| 00:00.06 | linuxnoob_ | anyone with isoimage experience? |
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| 00:01.17 | karlpinc | wewlad: Yes. (Don't have much time.) |
| 00:01.35 | linuxnoob_ | need help including a compiled package |
| 00:01.38 | karlpinc | wewlad: You need to tell it you want more locales. |
| 00:02.16 | karlpinc | !tell wewlad about locales |
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| 00:02.43 | wewlad | well, I checked 2 locales |
| 00:02.44 | karlpinc | wewlad: I think you might need to give dpkg-reconfigure an argument for more of an "expert mode". |
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| 00:02.50 | wewlad | I don't know if I need more |
| 00:03.03 | themill | kline: a common pattern is to ifdown the interface; edit /e/n/i; ifup the interface |
| 00:03.12 | karlpinc | wewlad: You have ru_RU-UTF-8 installed? |
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| 00:03.29 | wewlad | yeah |
| 00:03.45 | wewlad | tries systemctl start postgresql afterwards |
| 00:03.52 | wewlad | now I see different stuff in the log |
| 00:04.20 | laidback_01 | ,pciid 8086:4238 |
| 00:04.21 | judd | [8086:4238] is 'Centrino Ultimate-N 6300' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4238 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 00:04.33 | wewlad | the log ends with [n/a]@[n/a] incomplete start package |
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| 00:04.45 | wewlad | I guess I need to reinstall postgresql |
| 00:04.56 | kline | themill, right? but it doesn't actually apply the changes, even in that order |
| 00:04.57 | wewlad | or not, who knows... |
| 00:05.06 | karlpinc | wewlad: Nah. |
| 00:05.13 | karlpinc | wewlad: This is /var/log/postgresql/postgresql-9.4-main.log? |
| 00:05.20 | wewlad | yeah |
| 00:05.47 | karlpinc | wewlad: Why don't you post some of that in a pastebin somewhere. |
| 00:05.59 | wewlad | karlpinc: the errors are in russian |
| 00:06.08 | karlpinc | wewlad: Also, you'll get help at #postgresql too if nobody here helps. |
| 00:06.11 | karlpinc | wewlad: Humm. |
| 00:06.31 | karlpinc | !tell wewlad about ru |
| 00:06.48 | wewlad | dpkg didn't tell |
| 00:07.07 | wewlad | oh |
| 00:07.11 | wewlad | :( |
| 00:07.11 | karlpinc | wewlad: It shows up in a private message. Wherever your irc client puts those. |
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| 00:07.22 | wewlad | I know, there was a ~15 sec lag |
| 00:07.27 | wewlad | which never happened before |
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| 00:10.38 | wewlad | that channel is dead, I guess I am doomed |
| 00:11.35 | roborob | can someone help me with isoimage? |
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| 00:12.12 | kline | roborob, i cant help, but generally its better to ask your question and let people answer that, than to ask for specific people |
| 00:12.48 | roborob | i wasn't aware that i had asked for anyone specific |
| 00:12.57 | roborob | this is my first time in irc |
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| 00:13.41 | kline | youre asking specifically for people with isoimage expertise. some people might be afraid its going to be a hard question and wont step up in case they cant answer. just word your question to give as much detail as concisely as possible and ask it directly |
| 00:13.49 | wewlad | yay, postgres seems to be up and running |
| 00:14.00 | roborob | oh. ok |
| 00:14.13 | kline | welcome to irc though :) |
| 00:14.58 | roborob | i need help including a package i compiled in an iso using isoimage |
| 00:16.12 | roborob | i just need to know which files to copy and where to put them |
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| 00:16.37 | kline | when it comes to editing /etc/networking/interfaces, how should i get debian to reload the changes without rebooting? ifdown & ifup didnt work, nor did systemctl restart networking.service |
| 00:16.38 | sharkman | any recommendations on a mp3 player that will be easy for me to use with my debian? |
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| 00:17.12 | themill | kline: it would if /e/n/i is actually being used for the configuration |
| 00:17.45 | kline | themill, im quite confident that is is used for config, as it's got a very strange and specific set up, but im happy to be told where else to look :) |
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| 00:19.58 | kline | themill, here's the config and the output from ifconfig: http://paste.debian.net/369778/ and http://paste.debian.net/369779/ |
| 00:20.06 | kline | note the mismatched netmasks for eth1 |
| 00:20.30 | kline | (some joker thought that 10.0.0.0/8 being reserved means "you need to use it as a /8" :/) |
| 00:21.19 | roborob | @kline i am new to linux but "service networking restart" works for me |
| 00:21.42 | sharkman | friends any recommendation on a portable mp3 player that will be easy for me to use with debian? i know using ipods are hard to interface (for me anyway) |
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| 00:21.56 | kline | roborob, thanks, tried, but no dice, netmask is still /8 |
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| 00:22.49 | kline | sharkman, in all honestly, if you have an android thats pretty much as easy as it gets. otherwise, try and find one that works like the mid-2000s that is essentially a USB flash drive |
| 00:22.58 | kline | im sure other people have better suggestions though |
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| 00:24.14 | sharkman | okay thanks |
| 00:25.28 | roborob | @kline i missed what your original goal is (why do you need to reset) |
| 00:26.18 | kline | roborob, migration machines from 10.0.0.0/8 to 10.0.0.0/16 |
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| 00:27.15 | kline | roborob, if you compare the two pastes above, you can see a mismatched netmask |
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| 00:27.45 | roborob | yeah.. was just looking at that... |
| 00:28.01 | kline | ignore the very strange eth0 config, that one's a really doozy |
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| 00:30.07 | roborob | your netmask looks correct |
| 00:30.35 | roborob | im not sure about your broadcast tho... but im not an IP guru |
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| 00:31.05 | kline | it does not, line 17 of the config specifies 255.255.0.0 and line 12 of the ifconfig log shows it as 255.0.0.0 |
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| 00:31.34 | kline | youre right that the broadcast address needs tweaked though |
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| 00:31.57 | roborob | yeah... thats because the new config hasnt taken yet |
| 00:32.06 | roborob | (hence the reset i kno) |
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| 00:32.30 | roborob | it may not be resetting because the config isnt correct |
| 00:32.44 | dimitry7 | Hey guys, my logs aren't working, nothing's been logged in /var/log/messages |
| 00:32.51 | dimitry7 | well, other logs work fine |
| 00:32.58 | kline | roborob, adjusted the broadcast and still wont take |
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| 00:33.29 | dimitry7 | config in /etc/rsyslog.conf looks good |
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| 00:33.56 | dimitry7 | also /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog |
| 00:34.21 | beepie | dimitry7, did you try systemctl ? :)))) |
| 00:34.30 | beepie | dimitry7, or better journalctl ? :)))) |
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| 00:35.28 | dimitry7 | beepie, which command? |
| 00:35.57 | dimitry7 | both of those send an output, let me pastebin |
| 00:36.04 | beepie | dimitry7, sry that would be journalctl -- the systemctl is also related for listing services ... |
| 00:36.10 | beepie | dimitry7, it's systemd things |
| 00:36.37 | beepie | dimitry7, gives you an idea what to use, there's plenty of circulating documentation about systemd's logging facilities |
| 00:36.37 | dimitry7 | beepie, yeah, see: http://paste.debian.net/369802/ |
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| 00:40.09 | beepie | gtg l8tr alligator |
| 00:40.43 | dimitry7 | what? |
| 00:40.48 | roborob | line you still here? |
| 00:40.55 | kline | mhmm |
| 00:41.22 | dimitry7 | bee |
| 00:41.35 | roborob | what if you make it dynamic then static again |
| 00:41.48 | roborob | ifconfig eth1 down |
| 00:41.58 | roborob | ifconfig eith1 dynamic up |
| 00:42.01 | roborob | (i think) |
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| 00:42.44 | kline | no joy |
| 00:44.06 | roborob | no dhcp on the /16 subnet im guessing |
| 00:44.12 | kline | correct |
| 00:44.45 | roborob | any chance you could put one up for testing? |
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| 00:44.54 | kline | no chance at all, sorry |
| 00:46.36 | cpm_ | Hi everybody, is there anybody who can confirm that jessie is going to update 4 right now? |
| 00:47.06 | markybob | cpm_, update 3 was just released a couple of days ago... |
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| 00:48.03 | cpm_ | markelite, you are so right : [23 Jan 2016] Updated Debian 8: 8.3 released |
| 00:48.21 | cpm_ | markybob, you are so right [23 Jan 2016] Updated Debian 8: 8.3 released |
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| 00:48.53 | roborob | @kline do you get any error message when you try ifdown or ifup? |
| 00:49.22 | kline | not on the terminal, and journalctl doesnt list anything out of the ordinary |
| 00:52.01 | cpm_ | I change my question ^^ |
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| 00:53.15 | cpm_ | why the Debian 8.3 released is using packet named foo-1.1.1+deb8u4 ?!!! |
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| 00:54.25 | roborob | @kline is your /16 for class a or b subnetting? |
| 00:54.33 | kline | classless |
| 00:54.38 | cpm_ | example 2.4.10-10+deb8u4 (https://packages.debian.org/jessie/apache2) |
| 00:55.24 | cpm_ | is the "4" in "+deb8u4" linked with the Debian release number? |
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| 00:57.48 | cpm_ | That seems be a bad way. Is there a webpage to explain "+deb8u4" ? |
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| 00:58.23 | abrotman | cpm_: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields#s-f-Version |
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| 00:58.46 | themill | cpm_: it's the 4th update for the package aimed at Debian 8. Package updates are not coupled to point releases at all. |
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| 01:00.12 | themill | (the winner appears to be wordpress with 7 security updates so far) |
| 01:00.21 | abrotman | is that all? |
| 01:00.27 | kline | roborob, looks like ifdown eth1, ip addr flush dev eth1, ifup eth1 does it |
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| 01:00.49 | themill | abrotman: that's the number of uploads, not the number of CVEs |
| 01:01.02 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:01.24 | roborob | cool.. i was trying to think of a way to flush the interface... the switch to dynamic and back was a windows hack for that |
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| 01:02.04 | roborob | im going to write that one down... cool one kline |
| 01:02.46 | kline | roborob, turns out someone in ##networking had a similar issue |
| 01:03.19 | roborob | cool.. too bad there is no ##isoimage.. lol |
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| 01:04.01 | cpm_ | abrotman, thank you, I will go read this page right now \o/ |
| 01:04.20 | abrotman | cpm_: themill gave you the short answer, but good to have a reference |
| 01:04.27 | sysyadmin | Let's say I got 4 external HDDs, I don't need to access them all the time - but sometimes I may want to access some top level folder - with what way I can easily know what HDD to plug in for what top level folder? |
| 01:04.28 | cpm_ | themill, many thanks for your confirm :D |
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| 01:05.19 | cpm_ | abrotman, yes, these two responses are the best I wish \o/ |
| 01:05.25 | holiday | How do you fix font rendering in firefox without installing anything? The text looks blocky and thin. |
| 01:06.10 | roborob | which files do i copy (and where to) when remastering an iso with isoimage? |
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| 01:18.24 | kline | roborob, best of luck with the iso issue |
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| 01:35.03 | TinkerTiger | How does a repository go invalid? :) |
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| 01:37.08 | nkuttler | TinkerTiger: is that an error you get, or do you mean in general |
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| 01:38.21 | TinkerTiger | I dechromed a chromebook and went to apt-get update and it said that a repository was 1500d invalid. |
| 01:38.47 | TinkerTiger | Running Debian 8. |
| 01:39.30 | nkuttler | what's the actual error? |
| 01:39.54 | TinkerTiger | I'll need to run itt again. |
| 01:39.59 | Phlunk3 | what does your chromebooks date say? ;) |
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| 01:41.16 | TinkerTiger | Hit http://security.debian.org jessie/updates InRelease |
| 01:41.19 | TinkerTiger | E: Release file for http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie/updates/InRelease is expired (invalid since 1560d 1h 49min 47s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 01:41.46 | nkuttler | yeah, check your date |
| 01:42.10 | TinkerTiger | Oh! Hehe. Let's see. |
| 01:42.57 | TinkerTiger | Wow! Time travelling chromebook! |
| 01:43.01 | TinkerTiger | May 14, 2020. |
| 01:44.05 | abrotman | interesting |
| 01:44.20 | TinkerTiger | Yeah |
| 01:44.31 | TinkerTiger | Thanks. |
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| 01:57.00 | TinkerTiger | This computer has more of a life than I do. |
| 01:57.12 | roborob | ditto |
| 01:57.51 | roborob | after compiling a custom package, where should i install it to? |
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| 02:05.11 | roborob | after compiling a custom package, where should i install it to? |
| 02:05.31 | nkuttler | roborob: what do you mean, dpkg -i it? |
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| 02:06.39 | roborob | to be honest, i am not sure. i wrote some code, compiled it and would like to know the "usual" place for it to reside |
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| 02:06.50 | roborob | like on windows it is the c:\program files folder |
| 02:07.12 | nkuttler | roborob: for custom stuff /usr/local/, or ~/local |
| 02:07.18 | roborob | when i look at a linux file structure, there are binaries everywhere |
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| 02:07.38 | roborob | thanks |
| 02:07.53 | nkuttler | !tell roborob about fhs |
| 02:08.16 | abrotman | dpkg: tell roborob about nmg |
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| 02:38.54 | pantato | http://pastebin.com/4xL1pWtj <--- how do i get rid of this stuff? |
| 02:39.39 | abrotman | pantato: probably ask #ubuntu |
| 02:40.04 | pantato | they're ignoring me |
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| 02:42.08 | pantato | the 404s don't get removed even when i delete the sources.list entirely... |
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| 02:43.48 | markybob | pantato, we wouldn't know since we do use ubuntu. do what abrotman said and be patient. |
| 02:43.50 | abrotman | pantato: ask #ubuntum, it's not supported here |
| 02:44.01 | abrotman | #ubuntu even |
| 02:44.32 | markybob | don't* :P |
| 02:44.41 | dvs | do! |
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| 02:52.06 | Remind | Hey guys. New Debian 8 use here (new linux user in general). Just trying to get my graphics card installed but I seem to be running into walls. Would anyone be able to assist me? I have a NVIDIA GTX 950M, using Debian 8 - Cinnamon |
| 02:53.00 | Remind | Right now I can't find any sign of my NVIDIA card |
| 02:54.21 | ScRaMbLe | did you try google? google is your friend |
| 02:54.56 | Remind | I have. EVerything I've done is from google. I don't know enough commands or half of what all of you do so I need the assitance from Google, haha. |
| 02:55.30 | Remind | The last thing I did was install Bumblebee. I'm just hoping someone here may have the patience/willingness to help me along. |
| 02:55.38 | ScRaMbLe | https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/10/10/us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/352.21/README/supportedchips.html |
| 02:56.11 | Remind | GeForce GTX 950M 139A E |
| 02:56.14 | Remind | It's there! |
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| 02:56.53 | ScRaMbLe | Version 352.21 |
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| 02:57.35 | ScRaMbLe | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 03:01.15 | nevyn | ScRaMbLe: google is not your friend |
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| 03:01.37 | nevyn | as it will probably have you using !nvidiaistaller |
| 03:01.42 | nevyn | !nvidia |
| 03:01.42 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:02.19 | ScRaMbLe | nevyn same link |
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| 03:02.27 | ScRaMbLe | but yeah |
| 03:02.45 | ScRaMbLe | it's nice to chat but people should stress google before asking here |
| 03:02.47 | abrotman | That's how things go wrong .. |
| 03:03.15 | ScRaMbLe | is it? |
| 03:03.23 | Remind | http://pastebin.com/bXuhY0nn |
| 03:04.05 | Remind | I even verified that 352.21 contains GTX 950M |
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| 03:07.43 | ScRaMbLe | Remind read dpkg message |
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| 03:26.22 | nezZario | Hey guys.. |
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| 03:26.53 | nezZario | Does anyone have any experience with USB Microscopes (cheaper ones in the $50-$100 range)? |
| 03:27.22 | nezZario | Looks like they just present themselves as a standard media device. But some say stuff like "provides software for accurate measuring.. other features.. yadda yadda" |
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| 03:28.02 | Remind | Okay. So I ran the .run file from NVIDIA for my card (it was the correct one). After it was done, I restarted. Now after I log in, I get an error saying that cinnamon crashed |
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| 03:32.19 | abrotman | Remind: we told you not to do that |
| 03:32.43 | Remind | Not to do what? |
| 03:33.01 | markybob | <abrotman> That's how things go wrong .. |
| 03:33.28 | Remind | I don't recall anyone telling me not to do anything. In fact my first answer was to google it |
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| 03:34.07 | zykotick9 | dpkg: tell Remind about why nvidia installer sucks |
| 03:34.10 | abrotman | not from someone who had a clue .. |
| 03:34.48 | Remind | I guess I didn't see any of that |
| 03:35.33 | Remind | Well, sorry. I'm just trying to learn and make it through an issue. I've been at this all day. This was my third re-install. It's not like I just came here asking for help off the bat. I'm a new linux user trying to do my own research but three things now have lead me to a dead end |
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| 03:37.18 | sysyadmin | hi |
| 03:37.28 | sysyadmin | so this is also a linux/debian related question, so I ask it here |
| 03:37.50 | sysyadmin | I got php-fpm running, I added the www-data user under which php-fpm daemon runs also to group "app" |
| 03:37.51 | Remind | Is there anyone around that's will to help me by chance? Would really love to get this working |
| 03:37.55 | Remind | willing* |
| 03:37.56 | sysyadmin | the whole folder is owned by group "app" |
| 03:38.03 | sysyadmin | but still php-fpm cannot read anything |
| 03:38.04 | sysyadmin | :( |
| 03:38.09 | sysyadmin | it also cannot write anything |
| 03:38.19 | sysyadmin | htop confirms that php-fpm daemons run under www-data :O |
| 03:38.25 | sysyadmin | Remind: how can I help you? I just joined |
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| 03:39.49 | Remind | Just installed Debian 8, fresh install. I can't seem to see any trace of my NVIDIA card (GTX 950M). I found the driver for it, from NVIDIA. I CHMOD'd it and ran it. Restarted, now Cinnamon crashes and lets me know it's in FallBack mode. All I have is a black screen though, but I can CTRL+ALT+F1 |
| 03:40.33 | markybob | i'd probably try: |
| 03:40.36 | markybob | !remove nvidia |
| 03:40.36 | dpkg | methinks remove nvidia-installer is as root type "/usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall". Debian's nvidia-installer-cleanup package can also assist, ask me about <contrib>. |
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| 03:43.27 | Remind | Hey, markybob, that worked. I can login now. Thank you so much for that |
| 03:43.46 | markybob | Remind, great. you're welcome |
| 03:43.48 | Remind | I got an error from the Uninstaller letting me know it couldn't restore my original Xorg file, should I be concerned? |
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| 03:44.10 | markybob | Remind, nope |
| 03:44.16 | Remind | Okay great :) |
| 03:44.33 | Remind | So now that I'm back on a fresh plate - Is it a lost hope trying to get my card to work with Debian? |
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| 03:44.48 | sysyadmin | nvidia proprietary drivers? |
| 03:44.54 | Remind | I'm a new user, straight from windows, so this is all pretty daunting |
| 03:45.03 | asipper | what card do you have |
| 03:45.10 | Remind | GTX 950M |
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| 03:46.29 | asipper | if you don't mind accidently breaking some stuff you could try to install the drivers in the experimental repo |
| 03:46.37 | markybob | haha |
| 03:46.41 | markybob | Remind, don't do that |
| 03:46.48 | Remind | Lol |
| 03:46.52 | asipper | :( |
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| 03:47.18 | Remind | I just want to be able to play on Steam and use my graphics card :P |
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| 03:48.40 | Hello71 | nouveau supports that card. just not acceleration. |
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| 03:48.53 | Hello71 | *2D |
| 03:49.15 | Remind | If this is any help, this is what I get from lspci: http://termbin.com/qtw2 |
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| 03:49.42 | markybob | Remind, do you have both xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
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| 03:49.56 | Remind | I'll try to install them and see what it says markybob |
| 03:50.02 | Hello71 | you have one of them "hybrid"s |
| 03:50.15 | Hello71 | apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 03:51.06 | Remind | Markybob, Hello71: It says I have the latest version for all 3 of those |
| 03:51.08 | Hello71 | then read https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
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| 03:51.15 | Hello71 | did you install xorg |
| 03:51.28 | markybob | yeah he's logged in |
| 03:51.31 | Hello71 | oh. |
| 03:51.44 | markybob | he just wants it support fast or something for games |
| 03:51.45 | Hello71 | [02:53:01] < Remind> Right now I can't find any sign of my NVIDIA card |
| 03:51.48 | Hello71 | what does that mean |
| 03:51.58 | markybob | Hello71, that got fixed |
| 03:52.11 | Remind | Hello71: Well, when I go to system info, no video card, just my integrated |
| 03:52.28 | Hello71 | "system info" isn't a program. run glxinfo |
| 03:53.12 | Remind | Hello71: http://termbin.com/i504 |
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| 03:54.40 | Hello71 | optirun glxinfo? |
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| 03:56.37 | Remind | Hello71: pastebin.com/9M1DHQXV |
| 03:56.48 | Remind | http://pastebin.com/9M1DHQXV ** |
| 03:57.35 | Hello71 | read the wiki page. |
| 03:58.15 | Remind | I did, that's what led me to my issue in the first place. From here, right? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 03:58.22 | Hello71 | no, on bumblebee |
| 03:58.57 | Remind | Huh? |
| 03:59.00 | nevyn | Remind: bumblebee |
| 03:59.01 | Remind | I'm not familiar with that |
| 03:59.12 | Remind | And thank you, btw |
| 03:59.32 | nevyn | Remind: so if you have one of the combined intel && nvidia laptops you need bumblebee |
| 03:59.50 | markybob | Remind, http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee is what they're talking about |
| 03:59.56 | Remind | Okay |
| 04:00.00 | Remind | Thank you guys, very much |
| 04:00.00 | markybob | Remind, i've never used it, so, *shrug* |
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| 04:00.06 | Remind | I'll do some homework |
| 04:00.12 | Remind | Thanks again everyone |
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| 04:05.16 | jaggzt | is there an cpu overclocking document for debian? |
| 04:05.35 | jaggzt | this one in linux shows the use of "turbostat" which doesn't seem to exist in debian packages: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OverclockingCpu |
| 04:05.49 | aedinius | Damn it. It's doing it again: Bus error. wpa_supplicant failed to start. |
| 04:05.54 | aedinius | No idea why. |
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| 04:06.54 | jaggzt | there we go: https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling |
| 04:07.36 | aedinius | Nothing is getting logged. |
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| 04:21.16 | XeonSquared | So when running apt-get -y install nis it still asks questions, can I avoid that? |
| 04:21.41 | themill | That depends what is actually asking the questions |
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| 04:23.44 | XeonSquared | Lemme take a screenshot |
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| 04:24.53 | XeonSquared | http://i.imgur.com/6BRi2cO.png |
| 04:25.33 | themill | !debconf-set-selections |
| 04:25.33 | dpkg | it has been said that debconf-set-selections is a way of answering configuration questions prior to installing the package (e.g. specifying a mysql password or accepting the Sun Java licence in advance). Install the package in your test environment and run "debconf-get-selections" (debconf-utils package) to get the appropriate key names. |
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| 04:43.54 | awal1 | Guys , I know how to list all packages installe in my system but how to list only those installed automatically (almost recommends) by other packs I installed by my self then check if i really need them or not? |
| 04:44.25 | themill | !aptitude-fu |
| 04:44.25 | dpkg | To list uninstalled recommended packages: aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; See also <obsolete> <not available> <bdo list> <dmm list> <which repo> <aptitude clone> <sort by size> <aptitude why> <aptitude search> <aptitude ops> <aptitude states> |
| 04:44.53 | themill | automatically installed packages and recommended packages are not the same, however |
| 04:45.13 | XeonSquared | themill, thanks, the debconf stuff worked :D |
| 04:46.00 | xor1 | So my laptop just failed to boot. I booted into rescue from thumb. No matter what I tried, it wont boot. I then tried "force grub install... to removable media path" (whatever that means). I rebooted and them BAM! worked like a charm. What did I do? |
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| 04:47.51 | awal1 | themill: automatically I guess it should mean deps (?) I meant recommends, almost |
| 04:48.06 | themill | XeonSquared: no worries |
| 04:48.49 | awal1 | aptitude search '~RBrecommends: ~!~i' should be what I'm looking. thanks |
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| 04:52.09 | awal1 | aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i!~i' is nice command but not easy to remember :) |
| 04:52.43 | awal1 | I use "dpkg-query -l | less" for list all packs installed |
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| 04:53.07 | awal1 | any clue what I can add to that command for make dpkg list only the recommends? |
| 04:53.42 | themill | awal1: dpkg has no knowledge of those sorts of relationships; that's apt's job |
| 04:54.11 | themill | you might like to look at deborphan or debfoster but be careful with them |
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| 04:58.48 | awal1 | themill: ok, thanks for the clarification. |
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| 05:14.24 | J4N4 | Hello Debian users |
| 05:14.52 | beepie | hi |
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| 05:15.10 | J4N4 | Is there anyone using grsecurity ? |
| 05:15.29 | beepie | some of the router distros are |
| 05:15.33 | beepie | by default.. |
| 05:15.37 | sysyadmin | rsync is unreal fast :D |
| 05:15.54 | beepie | grsec/pax cause problems with user applications for desktop, but i've seen it used elsewhere like on vps servers |
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| 05:16.06 | beepie | alpinelinux i think probably uses it |
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| 05:16.33 | awal1 | aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i!~i' is confusing. No one of the listed packs is installed in my machine http://paste.debian.net/370141 Same apt/aptitude purge output for all the packs listed by that aptitude command :D |
| 05:16.40 | J4N4 | Thank you BEE PIE |
| 05:16.42 | J4N4 | :) |
| 05:17.20 | themill | awal1: sure, as dpkg said, that lists uninstalled recommended packages |
| 05:17.57 | beepie | the vps kernel i use with my provider has grsec patching i think, though it is not bundled in the debian package repositories, everything else is debian -- though i don't use any workstation applications, .. i suppose these patches are fine but not without testing |
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| 05:19.01 | awal1 | themill: oh, my excuses. OMG, bad english here; I understood "installed recommended packages". Sorry! |
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| 05:20.01 | awal1 | my bad....So all is fine here :) thanks for your time themill (Y) |
| 05:22.58 | J4N4 | If i use this on my laptop how adaptable it? I am finding way to hardening my debian 8 ? |
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| 05:41.31 | awal1 | I don't to be borring you guys but aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i!~i' list the UNINSTALLED recommended packs. How to list only the INSTALLED recommended packs? |
| 05:41.45 | awal1 | I dont want to be ^ |
| 05:42.26 | awal1 | seems that there is no trace of such command googling :( |
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| 05:53.23 | hrob | hi |
| 05:53.57 | hrob | I'm trying to grant write access to /dev/uinput in a correct way |
| 05:54.20 | hrob | I've read about people editing udev config files |
| 05:54.43 | hrob | however, I imagine there is already a group that grants access to /dev/uinput |
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| 05:55.02 | hrob | would it not be enought to add my user to some default group? |
| 05:55.12 | hrob | maybe the root group? only kidding |
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| 05:59.39 | hrob | in old times used to set SUID and give executable to root --- not so nice right? |
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| 06:07.30 | aZz7eCh | can i terminal command line restarting my audio drivers? (yes... still have my audio dropping out randomly all the time :( ) |
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| 06:12.35 | hrob | aZz7eCh: well the init.d services should be there to restart |
| 06:12.50 | beepie | aZz7eCh, look into modinfo and see if there's a module option for your audio hardware -- you'd have look into it (this is a common issue with laptop audio) |
| 06:13.22 | aZz7eCh | i have been for WEEEEEEEks.. :( |
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| 06:15.55 | hrob | aZz7eCh: sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart or... sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
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| 06:16.25 | hrob | aZz7eCh: I think alsa one at least reloads audio driver |
| 06:17.07 | aZz7eCh | i'm able to reset alsa-utils (no errors anyway) ... but doesn't make any diff to flat out no audio system wide |
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| 06:17.43 | aZz7eCh | no rhyme or reason to it ... i can still locate all my sound settings, controls etc... nothing seem to have vanished, nor giving me any errors |
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| 06:18.01 | hrob | aZz7eCh: lspci and identify your audio card chipset |
| 06:18.05 | aZz7eCh | short of powering the system off, and back on .... (really killing my best debian loving efforts ) |
| 06:18.33 | hrob | aZz7eCh: say $ lspci | grep Audio |
| 06:18.39 | aZz7eCh | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05) |
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| 06:24.04 | hrob | aZz7eCh: not many reported issues with that one |
| 06:24.13 | hrob | aZz7eCh: and chipset been around for a while too |
| 06:24.46 | hrob | aZz7eCh: on your desktop you should have sound settings dialog somewhere it allows you to switch betwee audio autputs |
| 06:24.56 | aZz7eCh | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.58 | hrob | aZz7eCh: is it possible that it is switching to HDMI out or something?* |
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| 06:25.30 | aZz7eCh | i dont know what would be switching it - but if i go to my audio/sound settings in gnome ... its all still set normal how it should be. |
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| 06:26.45 | hrob | aZz7eCh: do you have pulseaudio installed? |
| 06:27.07 | aZz7eCh | i dont think so |
| 06:27.10 | aZz7eCh | alsa seems to be |
| 06:27.20 | aZz7eCh | alsa-utils anyway |
| 06:28.03 | aZz7eCh | according to synaptic it is |
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| 06:29.49 | hrob | aZz7eCh: I think maybe debian 8 has pulseaudio ontop of alsa by default |
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| 06:31.44 | hrob | aZz7eCh: you can execute pulseaudio to check if it is running |
| 06:31.57 | aZz7eCh | i have been. |
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| 06:32.04 | aZz7eCh | daemon already running. |
| 06:32.44 | hrob | aZz7eCh: hmm... maybe can try and see if stopping pulseaudio makes difference, sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop |
| 06:32.51 | hrob | aZz7eCh: or sudo killall pulseaudio |
| 06:33.13 | aZz7eCh | tried |
| 06:33.14 | aZz7eCh | already |
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| 06:33.28 | hrob | aZz7eCh: ok no difference. |
| 06:33.36 | jelly | hrob: more precisely, _gnome_ has pulseaudio started by default (in the user session, I think) |
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| 06:34.07 | aZz7eCh | if i do sudo kill all pulseaudio - nothing, so presume that works. |
| 06:34.14 | aZz7eCh | so then do pulseaudio --start |
| 06:34.24 | aZz7eCh | again no verbose |
| 06:34.29 | aZz7eCh | and still, no volume. |
| 06:34.40 | aZz7eCh | no "audio" ... volume control is working fine. |
| 06:34.44 | beepie | hrob, pulseaudio doesn't work with audio hardware |
| 06:34.45 | hrob | aZz7eCh: no volume with or without pulseaudio |
| 06:34.56 | beepie | hrob, it uses alsa as a sink |
| 06:35.16 | aZz7eCh | okay its killed. no audio. |
| 06:35.21 | aZz7eCh | started again, no audio. |
| 06:35.23 | hrob | beepie: right... but I wonder sometimes if pulseaudio messes with the alsa output |
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| 06:35.40 | hrob | beepie: aZz7eCh most likely has more than one audio device |
| 06:35.47 | beepie | gtg |
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| 06:36.06 | aZz7eCh | HDMI on my Nvidia is the only other audio device |
| 06:36.17 | aZz7eCh | it is not an option as an output device in any settings i have found. |
| 06:36.36 | aZz7eCh | 01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GK104 HDMI Audio Controller (rev a1) |
| 06:36.54 | hrob | aZz7eCh: right, unless its plugged in, so yeah maybe this is a driver problem in the end. |
| 06:37.14 | hrob | aZz7eCh: just would expect more comments on your chipset with debian |
| 06:37.47 | aZz7eCh | if i type pulseaudio with no commands |
| 06:37.56 | aZz7eCh | i get pid.c: daemon already running |
| 06:38.07 | aZz7eCh | and then main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. |
| 06:38.26 | hrob | aZz7eCh: right, so its running and default for your debian 8 I guess |
| 06:38.28 | aZz7eCh | this is the only anything thats spat any error so far |
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| 06:39.28 | aZz7eCh | someone previously |
| 06:39.35 | aZz7eCh | told me to take an alsa snapshot WHILE it was working |
| 06:39.39 | aZz7eCh | and then another one once it has stopped |
| 06:39.46 | aZz7eCh | this i did at the time ... let me find the links |
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| 06:40.15 | aZz7eCh | This was the first one (while sound was working after fresh boot) http://pastebin.com/qtq7Df9n |
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| 06:40.36 | aZz7eCh | This was a snapshot After it stopped: http://pastebin.com/7MxYMfmz |
| 06:41.01 | aZz7eCh | it is such a wall of text ... and i just have NO idea what i'm looking for in them |
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| 06:41.52 | aZz7eCh | omg lol ... now i've lost all audio output devices in my gnome sound settings |
| 06:41.58 | aZz7eCh | fml |
| 06:42.18 | aZz7eCh | Dummy Output is now all its showing. |
| 06:42.37 | hrob | aZz7eCh: yeah maybe need relog in |
| 06:42.52 | hrob | aZz7eCh: because killed pulseaudio |
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| 06:43.02 | aZz7eCh | if i log back in, the audio will be working |
| 06:43.04 | awal1 | aZz7eCh: you are killing pulse and start it as user, right? no root |
| 06:43.06 | aZz7eCh | and yet again this will be unsolved |
| 06:43.46 | aZz7eCh | i cant do it without being root or using sudo |
| 06:43.54 | aZz7eCh | it simply says no such thing as pulseaudio otherwise |
| 06:44.09 | awal1 | you should be able to kill and start it as user |
| 06:44.32 | hrob | aZz7eCh: no such thing... is it under /bin or /sbin/pulseaudio ? |
| 06:44.35 | awal1 | killall -9 pulseaudio then pulseaudio --start |
| 06:44.36 | aZz7eCh | user@Sandisk:~$ pusleaudio --start |
| 06:44.36 | aZz7eCh | bash: pusleaudio: command not found |
| 06:45.13 | aZz7eCh | ... somehow that worked awal1 |
| 06:45.21 | aZz7eCh | the devices are back - but, still no audio. |
| 06:45.40 | hrob | aZz7eCh: must be an alias |
| 06:45.53 | aZz7eCh | okay |
| 06:45.55 | aZz7eCh | so get this part |
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| 06:46.15 | aZz7eCh | gnome has no sound ... no application has any sound. volume controls are there and slide fine. |
| 06:46.16 | cafuego | Not an alias, it specifically says "command not found" |
| 06:46.18 | aZz7eCh | if i go into my sound settings |
| 06:46.28 | aZz7eCh | and click TEST SPEAKERS |
| 06:46.29 | aZz7eCh | guess what |
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| 06:46.56 | awal1 | aZz7eCh, pulseaudio not pusleaudio :D |
| 06:47.34 | aZz7eCh | ahh lol |
| 06:47.38 | aZz7eCh | typed that many times i didn't even notice |
| 06:47.45 | aZz7eCh | but yes so explain that |
| 06:47.56 | hrob | aZz7eCh: what does this give? $ lsmod | grep ^snd_hda_intel |
| 06:47.56 | aZz7eCh | test speakers in my sound settings in gnome - sound comes out the left and the right when clicked. |
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| 06:48.06 | aZz7eCh | yet gnome has no audio and no application does either |
| 06:48.11 | hrob | aZz7eCh: I wonder if you have two snd_hda_intel drivers running |
| 06:48.25 | awal1 | aZz7eCh, pulseaudio version there? |
| 06:48.33 | aZz7eCh | snd_hda_intel 26327 6 |
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| 06:49.10 | aZz7eCh | 5.0 |
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| 06:49.52 | awal1 | aZz7eCh, it's not a bad idea installing pavucontrol for manage pulse before "conclusions". |
| 06:49.52 | hrob | aZz7eCh: in your alsa dump -- it says snd_hda_intel twice: http://pastebin.com/qtq7Df9n |
| 06:50.08 | grandmonkey_ | how to untrust a CA |
| 06:50.46 | awal1 | aZz7eCh, install pavucontrol then check settings, you may have turned off "something" |
| 06:51.25 | hrob | aZz7eCh: super old post, but someone with problem selecting audio device with this driver: http://aptosid.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=2862 |
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| 06:52.47 | hrob | aZz7eCh: awal1 : yes pavucontrol is powerful -- reveals more pulseaudio options than exposed by gnome |
| 06:52.49 | grandmonkey_ | in iceweasel |
| 06:53.03 | awal1 | hrob, right |
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| 06:53.20 | awal1 | qasmixer does a good job too |
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| 06:54.32 | grandmonkey_ | does pavucontrol do live streaming..like say from somafm? |
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| 06:56.43 | awal1 | aZz7eCh, also check if pasuspender can do something |
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| 06:57.10 | rmx77-1 | hello all |
| 06:57.17 | rmx77-1 | whats goin down |
| 06:57.22 | rmx77-1 | anyone anround |
| 06:57.33 | grandmonkey_ | morale |
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| 06:58.14 | rmx77-1 | hmmm |
| 06:59.05 | rmx77-1 | well i am having a world of a time getting any flash to work at all |
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| 07:01.28 | aZz7eCh | sorry was on phone, scrolling back / catching up |
| 07:01.32 | fewan | is there some boot script I can use to put an unionfs on /etc? |
| 07:02.28 | aZz7eCh | pavc installed |
| 07:02.48 | vvande | rmx77-1: make sure nonfree is in your sources and then # apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree. I just did that on a fresh system a few minutes ago and all is fine now. |
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| 07:04.02 | rmx77-1 | well i have tried different browsers and even gnash and gnash either was slow or wouldnt load i even tried to use pepperflash with chromium and all i got out of chromium was couldn't load plug-in |
| 07:04.59 | aZz7eCh | awal1: i dont ever turn off 'anything'. i dont go changing settings 37 times a day so that my audio stops and i have to reboot my pc. |
| 07:06.00 | aZz7eCh | awal1: with pavcontrol installed ... it is saying HDMI ... ? as the only output devices ???? |
| 07:06.05 | rmx77-1 | on epiphany i get a a dual screen with a play button on one screen and a normal window below the first video window and when i play the video if it does play it will dual play and not have a way to pause or remove the play button |
| 07:06.38 | aZz7eCh | awal1: there is no option to choose internal speakers or intel chipset |
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| 07:06.54 | aZz7eCh | again... none of these were changed by me anyway ... if i reboot, audio will be back. |
| 07:07.24 | aZz7eCh | so ...w hy the hell is it that i can go to sound settings and test speakers and sound comes out |
| 07:07.29 | aZz7eCh | ........d riving me bat shit crazy |
| 07:07.51 | rmx77-1 | on iceweasel i tried flash and all i get is very very very slow unresponsive video and also on midori i tried gnash and i get nothing at all for responce of the videos and on everything except chromium i get the issue where sites that use flash tell me i dont have flash installed |
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| 07:08.25 | rmx77-1 | i have the latest raspbian/debian installed on my pi |
| 07:09.12 | jelly | rmx77-1: is it raspbian or debian? there are significant differences |
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| 07:09.58 | awal1 | aZz7eCh, in pavucontrol ---» output device choose speakers as your port and you should have sound |
| 07:10.20 | aZz7eCh | awal1: there is only HDMI as option. |
| 07:10.28 | rmx77-1 | its raspbian |
| 07:10.36 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 07:10.36 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 07:11.20 | rmx77-1 | i already tried their thing and no one is even there at all just a room full of silent people |
| 07:11.47 | awal1 | aZz7eCh, your issue is , say, a common issue with pulse ( older versions) if one changes ports |
| 07:11.58 | jelly | rmx77-1: be patient, then. We know even less about the correct approach for your system |
| 07:12.15 | aZz7eCh | awal1: there is no port changing |
| 07:12.22 | aZz7eCh | awal1: there is no settings changes |
| 07:12.28 | aZz7eCh | awal1: 37 times a day ? |
| 07:12.36 | jelly | rmx77-1: it's not unusual to have to idle for hours, even days for an answer in a small channel |
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| 07:12.46 | rmx77-1 | well as far as i know jelly is that raspbian is a fork of debian so i thought i should try here |
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| 07:13.03 | awal1 | aZz7eCh, 37 times a day? what you mean with that? |
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| 07:13.25 | aZz7eCh | i lose my audio, repeatedly, up to 50 times a day ! |
| 07:13.30 | aZz7eCh | reboot = ONLY solution |
| 07:13.31 | hrob | aZz7eCh: could it be that you had two snd_intel_hda running originally? |
| 07:13.39 | aZz7eCh | = my boss wants this DEBIAN BULLSHIT gone :( |
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| 07:13.42 | hrob | aZz7eCh: hence only hdmi showing now |
| 07:13.45 | jelly | rmx77-1: that's fine, you didn't know better. However I'm telling you now this channel can't support derivative distros. |
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| 07:14.24 | aZz7eCh | hrob: why would i have 2, or start 2, 37-50 times per day ? |
| 07:14.37 | awal1 | aZz7eCh, have you tried removing pulse and use pure alsa and see if your issue is persistent? |
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| 07:14.42 | Deele | hello |
| 07:15.06 | hrob | aZz7eCh: two sound chipsets using same driver, right? |
| 07:15.41 | aZz7eCh | awal1: no i haven't i didnt' know anything about pulseaudio before you told me earlier |
| 07:15.47 | hrob | aZz7eCh: not sure what your hdmi is using |
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| 07:15.50 | Deele | what is required to run php scripts with out using "php" prefix like "php script", but just "script"? |
| 07:15.53 | aZz7eCh | i dont have hdmi |
| 07:16.02 | aZz7eCh | let me check |
| 07:16.22 | aZz7eCh | yer no, there is no hdmi. mini-display port shit yes, no hdmi tho. |
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| 07:16.29 | Deele | I try to use "#!/usr/bin/env php" at the start of file and make it +x, but it still says "No command 'script' found..." |
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| 07:17.28 | hrob | aZz7eCh: I wouldn't say debian is the most popular distro for laptops though --- its more like stability on servers kinda thing |
| 07:17.44 | Fran_ | Hey folks. Quick question for you all. Having trouble installing the package firmware-brcm80211. Says it can't find the package at all |
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| 07:18.19 | jelly | dpkg, tell Fran_ about non-free sources |
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| 07:18.48 | Fran_ | Is there soemthing special i need to do for those? |
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| 07:19.38 | awal1 | aZz7eCh, aplay -L |
| 07:19.39 | hrob | aZz7eCh: do you have same issue with bootable usb of say ubuntu? ... you can just run it for an hour and browse web or something, see if audio drops |
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| 07:20.11 | aZz7eCh | o0 ubuntu 'working' is not the solution here. nor do I have any interest in being sent to 'ubuntu'.. thanks. |
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| 07:21.03 | hrob | aZz7eCh: it is not a solution but it is a diagnosis of sorts |
| 07:21.06 | awal1 | aZz7eCh, to get the list of available cards and devices i your machine you can run aplay -L. |
| 07:21.14 | hrob | aZz7eCh: a black box test |
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| 07:22.23 | awal1 | aZz7eCh, do you hear something if you run speaker-test ? |
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| 07:22.50 | awal1 | by default it will test the default device |
| 07:23.11 | aZz7eCh | not now i dont |
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| 07:24.15 | aZz7eCh | completely uninstall pulseaudio ? |
| 07:24.43 | Gerowen | Anybody know why gdebi-gtk in Debian doesn't work properly if you set up sudo instead of a root password? It keeps asking for root password and entering the user's password doesn't work. Is there a way to fix this? |
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| 07:26.37 | awal1 | aZz7eCh, you can try that. it's your choice & machine |
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| 07:27.14 | awal1 | debian wiki have several tutorials about sound, alsa,pulse... check them |
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| 07:29.15 | Fran_ | Hey so new problem. My network manager is straight up not showing up |
| 07:29.44 | awal1 | aZz7eCh, it's fine having problems sometimes. that helps for learn and if you solve your problem you will say "great, I was able to solve that" |
| 07:30.11 | awal1 | the debiaan way, I think so... |
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| 07:32.01 | awal1 | hm, he is gone :D |
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| 07:32.49 | Fran_ | So would anyone experienced this before? Like network manager not appearing, so as I can't connect to wifi |
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| 07:34.01 | awal1 | Fran_: your DE? |
| 07:34.34 | Fran_ | DE? |
| 07:34.46 | awal1 | desktop environment |
| 07:34.55 | Fran_ | Oh, Gnome |
| 07:34.58 | awal1 | gnome, kde, xfce... |
| 07:36.02 | Fran_ | Yea Gnome. Like it says it's installed and such. However the only way i can connect to the internet is through a cable. |
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| 07:36.44 | awal1 | mayybe a firmware missing there |
| 07:36.54 | awal1 | probably a non-free one |
| 07:37.26 | Fran_ | Yea i just installed that guy. |
| 07:37.47 | Fran_ | restarted the computer and such. Still not showing up. Was firmware-brcm80211 |
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| 07:40.03 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 07:42.53 | darxmurf | I launched an apt-get upgrade and it failed while upgrading netfilter-persistent |
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| 07:43.05 | awal1 | excuses |
| 07:43.12 | darxmurf | journalctl -xn returned |
| 07:43.23 | darxmurf | systemd-modules-load[2272]: Failed to find module 'usbkbd' |
| 07:43.25 | darxmurf | Oo |
| 07:43.53 | darxmurf | why the hell is it not working ?! |
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| 07:44.47 | Fran_ | Ok so it says it cannot find the device wlan0 |
| 07:45.01 | awal1 | Fran_, do you have a wireless (wifi) entry in your network manager settings window? |
| 07:45.28 | Fran_ | No, i have Wired and Network proxy |
| 07:45.37 | darxmurf | and of course this module is not existing on my system |
| 07:45.45 | awal1 | add it |
| 07:45.55 | awal1 | and configure it |
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| 07:46.20 | Fran_ | I can only add VPN,Bond, Team, Bridg and VLAN |
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| 07:47.01 | awal1 | you can do that via interfaces file |
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| 07:49.16 | Gerowen | Since there's people actively here at the moment, I'll restate my question. Any idea why, on Jessie, if you set up sudo instead of a root password, gdebi won't accept your user password and keeps asking for a root password? |
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| 07:51.46 | Fran_ | so wait @awal1 where is the interfaces file? |
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| 07:54.13 | jordanm | Gerowen: if it's using gksu, you can change the default via gconf I believe |
| 07:54.20 | jordanm | Gerowen: see the gksu manpage |
| 07:54.50 | awal1 | Fran_, sleep time here |
| 07:54.56 | awal1 | check https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 07:59.51 | Gerowen | jordanm: Everything else works fine and accepts the user's password for sudo, gdebi-gtk is the only thing that gives me heartache. Manually running sudo gdebi-gtk package from the terminal works, but kind of defeats the purpose of wanting to use a graphical tool to begin with if I'm already in the terminal. |
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| 08:00.11 | Gerowen | In dconf editor right now, gonna look around. |
| 08:00.37 | Gerowen | jordanm: The word gdebi is not found anywhere in dconf |
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| 08:11.15 | ksx4system | how can I force certain (re)sampling frequency on ALSA? |
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| 08:14.56 | nils_ | Is there a special kernel package for virtualized systems? I think Ubuntu used to have one (since abandoned) |
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| 08:20.59 | Inglipz | Hey guys! |
| 08:21.25 | darxmurf | hi |
| 08:21.49 | Iridos | nils_, did you read apt-cache show linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 08:22.10 | Inglipz | I had some issues with my WiFi on Debian Jessie (dropping/very slow connection). I reinstalled the kernel (figuring it may have to do with the ath9k drivers), and I may have found the issue. |
| 08:22.34 | Inglipz | What do the line "libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod-config.c:673 kmod_config_parse: /etc/modprobe.d/ath9k.conf line 1: ignoring bad line starting with 'ath9knohcrypt=1'" basically says? |
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| 08:22.59 | nils_ | Iridos, what's your point? |
| 08:23.33 | Inglipz | (It showed while reinstalling using sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-(uname -r) |
| 08:24.36 | Iridos | I thought my point becomes obvious when one reads the package description |
| 08:24.42 | Iridos | does it not? |
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| 08:26.31 | Iridos | Gero... gorn |
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| 08:30.24 | kerunaru | Ooops |
| 08:30.25 | kerunaru | Sorry |
| 08:30.27 | kerunaru | lol |
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| 08:35.05 | Gerowen | Fixed my issue with gdebi asking for the "root" account password instead of accepting the sudo password, even though root was disabled during install of Debian. |
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| 08:35.24 | Iridos | how? |
| 08:35.36 | Gerowen | Just created a 2nd .desktop entry in /usr/share/applications that launched gksudo gdebi-gtk and associated .deb files with it. |
| 08:35.55 | Gerowen | Renamed it to "Gdebi Package Installer (Root)" so I could tell the two apart in applications lists. |
| 08:36.06 | Iridos | heh |
| 08:36.27 | Iridos | because you seemed to demand from the gtk app that it should be psychic |
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| 08:37.44 | Gerowen | Well I didn't disable root myself, I left the root password box blank during the installation of Debian under the impression that it would enable/configure sudo to replace requests for "root" automatically. It enabled and configured sudo, disabled root, but didn't configure apps (universally at least) to not ask for "root". |
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| 08:38.36 | Gerowen | So essentially it was asking for an account that was disabled and had no password, instead of the password for the account with sudo privileges. |
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| 08:39.43 | Iridos | Gerowen, that's not how it works. There is nothing that "universally" configures applications |
| 08:40.01 | grawity | so I run Debian testing but want a few packages that just showed up on sid, what's the best way to get them â build from deb-src or try to install directly? [namely samba 4.3 and ocserv.] |
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| 08:48.52 | Iridos | grawity, there's #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable... and... depends... it's probably still safer to backport, but testing and unstable are usually so close together that you can just install the binary packages from unstable. After all, packages migrate from unstable to testing at some point anyway |
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| 08:50.01 | grawity | Iridos: thanks, how would direct install work? add a "deb http://... sid" to my sources.list, set up pinning or something to make sure I don't accidentally sid everything, then `apt-get install -t unstable ocserv`? |
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| 08:53.05 | Iridos | yes... pinning |
| 08:53.08 | Iridos | dpkg pinning |
| 08:53.09 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 08:57.46 | grawity | that #errata link is 404 >_> |
| 08:57.56 | grawity | I suppose that means it's bug-free now |
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| 09:01.18 | jelly | grawity: it's been improved, but still confusing as hell |
| 09:02.03 | Iridos | seems it's not been there for a while |
| 09:02.23 | Iridos | https://web.archive.org/web/20120415114724/http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/debian.html#errata |
| 09:02.29 | darxmurf | why the hell netfilter-persistant needs usbkbd module ?? |
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| 09:02.54 | Iridos | 2012... maybe time for something a bit newer anyway... the question is: what |
| 09:03.58 | beepie | darxmurf, you want iptables-persistent no? |
| 09:04.17 | beepie | darxmurf, that'll/should be installed netfilter-persistent if you still want to use the iptables-save |
| 09:04.40 | darxmurf | it was installed but after an apt-get upgrade it returned an error |
| 09:04.48 | darxmurf | and journalctl returned |
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| 09:05.01 | darxmurf | systemd-modules-load[2272]: Failed to find module 'usbkbd' |
| 09:05.12 | polyphagia | anybody here using thinkfan? why does changing the fan speed over /proc/acpi/ibm/fan only last a few seconds? |
| 09:05.14 | darxmurf | I had to remove the package |
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| 09:05.36 | darxmurf | what's the link between netfilter-persistant and the usb keyboard module ?! |
| 09:05.54 | beepie | !tell darxmurf about refcard |
| 09:06.12 | polyphagia | is there a way to change fan speed for like ten minutes |
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| 09:06.47 | beepie | polyphagia, beep |
| 09:06.56 | grawity | ooh yeah netfilter-persistent, reminds me of two issues I have: 1) firewall rules don't get loaded on boot (iptables-restore fails) even though they load just fine afterwards, and 2) my dmesg gets a bunch of "lo ate my IP address" warnings â are these two related, and how do I fix #1? |
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| 09:07.02 | darxmurf | beepie: thanks but ?? |
| 09:07.14 | beepie | grawity, iptables-save > /etc/iptables/rules.v4 |
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| 09:07.20 | grawity | beepie: already done that |
| 09:07.29 | grawity | that's where I load the rules *from* |
| 09:07.31 | beepie | grawity, you also need to install iptables-persistent |
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| 09:07.40 | grawity | already done that, that's how I save and load rules |
| 09:07.55 | beepie | grawity, check systemctl list-units , they should be active and loading on boot-up |
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| 09:08.21 | grawity | in which they show up as 'failed' |
| 09:08.24 | beepie | grawity, if they don't, then upgrade iptables-persistent |
| 09:08.32 | beepie | grawity, you might be using a broken release |
| 09:08.38 | beepie | grawity, (of iptables-persistent) |
| 09:08.45 | jelly | ,v iptables-persistent |
| 09:08.46 | judd | Package: iptables-persistent on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.0.20100801; wheezy: 0.5.7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 0.5.7+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.3+deb8u1; stretch: 1.0.4; sid: 1.0.4 |
| 09:09.15 | grawity | hmm will check for updates |
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| 09:10.10 | beepie | grawity, also ensure the iptables module is loaded |
| 09:10.19 | grawity | those get auto-loaded these days, don't they? |
| 09:10.32 | beepie | grawity, does here |
| 09:10.38 | grawity | yeah |
| 09:10.45 | grawity | and after boot, a `systemctl restart netfilter-persistent` loads everything fine |
| 09:11.02 | beepie | grawity, ( netfilter-persistent.service ) |
| 09:11.22 | beepie | grawity, that shows loaded,active,exited for me |
| 09:11.29 | darxmurf | here is http://paste.debian.net/370487/ |
| 09:12.03 | grawity | ( same thing, they started automatically adding the .service in systemd v188 ) |
| 09:12.05 | karlpinc | grawity: In an FYI. You might want to look at ferm instead of raw iptables. It's nice syntatic sugar and has a few tools to make messing with firewall loading/unloading/temporary loading/etc. easier. |
| 09:12.24 | darxmurf | I don't understand why it's trying to load this usbkbd module |
| 09:12.34 | darxmurf | and by the way, this module does not exist on the system |
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| 09:15.35 | beepie | darxmurf, not sure if i ever saw that error |
| 09:15.48 | beepie | darxmurf, but its not from the iptables/netfilter persistent packages |
| 09:15.59 | beepie | (packagekit) |
| 09:17.06 | beepie | darxmurf, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=162417 |
| 09:17.36 | beepie | sry wrong url |
| 09:17.59 | beepie | ( http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=115968 ) this one i think |
| 09:18.25 | beepie | it's possilbe i've seen this issue -- though it would have to be that it is because of much upgrades something is left in a module configuration |
| 09:18.39 | beepie | of a renamed/or osbolete module option no longer used |
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| 09:19.53 | darxmurf | hmm okay I'll have a look |
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| 09:20.05 | darxmurf | by the way it's an old machine |
| 09:20.09 | beepie | check, /etc/modules-load.d |
| 09:20.24 | darxmurf | I upgraded it to jessie a few months ago |
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| 09:25.28 | beepie | grawity, but when you boot the system now does it start?/ |
| 09:25.58 | beepie | "and after boot, a `systemctl restart netfilter-persistent` loads everything fine" , table rules should work on boot |
| 09:26.11 | grawity | that's exactly the problem, the former works, but the latter doesn't. |
| 09:26.21 | nick_435672 | hi everybody |
| 09:26.27 | beepie | grawity, did you enable iptables-persistent as well? |
| 09:26.33 | nick_435672 | first time here on debian channel |
| 09:26.49 | grawity | beepie: enable what? it doesn't ship a systemd unit file. |
| 09:26.50 | nick_435672 | just a quick question please |
| 09:27.11 | nick_435672 | how can I pass from stable to testing? |
| 09:27.13 | grawity | beepie: the iptables plugins seem to be always enabled as long as they're installed |
| 09:27.32 | beepie | a sec |
| 09:27.49 | grawity | beepie: and from the syslog, they're shown to be running â it only complains about the actual `iptables-restore` exiting with an error |
| 09:28.08 | grawity | doesn't say what error (other than code 2), and I couldn't find any in dmesg either (where iptables-restore errors tend to show up) |
| 09:28.41 | grawity | same happens both on this Debian server (which I don't want to reboot until evening) and on an Ubuntu one |
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| 09:29.23 | nick_435672 | someone please? how can I pass from stable to testing? |
| 09:29.41 | beepie | grawity, you using the latest packages? |
| 09:29.46 | grawity | yes |
| 09:30.04 | beepie | (1.0.3) |
| 09:30.12 | SPF | !tell nick_435672 about stable->testing |
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| 09:30.26 | grawity | netfilter-persistent 1.0.4 on stretch, iptables 1.4.21-2+b1 |
| 09:30.41 | beepie | grawity, that's stretch, it could be buggy |
| 09:30.53 | grawity | I wonder in what way though |
| 09:30.53 | nick_435672 | I'd like to have sort of rolling release distro and debian testing it is,right? |
| 09:31.00 | beepie | grawity, you may want to see ->systemctl list-units , and see if it says "active" |
| 09:31.02 | grawity | the only thing I can imagine is failing to load a kernel module on boot |
| 09:31.09 | beepie | grawity, for netfilter-persistent.service |
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| 09:31.17 | grawity | no it doesn't say "active". it says "failed". (probably because it failed.) |
| 09:31.29 | beepie | grawity, ok when it boots, check to see if "iptables" module is loaded |
| 09:31.48 | grawity | there's no "iptables" module |
| 09:31.53 | beepie | grawity, systemctl enable netfilter-persistent.service |
| 09:31.54 | grawity | assuming you mean iptable_filter, ip_tables, etc. |
| 09:32.00 | nick_435672 | SPF, how can I do? |
| 09:32.01 | grawity | it's already enabled |
| 09:32.07 | beepie | grawity, ip_tables |
| 09:32.08 | nkuttler | nick_435672: testing is not a release, it's a pretty random collection of packages |
| 09:32.16 | grawity | yeah will check those |
| 09:32.46 | beepie | grawity, are you able to "enable" it to say "active" ? |
| 09:32.56 | grawity | that's not what "enable" does |
| 09:33.03 | nick_435672 | nkuttler ok. so I will have newer programs, right? |
| 09:33.03 | McErrone1us | polmü |
| 09:33.22 | beepie | grawity, no i mean does it say that in any case after you did "restart" ? |
| 09:33.24 | darxmurf | nick_435672: yep |
| 09:33.28 | nkuttler | nick_435672: newer programs and newer bugs |
| 09:33.30 | darxmurf | it works quite well |
| 09:33.37 | nkuttler | !tell nick_435672 about testing security |
| 09:33.38 | grawity | beepie: after I manually restart the service, yes, it says 'active' and loads the firewall rules fine |
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| 09:35.05 | beepie | grawity, systemctl list-unit-files , you would see if it says enabled |
| 09:35.08 | karlpinc | nick_435672: Testing also breaks. Some find this acceptable and better than other distros. |
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| 09:35.43 | darxmurf | on my side I never had issues with testing |
| 09:35.47 | grawity | yeah, it says enabled everywhere; I know it's enabled because it *tries* to start on boot |
| 09:35.53 | nick_435672 | nkuttler karlpinc so testing is not a good choice? |
| 09:35.55 | grawity | (it just reports an iptables-restore error) |
| 09:36.41 | grawity | ok, I can't reboot the Debian server, but I just checked the modules pre-reboot and post-reboot on the Ubuntu box |
| 09:36.47 | nkuttler | nick_435672: it depends. can you deal with broken dependencies and occasional packaging bugs? |
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| 09:37.00 | grawity | seems like it fails to load the NAT-related modules... |
| 09:37.38 | beepie | that might be a regression bug i saw way back on 3.17experimental |
| 09:37.43 | grawity | (specifically: iptable_nat, ipt_MASQUERADE, nf_conntrack_ipv4, nf_defrag_ipv4, nf_log_ipv4, nf_nat_ipv4, nf_nat_masquerade_ipv4) |
| 09:37.47 | beepie | grawity, what kernel are you using? |
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| 09:37.56 | beepie | grawity, (uname -r) |
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| 09:38.05 | grawity | 4.1.0-2-amd64 on the Debian one |
| 09:38.18 | grawity | hmm |
| 09:38.28 | beepie | grawity, tell ben it's a regression bug :) |
| 09:38.34 | beepie | grawity, or |
| 09:38.44 | beepie | grawity, you can try to update the latest backports (to 4.3) |
| 09:38.50 | beepie | grawity, maybe it has been addressed |
| 09:38.51 | grawity | yeah I see there's 4.3+70 on stretch now |
| 09:39.00 | beepie | grawity, btw does any "nat" module load ? |
| 09:39.14 | grawity | when the latest was 4.2, I had to downgrade to 4.1 because it used to panic inside ipv6 after 2-3 minutes |
| 09:39.18 | grawity | maybe 4.3 is okay |
| 09:39.27 | grawity | beepie: yeah, nf_nat and nf_nat_ftp do load. |
| 09:40.04 | beepie | grawity, so i guess you're using nat rules |
| 09:40.07 | grawity | yeah |
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| 09:40.13 | beepie | grawity, maybe add those to /etc/modules |
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| 09:40.32 | beepie | grawity, when you boot the "nat" modules should be already loaded |
| 09:40.49 | beepie | grawity, you can check if you dont need to add to that file.. just see if those nat modules load on boot -- probably they dont |
| 09:40.57 | grawity | hmm I see nf_nat_ftp is already there for some reason |
| 09:41.02 | beepie | grawity, ./and then that means you should add them to the modules file |
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| 09:41.21 | grawity | normally they ought to get autoloaded when iptables requests them, no? |
| 09:41.30 | grawity | I suppose I can list them there manually for now |
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| 09:43.21 | jelly | there should be no need to manually load iptables/netfilter modules |
| 09:43.29 | karlpinc | nick_435672: Testing may not be a good choice if you're new to linux. I prefer stable. I want my computer to just work. See also the <sns> factoid. If I need something newer I can usually get it from backports or I backport it myself. |
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| 09:44.00 | grawity | jelly: it's a workaround until this thing gets fixed in kernel or wherever |
| 09:44.08 | nick_435672 | karlpinc what is backport? |
| 09:44.14 | jelly | grawity: which debian release are you using? |
| 09:44.18 | karlpinc | !tell nick_435672 about backports |
| 09:44.23 | grawity | jelly: stretch |
| 09:44.46 | jelly | grawity: didn't try 4.3 yet? |
| 09:44.54 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 09:44.55 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.4.0-trunk-686-pae (4.4-1~exp1); sid: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-7); stretch: 4.3.0-1-686 (4.3.3-7); jessie-backports: 4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.3.3-7~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.73-2+deb7u2) |
| 09:44.57 | grawity | will try sometime in the evening |
| 09:45.10 | beepie | grawity, so same issue? |
| 09:45.10 | jelly | and there's 4.4 in experimental I see |
| 09:45.17 | jelly | also. |
| 09:45.20 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 09:45.20 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 09:45.33 | beepie | grawity, but do the nat rules actually get loaded? |
| 09:45.42 | beepie | grawity, iptables -t nat -L -n |
| 09:45.56 | grawity | beepie: on boot? no |
| 09:46.19 | grawity | afaik iptables-restore is atomic so it loads everything or nothing ... so I end up having no rules at all |
| 09:46.25 | karlpinc | nick_435672: See, e.g., the problem that grawity is having now with testing. I need my computer for work and am willing to wait to get newer stuff. |
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| 09:46.40 | grawity | (checked with `iptables-save` too, shows nothing but the fail2ban rule.) |
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| 09:47.28 | grawity | well I'll try the 4.3 kernel after work hours and come back later |
| 09:47.53 | beepie | grawity, you don't have to rid the older kernel, you can add this 4.3 as a new test, shouldn't cause too much problems i hope (unless you're using something like the nvidia driver) |
| 09:49.07 | karlpinc | always has to remember to use -nLv with iptables, -v to see all of each rule. |
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| 09:50.22 | grawity | remember -S instead |
| 09:50.27 | grawity | one syntax less to remember as bonus |
| 09:50.33 | grawity | unless you need counters I guess |
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| 09:50.48 | beepie | btw they updated the iptables manpage, now there's iptables-extensions to see the fuller documentation |
| 09:50.57 | Iridos | judd, popcon debsecan |
| 09:50.58 | judd | Popcon data for debsecan: inst: 995, vote: 806, old: 173, recent: 16, nofiles: 0 |
| 09:51.56 | beepie | it's old news, it came out since jessie, but in case anyone is wondering why the 'iptables' manpage is now so short :) |
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| 09:52.32 | Iridos | oh well... guess that means nobody uses debsecan... which probably also answers the question "does anyone find it useful" |
| 09:53.24 | nkuttler | or maybe security-concscious people don't like popcon? |
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| 09:54.07 | beepie | uses lsb-invalid-mta |
| 09:54.12 | beepie | :p |
| 09:54.26 | karlpinc | Or it's awesome, but sidelined since it can't really be trusted because it runs ons the host it's testing. |
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| 09:55.06 | Iridos | it's not testing ... it reports CVSess ... which it claims are valid for your system |
| 09:55.16 | Iridos | I think I've run it for half a year to a year now |
| 09:55.35 | karlpinc | Iridos: And what do you think? |
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| 09:55.58 | Iridos | what can I say... /usr/bin/debsecan | wc -l = 2336 |
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| 09:56.22 | Iridos | it just drowns you in text... of those >2000 lines, there may be 5 important/relevant ones |
| 09:56.38 | Iridos | apparently it's already comparing that with the installed packages, which I have my doubts about |
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| 09:57.47 | karlpinc | I've been a bit dissappointed with debian's security of late. In the last year there's been at least 2 and maybe 3 vulnerabilties that have shown up on the ocert mailing list before being patched in debian, after I've reported a bug. You'd think the security team would at least monitor ocert. |
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| 10:07.34 | Gnooome | Hi, Is it possible to have testing iso with gnome desktop? |
| 10:08.09 | Iridos | karlpinc, what do I think... I think I was maybe a bit naive to think, I could just install that package and it would do something useful. |
| 10:08.15 | SynrGy | Gnooome: iso of what, installer? or live? |
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| 10:08.52 | wiltors | How do I get xrandr/arandr to detect my two displays? |
| 10:09.02 | Gnooome | Yesterday I installed the netinstall iso with gnome in virtualbox, but after reboot it shows the tty with login and the whole screen is blinking and nothing happens |
| 10:09.22 | SynrGy | !testing installer |
| 10:09.23 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 10:09.28 | Gnooome | SynrGy: Installer yes. I see just xfce or netinstall |
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| 10:09.59 | SynrGy | Gnooome: as per above, use the jessie netinst |
| 10:12.51 | Gnooome | SynrGy: That didn't work for me. |
| 10:13.48 | Gnooome | What's the difference between Stretch Alpha 4 and weekly builds of testing? |
| 10:15.45 | SynrGy | you'll have to discuss that with the debian-installer developers. |
| 10:16.03 | Iridos | karlpinc, well, seems I'm not alone: bug #703998 "As it stands, between this and #588065, the signal to noise ratio on debsecan's reports is so low as to make it nearly useless for me." |
| 10:16.24 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/703998 in debsecan (open): «debsecan: Don't report on already installed fixes»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2013-03-26; last modified: 2014-03-09. |
| 10:16.33 | SynrGy | Gnooome: why are you interested in testing? and what didn't work about using the stable installer? |
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| 10:18.15 | Gnooome | Because I don't like in Gnome 3.14 that the notifications are at the bottom of the screen. I use a dock there. And from 3.16 the notifications are on the top of the screen. ThatS all |
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| 10:18.20 | SynrGy | !sns |
| 10:18.20 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 10:18.43 | SynrGy | live without it. or use a third-party extension to tweak gnome to your preferences ... |
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| 10:18.54 | SynrGy | or use a supported desktop in stable, e.g. cinnamon |
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| 10:19.08 | SynrGy | !install cinnamon |
| 10:19.08 | dpkg | To install <Cinnamon> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install cinnamon-desktop-environment». To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Cinnamon" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages. |
| 10:19.10 | Gnooome | SynrGy: I think there is no extension to change this |
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| 10:19.31 | Gnooome | It's for my girlfriend she wants Gnome shell |
| 10:19.33 | Iridos | I thought there's extensions for everything |
| 10:19.46 | SynrGy | overly constrained problem |
| 10:19.49 | Gnooome | Iridos: If you show this I pay you a beer |
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| 10:20.01 | SynrGy | you definitely don't want to be technical support for testing for your girlfriend. |
| 10:20.25 | Gnooome | SynrGy: do you think it is that unstable? |
| 10:20.29 | Iridos | you cannot say this! maybe he likes visiting her, just to fiddle around with her computer for hours on end! |
| 10:20.46 | SynrGy | Gnooome: it is a moving target by definition |
| 10:21.11 | SynrGy | it is not for users. it's for testers. |
| 10:21.23 | Gnooome | I don't think testing is as unstable as Mint or Ubuntu |
| 10:21.36 | Gnooome | Which are for users and based on SID |
| 10:21.41 | SynrGy | good grief. not this again. i'm not getting sucked into this vortex. |
| 10:21.44 | SynrGy | you are wrong. end of |
| 10:21.55 | SynrGy | has better things to do and goes off to do them |
| 10:22.50 | flavi0 | Hullo. Having one leftover problem after upgrading this jessie to the latest point release (with my testing proot environment on top). Inside the proot, the linker /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL. ldconfig -p | grep libGL yields libGL.so.1 (libc6,x86-64) => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1. that's a symlink to /etc/alternatives/nvidia--libGL.so.1-x86_64-linux-gnu which in turn *links back to* /usr/lib/x86 |
| 10:22.56 | flavi0 | _64-linux-gnu/nvidia/current/libGL.so.1. |
| 10:23.34 | flavi0 | oh no, i'm wrong |
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| 10:24.02 | flavi0 | thank actually links to libGL.so.340.96, which is present. |
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| 10:24.09 | flavi0 | s/thank/that/ |
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| 10:24.22 | flavi0 | so then, why doesn't ld see the library properly? |
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| 10:25.16 | flavi0 | glxgears for example runs fine and ldd shows libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1 |
| 10:26.21 | Remind | Morning good people. This morning I've been continuing trying to get my NVIDIA GPU to work. Still running into problems. Someone here yesterday suggested that I have a 'hybrid' card and advised me to use Bumblebee. I have it installed, by following the wiki (https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee). I didn't have any isssue's installing it. However when I try to run a test and use 'https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee' I get this error: http://pas |
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| 10:26.58 | flavi0 | Remind: the paste link is truncated for me |
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| 10:28.11 | Remind | I found on another forum to appending the /etc/bumblebee/xorg.conf.nvidia file, so I tried that as well: http://pastebin.com/pLCaDj1D |
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| 10:28.42 | flavi0 | Remind: can you repost the first link? |
| 10:29.04 | Remind | flavi0: http://pastebin.com/bcF3e8Ht |
| 10:29.43 | flavi0 | Remind: are you in the 'video' group? |
| 10:29.52 | flavi0 | Remind: check ls -l /dev/dri/card0 |
| 10:29.52 | Remind | Also, what I found the most odd: http://pastebin.com/pmD5GYSr |
| 10:30.24 | Remind | flavi0, this is the output of 'ls -l /dev/dri/card0': crw-rw----+ 1 root video 226, 0 Jan 27 05:20 /dev/dri/card0 |
| 10:30.38 | flavi0 | Remind: yes, same for me, so are you in the video group? |
| 10:30.44 | Remind | I'm not |
| 10:30.56 | Remind | #video? |
| 10:31.03 | flavi0 | no, on your system. |
| 10:31.07 | Remind | Oh, haha |
| 10:31.11 | Remind | How can I check, sorry |
| 10:31.16 | flavi0 | groups |
| 10:31.40 | Remind | "brandon cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev lpadmin scanner bluetooth bumblebee |
| 10:31.41 | Remind | " |
| 10:31.50 | flavi0 | ok |
| 10:32.02 | Remind | flavi0, thanks for trying to help me |
| 10:32.15 | Remind | flavi0, did you see my post about the odd results? |
| 10:32.27 | Remind | Is my system just completely not detecting my NVIDIA Card? |
| 10:32.40 | flavi0 | Remind: what kind of system is it? |
| 10:32.48 | Remind | Debian 8 Cinnamon |
| 10:32.51 | Remind | 64 bit |
| 10:32.56 | flavi0 | Remind: no the hardware is it a laptop? |
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| 10:33.09 | ewew | Remind Can you put more than two sentences in one message ? Thank you. |
| 10:33.11 | Remind | Yeah, it's a MSI GP60. The card is a NVIDIA GTX 950M |
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| 10:33.34 | Remind | ewew, I have been, I just forgot to add 64-bit. Thanks though. |
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| 10:34.57 | flavi0 | Remind: The kernel seems not to see the nvidia card at all. I would check bios and maybe some hardware toggle switch. |
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| 10:36.05 | Remind | flavi0, I did try that. I went in BIOS and there was no manual enabling/disabling of the card. I have a American Megeatrends BIOS, v 2.15.1236 |
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| 10:37.46 | Remind | flavi0, if you were curious this is the output of 'dmesg' for me: http://termbin.com/p31a |
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| 10:39.11 | flavi0 | Remind: [ 16.361980] bbswitch: Found integrated VGA device 0000:00:02.0: \_SB_.PCI0.GFX0 [ 16.361985] bbswitch: Found discrete VGA device 0000:01:00.0: \_SB_.PCI0.PEG0.PEGP - so kernel sees them both at least. |
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| 10:42.16 | Remind | If I run 'lspci | grep NV', I get this: 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 139a (rev a2) |
| 10:42.49 | flavi0 | ah interesting. would also have expected that it's listed as VGA controller |
| 10:44.13 | flavi0 | well then back to your problem.. Remind https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/issues/646 |
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| 10:44.17 | Iridos | Remind, the dmesg seems quite clear? |
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| 10:44.50 | Gaurishankargoun | hello |
| 10:45.05 | Gaurishankargoun | I am using debian jessie 8.2 |
| 10:45.25 | Gaurishankargoun | how to upgrade to latest release 8.3 |
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| 10:45.50 | flavi0 | Remind: https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/issues/652 seems to have a solution: I'm going to write down my solution for Debian Jessie: downgrade to libdrm*_2.4.56 which can be gotten here... |
| 10:45.59 | Remind | Iridos, I guess it's not quite clear to me. I'm still really new and just trying to learn |
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| 10:46.31 | Iridos | Remind, 0000:01:00.0: firmware: failed to load nouveau/nv117_fuc409c and 0000:01:00.0: firmware: failed to load nouveau/fuc409c |
| 10:46.43 | flavi0 | Remind: can you try modprobe drm? |
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| 10:47.17 | Gaurishankargoun | flavi0 I had some isssue while I performed upgrade through Webmin |
| 10:47.18 | LMtx | hello everyone :) |
| 10:47.28 | LMtx | what is your favourite irc clinet |
| 10:47.29 | Remind | flavi0, I don't think I have that package |
| 10:47.31 | Iridos | there is a package called firmware-misc-nonfree in debian... but I cannot see that the stuff mentioned in your errors is there... |
| 10:47.32 | LMtx | console base |
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| 10:47.56 | flavi0 | Gaurishankargoun: why are you talking to me? :D |
| 10:48.15 | Gaurishankargoun | Sorry flavio |
| 10:48.31 | Gaurishankargoun | I wanted to ask a solution to debian jessie |
| 10:48.34 | flavi0 | Remind: did you blacklist nouveau, I think that's what Iridos is hinting at |
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| 10:49.15 | Iridos | well, that is another thing... are you trying to get nouveau to run or the proprietary nvidia driver |
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| 10:49.53 | Gaurishankargoun | hello everyone |
| 10:50.19 | Gaurishankargoun | can any one help me , I am facing upgrade problem in jessie 8.2 to 8.3 |
| 10:50.33 | Remind | Iridos, I believe so. I'm just wanting to know if my system is using my graphics card which I'm thinking it isn't. I'd like to eventually play Steam but not with my integrated card |
| 10:50.59 | flavi0 | Gaurishankargoun: people have noticed, you, be patient or state your specific problem, what you tried, what was the expected result, and which error(s) do you get. |
| 10:51.17 | Gaurishankargoun | ok |
| 10:52.26 | Remind | Iridos, flavi0: |
| 10:52.30 | Gaurishankargoun | on test server I tried to run the upgrade and it went successfully update through webmin console.but the same thing I tried in Live server it is still showing 8.2 instead of 8.3 |
| 10:52.42 | flavi0 | Gaurishankargoun: in order to upgrade to 8.3 you should simply do an apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade normally |
| 10:52.43 | Remind | Iridos, flavi0: These are the only files in my /etc/modprobe.d/ directory *** |
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| 10:52.55 | Remind | That was odd, "bumblebee.confdkms.conf fbdev-blacklist.conf modesetting.conf" |
| 10:53.42 | flavi0 | Gaurishankargoun: where is it showing 8.2? and did you get any errors while upgrading? |
| 10:54.14 | tdn | I am trying to set up backupninja for backup to local disks. I have set up desturl as a file:///backup/foo, however, I only want the backup to run when /backup/foo is actually mounted. Appearently, this does not work. Backupninja runs and duplicity instead just starts copying backup to the root filesystem, because /backup/foo is not mounted. How do I solve this? Is this feature not supported with backupninja? |
| 10:54.21 | Gaurishankargoun | LSB_release -a |
| 10:54.29 | Gaurishankargoun | on console of server |
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| 10:54.55 | flavi0 | Gaurishankargoun: did you update before upgrading? are you using official mirrors? |
| 10:55.23 | Gaurishankargoun | I am using the webmin console |
| 10:55.40 | flavi0 | Gaurishankargoun: I have no experience with that. Maybe someone else will be able to help. |
| 10:56.08 | Gaurishankargoun | should I perform aptget update and upgrade |
| 10:56.17 | Gaurishankargoun | from root console |
| 10:56.18 | flavi0 | Gaurishankargoun: probably, yes. |
| 10:56.33 | Gaurishankargoun | I fear since it is live server |
| 10:56.50 | mallxs | Hi, i have a debian running somewhere in the cloud, is there a easy way to check the performance of the system i'm on ? |
| 10:57.06 | flavi0 | mallxs: performance? |
| 10:57.15 | Remind | Well, thank you flavi0 and Iridos for trying to help at least! |
| 10:57.56 | flavi0 | Gaurishankargoun: you should know very well what you are doing when upgrading a server while it's in production use. i can't help you with that. |
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| 10:58.17 | mallxs | flaviO:the CPU speed of the VM instance |
| 10:58.26 | Gaurishankargoun | right |
| 10:58.35 | Gaurishankargoun | Thanks Flavio for helping |
| 10:59.57 | Goldberg12 | Hey guys someone wants to help a noob with installation of openmediavault. it keeps telling me no driver for network |
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| 11:01.11 | flavi0 | mallxs: you can check /proc/cpuinfo for starters, otherwise since it's probably virtualized and physical throughput will be dependant on load, you would have to run some benchmarks I suppose. |
| 11:01.37 | flavi0 | mallxs: https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-benchmark-your-system-cpu-file-io-mysql-with-sysbench |
| 11:02.00 | mallxs | flavi0: thanks |
| 11:03.31 | Goldberg12 | I tryed with debian to and it dont have the network driver Integrated Intel 82579LM Gigabit Ethernet |
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| 11:12.45 | Goldberg12 | nobody can help me? |
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| 11:21.51 | rgr | this may help : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2167864 *BUT* might be cheaper and easier to just buy a compatible wifi usb stick. I did. |
| 11:22.13 | rgr | (note that that is for Ubuntu but the ideas are similar re firmware and modprobe and building) |
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| 11:23.20 | jelly | Goldberg12: I don't know what openmediavault is, but debian usually supports gigabit interfaces from intel (using either e1000e or e1000 driver) |
| 11:23.20 | newbie22 | Is there anywhere on the Internet where you can run your own virtual unix machine as a sysadmin ?? |
| 11:23.59 | jelly | Goldberg12: what does the lspci -nn line for your ethernet card look like? |
| 11:24.24 | vvande | newbie22: why not just get a VPS? Or are you looking for some specic Unix? |
| 11:24.40 | jelly | newbie22: these are called virtual private servers, VPS, and there are thousands of providers with different offers |
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| 11:25.32 | newbie22 | do you have to pay for it? |
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| 11:25.36 | jelly | yes |
| 11:25.47 | vvande | Most of them offer Linux though. A few have FreeBSD. For Linux you can get a good one for $6 per year, or even half that if you're OK with NAT. |
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| 11:26.31 | vvande | newbie22: Look at Low End Stock http://lowendstock.com/ |
| 11:26.56 | jelly | newbie22: some to offer test machines for a limited time (like 3 days) for free, but you have to hunt for those yourself |
| 11:27.06 | jelly | s/to // |
| 11:27.23 | newbie22 | thanks... |
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| 11:28.01 | jelly | http://gratisvps.net/ you'd think with a name like that... |
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| 11:30.18 | jelly | ... they wouldn't ask for your personal info, but they do |
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| 11:30.25 | newbie22 | vvande: thanks |
| 11:30.29 | newbie22 | jelly: thanks |
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| 11:32.08 | vvande | welcome :) |
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| 11:33.34 | Goldberg12 | <Goldberg12> Network interface |
| 11:33.34 | Goldberg12 | <Goldberg12> Integrated Intel 82579LM Gigabit Ethernet |
| 11:33.34 | Goldberg12 | <Goldberg12> Intel Pro 1000 CT Gigabit |
| 11:33.34 | Goldberg12 | <Goldberg12> 802.11 b/g/n wireless |
| 11:33.34 | Goldberg12 | <Goldberg12> this is all I know about it |
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| 11:33.48 | vvande | newbie22: I have quite a few VPSs out there, and am really into it. If you want reliable recommendations just PM me. |
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| 11:34.15 | newbie22 | what does PM, mean ?? |
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| 11:37.18 | vvande | newbie22: personal message. In my case I just click twice on a name and it opens a private channel. I'll try it with you right now just to see. |
| 11:37.19 | jelly | Goldberg12: which debian release are you trying to install? |
| 11:37.33 | Goldberg12 | its openmediavault |
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| 11:39.01 | jelly | Goldberg12: I don't know what that is, can you use the official debian 8 installer image? |
| 11:39.07 | jelly | !openmediavault |
| 11:39.08 | dpkg | OpenMediaVault is a NAS operating system with a web-based control panel. It is <based on Debian> but not supported in #debian. Support can be found at http://wiki.openmediavault.org/ and #openmediavault on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 11:39.13 | jelly | ah. |
| 11:39.40 | jelly | Goldberg12: you'll have to ask in #openmediavault for issues with their installer. |
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| 11:49.34 | Lionyx | Hello! |
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| 11:49.57 | Lionyx | guys /etc/passwd has a message that it's obsolete. What replaced that? |
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| 11:51.38 | ChrisH | Lionyx: What message and what Debian Release; can you show us /etc/passwd line and lsb_release -a on paste.debian.net please? |
| 11:52.14 | Lionyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.16 | Lionyx | typo |
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| 11:53.58 | manaia | hi |
| 11:54.19 | manaia | can i configure Debian to be under 2 gb of disk space? |
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| 11:56.58 | Lionyx | I'm lost. Sorry! lol... I meant /etc/shadow. But it seems that I also remembered it wrong... damn. Oh finally I meant /etc/login.defs . It says it's no longer handled by shadow. and I'm using Jessie 8.2. |
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| 11:57.38 | v0r0nwe | manaia: use a minimal / server install from scratch and install only the packages you need |
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| 11:58.56 | v0r0nwe | manaia: use the net install image |
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| 11:59.35 | manaia | and i will be able to select packages only i need during install? |
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| 12:00.59 | v0r0nwe | no, you install a minimal system. then you login as root and install more packages manually via apt. |
| 12:02.45 | manaia | hmm okay |
| 12:02.50 | manaia | thank you for your help |
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| 12:03.52 | v0r0nwe | what are you trying to achieve? why only 2gb and for what do you need this? |
| 12:04.14 | v0r0nwe | a headless install or do you want to also have a desktop environment? |
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| 12:12.43 | manaia | yes, i need desktop environment |
| 12:13.00 | manaia | i'm trying to install a VirtualBox image |
| 12:13.17 | manaia | and then put it to a DVD with VirtualBox installer and maybe with some other stuff |
| 12:13.50 | manaia | and i want to install things like GPG, tor, that kind of things |
| 12:14.25 | manaia | and i want it to be user friendly to give it to people who are new to linux |
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| 12:20.20 | AlwaysHigh | are u unable to remove a user quota from the system |
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| 12:23.30 | Goldberg12 | Hi now im in Debian 8.3 installation and it can't detect my network hardware |
| 12:25.38 | Goldberg12 | my network card is a Integrated Intel 82579LM Gigabit Ethernet Intel Pro 1000 CT Gigabit |
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| 12:29.25 | darxmurf | Hum I formated an external HDD to XFS from my debian testing and I'm unable to mount it on a wheezy system, could it be linked to the XFS version ?! |
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| 12:29.58 | darxmurf | xfs_repair returns bad primary superblock - bad or unsupported version !!! |
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| 12:31.59 | newbsduser | if i get 500k udp pkts in a second for syslog-ng application.. how should i set net.core.dev_weight=64 (default) and net.core.netdev_max_backlog=1000 (default)... or do you advise to change another parameter... |
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| 12:33.56 | tremon | darxmurf: anything in dmesg? |
| 12:34.21 | teraflops | Goldberg12: it that's true use a wireless connection to install the system, then install the driver by hand, or give a try to backported kernels, or use testing installer with newer kernel, anyway if that's true your complains are useless since debian jessie will not include the driver |
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| 12:36.07 | Qwertie | test |
| 12:36.51 | McErroneous | Hi, what is responsible for my mouse ? a Kernelmodule config-file ?, because i usb-mouse stopped working, while keyboard stays activated.. |
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| 12:38.16 | darxmurf | tremon: |
| 12:38.18 | darxmurf | [4475868.808106] XFS (sdc1): bad version |
| 12:38.18 | darxmurf | [4475868.808110] XFS (sdc1): SB validate failed |
| 12:38.19 | v0r0nwe | McErroneous: sure it's not a hardware problem? last time when i spent hours to get my usb mouse working via configuration, i ended up with buying a new one for $10 and it just worked again ;) |
| 12:38.31 | teraflops | v0r0nwe: heh |
| 12:38.32 | tremon | McErroneous: kernel-level, they are handled by the same module (either usbhid or evdev) |
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| 12:38.44 | darxmurf | I'll take back the disk and try to mount it on the original machine |
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| 12:39.14 | teraflops | McErroneous: take a look at the logs, if it works and then stops maybe usb powersavig option or just is borked as v0r0nwe says |
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| 12:39.42 | v0r0nwe | McErroneous: you could check via xev if "mouse input" arrives somehow |
| 12:39.57 | McErroneous | v0r0nwe: well, reconnecting it would work, but i do not want to crawl behind the desk each time this happens.. |
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| 12:40.36 | tremon | darxmurf: I don't use xfs, but afaik xfs shouldn't introduce incompatible versions like that. the most I would expect to see is "XFS: unknown feature (0xadbc) detected" |
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| 12:41.43 | v0r0nwe | McErroneous: try a different mouse first if you have one around before diving into kernel stuff. for me, restarting X worked for a while, so i never guessed that its a broken mouse ;) |
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| 12:43.36 | McErroneous | v0r0nwe: well i have a keyboard-mouse combo connected, and when my second Keyboard comes into play the mouse of the first combo stops working, while the combo-Keyboard stays healthy.. |
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| 12:44.53 | Slydder | hey all. am trying to mount a netatalk afp share using afp_client or mount_afp to no avail. am using 0.8.2 version of afp on a linux mint system. all I get is the "The afpfs daemon does not appear to be running for uid 1000, let me start it for you" message and then "Login error: Unknown error, maybe username/passwd needed?". If I mount it using gvfs in nemo it works fine. any ideas? |
| 12:44.58 | v0r0nwe | McErroneous: hm did you check via xev if "something" is arriving? |
| 12:45.28 | McErroneous | v0r0nwe: no, ... |
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| 12:46.30 | McErroneous | xev does not see the mouse.. |
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| 12:46.35 | darxmurf | tremon: and I can mount it on my testing machine |
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| 12:46.36 | darxmurf | hmmm |
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| 12:47.42 | v0r0nwe | McErroneous: reproduce your situation (kbd-mouse connect, then plugin second kbd or whatever) and see at /var/log/messages what exactly happens |
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| 12:49.12 | Antwuurld | hello I have a problem with booting into a live CD of debian-testing |
| 12:49.21 | McErroneous | v0r0nwe: i did a "modprobe -r usbhid; modprobe usbhid" which did not result.. |
| 12:49.36 | Antwuurld | everything boots '[ok]' but then I get no display output - the monitor starts looking for a signal and the screen's black |
| 12:50.04 | Antwuurld | the hardware is in part to blame, because it works fine on my laptop but on the thin client I'm trying to use (that's very old) it does not work |
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| 12:50.14 | Antwuurld | what can I do to get a display/get debian to install? |
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| 12:50.30 | Antwuurld | ps. I've tried failsafe boot, still didn't do anything |
| 12:50.41 | tremon | Antwuurld: amd (ati) display card? |
| 12:50.51 | McErroneous | v0r0nwe: yeah, i really have to take a look at these log-file, it is still not a habit... |
| 12:51.08 | Antwuurld | erm... it's VIA C7 CPU & whatever graphics card that's using. Might be SIS or something. |
| 12:51.17 | Antwuurld | Let me check the specs |
| 12:51.31 | bumbar_ | can i get latest (1.9.x) nginx version on debian 8, or should i build it from source? |
| 12:51.47 | tremon | hmm those should just work. Recent AMD graphics (anything above HD6000 iirc) show that behaviour |
| 12:52.23 | Antwuurld | 1Ghz VIA Eden ULV CPU + VIA CN896+VT8237S support Chipsets |
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| 12:56.38 | Antwuurld | So the Via CN896 Northbridge is what's handling the video output |
| 12:56.55 | Iridos | judd, versions nginx |
| 12:56.56 | judd | Package: nginx on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.7.67-3+squeeze4; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5; jessie-backports: 1.9.4-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.9.9-1; sid: 1.9.10-1 |
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| 12:56.58 | Antwuurld | the question is what can I do about the screen problem? |
| 12:57.39 | Iridos | bumbar_, 1.9.4-1~bpo8+1; Look at http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 12:57.55 | Antwuurld | It's using the "VT 1632A DVI Transmitter", whatever that is |
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| 12:58.07 | tremon | Antwuurld: do you have an option to work with a serial console? it's probably the easiest option to take |
| 12:58.23 | Antwuurld | You mean terminal view? |
| 12:58.58 | tremon | I mean an rs232 port (ttyS0) |
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| 12:59.43 | Antwuurld | I've never used an rs232 port before... I'm not sure this thing even has one. Too old a standard. |
| 12:59.59 | Antwuurld | It has a VGA port |
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| 13:00.29 | tremon | can you try that then? possibly it's not doing dual-display automatically |
| 13:00.44 | McErroneous | v0r0nwe: sorry, cant reproduce, was about to save the log, but cant reproduce yet, i guess i will have to waitl until it happens again.. |
| 13:00.48 | tremon | the only problem I have had with similar Epia boards is that they didn't support EDID, so the video driver would auto-select a resolution that the monitor wouldn't support |
| 13:00.57 | Antwuurld | I'll have a look |
| 13:00.57 | darxmurf | tremon: apparently old kernels/systems can have some problems to mount new XFS fs. depends of how you formated it on the new system |
| 13:01.03 | Antwuurld | is there anything else I could do, though? |
| 13:01.16 | Antwuurld | I think this box's max resolution is 1600x1200 but the monitor is 1080p |
| 13:01.21 | Antwuurld | it could be screwing up that way |
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| 13:02.17 | bumbar_ | Iridos, i can just replace squeeze-backports with jessie-backports, right? |
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| 13:02.26 | tremon | Antwuurld: maybe try an older release, I don't think Via graphics support has been removed, but there were some issues moving them over to the new kms architecture. Not sure if that has ever been resolved |
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| 13:02.46 | v0r0nwe | McErroneous: ok np next time when it happens, cat /var/log/messages :) |
| 13:02.47 | Antwuurld | alright, I'll go looking thanks for the help |
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| 13:03.43 | Iridos | bumbar_, where did you (only) read "squeeze-backports"? The page I linked has a line to add for each distribution |
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| 13:04.31 | bumbar_ | Iridos, sorry, i only saw squeeze and wheezy lines :o |
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| 13:05.57 | at0m | judd, version ssh |
| 13:05.59 | judd | Package: ssh on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze-security-lts: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze8; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u3; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u1; jessie: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u1; stretch: 1:7.1p2-2; sid: 1:7.1p2-2 |
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| 13:07.55 | bumbar_ | Iridos, i've added the line to sources.list, ran apt-get update and when i run "apt-get -s install nginx", it says version 1.6.2 will be installed |
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| 13:08.29 | Iridos | bumbar_, may I suggest you also read the next section of the page "Install a package from backports"? |
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| 13:10.50 | bumbar_ | Iridos, yeah, sorry, just remembered after i've message you. i've managed to screw the server yesterday, and i'm reinstalling today, just being extra careful |
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| 13:11.50 | andres_ | hi |
| 13:12.13 | andres_ | i am a hard programmer |
| 13:12.32 | andres_ | but i have more hard things |
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| 13:13.36 | andres_ | bye bye |
| 13:13.58 | at0m | :? |
| 13:14.00 | bumbar_ | judd, versions g++ |
| 13:14.01 | judd | Package: g++ on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:5.3.1-1; sid: 4:5.3.1-1; experimental: 4:6-20160101-2 |
| 13:14.05 | SynrGy | at0m: failed troll? |
| 13:14.08 | SynrGy | shrugs |
| 13:14.15 | at0m | lolol |
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| 13:14.23 | v0r0nwe | o.O |
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| 13:25.44 | bumbar_ | i need g++5 and libboost1.58, which only seem to be available in strech release, however i've read that mixing stable with testing/unstable is bad. what should i do? |
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| 13:29.58 | slax0r | why does debian symlink vi to vim? o.O |
| 13:30.35 | SynrGy | causes -v |
| 13:30.38 | SynrGy | see doc |
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| 13:31.42 | slax0r | SynrGy: that for me? |
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| 13:33.36 | SynrGy | yes. it starts it in 'vi mode' in other words |
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| 13:34.21 | slax0r | SynrGy: this makes no sense, /usr/bin/vi is literally a symlink to /etc/alternatives/vi which is a symlink to /usr/bin/vim.gnome |
| 13:34.27 | slax0r | and what if I want pure old vi? |
| 13:34.27 | SynrGy | slax0r: vim-tiny is Priority: important, so most systems have it, and vi -> vim |
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| 13:34.53 | SynrGy | so that gives you a very nice vi implementation |
| 13:34.58 | SynrGy | small, too |
| 13:35.25 | SynrGy | all vi-providing packages in debian, presumably, also use the alternatives system to make /usr/bin/vi provide the vi of your choice |
| 13:35.46 | SynrGy | but if the priorities are such that vim 'takes over', you need to manually adjust that |
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| 13:36.12 | slax0r | alright |
| 13:36.41 | SynrGy | if you feel the alternatives priorities are wrong, go find prior discussion in which those priorities were decided (or check changelogs) to see why |
| 13:36.46 | SynrGy | if it's unclear why, file a bug |
| 13:36.53 | slax0r | or, I can just install nvi ;) |
| 13:37.07 | SynrGy | if that works, yes |
| 13:37.17 | SynrGy | i thought you were complaining because you had tried it and it hadn't |
| 13:37.21 | SynrGy | not talking hypotheticals |
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| 13:38.08 | slax0r | SynrGy: no, I was just wondering how I can start vi, not vim |
| 13:38.21 | SynrGy | ok. well, the obvious answer is "install it" |
| 13:38.28 | SynrGy | if the obvious thing doesn't work *then* ask us |
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| 13:39.18 | slax0r | I did try to install "vi" but no such package exists, nvi exists though |
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| 13:41.15 | SynrGy | so is your question really "why isn't there a package named 'vi' in debian?" if so, ask your real question :) |
| 13:41.30 | SynrGy | starting with the question about the symlink was a total red herring |
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| 13:41.54 | AndreeeCZ | hi! how can i grant user 777 to a folder without the user owning the folder? |
| 13:41.57 | SynrGy | vim-tiny is debian's default implementation of vi. it's small and should work exactly as vi does. |
| 13:42.37 | SynrGy | nvi is larger than vim-tiny. i don't know how it is better. |
| 13:42.41 | darxmurf | AndreeeCZ: from your root account |
| 13:43.06 | darxmurf | and I would say it's not "user" 777 but "access rights" 777 |
| 13:43.17 | darxmurf | except if your have a user account called 777 |
| 13:43.18 | darxmurf | ? |
| 13:43.44 | SynrGy | slax0r: your system should already have vim-tiny (since it's "important") so just update-alternatives --config vi |
| 13:43.47 | AndreeeCZ | darxmurf, ok, so if the user is 'webster' but the is owned by someone else, how would i do that? |
| 13:43.55 | SynrGy | slax0r: then point it at vim-tiny instead of vim-gnome |
| 13:43.56 | AndreeeCZ | yes, access rights, sorry |
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| 13:44.28 | slax0r | SynrGy: will this make only vi run vim-tiny? |
| 13:44.48 | slax0r | because I still do want to keep vim around, since it's my main editor |
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| 13:45.33 | SynrGy | slax0r: exactly |
| 13:45.36 | SynrGy | http://paste.debian.net/370909/ |
| 13:45.44 | SynrGy | i don't understand why vim-tiny is only priority 10 |
| 13:45.53 | SynrGy | to my thinking, vim-tiny is a better choice |
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| 13:46.07 | SynrGy | might be worth filing a bug (but do see if there was prior discussion about this first) |
| 13:46.28 | slax0r | SynrGy: thanks for the help! |
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| 13:48.07 | SynrGy | slax0r: np |
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| 13:49.11 | aaronmehar | Hey Debian channel.. I was looking at this report and the last update suggests the Thawte ROOT CAs were removed from ca-certificates.. am I reading that correctly? |
| 13:49.12 | aaronmehar | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=806239 |
| 13:49.13 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/806239 in ca-certificates (closed): «ca-certificates: Contains unaudited root CAs»; severity: important; opened: 2015-11-25; last modified: 2016-01-05. |
| 13:49.52 | SynrGy | AndreeeCZ: you've already been answered: |
| 13:49.54 | aaronmehar | looking at https://www.thawte.com/roots/ they might be the old roots? |
| 13:49.59 | SynrGy | 09:42 < darxmurf> AndreeeCZ: from your root account |
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| 13:51.03 | AndreeeCZ | SynrG, i dont understand the answer, how/what from my root account? |
| 13:51.46 | SynrGy | chmod 777 nameoffolder |
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| 13:52.03 | SynrGy | i thought that was self-evident. sorry |
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| 13:52.25 | AndreeeCZ | yes but i need this for a specific user |
| 13:52.29 | SynrGy | aaronmehar: seems likely |
| 13:52.43 | SynrGy | that makes no sense |
| 13:52.47 | SynrGy | 777 affects all users |
| 13:52.52 | AndreeeCZ | so a user called john can rwx to that folder |
| 13:52.55 | AndreeeCZ | ah |
| 13:53.07 | SynrGy | so your problem statement is incorrect. |
| 13:53.17 | AndreeeCZ | yes |
| 13:53.33 | SynrGy | typically you would make a group |
| 13:53.51 | SynrGy | then make the folder owned by the group, and put 'john' in that group |
| 13:53.55 | McErroneous | does somebody know how to enable any flashplayer on etch, which would work .. |
| 13:53.59 | SynrGy | and set g+rwx on it |
| 13:54.16 | SynrGy | then john (and anyone else in the group) can rwx it |
| 13:54.25 | AndreeeCZ | SynrG, the folder is already owned by a different group |
| 13:54.37 | SynrGy | then you are out of options, except ACLs |
| 13:54.44 | AndreeeCZ | so i add the user to that group? |
| 13:54.52 | SynrGy | well, if you don't want the user in that group, no |
| 13:55.00 | AndreeeCZ | i dont mind that |
| 13:55.02 | SynrGy | because it could grant them access to other things you don't want them to have access to |
| 13:55.07 | AndreeeCZ | right |
| 13:55.17 | AndreeeCZ | ok thanks for the explanation |
| 13:55.21 | SynrGy | !acl |
| 13:55.22 | dpkg | i guess acl is Access Control List. http://acl.bestbits.at/ http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 13:55.33 | SynrGy | that's the correct solution in this situation |
| 13:55.43 | aaronmehar | this seems like a bad idea... |
| 13:56.06 | SynrGy | aaronmehar: if the ROOT CA is 'unaudited', that sounds bad |
| 13:56.25 | SynrGy | aaronmehar: i'll admit to only having skimmed that bug |
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| 13:56.50 | aaronmehar | indeed it does SynrGy but this will affect a LOT of people.. Hmm.. |
| 13:56.57 | SynrGy | aaronmehar: read comment #5 |
| 13:57.07 | SynrGy | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=806239#5 |
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| 13:57.49 | SynrGy | exposing users to risk is not good |
| 13:58.56 | aaronmehar | agreed but Thawte is not mentioned at not audting, but was listed as removed. Catch 22 now, some users will likely just disable warning, some will buy certs from somewhere else.. |
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| 13:59.57 | darxmurf | AndreeeCZ: do you want to change the owner of the folder or give access to another user to the folder ? |
| 14:01.11 | SynrGy | aaronmehar: since it's just an update to mozilla's latest bundle, i guess you need to see the changelog upstream to understand why, then |
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| 14:01.36 | SynrGy | find the change(s) removing Thawte certs and see if it explains |
| 14:02.19 | SynrGy | aaronmehar: the bug only cites examples of why ca-certificates needs updating, and does not give an exhaustive list of reasons. |
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| 14:02.46 | SynrGy | and in general, debian logs don't simply regurgitate complete changelogs of upstreams. that would be redundant. |
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| 14:02.53 | SynrGy | debian's changelogs* |
| 14:02.55 | tdn | I am trying to set up backupninja for backup to local disks. I have set up desturl as a file:///backup/foo, however, I only want the backup to run when /backup/foo is actually mounted. Appearently, this does not work. Backupninja runs and duplicity instead just starts copying backup to the root filesystem, because /backup/foo is not mounted. How do I solve this? Is this feature not supported with backupninja? |
| 14:03.03 | aaronmehar | makes sense, Ill take a look at upstream |
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| 14:07.12 | pk64 | Hi, I like Travis CI as it is a hosted CI that I can run my debian packaging through against code tests. I don't like that it uses Ubuntu server as the build environment. Is there a hosted solution that has a debian build environment to test against? |
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| 14:08.36 | nkuttler | pk64: isn't that configurable? i'd assume there is an image involved to create the os? |
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| 14:08.54 | nkuttler | oh, hosted, never mind |
| 14:08.58 | pk64 | nkuttler: I have read this: https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/ci-environment/ |
| 14:09.09 | pk64 | So I am looking for something similar but that I can build against Debian |
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| 14:16.50 | Antwuurld | I solved my display problem :) |
| 14:16.55 | Antwuurld | Now I have another problem |
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| 14:17.56 | Antwuurld | This computer I'm using has a compact flash port with a memory card in it where I want to put my installation |
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| 14:18.22 | Antwuurld | but I can't find it anywhere and the computer seems to think that it doesn't exist |
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| 14:18.57 | pk64 | This may give me a clue http://www.software.ac.uk/resources/guides/hosted-continuous-integration |
| 14:19.16 | wewlad | hello, everyone |
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| 14:19.29 | wewlad | I have a problem with scrolling contents of konsole window |
| 14:19.52 | wewlad | instead of scrolling it's contents - sometimes the windows get switched instead |
| 14:19.52 | Antwuurld | How do I get magical mystery drives to make themselves appear? |
| 14:20.07 | wewlad | like I'm hitting alt-tab instead of scrollup/down |
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| 14:20.55 | nkuttler | !tell Antwuurld about automount |
| 14:21.00 | v0r0nwe | wewlad: which terminal emulator, which desktop environment, which window manager? sounds like a misconfigured key mapping |
| 14:21.56 | wewlad | v0r0nwe: konsole, as I said. It's a KDE thing. It doesn't sound so, since scrolling may work, but if I scroll for longer than a few times in a row - windows get switching |
| 14:22.20 | wewlad | oh, actually I've noticed something more |
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| 14:22.56 | wewlad | the scrolling is totally fine if I don't move the cursor while scrolling, but if I scroll and move the cursor while I scroll - windows get switching |
| 14:23.06 | pk64 | nkuttler: Think I found something http://travis.debian.net/ |
| 14:24.12 | v0r0nwe | wewlad: sorry i'm not into kde or konsole either, i'm the wrong person to help :( as i suggested, it may be a misconfiguration in scrolling options and keymaps in kde or whatever |
| 14:24.24 | nkuttler | pk64: eh, that sounds nasty.. "A throwaway Docker image is then created containing all the required build-dependencies." |
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| 14:24.50 | nkuttler | a container inside a container.. but as long as it works i guess |
| 14:24.54 | wewlad | v0r0nwe: okay, thank you. I just wanted to try something other than xfce (as it is buggy), and picked kde to try. |
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| 14:25.24 | pk64 | idk what else is out there of course, just trying to find something comparible |
| 14:25.26 | wewlad | I guess, nothing is yet stable enough for plain desktop use, luckily it's running on a VM |
| 14:25.42 | zeeble | try cinnamon? |
| 14:26.07 | wewlad | that's something newer, it can't be more stable than something older |
| 14:26.19 | wewlad | but maybe I will, when I install my next linux |
| 14:26.19 | nkuttler | wewlad: weren't you happy with one of the *boxes? |
| 14:26.33 | v0r0nwe | wewlad: try i3 :) |
| 14:26.50 | wewlad | nkuttler: never tried them |
| 14:27.02 | rgr | thinking of getting a new laptop for debian. currently on a x121e thinkpad. Anyone here using an x250 by any chance? Results? |
| 14:27.33 | id10t | anyone know about mirroring debian with apt-mirror? netinstall disc for jessie is reporting that my mirror isn't complete/valid ... |
| 14:27.39 | nkuttler | rgr: the x121 is getting really sluggish with those modern browsers, isn't it.. |
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| 14:29.00 | Antwuurld | nkuttler: I asked debianbot about mounting things and it said ""policy mount") is an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks; e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1" |
| 14:29.35 | Antwuurld | The problem I've got is that the drive isn't even showing up, where it should be "sda2" there is nothing |
| 14:29.44 | zeeble | rgr: using a x230 right now. but i looked at support for x250 earlier. a while ago, it seemed as if you needed a newer kernel for the graphics to work at their best. |
| 14:29.47 | Antwuurld | gparted doesn't think it's there |
| 14:30.12 | nkuttler | Antwuurld: dmest | tail when you insert it, don't expect any device names |
| 14:30.33 | nkuttler | Antwuurld: dmesg | tail |
| 14:30.41 | rgr | well, its ok but using a java ide (I gave being hardcore and using emacs : its the worst modern java "ide" in the world now) id like a bit more horsepower for live code parsing and semantic analysis. Its got 8 gigs which is never used but tends to overheat a lot when running android emulators. |
| 14:30.48 | zeeble | rgr: but i think it will work fine with jessie. stinkpads are good with debian, mostly. |
| 14:30.50 | rgr | gave up |
| 14:30.54 | nkuttler | eh |
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| 14:31.10 | rgr | yeah I know. Ive used thinkpads since the x30 for web servers too ;) |
| 14:31.35 | rgr | but "think" isn't what Im asking. I can "think" and get it wrong. Was hoping for first hand experience ;) |
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| 14:32.27 | rgr | normally the worst Ive had to do is plug in a wireless usb. but the x121e one worked out of the box. |
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| 14:32.40 | zeeble | rgr: heh, i saw some pages where people put jessie on it and everything worked for them. hopefully, it is still the same :| |
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| 14:33.21 | zeeble | yeah. those days of unsupported broadcom wireless till you baked it in |
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| 14:34.00 | zeeble | wanted to get the x250 for the higher res screen & battery life, but have held back. but from a x121, will be a solid change |
| 14:34.32 | rgr | with so many arses here and on #linux proclaiming "it just works" when you know for a fact it doesn't ;) Oh not! A radeon vga card.... gulp. Thank god for motherboard hosted intel gfx now. More than enough since I dont game on Linux. |
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| 14:34.46 | rgr | sound advice. Ill spec it out I think. |
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| 14:35.37 | rgr | The x30 had a special protection circuit that stopped you changing the wireless card. a real PITA. Had to download from eprom flashing stuff to fix that! |
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| 14:36.00 | id10t | rgr - i've always had good success with Dell laptops from their "small/home office" line. The 3 year next day on site parts warranty is great too, and some can be bought with linux preinstalled |
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| 14:40.34 | rgr | id never buy one with Linux preinstalled. they charge, rightly so, a premium normally but I prefer to dual partition IF windows is already on it for excel usage. wine is as good as useless. but second hand thinkpads are a great bargain normally and these days tend to "just work". |
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| 14:42.02 | rgr | that said the i5 vs i3 comparison wasnt so compelling and the price is still pretty high. |
| 14:42.03 | id10t | rgr - the windows machines are about $50 cheaper because the various trialware companies (McAffee, etc) pay Dell or other manufacturers to preinstall their software trial versions. But yes, I just get the Windows version and wipe it |
| 14:42.07 | rgr | (for the 250) |
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| 14:42.39 | karlpinc | id10t: Either that or they're cheaper because MS's contract requires it to be so. |
| 14:42.56 | rgr | the windows ones are cheaper because windows doesn't need as much tinkering to get it to work : be realistic. they sell so few linux machines they need to boost the purchase the price to help cover the support costs. Anyone that knows Linux isn't going to buy a preinstalled one. |
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| 14:43.16 | rgr | (tinkering by end user and support ) |
| 14:44.03 | zeeble | think they put it on to let the hobbyist Linux user know that the h/w is supported. |
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| 14:45.03 | rgr | yeah that makes some sense. |
| 14:45.33 | rgr | but in fairness to Linux its keeping up pretty well. NVidia have certainly done their bit too. |
| 14:46.28 | id10t | indeed. i remember the days of having to use a Voodoo3 card and recompiling X to get it all working |
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| 14:46.49 | id10t | educational and interesting, but NOT something that I wanted to do constantly |
| 14:47.31 | nkuttler | compiling a kernel is much less fun when you don't *have* to |
| 14:48.05 | id10t | nkuttler, the kernel is no big deal compared to X (was XFree86 3.3.x) and Mesa and .... |
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| 14:48.49 | nkuttler | oh right.. i tried that once.. |
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| 14:57.16 | rgr | ;) |
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| 15:01.45 | mosasaur | I've got a http_proxy for apt-get that worked until recently, wget still works. What could have gone wrong? |
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| 15:04.01 | id10t | mosasaur, is the proxy still running? does it show if you netstat -l4n ? |
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| 15:04.08 | id10t | or -l6n if you use ipv6 |
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| 15:06.50 | mosasaur | id10t: weird, as soon as I ask here, everything works again. Sorry for bothering. |
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| 15:09.04 | id10t | mosasaur, no problem. i'm having mirror issues as well... netinstall disk says my mirror made with apt-mirror isn't valid |
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| 15:11.21 | zykotick9 | rgr: "spcial protective circuit..." <- actually it's the bios that does that on Lenovo hardware |
| 15:11.29 | rgr | wow using a voodoo 3 card. thats 1337. I had dual voodoo 2 in SLI mode just to play Unreal way back. What a game that was in the day. Still enjoyable. |
| 15:11.31 | mosasaur | id10t: ah, it could have been a temporary thing, on the other side? I guess I am lucky to not have made changes that create problems on my side ;-) trying to fix it. |
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| 15:14.04 | id10t | rgr - i bought most of the games offered by Loki Publishing - Soldier of Fortune, Descent3d, Mechwarrior, etc. Still have an unopened Quake3 Linux Edition in the l33t tin :) |
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| 15:18.43 | id10t | bbiaf... coffee and smoke time |
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| 15:19.00 | bumbar_ | will installing from squeeze backport (i'm on jessie) cause any problems? |
| 15:19.22 | Zeurt | hi, to close my ssh multiplex connection I have to ctrl+d and ctrl+c, any tips to make it close with ctrl+d only ? |
| 15:20.34 | Antwuurld | I found out that the drive mounting problem I've been having is because of the compact flash port, and not the memory card that's inserted |
| 15:20.44 | Antwuurld | what can I do to fix it? |
| 15:20.58 | Antwuurld | I've looked through system monitor and I can't tell if the CF port's even there |
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| 15:22.47 | Zeurt | got it ~ + . |
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| 15:30.30 | rgr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.26 | greycat | Woah, did I step into a time warp? |
| 15:31.27 | SynrGy | tdn: i was interested in your backupninja problem but then got called away by something else. it seems this user has solved it by creating a custom handler (the article describes it as a solution for samba, but seems to address your general class of problem): http://www.zeitoun.net/articles/how-to-backupninja-samba-share/start |
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| 15:31.50 | Antwuurld | linux gaming is moving on up |
| 15:32.20 | Antwuurld | srs bizness games are more and more coming to linux, while windooz gaming is moving more and more towards casual mobile gaming |
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| 15:32.52 | tokage | Antwuurld: blizness? |
| 15:32.54 | rgr | yeah sure. Whatever. Total nonsense. Linux still has less than single figure home user base. |
| 15:33.04 | rgr | Steam boxes are proven failure to date. |
| 15:33.12 | rgr | I wish it were not so. |
| 15:33.13 | Antwuurld | gog.com supports linux |
| 15:33.21 | rgr | so what? |
| 15:33.30 | Antwuurld | Creative Assembly & whoever developed football manager... sports interactive |
| 15:33.52 | SynrGy | where's the debian support question in this? seems like a conversation for #debian-offtopic |
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| 15:33.59 | rgr | if you want to play second rate indi junk or the one in 100 top rated games then fine. personally I gave up on the PC HW cycle and use Linux for work but PS4 for gaming. |
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| 15:34.41 | Antwuurld | Alright well I'll say this last thing: the main thing standing in the way of linux gaming, aside from the "year of the linux desktop" meme, is japanese developers not supporting linux |
| 15:34.53 | rgr | its as on topic as anything else while no one else is here asking real questions. relax. |
| 15:35.21 | Antwuurld | their western arms (creative assembly and sports interactive, for Sega) are linux-supporting. The japs aren't, though. |
| 15:35.24 | rgr | the main thing in the way of Linux is next to zero user base and of those almost none wanting to part with any cash. Anyway, that'll do on that subject. |
| 15:35.35 | rgr | ciao for now. |
| 15:35.42 | tokage | the only reason why steam has so many linux games is unity which doesn't even run good on linux |
| 15:36.18 | tokage | and most of these games are indie anyway |
| 15:36.52 | Antwuurld | I hope it will improve with AMD Zen, but since they sacked the only people working on coreboot it doesn't look good for decent open source driver development |
| 15:37.54 | Antwuurld | Anyway I do have a problem to talk about here and if you could solve it for me I'd be... what's a suitable American-ism? |
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| 15:38.03 | Antwuurld | "It's be absolutely awesome radical" |
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| 15:38.35 | Antwuurld | you'd never know I'm not American now :) |
| 15:38.45 | zeeble | nice. that rgr guy was using emacs to irc ;) |
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| 15:38.59 | Antwuurld | "for the love of god why" |
| 15:39.00 | zeeble | should have asked him if he used gnus for email |
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| 15:39.58 | Antwuurld | I have a thin client, it's called the "Netvoyager LX 1022". It has VIA Eden @ 1Ghz and VIA north/southbridge that handles all of the ports on the thing |
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| 15:40.27 | Antwuurld | anyway, it has a CompactFlash port which I'm trying to use in place of a hard drive (since it has no other way to take data storage) |
| 15:40.33 | SynrGy | jftr, rgr is wrong. it's not suitable "when nothing else is happening" to do extensive off-topic chat here |
| 15:40.51 | Antwuurld | but that compactflash port is not recognized by the livecd image that I've put onto USB and booted from |
| 15:40.58 | Antwuurld | how do I troubleshoot this thing? |
| 15:41.04 | SynrGy | helpers monitor this window for support questions and find it hard to sift out the support from the social chat when the backlog is full of this stuff |
| 15:41.51 | SynrGy | Antwuurld: is that a pci device? |
| 15:41.56 | SynrGy | do you know its pciid? |
| 15:42.11 | Antwuurld | I looked in system monitor and there's a bunch of PCI things in there |
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| 15:42.21 | Antwuurld | how I'm supposed to tell which thing is related to compactflash I've no idea |
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| 15:42.30 | SynrGy | you probably know the vendor |
| 15:42.32 | SynrGy | lspci -nn |
| 15:42.41 | Antwuurld | I've been told by http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/PCMCIA-HOWTO-4.html that it comes up under PCMCIA |
| 15:42.48 | SynrGy | huh? |
| 15:42.54 | SynrGy | how ancient is your system? |
| 15:43.20 | Antwuurld | old enough to be "end of life", but new enough to have gigabit LAN and DDR2 |
| 15:43.23 | alicouscous | !list |
| 15:43.24 | dpkg | alicouscous: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.2.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 15:43.40 | SynrGy | Antwuurld: i haven't heard of anything new(ish) with pcmcia |
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| 15:44.45 | SynrGy | Antwuurld: like, the last decade or slightly longer |
| 15:44.46 | Antwuurld | this is what I'm using: http://www.netvoyager.co.uk/products/lx1022.html |
| 15:45.15 | greycat | Your version of linux-image-3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3) is newer |
| 15:45.15 | greycat | than that in Debian! Do you still want to file a report [y|N|q|?]? |
| 15:45.26 | shingouz | Antwuurld: the cf should show up as a hard drive. /dev/sdX or something. check your dmesg |
| 15:45.26 | greycat | um... what |
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| 15:46.14 | Antwuurld | I googled "dmesg" and the advice I got was that it gets overwritten by other stuff in the log when I started opening applications |
| 15:46.48 | Antwuurld | I can go and try it anyway.. I'm fresh out of ideas anyhow |
| 15:46.48 | SynrGy | Antwuurld: but a snapshot of dmesg should be saved in /var/log/dmesg at boot time |
| 15:46.57 | SynrGy | may be too early |
| 15:47.04 | SynrGy | you could do a fresh boot. |
| 15:47.07 | Antwuurld | the system's been on for an hour |
| 15:47.21 | SynrGy | the dmesg ring buffer is usually big enough for that |
| 15:47.22 | Antwuurld | I've pulled the CF card out and put it back in twice already as well |
| 15:47.27 | shingouz | it also magically shows any freshly plugged in cf-cards... |
| 15:47.30 | Antwuurld | apparently wasn't supposed to do that... |
| 15:47.48 | Antwuurld | back in 5, checking /var/log/dmesg |
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| 15:49.44 | id10t | Antwuurld, tail -f /var/log/dmesg and keep it open in a term while you plug the card(s) in |
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| 15:53.30 | SynrGy | Antwuurld, id10t: no. tailing that log will do *nothing* |
| 15:53.37 | SynrGy | i said it is a snapshot of early boot |
| 15:53.45 | SynrGy | don't use that instead of the 'dmesg' command |
| 15:54.04 | SynrGy | i was specifically referring to Antwuurld complaining the messages were "overwritten by later messages" |
| 15:54.36 | SynrGy | that seems highly unlikely after a fresh boot (or even after only an hour of uptime) |
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| 16:06.00 | Antwuurld | alright well I've got some erm... 'information' |
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| 16:06.37 | Antwuurld | the file was very large so I've got a snippet of dmesg here: http://pastebin.com/R2AzvPNd |
| 16:06.50 | Antwuurld | Am I supposed to find any of it enlightening? |
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| 16:07.58 | TandyUK2 | hey guys, what was the last version of debian with a 2.x kernel? |
| 16:08.28 | greycat | With a 2.x kernel as an option, or with a 2.x kernel installed by default? |
| 16:08.31 | TandyUK2 | clearly im not aSKING GOOGLE THE RIGHT QUESTION AS IT JUST GIVES ME A BILLION DOWNLOADS FOR KERNEL-BLAH |
| 16:08.41 | TandyUK2 | sorry hate this keyboard lol |
| 16:08.49 | TandyUK2 | 2.x installed |
| 16:08.55 | SynrGy | Antwuurld: try: dmesg |grep -i '\[sd' |
| 16:09.02 | TandyUK2 | basically im trying to rescue a asterisk 1.4 system with zaptel |
| 16:09.07 | TandyUK2 | and zaptel wont configure on 3.x |
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| 16:09.43 | greycat | Squeeze had 2.6.32, it says on http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a |
| 16:11.31 | Antwuurld | right, back in a few minutes again |
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| 16:16.50 | SynrGy | ummm |
| 16:17.04 | SynrGy | Antwuurld: you don't use a debian kernel. you seem to use 'antix' |
| 16:17.07 | SynrGy | we don't support that here. |
| 16:17.30 | SynrGy | Antwuurld: if you must use a live image, please use a debian one |
| 16:17.45 | SynrGy | if you insist on using antix, ask antix for support, not us. |
| 16:17.47 | SynrGy | !antix |
| 16:17.47 | dpkg | antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. http://antix.mepis.org/ #mepis on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
| 16:18.04 | Antwuurld | SynrGr: AntiX IRC channel contains 3 people, including me. |
| 16:18.10 | Antwuurld | it's based on debian-stable |
| 16:18.12 | SynrGy | so sad. but we can't help that. |
| 16:18.14 | Antwuurld | there's nothing more I could do |
| 16:18.31 | SynrGy | use Debian |
| 16:18.39 | SynrGy | !based on debian |
| 16:18.39 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 16:19.25 | Antwuurld | alright. what do you suggest besides "piss off m8" |
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| 16:19.33 | SynrGy | i already suggested it. |
| 16:19.37 | SynrGy | 12:17 < SynrGy> Antwuurld: if you must use a live image, please use a debian one |
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| 16:19.52 | Antwuurld | dmesg |grep -i '\[sd' showed nothing new: http://pastebin.com/DfztNEWw |
| 16:19.57 | SynrGy | http://www.debian.org/CD/live |
| 16:20.12 | SynrGy | i'm no longer interested in your dmesg output, since it's not from debian. it tells us nothing |
| 16:20.17 | at0m | Antwuurld: this is #debian, and you're not using it. |
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| 16:20.33 | Antwuurld | at0m: where do I go with this? |
| 16:20.51 | at0m | Antwuurld: i used to run 'debian-based' before i switched to debian. cos support. |
| 16:21.24 | Antwuurld | but the hardware I'm running this off of requires the most lightweight distribution I can successfully install by myself |
| 16:21.27 | at0m | and eventually all that debian-based extra's i could do with debian. so i don't see the use for -based. |
| 16:21.32 | SynrGy | Antwuurld: right. that's debian. |
| 16:21.34 | Antwuurld | ruling out gentoo and slackware, this was what I was left with |
| 16:21.41 | SynrGy | how is debian not lightweight? |
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| 16:22.00 | Antwuurld | antiX comes with IceWM out of the box. It does not have systemd |
| 16:22.07 | SynrGy | !release notes |
| 16:22.07 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>. |
| 16:22.13 | greycat | maybe he's using one of those distributions that strips out the locales and the man pages, so 3 years later he can come here and ask where the man pages are |
| 16:22.16 | SynrGy | ^ explains how to not have systemd, "out of the box" |
| 16:22.27 | jelly | SynrGy: when you have 8MiB of flash for the OS, "easily" not lightweight |
| 16:22.27 | SynrGy | install a base system, add Xorg and icewm yourself. |
| 16:23.07 | Antwuurld | I'd like to avoid the terminal if I can help it |
| 16:23.07 | SynrGy | jelly: is that what we're talking about here? if antix fits in 8MiB flash with Xorg plus icewm, i'm seriously impressed. |
| 16:23.20 | SynrGy | overly constrained problem. |
| 16:23.27 | Antwuurld | I tried Slitaz before I tried AntiX |
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| 16:23.34 | Antwuurld | Slitaz is 35MB |
| 16:23.43 | TandyUK2 | if the kernel fits on an 8mb flash im impressed |
| 16:23.45 | Antwuurld | AntiX is over a GB |
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| 16:23.59 | SynrGy | debian can be tiny. |
| 16:24.01 | jelly | Antwuurld: what are your limits? |
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| 16:24.12 | SynrGy | install a base system, add Xorg and icewm, and you're golden. |
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| 16:24.23 | at0m | raspbian basic netinstall is in the order of 30MB |
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| 16:24.38 | Antwuurld | jelly: hardware is old, I'm about as good with software as I am at selecting which handbag a lady would like |
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| 16:24.51 | SynrGy | choose a new hobby, then. |
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| 16:24.57 | Antwuurld | hahaha |
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| 16:25.12 | jelly | SynrGy: last time I checked release notes did not specify how to avoid systemd at install time, did that change? |
| 16:25.16 | SynrGy | installing modern linux on exotic/ancient hardware is not for the faint of heart |
| 16:25.17 | Antwuurld | but how can I have FreedomTM if I do not force it upon myself? |
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| 16:25.41 | TandyUK2 | why not just install ancient linux, and not connect it to the net |
| 16:25.47 | TandyUK2 | if the hardware is that ancient |
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| 16:25.49 | greycat | tinkering with minimalist computers is not "Freedom(tm)" |
| 16:25.50 | SynrGy | jelly: hm? has been there since initial jessie release ... |
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| 16:25.59 | jelly | SynrGy: where? |
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| 16:26.08 | Antwuurld | The problem is this thin client only having a Compact Flash port |
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| 16:26.35 | Antwuurld | it has a SATA port for some reason, but was not officially supported by the netvoyager people who shipped it, and it has no SATA power connector on the board |
| 16:26.35 | jelly | SynrGy: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system only talks about upgrades |
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| 16:26.44 | SynrGy | that's only one section |
| 16:26.55 | Antwuurld | there's devuan, but that's "in development" still |
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| 16:28.31 | jelly | SynrGy: and I think we had that particular point brought up once before |
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| 16:29.13 | Antwuurld | I just want to know where I can get support if not here |
| 16:29.44 | greycat | It's not our place to tell you where to get support for your non-Debian products. |
| 16:29.59 | Antwuurld | I don't think switching distributions would solve my problem for that matter. I could live boot Lubuntu instead but I'd still get no compact flash showing up |
| 16:30.01 | greycat | In a few cases we might happen to know, but there are a zillion things. |
| 16:30.32 | Antwuurld | I'm out of my depth with this kind of thing which is why I picked a distro that had GUI installer |
| 16:30.46 | greycat | Well that's just plain dumb. |
| 16:31.00 | greycat | If the fundamental issue is a minimal hardware config, use a minimal installer. |
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| 16:31.42 | SynrGy | Antwuurld: all we can say is we *can* help with Debian. an LXDE live image would be roughly equivalent to live Lubuntu |
| 16:31.56 | SynrGy | Antwuurld: i gave you the link already to debian live images |
| 16:32.05 | SynrGy | Antwuurld: download and boot the LXDE one, and we can help with it |
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| 16:32.24 | SynrGy | for anything else, we really can't advise |
| 16:33.12 | Antwuurld | I don't know if I can come back with a debian live image, have it boot properly, and still find somebody in debian support who has a general knowledge of compact flash problems... |
| 16:33.39 | Antwuurld | but my options now don't look so wide open |
| 16:34.14 | jelly | SynrGy: install guide pdf contains no mention of word "sysvinit" and only two of "systemd", both not relevant. release notes pdf has more, but no instructions on how to install jessie with sysvinit as /sbin/init |
| 16:34.39 | Antwuurld | devuan guides will explain it a little better perhaps |
| 16:35.01 | Antwuurld | I wouldn't attempt to do anything too ambitious though. I only mess with software out of necessity, not pleasure. |
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| 16:35.45 | Antwuurld | I just want freedom what Richard Stallman tells me to have :) |
| 16:36.23 | greycat | Then buy a real computer from this decade. |
| 16:36.30 | greycat | And install Debian. Tada! |
| 16:36.32 | SynrGy | there's always: |
| 16:36.34 | SynrGy | !remove systemd |
| 16:36.34 | dpkg | To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc> |
| 16:36.46 | SynrGy | or you can go the preseed route |
| 16:37.02 | SynrGy | i honestly thought that was in the release notes, but it appears i'm wrong |
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| 16:37.31 | SynrGy | also, am multitasking, so 3 times, tried to look this up and 3 times got interrupted by something higher priority. so ... sorry for the late response. |
| 16:37.50 | SynrGy | jelly: ^^ |
| 16:38.18 | SynrGy | jelly: the release notes links to the wiki, and the wiki has it at: |
| 16:38.19 | SynrGy | https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd |
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| 16:39.11 | SynrGy | jelly: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#systemd "For more information on this topic, see the Debian wiki. |
| 16:39.11 | jelly | SynrGy: yeah. "go read the wiki" isn't what official docs should say. |
| 16:39.19 | SynrGy | i know. but ... |
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| 16:39.31 | SynrGy | if you care about it so much, file a bug on the release notes :) |
| 16:39.34 | jelly | and it's not mentioned _at all_ in install guide |
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| 16:39.50 | jelly | such a bug has been filed since 2014-ish, CBA to look it up |
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| 16:40.02 | SynrGy | so let's make a factoid for now to make up for the doc deficiencies |
| 16:40.03 | jelly | it was during the rages so... ignored |
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| 16:40.49 | SynrGy | done |
| 16:40.52 | SynrGy | !install without systemd |
| 16:40.52 | dpkg | https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd |
| 16:40.59 | SynrGy | feel free to embellish |
| 16:41.19 | SynrGy | (and xref from other factoids, if you feel so inclined) |
| 16:41.28 | Antwuurld | can't you just copy-paste from what the devuan devs tell you to do? |
| 16:41.55 | jelly | that's fine |
| 16:42.16 | SynrGy | what's fine? my factoid or Antwuurld's plan? |
| 16:42.17 | jelly | Antwuurld: they do tons of other stuff that's not necessary from a technical standpoint |
| 16:42.22 | SynrGy | yeah |
| 16:42.22 | jelly | the factoid |
| 16:42.27 | SynrGy | thanks for clarification :) |
| 16:43.06 | jelly | notice that release notes authors cherry-picked the upgrade recipe, but forgot about the clean install http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/How_to_stay_with_sysvinit_in_Debian_Jessie.html |
| 16:43.12 | SynrGy | Antwuurld: from my perspective, Devuan are religious fanatics. i can't begin to understand their religion, so i couldn't in good conscience, recommend you to follow it |
| 16:43.26 | SynrGy | ^^ my personal opinion, not to be misconstrued as "#debian says" |
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| 16:43.54 | jelly | I chose to stay with sysvinit for technical reasons (read: too lazy to investigate all the gotchas at the time) |
| 16:44.48 | Antwuurld | SynrGy: My priorities are ease of use, lightweightness, and freedom from social justice & codes of conducts |
| 16:44.52 | Antwuurld | in order of importance |
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| 16:45.56 | dAnjou | hi, can i somehow see which packages are from which repo (e.g. from stable or sid)? |
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| 16:46.31 | SynrGy | Antwuurld: i'm confused. you want a distribution that doesn't care about social injustice and doesn't rebuke poisonous people who are harming the community? |
| 16:46.42 | SynrGy | ... |
| 16:46.49 | SynrGy | (maybe i misread a word?) |
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| 16:47.44 | greycat | I think there was an extra negative in there or something. I'm hoping there was. |
| 16:48.23 | Antwuurld | hahaha |
| 16:48.25 | jelly | dAnjou: there's no easy way to know that after they're installed. |
| 16:48.33 | Antwuurld | I'm thoroughly meritocratic |
| 16:49.01 | dAnjou | jelly: hmm, thanks |
| 16:49.01 | Antwuurld | I've seen the way github removed their rug because it triggered people, the way node.js devs banned a user for posting an eggplant emoji...l |
| 16:49.10 | jelly | dAnjou: however the tools can take a guess, read /msg dpkg which repo |
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| 16:49.35 | Antwuurld | the way that mozilla changed their file extension from .bro to .br because it triggered people |
| 16:49.52 | Antwuurld | ohh and their lead developer got the sack for supporting some anti-gay marriage bill |
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| 16:50.28 | SynrGy | Antwuurld: debian is huge and diverse. this means that if you are easily offended, debian will find a way to offend you, one way or another. |
| 16:50.54 | Antwuurld | Yep, well... how much of debian's budget gets spent on the women's outreach program? |
| 16:50.55 | jelly | Antwuurld: we may offend you by applying our code of conduct, for example! |
| 16:50.55 | SynrGy | on the flip side, it means, we'll happily support you, even if you don't like everything we do |
| 16:51.10 | jelly | lo, budget |
| 16:51.10 | greycat | Yeaaah, trolldar is going off heavily now. |
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| 16:51.29 | jelly | Antwuurld: best stick to the technical issues in here |
| 16:51.31 | Antwuurld | I don't mind being offended, but censored or banned... I mean, I don't trust people who censor me with my computer |
| 16:51.32 | centrx | It is funny that the women's outreach program bankrupted the Gnome foundation, really stupid |
| 16:51.33 | SynrGy | ahem. yes. sorry for contributing ... |
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| 16:51.37 | Antwuurld | I don't trust Bill Gates with it |
| 16:51.57 | Antwuurld | If you want women into computing, start when they're younger |
| 16:52.07 | at0m | so anyone have debian issues |
| 16:52.11 | centrx | !ask |
| 16:52.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:52.44 | Antwuurld | right, right, thanks for the help anyhow. I'm going to register on AntiX forums and try to get some support that way. |
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| 16:53.00 | okee | I lost my directory tree when opening the home folder, and now only see things that are on the drive that I am currently running, as opposed to the entire computer. How do I bring back the directory tree, so that I can see my non-linux drives? |
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| 16:53.28 | Antwuurld | again, thanks |
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| 16:55.16 | mosasaur | okee: if you have a command prompt and a filemanager, f.e. nautilus, try "nautilus /" |
| 16:55.19 | okee | I am running Debian Linux stable wheezy |
| 16:57.40 | markybob | okee, that's not stable. jessie is stable. wheezy is oldstable |
| 16:57.49 | okee | mosasaur> I brought up Nautilus, and everything shows up, but how do I get this tree to show up in the "home" folder? |
| 16:58.17 | okee | markybob> Thank yor for the clarification. Ancient history was never one of my strong points :) |
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| 17:00.04 | mosasaur | okee: press f9 |
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| 17:01.13 | rgr | any recommendations for a file browser over pcmanfm? Im using xmonad and a touch of xfce so dont really want any gnome heavy widget central bloatware browser. |
| 17:01.32 | greycat | ls? |
| 17:01.36 | okee | mosasaur> OK, that brought it up, but the icons are BIG.... How do I make the icons smaller? |
| 17:02.01 | mosasaur | okee: switch to nemo /s |
| 17:02.49 | okee | mosasaur> Is that done through the command prompt? |
| 17:02.51 | mosasaur | that was a joke |
| 17:03.19 | rgr | heh. mm xfe looks nice. |
| 17:04.11 | mosasaur | okee: sorry, nemo is a different filemanager, spinoff from nautilus |
| 17:04.55 | okee | mosasaur> I just figured it out, and just needed to change a setting in view, making the list to show up as "detailed list". |
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| 17:07.25 | finetundra2234 | Hey folks, when I'm looking at a command and I see localhost, do I replace localhost with something or do I leave it as is? |
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| 17:08.37 | jelly | mosasaur: can't find nemo on my system |
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| 17:08.50 | jelly | hides |
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| 17:08.53 | SynrGy | finetundra2234: localhost is not metasyntactic. it refers to a real thing |
| 17:09.06 | finetundra2234 | SynrGy: so what would I need to place there? |
| 17:09.14 | SynrGy | it is *NOT* metasyntactic |
| 17:09.26 | jelly | finetundra2234: that means "leave it as is" |
| 17:09.32 | SynrGy | it means, literally, 'localhost'. nothing more, nothing less :) |
| 17:09.52 | finetundra2234 | jelly: SynrGy just answered my question |
| 17:10.32 | SynrGy | swears off using big words like 'metasyntactic' |
| 17:10.34 | jelly | cookies all around |
| 17:10.50 | SynrGy | one sound-thing words from now on |
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| 17:11.47 | SynrGy | round sweet bread things |
| 17:12.02 | SynrGy | yum! |
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| 17:14.21 | ChrisH | SynrGy: debian uses apt! <duck-and-cover> |
| 17:14.37 | bblindy | Smooooooth |
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| 17:16.43 | SynrGy | ChrisH: :| |
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| 17:41.58 | ksx4system | what was Debian branding package name? I want to uninstall it |
| 17:42.28 | ksx4system | desktop-base maybe? |
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| 17:45.31 | enty | my intuition says "not desktop-base", but I have no idea |
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| 17:47.42 | babilen | ksx4system: Indeed -- but won't you miss the swirl!? |
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| 17:50.01 | ksx4system | babilen, I will miss the swirl but now it associates with systemd :( |
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| 17:50.46 | babilen | What? |
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| 17:53.37 | Anderson69s | i all, how are you? I just upgrade my debian Jessie on my latop and now i have no more x11 session any idea? |
| 17:53.56 | dimitry7 | Hi guys, I reinstalled systemd yesterday and now postgres wont start |
| 17:53.59 | dimitry7 | what can i do? |
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| 17:54.46 | greycat | check systemctl status postgresql.service (or something similar) and see what the errors are |
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| 18:05.35 | otyugh | hey |
| 18:05.49 | otyugh | considering a laptop with a dead integred GPU |
| 18:06.06 | otyugh | is there a way to use it still or is it damned ? |
| 18:06.32 | otyugh | well damned to tty and texte/terminal. |
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| 18:07.02 | otyugh | because I guess Xorg can't work without GPU unless burning 100% of the cpu, right ? |
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| 18:11.54 | finetundra2234 | Hey folks, I'm trying to forward audio over ssh. Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 18:19.42 | detai | hello |
| 18:20.28 | detai | FYI: Ikokia is AN ASSHOLE on a POWER TRIP, Ohhh No I used all caps AGAIN!!! ohh what will I do next? |
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| 18:20.58 | Mathisen | finetundra2234 >> paprefs |
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| 18:24.05 | atralheaven | when a user is locked with "passwd -l user" and then unlocked with "passwd -u user" will user's password still remain? or it will be removed? |
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| 18:24.23 | greycat | It should be unchanged. |
| 18:24.27 | greycat | I haven't tested it, though... |
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| 18:25.27 | karlpinc | I tested it. But about 10 years ago. |
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| 18:25.51 | atralheaven | karlpinc: I will test it on vm :)) |
| 18:25.56 | atralheaven | btw |
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| 18:26.17 | sweb | is team password manager good solution for enterprise ? |
| 18:26.31 | rgr | you could use it via ssh for "something" .. maybe configure it as a remote mysql server or web server or something. but seriously.. I wouldnt bother. |
| 18:26.46 | rgr | x over ssh a poss too. |
| 18:26.49 | rgr | (sorry if double sent there - noticed my irc connection had dropped after Id replied) |
| 18:26.53 | rgr | ) |
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| 18:27.51 | atralheaven | I hear sound of laptop fan frequently, it wasn't like this on ubuntu or windows, I hear that sound when something is being done on laptop like opening a file etc. can it be solved? |
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| 18:29.14 | karlpinc | atralheaven: Possibly check to see if it needs some non-free firmware. |
| 18:29.34 | karlpinc | atralheaven: Or even just some fan control package. |
| 18:30.15 | atralheaven | karlpinc: I don't know where this sound is coming from, I don't know which fan it is |
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| 18:30.59 | karlpinc | atralheaven: You could start by googling your make and model and "fan" and "linux". |
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| 18:31.25 | tme5 | atralheaven, as in, the fan speeds up? |
| 18:31.26 | atralheaven | karlpinc: good idea! |
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| 18:31.52 | atralheaven | tme5: the sound is like the fan starts working |
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| 18:32.29 | tme5 | i've had issues with hard drive spinup but not fan |
| 18:32.33 | greycat | I'm sure it's the fan kicking in (or kicking up a notch) in response to load/demand. |
| 18:32.33 | tme5 | brb |
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| 18:34.58 | atralheaven | im not sure its fan sound, at least it like a fan sound! |
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| 18:35.39 | atralheaven | there are some delays with this sound on system, like a delay to open something, then this sound, and it opens |
| 18:35.43 | Sovereignenty | what paste bin is used here |
| 18:35.47 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 18:35.55 | abrotman | see /topic |
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| 18:42.52 | winsen1 | Hi all |
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| 18:50.37 | dimitry7 | why messages isn't logging anything? |
| 18:50.52 | dimitry7 | i've enabled cron logs and they aren't been logged either |
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| 18:56.28 | abrotman | dimitry7: what is your syslog setting? |
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| 18:57.26 | winsen1 | Hi all |
| 18:57.30 | greycat | Is rsyslogd actually running? |
| 18:58.09 | winsen1 | I had a problem to install Gbrainy, can you please tell me how can I fix this issue? http://paste.debian.net/371572/ |
| 18:59.06 | greycat | winsen1: what did you do to your sources.list? |
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| 19:01.58 | winsen1 | greycat: nothing why? |
| 19:02.14 | greycat | Then whoever gave you this computer broke its sources.list. Good luck straightening it out. |
| 19:02.46 | winsen1 | greycat: why don't you tell me what's wrong with sources.list? |
| 19:03.00 | greycat | Because you haven't shown us what it contains. |
| 19:04.14 | greycat | Clearly you added *something* to get a package with a name like GBrainy (capital letters are not a Debian thing). While you were doing that, you probably modified something that broke the dependencies of google-chrome-stable. |
| 19:04.59 | greycat | (which, in addition, generally likes to add its own separate /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ file) |
| 19:05.13 | winsen1 | greycat: ok, what makes you say there's a problem with sources.list.? |
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| 19:05.40 | greycat | The fact that you won't show it just confirms that it's not a Debian sources.list file. |
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| 19:08.43 | de-facto | how can i install lua-feeds on debian? |
| 19:09.01 | at0m | ,v lua-feeds |
| 19:09.03 | judd | No package named 'lua-feeds' was found in amd64. |
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| 19:15.35 | winsen1 | http://paste.debian.net/371618/ |
| 19:15.55 | winsen1 | greycat: here you have the result |
| 19:16.05 | ipso | I have a raw partition that is assigned to a virtual machine, however when I did an apt-get upgrade (which upgraded the kernel, grub, and QEMU), the host tried to mount the raw partition which was already mounted by a VM, causing all kinds of problems. Is there a way to tell the host system to never mount/probe a specific drive/partition? |
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| 19:16.20 | tme5 | is there a message/tell bot here? to leave a PM for a user |
| 19:16.44 | winsen1 | greycat: what's wrong in "sources.list"? |
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| 19:17.04 | blind | packages.linuxmint.com ??? |
| 19:17.49 | teward | winsen1: looks like you've got Linux Mint repositories in your system - that will cause some breakages |
| 19:18.13 | towo` | frankendebian |
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| 19:19.10 | winsen1 | teward: I removed that repositories |
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| 19:20.19 | winsen1 | teward: but I still have the same error |
| 19:20.54 | mtn | winsen1: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 19:21.00 | mtn | winsen1: it is now broken :( |
| 19:21.01 | winsen1 | teward: I used to install softwares without any problem |
| 19:21.34 | winsen1 | mtn: what is broken? |
| 19:21.35 | manaia | if i change to every file's ownership to my username (instead of root), will this be a problem on an another machine with different username? |
| 19:21.50 | mtn | winsen1: your package system. read the link |
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| 19:25.07 | winsen1 | mtn: and? |
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| 19:26.35 | greycat | manaia: every file on the entire DISK? Yes. Yes, that will break things even on your current system, let alone a different system. |
| 19:26.59 | tme5 | ^ although i believe owners are recorded by UID and not username |
| 19:27.25 | greycat | that's correct |
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| 19:28.02 | greycat | manaia: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 19:28.17 | Alina-malina | anyone had this issue before? http://pastebin.com/daNjdFfb i have pcre installed and linked, but i still get this error |
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| 19:28.43 | greycat | winsen1: at this point your only hope is to figure out what things you installed from linuxmint, and remove them all. If one of those things is a mission-critical package like libc6, then there is no supportable solution. |
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| 19:29.50 | manaia | greycat: no, not entire disk /media/user/outside-hdd |
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| 19:30.12 | manaia | i needed to change to copy from one external hdd to other |
| 19:30.16 | manaia | is this ok? |
| 19:30.55 | greycat | manaia: What kind of file system is on this device? |
| 19:31.15 | greycat | And what kind of file system is on the intended destination? |
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| 19:31.49 | winsen1 | greycat: I downloaded iso file from linuxmint website that's all. do you think it has to do with issue? |
| 19:32.17 | manaia | it's fat32 i guess |
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| 19:32.26 | manaia | i just want to make it plug-and-play |
| 19:32.29 | greycat | If it's FAT32 you can just mount it with -o uid=yourname |
| 19:32.50 | greycat | Then all of the files will *show up* as owned by you without actually modifying the file system (which you can't do anyway, because FAT has no ownerships.) |
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| 19:34.48 | manaia | sorry, i checked it, its 83 type linux |
| 19:35.08 | blind | winsen1: a Linux Mint repository was in your sources.list, so your apt-get was using things from Linux Mint. So you have a system with mixed packages from Debian and Linux Mint. |
| 19:35.14 | greycat | Then do the copy as root. |
| 19:35.25 | manaia | (it's working know) i just worried that i cant access with other device |
| 19:35.44 | manaia | i mean *now |
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| 19:40.34 | winsen1 | blind: thanks, your answer makes sense. but what makes say that my system is using both without installing any program/software from linuxmint? |
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| 19:41.09 | greycat | What makes us say that? We can see it from your error messages. |
| 19:41.18 | greycat | You have dependency errors that should not exist. |
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| 19:41.30 | blind | winsen1: anytime you did an apt-get install of any software, it would have used packages - either the one you specified to install or dependencies - from their repositories. |
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| 19:41.36 | blind | you wouldn't even be completely aware of this |
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| 19:41.54 | mitchreward | hi, how would you detect keyboard input or rather no new keyboard input with /dev/input/event0 |
| 19:42.00 | mitchreward | cant find good doc |
| 19:42.22 | mitchreward | (event0 = keyboard) on my system |
| 19:42.33 | greycat | mitchreward: eh, use the facilities of whatever programming language you are actually dealing with to determine whether stdin has input waiting. |
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| 19:43.49 | tme5 | well, stdin is usually line-buffered |
| 19:43.58 | mitchreward | greycat, am goig with golang, and am trying to detect a input that could be outside the scope of my program |
| 19:44.02 | greycat | tme5: Depends on a large number of factors. |
| 19:44.18 | greycat | I don't know anything about golang; you might have to ask a golang channel. |
| 19:44.36 | winsen1 | blind: ok, you mean every 'apt-get install of any software, that could be from linuxmint can work with debian system? |
| 19:44.54 | blind | no, it can't, and that's where your problem comes in. |
| 19:45.06 | mitchreward | yeah but my question was more focused oh the system than a specific language method |
| 19:45.30 | mitchreward | you can't md5 on it, it's not a regular file |
| 19:45.39 | greycat | mitchreward: I will given an example, then. In bash 4.something, you can detect whether stdin has input waiting by doing a "read -t 0". |
| 19:45.50 | greycat | mitchreward: you will have to figure out the golang equivalent. |
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| 19:46.30 | winsen1 | greycat: I am sorry but I am a bit confused. because I added that repository last year and from that time I installed many things from that time and I had no problems till now!? |
| 19:46.41 | greycat | ... bash 4.0 added it, to be precise. |
| 19:46.49 | tme5 | winsen1, it may not break immediately |
| 19:46.52 | mitchreward | greycat, yeah, but tour read -t 0, expect the stdin comming to your shell script. Imagine that you run this same script as a daemon. I thinks it will not take input |
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| 19:47.01 | mitchreward | greycat, see what I mean ? |
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| 19:47.09 | greycat | mitchreward: What are you trying to do? |
| 19:47.14 | greycat | No, I do not. |
| 19:47.15 | mitchreward | or maybe am on the wrong way |
| 19:47.20 | tme5 | but dependency problems can arise, and have done |
| 19:47.24 | winsen1 | tme5: I am sorry but I am not convinced |
| 19:47.39 | blind | winsen1: then there is nothing more we can do for you. |
| 19:47.40 | towo` | winsen1, it not supportable anymore |
| 19:47.42 | mitchreward | greycat, I've a pretty bugged bios on a laptop, that send fake input and wakeup |
| 19:47.52 | greycat | A *daemon* should not be fucking with keyboard input. |
| 19:47.57 | mitchreward | greycat, my system during ssuspend in ram |
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| 19:48.31 | mitchreward | and I'd like to detect real activity |
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| 19:48.44 | mitchreward | in kinda daemon |
| 19:48.48 | winsen1 | blind: so the best thing to do is to reinstall the debian system, is that what recommend? |
| 19:48.54 | tme5 | mitchreward, that file is provided by the kernel, right? |
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| 19:49.03 | mitchreward | tme5 yeah |
| 19:49.05 | mitchreward | tme5, yeah |
| 19:49.08 | blind | winsen1: that would certainly be the easiest avenue. |
| 19:49.18 | tme5 | have you looked in the linux docs |
| 19:49.33 | winsen1 | blint: thanks for answering and your time. |
| 19:49.47 | winsen1 | but i think I'll keep it like this |
| 19:49.48 | mitchreward | tme5, not enough I guess, but can't find anything usefull on google |
| 19:50.09 | blind | winsen1: you are more then welcome. you'll eventually get tired of not being able to install stuff :p |
| 19:50.11 | mitchreward | I havent looked in the kernel doc yet |
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| 19:50.37 | mitchreward | tme5, but yeah you right, that's more a kernel question than debian |
| 19:51.06 | aerth | winsen1, whats the apt-get error u get |
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| 19:51.32 | tme5 | https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/ |
| 19:51.35 | blind | aerth: here's their paste: http://paste.debian.net/371572/ |
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| 19:52.10 | tme5 | mitchreward, it's messy but something might be there. tbh search engine would be better. and yes you're right |
| 19:52.41 | blind | aerth: they've been using a Linux Mint repo in tandem with debian repos for a year or so. |
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| 19:54.28 | thurstylark | I'm having an issue removing a volume control based on these instructions: http://alsa.opensrc.org/Softvol I removed it from /etc/asound.conf, then I rename /etc/rc6.d/K01alsa-utils, and reboot, but the old volume control still shows up in amixer scontrols. What am I doing wrong? |
| 19:55.51 | winsen1 | aerth: http://paste.debian.net/371730/ |
| 19:56.40 | aerth | i think its similar to the problem i solved on my VPS a couple weeks ago. it was using debian/sid for a long time and then i was unable to apt-get install Anything |
| 19:56.56 | aerth | sid and jessie are just as different as linux mint and debian, right ? :D |
| 19:57.30 | mitchreward | aerth, not exactly |
| 19:57.34 | winsen1 | blind: no worries. just sometimes I prefer read even stupid answers than to be blind. |
| 19:57.38 | blind | probably pretty close.. mint uses ubuntu packages and iirc ubuntu gets their stuff from sid |
| 19:58.07 | mitchreward | aerth, debian and mint are 2 working distrib, sid is for testing only, not stable |
| 19:58.21 | aerth | i would reinstall OS, but if you dont want to, try adding the /version number to each and every package it complains about |
| 19:58.23 | mitchreward | you dont have any warranty |
| 19:58.42 | aerth | and i noticed u didnt do just "apt-get -f install" |
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| 20:00.05 | winsen1 | aerth: however I did many installation as I said to our friends above. But anyway thank you. |
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| 20:01.31 | aerth | when should i use sid repo |
| 20:01.39 | greycat | If you have to ask: never. |
| 20:01.52 | blind | ooh I like that answer better than the one I was going to give :p |
| 20:02.28 | winsen1 | aerth: No. I did not have that kind of error before. thanks again |
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| 20:03.32 | aerth | horrible answers |
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| 20:13.58 | dez | i need halp |
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| 20:15.18 | karlpinc | !ask |
| 20:15.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 20:15.56 | karlpinc | !tell aerth about overview |
| 20:15.58 | dez | i cant install clang++ |
| 20:16.08 | karlpinc | aerth: Maybe that helps, dunno. |
| 20:16.55 | karlpinc | dez: Ok. So follow the suggestions and tell us the details so we can help. |
| 20:17.34 | dez | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 20:17.34 | dez | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.34 | dez | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.34 | dez | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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| 20:19.38 | dez | http://paste.debian.net/371781/ |
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| 20:21.00 | greycat | dez: show the ENTIRE output including the command that you typed to produce it. |
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| 20:23.44 | freeda | how do i install emacs on my debian system? "apt-cache search emacs" returns nothing. |
| 20:24.00 | greycat | unpossible |
| 20:24.11 | cra1g321 | impossible* |
| 20:24.15 | greycat | $ apt-cache search emacs | wc |
| 20:24.15 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:24.46 | freeda | this is a small-ish version of debian running under a beaglebone black. |
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| 20:25.03 | cra1g321 | " small-ish version of debian" so it likely isn't debian ? |
| 20:25.08 | greycat | Then go to your small-ish support channel. |
| 20:25.35 | freeda | what makes a distro debian? they call it debian |
| 20:25.40 | dez | http://paste.debian.net/371809/ |
| 20:25.50 | greycat | It's Debian if it came from www.debian.org |
| 20:26.01 | cra1g321 | freeda, what is it called ? |
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| 20:26.12 | freeda | debian. |
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| 20:26.31 | cra1g321 | paste your sources.list file to paste.debian.net |
| 20:26.53 | freeda | where is the sources.list file? |
| 20:27.00 | greycat | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:27.16 | freeda | http://beagleboard.org/latest-images |
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| 20:28.22 | greycat | I see a #beagleboard channel. |
| 20:28.27 | roks2 | hello |
| 20:28.43 | greycat | Also #beagle. |
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| 20:29.40 | roks2 | how long would I have to wait until an uninstallable package is installable again? I just installed a new debian sid, but I can't install xserver-xorg |
| 20:29.59 | winsen1 | Do you think that google chrome could work on Debian system without any errors/bugs? |
| 20:30.00 | greycat | roks2: when unstable (sid) breaks you get to reassemble the pieces yourself |
| 20:30.27 | roks2 | it's a fresh installation greycat, nothing broke |
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| 20:31.23 | dontknow | winsen1, use iceweasel, seriously |
| 20:31.23 | TomTomTo1 | winsen1, i've been running chrome for a long time. never had any problems. |
| 20:31.28 | freeda | cra1g321: http://ur1.ca/ogesy -> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/315469/92663214 |
| 20:31.41 | roks2 | winsen1: chromium |
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| 20:32.07 | dez | anyone can help me? |
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| 20:32.41 | dontknow | dez, ask your question |
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| 20:33.18 | dez | http://paste.debian.net/371809/ |
| 20:33.28 | dez | cant install clang++ |
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| 20:33.42 | blind | dez: apt-get install clang |
| 20:33.45 | roks2 | greycat: I followed the steps as adviced on the debian wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallFAQ#Q._How_do_I_install_.22unstable.22_.28.22sid.22.29.3F (choice 1) |
| 20:33.49 | edgo | :) |
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| 20:34.11 | greycat | Was one of the steps "DON'T DO IT"? |
| 20:34.39 | dez | installed |
| 20:34.47 | greycat | !tell roks2 about unstable |
| 20:34.47 | dez | but i need clang++ too |
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| 20:35.04 | greycat | dez: see if it's already in there |
| 20:35.07 | winsen1 | dontknow: I am using iceweasel, but I need it for another software that needs to be added use software that works only google chrome browser. |
| 20:35.13 | greycat | the package description says it should be |
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| 20:36.07 | dez | hmmm |
| 20:36.10 | dez | ok |
| 20:36.11 | dez | ty |
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| 20:36.32 | dontknow | winsen1, ok. have you tried chromium |
| 20:37.14 | greycat | dontknow: in case you missed the preamble, winsen1 is running a Frankendebian that had a sources.list containing linuxmint packages for over a year, and now it's utterly fucked. |
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| 20:37.49 | dontknow | :S |
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| 20:39.25 | teward | winsen1: a big FYI: you've been running a Mint repo on your system for over a year. As a result, you're extremely likely to have torpedoed your system - time to NFO and reinstall, and NOT add the Mint repos. (It's completely screwed, and won't be solved without a clean install) |
| 20:39.40 | teward | so nothing will work, and you've broken Debian (and likely are unlikely to find a solution without starting over) |
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| 20:40.39 | freeda | can someone please post their uhname -a from a working debian system? |
| 20:40.47 | greycat | Linux wooledg 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:43.03 | dez | i cant ./configure and make de node.js file |
| 20:43.15 | dez | from the node.js website |
| 20:43.21 | freeda | do the debian pkg mgrs rely on uname to detect what version of pkg to search/install? |
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| 20:43.27 | greycat | No. |
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| 20:44.03 | freeda | did my sources.list file look ok? |
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| 20:45.04 | freeda | http://ur1.ca/ogesy -> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/315469/92663214 |
| 20:45.10 | unborn | Hi guys, can anyone help me with password-less ssh? |
| 20:45.16 | greycat | !jessie sources.list |
| 20:45.16 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 20:45.36 | unborn | Im trying to setup this for about two hours but somehow cannot find the way |
| 20:45.54 | TomTomTo1 | dez, you want to compile nodejs instead of installing it with apt? |
| 20:45.59 | Hello71 | why aren't security updates mirrored (via the usual methods)? |
| 20:45.59 | greycat | unborn: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/SshKeys |
| 20:46.16 | greycat | Hello71: security.d.o is a round robin with 4 IPs |
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| 20:46.33 | Hello71 | more reliable caching? |
| 20:46.54 | greycat | Maybe they figure 4 is enough. |
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| 20:47.30 | dontknow | freeda, it looks fine except non-free and contrib ;) |
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| 20:47.47 | Hello71 | I guess because they can control those better so they can say "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" instead of "apt-get update then check xyz...". |
| 20:47.58 | dontknow | i dont know what deb [arch=armhf] http://repos.rcn-ee.com/debian/ jessie main does |
| 20:48.02 | dez | tomyes |
| 20:48.18 | dez | TomTomTo1, yes |
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| 20:48.39 | TomTomTo1 | why? |
| 20:48.53 | unborn | greycat, been and done there.. still no luck |
| 20:49.04 | greycat | unborn: what problem are you having? |
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| 20:50.17 | unborn | greycat, I generated keys, uploaded them onto server into users .ssh, generated authorized_keys, restarted sshd and it is still asking me for password.. cannot figure out why.. |
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| 20:50.29 | dez | on the etherpad site they recommend installing from source, and indeed when i install from apt it says that i need node.js |
| 20:50.42 | greycat | unborn: uploaded "them"? What file, exactly, did you upload? |
| 20:51.02 | greycat | What kind of key did you generate? Are both systems Debian? |
| 20:51.03 | unborn | devserver.pub |
| 20:51.11 | greycat | why do you have a file named devserver.pub |
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| 20:51.45 | greycat | if your private key is also given a customized name, did you specify that key (filename) to ssh? |
| 20:51.47 | unborn | greycat, then on server via root terminal I done cat devserver.pub > authorized_keys |
| 20:51.49 | greycat | ssh won't know to look for your customized private key |
| 20:51.59 | greycat | ROOT?@!?! |
| 20:52.16 | greycat | This is... just not getting better, is it. |
| 20:53.21 | greycat | Start at the beginning. Are both the client (where you are running ssh) and the server running Debian? |
| 20:53.21 | unborn | okay greycat can you then give me simple way how to make it works? coz what I followed on many pages and wikis.. that simply not work |
| 20:53.54 | unborn | greycat, my local machine is ubuntu and server is debian8 |
| 20:53.58 | dez | TomTomTo1, why isnt the configure command working? |
| 20:54.12 | greycat | OK, close enough. What command did you type to create the key pair? And which system did you run it on? |
| 20:54.13 | freeda | dontknow: what does |
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| 20:54.22 | unborn | I generate pub and private keys on my local machine |
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| 20:54.27 | freeda | "nonfree" and "contrib" signify? |
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| 20:54.52 | unborn | greycat, ssh-keygen -t rsa |
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| 20:55.07 | greycat | there must have been more to the command than that, or you would have files with the standard names |
| 20:55.15 | TandyUK2_ | hey guys, with a fresh jessie install, and nics configured from /etc/network/interfaces, why every time i reboot do i have a blank /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:55.24 | donoban | Ey guys, I noticed some behaviour that I don't understad. I have debian jessie with jessie-backports enabled and just one package from backports. if I do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade I get no pending updates to do. However, if I disconnect internet and do again apt-get update and apt-get upgrade I get some upgrades to do. How is this possible? I has no sense. After studying it I would say that all that updates come from backports. If I enable again int |
| 20:55.32 | blind | freeda: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html check 2.2.2 and 2.2.3 |
| 20:55.42 | freeda | TandyUK2_: sounds like you may have a misconfigured dhcpd server |
| 20:55.46 | TandyUK2_ | and if i dare do 'service networking restart' eth0 no longer has an ipv4 address, but instead gets a (not configured) ipv6 link local |
| 20:55.47 | dontknow | freeda, they fetches nonfree packages linu flash against your freedom |
| 20:55.51 | TandyUK2_ | not using dhcp |
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| 20:56.05 | TandyUK2_ | all settings are static in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:56.06 | freeda | TandyUK2_: there's your answer |
| 20:56.12 | freeda | then YOU have to configure it |
| 20:56.14 | unborn | greycat, nope.. I press enter and it asking me for name of the file.. so I enter devserver and hit enter.. and it creates two files.. |
| 20:56.27 | TandyUK2_ | ok, so i HAVE configured it, but when i reboot, /etc/resolv.conf is EMPTY again |
| 20:56.51 | greycat | unborn: rename your .ssh/devserver (or whatever the private key file is called) to .ssh/id_rsa |
| 20:56.56 | TandyUK2_ | resolvconf and networkmanager are NOT installed |
| 20:56.57 | TomTomTo1 | dez, how should i know? check the dependencies. |
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| 20:57.05 | freeda | TandyUK2_: post your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 20:57.14 | unborn | heh |
| 20:57.16 | freeda | paste |
| 20:57.31 | unborn | greycat, okay I would like to regenerate those files from start.. |
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| 20:58.09 | TandyUK2_ | freeda: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/84acd78317dc8042e232 |
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| 20:58.20 | greycat | unborn: OK. But when it prompts you for the filenames, just press Enter. |
| 20:58.27 | unborn | greycat, okay got standard names now.. |
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| 20:58.51 | TandyUK2_ | if i 'echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf' and reboot, after reboot resolv.conf is 0 bytes |
| 20:58.58 | TandyUK2_ | until the reboot, its fine ofc |
| 20:59.05 | unborn | id_rsa and id_rsa.pub.. I did not know that I cannot name them as I wont.. heh |
| 20:59.20 | greycat | unborn: you can, but then you have to tell ssh where the private key file is located every time. |
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| 21:00.07 | TandyUK2_ | oh, and /etc/network/interfaces.d is empty having just clocked the source line |
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| 21:00.25 | freeda | TandyUK2_: right, i see. are you sure the "dns-nameservers" line is formed correctly? i would check the syntax. i.e., are you supposedto use "," between? |
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| 21:01.38 | unborn | aha.. got you greycat ..okay.. I am listening what to do next |
| 21:01.40 | unborn | greycat, ssh-copy-id command? |
| 21:01.45 | greycat | unborn: if the names are correct, the permissions are correct, etc. then you may STILL have an issue with Ubuntu's default ssh-agent setup, but that's beyond the scope of #debian. |
| 21:01.58 | TandyUK2_ | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Defining_the_.28DNS.29_Nameservers syntax came from there, so if its wrong, then so is the debian wiki |
| 21:01.59 | freeda | is there a debian equivalent to fedora's "fpaste" (paste something to paste.debian.net)? |
| 21:02.14 | greycat | unborn: just copy the id_rsa.pub file to the server *as yourself, not as root* and put it in *your* .ssh/authorized_keys file (not root's). |
| 21:02.44 | greycat | freeda: there are a few. pastebinit and some others. |
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| 21:02.45 | unborn | greycat, sure I see.. but if there is not authorized_keys file? |
| 21:02.51 | greycat | create it |
| 21:04.42 | unborn | greycat, can I use cat id_rsa.pub > authorized_keys ? I mean can I use that command or just create empty file there? |
| 21:04.50 | greycat | yes |
| 21:05.03 | freeda | TandyUK2_: I don't know then. Must be frustrating! |
| 21:05.15 | TandyUK2_ | indeed |
| 21:05.31 | TandyUK2_ | fuc kit ill just chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:05.54 | greycat | TandyUK2_: what I do is remove the line from /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf that has the name server crap in it. |
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| 21:06.10 | TandyUK2_ | just to reiterate, nothign is configured by dhcp |
| 21:06.18 | greycat | Ironically I can't tell you which line, because ... it's not there. |
| 21:06.30 | greycat | Oh, if it's not DHCP then I don't know what you're doing. Sorry. |
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| 21:06.53 | freeda | TandyUK2_: try removing the dns-nameservers line from interfaces, just for grins. see if it still happens. |
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| 21:07.05 | TandyUK2_ | its been happening before i added them |
| 21:07.08 | tme5 | who was asking about reading keyboard device? |
| 21:07.11 | TandyUK2_ | i added them in an attempt to stop it happening |
| 21:07.18 | freeda | oh my. |
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| 21:07.41 | greycat | tme5: mitchreward was, but seems to be gone now |
| 21:07.42 | unborn | greycat, I apologize for my stupidity I did not realized that I have to do this as an user and not an an root mah :D |
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| 21:07.51 | tme5 | ah alright |
| 21:08.16 | freeda | TandyUK2_: hwo about running systemctl --list (I think?) to get a llist of all configured things that start up and have a look there? |
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| 21:09.27 | TandyUK2_ | oh fucking systemd no wonder its fucked |
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| 21:09.44 | freeda | no,it's cool, i think. much better than the old way. |
| 21:09.51 | TandyUK2_ | just to put it out there, i want to morder whatever fuckwit thought systemd was needed and/or a good idea |
| 21:09.55 | TandyUK2_ | no its not |
| 21:09.58 | TandyUK2_ | the old way WORKS |
| 21:09.59 | unborn | greycat, thank you very much.. I guess I can use same pub key for root as well? I mean on dev server its local machine in virtualbox |
| 21:10.08 | blind | how did you get this far and not realize it was systemd |
| 21:10.10 | TandyUK2_ | if systemd worked, i wouldnt be here askign this would i ;) |
| 21:10.15 | unborn | for dev stuff but this was major issue for me :) |
| 21:10.21 | greycat | unborn: in theory, any number of users/accounts/systems may use the same key files, yes. |
| 21:10.49 | greycat | I truly have no idea what TandyUK2_ is doing, asking, or experiencing... |
| 21:10.50 | freeda | you mean "it's not"... watch those conjunctions. |
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| 21:11.00 | freeda | :) |
| 21:11.24 | unborn | greycat, massive thanks! |
| 21:11.38 | TandyUK2_ | lol, well in short, my /etc/network/interfaces file, as configured on hundreds of other servers, isnt honoring my nameservers and overwrites /etc/resolv.conf with a blank file at each reboot |
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| 21:12.06 | greycat | I don't know what /etc/network/interfaces has to do with /etc/resolv.conf at all. |
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| 21:12.22 | TandyUK2_ | there is no dhcp server o nthe network, nor is any interface configured for dhcp, nor is network manager, dhcp, or resolvconf installed |
| 21:12.32 | blind | freeda: only since you were such a stickler... that's a contraction, not a conjunction. :p |
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| 21:12.44 | greycat | Edit resolv.conf, edit interfaces with a simple static setup, done. |
| 21:12.52 | TandyUK2_ | greycat: according to the debian wiki, thats how you manually configure nameservers |
| 21:13.01 | greycat | ? |
| 21:13.07 | TandyUK2_ | greycat, clearly you havent been listening to anything i said |
| 21:13.21 | TandyUK2_ | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/84acd78317dc8042e232 << interfaces |
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| 21:13.29 | TandyUK2_ | and i have manually set resolv.conf |
| 21:13.36 | freeda | blind: right you are! excellent! |
| 21:13.37 | TandyUK2_ | when i reboot, its a 0 byte file again |
| 21:13.41 | greycat | WHY do you have dns-nameservers crap in interfaces... |
| 21:13.54 | TandyUK2_ | BECAUSE WHEN I REBOOT THE FUCKING RESOLV.CONF is blank |
| 21:13.57 | TandyUK2_ | fuck me read |
| 21:14.17 | TandyUK2_ | that was added, because, according to wiki.debian.org, thats how you manually specify nameservers |
| 21:14.47 | TandyUK2_ | if the system would leave my resolv.conf alone (which ive now enforced via chattr +i), i wouldnt even need that line |
| 21:14.53 | greycat | Then the wiki is overengineered rubbish. Or is working around some problem caused by some other overengineered rubbish, possibly n-m? I don't know n-m except that I know not to us eit. |
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| 21:15.08 | TandyUK2_ | bangs head |
| 21:15.17 | TandyUK2_ | [21:12] <TandyUK2_> there is no dhcp server o nthe network, nor is any interface configured for dhcp, nor is network manager, dhcp, or resolvconf installed |
| 21:15.33 | greycat | I will have to try to look around to find a system that has static interfaces here (most of them are dhcp with server-side leases) |
| 21:16.47 | freeda | TandyUK2_: is rdnssd installed and running? |
| 21:16.49 | greycat | Here's a good one: http://paste.debian.net/371917/ |
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| 21:17.13 | greycat | It's got plenty of "shit keeps changing around me and here's my adaptations" in it. |
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| 21:18.56 | freeda | TandyUK2_: i'm afraid i agree with greycat after reading the manpage on "interfaces" - there is no mention of a dns-nameservers line |
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| 21:19.44 | greycat | it may be coming from some other package like resolvconf that I also would never ever use given any kind of a choice |
| 21:19.59 | freeda | he said he removed that |
| 21:20.06 | karlpinc | I have static interfaces and isc-dhcp-client installed and my resolve.conf file is not messed with. I add nameservers there, no issue. |
| 21:20.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, there is more than one thing parsing interfaces |
| 21:21.11 | blind | 'dns-nameservers' syntax does indeed come from resolvconf - which would also overwrite your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:22.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I must admit I don't care the way that documentation about that file is spread out over several packages |
| 21:22.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | or manpages |
| 21:22.45 | freeda | CutMeOwnThroat: +1 |
| 21:22.59 | blind | Which? resolv.conf or interfaces? |
| 21:23.05 | TandyUK2_ | both tbh |
| 21:23.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | interfaces... |
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| 21:23.22 | TandyUK2_ | but even _without_ the dns-nameservers line, i was getting a blank resolv.conf on reboot |
| 21:23.25 | blind | 'man interfaces' I would imagine is the end-all |
| 21:23.30 | blind | TandyUK2_: yes, that's what resolvconf does. |
| 21:23.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no obvious solution for that, as more than one package uses it.. |
| 21:23.37 | TandyUK2_ | thats why i added it in the first place, nice to know the wiki is wrong lol |
| 21:23.45 | flumplz | [22:23] Sosai ##linux Cannot change nickname while banned on channel |
| 21:23.47 | TandyUK2_ | resolvconf isnt installed |
| 21:23.56 | flumplz | suck cock.. then send me my confirmationmajil already |
| 21:23.59 | blind | Then something else that acts like it is. |
| 21:24.02 | flumplz | who owns that mail system |
| 21:24.03 | blind | flumplz: not related to #debian |
| 21:24.18 | flumplz | sorry blind but i am all ARrArRArA :P~ |
| 21:24.33 | flumplz | i apologise for being an intrusion and a cursive one at that |
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| 21:24.59 | flumplz | i found this network to find THE ONE linux distro.. seems hard though |
| 21:25.11 | flumplz | arch will be way hard to build for a noob, and take percious time |
| 21:25.12 | blind | You might have to try a few out. |
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| 21:25.28 | flumplz | i have debian on this but i forgot the pass due to not taking my medicine/having an off day |
| 21:25.32 | blind | Obviously in here we like Debian. Except maybe TandyUK2_ :p |
| 21:25.35 | flumplz | so i booted it up and, yay.. NEI! |
| 21:25.40 | TandyUK2_ | i like debian too ;) |
| 21:25.42 | TandyUK2_ | normally lol |
| 21:25.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I even like the interfaces file :) |
| 21:26.07 | unborn | greycat, I assume that I can remove pub key from server once authorized_keys been created right? |
| 21:26.10 | flumplz | please let me hang and see.. i will have 2-4 linux distros going to see what's up |
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| 21:26.22 | flumplz | alterations, additions, package building or whatever i will need |
| 21:26.27 | TandyUK2_ | ive chattr +i'd resolv.conf now, so we'll see if a reboot still makes it blank lol |
| 21:26.31 | flumplz | ~manpages |
| 21:26.32 | apt | You can find manpages online at http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi . You can find here manpages appropriate for your unix or Linux distribution |
| 21:26.35 | greycat | unborn: yes |
| 21:26.48 | TandyUK2_ | and ive removed the dns-namservers line too |
| 21:26.56 | unborn | thank you greycat |
| 21:27.15 | flumplz | can you have personalized vhosts when you're registered ? |
| 21:27.28 | flumplz | i look forward to the mailing service *coughs* unrelated, my bad |
| 21:27.29 | flumplz | :> |
| 21:27.30 | blind | ask #freenode |
| 21:27.35 | flumplz | mkhey |
| 21:27.44 | flumplz | i'll stop being questionive sally _> |
| 21:27.46 | flumplz | :> |
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| 21:27.58 | freeda | TandyUK2_: are you SURE you've removed resolvconf? |
| 21:28.30 | TandyUK2_ | well i never installed it, and 'apt-get remove network-manager' tells me its not installed |
| 21:28.39 | TandyUK2_ | so im not sure how much more removed it can get |
| 21:28.51 | blind | network-manager, eh? |
| 21:28.53 | freeda | which resolvconf? |
| 21:29.06 | TandyUK2_ | rebooting atm, but thats not installed either |
| 21:29.06 | freeda | just to beat a dead horse... |
| 21:30.31 | TandyUK2_ | Package 'network-manager' is not installed, so not removed Package 'resolvconf' is not installed, so not removed |
| 21:30.48 | TandyUK2_ | which [either] gives no output |
| 21:31.19 | TandyUK2_ | but my chattr +i'd resolv.conf now survives a reboot :) |
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| 21:33.35 | freeda | TandyUK2_: is rdnssd installed and running? |
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| 21:33.57 | Guest79742 | hi |
| 21:34.12 | freeda | wish i were... |
| 21:34.20 | TandyUK2_ | hmm yes it is |
| 21:34.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, I wonder if one could use the inotify stuff to find out what processes manipulate a file |
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| 21:34.35 | Guest79742 | how can i verify debian iso with GnuPG if it also must be verified |
| 21:34.47 | greycat | CutMeOwnThroat: problem is, it all happens before you can even login to set up traps |
| 21:35.08 | freeda | TandyUK2_: i think i got that from the interfaces manpage. |
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| 21:35.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's actually one of the great debugging annoyances that you cannot find out what writes things if the program closes the file quickly |
| 21:35.28 | freeda | it looks like something to generte resolve.conf for ipv6 or somesuch |
| 21:35.39 | TandyUK2_ | https://www.slightfuture.com/how-to/debian-dns-resolv lol |
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| 21:35.45 | TandyUK2_ | apparantly im not alone |
| 21:35.49 | TandyUK2_ | just purged rdnssd too |
| 21:36.10 | Guest79742 | ? |
| 21:36.19 | blind | I have no DNS woes on my multiple jessie systems :p |
| 21:36.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, I thought one could start it in whatever qualifies as an init script in this case... or maybe @reboot cron or so (must be something before network, though) |
| 21:36.40 | TandyUK2_ | blind: i have no dns woes on about 100 other jessie systems either |
| 21:36.47 | TandyUK2_ | its just this one being a dick lol |
| 21:37.04 | TandyUK2_ | BUT, all those other systems are x64, this one is i686 |
| 21:37.05 | greycat | CutMeOwnThroat: possibly, yes, but it's a tricky thing to get it right |
| 21:37.15 | blind | you have 100 other jessie systems and didn't realize it was systemd? :x |
| 21:37.17 | greycat | especially with a non-linear boot system |
| 21:37.36 | TandyUK2_ | maybe i was just thinking wishfully lol |
| 21:37.47 | Guest79742 | help |
| 21:37.56 | TandyUK2_ | Guest79742: ask a question |
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| 21:38.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure... but enough other cases where finding the culprit of writing something to a file would be good |
| 21:38.04 | freeda | hey, in case any of you guys were getting naughty thoughts about me, i'm a dude. (on my wife's computer) |
| 21:38.28 | freeda | TMI, perhaps..? |
| 21:38.28 | greycat | That may not stop the thoughts. |
| 21:38.34 | freeda | lol |
| 21:38.36 | teraflops | xD |
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| 21:39.05 | freeda | it's funny how irc folks seem to be kinder to females! |
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| 21:39.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... and cases where it's not during boot |
| 21:40.02 | greycat | Most IRC veterans will just assume that anyone with a blatantly feminine nickname is male, trolling. |
| 21:40.11 | blind | ^ true story |
| 21:40.18 | TandyUK2_ | everyone on irc is male, everyone knows that ;) |
| 21:40.33 | Brutus` | how's this then? |
| 21:40.47 | Brutus` | TandyUK2_: ha. |
| 21:40.50 | TandyUK2_ | no different to freeda |
| 21:41.05 | Brutus` | oh, i'm here to tell you... |
| 21:41.36 | blind | Et tu, Brutus`? |
| 21:42.00 | Brutus` | right, Shakespere. |
| 21:42.35 | Brutus` | hokay, back to work... |
| 21:42.40 | greycat | freeda is not blatantly feminine... could just be "free" + "da" |
| 21:43.06 | TandyUK2_ | tbh thats how i was reading it all along, and wonder why he wanted directadmin at all, let alone for free |
| 21:43.06 | greycat | By blatantly feminine, I mean something like SexySheila_21 |
| 21:43.22 | jhutchins | F. Reeda |
| 21:43.25 | SpeccyMan | never assumes |
| 21:43.26 | TandyUK2_ | i mean i wouldnt use directadmin if they paid me |
| 21:43.57 | Brutus` | jhutchins: +1 |
| 21:44.08 | Brutus` | Franke Eeda. |
| 21:45.35 | Brutus` | ok, my beagle system doesn't have aptitude! |
| 21:45.46 | greycat | I never use aptitude anyway |
| 21:46.01 | Brutus` | so i can't "aptitude update" after changing sources.list |
| 21:46.11 | Brutus` | !jessie sources.list |
| 21:46.11 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 21:46.41 | Brutus` | greycat: canyou do the same thing with dpkg? |
| 21:46.44 | Brutus` | equivalent? |
| 21:47.07 | greycat | Not really. I use apt-get though. |
| 21:47.30 | Brutus` | yeah, i have that. "apt-get update" ? |
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| 21:48.36 | Brutus` | that seems to be working.. |
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| 21:50.41 | three_legs | i guys i forgot how to make a tarball from source lol |
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| 21:51.19 | markybob | three_legs, you could google how to create a tarball on linux like 99% of us would if we forgot |
| 21:51.24 | Scott0_ | im looking to install observium and their documentation calls for debian 7 |
| 21:51.30 | Scott0_ | should I bother with debian 8 for this? |
| 21:51.33 | three_legs | i did |
| 21:51.45 | three_legs | i mean a tarball for creating a debain package |
| 21:52.04 | markybob | facepalm and runs |
| 21:53.07 | three_legs | everything i have read assumes i already have the tarball |
| 21:53.09 | three_legs | lol |
| 21:53.25 | three_legs | but i don't this is my package |
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| 21:53.36 | three_legs | and i'm trying to packge with git but meh |
| 21:54.24 | greycat | there are better places that could have been truncated |
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| 21:57.28 | Guest79742 | hey can someone help me install debian |
| 21:57.37 | svetlana | yes? |
| 21:57.38 | centrx | !ask |
| 21:57.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:58.15 | greycat | Tell us where you got stuck, or what error you're getting. |
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| 21:58.29 | Guest79742 | me? |
| 21:58.36 | babilen | yes |
| 21:58.46 | Guest79742 | the verification thing |
| 21:59.00 | babilen | Which "verification thing" exactly? |
| 21:59.15 | Guest79742 | wait |
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| 21:59.33 | Guest79742 | https://www.debian.org/CD/verify |
| 21:59.52 | Guest79742 | GnuPG must be verified too |
| 22:00.11 | Guest79742 | cant it verify itself lol |
| 22:00.14 | Guest79742 | ? |
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| 22:00.43 | greycat | If you do a normal netinst from a normal netinst ISO that you wrote to a CD, DVD or USB stick, it should just work. |
| 22:01.07 | Guest79742 | just work? |
| 22:01.08 | greycat | Verifying the image that you downloaded is fine, if you're into that kind of thing. |
| 22:01.13 | greycat | I never bother. |
| 22:01.39 | karlpinc | Guest79742: If you've a linux or OSX box verifying the image is easy. I can't say how to do it on MS Windows. |
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| 22:02.12 | Guest79742 | hm |
| 22:02.25 | Guest79742 | do netinst do the verify thing itself? |
| 22:02.50 | Guest79742 | thanks for your answers by the way |
| 22:03.00 | greycat | You do not have to verify the image in order to install from it. |
| 22:03.09 | karlpinc | Guest79742: That'd be like trusting the butcher to verify his own scales. |
| 22:03.31 | Guest79742 | greycat but viruses |
| 22:03.47 | Guest79742 | xD |
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| 22:07.35 | Guest79742 | so should i buy the cd? |
| 22:07.40 | greycat | !netinst |
| 22:07.41 | dpkg | hmm... netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 22:08.11 | greycat | You don't need to buy anything. Just download the netinst image (amd64 or i386 depending), verify it if you wish, then write it to media and install from it. |
| 22:08.39 | Guest79742 | where do i see <check iso image>? |
| 22:08.46 | greycat | /msg dpkg check iso image |
| 22:09.01 | Guest79742 | is that on linux os? |
| 22:09.16 | greycat | In this channel. dpkg is our bot. |
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| 22:09.48 | greycat | (It's also the name of the Debian package manager, which can sometimes lead to confusion> |
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| 22:15.15 | andril | hello |
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| 22:16.32 | svetlana | hi andril |
| 22:16.45 | andril | hey svetlana :) |
| 22:16.47 | karlpinc | andril: If you need help, ask. |
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| 22:17.14 | andril | i need help compiling in Debian, noob level of help |
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| 22:17.32 | andril | I need to install Lollypop and Terminix |
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| 22:18.23 | allizom | Guest79742: to verify a debian image you: compute its hash and compare it with the hash file, import a key and verify that the hash file is signed with the right key |
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| 22:19.23 | Guest79742 | code it myself? |
| 22:19.45 | allizom | sorry? |
| 22:19.46 | karlpinc | andril: And what are you doing/typing and why is what you're doing not working and what error message do you get? We expect you to provide details before we can help. |
| 22:20.10 | greycat | Guest79742: normally you run a unix program that calculates the hash value. md5sum, openssl, md5, etc. |
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| 22:20.20 | greycat | Nobody knows how to do it from Windows. Windows is horrible. |
| 22:20.29 | karlpinc | Guest79742: Google probably knows. |
| 22:20.36 | Guest79742 | if i dont have the program i can make it myself? |
| 22:20.41 | greycat | You could, yes. |
| 22:20.43 | Guest79742 | what about the signature |
| 22:20.44 | Guest79742 | ? |
| 22:20.48 | allizom | Guest79742: are you using windows? |
| 22:20.54 | Guest79742 | yea |
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| 22:21.17 | allizom | do you have access to a computer running GNU/Linux? |
| 22:21.25 | Guest79742 | uh no |
| 22:21.32 | greycat | or a mac? |
| 22:21.52 | Guest79742 | no ): |
| 22:21.56 | karlpinc | Guest79742: So google "sha256 microsoft windows" to find out how to generate a sha256 hash sum. |
| 22:22.09 | andril | karlpinc, i just don't know how to install anything other than Deb files so i haven't a clue so i come here searching for Jedi |
| 22:22.10 | xVim | Is it true that whenever there is a completely new Debian testing, it is just as good as the old one because it was just copied over (+namechanges)? |
| 22:22.28 | Guest79742 | i see thanks |
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| 22:23.20 | greycat | xVim: There is never a "completely new testing" |
| 22:23.21 | karlpinc | Guest79742: Then to be well and truely paranoid, do another google search to find out how to verify gpg signatures on MS Windows. |
| 22:24.13 | greycat | xVim: right BEFORE a release, testing is usually very close to the stable release, because packages are intentionally held back to facilitate the release... |
| 22:24.15 | Guest79742 | lol |
| 22:24.26 | karlpinc | Guest79742: Really though, it's probably just about as likely that your downloaded neinstall from an official debian mirror is tampered with as it is if you buy a install cd and it is tampered with as it goes through the mail. |
| 22:24.32 | greycat | xVim: but right AFTER the release, all of the packages that devs have been holding back for half a year are thrown into the pot at will, so things break FAST |
| 22:24.36 | markybob | karlpinc, there is md5sum for windows. that should be good enough |
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| 22:25.34 | Guest79742 | guess i ll just install debian now then verify later in another pc |
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| 22:25.41 | xVim | greycat: I am asking because I am considering to just put 'testing' instead of 'stretch' in my sources.list |
| 22:25.56 | markybob | xVim, if you want things to break, go ahead and do that |
| 22:25.58 | greycat | Why would you do EITHER of those things? |
| 22:26.12 | greycat | Is stable not exciting enough, because things mostly just work? |
| 22:26.22 | karlpinc | !tell xVim about testing security |
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| 22:26.48 | xVim | karlpinc: I know testin is least secure |
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| 22:27.01 | karlpinc | xVim: That said. Some folks like living on the edge. If I need something newer usually backports is good enough. |
| 22:27.12 | markybob | xVim, having testing in there will be catastrophic when stretch because stable |
| 22:27.15 | xVim | karlpinc: However I am willing to pay a (big) price for up-to-date packages |
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| 22:27.45 | greycat | the words "up-to-date" are already inherently biased |
| 22:28.03 | greycat | Just because something has a higher version number doesn't mean it works better. |
| 22:28.13 | karlpinc | xVim: Yeah, you'd be better off putting "stretch" in there so you have control after the next release. |
| 22:28.17 | markybob | xVim, if you must, use stretch, not testing. but we won't feel sorry for you either way. btw, testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:28.36 | karlpinc | xVim: I'd be curious why you're so interested in newer stuff. |
| 22:29.10 | xVim | karlpinc: I regurlarly run into problems with software too old. |
| 22:29.29 | greycat | And backporting it isn't enough? |
| 22:29.42 | Guest79742 | thanks all |
| 22:29.49 | xVim | greycat: I am more afraid of backporting actually. |
| 22:29.59 | markybob | xVim, well that's...silly at best |
| 22:30.00 | xVim | Is that stupid? |
| 22:30.08 | markybob | xVim, yes. i was trying to be kind |
| 22:30.31 | xVim | markybob: Please don't be easy on me. If that is a shit idea tell me. |
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| 22:30.48 | markybob | xVim, it's a shit idea. backport if at all possible |
| 22:30.58 | xVim | I read that backporting would lead to unstable systems and package problems. |
| 22:31.43 | markybob | xVim, when we say backport we mean use backports.debian.org or create your own from deb-src, not just putting testing in sources.list and installing that package. that will break shit |
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| 22:32.53 | wiltors42 | Hey I've got a fresh debian minimal install and I'm trying to get xrandr to detect my dual displays but it only can find one.. |
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| 22:37.49 | wiltors42 | When I was using Ubuntu, arandr was able to detect all my displays automatically, but this time it doens't see them.. |
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| 22:38.23 | karlpinc | wiltors42: Maybe it needs proprietery firmware. Or maybe it just needs an config. Look at the man page for the video driver. And get your pciid with "lspci -nn" as root and tell the judd bot what it is with "/msg judd pciid xxxx" |
| 22:38.45 | karlpinc | wiltors42: judd knows about drivers and I think firmware. |
| 22:39.06 | wiltors42 | I installed the non-free debian |
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| 22:39.26 | wiltors42 | but ok |
| 22:39.54 | karlpinc | wiltors42: Dunno. Perhaps manual intervention is required. |
| 22:40.14 | karlpinc | wiltors42: It's also possible that a backported (newer) kernel will help. |
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| 22:41.02 | karlpinc | wiltors42: You could also pastebin your X log (/var/log/X*) and maybe somebody will see something there. |
| 22:41.18 | karlpinc | wiltors42: And tell us your video card. |
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| 22:41.59 | karlpinc | wiltors42: (There, now you know everything I know. That's about it for my level of help. I poke X with a stick and eventually it works.) |
| 22:42.32 | xVim | Let's say I start using backports and because of an error in a backported package I installed my program breaks. Can I revert the installation of the backported package cleanly and use the stable package again? |
| 22:42.33 | wiltors42 | thanks |
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| 22:43.48 | karlpinc | xVim: Yes, pretty much. Sometimes a newer version will do something not backwards-compatible to your config file that would need to be undone. |
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| 22:44.24 | karlpinc | xVim: You can always install the stock original config, but if you've made changes then you'd need to re-make them. |
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| 22:44.46 | xVim | karlpinc: Can you give me an example of a command I would need to run to remove the backported package? Or do i just do a purge and reinstall from stable? |
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| 22:45.11 | karlpinc | xVim: I'd delete and re-install from stable. Or purge. Depends. |
| 22:45.31 | xVim | yes, depending on whether I want to keep my config. |
| 22:45.40 | karlpinc | xVim: right |
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| 22:46.02 | xVim | karlpinc: Ok, I am really stupid to not use backports. It shows I lack fundamental basics. |
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| 22:46.23 | xVim | karlpinc: Thanks, you saved me a lot of time, I was about to upgrade to testing |
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| 22:46.47 | jhutchins | wiltors42: non-free doesn't have the proprietary video drivers for stuff like nvidia. |
| 22:46.49 | karlpinc | xVim: Depending on whether your're using aptitude or apt-get you may manually need to deal with other, automatically installed, backported required packages. Aptitude pretty much undoes what it does automatically. |
| 22:47.11 | gustavohmsilva | hi guys |
| 22:47.34 | gustavohmsilva | I'm studing for the CompTIA certification and I think my lessoes have an error |
| 22:48.04 | xVim | karlpinc: I used aptitude for a while, but then went back to apt-get, because I read to you should stick to one (and all say update to new release with apt-get - so I have to use apt-get) |
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| 22:48.28 | gustavohmsilva | first he said to create a variable on shell (bash), so I created like variable="value on the variable" |
| 22:48.35 | gustavohmsilva | ok, I got that right |
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| 22:48.44 | karlpinc | xVim: By following the release notes you can use either. But yes, otherwise one or the other is probably best. |
| 22:49.08 | gustavohmsilva | then he asked me what is the way to show this variable value... echo $variable, right? nothing fancy here |
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| 22:49.16 | karlpinc | xVim: They are more integrated these days --- I'm not keeping track of what might possibly go wrong mixing them. |
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| 22:49.54 | wiltors42 | jhutchins: i'm not using nvidia... |
| 22:50.09 | karlpinc | xVim: (Some release notes have recommened aptitude. Depends.) |
| 22:50.28 | markybob | gustavohmsilva, you should probably be in #bash |
| 22:50.39 | Nematocyst | I'm installing using netboot uImage and uInitrd from here: /debian/dists/sid/main/installer-armel/current/images/kirkwood/netboot/seagate/dockstar, and it works until base-installer with: BAD signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmster@debian.org>" and base-installer: error: exiting on error base-installer/debootstrap-failed |
| 22:50.42 | markybob | gustavohmsilva, this kind of thing is pretty offtopic for #debian |
| 22:50.45 | gustavohmsilva | hum |
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| 22:51.06 | karlpinc | markybob: (But I'm dying to hear the punchline. :-) |
| 22:51.07 | markybob | gustavohmsilva, if you don't like #bash there's always #linux. this homework has nothing to do with debian |
| 22:51.18 | karlpinc | gustavohmsilva: Agreed. |
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| 22:51.59 | karlpinc | Nematocyst: What version of debian are you installing? |
| 22:52.04 | gustavohmsilva | liking it is not the problem markybob, is that I'm in debian right now taking the lessons, and got an error (wrong answer) for something that I set it right |
| 22:52.05 | gustavohmsilva | when I used echo $variable I got their value as a resposte... so in the next question "was you albe to see the variable content?" I've marked yes, I was able to read the content of the variable because the comand echo $variable are accesible both in local and children processes |
| 22:52.14 | Nematocyst | karlpinc, sid, i believe |
| 22:52.29 | quantic | gustavohmsilva: Basic bash competency is not a #debian topic. |
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| 22:52.52 | markybob | gustavohmsilva, the #bash guys will help. really. |
| 22:52.54 | wiltors42 | jhutchins: which firmware should I install for the drivers? |
| 22:52.56 | gustavohmsilva | ok. well, I'll go to bash then. |
| 22:52.59 | quantic | gustavohmsilva: It doesn't matter if you're using Debian, this is a basic Linux concept. Hence, #bash || ##linux |
| 22:53.07 | gustavohmsilva | thanks |
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| 22:53.40 | karlpinc | Nematocyst: If it's newer than jessie you want @debian-next on irc.debian.org. It's possible you might get help here. (And people do not usually install sid!) |
| 22:53.57 | karlpinc | Nematocyst: s/@/# |
| 22:54.28 | Nematocyst | karlpinc meaning they install jessie, and then do sys upgrade? or just don't mess with unstable? |
| 22:54.29 | jhutchins | Hey, I'm new to Debian, where do I download the sid installer? |
| 22:54.32 | wiltors42 | brb |
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| 22:54.43 | Nematocyst | karlpinc, anyway thanks |
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| 22:57.08 | jhutchins | Nematocyst: There's some debate as to whether sid is ever intended to be a coherent distribution, or just a repository of packages on their way to testing. Some people do run it as a base system, but the successful ones are REAL careful about updates. |
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| 22:58.14 | wiltors42 | hey, back |
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| 22:58.53 | xVim | Is there a way for dpkg in IRC to list all topics he has to say something to? |
| 23:00.23 | jhutchins | xVim: I believe there is a link to the database on the debian irc webpage. |
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| 23:01.06 | wiltors42 | My graphics card is an MSI Radeon R9 285 |
| 23:01.50 | xVim | jhutchins: Thanks, I found a dump of its factoid database there. |
| 23:02.03 | wiltors42 | fglrx? |
| 23:02.11 | xVim | Is probably a good idea for me to read through that (if it is not too much) |
| 23:02.37 | xVim | 4MB gz sounds like a lot of text :/ |
| 23:03.04 | markybob | xVim, it's 40239. happy reading :P |
| 23:03.10 | markybob | xVim, factoids that is |
| 23:03.47 | wiltors42 | xserver-xorg-video-radeon? |
| 23:04.23 | xVim | markybob: If I read 10 a day I need more than eleven years. This is clearly a bad idea. |
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| 23:06.13 | xVim | Is there a way to figured out which factoids are requested most often? |
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| 23:06.35 | xVim | That would be helpful for a beginner I suppose. |
| 23:06.56 | xVim | Start with the 1000 most common factoids. |
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| 23:09.20 | markybob_ | xVim, i don't think so. this will give you a decent idea http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/stats.php?q=recently-requested |
| 23:10.51 | xVim | markybob_: Thanks. |
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| 23:17.47 | ksx4system | embedded connman DNS resolver is slow, can I disable it and use something else? |
| 23:18.03 | axc1298 | does anyone know of an update notifier for debian (KDE) that can sit in the system tray and let me know when there are updates to install? looks like the update-notifier package isn't around anymore and it was gnome stuff anyways |
| 23:18.08 | xVim | The dpkg-bot here is just great, kudos to all who worked on it :) I like that in a given factoid another one (or more) are usually mentioned. In the future, I think I will first try to message dpkg for a general topic. |
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| 23:21.30 | wiltors42 | Who am I supposed to send my pci information to for configuring xrandr? |
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| 23:27.15 | wiltors42 | exit |
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| 23:34.50 | edgardoweb | hi |
| 23:35.52 | edgardoweb | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia9YSGiYh5w |
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| 23:42.04 | Protagonistics | I'm creating an interface on debian. I want to call the interface "mesh0" but want it to be virtually attached to eth1. In /etc/network/interfaces would that be "auto mesh0" and then "iface eth1:1 inet static" on the next line? |
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| 23:49.22 | jaggzt | what do I do about my fonts getting all tiny when I boot my computer with my old TV-monitor connected? |
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| 23:50.28 | Jazz | hey all |
| 23:50.39 | jaggzt | I have my nice monitor and my old tv (with HDMI) as secondary.. but when the system boots it defaults to the HDMI connection until it reaches X11. The X11 login is on the HDMI (tv). Once logged in it will make my good monitor (DVI) primary, |
| 23:51.02 | jaggzt | but if I boot with the TV connected, my fonts are all maybe 50% or 75% the size they're supposed to be |
| 23:52.21 | Guest22535 | I have a dual boot debian with windows, and the debian OS has a freeze crash which reports Machine Check Exceptions and Kernel panic - not syncing: Timeout synchronizing machine checks over CPUs |
| 23:52.34 | Guest22535 | I ran memtest and had no errors reported |
| 23:52.35 | jaggzt | xdpyinfo | grep -i resolution says 57x57 dots per inch |
| 23:52.44 | Guest22535 | how should I proceede figuring out the cause of the crash? |
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| 23:53.38 | Guest22535 | If this is the right place to ask for that advice? |
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