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| 00:09.31 | esrax | having a problem with debian 8.4 mounting an mdadm array on boot. it is not the root partition. os boots into emergency mode, /proc/mdstat shows nothing. the array is listed in mdadm.conf properly, and i have done update-initramfs. running `mdadm --assemble --scan`, it finds the array fine and can be mounted. dmesg is empty |
| 00:10.02 | esrax | i have also done `dpkg-reconfigure mdadm` and set it to all disks |
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| 00:11.21 | esrax | array's drives are SSDs and show up as SCSI drives about 10s after the regular SATA drives in dmesg as well |
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| 00:15.25 | woshty | esrax: different controller? |
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| 00:16.25 | esrax | yes, it's virtual, SATA drives are via the virtual controller and the SCSI drives are DAS in the hardware passed through to the blade through vtx or whatever |
| 00:16.33 | esrax | wcshty ^ |
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| 00:17.43 | esrax | i mucked that sentence up. it's a virtual machine, SATA drives are virtual, SCSI drives for the mdadm array are DAS in the blade hardware, on a controller passed through via vtx |
| 00:18.31 | esrax | *vt-d |
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| 00:21.31 | esrax | woshty: see above sorry, mispelt your name |
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| 00:38.07 | esrax | it seems like mdadm-raid.service is starting too early. that service still uses the old sysv file, it's just some wrapper around it. how is are disks being mapped to devices during boot, specifically scsi devices if it's different than sata |
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| 00:39.17 | woshty | esrax: you could try putting the driver for the ssds in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 00:39.34 | woshty | *ssd controller |
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| 01:02.38 | esrax | woshty: bingo :) boot is significantly longer now, but it gets going eventually |
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| 02:18.22 | bazup | adrian: you ll get to do it |
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| 02:18.28 | z8z | Hi guys.... today i update debian every day and today i found a huge list of available updates which are not reported by debian security newsletter. Is there any other newsletter explaining those? |
| 02:18.49 | z8z | *first "today" is misstype |
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| 02:19.20 | jmcnaught | !8.4 |
| 02:19.20 | dpkg | Debian 8.4 was released on April 2, 2016. This point release will correct some serious bugs and copy security updates across to the main archive. Further details are at https://www.debian.org/News/2016/20160402 and http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
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| 02:22.26 | pingfloyd | z8z: you might want to consider subscribing to debian-announce for future reference |
| 02:23.44 | pingfloyd | z8z: for example: https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2016/msg00004.html |
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| 02:24.01 | z8z | oh... so point release security fixes are not included in the debian security news list? |
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| 02:24.35 | abrotman | it's not "security" only .. it's a mix of things, and no |
| 02:24.55 | pingfloyd | z8z: it's basically consolidating a bunch of packages into the main archive |
| 02:25.00 | dfcnvt | How do you get it to copy to clipboard when taking a selected screenshot? I did so by (Shift + ScreenShot). It just shuttered and saved a file to home directory -- no gui or options |
| 02:25.25 | z8z | oh ok |
| 02:25.28 | z8z | thanks for the info |
| 02:25.33 | z8z | was just wondering |
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| 02:26.01 | pingfloyd | z8z: think of it like locking in a bunch of updates from many different archives. |
| 02:27.05 | z8z | pingfloyd: i see.... |
| 02:27.28 | z8z | pingfloyd: will check debian-announce carefully from now on |
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| 02:38.40 | ordex | hello |
| 02:39.02 | ordex | anybody can suggest me how to enable autologin (terminal) in debian with upstart ? I used to do that in inittab, but this is the past :) |
| 02:39.22 | ordex | I don't have any /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf file - maybe I should create one ? |
| 02:40.54 | abrotman | why are you using upstart? |
| 02:41.27 | ordex | abrotman: dunno - I believe I am using upstrat, but I am not sure |
| 02:41.35 | ordex | I just installed debian testing in my qemu |
| 02:41.50 | abrotman | you're probably using systemd |
| 02:41.53 | ordex | and I realized that inittab was not there...by googling a bit I found that this is because of the migration to upstart ? |
| 02:41.56 | ordex | aaaah |
| 02:41.58 | ordex | ok makes sense |
| 02:42.08 | ordex | still, my question holds :P |
| 02:42.17 | ordex | s/upstart/systemd/ |
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| 02:44.23 | ordex | mh by googling for systemd I found this: https://storma.wordpress.com/tag/debian-wheezy-systemd-autologin/ |
| 02:44.31 | ordex | but does not work :( |
| 02:45.09 | ordex | I guess I have to enable the service somehow |
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| 02:51.28 | ordex | mh it says it is enabled, but in the qemu console i still get the login |
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| 03:08.36 | pingfloyd | ordex: autologin at the console or to a DM? |
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| 03:13.50 | ordex | pingfloyd: console |
| 03:14.03 | ordex | pingfloyd: respect for your nickname :D |
| 03:14.23 | tjcarter | :D |
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| 03:23.35 | jmcnaught | ordex: it's just in a qemu that you want the autologin to happen? do you mind if i ask why? the the VM has sshd on it, why not just ssh in with a key? |
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| 03:29.30 | Quantumcross | hi nerds! |
| 03:29.54 | ordex | jmcnaught: I use qemu for kernel development and testing, therefore I'd like to have something fast that boots up and does something, without having the hassle of logging in |
| 03:30.35 | Quantumcross | I have a couple questions: I'm in debian testing, I'm having issues with kernel 4.4, so I'm manually booting into 4.3. Should I/how do I report a bug in Debian? (on 4.4 my cpu is locked to 800/900 mhz under load) |
| 03:30.55 | Quantumcross | and second of all, what's the best "non-breaking" way of setting 4.3 as my default kernel |
| 03:31.34 | jmcnaught | ordex: fair enough. i bet that the instructions on https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/automatic_login_to_virtual_console would work. before trying to edit the unit it's talking about there you'll want to verify that this unit is being used in your VM with "systemctl status" |
| 03:32.29 | TomTomTosch | !tell Quantumcross about reportbug |
| 03:32.54 | ordex | jmcnaught: thanks ! |
| 03:32.56 | Quantumcross | thanks :) |
| 03:33.16 | TomTomTosch | Quantumcross, please make sure your problem has not been reported already and good luck. |
| 03:33.35 | Quantumcross | I'm trying to find the current reports, but I'm not sure what package it would be under |
| 03:33.40 | Quantumcross | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=linux-image-4.4.0-1-amd64;dist=unstable |
| 03:33.43 | Quantumcross | is what I'm looking at |
| 03:35.03 | TomTomTosch | you can try dpkg -l | grep linux-image and see which one you have installed. |
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| 03:37.27 | ordex | jmcnaught: I guess that i have to change the service name based on what I use in console= right ? |
| 03:37.31 | ordex | in my case this owuld be ttyS0 |
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| 03:38.09 | Quantumcross | it looks like this is the place to put the bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?ordering=normal;repeatmerged=0;dist=unstable;archive=0;src=linux |
| 03:38.13 | Quantumcross | lots of 4.4 posts there |
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| 03:40.42 | jmcnaught | ordex: is it a serial console? are you looking at the section on serial consoles in that archwiki link? Also when i did "systemctl status getty@tty1" here it helpfully linked to http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/serial-console.html (this whole blog series is worth reading if you're new to systemd) |
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| 03:41.09 | ordex | yeah I should have finish reading the entire page first |
| 03:41.12 | ordex | and thanks for the pointer |
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| 03:43.47 | ordex | ok, the boot just stopped without giving me any shell :D |
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| 03:48.15 | ordex | jmcnaught: also if I run "agetty --autologin root -s %I 115200,38400,9600 vt102" from the console, it just hangs - is this expected behaviour when ran from the console ? |
| 03:48.43 | jmcnaught | ordex: so not good? you might also be interested in the debug-shell documented in /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian |
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| 03:48.54 | ordex | mh, can have a look at that |
| 03:49.11 | jmcnaught | ordex: i don't know, i've never tried to do autologin on console before |
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| 03:49.59 | ordex | oh ok |
| 03:50.02 | jmcnaught | ordex: i do have serial console enabled for some qemu/kvm VMs, but i turn that on in the kernel command line. |
| 03:50.05 | ordex | will fight with this some more then |
| 03:50.17 | ordex | jmcnaught: what do you mean ? |
| 03:50.48 | jmcnaught | ordex: debug-shell might be what you want, or at least will help you diagnose stuff. it's basically a root shell on tty9 that starts during early boot. not something you want to forget to turn off though |
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| 03:51.41 | ordex | jmcnaught: yeah |
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| 03:51.57 | ordex | jmcnaught: what do you mean you have the console enabled in the kernel command line ? |
| 03:52.29 | ordex | mh cool: agetty --autologin root -s ttyS0 115200,38400,9600 vt102 << this works from the shell |
| 03:52.38 | ordex | I wonder why it does not work in systemd then |
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| 03:54.11 | jmcnaught | ordex: in /etc/default/grub i have: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="console=tty0 console=ttyS0 init=/bin/systemd" |
| 03:54.29 | ordex | I do have the same |
| 03:54.36 | ordex | but still that requires the login, right ? |
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| 03:55.32 | jmcnaught | ordex: yes of course. but i'm not doing embedded stuff. if i want to log in i do it with SSH and a key. The serial console's there for if something breaks, like if that VM loses network and I don't want to reboot it |
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| 03:55.54 | ordex | I see oky |
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| 04:45.31 | mosi | so my vps is having trouble with a recent known bug occuring between nginx and openssl |
| 04:46.03 | mosi | this was supposedly patched in a fairly recent openssl commit, but the patch doesn't appear to be in testing repos yet. does anyone know when this will be available? |
| 04:46.35 | mosi | and if not soon, is there any trouble i'm likely to run into rolling back to the stable version of openssl? |
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| 04:47.06 | jmcnaught | mosi: using testing on a server isn't a very good idea in general |
| 04:47.25 | mosi | jmcnaught: it's not production, it's just a personal machine |
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| 04:51.16 | jmcnaught | mosi: still it sounds like it's connected to the internet, and testing is usually the last to get security updates. some places to check for this info would be http://bugs.debian.org/openssl and https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/openssl . Also there's a channel specifically for testing/unstable #debian-next on irc.oftc.net where there might be people that know more |
| 04:51.47 | mosi | good to know, thanks |
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| 04:52.12 | TomTomTosch | mosi, if it was recently commited you will probably have to wait at least for the next stable release of openssl if it was not security related. |
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| 04:54.14 | mosi | TomTomTosch: thanks |
| 04:54.26 | mosi | sounds like i'm going to the stable version, heh |
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| 05:23.43 | theGodAwful | hey people, first time using debian as my main machine finally, so far it seems as clean and modular as arch without all the downsides. I'm getting an overheating problem causing shutdown, around 70c. At the moment I' ve just got watch -n 5 acpi -t in a terminal |
| 05:24.31 | theGodAwful | but was wondering if theres a step inbetween me noticing it and the pc shutting down, like playing a noise perhaps? I'll investigate actual cause later |
| 05:25.35 | nevyn | theGodAwful: so pushing the machine to thermal shutdown is a bad idea |
| 05:28.31 | theGodAwful | nevyn: nah I havnt changed the safety buffer, it wont melt at 60 degrees |
| 05:29.03 | theGodAwful | I just dont have time to look into it this week and something came up I needed linux for |
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| 05:32.25 | theGodAwful | I'll probably end up with a python script playing some annoying wav I think |
| 05:32.31 | alex1a | hello guys someone can explain me what "allow-hotplug wlan0" in '/etc/network/interfaces' file ? |
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| 05:32.48 | theGodAwful | no actually an mp3, its 2016 |
| 05:32.59 | nevyn | alex1a: like it says on the box |
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| 06:39.38 | aversario | where can I download Debian-Med? |
| 06:39.47 | z8z | there is no vnc client in Debian which support username to connect to host? S: |
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| 06:42.11 | jmcnaught | z8z: vinagre? |
| 06:42.30 | z8z | jmcnaught: it only access by using password |
| 06:42.54 | z8z | jmcnaught: no username field and no way to insert one even in the url of host |
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| 06:46.45 | jmcnaught | z8z: i don't use VNC very often, i'm not sure if it has user authentication as part of the protocol. vinagre can work over ssh, which would require a user. have you tried that? |
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| 06:49.25 | jmcnaught | aversario: i think with blends you just install regular debian, then install task meta packages. "aptitude search ~n^med-" for a list of the med blend metapackages |
| 06:50.23 | aversario | jmcnaught: I'll try that, thank you. |
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| 06:52.19 | jmcnaught | aversario: the blends page https://www.debian.org/blends/ has quicklinks to lists of metapackages. there might be special installers for some of them, but i'd wager that the standard installer gets more attention |
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| 07:50.25 | TheIdea | hi there I want to use a mailserver on my VPS. But since there are so many I would like to get some tips. I need something simple and secure, it's mainly for myself but maybe a couple of users more in the future. Nothing big though |
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| 07:50.44 | liftedlegend | hello |
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| 07:51.01 | liftedlegend | if anyone could help me out it would be greatly appreciated |
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| 07:51.27 | TheIdea | there are the old one like postfix, exim, fetchmail but they seem to be hard to config and maintain |
| 07:51.36 | liftedlegend | i'm wanting to learn python and how to program. i'm going to be starting school soon. but i'm trying to get debian installed and its' missing firmware files. |
| 07:51.57 | TheIdea | then I've found zimbra that looks nice but like bloatware |
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| 07:52.35 | TheIdea | iRedMail seems good but I could't find any info on security etc. |
| 07:52.43 | TheIdea | +n |
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| 07:53.27 | TomTomTosch | liftedlegend, this installer has the firmware included: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 07:54.02 | liftedlegend | does anyone know a channel that i could connect to, to get help with installing debian when it's missing firmware files? |
| 07:54.03 | TomTomTosch | TheIdea, i found postfix pretty easy to use. |
| 07:54.20 | liftedlegend | thank you |
| 07:54.26 | liftedlegend | i'm in irssi how do i download it from that link |
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| 07:54.53 | liftedlegend | i'm a noob but i'm very eager to learn. lol |
| 07:55.01 | TomTomTosch | so you have a lan connection but wlan does not work? |
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| 07:56.24 | TomTomTosch | liftedlegend ^ |
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| 07:57.59 | liftedlegend | i have no current lan connection i'm at a hotel. |
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| 07:58.20 | liftedlegend | my little bro has a windows computer. is there a way i can leech internet off that via ethernet cable? |
| 07:58.41 | liftedlegend | its a dell inspiron also but a newer one. |
| 07:58.58 | TomTomTosch | liftedlegend, what machine are you sitting on? a linux pc? |
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| 07:59.47 | liftedlegend | ^http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.4/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 08:00.12 | liftedlegend | yes i'm on ubuntu gnome at the moment. |
| 08:00.26 | tannercollin | when I load my EFI USB Debian Installer (firmware), it just starts a GRUB console. anyone know why? |
| 08:00.41 | liftedlegend | it's a dell inspiron. a older one. i'll be getting new pc soon. i'm just learning what i can while i'm on this one. |
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| 08:01.41 | knosys | hello |
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| 08:02.20 | TomTomTosch | liftedlegend, can you use that iso to reinstall? |
| 08:02.34 | TomTomTosch | liftedlegend, i've given you a link. |
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| 08:03.10 | liftedlegend | i'm trying to figure out how to copy it or get it out of this irssi client |
| 08:03.16 | liftedlegend | i'm logged into the console |
| 08:03.54 | TomTomTosch | liftedlegend wget http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 08:04.40 | TomTomTosch | liftedlegend, after you have downloaded 'cp ~/path/to/iso /dev/sdXX' |
| 08:05.08 | tannercollin | TomTomTosch: will that make the USB boot in EFI mode? |
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| 08:05.53 | TomTomTosch | tannercollin, the installer does. the live usb does not. the link i provided should work. |
| 08:06.04 | liftedlegend | wget http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 08:06.20 | TomTomTosch | liftedlegend, you type that into a different console. |
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| 08:06.46 | TomTomTosch | liftedlegend, not into the chat :P |
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| 08:08.58 | liftedlegend | well i have no gui up right now and i can't just copy and paste it in the console. i thought maybe that just over rode the chat client i guess lol |
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| 08:09.29 | eugenmayer | Hello. Are the http://security.debian.org servers slow / having issues? |
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| 08:10.48 | TomTomTosch | eugenmayer, not for me. |
| 08:10.51 | drmagoo | Does anyone know of a rdp-client for linux (to connect to windows machines) that support having seperate windowsize and resolution? For example windowsize 2560x1440 and resolution 1920x1080 |
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| 08:11.27 | pflanze | eugenmayer, not for me either |
| 08:11.37 | eugenmayer | i am having great issues building m y docker images, since its stalling ont jessies main packages on security: https://goo.gl/R47DXE |
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| 08:12.43 | liftedlegend | i just had to write it down on a piece of paper. lol |
| 08:12.45 | pflanze | I can't view your url without js |
| 08:12.49 | TheIdea | Is this a good tutorial: http://cnedelcu.blogspot.com/2014/01/how-to-set-up-simple-mail-server-debian-linux.html or are there better ones? |
| 08:12.49 | pflanze | eugenmayer, ^ |
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| 08:13.41 | pflanze | TheIdea, there's not really such a thing as a simple mail server, if you intend to use it seriously. |
| 08:13.45 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: Zimbra and iredmail both build on top of Postfix and other sotware. If you use one of those, you'll be relying on the support and security they their projects/communities provide. |
| 08:14.05 | eugenmayer | pflanze: hrm, its a blob, google drive, can really paste you the direct URI |
| 08:14.14 | liftedlegend | alright it should be downloading now. thankyou. |
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| 08:14.44 | liftedlegend | i'm also having trouble with my alps touchpad. how can i fix this. the buttons work but not the touch sensor. i really appreciate the help |
| 08:15.03 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: as pflanze is suggesting, running a mail server is pretty complex and you need to understand quite a bit to be responsible for one. Starting small with a relatively simple Postfix or Exim4 setup might be a good idea if you want to be able to understand each part well enough to deal with problems |
| 08:15.13 | TheIdea | hmm maybe I'll just use it as send only |
| 08:15.25 | pflanze | eugenmayer, what kind of blob, why not just text? |
| 08:15.38 | pflanze | TheIdea, sending is the most difficult part nowadays. |
| 08:15.44 | eugenmayer | pflanze: its an image, just a screenshot |
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| 08:15.55 | pflanze | TheIdea, if that includes actual arrival at the other end other than in the spam folder. |
| 08:16.29 | TheIdea | well I want to get the log per mail |
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| 08:16.41 | TheIdea | so setting up send only is kinda a must |
| 08:16.56 | pflanze | the log? |
| 08:17.21 | pflanze | I mean, ok, you get a log with error messages if there are errors, and an ok otherwise. |
| 08:17.57 | TheIdea | If I dont set it up like that I'll have to ssh into the server every time to just checkt he logs |
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| 08:18.02 | pflanze | But neither does that provide an advantage over using a 3rd party service, nor does it tell you why your recipients don't get your email. |
| 08:18.24 | pflanze | TheIdea, the problem is not that you get errors, but that you get none and you still can't deliver mail. |
| 08:18.27 | TheIdea | it's pretty much for me only |
| 08:19.10 | eugenmayer | pflanze: can you access http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/InRelease ? |
| 08:19.22 | pflanze | eugenmayer, 404 |
| 08:19.27 | TheIdea | do you know an easier way to receive the logs automatically? |
| 08:19.49 | pflanze | eugenmayer, I can access http://mirror.unitedcolo.de/debian/dists/jessie/ though |
| 08:19.56 | pflanze | TheIdea, what logs? |
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| 08:20.13 | TheIdea | logwatch fail2ban |
| 08:20.27 | TheIdea | and couple more |
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| 08:20.44 | liftedlegend | what is fail2ban for? |
| 08:20.46 | pflanze | TheIdea, aha!, you want to get email that system processes send? |
| 08:20.54 | TheIdea | yes |
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| 08:21.17 | pflanze | TheIdea, then you can either forward those to another mail service (and try to teach that system that it's not spam), |
| 08:21.29 | pflanze | or you can deliver to a mailbox locally and get over POP/IMAP. |
| 08:22.33 | TheIdea | delivering it to my mail service didn't work that well. |
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| 08:22.42 | TheIdea | it's not even in the spam |
| 08:22.49 | pflanze | TheIdea, note that in my experience Gmail is a pain and never really learns well, so you might be out of luck with forwarding to Gmail. |
| 08:22.58 | TheIdea | so I thought it's beacue I have no mail server installed |
| 08:23.16 | TheIdea | I dont use gmail anyway |
| 08:23.25 | TheIdea | but gess all of the major ones are the same |
| 08:23.29 | TheIdea | +u |
| 08:23.53 | pflanze | TheIdea, check contents of /var/mail/ |
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| 08:24.31 | TheIdea | there is just a mail file |
| 08:24.56 | pflanze | also /var/spool/exim4/ |
| 08:25.06 | TheIdea | I've config/ the software to send to my current mail service though |
| 08:25.58 | pflanze | You almost certainly already have a mail service installed (exim by default on Debian), but if it's not configured, it doesn't do external delivery thus all your mails should be in one of those folders. |
| 08:26.12 | TheIdea | get permission denied when I try to cd exim4 |
| 08:26.18 | pflanze | get root? |
| 08:26.38 | TheIdea | there I get : Exim is a Mail Transfer Agent. It is normally called by Mail User Agents, |
| 08:26.38 | TheIdea | not directly from a shell command line. Options and/or arguments control |
| 08:26.38 | TheIdea | what it does when called. For a list of options, see the Exim documentation. |
| 08:27.18 | pflanze | "there"=? |
| 08:27.28 | TheIdea | used sudo |
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| 08:27.39 | TheIdea | but I used sudo su now it works |
| 08:28.10 | TheIdea | I got db input and msglog |
| 08:28.47 | TheIdea | all empty except the db folder |
| 08:29.04 | TheIdea | has a retry.lockfile |
| 08:29.09 | pflanze | ok then it seems to have been delivered. |
| 08:29.37 | pflanze | tailf /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 08:29.47 | pflanze | and run something like: |
| 08:30.06 | eugenmayer | pflanze: ah .. https://github.com/tianon/docker-brew-debian/issues/31 |
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| 08:30.42 | pflanze | echo -e 'To: your@address\nFrom: your@address\nSubject: test\n\nHi.\n'|sendmail -t |
| 08:30.52 | pflanze | TheIdea, ^ |
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| 08:31.29 | eugenmayer | pflanze: ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de or this mirrir is down, can you access it? |
| 08:31.31 | TheIdea | nfrom is the server? |
| 08:31.52 | pflanze | \n is a newline |
| 08:32.14 | TheIdea | oh ok |
| 08:32.15 | pflanze | if -e is given to echo |
| 08:32.40 | TheIdea | I'm not too familiar with th terminal |
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| 08:33.27 | pflanze | It's a convention used for strings generally in programming. |
| 08:33.37 | TheIdea | should I ctrl +c the tailf? |
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| 08:33.52 | pflanze | tailf waits for new entries to be appended |
| 08:33.53 | TheIdea | or open a new terminal window |
| 08:33.58 | pflanze | so, open a new terminal window instead |
| 08:34.01 | TheIdea | k |
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| 08:35.46 | alt^255 | Hi. I've upgraded from stable to testing yesterday and I've noticed courier-imap is gone. I need that to be running - but it's not int he available packages. What am I missing here? |
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| 08:36.07 | pflanze | It's an interesting question: unix users always had functional mail service in the past, so using mail for log etc. delivery has always been sensible; |
| 08:36.23 | pflanze | but what do people do nowadays that the "functional" has mostly disappeared from the equation? |
| 08:36.49 | alt^255 | pflanze: sorry, was that an answer to my question? |
| 08:37.04 | TheIdea | well got nothing |
| 08:37.04 | pflanze | No, just philosophical pondering about TheIdea 's questions. |
| 08:37.08 | cyd_parker | Hi everyone. I'm a systems technician and all our Debian systems patched the kernel, apt and some other packages a day ago (using unattended-upgrades). I can't find a security advisory for any of these packages, and the changelog for the kernel at packages.debian.org gives 404. Does anyone have any intel on these updates? |
| 08:37.57 | TheIdea | wait a sec |
| 08:38.07 | pflanze | (I guess POP3 might be the most sensible/reliable solution, iff the user has a client side (i.e. non-web) mail client, or uses a web client that supports POP3.) |
| 08:38.08 | TheIdea | maybe I forgot to open the port in ufw |
| 08:38.44 | pflanze | TheIdea, check: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 08:38.59 | pflanze | to see what mail software runs on your machine. |
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| 08:39.37 | pflanze | alt^255, I dunno. Let me check my testing install. |
| 08:39.52 | TomTomTosch | alt^255, it got removed from testing. https://packages.qa.debian.org/c/courier/news/20160101T163906Z.html |
| 08:40.00 | jmcnaught | cyd_parker: "/msg dpkg 8.4" also consider subscribing to the debian-announce mail list |
| 08:40.02 | TheIdea | exim4-daemon-light: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 08:40.20 | pflanze | TheIdea, good, as expected, that's the default install. |
| 08:40.25 | TheIdea | y |
| 08:40.27 | TomTomTosch | alt^255, but you should expect things like that from testing. it's not meant to be used for production. |
| 08:40.32 | alt^255 | TomTomTosch: aagh. I must have missed it. |
| 08:40.43 | TheIdea | should I stick with it or replace it? |
| 08:40.46 | alt^255 | TomTomTosch: no worries, I was just surprised I could not find any mention of it in the diff e-mail I've got |
| 08:40.47 | cyd_parker | jmcnaught: Thanks, I'll loook in to it. |
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| 08:41.13 | pflanze | TheIdea, leave it I think. So, after the echo ..| sendmail -t it should say nothing in the shell you entered this line, but you should get a log entry, |
| 08:41.28 | pflanze | TheIdea, thing is, I'm using qmail myself, not exim, thus not sure. |
| 08:42.14 | pflanze | but the general response in such cases is: find all log files, and state files/dirs (spool) and watch what happens to them. |
| 08:42.19 | pflanze | log files also include: |
| 08:42.30 | pflanze | tailf /var/log/mail.log |
| 08:42.38 | pflanze | maybe exim writes there. |
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| 08:43.03 | pflanze | also, perhaps exim light only writes the files to the spool and never delivers them, but then you should find those files. |
| 08:44.09 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: if you just want the server to send mail but not receive it, you can configure exim4 or postfix (or a simpler MTA like ssmtp or msmtp-mta) as a null-client, and give it SMTP authentication details for an account on a mail server that is authorized to send for your domain name |
| 08:44.35 | TheIdea | I've got a exim4 folder in the var/log folder |
| 08:44.50 | TheIdea | taht has some log files |
| 08:45.38 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: you can configure both exim4 and postfix like this with dpkg-reconfigure, for Postfix however I find it easier to answer its debconf question with "no configuration" and drop in a simple conf file |
| 08:45.44 | pflanze | Then "tail /var/log/exim4/mainlog" |
| 08:46.29 | pflanze | (I really think there should be a guide on "how to get system mail messages on Debian (through POP3 or so)".) |
| 08:46.56 | TheIdea | R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
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| 08:47.20 | TheIdea | and some more stuff |
| 08:47.30 | TheIdea | but I guess that is the important part |
| 08:47.47 | pflanze | yep, although I would (have) expect(ed) that it still collects the messages in its spool. |
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| 08:48.00 | TheIdea | I think I should just remove exim4 and install some other mailserver |
| 08:48.09 | pflanze | Not necessarily. |
| 08:48.12 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: did you try running "mutt" or "mail" as root? If you want to just use mutt locally on the system to check mail but don't want to be root, you could make a new alias in /etc/aliases |
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| 08:48.26 | TheIdea | doesn't seem to be configured anyway |
| 08:48.42 | pflanze | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-daemon-light |
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| 08:49.06 | TheIdea | I don;t want to check it locally I'd like it to get send to my email service |
| 08:49.20 | TheIdea | so I only access the server when needed |
| 08:50.11 | pflanze | Makes sense, just with the caveat that if the mail service you're using doesn't learn well, then you need to go through the pains of deliverability issues, |
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| 08:50.28 | TheIdea | did the dpkg but there was nothing to confige just pressed ok an then it exited the gui |
| 08:50.37 | TheIdea | configure |
| 08:51.00 | pflanze | i.e. it could be necessary to set up a domain/subdomain for your sending mail address and server, set up reverse DNS of your server to use that, set up SPF and DKIM and DMARC. |
| 08:51.19 | pflanze | That's just how locked down email is nowadays because of the spammers. |
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| 08:51.45 | TheIdea | yea but I'm kinda donw ith exim4 |
| 08:51.48 | TheIdea | -w |
| 08:51.50 | TheIdea | with |
| 08:52.07 | pflanze | It doesn't really matter whether you're using exim4 or postfix or anything else. |
| 08:52.10 | TheIdea | I'll just use postfix with that neat tut I found |
| 08:52.33 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: exim4 will probably do what you want if you do "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and then tell it "mail sent by smarthost, no local mail" |
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| 08:53.32 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: or with Postfix answer "Satellite system" |
| 08:54.08 | TheIdea | Ill try yhr reconfig |
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| 08:54.11 | TheIdea | the |
| 08:54.55 | TheIdea | should I split the config files? |
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| 08:56.04 | valerio-bozzolan | Hi! What appened to bzr-fastimport after wheezy? |
| 08:56.16 | pflanze | TheIdea, go with the default? |
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| 08:57.46 | TheIdea | still not working |
| 08:57.57 | TheIdea | but at least its writing into the mainlog |
| 08:58.26 | TheIdea | I better install it with a tutorial |
| 08:58.32 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: does your smarthost require authentication? |
| 08:58.45 | pflanze | TheIdea, if you can use POP3, better go with that |
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| 08:58.49 | pflanze | less pains. |
| 08:59.09 | TheIdea | @jmcnaught 'm not sure what you mean |
| 08:59.17 | jmcnaught | setting up a POP3 daemon on every server you want to get mail from is kind of ridiculous |
| 08:59.35 | pflanze | hmwell, true. |
| 08:59.35 | TheIdea | +I |
| 08:59.42 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: the smarthost is the remote mail server that actually takes care of sending mail |
| 08:59.48 | pflanze | But then you could relay mail to a single server of yours instead, too. |
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| 09:00.03 | TheIdea | I'm not sure how do I check that? |
| 09:00.15 | pflanze | Anyway once you've got many servers you probably know how to make mail work. I was assuming TheIdea has just one. |
| 09:01.01 | TheIdea | I only have one vps I'm training config. and hardening on |
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| 09:01.43 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: so you basically want to configure the mail transport agent (MTA) on your server to relay all mail to a smarthost. exim4 can do that with the questions dpkg-reconfigure asks, but if that remote mail server needs authentication i think you need to check /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/README.Debian.gz |
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| 09:02.45 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: do you have a domain name registered? Did the domain name come with mail support? Ask your DNS provider if they have mail accounts, configure an MTA on your servers to send through them |
| 09:02.57 | TheIdea | I have |
| 09:03.16 | TheIdea | but I rly need to use tutorial |
| 09:03.28 | TheIdea | this is not a good way to config everything |
| 09:03.35 | TheIdea | via chat I mean |
| 09:03.47 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: if you find exim4 or postfix too difficult, you could checkout ssmtp, nullmailer, or msmtp-mta |
| 09:03.59 | TheIdea | if you know a good tut for exim Ill use exim otherwise I found a good one for postfix |
| 09:04.21 | TheIdea | if I have a good tutorial that's not a poblem |
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| 09:04.53 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: in my opion tutorials are only good for illustrating all the parts involved. you still need to read the documentaion provided by the software. /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/README.Debian.gz documents how to configure exim4 on debian quite well |
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| 09:05.49 | TheIdea | well the doc are too much work |
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| 09:06.11 | TheIdea | I always start with a tut and then when Im familar with it a bit I go into the detail with the docs |
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| 09:07.02 | TheIdea | most docs are hard to understand and if I start with the docs without tut it takes me forever to get something running |
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| 09:07.07 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: i guess search for tutorials on sending mail with a smarthost, or lookup one of the other MTAs i suggested |
| 09:07.07 | pflanze | Fair enough; the one you linked does too much, though, with POP3,IMAP, and mail reception. |
| 09:07.33 | TheIdea | yea I found another one that does send only |
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| 09:08.15 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: you'll still need to know the details for your smarthost/remote mail server you are relaying messages to |
| 09:08.22 | pflanze | Also, smarthost is not the same situation as normal external mail delivery. |
| 09:09.41 | TheIdea | I've got this here: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-configure-postfix-as-a-send-only-smtp-server-on-ubuntu-14-04 |
| 09:09.50 | TheIdea | but I guess it should work with deb too |
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| 09:10.39 | WormFood | When I run xsane, and select my Canon MP280 printer/scanner, xsane seems to hang. I just get a small, blank, window, that seems to be the right size for the settings, but that is all it does. Does anyone know what I need to do to make this work? |
| 09:10.40 | TheIdea | there is also the test part with echo |
| 09:11.35 | pflanze | "mail" is using "sendmail -t", too, under the hood. |
| 09:11.43 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: that's going to set things up so your server is sending mails directly to other mail servers, which might reject them. If you configure to send through a smarthost, you're relying on the smarthost's reputation and authority to send mails |
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| 09:13.07 | pflanze | TheIdea, as jmcnaught said; normal external mail delivery = pain, smarthost would be a tad more specific to what your ISP provides but will be more reliable. |
| 09:14.32 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: this wiki page outlines doing what i'm describing using gmail as the "smarthost" that will deliver your mail. Using gmail is not ideal (and gmail might even prevent it at this point), but setting it up like this with your mail provider's mail server info is what you want |
| 09:14.39 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: https://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 |
| 09:15.33 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: but there's other much simpler MTAs you can use on your VPS, like msmtp-mta or ssmtp |
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| 09:18.18 | pflanze | jmcnaught, isn't the problem with those that they don't manage a queue, and if your smarthost isn't reachable, will fail with an error, at which point the message is probably going to be lost? |
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| 09:19.22 | Deliv | Hey! |
| 09:19.40 | jmcnaught | pflanze: msmtp has a queue. personally i use postfix configured like a null client on all my servers (except the actual mail server) |
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| 09:19.48 | Deliv | How can I do this: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 nov 6 2014 run -> /run |
| 09:20.02 | Deliv | I want link folder to other... |
| 09:20.14 | pflanze | Deliv, "ln -s /run" |
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| 09:20.31 | Deliv | Yes but don't appears with color :S |
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| 09:20.51 | Deliv | In the ls |
| 09:21.00 | jmcnaught | Deliv: "ls -F --color" |
| 09:21.08 | pflanze | Deliv, assuming your current working directory is where you want it to go, otherwise "ln -s /run whereeveryou/want/run" |
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| 09:21.37 | pflanze | aha, you want the listing, not the link. |
| 09:22.06 | pflanze | I guess I'll stop giving stupid answers and go back to work now ;~) |
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| 09:22.28 | jmcnaught | Deliv: why are you trying to symlink /run? |
| 09:22.29 | Deliv | not really |
| 09:22.36 | Deliv | http://puu.sh/o5AIW/6009b3b776.png |
| 09:22.38 | Deliv | look that |
| 09:23.19 | Deliv | and I use ls -la don't see example -> example2 |
| 09:23.42 | jmcnaught | Deliv: because the symlink you made is in /home not /. "ls -l /home" to see it |
| 09:24.17 | Deliv | http://puu.sh/o5ANg/15a0b880a4.png nothing :S |
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| 09:26.58 | jmcnaught | Deliv: please you http://paste.debian.net/ instead of screenshots. what's in /home/example2? you had a trailing slash on the end of your ln command |
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| 09:29.05 | TheIdea | Is this tut better then: https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/postfix-smtp-debian7 |
| 09:29.15 | Deliv | Oh sorry jmcnaught |
| 09:29.16 | Deliv | http://paste.debian.net/423754/ |
| 09:29.32 | Deliv | I want example -> example 2 |
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| 09:31.16 | jmcnaught | Deliv: what is that paste, the output of "ls /var"? you made a symlink of /var/example at /home/example2/example1 in http://puu.sh/o5AIW/6009b3b776.png |
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| 09:31.45 | jmcnaught | Deliv: sounds like you want "ln -s /var/example1 /var/example2" ? |
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| 09:32.19 | Deliv | Oh yes LOL. |
| 09:32.21 | Deliv | Thanks in advance jmcnaught |
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| 09:33.43 | TheIdea | the tut uses the internet site config not the smarthost option though |
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| 09:35.13 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: setting up postfix as an "internet site" is a lot more involved than as a "satellite system" |
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| 09:37.22 | TheIdea | well Ill just follow it and see how it works out |
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| 09:40.05 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: don't just blindly follow a tutorial, learn a bit more on how email works. This part of the Debian Reference goes over some basics, then walks through how to configure exim4 to deliver all mail through a remote mail server: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch06.en.html#_the_mail_system |
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| 09:41.10 | jmcnaught | TheIdea: a little further down it shows how to do the same with postfix |
| 09:42.42 | TheIdea | thx Ill check that out after I've done the tut |
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| 09:44.24 | drmagoo | Does anyone know of a rdp-client for linux (to connect to windows machines) that support having seperate windowsize and resolution? For example windowsize 2560x1440 and resolution 1920x1080 |
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| 09:45.32 | chele | ,v rdesktop |
| 09:45.33 | judd | Package: rdesktop on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.6.0-3; wheezy: 1.7.1-1; jessie: 1.8.2-3+deb8u1; sid: 1.8.3-1+b1; stretch: 1.8.3-1+b1 |
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| 09:46.02 | bezaban | drmagoo: rdesktop perhaps? I am not entirely sure how that works in a non-tiling WM, but with i3 it keeps the set resolution if I resize the pane |
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| 09:48.49 | valerio-bozzolan | Should I disturb the maintainer of bzr-fastimport to know why it's only in wheezy? |
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| 09:51.54 | jmcnaught | valerio-bozzolan: for packages that have been removed check the news on the package's tracker page: https://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bzr-fastimport.html |
| 09:55.27 | valerio-bozzolan | jmcnaught: Thanks. So it was orphane, buggy and unmaintained |
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| 09:56.02 | drmagoo | bezaban: using i3 too, but the when resizing the window I only get blackborders that fill out the empty space |
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| 10:06.40 | bezaban | drmagoo: oh. thought that was what you wnated |
| 10:08.48 | drmagoo | bezaban: I've got a 4K monitor (3840x2160) and are using fontscaling to make things more readble. But rdesktop isnt affected by this.. So any session leaves me with really tiny text =( Thats why Im looking for some workaround to also scale up that. |
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| 10:12.04 | ychaouche | hello #debian |
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| 10:28.40 | wowas | hello! I would like to reinstall the package "owncloud". I purged it. But now it does not reinstall the files. I tried: "apt-get install owncloud" and "apt-get install --reinstall owncloud" |
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| 10:29.29 | themill | the files probably aren |
| 10:29.46 | themill | the files probably aren't in the "owncloud" package; check which package they are in first with dpkg -S |
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| 10:32.33 | Wagaaa | Hello? |
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| 10:36.58 | ychaouche | hello Wagaaa |
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| 10:38.26 | ychaouche | I have copied a remote debian machine's "/" filesystem into my local debian machine's "/var/clone-messagerie-secours/" directory, but excluding some directories : rsync -aAXv --exclude={"/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found"} / 10.10.10.20:/var/clone-messagerie-secours |
| 10:38.36 | ychaouche | When the transfer was done, I have stopped the following services on my machine: clamav-freshclam,courier-authdaemon ,courier-imap,courier-imap-ssl,courier-pop,courier-pop-ssl,mysql,postfix,rsync,rsyslog,saslauthd,shorewall,spamassassin |
| 10:38.45 | ychaouche | Then I chrooted into that directory "/var/clone-messagerie-secours" and tried to launch the services from there. I have this first error : |
| 10:38.55 | ychaouche | Starting amavisd: Can't write /dev/null [Permission denied] at /usr/share/perl5/Net/Server.pm line 285. |
| 10:39.02 | ychaouche | What do I need to do to get the clone of the other machine usable ? |
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| 10:42.54 | jamesl | When init is first executed at boot on debian 8, will /dev be populated? Or must I mknod it, in my script that replaces init? |
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| 10:44.49 | wowas | themill, apt-file list owncloud => shows the files in /usr/share/owncloud/ |
| 10:44.57 | Wagaaa | How to package a debian-based system cd image? |
| 10:45.04 | wowas | but they are not there :) |
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| 10:45.36 | wowas | what else could i try after "apt-get install owncloud" or "apt-get install --reinstall owncloud" ? |
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| 10:45.51 | qeni | Hi. How to permanently change console font? In Arch it was FONT="..." in vconsole.conf file |
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| 10:59.02 | MadHatter42 | how do I forward the logs that I get from rsyslog to a folder |
| 10:59.11 | MadHatter42 | and the local to stay as they are |
| 10:59.45 | MadHatter42 | ? |
| 10:59.58 | drmagoo | ychaouche: http://blog.coffeebeans.at/archives/263 |
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| 11:02.40 | ychaouche | drmagoo: thanks, will try that |
| 11:02.53 | ychaouche | is learning about docker |
| 11:02.59 | drmagoo | ychaouche: np! =) |
| 11:03.13 | ychaouche | is watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5POuMHxW-0 |
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| 11:13.00 | qeni | Do you know guys some tool like wifi-menu from Arch? I want to connect to wifi with command line and do not have any daemons running all the time. wicd-curses is the closest way, but something with dialog would be better for me |
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| 11:32.18 | b0t | Warning: These messages were issued while creating sendmail.cf |
| 11:32.18 | b0t | Make sure they are benign before starting sendmail! |
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| 11:47.16 | gribouille | hi |
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| 11:49.53 | gribouille | I have a tv adapter that gives mpeg4 content (/dev/dvb/adapter0). is it possible to convert the stream to mpeg2 on the fly? |
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| 11:51.58 | frostschutz | if mplayer can play it, mencoder can recode it... not sure if ffmpeg, handbrake, etc. handle streams, but they probably should |
| 11:52.29 | frostschutz | then it depends whether your machine is fast enough to do so... |
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| 11:53.34 | gribouille | I have problems watching mpeg4 content. some programs handle it well (mpv), while others don't (mplayer, vlc) |
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| 11:57.24 | zz | What permissions should be set for /home/<user>/ and everything in it? |
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| 11:58.19 | bkpark | nothing wrong with 700 for the directory and 600 for below. |
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| 11:59.05 | bkpark | but i think default is more like 644. |
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| 12:01.23 | zz | of I set 700 for some file inside /home/<user> I get permission denied? |
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| 12:02.03 | bkpark | if it's your own file, you should have permission. |
| 12:02.21 | zz | it is my own file >.> |
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| 12:02.54 | bkpark | i guess i'm not 100% sure if exim is suid root if you are using maildir. |
| 12:03.27 | bkpark | are the files owned by you and not root or something? |
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| 12:03.44 | zz | i dont really know >.> |
| 12:03.55 | bkpark | like what would ls -l on the file show? |
| 12:04.11 | zz | 2 folders are owned by root |
| 12:04.38 | zz | apparently |
| 12:04.44 | bkpark | well, that wouldn't be accessible with 700 perms. |
| 12:05.02 | zz | How can I just make everything in /home/<user/ belong to <user> |
| 12:05.21 | bkpark | chown with -r flag. |
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| 12:05.27 | zz | okay |
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| 12:06.25 | bkpark | need to run it as root, i think. if you own the parent dir you can delink files, but i don't think you can change them. |
| 12:06.34 | zz | what should I make it |
| 12:06.36 | zz | 700? |
| 12:07.53 | bkpark | chown changes owner. it would be like "chown -r <user>:<group> /home/<user>" |
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| 12:08.17 | zz | o |
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| 12:08.29 | zz | wait what would group be |
| 12:08.32 | bkpark | if files belong to user 700 is a good default for directory. |
| 12:08.43 | abrotman | that's not what -r does .. |
| 12:08.56 | bkpark | on debian by default, each user is their own group. |
| 12:09.01 | bkpark | oops. -R? |
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| 12:09.13 | bkpark | one of the two. :) |
| 12:09.35 | zz | hah, it worked |
| 12:09.36 | zz | thanks |
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| 12:10.28 | meldron | hi guys, anybody know how get debian (wheezy) to reconize intel xeon on chip gpus? |
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| 12:22.43 | towo^work | meldron, you know, "intel xeon" is saying zero, since there are many steppings since it was introduced |
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| 12:30.51 | michaelis | Hi. Should I use UEFI or not when installing debian? What are the pro/cons? |
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| 12:34.34 | ychaouche | drmagoo: works like a charm |
| 12:34.55 | ychaouche | I need to fix file permissions because when I copied the files with rsync file owners changed |
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| 12:42.36 | meldron | towo^work: sorry, Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2630 v3 @ 2.40GHz |
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| 12:43.49 | towo^work | that's a relative old model, what does not work? |
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| 12:45.22 | towo^work | meldron, but @ark.intel.com i read it has no graphics |
| 12:46.25 | meldron | towo^work: hey thanks for the info, so I must have checked the wrong model before, thanks alot |
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| 12:47.50 | towo^work | meldron, what doe lspci | grep -i vga say? |
| 12:47.54 | towo^work | *does |
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| 12:50.27 | meldron | towo^work: only shows the onboard gpu |
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| 12:50.40 | towo^work | meldron, which is? |
| 12:52.15 | meldron | 08:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd. G200eR2 (rev 01) |
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| 13:22.58 | raspberry_pi | buen dia a todos. Alguien en español? |
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| 13:30.08 | jelly | !es |
| 13:30.09 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃÂnea de chat. |
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| 13:38.06 | drmagoo | "WindowsSupport" just called me and told me that my computer has a lot of viruses.... And as it also turns out, a big problem with not being able to run exe-files ;) So my question is, does anyone know of a good program to record my screem? Screencaputer, but into video? In case they call again =) |
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| 13:40.33 | Iridos | drmagoo, a lot... all have some quirk, depending on your setup. |
| 13:40.57 | Iridos | drmagoo, apt-cache search desktop record |
| 13:41.22 | drmagoo | Iridos: debian sid, nvidia-gpu, dual 4k-monitors and running i3wm ... =) "Active"-window would be sufficient... |
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| 13:41.39 | Iridos | --> gtk-recordmydesktop (make sure you know how to stop recording) kazam (make sure you have compositing if you want to select an area) ... |
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| 13:41.46 | drmagoo | Iridos: thanks =) Was to lazy to even think of trying that first =) |
| 13:41.46 | Iridos | s/area/selection/ |
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| 13:42.22 | Iridos | oh, and istanbul... I cannot remember trying that one... at least not successfully |
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| 13:42.47 | Iridos | same goes for byzanz |
| 13:42.56 | drmagoo | Iridos: ok, will look into the other two then. Thank you! |
| 13:43.48 | Iridos | recordmydesktop makes ogv by default, kazam makes mp4 |
| 13:44.34 | Iridos | ... by default. both may or may not be configurable, I didn't care |
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| 13:48.40 | ychaouche | drmagoo: is that your blog ? |
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| 13:51.09 | drmagoo | ychaouche: no, I had the same problem. Found that blog and bookmarked it =) |
| 13:51.23 | drmagoo | Iridos: Thank you very much for the help. |
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| 13:58.16 | Iridos | yw |
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| 14:04.54 | reverse_light | Hi, I have a serious problem. It seems X window freezes after some work of Firefox, chromium etc. |
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| 14:05.26 | reverse_light | I can't switch other tty (Ctrl + delete .etc) after that. |
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| 14:06.57 | reverse_light | I checked log file and it says X is contaminated. And then stopped. |
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| 14:08.20 | reverse_light | I want to test removing X packages from my computer and reinstall it. What packages should I select? |
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| 14:15.10 | reverse_light | messages file says Xorg Tainted. |
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| 14:16.41 | Rpi201 | !install x |
| 14:16.41 | dpkg | To install X in Debian: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
| 14:17.12 | reverse_light | I have performed update & upgrade before this problem happens. Also, how do I check last upgrade packages? |
| 14:17.29 | mtn | reverse_light: which version of debian? |
| 14:17.44 | reverse_light | most recent. |
| 14:17.54 | mtn | reverse_light: what does that mean? sid? |
| 14:18.00 | reverse_light | stable |
| 14:18.22 | mtn | reverse_light: then, unless you have non-debian sources, the upgrade has nothing to do with it |
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| 14:20.03 | reverse_light | hmm. Then, hardware problem maybe. My drive seems going to brake. |
| 14:20.21 | mtn | reverse_light: I would think xorg config or video drivers |
| 14:20.55 | ravegen | Hi, i have a domain bought from like godaddy. How can i create like mail.yahoo.com ? |
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| 14:23.26 | beastwick987 | I'm really desperate for some help, already tried clonezilla and lvm channel, but I'll ask here anyway (linux in question is debian testing). I just created a nice new shiny dual boot setup and I am trying to create an image of it using Clonezilla. The process chokes when it reaches the LVM LVs. Is there something wrong with my setup or Clonezilla |
| 14:23.27 | beastwick987 | isn't the best way to backup an LVM disk (half the disk)? |
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| 14:24.22 | reverse_light | Anyway, thanks. |
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| 14:25.17 | transhuman_ | hi getting this error http://paste.debian.net/423832/ I am wondering if I have a hold on packages some how by manual install that I can work around to fix this http://paste.debian.net/423832/ currently my sources.list is http://paste.debian.net/423831/ but I must admit to work around a difficult bug with tun/tap I enabled backports and testing repos for a few packages |
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| 14:28.37 | ravegen | Anyone? |
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| 14:29.38 | themill | ravegen: don't mix stable and testing/unstable |
| 14:30.12 | rafalcpp_ | how to cure my terminal from epilepsy? |
| 14:30.37 | rafalcpp_ | TTY-1 -> screen -> ssh connection then when I type commands, then suddnely it starts lagging and then flashing the screen as if visual bell |
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| 14:31.24 | rafalcpp_ | for example it lags for 5 seconds, then flashes screen around 20 times (in 3 seconds). it's over a bit slow internet connection |
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| 14:34.58 | BinBasher | Hi, I can't see some characters like the title of this page http://svaksha.com/ ; some characters just show up as rectangles with hex text in them.. How do I fix this? |
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| 14:39.02 | transhuman_ | guess i can try a set-selections looks like thats the fix |
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| 14:40.50 | themill | transhuman_: mixing testing and stable is completely unsupported and isn't going to work just as you have found. |
| 14:40.56 | themill | dpkg: tell transhuman_ about unmixing |
| 14:42.12 | Iridos | oops, I mixed sugar and salt |
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| 14:43.56 | Iridos | BinBasher, find the font that has the characters and install it |
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| 14:45.15 | BinBasher | Iridos: I did this https://people.debian.org/~schultmc/locales.html and selected all of them but it didn't work |
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| 14:46.05 | Iridos | I can see them |
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| 14:47.10 | Iridos | seems to be hindi, as I got there googling the character |
| 14:47.15 | Iridos | urgh, not pasting that url |
| 14:47.43 | Iridos | bit.ly/1S36nKD |
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| 14:48.43 | Iridos | hm, firefox doesn't tell what it is |
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| 14:49.26 | BinBasher | Iridos: http://i.imgur.com/XsSzORG.png this is what I'm seeing, could you help me fix it? |
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| 14:50.08 | Iridos | BinBasher, do you have fonts-freefont-ttf installed? |
| 14:50.43 | BinBasher | Iridos: I do now |
| 14:50.45 | catbehemoth | should I be worried with iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-7265D-19.ucode (-2) in dmesg? it fails with 19,18,17 but then load 16 fine? |
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| 14:51.15 | catbehemoth | I have the iwlwifi backport installed so should be the latest |
| 14:51.27 | BinBasher | Iridos: ah, fixed! thanks |
| 14:51.42 | mtn | catbehemoth: does your wireless work ok? |
| 14:51.52 | Iridos | yw |
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| 14:52.24 | Iridos | BinBasher, this had nothing to do with locales.... only with the fonts you have installed |
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| 14:52.47 | Iridos | BinBasher, if you want all the silly simleys and stuff to display, you can do mkdir ~/.fonts;cd ~/.fonts/;wget http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/Symbola.zip;unzip Sym*.zip |
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| 14:53.23 | catbehemoth | mtn: yes until I put the pc to sleep |
| 14:53.29 | catbehemoth | mtn: then it hangs |
| 14:53.59 | catbehemoth | mtn: thats why I went with backports for the kernel and firmware (read online that it should resolve the issue) |
| 14:54.17 | mtn | catbehemoth: if it works in the first place, then the error does not matter. you are getting the right firmware installed |
| 14:55.16 | catbehemoth | mtn: ok, but will it break anything if I get the ucodes from kernel.og and place them manually or I shouldn't do that, I have seeing red in dmesg |
| 14:55.16 | BinBasher | alright Iridos thanks for clarifying |
| 14:55.18 | mtn | catbehemoth: which kernel are you running? |
| 14:55.35 | catbehemoth | mtn: 4.4.0 amd64 jessie-backports |
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| 14:56.02 | catbehemoth | mtn: the wifi simply refuses to work on default jessie kernel |
| 14:56.09 | mtn | catbehemoth: ok, some intel need the newer kernel, so that is good |
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| 15:02.03 | catbehemoth | mtn: also is it normal that dmesg says: iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware iwlwifi-7265D-16.ucode, but modinfo iwlwifi | grep firmware says iwlwifi-7265D-13.ucode? |
| 15:02.52 | mtn | catbehemoth: sorry, no idea |
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| 15:06.03 | catbehemoth | mtn: if I have firmware-iwlwifi installed from main and then installed from backports, will backports have priority? |
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| 15:06.42 | mtn | catbehemoth: the one from backports should have replaced the one from stable |
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| 15:07.43 | catbehemoth | mtn: ok then I guess Ill have to live with the errors in dmesg (dont care that much about sleep, Ill simply not make it sleep, its a NUC it east 34W at full load) |
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| 15:17.38 | alfatau | hello all. I would like to print some messages on serial console during boot. I've a systemd service which executes a script where i print some messages using systemd-cat. however it appears only in log files and not on serial. I need these logs when filesystem mount fails. Actually i'm saving messages through serial to file. can you help me? |
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| 15:21.27 | algun | hi. is there perhaps a common reason as to why the system would freeze at the gdm login? |
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| 15:21.49 | mtn | algun: video driver |
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| 15:23.30 | algun | mtn: i have the free radeon driver and a nonfree blob. Used to work for me before. . |
| 15:23.41 | mtn | algun: so, what did you change? |
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| 15:25.06 | algun | i installed the system anew, not sure what else might be different except xorg.conf? |
| 15:25.33 | mtn | algun: do you even have one. you shouldn't need one |
| 15:25.45 | algun | but im pretty sure i rm'd the .conf in the first place bc of the hang |
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| 15:26.26 | algun | sec |
| 15:27.37 | algun | rebooting. if i dont let it try to draw anyhing i can quickly switch back to text mode and see |
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| 15:29.21 | TxGVNN | hi everyone. I want to practice my project about https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall. |
| 15:29.21 | TxGVNN | Follow the guide in link. It required three computer. But i use VirtualBox for demo. Can i use two VM? |
| 15:29.21 | TxGVNN | One for gateway and DHCP,TFTP server. |
| 15:29.21 | TxGVNN | One for the Client |
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| 15:29.59 | algun | mtn: no xorg.conf |
| 15:30.29 | mtn | algun: which version of debian? |
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| 15:30.41 | algun | testing |
| 15:30.56 | TxGVNN | hi everyone. I want to practice my project about https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall. |
| 15:31.03 | TxGVNN | Follow the guide in link. It required three computer. But i use VirtualBox for demo. Can i use two VM? |
| 15:31.10 | TxGVNN | One for gateway and DHCP,TFTP server. |
| 15:31.10 | TxGVNN | One for the Client |
| 15:31.18 | mtn | algun: ah, that changes without warning. try #debian-next on the oftc.net server |
| 15:31.41 | TxGVNN | this is correct, isn't it? |
| 15:32.03 | algun | mtn: why fragment? i had more luck here |
| 15:32.20 | mtn | algun: because that is the channel that supports testing |
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| 15:32.39 | algun | doesnt mean this one isnt |
| 15:32.52 | mtn | !testing |
| 15:32.53 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 15:33.53 | algun | mtn yes |
| 15:34.46 | TxGVNN | Can one answer for me? |
| 15:35.43 | algun | TxGVNN: not sure, ask #virtualbox |
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| 15:36.43 | mcsmurf | hi, is there a special channel for development of Debian packages? or is this channel here fine? |
| 15:36.44 | TxGVNN | virtualbox is example :( |
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| 15:37.10 | markybob | mcsmurf: #debian-mentors at irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:38.31 | algun | yay an update did it! alas, testing |
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| 15:49.09 | mcsmurf | markybob: thanks, will take a look |
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| 16:42.17 | raspberry_pi | hola algun |
| 16:42.45 | raspberry_pi | algun le metes al español ? |
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| 16:48.31 | beastwick987 | When installing on an UEFI system is it still necessary to create a separate boot partition? |
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| 16:50.35 | Iridos | try it and see? Or make an unencrypted /boot so you don't have to install a 2nd time if it doesn't boot |
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| 16:52.00 | beastwick987 | Iridos, I actually didn't create a separate boot. Well, it's technically with my root partition. Using UEFI boot it boots fine. |
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| 16:53.31 | Iridos | I usually now just make a small /boot ... it makes the amount of things that go wrong more... managable |
| 16:54.12 | beastwick987 | yeah I forgot to do that, but it is working, so I'm not going to rearrange things just yet. |
| 16:54.25 | beastwick987 | I was just wondering if boot becomes irrelevant with EFI |
| 16:54.51 | Iridos | it should have become irrelevant with LBA in the early 2000ds |
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| 16:55.43 | Iridos | it's only about one and a half decades later, so surely it's still a problem |
| 16:55.45 | beastwick987 | logical block addressing? |
| 16:56.21 | Iridos | yes, shouldn't that have removed the limits on disk addressing? |
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| 16:57.16 | beastwick987 | By the sound of what I am reading on Wikipedia, yes. |
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| 16:57.29 | beastwick987 | We could just keep an address table of where to boot I take it. |
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| 16:58.14 | beastwick987 | Don't boot loaders do that? |
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| 16:58.41 | Iridos | *shrug* |
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| 16:58.46 | beastwick987 | lol |
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| 16:59.24 | Iridos | anyway, an unencrypted /boot makes sense with encrypted disks to reduce complexity |
| 16:59.53 | beastwick987 | EFI is encrypted right? Needs keys and all that jazz? |
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| 17:00.40 | beastwick987 | Well not encrypted, but secure... |
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| 17:00.49 | Iridos | I haven't needed to use any of those yet... my desktop is before that time and I bought a used laptop -->same |
| 17:01.26 | Iridos | but I encrypted the disks on both while installing ... and so far all the problems I expected have failed to materialize |
| 17:01.51 | beastwick987 | Interesting, I never bothered with drive encryption. |
| 17:01.55 | beastwick987 | Does it degrade performance? |
| 17:02.10 | Iridos | probably |
| 17:02.34 | Iridos | but for desktop/laptop... *shrug* |
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| 17:03.07 | beastwick987 | do u need a password each time u boot? Or its more like if someone stole your hdd they cant directly read? |
| 17:03.18 | Iridos | I think I even looked that up and it is maybe ~5% slower |
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| 17:03.45 | Iridos | I need a pass phrase on each boot... |
| 17:04.39 | Iridos | but for a laptop that can easily be stolen, that makes a lot of sense anyway |
| 17:05.23 | algun | raspberry_pi: i dont see you there |
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| 17:06.11 | Iridos | and for my desktop at work... disposing of disks is always a chore at work because data privacy protection is a big issue. |
| 17:06.14 | beastwick987 | Yes it does, I would encrypt my laptop. |
| 17:06.31 | beastwick987 | Iridos, stab a screw driver through the plates. |
| 17:06.33 | Iridos | so I'm glad if the disk dies I will just be able to say that there is no sensitive data on it |
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| 17:07.19 | Iridos | beastwick987, that may be impractical, e.g. if you want to return the disk for warranty |
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| 17:07.33 | algun | what if "there is no sensitive data on it" was your passphrase? |
| 17:07.47 | Iridos | I guess that would be funny? |
| 17:07.52 | beastwick987 | lol |
| 17:07.58 | algun | i guess not |
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| 17:09.52 | Iridos | anyway, so far I had no problems with encrypted disks... I guess when the disks start to fail errors that are easily recoverable on an unencrypted disk might be a problem |
| 17:10.01 | knosys | hello guys, do u have any idea about why this occurs? : wlan0: deauthenticated from ma:c::add:r:es:s (Reason: 7=CLASS3_FRAME_FROM_NONASSOC_STA) |
| 17:10.12 | algun | How much slower is an encrypted partition, and what's the CPU usage? |
| 17:10.44 | knosys | really offten, like every 2 hour or so, I loose connection to the internet and had to reset wifi device |
| 17:11.03 | knosys | I can see that message in Syslog |
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| 17:11.56 | Iridos | knosys, when I search for that error in duckduckgo, this is hit #1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2287034 and the last entry seems to have a solution |
| 17:12.20 | knosys | oh, thanks you Iridos |
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| 17:15.29 | knosys | You can create a script in /etc/pm/power.d/ |
| 17:15.36 | knosys | nice, found solution |
| 17:15.56 | knosys | but that directory doesnt exist on my debian, where would i put power management startup scripts in deb?? |
| 17:16.11 | knosys | im trying to find it on my own searching too |
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| 17:16.25 | knosys | like "power management debian" |
| 17:17.12 | Iridos | knosys, try if "iwconfig wlan0 power off" means you stop having disconnects before bothering about a script? |
| 17:17.36 | knosys | isnt easy to test |
| 17:17.52 | Iridos | very easy |
| 17:17.52 | knosys | but yeah, i guess ill do that |
| 17:17.57 | Iridos | execute it, see if the problem is gone |
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| 17:18.06 | knosys | well, its easy, just long |
| 17:18.07 | Iridos | only takes a while to test, but very very easy |
| 17:18.13 | knosys | yeah |
| 17:18.14 | Iridos | :) |
| 17:18.41 | Iridos | and I actually have /etc/pm/power.d/ here |
| 17:18.49 | Iridos | it's empty, though |
| 17:19.04 | Iridos | the directory is from the package pm-utils |
| 17:19.07 | knosys | pm dir doesnt exist here |
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| 17:19.27 | knosys | Error for wireless request "Set Power Management" (8B2C) : |
| 17:19.29 | knosys | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.50 | Iridos | so no need to bother about a script |
| 17:19.57 | knosys | im using same wireless device that the dude who created that post |
| 17:20.08 | knosys | yeah looks like that |
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| 17:20.56 | Aaklo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.10 | Iridos | Aaklo, you might have wanted to do that in the "freenode" tab of your client |
| 17:23.12 | johnkeates | and now we know your password |
| 17:23.19 | johnkeates | imagine if we were to change it to something you don't know... |
| 17:23.19 | Iridos | knosys, you could install pm-utils, as those were obviously installed. I don't see why that should make a difference, though. |
| 17:23.34 | Aaklo | Oh~ |
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| 17:23.41 | Iridos | johnkeates, we only know his intended password, though :) |
| 17:23.50 | edoardo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:23.58 | Ooze | WOW |
| 17:24.18 | Ooze | who would use password as their password? |
| 17:24.21 | Ooze | are you stupid? |
| 17:24.22 | johnkeates | you |
| 17:24.33 | Ooze | ;) |
| 17:24.42 | Iridos | he was making a joke... can we move on? |
| 17:25.28 | TomTomTosch | so... turkeys entire citizenship database released on the internet. ooooops. |
| 17:26.04 | johnkeates | is it like The Fappening where it also includes naked pictures of everyone? |
| 17:26.16 | TomTomTosch | only personal dat. |
| 17:26.19 | TomTomTosch | *data |
| 17:26.27 | nkuttler | !ot |
| 17:26.28 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 17:26.49 | TomTomTosch | oh, sry. wrong tab >> |
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| 17:27.21 | edoardo | "only" personal data |
| 17:27.24 | edoardo | """"only"""" |
| 17:27.28 | edoardo | [/ot] |
| 17:27.28 | Parrhesiastes | does brother printer drivers usually come in 64 bit for linux? can only find 32 bit |
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| 17:28.34 | Parrhesiastes | (talking about this one hll2360dlpr-3.2.0-1.i386.deb) |
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| 17:30.23 | Parrhesiastes | btw ive found wireless to not be a great way to connect printer, eg might have to turn it on and off and stuff to get it to print(probably because its asleep *shrug), or am i doing something wrong? wired network of usb seems to work a whole lot better/faster |
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| 17:31.34 | Parrhesiastes | ill ask in oftc too |
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| 17:36.28 | chizbang | Hi! |
| 17:36.49 | chizbang | What would be the best way to backup my OSX partition on Linux? |
| 17:36.50 | chizbang | dd? |
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| 17:44.30 | Langley | Help, I have some videos where the subtitles dont show up in SMplayer, even though they are turned on. They show up on my Mageia machine, but with some "noise" at the end, so perhaps it's a strange font... but how can I get it? |
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| 17:47.54 | beastwick987 | chizbang What file format does OSX use? |
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| 17:54.45 | Langley | Also it works in VLC... maybe I should just use that |
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| 18:01.09 | tharkun | What would be my weapon of choice if I where looking for a css compliant hsl color viewer and converted from rgb. Yes, I suck at using aptitude/dpkg for searching |
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| 18:02.10 | k_j | i m desperated |
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| 18:02.17 | k_j | i cannot find an answer for a simple task |
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| 18:02.44 | edoardo | tharkun: agave |
| 18:02.46 | k_j | i need to know what pre and post script are contained and will be executed in a given .deb |
| 18:02.59 | k_j | it is apparently easy but google does not help |
| 18:03.03 | k_j | nor the manuals |
| 18:03.17 | tharkun | k_j: ar is your friend unpack and poke the .deb until satisfied. Add salt and pepper to your liking |
| 18:04.02 | tharkun | edoardo: Looking into it. Yet I do not have gnome installed. |
| 18:04.23 | edoardo | I have xfce and i installed it just fine. |
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| 18:04.45 | edoardo | Obv it pulls some gnome dependances |
| 18:04.48 | tharkun | edoardo: mostly headless servers and a laptop running fb |
| 18:05.05 | edoardo | Oh wait, that's a graphical tool |
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| 18:05.18 | edoardo | Not a cli |
| 18:05.30 | tharkun | lol :) |
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| 18:14.02 | tharkun | edoardo: Just in case you feel like crunching some numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSL_and_HSV |
| 18:14.27 | edoardo | I can look at the pictures! |
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| 18:17.35 | _abc_ | hello, can someone please help me understand why host(1) ignores entries in /etc/hosts excepting localhost on wheezy? |
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| 18:18.17 | _abc_ | host localhost -> 127.0.0.1 and the ipv6 address; host wheezy -> long lookup and timeout where wheezy is in /etc/hosts as '192.168.1.x wheezy' |
| 18:18.46 | _abc_ | This used to work and no longer works. Manpage is not helpful. Was host(1) modified somehow in the last few years please? |
| 18:19.25 | jmcnaught | _abc_: do you have a "search example.com" in your /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 18:19.38 | _abc_ | No |
| 18:19.59 | _abc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.06 | _abc_ | This seems to be related: http://serverfault.com/questions/498500/why-does-the-host-command-not-resolve-entries-in-etc-hosts |
| 18:20.27 | _abc_ | Note I set 'order hosts bind' and that still does not work okay |
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| 18:21.34 | _abc_ | My /etc/nsswitch.conf is exactly as in that link, did not change it. |
| 18:22.05 | _abc_ | getent hosts wheezy |
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| 18:22.16 | _abc_ | fails with the same kind of timeout as hosts does. |
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| 18:22.32 | _abc_ | Also putting wheezy after 127.0.0.1 localhost in /etc/hosts also does not resolve it. |
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| 18:22.36 | _abc_ | What the h* |
| 18:22.46 | jmcnaught | !enter |
| 18:22.46 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:23.09 | _abc_ | Okay getent hosts wheezy finally returned the answer from /etc/hosts, after about 10 seconds. This is far too long! |
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| 18:23.39 | Shark_ | Hi Guys, i am running PlayOnLinux 4.2.5 on 64 bit debian jessie installation. During a test run, i encountered several errors and need ur help, errors are here >> http://pastebin.com/zADB5Y5X |
| 18:23.48 | Shark_ | wine 1.6.2 is installed |
| 18:24.01 | Shark_ | playonlinux was installed under a chroot env, wondering if these errors couldb e in relation to same chrooted env. |
| 18:24.01 | jmcnaught | _abc_: you could put your /etc/nsswitch.conf and sample lines from /etc/hosts into a pastebin (don't use pastebin though it sucks) if you want folks to peer review it |
| 18:24.20 | _abc_ | Sorry about 'hitting ENTER' repeatedly. Am a little irate after I noticed this "new" problem. getent and host seem to ignore nsswitch.conf |
| 18:24.50 | jmcnaught | _abc_: it just makes you hard to follow, it gets worse when multiple people are talking |
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| 18:25.45 | _abc_ | jmcnaught: my hosts is plain jane, just default ipv4 and 6 localhost and one line added as above. nsswitch.conf is exactly as in the serverfault.com link I posted above, and unchanged by me, stock wheezy. I can paste locally I run my own pastebin. That is not the problem. I'm interested in other folks who see a looong lookup time for local hosts declared in /etc/hosts? Anyone? Tia. |
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| 18:27.37 | _abc_ | Also the lookup with getent takes the same long time every time it is run, there is no caching. netstat shows some system script spawned by NetworkManager which executes 'host -t soa local' hung since system boot. Shown in ps -aux and also keeps a socket open seen in netstat. |
| 18:27.44 | frikinz | I have 127.0.1.1 zeus.mydomain.com zeus |
| 18:27.50 | _abc_ | Does it work? |
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| 18:28.07 | jmcnaught | Shark_: are you using the playonlinux debian package? why are you running playonlinux as root? |
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| 18:29.44 | Shark_ | <jmcnaught> : yes i'm using the debian package of playonlinux. the chroot env. was installed by root, how can i run playonlinux without root account? |
| 18:29.59 | Shark_ | jmcnaught: yes i'm using the debian package of playonlinux. the chroot env. was installed by root, how can i run playonlinux without root account? |
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| 18:30.32 | _abc_ | getent hosts localhost completely ignores /etc/hosts; after commenting out localhost ipv6 entries it returns the same ipv6 entry on query. ::1 !! |
| 18:30.56 | _abc_ | What the !!!! |
| 18:30.56 | markybob | Shark_: did you try installing xdg-utils ? |
| 18:30.56 | jmcnaught | Shark_: i don't use playonlinux, but if you need to be root to use it, just don't use it. have you tried running it as a regular user? |
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| 18:33.00 | Mathisen | Hello is there anyone that can help me with an OpenVAS problem.. i run a check script for it and it complains that i dont got my redis-server is not running but it is >> http://paste.debian.net/423889/ if anyone got any ideas it would be realy helpful. i can add that i have edited my redis.conf and uncommented 2 lines > 1. unixsocket /tmp/redis.sock 2. unixsocketperm 700 |
| 18:33.04 | Shark_ | jmcnaught: i am not able to use chroot command as ordinary user |
| 18:34.09 | jmcnaught | Shark_: why do you need to chroot? |
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| 18:34.25 | Shark_ | markybob: xdg-utils was not installed. let me install and test also |
| 18:35.19 | Shark_ | jmcnaught: i needed to have wine and playonlinux in a separated env |
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| 18:36.02 | jmcnaught | Shark_: chroot doesn't really give you any security at all. do you mean that you need wine and playonlinux to be separate from each other? |
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| 18:36.28 | markybob | iirc playonlinux downloads it's own wine |
| 18:37.21 | DammitJim | what program should I use to automatically mount a remote samba share? |
| 18:37.25 | Shark_ | jmcnaught: i wanted both in same env. |
| 18:37.45 | _abc_ | Okay I am stumped. http://5.12.50.142:8881/mypaste/0b76ac15314719c0f324/hosts-resolver-failures-0.txt |
| 18:37.51 | _abc_ | Any inputs would be welcome |
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| 18:38.27 | tako | debhelper, i need help |
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| 18:38.48 | SwK | whats the correct way to create an alias named package for a deb repo? |
| 18:39.05 | SwK | lets say I have a package foo-meta-all and I want it to be aliased as foo-all |
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| 18:39.35 | jmcnaught | Shark_: trying to put it in a chroot is not the right thing to do. just run it as a regular user, wine makes it's on hidden directory in the user's $HOME and keeps its files there |
| 18:39.39 | greycat | Packages don't have "aliases". You can either have package A provide meta-package B, or have package B depend on package A. |
| 18:39.44 | _abc_ | DammitJim: Automounter helps with automatically mounting smb and other volumes upon access. |
| 18:39.51 | greycat | s/meta-package/virtual package/ |
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| 18:40.06 | DammitJim | _abc_, thanks... I've been reading about that |
| 18:40.09 | Shark_ | jmcnaught: ok let me try that |
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| 18:40.31 | DammitJim | this automounter will help with a remote server being offline while the server turns on, right? |
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| 18:40.32 | SwK | greycat, or so simply just have a mostly blank package that depends on the real package is a correct way to do that just to be clear |
| 18:40.38 | _abc_ | DammitJim: also you can automate this other ways, smbd can execute a command on logon / startup which will mount whatever you want. |
| 18:40.42 | DammitJim | then when the remote server becomes available and I try to use the mount, it'll mount it? |
| 18:40.59 | greycat | SwK: yes. That's what "gnome" and other meta-packages do. |
| 18:41.03 | DammitJim | thanks _abc_ this is a server we don't log on to.. this is more for applications using this resource |
| 18:41.08 | _abc_ | DammitJim: Not exactly, but it can be programmed to time out gracefully and issue an error message somehow. |
| 18:41.10 | DammitJim | I had an entry in fstab, but it doesn't seem to work |
| 18:41.16 | SwK | greycat, thanks much |
| 18:41.38 | DammitJim | oh really? so, best thing for now for me should be to have a cron job check on this and email me if the mount isn't there? |
| 18:41.49 | _abc_ | So who broke getent and host(1) please? Any comments on my paste? |
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| 18:42.09 | _abc_ | DammitJim: there are other tools for this, ones which ping the server and or more. |
| 18:42.20 | DammitJim | that's what I'm looking for |
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| 18:42.28 | DammitJim | what other tools does #debian suggest? |
| 18:42.35 | DammitJim | autofs? |
| 18:42.37 | koollman | Devastator: I would try to understand why the fstab entry does not work |
| 18:42.40 | _abc_ | Server and network management tools provide such surveillance and announcing DammitJim |
| 18:42.45 | koollman | err. sorry. that was for DammitJim |
| 18:42.47 | jmcnaught | _abc_: so this computer's hostname is wheezy? |
| 18:42.51 | _abc_ | jmcnaught: yes |
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| 18:43.16 | DammitJim | kooldavi, from what I understand, the resource wasn't available at the time when the server came up |
| 18:43.19 | _abc_ | jmcnaught: note ipv6.ko was removed from modules! it is not even present in the kernel. |
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| 18:43.51 | jmcnaught | _abc_: then you should have a line that says "127.0.1.1 wheezy". the computer should be able to resolve its own hostname to an IP on the loopback interface |
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| 18:45.28 | jmcnaught | _abc_: if you want other computers on the LAN to resolve "wheezy" as 192.168.1.11, then put that in their hosts files, or use dnsmasq on your router or something |
| 18:45.29 | _abc_ | Tried that too. Same outcome. 10 seconds. |
| 18:45.57 | _abc_ | Also host(1) fails to do the same lookup in both cases but works for host localhost |
| 18:46.00 | Shark_ | debhelper |
| 18:46.19 | _abc_ | Which means someoone hacked the mechanisms some time to add "default" functionality I think. |
| 18:46.24 | _abc_ | I have no other explanation. |
| 18:46.29 | DammitJim | silly question, _abc_ how bad would it be for me to have a cron job running: mount -a |
| 18:46.59 | _abc_ | DammitJim: mount -a is somewhat safe in that it will fail to do something dangerous under normal circumstances if the mount is already present. |
| 18:47.17 | _abc_ | DammitJim: If it *ever* runs while you fsck another volume bad things will happen. So don't. |
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| 18:47.25 | DammitJim | oh |
| 18:47.26 | DammitJim | ok |
| 18:47.28 | DammitJim | hhmmmm |
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| 18:47.38 | DammitJim | maybe if I just do: mount /mnt/<mymount> |
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| 18:48.07 | DammitJim | dammit |
| 18:48.09 | _abc_ | Also on debian things don't "fail". You can look at logs. crond emails you with failures. Checked cron job user's log? |
| 18:48.11 | DammitJim | I now have 2 mounts for the same thing |
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| 18:48.22 | Pseudo | hi there |
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| 18:48.30 | DammitJim | _abc_, yes.... I need to somehow wire this to email me |
| 18:48.49 | Pseudo | how do i update the XS screen saver |
| 18:48.54 | _abc_ | DammitJim: if a cont job fails it emails the owner of the crontable. Usually root for what you are doing. |
| 18:49.19 | greycat | "fails" in the context of a cron job means "generates output on stdout or stderr" |
| 18:49.21 | DammitJim | yeah, but I don't log on as root |
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| 18:49.27 | greycat | All output is mailed to the job's owner. |
| 18:49.29 | Pseudo | there seem is a slight;y warning for it as this version of xscreen version is very old on deb 8 stable brance |
| 18:49.36 | DammitJim | I noticed cron emails the user for everything |
| 18:49.38 | greycat | Root's email should be forwarded to your main account. |
| 18:49.51 | _abc_ | DammitJim: that command must run as root or under sudo. Under sudo failures are also logged to syslog. See man 5 contab and variable MAILTO |
| 18:50.05 | Eldunar | hello, can u tell me how to hel cpu usage in % in output which look like this " XX%" ? |
| 18:50.09 | Pseudo | their official website is dead no link to get the source code |
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| 18:50.34 | Eldunar | i do not want gui tool;) |
| 18:50.36 | greycat | Eldunar: that's so vague. What are you trying to do? How do you want to handle modern multi-core systems? |
| 18:50.43 | DammitJim | thanks guys |
| 18:50.53 | DammitJim | I guess I have to start taking a look at forwarding all those |
| 18:51.10 | DammitJim | I guess in the mean time, I'll do a cron job to check for the mount and mount it if not present |
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| 18:51.30 | _abc_ | Any ideas on my weird host(1) and getent hosts * behavior? |
| 18:51.38 | Eldunar | greycat, hmmm i think it would be best to have average of percent value of usage |
| 18:51.40 | jmcnaught | Pseudo: don't worry about it. the upstream author put a timer in xscreensaver that prints this message, ignorant of how stable distros work. there's a bugreport for it already where you can read the upstream author being a jerk: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819703 |
| 18:51.41 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/819703 in xscreensaver (open, patch): «xscreensaver: please disable "This version of XScreenSaver is very old! Please upgrade!" message»; severity: important; opened: 2016-04-01; last modified: 2016-04-04. |
| 18:51.45 | _abc_ | Who "improved" these please? I want to thank someone. |
| 18:51.50 | Eldunar | greycat, 4 cores load / 4 |
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| 18:52.13 | Pseudo | ok thank you jmcnaught |
| 18:52.15 | jmcnaught | _abc_: it's probably only broken for you. keep looking for any changes you made from a stock system. |
| 18:52.49 | _abc_ | Did not make any. Fun fact: an etch I am also running does not have the problem. |
| 18:53.25 | _abc_ | bbl sammich time# |
| 18:54.00 | Eldunar | greycat, i want to get current usage in percents, via simple command |
| 18:54.57 | greycat | Eldunar: there is no simple command, and it is not a simple request. |
| 18:55.50 | greycat | I looked at vmstat, but you'd need at least a one second delay to let it measure for the current second, and then report. That may still be the best standard choice. I looked at top, and searched for "format" but it looks hopeless. |
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| 18:56.30 | miesco | Hi. How do I move down a page in the info about a package in aptitude? |
| 18:56.57 | greycat | The real issue is that a CPU is never "a percent busy". A CPU is either idle, or not. 0% or 100%. If you want an average of the number of idle ticks over a given time interval (e.g. one second) then you have to measure ticks used divided by total ticks in the interval. |
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| 18:57.14 | greycat | That's why vmstat has to delay. There isn't a "log" of this information that it can scan/parse. |
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| 18:57.20 | Eldunar | greycat, i tried to deal with it via : mpstat | awk '$12 ~ /[0-9.]+/ { print 100 - $12 }' but it is not good report. Or htop is lyingl) |
| 18:57.36 | greycat | I don't have an mpstat. Never heard of it. |
| 18:58.45 | koollman | this makes me realizes there's another cpu counter that is not often measured/provided (or I have never seen it). cpu occupation (as in "most of my internal units are busy" or maybe "doing this much intruction per cycle") |
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| 18:59.19 | Eldunar | greycat, ehh, so its too hard to simply read this value. So thanks ill try to find a solution ;) |
| 18:59.23 | greycat | It's certainly not a trivial matter of "my system is X% busy". That's such a meaningless figure, and it's why there's no "simple command" to do this already. |
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| 19:00.41 | koollman | Eldunar: what makes you think htop is lying ? |
| 19:00.54 | greycat | "vmstat 1 2" takes 1 second to run, and you could parse the final line. It has CPU "percents" for user/system/idle/wait/"st" |
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| 19:01.11 | greycat | The man page says "st" is "Time stolen from a virtual machine". Whatever the hell THAT means. |
| 19:01.55 | Eldunar | kooldavi, i believe that it is not lying but i said that i had different from mstat. :) I received wrong data from mstat |
| 19:02.09 | greycat | But on the other hand, if you are actually trying to generate this "percentage" number on a regular basis for a while, then letting vmstat run continuously and parsing each line as it comes out is quite reasonable. I've done that before. |
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| 19:02.55 | _abc_ | jmcnaught: Now I'm looking for rootkits. (I consider systemd a rootkit) |
| 19:03.09 | greycat | *sigh* |
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| 19:03.59 | _abc_ | to make things more interesting, host localhost now returns 127.0.0.1 AND ::1 . Remember the ::1 entry is commented out in /etc/hosts |
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| 19:06.24 | jmcnaught | _abc_: are you running nscd? if it's wheezy you probably don't have systemd unless you went out of your way to do that |
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| 19:06.42 | _abc_ | no bind and no nscd |
| 19:07.03 | _abc_ | I don't have systemd on wheezy. Was just taking a potshot at a visible target. |
| 19:07.31 | Mathisen | Hello is there anyone that can help me with an OpenVAS problem.. i run a check script for it and it complains that i dont got my redis-server is not running but it is >> http://paste.debian.net/423889/ if anyone got any ideas it would be realy helpful. i can add that i have edited my redis.conf and uncommented 2 lines > 1. unixsocket /tmp/redis.sock 2. unixsocketperm 700 |
| 19:08.21 | jmcnaught | _abc_: systemd bashing isn't going to help |
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| 19:09.51 | _abc_ | 'getent ahosts wheezy' instead of 'getent hosts wheezy' returns immediately with the 3 modes, raw, socket, dgram |
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| 19:11.02 | _abc_ | thus getaddrinfo(3) must work right. gethostbyname() must be slowed. So it looks like a library level problem? /me tries to drill down further. |
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| 19:16.41 | _abc_ | getting closer. The /etc/resolv.conf in my config points to a router which is not on the local net of the host wheezy. Setting it to a bind on the local net speeds up 'getent hosts wheezy' to instant. So gethostbyname tries to go to the local dns instead of looking at /etc/hosts as per nsswitch.conf and host.conf which both tell it to look at hosts. Why? |
| 19:17.28 | greycat | _abc_: have you checked /etc/nsswitch.conf yet? |
| 19:17.29 | _abc_ | Now 'host localhost' returns the correct entry from /etc/hosts, but still fails and times out on 'host wheezy'. |
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| 19:17.54 | _abc_ | greycat: Yes, it is stock, unchanged by me, and identical to the one listed here: http://serverfault.com/questions/498500/why-does-the-host-command-not-resolve-entries-in-etc-hosts and in my pastebin linked above |
| 19:18.04 | _abc_ | And does the right thing. |
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| 19:18.38 | greycat | why the hell would I want to open a serverfault.com url... |
| 19:18.49 | _abc_ | My paste is also dangerous?! |
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| 19:19.09 | _abc_ | The line in my nsswitch.conf is exactly: hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 19:19.28 | greycat | In any case, if your says "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns" or something similar, with "files" first, then it will look in "files" (which means /etc/hosts) before consulting other services. |
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| 19:19.45 | balance | hi |
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| 19:20.20 | balance | cd /var/www/foo/some/very/long/path/yeey/cow - can I somehow create a shortcut for that so I can do e.g. cd meeow instead? |
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| 19:21.04 | greycat | You can put it in a shell variable, and then cd "$var" |
| 19:21.10 | teraflops | For your user? Create an alias |
| 19:21.19 | greycat | Or you can put the entire command (including the cd) in a shell function or alias. |
| 19:21.30 | dwltr | where would I ask about intermittant connectivity problems running ap-get update and seeing |
| 19:21.47 | teraflops | greycat: your solutuon sounds better ;) |
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| 19:21.50 | dwltr | W: Failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 131.252.208.20 80] |
| 19:22.02 | greycat | !squeeze sources.list |
| 19:22.02 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run «aptitude update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 19:22.44 | balance | greycat, teraflops ty |
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| 19:23.46 | dwltr | Err http://httpredir.debian.org squeeze-lts/main amd64 Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 131.252.208.20 80] |
| 19:24.07 | _abc_ | greycat: I know the theory. It does show that. The files lookup happens not at all or last if the /etc/resolv.conf nameserver points at a bind not on the immediate local net. There's a nat router between the wheezy host and the bind it usually uses. That works fine for internet hosts, just not local ones. |
| 19:24.11 | dwltr | but it's one of the standard sources that fails? |
| 19:24.48 | greycat | !squeeze sources.list |
| 19:24.49 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main". Put "Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf and run «aptitude update». Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze-lts> <squeeze-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 19:25.05 | teraflops | dwltr: the url has changed now for squeeze is in archive.debian.org afaik |
| 19:25.26 | teraflops | EOL? |
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| 19:25.56 | jmcnaught | dwltr: this is because squeeze is no longer supported, the LTS is done too. there won't be any more updates for squeeze, even from those archive.debian.org repos (they're just archives) |
| 19:25.58 | dwltr | Ah. The official docker image hasn't been updated to reflect this? |
| 19:26.20 | jmcnaught | dwltr: that "official" docker image is probably official to docker, not debian |
| 19:26.21 | greycat | The who what now? |
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| 19:27.01 | greycat | It is entirely possible that your "official docker whatthefuck" is out of date, yes. |
| 19:27.20 | jmcnaught | dwltr: https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/docker_run_debian/ for some notes on how non-standard docker stuff can be. |
| 19:27.34 | Shark_ | jmcnaught: You and schroot have helped me run playonlinux as non-root and all is well. Now installing windows programs |
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| 19:28.54 | teraflops | Since when do people need to run playonlinux or wine as root? |
| 19:29.21 | jmcnaught | Shark_: schroot just might be overkill too. do you just want to to prevent wine from accessing the files in your home dir or something? |
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| 19:30.57 | _abc_ | updated problem description, with cat'd files, the "solution" of setting the dns on the local net works and is repeatable. Why, I don't understand. http://5.12.50.142:8881/mypaste/0b76ac15314719c0f324/hosts-resolver-failures-1.txt |
| 19:31.25 | dwltr | I was testing on GCE with docker images running an apt-get update and network appeared to be fine, but httpredir was failing. |
| 19:31.37 | greycat | httpredir is a piece of shit |
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| 19:32.03 | greycat | I had a dpkg factoid telling people this (in more diplomatic terms), but either it's gone or I can't remember its name :( |
| 19:32.21 | dwltr | I guess I can't certify ownership or the officialness of the docker images. |
| 19:32.33 | markybob | greycat: i tried to call it up the other day and mentioned your nick. not sure if you saw that |
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| 19:32.45 | greycat | Did you ever find it? |
| 19:33.02 | markybob | greycat: no |
| 19:33.16 | greycat | Someone probably nuked it, then. Maybe accidentally, maybe not. |
| 19:33.37 | Shark_ | jmcnaught: yes exactly for now separate jail for wine programs. wanted to get playonlinux running fine as non-root |
| 19:33.39 | greycat | There are a lot of <reply>see factoids in this area. |
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| 19:34.24 | jmcnaught | dwltr: docker's "run applications as PID 1" is batshit crazy if you ask me. i'm surprised people don't lose their minds over this the way people do over systemd |
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| 19:35.52 | jmcnaught | Shark_: okay. chroots aren't a security feature, they're really easy to break out of. chroots are more of a convenience feature, for doing things like "i want to run a program that needs a different libc without breaking my system" |
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| 19:36.53 | jmcnaught | Shark_: also you should never again try running regular programs as root. root is for doing system maintenance only. |
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| 19:37.49 | greycat | dpkg, httpredir issues is <reply>The <httpredir> service selects bad mirrors for some people. If you're one of them, try explicitly choosing a mirror: "deb http://ftp.XX.debian.org/debian jessie main" etc. (where XX is your, or a nearby, country code). |
| 19:37.49 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
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| 19:38.26 | Shark_ | jmcnaught: Agree 100%, thanks boss |
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| 19:42.16 | jmcnaught | Shark_: don't call me boss :P something you might want to check out in the future is firejail, which looks like it might get included in Debian 9. maybe it will get backported, or maybe there's something like it in jessie |
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| 19:44.50 | _abc_ | updated http://5.12.50.142:8881/mypaste/0b76ac15314719c0f324/hosts-resolver-failures-2.txt ;; final for today, these is definitely a bug in there. If anyone can confirm it, please do so. Thanks. |
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| 19:45.34 | bin_bash | when is debian going to embrace vim and stop using nano |
| 19:45.49 | Shark_ | jmcnaught: alright then sir ;) |
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| 19:46.16 | markybob | bin_bash: the minute you learn to use update-alternatives |
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| 19:47.16 | _abc_ | Speaking of learning. Is there a way to select/apply some attribute (like '+') to several packages at once in a view in aptitude? |
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| 19:47.50 | _abc_ | I was unable to do that and it was not nice. I think there should be a way to do a multiple select and apply? For example 'all pending security updates'? |
| 19:47.53 | njumdl2014 | When will Firefox ESR come to backport for stable or jessie? |
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| 19:48.19 | markybob | njumdl2014: already there. http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 19:49.18 | njumdl2014 | it's not the official mirror |
| 19:49.52 | markybob | njumdl2014: it's official as in it's the same developers... |
| 19:49.54 | greycat | Well, what answer do you want to hear? Jessie is stable, and firefox is not going to replace iceweasel in the middle of a stable release's lifetime. |
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| 19:50.30 | njumdl2014 | I get my answer. |
| 19:50.53 | markybob | *shrug* |
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| 19:54.44 | njumdl2014 | @greycat, @markybob thanks |
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| 19:57.11 | _abc_ | squeeze was before wheezy? Or after? |
| 19:57.21 | _abc_ | After I think |
| 19:57.45 | tjcarter | ...does changing GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT to text in /etc/default/grub actually do what you expect under systemd or does one need to modify systemd's symlinks? |
| 19:57.51 | markybob | _abc_: squeeze was before |
| 19:57.52 | Iridos | _abc_, /msg dpkg release history |
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| 19:58.03 | tjcarter | I haven't got a machine handy that would use grub :) |
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| 20:00.32 | jmcnaught | tjcarter: what are you changing it to, and what do you expect? systemd isn't running at the point when grub is starting the kernel |
| 20:01.48 | tjcarter | jmcnaught: Under versions of Debian where anybody knew how the hell init worked, you could use that to pass from grub whether you wanted an X11 or text-only boot. |
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| 20:02.12 | greycat | Oh, you mean a runlevel. |
| 20:02.27 | tjcarter | greycat: runlevels don't exist. It's maaaaaagic now. |
| 20:02.41 | greycat | Assuming you had configured a runlevel > 2 to be differet from runlevel 2. |
| 20:03.02 | tjcarter | Actually, Debian just started *dm at runlevel 2. |
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| 20:03.36 | tjcarter | or not, based on what kind of startup the kernel was given by grub |
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| 20:03.59 | tjcarter | but that setup controlled the default grub would give. :) |
| 20:04.10 | jmcnaught | tjcarter: it's documented magic at least. if you want to change the default target /etc/default/grub isn't the best place to do it. use "systemctl set-default multi-user" (or graphical) |
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| 20:05.29 | tjcarter | jmcnaught: Right, the question was whether on systems that use grub, the old way which was already in use by people who use this script, continues to work or not. |
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| 20:06.30 | tjcarter | I already have to have systemd vs. everything else paths for systems that don't use grub, but portability and all.. |
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| 20:07.26 | jmcnaught | tjcarter: was setting the default runlevel in grub ever the best way to do it? i thought /etc/inittab was where you'd want to set that with sysvinit |
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| 20:07.58 | tjcarter | jmcnaught: Prior to jessie, it was always runlevel 2. Graphical runlevel 2 or text runlevel 2. |
| 20:08.05 | tjcarter | but runlevel 2 nonetheless. |
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| 20:08.34 | liftedlegend | i'm using ubuntu at the moment and the touchpad stopped working for no reason. when i try to install a different os it still isn't working but the buttons are. it's a dell inspiron 1525 |
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| 20:08.44 | tjcarter | This probably had something to do with the four other inits besides sysvinit that Debian supported. :) |
| 20:09.07 | liftedlegend | so what do i do? |
| 20:09.09 | jmcnaught | tjcarter: indeed. before jessie if i didn't want GDM to start for example, i would disable that service with update-rc.d (not muck about with runlevels) |
| 20:09.22 | jmcnaught | liftedlegend: ask in #ubuntu |
| 20:09.26 | greycat | jmcnaught: that *is* how one mucked about with runlevels in Debian. |
| 20:09.33 | liftedlegend | ok thanks |
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| 20:09.39 | greycat | Unless you meant you disabled it in all runlevels, instead of just one. |
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| 20:10.23 | jmcnaught | greycat: yeah, i meant before jessie i didn't ever change default runlevels, i just enabled or disabled services |
| 20:10.57 | liftedlegend | but see i am really wanting to get debian 8.4 installed but the missing firmware files i can't figure out how to get this stuff installed and configured. can someone help me with that? i would really appreciate it. |
| 20:11.01 | tjcarter | what you're really supposed to do is change everything to the systemd way (assuming you can piece together enough random blog posts that are not out of date to understand how it works) and declare the result to require it. Systemd or bust. |
| 20:11.02 | greycat | I never really understood "I sometimes want to boot and have gdm start, and sometimes want to boot and have it not start". I just don't see how that was ever a thing anyone would ever want. |
| 20:12.00 | tjcarter | greycat: you might want it not to start if your system locks up upon starting it because you have some weird-ass video driver bug. |
| 20:12.08 | jmcnaught | well it's not like i was doing it all the time, maybe just for troubleshooting |
| 20:12.08 | greycat | Then you would remove gdm. |
| 20:12.14 | jhutchins | The Debian branch of Linux never did use runlevels the way the RH branch did. They implemented them, but didn't use them. |
| 20:12.19 | tjcarter | You have to boot in order to do that. |
| 20:12.37 | jhutchins | tjcarter: rescue/single would do that in sysv. |
| 20:12.50 | greycat | Right, booting in single-user mode was valid. |
| 20:12.53 | tjcarter | Yeah except that's not a one-size fits all solution either. |
| 20:13.17 | jmcnaught | tjcarter: systemd.target(5) and the other systemd man pages will help i guess. "systemctl list-units -t target" to get a list of targets, note you can only set one to default if its unit file has "AllowIsolate" in it |
| 20:13.40 | tjcarter | It SHOULD be, but at least SOME Debian-based distributions shipped with a locked root account and don't bother to modify systemd so that rescue.target works! |
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| 20:13.56 | tjcarter | Ask me how I know about THAT bug. >:( |
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| 20:14.08 | jhutchins | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SysVinit_to_Systemd_Cheatsheet |
| 20:14.17 | koollman | I've used runlevels before, no debian. I had a laptop with a default of "no network, no x11", then runlevels for "no network, x11", "network, no x11" and "network, x11". at the time, it was slow enough to make a difference :) |
| 20:14.25 | koollman | s/no/on/ |
| 20:14.56 | jmcnaught | liftedlegend: there's an installer image that includes firmwares, but not all of them. did you try that? is the missing firmware for your wifi? can you install using ethernet and then install the firmware packages after the first boot? |
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| 20:15.50 | jmcnaught | anyways, with systemd they're called targets now and there's man pages about them |
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| 20:15.58 | liftedlegend | i guess i could. but its b43/ucode15.fw and a couple others |
| 20:16.30 | jhutchins | For a one-off with systemd, systemd.unit=multi-user.target appended to the grub command line. |
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| 20:16.40 | tjcarter | Nutshell is that I have some scripts I didn't write here that were made for Squeeze originally--Debian or Raspbian, with assumption that Debian ran under VirtualBox most likely--and I get to port the whole mess from Wheezy to Jessie. It's > 1000 lines and makes heavy assumptions of sysvinit and how either the Raspberry Pi or a default Wheezy x86/x86_64 Debian system are configured. |
| 20:16.47 | jhutchins | For a default change, systemctl set-default multi-user.target |
| 20:16.47 | liftedlegend | i haven't tried cause last time i got to the console and that's all i had and i didn't really know how to navigate arount it. but now i have better understanding of it. |
| 20:16.53 | jmcnaught | liftedlegend: install plugged in with ethernet, and then after the install is finished and you reboot follow the instructions on this page: https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
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| 20:17.23 | tjcarter | It's of marginal interest to anyone who doesn't still own and use Apple // computers, so the many eyes solution doesn't really apply. :) |
| 20:17.24 | liftedlegend | can i get internet with ethernet connected to a pc that's connected to the wifi |
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| 20:17.53 | sweettea | say i install package z, and it also installs package y |
| 20:18.04 | sweettea | then, i remove package z, apt-get purge z |
| 20:18.07 | sweettea | package y remains |
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| 20:18.25 | sweettea | how to also delete package y? apt-get autoremove ? |
| 20:18.30 | jmcnaught | liftedlegend: sounds pretty complicated. you can't just plug the computer into an ethernet port? |
| 20:18.31 | greycat | it will show up in the verbose output of apt-get in a block marked "use apt-get autoremove" |
| 20:18.49 | greycat | I never trust that, but I sometimes manually remove packages that show up there. |
| 20:19.01 | sweettea | indeed, but i only want to remove packages pertinent to z |
| 20:19.06 | tjcarter | mostly uses aptitude for that |
| 20:19.37 | sweettea | im afraid it might remove more than i require |
| 20:20.05 | sweettea | no access to aptitude on machine, cannot instal |
| 20:20.16 | markybob | it tells you before it does anything...not like you won't know |
| 20:20.21 | jmcnaught | sweettea: so carefully review the list of packages it wants to remove before answering yes |
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| 20:20.26 | greycat | Then you aren't root, so you can't install or remove ANYTHING, so stop worrying. |
| 20:20.38 | sweettea | hm, thats actually true |
| 20:20.47 | markybob | jesus |
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| 20:21.03 | liftedlegend | what about having the firmware on a usb and where can i get the firmware |
| 20:21.18 | jmcnaught | sweettea: you can also use "--simulate" with apt-get (even as a non-root user) to see what it would do |
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| 20:22.17 | Martijn-NL | Hi everyone - my system crashed. Does anyone know which log file I need to analyze the crash? I'm looking in /var/log/ now |
| 20:22.27 | sweettea | ill install aptitude and use that instead of apt-get |
| 20:22.29 | sweettea | thank you |
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| 20:23.00 | jmcnaught | liftedlegend: that might work if you find the correct file. you could review the instructions here: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en however from what I recall the "missing firmwares" you put on a stick are the .deb files. the b43 firmware is special because it cannot be redistributed |
| 20:23.11 | Mep | I'm looking to setup my own custom debian install CD using simple-cdd. I want to import a third party package, specifically burg. How do I add the repo into my simple-cdd configuration? |
| 20:23.17 | markybob | sweettea: in what world do you live in that you think you can install aptitude without root? |
| 20:23.18 | tjcarter | aptitude does more or less the same thing in this case, it just gives you an easy solution to say "no wait, I need that!" |
| 20:23.46 | sweettea | markybob: never said i had no root, so kindly stop. |
| 20:23.48 | jmcnaught | liftedlegend: because the b43 firmware cannot be redistributed what the debian package does is downloads the firmware files from broadcom website (or somewhere) when the package is installed, meaning you need network access on a different interface for it to work |
| 20:23.48 | tjcarter | What I find strange is that the interface seems to lack an equivalent to apt-get upgrade |
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| 20:23.59 | markybob | sweettea: yeah you did. to greycat |
| 20:24.59 | liftedlegend | this is complicated. but i'm not giving up on it. i know that lol |
| 20:25.00 | greycat | 16:20 sweettea> no access to aptitude on machine, cannot instal |
| 20:25.47 | jmcnaught | liftedlegend: if you can bring the computer to somewhere you can plug in an ethernet cable, that will make the install fairly simple. |
| 20:26.06 | tjcarter | apt-get upgrade being the trivial way to upgrade all things that are not problematic to upgrade. Things that might change currently installed packages aptitude does great--better than apt-get actually--but the trivial case is the vast majority of 100+ packages. |
| 20:26.43 | Mep | Does anybody know where I should look next for this issue if nobody can help me here? |
| 20:26.48 | tjcarter | except when dealing with something like the libgnutls3.0 thing :/ |
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| 20:27.46 | jmcnaught | tjcarter: "aptitude --no-new-installs safe-upgrade" i think is the closest equivalent to "apt-get upgrade" |
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| 20:29.14 | tjcarter | jmcnaught: right, but if you're gonna use the command-line for it... There's no way to mass mark safe-upgrade packages. |
| 20:29.40 | jmcnaught | tries to pretend the aptitude TUI doesn't exist. |
| 20:29.51 | tjcarter | I like the TUI |
| 20:30.07 | tjcarter | but then I used dselect long after everyone else had long since stopped ;) |
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| 20:30.34 | tjcarter | waits for some old timer to pop up, "YOU would." |
| 20:30.49 | Mathisen | tjcarter, can i ask one thing so what should you use on a daily basis ? apt apt-get aptitude ? or is apt and apt-get same ? |
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| 20:31.39 | markybob | Mathisen: none are the same. apt tries to basically combine apt-get and apt-cache. aptitude does some magic to fix dependencies |
| 20:31.53 | tjcarter | Mathisen: apt is a suite of tools, just like dpkg is. The primary two are apt-get and apt-cache. On a daily basis, I'd suggest using unattended-upgrades which will guide you to configuring security updates. |
| 20:32.06 | greycat | tjcarter: there is also /usr/bin/apt now. |
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| 20:32.41 | Mathisen | thx for the info |
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| 20:33.14 | tjcarter | greycat: Oh, that's right! Old habits die hard. |
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| 20:33.17 | liftedlegend | does anyone know how i can make an income online? |
| 20:33.19 | liftedlegend | lol |
| 20:33.33 | markybob | i know how you can get banned |
| 20:33.35 | tjcarter | I may have used dselect long after nobody else did, but I've been using apt-get since 0.2? |
| 20:33.42 | tjcarter | Something like 0.2. |
| 20:33.54 | tjcarter | Whatever Culus' second release was. |
| 20:34.03 | greycat | I've never used aptitude, except for the occasional dist-upgrade that required it. |
| 20:34.09 | liftedlegend | i dont want to get banned if you were talking about me markybob |
| 20:34.13 | liftedlegend | i'm sorry |
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| 20:34.30 | jmcnaught | i like aptitude's search |
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| 20:34.43 | Mep | What other debian channels are there? |
| 20:34.58 | greycat | A whole slew on OFTC. A few here. |
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| 20:35.29 | tjcarter | Sad that rift never healed. |
| 20:35.46 | jmcnaught | Mep: if you're also preseeding the installer you might try using the preseed/late_command to run a script that adds your third party repo and installs the package. |
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| 20:37.02 | Looking | Hi, if I add a repository for providing packages that already exist in the main repository. will they see each others ? |
| 20:37.11 | Looking | and wich will have priority |
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| 20:37.29 | greycat | The highest version number will have priority in the absence of pinning and stuff. |
| 20:37.45 | Looking | k thx |
| 20:37.48 | markybob | !tell Looking about dontbreakdebian |
| 20:37.49 | tjcarter | Looking: if you just add two repos containing the same package without any pins, the highest version always wins. |
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| 20:38.53 | tjcarter | I have to do that on Raspbian systems because their testing repo lacks some things in jessie |
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| 20:39.19 | tjcarter | unfortunately two of those things are dependent on exact versions of the X.org server and gstreamer. |
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| 20:50.25 | jhutchins | tjcarter: There's no real rift, it's just that they moved to oftc but people kept coming here, so why not have both? |
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| 20:52.16 | tjcarter | jhutchins: OFTC itself exists because of a rift. |
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| 20:52.44 | c0fe_machine | i got some components that i want to use as SAN can I utilize Debian for this? |
| 20:53.01 | tjcarter | Between lilo and basically a handful of other opers on freenode's ancestor network. |
| 20:53.04 | c0fe_machine | or as iscsi? |
| 20:53.14 | c0fe_machine | I am a bit confused by the linguistic terminology |
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| 20:54.05 | tjcarter | c0fe_machine: Linux systems can do SAN and NAS, and bridge one to the other. |
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| 20:54.43 | tjcarter | c0fe_machine: I'm not real big on SAN or its jargon either. |
| 20:55.46 | c0fe_machine | looks like the proper term is "iSCSI target" |
| 20:57.09 | jercos | if you wanna get really freaky, you can mount a NAS on a Linux box, and expose a file on the NAS as thought it were a SAN |
| 20:57.22 | jercos | -t |
| 20:57.48 | jercos | c0fe_machine: what are the particular components? |
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| 20:58.11 | c0fe_machine | jercos: just some old mainboards, 4TB WD Reds |
| 20:58.20 | jhutchins | c0fe_machine: Most commercial SAN systems use some form of Linux. |
| 20:58.48 | jercos | eh, while I wouldn't debate that, I'd call that misleading jhutchins. |
| 20:58.51 | c0fe_machine | can iSCSI be used on WAN? |
| 20:58.53 | c0fe_machine | or local only? |
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| 20:59.07 | jercos | iSCSI can be used over WAN, but probably *shouldn't* be used over WAN. |
| 20:59.14 | tjcarter | I would not use iscsi on a wan. |
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| 20:59.19 | c0fe_machine | security issues jercos? |
| 20:59.21 | c0fe_machine | or performance? |
| 20:59.24 | jercos | both :D |
| 20:59.25 | tjcarter | yes. |
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| 21:01.08 | jercos | performance is less of an issue with a good low-latency WAN connection... even if you're going across the US you can probably get down to 60-70ms without specific optimization. |
| 21:01.16 | jercos | which isn't *great* for storage latency, but is quite functional |
| 21:01.22 | jercos | so it's mostly security. |
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| 21:09.53 | _abc_ | Possible bug in the linux resolver libs: http://5.12.50.142:8881/mypaste/0b76ac15314719c0f324/hosts-resolver-failures-2.txt -- strace confirms the resolver does remote lookup even for local resources, ignoring the order set in the configs. It may have security implications, leaking internal host names to remote dns server and mitm, and possibly allowing impersonation/manipulation of local hosts by a maliciou |
| 21:10.00 | _abc_ | s remote dns. I hope I am wrong. |
| 21:10.13 | _abc_ | Cross posted to #nm and #networking. |
| 21:10.44 | _abc_ | Meanwhile use 127.0.0.1 or ::1 for localhost in scripts and configs to be safe. |
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| 23:12.28 | b0t | Hello, how to restore complety /etc/mail/, i need delete this folder and reinstall sendmail? |
| 23:12.42 | awal1 | I wonder if if lxde/task-dekstop-lxde will be /should be removed from debian since lxqt is now in sid/stretch and soon a task-desktop-lxqt... |
| 23:13.28 | awal1 | lxqt is nicer and well worked/designed then lxde :P |
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| 23:15.30 | jmcnaught | b0t: are you trying to get back to the default/original conf files that were installed by the packages? "/msg dpkg confnew" has some info about that |
| 23:15.45 | jmcnaught | b0t: you might also want to check out etckeeper |
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| 23:16.29 | b0t | "/msg dpkg confnew |
| 23:16.37 | b0t | Thanks |
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| 23:20.53 | b0t | I try apt-get --reinstall install mail |
| 23:21.16 | b0t | I try apt-get --reinstall install sendmail, but the sendmail.mc no restore to original |
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| 23:21.38 | abrotman | did you read what the bot told you? |
| 23:21.42 | b0t | Still the same |
| 23:21.47 | RippyDippy | Ive located my intel_brightness/brightness, what generally the best way to set it up for i3 keybinds |
| 23:22.02 | abrotman | b0t: read what the bot told you |
| 23:22.33 | awal1 | b0t, I dont really now if --reinstall X package helps, not only in your case but in general |
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| 23:22.47 | abrotman | the bot should have given explicit instructions that were not followed |
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| 23:24.21 | b0t | Ok, i trying aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall sendmail , but not change nothing |
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| 23:25.36 | awal1 | when X package is removed and purged reinstalling it have sense but reinstalling an existent/configured one (?); maybe I'm wrong :) |
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| 23:26.06 | abrotman | b0t: do you even know which package owns that file? |
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| 23:27.07 | b0t | Sendmail.mc is a sendmail package file |
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| 23:27.46 | b0t | I triying apt-get --purge remove sendmail and aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall sendmail, but the file still the same |
| 23:27.55 | b0t | I cant send emails |
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| 23:29.04 | abrotman | judd: file sendmail.mc |
| 23:29.08 | judd | Search for sendmail.mc in jessie/amd64: ifgate: usr/share/doc/ifgate/examples/sendmail.mc; sendmail-cf: usr/share/sendmail/cf/debian/sendmail.mc |
| 23:29.14 | abrotman | yeah, you'd be wrong |
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| 23:31.26 | b0t | Ok i replace the file, thanks |
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| 23:47.48 | distortedvoice | hello |
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| 23:51.57 | npo | Hey, i'm trying to build lemonbar but cc is telling me that xcb/xinerama.h doesn't exist (it doesn't). but libxcb-xinerama0, libxinerama-dev, libxcb-dev, etc, all the related packages that this header file would be in are all installed. apt keeps telling me that they're at the latest version, so this header must be in a different place. does anyone know what i need to install to get the header so i can install |
| 23:52.03 | npo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.52 | bazhang | ,v lemonbar |
| 23:52.53 | judd | No package named 'lemonbar' was found in amd64. |
| 23:53.08 | npo | you have to build it from the repo unfortunately |
| 23:53.26 | bazhang | what is lemonbar exactly |
| 23:53.40 | npo | it's a very lightweight/slick status bar for window managers |
| 23:55.38 | cafuego | npo: apt-file will let you search for specific files |
| 23:55.58 | cafuego | npo: Not sure if auto-apt is still a thing, but that wraps apt-file to install whatever is needed during the build process. |
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| 23:57.44 | npo | cafuego: awesome, thanks a lot! apt-file found the package and it's installing now |
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