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| 00:10.18 | someonelost | How do I remove the hostname that appears in the login screen on Debian Jessie? Help |
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| 00:11.02 | markybob | someonelost, you can change it. you can't remove it |
| 00:11.25 | eclectichedgehog | you could have no hostname but thats not a good idea |
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| 00:12.03 | someonelost | markybob, Could you please point me to a resource that shows how to modify it? |
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| 00:12.29 | markybob | someonelost, man hostname |
| 00:12.32 | Equa | someonelost: edit /etc/hosts |
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| 00:12.37 | markybob | no |
| 00:12.40 | eclectichedgehog | someonelost, /etc/hostname |
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| 00:13.35 | someonelost | Thank you all. |
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| 00:16.36 | markybob | which isn't what i said. but whatever |
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| 00:44.24 | Vasistha | I have a few computers that have no wide internet access. I find that their clocks wander; one is 15 minutes off. Is the hardware clock also wandering, along with the kernel clock? Is there a way I can prevent this, without ntp? |
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| 00:45.58 | at0m | Vasistha: can one of them get online once in a while? have that one run ntpd maybe? |
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| 00:46.05 | squinty | Vasistha, could be a sign of a dying battery (internal to the computer for powering BIOS/clock when power is removed) |
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| 00:46.23 | Vasistha | at0m: nope. |
| 00:47.28 | Vasistha | squinty: no, brand new computers, and there are several doing it. I believe it's something to do with the linux kernel's tick-tick or something. |
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| 00:48.27 | abrotman | you can't get an ntpd internally? |
| 00:48.43 | linux_dr | I did a bit of googling, but couldn't figure this one out: How do I get a list of SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED installed packages from the apt* system? (I'm talking about all packages that were neither default installed OS packages, or packages installed as dependancies of other packages?) |
| 00:48.43 | Vasistha | my wristwatch keeps good time. The $10 wall clock in my kitchen keeps good time. I mean, I have to adjust them twice a year for daylight savings time, but I don't think they wander more than 10 seconds in that 6 months. But these linux boxes are wandering a minute or more every month. |
| 00:49.07 | abrotman | dpkg: tell linux_dr about installed |
| 00:49.24 | Vasistha | abrotman: I could, but how does that help? There are 3 computers on this local network, and all of them have time wandering issues |
| 00:49.34 | abrotman | Vasistha: and none have internet? |
| 00:49.50 | abrotman | or have access to another system that does have internet? |
| 00:49.52 | Vasistha | abrotman: correct, it's a security concern. |
| 00:50.00 | abrotman | or have access to another system that does have internet? |
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| 00:50.51 | linux_dr | abrotman: I use dpkg -l quite a bit... what am I missing? (it sounds like something obvious) |
| 00:50.52 | abrotman | waits ... |
| 00:51.05 | abrotman | linux_dr: read the whole thing |
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| 00:51.35 | linux_dr | muses that "reading" and "understanding" aren't the same thing.. lol |
| 00:51.46 | squinty | Vasistha, new computers don't specifically mean new batteries. did you buy them at the same time/distributor etc? Anyways, personally I pop the batteries and test them with a voltmeter to rule them out completely |
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| 00:52.01 | abrotman | waits for Vasistha to answer the second question |
| 00:52.08 | Vasistha | there's a concern about security, so these computers are kept fully segregated from the wide internet at all times. |
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| 00:53.53 | Vasistha | but honestly even if it was just one computer in a shack in rural siberia, isolated from all internets, why does the clock wander so much? We've had affordable quartz clocks keeping good time since the 80s. There is something wrong here that is not a battery. |
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| 00:54.44 | at0m | Vasistha: linux doesn't keep the time - that'll be the RTC, on the motherboard |
| 00:55.30 | at0m | linux has ntp to correct for the RTC clock drift. |
| 00:55.31 | squinty | ok now how do you know that for sure when you say you haven't tested the batteries to eliminate them? anyways, end of conversation for me as you obviously only want to listen to what you want to hear |
| 00:56.03 | TJ- | Vasistha: the hwclock (RTC) can wander quite remarkably. The OS system time is usually synced to the hwclock on start-up/shutdown, depending on init job settings. With Internet connections systems will use ntpdate to sync. Even without WAN, you can use ntp from am MSF-60 radio time signal |
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| 00:56.44 | at0m | squinty: he'll notice when the bios resets and date goes to 1996 |
| 00:56.52 | squinty | heh |
| 00:56.57 | Vasistha | thanks TJ- that's what I'm talking about. |
| 00:57.03 | abrotman | Vasistha: did you buy shoddy hardware? |
| 00:57.09 | TJ- | Vasistha: OS time will be quite inaccurate over time. You can compare hwclock and OS time after a few days to see the OS drift |
| 00:57.24 | Vasistha | feels vindicated |
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| 00:57.44 | TJ- | Vasistha: you can also sync NTP from cheap and cheerful GPS receivers |
| 00:57.59 | squinty | not really "vindicated" as tj (as is mine) is only one possibilty |
| 00:58.41 | linux_dr | aboman: I'm sorry... I'm still not getting it. It sounds like you are implying that there is something stately expressed in dpkg -l to indicate if a package was installed because of a dependency or not, but I'm not seeing it in the man pages I'm looking at. Can you clarify at all? |
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| 00:58.51 | abrotman | linux_dr: use the aptitude command |
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| 00:59.50 | Vasistha | TJ-: I tend to shut down every evening, so the OS drift away from RTC gets reset daily, and doesn't become an issue. But these are some interesting solutions for the RTC drift, any idea how I should search for such a device? Maybe I can find one that connects via usb, and I can then configure an ntp server? |
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| 01:00.34 | Vasistha | Of course actually what I would love is to just get a simple quartz clock that connects to usb, since the computers want to count nanoseconds and then fail at keeping good time :( heh oh well. It's not such a bad problem to have |
| 01:01.15 | Vasistha | abrotman: thinkpads and shuttle computers |
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| 01:01.46 | TJ- | Vasistha: well, cheap GPs receivers using NEMA and a serial port (or serial over USB) can be had for a few pennies,and are simply to read. There are several already supported in ntpd |
| 01:02.15 | linux_dr | abrotman: looking at the aptitude man page, it sounds like installed packages are marked as manually or automatically installed. Is that what you're referring to? |
| 01:02.21 | TJ- | Vasistha: see http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/ConfiguringNMEARefclocks |
| 01:02.31 | Vasistha | awesome, thank you!! |
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| 01:03.07 | abrotman | linux_dr: the factoid told you how to do it with aptitude |
| 01:03.40 | frostschutz | Vasistha, I had a kitchen clock that went turbo after putting a few solar panels on the roof outside... I guess it relied on 60hz from the power grid and sensitive to minimal jitter... and many clocks are radio controlled these days. It's not just computers that have trouble keeping time. |
| 01:05.26 | abrotman | wonders if anyone else saw the notes about Secure NTP recently |
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| 01:06.30 | Vasistha | frostschutz: haha! yeah, I have a friend who tells of an older clock where he reversed the polarity of the battery and it ran backwards. Confused many a guest. I also remember substitute teaching at a school where they had a bunch of radio clocks but the school was in the hills and didn't get a good signal, so all the clocks were off. |
| 01:07.23 | anonchaos | hello i am currently moving on to debian which would be best for desktop and is there a replacement for muon in debian i have stable in a virtual machine now ais testing stable for desktop use ? |
| 01:10.33 | Vasistha | anonchaos: I use aptitude for package management, although perhaps you have needs beyond what aptitude does? |
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| 01:10.57 | jmcnaught | linux_dr: you're trying to get a list of packages installed manually, excluding packages installed by the installer? That last part might be tricky, but there is "apt-mark showmanual" and 'aptitude search "?installed ?not(?automatic)"'. That will get you part of the way there. |
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| 01:11.40 | abrotman | jmcnaught: /msg dpkg installed |
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| 01:11.58 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:12.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell linux_dr about aptitude clone |
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| 01:12.55 | abrotman | would help if i pointed linux_dr at the right factoid .. :( |
| 01:13.04 | anonchaos | Well what i am looking for is i like the way muon notifiers me and has a seperate easy to see list of programs that have updates. thats what im looking for i use synaptic im fine with that i just want something for updates if that makes sense i got use to muon in kubuntu. |
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| 01:13.19 | abrotman | linux_dr: sorry about that |
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| 01:13.54 | jmcnaught | abrotman: yeah i read the factoid, figured you didn't read linux_dr's full question |
| 01:13.57 | Delf | dpkg: tell me about aptitude clone |
| 01:14.04 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Delf about selftell |
| 01:14.11 | abrotman | jmcnaught: I did, I just had a brain fart :( |
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| 01:14.55 | Delf | abrotman: I did msg dpkg first! It ignored me. Could it be because I left the channel before messaging it? |
| 01:15.30 | ctmjr | anonchaos: if your new to debian or linux in general your better of using stable for your desktop needs and run testing in a vm |
| 01:15.42 | abrotman | Delf: yes |
| 01:16.39 | Delf | Ah⦠my bad. Didn't know :) |
| 01:16.41 | Vasistha | anonchaos: yeah that's a reasonable thing to want. I sometimes forget about updates for longer than I should. Well there |
| 01:16.46 | Vasistha | anonchaos: there's this: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=update-notifier&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search |
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| 01:17.06 | Vasistha | oh I guess it is called gnome-packagekit now |
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| 01:18.09 | linux_dr | abrotman: I think that makes a bit more sense... thanks |
| 01:18.41 | linux_dr | is it my imagination, or are man pages more opaque then they were 15+ years ago? |
| 01:19.13 | abrotman | man pages aren't glamorous! |
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| 01:19.25 | abrotman | linux_dr: there's a QA project to help if you'd like |
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| 01:19.51 | linux_dr | abrotman: of course not... but it used to be you can look at something next to a man page, and figure out what it's trying to do... |
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| 01:20.47 | jmcnaught | linux_dr: the search terms for aptitude are not in the man page, but you can view them here: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 01:21.21 | linux_dr | aboman: For instance, your example: "aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v'" -F is for formatting, but I saw no reference to %p... and I'm not even sure how to pick that other string apart. |
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| 01:22.37 | jmcnaught | linux_dr: if you explore the rest of the reference manual there is also a page about the format strings under "customizing the package list" |
| 01:22.53 | Vasistha | linux_dr: dunno if this has been mentioned or is relevant, but it is often possible to look at a package's priority (e.g. important or required) to determine if it's installed on a base system. Maybe even always. You can search with ~p |
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| 01:23.50 | anonchaos | im not accually new ive used kubuntu for like 6 years now. i just havent used debian and i have it in a vm now im trying to see what i need before i make the switch. And im checking out the update-notifier now. Apper from what i see is similar to muon but it doesnt have the updates seperated in categorys |
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| 01:24.45 | Vasistha | linux_dr: %p is package name, ~i means installed, !~M means not automatic (thus manual) and !~v means not virtual |
| 01:25.06 | linux_dr | thinks liking the % codes in the printf man page must make him old school... :-/ |
| 01:25.11 | bazhang | ,v muon |
| 01:25.12 | judd | Package: muon on amd64 -- stretch: 4:5.3.2-3; sid: 4:5.3.2-3 |
| 01:25.14 | Vasistha | I've used something similar and also added !~prequired !~pimportant |
| 01:25.55 | linux_dr | Vasistha: That's great... but where is that IN THE MAN PAGE??? |
| 01:26.08 | Vasistha | linux_dr: less /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 01:26.22 | Vasistha | it's the real manpage for aptitude :P I dunno why they don't just make that the manpage. |
| 01:26.26 | linux_dr | *blink* |
| 01:26.38 | anonchaos | yea i saw that i just couldnt get it to work in stable in the vm i may just try testing if oone of these two dont pan out |
| 01:27.39 | Vasistha | or at least reference it. |
| 01:27.40 | linux_dr | so, I'm just supposed to look in /usr/share/doc for fun when the man page comes up dry now? |
| 01:27.56 | Vasistha | well, for aptitude. I don't look there for anything else. Just for aptitude. |
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| 01:28.24 | abrotman | linux_dr: sometimes, you'll find gems in there, depends on the package |
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| 01:28.51 | jmcnaught | linux_dr: checking /usr/share/doc/$package is a good idea all the time, often there is a README.Debian that documents Debian specific stuff |
| 01:29.26 | Vasistha | linux_dr: it's a-maze-ing! Well mostly just a maze. |
| 01:29.38 | abrotman | or /usr/share/doc/$package/examples/ .. great for things with config files |
| 01:30.32 | linux_dr | I want clearly written, well laid out documentation. Not sagely gems of hidden incantations. :-( (ok... I'm done whining now... sorry...) |
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| 01:33.35 | abrotman | Patches welcome! |
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| 01:35.03 | dvs | weee don't neeeed no steeeteeekin patches! |
| 01:35.06 | Delf | Loves the examples @ doc. Easiest way for me to learn is by example :) |
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| 01:35.25 | Delf | Thanks a lot abrotman! |
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| 01:41.00 | anonchaos | ok thanks everyone you help out i think im gonna go with testing so i can use muon |
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| 01:51.16 | idiotisback | Can someone tell me what this sentence means? A database captures an abstract representation of the domain of an application |
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| 01:53.34 | ecbrown | hi all, i added httpredir, and I see http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/source/Sources: Hash Sum mismatch |
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| 01:54.20 | ecbrown | not sure why, it came from http://http.debian.net |
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| 01:55.13 | idiotisback | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
| 01:56.03 | dvs | ecbrown: They are the same place. |
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| 01:58.05 | ecbrown | dvs: i mean, the instructions came from debian.net, so i thought they would be current |
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| 01:59.46 | dvs | ecbrown: jessie-backports hasnt been working right for me either. My error says that the repo is out of date. |
| 02:00.02 | ecbrown | dvs: ok, thanks for confirming |
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| 02:01.18 | ecbrown | another question, should security be absolute last in the sources.list? |
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| 02:01.31 | Chocolate_Chip | Why is this happening: https://i.imgur.com/9WwINmU.png |
| 02:01.56 | ecbrown | i see some places suggesting this, then other seemingly authoratative sites keeping it in its default location, and putting volatile after it |
| 02:02.06 | Chocolate_Chip | It has said this for the past 4 weeks. I only noticed it because I was checking my plug-ins. It said this when I added it, and it says this now, two, threeweeks late |
| 02:02.10 | Chocolate_Chip | r*later |
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| 02:02.42 | foist | I can't seem to upgrade ruby. Here's the output of `dpkg -l "ruby*"` http://dpaste.com/107XNJW |
| 02:03.18 | foist | I did `sudo apt-get install ruby-full`, but that didn't produce the result I was after |
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| 02:06.38 | ecbrown | oh man, i want to lick this plasma 5 interface. can't wait to install it on metal |
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| 02:13.45 | jmcnaught | foist: maybe you should ask on the #ubuntu channel, only debian is supported here |
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| 02:16.02 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: Firefox downloads this plugin to support h.264. They have an arrangement with Cisco. I thought that Iceweasel disabled the plugin by default |
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| 02:16.53 | Chocolate_Chip | hmm |
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| 02:17.35 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: are you using Iceweasel? |
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| 02:19.49 | Chocolate_Chip | Yes |
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| 02:20.10 | Chocolate_Chip | I installed it through the command prompt (i forget the package) and it has said that |
| 02:20.59 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: what does "apt-cache policy iceweasel" say? |
| 02:23.23 | Chocolate_Chip | choco@debian:~$ apt-cache policy iceweasel |
| 02:23.23 | Chocolate_Chip | iceweasel: |
| 02:23.23 | Chocolate_Chip | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.23 | Chocolate_Chip | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:23.38 | Chocolate_Chip | Oops. I thought I copied the paste link |
| 02:23.39 | Chocolate_Chip | heh |
| 02:24.39 | Chocolate_Chip | http://pastebin.com/s6EySvxd |
| 02:24.55 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: okay, well if you don't want it, set it to "never activate" |
| 02:25.15 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: that should have been the default, did you activate it at some point? |
| 02:25.38 | Chocolate_Chip | I installed the package through apt-get |
| 02:25.45 | Chocolate_Chip | I forget the package name |
| 02:25.54 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: iceweasel? |
| 02:25.58 | Chocolate_Chip | The extention was retieved through apt-get |
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| 02:26.09 | Chocolate_Chip | it was XS-something-something |
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| 02:27.20 | blonkel | hey my server wasnt responding (not even on ssh) any idears what can cause situations like this: http://pastebin.com/EP24rZrL ? |
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| 02:28.17 | drwdal | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.22 | Chocolate_Chip | xul-ext-something |
| 02:28.37 | Chocolate_Chip | jmcnaught |
| 02:28.41 | blonkel | drwdal thanks for your password :D |
| 02:28.47 | drwdal | too late |
| 02:29.04 | drwdal | blonkel: it's not actually the hashed password |
| 02:29.07 | drwdal | is it? |
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| 02:29.17 | drwdal | is nickserv that weird |
| 02:29.22 | CHVNX | cnzhzpughsbc |
| 02:29.36 | blonkel | its plain |
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| 02:30.18 | blonkel | well any answers on my trouble? ;) |
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| 02:32.02 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: i don't know what package that would be, did you need to add a repo for it? there are a bunch of xul-ext-* packages for various Iceweasel extensions, but this is a plugin which is different. Maybe you're confusing it with something else? |
| 02:32.16 | drwdal | is it the tor compatibility one |
| 02:32.28 | drwdal | that one causes lots of problems |
| 02:32.35 | Chocolate_Chip | well i have forgotten then |
| 02:33.07 | Chocolate_Chip | I got it by accident when I did sudo apt-get install icedove. with a period at the end, then I removved everythign and kept a few things |
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| 02:35.28 | jmcnaught | Chocolate_Chip: i think you're thinking about something else. This openh264 plugin is downloaded by Firefox the first time it is run (happens outside of apt on a per user profile basis). It is disabled in Iceweasel. There's a bug report about it: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=769716 |
| 02:35.29 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/769716 in iceweasel (closed, security, experimental): «iceweasel: downloads Cisco's OpenH264 video codec»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-11-15; last modified: 2015-05-15. |
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| 02:39.16 | blonkel | journalctl --verify tells me : File corruption detected at /run/log/journal/575489e0268f48c39be50f8d8fddf616/system.journal:000000 (of 75497472 bytes, 0%) |
| 02:39.21 | blonkel | is it something i should worry about? |
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| 02:46.24 | jmcnaught | blonkel: i would worry about that, and the previous paste. is the server under heavy load or something? Some of the lines in http://pastebin.com/EP24rZrL mention tasks being blocked for 120 seconds, maybe something is eating all the resources? What type of system is this? |
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| 02:57.56 | blonkel | jmcnaught: depends the servers load is between 7-10 (quad + ht), io load is arround 10% (3x ssd raid(0),software) |
| 02:58.49 | blonkel | well journal system is in ram (tmpfs under /tmp), but the server has ecc so i guess its not broken or something? |
| 02:59.57 | blonkel | but i read journalctl --verify is very strict so, its possible that its to strict so.. |
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| 03:06.01 | jmcnaught | blonkel: i haven't encountered a corrupted journal yet myself. i suppose you could run a memtest86 on it, or disable some services temporarily to narrow down which one is causing the problem |
| 03:06.08 | ariqs | ok, so why won't the boot loaders install for me? |
| 03:07.53 | ariqs | this happened to me when I installed plain debian a couple years ago, but right now it's happening to me again with kali. Both the boot loaders that come with the installation won't install.... precisely why I don't know because the kali installer is a peice of junk that abstracts anything meaninful away, while failing to work properly every which way |
| 03:08.11 | ariqs | I think it has something to do with EFI |
| 03:08.56 | ariqs | anyway, it's totally out of my league in terms of things I know about, and I don't want to know it. I just want it to work :p |
| 03:09.06 | jmcnaught | ariqs: debian installs on EFI systems pretty well these days, so you could give it another shot. or ask in in a kali channel because kali is not supported here :) |
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| 03:10.01 | ariqs | jmcnaught: I'll pound the enter key harder next time! |
| 03:11.17 | blonkel | jmcnaught thanks for your guesses, well it was now once, maybe a rare issue.. ill will monitor it :/ |
| 03:11.36 | jmcnaught | blonkel: reading more about journal corruption, it seems like it usually happens when the journals are rotated, but your journal is just in /run so I don't know.. i would still be concerned, definitely worth keeping an eye on |
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| 03:19.49 | lemonade | Best way to get a script to run when I open my laptop's lid? |
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| 03:23.05 | gardllok | lemonade: What does your laptop do when you close the lid? Sleep? |
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| 03:23.32 | lemonade | I think so. Sorry, I'm a bit new to all this. |
| 03:23.38 | gardllok | Its okay |
| 03:23.59 | lemonade | Basically just wanna run i3lock on wake |
| 03:25.55 | gardllok | Looks like there is a "/etc/pm/sleep.d" directory that runs the scripts inside when returning from sleep/suspend |
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| 03:26.15 | gardllok | resources: http://askubuntu.com/questions/92218/how-to-execute-a-command-after-resume-from-suspend and http://askubuntu.com/questions/226278/run-script-on-wakeup |
| 03:26.24 | gardllok | hopefully that'll get you in the right direction |
| 03:26.30 | lemonade | Yeah, see, I read that too. But that directory doesn't seem to exsist. |
| 03:26.37 | lemonade | I mean, I did google this for a while before asking |
| 03:26.53 | lemonade | I think the info must be outdated. |
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| 03:27.21 | gardllok | I have that directory, debian jessie. |
| 03:27.23 | gardllok | hmmm |
| 03:27.47 | gardllok | What's your version? Maybe in a later version a newer method was introduced |
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| 03:28.03 | lemonade | How do I check? |
| 03:28.20 | lemonade | nm |
| 03:28.23 | lemonade | 8.1 |
| 03:28.26 | gardllok | Generally running in terminal: "cat /etc/debian_version" will tell you |
| 03:28.55 | gardllok | Strange, I think you should have that directory then |
| 03:29.05 | lemonade | Well I don't. |
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| 03:29.30 | cjen129 | if i have a usb wifi adapter and i do lsusb and it says realtek, to i install firmware-realtek-nonfree in debian? |
| 03:30.19 | gardllok | lemonade: Unless someother system is handling that type of operation...maybe try creating that directory and see if placing a script there will do the trick |
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| 03:30.31 | gardllok | Couldn't hurt...sorry I can't be of anymore help |
| 03:30.34 | lemonade | Hmm, good idea |
| 03:30.38 | ctmjr | cjen129: more than likely yes |
| 03:30.52 | lemonade | Thanks for the help. I always just seem to run into different problems from everyone else :P |
| 03:31.05 | vecciora | It's been 19 hours and the email I sent still not visible on the debian-kde mailing list archive. :( |
| 03:31.18 | gardllok | lemonade: lol it seems that way for all of us sometimes |
| 03:31.19 | cjen129 | ctmjr, then to get it working i assume it's wlan1 and do sudo ifconfig wlan1 up? |
| 03:31.31 | vecciora | Maybe I should send it again? |
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| 03:33.17 | gardllok | vecciora: There should be logs for that in /var/log, if that is you have access to that directory |
| 03:33.29 | gardllok | Maybe something in there could hint whether or not it was sent |
| 03:33.42 | ctmjr | cjen129: yes but make sure it is wlan1 run ifconfig -a to see it also if your network nanager should see it |
| 03:33.44 | lemonade | gardllok: Interestingly, this says the folder is in a different place http://askubuntu.com/questions/226278/run-script-on-wakeup |
| 03:33.52 | cjen129 | i'm getting "E: Unable to locate package firmware-realtek-nonfree" |
| 03:33.54 | gardllok | Depending on what the email had to go through to reach is destination, it could take awhile |
| 03:33.56 | vecciora | gardllok: I'm using gmail. |
| 03:34.00 | cjen129 | and i have nonfree in my sources.list |
| 03:34.04 | lemonade | A place that I seem to acctually have |
| 03:34.19 | ctmjr | !nonfree |
| 03:34.20 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 03:35.24 | gardllok | lemonade: That is strange but probably what you are looking for, with version changes there are such minor differences |
| 03:35.27 | gardllok | idk |
| 03:35.31 | cjen129 | ctmjr, i have deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
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| 03:35.52 | cjen129 | is it supposed to be nonfree and not non-free? |
| 03:35.53 | cjen129 | lol |
| 03:36.55 | gardllok | vecciora: If sent from gmail and you haven't got a bounce back yet then might be best to wait, however if you want to try again anyway I recommend using a verification flag on the email letting you know it reached the server you intended |
| 03:37.03 | cjen129 | no dpkg says it's non-free |
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| 03:37.06 | ctmjr | no it should be non-free |
| 03:37.06 | gardllok | I forgot exactly what it's called |
| 03:37.29 | gardllok | email recieved reciept or something to that effect |
| 03:38.22 | cjen129 | ctmjr, ok i just checked the debian packages site and apparently there is no firmware-realtek-nonfree package |
| 03:38.32 | cjen129 | how do you get the firmware then? |
| 03:38.34 | ctmjr | cjen129: sorry am kinda busy did you do an apt-get update after adding those lines |
| 03:38.52 | ctmjr | hold on will find it |
| 03:38.52 | cjen129 | no problem. and ya i updated |
| 03:38.57 | cjen129 | thanks :) |
| 03:40.43 | vecciora | gardllok: I fear that I'll be marked as spammer if I retry. |
| 03:41.26 | ctmjr | cjen129: looks like it is just realtek-firmware |
| 03:41.41 | ctmjr | or even firmware-realtek |
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| 03:43.08 | gardllok | nah, specially coming from gmail servers a second try isn't bad...for reassurance you could change subject and body a little |
| 03:43.10 | cjen129 | ctmjr, cool thanks for looking into it for me i saw the firmware-realtek package but was conditioned to look for -nonfree |
| 03:43.16 | gardllok | vecciora: ^ |
| 03:43.54 | gardllok | vecciora: also if you are flagged by some service you may contact said service and explain your situation to be removed from their list...IF you end up on one that is |
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| 03:46.38 | whatevrmkay | wont be marked as spammer.check ur ip against spam dbs online, if no results (could be dynamic ip, some bad user before you who did..), should be much required before a random home-user gets marked as spammer thru such automated systems, at least.. |
| 03:48.11 | whatevrmkay | at least if using web mail (gmail,asmost would with them..), sender ip should be in email header and surely be part of their spam filtering, as they'd handle spam from infected users sending similarly (spam) |
| 03:49.28 | whatevrmkay | aaaand, as much GOogle is snooping around, they'd likely already know enough about you judging by the smtp/pop3 access ips to tell you apart from others, and likely nearly be able to predict ur thoughts and behaviors,even.. :d.. don't think u'd have to worry,if not meant bad,unless overly excessive..google's filters shud be pretty good ^_^ |
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| 03:51.48 | knivsta | hi |
| 03:51.55 | gardllok | o/ |
| 03:51.55 | lemonade | clear |
| 03:52.00 | lemonade | oops |
| 03:52.10 | gardllok | hehe lemonade |
| 03:52.25 | blackjack | guys. like how long is debian 7 being supported? |
| 03:52.39 | blackjack | can i expect to use it for more than 3 years or more? |
| 03:52.50 | lemonade | gardllok: Still no luck. Tried so many things. it's almost 5am |
| 03:53.16 | vecciora | whatevrmkay gardllok thanks |
| 03:54.22 | gardllok | lemonade: verify it's not your script trying to run, for example use a more simple script echoing to file or something and see if that fails too. |
| 03:55.10 | lemonade | Good idea |
| 03:56.16 | gardllok | I've been in similiar situations where the conditions were provoking as they should but my script was failing and I kept going at the problem at the wrong aspect |
| 03:57.46 | blackjack | wonderss |
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| 04:01.00 | gardllok | blackjack: This is what I found here https://wiki.debian.org/LTS : "Debian 7 âWheezyâ from February 2016 to May 2018 " |
| 04:01.05 | gardllok | Maybe that helps? |
| 04:01.29 | gardllok | I'm not sure if that's solid to your question |
| 04:02.09 | gardllok | THat looks like the security support...which is probably most important imo |
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| 04:02.28 | blackjack | ok thanks |
| 04:02.32 | lemonade | gardllok: this is the script http://pastebin.com/45hT7DHt |
| 04:02.58 | blackjack | gardllok, are all debian wheezy be under the LTS program? |
| 04:03.08 | lemonade | gardllok: And I've followed gthis exactly. Allas, nothing http://askubuntu.com/questions/226278/run-script-on-wakeup |
| 04:03.11 | blackjack | or is it another Debian alternative? The "LTS" one? |
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| 04:04.05 | gardllok | blackjack: Again Im not so sure, I beleive for all wheezy in the aspect of its security updates, beyond that is unclear to me |
| 04:04.45 | fidy | I have CBpp installed (Debian base) and for some reason my internal WiFi isn't working, can someone help me? |
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| 04:05.11 | phy1729 | !based on debian |
| 04:05.11 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 04:06.32 | fidy | Cool, sorry for the bother. |
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| 04:06.44 | shay_shay | https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_general_problem.png |
| 04:09.06 | gardllok | lemonade: Your script looks good, I'm not familiar with i3lock, does just running that command alone prompt what you need? |
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| 04:09.47 | gardllok | I wonder if you can lock the screen just before the machine goes to sleep/hibernate? |
| 04:10.10 | gardllok | I also wonder if the machine is actually going to sleep/hibernate or suspend when you close lid? |
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| 04:18.12 | cjen129 | can someoen help me with my wifi usb adapter? it's RTL8188CUS i installed firmware-realtek. seems to be recognized now as wlan2 but signal strength is 1% for all networks and it tries to connect but can't |
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| 04:20.08 | whatevrmkay | cjen129: what do you mean "can't"? error, what did you try? |
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| 04:20.17 | cjen129 | just fails to connect when i try with wicd |
| 04:20.50 | cjen129 | it can see all the networks but signal too weak even though router isn't far away |
| 04:21.07 | gardllok | Signal strength at 1%, eh |
| 04:21.27 | whatevrmkay | sry I'm kinda n00b to much of this myself, just.. been playing with usb wifi adapters lately myself.Thought that chipset sounded familiar..:d may b i'vethe same,or similar..did u try play around with iwconfig,iw & iwlist..? |
| 04:22.00 | whatevrmkay | is it on 5ghz band only mayb?=s i dno, but thought that was high efficiency,but low range.. mayb could be it? prllynot hm:s |
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| 04:22.57 | whatevrmkay | u tried measuring signal and moving antenna/router / obstacles .. ,and see if improvements? |
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| 04:23.45 | cjen129 | i will try soem more i guess |
| 04:23.47 | whatevrmkay | can see all the networks...that should be good enough,right... i think u can change transmitting power with iwconfig possibly, but only helps for transmitting (not receiving signal),so guess no help |
| 04:24.14 | whatevrmkay | try be sure u are on same channel as the router are on,and not many others around..or much other electronic equipment,or barriers between |
| 04:24.25 | whatevrmkay | lock it to same channel * |
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| 04:24.45 | gardllok | cjen129: I would try scanning networks with a seperate program maybe |
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| 04:25.26 | gardllok | What whatevrmkay is correct, if that is you have to set the channel, but I was thinking wicd scans on all channels |
| 04:25.31 | whatevrmkay | yeah... check receiving and transmitting power, using several tools... then just move it closer and closer to the router and see if theres a difference? maybe something wrong with the antenna or something |
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| 04:25.37 | delaine | try wpa_supplicant |
| 04:25.43 | gardllok | ^ |
| 04:25.56 | gardllok | wpa_supplicant is my preference |
| 04:26.12 | cjen129 | wicd uses wpa_supplicant as a backend i think |
| 04:26.13 | delaine | have you tried connman ? |
| 04:26.16 | cjen129 | so it's already installed |
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| 04:26.35 | delaine | yeah wpa_supplicant should be installed as base |
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| 04:26.51 | delaine | have you ever used wpa_cli ? |
| 04:26.58 | cjen129 | no |
| 04:27.05 | cjen129 | i can try network-manager |
| 04:27.11 | delaine | nmclli |
| 04:27.24 | delaine | i use either wpa_cli wicd-curses or nmcli |
| 04:27.35 | delaine | nmcli syntax changes with each update |
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| 04:27.53 | cjen129 | sounds annoying |
| 04:28.56 | delaine | yes it is |
| 04:29.03 | delaine | but good to know |
| 04:29.16 | delaine | atleast thats what i told myself learning it |
| 04:29.29 | delaine | this will be useful some day |
| 04:29.53 | cjen129 | lol |
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| 04:31.44 | delaine | connman is what i think is used in android to connect to wireless services so i am thinking about tryin tht |
| 04:31.46 | delaine | that * |
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| 04:37.09 | whatevrmkay | interesting.. just wondering, do u know if it's possible to connect a common USB wifi adapter to an Android phone? like,simply getting a female usbµ-usb cable for connection,put it in .. ? :p guess would suck power fast, at least.. (I've no idea).. hm. Any adapters u'dbe using for android supporting packet injection..? |
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| 04:38.28 | gardllok | whatevrmkay: yes, Many mobiles don't come with wilress radios that support monitor mode or the like and one would have to get the usb adapter to have "fun" :) |
| 04:40.01 | gardllok | My mobile requires a usb radio device for said fun :/ |
| 04:40.11 | gardllok | droid 4 |
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| 04:40.52 | gardllok | Many mobiles, with rooting you don't need the usb adapters and can turn their own radios into such tools |
| 04:40.58 | whatevrmkay | cool..does that mean it would work to simply buy a cable to fit it into the phone..and simply download some software to go alone with it,basically..? and it can power and use the usb wifi adapter (otherwise intended used for PCs only) .. ?:o kewl.. |
| 04:41.06 | whatevrmkay | =o cool |
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| 04:42.20 | gardllok | You can buy them with micro usb adapters already, and the airmon/aircrack tools are already ported for the OS's |
| 04:42.38 | gardllok | okay so I only know about android, not sure about iphones or else |
| 04:42.47 | gardllok | But I imagine so |
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| 04:44.03 | whatevrmkay | cool |
| 04:44.07 | gardllok | And yes, it will kill power supply |
| 04:44.35 | gardllok | Thats a lot to transmit and compute |
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| 04:47.49 | whatevrmkay | i recently got a phone (from some1 else who'd gotten a new one:d) who thought i should get a new phone..besides (minor drug offences) cops nabbing my phones occasionally..:/ always thought these kinda phones were terrible for privacy,besides sux losing em like that,lol.. after having this.. "xperia z1" (i think..) ,for few weeks or so now,still think so..(-bad privacy&security,lots of unneccessary |
| 04:48.35 | whatevrmkay | stuff)..,but found some interesting uses for it too, like this network scanning.. and possibly other radiowave/signal manipulation/interception. i still have pieces of paper taped over the cams, n would never wna have such a phone laying around anywhere near me most the time tho:d (bit paranoid.. or, cautious=S) :| lol |
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| 04:50.45 | whatevrmkay | also, not something u bring out too many places (thievery object) .. if not intentionally retrieving info on someone in advance, simply losing it with all the credentials, logins, history etc. (look up data forensic tools) that has ever been on it.. a simple phone n can make prty good psychological profile of some1 i'd bet :S ..with all these things on these devices by default,and their terrible p |
| 04:50.55 | whatevrmkay | privacy-concerns.. (bad sign .....) |
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| 04:52.23 | whatevrmkay | =S anyway. as said, just became aware of some of the potentially 'nice' things about em:d ^^ .. not sure what "rooting" ones own phone is for, or does, yet .. but, besides capability for use of normal usb adapters in em, and running linux shell (hmm .. simple,few commands, or ..?) , sounds..interesting:p but still,a threat,too,potentially... =s |
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| 04:53.53 | whatevrmkay | sneaky stuff.. also,ain't it Google behind those.. (android, at least. . ).. not making it sound and less scary, imo.. =p |
| 04:54.00 | gardllok | :) You're on the right track for sure. Rooting the mobile will give you the full controll over the device you need |
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| 04:54.50 | gardllok | Think of it like having root of a machine |
| 04:55.21 | gardllok | android is mighty close to linux based |
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| 04:55.45 | whatevrmkay | hm. if theres a fullworthy proper os and commandline functionality, ssh,can dl custom (non-'verified') apps etc? |
| 04:56.08 | gardllok | yup yup and yup |
| 04:56.42 | whatevrmkay | cool.. and u'd recommend looking into, and, "rooting" ones own phone then.. unleashing further functionality with that somehow..? it's "necessary" for that too? (not something hidden in one of the menus,obtainable from an app or whatev) ? |
| 04:56.44 | gardllok | not without rooting though. BTW I'm pretty sure we are straying from debian topics here hehe |
| 04:57.42 | gardllok | I recommend plenty of study first, on the device it's current OS and everything you can. One could really fuck up a mobile trying to root and taking the wrong steps...however it is generally easy as shit |
| 04:58.13 | whatevrmkay | mk.. cool^^ may try do just that,then.. hopefully won't screw it up while at it. sounds interesting.. if could only feel a bit more in control of it, at least.. maybe even some fun, and things to aid in learning Linux for me too then even:p |
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| 04:59.31 | whatevrmkay | hm. likely some VM images of the same thing one could dl & play with.. or, that some secret google secret closed code OS on em? |
| 05:00.07 | whatevrmkay | as u can't (it sounds?) simply format, replace/change OS all that much,i guess?^^ |
| 05:00.25 | gardllok | Never hurts to play with the VM images, or android SDK's more particular...but the rooting is more on the device itself |
| 05:00.37 | Lady_Aleena | Does the OS or DE set the keys on the keyboard? |
| 05:00.43 | gardllok | Yes actually you can flash the firmware |
| 05:00.46 | whatevrmkay | o. k.. |
| 05:00.47 | gardllok | whatevrmkay: ^ |
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| 05:01.19 | whatevrmkay | kewl |
| 05:02.13 | gardllok | Lady_Aleena: NOt sure what a DE is, but Debian and like OS's have keys mapped |
| 05:02.22 | whatevrmkay | but then, like other phones, prly have some downsides n it'd eventually likely b better just buying some proper small (far more durable) actual computer huh=s |
| 05:02.28 | Lady_Aleena | Desktop Environment |
| 05:03.02 | Lady_Aleena | So, I need to dive into Debian to see how to free a key on my keyboard so it isn't a "meta" key anymore. |
| 05:03.03 | gardllok | Lady_Aleena: It's layered I believe with the OS first and shortcuts overriding them from the DE |
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| 05:04.47 | gardllok | whatevrmkay: Depends on your application...one might want to utilize the gps capabilities of a mobile ( and anything like that)...but yes, before you modify the hardware (batt upgrades, I/O, wireless radies) of a mobile it is sometimes cheaper and more feasible to get a rasberryPi lol |
| 05:05.56 | gardllok | But lets say (and this is a side project I am trying to work on) you want to integrate a device to a drone/quadcopter... |
| 05:06.56 | whatevrmkay | o.. sry mayb im slow or bit weird, but no idea what a raspberryPi is,heh:z just seen the name around some times now.. hmh. |
| 05:07.05 | gardllok | It also looks less suspicious to place a mobile on the counter/table in your target's area than it is a small computer |
| 05:07.23 | gardllok | google it, love it :D |
| 05:07.35 | whatevrmkay | Hey btw., is Debian a decent OS for a beginner to start with? There's a Debian-based distro I've been playing with lately, and may try stick with for learning for a while.. ("Kali Linux". Mainly considering bilding on such a system for a start, as it has many interesting tools included,or easily available..most of all already working drivers for many different wifi adapters, and (while not as much |
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| 05:07.59 | whatevrmkay | ..as some other OS'), some more focus on security & privacy than many other "plain" OS'.. |
| 05:08.15 | Lady_Aleena | gets a headache. |
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| 05:08.34 | whatevrmkay | hm, sry if i talk tooo much, or something..::s |
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| 05:09.07 | Lady_Aleena | whatevrmkay, it isn't you, it is Debian which is giving me a headache. |
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| 05:10.17 | gardllok | whatevrmkay: debian is awesome all around, everywhere. For beginers and top-end production machines...Kali linux too is great. Kali, based on debian, comes with all the security and pen testing tools pre installed and mostly set up for your "play time" |
| 05:10.33 | Lady_Aleena | I can't see how to remove the assignment of my Start key from meta to something else. |
| 05:10.57 | gardllok | Lady_Aleena: what is your desktop environment |
| 05:11.04 | Lady_Aleena | KDE |
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| 05:11.13 | whatevrmkay | wanna get a bunch of routers as a start for home-security setup, thinking i'd prlly be best off configuring iptables on some nix box with several nics/ports to route thru, rather than considering them $200+ home-routers..? esp. as most routers doesn't seem to be capable of even having FDE (encrypt) on, few having openvpn client/srv support, and even less of those coming without wireless |
| 05:12.03 | whatevrmkay | (i don't want wireless.. maybe besides on some controlled part of the network for the outermost router in the network for some minor thing, under a strict security policy, or something.... seems too risky, and like an easy first step in for potential intruders :p) |
| 05:12.48 | Lady_Aleena | I was hoping it was something as simple as a config file somewhere where I could open the file in nano, remove the assignment of my Start key to meta, then assign it to watchever else I wanted. It looks like that is not the case. |
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| 05:13.38 | whatevrmkay | gardllok:cool:) mostly attracted to it atm. as im quite newb to much of this..too much to bother with compiling (and digging up endless dependencies, figuring errors etc) bunch of diff wireless drivers etc..:p (would take me ages, n prolly kill motivation fast=s) |
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| 05:15.12 | Lady_Aleena | I looked at /etc/default/keyboard and it don't look like what I want. |
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| 05:15.23 | whatevrmkay | stupid MS.. needa ditch it for good,accept some losses (like,much not working on Linux (yet,or for long at least.. prolly .. ) , and push myself to stick with nix for good soon... may b pretty soon..! (in the process of obtaining equipment n getting comfy w basics still.. -) mostly only bn near nix in the past thru Putty n such=s |
| 05:15.41 | gardllok | whatevrmkay: Stick with kali for now, chans like ##hackers and #security can help you along, watch youtube vis like defcon talks and some good ol hak5 |
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| 05:15.56 | zykotick9 | Lady_Aleena: fyi, i remap ESC to Caps using /etc/default/keyboard and a XKBOPTIONS="caps:swapescape" line... |
| 05:16.01 | gardllok | and good luck ;) |
| 05:17.29 | gardllok | Lady_Aleena: like zykotick9 the names of maps can be kinda wierd but they're there...I've never tried to do what you are looking to do though. |
| 05:17.35 | whatevrmkay | mh, yeah,thanks.. i mostly just need the wireless driver support "out of the box" for now..otherwise im not too much of a fan of,what seems like their profit- (and who knows what other.. ) motives related to it.. besides, I don't think its secure enough to use most of them tools offensively (or otherwise) against anyone outside ones own LAN either, atleast not with my knowledge (and setup)... :s |
| 05:17.46 | gardllok | Surely there is a good reference for the maps that can be googles |
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| 05:19.21 | gardllok | whatevrmkay: Gotta know how to get dirty in order to keep a clean environment sometimes ;) |
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| 05:19.53 | whatevrmkay | some cool stuff there tho,and finding some new interesting things too.. some cool packages to get from their repository (?),and seems some potential for moreinteresting stuff with some added hardware (adding to motivation,to keep me bothering (and learning):) |
| 05:20.07 | Lady_Aleena | I'll have to come back to it some other time, my eyes are starting to go buggy on me. |
| 05:20.16 | gardllok | also, hak5 is probably the least malicous references to the subject...just saying |
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| 05:20.51 | gardllok | Also Lady_Aleena, perhaps a chan for KDE could help? |
| 05:21.15 | gardllok | annnnnd I need a drink |
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| 05:21.17 | Lady_Aleena | gardllok, they won't be available for another 3 or so hours. Most of them are in Germany. |
| 05:21.53 | gardllok | Lady_Aleena: actually I did not know that |
| 05:22.17 | whatevrmkay | yep:P (i don't do much bad tho,for profit, destruction or such.. mainly for fun/education:d and,im kinda paranoid,i guess (i believe with good reason=s) due to crazy laws here.. (minor drug offences being taken overly serious.. ). don't trust MS,Google n all these,either..can't open Task Manager and netstat and "keep track" of stuff anymore,its so much,forced on you and in secrecy (shady.. ) |
| 05:22.19 | Lady_Aleena | gardllok, if you don't use KDE then it wouldn't normally come up. |
| 05:22.28 | gardllok | I do KDE |
| 05:22.31 | gardllok | 4 |
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| 05:22.50 | gardllok | It's my preference, just didn't know that about their chan |
| 05:23.06 | gardllok | <3 KDE |
| 05:23.07 | Lady_Aleena | gardllok, it has been my experience the people in #kde are usually present after about 8am or so German time. |
| 05:24.07 | gardllok | Lady_Aleena: The only time I think I've been there for help was when I was doing some dolphin menu setups |
| 05:24.18 | whatevrmkay | hopefully linux will eventually enable me to feel more comfy about control of whats going on with the various processes, and network traffic..if I get to learning as much.. Windows is getting crazy :| aaand,how lame it is they do things like,require u to buy a new version every few yrs to get their new Directx and play new games,n such.... besides,them new versions have bn mostlycosmetic ripoff |
| 05:24.34 | Lady_Aleena | I know a few channels which die after about 5pm PST and wake back up about 8am GMT. |
| 05:25.42 | whatevrmkay | uneven population spread..time zones?^^ |
| 05:26.12 | gardllok | whatevrmkay: agreed, I only have to use winblows for the gaming....but I'm not sure I'm moving forward with 10 (since all this spy crap I hear about it) even though my favourite game Gears of War has a new edition ONLY available for 10 :/ Fuckers |
| 05:26.19 | Lady_Aleena | whatevrmkay, PST = Pacific time, GMT = Greenwich(?) time |
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| 05:27.24 | Lady_Aleena | I can't even get a decent game of solitaire to work on this computer. |
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| 05:28.07 | nb-ben | stop playing games that only work on Windows |
| 05:28.23 | gardllok | ^ |
| 05:28.42 | gardllok | Isn't a solitair alternative part of the kdegames package? |
| 05:28.55 | Lady_Aleena | gardllok, constant crashes. |
| 05:29.49 | RedRuby | I uninstalled debian because i'm too nooby for it. Now I have ubuntu. |
| 05:29.50 | whatevrmkay | yeah.. im gna push myself to stay away from it too soon i think.. despite knowing i'll surely be missing some things.. don't play too much lately anyway ((WoW,mainly,at times/periods..)..tons of games on Steam i haven't even tried once yet,,too.. o ntheres apparentlyeven lotta games there that works on nix too even..) |
| 05:30.44 | gardllok | Lady_Aleena: hmmm, any type of error msg to work with? |
| 05:31.11 | whatevrmkay | really? Ubuntu over Debian...? Ive been recommended Ubuntu before, but never found anything too special or nice about it..:d (also, i was more used to "yum .. " n few other diff commands, when trying ubuntu the times i have), guess not too diff fromDebian..can't be that much trickier tho? less used (for some reason?)..? |
| 05:31.29 | Lady_Aleena | gardllok, got so angry I uninstalled the damned thing. |
| 05:31.29 | note1989 | there must surely be multiple solitare builds for linux |
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| 05:32.05 | gardllok | There are many different builds of solitare and the like... |
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| 05:32.48 | Lady_Aleena | I've given up on any Linux being fun unless I am building something in perl. |
| 05:33.18 | gardllok | Ubuntu is quite the closest thing I believe linux gets to windows...many things already installed and set up for you, pretty much too much already there...but that's my opinion |
| 05:33.41 | whatevrmkay | lol,yeah im afraid the games that are,or coming out for nix, are prlly not likely to be what im gna be most attracted to... :/ some old games theyve ported to nix at least, aaaand, we acn't think like this.. can't expect everyone else to do something,if to ever get the community growing in a desired direction....im sure Linux will get bigger eventually, once more ppl realize the evils of MS etc |
| 05:33.48 | whatevrmkay | o |
| 05:34.04 | note1989 | coding in windows sucks :P deployment is a pain |
| 05:34.18 | note1989 | linux=fun |
| 05:34.18 | gardllok | Same for Python |
| 05:34.57 | whatevrmkay | yeah.. I don't use the GUI thing too much either.. and, is less interested in... (can't do too much). more the commandline.. (just, needa push myself to get aruond to doing whatever with it.. till i find something to do to keep at it, to motivate learning it properly..like networking, file/packet analysis etc.... pfft=s(well,sounds useful..)) |
| 05:34.58 | note1989 | old games you can play with wine |
| 05:34.59 | Lady_Aleena | note1989, 'linux' ne 'fun' |
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| 05:35.18 | Lady_Aleena | It gets worse with a wonky mouse. |
| 05:35.31 | whatevrmkay | seems lots of interesting things u can do straight from cmd.exe now tho, with powershell |
| 05:35.51 | note1989 | you gotta start loving the power of the command line |
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| 05:37.24 | RedRuby | And archlinux is so difficult I can't even connect to their irc channel. |
| 05:37.43 | whatevrmkay | buuut, nvm that,screw it.. im notgna stick with MS..i gota move (to Linux). too much bad with google,ms etc... ,better focus on other things..and, i was hoping,eventually some more closed 'corners' of the web (such as TOR,or such.. ) where one could feel even more at peace,too (without feeling as much need to hide each time saying something potentially 'risky' (socially,lawfully, etc.. ) |
| 05:38.36 | marsjaninzmarsa | I have a problem with multimedia keys on my laptop |
| 05:38.43 | whatevrmkay | yep, lots of cool things^^ and so many useful things,too... all these really advanced elaborate searches u can do if u're just well known with all the parameters,good at regular expressions n (remember it) all.. :s |
| 05:39.05 | whatevrmkay | all kindsa things like that, small things i'm sure would often make my life much easier,if only i knew... |
| 05:39.09 | marsjaninzmarsa | multimedia keys works great, but I have few media players |
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| 05:39.30 | marsjaninzmarsa | Clementine and Spotify for music, VLC for movies etc |
| 05:40.15 | marsjaninzmarsa | and when I pause music and open movie, multimedia keys are "stolen" from Spotify and mapped to VLC |
| 05:40.45 | marsjaninzmarsa | and even when I close VLC multimedia keys are not given back to Spotify |
| 05:40.51 | marsjaninzmarsa | until I restart Spotify... |
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| 05:42.04 | caillean | moin :) |
| 05:42.19 | marsjaninzmarsa | but I even don't know if it have whatever to Debian, or rather to DBus or my DE... |
| 05:42.39 | whatevrmkay | marsjaninzmarsa: default hotkeys,got dual sets? disable or change for one of the programs..? |
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| 05:43.11 | caillean | how can i solve the usb-stick-problem in jessie? the stick is root only |
| 05:43.17 | marsjaninzmarsa | whatevrmkay: Play/Pause, Next, Previous etc button on my keyboard. |
| 05:43.26 | marsjaninzmarsa | not heybindings. |
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| 05:43.35 | marsjaninzmarsa | s/keybindings/hotkeys |
| 05:43.43 | whatevrmkay | oh. prolly changable somewhere in settings..not?:s |
| 05:44.16 | marsjaninzmarsa | I believe that is something about http://specifications.freedesktop.org/mpris-spec/latest/ |
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| 05:45.39 | marsjaninzmarsa | I have Play/Pause button on my keyboard and it just works until I have multiple media players open, then it works for last opened player. |
| 05:45.59 | whatevrmkay | i don't have a multimedia keyboard myself,but rather mapped keys (like for mediaplayers) to other keys on my KB (like the arrow keys, n such easily accessible/reachable).. can't just set keybindings for other keys..? (whichever has the functionality,I don't know Spotify but would assume VLC,or w a plugin at least.. ) |
| 05:47.02 | whatevrmkay | oh..hm.. that's interesting, and something i'd like to know the answer to, too..if anyone would know a solution to that. if last opened app is given priority for keybindings =o (im kinda n00b to all this myself:d ..more than u most likely^_^) |
| 05:47.24 | whatevrmkay | hm. prolly somewhere to change that..somehow... hmm |
| 05:48.07 | marsjaninzmarsa | sorry, I believe that I cant change Play/Pause button to something different for each app. :D |
| 05:48.22 | marsjaninzmarsa | I have only single Play/Pause button. :D |
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| 05:53.27 | delaine | cd |
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| 06:08.00 | dhaval2712 | I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but in the write system call, if the number of bytes I specify, is greater than the string I put in, what exactly does that do? Is that a buffer overflow? |
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| 06:09.14 | rozie | depends if you have buffer, depends how data is read |
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| 06:11.51 | dhaval2712 | So it doesn't necessarily read from memory adjacent to it or something, it could be garbage then? |
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| 06:13.09 | rozie | depends how reader handles it |
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| 06:13.38 | dhaval2712 | The reader in this context being the echo of the terminal, right? |
| 06:13.44 | rozie | if you overcommited data hit memory and are not discarded, it is buffer overflow |
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| 06:13.59 | rozie | s/you/your/ |
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| 06:15.02 | dhaval2712 | Oh, so it does allocate more memory in the buffer, but if you go above the amount of memory allocated, it is buffer overflow. |
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| 06:15.59 | dhaval2712 | Well I'm writing a loop that increments the number of bytes written each time, let's see what happens.:w |
| 06:16.06 | dhaval2712 | Sorry, vim. |
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| 06:21.00 | dhaval2712 | Anyway, thanks a lot. |
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| 06:42.04 | aZz7eCh | hello #debian. situation: I have purchased a VPS and chose to have 7.8 debian on it. i have putty'd in and am trying to install apache .. but its not letting me any which way I try. Constant "Some packages could not be installed...*" lists Packages with unmet dependencies, then says after each one "but it is not going to be installed" eventually leading to E: Unable to correct problems, |
| 06:42.05 | aZz7eCh | you have held broken packages. |
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| 06:42.58 | aZz7eCh | i've followed a number of guides.. most saying to simply apt-get install apache2 |
| 06:43.20 | aZz7eCh | others have longer apache2-* names .. but same deal in the end.. same errors |
| 06:43.59 | aZz7eCh | i'm trying to determine if theres just something im missing as a noob ... or whether my vps isnt going to let me install lamp |
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| 06:45.26 | towo^work | aZz7eCh, apt-get update && apt-get install apache2 |
| 06:45.32 | Equa | aZz7eCh: paste the error from the output when you try to use apt-get install apache2 on paste.debian.net |
| 06:45.38 | aZz7eCh | okay brb |
| 06:46.16 | towo^work | and for a noob, a vps is not the right toy to play with |
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| 06:48.10 | aZz7eCh | http://paste.debian.net/304991/ |
| 06:49.08 | towo^work | your sources.list is missing the normal repo |
| 06:50.27 | whatevrmkay | vps sounds pretty good, i'd think?^^ depending on host.. take a snapshot every 10min? reinstall new os at ur leisure etc:d |
| 06:51.07 | aZz7eCh | how would i know what repo i'm missing |
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| 06:52.49 | whatevrmkay | can get a vps for couple dollars per year, cheap enough to stack up a bunch.. (also,if afraid to screw up too much (or bother others..),search "bitcoin" in the "economy vps host offers"-sections,using random email/name,too), and u'd be safe no matterwhat ^_^ (buy a cheap vpn,chain a few..-) or use firstcouple vps to setup that for even,too,then:d |
| 06:53.21 | whatevrmkay | i think vps' are perfect toys, actually :P depending on virtualization software and host limits ofc:d =) |
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| 06:54.35 | Equa | aZz7eCh: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList. replace the jessie with wheezy |
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| 06:56.09 | aZz7eCh | okay will try that now thanks |
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| 06:58.59 | ghormoon | hi, anyone started getting this apt error recently or do I just have broken sources.list? W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/source/Sources Hash Sum mismatch |
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| 07:01.51 | whatevrmkay | download succeeded? did u manually check integrity / Hash Sum actually matching? |
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| 07:03.49 | whatevrmkay | check here, seems many with similar issues previously. mayb of help? -> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/116641/how-do-you-fix-apt-get-update-hash-sum-mismatch (or try search ur error, maybe excluding ur specific url/mostof it..) |
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| 07:08.45 | jelly | whatevrmkay: that's a common symptom for either an incomplete mirror sync, or issues with your network during update, esp. if proxies are involved |
| 07:08.59 | jelly | ghormoon: ^^ |
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| 07:10.22 | whatevrmkay | yeah, judging by googling a bit,seems like.. most having issues downloading it properly.. |
| 07:10.37 | Jaleks | i'm too blind to find it: is there a (grub) boot option so that my live disk ignores all the (to be repaired) hard disks? |
| 07:11.17 | jelly | ghormoon: see if you, or someone else, gets the same result with "deb-src http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main" in sources.list, on a different machine |
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| 07:11.45 | whatevrmkay | should be wary not to run run such (imo..i think?-for security) though, the verification is in place to prevent malicious uploads (hax) of such relatively popular files (mass-spreading viruses,or whatever).. atleast I'd be careful encountering file integrity issues, before touching any,then |
| 07:11.49 | ghormoon | jelly: I hadproblem on both home and work netwok. I'll try another debian machine to see |
| 07:11.58 | aZz7eCh | Equa: Thanks champ :) Appreciate it heaps. |
| 07:12.07 | jelly | ghormoon: then it's likely the mirror is somewhat broken at the moment |
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| 07:13.06 | jelly | Fetched 574 kB in 7s (72.4 kB/s) \n W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/source/Sources: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 07:13.15 | jelly | ghormoon: happens from here as well |
| 07:13.24 | ghormoon | I've just tried another repo (replaced cz with de) and still fails |
| 07:13.29 | whatevrmkay | http/ftp in see last modified, see if bytes (size) matches? |
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| 07:14.01 | jelly | ghormoon: my local http://debian.iskon.hr/debian mirror seems to work. But maybe it's just not updated yet |
| 07:14.16 | ghormoon | what's the primary one? us? |
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| 07:14.28 | jelly | !hdn |
| 07:14.28 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main". See http://httpredir.debian.org/ for more information. The redirector uses HTTP 302 redirects not DNS to serve content so is safe to use with Google DNS. See also <which httpredir.debian.org>. This service is identical to http.debian.net. |
| 07:14.38 | jelly | ghormoon: ^^ try that one |
| 07:14.51 | ghormoon | that will hit me with cz |
| 07:15.50 | jelly | there should be a way to report broken mirrors so they get taken out of httpredir |
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| 07:17.35 | ghormoon | W: Failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/source/Sources Hash Sum mismatch |
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| 07:18.27 | DoctorD90 | ??? so httpred auto redirect to server closer to me? and if i want choose my language? |
| 07:18.41 | DoctorD90 | httpredir.it.debian.org? |
| 07:19.01 | jelly | DoctorD90: language is a locale setting, not a mirror choice |
| 07:19.09 | ghormoon | DoctorD90: the packages should be the same everywhere, what's the issue? |
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| 07:20.10 | ghormoon | it would be funny if it was mirror choice and you went to vacation eg. to china and it swithced your language on update to chinese :P |
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| 07:22.15 | DoctorD90 | xD but when i use to ftp.it.debian.org it automatically gives me italian settings :P |
| 07:22.20 | DoctorD90 | for this... |
| 07:22.44 | DoctorD90 | maybe is a feature that of a localization is.selected, it will use that lang? (maybe) |
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| 07:24.01 | whatevrmkay | u sure about that? would be a fast global translator service, if so..:d (i dno tho).. double-check to be sure .. ^ wouldn't think so, at least... (no idea rly tho,mayb this some common global app each country/language gets seperate regularly, usually... i dno:d) |
| 07:25.03 | ghormoon | DoctorD90: during install it asks afiak (not sure, it's quite long since I've used the installer, usually i debootstrap) though if you change in /etc/apt/sources.list I'm sure it won't change your locales |
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| 07:25.48 | jelly | ghormoon: what about ftp.hr.debian.org (= syncproxy.eu.debian.org), if that one's broken, all the mirrors that sync off it will eventually be broken too |
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| 07:26.34 | whatevrmkay | just getting it from another mirror,I'd think.Maybe tad slower download compared to a morelocal one.. gotta love all these fast mirrors usually up worldwide,assuring everyone hyper-speed for these downloads hm :)) (tleast ive never had much if any problems (once i found the right stuff..:d)) |
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| 07:27.39 | ghormoon | it doesn§t matter much, usually any decent repo can top home connection speeds. on college we needed local repo to top the 1gbit line though. |
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| 07:28.28 | ghormoon | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.hr.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/source/Sources Hash Sum mismatch |
| 07:28.35 | whatevrmkay | yep..i'd use a (multi-threaded) download manager too, if too low speed.. alternatively search popular download sites (google) or torrent,even.. :d (im kinda impatient..hate huuuuge downloads and turtle-speeds..=s) |
| 07:29.30 | whatevrmkay | mismatch,theyre comparing with what? sure what theyre matching it against is correct, and untamperedwith? (not recently corrupted due to powerloss or such mayb?) |
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| 07:30.09 | whatevrmkay | I don't know. No idea where they get the hashes they're matching the completed fileswith from..if not also downloaded frmo there updated? |
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| 07:31.33 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon: yes, at first download, not during system life.....btw! do you use debootstrap? may I ask you a little help? im using it, but im.having some.issue! |
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| 07:32.17 | ghormoon | DoctorD90: I'm not a pro, but it's kinda handy in crreating VM templates :) just ask here, likely we can help you |
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| 07:33.36 | whatevrmkay | try manually verify hash mismatch, and that both sides (what ure matching with, and what ure matching..) is intact and as expected? also, many ppl reporting similar errors on Google.Though not Debian-specific,may get some hints from pages like this, maybe (maybe changing some paths and it'd wrk the same even:o...i d'no) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2243249 |
| 07:34.15 | whatevrmkay | (these other ppl reporting, many of these posts are manyyears old. nothing recent (like today/recently) as I've found after a quick search, so not related^^) |
| 07:35.58 | ghormoon | I have no idea what it tries to verify, tbh. I don't see any .md5/.sha1 in either binary and sources folders on the repo. binary doesn't complain though |
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| 07:37.40 | vecciora | Anybody using KDE? |
| 07:38.07 | ghormoon | vecciora: yup |
| 07:38.29 | vecciora | ghormoon: Which version? |
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| 07:39.27 | whatevrmkay | hm, at least there are addons for Firefox even,for checking md5/sha/crc on files,to verify they match publishers signed release, and small programs..can't tell you any names for any such (likely already pre-installed,I'd guess..) , but tho this seems a nuisance, and just an unusual thing.. should try get used to verifying these things urself,actually!:) cos some times big sites even, get hacked, |
| 07:40.33 | whatevrmkay | ..and ppl place malicious files (undetected by av/fws.. for very long often..) there, and as most doesn't look twice, won't notice if evrything seems to go as expected... at least more sensitive areas .. (dno about this place). Besides assuring files are perfect and run as they should, |
| 07:40.45 | jelly | vecciora: whichever version is in jessie, and the one in wheezy too. Ask your real question |
| 07:41.23 | vecciora | jelly: Okay. This: http://tinypic.com/r/2cpt7x0/8. The Adwaita cursor theme is wrong. |
| 07:41.23 | ghormoon | vecciora: 4.14.2 |
| 07:42.15 | jelly | vecciora: whas that theme preinstalled or did you install it afterwards? |
| 07:42.25 | vecciora | jelly: Preinstalled. |
| 07:42.26 | jelly | vecciora: and which debian release? |
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| 07:42.32 | vecciora | jelly: Jessie. |
| 07:42.55 | whatevrmkay | at least certain places, specifically security or finance related apps, I'd be extra wary off. Same when there's a SSL certificate error when browsing websites, or other discrepancies in service.. most just skips thru as all seems fine,and notice nothing... usually aren't, but, (imo) too often are (and not always published,either..) |
| 07:43.26 | whatevrmkay | also,open the files with notepad..not sure its the ones u mean,but seems to be md5 and sha hashes inside at least some of those there too.. |
| 07:43.37 | jelly | vecciora: hmm, it looks the same here |
| 07:43.41 | vecciora | jelly: And when I install another cursor theme from the net, the cursor become wrong too. Become wrong is that is actually cursor from Oxygen theme. |
| 07:44.00 | vecciora | jelly: Right? It's wrong. Adwaita's not like that. |
| 07:44.27 | vecciora | jelly: That is actually Oxygen's cursor theme mixed with Adwaita's. |
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| 07:45.41 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon: im tring to create my own live custom iso. i have followed 'will haley custom iso debian" guide. fixed some outdated information about syslinux, but belong the guide it has to boot without issue. I only get "kernel.panic" :( |
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| 07:46.18 | vecciora | I've seen the cursors at /usr/share/icons/Adwaita/cursors and it's not Oxygen. So the one in fault is the component which does cursor theming. But I don't know which package is responsible so I cannot report a bug. |
| 07:46.24 | jelly | vecciora: ah, other cursor types are mixed on your machine. Did not notice that. They're consistent here. |
| 07:46.38 | DoctorD90 | (no, i dont want fast-food approce of live-build :P i want learn to create iso, using (c)debootstrap :P ) |
| 07:47.03 | vecciora | jelly: Really? I've installed Debian on 2 machines and the cursors of Adwaita are mixed. |
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| 07:49.06 | ghormoon | DoctorD90: not sure which part you're stuck on. you've actually made it to the end? |
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| 07:50.05 | DoctorD90 | i have start guide from start, do all the guide said, but whem i run it on qemu/virtualbox/dd2usb it gives "kernel panic" |
| 07:50.26 | ghormoon | any details on the panic? |
| 07:51.06 | ghormoon | I only use debootstrap to boot it directly later, I've never tried making iso out of it though |
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| 07:51.19 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon: http://pastebin.com/vaXVWy53 - http://s29.postimg.org/uqopu90zb/linux.png |
| 07:51.34 | DoctorD90 | first is the bunch of command i.run to create/set it |
| 07:51.49 | DoctorD90 | second is the screen shot of virtual box :P |
| 07:51.55 | jelly | vecciora: rly http://imgur.com/2CBRBDU |
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| 07:53.06 | vecciora | jelly: Weird. Because both machines I installed Debian have the same problem. |
| 07:53.22 | jelly | vecciora: dpkg -l adwaita-cursor-theme | tail -n 1 |
| 07:53.41 | ghormoon | DoctorD90: that seems as some issue in the bootloader or selinux. shut off selinux first to see which one is more likely :) |
| 07:53.51 | jelly | vecciora: sorry, dpkg -l adwaita-icon-theme | tail -n 1 |
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| 07:54.07 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon: selinux??? i dont installed.it 0o |
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| 07:54.25 | DoctorD90 | how shut off selinux? |
| 07:54.29 | ghormoon | I'm not sure if it's on by default in jessie to be honest |
| 07:54.33 | vecciora | jelly: ii adwaita-icon-theme 3.14.0-2 all default icon theme of GNOME |
| 07:54.35 | DoctorD90 | ah ok |
| 07:54.42 | DoctorD90 | wheezzy too.btw |
| 07:54.46 | jelly | vecciora: that's from jessie alright |
| 07:54.58 | DoctorD90 | and about bootloader...syslinux using... |
| 07:55.07 | ghormoon | try adding selinux=0 enforcing=0 in the bootloader to try |
| 07:55.26 | ghormoon | though more likely is some other problem in the bootloader config |
| 07:55.28 | DoctorD90 | so i dont.know :P ...but thx! this is the.first usefull tip get since days! |
| 07:55.28 | jelly | ghormoon: selinux is not enabled in debian by default, there are no policies to speak of |
| 07:55.30 | vecciora | jelly: If I install another theme from the "Get New Theme" the theme will be mixed with Oxygen's too. :/ |
| 07:55.40 | DoctorD90 | is good boot=live ? |
| 07:55.45 | ghormoon | then it's just a bootloader misconfiguration |
| 07:56.44 | ghormoon | tbh I shut off selinux everywhere, I've not learned to use it correctly yet :P |
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| 07:56.55 | ghormoon | though i'll have to learn it sometime |
| 07:57.07 | jelly | vecciora: eh, you can report a bug against whichever package systemsettings is in, and ask for help from the maintainer |
| 07:58.20 | vecciora | jelly: Okay. |
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| 07:59.03 | DoctorD90 | oh, so i.have to.get.out boot=live too....ok i turn on pc amd.try a little moment.... |
| 07:59.38 | vecciora | jelly: I installed the Debian from Debian live DVD KDE version (not the installer DVD). Just thinking maybe you installed Debian from Debian installer DVD and that's the reason your cursor theme is fine. |
| 08:00.55 | jelly | vecciora: I installed Debian in 2001 and upgraded releases ever since |
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| 08:01.44 | jelly | there was _no_ dvd image at the time :-) |
| 08:02.21 | vecciora | jelly: Okay thanks. |
| 08:02.36 | jelly | vecciora: but since you have the live image, you can check if the same behaviour happens there as well |
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| 08:05.53 | vecciora | jelly: I've checked on the VM and yes it has the same behaviour. |
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| 08:07.11 | jelly | vecciora: you can mention that in the bug report |
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| 08:10.33 | DoctorD90 | :0 ghormoon i love you xD even if now it gives me other issues, at least now it allow me.to boot xD |
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| 08:20.34 | darxmurf | what's wrong with rsnapshot, I receive a "No space left on device (28)" with 70Gb free |
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| 08:20.54 | darxmurf | and 2% inode in use |
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| 08:23.31 | ChrisH | darxmurf: I only use LVM snapshots and there you need to specify the lvol used to keep the diffs and that can be filled. dunno about rsnapshot |
| 08:23.58 | darxmurf | well, rsnapshot is using rsync |
| 08:24.05 | darxmurf | so it's a rsync error :) |
| 08:24.12 | darxmurf | it's weird Oo |
| 08:24.29 | mrtnt | As far as I know, kept back packages in Debian are shown in case package can not be upgraded because upgrade requires to install new packages. Usually this can be fixed with "apt-get dist-upgrade". However, I have a situation where "apt-get dist-upgrade" does not fix this: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f37c4acc/ What might be the reason for this? |
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| 08:25.34 | eclectichedgehog | mrtnt, everyone gets that |
| 08:25.58 | eclectichedgehog | probably too unstable |
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| 08:29.41 | mrtnt | eclectichedgehog: ok. Do you mean that there is a general problem with package named db5.1-util? |
| 08:29.59 | Kurvivor | hello. I have debian 6.0.3 box (squuzy, i believe), and i need to configure a serial port |
| 08:30.08 | Kurvivor | however there is no setserial command |
| 08:30.28 | Kurvivor | and apt-get install setserial gives "setserial package no found" |
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| 08:31.49 | mrtnt | What I also find weird is that IMHO I don't need the "db5.1-util" package: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/cba2477c/ |
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| 08:32.54 | eclectichedgehog | mrtnt, not too sure but if it doesn't then something is not quite right and it has never bothered my installs just leaving it there |
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| 08:33.40 | mrtnt | eclectichedgehog: ok, thanks! |
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| 08:39.00 | vecciora | I've reported a bug. Will I get an email if someone replied to my bug report? Or should I subscribe first? |
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| 08:39.45 | TJ- | vecciora: bug reporters are automatically subscribed |
| 08:39.58 | TJ- | vecciora: at least, I think so, I'm sure I always get replies |
| 08:40.24 | vincent_xcg | Hi. Iâve got a bluetooth headset. I installed pulseaudio-module-bluetooth. The headset connects, and the sink are created. But nothing appears in gnome sound control panel concerning the headset. |
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| 08:41.05 | vecciora | TJ: Okay. Thanks. |
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| 08:44.18 | jelly | ,v db5.1-util |
| 08:44.19 | judd | Package: db5.1-util on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.1.29-5; stretch: 5.1.29-9; jessie: 5.1.29-9; sid: 5.1.29-9 |
| 08:45.45 | darxmurf | -rwxrw----. 1 107284 lspn 19261 Jan 1 2032 re-chen13.cdx |
| 08:45.55 | darxmurf | fook, I'm in future |
| 08:46.32 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon little issue now :P maybe you have another great tip or search to suggest on google to solve :D http://s24.postimg.org/d4vlf2sr9/linux.png |
| 08:46.50 | eclectichedgehog | darxmurf, be careful, your 32bit unix epoch will soon end... |
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| 08:47.58 | darxmurf | it's the end of everything ! |
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| 08:48.36 | darxmurf | god, I found some files from 1999 we keep "in case of..." |
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| 08:49.42 | eclectichedgehog | yeah and if you didnt keep them... |
| 08:49.48 | darxmurf | and users keep saying "no no we need those files, don't delete it!" with files owned by root and chmod 600 |
| 08:49.59 | eclectichedgehog | :) |
| 08:50.36 | darxmurf | how to waste money in storage servers... |
| 08:50.47 | ghormoon | DoctorD90: likely broken fstab |
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| 08:51.15 | ghormoon | also did you update-initramfs if you did changes? |
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| 08:51.34 | darxmurf | my boss said: we should buy a tape system, store old files on it and give tapes to those guys.... "we did not delete them, everything is on this drive" |
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| 08:53.05 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon never touched initramfs xD during updating in chroot, i remember it writes "update-initramfs: not updated due to running in live system read-only) |
| 08:53.27 | DoctorD90 | (im always from live, even now, even during creation of debootstrap/chroot) |
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| 09:01.50 | aZz7eCh | Okay i'm coming along in leaps and bounds. installed L AMP on my vps and it works. am trying to set up apache2 to serve multiple websites... but its behaving strangely. the root site being served from /var/www works fine. an additional site i've set up is also working fine if i browse to its domain. but two others, flat out refuse to load if i browse to them. i've checked my conf files |
| 09:01.51 | aZz7eCh | for my virtual hosts repeatedly and they're identical to each other... any suggestions what i might be missing? |
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| 09:02.43 | jelly | aZz7eCh: does apachectl -S list all the VirtualHosts? |
| 09:03.27 | jelly | aZz7eCh: which debian release are you using? |
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| 09:04.10 | aZz7eCh | yes it does |
| 09:04.13 | aZz7eCh | 7.8 |
| 09:04.21 | aZz7eCh | but wait |
| 09:04.26 | aZz7eCh | one of them has decided to start working |
| 09:04.30 | aZz7eCh | leaving only one thats not |
| 09:04.46 | aZz7eCh | let me recheck that domain registrars settings |
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| 09:11.53 | mesaboogie01 | hey does anyone know the differences between the different kalilinux downloads? I want the 64bit light because it's under 1gb but there's no information on "what it's light on"?? |
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| 09:13.27 | mesaboogie01 | I read recently that with 2.0 kali is making a lot of choices desktop environment-wise and I'm hoping I can get a "light de" download, with the tools[all 'o' them] that I want |
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| 09:15.05 | RoyK | !kali |
| 09:15.05 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 09:15.46 | mesaboogie01 | [based on Deb-Ian] |
| 09:15.53 | mesaboogie01 | RoyK: thnx |
| 09:18.02 | jelly | mesaboogie01: "based on" usually means "people in this channel have no clue what the authors of the derivative distro changed" |
| 09:18.48 | mesaboogie01 | k |
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| 09:19.31 | ghormoon | DoctorD90: if you're chrooted and have correct mounts, you should be able to update-initramfs so you can then make iso with updated one |
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| 09:20.15 | pfote | +s on directories was "inherit group", right? |
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| 09:23.45 | aZz7eCh | this is a domain registra type question - forgive being slightly off topic, but i'm having trouble pointing this domain to my VPS. In your domain registrar login, you can set nameservers and dns info. I have changed this domain's dns a entries to point to my vps. seems to have taken the info fine. one for the domain, one for www.domain*. nameservers, i deleted, because i no longer want it |
| 09:23.46 | aZz7eCh | pointing to the current host provider anymore. can i leave the nameservers blank? i have tried pointing these also at my VPS' ip but it wont have a bar of it as a nameserver... any help appreciated. |
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| 09:25.25 | jelly | aZz7eCh: are you running your own dns server? |
| 09:25.40 | aZz7eCh | probably not |
| 09:25.44 | aZz7eCh | all i've installed is LAMP |
| 09:25.49 | aZz7eCh | and phpmyadmin |
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| 09:26.26 | aZz7eCh | two other domains this has worked fine |
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| 09:26.40 | aZz7eCh | different registrar tho - and in that one ... i have checekd "use default nameservers" |
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| 09:26.57 | aZz7eCh | and therefore only need to give the dns a info for my VPS ip |
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| 09:28.53 | jelly | aZz7eCh: "dig your.host.name. A" will check the entry is present |
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| 09:29.55 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon to update initramfs? it is there a command? |
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| 09:31.24 | aZz7eCh | okay |
| 09:31.52 | aZz7eCh | when i set up this vps account i had to specify a server .. it suggested server1.(yourdomain.com) so i typed in server1.it-direct.com.au |
| 09:32.02 | aZz7eCh | so now running that command |
| 09:32.26 | aZz7eCh | i'm not sure what i'm looking for - it is however, showing my it-direct.com.au domain providers nameserver settings |
| 09:32.29 | DoctorD90 | ehm...little issue....if i set "export LANG=it_IT.UTF-8" during apt-get is show me è as bunch or unknow symbol, but write text in italian. It i use dpkg-reconfigure locale, and choice for it_IT.UTF-8 nothing happends .-. |
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| 09:32.33 | DoctorD90 | what's wrong? |
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| 09:33.26 | Vide | Hello, has anybody successfully configured 802.3ad bonding mode with Debian Jessie/systemd ? |
| 09:33.53 | Vide | Iâm trying to configure it on a Jessie dist-upgrade from a Wheezy and there is no way it works |
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| 09:38.29 | RoyK | Vide: what sort of bonding? |
| 09:38.48 | Vide | RoyK: 802.3ad (aka mode 4) |
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| 09:39.27 | Vide | Iâm trying to configure it from /etc/network/interfaces as I always did with prvious Debian versions |
| 09:39.37 | DoctorD90 | �� necessario, i get that one from apt-get .-. |
| 09:39.40 | Vide | (itâs a headless server) |
| 09:41.07 | RoyK | Vide: I've used it a few times, but it's a few years back. what's in the other end? |
| 09:41.30 | RoyK | a switch or another computer? |
| 09:41.50 | Vide | RoyK: if itâs a few years back I think you cannot help meâ¦as I said the problem is systemd (Jessie) related |
| 09:42.04 | Vide | it always work like a charm with previous Debian versions |
| 09:42.05 | RoyK | ah - right |
| 09:42.11 | RoyK | nah - this wasn't with systemd ;) |
| 09:42.20 | Vide | *worked |
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| 09:43.00 | Vide | Iâm really pissed off right now, Iâm trying to configure it with systemd conf files (/etc/systemd/network) |
| 09:43.07 | Vide | letâs see if it works this way |
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| 09:43.36 | aZz7eCh | at least you're getting that far ! i'm still on level 1 |
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| 09:45.56 | DoctorD90 | anyone for a locale issue in terminal? :P |
| 09:47.02 | babilen | No thanks, don't like those |
| 09:47.25 | TJ- | Vide: this may help you: https://major.io/2015/08/21/using-systemd-networkd-with-bonding-on-rackspaces-onmetal-servers/ |
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| 09:47.57 | srvk | Does anyone know if I have to rebuild the Debian kernel with modified config to get IOMMU support with intel Vt-d? |
| 09:48.15 | Vide | TJ-: thx! actually Iâm trying to configure it this way right nowâ¦the systemd way |
| 09:48.44 | Vide | but itâs quite absurd that Debain docs donât mention anything special about bonding+systemd |
| 09:49.08 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon I: update-initramfs is disabled (live system is running on read-only media). :P maybe this is the issue :D i go to google :D |
| 09:50.08 | rozie | srvk: compiling new kernel debian |
| 09:50.21 | TJ- | Vide: takes time for docs to catch up, and bonding is not a regular pastime for most users, and those that do you use are not necessarily the folks spending time on docs |
| 09:50.28 | aZz7eCh | Jelly: you still here? |
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| 09:50.42 | DoctorD90 | solving initramfs :D maybe great! |
| 09:50.42 | rozie | srvk: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en |
| 09:51.15 | Vide | TJ-: Iâll try to figure out how to get the docs updated in Debian when Iâve fixed it |
| 09:51.44 | Vide | TJ-: if you have any suggestion about where to begin to report it (bug report, ML post, whatever), you are very welcome! |
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| 09:53.03 | TJ- | Vide: probably start in the Wiki? |
| 09:53.21 | srvk | rozie: Thanks. I found a guide that just has a list of commands, but at the end it tells you to do 'dmesg | grep -e DMAR -e IOMMU'. The output of that command seems to be saying that support is enabled. Do I really need to compile a new kernel? |
| 09:53.21 | aZz7eCh | i'm not running a nameserver on my vps ... but i'm still not understanding why this wouldn't be working. using dot.tk to set up two free domains, all i had to do was modify their DNS A entries to point to my VPS IP and they worked. they serve the different websites correctly from each directory. this last remaining domain is with another domain provider. it had already had its nameservers |
| 09:53.21 | aZz7eCh | changed to point to where we had the files hosted - so i removed those records (leaving no name servers specifed) .. the dns a records, i entered to point to my VPS ip just as I did with dot.tk domains. i have run dig as you suggested but not sure what i'm suppose to be seeing as a hint |
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| 09:57.07 | Groggy1 | aZz7eCh: Was the dot.tk domains new ones? |
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| 09:58.00 | aZz7eCh | just made them earlier yeah |
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| 09:58.20 | aZz7eCh | my friends domain however, we already had pointed at his hosting provider |
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| 09:58.27 | aZz7eCh | so i removed those nameserver entries. |
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| 09:58.39 | aZz7eCh | i have googled what the 'default' nameservers should be for that provider |
| 09:58.43 | aZz7eCh | and entered thos |
| 09:58.45 | aZz7eCh | those* |
| 09:58.47 | aZz7eCh | but same thing |
| 09:58.51 | aZz7eCh | so now i'm really confused |
| 09:59.01 | Groggy1 | You have to wait for 24/48 hours for the DNS to propagate as all DNS servers has the old NS for that "old" domain |
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| 09:59.15 | RoyK | Groggy1: depends on the config |
| 09:59.28 | RoyK | Groggy1: using a TTL of 86400 isn't very smart :P |
| 09:59.29 | aZz7eCh | OHHHH |
| 09:59.34 | Groggy1 | true RoyK, I was about to ad a comment about thet |
| 09:59.42 | aZz7eCh | okay so... the question that remains is - can i leave the NameServer entries, blank ? |
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| 09:59.43 | Groggy1 | but generally, one has to wait |
| 10:00.12 | RoyK | aZz7eCh: try dig a host.your.dom |
| 10:00.16 | RoyK | it should tell the ttl |
| 10:00.36 | aZz7eCh | as it no longer points at the old hosting instantly as soon as i removed the name servers, i figured it was happening and thered be no wait |
| 10:01.08 | aZz7eCh | host.your.dom being server1.it-direct.com.au <-- what i named my VPS ? |
| 10:01.16 | RoyK | it should still tell you the ttl of the new entry, which should be equal to the ttl of the old one |
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| 10:01.33 | RoyK | ouch - 86400 |
| 10:01.37 | RoyK | that 24h |
| 10:01.42 | fireba11 | that's normal |
| 10:02.00 | aZz7eCh | dig a server1.it-direct.com.au |
| 10:02.13 | aZz7eCh | done that ... it spits back ..... stuff - what am i lookign for exactly i still dont understand |
| 10:02.29 | RoyK | it-direct.com.au.86400INSOAns-1.ezyreg.com. cpanel.netregistry.com.au. 2015082501 86400 7200 3600000 86400 |
| 10:02.30 | aZz7eCh | and this is on my VPS i'm doing this |
| 10:02.36 | fireba11 | if you intend to move it you usually lower the TTL to 1h 1-2 days in advance. and then lower again to 5 min 2 hours in advance. and then move over really quick and reset the 24h ttl :-D |
| 10:03.20 | koollman | I stopped using big ttl on my dns records. dns servers are pretty robust |
| 10:04.37 | aZz7eCh | i have no idea what you're talking about ttl :( |
| 10:05.02 | aZz7eCh | and this doesn't answer if i can leave the namesever entries blank on my mates domain provider login or not |
| 10:05.03 | aZz7eCh | lol |
| 10:05.05 | RoyK | aZz7eCh: the line I pasted above - the number after it-direct.com.au. is the ttl, time to live |
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| 10:06.22 | aZz7eCh | i can, cant change the time, to live ? |
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| 10:07.02 | aZz7eCh | and 1799 what? minutes ? |
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| 10:23.24 | blackjack | can someone point me as to where to download a .deb installer of the game "Urban Terror" game for debian? |
| 10:23.36 | blackjack | i seem to find many links on google that im not sure which is the official one |
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| 10:25.43 | tmp_ | Hi guys, my internet always drops or just doesnt work. I pasted output of dmesg | grep iwl here http://pastebin.com/PP210Cv3 I also notice that everytime I hit ctrl + alt it reconnects. Any suggestions? I've tried stable testing and unstable, along with centos and fedora and i have the same issue everywhere. Once it starts working robustly, it stays that way until the next day. Any suggestions? Thanks! |
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| 10:26.25 | tmp_ | (I mean that my wifi connection is bad, the ctrl + alt to drop it seems to only be in debian.) |
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| 10:34.08 | DoctorD90 | any solution to locale issue? |
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| 10:35.15 | sweb | how can i gzip text in command line |
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| 10:35.38 | sweb | cat my.txt | whatgzip > my.txt.gz |
| 10:36.00 | sweb | i dont wanna have archive file ... just gzip content of file |
| 10:36.08 | DoctorD90 | sweb: do you want zip or unzip? |
| 10:36.18 | sweb | DoctorD90: nope |
| 10:37.25 | DoctorD90 | ah....if i have understand gzip file.gz file.txt should work... |
| 10:37.29 | DoctorD90 | never tried |
| 10:37.38 | sweb | like http Content-Encoding |
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| 10:38.06 | sweb | it's just gzip content not create archive file contain orginal file (like zip,rar,7z) |
| 10:38.55 | DoctorD90 | as i said, try to gzip file.gz file.txt && cat file.gz |
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| 10:40.22 | blackjack | tmp_ since you said you tried other distros like fedora and centos and still has the same issue, i think your issue is not on any Linux OS, its probably a hardware issue, or ISP issue. I suggest you look elsewhere coz its not specific to a software problem but hardware. |
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| 10:42.16 | tmp_ | blackjack: hmm yea, thats what I'm kind of afraid of |
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| 10:45.29 | SynrGy | sweb: i don't understand your problem statement. I also don't understand DoctorD90's suggested solution |
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| 10:46.19 | sweb | Problem is when you create regular archive file like zip,rar,7z ... you can open it using Archive manager right ? |
| 10:46.31 | sweb | i dont wanna this type of compression ... |
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| 10:47.07 | SynrGy | sweb: gzip my.txt |
| 10:47.09 | sweb | When you enable gzip on webserver ... webserver just create gzip version of string (HTML,CSS,JS) ... it's not an archive file |
| 10:47.13 | babilen | DoctorD90: Which locale issue? |
| 10:47.24 | DoctorD90 | hi SynrGy ...my solution is that i just suggest to try :P because i never meet that type of need :P |
| 10:47.25 | sweb | SynrGy: it's create archive file dude |
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| 10:47.47 | SynrGy | sweb: you want output to standard out? |
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| 10:48.39 | SynrGy | sweb: gzip -c my.txt |
| 10:48.42 | sweb | SynrGy: something like that, but remember gzipped string like cannot add multiple file ... it's just Content-Encoding |
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| 10:49.48 | SynrGy | DoctorD90: check the man page. "gzip file.gz file.txt" doesn't even make sense. |
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| 10:50.14 | SynrGy | sweb: does gzip -c not do what you want? if so, please explain. and use better English. i'm not really understanding your sentences. |
| 10:50.26 | sweb | SynrGy: let me try |
| 10:50.39 | DoctorD90 | babilen: i run a debian based distro in live(kali). I would like to use my language instead of default english. But if i do "export LANG=it_IT.UTF-8", for example, apt-get install say "is necessary", in italian it should be "è necessario" but it write "(unknonw char) necesario".....im trying tomfigure out how let's use italian and get accent rigth support :P |
| 10:50.52 | SynrGy | !kali |
| 10:50.53 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 10:51.36 | jelly | DoctorD90: ask the kali people whether their terminal and shell are configured properly for UTF-8 support |
| 10:51.37 | babilen | DoctorD90: I don't think that you've mentioned that issue before and Kali explicitly not supported in this channel. Please use #kali-linux for support. |
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| 10:52.35 | DoctorD90 | no, yes, but i was think that i was making some error in setting locale :) for this i asked here :D |
| 10:52.49 | sweb | SynrGy: try open this file : https://github.com/angular/bower-angular/blob/master/angular.min.js.gzip |
| 10:53.06 | DoctorD90 | you say me that is a strange locale issue due to utf8 support of kali...i go there! thx :D |
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| 10:53.23 | sweb | it's gzip also but not archive |
| 10:53.35 | sweb | string > gzip string |
| 10:54.00 | SynrGy | sweb: yes. i know how gzip works. |
| 10:54.22 | sweb | how can i create something like agnular.min.js.gzip in terminal ... |
| 10:54.35 | SynrGy | sweb: gzip angular.min.js |
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| 10:54.48 | SynrGy | sweb: this produces angular.min.js.gz |
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| 10:55.21 | SynrGy | sweb: did you want the file extension '.gzip' instead? if so, that's not standard ... it can be done, but i don't understand why you need that. |
| 10:56.14 | SynrGy | sweb: gzip -S .gzip my.txt |
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| 10:56.58 | sweb | gzip angular.min.js return me an archive ... did you try open angular.min.js.gzip via Archive Manager ? |
| 10:57.37 | sweb | downlaod it |
| 10:57.37 | sweb | https://github.com/angular/bower-angular/blob/master/angular.min.js.gzip |
| 10:57.44 | sweb | and try open with Archive Manager |
| 10:57.47 | SynrGy | sweb: i did download it. i don't use archive manager. |
| 10:57.57 | SynrGy | sweb: that's a file association thing based on file extension |
| 10:58.02 | SynrGy | it's not a different format of file |
| 10:58.16 | SynrGy | the *only* different thing about this is the non-standard use of '.gzip' instead of '.gz' |
| 10:58.19 | SynrGy | it's not a different file format |
| 10:58.43 | sweb | it's different ... it's an archive ... archive can contain many file and folders ... but gziped string it's not archive ... just gzipped string like http://php.net/manual/en/function.gzcompress.php |
| 10:58.57 | SynrGy | sweb: you are mistaken |
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| 11:00.10 | SynrGy | sweb: no filename information is encoded in the resulting my.txt.gz. it is simply a compressed bunch of bytes. |
| 11:00.46 | SynrGy | sweb: your test is flawed. "archive manager can't open it therefore it is not an archive" <- WRONG |
| 11:01.00 | SynrGy | archive manager simply doesn't know what the ".gzip" suffix means. it's not standard. |
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| 11:03.58 | SynrGy | DoctorD90: no, we are saying kali isn't supported here. even if the issue could be proven to be the same in debian, you simply don't ask kali questions here. please remember this for next time. if you have a problem with debian, ask here. if you have a problem with kali, ask on the #kali-linux channel. |
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| 11:04.59 | DoctorD90 | ah...sorry....i think debian related question could be asked here. sorry |
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| 11:10.23 | Lantern | I installed Debian yesterday with no gui and I am having trouble changing the color of the cli |
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| 11:16.43 | ghormoon | DoctorD90: sry, i was afk, when I was debootstrapping, when correctly mounted /dev etc. I could update-initramfs even when the host os was live (usb). what do you see in mount when chrooted? |
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| 11:17.20 | jelly | sweb: mind that gzip does not create archives, it merely compresses byte arrays (iotw, single files) |
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| 11:21.38 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon: im back from lunch :D i go to restartbpc and say :D (many thx) |
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| 11:21.53 | crane | hi, is it possible to found out from which source a package has been installed? |
| 11:22.18 | crane | apt-cache showpkg foo seems to just query the sources list cache? |
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| 11:28.19 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon i run the following line to mount cdebootstrap env: |
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| 11:28.59 | DoctorD90 | cp /etc/resolv.conf chroot/etc/resolv.conf && mount none -t proc chroot/proc && mount none -t sysfs chroot/sys && mount -o bind /dev chroot/dev && mount none -t devpts chroot/dev/pts && chroot folder |
| 11:29.05 | anddam | https://wiki.debian.org/chroot uses the chroot command but I don't have it and it's now obvious what packages should provide it from PDO |
| 11:29.14 | anddam | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=chroot&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 11:29.42 | anddam | I installed binutils and debootstrap hoping they'd provide the command |
| 11:29.44 | anddam | they don't |
| 11:29.53 | DoctorD90 | btw ghormoon from a post on a ubuntu site, i have find out existance of "/usr/sbin/update-initramfs.orig.initramfs-tools -u" |
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| 11:30.12 | anddam | oh it's sbin/ |
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| 11:30.29 | anddam | and the answer is coreutils |
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| 11:31.04 | DoctorD90 | used for live mode :D when i create env debootstrap from a live system(my case)...it updates, but still gives some error and remain in initframfs |
| 11:31.23 | anddam | mmm I searched the results of PDO search for sbin/chroot and I didn't have a match, why isn't coreutils listed in that query results? |
| 11:31.37 | anddam | is https://packages.debian.org/jessie/linux-user-chroot a wiser choice? |
| 11:32.01 | ghormoon | DoctorD90: chroot and paste output of "mount" to see if everything looks fine |
| 11:32.48 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon i have to mount that, run chroot, and in the end from another normal temrinal run mount, rigth? |
| 11:33.14 | ghormoon | yup, mount without parameters shows mounts you have |
| 11:33.41 | DoctorD90 | yea yea, just asked to be sure of my english comprehension :D |
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| 11:36.52 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon http://pastebin.com/a8wEz6QG |
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| 11:40.49 | ghormoon | DoctorD90: you don't have / in the chroot, then update-initrmafs can't correctly find it. true that when I've been doing it, it was separate mountpoint anyway, not just a folder :-/ |
| 11:41.18 | ghormoon | actually /boot may be enough |
| 11:41.27 | DoctorD90 | ehm...what do you mean? :P |
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| 11:41.57 | DoctorD90 | mount none -t boot chroot/boot ? |
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| 11:42.14 | ghormoon | I'm pretty sure not with none :P |
| 11:42.23 | ghormoon | boot is normal partition |
| 11:42.45 | DoctorD90 | ok i go to test :D |
| 11:43.18 | ghormoon | back then, I've mounted the real /boot of the bootstrapped OS. for the live cd, you have it only in folder and then make squashfs of it, right? |
| 11:43.43 | DoctorD90 | english barrierrrrr xD i hate xD wait that i understand :P |
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| 11:44.42 | DoctorD90 | yes, i have chroot/boot folder in which is present initrd and vmlinux, then i run mksquashfs chroot dd90/cd/image/live/filesystem.squashfs -e boot |
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| 11:45.34 | ghormoon | I'm just looking on some live cd tutorial and just realised that the isolinux part shoud take care of this. it seems ok that you don't have mountpoints and don't build initramfs. though I don't know what wen wgorng there then. |
| 11:45.46 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon mount -t boot chroot/boot or mount -t /boot chroot/boot ? |
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| 11:46.35 | ghormoon | forget that, that seems not the solution for a live cd |
| 11:46.35 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon i mainly follow that one |
| 11:46.38 | DoctorD90 | http://willhaley.com/willhaley/blog/create-a-custom-debian-live-environment/ |
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| 11:47.09 | ghormoon | I'd go looking in the isolinux part to se if something is wrong there |
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| 11:47.50 | DoctorD90 | nothing, because it boots, and leave me choices :D |
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| 11:48.22 | DoctorD90 | i click on the what i want, then same load of lives, and a certain point i get that |
| 11:48.45 | DoctorD90 | http://s24.postimg.org/d4vlf2sr9/linux.png |
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| 11:50.01 | ghormoon | you usually get dropped to initramfs shell because something IS wroing in your bootloader configuration and it can't boot on it's own |
| 11:50.50 | ghormoon | maybe you can try to fix fstab, if it finds the mountpoints then it may start up. |
| 11:50.55 | DoctorD90 | uhm...since i have removed boot=live from loader i dont get kernel panic |
| 11:51.11 | ghormoon | though to propagate the fstab change, you'd need update-initramfs. so nope |
| 11:51.27 | ghormoon | it can't find the partition with the os. you may try mounting it manually |
| 11:51.30 | DoctorD90 | i think your suggest to mount / is good... |
| 11:51.47 | ghormoon | do something like mount /dev/something /root |
| 11:51.55 | DoctorD90 | i go to try to mount it manually in chrot :P |
| 11:52.02 | ghormoon | and then try exec switch_root /root/ /sbin/init |
| 11:52.23 | ghormoon | maybe it's easier to figure it first in the initramfs to know what you miss |
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| 11:57.38 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon mount: block device boot is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 11:57.38 | DoctorD90 | mount: special device boot does not exist |
| 11:57.54 | DoctorD90 | so mount boot i cant from live :D or from normal system too maybe xD |
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| 11:58.16 | ghormoon | you make separate squashfs for boot and root? |
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| 11:58.53 | DoctorD90 | ?? no |
| 11:59.03 | DoctorD90 | mksquashfs chroot dd90/cd/image/live/filesystem.squashfs -e boot |
| 11:59.10 | ghormoon | what was the mount command you tryied to mount? |
| 11:59.15 | DoctorD90 | cp chroot/boot/vmlinuz*686-pae dd90/cd/image/live/vmlinuz686 |
| 11:59.16 | DoctorD90 | cp chroot/boot/initrd.img*686-pae dd90/cd/image/live/initrd686 |
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| 11:59.19 | DoctorD90 | this 3 cmds :P |
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| 11:59.54 | DoctorD90 | mount point tried : mount boot chroot/boot |
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| 12:01.05 | darxmurf | guys I need your experience :) |
| 12:01.35 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon maybe it may be that i change name to vmlinux and initrd? |
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| 12:02.19 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon : update-initramfs.orig.initramfs-tools -u \ update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-686-pae \ live-boot: core filesystems devices utils udev blockdev. |
| 12:02.23 | ghormoon | DoctorD90: fisrt, in the initramfs shell it gives you when you boot it, try to find the partition with / and try to mount it manually |
| 12:02.50 | Katharsis | yo |
| 12:02.59 | Katharsis | how to fix D-SUB out of range? |
| 12:03.22 | Katharsis | i changed resolution / refresh on a few ways and its not working |
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| 12:03.39 | Katharsis | it weird beacuse 1920x1080 works for a while, after last reboot |
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| 12:03.51 | darxmurf | I have big files generated by machines |
| 12:03.59 | darxmurf | but are never rotated... |
| 12:04.07 | darxmurf | I need to create a script to split this mess |
| 12:04.12 | darxmurf | files look like this : |
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| 12:04.14 | darxmurf | http://pastebin.com/GKBvNzzF |
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| 12:04.30 | darxmurf | all the experiments starts with #Login |
| 12:04.49 | darxmurf | what's the more efficient language to script something to split that ? |
| 12:05.16 | Equa | darxmurf: man split |
| 12:05.42 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon http://s16.postimg.org/x2zdot01x/linux.png |
| 12:06.03 | darxmurf | Equa: yep but I need to check dates in each "split" also |
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| 12:06.08 | CptStabington | Good day |
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| 12:06.27 | ghormoon | DoctorD90: not sure where exactly the partition with / would be in line cd. I'd guess /dev/sdXY though |
| 12:06.29 | darxmurf | and make 6 months ranges files |
| 12:07.22 | CptStabington | So, I am completely new to Debian. Just moved over from Arch |
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| 12:08.31 | CptStabington | I can't seem to find LXDM with apt |
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| 12:09.40 | jelly | CptStabington: possibly because it's not packaged |
| 12:09.51 | CptStabington | Seems like it's in the test repo. But if I enable that, will it then prioritize installing other stuff from testing? |
| 12:10.14 | jelly | CptStabington: you'd break your jessie system that way, yes |
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| 12:10.29 | jelly | judd: checkbackport lxdm |
| 12:10.30 | judd | Backporting package lxdm in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
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| 12:10.52 | jelly | CptStabington: the only sane way to get the software in jessie would be to rebuild it for jessie |
| 12:10.52 | CptStabington | Hm, how would a seasoned debian user solve this :P |
| 12:11.01 | jelly | dpkg, tell CptStabington about simple sid backport |
| 12:11.19 | jelly | that way. (see dpkg's private message) |
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| 12:11.31 | CptStabington | Oh neat, thanks :D |
| 12:11.42 | jelly | or use some other *dm maaybe? |
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| 12:13.23 | CptStabington | Oh dang. Kali has its own repos |
| 12:13.39 | CptStabington | Thought it just used debian's |
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| 12:14.48 | anddam | I have a "linux installer" for a program that is provided as ELF, I'd like to run it in a jail or so, it's not a fishy producer but I kinda don't like this packaging |
| 12:14.56 | anddam | is chroot the right tool? |
| 12:15.22 | anddam | I'd like to let it run in an empty tree and see what's going to install |
| 12:15.30 | anddam | or even not empty, but separated from main os |
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| 12:15.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell CptStabington -about kali |
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| 12:16.34 | CptStabington | alright then |
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| 12:19.14 | t4nk086 | hello, anyway to install qt5-default on Debian 7.8 |
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| 12:19.45 | t4nk086 | i get "Unable to locate package qt5-default" |
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| 12:22.50 | Brigo | ,v qt5-default |
| 12:22.51 | judd | Package: qt5-default on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 5.3.2+dfsg-4+deb8u1; stretch: 5.4.2+dfsg-5; sid: 5.4.2+dfsg-8; experimental: 5.5.0+dfsg-4 |
| 12:23.03 | Brigo | t4nk086, from backports |
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| 12:23.11 | Brigo | !backports |
| 12:23.12 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 12:23.45 | t4nk086 | so how do i allow backports |
| 12:24.45 | t4nk086 | nvm, reading the manual |
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| 12:26.33 | gerforce | Hello, I have a problem with ibus on Debian Jessie. After installed, I couldn't use it to switch input method. I couldn't even see the icon. |
| 12:27.23 | gerforce | I googled but the solutions are not working for me. |
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| 12:31.17 | Kurvivor | hello. i need advice on debian installation. There is an embedded-board PC (with HDD and cd drive connected to it by IDE cable) |
| 12:31.44 | Brigo | Kurvivor, what kind of advice? |
| 12:31.45 | Kurvivor | when i insert debian netinstall cd and try to boot from it, i get DISK BOOT FAILURE message from BIOS |
| 12:32.07 | bazhang | ,v ibus-gtk3 |
| 12:32.09 | judd | Package: ibus-gtk3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.1-9+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.5.1.is.1.4.2-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.5.9-1; sid: 1.5.10-1; stretch: 1.5.10-1 |
| 12:32.22 | Brigo | Kurvivor, did you try to boot that cd in other computer? |
| 12:32.29 | Kurvivor | some testing got me that: 1) the cd is bootable - 'normal' PC boots from it just fine |
| 12:33.02 | Kurvivor | 2) CD-ROM the embedded PC is reading from is fine |
| 12:33.29 | Brigo | so the disk fails just in that cd-driver. |
| 12:33.34 | Kurvivor | 3) windows installer disk works fine (it boots and is able to perform an install) |
| 12:34.00 | gerforce | bazhang: I have already installed ibus |
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| 12:35.04 | bazhang | gerforce, start it, configure it, install the language packs, restart it and go |
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| 12:35.52 | Kurvivor | any advice on how to get past this problem would be appreciated. Maybe i am using some wrong Debian cd? it is debian-9.1.0-i386-standard iso |
| 12:36.00 | Kurvivor | *8.1.0 that is |
| 12:36.01 | gerforce | bazhang: I have done those steps. |
| 12:36.05 | Brigo | Kurvivor, can the drive read the cd when it is running? |
| 12:36.23 | Brigo | Kurvivor, 9.1 will be a problem for sure :) |
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| 12:36.42 | Brigo | Kurvivor, the pc is i386? |
| 12:37.28 | Kurvivor | Brigo: cd is readable (checked on the same drive that burned it) |
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| 12:38.24 | Brigo | Kurvivor, i am wondering if the cd drive of that embeded pc can read the cd. |
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| 12:38.43 | gerforce | bazhang: I run ibus-setup to configure. And run im-config to choose ibus as the default im engine. |
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| 12:39.59 | Kurvivor | Brigo: i cannot really check that, since there is no OS i can boot to read the disc normally |
| 12:41.35 | Brigo | Kurvivor, is that pc old? sometimes old drives cannot read cds burned at high speed |
| 12:42.03 | blackjack | hello |
| 12:42.16 | blackjack | can someone point me as to where to download a .deb installer of the game "Urban Terror" game for debian? |
| 12:42.16 | Kurvivor | cd drive IS indeed old |
| 12:42.21 | Kurvivor | 1999 year manufacture |
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| 12:43.22 | Brigo | blackjack, try ubuntu, anyway it could not work in debian. I use it in debian, just downloaded the .tar.gz, uncompress it an run it :) |
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| 12:43.46 | Brigo | Kurvivor, that could be the problem, try to force a slow burning speed. |
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| 12:44.48 | Christoph_vW | is systemd broken? the umask for the hhvm process is 0 on my machine... but the default umask is 022 |
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| 12:45.30 | Kurvivor | Brigo: ok. I will try using a never CD reader first, though |
| 12:46.00 | Brigo | Kurvivor, it could be a good solution, too :) |
| 12:46.33 | jelly | Christoph_vW: what makes you think the service manager might be broken, instead of the service unit definition? |
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| 12:47.09 | Brigo | jelly, because is systemd! :D |
| 12:47.11 | Christoph_vW | systemctl show hhvm -> UMask=0022 |
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| 12:47.42 | Christoph_vW | but when I attach gdb to hhvm it says the umask is 0 |
| 12:48.44 | jelly | Christoph_vW: that points more to something in hhvm having called umask() after starting TBH |
| 12:48.52 | blackjack | Brigo, why did you say it might not work. |
| 12:48.55 | Kurvivor | Brigo: you were right! CD-reader from 2005 achieved success |
| 12:49.07 | Kurvivor | and now i have a pretty liveCD splash screen |
| 12:49.09 | Christoph_vW | jelly: but it has the correct umask when I start it from cmdline |
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| 12:49.35 | Brigo | Kurvivor, nice :) |
| 12:49.40 | jelly | ,v hhvm |
| 12:49.41 | judd | Package: hhvm on amd64 -- sid: 3.2.0+dfsg1-2; stretch: 3.2.0+dfsg1-2 |
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| 12:49.54 | jelly | Christoph_vW: alright, which debian release are you using? |
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| 12:49.59 | Brigo | blackjack, because they are packages for ubuntu, not debian. |
| 12:50.19 | Christoph_vW | 8 |
| 12:50.27 | blackjack | aaahhhhhhhhh ok then. i wont bother:) |
| 12:50.27 | jelly | Christoph_vW: where did you get hhvm from? |
| 12:51.05 | Christoph_vW | Version: 3.9.0~jessie / Provided by: hhvm-dbg, hhvm-nightly, hhvm-nightly-dbg |
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| 12:51.18 | jelly | Christoph_vW: I'd say ask them, for a start |
| 12:51.35 | Kurvivor | ok, what is "/sbin/init exists but couldn't execute it"? |
| 12:51.49 | Kurvivor | (error 28) |
| 12:52.27 | Brigo | Kurvivor, i would check the cd integrity ... :-m |
| 12:52.37 | jelly | Christoph_vW: it's possible systemd in jessie has issues. I'd try to reproduce it by cloning the hhvm service unit into a similar one that just runs something like /bin/sleep 3600, then check umask of that process |
| 12:53.21 | Christoph_vW | jelly: I cannot find a file for the service defintion - it looks like it uses the init script to build a temp one |
| 12:53.43 | jelly | Christoph_vW: well then, why not put "umask 022" into the 3rd party init script |
| 12:54.08 | Christoph_vW | jelly: that was my first try - it didn't seem to have any effect |
| 12:54.35 | Kurvivor | Brigo: how do i do that? |
| 12:54.53 | jelly | Christoph_vW: you can still clone the init script to call sleep instead of the real thing, and verify ;-) |
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| 12:55.37 | Brigo | Kurvivor, try this: http://ccm.net/faq/4880-linux-check-if-your-cd-was-successfully-burned |
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| 12:56.23 | Brigo | Christoph_vW, the temp unit files are in /run/systemd. |
| 12:56.46 | Christoph_vW | Brigo: thx, I will have a look |
| 12:56.56 | Brigo | Christoph_vW, np :) |
| 12:57.23 | darxmurf | is this wrong ?? if [[ "$line" =~ "^#Login$" ]]; then |
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| 12:57.49 | Night_Elf | I remember reading somewhere something about the file permition of files on creation time using a systemd box. It was mentioned there that in many cases the umask mechanism is ignored. But really really, as I only skimmed throug the article and I rarely need to use umask as is, and I am a complete ignorant on systemd, do be very sceptical on what I am writing. |
| 12:57.50 | darxmurf | this match : if [[ "$line" =~ "#Login" ]]; then |
| 12:57.56 | jelly | darxmurf: a good question for #bash channel |
| 12:58.18 | darxmurf | hm |
| 12:59.15 | PinkFreud | if [ "$line" = "foo" ]; then echo yep; fi |
| 12:59.42 | PinkFreud | set line=foo, and see if that works for you :) |
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| 13:00.45 | babyfoxy | anyone know any good channels for html help? |
| 13:00.49 | jelly | yeah, doing a regex match on a fixed string is a bit silly |
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| 13:01.02 | newstuff | ||||| >>>>> WHAT IS YOUR DOMAIN NAME WORTH? Vist >>> www.VALBOT.com <<< FREE DOMAIN VALUATION! or GOOGLE >>> VALBOT.com <<< ||||| |
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| 13:01.18 | ruind | babyfoxy, #html? |
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| 13:03.29 | darxmurf | jelly: yep |
| 13:03.39 | darxmurf | answer : put the regex in a var |
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| 13:03.52 | darxmurf | then [[ $line =~ $regex ]] |
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| 13:21.44 | al3xy | hi, how can i install protobuf 2.5 on jessie, apt-get installs latest 2.6.1 for me. thx! |
| 13:22.37 | jelly | ,v protobuf |
| 13:22.38 | judd | No package named 'protobuf' was found in amd64. |
| 13:22.44 | jelly | al3xy: what's the package name? |
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| 13:23.38 | al3xy | protobuf-compiler or libprotobuf , im not sure |
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| 13:23.56 | al3xy | @jelly what u mean ",v" |
| 13:24.12 | jelly | that was for the bot |
| 13:24.17 | aZz7eCh | Jelly: (or anyone really), does it matter that I'm getting these errors when apache starts? http://paste.debian.net/305323/ |
| 13:24.42 | aZz7eCh | ... still trying to resolve this domain not pointing to my VPS still |
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| 13:25.34 | jelly | aZz7eCh: it's not critical, just a warning the hostname of this machine isn't set correctly |
| 13:26.05 | al3xy | i installed both protobuf-compiler & libprotobuf, but protoc --version says 2.6.1, which i expected to be 2.5 |
| 13:26.12 | jelly | ,v protobuf-compiler |
| 13:26.14 | judd | Package: protobuf-compiler on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.3.0-4; wheezy: 2.4.1-3; jessie: 2.6.1-1; stretch: 2.6.1-1; sid: 2.6.1-1.2 |
| 13:26.28 | jelly | al3xy: that's the only version available in jessie |
| 13:26.38 | aZz7eCh | Jelly: so that would have no bearing on my mates domain not pointing to it yet? theoretically i must be set up right on my vps side if those two new domains i made point to their respective directories on my vps right ? |
| 13:26.45 | jelly | aZz7eCh: nope |
| 13:27.20 | al3xy | @judd @jelly, so i can only install from source if i need 2.5? |
| 13:27.43 | jelly | al3xy: MAYBE you can find an old version on snapshot.debian.net |
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| 13:30.07 | aZz7eCh | jelly: should i add server1.it-direct.com.au (what i named my server with my vps service) to my domain provider login as a Host? or anythign like that ? |
| 13:31.46 | jelly | aZz7eCh: this warning is an issue separate from your web site accessibility |
| 13:31.57 | jelly | !hostname |
| 13:31.58 | dpkg | Use «hostname foo» to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
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| 13:32.41 | jelly | aZz7eCh: ^^ put a line like "your.stat.ic.ip server1.it-direct.com.au server1" into /etc/hosts, and put "server1" into /etc/hostname |
| 13:35.36 | aZz7eCh | server1.it-direct.com.au is the only thing in /etc/hostname |
| 13:35.45 | aZz7eCh | hosts i cant edit for some reason brb |
| 13:35.51 | jelly | aZz7eCh: yeah... DON'T put the fqdn in there. |
| 13:36.01 | jelly | just the hostname |
| 13:38.08 | aZz7eCh | hmm okay that has reduced it to just the NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts |
| 13:38.12 | aZz7eCh | error* |
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| 13:38.22 | aZz7eCh | or warning rather. |
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| 13:39.07 | DoctorD90 | ghormoon: nothing to do....tryied many ways...nothing to do :( i have to wait again for somebody much skilled than us....BUT MANY thx! |
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| 13:43.54 | jelly | aZz7eCh: right, that's probably because your VirtualHost definitions use a specific IP rather than *:80. You ought to change that NameVirtualHost. But it's also just a warning. |
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| 13:48.13 | aZz7eCh | change it? to what then? |
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| 13:48.50 | aZz7eCh | but really i'm not panic'd about that since they're just warnings and not part of my issue. |
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| 13:49.43 | aZz7eCh | i'm really confused about DNS, Name Servers, My Domain, my VPS having my domains domain, doesn't my domain registration have to account for it ? |
| 13:50.14 | jelly | aZz7eCh: which web does not work at present? |
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| 13:53.05 | jelly | never seen rude underwear before |
| 13:53.24 | aZz7eCh | i'm painfull dont take offense at him :( you are long suffering.. |
| 13:53.42 | aZz7eCh | quantumitsolutions.com.au (my mates domain) ... is not redirecting to my VPS. The two "brand new" domains i made earlier as you know worked fine pointing to my VPS. its now been hours so i would have thought my mates domain should be pointing to my vps by now |
| 13:54.06 | aZz7eCh | i changed the A Records, under his DNS settings, to my VPS's IP |
| 13:54.14 | aZz7eCh | that was hourrrrs ago and havent fiddled with them since. |
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| 13:54.30 | aZz7eCh | thinking this should be quicker i have been fiddling with the nameserver entries because that has IMMEDIATE effects |
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| 13:55.04 | aZz7eCh | ie eg if i type back in the previous host details bammo the old page comes straight back up regardless of the new dns a record settings |
| 13:55.06 | aZz7eCh | follow ? |
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| 13:55.52 | aZz7eCh | i am of course talking about the settings, inside his domain providers account login |
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| 13:56.11 | aZz7eCh | not debian in my vps |
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| 13:56.39 | echo083 | hello someone can help me ? at boot it shows failed to load intel-ucode/06-37-08 (-2) |
| 13:56.55 | jelly | aZz7eCh: alright, does the A record for "quantumitsolutions.com.au" point to your server's IP? |
| 13:57.10 | aZz7eCh | yep i put two in |
| 13:57.11 | jelly | aZz7eCh: run "dig quantumitsolutions.com.au. A" |
| 13:57.16 | aZz7eCh | okay brb |
| 13:57.18 | jelly | aZz7eCh: two of what? |
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| 13:57.55 | aZz7eCh | two entries for DNS A Records i put in. one was just quantumitsolutions.com.au and i did a second for www.quantumitsolutions.com.au |
| 13:58.10 | aZz7eCh | both pointing to my vps ip |
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| 13:58.20 | aZz7eCh | just ran dig qu* |
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| 13:58.48 | aZz7eCh | status: SERVFAIL |
| 14:00.17 | aZz7eCh | http://paste.debian.net/305379/ |
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| 14:00.54 | echo083 | hello |
| 14:01.08 | jelly | aZz7eCh: that means "the designated DNS servers for domain quantumitsolutions.com.au. fail to respond (do not work at all) so dig can't look up that record" |
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| 14:02.01 | aZz7eCh | i'm begging you... how do i fix omg |
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| 14:03.06 | jelly | aZz7eCh: at this point you look which DNS servers are those, so "dig quantumitsolutions.com.au. NS" |
| 14:03.55 | aZz7eCh | http://paste.debian.net/305390/ |
| 14:03.56 | aZz7eCh | lol |
| 14:04.04 | jelly | aZz7eCh: when you get some NS results, you ask one of them if they actually know anything about that domain: "dig quantumitsolutions.com.au SOA @ns4.syra.net.au." |
| 14:04.07 | aZz7eCh | same output ... A changed for NS |
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| 14:05.23 | jelly | aZz7eCh: that looks wrong, you're getting a SERVFAIL from 8.8.8.8 ? |
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| 14:06.42 | jelly | aZz7eCh: google is doing something weird there. Let dig do all the procedure itself, "dig +trace quantumitsolutions.com.au NS" |
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| 14:09.20 | aZz7eCh | http://paste.debian.net/305393/ |
| 14:09.56 | TJ- | From here there's no SOA in the NS declared in the whois (@ns5.syra.net.au) |
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| 14:11.32 | jelly | aZz7eCh: right, so now you sort of know which NS are relevant for that domain, and you can ask one directly: "dig quantumitsolutions.com.au SOA @ns4.syra.net.au." |
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| 14:12.44 | jelly | aZz7eCh: and when you get an empty response from it, and no "aa" in the flags, you know the domain is not configured correctly, because its NS servers think they're not its NS servers. :-) |
| 14:12.56 | aZz7eCh | http://paste.debian.net/305395/ |
| 14:14.19 | aZz7eCh | well this takes me back to my original question then |
| 14:14.29 | aZz7eCh | can i just need the nameserver entries blank ? |
| 14:14.42 | aZz7eCh | i put in the ns4 & ns5 entries for nameservers |
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| 14:14.51 | aZz7eCh | googled the provider and what their default nameservers would be |
| 14:14.51 | jelly | aZz7eCh: you'll have to fix the config at quantumitsolutions.com.au's registrar |
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| 14:15.27 | jelly | I have no idea what it's supposed to look like, contact their support if unsure |
| 14:15.40 | jelly | as it is, DNS for that domain is broken |
| 14:15.49 | aZz7eCh | its dns entries point to my vps |
| 14:16.01 | jelly | what do you mean by "its dns entries" |
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| 14:18.06 | jelly | TJ-: tried to lead aZz to arrive at that point |
| 14:18.12 | aZz7eCh | http://snag.gy/8Ej3s.jpg |
| 14:18.42 | aZz7eCh | this is a snap of the console panel i'm looking at |
| 14:18.52 | aZz7eCh | for quantumitsoultions |
| 14:19.06 | aZz7eCh | i deleted ns5 out of nameservers for a moment |
| 14:19.20 | aZz7eCh | and beneath you cant see the dns delegation |
| 14:19.27 | TJ- | aZz7eCh: it is possible they only update the zone files on a schedule, rather than immediately |
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| 14:20.14 | aZz7eCh | has been 2-3 hours or more |
| 14:20.16 | jelly | aZz7eCh: there should be a setting for "dns is hosted here at this registrar" |
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| 14:20.42 | jelly | instead of having to specify them manually as "ns4.syra.net.au" |
| 14:21.25 | aZz7eCh | https://www.cheapdomains.com.au/help/general_settings.html |
| 14:21.39 | aZz7eCh | these are where i'm getting the settings for that domain providers namesettings from |
| 14:21.52 | aZz7eCh | presuming linux name servers |
| 14:23.11 | jelly | aZz7eCh: is "cheapdomains.com.au" the registrar, and your screenshot their control panel? |
| 14:24.07 | aZz7eCh | yes |
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| 14:24.36 | TJ- | well duh! :D |
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| 14:25.35 | jelly | aZz7eCh: well, whatever they're saying there, ns4 and ns5 do not think they're authoritative for your domain. So either there's a significant delay or your interpretation isn't correct |
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| 14:26.03 | aZz7eCh | well i have no doubt my interpretation is INCORRECT |
| 14:26.05 | aZz7eCh | thats why i'm here |
| 14:26.05 | aZz7eCh | omg |
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| 14:26.16 | aZz7eCh | i need, an interpretor |
| 14:26.23 | jelly | aZz7eCh: what were the default settings for "Name Servers" before you touched anything? |
| 14:26.34 | aZz7eCh | they were set to point at his existing hosting |
| 14:26.42 | aZz7eCh | i can put those nameservers back in and BAMMO away she goes |
| 14:26.55 | aZz7eCh | unfotunatly - serving hte old content |
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| 14:27.32 | jelly | aZz7eCh: contact the registrar's support, I can't guess what their UI does and it's not really a Debian issue at this point |
| 14:27.56 | aZz7eCh | i realise that i did say off topic earlier today :P |
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| 14:28.13 | jelly | alright then |
| 14:29.00 | jelly | the three-line "menu" icon right of "Name Servers" might do something |
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| 14:29.44 | aZz7eCh | lol |
| 14:29.55 | aZz7eCh | if you're trolling me you're evil. |
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| 14:31.45 | jelly | aZz7eCh: nah, just out of options |
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| 14:35.32 | RaSla | Hi there! Can anybody help me with PulseAudio on Debian Testing? |
| 14:35.35 | Owner | Hello, what is the last release that doesnt have systemd? |
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| 14:35.51 | RaSla | Owner, Debian 7 |
| 14:35.58 | jelly | ,v systemd |
| 14:35.59 | judd | Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u1; stretch: 224-1; sid: 224-1 |
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| 14:36.21 | Owner | RaSla, thanks |
| 14:36.24 | jelly | Owner: there was systemd in debian 7 too, as a technology preview more than anything useful |
| 14:36.38 | Owner | i just want to get an iso that wont install it |
| 14:37.11 | jelly | Owner: you can install debian 8 with sysvinit as init, tho some components of systemd will be installed as well |
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| 14:37.52 | yianni | Anyone install Debian on a Surface Pro 3? |
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| 14:38.36 | darxmurf | yianni: you like chalenges :D |
| 14:38.41 | Owner | the webpage only has debian 8 |
| 14:38.42 | jelly | Owner: second option on http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/How_to_stay_with_sysvinit_in_Debian_Jessie.html |
| 14:39.03 | yianni | darxmurf: i'll do *almost* anything to avoid using an ms os :) |
| 14:39.25 | jelly | yianni: except buying hw that supports linux well? |
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| 14:39.45 | yianni | I did not buy it |
| 14:40.02 | jelly | precisely |
| 14:40.03 | yianni | Just inquiring... and planning |
| 14:40.24 | Owner | where do i get debian 7 |
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| 14:41.26 | icebrain | Owner: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/ |
| 14:41.44 | Owner | trhanks |
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| 14:44.21 | darxmurf | yianni: Windows 10 is quite nice actually |
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| 14:49.00 | ezra-s | if you don't mind the ugly font rendering or the lack of driver support that it actually has |
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| 14:50.00 | Filystyn | guys how cani check how much space takes a program i installed? |
| 14:50.04 | Filystyn | with apt-get |
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| 14:50.57 | tamuren | Hello, how do I download mysql on debian squeeze? |
| 14:51.10 | tamuren | I use 'apt-get install mysql-server' and get 'Failed to fetch http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libp/libplrpc-perl/libplrpc-perl_0.2020-2_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 202.8.47.148 80]' |
| 14:51.55 | markybob | tamuren, apt-get update ? |
| 14:52.22 | tamuren | That results in: E: Method rred has died unexpectedly! E: Sub-process rred returned an error code (100) E: Method /usr/lib/apt/methods/rred did not start correctly |
| 14:52.24 | markybob | plus you should probably use mariadb but that's another dicussion |
| 14:52.44 | jelly | tamuren: run apt-get update, and try again |
| 14:52.55 | ChrisH | ,v libplrpc-perl |
| 14:52.57 | judd | No package named 'libplrpc-perl' was found in amd64. |
| 14:53.02 | jelly | ,v mysql-server |
| 14:53.03 | judd | Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.1.73-1; squeeze: 5.1.73-1; squeeze-security-lts: 5.1.73-1+deb6u1; wheezy: 5.5.40-0+wheezy1; sid: 5.5.42-1; sid: 5.5.43-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.5.43-0+deb8u1; jessie: 5.5.43-0+deb8u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.5.44-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.44-0+deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.44-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.44-0+deb8u1; sid: |
| 14:53.04 | judd | 5.6.25-3 |
| 14:53.14 | jelly | dpkg, tell tamuren about squeeze-lts |
| 14:53.38 | jelly | ChrisH: thanks, totally forgot about that one being gone |
| 14:53.51 | ChrisH | IIRC we had this some days ago. |
| 14:54.00 | tamuren | Cool so is it going to come back? |
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| 14:56.29 | jelly | tamuren: no. Add LTS repos and try to install again. |
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| 14:57.35 | beastwick | If jessie is the new stable why provide lts for old stable? I'm just curious. |
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| 14:58.12 | markybob | businesses need it |
| 14:59.10 | aZz7eCh | what the hell |
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| 14:59.37 | aZz7eCh | Jelly: I just added right ... the nameservers from the dot.tk domain provider from earlier today, to my mates domain registrar |
| 14:59.46 | aZz7eCh | on a whim |
| 14:59.51 | aZz7eCh | and bugger me if now ... it works |
| 14:59.56 | tamuren | What are LTS repos |
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| 15:00.10 | jelly | tamuren: read the private message from dpkg |
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| 15:00.33 | markybob | tamuren, https://wiki.debian.org/LTS |
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| 15:01.15 | jelly | beastwick: lts for oldoldstable, actually :-) |
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| 15:01.44 | jelly | oldstable still has 8 months of normal security support |
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| 15:03.12 | chainsaw10 | Anyone know what to do with a wifi card that keeps dropping the connection (and not showing it on the icon)? I'm using the garbage Broadcom card in the XPS 13 2015 with broadcom-sta-dkms. It seems to work if there's data actively going across it, like using IRC over ssh. |
| 15:03.29 | chainsaw10 | Otherwise it will randomly just stop working. |
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| 15:03.55 | aZz7eCh | jelly: and now its randomly not working :( |
| 15:03.56 | ChrisH | chainsaw10: sounds a bit like energysaving mode on client or AP side |
| 15:04.14 | ezra-s | chainsaw10: first I'd try to see what the log from wpa_supplicant reports |
| 15:04.24 | chainsaw10 | I used powertop and disabled energysaving. What's the best way to check logs? |
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| 15:06.17 | ezra-s | chainsaw10: start looking at /var/log/syslog |
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| 15:07.08 | chainsaw10 | okay, I grepped it. What's a good pastebin to use (never used one before)? |
| 15:08.06 | jelly | !paste |
| 15:08.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 15:08.35 | chainsaw10 | thnx, will be back in a minute. Have to anonymize to post publicly... |
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| 15:09.08 | tamuren | Cool, that seems to have worked |
| 15:09.30 | tamuren | oh wait no it didn't |
| 15:10.27 | tamuren | I added the LTS repo to my sources.list and tried to apt-get install mysql-server and it failed |
| 15:10.49 | aZz7eCh | jelly: if you go to http://quantumitsolutions.com.au/ do you see QIT? or some yellow error page |
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| 15:11.34 | Filystyn | FREE VPN FOR DEBIAN |
| 15:11.36 | Filystyn | ANYONE? |
| 15:11.37 | Filystyn | HELO? |
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| 15:11.39 | Filystyn | ? |
| 15:11.41 | Filystyn | hue ;-) |
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| 15:11.53 | bazhang | Filystyn, nope |
| 15:12.36 | jelly | aZz7eCh: that still does not resolve for me |
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| 15:14.00 | aZz7eCh | does't resolve? you didnt' even get the sorry page? |
| 15:14.53 | chainsaw10 | ezra-s: Here's the logs: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/5768bec5/ . I've removed MAC addresses and cert DNs, but haven't removed any lines. I started at an arbitrary point that looked relevant. The rfkill mentions are probably me bouncing the connection to make it work. |
| 15:16.47 | ezra-s | chainsaw10: do you have the same behaviour when you try to connect at 2.4GHZ? |
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| 15:18.04 | chainsaw10 | Um, idk if I tried that. I'm at a college using the eduroam network. Is there a way I can restrict to 2.4 GHz? IIRC my home network *may* have been 2.4 with the same problem, but I don't remember, might have been 5 also. |
| 15:18.14 | jelly | aZz7eCh: I got a "Host not found" |
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| 15:19.23 | ezra-s | chainsaw10: you have soemthing to check for then, also try to google and see if you have any useful info from errors like this, seems they happen before your connection drops -> bgscan simple: Failed to enable signal strength monitoring |
| 15:19.35 | aZz7eCh | this is such a HF ... why is it working on this pc. i just grabbed another pc and it cant see it either like you |
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| 15:19.52 | aZz7eCh | oh, yes it can |
| 15:20.45 | chainsaw10 | ezra-s: thanks. I didn't know wpa_supplicant logged that kind of thing, I'll google it. Really appreciate it. Is there any way from NetworkManager to tell it only to use 2.4GHz? |
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| 15:21.32 | ezra-s | chainsaw10: I don't think so, but I'm not sure, at least I don't recall seeing that option |
| 15:22.04 | Brigo | what about "rfkill: WLAN soft blocked" ? |
| 15:22.05 | ezra-s | in the gui at least |
| 15:22.29 | chainsaw10 | Brigo: I imagine that's from me bouncing the connection to unfreeze it. |
| 15:22.40 | ezra-s | rfkill is probably a manual disconnect like the button switch some laptops have, or at least that sounds familiar to me to be that |
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| 15:23.10 | chainsaw10 | Here's another interesting line I didn't post (sorry, just found it) [I think it's okay to post one line here?] nl80211: Was expecting local disconnect but got another disconnect event first |
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| 15:23.35 | Brigo | chainsaw10, is ok one or two lines. |
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| 15:23.57 | ezra-s | chainsaw10: maybe that's a coincidence which happened at the same time as the bgscan error |
| 15:24.24 | ezra-s | google a bit what you know so far, or you will be overwhelmed |
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| 15:24.35 | chainsaw10 | Looks like the bgscan error happens immediately when connection is established. I'm guessing that's a lack of implementation by Broadcom. |
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| 15:27.19 | chainsaw10 | One other thing I'll run past you guys. Since I disabled the power thing in powertop "Wireless Power Saving for interface wlan1" and have the ssh connection open to my VPS (where my irc client is), the connection hasn't dropped. Is there any way that could be related? |
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| 15:29.09 | ezra-s | chainsaw10: totally |
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| 15:29.28 | ezra-s | powersaving if not configured wisely can cause that and many other annoyances |
| 15:29.34 | Captain_Sifff | Hey guys, I have some issues getting pam_ldap to work on Jessie over SSL. I can retrieve data from the ldap server using ldapsearch -H ldaps://host ... . The Authentication works as expected if I configure the uri of the ldap server in pam_ldap.conf using uri ldap://host . If I now use ldaps://host I get ldap_bind_simple Can't contact LDAP Server in my auth.log. |
| 15:29.39 | ezra-s | still shaking from his last laptop-mode experience |
| 15:29.49 | Captain_Sifff | Any ideas how I can debug this further? |
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| 15:30.42 | jwd | Captain: using openssl or gnutls? |
| 15:30.43 | jelly | Captain_Sifff: "not easily" |
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| 15:31.07 | ezra-s | Captain_Sifff: which port are you using in your ldap server? |
| 15:31.13 | jwd | there is an issue with openssl openldap on jessie |
| 15:31.35 | chainsaw10 | ezra-s: I'm using tlp, because an article said it would help battery. Just disabled wifi power saving in the config file, hope that does something. |
| 15:32.15 | chainsaw10 | ezra-s: yeah, I knew the wifi on this model was bad, I just didn't expect *this* bad. Wish they would have just used the Intel card vs the Broadcom one. Thanks a ton for the advice! |
| 15:32.21 | ezra-s | chainsaw10: following tutorials or recommendations blindly ends up in disaster in my experience, hehe |
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| 15:32.45 | ezra-s | chainsaw10: no problem, glad I could help a little |
| 15:32.48 | jelly | Captain_Sifff: a couple years ago we debugged a pam_ldap-using service, and found out the hard way that openldap library (libldap) sends debug output to stderr (fd2) when debug is enabled. Regardless of what the process uses fd 2 for. :-) |
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| 15:33.14 | chainsaw10 | ezra-s: yeah...about that... That's what I get for not carefully editing the config file. If that fixes the problem, I'm going to be so annoyed at myself :) |
| 15:34.06 | Captain_Sifff | jwd: Any more hints on that issue? |
| 15:34.09 | jwd | what i found out the last days (by using a pki system that uses openssl library) is that up to wheezy there is no problem at all with ldaps, but on jessie that will not work at all |
| 15:34.35 | jwd | are your certs build against the openssl or the gnutls library? |
| 15:35.04 | Captain_Sifff | I'm using self-signed certificates and I created them using openssl |
| 15:35.23 | Captain_Sifff | But currently I have disabled all certificate checks on the client |
| 15:35.35 | tamuren | Can debian squeeze not download mysql-server only recently? |
| 15:35.35 | jwd | https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/OpenLDAPSetup |
| 15:35.43 | tamuren | Like is this a change that happened last week or what? |
| 15:36.25 | jwd | the pki system i planned to use uses openssl yet to. as soon i switched to a jessie system ldaps stopped working. |
| 15:36.43 | Brigo | tamuren, amd64? |
| 15:36.48 | tamuren | Yes |
| 15:36.49 | jwd | but thats no bug its a feature as it seems |
| 15:36.58 | jelly | tamuren: a couple months ago |
| 15:37.02 | Brigo | tamuren, i don't think so. |
| 15:37.16 | tamuren | jelly: is that so? |
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| 15:37.32 | jelly | tamuren: is mysql-server still uninstallable even after adding squeeze-lts repos? |
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| 15:37.35 | RoyK | tamuren: afaics both mariadb and mysql are in the repos - better use mariadb |
| 15:37.41 | jelly | RoyK: not for squeeze |
| 15:37.50 | RoyK | oh |
| 15:37.52 | tamuren | jelly: yes |
| 15:37.53 | RoyK | sori |
| 15:38.08 | jhutchins | ,v mysql-server |
| 15:38.09 | judd | Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.1.73-1; squeeze: 5.1.73-1; squeeze-security-lts: 5.1.73-1+deb6u1; wheezy: 5.5.40-0+wheezy1; sid: 5.5.42-1; sid: 5.5.43-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.5.43-0+deb8u1; jessie: 5.5.43-0+deb8u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.5.44-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.44-0+deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.44-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.44-0+deb8u1; sid: |
| 15:38.10 | judd | 5.6.25-3 |
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| 15:38.31 | jelly | tamuren: hmm, pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy mysql-server" |
| 15:39.22 | Captain_Sifff | Well, from the fact that ldapsearch works on the client, I can't deduce that pam_ldap will work? |
| 15:39.34 | jwd | ldapsearch uses ldap:// |
| 15:39.39 | Brigo | all squeeze arch are being moved to archive.debian.org, but LTS ones, it means execpt i386/amd64 |
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| 15:40.59 | Captain_Sifff | ldapsearch -H ldaps:// ? |
| 15:41.04 | Captain_Sifff | that works |
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| 15:43.02 | jwd | How did you generate your certificates? If you generated them using OpenSSL, you're going to run into problems. Debian switched over to using gnutls a while ago, and it doesn't play nice with OpenSSL certificates. |
| 15:43.20 | jwd | thats from the page on debian wiki |
| 15:43.44 | Captain_Sifff | Yes, but the solution there essentially disables all checks |
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| 15:46.59 | jwd | i found no other solution yet |
| 15:47.25 | jwd | i switched back to a wheezy based ldap server |
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| 15:49.41 | Captain_Sifff | The ldap Server is on Wheezy. My client currently is on Jessie |
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| 15:51.01 | hexnewbie | How do I make IceMole^WIceweasel open http://hostname:port/ when I type http://hostname:port/? It keeps trying to open http://www.hostname.com:port/ |
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| 15:52.58 | jelly | hexnewbie: does the "hostname" resolve? |
| 15:53.20 | hexnewbie | jelly: Presently no |
| 15:53.32 | jelly | hexnewbie: how do you expect it to open, then? |
| 15:53.57 | hexnewbie | Displaying "Server not found" perhaps would help |
| 15:54.02 | jwd | he prolly uses the google dns :P |
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| 15:54.52 | jelly | hexnewbie: it would, but the common simple user is probably happier that the browser tries to go to www.imgur.com even if they just typed imgur |
| 15:55.09 | stiky | im not |
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| 15:56.09 | jwd | Captain_Sifff: no idea. maybe you just hit another problem not related to what i said |
| 15:56.19 | displaced | I'm looking for help with apache2. it won't allow me to use virtual hosts |
| 15:56.29 | stiky | displaced how so |
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| 15:56.39 | Captain_Sifff | hmm... It's getting the look of it... |
| 15:56.50 | hexnewbie | I guess so :( Hm, I found it. It's browser.urlbar.autoFill .. These are difficult to guess nowadays |
| 15:56.55 | jelly | hexnewbie: this feature is explained if you do a web search for something like... say: firefox disable guess hostname .com |
| 15:57.26 | jwd | ldap is a nightmare anyway :-) |
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| 15:58.29 | hexnewbie | jelly: Yeah. Thanks for the input. :) The downside is that this is a computer I use Iceweasel for the first time, hence... I'd have to do that again every time this happens :) |
| 15:58.37 | displaced | i've created the virtual host file. added the folder, given the user www-data access to the folder and used a2ensite to add it to the server. server settings say it's there. it still says the url doesn't exist. |
| 15:59.09 | jwd | dispaced: whats in the logs? |
| 15:59.09 | jhutchins | displaced: Have you restarted apache? |
| 15:59.19 | jelly | displaced: does the web site FQDN resolve to your server or some other IP? |
| 15:59.23 | displaced | if i a2dissite, the default virtual server 000-default. then it comes up, but only that site, i can't add a second site |
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| 15:59.55 | displaced | yup, repeatedly. I've followed like 5 different how tos on doing this. none work |
| 16:00.31 | jelly | howtos for 2.2 apache (debian 7 and earlier) probably won't match apache 2.4 on debian 8 precisely |
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| 16:00.56 | displaced | the logs don't help much. I did get an error once that said the server wasn't configured this way. but I've not got it but once and I wasn't really paying attention to it. now I don't see it. |
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| 16:01.03 | jwd | Captain_Sifff: i still would guess its related to the openssl/gnutls topic, but i lack a way to test that right now |
| 16:01.09 | displaced | I used 2 for debian 8 |
| 16:01.47 | tamuren | How do I install php 5.2.17? |
| 16:02.03 | displaced | I know, not reading the error is a user error but it didn't any information other than it wasn't configured that way |
| 16:02.04 | displaced | didn't give any other information |
| 16:02.06 | tamuren | That's what I need - any alternative will have to support Moodle 1.9.19 |
| 16:02.10 | stiky | displaced is it a local server? |
| 16:02.14 | displaced | yes |
| 16:02.20 | stiky | i have issues with that as well |
| 16:02.31 | stiky | i believe it to be dns related but i havent dug into it |
| 16:02.31 | displaced | my personal machine, I'm trying to build several websites at the same time |
| 16:02.34 | tamuren | If you create a VM of debian squeeze, the earliest PHP version downloaded by 'apt-get php5' is 5.3.3 |
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| 16:02.44 | tamuren | How do you instead download 5.2.17? |
| 16:02.49 | displaced | but I have 3 servers here. all of them do the same thing |
| 16:02.50 | stiky | because when i use virtual hosts on my VPS i can point .com domains to each vhost |
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| 16:03.04 | stiky | but i havent gotten seperate vhosts to work here |
| 16:03.06 | stiky | at home |
| 16:03.36 | stiky | if youre building seperate websites at home |
| 16:03.41 | jwd | displaced: are the hostnames resolved on the server itself? example from a /etc/hosts file? |
| 16:03.42 | stiky | why not just use seperate directories |
| 16:04.02 | jwd | tried curl -Iv http://domainname/ on the server itself? |
| 16:04.16 | displaced | yes, before building them on a commercial server. this is to show how we make it work and I'm building my persaonal site as well |
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| 16:05.32 | displaced | no, the names are not. I'm using <ip address/host name> |
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| 16:06.48 | displaced | This normally works. hell I've had it work just by dropping the folder into the /www folder and it worked |
| 16:06.56 | displaced | not now |
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| 16:07.29 | jwd | to test on the server itself make them resolvable and test with curl. look into the logs if you see the requests |
| 16:07.53 | jwd | if you have logfiles for every vhost you could see if your requests end in the correct vhost. |
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| 16:08.57 | jwd | in general log files are a nice source of info if anything goes wrong :-) |
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| 16:09.25 | Miesco_ | Hi. How do I get the EAP method with wpa_cli? |
| 16:09.32 | Miesco_ | the EAP method of a network |
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| 16:11.05 | phale | how do I know if my wifi is using too much bandwidth on Debian 8 |
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| 16:11.49 | phale | because I seem to frequently disconnect and I've explored many theories why this is happening and I have come to a conclusion that this is most likely why. |
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| 16:15.54 | asterismo | hi ppl |
| 16:16.05 | asterismo | i'm installing dispora-installer |
| 16:16.06 | asterismo | https://wiki.debian.org/Diaspora |
| 16:16.30 | asterismo | it does installs only deps? or perform some config settings also? |
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| 16:18.37 | jwaz | Is there an alternative to kickstart for automating a custom debian install? |
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| 16:18.42 | tete_ | hi, i would like to install debian jessie on my little home server - i would like to use mdadm to create a raid5 on /, raid1 on /boot and raid1 for swap - is this a "good" partition layout? |
| 16:19.09 | jhutchins | !preseed |
| 16:19.09 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
| 16:19.19 | jwaz | I'm considering using kickstart in combination with preseeds and git clone to do the setup |
| 16:19.25 | jwaz | !kickstart |
| 16:19.25 | dpkg | Kickstart is an automated installation method used by Red Hat Enterprise Linux, allowing installation of large numbers of identical Linux systems. A Kickstart file can be loaded from an initrd via the 'initrd-kickseed' debian-installer udeb package. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Kickstart . See also <fai>. |
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| 16:20.19 | jhutchins | tete_: Why would you mirror swap? |
| 16:20.38 | tete_ | jhutchins, if one drive fails, i dont want to reboot the server or have applications crashing |
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| 16:21.58 | jhutchins | tete_: So you will have two drives dedicated to swap? |
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| 16:22.26 | tete_ | jhutchins, two partitions on two drives, yes |
| 16:22.33 | tete_ | not good? better ideas? |
| 16:22.39 | tete_ | i am wondering if i even need a swap.. |
| 16:23.29 | jhutchins | tete_: It's good to have in an emergency where something unexpected happens, but in normal operations you don't want a server to use swap at all. |
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| 16:27.42 | dimitry7 | hello guys, any good rss news feeder for debian? |
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| 16:30.22 | markybob | dimitry7 ever tried theoldreader.com ? |
| 16:31.42 | r6ku | what the hell is that? |
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| 16:32.31 | markybob | r6ku, are you talking to me? |
| 16:32.43 | r6ku | dimitry7: liferea, akregator, some mail clients support rss as well |
| 16:33.11 | wallbroken | is there some way to emulate a wireless card? |
| 16:33.23 | markybob | r6ku, need me to google that for you? when i already gave you a url? |
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| 16:34.40 | r6ku | markybob: don't plug your stuff on #debian https://theoldreader.com/pages/privacy |
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| 16:35.10 | dimitry7 | markybob, noup, never tried, will try those :D. thank you!! |
| 16:35.10 | markybob | r6ku, it's not my stuff. i have nothing to do with that site. he asked for rss. i answered |
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| 16:35.22 | dimitry7 | r6ku, nice !! Thank you man!! :) |
| 16:35.30 | r6ku | he asked for an rss client, not a cloud service |
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| 16:36.20 | markybob | r6ku it *is* an rss service. |
| 16:36.26 | markybob | sigh |
| 16:37.29 | Huck777 | hi, my systems starts too fast for my eth0 drivers i think. i can only connect to the internet if i reset my pc when it's up to force an fsck check to slow down the boot otherwise i have a never ending connection try (on gnome and dhclient and static ips don't work either) |
| 16:37.35 | Captain_Sifff | jwd: I will now recreate my certificates.... |
| 16:38.27 | markybob | r6ku, someone asks for an email. you won't suggest gmail and then attack someone that does? |
| 16:38.40 | delaine | is aptitude purge the equivalent to dpkg -p ? |
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| 16:39.53 | Brigo | delaine, more ore less |
| 16:39.55 | markybob | delaine, yes |
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| 16:40.52 | Brigo | Huck777, when the system starts without net, can you see the eth0 with ifconfig command? |
| 16:41.02 | Huck777 | yes |
| 16:41.09 | delaine | Ok cool i was just asking when installing a .deb to uninstall just the package it's self and remove the configuration files. |
| 16:41.53 | Brigo | Huck777, then i would like to see the boot logs. Can you paste the output of journalctl -b in paste.debian.net? |
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| 16:42.56 | mtn | delaine, purging a package will not always remove all config files. some are in the home folder and not touched |
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| 16:44.51 | Paul_ | Hello guys. I have an old TV connected to my laptop with a DVI-D ---> HDMI cable. Could someone explain me how to use this tv as a monitor, please ? |
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| 16:45.02 | centrx | Tee...Vee....? |
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| 16:47.27 | RoyK | Paul_: old TVs don't have HDMI :D |
| 16:47.28 | hexnewbie | Paul_: What is the issue? And how old is the TV? Does it have HDMI? |
| 16:47.55 | hexnewbie | Paul_: IOW, is that everything in your setup - no other convertor cables? |
| 16:48.20 | Huck777 | Brigo: I'm currently running the backports kernel... the same thing happens with the original as well. I had to cut the paste in 2 parts, otherwise they were too long http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c3911054/ http://paste.debian.net/hidden/1f467ec2/ |
| 16:48.24 | delaine | mtn sorta to remove with out removing dependencies |
| 16:48.25 | Paul_ | RoyK, hexnewbie: The TV has a DVI-D port. My laptop has a HDMI port. I have a DVI-D to HDMI cable. The problem is that no HDMI is detected with xrandr |
| 16:48.45 | Brigo | Huck777, jessie backport kernel? |
| 16:49.04 | Huck777 | Brigo: yes |
| 16:49.14 | Brigo | ,kernels |
| 16:49.16 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.2.0-rc8-686-pae (4.2~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.1.0-2-686-pae (4.1.6-1); stretch: 4.1.0-1-686-pae (4.1.3-1); jessie-backports: 4.1.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.1.3-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u3) |
| 16:49.30 | Brigo | Huck777, i have to try it! :D |
| 16:49.30 | Huck777 | Brigo: i can start the original kernel as well, if you want the log from the stable kernel |
| 16:49.31 | hexnewbie | Paul_: It's possible that the cable is faulty. Have you tested it in another setup? I have a computer shop nearby where 50% of the convertor (anything) sold just don't work :) |
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| 16:49.48 | delaine | does any one still use wheezy ? |
| 16:49.53 | Brigo | Huck777, if both kernels fail then the problem aren't the kernels. |
| 16:50.09 | mtn | delaine, I will bet they do ;) |
| 16:50.38 | Paul_ | hexnewbie: I can't verify... Why would this happen ? |
| 16:50.39 | hexnewbie | Paul_: Is the monitor LCD/digital or CRT/analogue? Are you *sure* the port is DVI-D, and not DVI-A? |
| 16:50.50 | mtn | delaine, please stop sending me private messages |
| 16:50.58 | delaine | sorry what to you mean mtn ? |
| 16:51.05 | mtn | delaine, about what? |
| 16:51.17 | Paul_ | hexnewbie: I just verified, and in fact that's DVI-I. |
| 16:51.22 | Huck777 | Brigo: (if it helps. i could install fedora 21 and 22 without a problem but after a reboot the network never worked) |
| 16:51.23 | delaine | i got the 411 i meant about wheezy |
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| 16:52.00 | mtn | delaine, obviously many still run wheezy, so I thought I would I would make some easy money |
| 16:53.57 | Brigo | Huck777, network-manager can detect your inteface at boot: Aug 26 18:42:42 horo NetworkManager[544]: <info> devices added (path: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:19.0/net/eth0, iface: eth0) |
| 16:54.12 | hexnewbie | Paul_: DVI-I should work too. IIRC, HDMI<->DVI-D should be a passive*cable, so fauly would mean some wire would be torn (that's less likely than my scenario) |
| 16:54.49 | hexnewbie | Paul_: Can you pastebin xrandr output? |
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| 16:55.10 | delaine | like you mean in the IT world or asking as a daily driver for home use ? |
| 16:55.15 | Huck777 | Brigo: yes, but dhcp never receives an ip and static ips don't work either (i have to reset my pc to force an fsck check and slow down the boot. after this step static and dhcp work) |
| 16:55.32 | delaine | wheezy will become a lts soon no ? |
| 16:55.37 | Paul_ | hewnewbie: http://pastebin.com/D3XRXHK6 |
| 16:55.38 | Brigo | Huck777, yes: Aug 26 18:42:42 horo NetworkManager[544]: <info> (eth0): device state change: unmanaged -> unavailable (reason 'managed') [10 20 2] |
| 16:55.50 | Paul_ | hexnewbie * sorry |
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| 16:56.21 | suusr | hi. i did a mistake: ln -s /usr/share/phpmyadmin /usr/share/nginx/html how to remove all files in html again?? i tried ln rm /usr/share/phpmyadmin /usr/share/nginx/html but i doesn't work. can someone help me out please`?? |
| 16:56.32 | Brigo | i think the state change should be unmanaged -> managed (or so). The reason (managed) is puzzling me. |
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| 16:57.14 | jelly | delaine: in about 8-9 months |
| 16:58.53 | delaine | yeah just reading the lts wiki now |
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| 16:59.34 | hexnewbie | Paul_: The TV also doesn't detect anything on the DVI port, if it has the ability to? Does anything in the xrandr output change when you try to force the TV to use DVI as input while it's on? |
| 17:00.09 | hexnewbie | Paul_: Do you have other displays with DVI and/or other sources with HDMI that you can test? |
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| 17:00.22 | delaine | thats exciting for whhezy |
| 17:00.27 | delaine | wheezy * |
| 17:00.38 | Huck777 | Brigo: what can i do now? |
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| 17:00.52 | Brigo | Huck777, yes, you are right the system finds the card and try to configure it (even is aware of the link) but dchp fails. |
| 17:01.16 | Brigo | Huck777, i would bet is a driver issue. |
| 17:01.29 | jhutchins | suusr "doesn't work" is a pretty vague term. I'm guessing you want either rm (-rf) /user/share/phpmyadmin/* or rm /user/share/nginx/html - the first will delete the contents of phpmyadmin, the second will remove the symlink. |
| 17:01.32 | Brigo | let me check for bugs. |
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| 17:03.14 | Paul_ | hexnewbie: Here's a picture: https://0x0.st/sRq.jpg . When I set the Source from my TV on "PC", I only get "No video input". But when I set it to "HD", I get a black screen. So, it means that's connected but no data is transmitted, no ? |
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| 17:04.10 | Huck777 | Brigo: but why does it work if the boot is slower? i found a similiar problem to mine in the crunchband forum and they recommended on a wheezy system to use the backports kernel and apparently the problem went away. |
| 17:04.25 | Huck777 | Brigo: oh and the same network card |
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| 17:04.46 | jelly | Paul_: tell your machine to do "xrandr --output HDMI1 --auto", that's supposed to enable it, then look at what TV inputs say |
| 17:04.48 | Brigo | Huck777, wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
| 17:05.09 | Brigo | Huck777, that is the jessie default. May be it is not the same problem. |
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| 17:05.37 | hexnewbie | Paul_: Is that a CRT or another kind of TV, by the way? How old is it? :) |
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| 17:06.48 | Huck777 | Brigo: i think it's a systemd problem :/ |
| 17:06.56 | Paul_ | hexnewbie: It's a 20 years old flat panel tv. |
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| 17:07.03 | Brigo | Huck777, try systemvinit. |
| 17:07.11 | Huck777 | Brigo: ok |
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| 17:08.11 | Brigo | Huck777, just install sysvinit, and let's see :) |
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| 17:10.35 | tete_ | hm, i created now / on raid5 and then guided partition, use entire drive with lvm and encryption, failed to install grub |
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| 17:10.48 | tete_ | seems like thats not working, even tho some people write it should work |
| 17:10.55 | Paul_ | hexnewbie: Also, nothing happens when I try to enable HDMI. Or the problem comes from the cable, or it comes from my computer that isn't correctly configured.. |
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| 17:11.54 | TJ- | Paul_: when the TV is linked to the PC it should be sending an EDID block to the PC... check in "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" to see if that reports getting anything, even if it is judged corrupt |
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| 17:12.55 | TJ- | Paul_: also, some TVs need to be connected *and* have HD mode selected at the time the PC boots, to be correctly detected by the PC |
| 17:13.11 | Paul_ | TJ-: Hell yeah, I have a lot of these lines http://pastebin.com/2msT8TfM |
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| 17:14.03 | TJ- | Paul_: "1600x900" for the "SEC" I'd guess is the LVDS (flat panel) on the laptop |
| 17:14.28 | TJ- | Paul_: "xrandr -q" should confirm that for you |
| 17:14.46 | Paul_ | TJ-: Ooooh. False hope... |
| 17:15.25 | Paul_ | I'll try to reboot.. |
| 17:15.29 | hexnewbie | tete_: Is /boot separate, or also on a/the RAID-5 array? |
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| 17:17.05 | hexnewbie | tete_: Grub2 should be able to work from RAID-5, though. Can you pastebin what's the install error? |
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| 17:19.57 | Paul | So it looks like nothing worked... |
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| 17:23.07 | Captain_Sifff | One thing: pam_ldap ignores the debug switch in the pam configuration... But debugging can be set in the pam_ldap.conf |
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| 17:23.46 | Paul | hexnewbie, TJ-: I just connected the TV to a Windows computer, and it worked. |
| 17:24.01 | TJ- | Paul: same cable? |
| 17:24.06 | Paul | TJ-: Yes. |
| 17:24.29 | TJ- | Paul: what make/model PC is the laptop that doesn't work? |
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| 17:25.37 | Paul | TJ-: It's a Dell XPS from 2012. |
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| 17:26.16 | TJ- | Paul: does it use Nvidia Optimus? (integrated GPU + discrete GPU) ? |
| 17:26.55 | Paul | TJ-: Yes, I have bumblebee. |
| 17:27.23 | TJ- | Paul: I wonder if that is part of the problem, although on the face of it I can't see why it would be |
| 17:27.39 | jhutchins | Paul: Conjecture: the GPU you currently have selected does not do HDMI. |
| 17:27.53 | TJ- | Paul: could there be a setting in the BIOS setup that affects this? |
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| 17:28.04 | jelly | jhutchins: and yet it has an output called "HDMI1" connected |
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| 17:29.21 | jhutchins | Meh. |
| 17:29.36 | Paul | TJ-: Found this on Google : http://www.webupd8.org/2012/08/get-hdmi-working-with-nvidia-optimus-on.html |
| 17:29.39 | Paul | "HDMI doesn't work with Optimus hybrid graphics chipsets under Linux for most laptops, even if you use Bumblebee, but there is a way to get HDMI to work: by using a separate session." |
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| 17:30.35 | TJ- | Paul: I'll add this to the end of my *very* long list of reasons to avoid Optimus! |
| 17:31.46 | TJ- | Paul if you use that guide and it works, where it says "you can't move a window from your current desktop to the monitor connected via HDMI" ... if you use 'Xpra" you can |
| 17:32.32 | Paul | TJ-: When I bought this laptop I was still a gamer and I don't really cared about GNU/Linux support. But now... Ha ha. |
| 17:32.35 | Paul | Thanks also |
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| 17:35.37 | Paul | TJ-: And you know the worse ? That guide tells you to run a command with optirun |
| 17:35.48 | Paul | TJ-: And I discovered that optirun was broken |
| 17:36.00 | TJ- | Paul: way of the world :) |
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| 17:36.23 | TJ- | Paul: at least you now know what is going on and can do something about it |
| 17:37.29 | Paul | TJ-: Yeah, I know that the problem comes from my system. It's software level, not hardware. |
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| 17:40.22 | TJ- | Paul: if you used the nvidia-prime proprietary drivers it will handle the external HDMI correctly |
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| 17:42.16 | Captain_Sifff | OK for the record... Everything ldap goes better with gnutls certificates.... |
| 17:42.41 | _habnabit | i think this is true, but just to confirm: version numbers are ordered naturally, right? i.e. 1.2.3~spam9 < 1.2.3~spam10 ? |
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| 17:47.40 | jelly | _habnabit: yes |
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| 17:47.59 | _habnabit | jelly, thanks! |
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| 17:48.14 | jelly | _habnabit: if unsure, there's dpkg --compare-versions ... |
| 17:48.26 | _habnabit | jelly, oh, cool, i didn't know about that |
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| 18:06.27 | suusr | hi. i did a mistake: ln -s /usr/share/phpmyadmin /usr/share/nginx/html how to remove all files in html again?? i tried ln rm /usr/share/phpmyadmin /usr/share/nginx/html but i doesn't work. can someone help me out please`?? |
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| 18:08.29 | jelly | suusr: that command would have just made a single symlink, /usr/share/nginx/html/phpmyadmin |
| 18:09.03 | jelly | suusr: look at ls -la /usr/share/nginx/html/ |
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| 18:41.55 | IamEld3st | i dont know if asking in right place but need to allow a normal user to use login command... i dont want to use sudo(i dont have it)... |
| 18:42.13 | greycat | Why do you want to run the login command? Are you from 1985? |
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| 18:42.36 | IamEld3st | i basicly need to login with ordinary user and then login to root |
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| 18:42.57 | centrx | "use login command"? |
| 18:43.01 | greycat | Use su. |
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| 18:43.22 | IamEld3st | normal user does not have permission and i dont have sudo on the server... |
| 18:43.41 | greycat | The traditional way is to login as yourself and then use su. sudo is the new-fangled way. |
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| 18:44.11 | Tsutsukakushi | but then you have to remember two passwords |
| 18:44.19 | greycat | And I'm guessing you aren't actually someone from 1985 who used to use the login command to logout. That idiom hasn't been used in ... well, a long time. |
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| 18:45.30 | rainfyre | i'm from 1985. i've adapted to su |
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| 18:45.40 | Wicked | Hello. I installed lxde and lxde-common. I didn't think that it will install it AND make it the default window manager. How do I make the changes back, please ? |
| 18:45.48 | greycat | Then I'm sure IamEld3st can manage it too. |
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| 18:46.06 | greycat | Wicked: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 18:46.18 | rainfyre | lol |
| 18:46.20 | Wicked | greycat: What will it do ? |
| 18:46.33 | greycat | Wicked: changes the destination of the /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager symlink |
| 18:47.16 | Wicked | "There is only one alternative in link group x-window-manager (providing /usr/bin/x-window-manager): /usr/bin/openbox Nothing to configure." |
| 18:47.26 | Wicked | I was using XFCE and Openbox. |
| 18:47.30 | greycat | Then what did you actually want to change? |
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| 18:47.46 | Wicked | greycat: I want to return to XFCE+Openbox... |
| 18:48.28 | greycat | waits for someone who understands DE issues to answer. |
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| 18:50.53 | mtn | Wicked, logout, choose the de you want in the login window screen |
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| 18:50.56 | armin | does anyone here have a recommendation for buying a KVM/IP switch? so i can access a physical machine over a network like if i have the hid devices directly attached to it (more or less, that is)? |
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| 18:51.13 | madprops2 | hi i created a user |
| 18:51.16 | Wicked | mtn: I use Slim. There's no DE to choose... |
| 18:51.26 | madprops2 | and i logged in through ssh, but usermod says 'command not found' |
| 18:51.28 | mtn | Wicked, then change your slim config |
| 18:52.21 | greycat | madprops2: ordinary users wouldn't be able to run usermod anyway. You need to be root (superuser). |
| 18:52.42 | Wicked | mtn: I'm trying, but I can't find this config file |
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| 18:53.15 | mtn | Wicked, the arch wiki should have a good section on slim, though not many use it anymore. you could use a more modern dm, like gdm |
| 18:54.10 | delaine | does Wicked have a .xinitrc ? |
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| 18:55.53 | Wicked | delaine: Where is this file located ? |
| 18:56.06 | greycat | well, that sounds like a "no". |
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| 18:57.33 | delaine | is you ls -a in home folder their could be .xinitrc |
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| 18:57.43 | delaine | you have too create it though |
| 18:57.46 | greycat | or just "ls -l ~/.xinitrc" |
| 18:57.54 | delaine | so it sounds like you don't have said file |
| 18:58.02 | greycat | I don't know which, if any, of the common DM programs read it. |
| 18:58.39 | delaine | slim doesnt read xsessions does it ? |
| 18:59.23 | greycat | At one point many releases ago, Debian was beginning to standardize on ~/.xsession for both startx and xdm logins. Then more DEs happened and they all did their own thing, and that pseudo-standard was shot to hell. |
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| 19:02.16 | jhutchins | Most of the dm's I've seen have an /etc/<dmname>/<dmname>rc |
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| 19:03.29 | delaine | Wicked some one pointed to an arch wiki right ? |
| 19:04.11 | delaine | F1 chooses window or DE to login into too |
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| 19:04.33 | jelly | the arch wiki has lots of very good documentation |
| 19:04.44 | delaine | yeah it's A+ |
| 19:04.56 | greycat | They are the most useful source of systemd docs, too. |
| 19:05.36 | IamEld3st | ok worked :D thanks alot |
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| 19:06.07 | jelly | that says something about actual systemd documentation |
| 19:06.42 | greycat | The official systemd documentation seems to be aimed more at Distribution Creators than at system administrators. |
| 19:07.07 | greycat | I don't need to know every obscure feature and its pitfalls. I just need to know how to start and stop things, and write my own services. That's what's missing. |
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| 19:07.49 | greycat | Oh, and I need to know how to clean up the mess made by the Distribution Creator. Hence my "how to make it stop clearing the console" page. |
| 19:08.50 | tlolczyk | Ok I'm trying to build my own policykit deb package. When I try to install I get: http://pastebin.com/QkSvNpVb . There is no mention of a file '/sys/fs/selinux/context.dpkg-new' in the package so why is dpkg trying to create it? |
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| 19:09.07 | jelly | tbh I don't know how to make it stop clearing the console even with sysvinit in wheezy |
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| 19:09.26 | greycat | jelly: edit /etc/inittab and add "--noclear" to each getty line. Then run "telinit q". |
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| 19:15.07 | yixs | Can the Debian system be provided to a specific time zone, like GMT+1? |
| 19:15.15 | yixs | I mean while installing |
| 19:15.26 | greycat | You choose a time zone while installing. |
| 19:15.45 | bogus- | you should choose a time zone ;) |
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| 19:16.39 | greycat | If you've already installed, you can change that default time zone by running "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". |
| 19:16.46 | jelly | greycat: shiny, going to add that to our templates for wheezy and jessie |
| 19:17.15 | yixs | I can only check "eastern", "western" or the like |
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| 19:17.24 | jelly | getty on tty1 wiping a whole screen of boot logs is just annoying |
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| 19:17.30 | yixs | AFAIK none of these matches my tz |
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| 19:17.49 | greycat | yixs: if the installer is being dumb, you can just do that dpkg-reconfigure tzdata command afterward. |
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| 19:18.41 | yixs | greycat: I know that I can do it after installation but that's a workaround which I would like to remove in the long run... |
| 19:19.03 | greycat | *shrug* I don't install often enough to know all the tricks and quirks of the installer. |
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| 19:24.05 | cosmo | i broke my sources.list again, dammit |
| 19:24.26 | madprops2 | hmm does dovecot.conf exists by default? |
| 19:24.35 | madprops2 | i tried reinstalling dovecot and using dpkg-reconfigure |
| 19:24.43 | madprops2 | yet it's still empty |
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| 19:25.32 | madprops2 | squirrelmail cant connect to dovecot/postfix |
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| 19:26.37 | madprops2 | can someone paste me a deafault dovecot.conf ? |
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| 19:27.11 | jelly | !confnew |
| 19:27.11 | dpkg | [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>. |
| 19:27.15 | jelly | madprops2: ^^ |
| 19:27.29 | madprops2 | oh nice thanks |
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| 19:27.51 | jelly | unless the config file is generated at install time |
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| 19:28.30 | jelly | madprops2: then you probably have to purge dovecot-core and reinstall it |
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| 19:28.46 | jelly | madprops2: hope you have backups! |
| 19:28.58 | madprops2 | jelly, what would the command be, to use dpkg --force-confnew |
| 19:29.14 | jelly | ummm the commands are listed above? |
| 19:29.21 | madprops2 | i tried dpkg --force-confnew dovecot-imapd |
| 19:29.29 | madprops2 | and dpkg-reconfigure --force-confnew dovecot impad |
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| 19:29.49 | madprops2 | but they dont seem to work |
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| 19:29.56 | jelly | madprops2: please read what dpkg said past the first sentence. |
| 19:31.05 | jelly | madprops2: and you'll probably have to deal with the underlying dovecot-core package, not dovecot-imapd |
| 19:31.21 | madprops2 | jelly, dovecot-core seems to not exist on jessie |
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| 19:31.40 | jelly | judd: v dovecot-core |
| 19:31.41 | judd | Package: dovecot-core on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 1:2.1.7-7~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:2.1.7-7+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:2.1.7-7+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1:2.2.13-11~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.2.13-11; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:2.2.13-12~deb8u1; stretch: 1:2.2.18-1; sid: 1:2.2.18-2 |
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| 19:31.59 | jelly | madprops2: dpkg -l dovecot\* |grep ^.i |
| 19:32.00 | greenman | Hey guys. So I updated debian to jessie and when I try to start apache, nothing happens, nothing in the logs either. Any clues? |
| 19:32.17 | jelly | greenman: did you read jessie release notes? |
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| 19:32.54 | greenman | I know that apache changed behaviro in 2.24 from 2.22, but that was just in how the config was configured, not in how it logs errors and whatnot |
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| 19:33.20 | greycat | greenman: wheezy to jessie is from 2.2 to 2.4, not from 2.22 to 2.24 |
| 19:33.31 | jelly | greenman: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apache-httpd-incomat |
| 19:33.51 | greycat | Apache changes in jessie require substantial sysadmin activity. |
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| 19:34.00 | jelly | greenman: if you've left old config in place things might just not work |
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| 19:34.07 | greycat | s/might/will/ |
| 19:34.15 | madprops2 | jelly, my bad i guess it exists, i ran the apt-get etc command with dovecot-core and i get at the end "Not replacing deleted config file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf |
| 19:34.15 | madprops2 | " |
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| 19:35.27 | greenman | jelly: yeah, but shouldn't errors at least happen. Ah well, I'll take this to apache. Thanks. |
| 19:35.30 | madprops2 | jelly, i used exactly "apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install dovecot-core |
| 19:35.31 | madprops2 | " |
| 19:35.31 | jelly | madprops2: touch an empty file in its place, and do that again |
| 19:35.58 | jelly | greenman: read the docs first please, or #httpd people will hate you |
| 19:36.27 | jelly | they're going to hate you anyway because debian's setup is strange and unnerving to them |
| 19:36.56 | greycat | Some of the recent Debian choices have been pretty bizarre and annoying. |
| 19:37.10 | madprops2 | jelly, no error this time but the file remains empty :/ |
| 19:37.16 | jelly | I haven't even had time to look at apache 2.4 yet |
| 19:37.20 | greenman | jelly: yeah, I read that before, well one that was more in depth as to the changes and it was mostly config syntax, but the part about that particular doc that gets me is: |
| 19:37.23 | greenman | Note |
| 19:37.25 | greenman | This section only applies to systems which have installed an Apache HTTPD server and configured it manually. |
| 19:37.34 | greenman | ours isn't configured manually, it's default |
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| 19:37.49 | jelly | greenman: you probably added a virtualhost at the very least |
| 19:38.09 | greycat | Debian completely broke virtual hosts by requiring that all files in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ end with ".conf" just so they can drop their stupid .dpkg-whatever files in that directory and have them be ignored. |
| 19:38.24 | jelly | madprops2: that's weird. purge it and install again, then, I guess |
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| 19:39.28 | jelly | greycat: oh, I've done that since etch. Replaced the stupid default include with just include .. /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/*.conf |
| 19:39.41 | jelly | good for them, I guess! |
| 19:39.44 | madprops2 | jelly, that worked hehe, thank you |
| 19:40.56 | jelly | mostly because backup_files~ from joe ;-) |
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| 19:41.44 | greycat | jelly: well, I don't know how most people do it, but all of my virtual host files had names that were the virtual host name. Without ".conf" on the end. |
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| 19:42.45 | greycat | And besides, there is already that double-layer symlink to another directory thing, so editing should have been done in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ and any joe-droppings would have been there, not in sites-enabled/ |
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| 19:42.54 | jelly | but then you don't know they're conf files! :-) |
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| 19:49.44 | JyZyXEL | do you need to enable TearFree on Intel GFX in xorg.conf to stop the tearing in video? |
| 19:52.11 | jelly | JyZyXEL: google says archwiki says that depends on acceleration method picked by the driver... so, Try It And See? |
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| 19:53.03 | jelly | JyZyXEL: and if that works for you, report back on which debian release and wm/desktop enviroment, and which intel card you're using |
| 19:53.11 | jelly | thanks. |
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| 19:53.40 | JyZyXEL | when ever the next time comes i restart my Xorg |
| 19:54.27 | JyZyXEL | been running 4 days now without a crash *knock on wood* |
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| 20:04.38 | derekv | so, its not like packages should be using /etc/alternatives as a general rule |
| 20:04.51 | derekv | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.42 | jelly | derekv: sorry, can you provide some context for that question? |
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| 20:07.05 | derekv | jelly: sorry, just trying to piece together what to do with this. we have a locally built .deb package that is an internal fork of a open source project. |
| 20:08.15 | derekv | It's not installing, so I'm looking at the postinst script, and it seems to be trying to create a chain of symlinks around for the conf files, like /etc/foo/conf -> /etc/alternatives/conf -> /etc/foo/conf.empty |
| 20:08.27 | derekv | (that's simplified, actually) |
| 20:09.23 | jelly | derekv: is there any package in debian or your own repos that also provides /etc/foo/conf ? |
| 20:09.35 | unborn | context is really really important.. :) derekv I was trying to do my own deb files but since no proper manual out there... I just wrote the script which will install and set up the things I need it.. actually I would love to know how to deploy my own deb files.. it would be awesome! |
| 20:09.59 | jelly | dpkg, tell unborn about nmg |
| 20:10.11 | derekv | It's in our own repo. |
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| 20:10.27 | jelly | derekv: sorry. Is there any OTHER package in debian or your own repos that also provides /etc/foo/conf ? |
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| 20:11.12 | jelly | derekv: alternatives are used only when two or more different package provide same functionality |
| 20:11.14 | derekv | jelly: yes. but afaik, since we don't really change the install path, if we tried to install two such packages, they'd clobber each other anyways (or more likely fail to install) |
| 20:11.47 | unborn | meh jelly as usual :) - massive thanks, finally I can strive into my personalization |
| 20:12.35 | jelly | derekv: then just set up Conflicts: for those |
| 20:13.16 | unborn | Debian Developers' Corner should be in main menu on website meh otherwise we would not see - means we could not write.. once again thanks |
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| 20:16.44 | jelly | derekv: I'd get rid of as many indirections as possible. Which software is this? |
| 20:17.01 | derekv | jelly, local fork of apache flume |
| 20:17.32 | derekv | mostly just packaging up some in house flume plugins and slight tweaks |
| 20:18.08 | derekv | jelly: I'm thinking the same thing, just trying to sort out why it was done this way. I suspect some copy-pasting was involved. |
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| 20:22.03 | nils | Hello im haveing trouble getting any grapichs to show on my computer. here is a paste of /var/logs/Xorg.0.log paste.debian.net/305894 |
| 20:22.48 | nils | i did run gnome before but have tried to uninstall it. now i have i3 that i want to get running. |
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| 20:24.50 | Brigo | nils, line 343 of your paste. |
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| 20:28.00 | nils | Yes how do i solve that |
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| 20:28.33 | nils | i did a upgrade an thats when the grapics stoped working. |
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| 20:30.39 | Brigo | nils, kms is a kernel thing. Check Troubleshooting in this link: http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonBuildHowTo/ |
| 20:30.45 | Brigo | sorry, i have to go now. |
| 20:31.06 | nils | okey tnx i look it up |
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| 20:31.27 | asterismo | i followed this tutorial and installed diaspora,or i think i did so |
| 20:31.30 | asterismo | https://wiki.debian.org/Diaspora |
| 20:31.32 | asterismo | what is the next step? |
| 20:32.05 | asterismo | i was suggested that i would not get any help by following that |
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| 20:32.20 | asterismo | so |
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| 20:32.31 | asterismo | got nowhere else to go |
| 20:33.22 | wallbroken | is there some way to emulate a wireless card? |
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| 20:34.03 | greycat | wallbroken: randomly pull the ethernet cable out of the wall every few minutes? |
| 20:34.29 | wallbroken | ... |
| 20:34.38 | wallbroken | i need to test some in network manager |
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| 20:37.53 | tete_ | somebody wrote me but i was afk.. :/ |
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| 20:38.01 | centrx | :( |
| 20:38.06 | tete_ | did someone set up jessie on a raid 5 with md? |
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| 20:38.43 | tete_ | when i want to boot it, it fails, also installing grub2 did not work |
| 20:38.49 | tete_ | i am wondering if the layout is somehow wrong |
| 20:38.52 | greycat | You would need /boot to be on something else, right? Possibly an N-way RAID 1, where N > 2? |
| 20:39.24 | tete_ | why do i need to boot on raid1? is raid5 not working for /boot ? |
| 20:39.40 | tete_ | http://askubuntu.com/questions/40131/how-to-install-and-boot-on-a-raid-5-configuration says that it should work |
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| 20:46.32 | ctmjr | asterismo: https://diasporafoundation.org have you read this |
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| 20:47.10 | tete_ | greycat ? |
| 20:47.40 | greycat | "three random ubuntu users said it works on ubuntu"... *shrug* whatever |
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| 20:48.37 | tete_ | greycat, so i need a /boot partition on raid1 ? |
| 20:48.48 | greycat | I don't know. That's how I would do it. |
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| 20:48.59 | tete_ | what is the problem that /boot on raid 5 does not work? is this a grub problem? or a kernel problem? |
| 20:49.21 | tete_ | i know it works on raid1 - i had that on another server with raid1... but i am just wondering why its not working these days |
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| 20:49.33 | greycat | If it WORKS, then that is an amazingly advanced GRUB feature, being able to weave together the slices of the kernel image from multiple disks. |
| 20:49.53 | toli | what will you recommend to use as virtualization in my server, in which I have only ssh access and no VGA? is there anything good for testing servers in terminal ? |
| 20:49.53 | jhutchins | tete_: I have heard that the way to do it with raid 1 is to install grub on both devices, but I don't know about raid 5. I think the only way raid 5 would work would be if you were using hardware raid, so that the array presented to the OS as a disk. |
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| 20:50.27 | jhutchins | tete_: If you're using mdraid, grub doesn't have the ability to assemble the arrat or knowledge of how it's set up. |
| 20:50.31 | tete_ | ah ok... |
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| 20:50.41 | jhutchins | s/arrat/array/ |
| 20:50.41 | tete_ | so raid5 works but only with hardware raid |
| 20:50.47 | greycat | jhutchins: apparently some random ubuntu user on a forum that he dug up from 2011 said it works in ubuntu |
| 20:50.57 | jhutchins | tete_: I don't know that for certain, but I believe so. |
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| 20:51.29 | tete_ | greycat, i found a dozen of those |
| 20:51.42 | jhutchins | greycat: Actually, there are some pretty capable people running ubuntu and offering support. |
| 20:51.43 | fearnothing | hi folks, I'm new to debian, installed it because I wanted something that wouldn't overload me with guff |
| 20:51.44 | tete_ | iirc also from the official wiki of ubuntu |
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| 20:52.00 | fearnothing | but I'm finding some odd things that contradict what google is telling me I should expect |
| 20:52.01 | jhutchins | greycat: We were discussing earlier how useful the Arch documentation is. |
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| 20:52.06 | fearnothing | like, no ifconfig? |
| 20:52.18 | fearnothing | even though net-tools is on the newest version |
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| 20:52.29 | fearnothing | what's the deal? |
| 20:52.42 | greycat | fearnothing: Debian still have ifconfig, but you should consider moving to ip anyway. |
| 20:52.45 | greycat | has* |
| 20:52.57 | jhutchins | fearnothing: The deal is that ifconfig lives in /sbin/, which is not in normal users paths. Either specify the full path or run it as root. |
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| 20:53.24 | fearnothing | I see... much new syntax to learn then? |
| 20:53.34 | greycat | ip's syntax is completely different, yes. |
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| 20:53.54 | greycat | But all of this begs the question ... what are you doing with ifconfig or ip in the first place? |
| 20:54.21 | fearnothing | was just going to get it to spit out my current eth0 config |
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| 20:55.14 | fearnothing | I set a manual IP in the GUI and then tried to ssh in |
| 20:55.15 | tete_ | Warning: the /boot filesystem cannot use any softRAID level other than 1 with the stock Ubuntu bootloader. If you want to use some other RAID level for most things, you'll need to create separate partitions and make a RAID1 device for /boot. |
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| 20:55.19 | tete_ | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID |
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| 20:55.23 | fearnothing | which failed so I wanted to check the configuration |
| 20:55.27 | tete_ | its ubuntu but guess thats the same for debian too |
| 20:55.45 | greycat | fearnothing: if you're using the normal Debian setup, it's configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:56.08 | fearnothing | yeah, I just grabbed the 64 bit installer off the site today |
| 20:56.14 | greycat | fearnothing: but "GUI" scares me into thinking you might be using Network Manager instead... I know nothing about NM. |
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| 20:56.28 | fearnothing | well, I installed XFCE |
| 20:56.56 | fearnothing | and first time round I set a manual IP in the settings panel |
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| 20:58.56 | Bowel | Upgrading from squeeze to jessie is safer to do through a wheezy upgrade first? |
| 20:59.10 | greycat | it's ONLY possible to do through wheezy |
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| 20:59.32 | greycat | upgrading only works one release at a time |
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| 21:03.35 | jhutchins | fearnothing: What OS or release are you coming from? |
| 21:05.24 | fearnothing | all over the place |
| 21:05.36 | fearnothing | I've been using ubuntu server 14.10, freebsd, centos |
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| 21:06.20 | fearnothing | still using them. just decided maybe debian would be nicer and a bit more streamlined than another ubuntu box |
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| 21:06.37 | jhutchins | fearnothing: Debian will be most like Ubuntu, least like Centos. |
| 21:06.41 | fearnothing | I know |
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| 21:06.50 | jhutchins | fearnothing: Also, systemd changes almost everything. |
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| 21:07.18 | fearnothing | I am aware of that... I wasn't ever a power user or particularly conversant with mucking around with system configuration anyway |
| 21:07.27 | fearnothing | so I won't have to relearn a vast amount |
| 21:07.31 | jhutchins | fearnothing: The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 21:07.47 | jhutchins | fearnothing: It's a bit dated and RH oriented, but still good on basics. |
| 21:07.53 | fearnothing | oof, I'm sure it is, but is there anywhere where it's easier on the eye? |
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| 21:08.20 | jhutchins | fearnothing: Up to you to prettify it. |
| 21:09.35 | fearnothing | bookmarked anyway... this is just for my home lab so not a whole lot of that is going to apply here |
| 21:10.02 | fearnothing | I started on xubuntu yesterday and it was a pain in the but so I binned it |
| 21:10.13 | jhutchins | fearnothing: You never know. I started out building a home network router for dial-up internet and now I work full-time in linux. |
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| 21:10.39 | jhutchins | fearnothing: You know you can have ALL of the desktops on the same install, right? |
| 21:10.41 | fearnothing | jhutchins - maybe, but I'm a security nerd |
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| 21:11.13 | fearnothing | jhutchins - yes I had figured that part, don't really have much need for a desktop |
| 21:11.28 | greycat | then by all means don't install one |
| 21:11.33 | greycat | god, they're awful |
| 21:11.37 | fearnothing | I can't remember why I decided to spin up a machine with one :P |
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| 21:11.44 | jhutchins | fearnothing: http://www.trinityos.com/LINUX/index-linux.html |
| 21:11.44 | fearnothing | mostly I'll be puttying in |
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| 21:12.34 | fearnothing | I'll remember at some point. There was a reason I didn't just go with pure CLI |
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| 21:13.00 | fearnothing | oh yes, that was it |
| 21:13.00 | jhutchins | fearnothing: You can always get a windows X server and forward apps. |
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| 21:13.52 | fearnothing | vpn-ing in to a website to download a metric f-ton of malware |
| 21:13.58 | jhutchins | It's kinda fun to pop up a cygwin xfce session and run spreadsheets from my home system on my work desktop. |
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| 21:15.06 | fearnothing | getting to that stuff via CLI is something I didn't feel like learning |
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| 21:16.10 | fearnothing | maybe someday |
| 21:16.17 | ryouma | kernel says disabling tso. is that normal? |
| 21:16.19 | fearnothing | for now I just wanted that part to be easy :P |
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| 21:53.16 | markmat | i've got my wifi driver but don't know where to stick it..any ideas? |
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| 21:57.09 | Brigo | markmat, is usb? |
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| 21:59.30 | markmat | its' just the driver that came with the laptop |
| 21:59.52 | markmat | rtl8192cfw.bin |
| 22:01.57 | markmat | actually now that i google it i don't know if that's wifi or not |
| 22:02.06 | Brigo | markmat, i think this card should be supported by default by debian. You would need the firmware. You can download it from somewhere in internet or from non-free debian repos (not configured by default) |
| 22:02.50 | markmat | it must be wifi cause that's the only device that's out |
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| 22:02.51 | Brigo | markmat, that file is the firmware |
| 22:03.01 | markmat | oh okay |
| 22:03.12 | Marezz | Would someone be please so kind to link me where can I get Debian Squeeze from? |
| 22:03.37 | Brigo | Marezz, the installer? |
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| 22:04.06 | Brigo | markmat, just put it in /lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin |
| 22:04.07 | Marezz | Brigo, I would prefer live ISO but installer would suffice |
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| 22:04.26 | markmat | how do i ...ask google the question "how do i apply my driver in debian" |
| 22:04.30 | Marezz | Squeeze is without systemd right? |
| 22:04.53 | Brigo | Marezz, try here: https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 22:05.10 | Brigo | Marezz, yes, and wheezy, and jessie if you like. |
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| 22:06.09 | Marezz | Brigo, oh sorry I meant to say wheezy, its the latest debian release that doesnt come with systemd? |
| 22:06.26 | Brigo | Marezz, right |
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| 22:06.35 | Brigo | you can find it there too. |
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| 22:07.10 | Marezz | I only find current release |
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| 22:08.09 | Equa | Marezz: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ wheezy is 7.x |
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| 22:08.42 | octavian | is it possible to watch yt videos at more then 720p using html5? |
| 22:08.48 | Guest25774 | is it possible to watch yt videos at more then 720p using html5? |
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| 22:10.42 | Marezz | Brigo, Equa Thanks |
| 22:11.11 | Brigo | Marezz, np :) |
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| 22:14.46 | markmat | okay thanks brigo =^.^= |
| 22:14.57 | Brigo | markmat, yw :) |
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| 22:17.14 | whatevrmkay | Guest25774: if that's in Firefox, try this: |
| 22:17.17 | whatevrmkay | "enter about:config into the firefox address bar (confirm the info message in case it shows up) & search for the preference named media.mediasource.enabled, double-click it and change its value to true. " |
| 22:17.39 | whatevrmkay | (from https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1046349 (top result on Google for "youtube html5 720p" .. ) |
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| 22:28.09 | Vasistha | I'm trying to configure udev to run a script when I plug in a usb keyboard (it is on a kvm switch). However the script does not seem to be running when the keyboard is plugged in. http://paste.debian.net/306076/ |
| 22:28.22 | Vasistha | I have run udevadm control --reload-rules |
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| 22:37.06 | nodus | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.33 | nodus | some kvm's emulate a keyboard so it allways shows up as attached. |
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| 22:42.44 | cxd13 | when i install fglrx-driver in debian my login manager fails to start when i boot computer and startx doesn't work either. but without it installed it works perfectly |
| 22:42.46 | cxd13 | what would cause that? |
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| 22:44.33 | Nik05 | cxd13 did you run ati-config? |
| 22:45.29 | Nik05 | ati-config --initial will probably do the job |
| 22:46.04 | cxd13 | Nik05: yes it worked at one point but i went back to open source drive and since then haven't been able to switch back |
| 22:46.20 | Nik05 | do you have it installed now? |
| 22:46.21 | cxd13 | i would stick with open source driver but i can't adjust backlight unless it's fglrx for some reason |
| 22:46.45 | cxd13 | no right now i have firmware-linux-nonfree to get the open source one |
| 22:47.12 | Nik05 | well if we need to help with it you need to install it |
| 22:47.13 | cxd13 | but when i had it, i installed using aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-driver |
| 22:47.35 | cxd13 | the problem is i can't log in when i use it so i wouldn't be able to get here |
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| 22:48.10 | Nik05 | cxd13 you can use irssi, its a irc client that you can use in a terminal |
| 22:48.14 | cxd13 | i also did echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf |
| 22:48.18 | cxd13 | according to the debian wiki |
| 22:48.28 | Nik05 | cxd13 just use ati-config --initial |
| 22:48.44 | cxd13 | Nik05: without creating the xorg.conf files? |
| 22:49.00 | Nik05 | ati-config will create /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 22:49.20 | cxd13 | ok |
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| 22:49.35 | Nik05 | also make sure dkms compiles fglrx for your kernel |
| 22:49.37 | cxd13 | so the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf isn't neccessary |
| 22:49.44 | Nik05 | no |
| 22:50.01 | Nik05 | if you install fglrx-driver now, we make sure everything is correct before you reboot |
| 22:50.40 | cxd13 | Nik05: to make sure it compiles it for my kernel wouldn't the first command i pasted do it? |
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| 22:51.23 | cxd13 | ok i can try it now |
| 22:52.12 | Nik05 | cxd13 well just to check if it actually did it |
| 22:52.44 | Nik05 | cxd13 just install with aptitude install fglrx-driver |
| 22:52.53 | Vasistha | nodus: thanks - I managed to get past that stumbling block; I think I also needed to invoke-rc.d udev restart |
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| 22:53.13 | Vasistha | now I'm having trouble getting the script running properly, and figuring out where to put this sleep statement... |
| 22:53.31 | cxd13 | ok |
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| 22:54.58 | cxd13 | looks like it's getting kernel headers and other stuff |
| 22:55.09 | Nik05 | oke |
| 22:55.11 | cxd13 | gcc |
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| 22:58.03 | Nik05 | cxd13 finished? |
| 22:58.19 | cxd13 | yes |
| 22:58.26 | Nik05 | what does dkms status say? |
| 22:58.30 | Nik05 | 'dkms status' |
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| 22:59.36 | cxd13 | a message popped up that said to run sudo aticonfig --initial |
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| 22:59.46 | Nik05 | yes ;) |
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| 23:01.15 | Nik05 | cxd13 but what does 'dkms status' say? |
| 23:01.35 | cxd13 | fglrx, 14.9+ga14.201 added |
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| 23:02.38 | Netsca | Hows debian testing after bthe freeze? |
| 23:02.45 | Netsca | *the* |
| 23:02.57 | Nik05 | Netsca there is a libstdc++ transition going on |
| 23:03.09 | Nik05 | cxd13 nothing more? |
| 23:03.36 | Netsca | I mean like if you were on testing after jessie was realeased i've heard of a flood of packages |
| 23:03.40 | cxd13 | Nik05: no that's all. i did sudo dkms status |
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| 23:04.05 | Nik05 | cxd13 let me check, i think it should say smoething that its installed and not added |
| 23:04.32 | Netsca | cxd13 does cxd mean anything? |
| 23:04.37 | cxd13 | Nik05: thanks |
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| 23:05.04 | cxd13 | Netsca: initials |
| 23:05.11 | Netsca | Oh |
| 23:05.24 | Nik05 | nvidia, 180.37, 2.6.27-11-generic, x86_64: installed |
| 23:05.25 | cxd13 | what is netsca? |
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| 23:05.40 | Nik05 | thats what i read on some page about nvidia. So something did go wrong there |
| 23:05.55 | cxd13 | Nik05: i didn't run the aticonfig maybe that's why? |
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| 23:06.14 | Nik05 | cxd13 what kernel are you using and do you have those headers installed? |
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| 23:06.28 | Nik05 | cxd13 no that doesnt matter |
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| 23:06.55 | cxd13 | 3.16, it just installed the headers when i chose to install fglrx-driver |
| 23:07.16 | Nik05 | cxd13 can you give me the output of uname -r? |
| 23:07.58 | p8m | dovecot and opensmptd are both logging to mail.log. How can I make dovecot messages go to a separate file? |
| 23:08.12 | Nik05 | wait dont even need that i think |
| 23:08.21 | cxd13 | ok |
| 23:08.25 | Nik05 | dkms install fglrx/14.9+ga14.201 <-- can you try this cxd13 |
| 23:09.44 | cxd13 | Nik05: Error! says my kernel headers for kernel can't be found. let me install the package it is telling me to |
| 23:09.50 | Nik05 | ;) |
| 23:10.07 | cxd13 | lol |
| 23:10.29 | Nik05 | after installing headers check 'dkms status' it will probably be already installed |
| 23:10.47 | Nik05 | but its strange, what kernel are you running? output of uname -r |
| 23:11.54 | cxd13 | now dkms status says installed :) |
| 23:12.00 | Nik05 | oke |
| 23:12.13 | Nik05 | so now check /etc/X11/xorg.conf, is there anyhting useful in there? |
| 23:12.26 | Nik05 | otherwise just overwrite it with ati-config --intial |
| 23:12.47 | Nik05 | it also makes a backup of the old one. And remove the xorg.conf.d/fglrx you added |
| 23:12.53 | cxd13 | xorg.conf doesn't exist |
| 23:12.57 | Nik05 | oke good |
| 23:13.04 | Nik05 | then just use ati-config --initial |
| 23:13.58 | Nik05 | but cxd13 which kernel are you running? |
| 23:13.59 | cxd13 | ok thanks |
| 23:14.10 | cxd13 | letme check |
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| 23:15.18 | cxd13 | brb sorry |
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| 23:19.17 | Nik05 | cxd13 its not that hard to type 'uname -r' then click with your mouse before it then move behind it and let go of the mouse button. Then go to the chat window with the mouse pointer and click on the middle mouse button and press on the return key also known as enter |
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| 23:23.16 | cxd13 | 3.16.0-4-586 |
| 23:24.48 | n0t | You have -3 vouches... thats a different story Keanu. Satdav maybe you can interact w/more people? Chat about why you want a shell and show your interest. |
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| 23:25.15 | n0t | I need to stop making windows stick in IRSSI. I'm terrible at this. Mis tell. Sorry :( |
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| 23:26.21 | cxd13 | thanks so much Nik05 |
| 23:26.29 | Nik05 | no problem |
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| 23:47.06 | mo1991reg | is 2048 rsa the proper encryption for ssl certification? Need to make my own cert. Or is 4096 what is being used now days? |
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| 23:47.31 | mo1991reg | does anyone know what the default encryption is for debian ssl certification creationl; |
| 23:47.32 | mo1991reg | ? |
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| 23:51.04 | markybob | mo1991reg, i use 2048. |
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| 23:53.16 | n0t | NIST says that 2048 RSA is safe to use till 2030 so I think you're good :) |
| 23:53.16 | aZz7eCh | is ZPanelCP not debian friendly? |
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| 23:59.13 | jmcnaught | aZz7eCh: maybe not? as far as i know there isn't a single web control panel in Debian. If you don't need to provide a panel to customers, I would avoid them altogether. |
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