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| 00:07.13 | qwk | Hi, im just wondering if anyone knows if debian works fine with cinnamon |
| 00:07.59 | Blue_Xombie | -----it does qwk. I had it in a VM |
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| 00:08.06 | luminerd | jessie now ships cinnamon |
| 00:08.20 | phy1729 | qwk: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=cinnamon |
| 00:09.13 | phy1729 | so should work with the next release |
| 00:10.04 | qwk | Ah, is jessie debian 8 |
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| 00:10.15 | luminerd | yes |
| 00:10.23 | qwk | it is stable as wheezy ? |
| 00:10.25 | heurist | qwk: not yet. but it will be. |
| 00:10.42 | heurist | qwk: no jessie is testing. only wheezy is stable |
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| 00:10.51 | qwk | aha |
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| 00:11.25 | qwk | I like something in the middle |
| 00:11.28 | heurist | qwk: jessie is going to start going stable in a month. but that can take a few months to complete. |
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| 00:12.11 | heurist | qwk: no, these days sid (unstable) is probably a better choice than jessie. stick with wheezy. |
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| 00:12.19 | qwk | I like when program is up to date or how to say |
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| 00:12.37 | phy1729 | dpkg: freeze |
| 00:12.37 | dpkg | The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Also ask me about <slushy>, <jessie freeze>. |
| 00:12.41 | qwk | but I also like security |
| 00:12.58 | heurist | qwk: up to date means not tested enough. stick with a well tested stale system. |
| 00:13.05 | qwk | isit's like a balancing act |
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| 00:13.24 | heurist | qwk: s/stale/stable/ wow that was Freudian. |
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| 00:14.29 | qwk | but how do I install cinnamon in whezzy is it just apt-get install cinnamon |
| 00:15.07 | qwk | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=111427 |
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| 00:15.36 | heurist | ,v cinnamon |
| 00:15.37 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- jessie: 2.2.16-1; sid: 2.2.16-3 |
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| 00:15.47 | heurist | qwk: there is not cinnamon in wheezy. |
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| 00:16.14 | luminerd | nor the backports |
| 00:16.32 | heurist | qwk: you will have to wait for jessie |
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| 00:17.27 | qwk | https://packages.qa.debian.org/c/cinnamon.html |
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| 00:18.22 | rryoumaa | what is the status of iceweasel for jessie? does everybody use the repo? |
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| 00:19.23 | qwk | which is less safe testing or unstable ? |
| 00:19.32 | heurist | qwk: yes |
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| 00:20.02 | tay | how do I make sure I can get last open applications after the next reboot? I am not using gnome or kde |
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| 00:20.37 | heurist | rryoumaa: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:20.48 | tay | I guess I am wondering if this is a system thing or the desktop manager question |
| 00:21.06 | rryoumaa | was more of a followup on the previous disuccions abuot the freeze but sure |
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| 00:21.11 | qwk | why not debian-jessie ? |
| 00:21.27 | rryoumaa | qwk: because they change |
| 00:21.31 | heurist | ,v iceweasel |
| 00:21.32 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 24.8.1esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 31.1.0esr-1; jessie: 31.1.0esr-1; experimental: 32.0.3-1 |
| 00:21.49 | heurist | rryoumaa: jessie has 31esr |
| 00:21.52 | qwk | +1 |
| 00:22.04 | qwk | these medicines |
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| 00:54.32 | nioeria | Hello. I have getmail on a cron job, and since 2 days ago it doesn't run. If I look at the cron logs, I see: |
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| 00:54.35 | nioeria | Sep 28 17:50:01 localhost kernel: [ 974.763001] traps: getmail[2726] general protection ip:7f3028267a3a sp:7fff792605c8 error:0 in libc-2.19.so[7f30281e6000+19f000] |
| 00:54.45 | nioeria | If I run getmail manually, it works fine. Even if I run the exact command that cron executes... |
| 00:54.50 | nioeria | What is the problem? |
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| 00:55.43 | Brigo | nioeria, with the same user? |
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| 00:56.07 | nioeria | not sure which user cron uses |
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| 00:56.20 | nioeria | probably user crontab.. |
| 00:56.22 | nioeria | hm\ |
| 00:56.35 | Brigo | must to be a diference. Find it :) |
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| 00:57.36 | sodluv | sodluv |
| 00:57.45 | sodluv | !list |
| 00:57.46 | dpkg | sodluv: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 00:58.02 | heurist | nioeria: also maybe ask #debian-next on irc.oftc.net they know more about jessie and what may have broken by updated in the last 2 days. |
| 00:59.27 | sodluv | hey |
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| 01:00.00 | sodluv | !list |
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| 01:00.00 | dpkg | sodluv: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
| 01:03.09 | sodluv | sodluv |
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| 01:03.43 | sodluv | france verified western union account |
| 01:03.48 | sodluv | !list |
| 01:03.48 | dpkg | sodluv: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 01:10.48 | sodluv | fresh credit card |
| 01:10.52 | sodluv | !list |
| 01:10.52 | dpkg | sodluv: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 01:11.24 | kenrestivo | i'm trying to format a usb drive on wheezy... and fdisk, parted, and gparted are all being difficult, creating partion tables that hey then say are unrecognized |
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| 01:11.54 | kenrestivo | so. sdb: unknown partition table |
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| 01:12.53 | heurist | kenrestivo: what is the exact command you are typing? what does file -s /dev/sdb say? |
| 01:13.19 | kenrestivo | hah, good call on file. it says; /dev/sdb: sticky Python script, ASCII text executable, with very long lines, with no line terminators |
| 01:13.22 | kenrestivo | wtf? |
| 01:13.50 | heurist | kenrestivo: agreed. wtf. |
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| 01:14.21 | kenrestivo | the exact commands i've tried are sudo fdisk /dev/sdb ; n RET p RET 1 RET RET RET w |
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| 01:14.55 | stealthii | Hey, I'm having trouble with the default interface of my debian jessie system. |
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| 01:15.00 | stealthii | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/NoVk7Q9M |
| 01:15.13 | kenrestivo | interestingly sudo xxd /dev/sdb | less shows 0000000: 2222 2222 2222 2222 2222 2222 2222 2222 """""""""""""""" |
| 01:15.41 | kenrestivo | heurist: is it a mic check? "2! 2! 2! check 1 2! 2!" |
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| 01:15.45 | stealthii | /etc/resolv.conf keeps getting set to the domain and gateway of the last entry (vlan 6) |
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| 01:16.02 | heurist | kenrestivo: try fdisk and option o |
| 01:16.19 | stealthii | It should be defaulting to eth0, but it seems that as every interface is DHCP, it autosets to the last entry on lease renewal. |
| 01:16.49 | kenrestivo | heurist: did. still got 2's |
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| 01:17.30 | heurist | kenrestivo: maybe your device is broken or not /dev/sdb ? |
| 01:17.47 | kenrestivo | heurist: it's definitely /dev/sdb. but agreed, it could just be a broken device |
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| 01:19.52 | heurist | Stanto: if the last entry is dhcp then dhcp is setting that value. you can tell dhcp to not get those domain values. not sure what the exact command is off-hand |
| 01:20.01 | heurist | stealthii: if the last entry is dhcp then dhcp is setting that value. you can tell dhcp to not get those domain values. not sure what the exact command is off-hand |
| 01:20.05 | heurist | Stanto: woops |
| 01:22.24 | stealthii | heurist: thanks. There's a few workarounds I've sniffed out, but I'd prefer a proper configuration if I can manage it |
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| 01:23.15 | heurist | stealthii: man interfaces may help and man dhclient.conf |
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| 01:36.05 | justanotheruser | Why exactly do I use deb http://http.debian.net/debian squeeze-backports-sloppy main instead of just squeeze-backports |
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| 01:38.07 | heurist | justanotheruser: unless that it rhetorical? you probably don't want to. use squeeze-lts instead |
| 01:38.17 | heurist | !tell justanotheruser -about lts |
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| 01:38.44 | justanotheruser | heurist: not rhetorical |
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| 01:39.13 | heurist | justanotheruser: then I do not know why you use it. but staap iit! (: |
| 01:39.24 | justanotheruser | heurist: umm, not sure why I said squeeze |
| 01:39.38 | heurist | justanotheruser: Am I supposed to know why? |
| 01:39.50 | justanotheruser | heurist: no |
| 01:39.56 | justanotheruser | so deb http://http.debian.net/debian squeeze-backports-sloppy main |
| 01:40.02 | justanotheruser | so deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-backports main |
| 01:40.04 | justanotheruser | I mean |
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| 01:40.11 | justanotheruser | just had that on my clipboard copied wrong |
| 01:40.24 | heurist | justanotheruser: clipboards do that sometimes. |
| 01:40.35 | themill | there is no jessie-backports yet |
| 01:40.48 | justanotheruser | then how should I install a testing package? |
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| 01:41.30 | heurist | !tell justanotheruser -about wheezy-backports |
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| 01:42.05 | justanotheruser | oh, so if I'm on wheezy I want to use wheezy-backports? |
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| 01:42.16 | justanotheruser | and that will give me the testing packages? |
| 01:42.29 | themill | some |
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| 01:43.14 | justanotheruser | hmm |
| 01:43.37 | justanotheruser | how do I check what version it is in the backport? Is there a backport package db? |
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| 01:46.46 | themill | yes |
| 01:47.06 | poorrick | Does anybody know a good keyboard shortcut package with a gui? I'm using openbox, and I can't find one online that isn't part of Gnome. |
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| 01:47.48 | poorrick | Or, alternatively, has anyone had a good experience using the Gnome app for it standalone. |
| 01:48.58 | justanotheruser | themill: is this all? http://backports.debian.org/changes/wheezy-backports.html |
| 01:49.06 | justanotheruser | it doesn't have the new qtcreator :( |
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| 01:49.54 | themill | justanotheruser: If by "all" you mean 5236 binary packages, yes. |
| 01:50.17 | justanotheruser | themill: how do you recommend running a package not on there? |
| 01:50.26 | themill | Be specific |
| 01:50.39 | justanotheruser | qtcreator |
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| 01:51.46 | zophy | ok, can the Linux kernel and GNU OS completely utilize a 2x 6 core cpu motherboard ? |
| 01:53.05 | themill | justanotheruser: The maintainers are actively working on that backport. You could help them perhaps. Failing that, I'd install it inside a jessie chroot managed by schroot |
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| 01:54.58 | blackjack | hello i just wonder, what is gvfsd-http on netstat mean, I always see a close_wait state on it. I wonder what it is all about? |
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| 01:58.02 | Colloguy | I have multiple desktop environments installed -- how do I choose the one that startx starts up? (or: where are the default xinitrc files stored?) |
| 01:58.46 | poorrick | Colloguy: startx listens to .xinitrc in your home directory |
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| 01:59.03 | zophy | here's a brief intro to Linux multi-core scalability --> http://halobates.de/lk09-scalability.pdf |
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| 02:01.58 | justanotheruser | themill: ok thanks |
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| 02:02.38 | Colloguy | nvm, man Xsession seem relevant |
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| 02:07.25 | justanotheruser | themill: why doesn't the debian website use schroot? https://wiki.debian.org/chroot |
| 02:07.41 | justanotheruser | is there some reason I should use it over their tools of choice? |
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| 02:09.29 | heurist | justanotheruser: https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot |
| 02:09.30 | themill | justanotheruser: chroot is a system call. Schroot is just a nice wrapper around chroot to let unpriviliged users call chroot and to manage bind-mounts etc. https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot |
| 02:10.01 | themill | justanotheruser: I'm not sure how you figure that it's not the tool of choice -- most developers use schroot for building their packages and an the entire buildd network is using schroot |
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| 02:10.49 | justanotheruser | themill: just assumed as much since the chroot page on the wiki didn't mention it |
| 02:10.52 | justanotheruser | thanks heurist |
| 02:11.06 | themill | the chroot page talks about chroot, the schroot page talks about schroot... |
| 02:11.20 | justanotheruser | ok |
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| 02:12.05 | blackjack | guys anyone here familiar of the gvfsd-http connections ? |
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| 02:12.17 | justanotheruser | dwight schroot |
| 02:12.21 | blackjack | i dont see some info on debian about this. i wonder what its all about |
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| 02:14.10 | NiLon | bah, I'm trying to use ffmpeg to create .ffm feed but it crashes for invalid pointer, so what I could use to replace ffmpeg to make that .ffm? :/ |
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| 02:16.31 | NiLon | hmm actually avconv seem to work |
| 02:17.01 | zophy | does anyone here have an opinions about which OS best utilizes mutli core multi cpu, large memory computers ? |
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| 02:17.25 | zophy | intel based systems in particular ? |
| 02:17.34 | JohnnyL | stupid question, but can you mod a debian live system and then make it read only? |
| 02:18.06 | justanotheruser | JohnnyL: there are no stupid questions, only stupid people who reply to you without answering the question. |
| 02:18.14 | zophy | you can make the system binaries read only |
| 02:18.56 | zophy | and after configuration you can make the config files read only |
| 02:19.32 | zophy | it's a custom roll your own proposition i think |
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| 02:20.19 | zophy | a "live" system, on a cd is read only by default actually |
| 02:21.06 | JohnnyL | zophy: no i mean usb |
| 02:21.16 | JohnnyL | justanotheruser: ty :) |
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| 02:21.55 | justanotheruser | JohnnyL: I hope you caught the joke too :) |
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| 02:22.08 | JohnnyL | i noticied that the live xfce system doesn't allow you to modify a wireless to a manual configuration. |
| 02:22.36 | JohnnyL | justanotheruser: clever! :) |
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| 02:24.24 | zophy | "live" systems are inherently crippled by the mechanisms that make them possible |
| 02:24.28 | JohnnyL | oh wait, it's just buggy. |
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| 02:25.46 | JohnnyL | how about usb, can you cripple it by making everything read only at all levels? |
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| 02:27.11 | zophy | live systems can provide persistent storage as an option, otherwise they have no persistence |
| 02:27.48 | JohnnyL | zophy: okay, but what I'm trying to ask is can an intruder modify bits to make the usb writable again? |
| 02:29.06 | zophy | yeah, i wish usb sticks had switches to disable writing |
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| 02:29.44 | JohnnyL | zophy: ah ok, bummer. |
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| 02:30.38 | JohnnyL | my dvd is busted and to fix it, it costs 1/3 the price of the laptop. |
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| 02:31.42 | zophy | JohnnyL, steal a laptop from an NSA programmer |
| 02:32.52 | poorrick | Just a tidbit |
| 02:33.14 | poorrick | Everyone should have a Pentium 4 computer, because it makes you appreciate your phone. |
| 02:33.19 | poorrick | That is all |
| 02:33.44 | JohnnyL | whats the root pw for live? |
| 02:34.10 | zophy | i had a dual pentium 3 computer that i pawned and i felt sorry for the pawn shop |
| 02:35.15 | JohnnyL | it's not how big your dick is, it's what you don't do with it that counts most. |
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| 02:36.14 | poorrick | JohnnyL: There should be no root password |
| 02:36.20 | zophy | JohnnyL, heh, good one |
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| 02:37.18 | poorrick | JohnnyL: Oh wait, "sudo passwd root" to get a prompt for root password |
| 02:37.24 | JohnnyL | poorrick: yap. |
| 02:37.26 | poorrick | Why am I googling things for you? |
| 02:37.38 | zophy | i recall 40 line C programs that brought down entire data centers :) |
| 02:37.39 | JohnnyL | poorrick: i wanted to see how slow you were. |
| 02:38.11 | poorrick | JohnnyL: Oh, I'm sorry, do you want to do my ODE homework for me? |
| 02:38.18 | JohnnyL | zophy: try 7 character bash file on an at&t system. |
| 02:38.32 | zophy | i believe |
| 02:38.45 | JohnnyL | hint: it's recursive. |
| 02:39.07 | JohnnyL | next hint: each one also runs in the background. |
| 02:39.47 | zophy | is that like the shell bomb or whatever it was called ? |
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| 02:40.00 | zophy | fork bomb |
| 02:40.05 | zophy | heh |
| 02:40.38 | JohnnyL | my ubuntu system got hacked and all i have is these polka dot ties and "The Dude" tee shirts to show for it. |
| 02:41.07 | JohnnyL | it was nice too, all set up for audio recording. lost many hours of work. now I am on a mission. hopefully for the last time. |
| 02:41.44 | JohnnyL | zophy: yeah, in an age before the internet. |
| 02:42.52 | JohnnyL | i had a crazy dream thinking usb isos weren't rewritable. where in the hell did i get this idea? |
| 02:43.01 | zophy | i work at McDonalds because my employer was fork bombed |
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| 02:43.38 | JohnnyL | zophy: better than making bombs killing little children abroad. |
| 02:43.50 | udevd | :(){:|:&};: # IIRC |
| 02:43.58 | zophy | those flat little memory modules had write disable switches |
| 02:44.11 | zophy | what are they called ? |
| 02:44.20 | themill | udevd: don't do that... |
| 02:44.33 | themill | zophy: Perhaps you were looking for #defocus... |
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| 02:45.20 | zophy | themattbeballin, no, we are talking about "live" system capabilities and weaknesses |
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| 02:45.36 | zophy | themill, , no, we are talking about "live" system capabilities and weaknesses |
| 02:46.08 | zophy | i switched to ksh for now |
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| 02:46.50 | zophy | maybe i am defocused... |
| 02:47.59 | JohnnyL | zophy: no, just using a language that has many little holes in it. status of things is an endless pit of dispair. it only means that it means what i means and nothing of the human heart. |
| 02:48.07 | zophy | i feel compelled to execute udevd code |
| 02:48.22 | JohnnyL | anyway, i'm out. bye bye. |
| 02:48.48 | zophy | udevd, what does that code do ? |
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| 02:50.17 | udevd | zophy: starts a fork bomb |
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| 02:50.28 | udevd | it is a definition of function ':' |
| 02:50.42 | udevd | and when you call this function, it spawns two copies of itself |
| 02:51.03 | udevd | at the end of the code, definition is separated with ; from execution :P |
| 02:51.08 | poorrick | udevd: nifty |
| 02:51.20 | blackjack | guys is it common for the connection gvfsd-http to stay on closed_wait for a long period of time? And is there a way to track what processed did this? |
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| 02:51.47 | zophy | udevd, omg, it's evil |
| 02:52.08 | zophy | udevd, omg, it's Cult of the DeaD cOW |
| 02:52.35 | udevd | wut |
| 02:52.35 | udevd | wat |
| 02:52.41 | udevd | ,_, |
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| 02:54.45 | blackjack | i heard this gvfsd-http connection bug is very common on ubuntu distro, But does it also exist on debian as well? |
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| 03:10.31 | Cloudka82 | So i'm currently trying to install openvpn server on my VPS which is running debian 7. Everything is going fine except when i attempt to generate the RSA files, i get "permission denied" when issuing the command: './vars' which is strange considering i'm running as root. |
| 03:10.52 | Cloudka82 | any ideas? :O |
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| 03:11.25 | themill | are you sure you're supposed to run that command and not source the file? |
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| 03:12.10 | Cloudka82 | honestly, I'm just following the an article on setting up openvpn. './vars, ./clean-all, ./build-ca |
| 03:12.48 | themill | sure it's not ". vars"? |
| 03:12.50 | Cloudka82 | plus I'm pretty sure they're just scripts that build the rsa keys. Sorry i'm a slight rookie here XD |
| 03:13.40 | Cloudka82 | themill: I'll try . vars, but the guide explicitly say's ./vars |
| 03:13.58 | themill | the guide would be wrong then... openvpn's own documentation is quite good... |
| 03:14.11 | Cloudka82 | hrm. I should have probably checked that XD |
| 03:14.34 | Cloudka82 | also this guide is for debian 6, not 7. not sure if that makes too much of a difference |
| 03:14.42 | themill | not for that step |
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| 03:15.59 | heurist | Cloudka82: have you looked at /usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples/easy-rsa/2.0/README.gz is says . vars |
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| 03:16.10 | Cloudka82 | O |
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| 03:16.20 | Cloudka82 | I'll check right now heurist |
| 03:16.29 | Cloudka82 | Thank you btw guys <3 |
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| 03:17.46 | heurist | Cloudka82: I find it a good idea to check the debian docs as well as any guides, just to see if debian has done something special. but in this case your guide is just wrong. I remember from years ago that it is . vars (: |
| 03:18.37 | themill | (". vars" is a pretty crappy way of doing configuration, but then again, this is openssl...) |
| 03:18.47 | heurist | Cloudka82: it is worth looking at README.Debian.gz for any package to see what debian specific stuff there might be. |
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| 03:19.23 | heurist | themill: agreed, it is a horrible construct they have there. but they are trying to make a CA that noobs can use. |
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| 03:21.53 | udevd | lel |
| 03:22.17 | udevd | I ran Mathemathica notebook without initialization and it didn't complain |
| 03:22.21 | Cloudka82 | sorry was afk. Yeah I've only been doing this stuff for roughly 6 months. I'm 17 and live with my parents ;) |
| 03:22.24 | udevd | but gave weird result xD |
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| 03:22.28 | Cloudka82 | but it's awesome |
| 03:22.40 | Cloudka82 | linux is amazing, screw microsoft! |
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| 03:24.53 | poorrick | Cloudka82: Yeesh. You won't get very far with that attitude |
| 03:25.36 | heurist | Cloudka82: cool. note that easy-rsa is only the CA that openvpn have bundled with their package, you can use another CA solution like xca or anything that manages openssl certs instead. (just to add more confusion to your situation:) |
| 03:26.04 | poorrick | should be linux is amazing, screw unstable, closed source operating systems with an irresponsible user/admin split |
| 03:26.44 | Cloudka82 | ;O I would just need to copy and paste that information into openvpn's main directory like I did with easy-rsa's stuff right? |
| 03:27.43 | heurist | Cloudka82: easy-rsa just makes the certs. if you use a different tool to make and manage the certs you would do everything else the same. |
| 03:28.20 | Cloudka82 | Ah gotcha, I'll check out xca |
| 03:28.30 | Cloudka82 | thanks :) |
| 03:28.39 | poorrick | or maybe debian is amazing, etc, etc |
| 03:28.42 | heurist | Cloudka82: maybe get things working first. |
| 03:30.52 | heurist | Cloudka82: I was also not actually *recommending* xca, it was just the one I could remember. there may be other options that are better. xca was ok though. check them all out. |
| 03:31.22 | Cloudka82 | Ah okay, I get what you're saying now, that easy-rsa is just a ca builder included with openvpn, but there are various types :P |
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| 03:31.56 | heurist | Cloudka82: yep, freedom to choose is one of the freedoms you get from free software. |
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| 03:32.41 | Cloudka82 | I see haha also I have another question |
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| 03:32.44 | poorrick | heurist: You should be in a Debian tv commercian |
| 03:32.47 | Cloudka82 | not so relevant |
| 03:32.49 | poorrick | commercial* |
| 03:33.10 | heurist | said nothing about debian |
| 03:33.28 | Cloudka82 | So i'm using debian 7. With that being said, you can have a program running but not see the service? |
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| 03:33.36 | Cloudka82 | can you* |
| 03:33.53 | poorrick | : |
| 03:34.04 | Cloudka82 | Keep in mind, when uninstalling something, I'm used to going into add/remove programs in windows lmao |
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| 03:34.25 | heurist | Cloudka82: there are many layers to that. be more specific about what you are asking. |
| 03:35.01 | heurist | Cloudka82: your package manager is essentially add/remove done the right way. |
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| 03:35.47 | Cloudka82 | So, so I install for example pptpd, if i remove the service which is listed when running the command 'ls /etc/init.d/' does it remove the actual program? Or just stop the service from running? |
| 03:35.55 | Cloudka82 | say i install* |
| 03:36.15 | heurist | Cloudka82: neither |
| 03:36.52 | Cloudka82 | So I'll need to start using a package manage to properly start managing software? |
| 03:37.24 | Cloudka82 | Any recommendations for debian 7 non-gui? |
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| 03:38.48 | poorrick | Cloudka82: If I'm parsing that correctly, only if you're running a server. Then definitely. |
| 03:38.56 | heurist | Cloudka82: first, don't delete files from /etc/init.d/ it is actually the links to them in /etc/rc[2345]/ that are run. rather do update-rc.d pptpd disable, to make a service not run on boot and service stop pptpd to stop it. |
| 03:39.09 | rwp | Cloudka82, The easy answer if if you want a service running then install it. If you don't want it running then remove it. Normally that is the standard operating procedure. |
| 03:39.50 | rwp | Cloudka82, If you want something installed but not running for some odd strange reason then I suggest installing "chkconfig" to manage those start links. |
| 03:39.59 | Cloudka82 | poorrick: Yeah I'm only running server |
| 03:40.13 | rwp | Cloudka82, Since chkconfig is the same on both Debian and others such as Red Hat. Positive transfer of learning then. |
| 03:40.17 | heurist | Cloudka82: it is probably service pptpd stop not the way I said it. |
| 03:41.02 | Cloudka82 | heurist: i believe it's /etc/init.d/{servicename} stop |
| 03:41.05 | Cloudka82 | hehe i'm a good note taker |
| 03:41.17 | Cloudka82 | for my particular distro |
| 03:41.42 | heurist | Cloudka82: that is what I use, which is why the memory is fuzzy. but service it (apparently) a better choice. see man service |
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| 03:41.55 | poorrick | Cloudka82: I haven't needed a gui on mine yet |
| 03:42.30 | Cloudka82 | rwp: Thank you for making that clear btw |
| 03:42.45 | Cloudka82 | poorrick: do you recommand any particular package manager? |
| 03:42.55 | heurist | Cloudka82: aptitude |
| 03:43.05 | poorrick | Cloudka82: Yeah, just use aptitude |
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| 03:43.32 | Cloudka82 | greping is a method of searching right? I should be able to grep|apptitude? |
| 03:43.32 | Cloudka82 | :P |
| 03:43.39 | Cloudka82 | I might already have it installed, hehe |
| 03:44.04 | poorrick | Cloudka82: It comes with Debian |
| 03:44.15 | heurist | Cloudka82: you will probably want to have a passing knowledge of both aptitude and apt-get, with a bit of dpkg* thrown in too. |
| 03:44.18 | Cloudka82 | perfect, thank you |
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| 03:44.46 | Cloudka82 | interesting apt-get is an extension of aptitude? |
| 03:44.59 | Cloudka82 | I guess i never put 2 and 2 together hahaha |
| 03:44.59 | poorrick | Yeah, for searching packages you have it would be 'dpkg -l | grep -i {insert thing here}' |
| 03:45.23 | heurist | Cloudka82: no, they are both "extensions" of dpkg they do much the same thing. |
| 03:45.28 | Cloudka82 | poorrick: I'll write that down ;) |
| 03:45.37 | Cloudka82 | heurist: ah okay |
| 03:45.56 | poorrick | heurist: Actually, what's the difference between the two? |
| 03:46.01 | heurist | Cloudka82: try the bit before the | and see what it does. the grep then just limits what you end up seeing. |
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| 03:46.24 | poorrick | I just gleaned that aptitude sometimes doesn't prompt for installs |
| 03:46.56 | heurist | poorrick: aptitude is newer, and has a gui. apt-get is still good, but new people have a hard time remembering when it is apt-get vs apt-cache and such. |
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| 03:47.20 | heurist | poorrick: aptitude should prompt you. |
| 03:47.42 | poorrick | what's the command for invoking the gui? |
| 03:48.00 | poorrick | heurist: I think when it's one package it just goes for it |
| 03:48.07 | heurist | poorrick: startx |
| 03:48.45 | poorrick | heurist: sorry, I wasn't precise. The gui of aptitude. Wasn't aware it had one |
| 03:48.56 | heurist | poorrick: that is not good behaviour. must test and report a bug if it is. principal of least surprise. |
| 03:49.20 | heurist | poorrick: just aptitude |
| 03:49.41 | poorrick | holy crap |
| 03:49.59 | heurist | poorrick: you just made my day. lol |
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| 03:51.03 | poorrick | heurist: I've been using Debian exclusively for like 2 and a half years and I didn't know aptitude had a gui. |
| 03:51.33 | poorrick | humph, well thanks |
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| 03:52.41 | Cloudka82 | heurist: haha I see where you were talking about in the readme |
| 03:52.42 | Cloudka82 | http://puu.sh/bUSqC/0a01107cfb.png |
| 03:52.55 | heurist | poorrick: note the leaving the aptitude gui open will give you lock-file warning when you run a second copy for a search or something. |
| 03:53.31 | heurist | Cloudka82: yeah, that is what the guild should have said. it has always been like that. |
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| 03:54.09 | poorrick | heurist: Well this makes my statement about not being prompted a little different because I always use aptitude as a command. |
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| 03:54.57 | heurist | poorrick: I meant aptitude install one-package as well. I expect it to always prompt. |
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| 03:56.55 | Cloudka82 | brb guys, I'm continuing the path of installation now that I was able to get past . vars |
| 03:56.55 | Cloudka82 | <3 |
| 03:57.04 | poorrick | heurist: it occurs to me by your syntax that I was, again, not so precise. Sorry. It's when I'm installing one package and there are no dependencies so that, if it were prompting, I would be prompted to install one package. |
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| 03:57.28 | poorrick | If there's even one dependency that comes with it, it prompts |
| 03:57.52 | poorrick | Which makes sense, I guess. No use prompting you if you'd get exactly what you just asked for. |
| 03:58.01 | heurist | poorrick: that is what i want yes. always prompt me so I always know how much is going to install. even if it is just the one thing I listed. |
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| 03:59.08 | poorrick | well there would probably be space issues, I guess |
| 03:59.27 | poorrick | has a massive root partition |
| 03:59.29 | heurist | poorrick: I do not like things that change their behaviour with not way of my predicting. just because I have not installed all the deps does not mean the program should do a different thing. (or maybe it does.) |
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| 04:00.32 | poorrick | heurist: Well, like I said, it's the only difference I could catch between aptitude and apt-get. So if you like that kind of stuff, use apt-get. |
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| 04:00.51 | Rusty1 | aptitude will warn , and list and prompt if dependencies will be installed, a stand alone package install will not |
| 04:01.13 | heurist | poorrick: if I say aptitude install foo today and it prompts, but tomorrow someone has installed everything that foo needs, I still it expect it to do that same thing as yesterday. |
| 04:01.39 | Rusty1 | to see what will happen, apt-get -s install <package> might be a better choice |
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| 04:01.46 | heurist | Rusty1: poorrick said so. I am saying that is bad behaviour. but I might be wrong. nevermind. |
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| 04:58.59 | stylesen | getting the following error from today morning "Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages" - can anyone help me to solve this? |
| 05:00.07 | themill | use a different mirror -- picking a mirror that is close to you or using the http.debian.net redirector is usually best |
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| 05:01.54 | heurist | stylesen: I am seeing that same error today. just wait for it to go away works too. |
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| 05:03.47 | stylesen | themill: I tried almost 5 mirrors now - problem is those links gives a 404 - may be the mirrors are in between updates? |
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| 05:04.12 | heurist | stylesen: it is working again for me, was only broken for about half an hour here. |
| 05:04.23 | stylesen | heurist: let me try now |
| 05:04.46 | themill | there is no "ftp.us.debian.org" btw |
| 05:05.12 | stylesen | themill: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/source/ ? |
| 05:05.33 | stylesen | heurist: not yet for me |
| 05:05.34 | themill | that is one of 5 or 6 different mirrors and you'll get a different one each time you do anything |
| 05:05.34 | heurist | stylesen: though mine is stable, so maybe unstable is still syncing. |
| 05:05.54 | themill | There's no point in talking about whether ftp.us.d.o is broken or working. |
| 05:06.47 | stylesen | themill: let me try with mirror.kernel.org |
| 05:06.55 | stylesen | heurist: could be |
| 05:07.01 | themill | or you could try with http.debian.net |
| 05:08.37 | xmetal | well i just got here and as far as mirrors go this may not help but you could try http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 05:08.49 | xmetal | generates debian source.list entries |
| 05:08.59 | themill | no, it generates utter crap. Please don't use that site |
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| 05:18.02 | Disconsented | Whats the driver support like for AMD cards (280x/7970) these days? |
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| 05:45.34 | bojangles | is it possible to install debian onto a machine via terminal? |
| 05:46.45 | heurist | bojangles: debian install is all via terminal. if by that you mean text based. you can also install using serial or ssh, but that is a bit more complicated. |
| 05:47.13 | bojangles | heurist: do you have a easy to follow guide for installation handy? |
| 05:47.50 | heurist | !tell bojangles -about install |
| 05:48.01 | heurist | bojangles: see the message the bot sent you. |
| 05:48.07 | bojangles | cool cool thanks! |
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| 05:48.29 | cafuego | You can always reinstall if you're not happy with your first attempt. |
| 05:49.20 | heurist | bojangles: yes, install is quick and easy. as cafuego says try it a few times till you like it. |
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| 05:49.50 | bojangles | I've had some experience with it at college and really like it (alot more than ubuntu) |
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| 05:49.57 | bojangles | which i'm currently running on this computer |
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| 06:29.50 | sweb | is there any simple package or application for run and trigger gui functionlity for other application ... open application > type somthing in some box > click send |
| 06:30.03 | sweb | i need to write macro for gui applications |
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| 06:53.21 | jolt | sweb: there is some expect-like thing for GUIs, maybe google for that. I don't remember the name |
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| 06:56.35 | jolt | Can't even find it myself |
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| 07:14.41 | sweb | jolt: what's name of these use case ? GUI macro ? |
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| 07:18.50 | Savemech | Hi there! Guys i have that /usr/bin/mail, how can i configure it to send messages? some manuals? how to set to use other smtp? |
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| 07:22.05 | anddam | root@debian:~# aptitude install x11-server-utils |
| 07:22.08 | anddam | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "x11-server-utils" |
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| 07:22.22 | anddam | yet I see the package in https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/x11-xserver-utils and I'm on wheezy i386 |
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| 07:22.28 | jolt | Savemech: if it's a default install, then do dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 07:22.30 | anddam | why am I getting that output? |
| 07:23.11 | jolt | anddam: do "aptitude update" first and see if it tries to update the repo list via internet |
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| 07:23.33 | jolt | sweb: Asking a collegue who has done stuff like that, but he haven't answered yet |
| 07:23.38 | acemi | anddam: x11-server-utils > x11-xserver-utils |
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| 07:24.12 | jolt | acemi: well spotted :) |
| 07:24.21 | acemi | :) |
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| 07:27.24 | anddam | acemi: wow, thanks |
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| 07:27.37 | acemi | anddam: np |
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| 07:27.54 | anddam | I'm having a single last issue, I'm a vbox guest and display resize isn't working correctly |
| 07:28.09 | anddam | the guest additions are installed, and all other services (clipboard, seamlessâ¦) are working |
| 07:28.16 | anddam | the display resize isn't |
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| 07:29.25 | anddam | after some good time spent in #vbox I was left with "(EE) AIGLX error: vboxvideo does not export required DRI extension" and I was told that this is a system configuration issue, not on vbox side |
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| 07:30.25 | anddam | I'm pretty lost about that, from what I see the vboxvideo is missing some extension (symbols?) but why? Should a library from another package provide it? |
| 07:30.41 | anddam | actually I'm not even sure that's the issue with the lack of display resize support |
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| 07:31.24 | anddam | this is full Xorg log https://gist.github.com/anddam/cf0329a23a1fb75ebaf2 |
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| 07:34.30 | anddam | any hint? |
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| 07:34.41 | anddam | I don't know if I need a xorg.conf file or what |
| 07:34.50 | anddam | and if so for setting what |
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| 07:36.12 | anddam | ok, un believable |
| 07:36.15 | anddam | the display is now resizing |
| 07:36.18 | anddam | ⦠|
| 07:36.30 | anddam | even the bugs are not reliable anymore |
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| 07:48.24 | namoamitabuddha | How to backport wine in Debian Wheezy? |
| 07:48.42 | namoamitabuddha | I've tried debuild, but it only produces wine64. |
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| 07:55.48 | alexandernst_ | when is Jessie supposed to be released (if known) ? |
| 07:55.57 | alexandernst_ | (as a stable release, that is) |
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| 07:56.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell alexandernst_ -about wwjr |
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| 08:03.28 | blackjack | whats with the new rsyslog update |
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| 08:05.20 | TomyWork | I'm installing a package via vagrant (allocates no tty, which i think matters), puppet, apt and ultimately dpkg and debconf. debconf freezes up at this point: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debconf/debconf.git/tree/Debconf/ConfModule.pm?id=1.5.49#n172 |
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| 08:07.38 | TomyWork | It works from a regular command prompt and it works with other packages. Maybe the package is at fault, maybe not. I can probably fix the package once I know what's wrong. |
| 08:07.43 | thalos | blackjack: Vulnerability found in remote logging (under certain conditions) in rsyslog https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2014/msg00228.html |
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| 08:08.36 | bipul | !info balsamiq |
| 08:08.46 | blackjack | thanks thalos |
| 08:08.59 | thalos | np |
| 08:13.35 | bipul | Hello , How should i know which packages are listed in debian repository.? |
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| 08:15.51 | jelly-home | bipul: are you searching for packages for a specific software, or want a list? |
| 08:16.23 | blackjack | aptitude is one that i know that will show you a list |
| 08:16.25 | jelly-home | bipul: in any case, visit http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 08:17.09 | bipul | jelly-home: I am afraid the one which i am looking for is not listed in debian packages |
| 08:17.13 | blackjack | or synaptic package manager rather |
| 08:17.29 | jelly-home | bipul: then it's not there. |
| 08:17.41 | bipul | yes it's not there |
| 08:17.48 | blackjack | what package is it? |
| 08:17.52 | bipul | Be right back |
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| 08:26.02 | Disconsented | Whats the driver support like for AMD cards (280x/7970) these days? |
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| 08:41.10 | TomyWork | I'm installing a package via vagrant (which allocates no tty), puppet, apt and ultimately dpkg and debconf, freezes up at this line: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debconf/debconf.git/tree/Debconf/ConfModule.pm?id=1.5.49#n172 |
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| 08:42.32 | TomyWork | Other packages install fine and this package installs fine from the command prompt (where there is a TTY). The package may be at fault, since it was never tested with wheezy so far. I can probably fix the package once I know what's wrong, but currently I have no idea. |
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| 08:46.37 | crecca | how do I install qingy on debian jessie? I've installed from repository, edited inittab, but doesn't seem to work. |
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| 08:47.30 | crecca | fyi qingy is a login manager, replacement for agetty |
| 08:47.34 | Svetlana | help please, i updated from debian to debian-testing and it automatically installed systemd, i didn't have it before, i'd like to remove it |
| 08:47.55 | acemi | crecca: does inittab work on Jessie? it has systemd |
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| 08:48.39 | crecca | acemi: yeah, well it doesn't :] but I do have inittab so I thought I might just as well try |
| 08:48.50 | crecca | acemi: so I need unit file for qingy? |
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| 08:49.50 | acemi | crecca: maybe it's related with /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants |
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| 08:51.01 | crecca | acemi: yeah yeah |
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| 08:51.19 | crecca | acemi: there is a file getty@tty1.service with a line `execStart=-/sbin/agetty' |
| 08:51.39 | crecca | acemi: I wonder if I could just change that to qingy and everything would work... |
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| 08:52.38 | crecca | acemi: but I doubt it, the file looks complicated |
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| 08:53.04 | acemi | crecca: systemd is complicated for me too |
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| 08:54.46 | ChrisH | What is the relationship between 636119 broadcom-sta-source: Channels 12 and 13 not working and brcmsmac module? My weird WLAN issue from yesterday shows up as the missing WLAN was on Channel 12. |
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| 08:55.55 | namoamitabuddha | How to install wine1.6 under Debian Wheezy? |
| 08:56.30 | ChrisH | brcmsmac is mentioned as w/a in that bug, but it seems it has the same issue and I found no bug on brcmsmac |
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| 09:01.51 | rgr|android | you're far more likely to get help with that using Google and looking for the chipset name since its so hw specific. |
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| 09:04.32 | rgr|android | http://pof.eslack.org/2012/05/23/why-broadcom-80211-linux-sta-driver-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it/ |
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| 09:04.34 | Mandy23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.54 | rgr|android | mentions channel 12 and 13. might be relevant. |
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| 09:09.52 | acemi | twww.reddit.com |
| 09:09.56 | acemi | sorry |
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| 09:10.50 | metala | vimperator? |
| 09:10.58 | acemi | pentadactyl |
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| 09:11.04 | metala | :D :) |
| 09:11.05 | ChrisH | rgr|android: thanks... I tried iw reg set DE and it show the correct allowed frequencies, but still does not use them... So I will open a bug report with refernce to that. |
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| 09:12.15 | ChrisH | But against what do I need to file a bug? |
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| 09:13.25 | Yuuuuu | Hello, I have problem with upgrading libssl. I just get "subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 128" thanks for any help on this |
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| 09:15.21 | jelly | Yuuuuu: put the command and the complete output into a pastebin (http://paste.debian.net), please |
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| 09:16.38 | Yuuuuu | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/123937/ |
| 09:18.12 | jelly | Yuuuuu: latest version is 1.0.1e-2+deb7u11, do you have security repos enabled? |
| 09:18.27 | jelly | er, 12 |
| 09:18.52 | jelly | the debug output confused me. |
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| 09:22.06 | jelly | Yuuuuu: exit status 128 doesn't make too much sense, 128 and above denotes the process'd been killed by a signal but 128 would mean it was signal 0 |
| 09:22.23 | jelly | (there is no signal 0) |
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| 09:26.30 | mimoo | hey guys! |
| 09:26.37 | mimoo | is it worth it to update my debian squeeze to weezy? |
| 09:26.44 | metala | jelly: what does db_version 2.0 in postinst do? |
| 09:26.57 | mimoo | I just noticed there was a new debian version when I tried to find a patch for shellshock |
| 09:27.25 | jelly | metala: it's a debconf thing, dunno what exactly that implies |
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| 09:28.46 | jelly | mimoo: squeeze is old and only has partial security support via squeeze-lts effort. |
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| 09:29.14 | mimoo | thx jelly, i guess i should ugprade |
| 09:29.25 | metala | jelly: about Yuuuuu's problem, it seems that the script dies on that line, because after it there is an echo that is not in the log |
| 09:29.27 | jelly | mimoo: if you can, definitely do that. |
| 09:30.26 | jelly | metala: what echo? |
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| 09:31.31 | metala | i cannot paste the postint script in debian.org, cause my host is blacklisted |
| 09:31.38 | jelly | metala: first thing that might get echoed out is echo -n "Checking for services that may need to be restarted...", and that happens |
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| 09:32.29 | metala | jelly: http://pastie.org/9609746 |
| 09:33.13 | jelly | oh, right |
| 09:33.34 | metala | i extracted the postinst from libssl1.0.0_1.0.1e-2+deb7u12_amd64.deb |
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| 09:34.37 | jelly | Yuuuuu: try this, edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/libssl1.0.0:amd64.postinst, put "db_version 2.0" on line 4 right after ". /usr/share/debconf/confmodule", and comment it out in line 134 |
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| 09:34.56 | jelly | Yuuuuu: then redo the dpkg --configure libssl1.0.0 |
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| 09:37.56 | Burps | Hi : I have trouble running a script in cron that runs fine manually, I guess it's an env issue, but I can't debug it : in my user's crontab I have "/home/bar/foo.sh &>>/tmp/foo.log" to log everything, and the foo.sh starts with "#!/bin/bash -x" : the foo.log is empty : any idea ?? |
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| 09:38.32 | Burps | details : the foo.log is created at runtime, but empty |
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| 09:41.53 | Twinkletoes | I'm currently using "ConfigServer Security & Firewall" which has a webmin module. However, it's not working very well on my Debian box. Is there anything else to use which allows iptables config and login failures, including temporary, permanent and country blocking? |
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| 09:44.06 | Yuuuuu | jelly: metala http://paste.debian.net/123943/ i changed restart-without-asking to value true and added libssl1.0.0:amd64 on the list |
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| 09:46.24 | rwp | Burps, Try something extremely simple. Don't do the redirect in the crontab. Do it in the very simple script. See if that works. If so then expand from there. |
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| 09:50.30 | metala | Yuuuuu: just to make the install finish, without restarting the services, i thin you can change line 156 |
| 09:50.42 | metala | from if [ -n "$services" ]; then, to if [ false ]; then |
| 09:51.05 | metala | and then you should manually restart the affected services |
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| 09:51.16 | metala | but I dont really know there the issue is |
| 09:51.38 | metala | i'm not familiar with debconf and db_* |
| 09:51.45 | Yuuuuu | metala: okey thanks, I'll try that |
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| 09:53.26 | jelly | I'd just put an exit 0 at the beginning, let the thing configure, and schedule a reboot |
| 09:54.18 | jelly | mixing debconf and echo to stdout is not a sign of good packaging |
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| 09:54.42 | Yuuuuu | jelly: hmm sounds reasonable, I try that since it didn't work with if [ false ] either :o |
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| 09:58.08 | jelly | Yuuuuu: this probably deserves a bug report for Debian |
| 09:58.18 | Yuuuuu | jelly: It seems to have worked out good, thanks, I'm sheduling a reboot manually instead now |
| 09:58.43 | Yuuuuu | jelly: guide me, where can I do this? |
| 09:58.49 | jelly | !reportbug |
| 09:58.49 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 09:59.13 | Yuuuuu | jelly: thanks |
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| 10:03.44 | anddam | how can I get a list of the packages installed with tasksel "Debian desktop environment" |
| 10:04.39 | bipul | How long i need to wait to joine the team? https://launchpad.net/~debiandevelopers |
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| 10:06.26 | bipul | :-O |
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| 10:09.20 | jelly | bipul: what work have you done for Debian so far? Are you already a https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer ? |
| 10:10.06 | bipul | jelly: I like to joine for learning and development. |
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| 10:10.47 | jelly | bipul: that launchpad group is explicitely only for the people who are already Debian Developers |
| 10:11.01 | bipul | jelly: Oh ok. |
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| 10:17.18 | anddam | jelly: is using tasksel the same as picking one of the task-* package? |
| 10:17.23 | anddam | packages* |
| 10:17.44 | jelly | anddam: I believe it is, but have not checked the code. |
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| 10:18.21 | anddam | I'm at installer prompt, I only have access to one entry for "Debian desktop environment" in ncurses interface |
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| 10:18.49 | anddam | but I see https://packages.debian.org/sid/task-desktop offers several alternatives to task-gnome-desktop |
| 10:19.01 | anddam | can I select one of those at this stage of installing? |
| 10:19.18 | namoamitabuddha | Anybody familiar with multiarch package-building? |
| 10:19.19 | anddam | otherwise I'll just skip it and install the one I want later manually |
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| 10:21.41 | anddam | jelly: mmm maybe I'm wrong, the task-*-desktop are just recommended, the dependency is on desktop-base that in turn suggests gnome |
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| 10:22.25 | jelly | anddam: oh, there are boot options for the installer if you're there |
| 10:22.27 | jelly | eg. |
| 10:22.30 | jelly | !install xfce |
| 10:22.31 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies» To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install". |
| 10:22.52 | anddam | oh I see |
| 10:23.01 | anddam | actually I wanted to install a pretty minimal system |
| 10:23.13 | anddam | openbox and something to set a background in xorg |
| 10:23.16 | anddam | like feh |
| 10:23.20 | anddam | this is a netinstall |
| 10:23.30 | jelly | then avoid installing any desktop at this point |
| 10:23.42 | jelly | install xorg and openbox later |
| 10:24.14 | jelly | and maybe something like slim for login manager, if you don't like doing startx |
| 10:24.21 | anddam | done already thanks |
| 10:24.50 | anddam | I was looking to see if a metapackage for that purpose existed already |
| 10:25.24 | jelly | there's the xorg one, but not an openbox+some small dm that I know of |
| 10:25.28 | jelly | !install x |
| 10:25.31 | dpkg | To install X in Debian: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
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| 10:26.07 | anddam | thanks |
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| 10:26.52 | anddam | woa, a complete netinstall with no tasksel packages still takes 1.5 GB |
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| 10:27.59 | anddam | oh, more like 900 MB, I was looking at the vbox virtual disk image |
| 10:28.04 | anddam | will compact that later |
| 10:29.16 | jelly | anddam: that's too much, you probably installed at least the standard task |
| 10:29.33 | anddam | jelly nope |
| 10:29.38 | anddam | just ssh server |
| 10:29.47 | jelly | base install is something like ~500MB or less |
| 10:29.49 | anddam | in tasksel menu at least |
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| 10:30.11 | jelly | that probably pulled in extra crap as well |
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| 10:36.21 | malmelmil | Hello, I am on debian wheezy and was wondering if there is a desktop facebook CHAT client that the community favors. Thank you |
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| 10:36.56 | anddam | I always stumble in this on a new system vim: command not found |
| 10:37.19 | anddam | I have to say if there was a debian fork with the only difference of vim being default editor, I'd take it |
| 10:37.46 | anddam | wait, is there an installer boot option for that? |
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| 10:38.51 | ToApolytoXaos | guys, i don't know what happened, but i can't print anymore after i run the latest updates on my testing 64-bit machine. i checked cups and shows "completed" but no page is printed. is there anything i should check? cheers |
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| 10:39.11 | ToApolytoXaos | i'm using fluxbox for my desktop environment |
| 10:39.24 | petn-randall | ToApolytoXaos: Try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, where jessie/sid are supported. |
| 10:39.32 | ToApolytoXaos | ok thanks |
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| 10:43.53 | acemi | anddam: vim.tiny is installed by default |
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| 10:44.28 | anddam | acemi: ouch |
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| 10:44.47 | anddam | acemi: then if there were a fork in which vim.tiny is the default alternative⦠|
| 10:44.49 | anddam | ;-) |
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| 10:45.00 | anddam | takes a note about that |
| 10:45.18 | anddam | I figure I just used to try "vim" |
| 10:45.29 | anddam | and then of course the editor alternative prompted nano on visudo |
| 10:46.23 | anddam | does it makes a difference to install xorg before or after virtualbox-guest-x11? |
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| 10:47.12 | anddam | jelly: btw those are already installed, I guess that adds to the additional occupied space |
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| 10:49.46 | jelly | anddam: the order shouldn't matter |
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| 10:53.01 | aborrero | hi there |
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| 10:58.06 | sine0 | is there a 'top' for network usageand bandwidth etc ? |
| 10:58.29 | bhuddah | ntop? |
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| 11:03.15 | anddam | I mean with debian guest additions |
| 11:03.21 | anddam | now I should purge some spac |
| 11:03.23 | anddam | space |
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| 11:04.25 | anddam | is there a tool to see what packages are taking the most space? |
| 11:04.54 | anddam | my goal is to keep this well set-up virtualbox debian image as template |
| 11:05.23 | anddam | I setup custom video modes and all |
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| 11:05.49 | anddam | nvm https://wiki.debian.org/FreeSpace |
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| 11:20.59 | anddam | I see bc isn't installed by default, is it there under another time like vim.tiny is? |
| 11:21.24 | jelly | anddam: nope |
| 11:21.35 | jelly | !installit |
| 11:21.36 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 11:21.55 | qwk | Lol, I did a rookie mistake and added debian unstable repos and update and upgraded |
| 11:22.04 | anddam | done already, just curious |
| 11:22.14 | qwk | is there a way I could go back to stable ? |
| 11:22.37 | qwk | or have I messed up programs and stuff |
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| 11:23.22 | anddam | { dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size}+'; echo 0; } | bc returns 756437, the fs is occupied for 1.2 GB |
| 11:23.44 | anddam | what else takes space? |
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| 11:24.18 | anddam | tmpfs on /run have 0 kB occupied |
| 11:24.33 | SPF | 5% of a fs is reserved for root (by default) |
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| 11:30.43 | Pdmct_ | Hi, I am trying to get a 3G USB modem(ZTE MF70) working on a Raspberry Pi B+ running latest Raspbian (9/9/14) version -- I'm not sure how to get the network connection configured, the modem seems to be connected for data (its indicator LEDs say it is ) but the eth1 interface that it creates isn't configured, is there something else I need to do to get it |
| 11:30.43 | Pdmct_ | working? |
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| 11:35.13 | acemi | Pdmct_: i have ZTE MF628, it works after installing usb-modeswitch package |
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| 11:36.52 | acemi | Pdmct_: i installed wvdial too |
| 11:37.22 | Pdmct_ | @acemi I have usb-modeswitch installed --- it looks like it has switched successfully and created the eth1 interface however the i/f is not configured so no IP addr etc. The LED on the modem is flashing blue (manual says that means Data active on the 3G network) but it isn't registered on network (I think) - so no IP |
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| 11:38.47 | Pdmct_ | the MF70 exposes itself as a eth interface and not a serial modem I believe -- it seems to have create the interface but not regsitered itself on the network |
| 11:39.09 | acemi | Pdmct_: it create a ppp interface after wvdial starts |
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| 11:40.02 | acemi | Pdmct_: i said for MF 678 |
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| 11:42.03 | Pdmct_ | acemi: I have tried to get wvdial working using a Huawei E1823 on RPi with wvdial -- it was very unreliable worked in about 1/20 attempts. I tried with the MF70 using sakis3g and couldn't get modem to connect but not wvdial yet. I was hoping I could get the eth1 interface working |
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| 11:59.12 | pzn | "df -m" was showing 563000M space, 563000M available, 0 free. I removed a ~20GB file, now it shows 545670 used and still "0 free". already did an fsck, what can I do to release space? |
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| 12:00.40 | jolt | pzn: du -hs /* and see which dir has the most stuff |
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| 12:01.19 | pzn | jolt, I meant: I removed 20Gb of files, I can create a new file on the filesystem (no errors), but "df -m" still shows 0 available. could that be "df" bug? |
| 12:01.59 | jolt | pzn: the filesystem typically reservs 5% for root user, maybe that's it? |
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| 12:02.20 | jolt | or maybe it's 1%, I don't remember |
| 12:02.37 | pzn | jolt nice hint, I'll use tune2fs to reserve 0%, since that is the /home partition |
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| 12:05.57 | wodim | i have two interfaces added to /etc/network/interfaces with two different gateways, how do i choose which one is the default gateway? |
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| 12:06.48 | pzn | jolt, nice shot! that was really the problem 5% blocks reserved for root user |
| 12:06.55 | pzn | jolt, thanks |
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| 12:12.56 | jolt | pzn: cool, np! |
| 12:13.34 | l0x | How to mount image file (.dd)???? |
| 12:13.34 | l0x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:15.44 | jolt | losetup /dev/loop0 example.img, mount /dev/loop0 /mnt/somewhere |
| 12:15.46 | jolt | maybe |
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| 12:16.36 | jolt | mount -o loop img.dd /mnt/somewhere might work as well |
| 12:16.48 | jolt | haven't done it in a long time, I guess it depends on the filesystem |
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| 12:32.32 | ChrisH | Pdmct_: generic comment on that: PI is very special with USB Power. Try an active (= powered) USB Hub between PI and UMTS/LTE Stick. Some/most LTE sticks need cdc_ether module and will create a networked device. |
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| 12:35.24 | Pdmct_ | ChrisH: I would really like to avoid using a powered USB hub as I want to run off a battery, but thanks I will try it and see if it makes a difference. It does load and use cdc_ether module (I see in the dmesg log) and creates the eth1 interface so maybe it just runs out of juice before it can finish the process. |
| 12:37.28 | ChrisH | Pdmct_: then a simple ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.0.1 up should do the missing magic.... |
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| 12:40.21 | l0x | jolt. I tried some of those. Let me post results |
| 12:41.13 | l0x | (fs is NTFS) |
| 12:41.33 | wodim | i have two interfaces added to /etc/network/interfaces with two different gateways, how do i choose which one is the default gateway? |
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| 12:58.30 | Phyliares | Is https://packages.debian.org/ content updated via cron? |
| 12:58.52 | Phyliares | Not triggered by ftp upload? |
| 12:59.13 | jolt | Phyliares: Say what? |
| 12:59.33 | themill | Phyliares: uploads are only made available from cron in any case |
| 13:00.03 | themill | !dinstall |
| 13:00.03 | dpkg | methinks dinstall is the part of <dak> that processes newly uploaded packages. It is run 4 times per day at 0152 0752 1352 1952 UTC. See http://ftp-master.debian.org/#dinstall |
| 13:00.23 | themill | (packages.d.o and the mirrors then lag behind that) |
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| 13:00.33 | Phyliares | hmm i see, thank you |
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| 13:05.07 | Senji | anyone awake? |
| 13:05.15 | t3ngu | depends |
| 13:05.20 | ishidableach | Nope. |
| 13:05.28 | Phyliares | themill: do you know if is it also true for security packages |
| 13:05.41 | Senji | can you tell me if I should use aptitude or apt-get? |
| 13:06.23 | themill | Phyliares: security.d.o doesn't use dinstall but I would assume packages.d.o is still only updated from cron. (There's about 2 people who actually understand that particular code base...) |
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| 13:06.26 | Melba23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.54 | Phyliares | themill: ok :) thanks |
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| 13:10.04 | ishidableach | Senji, what are you trying to do? |
| 13:10.50 | Pdmct_ | ChrisH: ok, have now got modem on power USB hub and added IP addr to the eth1 interface that was created for the modem. I can see it via lsusb and in dmesg log but it doesn't do anything -- can't connect to config webapp on that IP addr. Any ideas? |
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| 13:11.08 | Senji | just wondering what's the better tool i should be using, just a noob to the whole linux managment thing, I'm a programmer but haven't had any real experiance with linux, only casual stuff |
| 13:12.02 | ishidableach | Senji: if you're just using the command-line then it doesn't matter what you use. The biggest difference is that Aptitude has a terminal menu interface and apt-get doesn't |
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| 13:12.49 | petn-randall | Senji: There's no difference, they're just two frontends to the same backend. I use apt-get to install single programs that I need, and aptitude for larger things, such as dist-upgrades, or removing and install large amounts of packages which require me fixing the dependencies. |
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| 13:13.30 | themill | The resolvers are different and so they handle big upgrades differently. At the moment, apt-get is better for big difficult upgrades while aptitude is better for smaller difficult upgrades. It was the other way around a while back... |
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| 13:42.43 | bigterd | i've installed debian a few times to an acutal cheap pen drive, and it seems as though after a couple of days of running it, i get weird out of space, no space left on device, msgs through bash (espeically when tab completing things) and unable to touch files or copy stuff. |
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| 13:43.13 | bigterd | if i wipe and redo dd my backup image, it works again ok for a few days, but back to the same thing. are pen drive just a bad idea to run a distro on? |
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| 13:43.47 | Cpuroast | regular distro, probably |
| 13:44.04 | Cpuroast | stuff like freenas runs perfectly off a pendrive |
| 13:44.09 | bigterd | hm. |
| 13:44.17 | Senji | freenas also makes the flash drive write protected |
| 13:44.25 | Senji | i'm guessing logs? |
| 13:44.26 | Cpuroast | Senji: that helps :) |
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| 13:44.38 | bigterd | yea, i distabled as much logging as possible, and moved swap to md array. |
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| 13:44.55 | Senji | why don't you start with a flashdrive specific distro and build from there |
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| 13:45.07 | bigterd | shrugs, |
| 13:45.15 | bigterd | i thought generic debian would work. |
| 13:45.19 | bigterd | guess not. ha. |
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| 13:46.03 | bigterd | it's a mosterous file server i built, and tried to keep host os on a $4 drive instead of a ssd |
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| 13:46.23 | bigterd | and i guess debian isn't fitting the picture. |
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| 13:47.07 | t3ngu | bigterd: if you do a du -ks / | sort -n |
| 13:47.20 | t3ngu | what is the most used directory? |
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| 13:47.53 | jelly | bigterd: out of the box config that issues lots of small write()s to logs and similar is definitely not suitable for cheap usb flash sticks |
| 13:47.55 | bigterd | everything is on root and it's got 4gb free? i'm not at the box right now, it's few miles away, offline storage. |
| 13:48.15 | bigterd | jelly: sounds as so. |
| 13:48.20 | t3ngu | so its a philosophical question |
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| 13:48.57 | bigterd | answers my question. need a very quiet distro or one that strictly runs from ram. |
| 13:49.00 | ChrisH | Pdmct_: can you ping that IP? If not use another IP, as there is a router inside the Stick on a fixed IP and that one might have the .1 |
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| 13:49.01 | bigterd | it's got 24gb |
| 13:49.02 | jelly | bigterd: you really want to avoid writing to the device as much as possible, or get a decent, more intelligent (and more expensive) stick |
| 13:49.49 | t3ngu | bigterd: that is debian for you |
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| 13:51.57 | Pdmct_ | ChrisH: Not sure what is happening with that modem, but I have tried another modem an Huawei E1823 via a serial connection (which was my original aim) and have managed to get that to work (with a powered hub). I had been bashing my head against that for a week trying to work out why it wouldn't come up reliably seems it was the power all along. I think I am |
| 13:51.57 | Pdmct_ | good now, thanks. |
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| 13:55.41 | bigterd | best alternative is to build a live cd and hardwrite my configs? it just needs to come back online with network and media services (nfs/samba/plex/blahblah) |
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| 14:01.31 | Jonuz | Does this mean that packages with bugs wont be installed? "continue the APT installation and mark all the above bugs |
| 14:01.34 | Jonuz | as ignored. |
| 14:01.36 | t3ngu | bigterd: if you dont know what is filling up the space how can you make a decision? |
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| 14:02.11 | ChrisH | Pdmct_: I learned it a similar hard way with UMTS Stick at my Fritzbox. |
| 14:02.48 | bigterd | t3ngu: it's not filling up. that's the oddness of it. everything is in one partition, and it's over 4gb free space. |
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| 14:03.13 | bigterd | as jelly said, it's probaby upsetting the pen stick, and a fresh write bandaids it |
| 14:03.16 | t3ngu | well you are saving some useless files |
| 14:03.24 | t3ngu | you DO NEED to search what are you saving |
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| 14:04.00 | bigterd | does df -h not print hidden disk usage? |
| 14:04.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | bigterd: define hidden |
| 14:04.21 | jelly | there's no such thing as "hidden" usage |
| 14:04.24 | t3ngu | +1 |
| 14:04.28 | bigterd | 8gb stick, 4gb, free, and no space left on /var |
| 14:04.29 | TyrfingMjolnir | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.43 | TyrfingMjolnir | bigterd: empty trash |
| 14:04.46 | jelly | bigterd: df -i |
| 14:05.06 | Nostalgeek | CVE-2014-7188 is Xen 4.0 vulnerable too? According to Xen it's not, but apparently Squeeze is vulnerable from here: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-7188 |
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| 14:05.12 | TyrfingMjolnir | 4GB marked corrupt? |
| 14:05.21 | TyrfingMjolnir | bigterd: Which FS? |
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| 14:06.45 | bigterd | 128512 35452 93060 28% / |
| 14:06.47 | bigterd | inodes |
| 14:06.59 | bigterd | 2.0G 890M 984M 48% / |
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| 14:07.12 | bigterd | 4gb install that's already gone goofy after 3 days |
| 14:07.13 | t3ngu | bigterd: $ cd / ; du -ks * | sort -n |
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| 14:07.42 | centrx | Nostalgeek, You have to find out what versions of xen are affected by the bug. |
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| 14:07.54 | centrx | Nostalgeek, Right now it seems to be too new, it's not on the various vulnerability sites |
| 14:07.58 | jelly | bigterd: look at your dmesg output (or /var/log/kern.log if it's still being written to), it's possible the device has fallen off the usb bus |
| 14:07.59 | Nostalgeek | centrx: I asked #xen, they said to ask #debian |
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| 14:08.09 | Nostalgeek | I want to know why Xen 4.0 is vulnerable in Debian but not from upstream |
| 14:08.25 | Nostalgeek | Did debian backport some patches which makes 4.0 on Debian vulnerable ? |
| 14:08.35 | bigterd | 102544lib |
| 14:08.35 | bigterd | 182708var |
| 14:08.35 | bigterd | 558004usr |
| 14:08.38 | jelly | Nostalgeek: it's too early to say. security-tracker will be updated when the security team knows more. |
| 14:08.39 | bigterd | 3 largest |
| 14:08.48 | bigterd | and nothing in kern |
| 14:08.56 | t3ngu | i would guess you need an apt-get clean |
| 14:09.02 | bigterd | i think like you said, it just slowly bitrot's the device |
| 14:09.03 | kate` | hi |
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| 14:09.05 | kate` | i upgraded my macbook from wheezy to jessie, and multitouch on the trackpad stopped working. i *think* i should be using the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics driver. does gpointing-device-settings still exist? |
| 14:09.07 | jelly | !tell bigterd about paste |
| 14:09.15 | centrx | Nostalgeek, You are saying 4.0 is vulnerabile based on the Debian security tracker? |
| 14:09.15 | Nostalgeek | jelly: humm ok, thanks... i'l wait a bit then |
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| 14:09.22 | bigterd | sorry on the 3 lines |
| 14:09.36 | bigterd | should of pasted 2 |
| 14:09.52 | Nostalgeek | centrx: Yes, Debian claims 4.0/ Squeeze is vulnerable, I have asked the Xen folks and they claim only 4.1 and onward is vulnerable |
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| 14:10.18 | centrx | Nostalgeek, okay the security tracker page is automated and seems to often show things as vulnerable that aren't |
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| 14:11.52 | Phyliares | Nostalgeek: http://sources.debian.net/src/xen/4.0.1-5.11/xen/arch/x86/hvm/hvm.c/ <= doesn't contain the vulnerable code section |
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| 14:12.15 | Phyliares | Doesn't seems it's not but.. |
| 14:12.25 | Phyliares | s/seems/means/ |
| 14:13.08 | Nostalgeek | Phyliares: good catch. Hopefully someone from the Debian Security team will catch this up and remove Squeeze from the tracker page. |
| 14:13.36 | Phyliares | well, security team doesn't work anymore on squeeze |
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| 14:13.59 | Nostalgeek | Phyliares: anyone responsible for the tracker page, then |
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| 14:14.02 | jelly | Phyliares: no, but they accept updates from squeeze-lts people |
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| 14:17.12 | jelly | Nostalgeek: do you have a handy reference for upstream saying 4.0.x is NOT vulnerable to this particular issue? |
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| 14:17.43 | Nostalgeek | jelly: http://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-108.html |
| 14:17.47 | Nostalgeek | jelly: also asked #xen |
| 14:18.15 | Nostalgeek | jelly: the response I've got from #xen was that Debian may have backported patches from 4.1 |
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| 14:19.02 | centrx | that seems contradictory |
| 14:19.11 | centrx | backport the patches to the version that's not vulnerable? |
| 14:19.51 | Nostalgeek | centrx: backported some pieces of code from Xen 4.1 to Debian Xen 4.0 which included the vulnerable bits |
| 14:20.06 | centrx | I see |
| 14:20.11 | centrx | Nostalgeek, Are you on Squeeze LTS ? |
| 14:21.09 | Nostalgeek | centrx: I have some servers on Squeeze running Xen 4.0 and am just trying to see if they are vulnerable or not. |
| 14:21.32 | centrx | dpkg, tell Nostalgeek about squeeze-lts |
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| 14:23.37 | jelly | Nostalgeek: #debian-lts says <buxy> anyway xen is marked as end-of-life in squeeze so it's effectively unsupported |
| 14:24.01 | jelly | and they confirm the theory that |
| 14:24.15 | jelly | <buxy> jelly: by default any CVE applies to all version of a package, until someone adds the proper meta-information to exclude some releases and to say which version fixed it |
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| 14:25.05 | Jonuz | How do I get gnome-shell 3.14 installed on sid? |
| 14:25.29 | Nostalgeek | jelly: thanks! |
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| 14:26.03 | jelly | Jonuz: if it's uninstallable, file a bug report or just wait a bit |
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| 14:27.36 | Halma | hi all |
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| 14:28.46 | Halma | if i do a "git clone url.git" how do i go into the downloaded directory with a shellscript if i dont know the directory name ? |
| 14:30.17 | Halma | id just like to go one directoy up, but i dont know the name of the directory |
| 14:30.26 | Halma | "onedirup=$(ls | cut -d" " -f1) && cd $onedirup" any easier way ? |
| 14:30.30 | Jonuz | jelly: the problem is this (i guess) gnome-shell: |
| 14:30.33 | Jonuz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.35 | Jonuz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.16 | Deeps | Halma: uhh, cd ..? |
| 14:31.55 | Senji | not enough calls to awk Jonuz |
| 14:31.58 | jelly | Jonuz: that's not a problem, that's apt-cache policy saying "there's a version 3.14.0-1 in a repo, you might be able to install it" |
| 14:32.07 | sysvalve | Halma the cloned name will be the same as the repo, without the .git suffix |
| 14:32.20 | jelly | !tell Jonuz about sid faq |
| 14:32.22 | sysvalve | and regarding the "up" directory, is not "cd .." enough for you? |
| 14:32.27 | jelly | !tell Jonuz about basic apt troubleshooting |
| 14:32.37 | jelly | !tell Jonuz about debian-next |
| 14:32.49 | Senji | if you really can't trust the naming of things do a ls for folders before and after |
| 14:32.57 | Halma | but how i can one directory up from a bash script if you down know the name, without grepping the name from the repo rul |
| 14:32.59 | Halma | *url |
| 14:33.11 | Senji | uuuuh wait why can't you just cd .. |
| 14:33.16 | Phyliares | sysvalve: you can specify a name: "git clone url.git name" |
| 14:33.21 | Phyliares | Halma: |
| 14:33.30 | Phyliares | sysvalve: sorry for hl |
| 14:33.41 | sysvalve | Phyliares yes, I know, but in her example, the name is implicit, and is the same as the repo name |
| 14:33.46 | sysvalve | Phyliares np :) |
| 14:34.47 | tsam | Halma: cd .., as stated before, and you can use $PWD to know your current dir. |
| 14:35.08 | Halma | cd .. goes one directory back |
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| 14:35.16 | jelly | Nostalgeek: if you have machines on squeeze, you should at least enable squeeze-lts repo and install debian-security-support package to tell you which installed packages have limited or no support any more |
| 14:35.20 | Halma | id like to go forward :) |
| 14:35.29 | Halma | like cd $directory |
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| 14:35.41 | acemi | Halma: do you go to sub directory? |
| 14:35.58 | Halma | yes thats what the command does "onedirup=$(ls | cut -d" " -f1) && cd $onedirup" |
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| 14:36.07 | Phyliares | upper lower parent sub... not so clear :) |
| 14:36.39 | jelly | sure it's clear, up is parent! The directory tree is upsidedown |
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| 14:36.53 | Halma | ok i am in "/tmp" and i do a git download... then git creates a folder ... id like to go into the created folder from the git |
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| 14:37.12 | Halma | so like "cd /tmp"folderOfGit" |
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| 14:37.37 | jelly | Halma: which command exactly did you run? |
| 14:37.44 | acemi | Halma: git creates the sub directory with the same name of the repo, doesn't it? |
| 14:37.53 | jelly | Halma: show the complete command line please |
| 14:37.59 | Halma | "git clone url.git " && onedirup=$(ls | cut -d" " -f1) && cd $onedirup" |
| 14:38.16 | jelly | Halma: url.git does not look like a real command. |
| 14:38.19 | Phyliares | "ls | cut -d" " -f1" == "ls -1" BTW |
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| 14:38.37 | Halma | yes it creates a subdir .. can i put this subdir into a variable ? |
| 14:38.43 | Senji | but up is in the direction of root |
| 14:38.48 | Senji | wtf world are you living in |
| 14:39.38 | tsam | So you're not willing to go up, but down to the newly created directory. |
| 14:39.52 | tsam | Also you should avoid parsing ls, it's a bad habbit. |
| 14:40.04 | Halma | i know |
| 14:40.21 | Halma | id like to get the newly created dir to an variable |
| 14:40.33 | Phyliares | name your repo when cloning and put that name in a var... what's wrong with that? |
| 14:40.52 | jelly | Halma: please put the _real_, complete git command, and the contents of the directory afterwards, into a pastebin. |
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| 14:41.08 | tsam | Halma: you can specify the directory. |
| 14:41.25 | tsam | git clone url.git -- $mygitdir && cd $mygitdir |
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| 14:42.39 | Halma | tsam id do many git downloads and i cant work with static names "like $mygitdir" |
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| 14:42.51 | Senji | use inotifywait to cach when the folder changes :P |
| 14:42.57 | Halma | all i need is a git download and the go into this newly creaty dir .. this cant be so hard |
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| 14:43.07 | Halma | *and then go into* |
| 14:43.08 | tsam | Also from the git-clone man "The name of a new directory to clone into. The "humanish" part of the source repository is used if no directory is explicitly given (repo for /path/to/repo.git and foo for host.xz:foo/.git). Cloning into an existing directory is only allowed if the directory is empty." |
| 14:43.47 | Halma | allready the directoy is empty so downloading is allowed ;) |
| 14:44.12 | Halma | i do git clone url.git WITHOUT a name after the url.git |
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| 14:44.34 | tsam | Halma: then parse url.git, rather than ls |
| 14:44.35 | jelly | Halma: you can cut the directory name out of "url.git" |
| 14:45.08 | tsam | Or use inotifywait |
| 14:45.09 | jelly | which would be EASIER to show if you showed an actual command line |
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| 14:47.43 | john1984 | hi |
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| 14:48.11 | undecided | hi |
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| 14:48.19 | Halma | thank you very much all |
| 14:48.39 | Phyliares | Was it a troll? |
| 14:49.40 | t3ngu | doubt it |
| 14:49.42 | jelly | more like a case of xyproblem |
| 14:49.42 | undecided | I want to install latest WINE on Debian7 but can't find a suitable deb fike at their site |
| 14:49.52 | undecided | *file |
| 14:50.20 | undecided | how to get wine for debian7 64 bit? |
| 14:50.46 | qjqqyy | undecided: https://wiki.debian.org/RunningWindowsPrograms |
| 14:50.57 | qjqqyy | you probably need to setup multiarch too |
| 14:51.27 | undecided | thanks. checking. multiarch already added |
| 14:51.28 | qjqqyy | and as for latest wine, it's probably only packaged for sid |
| 14:52.03 | Phyliares | stable is in jessie |
| 14:52.05 | undecided | I tried that package yesterday but didnt work |
| 14:52.19 | qjqqyy | years ago I used to use playonlinux which installs newer wine locally under $HOME |
| 14:52.25 | qjqqyy | idk if that project is still alive though |
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| 14:55.15 | undecided | qjqqyy: that link doesn't lead to latest wine |
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| 14:56.24 | qjqqyy | undecided: http://wine.psy-q.ch/ for latest on sid |
| 14:56.33 | qjqqyy | but you're running wheezy... |
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| 14:56.48 | jrm2k6 | anybody doing android development using debian wheezy 32 here? |
| 14:57.11 | snare2 | hi all! Anybody can help me with port knocking? It is a patebin: http://pastebin.com/X7fJDXsF It's work (ssh and proxmox) but not work --seconds option: work only some of seconds. Why? |
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| 14:57.26 | ChrisH | regarding my Channel 12/13 question for brccmsmac question I found 702362 linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64: Wireless Lan driver brcmsmac not connecting to channels 12, 13 & 14 |
| 14:57.28 | undecided | yea, but something must be available for wheezy too |
| 14:57.53 | qjqqyy | oh wait undecided I misread, that page has wine for wheezy |
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| 14:58.12 | qjqqyy | it's horribly packaged though, you gotta pretend you're on slackware for a while and sort out obscure dependencies |
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| 15:00.41 | undecided | qjqqyy: yea i see, author says himself that packages is so bad, |
| 15:01.01 | undecided | maybe I compile source |
| 15:01.17 | snare2 | undecided, are you work with iptables knocking? |
| 15:01.22 | undecided | where is latest source tarball? |
| 15:01.24 | snare2 | qjqqyy, or you? |
| 15:01.38 | undecided | snare2: nop |
| 15:01.54 | snare2 | :( |
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| 15:03.33 | hamcore | Does stable bind release comes with dlz for samba? |
| 15:03.49 | qjqqyy | wtf snare2 how do you even put http behind a port knocker |
| 15:04.14 | jelly | hidden http! |
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| 15:04.44 | qjqqyy | anyways try like nc host 27891 then open ssh/http within 120 seconds? |
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| 15:07.53 | snare2 | for ssh too |
| 15:08.02 | snare2 | only some of seconds |
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| 15:18.48 | antihero | Is there a nice simple tool to generate simple init scripts? |
| 15:18.56 | antihero | that use the debian functions |
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| 15:19.11 | Russel-Athletic | hiho, how can i find out if XSA-108 (xen vulnerability) is already fixed with an update that came today/a few days ago? |
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| 15:20.17 | Russel-Athletic | the mail on debian-security-announce is pretty vague |
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| 15:26.22 | petn-randall | runeg: Check the corresponding CVE on https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/ |
| 15:26.35 | petn-randall | (assuming you have the CVE to the vulnerability. |
| 15:26.37 | petn-randall | ) |
| 15:27.15 | jelly | slow petn-randall is slow? |
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| 15:27.45 | petn-randall | jelly: too much coffee, too little sleep :/ |
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| 15:27.53 | Phyliares | antihero: see /lib/init/init-d-script and /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 15:35.53 | antihero | Phyliares: Ta. Does that work for processes which don't daemonise? |
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| 15:37.56 | b3d0u1n | I have an old imac (PPC) thousands of miles away that I have ssh access to (don't worry, I've managed to keep it fairly patched up). It's running Sarge (yes!) and id like to upgrade it to whatever the latest ppc release is -- remotely. What the best approach to doing this with the least likely route for failure? Im willing to accept failure, by the way. |
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| 15:38.57 | antihero | Phyliares: Yeah it just hangs, I thought start-stop-daemon could make it fork? |
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| 15:39.21 | ChrisH | b3d0u1n: use screen to reattach |
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| 15:39.46 | b3d0u1n | Screen? What does that have to do with anything? |
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| 15:40.24 | antihero | ah, background |
| 15:40.27 | ChrisH | b3d0u1n: If the connection gets intereuppted you can reattached and continue your work |
| 15:40.57 | jelly | b3d0u1n: considering you need multiple reboots and an uncommon platform, there's not much to offer except "good luck" |
| 15:41.00 | antihero | woo |
| 15:41.37 | b3d0u1n | Hahaha.. I keep waiting for the thing to die but it just keeps going. |
| 15:41.48 | jelly | ChrisH: even screen's going to break on the squeeze->wheezy step iirc |
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| 15:42.43 | b3d0u1n | I left the us in 2010... It was setup in 2005 ... Its been running sarge for almost ten years now on a G3 imac from 1999 or 2000 |
| 15:42.58 | jelly | b3d0u1n: there's no skipping releases supported, so you'll have to go sarge->etch->lenny->squeeze and who knows if the machine is supported on wheezy |
| 15:43.15 | Phyliares | antihero: what are you trying to do? You'd just launch commands without start-stop-daemon if it is not a daemon |
| 15:43.24 | jelly | b3d0u1n: how much ram does it have |
| 15:43.29 | b3d0u1n | 1gb |
| 15:43.33 | jelly | oh, that's nice |
| 15:43.51 | Phyliares | antihero: see /etc/init.d/hostname.sh for exemple on simple script |
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| 15:44.52 | Phyliares | just add a pid stuff |
| 15:45.09 | b3d0u1n | It has the original hd too lol |
| 15:45.26 | jelly | b3d0u1n: read /msg dpkg etch release notes, /msg dpkg etch sources.list, /msg dpkg lenny release notes, etc. :-) |
| 15:45.45 | ChrisH | b3d0u1n: and keep us informed :) |
| 15:45.57 | Pixionus | b3d0u1n: damn... Housed at a relative's or friend's? |
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| 15:46.03 | b3d0u1n | Parent's |
| 15:46.16 | antihero | grr, I'm doing the skeleton thing but it's being weird |
| 15:46.22 | jelly | I give it 20% chance of getting to squeeze |
| 15:46.25 | Pixionus | mind if I ask what you use it for? |
| 15:46.34 | Pixionus | proxy? |
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| 15:46.47 | b3d0u1n | There's external drives hooked up to with a lot of movies and stuff. I've leeched most of the stuff. It also runs a telnet bbs. |
| 15:46.58 | Pixionus | ah |
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| 15:47.55 | antihero | Phyliares: https://gist.github.com/radiosilence/3fcff3a5ec925bd941e6 this is what I have so far. It seems to want to be killed, but the PID doesn't show up |
| 15:48.01 | b3d0u1n | Also when my parents have network issues I can open up konq or iceweasal to look at the router |
| 15:48.09 | b3d0u1n | Over X11 |
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| 15:48.45 | jelly | b3d0u1n: and /msg dpkg ppc |
| 15:49.11 | antihero | yup, no /var/run/plex-scrobble.pid |
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| 15:50.47 | b3d0u1n | To keep it going over the years I've compiled a lot from source.. Which creates a lot of problems with apt at this point |
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| 15:51.43 | antihero | why would no pid pop out? |
| 15:51.47 | Phyliares | antihero: could you check $? value after starting it? |
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| 15:52.14 | Pixionus | Hey, quick question. I have an OS on SD card that sometimes boots and sometimes does not. About to run fsck on it with the following options: fsck /dev/sdc2 -f -v -p -c -E discard |
| 15:52.17 | antihero | Phyliares: it just says "ok" so I guess 1 or 0 |
| 15:52.31 | Pixionus | Anyone see any problems or mistakes with doing so? I don't really use the tool like ever. |
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| 15:52.57 | antihero | Phyliares: Gives me a 0 |
| 15:53.20 | antihero | after do_start |
| 15:55.11 | antihero | hmm, well we got it to make a pidfile with --make-pidfile, but it still doesnt stop the thing |
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| 15:55.37 | Phyliares | oh yes, your python doesn't create one |
| 15:55.39 | Phyliares | oc |
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| 15:57.00 | antihero | Right, so we have it starting, it now puts the PIDFILE in the right place,w ith the right PID, but stop does nothing. |
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| 15:57.18 | antihero | well, it claims to have stopped it, but doesnt. |
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| 15:58.30 | bigterd | when building my distro, should i use pae kernel? or non-pae for compatibility? |
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| 15:59.31 | antihero | okkk it thinks it's already stopped? |
| 15:59.40 | Phyliares | antihero: what does: skill -TERM plex-scrobble.py |
| 15:59.40 | Nik05 | bigterd probably pae, unless you have a old system |
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| 16:00.20 | bigterd | building one tailored for on the site data recovery, and i don't want to be stuck at a job because of kernel selection... |
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| 16:00.47 | antihero | Phyliares: Nothing, and also does not kill it |
| 16:01.16 | Phyliares | antihero: and skill -KILL? |
| 16:01.25 | jelly | bigterd: do you ever plan on running on embedded P1 systems without PAE support? |
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| 16:02.26 | bigterd | jelly: i odn't know what the next system will be, that's the kicker. who knows what i'll be walking into. |
| 16:02.32 | antihero | Phyliares: same |
| 16:02.43 | bigterd | unless i can compile a distro with 10 different kernels to pick from |
| 16:02.47 | jelly | bigterd: it's probably going to be not only PAE but 64bit capable as well. |
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| 16:03.15 | Phyliares | antihero: does this script takes arguments? |
| 16:03.27 | bigterd | jelly: last system was a p2 300mhz. one prior was a p3 700mhz |
| 16:03.34 | Phyliares | Do you have a way to stop it from cli usually? |
| 16:03.36 | antihero | Phyliares: Nope! |
| 16:03.38 | bigterd | old, but people had pictures they wanted off of it. |
| 16:03.45 | antihero | Phyliares: the full line is this though |
| 16:03.46 | Pixionus | well running with -f -v and -c first |
| 16:03.47 | antihero | /home/subsonic/.virtualenvs/plex-lastfm-scrobbler/bin/python /home/subsonic/.virtualenvs/plex-lastfm-scrobbler/bin/plex-scrobble.py |
| 16:03.55 | antihero | so I think its actually running python |
| 16:04.02 | antihero | but I cant just kill python |
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| 16:04.15 | antihero | dont know if it should need to though |
| 16:04.27 | Pixionus | can -p cause any problems and what about discard (also did I use that correctly: -E discard) |
| 16:05.06 | Phyliares | does "pgrep plex-scrobble.py" return somthing ? |
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| 16:05.32 | antihero | Phyliares: it does not! |
| 16:05.47 | Phyliares | so use a dirty way... |
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| 16:06.08 | antihero | just kill it, screw start/stop? |
| 16:07.09 | Phyliares | yes manually find pid > echo this in /var/run/; to stop it kill that pid |
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| 16:07.35 | antihero | yeah |
| 16:08.33 | b3d0u1n | Unrelated. Anyone have thoughts on VMware vs. VB? I've had a few oddities lately with VB and im thinking of switching. |
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| 16:08.48 | b3d0u1n | The host is running squeeze with these guests running wheezy |
| 16:09.04 | b3d0u1n | Three |
| 16:11.15 | ChrisH | b3d0u1n: I prefer VB as the intergration into Debian is smoother. compiling vmware tools is no fun. If there are VMWare ESX near you then VMWare makes more sense as importing from ESX is possible. |
| 16:11.17 | antihero | yeahwooo |
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| 16:15.37 | Phyliares | antihero: congrats? |
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| 16:21.37 | kbasher | i have modded input joystick driver to have a more accurate and faster exponential mapping curve with the specified deadzone, anyone interested ? btw the default 5000 deadzone is completely useless, 200 works nicely on my saitek IMPACT gamepad |
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| 16:23.50 | drywheat | i'm using debian 7.2 and now v7.6 is available. is it sufficient to just `apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' to stay up-to-date? |
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| 16:24.02 | drywheat | or is there something I'm missing? |
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| 16:25.54 | towo` | drywheat, apt-get dist-upgrade is right |
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| 16:26.06 | drywheat | towo`: thx |
| 16:26.15 | Deeps | upgrade first, then dist-upgrade |
| 16:26.22 | towo` | no |
| 16:26.26 | towo` | update 1st |
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| 16:26.39 | drywheat | yeah, that's how i took it |
| 16:26.46 | Deeps | update, upgrade, dist-upgrade |
| 16:26.49 | towo` | apt-get upgrade is not needed at all |
| 16:27.13 | Roenie | the correct order is update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, restore from backup |
| 16:27.14 | kbasher | where to submit patches to xorg input driver ? |
| 16:27.27 | Deeps | there's probably a reason why it's recommended when upgrading between releases (including ensuring that apt has been upgraded first), but i dont know enough about the underlying to know what it is |
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| 16:27.55 | towo` | Deeps, stable 7.x ==> stable 7.x+n is not an release upgrade |
| 16:28.04 | Deeps | 7.2 to 7.6 sounds like a big enough jump to justify following those rules still |
| 16:28.11 | towo` | FUD |
| 16:28.25 | Deeps | possibly |
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| 16:28.43 | Deeps | probably |
| 16:29.00 | Deeps | fear of my stable system failing, uncertainty of what'll happen, doubt that it'll hurt to do it the 'long' way |
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| 16:29.05 | Deeps | definitely :> |
| 16:30.10 | drywheat | thx for the inputs guys |
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| 16:32.26 | Xeago | My makefile has a target for test, running `debuild` runs my tests twice, why? |
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| 16:32.58 | Xeago | debian/rules specifies "build-indep: " and %:\n\tdh $@ |
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| 16:37.18 | topi` | I just apt-getted squid3, but squid is nowhere to be found in /etc/init.d .. where is it started from? |
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| 16:38.19 | Xeago | topi`: dpkg -S squid3 | grep init |
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| 16:38.58 | Xeago | dpkg -S lists all files by the package, then filter the output to contain init |
| 16:38.58 | dpkg | Package: lists all files by the package, then filter the output to contain init: Status: install ok installed |
| 16:39.04 | jelly | Xeago, topi`: I think you meant -L instead of -S |
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| 16:39.12 | topi` | but why is it /etc/init and not the venerable /etc/init.d ? |
| 16:39.21 | Xeago | jelly: you're right! |
| 16:39.26 | Brigo | topi`, /etc/init.d/squid3 |
| 16:39.35 | topi` | ugh, sorry guys, *that* host was a Ubuntu 13.10 system ... not debian |
| 16:39.40 | topi` | sorry for the confusion |
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| 16:39.42 | Brigo | topi`, in squid3 package |
| 16:40.01 | topi` | it seems I lose track of where I'm running debian and where others :) |
| 16:40.13 | NiLon | don't commit heresy ;) |
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| 16:40.37 | jelly | topi`: at least you figured it out before doing something really silly |
| 16:40.42 | topi` | yeah :) |
| 16:41.11 | topi` | well, it seems Ubuntu is using a strange /etc/init directory instead of the traditional /etc/init.d ... is this that Systemd thingy they want to start to support? |
| 16:41.18 | topi` | I guess there's systemd available for Debian as well? |
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| 16:41.31 | jelly | topi`: it's upstart. and #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server channel are right over there --> |
| 16:41.35 | Xeago | topi`: it might be upstart yea, I don't know where the canonical location for that is |
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| 16:55.59 | sarkis | how can i tell if a daemon is set to start on boot? |
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| 16:59.53 | banjo | sarkis: sysv-rc-conf with sysv |
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| 17:04.54 | topi` | any idea why Debian didn't take the Upstart route but is still using the venerable SYSV init? |
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| 17:05.10 | topi` | although I prefer systemd over upstart, despite its complexity and all |
| 17:06.00 | nikomo | systemd has more general support, Upstart had CLA, Upstart didn't really offer any real advantages |
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| 17:06.34 | nikomo | Anyone got any idea why my install refuses to upgrade a package, when a newer version is on the mirror? |
| 17:06.55 | nikomo | I have systemd 208 on sid, and the mirror has 215, aptitude update && aptitude upgrade and no new packages |
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| 17:09.54 | jelly | topi`: next release will use systemd (by default). you can read /msg dpkg why systemd |
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| 17:10.43 | jelly | nikomo: sid? ask in #debian-next over on irc.oftc.net (not here on freenode) |
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| 17:10.52 | sarkis | yea - kinda happy they skipped over upstart to be honest - go straight to systemd :0 |
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| 17:10.59 | nikomo | jelly: cheers |
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| 17:12.07 | banjo | nikomo: if aptitude: aptitude safe-upgrade od aptitude full-upgrade with sid |
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| 17:12.55 | banjo | or apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 17:17.44 | nikomo | banjo: turns out I was just reading output of a command wrong, and I was actually on the latest version of the package. this is why you should sleep |
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| 18:09.39 | pie_ | i havent had much luck googling |
| 18:09.47 | pie_ | and i dont really want to build my own if possible |
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| 19:00.21 | flipside | i am running GNU/Linux Debian 7 (Wheezy) on my computer and want the voicemail messages i have on my motorola flipside to my computer. How can i do that? |
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| 19:00.43 | flipside | i am running GNU/Linux Debian 7 (Wheezy) on my computer and want to transfer the voicemail messages i have on my motorola flipside to my computer. How can i do that? |
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| 19:06.47 | milovan | Hi, is there any resolution / possible push into repository related to https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-0076 ? PCI compliance is bugging me about it |
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| 19:09.07 | milovan | it should be fixed in 0.9.8o-4squeeze15 but apparently no such version out yet? |
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| 19:13.02 | motoflipside | i am running GNU/Linux Debian 7 (Wheezy) on my computer and want to transfer the voicemail messages i have on my motorola flipside to my computer. How can i do that? |
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| 19:13.24 | motoflipside | http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_flipside_mb508-3539.php |
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| 19:14.55 | DarkMio | Hi. I am currently installing debian on a laptop and totally forgot about the non-free-firmware for wifi. This laptop has a Intel WiFi Link 5100 and I was wondering which package I actually need from here: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-iwlwifi |
| 19:15.17 | DarkMio | it's the latest netinst for x64 systems |
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| 19:16.49 | DarkMio | Also I totally forgot how wpa-ssid was written: ' wpa-ssid Hide yo kids, hide yo WiFi' or ' wpa-ssid "Hide yo kids, hide yo WiFi" ' |
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| 19:25.12 | jhutchins | DarkMio: Most intel chipsets don't need non-free firmward. |
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| 19:25.22 | DarkMio | This one does, unfortionaly |
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| 19:25.44 | jhutchins | pciid? |
| 19:25.52 | jhutchins | lspci -nn |
| 19:25.55 | DarkMio | Complained in the installer and ignored it and now I am going the hard way. I found the right package and it's now turned on - still struggeling with non-gui setup of wifi. |
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| 19:26.13 | jhutchins | DarkMio: Are you seeing it look for firmware in dmesg? |
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| 19:26.30 | jhutchins | Ok then. |
| 19:26.32 | DarkMio | Network Controller 0280: [8086:4232] |
| 19:26.52 | jhutchins | ,pciid 8086:4232 |
| 19:26.53 | judd | [8086:4232] is 'WiFi Link 5100' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4232 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 19:27.37 | DarkMio | Just need a valid setup for Wifi. Didn't do that in ages with just a bash |
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| 19:43.25 | erm3nda | ola ke ase |
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| 19:53.58 | dimitry7 | ola ke ase |
| 19:54.03 | dimitry7 | erm3nda, ola ke ase |
| 19:54.23 | DarkMio | Uh |
| 19:54.48 | DarkMio | "Hide yo kids, hide yo WiFi" get's treated (at least in the installer list) as two different networks |
| 19:54.58 | DarkMio | The comma seems to screw the listing. |
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| 19:55.02 | erm3nda | ola ke ase |
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| 19:55.40 | dimitry7 | erm3nda, haha, hello pv? |
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| 19:56.15 | bigterd | upon trying to build my own live debian, i ran into this trying to boot it. "mounting root filesystem .../init line 220 can't open /scripts/live" |
| 19:56.38 | bigterd | where it /scripts opened from? |
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| 19:58.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is it documented somewhere whether 'apt-get download' checks signatures? |
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| 19:59.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | (Something must be wrong if I have to guess this.) |
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| 20:21.37 | Majkl578 | hello, one question about pkg versions; assume a package for nightly builds, having versions in format YYYY.MM.DD, now decided to switch to a new format, say, 1.2.3~YYYYMMDD to reflect a real version, what would be the best way to not break automatic updates (1.2.3 < former YYYY.MM.DD)? |
| 20:21.38 | jo_ | hi |
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| 20:23.09 | dondelelcaro | Majkl578: YYYYMMDD is > than YYYY.MM.DD |
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| 20:23.53 | dondelelcaro | Majkl578: but going the other way wouldn't work very well, so don't do it. |
| 20:24.07 | jo_ | Need some help here: I have an ubuntu partition and a windows partition right now, but I want to install a debian partition - how would I do this via command line in ubuntu? My computer is dumb and doesn't allow me to boot from USB/cd. I've tried messing with the BIOS, no luck |
| 20:24.34 | dondelelcaro | Majkl578: oh, I misunderstood you; it was YYYY.MM.DD, and now it's 1.2.3~YYYYMMDD? You'll have to use an epoch for that |
| 20:24.55 | Majkl578 | dondelelcaro: yup like that, I thought about epoch, is that really the only way? |
| 20:25.04 | dondelelcaro | Majkl578: yes |
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| 20:26.00 | dondelelcaro | Majkl578: otherwise you have to have something which is bigger than YYYY in the first dot, and you're not going to have that without rediculousness |
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| 20:26.11 | dondelelcaro | Majkl578: which will be far, far, worse than an epoch ever was |
| 20:26.48 | dondelelcaro | (the versioning probably should have originally been 0~YYYY.MM.DD, but if it's already in Debian, it's too late now) |
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| 20:26.53 | Majkl578 | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks, that's basically exactly what I thought |
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| 20:27.30 | dondelelcaro | Majkl578: yeah, at first I thought you were talking about 1.2.3~YYYYMMDD vs 1.2.3~YYYY.MM.DD |
| 20:27.43 | dondelelcaro | Majkl578: which package is this, btw? |
| 20:28.09 | Majkl578 | dondelelcaro: it's not in official repo (now), it's hhvm-nightly (dl.hhvm.com) |
| 20:28.42 | Majkl578 | dondelelcaro: there's a discussion on github: https://github.com/hhvm/packaging/pull/76, you can drop your opinion there :) |
| 20:29.00 | dondelelcaro | Majkl578: oh. If it's not in the official repo, then do whatever you want! ;-) |
| 20:30.21 | dondelelcaro | you can even have people transition to the official packages from whatever repo they were coming from if that helps |
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| 20:33.44 | Majkl578 | dondelelcaro: by the way, what would be the best version string for nightly package, do you think <upstreamversion>~<date> is good? |
| 20:34.34 | Majkl578 | dondelelcaro: (it'd be nice if they pushed their stable package into debian's official repo, but I currently doubt it will happen anytime soon ;/) |
| 20:34.41 | dondelelcaro | Majkl578: yeah, I'd do something like upstreamversion~date+hash-1 or something like that |
| 20:35.48 | dazoe | so, i have a server. it's a simple server that does nothing exect for run a few cron jobs for backing up other server. It doesn't have an MTA on it so won't send email when a cron fails. |
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| 20:36.26 | dazoe | what is the simplest way to set it up to send mail via a relay, "smarthost" i think it's called |
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| 20:39.22 | lmat | How do I see when the last smart test was? |
| 20:39.28 | warren | anyone with Debian 7 can help me determine if build instructions work for a project? I don't have Debian so I can't test it myself. |
| 20:39.36 | JZTech101 | hey guys. Why is it that when I attempt to change my mac address, it resets? |
| 20:39.38 | JZTech101 | o.O |
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| 20:40.05 | Dionysius | hi guys. I've a strange problem. I can't write into a mysql table using php. via command line it works. Does latest stable debian has apparmor or selinux or something? I cant find /selinux/setenforce (selinux not installed?) |
| 20:40.09 | JZTech101 | like I down it, change the mac address. up it. And it magically resets back to factory mac address |
| 20:40.10 | JZTech101 | :| |
| 20:40.20 | lmat | JZTech101: ouch |
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| 20:40.40 | lmat | Dionysius: "I can't write ... it works." Which is it? |
| 20:41.07 | lmat | Dionysius: Oh, using the 'mysql' application, all is good, but using php, no good? |
| 20:41.09 | dazoe | found ssmtp |
| 20:41.13 | lmat | Dionysius: -> #php |
| 20:41.28 | Dionysius | lmat: correctly, but selects work all way |
| 20:41.37 | Dionysius | lmat: thats why i think its not php only |
| 20:41.41 | JZTech101 | I'm trying to understand why and how to fix it |
| 20:41.42 | JZTech101 | :| |
| 20:42.07 | JZTech101 | help? |
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| 20:42.33 | Dionysius | lmat: my main question is, what has latest debian by default? apparmor or selinux or something like that? |
| 20:42.45 | antivirtel | hello all! can someone help me with command "du"? I'm using it that way: `du -h` which outputs the needed things, except the decimal part of the size. Eg. I have 16.9 GB used, but it just writes: 16GB, and it it not the same 16.1 or 16.9 has a bit difference -- can't find a way, when I force megabytes or at least 2 decimal places like with `free -m`? |
| 20:42.46 | lmat | Dionysius: no clue. |
| 20:42.58 | Dionysius | lmat: np ty |
| 20:43.05 | lmat | antivirtel: try man du; |
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| 20:43.46 | antivirtel | I've seen it lmat - but I didn't find anything like that |
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| 20:44.32 | m8 | can you suggest me an image viewer for debian? |
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| 20:46.13 | lmat | m8: eog |
| 20:46.21 | m8 | ok |
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| 20:46.33 | m8 | for xfce too? |
| 20:46.51 | dutchfish | m8, geeqie, if want to review lots of images and series quickly |
| 20:47.06 | m8 | ok! |
| 20:47.22 | m8 | thanks :) |
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| 20:49.23 | Majkl578 | dondelelcaro: no more questions for now, thank you :) |
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| 21:01.31 | sarkis | hey all trying to reinstall monit but it won't get me the /etc/init.d/ file |
| 21:01.35 | sarkis | how can i force that? |
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| 21:02.35 | jmcnaught | !confmiss |
| 21:02.35 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 21:02.39 | heurist | sarkis: apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install --reinstall monit |
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| 21:04.12 | zot_12 | s |
| 21:04.39 | zot_12 | hey guys, any advice for somebody learning Linux, that wants to take notes? |
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| 21:05.13 | zot_12 | I have tried using a personal blog, but i was wondering whether there are any other options? |
| 21:05.31 | zot_12 | other than a generic notebook |
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| 21:07.23 | keith4 | in the stock rsyslog.conf file, what does the '-' ahead of some of the file paths indicate? |
| 21:07.34 | keith4 | I can't find any mention of it in the manpage for rsyslog.conf |
| 21:08.13 | jmcnaught | zot_12: i have a wiki on my LAN that I use for taking notes, running MoinMoin (same as wiki.debian.org). It makes it easy to have pages link to each other and organize into categories. There's other wiki software you could use instead, or you might check out tomboy which is a gnome notetaking app that can use WikiLink syntax |
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| 21:09.38 | rastaval | i have Debian 7 (wheezy) installed on my vps.. |
| 21:09.48 | rastaval | im having trouble in installing mysql-server |
| 21:10.02 | rastaval | upon setting my root password |
| 21:10.07 | zot_12 | cheers jmcnaught! |
| 21:10.24 | rastaval | theres a lot of error after the ui disapears |
| 21:10.53 | rastaval | how can i install mysql-server without such errors? |
| 21:10.55 | rastaval | please help |
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| 21:11.34 | jmcnaught | rastaval: could you put the command and complete output of what you're trying to do on http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 21:11.57 | rastaval | ok wait |
| 21:13.02 | d3lphi | hey all. I have a https:// source in my /etc/apt/sources.list but apt-get update fails for it because it doesn't know how to handle the https routine. How can I fix that? |
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| 21:14.57 | keith4 | d3lphi: you can change it to http |
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| 21:15.13 | rastaval | jmcnaught: here it is http://paste.debian.net/124067/ |
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| 21:15.59 | d3lphi | keith4: sure, but that would be a workaround |
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| 21:16.19 | d3lphi | however, I have found out. "apt-get install apt-transport-https" did the trick |
| 21:17.08 | keith4 | d3lphi: the packages are all signed. what's the motivation for using https? |
| 21:17.18 | keith4 | seems like unnecessary overhead |
| 21:17.40 | jmcnaught | rastaval: it looks like maybe you're trying to reinstall after an earlier failure? This paste show you installing the package "mysql-server" which depends on "mysql-server-5.5". Did you manually delete the file /usr/sbin/mysqld? |
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| 21:18.21 | rastaval | i did unfortunately |
| 21:19.15 | jmcnaught | rastaval: it's not a good idea to manually delete files that are installed by packages. Can you try "apt-get install mysql-server-5.5 --reinstall" ? |
| 21:19.22 | d3lphi | keith4: right. But don't forget the learning effect ;) |
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| 21:20.07 | rastaval | ook let me try to do that |
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| 21:21.08 | rastaval | i got this error |
| 21:21.09 | rastaval | E: Internal Error, No file name for mysql-server-5.5:amd64 |
| 21:21.17 | jmcnaught | rastaval: from now on use "apt-get remove" to remove packages. The apt-get man page is worth reading, and you should probably also check the package management chapters of either the Debian Reference or the Debian Administrator's Handbook (both available online or as packages) |
| 21:21.24 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell rastaval about bat |
| 21:22.12 | jmcnaught | rastaval: what command gave you that error? Also check the message from dpkg bot about some additional stuff to put on paste.debian.net for us |
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| 21:23.02 | rastaval | http://paste.debian.net/124068/ that one |
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| 21:23.54 | bluesnik | hi community |
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| 21:24.55 | shelx | Hello guys |
| 21:25.01 | Dionysius | I've created a post of my issue regarding mysql php problem debian permissions, because its quite difficult to explain in short. Pls have a short look at it: http://serverfault.com/questions/632899/mysql-insert-query-not-working-in-php-scripts-permission-issue |
| 21:25.13 | bluesnik | is there anybody, who can help with pam and htpasswd? |
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| 21:25.53 | shelx | I have a problem with postfix ... i want to use mandrill (third party smtp) but not working |
| 21:26.15 | shelx | i receive Relay access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command ... |
| 21:26.38 | shelx | can you help me? |
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| 21:26.51 | phoohb_ | Netinstall images is scewedup. nothing happends at default choise. And in advansed it hangs at 1 stepp |
| 21:28.45 | jmcnaught | shelx: the mandrill server responds with that error? You probably need to ask mandrill. Or if that's what your server is saying, you might ask in #postfix. You could ask here too but either place you'll probably need to pastebin your main.cf and some logs (possibly edited for privacy) |
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| 21:29.45 | jmcnaught | phoohb_: does this usb stick (or cd) work on another computer? how did you prepare it? |
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| 21:30.34 | shelx | jmcnaught: is not a problem. you need to pastebin my config? |
| 21:31.36 | jmcnaught | shelx: yes the more details you can provide the easier it will be for people to help you. Which server is giving you the error message? |
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| 21:33.00 | bluesnik | I cannot examine, how to setup /etc/pam.d/<service> , to use a htpasswd generated file with NOT truncated passwords to 8 chars (option -d of htpasswd) |
| 21:33.01 | shelx | http://paste.debian.net/124069/ this is my main.cfg |
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| 21:34.06 | bluesnik | ... on wheezy ... |
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| 21:35.20 | shelx | jmcnaught: and this is log from mailq http://paste.debian.net/124070/ |
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| 21:36.23 | sarkis | heurist: thanks btw! |
| 21:37.10 | phoohb_ | jmcnaught: dd what else |
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| 21:37.39 | rastaval | jmcnaught i managed to revive /usr/sbin/mysqld and this is my error in installing mysql-server http://paste.debian.net/124071/ |
| 21:37.40 | jmcnaught | shelx: ahh.. so it's the mandrill server giving you that error message. Have you contacted their support to ask why? |
| 21:38.38 | jmcnaught | rastaval: i'm not exactly sure what the issue there is, but my guess is that you also deleted files that belong to other mysql packages (other than mysql-server-5.5) |
| 21:39.07 | jmcnaught | phoohb_: well i usually use cp instead of dd. what was the full command you used? did you copy to the device or a partition? |
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| 21:39.24 | shelx | jmcnaught: noo ... i think the problem is in my cfg ... i think. it's all right my cfg? |
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| 21:40.17 | rastaval | jmcnaught: that error had already shown before i deleted the mysqld file |
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| 21:41.00 | jmcnaught | shelx: you have relayhost define twice. i assume you have credentials for mandrill in /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd? Are you getting any other errors in /var/log/mail.log? |
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| 21:42.52 | jmcnaught | i'm headed away for a bit, hope everyone figures their issues out. provide as much detail as possible and use http://paste.debian.net and one of the lovely community members may be able to help! |
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| 21:53.10 | benedikt_ | I have a system where df shows that / is 99% full, but I can only account for roughly 50% of that with du. what do? |
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| 21:54.44 | rryoumaa | unlinked file? |
| 21:54.56 | rryoumaa | mount point? |
| 21:55.02 | rryoumaa | fsck? |
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| 21:56.12 | centrx | benedikt_, du |sort -g |tail -100 |
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| 21:57.44 | tsun | oh before I removed the GUI, and plugged in the external drive via usb, it mounted automatically |
| 21:58.02 | tsun | now I removed the GUI with `sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove` and it won't mount automatically |
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| 21:58.38 | tsun | and whenever I use `sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/disk` it gives full permissions, and the software gives errors if there are full permissions |
| 21:58.43 | tsun | chmod 766 didn't help |
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| 21:59.08 | tsun | not sure how the OS itself automounts to disk even if the "disk" directory wasn't made |
| 21:59.21 | heurist | tsun: man ntfs-3g |
| 21:59.24 | __zap__ | how can i make debtree output dependencies for a specific version of a package? debtree package=version does not work. |
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| 22:00.46 | tsun | hmm, but I don't exactly know what to do but I'll see |
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| 22:03.04 | jhutchins | tsun: Unfortunately, Debian is currently relying on Gnome to handle ntfs-3g mounts with fuse. |
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| 22:03.34 | tsun | ah, are there any specific commands to mount the drive like the OS does? |
| 22:03.36 | jhutchins | tsun: It's really annoying, but if you use a dm that doesn't update the policykit rules they won't auto-mount. |
| 22:03.44 | jhutchins | !ntfs |
| 22:03.46 | dpkg | Windows NT File System (NTFS) has drivers available in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and a <FUSE> driver providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <label>. http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS |
| 22:04.18 | tsun | I don't wish for an automount, I'd mount it manually, it's just that the drive gets full permissions instead of regular permissions like it gives when it automounts |
| 22:04.30 | tsun | so should I be using fusermount? |
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| 22:06.01 | tsun | nope, not working |
| 22:06.30 | heurist | tsun: you can mount it manually it is just a bit of a long list of options. my fstab entry looks like: /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows/ ntfs-3g rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,nonempty,blkdev,default_permissions,uid=10000,gid=100,umask=007,fmask=0117,dmask=0007,noauto 0 0 |
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| 22:08.12 | tsun | hmm |
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| 22:10.07 | tsun | does that give full permissions to the files? like 777? Or it's a regular mount like the OS does automatically when plugged in? |
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| 22:12.14 | heurist | tsun: that sets them 660 and 770 for files and directories respectively |
| 22:12.45 | tsun | heurist: oh nice, do I have to change the uid to something else? Since my user has it on 1000 iirc |
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| 22:13.53 | tsun | After it's saved, all I have to do is reboot or just plug the drive in? |
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| 22:14.19 | heurist | tsun: you will need to tweak those option to suit your situation. look in the manual I mentioned earlier to see what each one does. some may be unnecessary for you. |
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| 22:14.32 | tsun | ah |
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| 22:15.18 | heurist | tsun: no, you will need to manually run mount /mnt/windows/ first. i do not automount anything I plug in, so I do not know how to help you do that part. |
| 22:15.32 | tsun | ah that's fine |
| 22:15.41 | tsun | it's my first time editing fstab so haha |
| 22:15.53 | heurist | tsun: make a backup *first* |
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| 22:16.21 | tsun | ok, someone suggested to try the options using the `-o` in `mount` first before saving the fstab, I'll do that |
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| 22:17.31 | heurist | tsun: good idea. |
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| 22:20.15 | heurist | tsun: you do not need to reboot either. just adding a line to fstab and running mount -a will mount everything in fstab that is not "noauto". since this is noauto you can just add the line and run mount $mountpoint to test it. umount $mountpoint again if you want to adjust options and try again. |
| 22:20.40 | tsun | hmm |
| 22:21.03 | tsun | oh nice umask=022 actually makes it work fine |
| 22:21.10 | tsun | but `ls` is generating the list slowly |
| 22:21.34 | tsun | I sure hope nothing happened to the drive because of unplugging it several times (2 times) or mounting and unmounting :P |
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| 22:23.39 | tsun | I just don't know what umask, fmask and dmask stand for, even though when I was suggested to use `umask=022` for 766, I think it mounted correctly |
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| 22:24.39 | tsun | Thanks a lot for the info though, now I know how to do this correctly :) |
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| 22:29.47 | davls82 | Hi all |
| 22:30.08 | centrx | !hi |
| 22:30.08 | dpkg | hello, centrx |
| 22:30.27 | centrx | dpkg, say hi to davls82 |
| 22:30.28 | dpkg | hi to davls82 |
| 22:30.47 | centrx | !good bot |
| 22:30.48 | dpkg | :), centrx |
| 22:30.59 | davls82 | have to reboot |
| 22:31.03 | centrx | good luck |
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| 22:58.29 | dimitry7 | hello |
| 22:58.41 | dimitry7 | just to wish you a good day guys! |
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| 23:03.49 | benedikt_ | it seems that it is an unliked file that is wasting my space |
| 23:04.16 | benedikt_ | a `dhclient` process has a huge unlinked file |
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| 23:04.57 | benedikt_ | is there any way I can investigate the contents of the (former) file |
| 23:05.01 | benedikt_ | or what the process has been up to? |
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| 23:05.59 | n-st | hi, is there any known issue with the video output on xen guests? my xen guest boots normally, but the video output stop being updated at "Loading initial ramdisk", or "Booting kernel" when i force it into text mode from grub. i can't seem to find anything on this particular issue... |
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| 23:20.22 | juantelez | Hi, I can't see the bottom of the display. |
| 23:20.30 | juantelez | Even using a virtual console. |
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| 23:21.39 | benedikt_ | i have the socket id of a UDP connection |
| 23:21.48 | benedikt_ | how can I see what ip address the other end is connected to? |
| 23:22.09 | mtn | juantelez: laptop or desktop? |
| 23:22.17 | juantelez | mtn: desktop. |
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| 23:22.32 | mtn | juantelez: you probably need to adjust the monitor settings |
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| 23:24.31 | juantelez | mtn: Thanks, I've tried that. It didn't work. |
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| 23:25.08 | mtn | juantelez: probably would have been a good idea to include that info in your original question ;) what video chip do you have? |
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| 23:26.40 | juantelez | mtn: I've recently connected the same monitor to a server running wheezy, the image was good, I'd make update && upgrade and the I'd have the same problem that I have in this desktop. |
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| 23:27.14 | juantelez | mtn: NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] |
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| 23:27.36 | mtn | juantelez: maybe you need to reinstall your video driver. are you using the nvidia driver? |
| 23:27.38 | mwargh_ | test again |
| 23:27.55 | MrFrood | !test |
| 23:27.56 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 23:28.04 | juantelez | mtn: I try whit nouveau and nvidia. |
| 23:28.25 | mtn | juantelez: you say it worked before the upgrade. which driver was it using then? |
| 23:28.28 | mwargh_ | !test |
| 23:28.28 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 23:28.39 | juantelez | mtn: I think nouveau |
| 23:28.48 | juantelez | mtn: I'm not 100% sure. |
| 23:28.51 | mtn | juantelez: and this is running wheezy? |
| 23:28.58 | juantelez | mtn: Yes. |
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| 23:29.10 | juantelez | mtn: A distro based on wheezy |
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| 23:29.12 | mtn | juantelez: nouveau would not have changed during an upgrade |
| 23:29.31 | mtn | juantelez: oops! you are not using debian? we only support debian here. |
| 23:29.41 | juantelez | mtn: :D |
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| 23:31.14 | juantelez | mtn: I have the exact same problem runing Debian Live from a pendrive |
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| 23:32.29 | mwargh | !test |
| 23:32.30 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 23:32.58 | mwargh | sorry, just got 'cant send to channel' error, was figuring it out |
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| 23:34.07 | bigterd | anyone been successful adding extra packages when building their own live distro with lb? |
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| 23:47.32 | kbasher | hi |
| 23:47.38 | kbasher | Using your gamepad as mouse, scroll, click on linux / xorg ! http://pastebin.com/TLY0RqVk |
| 23:47.44 | kbasher | i'd like to share this with you |
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| 23:48.27 | incal | I'm trying to install Debian from a disk, but at the configuration of aptitude it asks from what mirror to get additional stuff, the ones I pick all don't work, and I think it is because I need a password to get online - but the clock stuff work, maybe that bypasses that, somehow? - anyway when installation is done I can't get new software because aptitude update says some signature is NODATA1 and NODATA2 tho /etc/apt/sources.list seem to be in ord |
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| 23:51.04 | mwargh | incal: what kind of password? |
| 23:51.24 | mwargh | incal: switch to another terminal by pressin alt+f2 or some such and ping something |
| 23:51.56 | Cloudka82 | test |
| 23:52.01 | Cloudka82 | ok good still connected ;) |
| 23:53.13 | incal | mwargh: it is a password to get to the net, I'm on a school, so I have username and password - can't ping anything |
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| 23:54.11 | heurist | incal: maybe a proxy password? |
| 23:54.28 | incal | mwargh: normally I use Emacs-w3m to get to the login page but can't do that because Emacs isn't on my minimal install and I can't install anything |
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| 23:54.34 | bigterd | ls |
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| 23:54.47 | incal | heurist: yeah... how does that work usually? |
| 23:55.22 | incal | heurist: it actually asks if there is a HTTP proxy, I know my password and username of course but not how to formulate it in one line like that (if indeed possible) |
| 23:56.03 | incal | heurist: I don't "surf" to the login page it just appears when I go anywhere and not logged in |
| 23:56.07 | heurist | incal: did you enter the details for your proxy? you can enter http://username:password@proxy:port for that iirc |
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