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| 00:25.08 | greatmenjmt | Hi guys, after updating repos and system itself to debian 8, i had no filezilla (i had it installed before that procedure), and if i try to install it i get this error: Package filezilla is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source However the following packages replace it: filezilla-common E: Package 'filezilla |
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| 00:32.35 | ctmjr | greatmenjmt: did you try to install filezilla-common |
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| 00:35.06 | greatmenjmt | yeah ctmjr it says its already installed |
| 00:36.30 | ctmjr | does which filezilla output anything? |
| 00:36.34 | Jasync | Does anybody know how I can add a Star Wars Aurebesh font for a "English_Star_Wars" keyboard language layout in Debian? |
| 00:38.04 | Decon | boo |
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| 01:23.46 | Asoka | http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/10/gigabytes-of-user-data-from-hack-of-patreon-donations-site-dumped-online/ |
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| 01:29.13 | hanasaki | running jessie / how do you enable the suspend and hibernate options in gnome? |
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| 01:37.26 | cra1g321 | hey folks, going to be dual-booting debian & win7 on two HDD's, debian with ecrypted LVM, and win7 on other HDD, say win7 fks up and i need to reinstall & lose GRUB, is it stil a simple reinstall of grub after? or will there be something specific, cos the install is encrypted |
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| 01:47.03 | n-st | cra1g321: everything required to decrypt the container will be contained in the initramdisk stored on your unencrypted boot partition; grub just loads and starts it. if you ever screw up your grub, you can just boot a live cd, open and mount the encrypted container and re-run grub-install |
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| 01:48.48 | cra1g321 | yeah it's 2TB drive, so will be uncrypted boot then swap home and root in encryped LVM, im not sure whether to go with XFS for home or ext4 |
| 01:50.26 | n-st | or btrfs, if you care about avoiding bit rot |
| 01:50.49 | n-st | heck, i've even heard people claiming zfs-on-linux was stable by now⦠|
| 01:51.18 | cra1g321 | yeah i've used btrfs for opensuse root but not for home |
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| 02:00.41 | shawn1 | btrfs works fine |
| 02:00.49 | shawn1 | i have used it since wheezy |
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| 02:01.05 | shawn1 | during wheezy i stayed on backport kernels to keep up with the latest btrfs features |
| 02:01.16 | shawn1 | but now i feel like there is no need |
| 02:01.26 | shawn1 | i use the kernel which came with jessie |
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| 02:08.41 | cra1g321 | shawn1 i am tempted to go btrgs |
| 02:08.44 | cra1g321 | btrfs* |
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| 02:14.42 | gefdecue | overnight should i power off my debian or hibernate it ? |
| 02:20.37 | cheapie | gefdecue: I'd personally power off. (same for Ubuntu) |
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| 02:44.47 | shawn1 | cheapie: ubuntu should be powered off forever |
| 02:45.25 | cra1g321 | ouch |
| 02:45.28 | cra1g321 | :P |
| 02:45.38 | cheapie | shawn1: Yeah, but he cross-posted that in #ubuntu. |
| 02:45.46 | shawn1 | cra1g321: i recommend it... if you want advanced features at a slight performance hit... but honestly you wont notice the performance difference on a SSD |
| 02:45.51 | cheapie | [21:18:19] <gefdecue> overnight should i power off my ubuntu or hibernate it ? |
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| 02:46.06 | cra1g321 | it's not a SSD, 2TB WD Green |
| 02:46.07 | cheapie | We went into further detal there. |
| 02:46.12 | cheapie | detail* |
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| 02:47.02 | shawn1 | cra1g321: still, its only a performance difference on paper |
| 02:47.06 | cheapie | I tried btrfs on an SSD a few months ago. The random write performance was *horrible* compared to ext4. |
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| 02:47.27 | shawn1 | i doubt in a double blind test there would be conclusive evidence of anyone detecting it without measuring it |
| 02:47.28 | cra1g321 | this is just for a desktop btw |
| 02:47.30 | cheapie | Packages took over twice as long to install. |
| 02:47.45 | cra1g321 | will be encrypted LVM |
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| 02:48.22 | shawn1 | cheapie: i'm sure that was a placebo effect, they install fast on mine |
| 02:48.28 | cheapie | Could have been a config issue. I don't know, and my head hurts when I try to wrap it around the subvolumes and such. |
| 02:49.27 | shawn1 | all i am saying is i've been using it for years now and no problems, and i still have a few ext4 installs so it's not like i dont have a frame of reference |
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| 02:50.55 | cheapie | Call me old-fashioned, but those "subvolumes" seem unnecessary too. |
| 02:52.09 | cra1g321 | well one advantage is you can have root, home as subvolumes, and dont have to worry about one being filled up, because they are using all of the free space, compared to partitions |
| 02:52.13 | shawn1 | you dont have to use them until you need to use them |
| 02:54.15 | cra1g321 | oh wait dont think root is to be a subvolume |
| 02:54.19 | cheapie | digs out the SSD he was using at the time and does some performance tests on it |
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| 02:57.18 | simonpatapon | Hi |
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| 02:58.06 | simonpatapon | what is the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 02:58.17 | aypea[3] | how does systemd start the init.d files? |
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| 02:58.37 | dvs | simonpatapon: dist-upgrade will install and remove packages if need be. |
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| 02:59.05 | simonpatapon | so upgrade removes nothing... |
| 02:59.14 | dvs | correct |
| 02:59.23 | simonpatapon | thxx |
| 02:59.46 | aypea[3] | is it a fallback thing where if no systemd config for a service is available it hunts down an init.d script? |
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| 02:59.52 | dvs | np |
| 03:00.00 | cheapie | ...and the program I was trying to use doesn't do random write testing. Huh. (also, sudo called me "burrito brains") |
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| 03:10.24 | simonpatapon | even wih dist-upgrade i get 24 package non updated |
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| 03:11.27 | dvs | use "aptitude full-upgrade" |
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| 03:18.42 | simonpatapon | thx dvs |
| 03:18.55 | simonpatapon | it removed some :i386 libs |
| 03:18.56 | dvs | no prob |
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| 03:34.04 | Diitto | test |
| 03:34.10 | dvs | !test |
| 03:34.10 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 03:34.42 | Diitto | gg |
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| 04:49.54 | veek | how do you turn off disk writes (SSD/Flash) via X and kworker |
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| 05:22.45 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 05:24.01 | strayPuppy | darxmurf: hi, need something? |
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| 05:27.36 | darxmurf | nop |
| 05:27.45 | darxmurf | as usual I say hi when I arrive in the morning... |
| 05:28.00 | darxmurf | but with pleasure a hot chocolate please |
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| 05:28.29 | darxmurf | bread, butter and jam too if you have :D |
| 05:31.48 | shawn1 | cheapie: thats exactly what i mean, everyone comes up with these measurments yet the people who use their drive for real world tasks and not benchmarking are content |
| 05:32.38 | shawn1 | so i think what happens is we only hear about people doing benchmarks and complaining about marginal differences which are completely expected |
| 05:33.25 | shawn1 | so go ahead, benchmark away. i will be here doing regular computing tasks |
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| 05:36.47 | shawn1 | if there was any chance for noticing a real world performance loss it went away when SSDs became popular |
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| 06:28.29 | pofffs | I can ping, but I can't browse websites, connect to IRC, etc, and I suspect the largest issue is dnscrypt-proxy |
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| 06:29.24 | pofffs | is there a flood channel? I can't browse, so I can't use pastebin |
| 06:30.34 | darxmurf | pofffs : /join #blablablaflood |
| 06:30.37 | darxmurf | :) |
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| 06:31.28 | arahael | pofffs: I'd be wary of freenode's flood protection. |
| 06:31.48 | arahael | pofffs: Which will quite dramatically rate limit you. |
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| 06:33.05 | pofffs | hmm... does debian.org use a static IP I can connect to? |
| 06:33.41 | pofffs | nm, I can resolve the IP |
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| 06:35.41 | pofffs | this is so weird... I can connect to websites by IP address, but my routing table for some reason is breaking dnscrypt-proxy |
| 06:36.24 | pofffs | restarting it does nothing useful; if I drop my (second) VPN connection, it works fine, but when I connect to my second VPN hop, it just dies. |
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| 06:36.47 | pofffs | everything else appears to route properly |
| 06:38.01 | pofffs | maybe it isn't my routing table after all |
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| 06:51.07 | chribo | Hey guys - kinda new to Linux (debian) and I can't do an aptitude update - I already exported the http and https proxy - any ideas what went wrong? |
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| 06:53.40 | arahael | chribo: None of that makes sense. Why can't you do an aptitude update? What did you mean by export http and https proxy? |
| 06:54.23 | chribo | I can't update my installed packages which are installed and I thought it was because of the missing proxy settings |
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| 06:57.29 | chribo | arahael: Oh well I just checked the error messages: Downloading from http://http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie/updates/main/source/Sources failed: 503 Service Unavailable |
| 06:57.47 | arahael | chribo: Notice anything odd with that url? :) |
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| 06:58.12 | arahael | chribo: Particularly with the first 14 characters. |
| 06:58.12 | chribo | yeah but I just typed it by hand, the : is missing |
| 06:58.27 | chribo | aptitute update tries a working one |
| 06:58.43 | chribo | http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie/updates/main/source/Sources |
| 06:58.51 | arahael | chribo: Particularly how the first 7 characters are the same as the next 7 characters... |
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| 06:59.09 | chribo | arahael: yeah I know haha |
| 06:59.35 | chribo | I just re-typed the error message I receive when I do an 'aptitude update' |
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| 07:18.18 | reggae | at least marriage'.....are closely. honky contist. its a like the person. what sure faste space mission bronson |
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| 07:19.42 | chribo | Anyone else receiving 503 errors on security.debian.org? |
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| 07:21.47 | Casper366 | hi. when i jump to a different agetty-window (ctrl+alt+f1) the font-size is huge. How can i turn that down? |
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| 07:22.58 | jelly | Casper366: different from ctrl-alt-f2? |
| 07:23.14 | Casper366 | no, f1-f5 are alle huge |
| 07:23.24 | Casper366 | f6 too |
| 07:24.24 | jelly | Casper366: that's normal if you use eg. nvidia closed driver, or have some other reason why graphical framebuffer console is disabled |
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| 07:25.01 | Casper366 | jelly: so its not changable? what do you mean with "closed driver"? |
| 07:25.29 | jelly | closed source* driver |
| 07:26.01 | Casper366 | jelly: I see. can I enable the framebuffer or will that bodge up everything? |
| 07:26.25 | jelly | Casper366: do you, in fact use nvidia blob driver? |
| 07:26.40 | Casper366 | jelly: I believe I do. |
| 07:27.03 | jelly | then that's it. Use X, it's faster anyway |
| 07:27.20 | Casper366 | jelly: Ok. thanks |
| 07:28.24 | jelly | Casper366: if you're able to switch back to free nouveau driver, it enables fb console, but it might not work well enough for your needs |
| 07:29.19 | jelly | so if your current setup is stable, it's probably best to leave the text mode console as it is... use it just for emergencies if X breaks |
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| 07:30.11 | Casper366 | jelly: its not a very important issue. If there would have been an easy way (e.g. config-file) to decrease the font-size in agetty without destroying anything in my x, then it would have been nice. if not its no problem either |
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| 07:30.31 | Casper366 | jelly: I'll go with your advice and won't touch a running system ;-) |
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| 07:33.29 | jelly | Casper366: yeah, there's no sane way to change font size without changing resolution. Linux console uses a specific VGA text-mode in your case, and text-mode resolution is basically fixed on any recent video card. Best you could do is load an 8x8 font instead of default 8x16, and get 80x50 squished ugly letters instead of default 80x25. |
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| 07:36.47 | Casper366 | chuckles on "no sane way" |
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| 07:37.16 | Casper366 | jelly: so its the graphic-card along with the driver, that "choose" the size? |
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| 07:39.04 | jelly | Casper366: for the text mode, it's always the same legacy resolution (640x400 or 720x400) that you can't escape from. Free drivers avoid it completely by switching to a graphical mode where more resoultions are available. |
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| 07:40.07 | Casper366 | jelly: ok, now i understand |
| 07:40.48 | Casper366 | jelly: and properitary drivers don't invest that much time to do it |
| 07:41.26 | jelly | correct, nvidia's driver does not care about linux console at all really |
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| 08:23.58 | akoma1s | Installed jessie on BIOS + GPT partition scheme (with ef02 partition) + btrfs under Qemu. After second reboot I'm getting thrown to the grub rescue prompt with "unknown filesystem". Adding an ext4 partition for /boot didn't help. Any ideas? |
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| 08:41.31 | CalEzone | Say, I have a legacy Nvidia GeForce4 MX Integrated GPU, and its companion nForce2 chipset, and I need the stable Debian drivers for them. Could someone pass me a URL to download them from? The driver name in an installed system looks like this: "/lib/modules/x.x.xx.xx-x.x-default/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko". Thanks in advance. |
| 08:42.33 | jelly | CalEzone: which debian release do you have installed? |
| 08:43.08 | CalEzone | jelly: there is no Debian release installed in this machine. |
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| 08:43.17 | jelly | CalEzone: that fb kernel module has to match your running kernel, and it comes with the kernel, too |
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| 08:43.48 | jelly | CalEzone: so the only way to use it is to actually install debian's kernel |
| 08:43.54 | CalEzone | Does the current Debian stable include it? |
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| 08:44.28 | CalEzone | jelly: yes, that's the ideaâto replace the old system with the current Debian stable release. |
| 08:44.34 | jelly | CalEzone: it's probable nouveau has replaced nvidiafb. What is your VGA card's pci id? |
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| 08:45.12 | CalEzone | jelly: jst a sec., lemme check |
| 08:45.26 | jelly | but since that card is rather old, it's anyone's guess how well the current release works on it |
| 08:45.36 | jelly | CalEzone: lspci -nn output line |
| 08:45.57 | CalEzone | 'k |
| 08:46.40 | CalEzone | "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [Class 0300]: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU] [10de:01f0] (rev a3)" |
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| 08:48.31 | CalEzone | jelly: ^^^ |
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| 08:53.31 | jelly | judd: pciid 10de:01f0 |
| 08:53.33 | judd | [10de:01f0] is 'C17 [GeForce4 MX IGP]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:01f0 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 08:54.13 | jelly | CalEzone: well, it seems to have at least nominal support with nouveau driver in debian 8. So go ahead and try installing that. |
| 08:54.31 | jelly | or get the live image and see whether it works |
| 08:55.29 | CalEzone | jelly: you mean nouveau driver is present in Debian 8 by default? |
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| 08:56.25 | jelly | CalEzone: yes. |
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| 08:57.08 | CalEzone | jelly: ok, thanks |
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| 08:59.03 | CalEzone | in case nouveau does not work, is it possible to modprobe the old "nvidiafb.ko" module when Debian 8 boots? |
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| 08:59.58 | jelly | CalEzone: that one does not exist any more |
| 09:00.20 | CalEzone | jelly: not even in old releases of Debian? |
| 09:00.40 | jelly | CalEzone: I've only looked at debian 7 and 8 |
| 09:00.41 | Aprendiz1234 | I am trying to configure a DHCP server but I have some doubts. I have found an option ldap server, what is its mission? set the default ldap server for clients? |
| 09:01.09 | jelly | judd: file nvidiafb.ko --release squeeze |
| 09:01.13 | judd | Search for nvidiafb.ko in squeeze/amd64: linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-xen-amd64/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-vserver-amd64: lib/modules/2.6.32-5-vserver-amd64/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64: |
| 09:01.14 | judd | lib/modules/2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64-dbg: usr/lib/debug/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64-dbg: usr/lib/debug/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko; linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64-dbg: usr/lib/debug/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-xen- (1 more message) |
| 09:01.36 | jelly | CalEzone: still present in debian 6, which is now in limited, long-term support |
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| 09:02.51 | CalEzone | jelly: well, i'm wondering if Debian 8 would run without problem the old "nvidiafb.ko" module when loaded with modprobe . . . ? |
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| 09:03.45 | CalEzone | judd: thanks |
| 09:04.04 | arahael | CalEzone: Doubtful, I don't think you can run debian 8 reliably with kernel 2.6 |
| 09:04.20 | Aprendiz1234 | anyone configure DHCP server with iscp-dhcp-server? |
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| 09:05.30 | CalEzone | arahael: "nvidiafb.ko" is not the 2.6 kernel, it's just a module. |
| 09:05.57 | arahael | CalEzone: Semantics. |
| 09:06.19 | arahael | CalEzone: You can't mix modules between different kernels, in any case. At least, not sanely. |
| 09:06.43 | CalEzone | arahael: oh i see what you mean. |
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| 09:08.58 | CalEzone | Does Live-CD for Debian 8 include the nouveau drivers as well, by default? |
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| 09:10.35 | CalEzone | Where can I see a list of package names that ship in the Debian 8 Live-CD? |
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| 09:11.01 | jelly | CalEzone: livecd does include the kernel package and all the drivers, so yes |
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| 09:14.12 | CalEzone | oh fooey . . . i'm fukt then. Because I already ran the Live-CD and it ran like sheisse. It fell back to doing some software emulation for displaying on the monitor. |
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| 09:15.20 | CalEzone | display ran slower than paint drying on a wall. |
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| 09:17.04 | bumbar_ | if i have symlinks in a dir, and delete dir with rm -rf, will that delete the symlinks or will follow the symlinks and delete to where they are pointing to? |
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| 09:17.35 | CalEzone | bumbar_: no, it won't delete the targets |
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| 09:18.59 | CalEzone | wheee. hadn't seen a net split in a while. |
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| 09:21.25 | CalEzone | bumbar_: run a quick test in /tmp dir. Make /tmp/dir1, and /tmp/dir2. Then make a symlink in dir1 pointing to dir2. Then clobber /tmp/dir1 and see if /tmp/dir2 is still there. |
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| 09:22.10 | thenewone | Hi guys i wanna setup a pxe i found this documentation is this still working until now because it's writen in 2006 |
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| 09:22.12 | thenewone | https://www.debian-administration.org/article/478/Setting_up_a_server_for_PXE_network_booting |
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| 09:22.58 | bumbar_ | CalEzone, nice, thanks |
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| 09:27.18 | pofffs | anything look wrong with the following two routes? |
| 09:27.29 | pofffs | 172.16.32.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.240.0 U 0 0 0 tun1 |
| 09:27.38 | pofffs | 0.0.0.0 172.16.32.1 0.0.0.0 UG 5 0 0 tun1 |
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| 09:28.24 | pofffs | the second one looks alright to me - that is telling my system to route through my VPN gateway IP |
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| 09:28.42 | pofffs | the first one I don't really understand... I don't know why it uses that netmask or a gateway of 0.0.0.0 |
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| 09:30.02 | Ticho | assuming tun1 interface has an IP address in this subnet, the route is correct |
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| 09:30.54 | pofffs | Ticho, thanks. |
| 09:31.17 | hypermist | CalEzone, dont say that about netsplits or they'll come back D: |
| 09:31.44 | CalEzone | hypermist: heh :D |
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| 09:31.59 | hypermist | And thats normally what happens CalEzone xD |
| 09:32.00 | Ticho | pofffs: you probably have a similar route in the table for your local network interface |
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| 09:35.47 | chribo | I can't seem to update my aptitude - I've added some more mirrors to my mirrorlist but most of the time I get 404 errors when he's looking for /binary-amd64/Packages - any ideas? |
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| 09:43.12 | DrOwl | Hi All, |
| 09:44.10 | DrOwl | When you use the debian installer to create an encripted install, how does it build up the partision / FS? |
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| 09:44.56 | DrOwl | im thinking its Partision -> LUKS encripted volume -> LVM. is that right |
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| 09:45.24 | DrOwl | if so what type of partision is the encripted volume set to? |
| 09:45.32 | reber | hi there. I'm looking for a way to install php4 or php5.0 on armh. Compiling php4 doesn't give me any good results atm |
| 09:45.32 | CalEzone | Does jigdo write directly to a CD, or does it write to hard disk? |
| 09:45.53 | ewew | DrOwl What install method you are using ? Expert or normal ? |
| 09:46.29 | Aprendiz1234__ | I am trying to configure a DHCP server and I have problems starting the server. I have this error => dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces! |
| 09:46.50 | DrOwl | ewew: it was some time ago but i think normal |
| 09:47.10 | DrOwl | i am asking as i managed to acdently delete the partisions! |
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| 09:47.22 | arinov | hello |
| 09:47.23 | DrOwl | and am attempting to recreate them |
| 09:47.30 | ewew | DrOwl Then you should try on noncritical system expert install. |
| 09:47.39 | arinov | is there iptables in debian 7.8? |
| 09:47.48 | DrOwl | the boot partision is still there |
| 09:48.26 | ewew | DrOwl Stop |
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| 09:48.50 | DrOwl | ewew: =) |
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| 09:49.29 | ewew | DrOwl Again. Tell us what do you want to do a describe what you have done so far. |
| 09:51.02 | DrOwl | ewew: Ok, well i was trying to erase a USB stick using gparted, i was in a rush and well deleted two partision from my primary disk instead! |
| 09:51.22 | DrOwl | i know stupid as hell, but its what it is! |
| 09:51.25 | ewew | Did you restart |
| 09:51.45 | DrOwl | So yesterday the system was still running, and i managed to save some data |
| 09:52.03 | DrOwl | today it was shutdown |
| 09:52.14 | DrOwl | Its my laptop |
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| 09:52.43 | DrOwl | when it was running i ran gpart on it which found nothing at all |
| 09:52.44 | ewew | google string how to restore deleted partition. I can not guarante you will have success. |
| 09:53.07 | DrOwl | ewew: ya! i have doubts my slef |
| 09:53.35 | DrOwl | i was hoping to understand a little more about the partisions so i could manualy rebuild them |
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| 09:54.05 | ewew | The best way is to have 1:1 copy of the disk. |
| 09:54.27 | DrOwl | i have desktop i installed in the same way and am confused why it has two partisions mapping the same drive stace |
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| 09:55.41 | DrOwl | ^space |
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| 09:59.08 | davout | hello all, just installed jessie, using assisted partitioning, but i end up on a grub shell after reboot |
| 09:59.22 | davout | with no idea what to do from here |
| 09:59.23 | petn-randall | davout: How did you prepare the install image? |
| 09:59.38 | davout | just burned the ISO on a USB stick |
| 09:59.50 | petn-randall | davout: Did you use unetbootin? |
| 09:59.52 | davout | debian-8.2.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
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| 10:00.23 | davout | petn-randall: i don't think i did, DL'd the image, dd'd it on the USB stick, booted and used the curses install |
| 10:00.23 | ewew | DrOwl Try on working machine testdisk. |
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| 10:05.23 | DrOwl | ewew: Ok i have testdisk running |
| 10:05.47 | ewew | But i can not guarantee results |
| 10:06.58 | petn-randall | davout: I see. Using unetbootin or some other tool that might mangle the installer typically causes this problem, because grub gets confused and doesn't write the bootloader properly. |
| 10:07.43 | arahael | petn-randall: I though ti twas just a nice GUI for various tasks? |
| 10:07.47 | arahael | petn-randall: Should it be avoided? |
| 10:08.23 | petn-randall | arahael: Yes, it rewrites parts of the image, which causes the bootloader that is written in the end to be unbootable. |
| 10:08.30 | petn-randall | !unetbootin |
| 10:08.30 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 10:08.50 | arahael | Blegh. :( |
| 10:09.07 | arahael | WOrked for me when writing it to a USB stick though. Guess I was just lucky. |
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| 10:12.14 | DrOwl | ewew: its running and founf a few things so far looks proising! |
| 10:12.22 | DrOwl | ewew: Thank you |
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| 10:12.58 | ewew | DrOwl Before you do something read the documentation for testdisk. |
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| 10:13.14 | DrOwl | im not quite sure what the output is showing me but ill try rtfm |
| 10:13.19 | DrOwl | =) |
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| 10:15.42 | petn-randall | davout: Is there any error message? You could boot from the same USB image again, select "rescue system" and fix that from there. |
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| 10:17.06 | davout | petn-randall: i simply used dd to copy the image to the USB stick, which boots fine, i'll try the rescue mode, not sure how to proceed to fix grub from there though |
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| 10:17.51 | davout | my problem is also that i'm documenting the process as a way for other people to install debian |
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| 10:18.13 | davout | so ideally i would find a way to get it properly installed on first pass |
| 10:19.27 | AvatarA | now you can document fixing such an issue |
| 10:19.37 | davout | :-D |
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| 10:31.58 | petn-randall | !tell davout about fixmbr |
| 10:32.37 | petn-randall | davout: dpkg sent you instructions via PM. Feel free to ask if you run into anything you're unsure about. |
| 10:33.18 | davout | petn-randall: tyvm, still curious why i'm encountering this behaviour in the first place |
| 10:33.55 | AvatarA | check your grub.cfg |
| 10:34.39 | petn-randall | davout: Good question. The last step of you installation is the grub installation. Did you maybe install it to somewhere else than the HHD (/dev/sda)? Or was there any error when you did it? |
| 10:35.01 | AvatarA | if he gets to the grub command line I would say grub was properly written to the boot sector |
| 10:35.17 | petn-randall | AvatarA: Yes, the first stage, but not the others. |
| 10:35.50 | petn-randall | davout: I assume you have a BIOS, and not an UEFI, system? |
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| 10:36.34 | AvatarA | a pastebin of "fdisk -l" and of grub.cfg would be useful |
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| 10:40.35 | davout | petn-randall: I did enable the "legacy support" in my bios to get the usb stick working |
| 10:40.48 | davout | well, bootingh |
| 10:40.52 | davout | *booting |
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| 10:42.57 | davout | aha, so if I re-disable the "legacy support" but explicitly disable the "secure boot" bios option, the USB stick is picked up on boot, gonna re-do the install and let you know how that works out |
| 10:43.48 | g00se | Why should legacy be disabled? Sounds wrong |
| 10:44.27 | ewew | g00se Boot security ? |
| 10:44.39 | davout | g00se: it's some HP lappy that comes with some windows crapolade pre-installed |
| 10:45.08 | davout | i have no idea what all these bios options actually do, never really looked into it |
| 10:45.08 | g00se | Generally speaking you will want legacy on and secure off |
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| 10:46.25 | ewew | g00se In secure mode you need signed bootloader. |
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| 10:47.12 | davout | g00se: i had this, (switching to legacy mode on automatically disabled the secure mode) |
| 10:47.12 | g00se | Yes, so ... secure off |
| 10:47.34 | g00se | davout: yes, it normally does |
| 10:47.49 | davout | but apparently, from what i gather grub only half-installed itself, so i'm now trying with legacy mode off and secure mode off |
| 10:48.16 | davout | and from what you tell me, having the legacy mode enabled can't be the cause of the grub issues |
| 10:48.30 | g00se | They're different issues |
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| 10:48.48 | g00se | You need to rescue probably and install grub properly |
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| 10:49.30 | ewew | g00se I think this is not a easy task. |
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| 10:49.45 | g00se | uses the excellent SystemRescueCD |
| 10:49.50 | davout | aha, i'll try that if the next install yields the same result |
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| 10:50.03 | ewew | davout How good are your linux skills ? |
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| 10:50.43 | g00se | You just need to install grub carefully |
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| 10:51.29 | davout | g00se: yeah, i guess i'll learn why the install fails to install it in the first place from the error message, if any |
| 10:51.31 | ewew | davout Use exper installer mode. |
| 10:51.49 | davout | ewew: i'll give it a try |
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| 10:54.05 | ewew | davout You are installing on non-critical system ? |
| 10:54.52 | davout | ewew: i'm installing an absolutely critical system, which is why i need to nail it, understand exactly what's going on, and most importantly document it properly :-) |
| 10:55.46 | ewew | davout No risk of data loss ? |
| 10:56.14 | petn-randall | davout: You can't enable and disable legacy mode and expect it to boot. It's because both methods use completely different boot methods. |
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| 10:57.02 | petn-randall | davout: If you want to keep the Windows on it, put the settings back to whatever they were before (Windows won't boot otherwise), and boot the USB image in *that* mode. And then booting into Debian should also work. |
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| 10:57.24 | davout | ewew: the systems in question may hold sensitive data, but the risk is that this data gets stolen, the data can't ever be lost, it's already backed up properly |
| 10:57.30 | petn-randall | davout: It's a very unfortunate pitfall, I don't know if it's documented in the release notes. |
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| 10:57.50 | davout | petn-randall: for all i care the windows install can go die in a fire |
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| 10:58.20 | petn-randall | davout: Ah, very good :). In that case, set to UEFI mode, disable secure boot, and make sure legacy mode is off. |
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| 10:58.27 | baum | question: is it save to pause an upgrade? |
| 10:58.35 | petn-randall | baum: In what sense? |
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| 10:59.31 | ewew | baum When downloading or installing phase ? |
| 10:59.37 | petn-randall | baum: At what point do you want to pause it? |
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| 10:59.57 | baum | petn-randall: i started an update (apt-get upgrade) by mistake on a mobile data connection, thus i'd like to pause it in order to switch networks |
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| 11:00.21 | petn-randall | baum: ctrl + c should be fine, as long as it is still downloading. |
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| 11:00.41 | ewew | or CTRL + Z |
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| 11:00.57 | petn-randall | ewew: Eh, don't. |
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| 11:01.11 | ewew | ok |
| 11:01.12 | jelly | seeing as the current connection is going to drop anyway, suspending makes little sense |
| 11:01.12 | baum | alright thanks, thought i should just check in order to not break anything |
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| 11:01.24 | petn-randall | ewew: You'll get an error because the connection drops at the end of the run. |
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| 11:02.09 | petn-randall | ewew: It would make sense in other cases, though. Just not when there is network traffic. |
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| 11:14.49 | placko | Hi, since yesterday iceweasell stoped to show any video on YOUTUBE. It showed message: "This plugin is vulnerable and should be updated. Activate Adobe Flash." |
| 11:15.16 | baum | placko: means you should use html5 instead of flash :) |
| 11:15.35 | baum | is quite happy that flash finally dies |
| 11:15.40 | placko | baum: How to do that? |
| 11:16.28 | baum | placko: the option can be set at youtube.com/html5 if i recall it right |
| 11:16.57 | baum | reboots *crossing fingers* |
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| 11:18.35 | baum | it worked! |
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| 11:19.35 | placko | baum: thanks it worked! |
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| 11:21.22 | placko | baum: Unfortunatelly now fullscreen is disabled :( I guess this is better than no video at all. |
| 11:21.43 | baum | placko: what do you mean by fullscreen is disabled? |
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| 11:22.37 | CalEzone | How do I find out in which Debian version a particular kernel version was shipped? |
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| 11:24.43 | CalEzone | sorry, have to run . . . |
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| 11:31.03 | placko | baum: If I click on lower right icon in video to turn on fullscreen it pops up small transparent note with "Full screen is unavailable." |
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| 11:31.41 | baum | placko: now that's strange, didn't experience that error yet, sorry |
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| 11:40.21 | `ryban | hi |
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| 11:48.12 | atomtm | Guys pls help!whenever i try to login i get timeout in locking authority.what is wrong? |
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| 11:49.15 | placko | baum: Well the whole message was "Full screen is unavailable. Learn more..." When clicked on "Learn more..." link (https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6276924) there was some suggestion how to fix this. For some reason My setting for youtube.com site was to disable fullscreen. Now I changed that and I can use fullscreen again. Thanks for note that you do not have this problem. I might let it be :( |
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| 11:49.41 | atomtm | Anyone pls? |
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| 11:51.19 | jelly | atomtm: even at the console? |
| 11:51.42 | atomtm | Yes I get it with startx jelly |
| 11:53.09 | atomtm | Should i modify xauthority file? |
| 11:53.12 | SuperTramp83 | tries the command "startx jelly" |
| 11:53.17 | atomtm | In home? |
| 11:54.43 | jelly | atomtm: wait what, so you manage to log in to even be able to run startx? |
| 11:55.12 | atomtm | I loged in with ctrl alt f1 |
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| 11:55.27 | jelly | yes, that's what I meant "at the console" |
| 11:55.29 | atomtm | From there I typed startx |
| 11:55.41 | atomtm | And got the error |
| 11:55.49 | jelly | atomtm: does it persist after reboot? |
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| 11:55.57 | atomtm | Yes |
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| 11:56.32 | atomtm | This happened after i backed up with deja dup |
| 11:56.59 | atomtm | Ignored home folder |
| 11:57.15 | profor | y jo |
| 11:57.31 | atomtm | Found that i should remove xauthority file as su |
| 11:57.44 | atomtm | Is this correct? |
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| 12:02.34 | jelly | atomtm: only if it's for some reason owned by root |
| 12:02.55 | sIRwa2 | Hi, just installed D8 to test. but the acount i created is not part of sudo group, but login as root is also not permitted⦠did i mess something up during instalation? |
| 12:03.12 | jelly | atomtm: show the output of ls -ld ~ ~/.Xauthority |
| 12:03.16 | sIRwa2 | ant tips? |
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| 12:03.42 | jelly | dpkg, tell sIRwa2 about ifrp |
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| 12:06.18 | sIRwa2 | why is this by default so strickt and very user unfriendly? |
| 12:07.28 | bezaban | root login should work fine at the console after a new install |
| 12:08.12 | ErikDrakken | sIRwa2: You should have assigned a root password during the installation. You should be able to log in with that. If you want sudo, you can install the package after that login and add your user account to the sudo group to get that functionality. |
| 12:08.31 | bezaban | if you need to reset the root password, those are the steps outlined by dpkg |
| 12:08.37 | reber | hi all how to add debian key of snapshot.debian.org plz ? |
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| 12:09.17 | sIRwa2 | i did assing root password.. by trying to change user to user: root |
| 12:09.41 | sIRwa2 | system said: login as root not permitted |
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| 12:10.15 | atomtm | jelly sorry i am on phone now |
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| 12:10.36 | bezaban | sIRwa2: is that in X? try at console, or su - root |
| 12:11.12 | atomtm | Drwxr-xr-x root root /home/atomtm |
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| 12:11.24 | atomtm | This from yesterday jelly |
| 12:11.33 | sIRwa2 | yes in X |
| 12:12.02 | bezaban | ah right, no reason to X as root imo |
| 12:12.36 | atomtm | Next line is:-rw------- atomtm 23sep /home/atomtm/.Xauthority |
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| 12:13.05 | sIRwa2 | weird.. su root works, was using âsudo suâ |
| 12:13.12 | sIRwa2 | :) tnx all |
| 12:13.26 | bezaban | normal behaviour, happy you solved it :) |
| 12:13.30 | atomtm | jelly so is this owned by root? |
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| 12:15.05 | jelly | atomtm: says "atomtm" not "root" |
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| 12:15.39 | jelly | atomtm: however your home dir is wrongly owned by root. |
| 12:15.47 | atomtm | jelly I started X as root and I started X |
| 12:16.02 | jelly | atomtm: chown atomtm /home/atomtm. Don't run X as root. |
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| 12:23.44 | m4dfry | hi guys, i need help w/ this bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=798597 |
| 12:23.45 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/798597 in imagemagick-dbg (open): «imagemagick-dbg: blocks upgrades / cannot be installed»; severity: grave; opened: 2015-09-10; last modified: 2015-09-11. |
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| 12:25.36 | m4dfry | i must install this package libmagickwand-dev, but apt-get can not resolve dependencies |
| 12:25.49 | m4dfry | is this related to the bug ^ |
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| 12:32.55 | benedict | hi folks, i got a problem. i am getting I/O errors on my iscsi device (its a netapp) with open-iscsi. Can anybody give me some help? Here is the output of my logs: http://pastebin.com/SfRSeHdn |
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| 12:49.47 | Mac101 | hello, just thinking about switching to debian & doing some research to make sure theres alterantives to all my normal apps & that my hardware will work |
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| 12:50.15 | Mac101 | So just wondering if there are any other usenet readers other than pan |
| 12:50.29 | Mac101 | for grabbing headers (not just nzb clients)? |
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| 12:59.01 | er4z0r | Mac101: doesn't thunderbird/iceweasel do that too? |
| 12:59.33 | Mac101 | afaik they are no good for binary downloading |
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| 13:00.13 | agares | is there other way to use nvidia optimus on debian than bumblebee? |
| 13:02.03 | ewew | Is the madness of watching power comsuption will never end ? |
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| 13:08.05 | anexit | Question, I have a windows program that runs strictly on windows. Is there a way in debian to emulate this? I use debian as a terminal server, didn't know if there was a way where I could just run VirtualBox or KVM through an icon. |
| 13:08.24 | anexit | Wine tries to work but it fails because of a version mismatch |
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| 13:09.06 | rozie | wine is configurable. you may need to install some additional components |
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| 13:09.16 | rozie | but it's not Windows |
| 13:09.25 | rozie | they have DB on their page |
| 13:09.33 | fennesz | Does anyone know how to run the Qtdesigner for pyQt? |
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| 13:13.30 | dowwie | how do I go about installing python 3.5 using these debian packages? apt-get install isn't recognizing them.. https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/python3.5 |
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| 13:16.22 | jelly | dowwie: they are not for your debian 8 installation. |
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| 13:16.27 | jelly | ,v python3.5 |
| 13:16.28 | judd | Package: python3.5 on amd64 -- sid: 3.5.0-2; stretch: 3.5.0-2 |
| 13:16.35 | jelly | ,v python |
| 13:16.37 | judd | Package: python on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; stretch: 2.7.9-1; sid: 2.7.9-1; jessie: 2.7.9-1 |
| 13:16.43 | jelly | ,v python3 |
| 13:16.44 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; sid: 3.4.3-6; stretch: 3.4.3-6 |
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| 13:18.13 | jelly | dowwie: if you want to experiment, you can set up a second system with "stretch" (current debian testing) and try those packages there |
| 13:18.46 | hgt | My audio doesnât work. I donât hear anything. My user is in the audio group. Thatâs my sound card: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05) Subsystem: Dell Device 04ab Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 45 Memory at fe500000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: <access denied> Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel |
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| 13:21.23 | er4z0r | hgt: have you checked alsamixer? |
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| 13:21.46 | hgt | er4z0r: I have. Master is up to 100%. |
| 13:22.08 | er4z0r | sure it is for the right device? |
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| 13:23.20 | hgt | er4z0r: I just re-selcted it (from default to itâs name; apparently it lost my selection during boot) but nothing changed. |
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| 13:23.30 | jelly | hgt: if there's a PCM and Front, verify those are at 100% and unmuted (try pressing 'm' a couple times) |
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| 13:23.58 | g00se | amixer | pastebinit |
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| 13:26.14 | SHOTbyGUN | pavucontrol > alsamixer |
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| 13:27.20 | hgt | er4z0r: jelly: Something strange just happend. I unplugged and replugged the jack cable and now I have sound. How come? |
| 13:27.59 | jelly | magic, or possibly, friendship |
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| 13:28.06 | jelly | hgt: is it a laptop? |
| 13:28.17 | hgt | jelly: no |
| 13:28.40 | jelly | SHOTbyGUN: pavucontrol and alsamixer do mostly different things |
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| 13:29.42 | jelly | hgt: you might be having cabling issues, who knows, but some cards detect plugging in |
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| 13:29.52 | SHOTbyGUN | I don't think so, imo alsamixer is useless and pavucontrol = true control of audio |
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| 13:30.06 | hgt | jelly: Letâs see if it still works after logging out |
| 13:30.41 | jelly | SHOTbyGUN: pavucontrol doesn't even show most hardware controls |
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| 13:31.34 | SHOTbyGUN | well it shows all hardware controls that I use :3 |
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| 13:32.35 | er4z0r | what is it? pulse audio related? |
| 13:32.50 | SHOTbyGUN | yeah, pulse audio control panel |
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| 13:50.53 | veek | how do i boot the os in read only mode and turn off journaling |
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| 13:51.29 | veek | tune2fs -O cribs about being rw |
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| 13:53.50 | xkpe | hi |
| 13:54.19 | xkpe | I'm trying to install the phpmyadmin package, but I get an error ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
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| 13:55.03 | xkpe | I have a password setup for the root account, but the installation doesn't ask me for it |
| 13:55.21 | veek | how do i boot the os in read only mode |
| 13:55.48 | veek | that's for mysql admin? |
| 13:56.01 | veek | it's asking for the db passwd |
| 13:56.20 | veek | which is different from system pass |
| 13:56.28 | xkpe | The problem is that i doesn't ask for any password |
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| 13:56.58 | xkpe | It's trying to authenticate without a password |
| 13:57.25 | zeeble | create a .my.cnf in your account and put the username/pass in it |
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| 13:58.12 | petn-randall | veek: What are you trying to achieve? Switching a running system to r/o sounds like an unusual thing to do. |
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| 14:00.05 | veek | petn-randall, need to tune2fs |
| 14:00.21 | jelly | veek: boot off a livecd/liveusb/rescue if it's your / fs |
| 14:00.33 | jelly | why do you want to switch off the journal? |
| 14:00.39 | veek | besides that.. any other way via grub |
| 14:00.47 | veek | jelly flash disk |
| 14:00.51 | jelly | so? |
| 14:01.02 | veek | writes are a pain |
| 14:01.17 | jelly | not really |
| 14:01.45 | jelly | is this a server with some weird workload or just a workstation/laptop? |
| 14:01.59 | veek | laptop |
| 14:02.19 | veek | messing with it that is |
| 14:03.02 | jelly | no need to worry about ext3/ext3 journal there |
| 14:03.12 | jelly | ext3 or ext4* |
| 14:03.14 | petn-randall | veek: Then you should use a live system. You can't fiddle with the rootfs like that, even if it's mounted r/o. |
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| 14:03.22 | veek | ext4 |
| 14:03.25 | xkpe | zeeble, thanks, I did what you said, but then when I run dpkg-reconfigure, it finally asked me for the password, anyway, the problem is solved, thanks |
| 14:03.28 | zeeble | At grub screen, just press E to edit.. choose the kernel line select |
| 14:03.48 | zeeble | and put ro at the end |
| 14:04.25 | veek | zeeble, yeah did that, it was already ro after 'quiet' |
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| 14:04.46 | petn-randall | zeeble: ... only for it to be mounted rw by the options in /etc/fstab. |
| 14:04.48 | veek | so i tried with 'sinlge' |
| 14:04.51 | veek | single |
| 14:05.08 | zeeble | true petn-randall .. best would be to go to fstab and edit it :) |
| 14:05.45 | petn-randall | zeeble: That wouldn't change the fact that you *still* can't change options on a mounted filesystem like that. |
| 14:06.01 | petn-randall | veek: What options do you want to add/remove on your rootfs? |
| 14:06.17 | veek | petn-randall, has_journal |
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| 14:07.01 | petn-randall | veek: You'll have to boot a live image to achieve that. |
| 14:07.07 | veek | okay nm i'll just boot to the other disk SATA and set it |
| 14:07.28 | Thorax2015 | Anyone know why i cant drag and drop audio files from a network share straight into vlc's playlist? |
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| 14:09.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hi. Where are standard kernel configs maintained? |
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| 14:13.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, is that in kernel/linux.git? |
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| 14:16.50 | veek | [hew much better |
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| 14:41.59 | veek | wth is this: kworker/u4:5(97): WRITE block 12585008 on sdc1 (8 sectors) |
| 14:42.09 | veek | 24 of those lines |
| 14:42.26 | veek | how do i figure out what he's so busy writing |
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| 14:45.59 | kaak | I'm trying to get mount/unmount notifications by using select() on /proc/mounts, but select just always reports that data is ready to be read. Am I misunderstanding something about /proc/mounts? |
| 14:46.21 | kaak | According to the man page for procfs, the mounts psuedofile should be selectable: http://linux.die.net/man/5/proc |
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| 14:47.03 | kaak | Here is the C code I'm working from: https://gist.github.com/shoban/837605 |
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| 14:49.21 | jelly | kaak: did you try older kernel to see if it broke somewhere along the way |
| 14:50.23 | kaak | jelly, I've tried 3.19 and 3.16, but nothing older. I think I may fire up a VM and see if that is the case |
| 14:50.56 | jelly | something like RHEL5 (2.6.18), Debian 6 (2.6.32) and Debian 7 (3.2) perhaps |
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| 14:53.40 | jhutchins_wk | Very strange. Just this channel was frozen at 4 AM. |
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| 14:54.58 | Ownix | I just increased my VMs HDD space in vmware and I need to increase it in Debain, I can see the drive is 31G in fdisk -l but in df -h it says its only 5.8G the disk doesnt have any partitions its /dev/sdb and thats it |
| 14:55.47 | Ownix | looks like a shutdown -r now and then a sudo resize2fs /dev/sdb did it |
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| 14:56.02 | Ownix | not sure how I coulda done this without bringing down the filesystem |
| 14:56.16 | rozie | Ownix: which FS? |
| 14:57.28 | Ownix | rozie: not sure: |
| 14:57.31 | Ownix | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/y7ZLbvWe/ |
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| 14:57.43 | jhutchins_wk | Ownix: Most likely ext4. |
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| 14:57.58 | rozie | Ownix: mount? |
| 14:58.29 | Ownix | rozie: its mounted and was in use. I was trying to avoid restarting but resize2fs didnt work until reboot |
| 14:58.51 | rozie | output of mount command shows FS |
| 14:59.02 | Ownix | rozie: jhutchins_wk /dev/sdb: UUID="3ace94a6-595d-49c4-862e-d4cdc12027dc" TYPE="ext4" |
| 14:59.07 | Ownix | I used blkid |
| 15:00.13 | rozie | OK, so the problem was: resize2fs does not recorded block device size change |
| 15:00.29 | Ownix | yeah it didnt see it until I restarted the OS |
| 15:01.02 | rozie | did you try -f ? |
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| 15:02.07 | rozie | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/re-read-the-partition-table-without-rebooting-linux-system.html may be useful |
| 15:03.18 | rozie | http://serverfault.com/questions/36038/reread-partition-table-without-rebooting - kpartx part also may be helpful |
| 15:03.26 | Ownix | rozie: ty |
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| 15:04.57 | rozie | np. this reminded me, that I had similar problem some time ago. but didn't found working solution (and could reboot) |
| 15:05.13 | jhutchins_wk | Ownix: It is safer to do this unmounted, and can be faster. Any time you're modifying partitions you should make sure you have backups first. |
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| 15:05.55 | Ownix | jhutchins_wk: this is just a test server but it was good experience. Im running the ELK stack on it https://www.elastic.co/webinars/introduction-elk-stack |
| 15:06.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | How are the configs from source kernel packages managed? What do you do when a new kernel is released? |
| 15:07.15 | Ownix | jhutchins_wk: sorry that was a crappy URL but the stack is Elasticsearch Logstash and Kibana. We ship logs from 4 apache servers and index them all in ES for easy searching |
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| 15:07.29 | Ownix | Or learning how to do it anyway |
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| 15:11.47 | jhutchins_wk | Ownix: We're doing ~70 servers. |
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| 15:12.24 | jhutchins_wk | Ownix: reddis? |
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| 15:13.53 | Ownix | jhutchins_wk: I dont think were going to do redis. But i see in a lot of tutorials people run two instances of logstash one outputs to redis the other takes input from it. And I guess that serves as a redundant queue so you can bring all of ES down and not lose any logs right? |
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| 15:15.14 | jhutchins_wk | Ownix: Fortunately it's not on my task list, but I do need to get up to speed as a backup. |
| 15:15.55 | Ownix | jhutchins_wk: hm I was about to pick your brain on what type of setup is needed for Redis. Fortunately for us we will always archive the logs this will just make searching them a lot easier |
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| 15:21.26 | choice | So I changed one of my servers. And another server of mine now complains when a script triggered by apache wants to access the changed server via ssh. "Host key verification failed.". Ok. But where is that damn host key stored? There is no directory for the apache user (www-data) in /home/. Am I missing something? |
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| 15:26.57 | er4z0r | choice: what does /etc/passwd say about www-data? |
| 15:27.09 | choice | yeah, found it |
| 15:27.15 | choice | now i wonder how can i do the ssh as "www-data"? when i try "su www-data ssh" i get "This account is currently not available" |
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| 15:27.48 | er4z0r | choice: probably because it has login/password disabled |
| 15:28.00 | choice | yes |
| 15:28.11 | er4z0r | choice: www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/usr/sbin/nologin mine reads like that |
| 15:28.12 | choice | now how can i make it generate a new hostkey. hmm... |
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| 15:28.35 | er4z0r | choice: you can collect the hostkey |
| 15:28.40 | choice | how? |
| 15:28.47 | choice | from another user? |
| 15:28.48 | er4z0r | look at ssh-keyscan |
| 15:29.27 | er4z0r | I would try generating a .known_hosts using that command and then store it in /var/www/.ssh |
| 15:29.53 | er4z0r | however |
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| 15:30.08 | er4z0r | maybe you shouldn't do it as www-data at all |
| 15:30.13 | choice | i have to |
| 15:30.38 | choice | the key in the home of www-data has to be renewed |
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| 15:31.39 | er4z0r | I think you're mixing something up: host-key verficiation uses the key fingerpringt of you remote (changed) server in ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 15:32.12 | er4z0r | this is not about the pubkey your ssh client uses to connect to the new server |
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| 15:32.51 | er4z0r | which btw. would probably also have to reside in the home of www-data |
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| 15:33.41 | er4z0r | this all sounds prettry risky: if an attacker were to compromise any webapp on your server to obtain command execution they could basically pivot on to the other server |
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| 15:34.07 | choice | I SOLVED IT! sudo -u www-data command :) |
| 15:34.27 | toogley | how can i find out what debian package i need to install to use the latex package "pdfpages"? |
| 15:35.13 | g00se | choice: i was about to suggest that. But www-data mustn't need a password for sudo |
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| 15:35.49 | er4z0r | choice: you could whitelist that command in /etc/sudoers |
| 15:36.04 | choice | well, i only have to run it like once in 5 years :) |
| 15:36.07 | choice | Another problem on this debian machine: When I execute "reboot" the machine hangs forever. Does not accept new ssh connections and is just frozen. How can I debug that? |
| 15:36.15 | er4z0r | either way, giving sudo and ssh access to www-data sounds like a recipy for trouble |
| 15:37.16 | g00se | er4z0r: ssh is not used by www-data. That user runs the command |
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| 15:37.35 | g00se | (At least i hope not ;)) |
| 15:38.19 | g00se | choice: does it _ever_ come up again? |
| 15:38.49 | choice | g00se: only when i press the power button twice :) |
| 15:39.12 | er4z0r | choice: could you comment on what g00se said. Did I misread you? |
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| 15:39.21 | g00se | Check the logs |
| 15:39.46 | choice | er4z0r: what? |
| 15:40.02 | choice | i have the feeling it hanged because the www-data user was still trying to connect with the wrong hostkey or something |
| 15:40.30 | g00se | er4z0r: My point at least was: run as a user that DOES have ssh access then sudo -u www-data in the necessary command |
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| 15:41.24 | g00se | choice: as i say, i _hope_ that's what you meant |
| 15:42.05 | choice | no im confused |
| 15:42.10 | choice | not sure what you mean |
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| 15:42.37 | g00se | Maybe i'm confusing myself too ;) I'll rethink |
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| 15:45.15 | g00se | Just _why_ does www-data need ssh anyway? |
| 15:45.31 | choice | it controls other servers |
| 15:45.43 | g00se | In what way? |
| 15:46.18 | choice | it can sync directories between servers |
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| 15:47.29 | PcMasterRace | sup ppl |
| 15:47.41 | g00se | One way would be to regenerate user www-data and give it a home |
| 15:48.00 | choice | all is fine now |
| 15:48.15 | choice | g00se: the application is a web based version control system |
| 15:48.22 | choice | so it synces stuff between servers |
| 15:48.55 | g00se | OK |
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| 15:51.16 | jaggzt | how do I see where an application went in the menus, if anywhere? I can't find evince |
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| 15:51.24 | g00se | One problem is that the AuthorizedKeysFile directive in sshd only allows *one* entry afaics |
| 15:51.27 | jaggzt | I want to make it my default .pdf viewer in kde |
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| 15:53.03 | jaggzt | (I just did it by specifying the full path).. |
| 15:53.45 | mtn | jaggzt: most menus are searchable |
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| 15:55.29 | jaggzt | ah, "Document viewer" runs evince.. |
| 15:55.37 | jaggzt | I dislike generic names like that |
| 15:55.41 | jaggzt | thanks mtn |
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| 15:58.13 | abferm | What is the best way to set a system's default locale? I want a command I can run blind, or a file I can modify. (I'm doing this with ansible, so no user interaction) |
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| 16:02.34 | pofffs | how do I flush the routes from my routing table? I want to clear them all before I implement new ones to make my VPN connection. |
| 16:03.11 | avar | /sbin/ip route flush table all |
| 16:03.15 | avar | should work, no promises |
| 16:03.23 | avar | also if you're disconnected right afterwards we'll know why :) |
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| 16:04.03 | pofffs | heh |
| 16:04.05 | woofwoof | what's the url tothe page to view patches |
| 16:04.08 | woofwoof | ona package |
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| 16:04.28 | woofwoof | https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/?h=mutt-patched |
| 16:04.30 | salvatete | how to obtain the newest version of /usr/lib/blender/scripts/addons/io_scene_map/export_map.py on debian 7 without installing it |
| 16:04.37 | woofwoof | eg im trying to see what patches debian mutt-patched has |
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| 16:05.00 | abferm | found my own answer for anyone who is interested, update-locale LANG="whatever locale you want" |
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| 16:15.24 | Mia | How can I reroute to requests coming to :80 to my app runing on :3000 ? I don't want to deal with iptables manually |
| 16:15.28 | Mia | there was a simple app to do all that |
| 16:15.34 | Mia | I forgot the name :/ |
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| 16:18.47 | jhutchins_wk | Mia: We generally use nginx to do that. |
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| 16:23.01 | jhutchins_wk | Mia: You're talking about doing this on the same system, right? Not forwarding to another box? |
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| 16:25.41 | Mia | jhutchins_wk, yes same system |
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| 16:26.17 | Mia | I actually use nginx but this will be the only routing (and served app) on the whole system. This runs on a raspbery pi so nginx sounded like a bit of overkill for this simple task |
| 16:26.21 | Mia | I might be wrong though |
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| 16:26.53 | jhutchins_wk | Mia: You can do it with apache, and you can often get the app to listen to 80 if you try. |
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| 16:27.30 | Mia | it's a nodejs app --- node dos not allow ports below 1000 unless root |
| 16:27.45 | jhutchins_wk | Yep. |
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| 16:28.12 | Mia | I mean setting up a server like apache nginx or lighttpd -- isn't this a bit of overkill for a single port reroute? |
| 16:28.20 | Mia | if not I'll just go with nginx because I at least know a bit about it |
| 16:29.00 | jhutchins_wk | Mia: I know it's how we do that here, and for the same reson (nodejs). nginx is supposed to be pretty light (apache is not). |
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| 16:29.30 | f-a | how can I know which encoding my FS is using? |
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| 16:29.53 | jhutchins_wk | f-a: What do you mean by encoding? |
| 16:30.02 | Mia | hmmm thnak you jhutchins_wk ---- in this case even manually editing the iptables sounds like more logic to me |
| 16:30.09 | Mia | because a server will just put another layer |
| 16:30.14 | f-a | jhutchins_wk: I just received this in my mailbox after a bug report |
| 16:30.14 | f-a | It looks like I have a faulty assumption that filenames on your filesystem are |
| 16:30.15 | f-a | encoded using UTF8. Do you happen to know what encoding you are using? |
| 16:30.43 | jhutchins_wk | f-a: I believe that's set by the locale. |
| 16:30.45 | jhutchins_wk | !locale |
| 16:30.45 | dpkg | A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale |
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| 16:31.40 | jhutchins_wk | Mia: That extra layer can be handy; it provides somethings like logging and buffering/caching. |
| 16:32.02 | jhutchins_wk | Mia: We're a fairly large operation, and it's what we've done for that kind of app. |
| 16:32.06 | Mia | I know, I know ---- but I don't need it |
| 16:32.11 | Mia | I want it to be as simpel as possible |
| 16:32.19 | Mia | this is just a raspberry pi |
| 16:32.43 | Mia | God... I wish I could remember the name of that simple app that I was downloading via apt-get to do iptables in a simple way |
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| 16:32.59 | PsynoKhi0 | ufw? |
| 16:33.04 | Mia | it was like simpleapp 80 3000 ---- and magically it was setting iptables or me |
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| 16:36.01 | somiaj | Mia: Are you running debian or raspbian on your pi? Just asking because it would be nice if you didn't ask #debian for support for raspbian. |
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| 16:36.31 | Mia | somiaj, raspbian ---- I'm asking general questions to both channels as raspbian is generally ultra slow at responding |
| 16:36.34 | Mia | this place is a lot more live |
| 16:36.39 | Mia | *alive |
| 16:36.57 | jhutchins_wk | Mia: socat? |
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| 16:37.12 | Mia | erm nop not that |
| 16:37.15 | Mia | I came across that as well |
| 16:37.19 | somiaj | Mia: this is not a channel for general questions, please respect our choice to only support #debian. There is ##linux for general linux questions and that is quite popular. There are also questions specific to apache (#httpd) and so forth. |
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| 16:37.49 | Mia | isn't raspbian based on debian? |
| 16:37.58 | somiaj | It is, but it is not debian. |
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| 16:38.01 | somiaj | !tell Mia about raspbian |
| 16:38.05 | somiaj | !tell Mia about based on debian |
| 16:38.12 | Mia | :/ |
| 16:38.37 | Mia | I don't understand this way of approach --- I respect the cummunity of course, talking my question as a disrecpect is quite pointless |
| 16:38.44 | Mia | I'm not forcing anyone to reply, also. |
| 16:38.57 | somiaj | Mia: Again it is our choice to only support debian (and not its derivatives). And I was trying to point out good places for general linux questions. |
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| 16:39.33 | Mia | somiaj, I understand :) |
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| 16:40.18 | Mia | Still I believe you can understand me, as a person looking for a solution for a small problem. I'm digging all possibilities. Take this as a survival instinct. |
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| 17:22.22 | cluelessperson | I'm getting an odd message. sdd, Assuming drive cache: write through |
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| 17:22.47 | cluelessperson | 12.222225 sd 5:0:0:0 [sdd] Assuming drive cache: write through |
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| 17:23.03 | somiaj | cluelessperson: what type of drive is sdd on your system? |
| 17:23.28 | cluelessperson | somiaj, I think it's a a large RAID 10 |
| 17:23.40 | cluelessperson | 15 67GB drives |
| 17:24.18 | cluelessperson | somiaj, I shutdown the server, rebuilt the downed physical drive(5), as it didn't show any smart errors, then I booted the server, now it seems stuck |
| 17:24.45 | somiaj | I got a few hits from that error " Assuming drive cache: write through" on google, but nothign that is a plain this is what your problem is. I would start hunting it down to try to figure out what is causing this |
| 17:24.52 | cluelessperson | it's saying some stuff about "recovering journal" for "/var/ /tmp/ |
| 17:24.58 | somiaj | and I don't know enough to say what the issue could be |
| 17:25.03 | cluelessperson | somiaj, I don't know what to do, it's just stuck |
| 17:25.05 | cluelessperson | no terminal |
| 17:25.35 | cluelessperson | All I did was shutdown the server into maintenance mode, then powered off (forgot the -h for halt) |
| 17:25.37 | somiaj | recovering journal means your file systems didn't umount properly which can take a while. Is the last thing it said was recovering the journal or about the error you pasted. |
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| 17:25.50 | cluelessperson | Rebuild the downed hard drive, and booted |
| 17:26.22 | cluelessperson | somiaj, Yeah, I probably didn't umount it properly because I didn't have the root password for maintenance mode and I shut it off. :/ |
| 17:26.27 | somiaj | sounds like you didn't cleanly unmount your filesystems, so I would double check your raid is rebuilt correctly. But don't take anything I say here, I know very little about raids and can really just google that error. |
| 17:27.14 | cluelessperson | somiaj, it's a hardware RAID so it's not managed that way, and the raid stores the mysql database which was already stopped. |
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| 17:27.57 | abrotman | cluelessperson: how big is /var/ ? |
| 17:27.57 | cluelessperson | It gives the option to CtrlD to continue, or password for maintenance. I did Ctrl+D, it seems to be resuming |
| 17:27.59 | cluelessperson | wtf is this |
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| 17:28.13 | cluelessperson | abrotman, no clue, I'm new here and whoever set this up is long gone. |
| 17:28.21 | cluelessperson | mysql database starting up |
| 17:28.27 | cluelessperson | (db of 235 GB) |
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| 17:28.53 | abrotman | not the size of the mysql DB |
| 17:28.54 | cluelessperson | abrotman, I know they did RAID 1 for the OS drive, for logging, RAID 10 for the database. |
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| 17:30.07 | PsynoKhi0 | Hi, is there anyway to boot from the first hard drive from a Jessie's Live CD boot menu? |
| 17:30.38 | somiaj | cluelessperson: sounds like it is just taking a long time to recover the journal which would make sense if it is a very large raid. |
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| 17:32.10 | cluelessperson | somiaj, is there any real danger in rebuilding the journal? |
| 17:32.37 | allizom | PsynoKhi0: my test says no |
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| 17:36.31 | PsynoKhi0 | allizom: ah... I know there is no menu entry for that, however I thought there was a way to edit the boot parameters |
| 17:37.08 | allizom | PsynoKhi0: don't know about that, sorry |
| 17:38.31 | allizom | trying with ".localboot 0xffff" |
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| 17:41.07 | allizom | PsynoKhi0: try this parameter |
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| 17:45.35 | pendrivo | can anyone recommend me a GUI alternative to unetbootin that will allow me create a bootable usb stick using *any* distro live iso? |
| 17:45.44 | pendrivo | dd is not a gui |
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| 17:45.56 | pendrivo | i also want persistence |
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| 17:46.13 | bazhang | check pendrivelinux.com |
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| 17:47.54 | pendrivo | bazhang, i already did and could not find a tool that really worked on GNU/Linux. The windows ones worked flawlessly on my friends windows computer. |
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| 17:48.29 | bazhang | there are many such |
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| 17:52.58 | pendrivo | bazhang, WARNING: We have received a report that this Live USB Creator tool "May" contain a Trojan (Virus Total Report). As usual, proceed to use this tool entirely at your own risk! We cannot confirm if this is a true threat or false positive. |
| 17:53.31 | pendrivo | bazhang, why is it that ther is no tool that meets my requirements on jessie's official repo? |
| 17:53.31 | bazhang | are you dling from sourceforge or something |
| 17:53.44 | unborn | pendrivo, dont make false messages to linux users here.. |
| 17:53.46 | unborn | pls |
| 17:54.01 | pendrivo | unborn, what? |
| 17:54.02 | bazhang | he's going outside repos |
| 17:54.33 | bazhang | ,v usb-creator-gtk |
| 17:54.34 | judd | No package named 'usb-creator-gtk' was found in amd64. |
| 17:54.37 | pendrivo | unborn, fyi it is not linux, it is GNU/Linux |
| 17:54.49 | bazhang | oh keerist |
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| 17:55.32 | bazhang | thanks tomaw |
| 17:57.44 | pendrivo | bazhang, my intel core i3 laptop runs an amd64 kernel |
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| 17:58.18 | bazhang | so what |
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| 17:59.26 | pendrivo | bazhang, live-usb-install-2.5.9-all.deb in only available on sourcefourge |
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| 18:00.24 | bazhang | going outside debian repos is a very bad idea |
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| 18:01.34 | qert | Hello. I love Debian. I read that most enterprises use Redhat or derivatives for their servers though. Besides the package manager, is there a difference between these distros? Maybe the filesystem? |
| 18:01.53 | pendrivo | bazhang, so what can i do to achieve my goal? |
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| 18:02.43 | bazhang | dont ask me pendrivo you say you have tried them all, but such a vague statement will garner just about zero support |
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| 18:03.01 | pendrivo | what vague statement? |
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| 18:03.29 | bazhang | <pendrivo> bazhang, i already did and could not find a tool that really worked on GNU/Linux. |
| 18:03.33 | sillysausage | would i be correct in saying xfce is probably debian's most lightweight iso atm? |
| 18:03.37 | sillysausage | that includes X |
| 18:03.53 | bazhang | if you cannae on pendrivelinux website thats on you |
| 18:04.26 | bazhang | sillysausage, lxde/openbox more like |
| 18:04.35 | pendrivo | bazhang, it is not vague at all. if you think i am wrong, point me in the direction to the tool that meets my criteria |
| 18:04.41 | sillysausage | yeah but LXDE isn't really going anywhere in terms of devel |
| 18:04.48 | sillysausage | they're all working on LXQt now aren't they |
| 18:04.55 | bazhang | you want light xfce aint that |
| 18:05.00 | qert | Does anyone know? Im really thinking about trying it in case the filesystem is different or something like that. |
| 18:05.04 | allizom | qert: the repos are managed separately and may (and actually do) contain different packages/versions... |
| 18:05.05 | sillysausage | bazhang: true. |
| 18:05.20 | bazhang | pendrivo, stop asking me |
| 18:05.28 | sillysausage | lxde/xfce probably lighter weight than kde, gnome, cinnamon, mate though? |
| 18:05.38 | bazhang | sure |
| 18:05.39 | allizom | moreover, they may patch those packages differently, and have different policies regarding what can be included |
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| 18:05.50 | sillysausage | i thought it would be something like kde > gnome > mate > cinnamon > xfce > lxde |
| 18:05.50 | bazhang | just the xfce core though |
| 18:05.51 | pendrivo | bazhang, i will stop asking you since you do not have the answer |
| 18:05.53 | sillysausage | in terms of memory usage |
| 18:05.56 | qert | allizom: Ok, but what about the filesystem. Is it the same? The places in which configuration files are located for wxample |
| 18:06.49 | sillysausage | https://flexion.org/posts/2014-03-memory-consumption-of-linux-desktop-environments.html |
| 18:06.51 | allizom | yes, there may be differences (e.g. apache) . this is a question better suited for ##linux anyway |
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| 18:07.03 | sillysausage | that was a pretty good guess ;) |
| 18:07.15 | _abc_ | Hello. Is there a Debian/Wheezy specific remote X11 howto somewhere? |
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| 18:07.31 | sillysausage | but out of all those XFCE is probably the most stable |
| 18:07.34 | bazhang | the plasma desktop is not the full kde5 |
| 18:07.44 | sillysausage | ah true |
| 18:07.50 | sillysausage | that might use less than kde4 |
| 18:07.54 | sillysausage | but probably still more than xfce |
| 18:08.09 | bazhang | xfce4 is not all that light |
| 18:08.20 | bazhang | lighter than gnome does not really mean light |
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| 18:09.06 | bazhang | the debian wiki _abc_ |
| 18:09.15 | bazhang | !wiki |
| 18:09.21 | _abc_ | meep |
| 18:09.26 | _abc_ | ^the sound of silence |
| 18:09.38 | bazhang | not hard to find |
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| 18:09.42 | sillysausage | i wonder how XFCE compares to mate in terms of stability |
| 18:09.52 | bazhang | want me to bing it for you |
| 18:10.09 | bazhang | try them and see sillysausage |
| 18:10.17 | sillysausage | i don't know the answer to all these things because i use i3wm+dmenu+i3statusbar and that's enough for me ;) |
| 18:10.19 | bazhang | its not a set thing |
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| 18:10.21 | sillysausage | but other family members not so much hehe |
| 18:10.34 | _abc_ | https://wiki.debian.org/RemoteX11Considerations this is all I can find |
| 18:10.40 | bazhang | differing systems will have differing outcomes |
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| 18:11.11 | _abc_ | https://wiki.debian.org/RemoteDesktop this uses vnc or freenx. I need x11 remote |
| 18:11.49 | sillysausage | the main reason i was thinking of using xfce is because it doesn't use all that much more ram than lxde |
| 18:11.55 | sillysausage | and i have had lxbar crash on me and openbox too |
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| 18:12.19 | motokokusanagi | net.ipv4.udp_fwmark_accept <------- How can I create this? There only seems to be one for TCP |
| 18:12.23 | abferm | Is /etc/init.d/ the proper place for a firstboot config script? |
| 18:12.25 | ewew | ssh forwarding X ? |
| 18:12.51 | DammitJim | how bad is it that I kept trying to get 'history' on the command line, but I kept typing shitory?! |
| 18:13.19 | sillysausage | and i had troubles with cinnamon in particular to compositing |
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| 18:13.33 | humitos | hi people |
| 18:14.03 | ewew | motokokusanagi Add it in /etc/sysctl.conf. |
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| 18:14.31 | ewew | motokokusanagi First look in /proc/sys/net. |
| 18:14.34 | sillysausage | what i do wonder is how lxqt compares to lxde |
| 18:14.54 | humitos | I'm here because I couldn't find the answer in Google :( |
| 18:15.06 | mtn | sillysausage: why don't you try them out and see? |
| 18:15.27 | humitos | I'm running: Screen version 4.03.01 (GNU) 28-Jun-15 and I get "[screen is terminating]" immediately |
| 18:15.37 | humitos | when I run it as normal user: http://hastebin.com/regapocele.txt |
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| 18:15.52 | humitos | but, when I run it as root, it works... I can't find the why |
| 18:15.56 | humitos | can you help me? |
| 18:17.20 | sillysausage | i wonder if the next debian will have lxqt spin instead of lxde? |
| 18:17.56 | sillysausage | im thinking ill go with xfce, its pretty similar to lxde in memory usage |
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| 18:18.08 | sillysausage | and from what ive read/experienced more stable |
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| 18:19.15 | teraflops | Xfce is a fucking rock. Good choice. |
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| 18:19.42 | sillysausage | and at least it's still developed |
| 18:19.59 | sillysausage | while low ram is important to me, usability, and stability is too |
| 18:20.11 | sillysausage | so while lxde might use ~20MB less RAM it's a lot less stable |
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| 18:20.16 | sillysausage | and polished |
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| 18:20.30 | sillysausage | and it's future development is probably not going to be there, because lxqt so yeah. |
| 18:21.10 | sillysausage | i very much like the way xubuntu has it set up actually |
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| 18:22.44 | PercyB | I just noticed: No aptosid channel anymore. Do I understand correctly that aptosid is deprecated or is it still usable? (Well, trying out the last version it does not look that way as kde did break for me) |
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| 18:23.39 | PercyB | I guess the question is: Go for Siduction or Debian with KDE? |
| 18:24.26 | mtn | PercyB: guess what the debian channel will recommend |
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| 18:24.48 | jklia | Is there a way to successfully connect to a wireless network with !!'s at the beginning of its passphrase? I'm using Jessie and Wicd. |
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| 18:25.33 | motokokusanagi | ewew: Is it necessary to have net.ipv4.udp_fwmark_accept = 1 for iptables mark to work with udp? |
| 18:26.02 | jhutchins_wk | !gcc transition |
| 18:26.02 | dpkg | One of the biggest transitions ever undertaken in Debian: new versions of libstdc++/gcc require over 3000 source packages to be recompiled. Don't expect packages in sid to be installable; use testing instead. https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/libstdc++6.html (and if you didn't already know this, ask yourself if you should be using sid). |
| 18:26.11 | PercyB | mtn Ok, I understand that, was just curious about some views and hints about Siduction (if some of the folks have experiences with both)... |
| 18:26.38 | mtn | PercyB: try the ##linux channel |
| 18:27.28 | PercyB | mtn Ok, but it looks sid is not really a good option atm |
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| 18:28.18 | ewew | motokokusanagi What debian are you using and kernel ? |
| 18:28.59 | motokokusanagi | ewew: 3.18.0-kali3-686-pae |
| 18:29.16 | ewew | you are using debian ? |
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| 18:29.57 | motokokusanagi | ewew: Kali uses debian I think, I'm really new to linux so I might be wrong or ont really understand what I'm saying |
| 18:30.33 | motokokusanagi | uname -a |
| 18:30.50 | motokokusanagi | ewew: Linux HST 3.18.0-kali3-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.18.6-1~kali2 (2015-03-02) i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:31.45 | mtn | !kali |
| 18:31.45 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 18:31.49 | ctmjr | motokokusanagi: kali is based on debian, there is a #kali-linux channel |
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| 18:32.49 | ewew | motokokusanagi First time i see such sysctl variable. |
| 18:33.06 | motokokusanagi | Ok thanks! I'll check in debian linux |
| 18:33.28 | motokokusanagi | I meant kali linux |
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| 18:33.57 | northstar | i'm using jessie 8.2 with 3.16 kernel and backports enabled. is there anything about the gcc transition that will affect me? |
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| 18:35.19 | ewew | northstar I think backports give you a choice. They dont force upgrade i think. |
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| 18:43.51 | Komanda | any alternatives to jSYS? http://www.izysoftware.com/products/jsys/ |
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| 18:52.18 | jhutchins_wk | Komanda: chroot, docker, lxce |
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| 18:56.22 | abrotman | LXC, not LXCE |
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| 19:06.40 | pofffs | what do the flags mean in route -n? U, UG, UGH |
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| 19:08.08 | ewew | pofffs Did you google it ? |
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| 19:08.24 | pofffs | ewew, can't. can't resolve DNS queries. |
| 19:08.43 | jhutchins_wk | pofffs: Maybe man route? |
| 19:09.17 | pofffs | jhutchins_wk, thanks. it is there. |
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| 19:11.04 | jhutchins_wk | Some man pages are better than others. |
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| 19:14.05 | s7r | something strange is going on on a vm. something overrides my max. open files limit. |
| 19:14.24 | s7r | i have hard and soft set in /etc/security/limits.conf and 'session required pam_limits.so' in /etc/pam.d/common-session* |
| 19:14.27 | s7r | what else do i need to look at? |
| 19:14.43 | s7r | ulimit -n says my limit is 1024 when it is clearly configured to be 65536 |
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| 19:40.44 | jhutchins_wk | s7r: I've always done that with sysctl. |
| 19:40.51 | jhutchins_wk | s7r: For Oracle. |
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| 19:41.03 | s7r | jhutchins_wk: i am running something based on leveldb |
| 19:41.25 | s7r | here is what i get... don't understand what is it acutally |
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| 19:41.55 | Sander^home | How come a program segfaults.. and strace shows that /etc/ld.so.nohwcap dosnt exists? |
| 19:41.57 | s7r | it dies like this jhutchins_wk... for 2 weeks. used to work good. the vm has plenty of resources |
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| 19:48.23 | jhutchins_wk | s7r: That's usually a problem you'd take up with the leveldb people. It's not a general Debian problem. Oracle provides the required settings and where to make the changes. |
| 19:48.40 | s7r | where can i find the leveldb people? |
| 19:48.43 | s7r | :) |
| 19:48.47 | s7r | is there an irc channel or something? |
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| 19:49.50 | centrx | !leveldb |
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| 19:50.15 | jhutchins_wk | s7r: Looks like google forums are pretty likely. |
| 19:50.26 | jhutchins_wk | s7r: Are you using the official Debian package? |
| 19:50.32 | s7r | yeah |
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| 19:55.31 | andril | hello |
| 19:56.11 | andril | i need help getting wakeonlan refresh |
| 20:00.58 | centrx | !ask |
| 20:00.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 20:05.59 | pofffs | when I set up a route, as a a gateway, and set it to the lowest metric value (1, for example), why, when the connection fails, does it not use a gateway with a higher metric value? |
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| 20:07.32 | andril | thanks centrx :) |
| 20:07.48 | pofffs | I can use ping - it will function on any interface - but why are my other scripts not using another gateway, with a higher metric value, when the first gateway fails? |
| 20:08.46 | trickshotjohnny | pofffs: you need a dynamic routing daemon to do that for you. the system simply says "this interface is the lowest metric for this subnet I'm trying to transmit to" unless something goes in and mucks with the metrics or routing tables to explicitly tell the OS that down link is no longer good. |
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| 20:18.08 | s7r | jhutchins_wk: how can i see the hdd usage, numer of I/O operations, etc.? maybe my disk is overloaded |
| 20:18.39 | trickshotjohnny | s7r: watch iostat |
| 20:19.00 | trickshotjohnny | part of the sysstat package |
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| 20:23.01 | Somelauw | I'm having trouble installing drivers for AMD Radeon video card on my current distro. How easy are these to install on Debian if I switch to that? |
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| 20:25.57 | trickshotjohnny | Somelauw: you sound like a Fedora convert |
| 20:26.26 | trickshotjohnny | I'm using them on my home workstation. it was pretty straightforward and in the non-free debian repos |
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| 20:28.02 | marioxcc | Hello. |
| 20:28.44 | marioxcc | How can I put a live "CD" image of Debian into an USB flash memory AND be able to use the remaining space for storage?. |
| 20:28.49 | somiaj | Somelauw: few quesitons. Do you want to use fglrx drivers or the free radeon drivers? Do you want to use gnome? What radeon card? |
| 20:29.19 | somiaj | marioxcc: cp debian.iso /dev/sdX, then run a partition editior, and make a second partition of the remaing space and put what ever file system you want on that partition |
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| 20:30.07 | marioxcc | somiaj: I see. Do you mean "dd" instead of "cp"? |
| 20:30.24 | zykotick9 | marioxcc: cp will work fine. |
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| 20:31.11 | marioxcc | I thought it was "dd" since it is an ISO image. I'm going to check the Debian documentation, I must be missing something. |
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| 20:31.25 | somiaj | marioxcc: http://live.debian.net/manual/4.x/html/live-manual.en.html#using-usb-extra-space |
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| 20:31.45 | zykotick9 | marioxcc: fyi, the origional debian documentation suggested using cat... but cp or dd will also work. |
| 20:31.48 | somiaj | marioxcc: cp and dd do very similar things. cp has better defaults, dd gives you more control if you really want to set the block size of the copy. |
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| 20:32.09 | somiaj | marioxcc: debian suggest using cp unless you really are a dd expert. |
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| 20:32.39 | somiaj | I am fairly sure the current documentation suggests cp, but cat would work too (: |
| 20:32.40 | gotlek | slaps _KaszpiR_ around a bit with a large fishbot |
| 20:33.03 | marioxcc | somiaj: I see. I didn't know that cp could be used to copy to a block device. |
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| 20:33.16 | somiaj | marioxcc: you aren't copying a block device. In linux everything is a file. |
| 20:33.18 | greycat | The magic is in the block device, not in the copy command. |
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| 20:33.41 | somiaj | marioxcc: /dev/sdX is a file. debian.iso is a file, you can copy one file to another file |
| 20:34.36 | Somelauw | somiaj: I don't want to use Gnome, except temporarily if it makes installing them easier. I don't have a strict free stance, so fglrx until radeon improves over it. AMD Radeon HD 8670M. |
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| 20:35.06 | marioxcc | somiaj: Yes, I know that /dev/sdX is a file, but I thought that cp used system calls incompatible with doing that. |
| 20:35.11 | marioxcc | :) |
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| 20:35.21 | trickshotjohnny | nope, just read and write |
| 20:35.26 | trickshotjohnny | and /dev/sdX supports those |
| 20:35.32 | marioxcc | Right. |
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| 20:37.01 | gotlek | ey |
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| 20:37.58 | LordShadowWing | There are more users in the freenode #debian IRC than OFTC #debian |
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| 20:49.12 | jhutchins_wk | LordShadowWing: There are more rocks in New Hampshire than in Florida. |
| 20:49.34 | jhutchins_wk | !why oftc |
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| 20:49.57 | greycat | Are there? Florida has much greater land area. |
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| 20:51.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi greycat |
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| 20:51.51 | marioxcc | rocks>? |
| 20:51.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | makes for nice cookie cutter houses, |
| 20:51.54 | marioxcc | is that an inside joke? |
| 20:52.00 | jhutchins_wk | greycat: Yes, but Florida is mostly sand, while New Hampshire is "The Granite State". |
| 20:52.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | and cookie cutter mc mansions |
| 20:52.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | you can keep your granite, we will just import it for our counter tops.. |
| 20:52.47 | greycat | If you import it, then they aren't keeping it. |
| 20:52.56 | jhutchins_wk | marioxcc: It's a comment on the surrealistic nature of the statement that there are more things in one place than in another. |
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| 20:53.24 | marioxcc | jhutchins_wk: What is surrealistic about it? |
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| 20:53.40 | jhutchins_wk | marioxcc: Orange, because aliens don't wear hats. |
| 20:53.57 | marioxcc | jhutchins_wk: ??? |
| 20:54.04 | jhutchins_wk | marioxcc: Exactly. |
| 20:54.24 | marioxcc | I think that you are intentionally speaking nosense. |
| 20:54.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | p slapd? |
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| 20:54.31 | jhutchins_wk | marioxcc: You are correct. |
| 20:54.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | can somebody help me setup slapd? |
| 20:55.44 | marioxcc | jhutchins_wk: ok |
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| 20:56.33 | marioxcc | Is LXDE still actively maintained? |
| 20:56.53 | jhutchins_wk | marioxcc: I was prompting LordShadowWing to expand on his statement and perhaps ask "why?". |
| 20:57.00 | jhutchins_wk | marioxcc: Also, it's Friday. |
| 20:57.16 | marioxcc | jhutchins_wk: Ok. |
| 20:57.18 | jhutchins_wk | marioxcc: Yes, LXDE is actively maintained. |
| 20:57.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am having trouble on this how to, i want to setup the samba stuff at Convert samba.schema into samba.ldif with slaptest: |
| 20:57.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/OpenLDAPSetup#For_SAMBA_LDAP_support |
| 20:57.37 | SmashingX | Hi, I would like to be able to see my website from another computer, I checked if port 80 is open with nmap in the other comp but I don't see port 80 is open |
| 20:57.40 | marioxcc | jhutchins_wk: Ok. |
| 20:57.44 | marioxcc | Thanks. |
| 20:57.46 | jhutchins_wk | marioxcc: http://lxde.org/ |
| 20:58.07 | greycat | SmashingX: is the web server on the Internet directly, or is it behind a router/firewall? |
| 20:58.35 | marioxcc | SmashingX: You can also do "nc -l -p 80" in the server and "echo Hello | nc THE_OTHER_COMPUTER 80" in the client to test the connection. |
| 20:59.33 | SmashingX | greycat: actually The machine with apache/webserver is my virtualbox image |
| 20:59.42 | SmashingX | so they are in the same network |
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| 21:00.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | is it using a bridge network interface? |
| 21:00.08 | SmashingX | I think so |
| 21:00.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | can you ping it from another machine |
| 21:00.10 | SmashingX | let me check |
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| 21:00.13 | SmashingX | I can ping |
| 21:00.15 | SmashingX | yes |
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| 21:00.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | so its got it own ip then? different from the host? |
| 21:00.39 | SmashingX | is NAT |
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| 21:00.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | you can't use nat if is going to host a webpage |
| 21:01.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | got to be in bridge mode |
| 21:01.01 | SmashingX | what should I use? |
| 21:01.03 | SmashingX | ok |
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| 21:09.45 | Somelauw | somiaj: ? |
| 21:10.13 | Thorax2015 | Doing an expert install. I shouldnt allow login as root right? |
| 21:10.15 | marioxcc | When installing Debian with the LXDE disk, I find that it installs many programs that I do not need immediatley, like basically all of the LibreOffice suite. How can I disable installation of packages I do not need (For example, select individual packages or install only a _base_ LXDE environment)?. |
| 21:11.37 | TSPenguin | Do not install the LXDE desktop task and then install the packages you want |
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| 21:13.05 | marioxcc | TSPenguin: Ok. So should I install a text-only environment and then install the rest with aptitude/apt-get?. |
| 21:14.18 | squinty | !tasksel |
| 21:14.18 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
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| 21:14.42 | TSPenguin | seems to be the way to go if you do not want the predefined enviroments |
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| 21:14.59 | marioxcc | Ok, squinty, TSPenguin |
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| 21:16.12 | Mike5kt | Hi I have 6 operative systems on my hd but grub2 sees just 5, is it normal? could I do some way to show all 6? |
| 21:16.32 | Ademan2 | what OS is missing? |
| 21:16.33 | RoyK | Mike5kt: reconfigure grub ;) |
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| 21:17.22 | Mike5kt | I have installed suse then mint was missing, I have reinstalled it from debian and now sure is missing what |
| 21:17.32 | Siente | Hello guys, I have installed Debian with LXDE, but I should have installed it with gnome 3 how can I install gnome 3 now? |
| 21:17.34 | Mike5kt | why this happen? |
| 21:17.55 | TSPenguin | siente, select gnome in tasksel |
| 21:18.00 | Mike5kt | and noe Suse is missing* |
| 21:18.03 | Mike5kt | now* |
| 21:18.09 | Siente | TSPenguin: in tasksel? |
| 21:18.27 | TSPenguin | !tasksel |
| 21:18.27 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 21:19.20 | Siente | thanks! |
| 21:19.23 | Mike5kt | RoyK, how to reconfigure grub? it seems show just 5 operative systems |
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| 21:20.10 | Mike5kt | RoyK, suse or debian version of grub show 5 os.... |
| 21:21.09 | frikinz | What would you recommend to install to fight spam on a MTA? I'd like something rather lightwheight. |
| 21:21.23 | RoyK | Mike5kt: https://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 21:21.26 | frikinz | A MTA shared by less than 10 persons |
| 21:21.29 | RoyK | Mike5kt: might be of interest |
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| 21:23.32 | Mike5kt | RoyK, yes but I don't read a solution for it |
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| 21:24.43 | RoyK | frikinz: rbl, greylisting, clamav and spamassassin is a good start |
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| 21:26.19 | squinty | Mike5kt, you could run os=prober to see if all your installed os's are recognized or sudo update-grub which also will utilize os-prober before writting an updated grub file |
| 21:26.48 | squinty | os-prober not os=prober that is |
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| 21:44.58 | marioxcc | Hello. Do you know of a good solution (software package or workflow) to take snapshots of a Debian system at periodical intervals as rollback points and backups? |
| 21:45.10 | marioxcc | I know that LVM and btrfs can take snapshots, but they are low level solutions. |
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| 21:46.03 | marioxcc | And LVM alone is not suitable for this task, as snapshots are not deduplicated and turn writes into the live system (specifically, logical volume) very slow (slower with more snapshots). |
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| 21:49.31 | g00se | marioxcc: Have a look at bup. Efficient binary diff backup based on git |
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| 21:50.08 | marioxcc | g00se: I will take a look, but if it's based on git, I highly doubt that it will be efficient for this particular task. |
| 21:51.00 | marioxcc | git requires repackaging to be efficient. As far as I recall, commits use a lot of space until they are repackaged. |
| 21:52.25 | ewew | marioxcc How big is your storage ? |
| 21:52.31 | g00se | You'll see stats on that. |
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| 21:53.06 | marioxcc | g00se: I see, it's git based but it doesn't uses git. I found this that mostly addresses my concern about efficiency: "Unlike git, it writes packfiles directly (instead of having a separate garbage collection / repacking stage) so it's fast even with gratuitously huge amounts of data. bup's improved index formats also allow you to track far more filenames than git (millions) and keep track of far more objects (hundreds or thousands of gigabytes). |
| 21:53.27 | marioxcc | ewew: Around 1 TB, with around 200 GB of live data. |
| 21:53.50 | g00se | Yes. What parts of the system do you want to snapshot? |
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| 21:54.13 | ryouma | marioxcc: the rsync solutions will do partial deduplication |
| 21:55.01 | ryouma | might not be what you want |
| 21:55.10 | marioxcc | ryouma: I am not sure of what you mean. Do you mean simple script using rsync to take snapshots?. |
| 21:55.11 | RoyK | lvm snapshots suck |
| 21:55.17 | ewew | ryouma How it handles data changing. I think this requires some tool to freeze the moving data. |
| 21:55.18 | ryouma | marioxcc: --link-dest |
| 21:55.45 | ryouma | ewew: oh, he needs snapshotting? then he needs to combine with soemthing low level i think |
| 21:55.53 | marioxcc | RoyK: What do you find unsatisfactory about them (I'm not criticizing)? |
| 21:56.40 | marioxcc | ryouma: Yes, I want to take snapshots at roughly regular intervals (But I can run the command manually) to take snapshots, the snapshots must be delta stored and ideally deduplicated. |
| 21:56.41 | ewew | marioxcc What type of data you have ? database, normal files ? |
| 21:57.09 | marioxcc | ewew: Normal files. It's a desktop system, nothing out of common. |
| 21:57.14 | RoyK | marioxcc: make five snapshots and the iops move to 6x |
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| 21:57.14 | ryouma | marioxcc: rsnapshot is one popular one, as is rdiff-backup |
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| 21:58.07 | RoyK | marioxcc: compared to zfs or btrfs it's just rubbish - for each snapshot a write operation will happen to each of the snapsthots |
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| 21:58.26 | marioxcc | RoyK: Yes, I noticed that. Do you know why they used that architecture?. |
| 21:58.43 | marioxcc | Is there another block-level (not filesystem-level) solution that is better implemented?. |
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| 22:02.26 | RoyK | marioxcc: old stuff - I don't know any other option - I use zfs for that sort of things |
| 22:02.47 | marioxcc | RoyK: Ok. |
| 22:03.31 | g00se | Apparently you can use zfs-fuse with some inconvenience in snapshots |
| 22:04.05 | ewew | What about using git for this ? |