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| 00:12.51 | Contrl | I'm trying to use 'mail' to send mail outside of my localhost. I get this: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 00:13.04 | Contrl | :( |
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| 00:18.18 | kdog | gotta love "aptitude why". I just used that on the packages reported by debsecan and was able to get rid of a lot of those effected packages |
| 00:18.52 | mentor | affected |
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| 00:20.28 | kdog | mentor: thanks. I'll try to be less effective :-) |
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| 00:20.52 | mentor | OK, but don't let it affect your personality |
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| 00:21.18 | artgoeshere | I'm installing Debian on an older Macbook Air. I'm told that I need to find firmware for my network card. Where would I go to find brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw ? |
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| 00:21.26 | kdog | Is there a way to query the installed packages and get a list of those that aren't depended on by any other packages? |
| 00:21.28 | artgoeshere | (and is this the right place to ask?) |
| 00:21.43 | RickHull | Hi, I am trying to connect to exchange mail using gnome's evolution app |
| 00:21.59 | RickHull | originally i tried evolution-mapi backend, but apparently remotely hosted exchange is not supported |
| 00:22.05 | RickHull | it fails to open connection on port 135 |
| 00:22.22 | RickHull | there is an alternative backend evolution-exchange, but this package does not exist for Jessie |
| 00:22.29 | RickHull | it does exist for Sid and Wheezy |
| 00:22.39 | mentor | artgoeshere: There are firmware packages in the archive |
| 00:22.55 | mentor | artgoeshere: You can search by file name at packages.debian.org |
| 00:23.12 | RickHull | why is there no evolution-exchange for jessie? this uses webmail rather connecting to port 135 |
| 00:23.15 | artgoeshere | mentor, even non-free one? |
| 00:23.17 | artgoeshere | *ones |
| 00:23.27 | mentor | artgoeshere: There is a non-free section |
| 00:23.29 | mentor | spits on it |
| 00:23.33 | artgoeshere | lol |
| 00:23.42 | artgoeshere | wipes the spit off |
| 00:23.45 | artgoeshere | Uh... thanks? |
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| 00:25.08 | RickHull | is there any way I can find out why a package exists on Sid and Wheezy but not Jessie? |
| 00:25.20 | mentor | artgoeshere: All packages are equally searchable, yes |
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| 00:25.54 | mentor | RickHull: There are logs of testing package migrations, and such |
| 00:25.58 | mentor | Not sure where exactly |
| 00:26.51 | mentor | RickHull: Which package? |
| 00:26.56 | RickHull | evolution-exchange |
| 00:27.15 | themill | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/evolution-exchange |
| 00:27.38 | themill | (it's not in sid) |
| 00:27.50 | mentor | Yup |
| 00:27.58 | themill | ,bug 722164 |
| 00:28.00 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/722164 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: evolution-exchange -- ROM; dead upstream, superseded by evolution-ews»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-09-08; last modified: 2013-10-20. |
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| 00:28.29 | RickHull | https://packages.debian.org/sid/evolution-exchange ? |
| 00:29.02 | themill | RickHull: unless you're running m68k (which is not in Debian), it's not there. |
| 00:29.11 | RickHull | ah |
| 00:29.11 | rgr | Im trying to repair a UEFI boot on my thinkpad. Problem is that I need to "modprobe efivars" but when I chroot it still thinks the kernel version is that of the sysrescue cd so looks in the wrong place for the module and fails. How can I fix this? |
| 00:29.33 | dvs | rgr: chroot? |
| 00:29.44 | RickHull | FWIW, `apt-cache show evolution-mapi` references evolution-exchange |
| 00:30.07 | RickHull | ok, looks like i need to try evolution-ews |
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| 00:30.45 | rgr | dvs? |
| 00:31.08 | themill | rgr: chroot doesn't change the running kernel |
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| 00:31.15 | rgr | I know. |
| 00:31.19 | rgr | this is the problem. |
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| 00:31.50 | SixtyFold | what file do i edit so that i can get tint2 to load automatically when openbox starts? |
| 00:33.10 | rgr | not the problem per se but the modprobe is failing kmod_search_moddep cant open moddep file /lib/modules/*sysrescue kernel id*/modules.dep.bin |
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| 00:33.32 | rgr | ugh this uefi stuff makes it hell if something goes wrong. |
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| 00:38.08 | mentor | rgr: You can specify a filename |
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| 00:39.37 | saptech | SixtyFold, isn't it ~/.config/openbox/autostart? |
| 00:40.09 | SixtyFold | yah, im editing it wrong then |
| 00:40.17 | SixtyFold | it wasn't there, so i had to make it |
| 00:40.28 | SixtyFold | and im just not typing the commands right or something i guess maybe |
| 00:40.29 | Contrl | I'm trying to use 'mail' to send mail outside of my localhost. I get this: Mailing to remote domains not supported ... I setup dpkg-configure exim4-config ... and I have no clue what I'm doing outside of that. |
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| 00:40.43 | Contrl | Chose "Internet Site", as I want to send mail OUT |
| 00:40.59 | saptech | SixtyFold, google how to configure it. Been awhile since I used it |
| 00:41.15 | rgr | mentor:what do you mean I can specify a filename? I tried hardwiring the efivars.ko but no joy. problem is that the modules it thinks it needs from the running kernel are not available in the chroot. |
| 00:41.33 | saptech | be sure to add the "&" at the end of files you want to autostart |
| 00:41.38 | saptech | without the quotes |
| 00:41.42 | SixtyFold | yah, i did that |
| 00:41.47 | SixtyFold | ./tint2 & |
| 00:41.59 | saptech | just the file name |
| 00:42.00 | mentor | rgr: force |
| 00:42.05 | SixtyFold | oh okay |
| 00:42.08 | saptech | tint2 & |
| 00:42.09 | mentor | rgr: Make sure you're certain |
| 00:42.17 | SixtyFold | ahh okay, that's the problem then im sure |
| 00:42.18 | SixtyFold | thanks |
| 00:42.25 | saptech | yw |
| 00:44.10 | rgr | sorry, I dont know what you mean. |
| 00:44.23 | saptech | is anybody running KDE Plasma 5? |
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| 00:46.35 | mentor | rgr: It has a force option. |
| 00:46.39 | Catwiesel | evening |
| 00:46.59 | rgr | Im not sure how that helps or is relevant. |
| 00:47.27 | Catwiesel | anyone feels like helping me start to understand fail2ban regexes? |
| 00:48.10 | mentor | rgr: Sorry, I thought the issue was the modprobe was complaining that the versions mismatch |
| 00:48.22 | mentor | rgr: Is the module available outside the chroot? |
| 00:49.00 | rgr | yes |
| 00:49.10 | mentor | rgr: Put it in the chroot |
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| 00:51.28 | rgr | sorry. no it isn't. I was confusing myself there! mea culpa. |
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| 00:52.03 | artgoeshere | I'm having a bear of a time trying to get the Debian installer to see this firmware I grabbed for my Wifi hardware |
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| 00:52.33 | Catwiesel | fail2ban-regex 'Connection closed by 192.168.0.2 [preauth]' 'Connection closed by <HOST> [preauth]$/' <-- why doesnt this match? |
| 00:52.59 | DJJeff | after 3 god damn hours I found the secret jizz sauce |
| 00:52.59 | artgoeshere | I found and downloaded the firmware it asked for, threw it on a second USB drive and plugged it in, but it's either *not* what it's looking for or it's not actually looking on the USB stick I put in |
| 00:53.00 | DJJeff | qemu-system-mipsel -M malta -boot d -cdrom /home/jefferyw/Documents/ISOs/Linux Distros/debian-7.8.0-mipsel-netinst.iso -kernel netboot/vmlinux-3.2.0-4-4kc-malta -initrd netboot/initrd.gz -hda debian-mipsel.img -net tap,vlan=0,ifname=tap0 -net nic,vlan=0 -m 512 -nographic |
| 00:53.15 | DJJeff | I HAVE INTERNET!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 00:53.25 | artgoeshere | :D |
| 00:53.35 | DJJeff | adding tap0 to lxcbr0 |
| 00:53.38 | DJJeff | adding eth0 to lxcbr0 |
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| 00:53.48 | DJJeff | and using tap with qemu |
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| 00:54.01 | Contrl | I'm wanting to e-mail the current date using exim4. Is there a variable or something for this, or should I just echo? |
| 00:54.02 | DJJeff | JIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
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| 00:54.35 | DJJeff | but using -nographic is causing problems |
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| 00:54.44 | DJJeff | its doing a curses based install? |
| 00:55.00 | artgoeshere | Me? Yes. |
| 00:55.06 | gnudna | hi guys |
| 00:55.38 | rgr | its failing to open *sysrescue kernel id*/modules.dep.bin |
| 00:56.29 | Catwiesel | Contrl: mail -s "subjectline" target@mail.com < date |
| 00:56.35 | Catwiesel | Contrl: should work |
| 00:56.43 | Contrl | Catwiesel: Awesome thanks |
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| 00:57.25 | Contrl | Catwiesel: Well, the idea is that I want to put date inside of the message |
| 00:57.32 | Contrl | Like 'The current time is currently' + date |
| 00:57.42 | Contrl | Err, 'The time is currently' + date |
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| 00:58.50 | Catwiesel | Contrl: .... < echo "The current date is $(date)" |
| 00:59.03 | DJJeff | saved myself $100 by spending 3 hours |
| 00:59.12 | DJJeff | looking to find out how to do this myself |
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| 00:59.21 | Contrl | Catwiesel: Thanks! :D |
| 00:59.47 | DJJeff | now to pig out on ice cream as this installs |
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| 01:00.29 | mentor | rgr: You need the right module; loading a module from a different kernel is a mistake |
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| 01:00.55 | Catwiesel | no one? regex? fail2ban? |
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| 01:01.05 | DJJeff | fail2ban is awesome |
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| 01:01.24 | DJJeff | I also use csf firewall |
| 01:01.29 | DJJeff | on my cpanel server |
| 01:01.43 | Contrl | Catwiesel: What was the question? |
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| 01:02.27 | Catwiesel | DJJeff i might like fail2ban too, in fact, I want it to run on my servers. but my regex knowledge is lacking and my google-foo and modifying existing filters doesnt yield results |
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| 01:02.47 | DJJeff | pooh |
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| 01:02.55 | Catwiesel | Contrl: i need a bit help to get started with writing filters/understand those regexes |
| 01:03.31 | DJJeff | go for a nice snort install too if you are 100% paranoid |
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| 01:03.32 | DJJeff | lol |
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| 01:03.53 | DJJeff | I have a full snort install running on my openwrt based router |
| 01:04.01 | Contrl | Catwiesel: Just trying to learn in general? |
| 01:04.11 | Contrl | Or are you trying to do something with it? |
| 01:04.35 | DJJeff | fail2ban has a channel on freenode you can /join it |
| 01:04.51 | Contrl | Fail2Ban is really easy to setup |
| 01:04.55 | Catwiesel | Contrl: i dont want you guys to write my rules for me and its not like ive never used regex, but parsing logfiles needs complex regexes and even with "simple" ones, I fail to get matches |
| 01:05.12 | Catwiesel | DJJeff no one there atm :) |
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| 01:05.21 | DJJeff | only 48 users I see |
| 01:05.36 | Contrl | What are you hoping to look for, Fail2Ban-wise? |
| 01:05.39 | Contrl | Like, what program logs? |
| 01:06.22 | Catwiesel | sshd (which is mostly running out of the box), sasl (isnt), apache .htaccess and 2 custom rules in error.log (also apache) for my php login script |
| 01:06.41 | themill | Catwiesel: why are you trying to match that preauth disconnect message? |
| 01:06.42 | Contrl | SSH is setup by default with F2B |
| 01:06.46 | DJJeff | never run ssh on port 22 only use key based auth |
| 01:06.58 | DJJeff | NEVER use password auth for ssh |
| 01:07.02 | DJJeff | its just stupid now |
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| 01:07.23 | Contrl | DJJeff: As much as I want to say that's security by obscurity, you're right. I changed my port and it's drastically dropped the amount of brute force attempts. |
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| 01:07.27 | DJJeff | would love to watch someone bruteforce key auth ssh |
| 01:07.30 | Catwiesel | themill: to ban ips that might connect and disconnect rapidly (dos?) |
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| 01:08.10 | DJJeff | I still get brute forced on telnet (tcp port 23) |
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| 01:08.27 | DJJeff | damn chinese ip's |
| 01:08.50 | rgr | mentor: yes. Which is the issue. there is no efivars on the sysrescue cd. Looks like worst case scenario now. A reinstall. this uefi stuff is hideous. |
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| 01:09.10 | Catwiesel | and i value your input but i am not here to look for alternative methods of getting to target b or c, my port is not 22 and yes, keys are more secure but they would cost me a great deal of convenience, i am willing to take that risk. and sshd is working. i am more concerned about bnrute forcing my passwords over smtp/imap and my login script on the webpage |
| 01:09.37 | Contrl | Catwiesel: Wait, you use password based SSH auth? |
| 01:10.08 | Catwiesel | themill: and it is more or less the easiest log entry i think to start write an regex for :) |
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| 01:10.34 | Contrl | Keys are far more convenient. Literally boils down to ssh "user@ip_address -p 1234" and then auto-logins... |
| 01:10.36 | themill | Catwiesel: that preauth disconnect message normally comes when fail2ban has banned someone |
| 01:10.36 | Catwiesel | Contrl yes and when 9 out of 10 people tell you they dont after a question like that, 8 of them are lying :) |
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| 01:11.19 | Contrl | Catwiesel: That's absolutely insane. Why would you prefer passwords? What's your reasoning? |
| 01:11.21 | Catwiesel | themill: how is that possible if a fail2ban ban will result in the ip being banned from establising a tcp connection? |
| 01:11.30 | DJJeff | I just throw up a kippo ssh honeypot on 22 and watch the skidzzzzz SQUIRM!!!!!! |
| 01:11.59 | DJJeff | the malware skids wget is drop dead pee in the pants funny |
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| 01:12.28 | DJJeff | best part is... they can wget malware but not run them |
| 01:12.56 | DJJeff | waste of precious bandwidth but still hilarious |
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| 01:13.29 | Catwiesel | Contrl: i may access the server on any given device I may use at any given time when there is a need. i dont want to carry the key with me, i especially dont want the key be downloadable somewhere and I dont want to forget to delete the key when i am done |
| 01:14.09 | DJJeff | Catwiesel: think of it like a key to your house |
| 01:14.32 | DJJeff | Catwiesel: keep it on you at all times and dont give it out to anyone |
| 01:14.42 | Catwiesel | only that the door to your house can be at one place or every door you see can be one |
| 01:15.15 | Contrl | Catwiesel: You have complete root access on every single one of these devices? |
| 01:15.34 | Catwiesel | i mean I get it and lets not get hung up on sshd. that is the least of my problems, i just thought the line is easy to start with :) |
| 01:15.34 | Contrl | It's very trivial to setup keys. ssh-keygen is your best friend |
| 01:16.09 | Catwiesel | i know how to setup ssh login with keys (maybe not 100% by heart) but i dont do passwords everywhere :) |
| 01:16.37 | Catwiesel | those machines are mine, I own them. but i suspect your question is "do you go ssh root@ or not" ? |
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| 01:16.59 | Catwiesel | and the answer is no, i use another account and sudo |
| 01:17.04 | DJJeff | if ssh is not open to the outside world password auth is 100% ok |
| 01:17.16 | DJJeff | until you open it up to the outside world |
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| 01:17.55 | Catwiesel | ok... what I REALLY want to get blocked is stuff like |
| 01:17.59 | Catwiesel | [Thu Mar 26 22:22:34 2015] [error] [client 192.168.0.2] PHP Notice: Guestlogin attempt not successfull in /var/www/content/auth_login.php on line 46, referer: http://192.168.0.150/content/login.php |
| 01:18.00 | DJJeff | but judging from my kippo ssh password attempts majority of the passwords are dictionary |
| 01:18.14 | Catwiesel | and |
| 01:18.17 | Catwiesel | [Thu Mar 26 22:17:56 2015] [error] [client 192.168.0.2] PHP Warning: ldap_bind(): Unable to bind to server: No such object in /var/www/content/auth_login.php on line 57, referer: http://192.168.0.150/content/login.php |
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| 01:18.54 | DJJeff | use .htaccess and only allow your ip to access login.php ? |
| 01:19.11 | DJJeff | I do that for my wp-login.php |
| 01:19.25 | Catwiesel | you guys rip me a new one for using passwords for ssh and suggest using .htaccess :) |
| 01:19.30 | DJJeff | I redirect everyone thats not allow in my .htaccess to a random porn site |
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| 01:19.44 | Catwiesel | no, i cant use htaccess and i need the site to be available to multiple users |
| 01:20.08 | Catwiesel | besides, static ips are a luxurary here |
| 01:20.22 | Catwiesel | but i guess thats not what you ment... |
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| 01:21.03 | Contrl | Dynamic IPs can be dealt by DNS... |
| 01:21.10 | DJJeff | yes |
| 01:21.17 | DJJeff | dyndns, no-ip ...... |
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| 01:21.57 | Catwiesel | because I need MORE mails every 30 days needing me to verfiy hosts :) |
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| 01:22.06 | Contrl | shrugs |
| 01:22.16 | Contrl | We're giving you options. Not on us for you to take them |
| 01:22.28 | Catwiesel | sorry |
| 01:22.33 | Catwiesel | and thank you |
| 01:23.15 | Catwiesel | do you guys get frustrated sometimes too when you are looking for answers on the web? "hey I need A" "why dont you use b or c?" :) |
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| 01:23.19 | DJJeff | my web server was rooted back in 2013 from a stupid php gallery coppermine |
| 01:23.25 | DJJeff | I take security very seriously |
| 01:23.29 | DJJeff | ever since |
| 01:24.23 | DJJeff | depends how badly you want "A" |
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| 01:24.38 | Catwiesel | fortunately, i have yet to be hacked. and I try to take security serious too. this is why I want to block brute force attacks against smtp, imap and php login |
| 01:25.05 | Catwiesel | and i decided that looking for failed attempts and blocking those offending ips is a good solution |
| 01:25.28 | Catwiesel | if you want I can give you more information on why this is and what the extended circumstances are |
| 01:25.36 | Catwiesel | but they will not change my A |
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| 01:26.03 | Catwiesel | and please dont misunderstand me, I am having fun right now and enjoy this chat. man i love irc |
| 01:26.24 | DJJeff | I am quite happy with not running services on standard ports and honeypotting the skids and bots |
| 01:26.59 | DJJeff | annnnnnnnnnnnnnnd 94% on my mipsel debian qemu install :-) |
| 01:27.13 | DJJeff | soon to play with some mipsel based malware |
| 01:27.17 | Contrl | mipsel.. qemu... |
| 01:27.17 | Catwiesel | yeah, i dont feel comforteable moving imaps and smtp and https to other ports ... |
| 01:27.21 | Contrl | throws up |
| 01:27.21 | DJJeff | om nom nom nom nom |
| 01:27.41 | Catwiesel | this is all fine for stuff that I use (or other IT personal) |
| 01:27.52 | Contrl | imaps / smtp / https doesn't need to move |
| 01:27.58 | Catwiesel | but the average customer... no thanks |
| 01:28.35 | Contrl | Brb |
| 01:28.41 | DJJeff | how weak are your imap and smtp passwords that you need to worry about brute force |
| 01:29.02 | Catwiesel | mine is okay, but i dont know what user XYZ is using |
| 01:29.12 | DJJeff | oh shared server? |
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| 01:30.02 | Catwiesel | its a email server with ldap backend for ALL services. so you crack one services like brute force the php login, you can access mails and send mails |
| 01:30.30 | Catwiesel | ssh is posix-users which is independ from ldap, that is MINE |
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| 01:31.14 | Catwiesel | but there are muiltiple users and i use the word users because it fits. they are moms and teachers, fathers and girlfriends |
| 01:31.18 | Catwiesel | they dont know shit |
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| 01:33.07 | Catwiesel | and i think its easier to setup fail2ban than to record the last login attempt, the numbers of attempts and the date and stop brute force attempts in php |
| 01:33.25 | DJJeff | people who dont understand safety and security should not use computers |
| 01:33.35 | Catwiesel | AND it gives me the possibility to watch out for brute force on imap/smtp as well |
| 01:33.53 | DJJeff | and we wonder why celebs have their nudie photos leaked all over the interwebs |
| 01:33.59 | Catwiesel | DJJeff this is a beautiful phantasy and nothing else and you know it |
| 01:34.15 | Catwiesel | i diddnt :) |
| 01:34.20 | Catwiesel | (wonder that is) |
| 01:35.28 | DJJeff | I am coding software in python-twisted that will have fun with skids who brute force |
| 01:35.56 | DJJeff | services like VNC (5900) MySQL (3306) TELNET (23) RDP (3389) |
| 01:36.29 | DJJeff | my goal is to track these bastards down and stop them |
| 01:36.46 | DJJeff | thats my fantasy |
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| 01:37.30 | DJJeff | traffic against 5900 VNC skyrockets fast almost more so than SSH |
| 01:37.55 | Catwiesel | oh come on, the early 2000s skript kiddie died out, you have skripts running other skripts and attacking thousands of computers. the best you can do is waste cpu cycles of some stolen machine |
| 01:38.10 | DJJeff | true |
| 01:38.42 | Catwiesel | but to capture a real true skiddie with his none existent skills in a ssh honeypot is really entertaining yeah |
| 01:39.03 | Catwiesel | but i dont need or want this for my production server |
| 01:39.11 | DJJeff | I have some pretty funny kippo ssh logs |
| 01:39.20 | DJJeff | its what I read for pornography |
| 01:39.43 | Catwiesel | i want "eh, 5 attempted logins over php login? BAN IP FOR 24hrs" |
| 01:39.59 | DJJeff | damn my qemu debian install is stuck |
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| 01:40.16 | DJJeff | config apt getting file 3 of 3 for 15min now |
| 01:40.32 | Catwiesel | network problems? |
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| 01:40.37 | DJJeff | doubt it |
| 01:40.43 | Catwiesel | :( |
| 01:41.08 | Catwiesel | luckily, Ive never had any real trouble with debian and apt |
| 01:41.23 | DJJeff | I am doing a netboot install heh |
| 01:41.29 | Catwiesel | makes me yearn for a package manager for windows so BAD |
| 01:41.45 | DJJeff | I enjoy synaptic package manager |
| 01:41.46 | Catwiesel | (I know, they exist) |
| 01:41.59 | DJJeff | synaptic has its fair share of bugs |
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| 01:42.07 | DJJeff | but it works |
| 01:42.38 | Catwiesel | okay... so... |
| 01:43.03 | DJJeff | and it moves...... getting file 6 of 6 |
| 01:43.11 | Catwiesel | fail2ban-regex 'Connection closed by 192.168.0.2 [preauth]' 'Connection closed by <HOST> [preauth]$/' <-- why is this regex not catching the input? |
| 01:43.35 | Catwiesel | crossing my fingers DJJeff |
| 01:43.58 | DJJeff | ok now on to select and install software 1% |
| 01:44.15 | Catwiesel | i think i need more rum and coke |
| 01:44.26 | DJJeff | poor me a glass please |
| 01:44.34 | Catwiesel | sure! |
| 01:45.13 | Catwiesel | 3am, working on the server with sudo, never be a bad idea to get drunk |
| 01:45.28 | DJJeff | linux needs a drunk test |
| 01:45.36 | DJJeff | ....ok you are drunk no more sudo for you |
| 01:45.41 | Catwiesel | ah damn, i am working on the local copy in a vm |
| 01:46.04 | Catwiesel | with snapshots no less, doesnt count |
| 01:46.15 | DJJeff | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M |
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| 01:46.23 | DJJeff | ahhhhhhhh crap I meant /dev/sdb |
| 01:46.31 | DJJeff | stop stop stop stop! |
| 01:46.33 | DJJeff | lol |
| 01:46.33 | Catwiesel | too late |
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| 01:47.27 | Catwiesel | dd if=/old/data of=/dev/sda bs=1M |
| 01:47.32 | Catwiesel | WHY WONT YOU WORK |
| 01:48.15 | Catwiesel | gives DJJeff a HUGE rum and coke |
| 01:48.37 | DJJeff | ubuntu is so far away from debian its lost all touch |
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| 01:49.06 | DJJeff | I started my *nix carrer with redhat 9 |
| 01:49.47 | Catwiesel | i couldnt get warm with rhel or centos or bsd, i need a debian based system |
| 01:50.05 | DJJeff | my server is centos |
| 01:50.21 | Catwiesel | i tried... failed so miserably |
| 01:50.29 | DJJeff | I need to float towards debian in the future |
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| 01:51.06 | DJJeff | raspberrypi uses debian... well raspbian |
| 01:51.11 | DJJeff | I <3 my pi |
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| 01:52.20 | Catwiesel | wasted a week building samba4.2 on the pi and setting up radius and cant get radius to auth against active directory |
| 01:52.28 | Catwiesel | but thats another talk |
| 01:52.38 | DJJeff | heh |
| 01:52.40 | DJJeff | samba |
| 01:52.45 | DJJeff | I piss on samba |
| 01:52.45 | Catwiesel | i like ubuntu if you need a gui (and i dont mean unity!) |
| 01:52.58 | Catwiesel | but no gui, always go debian |
| 01:53.05 | DJJeff | oh god no Xfce is my DE of choice now |
| 01:53.14 | Catwiesel | xfce is nice yeah |
| 01:53.19 | DJJeff | so many are against unity |
| 01:53.32 | Catwiesel | unity is worse than win8 |
| 01:53.45 | DJJeff | agreed |
| 01:53.52 | DJJeff | win10 is semi ok now |
| 01:54.17 | Catwiesel | luckily there is gnome-fallback in metacity, and since i got used to gnome, its not too bad |
| 01:54.36 | DJJeff | I have not used compiz in ages |
| 01:54.46 | Catwiesel | yeah, i gujess there wil be a time where my trusty win7 will yield to 10 but i am not exactly in love with 10 yet |
| 01:54.47 | DJJeff | making 3d cubes |
| 01:55.09 | Catwiesel | feels mostly like ubunt 10.04lts which was fine |
| 01:55.34 | DJJeff | 10.04 is EoL? |
| 01:55.48 | Catwiesel | i think it is |
| 01:56.08 | DJJeff | May 9, 2013 (Desktop) |
| 01:56.08 | DJJeff | April 30, 2015 (Server) |
| 01:56.12 | Catwiesel | when the new computer came to be installed I just put 14 04 on it |
| 01:56.30 | Catwiesel | 12 04 was crap. buggy piece of shiot |
| 01:56.50 | DJJeff | I never touched 12.04 |
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| 01:56.56 | Catwiesel | count yourself lucky |
| 01:57.00 | Catwiesel | L U C K Y |
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| 01:57.20 | Catwiesel | 12.04LTS stableISH |
| 01:57.32 | DJJeff | I went from 10.04 to 13.04 raring |
| 01:57.59 | Catwiesel | I dont want to touch none LTE's |
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| 01:58.11 | Catwiesel | anyway... |
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| 01:58.44 | Catwiesel | gnome on debian has its problems too, at least last time I checked (which might have been squeezy) |
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| 01:59.05 | Catwiesel | so ubuintu it is, but it can annoy me to hell too :) |
| 01:59.12 | DJJeff | ah yes time to Configuring popularity-contest |
| 01:59.20 | DJJeff | yay or neh |
| 01:59.31 | karlpinc | Catwiesel: So, what's ubuntu got for a desktop that's not in debian? |
| 01:59.43 | Catwiesel | give DJJeff another rum and coke |
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| 02:01.24 | Catwiesel | karlpinc I dont know, its hard to describe.... and i am sorry if our casual talk is insulting the debian community here, ill stop... I dont remember exact details but I distinctly remember setting up a desktop with debian and gnome2 and getting quite pissed at a few things that were important and were problematic while ubuntu just worked - and was prettier |
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| 02:02.15 | karlpinc | Catwiesel: Well, this channel is for debian support, so strictly speaking we'er offtopic and should go to #debian-offtopic. But it's a very debian-related question of the "why (not) debian" sort. |
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| 02:03.11 | Catwiesel | i will admit, this is a very subjective and personal opinion and may be outdated, misinterpreted or just plain wrong |
| 02:03.22 | Catwiesel | i LOVE debian and accept ubuntu |
| 02:03.53 | karlpinc | Catwiesel: Well, debian has since decided to include various codecs and suchlike that they used to keep away from for legal reasons. I suppose that might matter to some. |
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| 02:04.23 | karlpinc | Catwiesel: For me, I'm still looking for a good window manager. They all suck. |
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| 02:05.03 | Catwiesel | hm, should not have been an issue for the/my desktop but I understand, yeah, many users will mind |
| 02:05.04 | karlpinc | Catwiesel: Gnome was good, back when it was first released. Enlightenment was nearly what I wanted, back when it was first released. |
| 02:06.01 | Catwiesel | i think that was way before i ventured in the world of linux |
| 02:07.23 | karlpinc | So, I tolerate my desktop. Always open to suggestions. |
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| 02:08.35 | Catwiesel | sorry, using the default window manager, never bothered to look for better |
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| 02:11.21 | Catwiesel | hmm cold chili with siracha |
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| 02:12.24 | DJJeff | I *sneeze* brrrrrrrrrr |
| 02:12.47 | DJJeff | used something called emerald window manager to give my ubuntu a windows 7 look |
| 02:13.33 | DJJeff | why I have no clue now I just stick with standard themes |
| 02:13.58 | DJJeff | I spend more time in a terminal anyways I have no use for "pretty" |
| 02:14.26 | Catwiesel | whats your gui? gnome? xfde? unity? |
| 02:14.29 | Catwiesel | XTERM! |
| 02:14.30 | DJJeff | ah crap I hit enter and did not see what that window said |
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| 02:14.50 | DJJeff | oh well the install is going ahead |
| 02:15.06 | DJJeff | xfce |
| 02:15.24 | Catwiesel | it was supposed to be a bad joke |
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| 02:15.32 | DJJeff | but for some nerdy reason I use gnome-terminal over xfce-terminal |
| 02:16.02 | peterrooney | what does gnome-terminal offer that screen does not? |
| 02:16.10 | DJJeff | heh |
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| 02:16.45 | DJJeff | I like to resize my terminal windows |
| 02:16.51 | DJJeff | and set the title for each one |
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| 02:16.54 | Catwiesel | PUTTY |
| 02:16.57 | DJJeff | so I know what I use it for |
| 02:17.06 | Catwiesel | ;) |
| 02:17.08 | DJJeff | putty is nice for windows host |
| 02:17.13 | DJJeff | and *nix client |
| 02:17.15 | smdrz | openbox |
| 02:17.41 | Catwiesel | well, install it in wine ;) |
| 02:17.56 | DJJeff | there is a native putty you do not need wine |
| 02:18.07 | DJJeff | apt-get install putty worked for me |
| 02:18.22 | Catwiesel | seriously, putty on linux? |
| 02:18.23 | Catwiesel | lol |
| 02:18.26 | DJJeff | yup |
| 02:18.31 | Catwiesel | WHY |
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| 02:19.08 | DJJeff | root@xubuntu:/tmp# dpkg -l | grep putty |
| 02:19.09 | DJJeff | ii putty 0.63-4 |
| 02:19.30 | Catwiesel | hehe |
| 02:19.42 | Catwiesel | pou know what i really miss on linux? |
| 02:19.47 | Catwiesel | notepad++ |
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| 02:19.51 | DJJeff | bah |
| 02:20.22 | DJJeff | 74% on my debian netboot install |
| 02:20.35 | DJJeff | I only gave this thing 512M of ram |
| 02:20.57 | DJJeff | out of the 16 some odd GB I have |
| 02:22.50 | Catwiesel | it will pass |
| 02:22.55 | DJJeff | yup |
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| 02:23.28 | DJJeff | I am running it in -nographic mode so ya 512M of ram is pleanty |
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| 02:25.54 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmmmm |
| 02:25.55 | DJJeff | [!] Continue without boot loader |
| 02:26.11 | DJJeff | ah no biggy |
| 02:26.44 | DJJeff | just need to boot with kernel args during bootup |
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| 02:27.54 | DJJeff | http://i.imgur.com/Af2C6OY.png |
| 02:29.01 | Catwiesel | imgur... approving |
| 02:29.09 | DJJeff | ? |
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| 02:29.55 | donofrio | didn't work )-: on powerpc net 7.0 build.... |
| 02:29.59 | Catwiesel | too many people putting their pics on whoknowswhat sites when there is a perfectly fine imgur sitting around ;) |
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| 02:31.09 | Catwiesel | i really should go to bed |
| 02:31.23 | DJJeff | good night sir |
| 02:31.30 | DJJeff | only 7:30pm for me |
| 02:31.48 | Catwiesel | 3e:30 am and 3/4th bottle of rum |
| 02:31.51 | DJJeff | now to find out what kernel args to use with qemu |
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| 02:33.15 | DJJeff | I guess just straight up -boot c is not enough |
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| 02:34.18 | donofrio | paste.debian.net/163609 |
| 02:34.24 | Catwiesel | sorry, dont know anything about qemu except that is for emuilating |
| 02:35.02 | DJJeff | donofrio: is that a VERY broken system? |
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| 02:35.39 | somiaj | luckly libvirt and virtmanager make manging vms easy in my experience |
| 02:36.02 | DJJeff | virt manager can suck my big fat cock |
| 02:36.09 | DJJeff | I am sick of that PCI error |
| 02:36.15 | Catwiesel | i like xen, but its not the same, i realise that |
| 02:36.19 | DJJeff | Unable to complete install: 'XML error: No PCI buses available' |
| 02:36.28 | DJJeff | I was getting that for hours |
| 02:36.35 | DJJeff | using virt-manager |
| 02:37.10 | DJJeff | its because I am dealing with a mipsel based distro |
| 02:37.16 | DJJeff | x86 its fine |
| 02:37.46 | donofrio | not broken *just* built |
| 02:37.57 | donofrio | this is the after output from clone |
| 02:38.05 | somiaj | DJJeff: watch your langauge. |
| 02:38.25 | DJJeff | really its the most broken crap I have ever touched |
| 02:38.46 | DJJeff | when dealing with an arch thats not x86 |
| 02:38.50 | somiaj | DJJeff: sounds like your xml config file is missing some device definitions. I personally use virsh over virt-manager and control things that way. But with virsh you can export the .xml of the vm and then reconfigure it. |
| 02:39.09 | DJJeff | I attempted to play with virtsh |
| 02:39.10 | somiaj | yea I haven't tried to do non-native arch with it yet. |
| 02:39.18 | DJJeff | that got my panties up in knots |
| 02:39.24 | Catwiesel | gn8! |
| 02:41.57 | somiaj | DJJeff: again please leave the language and complaining to a minimum. I don't have enough experience with non-native arches and kvm-quemu, but have you thought about asking in ##libvirt |
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| 02:42.31 | somiaj | arg, one second, let me find the actual channel name, oh I think it is on oftc.net |
| 02:42.35 | DJJeff | oh many times |
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| 02:42.47 | DJJeff | I am also in #qemu on oftc |
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| 02:43.12 | DJJeff | 214 people in channel |
| 02:43.48 | somiaj | yea that in #virt on irc.oftc.net would be where I would suggest to get help. Since you seem to have the stuff installed you may find more experienced people who have used it for actual arch emulation (over just a vm) |
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| 02:44.59 | DJJeff | oh my god BAT MAN |
| 02:45.09 | DJJeff | I have irc logs from #virt on oftc |
| 02:45.16 | DJJeff | and at the top of the log |
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| 02:45.35 | DJJeff | is me reminding myself to add tap0 to lxcbr0 |
| 02:45.44 | DJJeff | wow that log would have saved me about 3 hours |
| 02:46.24 | Contrl | So, I'm trying to send a secure ( being the key word ) message to a phone ( SMS/MMS ) from exim4. I figure I can't do GPG for an MMS.. So, what are my options in this case? |
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| 02:54.17 | DJJeff | yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay |
| 02:54.23 | DJJeff | my debian is BOOOOOOOOOTING |
| 02:55.09 | DJJeff | need to dd make a copy of the .img and create a sha256sum to use as a backup/restore |
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| 02:57.51 | DJJeff | hrmmmmmm halting qemu will halt and also reboot it |
| 02:58.45 | cdbob | Hi! |
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| 03:16.01 | DJJeff | this is how it is done |
| 03:16.02 | DJJeff | http://paste.debian.net/163614/ |
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| 03:17.04 | DJJeff | reading package list was a tad slow |
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| 03:22.51 | irc|NET | abrotman:are you there? |
| 03:23.30 | somiaj | irc|NET: if you have a followup or another question, best to just ask and not look for the person who helped you last time. |
| 03:23.51 | irc|NET | why is everybody using ubuntu and not debian since debian is obviously superior |
| 03:24.53 | irc|NET | ive installed debian easy you just need to use cfdisk its a breeze |
| 03:25.31 | somiaj | irc|NET: there are plenty of people who use debian. People have the freedom to choose what os they want to use. Even though it is nice you are a debian fan, which distro is best is off-topic here. |
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| 03:26.05 | dvs | (...even though it's Debian) |
| 03:26.51 | irc|NET | debian as all the packages no need for whimsical ppas |
| 03:27.10 | irc|NET | ubuntu just pales in comparison |
| 03:27.37 | irc|NET | debian is rock solid |
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| 03:28.23 | irc|NET | ubuntu is just for testing new stuff |
| 03:28.36 | atgnag | So, are rebuildable packages intended to become a repo-wide standard eventually? |
| 03:28.41 | irc|NET | its like red hat to fedora theres no question about it |
| 03:28.44 | atgnag | is sure he's using the right word |
| 03:28.48 | DJJeff | all joking aside I think hanna montana linux is rock solid |
| 03:28.51 | somiaj | atgnag: what do you mean by rebuildable packges? |
| 03:29.37 | atgnag | somiaj: Ah, Reproducable builds is what I meant. |
| 03:29.43 | DJJeff | take any *nix distro put a wallpaper on it and change its name |
| 03:29.48 | irc|NET | somiaj: i think DJJeff is pulling your leg |
| 03:29.49 | DJJeff | thats how the pros do it |
| 03:30.36 | somiaj | atgnag: I still don't follow what you mean? debian packages are designed to be rebuildable if you have all the build-deps installed. But the default is to install binary packages and not rebuild them locally. |
| 03:30.38 | irc|NET | you need a new them if you wnat to make it pro |
| 03:31.19 | somiaj | irc|NET: both yours and DJJeff signal to noise ratio is way to low. Try to keep on topic, which is debian support. |
| 03:31.22 | atgnag | somiaj: With reproducible builds, you can create the exact same binary provided by the repo. https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds |
| 03:31.46 | irc|NET | rebuild is mainlly usefull if you are using another arch for wich theres no binaries |
| 03:33.12 | somiaj | atgnag: ahh yea that is a far more exact build. That is nice. Usually I suggest using pbuilder or a chroot to make sure you always build in a clean enviorment. Though I think it is something to strive for, I'm unsure what the standards/policy is heading towards. |
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| 03:37.04 | somiaj | atgnag: What is your interstes in this. To me it seems like a nifty idea to get the exact same binary (byte per byte), but it is something that is that useful when dealing whith 20000+ packages? (though seems most work already, which doesn't supprise me, just need to use a clean chroot to build in) |
| 03:38.37 | atgnag | somiaj: Just seems like it could be potentially useful. |
| 03:40.28 | karlpinc | I'd like to build for arm and use emdebian, but every time I check emdebian does not seem to be quite there yet. It's been some years, is it better? |
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| 03:50.41 | keltim | hey all, is it possible for cfdisk to actually mess up a new 4TB drive? I forgot about GPT and lazily used it, made a type 83 and ever since, nothing but sense key errors ... I would think it would just create an incorrectly sized partition, and I think the disk is bad, but just asking .. should have used gparted ... |
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| 03:51.31 | keltim | but I think the disk is just bad |
| 03:54.20 | irc|NET | phunyguy: im here!" |
| 03:55.02 | irc|NET | have you nailded anyone today punk? |
| 03:56.00 | irc|NET | just set the web and drag them in thats what i always say |
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| 03:58.15 | Rusty1 | keltim: do you need to salvage data from the drive? |
| 03:58.33 | keltim | no it's brand new. I'd wipe it out is the OS could see it anymore |
| 03:58.59 | keltim | s/is/if |
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| 03:59.44 | irc|NET | #r.trees is were the fun is at |
| 03:59.47 | Rusty1 | i might use smartmontools (smartctl) to look at the dive itself, and if ok repartiiton using gparted |
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| 04:00.08 | keltim | I need a device to use smartctl though |
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| 04:01.05 | keltim | just wondering whether this drive is just bad, or if my dumb use of cfdisk messed it up. Can't find much on google, guess no one (rightly) uses cfdisk anymore |
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| 04:01.47 | keltim | but a few snippets about it damaging GPT, but I can't imagine it could cause sense key errors and what not, that's hardware |
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| 04:01.55 | hvoa | hey guys |
| 04:02.21 | keltim | ugh. booting into bios ... later |
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| 04:16.02 | RickHull | Hi, I am following https://wiki.debian.org/KVM on Jessie |
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| 04:17.43 | RickHull | i don't understand the distinction between `virsh list --all` and `virsh --connect qemu:///system list --all` as described under Installation |
| 04:17.52 | donofrio | so what's I do wrong with the clone stuff....)-: |
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| 04:18.44 | RickHull | the former command works for my non-root user. the latter says "error: no connection driver available for quemu:/system" |
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| 04:21.44 | fling | Where to get the default kernel config from? |
| 04:21.52 | desmond_ | I managed to break apt-get and am unable to fix it on my own |
| 04:22.09 | karlpinc | fling: /boot/config-* |
| 04:22.11 | desmond_ | Every time I try to run sudo apt-get update/upgrade/anything else it quits suddenly partially through |
| 04:22.21 | fling | karlpinc: If I don't have it installed yet. |
| 04:22.27 | desmond_ | http://pastebin.com/5XPj7ZGW |
| 04:22.34 | desmond_ | ^As seen here |
| 04:22.35 | fling | karlpinc: can you please wgetpaste one for me? |
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| 04:23.09 | karlpinc | fling: Ok. (I'm sure there's one in the source package somewhere.) |
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| 04:23.54 | themill | desmond_: (a) there's no error there (b) ask #ubuntu on this network or #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
| 04:24.40 | karlpinc | fling: |
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| 04:25.18 | karlpinc | fling: http://paste.debian.net/163615/ config-3.2.0-4-amd64 YMMV |
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| 04:26.37 | donofrio | I cannot use apt-clone between archs correct.... |
| 04:28.13 | desmond_ | The issue is resolved, please disregard. |
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| 04:28.50 | donofrio | like "apt-clone clone output" (seems to create a tar.gz file, then how do I get this to "apt-clone restore tar.gz"? |
| 04:28.57 | kalin00b | im taking my lpic exams this coming week |
| 04:29.20 | kalin00b | i know that i know the stuff like the back of my hand but im afraid questions will be like worded weird and ill miss them |
| 04:29.47 | kalin00b | or itll ask something about something like runlevel and ill give the debian answer when it wants red hat |
| 04:30.28 | irc|NET | lots of actiopn in here today :D |
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| 04:42.29 | donofrio | I don't have apt-clone on powerpc arch.... )-: ok can someone tell me why x86 "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile" gave me paste.debian.net/163609 from my netinstalled 7.0 on powerpc arch |
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| 04:42.41 | fling | karlpinc: thanks. But too old. |
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| 04:44.30 | themill | donofrio: you might need to explain what you've done to generate that output |
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| 04:46.01 | donofrio | themill: it's this on powerpc "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade" |
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| 04:46.54 | themill | donofrio: so some of those packages aren't in wheezy at all and I suspect you might be missing things from your sources.list there too |
| 04:47.26 | mi11k1 | how can I find out if my kernel has specific modules installed already? im trying to use FBTFT, and apparently it is implemented in new kernel |
| 04:47.42 | donofrio | but it didn't install any of the packages listed many went by but nothing new on powerpc host was expecting xfce4 and etc afetr buches of pkg's installed |
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| 04:48.39 | shentino | millkl: try lsmod |
| 04:48.42 | kalin00b | lsmod |
| 04:48.45 | shentino | that should get you some of them |
| 04:49.15 | mi11k1 | i did, its not in there |
| 04:49.44 | mi11k1 | i did uname -r and it is apparently here |
| 04:50.49 | mi11k1 | maybe its stripped out of this distro |
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| 04:52.22 | mi11k1 | wait, what is staging area? |
| 04:52.26 | kalin00b | can add it with modprobe |
| 04:52.47 | mi11k1 | modprobe doesnt work |
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| 04:53.22 | mi11k1 | it here, https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/gregkh/staging.git/tree/drivers/staging/fbtft?h=staging-testing |
| 04:53.37 | mi11k1 | but, I have no clue what this site is |
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| 04:54.22 | kalin00b | kernel.org? its like the main site for the basic linux kernel |
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| 04:55.12 | mi11k1 | ok, i'm not at that level yet, guess i gotta do some google |
| 04:55.22 | kalin00b | its certainly trustworthy :) |
| 04:56.04 | kalin00b | the linux foundation is who does the certification exams |
| 04:56.17 | DrakkenWarr | talking about the LPIC? |
| 04:56.21 | kalin00b | yeah |
| 04:56.28 | DrakkenWarr | Good cert track |
| 04:56.28 | kalin00b | the ones im taking ^_^ |
| 04:56.33 | kalin00b | this week |
| 04:56.48 | DrakkenWarr | LPIC-1? kalin00b? |
| 04:57.52 | kalin00b | yes |
| 04:58.11 | kalin00b | im taking the first next friday and the second the following monday |
| 04:58.14 | kalin00b | so nervous |
| 04:58.14 | DrakkenWarr | Good luck Sir. Let me know it goes. The LPIC's are on my cert track |
| 04:58.28 | DrakkenWarr | the 1 and 2 back to back? Damn Sir! |
| 04:58.31 | DrakkenWarr | That is hardcore |
| 04:58.39 | kalin00b | i know the material SO WELL ive fixed someone elses linux without GUI like a hundred times |
| 04:58.46 | kalin00b | I could be great at this job |
| 04:58.53 | kalin00b | its my passion in life |
| 04:59.13 | DrakkenWarr | then let that drive ya Sir. Take a breath, and go forth and kickbackside on it |
| 04:59.17 | mi11k1 | kalin00b, i just dont know anything about the messing about with the kernel, guess im learniing now |
| 04:59.18 | kalin00b | im nervous i will know answers and get them wrong because i want it so badly |
| 04:59.53 | DrakkenWarr | aye, second guessing yourself will be a problem. Go with your gut, do what they ask and move on to the next question |
| 05:00.01 | kalin00b | ive never wanted a career more in my life |
| 05:00.13 | kalin00b | well im also nervous as i was saying earlier |
| 05:00.17 | DrakkenWarr | Right there with ya man. |
| 05:00.18 | kalin00b | that ill give debian answers |
| 05:00.23 | kalin00b | when it wants red hat |
| 05:00.29 | kalin00b | like on run levels |
| 05:00.43 | DrakkenWarr | I am on the cusp of being a part of an amazing company. I want it so bad, though I already know I have it, as long as I do not let myself mess it up |
| 05:00.45 | kalin00b | because thats what i have always used |
| 05:01.04 | DrakkenWarr | 2 not 3 |
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| 05:01.06 | kalin00b | deep down i know i do too, i know this material very well |
| 05:01.17 | kalin00b | i regularly administer my own and a friends system |
| 05:01.42 | kalin00b | ive had to fix things through command line a hundred times, i know how to use it |
| 05:01.45 | DrakkenWarr | so just breath, and do not over think it |
| 05:01.51 | kalin00b | the part i will know least is the GUI stuff lol |
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| 05:02.38 | DrakkenWarr | heh, the GUI is easy to click around and find what you need. Just relax, and try not to think about it for a day or two |
| 05:02.57 | DrakkenWarr | just focus on a hobby outside of work and give your mind time to regroup |
| 05:02.59 | kalin00b | relax is the key |
| 05:03.00 | DrakkenWarr | it will be fine |
| 05:03.06 | kalin00b | im not a relaxed person by default |
| 05:03.09 | DrakkenWarr | aye it tis, and it is the hardest part of it all |
| 05:03.11 | kalin00b | im very nervous type |
| 05:03.29 | DrakkenWarr | same same, but a bit older than ya, and it will serve you well to start to learn that skill |
| 05:03.40 | DrakkenWarr | afk a tick |
| 05:03.45 | kalin00b | kk :) |
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| 05:05.57 | nixguy | Is anybody aware of a GUI tool like YaST2, only more comprehensive, will ever be included w/ Debian in future release? |
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| 05:06.44 | DrakkenWarr | back |
| 05:06.57 | DrakkenWarr | Synaptic |
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| 05:07.35 | keltim | nixguy, they never work right |
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| 05:08.11 | DrakkenWarr | just use aptitude on the command line |
| 05:08.12 | keltim | there is that .. what is it called? that web thingy ... webman ... webmon .. web something. |
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| 05:08.20 | nixguy | keltim: Well, I'm using OpenSuse and it works well enough |
| 05:08.38 | keltim | So long as you don't stray from them I guess |
| 05:08.42 | nixguy | keltim: webadmin |
| 05:08.46 | keltim | but that never happens |
| 05:09.02 | keltim | I mean always happens |
| 05:09.13 | kalin00b | we took a practice exam in class i got no questions "wrong" but i did jump to conclusions and give incomplete answers that wanted more than 1 command for the same outcome |
| 05:09.20 | kalin00b | dumb stuff like that |
| 05:09.25 | nixguy | mm, doesn't sound like you're making sense to me here? |
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| 05:09.36 | kalin00b | where i didnt read the question before jumping to the answer |
| 05:10.09 | keltim | I prefer debian's method of doing most things, it never breaks and works everywhere |
| 05:10.34 | keltim | but it does cost you time up front |
| 05:10.51 | DrakkenWarr | sloe down and breath kalin00b, and do not be over confident |
| 05:10.53 | aaro | nixguy: as someone else already said, synaptic |
| 05:11.24 | keltim | aaro, that's just packages, I think he means a univeral system configuration tool |
| 05:11.28 | kalin00b | yeah i will be the opposite of overconfident im a worrier |
| 05:11.55 | kalin00b | in class i was over confident but it was not "for real" and i was trying to be a showoff |
| 05:12.03 | aaro | oh ok |
| 05:12.13 | keltim | last time I looked at yast it was a mess of barely funtional perl scripts that f*ed up everything, but that was like 1998 |
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| 05:13.08 | kalin00b | just aptitude from command line imo |
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| 05:13.45 | kalin00b | if you need to find something cache search |
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| 05:14.26 | thomas_d | hey if I have a c program that just does a printf with a command like printf("ping 8.8.8.8"), how do I then make the terminal take that as input? |
| 05:14.28 | keltim | nixguy, most basic configuration in debian is done with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 05:14.33 | thomas_d | I tried ./a.out > bash |
| 05:15.05 | thomas_d | it spat back a load of gobbledigook |
| 05:15.16 | keltim | well yeah it's a binary |
| 05:15.27 | thomas_d | im a noob |
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| 05:15.42 | thomas_d | is there a simple way to do this, or do I need to keep reading my C textbook and learn about unix scripting etc? |
| 05:15.52 | keltim | I don't know C, but you might try googling for "C run shell commands" |
| 05:16.09 | keltim | though I have no idea why you'd want to ... |
| 05:16.10 | thomas_d | what if I wanted to do |
| 05:16.12 | qmr | thomas_d: man 3 system |
| 05:16.20 | thomas_d | echo "ping 8.8.8.8" > [to the terminal] |
| 05:16.26 | kalin00b | you can use a shell other than bash there are some I believe made for C programming? |
| 05:16.35 | qmr | Also google. why the hell are you wasting my time with your shitty question. I am a highly paid professional dammit. |
| 05:16.41 | thomas_d | ;x |
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| 05:16.43 | thomas_d | sry bye |
| 05:17.00 | qmr | If you are going to run a bunch of commands like that, you should be using bash or perl. maaaaaybe python. |
| 05:17.20 | thomas_d | yeah yeah yeah I get that you're supposed to do this and that but I just want to screw around okay nvm |
| 05:17.24 | kalin00b | I dont know much about C |
| 05:17.41 | qmr | what book are you working with thomas_d? |
| 05:18.14 | thomas_d | K&R - im only on chapter 1, thought it'd be fun to apply some of that stuff to screwing around with bash tho, just with some pinging and stuff |
| 05:18.16 | kalin00b | I do know you can install shells that are for C programming |
| 05:18.53 | thomas_d | i thought it'd be a simple case of > |
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| 05:19.10 | keltim | kalin00b, I don't think they're for C programming, they're for comfort for those familiar with c syntax :) |
| 05:19.29 | keltim | like the horrible csh |
| 05:19.44 | kalin00b | ah |
| 05:19.56 | kalin00b | right thats what i was thinking of |
| 05:19.58 | kalin00b | csh |
| 05:20.10 | keltim | and marginally better tcsh |
| 05:20.14 | kalin00b | i have never found a need to chsh but i am aware of the ability |
| 05:20.32 | keltim | only commercial unix folks use it anymore |
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| 05:21.38 | qmr | thomas_d: https://ptpb.pw/bCEI |
| 05:21.49 | qmr | thomas_d: K&R is probably the place to start |
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| 05:24.03 | kalin00b | i just ran cat /etc/shells all i have is sh dash bash and rbash |
| 05:24.15 | kalin00b | shows how much i care about changing from bash |
| 05:24.16 | thomas_d | oh badass |
| 05:24.20 | thomas_d | nice once qmr |
| 05:24.26 | thomas_d | see irc is so much better than google :) |
| 05:24.41 | thomas_d | nice one* |
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| 05:26.59 | keltim | google is getting less useful for linux all the time ... always returning 10 year old shit. and if you choose 'past year' - nothing |
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| 05:27.03 | keltim | hah |
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| 05:27.26 | keltim | except debian because it stays the same, mostly |
| 05:28.10 | keltim | the distro that won't be named changes absolutely everything with every release it seems |
| 05:28.11 | DrakkenWarr | use duckduckgo.com or startpage.com |
| 05:28.24 | DrakkenWarr | you will usually get more relevant results |
| 05:28.35 | keltim | from duckduckgo? really? |
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| 05:29.40 | qmr | keltim: 7 year old debian solution -> still works exactl the same, heh |
| 05:29.41 | thomas_d | I'm trying to run a search on startpage.com now and it's just blank... |
| 05:29.58 | thomas_d | returning white blank page |
| 05:30.03 | thomas_d | so that sucks |
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| 05:30.36 | thomas_d | i think there's a gap in the market for a new lightweight not-lame search engine actually |
| 05:30.48 | keltim | qmr, yes, a thing of beauty. I was attempting to configure a multi button mouse the other day on U* and got about a dozen conflicting avenues of solving the issue, none of which worked, when this is a very simple thing figured out many years aho |
| 05:30.53 | thomas_d | google's got crappy hasnt it and all the others are balls... this is off-topic anyway i guess... |
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| 05:31.28 | kalin00b | stack overflow is my friend |
| 05:31.50 | keltim | ew I hate those karma sites |
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| 05:32.09 | keltim | "most popular" and "correct" are almost never the same thing |
| 05:32.41 | keltim | I frequently see the best answers at the bottom, posted months later, with no votes as well |
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| 05:32.46 | qmr | I'm pretty sure Google is collectively making everyone stupider. |
| 05:32.51 | keltim | it really is |
| 05:33.25 | keltim | back when it came out it solved the "pr0n problem" but I think the solution might be worse :/ |
| 05:33.34 | qmr | I saw something the other day about some update not working because of key issues. Top answer was to just remove all authentication |
| 05:33.37 | kalin00b | idk learning i couldnt just ask every stupid question in irc |
| 05:33.42 | kalin00b | people get sick of it |
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| 05:33.47 | kalin00b | google has a use |
| 05:33.50 | keltim | qmr, hah! on stacksomething? |
| 05:33.59 | qmr | keltim: yea |
| 05:34.06 | keltim | I see that kind of crap all the time |
| 05:34.07 | qmr | now I want to know what the pron problem is |
| 05:34.25 | keltim | qmr, how old are you? |
| 05:34.30 | qmr | kalin00b: IRC is collectively getting stupider too. or maybe I am just smarter. idk |
| 05:34.34 | qmr | keltim: 30. you? |
| 05:34.54 | kalin00b | kali linux channel is stupid as hell |
| 05:34.56 | keltim | back in like '99 or so, when google first came out, you could barely do a web search for anything without being buried in porn |
| 05:35.10 | qmr | kalin00b: Nothing wrong with asking questions, just do your homework first. That shows respect for the time of others. |
| 05:35.17 | keltim | because all the algorythms were based on site tags |
| 05:35.23 | kalin00b | i never understood why kali got such a bad rep til i started hanging out there |
| 05:35.54 | kalin00b | now i kinda see the stereotype of dumb script kiddies using it |
| 05:36.13 | keltim | I thought that was gentoo .. |
| 05:36.20 | keltim | or whatever it has become |
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| 05:37.47 | aaro | kali now based on ubuntu right? |
| 05:37.57 | kalin00b | its based on debian wheezy |
| 05:38.04 | qmr | keltim: hmm, my memories are more of having difficulty finding quality porn |
| 05:38.04 | kalin00b | was based on ubuntu when it was backtrack |
| 05:38.15 | keltim | qmr, there was that too |
| 05:38.20 | qmr | and trying to figure out how to scrub logs |
| 05:38.26 | kalin00b | i could never understand why i got so much grief for using a slightly modified kernel of debian with tools |
| 05:38.53 | keltim | I actually think u* started out well, they just went astray |
| 05:38.56 | kalin00b | then i started seeing the other people who use it and i can deal with the bad rep |
| 05:39.08 | shingouz | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 05:39.15 | keltim | kalin00b, what makes it attractive over stock debian? |
| 05:39.45 | kalin00b | support for updating its tools regularly so you don't have to constantly git clone new versions |
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| 05:39.50 | keltim | a lot of the issues that inspired all these debian spin offs aren't even relevant anymore |
| 05:39.56 | kalin00b | the packet injection kernel |
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| 05:40.28 | kalin00b | mostly the support for its tools though |
| 05:41.14 | kalin00b | originally it was just the hacker vm i happened to have a live cd of when i decided screw windows :) |
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| 05:41.30 | keltim | er, what exactly is the "packet injection kernel"? |
| 05:41.43 | kalin00b | kernel patched for wireless packet injection |
| 05:41.47 | keltim | cuz my kernel injects packets all the time |
| 05:41.51 | keltim | heh |
| 05:42.05 | kalin00b | specifically for wifi hacking |
| 05:42.07 | keltim | so it's optimized for breaking into wifi? |
| 05:42.10 | kalin00b | yes |
| 05:42.26 | kalin00b | its debian with that kernel modification and tools |
| 05:42.27 | shingouz | enlighten me, please. how exactly is all this related to debian support? |
| 05:42.35 | keltim | we're off topic |
| 05:42.40 | shingouz | very |
| 05:42.52 | kalin00b | someone asked why i use it just giving my 2c :) |
| 05:43.21 | shingouz | we have a special channel for that. check the /topic |
| 05:43.36 | kalin00b | its cool i wont go into it any more |
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| 05:43.52 | kalin00b | its pretty much wheezy so i can conversate about debian :P |
| 05:44.57 | upsideout | Hello there I have a qt package that I maintian when I build it with builldd <->wannabuild it does not build the docs though there is that in the make option |
| 05:45.30 | upsideout | how to override that ? dh_extra_make_command docs |
| 05:46.55 | upsideout | example https://github.com/JosephMillsAtWork/Qt-Public |
| 05:47.14 | upsideout | that is just the libs |
| 05:47.59 | upsideout | sorry wrong link https://github.com/bobweaver/QtPlugins |
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| 05:48.51 | upsideout | that is the on that has devian packaging |
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| 05:49.09 | upsideout | just not sure how to add the docs and what not to it |
| 05:49.28 | upsideout | needs to be install so that qtcreator can see it |
| 05:49.50 | upsideout | seems like the qmake var is off on dbuild |
| 05:50.11 | upsideout | not in my code because run commnd works great |
| 05:50.21 | upsideout | make install docs |
| 05:50.40 | kalin00b | ugh some of this red hat stuff on the 2nd exam i do not know |
| 05:51.04 | kalin00b | some of the conf files and stuff that i dont use on my home system |
| 05:51.06 | keltim | kalin00b, ask in #debian-offtopic |
| 05:51.15 | kalin00b | not gonna ask about it |
| 05:51.17 | keltim | I know RHEL |
| 05:51.20 | kalin00b | just saying generally |
| 05:51.45 | kalin00b | since im studying right now and half of these files i dont have to look at |
| 05:51.50 | themill | upsideout: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net would probably be a better place to ask -- the buildd does not normally build the arch-independent binary packages, only the arch-dependent ones |
| 05:53.50 | upsideout | themill, I have had wanna build and other things but yes sbuilder and dbuild along with some data base cool stuff. |
| 05:54.03 | upsideout | how to I irc.oftc.net |
| 05:54.08 | upsideout | do * |
| 05:54.28 | upsideout | I click on it and it does nothing |
| 05:54.41 | upsideout | but it is a <a> in the irc chat |
| 05:55.05 | upsideout | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.21 | upsideout | but I click on it and nothing happens in xchat |
| 05:55.28 | aaro | that's a different server |
| 05:56.24 | aaro | you do /connect irc.oftc.net |
| 05:56.25 | upsideout | so I have to join a different server ! how in the sam heck sponcered that ! 10 years ago . T/JK |
| 05:56.33 | upsideout | thanks aaa801 |
| 05:57.02 | upsideout | it says Permission Denied - You're not an IRC operato |
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| 05:57.40 | aaro | try /server instead |
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| 06:30.02 | alkisg | Is ther a jessie cd that offers mate-desktop? Or can I only install mate-desktop after the initial installation? |
| 06:31.23 | fernie | yes you can select mate on jessie di tasksel |
| 06:31.51 | alkisg | fernie: but which .iso should I download, if e.g. I don't have an internet connection during the installation? |
| 06:32.00 | alkisg | Or that's only an option for netinstalls? |
| 06:32.51 | fernie | umm, don't know that since i've only used the netinstall.. |
| 06:33.28 | alkisg | Thank you, I'll try to find the contents of the CDs somewhere so that I don't have to download them all and see :D |
| 06:34.44 | kalin00b | i had plain debian for a while and also had to use netinstall |
| 06:34.54 | kalin00b | for wireless firmware |
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| 06:36.47 | fernie | alkisg: I would guess that th normal cd would contain some basic gnome.. and since there are kde,xfce,lxde but no mate cds, I would download the dvd. Anyway you can select no desktop and install it later |
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| 06:37.54 | alkisg | fernie: thank you, I'll also check with #mate to see if they're thinking about providing a mate .iso... |
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| 06:43.07 | kalin00b | i NEVER set it up to be and have NO desire for it to be |
| 06:43.32 | kalin00b | should never a webpage with anything but iceweasel |
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| 08:41.01 | casy | hi |
| 08:45.22 | kalin00b | hola |
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| 08:48.44 | casy | kalin00b: i am new here.. |
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| 08:50.56 | htqp | Fahrradkette: what application / how to reproduce the segfault? |
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| 08:51.56 | Fahrradkette | OpenRA, I'm figuring out on how to reproduce atm |
| 08:52.37 | Fahrradkette | https://github.com/OpenRA/OpenRA/issues/7670 |
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| 10:06.22 | Catwiesel | any regex pro here? |
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| 10:07.52 | SynrGy | !anybody |
| 10:07.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 10:09.23 | Catwiesel | begs debian for forgiveness |
| 10:09.32 | Catwiesel | fail2ban-regex 'Connection closed by 192.168.0.2 [preauth]' 'Connection closed by <HOST> [preauth]$/' |
| 10:09.41 | Catwiesel | why doesnt this give me a match |
| 10:10.46 | SynrGy | [preauth] is a character class including the letters 'p', 'r', 'e', etc. |
| 10:11.04 | SynrGy | you need to backslash-quote the square-brackets because they are special |
| 10:11.10 | SynrGy | what is <HOST>? |
| 10:11.19 | SynrGy | is that special for fail2ban? |
| 10:11.23 | SynrGy | it's certainly not regex |
| 10:11.37 | SynrGy | is not a fail2ban user |
| 10:11.48 | Catwiesel | yeah, alias for |
| 10:11.48 | Catwiesel | # (?:::f{4,6}:)?(?P<host>[\w\-.^_]+) |
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| 10:12.54 | SynrGy | so anyway, there you go. quote the square-brackets \[preauth\] |
| 10:12.58 | SynrGy | and you should be fine |
| 10:13.25 | Catwiesel | "no match" |
| 10:14.12 | Catwiesel | but thanks i guess i can go on trying to get it to work |
| 10:14.56 | buu | Catwiesel: Is $/ meant to match end of line? |
| 10:15.10 | SynrGy | yeah, why is there no slash at the beginning and a slash at the end? |
| 10:15.26 | SynrGy | $ matches the end. |
| 10:15.42 | buu | Well, there's a perl variable occasionally named $/ |
| 10:15.43 | SynrGy | you should either have matched /.../ or not. |
| 10:16.07 | SynrGy | but this is single-quoted. |
| 10:16.14 | SynrGy | there's no variable expansion inside |
| 10:16.30 | Catwiesel | yeah, and i tried with and without $/ - the beginning of line is different, there is date, hosename, daemon name in the log which another regex is takeing care of |
| 10:16.34 | buu | Considering this is inside fail2ban I'm pretty sure it can do whatever it wants |
| 10:16.37 | DJJeff | wb Catwiesel |
| 10:16.45 | SynrGy | true, including eval |
| 10:16.47 | SynrGy | shrugs |
| 10:16.58 | buu | Catwiesel: Well, start with the simplest possible regex that matches then keep adding stuff |
| 10:17.21 | SynrGy | yep. divide and conquer |
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| 10:18.09 | Catwiesel | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.14 | Catwiesel | works |
| 10:18.21 | frikandel | guys i run wheezy but how can i change repository because i cannot run updates from us.debian.org |
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| 10:18.34 | SynrGy | Catwiesel: sure. so i'm thinking that trailing / is bogus |
| 10:18.43 | buu | frikandel: Change the urls in sources.list then? |
| 10:18.50 | frikandel | really new to this |
| 10:18.53 | Catwiesel | frikandel /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:19.16 | SynrGy | frikandel: "i cannot run updates from ..." <- describe the actual problem? |
| 10:19.30 | frikandel | i make a pastebin ok |
| 10:19.43 | SynrGy | sure. paste.debian.net or so. (anything but pastebin.com) |
| 10:20.05 | Catwiesel | pastebin is evil? |
| 10:20.08 | buu | Catwiesel: does '<HOST> \[preauth\]' match? |
| 10:20.10 | SynrGy | !pastebin.com |
| 10:20.11 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 10:20.23 | buu | pastebin is a giant pile of crap |
| 10:20.52 | Catwiesel | good to know |
| 10:21.12 | Catwiesel | fail2ban-regex 'Mar 27 23:41:15 kolab sshd[4458]: Connection closed by 192.168.0.2 [preauth]' 'Connection closed by <HOST> \[preauth\]$' WORKS |
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| 10:22.09 | buu | uh |
| 10:22.10 | frikandel | Failed to execute command 'export LANG=C; apt-get update 2>&1': Err http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy Release.gpg Something wicked happened resolving 'ftp.us.debian.org:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname) Err http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy-updates Release.gpg Something wicked happened resolving 'ftp.us.debian.org:http |
| 10:22.12 | buu | ok |
| 10:22.23 | frikandel | see |
| 10:22.44 | frikandel | am logged in as root with putty |
| 10:23.07 | Catwiesel | this is not a us.debian.org is broken and should be replaced with X error |
| 10:23.25 | frikandel | ? |
| 10:23.29 | frikandel | dont understand |
| 10:23.37 | Catwiesel | can you resolve us.debian.org ? |
| 10:23.52 | frikandel | i dont know that much thats why i am here :) |
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| 10:24.32 | Catwiesel | type in ping ftp.us.debian.org |
| 10:25.07 | Catwiesel | does it give an error or find the ip and start pinging? |
| 10:25.18 | Catwiesel | you can abort with strg+c |
| 10:25.35 | frikandel | ok but cant i just somehow add a server that works for sure |
| 10:26.11 | frikandel | unknown host |
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| 10:27.00 | Catwiesel | frikandel it looks like your internet connection is having trouble, so if you use another server, it still wont work |
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| 10:28.34 | frikandel | i am taling with you so i have internet |
| 10:28.58 | Catwiesel | you have an irc client on your debian machine running? |
| 10:29.14 | frikandel | no but its on same router |
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| 10:29.51 | frikandel | i reboot router and system |
| 10:29.54 | frikandel | see if helps |
| 10:30.04 | Catwiesel | that doesnt prove anytrhing. but go ahead, try to resolve ftp.de.debian.org and you will get unknown host again |
| 10:30.43 | frikandel | i believe you but strange is i can access my server with putty and it installed updates from mirror server while installing |
| 10:31.33 | Catwiesel | you connect to it over internet or is it locally connected? |
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| 10:32.14 | Catwiesel | look at its dns server settings |
| 10:32.18 | frikandel | yes |
| 10:32.32 | frikandel | it was dns i did put my card on manual ip and fargot the dns |
| 10:32.35 | frikandel | many thanks |
| 10:33.13 | Catwiesel | no problem |
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| 11:53.14 | gerforce | hello, i have a problem with Input Method. I installed scim platform first. According to the documentation files in /usr/share/doc/scim, i need to install scim-pinyin for chinese. But i can not install this package from apt. So where can i find this package? Is anything wrong with this package? And are there any steps to follow if the same kind of things happend? Thanks in advance! |
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| 12:02.01 | buu | gerforce: does scim-tables-zh help? |
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| 12:02.19 | buu | Or uh, scim-pinyin is in my apt list, so. |
| 12:03.05 | Fahrradkette | how do I tell apt to consider all three DVD.iso at once? Can I simply add "deb File:///media/dvd1/ jessie contrib main" "deb File:///media/dvd2/ jessie contrib main"? |
| 12:03.06 | gerforce | buu: i have installed scim-tables-zh. But i couldn't use "Pinyin" to input. |
| 12:03.16 | buu | gerforce: So what happens when you install scim-pinyin |
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| 12:04.47 | gerforce | buu: Package 'scim-pinyin' has no installation candidate |
| 12:04.48 | buu | Fahrradkette: dunno. apt-offline or apt-cdrom? |
| 12:05.13 | buu | gerforce: Which version of debian are you on? |
| 12:05.25 | gerforce | gernot: Wheezy |
| 12:05.34 | Fahrradkette | apt-cdrom is kinda made for one drive, i have to manually mount each DVD |
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| 12:06.11 | buu | gerforce: Have you updated recently? |
| 12:06.21 | gerforce | buu: Package scim-pinyin is not available, but is referred to by another package |
| 12:06.30 | gerforce | buu: yes of course |
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| 12:08.19 | gerforce | buu: This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 12:08.19 | gerforce | is only available from another source |
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| 12:08.35 | buu | weird |
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| 12:08.53 | gerforce | buu: that is also the information i got when i try to install scim-pinyin |
| 12:09.18 | buu | That is very weird |
| 12:09.34 | buu | gerforce: This may result in Great Evil descending upon you but you might try https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/scim-pinyin or https://packages.debian.org/jessie/scim-pinyin |
| 12:09.40 | buu | Don't blame me if it explodes. |
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| 12:11.38 | gerforce | buu: Does it mean i have to dis-upgrade? |
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| 12:12.04 | buu | Technically, no |
| 12:12.27 | buu | Maybe. All I'm saying is it might work. |
| 12:15.48 | gerforce | buu: yes. But how can i install a package in testing on stable? |
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| 12:17.10 | dvs | gerforce: You don't because you'll pull in testing |
| 12:17.16 | dvs | !backports |
| 12:17.16 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 12:18.36 | sigur | debian testing problem: if I shutdown X (via ctrl+alt+backspace or via i3 shortcut) the screen goes blank (well to be more precise it's all black), without the console (don't think it's the exact term). Anyway, the console is still there under "the darkness", since if I press arrow up and then enter, X starts again, for the last command I gave was startx |
| 12:18.41 | sigur | /var/log/Xorg doesn't say anything relevant (or at least nothing that I find relevant) |
| 12:18.46 | sigur | where should I look? |
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| 12:19.08 | gerforce | !debian-backports |
| 12:19.08 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
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| 12:20.18 | gerforce | dvs: so i only need to add backports repository to my source list and then i can install scim-pinyin? |
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| 12:21.02 | dvs | gerforce: if it's in backports |
| 12:21.12 | dvs | ,v scim-pinyin |
| 12:21.13 | judd | Package: scim-pinyin on i386 -- squeeze: 0.5.91-2; jessie: 0.5.92-3; sid: 0.5.92-3 |
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| 12:23.14 | dvs | !ssb |
| 12:23.14 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 12:27.43 | gerforce | dvs: i am working on it |
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| 12:42.12 | gerforce | !deb-src sid |
| 12:42.12 | dpkg | You can get apt to download source packages with a <deb-src> line in your <sources.list>. A suitable entry for the sid release is: "deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ sid main contrib non-free". Remember to "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list. |
| 12:43.34 | gerforce | !ssb |
| 12:43.35 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 12:43.58 | gerforce | !sid |
| 12:43.58 | dpkg | i heard sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 12:44.46 | curfont | If I have a disk that can only be seen by the kernel and not grub, is there any way to chainboot through an intermediate kernel or something? |
| 12:47.45 | gerforce | !bdo |
| 12:47.45 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
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| 12:48.17 | nkuttler | !tell gerforce about msg the bot |
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| 12:49.06 | gerforce | nkuttler: sorry for that! |
| 12:49.18 | nkuttler | gerforce: no problem at all |
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| 13:07.23 | netan | hi all, I have just installed jessie using the netinstaller but are not able to apt-get ssh, why ? |
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| 13:08.01 | netan | *' apt-get ssh' = 'sudo apt-get install ssh' |
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| 13:08.39 | Catwiesel | what is the error? |
| 13:08.48 | jair | hello all, my debian box froze and I don't get to enter the tty using the alt+F# I can ssh, and I can see in top that many other apps are running |
| 13:09.18 | jair | is there another way to drop into the console or none anymore using alt+# |
| 13:09.20 | netan | Catwiesel, E package 'ssh' have no installation candidate |
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| 13:09.39 | themill | netan: do you have a mirror in your sources.list? |
| 13:09.57 | gerforce | dvs: bingo i have installed scim-pinyin now. |
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| 13:11.13 | Catwiesel | and ran apt-get update ? |
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| 13:13.09 | netan | themill, I only have two lines in the top of the file uncommented, both going to security.debian.org, should I uncomment some other lines ? |
| 13:13.47 | themill | dpkg: tell netan about jessie sources.list |
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| 13:17.53 | netan | which line should I uncomment ? I have 2 alternative for "debian update" and 2 alternative for "debian backports" ? |
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| 13:18.33 | netan | I am unfortunally not able to cut and past from the VM I run the installation inside |
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| 13:19.10 | Catwiesel | usually you have the release main and the release/updates main and possibly release-updates main |
| 13:19.31 | Catwiesel | but i dont know about jessie |
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| 13:26.57 | themill | netan: it's 47 characters, you can type them. |
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| 14:30.36 | MrDetonia | Hello all. I'm rebuilding my PC ready for a fresh Debian install and was planning on having a ~250GB SSD for GRUB/Swap/OS and a ~1TB HDD for /home. Would the debian installer allow me to do this? |
| 14:30.48 | zinx | yes |
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| 14:31.16 | zinx | don't try to do that on windows >= vista though, it will fail to update properly and will likely cease functioning |
| 14:31.29 | zinx | Debian, and most other Linux distros though, totally fine |
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| 14:31.54 | zinx | the Debian installer will let you use as many drives as you want, and has LVM / RAID / luks / etc setup as well |
| 14:32.01 | MrDetonia | Cheers. My PC doesn't/won't have Windows installed so no worries there. |
| 14:32.23 | MrDetonia | I've never setup anything more complex than a single drive install before, so just wanted to check it would work before I buy :3 |
| 14:33.22 | zinx | yup, will work fine. you may need to do 'Manual' partitioning but one of the guided options may work, not sure. i personally would do manual anyway. |
| 14:33.54 | zinx | we can, of course, help you with that here if you don't know which partitions and/or sizes to go with |
| 14:34.02 | MrDetonia | Thanks. Will I need to fiddle around with block sizes/starts/ends in manual? Or does it have a nicer interface? |
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| 14:34.14 | MrDetonia | i.e. GParted style |
| 14:34.27 | zinx | it's more gparted style, but based on dialogs |
| 14:34.42 | MrDetonia | Okay that sounds fine. Thanks for the info |
| 14:34.50 | zinx | you should be fine with alignment unless you're planning on doing RAID |
| 14:35.16 | donofrio | so let see....who here does apt-clone or how would I take the package list from my source system (debian 7.0 x86) and just start my setup on my powerpc Debian destination system? I tried the dpkg way but just got this and no new packages paste.debian.net/163609 any advice welcomed.... |
| 14:35.17 | MrDetonia | Not for this setup no. |
| 14:35.26 | zinx | Debian automatically aligns to 1MB boundaries these days, and the installer lets you choose size so you don't have to add start+end / etc |
| 14:35.48 | zinx | i think it takes percentages as well. |
| 14:36.17 | zinx | (been a while since i've used all the features of the installer's partitioner ;) ) |
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| 14:37.08 | MrDetonia | Alright then, thanks. |
| 14:37.15 | zinx | np |
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| 14:43.13 | aphorise | When doing apt-get upgrade, etc..... can I exlucude a certian package not to be changed or removed in the process? |
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| 14:47.24 | centrx | aphorise, Yes, it's probably easier to use aptitude/dselect for that |
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| 14:47.53 | aphorise | centrx I dselect selection was a big puzzle |
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| 14:52.09 | MrDetonia | zinx, would there also be a way to have an additional ext4 HDD for backup, automounted at /mnt/backup or something? |
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| 14:52.33 | zinx | MrDetonia: yep |
| 14:53.04 | MrDetonia | So I could set that up in the manual partitioning section then? |
| 14:53.13 | zinx | MrDetonia: or you can set it up later |
| 14:53.40 | zinx | MrDetonia: might need extra stuff to handle the hotplug for it, definitely need stuff to be able to eject it properly before unplugging |
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| 14:54.19 | zinx | MrDetonia: but yes, you can set it up during partitioning and set up the hotplug later as well |
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| 14:55.03 | MrDetonia | zinx, awesome. I guess I would have a udev rule somewhere looking for the drive's GUID or something similar? |
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| 14:55.37 | zinx | MrDetonia: there are a few ways, i'm not well-versed enough in all of them to recommend one to you |
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| 14:56.23 | MrDetonia | Okay, I'll have a read around documentation and such. I have a week or so before I'll be installing, so no rush. |
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| 15:06.25 | donofrio | aptitude xargs seems to be working on target system, but getting of missing packages (how to make these non version type calls?) - paste.debian.net/163671 |
| 15:07.33 | d0uglas | hi folks, so my ISP graciously bumped my storage up from 100GB to 250GB, and I'd like to resize my main partition from 100 to the max. But it's not logical, so no lvm. Is there any way to resize the partition remotely (without something like knoppix to resizefs unmounted)? And if not, would it be a bad idea to create a logical partition with the new space, flag it bootable, move everything to that partition, delete the original partition, resize the new part |
| 15:07.42 | d0uglas | set it to mount on /, cross fingers and reboot? |
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| 15:08.20 | petn-randall | d0uglas: You can normally online resize a partition. |
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| 15:08.35 | donofrio | source system is mint17x86 build and target is debian7powerpc fwiw |
| 15:08.48 | d0uglas | petn: good to hear, so I should google up on this a little more |
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| 15:09.25 | petn-randall | d0uglas: However, since this partition table is the one where the root partition resides on, it won't be re-read by the kernel, thus you won't be able to do this. You can reboot to knoppix, resize the partition and then run 'resize2fs /dev/sdx1', sdx1 being your root partition. |
| 15:09.30 | petn-randall | d0uglas: petn<tab> |
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| 15:10.13 | d0uglas | Thing is, because it's a VPS at my ISP, I don't have the ability to boot with knoppix, at least not without begging/paying them to do this for me |
| 15:11.07 | d0uglas | petn-randall: So the new partition/resizing maneuver doesn't sound like a good idea? |
| 15:11.10 | tremon | donofrio: apparently mint and debian don't use the same package names |
| 15:11.44 | tremon | d0uglas: you can edit the partition table (careful not to change any partition start locations!), then reboot to make the kernel see the new partition sizes |
| 15:11.56 | tremon | obviously you can only resize the last partition on the disk that way |
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| 15:12.37 | donofrio | tremon: guessing the version info in the name perhaps throwing off process? how to strip version or get xargs to ignore it? |
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| 15:13.27 | d0uglas | tremon: I see.. so, especially not having a fresh local backup, well I guess I'll just create a new partition and move just one site I host that has a heavy amount of data to it and leave everything else alone. But if I do that, every time the hard drive needs to access the heavy site, and then has to access a file on the original partition, does it have to bounce back and forth more distance (will this hurt performance)? |
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| 15:14.13 | d0uglas | more distance, as in the drive's wand |
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| 15:14.56 | tremon | donofrio: it doesn't complain about version info, it complains about package names. e.g. firefox doesn't exist in any version of debian, and cups-browsed and cups-daemon only exist in debian testing, not in stable |
| 15:15.32 | donofrio | debian testing is 8.0? |
| 15:15.39 | tremon | yes |
| 15:15.46 | tremon | well no, not yet |
| 15:15.57 | tremon | it will be 8.0 when released though |
| 15:16.10 | donofrio | k I got netstall of 8 so I should reload and try reintegration again |
| 15:16.50 | donofrio | also is gnash almost as good as pepperflash yet? |
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| 15:18.34 | tremon | donofrio: you may still need a lot of manual matching of package names with their debian counterparts |
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| 15:20.54 | tremon | d0uglas: I wouldn't assume your VPS is running on a single harddisk. There's likely to be multiple layers of virtualization between your in-VM disk and your provider's storage |
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| 15:29.14 | desrt | dear debian: thanks for being awesome |
| 15:29.31 | desrt | installs freebsd-manpages and manpages-posix, because he can |
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| 15:50.16 | d0uglas | how can I modify apt's to-do list to tell it to forget about trying to install a particular package? is there a file, a queue somewhere? |
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| 15:51.41 | centrx | d0uglas, https://www.google.com/search?q=debian+mark+package+hold |
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| 15:51.58 | d0uglas | thanks |
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| 16:23.28 | teiT4ohc | looking for a program to create receipts, eg with item, quantity, price, amount tendered, and change given. any ideas? |
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| 16:30.17 | jhutchins | teiT4ohc: The only OS POS projects I know are commercial. |
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| 16:34.02 | jair | anyone hereuses also putty to connect remotely to their linux irssi session? |
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| 16:35.03 | wh0isthis | hi how do i change my motd for my linux? |
| 16:35.16 | jair | I have a windows pc at work and from there I connect to my debian box irssi, the issue is that the screen is bigger on my server and when I connect from the windows pc I can't read all the messages |
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| 16:45.31 | Zerock | What software would be recommended for monitoring security cameras? |
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| 16:47.27 | wh0isthis | so. why is "ps -x" a bad ps syntax? |
| 16:47.32 | wh0isthis | it says |
| 16:47.35 | wh0isthis | warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? |
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| 16:48.47 | jair | Zerock: that will be a good one to know, I am assuming you are looking for a free software solution? |
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| 16:49.54 | jordanm | wh0isthis: "x" is a BSD syntax option which doesn't use "-" |
| 16:50.16 | greenit | hi, can you recommend a good media player for KDE, which can play shoutcast-/online radios? |
| 16:50.27 | Zerock | jair: Correct. |
| 16:51.01 | s4ndm4n | greenit: Amarok |
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| 16:52.27 | greenit | s4ndm4n, thanks :) |
| 16:52.38 | s4ndm4n | greenit: No problem |
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| 17:25.52 | RoyK | how can I shrink my initrd to just contain what's needed? |
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| 17:31.31 | somiaj | RoyK: I think this is an option you can select when you configure initrd-tools (or one of the packages). |
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| 17:33.00 | RoyK | somiaj: dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools just rebuilt the thing |
| 17:33.06 | somiaj | hmm, I do recall during the install there is a question if you wanted the initrd.img to contain everything or just stuff specific to your system. But I can't seem to figure out what package you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure' on to answer that question the other way. Maybe it is a setting in /etc somewhere. |
| 17:33.57 | RoyK | somiaj: just installed this VM and didn't get such a question |
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| 17:34.38 | somiaj | RoyK: look at /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf (there is an option at the top to say what modules to include) |
| 17:34.44 | somiaj | RoyK: are you using wheezy or jessie? |
| 17:34.48 | RoyK | wheezy |
| 17:34.58 | somiaj | RoyK: normal or expert install? |
| 17:35.09 | RoyK | normal |
| 17:35.37 | RoyK | MODULES=dep may be the thing |
| 17:35.48 | somiaj | maybe it is an option in the expert install and not assoicated with a debconf question. Anyways I think that config file can be edited. You want to change MODULES=most to what ever best works for you. |
| 17:35.54 | peterrooney | RoyK: check your debconf priority - "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" , controls how many questions you are asked |
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| 17:36.20 | somiaj | peterrooney: though shouldn't a manual dpkg-reconfigure force debconf to ask you all questions for a package? |
| 17:36.20 | RoyK | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10866460 Mar 28 18:32 initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 17:36.28 | RoyK | went to -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2972686 Mar 28 18:35 initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 17:36.40 | RoyK | after changing to MODULES=dep |
| 17:36.44 | RoyK | let's see :) |
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| 17:40.39 | RoyK | just wanted to check how little memory I could need |
| 17:40.47 | RoyK | down to 50MB on this VM |
| 17:41.14 | RoyK | which is nice, since we'll need a few thousands of them to do stresstesting |
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| 17:41.44 | somiaj | RoyK: afiak the expert install would have asked you if you wanted to use most or dep during the install. Not that it matters at this point. |
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| 17:42.12 | RoyK | I generally just do a basic install and fix things later |
| 17:42.53 | RoyK | 50MB of RAM from kvm made the VM boot nicely |
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| 18:43.01 | Darksonn | In one of my terminal windows there is a mysterious command called _dd, yes with that underscore, what is that? I ran it by accident but it did nothing, it's only found in that one terminal window and which _dd prints nothing. |
| 18:43.05 | Darksonn | Any ideas? |
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| 18:47.31 | pfred1 | Darksonn type which _dd |
| 18:47.56 | Darksonn | pfred1: no output |
| 18:48.10 | SynrG | an alias defined in your .bashrc or so? |
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| 18:48.39 | pfred1 | yeah then it isn't a binary executable by itself like SynrG says an alias maybe |
| 18:48.44 | pfred1 | type alias |
| 18:48.49 | pfred1 | just type alias and enter |
| 18:49.01 | pfred1 | that will display all of your shell aliases |
| 18:49.06 | acx0 | also try 'type _dd' |
| 18:49.07 | Darksonn | pfred1: It's not metioned |
| 18:49.32 | Darksonn | acx0: oh, that gave some output |
| 18:49.39 | acx0 | what does it say |
| 18:49.45 | Darksonn | _dd is a function |
| 18:50.13 | Darksonn | and then the definition |
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| 18:50.57 | acx0 | now just search every file on your system for some substring of that function? idk |
| 18:50.59 | SynrG | there you go. so now you know what it does, right? :) |
| 18:52.01 | pfred1 | gdb _dd |
| 18:52.16 | pfred1 | debug it |
| 18:52.19 | acx0 | interesting, seems like the 'type' shell builtin in zsh doesn't print the source if the arg is a function, whereas in bash it will |
| 18:52.53 | Darksonn | http://pastebin.com/QfCJ4CZ8 |
| 18:53.00 | acx0 | do you guys know if shell built-ins have their own 'man' pages? |
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| 18:53.27 | acx0 | my usual approach for finding documentation on them is to just open the man page of the shell and search through their for builtins, but that's not always useful |
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| 18:53.57 | acx0 | Darksonn: looks like that's probably from some bash autocomplete script |
| 18:54.13 | acx0 | that's the script that's probably called when you try to tab complete dd |
| 18:54.38 | Darksonn | acx0: I did tabcomplete dd in that session, so that makes sense |
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| 18:54.55 | acx0 | my guess is that it would be defined in some file in /etc/bash_completion.d/ if you're curious |
| 18:55.21 | acx0 | oh cool, looks like it's only created after you type complete |
| 18:55.29 | acx0 | s/type/tab/ |
| 18:55.53 | Darksonn | acx0: yeah, I was mostly curious since it only appeared in one session, and I hadn't done anything interesting in that session except using dd |
| 18:56.08 | acx0 | must be the NSA /s |
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| 19:02.20 | pfred1 | ddd is pretty cool |
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| 19:05.02 | acx0 | pfred1: ddd? |
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| 19:06.02 | pfred1 | acx0 Description: The Data Display Debugger, a graphical debugger frontend |
| 19:06.49 | acx0 | I'm not gonna lie, I'm a professional "software engineer" and I've never used a debugger |
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| 19:07.10 | acx0 | if you asked me to use gdb right now I'd be completely clueless |
| 19:07.32 | pfred1 | ddd looks pretty if nothing else |
| 19:07.52 | acx0 | I'll definitely check out, sounds interesting |
| 19:07.58 | pfred1 | yeah it's slick |
| 19:08.48 | acx0 | anyone know if vim has some cool graphical/terminal UI for any debuggers? |
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| 19:09.46 | pfred1 | wow ddd is an Athena widget program |
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| 19:12.18 | acx0 | pfred1: this UI is bringing back memories of win9[58]... |
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| 19:14.41 | pfred1 | acx0 i think I may have actually built it and linked it against GTK at one time |
| 19:15.01 | pfred1 | the one i got from Debian is built against the Athena Widgets though |
| 19:15.10 | acx0 | ah |
| 19:15.15 | pfred1 | it does look kinda stoogy too |
| 19:15.41 | pfred1 | I'm gonna have to get the source and see if it'll build against a different widget set or not |
| 19:18.04 | acx0 | when I was in school I didn't mind spending a weekend trying to compile/tweak projects, but now I don't even bother |
| 19:18.31 | acx0 | I recall trying to setup the C++ google test framework for one of my projects a while back, probably wasted the better part of a weekend |
| 19:18.45 | acx0 | all because of some weird undocumented behaviour... well it was documented but in their mailing list... |
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| 19:20.23 | shay_shay | guys this is a support channel. may I suggest #debian-offtopic ? |
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| 19:25.54 | abrotman | oh .. |
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| 19:36.04 | sillysausage | anyone here use libreoffice? for some reason my dictionary is not working yet hunspell-en is installed |
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| 19:36.26 | sillysausage | it shows up in Tools > Options > Writing Aids too |
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| 19:40.16 | mentor | sillysausage: What are you expecting it to do that it isn't? |
| 19:41.55 | sillysausage | the wiggly red lines aren't appearing |
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| 19:42.10 | Tau | holy shit, my laptop webcam stopped working. |
| 19:42.12 | Tau | what could it be? |
| 19:42.16 | Tau | it was working other day. |
| 19:42.19 | sillysausage | and when I go into "Spelling and Grammar" it doesn't seeem to show it |
| 19:42.33 | sillysausage | but it's weird it shows it in libreoffice's options writing aids section |
| 19:42.59 | sillysausage | hunspell-en-us was automatically installed like it was supposed to be |
| 19:43.05 | sillysausage | im wondering if im missing something else |
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| 19:44.20 | sillysausage | hmm i was missing the actual "hunspell" package though |
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| 19:45.28 | Tau | shit. |
| 19:45.34 | sillysausage | nope that wasn't the problem |
| 19:45.43 | sillysausage | libreoffice probably doesn't call hunspell directly |
| 19:45.54 | mentor | sillysausage: Is the Hunspell Spellchecker enabled? Is a dictionary enabled? Is check spelling as you type enabled? |
| 19:46.12 | sillysausage | yeah when i try to enable spell checking as i type it does not show any dictionaries in there |
| 19:46.20 | sillysausage | but it does when i go under options writing aids |
| 19:46.26 | sillysausage | it shows hunspell is available |
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| 19:47.41 | sillysausage | Tools >> Options >> Language Settings >> Languages |
| 19:47.47 | sillysausage | shows Default - English (USA) |
| 19:48.00 | sillysausage | and Writing Aids shows "Hunspell SpellChecker" |
| 19:48.09 | sillysausage | with the user defined dictionaries etc |
| 19:48.17 | sillysausage | "Check spelling as you type" is also selected |
| 19:48.28 | sillysausage | however it isn't doing it |
| 19:48.39 | abrotman | !enter |
| 19:48.39 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 19:48.50 | abrotman | sillysausage: have you looked at the libreoffice docs? perhaps it needs a different package? |
| 19:48.50 | sillysausage | sorry :) |
| 19:49.09 | sillysausage | well these were the default ones pulled in by cinnamon actually |
| 19:49.27 | abrotman | sillysausage: which version of Debian is this? |
| 19:49.34 | sillysausage | jessie :P |
| 19:49.45 | sillysausage | it could be a problem with the package hmm |
| 19:49.51 | abrotman | sillysausage: checked the BTS? looked in /usr/share/doc/libreoffice-writer/ ? |
| 19:49.57 | sillysausage | on arch i just installed hunspell :P |
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| 19:51.45 | sillysausage | yeah doesn't seem to be anything in there that gives away what could be the problem |
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| 19:52.19 | mentor | Is the right dictionary selected for the hunspell checker |
| 19:52.51 | sillysausage | yes |
| 19:53.15 | sillysausage | it shows it in writing aids and in languages from the menu |
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| 19:55.52 | sillysausage | ie Tools > Language > For all text > English |
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| 19:56.18 | sillysausage | what is weird is the "Spelling and Grammar" bit shows nothing in the "Text language" combo box |
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| 20:01.14 | sillysausage | i think i figured it out |
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| 20:02.14 | sillysausage | under Tools >> Options >> Language Settings >> Languages >> Default languages for documents >> Western |
| 20:02.28 | sillysausage | it had by default selected English (mylocale) |
| 20:02.47 | sillysausage | however English (USA) is the only one that has the little ABC tick icon next to it. |
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| 20:03.06 | sillysausage | the weird thing is i thought the hunspell-en package actually included it for all english locales |
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| 20:05.42 | sillysausage | ah, seems i needed some myspell-en-<my locale> package |
| 20:06.01 | sillysausage | http://askubuntu.com/questions/508096/how-can-i-get-hunspell-to-use-australian-english |
| 20:06.13 | sillysausage | thanks mentor |
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| 20:18.08 | Darksonn | I have 8 partitions on my drive, I want to keep 1,2,3,4,7,8 the current system is on 7 and has swap on 8, how can I delete partitions 5 and 6 and resize so remaining space is allocated to 7? |
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| 20:21.25 | valdyn | Darksonn: delete 5,6,7 or 4,5,6 and recreate one in that new space |
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| 20:29.13 | donofrio | anyone here dabble in PPC and Debian8 I netinstalled it just now but instead of the xdesktop I just see the mouse moving but northing more |
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| 20:30.43 | Darksonn | donofrio: what's in ~/.xinitrc |
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| 20:32.45 | horsik | http://poststuff6.entensity.net/032715/DONT-TOUCH-ME.php |
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| 20:32.55 | horsik | VOTY 2015 |
| 20:33.16 | horsik | best actor award scoops the dog for its brilliant performance |
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| 20:34.11 | abrotman | horsik: Do you need help with Debian? |
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| 20:36.19 | pfred1 | I need Debian help |
| 20:36.23 | polyphagia | i don't think so abrotman he's posting porn lol |
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| 20:36.39 | centrx | !ask |
| 20:36.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 20:37.36 | pfred1 | OK how do I get tab completion to behave the way it is supposed to? |
| 20:38.08 | babilen | How does what it does right now differ from what you think is the way it is supposed to behave? |
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| 20:38.38 | pfred1 | babilen first off I do not htink it is supposed to behave any way. I know what it is supposed to do |
| 20:38.40 | enlightified | My wifi gets disconnected whenever I turn on bluetooth. |
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| 20:38.56 | donofrio | Darksonn: I'll check |
| 20:38.58 | centrx | pfred1, It sounds like it's not working? |
| 20:39.01 | pfred1 | babilen so you can just change your tune right there |
| 20:39.31 | pfred1 | I've been running LInux for 20 years now and tab completition has always worked a certain way |
| 20:39.53 | babilen | pfred1: I don't quite follow, have you installed bash-completion and uncommented the bit in our bashrc or enabled it in /etc/bash.bashrc ? |
| 20:40.05 | pfred1 | now all of a sudden when I tab twice on a blank line all I get is beeps |
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| 20:40.45 | enlightified | I have a Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565. I get authentication timeout when I have the bluetooth enabled. |
| 20:41.07 | pfred1 | babilen nothing is commented out of /etc/bash.bashrc to make tab completition to not work |
| 20:41.24 | babilen | pfred1: Do you have "bash-completion" installed? |
| 20:41.32 | pfred1 | yes |
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| 20:42.01 | enlightified | any ideas? |
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| 20:42.12 | babilen | pfred1: And you either uncommented the bit in /etc/bash.bashrc or in your ~/.bashrc that sources /usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion ? |
| 20:42.18 | pfred1 | $ aptitude show bash-completion State: installed |
| 20:42.28 | enlightified | Oh and I am on jessie. |
| 20:42.34 | pfred1 | babilen no it was never commented out |
| 20:42.59 | babilen | pfred1: Okay, do you get the behaviour you want if you run "source /usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion" ? |
| 20:43.12 | pfred1 | babilen completion works except for a blank line |
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| 20:43.32 | babilen | There is nothing to complete? |
| 20:43.51 | centrx | actually looks like it's doing the same thing on my computer |
| 20:44.04 | pfred1 | babilen then cmpletion should give a message that says, Display all XXX possibilities (y n) |
| 20:44.06 | centrx | Used to be if the line was blank, it showed all possible commands when pressing Tab |
| 20:44.20 | babilen | Yes, that is the behaviour on wheezy |
| 20:44.27 | pfred1 | not it isn't |
| 20:44.33 | babilen | pfred1: Which version of bash-completion do you have installed? |
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| 20:44.40 | pfred1 | Version: 1:2.0-1 |
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| 20:45.14 | babilen | pfred1: I see exactly that behaviour on wheezy boxes, but not on jessie/sid |
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| 20:45.37 | pfred1 | babilen I've never seen anything quite like this before myself |
| 20:45.47 | centrx | I'm seeing it on jessie |
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| 20:46.55 | enlightified | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.10 | babilen | Yes, I tried three different wheezy boxes and two unstable ones and the behaviour is consistent in that I get "empty line completion" on wheezy and "no completion" on unstable |
| 20:47.34 | babilen | I'd also argue that one doesn't want to complete an empty line |
| 20:47.37 | centrx | enlightified, yeah I don't know much about Bluetooth |
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| 20:47.45 | pfred1 | yeah somehow i got the unstable completion |
| 20:48.03 | babilen | pfred1: 1:2.0-1 is not the version in unstable, that would be 1:2.1-4 |
| 20:48.03 | Darksonn | I'm on jessie, and there's no completion when I complete on an empty line |
| 20:48.10 | pfred1 | babilen you can argue all you want but it wil lfall on deaf ears here |
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| 20:48.28 | pfred1 | I want the behavior I am used to |
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| 20:49.03 | master | so uh, how come g++ in debian doesn't do C++11? |
| 20:49.28 | abrotman | master: which version of gcc does C++11? |
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| 20:49.40 | babilen | pfred1: You should have that with the version of bash-completion/bash you said you are using. Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy bash-completion" and "dpkg -l 'bash*'" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 20:49.42 | AngloSomalian | Thank you Jessie the Messiah still four days to wait until you come down to us!!! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 20:50.06 | babilen | AngloSomalian: Please refrain from that in this channel |
| 20:50.25 | master | abrotman, no idea |
| 20:50.34 | abrotman | master: so that might answer your question |
| 20:50.43 | pfred1 | babilen I jusr sshed into my other debian box and I get the same thing |
| 20:50.52 | master | abrotman, no not really, why would a major distro use an outdated compiler? |
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| 20:51.08 | AngloSomalian | babilen: curse on you! you are a non-believer! |
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| 20:51.20 | pfred1 | babilen I am going to see if i can downgrade bash-completion |
| 20:51.38 | centrx | lively crowd |
| 20:51.39 | babilen | pfred1: Downgrade to what? Why don't you paste the requested information? |
| 20:51.39 | abrotman | master: how do you know it's outdated? Which version of GCC does what you want? |
| 20:51.52 | pfred1 | babilen I already gave yo uthe version |
| 20:52.01 | abrotman | dpkg: tell master about meaning of stable |
| 20:52.07 | babilen | pfred1: I have not only been asking about the version |
| 20:52.33 | abrotman | master: it appears Jessie will support it, from what I can tell. |
| 20:52.37 | pfred1 | babilen well I am thinking that might be the problem I do have backports going so maybe i just pulled too new a version |
| 20:52.56 | babilen | pfred1: Yes, so if you would be so kind to just paste the output of the commands I mentioned ... |
| 20:53.05 | master | abrotman, it looks like 4.7 supports C++11 |
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| 20:53.16 | master | i am using 4.7.2 on wheezy |
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| 20:54.50 | enlightified | centerx: the bluetooth is ok! the wireless goes off though when I turn the bluetooth on. |
| 20:55.07 | pfred1 | babilen http://paste.debian.net/163713/ |
| 20:55.41 | donofrio | paste.debian.net/163714 |
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| 20:56.10 | master | abrotman, my apologies -- after reading into this more it appears my greivance is with the GCC devs and not the distro maintainers. as usual. |
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| 20:56.16 | enlightified | how can I tell if the correct drivers are installed for the wireless? |
| 20:56.31 | keltim | enlightified, dmesg may help |
| 20:56.34 | pfred1 | enlightified lspci -v |
| 20:56.38 | keltim | or dmesg -e |
| 20:56.55 | keltim | pfred1, lscpi doesn't know anything about drivers |
| 20:57.09 | pfred1 | keltim it does with the -v switch |
| 20:57.21 | keltim | er, really? hold on |
| 20:57.29 | enlightified | Thanks. |
| 20:57.32 | keltim | well damn me |
| 20:57.48 | keltim | Haven't used it in a while I guess |
| 20:57.53 | pfred1 | Driver in use: |
| 20:57.57 | keltim | yes I see |
| 20:58.02 | keltim | it used to not do that |
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| 20:58.10 | pfred1 | one stop shopping |
| 20:58.15 | babilen | pfred1: That looks perfectly fine, not sure why that behaves differently. I can tell you that a downgrade won't help as you already have the version with the behaviour you'd like to achieve |
| 20:58.15 | keltim | quite convenient |
| 20:58.56 | babilen | enlightified, keltim: "lspci -knn" might also be of interest |
| 20:59.05 | pfred1 | babilen yeah if i say there's a problem there's usualy a problem |
| 20:59.14 | keltim | oh with sudo it even gives you the load time options |
| 20:59.44 | babilen | pfred1: Have I ever implied otherwise? |
| 20:59.49 | pfred1 | I evne added some crap to some other home dir dot file that was supposed to clear it up and it didn't |
| 21:00.04 | babilen | very specific :) |
| 21:00.15 | pfred1 | don't matter coz it didn't work anyways |
| 21:00.25 | akira_ | :) |
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| 21:01.27 | enlightified | lspci gives me "Kernel driver in use: ath9k" now how do I know if ath9k loads the correct firmware for the device? |
| 21:01.40 | keltim | heh, interesting to finally see all the drivers for the various chips I never pay attention to |
| 21:01.45 | babilen | You'd look in dmesg |
| 21:01.59 | pfred1 | in ~/.inputrc set mark-symlinked-directories on ; set show-all-if-ambiguous on ; set show-all-if-unmodified |
| 21:02.10 | pfred1 | all of the semieds on seperate lines of course |
| 21:02.23 | enlightified | dmesg tells me: wlan0: association with <mac address> timed out |
| 21:02.39 | pfred1 | I hate wireless |
| 21:02.41 | enlightified | which is the main problem I think. |
| 21:02.48 | Fahrradkette | Is there a way to tell apt to use all three DVD.iso at once? using apt-cdrom is a bit annoying since I have to mount each manually. Something like "deb File:///media/cdrom1/ ... " "deb File:///media/cdrom2/ ..." |
| 21:02.48 | enlightified | me too :) |
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| 21:02.54 | keltim | pfred1, finally someone with sense |
| 21:02.54 | pfred1 | I ran cat5 all over my house because of that |
| 21:03.11 | keltim | pfred1, my office is all wireless, it is a nightmare |
| 21:03.19 | pfred1 | wire is better |
| 21:03.28 | enlightified | pfred1: but what can we do? we can't live with it and we can't live without it. |
| 21:03.32 | pfred1 | though i just had a bizarre problem with it the other day |
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| 21:03.47 | keltim | I like it as a convenience, but I hate depending on it to work |
| 21:03.52 | pfred1 | I updated my PC and warm rebooted it and the network wouldn't come back up |
| 21:04.04 | pfred1 | but when i shut it down completely it worked |
| 21:04.12 | pfred1 | go figure! |
| 21:04.43 | keltim | what I *would* love to be wireless is my home stereo, namely speaker wires, but I'm off topic |
| 21:04.50 | pfred1 | I was doing all kinds of stuff to try to get a dhcp IP |
| 21:05.30 | enlightified | We really should come up with an open source hardware which is straight forward to use. |
| 21:05.44 | pfred1 | fully shutting the system off and booting it up and it was fine |
| 21:05.49 | keltim | enlightified, what a wireless chipset and radio? |
| 21:06.00 | enlightified | The problem is all this new flashy technology that the companies make. |
| 21:06.06 | enlightified | Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 |
| 21:06.14 | pfred1 | I guess maybe my NIC got into a bad firmware state somehow? |
| 21:06.29 | keltim | I think there is at least something approximating, or at least friendly. But then intel is very linux friendly and their wireless drivers kind of suck |
| 21:06.37 | enlightified | keltim, it works with the bluetooth off. |
| 21:06.52 | keltim | oh yeah why is bluetooth still so horrible? |
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| 21:06.57 | enlightified | But goes off once I turne it back on. |
| 21:06.58 | pfred1 | Intel with all of their trillions could do more for Linux |
| 21:07.13 | keltim | why would anyone want their input devices to ever disconnect, for any reason? |
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| 21:07.33 | enlightified | Actually the bt wouldn't work at all before, I filed a bug report, cross referencing an ubuntu patch and it was fixed. |
| 21:07.35 | Darksonn | pfred1: this might have an effect on your bash completion: shopt -u no_empty_cmd_completion |
| 21:07.51 | pfred1 | Darksonn in bashrc? |
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| 21:08.06 | enlightified | The hardware is newish, should I file a bug report? |
| 21:08.07 | keltim | enlightified, well I think the whole thing is a shambles, not really the linux implementation, but I could be wrong. |
| 21:08.10 | Darksonn | pfred1: try running it in a shell and see if it changes anything |
| 21:08.37 | pfred1 | Darksonn still beeps was worth a shot though thanks |
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| 21:09.10 | pfred1 | maybe there is something whacky in my environment? |
| 21:09.18 | Darksonn | pfred1: oh well |
| 21:09.31 | enlightified | keltim: I agree the last problem with my bt was to do with an incompatibility between usb3 and the firmware. The vendor had fixed it by inserting manual delays! |
| 21:10.07 | pfred1 | ONG my environment is 6266 lines long! |
| 21:10.10 | keltim | anyone have recs no a bluetooth adapter for linux? One preferably with an option like "Don't ever disconnect my shit, asshole" |
| 21:10.14 | pfred1 | what is that all about? |
| 21:10.36 | pfred1 | what causes my shell environment to be so long today? |
| 21:10.39 | enlightified | Actually I currently use a separate bluetooth dongle and everything is good, I just get the urge to scratch my bluetooth itch every once in a while! |
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| 21:11.34 | keltim | enlightified, what do you use it for? I have headphones, which are tolerable, but I'd like other things, but they always disconnect forcing me to fiddle with it every time I want to use something |
| 21:12.05 | keltim | wire clutter is ugly, but at least it doesn't waste my time |
| 21:12.11 | pfred1 | someone should write a bluetooth utility and call it whitestrip |
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| 21:12.26 | enlightified | I was just testing the wiimote. |
| 21:12.41 | pfred1 | because who really likes blue teeth anyways? |
| 21:12.43 | enlightified | otherwise its the headphones. |
| 21:12.43 | keltim | pfred1, why whitestrip? |
| 21:12.54 | keltim | oh n/m |
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| 21:13.42 | pfred1 | keltim whitestrip would fix your blueteeth |
| 21:14.30 | keltim | but the headphones are irritating too, because if I ever leave my desk (I use them at work) and come back they've turned off, and I forget, and subject my workmates to Bach or whatever it is I'm listening to, usually something no one else likes :) |
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| 21:15.16 | pfred1 | Bach is rather vulgar |
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| 21:15.21 | keltim | lol |
| 21:15.29 | pfred1 | is more of a VIvaldi fan |
| 21:15.51 | keltim | although he was a priest, he was certainly more vulgar than Bach |
| 21:15.57 | keltim | all those racy operas |
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| 21:17.27 | enlightified | It's funny how there is so many things we can fix with a good protocal. It's so easy for example to sense when a bt device is near and just reconnect. It's a shame that we are not there yet. |
| 21:17.42 | keltim | it really is |
| 21:18.29 | keltim | I don't care if it drains the batteries, as if fetching a new set of batteries is worse than having to fetch a wired keyboard everytime the keyboard disconnects, which is several times a day |
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| 21:20.18 | pfred1 | I've given up on wireless keyboards and mice now too |
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| 21:20.23 | enlightified | Well actually my wireless keyboard does this, (its a genius with a one of those omni connect dongles). and the batteries last at least a year (that's how long I've had them). |
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| 21:23.49 | enlightified | pfred1: sorry it's not genius, its logitech |
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| 21:24.45 | pfred1 | enlightified yeah i have an el cheapo logitech wireless keyboard and mouse combo and they stopped working on me |
| 21:25.08 | pfred1 | even when they worked they had like no range |
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| 21:25.26 | pfred1 | danged wire would work further away |
| 21:25.46 | keltim | I'm going to run wire under my house at some piont |
| 21:25.47 | enlightified | pfred1: I use this : http://www.pccomponentes.com/logitech_wireless_combo_mk270.html |
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| 21:26.13 | pfred1 | keltim I did it I have to redo it because one of my PCs wouldn't work with my router connected directly up to it |
| 21:26.15 | keltim | for optical to the stereo and cat5 or maybe 6 |
| 21:26.18 | enlightified | standard keyboard and I don't remeber if I have changed the batteries in a year or not. I changed the mouse once. |
| 21:26.29 | enlightified | The mouse battery! |
| 21:26.45 | enlightified | But it has been super reliable, wish the bt was as reliable. |
| 21:27.04 | pfred1 | keltim so I had to run it to this other switch first. now I have a new router and I'm hoping i can just hook it up direct plus i have another switch up where that system is now |
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| 21:27.30 | pfred1 | keltim I have PCs from 3 levels going |
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| 21:28.11 | keltim | tough with wireless. I do have wireless now, but it isn't a very good solution for feeding net access from the back of the house to the front |
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| 21:28.26 | keltim | I at least needs cable to attach the AP's to |
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| 21:28.50 | pfred1 | there's an unused air duct in the house and i was able to drop a rire from it all the way into the crawlspace |
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| 21:29.30 | pfred1 | then up in the attic I drilled into a wall header and dropped it down the wall to a jack |
| 21:30.14 | keltim | I'm just going to run under the house, but drilling holes in the flooring is somewhat unpalatable |
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| 21:30.46 | mtn | !offtopic |
| 21:30.46 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 21:30.59 | master | !netsplit |
| 21:30.59 | dpkg | A netsplit is a deliberate disconnection between at least two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it is preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
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| 21:31.00 | keltim | I guess I could run it through the attic, but would have to fish them through the walls |
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| 21:31.10 | pfred1 | mtn yeah no one that runs Debian networks I get it |
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| 21:31.21 | keltim | and smashing up the plaster is prob worse than holes in the floor |
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| 21:32.37 | pfred1 | keltim I have sheetrock walls not lath and plaster |
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| 21:33.24 | enlightified | mtn: i asked the guys to help me fix my wireless and they were telling me how to drill hole to get the wire across. :) |
| 21:33.38 | keltim | yeah. actually, making small holes in the plaster isn't so bad, it is actually rather easy to repair |
| 21:33.40 | mtn | enlightified: hardly seems related to debian, but whatever |
| 21:33.51 | pfred1 | heck I even drilled a hole in my foundation to get a wire out into the garage |
| 21:34.13 | pfred1 | mtn well without all I'm talking about I wouldn't evne be here right now |
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| 21:34.27 | mtn | could care less with the silly drivel |
| 21:34.28 | pfred1 | because I'm using that wire |
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| 21:34.45 | pfred1 | mtn then do me a favor and /ignore me |
| 21:34.55 | keltim | mtn, it is debian that is travelling throught these holes we're talking about |
| 21:34.59 | pfred1 | because you're going on my ignore list right now |
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| 21:35.06 | enlightified | I got to go. I'll leave the bt alone for now. maybe it will be fixed soon. good night. |
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| 21:35.38 | pfred1 | mtn see ya in about 10 years when I reload this system |
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| 21:36.22 | keltim | I understand the channel rules but you have to be sociably sometimes ... no one is asking for support |
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| 21:38.23 | Lugal | Hi |
| 21:38.34 | Lugal | can anyone help me? |
| 21:38.46 | dvs | Nope. We cant read minds |
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| 21:38.55 | pfred1 | dvs speak for yourself |
| 21:38.59 | Lugal | I need an life usb |
| 21:39.00 | dvs | heh |
| 21:39.15 | Lugal | that is secure enough for online banking, so it must be able to do updates |
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| 21:39.19 | Lugal | how to do it? |
| 21:39.35 | pfred1 | if you have enough RAM you can update a live session |
| 21:39.54 | pfred1 | you need oh I'd say at least 4GB |
| 21:39.56 | Lugal | but then I have to update it after each reboot? |
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| 21:40.14 | pfred1 | I didn't say it was practical |
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| 21:40.49 | pfred1 | but I've done it for laughs |
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| 21:41.21 | Lugal | but can I do life USB able of doing permanent updates? |
| 21:41.24 | pfred1 | plus if it is a kernel update you're not oging to get that |
| 21:42.03 | pfred1 | Lugal that would be a nice feature |
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| 21:43.10 | Lugal | the problem is, if I install normal debian on USB, then its tooooo slow |
| 21:43.17 | pfred1 | there's only one live session I know of that has some perssitence and it isn't Debian it still cna't update system files either I don't think |
| 21:43.35 | enlightified | Lugal: it's better if you get a big usb (16 gb or 32 gb) and install a linux on that. It will be updatable and all. |
| 21:44.02 | Lugal | but its extremly slow |
| 21:44.12 | Lugal | is there a way to install a linux on USB being fast? |
| 21:44.17 | pfred1 | yeah that you could do just install a complete system onto a flash drive |
| 21:44.58 | Lugal | its really extremly slow |
| 21:45.00 | enlightified | If you use a usb3 it should be faster than the old solid state hard drives. |
| 21:45.20 | pfred1 | me root is only 22GB I'm only using 11GB of it now too |
| 21:45.21 | enlightified | If you use a usb2, yes it will be slow. |
| 21:45.44 | Lugal | I have only USB2 |
| 21:45.46 | Lugal | :'( |
| 21:46.12 | pfred1 | Lugal once you run a program Linux should cache it in RAM for you so things should pick up speed as you go along |
| 21:46.12 | Lugal | can I not combine normal installation with life? |
| 21:46.28 | enlightified | There is no easy way then :(. The only way is you cook up something yourself. |
| 21:46.48 | enlightified | life = live btw :) |
| 21:46.57 | Lugal | ok^^ |
| 21:47.07 | enlightified | On debian it seems no. I searched once before. |
| 21:47.11 | pfred1 | I kinda like life |
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| 21:47.46 | enlightified | It can be done, but someone would have to put some time on it. |
| 21:47.46 | pfred1 | Debian the distribution for Life |
| 21:48.20 | pfred1 | I tried to make an init system once good luck with that |
| 21:48.32 | pfred1 | its a lot of work |
| 21:48.44 | enlightified | Maybe you could stick in a pci usb3 card? |
| 21:49.14 | enlightified | pfred1: yeah I'd guess you'd need team of 10 or so. |
| 21:49.27 | enlightified | It's not a one man job. |
| 21:49.42 | pfred1 | oh people do it when i tried it was back in the floppy disk days I figured it is all on a floppy how hard can it be? |
| 21:50.11 | pfred1 | after 3 days I was thinking pretty danged hard |
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| 21:50.37 | Lugal | how long can I use the stable 7.8 debian (lxde) without updates, without going a security risk? I mean only visiting safe websites |
| 21:50.41 | enlightified | To do something that can be done reliably on many different computers I am sure its hard to do. |
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| 21:51.01 | valdyn | Lugal: how would anyone know that? |
| 21:51.17 | keltim | Lugal, I don't know for sure, but there are probably usb3 jump drives that are at least faster than normal ones, but generall usb drives are very slow. But faster than CD's |
| 21:52.22 | keltim | speaking of many computers ... is debian's insistence on supporting so many arches dragging things? I know in the past it did, sometimes |
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| 21:52.45 | keltim | I don't see any issues with that currently though |
| 21:53.33 | valdyn | keltim: architectures with to few build systems become unsupported (almost) automatically now |
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| 21:54.07 | keltim | valdyn, IIRC, sometimes it was actually code .. I seem to remember XFree being a real problem back in the day |
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| 21:55.22 | Lugal | ok, thanks guys, cya |
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| 22:03.17 | amd | Hello everyone! |
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| 22:03.27 | amd | I have a question about the system UEFI... On PC I installed LMDE, before I had mint 17.1... For the installation I created a pendrive using the dd command, and I started to UEFI... I created a table GPT and two partitions a fat32 and ext4... However with both systems I have seen is used grub anyway... |
| 22:03.36 | amd | My question, so it makes sense to use the UEFI ? There is no way to install LMDE with EFistub or similar ? Since use only mint... |
| 22:03.47 | centrx | !mint |
| 22:03.47 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 22:04.18 | centrx | amd, Short answer is just disable UEFI in the BIOS, it's useless |
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| 22:09.01 | amd | I don't have just found help in mint channel... and I thought I'd ask here... |
| 22:09.07 | amd | why is useless ? |
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| 22:18.58 | keltim | UEFI is most certainly not useless ... what are you talking about? |
| 22:19.22 | dvs | keltim: centrx said UEFI is useless |
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| 22:19.29 | keltim | Yes I see |
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| 22:20.10 | keltim | Sometimes when I hear an opinion like that I'm not sure if I'm listening to a crank or someone who really knows what they're talking about |
| 22:20.25 | amd | Is possiple replace a grub with a EFIstub ? Or more light bootloader |
| 22:20.51 | keltim | amd, not sure ... why would you want to? |
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| 22:22.28 | amd | Are not practical irc... Sorry... you can not see my question? |
| 22:22.43 | amd | I have a question about the system UEFI... On PC I installed LMDE, before I had mint 17.1... For the installation I created a pendrive using the dd command, and I started to UEFI... I created a table GPT and two partitions a fat32 and ext4... However with both systems I have seen is used grub anyway... |
| 22:22.43 | amd | <amd> My question, so it makes sense to use the UEFI ? There is no way to install LMDE with EFistub or similar ? Since use only mint... |
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| 22:24.12 | keltim | I don't understand the problem. What exactly is the problem you're trying to solve? |
| 22:26.41 | amd | If it makes sense to use grub with UEFI? Or is it better 1) Do not use UEFI 2) Use UEFI bootloader with a lighter |
| 22:26.51 | babilen | take it to the mint channel please |
| 22:27.11 | keltim | fair enough |
| 22:27.20 | keltim | or a hardware channel |
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| 22:31.24 | amd | Ok ... But even if I install debian I would have the same question |
| 22:31.35 | teraflop | ^ |
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| 23:09.43 | qmr | Does anyone know of magic such that I can have a VM on SSD with lazy async RAID-ish auto backup to HDD? I'll be using Xen or KVM. |
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| 23:12.59 | centrx | keltim, What do you find useful about UEFI? |
| 23:13.17 | tethra | qmr: use lvm, have a physical volume (pv) for the SSD and one for the HDD |
| 23:13.31 | tethra | you can then take a copy on write snapshot of the LV and put it on the HDD |
| 23:13.35 | keltim | abstraction from the cpu ... GPT, a few other things |
| 23:13.42 | teraflop | qmr: may be brtfs with subvols? if you consider lazy enough btrfs send | btrfs receive |
| 23:13.55 | tethra | it's a relatively common backup strategy |
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| 23:14.13 | keltim | there are system boards out now that don't even have to be connected to a computer to update them for ex. |
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| 23:14.18 | tethra | teraflop: can you tell btrfs to store its subvolumes on specific media? |
| 23:14.19 | qmr | tethra: Yes, was considering just doing cow snapshots every whenever... 4-6 hours I guess |
| 23:14.41 | qmr | teraflop: Maybe. not sure if i want to use btrfs for production though. I trust it with my stuff, but I'm adventerous |
| 23:14.56 | teraflop | tethra: yes but i think there is no need for doing so |
| 23:15.07 | keltim | centrx, are you talking about UEFI vs traditional PC bios, or something else? |
| 23:15.11 | qmr | Basically I want to maximize SSD usage by having VMs on 1 SSD instead of RAID, but have some auto local backup liek |
| 23:15.15 | centrx | keltim, I'm told GPT can be used without UEFI |
| 23:15.20 | teraflop | qmr: i use on several machines includin this laptio with 2 ssd and 1 hdd |
| 23:15.27 | tethra | aye, seems sane enough qmr |
| 23:15.27 | teraflop | laptop* |
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| 23:15.32 | keltim | centrx, to my knowledge, not on a PC |
| 23:15.34 | centrx | keltim, The architecture-agnosticism seems useful for a manufacturer but not a user |
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| 23:15.58 | tethra | unrelated: does anyone know what a device 'mmc1' would be, at the very start of booting? |
| 23:16.08 | teraflop | i mean ssd and i hdd sorry my typos |
| 23:16.11 | tethra | i've got a new laptop and whatever it is, it isn't liking this device |
| 23:16.17 | tethra | googling isn't being kind to me |
| 23:17.02 | c0fe | google harder |
| 23:17.05 | keltim | centrx, there's a Gigabyte board out, that even if you've somehow bricked it, you can still unplug everything and reflash it, because it doesn't even need to be "on" |
| 23:17.20 | tethra | c0fe: was it really worth even typing that? ;p |
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| 23:17.29 | c0fe | yes |
| 23:17.36 | c0fe | what is your problem tethra |
| 23:17.40 | c0fe | maybe i can solve it |
| 23:18.11 | tethra | just some odd messages on boot for a new laptop: [ 1.786606] mmc1: Reset 0x2 never completed. |
| 23:18.25 | keltim | centrx, and since it's in a state that can't be powered up, that is quite useful to a user |
| 23:18.46 | tethra | maybe your google fu is better than mine |
| 23:19.09 | centrx | keltim, now that's wild, doesn't even need electricity? ;P |
| 23:19.25 | c0fe | tethra: yuck, pentium eh? |
| 23:19.48 | c0fe | it is an issue with the microprocessor within the CPU |
| 23:19.58 | keltim | well it has some connector that you plug something else that's "runnung" into ... don't know the details |
| 23:20.04 | c0fe | pentiums usually fall into this, which is why i avoid that processor |
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| 23:20.07 | keltim | usb I guess |
| 23:20.28 | c0fe | MMC1 is a microprocessor |
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| 23:20.59 | keltim | Sun's way was pretty cool, much better than BIOS, but UEFI has more promise than even that |
| 23:21.01 | tethra | c0fe: celeron, aye |
| 23:21.46 | tethra | i don't think anything else is necessarily wrong, but i prefer a clean dmesg. any suggestions? |
| 23:22.18 | keltim | centrx, check this out, it was around in the 90's on solaris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Firmware |
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| 23:22.52 | c0fe | tethra: burn it with fire :P |
| 23:23.18 | c0fe | celeron is even worse than pentium, but if it is an on going issue even if you shut down your laptop, remove the battery |
| 23:23.20 | tethra | feh, it was *cheap* |
| 23:23.38 | tethra | it only happens on boot, so i'm inclined to just live with it |
| 23:23.49 | c0fe | yeah you can do that |
| 23:23.59 | c0fe | or you can cleanse yourself by burning it :P |
| 23:24.29 | tethra | heh |
| 23:24.47 | tethra | nah i think i'll just live with it, it isn't anything i can't repent for on my death bed |
| 23:25.05 | c0fe | pulls out a knife |
| 23:25.33 | tethra | if you stab me, make sure it's somewhere where i'll bleed out slowly |
| 23:25.43 | tethra | i've got a lot of crappy laptops to apologise about |
| 23:26.07 | keltim | centrx, ok yes - grub (and hence) linux can use GPT without UEFI |
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| 23:26.49 | c0fe | tethra: what manufacturer? |
| 23:27.02 | keltim | but using UEFI is a lot simpler |
| 23:27.15 | c0fe | I miss AMD's |
| 23:27.20 | c0fe | I got three AMD Phenom computers |
| 23:27.25 | c0fe | I not II mind you |
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| 23:27.35 | c0fe | and they are working longer than any of the Intel computers |
| 23:27.46 | donofrio | anyone here dabble in PPC and Debian8 I netinstalled it just now but instead of the xdesktop I just see the mouse moving but northing more |
| 23:28.06 | donofrio | I got the video working but no sound and 1024x768 max res....humm |
| 23:28.34 | c0fe | its the new desktop! |
| 23:28.36 | c0fe | welcome! |
| 23:28.53 | tethra | c0fe: don't judge me for this |
| 23:28.55 | tethra | lenovo |
| 23:29.07 | keltim | centrx, also UEFI supports netbooting even if your nic does not have a boot prom |
| 23:29.12 | c0fe | lenovo is pretty good, I got one of their W series ThinkPad's |
| 23:29.21 | c0fe | thing is 3 years old and still good |
| 23:29.34 | tethra | i've got the s20, refurbished and cheap cheap cheap |
| 23:29.48 | keltim | c0fe, it's Gnome 3.15! |
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| 23:30.13 | keltim | they took everything away. It's finally so easy to use since you can't even use it |
| 23:30.29 | c0fe | tehtra: yuck, refurbished? i used to sell refurshed stuff, that's why i stay away from it :D |
| 23:30.45 | c0fe | keltim: you are welcome |
| 23:30.53 | tethra | c0fe: i'm going to give it some refurb of my own, tbh i just wanted something i could stuff extra ram and a disc into that was as cheap as possible |
| 23:31.24 | tethra | started with 2GB of ram and a 320GB spinning disc, it'll have 8GB and 250GB of SSD in a few days |
| 23:31.33 | c0fe | tethra: yeah i refurbed things by spitting on it rubbing it and selling it :) |
| 23:31.40 | tethra | for less than half the price of an equivalent spec straight from lenovo |
| 23:31.41 | tethra | haha |
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| 23:32.04 | c0fe | that's amazing, all mobos i have encounterthat run 2GB never can read 8GB |
| 23:32.07 | baum | does it make sense to have the /boot partition on the ssd? or should i place it on the data-hdd? |
| 23:32.16 | tethra | c0fe: yeah, that's why i bought this |
| 23:32.21 | centrx | keltim, yeah most people don't use netbooting. I'm sure there are use cases where UEFI makes sense, but for the average user that seems to be rare or non-existent |
| 23:32.33 | centrx | keltim, and it does seem harder to install with UEFI enabled |
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| 23:32.47 | tethra | c0fe: a £140 laptop than i can upgrade so i can run jitsi *and* iceweasel at the same time is too good to pass up |
| 23:32.50 | tethra | ;) |
| 23:33.08 | c0fe | that's not bad |
| 23:33.19 | c0fe | i don't use debian though as a desktop |
| 23:33.36 | keltim | centrx, well, in an organizational environment, netbooting is a godsend, for all sorts of things |
| 23:34.10 | keltim | at home? not so much |
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| 23:35.20 | tethra | i used ubuntu as a desktop for a few months, until last week |
| 23:35.28 | tethra | trusty is horrible compared to jessie |
| 23:35.32 | keltim | tethra, I've grown to hate it |
| 23:35.53 | tethra | jessie or trusty? |
| 23:35.57 | keltim | but jessie RC1 was too rough for me |
| 23:36.05 | keltim | trusty, it's horrible |
| 23:36.11 | keltim | ubuntu has become horrible. |
| 23:36.22 | keltim | well it has been for years |
| 23:36.36 | tethra | yeah it's horrible |
| 23:36.55 | tethra | what rc will i be on if i just changed 'wheezy' to 'jessie' in my sources then dist-upgraded? |
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| 23:37.03 | keltim | but what looked like screw ups in 2010 apparently now is canonical's "philosophy" |
| 23:37.18 | tethra | such as? |
| 23:37.33 | tethra | their integration into stuff like amazon is insanely creepy and offputting, i find |
| 23:37.40 | keltim | tethra, which are you referring to? |
| 23:38.11 | tethra | scopes, i think they're called |
| 23:38.13 | c0fe | the amazon scope |
| 23:38.20 | keltim | tethra, well, half the packages outside of main (which seems smaller with every release) don't even work |
| 23:38.28 | c0fe | as much as i use amazon, that is quite unsettling that they added |
| 23:38.37 | c0fe | of course your installation method is command line too :/ |
| 23:38.40 | tethra | oh yeah, isn't that what they call 'multiverse' now? |
| 23:38.57 | c0fe | that is a piece of crap in a pretty box with a bow |
| 23:38.59 | keltim | they keep changing everything with every release, and they have no documentation save for forums, which are continuously outdated because they keep changing everything |
| 23:38.59 | tethra | that's what fancy folk call the broken packages |
| 23:39.14 | c0fe | want to 32bit software? YOU CAN'T! want to run 64bit software? YOU CAN'T! |
| 23:39.20 | tethra | keltim: i sort of feel bad for them |
| 23:39.23 | tethra | they've been knocked back a lot |
| 23:39.46 | tethra | IIRC mir is going the way of the dodo, upstart is being kicked out in favour of systemd principally because of a decision they had no control over |
| 23:39.59 | tethra | i could, if i really cared to, defend their position |
| 23:40.06 | tethra | but mostly they just seem to have lost focus |
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| 23:40.21 | keltim | tethra, consistency is of utmost importance if you want users |
| 23:40.35 | c0fe | eh systemd is not too bad |
| 23:40.36 | tethra | sure, but they're aiming for consistency in the enterprise by supporting stuff for 5 years |
| 23:40.40 | c0fe | selinux is terrible |
| 23:40.48 | keltim | granted, people find debian befuddling at first but it is remarkably consistent |
| 23:40.57 | tethra | c0fe: i'm not complaining, just saying that canonical had to put a lot of work into upstart and basically now have to throw it away |
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| 23:41.20 | tethra | keltim: they're suffering from a lack of focus IMO |
| 23:41.35 | keltim | c0fe, I agree about selinux ... apparmor is actually useable and actually gets implemented more because of that |
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| 23:41.39 | tethra | their release cycle means they're in a bind any time their LTS releases don't match debian releases |
| 23:41.49 | tethra | they want to move into phones and tablets with finite resources |
| 23:41.54 | tethra | they're doing their "cloud in a box" stuff |
| 23:42.00 | c0fe | lol cloud |
| 23:42.02 | c0fe | they made a cloud |
| 23:42.02 | c0fe | :D |
| 23:42.13 | keltim | tethra, i don't know what they're thinking ... who wants to run ubuntu on their phone? |
| 23:42.17 | tethra | it's literally an orange box full of servers running ubuntu with openstack preinstalled |
| 23:42.25 | c0fe | keltim: idiots |
| 23:42.26 | tethra | keltim: i'd like a non-crippled OS on my phone, to be fair |
| 23:42.34 | tethra | i hate android with a passion |
| 23:42.45 | keltim | seriously, I need my phone to work ... 100% of the time .. android is bad enough |
| 23:42.50 | tethra | the way i see it, ubuntu gets onto phones and debian won't be far behind |
| 23:42.52 | c0fe | i would not hate android, just what Google allowed it to become |
| 23:42.58 | keltim | I hate android too |
| 23:43.21 | keltim | the hardware cannot accomodate the bloat of the OS updates even for a year |
| 23:43.29 | tethra | yeah |
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| 23:43.32 | c0fe | what OS updates? |
| 23:43.38 | c0fe | there are OS updates for Andoird? 0.o |
| 23:43.44 | keltim | and there's nothing more frustrating than an unresponsive phone |
| 23:43.48 | tethra | c0fe: yes, as long as your carrier wants there to be |
| 23:43.53 | keltim | c0fe, ? all the time |
| 23:43.58 | c0fe | oh well i got Verizon |
| 23:43.58 | c0fe | :D |
| 23:44.01 | c0fe | so i get none |
| 23:44.02 | keltim | my carrier give me no choice |
| 23:44.18 | c0fe | come to America |
| 23:44.20 | tethra | you've just reminded me, i don't use my carrier-provided phone anymore |
| 23:44.22 | keltim | c0fe, ? I have Verizon, there's no way to turn the updates off that I can find |
| 23:44.22 | c0fe | you will never get updates |
| 23:44.26 | tethra | that entitles me to a discount! :D |
| 23:44.41 | c0fe | keltim: i don't know, I never get updates on any of my phones |
| 23:44.48 | keltim | I'm seriously considering tracfone |
| 23:45.02 | keltim | c0fe, WHAT? how did you accomplish that? |
| 23:45.02 | c0fe | go cricket |
| 23:45.12 | c0fe | idk just bought a phone and never got updates. |
| 23:45.19 | c0fe | you can always install a rom |
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| 23:45.57 | keltim | I can, but I need my phone for work .. I really don't want to mess with it that much ... cyanogen doesn't work with it anyway |
| 23:46.23 | keltim | because after the kitkat update I was determined to go with a mod |
| 23:46.25 | tethra | keltim: in fairness, pretty much all operating systems expand to fill the space available |
| 23:46.50 | tethra | keltim: geeksphone do cheapish (£150~) handsets that come preloaded with cyanogenmod |
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| 23:47.22 | keltim | tethra, I can tolerate that on a pc, but being old enough to remember the voice clarity and "works or it doesn't" aspects of analogue phones, I can't deal with it on a phone |
| 23:47.44 | tethra | heh |
| 23:47.46 | keltim | tethra, I will look into that |
| 23:47.55 | keltim | but I do like my samsung note 2 |
| 23:47.58 | keltim | and the pen |
| 23:48.07 | tethra | ah |
| 23:48.12 | tethra | yeah samsungs are nice |
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| 23:48.44 | c0fe | i got a Note 3 but hate it |
| 23:48.49 | c0fe | switched back to Galaxy |
| 23:48.55 | keltim | it was blazing fast when I bought it, now unresponsive most of the time ... often I can't even answer a call because the screen is frozen |
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| 23:49.01 | tethra | sometimes i wish someone would make a featurephone that could do GPG encrypted emails, OTR with SMS (textsecure style) and zRTP with voice (redphone style) |
| 23:49.09 | tethra | keltim: sucky |
| 23:49.09 | c0fe | keltim: have you done a factory reset? |
| 23:49.13 | tethra | maybe reinstall, yeah |
| 23:49.14 | keltim | tethra, hell yes to all that |
| 23:49.17 | keltim | c0fe, a few |
| 23:49.37 | tethra | keltim: what other features would anyone want, short of a browser? |
| 23:49.51 | keltim | c0fe, just did one a couple of weeks ago. And no, my apps are all pretty tame, no games or junk crap |
| 23:50.09 | c0fe | hmm |
| 23:50.19 | keltim | no facebook either |
| 23:50.32 | tethra | maybe xmpp |
| 23:50.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i am runnin these command i am getting nothing back from dig and a name back from nslookup |
| 23:50.41 | tethra | again with OTR |
| 23:50.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | nslookup 192.168.1.1; dig 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:50.46 | keltim | sorry about the ranting, serious frustrations with smartphones in general here |
| 23:51.00 | tethra | Eryn_1983_FL: for IPs you'll probably want "dig -x" |
| 23:51.01 | c0fe | hey my ip is 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:51.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | what am i doing wrong? i setup bind9 and it appears to be working for nslookup and not for dig wth |
| 23:51.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 23:51.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | .... |
| 23:51.09 | keltim | but I am ADD and intolerant of futzy, unresponsive interfaces |
| 23:51.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | thankyou |
| 23:51.13 | tethra | Eryn_1983_FL: i assume you're trying to do a reverse DNS lookup |
| 23:51.15 | Fahrradkette | !apt-cdrom |
| 23:51.15 | dpkg | well, apt-cdrom is used to add a new CDROM to APT's list of available sources: man apt-cdrom. See also <apt-cdrom_external>. |
| 23:51.18 | tethra | Eryn_1983_FL: right? |
| 23:51.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | indeed tethra |
| 23:51.29 | tethra | cool |
| 23:51.34 | tethra | dunno how to do it with nslookup |
| 23:51.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | works ty |
| 23:51.42 | tethra | my advice is don't bother, dig uber alles in der welt |
| 23:51.44 | tethra | :D |
| 23:51.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am a dumb butt |
| 23:51.46 | keltim | c0fe, the worst is that is saves all input and processes it when it catches up ... who the heck thought of that one |
| 23:52.00 | tethra | that's okay, helping you will make me feel better when i ask my next dumb butt question |
| 23:52.04 | tethra | it's the circle of life <3 |
| 23:52.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | yup |
| 23:52.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | one butt to another butt |
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| 23:53.47 | keltim | I'm considering a $15/month tracfone for voice/sms and the samsung for a tiny wifi tablet and no phone service |
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| 23:56.10 | keltim | Eryn_1983_FL, dig -x <ip address> for a reverse lookup. delete nslookup. :) |
| 23:56.16 | tethra | contemplates featurephone features |
| 23:56.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 23:56.36 | tethra | keltim: snap :D |
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| 23:59.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | well that means its working right woot |
