| 00:00.13 | threadlock | ..but will those parts of the project be ripped out so systemd can fit in? |
| 00:00.47 | threadlock | but what about non-x86 platforms? |
| 00:01.24 | shay_shay | !start an init war |
| 00:01.28 | shay_shay | :( |
| 00:01.29 | cynicallemon | again i dont know to be honest, you best find someone that knows debians long term straegy |
| 00:01.56 | threadlock | shay_shay: no, sorry, that's not what I'm interested in |
| 00:02.05 | shay_shay | !start a wm war |
| 00:02.05 | dpkg | fluxbox sucks! |
| 00:02.29 | cynicallemon | dpkg: then try openbox |
| 00:02.30 | dpkg | cynicallemon: are you using Windows? |
| 00:02.40 | threadlock | ah, I thought "!start" was for "don't start" ;) |
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| 00:03.01 | cynicallemon | dpkg: how dare you make that accusation... |
| 00:03.02 | dpkg | cynicallemon: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:03.21 | rtur | I'm making a package that will install a cronjob, it doesn't need root. Is there maybe, per defaul created, user that is meant for such things ? |
| 00:03.22 | shay_shay | blinks |
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| 00:04.07 | themill | presumes the bot has become sentient |
| 00:05.43 | banjo | threadlock: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/08/msg00001.html |
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| 00:07.41 | cynicallemon | "the TC expects maintainers to continue to support the multiple available init systems in Debian." - is that like saying they hope they will? |
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| 00:08.51 | cynicallemon | love this - https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-T0HTiha6064/U-0nrzN_cFI/AAAAAAAAN4w/ofyhVmptczA/w426-h284-no/bd0fb252416206158627fb0b1bff9b4779dca13f.gif |
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| 00:09.20 | KM0201 | !fail |
| 00:09.24 | KM0201 | :) |
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| 00:11.51 | neilthereildeil1 | opposition: i followed the debian guide for setting up a bridge |
| 00:12.33 | threadlock | banjo: thanks |
| 00:12.49 | opposition | you gotta ask a valid question neilthereildeil1 or paste your errors to pastebin |
| 00:12.58 | neilthereildeil1 | http://pastebin.com/v9NkGgCr |
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| 00:13.03 | neilthereildeil1 | thats my interfaces file |
| 00:13.38 | neilthereildeil1 | and when starting networking, it hangs for like 32 secondstrying to get a lease and finally fails |
| 00:13.54 | opposition | im in text mode and cannot click any links sorry |
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| 00:14.57 | opposition | but it usually helps if you paste the errors you are getting |
| 00:15.15 | neilthereildeil1 | opposition: iface xenbr0 inet dhcp bridge_ports wlan0 pre-up iw dev wlan0 set 4addr on up brctl addif xenbr0 wlan0 |
| 00:15.21 | neilthereildeil1 | thats the iface section of the file |
| 00:15.35 | neilthereildeil1 | i am not sure if the prefixes of the last 2 commands are right |
| 00:15.39 | neilthereildeil1 | pre-up and up |
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| 00:15.52 | neilthereildeil1 | i know that i need them to be automatically executed when i bring up the network |
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| 00:19.48 | opposition | if you bring up the interface in a terminal what errors do you get |
| 00:22.11 | opposition | ifup xenbr0 and ifdown xenbr0 |
| 00:22.14 | threadlock | is udev tied to systemd in Jessie? |
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| 00:24.48 | neilthereildeil1 | opposition: it says its waiting for a timeout and DHCP lease |
| 00:25.34 | neilthereildeil1 | opposition: should i have anything in that iface entry for bringing down the interface? |
| 00:25.34 | opposition | sounds like you have a configuration error |
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| 00:25.50 | neilthereildeil1 | opposition: can i PM u? |
| 00:25.54 | neilthereildeil1 | with my config? |
| 00:26.20 | opposition | you better use the channel |
| 00:26.30 | opposition | im also guessing here |
| 00:26.41 | neilthereildeil1 | opposition: ill prolly get kicked if i paste the whole file here |
| 00:27.12 | neilthereildeil1 | i was gonna paste it there and ddiscuss here |
| 00:27.25 | opposition | go for it |
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| 00:27.50 | dunkel2 | hello |
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| 00:28.30 | opposition | but as i said im guessing here so someone else can help you out better im sure |
| 00:29.12 | neilthereildeil1 | thats my config |
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| 00:29.34 | neilthereildeil1 | opposition: please let me know if you see something obviously wrong |
| 00:29.53 | opposition | i would start removing the pre-up line |
| 00:30.10 | opposition | then use ifup and ifdown commands in a terminal |
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| 00:30.32 | neilthereildeil1 | opposition: that worked ffine when i did that |
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| 00:30.39 | neilthereildeil1 | but i wanted to automate it on boot |
| 00:30.53 | neilthereildeil1 | because my cfg would get deleted on every boot |
| 00:31.13 | opposition | then add another 'auto' to your bridge line |
| 00:31.38 | opposition | same as auto lo |
| 00:32.00 | neilthereildeil1 | so "iface xenbr0 inet dhcp auto"? |
| 00:32.09 | opposition | no in front of the line |
| 00:32.17 | neilthereildeil1 | auto iface xenbr0 inet dhcp |
| 00:32.21 | neilthereildeil1 | like that? |
| 00:32.22 | opposition | yup |
| 00:32.26 | neilthereildeil1 | ok |
| 00:32.36 | neilthereildeil1 | and what about the pre-up and up lines? |
| 00:32.39 | neilthereildeil1 | the 2 last lines? |
| 00:32.53 | opposition | if it works like you said then it should work |
| 00:33.43 | opposition | but if you get timeouts then you can try to delete the pre-up and test it |
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| 00:37.47 | opposition | neilthereildeil1: yup |
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| 00:41.06 | sean_1 | Hello everyone, i've been having issues getting the latest nvidia drivers for my system. http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-the-nvidia-331-67-stable-drivers-on-linux-systems/ I follow the advice on this page and, even after invoking apt purge nvidia-driver, it still thinks i have it installed. |
| 00:42.31 | sean_1 | I also added 'deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main' to my source.list file |
| 00:42.56 | sean_1 | and tried updating the driver afterwards, after doing sudo apt update and sudo apt install nvidia-driver. |
| 00:43.08 | sean_1 | seems like it didn't work though since it said it was already up to date? :/ |
| 00:44.09 | jmcnaught | sean_1: those are bad instructions. the correct way to do it is here: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 00:44.47 | centrx | sean_1, Also, remove the sid line from your sources.list unless you intend to upgrade to an unstable pre-release version of Debian. |
| 00:44.55 | jmcnaught | sean_1: also adding the sid/unstable respository to a Wheezy system is a good way to break it. Use the nvidia driver that's in wheezy-backports |
| 00:45.53 | jmcnaught | sean_1: you should maybe also check out https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 00:49.31 | sean_1 | Alright. I'm not sure if I have wheezy-backports. I am fiddling with Linux Mint Debian Edition. I *think* it is almost the same but I'm not quite sure of that :P. I remove the sid line, it didn't work anyway |
| 00:50.03 | G_known | Have anyone here used Openvpn? |
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| 00:50.24 | jmcnaught | dpkg: mint |
| 00:50.25 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 00:51.50 | sean_1 | dpkg: alright, but there is only one person in #linuxmint-help who is active. I have been talking with him. |
| 00:51.51 | dpkg | sean_1: what are you talking about? |
| 00:52.45 | G_known | Question. Is the channel #openvpn active? |
| 00:52.51 | sean_1 | dpkg: Getting X working on the system. |
| 00:52.51 | dpkg | sean_1: I give up, what is it? |
| 00:53.09 | centrx | G_known, It looks inhabited and maintained |
| 00:53.09 | jmcnaught | sean_1: dpkg is a bot |
| 00:53.15 | sean_1 | jmcnaught: oh |
| 00:54.00 | G_known | centrx, but it banned me whenever I'm trying to join and I don't know where to get the approval. |
| 00:54.30 | sean_1 | alright well, nvidia-detect tells me "No NVIDIA GPU detected". *that* can't be good. |
| 00:54.32 | centrx | G_known, identify to your nick? |
| 00:54.55 | themill | sean_1: the #linuxmint-help channel is on a different irc network |
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| 00:55.33 | G_known | centrx, yeah I created and verified my nick recently. |
| 00:55.57 | sean_1 | themill: ah I see its irc.spotchat.org,alright then thank you |
| 00:56.03 | centrx | G_known, Maybe your IP or something was banned by coincidence |
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| 00:56.35 | G_known | centrx, I don't know either. Maybe I'll try again later. |
| 00:56.43 | centrx | G_known, The Web interface is banned from that channel. Use an IRC client program |
| 00:58.02 | G_known | centrx, so I cannot join using freenode webchat, is this intentional? |
| 00:58.38 | centrx | G_known, Presumably they got a lot of pranksters from the Web interface or something |
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| 00:59.38 | G_known | centrx, ok. I'll see what I can do. Thx |
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| 01:12.22 | threadlock | so.. "Waiting for /dev/ to be fully populated..." takes some time.. |
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| 01:45.14 | dvs | !exit |
| 01:45.16 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 01:45.47 | gtaw | Haha |
| 01:46.17 | gtaw | I thought you had to shake it like an Etch-A-Sketch... ;) |
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| 01:47.10 | shay_shay | oh gosh |
| 01:47.33 | ebfull | if ifup eth0 fails to come up, with ifup eth0:1 also fail? |
| 01:47.37 | ebfull | will* |
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| 01:49.06 | shay_shay | does anything understand virtio networking? i have vm running which is supposed to have a private network with the host and NAT to the actual LAN. when I ping the FQDN of the host it goes to 127.0.1.1... has something to do with this entry in /etc/hosts i think |
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| 01:50.25 | shay_shay | but the guest and host have different hostnames so i cant see why when i ping "weena-pc" it says "64 bytes from shawn-pc 127.0.1.1" |
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| 01:51.31 | shay_shay | the problem is i have a squid proxy on the host which is not getting requests, the requests are looping back around to the guest |
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| 03:14.23 | shay_shay | hello |
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| 03:25.54 | neo-laptop | h |
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| 03:35.03 | neo-laptop | is there a way to serve a _separate_ remote desktop from the server's native desktop and controls? (so server could be remoted into, while still in use, without being interrupted)? |
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| 03:36.54 | teololtoy | ssh -X as many instances as you need |
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| 03:39.03 | neo-laptop | interesting. i need to read/learn about ssh. ive always used the apps with GUIs for remote, they always show the same thing on both ends |
| 03:39.06 | neo-laptop | thanks |
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| 03:42.41 | neo-laptop | i suppose RDP is what i have always used |
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| 03:47.35 | inthl | I would like to create some sort of chroot for users who login via ssh or sftp and similar - they should be able to see their own homedirectory and necessary binaries such from /usr/bin, as well as /proc, I assume /dev is also necessary. there are a lot of manuals in the net, many of them out of date. what is a more recent common way to do this? |
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| 04:10.32 | shay_shay | question: in the beginning of the netinstall, when it says "installing base system," is this from apt-get or from the iso? |
| 04:10.52 | themill | debootstrap from the iso |
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| 04:16.16 | shay_shay | crud. i installed squid proxy to speed it up and now i find out it wasnt the network at all |
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| 04:18.20 | Abhijit | why does debian required CD ROM while doing installation via pxe? |
| 04:18.38 | Abhijit | how can i make it not ask for CD and just continue with data from tftp server? |
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| 04:30.27 | cynicallemon | Abhijit: asking for the CD is the default behaviour |
| 04:30.43 | Abhijit | cynicallemon, i am doing pxe installation. |
| 04:30.58 | Abhijit | a remote pxe installation. no physical access. |
| 04:32.38 | cynicallemon | Abhijit: are you using the netboot image? |
| 04:33.01 | Abhijit | cynicallemon, i tried with netboot, cd and dvd - 1 .iso. all ask for cd. |
| 04:33.23 | Abhijit | cynicallemon, where is the logic in debian installed that if i am doing pxe i wont use cd? |
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| 04:37.31 | cynicallemon | Abhijit: take a look at this, http://sirlagz.net/2011/05/10/how-to-setup-a-pxe-boot-server-part-3-installing-debian/ |
| 04:38.05 | Abhijit | goes to read |
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| 04:41.24 | shay_shay | Abhijit Abhijit Abhijit Abhijit: |
| 04:41.41 | Abhijit | cynicallemon, can I ask you few questions? |
| 04:41.48 | Abhijit | shay_shay, yes? |
| 04:42.07 | cynicallemon | Abhijit: you can but im not sure if you will get an answer |
| 04:42.30 | Abhijit | cynicallemon, have you ever installed centos and / or ubuntu throught pxe? |
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| 04:43.07 | cynicallemon | Abhijit: simple answer, no |
| 04:43.23 | Abhijit | cynicallemon, ok. the link you gave me is not what i am looking for. thanks. |
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| 04:45.35 | cynicallemon | Abhijit: personally I would build a working debian system and use something like clonezilla to snapshot and deploy across network |
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| 04:46.21 | cynicallemon | Abhijit: but that might not suit you for what youre doing |
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| 04:46.47 | Abhijit | cynicallemon, did NASA gave access to their patentns to only centos and ubuntu so that only they can create "simple" - "logically followed" - "normal" pxe systems and they did not give access to those patents to debian, and hence debian pxe is so complex and does not actually mean pxe? |
| 04:47.09 | Abhijit | why its so hard for debian? |
| 04:47.13 | themill | eh? |
| 04:47.20 | Abhijit | now you will come. |
| 04:47.26 | Abhijit | but you will not actually solve the problem. |
| 04:47.56 | cynicallemon | Abhijit: so have you consulted the debian wiki? |
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| 04:48.58 | Bitvilag | hey everyone. anyone played with ispconfig recentlY? |
| 04:49.01 | Abhijit | cynicallemon, Please provide me link on debian wiki where it mentioned the procudere for normal installation of debian through pxe without CD. If you can find one that is. |
| 04:49.11 | Abhijit | not the internet installation. |
| 04:49.13 | themill | you mean other than https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall ? |
| 04:49.15 | Abhijit | not the fai. |
| 04:49.34 | cynicallemon | really wonders sometimes |
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| 04:50.33 | Abhijit | themill, it ask "Provide the boot image" and gives link for "netboot" image. Netboot is install from internet. |
| 04:50.42 | themill | no it is not |
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| 04:51.43 | Abhijit | themill, that link means this netboot right http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ ?? |
| 04:52.54 | themill | You keep changing what you actually want... |
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| 04:53.12 | Abhijit | themill, man. that link in your link pointsn to this link. thats the problem from day one .no one belives. |
| 04:53.17 | cynicallemon | Abhijit: if you can read you will note, "You set up a TFTP and a DHCP (or BOOTP, or RARP) server which will serve the installation media to machines on your local network." |
| 04:53.31 | Abhijit | can you pleaose actullay use your mouse or touchpad whatever and cilkc on those link you gave me? themill you will end up here only |
| 04:53.53 | Abhijit | cynicallemon, great. the only thiig missing here is that installation media. where is it? |
| 04:53.55 | themill | First it's "how do I do the installation without needing the CD" now it's "how do I do it without using the internet" ... |
| 04:54.19 | themill | If we can't work out what your question is, we can't answer it. |
| 04:54.28 | Abhijit | themill, have you done centos / ubuntu installation via pxe? |
| 04:54.30 | Bitvilag | lol |
| 04:54.38 | themill | Abhijit: this is #debian. |
| 04:54.47 | Abhijit | themill, are you a bot? |
| 04:55.01 | Bitvilag | So noone here played with ispconfig---:S |
| 04:55.01 | Abhijit | themill, !ping |
| 04:55.25 | themill | Bitvilag: probably not, no |
| 04:55.53 | Bitvilag | unfortunately ispconfig channel is closed for outsiders |
| 04:56.02 | Abhijit | themill, in centos and ubuntu we do pxe installation without cd and withoun internet. only LAN. pxe is about LAN not about internet or CD. can we do that in debian? |
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| 04:56.09 | Abhijit | cynicallemon, ^ |
| 04:56.25 | Abhijit | dont throw the links. if you only really know this stuff then only answer. |
| 04:56.33 | Abhijit | i too can do google otherwise |
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| 04:57.46 | cynicallemon | Abhijit: if thats youre response then go figure it ot yourself |
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| 04:58.08 | Abhijit | cynicallemon, that i am already doing. dont mind replying to me now onwards for this issue. regards. |
| 04:58.20 | themill | can't imagine doing this without having a local mirror in place anyway |
| 04:58.30 | Abhijit | i am talking about local mirror only. |
| 04:58.38 | Abhijit | local mirror do not need internet. only LAN. |
| 04:58.43 | themill | so there's no internet involved. Problem solved. |
| 04:58.47 | Abhijit | exactly. |
| 04:58.50 | cynicallemon | themill: he doesnt want our help, let him sort it out |
| 04:58.58 | themill | cynicallemon: indeed. |
| 04:59.09 | Abhijit | thanks. |
| 04:59.23 | Abhijit | please mind your business. |
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| 05:00.05 | cynicallemon | Abhijit: well i know how to pxe boot debian now, quite simple :) |
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| 05:00.36 | Abhijit | dont start the loop now. you decide not to talk to me. hold the stand. cynicallemon |
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| 05:01.33 | pfsense_rookie | Abhijit, I still can't figure what you mean by LAN only. Are you hosting the repositories on your LAN or do you want to use a proxy hosted on your LAN? |
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| 05:03.15 | Abhijit | pfsense_rookie, its new concept for me that i need to host repositoryes "compulsory" to install pxe debian. in centos/ubuntu i just host iso. no repo for the installation purpose. repo is optional there. pxe installation is done throught LAN hosted iso. no internet / cd involved. |
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| 05:05.37 | pfsense_rookie | Let me have a look at my notes. |
| 05:06.26 | Abhijit | ok |
| 05:07.09 | pfsense_rookie | Abhijit, have you managed to configure the network on the machine where you want to install Debian on? Or in other words, can you see the machine on the network= |
| 05:07.11 | pfsense_rookie | ? |
| 05:07.53 | Abhijit | pfsense_rookie, i am accessing that machine via kvm. it has two nic. one connected to internet, and other nic in private LAN to cobbler server. this cobbler server is installing linux using dhcp and tftp |
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| 05:14.10 | Abhijit | pfsense_rookie, and before trying debian, i have successfully installed centos and uubuntu so many times, using cobbler on the same setup. |
| 05:14.25 | Abhijit | no one asked cd. |
| 05:14.31 | themill | maybe you could actually tell us what the setup is |
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| 05:15.54 | Abhijit | themill, i am accessing that machine via kvm. it has two nic. one connected to internet, and other nic in private LAN to cobbler server. this cobbler server is installing linux using dhcp and tftp |
| 05:16.07 | pfsense_rookie | Abhijit, I was trying to see where you are getting stuck at through the chat history. Are you having an issue during the debian-installer procedure? |
| 05:16.14 | themill | that doesn't say much about what your tftp layout is or what you're passing the kernel |
| 05:16.42 | Abhijit | pfsense_rookie, yes. it asks me to select CD ROM drive. which i dont to give. because i want to get all data from the iso i hosted in my tftp |
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| 05:17.09 | Abhijit | themill, my tftp holds iso for centos, ubuntu and debian. |
| 05:17.33 | themill | Feel free not to tell us. |
| 05:18.31 | Abhijit | themill, which tftp configuration you want me to tell? tell me the file names i will pastebin |
| 05:18.55 | themill | What are you actually passing to the kernel? |
| 05:19.47 | Abhijit | themill, Kernel Options : {'priority': 'critical', 'auto': 'true', 'url': 'http://192.168.1.1/debian.seed'} |
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| 05:20.17 | Abhijit | themill, i got these options from the cobbler conf. there are more options to the kernel once it actually boot. i will have to manully look at the screen and then type them here |
| 05:20.23 | Abhijit | shall i do that? |
| 05:20.36 | Abhijit | its kvm screen. so no idea how to copy paste from there to here |
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| 05:21.11 | themill | well you need to be telling the kernel what it's supposed to load by way of initrd |
| 05:21.42 | Abhijit | themill, this is initrd option Initrd : /var/www/cobbler/ks_mirror/debdvd-x86_64/install.amd/initrd.gz |
| 05:22.14 | themill | so you're specifically passing an initrd out of a DVD image and wondering why it then wants the dvd? |
| 05:22.19 | cynicallemon | dum de do |
| 05:22.43 | andy-c | I'm trying to manually verify Release / Release.gpg . I am getting different results with wheezy vs wheezy-updates. See: http://pastebin.com/J2tyDamd |
| 05:22.54 | andy-c | here is the output : http://pastebin.com/WmdZuGXR |
| 05:23.00 | Abhijit | themill, my bad with deb dvd and cd. what about netinst. iso ? Initrd : /var/www/cobbler/ks_mirror/debnetinst-x86_64/install.amd/initrd.gz |
| 05:23.13 | themill | Abhijit: You need to tell the kernel to pick up the iso image as the initrd. It's a hybrid image. |
| 05:23.25 | andy-c | wheezy verification fails, but wheezy-updates verification succeeds. are they supposed to be signed with different keys? |
| 05:23.31 | Abhijit | themill, how can i do that? |
| 05:23.40 | andy-c | I am using the wheezy key from https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html |
| 05:23.48 | themill | Abhijit: Using your documentation for your tftp client. |
| 05:24.03 | Abhijit | so this is tftp issue and not a debian issue. |
| 05:24.18 | Abhijit | very bad of centos and ubuntu doing this out of the box. |
| 05:24.37 | themill | umm... it's your weirdo configuration there |
| 05:24.53 | themill | andy-c: the first output shows two signatures one of which is good, the other is pubkey not found |
| 05:25.10 | Abhijit | what was that grape and fox? |
| 05:25.19 | andy-c | themill: right, I don't understand why as I'm using the same key |
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| 05:25.41 | andy-c | the only difference between the two runs is whether i'm verifying wheezy or wheezy-updates |
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| 05:26.22 | themill | andy-c: yeah, the SRMs only sign the wheezy Release file (it's a manual process) and not the wheezy-updates one. If you were to import key 65FFB764 then you'd be able to verify that both signatures were OK |
| 05:26.50 | andy-c | how do I know it should be 65FF... ? |
| 05:26.58 | andy-c | it is actually the wheezy one that fails. wheezy-updates succeeds |
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| 05:27.11 | pdelgado | hello fellas |
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| 05:27.38 | themill | andy-c: gpg has just told you that it's the key that it was signed with. |
| 05:28.01 | andy-c | ah OK I see |
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| 05:28.13 | andy-c | what is the normal procedure to get that key then? |
| 05:28.45 | pfsense_rookie | Abhijit, what files do you have on your netboot Directory? |
| 05:28.46 | themill | You'll see it's called "Wheezy stable release key" and it is signed by the SRMs. It should be in the /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg keyring which is in the debian-keyring package. |
| 05:28.56 | pdelgado | trying to install Debian on an old MacBook (2007) - Downloaded the iso image, burned it, booted from cd (after using rEFIt - installation doesn't begin because I end up with a screen that just reads "Select CD-ROM Boot Type: " ... and everything dies. I hear its a problem with EFI but I have no idea what that means. Any pointers? |
| 05:30.43 | andy-c | themill: OK thanks. so basically I need to trust /usr/share/keyrings/debian-*.gpg . I don't understand what -role- and -archive etc. are |
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| 05:31.01 | Abhijit | pfsense_rookie, ls images/debnetinst-x86_64/ |
| 05:31.03 | Abhijit | initrd.gz vmlinuz |
| 05:31.03 | andy-c | e.g. there are multiple keyrings. is there any doc on what keyring is for what? |
| 05:31.20 | themill | andy-c: role keys are keys generate for a specific role within debian e.g. Stable Release Manager. archive keys are the ones that apt should be told to trust. |
| 05:31.53 | themill | andy-c: /usr/share/doc/debian-keyring/README.gz |
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| 05:33.01 | andy-c | OK great! Thanks for the pointers. that helps a lot |
| 05:33.39 | themill | andy-c: you've imported the archive-key over https (I assume you trust https!) and now you can get from there to verifying the debian-keyring package through gpg signatures and sha*sums. |
| 05:33.42 | themill | dpkg: tell andy-c about secure apt |
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| 05:34.04 | themill | andy-c: the process is tedious but easy enough to do manually. apt does this all for you normally. |
| 05:35.23 | andy-c | right, I am doing some hacking on debootstrap and thus doing it manually |
| 05:35.30 | themill | fun |
| 05:36.16 | pfsense_rookie | Everything you should need is in Debian's FTP server in the directory netboot/netboot.tar.gz for whatever version you want to install(i.e http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/). THen it should be just a matter of extracting the tarball into the tftpd boot image directory. Make sure your dhcp server is configured to pass pxelinux.0 to tftp as the file name to boot from. Can you try this? |
| 05:36.31 | andy-c | not exactly fun but I have it basically working :) just wanted to get the security right too |
| 05:37.06 | Abhijit | pfsense_rookie, i will try this. it if took more time i will memoserv you the updates. |
| 05:37.18 | andy-c | fwiw, what I want is to be able to store the Release/indices in version control, and then get the .debs from pool/ |
| 05:37.29 | andy-c | so basically splitting the metadata and data |
| 05:38.16 | andy-c | it is pretty useful and neither apt or debootstrap can do that |
| 05:38.28 | themill | andy-c: there was work at storing the Packages and Sources files in git and using that to generate the pdiffs. The volume of data was sufficiently hideous that it made git die |
| 05:38.40 | pfsense_rookie | Abhijit, thank you. |
| 05:38.48 | andy-c | yes, that is basically what I'm doing |
| 05:39.05 | andy-c | it doesn't seem that big for just wheezy, wheezy-updates, and security ?? |
| 05:39.16 | themill | andy-c: yeah, that's a much easier proposition. |
| 05:39.48 | andy-c | do you have pointers to that effort? interested to see what happened |
| 05:39.56 | andy-c | just the text files made git die? |
| 05:40.39 | themill | andy-c: for 14 architectures across 5 releases... You'd have to search around the dak or debian-ftp mailing lists about 2 or 3 years ago |
| 05:41.06 | themill | And keeping the previous 30-odd sets of files. |
| 05:41.10 | andy-c | OK yeah, that would be quite big |
| 05:41.42 | themill | andy-c: I had success in parsing the pdiffs to provide a list of changed files but you need both the pdiff and the *old* Packages file. |
| 05:41.57 | themill | that made it overly fragile |
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| 05:44.36 | andy-c | my bare .git repo is about 140 M for (i386, amd64, source) * (wheezy, wheezy-updates, wheezy-security) doing a daily import for just about 2 months |
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| 05:45.05 | andy-c | it seems to be holding up but I think git will probably have problems in the 2-10 GB range |
| 05:45.47 | pfsense_rookie | Abhijit, as a last resort you may want to install tftpd-hpa, wich is suggested package for a TFTP server (at least for Debian severs) and lastly a physical machine instead of a virtual system. I am not very in touch with KVM. |
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| 05:46.20 | Abhijit | pfsense_rookie, i am using tftp-hpa only. and with physical machine only. this kvm is there so that i can access that physical server from internet |
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| 05:47.59 | pfsense_rookie | Abhijit, is there any progress? |
| 05:48.18 | Abhijit | pfsense_rookie, not yet. |
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| 05:48.54 | pdelgado | any pointers on installing debian on a macbook? |
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| 05:55.22 | cynicallemon | pdelgado: assuming its intel based then i dont hink so |
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| 05:56.00 | pfsense_rookie | Abhijit, I believe this is where PXE booting is best covered. Have a look at it if you haven't: https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall . It has some basic troubleshooting there. |
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| 05:56.17 | Abhijit | pfsense_rookie, ok |
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| 05:56.28 | pfsense_rookie | pfsense_rookie, but it's still more than what I can remember from the top of my head. |
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| 05:56.35 | neilthereildeil | hey guys |
| 05:56.48 | neilthereildeil | ive been trying to get my network bridge working all weekend, but its still not working |
| 05:57.01 | cynicallemon | ah full circle with pxe i see... |
| 05:57.06 | TyrfingMjolnir | neilthereildeil: |
| 05:57.18 | TyrfingMjolnir | network bridge? |
| 05:57.21 | TyrfingMjolnir | Where |
| 05:57.38 | TyrfingMjolnir | Using what? ip route2? Or vbox? |
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| 05:58.27 | neilthereildeil | can someone please hyea? |
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| 05:58.27 | neilthereildeil | yea? |
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| 06:02.21 | ochiottes | neilthereildeil1: if you show your /etc/network/interfaces i'll have a quick look at it |
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| 06:02.54 | hanj | hey guys |
| 06:02.58 | hanj | this is neilthereildeil |
| 06:03.05 | hanj | i got diisconnected on the test machine |
| 06:03.10 | hanj | but i am trying to set up a bride |
| 06:03.16 | hanj | bridge |
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| 06:03.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections |
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| 06:03.44 | TyrfingMjolnir | hanj: https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections |
| 06:03.45 | hanj | TyrfingMjolnir: yea i already followed that |
| 06:03.51 | hanj | thats how i set up the bridge |
| 06:04.13 | hanj | its a bridge over my wireless connection |
| 06:04.35 | hanj | but when i bring the bridge up, my wlan0 interface goes down... |
| 06:04.38 | hanj | its really wierd |
| 06:04.52 | TyrfingMjolnir | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-network-interfaces-bridge-eth0-eth1-eth2/ |
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| 06:05.02 | TyrfingMjolnir | So you need help searching for the mistake you made |
| 06:05.10 | TyrfingMjolnir | I think it will be quicker doing it over again |
| 06:05.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | from scratch |
| 06:05.19 | hanj | pastebin.com/v9NkGgCr |
| 06:05.23 | hanj | thats my file |
| 06:05.26 | hanj | interfaces |
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| 06:06.39 | ochiottes | hanj: not all wifi chips support bridging |
| 06:07.01 | hanj | ochiottes: i got it working earlier when i dont automate it |
| 06:07.27 | hanj | do you all see anything wrong with my config? |
| 06:07.51 | TyrfingMjolnir | cat .bash_history |
| 06:07.55 | TyrfingMjolnir | and see what worked |
| 06:08.26 | TyrfingMjolnir | also output from route -n could be of interest |
| 06:08.28 | hanj | it works if i comment out the last 2 lines in interfaces as posted, and type them manually into the command line |
| 06:08.39 | TyrfingMjolnir | OK |
| 06:08.53 | TyrfingMjolnir | This leads me to think there is a typo somewhere? |
| 06:09.03 | TyrfingMjolnir | Or 2 different forms of keying it in |
| 06:09.12 | TyrfingMjolnir | for command line and config |
| 06:09.30 | hanj | pastebin.com/9pgAEVPj |
| 06:09.40 | hanj | thats th output of route -n |
| 06:09.50 | hanj | ok so i rebooted the machine |
| 06:09.54 | TyrfingMjolnir | What you wrote next made that part not so interesting |
| 06:09.54 | hanj | the wireless works |
| 06:10.03 | hanj | TyrfingMjolnir: ? |
| 06:10.24 | TyrfingMjolnir | It works when you manually add the bridge on the command line? |
| 06:10.34 | hanj | yea it did |
| 06:10.36 | hanj | i can try it again |
| 06:10.38 | TyrfingMjolnir | I would do as follows |
| 06:10.45 | TyrfingMjolnir | manually add the 2 last lines |
| 06:10.45 | hanj | ill type those last 2 lines in again |
| 06:10.59 | TyrfingMjolnir | then to ifconfig name of bridge |
| 06:11.26 | hanj | TyrfingMjolnir: so ill manully type in those last 2 lines |
| 06:11.35 | TyrfingMjolnir | yes |
| 06:11.35 | hanj | and then tell u what ifconfig says |
| 06:11.40 | TyrfingMjolnir | Yes please |
| 06:11.46 | TyrfingMjolnir | or better |
| 06:11.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | you pastebin it |
| 06:11.59 | TyrfingMjolnir | and then you confirm it working or not |
| 06:12.06 | TyrfingMjolnir | then do the automated way |
| 06:12.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | and you see if there is a diff in ifconfig |
| 06:13.17 | hanj | hmm |
| 06:13.24 | hanj | when i type the last line, it says xenbr0 doesnt exist |
| 06:13.31 | hanj | should i just ifup xenbr0? |
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| 06:14.06 | hanj | lol wtf |
| 06:14.11 | hanj | my laptop just crashed... |
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| 06:14.41 | hanj | damn, this is shitty |
| 06:15.35 | hanj | ok i just rebooted |
| 06:15.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | What do I know |
| 06:16.03 | hanj | TyrfingMjolnir: given the interfaces file i shared on pastebin, how should i proceed now that i have wirelsss working after a reboot? |
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| 06:16.26 | TyrfingMjolnir | diff the ifconfig of the 2 approaches |
| 06:16.42 | hanj | so im saying manually typing it in doesnt work anymore |
| 06:16.58 | hanj | and i have just rebooted |
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| 06:17.49 | hanj | since my interfaces file has xenbr0 defined, would i just do "ifup xenbr0"? |
| 06:19.57 | TyrfingMjolnir | if you want do add this manually |
| 06:21.15 | TyrfingMjolnir | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/BRIDGE-STP-HOWTO/set-up-the-bridge.html |
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| 06:26.41 | ethugg | very newbie here, any of you, so new to command line, just wanting them mp3s going to chill out so you can RTFM, entertain first installing Debian, then finding you probably want to purge pulseaudio for ALSA? 7 hours later, I've probably broken my installation with copy&pasting commands into a terminal as root, forever modifying, at least, the OCD side of me thinks |
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| 06:29.02 | cynicallemon | ethugg: sounds like an average debian use then :) |
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| 06:30.18 | cynicallemon | ethugg: so what exactly is the problem - if you have one of course... |
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| 06:31.38 | ethugg | I'm more frustrated trying to get Insert mode on VI right, being newb and all, I don't know, sounds all chirpy, considering sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio |
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| 06:33.27 | ethugg | http://howto.blbosti.com/2010/04/ubuntu-make-alsa-default-instead-of-pulseaudio -- yea, I think I'm on the right track |
| 06:33.52 | cynicallemon | ESC+I for insert/editing mode |
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| 06:35.55 | cynicallemon | ethugg: just purge pulse and make sure alsa-utils package is there |
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| 06:37.24 | cynicallemon | ethugg: you can call alsamixer from the command line to alter volume or add one of those gui mixers as per that web article |
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| 06:39.47 | ethugg | now to get out of windows and change my boot sequence (UEFI) in cmos, [Debian on its own 120gig SSD), unidealismss, thanks I'll make sure alsa-utils, mann this linux stuff is making me breakout a physical notepad and actual (!) ballpoint pen :) |
| 06:40.12 | cynicallemon | lol |
| 06:40.18 | zl2tod | it aint really programming unless you use a pencil |
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| 06:41.11 | rryoumaa | purging pulse sounds like it might be a good way to get rid of the flood of errors in my logs |
| 06:41.20 | rryoumaa | what does one /lose/ by purging pulse? |
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| 06:47.40 | cynicallemon | rryoumaa: i dont think you lose anything really but im not everyone |
| 06:48.14 | rryoumaa | i wonder why it exists then |
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| 06:49.53 | scottj | I think it's necessary for a UI like pavucontrol where you see all your audio producing apps and can control their volumes individually from that centralized UI. value of that is debateable. |
| 06:51.10 | cynicallemon | scottj: agreed but i can do without it |
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| 06:52.28 | scottj | without pulseaudio, if you turn up the volume in one app does that increase the volume in all your other apps? |
| 06:53.10 | cynicallemon | scottj: i think so |
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| 06:53.47 | cynicallemon | scottj: but then again your volumes depend on the actual media you play mostly |
| 06:54.12 | scottj | if so, I think that's a big benefit |
| 06:54.20 | scottj | here's another I found, "Ability to change which output device an application plays sound through while the application is playing sound (without the application needing to support this" |
| 06:54.36 | scottj | comes into play when you dock/undock your laptop I think |
| 06:54.54 | cynicallemon | scottj: and i dont know too many people that listen to several audio sessions at once |
| 06:55.12 | scottj | cynicallemon: I do very frequently |
| 06:55.26 | rgr | not at once but you cycle between apps which use audio eg game to youtbube to radio app. |
| 06:56.14 | scottj | sometimes I have 5+ mplayer sessions running, normally all but one or two paused, but even then it's an important feature |
| 06:56.43 | cynicallemon | rgr: again you might have several mp3's playing in a media player, each of which maybe recorded at different audio levels |
| 06:57.12 | rgr | sure. obviously. Everything has different recording levels. A real pain with CDs. |
| 06:57.31 | rgr | and why its important to have different volume levels for each instance/app. |
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| 06:58.03 | scottj | cynicallemon: sure, it doesn't solve all volume difference problems, but it solves the biggest. the difference between a movie and a song and a lecture is normally larger than the difference between a bunch of songs, afaict. |
| 06:58.29 | shay_shay | rgr off topic |
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| 06:58.46 | cynicallemon | scottj: old timer here, give me a physical volume contol knob |
| 06:58.55 | rgr | shay_shay: I beg your pardon? |
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| 06:59.35 | rgr | cynicallemon: a physical volume knob doesnt easily allow you to set different volumes for the different apps and their decoding. |
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| 07:00.57 | cynicallemon | rgr: no true but my needs are simple, i can only listen to one thing at once |
| 07:01.05 | scottj | without pulse can one app be muted and another not? |
| 07:01.17 | rgr | So do I... you cycle between apps.... |
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| 07:01.44 | rgr | And basing a design for generic user SW based on your own simple needs is not really the way ;) |
| 07:02.08 | cynicallemon | scottj: yeah, stopped or pause that media :) |
| 07:02.32 | scottj | cynicallemon: what do you mean? |
| 07:02.43 | cynicallemon | rgr: absolutely true but im not a software designer |
| 07:02.45 | scottj | by stopped or pause.. |
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| 07:03.16 | cynicallemon | scottj: you asked if you can mute an app |
| 07:03.39 | rryoumaa | if you only /listen/ to one thing at a time, but you have a few vlc sessions, n-1 of which are paused, do you need pulse? |
| 07:03.49 | scottj | cynicallemon: like can you be playing a video muted and have another app playing audio non-muted without pulse? |
| 07:04.21 | scottj | rryoumaa: only if you want them all to have different volumes and remember those volumes when you resume, I THINK |
| 07:04.23 | cynicallemon | scottj: why would you play a muted video? |
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| 07:04.44 | scottj | cynicallemon: I do it all the time. soccer, basketball, starcraft matches. then I listen to an audiobook or something during it |
| 07:04.48 | rryoumaa | bah, i will ditch that just to get rid of all the pulse issues :) thanks. |
| 07:05.07 | cynicallemon | scottj: truly weird :) |
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| 07:05.31 | cynicallemon | rryoumaa: hope that works for you :) |
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| 07:07.45 | cynicallemon | simple is sometimes the best |
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| 07:09.59 | cynicallemon | for me on this laptop, the only advantage in having pulse on it is the fact i can crank the audio levels up past 100% - the speakers in this lappy are fairly quiet |
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| 07:57.42 | antivirtel | hello all! I want to use a socket file elsewhere in the filesystem (unfortunately, I have no root, and the old location is public - system-wide, not world-wide.) but temporary, till the root responds, I want to link to the new location. `ln' both with hard or soft link won't solve the problem. What else can I do? |
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| 08:11.43 | NiLon | socket file aka unix socket? |
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| 08:33.00 | newbieAlert | hi. is there anyway to make all the cores of processor idle except the current one and execute only one process by waking up one of the idle processors. |
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| 08:34.32 | ompaul | write your own kernel |
| 08:34.40 | ompaul | disable multicore |
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| 08:39.47 | NiLon | newbieAlert I would be very interested to know why |
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| 08:41.56 | newbieAlert | NiLon: scheduler's redblack tree in realtime. |
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| 08:42.52 | hramrach | hello |
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| 08:43.02 | hramrach | how do I tell what Debian uses to preview images? |
| 08:43.06 | newbieAlert | NiLon: i want to get scheduler's data in realtime. |
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| 08:43.52 | ompaul | hramrach: you can do it with many tools, start by talking about the desktop and version you are using |
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| 08:44.43 | hramrach | I am not using desktop and I am using wheezy I think |
| 08:45.18 | hramrach | when I press Enter in mc on an image an unknown fucked up program shows up instead of my image viewer |
| 08:46.32 | ompaul | hramrach: so basically your question is not about debian but about mc and does it use helpers for images I don't know |
| 08:46.50 | hramrach | it does not have an about dialog I could find and uses the image name for the window name in X11\ |
| 08:47.07 | NiLon | newbieAlert are you trying to reverse engineer something or what? :D |
| 08:47.36 | hramrach | the helpers are set up by debian so how do I check what is set up |
| 08:48.29 | hramrach | ok, I used different X11 xprop instead of xwininfo and it tells me that the command that spawned the window is feh |
| 08:48.31 | newbieAlert | :D nope. i just want to construct scheduler's redblack using graphics with details of each process being shown. |
| 08:48.43 | newbieAlert | NiLon: ^^ |
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| 08:49.27 | hramrach | so why does debian use feh for previewing images? how is that configured? |
| 08:49.46 | NiLon | newbieAlert well I guess you need custom kernel for that then |
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| 08:51.27 | newbieAlert | NiLon: kernel has already became custom if you can access the runqueues ;) ;) i just need to know the procedure to make a process run on a single core while whole scheduler uses just one core. help!!! |
| 08:51.42 | ompaul | hramrach: no clue because I run X and let it manage it then I manage launchers within that |
| 08:52.17 | newbieAlert | NiLon: scheduler's core != process's core. |
| 08:52.19 | ompaul | hramrach: I don't have a need to look at images on terminal but if I did I'd use a program with the name pornview |
| 08:52.44 | ompaul | newbieAlert: read this and wonder https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/scheduler/sched-design-CFS.txt |
| 08:53.07 | ompaul | hramrach: and I'd not be launching them from mc |
| 08:53.30 | newbieAlert | ompaul: thanx. but thats not what i am looking for. |
| 08:53.37 | ompaul | locate jpeg | xargs pornview or something like that it might not work |
| 08:53.43 | newbieAlert | have already gone thru it. |
| 08:53.55 | ompaul | newbieAlert: so your nick isn't true :) |
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| 08:54.40 | newbieAlert | ompaul: well, a newbie who has done his homework. :) |
| 08:54.43 | babilen | newbieAlert: I would strongly recommend to seek suppot for that issue in a more kernel development related channel. You question has very little to do with Debian and it is more likely to find people that are dealing with this on a more regular basis can be found in other channels. |
| 08:55.11 | newbieAlert | babilen: please name some of the channels. |
| 08:55.40 | babilen | newbieAlert: Ah, you seem to be new to IRC too. Why not start with "/msg alis list *kernel*" and take it from there? |
| 08:56.05 | hramrach | I run X too |
| 08:56.12 | newbieAlert | babilen: thanx. |
| 08:56.14 | ompaul | newbieAlert: #kernelnewbies |
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| 08:56.23 | ompaul | start there and work to your level |
| 08:56.32 | newbieAlert | ompaul: thanx. |
| 08:56.33 | hramrach | and for some reason Debian decided that feh is decent image viewer and it should preview images in that |
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| 08:56.47 | hramrach | that program is not configurable at all |
| 08:56.54 | babilen | newbieAlert: My recommendation would, however, be the excellent #kernelnewbies channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 08:57.53 | hramrach | I can change the mime entries shipped with feh and rebuild the database to show the image scaled to sane size but why it's feh and none of the saner viewers what Debian chooses is a mystery |
| 08:58.17 | ompaul | hramrach: are you running a terminal in X? |
| 08:58.23 | hramrach | yes |
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| 08:59.00 | ompaul | hramrach: so mc has handed on the handling of the image to a program that your DE / WM uses |
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| 08:59.15 | ompaul | that's your configuration point |
| 08:59.18 | hramrach | I have no DE |
| 08:59.26 | ompaul | then you are in X and you have a window manager |
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| 08:59.34 | hramrach | yes, that I do |
| 08:59.39 | ompaul | so I said |
| 08:59.43 | ompaul | DE / WM |
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| 08:59.57 | ompaul | now go look at the configs for that WM |
| 08:59.59 | hramrach | it's a window manager. it manages windows. not viewers |
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| 09:00.10 | ompaul | which one is it? |
| 09:00.15 | hramrach | xmonad |
| 09:00.34 | ompaul | oh to live in a minimalist world |
| 09:01.57 | hramrach | I have for example imagemagick and geequie installed |
| 09:02.05 | antivirtel | NiLon yeah, it is a rTorrent XMLRPC socket |
| 09:02.11 | ompaul | hramrach: imagemagick is not a viewer |
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| 09:02.33 | hramrach | imagemagick is heavyweight but its viewer can do scaling to window size by default |
| 09:02.34 | ompaul | ,v geequie |
| 09:02.36 | judd | No package named 'geequie' was found in i386. |
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| 09:02.43 | ompaul | are you even running debian |
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| 09:03.08 | hramrach | ,v geeqie |
| 09:03.09 | judd | Package: geeqie on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.0-7; wheezy: 1:1.0-10.1; sid: 1:1.1-8+b1 |
| 09:03.18 | ompaul | ah ha |
| 09:03.21 | ompaul | not what I got |
| 09:03.21 | hramrach | sorry, typo |
| 09:03.22 | fattratt | Hello. I'm still having problems booting debian. I got the latest wheezy install disk but it gives me the same problem as I was having with squeeze. This has been a problem since about mid August. Prior to some update done then the system booted without a problem. I get 'Waiting for dev to be populated' then 'Driver 'pcspkr' is already registered, aborting ...' I don't have the logs available, but with some effort I can repeat the error and get the |
| 09:03.22 | fattratt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.02 | fattratt | Has anyone else been having problems like this? |
| 09:04.03 | ompaul | hramrach: its not going to be much use unless you launch it independantly in X as it is an image viewer using GTK+ |
| 09:04.18 | fattratt | Is there a place where I can file an official bug report? |
| 09:04.26 | hramrach | but why? |
| 09:04.40 | hramrach | I have usable viewers and Debian chooses the one unusable I have |
| 09:04.52 | ompaul | because tiling wms are not going to scale |
| 09:05.02 | ompaul | try it in gnome or the lxde or something |
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| 09:05.31 | ompaul | they suffer from the fibonacci layout |
| 09:05.35 | hramrach | no. it's the viewer that refuses to scale unless you pass it a command line argument that is not passed to it by the mime entry |
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| 09:06.18 | ompaul | hramrach: you need to talk to someone who knows something more of xmonad and mc at the same time |
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| 09:07.18 | hramrach | no. xmonad has nothing to do with that. and mc should use some debian-wide mime infrastructure. and it does as changing the mime entries shipped with feh changes what it shows |
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| 09:09.53 | hramrach | fattratt: the pcspkr error is normal. I get it in my logs on machines that boot without problems. You need to look for other cause |
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| 09:10.32 | fattratt | Thanks, hrmarach. After the pcspkr msg, the screen goes blank and the system hangs. |
| 09:11.28 | hramrach | the initramfs is asynchronous to some extent so the error might come earlier or not at all - it might be attemting to load all hardware drivers in order to get to your root drive and it never will if the driver is not in the initramfs and will even not print an error other than it could not fing the root drive |
| 09:11.49 | ompaul | hramrach: invoke this and see what happens Nautilus |
| 09:11.56 | hramrach | fattratt: then try disabling modesetting |
| 09:12.16 | antivirtel | Again! I want to use a socket(rTorrent XMLRPC) file elsewhere in the filesystem (unfortunately, I have no root, and the old location is public - system-wide, not world-wide.) but temporary, till the root responds, I want to link to the new location. `ln' both with hard or soft link won't solve the problem. What else can I do? |
| 09:12.28 | hramrach | not sure what invocation is used atm but your system probably crashes when graphics driver is loadded |
| 09:12.55 | ompaul | fattratt: what kind of video card has it got |
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| 09:13.06 | fattratt | hrmarach - how do I disable modesetting? |
| 09:13.08 | smss1995 | Hello |
| 09:13.11 | babilen | fattratt: Try editing the grub command line by pressing "e" on top of it and then remove the "quiet" from it. Boot with F10. That might give us a better idea of what is going on. Which graphic card is that? Does it boot in recovery mode? Does it boot if you add " nomodeset" to the kernel command line? What about " acpi=off" ? |
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| 09:13.31 | smss1995 | I'm trying to setup a debian repository, Can anyone help me? |
| 09:13.35 | babilen | fattratt: That would be the " nomodeset" i've just suggested. |
| 09:13.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell smss1995 -about reprepro |
| 09:13.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell smss1995 -about own repo |
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| 09:14.53 | hramrach | fattratt: so disable the modesetting. |
| 09:14.56 | smss1995 | I want to use debian scripts, ftpsync, runmirrors, etc , to a PushPrimary mirror |
| 09:15.06 | smss1995 | babilen: ^ |
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| 09:15.35 | babilen | smss1995: What do you mean by "to a PushPrimary mirror" ? |
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| 09:16.07 | smss1995 | to *be* a PushPrimary |
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| 09:16.32 | hramrach | ompaul: invoke what? |
| 09:16.53 | hramrach | I do not have nautilus but it should do the same as mc |
| 09:17.23 | smss1995 | babilen: I'm in an Organization and we want to mirror officially in order to use it in our country and in our Geo Area :), So I want to setup a Push Primary Mirror |
| 09:17.27 | hramrach | I definitely have a X11 file manager but don't know which one |
| 09:18.09 | fattratt | lspci tells me that I have a VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corportatioin C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a] (rev a2) |
| 09:18.10 | babilen | smss1995: You want to become an official mirror for Debian? |
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| 09:18.23 | smss1995 | babilen: Yes |
| 09:18.47 | hramrach | fattratt: so it should work if you install firmware-linux-nonfree or such |
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| 09:18.51 | babilen | smss1995: Okay, I'll get you the documentation about that in a second, but you will want to discuss that in #debian-mirrors. |
| 09:18.56 | hramrach | if it does not it is a bug |
| 09:19.05 | hramrach | ,v firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 09:19.07 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.41~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; sid/non-free: 0.43 |
| 09:19.28 | babilen | smss1995: https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
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| 09:19.43 | hramrach | if it was an onboard radeon it might be a feature that it does not work ;-) |
| 09:21.26 | smss1995 | babilen: before you gave me that link, I read all of them and configure ftprsync script (I think not completely), and now, I have some problems with it |
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| 09:22.03 | smss1995 | babilen: No anybody joined to #debian-mirrors, is it correct? |
| 09:22.14 | smss1995 | #mirrors-debian |
| 09:22.23 | smss1995 | etc?? |
| 09:22.35 | babilen | smss1995: No, the channel is, with the rest of the official ones, on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) -- Sorry for not mentioned that. |
| 09:23.09 | babilen | smss1995: And, just as a small tip, if you already have a problem then ask about *that* rather than "I'm trying to setup a debian repository, Can anyone help me?" |
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| 09:23.49 | babilen | smss1995: Provide as much detail as you can (e.g. use http://paste.debian.net to paste configuration files, commands and errors). Be precise in what you did and what you expected to happen. |
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| 09:23.56 | smss1995 | babilen: ok, Thanks :) I Accepted your tip :) |
| 09:24.17 | babilen | A question such as yours sort of implies "Hi, I just came up with the idea to setup a Debian mirror. How would I do that?" |
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| 09:24.46 | smss1995 | babilen: :))))))))))) ok, I got it :D |
| 09:24.59 | babilen | (I still think that asking in #debian-mirrors would be a good idea. I'm more familiar with reprepro rather than the setup you are aiming for) |
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| 09:29.04 | hramrach | ompaul where did you get pornview? Are you running debian at all? |
| 09:29.12 | ompaul | apt-cache search |
| 09:29.18 | ompaul | it used to be in the repos |
| 09:29.21 | hramrach | no result |
| 09:29.32 | hramrach | I have it in app-install-data only |
| 09:29.33 | ompaul | ha someone changed the name |
| 09:29.49 | hramrach | to? |
| 09:30.26 | hramrach | ,v pornview |
| 09:30.27 | judd | Package: pornview on i386 -- squeeze: 0.2pre1-11 |
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| 09:30.53 | hramrach | indeed. has been removed |
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| 09:32.48 | ompaul | ah well I guess apt-cache search image and some judicious other key words might help but you are in unexplored territory for me |
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| 09:33.02 | ompaul | you could point your web browser at the file system |
| 09:33.21 | ompaul | not all horses suit all courses |
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| 09:34.27 | hramrach | I have image viewers. it's just Debian selects an unusable one so I guess installing one more might be helpful |
| 09:35.30 | hramrach | I think I just need to bump priority for geequie or lower priority for feh |
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| 09:36.31 | hramrach | no. does not work |
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| 09:45.04 | augustl | hey folks. What's the easiest way to get Kernel 3.13 or newer on a fresh debian install? I've found a few guides for compiling the kernel myself, is that the way to go? |
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| 09:47.47 | augustl | found this but seems like it's something I shouldn't use :) https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/kernel-image-3.14-0.bpo.2-amd64-di |
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| 09:48.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell augustl -about bdo kernel |
| 09:49.28 | Eleganza | hi, I need to downgrade libc6 from 2.19 to 2.13 (the version in stable) |
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| 09:49.34 | Eleganza | but I can't |
| 09:50.00 | Eleganza | because when I click force version in synaptic it says it is going to remove a lot of programs |
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| 09:50.08 | Eleganza | what can I do? |
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| 09:50.29 | themill | dpkg: tell Eleganza about partial downgrade |
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| 09:51.46 | Eleganza | can I just reinstall libc6 removing dependencies and then reinstall them expecting them to have the same configuration files? |
| 09:52.15 | themill | no, you can't just remove libc6 |
| 09:52.20 | Eleganza | also, it is not a partial downgrade, I am on stable version, just had libc6 2.19 for games |
| 09:52.41 | themill | you clearly have more than just libc6 from outside wheezy if it wants to remove lots |
| 09:53.10 | Eleganza | so, how do I resolve the problem? |
| 09:53.26 | themill | what dpkg said... or reinstall... or upgrade to jessie |
| 09:53.34 | themill | !unmixing |
| 09:53.34 | dpkg | You can't unmix releases. Downgrading isn't supported by apt, by the maintainer scripts or the packages. If you're in this situation, you have 3 choices, none of which is fun: (1) upgrade to testing and learn a lot about Debian very quickly to solve the problems you will face (not for servers!) (2) ask me about <partial downgrade> and *try* to go backwards to the older release or (3) restore from backup/reinstall. |
| 09:54.41 | hramrach | Eleganza: aptitude can kind of downgrade in the UI |
| 09:54.42 | Eleganza | I was wondering, I did changed sources.list |
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| 09:54.54 | Eleganza | did apt-get update |
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| 09:55.01 | hramrach | if you did not pin you are now running testing |
| 09:55.15 | Eleganza | but then dist-upgrade didn't install nothing |
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| 09:55.30 | Eleganza | How can I now if I am really using testing, I believe not |
| 09:55.46 | hramrach | apt-show-versions |
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| 09:56.31 | Eleganza | command not found |
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| 09:56.44 | hramrach | but you might need to do the pinning |
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| 09:57.05 | hramrach | not sure how it shows packages which are same version in testing and stable |
| 09:57.15 | augustl | babilen: tnx :) |
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| 09:57.42 | hramrach | and yes, it's not by default installed |
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| 09:58.21 | El3ganza | ok, I did, now where do I see my version? |
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| 09:59.01 | hramrach | apt-show-versions shows you what distribution are packages from |
| 09:59.19 | hramrach | apt-show-versions | grep -v wheezy |
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| 09:59.30 | El3ganza | it says on everything wheezy uptodate |
| 09:59.31 | hramrach | shows you your packages that are not from stable |
| 09:59.35 | El3ganza | except on libc6 |
| 10:01.10 | Abhijit | pfsense_rookie, i created simple tftp with dhcpd. without cobbler. downloaded 3 files from here http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ extracted netboot.tar.gz. now whenever it boots it tries to connect to internet to use a mirror. it is true that i can create a LAN mirror myself but then will be problematic to maintain it because we want to copy thes OS setup frequently to other vps. so i want som |
| 10:01.10 | Abhijit | ething without mirrors. it should take everything from the iso only. how can i do that? |
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| 10:01.15 | El3ganza | there are only few packeges newer than the one in archive |
| 10:01.44 | themill | So what dpkg originally said should work |
| 10:01.45 | hramrach | El3ganza: so install libc6 and those packages from stable |
| 10:02.24 | pfsense_rookie | Hello, I am running Debian Wheezy Stable (v. 7.6). Is there a way to define google calendar or Iceowl(through Icedove) as the system calendar? |
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| 10:03.41 | Stummi | whats "the system calendar"? |
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| 10:04.42 | pfsense_rookie | Abhijit, I believe now you just have to add the file you want to that folder. |
| 10:05.05 | pfsense_rookie | Stummi, the on the main taskbar. |
| 10:05.13 | pfsense_rookie | one* |
| 10:05.32 | Abhijit | pfsense_rookie, which file? you mean CD or DVD iso? |
| 10:05.42 | pfsense_rookie | Abhijit, yes. |
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| 10:08.32 | pfsense_rookie | Abhijit, I mean, whichever you need. The DVD is more complete but it boils down to what you need of your system. |
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| 10:08.55 | Abhijit | pfsense_rookie, i need without mirrors. |
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| 10:13.09 | brokencycle | hi! |
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| 10:17.35 | pfsense_rookie | Abhijit, ah yes... Sorry, I have up for too long. You can convert some ISOs (at least the live ones to their initrd and kernel components with cobbler: http://www.cobblerd.org/manuals/2.2.3/5/12_-_Booting_Live_CDs.html |
| 10:17.49 | Abhijit | ok |
| 10:17.55 | pfsense_rookie | I imagine that you can then get to the Installer that way. |
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| 10:25.06 | g00se | Running sid+xfce4 and wondering what the easiest way is to change to explicit start of X, using startx or equivalent, _without_ uninstalling anything |
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| 10:27.51 | Abhijit | i get error mirror does not support release (wheezy) |
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| 10:28.43 | Abhijit | wget -q http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release -O - | grep -E '^(Suite|Codename):' |
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| 11:05.39 | justaguy | how easy would it be to get debian on a Acer C720 Chromebook |
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| 11:06.14 | justaguy | i heard that it is difficult and it instantly voids warrenty (because it is write only and you need to remove a screw INSIDE your chromebook) |
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| 11:15.59 | aborrero | hi there |
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| 12:00.44 | GreenJim | hi guys |
| 12:01.04 | GreenJim | I got errors in my last apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:01.22 | shay_shay | justaguy: i have one |
| 12:01.28 | GreenJim | Nothing broken but I would like to report them |
| 12:01.38 | GreenJim | do you know the best way to do it ? |
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| 12:02.29 | babilen | GreenJim: Start with a paste at http://paste.debian.net |
| 12:02.36 | GreenJim | OK |
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| 12:05.13 | justaguy | shay_shay: how was the installation process of that |
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| 12:07.16 | shay_shay | not bad, i took the screw out, put a larger ssd in, then turned it back over, made the changes to the firmware, turned it over again, put the screw back and the cover back on |
| 12:07.28 | shay_shay | its like it was never opened before |
| 12:08.08 | shay_shay | i spent $400 and got a laptop that goes 9 hours screen on while getting work done (not just sitting there) and 128gb ssd |
| 12:08.20 | mrtnt | I have two Debian 7 machines and one of those reports "3.2.60-1+deb7u3" as its kernel release and other one reports "3.2.54-2" as its kernel release. Am I correct that there are Debian 7 versions out there with different kernel releases? |
| 12:08.26 | shay_shay | and the intel HD gfx on those haswells is very nice |
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| 12:10.09 | Captain_Haddock | echo "mysql-server mysql-server/root_password password foo" | debconf-set-selections <--- Used to populate fields during an unattended apt installation (of mysql-server). How do I find out (for other packages) what the names of the variables are? |
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| 12:11.29 | shay_shay | justaguy: definitely think i got the best bang for my buck |
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| 12:12.00 | GreenJim | http://paste.debian.net/117409/ |
| 12:12.05 | GreenJim | Log pasted |
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| 12:13.20 | ChrisH | GreenJim: once more using LC_ALL=C french is not very well known here |
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| 12:13.50 | GreenJim | I can try but not sure I wil still get the same |
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| 12:13.57 | shay_shay | répertoire |
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| 12:15.14 | jelly | ,v libvirt-daemon-system |
| 12:15.15 | judd | Package: libvirt-daemon-system on i386 -- jessie: 1.2.7-10; sid: 1.2.7-11 |
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| 12:15.54 | GreenJim | I will first try to get info about the error encountered in the libvirt-daemon-system install. |
| 12:16.10 | GreenJim | I'll come back on this later |
| 12:16.41 | jelly | GreenJim: if you absolutely have to use sudo, sudo sh -c 'export LC_ALL=C; dpkg --configure -a; apt-get -f install ' |
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| 12:16.57 | jelly | GreenJim: which debian release is this, btw? |
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| 12:20.50 | GreenJim | jessie |
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| 12:22.18 | jelly | mrtnt: the one with "3.2.54-2" is out of date. |
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| 12:24.29 | GreenJim | jelly, babilen, ChrisH: is it possible to come back on this later today ? I have to go now |
| 12:24.57 | babilen | GreenJim: No, you will have to stay and work on it now. There is no other way. |
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| 12:25.16 | pessoa | there is no way back |
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| 12:26.04 | brokencycle | I tried to convert a Windows partition to Linux by running gparted and specifying LVM as the partition type. |
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| 12:27.02 | brokencycle | Then I created a VG, a LV and a partition inside that, but now my laptop does not boot, claiming that it lacks an MBR (fdisk still sees the partitions). |
| 12:27.28 | brokencycle | I already tried to run grub-install and grub-update, but had no success. |
| 12:27.52 | brokencycle | If I put in a CD, the system comes up normally, so not all is lost. I'd like to keep it that way... |
| 12:27.56 | brokencycle | Any ideas, please? |
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| 12:31.40 | Shadow` | how to get gnome back? aptitude install gnome or gnome-desktop doesnt work |
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| 12:32.03 | nkuttler | Shadow`: how does it "not work"? |
| 12:32.12 | babilen | Shadow`: Why doesn't it work? Is it hanging out on the couch again drinking beer? |
| 12:32.22 | nkuttler | i could do that.. |
| 12:32.31 | Shadow` | can not find the packages |
| 12:32.32 | pessoa | apt-get install foobar |
| 12:32.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell Shadow` -about bat |
| 12:32.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell Shadow` -about show sources.list |
| 12:32.57 | Shadow` | so gnome is not in the default repos? |
| 12:33.29 | pessoa | gnome is a virtual package |
| 12:33.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell Shadow` -about install gnome |
| 12:33.56 | Shadow` | that one helps, thanks |
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| 12:35.02 | Shadow` | ah no use, none of those packages do anything |
| 12:35.03 | Shadow` | gah |
| 12:35.12 | Shadow` | might as wel just use ubuntu i supose >.> |
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| 12:35.41 | g00se | cynicallemon: lightdm is what it currently uses |
| 12:35.51 | Shadow` | not sure what changed, years ago it was install the GUI package, run it and done |
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| 12:36.10 | pessoa | ubuntu with unity desktop? |
| 12:36.16 | Shadow` | debian has unity |
| 12:36.18 | Shadow` | no change there |
| 12:36.19 | Shadow` | >.> |
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| 12:38.08 | babilen | Shadow`: Please take your chatter somewhere else (e.g. #defocus) -- If you want support then please paste the requested information and concentrate. |
| 12:38.20 | Shadow` | or actually help me install gnome |
| 12:38.44 | Shadow` | if i wanted unity, i'd get Ubuntu |
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| 12:39.38 | brokencycle | Shadow`: if apt-get install gnome does not do anything, try apt-get -f install |
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| 12:39.56 | brokencycle | or try apt-get install gnome-shell |
| 12:40.14 | ompaul | brokencycle: the long way around the park ;-) gnome-desktop |
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| 12:40.22 | ompaul | ,v gnome-desktop |
| 12:40.23 | judd | No package named 'gnome-desktop' was found in i386. |
| 12:40.25 | ompaul | drat |
| 12:40.28 | pessoa | I don't want any desktop, period. It is just a waste of screen space, and a distraction from work. |
| 12:40.41 | ompaul | pessoa: like irc :) |
| 12:40.54 | brokencycle | pessoa: then "apt-get install awesome" or likewise. :) |
| 12:41.10 | Shadow` | ok, one step further... got gnome now |
| 12:41.16 | Shadow` | gnome-shell --replace no work |
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| 12:41.27 | pessoa | irc is hard work, especially when monitoring a dozen of channels at the same time |
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| 12:42.28 | Shadow` | i guess i'll figure it out without this support channel, gah. still wonder why you Debian guys are making debian pointless.... might as well just get Ubuntu >.> |
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| 12:43.13 | ompaul | Shadow`: apt-get install tasksel then run that and choose task-gnome-desktop |
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| 12:43.34 | Shadow` | i enabled gnome and rebooted, its now a login menu option. cheers |
| 12:43.35 | ompaul | but why didn't you install it from scratch what happened there |
| 12:43.42 | Shadow` | default install |
| 12:43.45 | Shadow` | default ISO |
| 12:43.57 | Shadow` | cause since sarge Debian suited my needs from the get go |
| 12:43.59 | brokencycle | Shadow`: in which way are the Debian guys making Debian "pointless"? |
| 12:44.01 | Shadow` | but now its Ubuntu |
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| 12:44.32 | Shadow` | because whats the difference between debian and ubuntu now? :) |
| 12:44.38 | Shadow` | it even looks the same |
| 12:44.48 | udevd | http://ftp.pwr.wroc.pl/debian/dists/wheezy-updates/Release > |
| 12:44.48 | ompaul | debian blame ubuntu for not using brown |
| 12:44.49 | udevd | Valid-Until: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 14:58:15 UTC |
| 12:45.05 | udevd | why so? is this mirror unused? |
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| 12:45.18 | justaguy | acer aspire E1-532-29554g50, judt bought that, i hope it wont be a trouble for wifi, anyone having an idea how to find out which chip this thing uses? |
| 12:45.19 | brokencycle | Shadow`: For one, Ubuntu has less direction, imho, and if you are into free software, Ubuntu is probably also not the way to go. |
| 12:45.27 | justaguy | i hope a supported broadcom... |
| 12:45.36 | justaguy | or anything that works |
| 12:45.41 | Shadow` | ubuntu always been Debian Sid with a bit custom differences like Unity |
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| 12:47.08 | jelly | justaguy: pastebin the output of lspci -nn |
| 12:47.32 | themill | udevd: you'd have to ask the mirror admin of that mirror why they have not updated for a couple of months |
| 12:47.56 | justaguy | jelly: im now in traffic jams ircing from phone with a windows 8 installed laptop ^^ |
| 12:48.30 | jelly | justaguy: then, I suggest asking this question again at a time you can actually provide info |
| 12:48.37 | justaguy | jelly: yep |
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| 12:49.27 | Captain_Haddock | echo "mysql-server mysql-server/root_password password foo" | debconf-set-selections <--- Used to populate fields during an unattended apt installation (of mysql-server). How do I find out (for other packages) what the names of the variables are? |
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| 12:49.52 | themill | Captain_Haddock: debconf-get-selections |
| 12:49.57 | neglesaks | is there a dd or dd liek utility with a GUI? |
| 12:50.04 | Captain_Haddock | themill: Thanks |
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| 12:52.19 | udevd | themill: mirror change is just s/mirror1/mirror2/ in sources.list, right? |
| 12:54.01 | udevd | looks like it's okay so yes |
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| 12:54.13 | themill | udevd: assuming the two mirrors use the same base directory. |
| 12:54.16 | themill | dpkg: tell udevd about http.debian.net |
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| 12:55.22 | udevd | i just :%s/pwr.wroc.pl/pl.debian.org/cg 'd and it worked |
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| 12:55.56 | pessoa | debian stable distributions are stable, which is not the casse for ubuntu |
| 12:56.28 | Captain_Haddock | pessoa: That's why they have LTS releases, don't they? |
| 12:56.47 | mrtnt | jelly: ok. So there are many sub-versions of Debian 7 and all of those might have different kernel in use? |
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| 12:57.01 | pessoa | also, ubuntu comes in flavours like kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu, gubuntu, which confuses the hell out of people, especially those who need no desktop |
| 12:57.03 | mrtnt | *different kernel version |
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| 12:59.45 | jelly | mrtnt: no, not really. There are historical builds of the installer images with older versions of stuff, but debian 7.X, where X can be anything, always uses the same repositories with same contents. If one does not keep the system up-to-date, one ends up with older, more buggy, versions of software. If one keeps the system up-to-date, it will have the same kernel package version regardless of whether 7.0 or 7.5 or 7.6 was installed initially. |
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| 13:00.26 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 13:00.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.16-trunk-686-pae (3.16-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.15-2); jessie: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.15-2); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.14.13-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 13:01.10 | jelly | mrtnt: so, if your system has a linux-image-3.2* package older than 3.2.60-1+deb7u3 it's merely out of date and needs to be upgraded. |
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| 13:04.56 | fattratt | OK, I'm going to reboot and see if I can get my computer to work properly. |
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| 13:10.53 | Voyage | How can I see the running processes by user id? and how can I see each user ID and name on my system? |
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| 13:12.38 | frediz | Is there any DSA member here ? |
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| 13:14.14 | nkuttler | frediz: what is your real question? |
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| 13:15.39 | frediz | nkuttler: Debian would need another VM for ppc64el buildd-ing other than the current one. I would need to know the configuration requirement cpu/memory/disk so that we can create one in France |
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| 13:18.40 | jelly | frediz: hm, there's no listed irc channel on https://dsa.debian.org/. Try asking over on irc.debian.org in #debian-devel |
| 13:19.14 | themill | (cross-posting and already sorted) |
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| 13:19.31 | frediz | jelly: I've been redirected to #debian-admin.. :) thanks |
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| 13:20.00 | jelly | righto |
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| 13:31.14 | _ynk | hello, i have an headache of an issue with mysql. anyone care to help? :( |
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| 13:34.17 | ChrisH | hands over some pills to _ynk |
| 13:35.20 | _ynk | ChrisH: oh, thanks. well, i should firstly ask this - is it possible to completely , totally, irreversibly purge mysql, including all the data? |
| 13:35.39 | _ynk | --purge didn't do it, after reinstalling I still had the old data and passwords |
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| 13:38.44 | babilen | hands one #mysql over to _ynk |
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| 13:39.02 | Stummi | _ynk, maybe deleting /var/lib/mysql. But I am not sure if this a good idea, so better just move it out of the way first |
| 13:39.37 | _ynk | babilen: had no luck @ #mysql |
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| 13:39.54 | _ynk | Stummi: I'll try my luck with this |
| 13:40.01 | Stummi | IMHO thats more a debian-specific question, so I think you are right here |
| 13:40.16 | Stummi | since you want to know how to remove the mysql package with all its data |
| 13:40.34 | nkuttler | _ynk: i don't think purging myself will delete your data, only the config |
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| 13:40.43 | _ynk | Stummi: yeah. I think it could go for both channels, only here there are more friendly debian people :) |
| 13:40.47 | nkuttler | and that's intentional |
| 13:40.58 | _ynk | nkuttler: so where do I purge the databases? |
| 13:41.06 | _ynk | including the mysql meta data |
| 13:41.12 | _ynk | like root password and this kind of stuff. |
| 13:41.15 | babilen | Stummi, _ynk: Yeah, it is also quite right here :) |
| 13:41.19 | nkuttler | _ynk: um. find the directory where they are |
| 13:41.39 | jelly | _ynk: did you purge all the packages built from mysql source? |
| 13:41.53 | _ynk | jelly: sudo apt-get --purge remove mysql* |
| 13:41.57 | _ynk | i guess that does it. |
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| 13:42.19 | nkuttler | _ynk: /var/lib/mysql apparently |
| 13:42.24 | jelly | _ynk: do you have of that command output saved perhaps? |
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| 13:42.49 | jelly | English can't |
| 13:42.51 | _ynk | jelly: not really. but i did do that a couple of times cus i tried reinstalling. although i remember no errors reported |
| 13:43.02 | nkuttler | _ynk: what's your problem anyway? did you forget your mysql password? |
| 13:43.08 | nkuttler | because you mentioned reinstall.. |
| 13:43.15 | _ynk | nkuttler: no, i'd know how to fix that... |
| 13:43.21 | _ynk | it's something very odd |
| 13:43.21 | justaguy | "no ethernet card was detected" seriously debian |
| 13:43.35 | nkuttler | _ynk: anyway, i told you where |
| 13:43.40 | ChrisH | _ynk: drop tables? |
| 13:44.12 | _ynk | nkuttler: I had some issues in the past, i don't remember what, and i messed up everything. deleted data and users and stuff... now it's a mess, and I just want to start from clean. i guess there mighgt be other ways but that way feels the cleanest to me |
| 13:44.20 | _ynk | nkuttler: and yeah, I saw, thx :) |
| 13:44.32 | jelly | _ynk: pastebin the output of: aptitude search '(~c|~i) ?source-package(mysql-5.5)' |
| 13:45.02 | justaguy | So, as debian can't find my ethernet cards drivers, should i just install without internet, and then find out |
| 13:45.07 | jelly | justaguy: still no lspci -nn output? |
| 13:45.20 | justaguy | jelly: as i couldn't even get into a working linux system yet, nope |
| 13:45.41 | _ynk | jelly: no output. i told u, i purged the package |
| 13:45.59 | justaguy | jelly: aha, spotted the "exit to shell!" |
| 13:46.15 | jelly | justaguy: or Ctrl-Alt-F3 (maybe F2) |
| 13:46.35 | _ynk | im running sudo find / -name mysql. maybe it will reveal some stuff |
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| 13:47.00 | justaguy | Ethernet (which i need to select for the installation): Broadcom corportaion NetXtreme BCM7786 gigabit ethernet PCIe (rev 01) |
| 13:47.28 | justaguy | Wireless: Atheros communication inc. AR9565 Wireless network adapter |
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| 13:48.22 | jelly | justaguy: the pci id (hexadecimal numbers in [0123:4567] format) are what's interesting |
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| 13:48.42 | justaguy | i forgot the -nn , sorry |
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| 13:49.05 | jelly | !tell justaguy about firmware images |
| 13:49.25 | jelly | ^^ more useful and less free than default d-i images. |
| 13:49.49 | justaguy | Aww non-free ethernet and wifi, rms wouldn't like this! :) |
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| 13:49.57 | jelly | indeed |
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| 13:50.11 | jelly | which is why Debian pretends these are "unofficial" |
| 13:50.45 | justaguy | lets download it :) |
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| 13:51.14 | jelly | still those pci-ids would confirm the theory |
| 13:51.46 | justaguy | i have no idea what you mean with "pci-ids" , is that just the full name of the device? |
| 13:51.54 | justaguy | or some special number |
| 13:52.59 | jelly | 05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5708 Gigabit Ethernet [14e4:164c] (rev 12) |
| 13:53.11 | jelly | that [1434:164c] bit in lspci -nn output |
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| 13:53.18 | OpenTokix | I read that as: Broken Corporation NetX... |
| 13:53.48 | jelly | they're less broken once the fw is present |
| 13:53.57 | justaguy | thanks jelly, it's for the ethernet: "0200" and for the wifi "0280" |
| 13:54.08 | jelly | justaguy: wrong number. |
| 13:54.29 | justaguy | woopsie |
| 13:54.52 | justaguy | ethernet: 14e4:16b3 |
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| 13:55.05 | jelly | judd: pciid 14e4:16b3 |
| 13:55.06 | justaguy | wifi: 168c:0036 |
| 13:55.06 | judd | [14e4:16b3] is 'NetXtreme BCM57786 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in wheezy but has kernel module 'tg3' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:16b3 |
| 13:55.18 | jelly | ha, too new |
| 13:55.54 | jelly | judd: pciid 168c:0036 |
| 13:55.55 | judd | [168c:0036] is 'QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in wheezy but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0036 http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 13:57.27 | jelly | justaguy: apparently you'll need backported kernel for any of those two to work |
| 13:57.28 | justaguy | oh hello debian, i see you do not want to format my dd'ed debian iso USB stick Error deleting partition /dev/sdb2: Command-line `parted --script "/dev/sdb" "rm 2"' exited with non-zero exit status 1: Warning: The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes. (udisks-error-quark, 0) |
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| 13:57.57 | jelly | not even firmware images will help in your case |
| 13:58.03 | justaguy | jelly: i will use debian sid anyway :), as i always do, so, if i get a debian jessie iso , normal, the official, will it work? |
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| 13:58.32 | jelly | justaguy: not sure; some tg3 _do_ need their fw, some do not |
| 13:58.48 | jelly | !tg3 |
| 13:58.49 | dpkg | tg3 is a Linux kernel driver supporting Broadcom Tigon3 (aka NetXtreme I) and NetLink Ethernet controllers. Firmware from userspace (Debian Linux 2.6.29 and later kernels) is only required for support of the BCM5701 A0 controller and TCP Segment Offloading (<TSO>) functionality. Tigon3 firmware (tg3.bin, tg3_tso5.bin, tg3_tso.bin) is packaged in firmware-linux-nonfree, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <firmware images>. |
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| 13:59.11 | justaguy | please do NOT tell me i need to go through the pain of compiling my own kernel... |
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| 13:59.26 | justaguy | ah it's packaged? |
| 14:00.48 | jelly | the kernel in jessie is new enough, but you may still need to download firmware on the side |
| 14:02.06 | justaguy | well, first i need to fix this piece of crap usb that doesn't seem to like me :( |
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| 14:04.18 | justaguy | aha, found one with testing on it already :) |
| 14:04.28 | justaguy | new laptops and linux, always troubles ^^ |
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| 14:04.52 | _ynk | #debian my problem is solved. thx all :-D |
| 14:05.02 | jelly | _ynk: how did you solve it? |
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| 14:06.54 | _ynk | jelly: removed everything related to mysql. all the folders. and then reinstalled, and surprisingly things didnt go crazy |
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| 14:08.46 | justaguy | sigh, usb's, i hate you |
| 14:11.08 | justaguy | jelly: so, what would be the best, install the debian-non-free-non-official-wheezy, or just debian jessie |
| 14:11.41 | g00se | I want to patch a usb image i have here but can't as the image is write-protected. How could i remove that protection? |
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| 14:12.18 | pdelgado | hello |
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| 14:12.58 | viccuad | guys, is there any way to mount a 2nd hdd as a user? using the "user" flag on /etc/fstab does not work :(. thanks in advance |
| 14:12.59 | jelly | justaguy: if you install wheezy (from fw images) you still won't have network, and will have to transfer packages for linux 3.14 and its firmware-linux-nonfree from wheezy-backports somehow |
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| 14:13.18 | jelly | justaguy: if you install jessie you will only be missing firmware |
| 14:13.59 | justaguy | and then it will be : download on other pc, use it on new pc, dpkg -i linux-firmware-nonfree-someinfo.deb |
| 14:15.29 | pdelgado | has anybody been able to install debian on a MacBook? |
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| 14:18.28 | pdelgado | the installer crashes when booting and just shows "select cd-rom boot type" |
| 14:18.34 | jelly | justaguy: yeah |
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| 14:18.56 | justaguy | jelly: Highfive bro! , the ethernet works in debian jessie :) |
| 14:19.06 | jelly | \o/ |
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| 14:21.58 | pdelgado | I had an old linux mint cd laying around and it works fine :\ |
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| 14:25.33 | justaguy | Well, the question is, will debian with gnome run smooth on this cheapo laptop |
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| 14:25.58 | justaguy | acer aspire e1-572g-74504g50mnkk |
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| 14:34.43 | justaguy | hi |
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| 14:35.34 | Shinyu | i got a kmini pc that runs of coreboot for the simple reason of free software. although i wont like it i might be forced to use some b;lob driver in the future |
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| 14:36.27 | justaguy | SirLagz: "md5sum debian.iso" does the job |
| 14:36.29 | Shinyu | so will any device that runs on ubuntu work for debv? |
| 14:36.52 | Shinyu | device-driver* |
| 14:37.19 | Shinyu | sorry if the question in noobish |
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| 14:37.30 | jelly | Shinyu: it can be made to work, but it might not work out of the box. |
| 14:37.32 | brokencycle | hmmm... can't boot from a root partition inside an lvm2, mounted by uuid: "waiting for root partition" huh? |
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| 14:38.50 | pdelgado | is there a debian installation cd that is compatible with older intel macs? |
| 14:39.01 | ChrisH | brokencycle: is that a fresh installation? Did it work in the past? |
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| 14:39.36 | brokencycle | ChrisH: no, it's not a fresh installation. yes, it worked in the past, but with a different uuid which pointed to a primary partition (msdos - style) |
| 14:39.57 | justaguy | jelly: sigh, now my debian pc refuses to boot the debian |
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| 14:40.20 | Shinyu | im not worried about fiddling a bit with packages to get hardware working just just wondering if ubuntu changes things so significantly that a driver written for one is not compat on the other |
| 14:40.27 | brokencycle | i got the new uuid by figuring out the correct /dev/dm-X and then the uuid of that, then vi /boot/grub/grub.cfg and replaced all of the old uuids with the new one |
| 14:40.50 | brokencycle | as suggested here: http://superuser.com/questions/485722/how-do-i-fix-a-wrong-uuid-in-grub-cfg |
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| 14:41.19 | brokencycle | a too-small root partition prompted me to do that, btw |
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| 14:41.38 | mtn | Shinyu: drivers are in the kernel, or work with the kernel. linux is the kernel, the os is mainly what is around the kernel. basically, if linux will run a device, so will any distro. |
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| 14:42.34 | jhutchins | Shinyu: Generally device drivers are upstream of the distributions. Sometimes Ubuntu will incorporate non-free code, but that can be manually ported to Debian because the kernel is still an upstreamm project. |
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| 14:42.57 | brokencycle | ChrisH: where it drops into grub's rescue shell, the dm_mod module is already loaded, so it *should* imho find the partition |
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| 14:43.28 | brokencycle | I'm on 3.14-bpo, btw |
| 14:43.35 | jelly | Shinyu: they do listen to their own customers and fix their issues, but those changes eventually get adopted upstream and transferred to all the distros |
| 14:44.13 | jhutchins | pdelgado: I believe all of the intel install images are compatible, they worked in 2007. |
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| 14:44.37 | Shinyu | jelly: thanks |
| 14:44.55 | jelly | jhutchins: distributing non-free code incorporated into GPL-ed drivers is too silly for Canonical to do |
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| 14:48.18 | pdelgado | jhutchins I'm getting the "Select CD-ROM boot type" message and can't do anything :\ |
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| 14:49.52 | ChrisH | brokencycle: I did not understand why you changed the UUID. Sounds like fixing something not-broken to me. |
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| 14:50.36 | brokencycle | ChrisH: the old uuid pointed to a very small partition (too small to get security updates). the new uuid points to a different partition which is big enough |
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| 14:51.23 | brokencycle | ChrisH: update-grub would always put the wrong partition into grub.cfg |
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| 14:53.20 | ChrisH | brokencycle: cant you simply indcrease the lvol? |
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| 14:54.19 | brokencycle | ChrisH: the old installation was on physical disks (etch or lenny, can't remember), and does not use lvm. switching to the new partition is also intended to migrate to lvm entirely |
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| 14:54.54 | brokencycle | s/physical disks/msdos partitions/ |
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| 14:55.25 | rgr | brokencycle: so you changed your root partition or just the /boot? |
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| 14:55.45 | rgr | oh lvm. Good luck wit that if it goes wrong. |
| 14:55.58 | brokencycle | rgr: so far, /boot has no separate partition. |
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| 14:56.33 | brokencycle | it is inside the respective root partitions, but i think about fixing that soonish. first, i need to get this partition to mount |
| 14:56.35 | rgr | so yo ujust have one fstab entry for a hard drive? mounted at / ? |
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| 14:57.00 | rgr | (ps I always do this stuff from a sysrescue usb stick boot and get UUID etc for the updated fstab from gparted. |
| 14:57.20 | brokencycle | rg: no, i have /, /usr, /var and home split out |
| 14:57.24 | brokencycle | and maybe something else |
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| 14:57.33 | brokencycle | but i want to move only root in this step |
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| 14:57.55 | brokencycle | i have rsync'ed the root partition (sans the contents of /dev - how to recreate that?) |
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| 14:58.55 | NaturalMess | !seen CoreIT84 |
| 14:58.56 | dpkg | coreit84 is currently on #debian (46s), last said: 'im in 192 channels across 8 servers i dont mind that its the dcc chat requests for naughty affairs i dislike greatly'. |
| 14:59.12 | brokencycle | then i want to move the other partitions in a piecemeal fashion, as i free space that i can allocate to the volume group |
| 14:59.29 | CoreIT84 | NaturalMess, issues? |
| 14:59.40 | NaturalMess | my eggdrop are join part |
| 14:59.41 | NaturalMess | :/ |
| 14:59.56 | NaturalMess | i guess it doesnt like this channel for some reason |
| 15:00.07 | rgr | yeah I used to do all that. I found it ultimately futile and just an excercise in hassle. I do keep home seperate but only since I started to boot from an ssd. |
| 15:00.07 | CoreIT84 | on a toilet router connect that isp WONT change sorry |
| 15:00.23 | NaturalMess | nmBOT |
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| 15:01.11 | rgr | brokencycle: you get a free partition then rsync from your mounted root to the new temp mounted NEW root. You then get its UUID and add a new fstab line to mount root to your new partition thus shadowing the one on the / partition. |
| 15:01.53 | rgr | oh hang on . You meant root as in /root or root as in "/" or did you mean "/boot"? |
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| 15:02.11 | brokencycle | rgr: that's what i wanted to do, but it did not work - i only ever end up with the old root partition |
| 15:02.26 | brokencycle | i mean "root" as in "/" |
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| 15:02.50 | rgr | then you didnt change your fstab in /etc |
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| 15:03.14 | rgr | oh wait. |
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| 15:03.53 | rgr | you probably need to update grub too since its / you#re changing and /boot is under that. |
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| 15:09.49 | brokencycle | rgr: thanks for the idea - i thought i had, but i'll double-check |
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| 15:19.01 | justaguy | So, i want to install debian testing on a new laptop, problems with UEFI, it has some crappy SECURE BOOT modus, that you cant disable, so no usb boot or cd boot, so i had to chose legacy boot, but, still the debian installer says "UEFI INSTALLER" |
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| 15:23.20 | SirLagz | damn, why you no work preseed :( |
| 15:23.40 | ompaul | justaguy: several things - in the bios you turned off legacy did you turn off the boot uefi disk first - and turn it to sata |
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| 15:26.51 | justaguy | ompaul: i can chose "eviluefi" or "legacy", so yes uefi is right |
| 15:26.55 | justaguy | and boot order okay |
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| 15:29.06 | MY123 | justaguy: Try Matthew Garret's Shim. ( it is signed by MSFT) |
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| 15:30.29 | ompaul | justaguy: make sure the disks don't display uefui |
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| 15:30.51 | ompaul | justaguy: also look for a tag "boot only windows 8*" |
| 15:30.54 | ompaul | or something like that |
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| 15:31.27 | MY123 | ompaul: Shim is better. And doesn't need BIOS mods. |
| 15:31.47 | MY123 | (And keeps UEFI benifit) |
| 15:31.50 | ompaul | MY123: when it is in stable and I trust it maybe |
| 15:32.12 | ompaul | I don't trust uefi at all. |
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| 15:32.41 | MY123 | ompaul: It is by Red Hat and the source code is available (Shim). |
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| 15:33.26 | MY123 | ompaul: Right. The only x86 PC in my house is a Celeron Mendocino at 400MHz |
| 15:33.33 | MY123 | ( HP Brio) |
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| 15:39.32 | f31n | hi, i just installed chromium but i'm not able go get flash running on it propperly, i tried to install flashplugin-nonfree i guess it would be better not to use flash from the adobe site or? |
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| 15:40.18 | f31n | after installing everything i find no flash under: chrome://plugins/ i guess thats my problem |
| 15:41.47 | babilen | f31n: That flash plugin doesn't work in Chrome/Chromium anymore. You want pepperflash |
| 15:42.02 | babilen | judd: v pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:42.03 | judd | Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; sid/contrib: 1.5; jessie/contrib: 1.5 |
| 15:42.07 | babilen | f31n: ^^^ |
| 15:42.09 | f31n | babilen: thanks for that i go for pepperflash |
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| 15:47.31 | riot | heya.. uh, why is exim4-daemon-heavy (wheezy) linked to libssl, when it is supposed to use libgnutls? |
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| 15:48.12 | rgr | ah lovely an rsync from my new dev machine to my old asus-1015 followed by an "install-grub" on chroot on the asus and its now booting Debian. Sweet as. |
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| 15:52.40 | riot | i'm asking because i have severe trouble with exim4-daemon-heavy + gnutls (starttls)= no cipher negotiation at all |
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| 15:55.56 | eptalon | heyas |
| 15:56.28 | eptalon | is there a pdf reader for debian that prints signed pdf files? |
| 15:56.37 | eptalon | okular doesnt |
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| 15:57.20 | alive4ever | try evince |
| 15:57.46 | eptalon | alive4ever: can I install that with only a minmimal gnome? |
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| 15:59.17 | alive4ever | Just install it using aptitude or apt-get. The dependencies will be satisfied automatically. |
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| 16:14.55 | rgr | acroread... works fine. |
| 16:15.02 | jhutchins | xpdf? |
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| 16:15.27 | eptalon | idk, if possible I want to avoid acroread... |
| 16:15.33 | eptalon | jhutchins: no idea... |
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| 16:15.57 | jhutchins | aptitude search ~dpdf |
| 16:17.03 | eptalon | the pdf uses RC4; printing is allowed, but okular won#t do anything except display it |
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| 16:17.39 | oh_kim | try evince? |
| 16:17.44 | jelly | eptalon: wine and FoxIt? :-) |
| 16:18.09 | jelly | foxit works very well in crossover office |
| 16:18.49 | alive4ever | I'm off. |
| 16:19.29 | jhutchins | eptalon: xpdf is going to have minimal dependencies. |
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| 16:21.34 | rgr | eptalon: nice sentiments but none of the others come close. Particularly useful is ability to share a pdf from acroread to your kindle if you use one. |
| 16:21.56 | eptalon | rgr: I don't. |
| 16:22.20 | eptalon | All I want is print the fricking file; my printer prints pdfs up to level 1.4 |
| 16:24.15 | rgr | what does level 1.4 mean? |
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| 16:24.57 | eptalon | rgr: PDF has levels. |
| 16:26.18 | GreenJim | hi guys |
| 16:26.43 | GreenJim | I am back with the problem I eencountered with the last dist-upgrade |
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| 16:27.06 | GreenJim | I rtied a dpkg --configure + apt-get install without sucess |
| 16:27.20 | GreenJim | see also http://paste.debian.net/117451/ |
| 16:27.38 | GreenJim | my system = Debian Jessie |
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| 16:28.18 | GreenJim | my question: what is the best way to report this |
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| 16:30.34 | rgr | I got that too. It'll be fixed. your system should still work. |
| 16:31.33 | rgr | It was raised here: http://www.eenyhelp.com/bug-757330-libvirt-daemon-system-fails-install-update-rc-error-insserv-rejected-script-header-help-215385322.html |
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| 16:33.43 | GreenJim | rgr: I do not worry about my system, it is still workig, indeed. I just want to help by reporting troubles. |
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| 16:35.16 | yonkeltron | i have a bug to report and report bug said it couldn't send mail via the debian SMTP relays. How can I submit the bug report manually? |
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| 16:35.28 | GreenJim | I took a look at your link and I also got problem because of a script wanting to remove non-empty libvirt directories. |
| 16:35.39 | ChrisH | GreenJim: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=757330 shows more and there it seems to be fixed |
| 16:35.42 | yonkeltron | May I simply send it via regular email? i don't recall the internal workings of the reportbug tool. |
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| 16:36.10 | GreenJim | ChrisH: hi |
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| 16:38.58 | fellipe | hi. Why this happen in debian 7? error: /etc/logrotate.d/squid:5 unknown option 'hourly' -- ignoring line |
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| 16:39.26 | opposition | crontab configuration error |
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| 16:40.24 | fellipe | opposition, http://pastie.org/9501666 |
| 16:40.26 | jhutchins | fellipe: Did you check the logrotate.conf man page to verify that hourly was a valid option? |
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| 16:41.42 | fellipe | jhutchins, well... indeed... just daily is available |
| 16:42.18 | fellipe | jhutchins, ops... weekly.. montlhy |
| 16:42.34 | fellipe | jhutchins, so, any idea to run it hourly? |
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| 16:42.47 | jhutchins | fellipe: daily, weekly, monthly, yearly |
| 16:42.59 | jhutchins | fellipe: You'd have to implement it manually in cron. |
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| 16:44.12 | fellipe | jhutchins, by using force option combined with daily option? |
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| 16:45.25 | GreenJim | ChrisH: this bug is supposed to be fixed in libvirt/1.2.7-6; the dist-upgrade is to upgrade to 1.2.7-10 |
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| 16:46.41 | jhutchins | fellipe: That might work. |
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| 16:47.01 | Roper_ | Hi |
| 16:47.06 | fellipe | jhutchins, thanks... |
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| 16:47.23 | jhutchins | felipe: If you get it working you might want to do a blog post or maybe something on the squid wiki. |
| 16:47.33 | Roper_ | I have a question about xfce and lxde |
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| 16:47.55 | Roper_ | i'm wondering which i can customize the most |
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| 16:48.25 | opposition | xfce is nice |
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| 16:49.22 | digdilem | try both.. |
| 16:49.41 | opposition | then let us know which one is more configurable |
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| 16:50.31 | Roper_ | is it difficult to switch? |
| 16:50.52 | Roper_ | once i install debian lxde |
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| 16:50.55 | opposition | install and purge should do it |
| 16:51.58 | ChrisH | GreenJim: Given its the same bug, it would be a good idea to reopen it. |
| 16:52.03 | opposition | you install lxde with apt-get test it out and then you can purge it to install xfce for example |
| 16:52.16 | opposition | or you can install both and choose from a menu |
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| 16:56.31 | Roper_ | debian standerd has gnome right? |
| 16:56.39 | opposition | kde |
| 16:57.08 | Roper_ | is there a basic image for usb? |
| 16:57.28 | opposition | to install debian from ? |
| 16:57.32 | Roper_ | withought any desktop enviroment |
| 16:57.39 | Roper_ | uhuh |
| 16:57.44 | Roper_ | yes |
| 16:57.59 | opposition | ofcourse its optional to install Xorg |
| 16:58.28 | Roper_ | Xorg? |
| 16:58.44 | Roper_ | i'm newto linux |
| 16:58.55 | opposition | the X windows environments like kde xfce and so on |
| 16:59.22 | opposition | if you dont install the xorg gui you get textmode consoles |
| 16:59.31 | opposition | but thats not really an option for newbees |
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| 16:59.52 | Roper_ | you mean terminal only? |
| 16:59.53 | tadie | ciao |
| 16:59.57 | tadie | !list |
| 16:59.58 | dpkg | tadie: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 17:00.00 | opposition | yea terminal only |
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| 17:00.21 | opposition | if you go with terminal only you want to do hardcore linux |
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| 17:00.54 | Roper_ | ok thats a bit too much im only somewhat familiar with apt get |
| 17:01.28 | opposition | but that option is always available, you can install x windows environment and still use consoles/terminals either inside the X windows or by pressing ctl-alt-1 |
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| 17:02.05 | opposition | even if your GUI crashes due to some bug you get thrown back into console mode |
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| 17:02.25 | opposition | then you can type your way back into your x windows |
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| 17:02.33 | Roper_ | oh that noproblem |
| 17:03.04 | opposition | your choice of GUI is alright tho |
| 17:03.06 | Roper_ | will xfce run smoothly on an i3? |
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| 17:03.14 | opposition | yea its lightweight |
| 17:03.24 | bazhang | lxde even more so |
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| 17:03.31 | Roper_ | lxde is lighter they say |
| 17:03.38 | Roper_ | not sure how much |
| 17:03.41 | bazhang | they are correct |
| 17:03.53 | Roper_ | but ive only got 16gb ssd to play with |
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| 17:03.58 | meta-system | hi here |
| 17:04.14 | meta-system | I need some help to configure use HD7560D with radeon-legacy |
| 17:04.24 | opposition | then xfce is more configurable the lxde |
| 17:04.26 | meta-system | I don't find any correct firmware |
| 17:04.48 | meta-system | It always give 1024x768 as 1600x1200 |
| 17:04.59 | meta-system | *normally |
| 17:05.07 | meta-system | no glrx support |
| 17:05.11 | opposition | ive tried them out too and you should try out some gui's and pick the one that suits you best |
| 17:05.43 | Roper_ | yes i think i might go xfce, but i could only find that lxde uses 20 ram n xfce uses double i cant find hdd amount |
| 17:05.44 | meta-system | opposition: lxde is more light than xfce |
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| 17:06.15 | meta-system | Roper_: do you test lxqt ? |
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| 17:06.41 | Roper_ | thats qt based right? |
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| 17:06.45 | t4nk001 | Hello guys |
| 17:06.56 | meta-system | Roper_: based on lxde team and razor-qt |
| 17:07.07 | meta-system | all ported to qt4/qt5 |
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| 17:07.23 | t4nk001 | I just installed debian wheezy 7.6 alongside my win7 |
| 17:07.32 | Roper_ | im not too happy that Qt its partially in hands the of MS |
| 17:07.32 | meta-system | t4nk001: welcome :) |
| 17:07.49 | t4nk001 | Thanks:) |
| 17:07.52 | meta-system | Roper_: I'm not too happy than gtk3 is partially of gnome3 |
| 17:08.00 | t4nk001 | I need a bit help here |
| 17:08.11 | Roper_ | ok |
| 17:08.16 | opposition | lets not compare M$ to gnome3 |
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| 17:08.41 | t4nk001 | There was no setting about username and password while the installation |
| 17:08.45 | meta-system | opposition: systemd is more the problem than gnome3 |
| 17:08.45 | Roper_ | i didnt come here to start arguements |
| 17:08.49 | Roper_ | peace |
| 17:09.01 | t4nk001 | And now the system ask me for those things |
| 17:09.01 | meta-system | (but gnome3 is globally piece of shit actually :D ) |
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| 17:09.21 | meta-system | Roper_: it is fundamentaly a problem... |
| 17:09.25 | meta-system | gtk vs qt |
| 17:09.30 | meta-system | systemd vs openrc |
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| 17:09.34 | opposition | and secretative M$ is not a piece of garbage ? |
| 17:09.35 | meta-system | wayland vs xorg ^^ |
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| 17:09.48 | meta-system | opposition: I think to before |
| 17:09.51 | Roper_ | gnome seams a bit bloated to me too, i just dont like MS |
| 17:09.59 | meta-system | but some Windows user change my opinion |
| 17:10.16 | meta-system | just looking security token in windows... |
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| 17:10.23 | opposition | M$ has obviously an agenda to protect their own corporate interests before serving the users |
| 17:10.37 | meta-system | Not anything like it in linux (without considering selinux) |
| 17:10.57 | meta-system | opposition: so, you don't like enlightenment because it is dev by nokia? |
| 17:11.00 | Roper_ | please dont argue |
| 17:11.03 | meta-system | openoffice by sun |
| 17:11.07 | meta-system | etc ... |
| 17:11.24 | opposition | i dont know those apps no |
| 17:11.26 | meta-system | but, qt4 is in debian repo, they respect GNU licence |
| 17:11.29 | meta-system | ^^ |
| 17:11.43 | ctmjr | this is not the place for your rant's |
| 17:11.45 | t4nk001 | Hard to read here |
| 17:11.47 | meta-system | so, if you wan't more radically distro, make it :P |
| 17:11.50 | opposition | who needs openoffice when you get vi ? |
| 17:12.02 | meta-system | opposition: compare vi to openoffice? |
| 17:12.08 | opposition | lol yea |
| 17:12.23 | Roper_ | LibreOffice? |
| 17:12.28 | t4nk001 | Who can help me a bit here |
| 17:12.31 | meta-system | discuss seams ridiculous with your speaking |
| 17:12.32 | t4nk001 | Hello |
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| 17:12.46 | Roper_ | t4nk001 what is problem? |
| 17:12.48 | meta-system | t4nk001: what's the problem? |
| 17:12.55 | opposition | seriously openoffice is an invention for compatability with the M$ doc files |
| 17:13.14 | meta-system | Roper_: libreoffice <<< I think problem is more than licence, juste java is ... |
| 17:13.27 | meta-system | opposition: don't be radically... |
| 17:13.39 | t4nk001 | I don't get to set my username and password while installation |
| 17:13.39 | meta-system | it seem's an only one method for all |
| 17:13.45 | meta-system | not linux spirit |
| 17:13.53 | t4nk001 | Now sys ask me that to log in |
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| 17:13.57 | GreenJim | ChrisH: I will drop a mail to libvirt maintainers to ask them if they want to reopen this bug or to open a new one; in fact, after taking a look at it, there are some differences. |
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| 17:14.09 | meta-system | t4nk001: you must do it when you install... |
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| 17:14.25 | meta-system | do you have create root password? |
| 17:14.39 | opposition | try loggin in with root and no pass |
| 17:14.43 | t4nk001 | There was no instruction for that |
| 17:15.00 | t4nk001 | 7.6 via USB |
| 17:15.02 | meta-system | t4nk001: try what opposition say |
| 17:15.21 | t4nk001 | Not working |
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| 17:15.29 | meta-system | opposition: in debian install, forced to create root password, no? |
| 17:15.32 | opposition | thats a funny install you got there if it doesnt ask for a username and pass |
| 17:15.45 | t4nk001 | I don't know |
| 17:15.53 | meta-system | rebooting in livecd/usb, chroot and change login/pass |
| 17:15.56 | t4nk001 | I installed the sys successfully |
| 17:15.58 | meta-system | (or create it) |
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| 17:16.01 | Roper_ | was install downloaded from debian.org? |
| 17:16.09 | t4nk001 | Yes |
| 17:16.13 | t4nk001 | 7.6 |
| 17:16.30 | opposition | it has to ask you for a root pass tho |
| 17:16.30 | t4nk001 | My win7 is still working though |
| 17:16.34 | meta-system | so, me I'm on the same problem for 6 month... |
| 17:16.48 | Roper_ | dual boot? |
| 17:16.50 | meta-system | no HD7560D firmware usable to use fglrx-legacy |
| 17:16.55 | ctmjr | t4nk001: did you create a root password? during the install |
| 17:17.01 | t4nk001 | Yes |
| 17:17.05 | t4nk001 | Dual boot |
| 17:17.09 | meta-system | and can't use actually fglrx because I don't find any xorg-15 |
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| 17:17.27 | opposition | then log in as root with your pass and create a useraccount |
| 17:17.38 | t4nk001 | No password |
| 17:17.51 | meta-system | opposition: I think "Yes" was for "dual boot?" |
| 17:17.55 | t4nk001 | Now I stuck at the log in screen |
| 17:18.03 | meta-system | ow |
| 17:18.10 | meta-system | t4nk001: CTRL+ALT+F1 |
| 17:18.17 | meta-system | login: root |
| 17:18.19 | meta-system | pass: nothing |
| 17:18.31 | meta-system | adduser <youruser> |
| 17:18.41 | meta-system | root can't login X |
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| 17:18.58 | t4nk001 | Not working |
| 17:19.05 | meta-system | what does it say? |
| 17:19.13 | meta-system | invalid login/password ? |
| 17:19.17 | opposition | then reinstall and make sure you set a root password |
| 17:19.22 | t4nk001 | Login incorrect |
| 17:19.42 | meta-system | so t4nk001, reinstall like opposition say, or reboot in live environnement and chroot |
| 17:19.42 | t4nk001 | if I have to |
| 17:19.50 | meta-system | (that is some difficult) |
| 17:19.56 | t4nk001 | ..... |
| 17:19.58 | opposition | you can hack into your passwd file with a boot cd |
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| 17:20.16 | ctmjr | t4nk001: boot into rescue mode give your root password then type "adduser user" then try to login with that |
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| 17:20.24 | t4nk001 | First time I get this problem in Linux |
| 17:20.28 | meta-system | opposition: seem's to encrypt md5 password and know correctly /etc/shadow file using |
| 17:21.02 | meta-system | ctmjr: he don't set password, or don't remember |
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| 17:21.51 | ctmjr | he said he created a root pass word during the install |
| 17:22.02 | opposition | yup |
| 17:22.15 | opposition | he has to set a root password |
| 17:22.27 | meta-system | ctmjr: if it was made, he would connect to tty with it |
| 17:22.37 | t4nk001 | Guys, I will reinstall it |
| 17:22.39 | meta-system | so, he can't |
| 17:22.56 | opposition | 10 minutes to reinstall .... |
| 17:23.37 | opposition | reinstalling is quicker than searching and fixing his root account |
| 17:23.41 | t4nk001 | Thanks anyway |
| 17:23.55 | t4nk001 | True |
| 17:24.13 | opposition | and make sure to set a root account password |
| 17:24.37 | meta-system | opposition: 5 minute to do it when you know :P |
| 17:24.39 | t4nk001 | I will LOOK for it |
| 17:24.48 | opposition | no it will find you |
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| 17:25.17 | t4nk001 | Let's see |
| 17:25.29 | opposition | if it doesnt ... then you gotta set it to a higher verbosity |
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| 17:26.39 | t4nk001 | Find it |
| 17:26.41 | opposition | you could also stick around and ask them to help you hack into your system with a boot cd |
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| 17:26.52 | ctmjr | if the installer does not ask you to create a new user or set a root password then it is broken |
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| 17:26.56 | t4nk001 | Just root password no username right |
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| 17:27.19 | meta-system | t4nk001: not need more than root access... |
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| 17:27.26 | meta-system | (under install) |
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| 17:27.39 | meta-system | you can create access with root |
| 17:27.58 | opposition | the install also should ask you for 1 user account |
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| 17:28.45 | t4nk001 | Still on it. Want to make sure no surprise this time |
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| 17:30.26 | opposition | are you reinstalling t4nk001 ? |
| 17:30.31 | t4nk001 | Yes |
| 17:30.46 | t4nk001 | Dual boot |
| 17:30.58 | t4nk001 | A bit more settings |
| 17:31.58 | opposition | when did it ask you for a root account pass before or after the boot ? |
| 17:32.11 | opposition | i think its before |
| 17:32.27 | opposition | boot/reboot* |
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| 17:33.20 | t4nk001 | After network configuration |
| 17:33.34 | opposition | so before you reboot |
| 17:33.39 | t4nk001 | Yes |
| 17:34.16 | t4nk001 | I don't know how I got it installed before |
| 17:34.47 | opposition | im not sure but you gotta set a root pass you cannot just discard it and go to the next screen, cause they switched off the option for empty password presumably |
| 17:35.18 | t4nk001 | I hope this time will be fine |
| 17:35.26 | opposition | and its also not advisable to have an empty root password |
| 17:35.34 | t4nk001 | Still waiting for the process to complete |
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| 17:36.06 | opposition | are you new to linux t4nk001 ? |
| 17:36.38 | t4nk001 | About a year now |
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| 17:37.00 | opposition | oh then a couple or reinstalls dont hurt ;) |
| 17:37.43 | t4nk001 | Yeah. I suppose |
| 17:37.56 | ctmjr | t4nk001: did you create a user account? |
| 17:38.00 | t4nk001 | Yes |
| 17:38.05 | t4nk001 | User and root |
| 17:38.22 | t4nk001 | Seem to be fine now |
| 17:38.26 | ctmjr | t4nk001: good |
| 17:39.35 | t4nk001 | I really enjoy linux. I would abandon ms if I am not a student |
| 17:39.50 | ctmjr | and fyi if you do not set a root password it defaults to the user password there is no such thing as an empty root password in debian |
| 17:39.57 | opposition | we have faith you will t4nk001 |
| 17:40.16 | opposition | empty passes are optional in linux |
| 17:40.35 | t4nk001 | Liber office does not match Microsoft office |
| 17:40.51 | t4nk001 | My major problem with Linux |
| 17:40.58 | t4nk001 | Have to dual boot |
| 17:41.03 | ctmjr | did i say linux i said debian |
| 17:41.07 | opposition | M$ serves practiaclly no use other than some doc documents |
| 17:41.15 | opposition | m$ office that is |
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| 17:41.51 | t4nk001 | I got problems with supervisor because of it |
| 17:42.11 | opposition | yea ? is it obligatory ? |
| 17:42.11 | t4nk001 | My figures messed up |
| 17:42.27 | t4nk001 | They cannot read my work |
| 17:43.33 | opposition | did you advice them to install debian ? |
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| 17:43.56 | t4nk001 | Difficult |
| 17:43.57 | opposition | to have themselves a nice dual boot computer ? |
| 17:44.24 | t4nk001 | They won't do that for me for sure |
| 17:44.44 | t4nk001 | never mess with ur supervisor |
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| 17:46.08 | opposition | i sense there is a rebel inside you |
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| 17:47.02 | r4co0n | t4nk001, you might be fine without "bare-bone" m$, i would suggest you consider running win from a virtual machine or, maybe even better, run your needed applications through wine... |
| 17:47.19 | opposition | did you know that most hackers use linux ? cause its just the perfect environment for developping hacking tools |
| 17:47.42 | t4nk001 | Kali linux |
| 17:48.00 | opposition | r4co0n: there you go |
| 17:48.07 | t4nk001 | I tried |
| 17:48.22 | r4co0n | what failed? |
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| 17:48.30 | t4nk001 | Not easy for me to use |
| 17:48.38 | t4nk001 | I am not a hacker |
| 17:49.02 | t4nk001 | not suite able for my needs |
| 17:49.05 | opposition | linux offers you the solution to run windowz inside linux |
| 17:49.11 | ompaul | oh dear |
| 17:49.26 | t4nk001 | I know that . Wine |
| 17:49.45 | opposition | wine is actually spelled whine |
| 17:49.53 | ctmjr | chit-chat goes to #debian-offtopic |
| 17:49.55 | t4nk001 | I'd rather dual boot |
| 17:50.01 | opposition | its a tool for those nerds that cannot do without windowz |
| 17:50.30 | r4co0n | i still think hacker means "an expert at programming and solving problems with a computer" and not an exploit-writer/user or whatever |
| 17:50.37 | t4nk001 | Sorry. Thanks for ur help. U guys r cool |
| 17:50.47 | ompaul | I thinks that ctmjr had a point |
| 17:50.47 | opposition | lol r4co0n |
| 17:51.10 | fattratt | Hello. I was here this morning with a boot up problem. Booting with nomodeset allows the system to boot, but I am now stuck with low resolution. I suppose now I need to boot without nomodeset and then get the logs and show some of them to you. I think the problem is to do with how a recent security update to wheeze interacts with my NVIDIA graphics card. |
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| 17:51.23 | fattratt | Thanks for all your help so far. |
| 17:51.33 | r4co0n | opposition, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_%28term%29#Hacker_definition_controversy |
| 17:51.44 | opposition | ha ha |
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| 17:52.46 | r4co0n | opposition, """For example, "Linus Torvalds, the creator of Linux, is considered by some to be a hacker." """ |
| 17:53.10 | opposition | by the whole top of M$ |
| 17:53.29 | r4co0n | nah |
| 17:53.33 | opposition | we consider linus a friend |
| 17:53.46 | opposition | and a rebel too |
| 17:53.54 | r4co0n | those guys think they honor linus by considering him a hacker |
| 17:54.02 | r4co0n | the term emerged at bell labs iinm |
| 17:54.07 | eest | r4co0n: yeah hacker is of course used for both meanings described |
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| 17:54.39 | eest | depending on the context |
| 17:54.40 | opposition | some might even say linus torvalds is the return of jesus |
| 17:54.56 | ctmjr | dpkg: offtopic |
| 17:54.57 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 17:55.39 | ompaul | fattratt: what chipset is on the box |
| 17:55.41 | GreenJim | ChrisH: for info, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=758688 |
| 17:56.26 | ompaul | fattratt: which kind of nvidia is on that computer |
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| 18:06.56 | halt | HI all, I have few debian servers which have a folder in common the current setup use rsync from cron to sync the content but I'm searching for a new soltution, which software has better support on debian ? |
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| 18:07.33 | ompaul | halt: what is the data use case and |
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| 18:07.48 | ompaul | any other useful info that explain why rsync doesnt cut it anymore |
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| 18:08.50 | halt | the data is web assets, and the reson why the rsync is not good, because it's eat the CPU on the target hosts |
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| 18:09.13 | ompaul | how much data is there |
| 18:09.18 | halt | also not continuous |
| 18:09.37 | ompaul | so really you want a back end database with duplication |
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| 18:11.10 | halt | checking the size, I do not know it top of my head, and why I should resolve it on the server leave is beacsue the CMS touch this stuff and we have no resource to update the code right now |
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| 18:13.11 | ompaul | you can break up rsync jobs across directory structures if you have them and use --bwlimit (I think it is called you'd have to check) |
| 18:13.31 | ompaul | if you have directory structures the smaller the job the faster it gets done |
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| 18:14.47 | halt | that's an interesting approach, I'm not sure yet with the structure but will double check it, yet it's seams to be big, since the du still running .. |
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| 18:15.38 | meta-system | halt: do you use -z ? |
| 18:15.45 | opposition | hi linuxguy101 |
| 18:15.52 | ompaul | halt: rsync is very tunable |
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| 18:16.12 | linuxguy101 | hi opposition |
| 18:16.33 | fattratt | ompaul: Sorry, I was browsing the web. I've got an AMD Athlon processor and NVIDIA everything else. I'm running in i386 mode. |
| 18:16.38 | meta-system | halt: some friend have same problem because he use lzo compression when using rsync, but on small cpu it is very crazy |
| 18:16.44 | halt | meta-system: no, what's that for can't see in in the man |
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| 18:17.02 | fattratt | ompaul: http://pastebin.com/Wisy0DrA |
| 18:17.05 | meta-system | halt: so it is very small processor? |
| 18:17.13 | halt | on on the rysnc no, that's a negative, i was thing you refer to the du |
| 18:17.25 | meta-system | because with lzo compress I can use 20MB/S on via C3 1.2Ghz |
| 18:17.32 | MAxou88 | Hi I try to run a php script with SSH but dont work. With chrome that work. |
| 18:18.02 | halt | meta-system: actualy no it's not a small cpu 8 cores, but it's still bumps up quite high |
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| 18:18.30 | no_gravity | Hello! In this day and age, how do you enable flash in chromium in debian? |
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| 18:18.47 | davis | anybody know how to capture output from a executable started with dash shell? I've seen some samples using bash but they do not work. |
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| 18:18.57 | valdyn | no_gravity: install pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:18.58 | meta-system | halt: on rpi, with arm 700mhz processor, we can rsync at 5MB/S (because eth and usb are on the same slot) |
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| 18:19.02 | meta-system | do you need more? |
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| 18:19.08 | edoardo | hello |
| 18:19.12 | edoardo | i'm on debian jessie |
| 18:19.14 | no_gravity | valdyn: "apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree" ? |
| 18:19.19 | edoardo | i'd like to install lxqt http://lxqt.org/ |
| 18:19.21 | valdyn | no_gravity: of course |
| 18:19.28 | edoardo | is there a version in the debian repo? i couldn't find it |
| 18:19.33 | halt | ompaul: I check the size, it's almost 6 GB but it's it's tons of small files |
| 18:19.47 | meta-system | edoardo: I don't think |
| 18:19.52 | no_gravity | valdyn: E: Unable to locate package pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:19.53 | meta-system | possibly you must use ppa |
| 18:20.02 | valdyn | !non-free |
| 18:20.03 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:20.08 | valdyn | no_gravity: ^^ |
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| 18:20.28 | no_gravity | valdyn: ??? |
| 18:20.38 | meta-system | edoardo: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/12/install-lxqt-via-ppa-in-ubuntu-14-04-13-10/ |
| 18:20.43 | valdyn | no_gravity: read what dpkg said |
| 18:20.45 | meta-system | (sorry for the ubuntu link) |
| 18:21.07 | no_gravity | valdyn: it said... "ask me about non free sources" or something... |
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| 18:21.21 | valdyn | no_gravity: you dont know how to as it? |
| 18:21.24 | edoardo | meta-system: wouldn't that break the system? |
| 18:21.31 | valdyn | no_gravity: /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 18:21.35 | meta-system | edoardo: I think no... |
| 18:21.52 | meta-system | It seems to make some minor problem with qt4 version |
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| 18:22.06 | meta-system | but, I don't think any package is in core system |
| 18:22.09 | no_gravity | valdyn: im lost. starting firefox for now. |
| 18:22.10 | behael | does anyone here runs ldap+kerb+NSS+AD? |
| 18:22.27 | valdyn | no_gravity: in your irc client you type literally "/msg dpkg non-free" |
| 18:22.34 | valdyn | no_gravity: in your irc client you type literally "/msg dpkg non-free sources" |
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| 18:22.48 | ctmjr | edoardo: debian does not use ppa's that is bad advice and yes it can break your system |
| 18:22.51 | no_gravity | valdyn: i did that. and it told me some stuff. but it seems complicated. starting firefox is easier. |
| 18:23.04 | meta-system | ctmjr: with wich package? |
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| 18:23.36 | ctmjr | any ppa is bad in debain |
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| 18:23.48 | Roper_ | ext4 is recommended for ssds right? |
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| 18:24.10 | no_gravity | valdyn: i would be surprises if i dont already have non-free stuff, because i have flash in firefox and i can play and encode mp3s. |
| 18:24.10 | dob1 | hi, i have debian stable, an update, dist-upgrade i get this http://pastebin.com/U3WZ3knF why it wants to install these packages ? i don't need them |
| 18:24.13 | valdyn | Roper_: ext4 is probably recommended, but not particularily on ssd |
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| 18:24.25 | valdyn | Roper_: so its a good choice, yes |
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| 18:24.36 | meta-system | ctmjr: possibly, but if it is not on qt package, lxqt is very minor package list |
| 18:24.41 | no_gravity | valdyn: i have this in my sources.list: deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 18:24.45 | meta-system | only DE environnement, no core package |
| 18:24.48 | Roper_ | it used logged ext4 by default |
| 18:24.49 | qman__ | meta-system: PPAs are an ubuntu thing, debian does not have or support them |
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| 18:25.07 | valdyn | !versions pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:25.18 | Roper_ | but is logging not the reason why ssds do unneccesary write cycles? |
| 18:25.20 | meta-system | qman__: I understand, but if you want to test, if you don't have ppa, you build all package from source? |
| 18:25.23 | meta-system | with dependancies ? |
| 18:25.28 | meta-system | it is crazy, no? |
| 18:25.30 | valdyn | no_gravity: asking the bot if it even exists in wheezy |
| 18:25.36 | qman__ | meta-system: telling people to install ubuntu packages on debian is bad advice, always |
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| 18:25.53 | qman__ | meta-system: compiling from source is the correct way |
| 18:26.00 | valdyn | no_gravity: your sources.list entry looks good anyway |
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| 18:26.11 | meta-system | qman__: so, If i compare on my funtoo with lxqt |
| 18:26.23 | meta-system | he would compile approximatively 200 package |
| 18:26.26 | valdyn | judd: versions pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:26.27 | judd | Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; sid/contrib: 1.5; jessie/contrib: 1.5 |
| 18:26.31 | qman__ | Correct |
| 18:26.34 | no_gravity | valdyn: looks good, but i dont have flash in chromium. |
| 18:26.38 | meta-system | with many chance to corrupt whole the system |
| 18:26.39 | valdyn | no_gravity: looks like it is only in backports |
| 18:26.43 | dob1 | well i see, it was owncloud |
| 18:26.57 | no_gravity | valdyn: whatever backports is. i will just use firefox when flash is needed. |
| 18:27.01 | valdyn | no_gravity: the plugin is only in backports/contrib |
| 18:27.06 | meta-system | qman__: finally, ppa guive more time and seems not to be so dangerous |
| 18:27.10 | fattratt | ompaul: Perhaps this is relevant? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754108 |
| 18:27.13 | meta-system | *give |
| 18:27.15 | no_gravity | valdyn: thats a repository? |
| 18:27.21 | qman__ | meta-system: it is plenty dangerous |
| 18:27.22 | valdyn | no_gravity: yes |
| 18:27.27 | no_gravity | valdyn: ok. thanks for the info. |
| 18:27.41 | valdyn | no_gravity: since its only in backports, i dont know if flash exists for plain wheezy |
| 18:27.41 | meta-system | qman__: I think it is plenty dangerous to compile 200 package without portage tree |
| 18:27.49 | qman__ | meta-system: never install ubuntu packages on debian, and vice versa; only install packages for your system |
| 18:27.54 | meta-system | or, if he many times install LFS |
| 18:28.09 | meta-system | qman__: so, if he want's to test lxqt ? |
| 18:28.18 | qman__ | Doing so is unsupported |
| 18:28.26 | meta-system | if I understand |
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| 18:28.48 | meta-system | qman__: so, finally, if it is not supported, but he want to test |
| 18:28.59 | meta-system | compile or ppa is a bad idea |
| 18:29.14 | meta-system | so, finally not one more bad idea than other |
| 18:29.19 | qman__ | Wrong |
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| 18:29.52 | meta-system | qman__: do you have compiled 200 package in your debian without any tree to indicate what flags use? |
| 18:30.21 | meta-system | I have test only 50 and it is not usable |
| 18:30.34 | valdyn | are we even talking about 50? |
| 18:30.42 | qman__ | It doesn't matter; this is the official debian support channel, telling people to use ppas is bad advice, always, period |
| 18:30.52 | qman__ | Don't do it here |
| 18:31.12 | meta-system | qman__: so, he tell us what kind of method to install lxqt |
| 18:31.32 | meta-system | if I don't answer, where is community spirit? |
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| 18:32.07 | meta-system | stop sectarianism |
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| 18:32.27 | valdyn | meta-system: please stop it |
| 18:34.41 | halt | ompaul: meta-system: So I checked the rsync job and it does not seams to be tunable the folder is around 6GB but it's a quarter million files, so I'm much more what to resolve the sync with alternative solutions since the diff is small compeering to the size and volume, any recommendation ? |
| 18:35.33 | valdyn | halt: btrfs can do this |
| 18:35.58 | valdyn | halt: rsync should always be slow for this I think |
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| 18:36.22 | valdyn | halt: how often do you need to do this though? |
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| 18:41.20 | halt | valdyn: the ideal solution is continuous |
| 18:41.27 | opposition | linuxguy101: how are you doing ? |
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| 18:42.33 | meta-system | valdyn: use btrfs on prod computer is not a good idea |
| 18:42.38 | meta-system | btrfs is not stable... |
| 18:43.14 | meta-system | halt you can use simlink to reduce file transfert |
| 18:43.20 | Roper_ | how to disable journaling during install? |
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| 18:43.34 | meta-system | build differential script |
| 18:43.38 | Roper_ | anyone know how to do this? |
| 18:43.42 | meta-system | it exist on the web |
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| 18:44.20 | valdyn | halt: then you need something like drbd maybe |
| 18:44.43 | halt | valdyn: just reading about that right now, that's seams to be a good solution |
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| 18:45.30 | valdyn | Roper_: why would you do that? |
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| 18:45.49 | arat | hi |
| 18:45.52 | Roper_ | ssd last longer maybe? |
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| 18:46.10 | arat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.13 | arat | who can help? |
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| 18:46.25 | valdyn | Roper_: i doubt that it would last significantly longer |
| 18:47.00 | arat | how can i implement that sequence at boot? |
| 18:47.24 | qman__ | Roper_: unless you have a workload you know is going to burn it out fast, not really needed |
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| 18:48.33 | Roper_ | its a small ssd so wont the same be more rewritten in general? |
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| 18:48.43 | Roper_ | same cell* |
| 18:48.59 | adamsilver | Guys when this cron is executed: * 12 * * 5 ? |
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| 18:50.12 | qman__ | adamsilver: every minute of the 12th hour of every Friday |
| 18:50.40 | dob1 | if i have a package in more than one repository how can i know which apt will choose with apt-get install? |
| 18:51.08 | qman__ | dob1: it will choose the newest, provided both are installable |
| 18:51.13 | valdyn | dob1: "apt-cache policy <packagename>" |
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| 18:51.59 | qman__ | And by newest I mean highest version |
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| 18:52.41 | adamsilver | qman__: so it's called 60 times every friday? |
| 18:52.48 | qman__ | Correct |
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| 18:54.09 | dob1 | ok so i found the package that it will use but this package reccomends libreoffice-writer but on apt-get install it will want to install libreoffice-writer |
| 18:54.12 | adamsilver | qman__: :( i messed up big time. it's for mailing users and I wanted it to run once every friday and now I am getting many complaints and spam flags. |
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| 18:54.33 | dob1 | i don't understand why |
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| 18:56.28 | qman__ | dob1: recommends are installed by default; to not install them, use --no-install-recommends |
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| 18:57.36 | qman__ | adamsilver: change that first * to the minute-of-hour you desire |
| 18:57.46 | mistnim | hello, I'm on jessie, do you know in which package winegcc is? |
| 18:57.56 | dob1 | qman__, maybe i was confused with suggested ? they are non installed by default |
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| 18:59.49 | dob1 | qman__, sorry, just another question, but when this package will be updated, on apt-get dist-upgrade, will it try to install the recommends packages again? if so, how can i force to do not do this for this package? |
| 19:00.13 | qman__ | dob1: no, upgrades will only upgrade |
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| 19:01.22 | qman__ | dob1: dist-upgrade may install recommends but only if it needs to install a new package, and only the recommends of that package |
| 19:01.48 | adamsilver | qman__: so this will run my cron only once in friday: 0 12 * * 5 |
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| 19:02.09 | qman__ | adamsilver: yes |
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| 19:02.18 | dob1 | qman__, dist-upgrade will prompt me to install reccomends of this package |
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| 19:03.09 | Aaron_ | Setting up initscripts (2.88dsf-53.3) ... |
| 19:03.09 | Aaron_ | insserv: script checkroot.sh: service mtab already provided! |
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| 19:03.15 | qman__ | dob1: it will only prompt to install recommends if it needs to install a new package, and only the recommends of that new package |
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| 19:03.49 | qman__ | dob1: not the recommends of an already installed package that you chose to not install |
| 19:05.35 | dob1 | qman__, i get it, thanks |
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| 19:19.29 | MasterRoot24 | Is it possible to perform a minimal install of Debian from a LiveCD? |
| 19:20.41 | opposition | sure |
| 19:20.55 | opposition | oh live cd |
| 19:21.12 | opposition | download a boot cd |
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| 19:21.24 | opposition | or iso image |
| 19:22.15 | Ssquidly | do you guys know of a tool to configure wireless access in the term ? something ncurses based maybe.. ( no i don't wan't to use any graphical tool ) |
| 19:22.49 | raccoon_ | Ssquidly: wicd-curses |
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| 19:23.17 | MasterRoot24 | Yeah, I'd like to have a LiveCD image on a USB drive, but also the option to perform a minimal install from said USB drive. Short of creating a multiboot USB, I'm not sure this is possible... |
| 19:23.47 | opposition | no i dont think it is |
| 19:23.48 | Ssquidly | raccoon_: i'll try but I heard that it messes with the configuration in the interfaces file |
| 19:24.00 | MasterRoot24 | :/ |
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| 19:36.52 | logan0405 | baby im back |
| 19:36.58 | logan0405 | im so sorry i ditched you for linux mint |
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| 19:37.05 | logan0405 | do you still wanna be with me? |
| 19:37.08 | logan0405 | lo |
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| 19:38.43 | logan0405 | hey btw anyone know why package xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd isnt available in debian |
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| 19:41.16 | opposition | welcome back logan0405 |
| 19:41.38 | logan0405 | :) |
| 19:42.36 | decrypt | logan0405, p xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd - X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI r5xx-r7xx alternate display driver |
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| 19:43.28 | logan0405 | hey |
| 19:43.33 | logan0405 | yeah i couldnt find that package decrypt |
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| 19:44.22 | decrypt | I don't know if this is in the regular repository or was because I've added backports |
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| 19:44.46 | logan0405 | ok |
| 19:44.48 | decrypt | sorry english isn't my navite language :) |
| 19:45.08 | decrypt | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free |
| 19:45.21 | logan0405 | ah ya |
| 19:45.28 | logan0405 | i do believe ur right backports |
| 19:45.34 | logan0405 | ty |
| 19:45.40 | decrypt | try this |
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| 19:45.59 | jelly-home | logan0405: radeonhd driver is not maintained any more |
| 19:46.06 | jelly-home | ,v xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 19:46.07 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd on i386 -- squeeze: 1.3.0-3 |
| 19:46.13 | logan0405 | oh |
| 19:46.17 | logan0405 | whys that jelly-home |
| 19:46.31 | logan0405 | too old? |
| 19:46.34 | Shadow_7 | I believe it was merged into radeon driver |
| 19:46.38 | logan0405 | oh |
| 19:46.41 | logan0405 | i see |
| 19:46.46 | logan0405 | i thought it mightve been |
| 19:47.02 | jelly-home | logan0405: "too old" is just saying the same thing, not a reason. use "radeon" instead. |
| 19:47.05 | logan0405 | whenever i reinstall debian, it doesnt work obo |
| 19:47.13 | Shadow_7 | at least for glibc >= 2.14... and kernels > 3.4... aka not wheezy |
| 19:47.13 | jelly-home | !radeon firmware |
| 19:47.14 | dpkg | Binary-only firmware was removed from the radeon <DRM> driver at linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009) and is packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not required for use of the <fglrx> driver. |
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| 19:47.17 | logan0405 | i have to install proprietary driver |
| 19:47.23 | jelly-home | logan0405: ^^ your card might need that |
| 19:47.30 | logan0405 | ah |
| 19:47.32 | decrypt | http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd/ |
| 19:47.33 | logan0405 | fair enuf |
| 19:48.02 | jelly-home | logan0405: what's the failure mode, how does it not work? |
| 19:48.28 | logan0405 | gnome doesnt start properly |
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| 19:48.38 | logan0405 | gnome 3 failed to load |
| 19:48.51 | logan0405 | and my computer chugs along seems to not be using gfx card |
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| 19:49.01 | jelly-home | logan0405: that sounds like missing 3d. Does the login screen show up and work, before that? |
| 19:49.01 | logan0405 | but when i install propreitary it works fine |
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| 19:49.13 | logan0405 | yepp |
| 19:49.14 | logan0405 | it works |
| 19:49.16 | logan0405 | im in it right now |
| 19:49.21 | logan0405 | it falls back to older gnome |
| 19:49.21 | jelly-home | install firmware-linux-nonfree then |
| 19:49.35 | jelly-home | !tell logan0405 about non-free sources |
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| 20:02.47 | logan0405 | hey guys thanks for the help just reinstalled |
| 20:02.50 | logan0405 | now gnome works good |
| 20:03.01 | logan0405 | i cant tell if my performance is completely up to par though |
| 20:03.14 | logan0405 | my computer still seems louder than normal might be imagining it haha |
| 20:03.21 | logan0405 | anything else id have to do for radeon hd? |
| 20:03.49 | logan0405 | i installed firmware-linux-nonfree package |
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| 20:11.02 | Utils | I've got a problem while modifying my FQDN. In the following paste, will show my hosts (IP removed) before reboot, and then what it looks like after reboot. Before reboot, my FQDN is venus.example.com but after, it's venus. http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f7787011/ Any idea why it modifies after reboot? |
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| 20:13.02 | logan0405 | whats up arat |
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| 20:13.09 | logan0405 | sorry i dont have that otr program |
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| 20:14.23 | NeV3rKilL | hello |
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| 20:15.26 | logan0405 | hey |
| 20:16.06 | ompaul | Utils: set this line instead 127.0.1.1 saturn.your.whatever saturn and see how you go |
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| 20:18.14 | Utils | remove the MYIP line? |
| 20:18.27 | ompaul | Utils: I gave you the ip to stick in there :) |
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| 20:18.52 | die7 | looking for debinal-installer (iso) 64bit without efi crap since having mac min 2007 32bit EFI but 64bit CPU, wonna 64bit |
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| 20:19.29 | ompaul | die7: care to say that in english, it is a little hard to parse |
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| 20:20.25 | somiaj | die7: the debian installers for wheezy support both efi and legacy mbr, the one used depends on how the machine boots. The debian-live images do not support efi last I checked, you could also use those to install debian if you can't configure the mac mini to boot correctly from the debian installer image. |
| 20:20.25 | die7 | ompaul: looking for a iso x86_64bit without EFI crap..better? |
| 20:20.47 | die7 | ompaul: cool realy that's great |
| 20:20.57 | somiaj | but it should not matter that the installer supports efi, it is how the machine is configured to boot that is the issue. You should be able to boot it in legacy mode |
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| 20:21.00 | ompaul | die7: you wanted somiaj :) |
| 20:21.27 | die7 | ompaul: since no way to get boot netinstall cd since EFI 32 |
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| 20:21.50 | ompaul | die7: this is a mac mini? |
| 20:21.55 | die7 | ompaul: jepp |
| 20:22.05 | ompaul | die7: I can't parse that it looks like yes |
| 20:22.08 | die7 | ompaul: oldone 2.1 mid 2007 |
| 20:22.13 | ompaul | gaaaa |
| 20:22.16 | ompaul | gives up |
| 20:22.39 | die7 | ompaul: :) yes it is |
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| 20:23.03 | ompaul | die7: look here https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 20:23.49 | die7 | ompaul: I know about netinstall cd but not worrking with 32bit EFI, boot stuck |
| 20:23.59 | die7 | ompaul: will try live cd |
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| 20:24.26 | ompaul | https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 20:25.24 | nodiscc | Hi, does a anyone know a simple config management tool where I can just say: set this option to this value in this file, regardless of the config file format? with a simple CLI syntax |
| 20:25.32 | die7 | ompaul: thx |
| 20:25.35 | nodiscc | I've looked at augeas but not very convinced |
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| 20:27.12 | Utils | ompaul I did what you said, and it changed it back to MYIP venus, after the reboot like it did before? |
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| 20:29.02 | ompaul | Utils: I've no such problems on my network, never heard of such an issue. |
| 20:29.21 | ompaul | Utils: are you setting static ips or taking network data from somewhere like a dhcp server? |
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| 20:31.02 | Utils | erm... well I know I have one static IPv4 given by my host, otherwise I'm unsure. Would it be best if I just contacted my host? |
| 20:31.43 | ompaul | Utils: it is a vps ... I'd chat with them. |
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| 20:33.45 | somiaj | nodiscc: I don't think something like that would be that universial as that tool would have to understand the config format of all programs it can alter. Does debconf not do this enough for you? |
| 20:34.25 | nodiscc | somiaj: yes thats my point, i have lua config files, ini-style, whatever. Does debconf do that? |
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| 20:37.37 | somiaj | nodiscc: debconf is the standard tool debian packages use to deal with config files. Sometimes they give you options you can set/adjust when you install a package or change later with dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 20:38.20 | somiaj | nodiscc: but each matainer configures it for the config format of the package they matain I don't think by default it would do what you wanted. I was more courious if the configs options you want to change can be easily changed with dpkg-reconfigure or debconf options. |
| 20:39.19 | nodiscc | somiaj: ok, will definitely check. Or I might install a config management like ansible,chef but its a bit overkill. Or do it with sed/awk like I do now |
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| 20:40.04 | nodiscc | likely thay can't be changed with debconf by default, without a bit of work. server configs and the like |
| 20:40.29 | nodiscc | XMPP server settings, transmission-daemon settings... the like |
| 20:40.42 | nodiscc | thanks |
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| 20:42.44 | bogus- | hm why are the kernels in backports marked as only for installer purposes, is it that unsafe? |
| 20:43.43 | somiaj | nodiscc: why are you wanting this, are you wanting to do quick configureations on lots of different machiens? |
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| 20:44.47 | somiaj | bogus-: what do you mean marked as only for installer? |
| 20:44.58 | bogus- | lemme look |
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| 20:45.49 | bogus- | hm :) |
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| 20:46.30 | bogus- | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/kernel-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64-di |
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| 20:46.45 | bogus- | only packages with -di suffix |
| 20:47.24 | nodiscc | somiaj: not so many machines, just want a quick toggle command for my most frequent config changes; instead of firing up a text editor or sed commands |
| 20:47.33 | bogus- | the problem is, I need a more recent kernelversion on a debian stable homeserver, because of the intel_pstate |
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| 20:47.55 | nodiscc | something along the lines of 'setoption option value /path/to/file.cfg' |
| 20:48.11 | logan0405 | hey how can i help fix a bug if i find a fix |
| 20:48.42 | nodiscc | logan0405: in what software? |
| 20:48.48 | logan0405 | nautilus |
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| 20:49.35 | logan0405 | anyone else have the bug what opening home directory w/o other open nautilus, it hangs saying "opening usernamehere" |
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| 20:49.38 | nodiscc | is the bug reported on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/? also check https://wiki.gnome.org/Community/GettingInTouch/IRC |
| 20:50.02 | nodiscc | you'd better file a bug there and attach your patch |
| 20:50.07 | logan0405 | ok |
| 20:50.15 | logan0405 | ill do a bit further looking into it first |
| 20:50.29 | ScottE | bogus-: The main issue that I know of is that some drivers (nvidia being a notable one) may not work on the backported kernel. I'm using the 3.14 backport all over the place - it works just fine for me with that caveat |
| 20:50.34 | logan0405 | its just been there for a few months is why i ask |
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| 20:51.04 | somiaj | bogus-: yea I don't know what those -di (debian installer) kernels are for, maybe to put a newer kernel in the installer. Just get the backport kernel not the -di one. |
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| 20:52.07 | logan0405 | its weird, it only happens when i open nautilus from another program like firefox or gnome |
| 20:52.12 | logan0405 | terminal it works fine |
| 20:52.13 | bogus- | ok thanks ScottE and somiaj |
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| 20:52.38 | bogus- | then I'm gonna try it, if something breaks: it's just a homeserver, not mission critical stuff ;) |
| 20:52.59 | ScottE | bogus-: yep, it won't replace your current kernel either, just adds it to the grub menu |
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| 20:53.08 | bogus- | yea, I know |
| 20:53.25 | bogus- | It's not that I'm afraid of compiling my own kernels either ;) |
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| 20:54.21 | logan0405 | hmm is it even worth trying to get it fixed? |
| 20:54.34 | logan0405 | many other people have posted solution but its been there for a few months why is that? |
| 20:54.36 | opposition | logan0405: if you download the source code of nautilus you can track down the bug |
| 20:54.41 | logan0405 | ok |
| 20:54.48 | logan0405 | i will do that if you think they might accept my fix |
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| 20:55.06 | opposition | if you send them the patch they will sure |
| 20:55.13 | logan0405 | ok ill figure it out thanks |
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| 20:55.19 | logan0405 | would love to help |
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| 20:55.41 | opposition | you could also file a bug report to the code maintainers so they fix the bug for you |
| 20:55.58 | logan0405 | ok |
| 20:56.08 | logan0405 | lemme try compiling latest version of nautilus first |
| 20:56.11 | bogus- | a fix is probably better ;-) |
| 20:56.31 | logan0405 | and make sure its not just a verison on debian |
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| 21:08.44 | bbtech | I just installed debian with lvm encryption. Now, I'm trying to copy 8GB from the disk to a usb and it is taking hours. Is something not setup correctly? |
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| 21:09.30 | bbtech | I'm getting about 2.5 GB per hour |
| 21:09.41 | bbtech | this copy is from an ssd drive |
| 21:09.48 | jolt | Usb2 or 3? |
| 21:09.50 | shay_shay | horay for debian |
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| 21:09.59 | bbtech | jolt: should be 3 it's a new laptop |
| 21:10.14 | jolt | bbtech: Probably worth to double check. 2 is slow as crap |
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| 21:10.50 | jolt | bbtech: Might be some prop driver for 3 depending on chipset support. Or that not all ports are USB3. YMMV |
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| 21:13.00 | Halma | h3ll0 |
| 21:13.10 | shay_shay | ^ |
| 21:13.32 | shay_shay | h4i |
| 21:13.46 | Halma | is there any way to restore an hardrive image with dd and ssh onto the own host? |
| 21:14.04 | Halma | like cutting the legs of ^^ |
| 21:14.38 | Halma | if you do dd if=file | ssh user@desthost 'dd of=/dev/sda' i mean |
| 21:14.53 | teraflops | Halma: yes |
| 21:15.07 | Halma | how for me it works only from a booted rescue disc |
| 21:16.11 | qman__ | You cannot restore over a mounted filesystem |
| 21:16.25 | Halma | the host which i like to restore runs from ram after boot has done |
| 21:16.40 | Halma | but before it reads from from a local root filesystem |
| 21:17.08 | qman__ | It needs to completely unmount that filesystem first |
| 21:17.11 | Halma | this means monted "/" and "/dev/sda1" makes trouble while doing dd ? |
| 21:17.12 | teraflops | Halma: own? |
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| 21:18.25 | Halma | so dd doesnt not overwrite mounted filesystem or better to say "bs" ? |
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| 21:18.56 | qman__ | It can but its extremely bad to do so |
| 21:19.08 | qman__ | Why do you want to do that? |
| 21:19.17 | Halma | how ? like an "-force" switch ? |
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| 21:20.02 | Halma | i want to do an easy backup solution |
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| 21:20.10 | qman__ | Use rsync |
| 21:20.22 | Halma | cause i am creating an image file wich contains all the system stuff |
| 21:20.24 | dontknow | is there a simple software to read epub files? |
| 21:20.24 | teraflops | use rsync or clonecilla or whatever |
| 21:20.36 | Halma | no way on the own system ? |
| 21:20.44 | Halma | i dont want any additional stuff |
| 21:20.45 | dontknow | except calibre |
| 21:20.49 | Halma | tiny as possible |
| 21:20.49 | shay_shay | rsnapshot buddy |
| 21:21.11 | jolt | Halma: if you want it tiny, then you definitely don't want the whole filesystem as an image |
| 21:21.21 | qman__ | Don't use dd for backups, its slow, inefficient, and heavy handed |
| 21:21.27 | shay_shay | you want your backups to be instantly bootable think about using btrfs snapshots |
| 21:21.35 | qman__ | Use rsync or a tool built on rsync |
| 21:22.04 | shay_shay | rsnapshot is king^ |
| 21:22.12 | Halma | thats not what i want id like to use the build in tools such as dd .. there must be way to do that |
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| 21:22.37 | arat | hi |
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| 21:23.02 | l_r | i have a new laptop |
| 21:23.09 | l_r | now the hard choice |
| 21:23.09 | shay_shay | Halma: even if you wanted to use dd, dd is not a forensics quality tool. you would want to look at gddrescue which was intended to replaceme dd |
| 21:23.17 | l_r | which os and desktop |
| 21:23.28 | l_r | i thought of debian + kde |
| 21:24.41 | shay_shay | Halma: often times with dd you end up copying the whole hdd just to make an image with a corrupt file system |
| 21:25.11 | shay_shay | rsync doesnt copy the filesystem, just the files and permissions and contexts |
| 21:25.20 | qman__ | Halma: you are asking how to build a shed with a bulldozer - its a bad idea, use the right tool for the job, use rsync |
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| 21:27.33 | Halma | the image is clean i can put it with dd on different devices to boot from |
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| 21:28.18 | shay_shay | O.o |
| 21:28.40 | shay_shay | with dd you cant use depupliction like you can with rsync |
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| 21:28.55 | shay_shay | meaning your backups will be less useful because youll have room for fewer of them |
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| 21:29.00 | Halma | the image has a size of 256MB |
| 21:29.07 | Halma | its a tiny system |
| 21:29.11 | NightMonkey | Howdy. I'm having trouble maintaining an NFS mount across reboots. The NFS mount is, yes, over Wifi. How do I make the startup process pause for networking to be up before attempting to mounting NFS? |
| 21:29.37 | bbtech | jolt, good call! 21MB/sec on one port and 500 kb/sec on another port |
| 21:30.39 | shay_shay | Halma: i was making compressed dd images from my raspberry pi sdcard, and one time i made one and needed to restore it later and it wouldnt boot. i tried to mount it but since it was actually two partitions i had to split it before i could mount it. i tried this several times and no worky |
| 21:30.40 | NightMonkey | Is there a 'debian way' I'm missing? |
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| 21:31.08 | shay_shay | i may have made some small mistake somewhere but theres no way to tell. its just too cumbersome to make work reliably |
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| 21:31.52 | shay_shay | i had to use some forensics tools to get my config files out of it and then start over |
| 21:32.05 | shay_shay | if i had used rsync then it wouldnt have happened |
| 21:32.13 | qman__ | dd is great for copying disks; it is terrible for backups |
| 21:32.13 | Halma | better backup before makeing test :) |
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| 21:33.58 | jolt | bbtech: Cheers! |
| 21:34.20 | jolt | bbtech: I only know about it because I've done the same myself |
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| 21:34.35 | Halma | ok lets get back to dd, if i am right .. if you do dd to /dev/sda and something is mounted from this device then dd will be faulty ..right ? |
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| 21:35.32 | jolt | NightMonkey: Have you tried setting _netdev in the mount option? |
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| 21:37.08 | easysd | i have an 8GB SD card and i do not want to use unetbootin to create a bootable SD card to install Debian 7.6 on my laptop. Is there another GNU/Linux GUI app that i can use to do so? i do not want to use dd because it is too wasteful |
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| 21:38.32 | zc1015 | what do you mean by wasteful? |
| 21:38.59 | easysd | i have an 8GB SD card and i do not want to use unetbootin to create a bootable SD card to install Debian 7.6 on my laptop. Is there another GNU/Linux GUI app that i can use to do so? i do not want to use dd PERIOD! |
| 21:39.20 | TJ- | easysd: What's wrong with dd? It does the same thing as every other tool!? |
| 21:39.27 | zc1015 | dd is the answer |
| 21:39.53 | Halma | or use dd_rescue |
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| 21:40.11 | Halma | dd_rescue shows the progress while dd'ing |
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| 21:40.21 | easysd | i do not want to use dd. PERIOD! |
| 21:40.29 | TJ- | easysd: I think you are misunderstanding what a hypbrid ISO/MBR/GPT bootable image requires, and imagining that it needs an entire device to operate |
| 21:41.14 | zc1015 | easysd: that's dumb |
| 21:41.25 | TJ- | easysd: Use debootstrap instead |
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| 21:41.34 | TJ- | debbootstrap even |
| 21:41.55 | easysd | please, is debootstrap newbie friendly and a GUI app? |
| 21:42.03 | mactimes | Halma I've never used dd_rescue, I'll take a look. You might want to see the output for 'pv -pterb isoimage.iso | dd of=/dev/device' |
| 21:42.41 | Halma | @mactimes dd_rescue doesnt need an extra process like "pv" |
| 21:42.51 | Halma | to show progress |
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| 21:43.58 | easysd | is debbootstrap newbie friendly and a GUI app? |
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| 21:48.45 | jhutchins | easysd: User friendly yes, GUY why on earth? |
| 21:48.52 | jhutchins | GUI. |
| 21:49.19 | centrx | You can see it with your visual receptors, so it must be a GUI |
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| 21:50.32 | jelly-home | eas...heh |
| 21:50.39 | zc1015 | he wants to use some external gui app he will need to install instead of just using dd, of which there are a million examples online that are newbie friendly |
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| 21:52.05 | jhutchins | dd is wasteful? |
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| 21:53.40 | jhutchins | Some of these kids are so used to a native GUI that they think the command line is some weird obsolete encumberance, and everything GUI is simpler and more efficient. |
| 21:54.18 | Halma | not if you come from linux/unix :) |
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| 21:54.48 | jhutchins | Halma: Which they rather obviously don't, and aren't to eager to learn about. |
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| 21:56.17 | Halma | the best "gui" is the terminal window |
| 21:56.25 | Halma | all you need :) |
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| 21:57.06 | jhutchins | Halma: All you need is a teletype and a tape reader. |
| 21:57.08 | zc1015 | he didn't even want help using dd. he just didn't want to hear about it "PERIOD" |
| 21:57.34 | Halma | man dd is your friend |
| 21:57.35 | jhutchins | zc1015: Yeah, I've seen a few who were just adamant that using the CLI was WRONG. |
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| 22:01.14 | Halma | 99% on windows does the work into a window..no wonder |
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| 22:01.17 | iu08ds | Anyone ever used cryptsetup-reencrypt? I started a process that will take 702 hours and I would like to revert to the original :) |
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| 22:01.27 | Halma | lol |
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| 22:01.56 | Halma | big cup of tea :) for 702 hours |
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| 22:02.33 | shay_shay | Halma: theres dd_rescue and ddrescue they're two different things |
| 22:02.45 | shay_shay | the one you want is packaged as "gddrescue" |
| 22:02.58 | Halma | ddrescue and dd_rescue are the same |
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| 22:03.21 | shay_shay | no |
| 22:03.25 | jelly-home | Halma: not in Debian, they're slightly different! |
| 22:03.30 | shay_shay | http://askubuntu.com/questions/211578/whats-the-difference-between-ddrescue-gddrescue-and-dd-rescue |
| 22:03.32 | frostschutz | iu08ds, then you probably should save your dmsetup table --showkeys just in case |
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| 22:03.44 | iu08ds | I have the new/log/org files but there is nothing nowhere on reverting to the original |
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| 22:04.46 | l_r | is the win32-setup.exe for the installation from windows reliable? |
| 22:05.07 | l_r | this is win 8.1 |
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| 22:05.27 | iu08ds | frostschutz: what did you mean by that? |
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| 22:05.40 | Halma | @shay did you read complete .. ? |
| 22:05.47 | jhutchins | l_r: It never hs been in the past, don't know aobut one for 8. |
| 22:05.51 | Halma | dd_res and ddres is the same |
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| 22:06.06 | Halma | who cares about windows |
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| 22:07.18 | debusr | hi |
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| 22:07.33 | jhutchins | iu08ds: Do you not have backups? |
| 22:08.06 | iu08ds | the reencrypt tool creates an org file |
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| 22:08.10 | shay_shay | Halma: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/gddrescue/filelist https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/ddrescue/filelist |
| 22:08.11 | frostschutz | iu08ds, have you already cancelled the process or is it still running? |
| 22:08.26 | iu08ds | cancelled |
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| 22:08.35 | frostschutz | iu08ds, org should be the original, new the new header, and log should tell which direction it reencrypted and how far along it was |
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| 22:10.00 | iu08ds | frostschutz: correct |
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| 22:10.25 | iu08ds | the new/org files seem binary |
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| 22:10.48 | frostschutz | iu08ds, cryptsetup luksDump them, check the payload offset, things would be simpler if it were identical |
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| 22:11.33 | debusr | Hat jemand Erfahrungen, wie man nginx einrichtet, bei mir weigert es sich leider, meine index.php anzuzeigen. |
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| 22:12.04 | iu08ds | cryptsetup luksDump /dev/md0 Device /dev/md0 is not a valid LUKS device. |
| 22:12.06 | frostschutz | debusr, try #nginx with english. or just read the wiki, there are examples and everything |
| 22:12.28 | frostschutz | iu08ds, the org and new files are luks headers |
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| 22:12.42 | iu08ds | ok, sounds good? |
| 22:12.50 | frostschutz | you tell me |
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| 22:13.02 | iu08ds | there is also a "direction" parameter in the .log file |
| 22:13.10 | iu08ds | might it be as easy as to flip it? |
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| 22:13.42 | iu08ds | frostschutz: the are indeed backups |
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| 22:13.44 | iu08ds | they |
| 22:14.27 | iu08ds | and the offset in log is 119759962112 |
| 22:14.36 | iu08ds | frostschutz: what did you have in mind doing? |
| 22:15.01 | frostschutz | iu08ds, flipping them is an interesting idea. I don't know if it can be done. If there is no private information in the log, could you nopaste it somewhere? |
| 22:15.27 | frostschutz | iu08ds, I'd do it manually with dd |
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| 22:16.49 | iu08ds | http://pastebin.com/2u6f480b |
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| 22:18.46 | debusr | on my home server runs the latest wheezy. I m comming from open suse and used aplugin for yast as a webserver. now i changed to debian and wanted to run apache but my machine don't likes apache and crashes often. Now i tried nginx and it runns fine with my settings. But it always shows his default page. What am i doing wrong? |
| 22:19.06 | frostschutz | iu08ds, what's the payload offset? (cryptsetup luksDump the org/new files) |
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| 22:19.35 | iu08ds | 4096 |
| 22:19.42 | iu08ds | both |
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| 22:20.14 | l_r | can you tell me what's the compiler version gcc in debian 7.6? |
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| 22:21.47 | serverhorror | l_r: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gcc |
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| 22:22.34 | somiaj | l_r: you can use apt-cache search if you have a wheezy machine, but packages.debian.org works if you need an online resource (: |
| 22:22.47 | shay_shay | ,v gcc |
| 22:22.49 | judd | Package: gcc on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.1-1; sid: 4:4.9.1-3 |
| 22:23.01 | shay_shay | or spam the channel :D |
| 22:23.08 | l_r | but is it possible to upgrade to the gcc from testing from within wheezy 7.6? |
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| 22:23.35 | l_r | i want the 4.4.9 |
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| 22:23.51 | l_r | sorry, 4.9.1 |
| 22:24.16 | l_r | but i don't want to risk to make the system unstable (not for gcc itself) but for the new libstdc++ installed |
| 22:24.16 | iu08ds | frostschutz: it is dawning on me what you may be suggesting but I have no idea on the exact command parameters |
| 22:24.26 | tremon | l_r: gcc 4.7 is the highest version available in wheezy. The easiest would be a testing chroot |
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| 22:25.14 | l_r | tremon, can debian handle a multiversion of gcc? |
| 22:25.36 | l_r | i mean both 4.7.x and 4.9.x |
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| 22:26.01 | tremon | yes, but there are no 4.9 packages for wheezy. |
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| 22:26.51 | l_r | tremon, does that mean the install from testing is not guaranteed to succeed? |
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| 22:27.20 | tremon | it is guaranteed to fail to install |
| 22:27.29 | l_r | what a pity |
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| 22:27.43 | l_r | i really need 4.9.x |
| 22:27.47 | tremon | the gcc packages from testing are built against the libc from testing |
| 22:27.49 | shay_shay | l_r: why not just use a testing chroot like they suggested? |
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| 22:29.17 | shay_shay | look into "debootstrap" it is a utility to install a base debian system in a directory. schroot is a script for managing chroots |
| 22:29.18 | l_r | shay_shay, looks too artificious... i am not going to do manual compilations.. i have autotool based packages etc.. is testing chroot transparent ? |
| 22:29.31 | l_r | ok |
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| 22:30.58 | tremon | l_r: a chroot is not transparent in the sense that you can expect to run chroot commands from your normal shell. But once you're in the chroot, you can expect things to work as if you were on a testing system |
| 22:31.09 | shay_shay | you could also compile it and install it to home directory using ./configure --prefix=$HOME/gcc4.9 |
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| 22:31.30 | tremon | so it is mostly transparent from the program point of view, except that observant packages might notice you're running an older version's kernel |
| 22:32.02 | l_r | i see, kernel differences would not be a problem |
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| 22:33.06 | l_r | the idea is not bad |
| 22:33.16 | l_r | i wonder is it's consolidated |
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| 22:33.26 | l_r | *if |
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| 22:34.11 | tremon | consolidated? |
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| 22:34.55 | l_r | well-established |
| 22:35.02 | l_r | not flawed |
| 22:35.15 | l_r | the implementation i mean |
| 22:35.26 | l_r | deboostrap |
| 22:35.36 | shay_shay | oh its very established |
| 22:35.53 | shay_shay | lol |
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| 22:36.02 | tremon | I'm not completely sure, but I think debootstrap is used by pbuilder to create sane build environments |
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| 22:36.30 | tremon | if that's true, than debootstrap is at least well-established enough to build all packages in the debian archive :) |
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| 22:37.47 | tremon | at the very least, it is an officially supported means of installing a debian system |
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| 22:38.56 | shay_shay | that gives me an idea |
| 22:39.18 | shay_shay | i have a vm with btrfs subvolumes, i should debootstrap a subvolume and then boot it |
| 22:40.56 | tremon | you can, but debootstrap will not populate some basic files that the installer does. This mainly pertains to the base config, so hostname, users (passwd), and mounts (fstab). So make sure you create/edit these files |
| 22:41.52 | shay_shay | yeah theres a guide on how to install a new system with debootstrap in the manual which resembles gentoo/arch install process |
| 22:42.00 | shay_shay | i will use it as a reference |
| 22:42.28 | opposition | when is the release of shift-click in the debian packages ? |
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| 22:46.13 | opposition | discard that |
| 22:46.56 | opposition | dpkg is telling me that package gpm should be rebuild with new debhelper |
| 22:46.56 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, opposition |
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| 22:50.14 | shay_shay | dpkg hi |
| 22:50.14 | dpkg | hey, shay_shay |
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| 23:03.10 | avuton | There are tons of bugs that detail how transmission-daemon doesn't work or otherwise segfaults with systemd, is there anything being done towards a fix? |
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| 23:08.47 | mentor | Does bcache have a partition type? |
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| 23:09.39 | andrej | is there a central list of system user accounts that may be installed by a package? |
| 23:10.00 | shay_shay | avuton: i personally am switching to rtorrent/rutorrent. |
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| 23:11.00 | avuton | shay_shay: I was on that long ago, for many years, until development slowed/stopped. Transmissions client/service model seemed better at the time too. |
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| 23:11.37 | shay_shay | have you tried deluge? |
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| 23:11.49 | mentor | andrej: user accounts are installed from package scripts usually |
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| 23:12.06 | shay_shay | i like deluge as a remove native gtk client way better than transmission-rpc-gtk (or whatever its called) |
| 23:12.09 | mentor | andrej: I'm not sure if anyone has extracted that data from them individually |
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| 23:12.24 | andrej | mentor - thanks for that. |
| 23:12.46 | avuton | shay_shay: I haven't, I'm mainly Android at this point, with development happening on Linux, but no real other PC use at this point. |
| 23:12.47 | andrej | So I'll just have to do a stocktake of all accounts we currently have on our spread of machines |
| 23:13.17 | andrej | compare them against the packages installed ... and assume that that's my base-line |
| 23:13.34 | mentor | andrej: Well, the package scripts will be on your systems |
| 23:13.50 | andrej | Yah |
| 23:14.52 | mentor | And the original passwd file will be in base-files |
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| 23:15.42 | andrej | mentor : good point; that should give me accounts from 0 - 110 or so |
| 23:16.34 | mentor | andrej: users installed from packages will almost certainly be system accounts too |
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| 23:22.08 | andrej | mentor : true that, but for numeric IDs greater 110 (I think that was the limit) the distribution becomes arbitrary, it then seems to depend on installation order |
| 23:22.29 | mentor | Yes, because they're installed dynamically |
| 23:22.32 | mentor | Of course |
| 23:22.33 | andrej | Which is a bit of a pain if you need to manage/audit them centrally |
| 23:23.54 | mentor | Generally, you don't distribute system accounts over some network information service |
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| 23:26.56 | shay_shay | tremo: tremo = tremon? |
| 23:27.09 | tremo | nope |
| 23:27.14 | shay_shay | sorry :) |
| 23:27.59 | mentor | That's an assignation. I'm afraid you are now. |
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| 23:32.25 | inthl | I would like to create some sort of chroot for users who login via ssh or sftp and similar - they should be able to see their own homedirectory and necessary binaries such from /usr/bin, as well as /proc, I assume /dev is also necessary. there are a lot of manuals in the net, many of them out of date. what is a more recent common way to do this? |
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| 23:34.35 | somiaj | inthl: I thought ssh had a default config option for this |
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| 23:35.01 | somiaj | actually I think I'm thinking ftp....been a while |
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| 23:35.25 | somiaj | ,v openssh-server |
| 23:35.26 | judd | Package: openssh-server on i386 -- squeeze-security: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u1; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:6.6p1-7; sid: 1:6.6p1-7 |
| 23:35.31 | inthl | somiaj, well, it is something wih sftp, I am not sure whether this is exactly the same as I am looking for |
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| 23:36.31 | somiaj | seems since openssh 4.9p1 there is an option 'ChrootDirectory %h' will chroot them in their home directory. Though might not make ssh that userful if you don't populate the user dirs with the bins they need |
| 23:36.50 | somiaj | yea looks like that is just an option you can configure for sftp over openssh too |
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| 23:40.02 | andrej | mentor : that is more of an audit requirement, I have NO intention of futzing with system accounts from a central spot |
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| 23:48.17 | t4nk976 | why the fuck does debian take so long to erase a disk during installation? I mean seriously people, it isnt that fucking difficult to simply rm a windows partition from a healthy disk... |
| 23:48.34 | t4nk976 | "erasing data on ..." |
| 23:48.39 | t4nk976 | zzzzzzzz................ |
| 23:49.34 | t4nk976 | I mean wtf is it doing, verifying sectors or some absurd thing like that? |
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| 23:51.35 | somiaj | t4nk976: are you instaling on an encrypted partition? |
| 23:52.15 | t4nk976 | yeah Im setting up a fresh install encrypted |
| 23:52.29 | t4nk976 | I forgot, thats exactly what it is, but its a laptop, soz its gotta be done... gfrrr |
| 23:52.58 | somiaj | that is why, it assumes that if you want to install on an encrypted partition you care about security of data and it doesn't just create a new file system, it zeros the partition first. |
| 23:53.07 | andrej | should have gotten one w/ an ASIC that does encryption on firmware level ... |
| 23:53.20 | somiaj | I think the only way around that is to manually create the partitions/encrpytion yourself and not let the installer do it. |
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| 23:54.30 | NaturalMess | hi what seedbox should i use? |
| 23:54.43 | t4nk976 | meh its good, I got this off ebay so prolly better to let it do its thing |
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