| 00:00.55 | asterismo | i think i got it |
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| 00:03.57 | Voyage | What is the best place to make a folder that is intended to be share with all users on a machine? |
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| 00:06.32 | themill | Voyage: wherever you'll remember to include it in your backups. I'd probably punt for either /srv/shared or /home/shared |
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| 00:08.57 | Voyage | thanks |
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| 00:47.46 | asterismo | it is roundcube in debian jessie repos? |
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| 00:49.59 | Brigo | v roundcube |
| 00:50.05 | Brigo | ,v roundcube |
| 00:50.06 | judd | Package: roundcube on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.3.1-6; squeeze-backports: 0.7.2-9~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.7.2-9+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.7.2-9+deb7u1; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 0.9.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 0.9.5-1~bpo70+1; stretch: 1.1.2+dfsg.1-3; sid: 1.1.2+dfsg.1-3 |
| 00:50.23 | Brigo | asterismo, no, it isn't. |
| 00:50.55 | squinty | asterismo, or you can search at https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages too |
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| 00:52.44 | asterismo | is there at least a roundcube replacement in jessie repos? |
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| 01:00.28 | millican | I'm having some problems with the fan in my Thinkpad. It stays at 500RPM, give or take just a few, even up to 100C when I can smell that something's wrong. |
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| 01:00.52 | SirLagz | millican: is the fan dusty? |
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| 01:01.00 | millican | No. |
| 01:01.06 | millican | That's a good suggestion though. |
| 01:01.43 | millican | I just can't get it to speed up. On the previous install, I could hear it when it got warm. |
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| 01:02.00 | SirLagz | no idea then. laptops are finicky things |
| 01:02.22 | strayPuppy | fans die out |
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| 01:03.10 | SirLagz | strayPuppy: true, but generally they either work or don't work, unless they're dying a dust death |
| 01:03.50 | millican | I try not to have it flat on a table until it's fixed. |
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| 01:04.18 | SirLagz | millican: I'm assuming you've checked the fan to make sure it still spins freely etc? |
| 01:04.51 | millican | Yes. It does still spin, and I do believe the 500RPM from sensors. |
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| 01:06.00 | SirLagz | millican: try disable ACPI and see if it spins full speed? |
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| 01:06.44 | millican | I'll take a look at that. Thanks. |
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| 01:08.26 | strayPuppy | some barely work, if I could only count how many fans I've replaced over the years. |
| 01:09.09 | strayPuppy | replacing a fan now, is better than replacing a cpu later. |
| 01:09.30 | WormFood | how many times have you seen a bad fan, cause the cpu to fail? |
| 01:09.51 | strayPuppy | Many |
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| 01:10.06 | markybob | fail? not just lock up and replacing the fan fixes it? never |
| 01:10.17 | strayPuppy | wanna buy a dead laptop I got for sale? |
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| 01:10.43 | strayPuppy | Wow |
| 01:10.44 | WormFood | I had one instance, many many years ago, where one of my machines got a wire stuck in the fan, and it probably ran like that for 2-3 days. When I noticed it, it didn't run at it's rated speed anymore. If I underclocked it, it'd work. |
| 01:11.17 | WormFood | when I say "it ran like that for 2-3 days", I don't mean it was functional. |
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| 01:11.40 | WormFood | I just mean it was overheating for 2-3 days, before I noticed the problem. |
| 01:11.53 | strayPuppy | yep, so just die altogether |
| 01:11.57 | WormFood | I've seen many, many, many north bridge, and GPUs on laptops go bad over the years. |
| 01:12.00 | strayPuppy | *some |
| 01:12.00 | WormFood | but it didn't die |
| 01:12.13 | WormFood | that was my point. It ran at a reduced speed. Which I found amazing. |
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| 01:12.44 | strayPuppy | you got sort of lucky, i guess |
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| 01:12.57 | WormFood | I had another instance, where a 2.8 Ghz cpu I was overclocking to 3.3 Ghz, had it's fan mount break, and that quickly shutdown, but after that, I could not overclock it to the same speed. It'd only work at 3.1 Ghz |
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| 01:13.34 | WormFood | Heat definitely can damage the CPU...but I've *never* seen it kill a cpu dead. |
| 01:13.42 | strayPuppy | many transistors failed. |
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| 01:17.17 | srg | I'm having some trouble with IPv6 connectivity on my Debian VPS. I can ping6 outgoing FROM the VPS, (to google.com), but cannot ping TO the VPS ("address unreachable") |
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| 01:18.07 | WormFood | sounds like it's probably a network issue, and not a debian issue. |
| 01:18.14 | WormFood | Did you has your VPS provider? |
| 01:18.30 | WormFood | has=ask* |
| 01:19.29 | markybob | srg, how are you connecting to the vps to ping google? |
| 01:19.36 | srg | I hypothesized that it is a configuration issue on the VPS, which is why I thought #Debian would be appropriate |
| 01:19.37 | srg | markybob: ssh |
| 01:19.41 | srg | over ipv4 |
| 01:20.01 | markybob | srg, so it's just ipv6 doesn't work? |
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| 01:20.23 | srg | markybob: IPv6 incoming, yeah. I can ping6 out just fine |
| 01:20.48 | srg | (which is weird, because it requires a response) |
| 01:21.26 | srg | I also used one of those "ipv6 website test" websites to confirm the error (i'm trying to get nginx to listen on ipv6) |
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| 01:26.26 | WormFood | srg, I suggest you contact your VPS provider, and ask them to confirm there isn't a problem on their side of the network. |
| 01:27.34 | srg | hm, alright. thanks |
| 01:27.46 | markybob | srg, if you can ping6 it seems like the networking is okay and you just have a ngix config issue |
| 01:28.16 | markybob | srg, i'd try #nginx |
| 01:28.25 | WormFood | nginx responds to pings? |
| 01:28.46 | WormFood | not being able to ping ipv6, I can't imagine would have anything to do with the web server. |
| 01:28.59 | WormFood | er, I mean, not being pingable. |
| 01:29.36 | asterismo | well |
| 01:29.44 | srg | yeah, i'm getting a destination unreachable |
| 01:29.49 | srg | which seems to be to be a routing error |
| 01:29.51 | asterismo | i need help on setting up a mailserver with postfix/dovecot and squirrelmail |
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| 01:32.24 | srg | asterismo: https://guglielmo.us/cs/postfix.html is a good guide. doesn't include squirremail, but covers postfix pretty well |
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| 01:43.01 | nickgaw | Hi, With debian wheezy as /etc/inittab does not exist and as I wish to setup automatic login on my personal laptop which file do I edit? |
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| 01:46.00 | themill | nickgaw: how did you manage to make a wheezy installation without /etc/inittab? |
| 01:47.28 | nickgaw | If I go into /etc I see no inittab file this system is currently running now. |
| 01:47.45 | themill | are you sure it's wheezy |
| 01:48.12 | dvs | looks for the HIMEM.SYS file |
| 01:48.24 | nickgaw | it is debian linux version 8. |
| 01:48.39 | themill | so not wheezy... jessie |
| 01:49.13 | nickgaw | ok I got the name wrong yes jessie and there is no /etc/inittab file so where do I look for the getty lines? |
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| 01:50.00 | themill | ttys are created when needed by the init system |
| 01:50.48 | nickgaw | so what file should I edit to have getty autologin a user account? |
| 01:50.55 | themill | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Automatic_login_to_virtual_console |
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| 01:53.34 | leftStanding | i have a mostly fresh install of Debian 8 and i was amazed at how many ports are open on all interfaces. |
| 01:54.03 | nickgaw | did you install lots of servers? |
| 01:54.12 | dvs | leftStanding: so enters netfilter. |
| 01:54.18 | dvs | or iptables |
| 01:54.25 | dvs | or whatever it's called toda |
| 01:54.27 | leftStanding | i've only picked ssh server from the text install wizard and i see port 38038, 53392, 46559, 48910, 44885, 1900, 997 |
| 01:54.27 | dvs | y |
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| 01:54.48 | leftStanding | nickgaw: just ssh |
| 01:54.58 | nickgaw | the default debian install if you change nothing will install printer servers which I can see for some users as kind of annoying. |
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| 01:56.36 | nickgaw | you mean to do the auto login? this is a laptop I use at home that I only use so I wish to auto login to it when it boots on tty1 on the console. |
| 01:56.45 | themill | leftStanding: sounds like a long way from a fresh install at that stage |
| 01:57.16 | ZitZ | having some issue starting an unpriviledged container, 694 call to cmanager_move_pid_sync failed: invalid request |
| 01:57.40 | leftStanding | yeah, i'm tempted to go through the install process again and check with netstat -tul again |
| 01:57.52 | themill | leftStanding: but you're the one with the box so you can look right now at what processes are doing what |
| 01:58.26 | leftStanding | themill: yep, i've been using lsof to coordinate process names. |
| 01:58.36 | themill | netstat has a -p option |
| 01:59.22 | nickgaw | my question is why does debian not use the normal /etc/inittab file anymore? |
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| 01:59.39 | themill | nickgaw: inittab is specific to sysvinit and you're not using sysvinit there. |
| 01:59.50 | ZitZ | because we moved to systemd |
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| 02:00.15 | nickgaw | so where in this new system can I find the getty lines to setup the auto login on tty1? |
| 02:00.37 | themill | nickgaw: did you look at the information I provided? |
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| 02:10.18 | millican | I think there is an acpi problem with the fan, but I've got a workaround. |
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| 02:14.12 | nickgaw | I looked at this arch wiki page and found the proper @getty files but do I add the code snipit at the end of the file as no .conf file exists? |
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| 02:18.53 | nickgaw | I looked at this arch wiki page and found the proper @getty files but do I add the code snipit at the end of the file as no .conf file exists? |
| 02:19.25 | nickgaw | and just one getty exists for tty1. |
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| 02:33.59 | leftStanding | nickgaw, themill: i dug deeper, installed a base system with only ssh selected, ran netstat -tulp and saw 3 additional ports belonging to dhclient |
| 02:34.33 | leftStanding | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/1176046 this provides a starting point for further research |
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| 02:35.58 | ryouma | does /boot have to match /root? that is, if i have a backup of /boot and a current /root, am i ok? |
| 02:37.01 | leftStanding | ryouma: need to clarify the question /root is the super user's home directory, /boot is where boot info is stored |
| 02:37.19 | leftStanding | and / is at the top of the hierarchy, it also depends on your mount points |
| 02:37.20 | ryouma | oops, my error. let me rephrase: |
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| 02:38.12 | ryouma | i have a separate /boot and root (i.e. /). does /boot have to match root? that is, if i have a backup of /boot and a current root, am i ok? |
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| 02:38.44 | ryouma | i backed up /boot, and then overwrote root with my current root, and have no backup. i want to be sure that i will be able to reboot. |
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| 02:39.35 | ryouma | my question is really, does the stuff on /boot have to match anything else in the system? |
| 02:41.01 | leftStanding | ryouma: there's a good chance that will work, to verify though i would take a look at the grub configuration file |
| 02:41.19 | ryouma | what should i look for there? |
| 02:41.30 | ryouma | my sole goal is to not be stuck with a non-bootable system |
| 02:41.39 | BlackDevil | hi to all |
| 02:42.02 | leftStanding | ryouma: i'm taking a look, because it's been awhile myself, give me a moment |
| 02:44.06 | leftStanding | ryouma: check out /boot/grub/grub.cfg and take a look at the line set root='/dev/sda1' |
| 02:44.49 | ryouma | ok, set root='(/dev/sdb,msdos1)' |
| 02:45.52 | leftStanding | ryouma: ok and your new/current root is on the same drive? |
| 02:46.04 | ryouma | yes |
| 02:46.10 | ryouma | it's luks though |
| 02:46.50 | leftStanding | ok, using the same kernel? |
| 02:47.11 | ryouma | how do i check that? |
| 02:47.48 | ryouma | btw i've been having serious troubles with using /dev/disk/by-id in /etc/*tab and booting in jessie (it has obscure errors and does not boot) even though it seems to usually work in wheezy. it is as if /dev/disk/by-id became unsupported in jessie and is sometimes unsupported in wheezy. |
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| 02:48.13 | aarcov_ | I would advise using UUID instead |
| 02:48.24 | leftStanding | ryouma: /boot is the same, so the kernel should be the same |
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| 02:49.10 | leftStanding | ryouma: i would also say, that even if there is an issue, understanding/using grub or a boot cd will help |
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| 02:49.25 | leftStanding | now with luks i hope you have the key/passphrase for that thing |
| 02:49.49 | ryouma | i think that uuid might lead to errors because it is not human-readable |
| 02:49.56 | ryouma | human errors |
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| 02:51.02 | leftStanding | ryouma: have a boot cd handy, just in case if things go wrong? |
| 02:51.07 | leftStanding | i would make one now |
| 02:52.00 | socomm | Is there a way to fool nmap's OS fingerprinting? |
| 02:52.04 | ryouma | the issue is more that i have encountered about 20 separate bugs in booting, and another 5 separate user errors on my part, with more possibly there that i don't know about, so i don't have confidence that booting works well. good idea, but all of the boot cds that i tried were either inaccessible (i need large fonts) or seriously broken with respect to being able to be usable. for example, grey on grey unreadable |
| 02:52.05 | ryouma | , or stuff just doesn't work. suggestions for a good boot cd? |
| 02:52.05 | socomm | I was reading about ' |
| 02:52.28 | socomm | I was reading about 'IP personality' patch but it seems that its only applicable for 2.4.x kernels. |
| 02:52.43 | ryouma | (i tried debian live, grml, debian install) |
| 02:52.57 | ryouma | (and i looked for knoppix but it seems obsolete) |
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| 02:56.30 | leftStanding | ryouma: ubuntu? i wish i could rattle off more options than ubuntu/debian remixes. |
| 02:57.24 | ryouma | i will try to find out if ubuntu has a rescue disk |
| 02:57.34 | leftStanding | it looks like distrowatch.com is still a thing |
| 02:58.16 | leftStanding | ryouma: best of luck on the reboot, i'm heading to bed |
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| 02:58.24 | ryouma | thanks |
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| 03:01.53 | ryouma | one more question. i noticed that the kernel in my backup has a different sha1sum from the kernel in my running system. they are the same filename. why would that occur? |
| 03:02.15 | ryouma | wouldn't the filename change if they changed? |
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| 03:03.15 | letsfindout | filenames don't matter in hashs |
| 03:03.20 | letsfindout | just the data |
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| 03:04.19 | letsfindout | if the kernel in your backup has a different sha1sum than the kernel on your system, then they're not the same kernel |
| 03:04.51 | letsfindout | or, to be more specific, they're not bit identical files. They're different |
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| 03:13.10 | ryouma | clearly they are different. but the question is why would i have two kernels with the same name taht are different? |
| 03:13.28 | ryouma | this is not a sha1sum question |
| 03:13.45 | ryouma | it is a kernel update question |
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| 03:17.37 | markybob | ryouma, this is amd64? |
| 03:18.00 | Katinawa | exit |
| 03:18.05 | dvs | !quit |
| 03:18.05 | dpkg | try /quit |
| 03:18.11 | Katinawa | thx |
| 03:18.14 | Katinawa | :) |
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| 03:20.53 | markybob | ryouma, you can try https://wiki.debian.org/SameKernel |
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| 03:24.03 | ryouma | markybob: that's great. i was asking though about this case; in ordinary debian upgrades, is it normal to have a kernel with the same filename change? i do not compile kernels. |
| 03:24.17 | ryouma | i do approve of deterministic compilation, however :) |
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| 03:34.05 | shadowswalker | hello, I want some help about dosemu. I installed it to run dos programs, is there any method to make alias of program or is there any bin directory to place program which will be accessible from anywhere.. |
| 03:35.24 | markybob | !alias |
| 03:35.25 | dpkg | Bash alias? Do 'help alias' and read 'man bash', also see your ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc for examples of aliases. |
| 03:35.51 | markybob | i've never used or heard of dosemu...but that's how you make an alias |
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| 03:36.24 | iio7 | I am running Debian Jessie, getting some FAIL during boot that /proc hasn't been mounted, how do I solve that? |
| 03:36.52 | iio7 | I tried running bootlogd to catch the messages afterwards, but it isn't logging anything. |
| 03:37.11 | somiaj | markybob: dos emulator |
| 03:37.41 | markybob | somiaj, i figured when he said it was to run dos programs :P |
| 03:37.53 | somiaj | shadowswalker: you can either make an alias or write a small launcher script. I personally add $HOME/bin to my $PATH for small launcher scripts, but if youw ant the whole system to get them /usr/local/bin is a good place (: |
| 03:38.26 | somiaj | iio7: can you mount proc manually? 'mount -t proc proc /proc' |
| 03:39.04 | somiaj | iio7: not sure why it isn't mounting as you don't need to put that in /etc/fstab or anything to get it to mount, but I would at least see if manually mounting it gives you any errors |
| 03:39.21 | ryouma | update-initramfs -u -k all is complaining that the initrd has been modified, and suggests -t. then i run it with -t in addition, and it STILL complains. |
| 03:39.52 | iio7 | I am getting some other strange mount problems as well from kernmount (as I remember), I must try a reboot then pause to see what errors are being send out. |
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| 03:44.43 | iio7 | Getting some "/etc/init.d/udev 166: /etc/init.d/udev: mountpoint: not found", same with mountdevsubfs.sh and mountkernfs. |
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| 03:44.48 | iio7 | During boot. |
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| 03:45.26 | somiaj | iio7: are you using systemd or sysvinit? |
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| 03:45.43 | iio7 | sysvinit |
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| 03:46.04 | somiaj | iio7: how did you switch from systemd to sysvinit? Was this a fresh install of jessie or an upgrade from wheezy->jessie? |
| 03:46.08 | somiaj | !remove systemd |
| 03:46.08 | dpkg | To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc> |
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| 03:46.52 | iio7 | This is a long running system, I removed systemd following that very description when Jessie came out. |
| 03:47.17 | somiaj | iio7: so this is a working system that you installed jessie on and removed systemd and everything was working...can you think of what could have changed? |
| 03:47.35 | iio7 | somiaj, I am not sure. |
| 03:47.35 | somiaj | iio7: I don't see any obvious thing to look at, so figure maybe talking to you about it might spark an idea of the culrpit |
| 03:48.09 | markybob | iio update-initramfs -u -k all and then reboot ? |
| 03:48.35 | iio7 | markybob, will try that. |
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| 03:51.22 | partman | Hi |
| 03:51.26 | ZitZ | hi |
| 03:51.46 | partman | I'm trying to fsck an NTFS drive from (an external HDD) as I have errors that Windows isn't able to correct and I need to recover some data. |
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| 03:52.00 | partman | Can someone please help? I've tried running a "sudo fsck.nfs -p /media/sdc1" but that only says "/media/sdc1: NFS file system." in return |
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| 03:52.33 | ZitZ | partman: i'm assuming you mean ntfs? |
| 03:52.34 | somiaj | partman: because that is nfs not ntfs |
| 03:52.48 | partman | Yes, I mean NTFS but I thought the command was NFS |
| 03:52.58 | ZitZ | yeah, that's a problem |
| 03:53.06 | somiaj | partman: I don't think ntfs has a fsck option. If you have ntfs-3g installed, I think if you try to mount it it will give you an option to repair if it cna't mount it |
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| 03:53.13 | somiaj | partman: yea NFS = network file system is not the same thing |
| 03:53.15 | markybob | partman, ntfsfix /dev/sdax ? |
| 03:53.25 | markybob | partman, oh, i misread |
| 03:53.28 | markybob | nevermind |
| 03:53.40 | ZitZ | you need ntfsprogs installed if i recall |
| 03:53.42 | markybob | guess that means it's bedtime. see ya |
| 03:53.44 | partman | If I try "sudo fsck.ntfs -p /media/sdc1", it says "sudo: fsck.ntfs: command not found" |
| 03:53.55 | partman | Yes I have ntfsprogs installed |
| 03:54.06 | somiaj | partman: look at the ntfs-3g package, I do see an /bin/ntfsfix that might work. |
| 03:54.39 | partman | OK I will try installing that right now |
| 03:54.43 | somiaj | partman: I am not seing ntfsprogs pacakge. |
| 03:54.43 | ZitZ | yes ntfsfix |
| 03:54.56 | ZitZ | you need to be root |
| 03:55.02 | somiaj | partman: I use ntfs-3g for my ntfs needs (it is a bit better driver of fuse than the one in the kernel) |
| 03:55.22 | partman | I already have ntfs-3g : "ntfs-3g is already the newest version." |
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| 03:55.59 | partman | so I need to just run a "sudo ntfsfix /media/sdc1" in this case? |
| 03:56.19 | markybob | partman, but it says sudo not found. that's a problem. su then do ntfsfix /media/sdc1 |
| 03:56.22 | somiaj | that must be what you mean by ntfsprogs, as I don't see that package, in wheezy it was a transitional package. |
| 03:56.28 | somiaj | partman: I would man ntfsfix first |
| 03:57.45 | somiaj | "ntfsfix is NOT a Linux version of chkdsk." You may need windows utilities to fix that filesystem, but the package ntfs-3g will have tools available on linux |
| 03:58.20 | partman | OK, done |
| 03:58.22 | partman | I got some output |
| 03:58.28 | partman | May I paste a pastebin link here? |
| 03:58.36 | ZitZ | yes |
| 03:59.10 | partman | http://pastebin.com/yELzqtrH |
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| 03:59.36 | markybob | partman, oops. /dev/sdc1. not media |
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| 04:00.16 | ZitZ | you probably want /dev/sdc |
| 04:00.30 | partman | Oh yes. Its trying to mount the file volume now. |
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| 04:00.45 | partman | Are there any attributes that I can pass which will also do error fixing apart from just checking? |
| 04:01.46 | somiaj | partman: as I said read the man page for ntfsfix, it really isn't a full fixing utiltiy. You may need windows to have a full chkdsk utility for ntfs by windows |
| 04:01.55 | somiaj | it only fixes some common errors |
| 04:02.20 | ZitZ | yes, and now hopefully you can mount it and get some data back |
| 04:03.03 | partman | OK, I will do that. The problem is that Windows 7 chkdsk takes days to run, and one isn't really sure if anything is actually happening at all |
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| 04:03.14 | partman | But that should hopefully make recovering some data easier. |
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| 04:03.30 | ZitZ | it also schedules a check for next time the drive is started on Windowssssss |
| 04:03.48 | ZitZ | how big is the drive? |
| 04:04.01 | partman | 1 TB |
| 04:04.24 | ZitZ | it shouldn't take days to run, sounds like your drive must be close to failiure |
| 04:04.35 | ZitZ | i would mount it on linux and get as much data as you can now |
| 04:04.45 | partman | I will do exactly that. |
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| 04:04.54 | ZitZ | mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdc3 /media/nameofdrive |
| 04:05.28 | ZitZ | i would probably add -o ro to that to make it read only |
| 04:06.09 | ZitZ | and you'll have to mkdir /media/nameofdrive don't know how linux savy you are |
| 04:06.24 | asterismo | hey ppl, what is the best looking webmail engine for debian jessie? |
| 04:06.31 | asterismo | like roundcube and so on |
| 04:07.16 | partman | Not very much, but some googling should help I hope. |
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| 04:08.10 | markybob | asterismo, https://www.mailpile.is/ is cool. have to build from source though |
| 04:08.16 | partman | Thank you so much! |
| 04:08.18 | ZitZ | yes, there is plenty written about ntfs and ntfs-3g, ntfs is built into the kernel, ntfs-3g is a userspace driver using fuse. You really only need ntfs-3g for writing, the kernel driver handles reading quite well which is all you need. |
| 04:08.28 | ZitZ | no problem. Good luck! |
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| 04:09.12 | n0c | wooooo waves crashing through testing :) |
| 04:09.41 | partman | thanks somiaj as well. I'll try your suggestions, goodbye |
| 04:10.19 | asterismo | markybob: it is easy to config? i would have postfix+dovecot in debian 8 jessie |
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| 04:15.48 | markybob | asterismo, join #mailpie |
| 04:16.00 | markybob | asterismo, join #mailpile |
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| 04:18.10 | Chocolate_Chip | Where is the default startpage in Iceweasel |
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| 04:18.30 | Chocolate_Chip | I am making a custom landing page, and I want to use that file to edit it. |
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| 04:20.49 | ZitZ | Chocolate_Chip: you can set the start page in the preferences and make it whatever you want. |
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| 04:21.03 | Chocolate_Chip | I'm making a ricing script |
| 04:21.09 | Chocolate_Chip | That's why I need to know |
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| 04:23.09 | Chocolate_Chip | ZitZ, |
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| 04:24.44 | somiaj | Chocolate_Chip: it will change on system to system, but I think the config stuff is somewhere in .mozilla/firefox/<some key>.default/, you can get the list of keys in the profiles.ini file |
| 04:24.58 | Chocolate_Chip | k |
| 04:25.27 | markybob | i think it's a jar file |
| 04:26.14 | markybob | when i click on view source on the title bar i get file:///iceweasel/browser/omni.ja!/chrome/browser/content/browser/abouthome/aboutHome.xhtml |
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| 04:26.38 | markybob | oops. file:///usr/lib/iceweasel/browser/omni.ja!/chrome/browser/content/browser/abouthome/aboutHome.xhtml |
| 04:27.25 | markybob | so good luck with that |
| 04:27.33 | je-m`en-foutiste | screw chrome |
| 04:27.41 | je-m`en-foutiste | and chromium |
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| 04:27.55 | markybob | je-m`en-foutiste, that's iceweasel, but nice try |
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| 05:03.33 | iio7 | Where are the Debian documentation on systemd? The wiki is extremely lacking. |
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| 05:06.49 | veek | i'm getting fuse: writing device: Invalid argument with ntfs-3g on jessie :( how do i fix this.. i can't install from unstable.. |
| 05:07.00 | veek | i can only mount ro |
| 05:07.26 | veek | and even that borks |
| 05:08.00 | iio7 | veek, what command are you throwing at it? |
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| 05:09.04 | veek | ntfs-3g -o debug,ro /dev/sda4 /mnt |
| 05:09.08 | veek | and then ls /mnt |
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| 05:22.49 | foreverska | how do you autoremove with apt |
| 05:23.18 | asterismo | what ports should i open for a mail server? |
| 05:24.10 | foreverska | 23 |
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| 05:24.38 | vrkalak | foreverska, you don't |
| 05:24.48 | foreverska | whoops, 2 away. |
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| 05:25.11 | vrkalak | foreverska, sudo apt-get rm- |
| 05:25.12 | foreverska | Uhhhh... I thought apt was the successor of apt-get. How does it not have auto-remove |
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| 05:59.07 | Haxxa | I moved from Win 10 to Debain testing - need windows at work and oh my gnome 3 with debian is fast - really happy with it :) |
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| 05:59.48 | foreverska | Very cool. |
| 06:00.15 | pragomer1 | hi. I have a config file (for hostapd)... and I get the error "invalid line ' ' " for every line that is a breaking line.. so an empty line.. what could be wrong? |
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| 06:01.04 | somiaj | pragomer1: sure it is empty and doesn't have a space in it that the config parser is not liking? |
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| 06:01.44 | pragomer1 | wait.. I will post the file.. |
| 06:02.21 | pragomer1 | http://pastebin.com/j1bVbE7W |
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| 06:02.27 | pragomer1 | thats the config |
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| 06:02.57 | Haxxa | Suggestions for good font for IRC client - reading general - foss based |
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| 06:03.31 | somiaj | Haxxa: I like irssi |
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| 06:03.47 | somiaj | good font, sorry not good irc client. What irc client are you using? |
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| 06:04.08 | Haxxa | Hexchat |
| 06:04.13 | DrDisconsented | Quassel |
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| 06:05.06 | somiaj | I just stick with default fonts mostly, so no suggestions there, but apt-cache search font should give you various options and if you dont nave non-free enabled they are all free fonts, so you can find one you like |
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| 06:05.39 | Flexy123 | My other dvb-t card stopped working. [58900.073513] xc2028 1-0061: Reading firmware /lib/firmware/xc3028-v27.fw |
| 06:05.42 | Flexy123 | [58900.074901] xc2028 1-0061: Error: firmware /lib/firmware/xc3028-v27.fw not found. |
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| 06:05.56 | Flexy123 | but the firmware file is there |
| 06:06.24 | Flexy123 | I dont understand why it is not "found" |
| 06:07.01 | somiaj | Flexy123: are you sure that you don't sy have -v26.fw (a sligthly different version)? Double check the permsisions of the file? |
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| 06:07.53 | Flexy123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.53 | Flexy123 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 65K Sep 6 14:56 /lib/firmware/xc3028-v27.fw |
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| 06:08.23 | jmcnaught | pragomer1: from your paste it looks like every blank line has a space on it, maybe you need to remove those? |
| 06:08.36 | pragomer1 | ok.. I try it.. |
| 06:08.49 | somiaj | Flexy123: could it be that you need the firmware in yoru initd image and that error is comming from before the root filesystem is mounted? |
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| 06:10.00 | Flexy123 | somiaj: the system tries to load the firmware pretty many times, according to dmesg... and it used to work without any fiddling for a year or 3 |
| 06:10.33 | somiaj | Flexy123: I am unfmailar with the hardware you are using, but I see xc2028 driver, but the firmware is xc3028 (just making sure this is correct) |
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| 06:10.41 | somiaj | Flexy123: did you recentally have a kernel upgrade? |
| 06:11.10 | Flexy123 | I might have, I ran aptitude update and upgrade last week |
| 06:11.27 | somiaj | Flexy123: what version of debian are you running? |
| 06:11.43 | somiaj | Flexy123: wonder if you updated your kernel but not the firmware, the error is just misleading but the reason is you need updated firmware. |
| 06:11.44 | Flexy123 | root@htpc:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:11.47 | Flexy123 | stretch/sid |
| 06:12.36 | Flexy123 | somiaj: dont think thats the case, the firmware has been the same for years, afaik |
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| 06:13.09 | somiaj | I do know sid is extra buggy these days, as for this error, I would look at if the kernel was upgraded maybe the firwmare was upgraded. Maybe try booting off an old kernel. |
| 06:13.31 | pragomer1 | yes... remove the space characters worked ! Thank you so much |
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| 06:14.01 | Flexy123 | somiaj: I'll have to try to install older kernel then, I have only this one in /boot |
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| 06:15.22 | Flexy123 | somiaj: cant remember how to downgrade, as aptitude search linux-image does not show older kernels...? |
| 06:15.26 | somiaj | Flexy123: snapshot.debian.org is useful for installing older packages and checking. I don't see why it is not finding that file. It could be the error is missleading (it fails for another reason but that is the error that gets returned), could be something with a newer kernel vs older firmware. |
| 06:15.32 | Flexy123 | ah, ok |
| 06:15.50 | somiaj | Flexy123: unless you removed the older kenels they should still be isntalled. If you don't run apt-get clean that often, check /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 06:17.42 | Flexy123 | somiaj: ok |
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| 06:18.20 | Haxxa | currently I have 100 packages kept back on debain testing - should I apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 06:18.40 | jwd | if you realy want to use testing. |
| 06:18.55 | somiaj | Haxxa: I would avoid that, but the gcc5 transition hit testing and right now there are a lot of broken dependencies (or at least I keep hearing people finding some) |
| 06:19.26 | jwd | you can always use stable and use backports for realy needed components |
| 06:19.29 | Haxxa | somiaj, any direct news or links |
| 06:19.41 | somiaj | !tell Haxxa about gcc transition |
| 06:20.23 | Haxxa | jwd I use stable on servers I need testing for my ux305fa and need of 3.16 gnome |
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| 06:21.10 | oxachloren | dpkg 8.2 |
| 06:21.10 | dpkg | Debian 8.2 was released on September 5, 2015. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive. Further details are at https://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150905 and http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
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| 06:23.58 | jwd | haxxa nearly everything of 3.16 is in stable |
| 06:24.27 | Haxxa | jwd Have you been sky diving? |
| 06:24.36 | jwd | https://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.16-status.html |
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| 06:25.13 | jwd | sorry reading wrong. well to few coffee |
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| 06:25.45 | Haxxa | Life involves risk - debain 4 works fine too but we all must progress - move fast and break things |
| 06:26.11 | Zipf | Hi, i'm new with linux. I'm running Wheezy. I have my second HD set to automont on start. But, its not showing on desktop. I have the option to display external and mounted drivers ticked, but still i cant see it on desktop, but i know its mounted and working fine. |
| 06:26.21 | Zipf | http://pastebin.com/QfRWuz01 |
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| 06:26.28 | Zipf | its my blkid, mount and fstab, anyone could take a look and give me an idea why i cant see it on my desktop ? |
| 06:26.45 | oxachloren | Maybe because it's just not shown on your desktop? |
| 06:26.46 | Haxxa | jwd I appreciate stability but for my laptop rprefer new features as this is daily driver |
| 06:26.50 | Haxxa | brb |
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| 06:28.46 | Zipf | oxachloren, what u mean ? sorry, i'm new, i've followed a tutorial for that |
| 06:29.02 | oxachloren | Can you see your HDD in file manager? |
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| 06:31.19 | Zipf | oxachloren no |
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| 06:31.41 | oxachloren | But it's mounted, are you sure of that? |
| 06:31.41 | tralala | Zipf, the desktop thing probably works only for detachable disks. However you can always make a shortcut (symlink) on the desktop pointing to the mount point. |
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| 06:32.00 | oxachloren | And add shortcut into your file manager too. |
| 06:32.06 | oxachloren | This will work fine too. |
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| 06:33.06 | Haxxa | SO gparted has been kept back if I attempt to update it removes gnome |
| 06:33.32 | Zipf | yes, i'm aware of the shortcut, but just happened after i did dist-upgrade, before that, the hd was showint fine on desktop |
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| 06:39.26 | somiaj | Haxxa: correct, gcc5 breaks depends and abi compadability. Many packages are not yet gcc5 compadable in testing as this transition progesses. If you start installing the gcc5 packages, the non compadable ones will be removed. Might be best to get the system running and wait a bit for the transition to complete |
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| 06:45.25 | tralala | Zipf, maybe it shouldn't be in fstab in order to appear automatically on the desktop |
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| 06:50.10 | pragomer1 | hi. I configured raspbian as a wlan access point.. Via Smartphone I can connect to wlan but not to internet... and the router has internet access... could you help me? |
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| 06:51.33 | pragomer1 | is there something wrong with this "interfaces": http://pastebin.com/faqYG5D6 |
| 06:52.11 | tralala | pragomer1, did you enable ip forwarding on the raspberry? |
| 06:52.42 | Zipf | tralala but if i remove it from fstab, it will not automont during restart, right ? |
| 06:53.02 | pragomer1 | I dont know. How can I check/do that? |
| 06:53.13 | tralala | Zipf, yes |
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| 06:53.37 | tralala | pragomer1, hmm you're doing bridging, but I'm not sure this works with wireless. |
| 06:53.59 | pragomer1 | according to many tutorials I found it should work I hope |
| 06:54.47 | pragomer1 | My smartphone cannot connect to Wlan I see.. does not take the passcode.. |
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| 06:55.46 | mzf | pragomer1: please pate the output of 'ip r' command |
| 06:55.49 | mzf | dpkg: paste |
| 06:55.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 06:56.28 | pragomer1 | http://pastebin.com/ncTe2TMQ |
| 06:56.34 | pragomer1 | here mzf |
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| 06:57.52 | mzf | pragomer1: try this: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o br0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 06:58.13 | pragomer1 | and the reboot ? |
| 06:58.22 | pragomer1 | or restart network? |
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| 06:58.30 | mzf | no |
| 06:58.30 | veek | what does this mean(the repo scrwd up?) E: Release file for http://debian.mirror.net.in/debian/dists/jessie-backports/InRelease is expired (invalid since 322d 22h 7min 0s |
| 06:58.33 | mzf | should just work |
| 06:59.24 | mzf | pragomer1: and also check that ip forwarding is enabled with 'sysctl -p' |
| 06:59.31 | tralala | is packet forwarding enabled by default? |
| 06:59.32 | pragomer1 | no sorry.. my smartphone says "saved" .. but when I go to "connect" it does not work |
| 06:59.43 | mzf | tralala: nope |
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| 07:00.01 | mzf | pragomer1: then check 'sysctl -p' |
| 07:00.04 | pragomer1 | http://pastebin.com/uggp8pjb |
| 07:01.24 | pragomer1 | that is my hostapd.conf... is that ok? http://pastebin.com/BJV8i1c9 |
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| 07:02.20 | mzf | you said you can connect to wifi with your phone, so i guess it is |
| 07:02.32 | pragomer1 | no i was wrong |
| 07:02.37 | pragomer1 | i cannot connect |
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| 07:02.51 | pragomer1 | i thought so |
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| 07:03.39 | mzf | i'm not familiar with that |
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| 07:04.19 | mzf | fwiw, ip forwarding should be enabled too |
| 07:04.42 | RDash | forwards pragomer1 |
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| 07:05.43 | veek | ?? Failed to fetch http://mirrors.ispros.com.bd/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-amd64/Packages Hash Sum mismatch |
| 07:05.46 | tralala | pragomer1, at what stage does the connection fail? While waiting for IP? |
| 07:05.55 | veek | man, picking the fastest repo is a pain |
| 07:06.01 | veek | is the repo broken? |
| 07:06.18 | RDash | repo is broken veek |
| 07:06.30 | RDash | gives me a 404 |
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| 07:07.29 | veek | thanks RDash |
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| 07:07.41 | RDash | veek, np |
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| 07:11.18 | veek | is there a tool to check repos to see how retarded they are |
| 07:11.22 | pragomer1 | tralala: dont know how to check that.. the smartphone just does not connect.. |
| 07:11.33 | pragomer1 | maybe I should try to connect from a laptop.. wait a second |
| 07:12.00 | RDash | veek, there is no real rating over repo´s |
| 07:12.27 | pragomer1 | tralala: if it helps, heres my ifconfig: http://pastebin.com/kxpxZC6n |
| 07:13.03 | RDash | veek, you can easily generate a new repo list in your nearest area which are probably one of the best |
| 07:13.07 | veek | RDash, yeah but like can i do 'testrepo' and get a list of repos that all work with indexes in the correct place and no pkg mismatch errors |
| 07:13.32 | RDash | veek, http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 07:13.44 | veek | RDash, well i tried netselect-apt and that gave me some 10 repos which are causing problems |
| 07:13.55 | RDash | veek, holy shit :| |
| 07:14.15 | RDash | Luckily I am in The Netherlands were we have great repo´s :) |
| 07:14.19 | pragomer1 | how can I connect to a wlan from terminal so that I could see error messages? |
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| 07:14.43 | RDash | veek, hopefully this one is more up to date: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-sources-list-generator.html |
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| 07:15.43 | veek | RDash, that tool's listing jessie as "testing" |
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| 07:15.53 | RDash | veek, hrm ;| |
| 07:16.02 | RDash | their not that up to date any more :< |
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| 07:19.26 | pragomer1 | when trying to connect with sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid $MYSSID key $MYPASSWORD I got error "Error for wireless request SET ENCODE 8B2A" |
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| 07:19.53 | foreverska | What does that mean? |
| 07:21.04 | foreverska | Also, >using wep |
| 07:21.22 | foreverska | *wpa |
| 07:21.31 | tralala | pragomer1, you are connecting from another computer, right? |
| 07:21.39 | pragomer1 | yes I do |
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| 07:22.01 | pragomer1 | I now have my laptop for trying to connect.. and my raspi.. thats all |
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| 07:24.24 | tralala | pragomer1, for the time being disable wireless security and try connecting again |
| 07:24.55 | pragomer1 | where can I disable wifi security? |
| 07:25.08 | pragomer1 | in hostapd.conf? |
| 07:25.58 | tralala | yes |
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| 07:28.32 | chozha | hello how to start an application with admin privilege ?? by default |
| 07:29.17 | chozha | if i run sudo app , it launches the app as root user not as default normal user with sudo access |
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| 07:29.46 | chozha | any ?? |
| 07:30.08 | koollman | chozha: with admin privilege would be "as root user". What's the problem you are trying to solve ? |
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| 07:31.56 | chozha | i have give sudo privilege to my normal user (chozha) , if i run an app (sudo app) , it should launch as chozha ? na , but it running as root |
| 07:32.06 | oxachloren | Well that |
| 07:32.10 | koollman | chozha: that's what I would expect it to do |
| 07:32.14 | oxachloren | Well that's how it works. |
| 07:32.20 | chozha | O.o |
| 07:32.23 | chozha | dude |
| 07:32.24 | chozha | ? |
| 07:32.33 | koollman | chozha: sudo privilege usually means 'able to launch stuff as root'. (or as someone else, it depends) |
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| 07:33.09 | chozha | I had some issues with gns3 |
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| 07:34.20 | chozha | koollman: how to run an app as administrator by default ? |
| 07:34.34 | oxachloren | Root is an administrator. |
| 07:34.40 | oxachloren | Use sudo. |
| 07:34.44 | chozha | i know oxachloren O.o |
| 07:34.46 | koollman | chozha: what kind of issues are you having with gns3 ? |
| 07:35.11 | oxachloren | What problem are you trying to solve exaclty? |
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| 07:35.38 | chozha | leme take snap and send |
| 07:35.42 | veek | ist here a tool that you just run and generate a complete sources.list (backports, testing, stable etc) with keys added etc |
| 07:35.53 | veek | for your location |
| 07:36.04 | Mmike | chozha: administrator = root. |
| 07:36.14 | Mmike | 'run as admin' equals 'run as root' |
| 07:36.14 | oxachloren | Most of them are outdated, veek. |
| 07:36.20 | Mmike | which is where sudo helps |
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| 07:37.20 | chozha | :( |
| 07:37.29 | mzf | chozha: sudo has switches. man sudo and read about -s or -i |
| 07:37.55 | chozha | mzf: okay !!! |
| 07:38.06 | Mmike | although, you often don't want to run stuff as root. |
| 07:38.25 | Mmike | esp not the web browser, office-suite programs, IDEs and such |
| 07:39.52 | at0m | on linux, root can wipe the disk it's on. it doesn't compare to Admin on windows. |
| 07:40.06 | at0m | root is way more powerful |
| 07:40.30 | at0m | use it only when there's no other option |
| 07:40.34 | oxachloren | No shit, Sherlock. |
| 07:40.43 | at0m | :p |
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| 07:42.04 | aaro | at0m: so in Windows, Administrator user can't wipe the disk? |
| 07:42.22 | oxachloren | Starting from 7, you cannot simply wipe the disk. |
| 07:42.30 | oxachloren | If I recall correctly. |
| 07:42.31 | at0m | aaro: not the one in use as far as i understand |
| 07:43.08 | aaro | interesting, haven't used windows since XP |
| 07:43.13 | oxachloren | inb4 discussing Windows admin privileges on Debian channel |
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| 07:43.19 | at0m | aaro: same |
| 07:43.35 | at0m | oxachloren: or more, how admin compares to root |
| 07:43.37 | aidaa | Windows has privileges? |
| 07:44.23 | at0m | yes, to get airgapped :o |
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| 07:46.48 | Mmike | aidaa: windows actually don't exists. It's what mean people use to scare their FLOSSed kids when they won't eat their cereal. |
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| 07:47.08 | korhojoa | oxachloren: you can. |
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| 07:48.37 | aidaa | I'm happy to announce I deleted my Windows partition yesterday. |
| 07:49.16 | korhojoa | congratulations |
| 07:50.41 | korhojoa | I haven't done that yet. I am seriously considering not upgrading my install to 10 and just installing something like esxi or xenserver on my machine. just forward gpu to the vm and then i can have as many os's running as i want |
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| 07:53.52 | aidaa | I had way too many issues with 10. All hardware related issues. |
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| 07:58.05 | babilen | I am pleased that you decided to use Linux in lieu of Windows, but I'll still kindly ask you to continue this discussion in #debian-offtopic |
| 07:58.28 | pragomer1 | tralala: I found out I have problems with these two lines in my hostadp.conf: rsn_preauth=1 and rsn_preauth_interfaces=wlan0 |
| 07:58.55 | pragomer1 | tralala: hardware is an edimax wlan dongle |
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| 08:32.48 | tralala | pragomer1, did you disable the security yet? |
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| 08:37.29 | pragomer1 | tralala... yes.. with disabled security it works... |
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| 08:46.57 | bumbar__ | i've added a group to user, set chmod to 775 but the user can't edit files in the directory whose group owner is set to that group |
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| 08:49.15 | maveas | bumbar__: did you set chmod recursively with -R ? |
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| 08:50.00 | bumbar__ | maveas, yeah |
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| 08:52.48 | internat | wanna pb the output of ls -al |
| 08:53.02 | internat | and "id user" where the user is the user that cant write |
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| 08:57.09 | songe | hello, I installed my window manager BEFORE installing xorg, might that cause a problem? or is the order not really important before reboot? |
| 08:57.38 | foreverska | The order is hardly important _after_ a reboot |
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| 08:59.16 | foreverska | I cannot tell you how many reboots of an arch system I do trying to figure out which xorg or wm or de package I forgot to install |
| 09:00.57 | songe | lol |
| 09:01.00 | bumbar__ | internat, https://dpaste.de/TDoY |
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| 09:01.34 | nhatirc | hi |
| 09:01.55 | nhatirc | need some help with ssh-agent |
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| 09:02.13 | nhatirc | i don't want to use it anymore, but it still process a pid |
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| 09:02.19 | aaro | foreverska: what? no need to reboot for that |
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| 09:03.52 | ChrisH | bumbar__: and which file does not act as expected? Please show command used as this specfic user, incl. the error message. |
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| 09:06.12 | foreverska | well aaro I keep rebooting hoping I finally did it right and it will boot in to the WM correctly. "Oh it was just this" *defiant reboot* "Oh... crap" |
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| 09:06.49 | aaro | foreverska: you can just log-out/log-in :) |
| 09:07.31 | foreverska | doesn't have the same ring as sudo reboot |
| 09:07.38 | foreverska | lol |
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| 09:08.07 | bumbar__ | ChrisH, sigh... seems i've forgot to chown some of the files <.< |
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| 09:08.41 | at0m | foreverska: reboot only for kernel changes, normally. |
| 09:08.51 | at0m | foreverska: otherwise, just restart services |
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| 09:10.14 | foreverska | I guess... |
| 09:10.58 | foreverska | Or testing bootsplash changes. Sometimes that's a thing |
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| 09:49.08 | GraphicalInstall | hello, what do I need to install prior to my DE? just xorg? |
| 09:50.00 | foreverska | A WM? Do you need a Display Manager? |
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| 09:51.38 | bolt | GraphicalInstall: probably nothing. your DE should depend on everything you need in order to run it |
| 09:51.42 | GraphicalInstall | foreverska: before installing i3 to be more precise |
| 09:52.05 | GraphicalInstall | bolt: thats what I thought, but i3 doesnt |
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| 09:52.13 | foreverska | Ah, see i3 is a WM |
| 09:52.28 | GraphicalInstall | yep |
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| 09:54.22 | foreverska | xorg and i3 should be enough to start it I think. maybe xinit |
| 09:55.00 | GraphicalInstall | doesnt xorg install xinit? |
| 09:55.29 | bolt | can't you just try this? |
| 09:55.38 | bolt | and if you figure out something critical is missing, submit a bug |
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| 09:56.21 | foreverska | Apparently the xorg package does have xinit as a dep. I guess I normally install xserver-xorg |
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| 09:57.51 | oxachloren | Try BSPWM instead of i3. |
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| 09:58.55 | oxachloren | For i3 to run you only need xserver-org and xinit. |
| 09:59.06 | GraphicalInstall | ok cool |
| 09:59.08 | GraphicalInstall | thx |
| 09:59.20 | oxachloren | Then use startx but I guess you already know this. |
| 09:59.26 | GraphicalInstall | yep |
| 10:00.05 | foreverska | Never got into these tiling WMs. Too much keyboard work. Wear out my poor mech switches. lol |
| 10:00.18 | oxachloren | You work faster. |
| 10:01.09 | foreverska | On a screen smaller than WQHD I cannot imagine this being true |
| 10:01.29 | oxachloren | You benefit from tiling WMs on small screens in my opinion. |
| 10:01.44 | GraphicalInstall | its so much faster imo |
| 10:01.47 | foreverska | When I'm on my laptop I HAVE to overlap windows. |
| 10:01.56 | oxachloren | You can switch desktops intead. |
| 10:01.59 | oxachloren | If you use tiling WMs. |
| 10:02.08 | oxachloren | Which is just key away from you. |
| 10:02.08 | GraphicalInstall | and the keyboard work is really simple |
| 10:02.19 | babilen | If you use startx make sure to use a suitable .xsession file that initialises dbus and that you run "startx -- vt$XDG_VTNR" to ensure that logind is working as expected. |
| 10:02.33 | foreverska | Nearly all WMs have multiple desktops |
| 10:02.35 | oxachloren | .xsession is provided by i3. |
| 10:02.42 | GraphicalInstall | thx babilen |
| 10:02.59 | oxachloren | Check i3.desktop. |
| 10:03.01 | foreverska | IDK... openbox is plenty fast on every machine I own. |
| 10:03.05 | oxachloren | (file) |
| 10:03.13 | babilen | I'd recommend to use a display manager (gdm, lightdm, ....) to login as they are updated when the system changes |
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| 10:03.34 | oxachloren | I use startx to log into my system. |
| 10:03.41 | oxachloren | I mean I log in via TTY, then I startx. |
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| 10:04.29 | foreverska | *shrugs* these tiling guys love extra steps. lol |
| 10:04.46 | oxachloren | Well it's faster than lightdm for me. |
| 10:04.50 | oxachloren | I don't have to use mouse. |
| 10:05.00 | foreverska | you could use nodm if you're the only user |
| 10:05.11 | themill | why would lightdm require you to use the mouse? |
| 10:05.28 | GraphicalInstall | you can add something like " [[ -z $DISPLAY && $XDG_VTNR -eq 1 ]] && exec startx " |
| 10:05.41 | oxachloren | Because it doesn't autofocus. |
| 10:05.45 | oxachloren | Or it's actually a bug? |
| 10:06.13 | oxachloren | I had ligthdm only for a couple of days, messing with gtk-greeter then I decided I don't need it at all. |
| 10:06.44 | foreverska | nodm is very quick. But in cases where I have to run GDM I use autologin on single user systems. |
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| 10:09.27 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hello great guys, here is time to say nice morning! |
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| 10:14.09 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i'm building a system to control home devices with debian arduíno, raspberryPI and some boards with i produce, i'm searching for better ways to structure a project, any have pratice with arduíno and perl? i already has made some apps in perl and one interface with apache + PHP |
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| 10:18.02 | Borys | Hello Debian Community, which version of live cd I need to download to run on compaq t5710 non pae i386 cpu? I need qt libraries to run teamspeak client |
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| 10:18.52 | Borys | So I prefer live cd with KDE |
| 10:20.23 | foreverska | Does the i386-kde-desktop iso not work? |
| 10:21.17 | Borys | I had downloaded jessie i386 kde and boot failed |
| 10:21.18 | Borys | :/ |
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| 10:21.26 | Borys | squeeze? whizzy? |
| 10:21.31 | Borys | which ones? |
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| 10:22.00 | foreverska | I would personally try stable (Jessie). |
| 10:22.14 | Borys | I tried, doesnt work |
| 10:22.44 | Borys | This kernel rquires pae, unale to boot :( |
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| 10:25.15 | Borys | I trying run this terminal from 5 am, help me anyone with advice |
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| 10:26.04 | Borys | Damn, I press enter on 586 and I think its boot.. but wait a while :D im so hapy ;) |
| 10:27.14 | Borys | but I dont understand it, t5710 has i386 architecture, so i586 should dont work o_O |
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| 10:28.24 | SynrGy | uh, what? eh? i think you're muddling kernel flavours and architecture |
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| 10:29.27 | Borys_ | SynrGy: mayby... btw its a possible to give a little boost to this livecd? |
| 10:29.59 | SynrGy | i got disconnected so i'm missing context. do you have an issue with 586 kernel flavour? |
| 10:30.12 | SynrGy | which live CD image are you using and what's the problem? |
| 10:30.44 | Borys_ | I get jessi kde-desktop livecd i386 |
| 10:30.45 | SynrGy | if you've booted from optical media, that will make things terribly slow. the best way to improve on that is to boot from a USB flash drive instead. |
| 10:31.00 | Borys_ | Im running it from usb |
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| 10:31.11 | SynrGy | t5710 seems to be some sort of thin client. it may be too underpowered for jessie KDE |
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| 10:31.16 | SynrGy | try XFCE instead |
| 10:31.35 | Borys_ | its had qt libraries too? |
| 10:31.47 | Borys_ | i need to run teamspeak3 client on it :x |
| 10:31.53 | SynrGy | you can install qt libraries on *any* desktop. |
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| 10:32.02 | SynrGy | there's no issue with mixing from different desktops in debian |
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| 10:32.18 | foreverska | He may not want to do that every time he boots it |
| 10:32.25 | SynrGy | then use persistence |
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| 10:33.07 | SynrGy | Borys_: there are two ways to go with this. 1, use persistence. i have a little HOWTO and will give you a URL shortly. 2, just do a full install to the USB flash drive instead. |
| 10:33.28 | Borys_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-8.1.0-i386-xfce-desktop.iso |
| 10:33.32 | Borys_ | this image? |
| 10:33.58 | SynrGy | yep. it can be torn apart and reassembled with a persistence partition ... |
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| 10:34.21 | Borys_ | and can I put in on usb with lilo? |
| 10:34.28 | SynrGy | while my tutorial is old and written for wheezy, it should work just as well with jessie. if you have any issues, give me a shout: http://syn.theti.ca/2013/06/22/tutorial-wheezy-live-iso-hybrid-with-persistence-on-usb/ |
| 10:34.37 | SynrGy | why lilo? no ... |
| 10:34.43 | Borys_ | lili * |
| 10:34.51 | Borys_ | lili live usb creator? |
| 10:34.58 | SynrGy | oh |
| 10:35.13 | SynrGy | just follow my tutorial for best results. if you have problems using some other method, i really cannot help |
| 10:35.25 | Borys_ | ok thanks |
| 10:35.33 | SynrGy | i'm on the debian-live team, so i have a bit of experience in this area :) |
| 10:36.44 | foreverska | I HATE building live media |
| 10:36.57 | SynrGy | Borys_: if it turns out there is some issue making that tutorial work for jessie, i'll want to know so i can fix it, and/or make a new tutorial |
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| 10:37.58 | SOUL_OF_R00T | SynrG, i have build on image with live build for my system i am building a local distro integrated with the control software |
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| 10:41.58 | jelly | SynrGy: huh, that looks suspiciously similar to how grml does persistence these days |
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| 10:47.17 | g00se | Somebody mentioned auth.log but is there any other way to find out which process sudo is asking to authorize? |
| 10:47.53 | SynrGy | jelly: could be, could be ... |
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| 10:48.11 | SynrGy | jelly: the idea for doing it "properly" is to build using the hdd target. |
| 10:48.23 | SynrGy | jelly: most people don't particularly relish the idea of a full build. |
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| 10:50.36 | g00se | As a subsidiary, with this configuration 'sudo umount ..' as goose should NOT ask for a password, right? http://sprunge.us/RCIg |
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| 10:56.28 | Pymous | Hello ! |
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| 10:56.52 | Pymous | Did someone already used initramfs ? I did a dist-upgrade, and know I'm stuck in it upon boot |
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| 10:58.14 | g00se | Always? |
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| 10:58.19 | Pymous | g00se : Always |
| 10:58.29 | Pymous | and trying "exit" output a Kernel Panic |
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| 10:59.16 | SynrG | dist-upgrade from what to what? |
| 10:59.50 | Pymous | and trying "exit" output a Kernel Panic |
| 10:59.52 | Pymous | Woops |
| 11:00.00 | Pymous | SynrG : From Debian 7 to 8 |
| 11:00.19 | SynrG | so my first suspicion is that your /etc/fstab has issues |
| 11:00.30 | SynrG | that's the most common problem upgrading from 7 to 8 |
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| 11:00.47 | Pymous | SynrG : it might be, but do you have any idea how to check/fix it ? |
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| 11:00.54 | SynrG | you need to ensure every filesystem in there (especially your / filesystem) has the correct device or UUID entry |
| 11:00.59 | Pymous | (Here is the Kernel Panic : http://i.imgur.com/0bNlzQD.png ) |
| 11:01.11 | SynrG | verify the output of blkid against actual contents of /etc/fstab for each filesystem |
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| 11:01.38 | SynrG | Pymous: do you have rescue media? a live system you could boot and mount the real system from? |
| 11:01.43 | Pymous | blkid output all my partitions |
| 11:01.44 | SynrG | that's simplest |
| 11:01.53 | Pymous | Yes, SynrG, I do have a Rescue available |
| 11:01.57 | Pymous | Wan't me to boot on it ? |
| 11:01.58 | g00se | I'd do this: |
| 11:01.58 | g00se | a. get SystemRescueCD |
| 11:01.58 | g00se | b. Choose 'Boot another LInux' |
| 11:01.58 | g00se | c. get into the broken system |
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| 11:02.15 | JyZyXEL | how do you install netbeans on debian? |
| 11:02.26 | svetlana | By hand. |
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| 11:02.45 | JyZyXEL | is it safe? |
| 11:02.53 | lwd | Hello. I've installed Debian 8.2, without any desktop environment. Needed to install 'rfkill' (for my WLAN) using the rescue mode on my disc. I also added 'blacklist ideapad-laptop' to /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf. I also added my WLAN wpa-ssid and wpa-psk to /etc/network/interfaces. 'ifup wlan0' after a (re)boot fails, is there a way to automatically unblock WLAN? 'rfkill list all' says I have a |
| 11:02.53 | lwd | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.11 | svetlana | It's safe, but a pain to follow (update, uninstall). |
| 11:03.14 | nhatirc | hi, how can i disable ssh-agent forever in my workstation ? after rebooting, ssh-agent still working :( |
| 11:03.36 | SynrG | Pymous: i can't take you through it step by step. others here can help. yes, boot the live system, mount your "/" somewhere, use blkid to see the UUID of each partition. if there is any partition in /etc/ftsab that has the wrong UUID, fix it in editor. |
| 11:03.51 | svetlana | nhatirc: would see 'which ssh-agent' and then 'sudo dpkg -S path', replacing path with the output of the first command. |
| 11:03.55 | Pymous | I'm gonna do this |
| 11:04.03 | SynrG | i have to do some work. later |
| 11:04.11 | Pymous | SynrG : Bye, thanks you |
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| 11:04.25 | svetlana | nhatirc: that tells me that it belongs to the openssh-client package. |
| 11:04.29 | SynrG | Pymous: also verify grub refers to the right partitions |
| 11:04.30 | g00se | If it wont boot, then you can use the rescue to fix individual files if there's mileage in that |
| 11:04.51 | SynrG | Pymous: after fixing up fstab, chroot into the system and update-grub |
| 11:04.57 | Pymous | SynrG : Hum ... I don't know how to do this, but I'm gonna look for it |
| 11:05.02 | SynrG | yep. good luck |
| 11:05.05 | Pymous | Thanks :) |
| 11:05.11 | SynrG | Pymous: many people here know how to help with this sort of rescue |
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| 11:05.30 | Pymous | Thanks :) |
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| 11:05.39 | lwd | Are there some network gurus? |
| 11:05.49 | RoyK | !ask |
| 11:05.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:05.53 | break3r | lwd, there's a channel ##network |
| 11:05.56 | lwd | I already asked. |
| 11:06.00 | break3r | lwd, there's a channel ##networking |
| 11:06.12 | disappointment | Hi, I wonder what will work better with an old computer (VIA C3 Nehemiah, 495MB RAM) - WinXP or Debian or should I go for something else? I'd like to use it for some office work (LibreOffice and tiny nginx+php+sql server). |
| 11:06.19 | lwd | Hello. I've installed Debian 8.2, without any desktop environment. Needed to install 'rfkill' (for my WLAN) using the rescue mode on my disc. I also added 'blacklist ideapad-laptop' to /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf. I also added my WLAN wpa-ssid and wpa-psk to /etc/network/interfaces. 'ifup wlan0' after a (re)boot fails, is there a way to automatically unblock WLAN? 'rfkill list all' says I have a |
| 11:06.25 | lwd | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.56 | ChrisH | disappointment: from my expierience, Debian is faster on the same HW, compared to XP |
| 11:07.34 | nhatirc | svetlana: same thing here but i don't want to uninstall openssh-client |
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| 11:08.13 | SynrG | ChrisH: it can be. but you have to make the right software choices at install time |
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| 11:09.03 | SynrG | ChrisH: also certain 'heavy', popular desktop software can perform poorly on highly constrained systems |
| 11:09.49 | SynrG | e.g. the most popular web browsers & mail clients, especially with extra plugins / multiple tabs open. big memory footprint |
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| 11:10.01 | svetlana | nhatirc: https://www.debian-administration.org/users/dkg/weblog/64 explains it better than I can. |
| 11:10.19 | g00se | You might get on better with Abiword, performance-wise if you can use it |
| 11:10.25 | nhatirc | svetlana: i'm gonna take a look at it, thx a lot |
| 11:10.55 | disappointment | Should I even install DE? Would i3 have best performance? |
| 11:11.30 | g00se | You could use a minimal one |
| 11:12.15 | g00se | I haven't used i3 |
| 11:12.21 | lwd | i3 is minimal |
| 11:14.40 | SynrG | disappointment: 495M of RAM is highly constrained. forget about running a desktop + icedove + iceweasel (or chromium) |
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| 11:15.03 | SynrG | even if you trim all the fat out of your desktop and just run a WM, it's going to perform horribly, dipping constantly into swap |
| 11:15.20 | SynrG | for that low end of a system, i think you want to use it as a remote desktop client |
| 11:15.32 | SynrG | use a beefier system to run the actual desktop |
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| 11:16.01 | lwd | or upgrade your RAM to 1 GB |
| 11:16.16 | Shadow`` | xfce runs on next to no ram |
| 11:16.39 | lwd | openbox is good too |
| 11:16.47 | g00se | You might get away with it if you don't use a web browser and steer clear of Libre |
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| 11:17.05 | Shadow`` | or stick to the commandline browser :) |
| 11:17.06 | SynrG | i find 2G tight |
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| 11:17.10 | disappointment | SynrG: Well, WinXP (preinstalled) works flawlessly, thus far, so if Debian would be a better choice performance-wise maybe it would work? |
| 11:17.36 | SynrG | it's worth a shot |
| 11:17.40 | lwd | Debian != Windows |
| 11:17.52 | SynrG | usually what kills XP performance is running the damned virus protection all the time |
| 11:17.58 | SynrG | i gotta scoot. commute to work. later |
| 11:18.17 | disappointment | Fortunately there is no internet connection on that computer, so I don't need virus protection there :p |
| 11:18.32 | g00se | You'll find when you start web browsing, that flawless XP will start getting sluggish ;) |
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| 11:18.35 | SynrG | ah. that takes care of the fattest software (web browser and email) |
| 11:18.37 | SynrG | yep |
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| 11:20.52 | g00se | But you've got a network connection, or nginx would be useless ..? |
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| 11:21.12 | disappointment | I just need nginx setup for home server purposes. |
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| 11:21.36 | disappointment | It's connected via LAN to other devices. |
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| 11:24.13 | disappointment | I just wonder if it wouldn't be a better choice to write my own piece of software instead of using Libreoffice, because all I need is an ability to generate PDFs and store some data. |
| 11:26.13 | g00se | PDFs from what? |
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| 11:27.34 | disappointment | It's super simple - I input what I've sold and I just want it nicely formatted in a PDF doc. |
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| 11:28.58 | g00se | You can probably run Libre in client-server mode to do that or there might be another app that will do it |
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| 11:31.10 | Pymous | Ok, I tried to repair my grub, and know when I boot, I'm stuck at "GRUB" |
| 11:31.23 | Pymous | Not even having the grub prompt, just "GRUB" |
| 11:32.30 | Pymous | http://i.imgur.com/6LN5wXV.png |
| 11:33.14 | hashworks | Hi! Weird problem with nethogs over here, it keeps spaming me with "Couldn't open dir /proc/[0-9]+/fd: No such file or directory": http://i.imgur.com/H1Qeh9k.jpg - Any idea? |
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| 11:35.20 | g00se | Pymous: get your SystemRescueCD. You won't regret it, even if it can't ultimately get you out of your current prob |
| 11:35.45 | Pymous | g00se : It's a dedicated server, I can load a Rescue (Ubuntu 14.04) |
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| 11:36.59 | jelly | hashworks: looks like a bug, it doesn't realize some processes have died in the middle of its scan |
| 11:37.07 | FelixFire619 | Can someone recommend a Debian Based Distro that has exellent support for non-free firmware? |
| 11:37.38 | jelly | FelixFire619: ubuntu? |
| 11:38.28 | FelixFire619 | hmmm |
| 11:39.14 | break3r | add non-free to sources.list entries? |
| 11:39.39 | jelly | break3r: that's not "excellent support" but more like "manual work" |
| 11:40.00 | oxachloren | >excellent proprietary software support in Linux |
| 11:40.10 | jelly | debian will never have excellent support for hardware requiring non-free components |
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| 11:40.43 | oxachloren | If I can't configure Debian to work with specific hardware setup, Ubuntu usually works out of the box. |
| 11:40.44 | FelixFire619 | Any other recommendations? |
| 11:40.48 | oxachloren | So I guess it's your best bet. |
| 11:41.11 | oxachloren | You can also check out Ubuntu-based distros. |
| 11:41.15 | FelixFire619 | I have a broadcom 4313 network wifi card in win / new drivers i get uto 30mgs download |
| 11:41.19 | FelixFire619 | in linux i get lucky to get 1mbs |
| 11:41.39 | jelly | FelixFire619: we don't deal with derivative distros in here a lot (or at all). Ask in ##linux, maybe. |
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| 11:42.26 | Pymous | I dist-upgraded from Debian 7 to 8, and now I'm stuck at "GRUB" upong loading, nothing else |
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| 11:43.40 | oxachloren | Pressing C doesn't work? |
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| 11:44.02 | Otyugh | Heya. Using nmap, I just saw that I had some port (rtsp, rtmp, vnc...) open. I'm using sysV : how can I know what deamon is running at boot up, or which app is using some port ? |
| 11:44.28 | hashworks | jelly: Well, I'm using the same version of nethogs on my arch system so I guess it's not a bug of nethogs |
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| 11:44.36 | oxachloren | lsof -i |
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| 11:46.00 | Pymous | oxachloren : Nop, doesn't work |
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| 11:46.27 | oxachloren | I can't really suggest anything if entering command line mode doesn't work. |
| 11:46.42 | oxachloren | How about booting "Grub Resque" or what is its name. |
| 11:46.55 | oxachloren | Grub Rescue |
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| 11:47.38 | oxachloren | Also Boot Repair from Ubuntu live USB has helped me numerous times when I had dual-boot setup. |
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| 11:48.03 | Pymous | It's a dedicated server |
| 11:48.38 | Pymous | I have a rescue, but it's a CLI one, nothing has clear as "Boot Repair" sadly |
| 11:48.54 | oxachloren | Wait, so you can use rescue. |
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| 11:49.03 | Pymous | I can boot on a rescue yes |
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| 11:49.30 | oxachloren | ls and find expression for boot partition. |
| 11:49.58 | oxachloren | Replace sdaX with hd0,X. |
| 11:50.07 | oxachloren | set root=(hd0,X) |
| 11:50.15 | oxachloren | Find your kernel. |
| 11:50.37 | oxachloren | Actually while I'm writing this down, there gotta be a guide about this. |
| 11:51.01 | oxachloren | You need to find your kernel and initramfs in /boot. |
| 11:51.17 | oxachloren | linux /boot/yourkernel root=/dev/sdaX ro |
| 11:51.28 | oxachloren | initrd /boot/yourinitrd |
| 11:51.30 | oxachloren | boot |
| 11:51.45 | oxachloren | Try different setups if the latest one doesn't work. |
| 11:52.01 | oxachloren | Chances are that you need to boot off an older kernel. |
| 11:53.42 | johdar | Hey, I'm trying to install a font on a minimal debian install. Font is correctly installed, at least fc-list report it as listed, but I cannot use it for urxvt. Can you give me a hint? |
| 11:54.10 | oxachloren | Paste your config. |
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| 11:55.19 | johdar | which config? |
| 11:55.52 | oxachloren | urxvt one |
| 11:57.24 | johdar | its just a oneliner in .Xresource :URxvt.font: Hack:style=Regular |
| 11:57.48 | johdar | tanks for your help. |
| 11:58.19 | Otyugh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:59.28 | oxachloren | Did you try to set it as xft? |
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| 11:59.48 | oxachloren | xft:Hack:style=regular |
| 12:00.15 | oxachloren | Urxvt.font: xft: ... |
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| 12:01.38 | johdar | ups forgot to type that, debian is one the machine next to me. Only diff would be the captial R. |
| 12:02.41 | oxachloren | When you start urxvt, font is not detected and letters have really huge spacing, right? |
| 12:03.15 | johdar | no, it just uses the default font. |
| 12:03.37 | johdar | I think even if fc-list reports it. I did somthing wrong with Xorg |
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| 12:05.31 | jelly | hashworks: not sure whose bug it could be otherwise? |
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| 12:05.45 | gerforce | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:06.42 | hashworks | jelly: Well it is kinda distro related in my case |
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| 12:07.21 | johdar | hashworks: I can recommend regual101.com, best site to test regex |
| 12:07.32 | hashworks | What? |
| 12:07.33 | hashworks | Why? |
| 12:07.38 | oxachloren | Why not? |
| 12:07.39 | hashworks | I don't need help with my regex. |
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| 12:07.46 | hashworks | gerforce needs |
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| 12:07.58 | johdar | ah sorry mate. |
| 12:08.11 | oxachloren | gerforce: You should not really be using regular expressions to match brackets. |
| 12:09.17 | oxachloren | Never mind, just realized that not all brackets are closed in your case. |
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| 12:10.59 | gerforce | oxachlo:<Soliton> ^\([0-9]{3}\)|[0-9]{3} I have got the answer. Thanks |
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| 12:15.29 | jelly | hashworks: there's one simple thing to try -- restart and see if it still happens |
| 12:15.47 | hashworks | It's happening since weeks, so nah :) |
| 12:16.27 | jelly | hashworks: if the two machines don't have the same workload, it might just mean the debian machine is busier with creating and killing new processes |
| 12:16.57 | jelly | (and it's still a bug in the tool) |
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| 12:18.09 | hashworks | I'm gonna check that out. |
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| 12:20.19 | g00se | gerforce: That will only match 2 digit groups, not the 3 digit ones you specified |
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| 12:36.23 | x86_64 | hi |
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| 12:40.15 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 12:40.15 | dpkg | <FrozenSpoon> okay. 3.0 woody. I assume a direct woody->etch upgrade should be fairly smooth? |
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| 12:54.33 | kim_bruning | maybe I'll be lucky ... gnumeric save-as-pdf option is gone from gnumeric save as menu (gnumeric 1.12.18-2 jessie / jessie-updates) ... what am I missing? |
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| 12:54.45 | kim_bruning | (tried looking for a #gnumeric first) |
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| 12:57.54 | x86_64 | how do i set the language that debian is gonna speak to me? as i can set at the install? |
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| 13:05.58 | quarterback | Hello, can debian makers prepare a one dvd installation setup like other distros such as suse, ubuntu or fedora, centos? At the moment there are 4 or 5 dvd isos for installation of debian. Could you please make that to just one dvd iso each for x86 and x64? |
| 13:06.28 | quarterback | A debian light version can be made with one CD , like knoppix a debian variant. |
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| 13:10.02 | themill | quarterback: what you're describing is exactly what we already have |
| 13:10.37 | quarterback | themill: I saw there were about 5 dvd's for installation of debian or a mini ISO for net install option. |
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| 13:11.38 | themill | and several single CD versions |
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| 13:14.36 | quarterback | themill: Look at this link, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.2.0/i386/iso-dvd/ , there are 3 dvd Iso images for installation of debian 8. |
| 13:15.03 | quarterback | themill: 5 Dvd Iso images if you also consider updates. |
| 13:15.08 | themill | so? |
| 13:15.34 | themill | If you want to install thousands of packages, you're going to need to download them at some stage. |
| 13:16.14 | themill | Have you read the text on that page? |
| 13:16.29 | quarterback | themill: Isn't there a preset option with install only some and not all with a single dvd? |
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| 13:16.51 | themill | Have you read the text on that page? |
| 13:17.14 | quarterback | Yes I have. |
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| 13:20.12 | themill | So you will have seen how it says that you only need CD1 or DVD1. |
| 13:21.30 | quarterback | Yes, that is apparent now. |
| 13:21.50 | themill | good good :) |
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| 13:28.46 | darsie | centrx: No candidate version found for sysvinit-core |
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| 13:29.38 | centrx | darsie, The name of the package in wheezy is just 'sysvinit' |
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| 13:31.28 | darsie | That's already installed. How do I activate it? man init explains systemd. |
| 13:32.20 | darsie | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jul 7 2014 /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd |
| 13:32.32 | darsie | change that to sysv init? |
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| 13:35.54 | Iiiak | darsie â On jessie, the init system is now systemd. I think the sysv is no longer supported |
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| 13:38.27 | RoyK | darsie: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/sysv-rc <-- you can change to sysv, but systemd is the default and preferred |
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| 13:40.13 | darsie | Iiiak: RoyK: I have wheezy. |
| 13:40.27 | Iiiak | Ok ;) |
| 13:40.50 | darsie | What's the sysvinit exectuable? Do I link to it? |
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| 13:48.22 | darsie | Where's the sysvinit executable? Did I miss it? http://pastebin.com/UfzS44a9 |
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| 13:49.19 | darsie | can someone on wheezy please tell me the output of 'ls -l /sbin/init'? |
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| 13:49.44 | SynrG | darsie: apt-file list sysvinit-core |
| 13:50.02 | jelly | "wheezy" |
| 13:50.13 | darsie | SynrGy: That package doesn't exist on wheezy. |
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| 13:50.26 | jelly | darsie: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 35216 Jul 18 2013 /sbin/init |
| 13:50.29 | RoyK | darsie: https://paste.debian.net/310882/ |
| 13:50.36 | SynrG | darsie: ah, wheezy. sorry |
| 13:50.45 | SynrG | i no longer have any wheezy systems |
| 13:50.46 | jelly | darsie: reinstall sysvinit package, for a start |
| 13:50.54 | darsie | jelly: I did. |
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| 13:51.08 | darsie | it said: Not restarting sysvinit |
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| 13:51.57 | jelly | darsie: alright, what does "debsums -q sysvinit" say? |
| 13:52.14 | darsie | debsums: command not found |
| 13:52.24 | SynrG | well, obviously after installing it |
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| 13:52.35 | jelly | darsie: sorry, debsums -s sysvinit (and install it if it's missing) |
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| 13:53.24 | darsie | jelly: no output |
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| 13:54.31 | jelly | darsie: grep sbin/init /var/lib/dpkg/info/sysvinit.{md5sums,list} |
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| 13:54.42 | darsie | jelly: Hmm, sysvinit doesn't have the file /sbin/init. It must somehow create/move it there. |
| 13:55.12 | darsie | /var/lib/dpkg/info/sysvinit.md5sums:c1735f1f065c7becfbba7dd9878fe9ab sbin/init |
| 13:55.13 | jelly | darsie: then you either not have sysvinit package from wheezy, or something has tampered with it |
| 13:55.39 | darsie | Hmm, maybe it's from wheezy-backports. |
| 13:55.39 | jelly | darsie: from that output, the package thinks it has /sbin/init |
| 13:55.53 | jelly | darsie: apt-cache policy sysvinit |
| 13:56.16 | jelly | oh, not there in .list file, interesting |
| 13:56.42 | darsie | http://pastebin.com/N9McLanH |
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| 13:57.38 | jelly | darsie: apt-get --reinstall install sysvinit=2.88dsf-41+deb7u1 |
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| 13:58.08 | jelly | darsie: then "ls -ld /sbin/init" and "grep sbin/init /var/lib/dpkg/info/sysvinit.{md5sums,list}" again |
| 13:58.11 | darsie | Maybe it works if I (forcibly) remove systemd, first. |
| 13:58.20 | jelly | darsie: show the output of all of those. |
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| 13:59.32 | darsie | http://pastebin.com/WH8ErG0w |
| 14:01.14 | chozha | jelly setting up luks slows down performance |
| 14:01.16 | chozha | ? |
| 14:01.26 | jelly | darsie: that's weird. dpkg --contents /var/cache/apt/archives/sysvinit_2.88dsf-41+deb7u1_i386.deb | grep sbin/init |
| 14:02.00 | darsie | -rwxr-xr-x root/root 35216 2013-07-18 05:10 ./sbin/init |
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| 14:02.35 | jelly | I wonder if dpkg leaves the symlink in place for some reason |
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| 14:03.02 | jelly | darsie: ls -ld $(readlink -f /sbin/init); md5sum /sbin/init |
| 14:03.03 | omanomanooerz | anyone know the proper way to get rid of iceweasel? It wants to remove gnome and everything once I remove it |
| 14:03.18 | darsie | I found /sbin/init when I enter the sysvinit package with mc. I could copy it from there. |
| 14:03.28 | jelly | darsie: please don't. |
| 14:03.30 | darsie | ok |
| 14:03.49 | darsie | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1042812 Jul 7 2014 /lib/systemd/systemd |
| 14:03.49 | darsie | f0a13745e7491747fc2a06fa202a7256 /sbin/init |
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| 14:04.30 | jelly | chozha: yes, but if your CPU supports aes-ni, not significantly |
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| 14:05.08 | SynrG | omanomanooerz: manually install the automatically installed dependencies that aptitude wants to remove |
| 14:05.08 | chozha | omanomanooerz: apt-get autoremove iceweasel && purge iceweacel ? |
| 14:05.20 | SynrG | i smell aptitude |
| 14:05.23 | chozha | i installed firefox manually |
| 14:05.30 | SynrG | that's not what i meant |
| 14:05.32 | SynrG | the gnome deps |
| 14:05.44 | talin | hello. i am having problems with squashfs, and i think it might be because my kernel is missing support for the xattr feature in squashfs. how can i check what my kernel has? i haven't touched it, running jessie |
| 14:05.45 | omanomanooerz | actually if I could remove iceweasel from showing up when I type it in the gnome search application bar |
| 14:05.48 | omanomanooerz | I would be happy |
| 14:05.58 | chozha | omanomanooerz: www.fandigital.com/2012/09/install-real-firefox-in-debian.html |
| 14:06.01 | SynrG | omanomanooerz: that's far simpler. just remove it |
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| 14:06.05 | chozha | i followed this one |
| 14:06.14 | SynrG | oh, gnome search ... ummm |
| 14:06.24 | chozha | and learnt abot shortcuts |
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| 14:06.29 | omanomanooerz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.30 | SynrG | that's governed by /usr/share/applications/iceweasel.desktop |
| 14:06.36 | omanomanooerz | NICE! |
| 14:06.38 | SynrG | you could locally divert/rename |
| 14:06.38 | chozha | aes in :o |
| 14:07.00 | omanomanooerz | it worked! |
| 14:07.13 | SynrG | it would probably be sexier to have a local version of the desktop file that overrides it and hides it ... but that involves more *.desktop-fu than i have |
| 14:07.21 | omanomanooerz | it is the equivalent of uninstalling windows program by deleting the icon on the desktop but idc ^_^ |
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| 14:07.34 | chozha | jelly: how to check a processor supports aes-ni ? |
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| 14:07.35 | SynrG | omanomanooerz: if you've just removed it, on the next iceweasel package upgrade it will come back |
| 14:07.36 | jelly | darsie: line 11 of http://pastebin.com/WH8ErG0w shows systemd-sysv package is doing something interesting there |
| 14:07.42 | Guest62247 | Hello guys! My search-engine-foo fails me! I'm trying to review an error message that I keep getting from the terminal right before the system shuts down but I just don't seem to be able to find the log/location where these might be stored... Can you show me the light? :] |
| 14:07.44 | omanomanooerz | SynrG, I will just re run the command |
| 14:07.46 | SynrG | omanomanooerz: that's why you should use dpkg-divert --local instead |
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| 14:07.57 | jelly | darsie: so you can start by removing that one, and reinstalling sysvinit again |
| 14:08.03 | omanomanooerz | this is just so I get used to typing chromium in instead of iceweasel by accident for a while |
| 14:08.15 | darsie | ok ... |
| 14:08.22 | omanomanooerz | so used to typing the first letters of a thing then smacking enter quickly |
| 14:08.25 | jelly | darsie: I don't know the mechanism by which that happens |
| 14:09.02 | jelly | chozha: grep '\baes\b' /proc/cpuinfo -- is one way |
| 14:09.22 | darsie | jelly: Yeah, now I have -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 35216 Jul 18 2013 /sbin/init |
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| 14:09.41 | jelly | darsie: right, that's from sysvinit package |
| 14:09.48 | SynrG | omanomanooerz: something like dpkg-divert --local --divert-to iceweasel.desktop.disabled --rename /usr/share/applications/iceweasel.desktop |
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| 14:10.08 | SynrG | omanomanooerz: package upgrades should respect that |
| 14:10.13 | darsie | Hmm, I'll try rebooting. Wish me luck. |
| 14:10.36 | SynrG | omanomanooerz: see dpkg-divert man page for details. --remove to undo the change. |
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| 14:13.46 | Lewix | do packages listed in the source file have a priority order |
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| 14:15.14 | centrx | Lewix, You mean repositories listed in sources.list ? |
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| 14:15.57 | Lewix | centrx: that's right - here you go again centrx , it's been a while |
| 14:16.00 | mc_fail | hi guys |
| 14:16.01 | darsie | jelly: It worked. thx |
| 14:16.13 | Lewix | centrx: what channel im on that you are not on... |
| 14:16.27 | centrx | no idea :) |
| 14:16.31 | mc_fail | is it possible to debian netinst cd from iso file on a hard drive? |
| 14:16.37 | mc_fail | (with grub) |
| 14:16.45 | Lewix | centrx: I meant repositories |
| 14:17.06 | centrx | Lewix, There's no priority based on the file, you can set a priority with "apt pinning" |
| 14:17.24 | jhutchins | mc_fail: It would be easier to run debootstrap. |
| 14:17.37 | Lewix | centrx: so how does it manages packages that are available in different repo but are different versions |
| 14:17.53 | Lewix | centrx: or how do i explicitly state the repo that i wanna use |
| 14:18.17 | jelly | !win darsie |
| 14:18.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, darsie! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 14:18.30 | darsie | :) |
| 14:18.47 | mc_fail | jhutchins hmm, i have a virtual machine, installed by a person to whom i don't trust, so i'd like to secure the installation by installing it by hands with clean self-downloaded images |
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| 14:19.06 | darsie | Now I'm back to my card reader which doesn't get mounted and my photos don't get imported. Should I ask that in #xfce again? |
| 14:19.08 | centrx | Lewix, It will use the package with the newer version |
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| 14:19.18 | centrx | Lewix, You can set the target release with apt-get -t e.g. apt-get -t jessie-backports |
| 14:19.22 | rozie | mc_fail: what virutalisation? |
| 14:19.30 | centrx | Lewix, with the install command |
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| 14:19.35 | mc_fail | also, current installation doesn't have any drive ecryption, so i'd like to do repartitioning and use luks |
| 14:19.39 | mc_fail | rozie kvm |
| 14:19.52 | rozie | you can use iso on hdd to boot from |
| 14:20.02 | centrx | Lewix, you can also specify version to install with apt-get install mypackage=1.2.3 |
| 14:20.13 | rozie | but don't "install by hands" |
| 14:20.15 | rozie | just reinstall |
| 14:20.41 | mc_fail | rozie yes, but how? i've tried a method described in http://www.howtogeek.com/196933/how-to-boot-linux-iso-images-directly-from-your-hard-drive/, but it doesn't work with debian |
| 14:20.50 | rozie | there are many ways to hide backdoors/malware out of official packages |
| 14:21.06 | Lewix | centrx: I see. As always, thank you |
| 14:21.17 | rozie | I'd use virt-manager. it's GUI ;-) |
| 14:21.22 | centrx | glhf |
| 14:21.31 | mc_fail | rozie i have only vnc access |
| 14:21.37 | Guest62247 | To be more specific, the "shutdown" command doesn't accept any timing options anymore. So "shutdown -h 60" acts like "shutdown -h now" and gives an error message that i'm unable to read or find again after reboot... Any ideas? |
| 14:21.39 | jhutchins | mc_fail: You would have to mount the iso file via loopback from within grub. |
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| 14:21.53 | rozie | use virt-manager locally |
| 14:22.29 | jhutchins | Guest62247: I think you need to dig into the systemd shutdown process. |
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| 14:23.35 | mc_fail | jhutchins thanks for loopback |
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| 14:25.59 | Guest62247 | jhutchins: Thanks! I'll look into it! |
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| 14:28.58 | Iridos | Guest62247, I suppose you mean an error that is written on the terminal you run the shutdown command from... if you shutdown from an ssh connection, you should be able to see what the error is |
| 14:30.10 | Iridos | Guest62247, you should also check with the manpage if some options are suddenly documented differently |
| 14:30.20 | VonKenbauer | hello, for unknown reason I can't "mkdir" neither "touch" any new file in my external drive, even as ROOT. I get this message: "mkdir: cannot create directory âfooâ: Operation not permitted". Any help? |
| 14:30.21 | darsie | My card reader doesn't get mounted and my photos don't get imported. Should I ask that in #xfce again? http://pastebin.com/dumduDUN |
| 14:30.53 | Iridos | VonKenbauer, probably mounted read-only, then |
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| 14:31.55 | VonKenbauer | Iridos: how to I mount it with read/write? I just did "sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/dd" |
| 14:32.05 | njumdl2014 | why does "lsb_release -a " show my debian testing's codeanme is sid? |
| 14:32.38 | centrx | njumdl2014, packages from sid are automatically migrated to testing, so they use the same name |
| 14:32.44 | Iridos | VonKenbauer, check why it isn't mounted rw. is that maybe an ntfs filesystem? |
| 14:32.44 | centrx | njumdl2014, stretch/sid or testing/unstable |
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| 14:34.01 | njumdl2014 | lsb_release -a shows the debian's code base your sources.list |
| 14:34.04 | Guest62247 | Iridos: You're right, no ssh, just trying to shutdown my local machine at night. The only thing "new" to me is that the shutdown-manpage now seems to insist on adding a + before a time argument. But that might have always been there, not sure. It did work without it until two days ago and it doesn't make a difference if I add it :/ |
| 14:34.07 | VonKenbauer | Iridos: hoooo I think you're right! I just reinstalled my Debian, and I think I need ntfs-3g for that, I forgot about that one. |
| 14:34.07 | Iridos | VonKenbauer, unmount it, take it out, look at "dmesg | tail -50" , put it back in and mount it again... run "dmesg | tail -50" again and look at the lines that have appeared on mounting (or paste them to paste.debian.net) |
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| 14:34.25 | njumdl2014 | my sources.list is stretch, why it shows me sid? |
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| 14:34.29 | Iridos | VonKenbauer, yes... only ntfs-3g can mount rw, the in-kernel driver doesn't have that |
| 14:34.37 | jelly | njumdl2014: that's normal. |
| 14:34.48 | VonKenbauer | Iridos: true. thank you for your help! |
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| 14:35.12 | Iridos | jelly, is it? thought it says testing/unstable |
| 14:35.19 | jelly | njumdl2014: the release name is properly set very late in the release cycle, after the freeze |
| 14:35.23 | njumdl2014 | several weeks ago, I have checked it , it's testing |
| 14:35.59 | jelly | njumdl2014: I suggest asking in #debian-next channel, over on irc.debian.org |
| 14:36.53 | Iridos | Guest62247, http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/shutdown.8.html doesn't seem to allow 60.... seems either +60 or 00:01 should be ok |
| 14:37.18 | njumdl2014 | OK, thank you! I will ask this question in mailing list. |
| 14:37.24 | njumdl2014 | debian-user |
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| 14:38.32 | jhutchins | njumdl2014: I believe that's normal for testing. |
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| 14:39.29 | themill | njumdl2014: do you expect the answer to change if you keep asking the question? |
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| 14:41.24 | njumdl2014 | I don't expect the change but why this happens? |
| 14:42.46 | jelly | njumdl2014: I don't know, but it doesn't really matter either... testing is just that volatile by nature |
| 14:42.58 | themill | You might need to define what "this" is too. |
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| 14:43.31 | VonKenbauer | Iridos: just to confirm: its fixed |
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| 14:44.39 | njumdl2014 | stable will not happen to show testing in "lsb_release -a", is it? |
| 14:44.52 | Guest62247 | I will try something... Thanks for your help, guys. I might be back! ^-^ |
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| 14:45.10 | Iridos | \o/ |
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| 14:46.15 | themill | njumdl2014: BTW, why are you interested in this value anyway? |
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| 14:47.30 | njumdl2014 | correctness |
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| 14:47.58 | njumdl2014 | I always think "stable -> testing -> unstable(sid)" |
| 14:48.00 | themill | lsb_release is never going to be a useful test of anything |
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| 14:48.12 | njumdl2014 | It breaks my thought. |
| 14:49.00 | jelly | best adjust your expectations, then. Testing is not a release in a formal meaning |
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| 14:49.50 | jelly | njumdl2014: "stretch" will be, and once it gets close to the release time, data lsb_release uses will be adjusted to match that |
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| 14:53.45 | njumdl2014 | ok, I will keep an eye on it. Thank you! |
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| 14:55.19 | Knaldgas | Hi, I just upgraded from Jessie to Stretch, and my VirtualBox has started to "act up". First I get "VBoxClient: the VirtualBox kernel service is not running. Exiting..." at session-start. Perhaps that is related to the virtual client OS not displaying correctly. |
| 14:55.36 | Knaldgas | I've tried to reinstall all virtualbox and vbox packages, but the problem remains. |
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| 14:55.51 | Knaldgas | Any idea what is going on, and how to fix it? |
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| 14:56.23 | kim_bruning | Knaldgas, the virtualbox kernel service is not running. Run it :-) |
| 14:57.29 | Knaldgas | kim_bruning: Heh, ok :) |
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| 14:57.35 | kim_bruning | sudo service vboxdrv start (or something akin to that. ymmv, check actual situation) |
| 14:57.48 | kim_bruning | <- doesn't have virtualbox installed atm, so the exact command eludes me |
| 14:57.50 | themill | assuming the kernel module compiles |
| 14:57.57 | darsie | I mounted my cardreader as root at /mnt or /home/bernhard/xx. How can I change the permissions so gthumb can delete photos on the card? |
| 14:58.37 | darsie | I don't want to run gthumb as root. |
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| 14:58.49 | kim_bruning | darsie, you also don't need to run mount as root per se |
| 14:59.01 | themill | darsie: how are you mounting? what filesystem? |
| 14:59.07 | darsie | kim_bruning: It would automount before, but it doesn't work atm. |
| 14:59.26 | darsie | themill: root@b:~# mount /dev/sdc1 /home/bernhard/xx |
| 14:59.27 | kim_bruning | darsie, a problem with your /etc/fstab ? |
| 14:59.52 | themill | that would be why you can't do things as a user |
| 14:59.58 | darsie | themill: /dev/sdc1 on /data/home/bernhard/xx type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro) |
| 15:00.10 | kim_bruning | darsie, is there nothing in /media either? |
| 15:00.23 | darsie | themill: I tried to chmod a+w /mnt, but it didn't do it. |
| 15:00.32 | darsie | kim_bruning: no |
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| 15:01.15 | darsie | kim_bruning: I see nothing relevant in fstab. |
| 15:01.35 | darsie | kim_bruning: It used to be automounted in /media, but that stopped working. |
| 15:01.38 | themill | darsie: either fix your automounting or include which user is supposed to have ownership in the moutn command |
| 15:01.41 | darsie | I use xfce. |
| 15:02.05 | darsie | How do I fix automounting? |
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| 15:02.43 | themill | well.. how did it break? |
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| 15:02.48 | darsie | dunno |
| 15:03.19 | g00se | Try sudo mount -t vfat / -o remount,uid=bernhard,gid=bernhard /dev/sdc1 /data/home/bernhard/xx |
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| 15:03.35 | g00se | (get rid of that forward slash on its own) |
| 15:03.46 | aZz7eCh | xrdp server - is this the best option? |
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| 15:05.00 | Knaldgas | kim_bruning: Well, did try, but same issue. Just ran "systemctl status vboxdrv.service" which responds: "Loaded", and "active (exited)" |
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| 15:05.06 | jhutchins | darsie: What desktop are you running? |
| 15:05.11 | darsie | xfce |
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| 15:05.28 | jhutchins | darsie: Were you running gnome before/ |
| 15:05.30 | jhutchins | ? |
| 15:05.33 | kim_bruning | Knaldgas, then it Should Just Work (tm) (r) (c) |
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| 15:05.38 | darsie | a long time ago, yes. |
| 15:06.02 | kim_bruning | Knaldgas, you could try restarting once, then check if something changes. Else I'm stumped ^^;; |
| 15:06.03 | Knaldgas | kim_bruning: And it does not. At least not correctly. Starting a VM brings me just a black screen |
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| 15:06.07 | jhutchins | darsie: I believe gnome mounts removable filesystems internally. |
| 15:06.18 | darsie | jhutchins: It's not mounting. |
| 15:06.21 | kim_bruning | Knaldgas, do you still get the same error? |
| 15:06.24 | Knaldgas | kim_bruning: Did reboot after running that systemctl start vboxdrv.service |
| 15:06.27 | Knaldgas | Same error |
| 15:06.27 | jhutchins | darsie: Seems to me that you can configure xfce to do that in the settings. |
| 15:06.39 | kim_bruning | Knaldgas, oh, you rebooted AFTER systemctl start vboxdrv.service ? |
| 15:06.39 | darsie | I configured it, but it's not working. |
| 15:06.54 | kim_bruning | Knaldgas, Don't Do That |
| 15:07.08 | Knaldgas | Yes, and I also tried to run "systemctl start vboxdrv.service" and then starting the VM |
| 15:07.09 | kim_bruning | Knaldgas, if you reboot, it stops the service again :-P |
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| 15:07.21 | kim_bruning | Knaldgas, right, that seems like it should work |
| 15:07.27 | kim_bruning | Knaldgas, what happend in that case? |
| 15:07.52 | Knaldgas | Starting the VM (Windows XP) just brings up a black screen. |
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| 15:08.01 | kim_bruning | Do you get the same error ? |
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| 15:08.09 | kim_bruning | or is this a new problem? |
| 15:08.26 | Knaldgas | Well, the error comes at session start, but did try to start VM after the start command |
| 15:08.35 | kim_bruning | I'm not following |
| 15:08.38 | Knaldgas | I can try to log out of the session and log in again |
| 15:08.42 | darsie | g00se: That command mounted it, but I could not 'touch x' on it. I unmounted it and now your command gives me 'mount: /data/home/bernhard/xx not mounted or bad option'. |
| 15:08.44 | kim_bruning | I'm lost |
| 15:09.08 | Knaldgas | kim_bruning: Should I be able to see the vboxdrv process in "ps -a"? |
| 15:09.11 | kim_bruning | Knaldgas, after systemctl start vboxdrv.service did you still get the exact same behaviour as before? |
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| 15:09.19 | Knaldgas | kim_bruning: Yes |
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| 15:09.34 | kim_bruning | Knaldgas, including the error message that it wasn't loaded? |
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| 15:09.59 | g00se | If it's not mounted get rid of the remount option |
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| 15:10.44 | fdhhdf | Hello, yesterday my Debian system filled up of HD, and when I tried to turn on again, it didnt boot up |
| 15:10.51 | kim_bruning | Knaldgas, I would think that having vboxdrv.service loaded would get rid of the message saying that the vboxdrv.service is not loaded. Else we have a bigger problem :-P |
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| 15:11.01 | Knaldgas | kim_bruning: Warning is only shown when the host session starts. Starting the client VM causes the issue with black screen. |
| 15:11.03 | darsie | g00se: ok. I can't write to the card. |
| 15:11.10 | g00se | fdhhdf: Rescue disk, delete files |
| 15:11.18 | darsie | as user bernhard. |
| 15:11.30 | Knaldgas | kim_bruning: Hold on, I'll try another approach, brb |
| 15:11.31 | g00se | ls -ld $mountpoint |
| 15:11.38 | fdhhdf | I installed it in the entire partition, so I installing a new debian with more HD, and asking the installation wizard to create the /var, /tmp and /home partitions |
| 15:11.43 | kim_bruning | Knaldgas, so, to reiterate, systemctl start vboxdrv.service then loading the host session ... gives that error? |
| 15:11.59 | g00se | darsie: whoami |
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| 15:12.06 | darsie | g00se: drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 32768 Jan 1 1970 xx |
| 15:12.13 | g00se | ^^ |
| 15:12.18 | darsie | bernhard |
| 15:12.42 | g00se | Wrong owner. Did you use the uid and gid options? |
| 15:12.47 | fdhhdf | could it be enough to avoid again lose the boot even the HD get full or Have I to configure the partitions in another way? |
| 15:13.00 | darsie | g00se: Yes. I mounted, then did the remount. |
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| 15:13.15 | g00se | fdhhdf: You don't ever want to fill the whole HD |
| 15:13.19 | darsie | g00se: I added rw. |
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| 15:14.16 | Knaldgas | kim_bruning: Ok tried to reboot, then running "systemctl start vboxdrv.service" as root from the virtual console (ctrl-alt-F1), then logging in through the graphical login as user - Same error popping up. |
| 15:14.18 | darsie | Will it work if I upgrade to jessie? |
| 15:14.29 | g00se | You _might_ need numeric uid + gid |
| 15:14.37 | Knaldgas | kim_bruning: Btw, should I bring this to debian-next onOFTC??? |
| 15:15.01 | kim_bruning | Knaldgas, "VBoxClient: the VirtualBox kernel service is not running. Exiting..." is the error |
| 15:15.09 | kim_bruning | Knaldgas, I have no idea |
| 15:15.10 | Knaldgas | kim_bruning: Roger that |
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| 15:15.22 | darsie | g00se: touch: cannot touch `x': Permission denied |
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| 15:15.42 | Knaldgas | kim_bruning: As I wrote, I just upgraded from Jessie to Stretch |
| 15:15.45 | kim_bruning | Knaldgas, ok, well, that's funny behaviour. Your host software is not seeing the kernel service |
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| 15:16.12 | darsie | I'll make some food ... |
| 15:16.13 | Knaldgas | kim_bruning: Should I be able to see the vboxdrv with "ps -a" ? |
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| 15:16.27 | ghormoon | hi, any idea where to look for better log than this? http://pastebin.com/Sq8e3xGE I'm trying to use bluetooth (never tried it on this machine on linux before though) and can't get much info on what's wrong |
| 15:16.29 | kim_bruning | Knaldgas, right, normally rebooting wouldn't help, but since there's a kernel service involved, maybe if something were wonky... |
| 15:16.51 | kim_bruning | Knaldgas, Not sure on that. Get help from someone with more virtualbox skills now ;p) |
| 15:16.58 | Knaldgas | Ok, thanks :) |
| 15:17.01 | kim_bruning | Knaldgas, I thought I recognized the error, but there's more going on! |
| 15:17.14 | Knaldgas | kim_bruning: Yeah, I'm a bit baffled myself |
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| 15:17.38 | jelly | Knaldgas: have you verified the vbox kernel-side code builds correctly and loads? |
| 15:18.09 | jelly | (lsmod | grep vbox, maybe) |
| 15:18.16 | Knaldgas | jelly: Well, the upgrade went without any issues I could see (at least with regard to Vbox) |
| 15:18.31 | Knaldgas | lsmod |
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| 15:18.34 | Knaldgas | DUH! |
| 15:18.34 | jelly | that doesn't really say anything wrt kernel |
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| 15:19.04 | Knaldgas | jelly: "vboxdrv 385024 3 vboxnetadp,vboxnetflt,vboxpci" |
| 15:19.08 | g00se | darsie: Create a different mountpoint and start again: mkdir /tmp/dos |
| 15:19.35 | jelly | Knaldgas: so it seems to be loaded, at least. Did you reboot after the release upgrade? |
| 15:19.48 | Knaldgas | jelly: Oh yes, quite a few times :) |
| 15:20.02 | jelly | Knaldgas: ask in #vbox, perhaps |
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| 15:20.10 | Knaldgas | Will do, thanks! |
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| 15:26.16 | hashworks | I'm having a directory over here with filemode 775 and SGID set, owner and group are www-data. User foobar is in group www-data, however he isn't allowed to create files in there, why is that the case? |
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| 15:27.09 | Brigo | hashworks, did you log out and log in since you add that user to www-data group? |
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| 15:28.26 | hashworks | Yeah this user was in the www-data group for a long time. I also switched to him in my console, he definitly has the group and do anything in that dir |
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| 15:28.32 | hashworks | Besides entering, reading |
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| 15:29.00 | hashworks | s/and do anything/and can't do anything/ |
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| 15:33.29 | Rovan | Does anyone know how I change the language at the lightdm login screen for a user? |
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| 15:39.05 | hashworks | Brigo: A few examples http://i.imgur.com/k6dLOHW.png |
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| 15:40.11 | Rovan | Or rather the keyboard layout, how does the user change the keyboard layout of his login screen, or how do I do it as the admin? |
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| 15:42.25 | Brigo | hashworks, what is the permissions of Resources directory and owner:group? |
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| 15:43.26 | hashworks | You see that in the screenshot: www-data:www-data and 775 g+s |
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| 15:44.52 | Brigo | hashworks, no, i didn't i need a ls -l of /var/www/***/Persistent |
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| 15:45.07 | jwaibel | anyone knows if there is a "kali" related channel available? |
| 15:45.32 | Brigo | !kali |
| 15:45.33 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 15:47.30 | jwaibel | thx |
| 15:47.46 | richie_ | https://paste.debian.net/310900/ |
| 15:48.11 | g00se | Rovan: Try dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 15:48.16 | richie_ | !paste |
| 15:48.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 15:48.18 | jwaibel | brigo: is there a list of the possible commands for this channel? |
| 15:49.14 | Brigo | jwaibel, ifaik this channel hasn't special command but 2 information bots, dpkg and judd |
| 15:49.19 | hashworks | Brigo: In the screenshot I showed you the output of ls -al in ***/Persistent/Resources. The First line of that are the permissions of "Resources" and the second line are the permissions of "Persistent": http://i.imgur.com/xKruDfS.png |
| 15:49.42 | Brigo | jwaibel, you can /query them and run help. Or check debian wiki about them. |
| 15:49.49 | jwaibel | oki will do |
| 15:49.51 | Rovan | g00se: Right, that could also change the layout in the DM I guess. |
| 15:50.06 | jwaibel | will save you from most of my questions :P |
| 15:50.46 | hashworks | But however, here is a ls -al in Persistent which shows that the permissions are of course the same as in the screenshots above: http://i.imgur.com/3nGgVq5.png |
| 15:50.47 | g00se | Well you'd probably need to do that to have the right layout at login at least |
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| 15:52.33 | Brigo | hashworks, then try newgrp |
| 15:52.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | anyone here know how to get journalctl to show logs only since the last time a service was started? |
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| 15:53.14 | NoImNotNineVolt | `--since today` is a good start, but was hoping for something where i didn't have to go find the startup timestamp myself. |
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| 15:56.05 | hashworks | Brigo: What do you want to get from that, making sure that I'm definitly in the group www-data? |
| 15:56.56 | Brigo | hashworks, just try. :) It changes the group ID. |
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| 15:58.03 | hashworks | Brigo: Yeah, I know what it does, however it will ask for a password on this system, forcing it with sudo results in me getting root which of course works |
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| 16:01.42 | Brigo | hashworks, i really don't know why you can't create a file there. Maybe acls? |
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| 16:04.19 | hashworks | Brigo: Could be it... getfacl tells me group::r-x - seems like it's missing the write rights there |
| 16:04.48 | asterismo | how do i test dovecot is listening to email ports 143 and 993? |
| 16:04.51 | ZitZ | having some trouble starting an unprivileged container on debian sid with, 694 call to cmanager_move_pid_sync failed: invalid request |
| 16:05.02 | Brigo | asterismo, nmap, for example |
| 16:05.03 | asterismo | telnet tells me refused toconnect |
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| 16:05.57 | Brigo | asterismo, netstat -putan |grep LISTEN , and search for ports |
| 16:07.23 | hashworks | Brigo: Changing the ACL rights fixed that, thanks for the hint. Now I only need to kill the user that set that... |
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| 16:07.49 | Brigo | hashworks, :D |
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| 16:08.08 | WormFood | I've just experienced one of the strangest things. I have a machine, running Jessie. If I'm at the console, and type: printf "%b\n" "\u123" and execute it, it will log me out. I tried it on another Jessie machine. I switched to the console, and it works as expected. On a graphical terminal, works as expect. Just that one machine logs out when that is typed. |
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| 16:08.46 | WormFood | It displays *something* on the screen, before it erases it, and give me a new login prompt. Can anyone duplicate this, or have any explanations? |
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| 16:26.05 | asterismo | Brigo: http://pastebin.oalm.gub.uy/view/d0b399e7 |
| 16:27.27 | Brigo | asterismo, you can see dovecot is not listening in any port. |
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| 16:30.13 | asterismo | Brigo: how do i fix this? |
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| 16:34.51 | Brigo | asterismo, i don't know why dovecot is not running, check dovecot logs. |
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| 16:38.21 | richie_ | how doesthe echo command work and whats it mean my peeps |
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| 16:39.32 | hevisko | richie_: echo is mostly a shell builtin, but all it does is print out the ARGV[] to STDOUT |
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| 16:39.40 | RoyK | richie_: perhaps you should google linux 101 or something and read up on the basics in linux/unix |
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| 16:44.05 | asterismo | Brigo: now i is listening, but squirrelmail tells me: ERROR: Connection dropped by IMAP server. |
| 16:44.12 | asterismo | so i'm stuck again |
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| 16:45.41 | cyph3x | standard testing applies, ping your imap server and make sure its up, unless its a google server then you can reasonably assume that shit is up |
| 16:46.38 | cyph3x | then I would make sure that your iptables or whatever firewall you are using isnt blocking the default imap port |
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| 16:46.58 | cyph3x | (after ensuring that your imap server and port are 100% correct) |
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| 16:47.42 | asterismo | cyph3x: like "telnet 192.168.xxx.xxx 143" ? |
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| 16:47.52 | cyph3x | whew telnet, jesus |
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| 16:47.59 | asterismo | * BYE Disconnected: Auth process broken |
| 16:48.21 | cyph3x | no man, just type in "ping ipaddress:port" |
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| 16:48.27 | Guest97276 | I installed Jessie as a Guest VM and I using the Command line interface and when I try putting the Guest in fullscreen mode or maximize the window, the text stays in a rectangle the size of when it first boots. How can I fix this? |
| 16:48.40 | cyph3x | you are trying to telnet into their IMAP server man, of course they are going to boot you out |
| 16:48.41 | linnooby | can someone help me to install nvidia drivers? i have bunsenlabs distro wich is based on debian? |
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| 16:49.54 | cyph3x | BIGNASTY |
| 16:49.56 | BigNasty | join #apapche2 |
| 16:50.06 | BigNasty | hi |
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| 16:50.42 | BadCodSmell | In wheezy using syslinux how can I make it bootable by efi? |
| 16:50.43 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I' |
| 16:51.22 | Pegasus_RPG | m upgrading one of my systems to Jessie and installing dpkg alone says it will remove a bunch of things I want to keep, like flashplugin-nonfree and libreoffice |
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| 16:51.27 | jwd | Guest97276: i think you will need the vmguest addon |
| 16:51.32 | RoyK | cyph3x: ping doesn't take a port argument ;) |
| 16:51.47 | Guest97276 | jwd: I installed open-vm-tools |
| 16:51.59 | jwd | let me try. one sec |
| 16:52.29 | cyph3x | Roy, I was just typing that it may not take ports, I am currently on linuxmint and it seems to have a built in commandline modifier to accept ports |
| 16:52.31 | Pegasus_RPG | I can do apt-get upgrade fine but shouldn't I have the latest dpkg first? |
| 16:52.32 | RoyK | !nmap |
| 16:52.32 | dpkg | Nmap ("Network Mapper") is a free software port scanner written by Fyodor. It is used to evaluate the security of computers, and to discover services or servers on a computer network. Don't use it to do anything you wouldn't want done to yourself. Popular by the clueless to audit computers they could and should just run 'netstat -plunt' on (ask me about <open ports>). http://nmap.org/ ##nmap on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:53.37 | jwd | try to set your screen resolution? |
| 16:53.37 | cyph3x | but yeah good call RoyK |
| 16:55.00 | RoyK | cyph3x: but still, telnet is very nice for primitive testing ;) |
| 16:55.12 | jwd | i could just resize the box to fullscreen ths way guest97276 |
| 16:55.39 | ZitZ | um quick question. so i found a thread on the mailing list from May that is the exact problem I'm having. Do I start a new thread to the debian mailing list? |
| 16:55.42 | Guest97276 | jwd: It still stays the same way for me |
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| 16:55.52 | RoyK | cyph3x: but still - telnet is very nice for primitive testing where you just want to check what's returned |
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| 16:56.33 | jwd | i justed installed a vm, and just made the screen fullscreen (had the small box) then in the desktop i manualy set the screen resolution |
| 16:57.09 | Guest97276 | jwd How did you resize the resolution |
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| 16:57.55 | RoyK | wonders... https://xkcd.com/963/ |
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| 16:58.04 | jwd | from the applications menu: settings: display |
| 16:58.23 | Jankevl | hi, someone knows why does "echo $XDG_VTNR" returns "1" on my laptop (which is normal for me) but returns nothing on my desktop? (not even 0). I'm using Debian on both. |
| 16:58.33 | Guest97276 | jwd what did you change it too |
| 16:58.37 | Guest97276 | to* |
| 16:58.42 | jwd | to my actual resolution. |
| 16:59.12 | jwd | your can reset that if your wrong |
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| 17:00.50 | jwd | my lives reality is stuck in https://xkcd.com/1319 |
| 17:00.52 | G66K | hello everyrone |
| 17:01.03 | G66K | is there any way to switch from 64 to 32 ? |
| 17:01.03 | RoyK | jwd: hehe |
| 17:01.15 | Guest97276 | jwd once it goes to full screen it stays in the rectangle still |
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| 17:01.45 | RoyK | Guest97276: you mean 64bit to 32bit? |
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| 17:01.50 | RoyK | Guest97276: if so, why? |
| 17:02.34 | G66K | RoyK, yes |
| 17:03.55 | G66K | RoyK, im doing course for 32bit exploit development 64 bit didnt function the way 32 bit do i got different result |
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| 17:04.22 | RoyK | G66K: you can install 32bit libs to run 32bit apps |
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| 17:04.46 | RoyK | G66K: the only way to go back to 32bit is reinstall (or use a VM) |
| 17:04.58 | G66K | RoyK, thats sucks :( |
| 17:05.01 | G66K | thanks |
| 17:05.17 | RoyK | setting up a VM shouldn't take too long |
| 17:05.25 | jwd | Guest97276: and inside the rectangle runs your desktop? there i then went to the system/config to resize the screen resolution |
| 17:05.46 | G66K | yes i know i appericiate :) |
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| 17:15.22 | Sega | jwd: I set the VM to my Resolution and it isnt work |
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| 17:18.49 | markybob | i thought openjdk was supposed to be 100% compatible with oracle binaries. am i wrong? after hours of debugging i used oracle and it worked without a problem |
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| 17:19.03 | markybob | just curious if it's a debian bug or if it's openjdk in general |
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| 17:20.56 | SynrG | could simply be incorrect path |
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| 17:22.08 | SynrG | you didn't state what the issue was, so we're reduced to wild guesses. |
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| 17:22.17 | SynrG | markybob: ^ |
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| 17:23.23 | markybob | SynrG, it's no big deal. was just curious about the 100% compatibility thing. https://dpaste.de/8jVb |
| 17:23.29 | SynrG | as per debian policy, we do not set JAVA_HOME in the environment. any third-party java software that requires it to be set will need it set. |
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| 17:24.36 | SynrG | markybob: on which version of oracle Java does this work? |
| 17:24.38 | Pegasus_RPG | hmm, just doing apt-get upgrade then dist-upgrade avoided the problem |
| 17:24.51 | markybob | SynrG, build 1.8.0_60-b27 |
| 17:25.01 | SynrG | please note that 1.8 is not 1.7 :) |
| 17:25.18 | SynrG | are you sure the software is java7 compatible? |
| 17:25.21 | markybob | SynrG, i know. i had openjdk 1.8 |
| 17:25.30 | SynrG | that's not what your error shows |
| 17:25.40 | SynrG | 09-08 07:24:17 Java: OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 1.7.0_85 64-bit by Oracle Corporation |
| 17:26.01 | markybob | SynrG, well, not in that paste. i copied from a forum post i pasted on first. then switched to openjdk 1.8. same thing |
| 17:26.06 | markybob | SynrG, then oracle. works |
| 17:26.10 | SynrG | oh, you've clipped context |
| 17:26.14 | SynrG | sigh |
| 17:26.33 | markybob | i don't want help getting this fixed on openjdk. don't get me wrong |
| 17:26.43 | markybob | just wanted to know about the 100% thing :P but thanks |
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| 17:27.34 | SynrG | markybob: 100% compatible is not 100% bug-free |
| 17:27.37 | SynrG | looks like you hit a bug |
| 17:28.11 | SynrG | 100% compatible means the unit tests for one will all pass on the other. i'm sure this is true. |
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| 17:29.01 | SynrG | if you can reduce it to a minimal failing test case that can be reproduced without the entire application, that could be the basis for a bug filing against openjdk |
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| 17:29.24 | SynrG | otherwise, i'm afraid you'll have to see the upstream for the software that fails and sort it out with them as to why it works on one implementation and not the other |
| 17:29.50 | SynrG | there may even be some subtle application bug there that only manifests on one implementation. |
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| 17:30.54 | markybob | SynrG, gotcha |
| 17:31.02 | markybob | SynrG, good point on the bug thing |
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| 17:34.14 | joker_89 | hi |
| 17:34.54 | joker_89 | how can i autenticiate windows users with a debian server? |
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| 17:36.12 | Geowany | joker_89, try to use samba4. |
| 17:36.36 | joker_89 | samba4 is the current samba branch |
| 17:36.37 | joker_89 | ? |
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| 17:38.04 | DanielJay | How do you allow only certain packages from an apt source for installation/upgrade? |
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| 17:38.36 | Geowany | no, samba4 is the current stable version |
| 17:39.02 | mutante | DanielJay: just don't do anything except upgrading the other ones that you _do_ want? |
| 17:39.04 | joker_89 | is necessary to use ldap users? |
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| 17:39.06 | joker_89 | or recomended |
| 17:39.21 | valdyn | joker_89: no |
| 17:39.32 | Geowany | samba4 have a openldap built-in |
| 17:39.49 | DanielJay | I need to install python-setuptools >= 17.1.1 on Debian Jessie but only have main, updates and contrib sources. Looks like it is in an unstable branch. |
| 17:40.02 | valdyn | joker_89: you use ldap of some kind if you want to host a domain controller |
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| 17:40.54 | markybob | DanielJay, you can always try backporting it yourself |
| 17:40.57 | markybob | !ssb |
| 17:40.57 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 17:43.05 | linuxthefish | how can i stop the screen locking when i close the lid on my laptop? |
| 17:43.21 | linuxthefish | or stop it asking for a password on screensaver!? |
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| 17:45.24 | DanielJay | dpkg: Thanks will try looking into that |
| 17:45.24 | dpkg | sure thing, DanielJay |
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| 17:45.54 | markybob | DanielJay, dpkg is a bot, fyi |
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| 17:47.11 | DanielJay | markybob: lol thanks |
| 17:47.56 | joker_89 | [valdyn] what can you do with a domain controller? |
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| 18:04.34 | TaZeR | hey guys i have a installation problem with the debian net installer 8.2 when it asks me to insert media to install my wifi connection i insert it as i did with previous versions its called "iwlwifi-6000-4" for intel ceintro card but it doesnt recongize it and keeps asking me to insert media |
| 18:04.47 | TaZeR | ive tried it on different usb sticks and none work |
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| 18:06.00 | TaZeR | i can install it using an ethernet connection but i dont know how to install the iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode driver post installation |
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| 18:06.44 | markybob | TaZeR, you can try the firmware installer. don't know if it'd work with that firmware but it probably will. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 18:07.26 | TaZeR | ive done it before without problem though using the default installer i dont know why its giving me trouble this time, same computer same media im using |
| 18:07.31 | TaZeR | i will try this one though markybob |
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| 18:07.49 | TaZeR | only difference is those where for debian 7 that worked before |
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| 18:11.39 | TaZeR | i wonder if the way i write the image is an issue, im using rufus, while before i used unetbootin |
| 18:11.54 | TaZeR | but i cant see why that would make a difference |
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| 18:14.06 | markybob | TaZeR, just cp /dev/foo.iso /dev/sdx |
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| 18:14.16 | markybob | arg |
| 18:14.29 | markybob | cp foo.iso /dev/sdx |
| 18:14.35 | TaZeR | im writing them on windows though |
| 18:14.48 | TaZeR | i only have one computer |
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| 18:15.14 | TaZeR | they work just dont accept the firmware for my wifi during install, its strange |
| 18:15.31 | TaZeR | maybe debian 8's kernel isnt compat with them somehow |
| 18:15.50 | TaZeR | intel hasnt updated them or anything since kernel 2.6 and lists it as for 2.6+ |
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| 18:16.02 | TaZeR | i got them from intels download page |
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| 18:16.34 | jelly | !win32diskimager |
| 18:16.34 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 18:16.49 | mtn | TaZeR, the easiest way is to use an image that has firmware: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware |
| 18:16.59 | jelly | TaZeR: ^^ use that simple tool to write to the whole usb stick |
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| 18:17.30 | TaZeR | mtn: that comes up as a blank mage for me? |
| 18:17.31 | WormFood | I frequently use 'seq' for generating lists of numbers, but it doesn't appear to be capable of outputting hexadecimal. Is there something else, like 'seq', that can quickly and easily generate hex for me (my question is very specific, please don't tell me how to script this, I'm looking for a replacement for seq, or some way to make it work. I can script it with printf myself) |
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| 18:17.41 | TaZeR | and thanks jelly i will give that tool a try |
| 18:18.04 | TaZeR | im writing that other image that markybob linked too |
| 18:18.12 | TaZeR | firmware-8.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:18.19 | TaZeR | so hopefully that one works |
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| 18:19.15 | jelly | the one from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ ? Yeah, that's good |
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| 18:20.35 | mtn | at least that link works :P |
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| 18:20.52 | DanielJay | what is the best way to install an app that is in the unstable listing. Trying to install https://packages.debian.org/sid/python-setuptools on my debian jessie |
| 18:21.15 | markybob | yes, that's what i linked him to :P |
| 18:21.56 | markybob | DanielJay, i told you about backporting manually. what failed? |
| 18:22.00 | Brigo | DanielJay, usually simple sid backports |
| 18:22.13 | jelly | mtn: adding /current/ to yours seems to make it browsable |
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| 18:22.31 | nkuttler | judd: checkbackport python-setuptools |
| 18:22.32 | judd | Backporting package python-setuptools in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
| 18:22.33 | mtn | jelly, ty |
| 18:22.37 | nkuttler | !tell DanielJay about ssbp |
| 18:22.48 | jordanm | DanielJay: for that specifically, it's probably best to install the newer version in a virtualenv, especially if you just need it for one other app |
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| 18:25.16 | SynrG | WormFood: put it through a bc pipeline |
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| 18:26.37 | DanielJay | jordanm: Thanks. Looking into that. Rather new to linux and dealing with software discrepencies |
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| 18:28.01 | SynrG | WormFood: oh, "info seq" has an example using printf instead. |
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| 18:28.57 | SynrG | WormFood: and only *now* do i realize the end of your very long question asked not to tell you how to script it :) |
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| 18:30.17 | fennesz | Hello! Is there a way I can sort files starting with underscore (_) so that they appear first in nautilus ? |
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| 18:33.10 | BadCodSmell | How can I stop the console from blanking in debian? Appending consoleblank=0 to the kernel doesn't work. |
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| 18:34.42 | SynrG | WormFood: back to my original suggestion, bc does "quickly and easily generate hex" by setting obase=16. so i don't know if your "don't tell me how to script this" would have you reject this solution: echo 'obase=16; for (x=1; x<=16; x++) x' | bc |
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| 18:36.09 | SynrG | fennesz: define some custom LC_COLLATE? |
| 18:36.12 | mutante | or maybe you want to keep using seq but convert it inside your loop. for something in $(seq 1 20); do echo "obase=16; ${something}" | bc; done |
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| 18:42.13 | Jankevl | should I install avconv or ffmpeg? |
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| 18:43.48 | SynrG | Jankevl: this isn't a choice you can make until stretch. what release are you on? |
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| 18:45.07 | Jankevl | SynrG: I'm on Jessie |
| 18:45.22 | jelly | ffmpeg should be easily backportable if one really needs it |
| 18:45.37 | Jankevl | I don't really need it |
| 18:45.45 | Jankevl | just one or the other |
| 18:45.46 | SynrG | Jankevl: ffmpeg was replaced by libav-tools in wheezy and jessie. yes, as jelly says, for ffmpeg on jessie you would need a backport |
| 18:45.59 | SynrG | so install libav-tools |
| 18:46.01 | Jankevl | got it |
| 18:46.04 | Jankevl | thanks |
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| 18:51.33 | jelly | who knows, perhaps some day ffmpeg may appear in jessie-backports |
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| 18:54.40 | WormFood | mutante and SynrG, thanks for your suggestions guys. I totally forgot about obase. I'll probably make a function that acts like seq, so I can keep the same syntax I'm used to working with. |
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| 18:56.01 | SynrG | WormFood: cool. glad that was useful :) |
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| 18:56.26 | mutante | +1 |
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| 18:57.13 | WormFood | or perhaps I'll just use %x with printf, and format it on the go. I can use 0x__ notation with seq, of course, but it obviously turns it into decimal. |
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| 19:13.05 | mrpee | exit |
| 19:13.23 | calamba | hi, how do I start a program from command line, but while closing the terminal right after? |
| 19:13.35 | calamba | with the app still running obviously |
| 19:13.56 | ce5389q | command & |
| 19:13.57 | bagbobilgins | command & exit |
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| 19:14.23 | bagbobilgins | or alt and f2 for the run dialogue, in gnome, for example |
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| 19:14.33 | Kenny__ | I am running Debian 8 using only the command line interface and the window is only set one size. When I put it to full screen the text stays in a rectangle the size of when it first boots. How can I fix this or is it not able to be fixed? Also my host machine is Windows 10. I installed open-vm-tools and it won't let me install VMware tools through the CD/DVD drive. |
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| 19:16.50 | Kenny__ | I have even set it to my resolution. |
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| 19:18.11 | calamba | thx, gonna try now |
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| 19:21.32 | Tuplanolla | I'm faced with a really strange problem. I have lots of programs open, but I can't see them and wmctrl -l can't find the windows either; only xwininfo -root -tree can list them. |
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| 19:22.21 | markybob | Tuplanolla, ctrl+alt+-> (arrow) ? |
| 19:22.46 | markybob | and keep doing that until you find them |
| 19:23.08 | Tuplanolla | Nope. They're not on any workspace. |
| 19:23.24 | jhutchins | !kms |
| 19:23.25 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
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| 19:23.56 | Tuplanolla | I get this kinds of entries from xwininfo: 0x4200c4c "coqide": () 10x10+-100+-100 +-100+-100 |
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| 19:24.43 | jhutchins | Kenny__: You have what set to your resolution? |
| 19:24.59 | Tuplanolla | The negative numbers are suspicious. |
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| 19:25.18 | Kenny__ | jhutchins: the Virtual Machine |
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| 19:25.40 | calamba | bagbobilgins: its staying in my terminal :/ |
| 19:25.50 | jhutchins | Still don't knwo what you've set, but I suspect this might help: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/17027/how-to-set-the-resolution-in-text-consoles-troubleshoot-when-any-vga-fail |
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| 19:26.06 | jhutchins | Kenny__: ^ - most of us just put up with it and use ssh. |
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| 19:26.15 | asterismo_m | hi ppl |
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| 19:26.30 | Kenny__ | jhutchins: I didn't know if there was a fix or not |
| 19:26.59 | jhutchins | Kenny__: See the link above. |
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| 19:28.51 | Tuplanolla | I just managed to move one window back and it turned up as a gray square. I used this: xdotool windowmove --sync 0x424b845 0 0 |
| 19:28.57 | Tuplanolla | Not what I expected. |
| 19:29.32 | NoirLess | someone know, when next stable update ll come? Cuz these bugged intel drivers... |
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| 19:29.49 | greycat | Stable doesn't get new drivers, typically. Look to backports for that. |
| 19:30.20 | NoirLess | last time, when im installed smthing from backports, i got a lot of bugs :D |
| 19:31.22 | jhutchins | NoirLess: Still, that's how it's done. |
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| 19:31.38 | asterismo_m | hi guys |
| 19:31.43 | greycat | The alternative is to use less shiny hardware. |
| 19:31.53 | jhutchins | Although I think I've seen updated Xorg drivers, just not kernel module updates. |
| 19:32.12 | jhutchins | NoirLess: Which Intel chipset are you having trouble with? |
| 19:32.36 | asterismo_m | i would like someone help me to see if my current email provider servers are in good shape |
| 19:32.44 | NoirLess | my hardware isnt shiny. But i've got old bug, when bumblebee cant switch sometimes from intel gpu to nvidia, cuz of smthing in intel drivers |
| 19:32.50 | asterismo_m | where i can ask for help in this? |
| 19:33.05 | jhutchins | asterismo_m: Define "in good shape". |
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| 19:33.37 | asterismo_m | good and valid certs, secure |
| 19:33.42 | jhutchins | NoirLess: That's more how the manufacturer has implemented the system, which is inconsistent. |
| 19:33.44 | asterismo_m | that kind of shape |
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| 19:34.45 | fdhhdf | hello |
| 19:34.45 | NoirLess | i have Intel HD Graphics 4600 |
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| 19:35.23 | NoirLess | and got this bug: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3506 |
| 19:35.25 | fdhhdf | I achieve booting the Debian System with HD full via the Live CD |
| 19:36.11 | fdhhdf | So, how can I restore my system to a new HD with more HD ? |
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| 19:38.07 | NoirLess | oh damn, i needs to restart. Gnome falls to lags every 2 mins for no reason |
| 19:38.33 | jhutchins | ,v libdrm-intel1 |
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| 19:38.34 | judd | Package: libdrm-intel1 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.4.21-1~squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 2.4.26-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.4.40-1~deb7u2; jessie: 2.4.58-2; sid: 2.4.64-1; stretch: 2.4.64-1 |
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| 19:39.16 | jhutchins | NoirLess: It looks like the problem should be solved in current jessie - and it's not Intel drivers. |
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| 19:45.07 | asterismo_m | anyone? |
| 19:45.43 | asterismo_m | what is the situable channel for this? |
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| 19:49.39 | jhutchins | asterismo_m: I think perhaps you'd be better off looking for posts about your specific provider and what experience people have had with them. |
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| 19:51.11 | jhutchins | asterismo_m: If you google "evaluating your mail provider security" you'll get useful articles like this: http://www.rackspace.com/blog/5-tips-for-evaluating-an-email-provider/ |
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| 19:52.12 | jhutchins | asterismo_m: Something a bit more enterprise-level: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/security/intelligence/asp-eval.html |
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| 19:53.34 | martin-_-_ | i just got the feeling my debian is just uninstalling it self |
| 19:53.39 | martin-_-_ | with apt-get autoremove :O |
| 19:53.47 | CristianCT46 | Hi guys! |
| 19:54.57 | zi2b2 | Hello. Can anyone help me out? I installed debian testing, i chose gnome as my DE. Every time i login through the login manager, briefly, a message will appear saying "Oh no! Something has gone wrong, A problem has occurred and the system can't recover.". Then after around two seconds the session starts normally as if that message meant nothing. Anyone know what could be causing this? |
| 19:55.18 | waytonton | my usb is mounting as read only ,I can't even delete a file from it as root |
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| 19:55.34 | mutante | zi2b2: no idea why, but at least i can confirm that issue. i have it too,i just ignored it |
| 19:56.20 | mutante | it's not every time. i think only when it woke up from some power saving state |
| 19:56.28 | CristianCT46 | Can you try to help me solve this problem? My keyboard has enter key broken. On Windows i use Autohotkey to set RightShift (which i don't use) to be Enter key. On linux (LinuxMintDebian actually) there's the option to create personalized keyboard shortcut from settings, but no option allow to 'replace a key'. Is there some program, script, whatever elese can i use to do this?3 |
| 19:56.55 | zi2b2 | mutante, Hmm, it seems to happen to me every single time i log in, even rebooting |
| 19:57.22 | zi2b2 | mutante, By any chance are you using dual graphics with intel? |
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| 19:57.54 | jhutchins | CristianCT46: Look for information on "keyboard mapping". |
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| 19:58.13 | markybob | CristianCT46, mint isn't supported here |
| 19:58.17 | mog | hi im running debian stretch and having an issue with packages not being in sync http://pastebin.ca/3156180 |
| 19:58.33 | mutante | zi2b2: it's a Lenovo Thinkpad X220, so Intel Graphics, yes, dual i think not |
| 19:58.33 | CristianCT46 | jhutchins: is that a channel here on freenode? |
| 19:58.34 | waytonton | and when I try :sudo mount -o remount,rw /media/MonterFolderName I get mount: can't find /media/andrew/ in /etc/fstab |
| 19:58.40 | markybob | !mint |
| 19:58.40 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 19:58.53 | jhutchins | CristianCT46: No, it's keywords to search for. |
| 19:59.02 | RoyK | !stretch |
| 19:59.02 | dpkg | The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch |
| 19:59.11 | CristianCT46 | jhutchins: :) thanks |
| 19:59.37 | zi2b2 | mutante, Ah okay. I have intel too. One strange thing is that the problem never occurs when i login using wayland gnome. However, wayland gnome is buggy for me in general |
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| 19:59.40 | waytonton | and also this when use that command on a specific usb: ount: cannot remount /dev/sdb1 read-write, is write-protected |
| 19:59.51 | mog | i tried a reinstall of wxpython from the package but that didnt work |
| 20:00.02 | mog | it looks like they are slightly out of sync |
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| 20:01.17 | CristianCT46 | . |
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| 20:07.23 | jhutchins | mog: The program doesn't work with the python version from your release. |
| 20:07.33 | jhutchins | mog: It's a problem with your program, not with debian. |
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| 20:08.49 | mog | jhutchins, its printrun a really common program for 3d printing. it ran on this system a month ago, during that time i am sure i have done apt-get upgrades |
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| 20:09.02 | mog | im fairly certain it is this mismatch issue not the program |
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| 20:09.53 | jhutchins | mog: Go to wherever you got printrun and look for a newer version. |
| 20:10.15 | mog | they havent changed program in that time , i am on latest git revision |
| 20:10.25 | jhutchins | mog: It's clearly not a mismatch issue, even thought the error messages suggests that. Note that the version numbers reported are the same. |
| 20:10.41 | mog | im fine if you cant help but its not a bug with printrun |
| 20:10.46 | jhutchins | mog: The "mismatch" is between the libary the programs expects and what's installed on your system. |
| 20:10.47 | mog | and it says 1009 vs 1002 |
| 20:10.51 | mog | different numbers |
| 20:10.58 | mog | of abi |
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| 20:11.57 | jhutchins | mog: Do other python programs work on your sysetm? |
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| 20:12.20 | mog | other python programs do, but i dont use other wxpython programs |
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| 20:12.59 | jhutchins | mog: Have you searched for a bugreport? |
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| 20:13.15 | mog | on both debian and printrun bug tracker |
| 20:13.53 | jhutchins | mog: The point being that if this were a debian problem, other things would be failing. |
| 20:14.15 | jhutchins | mog: Unless you've installed python components from some other source, like directly from python. |
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| 20:14.24 | mog | id have thought so too, i think its more likely a probelm with my system some how |
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| 20:14.29 | mog | i just dont know what could have caused it |
| 20:15.04 | jhutchins | mog: Since printrun isn't a debian package, I would look there first; see if there's a newer version. |
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| 20:16.24 | mog | i just wish i could tell what was going on besides program aborting, i know that if i just reinstall my system it will work as its not a bug reported elsewhere and it would be a big bug if it were |
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| 20:19.53 | waytonton | could anyone tell me why all my usbs are mounted as read only ? |
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| 20:21.23 | greycat | What file system is on them? Are they readonly for root, or only for regular users? |
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| 20:22.40 | jhutchins | waytonton: I haven't found anybody who can explain why, but someone thought that was a good default. |
| 20:22.43 | waytonton | greycat: fat32, they are read only for root, su and regular user |
| 20:23.16 | jhutchins | waytonton: Some DEs or File Managers will mount them in userspace, but you can set up options based on the UUID in /etc/fstab |
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| 20:24.11 | lindenk | hey, is there a way to install slapd without any user interaction? |
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| 20:25.43 | jhutchins | lindenk: What do you mean by interaction? |
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| 20:26.21 | lindenk | well, when i try to install it (with apt), it asks me for some setup info like what the ldap admin password should be |
| 20:26.34 | lindenk | with an ncurses gui |
| 20:26.39 | gox39 | hi people, I have been searching for a package which downloads for you youtube links. it isn't youtube-dl, it runs from the terminal |
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| 20:27.30 | lindenk | I'm trying to set an ldap server up in a docker image so the whole things needs to be scriptable |
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| 20:29.38 | mog | jhutchins, actualy its a debian thing because ive discovered just calling import wxPython from a python shell causes my python to crash |
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| 20:33.40 | ctmjr | gox39: are you talking about cclive |
| 20:34.09 | gox39 | ctmjr: no just found it :) it was mps-youtube :) but thx |
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| 20:36.08 | richie__ | what command do i put to find out what version of debian i have? |
| 20:36.16 | richie__ | thru the cli |
| 20:36.46 | markybob | richie__, cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:38.26 | richie__ | is there any other markybob? |
| 20:39.03 | markybob | richie__, cat /etc/issue |
| 20:39.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | cat /etc/*release* |
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| 20:39.10 | markybob | richie__, but why do you need another method? |
| 20:39.18 | richie__ | i need a command that tells me alittle more |
| 20:39.27 | WangDang_ | richie: "lsb_release -a" |
| 20:39.31 | markybob | richie__, then be more specific. what do you need? |
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| 20:39.44 | greycat | cat /etc/debian_version *is* the entire version number |
| 20:40.01 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 20:40.01 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 20:40.11 | richie__ | #markybob my teacher is giving me a hard time never is satissfied |
| 20:40.23 | markybob | richie__, and they're asking for what? |
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| 20:40.30 | markybob | richie__, you have the full info already |
| 20:40.49 | greycat | "check sources.list" can be very misleading around here, with people doing frankendebians and half-broken upgrades |
| 20:41.38 | jelly | and it's arguably right. Is it really release X if someone's managed to install libc6 from X+1 |
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| 20:42.15 | richie__ | the lsb_realease -a was a good command thanks to you NoImNotNineVolt |
| 20:42.29 | Dan34 | hi, how to change the root password on jessie? please |
| 20:42.48 | richie__ | thanks markybob that also worked |
| 20:42.54 | markybob | Dan34, passwd as root |
| 20:42.58 | greycat | Dan34: if you can login as root already, just run passwd |
| 20:43.21 | greycat | if you can't login directly as root, but you can sudo, then run sudo passwd root |
| 20:43.36 | Dan34 | i know the root password i just need to change it |
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| 20:44.41 | jelly | Dan34: so, what's the problem? |
| 20:44.50 | Dan34 | su ---> password passw [enter] ? |
| 20:45.22 | jelly | the command is "passwd" |
| 20:45.30 | Dan34 | ok thanks |
| 20:45.47 | chunk_ | How would you add a user to the sudoers file? |
| 20:46.11 | markybob | chunk_, visudo |
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| 20:47.00 | jelly | or even visudo -f /etc/sudoers.d/local |
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| 20:49.46 | chunk_ | I added my my user under the root user but when i wrote out it said ther was a syntax error |
| 20:50.54 | markybob | chunk_, what'd you do it like? on my laptop, for example, i have it as markybob ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL (but of course you can have other options) |
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| 20:52.53 | chunk_ | Im dumb, i overlooked a typo |
| 20:53.08 | chunk_ | It works now :D thanks for the help |
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| 20:58.03 | jhutchins | chunk_: Actually, the correct way for Debian is tl add the sudo group to your user (usermod -a -G sudo username) |
| 20:58.15 | jhutchins | chunk_: Then log out and log back in. |
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| 20:58.59 | jhutchins | !sudo |
| 20:58.59 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 21:01.23 | Nik05 | i got 5 dns servers in resolv.conf but it looks like only the first one is connected with and if it doesnt give a response the others are not looked at |
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| 21:01.46 | greycat | Traditionally it stops after 3 anywya. |
| 21:02.03 | Nik05 | this is really strange |
| 21:02.12 | Nik05 | im pinging my dns servers and everything works fine |
| 21:02.25 | Nik05 | but when i do an dns requests everything goes slow |
| 21:03.00 | greycat | "Up to MAXNS (currently 3, see <resolv.h>) name servers may be listed, one per keyword." |
| 21:03.10 | Nik05 | dig says this ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 21:03.30 | greycat | See "man resolv.conf" in the nameserver paragraph. |
| 21:04.08 | Nik05 | yes oke, doesnt matter |
| 21:04.21 | jhutchins | Nik05: try dig @<server> <host> |
| 21:04.22 | Nik05 | but still the 3 dns servers i can reach with ping but dig gives timeouts |
| 21:04.45 | jelly | dig doesn't use the same options as the glibc resolver, Nik05. Try "getent hosts ..." |
| 21:04.46 | greycat | The man page doesn't say how long it takes for each try to time out. |
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| 21:05.23 | Nik05 | seems to be working all again :S |
| 21:05.29 | Nik05 | ah this is annoying to debug |
| 21:06.51 | Nik05 | could my router do anything? |
| 21:06.52 | markybob | Nik05, i wonder what would happen if you tested your network in general. a hundreds pings of a server you know to be good, for example (hopefully your own. if you don't have one i'll give you one of my server's ip). |
| 21:07.18 | jhutchins | jelly: THat's the point, including specifying the server. |
| 21:07.20 | Nik05 | like a ping -f? |
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| 21:07.49 | markybob | Nik05, i'll msg you one of my server's ip's, okay? |
| 21:07.56 | Nik05 | markybob dont need to |
| 21:08.00 | markybob | okay |
| 21:08.01 | Nik05 | evything works fine again |
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| 21:08.59 | Nik05 | and i also dont see any problems in my network or connection with the outside |
| 21:09.11 | Nik05 | but thank you markybob |
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| 21:12.53 | abferm | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.13 | greycat | people still use flash? daaamn. |
| 21:13.35 | johnkeates | i tech my gf to use flash |
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| 21:13.38 | johnkeates | teach* |
| 21:13.43 | johnkeates | no problem with that |
| 21:14.01 | johnkeates | but flash on my battle station, no, not using it there |
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| 21:23.07 | pentiumone133 | hi whats the easiest way to tell if a network card im about to buy is compatible with the debian im running ? |
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| 21:24.04 | markybob | pentiumone133, you can give us a chipset |
| 21:24.48 | pentiumone133 | markybob: its an 49Y4230 which is an intel I340 |
| 21:25.07 | pentiumone133 | also refered to as intel 82580 |
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| 21:26.04 | johnkeates | yes, I340 works |
| 21:26.06 | johnkeates | i have one running |
| 21:26.09 | markybob | pentiumone133, you can make it work from my minute of google. |
| 21:26.34 | pentiumone133 | johnkeates: plug and play or did you have to fuss with it |
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| 21:26.49 | johnkeates | Don't remember :P I have a T4 version, I think it was PnP |
| 21:27.10 | rozie | pentiumone133: it's igb driver if I see correctly. pretty common hardware |
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| 21:27.35 | johnkeates | I also have a I350 T2 on a supermicro box |
| 21:27.43 | johnkeates | 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation I350 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 01) |
| 21:27.43 | johnkeates | 01:00.1 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation I350 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 01) |
| 21:27.50 | pentiumone133 | alright thanks. i figured intel would be the safe bet. ive put a million pro/1000PT into systems and they always worked fine but never worked with these newer ones |
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| 21:28.28 | rozie | intel nics have usually good Linux support |
| 21:28.35 | joker_89 | i am using ldap but i cannot login to phpldapadmin |
| 21:28.41 | greycat | johnkeates: "lspci -nn" gives the [hhhh:hhhh] part |
| 21:28.44 | johnkeates | I have pretty much put almost all the 1Gb/s cards with 2 or 4 ports on debian boxes last few months |
| 21:29.01 | johnkeates | (yes, it's the [8086:1521]) |
| 21:29.26 | pentiumone133 | thanks for the confirmation guys |
| 21:30.03 | johnkeates | i have been doing SoHo upgrades for a few older clients over the past few months, all of them needed better/more ports on their Xen hosts, turns out most of the I2xx and I3xx are best in terms of stock and pricing :) |
| 21:30.30 | jelly | judd: pciid 8086:1521 |
| 21:30.31 | judd | [8086:1521] is 'I350 Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'igb', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1521 |
| 21:31.00 | jelly | "igb" sounds like a driver |
| 21:31.12 | johnkeates | it's the intel new-age gbit chip driver |
| 21:31.17 | johnkeates | works like a blast |
| 21:31.24 | johnkeates | blasts like work |
| 21:31.28 | johnkeates | likes work blasts? |
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| 21:31.47 | johnkeates | might even blast work likes |
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| 21:36.41 | intelikey | i can't keep my essid set, it keeps reverting to "ESSID:off/any" is there something i can do to change that permanantly ? |
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| 21:37.08 | johnkeates | yes, change the configuration files and you'll be fine |
| 21:37.27 | intelikey | johnkeates file ? |
| 21:37.57 | intelikey | are you refering to /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 21:38.03 | richie__ | !dmesg |
| 21:38.03 | dpkg | dmesg is used to examine or control the kernel ring buffer. /var/log/dmesg gives you the whole thing from boot time, the `dmesg' command shows you current ring buffer contents. |
| 21:38.10 | markybob | johnkeates, sure https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 21:38.27 | intelikey | ah that might help |
| 21:39.33 | johnkeates | yeah, sorry about dropping and hiding, had to pet my cat. cats can be very needy... |
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| 21:40.06 | johnkeates | anyway, there might be multiple reasons, best way to fix it is by first identifying which network system you use/want to use and then configure the specifics for that system |
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| 21:40.45 | johnkeates | I usually try to stay away from NetworkManager and stuff like that as I get annoyed more often than 'helped' by such tools |
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| 21:41.31 | markybob | johnkeates, then don't do it. command those are included in that how to. btw, networkmanager can be used from the command prompt without a gui |
| 21:42.38 | johnkeates | markybob: that's why I don't ;-) but it's more for intelikey, he was the one with questions |
| 21:42.40 | intelikey | yes that was helpful. one more thing, do i need to disable /etc/init.d/networkmanager for that to stay set ? |
| 21:42.50 | karlpinc | Is there a package that invokes debconf on install? I'm trying to reproduce a bug where "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive aptitude safe-upgrade" calls up debconf in readline mode. Maybe installing a package will exhibit the same bug. |
| 21:43.02 | johnkeates | intelikey: well, if you don't use, or don't want to use network manager, you can disable or uninstall it |
| 21:43.22 | johnkeates | intelikey: if you want to use static configuration or a different daemon, you can also remove network manager |
| 21:43.36 | markybob | johnkeates, my bad :P got it confused |
| 21:43.39 | johnkeates | intelikey: but if you configure your wifi using network manager, then by all means, leave it as-is :p |
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| 21:44.39 | johnkeates | markybob: it happens :p i once answered a question with a large blob of text but the guy asking was already gone, that's just a tad more confusing :p |
| 21:44.58 | intelikey | yeah i dont' think i have "ever" used network manager not even sure how. so i'll set it up in the config file and drop the daemon thanks johnkeates |
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| 21:45.18 | intelikey | thanks markybob |
| 21:45.24 | johnkeates | hth :) |
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| 21:50.47 | nffer | hey, does anyone know why the ipv6 security.debian.org is not working (in europe)? |
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| 21:51.44 | linnooby | can someone help me about terminal and tab to continue what i type. i dont have this option in debian, why? |
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| 21:53.18 | zykotick9 | linnooby: 1) are you using bash? and 2) do you have bash-completion installed? |
| 21:53.38 | linnooby | zykotick9, i will check now thanks for the tip |
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| 21:56.15 | linnooby | zykotick9, :)) thanks i just installed 'bash-competition' and i tab works now :) thanks! |
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| 21:56.29 | zykotick9 | linnooby: glad to help |
| 21:56.34 | linnooby | :) |
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| 21:57.36 | zykotick9 | linnooby: sidenote 3) if it's for root, "su -" will have root-completion while "su" won't... just FYI ;) |
| 21:58.38 | linnooby | zykotick9, yeah, i always need sudo when i installing something |
| 21:59.14 | zykotick9 | linnooby: ahhh, i haven't used sudo in a while, so not sure how it fits into the puzzle ;) |
| 21:59.33 | linnooby | zykotick9, what distro you have? |
| 21:59.38 | zykotick9 | debian |
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| 21:59.59 | linnooby | i have bunsenlabs wich is also based on debian |
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| 22:00.40 | linnooby | zykotick9, you know maybe how to put all my windows/programs in center when i run it? |
| 22:00.53 | nat0 | hi all - does anyone know whether .bashrc or .profile are sourced when running a command as a particular user via 'su'? |
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| 22:01.51 | zykotick9 | linnooby: i have no idea... probably DE/WM specific. BUT, if you're not using debian, you shouldn't be asking in this channel. Good luck. |
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| 22:24.35 | nebg | are there any (other) open source alternatives to ettercap ? |
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| 22:27.32 | johnkeates | depends on your scenario |
| 22:27.49 | johnkeates | there is one specifically for SSL stripping and HTTP stuff |
| 22:27.55 | johnkeates | and one for SSH MITM |
| 22:28.01 | johnkeates | and one for NTLM MITM |
| 22:28.06 | johnkeates | so, not AiO |
| 22:28.10 | johnkeates | but there are plenty of options |
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| 22:53.20 | xanthippe | how do I ipxe boot a debian image? |
| 22:53.26 | xanthippe | or debian preseed |
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| 22:53.37 | johnkeates | use the pxeboot image |
| 22:53.47 | johnkeates | you need to have a pxe boot server of |
| 22:53.51 | xanthippe | with UEFI |
| 22:53.55 | xanthippe | sorry forgot that part |
| 22:54.00 | johnkeates | doesn't make a difference |
| 22:54.13 | johnkeates | you need to get the machine to PXE :) |
| 22:54.21 | johnkeates | either using a built-in PXE-NIC |
| 22:54.29 | johnkeates | or using a UEFI iPXE bootdrive |
| 22:54.32 | xanthippe | hmm okay. I'm using the initrd.gz and linux files from PXE on iPXE when the server is loading iPXE with UEFI |
| 22:54.53 | johnkeates | so it's starting iPXE? |
| 22:54.59 | xanthippe | it's able to load them, but it's giving kernel panics before it loads the installer |
| 22:55.02 | xanthippe | yea |
| 22:55.19 | xanthippe | I was thinking that there might be some ~special~ UEFI files that need to be used but I'm not sure |
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| 22:59.49 | johnkeates | no, if the kernel boots, you're past UEFI |
| 23:00.01 | johnkeates | depending on the panic you might have some other issues |
| 23:00.58 | ryouma | are ordinary debian kernels just downloaded in binary form? or are they generated or modified by your local debian instance? |
| 23:01.16 | ryouma | where to i go to look up the hash of a kernel file? |
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| 23:01.56 | xanthippe | johnkeates: makes sense. I'll look around for options |
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| 23:02.42 | johnkeates | getting a kernel hash would help :) |
| 23:02.47 | johnkeates | we can see if your kernel is OK |
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| 23:07.41 | ryouma | johnkeates: ~# sha1sum /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 39026c5f0cdf5f06ec07ed1be99434d55e1deda0 /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 23:07.50 | ryouma | johnkeates: sha1sum /media/toshiba-root/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 0d79d234018c9909f92cb6ecd2c5f6e95a96db6e /media/toshiba-root/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 23:08.18 | ryouma | my backup has a different hash |
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| 23:08.30 | johnkeates | looks like something is wrong then ;-) |
| 23:08.35 | johnkeates | it's a good pointer :) |
| 23:08.50 | johnkeates | do you know what kind of panic you got when you booted? |
| 23:10.18 | ryouma | johnkeates: not getting a panic when booting, but i possibly screwed up /boot (not the kernel but something else like grub or initrd) and i am trying to decide whether to copy the slighly-outdated backup over /boot, or stick with current /boot. and having 2 different hashes makes me suspicious. which one is correct? or does debian normally change kernel files without changing their file names? |
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| 23:10.31 | ryouma | i want to be sure that i can reboot |
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| 23:10.32 | Maz | Hi |
| 23:10.47 | Maz | I fap on debian, does that makes me weird? |
| 23:10.55 | johnkeates | Maz: no |
| 23:10.59 | Maz | Cool :$ |
| 23:11.09 | johnkeates | ryouma: well, if you compare the hashes with online copies you'll find which one is good |
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| 23:11.30 | ryouma | johnkeates: i can't find any online hashes for either. that is why i am asking. |
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| 23:11.57 | Carlito__ | hi all, I have this in my bash script: watch -n 3 âdmesg | tail -n 15â. When the command runs I am receiving: tail:15â: invalid number of lines |
| 23:12.23 | johnkeates | ryouma: well, vmlinuz changes if you use any dkms packages |
| 23:12.48 | johnkeates | Carlito__: not sure, but maybe guys over at the bash channel have more magic on that topic? |
| 23:12.51 | ryouma | johnkeates: and keeps the same file name? |
| 23:12.59 | johnkeates | ryouma: yes |
| 23:13.13 | johnkeates | ryouma: because the filename is 'calculated' from what it is |
| 23:13.14 | ryouma | great, thanks. that suggests to me that it is possible that both kernels are correct. |
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| 23:13.33 | johnkeates | yeah, they could be fine as-is :) |
| 23:13.53 | johnkeates | if they matched a known hash, you'd know they are guaranteed vanilla good kernels |
| 23:14.05 | Carlito__ | johnkeates: cool, thanks! |
| 23:14.08 | ryouma | i have the package "dkms" installed |
| 23:14.09 | johnkeates | it's more like a super good sign, than a bad sign if they aren't known yet |
| 23:14.30 | johnkeates | anyway, you can probably first try to boot into initramfs |
| 23:14.33 | ryouma | also virtualbox-dkms |
| 23:14.54 | johnkeates | yeah, that one compiles modules and maybe rebuilds the kernel (not sure) if it wants a compiled-in module |
| 23:15.10 | johnkeates | anyway, if you want to be super-sure, you can just add more kernels |
| 23:15.17 | johnkeates | it won't hurt ;-) |
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| 23:15.26 | ryouma | add more kernels? do you mean from backports? |
| 23:15.36 | johnkeates | well, as an option yeah |
| 23:15.42 | johnkeates | just search the package archives |
| 23:15.50 | johnkeates | the current version is usually not the only version in the repos |
| 23:16.03 | johnkeates | with apt, you can actually specify the exact version you want to install |
| 23:16.20 | johnkeates | so an older one could probably still be around for you to put next to the new one |
| 23:16.41 | johnkeates | but if you have an exact panic message it'd be a lot clearer what the problem is |
| 23:17.08 | ryouma | and then grub will give me a choice? or will it show me the new version only? if the latter, it is too risky as the kernel i find is 3.16 which is jessie's and jessie does not boot. |
| 23:17.48 | ryouma | if i have an exact panic message, then it is the human who is panicking, and not clear at all, because there will be no way to get back on irc |
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| 23:19.52 | Diitto | uh |
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| 23:24.25 | ryouma | ~# crc32 /media/toshiba-root/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 -> ffffffff |
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| 23:24.45 | AlexLikerock | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.46 | ryouma | now, crc32 is not a cryptographic hash, but that's a funny number, isn't it? |
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| 23:25.13 | AlexLikerock | and not work |
| 23:25.17 | AlexLikerock | i stop service |
| 23:25.21 | AlexLikerock | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.24 | AlexLikerock | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.28 | AlexLikerock | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.46 | AlexLikerock | any one ? |
| 23:25.47 | abrotman | AlexLikerock: you need to read the docs |
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| 23:26.03 | AlexLikerock | mmm |
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| 23:49.23 | AlexLikerock | "Before returning the document /usr/local/web/index.html, the server will read /.acl, /usr/.acl, /usr/local/.acl and /usr/local/web/ " |
| 23:49.48 | AlexLikerock | not found /usr/local/web/ |
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| 23:50.11 | AlexLikerock | talk aboout http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/core.html#accessfilename |
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| 23:52.38 | karlpinc | I'm looking for a jessie package that always invokes debconf on install so I can test why setting DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive still invokes debconf (when I do an "aptitude safe-upgrade"). Unless somebody can think of another way to test. |
| 23:54.27 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive isn't meant to skip debconf |
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| 23:55.04 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: it just accepts all the default choices, assuming that anything different you want will be preconfigured before the package run (e.g. via d-i preseeding or debconf-set-selections) |
| 23:55.19 | Hydroxide | (which change the default to match what you want instead) |
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| 23:56.09 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: What about on upgrade? Shouldn't "noninteractive" just skip debconf, the default being to leave the current config? |
| 23:56.40 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: no. of course it gives the package different arguments so that the configure script should know it's undergoing an upgrade |
| 23:56.57 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: certainly debian packages ought to respect user edits. what problem are you having? |
| 23:57.09 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: Bug#795396 |
| 23:57.34 | combatdud3 | During what part of the install process is /var/cache/apt/archives created? I'm trying to net install using a preseed file. However debootstrap fails because it can't find the packages. I've checked where it is looking for them and it (/var/cache/apt/archives) doesn't exist. |
| 23:58.18 | combatdud3 | Nvm |
| 23:58.37 | combatdud3 | Find them. They're in /target/var/cache/apt/archives. |
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| 23:58.52 | combatdud3 | But that's not where anna is looking for them. How do I adjust that? |
| 23:58.56 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: it's certainly supposed to work, but indeed not specific to aptitude most likely |
| 23:59.17 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: are you running aptitude as root or as non-root? |
| 23:59.19 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: I'd fool with it more, but how? |
| 23:59.23 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: root |
| 23:59.33 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: try with apt-get upgrade, for one. |
| 23:59.39 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: It happened to apache last time it upgraded. |
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| 23:59.43 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: if that behaves the same, it's not an aptitude bug |
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