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| 00:00.19 | xreal | centrx: hehe thx :) |
| 00:00.28 | rebauld | cheapie: move something so you now have more room and then link it back int |
| 00:01.06 | damjan | rebauld: he doesn't have where to |
| 00:01.15 | damjan | he just has a 32gb swap partition |
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| 00:01.18 | cheapie | rebauld: First of all, it's ponky with the problem, not me. Besides, resize2fs is easier. |
| 00:02.14 | nea1 | Dagger: i can't change the link-local addr |
| 00:02.15 | rebauld | cheapie: how do you resize when the whole disk is used? |
| 00:02.33 | nea1 | i can add an other one, but the old one says and that is the one radvd anounces |
| 00:02.42 | nea1 | and i can't change that in any way |
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| 00:03.30 | damjan | rebauld: it's a swap partition, he can just remove it |
| 00:03.39 | cheapie | Huh, KDE's menu thing froze and crashed on me. I guess that's what I get for running sid. |
| 00:03.53 | faux___ | i am trying to run a debian 5.0 image on qemu. the VM cannot boot. i have pasted an image of the error text here. http://picpaste.com/error-tJG6uLCe.png Any help is appreciated, thanks. |
| 00:04.22 | abrotman | faux___: why? |
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| 00:04.46 | faux___ | abrotman: i want to run the VM on my school's machines. qemu is the only virtualization software those machines have |
| 00:04.47 | xreal | Hmm, what's the correct mailinglist for discussing a possible bug? |
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| 00:04.59 | abrotman | faux___: why Debian 5.x? |
| 00:05.11 | faux___ | abrotman: it's an image supplied by the professor. not my choice |
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| 00:05.31 | rebauld | damjan you do know where a swap partition is located ... right? |
| 00:05.43 | abrotman | faux___: Did you do the install yourself? |
| 00:05.55 | faux___ | abrotman: install of qemu? |
| 00:06.04 | abrotman | Debian |
| 00:06.06 | faux___ | abrotman: oh no |
| 00:06.16 | faux___ | abrotman: this is just a qcow2 file i was given |
| 00:06.30 | faux___ | abrotman: qcow2 is a format for qemu |
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| 00:06.39 | abrotman | faux___: can you boot a rescue CD and look at the partitions? |
| 00:06.40 | damjan | faux___: ls /dev/?da* |
| 00:06.58 | abrotman | damjan: he doesn't hav a working system .. did you look a the screenshot ? |
| 00:07.06 | faux___ | yes i do |
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| 00:07.24 | faux___ | damjan: i get `/dev/hda /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 /dev/hda5 |
| 00:07.25 | damjan | abrotman: the initramfs maybe has ls, though I don't know about debian 5.0 |
| 00:07.40 | damjan | faux___: ok, just change the root on the grub menu |
| 00:07.54 | damjan | it looks for /dev/sda1 you need /dev/hda1 |
| 00:08.08 | faux___ | damjan: you might have to walk me through baby steps |
| 00:08.29 | faux___ | damjan: how do i get to grub menu? |
| 00:08.47 | damjan | faux___: it should be the first thing that appears when you boot the image |
| 00:09.03 | damjan | go to google, images, type "edit grub menu" :) |
| 00:09.24 | damjan | something like this http://www.cyberciti.biz/faqs/uploaded_images/grub-single-user-mode-select-kernel-763178.png |
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| 00:10.04 | faux___ | damjan: thank you. so i need to change root? |
| 00:10.11 | faux___ | damjan: what do i change it to? |
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| 00:11.20 | damjan | /dev/hda1 |
| 00:11.37 | faux___ | damjan: oh i was looking at root (hd0,0) |
| 00:11.40 | faux___ | damjan: i understand |
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| 00:17.45 | rebauld | damjan: there hasn't been hda on debian for years |
| 00:18.22 | faux___ | damjan: it worked! thank you. i have one more question. is there a way to save the change to root? it goes back to sda1 whenever i restart qemu |
| 00:18.26 | damjan | rebauld: ^ |
| 00:18.35 | faux___ | haha |
| 00:18.54 | rebauld | faux___: it is sda1 don't use hda |
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| 00:19.07 | damjan | faux___: sure it's in /boot/grub/ |
| 00:19.32 | damjan | faux___: update-grub maybe will fix it, I'm not sure on debian 5 how it all worked |
| 00:19.41 | damjan | faux___: also check /etc/fstab |
| 00:19.42 | faux___ | rebauld: when it's sda1 i get this http://picpaste.com/pics/error-tJG6uLCe.1422490765.png |
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| 00:20.07 | damjan | rebauld: please stop confusing people. you didn't pay attention to what was said |
| 00:20.31 | damjan | faux___: confirmed that the kernel detected the disk as hda |
| 00:20.37 | rebauld | damjan: you don't know what you are talking about the grub hd is not /dev/hda |
| 00:20.40 | damjan | and... it's a Debian 5 |
| 00:20.49 | damjan | rebauld: ok. bye |
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| 00:21.10 | rebauld | faux___: you should not be using debian 5 at all |
| 00:21.19 | faux___ | rebauld: school project |
| 00:21.51 | rebauld | they gave you debian 5 in a class? |
| 00:22.39 | faux___ | rebauld: i'm sure there's a reason. now that the VM is running, maybe i can found out haha |
| 00:23.18 | rebauld | faux___: is it a virus malware class? cool |
| 00:23.28 | faux___ | rebauld: haha yes it is |
| 00:23.50 | rebauld | you are lucky - it would be real fun |
| 00:24.14 | rebauld | apologizes to damjan |
| 00:24.27 | faux___ | haha thank you. i am looking forward to the rest of the class |
| 00:24.44 | damjan | rebauld: ok. truce |
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| 00:25.11 | rebauld | faux___: come back and share your fun too!! |
| 00:25.37 | faux___ | of course! |
| 00:25.49 | xreal | Hmm, what's the correct mailinglist for discussing a possible bug? |
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| 00:27.50 | abrotman | xreal: you file a bug in the BTS |
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| 00:28.52 | xreal | abrotman: it's rather complicated... |
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| 00:32.47 | xreal | Can I tell dpkg, aptitude or apt-get *not* to read a default config-file, if it exists already? |
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| 00:36.07 | Olgar | What am I doing wrong with syslog-ng? https://dpaste.de/YcfY . The only line that I can recieve in the server is this when I try to reboot syslog-ng: (eend 0 Failed to stop syslog-ng ) by /sbin/openrc[runscript.sh:3858] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0, parent /lib64/rc/sh/runscript.sh[runscript.sh:3841] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0 |
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| 00:41.51 | Brigo | Olgar, ruby? |
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| 00:47.16 | phix | G'day |
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| 00:56.43 | baum | by chance anyone knows a good step-by-step tutorial to setup a (more or less secure) horde mail server? i only found outdated stuff so far |
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| 01:00.37 | rebauld | why not use the better posfix? |
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| 01:01.16 | baum | rebauld, what better posfix? |
| 01:01.59 | rebauld | postfix |
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| 01:02.21 | rebauld | lots more support and developement/updating |
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| 01:03.18 | baum | uhm well - horde would offer caldav and cardav support - means i could sync my phone over it too |
| 01:04.38 | rebauld | sorry educate me - what do you need to sync your phone with it for? don't you just get your email from it? |
| 01:04.47 | rebauld | use imap |
| 01:04.57 | rebauld | imaps |
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| 01:06.12 | damjan | baum: I personally use owncloud for carddav/caldav. YMMV |
| 01:06.36 | baum | rebauld, sure, mails are synced over imap, but syncing carddav/caldav over it would be neat |
| 01:08.05 | baum | damjan, yes i considered this, but since horde seems to support it i guess i'd ditch owncloud and use seafile for files |
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| 01:08.28 | rebauld | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CardDAV |
| 01:08.49 | rebauld | ^^ information for the carddav - interestign |
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| 01:09.41 | rebauld | looks like a good way to get spam :) |
| 01:10.00 | baum | rebauld, why that? |
| 01:10.42 | rebauld | it will bet hacked and then all the contacts will be available? :) |
| 01:11.00 | xreal | Yippy, my first bug report. @abrotman @centrx https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=776526 |
| 01:11.43 | baum | meh, i doubt anyone wants to hack my private mailserver |
| 01:12.33 | rebauld | well i for one want to know emily's email address ;) |
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| 01:14.05 | baum | hehe well, it's still better than syncing the mails/contacts via M$ or google |
| 01:14.30 | pingfloyd | you doubt wrong |
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| 01:14.43 | rebauld | that is true .. can the horde do encrypted connections? |
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| 01:15.08 | baum | yes, TLS is supported |
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| 01:15.17 | pingfloyd | spammers want as many mail servers working for them as possible. If it is an internet facing mail server, it is a target. |
| 01:15.19 | rebauld | and i agree with pingfloyd |
| 01:15.51 | pingfloyd | if you make any assumptions when it comes to security always error on the side caution. |
| 01:16.16 | pfred1 | I get like no spam in my personal email account |
| 01:17.15 | pingfloyd | pfred1: most of it is probably already filtered before it even delivers to you |
| 01:17.19 | baum | well, security-wise i want to do as much as i can, that's why infact i came asking here |
| 01:18.12 | pfred1 | pingfloyd I hope not! |
| 01:18.25 | pingfloyd | pfred1: it really depends on your setup |
| 01:20.44 | baum | well anyways - back to the init question: by chance anyone could link me to a good up-to-date tutorial on setting up a secure mailserver? |
| 01:21.09 | pingfloyd | which mta? |
| 01:22.01 | baum | pingfloyd, open for everything - what would you recommend? |
| 01:22.02 | pfred1 | what is the default mail server in Debian today? |
| 01:22.14 | pingfloyd | exim4 last I checked |
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| 01:22.38 | pingfloyd | https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/DefaultMTA#Default_MTA |
| 01:22.39 | baum | the whole thing just has to be newbie friendly :D |
| 01:22.49 | pfred1 | I guess i run one for local messaging I never bother with it though |
| 01:23.17 | pingfloyd | I think remove MTA by default would be the ideal |
| 01:23.29 | pfred1 | I remember back in the day looking at local system emails so annoying |
| 01:23.30 | pingfloyd | just make sure they're quality packages |
| 01:23.38 | pingfloyd | which they usually are already |
| 01:23.56 | pfred1 | pine makes my eyes bleed |
| 01:23.58 | pingfloyd | like what's the point of MTA on say laptop in most cases? |
| 01:24.14 | pingfloyd | or a user workstation. (desktop computing). |
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| 01:24.45 | pingfloyd | not having it, deceases the superfluous attack surface right off the bat |
| 01:24.56 | pingfloyd | and if you want an MTA, you should at least know how to install the package of one. |
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| 01:25.49 | Hunterkll | pingfloyd, system mail, daemon notifications, etc |
| 01:26.00 | Hunterkll | hitting system mailer is easy |
| 01:26.07 | pingfloyd | that's a good counter argument |
| 01:26.08 | baum | well the reason i'm asking for a good tutorial is that i don't want to mess up security-wise (i already managed to do that once) |
| 01:26.15 | pingfloyd | especially when trying to adhere to unix tenet |
| 01:26.25 | Hunterkll | pingfloyd, and by default it's not listening to external interfaces anyway |
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| 01:26.49 | rebauld | most setups use email servers inside nat anyway |
| 01:27.16 | pfred1 | hmmm it looks like i have procmail installed I wonder what it is doing? |
| 01:27.38 | pingfloyd | pfred1: at least check where its listening |
| 01:27.51 | pingfloyd | make sure that is what you want |
| 01:27.57 | pfred1 | I think i am going to root around and see if it has any mailboxes setup |
| 01:28.03 | rebauld | lol is it running without you knowing? no wonder you get no spam |
| 01:28.18 | pfred1 | rebauld I do not use my local MTA for my email |
| 01:28.32 | Hunterkll | pfred1, run a commandline mail client as root |
| 01:28.34 | pfred1 | rebauld that is what i have an ISP for |
| 01:28.41 | Hunterkll | you might have a mailbox folder that system daemons are sending mail to |
| 01:28.51 | rebauld | the isp loves reading your email !! |
| 01:28.51 | Hunterkll | in almost all linux distros, a mailer is running |
| 01:28.54 | pingfloyd | pfred1: it may be more that you don't realize you use one from the sounds of it |
| 01:28.55 | pfred1 | Hunterkll yeah I've done all of this already |
| 01:28.56 | Hunterkll | just for system daemon mails |
| 01:29.04 | Hunterkll | to user accounts |
| 01:29.09 | pingfloyd | the mta just handles transport |
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| 01:29.13 | Hunterkll | rebauld, you are running an MTA too ony our local machine |
| 01:29.13 | Hunterkll | :D |
| 01:29.15 | pingfloyd | what most associate the most with a mail server |
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| 01:29.23 | Hunterkll | if you're running any semi-major linux distroa ynway |
| 01:29.28 | pfred1 | pingfloyd not for me it doesn't my email client hooks right up to my ISP |
| 01:29.37 | Hunterkll | ................ |
| 01:29.39 | rebauld | i know where else would my crond and atd send me mail |
| 01:29.41 | Hunterkll | pfred1, yes, yes it does |
| 01:29.48 | pfred1 | all procmail does is transfer system messages |
| 01:29.55 | Hunterkll | pfred1, in email format, yes |
| 01:30.03 | pfred1 | Hunterkll no, no it doesn't |
| 01:30.04 | Hunterkll | "transfer system messages" in "eamil format" over "sockets" |
| 01:30.04 | rebauld | i like postfix and it's local sendmail |
| 01:30.08 | Hunterkll | SOUNDS LIKE A GODDAMN MAIL SERVER TO ME |
| 01:30.30 | Hunterkll | WHAT'S THAT? |
| 01:30.34 | pfred1 | Hunterkll it could but I do not have it configured that way |
| 01:30.38 | Hunterkll | 3 config lines and suddenly it's accepting outside connections too? |
| 01:30.42 | pingfloyd | pfred1: the client or mua is a whole different can of worms in email |
| 01:30.43 | Hunterkll | pfred1, what distro are you using? |
| 01:30.53 | Hunterkll | because i guarantee you, your system daemons are working that way |
| 01:31.01 | Hunterkll | your main mail client may not be attached to your local mailbox folder |
| 01:31.01 | pfred1 | Hunterkll I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count |
| 01:31.09 | Hunterkll | ........... |
| 01:31.10 | Hunterkll | okay |
| 01:31.14 | pingfloyd | there's an easy way to confirm netstat -tunpl |
| 01:31.14 | Hunterkll | forgot where i was |
| 01:31.21 | pingfloyd | and with ps |
| 01:31.22 | Hunterkll | pfred1, so yes, you're running a mail server/MTA on your machine |
| 01:31.26 | Hunterkll | configured to handle mail traffic |
| 01:31.31 | Hunterkll | but not to listen/interact with external interfaces, internal only |
| 01:31.37 | pfred1 | Hunterkll not from the Internet |
| 01:31.39 | Hunterkll | so yes, that's exactly how your MTA is configured |
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| 01:31.51 | Hunterkll | <Hunterkll> "transfer system messages" in "eamil format" over "sockets" |
| 01:31.53 | Hunterkll | it's an MTA |
| 01:31.56 | Hunterkll | you can't change what it is |
| 01:31.57 | pingfloyd | pfred1: that's the default |
| 01:31.58 | pfred1 | yeah Linux likes to email root with crap a lot |
| 01:32.02 | Hunterkll | and i've repeatedly said it comes by default |
| 01:32.03 | pingfloyd | pfred1: exim listening locally |
| 01:32.06 | Hunterkll | not listening externally |
| 01:32.13 | Hunterkll | it's still a goddamn mailserver / MTA |
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| 01:32.28 | pfred1 | Hunterkll absolutely |
| 01:32.46 | Hunterkll | <pfred1> all procmail does is transfer system messages |
| 01:32.46 | pfred1 | now you're getting it! |
| 01:32.50 | Hunterkll | <pfred1> Hunterkll no, no it doesn't |
| 01:32.50 | Hunterkll | <Hunterkll> "transfer system messages" in "eamil format" over "sockets" |
| 01:32.50 | Hunterkll | <rebauld> i like postfix and it's local sendmail |
| 01:32.50 | Hunterkll | <Hunterkll> SOUNDS LIKE A GODDAMN MAIL SERVER TO ME |
| 01:32.50 | Hunterkll | <Hunterkll> WHAT'S THAT? |
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| 01:33.00 | Hunterkll | you kept saying it wasn't |
| 01:33.02 | Hunterkll | repeatedly |
| 01:33.03 | pfred1 | Hunterkll that is all it is doing on my system |
| 01:33.05 | Hunterkll | when all we were saying is that, yes, you're running a local mailserver |
| 01:33.19 | Hunterkll | okay, point? it's still a socket listening mailserver |
| 01:33.45 | Hunterkll | <Hunterkll> pfred1, in email format, yes |
| 01:33.46 | Hunterkll | <pfred1> Hunterkll no, no it doesn't |
| 01:33.51 | Hunterkll | things like taht |
| 01:33.59 | pingfloyd | now that we've wasted time with getting beyond that... |
| 01:34.09 | pfred1 | Hunterkll if i don't configure it all it does is send local messages |
| 01:34.18 | Hunterkll | ........ we never disputed that |
| 01:34.26 | Hunterkll | that doesn't mean it's not a mail server |
| 01:34.29 | Hunterkll | and isn't in standard email format |
| 01:34.32 | Hunterkll | because it is, to both counts |
| 01:34.38 | pingfloyd | loves when people seeking help want to waste time arguing about irrelevant things. |
| 01:34.39 | pfred1 | heck the port is firewalled so it couldn't send externally even if I wanted to |
| 01:34.45 | Hunterkll | okay, your point? |
| 01:34.48 | Hunterkll | it's still a mail server |
| 01:34.51 | Hunterkll | still using standard email formats |
| 01:34.51 | pfred1 | sure |
| 01:34.59 | Hunterkll | then why did you repeatedly refute that above? |
| 01:35.05 | pfred1 | I didn't |
| 01:35.06 | pingfloyd | yeah, what is your point pfred1? |
| 01:35.22 | pingfloyd | what was the whole point in this tangent? |
| 01:35.28 | pfred1 | pingfloyd my point is I am not going to be getting spam on my local MTA |
| 01:35.31 | cafuego | Hunterkll: You should maybe submit a patch so the manpage will agree with you. |
| 01:35.35 | Hunterkll | <Hunterkll> <Hunterkll> pfred1, in email format, yes |
| 01:35.35 | Hunterkll | <Hunterkll> <pfred1> Hunterkll no, no it doesn't |
| 01:35.55 | Hunterkll | cafuego, okay, maybe not /all/ daemons, but a few i've worked on submit properly formatted email, headers and all |
| 01:36.03 | pfred1 | pingfloyd whether i check it, or not |
| 01:36.05 | Hunterkll | so that they can be easily configured to send externally for alerts/logs |
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| 01:36.13 | Hunterkll | outside of standard syslog |
| 01:36.16 | pingfloyd | pfred1: if that's the case, then that is controlled by client and/or upstream mail gateway |
| 01:36.42 | pfred1 | pingfloyd I use my ISP's email server |
| 01:36.54 | pingfloyd | the question is what really is what gateway your client is connecting to |
| 01:37.04 | Hunterkll | pfred1, you keep saying this like it's relevant |
| 01:37.08 | Hunterkll | please, point this out |
| 01:37.13 | pfred1 | we have an incoming, and an outgoing server |
| 01:37.15 | pingfloyd | then that means you ISPs sucks at filtering spam, so you must master your email client's spam capabilities. |
| 01:37.28 | Hunterkll | pfred1, again, how is this relevant? |
| 01:37.38 | Hunterkll | are you getting spam in your email? |
| 01:37.39 | pingfloyd | or setup your own spam gateway for all your local network's mail. |
| 01:37.41 | Hunterkll | that means you need to spamfilter locally |
| 01:37.45 | pfred1 | Hunterkll apparently that is for me to know, and for you to figure out |
| 01:38.00 | Hunterkll | pfred1, is that how you treat everyone who wants to know what your problem is? |
| 01:38.05 | pfred1 | Hunterkll not if i am not getting spam now |
| 01:38.21 | pfred1 | Hunterkll I don't have a problem other than you |
| 01:38.38 | Hunterkll | lol |
| 01:38.42 | pfred1 | Hunterkll you I am dealing with now too |
| 01:38.55 | Hunterkll | I came into the middle of the disscussion thinking you had a problem and, well, were seemingly spouting incorrect assumptions |
| 01:39.07 | Hunterkll | hard to get to the initail problem without veering back on track or correcting track |
| 01:39.27 | Hunterkll | since there is no problem, then, i'll just purposefully snuggle with you until you get so exasperated |
| 01:39.32 | Hunterkll | snuggles pfred1 |
| 01:39.50 | pfred1 | Hunterkll I've been running Linux for over 20 years now so this isn't my first rodeo |
| 01:40.07 | Hunterkll | pfred1, it was your phrasing that threw me for a loop *shrug* |
| 01:40.22 | Hunterkll | every other line seemed contradictory |
| 01:40.26 | abrotman | pfred1: use /ignore |
| 01:40.34 | Hunterkll | lol |
| 01:40.36 | abrotman | Hunterkll: you too |
| 01:40.49 | Hunterkll | abrotman, but someone was wrong on the internet!!!!!...... |
| 01:40.56 | rebauld | pfred1: 20 years? why did you get into linux so late? |
| 01:40.57 | abrotman | Hunterkll: please knock it off |
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| 01:41.22 | pfred1 | rebauld I did not have a computer what could run it before then what's your excuse? |
| 01:41.24 | Hunterkll | jesus, can't take a lick of humor at the end of something that was resolved amicably over phrasing issues? |
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| 01:42.35 | Hunterkll | pfred1, What did you start out on? SLS? Slack? |
| 01:42.39 | pfred1 | actually it took me about a year of having an IBM compatible before i started running Linux |
| 01:42.42 | pfred1 | slack |
| 01:42.44 | Hunterkll | ah |
| 01:42.51 | pfred1 | 3,0 |
| 01:42.58 | Hunterkll | I have two PS/2 Model 70s i'm using for BBS stuff here |
| 01:43.02 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:43.02 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 01:43.17 | Hunterkll | the blue lightning (486 version) of the model 70 is attempting to run some older debian |
| 01:43.22 | pfred1 | I ran debian back then too but it really blew goatse |
| 01:43.26 | Hunterkll | i'm stuck between the glibc or not to glibc debate |
| 01:43.29 | Hunterkll | due to ram |
| 01:43.54 | Hunterkll | though, i need to find out which version the swtich actually happened in |
| 01:43.56 | pfred1 | I think I ran Hamm? or was it Rexx? |
| 01:44.13 | Hunterkll | REXX, to my knowledge, is an IBM programming / scripting language i've used on various IBM OSes :) |
| 01:44.23 | pfred1 | Rex? |
| 01:44.36 | Hunterkll | no, REXX |
| 01:44.37 | Hunterkll | two X's |
| 01:44.40 | pingfloyd | if you're poor, get a used computer, or have your friends give you their hand me downs to salvage together something half-way decent. |
| 01:44.49 | pfred1 | yeah Debian's version was a Toy story character |
| 01:44.54 | Hunterkll | ah. |
| 01:45.03 | abrotman | And named after T-Rex .. so Rex |
| 01:45.07 | Hunterkll | pingfloyd, it's not a money thing. I literally had a landline installed just for BBS tinkering |
| 01:45.08 | pingfloyd | if you become the computer collector guy in your friends' eyes, you start coming across all sorts of hardware for free |
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| 01:45.22 | pfred1 | I know this it was a long time ago now |
| 01:45.40 | Hunterkll | pfred1, I had to take a soldering iron to some SIMMs to get my PS/2 to accept then |
| 01:45.41 | Hunterkll | them |
| 01:45.43 | Hunterkll | MPD lines were wrong |
| 01:45.45 | pingfloyd | anytime someone want to get rid of some stuff, they'll call you, what's complete junk cash in on the gold left |
| 01:45.48 | Hunterkll | of course, so was the ram.... |
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| 01:45.57 | Hunterkll | pingfloyd, i abhor scrappers |
| 01:46.08 | pfred1 | Hunterkll I hacked a surplus keyboard onto my Sinclair |
| 01:46.08 | pingfloyd | Hunterkll: why? |
| 01:46.15 | pingfloyd | Hunterkll: it's a good option if you're broke |
| 01:46.25 | Hunterkll | pingfloyd, i'll pay more than a scrapper will for almost ANYTHING |
| 01:46.26 | pfred1 | Hunterkll I scrapped a PDP 11/34 |
| 01:46.26 | pingfloyd | if you're not, buy a new computer and quit being cheap |
| 01:46.29 | Hunterkll | and still be able to flip it for a profit |
| 01:46.35 | abrotman | Please move this to #debian-offtopic |
| 01:46.38 | Hunterkll | pfred1, I woulld be SUPER angry if i dind't have an 11/45+ |
| 01:46.38 | pfred1 | man it had some great parts in it! |
| 01:47.02 | Hunterkll | pingfloyd, i'm typing this on my i7 laptop w/32GB ram and a 3gig vram GTX 765 :P |
| 01:47.08 | abrotman | ahem .. last chance |
| 01:47.25 | Hunterkll | abrotman, well, I was about to get back to the debian glibc/nonglibc part, but eh |
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| 01:48.32 | Hunterkll | I suppose no one here even remembers that time, so .... :) |
| 01:48.41 | pfred1 | I remember libc5 |
| 01:48.42 | sonno | Does anyone know what to do with the error message "could not isert i7300_idle" during boot? |
| 01:49.01 | sonno | On a box that has never booted before. I'm loading from a USB. |
| 01:49.14 | Hunterkll | sonno, is that the last message before a kernel panic or ..? |
| 01:49.15 | sonno | A box that I've never seen boot before. |
| 01:50.00 | pfred1 | sonno did you check the image for errors? |
| 01:50.35 | Hunterkll | sonno, is this a Xeon box ? |
| 01:50.40 | pfred1 | hmm that message looks like a missing module |
| 01:50.44 | sonno | I don't know and I did not. I'll run a checksum really quick. |
| 01:50.50 | sonno | Hunterkll: yes |
| 01:50.57 | Hunterkll | okay, so it is a 7300 chipset then, i suppose |
| 01:51.00 | Hunterkll | or at least a 7300 series cpu |
| 01:51.08 | sonno | Correct |
| 01:51.28 | Hunterkll | does this fail the boot? |
| 01:51.35 | pfred1 | your boot image might be missing a driver you need |
| 01:51.47 | sonno | It leaves me at a shell. |
| 01:51.51 | sonno | I've got access to the USB. |
| 01:52.01 | Hunterkll | so not a kernel/module issue |
| 01:52.03 | sonno | And my other drives are visible with fdisk. |
| 01:52.05 | Hunterkll | sonno, that one isn't a boot breaker |
| 01:52.13 | Hunterkll | i'm looking at the source of that module right now |
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| 01:52.21 | Hunterkll | if you can get to a shell, that's not affecting you at all |
| 01:52.30 | pfred1 | it could be busybox |
| 01:52.32 | Hunterkll | do you get any messages like vfs_root unable to mount |
| 01:52.33 | Hunterkll | ? |
| 01:52.52 | sonno | Not vfs_root, but it does attempt multiple sda, sr0 mounts that fail |
| 01:53.02 | pfred1 | I consider getting dropped into busybox as a failed boot personally |
| 01:53.02 | Hunterkll | sr0 would be attempting to mount CDROM |
| 01:53.02 | sonno | Retries every five seconds |
| 01:53.13 | sonno | So unrelated? |
| 01:53.13 | Hunterkll | pfred1, well, it's not failed based on that module, anyway |
| 01:53.21 | Hunterkll | sonno, that's my assesment |
| 01:53.26 | sonno | I don't know why it would try to mount the cdrom anyway. |
| 01:53.27 | sonno | It's empty. |
| 01:53.41 | Hunterkll | looking for its boot media |
| 01:53.45 | sonno | It's a usb boot image... |
| 01:53.45 | Hunterkll | if you're booting a live distro of some kind |
| 01:53.46 | rebauld | did you do any install from the cdrom? |
| 01:53.57 | Hunterkll | sonno, it may be just looking for everything possible |
| 01:53.58 | Hunterkll | heh |
| 01:54.00 | pfred1 | I had that problem with mint once |
| 01:54.20 | nebbia | hi everyone, i have a question which parameters should i look when choosing filesystem for my partitions ? for example ReiserFS, JFS, and XFS, ext4 ?? Main differences ? |
| 01:54.25 | Hunterkll | sonno, try another image, i suppose |
| 01:54.27 | sonno | Well I'm reimaging the USB now because I was dumb and deleted the boot table. |
| 01:54.29 | pfred1 | it would boot off a flash drive but it couldn't handle the system being on the flash drive |
| 01:54.33 | Hunterkll | it may even not like your USB controller |
| 01:54.38 | rebauld | just go with ext4 |
| 01:54.50 | Hunterkll | ^-- |
| 01:54.59 | sonno | pfred1: I'm attempting to install from flash. |
| 01:55.02 | Hunterkll | I use XFS myself, but for 'mainstream' users you'll see Ext4 in the majority |
| 01:55.03 | pfred1 | assoon as I burnt a CD and booted that it was just fine though |
| 01:55.16 | Hunterkll | sonno, it may be getting confused as to where the usb drive is |
| 01:55.19 | Hunterkll | and not finding it |
| 01:55.19 | sonno | Maybe I should just burn the iso to image then. |
| 01:55.25 | sonno | to cd |
| 01:55.26 | Hunterkll | then trying to mount everything it can to find the boot media |
| 01:55.27 | sonno | derp |
| 01:55.29 | Hunterkll | and not seeing the USB at all |
| 01:55.31 | sonno | thinking too many things at once |
| 01:55.37 | Hunterkll | yea just run off CD |
| 01:55.42 | pfred1 | sonno I wasn't satisfied with the fix myself but it did work |
| 01:55.42 | sonno | That sounds reasonable. I'm going to burn it and see what happens. |
| 01:55.46 | Hunterkll | most of my machines don't support USB boot |
| 01:55.48 | nebbia | which are the motivations for using XFS instead of ext4 ? differences ? |
| 01:55.59 | sonno | pfred1: As much as I'm messing with that's new, I've got plenty to learn once I get it working lol |
| 01:56.04 | Hunterkll | nebbia, multiterabyte data sets with specific workflow characteristics |
| 01:56.09 | Hunterkll | i'm pretty sure you don't have 2.5TB in your laptop |
| 01:56.10 | Hunterkll | heh |
| 01:56.14 | pfred1 | Hunterkll nah it isn't about supporting flash boot |
| 01:56.24 | Hunterkll | pfred1, no no, i mean, the detected root was wrong |
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| 01:56.36 | Hunterkll | could be passing say |
| 01:56.42 | Hunterkll | root=/dev/sdb1 |
| 01:56.46 | Hunterkll | from boot loader somehow |
| 01:56.51 | pfred1 | I betthere is a boot command you can give it to make it work right |
| 01:56.53 | Hunterkll | and it actually is like, sdz4 |
| 01:56.55 | Hunterkll | or something |
| 01:57.12 | sonno | That seems very likely... |
| 01:57.25 | sonno | Because from the shell it offers I ls /dev and god damn. |
| 01:57.41 | rebauld | https://jeremytinley.wordpress.com/2014/10/08/more-ext4-vs-xfs-io-testing/ |
| 01:57.44 | Hunterkll | nebbia, the reasons to chose different filesystems differ almost nothing for end-user / desktop scenarios |
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| 01:58.09 | Hunterkll | nebbia, for you, i'd just chose ext4 to get the best community support (most widely used) |
| 01:58.47 | pfred1 | sonno it is a junk fix but if you can waste a CD you can try to boot that instead of the flash blank CDs are kind of worthless today anyways |
| 01:58.56 | Hunterkll | rebauld, i'm just too lazy to work on some refutation to this ... |
| 01:59.02 | sonno | I agree. |
| 01:59.07 | Hunterkll | but Red Hat didn't make the change lightly |
| 01:59.18 | Hunterkll | also, xfs_dump <3 |
| 01:59.32 | rebauld | red hat pushed selinux - no reason to even care what red hat does |
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| 01:59.41 | Hunterkll | I ... use selinux |
| 01:59.43 | Hunterkll | and grsec |
| 01:59.45 | Hunterkll | :/ |
| 01:59.52 | Hunterkll | much to the chargin of my developers... |
| 02:00.03 | rebauld | the nsa doesn't even use selinux - |
| 02:00.13 | Hunterkll | *shrug* every bit helps |
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| 02:02.54 | Hunterkll | rebauld, since we're going by what the NSA does, should we be running windows on 90% of our hardware too? |
| 02:02.56 | Hunterkll | ;) |
| 02:03.38 | rebauld | and where on earth did you get that misinformation - you think windows runs the clusters? |
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| 02:06.36 | abrotman | Ahem, please take the OT to #debian-offtopic, I won't ask again |
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| 02:09.52 | sonno | wow. |
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| 02:10.18 | sonno | Hunterkll: Burned to disc and i still get the i7300_idle message but the image was statically looking for sr0 |
| 02:10.25 | sonno | happy days |
| 02:10.58 | abrotman | sonno: is it preventing your install? |
| 02:11.09 | sonno | Not anymore, it seems. |
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| 02:11.37 | sonno | I'll know for certain in a few minutes, but I'm just glad that it got past looking for the boot image. |
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| 02:12.48 | lanodan | [raspbian but no response since 01:37:52 UTC] I got an error when I update libc6 https://paste.debian.net/142801/ |
| 02:13.53 | abrotman | lanodan: that's their package, you'll have to ask them |
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| 02:14.43 | lanodan | Ok I think Iâll compile it ;3 |
| 02:14.45 | pfred1 | isn't going to give the tread lightly with your libc speech |
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| 02:15.19 | paultag | you're going to compile libc on a raspi |
| 02:15.26 | paultag | raspbian doesn't even do that :) |
| 02:17.02 | waltman | I'm running testing and afaict the updated libc6 for GHOST hasn't hit the repositories yet. Am I missing something? |
| 02:17.28 | waltman | I've got "deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free" in my sources.list. |
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| 02:20.33 | abrotman | waltman: which does nothing .. |
| 02:20.47 | waltman | oh? |
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| 02:21.11 | abrotman | waltman: Look at the contents of the Packages file |
| 02:21.17 | waltman | OK then. What should it say? |
| 02:21.21 | abrotman | waltman: the libc fix will hit testing 2-10 days after introduction to unstable |
| 02:21.30 | abrotman | dpkg: tell waltman about testing security |
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| 02:24.22 | waltman | I've seen security fixes hit testing pretty quickly before. So it went into production *without* hitting unstable? |
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| 02:24.51 | waltman | I don't even see it on https://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_excuses.html |
| 02:25.44 | abrotman | again, 2-10 days |
| 02:25.49 | abrotman | is the fixed package in unstable yet? |
| 02:26.21 | waltman | That's why I'm asking here! |
| 02:26.49 | abrotman | judd: versions libc6 |
| 02:26.51 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u4; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u7; sid: 2.19-13; jessie: 2.19-13 |
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| 02:27.33 | sonno | Alright, so it's installed. I've got a shell on my hdd. Now I should be recieving an address from my DHCP server, but I'm not. |
| 02:27.58 | abrotman | waltman: appears to have been fixed quite some time ago, see the DSA |
| 02:28.08 | sonno | My setup is box (eth0 no cable/eth1 cat5) to wireless reciever to wireless router. |
| 02:28.45 | sonno | My wireless reciever has been working fine transferring DHCP traffic with another device. |
| 02:28.52 | sonno | So I'm thinking this is an issue within my box. |
| 02:29.14 | sonno | Any advice? |
| 02:29.50 | sonno | ip addr shows absolutely no external IP (it's a KVM so there is a vethnet adapter with an internal IP) |
| 02:30.14 | sonno | No APIPA, nothing. |
| 02:30.23 | sonno | Like it didn't even try to recieve an address. |
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| 02:33.39 | Akuw | hi, i am looking for manual to configure mail server |
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| 02:43.04 | abrotman | Akuw: there are many, you'll have to be more specific |
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| 02:43.29 | aaron1 | hi |
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| 02:44.06 | Akuw | i have a VPS and need to install a mail server so using php i can send mail |
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| 02:45.14 | abrotman | are you going to send the mail directly, or via smarthost? |
| 02:45.49 | Akuw | using mail library of php |
| 02:45.58 | Akuw | that use sendmail |
| 02:46.07 | abrotman | That didn't answer my question |
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| 02:47.18 | cafuego | Akuw: install postfix, answer its config questions during install... PHP will use that. |
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| 02:51.29 | primo | something is fishy... when I search debian sid packages it says that a package is available but when I try to install with apt it says it's not. Any ideas? |
| 02:51.43 | abrotman | which package? |
| 02:51.46 | Akuw | postfixthanks cafuego |
| 02:51.54 | primo | ***I should have said search from the website |
| 02:51.57 | Akuw | i will do |
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| 02:52.05 | abrotman | primo: which package? |
| 02:52.06 | primo | libavcodec-extra-54 |
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| 02:52.32 | abrotman | primo: that package isn't in sid |
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| 02:53.27 | primo | abrotman: hmm... it says here that it is https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=sid§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=libavcodec |
| 02:53.54 | primo | abrotman: either way how might i get it you think? |
| 02:53.58 | abrotman | primo: and what does it say for available architectures? |
| 02:54.43 | abrotman | primo: you probably want libavcodec-56 |
| 02:54.50 | primo | abrotman: got me :P |
| 02:54.51 | abrotman | sorry |
| 02:54.54 | abrotman | primo: you probably want libavcodec-extra-56 |
| 02:55.18 | primo | abrotman: correct. I have a dependency issue with 54 |
| 02:55.45 | abrotman | that sounds difficult to solve |
| 02:55.46 | primo | abrotman: I mean I'm trying to install a package that requires it |
| 02:56.24 | abrotman | is the package in Debian? or outside? |
| 02:56.56 | primo | abrotman: outside :( |
| 02:57.26 | Akuw | is posible install postfix in localhost? |
| 02:57.32 | primo | abrotman: see, the whole thing is me on a mission to find a screen recording program that works with alsa only |
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| 03:00.27 | abrotman | Akuw: yes |
| 03:00.38 | abrotman | primo: what's wrong with istanbul or recordmydesktop ? |
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| 03:02.31 | Akuw | i am installing but what option have to choose ? Internet Site or Internet with smarthost ? |
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| 03:03.09 | abrotman | Akuw: I asked you that 20 minutes ago, and you wouldn't answer me |
| 03:03.09 | primo | abrotman: I tried vokoscreen and kazam. I looked at recordmydesktop before let me look again right now |
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| 03:03.47 | Akuw | what means send mail directly? |
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| 03:10.33 | primo | abrotman: I just tried recordmydesktop and it works perfect. thank you. I don't remember why I blew it off before |
| 03:10.46 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 03:11.27 | primo | abrotman: i feel so stupid when I waste so much time doing something only to have the answer be so simple and easy |
| 03:11.44 | primo | I'd almost feel better if it were really tough to solve :P |
| 03:12.35 | abrotman | sorry |
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| 03:18.28 | Danavu | im on a live cd that i dont want to reboot, i disabled wireless on nmapplet but now i cant reenable |
| 03:18.53 | Danavu | theres no rfkill command either |
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| 03:19.49 | dizzylizzy | Hmm, is it possible to list things by their install size? |
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| 03:20.46 | Danavu | nmapplet is giving me the 'disabled by hardware switch' message eben though itson |
| 03:20.47 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dizzylizzy about sort by size |
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| 03:21.43 | Danavu | (im ssh on android to irc right now) |
| 03:22.07 | dizzylizzy | thankooplez |
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| 03:23.43 | Danavu | i feel like theres a setting in /proc or /sys that im missing |
| 03:24.18 | Danavu | and id really rather not reboot this live cd... |
| 03:27.20 | damjan | Danavu: sudo rfkill list |
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| 03:27.48 | damjan | ah if it's not there, hrmm, install it somehow? |
| 03:28.42 | Danavu | ugh that would almost be as much pain as rebooting |
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| 03:30.28 | Danavu | actually probably not... do ypu know what package provides that? |
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| 03:31.14 | damjan | Danavu: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/rfkill |
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| 03:33.48 | Danavu | im surprised there isnt something in /sys to toggle |
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| 03:35.41 | Danavu | maybe something with `iw` |
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| 03:47.00 | Danavu | got it, installed rfkill.. thanks |
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| 03:51.30 | Akuw | after install how can i test postfix? |
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| 04:29.06 | mysupper | Anybody using debian as NAS server? |
| 04:29.56 | mysupper | I'm planning to make a NAS as a home garage and I want to make a dlna server on her. |
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| 04:47.32 | pharvey | preseeding: is there any sensible way to skip partman altogether? I'm just using naked block devices (LVM), which do not have partition tables, from dom0 host. |
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| 04:48.01 | SirLagz | pharvey: what are you trying to do ? |
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| 04:48.43 | pharvey | SirLagz: I'm scripting debian VM provisioning. It all basically works except partman goes all interactive and wants me to create partitions on my block devices, where I don't want any. |
| 04:48.56 | SirLagz | ah |
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| 04:49.04 | SirLagz | pharvey: scripting with what ? preseed ? |
| 04:49.10 | pharvey | yes |
| 04:49.27 | SirLagz | I wonder how I did mine... |
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| 04:50.36 | SirLagz | pharvey: I told mine to do it automatically |
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| 04:51.14 | pharvey | SirLagz: I could do that, if I wanted partition tables... I am trying to keep my LVM logical volumes partition-table-less |
| 04:51.27 | SirLagz | ah true |
| 04:51.30 | pharvey | i.e. root should mount from /dev/xvda rather than /dev/xvvda1 |
| 04:51.37 | pharvey | best reference I've found is https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2008/06/msg00324.html |
| 04:51.40 | pharvey | but I don't want to hack my own udebs |
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| 04:52.14 | SirLagz | I only have one disk with one LVM IIRC and I partition that I guess |
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| 04:52.23 | SirLagz | don't even remember how mine works =/ |
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| 04:52.53 | pharvey | :) |
| 04:53.34 | pharvey | I guess if I don't need a bootloader/grub, and I don't need partitioning, that's 75% of d-i haha. Guess I might just debbootstrap the filesystem and ditch d-i alltogether |
| 04:54.01 | SirLagz | throw in some networking settings and packages and that's 100% of d-i lol |
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| 04:54.57 | pharvey | I was so sure I'd be ableto use some early_command to skip partman |
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| 05:21.56 | ProfOak_ | Hey guys, I have no sound on debian testing 64bit. This is my lspci http://pastebin.com/VTRuUgWT I just did a fresh install yesterday and the sound was crackling. Then today I just had no sound. I believe firmware_realtek is installed. I'm just using my mobo's onboard audio. |
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| 05:23.17 | pharvey | ProfOak_: I'm no expert on pulseaudio/linux sound generally, but too many times I've discovered I've gone without sound for many weeks and just discovered that some mixer channel not normally displayed in my desktop environment has been reduced or muted... worth checking |
| 05:24.13 | ProfOak_ | pharvey I should have said that I checked alsamixer has removed any previously had soundcard names besides default, which has one master. |
| 05:24.48 | pharvey | cool :) it's good to check the boring stuff. |
| 05:24.56 | ProfOak_ | It had another one yesterday, but today it has disappeared. Yes I have tried turning off and on again, too. :p |
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| 05:25.38 | pharvey | ProfOak_: next I'd see if anything can be twiddled in your bios settings; and take a look at dmesg |
| 05:26.17 | ProfOak_ | pharvey: I dual boot windows, and that has sound. I'm fairly certain that it's just on this debian install |
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| 05:26.56 | pharvey | fair enough. I assume booting into windows and then restarting doesn't do anything interesting |
| 05:27.03 | ProfOak_ | Nope, tried that too |
| 05:27.29 | pharvey | so, what sound driver do you end up with? from lsmod? |
| 05:27.46 | pharvey | lsmod |grep snd |
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| 05:28.21 | ProfOak_ | Seems to be nothing there |
| 05:29.07 | pharvey | anything obvious in dmesg? |
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| 05:30.11 | ProfOak_ | gimme something I can grep |
| 05:30.35 | pharvey | snd |
| 05:30.49 | ProfOak_ | Nothin |
| 05:31.00 | pharvey | SBx00 |
| 05:31.19 | ProfOak_ | Nope |
| 05:31.46 | pharvey | audio |
| 05:31.48 | heurist | ProfOak_: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net maybe they know something specific that is broken in testing at this time. it is called "testing" for a reason. |
| 05:32.10 | ProfOak_ | pharvey: Nothing |
| 05:32.26 | ProfOak_ | heurist: I didn't know that. I'll check it out, too |
| 05:32.51 | pharvey | hrm, grep -i hda is my last guess :) |
| 05:33.13 | ProfOak_ | nothing |
| 05:33.15 | ProfOak_ | pretty weird |
| 05:33.46 | pharvey | which kernel are you running? |
| 05:33.47 | pharvey | uname -a |
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| 05:34.27 | ProfOak_ | 3.16 |
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| 05:35.07 | pharvey | I've had some weirdness lately in 3.16+ kernels, increased fussiness with dmi strings or mtrr registers - one of my machines wouldn't boot until I did a bios update. |
| 05:35.20 | pharvey | (it had previously worked fine on 3.12 kernels) |
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| 05:36.02 | pharvey | you don't have a borked ~/.asoundrc file by any chance? |
| 05:36.24 | ProfOak_ | using the default |
| 05:37.10 | pharvey | could you try removing this file and restarting? |
| 05:37.38 | ProfOak_ | I meant that I don't have an that file in my home, so I'm using whatever is in /etc |
| 05:38.28 | pharvey | cool |
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| 05:40.28 | pharvey | lack of sound drivers being loaded, lack of mentions in dmesg and no alsamixer presence .... I'd still go back into your bios and poke around - sometimes windows drivers are more resilient to bad bios settings than linux (and vice versa..) |
| 05:42.57 | pipl | ProfOak_: would you mind posting the dmesg logs again as the old pastebin link expired. |
| 05:43.40 | ProfOak_ | pipl: The pastebin was for my lspci, and it's still up. One sec though |
| 05:43.55 | lflapy | bonjour |
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| 05:49.09 | ProfOak_ | pipl: http://pastebin.com/0kUs0gJA |
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| 05:52.20 | pipl | ProfOak_: got it. |
| 05:52.45 | ProfOak_ | pipl: Are you a wizard? |
| 05:53.37 | pipl | ProfOak_: no. :) |
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| 05:54.16 | ProfOak_ | Well what should I do, doctor? |
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| 05:58.09 | ProfOak_ | pipl: ? |
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| 06:01.03 | ProfOak_ | I am confused now |
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| 06:02.01 | centrx | oh my |
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| 06:02.43 | centrx | ProfOak_, Do you have the right sound drivers installed for your card? |
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| 06:03.21 | ProfOak_ | centrx: I'm not entirely sure. apt decided it was a good idea to install firmware-realtek, so I went along with it. |
| 06:03.57 | centrx | ProfOak_, yeah find the name of your sound card with lspci and Google it with the word "Debian" or possibly "Linux" |
| 06:04.03 | pipl | ProfOak_: try lspci -k to see which kernel module is loaded for your device. |
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| 06:05.21 | ProfOak_ | SBx00 Azalia |
| 06:06.28 | themill | snd-hda-intel claims to support that |
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| 06:07.06 | valdyn | ProfOak_: uname -r |
| 06:07.36 | ProfOak_ | 3.16 |
| 06:07.45 | lflapynous | bonjour à tous |
| 06:07.46 | valdyn | ProfOak_: the complete output |
| 06:08.01 | ProfOak_ | 3.16.0.4-amd64 |
| 06:08.52 | valdyn | ProfOak_: "lsmod | grep snd" gives what? |
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| 06:11.21 | ProfOak_ | Sorry, had to reboot |
| 06:11.28 | valdyn | ProfOak_: "lsmod | grep snd" gives what? |
| 06:11.48 | ProfOak_ | valdyn: blank |
| 06:12.17 | pipl | ProfOak_: lspci -k . any kernel module loaded for your sound ? |
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| 06:12.52 | ProfOak_ | I did make that a paste earlier... |
| 06:13.44 | ProfOak_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.15 | valdyn | ProfOak_: that "| grep Audio" is removes the important stuff |
| 06:15.24 | pipl | yep. please remove `| grep Audio' |
| 06:16.04 | ProfOak_ | http://pastebin.com/1aNcvQh9 |
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| 06:32.09 | pharvey | ProfOak_: there is a newer bios available for your motherboard. Performing bios updates has some risk though, but... |
| 06:32.23 | pharvey | oh, he disappeared :) |
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| 06:32.56 | pharvey | those kernel stacktraces in his dmesg might suggest why his sound driver wasn't loading. |
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| 07:23.12 | bipul | Hello, Good morning to all. |
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| 07:24.18 | st_d3vil | hi, i have a problem with rsyslog on wheezy, when i do "service rsyslog stop" it returns "Stopping rsyslog (via systemctl): rsyslog.serviceJob for rsyslog.service canceled. failed!" |
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| 07:25.00 | bipul | I have a wonderful problem, I hope someone will answer my problem. I am not able to get into a grub menu , i am always stuck here http://oi62.tinypic.com/23h7i20.jpg . I would like to change the password of my root account. |
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| 07:30.57 | st_d3vil | bipul: so, it sims LILO not grub, try to apt-get install grub , or reset root password from livecd |
| 07:31.08 | st_d3vil | with chroot to root file system |
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| 07:32.24 | bipul | st_d3vil: But it is showing me boot : |
| 07:32.33 | bipul | I don't know what to boot? |
| 07:32.50 | bipul | I lost the password of a user account |
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| 07:33.26 | st_d3vil | can you boot from usb stick or livecd? |
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| 07:33.55 | bipul | st_d3vil: No i am unable to boot |
| 07:34.07 | bipul | That's the main problem st_d3vil |
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| 07:36.19 | bipul | st_d3vil: I am unable to even install any other Linux distro. could you please help me. |
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| 07:38.05 | st_d3vil | try to hit tab, and use command "linux single" |
| 07:38.27 | st_d3vil | it's old method and i'm not sure |
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| 07:38.58 | bipul | Let me try. |
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| 07:39.23 | st_d3vil | then "passwd" "sync && reboot" |
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| 07:51.10 | st_d3vil | systemctl disable rsyslog.service -- resolve my problem |
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| 09:11.35 | testdeb | hi ive installed debian stable in dell M4800 with nvidia graphics card, couldnt get debian running, changed noveau modeset in grub, caould get gdm working. i upgraded to jessie fro new drives and i dont get gdm working anymore, checked many forums and debian wiki couldnt get the exact info... can anyone help me on how to get gdm working with nvidia hardware. it would also be good if i can switch off nvidia graphics and use default |
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| 09:13.33 | testdeb | * i have only a console now and would like to use jessie with nvidia graphics card. the graphics card is Quadro K2100M |
| 09:14.01 | testdeb | * it would also be great if i can switch off nvidia and use intel default graphics |
| 09:14.27 | testdeb | what can i do ? thanks |
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| 09:21.25 | testdeb | is there any info on jessie tested and working well - laptops ? |
| 09:22.37 | testdeb | or with wheeyz tested and working well laptops? |
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| 09:24.59 | Brainfvck | hy to all |
| 09:25.05 | trysten | hello |
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| 09:26.26 | testdeb | hi |
| 09:26.56 | gdm85 | hi. is anybody familiar with initramfs-tools? somehow it's caching custom scripts and not putting the latest version in the generated initrd |
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| 09:32.17 | bipul | I need a help |
| 09:34.15 | bipul | I lost my root passwod of my debian. And I am not able to get in a "Single user" mode aka rescue mode. Could anyone tell me what to do? |
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| 09:35.51 | tomodachi | bipul: does it have an ssh server installed? |
| 09:36.10 | petn-randall | !forgot root password |
| 09:36.11 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 09:36.16 | petn-randall | bipul ^^^ |
| 09:36.19 | bipul | why? what it has to do with ssh? when i am not able to login. |
| 09:36.19 | Gargantua | anyone feel like setting up an infinoted server for a friend an I? we'd like to collaborate on a project but the connections are blocked on both ends so we can trun the server :( |
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| 09:36.46 | tomodachi | bipul: check the bot response, its probably easier for you |
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| 09:37.13 | petn-randall | bipul: Because then you could log in via ssh key, and then change the password. |
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| 09:38.28 | LeadCenobite | Hallo |
| 09:38.45 | LeadCenobite | why is Debian switching Num Block off at Start? |
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| 09:40.18 | Gargantua | before the display manager or after? |
| 09:40.30 | LeadCenobite | both |
| 09:40.43 | Gargantua | disable the login manager and see if the behavior continues |
| 09:40.50 | Gargantua | if it doesn then at least you know it has to do with X |
| 09:40.58 | LeadCenobite | Num Block goes off I switch on, the GDM is switching Num Block Off again |
| 09:41.56 | LeadCenobite | I think I remember old Windows NT Version did the same thing |
| 09:42.16 | Gargantua | heh |
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| 09:42.33 | Gargantua | LeadCenobite, here's something fan: hack it so that it sends an X keycode to turn it on/off |
| 09:42.38 | Gargantua | and by hack it i mean patch it |
| 09:42.50 | Gargantua | depending on a configuration option perhaps |
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| 09:43.00 | petn-randall | o.O |
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| 09:45.29 | lflapy | cool |
| 09:45.35 | lflapy | bonjour a tous |
| 09:46.08 | lflapy | msg dpkg wheezy |
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| 09:49.55 | lflapy | ok |
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| 09:51.17 | junka | i have created a hotspot with networkmanager, how can i review the users who are connected? |
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| 09:59.10 | Filystyn | need to open rar what i need to apt-get? |
| 10:00.20 | damjan | Filystyn: unrar |
| 10:00.24 | n_to | unrar |
| 10:00.33 | Offerus | If you use non-free that would be unrar |
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| 10:00.59 | Filystyn | ofc it must be free |
| 10:01.23 | Filystyn | im lik e100% i opened rar files with something on debian and i got it with apt-get |
| 10:01.29 | Filystyn | just dont remember the name of program |
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| 10:02.35 | Offerus | you could try unrar-free |
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| 10:03.54 | Filystyn | yes i got it thanks |
| 10:04.07 | Offerus | :) |
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| 10:06.47 | lflapy | !list |
| 10:06.47 | dpkg | lflapy: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 10:12.38 | trysten | i installed debian on android. apparently having permissions problems. fancy that |
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| 10:13.56 | Offerus | have you rooted your android? |
| 10:14.12 | trysten | Offerus: yes |
| 10:14.23 | trysten | Offerus: i'm installing openssh-server right now |
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| 10:15.00 | trysten | using debian-kit i installed it in an image. it mounts alongside android |
| 10:15.19 | rethus | I have installed debian 6: etc/issue say (Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l) |
| 10:15.36 | rethus | can I add the LTS for debian 6, or may this break my system? |
| 10:15.41 | trysten | but my "andromize" package complains of lacking permissions. i think it may have something to do with a directory binding |
| 10:16.07 | Offerus | trysten: And do you just have an linux shell or also graphics? |
| 10:16.54 | themill | rethus: that's what squeeze-lts is for but you might want to consider upgrading to a supported release. |
| 10:17.25 | rethus | themill: yes, I'll do. At the moment first i try to close the glibc Bug |
| 10:17.31 | trysten | Offerus: just a shell. i seem to have an issue with /etc/goup |
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| 10:18.49 | trysten | Offerus: the permissions appear to be set right on the file. i can manipulate it |
| 10:19.38 | trysten | but apt/dpkg/group scripts are complaining about writing to it |
| 10:20.06 | L0aD1nG | i get this error via x-session-manager on ~/.xsessionerrors files : |
| 10:20.29 | L0aD1nG | "x-session-manager[3512]: Gtk-WARNING: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:59:17: Theming engine 'unico'" |
| 10:20.32 | L0aD1nG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:20.48 | Offerus | trysten: sry, that is a bit too difficult to me |
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| 10:21.03 | L0aD1nG | but it doesn't seem I miss some file... |
| 10:21.12 | L0aD1nG | any idea what could be causing this... |
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| 10:21.34 | trysten | Offerus: don't worry, not difficult, just complex. you have already helped me, thank you! |
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| 10:22.14 | Offerus | trysten: You are welcome. I know, talking helps ;) |
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| 10:35.06 | rethus | I have add the LTS repo for Squeeze. I've run an upgrade. But libc.so.6 seems still to be 2.11.3 |
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| 10:35.23 | rethus | http://privatepaste.com/7bc88e4a19 |
| 10:35.38 | rethus | Does the fix not in LTS ? |
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| 10:36.52 | jelly-home | rethus: that's the fixed version. |
| 10:37.38 | rethus | ok. thank you. |
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| 10:43.45 | M4r3nz-Work | Greetings. I am currently making a small package that installs a library. Given that a library exists in it's main version and several links to it, I am confused about whether I should create the link without any versions, e.g. for libary test, I install libtest.so.1.2.3, but what about the link libtest.so? Do I create that? That link is usually required when you want to link with the library, thus I wndoer.. |
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| 10:46.18 | bazhang | what version of debian |
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| 10:48.39 | junka | i have created a hotspot with networkmanager, how can i review the users who are connected? |
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| 10:49.43 | rethus | jelly-home: where can I see which versions are affected? |
| 10:49.53 | rethus | are there an overview? |
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| 10:50.45 | DelphiWorld | hello debianistic people;) |
| 10:50.54 | DelphiWorld | what's the use of the kfreebsd release of debian? |
| 10:51.49 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: kfreebsd |
| 10:51.49 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 parallel with stable since Debian 7 "Wheezy". Ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 10:52.17 | bazhang | #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. <--- DelphiWorld |
| 10:52.36 | DelphiWorld | bazhang: another irc =) |
| 10:52.52 | bazhang | the correct channel for it |
| 10:52.58 | rethus | jelly-home: cause I've read 2.18 is the fixed version, but my pastebin seems to be 2.11 |
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| 10:53.03 | tete_ | hi, i would like to remove a package from apt-cache. i somehow installed that but its long time ago, so i can not remember what i did. i compiled dovecot 2.2 (which was not in the repos at this time) and added it as regular package. i already cleaned the cache of apt-get but its still found |
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| 10:53.13 | tete_ | i want to replace the selfbuild version with the maintained one |
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| 10:58.06 | windows_user | Hi all! What's the best? Debian or Fedora? |
| 10:58.26 | junka | try them both and decide yourself windows_user |
| 10:59.03 | ins3 | lol |
| 10:59.26 | jelly-home | rethus: read https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2015-0235, please |
| 10:59.39 | windows_user | I need universal system. Can I migrate to Fedora from Debian? |
| 10:59.57 | windows_user | with all drivers, settings, etc... |
| 11:00.01 | ins3 | no |
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| 11:01.31 | windows_user | Then will trying LFS.. |
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| 11:04.52 | jelly-home | rethus: debian does not put new versions of software into existing releases, patches to fix specific issues are applied to old versions instead |
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| 11:13.25 | tete_ | no one who can help me migrating from dovecot 2.2 (self build) to 2.1 from wheezy? |
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| 11:14.35 | jelly-home | ,v dovecot-imapd |
| 11:14.36 | judd | Package: dovecot-imapd on i386 -- squeeze-security: 1:1.2.15-7; squeeze: 1:1.2.15-7; squeeze-security-lts: 1:1.2.15-7+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 1:2.1.7-7~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:2.1.7-7+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:2.1.7-7+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1:2.2.9-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.2.13-11; sid: 1:2.2.13-11; experimental: 1:2.2.15-1 |
| 11:14.59 | jelly-home | tete_: there's 2.2.9 in wheezy-backports that may be closer to your existing version |
| 11:15.11 | tete_ | sounds good, thanks, didnt know that |
| 11:15.21 | jelly-home | !tell tete_ about wheezy-backports |
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| 11:15.34 | tete_ | i know backports but did not know that there is a 2.2 version |
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| 11:20.22 | tete_ | apt-get -t wheezy-backports install dovecot-common prints that "dovecot-common is already the newest version." - my source.list contains the line deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main |
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| 11:21.08 | tete_ | but apt-cache show dovecot-common prints 2.1.7 |
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| 11:23.54 | damjan | tete_: maybe scroll more up |
| 11:24.38 | tete_ | ? |
| 11:24.48 | petn-randall | tete_: What does 'apt-cache policy dovecot-common' show? â http://paste.debian.net |
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| 11:25.28 | tete_ | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/edf7ef3b/ |
| 11:26.42 | tete_ | the problem is i have a 2.2 dovecot running and dont want to destroy that, so i thought i just backup the config, install the regular dovecot from debian (2.1) and replace the configs |
| 11:26.47 | tete_ | then remove the old install of my selfbuild dovecot |
| 11:27.15 | petn-randall | tete_: Did you run 'apt-get update' yet? |
| 11:27.19 | petn-randall | ,v dovecot-common |
| 11:27.21 | judd | Package: dovecot-common on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.2.15-7; squeeze-security: 1:1.2.15-7; squeeze-security-lts: 1:1.2.15-7+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 1:2.1.7-7~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:2.1.7-7+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1:2.1.7-7+deb7u1 |
| 11:27.22 | tete_ | yes |
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| 11:28.06 | petn-randall | tete_: Yeah, you already have the newest version. There's no newer version in wheezy-backports. |
| 11:28.21 | tete_ | does that work? 2.1.7 common and 2.2.x core? |
| 11:28.37 | petn-randall | tete_: Probably not. Why do you need 2.2.x? |
| 11:28.53 | tete_ | i compiled it to have some functionality in pigeonhole |
| 11:29.04 | tete_ | dovecot-2.2-pigeonhole dovecot |
| 11:29.10 | tete_ | those two packages i compiled myself |
| 11:29.22 | tete_ | it was not important so i thought i drop that, go to 2.1.7 and have a maintained version |
| 11:29.31 | tete_ | guess the config did not change that much |
| 11:29.37 | tete_ | at least i hope so :P |
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| 11:30.50 | tete_ | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ca2e7cd4/ but there is no such file /etc/dovecot/README |
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| 11:35.53 | petn-randall | tete_: dpkg seems to disagree. |
| 11:36.57 | tete_ | seems like, but the file does not exist, so guess i have to first uninstall the 2.2 package |
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| 11:44.24 | savask | Hello. I had Windows 8 pre-installed on my laptop, but when I installed Debian 7 on it, it, well, have-not-appeared in the grub list. Is there a way to make grub see windows again? I have tried running update-grub with no luck. Here is parted -l output, if that helps: http://pastebin.com/XEaT2mL1 |
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| 11:45.40 | damjan | savask: install os-prober |
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| 11:46.38 | savask | damjan: It is installed. When I run it without root, it curses on not having enough rights. When I run it with root, it just says nothing. |
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| 11:47.43 | damjan | haven't had windows since some time... I hope you didn't overwrite it on install? |
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| 11:48.06 | savask | I hope not |
| 11:48.32 | savask | I think I can try to mount something and check if windows files are still there. |
| 11:48.52 | damjan | afaik, windows 8 should use efi booting |
| 11:49.20 | damjan | and the laptop should have a small (256MB or so) vfat partition with the efi stuff |
| 11:49.47 | savask | Btw, about EFI. There is a magical 2nd partition which is named "EFI system partition" |
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| 11:51.06 | tete_ | i added now http://wiki2.dovecot.org/PrebuiltBinaries to my sources.list, and it got fetched during apt-get update, but when i do a search for dovecot, and check the versions with apt-cache show, each package is still a 2.1.7 |
| 11:51.23 | tete_ | is there some kind of priority which could block that? i checked /etc/apt but did not find anything which could do that |
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| 12:05.43 | tete_ | when i would like to add pinning in preferences, like described in https://wiki.debian.org/de/AptPreferences, how should i do that with a repository like "deb http://xi.rename-it.nl/debian/ testing-auto/dovecot-2.2 main" ? use Pin: release n=testing-auto/dovecot-2.2 ? |
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| 12:06.09 | tete_ | i tried with apt-get -t testing-auto/dovecot-2.2 install dovecot-core, did not work |
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| 12:10.08 | themill | tete_: from their Release file, it looks like it would be just "testing-auto". Check the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 12:12.39 | tete_ | ah ok, now i found that the regular versions have pin priority 500, whereas backports has only 100, thats the reason why its not shown |
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| 12:14.02 | talin | hello. i am running jessie, and every day i get an e-mail from root, complaining about logrotate in cron.daily: error: cups.dpkg-remove:1 duplicate log entry for /var/log/cups/access_log |
| 12:14.07 | tete_ | even tho i added the repository from rename.it (http://xi.rename-it.nl/debian/) it still does not show any 2.2.15 versions |
| 12:14.08 | talin | is anyone familiar with this problem? |
| 12:14.26 | tete_ | guess i am doing something wrong, but apt-get update fetched the repo update |
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| 12:18.27 | themill | tete_: there are no amd64 packages in that repo |
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| 12:18.58 | tete_ | crap thats why they are not listed :( |
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| 12:19.33 | themill | there are i386 packages and source packages there but it's not sounding that useful just now... |
| 12:20.33 | tete_ | but there are amd64 packages? |
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| 12:20.56 | tete_ | http://xi.rename-it.nl/debian/pool/stable-auto/dovecot-2.2/ |
| 12:21.53 | themill | not in the testing-auto repo that you are looking at |
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| 12:22.29 | themill | The sources.list line you showed earlier points at http://xi.rename-it.nl/debian/dists/testing-auto/dovecot-2.2/main/binary-amd64/Packages |
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| 12:23.31 | donttrustem | I am setting up sftp using this https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/tools/limiting-access-with-sftp-jails-on-debian-and-ubuntu and created a symlink inside the users home dir to /var/www/site dir Set the permission but when I login and click on the symlink I get the message Could not resolve symlink âruestatesâ. file not found |
| 12:23.40 | tete_ | ah ok thanks themill |
| 12:23.47 | tete_ | so i just have to use stable-auto |
| 12:24.37 | themill | tete_: I don't know what the purpose of these packages is or what you are wanting to do. neither "testing" nor "auto" sound like things I'd install on any machine I cared about. |
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| 12:25.12 | tete_ | i would just replace the 2.2.10 version of dovecot on my mail server as i want this being maintained |
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| 12:25.21 | tete_ | i dont want to compile all the time dovecot when a new version arrives |
| 12:25.57 | tete_ | so i thought i go to 2.1.7, but i dont know if this will work (config changes etc.), then i noticed that backports has 2.2.9 but no dovecot-common (still at 2.1.7 in backports) |
| 12:26.10 | tete_ | so my thoughts are now that i could use that repo |
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| 12:27.56 | themill | tete_: the dovecot-common package isn't required as of 1:2.1.17-2 |
| 12:28.11 | tete_ | ah ok |
| 12:28.12 | themill | it looks like it needs to be decrufted from backports |
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| 12:28.57 | themill | nope, already gone |
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| 12:29.13 | themill | https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/d/dovecot/changelog-1%3A2.2.9-1~bpo70%2B1 |
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| 12:30.56 | tete_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:32.02 | Samouy | hello all , i have some trouble with libGL.so.1 , I can't run some software using it , they crash and say that this lib is missing |
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| 12:32.26 | themill | tete_: there's no guarantee that these 3rd party packages and the debian packages have ever thought of providing an upgrade path |
| 12:33.18 | L0aD1nG | is there any valid way to update gnome-shell on backports? |
| 12:33.19 | tete_ | what do you mean with that? sorry my english is not the best |
| 12:33.53 | donttrustem | is not sure what the problem is |
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| 12:35.38 | tete_ | i have the configs of dovecot 2.2.10, now i am going to install 2.2.9, i see no big risk |
| 12:35.55 | tete_ | unfortunately i dont have the .deb anymore of the old selfcompiled version |
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| 12:58.21 | tete_ | ok works now, thanks for the help :) |
| 12:58.42 | tete_ | running with dovecot backports wheezy |
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| 13:09.06 | Guest7761 | ciao, ho appena installato debian 7.8 non c'è nessun desktop manager??? |
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| 13:11.01 | Guest7761 | nessuno per me??? |
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| 13:11.25 | Guest7761 | perchè non riesco ad installare mate??????? |
| 13:12.46 | tomodachi | Guest7761: this is english only |
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| 13:13.00 | tomodachi | try joining a debian channel for your language |
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| 13:15.36 | Guest7761 | sorry if I use the translator, I appana installed debian 7.8 but opens the shell, I tried to install mate but can not find it, I thought it was comprised of desktop manager. Not including the desktop manager ?? if yes how I do it from? |
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| 13:16.24 | jelly | ,v mate |
| 13:16.25 | judd | No package named 'mate' was found in i386. |
| 13:16.31 | jelly | ,v mate-dekstop |
| 13:16.32 | judd | No package named 'mate-dekstop' was found in i386. |
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| 13:16.34 | jelly | ,v mate-desktop |
| 13:16.35 | judd | Package: mate-desktop on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.1+dfsg1-2; sid: 1.8.1+dfsg1-2 |
| 13:16.37 | jelly | dammit. |
| 13:17.04 | jelly | !tell vitocervo about wheezy-backports |
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| 13:17.30 | jelly | vitocervo: add that repository, then install mate-desktop |
| 13:17.46 | jelly | also, |
| 13:17.47 | jelly | !it |
| 13:17.48 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 13:21.31 | rgr | whats the cleanest way to disable graphical login with debian? I know I can remove kdm/gdm/gdm3 etc but is there another approach? |
| 13:21.35 | vitocervo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.35 | vitocervo | su - root |
| 13:21.35 | vitocervo | echo "## Debian Wheezy 7.x (Stable) Backports Repository" |
| 13:21.35 | vitocervo | echo "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:21.35 | vitocervo | apt-get update |
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| 13:22.28 | donttrustem | what perms is this drwxrwx 766? |
| 13:22.37 | rgr | no |
| 13:23.34 | rgr | rwx=7 == 4+2+1 |
| 13:23.39 | sebastianlutter | I am in search of a small x86(_64) or ARM board to build a video chat client box (based on chrome and jitsi-meet). I made some performance tests using rasperryPi and odroid-u3, but even the odroid-u3 with its mali400 GMA does only 3-5 frames/second in chrome using jitsi-meet on ubuntu. Are there any small boards available with more power then odroid-u3? |
| 13:23.43 | rgr | there are numerous totorials on this., |
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| 13:24.35 | donttrustem | 770 :) |
| 13:26.19 | jelly | sebastianlutter: did you use the correct drivers and enable video decoding/encoding/display hw acceleration? |
| 13:26.38 | jelly | mali400 is just for 3d |
| 13:27.08 | jelly | your SoC may have a different chip for video decoding |
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| 13:28.24 | DelphiWorld | debianists |
| 13:28.33 | sebastianlutter | jelly, I used the lubuntu version it ships with as well as Archlinux ARM with all hw acceleration enabled, yes. I thought the mali400 is also used as GMA like the intel integrated graphics processor on i5/i7 |
| 13:28.37 | DelphiWorld | is there any small tool to make debian usb key on windows |
| 13:28.43 | rgr | Ooo. ODriods have Ubuntu on the, |
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| 13:29.31 | sebastianlutter | jelly, maybe, need to check this. But as far as I read up to now there is only the mali available via openGL ES (and thus should accelerate videos in the browser) |
| 13:30.00 | jelly | sebastianlutter: make doubly sure your software is able to actually use exynos4412 features. |
| 13:30.03 | sebastianlutter | rgr, odroids are shipped with android/lubuntu14.04 dual boot |
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| 13:30.17 | rgr | the mali400 docs say its for 3d only. |
| 13:30.30 | jelly | sebastianlutter: you also need accelerated decoding and encoding, not just display. |
| 13:31.08 | jelly | DelphiWorld: yes, http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ |
| 13:31.20 | sebastianlutter | jelly, I'll check that, thanks. |
| 13:31.36 | sebastianlutter | Anyway, are there any SoC with a little more power you know? |
| 13:32.26 | TyrfingMjolnir | Which ftpd do I choose? |
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| 13:33.05 | TyrfingMjolnir | I need to set up an ftp server, which dpkg do I choose? |
| 13:33.13 | DelphiWorld | thx jelly |
| 13:33.39 | rgr | TyrfingMjolnir: which ones are you considering? |
| 13:33.53 | TyrfingMjolnir | proftpd? |
| 13:34.14 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: vsftpd, if you really have to use ftp and can't possibly avoid it |
| 13:34.35 | SynrG | !ftp must die |
| 13:34.35 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
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| 13:34.39 | TyrfingMjolnir | Myself I think it's an 80s technology; I would prefer the people connecting scp, git or webservice |
| 13:34.45 | SynrG | Yeah |
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| 13:34.58 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: on a fresh setup, you should only give them sftp (openssh-server is enough to make it work) |
| 13:35.10 | TyrfingMjolnir | But this fxukers need to use PUT with username and password suppsedly |
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| 13:38.08 | TyrfingMjolnir | Ideally I would have an ftp PUT and LIST emulator written in node |
| 13:38.43 | jelly | heh |
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| 13:39.14 | jelly | apparently people have already written stuff like that http://www.bitvise.com/ftp-bridge |
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| 13:41.47 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have set up that config now, not sure where to set the PASV mode |
| 13:42.14 | jelly | in your ftp client :-( |
| 13:44.26 | DelphiWorld | jelly: was hoping to see something else, cause this one use QT... but thank;) |
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| 13:47.21 | DelphiWorld | jelly: win32 disk imager ask for .img, i have .iso |
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| 13:51.32 | ShishKabab | An upgrade of a Debian VPS went very wrong and I'm trying to fix grub. I booted into a rescue shell, so I can regenerate the grub config, but it won't mount --bind dev and so forth so I can chroot to into it. Is there any alternative method to regenerate the grub config? |
| 13:51.33 | jelly | DelphiWorld: doesn't matter. You can rename the file, or change the glob from *.img to *.* |
| 13:51.41 | opalraava | hiya folks, i have a very low-mem machine, and i cant apt-get update anymore |
| 13:51.44 | opalraava | Jan 29 08:24:49 debris kernel: [5310743.937740] Out of memory in UB 32766: OOM killed process 26313 (dpkg) score 0 vm:162560kB, rss:122312kB, swap:31020kB |
| 13:52.04 | DelphiWorld | jelly: ok will try it out |
| 13:52.27 | opalraava | it there perhaps a way to run dpkg & friends in low-memory conditions? |
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| 13:52.45 | jelly | opalraava: add some more swap, or get more RAM |
| 13:52.55 | phre4k | opalraava: increase swap |
| 13:53.16 | jelly | opalraava: anything less than 256MB and apt will be unhappy |
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| 13:53.36 | opalraava | oh ok :o( |
| 13:53.47 | jelly | opalraava: or stop all the other processes while doing upgrades |
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| 13:54.30 | opalraava | its some paravirtualized box costing $15/year, i cant really change the hardware |
| 13:54.43 | phre4k | opalraava: get a better VPS |
| 13:54.49 | opalraava | lol ya |
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| 13:55.05 | phre4k | opalraava: this will change the hardware, magically |
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| 13:55.22 | jelly | opalraava: I have a whooping 512MB on a $26/year PV xen :-) |
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| 13:56.24 | opalraava | woah i want that xD these new vps hosters all going cheap its like a candy store |
| 13:56.40 | jelly | opalraava: other hacks: do apt-get -d install stuff, then install using dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/... |
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| 13:58.30 | jelly | opalraava: 12⬠/ 6 months, https://www.ultravps.eu/en/ |
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| 13:59.06 | jelly | wanted low-ping european hosting |
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| 14:01.29 | opalraava | hmm dpkg -i still goes out of memory |
| 14:01.41 | opalraava | worth the try tho... |
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| 14:02.54 | pehlert | Hey folks. Can I tell dpkg to only install a package if it is not already installed? |
| 14:03.10 | jelly | opalraava: make a swap file, say 256-512MB size, but using dpkg with swapping is really an exercise in futility |
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| 14:03.45 | DelphiWorld | jelly, if i push a live debian image using dd or cp to a disk, will b be able to use it normaly? |
| 14:03.49 | DelphiWorld | or it use ramdisk |
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| 14:04.01 | Mohammed-al-Issa | How rock solid is Jessie? |
| 14:04.04 | osram | pehlert: apt-get install <package> will only install the package if it's not already there. |
| 14:04.06 | Mohammed-al-Issa | compared to Wheezy |
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| 14:04.24 | petn-randall | Mohammed-al-Issa: This much <-------------------------------------> |
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| 14:04.27 | petn-randall | (not for scale) |
| 14:04.31 | opalraava | i'll just find a better host and remember next time minimal memory is 512MB |
| 14:04.40 | pehlert | osram: Yup, but I'm looking for a way to do this for non-repo packages installed with dpkg -i |
| 14:04.52 | jelly | DelphiWorld: I have no idea, never tried it. Presumably it might work similar to it being on an usb stick? |
| 14:04.56 | Mohammed-al-Issa | petn-randall: looks amazing |
| 14:05.24 | jelly | Mohammed-al-Issa: it's not released yet. If it were deemed stable enough, it would be released. |
| 14:05.44 | petn-randall | Mohammed-al-Issa: If you tell us what you want to do, we might be able to come with a solution/recommendation. |
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| 14:06.45 | Mohammed-al-Issa | do we have an ETA for Jessie? |
| 14:06.50 | Mohammed-al-Issa | (stable version) |
| 14:07.02 | petn-randall | !wwjr |
| 14:07.02 | dpkg | I have no idea when Debian 8.0 "Jessie" will release -- when it's ready, I guess, but I do know about the <jessie freeze>. For user contributed guesses on when it will release, ask me about <jessie pool 1>. See also <release goals>, <wir>. |
| 14:07.14 | osram | pehlert: I see. Afaik the only way would be a script that checks if the package is there and only proceeds with dpkg -i if not. |
| 14:07.41 | pehlert | osram: Alright, thank you :) I thought there might be an easier way, but couldn't find anything in the docs either |
| 14:07.56 | jelly | Mohammed-al-Issa: http://richardhartmann.de/blog/posts/2015/01/23-Debian_Release_Critical_Bug_report_for_Week_04/ |
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| 14:08.31 | Mohammed-al-Issa | danke |
| 14:09.00 | jelly | Mohammed-al-Issa: see that light-green line on the graph? Jessie will be out when that hits zero |
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| 14:10.25 | Mohammed-al-Issa | jelly: looks like it will hit 0 in ~1 month 1/2 - 2 month |
| 14:10.46 | jelly | unless MORE RC bugs are discovered! |
| 14:10.51 | jelly | heh heh heh |
| 14:10.58 | petn-randall | Mohammed-al-Issa: We have a bet pool for that. :) |
| 14:11.34 | Mohammed-al-Issa | petn-randall: haha, where is it? |
| 14:11.58 | petn-randall | Mohammed-al-Issa: /msg dpkg jessie pool 1 |
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| 14:12.30 | jelly | dpkg, richihwwjr is <reply>When _might_ jessie release? Read the latest blog at http://richardhartmann.de/tags/tech/floss/debian/rc-stats/8.0-jessie/ and guess yourself! |
| 14:12.30 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
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| 14:15.58 | petn-randall | Mohammed-al-Issa: We usually have stable-backports for those who need newer software, but can't wait for the release. |
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| 14:24.07 | Kingsy | anyone getting this error --> failed to read https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ at get-upstream-version.pl line 74. <-- when they try to upgrade flash ? |
| 14:25.04 | petn-randall | Kingsy: Which command? |
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| 14:28.36 | Kingsy | petn-randall: sudo update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
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| 14:29.42 | petn-randall | Kingsy: I'm currently getting that on jessie, too. Seems to be a new problem. |
| 14:30.09 | moss | :) |
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| 14:31.35 | osram | Kingsy: works fine for me |
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| 14:32.31 | Kingsy | petn-randall: ah ok |
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| 14:32.47 | Kingsy | so I guess just wait it out |
| 14:33.25 | petn-randall | Kingsy: Do you know how to debug the issue? If not, I'll have a stab at it tonight, and file a bug report. |
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| 14:33.51 | petn-randall | Kingsy: Looks like plain Perl. |
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| 14:46.20 | feurd | Hi. I try to use dunst as a notification-daemon, but when I launch it, it says "There's already another notification daemon running". Unfortunately, I can't find it. How can I kill the first, and use dunst? |
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| 14:58.23 | klaxa|work | hi, we're running into some weird problems with aptitude and running an update |
| 14:58.44 | klaxa|work | the process hangs with uninterruptible sleep and doesn't continue after some time |
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| 14:58.48 | klaxa|work | here is an strace log: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/876699aa6cc6707e1c8d |
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| 14:59.12 | klaxa|work | we are running a custom kernel version 3.14.27, the latest lts from kernel.org |
| 14:59.25 | klaxa|work | how should i go on trying to debug this? |
| 15:00.27 | RoyK | klaxa|work: ask the kernel guys, probably #kernelnewbies @ irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:00.44 | klaxa|work | alright, thanks! |
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| 15:02.24 | DelphiWorld | yo |
| 15:02.39 | SirLagz | hi |
| 15:02.46 | DelphiWorld | jelly, i used dd to push the iso to my usb, but when i mount /dev/sda1 it fail. fdisk say its empty ? |
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| 15:03.50 | SirLagz | DelphiWorld: why are you trying to mount /dev/sda1 ? |
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| 15:05.34 | Juslintek | Hi, how to update jpeg handler? |
| 15:07.42 | RoyK | DelphiWorld: is sda the usb drive? |
| 15:07.54 | jelly | DelphiWorld: did you write it onto the whole disk (/dev/sda, if that's your usb stick)? |
| 15:08.23 | RoyK | sda usually isn't the usb drive :P |
| 15:08.46 | jelly | that is a bit worrying, but I trust DelphiWorld knows what he's doing |
| 15:08.54 | SirLagz | jelly: famous last words... |
| 15:09.23 | Juslintek | mine jpeg is 62 |
| 15:09.26 | Juslintek | I want 80 |
| 15:09.29 | Juslintek | what to do? |
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| 15:14.33 | rgr | Juslintek: What is "62"? |
| 15:14.47 | Juslintek | jpeghandler version |
| 15:14.55 | Juslintek | rgr, jpeghandler version |
| 15:15.07 | Juslintek | I need to install this: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/libjpeg8/download |
| 15:15.11 | Juslintek | how to do it? |
| 15:15.41 | rgr | what version of debian are you using? |
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| 15:16.26 | Juslintek | Release: 7.6 |
| 15:16.26 | Juslintek | Codename: wheezy |
| 15:16.55 | centrx | Use apt-get install to install Debian packages |
| 15:17.01 | centrx | apt-get install <package name> |
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| 15:17.11 | rgr | he says he has an older version# |
| 15:17.26 | Juslintek | i used dpkg -i libjpeg8_8d-1+deb7u1_amd64.deb |
| 15:17.26 | rgr | Juslintek: where did you get this "62" from? |
| 15:17.32 | Juslintek | is that sufficient? |
| 15:17.40 | Juslintek | rgr in php from imagick |
| 15:17.50 | rgr | And you have and64? |
| 15:17.53 | rgr | amd4 |
| 15:18.20 | rgr | when was the last time you updated? Since that is the wheezy version. |
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| 15:19.54 | Juslintek | dpkg --print-architecture says so |
| 15:19.54 | dpkg | Juslintek: i don't know |
| 15:20.07 | Juslintek | right now |
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| 15:20.22 | Juslintek | I've used apt-get update |
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| 15:20.33 | Juslintek | it just checked repositories and thats it |
| 15:20.39 | rgr | check the version in synaptic. |
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| 15:20.51 | rgr | I dont know what imagick/php looks at. |
| 15:21.02 | rgr | but its the old case of "if it aint broke"..... |
| 15:21.04 | Juslintek | what is synaptic? |
| 15:21.11 | rgr | google |
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| 15:21.26 | rgr | a gui front end for package management. |
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| 15:22.14 | Juslintek | Oh, I don't have GUI |
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| 15:23.12 | Juslintek | I mean fancy gui, my gui is shell |
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| 15:23.34 | wjtaylor | Is there a way to shut off the ctrl reload on Chromium? |
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| 15:23.51 | centrx | Juslintek, If dpkg -i libjpeg8_8d-1+deb7u1_amd64.deb succeeded without using a --force- command, then you are fine |
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| 15:24.05 | Juslintek | centrx it did :-) |
| 15:24.09 | centrx | Juslintek, That is the right package version for wheezy |
| 15:24.31 | centrx | Juslintek, but just use apt-get or aptitude/dselect next time, which would have handled installing dependencies if they were needed |
| 15:24.31 | Juslintek | do I need to reboot after install? |
| 15:24.34 | centrx | no |
| 15:24.46 | centrx | may need to restart whatever program you wanted to use it with |
| 15:24.57 | Juslintek | got it |
| 15:25.10 | rgr | but use apt-get dont manually install in future. Much safer. |
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| 15:25.59 | Juslintek | but apt-get install libjpeg returns nothing |
| 15:26.11 | centrx | the name of the package is libjpeg8 |
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| 15:26.27 | centrx | Juslintek, apt-cache search will search for packages |
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| 15:26.41 | centrx | or use packages.debian.org/<string> |
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| 15:26.50 | centrx | string of full or partial package name |
| 15:28.30 | Juslintek | centrx seems that I needed to do apt-get upgrade |
| 15:28.38 | Juslintek | apt-get update is not sufficient :-) |
| 15:28.43 | Juslintek | it just renews the repo |
| 15:28.51 | centrx | Juslintek, right |
| 15:28.57 | centrx | Juslintek, also make sure your sources are right |
| 15:28.58 | centrx | !sources |
| 15:28.58 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
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| 15:29.51 | Juslintek | P.S. WHy is debian installing libc-dev-bin on production environment? |
| 15:30.49 | centrx | Juslintek, Use 'aptitude why libc-dev-bin' or 'apt-cache --installed rdepends libc-dev-bin' |
| 15:31.17 | Juslintek | got it |
| 15:31.24 | Juslintek | centrx, you are a wizard |
| 15:31.25 | Juslintek | :-) |
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| 15:32.05 | centrx | thanks, I put my pants on one leg at a time |
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| 15:37.10 | johnfg_ | hi folks |
| 15:37.17 | jeivy | hi; does anybody know how to compile the kernel in a mounted dir out of rootfs? |
| 15:37.30 | johnfg_ | I'm running gnome classic on debian wheezy. |
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| 15:38.31 | johnfg_ | Question: is there a setting to make a window easier to resize? If I want to make, e.g., urxvt bigger, the mouse jumps kind of all around before i can actually grab and stretch. |
| 15:39.16 | jeivy | johnfg: wich DE do you use? |
| 15:39.31 | jeivy | mate or shell? |
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| 15:40.53 | mtn | johnfg_: possible video driver issues. have you checked out the debian wiki for your card/chip? |
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| 15:41.50 | rgr | OR a dirty mouse. I doubt its the video driver. Why would the video driver cause it to jump? |
| 15:42.26 | mtn | there I go assuming they checked the obvious before coming here :( |
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| 15:49.11 | johnfg_ | jeivy: gnome classic |
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| 15:49.44 | xreal | Can anyone please tell me, if the bug is correctly assigned? Actually, these are two bugs. Shall I file them both? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=776526#5 |
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| 15:58.36 | pere_ | hi |
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| 15:59.15 | xreal | centrx: could you help me? |
| 15:59.51 | pere_ | does the default instalation of debian have any software to allow remote access like terminal server ? |
| 16:00.53 | centrx | xreal, If you know which parts are bugs in which packages, sure split it up |
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| 16:01.19 | centrx | xreal, but often it's not clear which has the cause, and the package maintainers would have a better idea of that |
| 16:01.26 | jelly | pere_: the server task includes openssh-server |
| 16:01.40 | xreal | centrx: Actually, there are two different maintainers for my problem :) |
| 16:01.44 | pere_ | jelly: hi, I mean a GUI |
| 16:01.53 | pere_ | like vnc or something similar |
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| 16:02.29 | jelly | pere_: then no. Linux/unix is usually remote admined via ssh. |
| 16:02.43 | pere_ | jelly: okis thank you :) |
| 16:03.04 | jelly | pere_: you'll have to install a vnc server or xrdp after installation |
| 16:03.13 | pere_ | any recomdation ? |
| 16:03.20 | pere_ | *recomendation |
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| 16:03.42 | centrx | tightvnc |
| 16:04.18 | pere_ | centrx: better than vnc |
| 16:04.20 | jelly | I can't recommend anything as I avoid using remote GUI to Linux if at all possible |
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| 16:04.27 | pere_ | jelly: I understand |
| 16:04.43 | jelly | but when I really need it, I tunnel x11vnc over ssh |
| 16:04.43 | centrx | pere_, Use a package that is in the Debian repository, not a third-party package downloaded from some website |
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| 16:05.03 | pere_ | centrx: yes of course thank you |
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| 16:13.57 | BuFF | any ideas how to fix this problem http://paste.debian.net/142905/? |
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| 16:15.17 | Iridos | BuFF, looks like you are mixing distributions |
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| 16:15.27 | centrx | wheezy-backports |
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| 16:16.08 | centrx | BuFF, Your QT install seems to be from wheezy-backports, you want to prompt apt-get to use that instead of wheezy for this install, using -t wheezy-backports with apt-get install |
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| 16:16.40 | Iridos | that's not the point |
| 16:16.52 | Iridos | judd, versions libqt4-qt3support |
| 16:16.53 | judd | Package: libqt4-qt3support on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze2; wheezy: 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11; wheezy-backports: 4:4.8.6+dfsg-2~bpo70+1; sid: 4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-2+b1; jessie: 4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-2+b1 |
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| 16:17.13 | Iridos | hmm, or maybe it is |
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| 16:18.10 | Iridos | judd, versions libqt4-qt3support --arch=amd64 |
| 16:18.11 | judd | Package: libqt4-qt3support on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze2; wheezy: 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11; wheezy-backports: 4:4.8.6+dfsg-2~bpo70+1; sid: 4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-2+b1; jessie: 4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-2+b1 |
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| 16:20.22 | BuFF | centrx: that worked, thank you very much |
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| 16:30.36 | dizzylizzy | I'm astounded that debian doesn't have nearly any casino-style games |
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| 16:30.53 | dizzylizzy | i remember gnome used to have blackjack but it was nerfed sometime during the switch to gnome 3 |
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| 16:32.08 | dizzylizzy | sounds like a need to fill, i should get working |
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| 16:33.11 | xreal | abrotman: Did you read the bugfix? I described the things, you didn't understand last time. |
| 16:33.21 | xreal | abrotman: eeeww bugmessage, not bugfix |
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| 16:35.20 | abrotman | xreal: didn't understand? |
| 16:35.28 | abrotman | xreal: not bugfix, your bug that you filed? |
| 16:35.42 | abrotman | xreal: I didn't say I didn't understand, just said I didn't think it was a bug |
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| 16:36.17 | xreal | abrotman: Yeah, the bug I filed. But that's exactly what debconf is about... console-setup misses to read 1 preconfigured setting, the rest is okay. |
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| 16:36.38 | abrotman | xreal: what's the bug # again? |
| 16:36.47 | xreal | abrotman: 776526# |
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| 16:37.27 | xreal | abrotman: I did a lot of reading on this, debconf should work that way. |
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| 16:39.27 | abrotman | xreal: could you put teh contents of your fix_db.pl script in the bug report? |
| 16:39.36 | abrotman | oh, nevermind |
| 16:40.12 | abrotman | xreal: though you should include the contents of your console.txt |
| 16:41.49 | xreal | 1 sec |
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| 16:43.56 | abrotman | xreal: append the bug, dont' paste here |
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| 17:06.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'm currently using the nvidia binary driver from wheezy-backports, had the same issue with the one from wheezy |
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| 17:10.43 | xreal | abrotman: 1 sec please, trouble in here |
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| 17:11.03 | tsenko | greetings fine people |
| 17:11.07 | tsenko | so i'm new to debian |
| 17:11.25 | tsenko | i try to install something with apt-get install <app> |
| 17:11.36 | tsenko | but i get message the app is not found |
| 17:11.53 | centrx | What is the app? |
| 17:12.02 | tsenko | irssi |
| 17:12.07 | tsenko | very common apps |
| 17:12.14 | tsenko | like irssi and tmux etc |
| 17:12.21 | tsenko | my /etc/apt/sources.list has this entry |
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| 17:12.38 | tsenko | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 17:12.42 | klaxa|work | did you run apt-get update beforehand? |
| 17:12.43 | centrx | right, you have the right command and it should work |
| 17:12.56 | centrx | ^^ update list |
| 17:13.08 | tsenko | centrx: how ? :) |
| 17:13.13 | tsenko | aah |
| 17:13.20 | tsenko | wait ... i'll try that klaxa|work |
| 17:13.56 | petn-randall | tsenko: I hope that is not the only entry you have. |
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| 17:15.25 | tsenko | petn-randall: there is another one too deb http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 17:15.31 | tsenko | just those two |
| 17:15.45 | centrx | !sources |
| 17:15.45 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
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| 17:16.35 | tsenko | klaxa|work: thank you ... i think that did it ... \o/ |
| 17:16.38 | tsenko | buddha bless you |
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| 17:17.01 | klaxa|work | you're welcome |
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| 17:23.34 | ponky | damjan: about yesterdays chitchat; i could not get the partition resized |
| 17:23.54 | ponky | Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled. |
| 17:24.28 | damjan | ponky: what feature? |
| 17:24.40 | ponky | damjan: i dont know |
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| 17:24.43 | damjan | hah |
| 17:24.44 | xmj | good morning |
| 17:24.54 | ponky | damjan: it's ext4 made by installer |
| 17:24.58 | ponky | default |
| 17:24.59 | xmj | i'm looking to install pcre. is libpcre3 the right package for it? |
| 17:25.30 | damjan | ponky: but did you use resize2fs ? |
| 17:25.38 | jelly | xmj: what do you need it for? |
| 17:25.47 | ponky | damjan: no, doesn't resize2fs resize the file system? |
| 17:25.50 | ponky | i need to expand the partition first |
| 17:25.51 | xmj | nvm, already installed |
| 17:25.54 | damjan | yes it does |
| 17:26.00 | xmj | jelly: some php modules that depend on pcre support |
| 17:26.13 | ponky | damjan: already x blocks long, nothing to do! |
| 17:26.17 | ponky | says resize2fs |
| 17:26.30 | damjan | ponky: so, the trick is. recreate the partition table (remove swap, make a larger root) |
| 17:26.40 | damjan | ponky: reboot, so the kernel knows the new partition table |
| 17:26.48 | ponky | damjan: you 100% sure? |
| 17:26.58 | ponky | i can do that |
| 17:26.59 | damjan | ponky: use resize2fs it'll see the new size of the partition and enlarge the filesystem |
| 17:27.06 | jelly | xmj: if you're building them from source, you'll need libpcre3-dev. If you're installing them from packages, libpcrewhatever will be automatically pulled in. |
| 17:27.08 | damjan | ponky: sure. I've done it hundred times |
| 17:27.15 | ponky | damjan: but how can i get swap back then |
| 17:27.21 | ponky | doesn't it use all space left on the device |
| 17:27.32 | damjan | ponky: leave enough space for the swap |
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| 17:28.27 | ponky | damjan: so basically, 1 is boot, 2 is rootfs, 3 is swap, i do parted 'rm 3' then 'resize 2 512 36000' then boot? |
| 17:28.29 | damjan | ponky: so 0-th step, disable swap. with gdisk you'll remove both partitions, and create them the way you want. |
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| 17:28.44 | xmj | jelly: yeah |
| 17:28.53 | damjan | just make sure when you recreate the root partition to begin on the exact same place as before |
| 17:29.00 | xmj | jelly: seems that all's well |
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| 17:29.07 | jelly | indeed |
| 17:29.26 | xmj | jelly: debian package naming conventions are *slightly* different from freebsd's, or centos', so i figured asking might just work |
| 17:29.33 | damjan | ponky: I didn't say to use parted, I thought it didn't work for you |
| 17:29.40 | ponky | damjan: yeah it does not |
| 17:29.42 | damjan | (and I haven't used it personally) |
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| 17:30.25 | jelly | xmj: next time you're missing some libraries for building extra stuff, try something like "apt-cache search pcre dev" |
| 17:31.49 | xmj | jelly: is /usr/local "fair game" for local software? |
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| 17:32.43 | xmj | eh, looks like |
| 17:32.44 | ponky | damjan: which tool then |
| 17:32.50 | ponky | damjan: and can you give me an example |
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| 17:33.07 | damjan | ponky: gdisk and resize2fs are he only tools you need |
| 17:33.29 | tremon | xmj: "fair game" is /opt/$software, packages in /usr/local are expected to at least honour the bin,lib,share split |
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| 17:34.25 | xmj | nod |
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| 17:34.39 | jelly | xmj: when using /usr/local, consider following FHS or using stow or /opt/vendor |
| 17:34.42 | jelly | !stow |
| 17:34.43 | dpkg | from memory, stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>. http://www.gnu.org/software/stow . See also <usrlocal>, <uupdate>. |
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| 17:35.17 | ponky | damjan: not really familiar with gdisk |
| 17:35.32 | xmj | cool |
| 17:35.35 | xmj | last one, for now |
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| 17:35.53 | xmj | is there a preferred directory for www files (e.g. /var/www, /usr/local/share/www/, some such) ? |
| 17:36.11 | jelly | xmj: also if you're building newer versions of stuff that's already in the distro, first look if someone's already built it in /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:36.11 | abrotman | defaults to /var/www/, but change that to whatevery you'd like |
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| 17:36.37 | xmj | jelly: i try not to, I just want to deploy some PHP app to production. heh. |
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| 17:37.04 | jelly | xmj: I use /var/www/virtual.host.fqdn/; FHS says to put stuff under /srv/... many ways to skin that cat |
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| 17:38.25 | jelly | I never use /var/www directly any more, because even if there's a single VirtualHost now, they have a tendency to multiply |
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| 17:41.40 | xmj | heh |
| 17:41.42 | xmj | true. |
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| 17:42.14 | xmj | jelly: normally i just separate everything into its own jail and have the host run reverseproxying nginx. but... |
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| 17:43.51 | jelly | xmj: oh, then you don't have to worry |
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| 17:44.46 | xmj | jelly: I don't. just a matter of not being used to debian much, these days :) |
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| 17:46.40 | bootstrappm | hey xmj could you post a link to learn about that jail + nginx setup? Not familiar with it |
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| 17:46.51 | bootstrappm | if its short you could just describe it as well |
| 17:46.56 | ebfull | recently updated the kernel on my friend's debian server, now nslookup randomly is very slow |
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| 17:47.44 | _0x53b_ | hi, do you know what this is: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/TEMP-0000000-FCAD67 ? |
| 17:47.51 | xmj | bootstrappm: there's dozens for it. just, you need to use FreeBSD. |
| 17:47.56 | xmj | which makes it offtopic here |
| 17:48.00 | ebfull | the first few packets sent to any IP address are incredibly slow |
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| 17:48.45 | bootstrappm | so does that mean I can't learn about it xmj....? I'm not sure what to google |
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| 17:50.00 | xmj | bootstrappm: it doesn't. FreeBSD Jail Nginx gives plenty enough good results :) |
| 17:50.10 | bootstrappm | thanks! |
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| 17:58.27 | scoofy | hi. what would be a regular way in debian based systems to reboot a frozen X / WM / DE from a shell cmd line? |
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| 17:59.38 | valdyn | scoofy: "/etc/init.d/*dm restart" |
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| 18:03.08 | scoofy | valdyn, thanks |
| 18:03.22 | damjan | ponky: sorry was afk a bit |
| 18:03.33 | ponky | damjan: i got it done |
| 18:03.34 | ponky | thanks :) |
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| 18:05.02 | sysadmin92 | anyone know if there have been changes recently to SSH-Server? i've got a new VM with Debian 7 that wont accept SFTP connections, but SSH works fine. literally just installed and had SSH Server enabled on the tasksel |
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| 18:06.54 | jelly | sysadmin92: did you use netinst or some other installer? |
| 18:07.04 | sysadmin92 | netinst |
| 18:07.26 | jelly | dunno, it ought to work |
| 18:07.37 | sysadmin92 | same thing a few weeks ago SFTP works fine... same setup. |
| 18:07.46 | jelly | grep -i sftp /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
| 18:08.00 | sysadmin92 | not at work at the moment. need to check tomorrow |
| 18:08.13 | jelly | see you then I guess |
| 18:08.16 | sysadmin92 | going to try an install later tonight on my home server |
| 18:08.17 | damjan | sysadmin92: what does "not accept sftp connections" mean? |
| 18:08.51 | sysadmin92 | WinSCP errored and said it only accepted FTP connections and not SFTP... but connecting via FTP is rejected |
| 18:09.16 | valdyn | sysadmin92: so you are trying ftp |
| 18:09.18 | damjan | it's probably some error on the WinSCP side |
| 18:09.28 | damjan | SFTP is not FTP over SSL |
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| 18:10.00 | sysadmin92 | WinSCP works with other machines |
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| 18:10.16 | sysadmin92 | will try my home system later tonight |
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| 18:10.33 | socomm | WinSCP? |
| 18:10.40 | socomm | Why not just use filezilla? |
| 18:10.49 | jelly | why not zoidberg? |
| 18:10.54 | xmj | laughs |
| 18:11.08 | sysadmin92 | why not anything else, i happened to have that one there |
| 18:11.20 | xmj | rsync! <3 |
| 18:11.32 | jelly | sysadmin92: use openssh's own sftp -vv username@host, see what it says |
| 18:11.34 | damjan | sysadmin92: I don't think people here use or trust any Win* tools |
| 18:11.40 | jelly | damjan: they do. |
| 18:11.50 | sysadmin92 | lol, |
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| 18:11.52 | damjan | jelly: :) |
| 18:12.01 | sysadmin92 | everything has it's place... |
| 18:12.08 | jelly | damjan: we're not zealots, and interoperation is important |
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| 18:12.30 | jhutchins | sysadmin92: Do regular ssh connections work? |
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| 18:12.39 | sysadmin92 | yes |
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| 18:12.55 | damjan | I agree about interoperation, it's just Win tools are not my first choice for checking if things work |
| 18:12.59 | sysadmin92 | putty works fine :) (waiting for rage from the anti windows people) |
| 18:13.09 | jhutchins | sysadmin92: Verify that the ftp subsystem is configured and loaded. |
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| 18:13.42 | jhutchins | sysadmin92: cygwin can be a real handy tool if you can get it. (Took hours to install here for some reason.) |
| 18:14.01 | Guest46234 | debian 8 - i live in stoneage. |
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| 18:25.58 | jelly | sysadmin92: perhaps putty's PSFTP can be made verbose enough to see what's happening |
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| 18:41.56 | g00se | apt can't find a package but i did install it. How do i get out of this mess? http://sprunge.us/LeZI |
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| 18:44.08 | damjan | g00se: dpkg -l *teamviewer* |
| 18:44.29 | RoyK | g00se: teamviewer isn't in the official repos :P |
| 18:44.34 | centrx | g00se, dpkg --purge teamviewer |
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| 18:45.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | THE PURGE! |
| 18:45.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | LOL |
| 18:45.29 | centrx | !moo |
| 18:45.29 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 18:45.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | .... |
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| 18:46.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | who you calling a Cow? |
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| 18:46.51 | g00se | damjan: http://sprunge.us/jDiZ |
| 18:46.57 | trysten | hahaha awesome. you guys know it's wrong to eat cows right? |
| 18:47.14 | g00se | RoyK: I'm aware of that ;) |
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| 18:47.37 | jelly | !tell Eryn_1983_FL about purge |
| 18:47.48 | CilanSupport | #flood |
| 18:47.49 | damjan | g00se: teamviewer:i386 I think |
| 18:47.54 | damjan | remove that |
| 18:48.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 18:48.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | trysten, except if they want it... ---> #debian-offtopic, though |
| 18:48.14 | damjan | g00se: you're on amd64 and the package is i386 |
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| 18:48.59 | CilanSupport | Hello, i'm trying to install debian wheezy on a usb stick. Anyone have some guidelines ? |
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| 18:49.19 | CilanSupport | i tried debootstrap |
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| 18:50.34 | g00se | centrx: Thanks. That worked |
| 18:50.41 | ToTheInternet | I am trying to update the FlashPlayer Plugin like so: sudo update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 18:50.42 | acz32 | is it possible to use minitube or smtube on debian stable? |
| 18:50.53 | joshua123 | hello |
| 18:50.55 | acz32 | both are in jessie and haven't been backported |
| 18:51.02 | petn-randall | ToTheInternet: Yes, but it's currently broken. |
| 18:51.29 | petn-randall | ToTheInternet: I'm looking into it later, so I can file a bug report (and maybe a fix). |
| 18:51.41 | xmj | hum |
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| 18:51.45 | ToTheInternet | petn-randall: oh ok. so i assume it hasn't been broken for long? |
| 18:51.51 | xmj | jelly: noob question: which user does apache2 run by as default? |
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| 18:51.56 | g00se | CilanSupport: you mean you want to put the _installer_ on a stick? If not, use a live image an put that on the stick |
| 18:51.56 | xmj | www? www-run? www-data? |
| 18:52.12 | petn-randall | ToTheInternet: It worked a few days ago, someone mentioned that it's broken in here a few hours ago. |
| 18:52.20 | jelly | xmj: www-data |
| 18:52.22 | xmj | thanks |
| 18:52.45 | ToTheInternet | petn-randall: get.adobe.com/flashplayer is down, thats the issue |
| 18:52.51 | CilanSupport | i can get "persistence" with a live-image |
| 18:52.51 | jelly | xmj: it's not the best default, since that same user can write to the default DocumentRoot, but there you have it |
| 18:52.54 | CilanSupport | ? |
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| 18:53.32 | xmj | jelly: "i just work here" |
| 18:53.35 | ToTheInternet | petn-randall: well, thats ONE issue, the most obvious one.. could very well have other causes obviously |
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| 18:54.18 | CilanSupport | g00se: can i get "persistence" with live-image? |
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| 18:54.32 | g00se | Yes. httpL//live.debian.net |
| 18:54.33 | xmj | waves |
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| 18:54.42 | g00se | Yes. http://live.debian.net |
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| 18:56.34 | SpeakerToMeat | Ok, hard question. |
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| 18:57.35 | SpeakerToMeat | I want to host a local partial repository mirror, for main, universe and security... but A) Must be partial, only a subset of packages that are used in all machines here (gonna get the list from one of the systems). B) will be hosted... in freebsd... so I can't rely on debian tools, at least no debian tools I can't port.... is there a specific tool you recommend? |
| 18:57.35 | CilanSupport | g00se: what are the mainly differences between rescue and standard? |
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| 19:00.22 | jelly | SpeakerToMeat: huh. I've no idea how many debian or linux specific deps "reprepro" has |
| 19:01.05 | CilanSupport | what are the differences between rescue and standard live ISOs? |
| 19:01.14 | jelly | SpeakerToMeat: you might try to kludge it away and set up a Debian GNU/kFreeBSD chroot/jail for the repo :-) |
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| 19:01.38 | SpeakerToMeat | jelly: I'm not sure reprepro will work for this: "For this it uses apt's methods from /usr/lib/apt/methods/ so everything (http, ftp, ...) that works with apt should also work with reprepro." |
| 19:01.54 | g00se | Rescue is for rescuing stuff |
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| 19:02.09 | g00se | What is your use case? |
| 19:02.18 | jelly | SpeakerToMeat: apt and dpkg are portable, had it running on solaris and decunix, a long ago |
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| 19:02.37 | SpeakerToMeat | hmmm |
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| 19:02.57 | jelly | perhaps something like apt-mirror might be simpler to make work |
| 19:03.02 | CilanSupport | g00se: i'm trying to restore a system to a fresh install point, using rsync or something like that |
| 19:03.08 | joshua321 | hi |
| 19:03.28 | joshua321 | how do you increase internet speed in linux? |
| 19:03.28 | SpeakerToMeat | yeah |
| 19:04.05 | CilanSupport | g00se: maybe the best for me is the lighter version-- |
| 19:04.09 | jelly | but there's at least 2-3 apt-mirror caches/proxies and each has its own issues |
| 19:04.27 | SpeakerToMeat | Yes... I think I'll devolve into tiasing them all |
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| 19:05.09 | sonno | While attempting to update my network controller driver with dpkg -i, I get a response of "conlicting packages -not installing" |
| 19:05.17 | g00se | So rescue could be fitting then |
| 19:05.36 | CilanSupport | My original problem is with OpenNebula, and i fail installing it multiple times, and it cannot be installed on vm because its a virt.System |
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| 19:06.26 | tomte | joshua321: change your ISP |
| 19:06.32 | sonno | I'm installing via rdp. any suggesttions? |
| 19:06.47 | sonno | well ssh, really |
| 19:07.13 | acz32 | are there security updates for debian testing now? i thought that was only a stable thing? deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
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| 19:08.25 | jelly | acz32: that's very temporary in preparation for the release of jessie |
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| 19:08.53 | jelly | acz32: once there's a switchover, next testing will lack the repo on security.d.o again |
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| 19:09.03 | jelly | probably |
| 19:09.06 | g00se | That's something i know nothing about |
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| 19:09.41 | jelly | is merely making an educated guess baced on past behaviour close to releases |
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| 19:11.02 | xreal | abrotman: Sorry, trouble about my new flat. |
| 19:11.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | sonno, you're supposed to use apt-get or aptitude, not dpkg... if you use dpkg -i, you have to do the job that apt usually does yourself, which is solving any dependency issues |
| 19:11.13 | xreal | abrotman: console.txt is just a placeholder, but I know what you mean. |
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| 19:12.11 | mreverywhere | i seem to be having the exact oposite problem from most people with touch screen vs mouse input. my touchscreen works perfectly while my touchpad does not do anything. my touchpad is mouse0 while my touchscreen is mouse1. is there a way to disable the touch screen and make the touchpad the default? |
| 19:12.12 | abrotman | xreal: they're going to want ot see the contents |
| 19:12.24 | sonno | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't have internet access. |
| 19:12.57 | axel_fly | hello @ all |
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| 19:13.44 | SpeakerToMeat | jelly: do you know if ftpsync can create partial mirrors? (only named package lists will be fetched) seems it cant |
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| 19:14.34 | xreal | abrotman: okay... |
| 19:14.38 | xreal | abrotman: Shall I split the report? |
| 19:15.00 | abrotman | no |
| 19:15.01 | abrotman | append it |
| 19:15.02 | jelly | SpeakerToMeat: I only know one can include or omit specific architectures |
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| 19:15.39 | xreal | abrotman: I mean, one for console-setup and one for console-data, since these are totally different packages. |
| 19:15.51 | xreal | abrotman: console-data is pretty old, console-setup is installer's core. |
| 19:16.09 | abrotman | whichever the bug is related to .. |
| 19:16.47 | xreal | abrotman: both :) |
| 19:17.12 | xreal | abrotman: both have equal problems with non-reading all the settings from debconf-db |
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| 19:17.22 | xreal | abrotman: maybe splitting and referencing is better? |
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| 19:18.11 | abrotman | no, just choose one for now |
| 19:18.33 | xreal | okay, I'll do it in 75-95 minutes |
| 19:18.39 | mreverywhere | is there a way to pick between different mouse inputs? |
| 19:19.02 | flaxo | i could need some help with setting up nginx+php on jessie... i read all i could find about the issus concerning php5-fpm but can't seem to figure out what to do... |
| 19:19.04 | jelly | abrotman: if he wants it fixed for jessie, might it make sense to clone it himself and file separate patches? |
| 19:19.20 | abrotman | I believe his original issue was with Jessie |
| 19:20.02 | xreal | abrotman: Jessie and Wheezy, both have the problem. |
| 19:20.15 | xreal | I think, this wasn't for me? :) |
| 19:20.25 | flaxo | everyone loves regressions :) |
| 19:21.33 | flaxo | so any hints for my tiny problem... i is said to be fixed in version 1.6.2-3 |
| 19:22.05 | flaxo | but i have 1.6.2-5 and can't get it to work |
| 19:22.44 | flaxo | part of the problem is it is my first shot at nginx so i have no clue where to start... |
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| 19:22.52 | flaxo | any takers.? |
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| 19:23.26 | abrotman | xreal: I'd do it for Jessie |
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| 19:26.32 | vedant | Hi. This is regarding Java on jessie. From what I can see, jessie will be released with Java 7 and will most likely stay on Java 7 for its lifetime. However, openjdk-7 is almost at its EOL and will no longer be supported by upstream after April 2015, which means that openjdk-7 will only be supported by the debian security team for almost all of the lifetime of jessi. Wouldn't it be better to use openjdk-8 in jessie instead? |
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| 19:27.26 | axel_fly | ..... java .... |
| 19:27.36 | axel_fly | :) |
| 19:28.08 | tremon | vedant: openjdk-8 should have been in jessie before November for that to have happened. There's no point in arguing what would've been better at this point |
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| 19:29.29 | vedant | I'm just surprised that jessie will be released with a mostly outdated version of Java |
| 19:29.51 | centrx | vedant, I can't seem to find a discussion/bug about it |
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| 19:29.57 | centrx | vedant, You might try asking in #debian-security on irc.oftc.net |
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| 19:34.54 | vedant | centrx: I found this bug report https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=760984 , if that helps |
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| 19:35.32 | joshua321 | there's a program to make the internet faster right? |
| 19:35.53 | flaxo | :) |
| 19:35.53 | centrx | yeah I think it's called PHP |
| 19:36.07 | Vroomfondel | no, that's the one that makes the internet less secure |
| 19:36.13 | bootstrappm | ^ hahahaha |
| 19:36.17 | centrx | vedant, okay yeah, so no openjdk-8 in next stable |
| 19:36.35 | centrx | vedant, Sounds like they decided the maintenance cost was acceptable given the circumstances |
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| 19:36.48 | jhutchins | ,v openjdk |
| 19:36.49 | judd | No package named 'openjdk' was found in i386. |
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| 19:37.51 | towo` | openjdk-7-jdk |
| 19:37.53 | flaxo | so anyone for my nginx problems? or do i have to wait for number nine? |
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| 19:40.16 | jelly | flaxo: did you try asking in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net ? |
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| 19:41.07 | flaxo | jelly: thanx for the pointer |
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| 19:41.42 | jelly | flaxo: and mail the relevant bug if you can reproduce the exact same symptoms where it's supposed to be fixed |
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| 19:43.01 | joshua321 | so is there any program to make theinternet faster? |
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| 19:43.28 | flaxo | i do not have a bug... i am trying to apply the bug fix that should be in my version of nginx |
| 19:43.43 | centrx | joshua321, You can get your browser to pre-load links on a page so it acts faster |
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| 19:44.05 | joshua321 | aha |
| 19:44.53 | joshua321 | burt on windos i had a program taht made my internet faster and the preloaded links werent working, |
| 19:45.58 | g00se | Was that by the same software vendor that makes the app that resurrects the dead? |
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| 19:46.35 | joshua321 | the problem is that i have very slow connection lie 5 kb because i'm live deep in country so i have 3g |
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| 19:46.49 | joshua321 | and i need a program to make it faster |
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| 19:49.00 | centrx | joshua321, ok in that circumstance pre-loading may not have any effect or could even make it slower |
| 19:49.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | sonno, there are a couple of solutions for that... you can e.g. /msg dpkg apt-offline |
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| 19:49.57 | centrx | joshua321, one idea is get Adblock or uBlock to block ads, which take up bandwidth |
| 19:50.17 | centrx | joshua321, remove/disable flash |
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| 19:52.03 | joshua321 | burt this wont make it faster when i download something |
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| 19:53.03 | mtn | joshua321: nothing will make your internet connection faster than it is |
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| 19:53.26 | sysadmin92 | paying more to your ISP might |
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| 19:53.51 | mtn | yup, that might do it ;) |
| 19:54.03 | joshua321 | but on windows i could do it |
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| 19:54.12 | valdyn | joshua321: no |
| 19:54.20 | joshua321 | i have the internet thru my phone |
| 19:54.35 | joshua321 | and that's the only way becaue here i can get only broadband |
| 19:54.59 | sysadmin92 | maybe upgrade 4g :) supposed to be good |
| 19:55.09 | joshua321 | i dont have 4g nework round my place |
| 19:55.15 | sysadmin92 | where is this? |
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| 19:55.46 | joshua321 | deep country, nearest city 45 miles |
| 19:55.52 | centrx | you could get satellite |
| 19:56.18 | sysadmin92 | deep russia is different than deep brazil is different than deep uk/usa |
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| 20:11.12 | polishprogrammer | hi |
| 20:11.39 | polishprogrammer | is there any good console web browser |
| 20:11.42 | polishprogrammer | ? |
| 20:11.47 | paultag | elinks |
| 20:12.02 | polishprogrammer | is this in repos? |
| 20:12.29 | paultag | [tag@cassiel:~][â 03:11 PM] ⥠apt-cache show elinks | grep "^Description" |
| 20:12.29 | paultag | Description-en: advanced text-mode WWW browser |
| 20:12.57 | polishprogrammer | thanks |
| 20:13.05 | paultag | sure |
| 20:14.36 | polishprogrammer | yay |
| 20:14.38 | polishprogrammer | eta 4min |
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| 20:20.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys is facebook having issues again |
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| 20:21.25 | jelly | Eryn_1983_FL: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ might be of use |
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| 20:21.57 | polishprogrammer | ping facebook.com might give the answer |
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| 20:22.35 | jelly | ping does not poll the correct service |
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| 20:23.06 | teraflops | istiup.org or something like that |
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| 20:23.23 | polishprogrammer | well i think that if something cant be reached at ping port it most likely cant be at HTTP too |
| 20:23.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmm |
| 20:23.32 | ompaul | gets a sense of deja vous |
| 20:23.33 | teraflops | polishprogrammer: nop |
| 20:23.39 | polishprogrammer | ? |
| 20:23.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://downrightnow.com/facebook |
| 20:24.14 | polishprogrammer | am i missing sth? |
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| 20:24.40 | teraflops | imagine facebook is up just showing: we apologice our services are down |
| 20:24.49 | teraflops | so facebook is down |
| 20:24.54 | polishprogrammer | ah |
| 20:24.56 | polishprogrammer | yeah |
| 20:24.57 | ompaul | I got their log in page and I don't have an account :) |
| 20:25.10 | polishprogrammer | backup serverr showing apologise |
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| 20:25.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 20:26.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmmm |
| 20:27.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | it is slow for me on bright house orlando |
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| 20:27.12 | acz32 | is there a way to browse youtube without going to youtube.com |
| 20:27.44 | jelly | acz32: why would you need that? |
| 20:27.50 | centrx | acz32, minitube |
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| 20:28.04 | acz32 | minitube doesn't work on debian stable |
| 20:28.10 | JordiGH | I don't get it, how can a package in wheezy-backports have an unstable-only dependency? |
| 20:28.15 | JordiGH | (node-glob) |
| 20:28.22 | acz32 | jelly: it's an annoying site and would like to watch without flash |
| 20:28.23 | centrx | acz32, xbmc maybe? |
| 20:28.36 | paultag | JordiGH: they might have forgot to backport it? |
| 20:28.39 | paultag | JordiGH: file a bug. |
| 20:28.47 | centrx | acz32, You can download videos with youtube-dl, (but not browse) |
| 20:28.51 | JordiGH | paultag: But how does this even get through ftpmasters? |
| 20:28.54 | jelly | acz32: they did switch to HTML5 by default, recently |
| 20:28.58 | JordiGH | Isn't that like, an automatic check? |
| 20:29.01 | jelly | ,v smtube |
| 20:29.03 | judd | Package: smtube on i386 -- sid: 14.8.0-1; jessie: 14.8.0-1 |
| 20:29.03 | centrx | acz32, oh sorry, that's not in stable either I guess |
| 20:29.10 | paultag | JordiGH: as a member of teamteam, backports *isn't* run by ftpmaster |
| 20:29.13 | paultag | ftpteam* |
| 20:29.20 | paultag | JordiGH: it's run by the backports team |
| 20:29.23 | teraflops | html5 sucks too almost for videos |
| 20:29.24 | paultag | they process the queue not us |
| 20:29.27 | paultag | and we *do* check for that |
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| 20:29.44 | paultag | but it's manual, since sometimes there's other stuff in the queue |
| 20:29.46 | wfq | hi guys |
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| 20:29.57 | JordiGH | paultag: It's probably less waiting time for me to do my own backporting than to wait for the bug to be addressed. |
| 20:30.02 | JordiGH | (if you wanna get somethign done...) |
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| 20:30.10 | paultag | JordiGH: why don't you file a bug so you help other people |
| 20:30.10 | polishprogrammer | since flash's broken, html5 is quite good. just need to have new browser |
| 20:30.14 | acz32 | vlc has a youtube.lua script that can play some youtube links but it fails half the time |
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| 20:30.34 | teraflops | acz32: theres something called smtube may be that is what youre looking for |
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| 20:30.49 | paultag | JordiGH: or upload your backport, either way. |
| 20:30.51 | JordiGH | paultag: Wait, further complication: it's freeze time, so wheezy-backports is forever forgotten, because experimental is now de facto unstable, right? |
| 20:30.55 | wfq | is there anyway to blacklist a machine that has been tried to ssh your server for a while? I mean I have got a firewall but I wonder whether I can add one more security layer so that anyone trying to ssh me for sometime automatically gets blacklisted |
| 20:30.57 | acz32 | teraflops: smtube isn't in debian stable |
| 20:31.09 | acz32 | i'm trying not to add jessie repos, but might |
| 20:31.12 | teraflops | acz32: is in python acz32 |
| 20:31.15 | paultag | JordiGH: it's not forgotten, I just backported something |
| 20:31.24 | jelly | JordiGH: maybe get to #debian-backports and see if you can help with the process? |
| 20:31.26 | acz32 | teraflops: python? what do you mean |
| 20:31.28 | centrx | acz32, try cclive |
| 20:31.33 | polishprogrammer | why would you ever want to avoid youtube.com? is it banned at your workplace? |
| 20:31.34 | teraflops | acz32: nah |
| 20:31.40 | JordiGH | paultag: Doesn't it have to sit in testing for a long time, and nothing moves to testing during the freeze, and package managers start uploading into experimental instead? |
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| 20:32.19 | paultag | JordiGH: no, it just has to be in testing, but I don't know that anyone really minds. Ask the backports team. |
| 20:32.32 | acz32 | centrx: cclive is a youtube downloader. i can use youtube-dl for that. was hoping to just watch without havign to download the video first |
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| 20:33.06 | acz32 | polishprogrammer: doesn't matter if you don't understand why. that's irrelevant |
| 20:33.11 | JordiGH | paultag: So don't I have to first convince the release team to move it from unstable to testing and then wait and then convince the backports people to move it from testing to backports? |
| 20:33.12 | teraflops | acz32: hey yt-dl is not in stable! |
| 20:33.15 | polishprogrammer | acz32: whatever |
| 20:33.24 | polishprogrammer | acz32: just curious |
| 20:33.35 | paultag | JordiGH: backports team doens't move anything? Developers upload to backports-master -- wait, aren't you or weren't you a DD? |
| 20:33.43 | acz32 | teraflops: it's just a script you can use. i don't get it from any repo. |
| 20:33.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok question what ip are you getting for facebook.com |
| 20:33.55 | paultag | http://backports.debian.org/Contribute/ |
| 20:33.59 | JordiGH | paultag: So the requirement for the backport to be in unstable is not a hard requirement? |
| 20:34.04 | teraflops | acz32: as smtube is ... |
| 20:34.06 | paultag | JordiGH: you mean testing? |
| 20:34.06 | JordiGH | Er, to be in testing? |
| 20:34.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 20:34.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | Name:facebook.com |
| 20:34.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | Address: 173.252.120.6 |
| 20:34.19 | paultag | JordiGH: I don't know, I'd ask backports. I think they might be lax on that |
| 20:34.29 | paultag | I think they just hate upgrade issues |
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| 20:34.37 | paultag | and if that's not a concern, it should be fine |
| 20:34.41 | DelphiWorld | hi all |
| 20:34.52 | DelphiWorld | if using wpa2-psk do i need any wpasomething packageN |
| 20:34.57 | DelphiWorld | package* |
| 20:35.34 | jelly | DelphiWorld: the usual wpasupplicant |
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| 20:35.53 | JordiGH | paultag: "To guarantee an upgrade path from stable+backports to the next stable, the package should be in testing.. Of course there are some exceptions: Security updates. If your package had a security update you can upload a new backport even if its not yet in testing. There are also some other exception for packages like the kernel, xorg or oo.org." |
| 20:35.54 | DelphiWorld | jelly: btw my home debian is up:P |
| 20:36.06 | jelly | DelphiWorld: that's good, I gather? |
| 20:36.08 | JordiGH | paultag: I don't think they'll deem node-glob is critical enough to fix this. |
| 20:36.10 | paultag | sounds good |
| 20:36.13 | paultag | who knows |
| 20:36.14 | paultag | ask |
| 20:36.16 | paultag | what's the harm |
| 20:36.27 | DelphiWorld | jelly: lol |
| 20:36.29 | JordiGH | lol |
| 20:36.32 | JordiGH | Okay, so... find the mailing list... |
| 20:36.37 | JordiGH | Or IRC channel... |
| 20:36.42 | paultag | http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 20:36.42 | JordiGH | Send a request... |
| 20:36.42 | jelly | I'm just a user and ask stupid things in #d-backports all the time! |
| 20:36.44 | JordiGH | wait... |
| 20:36.49 | JordiGH | Argue with people... |
| 20:36.52 | paultag | sigh |
| 20:36.53 | JordiGH | probably get turned down... |
| 20:37.01 | paultag | if you're going to whine about it |
| 20:37.05 | JordiGH | The harm: time lost and nothing done. |
| 20:37.15 | paultag | that's always a concern |
| 20:37.16 | jelly | JordiGH: no whining in user support please. |
| 20:37.23 | paultag | but the upside is you help people |
| 20:37.32 | paultag | if you don't want to make that tradeoff, I don't know why we're here |
| 20:37.34 | DelphiWorld | thank jelly |
| 20:37.36 | JordiGH | Too much bureaucracy to help other people. |
| 20:37.39 | paultag | hah |
| 20:37.42 | JordiGH | Yeah, whatever, I'll do the backport for myself. |
| 20:37.57 | paultag | to our glorious technocratic future! |
| 20:38.01 | DelphiWorld | jelly: stupid question, gdm3 is a x11 manager? |
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| 20:38.16 | jelly | DelphiWorld: yes, that's the (default) display manager |
| 20:39.04 | DelphiWorld | jelly: if i do gdm3, do that mean i'm runing gnome? |
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| 20:39.16 | ompaul | no, but most likely you are |
| 20:39.16 | DelphiWorld | jelly: sory but i never rund a linux desk due to accessibility you know |
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| 20:39.41 | DelphiWorld | ompaul: ok, so if i do lxde do i need gdm3? |
| 20:39.56 | acz32 | teraflops: smtube is just a script? it requires smplayer and a has a gui and all. it doesn't download the video like youtube-dl does, it just plays it |
| 20:39.58 | ompaul | most likely you want a $dm |
| 20:40.08 | jelly | DelphiWorld: no, but I guess gdm3 will default to the gnome session. There's a menu at login time where all the installed desktop environments and window managers can be picked |
| 20:40.29 | ompaul | DelphiWorld: what he said |
| 20:40.29 | DelphiWorld | jelly: thank dude |
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| 20:40.43 | DelphiWorld | ompaul: ;) |
| 20:41.15 | jelly | DelphiWorld: fuck if I know whether your reader can deal with GTK3 menus at gdm time and let you choose lxde :-( |
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| 20:41.40 | DelphiWorld | lol |
| 20:41.52 | polishprogrammer | do you know the package name for "network tools"? |
| 20:42.05 | jelly | polishprogrammer: what kinds of network tools? |
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| 20:43.25 | polishprogrammer | i dont know. there was a "Network tools" menu item that ran a program showing window with tabs like "Whois" "ping" "port scan" etc. |
| 20:43.42 | polishprogrammer | i was always running it from there |
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| 20:44.06 | jelly | oh, old Debian menu |
| 20:44.27 | jelly | I have no idea where to find that |
| 20:45.25 | acz32 | debian menu is a script |
| 20:45.46 | acz32 | it just checks for certain tools and categorizes them |
| 20:45.59 | acz32 | if it's the one i'm thinking about |
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| 20:48.03 | teraflops | acz32: ho sorry my bad i meant _mps-youtube_ my apologies |
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| 20:49.38 | acz32 | teraflops: thanks. this program sounds very cool |
| 20:49.52 | teraflops | acz32: it is i use on the rpis |
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| 20:55.21 | zabobo | hi, I tried to upgrade from stable to testing, but I'm stuck with an aptitude error and a broken package. Can anyone help me troubleshoot? here is the paste: http://pastebin.com/jRaCCV3Y |
| 20:55.56 | zabobo | essentially, the ramlog package is broken and blocking the upgrade, but I cannot find a way to fix it |
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| 20:57.51 | ponderism | zabobo: if I was working on your problem - i'd first see if lsof was installed ? |
| 20:58.02 | zabobo | it is not |
| 20:58.11 | zabobo | "command not found: lsof" |
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| 21:04.57 | robalni | zabobo: I think you should install lsof and try again. |
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| 21:05.59 | zabobo | robalni: it fails. "E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the ramlog package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package." |
| 21:06.33 | mreverywhere | anybody know of a way to disable a touchscreen and use my touchpad as my only mouse? cirrently my touchpad does not do anything when i try to use it but my touchscreen works perfectly |
| 21:07.15 | zabobo | so if I understand correctly, I need to uninstall ramlog to do the upgrade. Uninstalling ramlog requires the lsof package. Installing lsof requires ramlog. ? |
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| 21:07.30 | abrotman | mreverywhere: check the BIOS |
| 21:08.27 | mreverywhere | abrotman i dont see how that would help |
| 21:08.41 | abrotman | also, your question isn't clear |
| 21:08.56 | abrotman | you could probably blacklist the driver |
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| 21:11.46 | tremon | zabobo: where did the ramlog package come from? |
| 21:11.50 | mreverywhere | abrotman i have attempted disabling the touchscreen and ensureing the touchpad is enabled in xinput and all that did was disable the touchscreen untill i re enabled it. i have tried the fn key to enable and disable the touchpad and it did nothing as well |
| 21:11.52 | zorg24 | If I have a USB installer for debian (I used the live one) where can I put an extra .deb so that I'll have proper wifi drivers. If it matters its firmware-iwlwifi.deb |
| 21:12.40 | zabobo | tremon: from the debian variant I installed I guess (for a raspberrypi like micro-computer) |
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| 21:13.42 | tremon | zabobo: file a bug there. If ramlog requires lsof, it needs to depend on it |
| 21:13.45 | mtn | zorg24: you can get an install image with the firmware, too: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
| 21:13.48 | abrotman | mreverywhere: right, blacklist the kernel module? |
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| 21:14.05 | zorg24 | thanks mtn |
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| 21:14.13 | mtn | zorg24: welcome |
| 21:14.32 | dopesmoker | yes! i can boot a debian installation in USB without using a live cd? and then updating for the full packs version? |
| 21:15.01 | zorg24 | mtn can you confirm that is probably what I want http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/bt-cd/firmware-7.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 21:15.01 | zabobo | tremon: apt already knows it depends on lsof ("Depends: awk | gawk | mawk, coreutils, e2fsprogs, grep, lsof, rsync, util-linux") |
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| 21:15.27 | mtn | dopesmoker: yes, it is called a netinstall, available on the debian webpage |
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| 21:15.50 | mtn | zorg24: yes, if you want/need the 64 bit version and want a torrent |
| 21:16.09 | zorg24 | k thanks |
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| 21:16.22 | tremon | zabobo: then how did lsof get removed? can you reinstall it? what happens if you run apt-get install -f? |
| 21:17.43 | dopesmoker | mtn: but i can boot a USB drive without any OS, direct from the bios? |
| 21:17.54 | zabobo | tremon: I don't really know how it got removed, maybe I made a mistake when trying to upgrade from wheezy to jessie. I'll see what I can do to reinstall it |
| 21:18.24 | mtn | dopesmoker: using a usb installer does not require an os on the computer, if that is what you mean |
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| 21:18.58 | zabobo | tremon: I still get the error whith install -f : "E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the ramlog package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package." |
| 21:19.04 | ponderism | zabobo: you kinda like the ride rather then getting to the destination ? |
| 21:19.18 | zabobo | ponderism: yeah |
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| 21:19.43 | zabobo | i backed up the system prior to trying the upgrade |
| 21:19.54 | dopesmoker | mtn: thanks for the info! |
| 21:20.21 | mtn | dopesmoker: more info: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 21:20.25 | tremon | zabobo: what's the output of apt-cache policy ramlog? |
| 21:20.33 | ponky | why does my machine refuse to boot if theres any changes made to fstab? |
| 21:20.41 | ponky | it always boots once after changes made, then nada |
| 21:20.56 | tremon | ponky: "any" change, or a specific (set of) change? |
| 21:21.01 | ponky | tremon: any |
| 21:21.06 | zabobo | tremon: http://pastebin.com/ZXPTLfu6 |
| 21:21.28 | zabobo | tremon: but aptitude mark it whith the flag Broken |
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| 21:22.38 | tremon | zabobo: buh. If you cannot track down where the ramlog package came from, you can try removing (or fixing) /var/lib/dpkg/info/ramlog.postrm |
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| 21:24.42 | tremon | that should at least allow dpkg to remove it without giving an error, but the "no files known for package ramlog" also means that removing the package may still leave its files on the system |
| 21:25.09 | sander^home | Can anyone explain the ghost vulnerability. why named is vulnerable? |
| 21:26.11 | mtn | sander^home: google? |
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| 21:29.11 | valdyn | sander^home: read the cve, its "vulnerable", but that does not seem to be a real issue to me |
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| 21:33.51 | jhutchins | sander^home: What have you read about it so far? |
| 21:34.22 | zabobo | woush, I managed to solve my problem by re-installing ramlog with a .deb and dpkg, thanks for the help. |
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| 21:37.04 | jhutchins | sander^home: https://community.qualys.com/blogs/laws-of-vulnerabilities/2015/01/27/the-ghost-vulnerability |
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| 21:37.22 | DelphiWorld | guys |
| 21:37.28 | DelphiWorld | my rtl wifi nic is making me mad |
| 21:37.32 | DelphiWorld | slow slow slow slow wireless |
| 21:37.40 | DelphiWorld | ping from 30 to 50% |
| 21:37.49 | jhutchins | sander^home: I believe it keeping up with package updates and only blocking them if there's a known bug. |
| 21:38.05 | jhutchins | DelphiWorld: 30 to 50% what? |
| 21:38.19 | DelphiWorld | sucsess |
| 21:38.48 | jhutchins | DelphiWorld: So you mean 50%-70% packet loss? |
| 21:38.49 | DelphiWorld | mine is RTL8191SEvA Wireless LAN Controller |
| 21:39.00 | jhutchins | DelphiWorld: Or you don't get a respons half the time? |
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| 21:39.17 | DelphiWorld | jhutchins: 50 to 70% packet loss |
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| 21:39.37 | jhutchins | DelphiWorld: Are you showing transmit/receive errors? Are you ping a local system or something across the internet? |
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| 21:40.17 | DelphiWorld | jhutchins: local... just ping loss, can't ssh maybe 1/10 work |
| 21:40.44 | tremon | ponky: that seems weird. I wouldn't trust that system at all. Probably reinstall if you can't figure out what's causing it |
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| 21:41.29 | DelphiWorld | bitrate is 72mb even my router is 150N |
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| 21:43.24 | jhutchins | DelphiWorld: Are you using NetworkManager? |
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| 21:43.40 | DelphiWorld | nop |
| 21:43.55 | jhutchins | DelphiWorld: How are you configuring it then? |
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| 21:48.41 | DelphiWorld | jhutchins: network/interfaces file |
| 21:48.50 | Cpuroast | quick question |
| 21:48.50 | DelphiWorld | using wpasupliqen |
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| 21:49.19 | Cpuroast | how easy is it to move to debian 8 stable from testing, once jessie ships? |
| 21:50.01 | jhutchins | Cpuroast: You'll alread be there if you keep up-to-date |
| 21:50.15 | Cpuroast | sure |
| 21:50.23 | Cpuroast | but wouldn't testing keep going? |
| 21:50.23 | pstn | I have one Network Interface with the address 192.168.1.5 for eth0 and 192.168.1.6 for eth0:0. I want to route all packages from 192.168.1.5 to 192.168.1.1 and all from 192.168.1.6 to 192.168.1.2. How can I achieve this? |
| 21:50.27 | Cpuroast | after it's unfrozen |
| 21:50.43 | Cpuroast | and become debian what will become debian 9? |
| 21:50.46 | DelphiWorld | is VoIp to kill pstn in the futur! :P |
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| 21:51.50 | Cpuroast | jhutchins: testing is tracking what will become debian 8, after that testing keeps going and tracks what will become debian 9 |
| 21:51.54 | Cpuroast | and so on and so forth |
| 21:51.58 | Cpuroast | as far as I know |
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| 21:52.25 | genjix | hey ho |
| 21:52.38 | DelphiWorld | jhutchins: for example: wpa-ssid 4Cell |
| 21:52.46 | genjix | what are all these 8 CDs for? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 21:52.51 | tremon | Cpuroast: downgrades are not supported. If you track testing after jessie has become stable, you need a reinstall to reliable go back to stable |
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| 21:53.05 | tremon | s/reliable/reliably/ |
| 21:53.08 | genjix | do I get every debian package if i download them all? |
| 21:53.30 | centrx | basically yes |
| 21:53.32 | tremon | genjix: 8 cd's? no that doesn't sound right |
| 21:53.35 | Cpuroast | tremon: I understand that, but isn't there a point when deb 8 ships, that you can hop to the stable boat? |
| 21:53.40 | centrx | You don't need them all |
| 21:53.46 | jhutchins | genjix: 30,000 packages with internationalization and various architectures. |
| 21:53.49 | Cpuroast | since testing will equal debian 8 |
| 21:53.58 | centrx | genjix, You only need 1, and you only really need a subset of that, which is available in the netinstall |
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| 21:54.10 | tremon | Cpuroast: if you want that to happen, you need to be tracking "jessie" now, not "testing". |
| 21:54.19 | Cpuroast | oh ok |
| 21:54.35 | jhutchins | Cpuroast: If you use "jessie" in your sources list, not "testing", then when it's released there will be some minor cosmetic updates but the software will stay the same. |
| 21:54.36 | Olof_szary | hello. I am running jessie. Tried to play sth on youtube but i got message that i need new flashplayer. I've checked apt and there is no update. Any clue? |
| 21:54.36 | centrx | 'testing' will keep you on the wild waters |
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| 21:54.44 | Cpuroast | I see |
| 21:54.48 | genjix | jhutchins, fantastic. |
| 21:55.02 | genjix | jhutchins, i'm thinking to create a mirror using apt-mirror |
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| 21:55.27 | genjix | will these cds have all the packages like kdenlive and stuff? or is it just the main system packages? |
| 21:55.53 | genjix | jhutchins, i want to take them and do a mass install for village kids of linux + multimedia tools |
| 21:55.59 | genjix | (no internet) |
| 21:56.08 | genjix | so i need blender, kdenlive, gimp, inkscape .etc |
| 21:56.32 | genjix | my other option is to mirror the entire debian repos to an external hd and setup a server |
| 21:57.14 | jhutchins | Olof_szary: Which package do you have? |
| 21:58.01 | centrx | genjix, I think the CDs collectively contain all Debian packages in main |
| 21:58.04 | jhutchins | !blend |
| 21:58.04 | dpkg | A Debian Pure Blend (formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends http://blends.debian.org/ #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:58.38 | Olof_szary | jhutchins: flashplayer-mozilla 3:11.2.202.438-dmo2 |
| 21:59.05 | jhutchins | ,v flashplayer-mozilla |
| 21:59.06 | judd | Package: flashplayer-mozilla on i386 -- jessie-multimedia/non-free: 3:11.2.202.438-dmo2; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 3:11.2.202.440-dmo1; wheezy-multimedia/non-free: 3:11.2.202.440-dmo2; sid-multimedia/non-free: 3:11.2.202.440-dmo2 |
| 21:59.14 | tremon | genjix: see the ../list-cd directory to verify which packages are on which discs |
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| 22:00.31 | jhutchins | Olof_szary: 11.2 is current from Adobe. |
| 22:00.43 | tremon | wonders why the list-cd directory numbers CDs 1-68 while iso-cd only had CDs 1-8 |
| 22:01.03 | Olof_szary | jhutchins: is it possible that my current mirror is just outdated + is it good practice to add another mirror to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 22:02.43 | acz32 | what's the argument against apt-pinning certain packages from testing? |
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| 22:03.02 | jhutchins | Olof_szary: Possible but not too likely, compare your current version with the above. |
| 22:03.22 | Olof_szary | i have 3:11.2.202.438-dmo2 |
| 22:03.38 | Olof_szary | and you current seems to be 440 |
| 22:03.43 | tremon | acz32: unsupported configuration, untested combination, unhelpful responses from this channel :) |
| 22:03.59 | towo` | dmo is not needed for flash |
| 22:04.32 | towo` | and flashplugin-nonfree from debian repo installs the recent version of flash |
| 22:04.44 | towo` | so we see, dmo is crap³ |
| 22:05.09 | acz32 | tremon: that answer makes it sounds like it's better to just upgrade the entire system to testing |
| 22:05.20 | genjix | tremon, and centrx thanks |
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| 22:07.28 | tremon | acz32: it is, in many cases. If you can live with the occasional breakage and lack of speedy security updates |
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| 22:07.56 | tremon | acz32: the supported way of running testing packages on stable is to use -backports, or do a manual backport (i.e. package recompile) |
| 22:08.15 | acz32 | tremon: testing has a security repo now: http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main non-free contrib |
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| 22:08.27 | tremon | acz32: it does, but it's empty |
| 22:08.36 | tremon | (at least it was last time I checked) |
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| 22:10.06 | acz32 | i wish they would backport thunar. my version doesn't even do tabs even though upstream has for years |
| 22:10.16 | tremon | acz32: see http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-amd64/ -- the packages,gz file is 20 bytes |
| 22:10.44 | tremon | acz32: which happens to be the exact size gzipping /dev/null will give you... |
| 22:10.54 | acz32 | tremon: interesting |
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| 22:11.29 | tremon | ,check-backport thunar |
| 22:11.40 | judd | Backporting package thunar in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libexo-1-dev (>= 0.10.0), libxfce4util-dev (>= 4.10.0), libxfce4ui-1-dev (>= 4.10.0), xfce4-panel-dev (>= 4.10.0). |
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| 22:12.28 | cafuego | doesn't mean it won't happily build against older versions of those, though. |
| 22:13.09 | tremon | ah yes, that's true. It would require manual fiddling with debian/control to make that happen I guess |
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| 22:13.23 | tremon | ,v thunar |
| 22:13.24 | judd | Package: thunar on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.2-1+b2; wheezy: 1.2.3-4+b1; jessie: 1.6.3-2; sid: 1.6.3-2 |
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| 22:14.10 | tremon | acz32: which thunar version do you want? If you're looking for the version currently in jessie, you might just upgrade now, as it's in deep freeze and will probably be released in a few months |
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| 22:14.18 | cafuego | tremon: yep |
| 22:15.04 | acz32 | tremon: yes, the version in jessie |
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| 22:15.16 | acz32 | by upgrade you mean apt-pin it? |
| 22:15.24 | acz32 | i don't want to upgrade the entire system to jessie |
| 22:15.31 | tremon | no I meant perform a full dist-upgrade |
| 22:15.39 | cafuego | acz32: I'd try a manual backport of the jessie version then |
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| 22:15.53 | tremon | !tell acz32 about ssb |
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| 22:16.05 | tremon | !tell acz32 about wheezy->jessie |
| 22:16.48 | tremon | acz32: dpkg has given you two (very terse) alternatives. Trying the backport first may be easier |
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| 22:17.38 | cafuego | just keep in mind that if you run that backport, and upstream releases a security fix, you won't get that fix automagically. |
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| 22:23.28 | acz32 | tremon: not worth it for one package. i'll wait for debian 8 |
| 22:23.47 | DelphiWorld | what the diference bethwan using cdn.debian.net and a specific mirror like de.debian.org? |
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| 22:25.19 | tremon | cdn is a (geo?)dns round-robin address, so it will point you to one of many mirrors |
| 22:25.37 | tremon | but http.debian.net is a better alternative than cdn nowadays |
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| 22:25.56 | DelphiWorld | i thought using http.debian.net kick debian people bandwidth |
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| 22:26.52 | tremon | not that I know. I think you're confused with ftp.debian.org, which is the primary distribution mirror |
| 22:27.20 | tremon | (and shouldn't be used by users directly) |
| 22:27.42 | DelphiWorld | tremon: yep... |
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| 22:32.17 | jhutchins | !sources.list |
| 22:32.18 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 22:33.23 | jhutchins | I believe those addresses round-robin these days, and the http.<CC>.debian.net ones do within the country/region. |
| 22:33.33 | DelphiWorld | good |
| 22:33.42 | jhutchins | I may be wrong about that, I don't have an authoratative source. |
| 22:33.53 | DelphiWorld | HEHE |
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| 22:34.46 | DelphiWorld | should marry debian |
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| 22:36.03 | hutab | Hey, someone know how i can teach bitlbee to communicate with twitter? Im getting "SSL is required" all the time... |
| 22:36.17 | ponderism | so install openssl? |
| 22:36.20 | hutab | wheezy |
| 22:36.27 | hutab | it is |
| 22:36.56 | ponderism | ssl is required ... doesn't sound like it can find it? |
| 22:37.10 | ponderism | do ldd on what ever binary is asking for the ssl |
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| 22:37.43 | hutab | hmm, http://wiki.bitlbee.org/FAQ#twitter_-_Login_error:_Could_not_retrieve_.2Ffriends.2Fids.xml:_403_Forbidden_.28SSL_is_required.29 |
| 22:38.05 | hutab | ok i guess i need an upgrade for bitlbee |
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| 22:38.21 | Tordek | hi, I'm having a weird issue with nvidia/flash if anyone minds giving me a hand? After a couple of reboots, flash stops using HW acceleration; but if I reinstall libgl1-nvidia-glx and restart firefox it works again... until the next reboot |
| 22:38.45 | rich- | Tordek: don't reboot your machine =) |
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| 22:39.09 | Tordek | is there any way to do, like, "apt-file tell-me-if-reinstalling-this-would-change-any-files"? |
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| 22:41.39 | DelphiWorld | guys, if my wlan router support 150mb why my rtl is doing 72mbit/s? |
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| 22:42.25 | DelphiWorld | what disk have to do with wlan;) |
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| 22:42.38 | hutab | its wagic |
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| 22:43.10 | CHVNX | Perhaps you're downloading at those speeds, and the download would be subject to any bottlenecks caused by a slow disk. |
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| 22:47.40 | trysten | hello #debian! i need help debugging a deb! i think my problem is in the postinstall script, but how can i get more verbosity? |
| 22:47.58 | trysten | dpkg --configure adromize -??? |
| 22:47.59 | dpkg | trysten: i don't know |
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| 22:49.06 | xreal | abrotman: Sorry, took longer :) |
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| 22:52.05 | g00se | sux root x11vnc -shared -nopw -scale 0.85:nocr -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -display :0 USED TO work fine for me. Now i'm getting "su: invalid option -- 'n'" I don't get it. Can anyone help? |
| 22:52.28 | g00se | is running it on a new machine |
| 22:52.30 | tremon | trysten: sh -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/$pkg.postinst $action $version |
| 22:54.03 | tremon | g00se: su doesn't work the same way sudo does. Your entire command must be passed as a -c argument |
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| 22:55.14 | DelphiWorld | tremon: what's the diference bethwan auto and allow-hotplug ? what should i use for wireless? |
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| 22:56.08 | trysten | tremon: i don't know what $action is |
| 22:56.36 | tremon | DelphiWorld: not sure, check man 5 interfaces. iirc allow-hotplug is for usb/pcmcia network devices |
| 22:56.37 | g00se | tremon: Yes, just got it. Funny - there was no -c in my script command before |
| 22:57.30 | trysten | tremon: when i type that in, i get "+ set -e" and "+ exit 0" |
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| 22:58.22 | xreal | abrotman: Do you think, the title is correct at all? |
| 22:58.23 | tremon | trysten: if that's all you get, then your postinst script is empty. It's not the cause of your problem |
| 22:59.50 | tremon | trysten: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html , section 6.5 may be of help |
| 23:00.12 | trysten | tremon: i made the mistake of running the scripts 'in android' |
| 23:00.15 | trysten | my bad |
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| 23:01.50 | tremon | also, we have #debian-mentors on oftc for packaging questions |
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| 23:06.11 | xreal | How can I attach a file in BTS? |
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| 23:06.42 | centrx | xreal, I would recommend using reportbug |
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| 23:06.54 | xreal | centrx: it's existing already, I need to add a file. |
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| 23:07.07 | holmgren | You send a mail with an attachment to the bug address. |
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| 23:07.15 | xreal | holmgren: oh, that easy? :) |
| 23:07.22 | centrx | xreal, another way is flag your bug/message with patch and reportbug will ask you for a file |
| 23:07.22 | holmgren | <bugnumber>@bugs.debian.org |
| 23:07.23 | choose_goose | how would I upgrade FlashPlayer to the latest version? |
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| 23:07.32 | xreal | holmgren: yeah, thx |
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| 23:08.21 | holmgren | Files aren't attached to bugs per se, but attachments to mails sent to bugs can be found and downloaded. |
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| 23:11.05 | acz32 | choose_goose: update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
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| 23:13.36 | choose_goose | thanks |
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| 23:16.02 | xreal | centrx & holmgren: man... my bugreport is ugly as hell, isn't it? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=776526 |
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| 23:17.40 | centrx | xreal, You want bug reports to be limited to a width of 80 characters |
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| 23:18.11 | xreal | centrx: really? I always break my mails at ~ 76 chars... I'll do it on the next report. |
| 23:18.24 | xreal | centrx: or shall I remove this one and rewrite it from scratch? |
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| 23:19.18 | centrx | xreal, nah don't remove it |
| 23:19.31 | centrx | xreal, you can't actually delete it anyway |
| 23:19.36 | trysten | tremon: andromize.postinit is not empty, here it is: http://paste.debian.net/142987/ |
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| 23:19.59 | centrx | xreal, 80 characters was the width of the standard IBM punch card, so that's the default standard |
| 23:20.25 | xreal | centrx: thanks for the hint. |
| 23:20.38 | xreal | centrx: my mails always have this hard limit anyway. |
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| 23:22.59 | xreal | centrx: I think, I'll try debugging for myself in the next days. I bet, the pre- and postinstall scripts are messed up. |
| 23:23.11 | tremon | trysten: ok, then running it as sh -x [..].postinst configure should list all those lines. You may need quotes in that case statement though, not sure |
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| 23:27.05 | Brigo | who are those users _3o3___ ? |
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| 23:32.57 | adb | !pinning |
| 23:32.57 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 23:33.21 | centrx | DelphiWorld_, All the time? That's probably not a good idea, the backports packages aren't all tested together |
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| 23:33.53 | DelphiWorld_ | centrx: but its making issue with other packages |
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| 23:34.09 | centrx | DelphiWorld_, Use -t wheezy-backports with apt-get install when that happens |
| 23:34.29 | DelphiWorld_ | ouch, centrx let me try! |
| 23:35.04 | DelphiWorld_ | pay centrx a dinner |
| 23:35.11 | centrx | sweet |
| 23:35.35 | DelphiWorld_ | centrx: ;) |
| 23:35.55 | DelphiWorld_ | centrx: ok, now a much stupid question, what's the most lighter desktop? LXDE? |
| 23:36.35 | centrx | DelphiWorld_, one of openbox, fluxbox, awesome, i3wm, etc. |
| 23:36.55 | DelphiWorld_ | centrx: chouse me one please, i trust your suggesting:P |
| 23:37.08 | centrx | DelphiWorld_, That is, without a "desktop environment" |
| 23:37.14 | centrx | How bare do you want it to be |
| 23:37.24 | DelphiWorld_ | centrx: smallest pocible, just to run xbmc |
| 23:37.32 | centrx | use openbox |
| 23:37.37 | centrx | add fbpanel if you want a taskbar |
| 23:37.47 | DelphiWorld_ | ok, centrx ! |
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| 23:38.41 | DelphiWorld_ | centrx, i can also run vnc so to remote into openbox? |
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| 23:39.14 | centrx | yes it's fully functional it just doesn't have as many features, eye candy, utilities, etc. |
| 23:39.39 | DelphiWorld_ | centrx: awesome. it's a small sendbox just to put xbmc |
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| 23:42.41 | trysten | so, when i run /var/lib/dpkg/info/andromize.postinst configure i'm told that there's a "failure while writing changes to /etc/group" |
| 23:43.50 | trysten | i can touch /etc/group and it stats to 777. any ideas? i'm on debian (Linux android-b1363ac2eff0c23d 3.4.0+ #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Feb 14 15:27:16 KST 2014 armv7l GNU/Linux) |
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| 23:47.08 | ponderis1 | if you touch /etc/group and it goes to 777 ... you umask is real wrong |
| 23:47.29 | trysten | ponderis1: i set it that, in an attempt to fix it |
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| 23:48.12 | trysten | ponderis1: i can edit it and change the permissions freely though.. |
| 23:48.26 | xreal | How can I find out, if the connected USB drive is running as v1, v2 or v3 device? I do NOT want to check, what the device is capable to run at. |
| 23:48.31 | trysten | sorry, didn't mean to dingdong you |
| 23:48.33 | ponderis1 | i learned a long time ago to never try to fix anything with 777 - you still have to figure out what is wrong and it is a fake cure |
| 23:48.34 | DelphiWorld_ | centrx: is openbox itself a x11 manager? or should i do gdm3 |
| 23:48.34 | abrotman | xreal: that's up to the maintainer .. |
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| 23:49.28 | centrx | DelphiWorld_, openbox is a window manager. gdm is a display manager, for booting into X and logging into X |
| 23:49.28 | ponderis1 | trysten: check the owner? |
| 23:49.55 | DelphiWorld_ | centrx: ok, i'm confused bethwan those so. thank so much |
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| 23:50.01 | centrx | DelphiWorld_, For display manager, you might want to use lxdm (which comes from lxde), or nodm (which will go straight to X without asking for a password |
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| 23:50.12 | trysten | ponderis1: is root |
| 23:50.27 | ponderis1 | if it is root 777 is pointless |
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| 23:50.41 | trysten | ponderis1: ok |
| 23:50.43 | ponderis1 | can you give more infor? |
| 23:50.46 | trysten | damnit sorry |
| 23:50.52 | ponderis1 | np :) |
| 23:50.55 | centrx | DelphiWorld_, The window manager manages windows and the desktop. The display manager manages logins. |
| 23:51.02 | trysten | well i've installed debian on my android device |
| 23:51.13 | DelphiWorld_ | centrx: dude, nodm look very smalllllllll! |
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| 23:51.28 | ponderis1 | does /etc dir have the correct owner and permission? |
| 23:51.28 | themill | trysten: when it comes to android, there's not much we can do to help. It's weirdly different. |
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| 23:51.38 | trysten | apt-get works and the term runs smoothly, but i can't change anything. |
| 23:52.02 | ponderis1 | trysten: you are root? and can't change anything? |
| 23:52.04 | trysten | themill: you are right. maybe you can point me in the right direction? |
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| 23:52.27 | trysten | ponderis1: i can edit /etc/group by hand just fine! that's the thing! debian seems to work fine except this |
| 23:52.38 | trysten | addgroup, groupadd don't work |
| 23:52.43 | mutante | xreal: lsusb -v | grep InterfaceProtocol ? |
| 23:53.01 | trysten | they are compiled for debian, i'm pretty sure. themill, if you'd look at my uname -a above |
| 23:53.21 | xreal | mutante: result: http://pastie.org/pastes/9872552/text |
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| 23:53.46 | themill | trysten: your kernel is not a debian kernel and android does all sorts of funny things at the kernel, selinux and filesystem levels. |
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| 23:54.45 | mutante | xreal: i would think "Full Speed" tells you it's USB 1 |
| 23:55.25 | mutante | xreal: 2 = High Speed 3 = Super Speed .. but that's just theory :p |
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| 23:55.49 | srg | Hia. I have a USB drive. I mounted it with `sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb` but I cannot access that directory as a non-root user. I changed the permissions on the /mnt/usb dir prior to mounting, but it just goes back to root-only afterwards. |
| 23:56.48 | ponderis1 | mutante: is there a 'god speed' ;) |
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| 23:57.47 | abrotman | really? No one wants Ludicrous Speed? |
| 23:58.02 | mutante | ponderis1: maybe USB 4.0 :p |
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