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| 00:07.25 | paragon | Is anyone using the Dell XPS 13 developer edition, looking into getting one and I wanted to see what people's impressions were. |
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| 00:10.20 | Sh4d03 | Hi all, just trying to get audio working and have a couple of questions. First of all, should I be looking for info on configuring alsa, or pulseaudio? I'm not new to *nix but it's been a few years since I was in desktop *nix. I have not installed Gnome or KDE during installation. |
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| 00:11.05 | acz32 | Sh4d03: it's preference |
| 00:11.19 | acz32 | if you install a DE it may bring it whatever one it wants with it |
| 00:11.28 | acz32 | otherwise you choose |
| 00:11.57 | Sh4d03 | acz32: Yeah ok, that seemed to be the case, I'm running xfce4 as my window manager and would prefer to keep as much of the KDE and Gnome bloat out of the system. |
| 00:12.04 | paultjuh_ | Say can someone tell me the correct way to resolve this issue:http://paste.debian.net/plain/171735 and http://paste.debian.net/plain/171736 |
| 00:12.52 | Sh4d03 | acz32: So for example, during my first install I just enabled Gnome to be installed and audio worked, so I know the system is compatible. But since then I've rebuilt without the DE so that I can keep things minimal. |
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| 00:13.43 | zRecursive | Which file can i modify to change the menu of GRUB in jessie ? |
| 00:13.48 | acz32 | Sh4d03: neither one is really considered bloat |
| 00:13.54 | acz32 | i think pulseaudio is used by most |
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| 00:14.01 | acz32 | it has improved in recent years |
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| 00:14.24 | acz32 | i used to use alsa with my minimal WM but had no real reason for picking it over pulseaudio |
| 00:14.43 | nuentoter | does anyone in here have eny experience with the program evergreen? |
| 00:14.47 | acz32 | zRecursive: /etc/default/grub? |
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| 00:15.31 | zRecursive | acz32: then i need to run grub-install ? |
| 00:15.39 | paultjuh_ | can someone tell me the correct way to resolve this issue:http://paste.debian.net/plain/171735 and http://paste.debian.net/plain/171736 |
| 00:15.46 | paultjuh_ | I try to get my wireless working |
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| 00:16.03 | paultjuh_ | but without internet on that actually computer it seems to be impossible |
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| 00:16.43 | acz32 | zRecursive: grub-update |
| 00:16.45 | AR45 | paultjuh_: Is trying to install the Broadcom BCM4352 drivers on his machine, seems like the driver isn't compatible with his current kernel (3.16.0-30-generic). |
| 00:16.51 | AR45 | Well at least that's what I got from the error. |
| 00:16.53 | zRecursive | acz32: thx |
| 00:16.57 | acz32 | welcome |
| 00:17.07 | acz32 | and be careful |
| 00:17.21 | paultjuh_ | and it doesn say which kernel it needs |
| 00:18.01 | AR45 | Can someone take a second look at his error pastes, he already has the correct drivers downloaded, so no need to worry about that |
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| 00:18.07 | zRecursive | acz32: In fact, i just want the Windows XP to be the defaut booting OS |
| 00:18.56 | AR45 | It's the Broadcom STA Wireless driver (Proprietary) |
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| 00:19.25 | AR45 | or the bcmwl-kernel-source package |
| 00:19.56 | paultjuh_ | nobody apparently :( |
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| 00:20.38 | ctmjr | paultjuh_: ask in #ubuntu they might know I have no idea how ubuntu works |
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| 00:21.00 | AR45 | ctmjr: Besides the point. |
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| 00:21.33 | acz32 | AR45: how is that besides the point? |
| 00:21.45 | AR45 | paultjuh_: Don't worry my good friends will see your msg and reply, this is a great community, people are just afk, keep your irc open! |
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| 00:22.14 | paultjuh_ | AR45: the problem is it is getting really late here |
| 00:22.28 | AR45 | paultjuh_: That's fine go to bed but leave your irc open. |
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| 00:22.48 | paultjuh_ | AR45: unfortunatly this old laptop makes sleeping impossible |
| 00:23.04 | paultjuh_ | AR45: not much extra space in this city ! |
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| 00:23.33 | AR45 | paultjuh_: Well don't worry come back later and I'll be here to finish the jon, heading out the door kinda late for work he he |
| 00:23.51 | paultjuh_ | AR45: good luck |
| 00:23.59 | paultjuh_ | AR45: hopefully catch you later then |
| 00:24.04 | paultjuh_ | AR45: thanks |
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| 00:29.06 | emunah | is there a command i can run that will show me the version of my graphics card? |
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| 00:30.19 | ctmjr | lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 00:30.40 | ctmjr | emunah: ^^ |
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| 00:32.44 | Limun_obr | please help me |
| 00:32.45 | Limun_obr | :( |
| 00:33.10 | acz32 | Limun_obr: impossible |
| 00:33.10 | Limun_obr | Can anyone help me to install proftpd Debian |
| 00:33.32 | Limun_obr | why it could not |
| 00:33.55 | Limun_obr | why impossible? |
| 00:34.37 | acz32 | apt-get install proftpd-basic? |
| 00:35.17 | Limun_obr | service proftpd start |
| 00:35.28 | Limun_obr | Job for proftpd.service failed. See 'systemctl status proftpd.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details. |
| 00:35.33 | Limun_obr | :( |
| 00:35.50 | Limun_obr | root@kgbserver ~ # systemctl status proftpd.service |
| 00:35.50 | Limun_obr | â proftpd.service - LSB: Starts ProFTPD daemon |
| 00:35.50 | Limun_obr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.50 | Limun_obr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.50 | Limun_obr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.50 | Limun_obr | May 06 02:35:05 kgbserver proftpd[1390]: Starting ftp server: proftpd2015-05...' |
| 00:35.50 | Limun_obr | May 06 02:35:05 kgbserver proftpd[1390]: 2015-05-06 02:35:05,100 kgbserver p...' |
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| 00:36.01 | esde | lol |
| 00:36.12 | Brigo | XD |
| 00:36.14 | acz32 | i bet he didn't even run the commands it told him to to see what's wrong |
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| 00:37.03 | Brigo | it had already installel proftpd, he just need to configure it :) |
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| 00:37.26 | Limun_obr | :( |
| 00:37.30 | Limun_obr | http://paste.debian.net/171754/ help |
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| 00:38.50 | Brigo | Limun_obr, it's too few information, try journaltcl -alb | grep porftpd |
| 00:39.53 | Limun_obr | Brigo, I think the problem proftpd.conf |
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| 00:40.35 | Limun_obr | http://paste.debian.net/171755/ |
| 00:40.45 | Limun_obr | information journaltcl -alb | grep porftpd |
| 00:40.53 | shay_shay | question, does a livecd install identical install to the netinstall provided the same options are picked at tasksel? |
| 00:41.57 | Brigo | Limun_obr, you have to configure it right: that is the error: fatal: unknown configuration directive 'HiddenStor' on line 54 of '/etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf' |
| 00:42.15 | shay_shay | not that I have a choice, I remember this system wont boot unless the installer does not have two bootloaders |
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| 00:43.28 | Limun_obr | brigo, Whether we can do to adjust, new to me here's my config http://paste.debian.net/171756/ |
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| 00:44.11 | Limun_obr | would be very grateful to you |
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| 00:45.50 | polyphagia | hey so if i want to burn debian onto a usb drive from os x, but i want to use the drive on a non-mac computer, do i follow the same steps? |
| 00:46.54 | Brigo | Limun_obr, is that your /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf ? there is no 'HiddenStor' directive there. |
| 00:47.58 | emunah | how do i point ice weasel at my java so i can run applets without being told java is required |
| 00:48.01 | Brigo | Limun_obr, please don't message persons, just bots. |
| 00:48.30 | Brigo | emunah, have you already installed java? |
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| 00:48.38 | ctmjr | polyphagia: as long as the computer can boot from usb you should be fine |
| 00:48.43 | emunah | Brigo, yes |
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| 00:48.59 | Brigo | emunah, and the iceweasel java plugin? |
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| 00:49.39 | emunah | Brigo, how do i check that? |
| 00:50.29 | Brigo | there is a tab, you can open it from the menu, addons, i think it is called. |
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| 00:56.26 | Limun_obr | To deactivate HiddenStor? |
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| 00:57.01 | Limun_obr | HiddenStor off ? |
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| 00:59.07 | kyfho | how do I disable gui login? i got it to start icewm using default display mgr file |
| 00:59.18 | kyfho | but when I go to sve in chrome i get weird wait circle sometimes |
| 00:59.28 | kyfho | and I wonder if there is some other crap running below icewm |
| 00:59.40 | kyfho | I just want plain icewm then open chrome |
| 00:59.44 | kyfho | amd64 debian 8 |
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| 01:02.05 | Brigo | kyfho, you have to uninstall the display manager. |
| 01:02.11 | Brigo | usually gmd3 or lightdm |
| 01:02.33 | Brigo | then you can start X with startx command. Is thay what you want? |
| 01:02.37 | Limun_obr | brigo HiddenStor off ? |
| 01:02.57 | Brigo | Limun_obr, don't know |
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| 01:18.03 | karlpinc | Brigo: Another option is to have gdm3 autologin. Just saying. And rather than running startx it'd be nice to have things auto-start. I can never remember how to do this, and don't know what's changed under systemd... |
| 01:18.43 | Brigo | karlpinc, i agree with you. |
| 01:18.55 | Brigo | go to go now, bed time, bye :) |
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| 01:22.34 | dimitry7 | Hey Guys, I have a string 2015-04-29 |
| 01:22.51 | dimitry7 | how can I get the month (04),from the string? |
| 01:23.00 | dimitry7 | with bash |
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| 01:37.33 | paragon | IN="2015-04-29"; arrIN=($IN//-/ }); echo ${arrIN[1]}; |
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| 01:38.17 | dimitry7 | paragon, ok ok, let me try it |
| 01:38.38 | paragon | oops, should be one more { |
| 01:38.55 | paragon | between $ and IN in the second command |
| 01:39.01 | dimitry7 | ok ok |
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| 01:41.19 | dimitry7 | paragon, thanksss!! it worked :D |
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| 01:47.33 | yebyen | is it a known issue that xserver-xorg-video-intel in sid seems to depend on an impossible xorg-video-abi-18? |
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| 01:47.54 | yebyen | should that report go to #debian-next |
| 01:48.21 | yebyen | looks like i'd have to be invited |
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| 01:56.16 | emunah | how do i log out of xserver into a terminal only |
| 01:56.50 | emunah | i need the xserver to be off to install my graphics driver |
| 01:56.59 | SirLagz | ctrl-alt-f1 will switch to you a terminal, where you can then stop the xserver |
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| 01:57.32 | emunah | how would i stop it? |
| 01:57.39 | emunah | and start it |
| 01:57.54 | SirLagz | what DM are you using ? |
| 01:58.04 | yebyen | you can use /etc/init.d/[thething] stop |
| 01:58.07 | emunah | jessie |
| 01:58.11 | yebyen | if it's gdm, lightdm |
| 01:58.15 | yebyen | some dm |
| 01:58.17 | emunah | gnome i think |
| 01:58.24 | yebyen | that would be gdm most likely |
| 01:58.34 | yebyen | could be in there as "gdm3" |
| 01:58.48 | emunah | ok i'll try |
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| 01:58.50 | yebyen | tries his problem on stretch instead |
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| 01:59.48 | sydney_untangle | What is stretch? |
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| 01:59.55 | sydney_untangle | I hear alot about it now. |
| 01:59.55 | yebyen | stretch is new-testing |
| 01:59.59 | sydney_untangle | Oh. |
| 02:00.07 | yebyen | normally i run sid on all my personal machines |
| 02:00.16 | yebyen | but it looks like they are doing some hard breaking in sid right now |
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| 02:00.19 | sydney_untangle | Heh, it sounds quite unstable at this point. |
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| 02:00.27 | yebyen | can't even get xserver-xorg-video-intel installed |
| 02:00.31 | sydney_untangle | o_O |
| 02:00.35 | yebyen | and the packages archive confirms it |
| 02:00.38 | sydney_untangle | I ran jessie since beta2 |
| 02:00.52 | sydney_untangle | It was quite stable then. |
| 02:01.16 | yebyen | i started with slink and potato |
| 02:01.30 | sydney_untangle | WHen were they? |
| 02:01.38 | sydney_untangle | I started with wheezy. |
| 02:01.40 | yebyen | i think i really got into it around sarge |
| 02:01.50 | sydney_untangle | Im a new kid to debian. ;) |
| 02:02.10 | sydney_untangle | Ive never even seen a toy story movie. |
| 02:02.14 | yebyen | release notes says 1999 |
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| 02:02.26 | yebyen | that sounds... about right |
| 02:02.29 | Belial` | still relevant |
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| 02:02.33 | yebyen | i was 14 |
| 02:02.55 | SirLagz | I started on woody and sarge I think it was |
| 02:03.00 | sydney_untangle | yebyen: Heh, i just turned 15 when i started using it. :P |
| 02:03.04 | SirLagz | or possibly right at the end of potato |
| 02:03.05 | Belial` | i remember potato |
| 02:03.09 | sydney_untangle | Ubuntu was starting to get too messy. |
| 02:03.10 | Belial` | was that before woody? |
| 02:03.14 | SirLagz | Belial`: yeah |
| 02:03.23 | yebyen | sydney_untangle: i think i didn't really start using debian until later, around 14 i was learning slackware, redhat |
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| 02:03.47 | sydney_untangle | Ok. |
| 02:04.11 | sydney_untangle | And to tell the truth, im stuck with it. I enjoy it inside and out and don't want to change. |
| 02:04.31 | yebyen | i use ubuntu at work because work requires me to |
| 02:04.34 | sydney_untangle | How breakable is stretch currently? |
| 02:04.53 | yebyen | the metric to decide whether a package goes in testing (stretch) afaik |
| 02:04.56 | yebyen | is |
| 02:05.01 | sydney_untangle | My computer at the time found ubuntu ( even lubuntu) to be a hog. |
| 02:05.06 | yebyen | if it remains in sid for two weeks and no bug reports are filed |
| 02:05.17 | yebyen | it can be promoted to testing |
| 02:05.19 | sydney_untangle | lubuntu 14.04 is alot worse than 12.04. |
| 02:05.33 | yebyen | so, potentially very broken, depending on how much goes unreported |
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| 02:05.55 | sydney_untangle | Ok, i will wait for beta1 or beta2 then. |
| 02:05.57 | sydney_untangle | :) |
| 02:06.02 | sydney_untangle | Jessie is awesome. :) |
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| 02:07.27 | yebyen | i would say for me stretch is just right (fingers crossed) |
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| 02:08.17 | sydney_untangle | Im happy with package versions now. wheezy was just too old. |
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| 02:09.23 | yebyen | i'm on stretch because i'm on a chromebook |
| 02:09.40 | yebyen | and it's unusual hardware for a chromebook |
| 02:09.51 | yebyen | so i haven't had any luck with anything else running x11 |
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| 02:11.05 | matthiaskrgr | wasn't there a longer version of the "newest build logs" list somewhere? https://buildd.debian.org/ |
| 02:11.27 | sydney_untangle | yebyen: Oh, your using Wayland? |
| 02:11.41 | yebyen | no, sorry, i'm on x11 |
| 02:11.51 | yebyen | but it's ghetto-x11 that runs alongside of chromeos |
| 02:11.56 | sydney_untangle | Does a chromebook even have much for specs? |
| 02:12.02 | sydney_untangle | oh. |
| 02:12.05 | yebyen | well, it's a regular laptop |
| 02:12.19 | yebyen | with core i5 processor and weak intel onboard graphics |
| 02:12.25 | yebyen | chromeos runs nicely on it though |
| 02:12.36 | sydney_untangle | probably outdoes this 6 y/o thing. |
| 02:12.51 | sydney_untangle | Just got good kernel support 2 months ago. ;P |
| 02:12.59 | yebyen | i haven't got hardware acceleration in crouton yet |
| 02:13.07 | yebyen | but that's what i'm aiming for :\ |
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| 02:19.12 | asarch | I was trying to reduce (from 150.5 GB to 30.5 GB) a volume, but by mistake I did first the lvreduce instead of the resize2fs |
| 02:19.14 | yebyen | really all i wanted is a working version of chrome on linux |
| 02:19.19 | asarch | Now I can't do neither resize2fs nor fsck |
| 02:19.24 | yebyen | this is great |
| 02:19.27 | asarch | What can I do? :-( |
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| 02:21.54 | yebyen | hm! it seems acceleration really is working |
| 02:22.21 | SirLagz | asarch: increate the lv back to the previous size and hope you don't lose any data ? |
| 02:22.38 | asarch | Thank you SirLagz |
| 02:22.41 | asarch | I'll try |
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| 02:29.01 | rachelfish | Is there some way to reset a broken apt upgrade? |
| 02:29.09 | rachelfish | It says 1 not fully installed or removed. |
| 02:30.12 | SirLagz | rachelfish: depends on what's broken |
| 02:30.22 | civillian | rachelfish: have you tried apt-get -f install? |
| 02:30.22 | dvs | rachelfish: apt-get -f install |
| 02:30.35 | dvs | civillian: liar! ;-) |
| 02:30.42 | civillian | dvs: :) |
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| 02:31.27 | rachelfish | Okay okay, so the actual issue is that I'm trying to upgrade gnome-pc but it keeps hanging durring configuration because it's trying to read from /dev/sdb which is in a software raid and won't let grub read it so it gets stuck doing that and never lets me continue |
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| 02:33.35 | rachelfish | grub-pc* |
| 02:33.57 | emunah | i need to disable the nouveau kernel driver to get my nvidia driver installed, i did this "echo nouveau /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf" but it still isn't disabled, i then went in to synaptic package manager to remove any packages with "nouveau" in the name and apparently there are at least 30 other packages dependent on the "nouveau" packages i want to remove, i'm afraid i will blow up my syste, pls help |
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| 02:36.41 | zRecursive | emunah: How about installing nvidia driver directly without removing nouveau first ? |
| 02:37.11 | emunah | nvidia driver complains saying it wants the nouveau driver disabled |
| 02:37.27 | karlpinc | emunah: It's not disabled because you left off the ">". |
| 02:37.32 | karlpinc | oops. >> |
| 02:38.00 | zRecursive | you may leave X for console ? |
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| 02:38.17 | emunah | karlpinc, i did have a >> in the command |
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| 02:38.26 | karlpinc | He'd better, since he's messing with the gui drivers. |
| 02:38.41 | karlpinc | emunah: Did you then either unload the module or reboot? |
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| 02:39.18 | emunah | karlpinc, i rebooted after, nvidia still says i it running |
| 02:40.01 | emunah | so what now? |
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| 02:40.50 | karlpinc | emunah: I don't ever replace the free drivers, so can only help in general. Does "cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf" show that you've added the right line? (As in, I've no clue if you're really supposed to add that line to that file.) |
| 02:41.33 | emunah | karlpinc: i have one line in that says "noveau" |
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| 02:41.37 | karlpinc | emunah: There's a factoid. |
| 02:41.42 | rachelfish | Is there any way I can reset the "not fully installed" program to the way it was before? |
| 02:41.43 | karlpinc | !tell emunah about nvidia |
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| 02:42.26 | karlpinc | emunah: I'd recommend following the instructions given by the bot. |
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| 02:43.08 | zRecursive | !tell zRecursive about nvidia |
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| 02:44.51 | emunah | !tell emunah about nvidia |
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| 02:45.21 | emunah | hmmm bots not talkin |
| 02:45.40 | zRecursive | I donot know there is a bot here :) |
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| 02:48.08 | karlpinc | emunah: The bot sends you a private message. |
| 02:48.14 | rachelfish | nevermind, I just let it run for ~15 minutes and eventually it timed out reading and finished the install |
| 02:48.17 | rachelfish | thanks #debian |
| 02:48.27 | karlpinc | !tell emunah about msg the bot |
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| 03:16.06 | trysten | where can i learn how to make things work in /etc/init.d ? i want to start a hand-installed app on boot, and also exercise my debian-fu by comphrehending the init.d structure |
| 03:17.29 | Wug | trysten: there should be a file called /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 03:17.33 | Wug | copy and modify at will |
| 03:17.54 | Wug | im pretty sure it's just a shell script |
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| 03:43.19 | emunah | ok so i maxed out my pointer speed in the gui in debian jesse but it is still not fast enough, also the OS can't keep up with my typing speed |
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| 03:51.09 | DammitJim | anyone here using fabric? |
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| 03:56.12 | emunah | in debian jessie i can type way faster than the characters appear, what can i do? |
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| 03:56.38 | somiaj | emunah: type into what? |
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| 03:57.05 | emunah | anything, typing is sluggish everywhere |
| 03:57.21 | somiaj | that seems odd. You are talking fully indisde your desktop right? |
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| 03:57.30 | emunah | even when i go into terminal with ctrl+alt+f1 |
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| 03:58.08 | emunah | yeah desktop or terminal it is slo,totally ruining my jessie experience |
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| 03:59.49 | somiaj | emunah: anything in dmesg? |
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| 04:00.45 | emunah | somiaj: what would i be looking for? |
| 04:01.03 | somiaj | emunah: I don't know, I look for things related to say usb ports, keyboard, etc. |
| 04:01.17 | somiaj | emunah: this a laptop or you using usb or ps2 keyboard? |
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| 04:01.34 | emunah | usb keyboard |
| 04:02.02 | somiaj | check for usb errors, maybe there is some strange power saving feature. Try a different usb port. |
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| 04:03.30 | emunah | somiaj: i see usb stuff but no errors |
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| 04:03.48 | Rusty1 | i might type: top, in the terminal and look for cpu use |
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| 04:07.22 | emunah | cpu looks fine |
| 04:08.21 | emunah | 0.7% |
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| 04:09.11 | Rusty1 | do you have a de, and is the mouse movements and clicks seem ok? |
| 04:09.24 | emunah | de? |
| 04:09.34 | Rusty1 | desktop environment |
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| 04:09.46 | Rusty1 | ir kde , gnome , xfce |
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| 04:10.33 | emunah | yes gnome desktop, the mouse is slower than whe was on old debian wheezy even with the pointer speed maxed out in the gui |
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| 04:12.16 | shay_shay | emunah: [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo yes || echo no |
| 04:12.29 | shay_shay | what does that return |
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| 04:13.06 | shay_shay | I'm curious if you are booted uefi because your last install was Debian 6 which didn't have uefi support |
| 04:13.11 | emunah | it returns the word no |
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| 04:13.16 | shay_shay | ah nvm |
| 04:13.28 | emunah | uefi? |
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| 04:13.57 | shay_shay | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:14.28 | shay_shay | what kind of hardware do you have? |
| 04:15.14 | emunah | i have a duo core 4GB desktop |
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| 04:15.56 | swift110-phone | Hmm |
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| 04:16.42 | swift110-phone | I look forward to meeting Jessie |
| 04:17.01 | emunah | i have a razor keyboard and mouse both of which worked fine on wheezy and lenny |
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| 04:19.39 | somiaj | emunah: wireless? |
| 04:19.52 | somiaj | emunah: what kernel are you running? uname -a? |
| 04:20.33 | emunah | wired |
| 04:21.07 | emunah | 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt9-3~deb8u1 (2015-04-24) i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:21.28 | somiaj | emunah: yea seems strange. did you try another usb port jsut for the fun of it. |
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| 04:22.52 | emunah | just did and both keyboard and mouse are still slow |
| 04:23.24 | somiaj | emunah: check dmesg again, check the speeds and various settings that are loaded with that device. |
| 04:24.18 | emunah | i'll put it in pastebin |
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| 04:26.40 | emunah | http://pastebin.com/FGWQLPdF |
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| 04:27.11 | emunah | there is the pastebin, i wouldn't know whicp the speed |
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| 04:31.57 | somiaj | emunah: emunah yea I don't see anything there that pops out. |
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| 04:32.52 | emunah | i have a keyboard here with the old ps2 port,im going to try it |
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| 04:35.23 | emunah | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.33 | emunah | whatdddd this is working so much faster and much more responsively |
| 04:35.37 | emunah | this doesn't make sensee |
| 04:35.52 | emunah | my ps2 keyboard works like a charm, this sucks |
| 04:36.02 | emunah | my mouse is still slow and its usb |
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| 05:04.44 | Nnavd | woops |
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| 05:10.36 | somiaj | emunah: something strange with your usb bus, not sure what the issue could be. Do you have usb 3 ports? |
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| 05:28.55 | Boxiechill | I'm having issues getting apt to install squid3 I pasted in #flood a copy of what its doing if anyone has a clue it would be apriciated thanks.. |
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| 05:34.17 | somiaj | Boxiechill: care to use paste.debian.net |
| 05:34.35 | Boxiechill | sure |
| 05:34.45 | somiaj | more will look at it that way. |
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| 05:36.20 | Boxiechill | http://paste.debian.net/171929 |
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| 05:37.21 | eaglecock | hello internet |
| 05:38.50 | somiaj | Boxiechill: is your drive full? |
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| 05:39.40 | somiaj | Boxiechill: but line 15 where it can't crate /usr/sbin/squid3.dpkg-new: Permission denied. not sure what is denying you, but that sounds like apermissions issue |
| 05:41.16 | eaglecock | im running debian in chroot environment on an android device with kernel modules to use an xternal r8187 radio. can you think of a way to use that external radio within the android os as normal? |
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| 05:41.38 | eaglecock | i thought of running a proxy, but then how to connect with it? |
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| 05:41.59 | Boxiechill | its not maxed 60gb free ... also i'm physically at the box and loged in root... dont get what would be stoping me? |
| 05:43.09 | somiaj | eaglecock: seems android support would be better for this. You can run things inside a chroot from the outside with schroot. Not sure if android has this |
| 05:43.26 | somiaj | Boxiechill: ls -ld /usr /usr/sbin /usr/sbin/squid3* |
| 05:43.33 | somiaj | Boxiechill: then give me the output of attr /usr/sbin |
| 05:43.39 | somiaj | Boxiechill: sorry, attr -l /usr/sbin |
| 05:45.36 | eaglecock | thank you ill look into that |
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| 05:48.33 | Boxiechill | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/171930 |
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| 05:50.24 | hiexpo | hmm |
| 05:51.23 | somiaj | Boxiechill: now attr -l /usr/sbin |
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| 05:51.41 | somiaj | Boxiechill: and the ouput of 'mount' |
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| 05:51.58 | somiaj | again, not sure why it can't write the file, so just thinking of things that can check permissions of the filesystem |
| 05:53.51 | Boxiechill | somiaj: command not found |
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| 05:55.09 | somiaj | nevermind, sorry attr is just for xfs file system. I know there are some extended attributes, but I need to find the correc tommand. |
| 05:55.13 | somiaj | Boxiechill: how about the output of mount |
| 05:55.41 | pengown | find command can check permissions :) |
| 05:56.10 | Boxiechill | http://paste.debian.net/171937 |
| 05:56.28 | somiaj | Boxiechill: Try this command, 'touch /usr/sbin/squid3.dpkg-new', if it works remove the file when done. |
| 05:57.11 | Boxiechill | cannot touch `/usr/sbin/squid3.dpkg-new': Permission denied |
| 05:57.48 | somiaj | Boxiechill: see that is your issue. What is simfs? |
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| 05:58.06 | somiaj | but /dev/shimfs is mounted as root. Could it have some read only attribute attached to it. |
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| 06:01.04 | somiaj | Boxiechill: anyways something is wrong with the permissions of your file system. Not sure where it is at.seems shimfs is for openVZ containers but I'm not sure what the issue culd be |
| 06:01.35 | somiaj | I would say try to install attr, but that too may fail (maybe it has some extended attributes). |
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| 06:03.52 | Boxiechill | somiaj: ya its 17% ... i just dont get what went wrong its a fresh install i gues i should just start fresh and see if that dont solve the issue... just noticing some other issues with ssh now... somethings borked tho Thanks for the help do apriciate it!!! |
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| 06:56.13 | sigur | have a nice day to all |
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| 06:58.08 | hackman127 | I just performed a dist-upgrade on a remote server and it is now failing to boot. The drives are on an adaptec 7805 raid card and apparently the kernel module wasn't included in the initramfs when it was rebuilt. What the heck do I do now? |
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| 07:04.23 | ChrisH | remote server means real server HW with iLO/DRAC? |
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| 07:07.30 | hackman127 | ChrisH: Remote server means real server with iLO, not DRAC |
| 07:08.05 | hackman127 | I'd thought of loading a remote rescue image, but man... That would take forever! |
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| 07:08.58 | babilen | Why are boxes with DRAC not "real" ? |
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| 07:09.30 | hackman127 | babilen: I don't think that's what he meant, I think he was asking if it was a VM. |
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| 07:12.14 | babilen | Right :) |
| 07:12.16 | ChrisH | wanted to differ between server HW with remote console and system acting like a server without remote access. |
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| 07:12.52 | babilen | And there I sensed some HP elitism ;) |
| 07:13.23 | hackman127 | lol Well, much to everyone's chagrin, it's home-brew. :-) |
| 07:13.28 | ChrisH | hackman127: I would mount a netinst image via iLO (I only know SUN ILom in detail) from a remote server box nearby and reovery from there. Or have smarthands go onsite |
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| 07:16.10 | babilen | hackman127: I would get a remote console and check that you have "MODULES=most" in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf. If not rebuilt the initramfs after adapting that. You might also want to edit /etc/initramfs-tools/modules if that still doesn't include it. |
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| 07:16.47 | hackman127 | ChrisH: That's about what I was thinking. The worst of it is that I have a USB stick sitting in an internal port to use as a rescue disk, but I hadn't gotten around to flashing the image on it yet. |
| 07:17.43 | ChrisH | How "remote" is that box? |
| 07:17.51 | Savemech | guys what will be happen, if my PID pool will be depleted(or this is even possible?) i just noticed that one of my proccess which running in "circles" reach 65536 and goes from 500 again |
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| 07:18.03 | amflir | after upgrading from wheezy to stretch, x-windows-system is removed and I don't have gui. when i want to manually install xorg with apt-get it says it have broken dependencies. what to do? I've got to fix it asap while I'm at work and my laptop has stopped working :( |
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| 07:18.27 | hackman127 | babilen: I appreciate the tip. I checked that MODULES=most, and I actually think that aacraid is available, just not being loaded. Checking on that to be sure. |
| 07:18.43 | hackman127 | ChrisH: I'm in Ohio, it's in Georgia. |
| 07:19.04 | babilen | hackman127: You can always enter it into /etc/initramfs-tools/modules to ensure that it is definitely in there, but that is rarely necessary |
| 07:19.23 | ChrisH | Savemech: I never had that with Linux... With HPUX the number of max processes is limited with Linux and eg. Solaris you can spawn new processes unless you are out of memeory. |
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| 07:19.32 | babilen | hackman127: That's both in the US (looks quite close from here in Germany) ;) |
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| 07:19.45 | ChrisH | babilen: +1 |
| 07:19.50 | hackman127 | HA! |
| 07:20.19 | Savemech | ChrisH, just thinking about; there is also some lxc/openvz running with hundreds of containers inside; just wondering how much PID number these guys had |
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| 07:20.45 | babilen | amflir: The xserver is currently in a transition. Welcome to testing! And I also wouldn't advise a direct upgrade from wheezy to stretch (and you probably want to track testing/unstable at this point with the default release set to testing) |
| 07:20.49 | hackman127 | babilen: In busybox: `lsmod | grep aacraid` shows nothing. `modprobe aacraid` loads the driver. And additional `lsmod | grep aacraid` shows it now loaded. |
| 07:21.00 | xabbix | How can I include an env var within an env var in an upstart script? for example: env CONFIG_NODE_NAME=tps_$HOSTNAME_node_1? |
| 07:21.23 | ChrisH | xabbix: sounds like an ubuntu question |
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| 07:21.44 | xabbix | ChrisH, Debian doesn't use upstart scripts/ |
| 07:21.45 | xabbix | ? |
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| 07:22.05 | babilen | amflir: That being said: If you require help then you should paste the actual output of "aptitude install xserver-xorg" to http://paste.debian.net (use pastebinit or so if you can't get X). You'll have little luck these days without also unstable in your sources.list. If you don't want to track that ensure that you also set the default release. |
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| 07:22.37 | hackman127 | babilen: I'll be honest, I'm in uncharted territory for myself here. Since the module exists, is there any way I can add it to the modprobe list from within busybox? |
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| 07:24.01 | babilen | amflir: testing and unstable are also not supported in this channel, but in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. And: The time after a new release is typically quite an "interesting" one for people who track testing or unstable. You *really* have to be on top of things to ensure that your systems remains usable. Always keep in mind that nothing forces you to upgrade packages at any time and that there is no shame |
| 07:24.05 | babilen | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.07 | babilen | ... testing to mature. (I'd give it at least 6-8 weeks after a release) |
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| 07:29.53 | ChrisH | xabbix: you asked for ubuntu stuff and the next line you explain debian does not use upstart.... You might rephrase your question. |
| 07:30.06 | babilen | hackman127: You will have to chroot into the actual system. That process consists of 1. Creating a suitable mountpoint (say /target ) 2. Mounting all relevant filesystems there 3. Mounting dev, sys and proc (mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys) 4. chrooting (chroot /target) |
| 07:30.41 | babilen | hackman127: Once you are "in" you should be able to edit /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and to rebuilt your initramfs |
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| 07:32.24 | xabbix | ChrisH, I was asking if Debian doesn't use upstart scripts, I wasn't saying. |
| 07:32.32 | hackman127 | babilen: Gotcha. I've done a fair amount of that in the past with Gentoo, but debian is a bit of a new thing for me. |
| 07:33.22 | babilen | hackman127: Debian shouldn't be too different in that regard. You might find configuration files in different places and, naturally, you rarely compile things but in the end: It's all Linux ;) |
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| 07:35.14 | hackman127 | babilen: I should add that this is the only box I've used initramfs on. :-) |
| 07:36.29 | DaisyTheCow | I've just installed, (from source), a later version of a program that I already have installed. How do I specify that the later version should be default? When I do --version I'm get the earlier version number |
| 07:36.43 | babilen | hackman127: You use "update-initramfs -u" to rebuild it |
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| 07:37.25 | babilen | DaisyTheCow: That essentially boils down to "ensure that the program you want is listed earlier in PATH" or "ensure that no other alternative is available" |
| 07:37.53 | babilen | You can, naturally, always use the full path to it |
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| 07:37.58 | cipoll | hi |
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| 07:38.27 | DaisyTheCow | babilen: Thanks for the reply. I was concerned that if I uninstalled the earlier version then I wouldn't have any working version. Do you think that uninstalling the earlier version will resolve the issue? |
| 07:38.44 | cipoll | is it possible to exactly know/monitor how many writings a process is doing ? |
| 07:38.56 | cipoll | writings to disk |
| 07:39.19 | colo-work | cipoll, by means of syscall tracing, for instance. if your kernel has io accounting enabled (Debian's does), you can look into iotop, iosnoop and friends |
| 07:39.32 | cipoll | thx |
| 07:40.03 | babilen | DaisyTheCow: It should, but I can't provide better guidance without knowing more details. (e.g. "which program?", "where was the other one installed?", "how do you configure your PATH?", ...) |
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| 07:40.33 | DaisyTheCow | babilen: I'll give it a go anyway. Thanks very much for your help. Much appreciated |
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| 07:45.20 | babilen | cipoll: You'd have to trap writes ... maybe systemtap can do that? :-/ |
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| 07:46.54 | cipoll | babilen: i was thinking about LD_PRELOAD |
| 07:46.57 | cipoll | as well |
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| 07:50.49 | babilen | cipoll: Sure, but whatever it is you preload there has to trap writes (the systemcall write(2)) - I'd ask in #c for guidance on that |
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| 08:03.33 | krisux | buenos dias |
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| 08:10.47 | ChrisH | xabbix: I see. soory for muissunderstanding you. Debian uses classical SysV Init till Wheezy (7.x) and Systemd since Jessie (8.x) Writing startup config/scripts is easy for both of them. |
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| 08:14.48 | plus10 | Hello, how can I make a file starting with line 0 and ends at 9? |
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| 08:20.27 | darxmurf | plus10: ? |
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| 08:22.13 | ChrisH | plus10: vi filename ; press 9 i RETURN ESC :wq! and you are done.. an empty file with 10 lines. RETRUN and ESC are the keys |
| 08:22.45 | plus10 | darxmurf: like first line 0 second 1 and last 9. something like echo {0..9} |
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| 08:23.49 | darxmurf | seq 0 9 |
| 08:23.49 | darxmurf | ? |
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| 08:24.57 | plus10 | darxmurf: yesss! thank you |
| 08:25.03 | darxmurf | welcome :) |
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| 08:29.09 | revolve | Can anyone help me decode an machine-check-exception log? we have a server that's rebooting because of one dimm |
| 08:29.44 | ChrisH | revolve: paste the output onto paste.debian.net will increase your chance for an answer. |
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| 08:32.27 | revolve | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a6c74d4d/ |
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| 08:34.58 | darxmurf | revolve: try to change your RAM module #1 |
| 08:35.37 | darxmurf | or remove it |
| 08:35.41 | darxmurf | and try withou |
| 08:35.42 | darxmurf | t |
| 08:38.06 | revolve | right-o, thanks |
| 08:38.10 | revolve | have tried, will try again |
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| 08:48.13 | ChrisH | revolve: send it to your HW Vendor Support and have them send you spare parts |
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| 08:52.53 | ChrisH | http://paste.debian.net/172037/ pinger segfault n libc-2.19.so ; from my checkes this seems to be squid3. I only found a will-not-fix bug for debian. Did I search wrong? squid is in front of dansguardian and apt-cacher-ng and not really used for user traffic. I assume this happens during logfile rotation triggered restart |
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| 08:54.06 | arafangion | Is it just me, or is the trend towards virtualisation really a desire for monolithic applications that are packaged for controlled deployment? |
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| 08:56.55 | pengown | i really really want a mac vm :( |
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| 08:57.00 | pengown | ive been trying for so long |
| 08:57.02 | pengown | to make one work |
| 08:57.15 | pengown | no luck whatsoever |
| 08:57.42 | arafangion | pengown: I'd like to set one up myself, possibly - it'd be a nice way to give me some measure of control over the OS. |
| 08:57.55 | arafangion | pengown: Do you have a mac though? |
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| 08:58.37 | pengown | no |
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| 08:58.43 | pengown | thats why i want a vm :P |
| 08:58.59 | pengown | I want to play with apple |
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| 08:59.04 | arafangion | Ah - so for you, a vm is an emulator. |
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| 08:59.29 | pengown | it's really really stupid that apple says you can only use 2 apple vms ON APPLE HARDWARE |
| 08:59.39 | pengown | thats worse than microsoft |
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| 09:01.01 | pengown | Just want to play with the OS and see how it works and what it can do :( |
| 09:02.37 | pengown | If I liked it maybe I'd want to pay for one...you'd think they'd want that |
| 09:02.50 | pengown | I'm never going to pay for something I don't know is worth it |
| 09:02.52 | arafangion | pengown: You can play with them quite a fair bit in the app store. |
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| 09:03.05 | pengown | Whatcha mean how |
| 09:03.08 | arafangion | pengown: I meant, in the *apple* store. |
| 09:03.12 | pengown | Oh... |
| 09:03.14 | pengown | blah |
| 09:03.22 | pengown | Not the same lol |
| 09:03.55 | deepy | There's also osx86 and such, but they tend to not work |
| 09:04.07 | pengown | yeah those are what I keep trying |
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| 09:04.14 | pengown | All the hacked versions |
| 09:04.20 | pengown | None work |
| 09:05.00 | pengown | I LOVE Linux, mac is also Unix, it might actually be something I'd invest in their hardware |
| 09:05.21 | pengown | Not blindly though xD too expensive |
| 09:05.22 | deepy | Try it out in the apple store |
| 09:05.33 | pengown | I guess I could do that |
| 09:05.40 | pengown | I wanna play with one super bad |
| 09:05.49 | pengown | it's the only thing I've never tried |
| 09:06.16 | deepy | I picked up one of the cheaper MacBooks (non-air) and I'm quite satisfied with it, I dual-boot NetBSD on it but both operating systems work great for me in anything I do |
| 09:06.22 | pengown | well...I have an iphone, but it's jailbroken pretty much a Debian xD |
| 09:06.38 | deepy | The battery time is beastly and that's pretty much the reason I got it |
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| 09:06.59 | pengown | Yeah I was thinking I would want one to dual boot Linux and Mac on but the hardware is expensive |
| 09:07.03 | ChrisH | move this OT discussion to debian-offtopic |
| 09:07.06 | pengown | Guess I'll play with at the store |
| 09:07.19 | pengown | Sorry :) |
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| 09:07.43 | deepy | Ooops, thought this was ##hardware |
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| 09:08.04 | pengown | lol I forget people care about the topic xD |
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| 09:08.10 | pengown | when no one else is talking |
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| 09:08.38 | ChrisH | I need to print a png with full controll on all printer options. okular does not show me all. kprinter4 seems to be PS only. Any suggestions what to use? |
| 09:09.50 | trewas | ChrisH: gimp maybe, should be better suited for bitmap images |
| 09:10.44 | ChrisH | trewas: I hoped to avoid that... but lets give it a try. I need to select a specific paper tray |
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| 09:11.59 | trewas | I think it should work if the .ppd includes all the right options for the printer |
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| 09:13.45 | arafangion | pengown: Their smaller computers are very cost effective in Australia. |
| 09:13.58 | arafangion | pengown: Though, I can't say the same for international markets. |
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| 09:17.13 | pengown | Well I've wasted enough time trying to find a solution to running it on my Linux |
| 09:17.21 | pengown | I'll just hang out at the store :P |
| 09:17.50 | pengown | Sounds like it's horrible even if you get it working, can't update it, slow, etc etv |
| 09:18.29 | filenox | someone running varnish here? |
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| 09:27.20 | ksk | Hey guys. where can I find the documentation about apt-pinning? |
| 09:28.10 | ksk | like, the official one. the wiki article is not too helpful I'm afraid, nothing in man apt-get, apropos pinning says nothing :( |
| 09:28.12 | Stummi | ksk, man apt_preferences |
| 09:28.17 | ksk | thanks |
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| 09:39.46 | arafangion | pengown: Haha. :) It is pretty buggy, yes. |
| 09:39.54 | arafangion | pengown: I do miss debian when I use OS X all the time at work. |
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| 09:41.12 | tyll | Hi, what can be done if a Debian maintainer ignores but reports? E.g. here is a bug easy to fix but very annoying that was ignored for more than a year by the maintainer: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=743286 |
| 09:41.13 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/743286 in libpam-modules (open): «dynamic motd inconsistencies»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-04-01; last modified: 2015-02-10. |
| 09:41.34 | tyll | In Fedora there is e.g. a nonresponsive maintainer procedure |
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| 09:44.49 | svetlana | I'll start cursing soon. windowmaker's manpage says it autostarts a file in ~/Library/WindowMaker/autostart, but I have a line there which I clearly see does not run. |
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| 09:46.05 | iveevue | Why is icedtea and some openjdk packages being kept back from an upgrade? |
| 09:48.07 | jelly | dpkg, tell tyll about MIA |
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| 09:49.07 | jelly | tyll: mind you, if a maintainer works on some of their packages but ignores others they're not considered to be MIA |
| 09:50.41 | fireba11 | hi, if move thinks i want to move something to another device instead of moving around on the same device what did i do wrong? :-) (it effecticely copies, and of course that is a loot slower) |
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| 09:57.09 | speedio | what does "->" mean in c? |
| 09:59.05 | paradigm | the go to operator? |
| 09:59.13 | paradigm | oh |
| 09:59.14 | paradigm | no, just one - |
| 09:59.34 | paradigm | it dereferneces then does a . |
| 10:00.23 | paradigm | x->y is equivalent to (*x).y |
| 10:00.37 | speedio | ok |
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| 10:00.52 | speedio | i think i will have read more about that |
| 10:00.59 | speedio | sorry it was the wrong channel i asked in |
| 10:01.05 | speedio | thanks for the answer though :> |
| 10:01.08 | paradigm | :) |
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| 10:01.39 | jelly | fireba11: is that something a file or a directory or...? |
| 10:02.18 | berarma_ | how can I install newer versions of iceweasel? Should I use unstable and experimental? mdn hasn't updated since Jessie's release. |
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| 10:02.23 | fireba11 | jelly: folder with 25GB or so |
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| 10:03.35 | ChrisH | berarma_: WHY do you want a newser version? any bugs? check backports |
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| 10:03.50 | jelly | fireba11: well, you can't move a folder with a link/unlink action like you can move a file |
| 10:03.58 | ChrisH | trewas: I remember why I wanted to avoid gimp.... printing from there is difficult :) |
| 10:04.23 | fireba11 | jelly: ah well ... |
| 10:04.56 | jelly | fireba11: should have used cp ... -l then rm, or equivalent hardlinking option for rsync |
| 10:06.17 | fireba11 | jelly: ah well, shloud probably do a copy anyway ... messing with my owncloud setup :-D |
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| 10:07.19 | berarma_ | ChrisH, I'm a web developer. I didn't check backports, I'll do. |
| 10:07.58 | paradigm | berarma_: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 10:09.21 | berarma_ | paradigm, yes, mdn for short. It seems it's not up to date. |
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| 10:09.27 | waqstar | How can I get the times new roman font in iceweasel. I have firefox on my windows machine but want the same font on the debian machine |
| 10:10.03 | ChrisH | berarma_: and you want to write Code which cannot be used by Users with stable releases? :) |
| 10:10.14 | paradigm | berarma_: ahh, I didn't tnoice. Interesting |
| 10:10.20 | anddam | now it occurs to me I could have asked: is there a proper way to rename a user? |
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| 10:11.10 | anddam | I created a new one, copied the home, then substitued every instance of /home/oldname with /home/newname in files, I tossed caches |
| 10:11.12 | berarma_ | ChrisH, I want the development tools. My code will be usable on standards-compliant browsers. |
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| 10:11.33 | ChrisH | anddam: man usermod |
| 10:11.56 | anddam | for the "system" part |
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| 10:12.10 | ChrisH | anddam: what systempart? |
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| 10:12.20 | anddam | like /etc/passwd shadow and so |
| 10:12.44 | ChrisH | thats done by usermod... chown newuser on $HOME is your job |
| 10:12.53 | anddam | I was thinking about user's config files, I guess that's hand-made |
| 10:13.07 | anddam | ChrisH: chowning was the trivial part |
| 10:13.36 | ChrisH | anddam: what config files? check man usermod for -l option |
| 10:13.58 | anddam | I mean not the remaning was rocket science, but I was wondering if the obvious path (search and replace) wasn't the usual way |
| 10:14.08 | anddam | ChrisH: any config files any app ever wrote |
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| 10:14.32 | anddam | ChrisH: like all of them in their own runcontrol files or .config or whatelse |
| 10:14.58 | ChrisH | anddam: that might become tricky |
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| 10:16.23 | Furai | Hey, I've just upgraded to Debian 8 and my apache2 virtual hosts stopped working. What did I miss? |
| 10:16.55 | ChrisH | Furai: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#apache-httpd-incomat |
| 10:17.18 | ChrisH | apache changed from 2.2 to 2.4 with syntax changes..... |
| 10:17.49 | Furai | Uh, yeah...thanks. I'll try to figure it out. |
| 10:18.02 | Furai | It's just my test vps so no big harm done. |
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| 10:19.01 | Furai | I wonder how I missed that part with apache. |
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| 10:27.54 | iveevue | Why is icedtea and some openjdk packages being kept back from an upgrade? |
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| 10:36.05 | DaisyTheCow | I have the following programs: /usr/bin/prog /usr/local/bin/prog2 I've also used update-alternatives to create prog -> /usr/local/bin/prog2 when I do prog --version I'm getting output from prog and not prog2. Both prog and prog2 work as expected if the correct name is used. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? |
| 10:36.59 | DaisyTheCow | I'm wondering if /usr/bin is being checked before /etc/alternatives |
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| 10:38.01 | DaisyTheCow | Or possibly I need to add an entry to /etc/alternatives for /usr/bin/prog |
| 10:38.24 | ChrisH | DaisyTheCow: /etc/altertives does not get checked as you expect it. /usr/bin/XXX is likne to /etc/alternatives which links back to the "real" program |
| 10:38.44 | ChrisH | DaisyTheCow: does which prog show the expected location like /usr/bin/prog ?? |
| 10:39.01 | DaisyTheCow | ChrisH: I'll check. |
| 10:39.08 | petn-randall | DaisyTheCow: Look at the output of 'echo $PATH'. /etc/alternatives is never used. Most programs have links from /usr/bin/prog -> /etc/alternatives/prog -> /usr/bin/real_prog. |
| 10:40.27 | DaisyTheCow | ChrisH: which prog = /usr/bin/prog which prog2 = /usr/bin/local/prog2 |
| 10:40.39 | pgunnars | Im extracting JPEGs from a .rar, but for some reason only a small amount of the images get extracted correctly, whatsup? |
| 10:40.47 | DaisyTheCow | petn-randall: I think the issue might be that prog doesn't have an entry in /etc/alternatives |
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| 10:42.55 | DaisyTheCow | petn-randall: I've tried adding an entry for prog using update-alternatives but I get an error saying the link and the path can't be the same |
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| 10:47.01 | pgunnars | nvm, unrar doesnt support rar 3.0, installed unar and its fixed |
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| 10:50.34 | ChrisH | DaisyTheCow: show us the following commands and their output on paste.debian.net please: echo $PATH ; ls -l /usr/bin/prog /usr/bin/local/prog2 |
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| 10:51.02 | ksj | can someone point me in the direction of an explanation of how the traditional init system integrates with systemd in jessie? I know systemd, but I'm confused about how rabbitmq-server is being started, since there's no service file and systemd seems to be using init.d |
| 10:51.05 | ChrisH | DaisyTheCow: add which prog prog2 and the version check |
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| 10:58.03 | julius_ | hi |
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| 10:59.53 | freezer | hi |
| 11:00.22 | freezer | Any idea if Plesk11 will work with Debian8, or is it too old? |
| 11:00.35 | freezer | google is not very helpful |
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| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'shingeki no bahamut 12' returned no results. |
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| 11:07.50 | fireba11 | lol |
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| 11:08.25 | freezer | http://download1.parallels.com/Plesk/PP12/12.0/release-notes/parallels-plesk-12.0-for-linux-installation-upgrade-info.html |
| 11:08.37 | tasdft | ksj : rbabbitmq-servr is most likely being started by init |
| 11:08.37 | freezer | looks like not even plesk12 supports debian8 |
| 11:09.27 | kba | whenever my Debian system reboots, accessing any apache-hosted website gives me a redirect loop until I `apachectl graceful`. It would seem this happens, because apache is started up before mysql (where the domains/subdomains are loaded from). |
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| 11:09.47 | kba | How would I go about fixing this? |
| 11:10.29 | vegardx | Domains loaded from mysql? What sourcery is that? |
| 11:10.31 | tasdft | ksj : init's files are located in /etc/init.d and /etc/rc*.d . the files in /etc/rc*.d are links to the files in /etc/init.d |
| 11:10.37 | colo-work | fix the dependencies in your service mgmt system (sysV init or systed units) |
| 11:10.41 | colo-work | @ kba |
| 11:10.57 | colo-work | alternatively, don't store apache configuration information in your RDBMS |
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| 11:12.10 | ksj | tasdft: thanks, but that's what I'm confused about - how init and systemd are interacting |
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| 11:12.43 | ksj | and also, what the plans are moving forwards. I'd prefer to use systemd service files if that's the way forward |
| 11:13.37 | tasdft | ksj: i don't think they are interacting. the old init commands are being masked to look like systemd commands |
| 11:14.20 | tasdft | ksj: debian can use init if you want, you need to install systemd-sysv i think. |
| 11:14.57 | kba | colo-work: so when you're talkinga bout dependencies in my service management system, are you talking about /etc/rc*.d files? |
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| 11:15.21 | kba | in /etc/rc6.d (which I assume is where I should be looking), I have K01mysql and K02apache2 |
| 11:15.22 | jelly | ksj: systemd is (partially) backwards compatible, and runs some of the /etc/init.d/ stuff itself. There's no interaction. |
| 11:15.37 | ksj | I don't want to use init. I like systemd (I have no experience of traditional debian init). I'm just trying to figure out how to modify rabbitmq startup |
| 11:15.38 | kba | So I'd assume apache is started after mysqld has been setup |
| 11:16.12 | ksj | jelly: damn....so it's systemd that's running the stuff in /etc/init.d ... ok. is there a page that explains this? |
| 11:16.16 | tasdft | ksj: debian 8 use systemd as the default init. if you have upgraded an old system to 8 them you will have the old init unless something depended on systemd |
| 11:16.42 | jelly | tasdft: actually, no, the upgrade process switches you over to systemd |
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| 11:17.02 | ksj | tasdft: it's a clean jessie install. like I said, I'm comfortable with systemd and want to use it |
| 11:17.04 | colo-work | kba, yes |
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| 11:17.16 | jelly | tasdft: additional steps (described in jessie release notes) are needed to keep using sysvinit |
| 11:17.28 | ksj | what I'm not comfortable with is why systemd is starting rabbitmq-server despite there not being a systemd service file |
| 11:17.50 | kba | colo-work: so any idea why that doesn't seem to be the case? |
| 11:17.52 | jelly | ksj: it's using the backward compatibility features. |
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| 11:18.11 | tasdft | ksj: yes a clean install using systemd. then check the /etc/init.d directory |
| 11:18.12 | ksj | jelly: which are documented where? sorry, but I just can't seem to find info on it |
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| 11:18.56 | ksj | tasdft: I know it's running the /etc/init.d/rabbitmq-server shell script. I want to try to convert that to a systemd service file |
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| 11:19.31 | ksj | or alternatively, run it with some environment variables set |
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| 11:20.31 | jelly | ksj: not sure about Debian docs, but upstream has http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Incompatibilities/ |
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| 11:22.27 | tasdft | ksj: you can try adding the variables to the init script |
| 11:23.06 | tasdft | ks: edit the script adding the variables before the daemon gets started |
| 11:24.16 | ksj | I want to run multiple instances, each with different env vars. The way this was previously done (not by me) was to have multiple shell scripts in /etc/init.d/ that set env vars and then called the main /etc/init.d/rabbitmq-server |
| 11:24.29 | ksj | unfortunately that doesn't work in debian 8 |
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| 11:26.49 | tasdft | ksj: oh my. do you know where the scripts that call the /etc/init.d/rabbitmq-server lives and how they are called? |
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| 11:31.28 | ksj | yeah, they live in /etc/init.d. however, I'd prefer to do all of this properly with systemd service files |
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| 11:33.28 | tasdft | ksj: i'm checking something for you |
| 11:33.40 | tasdft | ksj: back back in a moment |
| 11:33.44 | ksj | thanks |
| 11:34.49 | ksj | thing is, on arch, the service files that are enabled are just symlinks to /usr/lib/systemd/system. on debian it seems more complex, due to backward compatibility, which is fine, but I can't find any documentation about writing service files |
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| 11:41.40 | kba | Can anybody help me debug why my apache isn't working right after a restart of the system? It's giving me infinite redirect loops which seems to be the symptom of mysql not running, since the domains are stored in there |
| 11:42.05 | kba | However, mysql has a smaller number than apache in all /etc/rc*.d/ folders |
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| 11:42.20 | kba | and doing `sudo ./mysql start && sudo ./apache2 start` also works when in /etc/init.d |
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| 11:44.29 | tasdft | ksj: still speed reading/testing, but the location of system files on debian is /lib/systemd and not /usr |
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| 11:52.05 | kba | which /etc/rc*.d/ folder is being "run" when the system boots? |
| 11:52.12 | kba | and are all commands being run with "start" as parameter? |
| 11:53.29 | tasdft | ksj: and the location for custom unit files appears to be /etc/systemd/system |
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| 11:54.48 | tasdft | ksj: so it would appear that you would create your init files in that /etc/systemd/system directory and remove or edit the file in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 12:00.14 | _aeris_ | hello #debian ! |
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| 12:00.47 | _aeris_ | just a question : how i can find the original upstream url use to build a package ? |
| 12:01.15 | _aeris_ | the original url of the .orign.tar.gz fetch with apt-get source |
| 12:01.37 | kba | I finally solved it. Without knowing how to verify, it would seem that startpar was enabled. Adding mysql as a dependency to apache2 in /etc/init.d/.depend.start seems to solved the problem |
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| 12:03.28 | OnkelTem | Hi. I can't update APT, getting errors on keys unavailability. See https://gist.github.com/OnkelTem/0dc99fc703e31dd05776 |
| 12:04.12 | OnkelTem | What does that mean and why? |
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| 12:05.04 | Cullz | can you clarify what command you are running? |
| 12:05.34 | OnkelTem | just apt-get update |
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| 12:05.57 | Cullz | do you use GPG? |
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| 12:07.13 | OnkelTem | Cullz: it is installed. Does apt use it - I don't know, guess yes. This is pretty default D7 install. I haven't configured it in any special hay |
| 12:07.28 | OnkelTem | way |
| 12:07.41 | Cullz | OnkelTem: I'm not really sure - it just looked like a GPG error to me |
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| 12:08.04 | OnkelTem | Cullz: if yes, how would I know more? |
| 12:08.09 | babilen | OnkelTem: Which version of debian-archive-keyring do you have installed? |
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| 12:08.29 | OnkelTem | babilen: 2014.1~deb7u1 |
| 12:09.18 | OnkelTem | Distro was installed by VPS hosting provider. I just selected it from the list they had offered |
| 12:09.29 | OnkelTem | it was 5 months ago |
| 12:09.34 | babilen | 2014.3~deb7u1 is the current version. Please install that package (so you get the new version) and try again |
| 12:09.38 | tasdft | ksj: got to go work calls |
| 12:10.03 | babilen | You'll get an error as the package cannot be verified at the moment |
| 12:10.07 | OnkelTem | babilen: hah, I missed that I can really install new packages |
| 12:10.15 | OnkelTem | and there are lots of them |
| 12:10.17 | babilen | It'll just complain |
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| 12:10.54 | babilen | Just grab the new version of debian-archive-keyring with "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring" for now and then run "apt-get update" again. That should solve your problem. |
| 12:11.20 | OnkelTem | babilen: I gave a try to 'apt-get upgrade'. It is working now |
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| 12:11.49 | OnkelTem | Quick English q: "I've given"? |
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| 12:12.13 | babilen | OnkelTem: Sure, that simply upgraded more "unverified" packages than necessary |
| 12:12.38 | babilen | OnkelTem: "I tried ..." |
| 12:12.51 | OnkelTem | thanks :) |
| 12:12.52 | Cullz | OnkelTem: "I tried" or reorder your original to "I gave apt-get update a try" |
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| 12:13.13 | OnkelTem | Cullz: nice, I see |
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| 12:18.46 | tytan | Hello, everyone. I installed exfat-fuse on Debian 8. Why can't I format drives in exfat now? :( |
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| 12:23.09 | sly007 | Hello, Hello, when I want to start the uWSGI, I get « # systemctl start uwsgi.service ==> |
| 12:23.10 | sly007 | Job for uwsgi.service failed. See 'systemctl status uwsgi.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details. » |
| 12:23.36 | jelly | tytan: does this exfat-fuse thing come with a mkfs.exfat tool? |
| 12:23.46 | sly007 | The journal doesnât say anything appart from: uwsgi.service: control process exited, code=exited status=1 |
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| 12:24.00 | tytan | jelly: I don't know what this does but I don't think so |
| 12:24.24 | sly007 | What I donât understand is that when I start the service manually (uwsgi âini /etc/uwsgi/apps-enabled/sly007.ini), it just works |
| 12:24.27 | tytan | jelly: I don't have the exfat option in gparted |
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| 12:24.50 | jelly | tytan: a driver to read and write on a filesystem is a different tool than one that creates/formats a filesystem. "exfat-fuse" sounds like the former, not the latter |
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| 12:26.28 | tytan | jelly: Can you tell me how to format drives in exfat in gparted? |
| 12:26.31 | jelly | tytan: there may be a separate package with mkfs.exfat near the place you downloaded the exfat-fuse driver from |
| 12:26.53 | tytan | jelly: I used apt-get install exfat-fuse |
| 12:27.01 | jelly | ,v exfat-fuse |
| 12:27.02 | judd | Package: exfat-fuse on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 0.9.7-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.7-2; wheezy-backports: 1.0.1-1~bpo70+1; sid: 1.1.0-2; jessie: 1.1.0-2; stretch: 1.1.0-2 |
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| 12:28.01 | tytan | So stretch is the next Debian release in developement? |
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| 12:28.38 | jelly | tytan: guess you may have to download the source and build mkfs for exfat on your own https://code.google.com/p/exfat/ |
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| 12:29.37 | tytan | jelly: Thank you very much. I guess with a little use of google I can manage to do it ^^ |
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| 12:35.11 | Guest8893 | if I do cp -v /var/file/* /var/file2/* > output |
| 12:35.21 | Guest8893 | Will it not append? |
| 12:35.31 | Guest8893 | to output |
| 12:35.41 | Guest8893 | if I run that cp commando 10 times for example |
| 12:36.02 | Guest8893 | oh lord, its double >> |
| 12:36.05 | tytan | I don't know ^^ |
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| 12:37.41 | jelly | Guest8893: that * at the end of the destination directory will not do what you hope it would do |
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| 12:39.19 | Guest8893 | jelly: it's just psuedo. I was more interested in the > |
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| 12:40.11 | jelly | "pseudo" is never an excuse for sloppy code in a public place, people can read it and think it's sane |
| 12:41.45 | tytan | Calm. I don't think he had the intention to hurt noobs :P |
| 12:42.03 | PETSounds | Hi. i am using Firefox in Jessie, since i need to have the latest version installed. In the previous Debian release, i usually use iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net but afaik they haven't build the iceweasel backports for Jessie yet. My question is will my systems exposed to security risk and instability? thanks. |
| 12:43.35 | jelly | PETSounds: iceweasel in jessie tracks the Firefox ESR release branch, and those get security fixes. |
| 12:43.49 | tytan | PETSounds: As long as you're using your brain while surfing the web you should be fine ;) |
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| 12:44.13 | nbt | PETSounds: using the release binary from mozilla should be fine, if that's what you mean |
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| 12:45.36 | PETSounds | ok thanks. jelly tytan nbt |
| 12:45.38 | Mister | Hi is anybody here? |
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| 12:46.17 | SirLagz | Mister: there's always people here |
| 12:46.17 | petn-randall | Mister: Probably. |
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| 12:46.43 | Mister | ah ah . Good News. Hi to everybody from here Fance (Europe)... |
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| 12:47.00 | Mister | I am new debian user , liversion (cinnamon) |
| 12:47.26 | Mister | liv version. Sorry for my English (not my primary language) |
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| 12:48.10 | Mister | Just testing Debian to compare to some other Debian-based linux distros |
| 12:48.25 | bazhang | ,v cinnamon |
| 12:48.26 | judd | Package: cinnamon on amd64 -- stretch: 2.2.16-5; jessie: 2.2.16-5; sid: 2.2.16-5; experimental: 2.4.8-1 |
| 12:48.39 | ksj | ok, I'm confused. according to a pdf for package maintainers, /etc/init.d is supposed to be a collection of symlinks to systemd service files, but it's not. it's a standard directory of shell scripts. |
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| 12:48.46 | ksj | this is on a clean debian 8 install |
| 12:48.54 | PETSounds | nbt: i am losing the KDE integration by using it, do you happen to know what package i need to bring back the integration? |
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| 12:49.42 | nbt | PETSounds: not sure, I don't use KDE |
| 12:50.09 | Mister | Yes cinnamon is very beautifull but i believe it may be RAM exhaust |
| 12:50.46 | Mister | i got at least 2 GO RAM and cinnamon is not very very fast to react |
| 12:51.11 | Mister | i may test xfe distro very soon to see about that |
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| 12:51.53 | nbt | PETSounds: from what I've read, the mozilla build doesn't integrate well with kde though |
| 12:51.53 | Mister | And how can i get system infos to see about my disto system infos.? |
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| 12:52.39 | sputnik | guys, anyone had trouble with fresh install of jessie and dhclient? i can't get my eth0 configured vie dhcp after fresh install |
| 12:52.57 | PETSounds | nbt: yes. Iceweasel integrate very well with KDE. so i wonder what patches or package they are using |
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| 12:53.12 | sputnik | after 5 or more reboots of freshely installed jessie sometimes it gets configured |
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| 12:54.45 | PETSounds | Mister: i think it is slower because cinnamon requires enabled-compositing |
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| 13:05.33 | Electro_ | Hello/Bonjour |
| 13:05.46 | Mister | Salut mec. |
| 13:06.01 | Mister | Electro_, tu viens d'arriver ? |
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| 13:06.25 | Electro_ | Mister, oui |
| 13:07.06 | Mister | Ah tu utilises Debian depuis ? |
| 13:07.24 | karlpinc | !fr |
| 13:07.25 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 13:07.54 | Electro_ | Mister, on va sur l'autre canal ? |
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| 13:08.37 | Mister | Lequel ? |
| 13:09.05 | Electro_ | debian-fr apparamment |
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| 13:09.37 | Mister | Tu a demande un pv? |
| 13:10.41 | Electro_ | yes |
| 13:10.43 | karlpinc | Electro, Mister: Yes, we try to keep it to one language per channel to keep the clutter down and make it easier to follow the threads. |
| 13:10.54 | Mister | ok karimb sorry |
| 13:11.09 | karlpinc | No worries. |
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| 13:17.03 | karimb | Mister, tu es pardonné ! |
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| 13:18.22 | Mister | ok karimb , c'est pas ton pseudo que je voulai ecrire. |
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| 13:21.21 | ztane | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#iproute2_method <- in jessie, can I use this to configure both DHCP *and* a fixed address at the same time? |
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| 13:21.45 | ztane | that is, if dhcp is available, it *too* should be used, otherwise just the fixed address |
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| 13:23.09 | ztane | *s/fixed/static/ |
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| 13:24.17 | ztane | I guess not |
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| 13:26.12 | darxmurf | reboot |
| 13:26.14 | petn-randall | ztane: If you need anything else than a static setup, use network-manager. |
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| 13:31.22 | ztane | petn-randall: embedded device |
| 13:31.27 | ztane | petn-randall: no network manager |
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| 13:34.48 | karlpinc | ztane: You tried it? |
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| 13:36.26 | petn-randall | ztane: What release are you running? |
| 13:37.43 | ztane | jessie |
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| 13:38.37 | ztane | i am using dhcp now but i'd want to configure both dhcp (if available) and a static if (without route) on the same ethernet port |
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| 13:39.18 | teraflop | ztane: what does mean if avaiable? |
| 13:39.59 | petn-randall | ,v guessnet |
| 13:40.00 | judd | Package: guessnet on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.53-1; wheezy: 0.55; jessie: 0.56; stretch: 0.56; sid: 0.56 |
| 13:40.35 | teraflop | regarding dhcp? eg you plan to travel with the device but want a fixed fallback ip address? |
| 13:40.37 | petn-randall | ztane: ifup together with guessnet would work. Or systemd has a rudimentary network management, too. |
| 13:41.02 | petn-randall | ztane: network-manager also has a CLI, just because you're working embedded doesn't mean you can't use it :) |
| 13:41.03 | jelly | ztane: an unusual setup. I'd set up a static ip via interfaces(5) and start a dhcp client in post-up |
| 13:41.07 | teraflop | petn-randall: systemd-networkd? not that rudimentary? |
| 13:41.33 | petn-randall | teraflop: It's not? I never looked into it. |
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| 13:42.27 | teraflop | petn-randall: i do, i do a /64 and tun/tap with netwokd in jessie |
| 13:42.35 | karlpinc | jelly: That seems like a good approach to manage the fallover of the default route. |
| 13:43.26 | teraflop | ztane: what jelly says sounds good, you can also install networkmanager and make use of nmtui, but it'll need a keyboard I suppose |
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| 13:43.44 | jelly | karlpinc: they don't even want a default route with that static ip |
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| 13:47.02 | karlpinc | What's emdebian looking like these days? I'd like to give it a try. Seems like multiarch on jessie could make image creation easy. ? |
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| 13:48.20 | karlpinc | Humm. Seems like emdebian is dead. |
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| 13:48.45 | jelly | emdeadian. |
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| 13:49.19 | karlpinc | All the same, there must be a roadmap somewhere given all the raspberry pi et-al. |
| 13:49.40 | ztane | teraflop: nope, this is within a box, for debugging/upgrade purposes it'd be handy if it automatically also picked up an address using dhcp |
| 13:49.42 | teraflop | hmm but dhcp request will slow down the boot if no dhcpserver available, isn't it |
| 13:50.10 | teraflop | ztane: ah then forget my last words |
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| 13:50.45 | ztane | so the static ip should be available asap, the dhcp can wait but all net services should be running with the static ip |
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| 13:51.52 | karlpinc | ztane: Sounds like you might want to run dhcp as it's own daemon so none of the other network services depend on it. |
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| 13:52.34 | trewas | karlpinc: raspberry pi et al can run the normal debian just fine (apart from rpi having a weird processor which is not well supported in debian) |
| 13:52.35 | ztane | hmm |
| 13:52.43 | ztane | this is rpi2 |
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| 13:52.52 | ztane | running standard debian here ;) |
| 13:53.01 | trewas | yeah rpi2 is better in that regard |
| 13:53.10 | ztane | just installing from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 13:54.38 | karlpinc | trewas: I suppose I should read the install manual for the arch. |
| 13:54.42 | raphr | Hi just upgraded wheezy NFS server to jessie. When client connects via NFS v3 i've got flood kernel messages on server. lockd cannot monitor myhostname |
| 13:55.00 | raphr | although it seems to work |
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| 13:55.22 | swift110-phone | Ar |
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| 13:56.00 | switchp0rt | using dpkg-deb to build a deb file, gives me the following error: control directory has bad permissions 770 (must be >=0755 and <=0755). any ideas? |
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| 13:56.29 | darxmurf | re |
| 13:57.03 | ztane | karlpinc: the problem with standard debian is that the armv6 is not at all supported by debian binaries, so it needs custom built software to take use of the floating point hw. |
| 13:57.47 | ztane | karlpinc: rpi1 = armv6, rpi2 = armv7, so armv7hf works just fine as is, just need to have a special img to boot |
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| 14:00.30 | teraflop | ztane: I do bananapi for headless server, it's armv7hf it's a good board too |
| 14:01.33 | ztane | this is a multiboard embedded device, they built the board for rpi1 rev 2, now the rpi2 is the same form factor, which is quite neat :D |
| 14:02.09 | vegardx | raphr: I bet that's because you have fucked up hostname that doesn't map to something. So the monitor daemon tries to connect to a hostname that does not resolv. |
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| 14:02.34 | ztane | the problem ofc is that while the original had raspbian, I now need to pretty much build the system from scratch for this new, no good images really exist |
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| 14:07.27 | raphr | vegardx: thanks. The problem comes from client resolving then ? |
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| 14:10.02 | karlpinc | ztane: I'm not at all interested in the r-pi, but am in embedded arm in general. |
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| 14:11.43 | vegardx | I doubt it, as it's a local process that reports the issue? |
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| 14:12.51 | raphr | My DNS REcords seems OK server and client |
| 14:15.19 | raphr | strange that hostname reporterd is not server and not client |
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| 14:16.33 | raphr | hummm. maybe another connected client I'll check |
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| 14:41.37 | Wegge | I had a problem with clamav updates, so while debugging, I emptied /var/lib/clamav. Unfortunately, I managed to restart the service before the directory was populated. Because the clamav-daemon.service file specifies that two files must be present, the service of course failed to start. |
| 14:41.55 | Wegge | And it did that about 3000 times per second for quite some time. |
| 14:42.30 | Wegge | So now my question is: Is it possible to put a throttyle on systemd, so it doesn't spin out of control in a case like this? |
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| 14:43.23 | ChrisH | Wegge: from my memory systemd shpuld/can stop after a given number of restarts |
| 14:44.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | Restart=always |
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| 14:44.18 | Wegge | I have 5 GB of syslog, saying that the default number is pretty high :) |
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| 14:45.00 | NoImNotNineVolt | Takes one of no, on-success, on-failure, on-abnormal, on-watchdog, on-abort, or always. If set to no (the default), the service will not be restarted. |
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| 14:45.22 | Wegge | In the .service file? |
| 14:45.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | yes. |
| 14:45.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.service.html |
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| 14:45.45 | Wegge | There is no Restart at all. |
| 14:45.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | then the default is no. |
| 14:46.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | doesn't seem to be a Restart issue then. |
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| 14:46.37 | Wegge | What else could it be? |
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| 14:46.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's a good question. can you post the service file? |
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| 14:47.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | (there's also the StartLimit settings if you're looking to throttle this) |
| 14:47.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | (i'd say it would be a better idea to first figure out why it's going crazy like this, though) |
| 14:47.53 | Wegge | It's the bog standard clamav-daemon.service file from clamav, but if you haven't got that installed, I can put a paste up. |
| 14:47.55 | Wegge | 1 sec |
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| 14:48.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | "By default, services which are started more than 5 times within 10 seconds are not permitted to start any more times until the 10 second interval ends." |
| 14:48.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | aye, i don't run clamav, sorry. |
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| 14:49.39 | Wegge | http://paste.debian.net/172100 |
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| 14:50.08 | NoImNotNineVolt | indeed, that looks rather basic. |
| 14:50.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | mhagdorn_: no. |
| 14:50.13 | raphr | vegardx: this was another nfs client. seems to be lock issues between my NFS debian 7 client and NFS debian 8 server. It works with no-lock options. |
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| 14:51.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | i've never seen ConditionPathExistsGlob though |
| 14:51.50 | vegardx | raphr: Aha, makes sense. You should use the lock option though. |
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| 14:52.46 | Wegge | Do you think this is something that should be filed as a bug, and if so on the service file, or on systemd? |
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| 14:52.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | Before starting a unit verify that the specified condition is true. If it is not true, the starting of the unit will be skipped, however all ordering dependencies of it are still respected. A failing condition will not result in the unit being moved into a failure state. The condition is checked at the time the queued start job is to be executed. |
| 14:53.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | i don't know what "all ordering dependencies of it are still respected" means in this context. |
| 14:53.50 | Wegge | grep "Started Clam AntiVirus userspace daemon" /var/log/syslog | wc |
| 14:53.51 | Wegge | 71397781 713977810 5354833575 |
| 14:54.04 | Wegge | That's for a ~4 hour window |
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| 14:54.15 | NoImNotNineVolt | and i don't know enough about job queuing to say what the implications of that last part are. |
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| 14:55.13 | debiii | Hi ... i need run file commande with display commande executed |
| 14:55.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | so it seems that those conditions _are_ being met, as otherwise "the starting of the unit will be skipped" |
| 14:55.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | and it's clear from the logs that it's being started. |
| 14:55.40 | SynrG | Wegge: "i emptied /var/lib/clamav" sounds like user error. though i agree it shouldn't spin out of control. if you file a bug, it should be on clamav. if it turns out to be a systemd issue and the maintainer can prove it, the maintainer would hand reassigning the bug to systemd. |
| 14:55.52 | SynrG | handle* |
| 14:56.26 | Wegge | SynrG, You are right that it's an exceptional situation. I accept that clamav fails in this case. |
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| 14:57.15 | Wegge | I'm just not convinced that this is a proper error handling. I I hadn't noticed, the server would eventually run out of disk space. |
| 14:57.25 | SynrG | <NoImNotNineVolt> "By default, services which are started more than 5 times within 10 seconds are not permitted to start any more times until the 10 second interval ends." |
| 14:57.31 | SynrG | NoImNotNineVolt: ^^ where is that quote from? |
| 14:57.36 | SynrG | oh, StartLimit setting |
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| 14:57.44 | SynrG | still, which doc? |
| 14:57.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.service.html |
| 14:58.10 | SynrG | damn. if i had just scrolled up a bit more, you linked :) |
| 14:58.15 | SynrG | yeah |
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| 14:58.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | i know nothing about anything, but i'm not terrible at googling ;) |
| 14:58.52 | SynrG | so if the service file can be fixed to limit it ... |
| 14:59.11 | SynrG | Wegge: you could possibly hand-patch the service file with the setting, then test by reproducing the error condition ... |
| 14:59.20 | SynrG | then include a tested patch in your bug. that would be super useful. |
| 14:59.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | but the default setting should already be limiting it to an average rate of 1 start every 2 seconds. |
| 14:59.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | which is considerably less than 3000 starts per second. |
| 14:59.33 | SynrG | hmm |
| 14:59.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | so it seems that the default service start rate limiting isn't being applied here. |
| 15:00.02 | raphr | vegardx: investigate deeper. the mounted directory is shared by a tftp server. I get issues only when I start tftp server. |
| 15:00.09 | SynrG | maybe systemd can't rate-limit whatever does the restarting? |
| 15:00.20 | SynrG | e.g. if it's clamav implementing its own restarting somehow ... |
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| 15:00.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | right. it would seem that either this isn't a systemd issue or systemd is very, very broken. |
| 15:00.46 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'd guess the former over the latter. |
| 15:01.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | something this broken would've been noticed :P |
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| 15:01.16 | SynrG | did we confirm from the logs it's systemd doing the restarting? |
| 15:01.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | i don't believe so. |
| 15:01.57 | SynrG | Wegge: might be good to check into that |
| 15:02.01 | edoardo | hi |
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| 15:02.20 | edoardo | is it advisable to upgrade from wheezy to jessie on a server? |
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| 15:02.40 | edoardo | i just bought a dedicated but it doesn't come with jessie but wheezy |
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| 15:02.51 | keltim | edoardo, if over ssh you should definitely have a plan B |
| 15:03.04 | edoardo | i'm working on a vps tho |
| 15:03.18 | edoardo | so i can reinstall if something wrong happens |
| 15:03.23 | keltim | my wheezy vps uses some bastardized init system ... def. not sysv that is default in wheezy |
| 15:03.57 | ChrisH | edoardo: at least use screen to reattach to. Do you have a serial console option? |
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| 15:04.54 | edoardo | ChrisH: why should i use screen? |
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| 15:05.19 | edoardo | anyway, i just updated a fresh install of wheezy to jessie |
| 15:05.28 | edoardo | now i'm gonna reboot and see what happens |
| 15:05.36 | keltim | serial console is best, some vps providers offer that |
| 15:05.44 | edoardo | yes i have it |
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| 15:05.52 | edoardo | however i did it over ssh |
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| 15:06.12 | keltim | the serial console is if it will not boot ... or otherwise provide sshd |
| 15:06.31 | edoardo | yay it booted |
| 15:06.48 | edoardo | is jessie stable enough for production? |
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| 15:07.22 | Wegge | edoardo, I run jessie, and apart from my misadventure with clamav, mentioned above, it works OK for me. |
| 15:07.36 | yzT | edoardo, I didn't have any problem at all |
| 15:08.11 | raphr | vegardx: Strange. After client reboot probelm seems to have disapeard |
| 15:08.13 | edoardo | i'll give it a shot then |
| 15:08.17 | Wegge | If you already have something set up, you will have to adjust some settings. Apache and php for instance. |
| 15:08.27 | Wegge | But if it's a clean slate, go ahead. |
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| 15:08.33 | edoardo | my wheezy server has more than one year of uptime and it's working perfectly |
| 15:08.54 | edoardo | I'll just install MariaDB, PHP and Lighttpd |
| 15:09.08 | edoardo | i'm currently using that setup but Apache2, and Lighttpd seems more promising |
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| 15:15.02 | LordDeath | in tasksel which DE is better for a old PC? xfce or mate? |
| 15:16.07 | Brigo | LordDeath, it depends mostly in your taste. |
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| 15:18.37 | ksalman | When is autofs 5.1 be available for jessie? Right now jessie has autofs 5.0.8 and that doesn't really work. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=743939 |
| 15:18.38 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/743939 in autofs (closed, fixed-upstream): «autofs: Fails to mount shares with -hosts»; severity: important; opened: 2014-04-08; last modified: 2015-04-10. |
| 15:18.43 | shay_shay | LordDeath: if I remove myself from all other aspects than performance, xfce |
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| 15:20.31 | bringyourownchee | I've just upgraded to jessie, but it was suspiciously quick (<5min) |
| 15:20.54 | petn-randall | ksalman: Probably never, as jessie is released and this doesn't look like an RC bug. |
| 15:21.16 | ksalman | ugh really? but autofs doesn't really work? |
| 15:21.22 | ksalman | 5.0.8 that is |
| 15:21.37 | sydney_untangle | bringyourownchee: So... You ahve a ssd? |
| 15:21.44 | LordDeath | Brigo, shay_shay: I guess that I will try out both and see what happens. :) |
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| 15:22.22 | LordDeath | did anyone here already upgraded a wheezy to jessie on a postfix/dovecot server? |
| 15:22.32 | LordDeath | are the old configs compatible? |
| 15:22.34 | bringyourownchee | sydney_untangle: sas? |
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| 15:23.01 | shay_shay | LordDeath: mate doesn't perform as well. I've tested this thoroughly. I'm no talking about taste here because my taste prefer mate, however on my ancient iMac I run xfce because it runs better |
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| 15:23.37 | shay_shay | s/no/not |
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| 15:35.51 | juliofreitas | How can I install ruby 2.0 at Debian 7.0? |
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| 15:36.07 | Wegge | LordDeath, Yes and yes |
| 15:36.51 | LordDeath | Wegge: but I should still read the documentation about the upstream packages about important changes? |
| 15:37.11 | LordDeath | or are the new postfix and dovecot releases just drop-in replacements of the old ones? |
| 15:37.25 | pclov3r | so what do you think of Debian 8 so far |
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| 15:37.27 | pclov3r | are you happy with it? |
| 15:37.32 | LordDeath | especially postfix is tricky to configure :) |
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| 15:38.16 | pclov3r | not as bad a sendmail |
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| 15:38.41 | Wegge | LordDeath, I didn't have to change anything. |
| 15:38.43 | LordDeath | recently a podcaster said: "email is the end boss of server administration" and I agree |
| 15:38.51 | LordDeath | :) |
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| 15:39.00 | Wegge | So upstream seem to be compatible. |
| 15:39.06 | LordDeath | nice |
| 15:39.13 | Wegge | LordDeath, Try nntp |
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| 15:50.15 | nidhoegger | Hello, i have installed a package (redmine) and totaly screwed up the configuration. How can i reset all configuration files to default? |
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| 15:50.32 | nidhoegger | all configuration files already came with the package, so there are no files i added |
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| 15:50.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | purge and reinstall. |
| 15:51.03 | nidhoegger | apt-get purge redmine? |
| 15:51.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | dpkg --purge redmine |
| 15:51.11 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up redmine all over noimnotninevolt and mbecroft... |
| 15:51.19 | nidhoegger | thank you |
| 15:51.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | wipes his face |
| 15:51.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | you're welcome. |
| 15:51.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | that'll get rid of everything, though. |
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| 15:52.32 | dontknow | nidhoegger, dpkg-reconfigure package-name maybe |
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| 15:52.44 | nidhoegger | purge did the job, thanks" |
| 15:52.46 | petn-randall | NoImNotNineVolt, nidhoegger, this might not give you the config back. |
| 15:52.48 | petn-randall | !confmiss |
| 15:52.48 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 15:54.27 | greycat | If you purge the whole package, it won't be an issue. confmiss only applies to --remove. |
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| 15:54.53 | greycat | or more commonly, to a --reinstall install |
| 15:54.56 | petn-randall | greycat: Good to know, wasn't 100% sure. |
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| 15:56.36 | edoardo | why doesn't restarting ssh drop the ssh connection? |
| 15:56.43 | dontknow | i misunderstood the question |
| 15:57.02 | edoardo | i can do service ssh restart while sshed in and have no consequences |
| 15:57.05 | greycat | Because it restarts the daemon that's listening for connections, not the child that's handling your connection. |
| 15:57.21 | edoardo | cool |
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| 15:57.51 | petn-randall | edoardo: Also because too many people lost their connection on upgrades and never got a shell back ;) |
| 15:58.13 | greycat | I don't know that that EVER happened.... |
| 15:58.18 | edoardo | petn-randall: yeah as soon as i saw "Restarting: SSH" i freaked out a bit :-) |
| 15:59.12 | ChrisH | edoardo: therefore I recommended to use screen :) then you can reconnect even if your ssh session was dropped |
| 15:59.24 | blackflow | tmux > screen |
| 15:59.26 | edoardo | hmm... how? via serial console? |
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| 15:59.59 | greycat | screen's great for reconnecting to a session if you *temporarily* lost the connection, but it wouldn't help you if sshd died and didn't come back up |
| 16:00.25 | edoardo | "Configuring keyboard-configuration" |
| 16:00.28 | dontknow | i upgraded to sid to try. it uses glamor acceleration for intel by default. i had no idea debian would use suck radical configuration |
| 16:00.40 | edoardo | do i even need that on a ssh server? |
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| 16:01.44 | mdim | hi folks |
| 16:01.53 | mdim | I've been wondering what's going on with jessie-backports |
| 16:02.13 | mdim | at http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ it says to add this to sources.list: deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-backports main |
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| 16:02.31 | dontknow | mdim, it has some packages http://backports.debian.org/changes/jessie-backports.html |
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| 16:02.44 | mdim | however, when I run apt-get update, I see this: Err http://http.debian.net jessie-backports/main amd64 Packages |
| 16:02.59 | ChrisH | edoardo: you start some jobs inside the screen or tmux and disconnect from it.... if you come back later, you just reconnect to the session and continue to work. Like connection via RDP to a windows terminal server. |
| 16:03.19 | edoardo | ChrisH: yes i know how it works and i use it all the time |
| 16:03.33 | edoardo | i was just asking why it has to be used while updating |
| 16:03.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | is there a way to get tmux to see mouse events over a remote connection? |
| 16:04.06 | NoImNotNineVolt | i know there's a way to enable mouse input, but it only seems to work locally. |
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| 16:05.07 | edoardo | "shutdown -r now" |
| 16:05.16 | edoardo | pray for me |
| 16:05.25 | ChrisH | edoardo: just because you can reconnect in case the network session got disconnected. I use it for all critical stuff and to make work easier, my IRC client runs inside a screen. |
| 16:05.59 | edoardo | my teamspeak server runs inside screen |
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| 16:07.58 | ag4ve_ | i need to update an image of a box, all the docs i see deal with booting off of tftp - how do i just setup to provide a file? |
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| 16:14.22 | edoardo | wtf |
| 16:14.36 | edoardo | installing php5 installed also apache2 |
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| 16:18.04 | halt | Hi guys, I have an issue with the mylvmbackup, I got an error when running a job, my friend google did not help, so I hope someone here will know where to search for the solution |
| 16:18.11 | srg | edoardo: php5 likely "recommends" apache2 |
| 16:18.49 | halt | there error itself, at least the important bit is short, and look say the following |
| 16:18.49 | halt | device-mapper: create ioctl failed: Device or resource busy |
| 16:18.49 | halt | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.14 | nidhoegger | can i somehow check if packages have issues? as the redmine package does not completely work, i get many 500 errors from webserver |
| 16:19.28 | GJdan | where does one download the debian7 media these days? |
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| 16:19.53 | greycat | wheezy installer should not be hard to find |
| 16:20.04 | ag4ve_ | GJdan: debian.org/mirrors or some such - google? |
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| 16:20.31 | greycat | !netinst |
| 16:20.31 | dpkg | [netinst] a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 16:22.38 | dimitry7 | Hi guys, do you have any pre-made IPtables priorization rule that might apply?? |
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| 16:22.50 | dimitry7 | for a port, I want to give priority to ssh |
| 16:22.59 | dimitry7 | but nothing seems to work :S |
| 16:23.25 | greycat | If you don't get an answer here, try in #netfilter |
| 16:23.32 | tethra | hmm, anyone know how insane it'd be to switch to stretch already? are changes that don't make it past ci.debian.net getting out of sid for this release? |
| 16:24.19 | dimitry7 | greycat, wow, I didnt remember, thanks man! will ask there |
| 16:25.57 | jelly | dimitry7: on a consumer broadband connection, "wondershaper" is often good enough if you play with the parameters a bit |
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| 16:27.23 | dimitry7 | jelly, I have a symertic 8 MB internet link |
| 16:27.27 | dimitry7 | * symetric |
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| 16:27.34 | jelly | dimitry7: eg. for a 20/2 Mbps DSL line, "wondershaper eth0 16000 1400" makes interactive sessions responsive enough even with lots of upload going on |
| 16:27.44 | dimitry7 | I have a E1 |
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| 16:28.19 | dimitry7 | wondershaper eth0 1600 1400 |
| 16:28.22 | dimitry7 | where do I configure that? |
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| 16:30.08 | jelly | dimitry7: there's no ready-made integration. install the thing, test it, when you're satisfied with results put it in a "post-up" line in the relevant iface stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:30.33 | jelly | and perhaps a "down" line with wondershaper eth0 clear |
| 16:31.04 | jelly | this is not iptables but tc, a different part of netfilter |
| 16:31.56 | dimitry7 | jelly, that's for traffic in general |
| 16:31.59 | dimitry7 | I just need a port |
| 16:32.16 | dimitry7 | tc? heard of it |
| 16:32.25 | dimitry7 | I tried to configure it to |
| 16:32.27 | dimitry7 | * too |
| 16:32.33 | dimitry7 | it didnt work |
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| 16:37.17 | Tigerboy | is deb 8 a good way to go for desktop some dev/server use |
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| 16:38.04 | GreeningGalaxy | I figured out that unicode input problem |
| 16:38.05 | rozie | Tigerboy: it's Debian channel. Debian is the best. |
| 16:38.20 | GreeningGalaxy | xubuntu has ibus configured for that by default |
| 16:38.31 | Tigerboy | oh ok thanks I meant the level is 8 the default now |
| 16:38.34 | GreeningGalaxy | so it was simple enough to get that working in debian |
| 16:38.36 | Tigerboy | version |
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| 16:38.58 | rozie | Tigerboy: and what is desktop ... dev/server use |
| 16:39.01 | srg | Version 8 is the current stable release. The code name for it is Jessie. |
| 16:39.20 | GreeningGalaxy | best debian yet :3 |
| 16:39.31 | srg | I'm already on Debian 9 |
| 16:39.37 | rozie | yes. and it's good for servers. and desktop. |
| 16:39.48 | Tigerboy | and does it support fully automated uefi boot install |
| 16:40.17 | GreeningGalaxy | yep! |
| 16:40.21 | GreeningGalaxy | well |
| 16:40.22 | hblack | yo |
| 16:40.23 | Tigerboy | ok cool |
| 16:40.26 | Tigerboy | well? |
| 16:40.28 | Tigerboy | :) |
| 16:40.32 | GreeningGalaxy | I did my partitioning manually, but that's just because I'm a nerd |
| 16:40.39 | GPenguin | :D |
| 16:40.40 | GreeningGalaxy | I assume it works with automatic partitioning |
| 16:40.44 | GreeningGalaxy | but I don't know |
| 16:40.58 | hblack | how to set tor on kali-linux |
| 16:41.01 | GreeningGalaxy | (I had an existing /home partition I wanted to keep, so...) |
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| 16:41.09 | Tigerboy | well i do it manually too but I had to go through a bit with arch installs to get it to work a while back |
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| 16:41.54 | Tigerboy | I mean it by default recognises standard linux style uefi boot partitions |
| 16:42.27 | GreeningGalaxy | I didn't have any luck at all with the hybrid/live USB images |
| 16:42.44 | GreeningGalaxy | they dont appear to be UEFI-bootable, at least not when I tried |
| 16:43.00 | GreeningGalaxy | but I did have perfectly good results from a netinst CD ISO flashed to a USB drive' |
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| 16:43.22 | Tigerboy | we're kind of at that transition point where uefi is slowly taking more of a roll |
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| 16:43.30 | Tigerboy | role |
| 16:43.47 | GreeningGalaxy | I like it. it makes for faster boots AFAICT |
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| 16:44.15 | Tigerboy | I just have some 4 terabyte drives and want to be able to install in uefi mode |
| 16:44.29 | Tigerboy | yes so true |
| 16:45.00 | GreeningGalaxy | still not sure exactly what secure boot does |
| 16:45.12 | GreeningGalaxy | besides make it refuse to boot linux i mean, lol |
| 16:45.23 | freezer | it makes it secure |
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| 16:45.46 | Tigerboy | it's MS incompatibility mode lol |
| 16:45.52 | GreeningGalaxy | ah, okay |
| 16:45.57 | GreeningGalaxy | i wondered |
| 16:46.04 | freezer | you don't need firewalls once you have secure boot |
| 16:46.12 | freezer | it's awesome |
| 16:46.20 | GreeningGalaxy | huh? |
| 16:46.36 | freezer | i disabled firewalls on all our servers |
| 16:46.40 | Tigerboy | don't need locks on your house doors either |
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| 16:46.55 | Tigerboy | why wouldn't you need a firewall |
| 16:47.00 | GreeningGalaxy | does it also make you not need parachutes when you jump out of an airplane |
| 16:47.08 | freezer | yes |
| 16:47.20 | freezer | but you need a windows phone |
| 16:47.33 | Tigerboy | That would hurt GreeningGalaxy: |
| 16:47.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | you don't need per-host firewalls on a secure network. |
| 16:47.37 | julius_ | hi |
| 16:47.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | now, whether or not a secure network can exist in reality is another question :P |
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| 16:48.10 | Tigerboy | I always leave things just in case there is some issue |
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| 16:48.20 | edoardo | cool |
| 16:48.27 | edoardo | php5-fpm says the request per seconds |
| 16:48.28 | Tigerboy | I reckon the more walls the better |
| 16:48.51 | edoardo | i like these things, they make me feel like the server is actually doing something |
| 16:48.55 | julius_ | this is the default in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf: send host-name = gethostname(); but somehow it doesnt work on my system. if i explicitely set "send host-name = mostbeautifullhostnameever" dnsmasq assigns it that hostname...why wont gethostname() return something wrong? |
| 16:48.56 | GreeningGalaxy | A secure network: Inside a faraday cage, at the bottom of a bunker, guarded by the entire US military, on Venus, and switched off. |
| 16:49.48 | Tigerboy | Critically: must be switched off lol |
| 16:49.52 | GreeningGalaxy | yup |
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| 16:49.54 | pengown | I don't worry about my system being attacked as the likelyhood is me being the attacker not the other way around, and there's no data they could possibly get from it that I care about |
| 16:50.03 | pengown | Plus, I bite back |
| 16:50.22 | GreeningGalaxy | i'm less worried about them accessing my data and more worried about them making it hard for me to access my data. :I |
| 16:50.32 | Tigerboy | good that you monitor peng. |
| 16:50.46 | Tigerboy | ha |
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| 16:50.52 | pengown | Well yes if they sshed into me and rm -rf * / |
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| 16:51.01 | pengown | I'd be pretty angry |
| 16:51.17 | Tigerboy | that wouldn't be nice |
| 16:51.18 | pengown | most would be looking for a bank password though and wouldnt find one |
| 16:51.31 | pengown | or some kind of useful account |
| 16:51.43 | GreeningGalaxy | I had some botnet spamming my ssh. did some crash reading in ssh security methods, switched ports, disabled password login, and now I'm not getting bad logins anymore. :D |
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| 16:52.20 | krav | GreeningGalaxy: that just takes being on a world accessible IP. |
| 16:52.26 | Tigerboy | so many things send unencrypted emails with your info. Apple sends receipts full of private info for each apps store purchase over unencrypted emails |
| 16:52.29 | krav | botnets everywhere. |
| 16:52.47 | pengown | I really doubt anyone hates me enough with enough skills to bypass my several vpn systems anyway |
| 16:53.17 | pengown | So my firewall sends more traffic to me, not keeps some out :P |
| 16:53.19 | krav | i have 7 proxies |
| 16:53.25 | rozie | GreeningGalaxy: changing port solves the problem (annoyence) |
| 16:53.28 | Tigerboy | Pengown: how often to you recommend changing passwords and doing security checks |
| 16:53.34 | GreeningGalaxy | krav: well, my university hands those out like candy for some reason, so.... |
| 16:53.43 | pengown | I keep an eye on my logs always |
| 16:53.45 | rozie | GreeningGalaxy: take a look on http://www.blocklist.de |
| 16:53.54 | pengown | but i honestly rarely change password |
| 16:53.57 | krav | GreeningGalaxy: lots of universities have lots of addys to spend. mine had a class C |
| 16:54.00 | pengown | and am not that worried |
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| 16:54.19 | pengown | im the person who is attacking |
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| 16:55.29 | Tigerboy | is it ill-advised to use ubuntu repos to get some apps |
| 16:55.30 | pengown | if i didnt think some asshole would ruin my system id pass out my ssh password |
| 16:55.37 | babilen | Tigerboy: it is |
| 16:55.38 | pengown | and say please enjoy using this awesome machine |
| 16:55.57 | Tigerboy | thanks Babilen: |
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| 16:56.32 | arielsanflo | hello |
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| 16:57.36 | GreeningGalaxy | whoops, lol, looks like i forgot to fix sshd_config after i moved to debian |
| 16:57.43 | GreeningGalaxy | lastb is full of crap from china again |
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| 16:58.14 | pengown | ive poured my soul into making this machine awesome, id love to let people use all the hacking programs and resources and cool stuff I have collected and configured xD |
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| 16:58.37 | Tigerboy | sounds great pengown: |
| 16:58.52 | GreeningGalaxy | gotta run. later |
| 16:59.00 | pengown | anyway i dont worry about security |
| 16:59.03 | Tigerboy | TTFN GreeningGalaxy: |
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| 16:59.25 | Tigerboy | No point in worrying. Helps to have such a system though. |
| 16:59.37 | pengown | True :) |
| 17:00.28 | pengown | Just dont try to destroy mine, use it to have fun with it's wonderfully done :) |
| 17:01.00 | Tigerboy | maybe you can make your on distro one day pengown: |
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| 17:01.23 | pengown | Ha that'd be cool, I want to make a vagrant VM out of it :P |
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| 17:01.37 | Tigerboy | ha |
| 17:01.55 | pengown | Something that I can be like look what I've made HAVE FUN WITH IT |
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| 17:02.33 | Tigerboy | It would do well I'm certain. |
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| 17:03.54 | pengown | Anyhow theres people out there who would love to rm -rf * / to be assholes I doubt I'll find one that also is able to get through my vpn setups |
| 17:04.11 | pengown | they exist, doubt they care about me one bit |
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| 17:04.37 | Tigerboy | well you never know |
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| 17:04.55 | Tigerboy | it's one thing to spy another to go through the info |
| 17:05.11 | pengown | i guess i could really enrage someone but if i made them want to put in that much effort to not even get useful account info |
| 17:05.24 | pengown | i guess theyd destroy me in some way no matter what |
| 17:05.29 | Tigerboy | exactly |
| 17:05.31 | pengown | theyd have to really hate me |
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| 17:05.44 | Tigerboy | most people are good in the world |
| 17:05.55 | pengown | yep :P |
| 17:06.11 | pengown | if they hate me that much theyll get me in any way possible |
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| 17:06.36 | pengown | no use locking down protocols i need to use to hack with over it |
| 17:06.40 | Tigerboy | Then you have your default superman powers. |
| 17:07.04 | pengown | if i cant use port whatever i cant exploit it, lol |
| 17:07.18 | Tigerboy | yah |
| 17:07.29 | Tigerboy | just make sure you are the one using it is all |
| 17:07.40 | arielsanflo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.40 | arielsanflo | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 17:07.44 | pengown | I've yet to find a time where I wasn't |
| 17:07.47 | arielsanflo | error |
| 17:07.50 | arielsanflo | help |
| 17:07.56 | Tigerboy | I try to set up traps for them to fall into so I can figure out what they are trying to do |
| 17:07.57 | arielsanflo | please |
| 17:08.03 | pengown | There's gotta be more to that error |
| 17:08.08 | towo_nb | apt-get -f install |
| 17:08.25 | pengown | lulz |
| 17:08.31 | clearleapmatt | are you using it as rot |
| 17:08.37 | clearleapmatt | or running sudo for dpkg / apt-get? |
| 17:08.48 | pengown | ....root wouldnt cause that |
| 17:09.03 | arielsanflo | sudo ap-get install mysql-server |
| 17:09.07 | clearleapmatt | Sorry, was directing at @arielsanflo |
| 17:09.08 | pengown | Is there any other information than just the error code |
| 17:09.10 | arielsanflo | - error |
| 17:09.32 | greycat | arielsanflo: don't just keep spamming one word per line. Post the ENTIRE output of apt-get in a pastebin or something. |
| 17:09.41 | pengown | ^ |
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| 17:11.34 | arielsanflo | http://paste.debian.net/172121/ |
| 17:11.40 | arielsanflo | error |
| 17:11.48 | arielsanflo | install mysql-server |
| 17:11.53 | arielsanflo | help |
| 17:12.08 | greycat | Stop SPAMMING. |
| 17:12.10 | arielsanflo | please |
| 17:12.14 | pengown | thats in spanish lol |
| 17:12.19 | pengown | i have no idea |
| 17:12.45 | pengown | guess ill google translate |
| 17:12.51 | greycat | I'm translating it as "The following packages have incomplete dependencies: mysql-server : Depends mysql-server-5.5 but it is not going to be installed" |
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| 17:13.50 | greycat | If "apt-get -f install" doesn't fix it, re-run it as "LC_ALL=C apt-get install mysql" so we can see it in English. |
| 17:14.02 | arielsanflo | in english |
| 17:14.04 | arielsanflo | http://paste.debian.net/172122/ |
| 17:14.28 | greycat | Did you run "apt-get -f install" yet? |
| 17:15.00 | pengown | Not much information there, it might be possible to fix by editing your dpkg |
| 17:16.04 | arielsanflo | http://paste.debian.net/172124/ |
| 17:16.12 | arielsanflo | two comman |
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| 17:16.58 | valdyn | pretty nice that it refuses to downgrade by default |
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| 17:17.05 | jordanm | anapivirtua: you have files in /var/lib/mysql from a newer version of mysql and mysql doesn't support downgrading |
| 17:17.59 | jordanm | according to the error message you can force it with rm /var/lib/mysql/debian-*.flag |
| 17:18.31 | greycat | At this point, I'm not touching it... it sounds like he/she has some non-Debian packages, or experimental packages. |
| 17:18.42 | greycat | ,v mysql-server |
| 17:18.44 | judd | Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.1.73-1; squeeze: 5.1.73-1; squeeze-security-lts: 5.1.73-1+deb6u1; wheezy: 5.5.40-0+wheezy1; sid: 5.5.42-1; jessie: 5.5.42-1; stretch: 5.5.42-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.5.43-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.43-0+deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.43-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.43-0+deb8u1 |
| 17:19.01 | pengown | Thats what I was gonna ask |
| 17:19.09 | pengown | Edited sources didn't you |
| 17:19.11 | pengown | :P |
| 17:20.08 | valdyn | ,v mysql-server-5.6 |
| 17:20.09 | judd | Package: mysql-server-5.6 on amd64 -- experimental: 5.6.19-1~exp1 |
| 17:20.40 | pengown | sounds like when i added dumb sources when I first got linux and it broke like that |
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| 17:20.52 | pengown | learned lesson am very picky with sources |
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| 17:21.43 | pengown | not had dpkg break since honestly |
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| 17:22.02 | pengown | I know you could fix sources and manually edit your dpkg |
| 17:22.11 | pengown | until hopefully you fix it |
| 17:22.26 | greycat | I don't know what the real situation is. Maybe purging mysql and starting over is best. |
| 17:23.10 | pengown | If its the same as when mine broke from bad sources no that wont fix it |
| 17:23.18 | pengown | itll keep returning error codes |
| 17:23.39 | pengown | unless you go manually edit dpkg info until you HOPE you get dependencies right |
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| 17:23.48 | pengown | for correct source list |
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| 17:24.06 | MrJones | hi |
| 17:24.21 | jordanm | pengown: dpkg package state is not his issue |
| 17:24.40 | pengown | thats all I can think of... |
| 17:24.54 | MrJones | we got a BCM5708 broadcom ethernet card in a machine and we installed the firmware-bxn2 package but the only network adapter listed after a reboot is still "lo". would we need to install anything else on a minimal debian 8 install to get the network adapter to work? |
| 17:25.01 | pengown | I've never seen dpkg issues like that be fixed without reinstall honestly |
| 17:25.08 | jordanm | pengown: it says the problem in the error message |
| 17:25.21 | valdyn | arielsanflo: if you dont mind getting rid of the data stored in mysql, then you dont have a serious problem, just "apt-get remove --purge mysql-common" and reinstall the whole thing |
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| 17:25.37 | pengown | yes I see the issue |
| 17:25.51 | greycat | But while you're at it, fix your sources.list so it's not pointing to experimental or non-debian sources. |
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| 17:27.33 | pengown | I got stuck with broken dpkg i reinstalled learned lesson |
| 17:28.01 | pengown | I've seen this happen to my friend |
| 17:28.03 | arielsanflo | drop mysql |
| 17:28.08 | arielsanflo | complet |
| 17:28.08 | pengown | he never fixed it either |
| 17:28.15 | pengown | So meh, wish I could help more |
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| 17:32.54 | sml | hi |
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| 17:39.53 | vook | this is weird, evince doesn't load with any window manager controls, can't be resized etc. All other programs are fine. |
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| 17:40.22 | MrJones | guys we have a BCM5703 network adapter and it doesn't work... apparently tg3 is supposed to handle this in jessie |
| 17:40.28 | MrJones | but the kernel module isn't even loaded at boot |
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| 17:40.56 | MrJones | the firmware-bxn2 thing causes some dmesg entries listing the discovered network card, but it doesn't seem to be used by the system beyond that |
| 17:41.02 | MrJones | no listing in ifconfig or anything |
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| 17:41.15 | MrJones | is there any obvious course of action to enable the tg3 driver properly? |
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| 17:42.35 | anddam | I did a netinstall and ended up with a systemd system, I have one of the old-format (not sure how it's called) script that went in init.d. Can I still put that in /etc/init.d and just start stop the service with the command 'service'? |
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| 17:42.55 | anddam | if no is the migration to sysvinit painless? |
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| 17:43.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | that sounds like a bug. |
| 17:43.51 | vook | anddam: in the long run, it's arguably worth it just to learn how to use systemd. |
| 17:43.53 | greycat | If you place a script in /etc/init.d on jessie with systemd, it won't run at boot time (AFAIK), but you can still run it by hand. |
| 17:44.19 | MrJones | oh works now, but we had t omanually install it to the networking config .. |
| 17:44.21 | MrJones | heh |
| 17:44.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | and you don't know where this init script came from? |
| 17:44.31 | anddam | NoImNotNineVolt: me? |
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| 17:44.59 | anddam | NoImNotNineVolt: I sure do, I wrote it following docs/factoids, it's a custom script for starting a program I wrote |
| 17:45.26 | greycat | setting up a systemd service for a normal runs-in-the-foreground program should be easy enough |
| 17:45.37 | anddam | it's not foreground |
| 17:46.01 | greycat | Can you fix that? |
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| 17:46.21 | anddam | and what's the error to fix? |
| 17:46.42 | jelly | anddam: yes, init scripts still work. you may have to enable the service. |
| 17:46.55 | anddam | like update-rc.d? |
| 17:47.07 | jelly | anddam: make sure it has sensible LSB headers and dependencies |
| 17:47.09 | greycat | Programs that background-launch themselves are crap from the 1980s and we're moving away from that. FINALLY. |
| 17:47.10 | icebrian | hello all... have a problem, may-be someone can point me in right direction. I want to use "aptly" to create a custom Debian repo for my client machines. These client machines will only have access to the custom debian repo (no internet or external access). Now, I want to have one custom aptly repo in each geographic zone and I want to make sure each client machine uses that closest repo/mirror but the Debian image/installation in every client has to b |
| 17:47.10 | icebrian | e the same. Anyone have any thing they might suggest I look into? |
| 17:47.29 | anddam | jelly: ah that's the word I couldn't recall, it is LSB compliant |
| 17:47.29 | teraflop | anddam: you also can call scripts from systemd units |
| 17:48.08 | anddam | teraflop: but that would require a unit, that I don't know or know how to write |
| 17:48.21 | anddam | while I know how to do a init script |
| 17:48.24 | keltim | greycat, amex |
| 17:48.29 | keltim | amen* |
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| 17:49.01 | greycat | Some of us have been using daemontools, runit, etc. for many years now. Self-backgrounding daemons are the spawn of evil. They can't be managed. |
| 17:49.03 | keltim | likes systemd so far, at least as implemented in jessie |
| 17:49.09 | icebrian | also, on another note, if I in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/customrepo.list specify the same repo twice but in diferent locations (FQDN/IP is diferent) which repository is used, the first one that matches/works or some other way? |
| 17:49.13 | keltim | greycat, I agree |
| 17:49.16 | teraflop | anddam: sounds ok, anyway units are so simple (in general) |
| 17:49.33 | jelly | anddam: not sure about update-rc.d, but "systemctl enable basename-of-init-script" ought to work |
| 17:49.41 | greycat | a daemontools unit-thing is a lot more lines of gunk than a daemontools run script, but still not terrible |
| 17:50.10 | oo_miguel | should I everytime close my browser and applications running inside terminals, before quitting my window manager (which is xmonad in my case) ? Or will they be closed properly automatically? |
| 17:50.34 | anddam | greycat: idk daemontools but I'm using start-stop-daemon |
| 17:50.42 | greycat | I like to close each program cleanly, but I don't log out very often. |
| 17:50.46 | anddam | now I see what you meant, the program doesn't fork on its own, it's foreground |
| 17:50.52 | greycat | anddam: start-stop-daemon is horrible. I'm sorry. |
| 17:50.52 | teraflop | s/so/quite |
| 17:51.01 | oo_miguel | greycat: I log out daily |
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| 17:51.08 | anddam | that's what I found in other init scripts back then |
| 17:51.14 | oo_miguel | and close each programm manually |
| 17:51.20 | bs4h | oo_miguel: your apps will suddenly lose connection to the X server which some app may tolerate and some not, usually nothing bad would happen |
| 17:51.36 | bs4h | +1 for daemontools |
| 17:51.41 | jelly | oo_miguel: I Control-Alt-Backspace and let the apps sort themselves out! |
| 17:51.45 | anddam | !daemontools |
| 17:51.45 | dpkg | daemontools is a suite of programs for managing Unix services, not to be confused with <DAEMON Tools>. Previously <non-free>, included in main as of version 1:0.76-1. http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html |
| 17:51.58 | bs4h | I actually use daemontools to run my desktop session |
| 17:52.02 | oo_miguel | bs4h: jelly: what will happen to an app running inside an xterm? |
| 17:52.12 | jelly | oo_miguel: it gets a HUP signal |
| 17:52.15 | oo_miguel | will it receive some signal |
| 17:52.15 | oo_miguel | ook |
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| 17:52.28 | oo_miguel | so most of the apps should know how to deal with that I guess |
| 17:52.53 | jelly | oo_miguel: gnome tools are notoriously bad at closing and dying properly, but most other apps die nicely |
| 17:53.00 | anddam | do terminal emulator "bypass" X events somehow? I have Option "ButtonMapping" "1 2 3 5 4" in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf |
| 17:53.28 | anddam | and the X app have "natural scrolling" but then I see the weechat scroll behaving the opposite |
| 17:53.35 | oo_miguel | jelly: ok thanks. I do not use many "gnome tools" (if any at all. not completely sure) |
| 17:53.39 | teraflop | hhhm talking about units I have to make one for mediagoblin |
| 17:53.48 | anddam | where "the opposite" is normal |
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| 17:54.31 | bs4h | anddam: what terminal emulator are you using? |
| 17:54.34 | anddam | in xev I see button 5 is wheel up and button 4 is wheel down |
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| 17:54.39 | anddam | bs4h: gnome-terminal |
| 17:55.23 | bs4h | how does urxvt or xterm react? |
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| 18:01.39 | anddam | bs4h: urxvt correctly |
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| 18:04.40 | bs4h | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1091646#p1091646 seems like a gnome problem, apps bypass X and go directly to the touchpad... |
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| 18:05.49 | bs4h | there's a solution in the thread too - change VertScrollDelta and HorizScrollDelta to negative in the synaptics driver |
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| 18:08.34 | anddam | or toss gnome-terminal and use urxvt for x-www-terminal |
| 18:08.54 | anddam | thanks, I was curious about how an X app was bypassing X |
| 18:09.13 | Wegge | SynrG, I was away for a bit, but looking at the system log + the systemctl status clamav-daemon I did underway, it was systemd doing the restart. |
| 18:09.46 | anddam | since we're talking terminal, here's the reason why I didn't pick urxvt: unlike lxterminal and gnome-terminal I cannot click on http links (or possibly other known protocols) |
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| 18:10.14 | anddam | is there a way to click/ctrl-click/shift-click an URL like the one bs4h pasted in urxvt and have the default browser open it? |
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| 18:11.48 | bs4h | anddam: maybe you can hack something together with xsel ;) love urxvt over everything else, it's the only te that does the sane thing when the window is resized |
| 18:12.08 | bs4h | (some apps happily re-break it though) |
| 18:12.31 | anddam | bs4h: that is? |
| 18:12.34 | anddam | text rewrapping? |
| 18:12.41 | bs4h | yep! |
| 18:12.56 | anddam | very good, I grew to love that feature in OSX |
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| 18:13.42 | bs4h | re clickable links: AFAIK urxvt can be scripted with perl, never tried that tho |
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| 18:17.19 | nkuttler | bs4h: yes it can |
| 18:17.46 | nkuttler | i stopped using it though, really dislike not being able to highlight/copy |
| 18:19.58 | bs4h | urxvt? highlight works great for me, same for copy paste (C-M-c, C-M-v) |
| 18:20.45 | nkuttler | yeah, but you can't click to highlight once you make urls clickable |
| 18:20.53 | nkuttler | at least not without opening |
| 18:21.51 | teraflop | o yes I remember that |
| 18:22.30 | anddam | ok, almost all done, I need that one old-LSB-init-script-start-at-boot-in-systemd bit and I'm all set |
| 18:22.31 | bs4h | hm, bind a key to x-www-browser `xsel -o` ? highlight, hit a key |
| 18:22.35 | anddam | I'll check afterdinner |
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| 18:23.00 | anddam | nkuttler: ah so that's not just me |
| 18:23.07 | anddam | nkuttler: with what did you replace it? |
| 18:23.20 | nkuttler | anddam: nothing |
| 18:23.38 | nkuttler | i don't really need clickable links in my terminal |
| 18:23.49 | nkuttler | i thought it would be fun, but it was more of a nuisance |
| 18:24.04 | anddam | ? |
| 18:24.12 | greycat | I just double-click to highlight, then move the pointer to a browser, Ctrl-t to open a new tab, middle-click to paste. |
| 18:24.30 | nkuttler | greycat: that's what i do as well |
| 18:24.34 | anddam | oh you stopped using *the script* |
| 18:24.36 | greycat | Right hand on the mouse, left hand to hit Ctrl-t, takes about half a second. |
| 18:24.38 | anddam | not urxvt |
| 18:24.41 | anddam | ok |
| 18:24.45 | nkuttler | anddam: sure :D |
| 18:24.46 | anddam | here urxvt doesn't copy/paste |
| 18:25.00 | anddam | not middle click, not ctrl-c ctrl-shift-c or anything |
| 18:25.04 | anddam | paste the same |
| 18:25.09 | nkuttler | anddam: that doesn't sound right |
| 18:25.10 | anddam | back in 20 minuts |
| 18:25.13 | anddam | nkuttler: eh tell me |
| 18:25.36 | anddam | this is jessie fromlxde install disc |
| 18:25.46 | teraflop | anddam: you can do all of that with a little searching on the perl modules I think |
| 18:26.07 | nkuttler | i need to configure vim to feed into the clipboard when ssh'd into a box as well, now that i've enabled mouse clicks in it |
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| 18:49.46 | nullbyte_ | impressed jessie is an awesome universal system very stable! |
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| 18:51.07 | john___ | is there a way in preseeding to have partman work with 2 disks? |
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| 18:51.54 | john___ | I basically want to have swap live on a 2nd disk, but so far, the only way I have found is to ignore the swap warning and use a late executed command line |
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| 18:51.59 | Mister | Hi John |
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| 19:00.03 | jean_brat | hi guys.. i have dell latitude E4200, i cant get my wireless working even after installation of iwlwifi |
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| 19:00.46 | jean_brat | Intel® WiFi Link 5100 [802.11a/g/n (1x2)] |
| 19:00.46 | jean_brat | Intel® WiFi Link 5300 [802.11a/g/n (3x3)] |
| 19:00.57 | jean_brat | as per spec.. so i don need a legacy driver |
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| 19:04.00 | Andril | hello |
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| 19:07.57 | trampel | stupid question: what is the advantage of the udisk(2) package, given "udisksctl mount -b /dev/sdb1" vs (good 'ol) "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt" ? |
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| 19:11.17 | Andril | would this machine be good with Debian Asus G46VW |
| 19:11.40 | bazhang | what specs |
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| 19:13.49 | maurer | Anyone happen to know how to convince gnome to make alt tab cycle between windows instead of "activities" |
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| 19:14.06 | maurer | The majority of my windows are terminals, and it's super awkward when it doesn't want to tab to them |
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| 19:14.10 | GreeningGalaxy | hrm |
| 19:14.24 | GreeningGalaxy | I think there might be an extension for that? |
| 19:14.26 | Doyle | Hey. I'm running Debian Wheezy with a wifi connection, but the routes keep clearing every few mintues. route shows no info when there's no connectivity. |
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| 19:14.47 | GreeningGalaxy | maurer: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/15/alternatetab/ |
| 19:14.54 | Doyle | The IP address is being maintained, and the issue persists whether it's assigned via DHCP or manually configured using the network manager gui. |
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| 19:15.22 | Doyle | I can't find any info in the logs. |
| 19:15.57 | Doyle | Anyone have any ideas for me?\ |
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| 19:16.18 | GreeningGalaxy | It's a little over my head, sorry. What's it mean when the routes are clearing? |
| 19:16.19 | maurer | GreeningGalaxy: That worked, and was surprisinly seamless. I guess gnome has gotten a little nicer than it used to be |
| 19:16.29 | GreeningGalaxy | maurer: yeah, extensions are great |
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| 19:16.59 | GreeningGalaxy | I'm still pretty disillusioned with all the lack of settable options GNOME has these days, so I'm using xfce. but that extensions thing is nifty as hell |
| 19:17.02 | maurer | Doyle: Is the wifi connection cycling at the same time that the routes are dropping? |
| 19:17.08 | Doyle | When I loose connectivity, the IP is in place, but when i run 'route' it shows an empty table |
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| 19:17.21 | Doyle | When I have connectivity, route shows the expectd output |
| 19:17.21 | maurer | Doyle: |
| 19:17.35 | maurer | Doyle: Do you have any other interfaces on the system? |
| 19:17.43 | Doyle | eth0 |
| 19:17.51 | maurer | Is eth0 plugged in/dhcping? |
| 19:17.57 | Doyle | unplugged |
| 19:18.00 | maurer | Hrm, nfvm |
| 19:18.16 | maurer | I was thinking maybe network mangler was trying to swap to wired, then finding the routes broken, and swapping back |
| 19:18.18 | Doyle | let's try it |
| 19:18.22 | Andril | bazhang Intel Core i5 3210M - 2.5 GHz (Turbo Boost to 3.1 GHz) |
| 19:18.22 | Andril | - 8GB DDR3 RAM |
| 19:18.22 | Andril | - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660M - 2GB GDDR5 |
| 19:18.22 | Andril | - 750GB 5400 RPM HDD |
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| 19:18.32 | trampel | Doyle: make sure that you have one, and only one, network manager (possibly "Networkmanager") running. two (or more) can give you fits. |
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| 19:18.59 | GreeningGalaxy | holy netsplit |
| 19:19.01 | Andril | wow |
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| 19:19.29 | GreeningGalaxy | *poof* |
| 19:19.43 | Doyle | I have 2 processes with 'net' in them. /usr/sbin/NetworkManager and gnome-control-center network |
| 19:19.49 | Doyle | are they unrelated? |
| 19:20.04 | GreeningGalaxy | um, I think so. |
| 19:20.06 | Twinkletoes | I'm running into permission problems using sshfs to mount remote filesystems. for NFS to work with user permissions, I assume the UIDs/GIDs have to be the same across all servers/clients? |
| 19:20.15 | trampel | huh. |
| 19:20.21 | trampel | they're 'back' now. |
| 19:20.23 | KM0201 | yeah |
| 19:20.26 | KM0201 | they'll auto-rejoin |
| 19:20.28 | KM0201 | lol |
| 19:20.32 | greycat | NFS and sshfs have nothing in common |
| 19:20.34 | Doyle | This is why I like running headless servers... no odd gui things messing me up. |
| 19:20.34 | KM0201 | it's quite a show in busy channels |
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| 19:20.44 | GreeningGalaxy | yeah |
| 19:20.57 | Twinkletoes | If I have to use Samba to control permission based on user credentials, what's the minimum setup I need? ie. I donm't want any Windows junk in there |
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| 19:21.05 | GreeningGalaxy | it used to happen every time you blinked on espernet, but its gotten better |
| 19:21.15 | greycat | Samba and NFS and sshfs have nothing in common. Pick a question.... |
| 19:22.30 | KM0201 | Twinkletoes: is your server debian based? (wheezy?) |
| 19:22.39 | Twinkletoes | KM0201: Jessie |
| 19:22.44 | KM0201 | ah ok |
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| 19:23.07 | KM0201 | you should look at OMV.. it's based on Wheezy, but it makes user management, etc.. pretty easy |
| 19:23.16 | KM0201 | (think of it as the debian version of freenas) |
| 19:23.19 | Twinkletoes | KM0201: The problem I'm having specifically is that when a user logs in to ProFTPd, it can't access the mounted dir as that user because root moutned it using sshfs |
| 19:23.29 | Twinkletoes | KM0201: OK, let me look at that |
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| 19:23.57 | greycat | sshfs is a personal mount. It just lets YOU, the person running sshfs, see stuff with YOUR privileges on the remote server. It's not intended for multiuser stuff to replace NFS. |
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| 19:24.48 | maurer | greycat: Out of curiosity, has anyone made any progress on making a more modern AFS? Or maybe NFSv5 will have cleaner leases? |
| 19:24.49 | Twinkletoes | greycat: With NFS, do I have to make sure the UIds/GIDs are sync'd across platforms? |
| 19:24.56 | greycat | You should. |
| 19:25.15 | maurer | Twinkletoes: idmapd + ldap is the usual answer |
| 19:25.29 | anddam | !systemd |
| 19:25.29 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>. |
| 19:25.37 | greycat | No, NIS is the usual answer. |
| 19:25.39 | bazhang | Andril, super match for debian |
| 19:25.41 | maurer | Twinkletoes: unless you only have like, two people, and then you can just make /etc/passwd the same |
| 19:25.47 | maurer | greycat: Wait, NIS still exists? |
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| 19:25.52 | greycat | NFS and NIS were developed by the same people at the same time |
| 19:25.59 | Twinkletoes | maurer: I'll have up to 20 - coming and going sometimes |
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| 19:26.17 | maurer | Twinkletoes: well, evidently greycat disagrees, but I've used ldap/krb/idmapd/nfs for that |
| 19:26.46 | greycat | I'm not saying that your stuff (whatever it is) is wrong, just that it's not the usual answer. |
| 19:27.01 | Doyle | Do changes to the routing table get logged anywhere? |
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| 19:27.13 | Andril | thanks bazhang |
| 19:27.24 | maurer | greycat: I'm honestly surprised that NIS is still installed on new systems. My understanding was that it was on its way out when I first heard about it back in 2007 or so |
| 19:27.57 | greycat | It may not be a common choice for new *networks*... but there are plenty of us using old networks with legacy Unix systems on them. |
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| 19:29.07 | anddam | my custom units goes in /etc/systemd/system, right? |
| 19:29.17 | greycat | yes |
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| 19:29.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | i thought it went in /lib/systemd/system/ |
| 19:29.40 | anddam | what does "compatible with LSB init script" exactly mean? |
| 19:29.53 | anddam | NoImNotNineVolt: that's for system's units AFAICT |
| 19:30.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | system's unit? |
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| 19:30.28 | maurer | Twinkletoes: I guess another thing to consider if you're doing a new 20 user NFS deployment system is whether the NFS is ever going over an untrusted network |
| 19:30.29 | anddam | yea, now that I read it it doesn't make much sense for me either |
| 19:30.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | anddam: https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 19:30.45 | Twinkletoes | maurer: No, all internal |
| 19:30.45 | anddam | damn copy/paste urxvt thing |
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| 19:31.10 | anddam | NoImNotNineVolt: ahhhh that's it |
| 19:31.24 | anddam | NoImNotNineVolt: now I misread |
| 19:31.36 | maurer | Twinkletoes: OK, then you still have most of your degrees of freedom (Actual NFS authentication/encryption requires krb, otherwise it's all IP and turst based) |
| 19:31.37 | anddam | I thought it was "creating a unit from LSB init script" |
| 19:31.39 | maurer | *trust |
| 19:32.03 | jhutchins | Twinkletoes: There is a mechanism in NFS2 that handles user mapping. Not sure of the details. |
| 19:32.15 | Twinkletoes | jhutchins: ta ;) |
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| 19:33.00 | jhutchins | The user mapping is one of the reasons that a lot of *NIX systems use CIFS. |
| 19:33.20 | NoImNotNineVolt | that being said, i've been putting all my unit definition files in /lib/systemd/system/; is that wrong? |
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| 19:34.46 | NoImNotNineVolt | "When you are installing a systemd service file alongside of your SysV init script, you should name it correspondingly. E.g. for /etc/init.d/apache2 the corresponding service file should be named /lib/systemd/system/apache2.service." |
| 19:34.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | https://wiki.debian.org/systemd/Packaging |
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| 19:35.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | so indeed, it seems they do go under /lib/ |
| 19:35.18 | greycat | see where it says "Packaging"? that's for people writing Debian packages. |
| 19:35.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | so other installation mechanisms should have their unit files installed elsewhere? |
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| 19:36.09 | anddam | that I meant for "system's unit" unit shipped with a debian package rather than added by the admin on a specific install |
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| 19:36.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | i see. well, i package up all my stuff in debs for ease of installation (though i don't submit these to the debian repos). in this case, where should the unit files go? |
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| 19:37.12 | greycat | Since you're making up your own rules, wherever your made-up rules say they go. |
| 19:37.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm following debian policy where possible. |
| 19:37.55 | greycat | If your made-up rules treat you as a debian-derived-distro-maker then I guess /lib makes sense for your NoImNotDebian system. |
| 19:38.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | so you're saying that software development inherently turns debian into a frankendebian? |
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| 19:38.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | (if said software development results in the creation of .deb packages) |
| 19:38.57 | greycat | No, I'm saying that you are treating system administration as a forking of the whole OS. |
| 19:39.09 | greycat | You're doing things in a very complex way. |
| 19:39.34 | greycat | In a normal sys admin approach, you'd just put a file in /etc and be done with it. |
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| 19:39.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | i find the packaging system to be a great way of versioning for binaries. is this incorrect? |
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| 19:39.58 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: I don't believe you are. |
| 19:39.59 | greycat | See, you're not acting like a sysadmin. You're acting like a software gendor. |
| 19:40.05 | greycat | vendor* |
| 19:40.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm a software developer. |
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| 19:40.36 | jhutchins | Usually incompatible with being an admin, devops to the contrary. |
| 19:40.53 | abrotman | Admins can sometimes be good developers, developers are rarely good admins |
| 19:41.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm not sure where i suggested that i was an admin, but let me correct that. i'm not an admin. |
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| 19:41.30 | abrotman | Just commenting :) |
| 19:41.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | regardless, policy should be independent of an individual's role. |
| 19:41.44 | greycat | Policy guides the Debian developers, not the Debian users. |
| 19:42.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | again, i'm a software developer. my target platform is debian. |
| 19:42.24 | greycat | Debian USERS should put their local configs in /etc. And their local applications in /usr/local or /opt. |
| 19:43.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | why would a USER (that isn't a developer) need to create a systemd service file? |
| 19:43.14 | greycat | Because he installed a thing and he wants to make it go. |
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| 19:43.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | wouldn't that constitute development? although i suppose at this point we're arguing semantics. my apologies. |
| 19:43.53 | greycat | If you install a thing that's not packaged as a .deb and you want to make it go, then this is a normal sysadmin task. |
| 19:44.04 | jhutchins | I think we're muddling users with owner/administrators here. |
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| 19:45.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | not being an admin, that's news to me. i was under the impression that things that users install are 'complete' to the extent that they have their own init scripts or systemd service files or whatever else might be required for typical operations. |
| 19:46.30 | greycat | If the linux universe ever consolidates on a single init system long enough for everyone to be using the same init system at the same time for a long time, maybe that will happen. |
| 19:46.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | :) |
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| 19:53.03 | jhutchins | Wait, wasn't that sysV? |
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| 19:54.01 | abrotman | no |
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| 19:55.44 | anddam | is multi-user.target the equivalent target of sysVinit default runlevel? |
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| 19:59.02 | caioau | Hello from Brazil, i just installed jessie on a computer with ssd. I enabled discard and noatime options on fstab (root partition) , is that enough? Do I have to run fstrim on cron? |
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| 20:01.24 | anddam | this is the bit where I'd really need a hint, I have this in the LSB script |
| 20:01.27 | anddam | start-stop-daemon --start --background --pidfile "$PIDFILE" --make-pidfile --user "$DAEMON_UID" --chuid "$DAEMON_UID" --startas "$DAEMON" |
| 20:01.51 | anddam | the --user becomes a nice User= entry in the unit's Service section |
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| 20:02.17 | anddam | and so --pidfile with PIDFile I guess |
| 20:02.24 | greycat | you don't need PID files with systemd |
| 20:02.38 | greycat | almost all of that s-s-d crap goes away completely |
| 20:03.17 | anddam | greycat: honestly I don't know sh*t about this so any hint to close this thing is _very_ welcome |
| 20:03.47 | anddam | I don't need pidfile, meaning systemd will do its magic? |
| 20:03.51 | greycat | http://wooledge.org/~greg/bar |
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| 20:05.55 | anddam | ok but is daemontools a package I have to install or is that a template I should edit? |
| 20:06.09 | greycat | daemontools is the thing I wanted to run at boot time |
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| 20:06.09 | anddam | I see the /command/svscanboot part |
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| 20:06.34 | anddam | in my case the command is a python script |
| 20:06.57 | hackman127 | Ok, so here's one. Installing wheezy on a remote box (same from yesterday, if anyone remembers that), and the installer thinks an internal USB drive is the root device, and tries to install grub on it. How do I get around that without booking a flight to visit the server? |
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| 20:10.35 | anddam | greycat: ok I'm astonished but the service started |
| 20:10.43 | anddam | greycat: now rebooting to see if starts at boot |
| 20:10.56 | anddam | actually the unit files seems *way* better than init scripts |
| 20:10.58 | greycat | you may need to do "systemctl enable foobar.service" or something |
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| 20:11.02 | anddam | I did already |
| 20:11.07 | anddam | and then started it |
| 20:11.13 | anddam | to check it was running |
| 20:11.55 | anddam | I setup samba on the debian system, how do I check if the "samba name" of the machine is correctly resolved? |
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| 20:12.06 | anddam | I'm on a debian host without samba |
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| 20:12.18 | anddam | the machine on which I installed samba is a different debian (actually a vm) |
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| 20:12.46 | anddam | I don't even know how that kind of name resolution is called, I think it's windows' networking thing |
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| 20:15.16 | greycat | If Windows systems are having trouble finding your Samba host, I'd ask in #samba instead. |
| 20:15.39 | anddam | oh sure, I don't know if they are having problems since I don't have a windows system handy |
| 20:16.20 | anddam | ah I wanted to check if "netbios name" was correctly resolved |
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| 20:23.05 | anddam | nmblookup in samba-common-bin |
| 20:23.07 | anddam | and working as well |
| 20:23.43 | acz32 | with systemd, should we stop using shutdown -h and use systemctl poweroff instead? |
| 20:24.23 | anddam | I just installed samba-common-bin and that pulled python-ldb{a} python-ntdb{a} python-samba{a} python-tdb{a} samba-common{a} samba-common-bin |
| 20:25.08 | anddam | I used "aptitude install samba-common-bin", now I do "aptitude purge samba-common-bin" and I expected all the packages to go but aptitude is only going to remove samba-common-bin |
| 20:25.09 | anddam | why is that? |
| 20:25.21 | jhutchins | anddam: WINS |
| 20:25.33 | jhutchins | anddam: Windows Internet Naming Service |
| 20:25.37 | anddam | ah ok |
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| 20:25.47 | anddam | I tested what I had to with nmblookup |
| 20:25.58 | anddam | but the apt dependency thing bugs me |
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| 20:26.33 | anddam | I mean those were actually installed due to samba-common-bin, why after two minutes they aren't automatically removed? |
| 20:26.35 | blackpenguin | anddam: "apt-get autoremove" should remove the deps not needed anymore |
| 20:26.57 | mdim | hi folks |
| 20:27.28 | mdim | does anyone use Docker, the thing for virtualization? At their website at https://docs.docker.com/installation/debian/ they claim it is available from jessie-backports, but I don't see it there |
| 20:27.35 | anddam | blackpenguin: did just nothing |
| 20:27.40 | greycat | the debian package name for it is docker.io |
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| 20:27.55 | greycat | docker was already in use for a desktop taskbar thingy |
| 20:28.00 | anddam | blackpenguin: I ran "aptitude uninstall samba-common-bin" then "apt-get autoremove" |
| 20:28.00 | mdim | greycat: yeah, I heard, except that, again, I don't see it in repos |
| 20:28.06 | greycat | ,v docker.io |
| 20:28.07 | judd | Package: docker.io on amd64 -- experimental: 1.6.0+dfsg1-1~exp1; sid: 1.6.0+dfsg1-1 |
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| 20:28.28 | mdim | greycat: experimental. There you go, that's what I wanted to know |
| 20:28.36 | greycat | It also says sid! Which is new.... |
| 20:28.54 | mdim | greycat: I was hoping to find a package for Jessie |
| 20:29.01 | Wegge | How do I comment on an existing bug? I have a solution that "Works for me(TM)" for https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=775112 but I'm not sure how to make a comment. |
| 20:29.02 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/775112 in clamav-daemon (open): «systemd: repeatedly tries to start clamav»; severity: important; opened: 2015-01-11; last modified: 2015-01-15. |
| 20:29.20 | greycat | Wegge: send email to 775112@bugs.debian.org |
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| 20:29.39 | Wegge | greycat, Can I attach a patch to the mail? |
| 20:29.41 | jordanm | mdim: IIRC from the list the last upload to backports failed, I think they were waiting on a migration to testing or something |
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| 20:30.12 | greycat | Wegge: I guess you can... |
| 20:30.16 | mdim | jordanm: I see that in the documentation they reference this: https://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2015/03/msg00685.html |
| 20:30.17 | jordanm | !tell mdim about ssb |
| 20:30.33 | jhutchins | Wegge: Since the patch is just text, you can include the text in the comment. |
| 20:30.51 | jhutchins | Wegge: That's a great thing to do btw, thanks! |
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| 20:31.12 | mdim | jordanm: thanks for the hint! I'll try to compile it from sources |
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| 20:31.15 | greycat | some people prefer separate attachments for patches, to help prevent mail systems mangling them |
| 20:31.25 | greycat | I don't know what the @bugs.debian.org policies are |
| 20:31.29 | Wegge | In this case, it should be reasonably safr. |
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| 20:32.11 | Wegge | It's the addition of two lines, that are already present in a systemd .service fil, but should be in the .socket unit instead. |
| 20:32.19 | Wegge | So I'll risk the mangling |
| 20:32.36 | jrtappers | Is there anything special about ports 554 and 7070? |
| 20:32.52 | greycat | any port below 1024 can only be opened for listening by root |
| 20:33.05 | greycat | other than that, nothing that I'm aware of |
| 20:33.05 | jrtappers | Cause I have iptables setup, they aren't listed... and iptables has no entry |
| 20:33.24 | jrtappers | *second iptables is meant to be netstat |
| 20:33.36 | jrtappers | Yet an nmap scan shows them open |
| 20:34.00 | valdyn | jrtappers: that means that nmap is scanning something else |
| 20:34.05 | greycat | If your iptables entry prevents the probes getting a "connection refused".... |
| 20:34.15 | jhutchins | jrtappers: 554 is RTSP streaming for real player |
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| 20:34.47 | jhutchins | jrtappers: Is nmap scanning the host directly or is it seeing a router/firewall? |
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| 20:35.30 | jrtappers | jhutchins, outside the network of the server, I am helping someone with a new server and thought I should probably check mine aswell |
| 20:36.02 | jrtappers | But port 999 (random port) would have the same listing, so if 554 is open by dropping then 999 should be too |
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| 20:36.12 | jhutchins | jrtappers: 7070 is Real and several other audio services: http://www.speedguide.net/port.php?port=7070 |
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| 20:36.28 | jhutchins | jrtappers: Very common to see those open on routers. |
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| 20:36.47 | jhutchins | jrtappers: You can scan localhost from the host in question and they probably aren't there. |
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| 20:37.21 | jrtappers | jhutchins, So why do they appear open (and just those 2) |
| 20:37.32 | valdyn | jrtappers: you are scanning something else |
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| 20:37.32 | jhutchins | jrtappers: I think it has to do with how some routers handle the streaming traffic so users don't have to mess with it. |
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| 20:37.54 | jrtappers | valdyn, Probably not, the SSL cert for port 443 is the right one |
| 20:38.05 | jhutchins | jrtappers: http://serverfault.com/questions/330571/nmap-on-my-webserver-shows-tcp-ports-554-and-7070-open |
| 20:38.05 | valdyn | nmap is a bad diagnostic tool *unless* the hosts are friendly to it |
| 20:38.12 | valdyn | *unless* you really know how to use it |
| 20:38.34 | Doyle | nmap is still better than ping |
| 20:38.55 | Doyle | ICMP traf is blocked by default on windows servers |
| 20:38.56 | jrtappers | I'm just trying to work out what is happening, I wonder, would traceroute help... See if port 554 dies early |
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| 20:39.05 | jhutchins | jrtappers: The router is all you see from outside. Any passthrough on the router is entirely internal, but can affect how the port shows in nmap (filtered, open, etc.) |
| 20:39.25 | jhutchins | jrtappers: Dude, they are open ports on the router. Period. |
| 20:40.39 | valdyn | nmap will say "open (filtered)" in same cases |
| 20:40.46 | valdyn | but you enver told us that |
| 20:41.00 | jrtappers | valdyn, It shows as open |
| 20:41.04 | Kion | Hello, I am currently using Ubuntu, but it has been heading into a direction I dislike, how difficult would it be to switch to debian and what debian distro is right for me |
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| 20:41.27 | valdyn | Kion: theres only one debian distro |
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| 20:41.32 | jrtappers | I think its some kind of oddness with my router, it is not a good one on my side |
| 20:42.15 | valdyn | Kion: we cant give a useful answer to "how difficult" |
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| 20:43.56 | Kion | valdyn: thanks I thought there were two versions, one super stable and one with more recent versions of the different programs, am I wrong? |
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| 20:45.13 | valdyn | Kion: yes and no, theres only one release, thats stable. Theres 2 more branches, both of which exist in order to produce stable. But incidentally many people use them. |
| 20:45.39 | valdyn | Kion: you should use stable. |
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| 20:46.46 | Kion | valdyn: will stable have older versions of libreoffice, and other stuff? |
| 20:47.01 | valdyn | ,versions libreoffice |
| 20:47.02 | judd | Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u4; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1~bpo70+1; stretch: 1:4.4.2-1; sid: 1:4.4.2-1 |
| 20:47.02 | Kion | valdyn: or is it the same as what i have now in ubuntu? |
| 20:47.19 | valdyn | Kion: look what judd said. Jessie is current stable. |
| 20:47.54 | jrtappers | The 554 story gets better, there is a 300km long fibre line :P Or my router is really messing up my traffic (What is probably happening) |
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| 20:48.18 | valdyn | hmm, am i blind or is it not listed? |
| 20:48.26 | valdyn | nvm, its listed, im blind |
| 20:48.59 | jrtappers | Normally there are 14 links, but tracing on port 554 shows my router, and the next one being the actual server |
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| 20:49.39 | valdyn | jrtappers: you have a public IP on that server too? |
| 20:49.48 | jrtappers | valdyn, Yep |
| 20:50.14 | jrtappers | valdyn, It seems that my ISP likes to mess with traffic |
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| 20:54.17 | omap | Hello, I have a Debian install. I installed the fglrx driver and now it refuses to login. I removed the fglrx driver from a live CD with chroot & apt-get remove but it has the same problem still. How can I fix this? |
| 20:55.16 | towo_nb | without any relevant message or logfile, no one can say anything |
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| 20:55.34 | omap | Where can I find the logfile? |
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| 20:55.52 | towo_nb | on1ald, /var/log as ever? |
| 20:55.55 | towo_nb | gr |
| 20:56.03 | towo_nb | omap, /var/log |
| 20:56.28 | towo_nb | omap, and then for example /vat/log/Xorg.0.log as a 1st start |
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| 20:59.12 | omap | This is the Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/QqLP0Z0R |
| 20:59.59 | towo_nb | wrong channel |
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| 21:00.09 | towo_nb | this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
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| 21:03.14 | omap | I don't know why the log file says ubuntu, maybe because I am using chroot from a Ubuntu live CD? |
| 21:03.49 | omap | The system that generated the log file is Debian Jessie. |
| 21:04.11 | towo_nb | in a chroot, you would not get the logfile fromm the liv-session |
| 21:04.22 | towo_nb | +e |
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| 21:04.34 | omap | Well, I assume that the logfile is from the last startup of the Debian install? |
| 21:04.55 | towo_nb | never ever |
| 21:05.31 | towo_nb | a debian does not start an ubuntu-kernel, nor does it use xserver from ubuntu |
| 21:05.47 | omap | Maybe I accidentally opened the Ubuntu log file instead of the chroot. |
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| 21:06.25 | towo_nb | omap, that logfile does not interrest |
| 21:07.15 | omap | Yes, I accidentally uploaded the Ubuntu log file... This is the Debian Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/RDFCp91G |
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| 21:08.15 | towo_nb | remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:08.29 | towo_nb | remove all fglrx-packages from your install |
| 21:08.54 | towo_nb | if you have used the installer from amd, you on your own |
| 21:09.26 | towo_nb | and btw, you haven't removed all fglrx-packages |
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| 21:13.00 | omap | towo_nb: How do I remove the rest? |
| 21:13.51 | towo_nb | apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/fglrx/{ print $2 }') |
| 21:14.57 | omap | That removed 4 packages and fglrx-atieventsd refuses to uninstall still. |
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| 21:15.36 | omap | Should I try booting again? |
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| 21:21.55 | omap | OK, well I removed the remaining fglrx packages and it still has the same problem. By the way, the system gets stuck while booting at the message "Started update UTMP about system run level changes." |
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| 21:24.34 | brontosaurusrex | I guess 9menu does not support ttf fonts? |
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| 21:51.11 | x2f_ | help |
| 21:51.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | 42 |
| 21:51.56 | x2f_ | i was installing debian, and on that step that has a list of software packages to select |
| 21:51.56 | nse | does the security team sends security updates through this line in sources.list: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main ? |
| 21:52.08 | x2f_ | i accidently skipped it without selecting what i want |
| 21:52.16 | x2f_ | can i still download those later |
| 21:52.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | yes. |
| 21:52.57 | x2f_ | and will debian come with a WWW browser or did i have to select that too |
| 21:53.14 | x2f_ | internet browser |
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| 21:54.08 | NoImNotNineVolt | probably not. |
| 21:54.08 | x2f_ | we've all been there, accidently skipped a step of an installation |
| 21:54.15 | NoImNotNineVolt | so, you missed the "tasks" selection? |
| 21:54.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | "Desktop environment", "Web server", etc.? |
| 21:54.27 | x2f_ | yes |
| 21:54.49 | x2f_ | i tried to select one by pressing enter, and that skipped the whole thing |
| 21:54.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | if "Desktop environment" wasn't installed, you may have a challenging time installing other things. |
| 21:55.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | unless you're comfortable with the command line. |
| 21:55.18 | x2f_ | i did install that |
| 21:55.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | in that case, you're fine. |
| 21:55.53 | x2f_ | http://s0.cyberciti.org/uploads/faq//2009/02/debian-tasksel-command.png |
| 21:56.32 | anddam | would accidentally deleting /usr/share/doc in any way compromise the system functioning? |
| 21:56.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | right, all you really need is desktop environment. |
| 21:56.35 | ninncore | test |
| 21:56.43 | x2f_ | oh |
| 21:56.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | the rest is easy to install on your own, after everything is up and running. |
| 21:56.52 | x2f_ | you can access tasksel at any time |
| 21:56.58 | NoImNotNineVolt | there's that too. |
| 21:57.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | i wouldn't use tasksel for the other stuff, but that's just me :P |
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| 21:59.25 | ctmjr | x2f_: you can use tasksel to install what it would have at install time i.e. if you wanted gnome then run as root "tasksel install gnome-desktop --new-install" |
| 21:59.43 | ctmjr | you do need to install tasksel |
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| 22:09.36 | srg | Is there a way to make tab completion case-insenstive? |
| 22:09.58 | srg | This is in the default shell on Stretch (bash, I assume). |
| 22:10.20 | srg | For example, the "~/Desktop" dir, I have to captialize D for tab completion to work. |
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| 22:13.29 | acz32 | srg: i don't so. can you just rename it to desktop or do you like it capitalised? |
| 22:14.49 | acz32 | you can rename it desktop and update user-dirs.dirs |
| 22:14.57 | srg | acz32: I think my WM requires it to be capital |
| 22:15.09 | srg | hmm |
| 22:15.10 | acz32 | which WM? |
| 22:15.12 | srg | xfce |
| 22:15.43 | acz32 | i would make a line in that file like XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/desktop" |
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| 22:18.28 | srg | ok, thanks |
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| 22:19.51 | acz32 | welcome |
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| 22:20.31 | stf | hello, is someone of you familiar with the problem that after running aticonfig --initial the mouse curser disappers? |
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| 22:21.27 | stf | I am using jessie with cinamon |
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| 22:33.56 | xingu | this rc.d Required-{Start,Stop} dependency thing is pretty neat. :) |
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| 22:49.22 | x2ff | missing firmware http://s0.cyberciti.org/uploads/faq//2009/02/debian-tasksel-command.png |
| 22:49.39 | x2ff | copypaste fail |
| 22:49.45 | x2ff | missing firmware rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw |
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| 22:52.31 | reborn | is it true debian have long term for 5 years with new Jessie? |
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| 22:57.16 | SynrGy | reborn: it is anticipated. |
| 22:57.42 | SynrGy | as long as the volunteer effort to support LTS continues, it is now anticipated that each release lasts: |
| 22:58.01 | SynrGy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:58.21 | SynrGy | + 3 years being oldstable, and after that, LTS |
| 22:58.34 | reborn | Oh i see. |
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| 22:59.12 | SynrGy | since that overlaps the next, next stable, it becomes 'oldoldstable' after 4 years from the original release date |
| 22:59.20 | reborn | i am thinking about to switch from ubuntu to debian, but i don't know how to install for Graphic Card. |
| 22:59.27 | SynrGy | with the LTS stuff being layered on top of 'oldoldstable' |
| 22:59.52 | SynrGy | what graphics card do you have? |
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| 23:00.46 | reborn | HD 6450 |
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| 23:04.35 | SynrG | not 100% sure, but i think the free radeon driver works with it, plus non-free firmware |
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| 23:05.38 | reborn | okay, i heard mostly work with Nvidia. |
| 23:05.39 | SynrG | http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/#index5h2 |
| 23:06.04 | SynrG | HD6450 is Northern Islands, which is well supported by the free radeon driver, even in wheezy |
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| 23:06.40 | SynrG | you can install without non-free firmware first, and add it after, or you can use a firmware image |
| 23:06.43 | SynrG | !firmware image |
| 23:06.46 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 23:08.37 | reborn | thanks, i bookmarked, and create an boot, which is good apps for that? |
| 23:10.57 | SynrG | which operating system? |
| 23:11.00 | SynrG | oh, ubuntu |
| 23:11.02 | SynrG | you can just cp |
| 23:11.07 | SynrG | !usb install |
| 23:11.07 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
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| 23:11.19 | reborn | ubuntu 15.04 |
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| 23:11.29 | SynrG | yeah, you just cp to the device node for the USB key |
| 23:11.39 | SynrG | as per the doc linked above (first link) |
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| 23:13.01 | reborn | thanks, i bookmarked. |
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| 23:15.05 | reborn | Smae as command from ubuntu, yes? |
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| 23:16.14 | SynrG | hm? same as what command? |
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| 23:17.20 | reborn | terminal sudo? |
| 23:17.59 | SynrGy | generally, yes. |
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| 23:18.18 | reborn | i see. |
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