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00:06.06ironpillowwhen doing `ping6 ipv6.google.com` I am getting `connect: Network is unreachable` do I need change any settings?
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00:07.04petn-randallironpillow: Do you have ipv6 connectivity?
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00:08.59systempkWhere would an rst2man (generage a manpage from RestructuredText) command fit in a Debian packaging source managed with debhelper?
00:09.08systempk*generate
00:09.34ironpillowpetn-randall: just checked it with `http://test-ipv6.com/` it says `no ipv6 address detected`
00:10.19ironpillowdo I need to contact my ISP or update settings on my router?
00:12.53_|x|_thanks petn-randall
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00:15.34tacocatironpillow: note that not all isps provide ipv6 access. it might be worth asking them if you're really interested but there's no guarantee it'll work
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00:16.40ironpillowtacocat: got it. I will contact my ISP.
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00:24.43awwalwondering why my debian system never crashed in almost 4 years :D
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00:27.36awwal!laugh at non-debian-users
00:27.36dpkgHAHAHA! AH-HAHA! non-debian-users just cracks me up!
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00:38.17Vaingloryis there anything special about debian's apache that i should know about that would give me issues with TLS/SSL?
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00:40.17mutantewhat a vague question
00:40.32mutanteVainglory: do you have issues with TLS?
00:41.02Vainglorywell, not sure if i do yet. checking cloudflare and what not first
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00:41.35mutanteVainglory: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/
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00:41.57Vainglorywell, i don't have my ssl setup because SSLEnable On seems to give me an issue
00:42.03Vaingloryso i'm checking everything first
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00:44.25Akuwactually i have vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-686-pae
00:44.31Vainglorywelp, disregard. it works
00:44.37Vainglorywas an issue with cloudflare
00:44.45Akuwbut blender needs 3.6 or later
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00:47.42Akuwhow can i install 3.6 o later
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00:48.51calebwillAkuw: 3.16 is later than 3.6
00:49.29Akuwwhy blender is requesting later then
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00:50.26calebwillAkuw: the blender package in jessie (or backports) should have no problem with the jessie kernel
00:50.49Akuwhumm
00:51.10Akuwi see grug.cfg and have this line  initrd/boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-686-pae
00:51.27calebwillAkuw: what does "uname -a" say?
00:51.28Akuwthat is because i upgrade debian from wheeze
00:51.47AkuwLinux wiki 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u2 i686 GNU/Linux
00:52.11calebwillAkuw: you probably didn't complete the upgrade properly, because you are still using wheezy's kernel, not jessie's.
00:52.27Akuwhumm
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00:52.58Akuwthe i ahve to sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
00:53.00Akuw?
00:53.34calebwillAkuw: you should check the jessie release notes upgrade instructions for what you may have missed: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/
00:54.55Akuwok, reading
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01:06.44flound1129how do I force nfs version 4.1?
01:06.57MrKeunerhi what does dash offer instead of bash's source builtin?
01:07.14flound1129dash is a stripped down version of bash, standardized for debian, iirc
01:07.23flound1129it's more like the original sh
01:07.29MrKeunerdoesn't seem to recognize source...
01:07.36flound1129oh
01:07.38flound1129the command?
01:07.39flound1129tyr .
01:07.39MrKeuner<PROTECTED>
01:07.41flound1129*try .
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01:08.01MrKeunerflound1129, do you mean ./ ?
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01:08.08flound1129$ . /etc/profile
01:08.11flound1129vs.
01:08.13MrKeunerok thanks
01:08.14flound1129$ source /etc/profile
01:08.32MrKeunerflound1129, would that work in bash too>?
01:08.35flound1129yes
01:08.40MrKeunergreat, thanks
01:08.42flound1129np
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01:29.42Guest83447Once I (think that I have) fixed the issue in an initramfs shell, how do I tell it to continue the normal boot process?
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01:30.45Guest83447Oh, right, I just exit.
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01:31.29flound1129anyone know how to force nfs v4.1?
01:31.43flound1129on jessie, both server and client running 4.5.0 kernel
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02:10.27p3awhy am i getting secure connection failed on all websites except google.com (using 8.5 and stable iceweasel)
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02:11.30p3await nvm.
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02:11.58p3aits because im running it as a vm
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02:22.21emma-hmm
02:22.32emma-looks like there's no good way to get more recent versions of MATE in jessie-stable
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02:26.32glassresistorim having an issue updating flash player
02:27.09kravis there a reasonably non-sucky way to just run a script at boot?
02:27.32kravbecause i don't want a service for a one time script.
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02:28.42zykotick9krav: is /etc/rc.local "non-sucky"?
02:28.51glassresistori run http://pastebin.com/ye7Hz2Vc but it keeps saying its .616 and not .621
02:29.12kravzykotick9: i thought that died with systemd.
02:29.24zykotick9krav: it's still working in debian
02:29.28kravwoot!
02:29.36kravthat is in fact, non-sucky
02:30.03glassresistorI literally just removed the .so image and ran install and its still installing .616 instead of .621
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03:09.39StrykarHi! Is is possible to upgrade wheezy's OpenSSH to 6.2+? It's currently running "OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-4+deb7u4, OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013"
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03:11.02TomTomTosch,v openssh-client
03:11.03juddPackage: openssh-client on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze-security: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze-security-lts: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze8; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u4; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u2; jessie: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u2; stretch: 1:7.2p2-5; sid: 1:7.2p2-5
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03:11.23TomTomToschStrykar: wheezy-backports has 6.6 ^
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03:12.52RoyKStrykar: debian etch?
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03:14.16RoyKoh - wheezy
03:14.22sceadwianAnyone had any issues setting up vnc4server on Debian LXDE? I can't seem to get a connection going on my machine.
03:14.24StrykarTomTomTosch, thank you
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03:19.12jimbrief q... does debian 8 have mate packaged?
03:19.28Strykarwoot! OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Debian-4~bpo70+1, OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013
03:19.52calebwilljim: yes it's one of the desktops on the tasksel screen in the installer
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03:25.50asterismoi have a question
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03:26.21asterismoi dist-upgraded wheezy to jessie and now LyX cannot compile PDFs, something went broken
03:26.34asterismowhat can i do? reinstalling LyX wont fix the issue
03:26.53dvs!release notes
03:26.54dpkgRelease notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes .  See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>.
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03:33.36jimhow can I get a list of the packages which get (directly) installed from task-sel?
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03:39.18calebwilljim: tasksel --task-packages <task>
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03:57.42sceadwianstupid question (been a while since I've run linux) how do I kill X (LXDE) and go straight to a pure command prompt?
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03:59.13calebwillsceadwian: you don't need to kill anything, you can use ctrl+alt+f1 to go to tty1. it will be alt+f7 (or one of the other F keys) to get back to X
03:59.38sceadwianyep
03:59.42sceadwianjust figured it out thanks +)
03:59.47sceadwianI'm more than a little rust.
03:59.48sceadwiany
04:00.19sceadwianI do need to kill X though? I'm having issues setting up vnc4server, got time to help with that?
04:00.46calebwilli don't really know VNC
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04:01.12sceadwianI can ssh to my machine fine, but I can get vnc working and I really want remote x access
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04:01.46hosiettry ssh -X as an alternative, if you like
04:01.52RoyKsceadwian: if you don't need a GUI locally on your box, uninstall the crap
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04:02.10RoyKsceadwian: it just eats (a wee bit of) resources
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04:02.35RoyKsceadwian: next time, don't install it in the first place
04:03.28Rusty1me too sceadwian
04:03.29sceadwianI'm actually kind of digging screen for remote terminals, anything better than it?
04:04.01RoyKsceadwian: ssh?
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04:04.30sceadwianRoyK: Pardon?
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04:06.21RoyKremote x isn't about vnc
04:06.24Rusty1sceadwian:  some like  tmux instead of sceen
04:06.46RoyKdoes tmux support X forward?
04:07.21RoyKdamn - it does :)
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04:12.32sceadwianI definitly need vnc
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04:13.25calebwillsceadwian: maybe try xpra
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04:15.17sceadwiancalebwill: the reason for VNC is to be able to access it from android as well. There are a trillion VNC clients
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04:17.03monstercoHi everyone - how can I mount an external HDD that I just connected to my debian server?
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04:17.41sceadwianI'd try mount myself...
04:18.15cra1g321create directory for drive to be mounted to, use mount command
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04:20.33monstercohow can i list it?
04:20.55cra1g321fdisk -l or blkid
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04:22.16cra1g321for example my windows drive is /dev/sdc, and the partition on it is /dev/sdc1, so i would do
04:22.31cra1g321mkdir /mnt/windows then mount -t ntfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt/windows
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04:22.59cra1g321i dont see how it would be any different for a external HDD
04:23.03cra1g321why it*
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04:34.37monstercothanks - worked
04:34.48monstercohow can I know where one of my local vms is mounted? like which directories?
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04:35.55BW^-emm, does Debian install Gimp by default????????
04:36.41BW^-i want "startx", fvwm, the GTK libraries and the like, but no ultrahuge X environment with lots of accessory software! ... how do, should I de-select the "Debian desktop environment" option when I install?
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04:37.36calebwillBW^-: if you leave "debian desktop environment" selected it will install gnome and some applications including gimp, unless you also select one of the other desktops
04:37.38monstercono gimp
04:37.41monstercothis is proxmox
04:37.47monstercoI have /dev/dm-0
04:38.13calebwillBW^-: leaving it unselected will give you a text login, you can apt-get the packages you want
04:38.27calebwilldpkg: tell monsterco about proxmox
04:38.46BW^-calebwill: which package would it be to get the basic X?
04:38.59BW^-like "startx" that kicks me into FVWM or xfce
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04:39.24BW^-calebwill: yeah I think that is the better way for me to go, just not to get bloat
04:39.37BW^-I understand Debian by default wants to give you a really generous system setup however it's too much for me.
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04:39.51calebwillBW^-: personally i'm happy with the gnome desktop from the installer, but installing the package for fvwm should bring in enough of X to use startx
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04:40.01BW^-aha
04:40.03BW^-ok
04:40.12BW^-calebwill: the same if I install xfce?
04:40.23BW^-so I just skip the "Debian desktop environment" option at installation time, and install packages as I want later?
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04:40.44calebwilldepending on which xfce package you install you may get a graphical Display Manager login
04:41.03BW^-aha
04:41.06BW^-mhm
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04:41.14calebwillBW^-: yes, if you want. if it's a fairly modern computer i wouldn't worry so much about bloat
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04:43.49calebwillprobably only talking a few hundred MB of disk space for the applications that the various desktop tasks install
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04:47.04weilancysI opened vim within the terminal window and tried to paste in(right click and paste) a very long text I copied from some web page. Vim only received the first part, how do I get to paste the whole text into vim in a terminal?
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04:47.43BW^-mhm
04:47.56weilancysIs it an issue related with vim's buffer size or the terminal?
04:47.58BW^-calebwill: can I see anywhere what's included in the "standard system utilities" and "SSH server" packages?
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04:48.47BW^-bundles
04:49.22calebwillBW^-: ssh server is just openssh-server, standard system utils is "aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant" (all the packages of priority standard, required, important)
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04:50.29BW^-ah I see some descriptions in the tasksel documentation
04:50.45BW^-calebwill: SSH server is *SOLELY* the openssh-server package really?
04:52.38calebwillBW^-: it installs the task-ssh-server package that depends on openssh-server and tasksel, and recommends openssh-client
04:53.02BW^-hm
04:53.07Strykar,v pam_duo
04:53.08juddNo package named 'pam_duo' was found in amd64.
04:53.08BW^-calebwill: where can I dig this stuff out? :)
04:53.33BW^-calebwill: "and tasksel", what do you mean?   tasksel is installed on all systems is it not?
04:53.35calebwillBW^-: once you have debian installed you can use "tasksel --list-tasks" and "tasksel --task-packages task", and "apt-cache depends" or "apt-cache show" on packages to see dependencies
04:53.47BW^-u aha
04:54.01calebwillBW^-: task packages depend on tasksel, but tasksel is usually already installed
04:54.06BW^-calebwill: "apt-cache depends task-ssh-server" and "apt-cache show task-ssh-server" would give me what?
04:54.10BW^-mhm
04:54.55calebwillBW^-: general information about a package, or just its dependencies
04:55.05BW^-ok
04:57.03BW^-calebwill: what do you mean by that tasksel is "usually" installed?
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04:58.14calebwillBW^-: it might not be installed if "standard system utils" is not selected
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04:58.51BW^-mhm
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04:59.03awwalHow things are done regarding grub(s) and kernel(s) when dualbooting 2 debian systems releases i386 (linux pae) and amd64?
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04:59.57awwalI mean same release but 2 different arch in dual boot
05:00.08BW^-calebwill: wait, if I not installed "standard system utilities" so I don't get "tasksel", I can still do "aptitude install tasksel" later right?
05:00.35calebwillBW^-: yes, but i don't see any good reason not to install standard system utilities
05:00.38BW^-calebwill: aha indeed "SSH server" is really lightweight https://packages.debian.org/jessie/task-ssh-server
05:00.53BW^-calebwill: it's slightly bloated maybe, I guess they will pop in as dependencies to other things
05:01.25npocould anyone help me figure out some font rendering issue i'm having? my machine renders many fonts really choppy/blocky/jaggedly, both in terminal and in firefox/chrome. currently playing with Cousine (a fixed width font). what are some possible causes?
05:04.02BW^-or.. ok i'll take it.
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05:04.46awwalI know that only one grub can handle the machine. I dont understand why initramfs and grub give me errors about vmlinuz (not sure about the exact output) when upgrading the kernel. It happens in the first arch installed /i386), and the new kernel is not loaded at boot. After upgrading the kernel in the second arch (amd64) i386 loads correctly the new kernel. Any clue?
05:05.01BW^-calebwill: thanks for clarifying!
05:05.09calebwillBW^-: http://paste.debian.net/733399/ this what the standard system utilities task will install. stuff like man pages, less that you'd want to have
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05:08.19calebwillBW^-: keep in mind some of the stuff on that list will be installed even with standard utils deselected
05:08.23awwalExcuses, I get same error about simlink , vmlinuz and I no remember what more when upgrading the kernelof the amd arch. Things are solved (both new kernels are loaded at boot only if I execute manually  update-initrafms -u  followed by update-grub
05:08.51awwalin the amd64 system ^
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05:10.26calebwillawwal: i haven't attempted dual booting since virtualization got relatively easy, but how are your grub(s) arranged? is one on the MBR and the other on a partition, or both on different physical drivers?
05:10.31npohow does one go about reloading ~/.fonts.conf ? Do I have to do a dpkg-reconfigure?
05:11.03awwalcelebwill, both en /dev/sda :P
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05:13.00awwalnot really sure about  that, being a novice :P I just told to the installer to put the grub in /dev/sda, for both systems ;)
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05:15.39calebwillawwal: sounds like a situationw where two installs are writing over each other's grubs
05:16.06awwalboth in the mbr for sure, but no clue how things are done exactly being both grubs and both kernels same version but different arch :)
05:16.19awwalcelebwill, seems yeah
05:17.34calebwillawwal: are you booting with BIOS or UEFI? i would try changing the grub config for one of them to install grub on its own /boot partition
05:17.56calebwillthe "primary grub" should find the other debian install with os-prober (i imagine)
05:17.59awwalcelebwill, bios
05:19.27awwalboth grubs find each other, no problem in that side
05:19.55calebwillawwal: what i'm saying is let one grub live on the MBR, put the other one somewhere else
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05:20.27awwalcelebwill, somewhere where?
05:20.57calebwillawwal: check "debconf-show grub-pc" there should be a debconf knob about the grub install device
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05:22.29awwalcalebwill, will look at that ok
05:23.08calebwillawwal: debconf-show is one way to check what questions "dpkg-reconfigure" can ask about a package
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05:25.23awwalcalebwill, no clue about debconf stuff but nice will check it and learn a bit :P
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05:27.15ataldisI have a problem with my front panel audio. Sometimes I turn the computer on and it's glitchy... I can't seem to get it working properly without rebooting (a couple of times)
05:28.00awwali386 in dev sda1 (primary), sda2 amd 64 and sda3 shared grub. wondering where to move one of the two grubs if any :P
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05:28.50ataldisI have headphones in front panel and standard speakers in back jack... the speakers always work fine. I have it configured so that both always reproduce the sound and only headphone comes out glitchy... any tips on diagnosing?
05:28.53awwalall is working fine here, anyway :P
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05:32.47awwalcalebwill, lazy to switch the whole system from i386 to amd64, so I decided to install amd 64 alongside the 32bit system. when I have more time I'll reinstall with only amd64...
05:33.19awwaland copy all the old configs
05:33.56calebwillawwal: installing an amd64 kernel and enabling multi-arch would have lets you lazily install amd64 packages one at a time as needed
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05:37.08darxmurfhi all
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05:37.47awwalcalebwill, tried that in another machine but things has gone wrong bcos of incompatibility of some libraries 32bit/amd64, libc stuff almost
05:39.45darxmurfanybody using bacula or bareos here ?
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05:41.36rnd_morning ^^
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05:42.20BW^-calebwill: Thanks again for that you helped to clarify!! Have a great weekend! :D
05:42.42calebwillBW^-: cheers you too :)
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05:42.45BW^-:D
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05:46.27rnd_yea its friday today...i forgot
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05:53.54iSlayWyvernsGood morning everyone. I've downloaded and copied Debian 8.5 on a USB thumb-drive - problem is, it doesn't seem to detect (or better say, enable?) My USB-Wifi
05:54.41iSlayWyvernsIt says something about a non-free driver? And If I got it on my usb - otherwise continue the installation. But I don't have it...
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06:00.42themilliSlayWyverns: can you complete the installation using wired ethernet?
06:01.19awwalcalebwill, if I remember good the big issue I had when i installed amd kernel in my i386 system is the incompatibility of binutils:i386 and binutils:amd64 (cant be installed both), required by a few pkgs like chromium ...
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06:03.15awwalchromiumamd64 needs binutils amd64  and all other 32bit pkgs requires binutils:i386, dpkg, apt and aptitude have gave up :P
06:03.42awwalme too :D
06:04.17iSlayWyvernsthemill, I can... if I move my Router on this room.
06:04.51themilliSlayWyverns: that will be easiest; alternatively, you can put the firmware required on another usb stick and continue on wireless
06:05.35iSlayWyvernsthemill, where could I find the firmware? Manufacturers website? or Debian site?
06:06.09darxmurfiSlayWyverns if you have an exotic wifi adapter it will be funky
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06:06.52iSlayWyvernsdarxmurf, define exotic, lol. It's a Zyxel one.
06:06.59darxmurfyou can probably find that in the non-free repository but it depends the brand
06:07.01darxmurfah ok :)
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06:07.16BW^-_all debians up to wheezy made tons of console output at boot
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06:07.24BW^-_the new one just makes an fsck result output that's all
06:07.26BW^-_change of strategy??
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06:08.22darxmurfiSlayWyverns: do you know the chip type of your zyxel adapter ?
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06:08.32darxmurfor the model
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06:08.55iSlayWyvernshttp://tinyurl.com/hyryttr here
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06:09.49iSlayWyvernsdarxmurf, to answer directly to the question 'Zyxel NWD271N' xD
06:09.51DrzacekHello. I have problem with my debian system. The system starts by default to console and I have to startx each time, which I don't like. When I startx, the broken plasma-desktop loads (can't set panels right). I was wondering if someone could help me set gui, dm and all that stuff right
06:10.09darxmurflooks like it's an atheros chip
06:10.12DrzacekI am open for alternatives to KDE (besides GNOME)
06:10.19iSlayWyvernsyeap, atheros
06:11.55darxmurfiSlayWyverns: https://wiki.debian.org/carl9170
06:12.21darxmurfor maybe get the firmware-atheros package
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06:13.24darxmurf,firmware-atheros
06:14.06darxmurfhow does this bot works :D
06:14.19awwal,v pkg
06:14.20juddNo package named 'pkg' was found in amd64.
06:14.26darxmurfsweet thanks
06:14.31darxmurf,v firmware-atheros
06:14.32juddPackage: firmware-atheros on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20160110-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20160110-1; sid/non-free: 20160110-1
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06:15.57themillmight be worth double checking that's the correct driver
06:16.16themilliSlayWyverns: what did the installer tell you about the firmware that was missing?
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06:17.02iSlayWyvernsthemill, about a missing non-free driver, i i remember correctly - and a model number?
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06:17.33BW^-_is there any benefit in "aptitude install" vs. "apt-get install"?
06:17.48themilliSlayWyverns: additional details would be handy
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06:18.36themillBW^-_: not really; aptitude cleans up after itself whereas apt-get lets you do it yourself when it comes to later removing packages; sometimes aptitude will find solutions when apt-get will not
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06:19.05BW^-_aha
06:19.16BW^-_themill: so aptitude is to be generally preferred then - ok, thanks!
06:19.50iSlayWyvernsthemill, I guess I'll just bring the router here - easiest solution... install base system & de then install the driver
06:20.40BW^-_what's the recommended way to make "g++" go to "g++-4.8" by default?
06:20.45BW^-_aptitude install -y g++-4.8  just gives you a g++-4.8 binary
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06:20.54iSlayWyvernsor I'll try again i a while (couple hours) and report back
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06:22.33darxmurfiSlayWyverns: or take a long eth cable :)
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06:23.41themilliSlayWyverns: the netinst image with firmware already on it might help
06:23.47themill!firmware iso
06:23.47dpkgUnofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ .  See also <install guide>.
06:23.51iSlayWyvernsdarxmurf, got one, but it's not nice to look at. Could use it for one-time-thing though.
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06:24.49BW^-_how do I see in what package "startx" is located?
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06:24.59themillBW^-_: any makefile that doesn't let you do that with an environment variable is a tad broken
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06:25.23BW^-_mhm
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06:27.36darxmurfiSlayWyverns: yep but only for the installation
06:27.46darxmurfthen config the wifi and remove the cable :)
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06:28.36iSlayWyvernsI'll take some more sleep first & come back, thx for the tips!
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06:32.46darxmurfsleeping is cheating !
06:32.47darxmurf:D
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06:35.39ataldisI have debian jessie 8.5 here on a H97-PRO GAMER. Sometimes I boot up and the audio from front panel is glitchy. I have auto-mute turned off, and sound comes fine from speakers (connected to back), only the headphone is glitchy (distorted). I can't get it working without rebooting the system (sometimes a couple of times until it's working again). Hardware is fine, never had any problems with ubuntu or
06:35.41ataldiswindows. Kernel driver in use is snd_hda_intel. Any tips on diagnosing?
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06:39.37towo^workataldis, which kernel version you use?
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06:43.18ataldistowo^work: 3.16.0-4-amd64
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06:46.34Strykar,v libpam-duo
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06:58.55torHi, is there any way to get dbconfig-common to globally use an admin password when configuring packages. Such as my.cnf or alike for mysql?
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07:00.34torIt seems to me that the only way to get around having to manually enter the information is to pre-seed debconf on a package to package basis :|
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07:01.35darxmurfstill nobody to help with bareos or bacula ? :-)
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07:25.24haltHi guys, I have a diff related question, sounds simple but few ours of googleing tell me it's not that simple, I want to compare two file with this which companied file size is bigger then the available memory
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07:36.44Aronetgif ?
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07:40.13Walexhalt: 'man diff' has the answer :-)
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07:43.18Walexdarxmurf: if nobody answers you have to repeat the *whole question*, as new people join, stuff scrolls away. Of course don't repeat it that often :-)
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07:45.00darxmurfyep I know :-)
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08:00.39haltWalex: well I started there, believe it or not I read it first before ask, but if you think I missed something please tell me that are you trying to refer to,. if you thing the --speed-large-files option then I can tell you that does not changed anything
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08:19.37iSlayWyvernsWhile net-installing Deb. can u also choose Kernel version? eg 4.4 ?
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08:23.35bazhangiSlayWyverns, what deb
08:23.44iSlayWyverns8.x
08:23.56bazhangthats debian not deb
08:24.38bazhangiSlayWyverns, what version did you need
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08:26.44iSlayWyvernsbazhang, preferably 4.4
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08:28.30SweetKatyahi. would someone please give a solution to what is happening in this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyM29jxLrrI thanks.
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08:32.28iSlayWyvernsAnyway, off to try it out!
08:33.23bazhangSweetKatya, giving a synopsis of the issue is better than a youtube link
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08:36.34SweetKatyabazhang, the youtube is what best describes it because it involves graphics.
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08:38.25bazhangSweetKatya, to get support you should always state the issue in the channel, not give some random yt link
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08:50.46jelly!ask
08:50.46dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:39.00SweetKatyahi. would someone please give a solution to what is happening in this video? my screen is scrambled  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyM29jxLrrI thanks.
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09:41.07Nik05SweetKatya what videocard and drivers-?
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09:45.43SweetKatyaNik05, 01:00.1 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd. MGA G200EH (rev 01)
09:46.09SweetKatyaI am also looking here: http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/support/drivers/latest/
09:46.17SweetKatyathis is an old card
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09:46.32SweetKatyait comes with my hp server
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09:47.48majorshakeI'm trying to reinstall nginx via apt and it's not creating new configuration files in etc.
09:48.22majorshakeAny idea why apt wouldn't recreate them? (I deleted the /etc/nginx folder manually after removing nginx)
09:48.28pmarkoulidakisdid you try to use dpkg-reconfigure?
09:48.48majorshakeNo effect.
09:49.02majorshakeIt just creates the directories (config.d, sites-available, sites-enabled)
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09:52.17pmarkoulidakistry to purge the package and reinstall
09:52.23majorshakeI found this on stackoverflow, which would only work if exected from my home directory
09:52.27majorshakesudo dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/nginx-common_*.deb
09:52.43majorshakeexecuted*
09:52.53majorshakethat seems to have fixed it
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09:53.29pmarkoulidakisaptitude install -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confmiss nginx
09:53.49pmarkoulidakisGlad you fixed it :)
09:53.56majorshakeSo am I :)
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10:01.10BW^-I have the "linux-libc-dev" installed. and I have a /usr/include/errno.h file .
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10:05.56inchbuild-essential
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10:06.38BW^-fixed
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10:06.59BW^-inch: I had given broken arguments to g++ , that was the comical reason for the ./configure error re header files
10:07.21inchHmm, build-essential was wrong answer.
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10:07.59inchBut installing it seems to conveniently pull packages so that compiling c/c++ works.
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10:29.18Hansphello all, i have a (maybe) stupid question, i am running an install on debian from openmediavault and apparently i installed i386 by mistake ... is it possible in anyway ( easy if possible ) to change it to amd64 ??
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10:32.30TEXMHansp, Reinstall
10:32.38Hanspi guessed that
10:32.41Hanspdamned :)
10:32.41towo^workHansp, no, its not easy to change to amd64
10:32.43TEXMyup
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10:32.48Hanspwell yeah
10:33.03HanspNAS has been working for 2years now and i want to add something witch seems impossible due to i386 structure
10:33.26Hanspi'll apt-get my way to the attic then :)
10:33.26Hanspthanks
10:33.52TEXMYou may be able to Only Reinstall /root and leave your /hpme alone and Preserve your DATA
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10:34.03Hansphow can i do that ?
10:34.31TEXMWhen you reinstall, just don't Format your /home directory
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10:34.43TEXMYour data will remain,
10:34.45Hanspoh k
10:34.47Hanspwill check it out
10:34.56TEXMTake your time...
10:34.59Hanspif it doesnt work, i backed up the entire OS drive
10:35.08Hanspso prolly i can copy it all back in i guess ?
10:35.29TEXMwell I said that ASSUMING you have Seperate /root /swap /home Partitions
10:35.36Hanspno clue
10:35.54Hanspprolly NO since this was my first linux experience
10:35.55TEXMthere is an Option for that, it is Better...
10:37.10TEXMLook at ALL of the Options before you Choose ANY...you will see the Option for Separate /root/ /swap /home and even /var
10:37.34TEXMIf you have everything backed up you have nothing to worry about
10:37.58Hanspok
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10:38.02Hanspthanks
10:38.24TEXMYour Welcome
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10:40.43madrikI never figured to ask because I haven't done it any other way: can I install Debian in an existing encrypted LVM setup?
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10:46.37TEXMmadrik, Unless you have a Really Good Reason to Encrypt your Drives, I would recommend Moving away from that as if you are to forget your Password or it become Corrupted....You will no longer be able to Access that Drive and there are many other things Hindered by Encrypted Drives.
10:47.18TEXMI would believe you CAN Install Debian on an Encrypted Drive but Again Iwould Advise you Against it unless it is Really Necessary.
10:47.50madrikOkay, I get that. Emphasis noted.
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10:48.21madrikI was just following what the EFF said a while back about always encrypting your disks, especially on laptops.
10:48.46madrikI understand there's a performance hit as well.
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10:51.00madrikDoes the Debian installer facilitate this? I couldn't see a selectable option as I saw in Anaconda (Fedora), and I'm told, also in OpenSUSE.
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10:56.21mangasmadrik: I don't remember from the top of my head where but I'm pretty sure you can do that from the installer. I always have my drives encrypted. You might need to do the custom partitioning though ( I really can't remember)
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10:57.45mangasmadrik: you can always get the installer on a USB drive and look for that without making changes to your system, or just download the iso and try it on virtualbox
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10:57.55madrikmangas: I haven't seen it either in 7 or in 8.
10:58.12madrikmangas: Do you have AES-NI in your CPU?
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11:08.33Iridosmadrik, I guess you could put it into an existing lvm... but that means much more fiddling, because you have to make sure the relevant parts (if any) needed are in initramfs
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11:09.15Iridosmadrik, I used the installer option for encrypted lvm  on the work desktop  and my laptop and have had zero problems with it so far
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11:09.51Iridosno idea, though, what might happen when a disk gets faulty sectors...
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11:11.20Iridosbut I don't think the installer would detect an existing encrypted drive (well, try it and see) ... so that would have to be an intsall from another linux system with debootstrap
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11:12.22Iridosit's surely possible, but with a factor of 2 to 100 more effort (depending on how much you have to learn) because you have to do things the installer would do for you yourself
11:12.30leetcooli want to create a custom distro based on debian, please gimme a few keywords to search for. i want all the images like images on installer and everything to change. i'll make the graphics by myself but i don't know how to proceed
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11:13.28Iridos"images"? like graphics or like iso-images
11:14.07madriktridos: Does SMART have issues with encryption?
11:14.37Iridoshuh? why should it?
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11:16.08Iridoswhy should smart care what the content written to disk is
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11:16.11leetcooli mean in that distro i want to update all the( graphical ) images by my own stuff
11:16.33madrikIridos: you said "no idea, though, what might happen when a disk gets faulty sectors..."
11:16.47madrikDid you mean in the context of a cold boot?
11:17.16IridosI mean ... a sector goes missing on the disk or the data is corrupted
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11:17.48Iridosand I haven't ever looked how the encryption is done
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11:18.07Iridosso how big are encrypted chunks (which aren't even on the physical disk, but on lvm)
11:18.20vltmadrik: i do this all the time. I have LVM on LUKS on RAID. Just make sure /sbin/cryptsetup is available in initramfs, otherwise you’re locked out and need to boot something to boot from USB.
11:18.38Iridosand hence, how much more data is affected because of encryption
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11:19.23grohnehi. it seems that DSA-3600-1 (firefox) breaks extensions here. is that a generally known problem or some local breakage?
11:19.25vltmadrik: SMART doesn’t care. For the disk it’s always just bytes.
11:19.32Iridosalso, can small(ish) parts of the disk get corrupted that make reading the whole disk impossible... to a bigger extent than before (if partition tables or so were corrputed that was always problematic)
11:20.08Iridosand I guess in principle the impact of encryption on such failures should be pretty low...
11:20.35Iridosbut I thankfully didn't have such failures, and so I really don't know if that's correct
11:21.59vltI don’t think what Iridos said about encryption and disk failure is accurate.
11:24.00vltThere’s no higher propability that files in a corrupted file system aren’t readable when saif file system is coincedentally on an encrypted block device.
11:24.08vlt*said
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11:30.23madrikWhere can I find out which release of Gnome will be supported in 9?
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11:32.43Iridosvlt, but that's what I said...
11:33.26Iridosyou're not supposed to say you disagree, then repeat pretty much the same
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11:37.33sypherIridos: From by brief review of the conversation, what vlt said is correct. In any commonly-used disk encryption scheme, the contents of an encrypted block aren't dependent on prior blocks. If they were, you'd have to read the entirety of a disk up to file X every time you wanted to read file X.
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11:39.47Tsutsukakushiis there a list of what the different things for the first column in the output of `dpkg -l` mean?
11:40.33sypherTsutsukakushi: It's detailed in the header of the output itself.
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11:41.15Tsutsukakushiah
11:41.21TEXMMy Bottom line was that IF you are Realtively NEW and Do Not Fully Understand HOW to Recover Your Data or Access to Your Drive upon some type of Failure, I recommended Not Encrypting a Drive at All. Now anyone can Do Anything They Choose...but when it comes Back to Haunt You, Remember that you were Warned.
11:41.24Tsutsukakushiguess i never saw the header
11:41.28Tsutsukakushisince the output is so long
11:41.39Tsutsukakushiyou only really see it if you | head
11:41.54MaxLanar2Hi. Are you aware of a FLOSS offline website builder available for debian ? After hours of crawling the web I can't find nothing...
11:42.13jellyMaxLanar2: like, a static site compiler?
11:42.43sypherTEXM: I recommend not capitalizing random words in what you say, because it makes it hard to read. Also, bad logic. If you don't know how to recover data, then it being encrypted or not isn't your problem.
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11:43.05MaxLanar2jelly : something like that yes
11:43.39Iridossypher, yes... that's what I think. If you note, I said I think the impact should be low... but that I haven't had problems, so I cannot really say this is true for every aspect
11:43.40MaxLanar2jelly : I need to build a somehow simple website
11:44.40sypherIridos: I'm not sharing an opinion, I'm actually answering your question on a technical level. :) The encryption modes used for on-disk data are not dependent on prior blocks. If you have a disk sector go bad, the effect is the same as for a non-encrypted disk.
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11:45.34TEXMsypher, ALL lowercase Strains my eyes....so get over it. To each his own...and My conversation was to NEWBIES....so Yes your Correct with your last sentence. I was not addressing Seasoned Users...
11:46.13HanspTEXM: unfortunatly i cannot restore any backup config for a few plugins :(
11:46.15sypherTEXM: Newbies don't know how to recover data from any system, encrypted or not, so again, bad logic.
11:46.24Hanspdifferent in this version
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11:46.47Hanspbut hey ... it's fun to rebuild :D
11:47.23TEXMsypher, well it would be a whole lot easier to Recover Data from an Unencrypted Drive than an Encrypted Drive wouldn't you agree?
11:47.42Hanspwhats the point of encrypting then :D
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11:49.11Tichoif you don't have the encryption key to the drive, you have no business recovering data from it :)
11:49.37pmarkoulidakis3:) :D
11:49.51MaxLanar2jelly: But I'm willing to learn "web stuff" as it may not be the only site I will build/manage. Do you think I should learn html/etc and hand-write my web site (I already know emacs so I have a good editor, that is a good start) ? I'm taking any suggestion :) (I'm a big noob concerning web stuff)
11:50.02TEXMEncryption has it's use, but I believe you need to fully understand What your doing before you Encrypt your Drive and then forget a password or corrupt it with an Upgrade and then Unable to Recover. I am advising New Users to understand What the Implications are and for them to Understand HOW to Recover from a Corrupted Encrypted Drive before they Encrypt their drive.
11:50.02sypherIridos: dm-crypt uses AES-XTS, a non-dependent operating mode of AES. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_encryption_theory#XEX-based_tweaked-codebook_mode_with_ciphertext_stealing_.28XTS.29
11:50.08sypherApologies for the long link.
11:51.02MaxLanar2TEXM: Encryption or not : nothing worth a good backup system !
11:51.20TEXMThe Other thing about Encryption, it only Keeps Everyday People out of your Data, if your on the Internet, your Data is already PUBLIC...so get over it.
11:51.28Iridosthere's still an lvm layer in between... which probably doesn't change that
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11:51.38TEXMMaxLanar2, True Max.
11:51.39Iridosbut have you had sector failures on a disk set up that way?
11:51.45sypherIridos: No, it does not, and yes, I have.
11:52.08sypherIridos: Again, this is simply a fact of how it's implemented. Not really an experience-based response, just the tech data.
11:52.30IridosI find actual experience more convincing than walking off all the links of a complex set-up
11:54.06Iridosand things often look simpler than the actual implementation is
11:54.22TEXMI see people (New People to Linux) all the time who have encrypted their drives and then can't get back into them. They then come to the Help Channel asking for the Miracle Key to get back in their Encrypted Drive they Crashed.....
11:54.22sypherIridos: The solution is what it is. You're not the first person to have these questions, which is why the solution is built in this manner. I'm telling you how it works, if you want experience then feel free to build a VM that matches your desired deployment, and use DD to zero/random out a random sector in the middle of the LVM partition and see how it behaves.
11:54.24Iridosdon't tell me you've reviewed the crypt code and the lvm code and and and all line by line
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11:55.28sypherIridos: If that's your criteria, have you read through the entire Linux kernel code line by line? ext4? The TCP/IP stack? The base command set?
11:56.14sypherIridos: Do your own research to satisfy your curiosity. You've gotten the answer you're going to get here: How dmcrypt functions.
11:56.21Iridosthat's not my "criteria", whatever that means, that's my reason why I say it's speculation until you've seen how it really behaves
11:56.28Iridosand I don't think we're going anywhere with this
11:56.39Iridossypher, I didn't even fucking ask the question
11:56.42sypherIridos: No, we're not, because that's utter nonsense.
11:56.59Iridosand if you checked your facts as carefully as your backlog...
11:57.41IridosI answered the question saying I haven't seen any problems with those setups, but I haven't really had a lot of shit hit me
11:58.07Iridosand I don't know what issue you have with that answer
11:58.29Iridosyou could just add to it without  creating contradictions that don't exist
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11:59.14sypherIridos: The notion that I am "speculating" about the function and mechanisms of dmcrypt without reading the code is moronic. I'm probably more aware of its internal workings than most, but you wanted to be a jerk about it. So, Google's there, have fun.
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12:00.38IridosI feel you wanted to be a jerk about it
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12:00.43Iridosso maybe we leave it at that
12:00.50jellyMaxLanar2: I'd try asking in #web
12:01.26MaxLanar2jelly: tanks for the suggestion, I will do that :)
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12:09.29zuzzasHey, guys. How do you monitor config file changes on hosts after an update (assuming a lot of said hosts)? For example, on Debian system, there is a "conffile" mechanism, that'll create a new file that ends in ".dpkg-new". How do you monitor such changes by package maintainers on a large scale?
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12:13.29sypherzuzzas: You might create a hash sum file of your config directory/directories, then check against said file post-updates. It has the advantage of being easily scriptable.
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12:16.37zuzzassypher: a guy on #ansible already proposed a solution: just create a cananary host for all you configurations. If something wrong happens: act before issuing an update on a horde of VM's.
12:16.46zuzzassypher: thank you anyways!
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12:17.38vltIridos: Yes, you were right. I didn’t understand that you were basically saying the same the first time I read your sentences.
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12:38.35DammitJimif I sudo to become another user: sudo su - otheruser
12:39.05DammitJimand I want to edit a file that is not owned by this user, is there a way to sudo vi filename.txt
12:39.11DammitJimbut not have the system ask me for a password for that user?
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12:41.01xaiDammitJim: You mean "NOPASSWD" to /etc/sudoers?
12:41.18DammitJimno, I mean, I already supplied my password when I became that user
12:41.37DammitJimmaybe there is a way I need to become that user, but still keep sudo privileges?
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12:42.15xaiSeems my English skill are to weak to understand the task =\
12:42.23xai* skills
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12:45.58somiajDammitJim: you would have to configure sudo to allow that. Maybe step back and think what you really want to achive. Are you 'su -' this other user for the sole purpose of editing a file?
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12:46.08mangasDammitJim: if you switch to the user you switch to the user, you could add the exact vi command to sudoers or maybe you want to rely on the group ownership rather than user ownership
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12:48.16mangasyou should also be able to do something like sudo -u user vi file
12:48.32xaimangas: What he means by "keep sudo privileges"? He means "to preserve root privileges"?
12:48.43mangasI think so
12:48.54DammitJimI meant
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12:49.07DammitJimI, dammitjim, already have sudo
12:49.08Athi there
12:49.12xaimangas: Well, he can preserve capabilities to get full FS access :)
12:49.14DammitJimwhen I become anotheruser
12:49.25DammitJimcan I keep my sudo privileges as I did when I was dammitjim
12:49.34mangasxai: that was my suggestion when I said rely on the group perms
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12:49.52xaiDammitJim: Why just don't press ctrl+d?
12:49.59DammitJimwhat's that?
12:50.02mangasDammitJim: to my knowledge the short answer is no
12:50.06xaiDammitJim: It's a logout
12:50.08DammitJimmangas, no problem
12:50.12mangasyou will be acting as the new user
12:50.13DammitJimjust wondering if there is a way
12:50.16mangasyou sudo'd into
12:50.24AtAs my nickname says, I am trying to use "at" command in a shell script called via xinetd. But command is never executed. Is there something like tty lost or I don't know what ? Thank you.
12:50.36mangasbut from what you're saying I think you are trying to kill a fly with a canon
12:50.55DammitJimI'm trying to help a developer who is lazy enough (like me) and doesn't want to exit, become himself again and then give user:group privileges to the file he edited
12:51.28c0mrad3I need help with dns, I added nameserver 8.8.8.8, nameserver 8.8.4.4 in /etc/resolv.conf now if I remove those lines I am not able to access internet, how to fix it
12:51.41somiajDammitJim: when you become another user, you become that user and get that users abilities. You would have to configure sudo to allow that user to have root privlages. Might want to rethink how to achive what youw ant.
12:52.16mangasyeah it really seems you're overdoing it
12:52.17somiajDammitJim: you could set up a shared directory such that every file in that directory gets full permissions to some group. Then the user can freely edit any file in that directory.
12:52.28Atc0mrad3: If you don't have DNS server configured, you can only access through IP
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12:52.31somiaj(provided you add the user to the group)
12:52.33mangasor group permissions for a group with that user and yours
12:53.07c0mrad3At: let me search for how to configure dns server :)
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12:53.27Atwhat you did seems legit for me :)
12:54.19c0mrad3At: or would you mind me telling that :)
12:54.52xaiDammitJim: Why just don't open two terminals or setup acces by shared group (as others say)?
12:55.13xai… two terminals can be opened in one screen/tmux, btw
12:55.24Atc0mrad3: Do it yourselft, because I have to search to get it too
12:55.41c0mrad3At: :)
12:55.53Atbut obviously, if you don't configure DNS servers, you won't be able to reach any server by its name
12:56.08AtAs my nickname says, I am trying to use "at" command in a shell script called via xinetd. But command is never executed. Is there something like tty lost or I don't know what ? Thank you.
12:56.36c0mrad3At: I don't where I messed up
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12:57.15Atc0mrad3: perhaps you need something like /etc/init.d/networking restart ?
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12:58.51c0mrad3At: I don't think that will work! I even tried removing those lines and restarting but didn't work!
12:58.53xaiAt: «in a shell script» — may be you should add flag "-x" to shebang of your script and redirect sterr somewhere?
12:58.57Atc0mrad3: oh, and if you are in a dhcp environment, you can try sudo dhclient eth0 (or something like that... it's very far for me :) )
12:59.08xai* stderr
12:59.48Atxai: you mean -x to at ?
12:59.58Atlooking for man at
13:00.00xaiAt: -x to the script, that execs at
13:00.29Atxai yeah -x doesn't exists for at :)
13:00.44xaiAt: You meantioned a "shell script".
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13:01.05Atxai: in fact this script is launched via xvfb-run, launched via xinetd :/
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13:01.11Atxai:
13:01.14Atxai: yes
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13:01.34xaiAt: What is the first line of the shell script file?
13:01.55xaiIs it a shebang? — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix)
13:02.01At#!/bin/bash
13:02.11xaiReplace it by "#!/bin/bash -x"
13:02.25xaiAlso wrap the rest part of the script into "()
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13:02.29DammitJimthanks guys
13:02.30xaiAlso wrap the rest part of the script into "(…) 2>/tmp/log"
13:02.33DammitJimI understand the process
13:02.39DammitJimwas just trying to poke and see if there was something else
13:02.43DammitJimI am aware of the other options
13:02.44Atxai: ok, but if this script is called one millions time, will it remains in memory or something ?
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13:03.35xaiAt: It's just a trace-mode. If you have fast and big enough /tmp, then everything will be ok, probably.
13:04.21xaiAfter a try (to call at via the script via xinetd) you should look at the trace ("/tmp/log")
13:05.08Atxai: Oh ok, thanks, but my script already logs everything
13:05.21Atand at command runs without any issue
13:05.40Atand if I run it in a shell, it works
13:05.41xaiAt: Do you log stderr result of "at"?
13:05.56At&> my.log
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13:06.32Atwhat I guess is that when xinetd task is over, my at command disapear with it
13:07.10Atbecause parent shell/process/tty/I don't know doesn't exists anymore
13:08.02Atxai: you know what I mean ?
13:10.41xaiAt: at should report to stderr if any error
13:10.44xaiIMO
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13:11.24Atxai: it doesn't because there is no error
13:11.59xaiAt: it runs successfuly or it doesn't run or it runs with error (and reports). I don't see other variants.
13:12.08xaiYou said it runs
13:12.10Atxinetd script just launch it, and then exits
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13:13.13Atxai: at runs => yes, command that should be run later doesn't run
13:13.48xaiAt: atq shows something?
13:13.58Atxai: nope
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13:14.16Atxai: like task is deleted because parent script/shell exited
13:14.33xaiAt: So: "at" runs and runs without stderr, but "at" queue is empty… right?
13:14.35Atxai: it's just like at is shell dependant
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13:14.40c0mrad3At: https://askubuntu.com/questions/54888/resolvconf-u-gives-the-error-resolvconf-error-etc-resolv-conf-must-be-a-sym done it
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13:14.55Atc0mrad3: nice
13:15.06Atxai: exactly
13:15.15xaiAt: I'd strace atd
13:15.24Atxai: let me try something...
13:16.10Atxai: ok, this what I was guessing... :/
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13:17.56xaiAt: what?)
13:18.04Atxai: nope finally my test was successful, I did echo "ls -l" | at now + 10 min then listed task with at -l in another shell and tasks exists
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13:20.23Atxai: I will trace at commands in a specific file to check it
13:21.17aaronetgif ?
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13:28.40MaBunnyhey guys
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13:43.09quesoI would like to purchase a pre-built two-drive NAS device to use as a storage system in my house.  I'm having a hard time determining Linux/Debian compatibility.  Many of them appear to run debian under the hood, but are they going to support linux file bits, and otherwise work well with linux boxes connected to them?  If someone could point me to a website or something, it'd be appreciated.  Thanks.
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13:51.40MaBunnynewegg.com and https://h-node.org/home/index/en
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13:54.07ScurzHi
13:54.30ScurzI would like to know when owncloud 8 is going to be packaged for debian8 ?
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13:56.34IgelScurz: no idea. i thought owncloud is deprecated.. or that might just be blog hype..
13:57.09TEXMqueso, https://www.linux.com/photos/top-10-linux-nas-systems-small-office
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13:58.39quesoTEXM: thanks
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14:01.39iSlayWyverns32bit or 64bit on an old 3gb laptop? would it make a difference for every-day tasks? (mostly Videos, internet...)
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14:04.41ScurzIgel: what do you mean by "deprecated" ?
14:04.48ScurzIgel: for the new version ?
14:05.22TEXMqueso, that was an outdated page but here is something you might be interested in....http://www.freenas.org/
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14:15.48quesoTEXM: yeah, I've looked at that, but I don't want to have to build and set it up myself..
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14:20.46TEXMok
14:21.19TEXMqueso, where do you live ?
14:22.11quesoTEXM: near Chicago
14:22.18TEXMok
14:23.29quesoThere's a QNAP 2 bay personal cloud that some amazon reviewers say they use with linux devices, so maybe that would be fine. :)
14:23.49TEXMok
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14:25.12quesoah, it says it supports linux: https://www.qnap.com/i/useng/product/model.php?II=142&event=3
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14:25.46epsilonimho, NEVER use a NAS using ARM architecture
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14:28.41moldyiSlayWyverns: 64bit. not much difference.
14:29.03ChrisHqueso: the main question is: does it support NFS v3 and V4? does it offer SMB/CIFS or even iSCSI? Than you should be save on integrating it into your Linux environment.
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14:30.07quesoChrisH: That's a good point.  What's better for linux to linux communication?  NFS or SMB?
14:30.27moldyi would also consider using SSH
14:30.54markybob!sshfs
14:30.54dpkgsshfs is a <FUSE>-based filesystem using <SSH> for securely mounting remote resources.  See http://fuse.sf.net/sshfs.html and http://sf.net/apps/mediawiki/fuse?title=SshfsFaq for more information.  Remember to add yourself to the 'fuse' group.  If you have problems with stale sshfs mounts, set ServerAliveInterval 30 (for 30 seconds) in /etc/ssh/ssh_config or ~/.ssh/config.
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14:39.36BinBasherEh guys what's happening? is Iceweasel replaced by Firefox now?
14:39.46cra1g321lol
14:40.02jellyBinBasher: yes!
14:40.08monstercohi everyone - on a new install, it seems like my local-lvm is not mounted? why is that?
14:40.18BinBasherjelly: now the non sarcastic answer please
14:40.23jellyBinBasher: YES
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14:40.33markybobBinBasher: yes
14:40.39cra1g321why do you kepe iceweasel if you have firefox installed ?
14:40.40BinBasherWhy though
14:40.50BinBasherWhy would anyone do that
14:40.52BinBasher</3
14:41.16cra1g321also is this Firefox from debian repo ? a random PPA for ubuntu, some bin file stuck somwhere ???
14:41.50cra1g321oh my bad, i read that as if iceweasel had replaced firefox
14:41.54cra1g321hides
14:41.55BinBashercra1g321: I don't even know how I got it
14:41.58BinBasher^
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14:42.35BinBasherI came home with this surprise
14:42.49cra1g321hardly a big deal
14:43.06BinBasherbut...
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14:43.43cra1g321iceweasel is no longer needed now that firefox can be included in the debian repos, hence why it replaces iceweasel :)
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14:43.50cruncherin example, i keep iceweasel because some other packages are not yet changed to depend on firefox instead
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14:44.54BinBasherOh, all settings and history and stuff isn't gone.
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14:45.45cruncherand as its a transitional package anyway it doesnt hurt to keep it for the moment
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14:50.23BadCodSmellIsthere a way to download things on a minbase install of debian without curl, nc or wget?
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14:51.31blindyou could maybe use bash's /dev/tcp but that wouldn't be very comfortable.
14:52.00xaiblind: from http?
14:52.04xaisorry
14:52.06xaiBadCodSmell: from http?
14:52.09BadCodSmellwait maybe I am being really stupid
14:52.25BadCodSmellI am using wget -O - http://key | add-key -
14:52.33BadCodSmellmayb add key has a http handle let me check
14:53.00BadCodSmellnope :(
14:53.01xaiuses gpg --recv-key … && gpg --export … --armor | apt-key add -
14:53.05BadCodSmellbut there'#s the http apt methods
14:53.53xaiStop "add-key"? What is it?
14:53.58BadCodSmellSo you're using gpg's http wrapper then exporting it to apt-key?
14:54.00xai* Stop,
14:54.03BadCodSmellMy typo
14:54.18BadCodSmellapt-key add <file>
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14:54.59BadCodSmellAh you need a keyserver for gpg though
14:55.00xaiBadCodSmell: I use HKP
14:55.09BadCodSmellA bit of a pain to set up right now but probably the best long run solution
14:55.13xaiWell, there's a lot of public keyservers :)
14:55.25xaiAlso I have one own
14:55.45BadCodSmellIn the mean time I need to see how to get http to work on a minbase
14:55.57xaiBadCodSmell: What you have in this "minbase"?
14:56.13xaiAnd why http?
14:56.29BadCodSmellbecause I can't be bothered to set up a key server
14:56.38BadCodSmelland wait to avoid seeding the fs with files externally
14:56.43BadCodSmellplus it's a cool challenge TBH
14:56.56BadCodSmellDon't tell anyone
14:56.59xaiBadCodSmell: ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf is created automatically
14:57.05xaiIIRC it uses pgp.mit.edu
14:57.18BadCodSmellThere is no guarantee keys will be in public
14:57.31BadCodSmellIt's the kind of thing once I do that, might as well do it properly or not at all
14:57.42xaiBadCodSmell: I see. So, what do you have in the minbase? Do you have "bash"?
14:57.55BadCodSmellyes and perl but no good libs :(
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14:58.20xaiBadCodSmell: As "blind" said you can use /dev/tcp
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15:00.29BadCodSmellThat might work
15:00.30xaiBadCodSmell: Also if you have apt, you just can debianize you keyring and do apt-get install it
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15:01.18BadCodSmellI need the key in the first place though
15:02.42ChrisHqueso: depends.. I like NFS v3 if UIDs are equal on all sides. SMB allows to change User during mount. I personally have and had issues with NFSv4 and CIFS, NFSv3 worked allways
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15:03.55mangasdoes anyone know if there is a tarball version of openjdk ?
15:04.01mangassame used by debian
15:04.10mangasbut as a tarball instead of several deb packages
15:05.26Iridosthe source package has a tar of the source
15:05.45Iridosthey're then compiled into different binary packages
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15:06.13Iridosguess you could tar the contents of the packages yourself quite easily
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15:06.23Iridosbut not sure what the point of that would be
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15:06.48mangaswell the same installation type you achieve with oracle's jdk
15:06.53mangasyou just drop the contents
15:07.02mangassomewhere in the FS and then run java from there
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15:08.04mangasI was asking because no one provides these kind of packages so I wonder if it is possible todo without re-inventing the wheel
15:09.06dagerikthese ipv6 rules are causing ipv6 ping to not work: http://sprunge.us/APLc
15:10.18Daggerdagerik: `ip6tables -A INPUT -p icmpv6 -j ACCEPT`
15:10.34dagerikshouldnt the first rule allow icmpping?
15:10.53jellymangas: there seems to be a build available on the first page of google results for "openjdk"
15:11.09Daggeronly ICMPv6 in RELATED or ESTABLISHED state will match the first rule
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15:11.45mangasjelly: are you referring to this page ? http://openjdk.java.net/install/
15:11.46Dagger(at one stage there was a bug where all ICMPv6 traffic was in state INVALID, although I'm preeetty sure that's been fixed for a while now)
15:11.49jellymangas: nope
15:12.01jellymangas: try again! hint: it's not on java.net
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15:12.33jellymangas: the zulu thing.
15:12.39BadCodSmellI can't use /dev/tcp because I have no cat .....
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15:12.50mangasI got no zulu result
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15:13.13jellyhuh
15:13.41jellymangas: https://www.azul.com/products/zulu/ is the fourth result for me, right after java.net and wikipedia
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15:13.59jellydunno why your google is broken
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15:15.09mangasmine automatically picked up google.co.uk
15:15.26mangasprobably  sorted differently
15:15.34mangasstill thanks for letting me know
15:15.46jellyyou can work around that by going to google.com/ncr
15:16.06jellyI always forget they give different results for different countries
15:16.08mangasat some point I could see the lmgtfy url coming although I don't usually need help searching google
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15:16.35mangasnice trick there I will bookmark this one
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15:22.44bbtechCan anyone point me to up-to-date docs on hibernation? I'm trying to get it working on my lenovo t450 but having trouble figuring out where to start.
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15:26.38xaiBadCodSmell: https://dpaste.de/hioS
15:26.50Walexbbtech: hibernation is a lot less reliable than just sleep mode...
15:27.01ivanblagoevhello bought Samsung SSD drive but it has a password, can someone tell me how master passwords Samsung
15:27.16jazzhi there
15:27.22Walexbbtech: anyhow there is a site/wiki devoted to Linux/thinkpad issues
15:27.27jazzi'm stuck on that bug : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=762843
15:27.28juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/762843 in autofs (closed): «open_lookup:93: cannot open lookup module sss (/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/autofs/lookup_sss.so»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-09-25; last modified: 2015-06-06.
15:27.35jazzis there a way to get it re-opened ?
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15:27.59mtnivanblagoev: read the manual or documentation?
15:28.07bbtechWalex, Unfortunately, my battery can't make it through the night in sleep mode
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15:28.41ivanblagoevmtn but can not write anywhere and very tired looking and I thought someone here might know
15:28.52Walexivanblagoev: 'hdparm --security-erase' resets the encryption password
15:29.00ivanblagoevnot work ....
15:29.06Walexivanblagoev: https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/SSD_Secure_Erase
15:29.10mtnah, not work
15:29.25xaiBadCodSmell: Here's the result: https://dpaste.de/QcAB
15:29.36Walexivanblagoev: it *must* be unlocked, it *must* be unfrozen
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15:30.05ivanblagoevhdderase not working ....
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15:30.09Walexivanblagoev: to ensure that it may be necessary to suspend/resume or to connect the drive via an external dock/interface
15:30.16xaiblind: What you think about the above solution? :)
15:30.55ivanblagoevcan you help me find the master password
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15:31.19Walexivanblagoev: that usually is impossible
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15:31.51Walexivanblagoev: unless you can take apart the drive and you have an advanced electronics lab
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15:33.39blindxai: It's neat... but it doesn't seem to work for me :(
15:34.00xaiblind: why?
15:34.06blindjust exits with status 100 after doing the 100 Capabilities part
15:34.12xaiHm. Strange.
15:34.15chocolate_milkI am trying to install Debian for the first time. I'm booting from a DVD with a burned image of 8.5.0. I verified the image, and the burn to disk. I'm having problems at the GRUB install stage. I used basically standard options during install. When I use the grub> command line packaged with the installer, I find that ls (hd1, gpt3) gives an error: unknown filesystem. Any  ideas?
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15:34.53xaiblind: The documentation about methods interface of apt: http://www.fifi.org/doc/libapt-pkg-doc/method.html/ch2.html
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15:35.10xaiblind: Did you try as in https://dpaste.de/QcAB ?
15:35.38blindyeah I copied it exactly and then when it didn't work I tried with a different URL and filename but no dice
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15:35.52xaiok :(
15:36.11blindI really like the concept though
15:36.13NoImNotNineVoltso, anyone familiar with dh-systemd (or debhelper in general)? if i include several debian/*.service files in my package, will they all get installed?
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15:36.48NoImNotNineVoltor does only debian/${package_name}.service get installed?
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15:37.39NoImNotNineVolt(i've got one package, one binary that runs in various configurations to provide different services)
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15:38.10BinBasherWhat are valid reasons to remove rsyslog?
15:38.40jhutchinsBinBasher: You're using something else to provide the syslog service?
15:39.10BinBasherjhutchins: nope
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15:41.36jellyBinBasher: why do you ask?
15:42.45jellyseems like an unusual question, without context
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15:45.22electsleeperhey there! I've got jessie installed and I'm trying to write to an SD card but it keeps failing. Any ideas on where to start troubleshooting?
15:45.44xaielectsleeper: What does it report?
15:46.21electsleeperjust hangs basically
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15:46.45xaielectsleeper: dmesg?
15:47.14epsilonis the SD card write protected?
15:47.45electsleepernope
15:47.48electsleeperone sec
15:48.18NoImNotNineVoltso, no packaging people around? :P
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15:49.27jellydpkg, tell NoImNotNineVolt about mentors
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15:52.59Hobbes`Is it possible to have an X app "class" in Xresources/Xdefaults inherit+extend the settings from a different class?
15:53.21Hobbes`I have customised some XTerm settings... and now want a different class of XTerm to inherit those settings and have a bunch of other settings added to it.
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16:00.04electsleeperokay, fresh new SD card
16:00.28electsleeperI've split a large file in chunks and trying to copy it over
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16:01.51jellyHobbes`: take a look at how /etc/X11/app-defaults/UXTerm does it, maybe?
16:02.47NoImNotNineVoltindeed
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16:03.53NoImNotNineVolti feel bad abusing the oftc/mentors community for help with making packages for internal use (not destined for the debian repos)
16:04.59Hobbes`jelly thanks!
16:05.05electsleepermeh, hope it stays like this.. It kept doing it consistently and dmesg wasn't reporting anything.
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16:06.01Dontclicklinkshttp://goo.gl/iFqDKY help me with this pls
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16:07.52xaielectsleeper: Hangs and empty in dmesg, right? How do you detect the hanging? How long are you waiting?
16:08.00bbtechWalex, I'm beginning to think that I can't resume from hibernation because I have an encrypted disk
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16:08.59electsleeperlong enough.. and I was copying over with both rsync and thunar, the first reported errors and the second stopped around 90%
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16:09.37electsleeperI'm copying over data right now so can't test it any further, will check again later
16:09.52xaielectsleeper: What errors?
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16:11.42electsleeperclosed the window, so can't remember off the top of my head
16:12.02electsleeperit's copying over data happily now, could be just corrupted card
16:12.08electsleeperwill report back once I have more info
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16:13.00BadCodSmellbash's /dev/tcp worked beautifully thanks
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16:23.59jellyNoImNotNineVolt: you'll have to adopt a debian package to work that guilt off
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16:29.19antosamalonahello there
16:29.33antosamalonaI have a quetion
16:29.51antosamalonacould I packaging zip file to deb?
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16:50.06winsenHi all
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17:05.51leba2Can logitech wireless headset h600 work on opensuse, does anyone know?
17:06.01leba2Can logitech wireless headset h600 work on debian, does anyone know?
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17:08.02dimitry7Hi guys, I have a dhcp with static IPs assigned for specific MAC addresses, (150 hosts avarage), now I have reordered my IPs in the dhcpd.conf file
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17:08.41dimitry7what can I do for clients to take their new IP with no interruption? just replace the old file with the new one or is there something else to do?
17:08.55dimitry7what about the leases file? .. thank you!
17:09.08greycatWhat do you mean, "new IP"?
17:10.39greycatDid you simply reorder the lines, or did you actually change which MACs get which IPs?
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17:12.48dimitry7greycat, yes I reordered the IPs, the macs are the same, just the IPs changed
17:13.02greycat... you are using English words, but you are not speaking English.
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17:13.27greycatSo you CHANGED the mapping from MAC to IP, *not* merely reordered lines.
17:13.37dimitry7greycat, okay
17:13.44greycatIn that case, wait for the current leases to expire, and the clients will get the new IPs.
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17:13.44dimitry7I changed the mapping, right
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17:13.56dimitry7oh okay, so there is nothing else to do
17:13.59dimitry7thank you greycat
17:14.48Spr1ngIf anybody has used fail2ban and knows how to reduce the frequency of emailed notifications I am all ears as to how you accomplished that.
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17:15.10kravit's all python. you should be able to modify it as you choose :P
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17:17.24NoImNotNineVoltyou mean you want batched email alerts? i don't think fail2ban does that, but i could be wrong.
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17:17.48NoImNotNineVoltyou could always write a batching smtp relay or something like that to point it at.
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17:18.00NoImNotNineVoltassuming one doesn't already exist.
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17:18.05Spr1ngYe, batched would be good.
17:18.18deepyOr you could switch what sends the notification, at work we have some system that every day mails the log files
17:18.30NoImNotNineVoltor that.
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17:18.37Spr1ngIt uses sendmail so thinking applying some kind of batch limitation at that level might work....hmmm
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17:18.52greycatThat's insane.
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17:20.26mbn_18Hi, I cant type hebrew letter into mysql docker. the docker is debian 7 and when I click a hebrew letter in the shell I hear beep and nothing change.
17:20.28mbn_18I installed locales and used locale-gen to add he_IL.utf8 and exported it. but nothing change (beside locale showing that he_IL.utf8 exist)
17:20.30mbn_18Any idea?
17:21.19mbn_18Maybe some kind of char map is missing?
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17:22.41greycatDid you change your SHELL's locale too, or just install a new locale for future logins?
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17:22.55greycatThe 'locale' command shows your current locale.
17:23.05mbn_18greycat: -> export LC_ALL=he_IL.utf8
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17:23.19mbn_18Yes, its a copy paste from locale output
17:23.56mbn_18And showing locale again list he_IL.utf8 as the default
17:23.57greycatI don't know all of the layers involved here.  Maybe you still need to logout and back in, or something equivalent.
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17:25.31mbn_18problematic. docker will die. Will try go around using external client. thx
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17:26.02greycatIf it dies when you disconnect, I have to wonder why so many people use it.
17:26.20greycatEvery time I see a question involving docker, I just get more and more put off by it.  Never used it myself.  Not planning to.
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17:29.23GooseYArdit has a bad smell about it
17:29.35wintersshi goose
17:29.38wintersshow are you?
17:30.15GooseYArdnot too shabby, how bout you?
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17:37.56parHey! What is the actual difference between these two different versions of packages? I compared /lib/firmware/bnx2 and they are identical. https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-bnx2 and https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/firmware-bnx2
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17:38.26parI thought updating this package from backports might solve some of my network card issues, but they look identical to me
17:38.33wintersshi
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17:44.20abrotmanpar: no changelog in the package?
17:44.46abrotmanpar: http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-nonfree_0.43~bpo70+1_changelog
17:45.00abrotmanyou'll have to look at actual version strings to know which two you're comparing
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17:52.06NoImNotNineVoltoftc is being very awesome to me today.
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17:56.00abrotmanwinterss: please stop that
17:56.14abrotmanwinterss: we can see you, if you have a question, just ask
17:56.22winterssok
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18:03.00leba2I apologize for the line before. I wanted to ask if logitech wireless headset h600 could work on *general* linux, because each distro seems to be one different story and I think debian is at least LONG classic...
18:03.01leba2Thanks
18:04.48parabrotman: thanks, I've seen the changelog, they are different, but the actual firmware files are identical. Actually everything between these two packages file-wise are identical except for changelog. I must be going stupid.
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18:06.31abrotmanmd5sum ?
18:06.42leba2Or at least if they'd work on debian...
18:07.06greycatpar: well, what did the changelog say has changed?
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18:09.45jo34what's that dns resolving client that you can specify a specific dns server " * -r 127.0.0.1:54"
18:09.54jo34it may come with dnscrypt or unbound...
18:10.05H4ndydig?
18:10.09greycatjo34: host and dig can both be told which resolver to use
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18:10.28greycatpretty much every tool that's designed to query DNS can be told which resolver
18:13.10pargreycat: lot's of things changed according to the changelog. it's versions 0.36 to 0.42
18:13.10parbut I md5sumed https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/firmware-bnx2/filelist
18:13.10H4ndyGuess it's waiting for Debian 9 to get HTTP/2. Meh.
18:13.10parto https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/all/firmware-bnx2/filelist
18:13.10parand the main folders /lib/firmware/bnx2/ match
18:13.11parI would assume this is where the actual firmware binaries are
18:13.11leba2Ouch, guess no one has used logitech headsets.....
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18:15.23tinyhippoI had a server that was configured with a  static IP of 192.168.1.10, which has now been moved to 1.11, and a new server in its place has been given a static IP of 1.10, I can acess the internal network, but not externally - any ideas why that would be?
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18:15.51jo34good enough until I remember lol. resolved my issue.
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18:17.33teraflopstinyhippo: who knows... Nat? Firewall? Dns?
18:18.10wintersshi
18:18.11tinyhippoteraflops: could NAT be mac address based rather than IP based?
18:18.44teraflopstinyhippo: why do you ask that question?
18:19.15mbn_18greycat: Docker is awsome. on any modern linux env I can dl the exact server I wish and work it. Mobilizing software is so much easier. and dev/production is practically identical. thats a huge advantage
18:19.42tinyhippoteraflops: the new server works when it is on 1.9, but not on 1.10, the old server works on both 1.10 and 1.11
18:19.57greycatmbn_18: do you have to reinstall the docker-server every time you log out of it?
18:20.00tinyhippothere's nothing special running on either of them
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18:21.37teraflopstinyhippo: mind describing a bit more your lan? I really have no idea unless you give more details and asking/guessing game annoys me
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18:22.42figlfdevwhats the *closest thing* debian has to a roadmap? or is that just silly talk?
18:23.02figlfdevfound a pretty clear reply to this question from 2003, but is looking for something more recent and coming up empty
18:23.09greycatA timeline for the next release, based on emails.
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18:23.25greycathttps://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch
18:23.45figlfdevyeah, i figured. second question: how do execs "sell" debian to higher-ups, given that they cant say "when its ready"
18:23.52greycatThe wiki is very, very bare and incomplete.  Most of the real work happens on mailing lists.
18:24.00figlfdevthis is NOT a critique of the release cycle, which i have never had a problem with.
18:24.17greycatWhy would higher-ups care about upcoming releases?  The selling point for Debian is stability.
18:24.18figlfdevthere must be a way, if its on the ISS.
18:24.34figlfdevhigher-ups care about peculiar, irrelevant things afaik.
18:24.35greycatThe ISS wouldn't use the next release, and probably not even the CURRENT release.
18:24.40greycatThey'd stick with an oldstable.
18:24.44figlfdevno, they use squeeze
18:24.57figlfdevi get you.
18:25.08greycatThere's a story somewhere about a space mission that intentionally used an older release of Debian because they considered it more stable.
18:25.39greycatThere are a LOT of wheezy servers in the wild.
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18:25.47greycatPlenty of people are scared to upgrade to jessie.
18:25.50tinyhippoteraflops: I don't really know the lan very well, new company, first task is replace server X out of hours, everyone else has gone home - however I've spoofed the mac address of the old server to de:ad:be:ef:ca:fe and the new server to the mac of the old server and it seems to work now, therefore something is fucky.
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18:26.00tinyhippo(it works now I've done the hacky spoofing)
18:26.59par\o 2000 wheezy machines here
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18:31.39figlfdevthanks
18:31.40teraflopstinyhippo: ah that said i never heard of nat based on mac since mac is ip layer and is not aware of mac addresses
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18:48.09partinyhippo: wireshark to the rescue
18:48.13stackhi, the net installer froze when downloading packages, <ESC> does nothing, but I can access the console, is that possible to kill that part and/or reconfigure the wlan network interface?
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18:57.41CyberJacobWhoever was helping with my RAID problems the other day, I got it sorted in the end
18:57.46CyberJacobcan't remember your name, sorry
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19:26.08CyberJacobNoImNotNineVolt: Thanks for your help the other day
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19:28.45takowow iceweasel our Firefox Esr in
19:28.52takoout*
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19:31.16TomTomToschyeah, it's only firefox now.
19:32.51greycatbravely (or stupidly) does an "apt-get install iceweasel" to see what happens
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19:33.54takogreycat, why its stable isnt it ?
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19:35.03greycatWe'll see.
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19:53.21BinBasherDoes anyone use scallion (the onion hasher)?
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20:17.10greycatWell, the URL bar is much smaller in Firefox ESR.  URLs that I actually use and edit like http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/ex.html no longer fit.
20:17.33greycatI very frequently edit the command name directly in the URL bar to get to a different command's docs.
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20:21.49Killaklowndumb question alert.... since the debian founder died... who maintains/devs and continues on ?
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20:22.40greycatDebian is a very large organization of developers, under a written constitution.  Ian hadn't personally directed the project for many years.
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20:24.42greycatThey elect a new president once a year or so.
20:24.50TomTomToschhe was working at docker iirc.
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20:27.27Killaklownok thanks guys
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20:32.25calebwillgreycat: i move the firefox search bar into the hamburger button menu so that the location bar is longer
20:34.02greycatHow does one do that?
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20:35.01axc1298greycat: click the menu, click customize, and drag the search bar into the menu
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20:36.28greycatok, thanks
20:36.48axc1298it doesn't make the search field any longer for me. but i'm on firefox release
20:36.57DoyleHey. Does anyone know of a service that runs on a local box, monitors other services, and generates an http page with a status? A status endpoint basically. I could hack one together pretty quick, but if something exists, I'd rather use that
20:37.19greycatNo, that's a vast improvement already.  I never ever EVER use that little search bar thing.  I just use the URL bar with a single-letter customized search engine keyword.
20:37.29greycatlike 'g' for google
20:38.18calebwillDoyle: you've sorta just described nagios. there are others too, and a bunch of them use common monitoring plugins
20:38.52DoyleYea, nagios, prometheus, stage monitor, signalfx...
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20:39.28DoyleBut just a stand alone service to create an http endpoint for healthchecks...
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20:41.46greycatAre you sure lightdm is what's running, and not some other display manager?  Check "systemctl status lightdm.service" and so on.
20:42.01awwalI had to install another DM (wdm) select it as default when dpkg prompt then disable both lightdm and wdm (systemctl disable). Now both are disabled and able to use startx
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20:42.10Doyleawwal, if /etc/init/lightdm exists, do 'echo  "manual" | sudo tee -a /etc/init/lightdm.override'
20:42.19awwalgreycat, yes, only lightdm
20:42.34greycatwhat
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20:43.00greycatI'm thinking "/etc/init/" is not the path you wanted.
20:43.09awwalDoyle, I have seen that somewhere in askubuntu but havent tried it
20:43.48DoyleIs it upstart?
20:43.55awwal" Now I solved the problem as I said I had to install another DM (wdm) select it as default when dpkg prompt then disable both lightdm and wdm (systemctl disable). Now both are disabled and able to use startx"
20:44.09awwaloh, no. pure debian xfce+systemd
20:44.21Doylesystemctl disable service.service
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20:44.57Doylesystemctl is-enabled service.service ot see if service is running... The systemctl cmds didn't have any luck for you?
20:45.09Doyle*check if is enabled... not running
20:45.14calebwillawwal: so what does "systemctl status lightdm" say? also "systemctl get-default"?
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20:46.11awwalwith only lightdm as display manager installed it wont disable using systemctl disable lightdm.service (as root, of course) but after installing wdm systemctl disable lighdm.service worked, worked also for wdm. now both DM are disabled
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20:46.25awwalboth disabled calebwill, :P
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20:47.27calebwillawwal: is this on jessie by the way? systemd this concept of targets, so you could also have tried using the multi-user.target instead of graphical.target
20:47.29awwalso wondering why lightdm is started even after executing systemctl disable lightdm
20:47.43awwaljessie, yeah
20:47.45r3ply`Hello, I have a 32bit PC with Intel GMA500 graphics. After installing debian 8.5, i am getting no video output. The system is running ok, I'm able to ssh to it, just nothing on the monitor, do i have to do something to install the drivers etc?
20:47.56calebwillawwal: it's hard to say when you don't show us pastes of the status
20:48.11Lemonade1947Anyone can help me, I need two display adapters, just installed debian today. Somewhat familiar with basic linux use, but never this.
20:48.42calebwillr3ply`: there aren't free drivers for that GPU. You may be able to get something working with a tarball download from Intel's website.
20:49.12awwalone minute I paste
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20:49.34Lemonade1947Extra information: The drivers are installed properly, was able to identify both GPUs with aticonfig
20:49.35cachSomeone has Debian stickers and free software to send me in Brazil
20:49.48awwali'm in my jessie now but talking bout another jessie, anothe machine :P
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20:51.23cachThe file with art sticker already help
20:51.32awwalpaste.debian.net/735716
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20:51.47awwalstrange :P both are loaded but inactive
20:52.22r3ply`calebwill, thinking about what you said, i did about 10 seconds of internet research, it appears that ubuntu has a driver for this hardware, is it possible to just use that one?
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20:52.57calebwillr3ply`: you cannot use Ubuntu packages in Debian
20:53.13cachThe file with art sticker already help
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20:53.27awwalwhen disabled with systemctl disable ...  they souldn't be loaded at all, eh?
20:53.39calebwillawwal: thanks. loaded/inactive is normal for a disabled service. it would have been interesting to see the status when it was disabled but still starting on boot
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20:54.59Lemonade1947Can anyone help me?
20:55.24awwalcalebwill, long time I havent disabled a service so I forgot how it works ( I mean what output one get with status) :D
20:55.50awwalit's like if only 1 DM is installed , it wont disable.
20:56.24awwalwill have to remove wdm and enable lightdm again . hopefully I'll get same issue
20:56.29calebwillawwal: that is curious, i would have liked to see the status of lightdm before you installed wdm. but if it's working for you now, no sense in messing with it
20:56.58calebwillLemonade1947: you haven't really said what kind of problem you're having, just that you want to use two graphics cards at the same time
20:57.36awwalcalebwill, my machine is old so slow boot. give me a few minutes I'll remove wdm, enable lightdm, try to disable it and I may reproduce again
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20:58.40awwalanyway, when I had only lightdm and disabled it, systemctl status show that its loaded and running, and at boot I get the lightdm login screen :P
20:58.42Lemonade1947calebwill, I have the drivers working for both cards (Integrated and discrete) I just don't know how to get the OS to put stuff on the other two screens.
20:58.45calebwillr3ply`: probably your best bet is to make an xorg.conf that uses fbdev. Trying to get the gma500/poulsbo driver install will likely end in tears
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20:59.24calebwillawwal: there's also a "systemctl list-dependencies" command that might help you figure it out. (along with get-default)
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20:59.39r3ply`calebwill, your recommendation to make an xorg.conf is related to this page?: https://wiki.debian.org/IntelEmbeddedMediaGraphicsDriver
21:00.17calebwillr3ply`: no that page is the opposite of my recommendation.
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21:02.55calebwillr3ply`: try putting this http://paste.debian.net/735752/ in a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
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21:08.43awwalwdm purged, lightdm enabled and started/running. will disable it (systemctl disable lightdm.service) and reboot and see if its really disabled. http://paste.debian.net/735793
21:08.58awwalnot sure if I'll have same problem as before
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21:10.58awwalhm, lightdm loaded, and I see the login screen :D
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21:12.04calebwillawwal: so what does "systemctl status lightdm" say now?
21:12.14awwalsure,
21:13.10awwalhttp://paste.debian.net/735794
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21:13.20well_laid_lawn2
21:13.22awwalcalebwill, ^
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21:14.40awwalI got confused, it's lxde /task-desktop-lxde) not xfce
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21:15.26calebwillawwal: hmmm... i think i don't understand what the "static" means in the Loaded: line
21:15.32awwalI really dont understand why lightdm wont disable when it's the only DM installed.
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21:15.43calebwillawwal: what does "systemctl --reverse list-dependencies lightdm" say
21:15.45awwalcalebwill, no clue here too :D
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21:15.49Akuwi am trying to use this command    scanimage -d `kds:i1210/i1220' > kj.jpg  but i got  >  prompt
21:16.07greycatAkuw: your quotes are wrong.  Use two ' quotes, not one ` and one '
21:16.08awwalI wonder if task-desktop-lxde is involved in the problem :P
21:16.53thneeI did purge ruby, autoremove --purge, and installed ruby again. Now 'gem' says: "<internal:gem_prelude>:1:in `require': cannot load such file -- rubygems.rb (LoadError)" :(
21:16.58calebwillawwal: okay, static means "this service unit doesn't have an [Install] section"
21:17.02awwalhttp://paste.debian.net/735815
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21:17.05Akuwdocumentation told  http://www.sane-project.org/man/scanimage.1.html
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21:17.27awwalcalebwill, and what that means?
21:17.27Akuwscanimage: open of device kds:i1210/i1220 failed: Invalid argument
21:17.44calebwillawwal: so you could "systemctl mask lightdm"
21:18.04Akuwscanimage -L   output   device `kds:i1210/i1220' is a KODAK i1210/i1220 Virtual Device
21:18.23awwalcalebwill, let me check man systemctl for understand what mask does exactly :P
21:18.31greycatAkuw: the quotes it uses for decoation on its output are not necessarily suitable for input to a shell command.
21:18.42Akuwhummm
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21:19.06Akuwgreycat: do you know something about scanners on linux?
21:19.08calebwillawwal: in a systemd unit the [Install] section is where you put stuff like WantedBy. In this case it's missing for lightdm.service, but this unit is depended on by the graphical.target
21:19.10greycatNope!
21:19.16greycatI only know about shell quoting.
21:19.25Akuwnice
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21:20.01awwalcalebwill, sound like chinese for me, but I think I get you :P
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21:21.16awwalcalebwill, in man systemctl I see about mask "This honors the --runtime option to only mask temporarily until the next reboot of the system."
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21:21.57awwalso systemctl mask lightdm.service will prevent it from starting but no for being loaded when next boot, eh?
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21:23.03awwalprevent it from starting temporarily until next reboot, eh?
21:24.18teraflopsawwal: mask is forever
21:24.27teraflopsunless you unmask it
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21:25.15awwalteraflops, so what "This honors the --runtime option to only mask temporarily until the next reboot of the system." means ?
21:26.21teraflopsno idea
21:26.29teraflopsawwal: also try it and see
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21:27.08awwalBut why if I install wdm and choose it as default DM then disable lightdm, lightdm is effectively disabled? also wdm is disabled if requested :P
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21:27.26awwalok, going to disable and mask lightdm, reboot and see
21:27.33calebwillawwal: that means if you use --runtime then it will not be masked on reboot
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21:27.53awwalcalebwill, ok, got it
21:28.04awwalsu
21:28.19awwaloh, confusinf debian channel with terminal :D
21:28.31Akuwok, finally scanning from Kodak i1210 :)
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21:32.00awwalJust playing with systemctl&lightdm : when I run systemctl enable lightdm.service I get  http://paste.debian.net/735846
21:32.35awwalnow disabling and masking :P
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21:37.37awwalsystemctl disable lightdm.service  then  systemctl mask lightdm.service had no effect. lightdm still loaded :D http://paste.debian.net/735857
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21:39.19awwalseems that the work around is install wdm and disable them both for be able to get out of lightdm
21:39.43awwaland use startx
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21:39.58awwalIs this a bug in lightdm, systemd or ....?
21:40.37calebwillawwal: it's probably something we don't understand in systemd. when a service is masked it's supposed to be a symlink to /dev/null (i thought)
21:41.07awwalthats what I see in manual yes
21:41.43calebwillawwal: is there a /etc/systemd/system/lightdm.service that points to /dev/null?
21:42.03awwalhow to check that?
21:42.20calebwillawwal: "ls -l /etc/systemd/system/lightdm.service"
21:43.33awwalls -l /etc/systemd/system/lightdm.service   ------»  lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jun 10 17:29 /etc/systemd/system/lightdm.service -> /dev/null
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21:43.58Akuwwhat is the debian mail reader ?
21:44.10Akuwi see thunderbord is not in the repos
21:45.13teraflopsyou meant thunderbird?
21:45.14Akuwthunderbirth
21:45.16Akuwsorry
21:45.21teraflopsok
21:45.28Akuwthunderbird
21:45.36awwalDoyle, and no I dont have lightdm in /etc/init  http://paste.debian.net/735869
21:45.39calebwillawwal: http://paste.debian.net/735868/ <-- this is what it looks like if i mask apache2
21:45.58teraflopsAkuw: icedove iirc
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21:46.00calebwillawwal: /etc/init is used by upstart, not by systemd
21:46.03teraflops,v icedove
21:46.04juddPackage: icedove on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 38.8.0-1~deb7u1.1; jessie: 38.8.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 38.8.0-1~deb8u1; sid: 1:45.1.0-1; stretch: 1:45.1.0-1; experimental: 1:45.2~b1-1
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21:46.49teraflopsawwal: but that's not the debian email reader, icedove is just another email reader
21:46.50awwalcalebwill, ok
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21:46.56Doyleawwal, you're on systemd, so you wouldn't
21:47.02Doylethat would be for upstart
21:47.22DoyleThink about uninstalling lightdm entirely?
21:47.37awwalcalebwill, so you got an output when you executed systemctl mask apache2 ? (Created symlink from /etc/systemd/system/apache2.service to /dev/null.)
21:47.58awwalme I havent got an output when I did systemctl mask lightdm.service
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21:48.04calebwillawwal: yes. did you not get that with "systemctl mask lightdm" ?
21:48.10awwalno
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21:49.14calebwillawwal: and did you reboot or run "systemctl daemon-reload" after masking lightdm?
21:49.30awwalcalebwill, of course :P
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21:50.26awwalthinking if task-desktop or something else is related making lightdm mandatory :P
21:50.56calebwillawwal: you could try "systemctl set-default multi-user.target" (instead of using graphical.target)
21:52.09calebwillawwal: /etc/systemd should take priority over /lib/systemd. Did you use --runtime when you masked it?
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21:53.11awwalcalebwill, not just mask. we understood that  --runtime if for mask until next boot :P
21:53.39awwaljust used systemctl mask lightdm
21:54.04awwalcalebwill , Just run  systemctl set-default multi-user.target  or what?
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21:54.42calebwillawwal: you can compare the list-dependencies output for multi-user.target and graphical.target if you want
21:54.45awwalchecking the man seems i have to run systemctl set-default multi-user.target lightdm.service ?
21:55.05cach/j #gnuart
21:55.20calebwillawwal: no you don't need lightdm.service as part of that command
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21:58.37awwalcalebwill, list-deps outputs http://paste.debian.net/735871
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21:58.52awwalno clue what to check exactly there :P
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21:59.10calebwillawwal: you want to check that multi-user.target starts everything you want started
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22:00.43awwalstarting to be lost calebwill :P
22:01.34de-factois there an easy way to clone one jessie vps to another vps? i thought about installing the target, then boot from an emergency cd, nuke the fs and rsync the source over that partition, would that work when i adjust just the uuids in fstab?
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22:02.21awwalso if i run systemctl set-default multi-user.target only the multi-user.target services will be loaded and not the graphical ones? calebwill
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22:03.15calebwillawwal: yes, targets are a little like runlevels. if the default target is multi-user.target on boot systemd will only start what multi-user.target depends on.
22:03.32calebwillawwal: this still doesn't answer why "systemctl mask lightdm" did not actually mask the service
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22:04.14awwalcalebwill, no idea
22:05.31awwalso I have to compare the 2 list multi user and graphical targets and find if i set  multi user as default? calebwill
22:05.49calebwillawwal: the only way i get reproduce that (using different service) is to mask the service while it is still running
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22:06.16calebwillawwal: you don't have to.. i'm saying look at the output of those commands to understand what each target will load
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22:06.58awwalcalebwill, ok,
22:07.10mutantejust upgrade an iceweasel on stretch and ..bam i have Firefox again. after 10 years , and it almost feels wrong now, haha, but congrats to Mozilla agreement
22:07.27mutantewas surprised by it.. wtf its firefox :)
22:07.39awwalI dont execute commands just bcoz of executing them, calebwill :P
22:07.58awwalcalebwill, ok, going to mask lightdm while is running now
22:09.04awwalcalebwill, disable then mask or just mask? or it doesnt matter?
22:09.18awwalmask will disable anyway, eh?
22:10.08awwali mean mask = disable+mask, eh
22:10.12awwal?
22:10.20calebwillawwal: you need to use mask because the lightdm.service is missing an [Install] section. systemd is not supposed to load masked units (which are links to /dev/null)
22:11.11calebwillawwal: disable is unnecessary when you mask something
22:11.25awwalcalebwill, ok I just masked lightdm.service but no output :P
22:12.17awwalrebooting and see...
22:12.22calherIs Firefox GNU FSDG-compliant now?
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22:13.58awwalcalebwill, no chance :P lightdm still loaded
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22:14.55awwalwhat is the install section exactly?
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22:16.28calebwillawwal: it's covered in the systemd.unit man page. "systemctl status lightdm" still says "Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/lightdm.service; masked)" and /etc/systemd/system/lightdm.service is still a symlink to /dev/null?
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22:16.47nyrkhi, can someone point me to : how to have debian jessie boot from partition bootloader ?
22:17.38nyrkin debian 7 we used extlinux, it was fine, but there's less than no support in jessie, and grub seems to be unable to install itself in partition, so any help ?
22:17.39awwalcalebwill, yes http://paste.debian.net/735916
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22:18.10calebwillawwal: what happens if you "systemctl stop lightdm"?
22:18.47awwalcalebwill, let me logout from X and check
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22:22.42awwalcalebwill, ok, logged out from X and started X with startx in tty1 the stoped lightdm
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22:22.56awwallightdm is stoped fine
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22:24.04calebwillawwal: what does the status say?
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22:25.00awwalpaste.debian.net/735968
22:25.05awwalcalebwill
22:25.22calebwillawwal: also "systemctl start lightdm" should say "Failed to start lightdm.service: Unit lightdm.service is masked."
22:25.44awwallet me try :P
22:26.07calebwillawwal: you're using systemd 215 right?
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22:29.26awwalcalebwill, lightdm is started just fine :P http://paste.debian.net/735991
22:31.08awwalnow i have to X sessions. fvwm started with startx and running in tty1, and another session of fvwm running in tty7 started by lightdm :D
22:32.35awwalcalebwill, so masked havent did it's job, seems
22:33.07awwal"mask" havent did its job ^
22:34.05calebwillawwal: something is fishy. A masked service for me shows " Loaded: masked (/dev/null)", but for you it shows a path to the unit in /lib, with a status masked
22:34.16linuxthefishvery fishy
22:34.33awwalIf systemctl has masked it really, I souldn't be able to start it regarding what man says. I dont get output when executing systemctl mask lightdm.service  . something is missing here :P
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22:36.14awwalNo clue what happens exactly
22:36.32awwaldpkg can do something in this case?
22:36.34dpkgawwal: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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22:36.45calebwillawwal: is it creating the symlink in /etc/systemd/system/lightdm.service?
22:37.27awwalcalebwill, who and when?
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22:37.51awwalsystemctl when enabling?
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22:38.27awwalok, got you now
22:38.31awwallet me check
22:38.32calebwillawwal: "systemctl mask ..." should create /etc/systemd/system/lightdm.service which is a symlink to /dev/null
22:38.35calebwilldoes that happen?
22:39.37awwalas I told you, I dont get output when I execute systemctl mask lightdm.service  but let me  ls etc systemd system
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22:41.01awwalcalebwill, i see lightdm.service there http://paste.debian.net/736026
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22:42.02calebwillawwal: you need to use ls -l to see what the symlink points to.
22:43.22awwalcalebwill , same as what I pasted before  "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jun 10 17:29 /etc/systemd/system/lightdm.service -> /dev/null"
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22:44.06calebwillawwal: i'm going to try and reproduce this with lightdm in a VM
22:44.20awwalcalebwill, ok
22:45.01awwalcalebwill, while you do that, I go smoke one :P  brb
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22:56.15awwalcalebwill, reproducible there?
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22:57.44calebwillawwal: the VM is still installing lxde
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22:58.23awwalcalebwill, ok
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23:01.00awwalcalebwill, here is task-lxde-desktop, not only lxde meta pkg. dont know if it matters
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23:02.46awwalsince that task recommends lightdm | x-display-manager
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23:03.57awwalcurious why lightdm is a recommend for task-lxde-desktop but a dependency for task-xfce-desktop
23:05.29calebwillawwal: so if you run "systemctl unmask lightdm" does it say Removed symlink /etc/systemd/system/lightdm.service.?
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23:09.01calebwillawwal: okay, the VM still loads and starts lightdm.service even when it is masked
23:09.05awwalcalebwill, curious, now I get output masking and unmasking http://paste.debian.net/736058
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23:09.58awwalcalebwill, ok, so you have reproduced the problem
23:10.59calebwillawwal: do you have a /etc/systemd/system/display-manager.service ?
23:11.55awwalno that I get output (creating and removing the symlinks) when i run systemctl mask or unmask lightdm.service lightdm may not be loaded anymore if I mask it again and reboot
23:12.24awwalcalebwill, let me check
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23:13.58calebwillawwal: aha.. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 Jun 10 19:13 display-manager.service -> /lib/systemd/system/lightdm.service
23:14.18awwalcalebwill, no, no trace of display-manager.service in systemd/system
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23:16.03awwalcalebwill, the symlink of mask is effectively created and removed now here only after I masked, rebooted, stoped and started lightdm
23:16.25awwalyou may reproduce that there too
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23:17.17awwalgoing to mask lightdm again, reboot and see now if its effectively disabled /masked
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23:19.41awwalafter removing the symlink (unmask), systemctl wont mask anymore :P
23:19.53tzicaapache2ctl -S shouldn't show all vhosts ? including https ?
23:21.33calebwillawwal: it's not clear to me why the masked service is still starting. have you tried "systemctl set-default multi-user.target"?
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23:23.03awwalcalebwill, not yet
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23:23.25awwaltrying to mask it again and get systemctl create the symlink
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23:24.05calebwillawwal: i think there is something else starting the unit, but i haven't figured it out. multi-user.target probably does what you want though
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23:25.23awwalcalebwill, rebooting after masking. then i'll stop the service and start it again and maybe i'll get systemctl creating the symlink as before
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23:27.58de-factowhat weird units for "G" does the debian installer use? 2^30 or 10^9 bytes? how can i use 2^30 bytes? this screwed up my install :(
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23:29.35de-factocan i tell the installer for partitioning the size in bytes instead of those?
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23:33.35awwalcalebwill, mask creates the symlink only if I stop lightdm and start it again, but lightdm still loaded :p
23:33.44tomreynyou can always partition first from a live cd, then use the installer
23:33.59calebwillawwal: yeah something else we haven't found is starting lightdm. use the multi-user.target
23:34.22de-factotomreyn yeah thats what i thought too, i think i would have to go this route :(
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23:35.45tomreynor use the gparted live cd if you already installed
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23:37.35de-factoyeah but why does the debian installer use such weird (useless) units? for example if i want to have swap two times physical memory its not possible with this installer...
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23:38.17awwalcalebwill, yes, comparing the multi user .target and the graphical one...
23:38.30tomreyni'm not saying it does, i just don't know
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23:39.19awwalcalebwill, you may be tired now :D
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23:40.29calebwillawwal: i would like to understand why masking the service doesn't work. i suspect it has something to do with Debian packaging or the alternatives system (to make sure that a DM is started no matter which one it is).
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23:41.35awwalcalebwill, thats the case yes " make sure that a DM is started no matter which one it is"
23:42.01calebwillawwal: anyways setting the default target to multi-user.target is a much clearer way to do what you want
23:42.18calebwillif you find that some services aren't starting that you expected you could look at fixing that
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23:43.02awwalbut what I also no understand is why if I install wdm and choose it as default when dpkg prompt then without rebooting at all systemctl disables both lightdm and wdm just fine, calebwill
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23:44.45calebwillawwal: you could try comparing files in /etc/systemd/system with and without wdm installed to try and figure it out
23:46.10de-factoomg this is seriously annoying, i really have to download another livecd for installing debian with proper partitioning...
23:46.16awwalcalebwill, yes, now trying to compare both targets for find out if multi-user.target loads all the services (right now wdm is not installed). later if I get really lost I'll just install wdm then disable both lightdm and wdm for finally use just startx which was my end goal
23:47.08calebwillawwal: you don't want to try booting with the multi-user.target?
23:47.54awwalcalebwill, will try yes, but how to check which one is default now?
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23:48.04awwalI guess hraphical ?
23:48.50calebwillawwal: "systemctl get-default"
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23:49.42awwalcalebwill, ok, graphical is default
23:50.03awwalcalebwill, so  systemctl set-default multi-user.target  eh?
23:50.52calebwillawwal: you can always set it back to graphical.target if you don't like it
23:51.13awwalcalebwill, obvious yeah :P
23:52.21awwalcalebwill, ok, rebooting after setting multi user as default and check if finally I get out lighdm :P
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23:57.25awwalcalebwill, finally lightdm is not loaded paste.debian.net/736195
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