| 00:00.03 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: it'd be a debconf bug in such a case, most likely |
| 00:00.04 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: Yah. But I can't just wait for the next apache upgrade. |
| 00:00.25 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: I need a way to reproduce the problem. |
| 00:00.28 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: install the old package from /var/cache/apt/archives or snapshot.debian.org? |
| 00:00.35 | Hydroxide | and then re-upgrade? |
| 00:01.07 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: That sounds plausable. (Good thing apache's not doing anything important. :-) |
| 00:01.32 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: heh :) also, are you sure the interactive prompt is from debconf and not from something else? did it look like a normal debconf prompt? |
| 00:02.01 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: What do I do to get the old version installed, get the .deb from the archive and install it with deb? |
| 00:02.07 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: but, the debconf package is more likely the right place for your bug than the aptitude package. glad you reported it though! there might be a bug somewhere indeed. |
| 00:02.33 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: Yes, it looked like regular debconf. I was running it via cron. |
| 00:02.36 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: installing with dpkg -i should work, sure. it might not be a perfect example since the debconf database might reflect the current situation and not the past situation |
| 00:03.00 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: ah. if you're tring for automated upgrades via cron, consider using the unattended-upgrades package instead of rolling your own. but indeed, it ought to work. |
| 00:03.07 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: If it makes it happen again I'll be happy. |
| 00:03.25 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: Yah. I rolled my own before unattended-upgrades and haven't wanted to switch. |
| 00:03.43 | Hydroxide | you can also take a look at the logic in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<packagename>.* (especially .postinst and .config) |
| 00:04.02 | Hydroxide | unattended-upgrades has existed at least since squeeze, if not longer |
| 00:04.06 | Hydroxide | but, sure |
| 00:04.33 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: I'm using aptitude for my upgrade processs, with and relying on it's "hold" mechanisim, and haven't wanted to figure out the interactions with unattended-upgrade. |
| 00:04.36 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: as one example of how such a thing can go haywire: http://blog.steve.org.uk/the_jessie_8.html |
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| 00:05.17 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: Yah, since before squeeze. |
| 00:05.41 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: ah yeah. unattended-upgrades probably uses apt-get rather than aptitude, which relies on holds at the dpkg level rather than a separate database. you can tell dpkg about holds if you use something like: echo "<packagename hold>" | dpkg --set-selections (there might be a nicer way to do it) |
| 00:06.00 | Hydroxide | I thought there was syncing between the two in recent versions, but I'm also not sure of the full details. |
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| 00:06.11 | Hydroxide | I don't think dpkg or apt has anything like aptitude's forbid-versions feature though. |
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| 00:06.59 | Hydroxide | err, I messed up my example. I mean "<packagename> hold", like "apache2 hold" |
| 00:07.07 | Hydroxide | and replace hold with install to undo |
| 00:07.14 | Hydroxide | dpkg --get-selections | grep packagename is good for checking status |
| 00:07.14 | dpkg | selects hydroxide's ultra-s3kr3t collection |
| 00:07.22 | Hydroxide | thanks dpkg :D |
| 00:08.41 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: thanks for doing the bug report and some of the debugging work! I'm sure if you come up with a good reproducible test case and follow through with the bug tracking system, this can be fixed in debian proper, whether the fault is in aptitude, dpkg, or a specific package. depending on severity it may be fixed in jessie or only in stretch with a recommended workaround for jessie. |
| 00:08.49 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: I avoid automatically updating point releases, just do security updates. |
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| 00:09.29 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: I like to send in bug reports, even without fixes. I figure it's some payback for all the work others do. |
| 00:10.03 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: so that's basically what you'll get if you update frequently and only have security.debian.org in your sources.list when running the upgrade. makes sense. (and I think unattended-upgrades supports that too.) though any fix to jessie would probably go into a point release rather than a security update. |
| 00:10.15 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: glad you want to give back. it's appreciated! |
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| 00:10.46 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: At least with FOSS bug reports are often rewarded with fixes. :-) |
| 00:11.08 | Hydroxide | true :) |
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| 00:12.01 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: Trying to sync aptitude and apt-get's hold mechanism manually would make me cranky. Better to fix it universally. I also have heard talk of some integration but have not kept up with it's status. |
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| 00:12.16 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: right, I'm definitely not advising frequent manual syncing :) |
| 00:12.40 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: though there may be a more automated way, such as by configuring apt's preferences |
| 00:12.55 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: all depends on the specifics, as usual |
| 00:12.57 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: I'll poke at getting the old apache and upgrading and see what happens. |
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| 00:13.14 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: Good idea. |
| 00:13.41 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: certainly it's flexible enough to let you say "I don't want to install a package from the main archive if it's available in any version from the security archive, but neither do I want to downgrade from installed to security" |
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| 00:14.36 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: and within stable, that might not cause too much breakage :) just be sure to upgrade often enough; packages don't stay on the security server forever, especially once folded into a stable point release or superseded by a later advisory |
| 00:14.48 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: I might have to actually learn more than I want to in order to do such a thing. ;-) |
| 00:15.03 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: man apt_preference is impressive / comprehensive :D |
| 00:15.07 | Hydroxide | err, apt_preferences |
| 00:15.13 | Hydroxide | there's also a wiki |
| 00:15.17 | Hydroxide | about apt pinning |
| 00:15.26 | Hydroxide | I think some degree of change is coming for stretch but I don't know the specifics |
| 00:15.38 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: What I really do is only upgrade some packages, like the kernel and glibc, when I'm in a position to reboot so that they then take effect. |
| 00:15.46 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: sure, that makes sense |
| 00:16.28 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: I think unattended-upgrades lets you specify such things. |
| 00:17.10 | Hydroxide | but I admit I'm not sure, and have to go now. ttyl and good luck! |
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| 00:35.42 | Brigo | Coca, you will need something like this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/278863/how-do-i-set-up-a-background-image-for-console-in-ubuntu |
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| 00:37.00 | Coca | Brigo: Will I need to run a GUI |
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| 00:37.29 | Brigo | Coca, i don't think so. |
| 00:37.58 | Coca | Brigo: I will try it on a Virtual Machine First |
| 00:38.11 | Brigo | Coca, good idea. |
| 00:38.55 | Coca | Thank you Brigo for the link |
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| 01:19.42 | ahmetalpbalkan | Hi, I'm trying to update the kernel, I did: "apt-get install linux-image-3.19.0-26-generic" and had to update /boot/grub/menu.lst manually (because it said it did but it was still the old version) |
| 01:19.59 | ahmetalpbalkan | I rebooted yet it still picks up the old kernel version (3.5.0-17-generic) for some reason |
| 01:20.03 | ahmetalpbalkan | any ideas why this might be happening? |
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| 01:20.58 | abrotman | ahmetalpbalkan: you should use #ubuntu |
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| 01:21.07 | ahmetalpbalkan | ah okay |
| 01:21.15 | ahmetalpbalkan | sorry about that |
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| 01:29.20 | Coca | I am using http://askubuntu.com/questions/278863/how-do-i-set-up-a-background-image-for-console-in-ubuntu to try getting a Picture as a background in the Command line interface but It wont allow me to install libungif libjpeg and libpng |
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| 01:31.13 | Coca | I also have this link https://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/fbterm-birth-of-the-cool-for-the-console/ but I am still having a difficult time putting FramebufferViewer on |
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| 01:31.41 | abrotman | 2010? really? |
| 01:31.55 | dmbaturin | Hi everyone! With multiarch libs, what is the correct way to specify the header path for CFLAGS in automake? |
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| 01:33.44 | Coca | abrotman: I found the link on http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=68934 |
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| 01:34.55 | themill | dmbaturin: you shouldn't need to -- the compiler knows where to look already |
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| 01:41.43 | dmbaturin | themill: Well, maybe something is wrong with my build scripts. glib.h wants glibconfig.h, which is in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h on this host, and gcc -I /usr/include/glib-2.0/ can't find it. |
| 01:41.58 | hfuller | hi all! would you recommend upgrading from debian 6 to 8, or would you recommend going to 7 in between? |
| 01:42.09 | dmbaturin | * the host runs jessie |
| 01:42.10 | thunkee | Coca: do you have a framebuffer console? |
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| 01:42.34 | Coca | thunkee: not that I know off |
| 01:42.36 | Coca | of |
| 01:43.21 | Coca | thunkee: I tried compiling framebufferViewer but I am having no luck |
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| 01:43.58 | Coca | thunkee: |
| 01:44.03 | karlpinc | hfuller: I stick with stable. Then upgrade when the new stable comes out. Others prefer to live closer to the bleeding edge. Depends on you. |
| 01:44.26 | Coca | thunkee: could I just use FBterm |
| 01:44.38 | hfuller | karlpinc, sorry, what I mean is that I have a box already on debian 6 and I want it to be on 8. then I'm going to start keeping it on stable. but I don't know, should I go to version 7 first, or should I just go directly from 6 to 8? |
| 01:44.40 | karlpinc | hfuller: But, debian is not designed to skip releases during upgrade. |
| 01:44.42 | dmbaturin | karlpinc: But is upgrading from squeeze directly to jessie _safe_? |
| 01:44.50 | hfuller | okay, that answers my question - thank you. I kinda suspected that |
| 01:45.11 | abrotman | hfuller: you must go through 7 |
| 01:45.13 | karlpinc | hfuller: Follow the release notes to upgrade each release. |
| 01:45.26 | dmbaturin | hfuller: Yeah, go through 7. And check upgrade notes carefully. |
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| 01:45.35 | hfuller | I've done many upgrades from 6 to 7 and 7 to 8, but didn't know if I could skip. thanks all |
| 01:45.42 | dmbaturin | Or simply redeploy the machine. :) |
| 01:46.38 | hfuller | if I wanted to do that, I'd be running arch, fedora, etc. :> |
| 01:46.50 | hfuller | (or sid, to be fair.) |
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| 01:48.53 | thunkee | Coca: just searching for kernel framebuffer parameters like video=<conn>:<xres>x<yres>[M][R][-<bpp>][@<refresh>][i][m][eDd] ... think thats the problem with your background |
| 01:49.59 | thunkee | Coca: btw do use nvidia prop driver? if so then you have no fb |
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| 01:51.07 | Coca | thunkee: I am running this in a VM and I got the fbv source code from the site and that is all I know |
| 01:51.51 | thunkee | Coca: you want a fancy background in a vm? :) gl |
| 01:52.09 | Coca | thunkee: As a test before I do it on my laptop |
| 01:52.41 | thunkee | Coca: vm isnt a test, vm is shitty hardware |
| 01:52.48 | Coca | thunkee: lol |
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| 01:53.48 | thunkee | Coca: why not make the laptop dual boot for testing? |
| 01:54.02 | Coca | thunkee: what all would I need for fbv to work on my laptop, I have 100 GB set aside to install Debian and on my windows partition it says I have nvidia installed |
| 01:55.08 | thunkee | Coca: the nvidia propritary driver has no fb ... nouveau has |
| 01:55.09 | Coca | thunkee: also I have another laptop I can test on so if it messes up I wont lose anything |
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| 01:56.20 | Coca | thunkee: if I have no frame buffer will this not work |
| 01:57.01 | thunkee | Coca: if you have free space on the drive the debian istaller can handle almost all ... i have a laptop with efi win10 and jessie standard installation |
| 01:57.31 | Coca | thunkee: I just checked and My laptop uses intel graphics |
| 01:57.58 | thunkee | Coca: without fb i think not ... maybe there is an other solution? |
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| 01:58.58 | thunkee | Coca: but if you have a laptop ... theres mostly a mouse so why not X and Gnome Shell ... thats pretty shiny :) |
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| 02:00.01 | Coca | thunkee: I need to get used to the command line more I have only used it a few times besides installing things with apt-get |
| 02:01.24 | Coca | how can I tell if I have fb |
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| 02:02.47 | thunkee | Coca: ok then nouveau driver, that is btw standard after install with nvidia hardware and you have fb ...and fbterm |
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| 02:04.39 | Coca | thunkee: nvidia physx is what it says I have |
| 02:04.56 | Coca | thunkee: but also says I use intel graphics |
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| 02:08.34 | Coca | The nvidia thing was installed for games thats right |
| 02:08.38 | thunkee | Coca: looks like optimus conf, then you an intel fb in console |
| 02:09.06 | Coca | thunkee: So intel has a fb |
| 02:10.33 | thunkee | Coca: im not sure, dont do any console thingy, but i think so because fb is standard with new kernels and there is a driver |
| 02:11.00 | Coca | thunkee: I have run X and gnome3 on laptop before |
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| 02:16.04 | Coca | thunkee: Once I install debian with the fb drive be installed |
| 02:16.20 | Coca | will not with my bad |
| 02:16.44 | thunkee | Coca: look at http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt for video= and See Documentation/fb/modedb.txt |
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| 02:22.14 | Coca | thunkee: When I was changing the resolution on my VM it worked and it used my video card so do that mean I have Framebuffer |
| 02:22.20 | Coca | on my laptop |
| 02:23.57 | thunkee | Coca: hmm what vm? |
| 02:25.13 | Coca | thunkee: on VMware I ran Jessie and I changed the resolution of Console |
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| 02:26.28 | thunkee | Coca: try lsmod and search for nouveau or an i* module |
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| 02:28.48 | Coca | thunkee: can I have the list be put into a text file |
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| 02:29.22 | Coca | thunkee: I answered my own question |
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| 02:30.26 | Coca | thunkee it isn't there |
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| 02:32.29 | Coca | thunkee: I found i2c_piix4 and i2c_core |
| 02:32.30 | thunkee | Coca: hmm so there is a simulated vmware graphics card mostly vmwgfx thats a svga, dont konw if theres a fb ... almost think that a vm is not a hardware testbed |
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| 02:35.48 | Coca | thunkee: I am going to test it on my laptop but do I need fbv or no |
| 02:36.16 | thunkee | Coca: if you want to have a background image you need a fb device |
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| 02:36.43 | Coca | thunkee: so yes to FramebufferViewer |
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| 02:38.34 | thunkee | Coca: dont know dont think so from short searching fbterm should be |
| 02:39.26 | Coca | thunkee: Thank you and I shall be back if I need more help |
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| 03:15.49 | hassoon | gentlemen, I ran torbrowser-launcher to get the tor browser, but i got an error with that output, any help ? http://pastebin.ca/3156423 |
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| 03:34.35 | jaccob | Hi, I have /var/www/html owned by www-data group, and I added myuser to the www-data group, but when I open files it is in read-only mode! |
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| 03:36.19 | jaccob | It is wierd cause I was able to copy a directory over to /var/www/html no problem, but now it won't let me edit them |
| 03:38.29 | jaccob | I did chmod -R a+rw ./* and now I can edit fine |
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| 03:46.22 | siradam | jaccob, you'll need to logout/login for the new group to take affect |
| 03:46.44 | siradam | your chmod command gave write access to anyone on your system. that should be undone |
| 03:46.55 | jaccob | siradam, oh, thx |
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| 03:52.34 | siradam | also, careful with wildcards while using chmod. it doesn't look like your command would cause an issue |
| 03:52.54 | siradam | but i once did a chown -R ./.* |
| 03:53.18 | siradam | the bash expansion matched with '..', and so it went up a directory and gave all the offices file permissions to a new guy |
| 03:53.20 | siradam | lesson learned |
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| 03:54.45 | phy1729 | echo first then chmod |
| 03:57.01 | siradam | un/fortunately i reacted with an strace and found a massive list of the wrong files lol |
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| 03:57.22 | siradam | then a quick bash script to fix it |
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| 03:57.53 | siradam | they haven't let me hear the last of it, though. that mistake will haunt me for awhile |
| 03:58.06 | siradam | and rightfully so |
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| 04:00.09 | pudor | where can i get schematics for my smartphone? |
| 04:01.13 | siradam | pudor, depends on the smartphone. some companies open that up, others keep it behind closed doors |
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| 04:03.29 | chozha | what is promisc mode ? |
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| 04:14.31 | siradam | chozha, that's when your network card will report all packets it sees, rather than just the ones intended for itself |
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| 04:32.08 | compa | Can I put a wallpaper in the text console using grub2 configuration files |
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| 04:35.23 | compa | I know I can do it using fbterm but I having a difficutl timing using fbterm. I don't know how to set the background using it, and I have the picture on a usb drive but I can't find the usb drive |
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| 04:49.39 | TheCh0lbs | /!\ WARNING: CHILD MOLESTER KUNWON1 HAS BEEN DETECTED /!\ |
| 04:49.39 | TheCh0lbs | /!\ WARNING: CHILD MOLESTER KUNWON1 IS IN YOUR VICINITY /!\ |
| 04:49.39 | TheCh0lbs | /!\ WARNING: CHILD MOLESTER KUNWON1 WILL TOUCH YOUR DAUGHTERS WITH HIS :) /!\ |
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| 04:58.42 | chozha | siradam: okay sir |
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| 05:09.17 | Coca | I tried using fbterm to set a wallpaper in the CLI but I am having a very difficult setting the wallpaper and I can't find my flash drive |
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| 05:14.33 | Coca | Are there any alternatives to setting a image a the background in the CLI in jessie |
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| 05:16.11 | nkuttler | Coca: i use feh |
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| 05:17.15 | Coca | will feh work when X isnt running |
| 05:17.47 | nkuttler | framebuffer background? |
| 05:18.02 | nkuttler | no idea about that |
| 05:18.09 | nkuttler | unlikely |
| 05:19.32 | Coca | nkuttler: I tried using fbterm but I cant find locate my Flash drive with the picture |
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| 05:53.54 | fps | hi, i'm trying to build the opencv2.4.9 source package here to use more agressive optimizations, disable TBB and openmp |
| 05:54.07 | fps | which i suppose i get done.. but i wonder where the nonfree module has gone :) |
| 05:54.23 | fps | well, it's debian, so it's probably not included anymore? |
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| 06:21.17 | no_gravity | When using a touchscreen without real buttons, do you install anything to make drag and drop while "pressing" a button works? |
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| 06:22.25 | DominikB | no_gravity, which button you will press when no buttons are present or you mean a virtual button |
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| 06:26.09 | no_gravity | DominikB: its a so called clickpad. the trackpad can be clicked, but there are no real buttons. |
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| 06:37.20 | DominikB | no_gravity, ok i understand :D |
| 06:37.49 | DominikB | no_gravity, can you check which keycode the trackpad send |
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| 06:39.20 | no_gravity | how do i do that<Ã |
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| 06:39.33 | no_gravity | s/<Ã/? :) |
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| 06:40.04 | DominikB | no_gravity, xev |
| 06:40.51 | no_gravity | i looks like i found some info online how to deal with it via the xorg conf |
| 06:41.08 | DominikB | ok |
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| 07:10.06 | jwd | http://github.com/debops and/or http://debops.org |
| 07:10.19 | jwd | ups wrong channel |
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| 07:34.37 | chozha | *!*@lns-bzn-43-82-249-139-247.adsl.proxad.net$##not-a-honeypot |
| 07:34.55 | chozha | jelly: do you have experience with puppet ? |
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| 07:35.20 | jelly | !ask |
| 07:35.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 07:36.02 | jelly | chozha: please avoid highlighting one person, ask the channel |
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| 07:36.13 | chozha | any one having experience in setting up puppet in debian |
| 07:36.20 | chozha | jelly: understood |
| 07:36.48 | jelly | "Don't ask [...] if anyone uses it" either |
| 07:37.07 | chozha | O.o |
| 07:37.23 | jelly | ask the real question. Then see if anyone answers. |
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| 07:37.56 | DominikB | did anyone know how long the gcc 4 => transtion takes i rather not reinstall my whole system when hust few libs are not ready |
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| 07:38.23 | chozha | i want to set up stand alone puppet for my debian box . for testing configuration management ? help please |
| 07:38.56 | DominikB | chozha, maybe you are better suited in #puppet |
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| 07:39.40 | chozha | DominikB: dey replying to experts question only , ignoring noobs |
| 07:39.43 | jelly | DominikB: gcc-5 transition is only happening in testing and unstable |
| 07:40.17 | DominikB | jelly, yeah i have some testing boxes running and so just out of curiosity |
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| 07:41.04 | DominikB | jelly, or is here debian stable only? |
| 07:41.14 | jelly | DominikB: it's pretty much stable and older, yes |
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| 07:41.19 | jelly | !debian-next |
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| 07:41.20 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. |
| 07:41.37 | DominikB | ok thx |
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| 07:52.18 | guigeek | Hi |
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| 07:53.23 | guigeek | hi a problem with confmodule |
| 07:53.54 | Pawky | where do I remove so a login will not show the equivalent of uname -a ? |
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| 07:54.26 | DominikB | n |
| 07:55.34 | Pawky | maybe I am a bit vague... when login in you will se a string equivalent to uname -n'. the pupils are to figure out this by themselveves hence I need to dissable this info at login |
| 07:55.55 | Pawky | (uname -a) |
| 07:56.00 | DominikB | Pawky, on ssh login ? |
| 07:56.08 | Pawky | nope, on the machine |
| 07:56.11 | Pawky | terminal |
| 07:56.36 | DominikB | ok |
| 07:56.40 | Pawky | i removed the info in /etc/motd but havent figured out where it gets the other stuff from yet |
| 07:56.42 | chozha | guigeek: hi |
| 07:57.04 | chozha | guigeek: help me in desktop customiation |
| 07:57.18 | guigeek | which desktop ? |
| 07:57.24 | chozha | gnome3 |
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| 07:57.45 | guigeek | im sorry i used awesome i know nothing about gnome3 |
| 07:58.06 | chozha | how do i use awesome with Gnome3 |
| 07:58.15 | Pawky | duh? |
| 07:58.16 | guigeek | you can't |
| 07:58.19 | Pawky | :-D |
| 07:58.31 | chozha | guigeek: show me a snap of your desktop ? |
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| 07:59.25 | msn | desktop customization is a slow process unless you know exactly what you want, its not the looks but the ease of use that matters too |
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| 07:59.39 | msn | still getting used to plasma 5 |
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| 08:00.49 | chozha | guigeek: http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Quickly_Setting_up_Awesome_with_Gnome |
| 08:00.55 | civillian | ugh I'm having issues setting up nfs-kernel-server on jessie, I've done this a thousand times before. showmount tells me: clnt_create: RPC: Program not registered |
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| 08:01.15 | msn | civillian: rpcbind is not running |
| 08:01.22 | msn | apt-get install rpcbind |
| 08:01.24 | Alcapote | Hi, I have a a problem with ceph-deploy in Jessie, when I execute this command, it tries to connect on http://ceph.com/packages/ceph-extras/debian/dists/ , the problem is in the repository Jessie does not exist. :( Do you have any idea please ? |
| 08:01.27 | civillian | msantana: it's on there |
| 08:01.30 | msn | systemctl start rpcbind |
| 08:01.34 | bezaban | promotes i3 for usability |
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| 08:01.49 | chozha | msn :o |
| 08:01.52 | msn | can you rpcinfo? |
| 08:01.59 | msn | rpcinfo -p ? |
| 08:02.06 | civillian | msn: yep |
| 08:02.10 | civillian | uhh one sec |
| 08:02.13 | msn | if that fails rpcbind is not running |
| 08:02.19 | civillian | both work |
| 08:02.28 | civillian | the service is loaded active running |
| 08:02.30 | msn | is it running on clinet side? |
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| 08:02.44 | DominikB | Pawky, this is mostly comming from bash |
| 08:02.44 | msn | rpcbind and nfs-common in installed and running? |
| 08:02.45 | civillian | for testing I'm just trying to connect locally |
| 08:03.11 | msn | does rpcinfo -p show nfs values? |
| 08:03.14 | civillian | nfs-common is there and running |
| 08:03.17 | chozha | guigeek: is there any live debian cd comming with awesome ? |
| 08:03.40 | guigeek | nop |
| 08:03.45 | civillian | msn: yep 8 services, 6 portmapper and 2 status |
| 08:04.02 | msn | how did you configure your exports? |
| 08:04.08 | civillian | like nfsv3 |
| 08:04.13 | civillian | /mnt/usb *(ro,no_subtree_check,no_root_squash) |
| 08:04.31 | msn | hmm did you configure that in /etc/default/nfs-common ? |
| 08:04.46 | civillian | no just /etc/exports |
| 08:04.48 | msn | i thnk statd has to be enabled in there |
| 08:04.56 | msn | check /etc/default/nfs-common |
| 08:04.59 | msn | enable statd |
| 08:05.01 | civillian | NEED_STATD= |
| 08:05.05 | civillian | oh gawd |
| 08:05.05 | msn | yes |
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| 08:06.02 | msn | hopefully that fixes your problem |
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| 08:06.09 | civillian | checking now |
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| 08:06.28 | civillian | working |
| 08:06.34 | civillian | hands msn a cookie |
| 08:06.34 | msn | try to use nfs 4 would be better even without kerberos |
| 08:06.42 | msn | thanks |
| 08:06.45 | civillian | :) |
| 08:07.20 | DominikB | ls |
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| 08:11.05 | Pawky | DominikB: I assume it does, but I haven't found anything in bash.bashrc or any other place :-/ |
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| 08:17.05 | shay_shay | Pawky: sshd_config |
| 08:17.19 | shay_shay | Change the setting PrintLastLog to "no |
| 08:17.22 | shay_shay | " |
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| 08:17.34 | Pawky | shay_shay: but its on the console.. :-/ |
| 08:17.45 | Pawky | it gives the kernel info which i do not want.. :-( |
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| 08:18.19 | x86_64 | hello |
| 08:18.37 | shay_shay | Pawky: try zsh or fish |
| 08:18.49 | shay_shay | that will solve your problem :) |
| 08:19.12 | Pawky | shay_shay: ehh.. but I am not using any ssh.... i am just login into the console.. |
| 08:20.06 | Pawky | all I want is no kernel info when login into the console |
| 08:20.13 | x86_64 | i wanna create a user account for someone, but how can i set the password as a hash (sha512 prefered) instead of typing the password RAW? |
| 08:20.37 | shay_shay | Pawky: maybe its in systemd getty settings |
| 08:20.42 | x86_64 | also, how can i set the disk quota of the user account? |
| 08:22.09 | Krakakanok | Pawky https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Silent_boot_%28Espa%C3%B1ol%29 |
| 08:22.48 | DominikB | Pawky, http://ask.xmodulo.com/display-change-welcome-message-linux-terminal.html |
| 08:23.30 | revision | Krakakanok: Booting is not related to logging in. |
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| 08:23.52 | Krakakanok | i dont read well revision |
| 08:24.24 | revision | I also experience the 'uname' info on console login on Debian 8, it does not go away with hushlogin. |
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| 08:24.36 | revision | DominikB: That describes how to add messages, not remove the uname info. |
| 08:24.50 | DominikB | revision, yeah wrong bookmark i gues :D |
| 08:25.06 | DominikB | but my suspicion is thats in /etc/bash_profile |
| 08:25.39 | babilen | dpkg: motd |
| 08:25.39 | dpkg | The "Message Of The Day" (MOTD) may be shown to users at login time. In Debian 8 "Jessie", motd is entirely under the control of the administrator; edit /etc/motd as desired. For login(1), pam will prepend uname; customise that in /etc/pam.d/login. For ssh, /run/motd.dynamic is used with sysvinit and nothing is used with systemd; customise that in /etc/init.d/motd. See "man 5 motd" http://deb.li/3WLLd |
| 08:25.47 | babilen | ^^^ note the bit about pam |
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| 08:26.15 | revision | There it is! |
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| 08:27.06 | revision | That should really honor .hushlogin |
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| 09:01.08 | DominikB | hello bstarek__ |
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| 09:15.17 | Vladimirski | How do I check what memory I have in the server so I know what to buy? |
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| 09:36.19 | jim87 | hello! I have to change the network settings of a server running Jessie. I thus change the files in /etc/network/interfaces.d - what I'm missing is: how can I force the network to restart? I tried restarting the network service, but it seems not to be enough... maybe I'd restart wicd, too? |
| 09:37.31 | jelly | jim87: ifdown interface-name and ifup interface-name |
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| 09:37.39 | jim87 | jelly: thanks :) |
| 09:37.51 | jelly | hope you have console access ;-) |
| 09:38.19 | jim87 | jelly: yep not a problem, it's connected to kb + monitor right now :) |
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| 09:40.34 | linnooby | can someone help me to set default sound card? |
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| 09:42.01 | markybob | linnooby, probably the easiest way is to install pavucontrol |
| 09:42.23 | linnooby | markybob, what is the pavucontrol? |
| 09:42.29 | markybob | linnooby, it'll ask for an output device (and levels) |
| 09:42.44 | markybob | linnooby, a sound control thingy... :P |
| 09:42.45 | linnooby | markybob, i will check now this |
| 09:43.24 | linnooby | markybob, yes oh sorry i know now what is the pavucontrol but.. i need to configure alsamixer to show me default sound card |
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| 09:44.20 | linnooby | markybob, when i run alsamixer via terminal i get 0 loopback and second card wich i want to use is 1 sb live |
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| 09:45.02 | linnooby | i googled and i dont have file in /etc/alsa-conf or something |
| 09:45.03 | bstarek__ | hell |
| 09:45.05 | bstarek__ | o |
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| 09:45.09 | bstarek__ | win 3 |
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| 09:52.22 | Salambo | Hello, let say I downloaded a third party software, where should I install it? |
| 09:52.45 | Salambo | should I put it in /opt/bin, /usr/local/bin or even ~/bin? |
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| 09:55.21 | DominikB | Salambo, it depends |
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| 10:03.27 | Salambo | DominikB: depends on what? |
| 10:03.38 | DominikB | where you wana store it |
| 10:03.55 | DominikB | i usaly put everything 3rd party in /opt |
| 10:04.09 | RoyK | DominikB: nothing's really standard, but *I* usually put those things under /opt |
| 10:04.25 | RoyK | DominikB: the important thing is to standardise your own environment |
| 10:04.34 | DominikB | RoyK, ? |
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| 10:12.01 | Salambo | got it |
| 10:12.02 | Salambo | thx guy |
| 10:12.04 | Salambo | s |
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| 10:13.01 | yei | hi |
| 10:13.01 | DominikB | RoyK, i'm shiure there is a open/freedesktop spec which goes where |
| 10:13.10 | RoyK | DominikB: I'm just saying if you usually put things under /opt, don't put 3rd party things under /srv and under /usr/local and /morethirdpartystuff - keep to one place for aliens in your environment ;) |
| 10:13.21 | RoyK | !lsb |
| 10:13.21 | dpkg | Linux Standard Base is a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/lsb . See also <lsb tags>, <fancytty>. |
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| 10:14.01 | DominikB | RoyK, i knew that i'm not new to this stuff |
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| 10:14.52 | RoyK | DominikB: it doesn't matter, really, just put it whereever you like, it'll work, but use the same place on all your servers :P |
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| 10:15.16 | DominikB | RoyK, yep i know that fact :D |
| 10:15.39 | DominikB | thanks for reashure my idea |
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| 10:34.56 | Salambo | I prefer to put my stuff in ~/bin since I don't need sudo to use them |
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| 10:37.25 | at0m | Salambo: you can put them anywhere, sudo or not, just put it in your $PATH |
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| 10:44.39 | Salambo | alright |
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| 10:58.04 | Yolarina | Hi. I am attempting to set up an NFS server and am following the instructions at https://wiki.debian.org/NFSServerSetup -- however, /etc/init.d/portmap doesn't exist on my system, and there's no service named portmap.service installed. |
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| 11:08.16 | ChrisH | Yolarina: is package rpcbind installed? |
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| 11:17.11 | jelly | ,v portmap |
| 11:17.12 | judd | Package: portmap on amd64 -- squeeze: 6.0.0-2 |
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| 11:18.43 | Beliq | hello folks |
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| 11:19.48 | Beliq | My hosting provider recently changed their VPS service, double the performance and significantly cheaper. However, they still charge me for their old service. Didn't automatically scale me up nor offered transition. I am right to be disappointed ? |
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| 11:20.43 | petn-randall | Beliq: This is off-topic, but you're still getting what you paid for, right? |
| 11:21.11 | Beliq | I do. |
| 11:21.59 | Beliq | sorry if it is off-topic, not sure where to ask. My lovely little debian is at stake. |
| 11:23.01 | petn-randall | Beliq: Then ask them how much it costs to change to the new service. |
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| 11:24.04 | msn | crate a ticket fo cancelling and recreating your vps under new plan |
| 11:24.08 | msn | that should fix it |
| 11:24.28 | bezaban | ot, that's in line with my encounters of renting servers, the migration is the tricky part, but you can just restore the important stuff from backup |
| 11:24.32 | Beliq | well, that would change my ip :( |
| 11:25.28 | msn | if you put a request to migrate to new plan that should work just fine |
| 11:25.38 | msn | unless you bought the VPN under a special plan |
| 11:25.44 | jwd | Beliq. ask yourself why they should remodel existing setups when they add other services. do you get a new car model when the car company brings new models to the market? |
| 11:25.46 | bezaban | sometimes it too can be moved, I have had that done. If not there shouldn't be much relying on IP if it's designed alright, update DNS and notify partners that might have egress filtering |
| 11:26.31 | jwd | backup your debian box, get a new one and reinstall it all again |
| 11:26.50 | hstl | Hi all! My grub is erased (thanks to windows!). How can i fix it? Sda1 is /boot, sda2 is / (encrypted by luks). So how can i mount sda2? Cru |
| 11:27.08 | jwd | hstl you could boot with a live cd and recreate it |
| 11:27.09 | hstl | Cryptsetup luksopen.... |
| 11:27.23 | hstl | jwd, i know! |
| 11:28.19 | jelly | jwd: if you know, what seems to be the problem? |
| 11:28.20 | bezaban | yeah, boot with live CD, cryptsetup, vgchange -ay, mount lvm volumes, chroot in, run grub-install |
| 11:28.26 | jelly | hstl: ^^ |
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| 11:29.00 | hstl | bezaban, ok. But idk how to do it. But thanks for instructions |
| 11:30.07 | bezaban | it's a little tricky, that is a general overview |
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| 11:30.37 | hstl | Cryptsetup luksopen /dev/sda2? Does not work |
| 11:31.37 | hstl | Bezaban |
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| 11:32.33 | hstl | bezaban, sorry |
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| 11:33.06 | bezaban | hstl: 'doesn't work' is not a good description of the problem you are experiencing. The correct syntax is cryptsetup luksOpen <device> <mapping> |
| 11:33.51 | hstl | cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda/mapper? |
| 11:34.04 | hstl | What is mapping =(? |
| 11:34.20 | bezaban | no /dev/sda2 (if that is your luks encrypted lvm container) then chose any name for the mapping |
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| 11:34.35 | bezaban | it will appear as /dev/mapper/MAPPERNAME |
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| 11:35.12 | hstl | What exactly should i type? |
| 11:36.06 | hstl | Cryptsetup luksopen /dev/mapper/anyname does not give a result |
| 11:36.34 | bezaban | 'cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda2 recover' |
| 11:36.47 | hstl | Sorry, but i need to do it now. I dont have time to read big manuals |
| 11:37.10 | bezaban | I don't have much time to hold your hand through this either, got to install some firewalls in the dc |
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| 11:38.44 | hstl | bezaban, thanks anyway! |
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| 11:39.18 | bezaban | hstl: no problem, good luck :) |
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| 11:41.08 | hstl | Guys, what to do next? =( vgchange - ay |
| 11:41.21 | hstl | No volume groups found |
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| 11:41.32 | hstl | Need to create groups of volumes? |
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| 11:43.42 | jelly | hstl: vgchange - ay ... -ay should have no space in it |
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| 11:44.24 | jelly | hstl: pastebin the output of "lsblk" and "blkid" at present time |
| 11:44.52 | jelly | did luksOpen succeed? |
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| 11:45.10 | hstl | Ok. Jelly, idk what do you mean, but i will remeber it. Reading abou vgchange. Dont understand how i can use that and why i need it |
| 11:45.43 | hstl | jelly, i typed a password. And it seems ok. It didnt give me an naswer |
| 11:45.51 | hstl | Answer* |
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| 11:46.08 | peteroub | hi |
| 11:46.12 | jelly | !paste |
| 11:46.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 11:46.47 | jelly | hstl: run the commands "lsblk" and "blkid" and put their output into a pastebin ^^ |
| 11:48.01 | hstl | Jelly, http://postimg.org/image/9mxc0eeah/ |
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| 11:49.34 | hstl | jelly, "recover" appeared, so it worked |
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| 11:49.54 | jelly | hstl: okay. So you have a linux filesystem at /dev/mapper/recover, you can mount that directly now. You also have a secound unopened LUKS at /dev/sda5 |
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| 11:50.22 | hstl | jelly, it is /home. I dont need it, i think |
| 11:50.58 | hstl | jelly, so "mount /dev/mapper/recover /mnt"? |
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| 11:51.03 | jelly | hstl: yes |
| 11:51.36 | hstl | jelly, cool. It worked |
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| 11:54.54 | jelly | hstl: good. cat /mnt/etc/crypttab |
| 11:55.15 | hstl | grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda. Answer: grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/mapper/.. /dm-0. Check your device.map |
| 11:55.16 | jelly | to see what was the previously used name for the luks devices |
| 11:56.01 | jelly | then you'll probably have to exit the chroot, umount, close luks, reopen it with original name, and try again |
| 11:57.15 | hstl | http://postimg.org/image/yeiszmvwr/ |
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| 11:57.22 | hstl | jelly |
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| 11:58.14 | arty_knots_ | i have a serious problem with my server |
| 11:58.28 | rselon | anyone else experiencing "Remote end close connection" erors when using httpredir mirror? |
| 11:58.52 | rselon | especially while downloading a lot of packages |
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| 11:59.01 | arty_knots_ | i updated and then ssh stopped working |
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| 11:59.42 | rselon | arty_knots_: youre going to have to give more info than that |
| 11:59.48 | arty_knots_ | i can only see a blinking "_" at the middle left of the screen |
| 12:00.03 | bstarek | arty_knots_: try systemctl status ssh |
| 12:00.16 | arty_knots_ | i cant write anything |
| 12:00.21 | arty_knots_ | im gonna try recovery mode |
| 12:00.21 | bstarek | arty_knots_: and give us output |
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| 12:01.36 | arty_knots_ | wait it actually seems to boot fine on an older kernel |
| 12:01.36 | bstarek | arty_knots_: you dont have local access to mahcine? |
| 12:01.37 | arty_knots_ | hmm |
| 12:01.48 | arty_knots_ | i have |
| 12:02.10 | jelly | hstl: okay then. umount /mnt, cryptsetup luksClose /dev/mapper/recover, then open it again with "sda2_crypt" instead of "recover" |
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| 12:04.21 | arty_knots_ | so 3.10-2 doesnt seem to boot. probably failed configing |
| 12:04.28 | bstarek | arty_knots_: did it boot all the way? |
| 12:04.49 | hstl | jelly, unmounted, closed, opened with original name |
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| 12:05.12 | jelly | hstl: after you manage to mount it again to /mnt, make sure /dev and /sys are available in /mnt: "mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev; mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys; mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc" then "chroot /mnt" |
| 12:05.54 | jelly | hstl: and _then_ run grub-install /dev/sda from inside the chroot. |
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| 12:08.26 | arty_knots_ | nope |
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| 12:11.40 | hstl | jelly, http://postimg.org/image/5ntz1k99z/ |
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| 12:12.31 | Mohamed_DZ | Hi everyone, how can I create LAN between debian 8 & windows 8? |
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| 12:13.36 | hstl | jelly, http://postimg.org/image/hcgkqw7w9/ |
| 12:13.38 | markybob | Mohamed_DZ, are you talking about filesharing? or NAT? or what? |
| 12:13.38 | ChrisH | Mohamed_DZ: plug a cable in and you have a lan. |
| 12:13.51 | maveas | ChrisH: I was about to say the same.. :D |
| 12:14.01 | Mohamed_DZ | file sharing, I have cable |
| 12:14.07 | rselon | Why is lsb_release reporting sid as codename when running testing> |
| 12:14.08 | rselon | ? |
| 12:14.09 | markybob | Mohamed_DZ, you probably want samba |
| 12:14.18 | jelly | hstl: don't see the whole message there. |
| 12:14.20 | Mohamed_DZ | I have dukto |
| 12:14.36 | hstl | jelly, try the last one |
| 12:14.39 | maveas | rselon: because sid = testing ;) |
| 12:14.54 | jelly | hstl: I'm looking at <hstl> jelly, http://postimg.org/image/hcgkqw7w9/ |
| 12:14.59 | Mohamed_DZ | but I can't see other laptop, well I don't know how to create LAN on debian :/ |
| 12:15.10 | rselon | maveas: I though sid was unstable |
| 12:15.15 | hstl | Ok, jelly, i think i must edit /etc/default/grub |
| 12:15.22 | maveas | rselon: sorry, it is :P |
| 12:15.25 | markybob | !samba |
| 12:15.25 | dpkg | Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ http://samba.org/samba/docs/ http://wiki.samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>, <dfs>. |
| 12:15.40 | petn-randall | Mohamed_DZ: Note that a LAN and filesharing are two completely different concepts. |
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| 12:16.04 | jelly | rselon: testing is not a proper release. what lsb_release says cannot be trusted really |
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| 12:16.34 | arty_knots_ | it doesnt boot in recovery mode either |
| 12:16.37 | Mohamed_DZ | petn-randall: different? but I can share files in LAN |
| 12:16.40 | jelly | rselon: is there a specific reason why you care about lsb_release' output? |
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| 12:16.55 | markybob | Mohamed_DZ, i've told you twice |
| 12:16.57 | markybob | i give up |
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| 12:17.13 | rselon | jelly: nah just trying out testing in a vm to decide if I want to switch my main system to it and found it interesting |
| 12:17.25 | petn-randall | Mohamed_DZ: Wikipedia has two excellent articles on both concepts. |
| 12:17.42 | Mohamed_DZ | markybob: yes, samba, I'm searching how to use it |
| 12:17.43 | DominikB | rselon, wait a couple of days until the gcc transition is done |
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| 12:18.27 | jelly | DominikB: only days? You're an optimist arentcha |
| 12:18.35 | arty_knots_ | anyway how the hell i can get it to boot |
| 12:18.41 | DominikB | jelly, :D allways |
| 12:18.56 | rselon | DominikB: yeah I noticed ggc5 went in a couple of days ago, I think its too early... ill propably update next week so at least some of the packages have gone through |
| 12:19.23 | rselon | I hope by next week itll be stable enough |
| 12:19.23 | DominikB | :D |
| 12:19.51 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 12:19.51 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. |
| 12:19.54 | DominikB | rselon, i think its stable but the upgrade breaks almost everthing |
| 12:19.57 | hstl | jelly, try my last photo. I done what it asked. Typed in /etc/default/grub GRUB_EBABLE_CRYPTODISK=1. But the answer is the same. Ir must i leave chroot? |
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| 12:20.45 | jelly | hstl: I don't see any new URL since http://postimg.org/image/hcgkqw7w9/ , am I missing something? |
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| 12:21.25 | joker_89 | anyone has tried the cloudrino server? |
| 12:21.36 | hstl | jelly, this is the full message |
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| 12:21.50 | jelly | hstl: did you run update-grub after editing that file, and before trying grub-install again? |
| 12:22.04 | hstl | jelly, this link that you posted contains a full message |
| 12:22.19 | arty_knots_ | bloody hell, anyone got any advice? im running jessie and i cant get it to boot after updating trough apt-get |
| 12:22.24 | hstl | jelly, no. Must i do that? |
| 12:22.44 | jelly | hstl: that's what top of the file /etc/default/grub suggests |
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| 12:24.23 | jelly | hstl: I still don't see the whole error message there, it's cut in the middle |
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| 12:26.31 | hstl | jelly, direct link to the same image http://s4.postimg.org/qx07drx8c/14418007527851926702008.jpg |
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| 12:28.31 | Mohamed_DZ | markybob: Is this good? https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/debian-samba-server/ |
| 12:29.31 | markybob | Mohamed_DZ i skimmed it very quickly and it looks good |
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| 12:29.51 | petaflot | hello! I just upgraded a system from wheezy to jessie, apt failed and can't complete it's upgrade. cups seems to break the upgrade because of libjpeg62-turbo that will not be installed. I tried removing the packages with --purge but it failes and keeps on telling me to run apt-get -f install (which fails, needless to say) |
| 12:30.02 | markybob | Mohamed_DZ, i'll be around for a bit if you need help/something doesn't work |
| 12:30.16 | Mohamed_DZ | markybob: Thanks, I'll try it |
| 12:30.36 | hstl | jelly, i done update-grub. But answer is the same after grub-install /dev/sda |
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| 12:31.46 | petn-randall | hi petaflot, can you give us more details, that dpkg will PM you? |
| 12:31.54 | petn-randall | !tell petaflot -about bat |
| 12:32.04 | hstl | jelly, new http://postimg.org/image/ye0xnwo65/8e976ada/ |
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| 12:32.49 | petaflot | petn-randall: what exact information do you need? |
| 12:33.07 | petn-randall | petaflot: check what dpkg sent you |
| 12:33.24 | petaflot | oh I see |
| 12:33.30 | cap3lla | systemd and journald consuming 100% CPU and my fan goes crazy. It's over 10mins now. What's happening there? Is there known anything for Debian Jessie ? I am up-to-date, I did just run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" successfully today in the morning. Any help appreciated |
| 12:33.49 | Haxxa | So here is the reason I could never use debian on my Laptop: Windows with proprietary drivers: 11 hours battery Debian with Free Drivers: 6-7 Hours battery :) - I really wich I could move but I value battery too much |
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| 12:34.30 | Haxxa | The only problem I have linux is not a fault with linux but with companies releasing source code :/ |
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| 12:34.53 | cap3lla | the two hot processes are "/lib/systemd/systemd-journald" and "/usr/sbin/rsyslogd -n" at 100% and rsyslogd display even 118% or 125% CPU time :( |
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| 12:35.20 | cap3lla | Haxxa: look at "tlp" |
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| 12:35.41 | arty_knots_ | it gives me emergency mode, what should i do with it |
| 12:35.49 | hstl | jelly, http://s4.postimg.org/89b3n0tfh/14418020496961045595005.jpg |
| 12:35.54 | hstl | Grub file |
| 12:36.35 | petn-randall | cap3lla: Sounds like there are lots of logs getting generated, did you check the logs? |
| 12:37.31 | arty_knots_ | i ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade on jessie and i ended up not booting. now im in emergency mode, what should i do |
| 12:38.10 | arty_knots_ | emergency mode on older kernel* |
| 12:38.40 | arty_knots_ | i probably should reinstall and conf the new kernel right? |
| 12:38.47 | jelly | hstl: sorry, I seem to have issues viewing images from postimg.org and also quite busy at the moment, maybe someone else can jump in |
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| 12:39.13 | hstl | jelly, ok =( |
| 12:39.20 | arty_knots_ | it has no network access tho |
| 12:40.11 | hstl | jelly, thank you very much! |
| 12:40.18 | cap3lla | petn-randall: in syslog I see lots of lines produced like "gnome-session: your choice" |
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| 12:40.39 | cap3lla | hundreds per second :( |
| 12:40.50 | cap3lla | the same appears in messages |
| 12:41.05 | cap3lla | and user.log |
| 12:41.11 | cap3lla | but where do they come from ? |
| 12:41.32 | petn-randall | cap3lla: Can you show us the *full* line? |
| 12:42.07 | cap3lla | Sep 9 13:25:21 cap3lla gnome-session[3850]: Your choice: |
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| 12:43.44 | cap3lla | petn-randall: https://paste.debian.net/311044/ |
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| 12:44.39 | cap3lla | I could logoff now and also reboot my gdm3 but that's not a good solution. I'd like to know why this happens and where the culprit is located at |
| 12:45.40 | hstl | jelly! =D i figured it! I just needed to mount sda1 (/boot). All is fine now! Wow, it was a way harder that doing the same in nonencrypted volume! Thanks for your patience! I didnt know that guys like you exist! Thank you very very very much! |
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| 12:46.02 | cap3lla | I did find it!! DAMN |
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| 12:46.47 | petn-randall | cap3lla: I was referring to the full log line. So you found the cause? What was it? |
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| 12:47.40 | cap3lla | it was a process called "aldo". I installed this tool about one hour ago. I did execute it on the shell, it generates some CW morse code tones. I breaked with "CTRL+C" and immediately it returned the prompt. So I assumed the process were stopped correctly. As I see now it *WASN'T* dunno why, but it seems that the process or a forked one was still there. Immediately after I killed "aldo" the fan turned quie |
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| 12:47.43 | arty_knots_ | i tried apt-get upgrading on the emergency mode, bad idea, now its even more fucked up |
| 12:47.45 | cap3lla | t |
| 12:48.01 | cap3lla | and "Your Choice" was the last line of that command line tool that was displayed. So it definitely was the culprit |
| 12:48.04 | cap3lla | damn it |
| 12:48.28 | cap3lla | I immediately removed this from my system as I dont need it any more. But that's dirty programmed |
| 12:48.33 | jelly | hstl: ah, sorry, completely forgot about the separate /boot |
| 12:48.34 | cap3lla | however, thanks for your assistance |
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| 12:50.44 | hstl | jelly, thank you! I can send you 5$ if you want XD. Sorry, but i live in Russia and dollar is expensive to buy |
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| 12:51.38 | petaflot | petn-randall: https://paste.debian.net/311048/ |
| 12:52.06 | petn-randall | petaflot: thanks |
| 12:52.08 | jelly | hstl: send vodka... :-D |
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| 12:54.15 | petn-randall | petaflot: Your /var/lib/dpkg/status is corrupted. There's a package called libevent-2.0.18 that has the version number "stable-1" installed on your system. This isn't from Debian. |
| 12:55.04 | arty_knots_ | i tried to get a picture with my potato http://i.imgur.com/fttiqj7.jpg it doesnt let me write anything now |
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| 12:55.22 | petn-randall | petaflot: Can you drop that package with 'dpkg -P libevent-2.0.18'? Which release are you running? |
| 12:56.37 | petn-randall | petaflot: That seems like a package from an Ubuntu PPA. Are you running Ubuntu? |
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| 12:58.23 | arty_knots_ | if you are not gonna help im gonna fucking re-install the whole shit |
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| 12:59.20 | petn-randall | arty_knots_: Please keep it family friendly. We're all doing volunteer support in this channel. Cursing at people won't help you getting support faster. |
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| 12:59.24 | markybob | arty_knots_, okay. that hurts us none. don't demand things |
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| 12:59.51 | bazhang | potato? |
| 12:59.53 | DominikB | arty_knots_, am i right that it hangs in the dhcp or networkcard boot up |
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| 13:14.21 | petaflot | petn-randall: nothing with ubuntu as far as I know. I believe it's "voyage linux", which is basically a debian modified to run on flash HDD |
| 13:15.09 | markybob | !debian based |
| 13:15.09 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 13:16.11 | DammitJim | this is probably not the right channel, but when I try to vi ../conf/catalina.out, vi creates a new directory instead of opening the file |
| 13:16.17 | DammitJim | do you guys know what could cause this? |
| 13:16.24 | DammitJim | I can't seem to get the right keywords to google this |
| 13:16.26 | daedeloth | after learning that launchpad does not support building packages for debian... is there any alternative way to build packages and get them on our servers? |
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| 13:17.07 | DammitJim | actually nano is doing the same thing |
| 13:17.52 | DominikB | daedeloth, maybe you can give the obs (openbuildsystem) a chance |
| 13:18.26 | petaflot | markybob: thanks I took good notice of that. |
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| 13:20.23 | daedeloth | DominikB, but there is no online version of that? |
| 13:20.28 | petaflot | petn-randall: 'dpkg -P libevent-2.0.18' seems to have done the trick. thanks! may I ask you _how_ you figured out it was this particular package? |
| 13:20.38 | biax | anyone on haswell kind enough to show me lspci -knn ; im trying to see what kernel drivers i should have |
| 13:20.44 | heinzflower | i have a question. is this the command to connect to my server ssh root@46.101.177.4? because it always gives an error |
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| 13:21.13 | DominikB | daedeloth, http://openbuildservice.org/ |
| 13:21.16 | markybob | heinzflower, assuming a lot of things, yes. many ssh servers don't allow root to connect |
| 13:21.32 | heinzflower | ah ok |
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| 13:32.25 | Teduardo | has anyone been able to get sendmail to work since the logjam updates? |
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| 13:34.07 | at0m | dpkg: tell Teduardo about anyone |
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| 13:39.05 | smellsLikeGoatSp | I am trying to fix the wpa_supplicant file to connect to eduroam network. Uni network. I am pretty sure I should be following 'quick example 2' but I dont seem to make it work |
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| 13:50.49 | babilen | smellsLikeGoatSp: It would be a lot easier if you were to use NetworkManager (fyi) |
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| 13:51.42 | smellsLikeGoatSp | babilen: I am using wpa_supplicant because I want to then use the same on my RPi and have it to connect automatically |
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| 13:54.22 | babilen | smellsLikeGoatSp: Does your university not provide information on how to connect? |
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| 13:56.54 | babilen | https://help.it.ox.ac.uk/network/wireless/services/eduroam/linux_cli/index might help |
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| 14:11.21 | smellsLikeGoatSp | babilen: I dont think the IT will be very helpful. I had a word with the guy and he was useless |
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| 14:14.35 | jelly | eduroam usually uses EAP/TTLS, not WPA |
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| 14:15.31 | jelly | my android config says EAP - TTLS, phase 2 - PAP |
| 14:15.42 | techabyte | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:16.19 | DoctorD90 | 2questions: what are "full repo" for a stable version? - Using "stable" as version for repo, how have i to use upgrade/dist-upgrade? |
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| 14:16.38 | Gustav200 | how can i dd the last 2 mb of my hard drive ? |
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| 14:16.55 | johnkeates | Gustav200: reverse DD, or use the skip option |
| 14:17.07 | Gustav200 | howà |
| 14:17.08 | Gustav200 | ? |
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| 14:17.31 | DoctorD90 | Gustav200 from my knowledge, using seek option...but google it, it may be better :) an keep attention to if/of target ;) |
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| 14:17.46 | Gustav200 | ok, thanks |
| 14:17.53 | babilen | jelly: wpa-eap/mschapv2 here |
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| 14:18.15 | jelly | babilen: good thing they standardized, ehhh? |
| 14:18.34 | DoctorD90 | jelly mschapv2 for what? |
| 14:18.52 | jelly | "you can go to any campus in the Europe, and use this setup for wifi. Except where it's different" |
| 14:19.07 | DoctorD90 | ah...understanda situation... |
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| 14:19.46 | johnkeates | I smell eduroam |
| 14:19.54 | DoctorD90 | from what i know, FIRST, campus has to be subscripted to eudoram, SECOND, you'd follow network configs of campus, but using your own settings |
| 14:20.00 | johnkeates | I just joined, but I can already smell it |
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| 14:20.50 | babilen | DoctorD90: The idea is, however, that you should be able to connect to eduroam everywhere (i.e. that the wireless settings are identical) |
| 14:21.24 | johnkeates | I have about 12 different eduroam networks stored and yes, they use the same network settings |
| 14:21.29 | DominikB | babak, yeah but some campus are quite difficult to setup |
| 14:21.45 | smellsLikeGoatSp | I am a bit lost now. |
| 14:21.54 | smellsLikeGoatSp | too much eduroam going on at the same time |
| 14:21.55 | jelly | johnkeates: and if you know how to configure a linux client manually (wpa_supplicant), you can help smellsLikeGoatSp |
| 14:21.56 | johnkeates | the only difference is the 'home' campus network allows you to use the short username instead of the full username with email etc. |
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| 14:23.44 | johnkeates | I didn't use static config directly, I had GNOME GUI sort it out for me |
| 14:23.45 | smellsLikeGoatSp | johnkeates: I can connect alright to eduroam, I am now trying to gain access configuring my wpa_supplicant |
| 14:23.53 | johnkeates | ah |
| 14:23.53 | DominikB | johnkeates, at least what i see is sometimes the outer login is different |
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| 14:24.22 | johnkeates | I did have a OpenWRT router manually configured for eduroam |
| 14:24.38 | johnkeates | but I think it uses a smaller embedded version of pa_supplicant |
| 14:24.56 | DoctorD90 | babilen unfortunatly my knowledge is only theoretically, because i havent never used it. Btw, sure...this would be the target of eudoram network :P |
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| 14:25.42 | johnkeates | You need to use PEAP only, and MSCHAPv2 only |
| 14:26.24 | johnkeates | the outer ID is your complete student email, where I live the common format is: s<student number>@student.domain.tld |
| 14:26.54 | johnkeates | I also configured it to ignore trust exceptions |
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| 14:27.04 | johnkeates | because quite often the CA and certs are home-cooked |
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| 14:28.58 | johnkeates | also, eduroam uses certs + credentials, and most of the time when I had things break, it was because the certs were denied |
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| 14:29.34 | smellsLikeGoatSp | ID is different here but I nailed that. how do I use PEAP or MSCHAPv2 exactly? and ignore trust exceptions, which I seem to get notification of |
| 14:29.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | i think the correct course of action might be to trust the CA instead of ignoring trust exceptions. |
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| 14:30.09 | smellsLikeGoatSp | when connecting normally I have to trust CA as a matter of fact |
| 14:30.10 | sonOfRa | smellsLikeGoatSp: you don't really want to ignore the trust issues. Those are basically the security model of eduroam |
| 14:30.20 | sonOfRa | especially if you ever sign in to eduroam at a university that isn't your home university. |
| 14:30.26 | johnkeates | NoImNotNineVolt: well, security-wise, yes, but eduroam has a severely inconsistent PKI and almost on every odd connection you get a cert signed by a different CA |
| 14:30.55 | johnkeates | and the CA is never a normally included ca in ca-certificates |
| 14:30.57 | sonOfRa | you trust the certificate issued by your home institution, and authentication is delegated to that institution no matter where you try to sign in |
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| 14:31.12 | chozha | eduroam ?? wut is dat |
| 14:31.16 | johnkeates | yes, but only after you pass the local auth |
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| 14:31.39 | jelly | what local auth? |
| 14:31.44 | johnkeates | you can't get to delegation if you don't accept the cert/ca from the local institution |
| 14:31.46 | smellsLikeGoatSp | treat me like an idiot here, what do I do of this: " |
| 14:31.54 | smellsLikeGoatSp | WPA-RADIUS/EAP-PEAP/MSCHAPv2 with RADIUS servers that use old peaplabel (e.g., Funk Odyssey and SBR, Meetinghouse Aegis, Interlink RAD-Series) ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant ctrl_interface_group=wheel network={ ssid="example" scan_ssid=1 key_mgmt=WPA-EAP eap=PEAP identity="user@exampl |
| 14:32.16 | eskatrem | Hey, how do ssh to server without using an ssh key? Here's what I did but it keeps failing: ssh -o "PubkeyAuthentication no" level1@io.smashthestack.org |
| 14:32.34 | smellsLikeGoatSp | ca_cert="/etc/cert/ca.pem" phase1="peaplabel=0" phase2="auth=MSCHAPV2" } |
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| 14:33.10 | johnkeates | eskatrem: you have to not only not-use pubkey but also 'prefer' keyboard-interactive |
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| 14:34.03 | DoctorD90 | anyone that may help me a while with "stable" stuff? :P |
| 14:34.19 | johnkeates | depends on your needs :p |
| 14:34.37 | eskatrem | johnkeates: just tried this, didnt work as well: ssh -o PreferredAuthentications=keyboard-interactive,password -o PubkeyAuthentication=no level1@io.smashthestack.org |
| 14:34.43 | smellsLikeGoatSp | babilen: about your link. I take I should be changin eap with the adeguate one |
| 14:34.47 | jelly | dpkg, tell DoctorD90 about jessie sources.list |
| 14:34.59 | johnkeates | eskatrem: try with -vvv so you can see why SSH isn't doing what you're telling it to do |
| 14:35.07 | eskatrem | basically I tried all sorts of combinations to disable ssh key, but in vain |
| 14:35.12 | eskatrem | ssh -vvv ... ? |
| 14:35.20 | johnkeates | yes |
| 14:35.22 | jelly | DoctorD90: before doing any changes, you should first figure out which debian version is really installed |
| 14:35.25 | johnkeates | it's super-verbose |
| 14:35.37 | johnkeates | so you can see what it's doing closer to protocol level |
| 14:35.47 | johnkeates | the server might deny passwords and only want key |
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| 14:36.20 | jelly | eskatrem: I don't think we're supposed to help you with wargames or homework. |
| 14:36.23 | eskatrem | johnkeates: yeah it is verbose |
| 14:36.43 | eskatrem | jelly: I'm not asking for help in the wargame, just to fix the ssh config |
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| 14:37.05 | johnkeates | eskatrem: well, SSH also takes quite a hardcore config ordering |
| 14:37.07 | nebg | hello everyone... i noticed there are some packages in kali linux which are not present in the standard official debian repos, as for example mitmf |
| 14:37.13 | jelly | eskatrem: figuring out ssh options is part of the game! |
| 14:37.16 | johnkeates | eskatrem: so check the three places where ssh gets configured too |
| 14:37.23 | johnkeates | also: |
| 14:37.23 | nebg | do you think it could be a good idea to include in my sources.list the kali repos ? |
| 14:37.24 | johnkeates | THE GAME |
| 14:37.26 | johnkeates | you lose. |
| 14:37.30 | nebg | or i'll break the system ? |
| 14:37.35 | eskatrem | jelly: funny I can connect from a VM but not from my main computer |
| 14:37.39 | johnkeates | you'll create a frankenstein system |
| 14:37.44 | johnkeates | but it might still work |
| 14:37.44 | smellsLikeGoatSp | johnkeates: do you want to play the elephant game? |
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| 14:37.59 | johnkeates | smellsLikeGoatSp: maybe, the badger game is fun too |
| 14:38.02 | DoctorD90 | jelly i have jessie downloaded/installed. But i'd like to use stable repo, intead of relaese repo, so i can keep them updated "more" than version :) ...my dubt is about upgrading....if i have to use upgrade and then dist-upgrade, or only second...or how :P |
| 14:38.03 | johnkeates | t00ts |
| 14:38.03 | eskatrem | it seems to have found something in my config fie that I deleted, do I need to restart something after modifying the config file? |
| 14:38.09 | jelly | nebg: it might break, it might not, but it _will_ be unsupportable by us if you do it |
| 14:38.14 | smellsLikeGoatSp | johnkeates: .. |
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| 14:38.21 | jelly | DoctorD90: don't do that. |
| 14:38.29 | smellsLikeGoatSp | johnkeates: ELEPHANT. I win |
| 14:38.38 | smellsLikeGoatSp | johnkeates: I am also so sad |
| 14:38.43 | johnkeates | ah yes |
| 14:38.44 | johnkeates | life |
| 14:38.47 | johnkeates | it has it's things |
| 14:38.47 | nebg | jelly, so how can i do that ? |
| 14:39.03 | jelly | DoctorD90: when you have debian 8 installed, keep the sources for jessie. not "stable", not anything else. |
| 14:39.03 | nebg | do you think it is a sake idea instead to install aminimal debian and just put those repos ? |
| 14:39.11 | johnkeates | yes |
| 14:39.21 | johnkeates | you might end up with elephants tho |
| 14:39.24 | jelly | nebg: it's not. If you want to use kali, use kali |
| 14:39.32 | DoctorD90 | jelly ? why? |
| 14:39.52 | smellsLikeGoatSp | johnkeates: If I cant fix this wpa_supplicant I ll dig a hole in my back yard and pretend I am a carrot for the rest of the day |
| 14:40.11 | jelly | DoctorD90: because your system _will_ break when stretch is released if you don't read and follow stretch release notes. |
| 14:40.13 | DominikB | smellsLikeGoatSp, :D |
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| 14:40.21 | johnkeates | smellsLikeGoatSp: you do know that this makes me want to ruin your wpa just to I can have you carrot. |
| 14:40.31 | eskatrem | johnkeates: ok, I managed to do it by ignoring the config file: ssh -F /dev/null ... |
| 14:40.32 | zenpac | How is debian caching dns values? How do I purge it? |
| 14:40.47 | jelly | DoctorD90: upgrades from one release to the next are not automatic |
| 14:40.48 | DoctorD90 | sorry jelly, i dont full understand. May i ask you an example? :) |
| 14:40.53 | johnkeates | eskatrem: yes, this is what I had a guy one one of my dev teams do too as a debug method |
| 14:41.06 | johnkeates | DoctorD90: check out apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 14:41.13 | n3s | problems with debian testing amd64 after update... exemple: if i try to (re)install vlc, i have to remove pidgin, clementine, etc... if i try to (re)install inkscape, i have to remove gparted, pavumeter, etc.... there are libs conflict... |
| 14:41.15 | zenpac | I have no dns software running. |
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| 14:41.24 | jelly | DoctorD90: I can't make an example. Just be aware that using "stable" in sources.list is unsafe. |
| 14:41.26 | johnkeates | n3s: did you dist-upgrade? |
| 14:41.31 | smellsLikeGoatSp | johnkeates: you can have me carrot whenever you desire it |
| 14:41.36 | n3s | john341: yes |
| 14:41.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | i thought dnsmasq is running by default... |
| 14:41.42 | johnkeates | desires carotting |
| 14:41.43 | DominikB | n3s, welcome to the gcc4 transfer club enjoy your stay |
| 14:41.43 | n3s | johnkeates: yes |
| 14:41.44 | eskatrem | johnkeates: you have a dev team specialized with ssh? |
| 14:41.53 | n3s | yeah |
| 14:41.53 | DoctorD90 | jelly unsafe for? is that i cant understand |
| 14:42.00 | jelly | dpkg, tell n3s about debian-next |
| 14:42.10 | johnkeates | eskatrem: no, but the team uses SSH because i don't allow anything without two layers of encryption (ssh over openvpn :p ) |
| 14:42.24 | jelly | DoctorD90: things will break on upgrade or installations of software, and this can be avoided |
| 14:42.27 | DoctorD90 | johnkeates now im doing (with stable repo) apt-get update; upgrade; dist-upgrade |
| 14:42.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | zenpac: are you sure `ps aux | grep dnsmasq` shows no dnsmasq process running? |
| 14:42.40 | johnkeates | DoctorD90: yes, that is how I upgrade too |
| 14:42.40 | n3s | thanks jelly :) |
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| 14:42.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | zenpac: are you sure your /etc/resolv.conf doesn't point you at a locally-running dns server? |
| 14:43.00 | johnkeates | DoctorD90: but you should update sources.list to match the next version, like jessie, or stretch |
| 14:43.05 | eskatrem | johnkeates: are you working in IT security by any chance? |
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| 14:43.07 | n3s | jelly: #debian-next is +i |
| 14:43.12 | johnkeates | eskatrem: yes. |
| 14:43.17 | smellsLikeGoatSp | I coming clean guys, all of my linux knowledge come from last night marathon of Mr Robot |
| 14:43.20 | jelly | n3s: read the instructions again. |
| 14:43.20 | johnkeates | quickly hides his IP |
| 14:43.21 | zenpac | NoImNotNineVolt: I'm sure. |
| 14:43.28 | DoctorD90 | jelly may i have understand....do you mean that with stalbe, before each "update" i'd check for release notes, to check if something will go worng? rigth? |
| 14:43.39 | DoctorD90 | instead to keep all stuff at "jessie" secure stage? |
| 14:43.45 | johnkeates | smellsLikeGoatSp: well, at least you know more than.. 99% of the human race :p |
| 14:43.47 | n3s | oh ok.. :) |
| 14:43.50 | eskatrem | johnkeates: I know it, only a security guy would be paranoid enough to do something like that :) |
| 14:44.00 | eskatrem | *knew |
| 14:44.14 | NoImNotNineVolt | zenpac: then debian isn't caching dns values. |
| 14:44.14 | zenpac | When I do a host xyz. i get the right answer.. but ping xyz gives bad data. |
| 14:44.21 | johnkeates | eskatrem: well, yes, also, I'm lazy and don't want to make holes in the firewalls for every client that wants to work remotely |
| 14:44.24 | xennex81 | I'm upgrading to Jessie from Wheezy and trying to Jessie and there are a lot of packages on hold for what reason I do not know. |
| 14:44.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's... weird. |
| 14:44.29 | jelly | DoctorD90: at some point, "stable" repo will switch from pointing to "jessie" to pointing to "stretch". If you do upgrade or installation at that point, things _will_ break. |
| 14:44.36 | johnkeates | eskatrem: if someone wants in, they better get a tunnel |
| 14:44.45 | jelly | xennex81: did you read jessie release notes? |
| 14:44.53 | johnkeates | eskatrem: also makes it easier to blame someone if something happens because you know it's coming from their tunnel :p |
| 14:45.10 | johnkeates | smellsLikeGoatSp: anyway, back to your WPA2 Enterprise issue |
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| 14:45.25 | xennex81 | I am doing so @jelly and it suggests executing "echo <pkgname> install | dpkg --set-selections |
| 14:45.30 | johnkeates | smellsLikeGoatSp: what do you have configured so far? I actually jumped in before knowing what you were trying to do :p |
| 14:45.36 | xennex81 | jelly: to remove the hold status |
| 14:45.47 | zenpac | ITS damn AVAHI |
| 14:45.57 | johnkeates | ALL HAIL AVAHI |
| 14:46.10 | xennex81 | jelly: so I compiled a list of all the hold packages and put them each on a new line, and then put " install" after it |
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| 14:46.13 | johnkeates | also, shoot it and kill it with fire |
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| 14:46.17 | jelly | xennex81: correct |
| 14:46.26 | smellsLikeGoatSp | johnkeates: I need to connect my RPi to eduroam, I ll then be able to monitor the lab temperature remotely and make sure that the laser wont overheat |
| 14:46.41 | smellsLikeGoatSp | quick example 2 is what I followed |
| 14:46.42 | smellsLikeGoatSp | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man5/wpa_supplicant.conf.5.html |
| 14:46.49 | johnkeates | smellsLikeGoatSp: did you get the correct flux capacitors? |
| 14:47.05 | johnkeates | is aware of his banter |
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| 14:47.06 | jelly | smellsLikeGoatSp: what kind of lan doesn't have enough wired ethernet! |
| 14:47.11 | xennex81 | jelly: but the packages are not changing to install. There are still at hold. I wonder if it is because I was too stupid to start reading before starting this upgrade. My repos are at jessie now. |
| 14:47.13 | DoctorD90 | jelly but i run dayly update / dist-upgrade, and before each new installation. this is the same? |
| 14:47.16 | jelly | lab* |
| 14:47.22 | johnkeates | jelly: you are just jelly. admit it. |
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| 14:48.01 | jelly | xennex81: did you install anything from jessie yet? |
| 14:48.22 | xennex81 | jelly: a lot, well at first only a few that I needed, but not it has done a whole lot already. |
| 14:48.48 | jelly | DoctorD90: it's not the same, a release upgrade has additional steps. |
| 14:49.12 | smellsLikeGoatSp | johnkeats: there is enough cables already. plus when I connected RPi to an ethernet it didnt work right away and I move to wifi where I had more solid grounds...I know. |
| 14:49.15 | johnkeates | dpkg: tell me about release upgrades |
| 14:49.23 | jelly | xennex81: read and follow /msg dpkg basic apt troubleshooting |
| 14:49.24 | johnkeates | dpkg doesn't know. lame. |
| 14:49.25 | dpkg | johnkeates: I give up, what is it? |
| 14:49.48 | johnkeates | dpkg: It's white and if it falls from a tree your fridge is broken |
| 14:49.48 | dpkg | johnkeates: what are you talking about? |
| 14:49.52 | zenpac | Its not AVAHI... no idea.. ping and ssh are not getting info from dns. |
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| 14:50.31 | danielle31 | I got an email from rkhunter this morning complaining that Network TCP port 47018 is being used by /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd. Apparently that port is a possible Universal Rootkit (URK) component. I'm not able to verify that using lsof or netstat tho and nmap says the port is currently closed. Should I be concerned? |
| 14:51.05 | DoctorD90 | jelly instead of waste your time (for what i say thank you) where ca i read about this argument? :) because i'd liek to learn :) |
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| 14:51.35 | jelly | DoctorD90: /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie |
| 14:51.41 | jelly | for a recent example |
| 14:52.00 | Tiberio | hi all, why all external mass storage device are mounted as root:1010? |
| 14:52.01 | DoctorD90 | thx! |
| 14:52.02 | danielle31 | system is a shared server of which I am an admin, fwiw |
| 14:52.04 | Tiberio | why 1010? |
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| 14:52.29 | DoctorD90 | ah! and jelly, if i do a deboostrapped env from 0, i can use stable repo? |
| 14:52.38 | smellsLikeGoatSp | johnkeats: Heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard Are sweeter; therefore, ye soft pipes, play on; |
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| 14:56.42 | zenpac | Whats the chance that the one host that is giving me grief has a value in /etc/hosts? |
| 14:56.55 | zenpac | today = 100% |
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| 14:59.16 | johnkeates | t00ts his pipes |
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| 15:01.01 | tastybuds | HI guys! I installed some Wi-fi drivers (rtl8192cu-fixes) in my /home folder. If I move it to another folder will it stop working? |
| 15:01.19 | johnkeates | tastybuds: well, if you have the driver being loaded from that directory, then yes |
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| 15:01.45 | jelly | DoctorD90: no. Use the codename. |
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| 15:01.58 | no_gravity | How do you use a bluetooth keyboard with debian? |
| 15:02.18 | tastybuds | johnkeates: Any advice how to see from where the driver is loaded/how to change the path? |
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| 15:02.32 | DoctorD90 | jelly ok thx :) |
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| 15:03.08 | johnkeates | johnkeates: it's not going to be autoloaded from that directory, so you probably issued some commands which either install it or manually load it from there |
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| 15:03.30 | johnkeates | no_gravity: first tape it to the desk, you won't be able to type if it constantly floats away |
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| 15:03.50 | johnkeates | no_gravity: next, you can use the bluetooth stuff from your DE to connect it |
| 15:04.03 | tastybuds | johnkeates: you are right, I installed it with dpkg. I dont load it every time. |
| 15:04.04 | johnkeates | no_gravity: if you are on a CLI install, you need to manually pair and configure it using blue |
| 15:04.09 | ZitZ | i get an invalid request when i start an unprivililged lxc container with lxc-start |
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| 15:04.16 | johnkeates | tastybuds: in that case it's safe to delete |
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| 15:04.46 | tastybuds | johnkeates: OK, thanks! |
| 15:05.08 | no_gravity | johnkeates: hmm.. the keyboard came with a little usb stick. i plugged that one in and now im typing on the bluetooh keyboard. |
| 15:05.29 | DominikB | no_gravity, :D |
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| 15:05.36 | johnkeates | no_gravity: so it's not bluetooth after all? :p |
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| 15:05.53 | johnkeates | no_gravity: usually if they come with their own dongle it's RF but not really bT |
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| 15:06.20 | no_gravity | johnkeates: i have no idea. its the rapoo e2800p |
| 15:06.31 | johnkeates | no_gravity, |
| 15:06.33 | johnkeates | yes |
| 15:06.37 | johnkeates | not BT, just RF :) |
| 15:06.46 | johnkeates | the dongle presents itself as a USB keyboard |
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| 15:07.09 | no_gravity | i probably better dont use it to enter passwords. |
| 15:07.20 | xennex81 | jelly: here is a paste of all relevant information I have compiled thus far: https://paste.debian.net/311069/ |
| 15:07.48 | Vektorweg1 | hello. i want to reinstall my debian. the old net installer is still on my drive. is there a good reason to use a newer net installer? |
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| 15:08.18 | johnkeates | Vektorweg1: if your old installer is for sarge, then yes |
| 15:09.19 | Vektorweg1 | is there since 2010. used to install lenny. |
| 15:09.41 | johnkeates | well, in that case, it is worth the switch to jessie |
| 15:10.07 | johnkeates | since you then don't have to muck around with in-place changing of distro releases |
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| 15:12.36 | Vektorweg1 | johnkeates: hm really? i think to remember that i installed squeeze directly with this installer. |
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| 15:14.36 | xennex81 | what is the kernel for jessie, is it 3.2.0-4? |
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| 15:15.04 | towo` | no |
| 15:15.11 | towo` | jessie has 3.16.x |
| 15:15.14 | xennex81 | ok |
| 15:15.17 | xennex81 | thx |
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| 15:16.16 | otyugh | judd kernel |
| 15:16.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.2.0-trunk-686-pae (4.2-1~exp1); sid: 4.1.0-2-686-pae (4.1.6-1); stretch: 4.1.0-2-686-pae (4.1.6-1); jessie-backports: 4.1.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.1.3-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u3) |
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| 15:18.21 | techabyte | argh cannot get startx to work on this mbp >.< tried so many guides |
| 15:18.26 | Morti | can someone explain me why do I need sudo to move a file to "/usr/local/bin" but don't need sudo to use it after? ex: I need "sudo mv ~/foo.bin /usr/local/bin" but after from terminal I can simply do "foo". Why isnt sudo needed anymore? |
| 15:18.45 | socomm | Heh, mpb. |
| 15:19.01 | socomm | Morti: Permissions. |
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| 15:19.38 | socomm | http://ryanstutorials.net/linuxtutorial/permissions.php |
| 15:19.42 | socomm | Morti: ^ |
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| 15:19.57 | techabyte | its an old one was hoping to have some use of it I know its something to do with xorg or the radeon card thats in it disabling gdm3 on boot up boots fine but once I startx hangs |
| 15:19.59 | Morti | socomm: if they have "root staff" does it means my normal user is included in "staff"? |
| 15:20.02 | Brigo | Morti, you have execution permission in /usr/local/bin, not write permissions. |
| 15:20.16 | Morti | oh right Brigo |
| 15:20.44 | socomm | Morti: Who are they? If your user is part of the staff group, sure. |
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| 15:26.38 | Vektorweg1 | johnkeates: found a new installer. now i need to find out how i started this thing from grub console. :| |
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| 15:27.17 | johnkeates | Vektorweg1: you can load an ISO from grub I think, but I can't help you atm because: |
| 15:27.17 | johnkeates | is going to take a dump, brb |
| 15:28.25 | Vektorweg1 | :D |
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| 15:31.41 | abrotman | dpkg: tell johnkeates about away |
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| 15:33.11 | tite12345 | Hi! |
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| 15:35.04 | tite12345 | Hi! |
| 15:35.14 | tite12345 | What can I use to reduce the size of images? |
| 15:35.35 | tite12345 | I'm trying to send an email with 10 pics but couldn't because I've exceeded the file limit. |
| 15:35.55 | zykotick9 | tite12345: gimp as a gui, imagemagick for terminal, are two options... |
| 15:35.56 | mtn | tite12345, reduce the quality of the images |
| 15:36.06 | xennex81 | irfanview. |
| 15:36.07 | xennex81 | :p. |
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| 15:36.31 | tite12345 | I think it isn't possible to reduce the size of images without reducing the quality. |
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| 15:36.52 | planetmaker | tite12345, that depends on the format the images are saved in |
| 15:37.03 | tite12345 | Reducing the image size does not make sense without compromising the quality :) |
| 15:37.05 | planetmaker | jpg usually cannot be compressed much |
| 15:37.10 | tite12345 | Hmmm |
| 15:37.22 | tite12345 | Yeah the images are JPGs. |
| 15:37.35 | tite12345 | I think I got this now. |
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| 15:38.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | there are lossless image compression algorithms. |
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| 15:43.15 | johnkeates | aww, I can't tell people when I'm taking a dump? :D |
| 15:43.20 | johnkeates | j/k ;) |
| 15:43.29 | mtn | hilarious |
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| 15:44.05 | centrx | johnkeates, Save that stuff for twitter |
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| 15:47.44 | johnkeates | does anyone know if Timo Aaltonen (FreeIPA Debian Maintainer) sometimes hops by on this channel? |
| 15:48.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | you'll have better luck finding maintainers on oftc. |
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| 15:48.48 | johnkeates | ah, makes sense |
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| 15:49.06 | Brigo | johnkeates, try debian-devel |
| 15:49.10 | Brigo | there |
| 15:49.15 | johnkeates | yeah |
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| 16:07.31 | Coca | So I found http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=41881&start=45 for the Framebuffer Splash Image but would the image stay in the background once I log in |
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| 16:13.04 | xennex81 | dist-upgrade takes forever.... |
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| 16:13.41 | DominikB | xennex81, which kind of forever |
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| 16:15.59 | xennex81 | like, an hour :P @DominikB |
| 16:16.08 | xennex81 | oh it's done |
| 16:17.08 | DominikB | xennex81, :D |
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| 16:17.41 | xennex81 | question: I had to install a separate package for realtek NIC and now update-initramfs is complaining that there are missing firmwares. |
| 16:17.52 | xennex81 | that separate package was for wheezy |
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| 16:18.23 | xennex81 | if I reboot now my internet / network will probably be gone. |
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| 16:19.16 | xennex81 | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-3.fw for module r8169 -- and stuff |
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| 16:20.35 | petn-randall | xennex81: Are you running wheezy? |
| 16:20.48 | xennex81 | in the process of dist-upgrading from wheezy to jessie |
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| 16:21.00 | Taint | how do I update just one thing from terminal? sudo apt-get update *program i want to update* ? |
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| 16:21.11 | xennex81 | it's in non-free |
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| 16:21.15 | petn-randall | Taint: man apt-get |
| 16:21.27 | xennex81 | Taint: upgrade instead of update |
| 16:21.51 | Taint | but if I only want to choose one program... because I'm running extremely low on space |
| 16:21.51 | guampa | Taint: apt-get install package |
| 16:22.04 | guampa | update first, to update the apt database |
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| 16:23.28 | jlec | Hi |
| 16:23.29 | docsnuggles | @Taint: Download the package you need and use dpkg -i <your_debfile.deb> |
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| 16:23.57 | Taint | ok thx |
| 16:23.59 | DominikB | Taint, you can just run apt-get install <package> and it will fetch the new version |
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| 16:25.44 | Taint | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 16:25.50 | Taint | thats what happens when I do that |
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| 16:26.15 | xennex81 | realtek driver successfully installed from non-free :D. |
| 16:26.21 | guampa | Taint: did you run apt-get update first? |
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| 16:27.05 | Taint | I did not, but just did now |
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| 16:27.11 | Taint | encountered errors on that too... |
| 16:27.17 | Taint | but will try the last thing now |
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| 16:37.01 | xennex81 | NIC driver is okay, raid config seems to be okay enough, grub.cfg seems to be okay, i hope it auto-boots the first entry |
| 16:37.15 | xennex81 | should I reboot? :P. If it goes wrong I'm screwed :p. |
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| 16:38.40 | jelly | xennex81: if you now have the jessie version of firmware-realtek, there's probably nothing else to do but try rebooting |
| 16:39.03 | jelly | ,v firmware-realtek |
| 16:39.04 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 0.44~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 0.44; stretch/non-free: 0.44 |
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| 16:39.28 | jelly | xennex81: does "dpkg -l firmware-realtek" match 0.43 above ? |
| 16:39.33 | petn-randall | docsnuggles: That's really bad advice, as it doesn't resolve any dependencies or verify the source. |
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| 16:39.47 | unus | hello |
| 16:40.06 | unus | do you know why the call setsockopt(sockfd, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, ...) doesn't destroy the socket? |
| 16:40.40 | xennex81 | jelly: yes :). |
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| 16:49.13 | xennex81 | timeout for grub is also correct, default is probably entry 0, if it defaults to the old kernel however it will no longer have firmware-realtek for wheezy |
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| 16:51.10 | jelly | xennex81: it will, the firmware packages are backward compatible (old versions of fw is kept together with newer) |
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| 16:51.41 | xennex81 | right :) |
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| 16:52.26 | xennex81 | rebooting.... |
| 16:53.04 | jelly | NO WARRANTY |
| 16:53.23 | xennex81 | i also removed the grub 00header fail timeout thing that when there is a grub failure it defaults to a timeout of -1 |
| 16:53.53 | xennex81 | iface is up :) |
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| 16:54.14 | xennex81 | and logged in, success. |
| 16:54.20 | xennex81 | ty :). |
| 16:54.21 | jelly | \o/ |
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| 16:55.48 | Finetundar | has anyone here used the Trinity DE? |
| 16:56.22 | SynrG | it's possible some have, but since it's not in debian, it's not supported here |
| 16:56.34 | SynrG | !trinity |
| 16:56.34 | dpkg | The Trinity Desktop Environment project is a fork of <KDE> 3.5. It is not part of Debian (KDE SC 4 is packaged) and their packages are neither supported by #debian nor by the Debian Security Team. http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ #trinity-desktop on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:57.27 | Finetundar | oh, I saw debian mentioned on their page and made an assumption. Thanks though! |
| 16:58.33 | jhutchins | Finetundar: I tried it during their first year and it wasn't fully functional. |
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| 16:59.08 | Finetundar | jhutchins: That was their first year though |
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| 16:59.49 | Finetundar | jhutchins: I wouldn't expect it to be fully working |
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| 17:00.45 | jhutchins | Finetundar: I mostly expected it to work as well as the last official 3.5, which it didn't. But yeah, first year. |
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| 17:01.28 | jhutchins | Finetundar: I've gotten pretty comfortable with xfce, although it doesn't have some of the accessories like an IDE. |
| 17:01.56 | jhutchins | Finetundar: My biggest problem is stuff that Debian expects Gnome to take care of that isn't in xfce. |
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| 17:03.05 | Finetundar | jhutchins: xfce is pretty nice, I'm just looking for something new. I was thinking trying out trinity as I never used KDE 3 |
| 17:03.20 | SynrG | consider Cinnamon |
| 17:03.21 | SynrG | it's new |
| 17:03.41 | SynrG | it's also supported: |
| 17:03.43 | SynrG | !install cinnamon |
| 17:03.44 | dpkg | To install <Cinnamon> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install cinnamon-desktop-environment». To install using Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Cinnamon" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages. |
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| 17:04.06 | Finetundar | I don't mean new age wise more like something different than the usual set of DE's |
| 17:04.16 | SynrG | yes. this is different from the usual :) |
| 17:04.20 | SynrG | (for Debian, at least) |
| 17:04.24 | Finetundar | SynrG: is cinimon light? |
| 17:04.44 | Finetundar | and I can't spell |
| 17:04.48 | SynrG | !lightweight |
| 17:04.48 | dpkg | <mjg59> To a first approximation, when someone says "Lightweight" what they mean is "I don't understand the problems that the alternative solves". (http://mjg59.livejournal.com/136274.html) |
| 17:05.34 | Finetundar | I mean resource wise |
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| 17:06.06 | SynrG | which resources? |
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| 17:06.36 | chozha | all r pro here :( |
| 17:06.37 | Finetundar | RAM, GPU,CPU. Disk space isn't a problem |
| 17:06.51 | SynrG | how constrained are you for each of those? |
| 17:07.08 | SynrG | even the lowest end modern system can handle Cinnamon fine |
| 17:07.32 | SynrG | (wimpiest integrated intel GPU, 4G RAM, cheap-ass processor) |
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| 17:09.16 | Finetundar | SynrG: 2GB RAM, 2xIntel Xeon 2GHz, some god awful gpu that can be picky about some things |
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| 17:09.54 | SynrG | if it doesn't support compositor, cinnamon falls back into a decently usable 'fallback' mode |
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| 17:10.33 | SynrG | (unlike gnome 3.2's fallback, which was horrendous ... but i gather 3.14 is much more usable in fallback) |
| 17:10.36 | cheako | Hello, I'm having trouble getting assistance if I treat my questions like kernel issues. |
| 17:10.38 | cheako | http://pastebin.com/M3cAxZsG |
| 17:10.42 | GNU\colossus | with d-i from Jessie, is there a way to arrive at a network configuration in interfaces(5) that looks kind of like this?: https://paste.debian.net/311089/ |
| 17:10.42 | Finetundar | SynrG: would it triggering gnome fallback be a sign that it doesn't support compositing |
| 17:10.49 | cheako | http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-acpi/msg60418.html |
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| 17:10.54 | SynrG | Finetundar: most likely, yes. |
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| 17:11.10 | Finetundar | fantastic I'll install it in a moment |
| 17:11.19 | Pseudo | Hi there! |
| 17:11.26 | Finetundar | hello |
| 17:11.28 | Pseudo | Any issue from you guys i will help to solve |
| 17:11.33 | cheako | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.input/45355 How should input from a 6axis device be handled? It has two set's of X Y Z axis, one for movement and another for spinning. How should the rotation axis mark movement that overflows, -1 becomes 1 and vice/verse when upside down? |
| 17:11.38 | Pseudo | Please send your issue to me one by one |
| 17:11.51 | SynrG | Finetundar: 2G RAM is slightly constrained. where you're mostly going to suffer is not in the desktop RAM usage, but your web browser RAM usage |
| 17:11.52 | Finetundar | Pseudo: how about hanging at shutdown? |
| 17:12.16 | SynrG | just don't have open a huge number of tabs at once and/or use lots of extensions and you should be ok |
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| 17:12.23 | Finetundar | SynrG: I might be able to go up to 4. It originally had 4 but 2 channels died |
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| 17:12.29 | SynrG | uggh |
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| 17:12.40 | SynrG | well, 4 is ideal for most desktops these days, but you can get away with 2 |
| 17:12.43 | SynrG | i use 2 at home |
| 17:12.44 | Pseudo | Please one by one |
| 17:12.51 | Pseudo | Affirmative? |
| 17:13.02 | Finetundar | pretty sure The original max was 8 though so /i might can replace the 1gb sticks with 2gb's |
| 17:13.13 | Finetundar | I'm going to go get food |
| 17:13.21 | Pseudo | hi there Finetundar |
| 17:13.32 | Pseudo | Doing well? |
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| 17:15.13 | Finetundar | Pseudo: yes I am |
| 17:15.29 | Pseudo | Let's joined us |
| 17:15.32 | Pseudo | and having some fun |
| 17:15.59 | Finetundar | Um, what? |
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| 17:16.20 | Pseudo | Adam stop spamming me message |
| 17:16.31 | Pseudo | i will help you to solve it |
| 17:16.33 | Pseudo | as i promise |
| 17:16.42 | jhutchins | Pseudo: How about you hang out here for a while and see how this works. |
| 17:17.03 | Pseudo | What does you mean |
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| 17:17.26 | jhutchins | Pseudo: Just watch for a while so you know what this actually is. |
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| 17:19.23 | chozha | tcpman :o |
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| 17:25.29 | Line | I am running Jessie using the CLI on a 100 GB patition and I am trying to put a picture as the background I have these two links http://askubuntu.com/questions/278863/how-do-i-set-up-a-background-image-for-console-in-ubuntu http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=41881&start=45 |
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| 17:29.46 | SynrG | Line: you're using a two-year-old article for a different distro, and a five-year-old article for Debian ... this might not be off to a good start for you. what issues have you encountered? |
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| 17:30.36 | abrotman | SynrG: this is a continuation from last night(different nick), I made the same comment, he ignored me then as well. |
| 17:30.52 | SynrG | sigh |
| 17:30.54 | Line | SynrG: abrotman I answered |
| 17:31.06 | Line | It was all I could find |
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| 17:31.15 | abrotman | Line: I told you last night not to use those articles, not sure why you're still pretending they're going to be useful. |
| 17:31.27 | abrotman | "All I could find" does not mean they're helpful |
| 17:31.44 | SynrG | Line: when all you have is out of date articles / irrelevant ones for other distros, you consult the documentation that comes with Debian itself. |
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| 17:31.55 | Line | abrotman: I am using them to trying finding better articles |
| 17:32.07 | abrotman | "Hi, I'm working on a 2012 Mustang." "Well, I've got a manual for a 1998 Taurus" "Sure, what could go wrong" |
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| 17:33.45 | Pseudo | nice analogy there |
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| 17:34.23 | Line | I am just trying to get a base of information to get a better understanding. If I knew people would be assholes for me trying to some sort of base knowledge I would've gone else where |
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| 17:35.53 | abrotman | Line: Those articles aren't going to be helpful, I said that. Instead, ask folks how one might set the console background with a framebuffer in jessie. Pointing at those will probably lead to confusion |
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| 17:36.23 | mordocai | So ##linux was quiet about this. Anyone know how I can verify whether gpg-agent has actually read the conf from my home directory? I don't think it has but it's possible something else is wrong. Basically I'm trying to debug why my default-cache-ttl doesn't appear to be being set to the value I want. |
| 17:36.38 | mordocai | I'm using the gpg-agent from the repos |
| 17:36.51 | mordocai | On debian testing x86_64 |
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| 17:39.46 | mordocai | Hmmm... I actually think my issue is that I need to also set max-cache-ttl. Still be interested in an answer to the above though. |
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| 17:49.01 | Finetundar | SynrG: You said the command was apt-get install cinnamon-desktop-enviroment right? |
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| 17:51.53 | SynrG | Finetundar: yes, but spelled correctly |
| 17:52.11 | SynrG | !tell Finetundar about install cinnamon |
| 17:52.15 | Finetundar | SynrG: Today is just not my day |
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| 17:52.22 | SynrG | :) |
| 17:54.00 | Finetundar | erm, apt-get install cinnamon-desktop-environment didn't work |
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| 17:54.37 | SynrG | describe "didn't work" |
| 17:54.57 | Finetundar | hang on |
| 17:54.59 | SynrG | this should work fine on jessie and later |
| 17:55.18 | Finetundar | I just ran apt-get upgrade |
| 17:55.42 | SynrG | upgrade only? were you previously on wheezy? |
| 17:56.11 | SynrG | if so, was your sources.list changed to jessie? and did you follow it with 'apt-get dist-upgrade'? |
| 17:56.12 | Finetundar | SynrG: not upgrade only. I ran sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 17:56.28 | SynrG | you need dist-upgrade when upgrading from one release to the next. |
| 17:56.31 | SynrG | as per the release notes |
| 17:56.54 | Finetundar | SynrG: yes I did change my sources list, yes I am on jessie. I've been on jessie since a week after it was made stable |
| 17:57.09 | SynrG | ok. and you did a dist-upgrade at that time? |
| 17:57.19 | Finetundar | SynrG: yes |
| 17:57.32 | SynrG | anyway, i asked you to describe "didn't work". didn't get a satisfactory answer ... |
| 17:58.22 | Finetundar | I'm waiting on it to finish unpacking the new packages |
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| 17:58.50 | SynrG | ok. i'm confused ... |
| 17:58.56 | SynrG | it's not finished and it didn't work? |
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| 17:59.13 | aryklein | I've updated my debian 8 instance (it is running on a Openstack cloud) and it said: "The extlinux package does not ship bootloader integration anymore. If you are upgrading to this version of EXTLINUX your system will not boot any longer if EXTLINUX was the only configured bootloader. Please install GRUB." |
| 17:59.25 | aryklein | why? and what shoud I do? |
| 17:59.28 | Finetundar | no, no. not finished with the packages it got after sudo apt-get upgrade, SynrG |
| 17:59.52 | SynrG | Finetundar: i see. but prior to that, what did "didn't work" look like? some error messages? |
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| 18:00.10 | SynrG | yes, you should be fully upgraded before you install. |
| 18:00.23 | aryklein | does it mean that extlinux will not work anymore? |
| 18:00.29 | SynrG | after that's finish, try installing it again. if it fails again, give us, at paste.debian.net, the command you typed and its output. |
| 18:00.39 | SynrG | aryklein: that's how i read it. |
| 18:01.07 | SynrG | i tried extlinux for a spell on a minimal system, and when i saw that message, i just did as it advised and installed grub instead. |
| 18:01.12 | SynrG | never investigated any further. |
| 18:01.13 | Finetundar | SynrG: I just finished upgrading all packages it could. apt-get install cinnamon-desktop-environment returns "E: Unable to locate package |
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| 18:01.27 | aryklein | SynrG: but.... did you remove extlinux? |
| 18:01.43 | aryklein | SynrG: or you kept both |
| 18:01.52 | aryklein | SynrG: grub + extlinux |
| 18:02.04 | SynrG | i removed extlinux. there was no reason to keep it. but whether or not i kept it, what matters is which one is installed into the boot block |
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| 18:02.34 | SynrG | ,v cinnamon-desktop-environment |
| 18:02.34 | aryklein | SynrG: ok |
| 18:02.35 | judd | Package: cinnamon-desktop-environment on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.4; sid: 2.6.2; stretch: 2.6.2 |
| 18:02.47 | SynrG | Finetundar: are you sure you have a correct sources.list for jessie? |
| 18:02.52 | Finetundar | yes |
| 18:03.20 | SynrG | it most certainly is in the archive. so unless you still have a typo, or your packages.list is not correct, or you didn't successfully 'apt-get update', i don't see what could go wrong |
| 18:03.53 | Finetundar | hmm |
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| 18:05.17 | finetundra2234 | SynrG, let me give a pastebin of my sources list |
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| 18:06.58 | finetundra2234 | SynrG, would you remind me where the sources list is |
| 18:07.02 | SynrG | finetundra2234: might be useful to see the output of 'apt-get update' too, in case there was some issue with a mirror |
| 18:07.06 | SynrG | finetundra2234: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:07.19 | finetundra2234 | ah, one folder too shallow |
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| 18:09.41 | finetundra2234 | SynrG, here's my sources list: http://pastebin.com/BUPKJWXj |
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| 18:16.29 | finetundra2234 | SynrG, I got it I think |
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| 18:17.39 | finetundra2234 | SynrG, I misspelled environment |
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| 18:49.34 | cyph | hey I am trying to troubleshoot some things and I need to see my internal IP in the terminal as well as the internal DNS or gateway. what CLI tool should I be using? i have completely forgotten |
| 18:50.21 | cyph3x | hey I am trying to troubleshoot some things and I need to see my internal IP in the terminal as well as the internal DNS or gateway. what CLI tool should I be using? i have completely forgotten |
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| 18:50.41 | cyph3x | sorry if thats a repost, dunno if this server blocks unidentified handles |
| 18:51.08 | centrx | cyph3x, ifconfig ? |
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| 18:52.44 | cyph3x | ifconfig shows my broadcast IP, which is perfect, but i also need to see my DNS/gateway IP as well. this company is using a custom IP range so the gateway may not be a .1 in the third octet |
| 18:53.03 | markybob | cyph3x, nano -w /etc/resolv.conf for dns |
| 18:53.47 | jhutchins | cyph3x: route -n for gateway |
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| 18:54.17 | cyph3x | jhutchins, perfect. you sexy man |
| 18:54.19 | markybob | cyph3x, cyph3x ifconfig would be something like ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
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| 18:55.33 | jhutchins | markybob: No, that would set the address, not display the current one. |
| 18:55.56 | markybob | jhutchins, i thought he wanted that. must've misread. sorry |
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| 18:57.58 | jhutchins | cyphase: ethtool can also give you useful information. |
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| 19:09.09 | bizarrefish | Lo all |
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| 19:09.19 | bizarrefish | Is there something like rc.local, which runs at the START of the boot process? |
| 19:09.27 | bizarrefish | I want to set a 'booting' LED |
| 19:10.02 | markybob | !init.d |
| 19:10.02 | dpkg | /etc/init.d/ is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <rc.local> <runlevel>. See also <missing lsb tags>. |
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| 19:10.27 | bizarrefish | feels dumb |
| 19:10.38 | bizarrefish | dpkg: Many thanks dpkg, It's been a long day :) |
| 19:10.38 | dpkg | bizarrefish: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 19:10.52 | centrx | !bot |
| 19:10.53 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 19:11.05 | bizarrefish | Ah |
| 19:11.09 | bizarrefish | nice bot |
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| 19:12.49 | bizarrefish | !kill |
| 19:12.53 | bizarrefish | hmm |
| 19:13.04 | jhutchins | bizarrefish: Remember we're on systemd now, rules are different. |
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| 19:13.27 | bizarrefish | jhutchins: my little embedded board isn't. Hell, it's on 2.6.32 |
| 19:13.42 | bizarrefish | I have to say I'm surprised debian moved to systemd |
| 19:13.46 | miskatonic | I switched back to good old sysvinit |
| 19:14.23 | babilen | bizarrefish: Which version of Debian do you run on that thing? |
| 19:14.33 | jhutchins | I'm going through the pains because I need to learn to support it. |
| 19:14.47 | miskatonic | jessie |
| 19:14.47 | jhutchins | It's definitely NOT going on any servers I have a say on. |
| 19:15.16 | miskatonic | oops |
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| 19:16.44 | babilen | fwiw, systemd runs rc.local (cf. /lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service ) |
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| 19:16.52 | bizarrefish | babilen: Lenny |
| 19:17.21 | miskatonic | lenny is three versions behind, right? |
| 19:17.22 | bizarrefish | (I'm building an 'appliance', and this was the latest prebuilt rootfs and kernel I could find for it) |
| 19:17.29 | babilen | bizarrefish: You are, hopefully, well aware that Lenny has not been supported for a long time now |
| 19:17.38 | bizarrefish | babilen: I am certainly not surprised |
| 19:17.45 | babilen | You might want to take a look at embedian |
| 19:17.48 | babilen | dpkg: embedian |
| 19:17.49 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:18.12 | bizarrefish | If I was actually building a product at work or something, I def wouldn't use a years-old debianm |
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| 19:18.28 | bizarrefish | But at home, I value my free time, and nobody's paying me to build things |
| 19:18.31 | bizarrefish | :P |
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| 19:18.52 | miskatonic | so embedian does not count as a derivative? |
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| 19:19.48 | babilen | But regarding the rc.local systemd integration. The unit file I mentioned above mentions "This unit gets pulled automatically into multi-user.target by systemd-rc-local-generator if /etc/rc.local is executable." and is linked from /lib/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants |
| 19:20.22 | bizarrefish | So far for this, i've had to write a bitbanged asynchronous serial driver, and also had to get a wifi driver to build on it. The biggest problem with the latter was that I had to do it from chroot to stop gcc eating up the poor little board's memory |
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| 19:20.43 | bizarrefish | only 32MB on here; it ain't no raspberry pi |
| 19:21.30 | bizarrefish | Also 150MHz CPU. compiling my little driver takes 15-20 secs |
| 19:21.53 | miskatonic | I had toi do with 8MB around the millennium turn |
| 19:22.00 | bizarrefish | O_o |
| 19:22.04 | bizarrefish | What hardware? |
| 19:22.49 | miskatonic | intel pentium I |
| 19:22.53 | bizarrefish | (I've got one of these, btw: https://sites.google.com/site/bifferboard/ ) |
| 19:23.02 | bizarrefish | miskatonic: Ah, so that was your..ahem..workhorse |
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| 19:24.41 | bizarrefish | I guess you wouldn't normally get an embedded computer with 8MB of RAM back then |
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| 19:25.24 | miskatonic | it sounds a lot for an embeded thing even now |
| 19:25.29 | bizarrefish | I've got a sunblade 1000 somewhere; that was from around that time, though I believe it retailed at many many thousands of dollars |
| 19:25.43 | bizarrefish | miskatonic: Depends what you mean by 'embedded' :P |
| 19:25.56 | bizarrefish | Systems we have at work have 256/512MB |
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| 19:26.42 | bizarrefish | Mainly industrial SCADA-type things not really doing much 'work', but people seem to find a use for all of those bytes nevertheless |
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| 19:27.49 | bizarrefish | Though the other day, I had the pleasure of messing with an AVR chip. Different kind of 'embedded'. |
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| 19:33.58 | jhutchins | Gentlemen, this seems to have strayed off the topic of Debian Support. Perhaps #debian-offtopic? |
| 19:34.14 | aryklein | after installed grub2 into my debian 8, it is loggin to my ttyS0 |
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| 19:34.34 | aryklein | the journal |
| 19:34.38 | aryklein | any idea? |
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| 19:36.01 | breadmonster | Hey guys. |
| 19:36.07 | jhutchins | aryklein: Is there a problem? |
| 19:36.34 | aryklein | jhutchins: for me... yes |
| 19:36.46 | breadmonster | I'm a linux n00b and I'm considering switching to Debian. |
| 19:36.48 | aryklein | jhutchins: do you know how to disable it |
| 19:37.00 | breadmonster | But like I have a question or two, so could someone help me out? |
| 19:37.08 | markybob | !ask |
| 19:37.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:37.11 | breadmonster | Like, what's the difference between unstable, testing and stable? |
| 19:37.18 | jhutchins | aryklein: Disable debian? |
| 19:37.46 | jhutchins | aryklein: More nound, fewer pronouns. |
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| 19:37.55 | jhutchins | s/nound/nouns/ |
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| 19:37.59 | markybob | breadmonster, stable is stable and old (unless you use backports). testing is much newer but less stable. unstable is the newest and often, as the name suggests, unstable |
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| 19:38.33 | markybob | breadmonster, newbies should always use stable |
| 19:38.33 | jhutchins | breadmonster: Testing is for testing packages and integration working toward the next stable release. |
| 19:38.41 | aryklein | jhutchins: are you kidding me? I mean disable logging to my ttyS0 |
| 19:38.41 | greycat | "Stable" means there are no new version of things added until the next release, typically about 2 years apart. |
| 19:38.54 | jhutchins | breadmonster: It is expected to be broken occasionally, and to remain broken until a proper fix is found. |
| 19:39.32 | miskatonic | there are still security updates |
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| 19:39.45 | jhutchins | breadmonster: Sid/unstable is a repository for packages heading for testing. It is expected to be broken on a regular basis, although some people swear they do actual work with it. |
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| 19:48.10 | greycat | aryklein: Debian 8 already installs grub 2.x by default... what exactly did you do? |
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| 19:49.58 | aryklein | greycat: I'm using the pre-build debian image for Openstack. It comes with extlinux, and the last upgrade says to use grub2 cause extlinux will not support bootloader code: "The extlinux package does not ship bootloader integration anymore. If you are upgrading to this version of EXTLINUX your system will not boot any longer if EXTLINUX was the only configured bootloader. Please install GRUB." |
| 19:50.33 | aryklein | greycat: now I have installed grub2 and it works, but the journal goes to my tty0 |
| 19:51.02 | jhutchins | aryklein: Oh, you mean the syslog? Or are you talking about boot messages? |
| 19:51.03 | greycat | I take it Openstack is some kind of VPS provider company? |
| 19:51.18 | aryklein | jhutchins: syslog |
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| 19:51.44 | greycat | ...? now I'm all kinds of confused. |
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| 19:51.50 | greycat | I thought you said grub was logging stuff. |
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| 19:52.22 | aryklein | greycat: nop... in conclusion: after install grub2 I see all syslog in my tty0 |
| 19:52.36 | jhutchins | aryklein: That has nothing to do with grub. |
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| 19:52.51 | jhutchins | aryklein: Are you sure it's syslog, not boot messages? |
| 19:53.01 | greycat | The only thing I can imagine grub might have changed is the kernel boot command line. |
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| 19:53.17 | greycat | I'm not aware of any direct connection between the kernel command line and syslog. |
| 19:53.30 | aryklein | jhutchins: yes. For example: I see sshd auth fail attempts |
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| 19:53.43 | ZitZ | hi, i'm in gdb -tui, and when i press the up or down arrow it scrolls the source. How do I go back to scrolling the previous typed commands? |
| 19:53.49 | jhutchins | greycat: You can, of course, tell the syslog daemon to write to a specified console, but by default it only writes critical messages to them. |
| 19:53.57 | greycat | aryklein: well, the obvious first place to look is /etc/rsyslog.conf |
| 19:54.08 | greycat | assuming your VPS provider is even using rsyslog |
| 19:54.08 | jhutchins | aryklein: Look at your /etc/(r)syslog.conf |
| 19:54.24 | aryklein | debian 8 uses journal |
| 19:54.30 | aryklein | systemd journal |
| 19:54.31 | jhutchins | aryklein: That is not a debian default. |
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| 19:55.00 | aryklein | jhutchins: ok... I thought that cause it comes with systemd |
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| 19:55.08 | breadmonster | Also, you hear that Debian usually has outdated software. Is that the case, or just a myth? |
| 19:55.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | definitely the case. |
| 19:55.25 | jhutchins | aryklein: I mean writing to the console is not a default. systemd is. |
| 19:55.34 | greycat | breadmonster: Define "outdated". If you're under the age of 20, it's probably true, because most youngsters think 2 year old software is out of date. |
| 19:55.36 | ZitZ | breadmonster: not really. sid is pretty bleeding edge |
| 19:55.48 | breadmonster | greycat: Haha I am. |
| 19:55.50 | bizarrefish | It's alright for some things. I've had headaches using it on the desktop, though. But using bleeding edge gives me other kinds of headaches |
| 19:55.56 | bizarrefish | What should I do?! |
| 19:56.01 | jhutchins | breadmonster: Not entirely true. Debian applies patches so that the version number of a debian package doesn't mean it's the same code as the upstream version of the same number. |
| 19:56.05 | greycat | Whereas most people over the age of 40 think 2 year old software is great, because maybe THIS ONE WILL FRIGGIN' WORK. |
| 19:56.09 | ZitZ | stable is outdated, but it has gotten better in recent years. And that has value. Stability has value. |
| 19:56.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm 33 and i love coding assembly. but debian is ancient. |
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| 19:56.34 | breadmonster | Okay, so like what's the difference between say Debian and Fedora? |
| 19:56.38 | aryklein | jhutchins: soved: ForwardToConsole=yes -> ForwardToConsole=no --> in /etc/systemd/journald.conf |
| 19:56.42 | breadmonster | I'm running Fedora and I get all the latest packages. |
| 19:56.51 | bizarrefish | Fedora is the exploding operating system |
| 19:56.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | fedora is totally broken. |
| 19:57.01 | breadmonster | NoImNotNineVolt: How so? |
| 19:57.04 | bizarrefish | Debian is old, but doesn't explode as much |
| 19:57.09 | greycat | Why would you WANT all the latest packages? |
| 19:57.16 | greycat | Latest = buggy. |
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| 19:57.28 | bizarrefish | breadmonster: Many packages in Fedora simply don't work. |
| 19:57.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | beyond the scope of an irc discussion. many people agree that fedora is broken. |
| 19:57.31 | markybob | breadmonster, it's what you have to pay for something that's rock solid. it's worth it. |
| 19:57.50 | bizarrefish | Anything from codecs producing garbage, to things not compiling. |
| 19:57.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | and indeed, there's a tradeoff between stability and novelty. debian errs on the side of stability. |
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| 19:58.43 | jhutchins | Fedora is supposed to be broken, it's Red Hat's version of sid/testing. |
| 19:59.00 | aryklein | jhutchins: and by default it comes with this |
| 19:59.02 | greycat | aryklein: default Debian /etc/systemd/journald.conf file is all commented out |
| 19:59.12 | breadmonster | jhutchins: Interesting...I've never had any issues with Fedora though, so like is Linux THAT stable? |
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| 19:59.32 | aryklein | greycat: seems that the Openstack pre-built image comes with this uncommented |
| 19:59.36 | bizarrefish | greycat: I want the latest packages because of my laptop's NVIDIA optimus graphics setup. Debian won't initialize graphics properly. Debian also doesn't support my touchscreen |
| 19:59.51 | greycat | bizarrefish: for specific hardware needs, use backports |
| 20:00.05 | jhutchins | breadmonster: It can be. |
| 20:00.11 | ZitZ | linux is pretty stable. When i first started it wasn't uncommon to install updates and not be able to boot. But i've also gotten a lot better at figuring out those problems when they do happen. |
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| 20:00.34 | bizarrefish | ZitZ: ditto. Fedora was particularly bad for that |
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| 20:01.33 | bizarrefish | greycat: That probably would make sense. Though it's awkward to set up backports when your screen doesn't work :P |
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| 20:02.18 | bizarrefish | My lappy doesn't even have a serial port |
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| 20:02.26 | jhutchins | aryklein: Usually when you have a conf file like that (all commented) it's showing what the compiled defaults are. Official debian has "#ForwardToSyslog=yes" |
| 20:02.27 | vev_ | i m looking for people who have spare time to help me on semantic form / Je cherche des gens qui ont du temps pour m'aider sur semantic form - /contact me on the new project #libreidea |
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| 20:02.44 | jhutchins | aryklein: So (r)syslogd should be managing where the output goes. |
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| 20:05.22 | aryklein | jhutchins: I don't understand why debian is using systemd-journald and rsyslog :/ |
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| 20:06.21 | greycat | Debian 8 is really a transitional thing. A lot of packages and infrastructure are not fully committed to systemd yet. |
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| 20:12.35 | jhutchins | greycat: I think that's true of the whole linux community, not just Debian. |
| 20:12.44 | greycat | fair point |
| 20:12.45 | jhutchins | greycat: systemd is a moving target too. |
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| 20:14.43 | jhutchins | aryklein: I think it's mostly because while journal can configure some aspects of how information is output, it doesn't (yet?) have the ability of a syslogd to configure things like where the output goes by category. |
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| 20:16.01 | jhutchins | aryklein: syslogd - especially the newer ones like rsyslogd - have some pretty cool capabilities including remote logging. |
| 20:16.17 | greycat | remote logging has been a staple feature of syslogs forever |
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| 20:16.33 | head8debian | Hello all, i installed the kernel from backports with headers, and went to use virtualbox today, and got this error. Im running debian Jessie. https://paste.debian.net/311116/ |
| 20:16.48 | head8debian | Uhm, there is more. |
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| 20:17.26 | jhutchins | head8debian: WIthout looking at the specific error, I would guess that VB needs to recompile something for the new kernel. |
| 20:17.30 | head8debian | http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09092015-041704pm.php |
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| 20:17.40 | aryklein | jhutchins: I think rsyslog is going to die. It's about time. It is just an supposition :| |
| 20:17.41 | greycat | HP-UX 10.20 syslogd(1M) describes remote host logging, and is dated December 1999 |
| 20:18.03 | head8debian | I have DKMS installed. |
| 20:18.12 | head8debian | This is just makign no sense to me. |
| 20:18.46 | jhutchins | head8debian: DKMS has been known to be unreliable on kernel updates. You may need to trigger it manually. |
| 20:19.01 | head8debian | It triggered, i know that much. |
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| 20:19.28 | head8debian | I even uninstaleld vb and reinstalled it, and watched DKMS and do its lengthy thing. |
| 20:19.36 | head8debian | but im sure its worth the try. |
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| 20:20.05 | head8debian | jhutchins: How do i trigger it? |
| 20:20.20 | jhutchins | I can't read your screenshot, it's too small. |
| 20:20.40 | head8debian | hmm |
| 20:20.50 | jhutchins | !vbox |
| 20:20.50 | dpkg | Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free software virtual machine solution. To install, see https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox or ask me about <vbox-install jessie>, <vbox-install wheezy>. http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox rename>, <vbox guest>, <vbox extpack>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>. |
| 20:21.28 | head8debian | Well, it says "kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908)" |
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| 20:22.00 | jhutchins | head8debian: I don't know how to trigger dkms, it didn't work the first time I tried it so I've always found a different solution whenever it came up. |
| 20:22.00 | head8debian | And they give me into on how to reinstall the kernel module, but it doesnt work. |
| 20:22.08 | head8debian | hmm, ok. |
| 20:22.37 | jhutchins | head8debian: That could also mean that the kernel module is not the right version for this kernel and won't load. |
| 20:23.03 | jhutchins | head8debian: If you're on a backport kernel, boot back to the original and see if it works, then check to see if vbox supports the newer kernel. |
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| 20:24.44 | head8debian | Ok, i will try that. thanks. |
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| 20:36.20 | head8debian | jhutchins: Installign the latest virtualbox version seems to have fixed it. |
| 20:37.09 | jhutchins | head8debian: Yay! |
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| 20:37.18 | phale | can I drop packets that have a specific "message" in them? |
| 20:37.56 | greycat | sounds like a #netfilter question |
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| 20:39.13 | head8debian | jhutchins: Odd that backports doesnt have a newer version... :-/ |
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| 20:39.20 | phale | greycat: sure ill ask there |
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| 20:43.06 | jhutchins | head8debian: Maybe you should request one. |
| 20:43.20 | head8debian | jhutchins: I can do that? |
| 20:43.35 | jhutchins | Hmmm. I should be getting flooded with backports mail since I turned procmail off. Must've broken something. |
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| 20:52.47 | jhutchins | Looks like the list's been pretty quiet. |
| 20:53.04 | jhutchins | head8debian: Yep. Check out the backports page, there's a link there somewhere on how to request. |
| 20:53.21 | jhutchins | head8debian: If nobody tells you something is broken, it's hard to fix it. |
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| 20:54.15 | pythonsnake | hey |
| 20:54.45 | pythonsnake | i want to get a ssl cert to secure a webamil at mail.example.org |
| 20:55.05 | pythonsnake | should I get a cert for example.org or mail.example.org? |
| 20:55.18 | pythonsnake | because the mails are in username@example.org format |
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| 20:56.47 | asterismo | hi ppl |
| 20:57.00 | asterismo | can i use the same SSL cert for apache and for imap mail server? |
| 20:57.43 | RoyK | asterismo: the cert is bound to the hostname, not the application |
| 20:57.57 | asterismo | ok |
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| 21:00.11 | gefdecue | 161.20 MB/sec reading speed for an ssd, is that possible ? |
| 21:00.21 | pythonsnake | yes |
| 21:00.54 | gefdecue | pythonsnake: its the sata2 port right? |
| 21:01.00 | pythonsnake | 3 |
| 21:01.03 | gefdecue | still it should have at least 250 or something |
| 21:01.24 | pythonsnake | no just kidding |
| 21:01.26 | pythonsnake | what ssd is that |
| 21:01.34 | pythonsnake | did you get a chinese knockoff |
| 21:01.40 | gefdecue | pythonsnake: evo 840 samsung |
| 21:02.11 | zir0faive | wai |
| 21:03.42 | pythonsnake | gefdecue: where did you buy it |
| 21:04.04 | gefdecue | pythonsnake: from a decent computer store |
| 21:04.12 | gefdecue | its my laptop that is almost 8 yrs old |
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| 21:04.27 | pythonsnake | hm I've read a while ago that evo had some speed issues |
| 21:04.29 | pythonsnake | related to firmware |
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| 21:04.43 | gefdecue | right |
| 21:04.52 | pythonsnake | yup just read about it again on google |
| 21:05.08 | gefdecue | my system upgraded to debian 8 and i think i need to run teir software to install te firmware again |
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| 21:06.05 | juul | is it possible to run debian jessie on a pre 2.6.32 kernel? |
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| 21:07.00 | jhutchins | juul: Why? |
| 21:07.11 | valdyn | juul: should work, but only without systemd |
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| 21:07.48 | Mohamed_DZ | How can I install xfce on debian 8? just install xfce4? |
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| 21:08.00 | jhutchins | !install xfce |
| 21:08.01 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet connection may be required to obtain these packages. |
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| 21:08.10 | charliegreen | Hello! I am having some troubles with DNS |
| 21:08.30 | charliegreen | I have internet access, I just can't resolve domains |
| 21:08.50 | charliegreen | I'll post a pastebin shortly |
| 21:08.56 | juul | valdyn: cool! |
| 21:09.05 | jhutchins | charliegreen: How did you configure DNS? |
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| 21:09.12 | juul | jhutchins: i only have a 2.6.29 kernel for this device |
| 21:09.25 | bagbobilgins | found myself in apt-hell for a bit this afternoon |
| 21:09.31 | jhutchins | juul: What architecture? |
| 21:09.39 | juul | jhutchins: arm |
| 21:09.40 | bagbobilgins | policykit-1 messed me up |
| 21:09.51 | bagbobilgins | hopingly all fixed now |
| 21:09.57 | jhutchins | juul: Do they have the rest of the system at jessie? |
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| 21:10.22 | juul | jhutchins: it's running a minimal buildroot system. i'm wanting to install jessie instead |
| 21:10.30 | d34df00d | Hi there! |
| 21:10.58 | charliegreen | jhutchins: I haven't touched the DNS settings before, so idk what's happening |
| 21:10.59 | d34df00d | I'm running a Debian-based build host to ensure my project is buildable on Debian Unstable, and due to various reasons I have to compile my project with clang. |
| 21:11.00 | charliegreen | http://pastebin.com/a3RahWzz |
| 21:11.06 | bagbobilgins | heard that in Eddie the ship computer's voice, d34df00d |
| 21:11.06 | jhutchins | juul: What I'm asking is if jessie is available for arm. I would think there would be libraries that would have to be arm-compatible at the least. |
| 21:11.23 | d34df00d | Recently I noticed that clang builds fail, seemingly due to https://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=23529 |
| 21:11.27 | juul | jhutchins: oh yeah there's a nice arm build of jessie |
| 21:11.36 | jhutchins | charliegreen: So it's probably supposed to get it from DHCP? |
| 21:11.57 | d34df00d | I just wanted to know if the community is aware of this (as, AFAIK, clang-enabled builds are more or less a focus for Debian), and, if so, if there are any workarounds available. |
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| 21:12.14 | juul | yeah actually i see that jessie is still on the older glibc 2.19 which supports kernels older than 2.6.32 |
| 21:12.27 | juul | it wasn't until glibc 2.20 that they dropped support for that |
| 21:12.33 | jhutchins | charliegreen: cat /etc/rsolv.conf - anything there? |
| 21:12.40 | d34df00d | The failure manifests itself as something like this when trying to link to, say, boost libraries: |
| 21:12.42 | d34df00d | https://bpaste.net/show/57ecdadcd1d0 |
| 21:12.45 | juul | funny that latest stable buildroot is using a newer glibc than debian stable |
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| 21:13.28 | charliegreen | jhutchins: just a moment, I'll cat /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf and put it in a pastebin (the internet said nsswitch might be important?) |
| 21:14.06 | gefdecue | anyone here using SSD samsung evo 840 ? |
| 21:14.07 | jhutchins | charliegreen: No, nsswitch is not important unless you've messed with it. |
| 21:14.14 | charliegreen | jhutchins: http://pastebin.com/pxrTPFt0 |
| 21:14.21 | charliegreen | jhutchins: alright, I haven't |
| 21:14.30 | jhutchins | gefdecue: Yeah, some guy was just talking ... oh, that's you. |
| 21:15.12 | charliegreen | Though resolv didn't have that last line until a few minutes ago, when I added it and restarted. Didn't fix anything. |
| 21:15.26 | jhutchins | charliegreen: Ok, so dig @68.105.28.12 google.com |
| 21:15.36 | charliegreen | (on my network everything's 192.168.29.*) |
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| 21:15.56 | jhutchins | charliegreen: repeat for the other nameservers. |
| 21:17.02 | gefdecue | yes i noticed that fkin samung has firmware update for windows, mac, but they keep quiet about linux :( |
| 21:17.10 | BuFF | hi, who can tell me how to install redmine? |
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| 21:17.23 | charliegreen | jhutchins: http://pastebin.com/hWRuD9VT |
| 21:17.32 | juul | BuFF: http://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/HowTo_Install_Redmine_using_Debian_package |
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| 21:18.28 | charliegreen | jhutchins: should I delete the other nameservers and reboot? |
| 21:18.47 | charliegreen | (or just restart networking) |
| 21:18.58 | BuFF | juul: did u tried that guide? |
| 21:19.04 | jhutchins | charliegreen: Comment them out, don't need to restart anything. |
| 21:19.15 | jhutchins | charliegreen: resolv.conf is read fresh each lookup. |
| 21:19.23 | charliegreen | .conf, so comments are #? |
| 21:19.31 | jhutchins | charliegreen: You may still be getting bad servers from your DHCP server. |
| 21:19.51 | jhutchins | !resolvconf |
| 21:19.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, resolvconf is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Many packages including ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, pump, pdnsd, dnsmasq, ... are compatible with resolvconf, making it easier to manage your DNS settings. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>. See also <resolv.conf>. |
| 21:20.19 | jhutchins | charliegreen: Yes, that's standard for a bash config file. |
| 21:20.26 | BuFF | juul: i mean isn't this guide obselete? |
| 21:20.29 | jaggzt | how do you install a new python module (mp4)? |
| 21:20.42 | jhutchins | !redmine |
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| 21:21.00 | jhutchins | Ah, finally something the bot doesn't know. |
| 21:21.08 | BuFF | !redmine |
| 21:21.25 | charliegreen | jhutchins: mmk, wasn't sure if it was bash. It seems to work now, though! Thank you! |
| 21:21.29 | jhutchins | BuFF: That's a query to our infobot dpkg. |
| 21:21.53 | jhutchins | charliegreen: It would also probably work if that server was first on the list. |
| 21:22.10 | jhutchins | charliegreen: Many things won't retry past the third or second server. |
| 21:22.37 | charliegreen | jhutchins: huh, alright. Thank you! |
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| 21:26.28 | juul | BuFF: i don't know. why do you expect it's obsolete? |
| 21:27.12 | juul | BuFF: here's another guide http://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/HowTo_Install_Redmine_on_Debian_8_with_Apache2-Passenger |
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| 21:29.02 | jhutchins | Looks like it should be something like aptitude install redmine redmine-<database> |
| 21:29.26 | jhutchins | Being a complex mailsystem, configuring could be interesting. |
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| 21:30.47 | jhutchins | Oh, I was thinking it was a web-based email system, must've been something else. |
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| 21:38.09 | Iridos | jhutchins, it's a... wiki/calendar/task-planner/collaborative-wossname |
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| 21:38.30 | Iridos | I think the term may be "groupware" |
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| 21:43.34 | teraflops | SOGo is fine too, also horde + addons |
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| 22:15.55 | grill | hey. how can i tell if a package is pinned? also, do all of the pinned package's dependencies also get pinned? |
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| 22:19.56 | ansible1 | hey all; got a question re this experimental package "ghc_7.10.2-2_armhf.deb", which is available here: https://packages.debian.org/experimental/armhf/ghc/download |
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| 22:20.55 | ansible1 | I followed the directions (I think) and added "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main" to my /etc/apt/sources.lst |
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| 22:21.51 | ansible1 | then did "sudo apt-get update". But I don't see a likely candidate for the ghc_7.10.2-2... package |
| 22:22.02 | ansible1 | apt-cache search only shows regular ghc. |
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| 22:22.12 | ansible1 | if I install ghc its the old version |
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| 22:22.44 | ansible1 | anyway I guess my question is should that package show up in apt-cache search? am I doing it wrong? |
| 22:22.47 | bagbobilgins | apt-get install *package*/experimental |
| 22:23.07 | bagbobilgins | you're sure it's in experimental? |
| 22:23.10 | grill | anyone? |
| 22:23.25 | ansible1 | well, I can download the deb file from that page, I know tat |
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| 22:23.42 | ansible1 | installing with dpkg -i reveals missing dependencies |
| 22:24.00 | markybob | ansible1, did you do -t experimental ? |
| 22:24.11 | ansible1 | how can I search for the package name to use with /experimental? |
| 22:24.25 | ansible1 | would it be apt-get install ghc/experimental? |
| 22:24.44 | markybob | ansible1, no. read the wiki. apt-get -t experimental install packagename |
| 22:25.03 | markybob | ansible1, if you can't read the wiki you probably shouldn't be using experimental |
| 22:25.06 | ansible1 | how do I find out the packagename? |
| 22:26.33 | markybob | ansible1, apt-cache search foo |
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| 22:26.59 | bagbobilgins | you can -t experimental on apt-cache search, I believe, also |
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| 22:27.05 | ansible1 | ok will try. |
| 22:27.15 | markybob | i wish you wouldn't. but have fun |
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| 22:28.24 | ansible1 | well my reason for installing debian is to use this package. |
| 22:28.27 | vektorweg | i made huge mistake. |
| 22:29.11 | ansible1 | yay, worked! |
| 22:29.20 | ansible1 | ghc 7.10.2 |
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| 22:29.29 | bagbobilgins | yw |
| 22:29.44 | grill | anyone in here know how i;'d go about pinning php? |
| 22:29.50 | vektorweg | i hard stopped the installation because i choosed the wrong desktop. too bad, i already deleted the heavy part of grub. |
| 22:29.52 | ansible1 | thx all |
| 22:29.59 | jhutchins | is it still possible to upgrade lenny to squeeze? |
| 22:30.31 | jhutchins | !pinning |
| 22:30.31 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 22:30.53 | markybob | jhutchins, sure |
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| 22:31.04 | markybob | !lenny->squeeze |
| 22:31.13 | markybob | damnit |
| 22:31.15 | markybob | !lenny->squeeze |
| 22:31.19 | vektorweg | can someone point me a grub for download, i can load from my grub rescue cli? |
| 22:31.20 | markybob | okay then |
| 22:31.30 | jhutchins | markybob: Aren't the main sources on archive now? |
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| 22:31.46 | grill | !backports |
| 22:31.47 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 22:33.01 | grill | ok. I want to use a previous version with a new OS |
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| 22:33.33 | jhutchins | grill: Of PHP? |
| 22:33.45 | grill | yes. i need php 5.3 |
| 22:33.52 | markybob | that's a terrible idea |
| 22:33.55 | jhutchins | ,v php |
| 22:33.56 | judd | No package named 'php' was found in amd64. |
| 22:33.57 | grill | yes. it is |
| 22:33.59 | jhutchins | ,v php5 |
| 22:34.00 | judd | Package: php5 on amd64 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3.1-7+squeeze27; wheezy-security: 5.4.44-0+deb7u1; wheezy: 5.4.44-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.6.7+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.9+dfsg-1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.12+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.12+dfsg-0+deb8u1; stretch: |
| 22:34.01 | judd | 5.6.12+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.12+dfsg-1 |
| 22:34.48 | jhutchins | grill: What about just running squeeze? |
| 22:34.53 | grill | i don't have a choice at the moment. so, how do I pin to 5.3.3.7. |
| 22:35.07 | jhutchins | grill: Is that currently installed? |
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| 22:35.15 | grill | I want to install node.js on this machine, and the installer requires wheezy |
| 22:35.18 | grill | yes, it is |
| 22:35.37 | jhutchins | grill: Pinning keeps something where it is, it's not meant to install something old on a new system. |
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| 22:36.06 | grill | so, I can do apt-get upgrade with a pinned php5 and i'll be set, yes? |
| 22:36.11 | jhutchins | grill: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 22:36.27 | jhutchins | grill: Yes. You may get dependency hell, but you can try it. |
| 22:36.38 | grill | hm |
| 22:36.45 | grill | perhaps i'll just install node from git |
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| 22:39.21 | jhutchins | grill: People often do. |
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| 22:39.32 | grill | seems like the least painful method |
| 22:39.49 | jhutchins | ,v squirrelmail |
| 22:39.50 | judd | Package: squirrelmail on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:1.4.21-2; squeeze-security: 2:1.4.21-2; wheezy: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2; sid: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2; jessie: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2; experimental: 2:1.5.1-5 |
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| 22:56.06 | fakhir | hello. I am trying to use Debian on AWS EC2. I am choosing a 20GB EBS but I am always getting a root file system of 8GB. I can't seem to find a solution. |
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| 22:57.24 | DebrisRat | hi alls |
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| 23:35.58 | gefdecue | where can i find firwmare update for my SSD samsung evo 840 ? (on the samsung page they have for win and max only) |
| 23:36.04 | gefdecue | mac* |
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| 23:38.38 | abrotman | gefdecue: you'd probably ask them .. how would we know? |
| 23:38.56 | abrotman | gefdecue: alternately, try ##hardware. It's not something related to Debian |
| 23:39.34 | gefdecue | abrotman: ok |
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| 23:40.50 | markybob | gefdecue, want me to /msg you a method since it's offtopic? |
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| 23:44.00 | gefdecue | markybob: sure |
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