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00:00.51RoyKp8m: do people still use sparc? ;)
00:01.32acz32the answer to any "do people still" question is yes
00:02.51RoyKin my last job we had this blade with a single core, 16 thread thing
00:02.55azmodeusI must correct myself... the password is the right one... because su recognize it... but, still remains that doubt... can't I log in as root?
00:03.11RoyKsingle math processor on that
00:03.12p8mRoyK: Oh yeah. They're talking about a cool kernel bug and I found a way to consistently trigger it with a kernel config setting
00:03.20RoyKperformed rather horribly
00:03.47gnuLordbelow is the error message: Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
00:03.47gnuLordrequested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
00:03.47gnuLorddistribution that some required packages have not yet been created
00:03.47gnuLordor been moved out of Incoming.
00:03.47gnuLordThe following information may help to resolve the situation:
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00:03.56RoyK!pastebin
00:03.57dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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00:04.17BrigoRoyK, too late :)
00:04.36RoyKindeed
00:04.48p8mRoyK: have the successor to that one, a T2. It's still pretty slow per thread but you get 64 of them :)
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00:05.28RoyKp8m: still a single, shared math processor?
00:05.28BrigognuLord, you can paste more  than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/
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00:08.36p8mRoyK: It's much better. It has double the ALUs/thread and 8 floating point units instead of 1.
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00:26.26n-sthttps://packages.debian.org/sid/monit and https://packages.qa.debian.org/m/monit.html seem to be out of sync — is there any information on how often packages.debian.org is updated?
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00:36.40Tyler-DurdenI have a dedicated zfs nas on my home network. On my laptop I am using qemu-kvm with a guest that uses NAT. For w/e reason I can see all the devices on my home network but not the nas. I can't bridge that vm since it is using wifi.
00:37.19Tyler-Durdenpoint is normally I can "look out" to the home network but ofc I can not have a subnet address to at as a server
00:37.47Tyler-DurdenI cant I see that NAS but I can see things like my TV etc
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00:41.43panda808Sup Debians, can anyone recommend an easy to setup tutorial for a live usb debian flash drive with persistence?
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00:43.27shay_shayhttp://live.debian.net/manual/1.x/html/persistence.html
00:43.49bazhangpanda808, pendrivelinux.com has many as well
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00:44.15panda808Also, I'm installing from Mac.
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00:44.21shay_shaypanda808: sorry : http://live.debian.net/manual/4.x/html/live-manual/customizing-run-time-behaviours.en.html#557
00:44.28shay_shaythe first link was super old
00:44.29bazhangso check both links given you
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00:46.40shay_shaypanda808: if you need to make one from osx, no idea. if you have two thumb drives, boot live to one and make the other persistent from linux
00:47.19panda808wow, great tip. I didn't think about that.
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00:53.27NeffiI'm rather new to Debian. In expert install mode, is it safe to drop to a shell and change /etc/apt/sources.list from 'jessie' to 'testing' after installing the base system, and then proceeding to continue the installation as normal? Or should I perform the full installation, and then boot into the new system in order to switch to testing?
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00:58.58nkuttlerNeffi: i'd do the full installation first. at least then you have a working system, and broken dependencies aren't that bad
00:59.47dvsNeffi: and use "stretch" not "testing"
01:00.26Neffidoesn't that only matter once the release cycle lapses? or is there other significance to this?
01:01.42dvsNeffi: It matter when the next release is released.
01:02.18Neffithank you nkuttler, dvs
01:03.03dvsno prob
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01:08.27rj11Hello! Can I disable automatic partition alignment in cfdisk? I'm trying to recover some data by recreating a partition table from piece of paper, but cfdisk doesn't let me specify the exact partition size in sectors.
01:08.51tusm2004hey all, I have an lgnas that has debian on it,w hen I apt-get update it says 404 not found, is there a way to update this so it works?
01:09.58ryoumarj11: there is a program sfdisk that might help and fdisk might help
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01:12.34Rusty1rj11:  testdisk might also be worth a try
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01:14.42rj11ryouma: Thanks, I'll read up on sfdisk and testdisk. Although I do know the start/end points of the lost partitions.
01:15.15tusm2004might have got it thanks anyways
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02:15.49dvs!exit
02:15.49dpkg/quit you fool!
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02:16.23shay_shaymine works with /exit
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02:43.43gchristensenHi, would errors from X be logged in journal somewhere? How would I find them from a previous boot?
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02:53.20dvsgchristensen: /var/log/Xorg.0.log only stores the last session
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02:54.02head8debiandpkg: pastebin
02:54.02dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
02:54.21head8debiandpkg: thanks
02:54.21dpkgmy pleasure, head8debian
02:54.22gchristensenhum both that and log.old are empty. I'm getting "Oh no! something has gone  wrong" and am trying to debug that issue.
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02:55.00gchristensenmost certainly related to my mucking about with some drivers, but can't find an error to save my life. the "log out" button on that screen doesn't actually log out either -- have to reboot.
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03:21.03A|anok...where is "archive" for all the deb installations?
03:21.25A|anthe path
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03:31.30Nautiluswhats the typical place(s) to put a 'random' utility/executable file? I probably don't want it in a specific users dir, it would be available to all via being in the path.
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03:31.49shay_shay/usr/local/bin /usr/local/lib
03:31.52shay_shay!stow
03:31.52dpkgstow is probably a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy.  It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>.  http://www.gnu.org/software/stow .  See also <usrlocal>, <uupdate>.
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03:38.22ramerqwho are  poeple  talk  about débian   at this  time ?
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03:38.40ramerqbecause,
03:38.50ramerqyou are    human.
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03:38.58ramerqis  first définition.
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03:39.32ramerqlike    are   my  talk.
03:40.02ramerqlike this about universe  maybe  an  not  to  told  this  mutch  only  first  again.
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03:40.56ramerqlike this about universe  maybe  is  not.  tolding  about this  mutch as only  first  again.
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03:41.57ramerqmaybe is  tspeak about  universe  like  all  hope this  tolding  about.
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03:42.22ramerqmaybe is  the  speak about  universe  like  all  hope this  tolding  about.
03:42.34ramerqmaybe is  the  speak about  universe  like  all  hope   tolding  about.
03:42.44bleomycindoes anyone know how to enable tab competion for systemctl/journalctl on a fresh jessie install?
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03:43.30ramerqis  really  not  ritch  because   so one  is  dont exist.
03:44.06ramerqwhen  you see  batman  knith   you think all poeple  work  of that  .
03:44.15beepie!ops ramerq <trollbot
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03:44.32beepiebleomycin, works here
03:44.46ramerqpaid   the  work  at is   get  round.
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03:45.17bleomycinbeepie, yeah it's weird, not working for me on a minimal install. must be missing some package that enables it?
03:45.21beepiebleomycin, echo $PATH should show sbin entries if using root
03:45.38beepiebleomycin, ther'es also "bash-completion" package if its not installed
03:46.03bleomycinbeepie, yeah bash-completion is installed
03:46.04bleomycinand
03:46.10bleomycinecho $PATH
03:46.18beepiebleomycin, is it bash?
03:46.21ramerqnot  hakers  will be  admirated   person.
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03:46.40ramerqat  google  fuck  or  mutch of  publisish of  that.
03:46.45beepiebleomycin, ps shows if its bash
03:46.49beepiewhere are the ops?
03:46.52beepielol
03:47.03beepieignores ^
03:47.04bleomycinbeepie, yup its bash
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03:48.08ramerqat  google  fuck  of  mutch of that it is... and  publisish of really  that paid  the  microcomputeur..
03:48.11bleomycinbeepie, ahhhh, su to root from another user breaks it
03:48.16bleomycinand I had ssh'd in as non-root user
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03:48.25bleomycinthanks for the help
03:48.29ramerqgoogle is  not mutch  beautiful  like  apple.
03:48.35ramerqsaid  that.
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03:48.39beepiebleomycin, maybe you modified the default ,  grep complete /etc/inputrc
03:48.43beepiebleomycin, or ~/inputrc
03:49.02beepiebleomycin, if its in $PATH then it should tab complete by default
03:49.20beepiebleomycin, but the default is TAB for bash ..
03:49.23bleomycinbeepie, yeah its working fine after logging in directly as root
03:49.31ramerqfuck you  you are.
03:49.37ramerqas  first.
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03:49.39beepiebleomycin, if you're using sudo then no
03:49.52bleomycinbeepie, didnt use sudo, used su
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03:50.02ramerqonly  appréiate  speak savant.
03:50.04beepiebleomycin, su -l or su - would  parse profile
03:50.11beepiebleomycin, su doens't login with profile login scripts
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03:50.16beepiebleomycin, (without -l or -)
03:50.32beepiebleomycin, so i asked for $PATH and you said "yes"
03:50.37bleomycinbeepie, ahhh, didn't know that! thanks a ton I appreciate it, very good to know
03:50.39beepiebleomycin, so it should of been working previously.
03:50.42beepiebleomycin, liar.
03:50.46beepie:)
03:50.59bleomycinbeepie, yeah sorry i tried to patse the path but for whatever reason my client or the channel wouldnt accept it
03:51.06ramerqliar  is  jews , sioniste  jews   compagby.
03:51.07beepiebleomycin, yeah but you freakin lied
03:51.09ramerqtold  that.
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03:51.26ramerqi  hate  lot of  poeple   understand  me.
03:51.29bleomycinbeepie, lol if i did it wasnt intentional :)
03:51.37beepiebleomycin, ignore that bot, the ops aren't here yet
03:52.02bleomycinramerq? yeah i ignored it a while ago heh
03:52.09beepiebleomycin, you still should check before saying "yes". it was lazy on your part but anyways.. good luck to wutever
03:52.22bleomycinbeepie, will do next time, my bad, thanks again
03:52.40ramerqliar  is  jew  tolking  that  about  me.
03:52.53ramerqthis  is him self  liar.
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03:53.09ramerqand i hat   lot  of  poeple  to understand.
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03:53.52ramerqand i hate   lot  of  poeple  to heard  this
03:54.04ramerqabout  him self.
03:54.25ramerqthis  is  fis   talking  he is.
03:54.36ramerqthis  is  first   talking  he is.
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03:55.13ramerqi am  not  hacker  to  visualise  your  ass.
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03:57.17ramerqi  hate  the  liar  like  of  that  speak  first.
03:57.49ramerqi  haite  the   liar  only.
03:58.30ramerqwho is  personn  tolding  about  this   poin  of  view  me.
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03:58.50ramerqwho is  personn  tolding  about  this   point  of  view  me.
03:59.34ramerqto   read  your  sentence i  understand  your  bad  spirit now  and  i  prefere  you.
03:59.35ctmjrramerq: do you need help with debian?
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04:08.45ramerqthe  jews poeple  he is  always  tolding  about  ours.
04:08.51ramerqlike  the  shit.
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04:09.05ramerqinsolent.
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04:10.53ctmjr!ops ramerq will not stop trolling
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04:13.17ramerqyours  beautiful  name  what is  it  ?
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04:14.17ramerqthe  infernale  poeple  can existe    so what.
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04:17.59ramerq255 maybe.
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04:21.16ramerqyou  walk one.
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04:21.32ramerqyou  can  told   sorry  your self.
04:21.39ramerqat  firt.
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04:24.14ramerqtake this.
04:24.23ramerqand this.
04:24.25ramerqget.
04:24.33ramerq<PROTECTED>
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04:29.28ramerqthe mark of  umbrella is  véry important   all days.
04:30.15ramerqupdate  bios.
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05:22.57Poop4Brainsdfoolz dgeary2 DHowett Diaoul Dibbler digdilem digilink diginet dimir DingoSaar Dirkson diroots diytto dizzylizzy Dj_Dexter djj_ djjunde Djole DLange dlitz dmilith dnsk_ dokma dondelelcaro donofrio DonVitoCorleone dpkg Dr-Shadow Dr4k3 DrakkenWarr DrDisconsented dreamer Dreamix dreamon drewdavis drj__ DrOwl drumr DrWeissbrot Dry_Lips
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05:23.01Poop4BrainsEmleyMoor emma_ Emmanuel_Chanel em|biketron Encapsulation EnergyCoffee enkrypt Epakai epsilon equ1 erin1983684 erry esaym153 esde eshlox eshy Esya everjeje evilicey evilman_work EvilOne Ex-Opesa Exagone313 EXT3 f31n f3d_ faw fcharton fernie ferret_ finlstrm fireba11 firztspawn Fjorgynn flipp fLiPr3VeRsE flix flyingkiwi fn00dle fnmueller
05:23.02cafuegosup spambot?
05:23.03Poop4Brainsfold folivora foo foriin fragtastic frankie frankS2 frdmn freakcom freaky[t] freanux frediz fresh_oy1ter frikinz FrobozzCo FrostyX frzr fstd Fudster Furai Fusl Fusselkater futex FuZi0N fzeta Gabemo GabrieleV gaccardo gacekjk gagrio gardar Garheade garyserj2 gchristensen Gcool geekthattweaks_ GeertJohan GeHa genpaku Geom_
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05:23.09cosbanthanks for the ping
05:23.10Poop4Brainshuayra Hydroxide hypermist ibex icarito ice799 icedp Icedream icjs icosa1 Igel ignasio igno Iiiak ikonia illy imMute in1t3r inch indieross infernix infi infinity0 iNs ins3ct integral internat Internet13 intothemountains iooner ioudas Iouns_away ircLuigi Iridos ItTakesTwo iViLe ix j` JackPH jager
05:23.10phy1729!ops
05:23.10dpkgPlease invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem.  Misuse of this will lead to a ban.  Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
05:23.12Poop4Brainsjaggzt jahman Jaif jair james41382 JamesTK Jamshut jannic jareth_ Jarus JasonO jasonwert jaybe jayne jaythelinuxguy JC_SoCal jcara Jdbye jedib jeezy jehan_ jelly JelmerD jemurray-wustl JenneyD jensp jerichowasahoax jerrcs jesopo jesse55 jham jhj jholden jhuebner jhutchins Jikan jimbeaudoin JiuJit__ jmccune jmspeex
05:23.14Poop4BrainsJmZ_ JNixx jnollette joar joelpet joelsmith joevandyk joeytwiddle JohnDoh JohnnyricoMC johskar jokke jokx jolt jonathaN Jonno_FTW Jonuz jordanm jpinx jprice jprice_ JPT jradd Jsilver JStoker jtdowney jthomas_ judd jufo2 Junaos June-wolf Jurkki jus Juslintek jvdm JyZyXEL jzk JZTech101 k1000 K1rk
05:23.15Encapsulationhey hey
05:23.16Poop4Brainsk4tfish k6b k^ Kaboon kailo kaimei_ kalebo kaliy kalloc kalz Kamilion kaon karlpinc Kasreyn katherine kbtr_ kchr kdog keith4 kennethd Keridos kevinsan kevr kian_ killerpty kimico kingkongmok kingsley_ kini kInOzAwA kirin_v kirkland kisser kitai kitallis kivutar kjs Klapo kline kloeri
05:23.16blixten!report Poop4Brains
05:23.18Poop4BrainsKlumben kn0cker Knaldgas knikolov knittl Kobaz Kobra kodapa komugi kooldavi koolfy Krakakanok KramerC Krenz kriger_ Krigsforbryter kriskropd krthnz krups kRush ksk ksool ksx4system ktechmidas Kulrak kunwon1 Kurocon kvymx kward kwmiebach kyle__ kyryus l0xas L235 lacsap lae lahwran lambdahands langkid1 lanodan
05:23.18cafuego!ops Poop4Brains spammy
05:23.19phy1729dpkg: ops see ^
05:23.20Poop4Brainslasers lauri laydros lbatalha ldon LeandroLuiz Lector ledixus ledufakademy LeelooMinai leffelad leftist_ leszq levifig Liam` liamsmith LiENUS lift Lildirt linc_ linuxthefish Lirion LjL llakey_ llama052 llimeht LMNOP_ lnx lobomufas Locke0 Log1x lokulin loop3r loor lord4163 LordDeath LoRez lotherk Louis LRN
05:23.22Poop4Brainslrvick lubyou luckman212 ludocode lurk3r-test08 LV-426 lv_ lxusrbin lyonsb M M0ffe M0ulin m1ndfuccc M3mphiZ_ m4rCsi_ mactimes_ mag009 magenbrot magnulu maik makkan Malf Malinux mallxs Malmis mambaw_ MannDude maqr marbus90 marens marienz marjolein mark_owen markand markelite marko markovh marlinc Marqin marsjaninzmarsa
05:23.24Poop4Brainsmartin_ martinbmadsen martinst Marvil masterm matt_m matthiaskrgr mavhc mawe max-m maxexcloo maxorator mbecroft mburns mc68030 mc680x0 McLive mdel meaneye Megaf meLon melter Messenger_bird metaf5 metaKin mete meti mgwrst mhoney micalm michaelni mick0 micke_ microfracture MidnightCommand- Mike9863 mikeey milosn mindstorm minot
05:23.26Poop4Brainsmirton MissionCritical mist Mitchell92[A] mjeanson MjrTom Mmike MMukherjee mnathani mns mo1991reg Modeuse module000 moetunes moeyebus Mogget molgrum momoterra monban moncky monty Moonspell moss mossman MoTec mquin mr_daemon MrAlexandr0 MrBy MrFrood MrGeneral MrHyde mrjk MrMagic mrt333__ MrZodiac_ msantana muh2000 mukmuk mumixam
05:23.28Poop4Brainsmusca mussolini Mutantx MVXA mx0r MY123 mybit Myrtti myztic mz|` n0arch n0c n13z n2deep n3ptun N3X15 na1rb_ nagetier Namikaze namix nander nanoha-sama NaPs nathanhi nbb nbbsn necrogami ned__ Neffi Neobenedict NeoBlaster neoromantique NetEcho_ netj_ netkat Niamkik nicdev nice92 nick[0] nickdastain
05:23.29DANtheBEASTmanwow......
05:23.29atomihaha Poop4Brains
05:23.30Poop4BrainsNickeeh nickmoec1 nickoe niedbalski Night-Shade NightKhaos nighty^ Nik05 niko nikola nikomo NiLon nilurie nkuttler nmschulte_ Nnavd Noah0504 noahfx noc0lour nodauf nodedfree_ NoImNotNineVolt nomad_dw noname noname1 noname2 NoNaMeNo noodle nopf NorthAntrim Noskcaj Nothing4You Nothing4You_ nse nsh nukleon nutron nux443 nwe nwps
05:23.32Poop4Brainsnyov nyuszika7h oberling oberstein Obi-Wan obsed ochiottes oddie oddly ohithere olegfusion Olipro on1ald on1x Onigiri Ool oomi opiumozor Orbitrix orfix Orphis orzo osfe Otap oufo owa Ownix oxagast ozzloy p0g0_ p0lly p8m p_quarles pacbard pankid papitfx parshimers Particularized patcoll patsToms
05:23.33LMNOP_yus
05:23.34Poop4Brainspaulr peer69 pen_ pencilandpaper penna_ percY- perrier pet2001_ petemc petern_ peterrooney peterS PeterSilie petn-randall pfoo pfote ph88 phantomcircuit phatypus Phil-Work PhilSliderS phix phogg phorce1 phorce1_home phragment phrozen77 phunyguy Phurious phy1729 Phyliares Pici pickering Piggy pingveno pinnen pipeep Piper-Off pirithous Pixionus
05:23.35knittlwhaaaaaaaaat
05:23.36Poop4Brainshi atomi
05:23.36Poop4Brainsplanetmaker PlasmaStar Plastefuchs plat_ platt_ polyphagia ponky Pontus ponyofdeath Poop4Brains Posterdati preyalone programmerq przemoc pseubodot Pseudocrat Psylo ptomblin Pucilowski Pulec pvn pvoigt pwds pylot_ Python1320 pythonsnake qjqqyy qman__ qoreQyaS qpst Qrc quasisane quenoz Quimby quodvis r-x-w- r00t-err0r r00twayne r0bby r3m
05:23.38Poop4BrainsRA3OR Radex rafuch0 RagingComputer Ralt ramerq RaphaelT raSter^ ratsupremacy rattking rawe rax- rax0 raymondhim rbanffy RDash rdz realitygaps Red_M rednul refrax relaxed remmie_ resixian revolve rhizome ribasushi rich- richard_ RichiH RickyB98 riddle riex rigor789 rika rikai Rikairchy Ring0` riot ripdisk
05:23.40jerichowasahoaxi don't think we need !ops for this one
05:23.40Poop4Brainsrippentrop ritek rj-code rj11 rjsalts rlex rmdashrf RobertClarke roberth1990 roboman2444 RoBz Rockj roger_rabbit rogst Rokixz romano2k romgo romgo_ ron-slc Rooobaaat rooty rOss^64 rosseaux roundcirle Rovanion RoyK RoyK^Work rozie RT_FM rtr- rtur rubemlrm Rubin rubin110 Rudde rudi_s ruind rumpole Rurd2di3 ruukasu
05:23.42cafuego/ignore Poop4Brains all
05:23.43Poop4Brainsrvchangue_ rwp ryan-c ryan8403 RyanKnack ryanneufeld ryao ryn rypervenche ryush Ryushin s4ndm4n Sachiko saintcajetan Samizdatguy Sammy8806 saptech sarlalian Sarodj Sausage Savemech sc_ ScarZy schaltd Schnabeltierchen schnitzel_ schuschu Sciuro ScottE screedo Scuttle sdollins Se-bash seb_kuzminsky seekr Selveste1_ semajnz semy SerajewelKS serban
05:23.45Poop4BrainsSeth_Hikaru Seto_Kaiba sfr^ sgrc Sh3r1ff shad0VV shadok Shadur shahri sharky shawniverson shay_shay shentino Sheo shifty779 shingouz shroud shtirlic sidmo_ siebjee sileht silverf0x simon_q simpbrain Simson-san SirCmpwn SirLagz Skaag skapunker ski skney skorv skule Skyres Skyrider Sl0vi sl3dge_ slackner sloucher slowz
05:23.46jerichowasahoaxsome ops probably also got highlighted :V
05:23.47Poop4BrainsSlumlord_ SM0TVI smeea Smither Smuckerz smue snadge sndb sneke Solution-X|AFK somiaj sonOfRa Sorch sosby soulz soundtoxin spaceone spacepluk sparr sparty Spec Speed` SpeedBus SPF sphenxes01 spiteful Spleeze Spockz Spr1ng spronk sputnik squisher srg Ssquidly stackfault stagnator stalwart829 Stanto Starduster StathisA
05:23.49Poop4BrainsStellar stepkrav stevejobsinhell Sthebig STMelon StolenToast stooj Storfiskaren Stummi styx_ Subfusc Sublim3 subzero79 sukaeto sunkan superkulak_ SuperPhly supersoju sussudio swaechter swatti Sway swordsmanz swym SynrG SynrGy Synthase_ syntiux sysdef Szeraax2 t3chguy t3ngu tabakhase tacocat TacoGS tadej taksuyu taldius tallest_redd tanoi
05:23.50noahfxholy shit
05:23.51Poop4Brainstapio_ tapout Tarjaizaid tattoli TBCOOL tbone tccki tcpman_ tdfischer TDJACR_ tdn TechChristoph technec_ teclo- teddybeermaniac Teduardo Tekno tekzilla Telvana temistokles tensorpudding tenspeed705 teraflop teran_ terr1 terxx testbla testi tethra thalos_ tharkun the8thbit TheCalcium thedudez0r themattbeballin themill TheNumb TheNumbers TheOneWhoKnocks TheSoph
05:23.51LMNOP_how can i halp u
05:23.52atomiPoop4Brains: you're doing god's work my son
05:23.53Poop4Brainsthiagoss thirtynein thomas ThomasJ Thraul-zZz thyphus tiago Ticho TickyTack Tilgaht TimWolla tinoco tlund TmvC tnguyen tno ToBeFree tobiasBora Toffe tokik tolecnal tolkor Tomasu tomaw tombee tomocha6 TonyL tonyoy tonyt tonythomas topi` torjeh totte tr00p trae32566[w] treefiddy_ trekkie3k Trellmor trem0r trench
05:23.53momoterrawtf
05:23.55Poop4BrainsTreylis Trieste TriJetScud Tristan-Speccy tristero trobotham Trozz truexfan81 trwyth tryfan trysten tty0_ Tubbles tugrik turnedtodust turtlehat tuv tuxcrafter twiggz twisted` twobitsprite twoion[shell] tyler-baker TyrfingMjolnir ubiquitous1980 ujjain ulkesh unforgiven512 Uninstall UniOn Unity unkn0wn unop uZer vaidy valdyn valeriusL ValicekB Valko VampiricPadraig
05:23.55knittlkick it with fire!
05:23.57Poop4Brainsvamps vandox vectr0n VeggieMeat Vendetta venkat_330 verboese verri vila vincent_c vinzv VirtouZ vivid voidlily vook Voovode Vorpal vOYtEC w1gz WaffleKing Walex2 warsoul wasp__ watmm Wegge welpo weltzooo Werring weykent Whiskey WilliamDotAT Willis willmore willroberts_ wilornel wingman2 WinstonSmith winterss WizardGed WizBright
05:23.59Pseudocratlmfao
05:23.59Poop4Brainswizzy__ woffs wolerine|BNC wolf_mozart wolfmitchell wolrah wonko WormDude worstie woshty ws2k3 Wug Wyzard_ x-treme xaa xand xargs xarquid xBytez xcpep xcpop XDS2010 xehbit XemsDoom XeonSquared XeTK xingu Xiol Xiti Xjs|moonshine xnrand Xoib xsdg xSmurf XSoul xTEMPLARx XxMLG420xM4y0ixX Xyle YamakasY yan
05:24.01Pseudocratpinging me
05:24.01Poop4Brainsyareckon__ yells yelvxiuge yen0p yeticry ygeLN yids ylt yokel yossarianuk Yukkii zack6849 zacts zafu zaggynl_ zamba Zambezi Zarthus ZekeS zerick Zharf zinx zleslie Zoddo ztane Zumochi zupzupper zw01 zwarag zwiep` zykotick9 zymurgy zz_ag4ve zz_mbainrot {41444d494e}
05:24.01percY-wtf is this cunt doing
05:24.05cyphermanlol
05:24.06DANtheBEASTmanand why
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05:24.09cafuegojust put it on ignore
05:24.12Yukkiiwat
05:24.14cosbanwow
05:24.16Slumlord_snarf
05:24.17XxMLG420xM4y0ixXwut
05:24.17sl3dge_lol wat
05:24.19Pseudocratgo do this in #ubuntu
05:24.19cosbanmade it through the entire list
05:24.25MmikePseudocrat, :D
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05:24.36knittlkick it with fire!
05:24.37*** mode/#debian [+o Hydroxide] by ChanServ
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05:24.49cyphermaninfants
05:24.51cosbangood job
05:24.52daurnimatoranyone else get a failed nickserv attempt from them?  NickServ (NickServ@services.): Poop4Brains!~Poop4Brai@ool-6894a6b4.dyn.optonline.net failed to login to daurn.  There has been 1 failed login attempt since your last successful login.
05:24.55NeffiThat seems like awfully tame a punishment
05:24.56minotthank you Hydroxide
05:25.03shentinohe needs klined
05:25.09atomi:/
05:25.13jerichowasahoaxshentino: only if he starts doing it in other channels
05:25.14llimehtTake it to ##comment_on_spam, thanks
05:25.23phy1729daurnimator: ask #freenode
05:25.30HydroxideI could have done a kickban or similar. this is my preferred first step though.
05:25.43Sachikojerichowasahoax, he did it in another channel I'm in too.
05:25.45HydroxideI can't do network-level bans on Freenode.
05:25.49Hydroxideso, what phy1729 said.
05:26.07percY-like seriously
05:26.07Liam`And here I though I was being pinged because someone though I was cool :(
05:26.10percY-what is the point of all that spam
05:26.11percY-lol
05:26.11DANtheBEASTmanwho decides "i'm going to program a bot to highlight people in irc! yeah that'll be a good use of my time and skill"
05:26.17DirksonSuddenly everyone's awake! ^.^
05:26.23rikaipercY-: annoyance.
05:26.25blixtenyou guys should connect your smoke detector to your irssi highlight
05:26.26percY-lmfao DANtheBEASTman
05:26.31sl3dge_lol
05:26.33knittlI'm not awake. I'm grumpy
05:26.34Slumlord_oh
05:26.35percY-and Liam` HAHA
05:26.46marjoleinPoop4Brains: I don't need an alarm clock! I've been fully awake for more that an hour already ;-)
05:26.48percY-I must say though.... that got the channel alive!
05:26.50shay_shayenables mass-highlight filter
05:27.00rikaiDANtheBEASTman: more likely he just copy/pasted a list of users.
05:27.19SachikoThere is a way to do that via Python in HexChat, iirc.
05:27.29SachikoI dunno, and I don't care to even try it.
05:27.54rikaiMost clients will give you a list of users with the right command. :)
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05:28.23jerichowasahoaxif it was a bot all it would have to do is take the output of one command and send it to PRIVMSG
05:28.32jerichowasahoaxi think it'd be WHO
05:29.22mr_daemonwhat the filthy dongs is going on in this channel
05:29.31shentinosomeone needs klined, that's waht
05:29.39llimehtenough, thanks.
05:29.57mr_daemonmass highlights aside, my buffer is full of people dropping due to excess flood
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05:30.35kevri always see that guy around in channels
05:31.07Kulrakjerichowasahoax: it's /names #channel
05:31.16jerichowasahoaxKulrak: ty
05:31.54knittland there he starts again in #idleRpg
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05:31.59llimehtAt this stage discussing the spam has become more disruptive than the spam. It's irrelevant to debian user support which is what this channel is about. Please stop.
05:32.08Kulrakyes, go back to idling
05:32.14llimehtplease.
05:32.21Kulrakdoes
05:32.45marjoleintakes her attention elsewhere again
05:33.01mr_daemon┐(´ー｀)┌ aight, back to regular program
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05:34.35mr_daemonAlthough, since I'm in there, the kernel in the latest debian release is xz compressed, right? And that's the /only/ option?
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05:35.01aicralol Kulrak lol
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05:35.53mr_daemonI ask because my xen dom0 is apparently too ancient to boot that and I don't like any of the workarounds I come up with off the top of my head
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05:42.52aaa801Hydroxide: I wouldn't recommended that , he's still spamming
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05:46.31DingoSaarDoes anyone know insider info on libapache2-mod-gnutls? Can it be included into jessie-backports in the foreseeable future?
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05:49.56llimehtit's also no longer on the network
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06:16.03grestoWhen installing Jessie the network can't get a connection and a driver is missing 3 "bnx2..." files, it's a dell 711 server, but when I download the file drivers it's only a .deb file?
06:16.26grestoAlso the installer says I should put the bnx2 .fw files in a usb stick
06:17.44themill!installer firmware
06:17.44dpkgDebian-Installer is able to load  additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media  or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy).  See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch06s04 .  To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware .  See also <firmware images>.
06:18.45themill(either the .deb or the individual .fw files can be used by the installer)
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06:23.23anddamis there an appropriate way for installing a library from sources and then have deb packages rely on that?
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06:24.48anddamnamely I'm having odd issues with packages using gnustep, I'd like to update libraries to latest upstream release but I'd rather not rebuild the packages
06:25.41dokmaMy box runs fsck on a 2TB drive during boot which I cannot wait to finish so I bypass with fastboot. How do I run it manually so it does not hit me during next boot again? I can't find where the exact command is that will do the fsck and update the last check date...
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06:28.43rdzdokma, is it your / ?
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06:29.23dokmajust tried dumpe2fs -h and it segfaulted on me
06:29.52rdzumount /mountpoint; fsck.ext4  /dev/sdxY (or whatever fs type it is)
06:30.24dokmardz, and that will take it into account so that it does not run it at boot next time?
06:31.01rdzyes, it usually stores the time of last check
06:31.12dokmagreat, that's exactly what I want
06:31.14rdzwhen you run it manually, it'll still update last check date
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07:28.13xecyclehi.  am considering building a soft raid-0 on top of 4 hard raid-6 blocks, what chunk size to use?
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07:48.14rturI am building a deb Package for amd64 and i386, both are identical, but some dependencies are i386 (even on amd64), so I added :i386 to the dependencies in the "Depends:" section. This works on amd64 systems but when trying to install on i386 it complains about not finding this packages, in the docs (https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html) it says I can add [amd64] to the package to
07:48.16rturdeclare a dependency only for a specific arch, but dpkg-deb -b is complaining about the syntax. Any ideas how to solve the problem ?
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07:51.41themillrtur: that's not the meaning of ":$arch". Those are qualifiers that allow you to depend on a package from a *different* arch to the one you are building for
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07:52.28themillrtur: [$arch] is valid only in the source package; it is not valid in the binary packages. The build helpers strip that out when compiling the package.
07:52.41rturthemill: I see, thank you.
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07:54.14themillrtur: you might be able to achieve what you need by just saying "package-for-amd64 | package-for-i386" (if the contents of the package are the same on all archs, perhaps the package should be Architecture: all not Architecture: any)
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07:57.11rturthemill: I tried any, but reprepro doesn't like it. I am now building the two packages with different control files.
07:57.48themill"any" is not a valid architecture for a binary package.
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07:58.22themill"all" is, and that would suit your purpose provided you can express the dependencies appropriately
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08:04.01folivoraHi, when upgrading to jessie from wheezy. I have PostgreSQL 8.3 installed, will upgrading remove this version or not ?
08:04.37rturthemill: seems I managed to confuse all there is to confuse between source and bin packages :). Usually (but not often ..) I am only building src packages, thank you for the info. The different control files for both packages approach worked.
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08:20.06Y04NNd3lphi: you can check your swappiness parameter (cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness) to control it
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08:31.20NindustriesHi guys, so I set my mail address in /etc/aliases. What else do I need to do to get cron mails? postfix?
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08:32.08ChrisHNindustries: configure an MTA. eg. postfix/exim/sendmaill/...
08:33.07Phil-Workgot a box on which free is reporting 14831MB of memory used
08:33.08SynrGyalso, depending on the MTA, after updating /etc/aliases, you must run 'newaliases'
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08:33.36SynrGy(that is if you already have one)
08:33.37Phil-Workwhereas the sum of the resident sets as shown by PS is 71538MB
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08:33.58aedxAre the full manpages for C supposed to be installed by default? If not, what is the apt-get command to obtain them?
08:33.59Phil-Worksorry, 7153MB
08:34.22Phil-Workwhy does free report so much higher memory usage?
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08:36.56ueberhi there
08:37.38ueberI'm using ncftpput for uploading files and folders via FTP
08:37.54ChrisHPhil-Work: still true 10:16 < ChrisH> d3lphi: memory management on Unix'ish systems is difficult. Unless you have ressource issue it is normally not worth  thinking about it.
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08:38.09ueberis there any way to avoid creating the root folder ?
08:38.42Phil-WorkChrisH, we do have resource issues :/
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08:39.02Phil-Work16GB on the box, 3 guest VMs each allocated 2GB of RAM
08:39.11Phil-WorkNagios is whining because there's now 6% free
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08:40.28ChrisHPhil-Work: Ok. then use atop to see more. run atop, wait for the first refresh after several seconds, press m  and wait once.  If possibel pastebin the outout to paste.debian.net
08:40.43ueberhow can I upload files and "subfolders" without uploading the "root" folder too ?
08:40.43vovkavhello, Ladies and Gentlemen... How do I define system-wide environment variables in Jessie? /etc/environment no longer works...
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08:41.00ueberI used the following command:  ncftpput -R -u $USER -p $PASS $HOST $REMOTEDIR $LOCALDIR
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08:42.01ueberLOCALDIR=/path/local      REMOTEDIR=/path/remote
08:42.13vovkavalso... Who should set MAIL environment variable so that bash checks?
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08:44.08Phil-WorkChrisH, I figured a screenshot would be easier: http://phil.lavin.me.uk/downloads/atop.png
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08:44.59tomodachihi guys , running debian 7 , wich is old stable
08:45.07tomodachidoes debian 7 still get security updates?
08:45.25yossarianuktomodachi: yes
08:45.36yossarianukSteamOS is based on deb7 btw....
08:45.43yossarianuk(and that is still supported)
08:46.38yossarianukI think Debian 7 will be supported until next year
08:46.48yossarianukand supported via LTS until 2018
08:46.51tomodachiany formal source where i can read more about it?
08:46.57yossarianukhttps://wiki.debian.org/LTS
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08:48.37yossarianukalso judging from here -> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases  its almost certain that main support will end for 7 1 year after 8 was released
08:48.47yossarianuk(but then there is the LTS support)
08:48.53ueberok done
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08:49.14uebersolved with LOCALDIR=/path/local/*
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08:51.40tomodachiyossarianuk: thanks a bunch , just what i was looking for
08:51.50linuxthefishhi, in /etc/network/interfaces how can i configure a 2nd IP on the same interface?
08:52.07tomodachilinuxthefish: simply do mirror the current conf
08:52.12tomodachiif you have eth0
08:52.23tomodachimake another one which is eth0:1
08:52.25yossarianukDebian 8 however has straight 5 year support.... Now there is next to no reason to ever use Ubuntu on the server...
08:52.39yossarianuk(maybe until 16.04 comes out and has newer stuff)
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08:53.00tomodachiyossarianuk: yup going to upgrade to debian8 on some of our servers, especially now when the 8.1 release is out
08:53.22linuxthefishtomodachi thanks, do i need the "auto eth0:1" and "allow-hotplug eth0:1" if they are defined for the first IP?
08:53.27yossarianukSystemd isn't all that bad....
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08:55.52raSter^ill update to 8 when there is 8.5
08:56.05CheticIn Step 2.5: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel What is the reason for having to do this?: "At the end of the installation process, after the GRUB install but before reboot, open a virtual terminal, get the kernel deb, chroot into /target, and install the kernel deb manually with dpkg -i"
08:56.38CheticIs it not possible for the debian installer to install a custom kernel?
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08:57.38nikomowhen I've done my custom kernels, I've done a stock install and then make deb-pkg on the finished install, and used that.
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08:58.31nikomoif you use netinstall it'll pull the kernel from the repo afaik, that's why it can't straight-up install a custom kernel. if you had full offline install media and you replaced the package, that would probably work
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08:59.08petn-randallraSter^: So you're not applying security updates to your machine?
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09:00.03Phil-WorkChrisH, any thoughts on that?
09:00.13Cheticnikomo: Why would netinstall prevent it from changing kernel?
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09:00.59nikomoChetic: the installer doesn't have a method for manually you providing your own package instead of some other package, so it would pull the kernel package from a repo and just install that
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09:01.14nikomothat's why you need to install the kernel after the installer has done its thing
09:01.30spaceoneis it possible to see which packages are currently installed from a *specific* repository?
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09:06.45Cheticnikomo: I'm sorry I must be missing something. Can the debian installer not be set up (on a custom ISO) to install a custom kernel automatically?
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09:07.53ChrisHPhil-Work: diffucult to tell. Might be some memory leak. I compared with some of my boxes and there sum(RSize) machtes roughly the diff between tot and free
09:07.56nikomoChetic: you could take the debian installer, and replace the kernel .deb, with your own .deb, and that would work just fine afaik
09:08.00darxmurfhow can I NAT and FILTER with iptables ?
09:08.43Cheticnikomo: What if I want the user to choose between two different kernels? (at the initial ISO boot menu)
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09:08.52CheticBecause that's what I want :p
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09:09.54nikomoChetic: make your own kernel, delve into the deep magic of debian packaging, change the package name to something else so it won't just roll over the old kernel etc., and then add your package into the base group or whatever it's called, so it gets installed no matter what is selected
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09:10.29nikomoI'll be honest here, debian packaging is why I switched my laptop over to Arch, so I can't help you there.
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09:11.06Cheticnikomo: Alright and I think that's what's causing my problems. Appreciate your input very much!
09:11.07ChrisHPhil-Work: in PAG row does scan show figures greater 0 _
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09:16.36dr_hitchcockHey Debians, are there any experts out there on installing Linux Mint Debian Edition on USB flash drives with persistence from a Mac or another Debian computer?
09:17.10ChrisH!mint
09:17.10dpkgLinux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian.  Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support.  Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available.  See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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09:20.05CheticSo how do I make debian installer install my custom kernel package automatically? Instead of me having to chroot into /target and do it manually.
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09:22.57dr_hitchcockThanks for that ChrisH
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09:27.17dr_hitchcockAlternatively, how do I set up a debian live usb flash drive with persistence from Mac or another Debian machine? I’ve been working on this for days with no luck. There doesn’t seem to be much in the search enhgines and forums on this.
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09:35.54Phil-WorkChrisH, tracked down the usage to being the ZFS ARC
09:36.08Phil-Workgod knows why it's ZFS :S
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09:37.44cyph3xwas wondering if anyone would have a colution to easily adding a GUI option for OpenVPN on a KDE system. In ubuntu thats running GNOME you just hit add in network settings like MacOS
09:37.50RagBalSince the upgrade to jessie we are unable to send emails using php in apache. Executing the script by PHP CLI works perfectly, only combination with Apache is faulty. CLI and Apache php.ini are identical. So far I have pinpointed it to the usage of running Apache with mpm_itk, when using a default Apache instance mailing works perfectly
09:39.28cyph3xin short, I am trying to add a privateinternetaccess.com VPN to a list of easily accessible things I can shortcut to my netowrk options menu in KDE
09:40.03raSter^<petn-randall> raSter^: So you're not applying security updates to your machine? <-- i mean, im just saying on debian 7.8 Until 8 is really that mature.
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09:42.15ChrisHPhil-Work: If beeing on Solaris I would have thrown in that at first :)  On solaris it's not unusual to limit ZFA ARC to 400-500MB
09:42.19linuxthefishhi, i did "ip addr add 192.168.1.204/16 dev eth0" but still can't ping anything in 192.168.1.0 range :/
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09:46.40petn-randallraSter^: Ok, fair point, I must have misinterpreted your original message. 90% of the people here complain that Debian stable is too /old/. I see a fellow admin ;)
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10:00.16foofoobarHi. I need to install docker on an intranet server which does only have access to the public debian repositories. How can I do this?
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10:02.48chele,v docker.io
10:02.49juddPackage: docker.io on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1; stretch: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1
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10:03.36cheleYou need to enable these repos. Otherwise go to docker.io download source and build or install their repos.
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10:09.34foofoobarchele: The datacenter had also backports in their repository so I could install from there, thanks!
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10:46.25CheticI get a kernel panic at the moment, if I let the installer do it
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11:00.24Smeggie?
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11:00.44xj54yHey, are any of you hiring?
11:01.58myzticxj54y: qualifications, location, age, experience?
11:02.02Walex2Smeggie: usually the best partitioning scheme is between 10-25GB for the '/' filesystem and the rest for '/home' and not get any more detailed than that. Finer partitioning might be useful in some cases.
11:03.11Smeggieye I don't need a seperate partition for every important filesystem
11:03.13Smeggiefolder
11:03.16ChrisHSmeggie: use LVM, keep the initial filesystems small and keep spare disk space in the VG
11:03.21Walex2xj54y: as someone else hints, that's a bit too generic. Put in 'paste.debian.net' a short description. Anyhow it is offtopic, and it is close to commercial advertising...
11:03.41Smeggiei just don't want to fuck up my windows installation
11:03.46Walex2ChrisH: I think that "use LVM, keep the initial filesystems small" is not a good idea, but lots of people do that.
11:03.52Smeggieas i have a lot of important programmingstuff there:p
11:04.04Walex2Smeggie: anyhow Steam games get installed inside your $HOME
11:04.07ChrisHWalex2: what is the bad idea there?
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11:04.12myzticWalex2: good idea, xj54y: yes, take it to #debian-offtopic
11:04.13Smeggiebasically I want to try out debian to run my steamgames
11:04.26xj54yit was meant to be very generic, but I get it.. Didn't think anyone would be serious haha.. will do
11:04.29Walex2Smeggie: backups? BACKUPS? BAAAACCCCCKKKKKKKKKKUUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSS!!!! :-)
11:04.31Smeggieah thanx walex!
11:04.49Smeggiedidn't know steam went into the home folder
11:04.49Smeggie:D
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11:05.17Smeggieyes i have backed up every useful thing
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11:05.30Smeggiei'm just looking to make debian as my daily driver
11:05.41Smeggiefor programming and some games
11:06.00Smeggiebecause windows 10 is not "free" at all
11:06.02Smeggie:D
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11:06.17__john_doe__Smeggie: why do u need windows lol? for games?
11:06.21Walex2Smeggie: surprise!
11:06.52Smeggiei play csgo and chivalry
11:06.56Walex2Walex2: Here Steam games based on slightly older engines like Source work pretty well on Radeon cards with the free sw driver
11:06.58Smeggiebut mainly planetside2
11:07.17Smeggiewill i have any problems with drivers?
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11:07.25Smeggiegtx 670ftw and i5 2500
11:07.26Walex2Smeggie: you may need the 'fglrx' or 'nvidia' proprietary ones for more recent engines
11:07.35baumSmeggie: csgo works on linux just fine
11:07.39Smeggiei don't mind getting proprietary drivers
11:07.41Smeggieok
11:07.47Walex2Smeggie: got 8/Jessie?
11:08.00Smeggiejust put 8.1 on a bootable usb
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11:08.40Walex2Smeggie: because the versions of X and MesaGL in 7/Wheezy are a bit too old unless you use extensive backports.
11:08.45baumSmeggie: depending on your hardware you might want to check out KVM
11:09.36Smeggiewhy would i need that baum
11:10.00Smeggieive got the steelseries sensei
11:10.05Walex2Smeggie: presumably he is hinting that MS-Windows runs pretty well under KVM
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11:10.29baumSmeggie: it seems like some people got even Crysis on HD running within a Win-VM (using Qemu&KVM)
11:10.49Walex2baum: that's however a fair bit of tricky work sometimes
11:10.50__john_doe__wow
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11:11.14Walex2that can be done with Xen too, not just KVM/Qemu
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11:11.17Smeggieah a virtual machine?
11:11.19Smeggieno thx lol
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11:11.33baumWalex2: yep - i have to admitt i was by far too lazy to set that system up on my own....getting everything to run propperly would require you to recompile the kernel
11:12.24Smeggiebtw i have 125gb of unallocated harddrive space now
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11:12.30Smeggiewill the debian installation see this
11:12.32Smeggie?
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11:12.42baumSmeggie: well it's "kinda" a virtual machine - however in this case you got direct hardware acess (more or less)
11:12.57Smeggieoh thats more interesting then :p
11:13.04baumSmeggie: fdisk -l should see it ;)
11:13.08Smeggieok thx
11:13.19Smeggiei've set up arch before
11:13.28Smeggiebut i want to use the graphical installer
11:13.36Smeggiebecause i am a pussy when it comes to my gaming pc
11:13.37Smeggie:D
11:13.52Smeggiei cannot afford to fak up my windows partition
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11:14.25Smeggieor should i do the commandline install?
11:14.25baummeh just remove your windows partition means you won't have to bother about it anymore :)
11:14.30Smeggiehaha
11:14.30Smeggie:D
11:14.39Smeggiei need visual studio for school
11:14.45Smeggie:p
11:15.01baumbothers quite a bit that he'll have to use windows at the new job....
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11:15.39baumSmeggie: what langauge are you programming in?
11:15.47Smeggiewe are learning C#
11:15.49Smeggieat school
11:16.00Smeggiejava will be fine on linux
11:16.15Smeggiebut idk about c# and visual studio
11:16.20xj54yGHC runs pretty nicely on linux too, btw
11:16.28baumGHC?
11:16.55Smeggiewhat is that
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11:17.42xj54yyeah, GHC.. The Glasgow Haskell Compiler.. A compiler for the haskell programming language >_>
11:18.00baumSmeggie: well VS will devinitly not run on linux - C# however should work since it's OS these days (however certain parts still seem to be close source which makes it not advicable to work with)
11:18.35baum5 bucks that xj54y uses xmonad :P
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11:19.11xj54yit's been a few dozen months, but I'll be moving back to it after I install my cmos battery
11:19.23xj54ycurrent in gnome.
11:19.30Smeggiealso
11:19.30xj54ycurrently in *
11:19.32baumi see
11:19.40Smeggiewill xfce be a good desktop environment?
11:19.45xj54yYes.
11:19.47baumi'm currently using i3
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11:19.59Smeggiei pretty much only use a browser and the commandline
11:20.23xj54ySmeggie, it'll be perfect then. You'll have options and then some should you so decide to desire more.
11:20.23Smeggiei don't need a gui besides a browser
11:20.24Smeggie:p
11:20.33baumSmeggie: do you know haskell?"use xmonad":"check out i3wm"
11:20.34baum:P
11:20.52Smeggiehmm
11:20.53Smeggie:p
11:20.58Smeggieso
11:21.10Smeggieit's easy to install i3 on top of xfce?
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11:21.29xj54yIf you don't know haskell, Xmonad is still nice. You can learn haskell while you try to figure out how to configure everything.. Awesome is pretty cool too. Makes good use of Lua, which is likely to be very helpful in your C# studies
11:21.32razvananybody tried debian on macbook air 2013 adn working fine ?
11:22.15Smeggiei don't like C# to be honest, i'm not planning on working with it in the future
11:22.20Smeggieit's just obligatory :D
11:22.50baumSmeggie: you don't want i3 on top of xfce - you want to use is without a de
11:23.07Smeggieoh, explain baum
11:23.10Smeggie?
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11:23.17Smeggie:D
11:23.27baumSmeggie: give me a sec
11:23.41xj54ySmeggie, hey, it's a pretty well developed language and should you thoroughly understand it, i'm sure you'll come to find its usefulness in many regards. That being said, Haskell pretty sexy.
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11:24.04Smeggiei'll be learning the GOlang soon
11:24.06Smeggiethis summer
11:24.14Smeggieit looks promising :p
11:24.16xj54yahmetalpbalkan, the more the merrier. :-) Cheers!
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11:24.35baumSmeggie: there you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnYN2CTb1hM
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11:25.06Smeggiek thx
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11:25.46Smeggieso during the debian installation, i should not select any desktop environment
11:25.58baumSmeggie: atleast that's what i did :)
11:26.30xj54yYou can select whatever you wish.. Should you have a login manager installed as well, selecting which desktop environment you wish to use is not much of an issue.
11:26.38baumafter that get the testing repos - install lightdm (or something similair) and i3
11:26.52xj54ybaum, how long have you used i3?
11:27.05xj54yI looked at it a few years ago, but never really got into it
11:27.22baumxj54y: about halfe a year now - not too long
11:27.35xj54ybaum, what you're most favored feature so far?
11:27.39Smeggiemaybe it's safer to install xfce first, since i'm a noobi
11:27.53xj54ySmeggie, it won't hurt to see which you like more
11:28.02xj54yoptions are nice, and debian is full of them :-)
11:28.06baumxj54y: well first of all it's noob friendly - comes with the statusbar/dmenu out of the box
11:28.17Smeggiei think i'll just install xfce first
11:28.17baumand unlike in xmonad the default config actually makes sense
11:28.21Smeggieand i3 on top of that
11:28.24Smeggiei change later
11:28.25Smeggie:p
11:28.49xj54ybaum, what feature do you find your self using the most?
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11:29.18Smeggieon a second note, my brother who is less tech savvy would like to use it aswell sometimes
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11:29.33Smeggieso he needs a graphical interface to navigate around
11:30.06baumxj54y: well, that might be a bit subjective since in the end all the wm's depend on the config file
11:30.28xj54ySmeggie, as long as you have your login manager set up (gdm or lightdm for example), setting up user profiles which accord to the desktop environment you wish to use should be no problem! :O
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11:30.55xj54ybaum, in this case, you're the subject, so what do you find your self drawn to mostly?
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11:31.03baumi usually always stay in tiling mode - switch to floating mode here and there if i'm programming a gui. The feature i'm using most is probably moving windows across the monitors (i got 5 desktops asinged to each monitor)
11:31.40xj54ybaum, have you written any particular extensions for i3?
11:32.54baumxj54y: yes - beside adding a few shortcuts/changing a bit of the behaviour i edited the i3bar a bit (to show me more valuable information)
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11:33.32baumbut that's pretty much it
11:34.15xj54ySounds pretty cool. Overall, i3 is fairly straight forward while maintaining an acute taste in elegance. I like it. :-)
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11:35.07Smeggiethanks for the help so far
11:35.19Smeggieare you guys here a lot
11:35.20Smeggie?
11:35.31Smeggieor not
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11:35.55baumhehe yep, i'm quite happy with it. i especially appreciate it if it isn't too time-consuming to config software (which sadly isn't the case with all wm's)
11:35.57baum*for
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11:36.41baumSmeggie: i just happened to check out the channel since i didn't feel like starting to work yet ^^
11:37.00baumSmeggie: anyways, i'm online here since months 24/7 - if you need something simply msg me
11:37.29baumbut in general there is always someone here to help
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11:38.08Smeggieoki
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11:38.31xj54yhttp://paste.debian.net/199940/
11:39.21baumxj54y: the link is outdated?
11:39.53xj54yyeah, sorry about that. Didn't mean to post that
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11:40.30baumxj54y: np....i was just clicking on the link - hoping that it will reveal the secrets of life
11:41.17xj54yThe secrets of life are in /dev/urandom
11:42.05baumxj54y: thanks - passing it to /dev/null (unlimited storage space)
11:42.06baum:P
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12:01.08Smeggieso i will not need to use LVM
12:01.19Smeggiewhen making a seperate home partition?
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12:02.09Smeggiei have 125gb of storage available
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12:04.24baumSmeggie: using LVM is optional - use it or don't, whatever fits you best
12:04.51Smeggiehmm
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12:05.36baumSmeggie: LVM offers you to dynamicly resize your partitions (which is quite neat) - on the downside you'll have a hard time to recover your data incase your hardware fails
12:06.00Smeggieoh
12:06.15Smeggiebetter not to use LVM for me then
12:06.17Smeggiek thx
12:06.39Smeggieand should i use msdos
12:06.44baumyw
12:06.45Smeggieas partitiontable type
12:06.55ChrisHbaum: what? Why is LVM more difficult to recover? Thats not true.
12:07.43baumChrisH: realy? as far as i was aware of it you can't just copy the data to another drive like you'd do it with an ext4 format
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12:07.59baum(assuming your image broke)
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12:09.56Smeggieis swap important?
12:10.01Smeggiei have 16gb of ram
12:10.12baumSmeggie: do you want to hibernate your system?
12:10.29Smeggiehmmm
12:10.34Smeggieno not rlly
12:10.46Smeggiewhen i'm not working, i have folding@home open
12:10.52Smeggiei don't want my pc to sleep
12:10.53Smeggie:p
12:11.05baumSmeggie: then you won't need a big swap partition - a small one however is always advicable
12:11.07ChrisHbaum: what Image are you talking about?
12:11.16baumguess i'd go with about 8.5 gb
12:11.20Smeggieok
12:12.56Smeggieshould i have everything in 1 big partition
12:13.01Smeggieor should i seperate home from /
12:13.02Smeggie?
12:13.12Smeggieidk if it's that important
12:13.12Smeggieor not
12:13.38xj54ySmeggie, do you have one large hdd?
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12:13.53baumChrisH: assuming your hdd died and you want to recover your files - could the LVM be recovered without troubles?
12:13.55at0m|cSmeggie: it makes it easier to reinstall not wiping the /home partition
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12:14.40baumi usually have seperate partitions for /home / /opt /boot
12:14.50at0m|ccincoxd: cut the spam
12:14.52Smeggiei have 500gb for windows
12:14.57ChrisHbaum: from my backup. Anyhing else depends on your luck.
12:15.04Smeggiesome other stuff
12:15.10Smeggieand then i have 130 free now
12:15.11Smeggiefor linux
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12:16.05LeadCenobiteHallo
12:16.11xj54ySmeggie, unless you have some other devices you're going to mount as according to your fstab and parititon map, go ahead and just use the one large partition.
12:16.25baumChrisH: i see, guess i should read into the topic a bit - thanks for the headsup :)
12:16.46LeadCenobitehow to start NFS Server in the way that it is always NFS4?
12:17.00glogicSmeggie: I like a separate /home partition, as well as a /data partition. This makes things extremely convenient if you wish to reinstall, or even better: try another distribution of linux.
12:17.16baum+
12:17.22Smeggiehmm ok glogic
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12:17.41Smeggiesounds reasonable :p
12:18.20ChrisHbaum: I only do not use LVM for really small powered systems, everywhere else LVM only has PROs to me.
12:19.15xj54y/dev/sda1 -> /boot; /dev/sda2 -> swap; /dev/sda3 -> / ; /dev/sda4 -> home; /dev/sda5 -> /party
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12:19.27baumChrisH: do you have the root partition running on LVM aswell? or just the datadisks?
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12:20.53ChrisHbaum: everything. Only /boot on mirors, just due to historical reason..
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12:22.25baumChrisH: i see - i'll consider it once i swtich to RAID 10 on ym desktop :)
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12:22.43baumChrisH: once again, thanks for the heads up
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12:41.16KnaldgasAny socat gurus around? - Goal: socat to listen on port (1), on connect socat should connect to another port (2), send a string to 2, and then forward all data from 2 to 1.
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12:45.28hgj58https://paste.debian.net/220416/ Trying to setup a user + ssh through puppet, what in the world is happening with the user
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12:46.17hgj58.bashrc and .profile appear to be fine
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12:48.02karimbhgj58, selinux ?
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12:48.42hgj58karimb: its the default, havent touched it
12:49.02Iridoshe's a puppet to the establishment
12:50.08Iridoshgj58, looks like you're sourcing a .bashrc from dash
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12:50.45hgj58huh the shell is sh instaid of bash that might be it
12:50.50Iridosindeed
12:50.56Iridosand under debian sh --> dash
12:51.16Iridosused to be (and still is in some other distributions) sh --> bash
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12:54.14pfoteslightly OT: what could cause a process to page into swap, while plenty of filesystem buffer is still available?
12:55.04Iridos"filesystem buffer"?
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12:55.34BotaniCarIsn't swap a FS buffer, by definition ?
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12:56.11Iridosyou cannot get us that easily with your trick questions!
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12:56.15pfoteIridos: what "top" lists under "cached" .. whats the correct description?
12:56.44pfotes/description/name
12:56.46Iridos"free ram"? :)
12:57.06pfoteno, free ram is something different
12:57.12at0m|ccached is in RAM for top
12:57.12Iridosdpkg, free ram
12:57.13dpkgUnlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free.  Free RAM is wasted RAM!  Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably.  Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it.  If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'.  Also ask me about <swapwake>.
12:57.14at0m|cman top
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12:58.05Iridospfote, and I think it makes sense to swap out ram pages from a process that haven't been used in a long time to make space for short-time demand
12:58.23pfote"Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it." <== thats the point, it didnt do that
12:59.37pfoteIridos: i wouldnt complain for unused pages .. but it was a heavily used postgres that swapped, kswapd was quite busy
13:00.08pfoteand the machine had over 30GB "cached"
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13:01.18pfoteafter a postgres restart everything is fine now, swap gone and not coming back
13:01.35pfotejust wanted to understand how it can come to such a situation
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13:04.49Iridospfote, hmm, googling it seems you cannot really see what is swapped out and what not?
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13:05.35pfoteiotop shows you how much of a process is in swap
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13:07.21Iridosapparently you can sum up Swap: from /proc/<pid>/smaps
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13:07.51pfoteah
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13:08.50Iridossmem seems to show swap usage, too
13:08.58duryhi there all
13:09.22Iridosbut no idea how you could ever find out the reason why it's swapped out... how do you get the reason why the kernel does *anything*
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13:10.01pfotebut the question was not, if pg was in swap , it was .. question is why
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13:11.46duryjessie is getting hard to configure as I want to :-(
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13:12.44duryfor instance shortcut in Desktop... not success :-(
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13:14.39durymaybe I'm doing something wrong can someone assist me please
13:15.44duryhow do I upgrade to 8.1
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13:16.25m0rd3caiok guys im a little stuck/stumped. I got my laptop to not suspend when the lid is shut. I have checked /etc/UPower/Upower.conf and /etc/systemd/logind.conf. the question I have is in the logind.conf (and yes ive read the man page about it and still dont understand) I see #LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited=yes which is set by default.
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13:17.35m0rd3caiI have also set HandleLidSwitch to ignore. I have gone into gnome tweak tool and specified "nothing" for closing the lid.
13:17.55m0rd3caiive checked all the settings I can think to check and it still suspends.
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13:18.23m0rd3caiok guys im a little stuck/stumped. I got my laptop to not suspend when the lid is shut. I have checked /etc/UPower/Upower.conf and /etc/systemd/logind.conf. the question I have is in the logind.conf (and yes ive read the man page about it and still dont understand) I see #LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited=yes which is set by default.clear
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13:21.08duryit suspends to me too after while and have to type the user pwd... how to disabled that?
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13:27.21durymelter, hi there
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13:40.54Iridospfote, maybe some interesting thoughts in here https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Linux-swap-out-pages-when-I-have-many-pages-cached-and-vm-swappiness-is-set-to-0-Shouldnt-cached-pages-get-resized-and-no-swapping-should-occur?share=1
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13:41.36Iridospfote, from those...  /dev/shm is a really  good guess
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13:45.41Iridos... for your case
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13:52.58pfotei c
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13:54.01pfotemy postgres guys just came up with a nasty info ... http://www.databasesoup.com/2014/09/why-you-need-to-avoid-linux-kernel-32.html
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13:54.26xj54yhmm
13:54.27pfotethe machine in question is a wheezy .. 3.2.0-4 :-/
13:55.25pfoteseems i have to push my admins a bit in direction jessie ^^
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13:58.18jellypfote: there's not enough context in that blog article to show any conclusion or point to a specific component as cause
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14:03.21quarterbackanybody using ssmtp for sending mail?
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14:05.34SerajewelKS!anyone
14:05.34dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.  Instead, ask your real question.  (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.)  See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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14:06.09quarterbackI have problem with sending ssmtp, the program doesn't start when startd by a non-root user.
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14:06.59quarterbackI want to send a test message from command line but its stuck there without sending any email.
14:07.14quarterbackI had followed this tutorial https://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP
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14:10.51jellyquarterback: presumably you have a global /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf?
14:11.16quarterbackjelly: Yes , exactly the same
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14:11.51jellyquarterback: does your use have read access to the config file?
14:12.19quarterbackjelly: It has root access
14:12.24quarterbackI tried with root
14:12.32jellyah
14:12.45quarterbackhow do I add a user to access the config file?
14:12.49jellywell then, start the sending process with strace -f ... and see where it hangs
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14:14.11quarterbackjelly , tell me the exact syntax please.
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14:17.28pfotejelly: agreed, the articles are a bit sparse, but the author is a well known postgres core hacker, which means i trust him to some degree
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14:19.50jellyquarterback: it's literally strace -f here-goes-the-original-command-you-used-to-test-sending
14:21.13quarterbackoh, thanks
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14:25.29quarterbackjelly: strace is stuck at some point
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14:27.19ChrisHquarterback: and that line or the ones before should tell you (or us) why it does not work as expected from you.
14:27.22pl7ofitguys, my xserver say :"  (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /.../lima_dri.so " how to fix it?thx
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14:28.02quarterbackChrisH; 97b43c9000
14:28.02quarterbackread(0, ^C <unfinished ...>
14:28.08quarterbackIt was stuck at read(0
14:28.18quarterbackand then i press ^C to exit
14:28.26ChrisHquarterback: then it wants to read somehting from STDIN
14:28.47ChrisHtry date | ssmtp "testing ssmtp setup" user@domain
14:28.58quarterbackThere is no need to read from stdin as I already supplied a string
14:29.17jellyquarterback: read(0, is reading from stdin, in other words it expects some input from you.
14:29.54jellyso, read the manual for your command, it sounds as if you're not using it correctly
14:30.05quarterbackChrisH: try date | ssmtp "testing ssmtp setup" user@domain wont work
14:30.25quarterbackjelly: I followed the tutorial on debian.org
14:30.30jellyquarterback: what does it mean, "won't work"?
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14:31.00quarterbackjelly: It is stuck like earlier.
14:31.09quarterbacktrying to read from stdin as ChrisH suggested
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14:31.24jellyquarterback: what makes you think that page is a tutorial, and not merely a "this worked for me"
14:31.40quarterbackOh ok, so the tutorial is wrong
14:32.12jelly!tutorials
14:32.12dpkgA very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing.  If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial.  This is not The Proper Way.
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14:33.44ws2k3how can i find out which proces is taking all my disk resources without using iotop?
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14:34.21soundtoxinK0HAX: what up mikey
14:34.46jellyws2k3: use atop instead?
14:34.48jellyhides
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14:36.27jellyquarterback: step by step tutorials are seldom comprehensive or complete.  Best adjust your expectations.
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14:36.53quarterbackI will read the manual
14:37.01quarterbackbe back in some hours
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14:39.02zafuhi, what package should I install to see russian cyrillic chars in my xterms (and mutt)?
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14:40.45K0HAXoh wat, hi soundtoxin
14:40.54K0HAXs/soundtoxin/bradley
14:41.31soundtoxinK0HAX: I didn't expect to see you here but I pieced together the MN comcast IP and your HAM callsign
14:41.43K0HAX:P
14:41.46jellyquarterback: when I used ssmtp, I used it just as /usr/sbin/sendmail replacement, and sent mail with mailx or mutt (echo test body | mailx -s 'test subject' recipient@example.org)
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14:42.26jellyquarterback: then mailx would call ssmtp and pass the message and appropriate options
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14:42.47quarterbackcisco is Sisco nowadays :D
14:43.29quarterbackjelly: mailhub means smtp server in ssmtp?
14:44.08jellyit seems so, yes
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14:45.05YnnafHey. I'm having trouble with jessie using xfce4 : xfdesktop copy files and does not move them.
14:45.17Ynnafwhen I drag an icon
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14:45.28Ynnafis there wa way to fix this ?
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14:51.25cheleHow can I debug start-stop-daemon? I cannot start my program using it.
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15:00.06oezpedahi everybody, i have run into a problem, hope anyone can help: I use Debian 8 with gnome and it worked just fine until today. Today I could not get out of lock screen anymore because the system acted as if i was pressing the returnkey all the time. I restarted and ended up in text mode, where everything works, but idk how to get the gui back up running (startx does not work) thanks in advance
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15:01.32Ynnafoezpeda: what is in your ~/.xinitrc ?
15:01.40p3rroris there a way to run ntpdate without stopping the ntp service
15:02.19Ynnafoezpeda: what says the logs when trying to run startx ?
15:03.34oezpedamom pls
15:04.16Ynnafoezpeda: ?
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15:05.51Ynnafif you want help you must give moar details
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15:07.39oezpedawith start x the terminal seems to get stuck, the xinitrc weirdly enough is empty.. ill go and check if sth went wrong with aptitude, but it showed up as installed..
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15:10.02Ynnafwell oezpeda you don't have necesarly a xinitrc
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15:11.02Ynnaf"apt-get install xinit" -> then add a "exec theEnvIUse" to ~/.xinitrc
15:11.43oezpedai just checked, gnome is installed, so it should boot up right? sorry for being slow, i'm not used to navigating in text mode, im new to linux
15:11.56Ynnafyou should also give the logs that coms out of startx, feel free to use http://paste.debian.net/
15:12.21Ynnafwell
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15:12.51Ynnafadd "exec gnome" to xinitrc
15:12.58Ynnafand then try to startx
15:13.34Ynnaf(that will not resolve anything, thought)
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15:15.33Ynnafoezpeda: your problem is most certainly coming from the drivers thought
15:15.48head8debianIs there any qt5-multimedia in debina 8?
15:15.53head8debianOr a alternative?
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15:18.58nkuttler,v libqt5multimedia5
15:18.59juddPackage: libqt5multimedia5 on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 5.3.2-5~bpo70+1; stretch: 5.3.2-5; jessie: 5.3.2-5; sid: 5.3.2-5; experimental: 5.4.2-1
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15:21.06oezpedaallright, I'll check them, thx for your help
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15:22.30head8debiannkuttler: hmm, ok.
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15:25.06tehrabbittanyone notice the US mirror is down / not responding?
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15:31.45l3archoshow do I check if my workstation is using GTK2 or GTK3 ?
15:31.51l3archosI am on Jessie
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15:33.03airavatal3archos: you probably will have both installed
15:33.08airavatadpkg -l | grep libgtk2
15:33.09dpkgii  | grep libgtk2                 1.6-1.2           ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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15:33.26airavataTry dpkg -l | grep libgtk-3
15:33.35welpoHow do I report a bug in a package and share its fix?
15:33.47airavatal3archos: or ofc dpkg -l | grep libgtk2
15:34.30l3archoslibgtk2 is there yeah... and how do I know if an application is using gtk2 or gtk3? I mean, how do I even know, if gtk3 is available on my system?
15:34.56airavatal3archos: dpkg -l | grep libgtk-3
15:35.06l3archosas example, I have a package installed called "libwxgtk3.0-0:amd64" or "python-wxgtk3.0"
15:35.28l3archosand "libgtk-3-0:amd64", "libgtk-3-bin", ...
15:35.32l3archosso I have both, right?
15:35.38airavatadpkg tell welpo -about reportbug
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15:35.56airavatal3archos: yeah
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15:36.12welpoThank you, airavata.
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15:36.27MetaIeerHey, all.
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15:42.26Neobenedicthi welpo
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15:42.36welpohi Neobenedict
15:42.40l3archosairavata: and how do I know if an application will use GTK2 or GTK3 ? because there is an application I intent to install which says in its description: "Kompozer does NOT work with recent GNU/Linux distros because it's not compatible with GTK>=2.14" [read more here ==> http://kompozer.net/download.php]
15:42.52welpoDid you end up fixing your debian, Neobenedict?
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15:43.38Neobenedictyeah
15:45.17airavatal3archos: you can do apt-cache show <pkgname> and see the Depends: field
15:45.37l3archosairavata: which pgkname are you referring to ?
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15:46.10airavatal3archos: komposer
15:46.19l3archosairavata: there is no package "kompozer" on Jessie
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15:46.59l3archosbut hey, I even won't try to install "kompozer". I just did read, that there is no development any more, the versions are old. Mabye that's the reason it even didn't reach Wheezy
15:47.06airavatal3archos: Jessie has GTK 2.24 (>=2.14) so Kompozer wont work
15:47.07l3archosairavata: thanks however m8
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15:54.16Ynnafhey
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15:54.22YnnafI've a question regarding version
15:54.27YnnafHo is this possible :
15:54.38Ynnaf# apt-cache show thunar | grep Version
15:54.38YnnafVersion: 1.6.10-1
15:54.38YnnafVersion: 1.6.3-2
15:54.48YnnafI have two version of the same package ?
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15:56.16jellyYnnaf: apt-cache show shows available versions, not just the on installed
15:56.35Ynnafjelly: yeah, just realised that. Thanks !
15:56.46jelly,v thunar
15:56.47juddPackage: thunar on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.2-1+b1; wheezy: 1.2.3-4+b1; jessie: 1.6.3-2; stretch: 1.6.10-1; sid: 1.6.10-1
15:57.05jellywhat you may have is some insane mix of stable + something newer
15:57.38Ynnafjelly: it's not insane in fact
15:57.57Ynnafit's what I wanted : xfce on jessie have some flaws, corrected in earlier versions
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15:58.35jellyhey, as long as you don't come crying here when stuff breaks
15:58.41YnnafStrange enought jessie use xfce 4.10 witch as super annoying problems on the desktop. Was corrected in 4.12
15:58.46ws2k3how can i force close a process even if kill -9 does not work
15:58.51Ynnafjelly: sure I won't
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16:06.17Lopemy nfs client has a user `mysql` with UID 102. My NFS server UID 102 is Debian-exim. How can I fix this? Can I change the uid of user `mysql` on the client to a higher number that doesn't exist on the client or server, like 150 and then add that user and ensure it's number is correct in /etc/passwd on my server?
16:07.54rj11Lope: Sure, change that ID. But make sure that any references to the old ID are updated. (E.g. files owned by that user.)
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16:08.20Loperj11: is it okay if there is a gap in my UID numbers?
16:08.26rj11Lope: Sure
16:08.27Lopelike 101, 102, 103, 150?
16:08.52Lopeokay, then how can I update all the UID numbers? I heard of a program called usermod?
16:09.16rj11Lope: I'd probably reserve some range of high-numbers for NFS use.
16:09.49Lopeapparently usermod only works inside the home dir?
16:10.14LopeI also saw this... find / -uid 1000 -exec chown tom {} \;
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16:11.05rj11Lope: You can easily just change the ID in /etc/passwd, /etc/group and /etc/shadow. And after that make sure any files owned by that user are updated, by using find like you saw.
16:11.43Lopeokay cool thanks :)
16:12.15rj11Np. :)
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16:13.15jellyws2k3: you can't, that means it's stuck in a kernel syscall.  Often it waits for IO on a storage device or network fs that's never going to answer
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16:14.08ws2k3jelly so there is nothing i can do about it ?
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16:15.58jellyws2k3: it depends.  can you figure out with lsof what it's stuck at?
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16:17.19ws2k3jelly just lsof pid?
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16:20.44ws2k3jelly i did lsof -p pid it gives me a list of files
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16:22.23jellyws2k3: can you figure out which one might be on an inaccessible storage device and responsible for the hang?
16:22.50ws2k3i checked but as far as i can see the storages are working just fine
16:23.03ws2k3this is a xenserver and all the other vm's on the same storage are working just fine
16:23.13ws2k3its just one virtual machine that got compleetly stuck
16:23.34jellyws2k3: any usb sticks, or nfs or samba shares, or some sort of FUSE-based storage?
16:23.36ws2k3and i tryed buts its also impo impossible to kill it with kill -9
16:23.49ws2k3we use nfs
16:24.00jellyws2k3: which VM solution are you using?
16:24.09ws2k3xenserver 6.5
16:24.22ws2k3jelly thanks for your help but i have to leave now i will be back later on
16:24.26jellyask the xenserver people, then
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16:59.25CHVNXhttps://www.palemoon.org
16:59.46CHVNXAnyone use this? ^
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17:05.22at0m|cdpkg: tell CHVNX -about anyone
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17:06.25acz32CHVNX: i don't see a reason to
17:06.27CHVNXat0m|c: I'm not asking for support.  I'm literally asking if anyone uses the application. I'm not asking for details about the application, or how it's being used. I only asked if it was being used.
17:06.47CHVNXSo, please, for future reference, don't spam me with that bot. Thank you.
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17:07.03acz32plus the developer attacked his own community and broke support for firefox extensions, i believe
17:07.04at0m|cyes, people use it.
17:07.17CHVNXat0m|c: Please don't answer for other users.
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17:08.16at0m|cthere's sites that do nothing but polls. this isn't one.
17:08.29CHVNXacz32: I noticed that it's not FOSS either, as some of the tools being distributed with the software are proprietary.
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17:10.54acz32it used to be similar to iceweasel, just some changes but the user agent still identified it as firefox. now it completely broke off and considers itself its own separate project, and removed firefox so many addons for firefox are no longer compatible
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17:11.57CHVNXIt would seem that search engine traffic is redirected to the developer for ad rev, as well. Shady.
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17:16.50acz32according to wikipedia the source code is MPL 2.0, and the binaries are proprietary
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17:25.29jellyCHVNX: this channel is primarily for tech support of Debian users.  We have that bot factoid because people usually ask "does anyone use" as a polite intro to their actual question.  Questions about third party software are okay if they're in context of running them on a Debian installation, but polling is discouraged.
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17:26.59jellyHowever if the channel is idle and no actual tech support going on, like right now, a little offtopic is not a big deal.
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17:30.38CHVNXNew topic: Testing just pushed awesome 3.5. Will this break (or replace) my 3.4.x installation of awesome?
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17:30.47CHVNXexperimental*
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17:32.36jellyonly if you have experimental repo enabled and have installed that package from that repo previously, CHVNX
17:32.50jelly,v awesome
17:32.50varun_I guess I'm craving to ask a little offtopic here - Is anyone else experiencing a debian users forum (http://forums.debian.net/) down?
17:32.50juddPackage: awesome on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.4.6-1; wheezy: 3.4.13-1; jessie: 3.4.15-1+b1; stretch: 3.5.6-1; sid: 3.5.6-1
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17:32.58greycat(or an identically named package from any repository)
17:33.09jellyoh, it's in testing not experimental
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17:33.58jellyCHVNX: the usual applies: it's testing... if it breaks, file bug reports and help fixing it
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17:35.37jellyvarun_: seems unresponsive.  http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ may help next time
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17:42.39cyph3xanyone know of a way to get a VPN connection to show up in network options without reconfiguring everything? Like a toggled connection? (Im on KDE)
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17:44.03varun_thanks for the link jelly :)
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17:58.35head8debianSo im trying to build openshot 2.0, but i need qt5. The libqt5* packages don't work, so im not sure if they are the ones i need just a diferent name or what.
17:58.49head8debianCan someone help me solve this?
17:59.15chalcedony:)
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17:59.45rj11head8debian: Why don't they work?
17:59.53head8debianHere is the pastebin output of cmake. http://paste.debian.net/220555/
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18:00.48head8debian#openshot is not too much of a help. :)
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18:06.18wolfy576can someone help me with this issue: I have debian 7 with ispmanager 4 instaled, i cannot create backup on nfs mounted partition, i can log root and i can read/write on nfs partition, can someone tell me what shall i do ... ?
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18:06.41head8debianIs this more of a #cmake question?
18:07.23wolfy576head8debian , can you help ?
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18:07.32rj11head8debian: Most likely.
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18:07.59head8debianwolfy576: I wasn't talkign to you. :)
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18:08.05head8debianwolfy576: Sorry, no. ;(
18:08.13greycatwolfy576: root on an NFS client usually maps to user "nobody" on the NFS server, unless the NFS server is configured with no_root_squash for that share.
18:09.39cuscohey.. can I tell logrotate daily for a stanza, to rotate at 3am instead of midnight ?
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18:10.26wolfy576greycat , i have this mount point in fstab: ip:/folder /backup nfs rw,sync,intr 0 0
18:10.39greycatYou need to look at  /etc/exports  on the NFS server instead.
18:10.49greycatOr the equivalent if the NFS server is not Debian.
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18:14.39wolfy576greycat : nfs server is running openfiler , other clients can connect and mount nfs , the problem is with ispmanager, i get the following error: Jun 11 16:44:04 Backup ERROR (global block): Failed to chown: Operation not permitted
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18:15.06wolfy576greycat: ps: i can read/write from root on command line console
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18:15.17greycatThat sounds very much like your client root user being squashed to a non-root user on the server side.
18:15.17wolfy576on the specified folder
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18:16.14wolfy576greycat, what shall i do to fix this issue?
18:16.33greycatTell the NFS server to not squash root on this particular share for this particular client.
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18:17.06greycatIf it were a Linux system, you'd add the no_root_squash option to the list of options for that word of that share-line.
18:17.32invlpg[1]i bought a new computer and i want to use debian testing on it. now, thing is i have an ssd and a harddisk and i want to install debian on the ssd.
18:17.40invlpg[1]how will i know in installation that it is installed on the ssd?
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18:19.19rj11invlpg[1]: The installer will let you select target device.
18:19.30invlpg[1]rj11, how will i know which one is ssd?
18:20.18rj11invlpg[1]: Depends on how they're connected to the computer. The first disk will probably be sda, the second sdb.
18:20.44invlpg[1]rj11, wouldn't it know to tell whether its ssd or not?
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18:22.02acz32invlpg[1]: you should know by the capacity if nothing else
18:22.09invlpg[1]oh right
18:22.17rj11invlpg[1]: The name of the device will most likely reveal some kind of information.
18:22.23wolfy576greycat, i only have access root as client , i don't have root access on nfs server
18:22.31greycatThen you cannot fix the issue.
18:22.33invlpg[1]rj11, will not reveal, you mean?
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18:23.07CryptoSiDroot@Home-Deb:~# curl
18:23.07CryptoSiDSegmentation fault
18:23.17CryptoSiDrunning stretch, is curl package broken?
18:23.20invlpg[1]btw - http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ this is having like 3 images..it says that i should download the first but difference is of 700MB. should i download the others instead? what's the difference?
18:23.48rj11invlpg[1]: Do you have a working internet connection on the target machine? If so, I'd go with the netinstall.
18:23.49greycatCryptoSiD: http://bugs.debian.org/curl
18:24.23invlpg[1]rj11, target machine has no operating systems now
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18:24.37rj11invlpg[1]: That's not what I asked.
18:24.57invlpg[1]rj11, so yeah, i could plug in the ethernet cable to it and have internet
18:25.24rj11invlpg[1]: Does it have a working internet connection? I.e. is it connected to the internet? Download the small netinst iso, it's a few hundred MiBs. It will download what it needs from the internet.
18:25.40invlpg[1]rj11, ah and burn on a simple 700MB cd?
18:25.44rj11Yeah
18:25.51greycatI always use a net-inst image, not a full CD.
18:26.11greycatBut if your Internet connection at the target installation site is flaky or whatever, your needs may differ.
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18:26.28invlpg[1]ah but there isn't a netinst image for debian testing as i see it here
18:27.02greycat!install testing
18:27.02dpkgDaily built <netinst> images to install <testing> are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .  The chance of the testing installer being broken on any given day is quite high.  Instead, do a minimal installation using the stable installer and ask me about <stable->testing>.  Also ask me about <testing installer>, <apt-listchanges>, <d-d-a>.
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18:27.42francesco_Hi. I have a question. I'm currently experiencing some incompatibilities of my old PC, on which I have Debian installed, with some other pieces of hardware. It's a long story, but I was thinking: could recompiling the kernel be of any help? I understand that when you compile a package by yourself, the compiler usually is set according to the machine is run on. Is it so? Could it be of any help? Thanks in advance.
18:28.22invlpg[1]greycat, hmm i don't understand. so you install stable but then how do you get the testing?
18:28.29greycatBy upgrading.
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18:29.04invlpg[1]greycat, how?
18:29.06greycatfrancesco_: what kind of "incompatibilities" are you talking about?
18:29.15greycat!tell invlpg[1] about stable->testing
18:29.54wolfy576greycat , another issue, how can i extract email addresses from a .sql dump ?
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18:31.37francesco_greycat, when I try to use my scanner with my "old" PC I only get totally black pages. With my newer PC, it works fine. With my old PC, certain HTML YouTube videos are slower. With my newer PC they're not. I attribute these problems to the lack of some "drivers", or some "problems" of the Kernel. Is it so? Could recompiling the kernel solve the problem?
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18:32.42roziefrancesco_: I doubt it's the kernel. YT is flash and this isn't free software; scanner - check configuration
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18:33.18nmschulte__Does Sid (unstable) receive security updates?  Should I have `deb http://security.debian.org/ sid/updates main contrib non-free` in my sources.list for Sid?  I'm thinking not...
18:33.33francesco_rozie, how do I check the configuration of the scanner?
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18:34.34francesco_However, rozie, aren't some videos available also as HTML 5 videos?
18:35.05roziefrancesco_: I'd use less or favourite text editor to read the config. but I don't have a scanner
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18:35.23roziefrancesco_: do you use flash or html5, then?
18:36.27chalcedonyi have a new computer with my squeeze drive in it. i keep getting notes that it can't see the internet? I've tried a few things, but not getting far.
18:36.28rozieanyway, 99.99% kernel isn't the cause. don't touch it.
18:36.35francesco_I don't have flash installed. They browser automatically loads the HTML 5 version of the video, I presume. But my major problem now is the scanner.
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18:37.58roziefrancesco_: find out, what software do you use for scanner. compare configurations
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18:38.16chalcedonyi need to trouble shoot it, i'm not having luck. it's a Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 with an AMD FX Black Edition processor
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18:38.38francesco_rozie, I use sane. Sane, as far as I know (I could be wrong), doesn't need to be configured.
18:38.52invlpg[1]i downloaded the netinst installer and grabbed a 700mb image. in nero, should i burn a data cd?
18:39.12rj11invlpg[1]: No, that'll probably write the ISO as a file on the CD.
18:39.21rj11invlpg[1]: There should be some option to write an image.
18:39.28rj11s/write/burn/
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18:39.42invlpg[1]rj11, there's: record a disc from disc image previously burned onto harddrive
18:39.47invlpg[1]rj11, is this it?
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18:40.12rj11invlpg[1]: Sounds like it.
18:40.17rj11invlpg[1]: I haven't used Nero in years.
18:40.31invlpg[1]what good software do you use?
18:40.33francesco_rozie, I'm not an expert, but why do people recompile the kernel by themselves, usually?
18:41.09gebjgdfrancesco_, to use the new features and get new driver support
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18:41.14greycatMany years ago, it was common to build your own kernels, because (a) doing so was much simpler than it is now; (b) CPUs were slower, so optimizing for a specific CPU gave more benefit
18:41.19rj11invlpg[1]: ImgBurn
18:41.25Mahalowhich best option to install linux/debian , using cd or usb ?
18:41.31rj11invlpg[1]: I don't use Windows too often though.
18:41.33greycatAnd by benefit I mean a barely-noticeable speed improvement.
18:41.37gebjgdMahalo, usb
18:41.38greycatNot features.
18:42.07Mahaloty
18:42.15francesco_greycat, what does gebjgd mean, when he says "get new driver support"?
18:42.59gebjgdfrancesco_, the brand new hardware will be supported in new kernel
18:43.06greycatThat would only happen if you're building a DIFFERENT kernel than the one your OS is already using.  Like installing Linux 4.0 on Debian stable that currently uses Linux 3.16.
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18:43.17greycatPeople who do that, we call "crazy".
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18:43.49johnTeesoo... i added an irc account in the online account and it's working! but, how do i configure the channel list and all that? mm?
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18:44.02jellywouldn't crazy be building the very same kernel for no raisin
18:44.18greycatYou mentioned video drivers.  Those are usually separate from the kernel.  If your card needs a proprietary video driver (like some nVidia cards do) for full support, then you can approach that problem.
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18:44.44francesco_greycat, what about my scanner?
18:44.51greycatI don't know about scanners.
18:45.31jellynmschulte__: when there's a fix it just gets uploaded to sid.  No security repo, no security support.  Enjoy!
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18:45.44buddybenjFor some reason, Debian is detecting my gamepad as a mouse. Is there any way to make Debian see it as a Gamepad HID device so I can use it in games?
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18:46.47francesco_Once, I had a similar problem, with Octave (a mathematical package). It crashed every time I tried to plot a function. I discovered that the problem was related to a library that was too "optimized" for my current CPU. I could solve the problem otherwise, but I was suggested to recompile the library by myself. Could have it worked?
18:47.09nmschulte__jelly: as I suspected; thanks much
18:47.36jellynmschulte__: ask dpkg about: sid faq
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18:48.58johnTeehelp please? :P
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18:50.09head8debianjohnTee: What IRC client are you using?
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18:50.26head8debianjohnTee: Its a tad off-topic for #debian. :)
18:50.40chalcedonyhi JohnDoh
18:50.45chalcedonyer johnTee :)
18:50.51johnTeei'm trying to use the gnome feature
18:50.55johnTeeof online accounts
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18:51.18johnTeei added an irc account, and i can see that it's online, i can pm myself
18:51.25johnTeebut, what about channels? :P
18:51.49francesco_greycat, gebjgd, however. Thank you for your help an patience. I'll try to solve the problem following your suggestion. See you. :)
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18:54.00gebjgdfrancesco_, you re welcome
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18:57.15johnTeeanyway, i guess i will stick with xchat :P
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18:58.02head8debian:)
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18:59.47CryptoSiDok i found what broken curl
18:59.59CryptoSiDlibnettle6:i386 (3.1.1-3, automatic), libhogweed4:i386 (3.1.1-3, automatic)
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19:00.22CryptoSiDsince i apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade, it upgraded those 2 package, and curl is broken since then
19:00.34CryptoSiDJun 11 14:58:00 CryptoSiD kernel: [ 1227.253285] curl[1529]: segfault at 10 ip b73c2788 sp bfff70b0 error 4 in libnettle.so.4.7[b73a0000+33000]
19:00.34CryptoSiDJun 11 14:58:01 CryptoSiD kernel: [ 1228.395079] curl[1530]: segfault at 10 ip b73db788 sp bfda0a40 error 4 in libnettle.so.4.7[b73b9000+33000]
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19:02.53CryptoSiDbut i don't know how to fix this
19:03.01CryptoSiDapt-file is broken since it use curl
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19:03.41greycatDowngrade to the last known working version.
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19:05.00CryptoSiDi "fixed" it
19:05.21wakatana2Hello I have problem with flash internal microphone it simply does not get any impot from microphone. But the mic is working because when I did 'pactl load-module module-loopback latency_msec=1' I was able to hear my echo in headphones
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19:05.43wakatana2I've tested in on this page http://www.onlinemictest.com/
19:05.50gnudonhello all
19:05.51CryptoSiDmoved libnettle.so.6 to libnettle.so.4.7
19:06.03CryptoSiDso its using libnettle.so.6 instead of 4.7 and its working fine
19:06.05wakatana2mic is enabled via flash-player-properties for this page
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19:07.06hannes2hey, i am trying to find out where https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/quakespasm is/was changed to load files from /usr/share/ . i am not a debian guy so i am utterly confused. maybe its maintainers are here and willing to share? :)
19:07.18hannes2trying to redo the same for arch
19:07.43greycatThe debian packager's changes would be found in the .diff.gz file, if there is one.
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19:08.12wakatana2also under pavucontrol it works
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19:08.20greycatHmm.  Looks like they changed things around a lot.
19:08.27hannes2i am staring at http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-games/quakespasm.git/tree/debian :)
19:08.34greycatIs it the .debian.tar.xz file now?
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19:10.20hannes2i could imagine that it uses a additional script to simply pass "-basedir ..." to quakespasm but can't find anything. grepped the tree for "share" with no luck
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19:10.37hannes2it could be related to https://packages.debian.org/sid/quake for all that i know but that confused me to no end
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19:11.45cybrNautaptitude tells me snort and pwsafe are "obsolete".  i think it wants to remove them.  any idea why these two packages are regarded obsolete, and how to find out what's proposed as a replacement?
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19:13.01nmschulte__I'm wanting to make snapshots/backups of my system, similar to Apple's time machine or Microsoft's system restore.  Can anyone point me in the right direction?
19:13.51hannes2nmschulte_: not sure what those two do, but i am extremely happy with attic. super fast, hip and deduplicatnig
19:13.54cybrNautnmschulte__: if the backups are offsite, then consider duplicity
19:14.56nmschulte__For the moment, I just want the restore point of my current setup (filesystem(s)) so I can get back here quickly later if I screw up.  I can work at the holy grail/unencumbered restore later.
19:15.04nmschulte__should I simply rsync to a different disk?
19:15.51cybrNautnmschulte__: sure, if it need not be encrypted
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19:16.08nmschulte__not at the moment, I can manage that security for the time being.
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19:16.52cybrNautrsync is good.  duplicity uses it internally
19:17.57cybrNaut,v pwsafe
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19:17.57juddPackage: pwsafe on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.2.0-3
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19:20.01nmschulte__thanks all, I'll do rsync for the time being.  I'll look into duplicity and off-site backup w/ encryption later.
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19:21.15Akuwi just created a crontab but never execute
19:21.15cybrNautnmschulte__: there is also "AMANDA"
19:21.41greycatWhere did you define the crontab entry, what does the entry say, and how do you know it did not run?
19:21.43Akuw01 * * * * /home/x/test/result.sh
19:21.43hannes2could someone check if quakespasm from the repos really reads /usr/share/games/quake/quakespasm.pak ? "strace -e file quakespasm 2>&1 | grep quakespasm.pak" should work. thanks!
19:21.43cybrNautthough i'm not endorsing AMANDA.. not sure if it's still around either
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19:21.57greycatDid you wait an hour for it?
19:21.57hannes2Akuw: is the file executable?
19:22.23greycatThat won't run (again) until 16:01 in my time zone.
19:22.32Akuwhannes2: but i want to execute each minute
19:22.38greycatThen you need * * * * *
19:22.44Akuwhummm
19:22.58cybrNaut,v snort
19:22.59juddPackage: snort on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.5.2-8; wheezy: 2.9.2.2-3; sid: 2.9.7.0-4
19:23.02greycatWhat you've written runs at 00:01, 01:01, 02:01 and so on.  Once per hour.
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19:24.33Akuwt check crontab i use only crontab -e    right ?
19:24.34cybrNautAkuw: for each minute, consider using /watch/
19:24.55buddybenjBump. Does anyone have a solution for my HID controller being detected as a mouse? How do I configure it so programs/games detect it when they search for gamepads?
19:25.07cybrNautwatch -n 60 /home/x/test/result.sh
19:25.13AkuwcybrNaut: ?
19:25.19cybrNaut^
19:25.33AkuwCybrNaut: ?
19:25.43cybrNautof course, that won't survive reboots
19:25.52greycatAkuw: crontab -e is for editing.  If you only want to check it, use crontab -l.
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19:26.42NoImNotNineVoltputting that watch line in an init script should do it.
19:26.53Akuwby now nothing
19:27.07Akuwmy script test is       ls -l >> file
19:27.57cybrNautanother option: at now <<< '/home/x/test/result.sh; at now +1 min <<< /home/x/test/result.sh'
19:27.58hannes2Akuw: is the file executable?
19:28.12Akuwhannes2: have 777 permission
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19:28.41cybrNautnvm.. my recursion is broken
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19:28.48greycatYou mean 755.
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19:29.03Akuw777
19:29.19greycatYou might as well fix that now, before you forget.
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19:29.24Akuwi changed to 755
19:29.39greycatWhere did you define the crontab entry, what does the entry say, and how do you know it did not run?
19:29.40invlpg[1]hi, im installing debian and it says it needs rtl_nic/rtl-8168e-3.fw to continue..
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19:29.59invlpg[1]because it is in the non free..how can i tell to download it from apt? i don't mind it..
19:30.53cybrNautinvlpg[1]: iirc, you must download it in advance, and the supply it manually
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19:31.07greycatSince it's a network driver, you have a catch-22.
19:31.14Akuwcrontab is defined in my /home/x
19:31.15invlpg[1]cybrNaut, hmm..what do you mean?
19:31.18greycatCan't download network driver without network driver.
19:31.30invlpg[1]i can plug in usb and it will take from there
19:31.36greycatAkuw: No.  Did you put it in /etc/crontab or did you use the "crontab -e" command?
19:31.39invlpg[1]but if i burned the whole debian image (3.7GB) instead of the netinst
19:31.42invlpg[1]would it worked?
19:31.46Akuwi used crontab -e
19:31.51greycatAkuw: What does it say?
19:32.02Akuw* * * * * /home/x/test/result.sh
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19:32.21greycatAkuw: How do you know it didn't run?
19:32.35invlpg[1]would it worked just out of the box?
19:32.35Akuwthere is no the output file
19:32.45cybrNautinvlpg[1]: i think so.  you install from disc, then change your sources.list to include non-free
19:32.55greycatAkuw: then look for errors in that user's email, and in /var/log/messages (I think)
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19:33.34greycatOops.  It's /var/log/syslog apparently.
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19:33.57invlpg[1]cybrNaut, okay. thanks!
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19:35.35cybrNautinvlpg[1]: otoh, you'll probably lose connectivity once the installer is no longer in play
19:35.51cybrNautinvlpg[1]: so you still have the catch-22
19:35.54invlpg[1]cybrNaut, what do you mean?
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19:36.41cybrNautwell after it's installed, if you set it to allow non-free, you won't be able to do an "aptitude update" without the nic driver
19:36.59epicnahby the way, if im using live install ISO, does it make a sense for the installation process if the internet disconnected nor using squid proxy ?
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19:38.34cybrNautinvlpg[1]: you should write some live media first (e.g. knoppix), and boot that to download the nic driver, so you have the deb file
19:38.34Mahaloby the way, if im using live install ISO, does it make a sense for the installation process if the internet disconnected nor using squid proxy ?
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19:38.51greycatI can't even parse that question.
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19:39.50invlpg[1]cybrNaut, ah, yes..
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19:40.35invlpg[1]cybrNaut, it complained about rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw so i found the tar.gz in the deb package
19:40.48cybrNautinvlpg[1]: or download the deb file now, using whatever connection is permitting you to be in irc
19:40.48invlpg[1]cybrNaut, now im thinking where to put it...just over some usb? under what path?
19:40.55invlpg[1]another computer
19:40.59invlpg[1]downstairs
19:42.16cybrNautinvlpg[1]: you can just keep the deb file on a removable disc/usb drive.. do the debian disc install, then install the non-free deb file from the removable disk
19:42.27AkuwJun 11 15:05:01 wiki CRON[11865]: (x) CMD (/home/x/test/resultado.sh)
19:42.35AkuwJun 11 15:05:01 wiki CRON[11865]: (x) CMD (/home/x/test/result.sh)
19:42.55cybrNautinvlpg[1]: and you should boycott the maker of your NIC
19:43.04greycatAkuw: so it *is* running.  Or trying to.
19:43.16invlpg[1]cybrNaut, but it is complaining it does not have the specific rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw
19:43.29invlpg[1]cybrNaut, and asking for me to put to on usb and plug usb so it could be used..
19:43.43CryptoSiD,v libnettle4
19:43.44juddPackage: libnettle4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.4-3; wheezy-backports: 2.7.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.7.1-5; stretch: 2.7.1-5
19:43.54CryptoSiD,v libnettle6
19:43.56juddPackage: libnettle6 on amd64 -- sid: 3.1.1-3; stretch: 3.1.1-3
19:43.56cybrNautbtw, there is a boycott plugin, called "webcott", which blocks non-linux-supporting websites
19:44.18greycathow does one define "linux-supporting website"?
19:44.35invlpg[1]cybrNaut, so im thinking whether to just put it in a directory rtl_nic in a usb fat32 formatted
19:44.45Akuwgreycat: but why don't create file ?
19:44.54cybrNautgreycat: it's very primitive/grassroots.. hard-coded for some known sites
19:44.56greycatAkuw: read that user's EMAIL to see if there were any error messages from the job itself.
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19:45.17cybrNautgreycat: it's a project that could use more traction
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19:45.28greycatAkuw: does the script have a proper shebang?  Are the permissions still correct?  Is it on a file system that is NOT mounted with noexec?
19:45.41cybrNautinvlpg[1]: not sure about the particulars
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19:46.34Akuwno, is in my home dir
19:46.51Akuwi test runing ./result.sh and it create the file
19:46.53greycatAkuw: read the email.  I've said that three times now.  That is THE most important thing.
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19:48.02karlpincUrgle!  Upgrading to jessie broke the web interface to mailman.  It seems the problem is that the cgi module is not enabled.
19:48.03Lopeif I want to rename a user, is it as simple as editing their name in /etc/passwd and renaming their home dir?
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19:48.37swairhi, I'm compiling kernel on debian, doing make install replaces the current kernel in grub options. How do I keep the old kernel image in grub?
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19:48.51rj11Lope: Don't forget /etc/group and /etc/shadow
19:49.13karlpincLope: and possibly gshadow.
19:49.18rj11Lope: That'll do it, but you'll have to update any other references to their new names as well.
19:49.39buddybenjFor some reason my graphics are very slow. I'm using a Radeon R9 270X.
19:49.40karlpincLope: Like /etc/mail/aliases or the like.
19:49.52buddybenjIs it just because of bad Radeon support?
19:50.05gihadHey guys, I installed debian stretch on a co-workers machine and he can't access any https sites that use TLS below version 1.2. The issue occurs on both google-chrome and iceweasel. I don't think it's browser specific. Anyone have ideas?
19:50.05karlpincLope: And possibly /var/mail/<mailboxname>
19:50.23Lopeok thanks :)
19:50.49karlpincLope: And /var/spool/cron/crontabs/...
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19:52.43invlpg[1]cybrNaut, is it possible to just shutdown before doing anything? im planning on downloading the full image..
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19:53.03invlpg[1]cybrNaut, it would not hurt to power off, right? it didn't do anything yet, just selected language and then it stuck on the network card driver
19:53.29karlpincgihad: Things break in testing.  Check the bug tracking system or the changelog.Debian files.
19:53.45karlpincgihad: See sources.debian.net for the changelogs.
19:53.59karlpincinvlpg[1]: No won't hurt.
19:54.23invlpg[1]thanks!
19:54.23karlpincinvlpg[1]: Go ahead and power off.
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20:02.10gihadI installed debian stretch on a co-workers machine and he can't access any https sites that use TLS below version 1.2. The issue occurs on both google-chrome and iceweasel. I don't think it's browser specific. Anyone have ideas of what could help me pinpoint the problem?
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20:13.41nmschulte__How can I use rsync to create an incremental backup in a new directory given a src and a previous backup?
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20:15.18greycatwhen you run rsync again, it just copies the stuff that needs copying
20:15.23RichNhey guys working on a pkg but having issues
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20:15.34RichN.changes put in a distribution not listed within it!
20:15.35RichNTo ignore use --ignore=wrongdistribution.
20:15.49RichNbut I cant find where the issue is
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20:16.44nmschulte__greycat: how do I tell it where to do the diff, and where the new dir is?
20:17.15greycatnmschulte__: are you saying you want a *separate* incremental backup, which exists in a different place than the previous backup?
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20:17.54nmschulte__do I want the --backup and --backup-dir options to rsync?
20:18.02nmschulte__greycat: exactly
20:18.02greycatI don't know what you want yet.
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20:18.41nmschulte__greycat: yes, I want the incremental in a separate directory; so I can go to backup pt 0, or backup pt 1, (or future backup pt X).
20:18.45greycatI guess what I would do is take the previous rsync backup, and back THAT up, and label it "old backup", then do another rsync from the original source to the original backup, and that'll be the up to date backup.
20:19.15nmschulte__greycat: but it will use over 2x the space, no?
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20:19.46greycatWhat makes you think rsync is suited for what you want?  If it is, the #rsync channel may know how.
20:19.50greycatThat's not how I've ever used it.
20:20.53nmschulte__greycat: rsync may not be what I want, but I suspect it is.  I found an ArchWiki article that might hold the magic, I'll let you know if you're interested what I discover.
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20:21.37nmschulte__https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Rsync#Differential_backup_on_a_week
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20:21.50nmschulte__and the next section, discuss exactly what I want.  Thanks greycat.
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20:22.39nmschulte__lo and behold... "The same idea can be used to maintain a tree of snapshots of your files. In other words, a directory with date-ordered copies of the files. The copies are made using hardlinks, which means that only files that did change will occupy space. Generally speaking, this is the idea behind Apple's TimeMachine."
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20:23.44linuxdhow to connect to OFTC server?
20:24.14greycat/msg dpkg oftc
20:24.35babilenlinuxd: "/connect irc.oftc.net" wouldn't be too far off
20:24.51greycatthe actual commands will depend on the IRC client
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20:25.55babilenHmm, isn't CONNECT part of the RFC?
20:26.11babilenanyway, not really a Debian problem </ot>
20:26.50linuxdbabilen ,greycat: ok,thanx a lot
20:27.23linuxdi used /server and it worked
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20:27.58greycatnmschulte__: if I understand that right, he's not actually using rsync to do the snapshots.  He's using "cp -al" to do the snapshots, based on an rsync'ed backup.
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20:28.26nmschulte__greycat: the "daily snapshot" builds upon the "weekly backup" from the section above.
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20:28.40nmschulte__and there's some logic in the script it seems for optimization.
20:29.10nmschulte__but you're right, it's not using --backup and --backup-dir, so that's interesting...
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20:29.18greycatnmschulte__: he would also trigger at least three factoids in #bash with that script.
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20:30.25nmschulte__Ah, wait.  The snapshot backup is just the daily differential, but with hardlinks to get a full representation in  the dir.
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20:30.40nmschulte__I dont' care about the convenience factor at the moment, I just want the darned backup
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20:31.00nmschulte__I'll find the real optimal automatic solution later.  looks like I want --backup and --backup-dir magic.
20:31.32greycatnmschulte__: #rsync would definitely know more about it than I do.
20:32.09nmschulte__greycat: thanks for the help!
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20:35.43lasersnmschulte__: Found this for you. https://blog.interlinked.org/tutorials/rsync_time_machine.html
20:35.43dTalIs there any way to persuade aptitude to install recommended packages after the fact, without having to manually mark them as automatically installed?
20:36.22dTalThe manpage suggests -r, but aptitude seems to ignore that flag.
20:37.35nmschulte__lasers, thanks.  I'll check this out when I check out duplicity (which was also recommended, and is based upon rsync).
20:37.51blockyhi, i was in here the other day asking about my clock being wrong. I reset it to the correct time and it's reverted again. Now 5 hours ahead of where it should be
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20:38.15dTalblocky: east coast?
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20:38.25greycatblocky: is it a PC with just one OS on it, or is it Debian inside a VM, or Debian as a VPS...?
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20:41.03ryoumanmschulte__: rsnapshot in the debian repos does all that and is possibly the most popular of the zillion billion scripts that were inspired by mike rubel's article (which explains both cp -al and rsync --link-dest as does rsnapshot docs)
20:41.16steloran_METALER IN ##PHYSICS AND ##NOT-PHYSICS IS METALEER THE CUNT IS BACK
20:41.29blockygreycat: it's a laptop, installed directly on hd
20:41.41greycatblocky: do you dual-boot with Windows?
20:41.42blockydTal: i'm on PDT, it's gone 5 hours ahead
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20:41.57blockygreycat: i have several OSs installed but i don't boot them often and i haven't bootd windows since the problem happened
20:42.01dTaloh, you're not just on UTC then
20:42.01blockyi did reboot though
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20:42.36greycatLast time I read about this (it's been a while), if you dual-boot with Windows, you need to tell Linux that the HW clock will be stored in localtime rather than UTC.
20:42.43Mahaloim using I5. which debian is compatible for me, amd64 or i386 ?
20:43.02greycatMahalo: I would use amd64.  Either will work, but i386 is kind of considered legacy now.
20:43.11blockyif that was the issue wouldn't it be off by 8 hours?
20:43.11Mahaloty
20:43.29dTalI think the issue is that -r does nothing if the package is already installed, and doesn't itself recurse through dependencies - so if the original recommends came with a dependency of the package, then removing and reinstalling doesn't help if you leave the dependencies in place
20:43.56Guest35780I seem to have an issue configuring post-up actions in /etc/network/interfaces under D8.  It looks like the route add commands are not being executed properly
20:44.31hRedBeardI'm putting a pastie up
20:44.38greycatblocky: well, in any case, try reading "man hwclock" and see what that reveals.  It's a very strange problem if it's not simply UTC/localtime mixup.
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20:44.51nmschulte__greycat: there is a registry setting in Windows to tell Windows that the hardware clock is UTC.
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20:45.07nmschulte__it's not 100% supported on Windows according to the docs, but I've not had issues using it.
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20:45.36nmschulte__ryouma: thanks, added rsnapshot to the list.
20:45.36mevonhello i need help with GLIBC 2.14 on Jessie
20:45.45greycat,v libc6
20:45.46juddPackage: libc6 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u6; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u6; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u8; jessie: 2.19-18; stretch: 2.19-18; sid: 2.19-18; experimental: 2.21-0experimental0
20:45.57greycatWhy are you trying to put an old GLIBC on jessie?
20:46.06mevonanyone know how to get glibc >= 2.14?
20:46.11greycatjessie has 2.19
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20:46.17mevonmine has 2.13
20:46.26mevonidk why
20:46.28greycatThen you are not fully upgraded to jessie.
20:46.30twiggzdpkg-reconfigure console-setup does not survive a reboot?
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20:47.46jhutchinstwiggz: Are you asking us or telling us?
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20:48.04twiggzOh, sorry. Im telling you.
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20:48.51mevonjessie comes with 2.13
20:48.53mevon2.13-38+deb7u8
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20:49.31jhutchins,v glibc
20:49.32juddNo package named 'glibc' was found in amd64.
20:49.33mevongreycat: can you help me out?
20:49.42jhutchinsAh, greycat got it.
20:49.57mevonim on amd64
20:50.01greycatYou are simply wrong.  WHEEZY came with 2.13.  Jessie comes with 2.19.  You are wholly or partly still on wheezy.
20:50.03jhutchins!archive
20:50.03dpkgit has been said that archive is a collection of files.  'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools.  This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation.  Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive .  For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>.  Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/
20:50.16greycatFollow the wheezy->jessie upgrade steps.
20:50.20hRedBeardhttp://pastebin.com/r5g1PRjs
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20:50.32mevongreycat: i installed from jessie, not upgraded from wheezy
20:50.44greycatmevon: run this:  dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1
20:51.11mevonii  libc6:amd64                           2.13-38+deb7u8                     amd64        Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries
20:51.30jhutchinsIt is fairly likely that at one point in testing jessie did have 2.13.
20:51.38greycatThat is wheezy's libc6.
20:51.49ryoumanmschulte__: i don't understand --backup and --backup-dir in rsync.  i'd like to.  but they are for a different purpose.  --link-dest is the hardlinking one.  it's an intelligent hardlinker, compared to cp -al.  it will not hardlink things that have different metadata.
20:51.56greycatjhutchins: it wouldn't have had wheezy's u8 update, though.
20:52.04mevongreycat: i believe you how can i get the one for jessie?
20:52.14jhutchinsmevon: Note teh place where it says deb7
20:52.22greycatmevon: make sure your /etc/apt/sources.list says "jessie" and not "wheezy".  apt-get update.  apt-get dist-upgrade.
20:52.30mevonok
20:52.57mevoncrap
20:53.04mevonim on wheezy lols
20:53.35nmschulte__ryouma: my understanding is that --backup and --backup-dir are useful simply for a single differential backup between an old backup and the updated source.
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20:54.01mevongreycat: thank you i was sure i installed from jessie
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20:54.21nmschulte__it won't get me "running snapshots" like TimeMachine, it'll just let me put the incremental between src/old_dest in new_dest, thus saving space.
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20:55.07mevongreycat: can you help me get the 2.14 or higher in wheezy?
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20:55.22ryoumanmschulte__: yeah they seem really limited to me.  all i want for that purpose is numbered gnu-style backups.  (separate problem from the purpose for which --link-dest and cp -al are the solutions.)
20:55.29nmschulte__Is there a build of chromium that doesn't depend upon gnome-keyring and friends?  Or should I stop fighting it (GNOME) and just bite the bullet...
20:55.29greycatmevon: that would be silly.  Just upgrade to jessie.
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20:57.12mevonguess i would have to compile from sources
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20:59.11mevongreycat: cant i just add the jessie rep without updating everything else?
20:59.30greycatno
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21:01.59jhutchinsmevon: libc is one of the elements that anchors a release.
21:02.55mevonjhutchins: ok i see
21:03.30valdynnmschulte__: it does not depend on gnome-keyring
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21:21.27nmschulte__valdyn: thank you!  I was confusing things apparently.  It seems that, with aptitude's interactive mode, if I mark a package for install, and then later (without ever having installed it) mark that package for purge (uninstall, undo the install mark), aptitude leaves some of the deps marked as to be installed.
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21:23.49klysok I saw the following in tail /var/log/xcp-squeezed.log: [20150611T20:19:51.688Z|debug|new|0||xenstore-rpc] Caught exception Xenctrl.Error("13: Permission denied")
21:23.53klysanyone using xen4.5 with debian?
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21:41.30bhishmajudd depends chromium
21:41.31juddPackage chromium in jessie/amd64 -- depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.15), libcairo2 (>= 1.6.0), libcups2 (>= 1.4.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.4), libexpat1 (>= 2.0.1), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.11), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.9), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.37.3), libgnome-keyring0 (>= 3.2.2-2~), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libharfbuzz0b (>= 0.9.11), libjpeg62-turbo (>=
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22:00.16pedro__hi, i cant make skype recogize my usb micrphone, i use to have it working in the past
22:00.27invlpg[1]im installing debian at this moment and i have an ssd and harddisk..i choose the guided partitioning to install the system on the ssd
22:00.38invlpg[1]but it does not format the harddisk and i want it to..
22:01.02invlpg[1]so, for instance, when apt downloads new packages, it will go to the harddisk
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22:01.31pirithousI'm installing Debian 8.1 from the Network Install CD, and got a GRUB rescue prompt which came up saying "file not found" after the install completed. Any advice?
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22:04.48pirithousended up reinstalling GRUB and now it worked. maybe a known issue?
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22:12.02xj54yknown unknown issue?
22:12.39invlpg[1]how should i partition the ssd and harddisk in the debian installation? :( what to put where? where to make the swap?
22:13.11xj54y/dev/sda1 -> /boot; /dev/sda2 -> swap; /dev/sda3 -> / ; /dev/sda4 -> home; /dev/sda5 -> /party
22:13.16tensorpuddinginvlpg[1]: You probably ought to do manual partitioning.
22:13.33invlpg[1]tensorpudding, yes but what then? what should go where?
22:13.36tensorpuddingGuide partitioning isn't smart enough to know where you want what files across multiple harddrives.
22:13.56tensorpuddingWell, I mean, that depends on what *you* want?
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22:14.07xj54ytensorpudding, like your nick hehe
22:14.31invlpg[1]tensorpudding, all i want is the actual system and programs to be on the ssd and all the rest (any variable data) to reside on the hdd
22:14.43invlpg[1]tensorpudding, i want to minimize writes to the ssd as possible
22:14.47xj54yinvlpg[1], which drive is the ssd?
22:14.55invlpg[1]xj54y, sda and sdb is the hdd
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22:14.58tensorpuddingYou should have /boot and / be on the SSD, but do you want a separate /home on the harddisk, or not?
22:15.36xj54yinvlpg[1], which is the sdd?
22:15.48invlpg[1]tensorpudding, yeah, /home to go there..but if / is on the ssd, where all the data go under the fs?
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22:15.58invlpg[1]xj54y, sda is the ssd, sdb is the hdd
22:16.21acz32are people still worried about read/write to SSDs? how long do those things last?
22:16.30tensorpuddingacz32: Long time.
22:17.01acz32like a decade?
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22:17.25invlpg[1]any ideas guys? :( how should i partition it?
22:17.27hyper-googlerhi getting an error with wget command "after loading root certs, loaded==false: NSS error code:-8016 I cant find this error in the list i came across anyone able to help point me to a list that has this error on it?
22:17.31xj54y/dev/sda1 -> /boot; /dev/sda2 -> /; /dev/sdb1 -> swap ; /dev/sdb2 -> /home; /dev/sdb3 -> /opt
22:17.39xj54yinvlpg[1]
22:17.40tensorpuddingacz32: Maybe less than a decade if you use it heavily and you get unlucky.
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22:18.03tensorpuddingWhy /opt on a separate drive...
22:18.31invlpg[1]tensorpudding, he meant on the hdd
22:18.37xj54yyeah
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22:18.42invlpg[1]what is /opt for?
22:18.43tensorpuddingI mean, a different drive than the rest of /
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22:19.05invlpg[1]and when / is on the ssd, does it mean that any other directory, such as /var, reside under the ssd?
22:19.14hyper-googlerscratch that I think its a problem with htmldoc not with wget
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22:19.18xj54yinvlpg[1], optional stuff.. not necessarily core to the system
22:19.37xj54yinvlpg[1], yes.. you can change that too if you like
22:19.45invlpg[1]xj54y, hmm, first of all, great thanks. what size should each partition hold?
22:19.51tensorpuddingI'm not sure /opt has a set use nowadays, but people generally put apps there that are large and not managed by the package manager, so that it won't interfere with /usr hierarchy.
22:19.59xj54yinvlpg[1], what's the size of the drives?
22:20.04invlpg[1]where all the apt user data go to?
22:20.07tensorpuddingIf you don't install third-party software it will be empty.
22:20.13tensorpuddinginvlpg[1]: In /var/cache
22:20.14invlpg[1]xj54y, ssd is 256gb, hdd is 2tb
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22:20.27invlpg[1]so should not /var/cache reside on hdd?
22:20.31invlpg[1]ssd is 240gb*
22:20.41tensorpuddingIf you really, really want to separate out "heavy write" files then /var would be one.
22:21.05invlpg[1]aha, okay
22:21.35invlpg[1]so, if / is under ssd, so anything else not explicitly said so, also goes under the ssd?
22:21.45tensorpuddingThat directory has things like the mail spool, the caches for various programs, and others.
22:21.56tensorpuddingYeah.
22:22.03xj54ylogs
22:22.08xj54ysyslog
22:22.13invlpg[1]tensorpudding, i don't think it should have its own partition in the disk.. :/
22:22.18invlpg[1]i just want it to go under the hdd
22:22.43xj54ythen yeah, /dev/sdb4 -> /var
22:23.05tensorpuddingYou might consider doing LVM.
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22:23.31xj54yit'll allow you to resize your partitions later on if you so choose
22:23.41invlpg[1]hmm what's that, i saw that option..
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22:23.52tensorpuddingYou can "easily" migrate partitions that way if you want to change your setup later.
22:23.53invlpg[1]ah
22:24.17invlpg[1]what if i still want anything that is not /boot or / that is system related, to be put under hdd?
22:24.25invlpg[1]without having to partition the hdd that much..
22:25.12xj54yquite a lot of space on the sdd will be unused. Do you want your home directory split across sda and sdb?
22:25.18xj54yIf so, LVM
22:25.45invlpg[1]and also, how much should i give for /boot or /swap or anything? im not sure how much it really needs..
22:25.55invlpg[1]why should the home directory be split?
22:26.02invlpg[1]and not just on hdd
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22:28.08invlpg[1]any hints? :(
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22:28.51xj54ySpeed.
22:29.17pirithoustrying to install software on Debian 8.1 that requires mp3gain, but found this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=761847 I cannot get around this error message "Some packages could not be installed"... is there a way around this?
22:29.18juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/761847 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: mp3gain -- ROM; dead upstream, probably insecure»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-09-16; last modified: 2014-10-17.
22:29.46xj54yinvlpg[1], for swap, give double your amount of ram. For boot, 512MB should be more than adequate.
22:29.47invlpg[1]xj54y, just..okay that's what im gonna do: /boot and / under ssd. /home, /var under hdd. sounds fair to you?
22:29.55invlpg[1]oh, and swap on hdd too
22:30.14xj54yswap is better on sdd, but yeah, that's fine
22:30.22tensorpuddinginvlpg[1]: For some definition of "system related", everything in / not in /home and /opt is "system related".
22:30.58invlpg[1]tensorpudding, yeah, except that i excluded system data that reside on /var, right?
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22:31.30tensorpuddingThe Linux mount system is not sophisticated enough to divide /var like that.
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22:32.38invlpg[1]okay then..last things if you mind - /boot on sda1 512MB, / on sda2 all the rest of the ssd, /home on sdb1 of what size? /var on sdb2 of what size? and /swap of size (32GB? for 16gb ram) on sdb3
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22:33.10invlpg[1]and should i put /home and /var as lvm partitions instead of logical ones?
22:33.32invlpg[1]oh yeah, and / is primary partition? and /boot and all the rest are logical?
22:33.37tensorpuddingLVM exists as a layer on top of partitions.
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22:36.34invlpg[1]tensorpudding, i just select these partition as lvm and the magic just happens?
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22:36.45invlpg[1]and last thing - what should be the size of /home and /var seperatly?
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22:39.18invlpg[1]just that last thing, the size of /home and /var..
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22:44.21invlpg[1]should /boot be primary?
22:45.14tensorpuddingYou should make /boot primary, and your first partition on the drive.
22:45.28tensorpuddingThe size of /var needs to be...big enough for your files, I guess?
22:46.12invlpg[1]yeah, but how much as opposed to /home? i mean..
22:46.21invlpg[1]i have 2tb harddisk..how much to give each partition?
22:47.49invlpg[1]should only boot be primary?
22:49.18tensorpuddingI can't tell you how much /home should be, it depends entirely on how much personal data you have or plan to have.
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22:49.47tensorpuddinginvlpg[1]: You could, if you wanted to, put / and the others on LVM. You'll want swap to be a primary though.
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22:49.59invlpg[1]tensorpudding, yeah but what's average? what's average division of these?
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22:50.22tensorpuddinginvlpg[1]: I don't know, my /var is like 3.9 GB but that is probably not representative of anything.
22:50.44invlpg[1]and 196GB should go to /home? :p
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22:50.54tensorpuddingIf you download more packages and don't purge your cache often it'll get big, and if it runs out of space then you will have problems.
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22:51.14tensorpuddingThere's also logs and stuff that will slowly eat up space.
22:51.30tensorpuddingI'd be surprise if you needed more than 10 GB for /var.
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22:51.46invlpg[1]ah really? but didn't you just say otherwise?
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22:51.56invlpg[1]that if i download more packages it might just bulk up there?
22:52.06tensorpuddingBut /home, I mean, that's where your documents, music, etc. by default is stored, some people have none of that and some people have hundreds of packages.
22:52.19tensorpuddingErr, hundreds of gigabytes, even terabytes.
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22:53.22RichNthe /vhome should really be its own hd unless your running a raid
22:53.52RichNyou should install logrotate and have the logs rotate and clear out
22:54.04RichNkeep about 2 days worth of logs
22:54.17RichNother wise purge them
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22:54.41RichNalso setup a cronjob to apt-get autoclean every few dasy
22:54.41invlpg[1]RichN, logrotate for what? for /var? so it cleans it up once in a while?
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22:54.54RichNfor /var/log
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22:55.08RichNitts a tool for rotating logs and cleaning them out
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22:55.42xj54yinvlpg[1], if you haven't already done so, I'd urge you to gloss over https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition
22:55.55RichNthe /var should need to really be no more the 7 to 10 gig unless you are going to have a huge db on  it
22:56.16RichNthen you should have a bigger drive for it
22:56.27RichNit all depends on what you plan to do
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22:57.26AnarquistaLibreIs everything in Synaptic free software by defualt? Newish Linux user here and I'm interested in free software and I choose to use Debian because they also care about free culture issues.
22:57.55acz32AnarquistaLibre: yes
22:58.14CHVNXAnarquistaLibre: Unless you enabled non-free software durring installation, the reposa contain free software.
22:58.17acz32there will only be non-free software if you enable that yourself
22:58.21AnarquistaLibreOkay, so I have to conciously allow non-free if I want it? Like I won't just accidently install it?
22:58.35AnarquistaLibreWhen I installed it never gave me an option to enable non-free, weird.
22:58.49invlpg[1]xj54y, any specific reference?
22:58.55acz32the installer doesn't give the option. you have to do it yourself in /etc/apt/sources.list
22:59.22CHVNXAnarquistaLibre: check your /etc/apt/sources.list file for lines that say contrib and non-free
22:59.26AnarquistaLibreOh okay. FSF people made it sound like it's easy to just install non-free stuff as a noobie, lol
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23:00.06CHVNXAnarquistaLibre: The FSF is often absurd with their militance, and as an anarchist myself, I believe that Debian is 100% compatible with my politics and philosophy regarding free software.
23:00.07AnarquistaLibreAny others here that are also free culture advocates?
23:00.25AnarquistaLibreWoohoo, hell comrade. :)
23:00.29invlpg[1]i think i have not decided yet
23:00.30AnarquistaLibrehello*
23:00.36invlpg[1]can i shutdown the installer?
23:00.50invlpg[1]it is stuck at the primary/logical selection for /boot partition in the ssd
23:00.58invlpg[1]i want to go to sleep and continue tomorrow
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23:02.10AnarquistaLibreAs far as I know, Debian GNU/Linux is the only distro that not only cares about free software but also about free culture, which is cool.
23:03.15CHVNXAnarquistaLibre: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html
23:03.39acz32AnarquistaLibre: there are others. the FSF endorsed ones
23:03.54CHVNXRead about the FSF's position on Debian at this link: https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html
23:04.05acz32but debian isn't endorsed for silly reasons i think
23:04.17AnarquistaLibreThe FSF endorsed ones don't really seem to put an emphesis on free culture, just free software.
23:04.33CHVNXBecause you can "readily learn about these nonfree packages by browsing Debian's online package database".
23:04.49CHVNXLearning about non-free software means you're non-free in the eyes of the FSF.
23:04.59CHVNXNegative in the freedom dimension.
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23:05.37johskarFSF has forgotten their original mission
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23:06.12invlpg[1]can i just poweroff the computer while installing debian? before partitioning, of course
23:06.15johskarCHVNX: well, true... THAT mission they keep remembering
23:06.32mtninvlpg[1]: of course
23:06.36johskarinvlpg[1]: before partitioning nothing is changed on your system so, sure.
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23:06.45invlpg[1]but it is after users creation
23:06.54invlpg[1]still okay right? because that's all ram by now
23:07.02johskaraye
23:07.04CHVNXinvlpg[1]: That's ok. if you did not commit changes to partition tables, its safe
23:07.20invlpg[1]aha, thanks
23:07.26invlpg[1]just one last thing to verify
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23:08.06invlpg[1]tomorrow im going to put /boot and / on ssd, and /home, /var and /swap on hdd while /var is gonna hold 8gb and /home 192gb. /boot is the only primary partition while all the rest are logical
23:08.12invlpg[1]does this sound okay?
23:08.25invlpg[1]i mean, something that is normal for a system?
23:09.00cafuegounless it's a server, i wouldn't bother with all those partitions
23:09.07mtninvlpg[1]: a / and swap, and maybe a /home are "normal"
23:09.15cafuegoand if it *is* a server I'd use LVM
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23:09.42cafuegoon ssd and /home on hdd.
23:10.07invlpg[1]mtn, what do you mean? that my partitioning of /boot and /var is bad?
23:10.30johskarnot bad, but you don't need /var on a normal pc
23:10.35mtninvlpg[1]: I wouldn't ever use it. I always just use one big partition for everything. others do other things. shrug
23:10.47cafuegoinvlpg[1]: you're articiclally giving them size limits. which measn you'll either run out of space OR you're wasting space.
23:10.54AnarquistaLibreWas it /var for anyway?
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23:11.02mtninvlpg[1]: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/35676/how-to-choose-a-partition-scheme-for-your-linux-pc/
23:11.03AnarquistaLibreis
23:11.13invlpg[1]cafuego, but what's my alternative?
23:11.25invlpg[1]cafuego, how can i let /home and /var reside in all of my hdd?
23:11.30cafuegoinvlpg[1]: /say / on ssd (1 partition) and /home on hdd (1 partition)
23:11.41CHVNXinvlpg[1]: what cafuego said
23:11.48CHVNXMaybe some swap, too.
23:12.01cafuegoinvlpg[1]: 8Gb /var is tiny, why not leave it on ssd anyway?
23:12.06BoteManYour alternative is to stop worrying so much about it.
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23:13.28invlpg[1]cafuego because of lots of writes
23:13.30cafuegoinvlpg[1]: We *used* to have a million partitions back in 1995 because disks were tiny and filesystems were limited in inodes.
23:13.35invlpg[1]i'd rather have it on the huge hdd i have
23:13.41cafuegoinvlpg[1]: can't say that's ever been a problem on my SSDs :-)
23:14.47johskarinvlpg[1]: if this is a desktop/laptop or something you will never have lots of writes to var and the ssd would handle if fine anyways
23:15.06invlpg[1]yeah but why not just the hdd and its huge capacity for data if i can?
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23:15.40cafuegoinvlpg[1]: because you said you were going to make /var be 8gb
23:15.48johskar^^
23:15.49cafuegoinvlpg[1]: which isn't huge. it's teeny.
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23:16.01invlpg[1]haha yeah
23:16.02cafuegoi have usb keys larger than that ;-)
23:16.08invlpg[1]but im trying to make /var and /home reside both in the hdd
23:16.17johskarI only have 2 usb keys smaller than that
23:16.18invlpg[1]which is 2tb
23:16.20invlpg[1]with 1 partition
23:16.34invlpg[1]how the hell can i create 1 partition and make /home and /var use that? haha
23:16.45cafuegoinvlpg[1]: To be honest, then I'd mount the hdd on /var and maybe symlink /home to /var/home
23:16.48johskarbut why do you need var on the hdd?
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23:17.26johskaror just mount the hdd partition to /srv/hdd and symlink var and home to its respective folder under that mountpoint if you absolutely wan tto put var on home too
23:17.31johskar*var on hdd too
23:17.39johskarshiish!
23:17.45cafuegorite?
23:18.06johskaror go with btrfs and subvolumes that "dynamicly" share the partition
23:18.23johskaror zfs
23:18.26johskarshould I keep going? xD
23:18.28cafuegotechnological solution to social problem
23:18.36johskar:-P
23:18.37invlpg[1]cafuego, ah, symlink when?
23:18.41cafuegoRule 1: "No"
23:18.49invlpg[1]cafuego, because in installation it will install /home on /sdd
23:19.02cafuegoinvlpg[1]: install as per normal, then login as root, move /home,
23:19.24cafuegoyou can drop to a shell after partitioning if you want and symlink, but meh
23:19.38asterismohi people
23:19.40asterismohi cafuego
23:19.44asterismoinvlpg[1]:
23:19.46asterismojohskar:
23:19.49cafuegoHey why am I not people?
23:20.34johskaraparently I am not people ither, omg! Are we aliens? AI?
23:20.44invlpg[1]is the guided installation capable of installing / on the ssd (along with /boot) properly and also let me create 1 partition on sdb?
23:20.53cafuegojust call me 'eliza'
23:20.57cafuegowhy do you say AI?
23:21.32johskarnvm, I'm really SkyNET
23:21.37cafuegoinvlpg[1]: dunno, to be honest I haven't done an install of a non-debootstrapped VM for maybe 5 years ;-)
23:21.55cafuegoinvlpg[1]: manual partitoning will do it, though
23:22.00cafuegojust use that
23:22.30asterismoyeah
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23:22.43asterismoi decided i would say hi to the people talking
23:22.56asterismoand not just a generic hi ppl
23:23.00asterismowhatever
23:23.13invlpg[1]cafuego, aha, so in manual, just choose /boot and / on ssd, and the rest for hdd?
23:23.14andrilhello
23:23.16johskarasterismo: :-P
23:23.33cafuegowhat's with this /boot malarkey? where did that come from?
23:23.38cafuego/!
23:23.58asterismohi andril
23:24.06invlpg[1]haha
23:24.20invlpg[1]cafuego, i mean..in manual, i have to first create partition for /boot and then for /, right?
23:24.45cafuegoinvlpg[1]: Create a partition for /.
23:24.47andrilhey asterismo :)
23:24.55cafuego/boot is just a directory on that partition.
23:24.58invlpg[1]okay, then what? :P
23:25.13johskaryou don't really need /boot ither.... unless you use some funky fs the bootloader doesn't play well with
23:25.20invlpg[1]ah
23:25.28cafuegothen you partition the HDD and mount that on /var
23:25.35cafuegothen you continue the installation
23:25.37invlpg[1]so just 1 partition for / sdd and 1 partition for /home in hdd and 1 for swap in hdd
23:25.48invlpg[1]that's all there's to it? (if im planning to have /var on the ssd)
23:25.49cafuegoinvlpg[1]: aye
23:25.58asterismoi have a questin
23:25.59invlpg[1]cafuego, aha, i see
23:26.06invlpg[1]cafuego, thanks so much man
23:26.08asterismowhat should i do with this...
23:26.10cafuegono worries
23:26.16invlpg[1]i'll do that first thing in the morning as i wake up
23:26.25cafuegoinvlpg[1]: and keep in mind, after install, if it looks wrong, you can just do it again.
23:26.46invlpg[1]cafuego, does not it screw up the ssd in some way?
23:26.50asterismoi have a raid which is not synced, should i boot up with the raid and see what happens? or boot up with external usb and sync them up before boot up the raid?
23:26.51invlpg[1]cafuego, just never had an ssd before..
23:27.06invlpg[1]ah, and also! only / is primary, right?
23:27.08cafuegoinvlpg[1]: It's just a HDD but so much afster you'll never want an actual HDD again.
23:27.37invlpg[1]cafuego, haha
23:27.38ryoumaasterismo: i have not heard of having to be THAT careful with mdraid, but i am ignorant
23:27.48invlpg[1]ah btw! swap size - 8gb sounds good for 16gb ram?
23:28.01cafuegoasterismo: Just boot it up and see. If it can't assemble and sync, it'll fail to create the md device and fail to boot.
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23:28.10cafuegoinvlpg[1]: Is this a desktop or laptop?
23:28.22invlpg[1]desktop
23:28.40cafuegoswapping 8GB will be *REALLY* slow
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23:28.55cafuegoI'd max it at maybe 2GB, if I'd bother with swap at all
23:29.14invlpg[1]cafuego, thanks
23:29.24cafuegoyou can always install `swapspace' and point it at a direcotyr on the hdd.
23:29.44acz32cafuego: that doesn't make sense. it will only use as much as it needs. there shouldn't be a performance difference if you assign 2 vs 8 GB swap
23:29.56invlpg[1]cafuego, what's swapspace? a utility that swaps over an existing directory instead of a dedicated partition?
23:31.06johskarby that kind of thinking, this laptop should be dirt slow with it's 16GB swap partition
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23:33.58jordiladear #debian community, newbie here...
23:34.26cafuegoacz32: If it NEEDS 8GB it'll be ass-slow, yo're better off having the app that tries to use that crash
23:34.44jordilai can see some strange chars as directory/folder name ... https://gist.github.com/1b810951ebe24cc4b64c.git may i worry about ? :-/ thanks !
23:34.54cafuegoacz32: Because waiting for a box to die/rturn from a load of 1000 isn't actually any fun.
23:35.47jordila( in / path... e.g. : '  ----------  1 root root     0 Jan  1  1970 ?? )
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23:36.37cafuegoinvlpg[1]: Yup, it creates swap files of specified size, up to a specified total, in a dir. And removed them again when no longer needed.
23:36.49invlpg[1]thank you guys for all the help!
23:37.13invlpg[1]next thing in morning is / on ssd and swap and /home on hdd
23:37.21invlpg[1]been very helpful!
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