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| 00:15.26 | TomTomTosch | oh, i goofed. pip search was for searching pypi. |
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| 00:26.23 | Zliba | hey i'm trying to play grand theft auto five in debian but i'm having trouble with the install process |
| 00:28.34 | TomTomTosch | Zliba: what have you tried so far and where's the trouble? |
| 00:28.56 | Zliba | TomTomTosch, i'm trolling poorly. i'll leave now. |
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| 00:33.02 | stoned | Debian has gone mental on the count of the youtube-dl! |
| 00:33.05 | stoned | http://i.imgur.com/j57GFP2.jpg |
| 00:33.10 | stoned | :) |
| 00:33.28 | stoned | Nice psychedelic pattern too. |
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| 00:34.16 | stoned | WARNING: Your copy of avconv is outdated and unable to properly mux separate video and audio files, youtube-dl will download single file media. Update avconv to version 1-0-0. I just noticed that too. Hmm. |
| 00:34.16 | TomTomTosch | clever... |
| 00:35.15 | stoned | Well, I had to grab mp3 from webm using ffmpeg |
| 00:35.30 | stoned | Now I have some mp4 (trying to dl youtube crap and move to my google play account) |
| 00:35.47 | stoned | Now to make the mp4 into mp3 so that my mp3 player can recognize. Don't ask. Prop crap. |
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| 00:54.00 | tortib | dondelelcaro, So I ordered a 802.11ac router, thing is costing me a fortune. |
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| 02:30.32 | tp43_ | my usb stick is showing as read only file system |
| 02:31.02 | aedinius | what filesystem? how did you mount it? |
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| 02:34.50 | tp43_ | aedinius, usually automounts, oooh, I need ntfs eh |
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| 02:36.02 | tp43_ | aedinius, thx |
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| 02:36.11 | rosgani | tp43 :) |
| 02:37.48 | TomTomTosch | tp43_: ntfs-3g is the one with rw. the normal ntfs driver is read only. |
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| 02:41.07 | KNERD | Advice: Since nVidia makes their drivers slow down your video card on Windows over time (they do need to sell you new product). Do they do the same for Linux drivers? I finally had to dump this circa 2009 Dell Laptop becuase the nVidia drivers were killing it. Now I got Debian 8 on it. |
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| 02:42.22 | TomTomTosch | well, just use the free drivers then... |
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| 02:43.51 | KNERD | Did not really answer the question...I would lose the acceration by not using the non-free nVidia drivers.. but thanks for responding |
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| 02:48.44 | KNERD | And the free driver seems to be acting a bit funny on it, similar to what some older nVidia drivers where doing...flickering screen...odd streaking patterns appearing when screen saver cuts on. |
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| 02:50.52 | tp43_ | TomTomTosch, thx |
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| 03:52.17 | latemus | hey! i had to apply an upstream patch to a package, jackd2. i did this with apt-source and debuild, and dpkg --install. now when i try to install another package which depends on my patched build, apt-get complains of unmet dep, which is the package i rebuilt! what do i do |
| 03:53.09 | latemus | i think apt-get doesnt have my custom, rebuilt version of jackd2 registered in it's database, because i used dpkg -install, am i right? |
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| 03:54.49 | latemus | how do i correctly install my patched .deb so that apt is aware of it?+ |
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| 04:00.52 | luxflow | how can I save to file `journalctl -u some service` I redirect to file but it is short log not full log |
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| 04:03.22 | luxflow | http://pastebin.com/X9uPtAHR here it is |
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| 04:04.00 | luxflow | oh sorry nerver mind it's forms is suck I will reupload it |
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| 04:11.38 | stoned | latemus: dpkg -i package.deb and apt will be aware of it. |
| 04:11.55 | stoned | latemus: you can then apt-get remove packagename (not packagefilename) to remove it. |
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| 04:14.15 | Zliba | ISSUE: kernel: [266676.738430] IPTTun1Drop IN= OUT=tun1 SRC=172.16.32.117 DST=141.255.161.22 LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=64489 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=60696 DPT=80 WINDOW=2680 RES=0x00 ACK URGP=0 |
| 04:15.02 | Zliba | why do some connections not have UID / GID attached? this is my torrent client, transmission, but i've had it happen with one other application as well in the past |
| 04:15.09 | Zliba | these are outgoing connections |
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| 04:15.37 | Zliba | kernel 3.16.7 -- this has been going on for MONTHS |
| 04:15.50 | Zliba | it's a serious problem because my iptables rules are by UID mostly |
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| 04:16.29 | rjsalts | because it's not associated with a local process? |
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| 04:18.44 | latemus | stoned: but when i dpkg -i package.deb, i cannot then 'apt-get install' other packages which depend on the package i patched |
| 04:19.17 | latemus | is there some option i need to pass to apt-get to allow depending on my patched version? |
| 04:19.20 | Zliba | it's outgoing... how could it not be associated with a local process? tun1 is my vpn and it is associated with a local process which is transmission-daemon, rjsalts |
| 04:19.35 | stoned | well, if the package depends on other packages, it will inform you, given that you just patched a package from the repo, given the rules and other deb information is the same |
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| 04:20.01 | stoned | When it says that you can't install this pckage from dpkg -i b/c of failed depends, then you can try apt-get -f install and it will try to fix it. Hopefully IIRC |
| 04:20.11 | stoned | latemus: ^ |
| 04:20.27 | rjsalts | Zliba: forwarding from another host? kernel related traffic |
| 04:20.34 | stoned | It should try to pull in the dependencies |
| 04:21.10 | rjsalts | Zliba: for instance if the process has been killed or what have you and the kernel sends RSTs, etc |
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| 04:24.05 | stoned | latemus: you can try dpkg -D 40 -i package.deb to see Dependencies and conflicts I think |
| 04:24.10 | latemus | stoned: nope, after running dpkg -i package.deb, if i run apt-get -f install, it just removes the package i installed with dpkg |
| 04:24.21 | Zliba | rjsalts, transmission-daemon is a torrent client... systemctl says it is "running" and the process is running..... it's on my local system, no schroot or anything |
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| 04:28.28 | latemus | stoned: i used -D 40, which showed a singel dep. i installed the dep, and i still have to --force-all to install teh rebuild |
| 04:28.31 | latemus | arg |
| 04:28.37 | stoned | latemus: in that case you'd have to use a package manager like gdebi-core |
| 04:28.51 | rjsalts | Zliba: Packets from kernel threads do have a socket, but usually no owner. I just used the process dying as an example of why a kernel process might be sending traffic |
| 04:29.06 | stoned | latemus: apt-get install gdebi-core and gdebi package.deb should pull in the depends |
| 04:29.15 | latemus | whoah |
| 04:29.44 | latemus | what if i just, download the deb that is depending on my patched deb, and install it with dpkg - |
| 04:29.47 | latemus | -i as well |
| 04:29.56 | Zliba | rjsalts, what should I do? i mean.... how can I arrange my iptables rules to allow packets from the kernel? a problem is that they don't use a standard port either because it's a torrent client |
| 04:29.57 | latemus | cause idk what gdebi is |
| 04:29.59 | stoned | yeah, that'll do it. |
| 04:30.05 | stoned | you can install multiple packages with dpkg |
| 04:30.10 | latemus | stoned: thanks bro |
| 04:30.18 | stoned | You do know that dpkg does not have any depend resolution |
| 04:30.29 | latemus | mhm |
| 04:31.16 | latemus | i'll just get a list of deps for my desired pkg using apt-get, then use apt-get to install each one, then download the desired pkg and dpkg -i it |
| 04:31.41 | latemus | stoned: you've been a great help, thanks bro |
| 04:31.49 | stoned | that might be going the long way round. |
| 04:31.54 | latemus | i'm pretty new to debian |
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| 04:32.12 | stoned | I'm pretty old. It's embarrassing that I don't remember as much as I shouldl |
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| 04:32.38 | stoned | https://mvogt.wordpress.com/2015/11/30/apt-1-1-released/ |
| 04:32.51 | stoned | apt install local-file.deb works <- |
| 04:33.41 | latemus | well, i suppose to avoid the long way, i could just apt-get -f install, which will purge my patched deb, then apt-get install my desired package, then dpkg -i my patched pkg upon which the desired one depends, |
| 04:33.57 | latemus | oh, apt instal local.deb, cool |
| 04:33.57 | stoned | Look at the 1.1v of apt |
| 04:34.36 | latemus | k i will, is 1.1 upstream of whats currently in use? fyi im running testing |
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| 04:35.18 | stoned | Check. |
| 04:35.29 | stoned | I'm on stable. |
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| 04:35.48 | latemus | kk cool, thanks man |
| 04:36.03 | stoned | stable has 1.0.9.8.3 |
| 04:36.25 | stoned | testing has 1.3 |
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| 04:36.31 | stoned | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=apt&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all |
| 04:36.40 | stoned | You're golden |
| 04:36.51 | latemus | dpk --list |grep apt shows testing is 1.3~pre2 |
| 04:36.52 | stoned | Try that and tell me how it works for .deb files |
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| 04:37.11 | latemus | Okay np cool man will do |
| 04:37.18 | stoned | latemus: also, apt-cache show apt |
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| 04:37.40 | latemus | nice, didnt know apt-cache had a show. but i use apt-cache search all the time |
| 04:38.15 | stoned | I read manpages when I am bored |
| 04:38.17 | brennen | i kind of use show constantly. |
| 04:38.26 | stoned | Sometimes. Other times I read other things. |
| 04:38.39 | brennen | but about every other time i forget it's a subcommand of apt-cache instead of apt-get |
| 04:38.49 | latemus | i'm really starting to dig debian, especially after spending a minute on freebsd, so i finally appreciate the release process (having initially come from a decade in slackware) |
| 04:39.28 | stoned | http://paste.debian.net/785701/ <- put this inside your ~/.bashrc |
| 04:39.36 | stoned | Modify it to suit your shell otherwise. |
| 04:39.45 | stoned | enjoy! |
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| 04:40.52 | brennen | i suppose this is probably the argument for the newer unified interface of apt. |
| 04:41.01 | stoned | http://sprunge.us/iLiT <- updapt script in case you want to use that. |
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| 04:41.56 | rjsalts | Zliba: http://serverfault.com/questions/523242/iptables-mysterious-drop-sport-80-ack-fin might be what you're seeing |
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| 04:42.30 | stoned | https://github.com/trapd00r/apt-cache-search-color <- 'acs' for my 'search' alias |
| 04:43.15 | stoned | http://i.imgur.com/1DgEyFd.png <- makes nice readable colored putout |
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| 04:43.50 | rjsalts | Zliba: where they're suggesting to increase the timeout in connection tracking table |
| 04:44.54 | Zliba | rjsalts, i'll look into this. much appreciated. |
| 04:45.14 | latemus | i'll check those out, thanks bro |
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| 05:02.32 | rjsalts | luxflow: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/parameter-substitution.html |
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| 07:01.42 | derito | Hey there. Any idea on why the snmptrapd service wouldn't be listening on any port although its status is "active" ? The conf file should be OK since using the snmptrapd command with the "-c /etc/snmp/snmptrapd.conf" argument works just fine. |
| 07:03.15 | unborn | derito: perhaps there something on that port already? |
| 07:03.34 | unborn | I mean thats what I would check it first |
| 07:03.54 | unborn | ah on any? |
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| 07:09.12 | derito | restarted it and it doesn't listen on this port even after |
| 07:09.50 | derito | the only other snmp process listening is snmpd on 161. Nothing listening for traps |
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| 07:17.08 | rubber | When ever I try to install the install drivers for my computer I get this error https://postimg.org/image/mp1niqxg7/ |
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| 07:23.28 | unborn | rubber: on that error its telling you what you should do |
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| 07:26.27 | rubber | Are you supposeto remove 3.16 headers if you installed linux kernel 4.6? |
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| 07:27.11 | unborn | derito: im not sure.. perhaps you have look at this? http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debain-ubuntu-install-net-snmpd-server/ |
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| 07:28.39 | derito | Thanks! I'll give it a shot |
| 07:29.15 | unborn | derito: also |
| 07:29.27 | yangsx | one of my partition is btrfs, sometimes it reports 100% usage even though more than 20% (> 20GB) is not used at all. Is this a problem with btrfs? |
| 07:29.35 | unborn | ports from 1 to 1023 can be opened only by root I think |
| 07:29.44 | unborn | so you should run it as root user |
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| 07:42.23 | derito | welp. Now I'm confused. The snmptrapd is active but no process in ps -aux corresponding. There's 2 snmptt process. Maybe one of them is actually running the snmptrapd service ? |
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| 07:52.03 | unborn | yeah could be it. can you kill it and re start it? |
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| 08:00.35 | derito | stopped snmp* services. Nothing related left on ps. Restarted all of them but still nothing listening on 162 |
| 08:01.18 | unborn | derito: do you run snmp as root ? |
| 08:01.42 | Fjorgynn | fish |
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| 08:02.36 | derito | I run it from the service command. But if I sudo the snmptrapd command it works yes |
| 08:03.10 | unborn | derito: thats what I said.. ports between 1 to 1023 can be opened only by root or superuser |
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| 08:04.49 | derito | What I don't understand is that shouldn't it have the rights if it starts as a service ? also the process name I see on ps when running the command just doesn't appear otherwise |
| 08:04.57 | mepooo | I have this in my corntap but it don't seem to be working any ideas ? 0 4 * * * service teamspeak restart > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 08:05.31 | unborn | derito: yes but those are system ports so if its not run as root it wont do run on that port |
| 08:06.29 | derito | If it isn't too much to ask. How would I run it as root from the service command ? |
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| 08:07.50 | unborn | mepooo: /full/path/to/script >/dev/null 2>&1? |
| 08:08.00 | ransur0t | +1 to full path |
| 08:08.20 | ransur0t | also, what about using sytemctl? |
| 08:08.51 | ransur0t | *systemctl |
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| 08:10.32 | unborn | mepooo: you can write that command to teamspeak-restart.sh and run it in cron as well |
| 08:10.38 | unborn | what ever is easier for you |
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| 08:11.50 | unborn | derito: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3063/how-do-i-run-a-command-as-the-system-administrator-root |
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| 08:12.17 | mepooo | thanks unborn! |
| 08:12.20 | mepooo | i'll try that |
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| 08:14.10 | mepooo | unborn: like this 0 4 * * * service /etc/init.d/teamspeak restart > /dev/null 2>&1 ? |
| 08:15.04 | Doo | systemctl restart teamspeak > /dev/null 2>&1 or service teamspeak restart > /dev/null 2>&1 or /etc/init.d/teamspeak restart > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 08:15.14 | unborn | mepooo: i dont use teamspeak but go ahead and test it.. I guess you need to run that under proper user too so execute that cron as some user |
| 08:15.17 | Doo | btw it's not a good practice to restart teamspeak every night :) |
| 08:16.02 | unborn | who can do restart that. i would go with doo's solution.. the last command i like it :) |
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| 08:16.37 | unborn | /etc/init.d/teamspeak restart > /dev/null 2>&1 |
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| 08:17.25 | mepooo | Doo: wow nice is that systemd :) ? |
| 08:17.26 | Doo | but again, restart a shit every night doesn't make it smell better |
| 08:17.52 | Doo | systemctl restart teamspeak is systemd, service is init from debian 7 (and de facto 8) and the last one is the old way |
| 08:17.53 | mepooo | it just seem to get unstable and then some people have mass drops |
| 08:18.03 | unborn | doo on 8 too |
| 08:18.06 | mepooo | restarting seem to fix it even tho it is a bit crazy |
| 08:18.12 | Doo | yeah but the truth is probably in the log files |
| 08:18.16 | Doo | and u probably need to tweak |
| 08:18.20 | Doo | or build the latest version |
| 08:18.21 | Doo | :) |
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| 08:18.54 | mepooo | but i don't think you can build teamspeak |
| 08:19.58 | unborn | mepooo: there should be some manual online how to do it.. perhpas i would suggest you to install debian onto virtualbox - same setup as you have on your srv and try it there.. |
| 08:20.00 | Doo | xD |
| 08:20.14 | Doo | okay if you think that it's probably better to restart it over night :) |
| 08:20.23 | unborn | :) |
| 08:21.12 | unborn | mepooo: but as doo said, if you think that way - keep simple solution of restarts in place |
| 08:21.26 | Doo | yeah |
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| 08:22.55 | mepooo | okay :) |
| 08:23.17 | mepooo | if i run "systemctl service teamspeak restart > /dev/null 2>&1" how often does it run ? Thanks so much for helping you two! |
| 08:23.30 | Doo | oh god |
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| 08:23.32 | Doo | do not do that |
| 08:23.41 | Doo | systemctl AND service are doing basicly the same thing |
| 08:23.43 | Doo | okay? |
| 08:23.53 | Doo | systemctl <=> service <=> /etc/init.d/ |
| 08:23.55 | unborn | /etc/init.d/teamspeak restart > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 08:24.05 | Doo | so mepooo if you do that, cron wont do nothing |
| 08:24.34 | mepooo | okay i'll do it like that :) so "systemctl /etc/init.d/teamspeak restart > /dev/null 2>&1" right ? |
| 08:24.35 | emankcin | yea, just use init scripts |
| 08:24.46 | Doo | mepooo, http://crontab-generator.org/ |
| 08:24.49 | Doo | use this |
| 08:25.04 | Doo | emankcin, we already ruled that we dont care about the entrypoint, the point is to do what he wants :D |
| 08:25.24 | emankcin | Sorry, just my preference |
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| 08:25.32 | unborn | mepooo: /etc/init.d/teamspeak restart > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 08:25.41 | Doo | emankcin, yeah mine too in most cases but it will be soon be obsolete |
| 08:25.51 | unborn | do it once in 24 hours or as much as you need it to |
| 08:26.22 | emankcin | mepooo, /etc/init.d/teamspeak is the 'command' |
| 08:26.28 | emankcin | no systemctl |
| 08:27.19 | Doo | coffee time, cheers |
| 08:27.36 | mepooo | i am a but confused if i need to use systemd or just the corntap :) |
| 08:27.42 | derito | Thanks for bearing with me. But I don't see how these would help. I have a way to execute snmptrapd through shell as root and all works fine. But I want to do it through service to leave a clean monitoring server after I go. Also the snmptrapd command won't even execute if not using sudo. So if service starts the snmptrapd it must have the right privileges already right ? |
| 08:28.05 | emankcin | corntap?? BAHAHAH |
| 08:28.17 | emankcin | I will forever use that name |
| 08:28.33 | mepooo | haha xD crontap |
| 08:28.33 | CuteMeOwnThroat | make sure to eat all the corn |
| 08:28.48 | emankcin | crontab |
| 08:29.12 | mepooo | so should i just put "0 3 * * * /etc/init.d/teamspeak restart > /dev/null 2>&1 " into the crontap ? |
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| 08:31.11 | unborn | derito: it should be always executed by root.. you can start it as root during a boot |
| 08:31.42 | ransur0t | crontab -e -u root |
| 08:31.46 | unborn | mepooo: yeah |
| 08:32.11 | emankcin | ransur0t, You mean corntap, naturally |
| 08:32.11 | CuteMeOwnThroat | derito, are you using the debian package of nsmptrapd? |
| 08:32.23 | ransur0t | hah ;) |
| 08:32.24 | derito | installed it through apt |
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| 08:32.57 | CuteMeOwnThroat | so it should be automatically started |
| 08:33.05 | mepooo | haha emankcin yes the corn |
| 08:33.39 | CuteMeOwnThroat | so I don't see what your problem is |
| 08:34.04 | mepooo | okay let me see if it works :) |
| 08:34.07 | emankcin | mepooo, That looks okay, yes. Give it a try. |
| 08:34.15 | mepooo | Thanks for the help every one ! |
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| 08:35.15 | derito | Yes that's why I at a total loss. The daemon shuold run just fine considering using the command with its conf file works |
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| 08:51.21 | dionysus69 | what temp do you guys have setup for redshift in its config file? |
| 08:52.13 | unborn | what is redshift? |
| 08:52.38 | unborn | aha |
| 08:52.48 | unborn | just default |
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| 08:54.21 | dionysus69 | haha ok :) |
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| 08:57.43 | babilen | dionysus69: I use -t 6000:4500 |
| 08:58.03 | dionysus69 | babilen: !!! i need your help ! service fails to start :( |
| 08:58.13 | babilen | I can't help you right now |
| 08:58.25 | babilen | sry |
| 08:58.25 | dionysus69 | haha ok ok I ll try tinker with it :) |
| 08:58.28 | dionysus69 | np |
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| 09:48.02 | hramrach | how do I rename files during installation step of binary package build? |
| 09:48.56 | babilen | hramrach: → #debian-mentors@irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) |
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| 09:52.37 | lucad111 | ssh storage01 |
| 09:52.56 | lucad111 | sorry |
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| 10:15.32 | Sullivain | Hi guys, I'm slowly getting there by using video-dummy. Do you know how to start it? I installed it and rebooted but when I start x11vnc it still doesn't see a x session |
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| 10:27.36 | hramrach | babilen: yes, they know that stuff there |
| 10:27.38 | hramrach | thanks |
| 10:28.12 | babilen | yw |
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| 10:32.22 | petn-randall | !tell mach_k_away -about away |
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| 10:45.11 | Specialist | hi! i'm somewhat stuck right now, maybe you have an idea. I have a file containg KEY=value env settings that i'd like to source from the shell before invoking another command in a single statement. I already tried `. /env.sh; env`, but that does not make the settings from env.sh visible to the following `env` invocation. any ideas? |
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| 10:47.49 | petn-randall | Specialist: You want 'source env.sh'. |
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| 10:48.19 | petn-randall | Specialist: If you run it, it will spawn a subshell, set the variables, and they are gone after the shell exits again. |
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| 10:48.45 | Specialist | petn-randall: hm, `source /env.sh; env` exhibits the same behavior |
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| 10:50.21 | babilen | Do you export them? |
| 10:50.34 | Specialist | babilen: nope. should I? |
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| 10:51.15 | babilen | You should be able to have access to those values in the script in which you source env.sh though. Try an "echo $SOME_SETTING_IN_ENV.SH" in the main script |
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| 10:51.21 | Kiril | hello all |
| 10:51.21 | babilen | Also #bash is a better place for this |
| 10:51.46 | Kiril | what's the right way to force some custom script in /etc/init.d/ to be executed on boot/reboot? |
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| 10:52.05 | Kiril | for debian 8.5* |
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| 10:53.15 | Specialist | babilen: will head over to #bash. thx for your help so far |
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| 10:55.08 | paul____3 | hi, any one any ideas on this error - http://paste.debian.net/785753/ - to do with vpn connection over wireless, this was working fine and then i restarted laptop and now i get this erorr all the time, if i change the username it rejects the connection so it's getting to the server but when the creds are correct it gives that error |
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| 10:56.12 | petn-randall | paul982: /usr/sbin/vpnc: configuration response rejected: (ISAKMP_N_ATTRIBUTES_NOT_SUPPORTED)(13) |
| 10:56.42 | petn-randall | paul982: ^^^ looks like either the server changed or you set something that isn't supported by the server. |
| 10:57.48 | paul982 | it was working |
| 10:57.51 | paul982 | all i done was rebooted |
| 11:00.32 | petn-randall | paul982: Did you update any software since the last time it worked? |
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| 11:11.08 | rafalcpp | hi, UTS namespace sets isolated "Hostname and NIS domain name". But what does the name "UTS" actually stand for? |
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| 11:13.37 | rafalcpp | ah ok googled it finally (no luck first few times) - http://windsock.io/uts-namespace/ - UTS is an abbreviation of UNIX Time Sharing, a term that dates back to the fledgling days of UNIX, when multi-user, multi-tasking operating systems were a novelty. |
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| 11:21.28 | AndreasLutro | does debian actually care about the ntp setting managed by `timedatectl set-ntp true/false`? |
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| 11:37.51 | dionysus69 | I removed windows partition totally but updating grub still sees a windows loader. what do I do, just go to efi partition and delete windows.efi file? |
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| 11:43.34 | AndreasLutro | found the answer to my own question - set-ntp true enables systemd-timesyncd which is a lightweight ntp client, doesn't have anything to do with the ntp package |
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| 12:25.54 | simbalion | Can anyone recommend a PDF viewer with digital signature capability? I was using Foxit in Windows but I assume that's non-free |
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| 12:28.59 | Iridos | xscreensaver seems to dim my display even while I'm typing |
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| 12:32.08 | ransur0t | simbalion: foxit is available for linux. not sure it includes the feature you need, but most likely yes |
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| 12:32.54 | ransur0t | https://www.foxitsoftware.com/products/pdf-reader/ - free download |
| 12:33.09 | arsi88 | ransur0t you can use okular instead |
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| 12:33.20 | ransur0t | yup, good choice |
| 12:33.35 | ransur0t | but if user knows foxit and prefers, it is available .... |
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| 12:34.05 | arsi88 | ransur0t yes thanks :) |
| 12:34.41 | simbalion | I'm not married to foxit, can okular do digital signatures? I'm a bit put off by all the kde stuff required |
| 12:35.34 | Iridos | what exactly do you mean with "do digital signatures"? |
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| 12:38.11 | ransur0t | simbalion: https://paste.debian.net/785766 |
| 12:38.16 | ransur0t | try it out |
| 12:39.12 | simbalion | I'll give it a try thanks |
| 12:39.31 | simbalion | Iridos: Foxit has a feature to save a signature and paste it onto PDFs, good for contracts in a paperless environment |
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| 12:40.57 | arsi88 | simbalion I didn't use foxit, Do you think it is more suitable than okular? + is there any feature in foxit to highligh texts? |
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| 12:47.20 | simbalion | arsi88: To be honest I'm not a power user of foxit, I only really use it to fill out contracts and I'm moving most of that to suitecrm and it's PDF generator capabilities. I'm only looking for a way to sign them, I might even do it in GIMP |
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| 12:53.27 | baraka | hi guys, anyone have chroot on their debian? |
| 12:55.01 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 12:55.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 12:55.09 | jelly | they left already |
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| 12:57.38 | Fjorgynn | ok |
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| 13:01.00 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hello great guys, i have a new trouble here, i installed tupi for 2d animation but it crashes on new project what is hapenning how i can solve this :) ? very thanks! |
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| 13:08.04 | Brigo | SOUL_OF_R00T, have you installe it from debian repos? are you using Jessie whitout other repositories? |
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| 13:08.33 | SOUL_OF_R00T | yes i have installed from official deb repository |
| 13:08.44 | SOUL_OF_R00T | is jessie |
| 13:08.47 | SOUL_OF_R00T | updated |
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| 13:10.20 | SOUL_OF_R00T | when i start a new project the program closes |
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| 13:12.11 | b3h3m0th | how do I solve missing libcrypto.so.10 ? |
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| 13:13.05 | themill | SOUL_OF_R00T: Do you use (or have you installed packages from) deb-multimedia.org? |
| 13:13.15 | yoshimitsu | hi, i was wondering, is debian a secure distro for a regular user? |
| 13:13.17 | SOUL_OF_R00T | no |
| 13:13.22 | yoshimitsu | more secure than say ubuntu |
| 13:13.22 | themill | b3h3m0th: what are you really trying to do? |
| 13:13.33 | b3h3m0th | I'm trying to run an ELF |
| 13:13.49 | b3h3m0th | loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:13.52 | SOUL_OF_R00T | my sources list is very simpĺe one repositorie for deb source |
| 13:14.06 | TomTomTosch | ,i libssl-dev |
| 13:14.08 | judd | Package libssl-dev (libdevel, optional) in jessie/amd64: Secure Sockets Layer toolkit - development files. Version: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u2; Size: 1252.1k; Installed: 6701k |
| 13:14.10 | yoshimitsu | so is debian a secure distro? more secure than others? |
| 13:14.26 | TomTomTosch | b3h3m0th: libssl-dev is probably missing. |
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| 13:14.47 | b3h3m0th | Installed: 1.0.2h-1 |
| 13:14.52 | b3h3m0th | libssl-dev ^ |
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| 13:15.18 | themill | b3h3m0th: there's no such library and I don't think there ever has been in Debian. (Certainly not in the last few years) |
| 13:15.36 | b3h3m0th | I have /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.0.2 |
| 13:15.45 | b3h3m0th | but don't have libcrypto.so.10 |
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| 13:20.59 | SOUL_OF_R00T | *** Fatal error: tupi is crashing with signal 8 :( |
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| 13:23.37 | allan_wind | I noticed /dev/log is not a symlink on one of my systems running systemd. Any idea on how to fix that? My googlefu has been weak, and the systemd.postinst stuff looks scary |
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| 13:25.48 | b3h3m0th | where can I download libcrypto.so.10 ? |
| 13:26.01 | b3h3m0th | preferably the compiled binary |
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| 13:26.26 | allan_wind | libcrypto.so.1.0.0? |
| 13:26.31 | MrOwl | libssl ? |
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| 13:26.44 | MrOwl | b3h3m0th: apt-get install libssl |
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| 13:27.05 | b3h3m0th | I want libcrypto.so.10 specifically |
| 13:27.15 | gattler | Hi all, is it possible to build a debian package of openssh-server that was built with debug symbols? (I'm on jessie) |
| 13:27.39 | b3h3m0th | I have |
| 13:27.41 | b3h3m0th | libssl-dev: |
| 13:27.41 | b3h3m0th | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.56 | b3h3m0th | I prefer downloadable binary over apt-get |
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| 13:28.07 | b3h3m0th | so that I don't have to downgrade for the whole system |
| 13:28.41 | b3h3m0th | I am thinking of downloading the libcrypto.so.10 and LD_PRELOAD ing with the application I am running |
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| 13:30.48 | respublica1 | Hi guys :) |
| 13:31.23 | allan_wind | b3h3m0th: what are you trying to do? Do you have a prebuiild binary that requires that library? .10 doesn't sound like the the same lib that is in libssl |
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| 13:31.39 | respublica1 | I totally new to linux and I want to use it without any hussle (read: having to learn console things and codes) |
| 13:32.11 | respublica1 | so how do I go to install google chrome without having to go in the terminal? |
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| 13:33.01 | allan_wind | respublica1: you follow the instructions that google provides you with |
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| 13:33.26 | respublica1 | it does not provide me with any instructions |
| 13:33.32 | respublica1 | just make me download a file |
| 13:34.02 | b3h3m0th | allan_wind: yes, pre-built binary |
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| 13:37.01 | respublica1 | so, no louck with my problem? |
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| 13:37.29 | allan_wind | respublica1: what is the path of the file you downloaded? I don't think there is a way to avoid going into the terminal and install the .deb you got. sudo dpkg -i FILE_YOU_DOWNLOADED |
| 13:38.07 | allan_wind | b3h3m0th: maybe the binary tells you about it's dependencies, as I said, it doesn't sound like the same library that is in debian. |
| 13:38.15 | respublica1 | well that'S a bummer then, no wonder debian is not easily accessible for everyday laymans |
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| 13:39.00 | allan_wind | respublica1: best of luck to ya |
| 13:39.02 | missmbob | respublica1: you can install gdebi. then go to menu->system->gdebi package installer |
| 13:39.18 | missmbob | then just point it to the deb. all gui for you people |
| 13:39.34 | OerHeks | wget https://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb |
| 13:39.37 | OerHeks | no 32 bit AFAIK |
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| 13:40.42 | respublica1 | @missmbob i'm using Gnome, where do i find this "menu, system, etc..." |
| 13:40.59 | b3h3m0th | allan_wind: yea, the binary does tell about the dep |
| 13:41.04 | b3h3m0th | that's how I figured I need libcrypto.so.10 |
| 13:41.34 | allan_wind | b3h3m0th: yeah, probably from ldd, or something, but I was referring to documentation (readme, web site or something) |
| 13:41.44 | b3h3m0th | dd ./opsh |grep 'not found' |
| 13:41.45 | b3h3m0th | libcrypto.so.10 => not found |
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| 13:41.48 | b3h3m0th | *ldd |
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| 13:44.07 | missmbob | respublica1: if you alt+f2 it gives you a "run application" thingy, right? (i haven't used gnome in a million years). type gdebi-gtk and click run. that'll open up gdebi. then file->open to select the deb. then click install |
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| 13:46.11 | allan_wind | b3h3m0th: hmm... so search gave me https://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=libcrypto.so.10 which tells me that this is openssl, you could probably install one of these with alien. No idea what that will do with respect to your existing openssl package |
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| 13:47.02 | b3h3m0th | allan_wind: I just now downloaded https://www.openssl.org/source/old/1.0.0/openssl-1.0.0.tar.gz |
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| 13:56.22 | respublica1 | I installed Gdebi from the Packge application |
| 13:56.28 | respublica1 | damn it's complicated |
| 13:56.51 | respublica1 | is opensuse less complicated? |
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| 13:56.58 | df21 | I'm having an issue with chromium and the chrome packages after upgrading, everything is stretched and out of focus such as text and images. This can be seen here: http://imgur.com/a/hJPN4 |
| 13:57.18 | df21 | Any idea whats causing this? all I did was upgrade chromium and now it and the official chrome packages are acting this way |
| 13:57.50 | df21 | I should say that pictures have lines drawen on them at various points to and also look out of focus |
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| 14:02.35 | allan_wind | df21: the image seems to look ok to me, maybe I am missing something |
| 14:03.03 | allan_wind | different size could be zoom factor? |
| 14:03.28 | df21 | allan_wind: zoom factor on what though |
| 14:03.54 | df21 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:03.54 | df21 | and I get a headache reading any of the text |
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| 14:05.44 | allan_wind | df21: image has two parts, left and right, so what is wrong specifically? I am guessing left is chrome and right in chromium? |
| 14:06.42 | df21 | the right is firefox |
| 14:06.55 | df21 | normally they look the same in terms of scaling |
| 14:08.13 | allan_wind | df21: cool, so ctrl 0 reset zoom factor so try that first on chromium (I assume it's the same as chrome) |
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| 14:10.55 | allan_wind | df21: look into hardware acceleration (ie probably disable it, maybe some default changed as part of the update, did you look at the changelog yet?) |
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| 14:12.23 | df21 | allan_wind: It's not a DOM scaling issue, it's something to do with how GTK is working, also disabling/enabling acceleration does nothing |
| 14:13.06 | df21 | Should also note that downgrading did nothing |
| 14:13.44 | df21 | All the updates were security related |
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| 14:14.09 | allan_wind | df21: check the upgrade logs, was something upgraded along with it? |
| 14:14.53 | allan_wind | (ie /var/log/apt/history.log) |
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| 14:15.18 | allan_wind | did you reboot? Is it only chromium that is fuzzy or everythign? |
| 14:15.43 | df21 | just chromium and it happened after I restarted the browser, also rebooting does nothing |
| 14:16.09 | allan_wind | Do you use chrome? Same problem with it? |
| 14:16.24 | df21 | yes |
| 14:16.50 | df21 | I had a weird issue with installing it where it wanted this |
| 14:16.51 | df21 | Commandline: apt-get -f install |
| 14:16.51 | df21 | Install: libappindicator1:amd64 (0.4.92-3.1, automatic), libindicator7:amd64 (0.5.0-2, automatic), libdbusmenu-gtk4:amd64 (12.10.2-1, automatic) |
| 14:17.04 | df21 | But that seemed to be required |
| 14:17.18 | df21 | That was when I installed it orignally |
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| 14:19.30 | allan_wind | df21: I would probably try to get back to original state one step at a time to see if you can find what is triggering the change |
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| 14:28.37 | df21 | allan_wind: rolling back seems to do nothing |
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| 14:29.56 | hrob_ | hi |
| 14:30.22 | allan_wind | df21: maybe try a new profile temporarily? |
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| 14:45.41 | df21 | allan_wind: no such luck |
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| 14:47.56 | allan_wind | df21: is there a #chromium channel? Maybe you have more luck with them |
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| 14:49.54 | sipos | Hi. I am trying to work out why a laptop with a new installation Debian of 8.5.0 on AMD64, with xfce, suspends when the lid is closed when nobody is logged in. When I am logged in, it follows the settings in xfce but, when I'm not, it doesn't. There is nothing in /etc/acpi/events except powerbtn-acpi-support which doesn't seem to be the culprit and, looking at logs, I can't see what is causing the suspend. I have |
| 14:49.54 | sipos | installed sysvinit-core, suspecting it was to do with systemd (which I have very little knowledge about) but, it still happens. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 15:08.58 | allan_wind | sipos: yes, it's a known issue... |
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| 15:09.47 | allan_wind | sipos: systemd config you have to change if I recall correctly |
| 15:11.54 | allan_wind | sipos: still here? |
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| 15:13.22 | allan_wind | sipos: Ensure that /etc/systemd/logind.conf has this line HandleLidSwitch=ignore" |
| 15:13.36 | allan_wind | (no end quote) |
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| 15:18.11 | respublica1 | using photoshop in linux |
| 15:18.22 | respublica1 | is it better to use a virtualbox or wine? |
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| 15:19.07 | allan_wind | respublica1: photoshop might be too complicated for you, try wordpad :-) |
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| 15:24.52 | KomputerKid | I'll just leave this here: https://twitter.com/MrKomputerKid/status/758682940377149440 |
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| 15:30.04 | sipos | allan_wind: thanks. Sorry for the long AFK. |
| 15:30.22 | Fjorgynn | nope |
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| 15:37.52 | jhutchins | respublica1: Check the winehq database to see if it's supported. |
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| 15:46.33 | xVim | Hi. Is there an easy solution to skip entering my password just upon login? I already have to enter a long PW for dm-crypt each time.. |
| 15:46.55 | xVim | But I still want to be prompted for my PW when using sudo |
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| 15:50.55 | emankcin | xVim, You really want to do that? |
| 15:51.16 | xVim | emankcin: Do you think that it is a bad option |
| 15:51.35 | xVim | Is a long boot password not safe enough? |
| 15:52.28 | emankcin | xVim, It has less to do with startup and more to do with being able to lock your workstation |
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| 15:53.01 | emankcin | xVim, Personally, I could probably get away with not having a password, but I still don't |
| 15:53.25 | emankcin | xVim, Rather, I do still have a password. |
| 15:54.04 | xVim | emankcin: Good point, I did not think about locking my PC. But I think I will sacrifice that option for a quicker login. How would I go about that? |
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| 15:55.00 | emankcin | I'm not sure if you can achieve the sudo aspect |
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| 15:55.25 | emankcin | But you can remove a user's password with 'passwd' |
| 15:55.36 | bagbobilgins | and use su |
| 15:55.56 | emankcin | true, just remove user from sudoers and use su each time |
| 15:56.01 | emankcin | good call bagbobilgins |
| 15:56.14 | xVim | Good idea. |
| 15:56.21 | bagbobilgins | emankcin: you put the trail of breadcrumbs in front of me |
| 15:56.34 | bagbobilgins | I was pondering about keyrings |
| 15:57.07 | emankcin | xVim, Don't forget to exit su, or at least remember. |
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| 15:57.12 | xVim | emankcin, bagbobilgins: Thanks |
| 15:57.25 | bagbobilgins | if you want to save passwords for webforms and such you will still have to negotiate keyrings |
| 15:57.28 | bagbobilgins | yw |
| 15:57.35 | emankcin | xVim, no worries |
| 15:57.58 | xVim | emankcin: My su prompt looks totally different than my user one, so I certainely won't forget :) |
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| 15:58.59 | emankcin | xVim, So does mine. Only takes one mistake though. |
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| 15:59.29 | xVim | bagbobilgins: I am not an expert on this, but how does my change affect the keyring? I think I have a different PW for that.. |
| 16:00.22 | bagbobilgins | yes you most likely will have |
| 16:00.59 | bagbobilgins | I'd misunderstood, I thought you wished to get rid of all user passwords except the disk encrytption and root |
| 16:01.58 | jhutchins | xVim: Most of the *dm greeters will do an auto-login of a specified user on boot. |
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| 16:02.21 | xVim | bagbobilgins: Ah ok. No, I want to keep all my data still protected by a password. I just don't want to enter two passwords (for disk encryption and normal linux login) at startup. |
| 16:02.33 | jhutchins | xVim: They will still prompt for a password if you log out, or if you lock the screen, and you will still be prompted for sudo. |
| 16:02.47 | bagbobilgins | xVim: usually when you log in to gnome-shell your login keyring is unlocked, however with autologin (gnome-shell-settings-users-autologin, for example) it can be that your keyring(s) generate another time-consuming password dialogue |
| 16:03.44 | xVim | jhutchins: That would be great if that would work. I could continue to use sudo. Let me see if I can figure this out. |
| 16:04.03 | xVim | (and continue to lock my screen) |
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| 16:04.29 | jhutchins | xVim: Depending on your DE it might be configurable through the Login Settings under the general configuration menu, or you might have to edit something like xdmrc. |
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| 16:05.36 | xVim | jhutchins: I found it already, thank you! I'll reboot and test. |
| 16:07.03 | bagbobilgins | no need to reboot, just restart k/g/x/dm |
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| 16:08.45 | emankcin | Is killx still a thing? |
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| 16:09.06 | xVim | jhutchins: Works like a charm :) As you said, locking screen and prompt for pw when using sudo works too. |
| 16:09.08 | xVim | Thanks all! |
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| 16:09.47 | bagbobilgins | you can ctrl-alt-backspace if you config it with sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration emankcin |
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| 16:19.42 | ecvk | Hello, i use debian stretch with XFCE4.12, i have a problem which i can not save certain applications in xfce-session |
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| 16:19.59 | ecvk | like, chromium, but firefox-esr does save |
| 16:20.25 | ecvk | i noticed that XFCE4-session does only save /usr/share/$APPS and not /usr/bin/$APPS, any help please? |
| 16:20.28 | bagbobilgins | ecvk: I have no real experience of XFCE, but perhaps these applications should have .desktop files? |
| 16:20.35 | ecvk | they do have |
| 16:20.37 | ecvk | i can confirm |
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| 16:20.46 | bagbobilgins | ok |
| 16:20.55 | donofrio | ecvk, #xfce? |
| 16:21.04 | bagbobilgins | seems reasonable |
| 16:21.22 | ecvk | ecvk@Ecvk-WS:/usr/share/applications$ ls | grep "chromium" => chromium.desktop |
| 16:21.33 | ecvk | ok donofrio, sorry for asking here! |
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| 16:22.43 | bagbobilgins | ecvk: sensible enough place to ask, sorry I couldn't help |
| 16:23.05 | donofrio | ecvk, ditto to what bagbobilgins said... ;) |
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| 16:51.14 | tripkin | Hello! I have an AMD FX-6100 6-core processor with 32GB ram and an AMD 7800 series video card (showing as Gallium 0.4 on AMD PITCAIRN in the gnome control panel). I am running Debian 8 with gnome 3.14.1. I am experiencing a lot of lag right now and I don't know why. It seems to happen over time, when freshly loaded it is quick. Is this a known problem or something I have done? |
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| 16:53.35 | tripkin | When I say 'a lot of lag' I mean that it can take up to 30 seconds to switch windows, keystrokes from the keyboard appearing in gnome windows, etc., and moving from one monitor to the second always freezes when the mouse hits the border. Once in a terminal session, everything screams, do delays or lag. |
| 16:53.45 | tripkin | Can anyone help answer this? |
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| 17:00.35 | awal1 | tripkin, do you use flgrx? |
| 17:01.19 | greycat | !fglrx |
| 17:01.20 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD Radeon R9 200 series, Radeon R7 200 series, Radeon HD 8000/7000/6000/5000 and FirePro graphic processing units. To install fglrx, see https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>. This driver is incompatible with the GNOME desktop of Debian 8 "Jessie" due to lack of EGL support (ref. §5.11 <jessie release notes>), use the <radeon> driver instead. |
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| 17:01.38 | greycat | Not necessarily saying that's the solution. Just that that's how it's spelled, and *might* be a thing you want to look into. |
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| 17:02.11 | tripkin | awal1, no I installed the open source drivers. |
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| 17:02.51 | tripkin | I am guessing that is the <radeon> drivers mentioned by dpkg |
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| 17:03.37 | tripkin | I followed the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 17:04.58 | greycat | greycat's rule of something or other -- if the lack of some esoteric feature in a video driver prevents you from *logging in*, you've got some seriously fucked up software |
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| 17:06.19 | awal1 | tripkin, I dont use gnome, I'm very clueless about your issue. if not propietary driver related (fglrx), it may be opengl stuff |
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| 17:06.49 | awal1 | try another DE, xfce, for example and see |
| 17:06.51 | tripkin | What would either of you recommend as a good desktop environment? |
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| 17:07.30 | tripkin | I like having multiple screens on the primary display and the second display being static. Do you know of any other de's that provide that? |
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| 17:07.42 | bagbobilgins | could this be a lack of firmware for the gfx card? |
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| 17:07.44 | awal1 | well, kde is a robut desktop environment, but it's heavy and big (lot of pkg's to install |
| 17:07.56 | awal1 | tripkin, my suggestion is xfce |
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| 17:08.01 | tripkin | Or how I could configure it in another de like xfce? |
| 17:08.04 | awal1 | thats what I use |
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| 17:08.11 | tripkin | awal1, I will install and try it, thanks. |
| 17:08.38 | awal1 | tripkin, or just install a window manage and check if you have same issue |
| 17:08.42 | bagbobilgins | I'm thinking specifically of this package, tripkin, firmware-amd-graphics |
| 17:08.49 | bagbobilgins | could you check it is installed? |
| 17:09.00 | tripkin | let me check... |
| 17:09.33 | tripkin | bagbobilgins, no, it is not installed. |
| 17:09.33 | awal1 | tripkin, fluxbox window manager . you can start with it. it's very easy to use |
| 17:09.46 | bagbobilgins | tripkin: you *definitely* want that |
| 17:09.50 | tripkin | awal1, thanks. I will give it a whirl. |
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| 17:10.06 | tripkin | bagbobilgins, I will install that as well. What does it do? |
| 17:10.30 | johnkeates | bagbobilgins, tell me, where is gandalf, for I much desire to speak with him |
| 17:10.36 | bagbobilgins | it should solve your lag issue, if it is similar to the performance issues I was having with an ati card |
| 17:10.50 | bagbobilgins | johnkeates: you mean greycat the wise? |
| 17:10.51 | awal1 | tripkin, if you feel more confortibale with fluxbox and minimilisme provided by window managers, you can then try other window managers , more powerfull/advanced... you have a lot of choice window manager |
| 17:11.08 | johnkeates | bagbobilgins, wise and grey indeed |
| 17:11.33 | tripkin | Yeah, the question is, what is gonna do it for me. I like the gnome interface and some of the addons... |
| 17:11.45 | johnkeates | also, where do the package maintainers usually hide? is there something like #debian-maintainers? |
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| 17:12.10 | bagbobilgins | I hear they are "often sought, seldom found" johnkeates |
| 17:12.15 | awal1 | tripkin, xfce supports very well multi monitors |
| 17:12.27 | johnkeates | ah, elusive still |
| 17:12.50 | tripkin | Sweet. |
| 17:12.51 | johnkeates | i'll whip out the 1980's NNTP client |
| 17:13.12 | tripkin | bagbobilgins, where do I get this firmware-and-graphics? |
| 17:13.38 | tripkin | awal1, I will definitely be giving it a try, thanks! |
| 17:13.40 | bagbobilgins | tripkin: aptitude search firmware-amd-graphics |
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| 17:14.01 | tripkin | bagbobilgins, it shows nothing on my system. No results, that is. |
| 17:14.01 | bagbobilgins | it may be that you have to enable non-free and contrib repos?@ |
| 17:14.24 | bagbobilgins | -@ |
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| 17:14.41 | tripkin | Already enabled. |
| 17:14.53 | bagbobilgins | sudo aptitude update |
| 17:15.16 | tripkin | doing that right now, but they have been enabled for a couple of months now. |
| 17:15.59 | awal1 | ,v firmware-amd-graphics |
| 17:16.00 | judd | Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 20160110-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20160110-1; stretch/non-free: 20160110-1 |
| 17:16.37 | tripkin | thanks judd |
| 17:16.47 | awal1 | trpkin, if you end installing xfce4, go for xfce4-goodies too |
| 17:17.32 | bagbobilgins | thanks awal1, didn't know it was backports |
| 17:17.36 | tripkin | Thanks awal1, I will |
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| 17:18.03 | tripkin | Ah, thanks awal1 for the backports link. Already enabled, still not found. Not my day |
| 17:18.51 | awal1 | jessie-backports with non-free components, tripkin |
| 17:19.13 | awal1 | you may try pasting your sources.list file |
| 17:21.21 | tripkin | I have this in sources.list.d/debian-backports.list: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 17:21.56 | tripkin | Should that go into the sources.list instead? I thought it was included when apt did it's stuff. |
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| 17:22.04 | awal1 | ftp.country code.debian... |
| 17:22.16 | tripkin | ok |
| 17:22.30 | awal1 | try ftp.us.debian... for now |
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| 17:22.55 | tripkin | lol, just did ca and ran updates... I can try us as well. |
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| 17:23.31 | respublica1 | guys i'm so lost how do I install a Icon Theme in Gnome??? |
| 17:23.43 | tripkin | Good news, ca grabbed an additional 2700 packages... |
| 17:24.27 | bagbobilgins | respublica1: tweak-tool, appearance, themes |
| 17:25.09 | respublica1 | yes there is no "install" or "add" button there |
| 17:25.15 | bagbobilgins | sorry, read "change" you want "install" something you got off gnome-look |
| 17:25.17 | respublica1 | just drop down menu opf existing themes |
| 17:25.17 | bagbobilgins | ? |
| 17:25.49 | respublica1 | I wanna install a new icon theme |
| 17:26.00 | tripkin | awal1, just not able to find firmware-and-graphics package, even at ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 17:26.22 | tripkin | Not in google searches either. |
| 17:26.30 | awal1 | tripkin, amd not and |
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| 17:27.02 | bagbobilgins | respublica1: copy it to /usr/share/icons, is all I can suggest |
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| 17:27.49 | respublica1 | debian says "you do not have permisson" |
| 17:27.53 | tripkin | awal1, LOL my blind eyes. Let's try that again... |
| 17:27.55 | bagbobilgins | that seems to be where all the ones in the drop down are |
| 17:28.04 | respublica1 | yes it is |
| 17:28.25 | bagbobilgins | respublica1: you could then try, ~/.local/share/icons |
| 17:28.34 | bagbobilgins | it could well pick them up there |
| 17:28.57 | tripkin | Yeah, firmware-amd-graphics worked much better! Just got them installed. |
| 17:29.28 | bagbobilgins | tripkin: not sure but you may want to restart gdm3 after installing them |
| 17:29.53 | tripkin | I am going to do that right now. Back in a bit... |
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| 17:30.51 | awal1 | i think a firmware needs a reboot, if not enabled during install |
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| 17:32.55 | bagbobilgins | that seems reasonable |
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| 17:35.52 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hello great guys i have 2 box with testing and it works tupi for 2d animation fine, but on jessie box the program cannot run, any advice? |
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| 17:37.00 | johnkeates | upg jessie to testing |
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| 17:37.06 | respublica1 | @bagbobilgins i can'T find the .local folder |
| 17:37.30 | bagbobilgins | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.48 | bagbobilgins | ~/.local/share/icons |
| 17:37.59 | bagbobilgins | synonymous ~/ is your home dir |
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| 17:38.57 | respublica1 | is this a hidden folder? |
| 17:39.01 | respublica1 | i dont see .local |
| 17:39.23 | bagbobilgins | yes |
| 17:39.30 | bagbobilgins | the . signifies that |
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| 17:40.00 | nohair | hello, how to add debian repository? |
| 17:40.25 | respublica1 | how can i see hidden folder then |
| 17:40.27 | johnkeates | add it to /etc/apt/sources.list or add it to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/<filename>.list |
| 17:40.32 | bagbobilgins | if nautilus, ctrl + h will show them, respublica1 |
| 17:40.37 | johnkeates | ls -la will in the cli |
| 17:40.41 | bagbobilgins | ctrl + h to hide them again |
| 17:41.01 | respublica1 | yes ctl+h works |
| 17:41.40 | bagbobilgins | sorry, respublica1, I wasn't being deliberately difficult, I just use the command line interface for that sort of thing... had to check how to do it in nautilus |
| 17:41.44 | tripkin | awal1, bagbobilgins, I have done a full system reboot, everything is normal so now it is a wait and see if that made a difference. |
| 17:42.00 | bagbobilgins | tripkin: could you play video before? |
| 17:42.25 | bagbobilgins | or was the only noticable performance the lag? |
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| 17:42.39 | bagbobilgins | performance problem* |
| 17:43.31 | nohair | but, ihave kali linux repository, is possible to conflict johnkeates ? |
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| 17:43.45 | johnkeates | yes, it's a conflict and you shouldn't do it |
| 17:43.50 | respublica1 | awwwwwwww yeah, it worked bag ! |
| 17:43.52 | respublica1 | :D |
| 17:43.52 | greycat | !kali |
| 17:43.52 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html |
| 17:44.06 | bagbobilgins | respublica1: not bad for guesswork, eh? |
| 17:44.10 | respublica1 | haha! |
| 17:44.34 | nohair | !haha |
| 17:44.34 | dpkg | laughs!! that's funny nohair! |
| 17:44.48 | tripkin | bagbobilgins, Yes, but when I lagged the gui by dragging something, or opening a window, then vlc video would freeze as well. Audio was fine. |
| 17:45.51 | tripkin | supporting Kali in here would just lead to supporting Ubuntu, etc. Bad karma, methinks... |
| 17:45.57 | bagbobilgins | tripkin: I have a much older ati card in this lappy and vlc couldn't play a lot of videos (under any circumstances) and had similar cumulative lag, so hopefully this will be a fix |
| 17:46.18 | johnkeates | !mandrake |
| 17:46.18 | dpkg | mandriva is, like, the new name (2005.04) of the merged Mandrake Linux and <Conectiva> Linux companies. http://www.mandriva.com/ #mandriva on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:46.20 | johnkeates | hue hue |
| 17:46.41 | tripkin | Hopefully. Still gonna try xfce and see if I like it. Gonna try that in a vm while this one stretches it's legs after the reboot. |
| 17:46.42 | johnkeates | somewhere i had a high hope it didn't exist anymore |
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| 17:47.20 | bagbobilgins | tripkin: you can install xfce alongside gnome, right? |
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| 17:47.53 | tripkin | Yes, but if I leave the gnome de, then it won't be trying to generate lag. ;) |
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| 17:48.00 | bagbobilgins | it's just another set of packages making up an environment, accessed from the login screen |
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| 17:48.27 | tripkin | Yes, I started with Mate, then switched to gnome, so I still have that option as well. |
| 17:48.52 | tripkin | Only it scrolls both monitors, and I like the second one being static. |
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| 17:48.57 | bagbobilgins | ahh, I see... you have a testing distro trying vm arrangement? |
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| 17:49.15 | tripkin | Absolutely! Doesn't everyone? <grin> |
| 17:49.32 | bagbobilgins | no, you totally had me foxed for a moment, there |
| 17:49.42 | tripkin | LOL |
| 17:49.46 | awal1 | xfce is fine bcoz it's very stable, conservative, very customizable, compatible with both qt >k stuff and much more :P |
| 17:50.15 | tripkin | Also a bit lighter in running requirements, right awal1 ? |
| 17:50.17 | bagbobilgins | I hear xfce knows no equal for handling multiple screens? |
| 17:50.38 | awal1 | tripkin, static? you mean you can switch virtual desktops in primary monitor and have only one virtual desktop in second monitor with gnome? |
| 17:51.32 | tripkin | Yes. Default setting. Don't know if I can change it switch both screens. I like having video on the second monitor while I am working and switching the primary. |
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| 17:51.51 | bagbobilgins | tripkin: gnome tweak-tool workspaces |
| 17:52.03 | bagbobilgins | workspaces only on primary display |
| 17:52.23 | tripkin | Or having some stuff that stays no matter which screen I am using on the primary. |
| 17:52.26 | awal1 | thats easy to achive under xfce, drag the window you want from primary monitor to second, and mark that window "visible in all desktops" and you are done |
| 17:52.32 | tripkin | bagbobilgins, thanks for the info. |
| 17:52.38 | bagbobilgins | ;) |
| 17:53.04 | tripkin | Ahhh. Thanks for that awal1 |
| 17:53.22 | awal1 | that way you can switch workspaces in primary monitor and have the window of X app in second monitor always visible |
| 17:53.34 | tripkin | Makes sense. |
| 17:53.57 | awal1 | you can do that for any desktop environment/window manager |
| 17:54.16 | tripkin | You know what, bagbobilgins, I knew that because I have looked there before. LOL |
| 17:54.50 | awal1 | if you wnt a window manager a bit more advanced, lightweight and with an extraordinary support for multi monitors, so I guess you want awesome |
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| 17:55.41 | awal1 | or xmonad, but it's a bit more "complicated" ... |
| 17:55.45 | tripkin | I have heard that. Also possibly i3. Gonna have to take a look. |
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| 17:56.52 | tripkin | So many options, so little time. lol |
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| 17:57.56 | awal1 | with other window manager the use of xrandr and it's gui frontends are necessary,, also for desktop environments, but with awesome not; simplifying, what awesome does is like it starts 2 sessions in each monitor |
| 17:58.32 | awal1 | 1 session for each monitor ^ |
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| 17:59.53 | tripkin | That is an interesting thing. I have long wanted something like that. |
| 18:00.09 | tripkin | You are a font of info, awal1 ! |
| 18:00.09 | awal1 | thats not the correct technical explanation but just for have an idea... taskbar is present in both monitors and you can switch workspace in each monitor, independently |
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| 18:00.30 | bagbobilgins | some people just use separate x sessions for each monitor |
| 18:00.38 | bagbobilgins | too leet for my blood, though |
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| 18:00.55 | awal1 | tripkin, not really, i'm just talking about what almost all people know... |
| 18:01.08 | tripkin | I persally enjoy plug and play with the option to customize. |
| 18:01.28 | tripkin | Well, in this case, not all, awal1. Thanks for sharing! |
| 18:01.52 | tripkin | Thanks for your help as well, bagbobilgins ! |
| 18:02.08 | bagbobilgins | more than welcome, in fact it has been a pleasure |
| 18:02.21 | awal1 | (Y) |
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| 18:06.52 | tripkin | As a side note, do either of you use vm's? And if so, where does your preference lie? I tried vmware, but it was bit of a resource pig, so I am now using virtualbox on my workstation. I also have kvm running on another server. I like both.. |
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| 18:09.56 | RoyK | tripkin: I use vmware for enterprise stuff and kvm for my personal things and perhaps virtualbox if I want to test something locally (on a mac) |
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| 18:10.16 | rsync | hi all |
| 18:10.25 | RoyK | \ |
| 18:10.44 | unborn | tripkin: virtualbox is great however does not have native 3d support which vmware does - vmware is resources eater so unless you not playing some hardcore games its waste of the money |
| 18:11.15 | `Kevin | tripkin: containers/docker/lxc but that techinically isn't your traditional `virtualmachine`... :) |
| 18:11.16 | tripkin | Thanks, RoyK and unborn. I will keep that in mind. |
| 18:12.08 | tripkin | No, but I do have an interest in docker containers. Will have to give that a look. |
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| 18:13.15 | unborn | tripkin: well docker.. there is something I love about it :) however as an old school fella - im kindly in love with normal and manual stuff ;) |
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| 18:13.43 | tripkin | lol |
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| 18:23.38 | bipul | How to install openas2 on debian? |
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| 18:32.28 | `Kevin | bipul: from 2 minutes of looking at what openas2 is, looks like you should just be able to run it as long as you have a proper java environment installed |
| 18:32.55 | bipul | kevin yes. |
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| 18:39.55 | Technicus | Hello, I have Debian in VirtualBox, and I'm trying to install guest additions. I'm following: < https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=15679 >. but linux-headers is not avliable . . . where do I find it? |
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| 18:44.16 | Amun_Ra | Technicus: apt-cache search linux-headers |
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| 18:44.56 | unborn | TechChristoph_: first of all - what error msg you got? |
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| 18:47.10 | Technicus | Amun_Ra: I had to do linux-headers-amd64 |
| 18:47.20 | Amun_Ra | Technicus: yes |
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| 18:50.07 | Tix | Could someone maybe point in the right direction? I noticed there are two strange processes: 1. usb-modeswitch_ - yes, with _, and it looks a bit suspicius. 2. The process "sh" is running all the time (which is supposed to be the shell). Any ideas maybe how I could find out more? |
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| 18:50.45 | nohair | !hacker |
| 18:50.45 | dpkg | methinks hacker is someone that hacks. See <hacking>, or an interesting essay can be found at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html . Someone who plays with stuff, and figures things out just to satisfy his own idle curiosity. |
| 18:51.05 | greycat | What script is the sh command using? |
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| 18:51.15 | nohair | the bots like profesor |
| 18:51.24 | Tix | greycat I'm not sure - how could I find it out? |
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| 18:52.05 | greycat | ps -fp the-process-id |
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| 18:54.23 | Tix | greycat "ps" gives me PID 4834 su |
| 18:54.40 | Tix | greycat If I check htop, it shows "root" and su |
| 18:54.47 | greycat | I thought you said it was sh. |
| 18:55.40 | Tix | greycat Indeed. The process is sh, in htop for command it shows "su" |
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| 18:55.53 | greycat | Then *where are you seeing sh*? |
| 18:56.28 | Tix | On the list of running processes - it's sh |
| 18:56.32 | greycat | WHAT LIST |
| 18:56.37 | peterrooney | Tix: try "ps -ef f | pager" - shows parent process relationships in graph form |
| 18:57.08 | Tix | greycat I have in conky a list of running processes - with xorg, firefox, etc. |
| 18:57.20 | greycat | I don't know what the hell a conky is |
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| 18:58.21 | Tix | peterrooney Great! This is the line: root 4834 4821 0 20:46 pts/0 S 0:00 \_ su |
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| 18:59.20 | Tix | greycat Well, conky is tool for the desktop, which you can configure to monitor certain things or show whatever you want from the wheather to moonphase etc. |
| 18:59.55 | greycat | I would trust ps over a GUI program. |
| 19:01.25 | unborn | someone should add to !hacker that it is person who innovate and not do damage ;) |
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| 19:02.09 | Tix | Anyhow, thank you for the hints, at least I have a direction now... that ps graph command is great. |
| 19:02.50 | peterrooney | Tix: more context is needed, as in line before and line after what you pasted. And, its referred to as "forest", not graph, in documents. |
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| 19:03.28 | Tix | peterrooney Yes, indeed, this is the line before: user 4821 4813 0 20:46 pts/0 Ss 0:00 \_ /bin/bash |
| 19:03.41 | Tix | root 4921 4834 0 20:46 pts/0 S 0:00 \_ bash |
| 19:03.46 | Tix | This is the one after. |
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| 19:05.22 | Tix | And it is before the /bin/bash line: user 4820 4813 0 20:46 ? S 0:00 \_ gnome-pty-helper |
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| 19:09.07 | Tix | No, I cannot explain to myself why it is running and what it is. I mean I see the other processes (Xorg, firefox, hexchat, kworker, etc.) - fine. This one? No idea... |
| 19:09.15 | greycat | Well, it just sounds to me like you have a terminal in which you ran "su" and got a shell, and it's still sitting there. |
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| 19:10.07 | Tix | greycat Yes, that's the point. This process is just there every time I start the machine - I have other machines with Debian, without an "sh" process |
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| 19:11.00 | greycat | You have gnome-pty-helper at boot. Yeah, sure. I'm so not skeptical. |
| 19:11.05 | Tix | greycat Btw at the moment I do not have terminal open (and wondering whether it should stop anyway if I close it) |
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| 19:12.47 | greycat | if you expect anyone to make sense of your process-forest pastebin the whole thing, instead of snipping out of context lines one at a time. |
| 19:12.50 | peterrooney | Tix: Looking at how things are lined up, the bash and the su are not related - did you exclude some lines for privacy issues? If not, a pastebin might help |
| 19:13.22 | peterrooney | Tix: SORRY, I mean the bash and the gnome-pty-helper are not related |
| 19:13.29 | Tix | peterrooney No, those four lines are one after the other |
| 19:13.36 | peterrooney | I count three. |
| 19:14.07 | peterrooney | Oh, OK, found it |
| 19:14.11 | Tix | Well, the actual line, the one before, the one after and the last one was before the first one |
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| 19:14.50 | Tix | peterrooney I was thinking about trying to remove gnome-pty-helper (just found a hint on a website) - not a good idea? |
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| 19:15.54 | peterrooney | Tix, OK, now having assembled it in the correct order... there's a bash shell whose parent is PID 4813, in which someone has su'd to a root shell. |
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| 19:16.33 | peterrooney | Tix: what I find suspicious is the absense of PID 4813 |
| 19:17.12 | greycat | I think he simply didn't snip enough lines for us to get the whole picture. |
| 19:17.18 | Tix | peterrooney I'm going to pastebin it. Which site should I use? |
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| 19:17.27 | greycat | 4813 is the parent of gnome-pty-helper |
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| 19:18.21 | peterrooney | greycat: in which case, 4821/4834/4921 should be MUCH further left |
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| 19:19.25 | peterrooney | Tix: paste.debian.net |
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| 19:19.43 | Tix | peterrooney Thanks, found it: https://paste.debian.net/785837/ |
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| 19:20.17 | greycat | It's the terminal IN WHICH YOU RAN the ps command. |
| 19:20.28 | greycat | That's why ps -ef f is a grandchild of su |
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| 19:21.08 | greycat | Why do the PIDs in the paste site not match the PIDs you gave us in chat? |
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| 19:21.56 | Tix | greycat Because I closed the first terminal to see whether the sh process is still there (yes), and opened the terminal again and used the command above |
| 19:22.08 | FaTony | can I associate a console app with a file type and have console window open when I double-click on it? |
| 19:22.10 | Tix | Indeed, it's different pid now |
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| 19:23.09 | greycat | Tix: so when you say "the sh process" you mean "conky reports as sh, ps reports as su, process 19018"? |
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| 19:24.00 | Tix | greycat Yes, in conky it is "sh", in ps su - as you can see on the pastebin site. |
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| 19:24.22 | greycat | You are running su in an interactive shell. In a terminal. |
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| 19:25.56 | greycat | It is terminal /dev/pts/0 and it is a python program (!) which is PROBABLY symlnked from /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator and it is running /bin/bash probably because that's your $SHELL variable and inside /bin/bash you are running su. |
| 19:25.57 | Tix | greycat Hmm... I closed the terminal again, now it is 23202. What I do not get: If I close the terminal, why doesn't it stop? |
| 19:26.37 | Tix | greycat Btw I have terminator |
| 19:26.39 | greycat | If you are NOT TYPING su AND PRESSING ENTER WITH YOUR FINGERS each time then maybe you have placed an su command inside your .bashrc or something. |
| 19:27.02 | greycat | Or maybe this python program which is your terminal (terminator? is that python?) is doing weird things. |
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| 19:27.56 | mdim | Hi folks! |
| 19:28.26 | mdim | I want to find all Debian binary packages that are libraries and that have a tag "implemented-in::java" |
| 19:28.32 | mdim | How do I do that? |
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| 19:29.45 | Tix | greycat Well, thank you for the clarification. I'm sorry but I think I made a misunderstanding: I used the command as root. Not being root, the "su" line is not there - however the "sh" process is still running |
| 19:30.14 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 19:30.15 | Tix | In conky. |
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| 19:30.51 | unborn | greycat: last 3 days I owned same.. - I fell you :) |
| 19:32.01 | Tix | If I use "ps" as user, there is no "su" line, only bash and ps. |
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| 19:32.26 | greycat | "I have a mysterious process that I don't understand but instead of digging up information about it and conveying that information in IRC I'm going to paste random shit and then keep opening and closing terminals and typing su and not telling anybody that's what I'm doing..." |
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| 19:32.52 | unborn | Tix: first of all - I did not found description of your problem you have - anything practicably? second - for command please use PASTEBIN - we all thank you for that. |
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| 19:33.52 | greycat | He did put up something on paste.debian.net but it was incomplete and did not match what he had previously cherry-picked into the channel and NONE OF IT NOT ONE SINGLE LINE ANYWHERE EVER had his mysterious truncated usb-foobar_ process. |
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| 19:34.15 | greycat | So he wasted 30 minutes sidetracking into su = sh = nothing of importance until I gave up. |
| 19:34.28 | Tix | greycat Sorry, as I described: That "sh" process is running and cannot explain it what it is. |
| 19:34.40 | teraflops | hehe |
| 19:35.10 | unborn | greycat: how about invitation for cigy - 5 minutes (if you dont fucking smoke then have tea or something) - you have a choice my dear friend we all do.. just read it between lines.. |
| 19:35.11 | Tix | unborn I see, thank you. As for practicability: It is on the process list, but did not find anything otherwise |
| 19:35.55 | Bennux | Hi!, I have the (sd-pam) proccess... is normal? |
| 19:36.03 | unborn | Tix: good - I have no idea what is on your list - so - would you mind to describe me your issue? I just join the chat |
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| 19:37.04 | Tix | unborn I have a process monitor in conky, which shows the running processes (at least the first ten which consume ressources) - there is a process called "sh" |
| 19:37.19 | unborn | and? |
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| 19:37.37 | Tix | unborn I asked about direction how to find it out what it is and what it is doing |
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| 19:38.07 | unborn | Tix i see.. did you wrote that script yourself or it was someone else? |
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| 19:38.42 | unborn | Tix: ?? |
| 19:38.48 | Tix | unborn Well, I did not even know that it is a script |
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| 19:39.40 | Tix | If it is a script, I'm wondering how to find out where it is coming from. |
| 19:39.48 | unborn | Tix: oh I see.. so well said - ask the question to that person you getting the script from.. it would be most and greatest answer to you issue |
| 19:40.43 | unborn | Tix: trust me - you want to ask the person who created that script and you downloaded that script from |
| 19:40.47 | Khudher | Hello, any xfce experienced people here? :) |
| 19:40.53 | Khudher | xfce-fans? |
| 19:41.10 | unborn | Khudher: we are all debian.. whats your issue.. just shoot it out |
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| 19:42.00 | Khudher | XFCE4-Session cannot save chromium, it can save firefox-esr which is installed /usr/share/firefox-esr |
| 19:42.24 | Khudher | i think it cannot load /usr/share/applications or /usr/bin |
| 19:42.45 | vook | Tix: sounds like a failure to communicate. You need more info than just the output of your widget. Who owns the process ? your user, root? What does 'ps ax' say about it? What happens if you kill it? What functionality is lost? Probably some script was spawned that uses #!/bin/sh up top. |
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| 19:43.00 | Tix | unborn Well, I hope I can ask the creator of the scripts one day, which means I had at least found out what it is... |
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| 19:43.15 | respublica1 | guys what do i do when the terminal says that my command can only be used by root? |
| 19:43.24 | greycat | vook: we tried. We really did. |
| 19:43.32 | unborn | could be that - i do use chrome (yeah my bad for it) - mean I do not use chromium. sorry but I am unable to help with.. I am hoping someone here will actually help you with this. |
| 19:43.46 | unborn | Khudher: ^^^ |
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| 19:43.51 | greycat | respublica1: use 'su' or 'sudo' to temporarily obtain root (superuser) privileges |
| 19:43.51 | Tix | vook Thank you for the hints. That's a good idea, if I kill it, let's check what changes. |
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| 19:44.05 | unborn | respublica1: ssh root@server |
| 19:44.11 | unborn | and issue the command |
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| 19:44.25 | respublica1 | it owrked Thankls greycat |
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| 19:45.37 | sithlord666 | hi 0/ |
| 19:45.48 | sithlord666 | i have a question |
| 19:45.55 | Tix | vook ps ax shows processes with pid up to 31998 - that sh process has 32512 at the moment. It's not on the list. |
| 19:45.58 | angor | don't asl to ask |
| 19:46.29 | Tix | vook "killall sh" gives "sh: no process found" |
| 19:46.30 | respublica1 | who here tried retroshare? |
| 19:46.46 | sithlord666 | how would i upgrade from stable to testing? |
| 19:46.52 | angor | Tix: sudo ps -aux |
| 19:46.59 | greycat | sithlord666: /msg dpkg jessie->stretch |
| 19:47.12 | vook | Tix: you'd want to kill the pid, not killall 'kill 32512' |
| 19:47.26 | vook | or 'kill -9 32512' if that doesn't work |
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| 19:48.13 | angor | do not that |
| 19:48.20 | angor | do not DO that |
| 19:48.28 | vook | spare me angor |
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| 19:48.31 | vook | its a window manager |
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| 19:48.58 | greycat | The blind leading the stupid. |
| 19:49.31 | angor | vook: windows manager tries to "ps" ? |
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| 19:49.49 | vook | angor: what ? clarify |
| 19:49.49 | respublica1 | greycat are you a kind of debian god ? |
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| 19:50.10 | jelly | he's just a cat. |
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| 19:50.16 | vook | angor: the window manager has a process widget, read up |
| 19:50.18 | Tix | angor Tried it, an "sh" process is not on the list. |
| 19:50.18 | respublica1 | ok so yes |
| 19:50.21 | jelly | nine lives and all. |
| 19:50.21 | respublica1 | :) |
| 19:50.24 | greycat | Ghostbusters informs me that I should answer "yes" to this question. |
| 19:50.35 | respublica1 | hahaha |
| 19:50.42 | Tix | vook I can see the PID on the conky list, but it changes every second |
| 19:50.42 | respublica1 | not the new one I hope |
| 19:50.45 | julius_ | he is indeed, if debian had sex and would be female.....greacat would be one of the kids and jelly probably too ;) |
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| 19:51.09 | angor | f*ck the windows, why on that channel?? |
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| 19:51.24 | julius_ | greycat, thats in the first ghostbuster not in the 2016 one, right? |
| 19:51.28 | greycat | correct |
| 19:51.42 | respublica1 | perfect |
| 19:51.47 | julius_ | you had me worried there for a second...the 2016 eats ass |
| 19:51.53 | greycat | Haven't seen it. |
| 19:51.57 | respublica1 | omg it'S the worst shit |
| 19:52.03 | jelly | nostalgia isn't what it used to be |
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| 19:55.04 | sithlord666 | not working greycat :( |
| 19:55.15 | respublica1 | oh snap |
| 19:55.30 | sithlord666 | :( |
| 19:55.53 | greycat | If you can't get it to work from /msg dpkg jessie->stretch then join the OFTC network and then join the #debian-next channel |
| 19:55.57 | respublica1 | that's avery pretty username btw |
| 19:56.14 | julius_ | thanks |
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| 19:58.03 | respublica1 | julius jumping at the compliment huh ;) |
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| 19:59.20 | jhutchins | Can I use rsync to keep three nodes files synced, when a change can be made on any node? If one node goes down, the other two still have to stay in sync. |
| 19:59.29 | jhutchins | The logic is escaping me. |
| 19:59.43 | vook | unison will work better |
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| 20:01.23 | sithlord666 | wouldnt i be able to just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace the stable with stretch,then do a update and upgrade? |
| 20:01.37 | greycat | How does this differ from the bot's instructions? |
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| 20:03.12 | Tix | vook Just to clarify what I meant: https://i.imgsafe.org/a63ed18a7d.png Somehow I do not see something like that in htop or ps -aux. |
| 20:04.12 | a1 | Any hint in how to perm block dedic782.hidehost.net ...looks like changes ips in every attack |
| 20:04.32 | a1 | or the whole hidehost.net domain |
| 20:04.32 | vook | Tix: well you can see that the PID is being shared by several processes. |
| 20:04.38 | unborn | a1: fail2ban? |
| 20:05.24 | Tix | vook Indeed, if I look at it, sometimes it has the same PID, but it changes immediately |
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| 20:05.29 | a1 | unborn, i already have it, but idk how o used |
| 20:05.42 | a1 | to* used |
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| 20:06.13 | Tix | vook Sometimes the sh PID is different |
| 20:06.23 | a1 | unborn, this guy/bot is trying to get into my SASL LOGIN |
| 20:06.30 | unborn | a1: well.. its logic - if you do not understand it I would say google it - its not debian specified issue |
| 20:06.41 | vook | Tix: who knows, it could be directly related to this widget, running ps every few seconds. |
| 20:07.00 | unborn | just enable sasl logon fail2ban a1 and change time to day or year or whatever suits your best needs... keep it in place |
| 20:07.16 | unborn | I would suggest you to do at least 24 hours ban |
| 20:07.37 | unborn | anything less than that have no 'validity' |
| 20:07.56 | Tix | vook Do you mean related to conky? Yes, was thinking about it too, but on a different machine with debian and conky I do not see that sh process. This is how I landed here to ask. |
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| 20:08.39 | vook | Tix: I think #conky would be a more suitable place for this question. |
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| 20:09.11 | Tix | vook Ok, thx, will try there too. |
| 20:09.31 | Khudher | any help please? |
| 20:09.54 | unborn | agree with vook - i told him this ages ago.. |
| 20:10.26 | unborn | Khudher: with what? |
| 20:10.50 | unborn | ah we already did reply to this Khudher |
| 20:11.15 | Khudher | XFCE4-Session cannot save chromium, it can save firefox-esr which is installed /usr/share/firefox-esr |
| 20:11.15 | Khudher | oh sorry |
| 20:11.17 | Khudher | i did not see :( |
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| 20:11.35 | unborn | chromium and ff is like apple and potato |
| 20:12.20 | unborn | Khudher: ^^ |
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| 20:12.55 | vook | jhutchins: to follow up, you can set up unison to have a three way mirror, A syncs to B syncs to C syncs to A (two way sync). It can all be set up in cron. |
| 20:14.30 | Khudher | http://pastebin.com/0SPMFD7B |
| 20:14.39 | Khudher | here is my ps ax output |
| 20:15.32 | unborn | - i did said that loudly apples and potatoes.... |
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| 20:16.07 | julius_ | respublica1, sure ;) |
| 20:16.10 | Khudher | well, chromium has many processes |
| 20:16.34 | Khudher | but hexchat has only 1 process |
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| 20:16.43 | Khudher | and not listed, we can investigate on this one :) |
| 20:17.02 | unborn | Khudher: yes.. apple vs potatoes - hexchat is something else - no one is interesting to investigate that one.. yet.. |
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| 20:17.30 | unborn | - f..k really people? |
| 20:17.31 | julius_ | Khudher, hexchat lists as hexchat on a normal not infected system |
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| 20:17.58 | Khudher | julius_, ?? |
| 20:18.11 | julius_ | just saying |
| 20:18.12 | unborn | agree with julius_ |
| 20:18.42 | Khudher | julius_, does hexchat appears in your XFCE4 session? |
| 20:18.53 | julius_ | i do not use xfce4 |
| 20:18.55 | unborn | Khudher: how about asking hexchat devs? |
| 20:19.16 | unborn | *that |
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| 20:19.34 | unborn | !hexchat |
| 20:19.35 | dpkg | HexChat (formerly XChat-WDK) is a fork of the <XChat> IRC client. http://hexchat.org/ #hexchat on chat.freenode.net. |
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| 20:19.59 | Khudher | unborn, i would have to ask 8/10 of my app devs, i dont think that there is an error with the app, as there are a lot of apps that XFCE4 session doesnt save and chromium/hexchat is just a few of them |
| 20:20.02 | unborn | !hexchat-debian-repos |
| 20:20.12 | julius_ | Khudher, here it appears as its own process under gnome....no parent |
| 20:20.26 | unborn | Khudher: is hexchat in debian repos? |
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| 20:20.33 | julius_ | yes |
| 20:20.34 | greycat | ,v hexchat |
| 20:20.35 | judd | Package: hexchat on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2.10.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.10.1-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2.12.0-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.12.0-2; sid: 2.12.0-2 |
| 20:20.37 | Khudher | yes |
| 20:20.46 | Khudher | i have installed on stretch |
| 20:20.53 | Khudher | do you think that my hexchat is broken? |
| 20:21.00 | Khudher | can you explain please? :) |
| 20:21.01 | unborn | okay - still ask them.. they will be more helpful - i run irssi or xchat |
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| 20:21.35 | Khudher | julius_, -> Khudher, here it appears as its own process under gnome....no parent/// didnt understand this part |
| 20:21.44 | unborn | oh stretch.. - bless you Khudher would you mind to talk people in another channel related to stretch? |
| 20:22.11 | Khudher | i had the same problem on jessie |
| 20:22.21 | Khudher | i will join debian next :) |
| 20:22.39 | Khudher | sorry for bothering you, but this problem is really driving me sick :( |
| 20:23.10 | Khudher | how can i get an invitation to #debian-next ? |
| 20:23.13 | a1 | unborn, that works, thanks |
| 20:23.26 | greycat | dpkg debian-next |
| 20:23.26 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:23.59 | Khudher | greycat, Thank you! |
| 20:24.01 | zmic | is https://packages.debian.org/testing/allpackages supposed to be a DOS attack on Firefox? :P |
| 20:24.30 | greycat | No, you're supposed to right-click it, and paste it into a wget command or whatever. |
| 20:25.01 | greycat | This by the way is why sourceforge needs to die in a fire. |
| 20:25.06 | unborn | a1: see it your self.. give it time for at least 24 hours.. anything banned less then 24 hours is not considered as ban ;) |
| 20:25.06 | zmic | hmm fair enough |
| 20:25.15 | unborn | glad to hear that a1 |
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| 20:30.03 | a1 | unborn, so far no more mail.warns, looking good |
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| 20:30.59 | vook | just be sure you don't ban yourself when you are remote. |
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| 20:33.05 | unborn | vook in those bans - 3 to 6 times if entered in wrong end - as sysadmin he should be banned if he does not know what he is doing ;) I think he will be just fine. |
| 20:33.55 | unborn | a1: if that is srv it would be worth to check postfix outgoing queue |
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| 20:34.19 | unborn | if there is not anything you've send out or anything your clients did not send out - remove it |
| 20:36.20 | a1 | vook, unborn i have no problem recovering from unbaning myself, no worries xD |
| 20:36.51 | `Kevin | a1: if it is always from hidehost you should contact hidehost abuse with logs |
| 20:36.56 | `Kevin | as well* |
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| 20:37.29 | a1 | keekz, i check hidehost.net but that site is russian, i thing in a proxy service |
| 20:37.51 | a1 | <`Kevin>* |
| 20:37.52 | `Kevin | contact them via the whois data if you cant find anything |
| 20:38.08 | a1 | i will do that, thanks |
| 20:38.09 | `Kevin | they should have some form of TOS/AUP which prevents abuse of services |
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| 20:41.31 | unborn | a1: but still keep hold on fail2ban.. |
| 20:42.20 | unborn | a1: usually when you have issue like this you do whois and if there is contact like abuse@... you can try to email to them - 90% of those emails will never return - my personal experience |
| 20:43.25 | unborn | a1: you know if attacker will change ip earlier or later you will block it anyway - and after 24 hours if he does it again he will get ban again.. etc like circle. |
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| 20:46.32 | a1 | unborn, thanks for the advice, i will start at 43200 (12hrs) ban for now, and see what happends |
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| 20:47.09 | `Kevin | unborn: indeed thou in that case he should followup with the owner of the IP |
| 20:47.30 | unborn | a1: sure.. it should work for you.. just deploy ban for sasl, dovecot and postfix (ssh of course) |
| 20:47.48 | vook | a1: you can also pull known problematic country blocks from ipdeny.com and throw them into an ipset and ban the. Help quite a bit. |
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| 20:47.57 | unborn | a1: you should be fine without need to contact anyone.. in 2 oe 3 days attacks should come down. |
| 20:48.24 | `Kevin | ^ i would only contact/report if it is the same IPs/person |
| 20:48.32 | unborn | kevin - ip can be spoofed easy peasy.. so no follow from my side. |
| 20:48.38 | `Kevin | yep |
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| 20:49.40 | `Kevin | thou that depends on what level of communication we are getting into |
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| 20:50.09 | `Kevin | udp vs tcp vs actual layer 7 data back and forth |
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| 20:50.30 | unborn | vook: to be honest he can do that - but that would be overkill.. for start let him block from time to time spoofed ips and real attackers without any complications ;) |
| 20:51.48 | vook | unborn: yeah, at the same time, I feel ok banning blocks from the ISIS controlled regions of Iraq & Syria for example. |
| 20:52.25 | unborn | vook: ah okay - im not in picture with those :) sorry |
| 20:52.29 | unborn | but you are right |
| 20:52.55 | vook | We've gotten scanned from those pretty hard lately |
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| 20:55.04 | `Kevin | a1: you may want to look into spamhaus's CBL, i see that they have previously listed hidehost IPs |
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| 20:55.09 | unborn | vook: I will have look on my logs tomorrow - as I am pretty tired now, you've been here in morning with our teamspeak resolve issue fopa so you can guess ;) |
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| 20:55.38 | unborn | Received a CTCP VERSION from fnodeuser <<< you wont found anything mate :D |
| 20:55.45 | `Kevin | that is pending how paranoid you are :) |
| 20:56.16 | unborn | im not paranoid kevin.. i do blog about ict that is all.. |
| 20:56.59 | unborn | you know fuck all about what I do share there :).. anyway ALL - good night :) |
| 20:57.03 | `Kevin | ha |
| 20:57.07 | unborn | me |
| 20:57.12 | unborn | exit |
| 20:57.14 | unborn | meh |
| 20:57.20 | `Kevin | :) |
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| 21:01.30 | awal1 | why apt-get doesn't prompt for y/n when installing a single pkgs which doesn't requires X dependency/recommends? |
| 21:01.40 | SAJ02 | kali or backbox |
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| 21:03.02 | zykotick9 | awal1: if there is only one package involved, and you've just asked it to install it - why does it need to prompt you? |
| 21:03.51 | awal1 | zykotick9, single pkg I understand yeah, what you said is what I tought but i just installed sawfish and its deps, but after that i installed 3 sawfish pkgs ( sawfish-lisp-source sawfish-merlin-ugliness sawfish-themes) and no prompt y/n :( |
| 21:05.05 | awal1 | supposing that sawfish -themes is 500 mb size, the user may not want it :P |
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| 21:06.10 | zykotick9 | awal1: the "user just asked for it" so apt assumes the user knows what they want... guess you want something that holds hands beyond that?!?! |
| 21:06.22 | rsync | i want just to take the time and thank very much to all the people making debian possible and maintaining it. Thank you! |
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| 21:07.26 | `Kevin | awal1: x2 @ zykotick9 , if you prefer to get a listing first use -s; --dry-run |
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| 21:08.45 | `Kevin | awal1: you can try, aptitude -P |
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| 21:10.13 | awal1 | Kevin, zykotick9, I guess apt-get only prompts if the pkg that the user wants to install doesn't require extra deps/recommends. if after installing foo the user wants to install foo1, as an extra pkg for foo and part of it, apt doesn't prompt |
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| 21:11.00 | awal1 | well I know what I do and how to do things, I'm just trying to understand apt-get a bit more :P |
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| 21:14.40 | awal1 | zykotick9, also if the user executes apt-get install gnome kde-full xfce4 openbox apparmor.... (with a tone of extra deps/recommends) apt-get shouldn't prompt for yes/no at all following your thinking "apt assumes the user knows what they want"....:P |
| 21:15.17 | awal1 | so if the user ...^ |
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| 21:21.50 | awal1 | If talking is silver, silence is gold... |
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| 21:40.42 | otyugh_II | heya |
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| 21:43.16 | otyugh_II | seem that I failed installing grub on a USB device : it does not boot if put on the boot sector (/dev/sdb actually, "/" was on /dev/sdb1 ; is there a easy way to just redo the reinstall grub part ?) |
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| 21:44.08 | vook | otyugh_II: grub-install |
| 21:44.23 | otyugh_II | vook, when chrooting it, I don't have it oO |
| 21:44.35 | otyugh_II | I don't even have ls currently. This is weird. |
| 21:44.51 | vook | you can use grub directly actually |
| 21:45.05 | otyugh_II | show me the way ~ |
| 21:45.11 | Tix | otyugh_II There is also "Super Grub Disk 2" |
| 21:45.18 | petn-randall | otyugh_II: Looks like you didn't chroot into a shell? |
| 21:45.41 | otyugh_II | I just mounted the usb key and chrooted the monted dir, simply simply |
| 21:46.10 | petn-randall | otyugh_II: Which exact command? |
| 21:46.28 | otyugh_II | mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt; chroot /mnt |
| 21:46.59 | otyugh_II | (which is the root and only partition) |
| 21:47.01 | petn-randall | otyugh_II: And it returned a prompt without an error? |
| 21:47.08 | otyugh_II | yup |
| 21:47.31 | otyugh_II | and... There is no ls :O |
| 21:47.33 | petn-randall | otyugh_II: Try running /bin/bash, might be a chance that your current shell is not installed in the chroot. |
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| 21:47.44 | petn-randall | otyugh_II: What error do you get running ls? |
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| 21:48.07 | otyugh_II | running /bin/ls works :p |
| 21:48.17 | otyugh_II | PATH varibale must be empty |
| 21:48.31 | otyugh_II | well it isn't. But does not contain /bin |
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| 21:49.23 | otyugh_II | export PATH=${PATH}:/bin |
| 21:49.25 | otyugh_II | this fix it |
| 21:49.34 | otyugh_II | no grub install thought ! |
| 21:49.49 | vook | that |
| 21:49.51 | vook | tjat |
| 21:49.56 | vook | darn |
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| 21:50.00 | vook | that'd be in /usr/sbin |
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| 21:50.52 | vook | this is why some docs have you source /etc/profile as soon as you chroot |
| 21:51.52 | otyugh_II | source a file ? |
| 21:52.16 | otyugh_II | I see what's your point, but I don't get how to do it |
| 21:52.27 | otyugh_II | althought I now have grub-install o/ |
| 21:52.44 | vook | otyugh_II: like the gentoo doc - https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Chroot |
| 21:53.02 | otyugh_II | buuuuuut. From a chrooted env. Well. I won't have /dev/sdX right ? X_X |
| 21:53.23 | vook | right, because you didn't bind /dev |
| 21:53.42 | otyugh_II | I should have done it before chrooting, right ? |
| 21:53.48 | vook | right |
| 21:53.53 | otyugh_II | got it |
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| 21:56.07 | otyugh_II | gentoo wiki, almost as good as arch one o/ |
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| 22:01.28 | otyugh_II | grub-install give me the following error : (grub-install: warning: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged. command was : grub-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sdX) |
| 22:02.12 | otyugh_II | seem that the ms_dos table is responsible of this error |
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| 22:16.42 | dyce_ | i am having trouble with a bridge, i bridged an interface called vpn0 to vmbr1 (bridge_ports vpn0). but i cannot get dhcp to work when using dhclient -v vmbr1. but dhclient vpn0 will get an address from dhcp. does this have to do something with forwarding broadcasts (i assume since its all emulating switches it should) |
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| 22:39.12 | Delf | I have a strange behavior. One of the cores is being used 100% by /usr/sbin/fsodeviced. What's the deal? Don't know where in logs to look to find something about it |
| 22:39.46 | Delf | It seems to be usb related because it stops when I disconnect the usb hub |
| 22:40.03 | Delf | And when I plug the cable back in it goes up to 100% |
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| 22:44.34 | Delf | I lied! It doesn't stop, it only switches to another core |
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| 22:47.06 | vook | sounds like a bug - you could stop it and restart it in verbose mode |
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| 22:49.04 | vook | or strace it |
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| 23:15.26 | Time-Warp | anyone know what causes this |
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| 23:27.34 | awal1 | his/it's (?) bad english here :D |
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| 23:32.31 | SSLdude | hi there |
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| 23:32.43 | SSLdude | anyone has experience with Suprmicro BIOS IMPI updates |
| 23:32.57 | SSLdude | can you flash a BIOS even if the current one is bricked ? |
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| 23:43.34 | SSLdude | gathered some info here |
| 23:43.35 | SSLdude | https://lists.omniti.com/pipermail/omnios-discuss/2013-December/001892.html |
| 23:43.40 | SSLdude | in case someone bothers |
| 23:43.43 | SSLdude | ty guys |
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| 23:58.13 | sn00p | How come I cant run tls-cipher on debian 8 |
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