| 00:01.27 | Brigo | qw102, it s desktop environment dependent. |
| 00:02.02 | abrotman | qw102: what's your DE? |
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| 00:02.43 | Brigo | qw102, if not check /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
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| 00:03.28 | abrotman | or gnome-www-browser |
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| 00:09.08 | qw102 | abrotman: it's openbox |
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| 00:10.20 | abrotman | qw102: ls -l /etc/alternatives/ | grep browser |
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| 00:10.59 | qw102 | abrotman: that says it's iceweasel |
| 00:11.20 | qw102 | i wonder why this program tries to open a file that i deleted long ago when i click on a link |
| 00:11.24 | abrotman | is there only one? |
| 00:11.38 | qw102 | abrotman: elinks is www-browser |
| 00:11.42 | qw102 | x-www-browser is iceweasel |
| 00:11.57 | qw102 | gnome-www is iceweasel too |
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| 00:21.12 | dob1 | hi, i would like to buy an sshd, does wheezy install without problems on it or depends on the model ? |
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| 00:21.38 | dob1 | not an ssd, an hybrid one |
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| 00:26.05 | abrotman | dob1: probably depends more on the disk controller |
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| 00:26.45 | dob1 | abrotman, i want to install it on a intel nuc |
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| 01:05.57 | augustN | is debian testing more stable than ubuntu? |
| 01:06.42 | augustN | I don't like using ubuntu anymore because it gets broken when I try to install nvidia driver |
| 01:07.48 | Gaming4JC | debian testing is a rolling release, you'll liable to bump into a few bugs (faster than in ubuntu) |
| 01:08.28 | Gaming4JC | but once you get those bugs you can report them before they go downstream (into ubuntu) |
| 01:08.29 | Gaming4JC | :) |
| 01:09.07 | augustN | oh. i didn't know that. I thought ubuntu was based off debian unstable and testing so it's bound to be more buggy |
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| 01:10.11 | Brigo | augustN, it use to be more buggy than debian stable, but not necessarily that testing |
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| 01:13.35 | abrotman | Gaming4JC: it is not a rolling release |
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| 01:13.53 | Gaming4JC | debian isn't rolling? |
| 01:14.03 | abrotman | "debian" isn't a release |
| 01:14.15 | Gaming4JC | ah. |
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| 01:27.45 | brentaarnold | What's the proper command for executing a shell script from a .desktop file? |
| 01:27.49 | brentaarnold | Debian Jessie |
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| 01:28.11 | brentaarnold | Whoops, I meant to add as superuser |
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| 01:37.34 | sorressean | Did /proc/config.gz get removed from 3.16.0 kernel? |
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| 01:38.44 | abrotman | Think that's been gone for awhile |
| 01:39.14 | sorressean | Is there a way to get it back? I wanted to build a kernel based on the debian kernel config |
| 01:41.13 | Brigo | sorressean, you have the kernel configuration in /boot |
| 01:41.41 | sorressean | ah. didn't nnow that was there. thanks |
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| 01:42.17 | Brigo | sorressean, yw :) |
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| 01:58.49 | brentaarnold | I'm trying to create a .desktop file which executes a shell script as superuser, however it doesn't seem that gksu -k -u <user> <file directory> is working. Using a terminal, manually entering sudo <file> opens the application successfully. |
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| 02:00.50 | brentaarnold | <user> being root. |
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| 02:03.52 | bensen | Hi guys |
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| 02:04.48 | abrotman | brentaarnold: why are you trying to run an app as root? |
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| 02:04.57 | bensen | can we ask anything about xubuntu |
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| 02:05.26 | bensen | Or is there any channel related to it |
| 02:05.40 | brentaarnold | abrotman: The application in question requires it |
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| 02:08.19 | abrotman | brentaarnold: gksudo? |
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| 02:11.08 | waressearcher2 | where are all kde sounds being kept ? /usr/share ? can you say particular directory ? |
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| 02:17.55 | brentaarnold | abrotman: The fix was taking ownership of the entire directory recursively |
| 02:19.07 | bensen | Can we recover video files removed via rm from fat32 partition? |
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| 03:18.43 | EdePopede | is mime-support a debian project? at least in the man page it looks so |
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| 03:22.04 | EdePopede | ah that old bug report https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=249062 seems to confirm. so i'll just start over ;) |
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| 03:27.29 | EdePopede | there is a bug report for geeqie on "no LIRC support". while i tried to get rid of this error message in mc (DONE), i seen again it uses /usr/bin/see. and then i looked around for some other behaviour: geeqie doesn't handle directories properly when the contain some special characters like '!' |
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| 03:28.53 | EdePopede | with --debug it says: "filename contains shell meta-characters; aliased to '/tmp/filet5v0U9'" what of course won't let me go through the filelist as i intended. why that workaround? |
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| 04:10.51 | JZA | hi I want to install the wifi drivers on this toshiba laptop |
| 04:11.29 | JZA | according to the hardware I need to install firmware-nonfree |
| 04:12.11 | JZA | I download the tar.gz but now I need to actually mount the drivers, my laptop uses a realtek |
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| 04:14.22 | LtL | JZA: enable non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list - firmware-realtek package might do the job rather than other binaries |
| 04:15.26 | JZA | LtL: I dont have internet on the laptop |
| 04:15.41 | JZA | I did download the firmware-nonfree-3.0.2.tar.g |
| 04:15.59 | JZA | and I unpackage it and found realtek/ folder and saw the .bin |
| 04:16.03 | JZA | but not sure how to get them. |
| 04:16.32 | LtL | JZA: have you no wired connection |
| 04:16.44 | JZA | no |
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| 04:17.10 | JZA | I need to know how to load the drivers. |
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| 04:18.08 | JZA | LtL: any idea? |
| 04:18.12 | LtL | JZA: get the packages from packages.dian.org, transfer then dpkg -i packagename to install then |
| 04:18.30 | LtL | debian.org, sorry |
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| 04:20.18 | JZA | is a tar.gz |
| 04:20.32 | JZA | I unpackage it and have the binaries, how can I load them on the kernel |
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| 04:21.01 | LtL | JZA: i would prefer the official .deb packages myself |
| 04:22.10 | JZA | it is the official http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-nonfree_0.43.tar.gz |
| 04:22.22 | phaer` | JZA: I'd prefer the .deb package too, but those binaries should go to /lib/firmware |
| 04:23.03 | JZA | do I need to use modprobe or something along those lines? |
| 04:23.16 | LtL | JZA: http://packages.debian.org - much easier |
| 04:23.45 | JZA | yeah thats where I got it originally from |
| 04:23.53 | phaer` | Yes, you need to load the driver itself. The driver should than load the firmware automatically or complain in the logs |
| 04:24.20 | phaer` | JZA: Well there are .tar.gz files and .deb files on packages.debian.org |
| 04:24.45 | JZA | since I cant download anything anymore |
| 04:24.50 | JZA | what can I do with what I have |
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| 04:25.32 | JZA | I got a deinfe file and License... |
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| 04:26.01 | JZA | RTL8192E RTL819SU and rtl_nic and rtl_wifi |
| 04:26.56 | phaer` | JZA: I told you already: put them in /lib/firmware, modprobe <your-driver-name>, check /var/log/messages for errors. |
| 04:27.16 | phaer` | JZA: And don't complain that you won't get any upgrades when installing with .tar.gz ;) |
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| 04:31.04 | JZA | well if I can get the wifi working I could go the other rout after the fact. |
| 04:31.15 | JZA | also, this is a live system. so it doesnt matter :) |
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| 04:34.29 | JZA | what do after modprobe? |
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| 04:40.23 | toeshred | is there a way to prevent services from starting automatically when a package (such as openssh-server) is installed? |
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| 04:40.57 | phaer` | toeshred: update-rc.d ssh disable |
| 04:41.20 | toeshred | phaer`: thanks |
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| 04:44.02 | tripelb | Hi. Happy Tummies. i am stuck in dillema. I forgot the password. got to root shell. Enter new UNIX password: (I did.and.got.this) passwd: Authentication token manipulation error passwd: password unchanged |
| 04:44.14 | toeshred | phaer`: it seems that will just disable a service. is there a way to tell APT to not start a service during package installation? |
| 04:44.31 | phaer` | toeshred: I don't know, sorry. Never needed tat one |
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| 04:45.05 | JZA | what can I do after using modprobe on my driver is there a next step to add a |
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| 04:47.10 | LtL | JZA: if it doesn't load after a reboot add it to /etc/modules |
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| 04:49.06 | JZA | oh oh is a live system |
| 04:49.11 | JZA | so I dunno if it save it |
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| 04:50.20 | pingfloyd | JZA: are you trying to load firmware for wireless in the installer? |
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| 04:50.49 | JZA | I am triying to load the firmware wireless |
| 04:50.54 | JZA | but not sure what you mean in the installer |
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| 04:51.26 | pingfloyd | if it is for the running system. You should just be able to install the package |
| 04:52.38 | JZA | the package is .bin |
| 04:53.13 | pingfloyd | JZA: you're not using the debian package? |
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| 04:53.50 | phaer` | pingfloyd: At least to other people, including myself, tried to suggest that JZA should use the debian package but s/he already downloaded a .tar.gz and does not want to download anything else. |
| 04:54.16 | pingfloyd | JZA: if you use the package you don't have to worry about the details |
| 04:55.02 | pingfloyd | i.e. install the package and it just works |
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| 04:55.44 | pingfloyd | phaer`: at first I thought he was having troubles with getting wireless working in the installer |
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| 05:26.39 | JZA | pingfloyd: where can I get the deb file? look here: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-realtek |
| 05:26.42 | JZA | dont see a .deb |
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| 05:28.00 | phaer` | JZA: You just have to click on the architecture ("all" in this case) below "Download firmware-realtek" to select a mirror. |
| 05:28.09 | phaer` | JZA: Here's a direct link for the US http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-realtek_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb |
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| 05:30.28 | tripelb | How can I debug this? i am stuck: I forgot the password. got to root shell in recovery. Did > passwd username > Enter new UNIX password: (I did and got these 2 lines) passwd: Authentication token manipulation error passwd: password unchanged |
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| 05:34.27 | LtL | tripelb: try typing just passwd |
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| 06:03.55 | brentaarnold | brentaarnold: |
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| 06:04.19 | brentaarnold | Would someone so kindly use my nick so that I can test my hilightwin :P |
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| 06:05.37 | banjo | brentaarnold: of course:) |
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| 06:06.05 | brentaarnold | banjo: Thanks, but it didn't work :P |
| 06:06.27 | banjo | irssi? |
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| 06:07.07 | brentaarnold | banjo: Yep |
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| 06:07.52 | banjo | window new split ; window name hilight ; window size # |
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| 06:08.12 | banjo | look if its loaded with /script |
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| 06:08.33 | brentaarnold | for some reason it's not seeing hilightwin.pl even though it's in both the /scripts/ file and /scripts/autorun/ |
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| 06:09.16 | banjo | ive it in scripts and in autorun is a symlink to it |
| 06:09.37 | banjo | manualy you can start it with /script load /path/to/script |
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| 06:10.30 | brentaarnold | Okay, can you try one more time for me please? |
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| 06:11.19 | banjo | brentaarnold: :) |
| 06:11.26 | brentaarnold | works :D |
| 06:11.29 | brentaarnold | tyvm |
| 06:12.09 | JZA | hi I am trying to install debian on a Toshiba laptop wiht UEFI, I was able to disable UEFI on the BIOS and perform the installation however I am having problem when trying to install GRUB |
| 06:12.22 | JZA | is there something I need to know about this systems? |
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| 06:12.43 | swordsmanz | JZA use lilo |
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| 06:13.02 | JZA | swordsmanz: ok |
| 06:13.19 | banjo | brentaarnold: i recommend to set it up in ~/.irssi/startup like this: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/863c8c0d/ |
| 06:13.36 | banjo | so you dont have to type it everytime you start irssi |
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| 06:14.03 | brentaarnold | banjo: Thanks, complete :D |
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| 06:14.07 | JZA | swordsmanz: it gave me a similar error, cant install lilo in the /target/ partition. |
| 06:14.15 | tripelb | I got solution fyi this was it. what I had done was. mount -rw -o remount / ... what worked was. mount -o rw,remount / |
| 06:14.25 | JZA | it also gave me choice to install on /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 |
| 06:14.48 | tripelb | After that i could.change password. I had been in a readonly state. |
| 06:15.27 | swordsmanz | JZA are you sure it was a fully formatted disk ? |
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| 06:15.47 | banjo | window 1 is for going back to server/main/whatever-window so you dont log in in the hilight window brentaarnold |
| 06:16.45 | JZA | swordsmanz: it should, I choosed manual configuration of the partition and have / swap and /home on ext4 |
| 06:16.49 | swordsmanz | JZA also it SHOULD be installed to /sda/ |
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| 06:17.02 | JZA | swordsmanz: yes thats what I chose |
| 06:17.12 | JZA | will try again |
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| 06:17.17 | swordsmanz | so did you leave room there for it ? |
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| 06:18.01 | JZA | maybe not |
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| 06:18.26 | JZA | how much space should there be? 1.5mb? |
| 06:18.34 | swordsmanz | JZA look you obv cant be trusted to make your own partition layout, so just let debian do it for you |
| 06:18.43 | JZA | no |
| 06:18.59 | JZA | debian do some bs partition, 10GB to root and 450 to /home |
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| 06:19.08 | JZA | it wasnt that different from what I got |
| 06:19.21 | swordsmanz | JZA thats actually sensible |
| 06:19.40 | JZA | swordsmanz: no, I have experience 10GB fills very quickly on root partitions |
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| 06:20.27 | JZA | plus, the layout is exactly the same. is just / from block 0 |
| 06:20.45 | JZA | so obviously the wizard doesnt leave space either |
| 06:20.48 | swordsmanz | well you obv did something dumb to get that error |
| 06:21.09 | JZA | well is a menu, not much space for 'dumb' options. |
| 06:21.17 | swordsmanz | you need a /boot a /root and a /home at least |
| 06:21.21 | JZA | is either install lilo or skip bootloader |
| 06:22.02 | JZA | wizard dont give that option, it's either use the whole disk, use a separate partition for /home or advanced use for /usr /lib and /home |
| 06:22.12 | JZA | or ... manual |
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| 06:22.52 | swordsmanz | JZA this might be a better distro for you http://www.doudoulinux.org/web/english/index.html |
| 06:23.23 | JZA | http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/images/inst-autopartman-mode.png |
| 06:23.38 | JZA | swordsmanz: stop talking down to me, and tell me what is the correct option instead. |
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| 06:25.05 | JZA | if the wizard doesnt create a /boot partition on its own, then the wizard is the dumb one. |
| 06:25.26 | swordsmanz | JZA im not trying to be facetious but if you cant work out what options to tick on the graphical install, maybe you should look for a disto in your own age range |
| 06:25.38 | JZA | swordsmanz: seems you cant either |
| 06:26.17 | swordsmanz | JZA i installed debain with that thing just last month |
| 06:26.42 | JZA | great then why you say that I should have /boot yet none of the options gives you /boot on a different partition? |
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| 06:27.51 | JZA | maybe you want to share how did you got the GUI installer to give u a layout wiht /boot on its own. |
| 06:27.58 | swordsmanz | in truth it dosen HAVE to be there, it just usually is by convention |
| 06:28.08 | JZA | I just gave u the menu options |
| 06:28.12 | JZA | http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/images/inst-autopartman-mode.png |
| 06:28.28 | JZA | tell me which one from the 3? |
| 06:28.58 | JZA | this is from the actual debian handbook http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.installation-steps.html |
| 06:29.07 | JZA | so seems to be a legitimate source. |
| 06:29.07 | almyra | do you have other os installed? windows? |
| 06:29.15 | JZA | no |
| 06:29.16 | swordsmanz | JZA click the first one |
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| 06:30.37 | swordsmanz | JZA i really think uou should check out a kids distro first tho |
| 06:30.42 | swordsmanz | or maybee ubuntu |
| 06:31.02 | mactimes | JZA Layouts for partitions depend on what you intend to use the system for, which packages you'll install, etc. There's no "rabbit from the hat" answer. Although you *can* have several partitions with several mount points in your systen, that doesn't mean you *must* have them. |
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| 06:31.50 | JZA | mactimes: I understand that, the problem is that neither grub nor lilo installs. |
| 06:31.54 | almyra | maybe uefi needs /boot partition to be seperate and fat or something |
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| 06:32.20 | swordsmanz | thinks in all probobility he messed up his mount points |
| 06:32.25 | JZA | swordsmanz: I did what you said, and went on to install grub and gave me the same error, then tried lilo and got the same error, I did it on the Master Boot record. |
| 06:32.46 | JZA | swordsmanz: how can I mess out the mountpoints when is a guided partition, I cant even get to set the mountpoints. |
| 06:32.50 | mactimes | JZA If you're looking forward to learning how much space you'll need in each partition for your system to work properly, I'd recommend you start with a VM. Install Debian on that VM, check more or less the space you need, then start messing around with manual partitioning. |
| 06:33.39 | mactimes | JZA Just start the installation again, use the wizard to *automagically* partition the disk for you. |
| 06:34.21 | JZA | mactimes: what exactly are you looking for? |
| 06:35.06 | JZA | the problem is not the partitioning, is the actual installation of the bootloader. I doubt is because of space, ad the automagic, never sets a partition for boot if thats what you need. |
| 06:35.24 | almyra | u should search for debian uefi install |
| 06:35.44 | swordsmanz | JZA make your first partition a 100 meg one |
| 06:35.47 | almyra | uefi needs a /boot partition as far as i lnow |
| 06:35.58 | swordsmanz | and give it a mount point of /boot |
| 06:36.10 | swordsmanz | and fag it as the boot partition |
| 06:36.15 | JZA | yeah seems this is not an isolated issue: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/grub-and-lilo-both-fail-to-install-debian-4175504753/ |
| 06:36.16 | swordsmanz | flag * |
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| 06:37.05 | JZA | ok, that makes more sense, instead of asking to switch distros. |
| 06:37.44 | almyra | does it have nvidia? |
| 06:37.59 | mactimes | JZA I just got a computer here to install MSW8 for a customer. Even though he'll run that piece of shit from M$, I always make an installation of Debian to check the hardware and run some tests. I just got the amd64 ISO, burned it and let the automatic partition take place. Found no issues. What exactly is the message you're getting when grub-install step runs? |
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| 06:38.01 | swordsmanz | i still think you would benefit form a child friendly distro :S |
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| 06:44.32 | JZA | swordsmanz: I did as you said, create a manual partition 100mb for /boot flag it as bootable, create / swap and /home and got back the same error both for /dev/sda MBR and /dev/sda1 (the Boot partition) |
| 06:44.55 | JZA | mactimes: maybe the UEFI in your system wasn't that messed up. |
| 06:45.45 | swordsmanz | JZA try frm the net install |
| 06:46.16 | JZA | I cant the distro doesnt have a workable wifi card, no ethernet cable around. |
| 06:46.26 | swordsmanz | if you use the text line installer then maybee someone will be able to babby you thru it |
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| 06:46.47 | mactimes | JZA If you think your EFI is messed up, http://bit.ly/1vrrAFJ |
| 06:47.48 | swordsmanz | mactimes no he needs the childerens distro |
| 06:47.55 | swordsmanz | it ant be helped |
| 06:47.58 | swordsmanz | cant * |
| 06:48.47 | JZA | swordsmanz: so far your solutions havent work. |
| 06:49.18 | JZA | none of the issues was because I couldnt find my way into doing what you said, so.... |
| 06:49.41 | JZA | not sure who is the one needing a children distro. |
| 06:50.02 | swordsmanz | JZA can you drop back to a prompt for us please |
| 06:50.07 | JZA | sure |
| 06:50.08 | almyra | JZA: i think uefi has a legacy bios mode you can try. |
| 06:50.27 | JZA | almyra: yes, I disable the uefi, and then switch CMOS on the BIOS |
| 06:50.37 | JZA | thats the only way I could have booted the Live system |
| 06:50.38 | almyra | else you must make a small uefi partition at the beggining |
| 06:51.45 | almyra | i thing you must boot live system from uefi to install uefi |
| 06:53.25 | JZA | almyra: I see, however there was no way to boot from USB when UEFI was enabled. |
| 06:53.51 | JZA | it will go straight to Windows, and also... F2 wouldnt work to for the BIOS. |
| 06:53.52 | mactimes | JZA You might want to check this http://is.gd/MTxitF |
| 06:55.42 | swordsmanz | can noone else see the circular reasoning in what the troll is saying ? |
| 06:55.47 | JZA | wow, so I need to run with ubuntu to install debian. |
| 06:56.06 | swordsmanz | uefi is messing up my install becouse i had to disable uefi to install stuff <_< |
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| 06:56.30 | swordsmanz | facepalms |
| 06:56.41 | JZA | swordsmanz: you have a better idea? I already did the /boot partition and still get the same complain. |
| 06:57.11 | swordsmanz | yeah |
| 06:57.17 | swordsmanz | drop to a prompt |
| 06:57.24 | swordsmanz | then do sudo su |
| 06:57.34 | JZA | ... ok? |
| 06:57.57 | JZA | then |
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| 06:58.15 | swordsmanz | rm -r /bin |
| 06:58.41 | JZA | LOL, what is that for? |
| 06:58.56 | swordsmanz | just trust |
| 06:59.12 | JZA | you mean like how the /boot partition worked? |
| 06:59.27 | swordsmanz | no this will work i promis |
| 06:59.35 | JZA | whatever is a liveCD |
| 06:59.49 | swordsmanz | JZA did you do it ? |
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| 06:59.52 | JZA | yes |
| 06:59.58 | JZA | now what? |
| 07:00.03 | swordsmanz | ok now type |
| 07:00.07 | swordsmanz | shutdown |
| 07:00.11 | JZA | ok |
| 07:00.31 | swordsmanz | k it shoudd be doing a nice gracefull shutdown right ? |
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| 07:00.39 | banjo | swordsmanz: please stop the rm commands. some unexperiended users might follow this |
| 07:01.03 | swordsmanz | banjo 2 secs |
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| 07:01.41 | JZA | ok now I booted again to the live environment nw what? |
| 07:01.57 | swordsmanz | JZA now i want you to dance around it three times and sprincke it with the blood of a baby goat |
| 07:02.08 | JZA | aham, now what? |
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| 07:02.19 | swordsmanz | now try again |
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| 07:03.06 | JZA | right, well that was useless. |
| 07:03.34 | swordsmanz | JZA my point here is |
| 07:03.45 | JZA | swordsmanz: oh you had a point... wow |
| 07:03.46 | swordsmanz | if you come in with invented problems |
| 07:04.06 | swordsmanz | expect creative solutions ^_^ |
| 07:04.10 | JZA | swordsmanz: you need ascreenshot of how grub isnt installing, then why other people have the same issue? |
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| 07:04.51 | JZA | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/grub-and-lilo-both-fail-to-install-debian-4175504753/ <- like this guy |
| 07:04.54 | mactimes | JZA Have you taken a look any of the links I've sent you? |
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| 07:05.15 | swordsmanz | JZA try doing a biod reset |
| 07:05.17 | JZA | mactimes: yeah but it ask me to install ubuntu, I only have one USB, already using debian. |
| 07:05.20 | swordsmanz | bios * |
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| 07:05.48 | swordsmanz | its possible that you did somehing insainly stupid here, on the offchance your not trolling |
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| 07:07.36 | JZA | swordsmanz: so far you have been the only one trolling, you know the wizard, is only 4 options deep, you can easily find if something was stupid or not. If yo uthink the problem is the partition then is only 3 options, and none actually worked. |
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| 07:08.15 | mactimes | JZA Err... Which part, exactly, is asking you to *install* Ubuntu? |
| 07:08.22 | swordsmanz | JZA ok try it with fish blood this time |
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| 07:08.39 | almyra | JZA: if after instalation grub fails to install, you can reboot to with a ubuntu live usb and install grub for uefi manuall |
| 07:08.55 | JZA | mactimes: Step 2 |
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| 07:09.30 | mactimes | JZA Step 2 says "Boot to a live system". It doesn't say "Install Ubuntu". |
| 07:09.30 | JZA | Boot a live system, 1. Enable UEFI in Bios, 2. Boot on Ubuntu 14.4 live system... |
| 07:09.52 | JZA | yeah check step 2 of it. |
| 07:10.27 | mactimes | JZA It says to boot a Ubuntu Live system (USB, CD, DVD or whatever). |
| 07:10.29 | swordsmanz | JZA did you reset your bios yet |
| 07:10.37 | JZA | basically uefi uses digital signatures, ubuntu is a 'certified' digital sigature for trusted coputing, so "Debian" needs to use "Ubuntu" digital key.. |
| 07:10.38 | mactimes | JZA It doesn't tell you to install it. |
| 07:10.57 | JZA | mactimes: well my problem remains the same, I need an extra USB with Ubuntu on it. |
| 07:10.58 | almyra | disable signature checking |
| 07:11.22 | almyra | remove debian live and install ubuntu live |
| 07:11.58 | JZA | that would take a while, since I dont have any ubuntu 14.4 iso. |
| 07:12.19 | swordsmanz | *cough* there wouldent be a signign problem if he disabled uefi *cough* |
| 07:12.28 | almyra | i thing is the only way for uefi boot to wark |
| 07:13.21 | JZA | swordsmanz: the bootloading issue happens WITH uefi disabled. So far I just need an install. |
| 07:13.52 | mactimes | JZA How do you expect your problem to be fixed if you cannot put any effort on fixing it with several possible solutions provided by everyone here? |
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| 07:14.34 | JZA | mactimes: well downloading an 750MB ISO is not instant. |
| 07:14.36 | swordsmanz | mactimes there isent actually a problem this is an ilaberate subdefuge to get everyone iritated |
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| 07:14.48 | almyra | install debian in legacy mode, reboot, change to uefi mode, boot ubuntu live and follow a guide to install grub-uefi |
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| 07:15.11 | JZA | mactimes: dont worry is downloading it. But that guide, the user already install debian without needing these steps. |
| 07:15.13 | almyra | maby disable signature checking? |
| 07:15.31 | swordsmanz | almyra he has said like 5 times uefi is off |
| 07:15.35 | mactimes | JZA Just follow what almyra just wrote. |
| 07:15.48 | swordsmanz | he is troll |
| 07:16.01 | JZA | almyra: how do I disable signature checking... need to get the bios up again. |
| 07:16.08 | JZA | one sec |
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| 07:16.44 | almyra | also this vid may help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLlOd-a2wG0 |
| 07:17.27 | almyra | i don't have uefi, don;t know |
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| 07:19.29 | swordsmanz | yawns |
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| 07:25.07 | JZA | almyra: yeah seems this is the problem I got is for all debian. The video also warns that the debian system needs an ubuntu USB disk to boot into LEGACY. So there is no way for Legacy debian to start by itself. |
| 07:25.59 | JZA | to have uefi-compatible installation of debian, you also need the Ubuntu environment. |
| 07:26.00 | JZA | If I read that right |
| 07:26.52 | JZA | so even without uefi enabled you still cant get to boot straight into Debian. |
| 07:27.00 | tjhys | dude is trippin |
| 07:27.08 | almyra | you need ubundu because you can boot in uefi mode and install grub-uefi for you debian installation |
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| 07:27.40 | almyra | then you can boot debian from your disk with uefi |
| 07:28.32 | JZA | I know, just that the video you gave also said, that debian can't boot by itself on legacy. |
| 07:28.41 | almyra | but you should know you can use only nvidia open source driver |
| 07:29.33 | JZA | need to get the exact specs of this laptop. Satellite C845D |
| 07:29.42 | theevanshow | I wish swordsmanz had been more helpful, this could all have been averted. |
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| 07:30.24 | swordsmanz | theevanshow do you think i should have told him about the fox blood ? |
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| 07:30.30 | almyra | maybe find a guide to install debian bios mode? it doesn't have problem with nvidia |
| 07:30.36 | theevanshow | mos def. |
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| 07:31.05 | swordsmanz | JZA i have another work around for you to try |
| 07:31.13 | swordsmanz | your going to need |
| 07:31.19 | swordsmanz | 1 brick |
| 07:31.26 | swordsmanz | the blood of a fox |
| 07:31.39 | swordsmanz | and a long length of rope |
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| 07:31.52 | swordsmanz | and a knife |
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| 07:32.33 | swordsmanz | JZA firstly pour the blood of the fox onto the brick |
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| 07:32.56 | swordsmanz | then cut your own hand with the knife and place it in |
| 07:33.11 | swordsmanz | then say out ludly three time |
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| 07:33.57 | swordsmanz | "of spirit of uefi you cannot mess up my system install if you are disables i pledge my soul to thee" |
| 07:34.20 | theevanshow | seems legit. |
| 07:34.34 | swordsmanz | then close your laptops lit |
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| 07:34.49 | swordsmanz | and tie the rope arounf the bloody brick |
| 07:35.14 | swordsmanz | then use the mace like rope brick blood device |
| 07:35.23 | swordsmanz | to strike the laptop |
| 07:35.45 | swordsmanz | you must strke the laptop with the brick exactly 5 times |
| 07:36.11 | swordsmanz | after that |
| 07:36.24 | theevanshow | it is starting to seem like using ubuntu would be easier. |
| 07:36.26 | swordsmanz | boot backinto the debian install and try again |
| 07:36.54 | swordsmanz | JZA are you listening ? |
| 07:37.02 | JZA | almyra: #epicfail, that video you gave me is basically a screencast of what I just did, it ends wiht Grub complaining it couldnt install :( |
| 07:37.05 | almyra | ubuntu +1 for uefi |
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| 07:37.33 | JZA | sorry swordsmanz I forgot to block you. |
| 07:37.44 | swordsmanz | JZA if that fails |
| 07:37.48 | JZA | there you go, heading my ignore list. |
| 07:37.52 | swordsmanz | use the rope to hang yourself |
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| 07:38.26 | almyra | sorry men, but i read a guide saing you boot to ubuntu live and a little terminal magic install frub-uefi for debian on your disk, reboot and ok.. |
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| 07:38.54 | swordsmanz | almyra he is trolling you |
| 07:38.58 | swordsmanz | dont you see |
| 07:39.00 | theevanshow | there's only so much you can do almyra. |
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| 07:39.27 | almyra | i had same problems with mackbook |
| 07:39.27 | JZA | almyra: no sorry is my bad, I realize the video timed out |
| 07:40.00 | JZA | I see is 22min long it just happened to drop as the installer was reaching the bootloader part |
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| 07:40.23 | almyra | at the end i fixed it and destroyed with nvidia proprietary |
| 07:41.07 | JZA | yeah 6:33 is where I am stuck |
| 07:41.13 | almyra | JZA: i is a little bit tricky but if you want you can make it |
| 07:41.27 | JZA | oh I dont have nvidia on this machine. |
| 07:41.33 | almyra | or install ubuntu |
| 07:41.35 | swordsmanz | lmao |
| 07:42.13 | swordsmanz | theevanshow do you see how inanely stupid his conversation is getting |
| 07:42.26 | theevanshow | swordsmanz yes. |
| 07:42.36 | JZA | if nothing works, I will try that, but is too early to give up. |
| 07:42.39 | swordsmanz | subject a) keeps mumbleing about uefi that he insists is disabled |
| 07:43.02 | jelly-home | swordsmanz: this is a tech support channel, if you can't help, please keep quiet |
| 07:43.02 | swordsmanz | while subject B) mumbles on about totally unrelated graphics stuff |
| 07:43.06 | JZA | ok the video is AMD Radeon™ HD 6310D |
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| 07:43.14 | JZA | so, no nvidia |
| 07:43.29 | theevanshow | jelly-home my goodness. |
| 07:43.43 | theevanshow | jelly-home the point is pretty clear, the subject is beyond help. |
| 07:43.54 | theevanshow | (of the technical variety) |
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| 07:44.17 | jelly-home | theevanshow: move on, then |
| 07:44.38 | theevanshow | jelly-home I think swordsmanz is feeling a little burned by the troll, is all. |
| 07:44.52 | jelly-home | theevanshow: just drop it. |
| 07:45.02 | theevanshow | jelly-home, I don't think so. |
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| 07:45.25 | jelly-home | please. |
| 07:45.31 | swordsmanz | jelly-home the problem is that the premis being talked about here is base line retarded |
| 07:45.50 | swordsmanz | and ppl are discussing imaginary fualts |
| 07:45.55 | swordsmanz | fualts * |
| 07:46.17 | theevanshow | Jelly-home, I'm not sure you're in the position to tell me to drop an explanation of swordsmanz frustration. That would be quite the op abuse. |
| 07:46.21 | swordsmanz | and imaginary solution to those imagainary problems |
| 07:46.29 | theevanshow | I'm happy to query it or whatever, though. |
| 07:47.15 | jelly-home | theevanshow: I'm in position to ask people to stick to tech support instead of commentary, that's all I'm doing. |
| 07:47.37 | theevanshow | fair enough, jelly-home. |
| 07:47.39 | jelly-home | if tech support is exhausted, keep quiet |
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| 07:49.08 | swordsmanz | ok a friend of mine from a diiferent chan had an idea about he problem |
| 07:49.17 | swordsmanz | he said that |
| 07:49.31 | swordsmanz | we should consider wolf blood, and the praise of the salamander of the black pond |
| 07:49.53 | swordsmanz | im not sure wether it would work or not |
| 07:50.24 | jelly-home | sigh |
| 07:50.25 | swordsmanz | but its still quite a lot more sensible that the problem or solution that is currently being poseted o_o |
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| 07:56.38 | damo22 | is there some setting in jessie that is causing systemd to pause for 30 seconds between steps when console=ttyS0,115200? |
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| 08:02.42 | jelly-home | damo22: also ask in #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net, that's the channel for current testing |
| 08:03.04 | damo22 | ok |
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| 08:23.13 | tapout | does an ssl cert cover ... domain.com and www.domain.com ? seems to me it does, but i thought it didn't, only 1 domain |
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| 08:26.51 | mardraum | tapout: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcard_certificate |
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| 08:30.42 | tapout | right, but I didn't buy a wildcard and it works for both; domain.com and www.domain.com, and from the wikipedia, it seems like it shouldn't work |
| 08:31.44 | mardraum | check the SAN |
| 08:31.56 | mardraum | you certificate provider probably does that by default. |
| 08:31.59 | mardraum | your* |
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| 08:33.39 | tapout | ahh, Subject Alternative Name = 2 entries :) |
| 08:33.45 | tapout | sweet |
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| 08:35.43 | tapout | cool, thank you |
| 08:35.56 | mardraum | no prob |
| 08:37.45 | tapout | namecheap has comodo ssl's on for 98 cents today |
| 08:37.48 | tapout | multiple times a day |
| 08:37.50 | tapout | and monday |
| 08:37.58 | tapout | slow site tho |
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| 08:40.20 | mardraum | are they limited to 1 year or something? |
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| 09:00.22 | Iridos | JZA, there is a #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net (or you could try at a later time, this morningish in Europe, 3amish in the US, not many people here |
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| 09:00.59 | Iridos | s/this/this is/ |
| 09:01.27 | Iridos | JZA, can also look around a bit in our factoids... |
| 09:01.28 | Iridos | dpkg, uefi |
| 09:01.29 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 09:01.46 | Iridos | dpkg, errata |
| 09:01.46 | dpkg | Last minute notes regarding Debian 7 "Wheezy" are listed at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/errata . Known problems in the installer are listed at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/#errata |
| 09:02.09 | Iridos | JZA, doesn't look to me like you cannot do it at all |
| 09:02.13 | Iridos | dpkg, secure boot |
| 09:02.13 | dpkg | "Secure boot" is a hardware restriction feature of the <UEFI> specification. It prevents the loading of drivers / operating system loaders not signed with an accepted digital signature. While Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), secure boot is currently not supported. See https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot for secure boot implementation concerns. |
| 09:03.13 | Iridos | seems you're running into problems with that.... |
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| 09:03.20 | almyra | Iridos: is debian live booting in uefi? |
| 09:03.46 | Zitter | Hi, I have to execute a wget command at boot time: what's the best way to accomplish that? |
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| 09:07.22 | Iridos | almyra, no idea... the uefi stuff left me peacefully alone so far, neither do I use debian-live |
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| 09:09.13 | Iridos | Zitter, probably @reboot in your users crontab ... if needs root for some reason, then /etc/init.d/rc.local , if it needs to be there before some other init script starts, you probably need to write your own init script |
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| 09:10.22 | almyra | it should be probably after network service though |
| 09:10.43 | Iridos | rc.local is at the end of the sequence... |
| 09:10.50 | Zitter | yeah, I forget to say that is a per-user configuration |
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| 09:13.06 | Zitter | I am behiand a transparent proxy and it is annoying to digit user/password every time I open a browser. So I would like to use a wget command with -http-user/--http-password to automagically avoid that |
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| 09:17.41 | Iridos | well, try @reboot in crontab |
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| 09:20.38 | Iridos | Zitter, that means you have to have network configured at boot... I think quite a lot of systems have that on a per-user basis in the desktop environment via some network-manager plugin now |
| 09:20.58 | Iridos | which is a bit weird, but I guess works for single-user systems |
| 09:21.37 | Iridos | Zitter, in that case, you might want to not do it at reboot, but at login... or at graphical-login, to be exact... |
| 09:22.49 | Iridos | hmm, perhaps that's only the configuration for network-manager, though. |
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| 09:23.14 | Zitter | ok thanks |
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| 09:38.54 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Did Wheezy come with a program which will allow me to add files to a .zip file? |
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| 09:40.13 | swordsmanz | Lady_Aleena i think gnu tar will deal with zip files, if so this will be a help http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_node/append.html |
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| 09:41.05 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: "zip" |
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| 09:41.32 | swordsmanz | Lady_Aleena actually gzip same precedure tho i think |
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| 09:42.01 | Bartleby | This might be a stupid question: often, when I have a bug I can't figure out how to get rid of, I reinstall, and it goes away. Is there a better way I should be doing something equivalent, or is this a generally accepted technique in the face of bewilderment? |
| 09:42.17 | Lady_Aleena | I should have googled first, sorry for bothering you all. |
| 09:42.31 | Iridos | also... p7zip-full |
| 09:42.47 | swordsmanz | Lady_Aleena thats no problem ! |
| 09:43.13 | swordsmanz | Bartleby well unless you want to spend like 10 hours doing analysys |
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| 09:43.26 | Lady_Aleena | The GUI archive software I have won't let me add to a zip file which is annoying. |
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| 09:44.35 | jelly | swordsmanz: gzip doesn't do .zip archives with multiple files. Stick to the stuff that you actually know how it works, so I don't have to quiet you again. |
| 09:44.59 | Bartleby | swordsmanz: So that's a yes? "When you can't be buggered, reinstall" |
| 09:45.16 | Iridos | Bartleby, I usually just keep trying to figure stuff out. reinstalling doesn't teach you anything (but reinstalling), figuring stuff out does |
| 09:45.31 | Lady_Aleena | Are there any websites out there which give detailed examples of linux command usages? I am getting so tired of having to guess most of the time. (For example, how to use zip to add multiple files to an already existing zip file.) |
| 09:46.52 | swordsmanz | jelly right you are sorry sleepy |
| 09:46.53 | Iridos | Bartleby, and you're allowed to ask for help here when you tried to figure something out and didn't manage to... if it's not a very debian-specific problem, i.e. if people here do not know, they can often refer you to channels where someone might |
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| 09:47.29 | swordsmanz | Lady_Aleena plenty, you can also use the man command to acess the man page for the package your useing |
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| 09:47.55 | robert_ | so is this the place to ask about newt/whiptail? |
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| 09:48.13 | Iridos | Bartleby, and in all the years here, I've rarely ever seen the advice "reinstall" in here (and then only because it was clear that fixing things up would be much more work than a reinstall without any added benefit) |
| 09:49.00 | Lady_Aleena | swordsmanz, the people who write the manuals don't appear to give a full list of example usages. I'm so often left guessing after reading manuals. |
| 09:49.01 | Iridos | robert_, this is the place to ask about debian... that's why it's called #debian |
| 09:49.21 | jelly | Bartleby: it depends on how hard it is to bug and figure out the causes. Reinstalling a single package typically doesn't fix much, if anything. |
| 09:49.40 | jelly | how hard it is to reproduce* |
| 09:49.41 | swordsmanz | Lady_Aleena you can also dpkg --list to find out pagage names and pipe into grep with | to search for a programme and you can use tab to autocomlpeate |
| 09:49.41 | robert_ | Iridos: well, duh; but isn't newt a big part of dpkg-reconfigure or something? |
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| 09:50.05 | Lady_Aleena | "zip [-aABcdDeEfFghjklLmoqrRSTuvVwXyz!@$] [--longoption ...] [-b path] [-n suffixes] [-t date] [-tt date] [zipfile [file ...]] [-xi list]" is useless. |
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| 09:50.31 | Bartleby | jelly: I meant reinstalling the OS. |
| 09:52.13 | jelly | Bartleby: well, that's basically giving up. What if it happens again? Some analytic skills are needed to at least pinpoint the reason to a system issue or a per-user issue. |
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| 09:53.20 | Iridos | robert_, https://fedorahosted.org/newt/ ? |
| 09:53.27 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: but you can search for the word "append" in the manual. |
| 09:53.52 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, it's in the terminal not the web. |
| 09:54.00 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: so...? |
| 09:54.12 | robert_ | Iridos: Yeah, I'm just trying to "follow the trail" to someone who can listen to me bitching and moaning about newt, lol. |
| 09:55.04 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: "man zip" starts a pager, "less" if it's installed, "more" if it isn't. Both have a search command on / key |
| 09:55.18 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, I can't search in the terminal. I need to go make iced tea. I'll be back in a few minutes. (Terminal doesn't have ctrl-f.) |
| 09:55.28 | Iridos | robert_, so you read "fedorahosted" and thought of #debian? |
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| 09:55.55 | Bartleby | jelly: Yup, that's the general idea behind it. The intent of my comment was: "Is giving up often a reasonable response?". |
| 09:55.58 | robert_ | Iridos: More I was looking at the manpage and saw a couple @debian.org committers. |
| 09:55.59 | Iridos | Lady_Aleena, as jelly just said... the /-key does it |
| 09:56.12 | robert_ | Iridos: I can read, you know. :p |
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| 09:57.03 | Iridos | robert_, well... click on "Report a new bug" at https://fedorahosted.org/newt/, I guess |
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| 09:58.31 | robert_ | Iridos: well, I'm writing a UI using newt; I'm running into issues. Anyway, thanks. I was just wondering if any of the people who patched the version I have were around. |
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| 09:59.24 | jelly | Bartleby: Linux ecosystem is full of half-assed software with hundreds of buggy corner cases so it's easy to give up. On the other hand, it is not as hard to dig into its open-source entrails and investigate a bit, as opposed to more closed systems. |
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| 09:59.53 | mr_foobar_baz | Hi, I am trying to get 3D accelration with my integrated intel HD4600. I have xserver-xorg-video-intel 2.21 and kernel 3.16, but when I try to launch glxgears I only get Unrecognized deviceID 0x416 \n X Error of failed request: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) ... |
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| 10:00.53 | jelly | Bartleby: it's probably sane to lower your expectations, and with that in mind spend more resources to investigate a particular issue. |
| 10:00.56 | mr_foobar_baz | I tried upgrading to Jessie and then it worked (not sure why though). But then my entire system was much slower and had other issues so I restored a backup of wheezy |
| 10:01.04 | Bartleby | jelly: I've gathered. My point in asking was to determine whether with increased skill, "giving up" reduces to epsilon, or still often remains a neccesary response. |
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| 10:01.36 | mr_foobar_baz | Got any ideas what I can try to get it to work? |
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| 10:01.53 | jelly | Bartleby: the asymptotic analogy is about right IMHO |
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| 10:13.33 | jelly | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 10:13.34 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; sid: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; experimental: 2:2.99.916+git20141119-1~exp1 |
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| 10:13.56 | mr_foobar_baz | jelly: I am using the 2.21 backport |
| 10:14.03 | jelly | mr_foobar_baz: and it does not work? |
| 10:14.09 | mr_foobar_baz | jelly: It says in the xorg log it supports 4600 |
| 10:14.13 | mr_foobar_baz | jelly: it does not |
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| 10:15.06 | jelly | then either there's a bug somewhere, or it doesn't "really" support your card |
| 10:15.36 | jelly | I wonder |
| 10:15.41 | jelly | ,v libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 10:15.42 | judd | Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on i386 -- squeeze: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-security: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-backports: 7.10.3-4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; sid: 10.3.2-1; jessie: 10.3.2-1 |
| 10:16.01 | jelly | no backports for those bits |
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| 10:16.59 | mr_foobar_baz | jelly: yes. I found people having similar errors after upgrading to mesa 9.0, and fixing it by downgrading to 8.0.4 |
| 10:17.20 | mr_foobar_baz | jelly: not sure if that means 8.0.5 is too high though. if it's in stable it should work I guess |
| 10:18.10 | mr_foobar_baz | jelly: do I need a newer libgl1-mesa-dri? |
| 10:18.47 | jelly | mr_foobar_baz: well, you said jessie worked better (with 3d), so that's a point |
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| 10:20.13 | mr_foobar_baz | jelly: true. would it be bad if I temporarily change my sources.list to jessie to install the newer version? |
| 10:20.24 | jelly | I don't track intel gpu support, but when I did, I usually had to upgrade kernel + video-intel + mesa (dri) in lockstep |
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| 10:20.54 | jelly | mr_foobar_baz: don't, mixing stable with anything newer makes a mess |
| 10:21.00 | mr_foobar_baz | ok |
| 10:21.26 | jelly | it might be worth going to jessie and investigating/fixing those other issues |
| 10:22.53 | jelly | or file a bug for the wheezy-backports version and see if the maintainer has an idea of what's going on with that |
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| 10:25.19 | Ozzapoo | I'm trying to update apt but I'm stuck on 100% [Connecting to security.debian.org (128.61.240.73)] |
| 10:25.22 | Ozzapoo | Can anyone help? |
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| 10:26.13 | mr_foobar_baz | jelly: seems to me like getting 3d accel to work on wheezy should be easier. I'll try a newer version of libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 10:27.04 | jelly | mr_foobar_baz: yeah, Debian has some issues with support for hardware that came out in the meantime. |
| 10:27.48 | jelly | Ozzapoo: do you have an entry for security.debian.org in /etc/hosts? That IP address looks out of date |
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| 10:28.45 | Ozzapoo | jelly: No. It's a fresh VPS so I'm not sure what could be wrong |
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| 10:29.25 | jelly | Ozzapoo: pastebin the outputs of "getent hosts security.debian.org" and "dig security.debian.org" |
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| 10:30.22 | jelly | !tell Ozzapoo about paste |
| 10:30.36 | Ozzapoo | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e4058e1d/ |
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| 10:34.18 | Lady_Aleena | is getting too cranky to look at any more web pages with examples. |
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| 10:34.55 | Ozzapoo | jelly: I fixed it by using opendns |
| 10:35.05 | Ozzapoo | Not sure why google dns wasn't working though |
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| 10:35.24 | almyra | Ozzapoo: could it be ipv6? |
| 10:35.29 | waqstar | hi, how can i output the progress of the dd command into a text file? i have a script which does dd copy but i cant see progress |
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| 10:36.17 | jelly | Ozzapoo: I only get 3 IPv4 addresses in the result. |
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| 10:44.52 | mr_foobar_baz | It works now. But I don't know why :P |
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| 10:45.27 | aborrero | hi there |
| 10:45.35 | mr_foobar_baz | aborrero: hi |
| 10:45.41 | aborrero | :-) |
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| 10:50.33 | rom1v | hi |
| 10:50.54 | rom1v | on debian wheezy, "man gcc" does not work. There is no gcc-doc or gcc-doc-base package, and manpages-dev is installed |
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| 10:51.38 | jelly | ,v gcc-doc |
| 10:51.39 | judd | Package: gcc-doc on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 5:3; wheezy/contrib: 5:4; jessie/contrib: 5:4.9.1-3; sid/contrib: 5:4.9.1-3 |
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| 10:51.59 | rom1v | ah, it's in contrib, not in main ! |
| 10:52.23 | jelly | and possibly depends on some stuff in non-free, too |
| 10:52.41 | jelly | ,v gcc-4.7-doc |
| 10:52.42 | judd | Package: gcc-4.7-doc on i386 -- wheezy/non-free: 4.7.2-2; sid/non-free: 4.7.4-1 |
| 10:53.16 | rom1v | ok, why are they non-free? |
| 10:53.19 | jelly | (the thing in contrib is just a metapackage with no content at all) |
| 10:53.29 | jelly | !tell rom1v about GFDL |
| 10:53.56 | jelly | !tell rom1v about gcc-doc |
| 10:54.08 | jelly | didn't know there was a factoid for gcc-doc |
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| 10:56.18 | banjo | waqstar: kill -SIGUSR1 pid |
| 10:56.52 | waqstar | banjo: i tried this and it doesnt work! it displays nothing |
| 10:57.50 | jelly | waqstar: where does your script's stderr go to? |
| 10:58.01 | mr_foobar_baz | jelly: damn. glxgears worked. now steam required some i386 libs and it doesn't work anymore xD |
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| 10:58.37 | jelly | mr_foobar_baz: you'll probably want to go jessie to use latest steam properly anyway |
| 10:58.46 | waqstar | jelly: it does not go anywhere, i havent redirected that to anything |
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| 10:59.06 | jelly | it has to go somewhere! |
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| 10:59.19 | jelly | eg. the controlling terminal by default |
| 10:59.27 | waqstar | jelly: lol, ok. by default where does it go? |
| 10:59.30 | banjo | maybe this: ps aux | awk '/bin\/dd/ && !/awk/ {print $2}' | xargs kill -s USR1 $1 from https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/learn-the-dd-command-362506/ |
| 10:59.44 | jelly | banjo: or pkill -USR1 -x dd |
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| 11:01.07 | waqstar | sending sigusr1 doesnt work. so there is another problem, i.e. what jelly hinted. how can i find out where its taking stderr?? ive not defined anything special regarding this |
| 11:01.21 | mr_foobar_baz | jelly: ok so the significant difference is that it works with libgl1-mesa-swx11, but not with libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 (which steam wanted) |
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| 11:02.13 | jelly | mr_foobar_baz: but doesn't swx11 stand for software rendering |
| 11:02.24 | mr_foobar_baz | jelly: I am trying hard to avoid upgrading to jessie before it becomes stable. Because every time I tried it I got tons of issues |
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| 11:02.30 | mr_foobar_baz | jelly: hm... idk. |
| 11:02.50 | mr_foobar_baz | jelly: yes. damn |
| 11:03.24 | jelly | waqstar: the shell your script is running as might be buffering output and stderr for some reason, in that case you wouldn't see it until it's finished. |
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| 11:03.30 | jelly | try running dd on its own |
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| 11:06.48 | waqstar | jelly: ok ill try |
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| 11:10.20 | hojgaard | Hello folks.. When deploy debian via iPXE and preseed it seems that even though i set d-i netcfg/get_nameservers string 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 my /etc/resolv.conf after installation just uses one (8.8.8.8) probably the one from iPXE... How can i debug this? |
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| 11:37.57 | mr_foobar_baz | jelly: Got it to work now by putting jessie in my sources.list to upgrade libgl1-mesa-dri to 10.3. |
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| 11:38.31 | mr_foobar_baz | jelly: A little messy, but if it works and doesn't create the issues of a full upgrade to jessie... |
| 11:38.33 | micw | where does "dpkg --add-architecture ..." writes the information what architectures are enabled? |
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| 11:40.43 | Brigo | micw, if you want to see them use --print-foreign-architectures and --print-architecture (foreign and main archs) |
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| 11:41.44 | micw | i want to check if one is enabled (preferently by checking if a file exists) to use it as condition in ansioble provisioner |
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| 11:42.06 | virtualizado | Hello people!!! Can someone here teach me the way to open a root program with user without su or sudo? i mean, without the program requiring password to work |
| 11:42.17 | Brigo | micw, let me search |
| 11:42.19 | virtualizado | I guess is something related to crate a group |
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| 11:42.31 | virtualizado | create* |
| 11:42.51 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:43.59 | virtualizado | In this case, i want to mess with PEERGUARDIAN without having to put a root password every time i want to restart or allow something |
| 11:44.02 | Brigo | virtualizado, no, you need setuid |
| 11:44.15 | virtualizado | setuid? |
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| 11:44.29 | Brigo | !tell virtualizado about setuid |
| 11:44.47 | micw | thank you! |
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| 11:45.31 | virtualizado | Thanks brigo!!! So is there a problem if i set the program privilege to my user, do i remove from root? |
| 11:45.38 | virtualizado | or both users remain with same acess? |
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| 11:46.10 | virtualizado | Is insecure to give acess to peerguardian without root for me? (nobody elses touch my physical computer) |
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| 11:47.21 | Brigo | virtualizado, it is not recomended, it is a secure hold every body who login you box will can use it. |
| 11:47.47 | jelly | virtualizado: also, sudo can be configured for passwordless runs |
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| 11:57.57 | virtualizado | Brigo and Jelly, thank you very much!!! |
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| 11:58.36 | Brigo | virtualizado, yw :) |
| 11:58.40 | virtualizado | Noone logs in my box, is just that or i give permission to user to fastly give permission for things that peerguardian blocks or i must turn it off... so better to give acess. |
| 11:58.50 | virtualizado | what comand do i use correctly? |
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| 11:59.02 | virtualizado | the program name is pglgui |
| 11:59.23 | virtualizado | how do i find where is the executable? |
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| 12:06.02 | banjo | virtualizado: which progname |
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| 12:06.57 | banjo | can use which -a too |
| 12:07.27 | virtualizado | peerguardian linux |
| 12:07.32 | virtualizado | name pglgui |
| 12:08.01 | virtualizado | so i need to find where is the executable so i can change permission, then i make a command CHMOD on it? |
| 12:08.32 | virtualizado | banjo: (how do i write a message for you and you see in red, banjo, like you do to me) |
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| 12:09.25 | banjo | virtualizado: 'which pglgui' should give you the path |
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| 12:10.01 | banjo | if you use my name in your message like you did now:) |
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| 12:12.07 | virtualizado | http://pidgin-encrypt.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:12.13 | virtualizado | ops |
| 12:12.23 | virtualizado | i mean /usr/bin/pglgui |
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| 12:12.42 | virtualizado | i know how to go there in terminal console, what command do i put there now to give permission to my user? |
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| 12:14.06 | banjo | virtualizado: what tells you: ls -l /usr/bin/pglgui |
| 12:14.47 | banjo | progs in /usr/bin/ should be executable for normal users |
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| 12:15.12 | banjo | and what is the output of: echo $PATH |
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| 12:17.20 | virtualizado | banjo: well, i execute the program, but every action i made on it i need root permission |
| 12:17.26 | virtualizado | so every action asks me for root password |
| 12:17.33 | virtualizado | not to open it |
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| 12:17.41 | virtualizado | just when i change every option |
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| 12:18.27 | banjo | what is this programm for? some gui programms need root access like synaptic for example |
| 12:18.43 | ZinovaS_w5_ | I'm doing apt-get remove php5-fpm and pachage manager says that apache2_mod_php and other will be INSTALLLED. how can I find out what package couses it? |
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| 12:19.17 | nkuttler | ZinovaS_w5_: try aptitude why php5-fpm |
| 12:19.30 | thepaulofz27 | I noticed something extremely weird today |
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| 12:19.40 | ag4ve__ | so, i'm looking at a new computer and considering video cards - i have bad experience with radeon cards (probably because of what we do with them at $work) |
| 12:20.23 | ag4ve__ | but i'm curious if, as a normal user, i'd notice radeon drivers being more of a mess to deal with than nvidea? |
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| 12:20.30 | thepaulofz27 | I cannot remember creating a user named "dzzmwmxnozmsmao52", and the server has only been running locally without SSH and nginx, php5-fpm etc |
| 12:20.49 | thepaulofz27 | Any idea how I can inverstiage what created this user? or should I just delete it. |
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| 12:20.58 | nkuttler | thepaulofz27: start by figuring out when it's homw was created |
| 12:21.06 | thepaulofz27 | Yes, that is exactly what I want. |
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| 12:22.32 | thepaulofz27 | but I am not sure that is logged |
| 12:22.44 | ag4ve__ | then probably find /var/log ! -iname "*.gz" -0 | xargs -O -i{} egrep -H 'some time frame' {} |
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| 12:29.30 | thepaulofz27 | Oh no |
| 12:29.33 | Floris497 | my debian arm device will not recogenise my android usb theter ‘usb0’ how do i tell debian it is a network device? |
| 12:29.37 | thepaulofz27 | This does not look good, how did he do this. |
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| 12:36.31 | anonunmberanon | aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-driver |
| 12:36.44 | anonunmberanon | Do I have to replace uname in this command by the user name? |
| 12:36.55 | nkuttler | anonunmberanon: no |
| 12:36.55 | anonunmberanon | This is straight from https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#configure |
| 12:37.11 | anonunmberanon | What does it do? |
| 12:37.16 | nkuttler | anonunmberanon: man uname |
| 12:37.53 | anonunmberanon | I see. |
| 12:39.50 | thepaulofz27 | This looks fun |
| 12:40.17 | thepaulofz27 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/9282506/ |
| 12:40.22 | thepaulofz27 | This was 5 minutes after installation |
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| 12:41.37 | hojgaard | does anyone know why a sed command does not work as late_command in preseed? |
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| 12:43.35 | nkuttler | thepaulofz27: um, verify your installer image.. that doesn't look normal |
| 12:43.54 | thepaulofz27 | I grabbed it from Softlayers content server |
| 12:43.56 | nkuttler | thepaulofz27: cross-check though with the dpkg logs.. i'm not aware of any package that generates a random username, but i guess it could happen |
| 12:44.01 | Iridos | looks like an indian name :-} |
| 12:44.10 | thepaulofz27 | So that would be fun |
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| 12:45.02 | ChrisH | my dnsmasqd stopps resolving local hosts (over the resolvers taken from resolv.conf) and ansers nagative from cache. kill -HUP clears all but its unstable. a) ideas to nail that down or b) alternatives to dnsmasqd to forward some domains and reverse lookups via VPN |
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| 12:45.25 | thepaulofz27 | Ah, wait |
| 12:45.37 | thepaulofz27 | It could be a package |
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| 12:47.13 | thepaulofz27 | Yup |
| 12:47.24 | thepaulofz27 | It would be amazing to be compromised without even running sshd |
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| 12:48.30 | hojgaard | does anyone know why a sed command does not work as late_command in preseed? |
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| 12:50.13 | Iridos | ChrisH, write a bug report? Check https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;package=dnsmasq first |
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| 12:51.49 | ChrisH | Iridos: Oh Dear, that list does not look like a well maintained piece of software. |
| 12:52.20 | Iridos | ChrisH, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=710960 |
| 12:53.27 | anonunmberanon | Does "sudo aticonfig --initial" create a file or modifies a file? It says here it will generate the xorg.conf file, is that safe? https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary/Configuration |
| 12:53.48 | anonunmberanon | People here have been saying there is not more xorg.conf though. |
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| 12:55.52 | anonunmberanon | This information above seems to conflict with the information given by the page which it is linked by https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#configure which says that you are supposed to make /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf |
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| 12:56.09 | CountryfiedLinux | How do I install avant-window-navigator? I can't find that package. |
| 12:56.25 | ChrisH | Iridos: With the previous installation I had a fully named running and simply switched the config files upon starting the VPN, worked without any problems. |
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| 13:00.07 | Iridos | judd, versions avant-window-navigator |
| 13:00.08 | judd | Package: avant-window-navigator on i386 -- squeeze: 0.4.0-2 |
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| 13:02.12 | Iridos | Countryfied... oh well |
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| 13:07.08 | virtualizado | banjo: sorry a client came in here |
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| 13:07.50 | virtualizado | banjo: peerguardian is a open source software that uses ip blocklists to block certain kinds of ips. Here are some print screens. http://sourceforge.net/projects/peerguardian/ |
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| 13:08.39 | virtualizado | banjo: but sometimes it blocks something i want to acess, so i must give permission for it to allow that ip. And it asks me for root password every time i need to change some permission. |
| 13:09.07 | adimit | Hi. I'm trying to put emacs24 on my wheezy system (with some pinned jessie packages,) but apt just won't do it. http://pastebin.com/05n43tEB This is what I get with apt-get. I've tried synaptic, I've tried aptitude, and I've tried manually resolving the deps, but I can't figure it out. I'd appreciate any help. |
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| 13:09.38 | virtualizado | banjo: so, even if i can start the program as a user, when i change some option i need the root password.. and i want to allow my user to change options there every 5 minutes without having to type the root password |
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| 13:12.35 | adimit | it seems none of these dependencies are in my repos even though emacs24 (indirectly) depends on them (and I'm not pulling it out of testing.) |
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| 13:16.11 | sandman13 | I have noticed that "dpkg -l" gives me a lot of entries with "rc". How can I remove those entries? |
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| 13:22.22 | sandman13 | found it sorry for posting dumb question :) |
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| 13:23.56 | abrotman | sandman13: the easy way, aptitude purge '~c' |
| 13:24.27 | virtualizado | Hey people! i am on Debian Kde 64. I need to know something: a) i have a program i can execute as a normal user b) when i change some option on it, i need to give my password. c) as i use it too much, i would like to bypass the need to put my password on it every time i need to make changes; The program is peerblock, and there is a command line, "pgl", and a gui, "pglgui". I d) i dont know if the gui asks for password just because it uses "pgl" and "p |
| 13:24.27 | virtualizado | gl" needs root. what do i do to eliminate this problem? |
| 13:24.34 | sandman13 | abrotman: I was going to do this: dpkg --list |grep "^rc" | cut -d " " -f 3 | xargs dpkg --purge |
| 13:24.54 | abrotman | sandman13: that's the long way, but works also, yes |
| 13:25.36 | sandman13 | abrotman: your method is short and sweed |
| 13:25.40 | sandman13 | *sweet |
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| 13:27.37 | bubina | ciao |
| 13:27.47 | delight | I got a question regarding ssh I could not figure out seeking for some help, guidance or a hint: I have this remote host public IP lets say (33.33.33.33) running debian and openssh-server … on it there is a virutalized machine … running on e.g. 10.10.10.10 and providing a service on e.g. port 7000 … |
| 13:27.49 | delight | when I login to the host via ssh it’s no problem to access the virualized box on this port … but what I would love to do is some sort of port forwarding / tunneling via ssh (if possible) … so that I could access that ip 10.10.10.10:7000 directly from my local machine |
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| 13:27.53 | bubina | !list |
| 13:27.54 | dpkg | bubina: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 13:28.28 | delight | to make this clear I can’t / am not allowed to publish/expose that port directly on the host (making it public available) via some iptables port forwarding |
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| 13:29.16 | abrotman | delight: so no ssh reverse tunnel thing? |
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| 13:30.12 | delight | abrotman: I don’t know possibly … all I used to do with ssh up till now is some ssh and scp and using private + pubkeys … so my knowledge is still very limited |
| 13:30.35 | Iridos | delight, well, if you tunnel the port on to your machine it's not "public" as such |
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| 13:30.45 | abrotman | semantics :) |
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| 13:31.01 | delight | Iridos: sounds good … how is that achievable ? |
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| 13:32.40 | delight | do I do this with a ssh comand on my local machine ? |
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| 13:34.39 | ZinovaS_w5_ | nkuttler: thank you! |
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| 13:38.36 | beli | delight: use netfilter and configure some dnat rules |
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| 13:42.59 | ChrisH | delight: man ssh -L should to the trick |
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| 13:47.01 | AlexPortable | Can I get XBMC + Netflix + Steam on debian? Or do i have to install mint or ubuntu for that |
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| 13:47.47 | suexec | I managed to uninstall a package that a s**t ton of other packages relied on. I have managed to restore my system to a working state, but I have no idea what I have lost and what is missing. Is there any way I to figure it out? If I apt-get install stuff, I get a huge list over stuff it wants to autoremove etc.. |
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| 13:48.37 | carandraug | suexec: why don't you just install back the thing that you removed? |
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| 13:48.49 | suexec | I did :P |
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| 13:49.41 | carandraug | suexec: did you mess up with the dependencies of packages to remove it the first time? |
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| 13:50.35 | suexec | carandraug, yes. This is most definitely a case of me being daft. I am just trying to repair it now :P |
| 13:51.11 | carandraug | suexec: if you are unsure of what you did, check the apt logs which will give you hints of what you done so you can undo them |
| 13:51.36 | suexec | What's the command to check the apt log ? |
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| 13:52.54 | jelly | suexec: logs are text files, so you can do eg. "less /var/log/apt/term.log" |
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| 13:53.14 | suexec | ah, that's where they go .. thanks. I'll have a look. |
| 13:53.40 | jelly | suexec: look at the contents of /var/log/apt/, there's other stuff. There's also /var/log/dpkg.log and aptitude has its own |
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| 13:53.58 | suexec | oh damn , haha |
| 13:54.01 | delight | ChrisH: I’ll try ssh -L i did try it before but possibly I was doing something wrong … beli can’t got the netfilter roaad mentioned earlier |
| 13:54.14 | suexec | I'm amazed this computer is even running atm |
| 13:54.16 | eb0t | hey i got a tool the other day for command line download of youtube videos and i have forgotten what it is called ...any ideas ? |
| 13:54.43 | eb0t | it wasnt youtube dl |
| 13:54.51 | eb0t | soemthing much better and cleaner |
| 13:54.57 | suexec | jelly, carandraug , Ok so I found a huge list over stuff that got removed. Can I apt-get install it somehow ? |
| 13:55.48 | abrotman | eb0t: minitube? |
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| 13:55.57 | abrotman | eb0t: apt-cache search youtube |
| 13:56.02 | delight | ChrisH: -L [bind_address:]port:host:hostport] … I don’t get it … so I’ve got the remote host e.g. 3.3.3.3 and in it the vm 10.10.10.10 with port 4444 |
| 13:56.07 | eb0t | ah ok ill try that thanks abrotman |
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| 13:57.02 | eb0t | wow great stuff abrotman its either clive or cclive |
| 13:57.35 | carandraug | suexec: the system is yours to play with. Without more information I can't be of any help. You may need to fix what apt thinks are depencencies of what or it might come back later one day to bite you. |
| 13:57.48 | carandraug | suexec: install them again will probably fix them short term though. |
| 13:58.02 | abrotman | eb0t: Okay, good luck |
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| 14:05.07 | ChrisH | delight: ssh -L 1234:10.10.10.10:7000 33.33.33.33 shpuld open Poprt 1234 in 127.0.0.1 and forwards it to 10.10.10.10 Port 7000 |
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| 14:05.33 | delight | sound good I’ll give it a shot thnx |
| 14:05.54 | delight | I was just reading about ssh -R … but whatever works ;) |
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| 14:06.25 | ChrisH | delight: I normally use .ssh/config like LocalForward 8631 192.168.110.12:631 which opens 8631 with a tunnel to cups on 192.168.110.12 |
| 14:06.36 | ChrisH | delight: -R is the way back.... dangerous |
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| 14:07.06 | delight | alright .. I think I will need a moment to grasp it ..just trying your suggestion first … thnx |
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| 14:09.26 | delight | ChrisH: nice this works flawless appreciate it … so for every port I would want to forward I need to make another ssh -L login ? |
| 14:09.43 | delight | obviously at is is binding the port to localhost somehow |
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| 14:14.27 | beli | delight: why not use linux' firewall and nat/dnat rules? |
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| 14:20.28 | g00se | Is there a better place to ask about getting gksu to behave well as far as showing dialogs is concerned? |
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| 14:22.06 | Brigo | g00se, you can try #gnome, too. |
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| 14:25.28 | g00se | Brigo: Thanks i'll try that too |
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| 14:28.07 | ChrisH | delight: if you need more ports, using ~/.ssh/config is easier. IT might work with multiple -L options |
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| 14:29.46 | suexec | carandraug, I wrote a tiny script that's restoring the packages now.. I reckon it should probably work fine .. :) |
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| 14:31.17 | koolfy | Ok, there is something I fundamentally don't understand with unattended-upgrades. |
| 14:31.24 | koolfy | here it is: |
| 14:31.44 | koolfy | Unattended-Upgrade::AutoFixInterruptedDpkg "false"; |
| 14:32.02 | koolfy | this means it should blacklist any packages hore conffiles don't match those described in the package |
| 14:32.07 | koolfy | whose* |
| 14:32.52 | koolfy | so I modified /etc/rsyslog.conf |
| 14:33.02 | koolfy | but when I run it, I get this: |
| 14:33.37 | koolfy | conffile line: '/etc/rsyslog.conf 169baf73fd49d20d142d088e663a9a63' |
| 14:33.39 | koolfy | current md5: ba5186fa297a03428b2e36f482444f3f |
| 14:33.41 | koolfy | pkg_md5sum: 169baf73fd49d20d142d088e663a9a63 |
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| 14:34.02 | koolfy | so it does *not* match. So it should be blacklisted. Even the source code agrees with that prediction. |
| 14:34.07 | koolfy | But no, oh no. |
| 14:34.14 | koolfy | blacklist: [] |
| 14:34.32 | koolfy | Packages that are upgraded: apt bash dpkg dselect gnupg gpgv libapt-pkg4.12 libc-bin libc6 libdbus-1-3 libgcrypt11 libgnutls26 libgssapi-krb5-2 libk5crypto3 libkrb5-3 libkrb5support0 libssl1.0.0 libtasn1-3 locales multiarch-support rsyslog wget |
| 14:34.39 | koolfy | note the presence of rsyslog |
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| 14:35.21 | koolfy | I can't even understand how in the source code it can not blacklist rsyslog for upgrade when the AutoFix option is at false and the md5 DOESN'T MATCH |
| 14:35.31 | koolfy | how is it posible ? help :( |
| 14:36.50 | delight | ChrisH: -L worked perfectly thank you so much … esp. on the example that made it clear to me … I’ll have a look at .ssh/config |
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| 14:46.04 | koolfy | I think I got it |
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| 14:57.26 | Sniperfox47 | I have a question regarding Linux on ARM targets. The ARMhf line only makes use of VPF3-D16 right? So if a device has access to full VPF3 or VPF4 it won't make use of those features, will it? I just wanted to double check. What ARM features does HF actually support? |
| 14:57.31 | ChrisH | delight: its the same there. replace -L with LocalForward and replace the first : with a blank |
| 14:57.44 | RayzrShrp | anybody know what this means being repeated over and over in my logs |
| 14:57.46 | RayzrShrp | Nov 27 00:06:14 shogun sshd[10662]: fatal: Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer [preauth] |
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| 14:59.13 | ChrisH | RayzrShrp: most probaby some is probing your sshd with weird stuff |
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| 14:59.49 | RayzrShrp | ChrisH: no doubt russian and chinese hackers |
| 14:59.54 | RayzrShrp | ChrisH: or botnets |
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| 15:00.55 | ChrisH | RayzrShrp: you might want to use fail2ban or iptables to block these IPs |
| 15:01.05 | RayzrShrp | ChrisH: yep already am |
| 15:01.39 | RayzrShrp | ChrisH: i wish there was an easy way to just block all ips from asia |
| 15:01.47 | Brigo | but i think those are not ips, but local sockets, like some logged user are trying to become root. |
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| 15:02.18 | Brigo | RayzrShrp, use port knocking |
| 15:02.19 | RayzrShrp | Brigo: no that would trigger failed sudo or chroot |
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| 15:02.53 | RayzrShrp | Brigo: i am the only user on this box |
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| 15:03.54 | Brigo | RayzrShrp, may be this= http://serverfault.com/questions/583355/ssh-issues-read-from-socket-failed-connection-reset-by-peer |
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| 15:06.16 | RayzrShrp | Brigo: sounds plausible, so might be aholes on the internet trying to find a cipher to exploit on my system since passwords are disabled |
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| 15:08.11 | ChrisH | RayzrShrp: the good times were telnet was sufficent are gone... |
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| 15:08.42 | RayzrShrp | ChrisH: it just amazes me how every attack seems to come from china |
| 15:08.47 | Brigo | RayzrShrp, look at http://www.cipherdyne.com/fwknop/ |
| 15:09.00 | Brigo | well, they are more :) |
| 15:09.19 | RayzrShrp | and complaining to their hosts is pointless since they straight up ignore you |
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| 15:14.25 | kRush | just move up 2 ports, problem solved |
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| 15:16.43 | Gaddafi | I installed teamspeak using this command: chmod u+x ./TeamSpeak3-Client-Linux_x86-3.0.1.14.run after that, I typed this: ./TeamSpeak3-Client-Linux_x86-3.0.1.14.run and thats's it. Now, I want to delete teamspeak. Can I simply rm -rf on the folder? Will that delete ALL files from teamspeak or no (any other system files that might got installed with teamspeak)? |
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| 15:17.37 | lanodan | Hello I got error with apt-get (I think my perl is broken) http://paste.debian.net/133998/ |
| 15:18.04 | Brigo | Gaddafi, ask teamspeaker. I sure their web will tell you something. |
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| 15:18.13 | ChrisH | Gaddafi: you need to ask such a question to the one who provides teamspeak and second such question should be raised before installing 3rd party stuff |
| 15:18.28 | alazare619 | systemctl enable (service name) = systemctl command not found |
| 15:18.31 | alazare619 | on current version of debian |
| 15:19.11 | Gaddafi | Hmm, I thought uninstall proccess is almost the same for all :P Whell, thanks anyway Brigo ChrisH |
| 15:19.15 | alazare619 | version 7.7 kernel 2.6.32 |
| 15:19.52 | lanodan | Gaddafi: you can remove it, teamspeak store its configuration in a dot folder of your home |
| 15:20.15 | Brigo | alazare619, the default init in 7.7 is initd no systemd, use service or update-rc instead. |
| 15:20.20 | towo` | alazare619, update-rc.d servicename defaults |
| 15:20.25 | Gaddafi | dot folder? lanodan |
| 15:20.49 | lanodan | something like .teamspeak or a .config/teamspeak |
| 15:20.54 | Brigo | Gaddafi, a folder leader for a dot, you can seethem with ls -a |
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| 15:22.09 | Gaddafi | found it. can I delete that along with the program itself? |
| 15:22.15 | Gaddafi | will after that be any other files left? |
| 15:23.33 | lanodan | Yes if you want to delete everything concerning teamspeak |
| 15:23.38 | mtn | Gaddafi: when you install stuff from a 3rd party, how it is installed is completely up to the thing you are installing. there is no "normal" way. |
| 15:24.10 | Gaddafi | ok thanks everyone :) |
| 15:24.16 | delight | ChrisH: .ssh/config is simply awesome … can also take many LocalForward options |
| 15:24.19 | mtn | Gaddafi: if you use debian's package manager, then it is done in a certain way. |
| 15:24.24 | delight | very cool |
| 15:25.01 | Gaddafi | mtn don't know what is that to be honest :) I am using antix distro based on debian wheezy if I am correct |
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| 15:25.23 | mtn | Gaddafi: oh, well that is not even supported in this channel! |
| 15:25.43 | lanodan | Anyway is there someone to help me with my apt-get/dpkg/perl problem ? |
| 15:26.17 | Gaddafi | why not? mtn it is still based on debian distro |
| 15:26.28 | Brigo | lanodan, if you try to install it again do you get the same output? |
| 15:26.39 | lanodan | yep |
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| 15:26.41 | mtn | Gaddafi: channel rules. we don't know what they do to their distro. |
| 15:26.45 | towo` | !tell Gaddafi based on debian |
| 15:26.53 | Brigo | Gaddafi, this is the debian support channel not for 'based on debian' |
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| 15:27.55 | Gaddafi | well, you helped me and thank you for that :) |
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| 15:40.00 | estg11 | !ubuntu |
| 15:40.00 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 16:02.09 | Bierdieb | Hello Debian Community. |
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| 16:04.00 | bbtech | I just did a netinstall, rebooted and was dropped to the prompt. Netinstall didn't install much because it didn't try to use my wifi card. |
| 16:04.12 | bbtech | So, how do I get the wifi card setup so I can install the basic packages? |
| 16:04.18 | Bierdieb | Does one know an easy way to set number-block status always on by default? |
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| 16:05.15 | mtn | bbtech: I tend to use this for that very reason: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
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| 16:05.27 | itt788 | I'm trying to install debian wheezy on a computer (ppc), I set another computer as a server and connected it to the one that is going to be installed debian so that the installer downloads the needed packages from internet directly. The server in fact is configured to IP masquerading the internet connection. My problem is that the debian despite having set the server as the default gateway doesn't access the internet while I can pin |
| 16:05.27 | itt788 | g the internet router from it. |
| 16:06.53 | bbtech | mtn, is there one of those for testing (jessie) ? |
| 16:07.22 | mtn | bbtech: no, just dist-upgrade after installing wheezy. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
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| 16:07.39 | mtn | bbtech: at least I don't think there is one ;) |
| 16:08.22 | bbtech | mtn, looks like there is |
| 16:08.23 | bbtech | mtn, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/jessie_di_beta_2/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 16:08.45 | bbtech | mtn, thanks I didn't know that was an option! |
| 16:09.00 | itt788 | There's an already installed linux on that ppc which accesses internet via the IP masquerading computer, its default gateway is automatically set to the internet router but not the server, I don't know why it doesn't have the default gateway as the debian installer. I tried to set the default gateway in the debian installer to the internet router using "ip route add default via xx.Xx.xx.xx" but it says error. |
| 16:09.13 | mtn | !tell bbtech about testing installer |
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| 16:10.34 | bbtech | mtn, ah, that is where I went wrong |
| 16:10.37 | bbtech | mtn, thanks again! |
| 16:10.49 | mtn | bbtech: welcome |
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| 16:13.48 | JIghtuse | Hey folks |
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| 16:14.23 | JIghtuse | Is it possible to search installed packages for specific tags (i.e. implemented-in) ? |
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| 16:15.54 | sdg | Hi |
| 16:16.21 | sdg | Why such a significant difference? http://pastie.org/9748875 |
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| 16:16.45 | sdg | What do all of the 'recommended' packages do there? |
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| 16:17.29 | ChrisH | sdg: what does lsb_releas -a show? |
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| 16:17.35 | ChrisH | lsb_release -a |
| 16:18.46 | sdg | Chris7mas, I've got Debian Jessie |
| 16:18.49 | sdg | lol |
| 16:19.02 | sdg | ChrisH, |
| 16:20.09 | intento | Pos yo quiero hacer una casa y no sé cómo! |
| 16:20.46 | intento | sorry I mistoo # |
| 16:22.26 | intento | I wanna run iceweasel from diferent user. I made "xhost local:" su to those user and call iceweeasel. But I haven't flashpluguin in this user. Where is the group to allow user to use flashplugin?? |
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| 16:55.49 | banjo | intento: dont know really what you mean, but if you install flashplugin-nonfree it should be avauleble for all users |
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| 16:56.45 | banjo | maybe activate in addons->plugins |
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| 16:57.53 | anonunmberanon | Is it safe to disable xrandr? Is it even running at all times? Even when I configure ;my dual monitors and it looks right using the proprietary driver, when I restart it always goes back to cloned monitors mode, is this because of xrandr? |
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| 16:59.38 | srged | how do I find out the device name for my video an audio (for VLC) |
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| 17:04.47 | srged1 | How can I fix this? http://paste.debian.net/134065/ |
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| 17:07.16 | banjo | srged1: lspci gives info and does the default not working? video you could try with x11. for audio if using alsa look at alsamixer then F6 |
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| 17:13.38 | srged1 | banjo: I just want to get my webcam working on VLC |
| 17:14.29 | banjo | srged1: sorry, dont have such device |
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| 17:15.30 | srged1 | banjo: first of all i need to enter the video device name |
| 17:15.59 | srged1 | banjo: and as u can see above, it seems i have non. eh? |
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| 17:17.51 | banjo | i dont think that vlc wants something from /dev/ |
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| 17:18.37 | srged1 | banjo: i was just following tips from here http://xmodulo.com/live-stream-video-webcam-linux.html |
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| 17:21.45 | banjo | srged1: ok i see. maybe some driver is missing. does otherwise your webcam works |
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| 17:23.24 | srged1 | banjo: never tested my webcam |
| 17:23.49 | anonunmberanon | man RandR is really evil |
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| 17:23.54 | srged1 | i mean, under debian. which i instaled like half years back |
| 17:24.08 | banjo | what model is it? |
| 17:24.23 | intento | I think vlc use some dev for conect to vga, video |
| 17:24.35 | intento | and xconsole |
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| 17:25.32 | srged1 | banjo: its the builtin webcam of my sony vaio |
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| 17:26.10 | banjo | srged1: tells lspci something about your cam? |
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| 17:26.57 | srged1 | banjo: http://paste.debian.net/134073/ |
| 17:27.36 | minnesotags | #debianfork |
| 17:27.47 | intento | before I asked something related to call icewasel frome another user using xhost local: |
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| 17:28.04 | minnesotags | #devuan |
| 17:28.17 | intento | and then iceweasel cannot use flashplugin (that I've already installed) |
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| 17:29.19 | banjo | srged1: dont see something for cam. but like i said. ive never worked with a webcam |
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| 17:33.09 | anonunmberanon | Man I have the AMD catalyst GUI configuring my 2 monitors and writing a nice xorg.conf file and it's really cool and when I log out or restart. My screens always revert to cloned mode every time. |
| 17:33.22 | megahaxor | http://bit.ly/1pw80IO |
| 17:33.32 | Shadow_7 | if it's a usb webcam the uvc video stuff should apply. With the /dev/ being something like /dev/video0 |
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| 17:33.43 | srged1 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G86 [GeForce 8400M GT] (rev a1) |
| 17:33.53 | srged1 | Shadow_7: its the builtin of the laptop |
| 17:34.05 | Shadow_7 | srged1: most times those are on a usb bus |
| 17:34.08 | banjo | anonunmberanon: using xfce? |
| 17:35.13 | Shadow_7 | in either case, dmesg should show some information about it and a driver if it was recognized by one |
| 17:36.17 | srged1 | Shadow_7: http://paste.debian.net/134075/ |
| 17:36.31 | srged1 | here's hpw gmesg looks like |
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| 17:38.59 | banjo | Shadow_7: its his builtin cam from sony vaio |
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| 17:39.55 | banjo | ah sorry:) |
| 17:40.01 | banjo | missed it |
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| 17:42.12 | coffio | Hi, I would like to find some docs or any kind of info really on my problem |
| 17:42.14 | Shadow_7 | srged1: 05ca:183b - UVC non-compiance... |
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| 17:42.22 | coffio | I'd like to run a script on the debian installer |
| 17:42.27 | Shadow_7 | doesn't look like a supported webcam |
| 17:42.37 | srged1 | :(( |
| 17:42.38 | coffio | this script downloads and install some packages, is it possible? |
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| 17:44.38 | Shadow_7 | srged1: the r5u870 driver "might" work if it has some special chipset. google on that vendor:device |
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| 17:47.52 | srged1 | Shadow_7: so my webcam isr5u870? |
| 17:48.46 | Shadow_7 | srged1: "some" devices sold under the vender:device is r5u870... yours "might" be one of them. |
| 17:49.33 | Shadow_7 | srged1: sudo modprobe r5u870 && dmesg | tail -n 20 |
| 17:50.02 | srged1 | Shadow_7: FATAL: Module r5u870 not found. |
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| 17:51.38 | coffio | Can anyone help me? |
| 17:52.20 | bumbar | i copied libraries from one machine to another (to avoid building them), set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH to libs folder and am getting an error: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-close.c: 743: _dl_close: Assertion `map->l_init_called' failed! |
| 17:52.54 | bumbar | they're both using intel, not sure about the model - does it have to be the same? |
| 17:55.37 | Shadow_7 | srged1: doesn't seem to be in the debian repos. github.com/3pei/r5u870 might help, but old and not fully implemented and abandoned. |
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| 18:13.10 | bumbar | i've installed libs to /usr/local/lib and added to path and am getting an error saying it can't open shared object |
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| 18:14.26 | Tau | hello. i installed nodejs but it seems i dont have npm. i tried to install npm however it seems there is no package. |
| 18:14.29 | Tau | i'm using wheezy. |
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| 18:14.42 | Tau | and debian 7.7. |
| 18:15.12 | greycat | bumbar: run ldconfig (as root) to update the cache |
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| 18:16.54 | bumbar | greycat, thanks |
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| 18:19.04 | hjolt | Tau: npm is only in sid and jessie; you will have to install it from there |
| 18:19.58 | hjolt | Tau: whichever one you choose, you should probably install the nodejs package from the same source package |
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| 18:27.07 | hjolt | what would cause the mouse cursor to be invisible in some xsessions but not others, for instance running the default gnome session I can see the cursor fine. Running my mixed i3 and gnome session makes the cursor invisible for some reason |
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| 18:48.23 | robert__ | Has anyone got netflix running inside of CHROME or CHROMIUM using HTML5 on an ARM7 processor? Did you use sid or testing? |
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| 18:56.04 | ShalokShalom | hi there, please can anybody help me: Card-2: Intel PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection driver: iwlwifi IF: wlan0 state: down mac: 00:26:c6:76:b3:c4 |
| 18:56.10 | ShalokShalom | wlan is not working, wheezy |
| 18:56.21 | ShalokShalom | new install |
| 18:57.14 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: lspci -nn - what's the ID? |
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| 18:57.52 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: Usually Intel doesn't have any problems. |
| 18:57.55 | ShalokShalom | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection [8086:4237] |
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| 18:58.16 | ShalokShalom | jhutchins: yes, i know, thats exactly the reason, why i am stunning |
| 18:58.19 | zteam | Hi all! |
| 18:58.23 | ShalokShalom | hi :) |
| 18:58.37 | zteam | Anybody here familiar with ddrescue ? |
| 18:58.39 | jhutchins | ,pciid 8086:4237 |
| 18:58.40 | judd | [8086:4237] is 'PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4237 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 18:59.02 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: So what have you done to try to bring it up? |
| 18:59.09 | ShalokShalom | nothing |
| 18:59.10 | zteam | or someone which has deep filesystem and partiton knowledge |
| 18:59.13 | ShalokShalom | install the iso |
| 18:59.23 | ShalokShalom | dont work in live mode as well |
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| 19:00.04 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: Does it show up in Networkmanager? |
| 19:00.11 | zteam | Because I made a backup with ddrescue, from a failing harddrive to a new one, but I can't get it to work |
| 19:00.14 | ShalokShalom | as anavailable |
| 19:00.22 | ShalokShalom | unavailable |
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| 19:00.33 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: Is NM running? |
| 19:00.42 | ShalokShalom | I guess |
| 19:00.47 | ShalokShalom | network works :) |
| 19:00.51 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: Note that the daemon is not the same as the interface applet. |
| 19:00.58 | ShalokShalom | ah |
| 19:01.10 | ShalokShalom | i guess the interface applet depends on the daemon ? |
| 19:01.20 | ShalokShalom | how to check please ? |
| 19:01.23 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: To function properly, yes. |
| 19:01.28 | ShalokShalom | ah, ok |
| 19:01.30 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: ps ax |
| 19:01.30 | ShalokShalom | ofc |
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| 19:02.18 | ShalokShalom | http://pastebin.com/xwPwcEG7 |
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| 19:02.51 | ShalokShalom | i think i dl the jessie installer |
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| 19:03.31 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: Line 70 |
| 19:03.43 | ShalokShalom | ah ? |
| 19:03.52 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: That's usually a bad idea, but let us proceed. You have two dhclients running for eth0. |
| 19:04.13 | ShalokShalom | huh ? |
| 19:04.27 | ShalokShalom | what to do ? |
| 19:04.39 | ShalokShalom | .. /usr/sbin/NetworkManager |
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| 19:05.09 | jhutchins | Is the wired interface working? |
| 19:05.22 | Bierdieb | im trying to watch this video via iceweasel: http://www.kraftfuttermischwerk.de/blogg/mit-einer-drohne-ueber-tschernobyl-postcards-from-pripyat/ |
| 19:05.40 | Bierdieb | but for some reason it hangs and does only play sounf |
| 19:05.41 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: I presume it is and you're pasting from it. |
| 19:06.00 | ShalokShalom | ? |
| 19:06.04 | ShalokShalom | what i can do now ? |
| 19:06.33 | ShalokShalom | yes, the wired network works |
| 19:06.49 | jhutchins | Bierdieb: Probably just load on the server. |
| 19:06.56 | Bierdieb | so i tried troubleshooting like on https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#Troubleshooting |
| 19:07.15 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: Does eth0 show up in NM? |
| 19:07.29 | Bierdieb | enbling hw accleration and all this shit without success |
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| 19:07.42 | ShalokShalom | you mean wired ? yes |
| 19:07.44 | Bierdieb | really? serverload? |
| 19:07.49 | Bierdieb | omg |
| 19:07.52 | Bierdieb | thx |
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| 19:08.15 | jhutchins | Bierdieb: Yeah, I have a gigabit connection and the video is slow and jerky. |
| 19:09.02 | Bierdieb | well the buffer runs up to 100% and still its hanging |
| 19:09.12 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: I think I might shut off the wired connection in NM and see if one or more of the dhcp instances goes away and if one doesn't, if you still are connected. |
| 19:09.18 | Bierdieb | i assumed flashplayer issue therefor |
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| 19:09.27 | Bierdieb | so it may be a crappy codec |
| 19:09.30 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: If there's something odd going on there that might throw off the wifi management. |
| 19:09.59 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: then I'd be asking how the wifi card shows up in NM, and if it responds to anything. |
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| 19:10.20 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: If this is a fresh install, I might just reboot it again - sometimes new installs take a few cycles to sort themselves out. |
| 19:10.27 | ShalokShalom | i disconnect and nothing other happens |
| 19:10.28 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: I know none of that is very scientific. |
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| 19:10.43 | ShalokShalom | its a fresh install and i run already updates and reboot |
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| 19:11.04 | ShalokShalom | one more ? |
| 19:11.23 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: The other approach is to shut down NM and step through the console management tools, iwconfig, iwlist, etc. |
| 19:11.30 | depesz | Hi. I made test install of stable, updated, migrated to testing. And now I'd like to play with lvm snapshots, but when doing 'lvcreate --size 1G -n snap -s /dev/big/home' I'm getting '/dev/big/snap: not found: device not cleared; Aborting. Failed to wipe snapshot exception store.' Any idea what am I missing? |
| 19:11.37 | jhutchins | !wifi |
| 19:11.37 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 19:11.38 | depesz | udev is working. and there is free space in the vg |
| 19:11.41 | ShalokShalom | to complicated.. |
| 19:11.51 | ShalokShalom | i try jessie |
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| 19:12.56 | Brigo | depesz, did you create the VG? |
| 19:12.59 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: jessie is just going to break things and not have security support. |
| 19:13.03 | greycat | depesz: is there 1G of unallocated space for the snapshot? |
| 19:13.08 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: An intel card isn't going to work any differently under it. |
| 19:13.10 | depesz | Brigo: yes. of course. |
| 19:13.12 | depesz | greycat: yes. |
| 19:13.26 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: Also, the jessie installer is for testing the installer, not for installing jessie. |
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| 19:13.44 | ShalokShalom | that is enough security for my goal: http://testing-security.debian.net/ |
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| 19:13.51 | Brigo | depesz, it looks like some kind of lvm miss configuration, but not sure. |
| 19:14.23 | ShalokShalom | WLAN works on this device with KaOS and openSUSE, so i am pretty sure, that it can work on Jessie. |
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| 19:14.46 | ShalokShalom | jessie is in freeze, thats enough for me |
| 19:15.02 | depesz | Brigo: i found this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343671 |
| 19:15.10 | depesz | but I don't have mentioned file in mty /etc/udev |
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| 19:17.31 | jhutchins | ShalokShalom: I'm running wheezy with an intell wifi right now. |
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| 19:17.46 | ShalokShalom | and ? |
| 19:18.14 | jhutchins | I think it's just a matter of setting it up properly, not having different software. |
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| 19:20.00 | Brigo | depesz, can you find the VG and the LV under /dev ? /dev/disk-by-uuid for example? |
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| 19:22.14 | depesz | Brigo: yes. i can. lv on this vg works without any problems |
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| 19:26.21 | Brigo | depesz, try to put the -s before the -n option |
| 19:26.58 | greycat | I have a backup script that uses "lvcreate -L 8G -n snap -s ebase-adm/pg-ebase" on wheezy. Haven't tried jessie. |
| 19:27.14 | depesz | Brigo: same problem |
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| 19:27.41 | depesz | i didn't test on stable, as I plan on working on testing, and it got me unhappy |
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| 19:29.28 | Brigo | depesz, the error is very weird, why does it need to find /dev/big/snap? that is why i think there is a problem with the lvcreate line. |
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| 19:31.15 | depesz | i basically copied it from some docs |
| 19:31.25 | depesz | the error is the same as was reported couple of times on the web |
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| 19:31.31 | depesz | but nowhere I found solution I could use |
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| 19:31.58 | Brigo | depesz, are you using jessie + systemd? |
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| 19:35.12 | depesz | it's simply updated to testing. |
| 19:35.15 | depesz | checkiung if it's systemd |
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| 19:35.30 | depesz | i don't think so - pid 1 is "init" |
| 19:35.41 | Brigo | depesz, you can test systemd, then :D |
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| 19:35.50 | depesz | how? |
| 19:35.54 | Velho | hello folks! I just installed Av Linux in my dual boot pc: Windows + ubuntu. Av Linux was installed in the Ubuntu partition and I messesd up the grub. I get this message: error: file '/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found, and I have a "grub rescue>" in the screen. How can I RECOVER THE GRUB and open Av Linux + Windows in my dual boot pc? thanks for the help! ;) |
| 19:36.10 | Brigo | install it! of course. |
| 19:36.20 | ompaul | what is av linux |
| 19:36.25 | Brigo | !ubuntu |
| 19:36.25 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 19:36.26 | ompaul | is it based on debian |
| 19:36.26 | greycat | sounds like not debian |
| 19:36.27 | jelly-home | depesz: and what does this /sbin/init point to? |
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| 19:36.49 | ompaul | greycat: :-) ah please I want my fun Brigo nearly took it away |
| 19:36.52 | ompaul | !based on debian |
| 19:36.52 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 19:36.56 | depesz | jelly-home: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 36992 Jul 14 2013 /sbin/init* |
| 19:37.07 | depesz | dpkg -S /sbin/init -> sysvinit |
| 19:37.07 | dpkg | Package: /sbin/init -> sysvinit: Status: install ok installed |
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| 19:37.20 | ompaul | Velho: guess what, if your distro was called debian it would be the same as this channel, ;-) |
| 19:37.50 | Velho | ompaul, http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html |
| 19:38.35 | jelly-home | depesz: eyup, then it's not systemd (yet) |
| 19:39.09 | greycat | So upgrading to jessie isn't actually finished until you've installed systemd and then rebooted?> |
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| 19:39.23 | greycat | Maybe I should ask the bot a few things. |
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| 19:40.14 | ompaul | !dontbreakdebian |
| 19:40.14 | dpkg | it has been said that dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 19:40.34 | ompaul | greycat: ^^ short list of really great clues |
| 19:41.03 | phogg | But but... breaking Debian is how I learn all the really cool stuff they don't put in the tutorials! |
| 19:41.23 | Velho | Brigo, ompaul thanks! Did you read the problem in the question The problem is ONLY in the grub |
| 19:42.07 | phogg | I think I've done all of those, except #5 and maybe #9 |
| 19:43.32 | depesz | jelly-home: i never said it is. |
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| 19:44.28 | jelly-home | depesz: but this is: ps -ffp 1 -> root 1 0 0 Nov09 ? 00:00:08 /sbin/init, ls -la /sbin/init -> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Sep 28 21:05 /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd |
| 19:44.32 | ompaul | Velho: if it was debian we could help you but no idea what way they do things on that distro |
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| 19:44.57 | jelly-home | depesz: so you can have jessie with a pid 1 named "init" that is not sysvinit. |
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| 19:48.12 | ompaul | Velho: go read page 35 of their manual and then go check out their irc channels if they have one and try their forum or you could just save a lot of bother install debian and at least we know what is on the box and can most likely help |
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| 19:52.09 | eb0t | hey why do i need xinitd to run tftp server |
| 19:52.16 | eb0t | what has it got to do with anything |
| 19:52.37 | valdyn | eb0t: xinetd, not xinitd |
| 19:52.47 | valdyn | eb0t: and you could use any inetd |
| 19:52.50 | eb0t | ah yes thats it valdyn |
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| 19:53.07 | greycat | tftpd doesn't contain the start-up code to open a listening socket and so on. It relies on inetd (or one of the variants) to do that. |
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| 19:53.33 | greycat | A lot of the smaller traditional daemons are like that. telnetd, several ftpd implementations (but not all). |
| 19:53.46 | eb0t | ah ok ...maybe that is my issue then....i was trying to start up atftpd and it says starting but when i look for listening ports there is no server there |
| 19:53.53 | valdyn | eb0t: inetd is one way to centralise stuff that *all* network daemons have to do anyway into a single place |
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| 19:54.25 | Velho | ompaul, thank you som much!! Should I type these commands in a live CD or in the "grub rescue>" ? |
| 19:54.32 | pingfloyd | eb0t: this is what its got to do with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inetd#Function |
| 19:54.36 | eb0t | ah so when you run the tftpd server it just automatically knows to call upon xinetd |
| 19:54.49 | valdyn | eb0t: no, in |
| 19:54.51 | greycat | No, that's backwards. |
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| 19:54.59 | valdyn | eb0t: no, inetd controls tftpd, not vice versa |
| 19:55.11 | greycat | When you run xinetd, it reads a config file that says "start listening services for these daemons: ..., tftpd, ..." |
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| 19:55.25 | eb0t | ah ok.. |
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| 19:55.55 | eb0t | hey im going to do some reading on the matter..thanks a lot for the info valdyn greycat and pingfloyd |
| 19:56.15 | pingfloyd | eb0t: also read up on tcpwrapper |
| 19:56.20 | pingfloyd | *tcpwrappers |
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| 19:56.39 | pingfloyd | eb0t: as chances are you'll want access control over that |
| 19:57.11 | eb0t | ah ok...ill check that out also thanks pingfloyd |
| 19:57.19 | ompaul | Velho: you've missed a key point, use debian if you want help. There are places where you might find help for that distro. Search for how to fix grub and then make good choices. |
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| 19:57.37 | ompaul | Velho: try #linux |
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| 20:09.17 | Bierdieb | Ive a general question: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/gnome-applets ive installed that package hoping to earn a statusbar applet on gnome desktop. Nothing happened so far. As a newbie, where is the hint for me how to use the package ive installed? |
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| 20:09.51 | greycat | I don't do GNOME, but in general you would start by reading files in /usr/share/doc/packagename |
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| 20:10.10 | Bierdieb | aha |
| 20:10.23 | greycat | If your package has a command you can run, then you can also read that command's man page. |
| 20:10.25 | Bierdieb | okay. thats good to know! |
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| 20:11.40 | dontknow | Bierdieb, you need to install gnome-shell-extensions for that |
| 20:12.00 | dontknow | and ad remmove extensions by using gnome-tweak-tool |
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| 20:12.33 | Velho | hello |
| 20:13.21 | mtn | Bierdieb: you may need to get the extension from the gnome extensions website |
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| 20:16.21 | dontknow | Bierdieb, it is best to get rid of gnome |
| 20:17.07 | mofino | what's a gnome? |
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| 20:19.09 | Bierdieb | well i just got used to it. what would you prefer? i like something nice for the eye. transparent windows and that recourcekilling stuff. |
| 20:19.48 | dontknow | Bierdieb, kde maybe |
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| 20:20.00 | mofino | Bierdieb, use what you prefer, just that gnome is causing grief for some |
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| 20:21.42 | dontknow | i prefer xfce |
| 20:21.49 | Bierdieb | i tried to get that system running kde while installation.... that failed somehow. and im not really in the modd to kill soemething (again) trying to change default desktop. |
| 20:22.41 | mtn | Bierdieb: nothing wrong with gnome if you like it. |
| 20:22.48 | Bierdieb | and: yeah for me its nerdy stuff to add something like a little cpu graph on the status bar |
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| 20:23.07 | mofino | not even nerdy man... ;) |
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| 20:23.34 | mofino | maybe switch to binary clock :) |
| 20:23.44 | Bierdieb | im at the point i need to download extensions from a website?! |
| 20:23.46 | dontknow | Bierdieb, you are looking for this extension https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/120/system-monitor/ |
| 20:23.59 | Bierdieb | aha, thx |
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| 20:28.20 | tikifreek | If I wanted to learn what each item I see when I boot was, where would I go? |
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| 20:29.51 | dontknow | tikifreek, what do you mean? |
| 20:30.13 | greycat | In wheezy, start by looking in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 20:30.13 | hassoon | i dontknow |
| 20:30.25 | Bierdieb | i need to downlad the plugin i like to where? its a zip, and if its content is needed to stay at some place it should not be my downloads folder...? |
| 20:31.32 | dontknow | Bierdieb, you just need to enable it in browser |
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| 20:31.50 | Bierdieb | Whut? |
| 20:32.13 | dontknow | Bierdieb, you can alt+f2 and type "r" without quote to restart gnome shell |
| 20:32.53 | dontknow | Bierdieb, enabling it in browser installs the extension |
| 20:33.08 | dontknow | isn't there a enable switch? |
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| 20:33.52 | Bierdieb | No. |
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| 20:34.08 | Bierdieb | We cannot detect a running copy of GNOME on this system, so some parts of the interface may be disabled. See our troubleshooting entry for more information. |
| 20:34.16 | Bierdieb | ITS nerdy stuff. really |
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| 20:36.19 | mtn | Bierdieb: click on the troubleshooting, it will tell you how to turn it on. |
| 20:36.49 | dontknow | Bierdieb, open zip file and tell me what is in there? |
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| 20:38.18 | Bierdieb | Folder called gnome-shell-system-monitor-applet-master |
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| 20:41.16 | dontknow | Bierdieb, do what i say exactly: install gnome-tweak-tool. after that extract that zip to somewhere. there is a folder called "system-monitor@paradoxxx.zero.gmail.com" inside it |
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| 20:41.45 | Bierdieb | ok so far |
| 20:41.47 | fynite | what's the deal w/ debian lately? |
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| 20:42.31 | dontknow | use "sudo cp -r system-monitor@paradoxxx.zero.gmail.com /usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions/" |
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| 20:43.04 | dontknow | after that open gnome-tweak-tool and enable the extension |
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| 20:43.34 | mofino | dontknow, seems like a mess |
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| 20:43.58 | fynite | @mofino it's more then a mess. |
| 20:44.06 | mofino | oh i know... |
| 20:44.39 | dontknow | Bierdieb, sorry, before open gnome-tweak-tool use alt+f2 and write "r" in it and enter |
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| 20:45.17 | isaac_ | Could anyone tell me if I'd be able to install Debian on this laptop? http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-X205TA-DH01-11-6-inch-Laptop-Dark/dp/B00OBA5AZU/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1417144903&sr=1-3 |
| 20:45.20 | dontknow | mofino, it sucks :p |
| 20:45.27 | fynite | @issac_ yep |
| 20:45.29 | isaac_ | I think it might not be able to because it comes with windows 8.1 and that secure boot bullshit |
| 20:45.50 | dontknow | it is easy on arch tough because aur has it |
| 20:46.26 | dontknow | isaac_, you can looat at h-node.org first |
| 20:46.49 | dontknow | look* |
| 20:46.58 | isaac_ | Ok will do, thanks |
| 20:47.55 | isaac_ | Searching for the model name doesn't bring anything up. Does that mean it won't, or just that no one knows yet? |
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| 20:48.24 | mofino | isaac_, if the laptop has a real BIOS, that should help |
| 20:48.26 | filenox | isaac_: can't you disable it in bios? |
| 20:49.31 | isaac_ | Not sure, I haven't bought it yet, I just want it if I can put linux on it. The reviews on amazon are saying it only supports 32-bit UEFI so it's a pain in the ass to get a linux distro on it |
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| 20:50.17 | dontknow | isaac_, it is a database provides what hardwares laptops works with free software or not |
| 20:50.18 | mofino | isaac_, yeah, the computing world is locking down hardware now |
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| 20:50.37 | mofino | isaac_, they could, ya know, just disable firmware updates from user space... |
| 20:50.58 | isaac_ | It really sucks they're doing this :( |
| 20:51.21 | dontknow | isaac_, you can get a laptop works with free software by using that database which would be a wise choice |
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| 20:51.25 | mofino | chromebooks for everyone!!11 |
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| 20:51.38 | mofino | dontknow, pretty absurd |
| 20:52.04 | dontknow | mofino, why? |
| 20:52.24 | isaac_ | I just wanted a cheap netbook esque laptop. This one's $100 at staples today. |
| 20:52.26 | dontknow | it would be work without need blobs |
| 20:52.38 | mofino | dontknow, just that a website is needed to even know if your hardware is usuable or not |
| 20:53.05 | Bierdieb | well... i can enable the extention in the tweak tool, but it doesnt show effect |
| 20:53.17 | isaac_ | http://www.amazon.com/review/R2JJZZSPCO9OHH/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00OBA5AZU This guy is saying it needs some work arounds. Does it sound like it would be a pain in the ass to do, to you guys? |
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| 20:53.49 | dontknow | Bierdieb, use alt+f2 stuff? |
| 20:53.54 | Bierdieb | there are more than one extensions choosable now |
| 20:54.04 | Bierdieb | y did alt f2 r |
| 20:54.19 | mofino | 32bit UEFI doesn't mean you need a 32bit OS |
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| 20:55.24 | dontknow | Bierdieb, are you sure you exabled the right extension? if there is more extension it means it installed gnome-shell-extensions package also. so ther eshould be two different system monitor extension in it now |
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| 20:56.03 | sunbeam | hi, does anyone know if there is a trick that someone can use that sends e-mail messages, and anyone that he adds in cc the mail does not arrive |
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| 20:56.06 | sunbeam | any idea how this can be done? |
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| 20:56.30 | dontknow | one of them is that you installed and another one can be shown where command+m section |
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| 20:58.07 | Bierdieb | thats what i call nerdy. if ure not deep inside configuring a machine the whole day,... id never get through that without help.... |
| 20:58.39 | Bierdieb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:59.03 | mofino | Bierdieb, probably better off asking #gnome at this point |
| 20:59.06 | bsdbeard | anyone familiar with mutt? http://termbin.com/etwa this is my mailcap, I have auto_view text/html set in muttrc, when I "view-attach" I expect it to show it in mutt (use the copiousoutput rule), but it uses the other "needsterminal" rule, what did I do wrong? |
| 20:59.21 | dontknow | Bierdieb, ridiculous |
| 20:59.26 | bsdbeard | #mutt doesn't seem to know |
| 20:59.34 | greycat | bsdbeard: I use it, but not to that extent. There is a #mutt channel. |
| 20:59.48 | bsdbeard | :-( |
| 20:59.51 | greycat | If #mutt doesn't know, #debian surely won't. |
| 21:00.09 | bsdbeard | it's a slow channel, maybe nobody knowledgable is on |
| 21:00.22 | dontknow | Bierdieb, i gave the basics rest is up to you. |
| 21:00.38 | Bierdieb | well thx dontknow |
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| 21:01.38 | bsdbeard | as much as I love mutt the whole mailcap system is a mess :/ |
| 21:02.23 | Arven | I have installed pidgin-otr in debian, and there appears to be no "Off-the-record" plugin in pidgin |
| 21:02.25 | mtn | Bierdieb: installing extensions from the gnome extensions site is extremely simple. |
| 21:02.33 | Arven | it's completely missing... I imagine it's just broken in jessie, but it doesn't even appear |
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| 21:03.32 | Bierdieb | its so simple, that it doesnt work... lol |
| 21:04.23 | mtn | Bierdieb: works for millions |
| 21:04.31 | Bierdieb | started the tool as root ... so there was no extesion section. better without sudo. |
| 21:04.42 | mtn | Bierdieb: I told you what to do to turn the installing feature on. |
| 21:05.04 | Bierdieb | but still, enabling the systemmonitor does not change anything |
| 21:05.11 | dontknow | Bierdieb, you shouldn't hae started it with root! |
| 21:05.37 | Bierdieb | y my fault |
| 21:06.52 | Bierdieb | the other extensions appear. just not the systemmoniter.. argh. |
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| 21:10.02 | dontknow | Bierdieb, actually i installed and enabled it just as i said recently |
| 21:10.11 | dontknow | on debian jessie |
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| 21:11.51 | Bierdieb | the other extensions do appear. thats weired |
| 21:13.04 | dontknow | Bierdieb, send me "ls -l /usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions/" |
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| 21:17.27 | kale | hi, i'm trying to install debian. the installer requires a firmware file. Where does the installer look for this file? |
| 21:18.05 | Bierdieb | http://paste.debian.net/134107/ |
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| 21:18.40 | greycat | Bierdieb: your non-root user doesn't have read/exec permissions on that system-monitor one |
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| 21:19.56 | greycat | I'm reluctant to suggest a find|chmod solution without knowing more about these gnome thingies, though. |
| 21:19.58 | dontknow | Bierdieb, you copied the wrong file "drwx------ 5 root root 4096 Nov 28 21:45 gnome-shell-system-monitor-applet-master" |
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| 21:20.10 | bsdbeard | dpkg firmware images |
| 21:20.11 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 21:20.13 | bsdbeard | kale, ^ |
| 21:20.14 | mtn | kale: I like to use this installer: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
| 21:20.26 | bsdbeard | mtn, hah! |
| 21:20.35 | kale | bsdbeard: found placing it under /lib/firmware worked |
| 21:20.38 | dontknow | Bierdieb, you chould copy the file inside it "system-monitor@paradoxxx.zero.gmail.com" |
| 21:20.38 | mtn | bsdbeard: :) |
| 21:21.06 | Bierdieb | ./o\ |
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| 21:22.01 | dontknow | and it should have "drwxr-xr-x" if not people here help bye |
| 21:24.31 | tikifreek | Anyone here use webmin? |
| 21:24.48 | towo` | !anyone |
| 21:24.48 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 21:28.13 | tikifreek | In what context is webmin typically used? |
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| 21:30.27 | mtn | search engines must be down again |
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| 21:31.14 | tikifreek | wonders where to go when he'd rather just ask someone |
| 21:31.57 | mtn | tikifreek: local street corner? |
| 21:33.36 | towo` | tikifreek, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+webmin |
| 21:33.36 | Bierdieb | http://paste.debian.net/134110/ |
| 21:33.41 | tikifreek | mtn: nah, every time I go down there, there's some fool going on about how teh interwebz must be down... |
| 21:33.45 | Bierdieb | now ive got this onwe |
| 21:34.07 | Bierdieb | still something wrong... |
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| 21:35.30 | tikifreek | towo`: I know what it is. I want to know how it gets used by ppl who know what they're doing (i.e. do you put it on everything because it's so convenient, or do only use it on headless machines..... how does it fit into your workflow?) |
| 21:35.32 | Bierdieb | there seems to be a problem with the permissiond |
| 21:36.14 | greycat | tikifreek: people who know what they are are doing do not use it. |
| 21:36.21 | towo` | [22:28:13] <tikifreek> In what context is webmin typically used? does not fit your last answer |
| 21:36.28 | linuxator | which Debian is rolling release? |
| 21:36.48 | mtn | Bierdieb: that's what you get for installing it manually ;) |
| 21:36.51 | towo` | tikifreek, webmin is broken by design, that's why it is not in debian |
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| 21:37.20 | tikifreek | greycat: aah |
| 21:37.22 | tikifreek | towo`: howso? |
| 21:37.41 | towo` | how what? |
| 21:37.52 | tikifreek | towo`: what about it deign is flawed? |
| 21:38.03 | towo` | use a search engine |
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| 21:38.10 | Olof_szary | Hello. I need help. Just downloaded testing-kde-cd and trying to install debian in configuration: boot;windows;LUKS |
| 21:38.23 | Olof_szary | and LVM with debian on luks |
| 21:38.25 | towo` | tikifreek, this is a debian support channel |
| 21:38.40 | Olof_szary | bu i am confused about partitioning options |
| 21:38.45 | tikifreek | greycat: good old ssh then huh? |
| 21:39.13 | greycat | Absolutely. |
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| 21:39.34 | tikifreek | towo`: me wondering where to go was sincere... Ive been trying it out on debian so i figured there may be some ninjas lurking |
| 21:39.57 | Olof_szary | any idea how to do it? |
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| 21:45.25 | Olof_szary | This is the 1st time that i have to admit that debian is not user friendly |
| 21:47.00 | Bierdieb | doesnt work right now. and im pissed a bit. ill go get some sleep and give it another try later. thx anyways |
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| 21:48.54 | bsdbeard | is scared of LUKS |
| 21:49.33 | Olof_szary | I was using bare LUKS on my last hdd |
| 21:49.40 | kale | Olof_szary: its not that hard, doen any linux installs before? |
| 21:50.02 | Olof_szary | gentoo/debian/centos |
| 21:50.25 | batata | what is your doubt Olof_szary? |
| 21:50.49 | kale | Olof_szary: ok, you'll just need an unencrypted /boot partition which has the space for your kernel and initrd. rest out you space can be one large partition encrypted with luks |
| 21:51.06 | Olof_szary | i am trying do do LVM-on-LUKS during debian instalation |
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| 21:51.19 | Olof_szary | not LUKS-on-LVM |
| 21:51.21 | batata | that much I got from you first message |
| 21:51.29 | kale | Olof_szary: running raid? or is this a single disk? |
| 21:51.38 | Olof_szary | laptop, single hdd |
| 21:52.03 | Olof_szary | i did mostly the same on centos and that works just fine |
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| 21:52.18 | batata | what did you do? |
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| 21:52.57 | Olof_szary | Stating instalation up to partitioning |
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| 21:53.08 | kale | Olof_szary: well (debian only), sda1 -> boot (256M), sda2 luks (remaining space), on luks lvm. it takes some time to figure out how the installer understands this. but its doable. i'm installing this right now. |
| 21:53.09 | batata | if you plan on keeping winblows, that needs further tinkering on debian partitioning scheme... |
| 21:53.51 | Olof_szary | i woud like: prim boot 150M, prim ntfs 300G, log Luks rest of the hdd |
| 21:53.54 | porton | After buying an UPS and installation nut-server and nut-client at my PC and configuring the ports and the protocol, do I need to adjust time and/or percentage parameters, to be sure my computer will be turned off automatically after a reasonable time after failing electricity? |
| 21:54.25 | Olof_szary | and then, on that luks partition, create LVM group |
| 21:54.35 | Olof_szary | with root and home |
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| 21:54.42 | kale | Olof_szary: is your other os installed? |
| 21:54.49 | Olof_szary | no |
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| 21:55.11 | Olof_szary | i manage to overwrite it ust 10 min ago |
| 21:55.17 | batata | so you need to free up disk space, encrypt the desired partition then create a physical volume for lvm inside the encrypted luks partition |
| 21:55.39 | kale | Olof_szary: might be easier to install that first, but you can do it the other way around, but will have to redo bootloader installaton afterwards |
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| 21:56.02 | batata | if you've overwritten your previous OS, then you need to install it first |
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| 21:56.22 | Olof_szary | batata: I know that. What i do not know is how to set it up in debian installer |
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| 21:56.43 | Olof_szary | + i do not want to overwrite it again, i will do grub setup later on |
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| 21:57.00 | batata | manual mode on partition procedure |
| 21:57.06 | Olof_szary | ok |
| 21:57.21 | Olof_szary | now i have both primary and free spae |
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| 21:58.15 | Olof_szary | batata: what now? |
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| 21:58.40 | batata | create a new partition on the free space |
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| 21:59.14 | batata | and encrypt it |
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| 21:59.37 | batata | if you push some random data in it, it will take a while |
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| 22:00.54 | linuxator | which other distros are rolling release? |
| 22:01.03 | Olof_szary | i have options: configure raid, configure logic volume mnager, configure crypted volumes + the list where i could create any prtition |
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| 22:02.18 | batata | well then what do you want to do now, configure raid, configure logic volume mnager, configure crypted volumes? |
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| 22:03.13 | Olof_szary | as I said, i would like to have LVM-on-LUKS |
| 22:03.57 | BuFF | hey, i was wondering is there a repository for network-manager? |
| 22:04.36 | Olof_szary | i assumed that i have to make luks (crypted volume) first, then do sth with it, but for some reason, after creating the partition in the table, there is no password prompt |
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| 22:05.39 | Olof_szary | oh gosh. with CTRL+ALT+F2 after first hitting create crypted volume, I have access to cryptsetup |
| 22:05.56 | Olof_szary | maybe i will manage it now... hopefully |
| 22:06.38 | kale | Olof_szary: is this the only computer you have? |
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| 22:06.58 | Olof_szary | no, i am now on the other one |
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| 22:08.23 | kale | Olof_szary: just boot up the install on the target, ask whenever you get stuck |
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| 22:09.02 | Olof_szary | now i am stuck on disk partitioning stage |
| 22:09.16 | kale | Olof_szary: allright what partitions did you make? |
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| 22:09.36 | Olof_szary | kale: sda1 - boot and sda2 for win |
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| 22:09.54 | kale | Olof_szary: you would need an additional partition for luks |
| 22:09.55 | Olof_szary | and now i should do sda5 for luks |
| 22:10.05 | Bierdieb | thx n gn8 for now! |
| 22:10.09 | kale | Olof_szary: just use the remaining space for that |
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| 22:10.45 | Olof_szary | kale: i know the theory, as I said, I did the same on CentOS, But the debian installator is bugging me |
| 22:11.23 | kale | Olof_szary: well... i cannot guide you if you co not tell me what the problem is |
| 22:12.10 | Olof_szary | if i create crypted volume it says: inactive |
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| 22:12.28 | Olof_szary | and i do not know how to activate it nor how to create lvm on it |
| 22:12.56 | kale | Olof_szary: did you use the menu item in the top saying something like "set up encrypted devices" ? |
| 22:12.58 | batata | can't you toggle that flag? |
| 22:13.30 | Olof_szary | yes |
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| 22:14.02 | kale | Olof_szary: so you picked that partition and it asked for a luks key? |
| 22:14.12 | kale | picked sda5? |
| 22:14.32 | Olof_szary | no, it did not, dont know why, still says inactive |
| 22:15.16 | batata | weird Olof_szary |
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| 22:15.44 | kale | Olof_szary: pick the "set up encrypted partition" again select sda5 |
| 22:15.48 | Olof_szary | sometimes it says that there was an error with configuring crypted volume |
| 22:16.13 | Olof_szary | on tty3: device-mapper ioctl error adding target to table |
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| 22:17.11 | batata | so _maybe_ it is trying to create something after sda5? |
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| 22:17.36 | batata | did you try kale's tip? |
| 22:17.39 | kale | during debian installation, what do i do when i get an efi message |
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| 22:17.41 | Olof_szary | still, i have like 150G unalocated after sda5, should't be an issue |
| 22:17.50 | Olof_szary | like 5 times |
| 22:18.19 | beardman | can anyone tell me why libsdl2 is not available via aptitude? |
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| 22:18.41 | kale | Olof_szary: try from cmdline "cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sda5 " |
| 22:19.07 | Olof_szary | what are the options for 256 blowfish? |
| 22:19.18 | Olof_szary | do you remember? |
| 22:20.27 | beardman | Sorry, to be more specific, I'm trying to install libsdl2, but aptitude is showing no results when I search for that, just libsdl and others |
| 22:20.34 | Olof_szary | hmm, for standart system maybe aes is sufficient, nvm |
| 22:20.41 | kale | Olof_szary: not really, this is only to test if its possible to make the partition ready |
| 22:20.47 | valdyn | judd: versions libsdl2-2.0.0 |
| 22:20.48 | judd | No package named 'libsdl2-2.0.0' was found in i386. |
| 22:20.52 | Olof_szary | k |
| 22:20.58 | kale | Olof_szary: sorry, but i have to reboot to check efi settings in my bios, will take a couple of minutes |
| 22:21.06 | valdyn | judd: versions libsdl2-2.0-0 |
| 22:21.07 | judd | Package: libsdl2-2.0-0 on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 2.0.0+dfsg1-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.0.2+dfsg1-5; sid: 2.0.2+dfsg1-6 |
| 22:21.16 | valdyn | beardman: ^^ |
| 22:21.34 | beardman | valdyn: so I have to use one of those three repo sources to get it? |
| 22:21.54 | valdyn | beardman: im guessing you are using wheezy, so wheezy-backports is right for you |
| 22:22.56 | beardman | valdyn: Yes thank you! |
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| 22:25.05 | beardman | valdyn: Ok I enabled the backports repo source and now I can find libsdl2-2.0-0, but when I try to install it I get the following error: |
| 22:25.05 | beardman | No candidate version found for libsdl2-2.0-0 |
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| 22:26.26 | valdyn | beardman: run "apt-cache policy libsdl2-2.0-0" and show us |
| 22:27.13 | valdyn | beardman: or uh, just run "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install libsdl2-2.0-0" |
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| 22:28.48 | beardman | valdyn: On your first command I get "Installed: (none) Candidate: (none)" and on the second command I get |
| 22:29.02 | beardman | E: The value 'wheezy-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 22:29.31 | Olof_szary | via commandline it was ok. luksOpen and status are working perfectly |
| 22:29.31 | valdyn | !backports |
| 22:29.31 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 22:29.48 | valdyn | !debian-backports |
| 22:29.48 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 22:30.09 | valdyn | !tell beardman -about wheezy backports |
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| 22:34.39 | kale | Olof_szary: interesting, i'm at the disk partitioning in a minute |
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| 22:37.09 | Olof_szary | kale: after luksOpen, pvcreate on /dev/mapper and vgcreate, i can add voluments in the instalator |
| 22:37.20 | kale | Olof_szary: thats what i thought |
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| 22:37.33 | kale | Olof_szary: it is possible in the installer though |
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| 22:37.55 | Olof_szary | hmmm |
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| 22:38.35 | kale | how would i go about setting up an efi partition, and how do i make my system boot using that? |
| 22:39.18 | mofino | kale, a grub boot partition? |
| 22:39.27 | kale | mofino: yes |
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| 22:39.45 | mofino | create the partition and set the grub_boot flag on it using parted |
| 22:39.58 | mofino | you're doing this because grub needs more space? |
| 22:39.59 | kale | mofino: is it not possible from the installer? |
| 22:40.16 | mofino | kale, should be possible, can install parted, i believe |
| 22:40.18 | kale | mofino: i'm doing this because i want my system to be able to boot |
| 22:40.41 | mofino | alright well, grub boot partitions are specifically if you do not have enough space to fit the bootloader |
| 22:40.57 | mofino | i took a guess, thinking it's wrong |
| 22:41.18 | Olof_szary | kale: now only one question remains. After the instalation, will system try to mount /dev/sda5 on /dev/mapper |
| 22:41.36 | Olof_szary | or do I have to rewrite grub.d |
| 22:42.01 | kale | Olof_szary: depends on what you did. did you create an lvm volume for your / filesystem inside the luks partition? |
| 22:42.45 | Posterdati | hi |
| 22:42.46 | Olof_szary | yes |
| 22:43.48 | kale | Olof_szary: then it should be fine. the initrd will ask for the passphrase |
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| 22:44.23 | Olof_szary | kale: thanks a lot. I will know in like half hour |
| 22:44.40 | kale | Olof_szary: just skip desktop environment, pull that in later |
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| 22:48.48 | anonnumberanon | Fresh install. My sound is not working. It was working this morning though. |
| 22:48.51 | kale | mofino: its a raid patition type FD so how can it be grub_boot at the same time? |
| 22:49.04 | mofino | need another partition if you need grub_boot |
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| 22:49.11 | mofino | can be like 16MB |
| 22:49.31 | kale | mofino: does it have to reside on primary disk? |
| 22:50.02 | mofino | kale, i believe so, my partitions is only 1MB |
| 22:50.11 | mofino | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.11 | ethercable | I get this on my Debian Wheezy installation: trustAnchors parameter must be non-empty |
| 22:50.29 | mofino | kale, this might not be related to your problem though, since you mentioned EFI |
| 22:50.36 | mofino | kale, i just guessed... |
| 22:51.44 | kale | did not find EFI partition. go back to partitioning. is what i get from the installer |
| 22:51.54 | mofino | ahh ok i understand |
| 22:52.01 | mofino | is your system EFI based? |
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| 22:52.42 | kale | mofino: yes, i was unable to find anything in bios to disable efi |
| 22:52.56 | mofino | kale, ahh too bad, nothing about using a legacy BIOS? |
| 22:53.10 | mofino | kale, also, do you know if your EFI is 32bit or 64bit? |
| 22:53.19 | kale | mofino: new laoptop, been in bios only once |
| 22:53.37 | ethercable | ERROR: Loading command: install (OpenSSL::X509::StoreError) |
| 22:53.39 | ethercable | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.39 | mofino | alright well try to get it running under a tradional BIOS if you can |
| 22:53.40 | ethercable | ERROR: While executing gem ... (NoMethodError) |
| 22:53.42 | ethercable | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.48 | ethercable | How can I fix this? :( |
| 22:54.03 | mofino | ethercable, you didn't even provide context |
| 22:54.05 | kale | mofino: traditional bios? you mean flash the bios? |
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| 22:54.18 | ethercable | mofino: when I run a java program I get this |
| 22:54.34 | mofino | kale, no, traditional meaning a regular BIOS, not an EFI BIOS, it's sometimes called Legacy BIOS |
| 22:54.42 | mofino | ethercable, how does this related to debian? |
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| 22:54.57 | ethercable | mofino: because it uses debian java |
| 22:55.07 | kale | mofino: i'll check for legacy in the bios, any other keywords i should look for? |
| 22:55.08 | ethercable | mofino: some config or path thing I guess, distribution related java |
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| 22:55.30 | mofino | ethercable, seems like an application problem, not a debian packaging / java bug problem |
| 22:55.42 | mofino | kale, that's all i can think of |
| 22:55.48 | ethercable | mofino: hm :( |
| 22:55.49 | Olof_szary | ethercable: form what i recall, there are 2 java's on debian Some programs does not work with one of them |
| 22:55.56 | kale | mofino: ok, i'll have a look, thanks |
| 22:56.07 | ethercable | Olof_szary: oh |
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| 22:56.50 | phy1729 | anyone else noticing transient DNS problems with security.debian.org? |
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| 22:57.27 | mofino | ethercable, debian wheezy? |
| 22:57.45 | Olof_szary | ethercable: https://wiki.debian.org/Java/ |
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| 22:59.06 | Olof_szary | ethercable: if you have time/hdd space try go for sun-java6 and then update-java-alternatives |
| 22:59.08 | mofino | Olof_szary, yeah good point, he may need Sun Java |
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| 23:02.06 | ethercable | Olof_szary: just did that, including update-alternatives. Still doesn't work :( |
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| 23:03.18 | mofino | ethercable, might not be a java problem then, maybe double check that it's calling the right java version |
| 23:03.41 | Lady_Aleena | hopes IceWeasel opens and works this time. |
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| 23:04.35 | Olof_szary | ethercable: quick google search gave: http://askubuntu.com/questions/261914/install-ruby-2-0-with-openssl-and-readline-support |
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| 23:06.08 | Lady_Aleena | head desks, Iceweasel isn't loading correctly. |
| 23:06.59 | Lady_Aleena | And now it wants me to open it in safe mode or reset it! |
| 23:09.11 | Olof_szary | Lady_Aleena: ? |
| 23:09.20 | Lady_Aleena | How many times do I have to terminate the Iceweasel process to get it to open correctly? |
| 23:09.47 | Olof_szary | Lady_Aleena: maybe try to mv .mozilla .mozilla_backup |
| 23:10.03 | Olof_szary | and then run and check if some config is corrupted |
| 23:10.07 | gnu_srs1 | (and in this channel everybody is happy with systemd as default): May you prosper, and be happy for life :) |
| 23:10.25 | gnu_srs1 | see you in next galaxy |
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| 23:10.37 | bsdbeard | gnu_srs1, wot |
| 23:10.52 | kale | Lady_Aleena: 5 more :-) |
| 23:10.55 | Lady_Aleena | Olof_szary, the config is fine, it is Firefox which won't end the process immediately after hitting the X in the upper right hand corner. |
| 23:11.31 | Olof_szary | kill it with fire.. or with -9 |
| 23:12.01 | Lady_Aleena | It has never misbehaved this badly before. |
| 23:12.16 | centrx | spank -9 |
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| 23:12.26 | kale | what is the required size for an efi boot partition? |
| 23:13.41 | somiaj | kale: big enough to hold all the different oses you want to boot from it |
| 23:13.46 | Lady_Aleena | I'll try a reboot. |
| 23:13.52 | somiaj | I think mine is 256 megs, but you can get away with smaller |
| 23:14.04 | kale | somiaj: installer just told me, at least 35megs. |
| 23:14.20 | kale | whats going to be in that partition? regular /boot? |
| 23:14.25 | gnu_srs1 | sorry bsdbeard: noise level is way too high! |
| 23:14.40 | somiaj | kale: no, it is a speical fat16 (maybe fat32) partition that your bios reads |
| 23:14.41 | bsdbeard | gnu_srs1, I CAN'T HEAR YOU |
| 23:15.01 | somiaj | kale: basically grub puts a small thing in there that the bios reads and boots from. The that thing looks at your /boot normally |
| 23:15.13 | gnu_srs1 | 1589 people connected, that's insane |
| 23:15.32 | bsdbeard | That's over 9000! |
| 23:15.40 | kale | somiaj: thank god for UEFI, i'm feel so happy i have that ... |
| 23:15.59 | eb0t | hey i can see what tcp wrappers does ...but what is the point in using tcpwrappers when you can put your allowed hosts and denied hosts in iptables |
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| 23:16.11 | eb0t | and tcp wrappers is normally used in conjunction with iptables |
| 23:16.47 | eb0t | i can see a good use for it with xinitrd ..but thats about all |
| 23:17.05 | eb0t | xinetd |
| 23:17.09 | gnu_srs1 | bsdbeard: And how do you manage serious proposals? |
| 23:17.42 | gnu_srs1 | or discussions? |
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| 23:18.03 | somiaj | kale: I belive you can elmiate grub completely and just boot the kernel you want directaly with the info in the EFI partition. Though I suggest using grub-efi as it gives you the normal grub interface and automatically sets things up when y ou install/remove kernels. |
| 23:18.52 | kale | somiaj: yes, i need grub for my initrd and saving my ass when i screw up kernels etc |
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| 23:20.19 | bsdbeard | gnu_srs1, with great care |
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| 23:21.06 | Olof_szary | and the final moment, Will the system start? |
| 23:21.19 | bsdbeard | somiaj, why would you want to boot without grub? I mean are there any benefits at all? |
| 23:21.44 | Olof_szary | ... |
| 23:22.23 | Lady_Aleena | It took a reboot and a shut down for IceWeasel to finally work right. |
| 23:22.48 | Lady_Aleena | This is one of the reasons I hardly shut it down. |
| 23:23.04 | Olof_szary | and the answer is no. /dev/mapper not found |
| 23:23.06 | Olof_szary | dam |
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| 23:26.06 | bsdbeard | Olof_szary, borked your system? |
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| 23:27.19 | Olof_szary | semi-manual instalation at lvm-on-luks -> initramfs not configured prperly, boot fails |
| 23:27.40 | valdyn | eb0t: see http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/tcp-wrappers-hosts-allow-deny-tutorial/ |
| 23:28.30 | eb0t | yes vladyn thanks all that information given earlier was fantastic |
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| 23:29.06 | eb0t | i can set it all up now ..but i wondered what the point of tcp wrappers was and i was told its for security in depth |
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| 23:29.24 | eb0t | as ip tables does a similar thing..but if firewall is compirmised its another layer of protection |
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| 23:29.50 | eb0t | but thanks again valdyn |
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| 23:30.09 | valdyn | eb0t: see that site, it can do some things that iptables cannot and vice versa |
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| 23:30.25 | eb0t | thanks im reading it now |
| 23:31.02 | valdyn | eb0t: main reason for both existing may just be historic though. Tcpwrappers is probably much older. |
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| 23:31.26 | Aybbtu | hi need help installing a bz2 |
| 23:31.41 | eb0t | ah ok...but this is real interesting stuff the inetd and tcp wrappers and iptables |
| 23:31.53 | valdyn | Aybbtu: read the documentation contained in that archive |
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| 23:34.51 | micechal | how can I setup an account like the one nginx set ups for itself? |
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| 23:35.00 | micechal | sets up |
| 23:35.13 | valdyn | micechal: read the manpage to useradd |
| 23:35.20 | tim__ | Hello, I am using debian wheezy with gcc 4.7. Is there any way to change the default compiler back to 4.4? |
| 23:35.30 | micechal | valdyn: ok |
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| 23:35.44 | tim__ | Currently 4.4 and 4.7 are installed |
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| 23:36.03 | valdyn | micechal: users / groups have a numeric id, certain numeric ranges are for persons, others for system users, like nginx |
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| 23:36.16 | micechal | yes, I saw some documentation |
| 23:36.39 | srged1 | I think my builtin webcam is not supported by debian. can anyone help? |
| 23:36.58 | valdyn | micechal: you can see the ranges in /etc/adduser.conf |
| 23:37.14 | jhutchins | !webcam |
| 23:37.14 | dpkg | For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>. See also <quickcam>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <m560x-driver>, <w9968cf>, <pwc>, <sn9c20x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam |
| 23:37.17 | bsdbeard | Olof_szary, is the LUKS container header stored only in the beginning? Or it's also duplicated at the end of the container? It would suck to lose all your data if the beginning becomes corrupt |
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| 23:37.44 | srged1 | jhutchins: thx |
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| 23:37.45 | valdyn | micechal: maybe you can also use adduser for this , just dont create a system user like a regular one, which would be done if you just ran "adduser nginx", which would be just wrong |
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| 23:38.08 | micechal | that's what I did a couple of minutes ago |
| 23:38.14 | micechal | and it seemed wrong |
| 23:38.27 | valdyn | micechal: theres, "adduser --system" |
| 23:38.28 | ruby-issues | hi I have a file A.txt that has around 50 files that have spaces between them that i want to replace with %20 can i do this with grep ? |
| 23:38.28 | micechal | indeed |
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| 23:39.03 | ruby-issues | something like egrep -v '^[[:space:]]*$' A.txt ? |
| 23:39.08 | micechal | valdyn: I guess I should add these too? "[--disabled-password] [--disabled-login]" |
| 23:39.31 | valdyn | micechal: yea |
| 23:39.45 | valdyn | micechal: (not sure that is needed if you used "adduser --system" |
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| 23:40.01 | micechal | is it possible to see all the "parameters" of existing account? |
| 23:40.11 | micechal | so I could just duplicate it with different name |
| 23:40.13 | valdyn | micechal: cat /etc/passwd |
| 23:40.39 | valdyn | micechal: you can edit that file directly if you want, but that is dangerous |
| 23:40.42 | micechal | the line with nginx says "nginx:x:101:105:nginx user,,,:/nonexistent:/bin/false" |
| 23:41.22 | micechal | but that doesn't say too much on the properties, like if one can login to such account |
| 23:41.29 | micechal | and if it has disabled password, etcetra |
| 23:41.56 | valdyn | micechal: its not possible to disable logins directly, that is why you use /bin/false, which is a dysfunctional login shell |
| 23:42.13 | Olof_szary | bsdbeard: how to add this at the end? |
| 23:42.47 | phy1729 | ifupdown seems to take interfaces down based on the current configuration rather than the configuration the interface was brought up with. Will this be fixed or is there a workaround? |
| 23:43.15 | valdyn | micechal: similar for the password, its not "disabled", but its nonexistant between two ",". Same result, you cannot match that password |
| 23:43.45 | micechal | between two commas? |
| 23:43.52 | valdyn | micechal: yes |
| 23:43.57 | micechal | how does that work? |
| 23:44.42 | valdyn | micechal: sorry, that was wrong info, the password is in /etc/shadow |
| 23:46.12 | micechal | valdyn: do you thikn this would be appropriate? http://hastebin.com/iyamehutun.hs |
| 23:46.25 | srged1 | how can I see the name of the video device of my debian system? |
| 23:47.06 | kale | srged1: lspci |
| 23:47.33 | Olof_szary | srged1: lspci | grep -i VGA |
| 23:47.36 | valdyn | micechal: probably yes |
| 23:47.44 | micechal | thanks |
| 23:48.35 | srged1 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G86 [GeForce 8400M GT] (rev a1) |
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| 23:50.30 | srged1 | how can i fix this http://paste.debian.net/134122/ |
| 23:51.11 | valdyn | srged1: what do you want to do with that video device? |
| 23:51.24 | valdyn | srged1: ( i mean what do you think its good for ) |
| 23:51.26 | srged1 | valdyn: I want to record via webcam |
| 23:51.28 | Olof_szary | have you instaled the drivers? |
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| 23:51.50 | valdyn | srged1: the device node would show if you had the proper drivers loaded |
| 23:52.29 | srged1 | device node? |
| 23:52.44 | valdyn | srged1: /dev/video0 is called "device node" |
| 23:53.38 | srged1 | valdyn: ls: cannot access /dev/video*: No such file or directory |
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| 23:54.05 | valdyn | srged1: yes, i told you, it would be there if you had the proper drivers loaded, but you do not. |
| 23:55.14 | valdyn | srged1: of course, the webcam has to be plugged in too |
| 23:55.25 | srged1 | valdyn: valdyn its builtin webcam |
| 23:55.42 | srged1 | how do i go about finding the right drivers? |
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| 23:55.59 | valdyn | srged1: google it |
| 23:56.15 | valdyn | srged1: i dont know, *I* would know how to google it |
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| 23:57.48 | jhutchins | srged1: So look at that link from dpkg, use lspci to find out what the chipset is, follow the links for that chipset. There aren't that many options, and they generally work. |
| 23:58.07 | srged1 | ok |
| 23:58.14 | jhutchins | srged1: Those that are supported in Linx are supported in Debian. |
| 23:59.09 | jhutchins | srged1: I had dpkg resend the factoid as a private message. |
