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00:08.00anothernameunderhey guys i just restart my debian jessie now damn thing is missing the network card ;( It was just fine before the restart, any recommendation? Am I bitten by systemd stuff?
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00:09.11Roland-happened to me as well
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00:09.16Roland-what card do you have?
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00:13.45justanot1eruserIs there a reason I should use a backport over just downloading the software from the creators website?
00:14.29kanzuregenerally debian-maintained backports are debian-specific and prject-specific maintainers might not be targeting debian
00:14.36kanzures/prject/project
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00:15.20justanot1eruserso basically its more likely to have bugs?
00:15.28gusnanAlso, the backports _should_ get updates for security problems and the like that you'll have to compile yourself if you don't use them...
00:15.52kanzurearguably project maintainers should also be on the ball for security updates too, you would hope
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00:16.15gusnanYeah, but you don't have to compile them yourself if using backports.
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00:17.08kanzurein his case though, he's probably talking about bitcoind, which has a few project-maintained packages on launchpad somewhere
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00:17.15justanot1eruserkanzure: no, qtcreator
00:17.22kanzurei wasn't close at all
00:17.37justanot1eruserI already run bitcoind from not-debian because of the nature of the project
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00:18.55dltlpeople still mining for bitcoin?
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00:20.21justanot1eruserdltl: it still exists, so yes
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00:20.43mo1991justanot1eruser  what do you mean by not-debian?
00:21.04mo1991or do you mean just that something other than debian.
00:21.32justanot1erusermo1991: I misspoke. I don't run it from not-debian, I got the binary from not-debian
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00:23.44sveinseHow can apt-get update something from testing?
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00:27.16gusnansveinse: Add the testing repos to your sources.list. However, you shouldn't mix stable and testing, use backports instead.
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00:28.51sveinsegusnan: Do you need to pin them, or is this setup with stable having the highest priority?
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00:30.42gusnanIf using backports you shouldn't need to pin anything.
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00:31.37Brigo!backports
00:31.37dpkgA backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications.  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ .  Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>.  See also <simple sid backport>.
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00:32.22gusnanBrigo: thanks
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00:32.33Brigogusnan, np :)
00:33.02sveinseWell, backports doesn't always exist.
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00:34.45sveinse...seems I have to create a backport. The package dragged too many libs into its deps.
00:34.50sveinsedpkg-buildpackage it is then
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00:36.24Brigo!ssb
00:36.26dpkgFirst, check for a backport on <debian-backports>.  If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.  To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
00:36.40Brigosveinse, did you try siple sid backport?
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00:38.02sveinseI wouldn't expect that a backport exists for raspbian. That target is not that large
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00:42.43justanot1eruserIf I want qt5-qmake is the proper procedure to just put the binary in /home/user/bin? Seems like an easy solution. If I try installing the package it wants to remove a bunch of stuff
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00:43.19Brigojustanot1eruser, if it fine for you ...
00:43.27Brigojustanot1eruser, if it's fine for you ...
00:43.38justanot1eruserBrigo: I want to do things the right way :)
00:43.45kanzurejustanot1eruser: aptitude is sometimes better at planning what needs to be removed
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00:45.00bosherguys i need help
00:45.17bosher0 ad  no run in fedora 20
00:45.24bosherwhy?
00:46.10Brigobosher, this is a debian support channel, we do not know about fedora
00:46.18Brigoat least me :)
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00:46.41bosherbut is linux
00:46.54teraflops^
00:46.56bosherDebian is equal to fedora
00:47.02teraflopsyeah sure
00:47.15Brigobosher, then install debian, 0 ad runs fine in debian.
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00:47.19justanot1eruserkanzure: It wants me to go to libc6, but that seems too dangerous for a non chroot environment.
00:47.34justanot1eruserdoes ubuntu have ads now? I thought I read something about that.
00:47.42Brigoads?
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00:48.02justanot1eruserhttp://yro-beta.slashdot.org/story/12/09/22/1319216/ubuntu-will-now-have-amazon-ads-pre-installed
00:48.05justanot1eruserlol
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00:48.38Brigoposted more than 2 years ago
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00:49.11bosherlil
00:49.14dltlubuntu was just one big ad for windows 8.1
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00:49.31teraflopsoh dltl try harder
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00:49.42bosheri need help
00:50.06boshermysql error 2000 in fedora 20
00:50.14bosherheisenbug
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00:50.26teraflopsbosher: ask in fedora
00:50.32bosherwhy?
00:50.33Brigoi am starting to hate fedora ...
00:50.37boshernot here?
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00:51.10teraflopsbosher: i mean: troll in fedora
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00:51.52bosherno i'm not
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00:53.02teraflopsBrigo: xD
00:53.14Brigo:D
00:53.23bosherwhich channel is fedora?
00:53.36teraflops#fedora ?
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00:53.45dltl#deadredhat
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00:54.02bosherredhate is a private distribution
00:54.07bosherno GNU
00:54.08teraflopslol dltl getting better
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01:23.00benjamindeesI'm seeing this bug in Wheezy.  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=672689#25
01:23.09benjamindeesAny reason to believe it's fixed in testing?
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01:40.13benjamindeesAnyone want to help me determine how I got a Wheezy .iso with a corrupted apt package?
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02:01.14veekhow do you figure the max file length for the fs
02:01.35dltl32 vs 64bit?
02:02.10veek64
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02:02.16rwpEven on 32-bit the off_t is 64-bit these days. Everything is large file aware.
02:02.31veekerr file name length
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02:06.50veeknm getconf
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02:07.01rwpveek, File *name* length is completely separate from file size.
02:07.11rwpveek, Depending upon the kernel it may be unlimited.
02:07.59rwpveek, PATH_MAX is 4096 for Debian's Linux kernel but notably on Hurd it is unlimited there.
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02:08.01veekgetconf NAME_MAX /mntpt
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02:22.09veekany way to do ls|cut_up_to 10 chars
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02:22.31dltlman cut
02:23.00dondelelcaroveek: though if you're piping ls to something, you're probably doing it wrong
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02:26.23veekdltl, how would you use cut, ls|cut -d '' -f 1,10|less doesn't work
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02:27.15heuristveek: cut -c  but what do you want from that command? parsing ls is a bad idea
02:27.25dltlls -l $i | cut -d ' ' -f 6`
02:27.27anothernameunderdoes cryptab happens before fstab?
02:27.45heuristdpkg: tell veek -about parsing ls
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02:28.31heuristveek: you want just the permissions?  stat -c"%A" *
02:28.38veekdltl, i want the filename to be of a certain length..
02:28.39rwpveek, Not good to parse ls output for file names.
02:28.51veekls|cut_filename_to_length
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02:30.56percY-workIs there a command i can use to show me what order the drives are on the hba controller?
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02:34.57dltlfdisk ?
02:35.12dltllshw?
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02:35.43rwpveek, Here is the faq I was looking for: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs
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02:38.42RoyKpercY-work: cat /proc/partitions
02:38.46RoyKperhaps
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02:54.25towskiwhat is colord
02:54.34towskiand wpa supplicant
02:54.44towskiseems to have strange error messages in my logs
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02:55.38dondelelcarotowski: wpa_supplicant is responsible for associating with wireless networks
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03:03.46towskialso I guess i need to get my webcam module working
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03:15.50linuxthefishhi, is it possible to install Skype in Debian 7?
03:16.20linuxthefishhttp://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=LxdhBCqx is the errors i get
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03:17.13somiajyers it is possible, what does apt-get -f install do?
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03:19.50linuxthefishah thanks somiaj that fixed it, i thought i had to install those things manually :p
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03:24.36somiajlinuxthefish: the error message even told you to run apt-get -f install
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03:50.20hypophthalmusI have a tiny arm computer running Jessie that has stopped booting correctly after I did some updates. I tried completely reinstalling Debian using debootstrap, but it's doing the same thing. Any ideas? Here's the bootlog: pastebin.com/i9Wty8S7
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04:25.00Netshis there any way to install skype on wheezy amd64 without using multi-arch?
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04:26.36jpleauNetsh: Probably not.
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04:30.19farriothWhat is the canonical way of installing the dependencies for a package but not the package itself?
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04:45.47rwpfarrioth, AFAIK there isn't one.
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04:47.14farriothrwp: Okay, thanks.
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04:48.55rwpfarrioth, Why do you need to install dependencies but not the package itself? -- You would always install the package then immediately purge it.
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04:52.45rwpfarrioth, To be clear you are not talking about build dependencies, right? If so that is "apt-get build-dep foopackage"
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04:55.23farriothrwp: The package I want is not in apt, but a newer (and buggy) version of it is, and I don't believe the dependencies have changed, so I would like them to be installed automatically, but then install the package manually myself. You are correct that I'm not talking about build dependencies. Also note that I'm in fact on Linux Mint right now (until I get Debian installed here), but still using dpkg and apt.
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04:57.31rwpfarrioth, There is always manual installation. Use "apt-cache show foo | grep Depends:" to list the dependencies from it and then install them.  Or create an equiv package with the same Depends:.
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04:58.59farriothrwp: I'll go with manual installation of the dependencies. Thanks.
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05:05.21afsalplease help me to compile i8086emu tarball in  debian wheezy it shows error when using 'make'
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05:06.46afsalhere is the error http://paste.debian.net/130943/
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05:14.02farriothafsal: Try building on a 32-bit system.
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05:22.12veekhmmm hexchat seems to be crashing
05:22.26veekif i touch my mouse
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05:22.51veeksinkes why are you messaging me? i dare not switch tabs
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05:24.00veeklet me try switching desktop windows..
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05:24.40farriothI also had spam from sinkes.
05:24.54veekcould someone kick out that idiot sinkes - that's spam
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05:26.33hypophthalmusIf it gives kernel boot messages fine and then nothing... maybe systemd isn't starting for some reason?
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05:43.01anothernameunderI just used mv to move a 35gb file to another drive, not I do not see the space reclaimed after mv. Is there a way to enforce it?
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05:44.17farriothanothernameunder: Was the drive you moved it from almost full?
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05:45.40anothernameunderfarrioth: yeah I guess so,out of 78gb it had 2.5 gb free
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05:46.22heuristanothernameunder: if something has the file open the space will not be freed till that program is closed.  see  lsof +L1  for a list of files that are deleted but still open.
05:46.35anothernameunderheurist: ok thanks i will check now
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05:47.09farriothanothernameunder: Chances are some files on the drive were taking up reserved space, and the space will not register as free until the usage is no longer overlapping the reserved space.
05:47.36farriothanothernameunder: What heurist mentions is another possibility.
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05:48.10anothernameunderfarrioth: would a restart fix it?
05:48.41farriothanothernameunder: Fix which possibility?
05:48.51heuristanothernameunder: if the file is till open then restarting will sort it out.
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05:49.18anothernameunderfarrioth: ok lets say the restart does not fix it, what is my options then?
05:49.39farriothanothernameunder: Move more files off the partition.
05:49.57farriothanothernameunder: But instead of restarting, it is best to look for open files.
05:50.00anothernameundersystem drive
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05:52.34anothernameunderwould fsck do help here?
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05:52.51farriothanothernameunder: Not likely.
05:52.57anothernameunderlsof does not show me ahnadle for the file
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05:53.13anothernameunderok will do a restart, it is ext4
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05:58.08anothernameunderok restart fixed it, thanks for the help
05:58.30farriothanothernameunder: Great.
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05:59.11anothernameunderI think it was the losetup that was holding on to the file (was a loopback devcie), although I deleted the loop(s)
05:59.41farriothanothernameunder: Sounds likely.
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06:09.39hglhi, i'm trying to stop a couple getty processes, but /etc/inittab is empty, i wonder how getty processes are started? their ppid is 1, and if be killed, they respawn. i'm using debian 7.4 inside an openvz container.
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06:11.27farriothhgl: /etc/init/tty?.conf I think.
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06:13.49hglfarrioth, oh, thank you. it's them. are they upstart scripts? since when debian uses upstart?
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06:16.10anothernameunderI have a mounted loopback drive, however I would like this to be unmounted when I close the lid, what are my options
06:16.24anothernameunderit goes into standby
06:16.25farriothhgl: I'm not actually sure, sorry.
06:16.59hglfarrioth, it's ok. thanks for the help. :)
06:17.13farriothanothernameunder: I think you'll want to call it from somewhere in the ACPI config, but that's all I can tell you.
06:17.20farriothhgl: You're welcome.
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06:37.34notoyahorahello to everyone. I am trying to sabe some flash videos from a mmmm "educational" site but it seems to be protected and glashgot shows nothing. what can I do? neither there is some faslh in the /tmp dir...
06:38.11notoyahorais it normal to recive publicity from bots in this channel?
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06:38.43farriothnotoyahora: It is not normal, there is a spammer lurking.
06:39.08notoyahorait is my first time, I am a little amazed, only that
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06:45.05notoyahoraand waht about the video?
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06:49.05farriothnotoyahora: I'm afraid I don't download "educational" videos, so I can't really help you.
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06:54.56binaryhermit"educational"?  Is that like "adult"?
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06:55.32farriothbinaryhermit: I'm assuming so.
06:55.52Froolapis there any advantage to having 2 network card connect to the same router? does that shotgun to increase your bandwidth.... or seamlessly failover if one connection dies?
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06:56.18binaryhermitalso, when I said that, I got PM spam
06:57.24farriothbinaryhermit: Seems like a few of us have been.
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07:02.54SeanChiarotWould I be able to get a hand setting up Exim to send email though a mail server?... I've ran the config but can't seem to get it working
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07:04.09notoyahorabinaryhermit, yes, adult videos :)
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07:07.51hypophthalmusLooks like cgroup needed to be compiled into the kernel.
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08:07.20Froolapya ask one little question and everyone has to net split.
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08:08.56benjamindeesFroolap, it could, if you set it up to
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08:10.21FroolapI didn't do anything special....  I just connected a usb nic and installed the drivers and noticed both wireless nics were connecting to the same router.... so got me to wondering what's going on...
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08:11.17FroolapIs it buying me anything? is it confusing the box as to which nic/route to take. etc....
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08:12.44notoyahoraFroolap, why 2 nics?
08:14.24FroolapThe pci card was disconnecting-reconnecting every minute or 3.  CRDA updates....  This was going on in fedora as well, so I started thinking maybe a different nic would give better performance.  I had a usb nic on hand.... so compiled the drivers...
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08:15.36FroolapBut ya know,   Both nics seem to be going through a disconnect-reconnect every 2 minutes.... Seems to be driver related on the usb side
08:15.40notoyahoraFroolap, go to /etc/network/interfaces and configure to not bring up the pci nic
08:16.08notoyahoramaybe the problem be the router, maybe your dhcp server or client configuration
08:16.35benjamindeesFroolap, it's probably not buying you anything, in fact it's probably hurting
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08:18.44Froolapis there documentation for  /etc/network/interfaces ?  I don't see either nic listed there.
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08:20.23notoyahoraFroolap, ah, are you using gnome and network manager?
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08:21.30FroolapI'm using network manager... I don't use xwindows.  I did startx and told network manager to tell the pci card to disconnect. but as soon as I reboot it will connect again.
08:22.27FroolapI was looking for a place where I could enable/disable devices but couldn't find it.  all it was doing was allowing me to configure the connection, and once configured seems to apply to both.
08:22.46heuristFroolap: man interfaces
08:23.20FroolapThanks.
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08:23.51notoyahoraFroolap, I am afraid that you're using x-window, uless you're running wm-cli (I thinkit exists). My advice is that you'd better go the /etc/network/interfaces way, becuase it is documented, and udnerstandable, with the freedesktop graphical programas you always have some kind of voodoo
08:24.04rozieFroolap: you can try wicd instaad of NM
08:24.28rozieit has slightly more options IIRC (havent seen NM for ages)
08:24.36Froolapnotoyahora: It's a headless machine for the most part.  everything is telnet/ssh
08:25.00rozieboth wicd and NM have cli (and curses) clients
08:25.27FroolapI've tried playing with nmcli but for the life of me I can't figure out how to make it connect to a router it's never connected to before.
08:25.49notoyahoraFroolap,  you can check fo debian network configuration, I think that in debian-handbook.org you have the info
08:26.37FroolapCool. I like reading up and trying to understand how it works.
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08:28.38notoyahoraFroolap, it is very easy, you configure the network intrfaces with the well, configuration you want (manual Ip or dhcp automatedIP asignation) and then tell the system if you want to bring them auto or don't. If they are auto, they are configured at aboot, not auto, they are not auto uped
08:29.14heuristFroolap: if you like reading and want to learn maybe look at http://debian-handbook.info/
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08:29.50Froolapbookmarked
08:30.15notoyahoraheurist, .info? not .org? Froolap sorry, it was .info
08:30.54FroolapIt gave me the book.... looking now.
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08:58.00NirgalHi. Many upgrades are failing here (jessie) because of M-A inconstituencies. http://pastebin.com/s0QrgBzc You guys know about that?
08:58.52heuristNirgal: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
08:59.53Nirgalheurist: Thank you. Can you invite me there?
09:00.13heuristNirgal: #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net not freenode network
09:00.51NirgalOps, wrong network. ^^ Thanks
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09:27.26rabguloi have problem with "apt-get upgrade".
09:27.29rabguloPreparing to unpack .../libaudio2_1.9.4-1+b1_amd64.deb ...
09:27.30rabguloUnpacking libaudio2:amd64 (1.9.4-1+b1) over (1.9.4-1) ...
09:27.30rabgulodpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libaudio2_1.9.4-1+b1_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite shared '/usr/share/doc/libaudio2/changelog.Debian.gz', which is different from other instances of package libaudio2:amd64
09:27.30dpkgrabgulo: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
09:27.34rabguloErrors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libaudio2_1.9.4-1+b1_amd64.deb
09:27.37rabguloE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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09:28.13valdynrabgulo: use dpkg -i --force-overwrite *.deb
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09:28.40rabgulovaldyn: thanks very much.
09:28.49eb0they my machine has gone to sleep and i cant wake it up
09:29.09eb0tctrl alt f1 etc doesnt work
09:29.17eb0tand this /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume: Permission denied
09:29.20eb0tdoesnt work
09:29.35eb0tis there anything else i can try
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09:29.59eb0tim getting permission denied even though i am ssh into the machine as root
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09:36.29notoyahorasomebody here knows hot to use rmtp for savingrmtp streams?
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09:47.46phreaky2can anyone suggest me a really small debian based distro
09:47.46phreaky2?
09:48.07ectospasmphreaky2: debian with nothing installed?
09:48.16ectospasmDeselect everything in tasksel
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09:49.05babilendpkg: tell phreaky2 -about emdebian
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09:49.14Arahaelor an old debian.
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09:49.39babilenI really wouldn't recommend running unsupported versions
09:50.14Arahaelbabilen: depends on why he wants it.  i think older versions would be good for say, a 386.
09:50.36phreaky2well all i need to install a  ligth distro on virtualbox so i could test something between 2 pcs
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09:51.00babilenSo you don't actually want something "really small", but just something that isn't bloated?!
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09:51.20babilenphreaky2: Just install Debian and use a lighweight window manager such as i3 or fluxbox
09:51.22ectospasmJust install debian without a DE
09:51.25Arahaelphreaky2: modern debian, then, running a light desktop environment.
09:51.39babilenAny desktop environment isn't lightweight
09:51.41Arahaelweirrly, i find x11 faster than the console.
09:51.51Arahael*weirdly.
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09:52.56phreaky2yeah i might try netist of debian
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09:53.01Arahaelbut icewm, or fluxbox are great wm's
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09:54.35phreaky2well there is one
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09:54.46phreaky2i3c or ic3 or something like that .. that is really super duper fast
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09:56.00phreaky2also Tiny WM
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09:59.01ectospasmI'm enamored with XMonad, but it's a pain to set up, especially if you don't know haskell.
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10:00.40SOUL_OF_R00Tnice morning great guys, here is morning!
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10:04.24tmh1999Hi guys. As far as I know the information in Debian guide to SSD : https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization is kind of old, not obsolete. I am wondering that do we still have to manually do those tweaks/config on Debian jessie with kernel 3.14/3.16?
10:04.50tmh1999I mean that are those tweak are done automatically?
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10:06.01tmh1999for my default /etc/fstab, the line for my SSD is UUID=<long string> / ext4  errors=remount-ro 0 1
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10:11.23babilentmh1999: relatime is enabled by default and I would recommend to install the unburden-home-dir package in addition to what is mentioned there. You are right in that it might be a bit outdated, but then we are also supporting wheezy. Feel free to investigate in detail.
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10:11.41babilen(I mean the worst that could happen is that you just set the default again)
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10:14.01tmh1999I don't get your second line in () brackets :( sorry my English is to bad.
10:14.45tmh1999oh you meant I should stay with the default?
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10:15.41babilentmh1999: I simply meant that a lot of "best practices" might have become the default by now (e.g. 'relatime') - specifying those explicitly would therefore not change anything
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10:16.38babilentmh1999: I do not give discard anymore due to security considerations (with encryption) and simply installed the "unburden-home-dir" package. I also tend to leave at least 30% of my drive empty.
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10:17.25tmh1999Yep. I got it. Thanks babilen.
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10:18.42tmh1999by '30% of my drive empty' you mean 30% unpartitioned or 30% unused. I got this debate before with my local folks.
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10:20.55babilentmh1999: I was now referring to unused, that might, however, not necessarily have the effect I thought it would (on closer look)
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10:21.30babilenhttp://www.spinics.net/lists/raid/msg40866.html
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10:27.21tmh1999babilen: One last question. I have 1 SSD, 1 HDD. All my data are stored in HDD. /home is on SSD. I created softlink from my data in HDD to $HOME( SSD ) to make it feel like normal. But all those config files/ cache files are store in $HOME. I am wondering read/write on those config/cache files are too much on SSD. What do you think?
10:28.17tmh1999especially $HOME/.cache
10:28.55babilentmh1999: That is why I recommend unburden-home-dir -- take a look at that package
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10:29.44subscope_hi all
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10:31.35tmh1999Thanks.
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10:33.34babilentmh1999: Don't forget to edit /etc/unburden-home-dir.list and to uncomment entries there
10:34.08tmh1999Will note that. I am reading about this package.
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11:10.08ledufakademyhello
11:10.16ledufakademy;-)
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11:12.55dclcpanyone around played with gnuroor on android?
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11:14.39ledufakademyhello, test irc chan deb
11:14.59heurist!test
11:14.59dpkgTest failed.
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11:15.13ledufakademythanks ;-)
11:15.49r4co0nsamael, https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts - The dollar sign seems to only denote "virtual" facilities. I know next to nothing about writing init-scripts, but I suppose what you do can't work. Try by reading through the link I provided
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11:18.39r4co0nsamael, try without the $
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11:19.31ledufakademywith the new update of jessie i can't open nautilus (files) with the side bar icon (nor rapid search, super key) the only way is to use an existing desktop icon ?
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11:20.00heuristledufakademy: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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11:20.28ledufakademyok thank heurist, i will give a try in this channel.
11:20.30r4co0nledufakademy, running jessie, updated 2h ago, nautilus works for me
11:20.48ZmEuHello guys, I have debian-minimal-server installed on my Dell PowerEdge 1750, and when idle like 1h, the ethernet (eth0) going to be in hibernate, how I can fix that problems?
11:20.50samaelr4co0n: you are right. but at first i tried without it, and it didn't work, hence i tried with $
11:21.17samaelanyway, it does not work in both cases. had to manually play with symlinks in rc2.d to make it work
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11:28.30ZmEuHello guys, I have debian-minimal-server installed on my Dell PowerEdge 1750, and when idle like 1h, the ethernet (eth0) going to be in hibernate, how I can fix that problems?
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11:39.32dclcpso I am trying to make a live usb on my phone using an otg cable and gnuroot with wj
11:39.51dclcp*wheezy
11:39.59rgra live usb? As opposed to a dead one?
11:40.56rgrZmEu: you mean the whole machine or just the net drops the connection?
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11:42.28dclcpI have everything running but it wouldn't let me mount the iso.  Something about not finding a  loop device
11:42.38ZmEujust net dropping
11:42.58dclcpYes a USB live. :)
11:43.17Brigodclcp, is a standar debian kernel?
11:43.28rgrwhats a usb live?
11:43.49Brigorgr, a system you can run without install
11:43.52dclcpUhh you mean wheezy?
11:44.06Brigodclcp, no i mean debian
11:44.28dclcpYes I think so.
11:44.34Brigobecause if not may be you kernel has not loop devices.
11:44.48rgrah. a debian live. ok.
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11:45.28rgrZmEu: is it keot busy do you know or could it be the router. Does dmesg tell you anything?
11:45.38ZmEuwait.
11:45.40Brigodclcp, a loop device is what the system utilizes to mount a image.
11:46.20dclcpYeah I am trying to get my laptop running. The computer drive is dying and I don't have any USB images
11:47.09dclcpCd drive is dying * I do apologize...
11:47.45Brigodclcp, and what have you installed in the disk?
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11:48.23ZmEuI don't receive anything from dmesg
11:48.35dclcpI have a Ubuntu iso on my thumb drive.
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11:49.40ZmEuNov  9 13:46:03 zmeu kernel: [ 1317.401454] input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input2
11:49.40ZmEuNov  9 13:46:03 zmeu kernel: [ 1317.405071] grsec: exec of /bin/kmod (/sbin/modprobe -b input:b0011v0001p0001eAB41-e0,1,4,11,14,k71,72,73,74,75,76,77,79,7A,7B,7C,7D,7E$
11:49.40rgryou shouldnt have said that....
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11:49.50rgrZmEu: use pastebin. Dont paste here.
11:49.51dclcpI had Windows on my pc but I just need any live distro o USB so I can have the freedom to work off the laptop instead of my phone.
11:49.58ZmEuoki
11:50.02ZmEuthats only receive
11:50.07babilendpkg: tell ZmEu -about paste
11:50.26rgrwo why on earth are you talking about your phone?!?
11:51.05dclcpBecause that's what I am on and am trying to make a live usb from.
11:51.16ZmEuwhen pinging to an address
11:51.19ZmEunetwork its back
11:51.20ZmEualive
11:51.31dclcpWit gnuroot emulating debian
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11:52.24rgrgnuroot allows you to run it on the phone right? Or you're just downloading the iso and trying to get it on usb from your phone?
11:52.51dclcpI know it's retarded. I will probably just have to make a live usb from the library's computer using unetbootin, but I was hoping to do it from home.
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11:53.29dclcpWell just putting the iso on the USB didn't work.
11:54.04rgryou still havent made clear what it is you're trying to do. run it on the phone? Run it on the laptop usb? You keep throwing in other parameters. Take a deep breath and say what it is youre aiming for.
11:54.32rgrno you cant just put the iso on the usb.
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11:55.14dclcpI want to run it from the laptop usb. The iso is on there but don't you have to do more than that?
11:55.39MmikeHi, guys. I have an issue - I'm using tcpdump on a mysql box to capture mysql traffic (tcpdump port 3306 -w -) and then send that via netcat to remote machine. There I use percona-playback to live-replay that against new mysql box, something like: percona-replay --plugin=tcp --tcp-file=<(nc -l -p 9876) --mysql-host=blablabla
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11:55.56dclcpRight. So what do I have to do with the iso to make it live
11:55.59MmikeThe problem is that percona-playback sometimes segfaults, and when that happens nc dies, and remote nc dies and tcpdump also dies.
11:56.36MmikeIs there a way I can set this up so that I'm reading from a socket/fifo/something, so that when percona-playback dies I can just restart it (and that originating tcpdump doesn't die) ?
11:57.04MmikeI tried with mkfifo to create a fifo file, but I have the same issue. As soon as percona-playback dies (stops reading from the fifo file), the nc that's writing to fifo dies
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12:06.56dutchfishMmike, thats actually more then 1 problem ;) but... why dont you just capture the filtered packets at the switch (hw) level? so that your tcpdump hook stays intact at all times? Restarting percona is trivial on a trigger.
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12:07.30dutchfishMmike, like a monitoring port
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12:07.49dutchfishMmike, thats how i do it for other purposes as well
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12:08.45Mmikedutchfish, how would I do that?
12:09.18dutchfishMmike, not gone walk you through on that, but dig in into switch monitoring port setup
12:09.22Mmikethe old and new db servers are on different network segments
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12:09.34Mmikemost likely on completely different switches
12:09.46dutchfishMmike, even more nice, you can get hw separation then
12:09.49Mmikeeven more, new box is inside some VM, old one is pure hardware box...
12:10.20Mmikeif I start port monitoring on old server, how am I going to transfer captured data to the box running percona-replay?
12:10.38dutchfishMmike, i dont know the intrinsics of your setup, but consider hw port monitoring on switch level for this
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12:11.16dutchfishMmike, even if it takes to get an administrative subnet
12:11.20Mmikedutchfish, do I need to have access to network gear for that?
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12:11.38Mmikebecause I only have root access to old and new db servers (and two more boxes)
12:11.40dutchfishMmike, yeh, you have to plug at least a cable or 2
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12:11.48Mmikeyup, don't have that option :(
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12:12.35smartasshi, I'm having a hard time getting hunspell to work with emacs24
12:12.47dutchfishMmike, then you prolly have to live with missing data; a better way would be to sync your db server
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12:13.05dutchfishMmike, if it is mysql, it can be done relatively easy
12:13.28smartassI've seen some debian magick mentioned that should load up the hunspel dicts ... doesn't seem to work
12:13.28Mmikedutchfish, I'm using percona-replay so that I can 'run' the same mysql-traffic against new box to see how would it compare to the old one
12:13.56MmikeI could save the tcpdump to a file then replay later, but I wanted to have new server execute queries in 'real time'
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12:14.02dutchfishMmike, but that assumes a high grade connection, if capturing all the data is of utmost importance
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12:14.26Mmikedutchfish, I have cca 1MB/sec (piping tcpdump trough pv), so that's not that bad
12:14.32Mmiketroughput is cca 100 MB
12:14.32ValdikSSHello guys. Could someone recommend me any script/application/daemon for static policy based routing?
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12:14.59dutchfishMmike, i dont ment bandwidth i ment quality
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12:15.42dutchfishMmike, anyway, rethink it, syncing a db on transactional basis, would be my choice for this
12:16.03ValdikSSBasically, I'd be happy with basic Multi-WAN solution, but only for IPv6.
12:16.15dutchfishMmike, post commit, if fails, do it again, that makes it a better way
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12:16.36dutchfishMmike, and takes away th eburden of failing connections
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12:19.06dutchfishMmike, as a nice side effect, you can prospone the syncing on high incoming transactions, that theoritically doubles your bandwidth
12:19.21dutchfish(on peaks)
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12:19.47dutchfishMmike, because transactions are piped through caches
12:20.23dutchfishMmike, at least at many flaovors of good db'es
12:20.48Mmikeerm
12:21.13MmikeI'm not being clear - I need to run the (more or less) same workload that goes on old DB server against new db server
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12:21.18Mmikereplication wont' help me there
12:21.21miko88ciao
12:21.36Mmikesyncing db on transactional basis also yields nothing to me
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12:21.49Mmikedata chagnes are minimal anyways, the SELECTs are what I want to capture
12:21.57Mmikepercona-playback can work with slowlog files
12:22.15dutchfishMmike, in that case you need a meta to 2 backends
12:22.33dutchfish(or  more)
12:22.35Mmikebut then I'll be replaying workload with a delay, and I'd like to somehow do it (more or less) in parallel
12:22.40Mmikewhat is a meta?
12:23.00dutchfishMmike, an intermediate, that just pipes requests
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12:23.10Mmikelike a pg_pool in postgres world
12:23.12Mmikeor mysql-proxy
12:23.18dutchfishMmike, yes
12:23.26Mmikeyes, I coudl do that but then I'd have to reconfigure all the clients that connect to the old db
12:23.33Mmikeusing tcpdump is really the easiest way
12:23.46Mmikeit's just that percona-playback sometimes dies (it's in v0.7 and not super-duper stable)
12:23.58dutchfishMmike, well, that depends on the addressing and routing, not neccesarely ....
12:24.09MmikeDuststorm, I can't change network configuration
12:24.35Mmikeerm, dutchfish , that is :D
12:24.40dutchfishMmike, i am out of good suggestions then ;) np
12:25.27MmikeI was merely hoping to find something that would allow me to write to a file even if noone is reading from a file
12:25.43Mmikemkfifo won't help me here
12:25.54Mmikeand mknod b, man says it is buffered
12:26.25dutchfishMmike, oh, i thought it was only db traffic related
12:27.53deranged_userThe following packages have unmet dependencies: libaudio2 : Breaks: libaudio2:i386 (!= 1.9.4-1) but 1.9.4-1+b1 is to be installed libaudio2:i386 : Breaks: libaudio2 (!= 1.9.4-1+b1) but 1.9.4-1 is to be installed
12:27.57deranged_userFFFF
12:28.13deranged_userhttp://pastebin.com/9cMJGgQY
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12:28.25deranged_useris this just a side effect of sid being sid
12:28.28heuristderanged_user: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
12:28.34deranged_userargh
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12:49.00Mmikedutchfish, thxn for the inputs :)
12:49.11Mmikei'll paste here if I find out how to solve this
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14:00.13psyclepathHi. I am playing chess with a friend via Email .. and i am looking for a Chess Program that allows human vs. human + save and loading options .. so far no success .. any ideas ?
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14:01.13RoyKpsyclepath: watching Carlsen vs Anand? ;)
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14:01.48psyclepathRoyK, ?
14:02.26RoyKpsyclepath: you know, Magnus Carlsen and Viswanathan Anand are playing right now ;)
14:02.53psyclepathRoyK, ahh got it
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14:02.58psyclepath:-)
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14:03.05danlamannai added wheezy-backports to my sources.list, however "apt-cache -t wheezy-backports show emacs" shows the exact same package as apt-cache show emacs (which relies on regular wheezy)
14:03.07RoyKpsyclepath: live @ http://tv.nrk.no/direkte/nrk1
14:03.07psyclepathi'll check it out
14:03.16RoyK(in norwegian, though)
14:03.20danlamannawhen backports has a much newer version of emacs (23 vs 24)
14:03.44danlamannais it possible to get apt-cache to show the backports version of emacs?
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14:04.27babilendanlamanna: "apt-cache show emacs24"
14:05.08danlamannababilen: .. different name in backports. i'll see myself out :P
14:05.12danlamannababilen: thank you though :)
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14:05.33babilen:)
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14:08.51Roland-hello, I have an intel 7260 wifi card, debian conencts to it however latency is very high like 120 ms with the gateway. same machine on windows has 2 ms.
14:09.19Roland-any idea where to look? I am using the latest firmware
14:09.35babilentry a backported kernel -- /msg dpkg bdo kernel
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14:09.53babilen(don't forget firmware from backports)
14:10.48Roland-0.43 same as jessie
14:10.49Roland-yeah
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14:43.23[kiwi]hi there! I would like to know if there is native network namespace configuration support in debian wheezy|jessie? like typing "namespace zone1" into /etc/network/interfaces (or /etc/network/interfaces.d/zone1.eth0.conf)
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14:48.34zerophanhttp://ideone.com/EZjyzG
14:48.45zerophanwhy no moves on debian ??
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14:52.52Commodore94Hi! A little question. In Linux, there are five state for the process: New, Running, Ready, Waiting and Terminated. I have a Ready or Waiting Process and I send a SIGKILL signal to this process. The correct sequence is "Ready(or Waiting) ---> Terminated" or "Ready(or Waiting) ---> Running ---> Terminated" ?
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14:54.59rgrterminated I would guess. But if you can formulate that Q I would suggest to google the actual documented sequence rather than rely on a general irc channel. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15766036/sigkill-signal-handling
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15:03.52Commodore94Thanks rgr. So, I supposed that the sequence is Ready--->Terminated
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15:06.03i5um41ruplase help about how to installing latest gnome 3.14 on debian 7
15:07.07babilenYou can't. One option would be to upgrade to jessie and use that. See <wheezy->jessie> for information on that.
15:07.11Brigoi5um41ru, it is very dificult.
15:07.17babilen(/msg dpkg wheezy->jessie)
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15:08.48i5um41ruBrigo: but why? does it because of still new (really new)?
15:09.18jalalsfsI use debian 64 when I update, 'libaudio2' conflict with the same packages in i386 http://paste.debian.net/130994/
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15:09.33i5um41ruwell, thanks for your information..
15:09.49Brigoi5um41ru, yes.
15:10.03Brigojalalsfs, jessie?
15:10.10jalalsfsBrigo, Yes
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15:10.38Brigojalalsfs, broken packages
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15:10.47babileni5um41ru: wheezy is a stable (i.e. "not changing") release. You cannot simply upgrade something as large as Gnome in it and still expect it to be "wheezy" afterwards. We are working on a new release (jessie) that comes with Gnome 3.14 and you can/should use that if you want that gnome version.
15:10.57jalalsfsBrigo, Which one? amd or i386?
15:11.16ompaul,v libaudio2
15:11.17Brigojalalsfs, not sure.
15:11.17juddPackage: libaudio2 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.9.2-4squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.9.2-4squeeze1; wheezy: 1.9.3-5wheezy1; wheezy-security: 1.9.3-5wheezy1; jessie: 1.9.4-1+b1; sid: 1.9.4-1+b1
15:12.06jalalsfsBrigo, Shall I report it?
15:12.31ompaul!testing
15:12.31dpkgTesting is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>.  See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>.  You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times.  Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
15:13.24ompauljalalsfs: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and see if you still have issues first
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15:14.05jalalsfsompaul, I used aptitude update && aptitude -safe-upgrade
15:14.13ompauljalalsfs: well do what I said
15:14.40ompauljalalsfs: simples - btw jessie support in irc.oftc.net #debian-next
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15:15.05ompaulshoots safe-upgrade in the back of the head
15:15.06jalalsfsompaul, This is the first time I use apt-get
15:15.26ompaulworst name for an apt option ime
15:15.34richacoh wow i never knew there was a safe upgrade option
15:15.43richacwhat does it do?
15:15.43babilenjalalsfs: And these issues are well known: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768651 -- I would recommend that you read the <sid faq> again and start using apt-listbugs.
15:16.00ompaulrichac: only from Version N to Version N+!
15:16.02babilenjalalsfs: Either way, please take it to #debian-next
15:16.02ompaulrichac: only from Version N to Version N+1
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15:16.09jalalsfsompaul, It says http://paste.debian.net/131002/
15:16.09richaci see
15:16.23ompaulnot for running unstable or testing
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15:16.45richacgood to know though
15:16.45babilenrichac: "dist-upgrade" differs from "upgrade" (or "safe-upgrade" in aptitude parlance) in that it also allows package removals
15:16.54richacohhh
15:17.01ompauljalalsfs: so follow the on screen  instruction apt-get -f install
15:17.03richactks
15:17.12jalalsfsompaul, http://paste.debian.net/131003/
15:17.17babilen#debian-next please
15:17.26ompauljalalsfs: what babilen said
15:17.27jalalsfsbabilen, On OFTC ?
15:17.31babilenyes
15:17.34jalalsfsjOkay
15:17.35ompaulyes you were told that already
15:17.48babilenjalalsfs: Just don't upgrade that package. Install apt-listbugs and wait for that bug to be fixed.
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15:25.10skynixkanotix debian testing / sid  64 bit    dist-upgrade error     http://paste.debian.net/130953/
15:25.15skynixwhat can i do ?
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15:27.50earthianHello, I would like to make a FOSS desktop App for Linux. I use Debian myself, could you give tips hints info sources on where should I start?
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15:28.45earthianThe app would be a LDAP schema editor
15:28.48earthian:)
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15:34.07ompaulskoude: kanotix is not debian, it is a fork it has it's own channel #kanotix
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15:55.22doomsterHi! I'm looking for a small text editor that automatically syncs with HD, i.e. reloads on changes, saves on edits. Like IDEA or PHPStorm, but in free.
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15:58.25flyingkiwidoomster, gedit?
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15:58.58flyingkiwidoomster, there are plugins doing this job afaik
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15:59.03rommel092079I have this TC here -->> http://pastebin.com/jdw3kHa4   and I just made it buy reading tc tutorial and some google tutorial about tc.  can you check out my tc.  what I want to achieve is to limit the download and upload speed of the specific IP address indicated therein.
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15:59.20rommel092079I have this TC here -->> http://pastebin.com/jdw3kHa4   and I just made it buy reading tc tutorial and some google tutorial about tc.  can you check out my tc.  what I want to achieve is to limit the download and upload speed of the specific IP address indicated therein.
16:01.14heuristdpkg: tell rommel092079 -about crosspost
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16:03.24flyingkiwirommel092079, looks fine for limiting the upload speed. it should not really affect dl speed.
16:03.50doomsterflyingkiwi: I'll try it, thanks.
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16:06.16rommel092079flyingkiwi, can you help me fix my script for both upload and download please. its the best I can do as I work now with tc.
16:08.24flyingkiwirommel092079, sure. but at first you should try if its really limitting the upload speed
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16:16.41doomsterflyingkiwi, gedit starts without window decorations here, seems like tuned for touch devices...!?!
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16:18.20barbieregiociao
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16:20.17rommel092079help pls
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16:30.11muh2000how can i re apply config changes of a package???
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16:30.53arcveildpkg-reconfigure
16:31.03muh2000arcveil: doesnt do anything
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16:31.19heuristmuh2000: dpkg-reconfigure $package  or dpkg-reconfigure -plow $package  if you want all the questions
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16:32.18muh2000heurist: no questions when using -plow :(
16:32.49heuristmuh2000: then you are using the wrong package name. which package is this?
16:32.53arcveilcan purge it and reinstall maybe
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16:33.55muh2000php5-cli and php5-cgi
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16:34.16muh2000and php5-common
16:34.32DarksonnHow do I install gcc version >= 4.8
16:35.01heuristmuh2000: are you trying to get the config files back? not get the questions it asks at install time? does php ask any questions?
16:35.22heuristdpkg: tell muh2000 -about confmiss
16:35.24arcveilapt-get install build-essenital
16:36.13heuristDarksonn: debian stable has gcc 4.7 there is no 4.8 in stable
16:36.31Darksonnheurist: is there a backport?
16:36.41heuristDarksonn: not of gcc
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16:37.25Darksonnheurist: I need it because 4.7 dosen't have -fno-diagnostics-show-caret and flycheck for emacs need it
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16:38.29muh2000heurist: nope. just the changes dialog during updates...
16:38.42heuristDarksonn: wait for jessie/testing to become stable (do not ask for an eta) or run it in a jessie chroot.
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16:39.15Darksonnheurist: thanks for the help
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16:40.20muh2000Unknown option: force-confmiss
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16:41.36muh2000i am trying to get these changes dialogs because my php5 stuff seems buggy. i guess due a config issue... (i just kept the old configs...)
16:41.37heuristmuh2000: debconf-show --listowners  should show you what the package name is.
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16:45.20muh2000heurist: it lists more than one package :(
16:45.31muh2000<PROTECTED>
16:45.58heuristmuh2000: it lists *all* packages (that are configured by debconf)
16:46.17muh2000hmmm
16:46.24smartasshi, anyobody got hunspell working in emacs24 on Debian? I've heard that debian has some special dictionary loading mechanism....
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17:14.40romanpMay some network pro in there can guide me into a direction to fix this? http://pastebin.com/C0Tsfk88. In short: Somehow server 1 can ping server 2, but does not get soap results i can easily request from any other host. and server 2 cant ping server 1 at all.
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17:16.33RoyKromanp: centos usually has an iptables config only to allow ssh
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17:17.02RoyKromanp: pastebin "iptables -vnL" from the centos thing
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17:17.58romanpHi RoyK http://pastebin.com/NF46fGci but i have Interworx installed, where i disabled the Firewall to test so i guess its empty
17:18.23dontknowwhat is your iceweasel esr experiences on wheezy between 24 and 31? 31 feels more laggy?
17:18.24romanpOh i am sorry babilen
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17:51.05nettlejamHi - I recently upgraded my home server from wheezy to jessie, and started having an issue with transmission-daemon that I think might be related to the init system...
17:51.37JamesGat1I enabled backports to install a certain piece of software, but no longer need it.  How can I list what packages came from backports so I can remove them?>
17:52.09babilendpkg: tell JamesGat1 -about bdo list
17:52.29nettlejamBy default transmission-daemon expects to find config in /home/debian-transmission/
17:53.07nettlejamBut (I think this might be holdover from an earlier version?) I run the daemon with user debian-transmission but keep config in /var/lib/transmission-daemon/info/
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17:53.10JamesGat1babilen: thanks  :-)
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17:53.57nettlejam/etc/default/transmission-daemon exports that path in /var/lib/ as $CONFIG_DIR
17:54.16nettlejamAnd as far as I can see /etc/init.d/transmission-daemon sources the default file.
17:55.01rgrsmartass: never heard of it. I use flyspell which uses ispell and this just knows where the dictionaries are.
17:55.08nettlejamor actually exports $OPTIONS with that set as the --config-dif
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17:56.05nettlejamBut when started, transmission-daemon seems unaware of this config, and uses all defaults.
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17:59.57nettlejamI notice that /lib/systemd/system/transmission-daemon.service makes no mention of the default file or anything.
18:00.15nettlejamShould I edit /lib/systemd/system/transmission-daemon.service to include sourcing the default file?
18:00.24tmh1999Hi guys. I have a question hope someone could help me. Does Debian mount /tmp as a RAM-based tmpfs by default?
18:00.41Fuslcan someone help me fixing my locales settings? i tried with apt-get install locales; locales-gen en_US.UTF-8; update-locale LANG=en_US.UTF_8; but all it keeps telling at the last command is "*** update-locale: Error: invalid locale settings:  LANG=en_US.UTF-8"
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18:18.17Bierdiebsomeone with experience installing steam on deb7.x ? i dont understand what that schroot thingy is which is mentioned to use for install on deb wheezy. is it more handy to upgrade to jessie?
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18:19.23mtnBierdieb: upgrading to jessie may have it's own issues, but steam installs very easily in jessie.
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18:22.26Bierdiebfor a newbie, isnt it much easier to manually add testing repo for steam? i dont want to study all the os mechanics first just to play some game.
18:22.49jelly-homeBierdieb: it won't work
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18:23.11mtnBierdieb: no, either run stable or run testing.  don't try to mix them.
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18:25.04Bierdiebso whats behind this chroot / schroot workaround? what will i need to know?
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18:28.05Bierdiebalso there is a package which "should" install steam on deb7, but i ran into errors just enabling 32bit things and updating via apt-get. Sadly linux is still for pros as far as you want to do something thats not already inside the debian repos.
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18:28.42mtnBierdieb: not really true, but some things are easier than others ;)
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18:30.05Bierdiebwhat about backports? ive read something that new packages can be used on older versions in some cases.....
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18:33.01foubarreHi. I have succeded in hiding login messages for the tty, using .hushlogin method. I now have a blank screen when booting, silently waiting for login. I now want to cover this by an image, using fbi. I tried various things however when tty comes in, image disappears and i'm left with a blank display. Any hint?
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18:42.29dontknowis there any debian expert here?
18:42.39mtnnope, they all left
18:42.55mtn!tell dontknow about ask
18:43.14dontknowbut fear i don't get answer to my question
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18:43.30mtndontknow: won't know if you don't ask it ;)
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18:44.08goldenlighti am an expert
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18:44.16mtnyay
18:44.26dontknowthere is an instruction to build mpv on debian https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv-build
18:44.28fireant_how do I find out which package file belonges to ?
18:44.31dontknowin there there is a section "mk-build-deps -s sudo -i" and it says "If you don't want to use sudo, you can also try; su -c 'dpkg -i mpv-build-deps_*_*.deb || apt-get install -f'"
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18:44.55dontknowwhy is it say "If you don't want to use sudo"
18:45.00mtnfireant_: I think apt-file will do that
18:45.04fireant_thx
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18:45.35dontknowand is it ok to use "mk-build-deps -s sudo -i"
18:45.42goldenlighti am an expert
18:45.49dontknowgoldenlight, ^
18:45.53mtnand a bot!
18:46.09foubarreHi. I have succeded in hiding login messages for the tty, using .hushlogin method. I now have a blank screen when booting, silently waiting for login. I now want to cover this by an image, using fbi. I tried various things however when tty comes in, image disappears and i'm left with a blank display. Any hint?
18:46.46dontknowno answer to my question as expected!
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18:47.24foubarredontknow: did you ask the owner of the git project?
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18:47.44dontknowfoubarre, no. i think it is more related to debian
18:48.01mtndontknow: did you try the command? if you don't trust the help file, why are you following it?
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18:48.35foubarredontknow: he might know better what is related to his package, whatever the distro, instead of "generalist" people.
18:48.37Bierdieblets talk about migrating from debian7.x to jessie. any good howto to be mentioned? i dont want to install a new system from scratch....
18:48.54dontknowmtn, i tried it before it does the job. i am just wondering why is it say "If you don't want to use sudo"
18:48.57mtnBierdieb: !tell Bierdieb about testing
18:49.27ompauldontknow: why don't you just apt-get install mpv and do it the debian way
18:49.32ompaul,v mpv
18:49.33juddPackage: mpv on i386 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2; sid: 0.6.2-2; experimental: 0.6.2-2+ffmpeg; sid-multimedia: 1:0.6.2-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.6.2-dmo1
18:49.33mtndontknow: then you should have asked that question ;) some folks don't use sudo
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18:49.54dontknowompaul, because stable doesn't have mpv
18:49.59leftist?
18:50.02leftisthi could someone direct me to how i would update wine in debian wheezy
18:50.05mtn!tell Bierdieb about testing
18:50.14somiajleftist: you can compile your own wine package.
18:50.20ompauldontknow: you could just not use sudo if you don't have it installed
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18:50.27leftistok somiaj
18:50.31leftistlet me look it up.
18:50.49mtnleftist: Wine support is at #winehq on the freenode server and http://www.winehq.org/
18:51.01somiajleftist: http://paste.debian.net/131024/
18:51.03dontknowompaul, what do you mean? you mean if mpv is not installed?
18:51.10leftistok thanks everyone
18:51.13somiajleftist: they will work for the 1.7 branch as well
18:51.18ompauldontknow: eh, no the more obvious, if sudo is not installed
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18:51.26dontknowxD
18:51.40thechawhat do you liek about debian?
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18:52.13leftistthanks a bunch somiaj!
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18:52.30dontknowompaul, lol ok. is it a proper command to use then "mk-build-deps -s sudo -i"?
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18:52.43somiajleftist: note this simple packge won't be compadable with the ones from debian, so you will have to remove all wine and libwine packaegs before installing it
18:53.18dontknowompaul, you know they say don't use sudo for everything that you don't know what you are doing
18:53.48mtndontknow: don't use root if you don't know what you are doing,  either
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18:54.24ompauldontknow: if you don't know what you are doing compiling things you may break more than you bargain for
18:54.44dontknowcan someone tell me what does "mk-build-deps -s sudo -i" command?
18:54.58mtndontknow: best option is to use the debian repos to install  packages.
18:55.04Bierdiebmtn thx.
18:55.13arminwould anyone of you know any workaround to get rid of tearing with windowmanagers that do not support an opengl compositor? for example with KDE, you can tweak the compositor settings to do some kind of tearing prevention (i wouldn't see this anyhow connected to the actual option that is called so, since some other settings might introduce the wanted behaviour, too)? for example to achieve tearing-less video playback on i3, windowmaker, openbox, fluxbox, x
18:55.17mtnBierdieb: welcome
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18:55.27ompauldontknow: there are perfectly good players in stable --- so what that command does is run mk-build-deps and invokes a -s to say I want to use root and it gets it's root from sudo -i
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18:55.35arminBierdieb: excellent nickname by the way.
18:55.49ompauldontknow: and if you can't parse this type man mk-build-deps and read the output
18:55.49Bierdieb^^ yay?
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18:56.34dontknowompaul, is it ok to use that command in general?
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18:57.04ompauldontknow: I don't think you should be messing with it if you don't know what it does
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18:57.51dontknowompaul, it says "This will generate and install a dummy package that depends on the required packages" but does it actually require sudo for that?
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18:58.23ompauldontknow: I just told you what the command does, if you can't parse that you need to learn more basics before proceeding
18:58.39ompaulseriously back away from compile and do apt-get install someplayer
18:58.44ompauland use that play in its place
18:58.56dontknowompaul, is it ok to use that command for you?
18:59.23ompaulno because I use other players
18:59.45dontknowsince you are more experienced and have knowledge about that, would you use that command if you wanted to build using that?
18:59.57mtnheh
19:00.18ompauldontknow:  eh no, I'd just install it because I don't run stable :P
19:00.19dontknowompaul, mpv has better video quality than other players. it uses opengl-hq
19:00.53dontknowyou can compare the quality by opening two player same time you can see the difference
19:00.59ompauldontknow: I've said my piece, I don't think you have the skills to judge what you are doing and advice against doing it
19:01.31ompauldontknow: build a VM test it in the vm and build a package if it works copy the package to stable
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19:01.54dontknowompaul, as i said it compiles well and works
19:02.11ompaulthen why do you have to ask questions?
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19:03.22tmh1999babilen: On Debian Wheezy/Jessie, /tmp is not tmpfs ( or ramfs). It is part of root fs. See /etc/default/tmpfs. So I think I should mount /tmp to HDD.
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19:04.31dontknowompaul, man just say is it ok or not
19:04.45dontknowis it safe to use that command?
19:04.50dontknowoh my!
19:05.32dontknowmy question is not about compilation is success or not
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19:06.05ompaulgiven you tell me it compiles and runs well - I told you what that command does, it does require you have sudo installed but you seem to fail to grasp that
19:06.08dontknowall i am asking is; is it ok to use "mk-build-deps -s sudo -i"
19:06.31ompaulit's a command run it with things that are buggy and you will have problems
19:06.39ompaulcan you deal with the problems?
19:06.54ompaulif not, then you don't do it
19:07.00ompaulat least on a production machine
19:07.05dontknowompaul, it didn't cause any problem
19:07.15ompaulso why are you asking me thne?
19:07.17ompaulthen?
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19:09.02dontknowompaul, because i read that compiling something with root permission is dangerous and that command uses sudo in the firs section and second it just  uses "mk-build-deps"
19:09.18babilentmh1999: Guess I configured that myself ages ago then.
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19:10.16ompauldontknow: at some point it gets installed for that you need root - that is what is that sudo is doing - but you can run it without sudo and as root but you don't know what you are doing, my solution for you is to build a kvm and do the work in there
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19:10.38ompaulat least you will find out what it does and if it has a downside without killing your box but that seems lost on you
19:11.54babilentmh1999: "tmpfs   /tmp         tmpfs   nodev,nosuid          0  0" in /etc/fstab, "mount -a" done
19:12.09dontknowhey forget it. you are not able to understand what i am asking
19:12.32tmh1999babilen: No need size=20%, for example ?
19:12.59babilentmh1999: You can, you might also want to specify "noexec"
19:13.20tmh1999babilen: I will try.
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19:13.49ompauldontknow: if you can't read a make file and understand it's implications you can't say if that is a good make file
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19:14.58dontknowompaul, also i really suggest you to use mpv
19:15.07dontknowinstead of other players
19:15.09ompauldontknow: no interest in video
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19:15.39dontknowompaul, ok. thanks anyway
19:15.40x00eHello guys. I`m trying to install an openvpn server on my box (debian jessie / testing). All nice and dandy up until i have to actually start the server. That`s when I get this: http://pastebin.com/gPfEUwwq
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19:15.58x00ewhat have I missed ?
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19:17.56dontknowompaul, pbuild stuff would work with that?
19:18.58ompaulwithout reading stuff no idea
19:19.15ompaulas in the make file etc
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19:19.32JamesGatzwheezy smtp server - simple, secure, very low-volume site - recommendations?
19:19.52dontknowompaul, can you read :p
19:20.04ompauldontknow: I have packages - I run sid
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19:20.40dontknowok have fun with that!
19:20.47ompaulI have done for years
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19:23.13wolsx00e: it looks like your clock is a bit off. 2010. welcome to the future
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19:24.44x00ewols: what the hell :) I see
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19:34.08x00ewols: well, apparently it wasn`t from the wrong date. But 10x anyway
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19:35.40wolsx00e: check syslog then. iirc openvpn shows its error messages there
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19:36.18x00ewols: i know. I get the same error ..
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19:37.19wolstry to run openvon directly from the commandline then
19:37.35wolsit might also have some option to increase verbosity
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19:44.23x00ewols: i reckon there is something wrong with my .conf file, `cuz when i start the server without it, it works just tine. But can`t figure out what ..
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19:48.18ManoftheSeaHi Debian.  Thank you for your work on an awesome project.
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19:55.58brentaarnoldIn Debian 7.7 (MATE with backports enabled) using Intel HD 4000 graphics I'm getting some screen tearing when scrolling websites or moving imgs/video around on my screen. Any ideas?
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19:57.56dontknowbrentaarnold, yes it tears
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19:58.51dontknowbrentaarnold, there is no way to prevent it
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20:01.55ManoftheSeaWhat is #debian's policy on helping with issues when external repos are included, such as puppetlab's repo for Stable?  Obviously, the specific packages should get help from their channels, but does it invalidate other help the way mixing in PPA's does?
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20:04.21ManoftheSeaRecognizing that no one "owes" me help, is it looked on unfavorably?
20:04.41dondelelcaroManoftheSea: if it's a package which is actually in Debian, yes. If it's not, sort of me.
20:04.45dondelelcaros/me/meh/
20:04.48jelly-homeManoftheSea: it certainly makes things messier; some 3rd party repos are notoriously problematic and if they're in play the user will be strongly suggested to get rid of those first
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20:05.50ManoftheSeaI'll keep it in mind, then, thanks.
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20:06.24ManoftheSeaI don't have any problem today, just thinking.
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20:08.09jhutchinsManoftheSea: Generally one of the reasons for not supporting external packages or repos is that we're lucky we know stock debian as well as we do.  Mixing in outside stuff results in an environment where we can't reliably predict things or make assumptions that certain things work as they normally would.
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20:09.07ManoftheSeajhutchins: Well, I wouldn't expect support for external packages, but I was thinking I've got a system that uses the owncloud repo, and another that uses the puppet repo.
20:09.12foubarreHi. I have succeded in hiding login messages for the tty, using .hushlogin method. I now have a blank screen when booting, silently waiting for login. I now want to cover this by an image, using fbi. I tried various things however when tty comes in, image disappears and i'm left with a blank display. Any hint?
20:09.20ManoftheSeaI *think* owncloud was removed from jessie
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20:09.28jhutchins,v owncloud
20:09.29juddPackage: owncloud on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 7.0.2+dfsg-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 7.0.3~rc2~20141023+dfsg-1; sid: 7.0.3~rc3+dfsg-1
20:09.50ManoftheSeaoh, thanks.
20:10.22jhutchinsManoftheSea: It's less certain that external projects are keeping in sync with what Debian packages are doing, so there could be conflicts.
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20:10.58ManoftheSeaYeah, and I understand that.  I don't really have an example, I image the details might matter.
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20:11.16jhutchinsManoftheSea: For example, one of the complaints about dmm is that his version system may not allow a smooth upgrade to a new release.
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21:00.05rgrfoubarre: what do you mean "silently waiting for login"?
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21:08.31fmostin your opinion, what is the easiest way to keep a folder tree synchronized between my work and personal laptop?
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21:09.02fmostit will probably be a multi-GB folder so i'd rather not use cloud solutions, but the actual updates from day to day will be small
21:09.12fmosti was having a look at rsync
21:09.49babilenfmost: https://git-annex.branchable.com/assistant/remote_sharing_walkthrough/
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21:12.12rgrfmost: just use rsync. Its great. ssh - look at using ssh keys.
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21:13.59fmostcan i setup an rsync daemon that automatically syncs stuff when i plug together both pcs in the same subnet?
21:14.21fmostgit-annex looks good, almost dropbox-like, but the need for a jabber account makes me a little bit wary
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21:14.35fmosti suppose it's using it to transmit what gets updated and what is not
21:14.46fmostand then does the real transfer with git
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21:15.12rsqrlxIs there a good book to learn vim?
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21:16.22fmostrsqrlx, i have read a bit of practical vim, and it looked good
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21:16.41fmostbut mainly i just forced myself to use vim all the time until i got the gist of it
21:16.58babilenrsqrlx: Try #vim, they have useful factoids in place
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21:17.49BartlebyI'd recommend Steven King. You're probably not going to learn much from a book on it, so you might as well enjoy yourself while not learning about it.
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21:18.15Aldodoes anyone here?
21:18.20BartlebyOnline docs are pretty good tho.
21:18.24rsqrlxIt's certainly interesting, I'll try it out. Thanks
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21:19.18babilenrsqrlx: Not going to join?
21:19.36rsqrlxI will. I didn't see your reply until now. Sorry about that.
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21:32.18thoonaiheyho, does debian 8 will have bash 4.3?
21:32.48babilenjudd: v bash
21:32.50juddPackage: bash on i386 -- squeeze: 4.1-3; squeeze-security-lts: 4.1-3+deb6u2; wheezy: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3; jessie: 4.3-11; sid: 4.3-11
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21:32.53babilenthoonai: ^^
21:33.25thoonaibabilen: cool :)
21:33.35thoonaithanks :)
21:33.38babilennp
21:33.49babilenYou can also search yourself on http://packages.debian.org
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21:36.59thoonaibabilen: thx
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21:39.20AR45Hello..
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21:39.43AR45My terminal displays question marks for some characters
21:39.48AR45How can I fix this?
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21:40.36dondelelcaroAR45: http://cran.r-project.org/doc/manuals/r-release/R-exts.html#Specifying-imports-and-exports IIRC
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21:41.28dondelelcaroAR45: err, sorry. That has nothing to do with you. ;-)
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21:45.11jordiladear #debian community
21:45.21jordilai was remotely performing maintenance tasks on a Debian Wheezy LAMP  on production server... :-/
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21:45.58jordilaSuddenly i've got 'broken pipe' upon my ssh session in the middle of 'apt-get update && upgrade" process... now LAMP server is KO :-/
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21:46.15nkuttlerjordila: define ko
21:46.19nkuttler!tell jordila about errors
21:46.45nkuttlerjordila: also, start using screen or tmux
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21:47.16jordilankuttler ... thanks, sorry KO means Websites served are not available...
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21:47.34nkuttlerjordila: and... can you still ssh in?
21:47.56jordilaYEs SSH connection is now fine... Websites : NOT FOUND
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21:48.09AR45http://i58.tinypic.com/jrffaq.png
21:48.11jordilajust rebooted the server...
21:48.11nkuttlerjordila: ok. run apt-get -f install
21:48.25jordilaok nkuttler...
21:48.30nkuttlerAR45: we really don't need that
21:48.31jordilathanks!
21:48.49AR45nkuttler: did i upload the wrong thing?
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21:48.59nkuttlerjordila: and really, start using screen or tmux
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21:49.15AR45nkuttler: hm nope looks right
21:49.19nkuttlerAR45: it certainly looked useless
21:49.38AR45The ???
21:49.45AR45How can I get rid of them?
21:49.46nkuttleroh, you actually had a question..
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21:50.18nkuttlerAR45: you should probably ask in the weechat channel. now idea what kind of characters it displays there
21:50.26nkuttlerAR45: are you running that in a termina? which one?
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21:51.15AR45nkuttler: LXTerminal
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21:51.29jordilankuttler , as per your suggestion ,  '# apt-get -f install '
21:51.49nkuttlerAR45: try in a different terminal first, like xterm and/or urxvt
21:52.12jordila... --> " E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem."
21:52.12jordilamay i just follow system's suggestion now ? :-/
21:52.18jordilathanks again!
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21:52.26nkuttlerAR45: could be a unicode issue i guess.. i'd try rxvt-unicode
21:52.29nkuttlerjordila: yes
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22:08.41Fuslcan someone help me fixing my locales settings? i tried with apt-get install locales; locales-gen en_US.UTF-8; update-locale LANG=en_US.UTF_8; but all it keeps telling at the last command is "*** update-locale: Error: invalid locale settings:  LANG=en_US.UTF-8" .. i tried googling around, etc., but unfortunately dpkg-reconfigure locales is not an option for me as i have to generate locales in non-interactive
22:08.41Fuslmode on a few thousand debian servers
22:08.46jordiladamned... https://gist.github.com/jordila/ebe72e44b81fdc4d9bd5
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22:10.26jordilaany hints !? thanks for your support :-)
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22:11.51nkuttlerjordila: try dpkg --configure mysql-server-5.5, then again -a
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22:13.34jordilasure, thanks nkuttler
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22:15.31babilenFusl: Edit /etc/locale.gen and /etc/default/locale, run "locale-gen" and "update-locate $LANG" afterwards.
22:15.56babilenFusl: cf. /var/lib/dpkg/info/locales.postinst
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22:16.50jordilankuttler , https://gist.github.com/jordila/3df558744ca2ecf5ada6
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22:17.25jordila(situation seems to improve... but LAMP Server is still KO )
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22:20.59jordilankuttler , the curious thing is that http://patagonia-images.com is hosted in the same Debian (LAMP) server in plain html5+ccs3+JS ... but NOT FOUND too  (!) :-/
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22:21.29aukaicuewhy does the debian installer force me to erase the entire hard drive when I do an encrypted hd install. Other distro installers give this as an option.
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22:22.00alt^255Hi. I think this bug is still valid and should be re-opened https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=728346. How could I do that?
22:22.17tethra_aukaicue: you can cancel the wipe and just continue, if memory serves
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22:28.08nkuttlerjordila: well.. now it's time to read the httpd config
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22:28.37nkuttlerjordila: ah, your mysql fails..
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22:29.43nkuttlerput a set -x on the second line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.5.postinst, then re-run the dpkg command
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22:39.30DirksonHey all. libhal-dev is in stable and unstable. Where'd it move in testing?
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22:40.41nkuttler,v libhal-dev
22:40.42juddPackage: libhal-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 0.5.14-3; wheezy: 0.5.14-8
22:40.53nkuttlerdoesn't seem to be in sid at all
22:40.54daemonkeeperhal is dead.
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22:41.35relaxed<hal> i'm afraid i can't do that
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22:42.00Dirksondaemonkeeper: That's fine. Never much liked it. But the software I'm trying to compile still needs the damn thing
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22:43.08Dirksonnkuttler: Ah, yup, I see - Only in sid for 'm68k'
22:43.18daemonkeeperAnd m68k is dead, too :p
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22:43.43DirksonHonestly don't even know what it is : )
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22:44.38nkuttleri wrote assembly for that chip.. well.. at least i tried
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22:46.35jordilankuttler , indeed i have two problems now, seems to, 1.- MySQL Server 2.- httpd ... (i have a clue for 2.- ... but no for 1.- ... i'll come back! thanks again )
22:46.39jordila:-)
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23:35.20richacanyone know why get a black screen when installing nvidia prop drivers on a newly compiled kernel?
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23:35.59richacis it because i am using apt-get install,   instead of compiling it from nvidia source?  or something else?
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23:36.35richacnouveaux randomly freezes my pc so i'm trying with the latest kernel to see if it makes a diff
23:37.03richacbut i'm wondering if maybe there is osmehing i'm missing.  is it a must to compile the driver if on a custom kernel?
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23:38.38craki need some help with an dist-upgrade from stable to testing
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23:39.20Shadow`what kind of help crak ?
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23:40.31crakShadow`: http://pastebin.com/HZJGYHmz
23:40.53Hestonis it possible to start a debian installation off a usb stick without having to format it
23:41.01craki then try apt-get -f install and it blocks in Preconfiguring packages ...
23:41.16crakwith dpkg using 100% cpu
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23:41.36dvsHeston: ??? What do you mean?
23:41.46richaccrak: did you install custom kernel?
23:41.51crakno
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23:42.06Hestondvs, i dont have any dvds or cds to burn atm, but ive got a usb stick
23:42.43richaccrak: what do you mean "blocks in preconfiguring packages"
23:42.55dvsHeston: You can put the installer on a USB stick but you'll lose whatever is on the USB stick now.
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23:43.04crakits been like that for almost an hour with dpkg using 100%
23:43.14richaccan you pastedbin what you mean?
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23:43.27Hestondvs, ok so the answer is i can do the installation from usb but id need to format it
23:43.38richacHeston: yep
23:44.10dvsHeston: Well, the process will overwrite whatever is there
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23:44.22Hestonwell shit..thats my backup medium
23:44.23crakrichac: http://pastebin.com/uHyUC5Ct
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23:46.16crak29158 root      20   0 27020 3240 1148 R  99.8  0.1  18:57.06 dpkg
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23:46.49richacis there particular package that you were having problems with?
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23:47.17crakthe conflicts are in the previous paste
23:47.22richaci see one solution online about overwriting /var/lib/dpkg with a backup
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23:47.38craklink please?
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23:48.13richaci have to find it again one sec lol
23:48.36richachttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/23935785/dpkg-stuck-in-reading-database
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23:49.40richacdon't know if related but have you tried dpkg --configure -a  first?
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23:50.15richacwhat changes have you made to the system?  resizing partition?  new installs?
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23:50.46seeker63I have loaded wheezy and have loaded my nvidia legacy drivers for my GeForce4 onboard video.  When I open activties and go to root terminal all that shows is a big blue box.  I also can not open other items either
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23:52.03craknew installs
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23:52.21seeker63crak: yes new installs
23:52.26craki normally install testing from a netinstall
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23:52.45richacwhat did you install?  what if you try to purge those packages?  oh i see.....do you have the right repos in sources?
23:52.47crakbut this stable came with the vps
23:52.48j4s0nmchr1st0sAre there any web hosting consultants on here?
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23:53.00richaccrak: did you add the testing repos?
23:53.10crakof course
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23:53.31crakthe problem came on the dist-upgrade from stable to testing after changing the repos and doing apt-get update
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23:53.48richacoh i see
23:54.07seeker63richac: I installed wheezy from cd and then in sources.list i added wheezy main contrib non-free and wheezy-backports main contrib non-free
23:54.25craki tried then to go back to stable and it tried to uninstall login
23:54.29richacseeker63: i'm sorry i was replying to crak
23:54.38crakso i will try to keep testing
23:54.41richacseeker63: what about open source drivers?
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23:55.18seeker63richac: i then did an aptitude update and then proceeded to load the nvidia-legacy-96xx as per the documentation on debians site
23:55.21richaccrak: ya dist-upgrade can break stuff i'd imagine.
23:55.41richacseeker63: but what about using another driver instead?
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23:55.57crakyes, it wasnt so bad other times, but it seems now it is killing the distro
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23:56.22seeker63richac: such as and how would i go about getting it.  nouveau does not work with the geforce4
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23:56.51richacseeker63: i see,  i guess there is no other options except Vesa,  and you probably wouldn't want that
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23:58.06seeker63richac: so could it be the screen resolution?  I went to recovery mode and at prompt typed xranr and it said no video display was loaded
23:58.25richacseeker63: i have no idea i'm sorry
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23:58.42richaci'm having vid driver issues myself right now as well lol
23:58.58richacand i have a much newer card
23:59.00seeker63richas: so that is why I was trying to open a root terminal after the gdm3 loads
23:59.34richacseeker63: because you said the screen starts glitching out right?
23:59.35seeker63richac:  ok thanks do you know a good place in documentation to go for instruction
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