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| 00:06.18 | acz32 | RoyK: it is on its own partition already. is that what you mean? |
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| 00:07.14 | RoyK | acz32: then not an issue |
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| 00:09.11 | acz32 | still going to erase it because i want a fresh start. there would be a lot of hidden files from my old install |
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| 00:14.34 | nmschulte | How can I set which kernel is used as the default with Grub v2, when I have a dual booting machine with an OS chooser (and EFI, I believe)? |
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| 00:16.38 | gump | i'm trying to install debian jessie rc1 and it always hangs at "configuring the network" |
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| 00:17.01 | gump | i know my NIC works just fine because if i do a dvd install without a network, and then connect the network, it configures just fine |
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| 00:17.30 | gump | i'm just tired of doing a dvd install, then having to upgrade half a gig of packages immediately |
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| 00:18.14 | themill | don't install anything beyond the base system then |
| 00:18.44 | gump | so do a net install without a network, then boot into a virtual console and add repos? |
| 00:18.57 | gump | then do aptitude update && upgrade? |
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| 00:19.16 | themill | there's no need to do it without the network |
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| 00:19.27 | G66k | hello good people |
| 00:19.31 | themill | (but you certainly can) |
| 00:19.37 | gump | yes there is. it automatically detects my nic and freezes on configuring the network |
| 00:19.39 | G66k | i was wondering how to remove old version of ruby |
| 00:19.51 | G66k | im using wheezy 7 |
| 00:19.51 | themill | gump: oh, yeah. sure |
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| 00:52.12 | holycow_ | hi all |
| 00:52.26 | holycow_ | does debian 7 by default only allow root to mount ? |
| 00:52.42 | trysten | herro holycow_ |
| 00:52.48 | holycow_ | hallo |
| 00:53.17 | trysten | holycow_: that is the default setting. if you specify user in the options then users should be able to mount it. `man fstab` |
| 00:54.21 | holycow_ | well, i want all users to be able to mount whatever they want without sudo |
| 00:54.57 | holycow_ | i guess i'm perplexed why users cannot mount by default whatever they want? whitelist by default approach I guess? |
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| 00:57.47 | bazhang | holycow_, why not use fstab |
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| 00:58.53 | holycow_ | i mean, sure, i can do that manually. each time i want to mount an nfs share for a user or all users. it just seems odd to do it that way. |
| 00:58.57 | otyughh | allowing mount to every user is an obvious security issue, right ? |
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| 00:59.33 | holycow_ | true. so the rule of thumb is only alow it via sudoers for all / specific users? |
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| 01:01.32 | themill | holycow_: allowing a user to mount a filesystem allows them to execute things on that filesystem and those things can be suid. (that's why mount helpers limit what you can do). |
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| 01:01.37 | dizzylnx | to save partition layout of a LUKS volume , do i 'sfdisk -d /dev/mapper/my_volume' ? |
| 01:02.12 | otyughh | holycow_: why not just add an entry in fstab ? |
| 01:02.19 | otyughh | nfs share or not, you can add it. |
| 01:02.49 | otyughh | with noauto, it will only mount when you try to access it. |
| 01:02.54 | holycow_ | just curious about the general feeling about why mounting is not more dynamic by default i guess. i can do that, sure. |
| 01:03.23 | otyughh | well |
| 01:03.47 | otyughh | there is the gui stuff too. mounting using the gvfs stuff ? |
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| 01:04.38 | otyughh | well I don't know. I'm heading for the bed. Good luck x) |
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| 01:05.29 | holycow_ | you know what? i havent setup gvfs on this box yet. maybe that would do it. i'm running something very stripped down so the "mount: only root can do that" kinda caught my attention. i didn't really want to have to use sudo to mount my own arbitrary shares which might have short life spans for wahtever reasons. |
| 01:05.38 | holycow_ | nite otyughh |
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| 01:07.31 | holycow_ | themill: thank you for that tip. googling confirms the escalation possibility. |
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| 01:08.30 | dizzylnx | ok no need to back up anything other than the luks header |
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| 01:37.34 | Ultima | hello, I am trying to open a tty via getty 38400 tty64, however it seems like the terminal just freezes and nothing happens checking /dev no new tty. Does anyone know how to properly invoke getty to create a new tty? |
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| 01:44.51 | Shadow_7 | in days of old... /etc/inittab and reboot... but with systemd, who knows? |
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| 01:54.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 01:57.30 | shay_shay | Shadow_7: this is wheezy support |
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| 01:58.07 | Shadow_7 | shay_shay: aka days of old |
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| 02:00.10 | shay_shay | super old |
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| 02:00.17 | curby | i'm trying to confirm that there's no way to do codename-based unattended-upgrades using wheezy's version of the package. i.e. we have to identify origins with "stable" instead of with "wheezy" |
| 02:00.32 | Shadow_7 | lord willing and the creek don't rise... probably jessie support in < 1 year |
| 02:01.15 | shay_shay | i say < 3 months |
| 02:01.30 | shay_shay | <3 months |
| 02:01.34 | curby | ll |
| 02:01.36 | curby | whoops |
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| 02:02.03 | dvs | 106 bugs |
| 02:02.29 | Shadow_7 | I look forward to august then |
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| 02:03.20 | themill | curby: you should stick with codenames in sources.list and similar configs |
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| 02:09.08 | gump | how can i install opengl libraries without installing dependancies like nvidia-driver? |
| 02:09.36 | gump | i installed the .run drivers from nvidia website instead of the package, and installing opengl libraries attempts to install the older nvidia-driver package over the new drivers |
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| 02:13.24 | curby | themill: i do use codenames in sources.list. previously in wheezy i tried to use codenames in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades but it doesn't seem to work there ... i'm worried that if i use names like stable, when jessie comes along, bad/exciting/unexpected things will happen |
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| 02:14.17 | themill | if jessie isn't in your sources.list then it's not going to upgrade you, but I guess it would stop automatically upgrading |
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| 02:24.47 | keltim | if I use debian's python-pip to install a python package, will it pull deps out of pypi? or debian? I'm assuming since debian packaged it, it's not going to cause any disruptions with apt ... |
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| 02:28.18 | themill | keltim: make sure you use pip as a user not as root |
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| 02:48.56 | keltim | I read /usr/share/doc |
| 02:48.58 | keltim | :-) |
| 02:49.42 | curby | themill: ok, thanks. that's what i want to have happen :) |
| 02:49.48 | keltim | I was having a discussion with my co-workers about pip/gem etc. and that they should never be used to install anything into /usr ... just make your own and put it all in /opt or whereever |
| 02:50.04 | keltim | they think its Ok to let those things trash the system |
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| 02:51.05 | themill | locally installed python modules in /usr/local/lib is a great way of screwing up packaged software and breaking upgrades between releases. At least when it's in ~/, it's only your user that things will break for... |
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| 02:51.48 | keltim | if it's all in its own venv? |
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| 02:55.14 | keltim | oh python looks in /usr/local/lib/site-packages by default? |
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| 03:04.44 | PryMar56 | keltim, python -c 'import sys;print sys.path' |
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| 03:23.50 | shay_shay | Yukkii: you should disable that before you get banned |
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| 03:32.28 | muhGNUdoh | anyone gotten selinux installed and enabled in jessie? |
| 03:32.49 | muhGNUdoh | also hello! |
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| 03:36.20 | shay_shay | me |
| 03:36.47 | muhGNUdoh | shay_shay: did you have to do anything cray_cray? |
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| 03:37.33 | muhGNUdoh | i cannot get it to enable, and i am not getting the labels after reboot x_x |
| 03:37.37 | muhGNUdoh | q_q* |
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| 03:59.55 | Flastri | Hello. I have a huge file (102G) compressed with lzo. I use lzop -d but my host can handle a such a big decompression. Any idea? |
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| 04:00.18 | Flastri | can't handle* |
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| 04:16.50 | {orb} | how do I put the Debian installer on a USB flash drive? |
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| 04:19.44 | {orb} | specifically the testing version? |
| 04:19.46 | holycow_ | {orb}: just dd it |
| 04:19.58 | {orb} | holycow_: the ISO? no joke? |
| 04:20.10 | holycow_ | yup, its cool |
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| 04:21.00 | {orb} | holycow_: then I'm downloading DVD 1 |
| 04:21.18 | {orb} | you know, if I had $15 more I'd make flash drive #2 |
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| 04:22.34 | {orb} | any of you try Arch Linux? Can we speak of Debian vs. Arch Linux? |
| 04:22.51 | holycow_ | to each their own. potato potato |
| 04:23.44 | {orb} | but I'd rather have Debian than Arch Linux I thin |
| 04:23.47 | {orb} | think* |
| 04:24.35 | {orb} | Arch Linux has newer packages but hell it's buggy when relating to wireless network bringup and control over its dhcpcd daemon or even wpa_supplicant |
| 04:24.49 | holycow_ | that is an incorrect statement |
| 04:24.55 | holycow_ | inaccurate anyway |
| 04:25.09 | {orb} | no, I tried |
| 04:25.18 | holycow_ | if you want newer packages, use testing, as you are doing. however, newer packages will always mean unstable environment |
| 04:25.22 | {orb} | my copy is borked |
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| 04:25.42 | {orb} | my copy of Arch Linux is borked, I mean |
| 04:25.49 | holycow_ | ah |
| 04:26.07 | {orb} | please reread at 21:24:46 |
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| 04:28.36 | holycow_ | http://bloonsconception.wikia.com/wiki/File:Bear-how-about-no.jpg |
| 04:28.43 | holycow_ | lol |
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| 06:48.28 | Pinkbits | anyone having issues with adding custom "Startup Applications" in Jessie Gnome ? |
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| 06:52.53 | sonOfRa | Pinkbits: install gnome-tweak-tool, it has a setting for startup applications |
| 06:54.36 | Oscilax | custom :) |
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| 06:55.34 | Pinkbits | sonOfRa: have it installed already, however it only allows me to add installed apps |
| 06:56.03 | Oscilax | i think you look for the ~/.config/autostart |
| 06:56.36 | sonOfRa | Pinkbits: you mean only things that have launchers configured in alacarte? Either configure a (hidden) launcher, or put the .desktop files in ~/.config/autostart |
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| 07:00.19 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 07:02.00 | Pinkbits | sonOfRa,Oscilax: thx, attempting to create a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart now |
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| 07:30.51 | msavad | what is fdisk: unable to write /dev/sdb1: Bad file descriptor |
| 07:31.43 | msavad | i can not format my flash usb that is protection-write and i can not format it it is Read Only please help me |
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| 07:36.35 | Peleus | Hey all, currently 'date' show's the time in UTC, how can I change this to local instead? |
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| 07:39.51 | cnodell | Peleus: you need to set your timezone. I believe "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" might be thee easiest way... |
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| 07:42.52 | cnodell | This is a menu driven way to link the appropriate /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin to /etc/localtime (or whatever location you pick). |
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| 07:44.23 | Pinkbits | thx for advice on adding .desktop files to .config/autostart/ |
| 07:44.30 | Pinkbits | worked a treat |
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| 08:09.00 | msavad | how to fix a protection-write flash usb ? |
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| 08:27.44 | sinisap | Hi. As a non-developer, I have u question regarding apt-get upgrade process. |
| 08:28.12 | sinisap | Hi. As a non-developer, I have a question regarding apt-get upgrade process. |
| 08:30.02 | jelly | !ask |
| 08:30.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 08:31.07 | sinisap | Would it be possible to exclude from the upgrade process all packages that require download from the third party servers, like Java or Flash. If this package is part of upgrade and the server is not responding the whole process is corrupted which is a problem if you are updating kernel. |
| 08:31.37 | sinisap | It happened to me two times with Oracle severs and Java upgade using Webupd8 PPA |
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| 08:32.16 | jelly | sinisap: PPA repositories are made for Ubuntu, not Debian |
| 08:32.26 | sinisap | Sorry, I'm new with IRC but using Debian based distros for 8 years now |
| 08:32.43 | jelly | all kinds of breakage can happen if you mix distros for different OSes or different releases |
| 08:32.43 | sinisap | Yes but the apt-get is part of Debian, right? |
| 08:33.06 | sinisap | Not mixing distros nor releases |
| 08:34.00 | jelly | sinisap: it's a part of Debian, sure, but we don't know what a derivative distro may have added or changed in it. Also we don't know about their packaging policies that directly affect quality. |
| 08:35.01 | sinisap | Thanx Jelly, got it. I was thinking that apt-get is something Ubuntu is using from Debian. I know that PPAs are Ubuntu thingy. |
| 08:35.16 | jelly | sinisap: for those and some other technical and social reasons, we only allow questions concerning Debian proper here. If you use a derivative, ask in their channel or other support venue. |
| 08:35.34 | sinisap | Thank you all for your time and effort. |
| 08:35.37 | sinisap | Cheers |
| 08:35.41 | cnodell | sinisap: What distro are you running specifically? It sounds like you are using Ubuntu and if so the #Ubuntu channel would be a better source of information... |
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| 08:36.48 | jelly | if you were running Debian, you might have been pointed at |
| 08:36.49 | jelly | !hold |
| 08:36.49 | dpkg | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. See also <hold list>, <unhold>. |
| 08:37.20 | jelly | slow |
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| 08:48.56 | superlinux-hp | hi. which plotter printer would you recommend for construction engineers who will be using linux? |
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| 08:59.07 | SynrGy | superlinux-hp: that's such a niche usage and irc is relatively small ... you might consider asking the debian-user mailing list. also, it would be better to ask about a specific model or models you are considering purchasing. |
| 08:59.20 | SynrGy | the mailing list would reach a broader audience |
| 08:59.32 | superlinux-hp | SynrG, ok. thanks. |
| 08:59.35 | SynrGy | https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ |
| 08:59.57 | superlinux-hp | I am just asking here as I am used to. |
| 09:00.02 | SynrGy | sure |
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| 09:00.16 | SynrGy | so if you have specific models in mind, let us know and maybe we can tell you the status of support |
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| 09:04.35 | superlinux-hp | SynrG, maybe HP models.. it's abundant here in beirut lebanon |
| 09:05.14 | superlinux-hp | and i know they have reputation |
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| 09:05.26 | superlinux-hp | good reputation |
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| 09:06.53 | superlinux-hp | I am planning to migrate an office to linux |
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| 09:07.56 | superlinux-hp | i have testing a Konica Minolta bizhub C451 . it works on http and IPP protocol using cups server. |
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| 09:08.04 | SynrGy | well, to be any help to you, we would need to know which specific model or models you. |
| 09:08.10 | SynrGy | you want*. |
| 09:08.46 | superlinux-hp | I am afraid of that once they migrate, there is not an easy way back to windows. got me? |
| 09:09.05 | superlinux-hp | so I have not got any plotter yet in mind. |
| 09:09.07 | SynrGy | or check this yourself: |
| 09:09.17 | SynrGy | !openprinting |
| 09:09.18 | dpkg | i guess openprinting.org is a repository of information about what drivers to use for various printer makes and models. Browse for your printer at http://www.openprinting.org/printers/ to find out what drivers will support it; most drivers will be packaged for Debian (e.g. ask me about <cups>, <hplip>, <hpijs>). |
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| 09:09.54 | SynrGy | see also https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting |
| 09:10.21 | ssl_ | @ |
| 09:10.36 | superlinux-hp | ok. |
| 09:11.02 | ChrisH | superlinux-hp: I dont know about plotter in general, but plotters have been used with UNIX boxes for ages, so any HPGL compatible box should be possible. |
| 09:11.47 | superlinux-hp | ChrisH, here in lebanon they heavily depend on AutoCAD. |
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| 09:14.08 | SynrGy | HP's "DesignJet" line might be suitable |
| 09:14.51 | SynrGy | checking the openprinting.org site, the 1050C, for example, is listed as works "perfectly" |
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| 09:15.23 | SynrGy | takes paper up to 91.4 cm |
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| 09:17.51 | k_sze[work] | If I suspect my debian machine was not powered down safely, which log should I look at? |
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| 09:19.59 | SynrGy | unfortunately, logs can be incomplete if that happens because anything pending to flush to disk has not yet been written at the time of power loss. you can look in /var/log/syslog* for a discontinuity |
| 09:20.19 | SynrGy | look at the top of the 'kernel:' messages for the last boot, see what messages immediately precede it |
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| 09:20.48 | SynrGy | compare with a "known good" reboot |
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| 09:23.31 | SynrGy | hmm. comparing two systems, one has it in syslog, the other in messages. i wonder what i did differently :p |
| 09:24.06 | SynrGy | so in /var/log/messages for this system, i have: |
| 09:24.08 | SynrGy | Dec 20 12:20:42 lear shutdown[26117]: shutting down for system reboot |
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| 09:24.32 | SynrGy | and shortly after that, the start of the next boot: |
| 09:24.33 | SynrGy | Dec 20 13:10:12 lear kernel: klogd 1.5.0#6, log source = /proc/kmsg started. |
| 09:25.11 | SynrGy | that's a very old log entry. i've subsequently switched this system off sysv and onto systemd. |
| 09:25.55 | SynrGy | k_sze[work]: so depending on what kernel system/kernel logger facility you use, your messages may differ. but generally, that's where i'd look |
| 09:26.37 | k_sze[work] | I see |
| 09:27.57 | SynrGy | of course, you can use the 'uptime' command to find out uptime so you know what timestamp you're looking for |
| 09:28.17 | SynrGy | uptime -s |
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| 10:20.59 | Oins | How can I find out which kernel version is used with the actual installation DVD Set (7.8.0)? And also which Kernelversion did I get after an dist-upgrade? |
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| 10:21.59 | like-all | Hi, guys. Is there anybody who knows how to package vim addons properly? I've added vim-syntax-nginx.yaml into registry, but nothing happened, vim still knows nothing about nginx syntax highlighting. |
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| 10:28.00 | acampbell | Oins, use uname -a to get your currently installed kernel version |
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| 10:50.38 | andril | hello |
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| 10:51.16 | SynrGy | got a debian support question? just ask |
| 10:52.16 | SynrGy | andril: oh, except i see you've already asked on #debian-next. please don't needlessly ping the channel when you join, then. it wastes effort by helpers |
| 10:52.56 | Oins | acampbell: I know, but how can I find out the kernel version before the installation, from the DVD Iso. |
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| 10:55.29 | SynrGy | Oins: https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#list-image-contents |
| 10:55.30 | zoobab | hi |
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| 10:55.48 | zoobab | do you know if aptitude supports searching in XBS custom fields? |
| 10:56.40 | qopas2 | Oins, for the dist-upgrade, check /var/log/dpkg.log or search the latest linux-image version on packages.debian.org |
| 10:56.45 | Oins | SynrGy: that's what I was looking for thx. |
| 10:56.59 | SynrGy | zoobab: i don't know, but aptitude-doc contains detailed doc about search specifiers |
| 10:57.08 | SynrGy | Oins: np |
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| 10:57.38 | Oins | qopas2: thx, that answers the second question |
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| 10:59.06 | acampbell | Oins, begin the installer, open another tty (CTRL-ALT-F2) and do uname -a |
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| 11:01.27 | lifeofguenter | is it possible to use elasticbeanstalk on the official Debian AMI? |
| 11:01.28 | SynrGy | acampbell's solution would only tell you the installer kernel, not the one installed into the target system. so that's not useful |
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| 11:03.59 | SynrGy | lifeofguenter: don't know. maybe you could ask the debian-cloud mailing list? https://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/ |
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| 11:05.06 | lifeofguenter | https://lists.debian.org/cgi-bin/search?P=elasticbeanstalk&DEFAULTOP=or&sort=relevance&HITSPERPAGE=10 looks empty |
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| 11:08.30 | lifeofguenter | don't worry debian, I'll make it happen.. I'd rather quit my job than do rhel... |
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| 11:11.34 | karimb | lifeofguenter, ouch :) |
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| 11:13.23 | SynrGy | lifeofguenter: huh. i ask google the same query and it tells me i must've meant "elastic beanstalk" :p |
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| 11:15.09 | SynrGy | lifeofguenter: anyway, do ask the debian-cloud list. maybe someone knows something there they've not been sharing. |
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| 11:16.33 | lifeofguenter | yup will do thanks SynrGy |
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| 11:24.55 | d3lphi | recently I wanted to copy some .wav files into my Desktop's folder "mysounds".. I opened my file manager and searched for *.wav files on my whole harddisk. Accidently I must have MOVED them instead of copying them. Now I am missing system sounds, like "Volume UP/DOWN" etc.. can I restore them somehow? Or can you tell me on which path these sounds normally reside? |
| 11:25.40 | d3lphi | I think they resided somewhere under /usr/share/... ? |
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| 11:31.35 | Pinkbits | d3lphi: maybe you could try # apt-file search wav |
| 11:32.20 | Pinkbits | d3lphi: this will show you which packages have wav files in them |
| 11:32.28 | qopas2 | that's what you get for opening fiel maanger as root |
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| 11:34.05 | d3lphi | I tried "dpkg -L *cinnamon* |grep wav" but unfortunately that didn't work. Seems that this command doesn't accept wildcard ? |
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| 11:37.11 | qopas2 | dpkg -S .wav |
| 11:37.12 | dpkg | Package: .wav: Status: install ok installed |
| 11:37.20 | qopas2 | was not for the bot |
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| 11:39.05 | Pinkbits | # dpkg -S .wav | grep cinnamon |
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| 11:41.36 | qopas2 | cinnamon is not the only package that has wavs under /usr/share |
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| 11:45.32 | SynrGy | d3lphi: in general, you can use debsums to find damage to packages |
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| 11:45.55 | SynrGy | d3lphi: debsums will compare the files installed on your system with what the list files for the packages say should be there and report discrepancies |
| 11:46.15 | SynrGy | d3lphi: then you can apt-get install --reinstall any damaged packages. |
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| 11:49.15 | SynrGy | tip, use debsums -c to only report changed files |
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| 11:54.15 | d3lphi | qopas2: thanks for the hint with "dpkg -S .wav" Well, it seems that these sound files are there /usr/share/sounds/alsa and so on ... maybe my problem is related somewhere else? Nromally when I changed the volume, either through gnomes menu on the bar, or even with hotkey Fn |
| 11:54.20 | d3lphi | Fn |
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| 11:54.51 | d3lphi | sorry ... fn+f2 or fn+f3 I heard a volume change sound. I don't have this any more. Why? where could that be related to? |
| 11:55.51 | qopas2 | d3lphi, I thought that dpkg -S shows you how it *should* be, rather than searching really the filesystem |
| 11:56.06 | qopas2 | syngry's method seems way better to me |
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| 11:58.24 | d3lphi | oh, let me check what SynrGy wrote ... |
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| 12:08.10 | d3lphi | SynrGy: well, I did run "debsums" and it just finished. At the end of the list (scrolled at the bottom) I don't see any warning, I just got my prompt returned and the last packages I seen on that screen are marked with OK. |
| 12:10.08 | SynrGy | didn't read my whole answer, then |
| 12:10.12 | SynrGy | 08:49 < SynrGy> tip, use debsums -c to only report changed files |
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| 12:10.35 | d3lphi | oh sorry |
| 12:10.35 | SynrGy | sorry i didn't highlight you for that one :p |
| 12:11.31 | SynrGy | please note that sometimes scripts can change files, so that they show up in the report (i.e. can produce some false positives) |
| 12:12.05 | SynrGy | but if you find files in the report for which there's no rational explanation as to why they should've changed, it could indicate damage |
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| 12:12.27 | AdamSN | Hey |
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| 12:15.51 | d3lphi | SynrGy: debsums -c returned nothing, only the prompt |
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| 12:16.38 | d3lphi | I will dig into it further |
| 12:16.41 | SynrGy | yep |
| 12:16.48 | SynrGy | seems unlikely you accidentally moved the image files, then |
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| 12:17.43 | SynrGy | (unless the files you moved don't actually belong to a debian package, e.g. a third-party theme or something) |
| 12:17.55 | SynrGy | er, sound files, i mean |
| 12:18.09 | d3lphi | SynrGy: damn, i solved it! :-) |
| 12:18.36 | SynrGy | yeah? how? |
| 12:18.37 | d3lphi | SynrGy: yes, I just had to go into sound settings and remap the sound files which I moved, omg |
| 12:18.41 | d3lphi | i'm so sorried |
| 12:18.54 | SynrGy | 'remap'? |
| 12:18.55 | d3lphi | but glad that I did find the culprit |
| 12:19.00 | d3lphi | reassign |
| 12:19.11 | d3lphi | sorry for my bad english, it's not my native language |
| 12:19.29 | SynrGy | if you really did move them, why isn't debsums complaining? or did those files not belong to a debian package to begin with? |
| 12:20.09 | SynrGy | remap/reassign in english are synonyms. i just didn't understand the context. |
| 12:20.20 | AdamSN | Would an x86 graphics driver work ok on amd64 installation of Debian wheezy? |
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| 12:20.32 | d3lphi | SynrGy: they did not belong to a debian package |
| 12:20.40 | SynrGy | aha. so debsums is useless there |
| 12:20.44 | d3lphi | right |
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| 12:20.58 | d3lphi | but good for me, now I know -thank you- about debsums :) |
| 12:21.02 | SynrGy | so you just had the sound settings pointing in the wrong place |
| 12:21.07 | SynrGy | no problem. |
| 12:21.29 | d3lphi | never heard of that command before, even in "fortunes" it was never mentioned :) |
| 12:21.38 | d3lphi | and I like fortunes-debian :) |
| 12:21.56 | d3lphi | because I learn a lot about neat tool |
| 12:21.57 | d3lphi | s |
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| 12:25.29 | AdamSN | Would an x86 graphics card driver cause issues on an amd64 Debian wheezy install? |
| 12:25.32 | d3lphi | can I somehow manually assign the hotkey combination fn+f6 to a special command even when "xev" or "acpi_listen" do NOT recognize this hotkey combination? I think its due to a missing function in the latest kernel. It's a Lenovo ideapad Z710 and seems that this kernel on Debian Jessie do not recognize it |
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| 12:26.52 | EriC^^ | d3lphi, xbindkeys might work |
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| 12:27.50 | d3lphi | EriC^^: can you point me to the right direction how I can try it out? |
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| 12:30.37 | EriC^^ | d3lphi, i think it's xbindkeys -k to get the keycode |
| 12:30.59 | EriC^^ | http://forum.slitaz.org/topic/make-fn-keys-work |
| 12:31.07 | EriC^^ | there's a link at the bottom to a guide too |
| 12:32.38 | d3lphi | EriC^^: unfrtunately even "xbindkeys -k" doesn't recognize fn+f6 but it recognizes the other hotkey combinations which already worked before (like fn+f2, fn+f3, etc...) |
| 12:33.55 | EriC^^ | oh |
| 12:34.17 | AdamSN | Would an x86 graphics card driver cause issues on amd64 Debian wheezy install? |
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| 12:35.13 | d3lphi | EriC^^: I suspect that the kernel cannot pass this key combination, maybe it's even not received by ACPI/BIOS or however the chain looks like |
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| 12:35.40 | SynrGy | AdamSN: perhaps phrase it the other way around. 'i have ____ graphics card and am experiencing ____ during a wheezy install' ...? |
| 12:35.40 | abrotman | AdamSN: what? that's not a thing |
| 12:35.53 | SynrGy | and be specific |
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| 12:36.44 | SynrGy | abrotman: earlier he phrased it as: |
| 12:36.44 | SynrGy | 09:20 < AdamSN> Would an x86 graphics driver work ok on amd64 installation of Debian wheezy? |
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| 12:36.53 | abrotman | Still doesn't make sense |
| 12:36.55 | SynrGy | i suspect he's trying to hack his way around a problem, but hasn't shared what it is |
| 12:37.03 | SynrGy | so let's get to the bottom of it |
| 12:37.26 | AdamSN | Well I'm not installing it yet but hold I'm on a tablerlt |
| 12:37.27 | SynrGy | AdamSN: what would you like to accomplish today? please tell us in terms of outcome, not how you imagine it might be done |
| 12:37.45 | AdamSN | as i said im on tablet hold up |
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| 12:39.16 | AdamSN | I have an nvidia geforce 7600gt which for wheezy has legactly drivets |
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| 12:39.46 | AdamSN | Now my cpu is 64 bit so im going for amd64 install |
| 12:40.25 | jelly | might be worth to try the free nouveau drivers, the ones in wheezy or jessie might work |
| 12:41.04 | AdamSN | ljelly thesehttps://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_304.125 ? |
| 12:41.21 | jelly | no, the ones you get after installing. |
| 12:41.46 | AdamSN | ahhh ok so the stock ones? |
| 12:41.49 | AdamSN | I see |
| 12:41.50 | jelly | yes |
| 12:42.27 | AdamSN | All right and if I experience bizarre graphics problems try the proprietary one? |
| 12:43.40 | jelly | yes, but you're likely to need one of those legacy proprietary releases as you noticed |
| 12:44.10 | AdamSN | Right if there's a detailed wiki it's for a reason |
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| 12:47.38 | AdamSN | jelly for the xorg config copy the commands verbatim from the wiki? |
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| 12:48.21 | jelly | AdamSN: you shouldn't need an xorg.conf at all with free drivers. |
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| 12:48.56 | AdamSN | ... i mean if i install legacy non free |
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| 12:49.49 | jelly | mm. then yes, I think |
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| 12:49.55 | AdamSN | ok |
| 12:50.15 | AdamSN | ty jelly SynrG and abrotman |
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| 12:51.03 | jelly | ,v nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms |
| 12:51.04 | judd | Package: nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms on i386 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 304.125-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 304.125-1; sid/non-free: 304.125-1 |
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| 13:01.27 | MisterY | hello, i have a problem while installing wlan on a rasperrby pi (2), which is set up wie Raspbain (debian). |
| 13:01.46 | MisterY | i use wpa_supplicant and the wlan is not able to connect to my router. |
| 13:02.22 | MisterY | i changed my wlan-ssid to one with no special chars, and the wpa2 key also without special chars. |
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| 13:02.56 | MisterY | to connect i have to use ssh (no startx. or something else)! |
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| 13:03.52 | MisterY | because of it, no error messages are shown (maybe i dont see the right files, because i'm beginner!)... i cant find the right files to control my configuration. |
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| 13:05.00 | Brigo | MisterY, what do you use to configure the network? |
| 13:05.22 | MisterY | Brigo i use console via ssh |
| 13:05.39 | MisterY | and use a tutorial which tells using wpa_supplicant |
| 13:05.40 | Brigo | what file? |
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| 13:06.13 | MisterY | this file: /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 13:07.03 | MisterY | Brigo if you need it, i can paste it somewhere |
| 13:07.14 | Brigo | MisterY, first raspbian is not debian, so i do know what they have changed. In debian you only have to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:07.33 | MisterY | yes, in raspbian too. |
| 13:07.46 | Brigo | and add a line like iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 13:08.04 | Brigo | other with wpa-ssid <your sid> |
| 13:08.11 | MisterY | but because of using wpa2 (security police of the router) i use wpa_supplicant also... because it can configure all variations of wpa-security |
| 13:08.25 | Brigo | and other with wpa-psk <your password> |
| 13:09.02 | Brigo | MisterY, that configuration will take care off wpa and dhcp and all the configuration. See man interfaces |
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| 13:09.56 | MisterY | Brigo yes, this was configured before ... like you told but it dont work. |
| 13:10.02 | MisterY | i paste your the interfaces |
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| 13:10.44 | MisterY | Brigo http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e8b6cb34/ |
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| 13:10.48 | Brigo | MisterY, then modify other filess will not help. |
| 13:12.05 | Brigo | MisterY, that line is not what i told you: wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 13:12.40 | MisterY | yes, this was the old version. maybe you could explain, what to change in this file to work fine? |
| 13:12.45 | Brigo | MisterY, if the problem is in this file a cannot help you far more. I never modify it. |
| 13:13.14 | MisterY | your hint... wpa-ssid myssid should inserted to interfaces or another file? |
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| 13:14.04 | Brigo | MisterY, check this: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse and search for wpasupplicant |
| 13:14.20 | Brigo | MisterY, have you installed the firmware? |
| 13:14.33 | MisterY | why wpasupplicant. i think changing interfaces??? |
| 13:14.51 | MisterY | or ? we told on some differents facts? |
| 13:15.27 | Brigo | this wiki will explain you how to edit the interface file using wpa_supplicant. |
| 13:15.55 | MisterY | i will read it :) |
| 13:15.56 | MisterY | thx |
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| 13:16.49 | Brigo | MisterY, have you installed the firmware? |
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| 13:17.13 | Brigo | MisterY, can you paste /var/log/syslog? |
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| 13:18.36 | MisterY | only the end? or grepped? |
| 13:18.41 | MisterY | or all |
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| 13:20.17 | Brigo | MisterY, i need the lines related to your connection problem. If unsure, paste all of it. |
| 13:20.50 | MisterY | tell my what to grep! i will paste it afterthat |
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| 13:26.10 | Brigo | MisterY, i don't know what to grep just paste it all. |
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| 13:31.22 | bl4ckdu5t | How do I recursively search files in a directory and its subdirectories for a file containing a word? |
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| 13:34.11 | djp_ | anyone know what would cause an external usb soundcard to go silent every so often? basically i've attached a behringer uca202 via usb to my netbook. it works fine but every so often the sound stops. my audio player shows the track as still playing and if i hit enter sure enough, the track continues playing again with sound. |
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| 13:37.22 | SynrGy | bl4ckdu5t: assuming you only care about files, not directories, and want case-sensitive: find path -type f -iname '*word*' |
| 13:37.34 | SynrGy | case-insensitive i meant |
| 13:37.39 | SynrGy | case-sensitive, use -name |
| 13:37.51 | SynrGy | see also -regex, -iregex |
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| 13:38.29 | SynrGy | where 'path' is the path to the top level dir you want to start at and 'word' is your word |
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| 13:44.03 | bl4ckdu5t | Thanks. Sorry had to step out for a min |
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| 13:45.09 | bl4ckdu5t | is the asterisk needed? |
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| 13:45.41 | bl4ckdu5t | SynrGy: ^ |
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| 13:46.29 | SynrGy | bl4ckdu5t: see the find man page for further explanation about that |
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| 13:47.00 | SynrGy | but in short, if your 'word' is a part of a filename, yes, use wildcards as needed |
| 13:47.17 | SynrGy | e.g. -iname 'word*' if it starts with 'word', etc. |
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| 13:50.27 | Ironhand | hi, I'm installing Jessie on a machine with bnx2 network interfaces... it looks as though the interfaces need firmware to work properly, but the installer doesn't prompt for firmware (I have it on the USB key used for install) |
| 13:50.35 | Ironhand | how do I manually load the firmware? |
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| 13:51.00 | kchehab | please can any one help me in bluetooth configuration |
| 13:51.24 | kchehab | first device is connected to the firct hci0 device |
| 13:51.25 | bl4ckdu5t | ok thanks |
| 13:51.50 | kchehab | and while trying to connect the another phone to hci1 the phone pait but it does not connects |
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| 13:53.17 | bl4ckdu5t | I never got bluetooth connection right with my Debian. It's just like a no-go |
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| 13:53.34 | bl4ckdu5t | Asked here a million times but no one seem to care about bluetooth |
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| 13:56.15 | bl4ckdu5t | SynrGy: find only helps me find file names with match |
| 13:56.22 | bl4ckdu5t | I meant file contents |
| 13:56.34 | SynrGy | bl4ckdu5t: ah, sorry. misunderstood. |
| 13:56.56 | SynrGy | bl4ckdu5t: grep -r for a recursive search |
| 13:57.09 | SynrGy | unfortunately doesn't work with zgrep if any of the files are compressed |
| 13:57.21 | SynrGy | bl4ckdu5t: does that help? |
| 13:57.34 | SynrGy | and -i for case-insensitive, if you need that |
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| 13:57.49 | bl4ckdu5t | should. I think so |
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| 13:57.50 | bl4ckdu5t | Thanks |
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| 13:59.18 | kchehab | bl4ckdu5t where do you guess i can find an answer for my question about bluetooth pair bit it does not connects |
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| 14:04.30 | asd123qwe | boys and grils, quick question. When starting some application it hold the terminal and also further script execution. How to get arround this effect? |
| 14:04.55 | SynrG | Use & |
| 14:05.32 | SynrG | Puts the preceding command in the background |
| 14:05.46 | SynrG | e.g. xeyes & |
| 14:05.59 | asd123qwe | let me try. ty |
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| 14:07.30 | asd123qwe | something like openvpn profile.ovpn & ? |
| 14:08.55 | asd123qwe | <SynrG> TY! |
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| 14:29.24 | Ibm-irc | -57- Someone here can help me with Unity 3d ? |
| 14:30.30 | Brigo | Ibm-irc, i doubt it. There is not such thing in debian. |
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| 14:34.59 | Brigo | Ironhand, plug and mount it at install time , installer should find it. |
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| 14:37.20 | Ironhand | Brigo: it was actually the medium the installer itself was on, it didn't find it - my guess is Debian doesn't "know" the firmware is needed (eth0/eth1 appear and the installer tries to do DHCP requests) |
| 14:37.42 | Ironhand | but I managed to get it done by symlinking /lib/firmware to /hd-media/firmware and trying again |
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| 14:39.04 | Brigo | Ironhand, next time you can install with images from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 14:40.00 | Ironhand | Brigo: ah, that sounds quite useful, never knew that existed - thanks |
| 14:40.31 | Brigo | Ironhand, np :) |
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| 14:48.21 | shay_shay | i just use a usb nic |
| 14:48.49 | shay_shay | handy thing to have in your toolboz |
| 14:49.07 | martinalex | hi, i am trying to get my system decrypted using an external usb. How to create a second initramfs entry instead of updating the existing one? (i have only one kernel installed) |
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| 14:50.02 | martinalex | and when exactly is the /etc/crypttab applied? probably still in the initramfs, but i dont know for sure... |
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| 14:53.40 | jelly | martinalex: the simplest thing to do is make a backup of current initrd.img before running update-initramfs |
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| 14:55.21 | martinalex | jelly: which means in case something doesnt work, i could just restore this file and get my computer working again? |
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| 14:56.18 | martinalex | jelly: maybe i am a bit overcautios, but reinstalling over and over again is a bit annoying ;) and my last rescue attempt was unsuccessful.. |
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| 14:57.29 | jelly | martinalex: if the new initramfs fails, you can edit the boot entry in grub at boot time use use the old one temporarily |
| 14:58.39 | martinalex | jelly: thanks, i will give it a try, and hopefully i am not going to need it anyway.. |
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| 15:07.19 | d3lphi | when I go into system settings, then "mouse & touchpad" I can enable/disable the touchpad which works fine. I'd like to put this function into a hotkey combination (e.g. STRG+ALT+6) so I can toggle with this hotkey combination the use of the touchpad. How do I do that? |
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| 15:08.13 | skroon | anyone know if it's also possible to send AT command with minicom, while directly typing in the terminal, or would I first need to create a ascii file with AT commands and send that instead? |
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| 15:08.51 | Brigo | skroon, try echo "AT command" > /dev/tty |
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| 15:12.05 | skroon | Brigo: I don't get any response in minicom if I do that... I should btw get a response if it we're to receive it |
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| 15:14.49 | Brigo | skroon, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/97242/how-to-send-at-commands-to-a-modem-in-linux |
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| 15:16.19 | darxmurf | beer time folks ! |
| 15:16.23 | darxmurf | see you and have a good week-end ! |
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| 15:17.12 | skroon | Brigo: right, so it should work... thanks for that link |
| 15:18.18 | Brigo | skroon, yw :) |
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| 15:30.25 | zege | Hi. I have a Problem. On my keyboard i have no super-key, but i want to use the superkey for some shortcuts. Is there any solution to maybe define Ctrl+Alt als Superkey? |
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| 15:37.46 | jelly | zege: stupid setting, caps lock as super: setxkbmap -option caps:super |
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| 15:38.37 | zege | jelly: great, thx |
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| 15:43.54 | topi` | folks, is it possible to do a clean debootstrap without man-db package? I mean, it's flagged as "required" package, hence I don't know if it's a good idea |
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| 15:44.28 | topi` | we're developing a semi-embedded system with 4GB eMMC, so we're keen on reducing the rootfs size |
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| 15:48.23 | Oscilax | topi`: you can always add "--exclude=package1,package2" and test if the functionality fits your needs |
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| 15:49.26 | Oscilax | the resulting functionality i mean |
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| 15:50.43 | topi` | testing it out right now |
| 15:50.46 | topi` | let's see... |
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| 15:52.35 | topi` | at least it didn't complain about excluding a "base" package |
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| 15:53.59 | Oscilax | debootstrap does not check for integrity when you remove packages marked as required |
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| 15:56.10 | zege | Hi. My pulseaudio doesn't find the analog out channels of my Asus Xonar DX 7.1 soudcard. In alsamixer i can see the card and the analog channels. in the audio-settings dialog (gnome3) only the s/pdif out/in and analog in channels of my asus card are visible. I'm using Jessie (testing). In Wheezy everything worked fine. Has someone a hint for me? |
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| 15:59.29 | Oscilax | zege: can you check if this bug fits your situation? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=726771 |
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| 16:02.28 | topi` | how do I add a user non-interactively? |
| 16:02.39 | dondelelcaro | topi`: with adduser |
| 16:02.49 | topi` | ok, i'll check the manpage |
| 16:03.20 | dondelelcaro | topi`: you'll want to check out the --disabled-password and --gecos options to make it totally non-interactive. |
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| 16:06.29 | topi` | hmm, it seems if I do --gecos "Foo Bar" then the name in profile will be Foo Bar |
| 16:07.02 | zege | Oscilax: Not exactly. I mean there is no sync of volume levels, but i can't see the channels with the audio-settings dialog. |
| 16:07.39 | topi` | dondelelcaro: thanks for the hints, got it now |
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| 16:08.35 | dondelelcaro | topi`: no problem |
| 16:08.44 | topi` | password isn't really needed, just a way to get in via ssh |
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| 16:08.56 | topi` | so I'll try creating a .ssh dir for the new user |
| 16:09.00 | yeanso0on | Hallo .. |
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| 16:09.29 | petn-randall | Welcome yeanso0on. |
| 16:10.39 | topi` | is ssh-keygen even necessary? what about just placing a known id_rsa.pub into .ssh/authorized_keys ? |
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| 16:10.47 | yeanso0on | I'm installing Debian not ubuntu :-) just come back from arch linux .. |
| 16:12.03 | yeanso0on | Love the Debian tack you for |
| 16:12.04 | petn-randall | yeanso0on: Great to hear. If you run into any problems, feel free to ask in this support channel. |
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| 16:12.15 | zege | Oscilax: When playing with aplay and selecting the device manually i can play sounds on the card. Any idea? |
| 16:12.22 | yeanso0on | Theme Debian |
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| 16:12.37 | topi` | .ssh/authorized_keys does not seem to let me in, any ideas? |
| 16:13.00 | jelly | topi`: sure, if you already have an id_rsa.pub that means you generated the key pair already |
| 16:13.20 | topi` | maybe I need to update the known_hosts file? |
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| 16:13.55 | jelly | topi`: your $HOME, $HOME/.ssh and $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys need sane permissions |
| 16:14.34 | topi` | jelly: everything there is 0600, except .pub which is 644 |
| 16:14.38 | yeanso0on | thanks to all the ppl that working on Debian |
| 16:14.56 | jelly | topi`: .pub is on the client. What do you have on the server? |
| 16:15.19 | topi` | jelly: .pub just appeared there after running ssh-keygen |
| 16:15.29 | jelly | blinks |
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| 16:15.48 | topi` | I think the problem is the missing known_hosts file? |
| 16:15.55 | jelly | topi`: you need a key pair on the client where you're connecting from. No need to run it on the ssh server you're trying to connect to. |
| 16:16.08 | topi` | I'll try to add localhost to known_hosts in some way |
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| 16:16.28 | topi` | jelly: exactly, my ssh-keygen was kind of superfluous |
| 16:16.33 | jelly | topi`: which OS and ssh client are you using on the client? |
| 16:16.36 | jelly | heh. |
| 16:16.42 | topi` | jelly: connecting from localhost... |
| 16:16.45 | topi` | just to test it out |
| 16:16.46 | jelly | why? |
| 16:17.00 | topi` | I'll try with a real server. |
| 16:17.02 | jelly | well that's a bit silly but okay |
| 16:17.10 | topi` | just want to see if it works |
| 16:17.25 | topi` | so that I can script the image generation all the way down to creating a known user instance |
| 16:17.35 | jelly | topi`: please show ls -ld ~ ~/.ssh ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 16:18.03 | topi` | -rw------- 1 root root 394 Mar 13 18:11 authorized_keys |
| 16:18.13 | jelly | topi`: and output of ssh -v localhost, too |
| 16:18.14 | jelly | !paste |
| 16:18.15 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:18.15 | topi` | oh, yeah, the user/group is wrong here |
| 16:18.43 | yeanso0on | Help how do I logout from the x server to terminal Only ? |
| 16:19.14 | topi` | ta-da! that did it |
| 16:19.27 | topi` | yeanso0on: try ctrl-alt-f1 |
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| 16:47.39 | gurke_ | can someone help me please? http://pastebin.com/ufLKPnhS i think i have an error in my vhost |
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| 16:48.45 | gurke_ | when i visit ad3marketing.com its still opening the root dir |
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| 16:49.46 | ildefonso | gurke_, I supposed you actually enabled NameVirtualHost, right? |
| 16:49.48 | ildefonso | gurke_, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html |
| 16:50.23 | gurke_ | hu? do i need to do that in front of the virtualhosts? |
| 16:50.25 | Bremsstrahlung | Is it normal for a 7.8 netinst to take a while on the "extracting dpkg..." part? |
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| 16:50.54 | centrx | Bremsstrahlung, Probably not normal, dpkg is not that big |
| 16:51.13 | Bremsstrahlung | Hm. |
| 16:51.44 | Bremsstrahlung | I was curious why it was stuck on that part. But then again it was stuck on libc-gen or whatever before, too. |
| 16:51.46 | Bremsstrahlung | Also cleared it. |
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| 16:52.11 | centrx | Bremsstrahlung, You can press Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to a console if you want to see what's happening with e.g. ps aux |
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| 16:52.28 | Bremsstrahlung | Will that also work on the graphical boot installer. |
| 16:52.32 | Bremsstrahlung | The CTRL-ALT-F2 thing. |
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| 16:52.51 | centrx | I think so |
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| 16:54.30 | gurke_ | ildefonso still not working |
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| 16:54.48 | gurke_ | ildefonso i have to say it worked a few minutes ago |
| 16:54.58 | Bremsstrahlung | centrx, ty |
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| 16:56.18 | ildefonso | gurke_, you need to remember Apache configurations in Debian are split among several files, and you have to think of them as a single, big, configuration file. |
| 16:56.23 | ildefonso | so, you need to check them all. |
| 16:56.55 | ildefonso | likely there is another VirtualHost somewhere, likely in sites-enabled |
| 16:56.56 | gurke_ | ildefonso hu? i do activate it by ad2sensite i think? |
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| 16:59.12 | acz32 | i think i messed up somehow while trying to install debian on a system which already had windows. i had a block of free space, which i used the debian installer to partition into / and /home partitions, encrypted them both, and the installation succeeded, but when i reboot i'm stuck at this screen which i get after grub and entering the passphrase: https://imgrush.com/trSLZeteakzI.jpg |
| 17:00.25 | acz32 | it's stick at "Started Forward Password Requests to Wall". what does that mean? |
| 17:00.36 | gurke_ | damn this |
| 17:00.37 | DustyDin1o | are you sure you entered all passphrases? |
| 17:00.47 | DustyDin1o | systemd is horrible and messes up the output |
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| 17:01.37 | acz32 | DustyDin1o: i was prompted, right after grub, to enter one passphrase, then later i was asked to enter another, which i did, and ended up with this |
| 17:02.13 | acz32 | i guess because / and /home are both encrypted. in previous installations, i've only had to enter the password once (in wheezy installs) |
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| 17:04.23 | Fira | Hey guys. We're installing Debian 7.8.0 with LVM on RAID1 and grub-install segfaults. Got tips ? |
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| 17:05.44 | gurke_ | oh man ildefonso can you help again please? i cant fix this |
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| 17:06.21 | yeanso0on | Fira fixit the grub config From live cd ... |
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| 17:09.00 | topi` | is it possible to use "dmsetup" to split one image file into multiple device entries? |
| 17:09.03 | Fira | yeanso0on: actually i think i found the problem, we did whole-disk RAID and installer didn't create any part table so there's nowhere to install... |
| 17:09.20 | topi` | I want to build an entire flashable image, containing rootfs and other partitions |
| 17:09.39 | topi` | I used to do everything with "losetup" using its --offset and other options |
| 17:09.51 | ildefonso | gurke_, I can't do much more than telling you to remember all of the configuration files ends up as a single one, and if you have another VirtualHost definition somewhere, it can collide with your other definitions and make your whole configuration misbehave. |
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| 17:10.38 | gurke_ | ildefonso the problem is it were working.. is my file broken or is it correct? |
| 17:10.52 | ildefonso | gurke_, what you pasted is incomplete |
| 17:10.57 | ildefonso | it is just a part of Apache's configuration. |
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| 17:11.16 | gurke_ | :( iam so noob with unix |
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| 17:11.31 | mutante | i like your nick, gurke |
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| 17:11.48 | ildefonso | gurke_, erm... |
| 17:12.09 | ildefonso | ServerName ad3marketing.com <--- but ad3marketing.com redirects to www.ad3marketing.com, which is not defined. |
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| 17:12.19 | ildefonso | maybe, add "ServerAlias www.ad3marketing.com" |
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| 17:13.27 | gurke_ | oh |
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| 17:16.36 | gurke_ | what does that mean ildefonso? |
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| 17:17.09 | mutante | when you use Wikipedia now you also use Debian in a way. Wikimedia just reinstalled their varnish caches with jessie (from Ubuntu) |
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| 17:22.40 | gurke_ | thank you very much ildefonso !!! |
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| 17:24.36 | ildefonso | gurke_, so, it finally worked :) |
| 17:24.40 | ildefonso | gurke_, de nada! |
| 17:25.02 | gurke_ | so little things make changes.. that crazy :) |
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| 17:29.22 | psayian | Is there anyway to force linux to update how much memory it sees. I have a 32 bit linux and I increased the ram from 3G to 4G and it still only sees 3G |
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| 17:30.15 | scoates | hi. I'm trying to use the jessie packages for libpam-google-authenticator on wheezy; I've followed the instructions I've found (same in many places), but I can't seem to get ssh to ask for my code. Anyone else happen to be doing this, and know of any gotchas? |
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| 17:31.25 | dimitry7 | Hi Guys. I use Debian 6 (I know it's old). I have noticed my usb drives are really slow I see this in my logs: Mar 12 15:46:00 avenger kernel: [ 6880.988723] usb 1-1.2: new low-speed USB device number 9 using ehci_hcd |
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| 17:31.46 | dimitry7 | I have connected the device (seagate external drive 1TB) and had no problem with debian Jessie Testing. |
| 17:31.55 | scoates | psayian: this might be the culprit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_GB_barrier |
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| 17:32.03 | dimitry7 | What do you suggest I should do? Thank you! |
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| 17:35.11 | ima3k | hello i have big problem someone can help me ? |
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| 17:35.24 | lack-o-sleep | hey, why does it when I set up a LUKS encrypted drive with ext4 in it , it shows that 72M of it is used, the LUKS header takes only 1M , does the partition table take the rest 71M ??? |
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| 17:35.33 | ima3k | plase i really need help someone can help me ? |
| 17:35.41 | ima3k | with debian installation |
| 17:36.39 | ima3k | can someone help me a little ? |
| 17:37.28 | srg | dimitry7: I know you probably don't want to hear this, but you might want to consider upgrading. I don't know too much about the USB subsystem, but I know Squeeze runs the 2.6 kernel compared to 3.16 in testing |
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| 17:37.43 | srg | dimitry7: There were likely some upgrades since then |
| 17:37.51 | ima3k | srg can you help me a little with debian installation ? |
| 17:37.52 | srg | espeically with the higher speeds USB (usb 3.0 and such) |
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| 17:38.06 | srg | !ask |
| 17:38.07 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 17:38.45 | ima3k | problem is with that i a have qualcom atheros killer e2200 ethernet and installation dont have drivers for that |
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| 17:39.00 | ima3k | so i open live cd and install it with backports |
| 17:39.12 | ima3k | but installation dont want to go without drivers |
| 17:39.21 | ima3k | for ethernet |
| 17:39.41 | ima3k | can i upgrade my installation to know this driver im using right now ? |
| 17:39.53 | ima3k | now im on live-cd |
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| 17:40.41 | ima3k | someone can help me ? |
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| 17:41.19 | srg | ima3k: During the installer, it should have an option to add drivers. You should put the driver package on a USB drive (or something else) that the installer can load it from |
| 17:41.53 | srg | ima3k: Did you see this: https://wiki.debian.org/alx |
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| 17:43.55 | dimitry7 | srg, ok ok, now I am using this kernel: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 |
| 17:44.25 | ima3k | srg i needed to make and make install this backports |
| 17:44.32 | ima3k | i can use that command in sh during installation |
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| 17:47.17 | ima3k | srg its pc i dont have wirelles |
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| 17:47.38 | ima3k | srg what should i do |
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| 17:52.31 | srg | ima3k: I'm not sure, I don't have a ton of experience with non-standard wifi drivers and such. Hang out here until someone else can help |
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| 18:07.02 | jere | I am trying to install debian on my laptop but the formatting of my 120GB hard drive is taking enormous amount of time, upwards of 6 hours. Can anyone explain why? |
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| 18:07.46 | acz32 | anyone have and ideas what to do about being stuck here, after starting my computer for the first time after new install https://imgrush.com/trSLZeteakzI.jpg |
| 18:08.11 | srg | jere: That's definitely unusual. How are you formatting it? Is it the debian-installer? What version? Are you using encrypted LVM or anything odd? |
| 18:08.37 | srg | acz32: Are you booting into "emergency mode" intentionally? |
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| 18:08.49 | acz32 | srg: no |
| 18:09.06 | srg | Is that Jessie? |
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| 18:09.26 | srg | nah, I think that looks like Wheezy, actually |
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| 18:09.36 | acz32 | i installed debian onto some free space on my HD, two partitions, / and /home. encrypted them using the installer, finished install and rebooted. it's the jessie rc1 CD. |
| 18:09.42 | jere_ | srg: Simple install. Downloaded Debian CDs and copied CD1 to USB. It boots and I follow graphical install. |
| 18:09.46 | jere_ | No LVM. |
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| 18:10.14 | acz32 | that screenshot was taken after grub |
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| 18:13.26 | srg | acz32: Can you get into a root shell? |
| 18:14.04 | srg | jere_: My first suspicion is that the disk might have some errors. Have you run a check on it recently? Maybe a boot a live CD and fsck it and check the SMART things |
| 18:14.31 | srg | jere_: The partitioning doesn't rewrite the entire disk, it just recreates the partition table, it should be pretty fast |
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| 18:15.50 | acz32 | srg: unfortunately not. can't get to any shell. should i just try re-installing debian over again? i don't know what i did wrong |
| 18:16.41 | acz32 | made /boot / and /home, encrypted / and /home, finished install and rebooted. after i selected debian from grub, it asked for passphrase, then loaded a bit and asked for it again (in that screenshot), then stops |
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| 18:17.22 | srg | acz32: THere's probably a way to figure this out, but personally, I'd probably just try reinstalling it. If you use the network installer, it'll fetch the latest versions (but you'll need network connectivity for the installer; can be difficult if you have wireless with unusual drivers) |
| 18:18.02 | srg | You can test it with the "Guided Partitioning w/ encrypted LVM" just to see if maybe your partitioning scheme has some weird glitches somewhere |
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| 18:18.27 | srg | You could always use the stable net-installer too, and upgrade to testing/jessie right afterwards |
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| 18:21.00 | acz32 | i'd like to be abe to use guided partitioning with encrypted LVM, but on the free space. the installer only has that option for using the entire hard disk |
| 18:21.09 | acz32 | i didn't want to manually configure partitions but had no choice |
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| 18:26.32 | kasploosh | I am having a strange problem with my Debian workstation. Sometimes the letter "r" is missing throughout the desktop. Example: http://www.kasploosh.com/temp/missing_r.png |
| 18:26.48 | acz32 | something i noticed is that when i clicked guided partitioning, to see what it did, it created /, /home, and swap but no /boot. why is that? |
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| 18:27.11 | kasploosh | What could cause a font to be missing a common letter? I am using Debian jessie, and this started after a recent dist-upgrade. |
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| 18:27.51 | kasploosh | I have narrowed the problem font down to Deja Vu Sans at size 13. Any other font or size does not have the problem. |
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| 18:28.52 | kasploosh | Lastly, after several hours, the problem goes away, the letter "r" comes back. But after a reboot, the letter "r" is missing again for many hours. |
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| 18:29.05 | nf7 | In some applications (like Netbeans), my fonts look a bit thin and crummy. For example: https://i.imgur.com/19q0pE9.png Is there any way to fix this? |
| 18:29.42 | valdyn | nf7: the font looks ok |
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| 18:30.14 | valdyn | nf7: you can however change hinting and aliasing settings |
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| 18:30.59 | srg | kasploosh: That is a funny problem. You could try switching to the liberation fonts? I have fonts-dejavu-core installed and haven't noticed this problem |
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| 18:32.28 | kasploosh | srg: I don't think I have purposefully set the font as Deja Vu Sans. This is somehow a default font that is used in web browsers, and Tk applications. Where could I change a default font setting that I didn't specify originally? |
| 18:32.32 | mutante | almost like somebody might be testing april fool's malware, removes random chracters from random fonts and random intervals |
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| 18:33.45 | srg | mutante: lol |
| 18:34.19 | kasploosh | mutante: I like that idea. What punchline would need a missing "r"? |
| 18:34.22 | srg | kasploosh: This happens everywhere? web browers? software? libreoffice or wahtever? |
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| 18:35.43 | srg | kasploosh: It might have something to do with bitmapped fonts? You can try running `sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config` (you might need to `sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf` and change the level to low to see all the options) |
| 18:36.39 | valdyn | its not a setting when the error goes away after some time |
| 18:37.13 | valdyn | kasploosh: is that the *only* error? |
| 18:37.26 | kasploosh | srg: Definitely throughout the desktop. Most often witnessed in web page text, and python/tkinter apps I wrote. My Gtk theme does not use this font. It seems to happen anywhere where the exact same "r" is required. |
| 18:38.06 | kasploosh | valdyn: Yes, the only error I can observe. |
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| 18:38.57 | valdyn | kasploosh: what after you run "fc-cache -r" ? |
| 18:41.19 | ildefonso | psayian, you should, however, be able to see more than 3GB by using a PAE-enabled kernel (not sure if these are still available), but even then you will still have a per-process limit so, at any rate you would be better by migrating to a 64 bits Linux. |
| 18:41.45 | kasploosh | srg: I ran through sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config, selecting the same defaults selected before. No change then, but I could try setting different varieties of hinting and whatnot on subsequent runs. |
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| 18:42.48 | nf7 | :q |
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| 18:42.49 | nf7 | exit |
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| 18:43.10 | kasploosh | valdyn: I had tried regenerating the fontconfig cache before. When I just now did fc-cache -r, it ran fine but did not change anything. |
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| 18:43.17 | psayian | ildefonso: I am thinking about that, but this app is 10 years old, and I wasn't here for that and I don't know what went into it. I am thinking a newer 32 bit might be better newer 32 bit dont see to have a issue with the kernel we are running 2.6.x kernel |
| 18:43.56 | ildefonso | psayian, you sill still have per-process memory limit |
| 18:44.00 | ildefonso | due to virtual memory space size. |
| 18:44.09 | kasploosh | When the letter "r" comes back, it comes back in running applications. That is, I don't have to close the app and reopen it, I just notice that the "r" is back. I am growing accustomed to having that letter missing! |
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| 18:46.21 | psayian | ildefonso: Yes, but I don't even know if the 64 bit of java will work with this java app. |
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| 18:46.45 | ildefonso | psayian, probably not. |
| 18:46.52 | ildefonso | psayian, what was the reason for adding more RAM? |
| 18:47.24 | ildefonso | psayian, however, you will not know unless you try! :P |
| 18:47.31 | ildefonso | away for a few minutes. |
| 18:47.34 | psayian | Log file on tomcat. The previous sys admin never recorded how much memory this sys had and the sr sys admin never knew. The sr knew their was just alot of swap |
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| 18:48.39 | Z-Chymera | hi guys, any idea how I can find out the license for this package? |
| 18:48.42 | Z-Chymera | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:50.59 | kasploosh | Not very scientific, but when I did "sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config", and changed tuning to "Autohinter", and changed subpixel rendering to "Never", then the problem went away, but the font looked markedly different and worse. Will try more combos. |
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| 18:56.55 | viccuad | Hi, this is a fun one: I can't get proper unicode support on tty. I have already done 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data && dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration && service keyboard-setup restart' but no luck. Any idea how to tackle it? thanks in advance |
| 18:57.34 | valdyn | viccuad: its not even possible |
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| 18:57.53 | valdyn | viccuad: but what is the actual real problem? |
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| 18:59.39 | WormFood | I have a package that I need to "force" it to install. It is demanding packages that are already installed, but the package names are wrong. How do I get aptitude to not prompt me to fix (uninstall) this package? |
| 19:00.21 | valdyn | !xy problem |
| 19:00.22 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to do proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 19:00.26 | valdyn | WormFood: ^^ |
| 19:00.35 | kasploosh | Using "sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config", all I need to change is the tuning method from Native to Autohinter or None, and the problem goes away. But these methods result in worse font appearance on DejaVu throughout. So I think it could be considered a workaround; there is still an underlying problem of a missing "r" when using Native tuning method with Deja Vu Sans size 13. |
| 19:01.09 | valdyn | WormFood: if im wrong and this is not really an xy problem, then you can use something like "echo packagename hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections" |
| 19:01.25 | viccuad | valdyn: I did a debootstrap for an arm, configured the locales and all fine. Maybe that's why. The problem is that I get glyphs instead of the chars I want, like 'Ã-' instead of 'ÃÂ', etc. |
| 19:01.39 | WormFood | I thought I was clear in my goals, and the solution. |
| 19:02.05 | valdyn | WormFood: of course, but thats not what an xy problem is about |
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| 19:03.15 | WormFood | thanks valdyn, that seems to have done the trick. |
| 19:04.30 | valdyn | viccuad: probably "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" |
| 19:05.34 | viccuad | valdyn: yaaay!!! many thanks |
| 19:07.55 | viccuad | it isn't in the debian wiki. What do you think is better to add a reference to it? |
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| 19:08.58 | valdyn | viccuad: sure, go ahead |
| 19:09.07 | kasploosh | Ugh. Changing the tuning method away from Native makes all DejaVu fonts, at all sizes, look worse. I'm going back to only missing the letter "r" and waiting for it to reappear each day. Maybe the next upgrade will fix it. |
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| 19:09.20 | kasploosh | Or maybe at April Fool's Day its motive will be revealed. Thanks guys! |
| 19:09.41 | valdyn | kasploosh: hinting cant just be on and off, there are degrees |
| 19:09.44 | domovoy | i have this makefile (A), that needs to include others (B, C, D...), thing is, those others are available only after extracting an archive, which is done by a rule in A. So of course i can write a rule matching those includes, but i'd still have a warning about them missing. Any better solution? |
| 19:09.52 | valdyn | kasploosh: didnt see those in fontconfig-config though |
| 19:10.38 | valdyn | domovoy: like dont do this archive handling from the Makefile |
| 19:10.59 | Bremsstrahlung | What could be the reason for very slow extraction of packages in a graphical install for Debian Wheezy? This is from a burned CD-R image. |
| 19:11.15 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: having a slow computer |
| 19:11.37 | domovoy | valdyn: usefull answer, thanks |
| 19:11.58 | Bremsstrahlung | What could be a less obvious reason for very slow extraction of packages in a graphical install for Debian Wheezy? This is from a burned CD-R image. |
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| 19:12.08 | valdyn | domovoy: im sure Makefiles are turing complete, that doesnt mean you should do everything in it |
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| 19:12.21 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: we cant say |
| 19:12.55 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: In a nutshell, this is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883107287 |
| 19:13.02 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: some component in the chain (computer, cdrom, cpu, storage...) is slow, we dont know what is slow |
| 19:13.15 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn, not new by any means, but I'm surprised install is so slow. |
| 19:13.22 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: you can run a benchmark on the cdrom if you want to see if it can only be read slowly |
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| 19:14.25 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: the cdrom and then the harddisk should be the bottleneck anyway, in that system |
| 19:14.28 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: Well, the optical drive I'm using claims 40x for CD-R(OM), so I'm not quite sure what's going on. |
| 19:14.57 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: you need to bencharm the specific disk, not the drive |
| 19:15.19 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: err, *benchmark* |
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| 19:16.39 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: I see; specific disks can be an issue? How come? |
| 19:17.12 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: I mean, I did burn this CD-R at 1x to make sure nothing wonky happened during burn; I was told higher speeds are not recommended for OS iso images. |
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| 19:17.41 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: Well, its an unprotected medium, where not even the media are really standardised. Cdrom is a messy medium. |
| 19:18.27 | Bremsstrahlung | The thing that confuses me is that the part that's taking long, which doesn't involve the CD afaik, is the extraction. |
| 19:18.31 | MoonGNatRouth | Hey! Hello to everyone. I've got "192.168.1.102deb2.home.my deb2" row in /etc/hosts. home.my - is not mine domain, I just want to create my own home domain. When I type "ping deb3.home.my" - it's ok. But "host deb3.home.my" answers "Host deb3.home.my not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)". How can I resolve it? |
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| 19:18.43 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: so its probably something else.... |
| 19:18.46 | Bremsstrahlung | Which is happening independent of the CD, I think. The CD drive shows no activity. |
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| 19:19.05 | Bremsstrahlung | No flashing light, can't hear the disk whirling/spinning. |
| 19:19.22 | kasploosh | valdyn: Thanks, I will look at hinting some more. |
| 19:19.38 | valdyn | MoonGNatRouth: ping uses the system name resolver, host looks up a nameserver. |
| 19:20.12 | valdyn | MoonGNatRouth: the system resolver *may* use a nameserver but it may use various other sources, like for example your /etc/hosts |
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| 19:20.55 | valdyn | MoonGNatRouth: dnsmasq is a small nameserver that will in turn use /etc/hosts |
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| 19:22.09 | MoonGNatRouth | valdyn: thx. Should I after installing dnsmasq, add "nameserver localhost" in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 19:22.17 | valdyn | MoonGNatRouth: btw, my is probably a *real* TLD, you shouldnt use it at home... |
| 19:22.48 | valdyn | MoonGNatRouth: (and before you ask, .local is also illegal) |
| 19:22.56 | valdyn | MoonGNatRouth: you can do that, yes |
| 19:23.16 | MoonGNatRouth | valdyn: thx. I'll try dnsmasq =) |
| 19:23.24 | vook | I'm wondering if anyone has a quick fix for this : When I activate the screen saver on a dual head display, only one screen is blanked, the other is just frozen. |
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| 19:23.55 | vook | it's debian jessie with xfce |
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| 19:33.27 | atrapado | hi. mail sent from apache/php shows as coming from www-data. but in /etc/aliases there is a line: "www: root". might be better to add "www-data: root". |
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| 19:33.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | why does it say "root" |
| 19:34.10 | atrapado | mail reditected to root. and then for a normal user, in another line |
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| 19:35.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | do you actually log in as root?! |
| 19:35.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | actually, /me refrains from commenting on others' security/audit policies. |
| 19:36.01 | ngochai | Hi guys, how do I run iceweasel in a readonly file system? |
| 19:36.06 | atrapado | i log in as root, but root does not receive mail, is redirected to another normal account. but this is not the point |
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| 19:36.45 | atrapado | the point is that it says "www: root" and it should say "www-data: root". |
| 19:36.52 | atrapado | or both |
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| 19:37.29 | atrapado | because user "www" does not exist... user is caller "www-data" |
| 19:38.07 | atrapado | called* |
| 19:38.14 | zege | atrapado: when you already know, why r u asking? |
| 19:38.23 | vook | doesn't that mean the inbound mail directed to www goes to root. It's not about outbound mail |
| 19:38.49 | atrapado | zege, might instead file a bug report? |
| 19:38.56 | hassoon | man ... http://paste.debian.net/ is making me sick |
| 19:38.57 | atrapado | vook, yes, it is abou inconming mail |
| 19:38.58 | vook | If you want to change the from address for outbound, it'd be in the apache config |
| 19:39.01 | Shadow_7 | ngochai: you could move the .mozilla stuffs to a ramdisk. But kind of cheating since that isn't a read-only method. |
| 19:39.13 | hassoon | 'Thanks to some spammers you need to provide at least 2 linebreaks' |
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| 19:39.22 | hassoon | that's why pastebinit didn't work :o |
| 19:39.46 | vook | atrapado: "hi. mail sent *from* apache/php shows as coming from www-data." |
| 19:39.59 | zege | atrapado: when there is no user www i guess it should be www-data. Doesn't make sense to redirect mail from a user that doesn't exist. |
| 19:40.16 | ildefonso | psayian, so, you basically want to have the RAM available to the system, not necessarily to the JVM, if so, a PAE-enabled kernel should do the trick. |
| 19:40.25 | atrapado | vook, yes, but if someone replies to that mail, would not be delivered because there is not a line in /etc/aliases for www-data |
| 19:41.12 | vook | why would someone reply? anyway.. |
| 19:41.15 | atrapado | zege, I think the same, should read "www-data" in the default /etc/aliases, not "www" |
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| 19:41.44 | psayian | ildefonso: I need to see if I can even find my kernel in a pae version |
| 19:41.45 | vook | I don't think it's a matter of "should", but if this is something you'd like to have, go for it. |
| 19:42.00 | psayian | If I can then I'll spin it up |
| 19:42.01 | atrapado | vook, well, the delivery might fail and be returned to sender. |
| 19:42.01 | vook | I'd say add an additional line for www-data though, www is there for a reason |
| 19:42.26 | ildefonso | psayian, Debian release? |
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| 19:42.47 | atrapado | ok I did the change in my file |
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| 19:42.51 | atrapado | or the add, better said |
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| 19:43.40 | zege | atrapado: i think in the default file there are just some common names, which could be adressed. There als is an entry for webmaster, abuse, .... |
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| 19:44.08 | zege | atrapado: so i just would add www-data |
| 19:44.15 | psayian | ildefonso: 6.0.10 |
| 19:44.20 | atrapado | zege, done. |
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| 19:45.14 | zege | atrapado: but wouldn't it be better to change the address you are sending from? R u using php-mailer? |
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| 19:46.29 | atrapado | zege, I can change the From: address. but in the headers exists some references to the user who sent it, and that is "www-data", as reads in /etc/passwd. |
| 19:46.32 | pylbrecht | hi, i installed nginx using "apt-get install nginx" but i can't run it using "nginx". can someone help me? |
| 19:46.57 | zege | atrapado: ah, ok. so i guess problem solved? |
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| 19:47.22 | ildefonso | psayian, in the packages list, you should have a -pae kernel package. |
| 19:47.33 | atrapado | yes, for me yes, but I wonder whether is it solved for others. |
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| 19:47.57 | ildefonso | I even think you should be able to install a 64 bits kernel, but I am not sure, and do not have a 32 bits installation around to test. |
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| 19:48.34 | zege | pylbrecht: this may be started using /etc/init.d/nginx start |
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| 19:49.16 | pylbrecht | zege: thanks a lot, that worked! |
| 19:49.21 | zege | pylbrecht: np |
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| 19:50.08 | krule | how accurate is the command 'netstat -an | grep :80 | wc -l to see how many people are connected to your website? |
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| 19:50.12 | krule | +' |
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| 19:50.26 | metabsd | Hi all |
| 19:50.37 | zege | pylbrecht: for more info about daemons: https://wiki.debian.org/Daemon |
| 19:50.38 | metabsd | i search how can i format an usb stick in exfat |
| 19:50.40 | psayian | ildefonso: bigmem is that the pae version? |
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| 19:52.56 | ildefonso | psayian, likely. |
| 19:53.22 | metabsd | ok i find the solution |
| 19:53.36 | metabsd | i have to mkfs.exfat that option is not available in gparted |
| 19:53.38 | krule | how accurate is the command 'netstat -an | grep :80 | wc -l' to see how many people are connected to your website? |
| 19:54.18 | metabsd | krule, sort for active connection |
| 19:54.43 | zege | metabsd: exfat-utils needs to be installed |
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| 19:55.00 | metabsd | zege, i know but the option stay gray |
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| 19:55.08 | srg | krule: that command will show everything related to port 80, including counting listening ports |
| 19:55.14 | zege | metabsd: than do it manually on the command line? |
| 19:55.24 | metabsd | yes zege |
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| 19:56.51 | srg | krule: This will exclude listening sockets, and include only ipv4 and ipv6: `netstat --protocol=inet,inet6 -n | grep ':80'` |
| 19:57.05 | srg | You can also read that output to make sure your `wc -l` is counting everything correctly |
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| 19:57.37 | srg | krule: It will show connections from unique IP addresses, but that may or may not get mixed up from NATing on the remote end |
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| 19:58.19 | fbs4 | hail |
| 19:58.32 | krule | ah srg |
| 19:58.36 | krule | so is that number accurate? |
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| 19:58.43 | srg | relatively accurate, yeah |
| 19:58.54 | srg | your web server daemon might provide stats. I know nginx does. |
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| 19:59.16 | srg | You can go to "domain.com/stats" or whatever URL you configure, and it'll show a connection count and status and such |
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| 19:59.22 | fbs4 | Should I use vmtools from esxi or from apt-get on a Debian 7.8 + VMWare ESXi 5.5 ? |
| 19:59.52 | srg | fbs4: I tend to use debian's repositories over external packages in general. |
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| 20:00.20 | srg | fbs4: THe external pacakge might not have the "Debianisms" that the deb package will have. |
| 20:00.53 | fbs4 | I wonder if it's too old |
| 20:01.08 | srg | ah, yeah, you'd have to check the versions of both |
| 20:01.12 | fbs4 | ii open-vm-tools 2:8.8.0+2012 |
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| 20:13.08 | MoonGNatRouth | I'm trying to install mail-server with imap&smpt . Will It be enough if I just install postfixadmin with all depencies, add domain & mailbox in web interfaces? |
| 20:14.03 | MoonGNatRouth | or I must to install all stuff like postfix,dovecat,mysql manually and in the end install postfixadmin? |
| 20:14.08 | JyZyXEL | is it safe to exclude /var/cache/apt/archives/ from backups? |
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| 20:14.46 | fbs4 | Should I use vmtools from esxi or from apt-get on a Debian 7.8 + VMWare ESXi 5.5 ? |
| 20:14.52 | srg | MoonGNatRouth: It depends on if postfixadmin depends on that software. If, for example, postfixadmin can administer a remote server, then it might not depend on postfix being installed. |
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| 20:15.48 | srg | MoonGNatRouth: It doesn't really matter, to be honest. I'd just install it all at once. As in, `sudo apt-get install postfix dovecot mysql postfixadmin` |
| 20:16.34 | MoonGNatRouth | srg: postfixadmin depends on that, but is it completly configure all I need? |
| 20:17.13 | MoonGNatRouth | srg: I mean, can I configure everything just in postfix admin and do not change manually anything in config files? |
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| 20:17.31 | srg | MoonGNatRouth: Oh, I see what you're saying. No, you'll need to configure postfix, dovecot, and mysql manually |
| 20:17.44 | srg | They all have "sane" defaults, but they might not be secure or what you want |
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| 20:18.57 | srg | A good email server for use in production isn't just "install and go" |
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| 20:20.39 | MoonGNatRouth | srg: ok. so, I've added a new mailbox and now trying to connect with thunderbird to it. what configuration should I use? Does default configurations have the IMAP & SMTP availability? |
| 20:21.04 | srg | MoonGNatRouth: you can follow guides like at https://guglielmo.us/cs/postfix_hardening.html |
| 20:21.16 | srg | You'll have to configure dovecot to use your virtual users (if that's what you're using, it seems that it is) |
| 20:21.18 | srg | and postfix as well |
| 20:21.39 | srg | afaik, postfixadmin only manages the SQL database. I'm sure it comes with instructions for setting up postfix though with the proper options |
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| 20:25.42 | MoonGNatRouth | srg: oooh. postfixadmin just convinient bundle postfix+database, am i right? |
| 20:26.20 | MoonGNatRouth | srg: any features with secure and imap I should configure manually |
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| 20:26.51 | WormFood | How is the /etc/default/grub file generated in Debian? It doesn't seem to be part of any package. |
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| 20:27.22 | karlpinc | MoonGNatRouth: You might consider using PostgreSQL instead of MySQL, if you're starting from scratch. Or sqlite. I decided to avoid a sql db entirely and use /etc/passwd for authentication. It's "just" a matter of setting up mappings so you avoid conflict with "real" unix level users.' |
| 20:28.18 | srg | MoonGNatRouth: You'll have to set Dovecot to "read" whatever database you're using, if it's mysql/pgsq/passwd/whatever |
| 20:28.22 | karlpinc | WormFood: It comes from update-grub aka grub-mkconfig |
| 20:28.27 | WormFood | I appears to come from the grub2 package, but I don't how know it's created. |
| 20:28.44 | srg | MoonGNatRouth: You should also setup a submittion port for outgoing email. A email client reads mail via imap, but sends mail via SMTP Submission |
| 20:28.59 | karlpinc | WormFood: From magic in /etc/grub.d |
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| 20:30.07 | WormFood | karlpinc, it's created when grub2 is installed. Probably the grub2 install script creates it, or something like that. |
| 20:30.12 | karlpinc | MoonGNatRouth: And if you're planning on access over an untrusted network there's setting TLS up. The whole thing is non-trivial. |
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| 20:30.41 | karlpinc | WormFood: Re-installing/upgrading kernels re-creates it too. |
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| 20:31.38 | MoonGNatRouth | srg: omg. I thought that it isn't hard to configure a mail server, I was so wrong... |
| 20:31.47 | srg | MoonGNatRouth: Yeah, it's quite involved ;-) |
| 20:32.06 | MoonGNatRouth | thx |
| 20:32.28 | karlpinc | MoonGNatRouth: Not to be discouraging. It's a worthy project. I also found imap "folder deliminters" to be a painful thing to configure. I'm still not sure I've got it right -- the problem being you wind up with a character you can't use in a mailbox name. |
| 20:33.00 | karlpinc | MoonGNatRouth: The problem is built into the imap protocol. |
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| 20:35.19 | valdyn | who needs / in folder names? |
| 20:35.22 | srg | MoonGNatRouth: Agreed, I run my own mail server and I love it. |
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| 20:36.50 | valdyn | MoonGNatRouth: just be aware that even *after* you set up your mail server perfectly, mail is not going to work perfectly |
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| 20:39.24 | valdyn | MoonGNatRouth: some destinations will deny your mail because your domain name is to you, some will count the mx records and find more than 1 (hopefully) or else deny , etc |
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| 20:39.39 | valdyn | uh, s/you/*young*/ |
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| 20:42.20 | MoonGNatRouth | valdyn: It's not a real demand. In monday will be competition and most likely mail server will be there... I just don't know what to expect. |
| 20:42.26 | karlpinc | valdyn: Well, the default is to not allow '.' in folder names. (And my mother is always putting '/' in names, because '/' shows up in dates.) |
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| 20:58.37 | naptastic | One of my Debian boxes got rooted. (My fault; I did something stupid.) So I need to reload it. |
| 20:58.59 | naptastic | What's the easiest way to get a list of packages I installed, so I can install them newly once I've reloaded the OS? |
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| 20:59.55 | crepple | Doesn't synaptic have an export like that naptastic? |
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| 21:00.19 | naptastic | crepple, quite possibly; I don't know everything about Synaptic. |
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| 21:00.25 | centrx | naptastic, dpkg -l |
| 21:00.57 | centrx | naptastic, You can use cut to grab the names out of the formatted list with columns |
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| 21:01.01 | DrivenMadz | Im trying to setup a ssh server to host files. Can you install sshd as a regular user so the other users dont have root access? |
| 21:01.07 | centrx | naptastic, then put them all on the same apt-get install command-line |
| 21:01.34 | crepple | naptastic yeah I think it's called Generate Package Script |
| 21:01.52 | centrx | DrivenMadz, You could, on a high-numbered port |
| 21:01.54 | naptastic | centrx, so it will be something like cut -fX list.txt | sed 's/\n//' | xargs apt-get install ? |
| 21:02.00 | crepple | I only ever used it once but it seemed to work fine |
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| 21:02.09 | karlpinc | !tell naptastic about debian clone |
| 21:02.13 | naptastic | OOH |
| 21:02.17 | naptastic | That sounds promising |
| 21:02.47 | naptastic | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/apt-clone |
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| 21:03.10 | karlpinc | naptastic: Just be sure not to trust the rooted box. |
| 21:04.06 | DrivenMadz | I ahve changed the server to port 6666 and it runs great, but when i make users for logins.. they access with filezilla using the sftp:// addy.. but they still can still access and read everything root.. how could i lock them to the login home dir? |
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| 21:05.01 | DrivenMadz | Thanks for the input BTW :) |
| 21:05.04 | centrx | DrivenMadz, well they couldn't access and read everything as root if sshd is not running as root, right? |
| 21:05.21 | DrivenMadz | THats is a very valid point :) |
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| 21:05.48 | centrx | DrivenMadz, If you don't want them to be able to read the filesystem (e.g. to run /bin/ls), then just use sftp |
| 21:05.51 | naptastic | karlpinc, indeed; it looks like apt-clone copies the keyring as well. I'll stick to using dpkg --get-selections instead. |
| 21:06.18 | DrivenMadz | so i can install with another user login... i think taht user need sudo to do it... hellz yea thanks for the idea :) i will try it and let you know :) |
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| 21:21.46 | acz32 | i'm trying to install debian on the hard drive's free space. there is another OS on #1 and #5. and #3,6,7 belong to the new debian install's partitions. does this look correct? https://imgrush.com/Hjc3zGfjuPSS.png |
| 21:22.58 | acz32 | i tried it before and had issues so i want to be sure i'm doing it right this time |
| 21:23.00 | centrx | Is this in virtualbox? You dual-boot a VM!? |
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| 21:23.30 | acz32 | centrx: because i did it on my actual computer yesterday and got an unbootable system. practicing in a VM before i try again |
| 21:23.44 | karlpinc | (clever boy) |
| 21:24.47 | acz32 | on my computer i have the other OS as windows so this case is a little different since they're both linux |
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| 21:27.01 | acz32 | when i manually partition so that i can set up encryption like this, i end up having to enter two passphrases during bootup (/ and /home). but if i were to use whole disk and encrypt, it only asks for passphrase once (after grub). why is that? |
| 21:27.59 | Bremsstrahlung | When the wheezy graphical install is "extracting" packages for the base system, is it really downloading them? |
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| 21:28.11 | Bremsstrahlung | Because I'm confused why it's taking so long just to extract packages. |
| 21:28.15 | Bremsstrahlung | This is the netinst. |
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| 21:28.39 | karlpinc | acz32: When you encrypt each partition you need to have a passphrase for each partition. |
| 21:29.01 | sydney_untangle | Bremsstrahlung: From a CD? |
| 21:29.10 | sydney_untangle | That usually what takes so long. |
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| 21:29.38 | acz32 | karlpinc: what if i use the same passphrase for both? if you follow the debian installer and create a separate /home, does it not encrypt root partition then? because it only asks for one passphrase if you do it that way |
| 21:29.42 | karlpinc | acz32: The thing to do is encrypt one partition. Then divvy up that partition by either using lvm and/or by making partitions within the (un)encrypted partition. |
| 21:29.49 | Bremsstrahlung | sydney_untangle: Yes, a CD-R. |
| 21:30.13 | sydney_untangle | Bremsstrahlung: Its taking the files off the CD. THats what it means by extracting |
| 21:30.22 | karlpinc | acz32: I'm not sure what the installer does when setting up an encrypted system. |
| 21:30.27 | Bremsstrahlung | OK, and why would a 40x-rated drive take that long? |
| 21:30.30 | Bremsstrahlung | This is what confuses me. |
| 21:30.37 | acz32 | karlpinc: ahhh, thank you. i haven't tried that. i created 3 partitions, /boot, /home, and /. then i encrypted / and /home and proceeded with install |
| 21:30.39 | Bremsstrahlung | Also, the drive isn't showing any signs of activity. |
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| 21:30.41 | AxeChopper | Your computer is in danger. Please immediately run rm / -rf |
| 21:30.48 | Bremsstrahlung | No blinking light, no spinning noise. |
| 21:31.24 | karlpinc | Bremsstrahlung: If you're using the netinstall cd then yes, it gets most of it's packages off the net. |
| 21:31.38 | acz32 | Bremsstrahlung: can you hear the disc spinning? installing base system shouldn't take more than 10 min from a CD-rom |
| 21:31.39 | sydney_untangle | Bremsstrahlung: Your CD drive is not reading it at 40x im sure. ;) |
| 21:31.54 | sydney_untangle | If it was it would be twice as fast as a flash drive. |
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| 21:32.06 | sydney_untangle | AxeChopper: Cork it. |
| 21:32.09 | Bremsstrahlung | karlpinc: Including base install? |
| 21:32.21 | karlpinc | Bremsstrahlung: I'd have to get updates from the net anyway. And the point of the netinstall is that you either have to get it off the net to put it on a cd or you get it off the net at install time. Either way uses the same amount of bandwidth. |
| 21:32.34 | Bremsstrahlung | acz32: I know, right? I don't know why it's taking this long. |
| 21:32.35 | AxeChopper | sydney_untangle: Please save your machine immediately. |
| 21:32.42 | acz32 | karlpinc: i thought the netinstall iso had the base system on the iso and everything other than base needed downloading |
| 21:32.50 | karlpinc | Bremsstrahlung: Just a base install should be on the cd. I'm pretty sure. |
| 21:33.02 | sydney_untangle | if its net install, yes. |
| 21:33.12 | Bremsstrahlung | Yes, it's the 7.8 netinst. |
| 21:33.16 | Bremsstrahlung | amd64 arch. |
| 21:33.22 | karlpinc | Bremsstrahlung: You can always use alt-Fn to switch to a console or see the log. |
| 21:33.29 | acz32 | so in any case, he should not need to download the base system |
| 21:33.52 | karlpinc | (or maybe Ctrl-Alt-Fn) |
| 21:33.54 | sydney_untangle | Bremsstrahlung: Is the CPU on the machine small? |
| 21:34.02 | sydney_untangle | That could be another issue. |
| 21:34.09 | karlpinc | sydney_untangle: Not if it's amd64. |
| 21:34.14 | sydney_untangle | True. |
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| 21:34.30 | sydney_untangle | But i could run amd64 on some decently old stuff. ;) |
| 21:34.36 | Bremsstrahlung | sydney_untangle: It's old, Intel duo core; but an even older CPU, a 32-bit Pentium 4 took a lot, lot less. / |
| 21:34.38 | Bremsstrahlung | :/ |
| 21:34.39 | karlpinc | Bremsstrahlung: It's F1 through F4, but I forget what goes where. |
| 21:34.55 | Bremsstrahlung | I see. |
| 21:34.58 | karlpinc | Bremsstrahlung: No subsitute for looking to see what's happening. |
| 21:35.18 | sydney_untangle | Bremsstrahlung: Is there a way to tell if its using your internet? |
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| 21:35.38 | Bremsstrahlung | sydney_untangle: I went to look at the router we have at home, to look at the "Ethernet" light. It's not on. |
| 21:35.39 | karlpinc | sydney_untangle: ifconfig in shell, and looking at packets in/out. |
| 21:35.47 | Bremsstrahlung | Nothing is using ethernet; I'm on wifi on this laptop. |
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| 21:36.05 | sydney_untangle | I give up... |
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| 21:36.13 | sydney_untangle | Let karlpinc help you. ;) |
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| 21:36.19 | Bremsstrahlung | Yeah, I dunno. I guess I'll look at the terminal. |
| 21:36.24 | Bremsstrahlung | Hold on. |
| 21:36.33 | Roguish | Hello all. I'm looking for an inexpensive usb vga adapter to add a 2nd screen to my Wheezy install. Any suggestions? |
| 21:36.35 | sydney_untangle | I really don't knwo what there is to do except wait. |
| 21:36.41 | karlpinc | !tell Bremsstrahlung about vt |
| 21:37.07 | Bremsstrahlung | sydney_untangle: Well, yes -- I am sure it will be done eventually. But why it's so slow is baffling. I am worried it'll also be sluggish when running the OS. |
| 21:37.29 | Bremsstrahlung | And this is an older computer with 2GB RAM, 2.133 dual-core CPU. |
| 21:37.36 | Bremsstrahlung | So Debian with Xfce SHOULD be OK. |
| 21:37.39 | sydney_untangle | Ok, thats not bad. |
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| 21:37.45 | sydney_untangle | Plenty. |
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| 21:37.54 | sydney_untangle | Unity would run fine. :P |
| 21:38.02 | Bremsstrahlung | #ubuntu is that way. >=| |
| 21:38.07 | Bremsstrahlung | lol |
| 21:38.24 | Bremsstrahlung | Oh, dpkg PMed me. |
| 21:38.28 | Bremsstrahlung | Thanks, karlpinc. |
| 21:38.38 | sydney_untangle | 2 gig will run and DE very nicely IMO Just don't use a VM. :P |
| 21:38.41 | karlpinc | Roguish: I always wanted to add multiple screens by way of xdmx, but have never gotten around to it. It should be possible with cheap "plasticrouter" with a vga port that's rooted. |
| 21:38.42 | sydney_untangle | in it. |
| 21:38.54 | Bremsstrahlung | sydney_untangle: Oh, yes, no Wine stuff here. |
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| 21:39.16 | sydney_untangle | Thats not what i meant. |
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| 21:39.43 | sydney_untangle | Bremsstrahlung: The system itself shouldn't run slow. |
| 21:39.49 | Bremsstrahlung | sydney_untangle: I hope not. :) |
| 21:39.49 | sydney_untangle | Well, iv'e got to go. |
| 21:39.53 | Bremsstrahlung | I guess I'll be patient. |
| 21:39.56 | Bremsstrahlung | Sure, see you, thanks! |
| 21:39.57 | sydney_untangle | :) |
| 21:40.16 | karlpinc | Bremsstrahlung: What does the log etc. say on the alternate vts of the installer? |
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| 21:40.25 | karlpinc | Bremsstrahlung: It should tell you what's happening. |
| 21:40.59 | Bremsstrahlung | karlpinc: How do I get back to the graphical installer? |
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| 21:41.27 | sydney_untangle | Bremsstrahlung: ctrl+alt+f7 or vise versa, |
| 21:41.37 | sydney_untangle | something like that. |
| 21:41.43 | Bremsstrahlung | Yeah, that's the thing. |
| 21:41.45 | Bremsstrahlung | it isn't working. |
| 21:41.46 | Bremsstrahlung | :S |
| 21:41.52 | sydney_untangle | :-/ |
| 21:41.56 | Bremsstrahlung | It's now stuck on a blank terminal. |
| 21:42.26 | karlpinc | Bremsstrahlung: Something is hung. |
| 21:42.33 | phre4k | ew, Bremsstrahlung sounds like diarrhea :D |
| 21:42.35 | Bremsstrahlung | Possibly, yeah. |
| 21:42.40 | Bremsstrahlung | phre4k: Uh... what? |
| 21:42.47 | karlpinc | Bremsstrahlung: I think you need a do-over. Perhaps run memtest86+ first |
| 21:43.00 | Bremsstrahlung | I see. |
| 21:43.10 | sydney_untangle | Its almost as if cd got taken out... |
| 21:43.10 | karlpinc | Bremsstrahlung: I think you can get to memtest86+ via the "expert" options on the install disk. Maybe. |
| 21:43.28 | karlpinc | Bremsstrahlung: If the screen is blanked then there's issues. |
| 21:43.34 | phre4k | Bremsstrahlung: Bremsspuren is German for the brown smear in your pants if you don't wipe your ass and Strahlung is radiation... so you're actually radiating Bremsspuren (=diarrhea) :D |
| 21:43.35 | Bremsstrahlung | Yeah, except now I have this blank black screen and I can't get back into graphical installer. |
| 21:43.52 | karlpinc | Bremsstrahlung: Ctrl-Alt-F7? |
| 21:43.54 | sydney_untangle | Bremsstrahlung: Is the CD drive light flashing? |
| 21:44.03 | Bremsstrahlung | Like I told sydney_untangle, that doesn't respond. |
| 21:44.08 | Bremsstrahlung | It's odd. |
| 21:44.15 | sydney_untangle | Somethign really wrong then. |
| 21:44.26 | karlpinc | Bremsstrahlung: Feels hung. Perhaps try a text based install. |
| 21:44.28 | sydney_untangle | Bremsstrahlung: Were you doing a clean install? |
| 21:44.33 | Bremsstrahlung | Yeah. |
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| 21:44.49 | sydney_untangle | Bremsstrahlung: did you md5sum the ISO? |
| 21:45.06 | karlpinc | Bremsstrahlung: Using the unoffical cd with the non-free drivers? If it's a gui issue you might find that more useful. But really, if you're doing a base install may as well install in text mode. |
| 21:45.08 | sydney_untangle | when you downloaded it. |
| 21:45.11 | Bremsstrahlung | Hm, I think so? |
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| 21:45.22 | acz32 | karlpinc: so now i created an encryted volume and want to partition it to root and /home partitions. but there's no option for that. how do i do what you were talking about earlier? https://imgrush.com/q0JG_bnaBiJc.png |
| 21:45.31 | Bremsstrahlung | karlpinc: No, I the official netinst iso from debian.org. |
| 21:45.43 | Bremsstrahlung | And I did think I checked its hash. |
| 21:45.48 | Bremsstrahlung | To see it downloaded correctly. |
| 21:45.57 | karlpinc | Bremsstrahlung: There's ways to load non-free drivers. But as I said, the text install might be a better choice. |
| 21:46.06 | Bremsstrahlung | I see... |
| 21:46.08 | sydney_untangle | Bremsstrahlung: Well, i would pull the plug and give it a retry, |
| 21:46.10 | Bremsstrahlung | And how hard is that form? :D |
| 21:46.14 | sydney_untangle | SOmethign went wrong... |
| 21:46.17 | Bremsstrahlung | The text-based one. |
| 21:46.26 | sydney_untangle | Its about the same. |
| 21:46.35 | Bremsstrahlung | OK, wow. |
| 21:46.35 | Bremsstrahlung | Wait. |
| 21:46.36 | sydney_untangle | I actually like it more. :) |
| 21:46.39 | Bremsstrahlung | Lemme copy what just showed up. |
| 21:46.42 | karlpinc | acz32: I always poke the installer with a stick to get it to partition the way I want it to. (Note that you need at least /boot to be unencrypted, or else the boot loader won't be able to load your kernel.) |
| 21:47.00 | Bremsstrahlung | Kernel panic - not syncing VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block |
| 21:47.08 | Bremsstrahlung | wtf is this now. |
| 21:47.09 | sydney_untangle | Yep... |
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| 21:47.17 | sydney_untangle | Restart. |
| 21:47.32 | Bremsstrahlung | reaches over to power button. :-D |
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| 21:47.45 | karlpinc | acz32: Really, I find that part of the installer obtuse. Somehow it eventually works for me. |
| 21:47.49 | sydney_untangle | And in the boot menu of the cd find alternet install or text install. |
| 21:47.57 | sydney_untangle | * |
| 21:47.59 | Bremsstrahlung | Or just "install". |
| 21:48.01 | Bremsstrahlung | That's the text one. |
| 21:48.04 | sydney_untangle | or that to. |
| 21:48.15 | Bremsstrahlung | But is that easy? Because I'm not a bash expert. :-D |
| 21:48.27 | sydney_untangle | its almost as easy. ;) |
| 21:48.34 | sydney_untangle | You don't need to be. |
| 21:48.37 | Bremsstrahlung | OK. |
| 21:48.39 | Bremsstrahlung | BRB |
| 21:48.45 | karlpinc | acz32: I've given up in the past and switched to the installer console to to the work, but the single cryptfs partition should show up in the installer as a new disk. |
| 21:49.01 | sydney_untangle | just remember the space bar and the tab button and the arrow keys. :) |
| 21:49.01 | karlpinc | acz32: Are you in "expert" mode? I always do this in expert mode. |
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| 21:49.11 | sydney_untangle | Ok, im out of here... |
| 21:49.21 | sydney_untangle | I hope all goes well Bremsstrahlung. :) |
| 21:49.24 | Bremsstrahlung | sydney_untangle \o |
| 21:49.24 | Bremsstrahlung | ty |
| 21:49.26 | Bremsstrahlung | And see you. |
| 21:49.38 | karlpinc | Bremsstrahlung: All you really need to do is read the text at the bottom of the screen that tells you to do things like press the tab key to get to the next field. |
| 21:49.59 | Bremsstrahlung | Ohh, pft. So the graphical install is just using X to make it prettier. |
| 21:50.04 | karlpinc | Yes. |
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| 21:51.15 | karlpinc | (Some 10 years ago it was "OMG! We don't have a GUI INSTALLER! Help! My mouse does not work and I can't think!" So, now we have gui installers.) |
| 21:51.31 | Bremsstrahlung | Well, I was worried this would be like Arch Linux. |
| 21:51.38 | Bremsstrahlung | Which apparently dumps you at a terminal. |
| 21:51.42 | Bremsstrahlung | And expects you to know what to do. |
| 21:51.53 | karlpinc | Bremsstrahlung: You can go there, but are never expected to. |
| 21:51.58 | acz32 | karlpinc: no i'm just in normal graphical install mode |
| 21:52.17 | acz32 | ya my mouse does not work in it. lol |
| 21:52.37 | Bremsstrahlung | It doesn't? You don't see a cursor that you can move around? |
| 21:53.14 | acz32 | i do but it doesn't move. probably because it's a trackpad on the laptop and drivers aren't available on CD1 or something |
| 21:53.17 | acz32 | no big deal |
| 21:53.29 | Bremsstrahlung | Mine's just a USB optical mouse. |
| 21:53.32 | Bremsstrahlung | Worked out of the box. |
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| 21:53.37 | acz32 | ya those will work fine |
| 21:53.55 | naptastic | karlpinc, I used the graphical installer once, thinking it might give me something like gparted to make things easier. There's zero benefit, so I just use the (faster) text-based installer, and never have to take my hands off the keyboard. |
| 21:54.07 | Bremsstrahlung | naptastic, nice. |
| 21:54.08 | naptastic | would be happy if he never had to take his hands off the keyboard. |
| 21:54.11 | naptastic | Well, almost never. :P |
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| 21:55.17 | karlpinc | Bremsstrahlung: By the by, the installation manual will hold your hand every step of the way. |
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| 21:57.17 | karlpinc | (These days, debian needs video instruction for installation. Because it seems that people have forgotten how to read. Grumble, grumble. I am old. ;-) |
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| 21:59.04 | sydney_untangle | Bremsstrahlung: Hows it coming? |
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| 22:01.31 | acz32 | karlpinc: i read the debian manual while installing and it does not cover manually setting up encrypted volumes like i'm trying to do |
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| 22:02.00 | DrivenMadz | Ok so I got sshd running as regualr user.. but when i login with filezilla.. i can still go up the tree with .. and read the root drive |
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| 22:03.49 | acz32 | seems like if you encrypt one partition you can't split it into others anymore or partition it any further |
| 22:03.53 | karlpinc | acz32: Probably not. Anyway, I suggest using "expert" mode when installing. Works for me. |
| 22:03.57 | bzed | DrivenMadz: unless you use a chroot you can do whatever the user is allowed to do |
| 22:04.03 | sydney_untangle | DrivenMadz: But you cannot write to it? |
| 22:04.11 | sydney_untangle | Thats the way it works. |
| 22:04.19 | bzed | DrivenMadz: you don't need to run sshd as a user, sshd drops privileges properly |
| 22:04.19 | karlpinc | acz32: ("probably not" being regards the install manual.) |
| 22:04.23 | DrivenMadz | let me try writing to it |
| 22:04.24 | rudi_s | acz32: Normally you use LVM inside the encrypted volume. But you can partition any way you like it. |
| 22:04.39 | karlpinc | rudi_s: He's having trouble doing so in the installer. |
| 22:04.42 | rudi_s | (Not sure if the installer allows it, but you can use Alt-F2 and then partition it the way you want it.) |
| 22:04.43 | DrivenMadz | ahh no write access awesome :) |
| 22:04.43 | bzed | DrivenMadz: what you might be looking for is to use sftp and the internal-sftp daemon in sshd, running it in chrooted mode |
| 22:05.01 | DrivenMadz | how can i test if the user had exicute ? |
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| 22:05.29 | DrivenMadz | chrotted mode.. interesting |
| 22:05.42 | acz32 | rudi_s: the highlighted line is my encrypted partition. i don't see an option to set up LVM inside of it. https://imgrush.com/q0JG_bnaBiJc.png |
| 22:05.49 | DrivenMadz | waht does running in chrooted mode do? |
| 22:05.52 | acz32 | karlpinc: ok i will have a look at expert install even though i'm no expert |
| 22:06.00 | valdyn | DrivenMadz: google it |
| 22:06.10 | DrivenMadz | already am :) thx :) |
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| 22:06.22 | valdyn | DrivenMadz: this is probably more complex than makes sense to explain in irc |
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| 22:07.46 | karlpinc | acz32: You choose it to partition, somehow. |
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| 22:10.33 | DrivenMadz | ohh yes i see.. set the shell to /sbin/nologin.... priceless :) |
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| 22:11.44 | Miesco | Hi, whats a good video editor? |
| 22:12.55 | sydney_untangle | Miesco: Openshot, Kdenlive. |
| 22:13.14 | sydney_untangle | And a bunch more. |
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| 22:13.27 | sydney_untangle | Openshot is buggy, but my favorite. |
| 22:13.30 | acz32 | karlpinc: so i create a partition using all of the free space, and then encrypt it, then try to find out how to use LVM to partition it. correct? |
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| 22:15.05 | knosys | hello |
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| 22:15.30 | karlpinc | acz32: Yes. |
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| 22:15.46 | karlpinc | acz32: (Except you need an unencrypted /boot partition too.) |
| 22:15.56 | Walex2 | acz32: more or less. Since probably encrypt and partitions are done both with DM/LVM2 |
| 22:16.01 | acz32 | ya i have /boot unencrypted already |
| 22:17.18 | acz32 | i was able to flag the encryted partition as LVM. https://imgrush.com/LI8hihYwg909 |
| 22:17.32 | acz32 | in the expert installer |
| 22:18.11 | acz32 | but can't create / and /home out of that space |
| 22:18.28 | acz32 | does LVM do that for me if i proceed with installation? |
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| 22:18.47 | DrivenMadz | i dont think thats how to process of partitoninggoes... |
| 22:19.28 | DrivenMadz | dont your partion the drive then encrypt the partitons you want to put secure data on? |
| 22:19.47 | acz32 | man this is hard. i wish the installer had a "use largest free space and set up encrypted LVM" instead of just "use largest free space" so i wouldn't have to do this |
| 22:19.52 | DrivenMadz | ohh but your doing whole drive encrypt.. i see |
| 22:20.20 | acz32 | DrivenMadz: no not whole drive. i just want to encrypt this debian install, the hard drive has another OS which isn't encrypted that i want to preserve |
| 22:20.35 | DrivenMadz | gotcha :) |
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| 22:22.06 | acz32 | if i try to continue in the installer from the screeshot i posted, it says no root partition is defined, go back and create one |
| 22:22.26 | acz32 | but i can't figure out how to make one inside of the sda6_crypt partition |
| 22:23.24 | DrivenMadz | can you encrypt it after making it?? |
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| 22:23.51 | zege | acz32: you have to define the whole encrypted partion to mount as / |
| 22:24.00 | acz32 | yes, i tried that but a couple people suggested the correct way is to encrypt the free space, and then use LVM to partition it to / and /home |
| 22:24.34 | acz32 | zege: what if i want separate / and /home partitions instead of all in one? |
| 22:25.28 | DrivenMadz | acz32: very cool :) sorry for puhin buttons :) |
| 22:25.40 | DrivenMadz | out of my realm :) |
| 22:26.32 | zege | acz32: http://www.legendiary.at/2013/02/23/create-encrypted-lvm-for-debian-installation/ |
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| 22:27.11 | DrivenMadz | I am really loving that sftp will use all of my up pipe :) Im building a custom stmp server for remote connections from phones and :) such |
| 22:28.29 | DrivenMadz | so i can tie together my twitch.tv stream from OBS to my on the fly phone stream via OBS pitstop of course :) |
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| 22:29.24 | acz32 | zege: thanks a lot. i have been looking at debian documentation and it's vague on the subject of encrypted LVM |
| 22:29.29 | acz32 | i'll read this |
| 22:29.46 | DrivenMadz | Woot Friday the 13th.... GO get Rekt in a WiFi Broadcast RTMP !! |
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| 22:30.47 | acz32 | oh didn't notice it was friday the 13th :) |
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| 22:35.06 | hanlon2 | Hi. setting up a 1st deb8 server. getting to know stable/testing/experimental repos. how/where would I get gcc5 for jessie? i've not found packages for it. is it only a DIY build? |
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| 22:36.13 | centrx | hanlon2, correct |
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| 22:37.15 | centrx | hanlon2, Between the freeze for the upcoming release, and the fact that GCC 5 is not released upstream yet, it's not in Debian yet |
| 22:38.00 | hanlon2 | centrx: hi. ok, so there's no 'un'official repos for debian-land, like launchpad for Ubu, or the OBS repos for opensuse? |
| 22:38.29 | Miesco | When I type `locale` I get: LANG=\(standard\ input\):136:en_US |
| 22:38.36 | Miesco | Is that normal? |
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| 22:39.07 | hanlon2 | centrx: and what typically happens after an upstream release, e.g., for GCC5? wil it get added to jessie repos? or only for the next release (that'd be experimental?) |
| 22:39.13 | centrx | hanlon2, There are a lot of unofficial repos for Debian, you may be able to find a good gcc5 package in one of them |
| 22:39.45 | hanlon2 | centrx: ok, will hunt for some. don't quite know my way around yet. |
| 22:39.48 | centrx | hanlon2, There are no 'un'official repos in the same manner as Ubuntu because Debian packages are all in the main release, not like 'universe' or 'multiverse' where they are not 'officially' maintained |
| 22:40.29 | hanlon2 | centrx: I don't think I'd grokked that yet. Must muse ... |
| 22:40.34 | centrx | hanlon2, Debian stable releases are stable, which means stable API, etc., generally never upgrading major releases |
| 22:41.08 | centrx | hanlon2, GCC5 would become available in probably experimental, unstable, and testing, in that order |
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| 22:41.31 | centrx | hanlon2, experimental and sid/unstable are never released. experimental is not a complete suite, and sid/unstable is perpetually dev. |
| 22:41.58 | hanlon2 | my GOAL is a 'stable' jessie core, with a GCC5-built couple of packages/apps. whic is, effectively, what I do now on current distro. |
| 22:42.15 | hanlon2 | centrx: so one generally sticks with stable/testing-soon-to-be-stable |
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| 22:43.01 | centrx | hanlon2, Lots of people use Debian and do different things. I use testing on my personal machine. |
| 22:43.02 | acz32 | zege: thanks so much for the link. it worked :D |
| 22:43.31 | zege | acz32: you're welcome |
| 22:43.53 | juantelez | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.56 | Bremsstrahlung | OK, phew. |
| 22:43.59 | Bremsstrahlung | Redid the install. |
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| 22:44.07 | Bremsstrahlung | And this time it finally came through. |
| 22:44.08 | Bremsstrahlung | Yeesh. |
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| 22:44.26 | acz32 | Bremsstrahlung: we both got around out issues at the same time. nice :P |
| 22:44.27 | hanlon2 | centrx: yep. I've been doing the whats-my-server-distro dance, since I'm definitely leaving current env. bounced around arch & ubuntu, 1st. added centos and debian. settled on debian. but there are always compromises. |
| 22:44.33 | acz32 | our* |
| 22:44.33 | juantelez | But I can't build for a i386 architecture |
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| 22:44.40 | Bremsstrahlung | acz32: Yeah, it was odd. |
| 22:44.41 | Bremsstrahlung | :) |
| 22:45.01 | DrivenMadz | juan: why not? |
| 22:46.47 | juantelez | DrivenMadz: I don't know what I have to change. |
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| 22:47.31 | juantelez | In build/dest/netboot/debian-installer/ I don't have an i385 directory, insteed I have a amd64 |
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| 22:48.41 | centrx | juantelez, Are you sure you are using the i386 installer? |
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| 22:49.07 | dirthead | does anybody know where I can find the full list of all the preseed options for the debian-installer? |
| 22:49.10 | centrx | juantelez, Are you referring to this concept perhaps? - https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading |
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| 22:49.26 | juantelez | centrx: I guess not. I make apt-get source debian-installer. |
| 22:49.45 | zege2 | juantelez: are u on a amd64 system? |
| 22:49.45 | juantelez | And since I am on amd64 I guess that was the problem. Is that? |
| 22:49.51 | centrx | juantelez, You don't need to build the installer yourself to install Debian |
| 22:49.51 | juantelez | zege2: amd64 |
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| 22:50.40 | juantelez | centrx: thanks, I am following those stepts --> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote |
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| 22:51.58 | centrx | juantelez, Okay I would be cautious about that page as it looks like it was mostly written in 2005 and not particularly updated |
| 22:53.00 | juantelez | centrx: Thanks, I don't want to make a CrossGrading, I want to do exactly as the wiki of the Remote installation saids. |
| 22:53.31 | juantelez | centrx: But by following those steps I only achive to build for amd64 |
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| 22:53.46 | juantelez | centrx: And I don't know what I have to change. |
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| 22:57.18 | eKyNoX | Good evening, how to grep in log file while ./configure .. make ... please ? |
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| 22:58.47 | Walex2 | eKyNoX: with purple. |
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| 23:06.40 | intelikey | hello |
| 23:07.47 | intelikey | grub is erroring out with grub-setup: error: Invalid root device `/dev/hda' |
| 23:08.44 | intelikey | can anyone shed light on that ? |
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| 23:10.39 | intelikey | no ? |
| 23:10.41 | zege2 | intelikey: more output from grub-install? |
| 23:10.53 | intelikey | segfalt |
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| 23:11.35 | zege2 | intelikey: can u paste the whole output. a little more information would be great |
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| 23:12.31 | intelikey | debian:/# grub-install /dev/hda |
| 23:12.31 | intelikey | Invalid device `hda'. |
| 23:12.31 | intelikey | Try ``grub-setup --help'' for more information. |
| 23:13.24 | zege | intelikey: is there a device called /dev/hda on your system? |
| 23:13.31 | intelikey | yes |
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| 23:14.00 | themill | are you sure? |
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| 23:14.17 | intelikey | grub-setup -r /dev/hda /dev/hda |
| 23:14.17 | intelikey | grub-setup: error: Invalid root device `/dev/hda' |
| 23:14.23 | intelikey | yes i'm sure. |
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| 23:14.32 | themill | What kernel are you using? |
| 23:14.42 | intelikey | 2.6 |
| 23:14.59 | naptastic | 2.6? That's ancient! Surely you mean 2.6.something else. |
| 23:15.07 | intelikey | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 23:15.21 | themill | No supported release of debian works with that kernel... |
| 23:15.27 | naptastic | There ya go :) |
| 23:15.46 | intelikey | ok thanks for not supporting it. ;/ |
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| 23:15.54 | teraflops | xD |
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| 23:16.16 | themill | part of the problem is that any knowledge we have of etch or lenny is long since forgotten... |
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| 23:17.32 | hanlon2 | Not what he wanted to hear it seems ... |
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| 23:18.07 | themill | yeah |
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| 23:18.57 | zege | he was pissed off very fast |
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| 23:24.39 | acz32 | he's trying to get help in #linux |
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| 23:28.51 | acz32 | i finished my debian install but i guess i shouldn't have allowed it to install grub on the MBR because the other distro is no longer being detected by grub. any way to fix that? grub-update doesn't see it |
| 23:29.34 | hanlon2 | acz32: what's the "other distro"? |
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| 23:29.41 | acz32 | lubuntu |
| 23:29.44 | uniqdom | Hi. I have read that echoing some numbers (bus and device numbers) you can unbind and bind USB devices. I wonder how to get those numbers for a specific device. |
| 23:29.52 | uniqdom | Can those numbers be obtained with 'lsusb' or 'lsusb -t'? |
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| 23:30.12 | uniqdom | I want to make a bash script to unbind and bind two specific devices when they are malfunctioning. But don't know how to get those numbers. http://paste.debian.net/161189/ |
| 23:30.22 | acz32 | hanlon2: when i installed debian i made a /boot partition. is that why this happened? |
| 23:30.57 | hanlon2 | acz32: so debian has a separate /boot part, but the lubuntu does not? |
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| 23:32.14 | acz32 | hanlon2: i think lubuntu does. it has a 300 mb partition so i'm assuming that's boot. but it didn't say "boot" |
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| 23:33.22 | hanlon2 | acz32: You used the cmd line to setup grub? or the installer? |
| 23:33.52 | acz32 | hanlon2: no. i just went through the debian installer process and at the end i let it install grub on the MBR |
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| 23:34.13 | acz32 | so installer |
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| 23:35.44 | zege | acz32: are you sure the lubuntu partition still exists and hasn't be formated? |
| 23:35.56 | hanlon2 | acz32: Then I'm gonna shut up. I'm new to Debian and have no knowledge of what the installer does. That said, here are a couple of (imo) really helpful references for Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiOSBoot, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Multiple_OS_Installation which I would assume are mostly applicable to Debian? |
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| 23:36.26 | hanlon2 | From the cmd line, it's pretty standard across distros. |
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| 23:38.06 | acz32 | zege: during the install process i didn't touch the lubuntu partitions. i just partitioned the free space |
| 23:39.04 | zege | acz32: hmm. normally grub does detect *ubuntu systems correctly during install. |
| 23:39.16 | mtn | acz32: good idea to paste your fdisk -l to http://paste.debian.net and give us the link |
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| 23:40.12 | acz32 | i don't know if i can paste it because it's in a VM with no X environment. that brings up another question. is there anyway to scroll up from the tty terminal? i do fdisk -l but can't read it except for the end |
| 23:40.14 | acz32 | lol |
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| 23:41.50 | zege | acz32: fdisk -l > ~/fdisk.txt && less ~/fdisk.txt |
| 23:42.11 | polyphagia | fdisk -l | less |
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| 23:42.39 | zege | polyphagia: yours is way better |
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| 23:42.56 | mtn | acz32: just to be clear, you have a single virtual machine with multiple oses installed to it? |
| 23:43.46 | acz32 | mtn: yes. practice because i want to get it right before i do it for real. |
| 23:43.48 | polyphagia | :P |
| 23:43.56 | acz32 | i looked at fdisk. lubuntu is still there |
| 23:44.02 | mtn | acz32: ok. I have never tried it in a vm |
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| 23:44.34 | acz32 | ya trying to get dual boot working in a VM :P i picked lubuntu because it's small and not debian |
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| 23:45.14 | zege | acz32: so you'R |
| 23:45.23 | zege | e doing this just for practice? |
| 23:45.54 | acz32 | well, i'm doing it for real later. but this is practice right now, yes |
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| 23:47.33 | hanlon2 | acz32: if you'd like to keep your hair, start over, following one of those examples, or this http://www.garron.me/en/linux/dual-boot-two-linux-distributions-distros.html, or many others, step by step |
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| 23:48.53 | zege | acz32: i have never had issues with grub not detecting a second linux, so i guess something went wrong while setting up your partitions. |
| 23:49.20 | acz32 | i think the problem is i ended up with two boot partitions. |
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| 23:49.24 | acz32 | i'm guessing |
| 23:49.29 | acz32 | hanlon2: thanks |
| 23:49.38 | hanlon2 | pass the two distros' partitions into the VM as separate physical devices. E.g., in VB create separate .vdi's outside of VB, then attach them. Then work on THAT. |
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| 23:50.34 | hanlon2 | acz32: 2 boot partitions ... or 20 ... is just fine. You just need to setup grub properly, chainloading as you go. |
| 23:51.32 | acz32 | ok |
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| 23:52.34 | hanlon2 | Now that I think about it, not sure what a VB container considers the MBR ... I know it works, but I've never looked in detail. Assuming UEFI/GPT, otoh, there's a discreet partition that gets the bootloader info. |
| 23:53.22 | mtn | acz32: which vm are you using? |
| 23:53.25 | hanlon2 | I'm guessing there's a way to do this with debootstrap onto a USB stick with multiple partitions, without resorting to a VM. But debbootstrap-fu is still above my paygrade |
| 23:53.35 | polyphagia | hey sw0o0sh |
| 23:53.36 | acz32 | mtn: virtualbox |
| 23:53.50 | sw0o0sh | hey polyphagia |
| 23:53.55 | mtn | acz32: there is #vbox on this server. they might have a better idea |
| 23:53.56 | polyphagia | welcome to debian's support channel |
| 23:54.44 | hanlon2 | acz32: fwiw, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7UAVYMEY6w |
| 23:54.47 | sw0o0sh | thanks polyphagia , I most certainly will come to this channel with any support-related questions |
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| 23:55.08 | polyphagia | sounds appropriate sw0o0sh |
| 23:55.53 | sw0o0sh | PID=11 && sudo strace -f -e trace=write -e verbose=none -e write=1,2 -q -p $PID -o "| grep '^ |' | cut -c11-60 | sed -e 's/ //g' | xxd -r -p" |
| 23:55.55 | sw0o0sh | strace: attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): Operation not permitted |
| 23:56.02 | sw0o0sh | why cant I attach to watchdog with sudo? |
| 23:56.04 | acz32 | hanlon2: mtn: thanks |
| 23:56.15 | mtn | acz32: welcome |
| 23:56.25 | hanlon2 | +1 |
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| 23:58.07 | zege2 | sw0o0sh: maybe sudo can't read $PID? |
| 23:58.26 | sw0o0sh | # PID=11 && echo $PID |
| 23:58.28 | sw0o0sh | 11 |
| 23:58.30 | sw0o0sh | zege2 |
| 23:58.48 | zege2 | ok, than that semms to be ok ;) |
| 23:58.52 | polyphagia | what about $ PID=11 && sudo echo $PID |
| 23:59.05 | sw0o0sh | # PID=11 && sudo echo $PID |
| 23:59.07 | sw0o0sh | 11 |
| 23:59.15 | sw0o0sh | polyphagia: |
| 23:59.32 | polyphagia | terrible, |
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