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01:20.03aypea[3]m_: I use xfce with sawfish as my window manager and the odd gnome component.
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01:20.31dinoocchm_: where are you getting the 15mb number?
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01:21.04m_dinoocch, from system monitor, but i think i read it wrong
01:21.13Epakaitosh_: dd is a common linux utility, for a windows alternative see that FAQ i linked
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01:22.12m_Grrrr. its nice having so many options but i cant make up my damned mind!
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01:22.28dinoocchm_: Pretty sure that's not quite right, but it shouldn't really matter so much
01:22.45aypea[3]m_: :) the paradox of choice :)
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01:25.55asarchHow could I restore the default theme icon for the "Videos" folder?
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01:41.25Thorax2015Hello again all. Im doing a final runthough with debian. Im just wondering about UEFI. I dont plan to dual boot on this computer at all. I plan to just use debian on it. Do i need UEFI on? Can i leave it off and avoid having a EFI partition?
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01:43.21dondelelcaroThorax2015: if the hardware supports it, sure. If not, you'll have to have UEFI.
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01:44.59Thorax2015ok
01:45.02Thorax2015I have two drives
01:45.09Thorax2015One ssd, one HDD
01:45.22Thorax2015ssd has 1 partition, #1
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01:45.41Thorax2015HDD has two, swap and /home, but they are listed as #5 and #6
01:45.44Thorax2015Is that ok?
01:46.02ryoumathat is normal
01:46.16Thorax2015ok cool, was driving me nuts
01:46.22Thorax2015Thank you ryouma
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01:52.59Thorax2015Do i need "Print Server?"
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01:55.49JJG3so is there a way to optimize power management in Debian? Battery seems to die quite a bit faster with Debian than it did when I was still on windows
01:56.27alt255Thorax2015: i install this for prinint support. cups system-config-printer
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01:58.23alt255JJG3: i think there is info on it but i'm on a desktop. have you checked the wiki's yet?
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01:59.17JJG3alt255, not yet I figured it might be better to get someone from here who may have tried it but ill check
01:59.23alt255i don't know if it helps but here's some info. https://packages.debian.org/jessie/laptop-mode-tools
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02:01.56Thorax2015thanks alt255
02:02.24alt255hope it helps.
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02:02.50Thorax2015Ok, so i chose Debian Desktop Environment, Gnome, and xfce. and now ive got an option about "Configuring gdm3"  I have to choose a default display manager??? Not seen this option before
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02:03.48JJG3alt255, apparently APM(advanced power management) is no longer supported by Debian and you have to run a Custom kernel if you want it
02:04.35alt255that's normal. if you had slim, then installed another manager it would want you to choose if you want the new one. I dont use one so I don't have that
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02:05.14Thorax2015Which should i choose? gdm3 or lightdm?
02:05.20alt255JJG3: ah..good to know. I was unaware.
02:05.38JJG3alt255, yeah it sucks though in a way but im sure there are other ways
02:05.40alt255if you're going to use gnome probably gdm
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02:06.16Thorax2015Even if i chose Gnome and xfce?
02:06.27alt255all my stuff here is desktop so I don't need the powermanager stuff much. Sorry I couldn't help further.
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02:09.10JJG3alt255, its all good i heard there was a guy talking about linux and power management at a convention somewhere wasnt sure if it ever went anywhere besides theory
02:10.37alt255JJG3: take a look here also.http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-linux-advanced-power-management.html
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02:16.35alt255Thorax2015: i don't have a definite answer for you. you can try one and if you don't like it you can install the other and switch. linux should have been called choicesOS
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02:20.58lindylex;
02:24.13lindylexI installed Debian 8 on a G4 Desktop PPC.  It boots to a black screen.  This is the Xor.0.log contents.  http://pastebin.com/H8yxLXcY  Ths is the video card VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400]
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02:26.37dvslindylex: [    50.252] (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0)
02:26.57lindylexI see that.  How do I fix this?
02:27.28dvsDunno. I have a Radeon.
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02:32.01Devastatorlindylex read this: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and especially this: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_304.125_.28legacy_GPUs.29
02:32.29lindylexok
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02:44.50aypea[3]how would I prevent dpkg-reconfigure from restarting/starting a service?
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02:48.04lindylexDevastator:  I get this error Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms"
02:48.28Devastatorlindylex do you have non-free in your sources.list?
02:48.52lindylexyes
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02:49.15Devastatorlindylex did you run aptitude update?
02:49.26lindylexyes someone said this: 'jelly> bagbobilgins: I don't think nvidia _ever_ made a blob for powerpc Macs'
02:50.27Devastatorlindylex maybe you should check with the guys in #nvidia
02:50.58dvsor stick with the people in OFTC
02:51.35alt255info here help. http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/178484/debian-7-7-ppc-imac-g4-switch-from-nouveau-to-nv-driver
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02:53.37lindylexalt255: let me read this one sec.
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02:55.02shay_shayMy iMac was one of the first Intel macs and it works fine with debian 8 xfce... with open radeon drivers it works okay but not great
02:55.25shay_shayFglrx stopped supporting it
02:55.49shay_shayWheezy was the last one I could have decent gfx performance
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03:04.49veektrying to figure out the PCIe version: 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 03)
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03:05.36veekIntel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 93)
03:05.50veekany idea how to figure out the exact PCIe version for a x1 slot
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03:09.02alt255google search says lspci -vv
03:09.30alt255transfer rate and compare it with the transfer rate specified for the revisions.
03:10.26alt255revisions link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express#History_and_revisions
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03:15.39veekalt255, yeah but how do i figure out the PCIe revision.. lspci -vv gives me something like: 00:1a.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) (prog-if
03:16.00veekalt255, and i know this is an old mobo so it's not rev 3
03:16.38veekit's a Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T6400  @ 2.00GHz
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03:22.43alt255searching this PCIe revision Intel Corporation 82801I  shows lots of links suggesting rev 3 some 2
03:23.12alt255beyond that I'm at a loss.
03:23.25veekyeah but it's a core 2 duo.. that's like ancient
03:23.46veekdell rubbish
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03:30.20alt255have you looked via service tag?  http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19?~ck=mn
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04:05.20bet0xsup sup
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04:10.16boladoBoa noite!
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04:11.26alt255good evening bolado
04:11.51boladoty alt255
04:12.19alt255sem problema
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04:12.46boladoTemos Brasileiros aqui? Ou a maioria é de fora?
04:13.59alt255idk, i'm american but was playing with google translate.
04:15.28boladohmmm, cool!
04:15.35fagbodildagebolado: #debian-brasil ?
04:15.49boladono, one moment
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04:16.29boladonot working :/
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04:17.38boladoYes, I went to join this room're empty.
04:17.48boladobut no problem, here is great
04:17.52fagbodildageahh, sorry, I see now
04:17.57fagbodildagehow are you, bolado?
04:18.04quanticTry #debian-br
04:18.44boladoi'm fine, thanks fagbodildage. And you?
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04:19.24boladothanks quantic, working perfect :)
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04:19.43fagbodildagefair, thanks
04:20.40mi11k1Do you need permission to ask a question?
04:20.45mi11k1haha
04:21.10mi11k1question is, how do i run an app as 2 seperate instances that dont see eachother?
04:21.54mi11k1like, i guess execting as another user is one way....
04:24.44mi11k1and the crowd goes crazy at a quarter past mignight!
04:25.58fagbodildagemi11k1: chroot jail?
04:26.30mi11k1sorry, gotta look that up, pretty newb
04:26.52STMelonnight all.. peace
04:27.10alt255night Sthebig
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04:27.19fagbodildagemi11k1: essentially you create a system within the system, isolated from the system
04:27.19alt255*STHelon
04:27.30mi11k1ive seen that chroot around a bit in docs about compiling kernels i think
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04:27.56fagbodildagenot fakeroot?
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04:28.12mi11k1no, chroot
04:28.14fagbodildagefakeroot is involved in building the kernel "the debian way"
04:28.16fagbodildageok
04:28.27mi11k1i think when i was trying to run debian on an android maybe
04:28.43fagbodildageoh yeah, that would be a sensible application of it
04:28.59fagbodildagein that instance the debian is inside the chroot
04:29.07mi11k1buut, i didnt get to that
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04:30.26fagbodildagewhich application are you wanting to run separate instances of, or just as a general thing?
04:30.48mi11k1tomboy notes
04:31.20mi11k1i found doc about how to modify the save location, so ill change one of them
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05:59.20darsiefagbodildage: A friend lent me a geforce 210 (GT218) and the driver doesn't receive interrupts, too.
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06:05.41fagbodildageyet this worked on... wheezy 32 bit?
06:06.19fagbodildagedarsie: ^
06:07.38darsieIt worked on wheezy 32 bit, yes.
06:08.00darsieI was running the nvidia driver at 85 Hz.
06:08.23darsie6000 fps glxgears.
06:08.27darsieNow 300 fps.
06:09.07fagbodildageahh, now refresh me... nvidia or nouveau?
06:09.15darsienvidia
06:09.25darsiewith the .run installer.
06:09.47darsieThat module assistant stuff was too complicated.
06:10.03fagbodildagenvidia but we couldn't get the screen to start because of the nouveau conflicting, we did kernel parameter blacklist on nouveau then... an MSI problem
06:10.28fagbodildagesorry, nvidia problems are everywhere at the moment
06:11.11darsiefagbodildage: I'm not sure nouveau is to blame.
06:11.56fagbodildageyeah I think we got past that with the heavy handed blacklisting
06:12.00darsienvidia recommends other soutions, but they didn't work.
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06:13.21darsiehttp://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/256.35/README/commonproblems.html
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06:13.49darsieThey suggest combinations of kernel parameters, but there are so many ways to combine 4 parameters ...
06:14.21fagbodildageso 256.35, let me check the release notes
06:14.59darsieNono, that doesn't support the 9500GT.
06:15.32fagbodildagesorry, which version of the nvidia driver are you using? nvidia's versioning?
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06:15.46fagbodildagethe name of the .run file should suffice
06:16.25fagbodildagedarsie: ^
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06:17.00darsiethe jessie 340.65 driver.
06:17.18fagbodildageok
06:17.19darsieI tried the .run too.
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06:19.58darsieI think I tried the 340.93 .run. But there are some more. I could try them all.
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06:22.10fagbodildageI'd tend to start with the most recent
06:22.56fagbodildagewe're sure you passed the MSI option to the kernel?
06:23.10fagbodildages/kernel/module
06:23.23darsieI put it there.
06:23.30darsiein a config file.
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06:25.19fagbodildageNVIDIA is working on a long-term solution to improve the driver's out of the box compatibility with system configurations that do not fully support MSI.
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06:25.59fagbodildageyou've explore the BIOS options, if any?
06:26.19darsieI just reset my bios to default options and reset a few.
06:26.25fagbodildage^that's from http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/340.65/README/knownissues.html
06:26.48fagbodildagewhatever, it would seem to indicate a newer driver if available
06:27.31SHOTbyGUNfagbodildage: is MSI = motherboard manufacturer in this context ?
06:28.27fagbodildageno, Message Signaled Interrupts
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06:29.09fagbodildageSHOTbyGUN: the driver fails to initialize, best fix we've found is to disable msi, but still the xserver fails to start
06:29.34fagbodildageerror still referring to interrupts not being received by the card
06:29.48fagbodildagesecond graphics card tried with it, same error
06:30.18darsieyes
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06:30.57fagbodildagedarsie: ping me with any other versions of the driver you try
06:31.03darsieok
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06:35.38fagbodildagedarsie: I suspect your IRQ insight might be the thing to check... possibly some setting in BIOS, you suggested it before and disabling MSI would tend to cause more IRQ sharing
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06:37.57fagbodildagebut on the other hand, the MSI may only need to be disabled because it's not been built in to the kernel
06:38.21fagbodildageand you did say it worked on another (32bit kernel)
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06:41.22thenewoneguys is it ok to delete the .bashrc
06:41.34fagbodildagefrom which directory?
06:41.53thenewoneform ~
06:42.05shawn1thenewone: just move it to the same directory under a different name
06:42.10fagbodildagethenewone: do you just want to revert it to default?
06:42.12shawn1.bashrc.bak
06:42.32thenewonei lost the default on how can reset that
06:42.35thenewoneand thanks guys for help
06:42.47shawn1it might be in /etc/skel
06:43.10fagbodildage<PROTECTED>
06:43.14shawn1cp /etc/skel/.bashrc ~
06:43.28thenewonecool
06:43.45thenewonethanks
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06:44.26fagbodildagedarsie: have you had any other modprobing issues, other than the blacklist not working for nouveau?
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06:46.26darsieNot that I know of.
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06:46.50fagbodildagegot a sniff of something now... perhaps, darsie, remove the /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf msi change
06:46.51darsieIs it really not working? Should insmod fail when it's blacklisted?
06:47.04darsieI already did.
06:47.09fagbodildagethat was to disable it, instead we're going to try forcing msi
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06:47.27fagbodildagepci=msi on the kernel parameters
06:47.34darsieok
06:47.52fagbodildageat the very least that should give us errors about whether msi is available in the kernel
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06:49.09fagbodildagedarsie: still there? if it breaks horribly boot with mx_msi=0 instead
06:49.52darsieHmm, I just tried modprobe nouveau and got unknown parameter 'blacklist' ignored and it got loaded.
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06:50.24fagbodildageso there's a mis-edit in the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
06:51.08darsieI have kernel parameter nouveau.blacklist=1
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06:52.44fagbodildagewell then that kernel parameter may be erroneous, let me check, I don't remember off the top of my head
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06:53.41fagbodildagenouveau.blacklist=yes I'm seeing
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06:55.46FI_OpwKHi debian!
06:55.58darsieno interrupts
06:56.05darsieHmm, I just tried modprobe nouveau and got unknown parameter 'blacklist' ignored and it got loaded.
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06:56.42fagbodildageor was it nouveau.modeset=0
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07:01.41darsieI use 'nomodeset'.
07:01.49fagbodildagethat would definitely do it
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07:02.00Aprendiz1234hi all
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07:02.48darsieI'm trying the different .run versions now ...
07:02.49Aprendiz1234I have a small problem. When I change the resolv.conf in a debian jessie server and restart de network I lose de IP. I have to reboot to solve the problem. Why this happens?
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07:07.50fagbodildagedarsie: had you said something about an apic or noapic kernel parameter?
07:08.07SHOTbyGUNyeah I have to use nouveau.modeset=0 with my NVIDIA card... I am happy that smxi graphics driver installer script puts it there automatically <3
07:08.19darsiefagbodildage: yes, in the link ...
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07:08.35darxmurfhi all
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07:08.43SHOTbyGUNhi and bye
07:09.18darsiehttp://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/256.35/README/commonproblems.html
07:10.26fagbodildagedarsie: so you have noapic?
07:10.35darsienot any more
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07:11.16fagbodildageok, I think I have a better idea where you are now
07:11.23darsiepci=noacpi broke lvm.
07:11.29fagbodildagesorry for the fuzzle headedness
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07:14.33fagbodildageI presume the NVreg_RMEdgeIntrCheck nvidia module parameter has been tried to no avail?
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07:15.02FI_OpwKhow to check debian --version ?
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07:16.33darsieFI_OpwK: cat /etc/debian_version or so
07:17.11rozieFI_OpwK: lsb_release -a may be good too
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07:17.49FI_OpwKwell, I have a forked package manager so it's not saying Jessie.
07:18.08FI_OpwKbut looking at the source I see sed, and some Jessie
07:18.32FI_OpwK_Kali GNU/Linux 2.0
07:19.58fagbodildageFI_OpwK: cat /etc/issue
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07:20.52Aprendiz1234why when I change the name server in resolv.conf and restart network I lose the ip?
07:21.35slabity_Hey guys, I'm having trouble installing debian in a VM. I am connected to the internet, but I can't seem to send any http or ftp requests
07:22.10slabity_I can ping, and names are resolved properly. I can also use http and ftp from other systems on the same network
07:22.47slabity_Here's a screenshot of what is going on: http://i.imgur.com/0HzOFQe.png
07:22.57fagbodildageAprendiz1234: "the ip"
07:23.13fagbodildage?
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07:23.32Aprendiz1234fagbodildage: Yes,
07:23.38fagbodildageAprendiz1234: ifconfig shows your link has dissociated, dns doesn't work?
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07:25.25T4ng10rhi
07:25.57T4ng10rI want OS to perform 'git pull' on specific folder each time it starts
07:26.01Aprendiz1234fagbodildage: Yes, DNS works. Indeed I restart and all is working. But there is a small problem if I have to restart every server when I change the nameserver. The same behaviour in all machines except one. The DHCP server is giving different namserver but I think I can have both, can't I?
07:26.19T4ng10ri tried cron with @reboot -> operation too early, as ssh couldn't find hostname
07:27.13fagbodildageAprendiz1234: you can have multiple nameservers, yes...
07:27.14slabity_T4ng10r: You can create an init script to do that instead of a cron
07:27.38Aprendiz1234fagbodildage: Yes,. For that I don't understand the problem.
07:27.50T4ng10rthe same with init script -> even when I set Required-start to $all
07:27.52T4ng10rthe same problem
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07:28.41slabity_T4ng10r: You need to let it run after name resolving is finished
07:29.14T4ng10rslabity_: then, please, tell me how to achive this?
07:29.40T4ng10rtanglor@Khlavan:~$ cat /etc/init.d/puppet_repo
07:29.41T4ng10r#! /bin/sh
07:29.41T4ng10r### BEGIN INIT INFO
07:29.41T4ng10r# Provides:          puppet_repo
07:29.41T4ng10r# Required-Start:    $all
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07:30.02T4ng10rouch
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07:30.31T4ng10rhttp://pastebin.com/CgySLmSA
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07:31.42slabity_T4ng10r: Sorry, I'm only familiar with systemd service units. I don't know how to determine which point an init script should run
07:32.17T4ng10rslabity_: then please provide me with the way to use systemd to achieve this
07:32.28T4ng10ryou can see content of script
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07:36.15slabity_T4ng10r: You would create a systemd unit and then put 'Before=network.target' in the [Unit] section.
07:36.31T4ng10rok, i'll try this approach
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07:36.38slabity_Like this: http://pastebin.com/jTWqwkRW
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07:37.12T4ng10rslabity_: thank you for example
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08:01.22darsiefagbodildage: None of the matching drivers on nvidia.com work.
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08:02.18fagbodildageall with the interrupt error?
08:02.32darsieI didn't look.
08:02.46fagbodildagesafe to assume so
08:02.58darsieone no interrupts, one incompatible with the x server.
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08:06.53julius_hi
08:07.37julius_im on jessie, and it says here: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=gnome-session-properties&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any        that "gome-session-properities" is in the package: gnome-session-bin        but that package is installed on my system, but i dont have that file?
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08:46.26T4ng10rhi
08:46.51T4ng10rcan anyone recommend good books explaining sysVInit and systemd?
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08:47.11T4ng10rmost latest and can be seperate books for each system
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08:49.03nhatircfound the answer
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08:50.15chozhaiptables worst in debian 8
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09:02.47RoyKchozha: I just use ufw
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09:06.45chozhaRoyK: how do i switch iptables to ufw ?
09:06.59RoyK!ufw
09:06.59dpkgUncomplicated firewall (ufw) is an <iptables> front-end with syntax similar to OpenBSD's Packet Filter (PF).  https://launchpad.net/ufw
09:07.25RoyKchozha: ufw uses iptables - it's just a nicer interface - simplified a lot
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09:07.52RoyKchozha: if you just need a firewall, just 'ufw allow ssh; ufw enable' and take it from there
09:08.15chozhahow do i install it RoyK
09:08.45RoyKapt-get install ufw
09:08.53chozhaThanks RoyK
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09:31.10darsieThe nvidia driver works in my brothers computer.
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09:34.08darsiebut no interrupts in mine :(
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09:54.20SweetKatyahi. I have in my synaptic linux-image-4.1 backports package. it's a server currently linux-image-3.16 . do you recommend me moving to the backports'?
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09:54.36SweetKatyais't ok if I moved?
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09:55.42ChrisHSweetKatya: testing newer kernel is a low-risk action, as the rollback is simply: reboot into the previous one. (assuming you have access to the system's console)
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09:56.52SweetKatyaChrisH, the physical machine is infront of me . I can upgrade. but I want to see if it's important if I do.
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09:58.18aborreroSweetKatya: I would say yes. I always like newer kernels
09:58.37SweetKatyabut this is a production server.
09:58.38ChrisHSweetKatya: thats a difficult question. Do you need any features from 4.1 Kernel?  Is this a home server or an imnportant production system? There are tons of reason to do and another ton of don't
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09:59.04SweetKatyait's our office email server and web server too
09:59.07ChrisHSweetKatya: for a prodcution server I would start upgrading the corresponding test/stage box.
09:59.30ChrisHSweetKatya: as you are unsure about upgrading, _I_ would not do it.
10:00.12SweetKatyaok.. what's the name of the distro of after jessie ?
10:00.34SweetKatyai'd better wait till the next debian 9.0
10:01.17TSPenguinname is stretch
10:03.01SweetKatyaTSPenguin, how long should I stretch on debian? (just kidding)
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10:04.27TSPenguinYou stretch your aptitude until it becomes semi transparent, if you can read "SEGFAULT" you have over done it
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10:43.38premobosshi all. i came here after 2 days of try and unsuccess. what i need: to create a virtual network to do some test. I have my real pc, in need it play at least 2 virtual PC: one server ad one clinet. virtual_server must talk to real pc (and go to internet using it) and  virtual_pc must talk only to virtual_server to create a 2-node netwok for my tests. with wirtualbox i didm a mess with network configuration and i failed. i accepp
10:43.38premobosssuggestion related to kvm or any other system (running on linux) that allow me that virtual network so as i said. several howto in intenet related to virtualbox did not sove my problem. please help, thanks.,
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11:21.33DarkhunterHello guys, I have IPSec VPN tunnel, but routing doesn't work for me. Can somebodz help me<
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11:45.22Ephexevehey guys, I tried installing Bumblebee on my Macbook Pro, but when I logout to make the new group effect, it gives me a black screen
11:45.32Ephexeveon reboot, it tries to start X, but it won't work
11:45.49Ephexeveapparently I it's trying to load vesa(?) but it cannot find the module
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11:46.11Ephexeveanyone has a clue?
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11:46.47DarkhunterCan somebody help me with IPSEC tunnel routing?
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11:54.27leonarthDarkhunter: #Networking
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12:01.32Darkhunterlonarth: Thanks, I will try it.
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12:03.54a_I installed steam and I am using intel HD graphics. Does anyone know if I have to download some kind of OpenGL libraries too? Can't see anything on the wiki about intel HD graphics and OpenGL. it only mentions ati and nvidia
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12:04.41a_is there a steam channel here?
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12:06.57abrotmana_: you sohuld be okay .. do the games not work?
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12:07.37a_abrotman, i have very bad performance. need to use very low graphics and 640x480 resolution to play CS: GO
12:07.45abrotmanIt is an intel card ..
12:07.49a_ok then
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12:08.46a_abrotman, command not found
12:09.01abrotmana_: Which version of Linux is this?
12:09.08a_abrotman, debian jessie
12:09.14abrotmana_: how did you install X?
12:09.43a_abrotman, it got installed automatically using the graphical installer when booted the cd
12:09.45a_i think
12:09.56a_chose xfce and debian utilities
12:10.55abrotmana_: aptitude install xorg ; make sure allof it is installed
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12:11.40a_abrotman, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
12:12.09a_xorg is already the newest version xorg set to manyally installed
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12:14.57incha_: install mesa-utils package and then glxinfo | grep renderer
12:15.00avril14thHello, I have a problem auto loading encrypted volumes at boot time: Any help is appreciated. Here is the problem: https://gist.github.com/muichkine/381505db66af397143e8
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12:16.09inchIf there is llvmpipe, it's rendering with software. It should say something like: OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) ...
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12:16.26a_ich seems to be working now
12:16.30a_inch, thanks
12:16.51a_hopefully games will run smoother now..
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12:19.34a_inch, it just installed that packet you told me about. are you aware if I need anything else?
12:19.48a_like some other library for steam and mesa stuff
12:20.07inchmesa-utils is just for testing what could be the problem.
12:20.23inchsee what "glxinfo | grep renderer" prints out
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12:20.37a_inch, where to paste?
12:21.07inchI guess you can paste 1 line here, the one that starts with: "OpenGL renderer string"
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12:21.36a_OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Haswell Desktop, inch
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12:21.55a_is this good?
12:21.57inchIt should "just work".
12:22.08a_inch, ok thanks. hope you are right :)
12:22.19inchhmm
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12:22.28inchDo you have 64-bit system installe?
12:22.32a_yeah
12:22.36inchSteam games are often 32-bit.
12:22.48inchOr might be.
12:22.54a_most are
12:23.16inchSo you should have a 32-bit glxinfo and try again.
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12:23.24inchapt-get install mesa-utils:i386
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12:24.20Raven737Hi, question, i have a dd image of a drive. Can I somehow map it as a /dev ?
12:24.32a_inch, installed it. now i get: OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Haswell Desktop x86/MMX/SSE2
12:24.44a_would you say it is better now?
12:24.45Raven737It has no partition table (broken) so I can't just mount it to a path
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12:25.03incha_: It should work.
12:25.09a_great!
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12:26.03a_gotta go. thanks for your help. i really appreciate your time, debianers
12:26.06a_;)
12:26.33Raven737ah... i learned what a loop device is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loop_device thanks
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12:29.36mous_hello i need help with packaging a perl script
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12:46.06babilenmous_: Try #debian-mentors or #debian-perl
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12:46.45mous_ty babilen
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12:47.50mous_babilen there is noone in debian-perl and debian mentors is invite only sad panda
12:48.03babilenmous_: The former is for generic packaging questions and probably the one suited best if you don't have a problem that is of direct interest to the Perl team
12:48.23babilenmous_: Ah, yeah. Both channels are on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net)
12:48.30mous_oh ty
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12:53.12flokuehnhi. I dont see ipv6 via modprobe, but iam able to setup an tunnel via aiccu to sixxs. the main intereste here is why i cant see anything in lsmod? any suggestions?
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12:54.50flokuehnand yes i already checked if ipv6 is disabled but it isnt.
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13:00.35avril14thHello, I have a problem auto loading encrypted volumes at boot time: Any help is appreciated. Here is the messge: https://gist.github.com/muichkine/381505db66af397143e8
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13:07.54ChrisHavril14th: ad 1 - no, or only if you put the key on an USB Stick
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13:08.15ntzhello
13:08.20ChrisHad 2 - the correct keyboard layout should be only a minot issue.
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13:08.48ntzuaaaaaa .... how do I quit from visudo in debian 6.0.10 ????? it's not vi or vim
13:08.52avril14thChrisH: okay, thx for the reply. any idea how to get the keymap properly loaded at boot time?
13:09.11ChrisHavril14th: https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard#How_to_set_keyboard_layout_in_initramfs   looks usefull googled for "debian change keyboard layout in initrd"
13:09.35avril14thChrisH: thanks. I'll look into that.
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13:10.20avril14thChrisH: just a minor question just so I know. It's ok if the error message starts with "logical volumes not found" and that it finally hits them while scanning or I am missing something?
13:10.47ntzcan anybody please tell me how do I quit from visudo in debian 6.0.10 ?????
13:10.54ntzit's not vim or vi
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13:11.22ntzit's some other (possibly retarded and molestatory) editor which I don't know
13:11.28ntzthanks
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13:12.28markybobntz, ctrl+x
13:12.29avril14thntz: tried ":q"? "ctrl + q"?
13:12.46ntzit does nothing .....
13:12.59ntzonly what I know is that it ain't vi or vim
13:13.18ntzmarkybob: Command:
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13:13.32ntzgotcha .... after multiple ctrl+x it asks for "command: "
13:14.39ntz^KX save
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13:15.37ChrisHavril14th: your messsages look the same as the ones I see while booting
13:15.57avril14thChrisH: ok, thx for the feedback
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13:17.21ntzmarkybob: thanks, indeed, it was joe ....
13:17.32MrJoneshow can I force an install script during the "configure" script to terminate properly?
13:17.40ntzyet another "sane" debian default .....
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13:17.51MrJonesI think the mailman one waits for an interactive input although there is none available (docker)
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13:17.55ntzhowever visudo throws about this line: %rancid         ALL=NOPASSWD: /bin/su -s /bin/bash - rancid
13:17.57MrJonesso it's impossible to install it
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13:18.16ntzthat there is a syntax error whilst it works after saving a sudoers file
13:18.37ntzI think that debian hates me :(
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13:21.27ewewIs repository server http.us.debian.org having trouble ? Can not download with apt-cacher.
13:21.44MrJoneshttp://fpaste.org/273135/61924614/raw/ is this supposed to hang forever?
13:22.13MrJoneswhat is the suggested workaround to make it terminate? just kill it? I'm sure dpkg will be unhappy about that
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13:24.13ChrisHMrJones: this seems to be ubuntu
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13:25.45ewewapt-cacher connections from apt-cacher have CLOSE_WAIT state.
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13:28.08MrJonesChrisH: whoops, only our host is debian :D my mistake
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13:31.27id10tmirroring debian - best method - apt-mirror or rsync? or ??
13:31.52id10tdo not need a *full* mirror, just binaries for i386 and amd64
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13:32.55ewewapt-cacher saves downloaded packages and keep them on hdd.
13:33.10ChrisHid10t: do you really need a mirror or would apt-cacher-ng be sufficient?
13:33.25id10tewew - this is for my students to use in a lab, just to save bw and time when they do updates, install various things, etc.
13:33.54ewewIt has weird configuration syntax.
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13:34.48ChrisHid10t: apt-cacher does the same and you simply put it as proxy into your apt.conf
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13:36.31ChrisHid10t: it reduces the bandwidth needed even more, as it downloads only the really needed stuff
13:37.06ewewThe problem is only when using it with vbox.
13:37.14id10ti ask because i'm currently using apt-mirror, but when i pointed at my local mirror to do a netinstall of jessie last night i got tons of errors and it wouldn't work
13:37.24id10tewew - and vbox gets used...
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13:38.05id10ti know the installer expects the -src files, can live with that... but i couldn't even install the basic systems utilities task stuff - ended up with a useless system
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13:43.15ewewI dont know if this problem is related to apt-cacher or vbox network stack or else.
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13:57.48telnes1hello, I try to redirect some traffic to an other host. for that I use iptables and the TEE module, like I cann see here http://superuser.com/questions/853077/iptables-duplicate-traffic-to-another-ip but the best I get is only one part of the flow (not both side) https://www.gliffy.com/go/publish/image/9046689/L.png
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14:31.41VultureZUsing gnome 3 with default install, I am unable to right click the status menu at the top, with Applications/clock/etc. how do you edit this?
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14:36.14avril14thVultureZ: you can't right click he menu except at certain spots (like on the date for instance) where left click == right clikc anyway
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14:40.14portonHow to report a bug with a screenshot?
14:40.30eschmidbaueris there a way to disable a NIC by changing /etc/network/interfaces and doing service networking reload
14:40.39eschmidbaueri commented out the NIC and did reload, but it's still up
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14:49.07ChrisHeschmidbauer: I would have done, ifdown ethX and then modified the interfaces file
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14:51.35eschmidbaueryeah, im re-thinking this
14:51.39eschmidbauerthanks ChrisH
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15:25.04dasabhihey guys i am having some trouble building a kernel source
15:25.23dasabhiso i am trying to crosscompile this kernel using .config file from a whole other build
15:25.35dasabhii placed my .config file into my source directory
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15:25.48dasabhiand wrote the following command ARCH=i386 LOCALVERSION= CROSS_COMPILE=i586-poky-linux- make -j8
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15:26.10dasabhibut when it starts i get this
15:26.43dasabhihttp://www.lick.moe/paste/eefdbce8f4443dcf46e1b1d9afdd6054
15:26.52stevenmI challenge you! I challenge you to find a one-liner that is shorter than mine... which can relaunch sshd for root use and leave it in a state so when sshd starts again it is undone!!! Oh Yes I DO - Oh Yes. Yes.
15:26.56stevenmecho SSHD_OPTS=-o PermitRootLogin=yes >>/etc/default/ssh;service ssh restart;sed -i '$d' /etc/default/ssh
15:26.58stevenmGO!
15:27.13dasabhii know thats not an error, but it should not be asking me to reconfigure when i run make
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15:32.14the_wean1sstevenm: service ssh stop;/usr/sbin/sshd -o PermitRootLogin=yes
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15:35.42ewewThis is weird. When trying to update info for apt-get in vm it stops downloading and stays that way. Logs of apt-cacher show only waiting for data and nothing else.
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15:35.58ntzhello
15:36.08ntzI can't help myself but I have to share this:
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15:36.16stevenmthe_wean1s, except when you call 'systemctl restart ssh' later on - root is still allowed
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15:38.10stevenmthe_wean1s, so not quite but back the way it was
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15:40.42teraflopsntz: please share the suspense is killng me :P
15:40.44ntzyou have in this totally-uncompetent distro beyond other utterly abominable things for instance this comment in root's bashrc http://susepaste.org/view/raw/63976905 ... you don't know that PAM IS DA METHOD FOR SETTING UP UMASK ? like this for example http://susepaste.org/view/raw/18840639 ?
15:41.22the_wean1sstevenm: as I'm still not dealing w/ systemd "natively", the 'service' wrapper seems to do what I'd expect.
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15:41.32ntzmentioning an umask in profile.d or etc/profile files is crime
15:41.47ntzand the mark of absolute lack of sanity .... sorry
15:41.54stevenmthe_wean1s, if you call 'service ssh restart' after your command it doesn't undo it either
15:42.40the_wean1sstevenm: admittedly, I didn't test that.
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15:44.11stevenmntz, well it is commented out... and do you really expect all traces of "older ways of thinking" to be eradicated in a distro that has been going 23 years!?
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15:44.27gefdecueMy old laptop is sata2 so I cant make full use of the ssd performance, is it possible to upgrade from sata3 to sata3 ?
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15:45.41the_wean1sstevenm: pkill sshd;service ssh start is fine w/ me, though.  :^)
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15:46.16ntzstevenm: my big apologize, but debian is rather full of such a disturbing things .... I even reported some bugs about them, mostly without response
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15:46.27LinuxNBHi all, I've been trying to get my wireless card working on linux for the last 2 day with no success. Hopeing someone can help me out. I'm running kali 2 x86 and the wifi is intel 5000 i believe. During install it asked me to provide to it ucode files so i tried tracking them down and installing by apt-get install iwlwifi but it won't work. I see something about firmware being too old during
15:46.27LinuxNBstartup
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15:49.40er4z0rLinuxNB: if you wan't to do some wifi-hacking (aircrack-ng etc.) with your Kali, do yourself a favour and get an external adapter (alfa AWUS....)
15:49.49ntzanother thing which I don't catch is: from where the root sets his PATH when it's not in his $HOME ?????
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15:49.51tosh_if i wanna do a dual boot with debian an windoze ... will i install windows first partition the drive an then boot off the usb with debian on it ?
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15:50.09er4z0rLinuxNB: besides checkout #kali-linux ;-)
15:50.11MikeS_tosh_: sounds like a good idea
15:50.16ntzI have profile.d script setting up path properly by export PATH=$PATH:/something/else
15:50.26ntzit works for all users but not for root
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15:50.41LinuxNBer4z0r I already have an ext for that. this will just be for daily use. I am already dual booting
15:50.54er4z0rLinuxNB: ah okay
15:51.23tosh_finally got the image onto the stick using dd.. is the install any easier ?
15:51.33LinuxNBer4z0r i'll check out that chan but since kali is based on debian i think the prob will be the same?
15:51.44tosh_is it jus nboot pick a parttition an install ??? or wha ?
15:53.07tosh_reboot
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15:56.23ghormoonhi, is there some tool in repos for udp port forward over ssh or do I need to make the pipes manually?
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15:57.08the_wean1sghormoon: udp != tcp (ssh)
15:57.35NoImNotNineVoltthere's no logical reason why one wouldn't be able to tunnel udp over ssh.
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15:57.41ghormooni know, but I've found a way that encapsulates it in tcp, so it goes udp --tcp--udp :)
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15:58.04NoImNotNineVoltghormoon: have you tried using stunnel?
15:58.06ghormoonthe point is that if there's any tool to automate that or I have to do it all manually
15:58.23the_wean1snetcat can do it, too, and I guess you could stuff that down an ssh tunnel
15:58.30NoImNotNineVoltnm, stunnel may be tcp-only.
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15:59.06ghormoonwell the tutorial ontained nc, but also a lot of more things to do :)
15:59.25magnusstubmanHow do I make tor NOT start automatically at boot?
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16:00.31tosh_hey no luck
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16:00.56petn-randallmagnusstubman: two options: 1) it may have a config file in /etc/default/tor, where you can deactivate startup. 2) Depending on your init system, either use sysv-rc-conf (classic sysv-init) or 'systemctl disable tor' (systemd).
16:00.57Komandahow do i shutdown autossh?
16:01.05Komandaautossh -M 25 -f administrator@ip_address -L 25:127.0.0.1:25
16:01.06ghormoonbasically this tutorial (http://wiki.networksecuritytoolkit.org/nstwiki/index.php/Tunnelling_UDP_Traffic_Through_An_SSH_Connection) seems I'll do it manually then, I just need quite a bunch of ports and I was lazy to do it manually :)
16:01.10tosh_it wont boot off  the stick
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16:01.21magnusstubmanthx petn-randall
16:02.45teraflopsmagnusstubman: ah, that's a funny(?) collateral effect of debian starting and enabling services by default when you install them
16:03.30teraflopsregarding tor it may imply you being blacklisted and shit like that
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16:04.23petn-randallteraflops: Why would you get blacklisted for starting a tor node?
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16:04.44ewewI have new data to issue with apt-cacher. It looks like the problem does not affect only vbox.
16:05.26magnusstubmanpetn-randall: because malicious users might do illegal stuff which will originate from your ip
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16:05.36magnusstubmanwill reboot and see if tor starts..
16:05.40magnusstubmanthx for the help guys
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16:06.05petn-randallErrr .... you're not configured to be an exit node by default, durr.
16:06.08jfjdfkjkhi, can you tell me a channel about secure navigation and that issues please?
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16:07.47abrotmanjfjdfkjk: secure navigation of what?
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16:08.07abrotmanThe web?  The ocean?  NYC?
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16:08.50tosh_can't install this debian
16:08.58jfjdfkjkabrotman, I cant join DISQUS.COM
16:09.18tosh_i pout the image on the stick using sudo dd an it wont boot off it.
16:09.19teraflopspetn-randall: now youre right
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16:09.33jfjdfkjkabrotman, that web have secure navigation, and I want to why I cant join the web
16:09.39jfjdfkjkI can join other secure webs
16:09.42jfjdfkjkbut not that
16:09.48jfjdfkjkI am getting paranoid xD
16:09.58petn-randalljfjdfkjk: Ask the administrators of disqus.com then?
16:10.02ntzI have no clue how bash is initialized in debian ... it's just mess :(
16:10.13petn-randalljfjdfkjk: I'm not sure how it has anything to do with Debian.
16:10.18abrotmanjfjdfkjk: how is this related to Debian?
16:10.25abrotmanntz: not that hard
16:10.27jfjdfkjk<jfjdfkjk> hi, can you tell me a channel about secure navigation and that issues please? <---
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16:10.40jfjdfkjkabrotman, petn-randall I asked for a corret channel...
16:10.43abrotmanjfjdfkjk: ask #freenode or ##chat to redirect you, or email the admins of that website
16:10.44jfjdfkjkat first
16:10.47jfjdfkjkok
16:10.50jfjdfkjkthanks
16:10.51abrotmanjfjdfkjk: /msg alis help
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16:11.03abrotmanor not
16:11.14ntzabrotman: okay, I'm going to take my cigarette break and I'll explain you my problem ... I'm sure that I'll show ya that's not that easy opposingly
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16:12.36jfjdfkjkabrotman, I cant join the web so I cant access to support information xD
16:12.43jfjdfkjkcan you tell me email please?
16:12.44jfjdfkjkxD
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16:14.00petn-randalljfjdfkjk: Sorry, get someone in your vicinity help you how to use a web browser. Explaining this via IRC might be too difficult.
16:14.14Komandawhy does autossh open a tunnel on port 26 when i'm trying to open one on 25?
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16:14.56teclo-jfjdfkjk: please disconnect and come back with a non-bogus username
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16:17.42NormalUserNamepetn-randall, I am using normally Mmy browser, are you the troll of this channel?
16:17.47NormalUserNameI just asked for help
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16:17.58NormalUserNamepetn-randall, If yo cant help then shut the fuck up
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16:18.04NormalUserNameand let others help
16:18.07socommruh-roh
16:18.07petn-randall!ops NormalUserName
16:18.08dpkgHydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: NormalUserName
16:18.18NormalUserNametrollpers
16:18.22NormalUserNamexD
16:18.22petn-randallNormalUserName: Have a nice day.
16:18.24petn-randall!next
16:18.24dpkgAnother happy customer leaves the building.
16:18.34ntzabrotman: i'm back, can I /msg you ? it would be better like that
16:18.39VultureZlol
16:18.47NormalUserNamepetn-randall, #education and #kindness
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16:18.53NormalUserName!next
16:18.54dpkgAnother happy customer leaves the building.
16:18.54NormalUserNamexD
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16:19.38socommex dee, I'm in middle school
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16:19.53finetundra2234afternoon folks
16:20.07TSPenguin\o finetundra2234
16:20.15socomm9 in the morning, my friend
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16:20.41finetundra2234socomm: not here on the eastern coast of the US
16:20.43TSPenguin6 in the evening, buddy
16:21.25finetundra2234Regardless of the time, how's everyone doing?
16:21.32socommTSPenguin: you must live in the olde country
16:21.41petn-randall!ot
16:21.42dpkg#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users.  Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic.  Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
16:22.26Komandaautossh gives me this error
16:22.28Komandachannel_setup_fwd_listener: cannot listen to port: 25 Warning: remote port forwarding failed for listen port 25
16:22.36Komandanetstat doesnt show anything listening on port 25
16:22.45Komandaso i'm now i'm lost
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16:24.22socommKomanda: Why are you using ssh on an email port?
16:24.28petn-randallKomanda: To be able to bind to port below 1024, you need to be root.
16:25.07finetundra2234what socomm said
16:25.38greenmanWhen I try to bring up eth0, it says incorrect usage of dhclient.  How do I find out how ifup is calling dhclient?
16:25.53petn-randallfinetundra2234, TSPenguin, feel free to join us on #debian-offtopic, it's kind of quiet there at the moment.
16:26.05petn-randallgreenman: Which version of Debian are you running?
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16:26.28Komandapetn-randall: i am root, but its probably something like that yeah, any other suggestions?
16:26.52greenmanpetn-randall: I just upgraded to wheezy
16:26.58Komandasocomm: tunnel
16:27.24socommKomanda: Use ports greater than 1024.
16:27.33greenmanit wouldn't boot under the new kernel, so I booted the old kernel.  Tried to do another update incase something didn't work and found out I had no internet
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16:27.47socommUsing anything that is reserved may lead to unwanted consequences.
16:28.42socommgreenman: Check your /etc/network/if-up.d configuration
16:29.08greenmansocomm: okay, I'll let you know if I see anything obviously wonky
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16:30.45socommgreenman: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
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16:31.19greenmanNone of the scripts in if-up.d reference dhclient...
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16:33.00er4z0rgreenman: does the definiton of eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces have a script attribute?
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16:36.17greenmaner4z0r: I don't see anything regarding a script.  Just iface eth0 auto dhcp
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16:45.00An_Ony_MooseWhat's the current standard procedure for getting/building cross-compilers? (existing binaries would be nice for practicality's sake seeing as I want to build for arm-gnueabihf which is to my knowledge a fairly common target, but using some tool to build it myself isn't a problem either)
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16:52.34podbayI'm rebuilding a file server, I had been using NFS, wondering if I should use something else.  Any opinions?
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17:08.25shingouzwhy, oh why am i getting "pci 0000:00:02.0: BAR 15: no space for [mem size 0x04000000 pref]"-type barfs in dmesg. *nothing* i try with the kernel parameters help and i have not found anything useful on google. i would like to get rid of the barfs so my cardbus would start working again... hints are appreciated
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17:19.12shawn1podbay: use samba
17:19.27shawn1it's the most ubiquitous
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17:25.04kaakI'm using debuild with debhelper to build a package with a long compile time. The project builds, but then fails at package time ... Is there a easy way to just re-attempt the packaging steps and *NOT* the build steps?
17:25.34kaaki.e. dh_auto_build works just fine, dh_* bombs out with errors
17:26.05kaakWaiting forever for compiles, just to fix something in debian/install is verrry annoying
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17:26.34greenmanany clues on this?  I'm stumped:
17:26.36greenmanhttp://imgur.com/ASmnaqg
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17:30.08w00dieHey guys! I have network problems. I have to config network on Debian 7.8. /etc/init.d/networking doesn't exist. I guess that this is old way and I need to fix it. Now I have this link: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration Is it work link? I mean should I just follow these instructions?
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17:32.28jordanm,file /etc/init.d/networking
17:32.31juddSearch for /etc/init.d/networking in jessie/amd64: ifupdown: etc/init.d/networking
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17:33.43w00dieI'm building debian for embedded device and have to config packages by myself. I use multistrap. But I'm not sure which packages used for network manipulation. Link, DHCP, DNS settings, etc
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17:33.59w00diejudd: I use wheezy
17:34.00juddNo package named 'use' was found in wheezy/amd64.
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17:34.22Komandaautossh -M 25 root@server -R 25:localhost:25 -i keyfile.pem
17:34.25shingouzw00die: judd is a bot...
17:34.29Komandais there a diffrence between these commands?
17:34.38Komandacuzz the first one works but the second doesnt
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17:35.37w00dieshingouz: OK)) Lol..
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17:37.32greenmanNo clues?  http://imgur.com/ASmnaqg
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17:38.12OrochimarufanAnyone knows of an openssl 1.0.2 backport for jessie?
17:38.44unexampledOrochimarufan, why do you need it?
17:39.04Orochimarufanunexampled: EC private keys in PKCS#12 seem to require it
17:39.18unexampledno you won't get it in Jessie
17:39.20unexampledtry Fedora
17:39.24the_weanusw00die: the bot is correct, though, try (re)installing ifupdown
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17:39.55w00diethe_weanus: ok, thanks, I'll try
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17:40.16Orochimarufanunexampled: I'm honestly not sure how you'd warrant switching distro over something like this
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17:41.04spalIs fish not available as a package in Debian 8.0?
17:41.10VultureZUgh Debian's default editor is vi not vim.... distro switch!
17:41.14VultureZ:P
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17:41.28shingouz,v fish
17:41.29juddPackage: fish on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.23.1-2; wheezy: 1.23.1+20120106.git8b407a3-1; jessie-backports: 2.1.2+dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.2.0-2; sid: 2.2.0-2
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17:41.40markybobOrochimarufan, pretty easy. just told dpkg to tell you why
17:42.16Orochimarufanmarkybob: I'm quite aware of what dpkg just told me
17:42.17markybobs/why/who/g
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17:42.38markybobOrochimarufan, okay. great attitude. you're welcome
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17:43.46unexampledOrochimarufan, I am sure you won't find it in Stable so unless you plan to mess up a lot of things kindly don't and just switch if you like :)
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17:44.32OrochimarufanWell, I'm quite fond of the debian ecosystem so I'd try sid over fedora
17:45.18OrochimarufanI'm just thinking that since jessie is pretty young, switching to sid at this point is going to come with some pain
17:45.42markybobit will. which is why i told you how to make your own backport
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17:46.25Orochimarufanmarkybob: Installing build tools on production servers isn't exactly recommended^^
17:46.39Orochimarufan(yeah I know, just use a different machine to build)
17:47.04markybobOrochimarufan, sigh. that's ...nevermind. not worth my time
17:47.44greenmanSo I updated to Jessie and found this on boot:  http://imgur.com/ASmnaqg
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17:49.53Orochimarufanmarkybob: I'm sorry if I came across as rude, I'm kinda tired and need to fix this before the day ends. I appreciate your trying to help, but I'd like to save that way for last resort
17:50.34unexampledmarkybob, then actually try to help by giving some hints and instruction, not ever user is a geek
17:50.57lubarchwhich program is better fdisk, parted, gdisk? what is the difference?
17:51.05NoImNotNineVoltgparted.
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17:51.28lubarchgparted is gui based?
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17:51.52lubarchi want to know about commandline versions?
17:52.26Orochimarufanlubarch: gdisk is just fdisk with gpt support, they're pretty much the same otherwise. parted is a different tool. Personally, it seems to me that the f/gdisk interface is simpler to use
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17:53.13OrochimarufanParted probably has more features, but most of the time, fdisk will get the work done with less of an headache in my experience
17:53.21lubarchOrochimarufan: why people recommend parted? i don't understand i also feel fdisk is better
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17:54.25OrochimarufanI'm pretty sure parted has quite a few advantages, but it never felt easy to use...
17:55.44tosh_anyone ?
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17:57.07Orochimarufanlubarch: I also think that gdisk is a fairly recent thing, before that parted was the only way to do gpt
17:57.30tosh_which one do i download ?
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17:59.03tosh_have intel quad core looking for 64bit
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18:00.52OrochimarufanApparently, any kind of ec cert requires 1.0.2...
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18:01.56markybobOrochimarufan, use chroot. no need for a new machine.
18:02.12greenmanSo I updated to Jessie and found this on boot:  http://imgur.com/ASmnaqg
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18:04.33Orochimarufanmarkybob: is it even compatible? I've read something about removing sslv3 support and increasing the SOVERSION
18:05.59OrochimarufanNow that I'm trying to find it again, I can't reproduce it though...
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18:07.08iuzHey guys
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18:08.01iuzI want to put a .jar (java program) on the path, so instead of doing java /someplace/jar.jar I can just do jar from anywhere and it will work
18:08.07iuzhow do I go about doing that?
18:08.48Orochimarufanjuz: look up how to do binfmt-misc for jars then rename jar.jar to jar and put it on $PATH
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18:09.32Orochimarufans/juz/iuz/
18:09.34iuzOrochimarufan: thank you, after just having it as jar can I just drop it on /usr/bin?
18:09.45eschmidbauerIf i do, ifdown eth1   .... then ifup eth1         it never comes back
18:09.54eschmidbaueri have to do reboot for NIC to come up again
18:10.01eschmidbauerDoes anyone haev any idea why this would happen?
18:10.04Orochimarufaniuz: you need to tell the kernel how to run jar files
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18:11.01iuzOrochimarufan: thats with binfmt-misc right? then after that just dropping it on /usr/bin works yes?
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18:11.09Orochimarufancorrect
18:11.10eschmidbauershould i be doing /sbin/ifconfig eth1  up   instead?
18:11.23OrochimarufanI never did it myself so I'm not sure about how to do the binfmt part
18:11.38iuzOrochimarufan: there is this https://packages.debian.org/hu/wheezy/java/jarwrapper
18:11.44iuzbut hey, thank you very much
18:11.48OrochimarufanYeah I just found that too
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18:15.32eschmidbauersame issue...
18:15.58lubarchwhich backup method is good tar or rsync?
18:15.59eschmidbauerwhy wouldn't ifup work...
18:16.07eschmidbauerbut rebooting brings it up
18:16.18Orochimarufanlubarch: those are two different pairs of shoes entirely
18:16.40lubarchwhen to use tar or rsync?
18:16.50unexampledOrochimarufan, did you find the OpenSSL?
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18:17.05Orochimarufanlubarch: Depends on what you want to do
18:17.22JelouHello
18:17.26Orochimarufanunexampled: I'm setting up a lxc container on my local machine to build the sid one
18:17.38lubarchi want to backup my full system
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18:18.31Orochimarufanlubarch: rsync is for duplicating/synching a file structure somewhere else. tar is for archiving a file structure in one file/stream
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18:19.37OrochimarufanPersonally, I'd use tar
18:20.02lubarchOrochimarufan: i think rsync better
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18:20.20lubarchwhy tar?
18:20.40f31nhi, did anyone use ipsec strongswan in debian jessy before?
18:20.46OrochimarufanWell, you need to watch out about preserving permissions and ownership and whatnot on the target filesystem with rsync
18:21.10OrochimarufanLike, you don't want to rsync your stuff onto a fat32 drive
18:21.19f31nipsec statusall tells me the tunnel is up and running service ipsec status tells me the tunnel is inactive (dead) oO?
18:21.22lubarchOrochimarufan: ok thnx friend
18:21.36OrochimarufanOTOH, since the permissions are stored inside the tar file, it doesn't care where you actually put it
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18:22.28eschmidbauerahha... systemd is now involved in restarting nics
18:23.03tosh_can somone help me out i'm on the debian webi
18:23.08Orochimarufaneschmidbauer: no matter what, always assume systemd is involved
18:23.16eschmidbauersystemctl restart ifup@eth1.service
18:23.23eschmidbauer^^ that's not confusing at all
18:23.24OrochimarufanEven if it's not, it'll save trouble to check anyway
18:23.46eschmidbaueralright... well... i may have found solution ...
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18:24.08tosh_can someone help me out i'm on the debian website and I'm lost, which one will i download i'm running intel quad core an i want 64bit
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18:24.22Orochimarufantosh_: what do you want to do?
18:24.26OrochimarufanInstall debian?
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18:24.45tosh_yeah install it yeah mater
18:26.38OrochimarufanYou probably want the live image
18:26.46Orochimarufanhttps://www.debian.org/CD/live/
18:26.56tosh_do i stick that on a usb stick... ?
18:27.06OrochimarufanThat's one option
18:27.14shingouznetinstall for amd, not the ia64
18:27.29eschmidbaueri feel like 'service networking restart' should be depreciated if we have to use systemd now
18:27.38eschmidbauerifdown/up doesnt even seem to work anymore
18:27.55eschmidbaueri have to do: systemctl restart ifup@eth1.service
18:28.15Orochimarufantosh_: Maybe you want to read this: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/
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18:28.45tosh_read it it's for amd's though is it ?
18:29.09Orochimarufantosh_: amd64 is an architecture also used by Itel
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18:29.16tosh_do ya reckon gnome or cinnamin
18:29.28Orochimarufantosh_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64
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18:30.26tosh_i'm aware of that mate but i'm not running amd chip
18:30.47Orochimarufantosh_: Personally, I'm not a fan of GNOME 3, but you'd better decide for your own since it's mostly a matter of taste
18:31.13tosh_are you running cinnamin
18:31.13OrochimarufanWell, if you give that wiki article some attention then you should be able to tell that it's what you want
18:31.22OrochimarufanNo, I'm running KDE
18:31.34tosh_must have a look at that
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18:31.55tosh_the wiki about the history of architecture...
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18:33.55OrochimarufanWell, read it, or just accept that you want the amd64 variant
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18:34.57tosh_can i install that on an intel chip ?
18:35.22OrochimarufanCome on, at least read the Intel 64 section of the article
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18:35.29tosh_ok
18:35.42shingouz!amd64
18:35.42dpkgamd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64.  Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64.  The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686-pae or -amd64 kernel.  See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>.
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18:38.29mike802hi everyone
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18:39.41tosh_bt-hyd or iso-hybrydbry
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18:40.21tosh_didn't know that amd devoileped the architecture
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18:41.00bjonnhIs the order of the preseed file important?
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18:41.54bjonnhI'm trying to make a preseed with a static ip, but it keeps doing the auto discovery. (I have d-i netcfg/disable_autoconfig boolean true and d-i netcfg/disable_dhcp boolean true)
18:41.55Orochimarufantosh_: ?
18:43.21OrochimarufanI seem to be especially lucky today >.<
18:43.42OrochimarufanNow debootstrap is chickening out on me
18:43.51bjonnhOrochimarufan: ?
18:43.59JelouHi everyone! Does anyone know how I can disable telnet in a CCTV recorder with busybox? 'passwd' command does not exist and almost all the filesystem is read-only, but /mnt/mtd/Config/ where are the config files of the recorder. Any idea?
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18:44.37Orochimarufanbjonnh: It's probably lxc's fault, some paths are messed up
18:45.04tosh_when i go into cdimiage.debian.org/debian-cd/amd64  it asks me bt-image or iso-image or webboot
18:45.07jellyJelou: unless that CCTV runs debian, you're asking in the wrong place (try ##linux channel for generic linux questions)
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18:45.25bjonnhmy preseed file: http://bjonnh.net/share/preseed.cfg
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18:45.50Orochimarufantosh_: how about you just follow the links on the main page lol... http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
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18:46.16JelouOK, jelly
18:46.18tosh_well i was one folder away from that
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18:47.22tosh_so iso - hyvrid it is... the rest is matter of taste...
18:47.45tosh_is steamos using gnome3
18:47.48tosh_??
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18:48.16fenneszGuys I have installed flashplugin-nonfree on Debian 8 but the flash plugin does not appear on Chromium . It works with iceweasel though. Does anyone has experience with this?
18:48.26Orochimarufanyeah, for the desktop. Though steamos is obviously designed to run steam big picture and not a desktop
18:48.30babilenfennesz: You want pepperflash on chromium
18:48.54babilen,i pepperflashplugin-nonfree
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18:48.56juddPackage pepperflashplugin-nonfree (contrib/web, optional) in jessie/amd64: Pepper Flash Player - browser plugin. Version: 1.8.1; Size: 10.6k; Installed: 74k; Homepage: http://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer
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18:49.09fenneszbabilen, can I have both installed ?
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18:49.32Orochimarufanfennesz: yeah, you still need flashplugin for everything non-chromium
18:49.35babilenfennesz: Sure, Iceweasel will use the (old and unmaintained) flashplugin while chromium uses pepperflash
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18:50.10fenneszcool ! thank you guys !
18:50.30bjonnhI found a part of my problem
18:50.38bjonnhmy preseed file is on an http server (made by packer)
18:50.47bjonnhbut of course I need network for that
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18:51.03bjonnhhow can I set the network before even downloading the preseed?
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18:51.21babilenfennesz: Keep in mind that you will have to upgrade those plugins manually with "update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install" and "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" respectively
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18:51.51babilenfennesz: I made a cron job to run that daily
18:51.54fenneszbabilen, ok I will keep that in mind
18:52.08fenneszbabilen, do I have to do this everyday?
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18:54.14tosh_downloading it now it's 1.3 gb
18:54.35tosh_sound right ?? do i still need to use dd to extract it to the stick
18:54.41babilenfennesz: No, surely not
18:54.57fenneszok
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18:55.12babilentosh_: SteamOS is not supported in here at all if you are referring to that
18:55.26babilendpkg: steamos
18:55.26dpkgSteamOS is an operating system released by Valve as a gaming platform, based on Debian 7 "Wheezy".  It is not supported in #debian, support is available in #steamOS on irc.freenode.net or at http://support.steampowered.com/ .  See <based on debian>.
18:56.06fenneszOne more question . I am trying Gnome on wayland right now and sometimes I see a "shadow" of the mouse on random places . Like a minor glitch. Are there any settings you have to do for Wayland?
18:56.06tosh_no mate i'm downloading debian
18:56.29babilentosh_: Great
18:56.32fenneszI use wayland because of screen tearing in X . On wayland everything works smoother
18:56.58tosh_do i need to use dd in terminal to put it on the usb key ??
18:57.21Orochimarufantosh_: there are different ways to do it, dd is one of them
18:57.22ewewIs normal if i use self compiled kernel and the gui gets messedup ?
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18:57.43tosh_can i jus extract it through the guiu
18:57.46tosh_gui
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18:58.01tosh_i'm in mint
18:58.16abrotmanntz: sorry, was at lunch and in meetings
18:58.47tosh_not good enough abrotman !!!
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19:05.30tosh_dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4096 is that right ? ? ?
19:05.50tosh_where debian.iso is the renamed downloaded debian image
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19:07.12jmcnaughttosh_: that doesn't look incorrect to me, however the install manual recommends the easier command "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX".
19:07.45jmcnaughttosh_: reading the install manual might not be a bad idea, and then ask questions here if you run into roadblocks: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/
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19:10.08Orochimarufanout of curiosity, is there anything wrong with doing cat .iso > /dev/device? I've never seen that recommended anywhere.
19:10.39tosh_cool   see if i can boot off it now... if i wanna setup a dual boot will i boot off the win7 dvd first an partition the drive... which os must i install first
19:10.43tosh_? ? ?
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19:11.03Orochimarufanalways install windows first
19:11.17Orochimarufanthat way the bootloader setup will give you less trouble
19:11.23babilenOrochimarufan: No, not at all. I typically use "cp /path/to/debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" though as you can run that easily through sudo
19:11.50bjonnhbabilen: sync is useless I think
19:11.52babilen(with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb)
19:11.58bjonnhbabilen: because there are no fs involved
19:12.14Orochimarufanbabilen: yeah I guess it's simpler than sh -c "cat ... >...." heh
19:12.16tosh_nice one mate i'll give it a bash .. here goes nothin
19:12.44babilenOrochimarufan: Exactly
19:13.36babilenbjonnh: That could actually be, won't hurt though ;)
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19:14.03rangergordHi
19:15.07rangergordis it legal to sell a desktop system with Debian preinstalled on it (ie for commercial purposes), just like that? Or would one need to contact Debian?
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19:16.10mike802you can contact debian if you want
19:16.27mike802most lawsuits are aimed at large sellers
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19:16.50mike802like when ibm tried to re-package linux
19:16.59tondior read their licences
19:16.59tosh_it wont boot off it... ???
19:17.07OrochimarufanI'm pretty sure as long as you don't charge for debian explicitly or modify debian while installing it and not releasing the mods, you're fine
19:17.12rangergordyou mean SCO vs IBM?
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19:17.22tosh_the stick i mean... gonna try it with cp... this is the proiblem i keep having
19:18.05rangergordOrochimarufan: yeah the user wouldn't even realize it's Debian. It would be a "dedicated for one app" touchscreen device. I wouldn't use Debian (except in the manual as required by the GPL).
19:18.10tosh_so cp debian.iso /de/sdb
19:18.12rangergords/use/mention
19:18.21tosh_thats it simple as that ??
19:19.17rangergordmike802: I'm really curious, what IBM lawsuit are you referring to? Got a link? All I could find was the SCO debacle.
19:19.26Orochimarufanrangergord: I'd personally consider it good ettiquette to mention it on-screen somewhere, but you need to make it clear that you're not endorsed by debian and all that
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19:20.45mike802lawsuit?
19:20.47tosh_copien it over now... i'll bet it still wont boot off it.
19:20.57rangergordmike802: <mike802> most lawsuits are aimed at large sellers <mike802> like when ibm tried to re-package linux
19:20.58mike802they don't really end up on that side of things
19:21.07Orochimarufantosh_: you'll probably have to mess with your bios or something
19:21.28tosh_been in there mate... the usb is set as the first boot option
19:21.31OrochimarufanI need to reboot brb
19:21.34mike802what i meant to say was, that is a use that open source licenses protect again
19:21.50rangergordoh, ok
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19:22.30tosh_done rebooting brb
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19:23.25ewewI am moron. I should configure apt for apt-cacher in apt.conf, not in sources.list.
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19:25.11tosh_no joy still wont boot off it... nightmare
19:25.36Orochimarufanback
19:26.21greenmanSo I updated to Jessie and found this on boot:  http://imgur.com/ASmnaqg
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19:26.32jhutchinstosh_: Did you check the md5sum of the iso?
19:26.35tosh_same here still wont boot off the stick what ami doin wrong
19:26.55tosh_no how do i do that ?
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19:28.59tondiyou need to make the stick a bootable usb, try doing so with PowerISO
19:29.32tondion windows
19:29.40jhutchins!md5sum
19:29.42dpkgd41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e
19:29.45jhutchinsHeh.
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19:30.23jhutchinstondi: Check the site you downloaded the iso from.  It should have a (signed) checksum, usually md5sum.  Run md5sum <isofile> and compare.
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19:32.08unborntosh_, are you trying to create bootable usb with win7?
19:32.19unbornor linux?
19:32.27tosh_md5sum -c debian.iso ??? is that it
19:32.27tosh_or md5sum debian.iso ???
19:32.27tosh_no mate i'm in mint
19:32.49greenmanI'm just trying to update a system so that it will *boot*
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19:34.14greenmanIF I boot to an old kernel, it boots
19:34.51tosh_linux
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19:35.33unborntosh_, https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=create+bootalbe+usb+on+linux+mint&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gfe_rd=cr&ei=cDkMVuiiBcmq8wffj7fgBg
19:35.40tosh_is this correct syntax for checking the file "md5sum -c debian.iso"
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19:38.10jhutchinstosh_: the md5sum command calculates and displays the checksum of the file.
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19:43.48greenmanSo yeah, it boots to the old kernel but not to the new kernel.  Not sure why, it just panics
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19:44.25johnkeatesthe panic might give a clue...
19:45.31tosh__it does that jhutchins does that mean the file is downloaded correctly
19:45.31tosh__anyone please answer
19:46.19blaHow to debug why schroot doesn't mount /proc and /sys in new chroot?
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19:46.25tosh__the md5sum seems to work ok that mean the file is downloaded correctly
19:46.33blaprofile=default set, fstab for profile present.. no idea how to debug it.
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19:47.37greenmanjohnkeates: doesn't mean anything to me...  Just unable to mount root fs, no reason why
19:47.40greenmanhttp://imgur.com/ASmnaqg
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19:48.48maldicionchina_Hi everyone
19:49.00johnkeatesgreenman: you are not using an initramfs
19:49.14johnkeatesgreenman: and the kernel does not have the modules built in to support your block-device
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19:49.28johnkeatesgreenman: so it doesn't know how to access or find your block device
19:49.53tosh__hello anyone help pls...
19:50.03johnkeatesgreenman: unless you are intentionally not using an initrd, you might simply have a broken grub config
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19:51.31greenmanjohnkeates: That's odd.  What would upgrading from squeeze to wheezy mess up?  The odd thing is, this is the slave ldap box and the master ldap box had no problems upgrading
19:52.11johnkeatesgreenman: not sure, might be an issue with a change in the grub config based on a different firmware/BIOS or partitioning style
19:52.25johnkeatesgreenman: you can try manually adding an initrd in there
19:52.35johnkeatessearch for 'manual grub booting' to learn how
19:52.43jhutchinsSigh.
19:52.57greenmanjohnkeates: I have, with a few servers had problems with it not realizing that ext4 covers ext2, so I have to load the ext4 module into the initramfs, but it's never outright paniced like this, it usually kicks you to the initramfs prompt.  I tried last week to do that ext4 solution and something didn't work.  I'll try again and see what happens
19:53.00ewewWhat difference is accessing apt-cacher like mirror and proxy ?
19:53.39johnkeatesgreenman: well, that's the difference here, you won't get that initramfs prompt because none is configured by grub :)
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19:53.54johnkeatesyou can add it by breaking in to the editor before grub starts
19:54.03johnkeatesand add the line in there
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19:56.33biberaowhere do i set debfullname?
19:57.00greenmanjohnkeates: how do I see where initramfs is or is not configured by grub?  (that would explain why adding ext4 to iniramfs_tools/modules didn't do the trick)
19:57.19johnkeatesit's usually in /boot/
19:57.24johnkeatesyou should be able to auto-complete it
19:57.45johnkeatesyou have /boot/vmlinuz-blabla-version
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19:57.50greenmanI know where the config is, but I mean where in the config does it (or doesn't it) call out initramfs
19:57.54greenmanjohnkeates: yeah, have those
19:58.05johnkeatesso initrd would be something like /boot/initrd-blabla-version
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19:58.14johnkeatesthe line you need to add is something like:
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19:58.37johnkeatesinitrd /initramfs-4.1.6-201.fc22.x86_64.img
19:58.45t4nk331I want to meet someone of team of debian package , I have a bit experience working in package
19:58.47johnkeates(i took that line from a random vm i was ssh'ed in to)
19:59.01greenmanjohnkeates: is that in the grubconf?
19:59.08johnkeatesyes, grub.cfg
19:59.11johnkeatesbut don't add it there
19:59.21johnkeatesadd it to the grub console at boot time
19:59.31johnkeatesthere is like ctrl+e to edit a boot menu entry
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19:59.38johnkeatesyou'll get an editor and you can add the line there
19:59.42johnkeatesthen boot with ctrl+x
19:59.47greenmanthat's weird that I had initramfs working before the upgrade
19:59.48johnkeatesif that works you know it's fixed
19:59.59greenmanjohnkeates: yeah, but that's not permanent, right?
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20:00.13johnkeatesgreenman: true, but you can't fix it by editing grub.cfg either
20:00.22johnkeatesgreenman: first you have to know that initrmfs booting works manually
20:00.36johnkeatesgreenman: if that works, you know that the files and system are Ok
20:00.42An_Ony_MooseWhat's the current standard procedure for getting/building cross-compilers? The wiki is somewhat unclear (existing binaries would be nice for practicality's sake seeing as I want to build for arm-gnueabihf which is to my knowledge a fairly common target, but using some tool to build it myself isn't a problem either)
20:00.58johnkeatesnext step is fixing update-initramfs and grub-update or update-grub
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20:01.07johnkeatesand checking /etc/grub.d and /etc/defaults/grub etc
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20:01.31johnkeatesbut first you have to know that you can actually boot and that vmlinuz+initrd are good to go
20:02.00greenmanjohnkeates: okay I'll try that boot option
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20:02.50johnkeatesyours is probably going to look like initrd /boot/initrd-3.2.0-amd64
20:03.12johnkeatesall you need to do is add the initrd /boot/initrd-3 line and press tab and it'll autocomplete for you
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20:05.14t4nk331some who knows about making debian package?
20:05.23greenmanhmm...  still panics
20:06.12greenmanjohnkeates: was I supposed to put that initrd line seperate from the line that has ro quiet?
20:06.30johnkeatesyes
20:06.34johnkeatesit needs its own time
20:06.35johnkeatesline*
20:06.35the_weanust4nk331: fpm is your friend.
20:06.54johnkeateshence the text: add line ;)
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20:10.10t4nk331slaps the_weanus around a bit with a large fishbot
20:10.16greenmanjohnkeates: yeah, sorry, I read it as add to line.  Most things that you do at boot are added to that line.
20:11.26the_weanust4nk331: slap yer own weanus with whatever you prefer.
20:12.10t4nk331the_weanus: excuse me
20:12.23t4nk331wrong click xD
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20:13.08greenmanjohnkeates: it booted!  Okay so how do I make this permanent?
20:14.33johnkeatesgreenman: cool, now, the first things i usually do is rebuild initramfs and update grub so:
20:14.39johnkeatessudo update-initramfs -u
20:15.03greenmanI already rebuilt initramfs before I did that, I should do it again?  (I guess it doesn't hurt :D )
20:15.04johnkeatesand sudo update-grub
20:15.12johnkeatesyeah, it won't hurt :P
20:15.22johnkeatesthen cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg and check if you have initrd lines in there
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20:16.22greenmanI dont have grub.cfg...
20:16.47greenmandefault maybe
20:17.01johnkeateshmm, are you using an older grub? probably not..
20:17.07johnkeatesnot sure where your grub.cfg lives
20:17.17johnkeatesmine lives at /boot/grub/grub.cfg
20:17.19jhutchinsgreenman: in /boot/grub/?
20:17.26johnkeatesbut yours might be hiding somewhere else on the fs
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20:17.39greenmanit was in menu.lst
20:17.45rainfyreit's the one they say never to play with that everyone plays with
20:18.06johnkeatesmenu.lst is ancient :P
20:18.07greenmanand the initrd line is there
20:18.17greenmanjohnkeates: this is an upgrade from 5
20:18.17johnkeatesyou were on wheezy?
20:18.20greenman5-6-7
20:18.22johnkeatesah
20:18.28johnkeatesin that case menu.lst is ok
20:18.36greenmanonce I solve the networking error, then it will be on to 8
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20:19.03johnkeateswhat kind of network error? ;)
20:19.06rainfyregreenman: have you just not turned it on in the last 7 years or something? :)
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20:19.25greenmanrainfyre: it's our ldap server.  This company is jacked
20:19.29greenmantomorrow is my last day :D
20:19.34rainfyrethat is insane
20:19.38rainfyrenice :)
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20:19.50greenmanjohnkeates: it looks like dhclient isn't called right by ifup
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20:20.40jhutchinsgreenman: Keep in mind that if you go to 8, you will by default go to systemd - and whole new problems that can't be solved with old methods.
20:20.42greenmanthis is what happens when eth0 is brought up at boot and when I do an ifup
20:20.43greenmanhttp://imgur.com/25Lj0G9
20:21.03greenmanjhutchins: yeah, I've already encountered some of them on some of the systems
20:21.16greenmanthis guys are so old that almost every upgrade had gone wrong in a different way
20:21.23jhutchinsgreenman: I think that's what ifconfig did too - you had to run dhclient seperately.
20:22.22rainfyregreenman: what about ifconfig eth0 up
20:25.15jhutchinsrainfyre: That should not run dhcp
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20:26.12greenmanrainfyre: well it technically brought eth0 up, but it didn't do dhclient so it has no IP address
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20:26.35rainfyrejhutchins: gotcha, i missed that. greenman what about dhclient eth0?
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20:27.14jhutchinsI'm not sure about "ip up".
20:27.20greenmanrainfyre: that worked.  So what is ifup doing wrong?
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20:27.40rainfyreand i may be totally off base, but what if you bring up your interface and assign a local ip address like ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.2 up, then dhclient eth0
20:27.59rainfyregreenman: I don't know, bro. I'm just hacking my way through
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20:28.07johnkeateswhy don't you dhclient eth0 directly
20:28.07DanDareHello there. Any suggestion for a GU SFTP client on Debian. Just tried FileZilla but it doesnt support password protected keyfiles. Been trying internet a while for alternatives but strangely without much success
20:28.19greenmanjohnkeates: yeah, I did that and it works
20:28.19jhutchinsrainfyre: THat _should_ cause dhclient to overwrite the address.
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20:28.26rainfyrejhutchins: ah, thank you
20:28.40jhutchinsDanDare: xterm?
20:28.43greenmanNow I have to figure out why the ifup that it does on boot doesn't work, it's like it's passing it an option or something
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20:28.57DanDarejhutchins, a GUI SFTP client.
20:29.15greenmanDanDare: xterm?  ;)  kidding
20:29.16DanDarexterm is a GUI terminal emulator :)
20:29.18jhutchinsDanDare: xterm works in a GUI <grin>.
20:29.39DanDaresure it does
20:29.42jhutchinsIs winscp available for windows?
20:29.44rainfyreheh
20:29.47greenmanHow can I find out where ifup called dhclient?
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20:29.51jhutchinsEr, I mean for linux.
20:30.04DanDareyeah. WinSCP is great. I use it. I need one for Linux
20:30.35DanDarefilezilla just seemed perfect but it wont accept my password protected key :(
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20:32.24greenmanthis is all interfaces has
20:32.35greenmaniface eth0 inet dhcp
20:32.46greenmanso that doesn't say how it's calling dhclient
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20:32.57jhutchinsDanDare: Dolphin and Nautilus can supposedly work.
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20:33.54jhutchinsDanDare: http://winscp.net/eng/data/media/screenshots/commander.png
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20:34.27jhutchinsDanDare: Dunno if any of them will work with the passworded key.
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20:35.23DanDarejhutchins, yeah thats what I must discover I think... Been reading about nautilus but didnt tried.. was not looking for a file manager but a sftp client.
20:35.24jhutchinsDanDare: http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/applications/8-of-the-best-linux-ftp-clients-902168
20:35.57jhutchinsDanDare: Right, but it's built in to teh big file managers these days, it's just a question of what features it uses.
20:36.06johnkeatesgreenman: i have 'auto eht0' too
20:36.10DanDarejhutchins, right
20:36.24jhutchinsDanDare: There's fish, which is sshfs in userspace, but that's intermittently available.
20:36.37DanDareI see
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20:37.52greenmanIf I do an /etc/ini.d/networking restart, I get the same failure.  Something somewhere is passing an option to dhclient
20:37.58greenmanand dhclient doesn't like it
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20:38.21aphoriseCan I emulate or somehow cause a process to crash? - looking for a way to abnormally end a process preventing it from getting its chance to execute its destructor methods / stuff.
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20:39.27greenmanIt's gotta be in the ifdown ifup scripts themselves...
20:39.32DanDarejhutchins, reading that dolhpin will accept private keys (passworded). So I guess my best bet atm
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20:40.01greenmanaaaand it's a binary :P
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20:40.05greenmancrap
20:40.15jubo2Hippies!
20:40.18jubo2Yes!!
20:40.22jhutchinsgreenman: Check /etc/network/interfaces
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20:40.27johnkeateshe did
20:40.47jhutchinsgreenman: Check for network-manager and wicd.
20:41.30greenmannothing there
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20:41.40greenmanjust
20:41.48greenmanallow-hotplug eth0
20:41.48greenmanauto eth0
20:41.50greenmaniface eth0 inet dhcp
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20:43.20frikinzcould it be that you have ifupdown and dhclient from different releases?
20:43.50greenmanfrikinz: anything is possible, but they should be all up to day
20:43.51greenmaner
20:43.52greenmandate
20:44.36greenmanI ran dist-upgrade and got this:  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
20:45.24greenmanIf I remove ifupdown and dhclient, will I still have the internet connection to install them back?
20:45.48frikinzYou could replace /sbin/dhclient by your own script that prints $* to a file to see what ifup tries to execute
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20:51.04greenmanfrikinz: it tries to pass a bunch of optiosn
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20:51.42greenmanhttp://imgur.com/EPyeTE5
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20:54.43frikinzgreenman: what does dhclient -v eth0 says?
20:55.19paraketehi guys, i hvae this wifi usb https://sp.yimg.com/xj/th?id=OIP.M98f60dde55b6fa1ca7a72ecc8e69b53co0&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300 and debian is not recognizing it
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20:56.09greenmanfrikinz: it says that's not a valid option
20:56.23greenmanfrikinz: I tried uninstalling and re-installing ifupdown to no avail
20:56.31kydlehello, my wireless adapter needs nonfree firmware. I installed the package firmware-linux-nonfree, which supposedly should have the driver, but when I try to connect it still says firmware missing
20:56.32greenmanI guess I could do the same to dhclient
20:57.36frikinzgreenman: -v is valid on recent dhclient. so it could be too recent ifupdown or a too old dhclient :)
20:58.13greenmanokay so I just tried to update dhclient but it's saying there is no package
20:58.18greenmanwhat provides dhclient?
20:58.46kydlewhen I was installing, it mentioned the need for a file named something like brcm bcm43xx-0.fw
20:59.07frikinzgreenman: dpkg -S /sbin/dhclient
20:59.13squinty!wifi | kydle
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20:59.41kydle!wifi
20:59.42dpkgSupport for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within.  Don't know what you have?  Ask me about <what's my wireless>.  Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>.  See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>.  http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
21:00.06kydle!wifi broadcom
21:00.37kydle!broadcom
21:00.38dpkgBroadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier.  For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcmsmac>, <rndis_wlan>, <wl>.  For Ethernet controller support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>.
21:00.47kydle!b43
21:00.47dpkgb43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips.  Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide.  http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx  #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net.  For BCM4313/43224/43225 device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>.  For support of the BCM4306 rev 2 and 802.11b-only devices, ask me about <b43legacy>.
21:00.48greenmanfrikinz: hmm..  I think I might know what's going on.  I noticed in sbin that there is a dhclient and a dhclient3
21:00.58greenmanI'm thinking it's still using dhclient instead of 3
21:01.02kydlethanks squinty
21:01.05kydle:)
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21:01.14greenmanshould I uninstall dhclient and run with 3?
21:01.17squintyyw
21:01.27greenmanor just try an uninstall reinstall of 3?
21:01.35greenmandev-ldap2:/sbin# aptitude search dhcp | grep client
21:01.35greenmanv   dhcp-client                     -
21:01.36greenmani   dhcp3-client                    - DHCP client
21:01.46greenmannot sure what v meants
21:01.58kydle!b43-fwcutter
21:01.58dpkgDevice firmware required by the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers is proprietary and unable to be distributed by the Debian Project.  The b43-fwcutter utility (packaged in contrib) can extract this firmware from Broadcom's binary drivers.  Debian packages to download, extract and install firmware are available; ask me about <contrib> and use «apt-cache search firmware-b43» to list.  http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy
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21:03.57greenmanIt means virtual package, okay not sure what that means
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21:06.24greenmanwoohoo
21:06.25greenmanfixed it
21:06.43greenmanI uinstalled and reinstalled the dhcp3-client package
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21:25.17jhutchinsgreenman: Sorry to be in and out, real life.  You shouldn't have both auto and allow-hotplug.
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21:26.12greenmanjhutchins: product of the upgrades, I guess.   Though that wasn't the problem.  :)
21:26.15greenmanIt's working now
21:26.18darsiehi
21:26.21greenmanNow I'm going to 8
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21:35.16jhutchinsgreenman: You might want to seriously consider taking the steps to preserve init rather than goign to systemd on a prod server.
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21:36.11jhutchinsgreenman: A virtual package is not an actual package, but has a dependency that points to another package or packages.
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21:37.04jhutchinsgreenman: They're often used to transition from say dhcp(1,2) to dhcp3, or to pull in a group of packages that aren't significant enough to be a task.  The components can often be uninstalled separately.
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21:38.36greenmanjhutchins: well, it's okay if systemd works, right?
21:38.43greenmanalso, tomorrow is my last day.  ;)
21:39.31frikinznice task to upgrade from one release to another for a last day :)
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21:39.52frikinzgoing to 8 led me to my second full reinstall in like 10years btw
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21:43.16greenmanfrikinz: yeah I proposed to do a full reinstall but they wouldn't let me so, I'm upgrading
21:43.26greenmanthis has taken like two months to update dev
21:43.38greenmanwould have been maaaaaybe a month to just reinstall
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21:45.13frikinzwell, that might have been specific to my machine. all my other numerous upgrade went very well
21:45.52greenmanI've had problems upgrading on every system I've upgraded
21:46.08greenmanof course they have everything custom so...
21:47.10blaAny idea why schroot might not mount /proc, /sys on jessie?
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21:51.55zophyis there a debian distro for android phones ?
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21:54.03greenmanzophy: why would you do such a thing?!
21:54.14greenmankidding, I thought I heard about one a while back, do a quick google.
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21:54.44greenmanzophy: https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile/
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21:59.47frikinzzophy: which phone do you own?
22:00.21teraflopszophy: nope
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22:03.17DrOwlHi All... Say some idiot had deleted the partisions on his primary drive instaed of the USB stick he ment to, is there some way they could be recreated
22:03.48centrxAre you the idiot?
22:03.49rainfyregparted
22:03.55rainfyreno, he's asking for a friend
22:03.58rainfyresheesh
22:04.04DrOwlya totally for a friend
22:04.10teraflopscentrx: it doesn't matter
22:04.31zinxgpart*
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22:04.57DrOwlok i use gparted to delete the partisions...
22:05.05DrOwl^used
22:05.06zinxgparted is not gpart
22:05.08rainfyrewell, gparted can be your friend too
22:05.33DrOwlis there some way i can see where hte partisions were before?
22:05.39zinxgpart.
22:06.22rainfyrewowsers. never heard of gpart before. that looks slick
22:06.49DrOwlok i just installed gpart
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22:08.13DrOwljust to make it more fun, boot still exists, and the main partioion is and encripted one
22:08.23DrOwland lvm too
22:08.45DrOwlof course lvm is only inside the encription =)
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22:11.36DrOwlwell gpart is running... lets see what it says
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22:23.41DrOwlthats for the sugestion, looks like it may take a while... also luks isnt lited as a part type
22:24.05DrOwlbut it may fint the one after that, so ill just make one between then =)
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22:25.12paxcoderI'm failing to boot Debian live from USB in qemu via /dev/sdX, I can only do it via /dev/sdXN. What do I need to do?
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22:27.27paxcodertrying to boot from /dev/sdX hangs at "Booting from Hard Disk...", but I get no error.
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22:29.38gzcwnkanyone any godo with apache config?
22:29.45paxcoderShould i overwrite the mbr? I don't understand why it's hanging.
22:29.46gzcwnkie getting sites running?
22:29.53paxcodergzcwnk: people at #httpd probably
22:30.26gzcwnkseem asleep and its debian / rasperbian so there might be a distro specific issue
22:31.06gzcwnkim getting a 403 forbidden
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22:31.43paxcoderdoubt it
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22:34.09Guest30016when i shutdown via gui button in xfce i go to sign in graphic. Only way i can shutdown is via terminal 'shutdown -h now'. Can i program gui button to run script with this in it
22:34.30gzcwnkhmm ok...its running on localhost/munin buut not its ip/munin
22:34.55gzcwnko that points to apache2 then
22:35.33paxcoderGuest30016: you're using xinit, right?
22:36.27Guest30016unknown just installed via usb installer no mods
22:36.37cxd13whats the correct way to install python modules in debian. pip? the one i want is only in testing and unstable
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22:41.14paxcodercxd13: you could look up pinning (which allows you to intall packages from other flavors) although if you're using Debian for desktop, I wouldn't recommend stable at all.
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22:42.34paxcoderGuest30016: idk why lxde fails to shut down (happened to me with xinit), but you could easily add a button
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22:42.56cxd13paxcoder: stable gets quick security fixes. i dont know how important that is for a desktop but i don't want to be vulnerable to anything that i don't need to be
22:44.29paxcodercxd13: if you think that's worth the cost *shrugs*
22:44.35teraflopscxd13: or you can backport it, if it's possible or just tell pip --user instead of doing things that are highly arguable at least in a debian stable support channel
22:44.40Guest30016paxcoder: ta will do that
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22:45.16jhutchinsgreenman: I just woultn't do systemd on a production system yet.  Too many problems.  Too little knowledge of how to solve them.
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22:48.18aphoriseIs there a way I can have my terminal session do CR+LF in place of LF for a particular screen session?
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22:48.35aphorisefor keyboard input that is.
22:48.43jhutchinsaphorise: Why?
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22:49.09paxcoderUpdate on my booting from sdX (as opposed to sdXN) issue: I've done install-mbr on the stick, and got "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt".
22:49.38aphoriseIs for a system that requires it & I'm wondering if its equally possible with just CR for example or any other combo.
22:49.42paxcoderSorry, I've got "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt" after trying to boot from it subsequently.
22:50.09jhutchinsaphorise: You'll have to explain a lot better.  Tell us what you're really trying to do, not how you think you should do it.
22:51.58aphoriseI have a telnet session / a device onto which I'm trying to write do IO which I'm doing via screen - for that particular enviroment I'd like to know if such adjustments to input are possible.
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22:56.24jhutchinsaphorise: Is this something like a cisco router that wouldn't have full termcap ability?
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23:04.08paxcoderOk, so the hybrid .iso seems to pack a mbr with it. Since I dd'd to /dev/sdb2, not /dev/sdb I guess it's not in the right place. I don't know why install-mbr cannot recreate the correct mbr. Copying 512 bytes (1st sector with the mbr) to sda from sda2 would be futile (the offset would be wrong). What do I do?
23:05.22paxcoderMaybe I should explain what I'm trying to do: I'm trying to have debian on sda2 rather than sda1, so that sda1 can be a WindowsXP-readable FAT partition.
23:05.53darsieHmm, I could try 32 bit jessie.
23:05.57paxcoderI was able to do that before hybrid .iso's
23:06.20paxcoders/sda/sdb/g
23:07.02aphorisejhutchins yes indeed very much.
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23:09.10paxcoderwas entertained by aphorise's answer enough to imagine a personality-augmentation program which autocompletes eg. "yes" with phrases "yes indeed very much", "yes, quite so", "yes, you are correct!" and other such sentences
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23:17.35paxcoderI could dd the hybrid iso to sda1, and then format sda1 after installing to sda2. But that's not elegant. I wonder how I used to do it before hybrid images... I don't suppose anyone's still got the link?
23:17.59paxcoders/sda/sdb/g again
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23:18.20shawn1That will work you can dd a hybrid ISO to a hdd
23:18.24shawn1I have done it before
23:18.32shawn1I've even done it recursively
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23:19.36paxcodershawn1: To bring you up to speed, I am trying to install Debian on the 2nd(!) partition on a usb stick
23:19.45shawn1i.e. dd a supergrub2disk to hdd to chain boot off a USB and then use that USB to install Linux to the hdd grub ISO was flashed to
23:20.44shawn1Oh well you can't put the hybridiso on a partition. You could put it in a filesystem (as a file) and then loop boot with grub
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23:21.30shawn1!tias
23:21.31dpkgTIAS is "Try It And See".
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23:22.12paxcodershawn1: i dd'd the hybrid to sdb2, and qemu can boot it there, but not from sdb (no number), despite me mbr-install'ing.
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23:29.14paxcoderlilo -M yields the same result as mbr-install. Hope I won't need to resort to mbr hackery.
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23:47.59paxcodereh, even if i made the effort to find cylinders/heads for partitions, i reckon i'd just get the same result. i'll just dd to sda1 first, then install to sda2, then make sda1 fat
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