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| 00:02.29 | bsdbeard | dltl, albert einstein meets floating point math |
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| 00:04.49 | dltl | yea i heard he had one of the first 487 ;) |
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| 00:05.54 | dltl | i meant 387 of course |
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| 00:06.46 | bsdbeard | dltl, your idea isn't that far off |
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| 00:08.03 | dltl | bsdbeard: kickstarter worthy? |
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| 00:11.08 | bsdbeard | dltl, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light#Faster_light_.28Casimir_vacuum_and_quantum_tunnelling.29 |
| 00:11.19 | bsdbeard | you tell me |
| 00:12.46 | sandrossv | onto jessie/sid, after installing qemu, there isn't "qemu" binary. https://wiki.debian.org/QEMU |
| 00:12.52 | sandrossv | hello :) |
| 00:13.08 | bsdbeard | sandrossv, check with dpkg where it installed the binaries |
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| 00:13.27 | bsdbeard | you might need sudo qemu or something else |
| 00:13.35 | dltl | which qemu or locate /bin/qemu |
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| 00:14.40 | dltl | bsdbeard: we gonna need a few 80 core 64 bit machines to be kickstarter funded ... right ? ;) |
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| 00:16.52 | qjqqyy | http://puu.sh/cpjzH/d4639a084e.png |
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| 00:16.59 | qjqqyy | a noob got shellshocked |
| 00:17.33 | qjqqyy | how did that line make it into init scripts? (outdated debian squeeze not lts) |
| 00:18.48 | somiaj | if you have an outdated squeeze box there are plenty of known vulnabilitys. If someone can exploit them they can put things like that on your box to take it over. |
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| 00:19.03 | somiaj | qjqqyy: at this poitn I would consider nothing safe on that box and take it down and reinstall from scratch |
| 00:19.03 | bsdbeard | dltl, at least 42 |
| 00:19.58 | deepblue | how to fix this? http://paste.debian.net/128613/ |
| 00:19.58 | qjqqyy | yea about to do that |
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| 00:20.10 | qjqqyy | it isn't my box and the owner "doesn't give a f" |
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| 00:20.24 | qjqqyy | *sigh* |
| 00:20.43 | Spec | that doesn't look great |
| 00:21.02 | somiaj | qjqqyy: he will if there is any illegal material the box gets used for and he gets arrested. But you could just turn off the interfaces or put up a very strick firewall to keep it from doing anything else |
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| 00:21.22 | qjqqyy | somiaj: it's ok I'm nuking it |
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| 00:22.09 | somiaj | deepblue: are you trying to fsck a mounted read/write file system? |
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| 00:22.57 | garrettr | Is it possible to sign an apt repository with multiple keys? |
| 00:23.05 | deepblue | somiaj, nope,not mounted |
| 00:23.19 | bsdbeard | qjqqyy, DDOS client? |
| 00:23.30 | garrettr | I see what appears to be a reference to doing so here: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#Debian_archive_key_expiry |
| 00:23.53 | qjqqyy | yep, it is a ddos client |
| 00:24.09 | bsdbeard | qjqqyy, I dont understand, why did the owner of the box run a script that downloads a ddos client |
| 00:24.13 | qjqqyy | googled about it, apparently those scripts and tools are related to stablehost.us, a known malicious domain |
| 00:24.30 | qjqqyy | shellshock vuln, bsdbeard |
| 00:24.43 | qjqqyy | that guy runs apache2.2 on debian squeeze-no-lts |
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| 00:25.31 | bsdbeard | wow |
| 00:25.41 | farmbuyer | gutsy |
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| 00:26.07 | bsdbeard | qjqqyy, did he have any personal info on that box? |
| 00:26.16 | somiaj | deepblue: that is not what the error I see says. |
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| 00:26.38 | qjqqyy | bsdbeard: doubt it, it's a free vps |
| 00:27.01 | qjqqyy | and it's only 10 Mbit |
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| 00:28.44 | qjqqyy | bsdbeard: http://puu.sh/cpltS/f4cab11d9e.png that's how it went into /etc/init.d/ssh |
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| 00:30.26 | bsdbeard | qjqqyy, it boggles my mind that someones job is to do this shit |
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| 00:30.53 | bsdbeard | qjqqyy, wait for vulnerabilities to get announced and then quickly exploit them before everyone patches up |
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| 00:41.28 | qjqqyy | well bsdbeard that was a huge vuln and it's mainly exploiting lazy people who don't patch |
| 00:41.55 | qjqqyy | unix sysadmins should never "leave things untouched" imo |
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| 00:43.39 | bezaban | worked from some offline qnx utility servers I knwo of |
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| 00:46.26 | dltl | yea but supposedly the vulnerability is bash cgi - ?? |
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| 00:47.49 | qjqqyy | it's webmin |
| 00:47.54 | sandrossv | didnt find it qemu. https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/qemu-system-x86/filelist |
| 00:48.02 | qjqqyy | dltl: if you're interested https://vpsboard.com/topic/5560-webmin-exploit-on-the-loose/ |
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| 00:51.12 | dltl | qjqqyy: i'm sure you've seen the 'shellshock' demo code - we tried to do it in a cgi bash but it didn't do anything - interesting though for sure |
| 00:51.47 | dltl | the env var shellshock code |
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| 00:57.09 | Matt3o12 | Hey, I have two startup scripts in /etc/rc.local both scripts will never exit (or better they should never exit because if one does, something went wrong). So my question is: how should I start these? Just add & to the end of both? |
| 00:57.34 | dltl | indeed |
| 00:58.02 | dltl | they have 'while true' in them? |
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| 00:58.19 | Matt3o12 | Not exactly. They just start a server that never ends. |
| 00:58.31 | Matt3o12 | In this case: websocket server. |
| 00:58.48 | dltl | yea use the & |
| 00:59.06 | dltl | maybe a sleep 1 after each |
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| 00:59.38 | Matt3o12 | so will âscript.py >> /var/log/app/server.log || exit $? &â or do I need to put them in parentheses? |
| 00:59.50 | Matt3o12 | why? The run independently⦠|
| 01:00.23 | dltl | something like (script ...... >> log ) & |
| 01:00.35 | Matt3o12 | Oh, yeah right |
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| 01:05.32 | freebsdbeard | sorry |
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| 01:08.37 | Matt3o12 | Mhh.. the script in rh.local â(/home/app/startfrontend.py &>> /var/log/app/server.log) &)â never starts and server.log is empty.. Any suggestions how to debug that? When I enter (â¦) manually, everthing works (there is even output in the logfile). The logfile is created on startup even if it doesnât exist (so that line is executed).... |
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| 01:09.35 | dltl | what is rh.local |
| 01:10.05 | Matt3o12 | Sorry, I meant /etc/rc.local |
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| 01:10.35 | dltl | try scrypt.py &> log |
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| 01:13.18 | Matt3o12 | Doesnât seem to be running and there is still no output in the log fille (but it does work when I call it by hand (ie. when I enter that inside the terminal).... |
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| 01:14.06 | dltl | you sure the rc.local gets there? put a echo "asdfasfsdfs" ; sleep 5 right about the script line |
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| 01:18.51 | Matt3o12 | I put a echo âI get thereâ > /tmp/log.txt and echo âexiââ >> /tmp/log.txt at the end of the script (the next line) and both get called and print to /tmp/log.txt |
| 01:20.20 | dltl | is the script executable ? put an echo in the script - you said it worked on cli though |
| 01:20.59 | Matt3o12 | Interesting⦠When I call sh rc.local I get [1]+ Terminated ( /home/app/startfrontend.py &>/var/log/app/server.log ) |
| 01:21.29 | Matt3o12 | but when I type the line in the cli, it works... |
| 01:21.45 | dltl | looks like your script doesn't stay running as you think ;) |
| 01:21.53 | dltl | source it |
| 01:22.36 | Matt3o12 | I think I found the mistake⦠It is a shellscript I named py... |
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| 01:25.38 | Matt3o12 | No, it was the mistake... |
| 01:25.42 | Matt3o12 | *wasn't |
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| 01:30.14 | Matt3o12 | Is there no pushd command in shell? |
| 01:30.26 | dltl | push |
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| 01:31.02 | dltl | pushd is there |
| 01:31.07 | Matt3o12 | # push |
| 01:31.07 | Matt3o12 | sh: 1: push: not found |
| 01:31.21 | dltl | what shell are you using btw? |
| 01:31.40 | Matt3o12 | But it is linked to dash -.- |
| 01:31.47 | Matt3o12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.58 | dltl | put a 'source' or '. ' before the script |
| 01:32.02 | dltl | try sourceing it |
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| 01:34.38 | Matt3o12 | source (/home/app/startfrontend.sh &> /var/log/app/server.log) & |
| 01:34.45 | Matt3o12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.07 | Matt3o12 | dot doesnât work either |
| 01:35.39 | dltl | put the source in the ( and no final & |
| 01:35.53 | dltl | and no need for any () |
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| 01:37.27 | Matt3o12 | renaming it to startfrontend.bash and replacing /bin/sh to /bin/bash has helped :) |
| 01:37.34 | Matt3o12 | Should I do source anyway? |
| 01:37.52 | dltl | mine works ? maybe it is dash that is different |
| 01:38.24 | Matt3o12 | No, chaning the fist line of my script to #!/bin/bash has done the job... |
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| 01:38.38 | dltl | mmmm that makes it executable |
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| 01:38.50 | Matt3o12 | Because there appearently is no pushd in dash... |
| 01:39.20 | dltl | so the script was exiting because of the error? |
| 01:39.55 | Matt3o12 | Appearently yes. But there was no output in the log (maybe because of the &) |
| 01:40.06 | Matt3o12 | What advantages does dash have anyway? |
| 01:40.26 | Matt3o12 | Or why is it symboliked sh to dash and not bash? |
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| 01:41.14 | dltl | bash has a set -e |
| 01:42.14 | Matt3o12 | Buy why is the default shell in debian dash and not bash⦠|
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| 01:44.24 | marioxcc` | hello |
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| 01:49.28 | farmbuyer | Matt3o12: dash is about one-tenth the size of bash. There's a ton of features in bash for interactive use that you don't need in startup scripts, it'd be wasted overhead. |
| 01:49.47 | Matt3o12 | Oh, ok. |
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| 01:50.07 | Matt3o12 | Because all other distros I use (CentOS and even Mac) use bash... |
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| 01:55.06 | marioxcc | hello. can you guys recommend a VPS that accepts Bitcoins, supports Debian and gives VNC access (from outside the server)? |
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| 01:59.00 | marioxcc | hello. can you guys recommend a VPS that accepts Bitcoins, supports Debian and gives VNC access (from outside the server)? |
| 02:00.24 | mentor | marioxcc: "allows" VNC? Surely you can run whatever services you want on your VPS? |
| 02:00.41 | mentor | marioxcc: I think there was a list of Debian hosting providers on the wiki |
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| 02:02.23 | marioxcc | mentor: any service that deserves to be called VPS will allow it to be run from inside, but I'm asking about providers which run it from outside the contrated VPS |
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| 02:02.38 | marioxcc | so that it's possible for instance, to install a distribution |
| 02:02.47 | marioxcc | from the ISO |
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| 02:04.45 | cjbirk | hi |
| 02:05.20 | marioxcc | hello |
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| 02:06.36 | cjbirk | i am trying to install Debian with a USB stick. I used unetbootin to copy the install DVD to a USB stick. When I boot from the USB stick, debian installer is looking for a CD ROM, when it fails to find it, it doesnt allow me to go through with the rest of the installation. is there a way around this? |
| 02:07.48 | marioxcc | cjbirk: I suppose, I installed Debian from my HD |
| 02:07.54 | marioxcc | but I don't remember how |
| 02:08.00 | cjbirk | ... |
| 02:08.01 | marioxcc | there's good documentation about it: |
| 02:08.06 | marioxcc | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.html.en |
| 02:08.12 | cjbirk | thanks |
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| 02:10.46 | mentor | marioxcc: I've only ever used Xen based providers where there is no graphical console for a VNC server to export. |
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| 02:11.43 | marioxcc | mentor: ok, thanks for your time and your honest answer |
| 02:12.56 | mentor | I think for Debian most providers find it much easier simply to install disk images, and dispense with the idea of an optical disk entirely |
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| 02:13.32 | mentor | Indeed, given that it's Debian one can upgrade package from within the VPS |
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| 02:15.11 | marioxcc | mentor: well, there's a VPS that offers VNC access and automatically mounts common CD images at request |
| 02:15.20 | marioxcc | https://www.bluevm.com/knowledgebase.php?action=displayarticle&id=1 |
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| 02:15.28 | marioxcc | I was asking about VPS like this |
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| 02:20.09 | mentor | marioxcc: You, no doubt, have some unmentioned reason why you want this, but in the absence of this, I was just pointing out that it may be an unnecessary requirement when one can simply proceed from a Debian base system anyway. |
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| 02:21.15 | marioxcc | mentor: if I want to reinstall the system, then I need VNC access |
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| 02:21.28 | marioxcc | otherwise, how would I control debian-installer? |
| 02:23.00 | mentor | My point is that you likely don't need anything in debian-installer |
| 02:23.44 | marioxcc | mentor: what do you recommend to move the whole system to LVM; if the VPS provider offers only images using raw partitions? |
| 02:24.39 | mentor | There's the unmentioned requirement |
| 02:24.59 | mentor | Personally I would create an image for them to deploy |
| 02:25.20 | mentor | Then I could return to that state at will, and I wouldn't have to feck about with VNC |
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| 02:26.22 | marioxcc | mentor: I don't have worked with a VPS of my own. Do VPS provider typically provide a means to upload image of one own? |
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| 02:28.44 | mentor | My experience of VPS providers is that the least they can be involved with dealing with inside the VPS the better. Simply deploying writing out an image that they don't have to further deal with is ideal to them. |
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| 02:29.38 | mentor | If you want to go with a non-VNC host that doesn't seem to provide the install that you want, my advice would be simply to ask them what they do for non-standard setups. |
| 02:29.46 | mentor | If you find a VNC host that you like, do that. |
| 02:29.59 | mentor | I hope I have been helpful. |
| 02:30.46 | marioxcc | mentor: Very much!, thanks you! |
| 02:30.54 | marioxcc | by any chance |
| 02:31.11 | marioxcc | do you know how to set up the default transmission rate for wireless network? |
| 02:31.42 | marioxcc | I can set it up with iwconfig, and it's kept even if I re-connect, but it can't be set with iwconfig |
| 02:31.52 | marioxcc | unless the interface is connected already |
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| 02:35.31 | SpeakerToMeat | Greetings |
| 02:36.14 | SpeakerToMeat | Question, I see usb_modeswitch in wheezy comes with all profiles packed into a .tar.gz in /usr/share, if I add my own profile file to /etc/usb_modeswitch.d will it be read too or should I append it to the tar? |
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| 02:39.09 | mentor | marioxcc: There may be something in systctl, but I suspect it's something that's more likely to be done per connection |
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| 02:40.33 | mentor | marioxcc: Are you using network-manager? |
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| 02:42.08 | mentor | SpeakerToMeat: The correct place to put system specific configuration is /etc/ or, rarely, /usr/local. Appending it to the .tar.gz is certainly wrong but I'm not certain /etc/usb_modeswitch.d is all that is necessary for correct function |
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| 02:52.17 | Resilience | hello to everyone, where is pulseaudio REALLY used? are there any programs that use it? |
| 02:52.36 | knosys | Hi , could someone help me with hdmi audio in debian 7.7? uname -a = Linux dpc 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.63-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux. I have like 4 different devices for hdmi (thats normal i think) but nomatter which i enable or what i do, they wont work. Any ideas? Thanks |
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| 02:55.36 | Resilience | knosys, are you running pulseaudio? |
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| 03:00.25 | SpeakerToMeat | mentor: It seems it is |
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| 03:00.36 | SpeakerToMeat | mentor: Other than touching the udev file too of course |
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| 03:01.47 | knosys | Resilience: no |
| 03:02.22 | knosys | phonon kde control modeule, can that be? |
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| 03:02.30 | knosys | module* |
| 03:02.32 | mentor | Resilience: Errr⦠all audio on my system goes through pulseaudio, the same as the vast majority of desktop systems |
| 03:02.56 | Resilience | not using kde nor phonon |
| 03:02.59 | Resilience | using fxce |
| 03:03.11 | knosys | xfce? |
| 03:03.13 | Resilience | not using desktop systems attached to systemd nothing more |
| 03:03.15 | Resilience | yes |
| 03:03.17 | Resilience | xfce |
| 03:03.21 | knosys | i see |
| 03:03.27 | Resilience | and my xfce is using alsamixer |
| 03:03.29 | mentor | sniffs Resilience suspiciously |
| 03:03.30 | knosys | i used to like xfce a lot |
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| 03:04.09 | mentor | knosys: How many HDMi output do you actually have? |
| 03:04.16 | Resilience | I forced myself gnome3 for 2 years |
| 03:04.17 | knosys | just one |
| 03:04.34 | Resilience | that two yeras find myself leaving more and more my linux for my windows |
| 03:04.56 | mentor | Resilience: Troll elsewhere or I will remove you |
| 03:05.05 | Resilience | ultil I have to give a course for linux, I used xfce and realized that gnome 3 was the origin of my linux leaving |
| 03:05.09 | mentor | (Actually, don't troll at all) |
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| 03:05.11 | knosys | mentor: one in my graphic card, connected to my screen. the screen has its own speakers |
| 03:05.56 | Resilience | mentor noto trolling, just explaining why I am asking where is pulseaudio used |
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| 03:06.13 | knosys | it used to work (i always see like 4 diferent channel on that HDMI, 2 of them for 5.1 sound, the other ones are just HD sound. Usually one of those HD sound woks, i have made it to work on xubuntu and debian with gnome too |
| 03:06.30 | knosys | in this same version (maybe it was 7.6 not 100% sure) |
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| 03:07.44 | knosys | then i also have the classic integrated sound card, then there is like another audio device, regular one. But i havent even try that one because i dont have jack speakers, i just have headphones |
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| 03:08.48 | knosys | i could make some screenshots if needed , or whatever that help you to check whats happening. Thanks in advance |
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| 03:10.20 | Resilience | knosys, what have you done since it worked to now that is not working? |
| 03:10.27 | knosys | i havent |
| 03:10.30 | knosys | i reinstaled OS |
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| 03:10.36 | knosys | with different grapgic enviroment |
| 03:10.38 | knosys | just that |
| 03:10.44 | knosys | graphic* |
| 03:10.52 | knosys | and since i did that, i cant play audio |
| 03:10.57 | knosys | in the main speakers |
| 03:11.21 | mentor | knosys: Is this an nvidia card? |
| 03:11.24 | knosys | and well, i reinstalled totally, i mean, i formated the harddrive, fresh install of debian 7.7 |
| 03:11.27 | Resilience | knosys, have you checked that you have all volume controls up and not sileced? happened to me sometime ago |
| 03:11.27 | knosys | yes |
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| 03:11.39 | knosys | checked |
| 03:11.46 | knosys | Resilience: hahah |
| 03:11.57 | Resilience | knosys, happened to me :( |
| 03:12.02 | knosys | yes i checked a lot of times, a lot of different things before asking :D |
| 03:12.10 | knosys | hehe |
| 03:13.28 | Resilience | knosys, have you cheked dmesg? nothing wrong there? |
| 03:13.29 | knosys | mentor: i installed the nvidia-kms , then created the xorg.conf file |
| 03:13.42 | knosys | no i havent checked that, what is that man? |
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| 03:14.17 | knosys | so now graphics works greatly! but no sound yet |
| 03:14.55 | mentor | knosys: Try using similar to "pasuspender -- speaker-test -D hdmi -c 8 -m FL,FC,FR,RR,RRC,RLC,RL,LFE" to check each output directly. |
| 03:15.21 | Resilience | knosys, dmesg | grep <whatever you want about audio> |
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| 03:15.45 | knosys | mentor: why similar? what should be changed? |
| 03:16.02 | knosys | is there some info about the channel, that i should be chaging for switch devices? |
| 03:16.13 | mentor | You have multiple HDMIs and different speakers |
| 03:16.24 | mentor | and channels |
| 03:16.37 | knosys | well in the real world |
| 03:16.43 | mentor | Check the manual page |
| 03:16.51 | knosys | i have only 1 hdmi cable pluged in the only hdmsi slot that my pc has |
| 03:17.01 | knosys | then i have jack audio slot, but noont pluged |
| 03:17.20 | knosys | so the only real audio device that shoiuld be working now are the speakers, thourgh hdmi |
| 03:17.32 | knosys | the headphones i have are not even pluged |
| 03:19.55 | knosys | but even then, ive got like 4 hdmi devices to switch, i dont understand that. But i guess its different channels that the audio card can play |
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| 03:21.51 | mentor | It's because it's nvidia hardware |
| 03:22.01 | knosys | mentor: invalid option "m" |
| 03:22.10 | knosys | -m seems that doesnt work |
| 03:22.32 | mentor | Noone knows how to work to which output is which, and nvidia ain't sharing |
| 03:22.45 | knosys | it should be hdmi 2 |
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| 03:22.49 | knosys | it was on previous OS |
| 03:22.58 | knosys | the others just didnt work |
| 03:23.04 | knosys | but now i have try all of them |
| 03:23.05 | Resilience | knosys, , before reinstalling was hardware your working? |
| 03:23.11 | knosys | yes |
| 03:23.40 | knosys | it was my main audio output |
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| 03:27.10 | knosys | mentor: what means the -m ? |
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| 03:37.35 | Resilience | mm systemd-shim is deprecated? |
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| 03:40.46 | knosys | ok guys i got something interesting |
| 03:40.56 | knosys | i edited /etc/default/pulseaudio |
| 03:41.30 | knosys | PULSEAUDIO_SYSTEM_START=0 , i changed it to 1 |
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| 03:42.06 | knosys | now i have different vissuals of the phonon kde controls |
| 03:42.14 | knosys | anyway still not working yet :P |
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| 03:43.26 | knosys | i see 4 visible channels of the device, named: IEC958 , IEC958 2, ETC |
| 03:43.39 | knosys | but noone of them its on avilable channel's list |
| 03:44.01 | knosys | of course hdmi its pluged since its my video output too rightnow |
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| 03:49.23 | knosys | lol i just noticed i can drag to available list.. im newbie in kde |
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| 03:54.29 | knosys | i have nothing yet. If someone could help me to configure my system audio i would appreciate. Thanks in advance |
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| 03:59.58 | Resilience | knosys, that's the problem with a program that doesn't do logs and that cannot be separated from systemd... you should start removing pulseaudio, checking that your sound works with only alsa, and the adding pulseaduio anc checking in the (inexistent) logs what is going on... and now If someone thinks I am a troll and not an engineer can ban me (for being a dissident)... If you are brave you can try what I told you in private, but I'm afraid |
| 03:59.59 | Resilience | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:01.13 | knosys | i dont really believe on uninstalling-installing again in this system |
| 04:01.32 | knosys | i really belieave there are config files anywhere that could be fixed |
| 04:01.52 | knosys | believe* |
| 04:02.32 | Resilience | knosys, have you tried searching in the logs for if there any? |
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| 04:03.41 | knosys | i got no error messages Resilience , what do you want me to look in what log file exactly? |
| 04:04.13 | Resilience | knosys, in dmesg or in /var/log/syslog |
| 04:04.21 | Resilience | don't know waht |
| 04:04.26 | knosys | lol |
| 04:04.32 | Resilience | someting about the configuration, errors, whatever |
| 04:04.37 | knosys | there are no errors, im just not getting output :/ |
| 04:04.43 | Resilience | ah |
| 04:04.57 | Resilience | my car is not broken, it is only that it does not satrt |
| 04:05.04 | Resilience | of course... not broken... |
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| 04:06.25 | knosys | no errors on the log also.. |
| 04:06.33 | knosys | have just checked |
| 04:06.37 | Rusty1 | knosys: try typing: alsamixer in a terminal |
| 04:06.59 | knosys | ok what now? |
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| 04:07.36 | knosys | ok , i switched to nvidia card |
| 04:07.49 | knosys | ill try to reproduce with f3 different channels |
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| 04:07.55 | Rusty1 | right - left arrows to select output, up/down to change levels. spacebar to un M ute |
| 04:08.16 | knosys | what level? volume level? i cant change it from 0 |
| 04:09.01 | Rusty1 | is the soundcard recognized? |
| 04:09.04 | Resilience | Knaldgas, uf your system is configured as em you'll have te default putput which is... pulseaudio... you sould select none from your card |
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| 04:10.33 | knosys | Rusty1: how to see that? There is NVIDIA GPU 0b HDMI/DP |
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| 04:11.20 | Rusty1 | in the top left of alsamixer, F6 may have options |
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| 04:12.19 | knosys | Yes, thats how i choosed HDA NVIDIA, when i do so, there is information up: Card: HDA Nvidia, Chip: Nvidia GPU 0b HDMI / DP |
| 04:12.43 | knosys | but when i choose that card, i cant change volume levels, there is 4 channel all at 00 |
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| 04:13.47 | Rusty1 | can you change the 00 by up/down arrows on keyboard |
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| 04:14.39 | knosys | no i can't |
| 04:16.45 | Rusty1 | knosys: not sure what to suggest other than a visit to #alsa and #nvidia |
| 04:17.04 | Resilience | I suggest to remove pulseaudio |
| 04:17.24 | knosys | Rusty1: are you sure you are suggesting me to ask other place than debian for this? |
| 04:17.31 | Resilience | I suppouse alsa controlsl are stucked becuase it is pulseaudio confiuratd, so removing it would free the controls |
| 04:17.46 | knosys | i mean... i just installed fresh new debian 7.7 on a computer bought on 2014 |
| 04:17.55 | knosys | and i just cant play audio |
| 04:18.05 | Rusty1 | knosys: ask there , wait here , up to you |
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| 04:18.12 | knosys | so you suggest me to go asking #nvidia ? XD |
| 04:18.17 | knosys | oki |
| 04:18.38 | Guest89357 | Hi there, I've been trying to configure a transmission-daemon on my server for ages but failing epically. Just uninstalled it and then removed all folders called "transmission-daemon" on the server. Now when I reinstalled it, it doesn't recognize the service... |
| 04:18.40 | Resilience | Knaldgas, mmmm remove puleaudio, remove the systemd init system, install sysvinit-core, try to noto use kde nor gnome and then maybe you can play sound |
| 04:19.22 | knosys | xD i agree more with that |
| 04:19.25 | Resilience | Guest89357, try woth apt-purge |
| 04:19.32 | knosys | i had xubuntu yesterday and sound worked just fine |
| 04:19.39 | kerneloopz | apt-get purge |
| 04:19.44 | Resilience | then use xubuntu ;d |
| 04:19.54 | Resilience | THAT, APT-GET PURGE SORRY |
| 04:19.57 | Resilience | my |
| 04:19.58 | Resilience | caps |
| 04:20.01 | Resilience | sorry :( |
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| 04:20.19 | knosys | kerneloopz: that was to me? |
| 04:20.28 | Resilience | no, for Guest89357 |
| 04:20.35 | knosys | ok |
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| 04:21.02 | knosys | and Rusty1 thanks for trying anyway |
| 04:22.06 | Guest89357 | Resilience: as in apt-get remove transmission-daemon --purge |
| 04:22.23 | Resilience | Guest89357, yes |
| 04:22.29 | Guest89357 | Resilience: and then resintall? |
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| 04:23.41 | Resilience | Guest89357, yes, I suppouse that when you dleted the package you not purged it, and deleted the conf files by hand, and whn reinstalaing it was marked as deleted not purged, so it tries to run the conf files that not exist yet |
| 04:25.32 | phy1729 | If I'm a terible person and what to modify bits directly on disk, how should I do that? |
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| 04:26.05 | Guest89357 | Resilience: I see; that makes sense. Now I'm trying to get this working on a Debian server, do you have a simple tutorial I can follow? |
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| 04:26.57 | knosys | I noticed pulseaudio daemon its not running since i edited /etc/default/pulseaudio and set system_start = 1 |
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| 04:27.30 | knosys | now if i run pulseaudio -D i got and error message: Daemon startup failed in [pulseaudio] main.c |
| 04:27.43 | Resilience | Guest89357, i don't know even that is transmission-dmon, but your problem seemed to be what I have told you :) |
| 04:28.05 | Guest89357 | Alright, anyone have a simple tutorial for setting up transmission-daemon on a Debian server? |
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| 04:40.35 | Resilience | mmmm cab I know which packages are dependant upon a library? |
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| 05:21.39 | gerforce | hello, is there a tool to repair dual boot problem on Debian? I can not boot my win7 on my dual system. |
| 05:21.45 | OERIAS | Debian with Unity |
| 05:21.49 | OERIAS | now possible |
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| 05:24.45 | Froolap | gerforce: that depends on how you are dual booting..... are you using grub? |
| 05:25.51 | gerforce | yes |
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| 05:26.57 | Froolap | I need more information than it doesn't work..... what happens? do you get the grub menu? what errors do you see? |
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| 05:27.24 | gerforce | Froolap:I have dual system on my laptop(win7 on /dev/sda1, debian on /dev/sda6). I reinstall win7 cause it was too slow. Before the installation, i backed up the MBR with command like this: sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=~/mbr.bak bs=512 count=1 . After installation, i boot my computer with a liveCD(knoppix) to recover MBR with command like this (have mounted /dev/sda6) : sudo dd if=/mnt/home/zoujunc/mbr.bak of=/dev/sda bs=446 count=1. Then reboot. Now i can see |
| 05:28.19 | wols_ | gerforce: that was the wrong way to reactivate grub |
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| 05:28.47 | wols_ | !tell gerforce about fixgrub |
| 05:30.19 | gerforce | wols_: you are right. I think too easy. And now i want to fix it. And know more about grub. |
| 05:30.38 | wols_ | dpkg just told you how to fix it |
| 05:30.40 | dpkg | wols_: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 05:31.13 | Froolap | !tell froolap about fixgrub |
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| 05:31.45 | wols_ | !tell froolap about selftell |
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| 05:31.55 | gerforce | wols_: i didnot get any message |
| 05:32.28 | wols_ | you did -> 07:28 <dpkg> told gerforce about fixgrub... |
| 05:32.40 | wols_ | you can also use /msg dpkg fixgrub |
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| 05:34.22 | gerforce | wols_: no response actually |
| 05:34.41 | gerforce | < dpkg> wols_: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 05:41.36 | gerforce | @wols_ @Froolap are you still there? |
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| 05:52.27 | Froolap | blink |
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| 05:55.37 | gerforce | Froolap: when i try to recover grub with "sudo grub-install /dev/sda", it always prompts "/boot/grub/stage1 can not read correctly. |
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| 05:57.19 | Froolap | gerforce: yup, apparently you are not accepting /msg |
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| 06:07.54 | gerforce | Froolap: so ? |
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| 06:22.43 | knosys | hey guys |
| 06:22.45 | knosys | i make it work |
| 06:22.51 | knosys | but completly removing pulseaudio |
| 06:22.59 | knosys | and apt-get autoremove |
| 06:23.40 | knosys | then i found a lot of audio devices in the phonon audio setup, and found the right device |
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| 06:23.56 | knosys | I will need pulseaudio for something? :P |
| 06:24.51 | knosys | should i reinstall back again? |
| 06:25.20 | heurist | dpkg: tell knosys -about enter |
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| 06:25.40 | heurist | knosys: there is no need to reinstall pulse. |
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| 06:26.03 | knosys | really? i can keep like this ? what is pulse for then? |
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| 06:26.53 | heurist | knosys: pulse is an *optional* system for managing sound. stay with alsa if it works. |
| 06:27.32 | knosys | Okay thanks heurist , i read about the enter also. |
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| 06:31.24 | yskapell | hello |
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| 06:31.38 | knosys | hi there |
| 06:31.48 | yskapell | is any way to compile a custom kernel on debian stable and keep the old one just in case? |
| 06:33.11 | wols_ | yskapell: easily. it's the default actually |
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| 06:34.22 | yskapell | I download one from kernel.org |
| 06:34.28 | yskapell | and I will compile it |
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| 06:34.48 | yskapell | I need to know if I can safe keep the old one just n case something go wrong |
| 06:35.21 | heurist | yskapell: yes, the old kernel stays as it is. |
| 06:35.59 | yskapell | ok let's hope so |
| 06:36.09 | wols_ | !tell yskapell about kernel handbook |
| 06:36.26 | yskapell | what about this package? kernel-package |
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| 06:40.16 | wols_ | yskapell: not needed anymore. kernels have a "make deb-pkg" in their default makefile |
| 06:40.47 | knosys | heurist: i cant control volume level ! :D none of the channels listed seems to correspon to the one that is working xD |
| 06:41.40 | knosys | looks like will be always at maximun volumen. there are few aplications that allow me to set the volume there |
| 06:42.36 | emss | multiple sound cards? |
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| 06:44.15 | knosys | yes |
| 06:44.32 | knosys | and removed pulseaudio, because sound wasnt working with it |
| 06:45.04 | knosys | but now i see i cant play with some program like VLC , but i can with juk :P |
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| 06:46.32 | heurist | knosys: do you *need* multiple sound cards. that is a common problem we hear here. disable the one you are not using often fixes things. |
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| 06:47.04 | knosys | uhm, yes, i can disable one of them. Is that possible in debian? Or should i do it in bios? |
| 06:47.10 | knosys | i can disable the integrated one |
| 06:47.56 | heurist | knosys: bios |
| 06:48.09 | knosys | Oki i will reboot |
| 06:48.27 | emss | just tell the mixer which sound card to use |
| 06:48.36 | knosys | He knows |
| 06:48.49 | knosys | its first on the list of preferences |
| 06:48.55 | knosys | It knows * |
| 06:49.33 | knosys | card=nvidia,dev=1 |
| 06:50.06 | knosys | oooh its only set for music , i must configure for all |
| 06:50.17 | knosys | i guess this is the stuff that pulseaudio was helpfull for? |
| 06:50.27 | emss | no idea |
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| 06:56.48 | knosys | hey this is really weird. I found the channel called IEC958 2. But there is no volume level. There is only one button to mute it. So i can mute it, or listen to MAX LEVEL. Thats rock&roll |
| 06:58.32 | knosys | by the way im talking about phonon in KDE, sorry. Its the way you manage the volume here. |
| 06:58.51 | heurist | knosys: IEC958 is a digital out, 0 and 1 (mute and max) are digital, maybe it is being literal? |
| 06:59.25 | knosys | Yeah i guess its working how it should. I can listen to it PRETTY GOOD. xD |
| 06:59.54 | knosys | but i would love to configure a volume level for this, is it possible throught this phonon thing? |
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| 07:01.18 | knosys | its 8AM here and JuK doesnt have volume level, so everytime i test this, my neightbours might be thinking about me |
| 07:01.35 | heurist | knosys: now that you have disabled one sound card, you might try installing pulse and see if that resolves your issues. the general advice is to remove pulse if you have it or to install it if you do not. (: |
| 07:01.45 | emss | if you are using digital out whatever you amplify it with should control the volume? |
| 07:01.56 | heurist | knosys: maybe try a different device/channel or output. |
| 07:02.22 | knosys | emss its a speaker that the monitor has. There is no volume control there |
| 07:02.43 | knosys | heurist: yeah, maybe i should buy a new sound card? |
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| 07:03.10 | emss | knosys: what mixer are you using? |
| 07:03.30 | knosys | default from KDE. Cant see any name here, but i guess its from Phonon |
| 07:03.38 | emss | kmix |
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| 07:03.43 | heurist | knosys: new hardware sounds a bit extreme. |
| 07:03.46 | knosys | yes i think its kmix |
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| 07:03.59 | knosys | yeah heurist i was thinking the same |
| 07:04.14 | knosys | i wasnt planing that anyway :X |
| 07:04.16 | knosys | :D |
| 07:04.48 | emss | knosys: how does the monitor have sound? hdmi? |
| 07:04.53 | knosys | yes |
| 07:05.03 | Faisal | hi guys, say I loose my lan connection, but it gets replugged 1 minute later, is there a way i can make debian to renew its ip automatically (i have a dhcp server on the network) |
| 07:05.26 | emss | I don't think IEC958 has anything to do with hdmi? |
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| 07:06.26 | knosys | Oh.. then how could this be workin? how could this be the only configuration that actually sounds |
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| 07:06.39 | emss | think IEC958 is optical/spdif only |
| 07:06.50 | knosys | Uhm.. damn this is so messed up |
| 07:07.14 | knosys | i have a hugue device list, 4 of them are HDMI. and the second of those, ID=1, that works. |
| 07:07.28 | knosys | so i set it up, but then, KMIX controls does not work with that output |
| 07:07.44 | knosys | well, it has some channel that partially works, but it just mute it completly |
| 07:07.58 | knosys | and that channel name was that, IEC958 2 |
| 07:08.42 | knosys | i havent removed the integrated sound card yet |
| 07:08.44 | knosys | should i? |
| 07:08.53 | knosys | i mean, disabling it by the motherboard |
| 07:09.02 | knosys | i mean i feel like thats a bit extreme and unnecesary |
| 07:09.19 | knosys | sometimes i like to plugin a headphones to the jack output, i would like to keep that |
| 07:09.54 | knosys | So if i disable the motherboard sound card i wont be able to use that jack connector anymore |
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| 07:11.00 | emss | sorry, don't know anything about hdmi/sound :\ find the correct mixer device/channel? |
| 07:11.55 | knosys | np emss , i will keep fighting against kde until i figure it out |
| 07:12.16 | emss | well you are using alsa maybe try alsamixer |
| 07:12.28 | emss | instead of the kmix program |
| 07:12.38 | knosys | uhm |
| 07:12.44 | knosys | lets see |
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| 07:13.02 | emss | and if that does not work amixer |
| 07:13.22 | knosys | F3 its to play a sound right? |
| 07:13.29 | emss | ? |
| 07:13.44 | knosys | on alsamixer interface, pushing F3 button will play a sound to test, right? |
| 07:13.45 | emss | oh in alsamixer :) |
| 07:13.58 | knosys | yes, sorry lol |
| 07:14.05 | emss | no |
| 07:14.24 | knosys | Uhm, so i must play something, and try there? |
| 07:14.34 | emss | that controls sound output |
| 07:14.40 | emss | "playback" |
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| 07:14.47 | emss | yes |
| 07:15.04 | knosys | yes, playback its F3 hotkey. What does it mean? Do it play's some test sound? |
| 07:15.27 | knosys | or its better for me if i play a song in Juk while i use alsamixer? |
| 07:15.29 | ompaul | hdmi should work out of the box |
| 07:15.42 | ompaul | do you have local speakers |
| 07:15.46 | knosys | ompaul on debian 7.7 with KDE enviroment it didnt |
| 07:16.02 | ompaul | is it a laptop or workstation |
| 07:16.09 | emss | no it should the controls for playback, volume, headphone, etc. |
| 07:16.16 | emss | shows* |
| 07:16.33 | knosys | fresh install, workstation, NVIDIA G210 , pluged to a monitor through HDMI, monitor has 1 speaker. |
| 07:16.43 | knosys | no sount at all. |
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| 07:16.51 | knosys | so i removed pulseaudio and i got sound |
| 07:17.05 | knosys | in one of the devices: card HDMI dev 1 |
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| 07:17.33 | knosys | That works, but cant change volume level |
| 07:17.52 | ompaul | how did you install kde? |
| 07:17.56 | knosys | Also, if i use the motherboard soundcard, works all 100% good without problems. |
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| 07:18.12 | knosys | I installed KDE with default debian CD , 7.7 i downloaded today |
| 07:18.17 | ompaul | then try controlling the volume on the monitor |
| 07:18.18 | knosys | netinstall. |
| 07:18.31 | knosys | monitor has no volume control |
| 07:18.33 | ompaul | so you choose kde at install time - not tried to add it later |
| 07:18.44 | emss | knosys: play a song in juk while using alsamixer |
| 07:18.46 | knosys | no, i choosed at installing time |
| 07:18.47 | ompaul | monitor has speaker and no volume control |
| 07:18.58 | knosys | emss: ok |
| 07:19.06 | knosys | yes ompaul thats right |
| 07:19.11 | knosys | as laptops |
| 07:19.25 | ompaul | laptops are controlled via keyboard most times |
| 07:19.33 | knosys | yes, like this time |
| 07:19.40 | knosys | its supposed that OS take care of that |
| 07:20.38 | ompaul | in my experience |
| 07:21.14 | emss | knosys: might want to make sure you have all the mixer controls low ... not sure if you could possibly damage your monitors speaker with too loud sound |
| 07:21.29 | knosys | yes i got them all low |
| 07:21.36 | knosys | and i play something and its max volume :P |
| 07:21.47 | emss | change the mixer device? |
| 07:21.52 | knosys | only if i mute the channel mentioned it shouts :P |
| 07:21.55 | emss | F6 |
| 07:21.57 | knosys | sec |
| 07:22.09 | knosys | let me use alsamixer properly, i havent yet |
| 07:23.44 | knosys | really funny, in the other device (NVIDIA HDA) there is 4 channels |
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| 07:24.04 | knosys | 3 of them : N/A , 1 of them 00. So i try to raise 00, and cant. I cant |
| 07:24.09 | knosys | nothing happens there |
| 07:24.16 | knosys | its just 00, and wont raise. |
| 07:24.26 | emss | do you have to control audio through hdmi using a software mixer like pulseaudio? |
| 07:24.46 | knosys | also, im havving continuous alert: "Silence on program: Bash" |
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| 07:25.00 | knosys | emss: no idea |
| 07:25.07 | knosys | with pulseaudio i couldnt even hear nothing |
| 07:25.18 | knosys | i tryed hardly to configure the device but was impossible |
| 07:25.50 | knosys | alert message im getting: "Silence in session 'Shell'" |
| 07:26.23 | knosys | maybe i should reinstall pulseaudio now and try again |
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| 07:27.01 | emss | maybe it thinks you do not know you have a shell open? |
| 07:27.25 | knosys | but why "Silence"? im not pushing any mute button |
| 07:27.50 | knosys | i installed pulseaudio again and have this warning: [warn] PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions ... (warning). |
| 07:27.52 | emss | where do you see that alert message? |
| 07:28.21 | knosys | that alert i see it in the notification area. Im pretty new to KDE |
| 07:28.25 | emss | knosys: sorry I don't know anything about pulseaudio. do not use it here |
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| 07:29.11 | emss | knosys: "Silence" probably just means no activity in the shell |
| 07:29.18 | knosys | oki, i will reboot, and see if i can make this work with pulseaudio this time |
| 07:29.27 | knosys | Ahh i see |
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| 07:29.47 | emss | so it alerting you because it thinks you do not know you have a shell open? |
| 07:29.54 | emss | no idea |
| 07:30.00 | knosys | Oo no idea but its really annoying |
| 07:30.13 | emss | I think that's the point |
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| 07:30.40 | knosys | 22 alerts or so |
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| 07:31.26 | emss | you should not need to reboot |
| 07:31.29 | knosys | rebooting |
| 07:31.32 | knosys | no? |
| 07:31.37 | emss | why? |
| 07:31.47 | emss | just because you installed pulseaudio? |
| 07:31.49 | knosys | i cant see hardware tab on the audio setup yet |
| 07:31.53 | knosys | after installing pulseaudio |
| 07:32.14 | emss | oh in kde? |
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| 07:32.15 | knosys | that is something i lost when i uninstalled pulseaudio, and spected that back when installing. But i cant see it now |
| 07:32.18 | knosys | yes |
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| 07:32.24 | emss | maybe just log out and back in |
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| 07:32.29 | knosys | oki |
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| 07:35.05 | knosys | ok now i see that pulse audio simplifyes devices list. I have now only 5 devices = 4 for HDMI , and 1 from the motherboard |
| 07:35.09 | knosys | but not working |
| 07:36.02 | emss | so you tell pulseaudio which device to use? |
| 07:36.15 | emss | then use the mixer kmix? |
| 07:36.22 | knosys | how to tell pulseaudio that? |
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| 07:37.09 | knosys | 3 of the HDMI devices are "grey" color, mean i cant even select them. Only one availabe, and its on the top of the devices list priority |
| 07:37.50 | knosys | is there a command to see if pulseaudio its really working now? |
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| 07:38.13 | knosys | because i remember running pulseaudio -D gives me a warning |
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| 07:39.42 | heurist | knosys: I have little experience with pa, but you should probably pulseaudio -k before you pulseaudio -D see man pulseaudio |
| 07:40.06 | knosys | Oh i see |
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| 07:40.57 | knosys | yes to kill previous working proccess , have sense |
| 07:41.22 | heurist | knosys: ps aux | grep pulseaudio will tell you if it is "running", not sure about how to tell if it is "working" though. |
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| 07:44.51 | emss | knosys: does kmix show pulseaudio? |
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| 07:52.15 | knosys | sorry emss had to take a fast breakfast |
| 07:52.45 | knosys | you mean, if i run kmix command? |
| 07:52.52 | knosys | or in the kmix interface? |
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| 07:53.39 | knosys | i have warnings if i type 'kmix' in console. |
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| 07:53.43 | knosys | QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave. |
| 07:53.49 | emss | knosys: is kmix trying to control pulseaudio now? |
| 07:54.14 | knosys | emss i dont know :S |
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| 07:54.45 | emss | open up kmix what is the title? |
| 07:54.51 | knosys | I see different channels here in the kmix. so i think it does. It have only 2 volume control. 1 for each sound card |
| 07:55.09 | knosys | Playback Devices is the title |
| 07:55.33 | knosys | there are : Capture devices, Playback streams, and capture streams as weel, as extra tabs |
| 07:56.36 | knosys | the default device looks to be "High definition Audio Controller Digital Sterio (HDMI) |
| 07:57.07 | emss | well that's not pulseaudio |
| 07:57.16 | knosys | the secondary device: Built-in Audio Analo Sterio. |
| 07:57.34 | knosys | Analog* |
| 07:57.39 | knosys | uhm |
| 07:57.49 | heurist | knosys: just a thought. are you in the pulse group? does getent group pulse list your user? |
| 07:58.07 | knosys | lets see |
| 07:58.38 | knosys | how to see my userid? |
| 07:58.49 | heurist | knosys: id |
| 07:58.54 | knosys | i see 3 values there, separated by : , pulse:x:133: |
| 07:59.08 | knosys | then no, im not there |
| 07:59.28 | heurist | knosys: so you are not in the pulse group. add yourself and relog. |
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| 07:59.40 | knosys | thats lovely |
| 07:59.43 | knosys | thanks |
| 07:59.45 | knosys | let me join there |
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| 08:00.05 | knosys | do you know how to see a group id? |
| 08:00.40 | heurist | knosys: pulse is 133 as listed above, but you can use names. |
| 08:00.40 | knosys | Oh i see its 113 group |
| 08:00.58 | heurist | knosys: +20 |
| 08:01.07 | knosys | :D no no i misspeled last time, its 113 |
| 08:01.17 | heurist | knosys: k |
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| 08:02.43 | knosys | heurist: how to see a group name? by its id? lol |
| 08:02.58 | knosys | first i though i need the id to add my user, but i realize i need the name ;D |
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| 08:03.59 | heurist | knosys: getent group will show all groups with name and gid, or getent group $number will show just that number. |
| 08:04.00 | emss | cat /etc/group |
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| 08:04.27 | knosys | thanks both a lot |
| 08:04.52 | heurist | knosys: or, as emss says /etc/group lists the groups on your local machine, but not the ones in LDAP, AD, or NIS. |
| 08:05.51 | knosys | sudo useradd -G pulse lam = user 'lam' already exist? |
| 08:06.03 | knosys | its trying to create the user or what? |
| 08:06.08 | heurist | knosys: usermod -a -G pulse lam |
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| 08:06.32 | heurist | knosys: useradd adds users, you want to modify one. |
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| 08:07.09 | knosys | ok thanks |
| 08:07.10 | atomi | what apt package provides ps? |
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| 08:08.18 | heurist | atomi: procps dpkg -S `which ps` will tell (you if it is installed) |
| 08:08.37 | atomi | procps yeah |
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| 08:11.05 | knosys | ill give up kde soon... xD |
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| 08:12.38 | Abhijit | knosys, +1 |
| 08:12.46 | richac | knosys: why? |
| 08:13.09 | knosys | im just starting with it, and there are few things that disliked to me a little bit |
| 08:13.21 | richac | knosys: like what? |
| 08:13.35 | knosys | propietary drivers installation for nvidia was the first thing |
| 08:13.45 | knosys | now audio configuration, throught hdmi |
| 08:13.58 | richac | ya the audio config in kde is pretty horrible |
| 08:14.09 | heurist | knosys: nvidia drivers has nothing to do with KDE though. |
| 08:14.31 | richac | i just like it cause it uses little cpu and easier to customize with nice effects |
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| 08:15.07 | knosys | richac: i like some KDE features also |
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| 08:15.32 | richac | knosys: cinnamon was the only desktop that controls my surround 5.1 properly |
| 08:15.36 | rommel092079 | hello guys, how do you apply the new iptables rules? in centos i know there is service iptables restart, but i dont know in debian and ubuntu |
| 08:15.51 | richac | rommel092079: i think its the same thing |
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| 08:16.51 | heurist | rommel092079: you can apt-get install iptables-persistent to get startup scripts what user iptables-save and iptables-restore. |
| 08:17.06 | richac | oh right |
| 08:17.08 | knosys | and heurist i agree about that. all problems that im having are because the propietary drivers |
| 08:17.44 | knosys | but anyhow, others desktop enviroments looks to work better out of the box with the config i happen to have |
| 08:17.59 | heurist | knosys: really, nvidia's drivers are pretty good these days, they mostly just work. though you can get unlucky. |
| 08:18.03 | richac | knosys: i use to use them only because they ran the gpu cooler then the open source, and had less screen tearing, and to get temps with lm-sensors.....but now the open source drivers are just as good, and they are way more secure |
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| 08:18.52 | knosys | i mhinking to use noveau, i really not playing any game now |
| 08:18.58 | knosys | thinking* |
| 08:19.11 | richac | knosys: ya thats what I do now, i use windows for gaming |
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| 08:19.41 | knosys | do you think if i remove the nvidia drivers, i will get audio working in pulseaudio? |
| 08:20.25 | richac | dunno, can't you just disable hdmi? |
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| 08:20.40 | knosys | the really weird thinkis that i can do them work without pulseaudio... but cant control volume |
| 08:20.51 | knosys | thing is* |
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| 08:21.11 | richac | did you select the master channel? |
| 08:21.22 | knosys | yes |
| 08:21.32 | knosys | i also try to get all channels down manually |
| 08:21.39 | knosys | so all them went down and audio still at max volume |
| 08:21.53 | richac | knosys: on your surround your saying |
| 08:21.59 | knosys | and there was, the digital channels, there was no volumen bar, there was only mute button |
| 08:22.35 | knosys | richac: no, on the kmix, i enabled all the channels there |
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| 08:22.39 | richac | knosys: on my 5.1 analog, i have to use alsamixer to set the levels....but any change from volume control in panel, sets them all to max |
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| 08:23.05 | richac | it pisses me off. so what I do is click it and only control volume of the app itself not the master volume |
| 08:23.09 | knosys | i coulnt even with alsamixer |
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| 08:23.18 | knosys | it get stucked on 00 , and its working at 100% xD |
| 08:23.29 | knosys | i cant control it |
| 08:23.46 | richac | i had an issue on every desktop except cinnamon lol |
| 08:24.06 | richac | i' using kde now, but at least I can use alsamixer on it |
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| 08:24.38 | richac | knosys: maybe cinnamon will work the hdmi volume properly |
| 08:24.57 | knosys | richac: i didnt know that graphical enviroment |
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| 08:25.03 | knosys | why is not mentioned on debian website? |
| 08:25.15 | knosys | im just looking at it now, looks beautifull :P |
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| 08:25.23 | knosys | its from linux mint distribution, right? |
| 08:25.27 | richac | knosys: they might not have an iso with it, but i'm sure you can install it |
| 08:25.38 | richac | knosys: originally ya |
| 08:25.47 | knosys | yeah im thinking to reinstall debian from scratch without X and then installing cinnamon |
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| 08:25.57 | richac | its worth a shot, i have a fedora running it |
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| 08:26.02 | heurist | ,v cinnamon |
| 08:26.03 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- jessie: 2.2.16-1; sid: 2.2.16-3 |
| 08:26.08 | knosys | im just making a tour thought all of them, have tryed xfce and gnome so far. |
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| 08:26.29 | richac | on cinnamon i can control master volume from panel, and it doesn't change my surround levels to full |
| 08:26.32 | knosys | heurist: thats old isnt it? |
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| 08:27.15 | heurist | knosys: "what" is old? the cinnamon version? I have no idea. jessie? that is the next debian, still in testing. |
| 08:27.16 | knosys | richac: and how about performance? im running a celeron right now |
| 08:27.18 | knosys | xd |
| 08:27.32 | knosys | in gnome, i must pick the classic version, to have a decent performance |
| 08:27.34 | richac | umm, well KDE performs better for me, uses a little less cpu and is smoother |
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| 08:27.43 | richac | but cinnamon is much ligher on memory, way lighter |
| 08:27.49 | richac | about same as xfce |
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| 08:29.12 | knosys | Oh heurist sorry i missed, its not an old distro :P |
| 08:29.51 | heurist | knosys: codenames confuse everyone. they really should just all it debian 8, then we all know which one it is. (: |
| 08:30.23 | knosys | yes hehe. Would be easier to get on. But i really like the "Wheezy" name i would like they dont change it ever |
| 08:30.49 | richac | lol |
| 08:30.58 | richac | it reminds me of that old citcom |
| 08:31.19 | EdePopede | +1 - i needed my time to remember that 7 is squeeze, because it is not wheezy. which i used for some time so i remebered it is the actual one. |
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| 08:31.59 | heurist | EdePopede: see. 6 is squeeze. more confusion (: |
| 08:32.26 | richac | The Jeffersons |
| 08:32.31 | EdePopede | oops. wasn't intended. really. but yes, here oyou see :D |
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| 08:33.38 | heurist | EdePopede: it happens all the time. after an age truing to diagnose a problem it turns out they are on lenny and are calling it squeeze or something. |
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| 08:34.15 | EdePopede | the other one i know is hamm (sounds like ham&eggs) which i used between slackware and suse (exactly this ordering). and Still In Development. Obvious. but not even the-one-to-come, aka debian 8 aka whatever |
| 08:34.35 | EdePopede | heurist: you know peano, i suppose? |
| 08:35.53 | heurist | EdePopede: I do not. I started with potato I think, but this is getting off topic. (: |
| 08:36.56 | EdePopede | lol, no. the mathematitian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_axioms#Formulation -- KISS at its best |
| 08:38.26 | heurist | EdePopede: oh, yeah. remember him from ages back. but definitely ot. |
| 08:38.33 | EdePopede | erm, mathematician. natural numbers are unique and sorted. and well known btw. unlike arbitrary numbers from a movie that because of its style may be supposed to be for children. not really a good base for that usage |
| 08:39.43 | EdePopede | not that OT it hink, i used to spend a lot of time on www.debian.org to find out how a version was named (should really be on the startpage, even if only as a small table or list) |
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| 08:41.27 | heurist | EdePopede: pretty ot, but to conclude this tangent, take a look at Vi Hart's youtube channel, there is some really interesting number stuff there, |
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| 08:42.11 | heurist | dpkg: tell knosys -about msg |
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| 08:46.42 | EdePopede | Oo |
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| 08:49.31 | richac | is it possible to install cinnamon on fresh install with netinstall? |
| 08:50.14 | heurist | richac: cinnamon is not in wheezy. |
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| 08:59.24 | knosys | yeah i was asking heurist for a date |
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| 09:00.39 | knosys | dpkg: tell heurist -for a date |
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| 09:01.00 | ghost75 | somebody using jessie with lxde? |
| 09:01.15 | heurist | ghost75: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 09:02.02 | ghost75 | i select lxde but it starts openbox, i think maybe a config file is missing |
| 09:02.07 | knosys | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.07 | dpkg | knosys: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 09:02.10 | knosys | that was fun |
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| 09:05.31 | knosys | dpkg: i wish you would listen to RATM |
| 09:05.32 | dpkg | knosys: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 09:07.06 | ghost75 | what are the file names under: ~/.config/lxpanel/LXDE/panels |
| 09:07.12 | knosys | dpkg: i didnt know that. Its nice talking to you , you are a kind person |
| 09:07.12 | dpkg | knosys: what are you talking about? |
| 09:07.38 | knosys | nvm |
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| 09:09.55 | saGGio | hi |
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| 09:17.52 | knosys | i could be spamming that: dpkg: tell dpkg -about msg, because he is /q'ering me without permission all the time |
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| 09:18.00 | Jdbye | UUCK |
| 09:18.04 | knosys | and yes im bored, sorry |
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| 09:23.21 | knosys | good day to you all guys |
| 09:23.33 | esmobg | 10x |
| 09:23.35 | esmobg | man |
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| 09:59.15 | cheche | How can I configure Lightdm to power off monitor after 10m? I can do it from the command line using "xset dpms 0 0 600" but I do not know what is the "proper way to doit" |
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| 10:00.11 | cheche | /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf seems the place to config, but I can not find what key to modify dpms |
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| 10:02.58 | heurist | cheche: you should run that xset command from one of the *-setup-script you see in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf. probably session-setup-script if you want it to apply to the user once they are logged in but not to the greeter. |
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| 10:03.51 | cheche | thanks heurist. I found this page http://askubuntu.com/questions/403859/how-to-control-lightdm-power-saving-preferences that talks about creating scripts |
| 10:04.29 | cheche | but It looks strange to me that this simple setting was not in the configuration somewhere |
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| 10:05.06 | heurist | cheche: it was traditionally configured in xorg.conf, but that is mostly gone now. |
| 10:05.54 | cheche | heurist: so you think that maybe I should add a config on /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
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| 10:07.07 | heurist | cheche: you could try that, but it gets complicated since you do not want to configure the full ServerLayout or Device section there, so where to put the values is a bit of a guessing game. |
| 10:07.29 | relaxed | cheche: you can set those in your xorg.conf |
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| 10:08.39 | relaxed | man xorg.conf|less +/OffTime |
| 10:08.47 | cheche | I was thinkig about http://paste.debian.net/128642/ |
| 10:09.00 | cheche | I have got it from https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Display_Power_Management_Signaling |
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| 10:09.36 | heurist | cheche: you can try that, but you might end up with "no screens defined" errors |
| 10:09.45 | relaxed | OffTime would be 600 |
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| 10:11.05 | cheche | heurist: that is why I came here, because I did not know which route to take :-) |
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| 10:11.52 | cheche | I guess that if this problem arise when using lightdm, I should be using the lightdm config changes. |
| 10:12.20 | heurist | cheche: try the serverlayout route, if it works now I would like to know. /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d was still new when I last played with it and there were issues. you can always delete the file via the terminal if it break X |
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| 10:16.04 | cheche | heurist: ok. i am going to change right now, just for your curiousity. :-) |
| 10:16.15 | cheche | [ 43.059] (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section. |
| 10:16.15 | cheche | [ 43.059] (==) No screen section available. Using defaults. |
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| 10:16.42 | relaxed | you need a Screen entry |
| 10:16.46 | cheche | right now looks like it does not have any Layout or screen section defined. |
| 10:16.58 | cheche | I am using defaults relaxed |
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| 10:17.24 | heurist | cheche: yeah, and defining screens in serverlayout breaks the xorg autodetection of them. |
| 10:17.49 | relaxed | did it work? |
| 10:18.05 | cheche | I have to restart my system |
| 10:18.26 | heurist | cheche: "Using defaults" is a good sign though |
| 10:18.45 | cheche | *back in 10m* |
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| 10:25.44 | cheche | I am back. My changes did not break the system. It came back just fine. |
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| 10:25.59 | cheche | but some how the DPMS settings are wrgon |
| 10:26.11 | cheche | xset q gives me: |
| 10:26.19 | cheche | PMS (Energy Star): |
| 10:26.19 | cheche | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.19 | cheche | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.33 | heurist | cheche: "Using defaults" was a good sign. |
| 10:26.58 | heurist | cheche: what did you call the file? maybe it is not being used a all, maybe that is why it booted fine. |
| 10:27.12 | cheche | heurist: the system took my changes somehow on the log: 32.657] (==) ServerLayout "ServerLayout0" |
| 10:27.50 | cheche | heurist: /etc/X11/xorg.cond.d/50-monitor.conf |
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| 10:28.53 | heurist | cheche: and that has the contents of your previous pastebin? |
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| 10:32.40 | cheche | heurist: well I think that it was no server layout. |
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| 10:35.47 | cheche | What is strange is that on the Xorg log: [ 39.535] (==) NVIDIA(0): DPMS enabled |
| 10:35.58 | cheche | but if you query the system it says that is disable. |
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| 10:37.47 | heurist | cheche: you not still running xset somewhere? |
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| 10:38.56 | cheche | heurist: I can run from the command line "xset dmps 0 0 600" and that works. |
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| 10:41.00 | cheche | but I want to know what component change the DPMS settings. |
| 10:41.03 | heurist | cheche: sounds like something is changing it during the X startup, after the config file is parsed. most WMs and DEs have a mechanism for running scripts at login, but that will not affect lightdm. probably simplest to use the lightdm scripts. |
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| 10:43.04 | cheche | heurist: your are right, but I am just curious, maybe something from the nvidia stuff? |
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| 11:02.06 | knosys | hi |
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| 11:10.51 | L0aD1nG | I have a problem recently, but its not the first time I have it. It happened again in the past. |
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| 11:11.23 | L0aD1nG | When I am halting my laptop the rsyslogd stacks and doesn't respong on the termination signal. |
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| 11:12.36 | L0aD1nG | After "Asking all processes to stop... done" message it stucks abnormally.. and at last prints that rsyslog was unable to terminate. |
| 11:12.39 | L0aD1nG | any ideas? |
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| 11:14.05 | Laurenceb__ | hi |
| 11:14.16 | Laurenceb__ | will debian boot without python? |
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| 11:15.43 | heurist | Laurenceb__: boot, yes. but a lot of stuff needs python so you may have issues later. is it even possible to install debian without python? |
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| 11:16.08 | cheche | heurist, xscreensaver was messing around. rm ~/.xscreensaver and then xscreensaver-demo to modify settings |
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| 11:17.36 | heurist | cheche: there are a lot of program that fiddle with those settings. is it working as intended now? |
| 11:17.44 | Laurenceb__ | heurist: its an embedded linux board |
| 11:18.00 | Laurenceb__ | i dont have access to the system, i need to upgrade the kernel and reboot |
| 11:18.09 | Laurenceb__ | but it only has 2GB of flash |
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| 11:18.26 | Laurenceb__ | so i need to clear some space before rebooting |
| 11:20.14 | heurist | Laurenceb__: if you can use the package management tools to remove python then you will be fine booting without it. |
| 11:20.24 | Laurenceb__ | ok thanks |
| 11:20.40 | Laurenceb__ | i can fix everything later - ill be able to free ~400MB |
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| 11:25.26 | cheche | heurist: yes, it is working as intended. |
| 11:25.37 | cheche | thanks so much guys. |
| 11:25.45 | L0aD1nG | any ideas why rsyslogd would not close normally on halt? |
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| 11:38.10 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: is this a jessie question? |
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| 11:47.09 | L0aD1nG | SynrG: well I am on backports, the exact same problem happened on stable for me too. |
| 11:47.30 | L0aD1nG | first its both rpcbind and rsyslogd that don't respond |
| 11:47.35 | SynrGy | ,v rsyslog |
| 11:47.37 | judd | Package: rsyslog on i386 -- squeeze: 4.6.4-2; squeeze-security-lts: 4.6.4-2+deb6u2; squeeze-backports: 5.8.11-1~bpo60+2; wheezy-security: 5.8.11-3+deb7u2; wheezy: 5.8.11-3+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 7.6.3-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 8.4.2-1; sid: 8.4.2-1 |
| 11:47.42 | L0aD1nG | then I uninstall or disable rpc bind from starting... |
| 11:47.53 | SynrGy | L0aD1nG: you mean you're on the backports version of rsyslog? |
| 11:47.57 | SynrGy | you can't be generally "on backports" |
| 11:48.06 | SynrGy | not unless you've misconfigured pinning |
| 11:48.21 | L0aD1nG | I updated the kernel on backports version.. |
| 11:48.27 | SynrGy | yes, but that's only the kernel. |
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| 11:48.29 | L0aD1nG | thats what I mean "on backports" |
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| 11:48.48 | SynrGy | well, you should state that as "i'm on stable plus the kernel from backports" then |
| 11:48.52 | L0aD1nG | added the repos and update/upgrade backports packages too |
| 11:48.57 | SynrGy | anything else is vague to the point of meaninglessness |
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| 11:49.24 | SynrGy | or "plus a few things from backports". and with regards to rsyslog, state which version of that you're on |
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| 11:50.52 | L0aD1nG | SynrGy: on 5.8.11 version |
| 11:51.05 | SynrGy | ok. then the one from stable |
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| 11:51.32 | L0aD1nG | so should I upgrade it?/ |
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| 11:53.16 | SynrGy | L0aD1nG: are you logging remotely? |
| 11:53.17 | SynrGy | no |
| 11:53.29 | L0aD1nG | what do you mean? |
| 11:53.30 | SynrGy | we just needed to establish what version you have. then check if there are bugs against it ... |
| 11:53.42 | SynrGy | if you don't know what i mean about remote logging, then you aren't. |
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| 11:54.04 | L0aD1nG | well no I don't. |
| 11:54.22 | L0aD1nG | (loggin remotely) |
| 11:54.37 | L0aD1nG | should I purge this one and install this https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/rsyslog ? |
| 11:55.28 | SynrGy | no. we should analyze the problem and decide what, if any, action we take next ... trying random things will yield random results (and not increase our understanding of the problem) |
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| 11:56.19 | SynrGy | what is the evidence that it is "not closing normally". what specific output did you observe? |
| 11:56.28 | L0aD1nG | basicly I can do it this way "apt-get -s -t wheezy-backports install rsyslog" |
| 11:56.31 | L0aD1nG | okay. |
| 11:56.50 | L0aD1nG | you are right. |
| 11:57.05 | SynrG | for example, is the partition that /var is on full? |
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| 11:57.15 | SynrG | check df |
| 11:57.33 | L0aD1nG | I checked the rsyslog on /var/log , but it wasn't that helpful. |
| 11:57.52 | SynrG | checked the what? |
| 11:58.10 | L0aD1nG | what do you "on full" ? |
| 11:58.44 | L0aD1nG | I have one main partition and swap memory. if this helps. |
| 12:00.12 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: reread what i asked |
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| 12:00.38 | SynrG | i asked if the "partition that /var/log is on" |
| 12:00.41 | SynrG | is full |
| 12:00.46 | L0aD1nG | yea right |
| 12:00.49 | L0aD1nG | no its not. |
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| 12:00.49 | SynrG | not "on full" |
| 12:00.55 | SynrG | k |
| 12:00.56 | L0aD1nG | sorry |
| 12:01.00 | SynrG | i gotta run. going out |
| 12:01.03 | L0aD1nG | I am sorry, I misread. |
| 12:01.10 | SynrG | look over the bugs yourself. i didn't find a match yet |
| 12:01.24 | SynrG | i would assume rsyslog is trying to write to the logging backend and somehow gets stuck ... |
| 12:01.25 | L0aD1nG | where should I look? |
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| 12:01.36 | L0aD1nG | on /var/log ? |
| 12:01.42 | SynrG | being out of space came to mind. and also failing to write to a remote filesystem ... |
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| 12:02.03 | SynrG | do you have any remote filesystems? (i assume not. you said you disabled rpc) |
| 12:02.10 | SynrG | but there's samba too ... |
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| 12:02.38 | L0aD1nG | I don't, I just connect remotely sometimes with teamviewer... |
| 12:02.39 | SynrG | and have you checked your logs for other clues? I/O errors against the disk, etc? |
| 12:02.50 | SynrG | ah. teamviewer isn't in debian ... |
| 12:02.50 | L0aD1nG | teamviewer daemon is not running though on start up. |
| 12:02.55 | SynrG | does it fail sometimes without teamviewer? |
| 12:03.02 | L0aD1nG | yea |
| 12:03.08 | L0aD1nG | it fails everytime... |
| 12:03.15 | L0aD1nG | without or with teamviewer... |
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| 12:03.38 | SynrG | ok, i'm gone now. good luck |
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| 12:03.43 | L0aD1nG | thanks. |
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| 12:03.58 | An_Ony_Moose | How can I get the nvidia-current module to get loaded on boot? It doesn't do so automatically, so I have to manually run modprobe nvidia-current then restart kdm to get a GUI, which is a slight pain. |
| 12:04.33 | SynrG | as for your earlier question, yes you could try backports. |
| 12:04.44 | SynrG | but it would be better to understand why |
| 12:04.46 | SynrG | later |
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| 12:22.06 | turtleding | hello, i've installed a encrypted debian months ago, but unfortunately i deleted the boot entry of debian (reset to default settings). is it possible to rescue that with the grub super disk or something? (ps: i know the wiki entries, but im still unsure about that.) |
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| 12:23.05 | frostschutz | turtleding, dunno about grub super disk, but as long as you know the password, you should be able to chroot and reinstall grub with any capable linux cd |
| 12:25.08 | An_Ony_Moose | I tried putting nvidia-current in /etc/modules, but it doesn't do anything. When I run modprobe nvidia-current, it shows just nvidia in lsmod afterwards. Could that be related? |
| 12:25.29 | turtleding | thx frostschutz |
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| 12:38.48 | Humanoid | I'm trying to understand this error message: "error: alternative libblas.so.3gf can't be slave of libblas.so.3: it is a master alternative" |
| 12:39.16 | Humanoid | What does it mean, and how can I fix it? There are a few packages I can't install because of this error. |
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| 12:45.13 | wilfredor | Hi |
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| 12:45.22 | wilfredor | what is this error |
| 12:45.28 | wilfredor | [root@origenes-dev ~]# sudo lokkit -s http -s ssh |
| 12:45.34 | wilfredor | option --selinux: invalid choice: 'permisive' (choose from 'enforcing', 'permissive', 'disabled') |
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| 13:03.05 | turtleding | i try to mount my encrypted lvm from an ubuntu live cd; but sudo mount /dev/debian-VG/root (which was showed by lvdisplay) => device file does not exist (translation) |
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| 13:04.08 | turtleding | where is my mistake? |
| 13:05.36 | Abhijit | is /dev |
| 13:05.37 | Abhijit | in* |
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| 13:07.12 | turtleding | i dont know what you mean |
| 13:08.18 | abrotman | turtleding: ls -l /dev/deb* .. do you see it ? |
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| 13:09.17 | turtleding | no |
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| 13:10.33 | turtleding | but i can see ls -l /dev/mapper/deb* |
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| 13:11.04 | turtleding | "/dev/mapper/debian-vg -> ../dm-0" |
| 13:11.11 | turtleding | what does that mean? |
| 13:11.52 | abrotman | so try that device |
| 13:12.50 | turtleding | does not exist |
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| 13:20.54 | turtleding | any further tips? |
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| 13:23.20 | turtleding | :/ |
| 13:24.26 | An_Ony_Moose | how can I install all the results of an aptitude search? |
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| 13:28.17 | An_Ony_Moose | aaah got it |
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| 13:29.52 | Abhijit | An_Ony_Moose, how? |
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| 13:30.14 | An_Ony_Moose | Abhijit: aptitude install "~name(libsfml-[a-z]*2)" |
| 13:30.23 | knosys | hey guys, how to see what display mmanager am i currently running? and also, window manager? |
| 13:30.25 | An_Ony_Moose | err |
| 13:30.26 | Abhijit | where is search? An_Ony_Moose |
| 13:30.29 | An_Ony_Moose | Abhijit: aptitude install "?name(libsfml-[a-z]*2)" |
| 13:30.35 | Abhijit | still |
| 13:30.36 | Abhijit | where is search? An_Ony_Moose |
| 13:30.39 | An_Ony_Moose | aptitude search |
| 13:30.49 | An_Ony_Moose | or if you're in the gui, press / |
| 13:30.57 | Abhijit | you said you want to feed output of aptitude search to aptitue install? |
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| 13:34.04 | Brigo | knosys, ps ax will give you the list of running programms |
| 13:34.36 | knosys | thanks |
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| 13:38.03 | knosys | Brigo: it can be icewm --restar? |
| 13:38.06 | knosys | restart* |
| 13:39.01 | Brigo | knosys, that is a window manager. |
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| 13:39.49 | knosys | Brigo: i installed awesome and changed .xinitrc to : exec awesome |
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| 13:40.24 | knosys | when i type startx, there shouldnt be icewm there, right? |
| 13:40.36 | oo_miguel | Can anyone recommend a simple web-interface for postfix and dovecot? |
| 13:41.08 | abrotman | oo_miguel: not really, and they're really easy to configure anyway |
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| 13:42.29 | Brigo | knosys, what display manager are you using? or are you using startx? |
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| 13:42.53 | knosys | i installed without desktop enviroment, then installed xorg :S |
| 13:43.08 | knosys | im using startx |
| 13:43.26 | knosys | i have some kind of taskbar here, and a desktop |
| 13:43.37 | knosys | kind of ugly :D i guess this is icewm |
| 13:43.38 | Brigo | knosys, then i think initrc is not using. |
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| 13:43.50 | Brigo | knosys, it can be. |
| 13:44.21 | knosys | uhm, at this point how to stop using icewm and start awesome? i would like to check it out |
| 13:45.04 | Brigo | knosys, sorry, i can remember how just now. :) |
| 13:45.10 | Brigo | s/can/cannot |
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| 13:45.43 | knosys | np |
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| 13:46.48 | knosys | you assumed that .xinitrc is not being used, why is that? |
| 13:47.13 | Brigo | knosys, i was wrong try this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xinitrc |
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| 13:47.42 | knosys | ok thanks i will try |
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| 13:48.15 | Brigo | knosys, without a display manager you will lose some features, like automunt of usb sticks |
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| 13:48.54 | knosys | ouch that hurt |
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| 13:51.19 | babilen | dpkg: xinitrc |
| 13:51.19 | dpkg | from memory, xinitrc is just use ~/.xsession instead, ask me about <.xinitrc> for the reason. Also ask about <xsession>. |
| 13:51.24 | babilen | dpkg: xsession |
| 13:51.24 | dpkg | from memory, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession' |
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| 13:52.30 | knosys | thanks!! |
| 13:52.53 | knosys | so its .xsesion instead of xinitrc |
| 13:52.59 | knosys | right? |
| 13:54.14 | knosys | no it dont looks like thatx D |
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| 13:56.04 | Brigo | knosys, .xsession looks good for me |
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| 13:57.40 | knosys | Brigo: i dont know why exactly.. but i just tried again without any chages and worked |
| 13:57.55 | knosys | i just : startx again and im inside awesome instead of icewm lol |
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| 13:58.01 | oo_miguel | i just installed postfixadmin and it created an empty database with no tables. Now as soon as I want to login via the webinterface it reports: Invalid query: Table 'postfixadmin.admin' doesn't exist |
| 13:58.06 | oo_miguel | what am I missing? |
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| 13:58.11 | Brigo | don't ask me :) |
| 13:58.35 | knosys | :D its ok problem solved im happy. thanks |
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| 14:01.10 | Brigo | knosys, np :) |
| 14:01.23 | jasonwc | I'm installing Debian on a server with 24 hard drives and one OS SSD. Would it be wise to remove the SAS cables prior to installing to make sure the HDDs aren't touched? |
| 14:02.43 | gorsuch | jasonwc: I suppose that would be a fair move if you are worrying about installing on one of those drives by mistake |
| 14:02.48 | petemc | jasonwc: if you are able to easily differentiate between the ssd and the rest it shouldnt be too difficult to not affect other drives |
| 14:02.59 | jasonwc | ok |
| 14:03.04 | jasonwc | the names should be obvious] |
| 14:03.13 | jasonwc | it literally has SSD in the name of the drive |
| 14:03.19 | gorsuch | ha |
| 14:03.28 | jasonwc | I'm also curious to see if it shows my drives |
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| 14:04.16 | gorsuch | what sort of controller supports 24 hdds these days? |
| 14:04.18 | jasonwc | I have 2 AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 supermicro SAS controllers and there was a patch in Sept 2013 to the kernel as they weren't showing up due to a misnaming of the device |
| 14:04.24 | gorsuch | ah |
| 14:04.27 | jasonwc | i have 2 AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 and 1 AOC-SA2LP-MV8 |
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| 14:04.39 | jasonwc | i need to see if it's been backported into stable |
| 14:04.47 | jasonwc | otherwise, i'll need to patch or use the kernel from testing |
| 14:04.59 | nkuttler | jasonwc: or just roll your own |
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| 14:05.22 | jasonwc | I'm migrating from WHS 2011 to Debian to use ZFS. I've got about 90 TB of raw capacity in the server currently. |
| 14:05.52 | jasonwc | nkuttler, hopefully i won't have to do that |
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| 14:06.20 | jasonwc | this is the patch |
| 14:06.20 | jasonwc | http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.3/03092.html |
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| 14:06.54 | jasonwc | the patch is only a few lines |
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| 14:19.15 | jasonwc | well, the installer shows all 25 disks |
| 14:19.33 | jasonwc | should I force it to check the CD for integrity or is that done automatically? |
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| 14:21.52 | GAMMALIGHT | hello folks, how can I install for example network-manager without bluez,modemmanager etc? |
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| 14:22.26 | abrotman | GAMMALIGHT: you can try without recommends, not sure how far that will get you |
| 14:24.03 | GAMMALIGHT | I want to tell apt-get to deselect several packages I dont need. Have looked in the manpage but couldnt find it. |
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| 14:24.59 | jasonwc | i guess the installer automatically checks the disk since i don't see an option to do it |
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| 14:27.40 | Zerock | Why is there no useradd in Wheezy? |
| 14:27.59 | abrotman | use 'adduser' |
| 14:28.06 | abrotman | (and there is useradd in wheezy) |
| 14:28.19 | Zerock | Neither of those are installed. |
| 14:28.37 | Zerock | I did not install the Debian desktop, if this means anything. |
| 14:28.47 | GAMMALIGHT | run it as root |
| 14:28.50 | GAMMALIGHT | sudo useradd |
| 14:28.56 | Zerock | Aha. |
| 14:29.01 | Zerock | That's interesting. |
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| 14:29.22 | Zerock | How come it's not even visible to a non-root user? |
| 14:29.34 | GAMMALIGHT | its a super-user command |
| 14:29.44 | abrotman | Zerock: it's not in your path |
| 14:29.49 | jasonwc | is there any benefit to creating a seperate /home partition? |
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| 14:30.02 | abrotman | jasonwc: sure, it prevents / from being filled up by silly users |
| 14:30.39 | jasonwc | ok, not an issue |
| 14:30.40 | jasonwc | tahnks |
| 14:30.41 | jasonwc | *thanks |
| 14:30.42 | frostschutz | and if something goes horribly wrong you can just reinstall / |
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| 14:31.45 | Zerock | jasonwc: It helps if you want /home to run a different fs like xfs, which can be advantageous if you're running graphical applications like Iceweasel which perform a lot of io in /home./ |
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| 14:32.15 | Zerock | jasonwc: Also what frostschutz said. You can distro hop easily or reinstall without having to write all your configs again. |
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| 14:40.45 | dumdidum | i installed vsftpd. where is the standard directory which anonymous ftp users access? |
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| 14:41.46 | dumdidum | i can't find it. so i can't let files accessed through ftp ... |
| 14:42.10 | abrotman | it probably has to be configured first |
| 14:42.19 | abrotman | wouldn't want anonymous ftp setup by default |
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| 14:45.24 | jasonwc | what's the release cycle like for debian these days - 2 years? |
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| 14:45.52 | abrotman | jasonwc: depends on the number of bugs, etc |
| 14:46.03 | abrotman | jasonwc: that's a reasonable estimate, but it's really unknown |
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| 14:47.02 | jasonwc | I really only need updated packages for the tools I'm using: ZFS, plexmediaserver, rtorrent, rutorrent, and vsftpd |
| 14:47.12 | jasonwc | probably won't be an issue, i can always install from testing if necessary |
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| 14:50.49 | iveevue | Why does Debian have both emacs23 and 24? Which one should you be using? |
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| 14:51.03 | petn-randall | iveevue: The one you prefer. |
| 14:51.45 | petn-randall | jasonwc: Mixing testing and stable is not a good approach. Check out wheezy-backports, or if those packages are not available, backport the packages yourself. |
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| 14:52.52 | jasonwc | petn-randall, why is it not recommended? Can't you set the pin priority such that it only installs testing/unstable packages when you expressly request it to do so? |
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| 14:58.36 | iveevue | jasonwc, Why do you need updated packages for rtorrent? |
| 14:58.52 | jasonwc | oh, i don't - i'm going to be compiling that anyhow |
| 14:58.57 | jasonwc | i was just asking generally |
| 14:58.59 | iveevue | ic |
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| 14:59.13 | iveevue | Just out of curiosity, what's wrong with the packages provided by stable? |
| 14:59.34 | jasonwc | ZFS has it's own repository as it's not included in Debian as does Plex and FlexRAID. I did notice that the vsftpd package was over 3 years old in stable |
| 14:59.43 | jasonwc | nothing - i was just asking for future reference |
| 14:59.48 | iveevue | Ah |
| 15:00.48 | jasonwc | rebooting takes a while when it spins up each set of 8 drives independently, heh |
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| 15:03.03 | iveevue | Should I be using t/{f,nil} or 1/0 for options? |
| 15:03.15 | iveevue | Wrong chat :S |
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| 15:06.58 | jasonwc | I need to move 18 TB of data from 10 seperate drives pooled into a FlexRAID storage pool to a 12 drive ZFS RAID-Z2 pool which can likely sustain 500-1000 MB/sec. What's the fasteset way to do this? |
| 15:07.32 | jasonwc | I can either copy or rsync from the FlexRAID pool, making it look like a single 21 TB disk, or copy from each dirve individually |
| 15:07.43 | jasonwc | FlexRAID doesn't stripe - it stores parity on a sep disk |
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| 15:19.48 | massivetrap | http://www.massivetrap.com |
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| 15:47.15 | jasonwc | what's the easiest way to test synchronous read/write speed on a drive. The benchmark tool in disk utility is showing wacky results |
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| 15:51.50 | abrotman | jasonwc: bonnie? |
| 15:52.15 | marioxcc | hello, I'm trying to find the package ânetwork-consoleâ, but despite being in packages.debian.org, it don't seems to be in the apt repository |
| 15:52.17 | jasonwc | isn't that mostly for I/O? |
| 15:52.21 | marioxcc | could you please help me troubleshot this? |
| 15:52.30 | marioxcc | I have done apt-get update already, 2 times |
| 15:53.41 | mtn | marioxcc: which version of debian? |
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| 15:54.06 | marioxcc | mtn: I'm using Debian 7 |
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| 15:54.26 | mtn | marioxcc: do you have non-free and contrib turned on in your sources? |
| 15:54.32 | marioxcc | mtn: no |
| 15:54.36 | ompaul | ,v network-console |
| 15:54.37 | judd | No package named 'network-console' was found in i386. |
| 15:54.52 | marioxcc | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/network-console |
| 15:55.12 | ompaul | Warning: This package is intended for the use in building debian-installer images only. Do not install it on a normal Debian system. |
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| 15:55.47 | marioxcc | ompaul: yes, I have seen that, I'm trying to do a remote Debian installation |
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| 15:56.04 | ompaul | then look here |
| 15:56.06 | ompaul | !install |
| 15:56.06 | dpkg | There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 15:57.02 | abrotman | jasonwc: and what do you think sync R/W is? |
| 15:57.13 | ompaul | marioxcc: remote ... how are you booting it? |
| 15:57.18 | marioxcc | ompaul: yes, I have read it formely, it's only about local installs |
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| 15:57.30 | marioxcc | ompaul: reboot |
| 15:57.42 | ompaul | how do you intend to get an image to it? |
| 15:57.44 | marioxcc | well, that's how it's supposed to be, I haven't done so far |
| 15:57.57 | jasonwc | abrotman, should be high 160, avg 130, low 85 |
| 15:57.59 | marioxcc | ompaul: I will use an exisitng debian to boot a debian installer |
| 15:58.06 | ompaul | !chroot |
| 15:58.07 | dpkg | To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target". |
| 15:58.14 | jasonwc | abrotman, and it's showing it start at 200 drop to 100 and avg 85, low 65 |
| 15:58.17 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ompaul about bottell |
| 15:58.17 | ompaul | marioxcc: ^^ that is how / what you want |
| 15:58.21 | jasonwc | abrotman, actually disk utility shows EVERY drive as very slow |
| 15:58.26 | marioxcc | ompaul: no |
| 15:58.31 | abrotman | jasonwc: perhaps it's missing a BIOS option? |
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| 15:58.42 | ompaul | marioxcc: good luck with that then :) |
| 15:58.45 | jasonwc | but hdparm shows 160 MB/sec |
| 15:58.52 | jasonwc | i need to format and run a real test |
| 15:59.02 | marioxcc | ompaul: thanks very much for your help, but you didn't answer my question |
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| 15:59.35 | abrotman | marioxcc: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/network-console |
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| 16:00.17 | marioxcc | abrotman: yes, I have seen that link, but I still can't install network-console from Debian |
| 16:00.26 | abrotman | marioxcc: do you have network? |
| 16:00.40 | marioxcc | abrotman: yes, I'm not yet in the remote installation |
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| 16:00.58 | abrotman | marioxcc: did you try to start the ssh server from the installtion medit? |
| 16:01.00 | abrotman | media? |
| 16:01.29 | marioxcc | abrotman: I have no installation media yet, and I can't start it from there, since I don't have physical access to the machine |
| 16:01.35 | marioxcc | I'm roughly following: |
| 16:01.41 | marioxcc | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote |
| 16:01.54 | abrotman | no iLO? DRAC? |
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| 16:02.50 | marioxcc | abrotman: if you mean something like VNC from outside the VM so that I can install it that way, no |
| 16:02.53 | fadhil_T_rembang | au |
| 16:02.56 | fadhil_T_rembang | asu |
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| 16:08.30 | ompaul | marioxcc: so I say again chroot, and have fun. |
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| 16:08.54 | marioxcc | ompaul: is it of any use if I want to redo the partition layout? |
| 16:09.08 | ompaul | marioxcc: you have lvm? |
| 16:09.32 | marioxcc | ompaul: I want to use LVM, that's one of the reasons of why I want to resinstall (since there will be Debian installed already) |
| 16:10.27 | ompaul | guess visiting the box or talking someone how to do it remotely with some remote viewing technology will allow you that freedom |
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| 16:11.07 | ompaul | marioxcc: there is a suggestion you might get away with things if you have a partition on the box already, but other than that ... I wouldn't even try |
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| 16:11.26 | marioxcc | ompaul: what is that |
| 16:11.32 | ompaul | spare space |
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| 16:11.59 | marioxcc | ompaul: well, can LVM PV be extended backwards? |
| 16:11.59 | comotion | any word on why http.debian.org fell out of DNS? |
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| 16:12.25 | ompaul | extended backwards is not a phrase I understand |
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| 16:13.11 | marioxcc | ompaul: partitions can be extended to the right or left, by increasing to the right I mean that it starts in the same position in the disk or block devince, but it becomes longer |
| 16:13.44 | ompaul | marioxcc: I don't understand what you are saying you have, nor how you are proposing to work with it. |
| 16:13.46 | marioxcc | extending backwards or leftwareds would mean the contrary, I.e: the final byte is at the same position, but the initial byte is earlier in the device |
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| 16:14.06 | marioxcc | ompaul: well, thanks you very much, I will keep trying :) |
| 16:14.43 | itsfortybelow | do i really need 10 dvd's to isntall debian? |
| 16:14.50 | comotion | nope |
| 16:15.00 | comotion | you need 50MB to install debian |
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| 16:15.13 | mtn | itsfortybelow: only disk one or better yet, the netinstall |
| 16:15.19 | abrotman | please use at least the 200MB ISO .. not the 50MB |
| 16:15.28 | abrotman | dpkg: tell itsfortybelow about firmware installer |
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| 16:16.12 | Avic | hello |
| 16:16.27 | itsfortybelow | i'll use the netinstaller |
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| 16:16.37 | Avic | i'm trying to install a program in debian with wine |
| 16:16.52 | Avic | but can't make it work... |
| 16:16.56 | abrotman | itsfortybelow: use the one hte bot linked you to |
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| 16:17.53 | Avic | the program is a windows program, i want to run it in debian |
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| 16:18.07 | Avic | using wine |
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| 16:18.32 | itsfortybelow | thanks abrotman |
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| 16:19.35 | mtn | Avic: Wine support is at #winehq on the freenode server and http://www.winehq.org/ |
| 16:19.52 | Avic | oh, thanks :-) |
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| 16:21.38 | marioxcc | Avic: Debian is mostly a GNU/Linux distribution concerned with user freedom, if you're installing proprietary software on it, you're surrending your freedom, it don't makes much sense. |
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| 16:23.36 | Avic | its a free program |
| 16:23.55 | Avic | but its made for windows |
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| 16:24.08 | abrotman | Avic: that's fine, please use #winehq, good luck |
| 16:24.19 | Avic | thanks |
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| 16:30.00 | jasonwc | why do my windows only have a close button and no maximimze or minimize? |
| 16:30.46 | mtn | jasonwc: because you are using gnome3? |
| 16:31.19 | abrotman | jasonwc: you can change this |
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| 16:32.06 | jasonwc | how do i change it? |
| 16:32.21 | jasonwc | mtn, i installed debian 7.6 in a VM and i didn't see this |
| 16:32.24 | jasonwc | just installed 7.7 on my server |
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| 16:32.47 | WormFood | Is there some utility/tool, that will allow me to playback a video, and have it pretend to be a video capture device...like a webcam? In other words, I want to be able to play a video, and have it act like a webcam to normal programs. |
| 16:33.02 | mtn | jasonwc: using gnome or not? |
| 16:33.33 | WormFood | I know there are utilities for Winblows, that will do this, but I'm not aware of any for Linux. |
| 16:33.49 | jasonwc | mt, yeah, using gnome |
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| 16:34.05 | mtn | jasonwc: take a look at gnome-tweak-tool |
| 16:34.10 | jasonwc | but that version didn't have the unity-esque feel |
| 16:34.13 | jasonwc | thanks |
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| 16:35.16 | abrotman | jasonwc: install gnome-tweak-ui |
| 16:35.30 | abrotman | WormFood: I think VLC does that |
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| 16:41.46 | jasonwc | abrotman, nevermind, i figured out that middle click minimizes and double click maximizes |
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| 16:42.15 | abrotman | jasonwc: also, The Win key has some impact if you have it |
| 16:42.29 | abrotman | eh, Win+UpArrow maximizes IIRC |
| 16:42.44 | jasonwc | nice |
| 16:43.16 | jasonwc | sorry for the stupid questions - just getting used to the interface. I must have installed gnome2 on the VM because this one looks more like Ubuntu |
| 16:44.57 | mtn | jasonwc: you were problably in fallback mode. you can run that if you wish. look in the login menu. |
| 16:45.02 | sandman13 | jasonwc: or fallback mode |
| 16:45.09 | sandman13 | :D |
| 16:45.11 | jasonwc | :) |
| 16:45.12 | jasonwc | thanks |
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| 16:49.14 | Avic | how can i open a console of debian through comand line |
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| 16:49.40 | Avic | ? |
| 16:50.20 | socomm | Avic: huh? |
| 16:50.48 | Avic | stupid question... |
| 16:51.33 | Avic | i wante dto open a console like i was in a desktop enviornment |
| 16:52.13 | Avic | and wanted to see it using x forwarding |
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| 16:52.26 | Avic | is this possible? |
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| 16:52.46 | AimHere | You mean you're sshed into a box and want an X-windowsy terminal? |
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| 16:53.15 | Avic | i don't have any desktop enviornment, so... its |
| 16:53.27 | Avic | yes |
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| 16:53.37 | Avic | its possible? |
| 16:53.42 | AimHere | Would running something like 'xterm' work? |
| 16:53.59 | AimHere | Providing your ssh and X are configured properly at both ends |
| 16:54.28 | Avic | i'm using x forwarding |
| 16:55.14 | Avic | i can see the windows aplications in my pc wen i execute them in debian |
| 16:55.47 | Avic | i mean... the window... nor the windows so |
| 16:56.00 | Avic | not* |
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| 17:00.09 | cattax | How can I find out if my Debian machine has been compromised? |
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| 17:01.16 | jimbo1qaz | Is this official? |
| 17:01.53 | abrotman | jimbo1qaz: official for what? |
| 17:02.04 | abrotman | cattax: if you'r enot sure, take it offline |
| 17:02.16 | jimbo1qaz | I have a problem. Thinkpad T40, Debian with XFCE. Installer kernel panics after finished, no big deal. When I sleep, the system freezes with flashing sleep light, and caps lock also flashing if sleep from XFCE. |
| 17:02.24 | AimHere | jimbo1qaz, it's official by freenode standards, but not by Debian ones, I think |
| 17:02.32 | abrotman | irrelevant honestly |
| 17:02.50 | abrotman | jimbo1qaz: Which version did you install? |
| 17:02.58 | abrotman | jimbo1qaz: is your BIOS up to date? |
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| 17:03.10 | jimbo1qaz | I think, just updated from ancient |
| 17:03.19 | jimbo1qaz | any chance it silently failed to do the update? |
| 17:03.31 | abrotman | jimbo1qaz: you can check if you enter the BIOS when the POST shows |
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| 17:04.08 | jimbo1qaz | oh and I get a 0x0000000c null pointer kernel panic after "Will now restart" |
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| 17:04.39 | jimbo1qaz | Any chance of corrupting system at so late a stage? |
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| 17:07.56 | jimbo1qaz | yeah the bios and ecp is up to date |
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| 17:11.10 | jimbo1qaz | any luck? |
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| 17:29.43 | m3ltdown_ | how can I modify the default IP address for outgoing DNS requests? e.g. dig provides this with -b, but I need this system wide |
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| 17:35.54 | Walex | m3ltdown_: you have to find *all* applications that do DNS queries and if they allow you to set the bind address for DNS queries you set it for each one. |
| 17:36.01 | knosys | hey guys, can someone help me to understand how to configure my /etc/modprobe.d/sound file, to change the priority of my audio devices, please? |
| 17:36.41 | knosys | I dont know how to "spell" the names on each of both cards. And it doesnt looks like its the same name described in /proc/asound/cards |
| 17:36.51 | knosys | its more like snd-xxx-sound |
| 17:36.55 | Walex | knosys: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#tasks |
| 17:36.55 | knosys | or something similar to that |
| 17:37.05 | m3ltdown_ | is there no global way for this, e.g. with resolv.conf? |
| 17:37.29 | Walex | m3ltdown_: each application is entirely free to do DNS queries in any way they choose... |
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| 17:38.20 | cheche | m3ltdown_: what are you trying to achive ? |
| 17:38.20 | Walex | m3ltdown_: perhaps you might consider installing a resolver daemon like 'unbound' and putting '127.0.0.1' in 'resolv.conf' |
| 17:38.59 | knosys | thanks Walex i will try |
| 17:39.16 | g33ck00 | trying to install a windows application in debian wine through ssh. how can I deal with the GUIs that are being displayed? |
| 17:39.26 | m3ltdown_ | well I have e.g. powerdns in use, even with http://doc.powerdns.com/html/all-settings.html - query-local-address=... the answers do time out |
| 17:39.35 | m3ltdown_ | but using dig -b that_IP works |
| 17:40.07 | jhutchins_wk | g33ck00: I don't know if wine can deal with it, but ssh -X allows displa forwarding from the remote to your local desktop (you must be running an x server). |
| 17:41.29 | cheche | m3ltdown_: dig -b as used like dig @8.8.8.8 www.google.com |
| 17:41.37 | m3ltdown_ | yes |
| 17:41.38 | knosys | Walex: that information was completly useless, but thanks at least you try to help me |
| 17:42.03 | WormFood | abrotman, I don't see that feature anywhere in VLC...but I think I'm on the right track with v4l2loopback |
| 17:42.09 | cheche | m3ltdown_: how do you define external ip? |
| 17:42.26 | m3ltdown_ | ip addr add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0 |
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| 17:42.30 | g33ck00 | jhutchins_wk, so i need a gui |
| 17:42.44 | knosys | you tell someone to learn how to modify the file, and give him that information... |
| 17:42.45 | m3ltdown_ | it is one of multiple IPs on the host |
| 17:42.50 | knosys | he will get so fa |
| 17:42.51 | knosys | far* |
| 17:43.04 | Walex | knosys: then define what you mean by "priority" |
| 17:43.22 | knosys | is it this. Its exactly this what i mean |
| 17:43.48 | knosys | but in the site you gave me... only give very basic information that i already know and dont actually explain how to reference each card |
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| 17:44.28 | knosys | I know i have 2 cards, and i even know their names. But how does i reference each of them in that file? snd-XX-sound .. or soemething? |
| 17:44.35 | knosys | its like... module name? |
| 17:44.38 | cheche | m3ltdown_: sorry, so you have internal domain ? |
| 17:44.44 | Walex | knosys: that's described in: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#tasks |
| 17:45.01 | knosys | in : Selecting a default card? |
| 17:45.03 | m3ltdown_ | you mean what for example? |
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| 17:45.34 | Walex | knosys: or non-default, if by "priority" you means that you want to assign to them a specific order. |
| 17:45.47 | knosys | yes |
| 17:46.14 | Walex | knosys: so you assign to each card a different 'index=' value as you wish. |
| 17:46.25 | knosys | the problem is that file its empty |
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| 17:46.45 | knosys | so i must write whole lines, and have no clue on how to "name" the different devices there |
| 17:46.51 | cheche | m3ltdown_: you do not want all the dns query to be resolved by default dns right? |
| 17:47.09 | knosys | thats why im saying all the time about this "snd-XXX-sound' sintax thing |
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| 17:47.28 | jimbo1qaz | is there any difference between medium and full hinting? |
| 17:47.29 | Walex | knosys: then you put in the relevant lines like "options snd-usb-audio index=0" for example |
| 17:47.38 | m3ltdown_ | cheche, well yes, for example. |
| 17:47.41 | knosys | Because ive seen some examples of this file and looks like: Options snd-usb-sound index=0 |
| 17:47.59 | knosys | Walex: yes man, thats what i want to do. |
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| 17:48.06 | jimbo1qaz | It seems like the biggest joke of "Linux" rendering that there are two options which are identical. |
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| 17:48.12 | Walex | knosys: as to the name of the driver look at 'lsmod | grep snd' |
| 17:48.21 | knosys | finally thanks |
| 17:48.49 | Walex | jimbo1qaz: yes, there is a difference between all hinting modes and the differences depend on other parameters. |
| 17:48.51 | knosys | this is it , great! |
| 17:49.00 | cheche | m3ltdown_: so if you edit /etc/hosts and add this line 74.125.230.56 www.google.com it resolved as that ip address |
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| 17:49.20 | m3ltdown_ | yes |
| 17:49.24 | jimbo1qaz | Walex, why does it seem like on every computer I've tried, there's no visible difference between at least two modes? |
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| 17:49.47 | cheche | m3ltdown_: the reason is that on /etc/nsswitch.conf there is a priority hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 17:49.48 | mtn | jimbo1qaz: I see a difference on my computer |
| 17:49.57 | Walex | jimbo1qaz: the difference depends on whether you set 'autohint' or 'antialias' and even the font type. |
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| 17:50.19 | jimbo1qaz | hmmmm... |
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| 17:50.26 | m3ltdown_ | hm, I did not know about that config. mine says: hosts: files dns |
| 17:50.30 | Walex | jimbo1qaz: I have written some long explanations... |
| 17:50.49 | jimbo1qaz | still don't see it, can you post link? |
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| 17:51.39 | usr4 | i just installed lighttpd, works great, however i don't want httpd to launch automatically upon startup, just when i want to run it. is this possible? |
| 17:52.04 | cheche | m3ltdown_: that is fine... mine possibly is broken for all my experiments. now, if you have several internal address that you want to be resolved that would work for you easily |
| 17:52.14 | Walex | jimbo1qaz: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Cfg/Fontconfig/local.conf look for "hinting:" it also has a link to a more detailed page |
| 17:52.37 | Walex | jimbo1qaz: http://weirdfellow.wordpress.com/2010/07/25/valid-autohinting-hinting-style-options/ |
| 17:52.47 | m3ltdown_ | how, by appending some host to the hosts-line ? |
| 17:53.02 | cheche | m3ltdown_: how many do you have? |
| 17:53.19 | m3ltdown_ | you mean dns servers to serve? |
| 17:53.56 | m3ltdown_ | well I have say 2 additional IP addresses, one public recursor-IP from some foreign service, ... |
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| 17:54.52 | jimbo1qaz | I've never seen autohint before. |
| 17:55.49 | Walex | jimbo1qaz: it has a very big effect... But depends on whether the font is TTF or PS1 and whether the font already has manual hints or not. |
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| 17:57.00 | jimbo1qaz | irrelevant but why do the dell nubs stay soft but touchpoints harden? |
| 17:57.04 | Walex | jimbo1qaz: the Freetype developers have invested some time in trying to make autohinting work well. I think it works well for PS1 fonts, less well fot TTF ones. |
| 17:57.23 | jimbo1qaz | maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's just the thinkpad that I have is older |
| 17:57.37 | Walex | jimbo1qaz: ##hardware I guess is a better channel for that... :-) |
| 17:57.47 | m3ltdown_ | cheche, any hints perhapts? |
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| 17:58.40 | jimbo1qaz | too bad I don't have any super glue |
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| 18:01.09 | jimbo1qaz | How do I debug my kernel panic? |
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| 18:01.43 | Walex | jimbo1qaz: with great patience :-) |
| 18:01.59 | jimbo1qaz | Not a dev, what can I do? |
| 18:02.06 | Walex | jimbo1qaz: pay a dev :-) |
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| 18:02.11 | jimbo1qaz | I now have a call trace in front of me. |
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| 18:07.21 | richac | is there anyway to install cinnamon desktop? |
| 18:07.32 | csed | Is there anyway to find happiness? |
| 18:07.44 | richac | csed: no |
| 18:07.46 | csed | Yes, there is. And it's in this Nagios book by No Starch Press. |
| 18:09.27 | jimbo1qaz | http://cubeupload.com/im/sa2Gro.png |
| 18:10.01 | jimbo1qaz | I installed ipw2100 and firmware-nonfree before this crash. |
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| 18:10.17 | jimbo1qaz | On the same boot. |
| 18:10.28 | richac | csed: cinnamon is? |
| 18:10.49 | csed | richac: wot |
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| 18:11.15 | richac | csed: how can I install cinnamon |
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| 18:12.22 | csed | richac: I don't know. Is that a type of duck? |
| 18:12.48 | richac | csed: its a DE |
| 18:13.01 | richac | csed: you seem like a type of duck to me |
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| 18:13.04 | richac | lmao |
| 18:13.15 | csed | richac: t-thanks |
| 18:13.58 | mtn | richac: jessie and sid have cinnamon. |
| 18:14.23 | richac | mtn: tks |
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| 18:16.40 | jimbo1qaz | any help? |
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| 18:19.58 | cheche | m3ltdown_: sorry I had a call. my problem is that I am not 100% of what are you trying to achieve with your system. |
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| 18:20.48 | m3ltdown_ | I want the entire system to use some other IP for outgoing DNS requests than the default IP assigned to eth0 |
| 18:20.52 | wjtaylor | My flash drive is blinking, like it's being written to, but I used the eject feature on the Files menu. Is it safe to remove? |
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| 18:21.07 | wjtaylor | It doesn't show as mounted |
| 18:22.41 | cheche | m3ltdown_: so eth0 is not static, is dinamic. right? |
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| 18:23.14 | m3ltdown_ | well, yes |
| 18:23.20 | jimbo1qaz | OK I think I did something to the firmware and it didn't crash |
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| 18:23.37 | jimbo1qaz | ALL PRAISE NONFREE! \s |
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| 18:25.04 | tracphil | Is there something similiar to Redhat's anaconda.ks which has the options used to install? |
| 18:25.17 | brentaarnold | I've got an installation of Debian 7.7 with MATE. However, I've got duplicate packages now. Is there any way to remove the old gnome packages without removing gnome? Or, better yet, is there a way to remove gnome without removing the graphical desktop? |
| 18:25.31 | tracphil | I want to do a Debian preseed install and would like to get the answers to a newly installed VM as a base. |
| 18:26.51 | jimbo1qaz | Aaaaand, suspend works too. Don't know if it has the leaky battery bug. But doesn't matter, it's a "server". |
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| 18:27.08 | cheche | m3ltdown_: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 18:35.27 | sccc | hello all, in order to install debian jessie, should I download "debian-jessie-DI-b2-amd64" from Oct/03 or "debian-testing-amd64" from Oct/17 ? |
| 18:35.33 | sccc | Thank you |
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| 18:36.09 | sccc | does the latter weekly build contain the former? |
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| 18:38.25 | sccc | ok, i got it, the latter weekly build uses the same version of the installer as the beta 2 |
| 18:38.27 | sccc | right? |
| 18:38.49 | sccc | so, the weekly snapshots that I'm downloading now is fine |
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| 18:44.03 | Walex | tracphil: 'preseed' might be the keyword you want to look for |
| 18:44.22 | tracphil | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs03.html.en |
| 18:44.36 | tracphil | specifically |
| 18:44.36 | tracphil | $ debconf-get-selections --installer > file |
| 18:44.36 | tracphil | $ debconf-get-selections >> file |
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| 18:45.32 | peterrooney | sccc: better is to install a minimal stable, and edit sources.list, to upgrade to jessie. the "jessie installer" is, as I understand it, primarily for testing the installer. |
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| 18:50.15 | sccc | thanks peter, I'll go ahead and stop the download and download 7.7 stable instead |
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| 18:51.13 | Avic | hello |
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| 18:51.46 | Avic | i'm using x forwarding from my pc with windows 7 do a server with debian. |
| 18:51.47 | sccc | but would debian-testing-amd64 work though? |
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| 18:52.32 | Avic | but come programs i'm using are terribly slow with xfoardwing... i have to use other thing |
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| 18:59.42 | sccc | well, peter, thanks anyway |
| 18:59.46 | sccc | have a great day |
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| 19:02.50 | tete_ | hi, i am facing some problems with docker. i created a dockerfile which is based on wheezy/jessie, but in both cases, i get on 2-3 packages a 404, so the docker build aborts. everything works well with ubuntu as base image. is there something known? |
| 19:03.01 | tete_ | (on apt-get of course :) ) |
| 19:03.17 | Avic | what is better? |
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| 19:03.31 | Avic | vnc, rdp or vm? |
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| 19:05.41 | Brigo | tete_, try another image. |
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| 19:06.27 | Avic | openbox, kde, xfce, mate? |
| 19:06.43 | tete_ | Brigo, wheezy/jessie tested, you mean pre-wheezy? ubuntu (trusty) worked |
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| 19:06.59 | tete_ | but ubuntu ships a pretty old nginx which i can not use |
| 19:07.12 | Brigo | tete_, no i mean another jessie image. |
| 19:09.19 | tete_ | umm.. i would like to have the "official" image, not a user created one |
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| 19:10.12 | Brigo | tete_, i would be wise, if there was a jessie official image, but not yet. |
| 19:10.30 | Brigo | s/i would/it would/ |
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| 19:11.47 | tete_ | Brigo, ok... i meant "an image from stackbrew" |
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| 19:12.17 | tete_ | for me this is (more or less) official, at least unofficial enough to run :) |
| 19:12.22 | Brigo | tete_, i cannot help you with that, sorry. |
| 19:12.26 | tete_ | ok :/ |
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| 19:15.51 | Avic | hello i'm looking for a lightweight desktom enviornment for a server using debian |
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| 19:16.01 | Avic | desktop* |
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| 19:16.22 | cra1g321 | desktop environment for a server ?! |
| 19:16.29 | dvs | seconds |
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| 19:17.26 | Avic | yes, i need to acccess some apps with gui |
| 19:17.36 | Avic | xfoardwing is to slow |
| 19:17.49 | cra1g321 | mm maybe lxde |
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| 19:18.09 | Avic | lxde? |
| 19:18.17 | cra1g321 | yep |
| 19:18.25 | Avic | using vnc? |
| 19:18.45 | cra1g321 | i dont know, never done what you're looking to do |
| 19:18.45 | Avic | i don know if i should use a virtual machine |
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| 19:19.10 | marioxcc | hello |
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| 19:19.24 | marioxcc | I want to install Debian in a VM |
| 19:19.38 | marioxcc | with only a _basic_ graphic environment |
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| 19:19.48 | marioxcc | I don't want libreoffice, etc..., only lxde, how can I do this? |
| 19:20.11 | zinx | don't install the crap you don't want. |
| 19:20.12 | ompaul | this is that remote thing again isn't it? |
| 19:20.12 | somiaj | Avic: still working on this, vnc I still think is the way to go. http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/vnc.htm |
| 19:20.24 | cra1g321 | marioxcc use netinstall cd |
| 19:20.30 | somiaj | note depending on the internet connection it could be slow |
| 19:20.32 | cra1g321 | then apt-get the lxde desktop |
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| 19:20.43 | marioxcc | ompaul: it's for that, yes, but the question is unrelated |
| 19:21.14 | marioxcc | cra1g321: I have download the CD, I would like to use the packages here, but without installing libreoffice and that stuff, is there a way? |
| 19:21.30 | cra1g321 | install the lxde metapackage |
| 19:21.49 | marioxcc | could you please elaborate cra1g321? |
| 19:21.56 | cra1g321 | nope |
| 19:22.10 | ompaul | well on the host you install vm software if the host is debian then kvm is useful then look at the base install then add each piece one at a time, much easier to install the default and apt-get remove libreoffice* and check what goes if it was installed |
| 19:22.17 | somiaj | Avic: https://securedragon.net/clients/knowledgebase/40/HOW-TO-Setup-a-very-basic-Debian-VNC-server-XFCE4-Desktop.html -- foudn those both with vnc server debian. |
| 19:22.41 | ompaul | vm not vnc :) |
| 19:22.56 | marioxcc | somiaj: I think that you mean me, don't you? :) |
| 19:22.56 | ompaul | or am I mossing the things |
| 19:23.14 | ompaul | I'll just go away and moss elsewhere :) |
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| 19:25.07 | somiaj | marioxcc: No, Avic has been here for the last few days trying to get a remote desktop on his debian server. I suggested vnc a while a go, and now am giving him links has he has yet to set it up to try it. |
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| 19:25.53 | marioxcc | somiaj: ok, :) |
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| 19:26.19 | marioxcc | Avic: if it's a server not in the same LAN, VNC or similar technologies are going to be too slow |
| 19:26.22 | marioxcc | I suggest using SSH |
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| 19:26.32 | Avic | i used rdp, x2go, xfoardwing, didnt work |
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| 19:26.53 | marioxcc | Avic: also, you don't need VNC to use graphical programs, you can use SSH with X11 forwarding, check the man page |
| 19:26.56 | somiaj | marioxcc: he wants to be able to drag and drop and despite ssh xforwarding vnc is probabaly the closest to what he wants. |
| 19:27.09 | marioxcc | somiaj: ok |
| 19:27.13 | somiaj | marioxcc: he has had various people already lead him down that path, that is not what he wants. |
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| 19:27.27 | marioxcc | ok, ok |
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| 19:27.33 | somiaj | he should get help setting up vnc, maybe once he realizes it is gonna be slow he may decide somethign else. (: |
| 19:27.36 | Avic | no, i'm using x foardwing now, and its to slow, like static for ope of the apps i need |
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| 19:27.48 | Avic | some* |
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| 19:28.07 | somiaj | if x forwarding is slow, vnc may not be any better, but you will get to see the desktop as it would appear not just the windows. |
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| 19:28.21 | somiaj | Avic: anyways that second link seems fairly straight forawrd to set it up, give a try |
| 19:28.22 | marioxcc | Avic: what makes you think that VNC is going to be different? 24 bits per pixel, 786432 pixels (for instance), updated sevaral times per second, mostly redundant, but you can only get so far with that |
| 19:28.49 | marioxcc | you won't get a decent desktop environment in a remote desktop, forget it, I suggest plain SSH with CLI, which is quite usable |
| 19:28.50 | somiaj | also maybe drop the color depth down to 16 instead of 24, (: |
| 19:28.59 | csed | Wait, so. Wait, wait. What would happen if you ran startx over ssh -Y? |
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| 19:29.10 | csed | Would the heavens crash? |
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| 19:29.58 | Avic | i dont want a cute desktop, i like dark themes so, for me its speed more than beauty |
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| 19:30.22 | somiaj | Avic: vnc is still going to be slower than x11 forwerding over ssh. |
| 19:30.30 | somiaj | Avic: even if you only use a simple desktop |
| 19:30.34 | somiaj | or wm |
| 19:30.43 | Avic | i need the most lightweight ... |
| 19:30.44 | tete_ | Avic, i used fluxbox and really liked it |
| 19:30.52 | tete_ | or blackbox maybe |
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| 19:31.00 | somiaj | the most light weight is learn how to use the cli and terminals |
| 19:31.01 | tete_ | or use x directly :) |
| 19:31.05 | Avic | so vnc is no go... |
| 19:31.13 | marioxcc | somiaj: I agree! |
| 19:31.35 | Avic | i have to see the app, because its a only windows app |
| 19:31.48 | Avic | i use it in debian |
| 19:31.54 | Avic | well, so |
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| 19:32.11 | somiaj | Avic: again give vnc a try, no way to know unless you try it |
| 19:32.12 | marioxcc | Is there a way to set KVM as the default in QEMU? |
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| 19:32.36 | ompaul | kvm is qemu is kvm |
| 19:32.37 | Avic | and teamviewer ? |
| 19:32.40 | marioxcc | I have compiled it from the sources, I don't mean the version in debian stable which don't yet supports KVM nativele |
| 19:32.48 | Avic | some sugested me that |
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| 19:32.49 | marioxcc | *natively |
| 19:33.04 | ompaul | what |
| 19:33.09 | ompaul | gives up |
| 19:33.10 | marioxcc | with upstream qemu, -enable-kvm is neccesary, but I tend to forget it, is there a way to enable it by default? |
| 19:33.44 | somiaj | marioxcc: are you using libvirt? |
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| 19:34.15 | somiaj | marioxcc: on debian qemu has kvm enabled and I never ahd to do anything special. Though I used libvirt to manage the vms, made things easier. |
| 19:34.18 | marioxcc | somiaj: no, I launch the machies from script |
| 19:34.28 | marioxcc | the KVM in debian stable is obsolete |
| 19:34.34 | zinx | echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nqemu -enable-kvm "$@"' > ~/bin/qemu && chmod +x ~/bin/qemu |
| 19:34.38 | marioxcc | now KVM is part of upstream qemu |
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| 19:34.44 | zinx | oops, /usr/bin/qemu |
| 19:34.53 | Avic | the vm has the vnc protocol? |
| 19:35.05 | marioxcc | zinx: that will work, thanks |
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| 19:35.36 | jasonwc | I'm trying to copy an entire dirve with rsync to a new ZFS pool. Is the correct command "rsync -r /media/Disk01 /data" |
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| 19:35.58 | somiaj | jasonwc: use -a (that way attributes, permissions and the likes are preserved) |
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| 19:36.07 | somiaj | jasonwc: if you want to see output use -av |
| 19:36.27 | dvs | rav? |
| 19:36.44 | Avic | http://www.teamviewer.com/pt/help/firststeps.aspx |
| 19:36.51 | Avic | what you think about this? |
| 19:36.58 | jasonwc | somaj how do i get it to show speed? |
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| 19:37.48 | somiaj | jasonwc: not sure, man rsync |
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| 19:40.15 | Avic | ok, i will use vnc |
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| 19:42.02 | marioxcc | Avic: why do you want to use VNC? there is almost surely a better option to solve your problem that streaming a desktop through a high-latency network |
| 19:42.40 | Avic | so, what you sugest? |
| 19:43.03 | marioxcc | Avic: it depends, why do you want to use VNC in the fist place? to avoid the CLI? |
| 19:43.17 | marioxcc | if you want a sandbox machine, virtualize one of your own in your own computer, it's REALLY easy |
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| 19:43.43 | marioxcc | if you want the sake of simplicity, the CLI is the way to go, the GUI is often not fully featured, and it can't be scripted |
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| 19:44.55 | Avic | i need to see some apps i'm using in debian |
| 19:45.01 | Avic | gui |
| 19:45.13 | Avic | xfoardwing is too slow |
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| 19:45.23 | marioxcc | "apps"? I guess that you mean computer program, "app" is a buzzword |
| 19:45.34 | Avic | x2go don't work for me |
| 19:45.47 | Avic | yes, applications |
| 19:45.48 | marioxcc | Avic: but what do you want to do through VNC? why can't you use the command line? |
| 19:46.10 | Avic | i have to see the aplications window |
| 19:46.11 | marioxcc | well, application is ambigous, I'd recommend, just say âprogramâ |
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| 19:46.25 | Avic | program window |
| 19:46.26 | marioxcc | Avic: which âaplications windowsâ, do you mean the package manager? |
| 19:46.36 | Avic | no |
| 19:46.37 | marioxcc | if so, learn to use apt-get or aptitude |
| 19:47.25 | Avic | i have some programs installed in the server. i have to open that programs ans see what they have in ttheir windows. |
| 19:47.44 | Avic | loook at the programs windows |
| 19:47.54 | marioxcc | Avic: you're using the server the wrong way, you're not suppose to manage a server by GUI, but by the CLI |
| 19:47.57 | Avic | they don't work in cli |
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| 19:48.03 | marioxcc | what are those programs for? don't they have CLI equivalents? |
| 19:48.16 | Avic | no they dont |
| 19:48.28 | marioxcc | it seems to me like the problem isn't that VNC is too slow, but that you're expecting the internet to be too fast |
| 19:48.51 | Avic | i didn't use vnc |
| 19:48.53 | marioxcc | the internet is fast, order of magnitue faster than what we had just 100 years ago, but still not enough to run graphical programs in a server comfortably |
| 19:48.58 | Avic | so i don know |
| 19:49.16 | csed | Avic: Is this an internal machine? |
| 19:49.31 | Avic | i know that x foardwing is to slow, static slow to one of the programs i use |
| 19:49.48 | Avic | internal? |
| 19:50.02 | csed | Avic: Is it on your internal network? |
| 19:50.05 | Avic | is just me there yes, its not public |
| 19:50.11 | Avic | no |
| 19:50.16 | Avic | its internet |
| 19:50.57 | csed | Then it's probably the connection. Can't get around that by replacing ssh -Y with VNC. |
| 19:51.03 | Avic | x2go didn't work for me because of resolution problems |
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| 19:52.07 | csed | ssh -Y works like a beast for me, but on our internal boxes. |
| 19:52.08 | Avic | marioxcc, the app is not ththat |
| 19:52.25 | Avic | marioxcc, the program is not that demanding |
| 19:52.28 | marioxcc | Avic: it seems to me like you don't have an idea of why you want to use VNC in the first place |
| 19:52.47 | marioxcc | Avic: any graphical program is going to be demanding on the network, even if it isn't in the CPU or the RAM,etc... |
| 19:53.01 | Avic | i know exacly for what i want to use |
| 19:53.12 | Avic | not the way to do it |
| 19:53.47 | Avic | so if you think vnc is not a good idea, so what is the best alternative for you? |
| 19:53.51 | marioxcc | Avic: well, if your plans require you to do something not feasible, then your plans are wrong in the first place |
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| 19:54.14 | marioxcc | Avic: not to use any remote graphical program through anything else than a short LAN |
| 19:54.21 | marioxcc | that's my suggestion |
| 19:54.33 | csed | marioxcc: Stealing that sentence when I need to sound smart. |
| 19:54.57 | marioxcc | csed: hmm, which sentence? |
| 19:55.13 | csed | <marioxcc> Avic: well, if your plans require you to do something not feasible, then your plans are wrong in the first place |
| 19:55.23 | marioxcc | csed: hehe :) |
| 19:55.28 | Avic | well, thats not helping me |
| 19:55.33 | marioxcc | csed: great minds think alike ;) |
| 19:55.45 | marioxcc | Avic: we're trying to, but it seems like you don't want to understand |
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| 19:56.20 | Avic | no, i think you dont understand |
| 19:56.41 | marioxcc | well, my participation ends here, that's all I have to say. good luck! |
| 19:56.56 | Avic | telling me to use cli with programs that don't use it... |
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| 19:58.23 | dondelelcaro | Avic: X forwarding is generally as fast as any other protocol, unless you're trying to forward full motion video or something like that |
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| 19:59.19 | Avic | no |
| 19:59.25 | marioxcc | do any of you guys have experience installing Debian remotely? |
| 19:59.41 | marioxcc | if so, would you be so kind so as to point me to documentation? |
| 19:59.42 | Avic | its not full motion video |
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| 19:59.48 | dondelelcaro | Avic: but that said, there's tightvncserver et al, which are other methods of doing X forwarding if you'd rather use them. |
| 20:00.25 | dondelelcaro | marioxcc: the install guide covers things pretty well, see specifically the section on starting installs using remote ssh. |
| 20:00.51 | dondelelcaro | marioxcc: if you need complete remote installs without any local interaction, you need preseeding to start remote ssh. |
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| 20:01.17 | Avic | i'm using the mobaxterm |
| 20:01.21 | XP2 | https://fsf.org/blogs/community/a-victory-for-free-software-over-the-microsoft-tax |
| 20:01.49 | Avic | its fine, but that one app is too slow |
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| 20:02.13 | marioxcc | XP2: that's very cool, thanks for the link |
| 20:02.17 | marioxcc | dondelelcaro: I'm looking into it |
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| 20:03.43 | marioxcc | dondelelcaro: could you please point me to the apropriate section? I can't find anything specific |
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| 20:05.37 | Avic | other methods of x forwarding ? oh |
| 20:05.48 | Avic | i thought they were all alike |
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| 20:06.19 | jasonwc | what are some good system monitors for linux? I want to see HDD temps (24 drives), I/O stats, CPU utilizaton etc |
| 20:07.42 | marioxcc | jasonwc: You mean for GNU/Linux (See the name of the distribution). I don't know for generic ones, but I use iptraf for network and you may find smartctl useful |
| 20:08.05 | Avic | is this any good? |
| 20:08.07 | Avic | http://www.teamviewer.com/pt/index.aspx |
| 20:08.19 | jasonwc | marioxcc, looking for a GUI |
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| 20:08.27 | marioxcc | jasonwc: I have no idea, sorry |
| 20:08.32 | jasonwc | np, thanks |
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| 20:09.07 | Avic | its not free |
| 20:09.09 | Avic | .. |
| 20:09.37 | marioxcc | jasonwc: check out rrdtool |
| 20:10.17 | Guest47186 | jasonwc: your highest disk temperature will be recorded in the SMART statistics |
| 20:10.27 | Guest47186 | i/o stats: iostat -dcxm 1 |
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| 20:10.34 | Guest47186 | cpu: atop |
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| 20:12.10 | marioxcc | how much RAM do you recommend for installing Debian? |
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| 20:12.20 | marioxcc | will 1 GB be enough? will more provide a significant benefit? |
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| 20:12.42 | dvs | marioxcc: as long as you dont use a GUI |
| 20:13.17 | rww | marioxcc: I have Debian with MATE desktop environment running in 256MB of RAM just fine. 1GB should be plenty. |
| 20:13.29 | marioxcc | dvs, rww: ok, thanks |
| 20:14.02 | Avic | and NX? |
| 20:14.12 | Avic | is not better than VNC? |
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| 20:14.40 | marioxcc | Avic: it's not about the software, it's about network latency. any software is going to have similar if not worser performance than X11 forwarding |
| 20:15.18 | marioxcc | how can I install Debian in a remote server which has GNU/Linux installed already? |
| 20:15.26 | Avic | well, i want to try other method, or other kind os x forwarding |
| 20:15.36 | marioxcc | I.e: using debian-installer and accessing it through SSH or VNC, rather than debootstrap |
| 20:15.38 | Avic | i have to test it |
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| 20:16.21 | Avic | but i have installed everything in the server lasr nightk, don't want to do anything that i can regret later |
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| 20:18.54 | dondelelcaro | marioxcc: this is probably better documentation than the install guide: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote |
| 20:19.07 | dondelelcaro | marioxcc: which even covers how to do the preseed bits |
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| 20:20.46 | marioxcc | dondelelcaro: thanks you, I was trying to follow that |
| 20:20.58 | marioxcc | I'm testing the instructions in a virtual machine |
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| 20:21.09 | marioxcc | how can I install LXDE without installing all the baggage like libreoffice? |
| 20:21.25 | Avic | i want to try nx |
| 20:21.28 | jazzz | hello. 28800 seral port baud rate on debian? anyone got experience? |
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| 20:21.37 | dondelelcaro | jazzz: what about it? |
| 20:21.47 | jazzz | non-standard baud rate |
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| 20:21.53 | jazzz | not in termbits.h |
| 20:22.14 | dondelelcaro | marioxcc: just apt-get install --without-recommends lxde; |
| 20:22.21 | dondelelcaro | marioxcc: or similar |
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| 20:22.57 | dondelelcaro | jazzz: works fine in screen here; not sure why you'd use that, though. |
| 20:22.59 | mo1991 | Avic - I'm not sure why you are looking any further than vnc or x11vnc? Works fine - as good as any other remote gui server... I use it all the time |
| 20:23.03 | marioxcc | dondelelcaro: so should I install just the âbase systemâ first, then run apt-get? |
| 20:23.13 | mo1991 | tunnel through ssh port so it's secure |
| 20:23.19 | dondelelcaro | marioxcc: that's usually the method, yeah. |
| 20:23.41 | Avic | i want ssh |
| 20:23.47 | Avic | so vnc... |
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| 20:24.04 | marioxcc | dondelelcaro: thanks you |
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| 20:25.36 | jazzz | dondelelcaro: i got device that talks on that speed from windows. i need to write app to communicate with that device. |
| 20:26.13 | jazzz | Dondelelcaro: sorry, screen? |
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| 20:27.12 | dondelelcaro | jazzz: yes. screen does serial communication. |
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| 20:27.38 | mo1991 | avic and try xvnc4viewer - out of the box it is setup to use very minimal bandwidth so it is faster than some of the other viewers |
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| 20:28.09 | Avic | but thats for vnc |
| 20:28.16 | Avic | not ssh |
| 20:28.31 | mo1991 | I thought u wanted a graphical remote server? |
| 20:28.51 | mo1991 | ssh is command line |
| 20:28.56 | Guidance | Ìû |
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| 20:29.27 | Avic | yes |
| 20:29.51 | Avic | i want, but the nx have ssh, is safer |
| 20:30.18 | Avic | vnc is just photos of the desktop |
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| 20:30.28 | mo1991 | avic - i'm not understanding . If you want graphical use vnc. If you want command line use ssh. If you want graphical but with ssh security use vnc but through a ssh tunnel |
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| 20:31.08 | Avic | but vnc with ssh tunnel is too slow |
| 20:31.14 | kaiux | Avic: you can acess your graphical app using ssh. First from your machine to the remote server: ssh -X user@ip |
| 20:31.16 | Avic | from what i'm reading |
| 20:31.31 | Avic | well it will be or vnc or nx |
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| 20:31.59 | kaiux | than, after you have logged into you remote server, you can start any X application such as xterm, gnome-terminal, firefox.. etc... |
| 20:32.02 | Avic | you don't have experience with NX? |
| 20:32.20 | popallamsimbi | hi, i run debian wheezy and it updated my iceweasel to 31 but i want to use 24 how can i downgrade? when i try to force version in synaptic an error occurs |
| 20:32.28 | mo1991 | Avic - I use vnc through ssh tunnel just fine. Your not going to get anything faster that I know of. Is your internet connection really slow? Again, I suggest you take a look at your viewer as well, as some of the settings in the viewer can really slow down the speed |
| 20:32.41 | marioxcc | how can I use virtio for a bootable qemu CD? |
| 20:32.43 | jelly-home | popallamsimbi: 24 is not covered by security fixes any more |
| 20:32.44 | marioxcc | (or KVM) |
| 20:33.17 | Avic | my net is 100/8 mbit/s |
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| 20:33.43 | Avic | ok mo1991 |
| 20:33.54 | Avic | i should use this guide? |
| 20:34.10 | jelly-home | popallamsimbi: see the timeline at https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/ |
| 20:34.14 | mo1991 | avic - btw no, i do not have any experience with nx |
| 20:34.16 | popallamsimbi | hm, but 31 is like sh**t its so slow it tages like 3GB of ram |
| 20:34.18 | sine` | when i apt-get install a package that does not exist, how do i then found out what package is its parent ? |
| 20:34.20 | Avic | https://securedragon.net/clients/knowledgebase/40/HOW-TO-Setup-a-very-basic-Debian-VNC-server-XFCE4-Desktop.html |
| 20:34.21 | jasonwc | what do the load average #s in top actually mean? |
| 20:34.44 | kaiux | you ssh -X -c to try do compress it, it get some speed but, as others have said, you have internet limits |
| 20:35.19 | dondelelcaro | jazzz: and set serial can do that too, see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2997642/php-to-serial-with-weird-baud-rates |
| 20:35.25 | Avic | is this ok? mo1991 :-) https://securedragon.net/clients/knowledgebase/40/HOW-TO-Setup-a-very-basic-Debian-VNC-server-XFCE4-Desktop.html |
| 20:35.27 | popallamsimbi | but thanks for the information. |
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| 20:36.02 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:36.49 | mo1991 | avic - it seems fine other than it doesn't discuss the ssh tunneling part of a good setup. |
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| 20:36.59 | mo1991 | avic - I personally use x11vnc |
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| 20:37.08 | mo1991 | so all I do is apt-get install x11vnc |
| 20:37.09 | Avic | vnc4server + tightvncviwer |
| 20:37.15 | Avic | ok |
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| 20:37.27 | mo1991 | I find tightvncviewer to be slower than vnc4viewer |
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| 20:37.49 | jelly-home | popallamsimbi: ymmv, I find 31esr a bit more responsive than 24esr, but I use NoScript and don't run flash in it |
| 20:37.53 | Avic | so... |
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| 20:38.19 | mo1991 | I think tightvncviewer is slightly less insecure - but any vnc is insecure unless it is over ssh tunnel from what I understand |
| 20:38.20 | Avic | x11vnc better than vnc4server? |
| 20:38.33 | jasonwc | How can i see temps for all my hard drives in one place? |
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| 20:38.44 | jasonwc | i see there's the option in drive tools but i have to choose each one |
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| 20:39.15 | Avic | anyone with knowledge in NX? |
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| 20:39.41 | jelly-home | Avic: x11vnc serves a different purpose, and connects to an existing X session |
| 20:39.42 | mo1991 | x11vnc is more for seeing the gui that your user already has open - meaning I log into my own user on my home server that is already logged in at home. vnc4server is more for logging into a different user , aka, with its own desktop |
| 20:39.55 | popallamsimbi | hm i also use noscript, but iceweasel is constantly using 40%cpu and ram is growing after several hours it uses 6 of 8 GB |
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| 20:40.55 | marioxcc | popallamsimbi: I think that you will need to write to the mailing list or file a bug report for that |
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| 20:41.09 | jelly-home | popallamsimbi: I have 200+ tabs and about 550MB RES usage |
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| 20:41.35 | jelly-home | but this is still on 32bit |
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| 20:42.14 | Avic | i didn't understand very well |
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| 20:42.47 | Avic | but, for me is vnc4server... from your words |
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| 20:43.04 | popallamsimbi | ok so i hink its my systems fault that its so slow , so thanks for the answers if i cant fix it i file a bug report but where do i do that. i never did |
| 20:43.22 | jelly-home | !reportbug |
| 20:43.22 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 20:43.37 | marioxcc | popallamsimbi: maybe it's your configuration |
| 20:43.44 | mo1991 | x11vnc is for sharing the screen you are currently looking at - vnc4server is for remote login of a new xsession aka new user with their own "screen" and applications running |
| 20:43.45 | marioxcc | of Iceweasel |
| 20:43.50 | mo1991 | avic above |
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| 20:44.12 | jazzz | Dondelelcaro: hm.. thank you. but have you tested it in screen? are you sure that actual speed was 28800? |
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| 20:45.01 | Avic | from what i understand i should use vnc4server |
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| 20:45.30 | Avic | i want to conect to my server from my home |
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| 20:46.24 | mo1991 | avic - either one will allow you to what you want. Unless the user you want to use is constantly logged in on your sever, then yes you should use vnc4server |
| 20:46.29 | marioxcc | dondelelcaro: if I follow that guide, I need to keep intact the partition where the ISO resides, right? |
| 20:46.42 | marioxcc | is there a way to avoid this, like mounting the ISO in a tmpfs or using PXE? |
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| 20:47.09 | sine` | how to run deb files from command line, ./*.deb ? |
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| 20:47.32 | Avic | no im not constantly login, but i want to close window and let apps running |
| 20:47.43 | towo` | sine`, you can't run deb-files |
| 20:47.48 | towo` | sine`, you can install them |
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| 20:48.13 | sine` | sudo dpgk -i deb |
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| 20:49.00 | mo1991 | avic - use vnc4viewer |
| 20:49.08 | mo1991 | with vnc4server |
| 20:49.15 | mo1991 | gotta run |
| 20:49.20 | Avic | ok |
| 20:49.24 | Avic | thanks |
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| 20:49.35 | Avic | :-) |
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| 20:52.59 | sine` | what is the all package for |
| 20:53.08 | sine` | wow that was nice and quick! beats building it, i think. |
| 20:53.21 | sine` | lots of warning errors on loading up though |
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| 21:04.40 | cyber37 | Hi, i am trying to make a PPA, i have make my source package, when i do "dput ppa:c..... ./*.changes" it works, but in my ppa i see 0 updates added during the past month. |
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| 21:04.49 | cyber37 | What am i missing ? |
| 21:05.09 | WormFood | Is "time" broken? It won't accept any command line options. It treats *everything* as a command to run. WTF? Am I doing something wrong? |
| 21:05.12 | cyber37 | http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/apps/other-forms-of-submitting-apps/ppa/ https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading |
| 21:05.32 | WormFood | cyber37, are you using Ubuntu? |
| 21:05.42 | cyber37 | Yes worm, but it's the same in debian |
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| 21:05.50 | cyber37 | But yes i can try #ubuntu |
| 21:05.55 | WormFood | the same, eh? |
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| 21:07.24 | OERIAS | WormFood, Ubuntu 14.10 crash with it being on for 10 minutes |
| 21:07.31 | OERIAS | now that funny |
| 21:07.33 | WormFood | !ubuntu |
| 21:07.33 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 21:07.58 | WormFood | I don't like Ubuntu |
| 21:08.13 | WormFood | so, I don't use it. It can crash all it wants, I don't mind :P |
| 21:08.15 | OERIAS | Me either, but at times I have to use it |
| 21:08.21 | WormFood | why do you have to use it? |
| 21:08.27 | OERIAS | Mobile computers |
| 21:08.41 | WormFood | that makes....no....sense |
| 21:08.54 | WormFood | why can't you use debian? |
| 21:08.56 | OERIAS | on a system 76 yes it does |
| 21:09.00 | jasonwc | hmm, i found a howto with info on adding an applet called "hardware sensors monitor' |
| 21:09.23 | jasonwc | but the first step is to add to panel and there doesn't seem to be a way to do that |
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| 21:10.22 | WormFood | so, a system 76 computer prevents you from installing a distro other than Ubuntu? |
| 21:10.46 | adamsilver_ | How do I compile Python 3 from source without screwing up the Python installation that the system uses? |
| 21:11.05 | WormFood | adamsilver_, you install it to a different directory |
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| 21:11.57 | OERIAS | WormFood, no because my work requires to keep the computer with ubuntu |
| 21:12.01 | OERIAS | some odd reason |
| 21:12.04 | dvs | ,v python3 |
| 21:12.06 | judd | Package: python3 on i386 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.3-6; sid: 3.4.2-1; jessie: 3.4.2-1 |
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| 21:12.21 | WormFood | so, install debian in a chroot environment :P |
| 21:12.24 | Avic | ok, it will be xfce + vnc4server |
| 21:12.32 | jasonwc | http://askubuntu.com/questions/39760/how-can-i-control-hdd-spin-down-time shows an option to change the spin down time for drives in disk utility but I don't see this option in debian. Is it not included? |
| 21:12.45 | dvs | get you're own laptop and show them who's boss! |
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| 21:13.13 | WormFood | you're = you are...not the same as "your" |
| 21:13.17 | OERIAS | dvs, I do |
| 21:13.32 | terminator | How do I set my timezone to Eastern Time? I typed date and it's set to UTC |
| 21:14.01 | dvs | WormFood: yore right |
| 21:14.18 | OERIAS | ur |
| 21:14.20 | OERIAS | ure |
| 21:14.36 | OERIAS | I have seen those before^ |
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| 21:14.51 | WormFood | OERIAS, by people who can't type :P |
| 21:14.58 | OERIAS | exactly |
| 21:15.02 | OERIAS | or simple too lazy |
| 21:15.14 | WormFood | I can't see it as being lazy |
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| 21:15.21 | WormFood | it only takes a fraction of a second to hit a key |
| 21:15.32 | WormFood | and they're saving what? 1-2 key strokes? |
| 21:15.46 | OERIAS | WormFood, people with smartphones do the stupidest things |
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| 21:16.01 | OERIAS | like "Can I haz ur fone" |
| 21:16.15 | OERIAS | "send me pic" |
| 21:16.25 | WormFood | reminds me of the Ali G. movie, where he sends a message with so much crap, they have to call him to get him to explain what it means. |
| 21:16.32 | crush26 | if I have 3 different gnome-terminal windows of all running three separate commands and I want to close one of the windows via cli in a forth gnome-terminal window. I can run pstree -p and get the bash PID of the parent then run kill -9 PID of bash parent, which closes the gnome-terminal window in question. How can I script this process? Is there a way to get the parent PID without traversing the ancestry of pstree? |
| 21:16.55 | WormFood | why would you use -9 option? |
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| 21:17.20 | crush26 | WormFood: kill with out the -9 will not close the window |
| 21:17.39 | WormFood | look in /proc/<PID> for it's parent |
| 21:18.40 | Brigo | crush26, pgrep gnome-terminal ? |
| 21:18.45 | crush26 | WormFood: just run "/proc/PID of the command running in the window I want to close? |
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| 21:19.57 | crush26 | Brigo: pgrep gnome-terminal just returns me back to the prompt |
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| 21:20.21 | Brigo | crush26, then there is no gnome-terminal running or i misstyped it. |
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| 21:21.08 | crush26 | Brigo: I mis typed |
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| 21:21.37 | OERIAS | sudo apt-get make richard-sandwich |
| 21:21.37 | crush26 | Brigo: however I currently have 2 windows open and pgrep only returns one PID |
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| 21:21.39 | WormFood | crush26, look for PPid in /proc/<pid>/status |
| 21:21.50 | WormFood | I believe that is the ParentPID |
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| 21:23.39 | crush26 | WormFood: I get permission denied |
| 21:23.47 | crush26 | ...and I am logged in as root |
| 21:24.11 | WormFood | pid=5520 ; grep PPid /proc/${pid}/status|awk '{print $2}' <-- an example of how to extract the parent PID |
| 21:24.31 | WormFood | crush26, then you're doing something wrong |
| 21:24.50 | WormFood | even as a user, you're allowed access to processes you own |
| 21:25.17 | crush26 | WormFood: "{pid}" is the actual PID correct or is it just the way you typed it? |
| 21:25.27 | WormFood | it's a variable |
| 21:25.35 | WormFood | it's ${pid} |
| 21:25.41 | WormFood | in my example, 5520 |
| 21:25.56 | crush26 | WormFood: ahh duh sorry...been a long day...I see it |
| 21:26.33 | WormFood | There are other ways to do it...like you can omit awk ;) |
| 21:27.43 | crush26 | WormFood: nah awk is good in your example. Thanks |
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| 21:31.20 | crush26 | http://paste.pound-python.org/show/RnbiDulrFQeyfianaSHa/ |
| 21:31.43 | crush26 | I am trying to get to the first "bah" PID, that would be the grandparent right? |
| 21:31.49 | crush26 | *bash |
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| 21:33.43 | WormFood | it's all relative |
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| 21:34.57 | crush26 | WormFood: not really, the first bash PID on the left is the one I need to close the window |
| 21:35.05 | troy | hey, are there any versions of debian with python3 as default python? |
| 21:35.29 | WormFood | crush26, *everything* is relative :P |
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| 21:35.47 | WormFood | the grandparent of pstree is su |
| 21:36.05 | WormFood | if you want to get rid of "su", then do it as "exec su" :P |
| 21:36.36 | crush26 | WormFood: but I am trying to find a way to go directly to that PID and not have to walk the ancestry. |
| 21:36.49 | WormFood | how can you do that? |
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| 21:37.04 | WormFood | you get the parent PID, of the parent's PID |
| 21:37.08 | crush26 | WormFood: I dont know, that is why I am in here asking haha |
| 21:37.08 | WormFood | it's straight forward. |
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| 21:37.36 | crush26 | WormFood: yes but the number of steps is different on each of my macchines |
| 21:37.55 | WormFood | are you trying to find a specific program, and kill? |
| 21:39.49 | crush26 | WormFood: no, I am trying to close the actual window. Sometimes our broadcaster programs causes the window to become unresponsive and I am writing a script to close the window, but the steps to get to the grandparent PID is different on all my machines, so not really a standard way to do this that I can see |
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| 21:40.55 | WormFood | it IS a standard way |
| 21:41.35 | crush26 | WormFood: how when the number of steps needed to get to the grandparent is unknown? |
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| 21:43.16 | WormFood | it's 2 steps to the grandparent |
| 21:43.19 | jelly-home | crush26: why would it be unknown? |
| 21:43.34 | WormFood | jelly-home, because it's unknown to him :P |
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| 21:43.54 | crush26 | WormFood: standard to me is, across the board, it will only take 3 steps to get to the grandparent PID. Then I could write a script to traverse the ancestry 3 times. However, when one machine is 3 steps, another machine is 5 steps, and yet another could be 7-9? |
| 21:44.11 | jelly-home | crush26: ps -o ppid= 45325 |
| 21:44.39 | jelly-home | crush26: that means you're not starting the app in the same way |
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| 21:45.52 | jelly-home | but "grandparent" means "exactly two steps", so... if it's 3 steps that'd be a grand-grandparent... semantics |
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| 21:46.29 | crush26 | jelly-home: yes, but it is the first PID that will actually close the window |
| 21:46.34 | WormFood | pid=$$ ; i=`grep PPid /proc/${pid}/status|awk '{print $2}'`; echo parent = $i; echo grandparent = `grep PPid /proc/${i}/status|awk '{print $2}'` |
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| 21:47.31 | WormFood | pid=$$ ; parent=`grep PPid /proc/${pid}/status|awk '{print $2}'`; echo parent = $parent; echo grandparent = `grep PPid /proc/${i}/status|awk '{print $2}'` <-- with better variable names. Understand how this works crush26? |
| 21:47.47 | WormFood | by the way, "$$" is the current PID (of your bash shell) |
| 21:48.04 | jelly-home | crush26: can you show the output of "xlsclients -l" and "pstree -Apa 1" on such a machine? |
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| 21:48.32 | jelly-home | crush26: were you asking about the same issue a week or two ago? |
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| 21:49.45 | crush26 | jelly-home: yes I was. I am looking now for an example to show you. |
| 21:49.58 | crush26 | WormFood: yes, I understand what you are doing there |
| 21:50.19 | WormFood | crush26, review what I've said. I've given you code snippets that does what you've asked for. |
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| 21:50.24 | jelly-home | what happened to the fact these apps were not interactive and had no reason to be running inside xterms directly at all? |
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| 21:51.27 | WormFood | jelly-home, how do you pass options to the "time" command? |
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| 21:52.10 | jelly-home | WormFood: time shell builtin, or /usr/bin/time? |
| 21:52.10 | WormFood | like, "time -v some_command"...it always takes the -v as a command, (which of course, does not exist) |
| 21:52.25 | WormFood | oh...I bet it's using the internal builtin time |
| 21:52.47 | WormFood | yeah, that's the problem |
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| 21:54.03 | crush26 | jelly-home: was that for me regarding running apps in x? |
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| 21:54.12 | WormFood | this is interesting. One of my programs takes almost twice as long, if I do things concurrently. |
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| 21:54.26 | crush26 | WormFood: thanks for the examples. I will put them to work |
| 21:54.27 | jelly-home | crush26: yes. |
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| 21:54.39 | WormFood | crush26, your welcome ;) |
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| 21:55.09 | jmcnaught | crush26: i'm not sure exactly what you're trying to do or why it's important to kill the gnome-terminal window, but as an alternative have you considered using screen with named sessions? You can terminate a screen session named "blah" with the command "screen -X -S blah quit" |
| 21:55.34 | WormFood | screen is awesome! A very handy tool |
| 21:55.37 | jelly-home | crush26: more precisely, running inside xterms instead of at least inside screen, or a proper service management tool |
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| 21:57.06 | WormFood | I never login to my server using the normal procedure. I always just run screen as my process, instead of a shell |
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| 21:57.18 | jmcnaught | crush26: yeah something like monit or supervisord might be a better fit for the root problem you're trying to address |
| 21:57.46 | jelly-home | jmcnaught: apparently they're starting long-running processes in xterms to be able to monitor their stdout |
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| 21:58.06 | WormFood | just redirect stdout to a file, and tail it in the terminal |
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| 21:58.31 | jelly-home | there's more than one way to skin that cat |
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| 21:58.49 | Avic | do you know a good guide to install vnc4server with ssh tunnel? |
| 21:59.22 | crush26 | jmcnaught: I have considered what you have said, but as it stands right now, my boss does not want to change the way we do things |
| 21:59.32 | WormFood | Avic, why don't you state what you're trying to do, and see if your ideas are really the best solution? |
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| 22:00.14 | WormFood | sounds like you got a pointy haired boss |
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| 22:01.26 | crush26 | jelly-home: the apps are not interactive per se, however the person monitoring the broadcast streams sometimes will have to Ctrl-C to stop the stream; however sometimes the terminal will become unresponsive and not allowing the Ctrl-C. This is the extent of the "interaction" |
| 22:01.43 | crush26 | WormFood: haha to say the least |
| 22:02.14 | jelly-home | crush26: and an equivalent kill -INT can be done even if it's not running in foreground in an xterm |
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| 22:03.56 | crush26 | jelly-home: I cannot use xterm. If I had it my way, I would execute our broadcast script in xterm then if there was any problem with unresponsiveness, I can just kill xterm. |
| 22:04.25 | crush26 | jelly-home: however, my boss does not like xterm and therefore we cannot use it...stupid huh? |
| 22:04.32 | jelly-home | crush26: when I say "xterm" I mean any x terminal emulator, including gnome-terminal |
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| 22:05.02 | crush26 | jelly-home: it seems to me gnome-terminal does not respond as xterm does |
| 22:06.08 | exhibitor | why ipv6 address stops working after some idle? Starts to work again only if i ping the gateway's ipv6 address. |
| 22:06.12 | crush26 | jelly-home: maybe it is just me and my not knowing how gnome-terminal operates in oppose to xterm...this is more likely the case |
| 22:06.35 | exhibitor | hi,why ipv6 address stops working after some idle? Starts to work again only if i ping the gateway's ipv6 address. |
| 22:07.12 | valdyn | !tell exhibitor -about ask |
| 22:07.17 | valdyn | !tell exhibitor -smart questions |
| 22:07.25 | valdyn | !tell exhibitor -about smart questions |
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| 22:07.50 | exhibitor | valdyn, what's wrong? |
| 22:08.03 | exhibitor | my question is direct and obvious |
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| 22:08.28 | gecko_x2 | hi |
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| 22:08.59 | gecko_x2 | i'm trying to install gnome with the command " sudo tasksel install gnome-desktop --new-install" |
| 22:09.01 | exhibitor | valdyn, |
| 22:09.09 | exhibitor | explain yourself |
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| 22:09.34 | gecko_x2 | but when it tries to retrieve package 1219, it fails with error apt-get failed (100) |
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| 22:09.48 | crush26 | what is the "`" for in this statement "parent=`grep PPid"? |
| 22:09.50 | gecko_x2 | every time |
| 22:10.03 | gecko_x2 | any clues where i could look? |
| 22:10.29 | gecko_x2 | this is a clean install with testing repos |
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| 22:10.49 | valdyn | gecko_x2: its testing, you cant expect this to work |
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| 22:12.05 | gecko_x2 | that's not the answer i was looking for :) |
| 22:12.18 | valdyn | gecko_x2: try installing smaller chunks of packages, something like "apt-get install gnome-desktop" will probably work and have a good enough result |
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| 22:13.04 | gecko_x2 | where does tasksel put the packages? because there are 1218 packages somewhere i'd like to remove first |
| 22:13.42 | valdyn | gecko_x2: not first |
| 22:13.45 | Walex | exhibitor: what about explaining what "ipv6 address stops working"? That is not very clear to me either. |
| 22:13.58 | valdyn | gecko_x2: but at some later time, you can just run "apt-get clean" |
| 22:14.03 | gecko_x2 | right |
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| 22:14.20 | exhibitor | Walex, ipv6 network at my machine |
| 22:14.30 | Walex | gecko_x2: apart that this is not the right channel for questions involving the "testing" archive, I would suggest embracing the joy of Aptitude. |
| 22:14.42 | exhibitor | it turns unreachable for input/output |
| 22:14.48 | Walex | exhibitor: that does not mean much... |
| 22:15.07 | gecko_x2 | Walex? |
| 22:15.18 | gecko_x2 | i tried and it failed |
| 22:15.29 | gecko_x2 | https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome is what i'm reading |
| 22:15.42 | valdyn | exhibitor: why cant say why your router has a broken advertising daemon or if you are even using that mechanism or what mechanism you are using or your router is not even debian |
| 22:15.46 | exhibitor | Walex, with other words, I can ping an ipv6 address when the system is just booted, but after some minutes I can't. |
| 22:15.47 | Walex | exhibitor: "unreachable" in which direction? Can you ping IPv6 addresses outside your net? other hosts on ther same net? |
| 22:15.52 | t4nk079 | Can anyone help me change my keyboard, Ihave managed to change my timezone "dpkg-reconfigure tzdatan" is it the same perhaps kb instead of tz ? |
| 22:15.54 | exhibitor | Walex, in both directions |
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| 22:16.24 | exhibitor | as example i use ipv6 address of ipv6.google.com |
| 22:16.59 | Walex | exhibitor: a wild guess would be that your router "forgets" your neighbourhood discovery map. |
| 22:17.14 | exhibitor | so it needs something like radvd? |
| 22:17.16 | crush26 | what is ` for in shell commands? |
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| 22:17.27 | exhibitor | router is debian as well |
| 22:17.36 | Walex | exhibitor: 'radvd' is for allocating dynamic addresses. |
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| 22:18.01 | Walex | exhibitor: "router is debian as well" suggests that you missed something in its configuration... |
| 22:18.11 | valdyn | crush26: `X` is replaced with the output of running X |
| 22:18.31 | Walex | exhibitor: another guy and myself seem to suspect that your setup is more complicated than you are saying. |
| 22:18.32 | crush26 | valdyn: I dont understand what you mean |
| 22:18.34 | valdyn | crush26: and thats the same as $(X) |
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| 22:19.02 | Walex | t4nk079: that's not at all a trivial question. Depends what "change my keyboard" means. |
| 22:19.02 | crush26 | valdyn: what does what you say have to do with the ` symbol? |
| 22:19.08 | exhibitor | your wild guess is about correct, thanks |
| 22:19.10 | valdyn | crush26: i told you |
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| 22:19.30 | Walex | exhibitor: have you tried to 'tracepath6 ipv6.google.com' and 'mtr -t -6 ipv6.google.com'? |
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| 22:19.39 | exhibitor | still no, will try now |
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| 22:20.07 | crush26 | valdyn: oh I think I got it. var=$(ls) is the same as var=`ls`? |
| 22:20.15 | srged | Hi guys. I'd like to grab this mp3 and cant find it elsewhere but here http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Cabaretera+Hi+Tension+Mix/3HEOQc?src=5 |
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| 22:20.17 | valdyn | crush26: yes |
| 22:20.28 | srged | any solution for this? im on debian |
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| 22:20.40 | crush26 | valdyn: ok thanks. Sorry for not understanding initially |
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| 22:21.43 | Walex | srged: that's not very much a #Debian question, but try some of the "media downloader" Firefox extensions. |
| 22:21.48 | t4nk079 | change my keyboard means to uk the " and @ are the wrong way round thanks |
| 22:22.09 | srged | Walex: thx |
| 22:22.36 | Walex | srged: don't get high hopes that you can get throught though. |
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| 22:22.52 | Walex | t4nk079: unfortunately different subsystems use different means to achieve that. |
| 22:23.33 | t4nk079 | I am debian on beaglebone black c |
| 22:23.38 | Walex | t4nk079: for example the console and X Windows use different ways, and each X desktop environment has a slightly different way to change the X keyboard config |
| 22:24.09 | Walex | t4nk079: if you are using X Windows try for example the command line "setxkbmap gb" |
| 22:24.21 | jasonwc | do i have to enter plaintext passwords in the exim4 config or can I use an md5 hashed passwd using md5passwd? |
| 22:25.10 | Walex | jasonwc: depending on what those passwords are for it is a bit of a naive question. |
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| 22:26.05 | marioxcc | hello |
| 22:26.14 | marioxcc | I have uploaded my SSH public key to a server but I can't log in |
| 22:26.35 | t4nk079 | Walex thanks for your answer ! |
| 22:26.38 | crush26 | what does $$ mean in "var=$$?" |
| 22:26.42 | valdyn | jasonwc: password hashes just restrict the options you have for authenticating |
| 22:26.42 | marioxcc | I have put the contents of id_dsa.pub in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 22:26.59 | marioxcc | but the server doesn't accept my key, what's the problem? |
| 22:27.23 | Walex | marioxcc: often it is ownership or permissions of the files under '~/.ssh/' |
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| 22:27.50 | valdyn | marioxcc: use ssh-copy-id, that will do what you want without you having to worry about details |
| 22:27.53 | Walex | marioxcc: anyhow you start with 'ssh -vvvv' and look at the strange messages.... |
| 22:27.55 | jasonwc | Walex, ah, i see what you mean |
| 22:27.56 | jasonwc | nevermind |
| 22:28.50 | csed | I remember the first time I started ssh with -vvvv, my response was basically "oh god what please stop" |
| 22:28.51 | Walex | jasonwc: to be more explicit it depends whether the passwords are for authenticating 'exim' as a client to other servers, or for authenticating clients to 'exim' as a server. |
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| 22:29.18 | Walex | jasonwc: ah you just wrote "see what you mean". :-) |
| 22:29.26 | jasonwc | yeah, it was a stupid question |
| 22:29.31 | jasonwc | i'm quite tired |
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| 22:29.42 | jasonwc | and busy copying over 18 TB of data |
| 22:29.44 | marioxcc | Walex: I have checked onwership, it's only writtable by the owner |
| 22:29.46 | Walex | jasonwc: very understandable, and not stupid, just a bit optimistic. |
| 22:29.48 | jasonwc | ok, exim4 is setup |
| 22:29.56 | jasonwc | Is there way to force a test message? |
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| 22:30.24 | Walex | marioxcc: it is sometimes not just ownership. Can you consult the 'sshd' logs, 'auth.log' on the server |
| 22:30.40 | marioxcc | Walex: I will take a look |
| 22:30.46 | valdyn | jasonwc: see "swaks" |
| 22:30.56 | Walex | jasonwc: there are lots of special test options for 'exim', IIRC 'exim -bt' is a useful one |
| 22:31.15 | Walex | jasonwc: but I may have misunderstood your question. |
| 22:31.20 | exhibitor | Walex, traceroute6 can't reach any address even on the first hop, all hops are * * * (timeout). But when I did ping to router gateway , then did traceroute6 again, it has succeeded. |
| 22:31.27 | jasonwc | i setup exim4 with my GMAIL SMPTP info |
| 22:31.40 | jasonwc | Walex, i just want to send a test message to my gmail account to see if i can receive it |
| 22:31.52 | jasonwc | i had to create an app-specifc password since i use 2 factor auth |
| 22:32.09 | Walex | jasonwc: 'telnet localhost 25' ??? |
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| 22:32.25 | Walex | :-) |
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| 22:32.52 | Walex | exhibitor: then try 'sudo mtr -t -6 ipv6.google.com' |
| 22:32.59 | marioxcc | Walex: what's what I have to look for there? |
| 22:33.13 | Walex | exhibitor: sometimes 'tracepath6' find uncooperative systems... |
| 22:33.33 | Walex | maik: anything SSH related that looks like a failure, with an explanation? |
| 22:33.48 | Walex | marioxcc: anything SSH related that looks like a failure, with an explanation? |
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| 22:34.25 | Walex | exhibitor: note also that I suggested 'tracepath6', not 'traceroute6' |
| 22:34.27 | marioxcc | Walex: no, no really |
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| 22:34.48 | marioxcc | I will partially reinstall the system, I had to reinstall it anyway |
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| 22:36.26 | Walex | exhibitor: anyhow note also that 'traceorute6' can take '-I' option too that might be useful. |
| 22:36.58 | Walex | exhibitor: but the best thing would be to 'tcpdump' the relevant interface on the router. |
| 22:37.02 | marioxcc | I have found -T to be useful with traceroute |
| 22:37.12 | marioxcc | to give more complete results |
| 22:37.22 | marioxcc | and -N 4 or similar to have less parallelization |
| 22:37.53 | Walex | marioxcc: -T uses TCP. it is not more complete, but it also helps in many cases to build an understanding. |
| 22:37.54 | exhibitor | Walex, I'll try it all now, sorry, never heard of tracepath |
| 22:38.45 | marioxcc | Walex: it gives a more complete result in my setting |
| 22:39.01 | marioxcc | I think that ICMP packages get lost more often for me |
| 22:39.30 | Walex | exhibitor: 'tracepath6', 'mtr -6' and various modes (ICMP, UDP, TCP) of 'traceroute6' are all useful in different ways. |
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| 22:40.47 | Walex | exhibitor: the basic thing to determine now is whether you packets get lost before getting to your router or inside or don't get out to your uplink. |
| 22:41.26 | crush26 | is there a benefit to using var=$(command) versus var=`command' |
| 22:41.40 | Walex | crush26: nestable, clearer |
| 22:42.00 | Walex | crush26: note that with "`" the closing one must also be "`" |
| 22:42.16 | jasonwc | cool, i got exim4 working |
| 22:42.48 | exhibitor | got it, i will inform about the result. I just answered because i thought it is something usual that may happen... |
| 22:43.04 | crush26 | Walex: what do you mean as "nestable?" |
| 22:44.03 | Walex | crush26: v="$(echo $(cat /tmp/file) | sort)" for a pointless example |
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| 22:44.56 | Walex | crush26: it is *possible* to nest "`" but extremely awkward. |
| 22:45.08 | crush26 | Walex: so you are saying $() is cleaner and nestable or ``? |
| 22:45.25 | Walex | crush26: guess :-) |
| 22:45.42 | crush26 | Walex: IMO $() looks cleaner |
| 22:45.57 | Walex | crush26: sounds right. |
| 22:46.04 | crush26 | Walex: thanks |
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| 22:49.39 | atari314 | Hello, does anyone know if I can debootstrap a 64bit debian (to further use it as chroot) on a 32bit debian? |
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| 22:55.27 | WormFood | atari314, if you're using a 64-bit kernel, it should work. (you can use a 64-bit kernel, on a 32-bit install of Linux) |
| 22:55.47 | WormFood | however, I don't expect it'd work, if you're using a 32-bit kernel |
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| 22:56.00 | marioxcc | *32-bit install of GNU/Linux |
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| 22:56.26 | WormFood | a 32-bit install can still use a 64-bit kernel, just fine |
| 22:56.39 | marioxcc | yes, but the whole OS is not Linux |
| 22:56.39 | marioxcc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:57.04 | atari314_ | WormFood: tyvm for the info! |
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| 22:58.57 | half | hello, I'd like to set up a headless debian server, but I've never used or downloaded debian before. I'm semi noobish I guess. I use mint mostly it was just easier to get rolling |
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| 22:59.47 | half | I'm going to put it on a hp pavilion a510n |
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| 23:00.48 | marioxcc | half: If you're not experienced, I'd suggest that you get a âheadâ for it |
| 23:00.56 | marioxcc | I'm trying to install Debian in a VPS where I can't do that |
| 23:01.01 | marioxcc | The best I have found is this: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote |
| 23:01.02 | half | marioxcc: I want to learn to do without. |
| 23:01.17 | half | I need to learn the cli better |
| 23:01.29 | marioxcc | half: that's laudable, but I can't help any further, check that link |
| 23:01.43 | marioxcc | and search âdebian remote installâ âdebian headless installâ |
| 23:01.59 | marioxcc | there aren't many results, but apparently there's some support in the installer |
| 23:02.23 | half | I can't install headless via a usb stick? |
| 23:03.08 | somiaj | half: you will have to create a preseed. Unforntally to use the ssh installer you need to answer a few questions with a head before it is truned on. |
| 23:03.10 | marioxcc | half: you can, the problem is that you need a way to interface to the machine |
| 23:03.29 | marioxcc | somiaj: apparently it can be preconfigured, but it's not a well documented feature |
| 23:03.42 | marioxcc | check the link above |
| 23:04.01 | half | somiaj: so I could install with a "head" then remove it somehow or another? |
| 23:04.13 | marioxcc | also, I think that you can hack the initrd of debian installed to do anything that can be done |
| 23:04.19 | somiaj | marioxcc: I thought you would still need a preseed, but yes it would be nice if it was easy to get a hold of a preseed that all it does is set up the ssh installer. |
| 23:04.39 | marioxcc | somiaj: yes, sure |
| 23:04.45 | somiaj | half: correct you can install over ssh. But there are a few questions you have to answer in the installer to set that up. Once that is set up you can do the rest remotly. |
| 23:05.25 | half | Soooooo.....how about what would be the easiest way to install it? |
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| 23:06.17 | somiaj | half: easiest way is put a head on the machine, preform the install then remove the head. |
| 23:06.18 | jmcnaught | half: most of the valuable learning experiences will be after the Debian installation is finished. You can just install with a monitor attached, don't select "desktop environment" in the tasksel screen (but do select "ssh server"), and then after the installation disconnect the monitor and access the machine over SSH |
| 23:06.19 | marioxcc | half: get a head, install a CLI and openssh-server |
| 23:06.24 | marioxcc | then access it from SSH |
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| 23:07.16 | half | so then I suppose the question stands which verison I need... hrmm |
| 23:07.20 | somiaj | half: using a preseed to automate the isntall without a head can be quite complex even for someone familar with the cli, as you have to learn special debian installer only stuff. |
| 23:07.38 | somiaj | half: with a good internet connection grab the most recent 7.7 wheezy netinstall iso |
| 23:07.43 | half | I've been using mint, but mint is mostly GUI oriented |
| 23:07.50 | somiaj | you could get cd1 or dvd1 if you wanted more, but netinstall is enough. |
| 23:08.07 | half | yeah No, i'm def. going to download it |
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| 23:09.03 | jmcnaught | half: Reading the installation manual is also a good idea :) https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 23:09.28 | half | if the processor is AMD Athlon XP (B) 3000+ 2.10 GHz which arch. type do I have? |
| 23:09.42 | somiaj | half: depending on your network hardware (rare with wired, but common with wireless) you may need non-free firmware and the unoffical firmware image can make this easier |
| 23:09.49 | somiaj | half: amd64 would probabaly be what youw ant. |
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| 23:11.44 | sine0 | where can i see a list of all applications that i have apt-get (not deps) |
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| 23:12.39 | somiaj | sine0: something like dpkg -l? |
| 23:12.46 | somiaj | sine0: or aptitude search ~i |
| 23:14.34 | marioxcc | half: here's another link that may help you http://www.sgvulcan.com/installing-debian-using-only-ssh/ |
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| 23:25.20 | tremon | half: I'm not sure the Athlon XP is 64-bit capable. You may need the i386 architecture |
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| 23:32.21 | jasonwc | If I want smartctl to send me alerts of any SMART errors, will this work for /etc/smartd.conf --- "DEVICESCAN -A -m emailaddress" |
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| 23:37.37 | t4nk347 | Walex "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" did it thanks for answering |
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| 23:41.24 | unkmar | I have a several major issues. I have ssh to the machine. The keyboard at the machine is not functional after boot. I get the gui, Can't switch virtual terminals and am overall, dead in the water. |
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| 23:43.35 | unkmar | when I attempted run ps. nothing returns. top does show things working. |
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| 23:43.57 | Brigo | unkmar, may be /proc is not mounted |
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| 23:45.04 | unkmar | Brigo: /proc appears to be mounted. |
| 23:45.22 | Brigo | afaik ps reads /proc. |
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| 23:46.25 | unkmar | Brigo: yep, /proc appears to be there. |
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| 23:47.43 | marioxcc | is there a way to launch a debian installer from a debian machine to which I only have SSH access? |
| 23:47.58 | marioxcc | (note that the debian installer must set up the basic network and make SSH or VNC available) |
| 23:48.05 | unkmar | Okay, the problem appears to be with gdm3 in some way. Somewhere the GUI is hosed. I have virtual terminals now. I killed gdm3 via ssh. |
| 23:48.09 | marioxcc | I have found https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote |
| 23:48.22 | marioxcc | but this seem to require an image |
| 23:48.30 | marioxcc | to be keep in the HD, and hence I wouldn't be able to repartition |
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| 23:50.13 | jasonwc | i installed firestarter using apt-get install firestarter. Per a howto I am looking at, it should be ready to go, but when I start the program it says a proper configuration for firestarter was not found. Please make install. |
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| 23:53.47 | jasonwc | ah, appears to be a known bug |
| 23:53.48 | jasonwc | found a workaround |
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| 23:56.06 | unkmar | I'm not finding any obvious problems in dmesg. |
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