| 00:00.19 | jelly | JohnDoe1972: which debian release are you using? |
| 00:00.20 | JohnDoe1972 | guys while i have you here who can i report admin too ? |
| 00:00.32 | JohnDoe1972 | :/ im using #ubuntu |
| 00:00.40 | JohnDoe1972 | well |
| 00:00.45 | pugfantus | report admin? |
| 00:01.05 | JohnDoe1972 | im trying linux for first time but find admin in #ubuntu to be 'difficult to deal with' |
| 00:01.07 | jelly | JohnDoe1972: ubuntu's user interface is different from Gnome that's in Debian. Ask in #ubuntu or ##linux channel |
| 00:01.20 | JohnDoe1972 | im banned from #ubuntu |
| 00:01.34 | jelly | lol, what did you do |
| 00:01.53 | JohnDoe1972 | i told a guy to never tell me how to behave |
| 00:01.59 | pugfantus | there's no one to report Ops to |
| 00:02.00 | jelly | you can try ##linux in any case. Debian doesn't even have Unity |
| 00:02.01 | incal | pugfantus: indeed, with the pip3 way I got 0.2.5 as well and now it works. thx a lot |
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| 00:02.19 | pugfantus | incal: hey, no problem! glad you got it working! |
| 00:02.37 | JohnDoe1972 | do wh have a post link pastebin link ? |
| 00:02.47 | jelly | JohnDoe1972: Unity being the UI "shell" in Ubuntu |
| 00:02.53 | JohnDoe1972 | ahh ok |
| 00:03.02 | JohnDoe1972 | whats addr of pastebin |
| 00:05.04 | JohnDoe1972 | http://pastebin.com/5Dqms9Jp |
| 00:05.13 | JohnDoe1972 | thats a copy of the chat |
| 00:05.21 | JohnDoe1972 | guys a douche |
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| 00:09.02 | nick[0] | pugfantus: 'Canonical Kernel Team'? Does this mean Debian uses Ubuntu's kernel, or that certain patches are cherry-picked? |
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| 00:09.42 | JohnDoe1972 | jelly i thought unity was a games engine ? |
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| 00:16.31 | nick[0] | pugfantus: I didn't think this would happen before April 2016 |
| 00:16.33 | nick[0] | https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2014/11/msg00154.html |
| 00:16.37 | jelly | JohnDoe1972: sorry? |
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| 00:21.44 | mojtaba | I have a laptop with a dedicated grpahics card but not sure how to tell debian to use that only |
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| 00:22.18 | jelly | JohnDoe1972: in any case, we can't help you here with ubuntu issues. Ask in ##linux or abide to #ubuntu's rules and follow what the volunteer helpers ask you to. |
| 00:22.35 | smeg | any good GPU benchmarks |
| 00:22.38 | smeg | for linux? |
| 00:22.41 | jelly | !ckt |
| 00:22.42 | dpkg | The Linux kernel in Debian 8 "Jessie" comes with the version string "ckt" as these receive long term support as a collaboration between the Debian and Ubuntu kernel maintainers: the Canonical Kernel Team. https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2014/11/msg00154.html |
| 00:22.55 | smeg | quick and easy install |
| 00:23.51 | JohnDoe1972 | hey jelly, the volunteers are discriminating against me. im going to forget about #ubunta all together i think |
| 00:24.03 | jelly | nick[0]: 3.16 was not a longterm kernel so it's maintained by ckt and debian kernel team now |
| 00:24.05 | JohnDoe1972 | ther seem like self important types |
| 00:24.22 | JohnDoe1972 | so im never going to get along with them |
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| 00:24.35 | jelly | JohnDoe1972: please keep this channel for tech support of Debian, not discussion of someone else's policies. |
| 00:24.47 | JohnDoe1972 | fine |
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| 00:50.43 | necs | Hello |
| 00:51.15 | Justin417 | Hello |
| 00:51.22 | necs | Whats a better supported graphics card? nvidia geforce 210 or ati 5450? |
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| 00:56.20 | hellyeah | no package ntfsfix on debian |
| 00:56.21 | hellyeah | ? |
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| 00:58.49 | allizom | ntfs-3g includes that |
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| 01:30.55 | future28 | Hey, in gnome3, my custom keyboard commands have stopped working as well as my sound/brightness keys etc. What can I do to diagnose the problem? |
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| 02:05.50 | centurion18 | hi people |
| 02:05.56 | centurion18 | i need help with zoneminder |
| 02:06.11 | centurion18 | i had debian 7 with zoneminder CCTV cameras working all good |
| 02:06.23 | centurion18 | access to cameras on the browser |
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| 02:06.36 | centurion18 | and distupgraded debian to jessie and ZM stopped working |
| 02:06.44 | centurion18 | and it has no more web interface |
| 02:06.47 | centurion18 | any ideas? |
| 02:07.36 | centrx | jessie does not seem to have zoneminder |
| 02:07.41 | rock_theory | firewall? |
| 02:07.43 | centrx | You could try source-backporting the version from testing/unstable |
| 02:07.52 | centrx | dpkg, tell centurion18 about ssb |
| 02:08.42 | centurion18 | woot? |
| 02:08.59 | centurion18 | mmm |
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| 02:09.13 | centurion18 | but is zoneminder a debian 7 package? |
| 02:09.20 | arahael | centurion18: apt didn't warn you about removing packages, surely? |
| 02:09.23 | centrx | It is in Debian 7 yes |
| 02:09.33 | centrx | That version may still work in 8/jessie |
| 02:09.35 | centrx | but apparently not |
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| 02:14.18 | pugfantus | If you are a Debian user, Zoneminder is available in the "unstable" distribution. |
| 02:14.30 | pugfantus | from their website |
| 02:16.19 | abrotman | that doesn't quite work |
| 02:16.43 | pugfantus | heh |
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| 02:19.01 | centurion18 | and why ZM is not available anymore in debian stable? and it is available in the previous and next version? isn't that annoying? lol |
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| 02:23.11 | civillian | for luks + lvm + raid, what is the correct stack order for those components? would it be best to have the cryptdevice as the first layer? or does it not matter? |
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| 02:25.58 | centurion18 | apt-cache search cctv throws nothing on CCTVs |
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| 02:26.31 | centurion18 | so, i have to add debian backports and sid sources line both on my sources? |
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| 02:29.50 | pugfantus | centurion18 : do you know anything about pinning? |
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| 02:29.58 | abrotman | please don't |
| 02:30.08 | abrotman | either backport it properly, or find another tool |
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| 02:31.47 | centurion18 | abrotman: lol |
| 02:31.56 | centurion18 | pugfantus: yeah, i read a bit |
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| 02:32.08 | centurion18 | but it's too late now |
| 02:32.26 | centurion18 | even if i could compile ZM now |
| 02:32.39 | centurion18 | after dist-upgrade i hit autoremove --purge |
| 02:32.44 | centurion18 | so i lost all my conf |
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| 02:33.51 | pugfantus | lame |
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| 02:34.19 | centurion18 | debian 8 now have nothing for cctvs |
| 02:34.22 | centurion18 | a big miss |
| 02:35.06 | abrotman | you can still backport it ... |
| 02:35.12 | pugfantus | http://terminal28.com/how-to-install-and-configure-zoneminder-linux-cctv-debian-8-jessie/ |
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| 02:37.54 | centurion18 | how do i search if ZM is or not available in backports? |
| 02:38.05 | centrx | centurion18, packages.debian.org/zoneminder |
| 02:38.28 | centrx | centurion18, You would have to make the backport yourself, see what dpkg sent you about ssb |
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| 02:41.21 | pugfantus | The terminal28 link has instructions on building the packages off of the git master branch |
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| 02:42.14 | somiaj | centurion18: if you have jessie-backport sources in your sources.list apt-cache show packagename shows you all versions available |
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| 02:44.45 | asterismo | now |
| 02:44.57 | asterismo | centurion18 is my works nick |
| 02:45.16 | asterismo | somiaj: thanks |
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| 02:50.36 | asterismo | somiaj: can i add testing repos? |
| 02:51.09 | asterismo | on jessie? |
| 02:51.55 | somiaj | asterismo: only if you want to break your system |
| 02:51.59 | somiaj | !frankendebian |
| 02:52.00 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 02:52.07 | abrotman | why isnt' ssb good enough? |
| 02:52.31 | somiaj | asterismo: you can make your own backport. Some software is fairly striaght forward (other large projects requires a bit more work) |
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| 02:58.57 | asterismo | is this a typo in the bot? "...in sid see <uupdate>" |
| 02:59.01 | asterismo | uu |
| 02:59.13 | cafuego | uupdate? |
| 02:59.20 | cafuego | !uupdate |
| 02:59.20 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>. |
| 02:59.25 | cafuego | No, it's not a typo. |
| 02:59.59 | abrotman | The bot doesn't make typos ... |
| 03:00.14 | dvs | heh |
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| 03:02.30 | asterismo_zm | hi |
| 03:02.39 | asterismo_zm | !dpkg ssb |
| 03:02.40 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 03:07.16 | asterismo_zm | !dpkg deb-src sid |
| 03:07.16 | dpkg | You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list. |
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| 03:11.30 | mbt829 | anyone know why thunar might not be recognizing and mounting my sdcard (xfce) |
| 03:11.56 | somiaj | mbt829: after you plug it in check dmesg, does your kernel ever see the card and assign it a /dev/sdX device? |
| 03:12.52 | mbt829 | to check the end of dmesg is it dmseg | tail ? |
| 03:13.14 | somiaj | that is one way, I just type dmesg and let it spew out all the info |
| 03:13.37 | somiaj | but right after you plug it in you should see some messages about the kernel notcining it and then assigin it a sdX device |
| 03:15.10 | mbt829 | i checked dmesg and just noticed a bunch of these messages. shoudl i be concerend? CPU0: Package temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 121203) |
| 03:15.43 | somiaj | mbt829: yea I wouldn't be concerend if my CPU aws telling me it's temperture was above threshold |
| 03:15.45 | mbt829 | i'm transferring large files from my laptop to an external usb drive and it's using 100% cpu |
| 03:15.53 | mbt829 | is that normal? |
| 03:15.57 | somiaj | though it could be a problem with the threshhold and not the actual drive |
| 03:16.08 | somiaj | I've never had my cpu tell me that, but I dont have experience with lots of hardware |
| 03:16.16 | mbt829 | hmm ok |
| 03:16.39 | somiaj | not sure why it is using 100% cpu for that, I know copying can really bottle neck your I/O so the machine may seem slughish, but using that much cpu seems odd to me. |
| 03:17.15 | mbt829 | 98% now. ya it does seem a bit high |
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| 03:17.27 | mbt829 | the machine does seem slugish but i can still use it obviously |
| 03:17.32 | rock_theory | damnit. |
| 03:17.59 | somiaj | yea I/O can make loading new programs into memory and running commands sluggish, but I can't recally copying ever making my cpu spike, check top to see what is actually using the cpu |
| 03:18.02 | squisher | mbt829, laptop, or desktop? |
| 03:18.23 | squisher | usually when the hw throttles the cpu it gets relatively slow for a little bit so that it actually has a chance to cool off |
| 03:18.43 | rock_theory | on laptop I install debian wheezy, xorg, xfce4, nvidia-legacy. works "fine" but doesn't have the proper resolution for the screen. I dist-upgrade to Jessie, and x won't start (NO SCREEN FOUND). Wtf? |
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| 03:19.03 | mbt829 | top says mount.ntfs and kworker are taking most CPU, about 30% each |
| 03:19.11 | mbt829 | i'm assuming kworker is what is handling the transfer |
| 03:19.22 | somiaj | rock_theory: what nvidia card. There was a nvidia-legacy package that was droped since nvidia no longer supports some of its older cards and it is incompadable with the xrog on jessie. |
| 03:19.23 | squisher | rock_theory, do you still have a working nvidia module? |
| 03:19.58 | somiaj | rock_theory: or better yet do you recall which legacy version you had to use for your card. |
| 03:20.04 | rock_theory | nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver |
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| 03:20.40 | mbt829 | somiaj, anyways, here's dmesg relevant part https://paste.debian.net/258435/ |
| 03:20.44 | mbt829 | it does seem to detect it |
| 03:20.45 | future28 | Hi, can someone tell me what package controls the keybord shortcuts? |
| 03:20.49 | squisher | mbt829, I'd try to clean the cpu fan, if it's a desktop possibly reapply thermal paste, if a laptop maybe get a cooling pad for it |
| 03:21.01 | squisher | mbt829, and do you have thunar-volman installed? |
| 03:21.10 | mbt829 | squisher, ok thanks. it's a laptop. yes i have thunar-volman installed |
| 03:21.15 | somiaj | I think that one is still supported rock_theory, I was just checking. Okay check that the module is actually loaded 'lsmod | grep nvidia' or check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what exctally failed |
| 03:22.05 | somiaj | mbt829: that is all, I see it detected the device, but I don't see it ever assigning it a sdX device node which means it won't be mounted. |
| 03:22.32 | asterismo_zm | !dpkg deb-src sid |
| 03:22.33 | dpkg | You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list. |
| 03:22.42 | rock_theory | somiaj: http://dpaste.com/092GZDJ |
| 03:22.47 | asterismo_zm | !dpkg ssb |
| 03:22.48 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 03:22.50 | somiaj | mbt829: i.e. I would expcte a few more lines after what you pasted. It could be the SD card is damaged and it isn't detecting the partition table |
| 03:22.58 | somiaj | asterismo_zm: please /msg dpkg factiod, don't need to spam the channel |
| 03:23.09 | asterismo_zm | ok sorry |
| 03:23.27 | somiaj | rock_theory: if you are going to share the Xorg.0.log file share the whole thing, or look though it yourself to see if you can find the actual error. |
| 03:23.35 | mbt829 | somiaj, yes you're right there are more lines i will paste |
| 03:23.40 | rock_theory | somiaj: Okay. |
| 03:23.41 | somiaj | rock_theory: i.e. the info may be anywhere in there, don't assume I want just the last few lines |
| 03:23.56 | mbt829 | https://paste.debian.net/258436/ |
| 03:23.58 | mbt829 | firmware failure? |
| 03:24.45 | rock_theory | somiaj: Didn't realize, sorry. Never used it before. Not pro with linux, fairly new. |
| 03:24.47 | mbt829 | there are more lines after that but they basically say the same thing |
| 03:25.11 | somiaj | mbt829: seems like that device requires some firmware in firmware-linux-nonfree to function properly. |
| 03:25.21 | squisher | mbt829, apt-file says you need firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 03:25.30 | somiaj | rock_theory: no problem, but see if you can figure out the issue by reading the log file. (: |
| 03:25.57 | mbt829 | squisher, somiaj thanks, i guess i'll install firmware-linux-nonfree if i must |
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| 03:26.09 | mbt829 | squisher, how did you find out i needed to install that? |
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| 03:26.37 | squisher | rock_theory, there's a nice program called 'pastebinit' that you can use to just paste the whole file without having to go through the terminal: 'cat Xorg.0.log | pasebinit' after you install it |
| 03:26.40 | somiaj | mbt829: looked up the file it said was missing and found out which package had it |
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| 03:26.55 | squisher | mbt829, apt-file will do that on the cmdline, or you can use packages.debian.org |
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| 03:27.29 | mbt829 | cool |
| 03:27.41 | mbt829 | you mean you looked up sd_init1.bin |
| 03:27.46 | rock_theory | squisher: awesome, thanks. |
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| 03:28.58 | rock_theory | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/258447/ |
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| 03:32.12 | rock_theory | somiaj: potentially because xorg.conf didn't configure properly. Trying an edit. |
| 03:32.38 | squisher | you only need a very minimal xorg.conf these days |
| 03:33.07 | rock_theory | Didn't work anyway.. |
| 03:33.52 | squisher | rock_theory, that's mine: http://paste.debian.net/258503/ you can ignore the metamode and twinview stuff unless you have a dual screen setup |
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| 03:36.00 | rock_theory | squisher: hmm |
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| 03:36.10 | rock_theory | do I need section "screen"? |
| 03:36.35 | squisher | considering that it only has the twinview stuff, no ;-) |
| 03:37.07 | rock_theory | Oh wow, this looks like it may have worked! |
| 03:37.18 | rock_theory | (slow machine, display takes a while for some reason) |
| 03:37.21 | rock_theory | Yep! |
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| 03:37.41 | rock_theory | Thanks a bunch! New life in an old (thought to be broken) machine! |
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| 03:39.48 | rock_theory | Though it is strange imo that it worked in wheezy then needs xorg in jessie. Oh well, things change! |
| 03:40.00 | rock_theory | err, xorg.conf |
| 03:40.18 | rock_theory | Okay, goodnight, thanks again squisher and somiaj. |
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| 04:07.36 | sroland | hi |
| 04:07.38 | sroland | well |
| 04:07.56 | sroland | i followed the ssb tutorial, added the backport and the sid src |
| 04:08.27 | sroland | and tried to compile zoneminder, but it throws me this 1-liner: Build command 'cd zoneminder-1.28.1 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed. |
| 04:08.53 | sroland | oops, got it |
| 04:08.56 | sroland | missing deps |
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| 04:33.05 | sroland | hi |
| 04:33.13 | sroland | zoneminder |
| 04:33.13 | sroland | http://paste.debian.net/258629/ |
| 04:33.17 | sroland | i get this |
| 04:33.20 | sroland | any suggestions? |
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| 04:35.05 | sroland | somiaj: abrotman |
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| 04:40.53 | jak2000 | hi all ubuntu question: http://pastie.org/10255877 why cant doa n apt-get update ? please try help, in ubuntu channles not answer.. thanks |
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| 04:40.57 | asterismo | i'm trying to compile zoneminder by adding the sid source |
| 04:41.59 | jak2000 | asterismo any advice? |
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| 04:43.14 | asterismo | jak2000: it gives me this error: http://paste.debian.net/258629/ |
| 04:43.34 | somiaj | jak2000: we don't support ubuntu here, please use their support. |
| 04:43.59 | asterismo | jak2000: you should ask in a ubutnu channel, if nobody answers, just wait a little bit longer |
| 04:44.10 | jak2000 | i have 3 days |
| 04:44.13 | jak2000 | but its ok |
| 04:44.16 | jak2000 | thanks |
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| 04:44.19 | asterismo | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/258629/ |
| 04:44.21 | somiaj | if apt-get update is not working either bad sources (not debian's sources) or something is wrong with your non debian system. |
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| 04:44.36 | somiaj | asterismo: yea I saw it, I don't see any obvious error and not intersted in debugging it. |
| 04:44.37 | asterismo | too late he left |
| 04:44.52 | asterismo | just for checking |
| 04:45.01 | asterismo | should i go -d to force? |
| 04:45.14 | asterismo | (Use -d flag to override |
| 04:45.30 | SirLagz | asterismo: why compile it ? why not just install it? Just curious... |
| 04:45.33 | somiaj | no look at line 19, sounds like you forgot to get all the build depends. If you can't statisfy the build depends on jessie you'll have to start back porting any of the build depends you are missing |
| 04:45.40 | somiaj | SirLagz: he doesn't want the version in jessie |
| 04:46.23 | SirLagz | ah derp. mis-read |
| 04:46.39 | asterismo | SirLagz: somiaj there is no version of that package in jessie, and compiling it is the toturial on !dpkg ssb.... as i've been told to |
| 04:47.00 | asterismo | i dont have any other choice |
| 04:47.16 | asterismo | because there is little CCTV support in debian as it seems |
| 04:47.24 | SirLagz | I use Motion for my IP CAms |
| 04:47.28 | asterismo | it was fine in debian 7 |
| 04:47.39 | asterismo | but after dist-upgrading i lost everything |
| 04:47.49 | SirLagz | asterismo: are these IP cameras or actual PAL/NTSC cameras? |
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| 04:47.57 | asterismo | this are CCTV cams over a capture card |
| 04:48.02 | asterismo | no IP cams |
| 04:48.12 | asterismo | PAL/NTSC yeah |
| 04:49.09 | SirLagz | asterismo: You could probably use Motion for that |
| 04:49.28 | SirLagz | asterismo: Motion has support for video capture cards |
| 04:50.13 | asterismo | well, it compiled but i see no deb packages |
| 04:50.13 | asterismo | http://paste.debian.net/258761/ |
| 04:51.06 | SirLagz | asterismo: well you downloaded the source of Zoneminder...you won't have any Deb packages because you haven't compiled it yet |
| 04:51.19 | SirLagz | asterismo: and even then, you won't get Deb packages because you're compiling from source! |
| 04:52.25 | asterismo | SirLagz: but how i'm suppose to install then? |
| 04:52.35 | SirLagz | asterismo: do you know how to compile things from source? |
| 04:53.04 | somiaj | SirLagz: he is use debian packages to build the .deb, he should get a .deb from apt-get -b source |
| 04:53.36 | somiaj | the problem is he is missing some build depends. Maybe he didn't run apt-get build-dep packagename, maybe he needs to backport some libaries to build the software he wants |
| 04:53.42 | SirLagz | ah. I must have misread his command again lol |
| 04:53.44 | asterismo | i usualy use makefile and make, sudo make install... but not apt-build thingie |
| 04:53.48 | SirLagz | I'll go away now |
| 04:54.34 | SirLagz | thought he was only downloading the source. nevermind me |
| 04:55.22 | mactimes | asterismo Check the extracted tarball for README, INSTALL or anything like that. It should contain information regarding system/packages requirements AND installation instructions. |
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| 04:56.11 | asterismo | somiaj: i did |
| 04:56.28 | asterismo | mactimes: thanks i'll check, but i was expecting a *.deb magic there |
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| 04:57.14 | mactimes | asterismo I'm sorry to inform you, but the magician just called me canceling your event... |
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| 04:57.53 | mactimes | asterismo Zoneminder does not provide a .deb package on their official page. Only a tarball, which means YOU have to download it, compile, install, configure by yourself. |
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| 04:58.16 | mactimes | asterismo Trust me. I have recently installed Zoneminder for a customer under Jessie. |
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| 04:59.30 | Lewoco | How do I control whether my machine boots up to a text-mode console login or an X session login? |
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| 05:03.20 | somiaj | Lewoco: various ways. You can remove any display managers, disable the displahy manager sercives or best yet control the file /etc/X11/defalt-display-manager, use false for no display manager or put the name of the dm you use |
| 05:03.24 | somiaj | !nodm |
| 05:03.24 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
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| 05:06.46 | Guest97436 | Hello. Is it possible to updade the kernel from synaptic? |
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| 05:07.28 | somiaj | Guest97436: what version of debian. |
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| 05:08.10 | mutante | i want to check if, for a fairly long list of package names, they are in available in certain distros (jessie, trusty, precise..) from a bash script. do i scrape Debian and Ubuntu packages sites? |
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| 05:08.17 | Guest97436 | jessie |
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| 05:09.10 | nami | hey. is /tmp not tmpfs anymore on Jessie? |
| 05:09.29 | somiaj | Guest97436: jessie will get new kernels via jessie-backports and if you have the jessie-backports in your sources you can upgrade your kernel via synamptic. But right now there isn't a nwer kernel |
| 05:11.01 | Guest97436 | somiaj: but linux archives says 4.1 is the stable version. I Have 3.16 |
| 05:11.18 | somiaj | Guest97436: it takes a while for the kernels to make it inot jessie backports |
| 05:11.28 | somiaj | debian stable is a frozen system the 3.16 kernel is fully upto date and secure |
| 05:11.34 | Guest97436 | ah. ok. |
| 05:11.37 | Guest97436 | thanks. |
| 05:11.53 | somiaj | you are welcome to compile your own kernel but I would just wait personally |
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| 05:12.54 | Guest97436 | how long does debian usually take to push the newer kernel? |
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| 05:13.54 | somiaj | Guest97436: they have to go though the standard sid -> testing. After they sit in testing for a bit they are usually made into backports |
| 05:14.10 | somiaj | the debian time line is always when it is ready, if you don't want to wait you can make your own kernel |
| 05:14.23 | Guest97436 | ok. got it. thanks. |
| 05:14.25 | somiaj | most likely if all your hardware is curretly supported under the 3.16 kernel you won't notice much difference with the 3.1 |
| 05:14.32 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 05:14.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 4.0.0-2-686-pae (4.0.5-1); stretch: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u2) |
| 05:15.00 | somiaj | Guest97436: I'm surprised the kernel has been in sid for as long as it has, there is something holding it back. But I think 4.0 or even 4.1 will hit backports sometime. |
| 05:15.38 | Guest97436 | i didn't realize they update the kernels in old debian versions first. |
| 05:16.06 | Lewoco | somiaj, I vaguely remember a command-line program that allowed administrators to set the system-wide default mail client, web browser, text editor etc. Does that still exist? |
| 05:16.39 | somiaj | Lewoco: default is very vague and so that depends |
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| 05:16.44 | asterismo | somiaj: can i install zoneminder from unstable in jessie? and just zoneminder? |
| 05:16.52 | asterismo | and only* zoneminder |
| 05:16.56 | somiaj | Lewoco: debian includes an 'alternative' system, so things that use that you can set the defaults though the alternatives |
| 05:17.06 | somiaj | Lewoco: but desktops may have their own way of setting the default too. |
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| 05:17.50 | somiaj | asterismo: I woudln't it is a good way to break your system. You need to compile it |
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| 05:18.09 | somiaj | asterismo: if you don't want to make a package, just compile it from the upstream source and put it in /usr/local or /opt as suggested above |
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| 05:18.43 | SirLagz | asterismo: or use a different piece of software |
| 05:19.21 | mactimes | Lewoco 'update-alternatives --all' might be what you're looking for... |
| 05:19.44 | Lewoco | somiaj, mactimes: Yeah update-alternatives is what I was thinking about thanks. |
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| 05:20.03 | mactimes | Lewoco Here. Grab your cookie. :D |
| 05:20.20 | asterismo | SirLagz: what other soft? |
| 05:20.23 | asterismo | motion? |
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| 05:23.11 | asterismo | well, i would compile it but it does not work: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: cakephp (>= 2.6.3) |
| 05:24.10 | somiaj | asterismo: as I told you a while ago, if you can't meed the build dependencies, you will have to also make backports of those |
| 05:24.15 | somiaj | ,v cakephp |
| 05:24.16 | judd | Package: cakephp on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.3.2-1.1; wheezy: 1.3.15-1; jessie: 1.3.15-2; sid: 2.6.4-1; stretch: 2.6.4-1 |
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| 05:24.33 | somiaj | sounds like you even know what package to backport. |
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| 05:26.33 | asterismo | somiaj: ok, well... nobody mentioned that |
| 05:26.34 | asterismo | thanks |
| 05:26.43 | somiaj | asterismo: I did when I saw the error, (: |
| 05:27.00 | somiaj | asterismo: or you could look at the source and figure out why that build dependency is there and if it is needed... |
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| 05:28.18 | asterismo | somiaj: maybe i missed your comment, sorry |
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| 05:30.13 | asterismo | somiaj: are this sources all right? |
| 05:30.14 | asterismo | http://paste.debian.net/258797/ |
| 05:30.30 | asterismo | i added those for the apt-build thing |
| 05:30.38 | somiaj | looks fine |
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| 05:31.13 | asterismo | because i'm triyng to build cakephp and throws me this |
| 05:31.13 | asterismo | http://paste.debian.net/258798/ |
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| 05:31.23 | asterismo | i looks like a major dependency issue |
| 05:32.35 | asterismo | this is evil |
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| 05:39.26 | somiaj | ,v php5-common |
| 05:39.27 | judd | Package: php5-common on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3.1-7+squeeze26; wheezy: 5.4.36-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.4.41-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.41-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.6.7+dfsg-1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.9+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.9+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.9+dfsg-1; stretch: 5.6.9+dfsg-1 |
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| 05:40.16 | somiaj | ,v libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 05:40.17 | judd | Package: libapache2-mod-php5 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3.1-7+squeeze26; wheezy: 5.4.36-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.4.41-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.41-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.6.7+dfsg-1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.9+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.9+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.9+dfsg-1; stretch: 5.6.9+dfsg-1 |
| 05:40.38 | mutante | i want that search above in my local script |
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| 05:41.03 | asterismo | somiaj: i realized i have those packages installed from the previous version |
| 05:41.08 | asterismo | i'm uninstalling them |
| 05:41.09 | somiaj | seems fairly easy to track down, the libapache2-mod-php5 is comming from jessie, but it is conflicting with packages from jessie-security. Make sure you are fully upgraded to the recent packages in jessie security |
| 05:41.16 | somiaj | I would just install the ones form security |
| 05:41.30 | itry | Hello! Are there any logs one should check periodically if everything is running smoothly on a Debian 8 server? |
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| 05:42.46 | somiaj | itry: just poke around /var/log and see what you find important. auth.log will contain info about people trying to gain authization which happens if you have someone with a bot trying to crack your passwords. |
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| 05:43.15 | somiaj | daemon.log is nice for various daemons to see if they are spouting any warnings or errors, and so forth. |
| 05:44.00 | itry | somiaj: yeah, auth.log is full of bots trying to get in |
| 05:44.10 | mutante | itry: check you are not running out of disk because logfiles are growing and growing without ever being rotated |
| 05:44.10 | nami | hey. anyone know if /tmp is tmpfs on debian jessie by default? |
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| 05:44.59 | itry | somiaj: at least that's how i interpret al those "session opened" / "session closed" lines. |
| 05:45.24 | itry | mutante: yes, i would expect that to catch my attention in the output of "df -h" |
| 05:47.20 | somiaj | itry: usually it is sshd reporting an authization. You can install various software like fail2ban or denyhosts that will just put a block on any ips that fail a certain number of times in a short period. |
| 05:47.44 | asterismo | fail2ban |
| 05:47.47 | itry | oh, the "session opened" and "session closed" lines seem to be written by cron |
| 05:47.54 | itry | why is cron writing to auth.log? |
| 05:47.56 | somiaj | nami: I think this can be easily set up in /etc/default/tmpfs |
| 05:48.10 | itry | somiaj: yes, i often install fail2ban on servers. |
| 05:48.32 | somiaj | nami: it could also now be something with how systemd deals with mounting things, I haven't looked into it as I prefer to not have tmpfs at /tmp (some things tend to store large files there, namely flash videos) |
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| 05:49.10 | nami | somiaj: RAMTMP=yes is not working here |
| 05:49.21 | nami | but that seems to answer my question: it's not default |
| 05:50.05 | somiaj | nami: I'll check my vm, but I don't know since my isntalls are much older than jessie if it is default. (: |
| 05:50.24 | nami | i think it was default before. but maybe with systemd is not anymore |
| 05:50.59 | somiaj | yea systend uses unit files, sure it can eaisly be configured |
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| 05:52.06 | somiaj | I see lots of systemd tmpfs mounts on my vm jessie install, but I also see that RAMTMP defaults to no, have you tried to set that to yes? |
| 05:52.19 | nami | yeah, it's not working here |
| 05:52.25 | nami | what about /tmp ? |
| 05:52.27 | somiaj | yea could be systemd deals with tmpfs differently, check the unit file, one second |
| 05:52.34 | somiaj | no tmp isn't one |
| 05:52.39 | somiaj | so defaults to no on my vm |
| 05:53.04 | mutante | ?v fonts-takao-gothic |
| 05:53.32 | mutante | ,v fonts-takao-mincho |
| 05:53.34 | judd | Package: fonts-takao-mincho on amd64 -- wheezy: 003.02.01-7.1; stretch: 003.02.01-9; jessie: 003.02.01-9; sid: 003.02.01-9 |
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| 05:55.37 | somiaj | nami: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=718906 -- so it is managed by systemd and disabled by default as mentioned in that bug repot, but I think it will tell you how to enable it in there. |
| 05:55.38 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/718906 in systemd (closed): «systemd 204 mounts /tmp as tmpfs by default»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-08-06; last modified: 2013-10-10. |
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| 05:56.24 | nami | somiaj: thanks. i'm on it |
| 05:58.25 | somiaj | see that WantedBy=local-fs.target givs you control of turing it on/off, but still learning systemd lingo, maybe just systemctl enable tmp.mount turns it on |
| 05:59.14 | somiaj | nami: yup, that worked, /tmp is now tmpfs, now to disable it as sounds like something I don't want on a small ram vm. (: |
| 05:59.53 | nami | how can i show tmp.mount? |
| 05:59.59 | nami | is not in the systemctl list |
| 06:00.01 | somiaj | nami: what do you mean by show? |
| 06:00.20 | nami | even with --all |
| 06:00.21 | somiaj | systemctl show tmp.mount shows |
| 06:00.36 | nami | oh, it's there |
| 06:00.36 | somiaj | I'm unsure if it treats .mount unit files differently and is only showing certain kinds there |
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| 06:01.01 | somiaj | nami: it isn't showing it because it isn't a loaded unit |
| 06:01.03 | nami | uhm... i'm not sure how to add eventually noexec to it |
| 06:01.25 | nami | somiaj: systemctl list-unit-files |
| 06:01.26 | somiaj | nami: i.e. as soon as you load it it will show up with --all, so it is unloaded by default but 'systemctl enable tmp.mount' will load it and it will mount /tmp via tmpfs |
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| 06:02.23 | somiaj | nami: make a copy of the file in /lib/systemd/system/tmp.mount in /etc/systemd/system/tmp.mount, make any changes you need. then unload and reload it. It will use your custom one in /etc by default. |
| 06:02.50 | somiaj | actually I think there is a reload optoin to just reload the unit file and it will notice the new on ein /etc |
| 06:02.50 | nami | Options=mode=1777,strictatime |
| 06:02.54 | nami | i'm not sure what syntax is that... |
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| 06:03.26 | somiaj | everything after the first equal is what is sent to mount via -o |
| 06:04.29 | nami | oook, thank you somiaj :) |
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| 07:00.34 | medfly | hi guys. I've had debian randomly that it's running some test and it failed to do it and got into emergency mode. might be related to me editing fstab (weird, because I only added a samba mount there,changing options. shouldn't be relevant). so, I was able to get it to boot by changing the UUID to /dev/sdaX for the relevant X, but now I can't login inot my X window manager, while I can login without X :( |
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| 07:01.31 | somiaj | medfly: systemd in jessie does that if you have a mount in /etc/fstab that can't be mounted due to bad config or not available |
| 07:01.38 | somiaj | medfly: check the release notes for more details on this. |
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| 07:02.09 | medfly | somiaj: it was able to boot with very similar set up. is it possible that the UUID changed? |
| 07:02.40 | medfly | somiaj: anyway, I changed it to use /dev/sdaX, this works for me (I rarely change hardware, this should be fine), but I'd like to log into my window manager, and somehow that doesn't work now :( |
| 07:02.49 | medfly | somiaj: I can't think of why that would be the case, but I am not sure where toc heck for errors |
| 07:02.53 | towo^work | UUIDs will not changing magicly |
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| 07:08.42 | medfly | I may have worked it out |
| 07:08.43 | medfly | brb |
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| 07:10.12 | Ast001 | Hello is there separate room for Debian server ? |
| 07:11.16 | Ast001 | I have strange problem with Ram Disk, it suddenly stop to work as it should and give me can not remove directory not empty ? |
| 07:11.41 | Ast001 | even with rm -rf only reboot of server help. |
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| 07:12.49 | medfly | somiaj: it turns out I am an idiot and in changing UUIDs to /dev/sdaX I forgot I ahve a second hard disk (as I have an SSD) on this computer. |
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| 07:12.58 | medfly | somiaj: so I wasn't mounting my home partition :D |
| 07:13.07 | medfly | somiaj: surprising, a lot of things worked out! |
| 07:13.47 | somiaj | medfly: that would explain the user stuff not working right, I thought you were thrown into some system shell due to a bad fstab orginally |
| 07:13.51 | medfly | ^_^ |
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| 07:34.13 | itry | What does the "1" parameter do in the command "iptables"? I tried to find it in the man page, but how do you search for it? |
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| 07:36.29 | Iridos | Ast... |
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| 07:38.29 | Iridos | itry, what "1" parameter? |
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| 07:57.56 | AmazinglyDumb | hey pals |
| 07:57.56 | wbill | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.13 | AmazinglyDumb | I'm trying to get some pkgs using aptitude and it stalls |
| 07:58.18 | jelly | wbill: what do you think? |
| 07:58.27 | AmazinglyDumb | https://i.imgur.com/qaOkj1Y.png |
| 07:58.34 | AmazinglyDumb | it says 'waiting for headers' |
| 07:58.35 | Equa | wbill: always from top to bottom for most language |
| 07:58.43 | AmazinglyDumb | and it keeps waiting for them forever |
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| 07:59.11 | wbill | jelly if you can't answer maybe you don't know I don't that's why I asked... |
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| 07:59.51 | jelly | wbill: I'm more interested in the underlying problem that's making you ask such a weird question |
| 08:00.06 | wbill | y is that question weird? |
| 08:00.27 | wbill | i'm new to scripting |
| 08:00.28 | themill | wbill: "try it and see" sounds like a good solution whereby you help yourself |
| 08:01.00 | AmazinglyDumb | hey |
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| 08:01.12 | Stummi | wbill, your sh interpreter will read the script line by line and execute them |
| 08:01.15 | Stummi | in that order |
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| 08:01.26 | wbill | good answer themill someone already answered me jeez i figure i could get an answer without so much lip service |
| 08:01.45 | themill | wbill: why ask a question when you can get the answer yourself in less time? |
| 08:01.50 | Stummi | tbh thats the only answer that would make sense at all |
| 08:02.05 | wbill | how if im new and dont know exactly what im doing |
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| 08:02.34 | jelly | wbill: what are you trying to achieve, precisely? |
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| 08:03.24 | wbill | Stummi so it will read starting at the bottom or the top? |
| 08:03.39 | Stummi | how do you start when reading a page of text? |
| 08:03.39 | AmazinglyDumb | hello |
| 08:03.45 | AmazinglyDumb | could anyone please help me? |
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| 08:04.15 | jelly | too slow |
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| 08:04.34 | Iridos | sorry... we were flabberghasted by the other question |
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| 08:05.49 | Iridos | AmazinglyDumb, just hit ctrl-c and start it again? I seem to have no problems contacting security .debian.org (albeit accessing the wheezy repos) |
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| 08:06.05 | Iridos | oh wait |
| 08:06.08 | AmazinglyDumb | Iridos: I tried |
| 08:06.11 | AmazinglyDumb | thing is I use proxy |
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| 08:06.25 | AmazinglyDumb | and when I try to install, say, tcpdump |
| 08:06.33 | AmazinglyDumb | I see it uses wrong port for proxy |
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| 08:06.48 | AmazinglyDumb | it uses standard 80 (or 8080) instead of the one I specified |
| 08:06.49 | AmazinglyDumb | 4343 |
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| 08:07.23 | Iridos | how do you specify that? |
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| 08:07.56 | AmazinglyDumb | weird |
| 08:07.59 | Iridos | and I think apt-get and aptitude would honor the http_proxy environment variable... can't remember if I tried that, though |
| 08:08.00 | AmazinglyDumb | re-restarted aptitude |
| 08:08.03 | AmazinglyDumb | and now it works |
| 08:08.06 | Iridos | :) |
| 08:08.27 | AmazinglyDumb | they respect that variable/environmentVar |
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| 08:08.51 | AmazinglyDumb | and I checked in console what it shows to 'echo $http_proxy' before running aptitude |
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| 08:10.19 | AmazinglyDumb | trying to update now |
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| 08:11.53 | AmazinglyDumb | https://i.imgur.com/4729uR7.png dat shit again :( |
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| 08:12.39 | AmazinglyDumb | however, I see the text wheel spinning |
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| 08:16.32 | Iridos | AmazinglyDumb, would probably be a little easier using a pastebin if you used the text interface of aptitude or apt-get |
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| 08:17.14 | Iridos | like "apt-get update" |
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| 08:18.27 | Iridos | but point is... if it works or works not erratically, it's you network or proxy in some way acting up |
| 08:18.48 | Iridos | so not really something one can address from the debian side of it |
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| 08:19.34 | Iridos | well, one thing maybe |
| 08:19.51 | AmazinglyDumb | Iridos: it's running in a VM |
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| 08:20.07 | AmazinglyDumb | host machine is windows, no easy way to copy text from VM's terminal |
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| 08:21.15 | AmazinglyDumb | maybe I just don't get how it works, because it keeps updating the list: https://i.imgur.com/qaOkj1Y.png > https://i.imgur.com/4729uR7.png > https://i.imgur.com/o14bBQo.png |
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| 08:21.47 | AmazinglyDumb | https://i.imgur.com/wqB4xqQ.png |
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| 08:22.00 | AmazinglyDumb | maybe ftp.ru.debian.org is dead? |
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| 08:22.17 | AmazinglyDumb | it is accessible though |
| 08:22.33 | AmazinglyDumb | but I know nothing about the services it requires for aptitude to work with that host |
| 08:22.46 | Iridos | dpkg, jessie sources.list |
| 08:22.47 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 08:23.06 | Iridos | you can use the httpredir ones instead of debain.ru.... |
| 08:23.19 | Equa | AmazinglyDumb: I'm getting alot of timeout from ftp.ru |
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| 08:23.39 | AmazinglyDumb | how to switch to a different mirror? |
| 08:23.58 | AmazinglyDumb | Equa: which one would you suggest? |
| 08:24.21 | themill | !hdn |
| 08:24.21 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main". See http://httpredir.debian.org/ for more information. The redirector uses HTTP 302 redirects not DNS to serve content so is safe to use with Google DNS. See also <which httpredir.debian.org>. This service is identical to http.debian.net. |
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| 08:24.59 | Equa | AmazinglyDumb: The closest one to you. Pick from the list |
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| 08:26.40 | AmazinglyDumb | dpkg: that url redirected me to http://mirror.easyspeedy.com/debian/ |
| 08:26.41 | dpkg | AmazinglyDumb: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 08:26.50 | AmazinglyDumb | no, not yet |
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| 08:27.57 | AmazinglyDumb | no 'ee' by default in Debian :( |
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| 08:28.14 | themill | "that url" meaning what? |
| 08:28.15 | AmazinglyDumb | I bet, there's that stupid vi present |
| 08:28.36 | AmazinglyDumb | themill: http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ > http://mirror.easyspeedy.com/debian/ |
| 08:28.38 | Equa | AmazinglyDumb: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 08:28.59 | themill | AmazinglyDumb: and? |
| 08:29.13 | AmazinglyDumb | themill: you asked > I replied. |
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| 08:29.39 | themill | AmazinglyDumb: no, you stated: "<AmazinglyDumb> dpkg: that url redirected me to http://mirror.easyspeedy.com/debian/" as if that were important... |
| 08:30.02 | themill | and so I'm wanting to know why you think it is important that you tell the bot that information |
| 08:30.08 | AmazinglyDumb | can't find 'ee' in the packages TT |
| 08:30.35 | AmazinglyDumb | themill: why's he a bot? |
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| 08:30.38 | AmazinglyDumb | he's not |
| 08:31.01 | themill | I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 08:31.24 | Equa | dpkg is a bot that they used ! to show things |
| 08:31.25 | dpkg | Equa: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 08:31.42 | AmazinglyDumb | O_O |
| 08:32.50 | themill | dpkg, shush |
| 08:32.50 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
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| 08:34.35 | AmazinglyDumb | dpks is a smart bot |
| 08:34.43 | AmazinglyDumb | I took him for a human |
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| 08:36.21 | AmazinglyDumb | however, the service he advertises suggests to use httpredir for 'jessie main', but what about 'jessie/updates main'? |
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| 08:36.42 | themill | the web page is quite clear about not doing that |
| 08:36.43 | AmazinglyDumb | dpkg what should I do with jessie/updates? |
| 08:36.45 | dpkg | AmazinglyDumb: wish i knew |
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| 08:38.26 | AmazinglyDumb | themill: no, it says to list both and put 3rd party first |
| 08:38.34 | themill | so there's your answer |
| 08:38.40 | AmazinglyDumb | Notes For the security repository, you should not rely on third party mirrors. You should always use them in addition to the main mirrors. I.e. list the third party mirror first, and then security.debian.org. |
| 08:39.16 | AmazinglyDumb | security.debian.org is used only for jessie/updates |
| 08:39.37 | AmazinglyDumb | and there's not an example on that page suggesting to use httpredir for jessie/updates |
| 08:39.41 | AmazinglyDumb | so that note is confusing |
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| 08:40.04 | themill | because the main suggestion is that you should not do that... |
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| 08:40.45 | themill | «For the security repository, you should not rely on third party mirrors.» If you want to ignore that advice, then there is further info about how to make it a little less of a problem. |
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| 08:41.43 | AmazinglyDumb | I got it different |
| 08:42.11 | AmazinglyDumb | which proves the point that the text is confusing, if it can be interpreted differently |
| 08:42.20 | AmazinglyDumb | that's why some mans suck |
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| 08:51.50 | Iridos | AmazinglyDumb, I cannot really read this in any different manner |
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| 08:52.37 | jgb | are .debs removed after a network install of 8.1? /var/cache/apt/archives is empty & I'd like to not download them again for another installation. If they are removed, can I disable that behaviour when doing a netinstall? |
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| 08:53.51 | AmazinglyDumb | Iridos: should I use httpredir for jessie/updates or not? if so, which url to use? there are examples for jessie, those urls end with /debian/, but jessue/updates do not have that part, should I also cut it out? |
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| 08:54.33 | AmazinglyDumb | seems quite obvious, that this part might be confusing, why not provide an example of a full sources.list for the last release of debian? |
| 08:54.44 | AmazinglyDumb | that's a rhetorical question |
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| 08:57.00 | Iridos | the factoid I called up first had that? The one you ignored ^^ |
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| 09:21.50 | Minty_64 | hello |
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| 09:23.19 | fyuza21 | Hello. It happens that after 20-30 minutes, sometimes less, cpu usage of gnome-shell goes up to 70-90% and stays there until i log out. what could be a good way to find out what happens? happens with intel graphics 4400 and 4500 |
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| 09:23.34 | fyuza21 | debian jessie, gnome 3.14 |
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| 09:26.56 | Iridos | fyuza21, I see highish cpu usage for gnome-shell in wheezy after a time... but I'd think after maybe a day or two, not after half an hour... "openbox --replace" (and if one likes gnome-shell --replace to go back) worked as a workaround |
| 09:27.08 | Iridos | seems that I have switched to openbox that way :-/ |
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| 09:27.37 | Iridos | fyuza21, check bugs.debian.org/gnome-shell if someone reported it |
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| 09:28.15 | Iridos | (may need to unselect "unstable" to see all interesting bugs) |
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| 09:30.41 | Iridos | judd, versions gnome-shell |
| 09:30.42 | judd | Package: gnome-shell on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 3.4.2-7+deb7u2; jessie: 3.14.4-1~deb8u1; stretch: 3.14.4-1; sid: 3.16.2-4 |
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| 09:31.10 | knivsta | hi |
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| 09:38.33 | fyuza21 | Iridos, ok. do you have intel graphics as well? any extensions enabled? |
| 09:39.43 | fyuza21 | i wonder how the debian jessie could be called stable if a bug like this puts the "default" window manager into an unusable state? I thought that debian jessie would be free of problems like that. |
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| 09:43.09 | nbags | fyuza21, i upgraded a system the other day with intel graphics to jessie and now its spewing errors in the dmesg. but its headless so i havent really bothered to try to fix it. |
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| 09:45.14 | fyuza21 | nbags, thx. you wouldn't have any idea where to look at, would you? |
| 09:45.52 | nbags | fyuza21, not really. its probably unrelated anyway. i avoid 3d window managers ... they slow me down |
| 09:46.03 | nbags | i use MATE instead |
| 09:46.46 | fyuza21 | I see. But really disappointing calling that a stable version of debian. |
| 09:46.53 | nbags | agreed |
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| 09:47.24 | nbags | they cant catch everything i guess ... but its hard to say when stuff is mature enough ... |
| 09:47.38 | nbags | regressions suck! |
| 09:48.47 | SynrGy | so if you want to debug it, we can help. but if you are going to just whine at debian for having bugs, that's an attitude we could have less of here, please. |
| 09:49.15 | SynrGy | if we fixed all the bugs in debian before each release, it would never release. |
| 09:50.24 | fyuza21 | SynrGy, fair enough. so what would be a first step to find the cause of the problem? what and how to debug that? |
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| 09:50.55 | SynrGy | do you have any third-party extensions or themes? |
| 09:51.02 | fyuza21 | no |
| 09:51.04 | SynrGy | ok |
| 09:51.47 | SynrGy | fyuza21: did you check http://bugs.debian.org/gnome-shell to see if there are any similar reports? |
| 09:51.56 | fyuza21 | still checking |
| 09:51.58 | SynrGy | k |
| 09:52.06 | SynrGy | and then if not, file one using reportbug |
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| 09:52.42 | SynrGy | hopefully they will have some useful advice for you. i can't think of anything. also, gnome will have a bug tracker. you could see if there are similar bugs against that specific version |
| 09:53.30 | SynrGy | if you do check for upstream bugs and find anything, you could xref that in your debian bug report |
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| 09:56.01 | fyuza21 | SynrGy, ok, thx. no similar bugs for gnome-shell on this tracker. will have a look at gnome tracker |
| 09:57.27 | SynrGy | fyuza21: at this point, feel free to file a debian gnome-shell bug with reportbug. if you later find some upstream bug that seems related, you can always add it to the bug after the fact. |
| 09:57.59 | SynrGy | hopefully the debian gnome team can guide you to collect more info about the bug |
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| 09:59.23 | fyuza21 | it seems there's plenty of cpu usage related bugs on the gnome bugtracker. didn't expect it to be that problematic |
| 09:59.45 | SynrGy | fyuza21: as for your wondering about how this sort of thing gets into stable, we can speculate your case is exceptional in some way. |
| 09:59.50 | fyuza21 | the bug i encounter seems to covered by a dozen of reports already |
| 10:00.03 | SynrGy | hmm |
| 10:00.26 | fyuza21 | don't think so. this happens on two different laptops with different graphics cards |
| 10:00.37 | SynrGy | could be those dozens of reports are different issues manifesting similarly |
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| 10:00.43 | fyuza21 | yes |
| 10:00.45 | haranb | hi! |
| 10:00.57 | SynrGy | so pay attention to version#s reported |
| 10:01.07 | fyuza21 | goes back to 2013 |
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| 10:01.25 | fyuza21 | I'll see what's possible here |
| 10:01.40 | fyuza21 | But thx for your help SynrGy |
| 10:01.55 | haranb | I'd like to compile on an armv7 board a src-package which is provided only for amd64/i386, from a 3rd party repository |
| 10:02.02 | SynrGy | fyuza21: so you could conclude "oh, the devs know about this, but released debian anyway" (malice). i don't think that's the case ... |
| 10:02.19 | SynrGy | fyuza21: or "the devs didn't know about this because of those users noticing the problem, none of them reported it" |
| 10:02.28 | SynrGy | fyuza21: or "the devs didn't know about this because no users noticed" |
| 10:02.34 | haranb | how can I download the package I'm interested on from this repository and compile it ? |
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| 10:02.53 | SynrGy | fyuza21: in any case, your input now is valuable to helping solve it |
| 10:03.02 | SynrGy | (in the form of a bug filed on gnome-shell) |
| 10:03.11 | fyuza21 | i see. |
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| 10:03.41 | SynrGy | my sympathies, though. regressions like this do suck |
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| 10:06.22 | SynrGy | fyuza21: and just one parting observation. a sample size of two is still very small ... you could just be very unlucky it happens on both, or else there is some similarity on both that is uncommon in the general population of gnome jessie users |
| 10:06.53 | SynrGy | good luck hunting for/fixing the cause of this one. i know it can be perplexing to debug this class of problem |
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| 10:07.10 | SynrGy | anything you may be able to find in logs on your systems may help |
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| 10:07.29 | SynrGy | paying particular attention to timestamps close to when you start experiencing it |
| 10:07.46 | SynrGy | dmesg, wherever gnome keeps its session logs, etc |
| 10:08.13 | SynrGy | (sorry, i don't run gnome-shell anymore, and don't know the latter) |
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| 10:09.13 | SynrGy | haranb: a package that is in the debian archive? |
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| 10:10.11 | SynrGy | !tell haranb about source |
| 10:11.00 | alexarnaud | Hello everybody. |
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| 10:12.34 | alexarnaud | I'm visual impaired man and I need voice output on my systm but now I'v only braille and screen magnifier because sound doesn't work with connected mini display-port. Can anyone help me to solve this issue ? |
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| 10:16.30 | AmazinglyDumb | halp! |
| 10:16.41 | AmazinglyDumb | I can't log out in Debian! |
| 10:16.46 | AmazinglyDumb | it just does nothing |
| 10:17.25 | Iridos | fyuza21, yes, intel integraded graphics card |
| 10:17.31 | AmazinglyDumb | also, dafuq is dis? https://i.imgur.com/8SXaeV1.png |
| 10:17.53 | AmazinglyDumb | nvm, I managed to log out |
| 10:17.59 | AmazinglyDumb | it just took too much time |
| 10:18.26 | fyuza21 | Iridos, i saw that there are a lot of cpu usage related problems with gnom-shell, no matter what graphics card, driver and kernel it seems |
| 10:18.46 | fyuza21 | still some work to do i guess ;) |
| 10:19.21 | baum | should have used LVM.... |
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| 10:21.49 | Iridos | fyuza21, and the "stable" in debian stable means that the version that is in the "stable" distribution will remain the same throughout the whole life of the jessie... (security and other bug fixes are usually backported to that version, only exception can be very grave security fixes) that means whatever bugs you do encounter will stay fixed for the life of that release however you manage to fix or work around them |
| 10:22.37 | SynrGy | alexarnaud: so you would like sound to go through your graphics card's HDMI output? |
| 10:22.59 | SynrGy | alexarnaud: er, sorry, i guess that's DP-1 or something |
| 10:23.19 | SynrGy | alexarnaud: i mean, the output device provided by your graphics card, not the onboard sound of the motherboard |
| 10:23.46 | Iridos | as was pointed out, it's impossible to get anything 100% bug-free... :) Bug-hunting usually goes on for roughly half a year for a release... |
| 10:24.19 | Iridos | fyu... oh, must have left |
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| 10:29.30 | haranb | SynrGy: the package is not on debian archives, but on a 3rd party repository |
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| 10:29.57 | haranb | the guys provide sources and binary for i386/amd64 only though |
| 10:30.08 | SynrGy | haranb: so long as they publish their source at that repo (i.e. deb-src line works) you can follow the process dpkg bot sent you |
| 10:30.30 | SynrGy | haranb: so you're trying to make it work on non-x86 architecture? |
| 10:30.37 | haranb | SynrGy: even if the sources aren't for my architecture? armv7? |
| 10:30.40 | haranb | yes |
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| 10:30.59 | SynrGy | i said "the process" works. i made no guarantees it would build and work out of the box :) |
| 10:31.31 | SynrGy | also, if it has any dependencies or build dependencies not present on your arch, you'll have to address those as well |
| 10:31.41 | haranb | SynrGy: I understand, I tough ap-get would refuse to do anything on a repo that doesn't match its architecture |
| 10:31.53 | SynrGy | not deb-src |
| 10:32.00 | SynrGy | leave off the 'deb' line |
| 10:32.06 | SynrGy | deb-src only cares about sources |
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| 10:35.14 | haranb | ok, thank you :) |
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| 10:35.50 | SynrGy | good luck |
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| 10:38.54 | haranb | doesn't work |
| 10:39.28 | haranb | apt-get source msrprelay -> impossible to find a source package msrprelay (translated) |
| 10:40.03 | haranb | this was the page describing the steps for an ordinary x86 arch http://msrprelay.org/projects/msrprelay/wiki/InstallationGuide |
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| 10:40.45 | haranb | i'm going the targz way |
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| 10:45.31 | SynrGy | haranb: what is in your sources.list? did you 'apt-get update' afterwards? |
| 10:46.04 | SynrGy | haranb: were there any errors caused by the 'deb-src' lines you added? |
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| 10:48.30 | SynrGy | haranb: i tried the 'stable' line from the Repositories page on their wiki and when I apt-get update, i get: |
| 10:48.33 | SynrGy | Err http://ag-projects.com stable/main Sources |
| 10:49.13 | SynrGy | oh, but i subsequently get: |
| 10:49.15 | SynrGy | Get:3 http://ag-projects.com stable/main Sources [2,933 B] |
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| 10:52.53 | SynrGy | haranb: indeed, i get the same error (an amd64 system) when i have the deb-src only, and not the deb |
| 10:53.11 | SynrGy | sorry for the misdirection |
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| 10:56.48 | future28 | Hi, why can't I install a previous version of gnome-settings-daemon? Apt cache shows only the latest available but I am almost 100% sure it broke functionality |
| 10:56.58 | future28 | I need to get the old version back in order to test this theory |
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| 11:02.13 | phix | hey, I would like to launch a script or function (from within a daemon script) after x incorrect login attempts via SSH for a particular IP |
| 11:02.50 | SynrGy | future28: it might be in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 11:02.57 | SynrGy | future28: if not, see snapshots |
| 11:02.59 | phix | Should I use snort or something equiv, a daemon script that listens to syslog or log file or netfilter? |
| 11:03.00 | SynrGy | !snapshots |
| 11:03.00 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 11:03.16 | SynrGy | ,v gnome-settings-daemon |
| 11:03.18 | judd | Package: gnome-settings-daemon on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.30.2-2+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.4.2+git20121218.7c1322-3+deb7u3; jessie: 3.14.2-3; stretch: 3.16.2-3; sid: 3.16.2-3 |
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| 11:03.21 | SynrGy | future28: on stable? |
| 11:03.50 | future28 | SynrGy: Testing unfortunatelt |
| 11:03.52 | SynrGy | future28: doesn't look like there have been any security updates to that. so there is no 'previous version' |
| 11:04.06 | SynrGy | right. then snapshots it is |
| 11:04.23 | phix | gang? |
| 11:04.25 | SynrGy | also, see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net where we support testing/unstable |
| 11:04.45 | future28 | Okay thanks SynrGy - Should I post more details there? |
| 11:05.17 | SynrGy | future28: i think you have enough to find the older version now. if you have further issues, it may be a better place to get help in general |
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| 11:05.49 | SynrGy | future28: as they'll be more familiar with current problems encountered in testing/unstable |
| 11:06.03 | future28 | Thanks SynrGy, I will see how I go with this. Thanks again |
| 11:06.07 | SynrGy | good luck |
| 11:06.33 | SynrGy | phix: all i know is fail2ban |
| 11:07.05 | SynrGy | and i don't know if it can execute an arbitrary script or not. i'm not a user of that package. |
| 11:07.23 | SynrGy | i know in general it is used for dealing with repeated incorrect login attempts, though |
| 11:07.54 | phix | SynrGy: yeah I have been looking at fail2ban |
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| 11:10.21 | SynrGy | phix: the other line of investigation to purse, i guess, would be to see if pam can handle it |
| 11:10.25 | SynrGy | pursue* |
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| 11:11.33 | phix | SynrGy: I tried pam once, I was locked out of root |
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| 11:12.06 | future28 | Hello again, my hunch was correct. Should I file a bug report? |
| 11:12.11 | SynrGy | phix: ugh. yeah, you have to be careful ... |
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| 11:12.32 | SynrGy | phix: a quick google turns up this as my first hit. can't vouch for it, but maybe there's something useful in there: http://blog.stalkr.net/2010/11/login-notifications-pamexec-scripting.html |
| 11:13.36 | SynrGy | future28: yes, please. |
| 11:13.43 | SynrGy | future28: check for already filed bugs first, though |
| 11:13.51 | future28 | SynrGy: I've never done one before :S I'll take a look now |
| 11:13.57 | SynrGy | future28: use 'reportbug' |
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| 12:50.31 | daniel-s | Hi there. |
| 12:50.45 | daniel-s | I know that debian archives are signed using gpg, but why are they http and now https? |
| 12:52.19 | themill | because it offers no additional security and lots of overhead and certificate management problems |
| 12:52.42 | jelly | daniel-s: it doesn't matter as long as you can verify the signed repo metadata corresponds to gpg keys you got in the installer. |
| 12:53.22 | themill | the *only* thing it does is hide the fact that you downloaded a package from an evesdropper; it doesn't hide that from the mirror admin. If you really want that, then there are a few https and tor mirrors around |
| 12:53.23 | jelly | daniel-s: but riddle me this: how do you know the installer you downloaded and the checksum files you verified it against havesn't been tampered with |
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| 12:59.36 | daniel-s | Well, for example, do you think the Chinese have in their great firewall monitoring for anyone visiting the URL http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/t/tor/tor_0.2.4.27-1_amd64.deb |
| 12:59.38 | daniel-s | ? |
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| 12:59.59 | Posterdati | hi |
| 13:00.22 | Posterdati | why was clisp removed from debian 8 repositories? |
| 13:00.45 | at0m|c | ,v clisp |
| 13:00.46 | judd | Package: clisp on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.48-3; wheezy: 1:2.49-8.1; sid: 1:2.49-10 |
| 13:00.53 | themill | daniel-s: what I said. |
| 13:01.25 | Posterdati | no jessie |
| 13:01.32 | Posterdati | strange |
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| 13:02.12 | jelly | Posterdati: visit packages.qd.debian.org/clisp and figure out which unpatched release-critical bug caused it to be removed or never enter jessie |
| 13:02.16 | jelly | oops. |
| 13:02.22 | jelly | http://packages.qa.debian.org/clisp |
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| 13:02.33 | jelly | also, |
| 13:02.35 | themill | itym https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/clisp ! |
| 13:02.42 | jelly | !why is clisp not in testing |
| 13:02.42 | dpkg | clisp is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=clisp |
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| 13:03.00 | jelly | themill: /pkg/ ? bleh |
| 13:03.18 | jelly | ah, works as expecteded |
| 13:03.29 | themill | ,bug rc clisp |
| 13:03.30 | judd | Release critical bugs in package clisp (2): #751005 (open), #752726 (open, sid, stretch, jessie) |
| 13:04.31 | at0m|c | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=752726 |
| 13:04.32 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/752726 in clisp (open, jessie, sid, stretch): «stumpwm: FTBFS - SIGSEGV cannot be cured.»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-06-25; last modified: 2015-04-28. |
| 13:04.51 | themill | jelly: it displays not only package info or not only info just for single packages so yes, it needs namespaces in the URLs |
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| 13:06.38 | jelly | https://tracker.debian.org/clisp still works, and that's good enough for me |
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| 13:16.54 | AquaL1te | over the last 2 releases there were talks of a mature implementation of selinux in debian. but so far there hasn't been any, are these still active projects? |
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| 13:22.40 | Utils | I'm running a cron job where I empty a directory. The command (as it is now) is: rm /var/mail/vhosts/mail.com/no-reply/cur/* |
| 13:23.12 | Utils | but it will error and say rm: cannot remove `/var/mail/vhosts/example.com/no-reply/cur/*` no such file or directory |
| 13:23.14 | Utils | what's up with that? |
| 13:23.25 | Utils | oops. typing error. |
| 13:23.37 | Utils | I meant example.com not mail.com. |
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| 13:24.16 | Utils | basically trying to empty the contents of /var/mail/vhosts/example.com/no-reply/cur in a cron job, but it's saying the file/directory /var/mail/vhosts/example.com/no-reply/cur/* is not found. |
| 13:24.21 | N_ick | hi there |
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| 13:24.47 | N_ick | i have an easy question for you guys |
| 13:24.57 | themill | Utils: what makes you say the error is wrong? |
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| 13:25.11 | N_ick | i need to add a delay of about 3 seconds to stdout display |
| 13:25.14 | N_ick | how can i do that? :) |
| 13:25.23 | arpc | Utils: you miiight wanna take a look at this before you do that http://net-security.org/article.php?id=2061 |
| 13:25.53 | p8m | I have a device controlled with a serial port that I would like to expose to a simple web service. What's a way to serialize requests so that only one command is sent to the device at a time? |
| 13:25.55 | arpc | not sure if its been fixed or not |
| 13:26.21 | p8m | sorry wrong window :-) |
| 13:26.31 | themill | arpc: you just put -- before the filename arguments (although the filenames should be entirely controlled in an imap server situation) |
| 13:26.51 | Utils | arpc: ah I see. shouldn't be an issue but it's better not to take risks. |
| 13:27.12 | Utils | themill: the cur directory exists in it's place. I just want to empty all it's contents. |
| 13:27.28 | themill | Utils: you're not asking it to remove cur/ you're asking it to remove cur/* |
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| 13:27.43 | Utils | I don't want to remove cur/ I want to remove everything inside cur/ but keep the folder. |
| 13:27.55 | themill | Utils: so what if cur/ is empty? |
| 13:28.29 | Utils | ... good point. it is empty. |
| 13:28.55 | Utils | didn't think that'd be what causes the problem though. hmm |
| 13:28.59 | themill | Note that if there's a huge number of files in cur/ it would also fail because * would expand to be longer than the allowed limit |
| 13:29.22 | Utils | also a problem. what do you recommend instead then? |
| 13:29.35 | themill | posix shells leave the * behind if it can't be expanded; you can prevent that in bash using nullglob or failglob. |
| 13:29.42 | themill | For your situation, I'd suggest find |
| 13:30.06 | themill | find /var/mail/vhosts/example.com/no-reply/cur/ -type f -delete |
| 13:30.55 | Utils | that also doesn't error if it's empty too. nice. |
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| 13:30.59 | Utils | thanks :) |
| 13:31.38 | themill | np |
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| 13:34.19 | arpc | Huh, when booting my hypervisor which contains a DHCP, samba share and a few vms that access that share the vms fail to mount it because it hasnt booted up/connected yet, any workarrounds? |
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| 13:35.54 | eschmidbauer__ | Why am i finding it so difficult to install pacemaker on deb 8 ? |
| 13:36.10 | eschmidbauer__ | is there a guide to installing it somewhere? |
| 13:36.38 | themill | pacemaker is not in jessie |
| 13:36.57 | eschmidbauer__ | su |
| 13:36.58 | eschmidbauer__ | sux |
| 13:37.04 | eschmidbauer__ | but i did just find this... |
| 13:37.23 | themill | sux is also not in jessie. |
| 13:38.21 | themill | https://wiki.debian.org/Debian-HA/FAQ |
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| 13:45.31 | eschmidbauer__ | what a pain... |
| 13:45.49 | eschmidbauer__ | and from what i read haresources does not work with systemd |
| 13:45.53 | bazhang | ,v pacemaker |
| 13:45.55 | judd | Package: pacemaker on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.9.1+hg15626-1; squeeze-backports: 1.1.7-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.1.7-1; sid: 1.1.10+git20130802-4.1; experimental: 1.1.11-1 |
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| 13:49.29 | QGuLL_ | hi, with a debian package built by myself, that has a init.d, is there any way to tell dpkg no to stop/start the init.d when installing new version of this package ? |
| 13:49.49 | themill | !policy-rc.d |
| 13:49.49 | dpkg | [policy-rc.d] a mechanism to limit what init scripts are run by maintainer scripts. See http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt and <invoke-rc.d>. See http://ircbots.debian.net/scripts/policy-rc.d-forbid-dpkg for an example script that disables all daemon starts and stops during package installation -- tailoring it to your needs to only skip certain daemons would be advised. |
| 13:50.32 | QGuLL_ | themill: thanks |
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| 13:53.38 | eschmidbauer__ | this does not work on deb 8 https://wiki.debian.org/Debian-HA/ClustersFromScratch |
| 13:54.07 | eschmidbauer__ | http://paste.debian.net/260082/ |
| 13:54.16 | eschmidbauer__ | when i get to the step for installing pacemaker |
| 13:54.29 | Shadur | eschmidbauer__: pacemaker was pulled out of Jessie due to RC bugs. |
| 13:54.52 | eschmidbauer__ | do i have to compile it then? |
| 13:55.01 | eschmidbauer__ | or is there a way to use haresources with systemd? |
| 13:55.36 | themill | eschmidbauer__: you missed out the step of adding in a 3rd party repo |
| 13:56.00 | Shadur | themill: Is there a third party repository for pacemaker? I searched but couldn't find one. |
| 13:56.09 | themill | as linked on that page |
| 13:56.16 | eschmidbauer__ | ppa repo? |
| 13:56.18 | freeaks | hi there, i was wonder if anyone know what would be the effect of a task with nice -n 20 being set ? (normaly nice is from -20 to 19 right ? here on one of the machine i see cron jobs being run with nice -n 20) |
| 13:56.24 | freeaks | *wondering |
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| 13:56.54 | themill | I can't promise that using that 3rd party repo is a good idea |
| 13:57.41 | vamps | freeaks: -20 is for high priority |
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| 13:58.03 | freeaks | vamps i'm asking for -n 20 |
| 13:58.11 | freeaks | not -n -20 |
| 13:59.06 | freeaks | would the nice be ignored then ? or being automaticaly set to the closest authorized value () 19) |
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| 14:01.10 | Iridos | freeaks, why don't you check yourself, takes 1 minute... |
| 14:01.15 | Iridos | freeaks, nice -n 20 sleep 90& sleep 1; ps -eo "%p %y %x %c %a %n"|grep sleep.[9]0 |
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| 14:03.17 | freeaks | Iridos : thanks for the anwser but you level is above mine, i don't understand much of that command, |
| 14:03.30 | freeaks | and i'm not sure how to interpret the reulst of it: |
| 14:03.31 | freeaks | 12421 pts/1 00:00:00 sleep sleep 90 19 |
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| 14:03.52 | vamps | freeaks: there is a comment in the source file : /* If the requested adjustment is outside the valid range, silently bring it to just within range; this mimics what "setpriority" a |
| 14:03.55 | vamps | nd "nice" do. */ |
| 14:03.56 | Iridos | I also only got the ps format string from "man ps"... |
| 14:04.01 | jelly | freeaks: it didn't go down to 20, there is no +20 level |
| 14:04.01 | freeaks | what would that mean ? the task is executed with the closest authorized priority (19) ? |
| 14:04.11 | freeaks | jelly i know |
| 14:04.12 | Iridos | but %n is nice (i.e. last column) |
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| 14:04.25 | jelly | freeaks: and now you see |
| 14:04.52 | freeaks | jelly i'm asking specificaly "what would that do if something is run with nice -n 20" .. instead of nice -n 19 |
| 14:05.07 | vamps | freeaks: just check nice.c in the coreutils package |
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| 14:05.29 | Iridos | or look at the output of the above ps call |
| 14:05.34 | freeaks | jelly ok, so running with nice -n 20 makes it run as nice -n 19 then ? |
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| 14:06.08 | freeaks | it revert back to the closest authorized value, thanks for te help |
| 14:06.16 | freeaks | *the |
| 14:06.41 | freeaks | you should try to understand not everyone is a wizard though |
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| 14:07.34 | Iridos | freeaks, I even told you %n is the nice value, i.e. the last column of your output |
| 14:07.43 | Iridos | maybe only wizards can read :-/ |
| 14:08.01 | freeaks | that means, advice to look into C source or cryptic shell command without explanation as if it was all too evident, is not the best behavior but thanks for the help |
| 14:08.43 | Iridos | freeaks, any command can be cryptic if you don't even take 2 minutes to look at its documentation... |
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| 14:09.22 | Iridos | or read the comment made on it |
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| 14:09.32 | freeaks | Iridos you don't what to even try to understand my point, but you're giving me advice to take time to understand your answer ... |
| 14:09.37 | elange | How do I reset ulimits (-n -l) limits |
| 14:09.40 | freeaks | you don't see the irony there? |
| 14:09.49 | elange | 09:09 4096 |
| 14:09.55 | elange | 09:09 64 |
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| 14:10.01 | elange | those are completely incorrect. |
| 14:10.09 | vamps | freeaks: I gave you the comment in the file... |
| 14:10.14 | Iridos | freeaks, I understand your point... you want the answer spoon-fed to you |
| 14:10.28 | Iridos | and with a small, golden spoon only |
| 14:10.59 | freeaks | Iridos you look down on every one that is not at your level ? |
| 14:11.09 | elange | http://pastebin.com/M8bRLTX5 |
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| 14:11.48 | Iridos | elange, inside the shell e.g. ulimit -n unlimited (but only root may be allowed to set less rigorous limits) |
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| 14:12.15 | elange | Iridos: what if the box reboots. |
| 14:12.56 | Iridos | elange, was just going to say... set anything for future logins in /etc/security/limits.conf (the file you paste-binned) |
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| 14:13.22 | elange | Iridos: current. so I set them as unlimited and reboot? |
| 14:13.31 | Iridos | freeaks, no... just on people too lazy to bother reading documentation even or trying to understand stuff... |
| 14:13.54 | Iridos | elange, reboot should not be necessary... the limits should count for every new login iirc |
| 14:13.57 | freeaks | you don't know me stop assuming |
| 14:14.12 | Iridos | I am not assuming |
| 14:14.39 | elange | Iridos: ummm I tried this already. |
| 14:14.48 | freeaks | and i see through your answers that no matter what i say you won't understand so end of discussion from me |
| 14:14.55 | Iridos | vamps gave you the relevant comment from the nice.c file... you didn't read it because it was a .c-file and that's by default "too complicated" |
| 14:15.20 | elange | Iridos: they are still hard set to 64 |
| 14:16.21 | Iridos | elange, there's a "man limits.conf" - that says it's a pam module setting them |
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| 14:17.07 | Iridos | elange, well, if in doubt and it doesn't hurt, reboot anyway... I faintly remember having some problems getting the new limits recognized (but then I never log out of X on my desktop :P ) |
| 14:17.30 | elange | totally. |
| 14:17.38 | jelly | freeaks: some things we take for granted, like ability to understand variable substitution, how a printf-like format works for output (in this case, how %n in ps -eo ... gets replaced by the nice value) |
| 14:18.09 | freeaks | jelly thanks a lot |
| 14:18.09 | Iridos | well ,possibly |
| 14:18.57 | freeaks | now i understand better |
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| 14:20.53 | freeaks | i can now search for variable substitution too |
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| 14:23.47 | freeaks | there's quite a few points i don't yet understand about this command, and i don't like to run commands i don't understand, and searching for all potions of grep and ps could take time just for answering a simple question .... the command i'm speaking about was: nice -n 20 sleep 90& sleep 1; ps -eo "%p %y %x %c %a %n"|grep sleep.[9]0 |
| 14:24.19 | freeaks | *typo: option (not portion) |
| 14:24.36 | Iridos | elan... |
| 14:24.38 | Iridos | oh well |
| 14:25.30 | freeaks | (jelly) |
| 14:25.46 | Iridos | freeaks, yeah, fair enough. "nice -n 20 sleep 90&" just runs a 90-seconds sleep with nice... & sends it into the background so that all the other stuff can run |
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| 14:26.19 | Iridos | the following sleep 1 is just to make sure that the process is already visible in the process list of "ps" |
| 14:26.39 | freeaks | iridos my apologies then, thank you for the explanations |
| 14:27.18 | Iridos | ps -e is extended output... the ps commands ps aux or ps -ef that one commonly runs all the time don't include the "nice" value, so I had to use format strings, which are documented in "man ps" |
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| 14:27.48 | Iridos | if you do man ps, then search with /%n you find the whole list of format descriptors |
| 14:28.01 | Iridos | the ones before %n are copied from some example in the manpage |
| 14:28.40 | freeaks | Iridos great ! that helps one to progress and encourage to do searchs |
| 14:28.43 | Iridos | (I needed the others, specifically %c %a at the end so I could grep for "sleep 90") |
| 14:28.45 | freeaks | thanks again |
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| 14:29.17 | Iridos | the | pipes the output into the grep command... and a simple "|grep sleep" would have been sufficient |
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| 14:30.26 | Iridos | the [9]0 instead of a simple 90 is so that the output doesnt contain a "grep sleep 90" |
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| 14:31.04 | freeaks | i knew: simple ps command, i had never used variable in ps before, i just used ps to list processes with one format or another, with pipe grep to find one specific process in the list |
| 14:31.23 | freeaks | so i knew simple grep usage too |
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| 14:32.04 | freeaks | but your command was quite complex, now i understand better |
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| 14:53.02 | damian__ | hello guys.i have problems reading roms from the external hard drive in retropie |
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| 14:56.47 | troulouliou_dev | hi i have disable ipv6 on my box with ipv6.disable=1 kernel parameter; now when i want to install dovecot there is an install issue as the systemd service can start as it is listenign on :: 110 by default |
| 14:57.11 | troulouliou_dev | is there anyway to overcome this situation ? |
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| 15:00.59 | shay_shay | damian__: try #raspberrypi or #raspbian |
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| 15:02.02 | omer681 | Is there a simple way to prevent users from changing permissions in a specific directory? |
| 15:02.22 | shay_shay | omer681: if they don't own the directory |
| 15:02.30 | omer681 | I'm creating a "challenge" vm and I don't want users to mess with the files |
| 15:02.37 | shay_shay | give them group permissions but not ownership |
| 15:02.51 | omer681 | is there a way to do it while giving them ownership? |
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| 15:04.21 | shay_shay | I suppose you could try removing their execute permissions for chmod |
| 15:04.21 | shentino | make them a member of the group that owns the file |
| 15:04.23 | shentino | OR |
| 15:04.26 | shentino | you could use setfacl |
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| 15:04.32 | shentino | does the filesystem support acl? |
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| 15:05.17 | omer681 | it's ext4 |
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| 15:05.45 | omer681 | does it? |
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| 15:07.05 | shentino | it should if you have compiled in the proper supportt |
| 15:07.16 | omer681 | and I don't want to remove their execute permissions for chmod because I want them to change permissions in /tmp for example |
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| 15:09.47 | omer681 | shentino, how does acl help me? |
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| 15:10.35 | shentino | you cna give them access to the file without givving them permission changing privileges |
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| 15:12.01 | DrDamnit | Server mysteriously turned off twice in one week. We don't think it's power because nothing else on that circuit turned off at the same time. I've checked syslog, messages, daemon, and every other applicable log in /var/log/. They all stop at about the same time, but there are no warnigns or errors. Where else should I check? |
| 15:12.24 | omer681 | shentino, how? |
| 15:12.42 | shentino | what sort of access do you want them to have? |
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| 15:13.47 | sialialinux | Hi everyone |
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| 15:14.07 | phix | oh hi thair sialialinux |
| 15:14.43 | sialialinux | i have a problem with initrd.img |
| 15:14.53 | sialialinux | may I ask a question ?? |
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| 15:15.07 | phix | skylite: you may |
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| 15:15.16 | phix | You have my permission |
| 15:15.31 | sialialinux | tks |
| 15:15.45 | sialialinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.45 | sialialinux | couse initrd.img |
| 15:15.45 | sialialinux | It's debian jessie based livecd...I have just instaled my custom kernel into the distro. |
| 15:15.45 | sialialinux | The builded kernel works fine in the installed system,but when I try it on livecd it won't start |
| 15:15.45 | sialialinux | enyway If I use in the live filesystem the package unionfs-fuse ,and I remake initrd.img whith mkinitrdfs.... it start in live but neither networkmanger and bluethoot works |
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| 15:16.24 | shay_shay | heh |
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| 15:17.54 | omer681 | shentino, I want to disallow any permission changes in /home/ |
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| 15:18.04 | shentino | just /home or all subdirs? |
| 15:18.08 | omer681 | including all the files and folders there |
| 15:18.18 | shentino | you can't stop the file owner from changing perms |
| 15:18.29 | omer681 | but I want to |
| 15:18.34 | shentino | that's not possible |
| 15:18.38 | omer681 | if the file is located in a certain place |
| 15:18.58 | shentino | only way to do that is to use kernel intervention |
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| 15:19.10 | omer681 | and can I do that? with SELinux or something? |
| 15:19.14 | shentino | maybe |
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| 15:19.36 | WangDang_ | omer681: what about chattr? |
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| 15:19.43 | sialialinux | hi |
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| 15:20.03 | sialialinux | couse initrd.img |
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| 15:20.09 | sialialinux | It's debian jessie based livecd...I have just instaled my custom kernel into the distro. |
| 15:20.16 | sialialinux | The builded kernel works fine in the installed system,but when I try it on livecd it won't start |
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| 15:20.30 | shay_shay | sialialinux: and what's the question? |
| 15:20.36 | sialialinux | enyway If I use in the live filesystem the package unionfs-fuse ,and I remake initrd.img whith mkinitrdfs.... it start in live but neither networkmanger and bluethoot works |
| 15:20.50 | sialialinux | .there are every kind of firmwares installed :D ,it works fine with debian jessie livecd kernel |
| 15:20.52 | sialialinux | eh |
| 15:20.59 | sialialinux | the question is |
| 15:21.01 | sialialinux | why |
| 15:21.06 | sialialinux | it wont start |
| 15:21.20 | sialialinux | the problem is when I installed my custom kernel and rebuild the livecd |
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| 15:21.34 | sialialinux | "with a self built kernel. I am getting "(initramfs) mount: mounting aufs on /root failed: No such device Aufs mount failed" error, and it stops in the initramfs stage." |
| 15:21.44 | sialialinux | but with the |
| 15:21.50 | shay_shay | did you start with a working config or did you make one from scratch |
| 15:22.01 | sialialinux | working |
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| 15:22.11 | sialialinux | config and from scratch |
| 15:22.11 | shay_shay | and what changes did you make? |
| 15:22.16 | sialialinux | neither of them works |
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| 15:23.10 | sialialinux | but if I install the custom kernel in locale |
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| 15:23.30 | sialialinux | sorry in non live system it work perfectly |
| 15:23.53 | omer681 | WangDang_, how does chattr help me? |
| 15:24.16 | sialialinux | just added the 4.0.5 google firmware |
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| 15:24.22 | troulouliou_dev | hi where is the service file located for postfix on debioan 8 ?? |
| 15:24.36 | aedinius | Same place all the other service files are located |
| 15:24.42 | sialialinux | but and apple firmware- |
| 15:24.44 | shay_shay | si |
| 15:24.58 | sialialinux | ma siete italiani ??? |
| 15:25.01 | troulouliou_dev | aedinius, i cant see a postfix.service file in /lib/systemd/system |
| 15:25.20 | aedinius | Do you have postfix installed? |
| 15:25.31 | troulouliou_dev | aedinius, yes and running as master |
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| 15:25.42 | aedinius | ah, hm, i dunno then |
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| 15:26.37 | japesinator | so I'm getting an error from gcc |
| 15:27.08 | japesinator | "error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory |
| 15:27.17 | japesinator | so I reinstalled g++ because google told me to |
| 15:27.24 | japesinator | but that hasn't done anything |
| 15:27.27 | japesinator | what else can I try? |
| 15:27.36 | sialialinux | nothings ????? |
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| 15:28.16 | japesinator | what? |
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| 15:30.55 | yelvxiuge | did you know ruby on rails |
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| 15:31.23 | aedinius | japesinator: aptitude install build-essential |
| 15:31.26 | aedinius | japesinator: then try again |
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| 15:31.41 | yelvxiuge | ? |
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| 15:34.25 | japesinator | aedinius: I tried that, still the same error |
| 15:34.30 | maazu | gotta go |
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| 15:35.06 | aedinius | japesinator: what command are you running? |
| 15:35.12 | c0fe | how can i install ruby 1.8 on debian 8.1? |
| 15:35.38 | japesinator | aedinius: cabal install double-conversion |
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| 15:35.58 | aedinius | japesinator: and you installed g++ ? |
| 15:36.17 | c0fe | All I keep getting is version 1.9 but don't need that |
| 15:36.19 | yelvxiuge | my pc instlled kail |
| 15:36.28 | japesinator | installed and reinstalled |
| 15:36.35 | yelvxiuge | kail is a kind of debian |
| 15:36.51 | WangDang_ | omer681: Sorry, apparently it does nothing for you. I misunderstood |
| 15:37.40 | omer681 | WangDang_, actually, if I use the +i flag it prevents users from changing permissions |
| 15:37.46 | omer681 | so that's exactly what I searched for, thanks |
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| 15:38.28 | WangDang_ | hmm, I just tested that with +i on a directory and was able to change perms on the files in it |
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| 15:38.39 | WangDang_ | how did you get it to work? |
| 15:39.10 | shentino | +i also prevents all changes to the file |
| 15:39.22 | japesinator | aedinius: is there anything else I can try? |
| 15:39.36 | omer681 | WangDang_, I set +i on the file |
| 15:39.55 | c0fe | i have tried apt-get install ruby1.8 but it does not find anything |
| 15:39.57 | WangDang_ | omer681: but then, what shentino just said |
| 15:40.10 | omer681 | that's what I want |
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| 15:40.16 | omer681 | they shouldn't change anything in their home folders |
| 15:40.27 | aedinius | c0fe: Why do you want such an old version of ruby? |
| 15:40.33 | WangDang_ | Ah, well, happy ending then! |
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| 15:40.42 | c0fe | aedinius: openvz web gui requires it |
| 15:41.40 | aedinius | Ruby 1.8.7+ (1.9 is not supported) |
| 15:41.45 | aedinius | wow, that sounds... horrible. |
| 15:41.54 | aedinius | c0fe: You could always build it yourself, or look into rbenv |
| 15:42.02 | c0fe | ok i will look into that |
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| 15:42.31 | sialialinux | it's says modprobe error: module ehci-orion not found in modules.dep |
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| 15:43.05 | c0fe | Does docker have any benefits over openvz? |
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| 15:51.03 | aedinius | that's a weird error. kernel:[1598520.811504] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 32s! |
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| 15:52.01 | Walex | aedinius: pretty common in various cases |
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| 15:52.28 | aedinius | but it's my only cpu! |
| 15:52.55 | aedinius | seems to be related to xfs |
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| 15:54.46 | spaceone | hi |
| 15:54.50 | aedinius | hi |
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| 15:55.24 | Krakakanok | hi spaceone and aedinius |
| 15:55.35 | spaceone | when is (or is it already) python3 the default python version in debian? |
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| 15:56.08 | Krakakanok | i dont know spacebison |
| 15:56.16 | Krakakanok | spaceone* |
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| 15:56.58 | Krakakanok | there are too many programs using the 2 version of python now |
| 15:57.14 | spaceone | okay |
| 15:57.30 | aedinius | You can always manually specify python3 |
| 15:57.33 | spaceone | so, it may last still some years :) ? |
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| 15:58.18 | sialialinux | so how can I fix it ??? |
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| 16:01.01 | Iridos | judd, versions python |
| 16:01.02 | judd | Package: python on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; stretch: 2.7.9-1; sid: 2.7.9-1; jessie: 2.7.9-1 |
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| 16:01.39 | Iridos | spaceone, packages don't change version in the stable release of debian |
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| 16:02.43 | Iridos | anyway.... I think my debian systems had python2 and python3 installed next to each other at least since squeeze |
| 16:02.48 | Iridos | judd, versions python3 |
| 16:02.49 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.3-6; stretch: 3.4.2-2; jessie: 3.4.2-2; sid: 3.4.2-2; experimental: 3.4.3-2 |
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| 16:10.01 | spaceone | Iridos: i won't ;) |
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| 16:10.36 | Iridos | spaceone, won't what |
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| 16:13.32 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
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| 16:14.07 | rysiek|pl | so, I'm generating a dhparam file for a TLS-enabled something |
| 16:14.12 | rysiek|pl | and it's taking ages |
| 16:14.17 | rysiek|pl | as in, more than 15mins by now |
| 16:14.26 | rysiek|pl | I used: openssl dhparam -out "$DHPARAM_FILE" 4096 |
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| 16:14.34 | rysiek|pl | should I wait, or should I start worrying? |
| 16:14.43 | srg | make some entropy |
| 16:15.12 | rysiek|pl | thing is, I'm monitoring entropy with |
| 16:15.13 | rysiek|pl | cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail |
| 16:15.22 | rysiek|pl | and it's at 1000+ all the time |
| 16:15.39 | rysiek|pl | between 1400 and 1800, actually |
| 16:15.57 | srg | hm, maybe something is wrong with your command (the variable or quotes or something) |
| 16:16.16 | srg | anything weird in ps? or lsof |
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| 16:16.54 | j` | These are not the droids you're looking for! |
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| 16:17.25 | srg | Anyone know if Stretch has the GUI version of octave? |
| 16:17.34 | srg | I installed octave, but it only opens in a terminal. |
| 16:18.10 | rysiek|pl | srg: the variable seems fine, the message before that command, (echoing the contents of the var) is: +-- generating dhparam in /etc/ssl/nginx/dhparam.pem |
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| 16:22.50 | rysiek|pl | weird |
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| 16:24.18 | srg | Would the grub bootloader handle a triple boot of windows, freebsd, and debian? |
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| 16:24.34 | srg | I have a 1 TB drive and an old system and I'd like to have all three OSs installed. |
| 16:24.57 | srg | rysiek|pl: yeah, i'm not sure. |
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| 16:32.48 | jerf | Hi everybody |
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| 16:34.24 | jerf | On Jessie, when come from sleep, my laptop don't up eth0, It need an ifup eth0 Any idea ? |
| 16:34.48 | SynrG | do you use /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:35.05 | SynrG | if you have eth0 in there, do you have 'auto eth0' or 'allow-hotpplug eth0'? |
| 16:35.14 | SynrG | allow-hotplug* |
| 16:35.24 | jerf | allow-hotplug |
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| 16:35.29 | SynrG | that's fine, then |
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| 16:35.51 | SynrG | and you have an inet stanza for it? |
| 16:35.55 | phix | GandalfTheWizard: What colour is your beard? |
| 16:36.01 | SynrG | i guess you do if 'ifup eth0' works |
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| 16:36.04 | jerf | An ethtool eth0 show the interface as not connected :( |
| 16:36.35 | jerf | Yes, I have an iface eth0 unet dhcp |
| 16:36.41 | jerf | *inet |
| 16:37.14 | SynrG | i guess you need to poke around the logs and see what happens around when it wakes from sleep |
| 16:37.18 | SynrG | see if you can spot some errors |
| 16:37.28 | SynrG | dmesg, /var/log/syslog or so |
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| 16:37.50 | SynrG | journalctl if on systemd |
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| 16:38.21 | jerf | alx 0000:02:00.0: no hotplug settings from platform |
| 16:38.27 | jerf | seem intersting |
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| 16:40.24 | SynrG | jerf: you could poke around here, see if anyone reports something similar: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/alx |
| 16:40.34 | SynrG | ,kernels |
| 16:40.35 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 4.0.0-2-686-pae (4.0.5-1); stretch: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u2) |
| 16:40.41 | SynrG | no backport kernel to try, sadly |
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| 16:41.57 | SynrG | jerf: not sure if the 'no hotplug settings from platform' means anything. seems to be common |
| 16:42.10 | jerf | Well, I don't know systemd enough, Really need to learn more about it |
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| 16:42.43 | ahtapot | hey what is standard live iso? which de or no de at all? |
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| 16:43.36 | jerf | Damn, must go. Thanks all of you, I will be back later to try again. |
| 16:43.47 | greycat | "The live images come in several "flavors", several providing a choice of desktop environments (GNOME, KDE, LXDE, Xfce, Cinnamon and MATE) and one text console flavor: standard." |
| 16:43.48 | jerf | Thanks anyway for all your clues |
| 16:43.57 | greycat | from https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
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| 16:44.21 | SynrG | http://marc.info/?l=linux-pci&m=140858012729313 |
| 16:44.50 | SynrG | <linus> ... basically repeating mindlessly for each PCI device. It's insane. Itadds zero value. Why do we print out those inane messages? |
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| 16:45.08 | mcsmurf | hi, I wonder why this package https://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nfdump.html is not in included in current stable and testing release |
| 16:45.10 | SynrG | so ... yeah. not so interesting :) |
| 16:45.29 | mcsmurf | does the link/message behind "[2014-02-23] nfdump REMOVED from testing (Britney)" give the reasons for that? I'm not that familiar with this system.. |
| 16:45.32 | SynrG | see also https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84391 |
| 16:45.47 | ahtapot | greycat, thanks. also quick questions above those de's lightest weight is the xfce right? |
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| 16:45.59 | greycat | I really have no idea about any of them. |
| 16:46.10 | ahtapot | thanks anyway |
| 16:46.26 | SynrG | ahtapot: no. lxde is lightest |
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| 16:47.14 | ahtapot | SynrG, thank you |
| 16:47.17 | SynrG | ahtapot: however, 'light' is a subjective term. if you want to compare them, try both. |
| 16:47.27 | SynrG | draw your own conclusions |
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| 16:49.25 | ahtapot | my professor asked me to install linux on his laptop. to use openfoam. probably he wont use linux for any other thing. so probably best idea is the be stable and keep the traditional looking desktop and keep the resources for the cfd calculations i thought. so i chose debian and now lxde. |
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| 16:49.31 | SynrG | ahtapot: image size is not a good indicator of "lightness", in other words. run them both and have a look at the memory footprint. last time i did this exercise, LXDE was lighter |
| 16:49.46 | SynrG | however, xfce4 is more "point and click" |
| 16:50.06 | ahtapot | point click? |
| 16:50.13 | SynrG | whereas while there are many GUI interfaces to configure lxde, some configurations need conf file editing |
| 16:51.00 | SynrG | especially since you're supporting someone else, not yourself, i would carefully evaluate both myself, if i were you |
| 16:51.19 | SynrG | i prefer LXDE for personal use, while continuing to use XFCE4 for my family members whom I support |
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| 16:51.29 | greycat | "which one can a non-linux person most easily adapt to" may be a far more important question than "which one takes more memory" here |
| 16:51.35 | SynrG | yep |
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| 16:52.10 | greycat | I do adore how neither KDE nor GNOME is being offered as an answer by anyone. |
| 16:52.17 | ahtapot | so xfce is more likely to windows then? |
| 16:52.21 | SynrG | heh |
| 16:52.34 | SynrG | it's a pretty smooth transition from windows to xfce4, yes |
| 16:52.42 | SynrG | most users easily adapt |
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| 16:53.16 | ahtapot | ok thanks for the advices |
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| 16:53.22 | SynrG | it's a good choice for a low resource, "just work, dammit" desktop |
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| 16:53.54 | ahtapot | by the way debian 8.1 uses the latest xfce? |
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| 16:54.28 | SynrG | ahtapot: i doubt it. typically stable releases lag behind a bit because it takes time to QA the whole system before release ... |
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| 16:54.37 | SynrG | i don't know this for certain, though |
| 16:54.50 | SynrG | why should "latest" matter? |
| 16:55.05 | SynrG | i think "proven & tested" would be more valuable in a stable release. |
| 16:55.08 | ahtapot | not really just read good comments about it thats all |
| 16:55.18 | SynrG | when did the latest stable release, then? |
| 16:55.46 | ahtapot | february |
| 16:55.56 | SynrG | debian includes 4.12.1 |
| 16:56.07 | ahtapot | yea thats it |
| 16:56.14 | SynrG | lucky timing, then |
| 16:56.46 | SynrG | other desktops weren't so lucky (still at kde4, not 5) |
| 16:57.13 | SynrG | oh, wait |
| 16:57.16 | SynrG | ,v xfce4 |
| 16:57.17 | judd | Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.1; sid: 4.12.1 |
| 16:57.22 | SynrG | nope. 4.10.1 |
| 16:57.29 | SynrG | only stretch has 4.12.1. sorry |
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| 16:57.40 | SynrG | and that's testing. you don't want to install that for your prof. |
| 16:57.58 | SynrG | ahtapot: sorry about that. i checked the wrong system |
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| 17:03.27 | Iridos | I guess I should try xfce4 |
| 17:03.35 | Iridos | can't be worse than gnome-shell |
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| 17:07.34 | srg | I prefer xfce. |
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| 17:08.10 | hassoon | i prefer kde |
| 17:08.28 | mtn | I prefer gnome ;) |
| 17:08.39 | arpc | i prefer i3 ... tiling is much better :) |
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| 17:09.24 | pencilandpaper | yeah i use xfce4 as well. |
| 17:09.41 | hassoon | yeah |
| 17:09.41 | hassoon | bith kde and i3 |
| 17:09.41 | at0m|c | there's tiling scripts for kde |
| 17:09.41 | hassoon | both * |
| 17:09.41 | pencilandpaper | i honestly prefer jwm but its so difficult to configure properly. |
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| 17:09.44 | hassoon | at0m|c: they are bad, i tried them |
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| 17:09.59 | Iridos | never could get used to tiling |
| 17:10.12 | hassoon | at0m|c: either they end up crashing the whole environmment, or they just don't satisfy me |
| 17:10.13 | at0m|c | got a puny lil screen, not much tiling here ); |
| 17:10.15 | srg | I've never usd tiling |
| 17:10.15 | arpc | Iridos: force yourself to use it for like a week, youll never want to go back |
| 17:10.28 | srg | Anyone use enlightenment? |
| 17:10.36 | hassoon | srg: sure |
| 17:10.46 | srg | how do you feel about it? |
| 17:11.01 | Iridos | arpc, no effin way could I use that for a whole week |
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| 17:11.32 | hassoon | srg: visually, it looks awesome, everything is hardware-accelerated graphically, but its features didn't satisfy me |
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| 17:11.54 | hassoon | kde offers a wider ranger of customizations, especially the keybindings |
| 17:11.55 | srg | ahh |
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| 17:12.00 | arpc | Iridos: some people prefer floating, but personalyl I love the fact that I dont have to mess with window sizes or positions |
| 17:12.14 | arpc | and the 1 workspace per physical screen i3 has is simply amazing |
| 17:12.21 | srg | I think I used one of the big two (kde and gnome) only once, and it was many years ago |
| 17:12.49 | crash_ | i'm using pekwm and it's working good for me :) |
| 17:13.03 | Iridos | arpc, $ wmctrl -l | wc -l --> 25 |
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| 17:14.24 | pencilandpaper | i have srg ..but the compositor had issues with conky..and it caused all shadows of applications to remain on the screen even after closing the applications. |
| 17:14.51 | pencilandpaper | i dont know if that is still a issue with the newest enlightenment though. this was e17 beta basically. |
| 17:15.43 | pencilandpaper | i used e17 stable too though but didnt have conky up..so it worked just fine. you have to get used to it though and learn the names of the default apps, like the file manager, etc..so that you can open them from terminal if you want it opened as root..things like that. |
| 17:15.50 | pencilandpaper | once you do that you can get nice with enlightenment. |
| 17:16.21 | pencilandpaper | nice crash_ . i am using Xfce but i may end up with jwm installed once i make a .deb of some packages that make it easier to configure. |
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| 17:24.52 | sialialinux | Anyway the problem was that I didn't compile the kernel with aufs patch |
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| 17:39.39 | JohnnyL | Why are some of my terminal sessions locking up? If I mouse over the one that locks the pointer vanishes! |
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| 17:40.16 | JohnnyL | Aparently key combos take about 25 seconds to resolve. |
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| 17:41.14 | JohnnyL | now they are immediate. |
| 17:41.21 | JohnnyL | is this a new dbus thing? |
| 17:41.23 | centrx | You fixed it! yay |
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| 17:42.13 | JohnnyL | centrx: yeah, the terminal session came back. |
| 17:42.17 | JohnnyL | how can i debug this? |
| 17:42.35 | jelly | JohnnyL: do you mean a terminal emulator window when you say "terminal session"? |
| 17:43.09 | JohnnyL | jelly: konsole |
| 17:43.42 | JohnnyL | i rebooted too . |
| 17:44.02 | JohnnyL | aparently it's also dependant on secondary memory (disk) |
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| 17:45.20 | jelly | perhaps your system is under some sort of resource constraint (cpu load, or memory load, or disk load) and the konsole application is just slow |
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| 17:48.50 | rolly | wizzy 7.8 xfce terminal cut-n-paste not working, either with the keys or trackpad. Any way to cut and paste there? |
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| 17:50.25 | JohnnyL | well? |
| 17:50.27 | JohnnyL | nothing? |
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| 17:50.36 | Raazeer | hi all, I've got an issue during boot since I migrated to jessie. If I don't enter the password for my encrypted volumes right away something in the background times out and the whole boot locks up. |
| 17:50.39 | JohnnyL | maybe it's cinnamon? |
| 17:50.50 | JohnnyL | since the key combo was also stuck. |
| 17:51.15 | JohnnyL | Raazeer: fsck? |
| 17:51.30 | Raazeer | JohnnyL, what about fsck? |
| 17:51.32 | JohnnyL | Raazeer: guesing |
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| 17:51.59 | JohnnyL | Raazeer: maybe look for the timeout setting |
| 17:52.00 | JohnnyL | ?" |
| 17:52.35 | JohnnyL | Raazeer: i don't think i'd survive linux if I didn't have access to an internet search engine! |
| 17:53.17 | Raazeer | JohnnyL, I'd be happy to tweak all the timeouts I can find if I knew where, but it seems it isn't any of the thingys that have static config files. |
| 17:53.46 | Raazeer | seems it's some kind of generated job, proably related to LVM if I read the meager hints I have correctly. |
| 17:54.00 | rolly | it's a bizarre, convoluted, queer joke |
| 17:54.24 | Raazeer | rolly what is/ |
| 17:54.56 | Raazeer | JohnnyL, all I know is it has something to do with systemd. |
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| 17:55.51 | rolly | linux wasn't this fcuked up back in the 1990s |
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| 17:56.02 | Raazeer | JohnnyL, I'm lying actually, I know something else: If I can't resolve this stupid issue today, I'm going to order myself a copy of windows. |
| 17:56.11 | Raazeer | rolly, you said it brother. |
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| 17:56.47 | centrx | The files are in the computer. |
| 17:56.59 | Raazeer | back then you could do boot ordering with a pen and a pencil, those days it's almost as convoluted and difficult to debug as windows. |
| 17:57.02 | tortib | I'm looking for a white hat to assist me with something please message me if interested it's a paying job. |
| 17:57.02 | jelly | !systemd debugging |
| 17:57.02 | dpkg | If you have a problem with systemd, see https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Debugging and http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/ for more information on how to debug the issue. If it's a boot problem, start by using systemd.unit=rescue.target systemd.log_target=kmsg systemd.log_level=debug on the kernel command line to get more information |
| 17:57.06 | jelly | Raazeer: ^^ |
| 17:57.18 | rolly | windows7 is at least as dependable and relaible to get the job done than modern linux. Who could've imagined such role reversal quarter of a century after linux birth |
| 17:57.49 | centrx | rolly, What are you referring to? |
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| 17:58.32 | Raazeer | rolly, that's the tragedy of today's linux world, that it has become so political and convoluted that old *nix heads seriously consider migrating to a closed source OS. |
| 17:58.57 | rolly | linux 1.* vs MS-WIndows and linux 2015 vs windows7 |
| 17:59.03 | jelly | centrx: don't feed the offtopic, let's keep here this channel for actual tech support |
| 17:59.44 | Raazeer | jelly, if it were that easy, would I be here? |
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| 18:00.23 | Raazeer | jelly, I know roughly where the problem lies, I just can't find any documentation to actually solve the problem. |
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| 18:00.54 | jelly | Raazeer: do you have output with those boot params enabled, then? |
| 18:01.03 | Raazeer | jelly, all I need to do is find the jobs that time out (easy) and find where I can configure their timeout(almost impossible since they are generated jobs that don't have actual config files) |
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| 18:01.40 | JohnnyL | Linux has always had a history since I've been using it off and on (mostly on) since 1999. I can't like I like the politics in anything technical or scientific. |
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| 18:02.02 | JohnnyL | Raazeer: thats what I mean't systemd. |
| 18:02.06 | jelly | Raazeer: they shouldn't timeout at all; they should wait until the unencrypted PV appears |
| 18:02.15 | tortib | I'm looking for a white hat to assist me with something please message me if interested it's a paying job. |
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| 18:02.47 | Raazeer | jelly, I can enable those options just to get it black on white, but I'm not gonna dig up my vt220 just to get the serial console running |
| 18:02.52 | JohnnyL | linux needs a standardization committe but nothing of corporate sponserships. |
| 18:02.56 | Raazeer | I'm not even sure my board _has_ a serial console. |
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| 18:03.48 | Raazeer | jelly, exactly, they shouldn't time out. Maybe it's job ordering rather than a timeout issue. they should be started after the password prompt comes back and not parallel to it. |
| 18:03.48 | JohnnyL | i feel Linus is about to give up his reigns based on recent tech news. |
| 18:04.09 | Raazeer | JohnnyL, what reins? The kernel is hardly the problem. |
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| 18:04.21 | jelly | Raazeer: wild speculation is I fear not useful |
| 18:04.35 | Raazeer | jelly, so can you tell me how to change job ordering and/or timeouts of generated jobs? |
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| 18:05.08 | jelly | Raazeer: I can't. I can tell you how to get at more useful output, and where to ask next (#debian-systemd over on irc.oftc.net) |
| 18:05.21 | JohnnyL | Raazeer: yes, hoever there is leadership and quiet directives based on princple and operations of code generations. |
| 18:05.35 | Raazeer | jelly, that helps actually. thanks. |
| 18:06.00 | jelly | Raazeer: strongly suggest you do the legwork first instead of coming in there with basically just a plausible theory |
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| 18:06.40 | Raazeer | jelly, actually It's more than just a plausible story. |
| 18:07.05 | Raazeer | it's one that I haven't _quite_ got written proof for yet. |
| 18:07.06 | JohnnyL | centralizing power seems to be the ethos of the new crue. it should be numerous amounts of tiny programs interating each other through a text interface. is this the definition of systemd? |
| 18:07.45 | Raazeer | JohnnyL, so far nobody could actually give me a compelling reason why we need systemd at all. |
| 18:07.54 | Raazeer | all it did for me so far is create problems. |
| 18:08.22 | JohnnyL | Raazeer: yes and it could very well define the problem I've been having now too. |
| 18:08.53 | Raazeer | jelly, the next thing I'm going to do is learn enough about journald that I can find out where I can find hardcopy of the messages it throws out. |
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| 18:09.15 | JohnnyL | The biggest thing i don't like about linux is looking up up bugs in configuration settings. windows and linux are absolutely inverse to each other on almost every issue. |
| 18:09.33 | JohnnyL | or rather the bugs that require specific programming of configuration settings. |
| 18:09.47 | arpc | Is there a way to retry mounting cifs file system if the server is unreachable? |
| 18:10.08 | arpc | the client and the host are in the same machine and sometimes fail because they are turned on at the same time |
| 18:10.26 | JohnnyL | xml, a=b, [section here] a=b, echo > proc (but I like proc the best), we should've just stuck with /proc |
| 18:10.59 | JohnnyL | proc needs much more in terms of man pages and typical examples. |
| 18:11.21 | JohnnyL | and bluetooth under debian is impossible |
| 18:11.29 | JohnnyL | ubuntu it's a 4 seconds point and click. |
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| 18:11.41 | jelly | JohnnyL: keep this channel for tech support. #debian-offtopic on the other hand welcomes exasperated monologues |
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| 18:12.51 | Raazeer | jelly, one last question before I go break my boot repeatedly: do I have to configure anything particular to make journald log waiting jobs? |
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| 18:15.23 | jelly | Raazeer: I have no idea, did you try booting with the above (and log_buf_len=1M to make more lines of systemd's stuff keep in dmesg log) |
| 18:15.33 | JohnnyL | hey again jelly. how have you been? |
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| 18:15.38 | JohnnyL | opps sorry. |
| 18:15.39 | JohnnyL | ha! |
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| 18:16.36 | Raazeer | jelly, not yet. |
| 18:16.53 | rolly | agree agree, the kernel is fine , it's the low quality of the distros and the apps...classic case of you get what you pay for |
| 18:17.00 | Raazeer | jelly since I basicly have to hard-reboot every time, I'd rather not do this more often than absolutely necessary. |
| 18:17.24 | JohnnyL | jelly: so what no help if my terminal locks again? it's happened more than once and it doesn't seem to be by a consumer triggering. |
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| 18:20.01 | jelly | JohnnyL: I'd start by looking at the usual performance/load tools, like "top", and "vmstat 1", leave each running in a side window and see if they show anything |
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| 18:22.40 | Raazeer | I sure hope lilo doesn't choke on all those fancy commandline options. |
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| 18:23.22 | JohnTalent | jelly: you must understand that the locking of my TERMINALS and key combos to access them are LOCKED so I can't TOP or do anything else text based. |
| 18:23.27 | JohnTalent | <---johnnyl |
| 18:23.56 | jelly | JohnTalent: start them right now, put the windows on the side, and see what they say when that starts happening |
| 18:24.10 | greycat | or ssh in from another machine... |
| 18:24.36 | JohnTalent | jelly: right. well. you have to unerstand that the processing locks. but I will do as you say as the only measure. |
| 18:24.43 | JohnTalent | greycat: ok! |
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| 18:25.57 | Raazeer | jelly, if I'm not back in ten minutes, I've destroyed my boot config and won't be back today. |
| 18:26.09 | AngeFede | bonsuaire à tous et à toutes |
| 18:26.14 | jelly | Raazeer: Great! I'll be off in ten minutes :-D |
| 18:26.30 | jelly | !fr |
| 18:26.31 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 18:28.04 | Iridos | well, well... perhaps should have told him there's an easy way to check if re-booting will work ^^ |
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| 18:31.23 | jhutchins | Iridos: What were you thinking of? |
| 18:31.49 | Iridos | was just kidding |
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| 18:34.33 | jhutchins | I'd love to see a menu emulator for grub that would let you see the menu without rebooting. |
| 18:34.50 | jdennis1 | Ok, so I just upgraded some of my serversion from Wheezy to Jessie. We use "nagios" for server monitoring. Looks like the version of "nagios3" under Jessie is old even for debian stable standards. I see that there are "icinga2" and "shinken" debian packages in Jessie and those are Nagios compatible. Should I consider switching to one of those? |
| 18:34.55 | Shadur | There's grub-set-default, but... |
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| 18:36.15 | Iridos | judd, versions nagios3 |
| 18:36.16 | judd | Package: nagios3 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.2.1-2+squeeze1; squeeze: 3.2.1-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 3.2.3-3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.4.1-3+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 3.4.1-5~bpo7+1; stretch: 3.5.1.dfsg-2+b1; sid: 3.5.1.dfsg-2+b1; jessie: 3.5.1.dfsg-2+b1 |
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| 18:38.55 | Iridos | jhutchins, anyway, he only changed some boot options? should be simple enough to und... |
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| 18:39.44 | xingu | https://www.nagios.org/projects/nagioscore/history/core-3x ... looks like jessie is up to date unless I missed something. |
| 18:41.35 | xingu | also, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=734453#10 |
| 18:41.36 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/734453 in nagios3 (open, wontfix): «nagios3: Please package v.4»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-01-07; last modified: 2014-01-07. |
| 18:41.39 | jhutchins | jdennis1: It probably depends on what you're monitoring. |
| 18:41.48 | jdennis1 | Nagios 4 has been out for what seems like quite a while, was surprised the newest nagios version on Jessie is still on the 3.x |
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| 18:42.06 | Iridos | jdennis1, 3.5.1 is old for a nagios3? |
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| 18:42.15 | jhutchins | jdennis1: I've just started working with omdistro and checkmk which are a bit like incinga and build on nagios. icinga is just a rewrite with a web front end. |
| 18:42.34 | jhutchins | ,v nagios4 |
| 18:42.35 | judd | No package named 'nagios4' was found in amd64. |
| 18:42.47 | jdennis1 | Iridos: no, that is the newest on the 3.x version, but it appears as though they stopped working on it and put all efforts into nagios 4 |
| 18:43.02 | xingu | this is discussed in the link I just pasted. |
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| 18:44.41 | Iridos | yeah, interesting |
| 18:44.48 | jdennis1 | xingu: thank you, that is the kind of info I'm looking for |
| 18:44.54 | Iridos | nice to read that I spent learning the last couple of months about a dead horse |
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| 18:45.07 | xingu | hands Iridos a whip to flog it with |
| 18:45.09 | jdennis1 | sometimes I feel like Debian tries to push it's users to a replacement of packages, but yet both are still avaialble, trying to figure out if it's one of those situations |
| 18:46.01 | jdennis1 | for example, the version of mysql in Jessie is the exact same as is in Wheezy....... no update at all, feels like pushing users to use the newer MariaDB |
| 18:46.37 | greycat | !sns |
| 18:46.38 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 18:47.13 | Iridos | xingu, \o/'''âââ~~~~~~~ |
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| 18:48.36 | Iridos | ? |
| 18:48.42 | greycat | Racist /msg spam. |
| 18:48.54 | shentino | report it to #freenode |
| 18:48.55 | Iridos | oh, got it, too |
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| 18:49.50 | jdennis1 | wow, the Icinga2 web interface looks really nice(checking out screen shots) |
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| 19:16.32 | arpc | How can I debug services that appear to be starting but are not? systemctl start apache2 reports not errors, yet apache is not running |
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| 19:16.37 | arpc | nor error logs |
| 19:17.14 | greycat | Start with "systemctl status apache2" and see if that reports anything helpful. |
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| 19:18.11 | arpc | active exited ... 14 mins ago |
| 19:18.18 | arpc | with code 0 |
| 19:18.37 | arpc | and yet not running o.O |
| 19:18.46 | greycat | If there's nothing else in systemctl, look in /var/log/apache2/error* |
| 19:19.15 | arpc | nope, last entry 14 mins ago I have been trying to start it since then |
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| 19:21.10 | greycat | you've been typing "systemctl start" all this time, and never "systemctl restart"? |
| 19:21.35 | greycat | I don't know whether "start" decides that it should do nothing in these cases. I just don't have the experience with systemd yet. |
| 19:22.09 | arpc | alright, after a reboot its running only on ipv6 something is funky with apache |
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| 19:29.25 | jhutchins | arpc: When it says "active exited..." it means that it's enabled for systemd to start, but has shut down. |
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| 19:31.40 | arpc | jhutchins: ah makes sense, still kinda new to systemd |
| 19:32.53 | greycat | jhutchins: so, do you want "restart" then? |
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| 19:33.37 | greycat | Or is the system just not defined correctly (should restart but it was defined as one-shot)? |
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| 19:33.51 | alfiepates | has anyone setup a paperless filing system? |
| 19:34.06 | arpc | greycat: yea restart seems to have worked, it was propably confused because I had killalled apache |
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| 19:35.32 | greycat | I'm used to daemontools, where everything respawns automatically unless you do "svc -d". |
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| 19:37.57 | basil1x | Has anyone tried the 8/8.1 32/64 installer on a Transformer Book T100? |
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| 19:39.53 | basil1x | Has that stupid 32bit EFI / 64bit CPU nonsense they've been doing to tablets so linux won't boot on them without much nonsense. |
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| 19:44.15 | jhutchins | greycat: I've seen two instances where niether the init-style commands nor the new systemctl commands would do anything for a restart, Networking on an upgrade and MySQL on a clean install. |
| 19:44.37 | jhutchins | greycat: restart is supposed to be supported. |
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| 19:46.11 | jhutchins | For mysql we just killed the process and started again, for Networking ifdown/ifup did what I needed. |
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| 19:47.08 | jhutchins | alfiepates: Theoretically, yes. I still have plenty of paper. Are you talking about some kind of meta-document-management application? |
| 19:47.29 | NobodyHere | Hi all - I feel like I'm missing something obvious. I'm trying to build a package for jessie with features enabled via extra options to configure. From looking at the config.log, what I'm setting in DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS in debian/rules is not being passed along to configure. I've googled my brains out on this and studied other rules files to no avail. |
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| 19:47.31 | alfiepates | somewhat, preferably CLI-based |
| 19:48.43 | jhutchins | alfiepates: Clearly you have something specific in mind, but I don't know what you mean. Documents stored in a hierarchical filesystem are technically digitally filed. |
| 19:49.39 | jhutchins | alfiepates: I know that KDE4 was trying to track metadata on everything for global search, but for me it failed miserably. (FOUR databases just for email?) |
| 19:49.41 | alfiepates | i'd like to automate the scanning/OCR/organisation of my documents |
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| 19:50.11 | isthisreallife | hi |
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| 19:52.04 | isthisreallife | i tried to install operating system image on micro sd card liek in this example -> dd bs=4M if=2015-05-05-raspbian-wheezy.img of=/dev/sdd |
| 19:52.07 | jhutchins | alfiepates: http://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2014/166/Paperwork-Document-Manager |
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| 19:52.20 | isthisreallife | now my sd card wont mount |
| 19:52.22 | isthisreallife | why is that |
| 19:52.25 | isthisreallife | how to fix it |
| 19:52.44 | greycat | The .img file may not be a single file system image. |
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| 19:52.59 | alfiepates | jhutchins: nice! this is the kinda thing I was looking for. does it have a CLI? |
| 19:53.02 | greycat | Is it *supposed* to be mountable as a file system? |
| 19:53.10 | isthisreallife | yes |
| 19:53.13 | jhutchins | isthisreallife: How did you try mounting it? WHat happened when you did? |
| 19:53.13 | isthisreallife | i think |
| 19:53.34 | jhutchins | isthisreallife: If it's supposed to be mountable you should be able to mount the iso via loopback. |
| 19:53.35 | greycat | I'd see if it shows up as a disk with a partition table. |
| 19:53.36 | alfiepates | I can live with the GUI but I prefer to use the CLI where possible |
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| 19:54.14 | isthisreallife | hmm i inserted sd card again to laptop and i dont see it |
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| 19:55.55 | basil1x | has had nothing but trouble with µSD cards. They don't like playing videos, they go unexpectedly funny and refuse to do aught. Given up I have. |
| 19:56.20 | nmschulte | Does anyone use udiskie (UDisks2 front-end)? |
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| 19:57.00 | nmschulte | I've installed python3-udiskie, and when running the bin (udiskie), I receive the following error from Python: ImportError: No module named 'pkg_resources' |
| 19:57.42 | nmschulte | It looks like I need the `python3-setuptools` package (assuming it exists), given other bug reports (circa q4 2013). Looks like the package is just missing a dependency in the archives. |
| 19:58.12 | isthisreallife | sd card doesnt show up in disk manager |
| 19:58.41 | greycat | isthisreallife: have you tried "file *.img" on the original downloaded file yet? |
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| 20:00.40 | isthisreallife | https://dpaste.de/LL6S ??? greycat |
| 20:01.09 | greycat | Well, that certainly sounds like a disk image with a partition table. |
| 20:01.31 | greycat | Does it not show up as a disk device in "dmesg | tail"? |
| 20:02.46 | isthisreallife | https://dpaste.de/aTip |
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| 20:03.46 | greycat | I don't know what those "error -22" mean, but the part before that looks good. |
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| 20:04.53 | greycat | Figure out what device "mmcblk0" is, or maybe just try "sudo parted -l" to list everything. |
| 20:05.13 | NobodyHere | Hi all - I feel like I'm missing something obvious. I'm trying to build a package for jessie with features enabled via extra options to configure. From looking at the config.log, what I'm setting in DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS in debian/rules is not being passed along to configure. I've googled my brains out on this and studied other rules files to no avail. |
| 20:06.16 | isthisreallife | https://dpaste.de/uKqq greycat |
| 20:06.40 | greycat | Seems happy. |
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| 20:09.02 | jhutchins | !package recompile |
| 20:09.03 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 20:10.48 | jhutchins | NobodyHere: I was hoping that would have more support info. |
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| 20:25.12 | Thasan | any good replacement for denyhosts? |
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| 20:28.08 | isthisreallife | i formatted sd card using gparted, now im getting the following error: https://dpaste.de/HJgM |
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| 20:32.42 | arpc | isthisreallife: have you make the filesystem? |
| 20:32.46 | arpc | made* |
| 20:33.08 | arpc | Thasan: iptables? |
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| 20:34.53 | Thasan | already using iptables, I found fail2ban, but I dont know will it work with my current ip tables :S |
| 20:35.45 | arpc | Thasan: I just use iptables to ratelimit the port |
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| 20:43.00 | arpc | a |
| 20:43.03 | arpc | oops |
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| 20:48.25 | haole | my init is getting stuck for 1min30s during boot waiting with the message like this: "a start job is running for dev-disk 8a8.device" |
| 20:48.27 | haole | how do I debug this? |
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| 21:06.39 | jhutchins | Thasan: What are you trying to protect? |
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| 22:08.37 | arunpyasi | guys, which version is the experimental ?? is there any release of it ? |
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| 22:09.03 | abrotman | no, it never releases |
| 22:09.07 | abrotman | it's not even a full distro |
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| 22:09.18 | msyverson | Hello, I found this rules setup on the Debian Firewall wiki, can someone explain me why is there, in the "Basic gateway machine firewall" example, three rules under the comment "# Drop invalid state packets" since the default policies are already set to "DROP"? I'm just trying to understand: http://pastebin.com/JaDTcUSB |
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| 22:25.18 | arunpyasi | guys, which version is the experimental ?? is there any release of it ? |
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| 22:29.51 | abrotman | arunpyasi: I answered you, right after you asked |
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| 22:30.32 | arunpyasi | abrotman: ohh haha, THanks very much :D |
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| 22:31.10 | dashs | jessie will not mount /home from nfs |
| 22:31.33 | dashs | at keast on newly installed system |
| 22:31.57 | abrotman | _netdev maybe? |
| 22:32.35 | dashs | oops mental error ..... |
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| 22:36.00 | dashs | abrotman: sorry -- metnal finger check |
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| 22:45.51 | acz32 | i'd like to remove some packages from my DE, but because xfce was installed during my debian install i can't without removing everything that was part of that metapackage |
| 22:46.12 | acz32 | what's the best way to do this? some of the software is not needed |
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| 22:51.16 | jhutchins | acz32: Why remove them? Just ignore them. |
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| 22:51.51 | abrotman | dpkg: tell acz32 about unmarkauto |
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| 22:52.41 | Emil_ | jhutchins: That's not really helpful |
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| 22:54.45 | acz32 | jhutchins: because i want to remove them. it's a slow computer to begin with. does having them installed affect performance if they are not running? |
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| 22:55.48 | acz32 | abrotman: thanks, i think unmarkauto is just what i need. i can use that to mark certain packages that came with the metapackage? |
| 22:56.14 | Emil_ | acz32: no, just having something installed doesn't really affect your speed |
| 22:56.27 | Emil_ | Depends on, of course, if they are running |
| 22:56.44 | acz32 | there are things like xfburn, when the computer doesn't even have an optical drive, etc |
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| 23:03.50 | acz32 | i set a package to manually installed and it's still tryin gto remove the DE |
| 23:04.03 | acz32 | does this not work in all situations? |
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| 23:04.43 | eb0t | hey how do i find out what versions of python are installed on my machine |
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| 23:05.02 | abrotman | eb0t: dpkg -l | grep pyth ; would be a good start |
| 23:05.07 | eb0t | i have used # dpkg -s |
| 23:05.13 | eb0t | ah right ill try that |
| 23:05.18 | abrotman | or python --version |
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| 23:06.50 | eb0t | python --version only shows python 2.7 |
| 23:07.02 | eb0t | but dpkg -l shows python 2 and 3 |
| 23:07.51 | Emil_ | eb0t: start python? |
| 23:07.56 | Emil_ | oh |
| 23:07.58 | Emil_ | versions |
| 23:08.06 | Emil_ | try python and python3 |
| 23:08.36 | Emil_ | What those activate are really what is of concern |
| 23:09.25 | eb0t | ok thanks guys |
| 23:09.32 | abrotman | eb0t: right, /usr/bin/python is a symlink .. that's the default |
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| 23:22.58 | marioxcc | Hello. |
| 23:23.22 | marioxcc | How can I use apt or dpkg to get a list of all packages under a given license (artistic license 1.0)? |
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| 23:37.15 | acz32 | i found that if i uninstall the metapackage that was used to uninstall the DE, i can uninstall specific packages without it trying to remove the DE anymore |
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| 23:37.27 | acz32 | used to *install the De |
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| 23:39.28 | AlexLikerock | hi |
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| 23:43.47 | eb0t | i need to install python3.3 |
| 23:43.53 | eb0t | but i cant find it in aptitude |
| 23:44.03 | eb0t | i put this line into my sources.list |
| 23:44.23 | eb0t | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 23:45.38 | eb0t | any ideas |
| 23:47.17 | at0m|c | ,v python3.3 |
| 23:47.18 | judd | No package named 'python3.3' was found in amd64. |
| 23:47.59 | eb0t | is there any way i can get python 3.3. |
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| 23:49.05 | abrotman | judd: versions python3 |
| 23:49.06 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.3-6; stretch: 3.4.2-2; jessie: 3.4.2-2; sid: 3.4.2-2; experimental: 3.4.3-2 |
| 23:49.12 | abrotman | jessie already has 3.4 |
| 23:50.18 | eb0t | if i get paython 3.4 will it be able to interpret python 3.3 |
| 23:51.19 | eb0t | im trying to compile gns3 and it is dependant on python 3.3 |
| 23:51.56 | eb0t | but im running wheezy |
| 23:52.09 | eb0t | is it going to be impossible to compile it on wheezy |
| 23:52.24 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:52.56 | eb0t | this is pretty bad news |
| 23:53.08 | eb0t | means i have to reinstall to get it |
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| 23:53.18 | eb0t | i deffo neeed the latest version of gns3 |
| 23:53.35 | eb0t | and my debian wheezy has been great for me |
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| 23:53.49 | eb0t | but alas ...i may have to move onwards and upwards |
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| 23:55.49 | n-st | hi, i'm trying to set up a HP LaserJet 3330 printer/scanner/fax that's been shelved for a while. some googling turned up the hplip drivers, so i installed those. now cups offers me several choices when i try to add a new printer: "HP LaserJet 3330 USB 00SGK2BC043H HPLIP (HP LaserJet 3330)" and "HP LaserJet 3330 (HP LaserJet 3330)" are listed as separate local printers (along with a "Fax" one), and the HPLIP printer has two drivers available -- "CUPS+Gutenprint |
| 23:55.49 | n-st | " and "hpcups". how do i know which one to choose? |
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| 23:57.49 | WangDang_ | n-st: https://www.openprinting.org/printers might help you choose |
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