| 00:00.51 | at0m | i see. i know about debian building multi-arch, seems more solid than i thought :) |
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| 00:05.14 | themill | at0m: packages don't get from unstable to testing until they have built on all archs that they have previously built on meaning that there's no version skew in testing (modulo binNMUs which are just recompiling the same package) |
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| 00:06.37 | Derya | hi |
| 00:07.07 | at0m | hi again Derya :) |
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| 00:07.42 | Derya | hmm |
| 00:07.48 | Derya | i hate gnome shell? |
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| 00:08.16 | at0m | themill: sweet. was working with --get-selections and dpkg for migrations, that multi-arch builds makes it all happen indeed |
| 00:08.25 | at0m | *deselect |
| 00:08.39 | Derya | O_O |
| 00:08.46 | at0m | dselect. should go to bed :) |
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| 00:09.11 | at0m | Derya: then use a shell you like better? |
| 00:09.34 | Derya | lol ok |
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| 00:42.02 | cuchufli | Half the time when KDE starts in Debian stable, my synaptics touchpad doesn't work at all and I'm not able to logout or shutdown from KDE's menus. I seem to be able to reproduce this behavior if I touch the touchpad at all as KDE is loading. It's kind of annoying so I was wondering if there is a known workaround for this |
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| 01:09.53 | karlpinc | cuchufli: Have you looked at the bug tracking system? (You could also file a bug...) |
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| 01:44.42 | vaq | Hi, I got an annoying timestamp like "2016, February 08, 10:50" is there any way I can convert this automatic through date? |
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| 01:50.32 | themill | vaq: I can see a perl or python one-liner in your future |
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| 02:00.09 | vaq | themill: something you can help with? |
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| 02:03.28 | drdecapitator1 | _'_ because patents take a lot of money...and us poor workers just getting started with our ideas got manipulated by the rich...that tried to exploit our ideas for nothing. |
| 02:05.43 | drdecapitator1 | sorry wrong channel. |
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| 02:12.28 | acu | hey guys - I am trying to open some Jpg images in debian jessie (the pictures are take with a canon powershot), and I cannot see the pictures properly - it seem they are jpeg cmyk - what do I need to install |
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| 03:23.46 | karlpinc | !ask |
| 03:23.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 04:37.19 | aZz7eCh | ... okay. wow. uninstalled libre office ... and now half my programs are completely gone: tweak tool for example ... all my gnome fonts are screwed ... where have all my applications gone !!!! /gob-smacked |
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| 04:37.51 | beepie | aZz7eCh, that's nice |
| 04:38.06 | beepie | XD |
| 04:38.41 | aZz7eCh | 1pm in the middle of a working day ... w.. t F... has this done? |
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| 04:39.04 | aZz7eCh | why did removing libre office uninstall 90% of the programs that came default with install |
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| 04:39.11 | beepie | cuse |
| 04:39.37 | beepie | so maybe you should just install it back in :)) |
| 04:39.46 | aZz7eCh | i have no different ! |
| 04:39.57 | aZz7eCh | fml |
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| 04:44.05 | n0t | aZz7eCh: how did you remove it |
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| 04:46.06 | nurupo | hey, my radeon video card has died, now i get error messages from the radeon driver on boot and a black screen 20 seconds after the boot starts |
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| 04:46.41 | nurupo | i want it to use my intel integrated graphics instead |
| 04:47.20 | aZz7eCh | n0t: apt-get remove --purge libreoffice* |
| 04:47.28 | nurupo | i figured the radeon driver has to be blacklisted for that, but i have no idea what is its name |
| 04:47.37 | aZz7eCh | n0t: apt-get clean then apt-get autoremove |
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| 04:48.39 | markybob | aZz7eCh, yeah reading what autoremove does is a good idea :P |
| 04:49.18 | markybob | aZz7eCh, why'd you just click yes when it showed you the list of packages it'd remove? |
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| 04:50.08 | Rusty1 | nurupo: have you removed the radeon card from the computer? |
| 04:50.19 | nurupo | nope |
| 04:50.42 | Rusty1 | nurupo: can you do so? |
| 04:50.57 | aZz7eCh | markybob: i was following instructions, not the screen ... of course Y would be the answer to the command i just typed |
| 04:51.03 | nurupo | do i have to? it's a bit complicates as it's a laptop |
| 04:51.25 | markybob | aZz7eCh, no not of course |
| 04:51.46 | aZz7eCh | markybob: looking at the list of shit removed, i have now royally F**k my whole system. How the Hell do even begin to get all this s**t back on |
| 04:51.47 | aZz7eCh | god |
| 04:52.16 | Rusty1 | nurupo: the radeon is for an external monitor? |
| 04:52.28 | markybob | aZz7eCh, first of all you can't believe everything you read on the internet is correct. secondly, every system has different packages. i'm not attacking you. just telling you to read what the command spits out at you |
| 04:52.44 | markybob | aZz7eCh, just apt-get install them all back |
| 04:52.55 | aZz7eCh | THERES LIKE 300 !?!?!!?!? |
| 04:52.59 | aZz7eCh | each individual one !?! |
| 04:53.06 | n0t | maybe it's a good time to just backup /home and important data and so a clean install? |
| 04:53.08 | markybob | aZz7eCh, i believe it. if you want them all, yes |
| 04:53.27 | beepie | aZz7eCh, yeah and you'd see that it is removing XXX packages, you decided to remove them. but funny you don't even bother to reinstall libreoffice and get it over with |
| 04:53.39 | beepie | aZz7eCh, just undo what you did, and install it instead. |
| 04:54.02 | aZz7eCh | beepie, i did reinstall libreoffice, wtf has that got to do with the other 300 programs ? |
| 04:54.11 | aZz7eCh | beepie i answered you before. |
| 04:54.20 | aZz7eCh | and get over what? wondering how to get them all back on easily ? |
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| 04:54.33 | markybob | aZz7eCh, because you probably got rid of a meta package which included all the others. installing libreoffice again won't reinstall them |
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| 04:55.32 | aZz7eCh | obviously a gnome default "meta" package ? |
| 04:55.43 | markybob | aZz7eCh, that'd be my guess |
| 04:55.44 | aZz7eCh | wonder if i can pick it out - any hints ? |
| 04:55.59 | markybob | aZz7eCh, just apt-get install gnome again and be done |
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| 05:04.14 | zeeble | hi. can anyone point me to a netinstall iso which has iwlwifi 6000 packages baked in? |
| 05:05.11 | markybob | zeeble, i'm not sure if it has it but this is the firmware installer which probably does (and i'm too tired to check right now) http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 05:05.48 | zeeble | markybob: wow, thanks. |
| 05:06.44 | aZz7eCh | markybob, ty dude. lifesaver, litterally. |
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| 05:07.41 | markybob | aZz7eCh, glad to help :) |
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| 05:32.09 | kgjd | help |
| 05:33.02 | kgjd | is there any app data backup programs that work between ubuntu and debian? |
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| 05:47.27 | jeep | kgjd: what kind of program are you backing up ? |
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| 05:50.04 | kgjd | jeep, firefox and hexchat |
| 05:50.06 | kgjd | and all data |
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| 05:51.12 | kgjd | surely, i am not the only person in the world who likes to save megabytes of bandwidth |
| 05:51.13 | jeep | kgjd: just backup the files in ~/ if you can put ~/ on a seperate partititon |
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| 05:52.13 | jeep | kgjd: ~/.config has most of what you want |
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| 05:55.33 | n0t | tar, cp, or scp sound like two really great programs to help you backup across two distros |
| 05:55.56 | jeep | kgjd: when i did alot of dual booting and distro switching i put my /home partition on its own drive |
| 05:56.59 | kgjd | D : |
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| 06:01.31 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 06:37.10 | msn | I am running into major performance issue with jessie io. CentOS 6.5 with ext3 gives abut 10^8 times write performance then jessie with ext4 and ext3 |
| 06:37.17 | msn | anyone have any idea |
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| 06:42.44 | cafuego | Do both distros laod the same driver for the controller? |
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| 06:47.04 | msn | don't think so |
| 06:47.14 | themill | A difference that big makes me worry that the test is not accurate. (A 10s benchmark would be reasonable to run; that would take 31 years to run at the lower speed) |
| 06:47.43 | msn | centos uses ext3 driver and jessie uses ex4 driver |
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| 06:48.47 | msn | well the test was done using iozone |
| 06:49.13 | cafuego | msn: 10^8 slower means that bootup would take approximately forever. |
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| 06:49.42 | msn | just a sec |
| 06:49.43 | password2 | good day |
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| 06:50.50 | themill | msn: I'm not doubting that there might be a difference -- I assume you've got some other existing issue that made you think about running the benchmark in the first place; the benchmark sounds flawed though, so perhaps we should think about the other issue |
| 06:50.59 | password2 | Have anyone solved the error that xrandr gives while trying to add/set a mode? "xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default" |
| 06:51.18 | pragomer_1 | hi. I have a debian 8 running in virtualbox, remote enabled.. and I can connect from win7 via remotedesktop... but I always get to the current session (my username).. |
| 06:51.47 | pragomer_1 | how can I configure so that I can use a different username (that exists on debian) and use login window when I remote connect? |
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| 07:09.42 | msn | was trying to find a way to share my test results |
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| 07:10.58 | themill | msn: paste.debian.net? or picpaste.com? |
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| 07:12.12 | msn | ps/pdf files |
| 07:12.28 | msn | iozone generates excels then i use scripts to make ps/pdf graphs with gnuplot |
| 07:12.38 | msn | that's the first one from centos https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7cqVdULKwwwV211OEdDVkRQdmc/view?usp=sharing |
| 07:13.17 | themill | ah |
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| 07:16.23 | msn | themill: and with jessie 8 kernel 3.16 ext4 driver https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7cqVdULKwwwSnUzdk5tQVd0bWM/view?usp=sharing |
| 07:17.07 | msn | iozone was run with iozone -ra |
| 07:17.10 | msn | iozone was run with iozone -Ra |
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| 07:22.19 | msn | themill: this is ext4 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7cqVdULKwwwNmtMcGFoUE9hRk0/view?usp=sharing |
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| 07:25.40 | themill | msn: your centos data exceed the performance of modern drives by a factor of about 10^8. |
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| 07:26.00 | msn | yes that's what i said intially |
| 07:26.14 | msn | same command :) on both hosts |
| 07:26.21 | themill | so the benchmark is broken on centos |
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| 07:26.57 | nocontrol | can anyone please help http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35221886/export-foreman-workers-from-rails-app-to-systemd ? |
| 07:27.04 | nocontrol | I am running it on raspbian |
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| 07:27.45 | themill | that's not what you said initially -- you said you had a problem with IO on jessie; I'm saying you have a problem with the benchmark on centos. There is no way a drive can do 7e14 kB/s -- that's about 1e9 GB/s and the best SSD drives do at most 1 GB/s. |
| 07:27.49 | themill | msn: ^^ |
| 07:27.50 | rww | nocontrol: #ubuntu-server already mentioned that raspbian isn't supported here. |
| 07:27.53 | rww | Go ask the raspbian folks. |
| 07:27.53 | msn | hmm there isa 50% performance reduction in the mysql DB i am running on top of the jessie. Same database took 1hr 58 minutes to restire on centos 6.5 with ext3 which takes almsot 3 hrs 45 imns on jessie with ext4 |
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| 07:28.10 | themill | msn: presumably different versions of mysql too |
| 07:28.31 | msn | 5.6.15 and 5.6.24 |
| 07:28.51 | themill | that could easily be the difference and/or differences in the configuration of the daemon |
| 07:29.23 | msn | that was checked already :) the read performance is better on new ext4 |
| 07:29.59 | msn | since ext4 is mounted with noatime and using deadline schedulure |
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| 07:30.28 | themill | istr the speed of mysql dump/restore is really sensitive to things like locale settings and encoding |
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| 07:34.28 | phre4k | hey guys! I read on https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-desktop/ that Xfce isn't officially supported. I want to switch a whole company from Xubuntu to Debian, does not supporting it mean there are any rough edges? If so, how can I help resolve them? |
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| 07:35.44 | phre4k | oh wait, I just read "Happily, many of these issues are already fixed for [...] sarge" â Wiki page seems to be quite outdated, lol |
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| 07:38.23 | rww | yeah, "Supporting other desktop environments..." is from 2003 |
| 07:38.27 | rww | might need a bit of an update :) |
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| 08:12.17 | phre4k | rww, would you say Xfce on Debian is as smooth as on Xubuntu? |
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| 08:23.20 | tigryss | hi i have a problem can someone help me please? http://paste.ofcode.org/wh3GtCTh8r3Ai7J5c8xFDQ |
| 08:23.44 | tigryss | mono installation broke |
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| 08:24.27 | tigryss | dpkg --configure -a and force install doesn't help |
| 08:24.28 | dpkg | tigryss: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 08:25.09 | tigryss | i googled already but i don't have a right solution |
| 08:25.15 | tigryss | now |
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| 08:31.13 | cafuego | stupid scrollback buffer :-P |
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| 10:04.12 | password2 | Hi |
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| 10:05.56 | Deepfriedice | Hello |
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| 10:07.50 | password2 | so I recently switched to the hdmi port of my internal gfx card ( ina desktop) and I cant get the resolution above like 1024x768 |
| 10:08.30 | password2 | I'll paste the error now , its something related to gamma |
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| 10:10.02 | password2 | "xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default" |
| 10:10.25 | password2 | anyone know how to fix? |
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| 10:11.19 | truedon | hi does anyone know how to configure ufw so that it denys everyone put the IP of that machine so that i can securely connect with VPN? |
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| 10:12.25 | Kristure | Hi |
| 10:12.40 | truedon | Kristure: hi |
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| 10:12.47 | isthisreallife | hi |
| 10:12.50 | truedon | :) |
| 10:13.03 | Kristure | Could anyone here please help me with someting? I am fairly new to debian and any linux distro for that matter |
| 10:13.16 | isthisreallife | just installed nodejs |
| 10:13.18 | isthisreallife | but i get |
| 10:13.19 | isthisreallife | zsh: command not found: npm |
| 10:13.21 | isthisreallife | how to fix it |
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| 10:13.29 | truedon | isthisreallife: ensure node is in the path env variable |
| 10:13.37 | truedon | Kristure: sure how can I help? |
| 10:13.50 | Kristure | If I install a package, like an earlier version of something to /usr/share/name |
| 10:13.52 | markybob | isthisreallife, it's as simple as apt-get install npm |
| 10:13.55 | isthisreallife | truedon please help me with that |
| 10:13.57 | password2 | i think i should just switch back to VGA :D |
| 10:14.14 | Kristure | Could I somehow make it possible to access this from any directory |
| 10:14.17 | isthisreallife | hmm i thought node comes with npm |
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| 10:14.19 | Kristure | Like you can with apt-get |
| 10:14.24 | markybob | isthisreallife, no |
| 10:14.26 | truedon | isthisreallife: how did you install node? |
| 10:14.32 | truedon | If you are using nvm then yes |
| 10:14.38 | markybob | ,v npm |
| 10:14.39 | Kristure | But lets say I install an earlier version of apt-get that i called apt-get2 |
| 10:14.40 | judd | Package: npm on amd64 -- stretch: 1.4.21+ds-2; jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2 |
| 10:14.41 | truedon | but if you just installed the binary from source no |
| 10:14.49 | Kristure | Would that be possible? |
| 10:15.15 | alrs | truedon: Instead of ufw I use ferm, which is what the debian sysadmin team uses (used?) |
| 10:15.26 | truedon | Kristure: not sure really what you are asking |
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| 10:15.46 | alrs | truedon: if you need to use node, consider using nodeenv installed via python-pip |
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| 10:15.50 | Kristure | Ill try and refrase |
| 10:15.51 | truedon | alrs: thanks man gonna check it, because ufw i set to default deny and allowed all connections from my ip but it just blocks it. |
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| 10:16.03 | truedon | alrs: did you see nvm? |
| 10:16.05 | markybob | Kristure, what you said makes no sense. no you can't have two apt-get's |
| 10:16.08 | truedon | I think it's the best. |
| 10:16.37 | JeremyE77 | Kristure: and older apt would use and older database structure. You certainly couldn't run them in sync anyway |
| 10:17.53 | Kristure | Lets say you got iceweasel installed, but I want to have an earlier version of iceweasel installed (at the same time). I then install this to /usr/share/iceweasel_old, and can now run by cd /usr/share/iceweasel_old and then ./iceweasel. However the other version of iceweasel is able to me from any directory by simply executing iceweasel. Is there anyway to "map" the command iceweasel_old to this other version |
| 10:17.55 | Kristure | of iceweasel I got on my system? |
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| 10:18.49 | Kristure | So that I can execute it from any directory just like the iceweasel I got from apt-get? |
| 10:18.53 | markybob | !tell Kristure about alias |
| 10:19.08 | Kristure | Is alias what it is called? |
| 10:19.12 | markybob | yes |
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| 10:19.21 | Kristure | So if I google alias I would be able to find it out? |
| 10:19.23 | markybob | though it's really not smart to run an old browser. |
| 10:19.38 | markybob | Kristure, why do you need to google it? the bot just told you how to do it |
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| 10:19.48 | markybob | Kristure, but yes, google bash alias. |
| 10:19.56 | Kristure | Well the browser is simply an example |
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| 10:20.38 | Kristure | Well if the both messaged it to me I have no way of finding it, as I am extremely new to this and are using WeeChat which I simply cannot understand :P |
| 10:20.43 | Kristure | But thats another problem |
| 10:21.18 | Kristure | Thanks anyway. I believe I will finally be able to do this now, as I finally know what it is called |
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| 10:21.29 | Kristure | bot* |
| 10:21.32 | markybob | !alias |
| 10:21.33 | dpkg | Bash alias? Do 'help alias' and read 'man bash', also see your ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc for examples of aliases. |
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| 10:23.01 | Kristure | markybob: Thanks alot |
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| 10:27.06 | Kristure | Well new question now. I got the alias thing working. However even though I do this in user root it does not apply to all users on the sytem |
| 10:27.10 | Kristure | How can I do this? |
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| 10:28.19 | markybob | Kristure, /etc/profile or /etc/enviroment |
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| 10:34.57 | rueda | hola |
| 10:34.59 | rueda | amigos |
| 10:35.06 | markybob | !es |
| 10:35.06 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la lÃnea de chat. |
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| 10:37.19 | rueda | hi markybob I have a question |
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| 10:38.05 | rueda | this is my grub.cfg file http://paste.debian.net/379119/ I wonder what is wrong with it, the grub says /dev/sdh2 is not found |
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| 10:39.21 | rueda | it's on debian 8.2 |
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| 10:45.55 | anikras | hello, I have a new virtualbox machine with debian jessie, but I want start my machine with runlevel 3 (without GDM3 ) |
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| 10:52.47 | phre4k | do you think Debian 9 will come out before 2018? |
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| 10:53.51 | Popkornium18 | Hey guys, I am currently setting up my first debian 8 VPS. I wanted to do "systemctl enable <tab>" to list services, but I got an error "Failed D-Bus connection". D-Bus is not installed. Is this the standard? I'm coming from Arch Linux, dbus is a dependency for systemd on arch and therefore dbus is a part of every base system. |
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| 10:54.11 | rueda | no one here tonight |
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| 10:59.32 | phre4k | Popkornium18: are you root? |
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| 11:02.28 | atralheaven | is it possible to install debian on a usb from a running debian machine? |
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| 11:03.23 | Popkornium18 | yes, I'm root. installing the dbus package fixed this. my vps hoster did not install recommended packages for systemd |
| 11:04.36 | themill | atralheaven: you can do debootstrap and then do the configuration and install a kernel and bootloader etc. Details are in the install guide. (You could probably also use it as the storage device for a virtual machine and do it that way too) |
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| 11:14.16 | Twirl | hello, i'm trying to move 500k files from one folder to another and mv /path/* /new/path/ says -bash: /bin/mv: Argument list too long |
| 11:14.22 | Twirl | what am i supposed to do? |
| 11:14.26 | ar | Twirl: use find |
| 11:15.03 | ar | Twirl: find /path -exec mv -t /new/path {} + |
| 11:15.04 | themill | or mv the directory rather than the contents |
| 11:15.44 | Twirl | themill: wow man you are genious |
| 11:15.54 | Twirl | themill: that's such a good idea |
| 11:15.55 | themill | bows |
| 11:16.12 | Twirl | slaps themill in the face |
| 11:16.49 | themill | * is expanded by your shell; the kernel has a limit on that |
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| 11:25.36 | Twirl | ar: just like that? |
| 11:25.46 | ar | Twirl: should work |
| 11:26.14 | ar | Twirl: check with find /path -exec echo mv -t /new/path {} \; if that's the result you're looking for |
| 11:27.18 | Twirl | find . -name . -o -exec sh -c 'mv "$@" "$0"' /path/ {} + |
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| 11:27.31 | Twirl | that no? |
| 11:27.38 | ar | ugh |
| 11:27.42 | ar | why the sh? |
| 11:27.57 | Twirl | dunno, found that on the SO website |
| 11:28.32 | chele | You have the answer already, why are you looking at other sources? |
| 11:28.42 | Twirl | yea i'm just going to try with that |
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| 11:29.26 | ar | Twirl: SO is often full of⦠solutions of lesser quality |
| 11:30.40 | Ticho | I call them "ubuntu solutions" :) |
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| 11:31.13 | Twirl | Ticho: well, it's on the unix subdomain |
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| 11:32.34 | jelly | Twirl: best use a solution that you can actuall understand |
| 11:32.52 | Twirl | So, find /path/to/files/ -exec echo mv -t /new/files/folder/ {} \; ? |
| 11:33.15 | jelly | so hey... if you know what find ... -name . -o -exec ... is supposed to do, go ahead |
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| 11:33.24 | ar | Twirl: + instead of "\;", unless you want to wait an eternity for it to finish |
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| 11:33.54 | Twirl | ar: alright, it's running |
| 11:33.57 | Twirl | ar: ty my man |
| 11:34.13 | Twirl | the terminal is going nuts though |
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| 11:35.22 | va | What's needed in a Debian package to make it restart a service? Looking at mysql-5.5_5.5.47-0+deb8u1.debian.tar.xz for example reveals no "restart" line in .postinst. |
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| 11:36.58 | jelly | va: but there is a stop, and a start |
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| 11:38.24 | jelly | wonders why mysql-server-5.5.postinst wraps invoke-rc.d in one place, but uses it implicitely in another |
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| 11:40.09 | Rico | hello there |
| 11:40.29 | Rico | I'm trying to make ionice work for a rsync daemon ran via xinetd |
| 11:40.45 | Rico | I've found that thread : http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/30915/setting-nice-and-ionice-for-rsync-via-xinetd |
| 11:41.10 | Rico | but I always see a "rsync --daemon" when doing a "ps aux | grep rsync" |
| 11:41.13 | Rico | is that normal , |
| 11:41.14 | Rico | ? |
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| 11:41.31 | rueda | Grub says /dev/sdh2 is not found, this is my grub.cfg file http://paste.debian.net/379119/ I wonder what is wrong with it |
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| 11:44.49 | jelly | Rico: run this: ionice -n 3 sleep 600 & |
| 11:45.10 | jelly | Rico: then look at ps -fe | grep 'sleep 600' ... what do you see? |
| 11:46.07 | Rico | jelly: just sleep, ok |
| 11:46.19 | Rico | so how can I check if ionice is working as expected ? |
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| 11:48.25 | Lingo | http://gayazo.com/1izxO help please, ive shutdown all applications and the yellow memory wont go away |
| 11:48.38 | jelly | Rico: using ionice, to get the parameters applied to a running process |
| 11:49.14 | jelly | Rico: RTFM, at least look at the last EXAMPLE |
| 11:49.49 | Lingo | jelly |
| 11:49.51 | Lingo | hi |
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| 11:50.27 | Lingo | you guys are so chatty |
| 11:50.31 | Lingo | all 1,677 of you |
| 11:50.33 | Lingo | chattin it up |
| 11:50.42 | Lingo | quiet down |
| 11:51.03 | Rico | ok, thanks jelly, got it |
| 11:51.04 | jelly | Lingo: we're not here to chat but get help and provide help if we know how. |
| 11:51.18 | jelly | Lingo: if you want to chat, there's ##chat or #debian-offtopic |
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| 11:52.12 | Twirl | ar: hey man, i don't think it worked |
| 11:52.18 | ar | Twirl: why so? |
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| 11:52.30 | Twirl | the files are still there, it was supposed to move them to the other directory |
| 11:52.44 | Twirl | also, the files don't appear to be in the other dir |
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| 11:52.58 | Twirl | it already has millions of files but i can't find the ones i just moved |
| 11:53.13 | Lingo | well why the hell is the memory like that |
| 11:53.19 | Lingo | im switching to ubuntu D: |
| 11:54.30 | Twirl | find /path/to/files/ -exec echo mv -t /new/files/folder/ {} + printed all the files in the terminal one after the other |
| 11:54.46 | Twirl | but i don't think it moved any of them |
| 11:54.53 | ar | Twirl: ah, the echo was to check if it will move them correctly |
| 11:55.05 | jelly | Lingo: which app is that? Did you look at its documentation or online help to see what the yellow color means? |
| 11:55.12 | Twirl | ar: so just remove the echo? |
| 11:55.17 | ar | yup |
| 11:55.20 | Twirl | alright |
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| 11:56.09 | Ticho | AFAIK yellow bars in htop are for cache |
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| 11:57.49 | Twirl | ar: well, its saying mv: cannot stat '/path/to/each/file.jpg': No such file or directory' |
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| 11:58.27 | Ticho | Twirl: if the path contains a space, you need to use extra quote marks |
| 11:58.29 | Twirl | could it be a permission error? |
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| 11:58.47 | ar | Twirl: not with {} |
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| 11:58.54 | ar | Ticho: not with {} |
| 11:59.00 | ar | Twirl: disregard, tabfail |
| 11:59.14 | Twirl | so what do i do |
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| 12:00.02 | Twirl | it's saying mv: cannot stat â/path/to/file.jpgâ: No such file or directory for every file |
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| 12:00.58 | artag | literally ? or your actual path ? |
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| 12:01.45 | jelly | Twirl: are you moving files inside the same filesystem, or across different mount points? |
| 12:01.57 | Twirl | same file system |
| 12:02.24 | jelly | your find command will not keep the subdirectory structure, if there's any |
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| 12:02.36 | Twirl | no its just a folder with jpegs |
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| 12:03.45 | artag | another thing you can do to reduce the expanded line length is 'mv a* new/place' and repeat for all possible first characters |
| 12:03.56 | artag | (or put that in a for loop) |
| 12:04.12 | artag | slower, but easier to get the syntax right than with find |
| 12:04.26 | Twirl | artag: that is not even close to what i need |
| 12:04.44 | artag | what do you need ? I thought it was just a very long list of files ? |
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| 12:05.50 | artag | 11:14 < Twirl> hello, i'm trying to move 500k files from one folder to another and mv /path/* /new/path/ says -bash: /bin/mv: Argument list too long |
| 12:05.54 | themill | maybe more information and less sarcasm would help? |
| 12:06.27 | Twirl | maybe some of the commands i've been running deleted the files and now find its loading them from some cache or something? |
| 12:06.42 | artag | btw you'll also get a much sorter list if you do 'cd /path/ ; mv * /new/path' |
| 12:06.44 | Twirl | why would it say mv: cannot stat â/path/to/file.jpgâ: No such file or directory for every file |
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| 12:07.03 | jelly | Twirl: does a file exist there? |
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| 12:07.24 | jelly | pick one |
| 12:07.33 | Twirl | ls -l | wc -l shows the same amount of files than when i started |
| 12:07.40 | Twirl | around half a million |
| 12:08.06 | jelly | Twirl: pick one path that find complains about. show us the output of ls -ld /path/to/file.jpg |
| 12:08.34 | nikitasius | helloworld! |
| 12:08.35 | themill | it'd be handy to see real output rather than redacted |
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| 12:09.04 | jelly | right, if you want real help, show real data... |
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| 12:10.57 | Twirl | jelly: yea it says no such file or directory |
| 12:11.22 | Twirl | looks like it deleted some files and it hasn't updated the cache or something? |
| 12:12.01 | jelly | Twirl: no, something else has deleted or moved away the files between find enumerating them and attempting to -exec mv them |
| 12:12.16 | Twirl | something else like what? |
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| 12:12.29 | jelly | Twirl: I can only guess |
| 12:12.40 | Twirl | i've only been running the commands after posting them here |
| 12:12.59 | Twirl | also, find and mv shouldn't delete anyhting? |
| 12:13.05 | jelly | Twirl: be careful not to run two commands at the same time |
| 12:13.16 | Twirl | i didn't |
| 12:13.23 | jelly | two command that work on the same data set, that is |
| 12:13.42 | jelly | and yet something had removed the files underneath find's feet |
| 12:13.46 | artag | aren't source and destination swapped in the mv command above ? |
| 12:13.49 | themill | we can only guess in the absence of any information |
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| 12:14.02 | jelly | artag: read about GNU mv's --target-directory |
| 12:14.10 | jelly | (mv -t) |
| 12:14.33 | jelly | Twirl: if you forgot -t, you'd make a mess there, yeah |
| 12:14.33 | artag | ah, ok |
| 12:15.20 | Twirl | i didn't |
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| 12:16.07 | Twirl | i have the command in the terminal history ~$ find /path/ -exec mv -t /new/path/ {} + |
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| 12:17.24 | Twirl | and the previous one had echo |
| 12:17.37 | themill | odd choice of path names, I must say |
| 12:17.49 | Twirl | ~$ find /path/ -exec echo mv -t /new/path/ {} + |
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| 12:18.01 | jelly | Twirl: can you show the actual command with real paths? |
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| 12:18.50 | jelly | Twirl: and a couple lines of find's error output. Put it all in a paste entry on paste.debian.net |
| 12:19.47 | Twirl | find /usr/share/nginx/html/temp/client/images/large/ -exec mv -t /usr/share/nginx/html/sites/main/public/uploads/images/large/ {} + |
| 12:20.16 | Twirl | mv: cannot stat â/usr/share/nginx/html/temp/client/images/large/93ff0dcc6a9816cc68e3202518c025d3c06d9107.jpgâ: No such file or directory |
| 12:21.07 | ar | ah, so you have subdirectories there |
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| 12:21.16 | jelly | Twirl: for i in /usr/share/nginx/html/temp/client/images/large /usr/share/nginx/html/sites/main/public/uploads/images/large; do readlink -f "$i"; done |
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| 12:21.40 | Twirl | what? |
| 12:22.03 | jelly | Twirl: run that. Trying to make certain you don't actually have source as a subdir of destination, or vice-versa |
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| 12:22.34 | Twirl | in both folders there should only be jpegs |
| 12:22.42 | jelly | waits for readlink output |
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| 12:24.10 | jelly | Twirl: run that and show the output, in case that wasn't obvious |
| 12:25.00 | artag | er, isn't that going to be 500k + lines ? |
| 12:25.20 | jelly | artag: what, readlink -f ? |
| 12:25.23 | jelly | no |
| 12:25.23 | artag | oh, nvm |
| 12:25.38 | artag | was thinking you were running it on each source file .. |
| 12:25.46 | Twirl | /usr/share/nginx/html/temp/client/images/large |
| 12:25.47 | Twirl | /usr/share/nginx/html/sites/main/public/uploads/images/large/ |
| 12:25.52 | artag | yeah |
| 12:26.08 | Twirl | so it was copying the whole directory |
| 12:26.09 | Twirl | ? |
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| 12:26.35 | jelly | ok, so they're not symlinked info each other, but actual separate dirs |
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| 12:27.05 | jelly | Twirl: so, if only one find is running, something else is deleting some of the files. |
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| 12:27.26 | Twirl | no there is nothing else |
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| 12:27.33 | themill | or the fs finally shat itself |
| 12:27.37 | jelly | Twirl: are you sure? |
| 12:27.44 | Twirl | jelly: yep |
| 12:27.45 | jelly | Twirl: is there a nginx running? |
| 12:28.02 | Twirl | nginx isnt touching the files |
| 12:28.09 | jelly | how do you know? |
| 12:28.15 | Twirl | because i know |
| 12:28.25 | jelly | okay then |
| 12:28.43 | jelly | shrugs |
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| 12:30.53 | artag | if it were, surely there'd be just a handful of errors and most of the files would be moved ? Unless it's rewriting them faster than the find/mv, which seems unlikely |
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| 12:32.29 | Twirl | well yea it moved the whole folder |
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| 12:32.56 | Twirl | that's the problem |
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| 12:33.27 | BadApe | hello, is it possible to get postgresql 9.5 for jessie? |
| 12:33.42 | themill | the first output of find would be the directory |
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| 12:34.26 | themill | BadApe: pg's own packages are maintained by the debian maintainers and they have each stable version of pg for each debian release |
| 12:34.45 | Twirl | i think it moved the whole folder to the destination |
| 12:35.07 | themill | of course |
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| 12:35.24 | BadApe | themill, oh that is good |
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| 12:35.50 | themill | BadApe: http://apt.postgresql.org/ |
| 12:36.13 | artag | you'd need find -type f |
| 12:36.47 | BadApe | aha got it |
| 12:37.05 | jelly | !win themill |
| 12:37.06 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 12:38.01 | BadApe | !winux |
| 12:38.20 | BadApe | awww that doesn't exist anymore |
| 12:39.26 | nikitasius | hi! just a question: did someone tried to run heavy software (old photoshop) under wine in debian 8.3? |
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| 12:45.39 | at0m | nikitasius: not seeing any special requirements for PS, so why shouldnt it work |
| 12:45.46 | hiya | When the debian installation says "Debian is erasing disk with random data" during full disk encryption installation |
| 12:45.53 | hiya | What is it actually doing? |
| 12:45.58 | hiya | why is it so slow? |
| 12:46.15 | at0m | hiya: cos random number generator is slow |
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| 12:47.12 | hiya | at0m, how slow could it be on 1core VPS with 1GB Ram? |
| 12:47.17 | hiya | 10GB is taking forever :( |
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| 12:49.05 | at0m | not sure if it uses /dev/random or /dev/urandom, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//dev/random |
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| 12:50.32 | nikitasius | hiya normally erase with random data mean overwrite data with random data and clean fs table after. |
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| 12:51.03 | nikitasius | hiya to prevent data restoration. it's valid for HDD. SSD if i remember well not need such thing. |
| 12:51.13 | muse | is there an option to just zero it out instead of using random data? |
| 12:51.43 | nikitasius | hiya for linux exist programm: shred, you can use it do delete files (10-15 times rewriting) and sda/sdb/sdN as hhds |
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| 12:52.14 | nikitasius | at0m i've not tried PS under wine, so im just asking:) Thanks for your message. |
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| 12:54.20 | Engys | took a little bit longer but after cloning and upgrading debian packages on an old debian jessie I can say debian jessie broken qt functionality with updates on 2016-26-01 |
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| 12:54.59 | Engys | sry 2016-01-26 |
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| 12:55.56 | jelly | dpkg, tell Lingo about free ram |
| 12:56.01 | jelly | dpkg, tell Lingo_ about free ram |
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| 12:58.38 | themill | Engys: you might need to be a bit more specific -- I don't think there have been any qt related updates in that period (and qt4 and qt5 applications work just fine here) |
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| 13:00.04 | hiya | nikitasius, my question is once that erase is 100percent and if I reboot there and then before encrypting the disk, like software reboot, then is all the data from HDD gone? |
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| 13:01.56 | Engys | themill, I wrote a qt/webkit program with debian qtcreator to automate some web stuff and after 2016-01-26 this program did not work anymore |
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| 13:02.44 | Engys | themill, if I use an old vm that is not updated since 2016-01-25 it works fine |
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| 13:04.04 | tigryss | hi i have a problem can someone help me please? http://paste.ofcode.org/wh3GtCTh8r3Ai7J5c8xFDQ |
| 13:04.10 | tigryss | dpkg --configure -a and force install doesn't help |
| 13:04.10 | dpkg | tigryss: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 13:05.05 | nikitasius | hiya can't give you advice because never done it with my HDD. Logically: it should rewrite old data with random and with encrypted data at the end. But it's how i see it. But i not tried it and i recommend you to check Debian documentation about this. |
| 13:05.40 | Engys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:07.21 | themill | Engys: can you progressively install updates to isolate precisely which update is the problem, perhaps? |
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| 13:08.02 | hiya | nikitasius, Ok thanks |
| 13:08.03 | hiya | :) |
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| 13:09.33 | themill | Engys: you'll see that nothing in http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/ChangeLog looks interesting |
| 13:10.37 | sm0ketst | hi all, I'm trying to install in a multilib debian i386/amd64 both <package>-dev packages but I have conflicts bw them (it is a 64b host and I want to deploy also the 32 bits dev libs). Help appreciated |
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| 13:11.38 | Lingo_ | JELLY |
| 13:11.46 | Lingo_ | im sorry for leaving you hanging :( |
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| 13:12.37 | Lingo_ | i fixed the problem by doing |
| 13:12.38 | Lingo_ | echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 13:12.45 | Lingo_ | and the memory cache freed up |
| 13:12.46 | Engys | themill, I know but one of around 40 packages I installed on 2016-01-26 must be the reason .. hmpf .. I will try to sort them out |
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| 13:13.21 | jelly | Lingo_: read what the bot tells you in private message, it wasn't a problem in the first place |
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| 13:13.29 | themill | Engys: if you've got snapshots you can probably do a reasonably efficient binary search on that |
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| 13:13.45 | Lingo_ | okay |
| 13:14.09 | Lingo_ | oh |
| 13:14.17 | Lingo_ | so its just there to make things faster |
| 13:14.21 | jelly | yus |
| 13:14.39 | Engys | themill, I already greped /var/log/apt/history... |
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| 13:15.18 | Lingo_ | jelly is awesome guys |
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| 13:16.52 | Engys | themill, I thought I simply apt-get install every package till it will break .. maybe the gtkwebkit update did something strange? |
| 13:17.19 | themill | feasible |
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| 13:19.37 | password2 | Hi |
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| 13:19.54 | password2 | so I ran apt-get autoremove earlier today |
| 13:20.02 | password2 | and i think it broke my install |
| 13:20.16 | Lingo_ | you have to buy a new machine |
| 13:20.18 | password2 | is it possible? |
| 13:20.29 | password2 | eventually i have to |
| 13:20.44 | Lingo_ | i did something worse than that today |
| 13:20.48 | Lingo_ | i was setting Chmod |
| 13:20.49 | Lingo_ | and i did |
| 13:20.54 | Lingo_ | chmod -R 777 /* |
| 13:21.04 | password2 | it boots until it says [Failed] failed to load Kernel Modules |
| 13:21.17 | password2 | wops |
| 13:21.20 | password2 | *woops |
| 13:21.42 | password2 | i think autoremove removed something needed by systemctl |
| 13:21.55 | password2 | it did remove a shitload of stuff |
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| 13:22.51 | password2 | whats the shortcut to switch to a terminal screen? |
| 13:24.16 | muse | you can try alt-f2 |
| 13:24.27 | password2 | nah , doesn't work |
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| 13:24.41 | password2 | it seems to stop at diffrent laces on each reboot |
| 13:24.59 | muse | autoremove can be pretty nasty if you're not careful sometimes |
| 13:25.12 | password2 | it seems it screwed up badly |
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| 13:25.24 | password2 | i also cleaned my pc today |
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| 13:25.44 | Lingo_ | do "rm -rf ~/*" |
| 13:26.42 | muse | he can't. he can't even get a terminal. and don't be a jerk. |
| 13:27.07 | donofrio__atwork | what is the best usb vga I can get that works with Debian out of the box? |
| 13:27.07 | Lingo_ | muse |
| 13:27.08 | password2 | could linux get confused if i mmove the primary/only hdd to a different port? |
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| 13:28.17 | rod_ | password2: are u using grub ? |
| 13:28.23 | password2 | yeah |
| 13:28.48 | muse | possible but improbable if it's the only hd plugged in. it's probably going to be assigned as sda anyway. |
| 13:29.04 | rod_ | dont know exactly but with lilo it was init=/bin/sh as kernel parameter |
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| 13:29.38 | abrotman | Lingo_: not amusing |
| 13:29.51 | password2 | rod_ to what? |
| 13:30.09 | password2 | to do* |
| 13:30.43 | password2 | I can drop into a minimal bash with grub .but dont know what to do next |
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| 13:31.02 | rod_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:32.18 | rod_ | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/kernel_parameters#GRUB |
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| 13:32.47 | muse | well the UUID will be different on his sytem, so better to use /dev/sdX |
| 13:33.10 | rod_ | .muse right |
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| 13:33.23 | password2 | well the uuid i wont change |
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| 13:33.33 | password2 | I'm not that noob |
| 13:34.16 | rod_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:34.58 | muse | disk and partition. i should have said /dev/sdXY |
| 13:35.22 | password2 | ye , it boits to sda3 , i think |
| 13:35.31 | password2 | boots even |
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| 13:35.43 | rod_ | in that shell remount all rw |
| 13:35.58 | muse | k, so just put in /dev/sda3 instead of the UUID and should work ok. |
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| 13:36.16 | rod_ | i think ur initrd - ramimage has missing modules |
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| 13:37.24 | password2 | can i put commints in the settings of grup boot options? |
| 13:37.57 | password2 | I really dont want to make changes without haveing a backup of the data somewhere |
| 13:38.16 | muse | can you get into any kind of shell where you can run apt-get as root? you could try reinstalling some of the stuff autoremove deleted until you get a more or less working system. |
| 13:38.37 | rod_ | mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd-<your-kernel-version> <your-kernel-version> |
| 13:38.40 | password2 | not tried to get into on yet |
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| 13:39.26 | rod_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.29 | rod_ | in that shell remount all rw |
| 13:39.34 | rod_ | i think ur initrd - ramimage has missing modules |
| 13:39.37 | rod_ | mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd-<your-kernel-version> <your-kernel-version> |
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| 13:41.00 | password2 | ok i added init=/bin/sh and i have a terminal now |
| 13:41.07 | rod_ | :) |
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| 13:42.53 | rod_ | mount -o remount,rw / |
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| 13:44.22 | password2 | mktemp: failed to create directory via template /var/tmp/mkinitramfs_XXXXXX' read-only file system |
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| 13:44.33 | rod_ | mount -o remount,rw / |
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| 13:45.03 | rod_ | mount -o remount,rw /var |
| 13:45.11 | password2 | and then try the mkinitramfs again? |
| 13:45.22 | rod_ | yes |
| 13:46.05 | password2 | on the last cmd you pasted i get can't find /var in /etc/fstab |
| 13:46.38 | rod_ | i guessed u have extra /var partition |
| 13:48.14 | password2 | oh |
| 13:48.46 | password2 | running the mkinitramfs now , it returned withut complaining |
| 13:49.22 | password2 | what do i do next? |
| 13:49.28 | quantic | You do realize that there's a command to rebuild all initrds, right? |
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| 13:49.48 | password2 | maybe |
| 13:49.51 | quantic | update-initramfs -k all |
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| 13:50.49 | quantic | And if you have access to the system that got borked, just look at /var/log/apt/history.log or /var/log/aptitude to figure out what got removed. |
| 13:50.56 | password2 | is that cmd mising a -u? |
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| 13:51.15 | quantic | password2: Yes, it is. |
| 13:51.18 | donofrio__atwork | my current setup @ home http://apaste.info/D7x, driven by two notebooks, would like to use one, or perhaps even four rpi's if I can figure out how to video wall this setup....but for now just a notebook with two usb video would be perfect...hence why I ask here cause I figure you all would know what usb vga works best with Debian |
| 13:51.48 | quantic | Even better would be to pastebin the contents of those logfiles and have someone who actually understands how to admin a Debian system see what's up. |
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| 13:52.10 | lancelot_of | hello, is there any alternative to aMule, which is no more in jessie repos? |
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| 13:53.55 | at0m | ,v amule |
| 13:53.56 | judd | Package: amule on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.2.6+debian0-8; wheezy: 2.3.1-9; jessie-multimedia: 2.3.1+git1a369e47-dmo4bp1; stretch: 2.4.0~git20151120.0023527bc2-1; sid: 2.4.0~git20151120.0023527bc2-1 |
| 13:54.54 | password2 | quantic: runnig cat on /var/log/apt/history.log results in nothing , same with other path |
| 13:55.28 | nebg | hello everyone... how can i check from which a repository a package i installed is from ? |
| 13:55.36 | nebg | i have the package lsb-core on my machine.-.. |
| 13:55.44 | at0m | lancelot_of: could try to get the package from jessie-miltimedia, if you add that repo to sources.list then apt update |
| 13:55.48 | nebg | and on the other machine with the same repos... i can't find the package lsb-core |
| 13:55.52 | nebg | can somebody help me ? |
| 13:56.01 | at0m | lancelot_of: *jessie-multimedia |
| 13:56.21 | password2 | quantic: i have no idea how to pastebin those logstbh |
| 13:57.12 | quantic | password2: So both of those files are empty? |
| 13:57.42 | password2 | yes |
| 13:57.54 | password2 | there are other files in the apt history one too |
| 13:59.07 | quantic | password2: Probably the terminal log. Any others? |
| 13:59.09 | password2 | history.log.1.gz - history.log.12.gz |
| 13:59.16 | quantic | password2: Oh, they rolled over. |
| 13:59.20 | password2 | the terminal logs are here too |
| 13:59.29 | ancky | nebg: apt-cache policy lsb-core |
| 13:59.34 | xKa | nebg: Not sure if this might help, but what about 'apt-cache policy packagename' |
| 13:59.51 | quantic | password2: You can 'gunzip' each of those and look at the contents. That will tell you what was removed. |
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| 14:00.06 | password2 | the update initramfs failed too |
| 14:00.18 | ancky | it shows what version is installed and 'apt-cache show' shows more infos on the package |
| 14:00.42 | password2 | it moaned about all being an additional parameter |
| 14:00.53 | xKa | or alternatively use 'aptitude versions packagename' |
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| 14:01.09 | lancelot_of | at0m, thank you, solved |
| 14:01.17 | lancelot_of | have all a nice day |
| 14:01.34 | password2 | do i have to go thrugh the logs :P The shell has no tab complete |
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| 14:02.27 | quantic | password2: update-initramfs -u -k all |
| 14:02.33 | quantic | password2: You broke it, you bought it. :P |
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| 14:03.48 | password2 | moans that the initrd has been alterred , says override with -t |
| 14:04.00 | password2 | then it says generating |
| 14:04.59 | password2 | so , I'm not sure if it was successfull |
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| 14:05.25 | rod_ | password2: have u cat /var/log/boot.log |
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| 14:06.00 | password2 | nope |
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| 14:06.26 | password2 | not even an empty file |
| 14:06.34 | password2 | not even an empty file |
| 14:06.51 | password2 | sorry about that , accidentally hit the wifi button on my tablet |
| 14:06.57 | rod_ | after mkinitramfs do update-grub |
| 14:07.00 | nebg | why lsb-core is not in the repos ?? |
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| 14:07.32 | password2 | and then reboot? |
| 14:07.39 | rod_ | it should list your new initrd image |
| 14:07.41 | jelly | ,v lsb-core |
| 14:07.42 | judd | Package: lsb-core on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.2-23.2squeeze1; wheezy: 4.1+Debian8+deb7u1; jessie: 4.1+Debian13+nmu1 |
| 14:08.00 | rod_ | yes give it a try |
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| 14:08.23 | jelly | nebg: which debian release are you using? |
| 14:08.31 | nebg | testing |
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| 14:08.33 | nebg | jelly, |
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| 14:08.53 | password2 | rebooting |
| 14:08.53 | jelle | I'm trying to replace a two packages by another package, i've added Conflicts: packageA, packageB Replaces: packageA, packabeB to the debian/control file but this does not same to remove packageA or packageB |
| 14:09.04 | jelly | nebg: https://lwn.net/Articles/658809/ |
| 14:09.05 | rod_ | good luck |
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| 14:09.33 | password2 | nothing seems to have changed |
| 14:09.59 | password2 | shit |
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| 14:10.03 | rod_ | hmm |
| 14:11.03 | password2 | it just stops after saying "Starting Load/Save Random Seed" |
| 14:11.05 | dagerik | getting some errors when plugging in my nucleo microcontroller: https://bpaste.net/show/a2f822b00a08 |
| 14:11.12 | dagerik | whats going on there |
| 14:11.30 | rod_ | password2, so you are stuck without login-promt |
| 14:11.39 | donofrio__atwork | does anyone here use these type of adapters for daily use? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004AIJE9G (aka "Plugable USB 2.0 to VGA / DVI / HDMI Video Graphics Adapter") |
| 14:11.40 | password2 | yes |
| 14:12.29 | hid3 | Hello. I am going to servers room in order to bring one server down and repartition its disk. I will be booting from live CD. How do I create an aligned partition correctly? I'd like to have and example with fdisk and with parted, just in case the live cd lacks one or antoher tool.. |
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| 14:14.13 | password2 | I wish i had a way to show you guys whats the output is what i get |
| 14:14.41 | jelly | jelle: do you also fully replace their functionality? https://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package |
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| 14:18.52 | jelle | jelly: yup |
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| 14:19.17 | password2 | also idk if i can run apt-get in that shell |
| 14:19.26 | jelle | jelly: I've used method 1 but it didn't remove the old package not sure if that's expected with dpkg -i |
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| 14:19.47 | password2 | i need to mount the ISOs apt0get points to , but i get an error when trying to mount them |
| 14:19.51 | jelly | jelle: then you're missing Conflicts: from the easy method (method 1) |
| 14:20.00 | rod_ | password2, reboot and from grub press "e" append "1" without quotes at end of entry boot into runlevel 1 (single user root administrative tasks) |
| 14:20.11 | jelle | jelly: but can Conflicts: have multiple packages? |
| 14:20.15 | jelly | jelle: sure |
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| 14:20.29 | pie_ | will installing python 3.5 from source on wheezy break anything? |
| 14:20.32 | jelly | jelle: test installations with apt, not dpkg directly |
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| 14:20.44 | jelly | dpkg, tell jelle about own repo |
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| 14:21.51 | jelly | pie_: no, not if you install it in a separate prefix (do NOT install into /usr) |
| 14:21.55 | password2 | oh well |
| 14:22.20 | pie_ | jelly: hm ok |
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| 14:23.14 | carel | hello debianites |
| 14:23.21 | jelly | pie_: packaged python code is supposed to use #!/usr/bin/python or #!/usr/bin/python3 explicitely instead of something silly like #!/usr/bin/env python |
| 14:23.23 | carel | hows it hanging |
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| 14:24.15 | pie_ | i think my friend didnt set the prefix when he was installing it on something else, what will break? |
| 14:24.18 | sam____ | hello , I need help with unbound , if someone is using it as dns resolver |
| 14:24.34 | xKa | jelly: Why is using /usr/bin/env silly? It was recommended on stackoverflow to use that, how come different things should apply to packaged python code? |
| 14:24.41 | sam____ | I have an error with the DNS key file for DNSSEC |
| 14:25.40 | password2 | oh well |
| 14:25.47 | password2 | i guess my sytem is dead |
| 14:25.52 | password2 | thanx for the help |
| 14:25.54 | pie_ | password2: :( |
| 14:26.04 | password2 | i have no idea how to fix it |
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| 14:27.53 | rod_ | password2, reboot and from grub press "e" append "1" without quotes at end of entry boot into runlevel 1 (single user root administrative tasks) |
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| 14:27.59 | rod_ | try |
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| 14:28.36 | jelly | xKa: it's silly in context of packaged software |
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| 14:30.59 | jelly | xKa: packages have well defined dependencies and required versions. They're part of the system, and user changing their environment settings and making them break or work in different ways would be... unwise. |
| 14:31.00 | password2 | ok , I'll try |
| 14:31.54 | Kevin` | how can I create the systemd config files for a getty when running debootstrap? the instructions don't cover it and there aren't any examples in /etc/init |
| 14:32.00 | xKa | jelly: Ok, thanks for the explanation, that sounds reasonable. |
| 14:32.01 | rueda | Grub says /dev/sdh2 is not found, this is my grub.cfg file http://paste.debian.net/379119/ I wonder what is wrong with it |
| 14:32.38 | password2 | rod_ should i just append 1 to the end of the file? |
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| 14:33.58 | jelly | rueda: verify /dev/sdh2 device node actually exists. Verify /dev/sdh is present in /boot/grub/device.map. Consider using /dev/disk/by-id/ names instead |
| 14:34.38 | rueda | jelly, |
| 14:34.43 | rueda | jelly, you're right |
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| 14:35.07 | rueda | jelly, thenode exist as I saw on another run of debian from another usb drive |
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| 14:35.28 | rueda | jelly, how do you read device.map files |
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| 14:36.05 | jelly | rueda: next time you boot it might become /dev/sdi or /dev/sdc instead |
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| 14:36.41 | jelly | device.map is just a text file, use less or an editor |
| 14:36.59 | rueda | how about cat |
| 14:38.11 | password2 | i added 1 to the endof the 'linux' line |
| 14:38.20 | jelly | meow |
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| 14:40.48 | BadApe | can i get nginx 1.9 for debian? |
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| 14:41.08 | BadApe | in a package |
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| 14:41.50 | jelly | ,v nginx |
| 14:41.51 | judd | Package: nginx on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.7.67-3+squeeze4+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5; jessie-backports: 1.9.4-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.9.10-1; stretch: 1.9.10-1 |
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| 14:42.01 | jelly | dpkg, tell BadApe about jessie-backports |
| 14:42.36 | BadApe | oh yes i had forgotten about backports, i've not been a debian user for a long time |
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| 14:54.18 | sharkman | how do i download libx264-142 onto debian? im on testing |
| 14:54.37 | sharkman | i dont see the package doing apt-cache search, so how can i get it? |
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| 14:55.46 | chele | ,v libx264 |
| 14:55.47 | judd | No package named 'libx264' was found in amd64. |
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| 14:55.53 | chele | ,v libx264-142 |
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| 14:56.48 | chele | There you go. |
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| 14:56.53 | xKa | I try to get hibernation to work with my Jessie sytem. I have a dedicated swap system and installed the GNOME hibernation button as recommended by the Debian wiki. However, my PC does not reboot after hibernating. How would I go to determine/fix the cause of this? |
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| 14:58.15 | xKa | swap partition |
| 14:58.16 | sharkman | chele but how do i get it onto my computer? im not very good with linux... |
| 14:58.21 | zykotick9 | xKa: <sidenote> if you happen to be using that "home directory" encryption, it breaks hibernation by default... good luck. |
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| 14:59.06 | xKa | zykotick9: Oh. I have everything except boot encrypted I think. |
| 14:59.15 | chele | apt-get install |
| 14:59.31 | zykotick9 | xKa: if you used encrypted lvm (during text installer) then you're fine! |
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| 15:00.43 | xKa | zykotick9: I don't remember exactly what the option was called, but I set up encryption with dm-cryptsetup at Jessie installation. Should hibernating work then? |
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| 15:02.11 | zykotick9 | xKa: you're good! no issue there. |
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| 15:04.33 | Mitzelflick | hi all, I want to ditch mac packer vmware workstation for debian |
| 15:04.42 | Mitzelflick | what replaces vmware on debian? |
| 15:04.48 | Mitzelflick | virtualbox? |
| 15:05.10 | Mitzelflick | can packer spit out vmware vms? running on debian with virtualbox? |
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| 15:06.58 | ghormoon | hi, how can (at least a bit efficiently) feed du a list of 650 000 files? IO can't do that at once (argument list too long), and one by one would be slow |
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| 15:07.56 | Mitzelflick | write a loop in bash |
| 15:07.58 | Mitzelflick | :) |
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| 15:08.11 | Mitzelflick | by the way #bash is |
| 15:08.22 | Mitzelflick | one of best channels on freenode |
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| 15:08.48 | dewp | hello! i have set up my webserver, running on a raspberry pi (with raspbian/apache), but when I want to access it from another machine I have to access it through the ip - when using http://raspberry/ it is re-routet to the locally running webserver (client is also debian) |
| 15:09.07 | Mitzelflick | proper way is something like for x in /my/folder/* ;do du -sh "$x";done >> results |
| 15:09.09 | dewp | can you tell me what my mistake is in this casE? |
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| 15:09.18 | Mitzelflick | you could also put file list into a file |
| 15:09.35 | dewp | because I would like to access it via http://raspberry/ ... or is it because there's also a webserver running on the client? |
| 15:09.43 | dewp | maybe some dns-stuff? hmm |
| 15:09.44 | Mitzelflick | and go while read -r x; do du -sh "$x" ;done < listfile |
| 15:09.59 | Mitzelflick | dewp /etc/hosts |
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| 15:10.17 | bezaban | by using xargs you can split the list of files so that it issues one command per entry |
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| 15:10.50 | dewp | Mitzelflick, http://pastebin.com/0jWGcuxR |
| 15:10.55 | Mitzelflick | ghormoon: sort -h is your friend |
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| 15:15.46 | Dagger | or there's `find -exec du {} +`, if your filename list is (or can) come from find |
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| 15:17.32 | Mitzelflick | find /some/place -type f -iname "*mykindafile*" -exec du -sh {} \; |
| 15:17.43 | Mitzelflick | find lets you exec du inside it |
| 15:17.45 | Kevin` | how can I tell the debian installer which network interface to use? it's trying to send dhcp over a can interface |
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| 15:18.02 | Mitzelflick | I think menu should ask u |
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| 15:18.18 | Dagger | Mitzelflick: that's going to run du once for each file though |
| 15:18.33 | Kevin` | Mitzelflick: I didn't get a menu, it just started trying things |
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| 15:19.07 | ghormoon | Mitzelflick: the point was not to invoke du for each file in that amount :) |
| 15:19.15 | jelly | ,v libdbd-oracle-perl |
| 15:19.16 | judd | Package: libdbd-oracle-perl on amd64 -- squeeze/contrib: 1.24b-1; wheezy/contrib: 1.44-1; sid/contrib: 1.74-1 |
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| 15:21.38 | dvs | systemd? |
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| 15:28.45 | TomTomTo1 | do i report typos in the debian FAQ as bugs in debian-doc? |
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| 15:29.19 | dvs | file a bug! |
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| 15:31.17 | BinBasher | jessie pls |
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| 15:33.41 | blind | BinBasher: could try backporting it |
| 15:34.17 | BinBasher | blind: with aptitude install -t jessie-backports sqlmap ? |
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| 15:34.43 | blind | well it looks like it's not in backports, but you can do it yourself |
| 15:34.50 | dvs | !ssb |
| 15:34.50 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 15:36.47 | Mitzelflick | anyone using packer on debian? |
| 15:37.21 | TomTomTo1 | dvs, yes, Sir! |
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| 15:37.34 | donofrio__atwork | anyone know how to join two debian's displays into one, or at least one that looks like one? want to do video wall but wide and not cube... |
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| 15:40.36 | BinBasher | I hoped today was lazy day, lol. |
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| 15:47.34 | Ooze | How's OpenLDAP compare to Active Directory? |
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| 15:50.57 | DoctorD90 | guys, i have downloaded a japanese file named. On nautilus (gnome) it showes like "_____(live at __).mp3" ...how may I tell to system that ___ are japanese encoded names? |
| 15:51.15 | DoctorD90 | i have also tried dpkg-reconfigure locales, adding JP to languages, but nothing |
| 15:51.21 | DoctorD90 | any suggestion? |
| 15:51.47 | nkuttler | DoctorD90: do you have a japanese font installed? |
| 15:51.56 | DoctorD90 | nkuttler, i dont know :P |
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| 15:52.25 | DoctorD90 | nkuttler, do you think is a font related stuff? is there some japanese font package in repo? |
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| 15:52.33 | tjcarter | DoctorD90: You probably don't. |
| 15:52.42 | dvs | or else they'd show! |
| 15:52.44 | DoctorD90 | tjcarter, i think me too |
| 15:52.51 | nkuttler | DoctorD90: it might be.. apt-cache search japanese font |
| 15:53.06 | tjcarter | Install some and then log out, then back in. |
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| 15:53.29 | DoctorD90 | ok! i go to try :D thx guys ^_^ |
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| 15:53.54 | DoctorD90 | i love this chamber full of other live-toys ^_^ (hehehe) over the login, and over! |
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| 15:56.55 | DoctorD90 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Installing_Japanese_character_sets#Debian_and_Ubuntu |
| 15:56.57 | DoctorD90 | lol |
| 15:57.11 | DoctorD90 | i go to install them :D |
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| 16:01.08 | hid3 | Hello. I have a Jessie system running custom kernel. How do I install the stock/distribution kernel from APT repositories? What package do I need to get? The platform is i386 |
| 16:01.29 | tvon | I believe itâs linux-image-* |
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| 16:02.07 | hid3 | there are exact packages with versions or generic one, e.g. linux-image-686-pae. Which one should I aim at? |
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| 16:02.59 | tvon | I believe the generic one will pull in whatever the latest exact version is |
| 16:03.06 | babilen | Do you want it to upgrade your kernel to a newer version if one becomes available or do you want to run that version forver? |
| 16:03.20 | babilen | (or until you explicitly install a different one) |
| 16:03.27 | hid3 | I think I want to have it updated constantly |
| 16:03.36 | DoctorD90 | generic so |
| 16:03.38 | hid3 | and not explicit installation |
| 16:03.51 | hid3 | good then. Thanks a lot guys! |
| 16:04.01 | babilen | linux-image-amd64 (or whatever your architecture is then) |
| 16:04.11 | babilen | judd: depends linux-image-amd64 |
| 16:04.12 | judd | Package linux-image-amd64 in jessie/amd64 -- depends: linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64. |
| 16:04.12 | hid3 | linux-image-686-pae |
| 16:04.25 | babilen | Oh, wow .. a 32 bit system :) |
| 16:04.34 | hid3 | judd: depends linux-image-686-pae |
| 16:04.35 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-686-pae' was found in jessie/amd64. |
| 16:04.36 | babilen | You must be installing on some old hardware |
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| 16:04.56 | hid3 | it is a 10-year old installation on old, but made with quality IBM hardware |
| 16:05.02 | hid3 | very reliable, especially for DNS server |
| 16:05.03 | babilen | +1 |
| 16:05.16 | Stameni | hello |
| 16:05.22 | hid3 | the server itself is made like in 2003ish? |
| 16:05.24 | Stameni | when i upgrade from 7 to 8 |
| 16:05.29 | hid3 | IBM xSeries 345 |
| 16:05.43 | Stameni | are all configuration files and users preserved ? |
| 16:05.56 | babilen | they are |
| 16:06.16 | babilen | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 16:06.22 | babilen | Stameni: ^ |
| 16:06.26 | Stameni | and all programs, including sudo work as before ? |
| 16:06.39 | Stameni | tnx babilen |
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| 16:08.32 | babilen | Stameni: No, not all of them will work as before as most of them will have changes. That is the point of an upgrade, to get newer versions that also have newer features. The release notes contain some comments about specific daemons and changes in jessie. |
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| 16:09.47 | Stameni | thats ok babilen, i was just concerned if all of my configuration files, vim configuration files and plugins are intact |
| 16:09.59 | DoctorD90 | Nothing to do... it just saved it as _____ and i cant do anything...ufff |
| 16:10.36 | Stameni | going for upgrade, thank you, have a nice day |
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| 16:15.40 | starlord | who's in the mood for discovering why my wireless drivers aren't working? >:D |
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| 16:26.57 | rafalcpp | how to show which IP does foo.com resolve to actually? |
| 16:27.08 | rafalcpp | ping6 x.y works, but dig -t ANY x.y shows no domain |
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| 16:27.28 | grawity | getent ahosts x.y |
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| 16:27.49 | grawity | also, some DNS servers do not like ANY queries, so try separate A and AAAA |
| 16:27.59 | grawity | (/usr/bin/host is more convenient for that) |
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| 16:28.10 | quantic | You can also try using A+AAAA as the type. |
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| 16:30.07 | grawity | won't do much, since `dig` doesn't understand that syntax (and queries can only have one type), but yeah, you can try. |
| 16:32.55 | quantic | Oh, huh. Is it nslookup that supports that syntax? |
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| 16:33.46 | quantic | dig google.com A google.com AAAA +short |
| 16:33.49 | quantic | THAT will work, though. |
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| 16:36.41 | grawity | doesn't seem like it: "$ nslookup -q=A+AAAA google.com" says nope |
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| 16:37.41 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 16:38.23 | mcgreg | I have a BOSE music system, whoch is connected to the network. can I somehow play music from my desktop computer through network on my bose sound system? |
| 16:38.48 | mcgreg | can I use pulseaudio or whatever to look for that device? |
| 16:38.55 | mcgreg | or alsa? |
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| 16:52.02 | jhutchins | mcgreg: Since we (probably) don't know anything about the specs of the device, or what OS or services it might be running, it's pretty hard to tell. |
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| 16:54.40 | esaym | Can I specify raid5 chunk size on the installer disk setup page? Last time I tried (a few years ago) I couldn't. |
| 16:54.51 | mcgreg | jhutchins: I understand. I didn't expect that actually. I was more curious if there is a "management" tool to make pulseaudio look for audio-device in the network |
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| 16:58.39 | frostschutz | esaym, maybe you can't... what chunk size is it you want and why? most people just go with the default... |
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| 16:59.36 | esaym | frostschutz: the default at one time was 512kb, then it was 64kb (a more sane value). I'm thinking either 16kb or 32kb for my new set up |
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| 17:01.04 | frostschutz | esaym, 64kb is the old default, 512kb the current one (for mdadm anyhow, not sure what the debian installer does). for 16-32kb you will probably have to create the raid yourself instead of relying on the installer. or change it later using mdadm --grow if that's possible |
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| 17:04.50 | esaym | frostschutz: ah, docs say --grow can change chunk size, interesting. Have no idea how that can work |
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| 17:06.41 | LordShadowWing | I am experiencing a possible bug. When any Music player That I have tried to use goes to load another song it jumps the volume to max, causing me to have to drop the volume with ach song hange |
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| 17:08.02 | casper1 | anybody have links to deep websites |
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| 17:09.08 | casper1 | sure |
| 17:09.24 | casper1 | any cool deep web links? |
| 17:09.46 | TomTomTo1 | nope |
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| 17:10.09 | ewew | this is the wrong channel to ask. :P |
| 17:10.42 | casper1 | whats this channel good for? |
| 17:10.53 | tpham3783 | does anyone know how to automatically increment the changelog version number from the lastest git's tag, with git-dch? |
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| 17:11.27 | n0t | This is debian support channel.. however I will point you to layer That I have tried to use goes to load another song it jumps the volume to max, causing me to have to drop the volume with ach song hange |
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| 17:11.31 | n0t | 12:08 -!- mode/#debian [+l 1753] by debhelper |
| 17:11.38 | donofrio__atwork | casper1: your in a debian group why would you look for anything else here? |
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| 17:12.00 | casper1 | wtf is a debian group? |
| 17:12.16 | jelly | !debian |
| 17:12.16 | dpkg | from memory, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 17:13.02 | jelly | casper1: ^^ this irc channel is about a specific linux distribution and getting advice and help about it in real time |
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| 17:13.23 | tpham3783 | is there a channel for debian developers? |
| 17:13.42 | jelly | casper1: most channels on this irc network are about collaboration in different open source software projects |
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| 17:14.07 | tpham3783 | jelly, for developers, particularly? |
| 17:14.19 | dontknow | tpham3783, i think they are at irc.oftc.net |
| 17:14.23 | jelly | I was answering casper1 |
| 17:14.29 | jelly | tpham3783: there are dozens on irc.debian.org (= OFTC = irc.oftc.net) |
| 17:14.48 | tpham3783 | jelly, thanks, i'll go there then |
| 17:14.49 | casper1 | ok thats cool |
| 17:14.50 | dontknow | but it is not as active as here |
| 17:14.53 | jelly | tpham3783: why do you ask? |
| 17:15.04 | bugnuts | whats a good/where to get a nice dark gtk theme thats good for bluefish/screen realestate |
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| 17:16.10 | casper1 | that sounds like pedo talk, I just want some links to sites on darkweb where there is interesting stuff not pedo |
| 17:16.38 | bugnuts | err its just a theme dude |
| 17:16.39 | tpham3783 | jelly, that's b/c i have some technical questions about packaging |
| 17:16.48 | bugnuts | i want none of that pedo shit |
| 17:17.02 | bugnuts | just hate all the white everywhere |
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| 17:17.16 | casper1 | ok, well im new here. I dunno |
| 17:17.20 | n0t | casper1: you're still in the wrong place. http://bfy.tw/49TQ |
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| 17:19.21 | bugnuts | oooook then, that was random |
| 17:21.09 | donofrio__atwork | lol yah no kidding....internet still strange place at times |
| 17:21.38 | WeiJunLi | help with this issue please http://paste.ubuntu.com/14994347/ - error retrieved when trying to apt-get install w3af |
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| 17:23.45 | bugnuts | donofrio__atwork, true that |
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| 17:24.20 | bugnuts | WeiJunLi, no idea bud, try an alterative source? |
| 17:24.47 | WeiJunLi | bugnuts: i think that isnt the problem |
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| 17:25.20 | bugnuts | it looks like the package is corrupted or something went very very bad with the install |
| 17:25.42 | donofrio__atwork | WeiJunLi: wouldn't that be something pip would install for you? |
| 17:26.00 | bugnuts | try debsums -s to check file integrity of your system if nothing pops up its a good thing :0 |
| 17:26.07 | donofrio__atwork | (mind you I don't know just trying to help) |
| 17:26.27 | bugnuts | same here :) |
| 17:26.34 | WeiJunLi | donofrio__atwork: I have removed python directories and reinstalled python using source, configure;make;make install |
| 17:26.39 | WeiJunLi | donofrio__atwork: I think something is half-configured |
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| 17:27.57 | bugnuts | WeiJunLi, sory buddy im just a mere mortal! |
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| 17:47.33 | bugnuts | is there a way to muck about with themeing in the console? (using qubes, so headless apart from gui apps) |
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| 17:48.31 | jelly | theming of what, really? |
| 17:49.00 | jelly | bugnuts: are you talking about terminal emulators or actual console? |
| 17:49.02 | bugnuts | getting rid of the white background in hexchat/bluefish |
| 17:49.28 | jelly | hexchat isn't a terminal or console app as far as I know |
| 17:49.47 | bugnuts | jelly, thats an exelent question which i dont know the diffrence between |
| 17:49.49 | jelly | and it can be told to have dark background |
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| 17:51.29 | bugnuts | jelly (qubes-os,org) has a debian template, as such i cant see any debian gui it works headless, but i can run gui apps, and well debian isonlated in a secure virtulised sandbox |
| 17:51.30 | jelly | bugnuts: press Ctrl-Alt-F1 to switch to "console". That other stuff you use back in X (Ctrl-Alt-F7 to go back) is X client software that just looks like a console or a physical terminal, an "X terminal emulator" |
| 17:52.06 | bugnuts | awsome to know ty jelly |
| 17:52.07 | jelly | you'll have to ask the Qubes people what they did |
| 17:52.14 | greycat | In jessie, Ctrl-Alt-F1 is more likely to be your X session. Ctrl-Alt-F2 should be a console though. |
| 17:52.34 | greycat | Unless it's not. It's all very configurable. |
| 17:52.56 | zykotick9 | notes, when in VT/console, it's just ALT+FX to move around (or alt+arrowkey) |
| 17:53.02 | jelly | greycat: wat |
| 17:53.14 | jelly | how do |
| 17:53.34 | bugnuts | ah ok, as far as i can figure out if i run a standard gtk theme as it would be normally in debian, (only where does the files live to configure) it should work and be applied to the applications running inside debian |
| 17:53.39 | grawity | you said that as if inittab was not very configurable |
| 17:53.43 | greycat | zykotick9: ctrl-alt-fN always works, whereas alt-fN only sometimes works. |
| 17:53.55 | zykotick9 | greycat: i _think_ debian still has DMs running in F7 location... certainly is you "startx" it'll be in whatever VT you started it in... |
| 17:54.07 | zykotick9 | greycat: true... |
| 17:54.31 | greycat | jelly: in jessie, with no *dm installed, you login on tty1, and then type startx, and now Ctrl-Alt-F1 *is* your X session. It doesn't start a new one on Ctrl-Alt-F7 the way older versions did. |
| 17:54.41 | jelly | bugnuts: your interface and environment is then quite different from a normal debian setup |
| 17:54.53 | greycat | jelly: this is from a default systemd boot. |
| 17:55.02 | zykotick9 | greycat: "with no *dm installed" being _key_ there. jelly |
| 17:55.09 | jelly | greycat: oh. I haven't been using startx this decade. Maybe this millennium. |
| 17:55.37 | bugnuts | jelly, ok thanks, ill dig deeper :) |
| 17:55.45 | greycat | startx is SO much easier than trying to reverse engineer how your undocumented *dm works. You want to set a variable? Put it in .bash_profile, and you're DONE! It's so simple! |
| 17:55.45 | jelly | bets greycat doesn't even UTF-8 yet |
| 17:55.56 | greycat | On Debian, I do. |
| 17:56.00 | jelly | get on with the times! |
| 17:56.05 | greycat | My IRC client isn't on Debian though. |
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| 17:56.41 | jelly | HP-UX is communism â |
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| 17:57.31 | jelly | I think my variables are set in /etc/default/{locale,environment} |
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| 17:57.56 | greycat | You cannot set personal, my-account-only variables in /etc/* |
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| 18:00.15 | jelly | greycat: let's be honest here, is your workstation really a multiuser system |
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| 18:01.12 | greycat | It could be. But configuring your personal crap in /etc/environment just because you installed a stupid-ass *dm package that doesn't document any ~/.* files is just *wrong*. |
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| 18:02.07 | kuly-zu | when i run netstat i saw some PID/program-name has a -, even if it's run with sudo, why? |
| 18:02.22 | greycat | kuly-zu: is it -bash? |
| 18:02.33 | grawity | some sockets (e.g. NFS) are created by the kernel itself |
| 18:02.49 | teward | kuly-zu: you should probably *not* be asking in all the Debian-based distributions' channels simultaneously the same exact question |
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| 18:02.57 | teward | (it can be considered 'spamming' the entire net) |
| 18:03.21 | kuly-zu | greycat, yes |
| 18:03.55 | greycat | kuly-zu: when a shell is executed with - in front of its name, it acts as a "login shell", which means it reads /etc/profile and so on (depending on which shell it is). |
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| 18:06.26 | kuly-zu | greycat, netstat needed the root priv, not sudo |
| 18:06.33 | ikonia | kuly-zu: what OS are you using |
| 18:06.43 | kuly-zu | it only now show - in front of TIME_WAIT |
| 18:06.49 | kuly-zu | debian based system |
| 18:06.57 | ikonia | no - no debian based |
| 18:07.00 | ikonia | what OS exactly |
| 18:07.04 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 18:07.04 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 18:07.07 | ikonia | 4/join #debian |
| 18:07.45 | kuly-zu | it's just linux, and netstat is very old, what can be possibly change |
| 18:07.47 | kuly-zu | anyway |
| 18:07.49 | kuly-zu | thank you |
| 18:07.50 | ikonia | kuly-zu: what distro are you using |
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| 18:08.13 | jelly | ikonia: you're already here! |
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| 18:08.20 | greycat | no longer knows what the hell kuly-zu is even asking, since apparently he's not actually talking about -bash in the process list. |
| 18:08.28 | bugnuts | hmmm |
| 18:08.31 | ikonia | jelly: with fat fingers too |
| 18:08.34 | Donitzo | yello |
| 18:08.34 | bugnuts | !qubes |
| 18:08.39 | bugnuts | aww |
| 18:08.42 | Donitzo | is it possible to somehow install debian without installing nouveau? |
| 18:09.10 | jelly | bugnuts: dunno, maybe try /msg alis list *qubes* |
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| 18:09.32 | jelly | Donitzo: you'll always get the kernel module. Why? |
| 18:09.36 | jelly | !goal |
| 18:09.36 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
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| 18:09.41 | teraflops | Donitzo: jes install debian and before bootin the first time blacklist nouveau :P |
| 18:09.45 | teraflops | yes* |
| 18:09.53 | Donitzo | ah cool. Thank you. and it's because I want to run CUDA |
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| 18:10.24 | bugnuts | jelly, will do, im allways lurking on their irc chanel, was trying to play with the deb helper bot :) |
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| 18:10.35 | Sayona | Hi, I have a big problem with debian. I use a virtual machine and other PC only with debian. I try to send email using smtp ssl from virtual machine with debian, all ok. BUt if I try to send email from PC how has only debian... the email smtp not work. Can anyone help me? |
| 18:10.39 | jelly | Donitzo, read /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 18:10.50 | Sayona | Warning: fsockopen(): SSL operation failed with code 1. OpenSSL Error messages: |
| 18:10.51 | Sayona | error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed in |
| 18:10.55 | Sayona | and is the same db and email |
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| 18:11.00 | Donitzo | But how is that done before booting? |
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| 18:11.21 | teraflops | I faced some laptop models that after the first boot they get freezed because nouveau (optimus crap) |
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| 18:11.49 | jelly | Sayona: which debian release is that, and which software gives that error? |
| 18:11.54 | karlpinc | Donitzo: You use an alternate vt in the installer, if nothing else. |
| 18:12.09 | Sayona | jelly, is the same 8 |
| 18:12.22 | jelly | Donitzo: the factoid also points to a different factoid for initramfs blacklisting |
| 18:12.59 | jelly | Donitzo: but technically nouveau does not get loaded "before booting" |
| 18:13.05 | teraflops | Donitzo: after finishing the debian installation it asks for rebootig the machine or just drop you in a terminal (if I recall correctly) |
| 18:13.08 | jelly | so you should not need that |
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| 18:13.15 | Donitzo | ah |
| 18:13.23 | isthisreallife | ImportError: pycurl: libcurl link-time version (7.38.0) is older than compile-time version (7.45.0) |
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| 18:13.32 | isthisreallife | how to fix it? |
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| 18:14.04 | greycat | ,v libcurl3 |
| 18:14.05 | judd | Package: libcurl3 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze8; squeeze: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze8; squeeze-security-lts: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze12; wheezy: 7.26.0-1+wheezy13; wheezy-security: 7.26.0-1+wheezy13; jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u2; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u3; jessie-proposed-updates: 7.38.0-4+deb8u3; sid: 7.47.0-1; stretch: 7.47.0-1 |
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| 18:14.17 | teraflops | isthisreallife: you use to sudo pip install things? |
| 18:14.26 | greycat | I'm guessing you took a binary program compiled on some non-Debian system and dropped it on jessie.... |
| 18:14.29 | Sayona | jelly, SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 |
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| 18:15.07 | jelly | teraflops: uh, does pip grab binaries from someplace? |
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| 18:15.32 | greycat | not in my experience, but that's very limited |
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| 18:15.45 | teraflops | jelly: if you do sudo pip install ... then weird things happens |
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| 18:18.09 | TomTomTo1 | jelly, it only installs from source |
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| 18:18.29 | teraflops | TomTomTo1: pip? |
| 18:19.55 | jelly | TomTomTo1: how can the compile-time version be newer than what's available on the system |
| 18:20.02 | jelly | then* |
| 18:20.23 | teraflops | TomTomTo1: nope, pip grabs from the internet and usually versions mismatch with debian package versions so if you do pip as root it places the shit / instead ~/ and then ... weird things happens |
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| 18:21.15 | greycat | TomTomTo1: teraflops: jelly: the original poster DID NOT say he was using pip. That was someone's unconfirmed (and probably wrong) guess. |
| 18:21.19 | jelly | Sayona: which software gives that error, ie. which software are you using as a SMTP client (to send mail)? |
| 18:21.26 | teraflops | greycat: right i just asked :P |
| 18:21.42 | Sayona | yes jelly . Joomla i use ! but if i use other.. is the same |
| 18:22.21 | jelly | Sayona: is the smtp server you're using visible from the internet, perhaps? |
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| 18:22.46 | Sayona | I use a wesite to connect on my srv email to send emails |
| 18:22.48 | Sayona | for newsletter |
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| 18:22.58 | Sayona | I use a external smtp server |
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| 18:23.20 | jelly | Sayona: is the external smtp server you're using visible from the internet, perhaps (and which one is it, if possible)? |
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| 18:23.45 | Sayona | jelly, I use a personal vps for sendmail |
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| 18:24.58 | jelly | Sayona: can you tell us its name (or ip address) or not, I'd like to confirm the remote ssl setup is sane if possible |
| 18:25.13 | Sayona | can I paste you on private? |
| 18:25.36 | jelly | Sayona: no, I don't give private help for free. |
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| 18:25.46 | Sayona | only to paste the address |
| 18:25.55 | jelly | but then noone else can help. |
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| 18:26.16 | Sayona | the smtp work becouse I used a from other server |
| 18:26.30 | Sayona | and I use from a virtual machine with the same debian... |
| 18:26.35 | Sayona | and the smtp work! |
| 18:26.42 | Sayona | no know why not work on this one |
| 18:26.55 | jelly | Sayona: ok then, |
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| 18:27.17 | Sayona | srv.drumetiimontane.ro is the smtp |
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| 18:27.39 | jelly | are you using port 25, or 465, or 587? |
| 18:27.52 | Sayona | 465 |
| 18:27.58 | teraflops | well an email server listening in 25 facing the internet for a domain name... is not that is a secret |
| 18:28.40 | jelly | Sayona: ok, do this: openssl s_client -CApath /etc/ssl/certs -showcerts -connect srv.drumetiimontane.ro:465 |
| 18:28.54 | jelly | Sayona: from both debian systems, and pastebin the whole output |
| 18:29.06 | jelly | Sayona: type QUIT <enter> to exit the smtp session |
| 18:29.13 | jelly | !paste |
| 18:29.14 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 18:29.33 | Sayona | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/379192/ |
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| 18:30.06 | jelly | you have a self-signed certificate set up there |
| 18:30.29 | Sayona | no know |
| 18:30.35 | markybob | yes it is |
| 18:30.45 | Sayona | how to set up |
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| 18:31.11 | jelly | Sayona: that was a statement. This is not necessarily bad, but you'll have to add the public certificate to the second machine you're connecting from |
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| 18:31.36 | Sayona | ufff i forggot about my son |
| 18:31.41 | Sayona | I need to go with him at school |
| 18:31.47 | Sayona | I will come back in 40min |
| 18:31.52 | Sayona | it's oky jelly? |
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| 18:31.57 | Sayona | :* |
| 18:31.58 | jelly | Sayona: yes, go now |
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| 18:32.04 | Sayona | thanks :*** |
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| 18:32.38 | jelly | bash.org anyone |
| 18:32.49 | greycat | jelly: Nice of you not to abuse your surprising power to hold parents in IRC thrall. |
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| 18:32.57 | markybob | heh |
| 18:33.12 | jelly | http://www.bash.org/?search=forgot+my+daughter&sort=0&show=25 |
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| 18:35.35 | jelly | dpkg, flw73 is <Sayona> ufff i forggot about my son <Sayona> I need to go with him at school |
| 18:35.36 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
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| 18:37.09 | greycat | jelly: no, the best part is where he/she *asks your permission* to go |
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| 18:37.37 | jelly | greycat: yeah, but I don't add myself to quote databases |
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| 18:37.59 | jelly | feel free to fix |
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| 18:38.30 | teraflops | uhmm that <is> sounds like factoid plugin from supybot powered bot |
| 18:39.40 | greycat | dpkg, flw73 =~ s/school/school <Sayona> I will come back in 40min <Sayona> it's oky jelly? <jelly> Sayona: yes, go now <Sayona> thanks :*** <greycat> jelly: Nice of you not to abuse your surprising power to hold parents in IRC thrall./ |
| 18:39.40 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 18:40.35 | toogley | hello. why does "apt install wicd=1.7.3-3" return that the version wasn't found, although it clearly exists in unstable (and i'm running unstable)? |
| 18:40.58 | jelly | teraflops: that factoid plugin is a clone of infobot's factoid functionality, and dpkg is an infobot |
| 18:41.13 | teraflops | ah thanks for the info |
| 18:41.15 | teward | toogley: does it show under `apt-cache policy wicd` as an installation candidate? |
| 18:41.19 | jelly | dpkg: what are you |
| 18:41.19 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>. |
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| 18:44.56 | toogley | teward: i have to correct me: i'm running jessie, but anyways i can't install anything besides the version 1.7.2.4-4.1 (which is the most current on jessie) => that version is also cited by apt-cache policy wicd |
| 18:45.32 | teward | toogley: 'that version' being 1.7.2.4-4.1, I assume |
| 18:45.39 | toogley | teward: e.g. apt-get install wicd=1.7.2.4-4 (which is oldstable) fails "was not found" |
| 18:46.00 | toogley | teward: exactly |
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| 18:47.35 | teward | toogley: don't forget that =VERSION will only work provided it's available either locally on your system or one of the repository sources yo uhave enabled |
| 18:47.49 | teward | therefore, if 1.7.2.4-4 isn't listed in your installation candidates list, you're kinda stuck |
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| 18:48.16 | toogley | teward: ah, yes. thanks |
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| 18:49.17 | teward | unless you want to compile the newer versions on your system directly, or attempt to use the newer package by downloading it right from packages.debian.org (which I disadvise, since wicd is a metapackage that depends on several other packages) |
| 18:49.44 | toogley | teward: so, my problem is this: i just need exact versions of wicd. i don't care about other software on this system. => can i just enable the access to this version? |
| 18:50.06 | toogley | teward: i need the acces to this particular version, so i can't download the newest (bug testing and such) |
| 18:50.24 | toogley | teward: with access to this version i mean basically just wicd |
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| 18:50.54 | teward | toogley: so, basically, you want everything to remain as-is but wicd, in a Jessie environment? |
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| 18:51.45 | zykotick9 | toogley: <sidenote> i used to use wicd on my laptop, now i'm trying to use just /etc/network/interfaces... |
| 18:51.58 | toogley | teward: nope. i want wicd in a version which is not neccessarily the most current in jessie/stretch/wheezy/ - i don't care about the rest^^ |
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| 18:52.38 | toogley | zykotick9: i'm a potential maintainer of the wicd package, so this approach doesn't work for me^^ |
| 18:53.14 | teward | I'd point you at using Testing or Unstable, then, if you're trying to bugtest, but that's offtopic for here (and then you get to rely on #debian-next over on OFTC) |
| 18:53.35 | teward | and I mean in place of Jessie :P |
| 18:53.36 | toogley | oh, sry. i didn't knew this is offtopic here |
| 18:53.37 | zykotick9 | toogley: best of luck! /me really did like wicd-curses... |
| 18:53.52 | toogley | zykotick9: thanks :) |
| 18:53.57 | teward | toogley: though, a suggetion would be asing how to upgrade from jessie to testing, but as I prefer stable instead, :P |
| 18:54.02 | teward | doesn't have those tasks to update |
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| 18:56.27 | jelly | dpkg, tell toogley about snapshot |
| 18:57.17 | toogley | jelly: ah, great! this is exactly what i need :) |
| 18:57.38 | teward | that works :) |
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| 19:21.28 | afflatus | I just upgraded Debian testing and I'm now having problems with vlc, pidgin and minetest, which all look audio related. Something pulseaudio, openAl? is failing to deinitilize |
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| 19:22.21 | afflatus | can anyone help me work out what I'm looking at? |
| 19:22.47 | Sayona | Back |
| 19:22.49 | Sayona | jelly, |
| 19:22.57 | mtn | afflatus: Install and use pavucontrol. Check sound levels and devices in Output and Configuration tabs. |
| 19:23.22 | afflatus | They're all disabled |
| 19:23.42 | Sayona | Mr. jelly, can you help me with the certificat of my machine? how I add? |
| 19:23.55 | afflatus | that's how I figured pidgin, minetest and vlc were all afffected |
| 19:24.02 | mtn | afflatus: do you mean there are no devices available in the devices tab? |
| 19:25.17 | mtn | afflatus: I mean devices dropdown menu |
| 19:25.51 | afflatus | headphones |
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| 19:26.15 | karlpinc | Sayona: Public certificates go in /etc/ssl/certs I don't recall more than that. There may be something in the debian policy guide (see the package or at debian.org). Or there may be something specific to the program you're using.; |
| 19:26.37 | Sayona | karlpinc, not have etc/ssl/cert |
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| 19:26.54 | karlpinc | Sayona: /etc/ssl/certs/ |
| 19:27.12 | Sayona | uff |
| 19:27.23 | karlpinc | Sayona: What program? |
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| 19:27.43 | Sayona | I use joomla for newsletter my group |
| 19:27.55 | karlpinc | Sayona: with apache? |
| 19:28.02 | Sayona | yes |
| 19:28.05 | Sayona | apache2 |
| 19:28.08 | afflatus | mtn: ok, wait I think I'm getting somewhere |
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| 19:28.23 | afflatus | Tat was helpful |
| 19:28.46 | karlpinc | Sayona: You're apache conf says what dir it looks for certs in. Likely it's /etc/ssl/certs/ |
| 19:29.08 | karlpinc | Sayona: You'll need to restart apache. I think. |
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| 19:29.25 | Sayona | the Apache was restarted |
| 19:30.07 | karlpinc | Sayona: Is this a client cert or a server cert? |
| 19:30.32 | Sayona | my server where I use Joomla is a client i think. |
| 19:30.37 | Sayona | the smtp is on other server |
| 19:31.01 | karlpinc | Sayona: It's not apache doing smtp. What program does smtp? |
| 19:31.20 | Sayona | I use a Joomla Website with a plugin to send email |
| 19:31.28 | Sayona | how connect to other server smtp |
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| 19:31.55 | karlpinc | Sayona: It uses your local MTA, something like exim4 or postfix or sendmail or something. |
| 19:31.57 | greycat | I would imagine your web-thing just queues up a message with the local MTA, which then does the deliveries. |
| 19:32.08 | karlpinc | Likely exim4. |
| 19:32.17 | bugnuts | hrmmmm where oh where could the bass boost be hiding!!! |
| 19:32.21 | Sayona | i think I solve the problem |
| 19:32.24 | Sayona | using sudo mkdir /usr/local/share/ca-certificates/mycerts |
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| 19:32.28 | Sayona | and add the cert here |
| 19:32.30 | Sayona | let me try |
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| 19:33.34 | karlpinc | greycat: On the other hand, lord knows what those content management plugins do. |
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| 19:33.52 | karlpinc | was recently exposed to wordpress. *shudder* |
| 19:33.57 | greycat | True. I lack the imagination of web "developers". |
| 19:34.49 | nkuttler | Sayona: usually those cms things can be configured to use an external smtp, try the people who do support for yours |
| 19:34.51 | karlpinc | greycat: This made me curious about joomla. They have nothing but an RSS feed to announce security updates, with added noise. Which is better than wordpress. |
| 19:35.08 | bugnuts | feels sory for karlpinc's recent violation |
| 19:35.13 | nkuttler | Sayona: of course you could install an mta that does that for all email, or configure yours to do it |
| 19:35.23 | Sayona | I think is working what I do |
| 19:35.25 | Sayona | let me try |
| 19:36.26 | bugnuts | i gave up on frameworks, and cms and decided life is so much simpler if you just start fresh and craft exactly what you want |
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| 19:40.20 | yyyy | Why does Debian hate me? |
| 19:40.55 | dvs | It detects Windows on your system? ;-) |
| 19:40.59 | Sayona | Yeeeeee |
| 19:41.05 | yyyy | I don't have Windows installed. |
| 19:41.12 | yyyy | So that's not it |
| 19:41.14 | Sayona | jelly, nkuttler work!!!! thanksss |
| 19:41.20 | Sayona | karlpinc, thanks |
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| 19:41.28 | Sayona | I install the cert and work |
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| 19:43.02 | yyyy | Maybe it's not my fault. Maybe Poettering is too blame. #blamepoettering |
| 19:43.22 | greycat | If you're having a specific issue, giving details will help more than making jokes. |
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| 20:12.11 | jhutchins | bugnuts: That's usually something that's built into the audio card (or rather usually not). |
| 20:12.37 | jhutchins | bugnuts: I think there are things you can do with audacity for recordings, but I don't know about live sound. |
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| 20:12.53 | coypu | hi, does debian gnu/kfreebsd define FreeBSD? (for macro stuff in C) |
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| 20:13.14 | coypu | I'm gambling on no but I wanna know for sure before I break programs for other people... |
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| 20:18.44 | jelly | !kfreebsd |
| 20:18.44 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 are not official release architectures for Debian 8 "Jessie" due to quality concerns. https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 20:19.06 | cluelessperson | why are we still using old as balls programming for such cornerstone things like dns/email ? |
| 20:19.12 | jelly | coypu: best ask in the subproject's channel |
| 20:19.18 | cluelessperson | some of these protocols/apis are so ancient |
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| 20:19.25 | coypu | jelly: did ask :P |
| 20:19.33 | jhutchins | cluelessperson: So is fire. It still works. |
| 20:19.36 | coypu | hm, there's another on oftc? k |
| 20:19.38 | jelly | ah. Also, patience |
| 20:20.01 | coypu | I need to fix cooooooode |
| 20:20.20 | markybob | cluelessperson, you can make your own if you'd like. if it's any good it might get adopted. otherwise what we have is fine. |
| 20:20.21 | jhutchins | coypu: First fule: don't fix what's not broken. |
| 20:20.25 | jelly | cluelessperson: this channel is more about immediate problems and tech support than random musings |
| 20:20.36 | cluelessperson | jhutchins, The thing about fire, is that it's elegant and cannot really be improved upon..... |
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| 20:20.53 | jelly | cluelessperson: for offtopic ramblings, try ##chat or #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:23.22 | coypu | jhutchins: I have 102 local patches |
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| 20:23.30 | coypu | jhutchins: I want to get that number to nearly zero |
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| 20:24.26 | coypu | jhutchins: "not broken" is an interesting way to put it! |
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| 20:25.31 | LambdaComplex | cluelessperson: probably because if you tried to change them you'd have a bunch of people screaming "but, the unix way!" as if it's a valid argument |
| 20:25.33 | LambdaComplex | (see: systemd) |
| 20:27.51 | coypu | jhutchins: I hate whenever someone does defined(one BSD) || defined(another BSD) || defined(third BSD). now with dfly and bitrig (soon to die) it's getting out of hand |
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| 20:40.57 | Sayona | question : i want to access the desktop of ubuntu via some program from windows |
| 20:41.00 | Sayona | is posible? |
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| 20:41.20 | karlpinc | Sayona: Yes. Ask #ubuntu what they recommend. |
| 20:41.26 | coypu | x2go |
| 20:41.28 | n0t | Sayona: VNC, X11 Forwarding, X2go |
| 20:41.39 | n0t | X2Go is my top suggestion though, that thing is amazing |
| 20:41.42 | Sayona | vnc |
| 20:41.48 | Sayona | let me see if work |
| 20:42.06 | greycat | If it doesn't work, ask #ubuntu. We don't support Ubuntu desktops here. |
| 20:42.19 | Sayona | ups |
| 20:42.21 | Sayona | desktop of debian |
| 20:42.26 | Sayona | sorry use debian |
| 20:42.29 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 20:42.29 | coypu | ;) |
| 20:42.41 | Sayona | SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:42.49 | markybob | common mistake |
| 20:42.51 | markybob | rolls eyes |
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| 20:43.09 | tjcarter | Ubuntu is an ancient African word that means "Couldn't figure out jigdo" :) |
| 20:43.13 | coypu | apparently gnu/kfreebsd doesn't define BSD nor FreeBSD. hooray. that's like, shooting yourself in the foot, but sure, why not. :-P |
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| 20:44.00 | jelly | coypu: what does it do then |
| 20:44.07 | coypu | freebsd_kernel |
| 20:44.10 | coypu | and glibc |
| 20:44.22 | tjcarter | facepalms |
| 20:44.34 | jelly | too bad that first netbsd port died |
| 20:44.48 | jelly | (the one with bsd libc) |
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| 20:45.49 | coypu | :) might see more cool stuff w/ mixed netbsd/linux in the future with rump getting some attention |
| 20:46.09 | tjcarter | isn't kinda half the argument for doing a freebsd port to get away from glibc's glibcness? |
| 20:46.35 | coypu | hm, I'm not sure then |
| 20:46.38 | coypu | maybe it defines GNU instead |
| 20:46.54 | coypu | the point is to benefit from jails & zfs |
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| 20:48.21 | coypu | http://sourceforge.net/p/predef/wiki/OperatingSystems/ :-) there we go, it does use GLIBC then. |
| 20:48.22 | tjcarter | Oracle could've fixed that zfs issue with Linux... They totally could've, and should've. But they didn't want to. |
| 20:48.23 | jelly | tjcarter: porting the userspace was a lot easier with glibc |
| 20:48.32 | tjcarter | stabs Oracle with an OpenSolaris CD. |
| 20:48.43 | coypu | tjcarter: yes, Solaris would've been pointless if Linux had all their cool features |
| 20:48.50 | tjcarter | jelly: I imagine it would've been, yeah |
| 20:49.10 | tjcarter | coypu: inorite |
| 20:49.19 | coypu | at least it's open source |
| 20:49.40 | Sayona | what is the easy way to install gnome desktop on debian 8? |
| 20:49.52 | coypu | most companies resolve such issues with closing the source code to their cool stuff :-) |
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| 20:50.25 | tjcarter | Sayona: the easy ways involve looking at task-desktop-gnome or slitting your wrists. :) |
| 20:51.14 | tjcarter | task-desktop-gnome in aptitude is generally less messy. :) |
| 20:51.14 | Sayona | thanks |
| 20:53.12 | Sayona | what is the best browser in debian? |
| 20:53.51 | mtn | Sayona: the one you like |
| 20:54.01 | coypu | Firefox /s |
| 20:54.05 | markybob | Sayona, the one you like best. it has chromium, iceweasel, web (epiphany), elinks, etc, etc |
| 20:54.11 | markybob | coypu, it doesn't have firefox |
| 20:54.16 | Sayona | iceweasel i used |
| 20:54.17 | coypu | Nobody does. |
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| 20:54.45 | coypu | is actually patching Firefox right now. |
| 20:54.48 | markybob | coypu, so why'd you feel the need to say it? |
| 20:55.01 | Sayona | :* |
| 20:55.28 | markybob | coypu, you should come back on sunday |
| 20:55.41 | coypu | what happens on sundays? |
| 20:55.50 | tjcarter | Firefox = Iceweasel |
| 20:55.58 | markybob | tjcarter, no |
| 20:56.38 | DammitJim | please allow me to take home th award for most stupid question |
| 20:56.53 | DammitJim | but what should I call a server pair that do load balancing? |
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| 20:56.59 | DammitJim | does a server name actually matter that much? |
| 20:57.13 | tjcarter | DammitJim: Bob and Dave |
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| 20:57.21 | markybob | DammitJim, doesn't matter at all |
| 20:57.25 | DammitJim | I started that route and I liked Jim better LOL |
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| 20:58.29 | DammitJim | does it matter if I call it something with 'lb' for me to know it is a load balancer? |
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| 21:01.54 | tjcarter | Y'all have to excuse me just a little ... I've had some pretty interesting medical stuff even by my standards in the past day or two, and they involve intermittent but seriously intense pains. There's of course stuff to be taken for that, but it tends to be an all or nothing affair. During the moments you actually need it, it does a really good job of taking the edge off. When the pain lets off though, |
| 21:01.56 | tjcarter | the medication does not, and one will start to get a little loopy. I _hope_ I'm not being to weird. Y'know, for me at least. :) |
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| 21:04.35 | mete | any simple alternatives to dnotify for debian 8? |
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| 21:07.37 | Sayona | is any tutorial for vnc server ? to connect at user how is log in to see the desktop? |
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| 21:10.21 | tjcarter | Sayona: I'm kinda a little more of a fan of xrdp for that because there's less to configure. |
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| 21:11.21 | Sayona | give me some: something goes wrong.. log out |
| 21:11.27 | Sayona | not see the desktop |
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| 21:14.42 | Sayona | tjcarter, http://s28.postimg.org/bosuygjxp/222.png |
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| 21:14.56 | jerardrubin | hi |
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| 21:19.53 | Sayona | no know anyone? I try to connect using xrdp on my debian and when I enter a user/pass give me this http://s28.postimg.org/bosuygjxp/222.png |
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| 21:21.32 | PryMar56 | Sayona, can you telnet to 3389? (if its a Win box) |
| 21:22.22 | Sayona | I connect using xrdp but don t see the desktop, menu etc.. |
| 21:22.41 | mtn | Sayona: that looks likea gnome desktop error |
| 21:23.32 | Sayona | :( |
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| 21:24.15 | notmentor | Sayona, That's a crash window; not directly related to RDP, I think |
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| 21:24.49 | Sayona | i press log out |
| 21:24.51 | Sayona | and give me this |
| 21:25.36 | Sayona | http://s10.postimg.org/8mnp109q1/2222.png |
| 21:26.26 | notmentor | Sayona, That's the default X background |
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| 21:26.49 | Sayona | yes :( |
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| 21:28.29 | Sayona | please help me |
| 21:28.45 | n0t | Sayona: VNC and xrdp tend to be a bit hard to work with with windows. They don't like to play nicely. I'd suggest X2go, it's a very simple setup and plays beautifully with Debian/Windows. |
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| 21:29.09 | notmentor | Sayona, The problem is not directly with DP |
| 21:29.10 | notmentor | RDP |
| 21:29.21 | Sayona | let me see |
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| 21:29.28 | Sayona | X2go |
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| 21:32.40 | n0t | Here is a guide I wrote for you: http://pastebin.com/j768w75h |
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| 21:33.41 | Sayona | huh notmentor give me the same error |
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| 21:34.01 | Sayona | how I install the gnome desktop ? |
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| 21:34.16 | notmentor | Sayona, task-gnome-desktop |
| 21:34.23 | Sayona | in terminal? |
| 21:34.37 | markybob | Sayona, yes, apt-get install that |
| 21:34.43 | notmentor | Sayona, No, that's the package/task you need to install |
| 21:34.44 | Sayona | task-gnome-desktop is already the newest version. |
| 21:34.56 | Sayona | bash: task-gnome-desktop: command not found |
| 21:35.40 | markybob | Sayona, if it's already the newest version then you can just load gdm3 and log in |
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| 21:36.59 | Sayona | i need to delete lightdm ? |
| 21:37.07 | Sayona | i have gdm3 and lightdm. |
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| 21:37.29 | markybob | Sayona, no. you can stop lightdm and start gdm3 |
| 21:37.51 | Sayona | dark background |
| 21:37.53 | greycat | Having fun supporting the Ubuntu users, markybob? |
| 21:38.08 | Sayona | ? |
| 21:38.14 | markybob | greycat, i didn't realize. haven't read the whole thing and just jumped in |
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| 21:41.05 | n0t | last chat i see mentioning OS from them was debian, not unreasonable that he was trying to help... |
| 21:41.29 | notmentor | greycat, In any case, he's being more supportive than you are |
| 21:41.57 | greycat | 15:40 Sayona> question : i want to access the desktop of ubuntu via some program from windows |
| 21:42.12 | Sayona | i type wrong! |
| 21:42.16 | Sayona | i use debian |
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| 21:53.49 | jhutchins | Sayona: You do understand that what might make something work in Debian could very well break things in Ubuntu? |
| 21:54.07 | Sayona | !? |
| 21:54.11 | Sayona | I DONT USE UBUNTU |
| 21:54.13 | Sayona | I USE DEBIAN |
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| 21:59.43 | bazhang | ,v gnome-shell |
| 21:59.44 | judd | Package: gnome-shell on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7+deb7u2; jessie: 3.14.4-1~deb8u1; stretch: 3.18.1-1; sid: 3.18.3-3 |
| 22:00.01 | bazhang | apt-get install gnome-shell Sayona |
| 22:01.03 | Sayona | bazhang, gnome-shell is already the newest version. |
| 22:01.27 | bazhang | Sayona, so logout, choose at login window, log back in |
| 22:01.55 | Sayona | the same, if i want to use x2go , vnc , xrdp... |
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| 22:02.08 | bazhang | no |
| 22:02.59 | Sayona | what? |
| 22:03.26 | bazhang | Sayona, did you logout, choose it , then log back in |
| 22:03.50 | Sayona | yes |
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| 22:04.20 | Sayona | uff time to go at sleep |
| 22:04.21 | Sayona | thanks |
| 22:04.24 | Sayona | see ya tomorrow |
| 22:04.29 | bazhang | thats gnome desktop Sayona , you can add extensions |
| 22:04.42 | Sayona | i use xface4 |
| 22:04.45 | Sayona | the same |
| 22:04.49 | bazhang | nope |
| 22:05.15 | markybob | Sayona, it's not the same. and gnome has a built-in vnc server. vinagre |
| 22:05.20 | bazhang | xfce4 is not the same as gnome-shell at all |
| 22:05.56 | markybob | Sayona, systemctl stop lightdm && systemclt start gdm |
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| 22:06.54 | bazhang | Sayona, if you chose gnome, then its NOT xfce4 |
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| 22:07.46 | Sayona | bash: systemclt: command not found |
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| 22:08.59 | markybob | Sayona, then you're not running debian stable |
| 22:09.23 | Sayona | :| |
| 22:09.29 | bazhang | markybob, systemctl not clt amirite |
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| 22:10.05 | Sayona | ufff |
| 22:10.16 | Sayona | SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:10.26 | markybob | oh i did have a typo |
| 22:10.36 | markybob | bazhang, nice catch |
| 22:10.56 | bazhang | heh |
| 22:11.11 | Sayona | what I need to do? |
| 22:11.15 | Sayona | to install other debian? |
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| 22:22.38 | ogolovanov | Hello! One newbie question about networking. I have defined static interface in /etc/network/interfaces. Is it possible to create dhcp server, so i could share my static internet connection with dhcp clients? |
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| 22:25.24 | markybob | ogolovanov, sure. https://wiki.debian.org/DHCP_Server |
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| 22:33.31 | TomTomTo1 | can't you do that in the dhcp server settings in your router, if it's in your home network? |
| 22:33.43 | notmentor | ogolovanov, If you set up NAT and your clients use you as a gateway, yes |
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| 22:34.44 | notmentor | ogolovanov, DHCP is not necessarily required |
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| 23:04.21 | karlpinc | markybob_: I belive Sayona is running ubuntu, based on some remarks above. |
| 23:04.38 | Sayona | nop |
| 23:04.41 | Sayona | debian |
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| 23:11.23 | liceoprova | ciao |
| 23:11.27 | liceoprova | 1LIST |
| 23:11.37 | liceoprova | !LIST |
| 23:11.38 | dpkg | liceoprova: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 23:21.18 | Ooze | hi |
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| 23:44.03 | kgjd | how do i Arp poison an isp for bandwidth? |
| 23:44.09 | kgjd | would I need some extra mac address spoofing or something? |
| 23:44.44 | nkuttler | abusing your isp sounds kinda off-topic here... try a security-related channel.. |
| 23:45.16 | kgjd | kinda |
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| 23:46.08 | kgjd | also that is a very negative term about what I am trying to do |
| 23:46.33 | kgjd | it almost perpetrates me with mal content |
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| 23:47.28 | kgjd | I am banned from #cisco and #networking |
| 23:47.40 | kgjd | I am a sys admin |
| 23:47.50 | nkuttler | i can see why.. |
| 23:47.50 | n0t | I mean, you're asking to steal...from a group of people who contribute their time to helping others |
| 23:47.58 | kgjd | steal |
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| 23:48.04 | kgjd | time |
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| 23:48.07 | n0t | Yeah those pipes aren't free |
| 23:48.21 | kgjd | yeah those pipes are a limited resource |
| 23:48.31 | kgjd | they run on electricity |
| 23:48.56 | kgjd | but I don't got time to educate |
| 23:49.04 | n0t | you're in the wrong place mr 'sysadmin' |
| 23:49.15 | kgjd | i am Using Debian |
| 23:49.30 | kgjd | tell me that again |
| 23:49.42 | kgjd | the commands I would initiate would be different on any other OS |
| 23:49.50 | kgjd | :/ |
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| 23:50.04 | jeezy | would they be different? |
| 23:50.05 | jeezy | probably similar on ubuntu |
| 23:50.20 | jelly | kgjd: ask the isp if their TOS allow it, first. |
| 23:50.46 | kgjd | are you all wannabe IT tech's in here? |
| 23:50.50 | jelly | if they don't, there's no place to ask that question on Freenode really. |
| 23:50.54 | kgjd | because none of you are even IT admins |
| 23:51.13 | kgjd | gotta go, thanks for nothing |
| 23:51.17 | kgjd | :/ |
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| 23:51.24 | jeezy | failed troll |
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| 23:51.29 | jeezy | thank you, jelly |
| 23:51.37 | jelly | moving on |
| 23:51.40 | jeezy | :) |
| 23:51.57 | jeezy | i did have a debian general use question |
| 23:52.24 | jeezy | i have a dell poweredge 1650 running netbsd, but you know it takes lots of time/maintenance and poking/picking |
| 23:52.34 | jeezy | i was wondering on this system if debian could be just as lean/mean? |
| 23:52.49 | jeezy | the specs are p3/1.13ghz,2gb ram and scsi3 |
| 23:53.04 | jeezy | if so; are there any extra steps needed? |
| 23:53.29 | dvs | jeezy: Yeah, unselect "Desktop Environment" when installing |
| 23:54.05 | jeezy | of course, i was just wondering if there was a leaner kernel that could be fetched with apt |
| 23:54.13 | jeezy | or should i roll my own, or use default |
| 23:54.28 | dvs | jeep: Roll your own if you want a leaner kernel |
| 23:54.29 | markybob | jeezy, use default |
| 23:54.32 | jelly | jeezy: that's rather old for linux, the toolchain builds software that hogs quite a bit of L2-L3 cache these days so a Tualatin P3 may not be as snappy as on netbsd |
| 23:54.45 | jeezy | ah, thank you |
| 23:55.18 | jelly | things will work. Don't expect miracles. |
| 23:55.32 | jeezy | would what be about the bare minimum you would recommend for use with debian? 64bit NETBURST xeon or something similar? |
| 23:56.05 | jelly | your P3 is faster than a Netburst P4 |
| 23:56.31 | jeezy | jelly: nice! i did not realize |
| 23:56.53 | jelly | but it really depends on what you're running. I have a single core 384MB VM running debian without issues |
| 23:57.48 | jeezy | nice |
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| 23:59.04 | jelly | a $200 2011-ish sandybridge laptop with a $50 ssd would run circles around a P3, tho |
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| 23:59.15 | jeezy | i have one here |
| 23:59.28 | jeezy | i5-2520M,16gb ram,2xSSD in raid1 |
| 23:59.30 | jeezy | running slackware |
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| 23:59.35 | jeezy | hp elitebook 8460p |
| 23:59.41 | Algebr`` | Does dpkg have some kind of public API? Like somethign that I can call in C++ and then use to generate a .deb pkg? |
| 23:59.42 | jelly | right |
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| 23:59.58 | jeezy | jelly: i just like messing with old hardware (hence the netbsd) |
