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| 00:42.38 | fregdunwar | What is the state of Xserver Security measures in general? That document: "http://www.nsa.gov/research/_files/selinux/papers/x11/t1.shtml#INTRO" is quite old and I have not found any update on the X sceurity situation. Just some forum post every few months, saying that X is insecure. |
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| 00:57.45 | wodim_ | hello, is anyone in here experienced with supervisor? i have some program defined but it's running it as root despite that i've set it to run under another user. what may i be doing wrong? |
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| 01:00.03 | shay_shay | ,checkbackport grub-pc |
| 01:00.27 | shay_shay | woleium: daemontools supervise? |
| 01:00.37 | judd | Backporting package grub-pc in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gcc-4.9-multilib [i386 kopensolaris-i386 any-amd64 any-ppc64 any-sparc], gcc-4.9. |
| 01:02.15 | shay_shay | sorry woleium name came up in tab complete |
| 01:02.21 | shay_shay | i wasnt paying attention |
| 01:02.27 | woleium | lol, np |
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| 01:11.32 | jm | Â/window next |
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| 01:14.50 | OldParr | in xfce i turned off (uncheck) âAutomatically save session on logoutâ in Settings Manager â Sessions and Startup (tab General), but xfce keeps on saving my session at logout and restart the same applications i left in the las session, is there any manual configuration that i can make ? |
| 01:15.25 | jhutchins | OldParr: Did you first save a session with nothing open? |
| 01:15.51 | OldParr | jhutchins: no i have not |
| 01:17.05 | OldParr | jhutchins: the session with nothing open can be saved from a terminal ? |
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| 01:21.40 | Arahael | How do I list the contents of a directory depth-first? |
| 01:21.51 | Arahael | 'find' seems to give breadth-first. |
| 01:22.24 | Arahael | I want to delete a particular directory, but only if it contains no files. (empty directories are fine) |
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| 01:22.43 | Arahael | Thus, I've tried: find /foo -type d -exec '{}' \; |
| 01:22.48 | themill | -depth |
| 01:23.20 | OldParr | google says: a simple script in /etc/init.d called from /etc/rc6.d which clean up the content of ~/.cache/session |
| 01:23.22 | Arahael | themill: Thanks - somehow missed that, was expecting that was a limit. |
| 01:23.30 | Arahael | (Like du's option there) |
| 01:23.37 | themill | Arahael: but I'm not sure what you're really trying to do there |
| 01:24.52 | themill | If you're just wanting to delete directories without contents, then just pass them all to rmdir and it will refuse to delete non-empty directories |
| 01:25.26 | Arahael | themill: Just doing a naive automated application deployment, I wanted to wipe all empty directories in the deployment directory. The trouble is it refuses to delete the directories if they contain empty directories. |
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| 01:26.00 | Arahael | themill: I could probably get away with rm -rf $target, but I'm hoping to avoid that. |
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| 01:28.34 | themill | Arahael: yeah, «find foo -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} \; 2>/dev/null» should work |
| 01:28.56 | Arahael | themill: Yep - that -depth was the missing part, thanks. :) |
| 01:30.25 | mns | I am running Debian/testing. the only cpufreq governors I seem to have available are performance and powersave. I do not have |
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| 01:32.00 | fregdunwar | What is the state of Xserver security measures in general? That document: "http://www.nsa.gov/research/_files/selinux/papers/x11/t1.shtml#INTRO" is quite old and I have not found any update on the X security situation. Just some forum post every few months, saying that X is oh so insecure. |
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| 02:34.09 | OldParr | google says: a simple script in /etc/init.d which clean up the content of ~/.cache/sessions will evite that xfce starts the applications that were running when the last session closed , will this destroy something ? |
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| 02:36.12 | sunn | OldParr: I missed the earlier part of this conversation but I was having an issue with an application autostarting on login to XFCE+Openbox; I think removing some ~/.cache/session files did the trick. I had to start fresh with a few session-preserved things but nothing bad at all |
| 02:37.14 | OldParr | please tell me more about "to start fresh with a few session-preserved" |
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| 02:38.12 | OldParr | sunn: please tell me more about "to start fresh with a few session-preserved things" |
| 02:39.10 | sunn | OldParr: like I had to re-check "save session for future login" and maybe apply a few window manager tweaks. it's been a while so my memory is foggy on it |
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| 02:40.36 | OldParr | sunn: that is very interesting from my point of view, i do not want to mess with window managers |
| 02:41.45 | sunn | OldParr: I just mean that I had to re-apply my window manager's font for whatever reason, which was probably a font config issue which I later fixed anyway. minor stuff, at least for me. got rid of weird crap happening on my XFCE login either way. |
| 02:43.32 | OldParr | sunn: thank you , i will close all my applications by hand on every shutdown and let xfce to save anything that it want to save |
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| 02:44.35 | sunn | every shutdown? I just mean I had to do this only once |
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| 02:45.18 | OldParr | sunn: yes i understand, my problem is that xfce saves every session and autostaRT |
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| 02:45.52 | sunn | OldParr: OK, I guess I should scroll up and read the history of your problem before I speak any further |
| 02:46.23 | OldParr | sunn: no, you helped very much |
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| 02:46.58 | OldParr | sunn: sometimes a man has to understands his limits, and this is mine |
| 02:47.53 | OldParr | sunn: to try to evite xfce from saving sessions is not that important |
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| 02:49.15 | OldParr | sunn: anyway i had some fun learning to make scripts |
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| 02:50.20 | pupil | hello, good morning |
| 02:50.35 | dvs | bah |
| 02:50.42 | pupil | my user is a member of sudoers group |
| 02:51.12 | pupil | but terminal did not ask for password each time i sudo |
| 02:51.19 | pupil | how to fix this? |
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| 02:53.12 | Deep6 | can anyone tell me how to fix this error: Agent admitted failure to sign using the key. ? |
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| 03:18.58 | woshty | How to get patches into the Debian kernel? |
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| 03:46.50 | DrDaemonEye | pupil: sudo requires the password to be entered after a given time, which if I recall correctly, is ten minuets, or after a 'sudo -k' |
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| 03:48.04 | pupil | DrDaemonEye: the problem is, my user can execute sudo command without typinng password |
| 03:48.33 | DrDaemonEye | Is your user ID 0? |
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| 03:49.45 | pupil | my UID is 1000 |
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| 03:50.07 | DrDaemonEye | hmm. I am not quite sure then. |
| 03:52.33 | pupil | is it setuid related? |
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| 03:55.40 | DrDaemonEye | It could be. I have not done much with adding/removing users |
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| 04:16.18 | somiaj | trying to write a script to control the backlight of my laptop. I can echo foo > /sys/correct_place to change the backlight but this needs root privlages. xbacklight is very slow and lags my machine to change the brightness. Looking at using dbus to do this but it requires hal which I thought isn't used anymore. Any suggestions on a good way to increase/decrease brightness. |
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| 04:24.32 | somiaj | ahh looks like I cna use xrandr to control it as a user |
| 04:25.12 | DanDare | somiaj, not sure if its a valid/worthy option: maybe creating a specific user just to do that, then add it to sudoers allowing it root access to just do that? |
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| 04:26.26 | DanDare | bah nvm, im just slow atm |
| 04:26.33 | somiaj | DanDare: yea I can set up sudo with nopass for that paticular command, was looking for a way to do it as a user |
| 04:26.50 | somiaj | it is a bit harder to get current brightness with xrandr, but it seems to set it quickly which is nice |
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| 04:29.14 | somiaj | hmm seems xrandr uses a different method to control brightness than the kernel brightneess setting. Wonder if I get the same power savings from using it |
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| 04:30.24 | DanDare | somiaj, at least the logic say "yes". The light itself is linked to hardware that controls it directly, less light=less current |
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| 04:31.16 | DanDare | somiaj, damn forget what I just said... it's bright not backlight :/ |
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| 04:31.36 | DanDare | *brightness |
| 04:31.36 | somiaj | yea, just noticed there was a difference so wasn't sure if doing it at the kernel level over the xorg level would make a difference |
| 04:32.33 | DanDare | I got confused because you mentioned "backlight" in your first question some lines ago |
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| 04:33.54 | DanDare | heh, now im not even sure if LCD brightness levels is the same as backlight levels :p |
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| 04:36.07 | DanDare | if they are same so yeah, less brightness less current (in a perceptive way) |
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| 04:41.38 | jitsiorwhat | can anyone recommend me an alternative to Skype and Jitsi? I want to hold some videoconferences with friends who are thousands of miles away |
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| 04:48.49 | jitsiorwhat | I was thinking about using a stable version of empathy but according to the wikipedia "Empathy lacks privacy and security facility through OTR support" |
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| 04:51.13 | DanDare | somiaj, yeah I think definitely that brightness != backlight levels. Brightness controls overall pixel values and backlight the physical light itself. In a blind attempt I would guess kernel should control backlight and brightness through software |
| 04:52.09 | DanDare | *drivers |
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| 04:56.10 | somiaj | DanDare: yea I should find a nice way to control backlight as a user, but might have to setup my sudoers file |
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| 04:56.48 | somiaj | but I got a small script that uses xrandr, only problem is there is a small lag when xrandr tries to get the current brightness that takes longer than I would light. |
| 04:56.51 | somiaj | like |
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| 05:02.50 | DanDare | somiaj, weird that it lags... like if that is 'lot of work' :p |
| 05:03.44 | somiaj | I'm using xrandr --verbose (does that lag for you?) |
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| 05:04.38 | DanDare | somiaj, im sorry, not using any real linux atm |
| 05:04.53 | DanDare | just taking what you stated about it |
| 05:05.02 | jitsiorwhat | I was thinking about using a stable version of empathy but according to the wikipedia "Empathy lacks privacy and security facility through OTR support" and to make matters even worse... |
| 05:05.12 | DanDare | well, im doing, but the headless ones |
| 05:05.22 | jitsiorwhat | Can I do a video chat with a contact using Microsoft Windows? You can audio and video chat with a Windows user using Gmail's video chat feature. From Empathy' s FAQ |
| 05:05.28 | somiaj | ahh, no problem, I'll play with it later. (: |
| 05:06.08 | jitsiorwhat | I am not keen on having google as the middleman |
| 05:06.40 | jitsiorwhat | can anyone recommend me an alternative to Skype, Empathy and Jitsi? I want to hold some videoconferences with friends who are thousands of miles away |
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| 05:10.29 | DanDare | jitsiorwhat, im not used to it but this looks interesting? http://bigbluebutton.org/ |
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| 05:35.57 | bodom | Hi there! I am doing upgrades via an ssh command like ssh root@server 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. It looks like debconf complains about TERM being not set, can you please help me? http://pastebin.com/aQ8A1AnA |
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| 05:37.57 | shay_shay | oh gosh |
| 05:38.11 | shay_shay | i failed at btrfs raid10 with root on subvolume 3 times |
| 05:38.14 | shay_shay | lol |
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| 05:38.37 | shay_shay | on the bright side i'm a lot more familiar with the commands now |
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| 05:38.54 | themill | bodom: what sort of strange ssh connection are you using there? |
| 05:41.08 | bodom | themill: AFAIK, it's the standard openssh client/server shipped in any *nix |
| 05:41.32 | themill | not having TERM exported is pretty unusual |
| 05:42.19 | bodom | themill: maybe is it related to issuing the update command in the same command line as the ssh one? |
| 05:42.34 | bodom | because if i login "traditionally", i don't have this problem |
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| 05:42.53 | themill | ahh... indeed. If you specify a command, ssh doesn't request a tty |
| 05:43.03 | themill | (you want -t) |
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| 05:47.08 | bodom | themill: It works, thank you!!! |
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| 06:07.21 | rmrfchik | do any1 has debina running on x86 box with > 127 CPUs? I need /proc/stat |
| 06:07.28 | rmrfchik | s/debina/debian |
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| 06:08.35 | Mo | Hi, question about https://bugs.debian.org: I don't use Debian but like to report a bug for etckeeper. How does that bugtracker work, only via reportbug and Email, no webinterface? |
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| 06:15.27 | themill | Mo: that's correct. Bug handling doesn't need to be done synchronously and so email is great for that. But why do you want to report a bug to bugs.debian.org if you're not using debian? |
| 06:16.02 | Mo | themill: I can't find any other bug tracker for the etckeeper project. |
| 06:16.24 | themill | that doesn't make the debian bug tracker the right place |
| 06:16.45 | Mo | I'm more used to Bugzilla. Unusual to to that by email, as it is harder to define the right category or flags on the bug report. |
| 06:17.09 | themill | well reportbug does that all for you |
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| 06:17.45 | Mo | themill: Any better idea? This is activly developed: http://joeyh.name/code/etckeeper/ the referenced bug ids are those in the Debian bug tracker. |
| 06:18.16 | Mo | I alread tried weeks ago by direct email to the developer but no response. So a public bug tracker is the better place to file bugs. |
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| 06:19.22 | themill | If you're using packages from some other distribution then working with their bug tracker makes more sense. Otherwise, use whatever facilities the upstream provides. It doesn't really make sense to put non-debian bugs into the debian bug tracker |
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| 06:20.21 | Mo | There is no project bug tracker. |
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| 06:38.32 | Mo | themill: Where can I find the bugreport in the tracker after sending the email? |
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| 06:38.57 | themill | against the package you reported it to |
| 06:39.46 | Mo | It's not there. Ok, I'm waiting. There is no dispatcher or checker before publishing reports? |
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| 06:40.27 | Mo | Ok, now it has arrived. Thanks. |
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| 06:41.28 | towski | hm what happens when I try to install buildessentials:i386? |
| 06:41.47 | towski | it seems like it is trying to remove the x64 gcc and install some i386 thing |
| 06:43.15 | themill | towski: there's no such package as that; the toolchain is not installable across architectures like that |
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| 06:45.37 | day | i know the root pw. for a local server. I log in to it as root via ssh. It tells me the password is expired, and wants me to change it. But it doesnt save the password :? |
| 06:45.58 | towski | ok. do you happen to know why cc -m32 -lpthreads might say cannot find -lpthreads |
| 06:46.36 | towski | I assume -lpthreads is part of libc which should exist in my setup |
| 06:46.44 | towski | the .so exists |
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| 06:49.04 | themill | towski: I would assume you'd need the libc6-dev:i386 package. (but normally I just do cross building in a chroot... it's just simpler that way) |
| 06:49.45 | towski | hmm. already installed |
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| 06:49.57 | towski | (this is a part of a cmake build) |
| 06:50.06 | themill | there's also an amd64 architecture package called "libc6-dev-i386" that was for 32-bit building on amd64. I have no idea how far the conversion from biarch to multiarch we've got |
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| 06:53.29 | towski | also already installed. it all seems to kinda be there |
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| 06:57.44 | goorff | Hi, I'm having trouble with a 3 monitor setup using an AMD gpu and integrated graphics. I have the radeon driver loaded and also the i915 driver. I've done a 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and when i startx all 3 monitors power on, but the intel graphics monitor immediately powers off |
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| 07:25.10 | fishsponge | hello! because my second HDD failed, I've replaced it and now run this command - grub-install /dev/sdb - so in order for it to boot off the 2nd HDD, is there any other command I need to use? |
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| 07:29.20 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 07:29.56 | ShapeShifter499 | using "alsamixer" I'm trying to select my sound card and when I do "alsamixer" quits with the following message "ls -l /dev/snd" |
| 07:29.59 | ShapeShifter499 | any ideas? |
| 07:30.36 | ShapeShifter499 | I mean |
| 07:30.37 | ShapeShifter499 | oops |
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| 07:30.44 | ShapeShifter499 | this message |
| 07:30.45 | ShapeShifter499 | ls -l /dev/snd |
| 07:30.51 | ShapeShifter499 | fu copy n past |
| 07:30.54 | ShapeShifter499 | *paste |
| 07:30.55 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 07:30.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 07:31.02 | ShapeShifter499 | cannot load mixer controls: Operation not permitted |
| 07:31.17 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-home, just one line |
| 07:31.23 | jelly-home | ShapeShifter499: is your user member of group "audio"? |
| 07:31.27 | ShapeShifter499 | I know to pastebin longer lines |
| 07:31.30 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-home, um |
| 07:31.34 | jelly-home | id -a |
| 07:32.23 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-home, https://pastee.org/nk8qv |
| 07:32.40 | ShapeShifter499 | this is in a chroot |
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| 07:32.54 | fishsponge | hello! because my second HDD failed, I've replaced it and now run this command - grub-install /dev/sdb - so in order for it to boot off the 2nd HDD, is there any other command I need to use? |
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| 07:33.36 | jelly-home | ShapeShifter499: that doesn't look a lot like debian, to be honest. What's the main OS? |
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| 07:33.44 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-home, android |
| 07:33.47 | shellox | hi |
| 07:33.58 | jelly-home | ShapeShifter499: do you even have /dev/snd/ in android? |
| 07:33.58 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-home, specifically kitkat |
| 07:34.02 | ShapeShifter499 | yes |
| 07:34.06 | shellox | I need to install a ssl certificate on my web server |
| 07:34.13 | jelly-home | ShapeShifter499: and did you bind-mount it into the chroot? |
| 07:34.15 | shellox | where is the standard path to put the crt and key file? |
| 07:34.23 | shellox | /etc/ssl or in the apache dir? |
| 07:34.25 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-home, https://pastee.org/st5sm |
| 07:34.38 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-home, it shows up from inside the chroot |
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| 07:34.48 | Disconsented | Hi everyone, I am transfering files between my laptop (Debian Testing with proftpd) and my desktop (W8.1 pro with FileZilla) and the transfer speed is slower than expected (500KB/s). Any ideas on resolving this/diagnosing it? |
| 07:34.49 | r4co0n | shellox, i put them in a separate folder under /etc/ssl |
| 07:35.18 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-home, aplay -l sees my card but I can't play anything https://pastee.org/mj25h |
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| 07:35.25 | r4co0n | shellox, like /etc/ssl/owncerts/com.example.{key,crt} |
| 07:35.27 | jelly-home | ShapeShifter499: look at the permissions on those device nodes in /dev/snd/, then make sure your normal users can read and write to those. |
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| 07:35.39 | shellox | r4co0n: thanks. I'm currently doing the same thing haha |
| 07:35.46 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-home, I made everything chmod 777 |
| 07:35.48 | shellox | i was just wondering if there's a standard where to put it? |
| 07:35.53 | ShapeShifter499 | in /dev/snd |
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| 07:36.18 | r4co0n | shellox, take care to set restrictive permissions on the files |
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| 07:36.45 | r4co0n | shellox, for the private keys... |
| 07:37.01 | jelly-home | ShapeShifter499: try asking the android people if there are any additional things to set up to be able to access audio devices form inside a chroot (selinux? something else?) |
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| 07:37.18 | ShapeShifter499 | alright |
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| 07:37.42 | jelly-home | ShapeShifter499: this is very far from a typical debian setup, I'm afraid I can't help |
| 07:37.45 | jasabella | wrx permissions are enforced at the kernel level right? other flags you can attach to files is underlying filesystem dependent? |
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| 07:38.52 | Otyugh | heya |
| 07:39.22 | shellox | r4co0n: key should be 640 owned by root:ssl-key |
| 07:39.22 | Otyugh | I can't find out why "man 3 puts" is an empty page : how to import manpages sections in debian ? |
| 07:39.32 | shellox | r4co0n: about the .crt? |
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| 07:40.16 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly-home, thank you for trying |
| 07:40.31 | r4co0n | shellox, i would go for 644, everyone can read the cert, but only root can replace it |
| 07:41.15 | shellox | r4co0n: i see thanks |
| 07:41.22 | shellox | just wanted to double check |
| 07:41.28 | shellox | but permission seems ok |
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| 08:09.35 | Otyugh | how to install gcc-info in debian squeezy ? |
| 08:09.41 | Otyugh | gcc-doc* |
| 08:11.35 | jelly-home | !contrib |
| 08:11.35 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ [wheezy|squeeze|jessie] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
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| 08:12.52 | jelly-home | Otyugh: enable the contrib component next to "main" in your sources.list, apt-get update, gcc-doc should be available for installation then |
| 08:13.25 | jelly-home | in fact, enable both of: contrib non-free |
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| 08:13.38 | jelly-home | !tell Otyugh about non-free sources |
| 08:13.39 | Otyugh | he. Gcc documentation contains dependencies out of main ? |
| 08:13.49 | Otyugh | Oo |
| 08:14.02 | jelly-home | Otyugh: its license is not DFSG compliant |
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| 08:14.23 | jelly-home | Otyugh: read /msg dpkg gfdl |
| 08:14.46 | Otyugh | thanks jelly-home, I wouldn't have figured out alone |
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| 08:16.14 | Otyugh | ho my god. Theses stories of licence :O |
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| 08:17.59 | Shadow` | ok, how to get gnome back? aptitude install gnome or gnome-desktop or gnome-desktop-environment no workie |
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| 08:18.48 | Shadow` | and cheers on turning Debian into an Ubuntu clone.... |
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| 08:19.05 | jfeltz | does qtcreator work on jessie x64? Mine is freezing after launch. |
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| 08:19.20 | jfeltz | can someone confirm? |
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| 08:24.12 | Otyugh | jelly-home: argh. Dont work either |
| 08:24.26 | Otyugh | I did add "contrib nonfree" |
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| 08:24.40 | babilen | Shadow`: You might want to consider being less flippant as it doesn't exactly motivate people to help you. Please also feel free to provide some actual information on a pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net or http://refheap.com |
| 08:24.41 | xiqy | it's non-free |
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| 08:25.05 | goorff | Anyone familiar with how the xorg.conf.d/ files are created? |
| 08:25.42 | babilen | goorff: They are created by users according to their wishes |
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| 08:25.54 | Otyugh | xiqy: trying again, thanks potentially :p |
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| 08:27.38 | goorff | babilen: ahh - my system sees the monitors connected to the GPU in console, but in X xrandr doesn't and the integrated grafx monitor runs x. xrandr --listproviders only shows the intel driver, altho the radeon driver is loaded - i thought something autogenerated the file for the ati drivers, will google, tks |
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| 08:32.19 | babilen | goorff: Are you referring to fglrx and the configuration as detailed on https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Configuration ? |
| 08:32.34 | babilen | so close |
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| 09:09.53 | subz3r0 | hi |
| 09:10.15 | subz3r0 | when i want to stay with a specific version of a program. where do i need to do apt pinning? |
| 09:11.07 | vimpulse | subz3r0: hi :) Apt pinning can be confusing. What did you read already? What did you try? |
| 09:11.10 | subz3r0 | ./etc/apt/preferences or add a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/filename |
| 09:11.44 | subz3r0 | vimpulse: hehe. thats it exactly. its confusing. since i found absolutely different statements |
| 09:11.55 | subz3r0 | i want to keep a version of openswan(ipsec) |
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| 09:12.42 | subz3r0 | for now i created the file /etc/apt/preferences and added this: |
| 09:12.54 | subz3r0 | Package: openswan |
| 09:13.11 | subz3r0 | Pin: version 2.6.37.-3* |
| 09:13.21 | subz3r0 | Pin-Priority: 1000 |
| 09:13.22 | vimpulse | subz3r0: I think either one of the two choices you mentioned will work: preferences, or a file in preferences.d. But -- try it and see. |
| 09:13.23 | vimpulse | Why don't you want to use your repo's latest openswan? Please explain simply, so that a simple individual like me can get it. :) |
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| 09:13.54 | subz3r0 | because it doesnt work with our customers environment |
| 09:14.19 | vimpulse | subz3r0: not enough information. :) |
| 09:14.46 | subz3r0 | i did not investigate the issue. just got the task to pin that version ;) |
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| 09:15.03 | vimpulse | subz3r0: ok :) you may miss out on security updates. |
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| 09:15.15 | subz3r0 | they cannot connect to the vpn with their mobiles |
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| 09:16.02 | SynrGy | subz3r0: hm? why '.-'? this makes no sense to me |
| 09:16.07 | SynrGy | or is that a typo? |
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| 09:16.39 | subz3r0 | i tried it before with 2.6.37-3. typo.. sorry :) |
| 09:16.47 | SynrGy | i mean, did you type it out by hand here or cut-and-paste what's in your config (you should strive to do the latter, and use a pastebin) |
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| 09:17.00 | subz3r0 | btw. when i check with apt-cache policy there is a 1: infront of the version number. do i need to add this as well? |
| 09:17.39 | subz3r0 | like: installed: 1:2.6.37-3 |
| 09:17.41 | SynrGy | subz3r0: absolutely. that's part of the version# |
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| 09:17.52 | SynrGy | it's called the 'epoch number' |
| 09:18.04 | SynrGy | it's used to solve a certain class of versioning problem |
| 09:18.21 | subz3r0 | and installation candidate is: 1:2.6.37-3+deb7u1 |
| 09:18.22 | SynrGy | (where the newer version would actually collate lower than the old) |
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| 09:19.05 | SynrGy | unfortunately, once epoch#s become a part of the version#, they have to remain in the version# forever |
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| 09:19.13 | subz3r0 | i tried it with "echo openswan hold | dpkg --set-selections" before... but that did not work |
| 09:19.41 | subz3r0 | good to know. :) so i will change this as well to the version number |
| 09:19.54 | SynrGy | did not work with what? which package management tool did not respect that? |
| 09:21.04 | subz3r0 | but actually where do i need to add the file? /etc/apt/preferences or /etc/apt/preferences.d/somefilename |
| 09:21.12 | SynrGy | either. |
| 09:21.29 | subz3r0 | one will do? or need to set both? |
| 09:21.35 | SynrGy | either |
| 09:21.44 | SynrGy | you know the meaning of the english word? :) |
| 09:21.51 | SynrGy | either is not both |
| 09:21.53 | subz3r0 | ahh, okay :) |
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| 09:21.56 | subz3r0 | yeah ;) |
| 09:22.14 | subz3r0 | was looking on a third monitor while typing. sorry :D |
| 09:22.18 | SynrGy | k |
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| 09:22.42 | SynrGy | this is common with debian, providing a centeral configuration method *and* modular |
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| 09:22.52 | SynrGy | modular is easier for packages to maintain without violating policy |
| 09:22.58 | SynrGy | single file is easier for administrators |
| 09:23.12 | SynrGy | (well, some administrators ... i happen to prefer modular) |
| 09:23.17 | subz3r0 | when i try it with --set-selections... ill get an eror |
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| 09:23.49 | SynrGy | what kind of error? when you issue the command, or what? |
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| 09:24.07 | subz3r0 | "warning parsing of the file" /var/lib/dpkg/available>> near line 21974 paket cnews. ... |
| 09:24.12 | subz3r0 | yep |
| 09:24.27 | SynrGy | corruption? this is not good ... |
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| 09:24.57 | subz3r0 | bad is that the server uses a different language as english... so need to translate the error msg... :( |
| 09:25.26 | jelly | "warning" is less of an error than an "error" |
| 09:25.27 | subz3r0 | one reason why i would not install .de location on a server... ;/ |
| 09:25.33 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 09:25.33 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
| 09:25.36 | sexyboy | jelly: set locales tremporarly |
| 09:25.36 | jelly | subz3r0: ^^ |
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| 09:25.47 | jelly | sexyboy: not me. |
| 09:25.52 | sexyboy | right |
| 09:25.54 | sexyboy | subz3r0: ^ |
| 09:25.58 | jelly | ... |
| 09:25.58 | SynrGy | subz3r0: install dctrl-tools and show the output of this command: grep-available -P cnews |
| 09:26.08 | sexyboy | jelly: ? |
| 09:26.19 | subz3r0 | troubleshooting is kinda pain in the ..... with other installed langs... |
| 09:26.27 | SynrGy | subz3r0: at paste.debian.net, please |
| 09:26.33 | SynrGy | !tell subz3r0 about localised errors |
| 09:26.39 | jelly | ... |
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| 09:26.57 | jelly | goes to be elliptical someplace else |
| 09:26.58 | SynrGy | subz3r0: did you read it? you've been sent it twice ... |
| 09:27.09 | subz3r0 | im on it |
| 09:27.43 | SynrGy | jelly: out of shape? |
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| 09:28.48 | subz3r0 | another thing is that this server was upgraded x times |
| 09:29.12 | subz3r0 | lenny -> squeez -> wheezy... and what ever...found some strange issues on it |
| 09:29.19 | SynrGy | subz3r0: normally if i saw something like that, i would suspect filesystem corruption |
| 09:29.22 | subz3r0 | but since im not the senior admin ;) |
| 09:29.39 | SynrGy | is it on a journalling filesystem? |
| 09:29.46 | SynrGy | please, dear god, i hope it's not ext2 ... |
| 09:29.49 | subz3r0 | lemme check |
| 09:30.14 | subz3r0 | fstab says its ext3 |
| 09:30.18 | SynrGy | whew |
| 09:30.28 | SynrGy | but still, it could've suffered corruption sometime in the past. |
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| 09:30.49 | SynrGy | if it's that old, be absolutely sure you do SMART monitoring (well, do that in any case :) |
| 09:31.29 | SynrGy | subz3r0: doing the grep-available yet? |
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| 09:31.44 | subz3r0 | http://pastebin.com/pPp7wndF |
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| 09:32.32 | subz3r0 | SynrG: but please tell me. which way should i prefer? the way with dpkg to hold back updates or apt pinning? since i read the dpkg way is deprecated |
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| 09:35.58 | SynrGy | subz3r0: where did you read it is deprecated? |
| 09:36.38 | SynrGy | Version: cr.g7-40.1 |
| 09:36.41 | SynrGy | this is crap |
| 09:36.50 | SynrGy | do you have cnews installed on your system? |
| 09:37.09 | SynrGy | cr.g7-40.1 is in no way a valid version# :) |
| 09:37.34 | SynrGy | actually, this looks oddly familiar |
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| 09:38.07 | SynrGy | i believe there is some command to clean the old, obsolete entries from dpkg's 'available' file |
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| 09:39.22 | SynrGy | curious, dpkg's man page says: |
| 09:39.23 | SynrGy | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.23 | SynrGy | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.06 | SynrGy | so if cnews is *not* installed, i wonder why a stanza for it is still present (maybe it can't be automatically removed due to being broken?) |
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| 09:40.16 | subz3r0 | its not installed.. weird |
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| 09:40.41 | SynrGy | there is also --clear-avail |
| 09:40.59 | SynrGy | this will throw out *all* 'available' info |
| 09:41.06 | subz3r0 | need to check that and contacting now the senior chief.... thanks for helping me out. but one question is still open |
| 09:41.07 | SynrGy | it will be rebuilt automatically later |
| 09:41.16 | SynrGy | yes. as to which to use ... |
| 09:41.20 | subz3r0 | which way should i prefer? apt pinning or hold a paket with dpkg? |
| 09:41.26 | SynrGy | apt knows about the whole archive. dpkg does not. |
| 09:41.30 | subz3r0 | never used apt pinning before |
| 09:41.40 | SynrGy | apt pinning tends to be preferred because of this |
| 09:41.43 | subz3r0 | ahh, so better to use pinning |
| 09:41.52 | SynrGy | dpkg, however, could be used even *without* apt |
| 09:41.53 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, SynrGy |
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| 09:42.20 | SynrGy | however, i can't think of any place that would truly be useful ... |
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| 09:42.33 | SynrGy | even if using dselect, i believe the new default is it uses apt as a backend |
| 09:42.54 | SynrGy | theoretically, though, dpkg's choices are respected everywhere |
| 09:43.06 | subz3r0 | SynrG: thanks for the help, really appreciated it. will now see what the senior says. lets see :) bbl |
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| 09:43.12 | SynrGy | also, i just find --set-selections so damned handy to type :) |
| 09:43.18 | subz3r0 | hahaha yeah! |
| 09:43.21 | subz3r0 | :P |
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| 09:43.54 | SynrGy | plus, pinning has nuances that --set-selections does not. |
| 09:44.05 | SynrGy | (this can be a blessing and a curse though) |
| 09:44.34 | SynrGy | in short, there's no reason *not* to use --set-selections but yes, pinning tends to be preferred, just due to all the aforementioned reasons. |
| 09:45.12 | SynrGy | subz3r0: re cnews 'available' file breakage. if all else fails, you can (very carefully) manually slice out the bad entry from that file |
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| 09:45.32 | subz3r0 | oki :) |
| 09:45.52 | SynrGy | but i think that lays to rest my worry about filesystem corruption |
| 09:45.53 | subz3r0 | need to disconnect now... if he seess that im bypassing the firewall... i will be slapped on the fingers :P |
| 09:46.01 | subz3r0 | hehe |
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| 09:46.01 | SynrGy | heh. later. |
| 09:46.04 | subz3r0 | laters :) |
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| 09:49.01 | morfin | hello |
| 09:49.18 | morfin | how stable Debian sid is? |
| 09:49.27 | morfin | is that something like beta |
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| 09:50.47 | Slashman | morfin: more like alpha, no guarantee, it may break at any moment, do not use in production |
| 09:51.27 | Slashman | morfin: https://www.debian.org/releases/sid/ |
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| 09:53.42 | morfin | hmm |
| 09:53.52 | morfin | Debian 7 is using Wine 1.4.1 |
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| 09:54.27 | morfin | as example stable wine is 1.6.2 - i have some issues with running a program using Wine |
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| 09:54.46 | Slashman | morfin: did you look at testing? |
| 09:55.30 | Slashman | morfin: there is also http://backports.debian.org/ that may have the last version |
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| 09:58.23 | whiterice | wine is kind of a different deal |
| 09:58.32 | whiterice | newer isnt necessarily better |
| 09:58.51 | whiterice | sometimes its best just to keep running an older version if it works with your program |
| 09:59.03 | sexyboy | morfin: newer wine is available via backports |
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| 09:59.57 | whiterice | im not sure about debian, but usually you can upgrade it or downgrade it without breaking anything. On my debian install i just run the latest since I only run Diablo 2 |
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| 10:00.28 | whiterice | on Arch I sometimes have to blacklist newer versions as theyll introduce problems. Usually with sound ive noticed |
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| 10:00.44 | whiterice | debian you can use apt-pinning to accomplish the same |
| 10:03.12 | Posterdati | hi |
| 10:03.58 | Posterdati | please anyone experienced problems sending file over bluetooth with bluedevil on wheezy? Thanks |
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| 10:06.42 | morfin | what URL for wheezy? |
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| 10:06.57 | morfin | backports |
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| 10:07.30 | sexyboy | !backports |
| 10:07.31 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 10:08.19 | morfin | no such packages |
| 10:08.20 | namoamitabuddha | When I install Debian GNU/Linux on a laptop with Secure Boot, I only need to disable Secure Boot and no subsequent steps different from older laptops, right? |
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| 10:09.51 | morfin | looks like no new wine in backports:( |
| 10:10.11 | SynrGy | ,v wine |
| 10:10.12 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; sid: 1.6.2-8; jessie: 1.6.2-8 |
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| 10:11.04 | sexyboy | ah, indeed, there are no newer wine versions in the backports |
| 10:11.06 | SynrGy | sexyboy: where are you getting your info about a newer backports wine, then? or just misremembering? |
| 10:11.06 | sexyboy | sorry |
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| 10:11.09 | SynrGy | yeah |
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| 10:11.31 | sexyboy | i assumed they were :D |
| 10:11.33 | morfin | nevermine |
| 10:11.41 | morfin | i have only one problem right now |
| 10:11.52 | morfin | i am trying to install one crappy program but there is a problem |
| 10:12.17 | morfin | my InstallShield is failing to do that on last step of installation |
| 10:12.23 | morfin | *in WIne |
| 10:12.38 | sexyboy | morfin: #winehq |
| 10:12.41 | SynrGy | we really cannot help with wine issues. |
| 10:12.49 | morfin | yep |
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| 10:13.28 | SynrGy | and they'll probably lament your older version of wine and just tell you to use the latest. |
| 10:13.35 | sexyboy | yep |
| 10:14.00 | SynrGy | ,v playonlinux |
| 10:14.01 | judd | Package: playonlinux on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 3.7.6-1; wheezy/contrib: 4.1.1-1; jessie/contrib: 4.2.3-1; sid/contrib: 4.2.3-1 |
| 10:14.05 | SynrGy | this may help |
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| 10:15.50 | SynrGy | playonlinux is capable of managing multiple wines. i'm not sure how much (if at all) it helps with fetching/building them, though. |
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| 10:19.11 | SynrGy | morfin: H:\dm\Work\ruby_dylib\trunk>del dbsvam.000 |
| 10:19.11 | SynrGy | H:\dm\Work\ruby_dylib\trunk\dbsvam.000 |
| 10:19.19 | SynrGy | argh, sorry. wrong paste :( |
| 10:19.29 | SynrGy | http://www.gamersonlinux.com/forum/threads/playonlinux-explained-wine-versions-manager.261/ |
| 10:20.06 | SynrGy | morfin: ^^ this certainly looks like playonlinux can be used to easily install arbitrary versions of wine. however, if you run into issues, you'll need #winehq for help, not here. |
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| 10:30.39 | pvtmert | hi all i on debian jessie/testing how can i disable graphical login [already tried adding text to boot-param] |
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| 10:31.22 | bogus- | do you want to keep your graphical environment? |
| 10:31.30 | bogus- | otherwise you could use tasksel |
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| 10:31.47 | pvtmert | yes keep gui but not run on startup |
| 10:32.17 | sexyboy | pvtmert: disable your login manager with update-rc.d |
| 10:32.27 | bogus- | indeed |
| 10:32.50 | pvtmert | how? |
| 10:33.01 | sexyboy | man update-rc.d |
| 10:33.11 | sexyboy | it's a short manual |
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| 10:34.18 | pvtmert | okay read it but dont know 'name' of the service |
| 10:34.23 | pvtmert | x11-common ? |
| 10:34.35 | sexyboy | what is your base desktop environment? |
| 10:34.42 | pvtmert | xfce |
| 10:34.55 | sexyboy | it might be gdm but i'm not sure |
| 10:35.02 | sexyboy | or ldm |
| 10:35.06 | sexyboy | or lxdm |
| 10:35.25 | sexyboy | something with *dm at the end in /etc/init.d |
| 10:35.34 | pvtmert | only lightdm |
| 10:35.40 | sexyboy | so, this is it |
| 10:35.46 | SynrGy | what? a) lxde is not xfce ... and 2) what pvtmert said :) |
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| 10:36.06 | sexyboy | no one said that xfce is lxde |
| 10:36.10 | SynrGy | (and in any case, lxdm was never released in debian, and the debian lxde metapackage depends on lightdm :) |
| 10:36.23 | SynrGy | yes, but her eyou go pointing him at lxdm (an lxde component) |
| 10:36.26 | sexyboy | but any dms will work with any des/wms |
| 10:36.30 | SynrGy | hence my confusion |
| 10:36.36 | SynrGy | ,v lxdm |
| 10:36.37 | judd | No package named 'lxdm' was found in i386. |
| 10:36.44 | pvtmert | okay thx i disabled it gotta reboot, cya in 1min |
| 10:36.48 | sexyboy | bai |
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| 10:38.06 | SynrGy | sexyboy: for your own enlightenment, task-foo-desktop (e.g. task-xfce-desktop) contains the desktop as installed by the debian installer. you can check Depends: for it and see lightdm is used. |
| 10:39.09 | sexyboy | ok |
| 10:39.11 | SynrGy | (and it's a reasonable assumption if someone comes asking for help with a desktop they installed it via d-i) |
| 10:39.15 | sexyboy | i'm enlightened |
| 10:39.17 | sexyboy | lol |
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| 10:44.34 | ChrisH | !ask |
| 10:44.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 10:46.34 | NCS_One | hi |
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| 10:47.43 | NCS_One | can someone help setup a debian machine to use a printer on a windows? I have it setup the printer receives the document puts it in queue (I can see it on windows) but then it doesn't print, what could be the issue? |
| 10:47.48 | Psil0Cybin | hey guys where can i find the Key that i need to compare the SHA256SUM.sign to SHA256SUM? |
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| 10:48.53 | SynrGy | Psil0Cybin: |
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| 10:49.00 | SynrGy | https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify |
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| 10:50.08 | SynrGy | NCS_One: any number of things ... but by the time windows receives it and puts it in its queue, this is no longer a debian issue, i think |
| 10:50.22 | SynrGy | NCS_One: maybe ##windows can help with that? |
| 10:51.12 | Psil0Cybin | SynrG: so i would just download all those keys from the key server or listed? |
| 10:51.31 | ChrisH | NCS_One: do you use IPP or LPD protocol? |
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| 10:51.45 | NCS_One | ChrisH: smb |
| 10:51.53 | SynrGy | Psil0Cybin: you can just do a quick check that the fingerprint matches |
| 10:52.13 | NCS_One | SynrGy: thanks |
| 10:52.19 | unknownp | well hello there |
| 10:52.24 | NCS_One | ChrisH: should use one of those? |
| 10:52.24 | unknownp | http://sprunge.us/gFgO |
| 10:52.24 | unknownp | my mysql is crashing after copying a /var/lib/mysql from 1 server to another :( |
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| 10:52.49 | sexyboy | unknownp: afaik you can't import mysql databases by doing that |
| 10:53.06 | ChrisH | NCS_One: huch... Try to enable IPP on the windows side and use IPP. 2. If the file is at the printer server, you need to check there. |
| 10:53.12 | sexyboy | unknownp: you need to make a buckup with mysql tools and restore it with them on the other server |
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| 10:54.24 | Psil0Cybin | SynrG: i downloaded the key it sates 1024D/88C7C1F7 who is Steve McIntyre, but the email is different than listed |
| 10:54.31 | Psil0Cybin | as from being *@debian.org |
| 10:55.03 | SynrGy | i was also gonna say, don't post hex dumps of stuff in public :p |
| 10:55.08 | SynrGy | but oh well |
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| 10:56.46 | shay_shay | btrfs gurus please criticise my layout: http://i.imgur.com/UvEbWYv.png |
| 10:56.53 | shay_shay | not too hard, i'm sensitive :P |
| 10:57.15 | Psil0Cybin | Oh okay sorry I was just confused like i added one of those keys and i get a gpg public keys not found :P like I know usually you can just type --recv-keys, and then the number |
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| 10:58.26 | SynrGy | Psil0Cybin: the fact it has extra sigs is worrying? i don't see how ... |
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| 10:58.30 | SynrGy | er, extra uids |
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| 10:59.07 | SynrGy | Psil0Cybin: i'm sure the www.d.o page only lists the uids that would be used to sign the images. so that's all you need to care about |
| 10:59.32 | Psil0Cybin | SynrG: so just get all of them :D |
| 10:59.42 | SynrGy | Psil0Cybin: well, i could --recv-keys on steve's key just fine |
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| 11:00.06 | Psil0Cybin | okay did you connect to a specific server and on the site it shows his uid as debian-cd@lists.debian.org |
| 11:00.12 | Psil0Cybin | i saw something different? that is why i was confused |
| 11:00.32 | SynrGy | Psil0Cybin: on the site it shows two uids |
| 11:00.49 | Psil0Cybin | and after getting that specific key i was still not able to do it, so i assume i need all those keys? and I should be able to do it, and it shows two uid's but neither of those emails are the ones i got |
| 11:00.54 | Psil0Cybin | hence why i was a little bit.. :S |
| 11:00.56 | SynrGy | did you miss this one? |
| 11:00.57 | SynrGy | uid Steve McIntyre <93sam@debian.org> |
| 11:01.11 | Psil0Cybin | Yes i got instead steve@einval.com |
| 11:01.12 | Psil0Cybin | :P |
| 11:01.36 | SynrGy | ok. so he signed with the other uid. but the key still matches so you know it's good. |
| 11:01.42 | Psil0Cybin | Okay |
| 11:01.44 | Psil0Cybin | ty |
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| 11:02.08 | Psil0Cybin | so i will get all the keys and try to run the command 'gpg --verify sha256sums.sign sha256sums |
| 11:02.20 | SynrGy | i doubt if you need all of them, but whatever you want |
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| 11:02.40 | Psil0Cybin | Well i was unable to do it with just that one, want to suggest another one? |
| 11:02.42 | SynrGy | as i said, you could just do a quick fingerprint check to see which one you actually need to --recv-keys |
| 11:03.14 | SynrGy | when you've identified the specific key used to sign this image, you import it, than you can do the full verify |
| 11:03.15 | Psil0Cybin | Okay thanks did not know i could do that. |
| 11:03.18 | SynrGy | then* |
| 11:03.27 | Psil0Cybin | How would I identify the specific key? |
| 11:03.49 | sexyboy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:06.02 | Psil0Cybin | SynrG: sorry...i am silly. *hits head* it was in front of my eyes the whole time! |
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| 11:06.10 | blackjack | is a default install of wheezy already has unicode or none? |
| 11:06.11 | unknownp | lost connection |
| 11:06.30 | unknownp | can anyone help me with the mysql crash ? |
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| 11:06.35 | sexyboy | unknownp: did you get my message? |
| 11:06.39 | unknownp | no |
| 11:06.53 | unknownp | I didn't get anyone's message |
| 11:07.31 | sexyboy | 12:52:49 < sexyboy> unknownp: afaik you can't import mysql databases by doing that |
| 11:07.34 | sexyboy | 12:53:12 < sexyboy> unknownp: you need to make a buckup with mysql tools and restore it with them on the other server |
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| 11:07.47 | unknownp | yes the problem is.. |
| 11:07.50 | unknownp | I only have ftp access |
| 11:07.58 | unknownp | and the host won't let me ssh ot it |
| 11:08.00 | unknownp | to* |
| 11:08.03 | SynrGy | unknownp: in addition to that, generally, don't include large hex dumps in public pastes. you never know what's in them (password info, for exaample) |
| 11:08.06 | sexyboy | well, taht's too bad |
| 11:08.09 | SynrGy | example* |
| 11:08.31 | unknownp | :( |
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| 11:09.02 | SynrGy | unknownp: also, did you do it live? when the database is up and running? even *if* it were to work with a shutdown db, it looks like InnoDB complains because it thinks the db was up at the time the snapshot was made. |
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| 11:09.24 | unknownp | not that I know of |
| 11:09.30 | unknownp | the dedicated is in rescue mode |
| 11:09.33 | unknownp | it shouldn't be |
| 11:09.44 | unknownp | only ftp is open |
| 11:09.47 | sexyboy | SynrGy: mysql needs to be backuped with the tools, you can't just copy the db file |
| 11:09.52 | sexyboy | SynrGy: AFAIK |
| 11:09.54 | SynrGy | hosting providers should allow you to use their web admin thingy to dump the db |
| 11:10.01 | SynrGy | sexyboy: hence 'even if' |
| 11:10.04 | unknownp | well kimsufi doesn't |
| 11:10.10 | unknownp | they say the server is rupture lol |
| 11:10.18 | unknownp | and I can't even renew it(pay it) |
| 11:10.30 | SynrGy | great. so you are screwed |
| 11:10.38 | SynrGy | make better choices next time :) |
| 11:10.42 | day | SynrGy: isnt that standard that they allow you to use it? Heck even free hosters allow you to backup your db for fre.... |
| 11:10.49 | unknownp | I had to call them in ireland to get ftp access |
| 11:11.05 | SynrGy | unknownp: make another call and get them to do the dump |
| 11:11.14 | unknownp | yea I sent an email asking them to use mysqldump |
| 11:11.21 | unknownp | mysqldump -A > important.sql |
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| 11:11.23 | unknownp | that command |
| 11:11.25 | unknownp | has been 3 hours |
| 11:11.29 | unknownp | so I'll call |
| 11:11.30 | edocod | ok i don't know what happened |
| 11:11.35 | SynrGy | so be patient? |
| 11:11.37 | day | they wont do it unless you force them too |
| 11:11.43 | edocod | but my usb key seems corrupt after flashing the debian iso |
| 11:12.00 | unknownp | I was patient for 3 days bro |
| 11:12.01 | edocod | caja sees the files |
| 11:12.08 | unknownp | they stopped answering my emaisl yesterday |
| 11:12.11 | unknownp | emails* |
| 11:12.12 | edocod | gparted says there's not any partition |
| 11:12.13 | SynrGy | unknownp: 3 days is not 3 hours ... |
| 11:12.17 | unknownp | god damn gtk theme, can't see what I'm typing lol |
| 11:12.18 | SynrGy | is confused |
| 11:12.33 | day | im sure they would answer the boss's daughter :> |
| 11:12.41 | edocod | if i try to transfer files on it via the terminal i get like 102931GB/s speed |
| 11:12.47 | SynrGy | day: inappropriate |
| 11:12.52 | day | :( |
| 11:12.54 | edocod | and running sync takes less than 100ms |
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| 11:13.03 | edocod | wat do now? |
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| 11:13.51 | SynrGy | edocod: bad usb key? you could try wiping the key and reformatting it. check for bad blocks, etc. |
| 11:14.19 | SynrGy | edocod: or maybe you didn't flush all blocks to the key when you wrote it? ... |
| 11:14.27 | day | SynrGy: would a letter to his private address be appropriate? :> |
| 11:14.31 | SynrGy | (use 'sync' before removing) |
| 11:14.52 | SynrGy | day: i mean *you* were being inappropriate to suggest such a thing here. please don't do that. |
| 11:15.09 | edocod | gparted says that the "phisical block size is different from the virtual one" or something like this |
| 11:15.38 | edocod | dd if=/dev/null bs=1M of=/dev/sdb doesn't work |
| 11:15.54 | unknownp | so they said they can't help me over the phone lol |
| 11:15.55 | SynrGy | edocod: explain "doesn't work" |
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| 11:16.05 | SynrGy | unknownp: special |
| 11:16.20 | unknownp | I think the guy just shut the phone on my face |
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| 11:16.32 | unknownp | I thought he was going to put hold |
| 11:16.40 | sexyboy | nice lol |
| 11:17.04 | SynrGy | unknownp: anyway, dealing with hostile customer support is OT for here. #debian-offtopic or so |
| 11:17.10 | SynrGy | good luck |
| 11:17.29 | unknownp | jesus christ |
| 11:17.40 | day | #religion |
| 11:17.49 | unknownp | aight relax |
| 11:17.52 | day | :D |
| 11:17.54 | SynrGy | i'm not tense |
| 11:18.06 | unknownp | me neither |
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| 11:18.22 | unknownp | thanks for the help |
| 11:18.25 | SynrGy | ok. on irc sometimes intention / mood gets lost :) |
| 11:18.30 | SynrGy | no problem |
| 11:19.48 | edocod | SynrGy, |
| 11:19.50 | edocod | edocod@edo-cq61:~$ sudo dd bs=1M if=/dev/null of=/dev/sdb |
| 11:19.50 | edocod | 0+0 record dentro |
| 11:19.50 | edocod | 0+0 record fuori |
| 11:19.50 | edocod | 0 byte (0 B) copiati, 0,00029459 s, 0,0 kB/s |
| 11:20.01 | edocod | sorry for italian, can't remember the localized error thing |
| 11:20.04 | SynrGy | edocod: you wrote zero bytes |
| 11:20.10 | SynrGy | and please use paste.debian.net |
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| 11:20.23 | sexyboy | edocod: i advice you to not paste too many lines of text to this channel or the bot will autokick you |
| 11:20.24 | SynrGy | edocod: add count=1 |
| 11:20.40 | edocod | is /dev/null right? |
| 11:20.43 | SynrGy | no |
| 11:20.44 | edocod | or is it /dev/zero? |
| 11:20.46 | SynrGy | use /dev/zer0 |
| 11:20.52 | SynrGy | sorry i missed it the first time :) |
| 11:20.59 | SynrGy | /dev/null will give you an immediate EOF |
| 11:21.05 | SynrGy | hence zero bytes written |
| 11:21.12 | SynrGy | all you really need to do is write on the first block |
| 11:21.16 | edocod | 334MB/s |
| 11:21.19 | edocod | doesn't feel right :) |
| 11:21.35 | SynrGy | dd bs=512 if=/dev/null of=/dev/whatever count=1 |
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| 11:21.55 | edocod | removing count writes allright |
| 11:22.03 | edocod | i can see dick activity |
| 11:22.06 | edocod | sorry, disk |
| 11:22.11 | sexyboy | XD |
| 11:22.13 | edocod | xD |
| 11:22.28 | SynrGy | then mke2fs -c /dev/sdb or so to make a filesystem and do a badblocks check |
| 11:22.46 | SynrGy | not sure if that's really going to be adequate or not to check the drive health |
| 11:23.09 | edocod | SynrGy, i washed it two times in the washing machine |
| 11:23.13 | edocod | without the plastic cover on |
| 11:23.21 | SynrGy | *now* you tell us :) |
| 11:23.31 | edocod | hehe |
| 11:23.42 | edocod | it became fucking hot |
| 11:23.54 | SynrGy | so why are we wasting time on this? |
| 11:24.01 | SynrGy | throw it out. get a new one |
| 11:24.14 | edocod | SynrGy, but it worked yesterday for the netinst image |
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| 11:24.27 | SynrGy | different length image, didn't hit bad blocks yet? |
| 11:24.45 | SynrGy | or maybe the water droplets inside moved around and shorted something since last use |
| 11:24.53 | p0g0 | bake it a bit |
| 11:25.02 | SynrGy | might work |
| 11:25.02 | p0g0 | drive off any latent water |
| 11:25.08 | edocod | i baked it |
| 11:25.12 | p0g0 | it has for me in the past |
| 11:25.14 | p0g0 | ok |
| 11:25.16 | sexyboy | what am i reading XD |
| 11:25.17 | edocod | also, put a heat shrink tubing on |
| 11:25.18 | SynrGy | if it were me, i'd toss it |
| 11:25.29 | edocod | b.. b.. but it's a kingston :( |
| 11:25.49 | p0g0 | yeah, if the water is all gone and it still fails, chuck it...send it back for a replacement.. |
| 11:25.51 | SynrGy | so? i have a mouldering 1G kingston in my pocket with me at all times. maybe *sentimentally* attached ... |
| 11:26.03 | edocod | i found it at the stadium :( |
| 11:26.05 | edocod | 8gigs |
| 11:26.08 | SynrGy | but if i put it through the wash, i wouldn't trust it anymore |
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| 11:26.17 | SynrGy | 32G is the new 8G |
| 11:26.30 | edocod | hey, but it's a free 8gig! |
| 11:26.52 | edocod | they still sell 128mb drives like at 50 cents here |
| 11:27.03 | p0g0 | if you found it, I'd suggest burning it and checking the machines you've plugged it into for root kits. |
| 11:27.29 | edocod | it was clean, only some student work |
| 11:27.38 | edocod | tried to contact him, no reply still |
| 11:27.48 | SynrGy | i think we've veered quite a bit from debian support. next? :) |
| 11:27.53 | sexyboy | well now it's nothing to talk about :D |
| 11:27.57 | SynrGy | (#debian-offtopic if we want to continue) |
| 11:28.06 | edocod | well, we are talking about putting debian on a usb drive :D |
| 11:28.20 | edocod | we need some backstory to "troubleshoot" |
| 11:28.50 | SynrGy | we've determined you have untrustworthy hardware. i think this ends the debian part of the support question :p |
| 11:29.06 | SynrGy | i didn't mind doing the discovery. i just meant continuing this discussion is OT |
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| 11:29.50 | SynrGy | get a trustworthy key, then if you have issues, we can help. |
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| 11:37.30 | edocod | IT WORKED! |
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| 11:42.09 | dym | Is there any pro on having less partitions on a disk that are in an mdraid vs having 3/4? |
| 11:42.45 | dym | as in - i have 2 3TB Disks which are going to be used for data storage. would there be any advantage in creating a big partition over the entire disks and software raid-1ing them? |
| 11:43.02 | dym | versus many partitions |
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| 11:43.19 | unknownp | guys |
| 11:43.26 | unknownp | how do I properly reinstall mysql sevrer ? |
| 11:43.32 | unknownp | [ERROR] Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist |
| 11:43.36 | unknownp | to restore that file |
| 11:43.59 | sexyboy | do you want to retain your previous setup? |
| 11:44.11 | sexyboy | or to reset all of the stings to defaults |
| 11:44.14 | unknownp | reset |
| 11:44.21 | sexyboy | apt-get --purge remove |
| 11:44.32 | sexyboy | and apt-get install |
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| 11:45.36 | unknownp | ty |
| 11:45.48 | unknownp | all I did was apt-get --purge remove mysql-server |
| 11:45.52 | unknownp | and it installed automaticly |
| 11:45.54 | unknownp | xD |
| 11:45.57 | sexyboy | apt-get --purge --reinstall install should work as well |
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| 11:46.51 | pkay | since i'm on linux |
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| 12:03.30 | fishsponge | hello! because my second HDD failed, I've replaced it and now run this command - grub-install /dev/sdb - so in order for it to boot off the 2nd HDD, is there any other command I need to use? |
| 12:03.30 | fishsponge | also sdb has the same data which is on sda... it's all RAID-1. So when sda fails, I will need to re-RAID it all, which means I'll need to boot up off sdb... so I've run this command - grub-install /dev/sdb - and to boot up from sdb, do I need to run any other command? |
| 12:05.23 | bazhang | fishsponge, on ubuntu? |
| 12:06.03 | jelly | fishsponge: it's hard to predict whether the system will actually boot. Will mode of sda failure be such that it's visible from BIOS, or will it be completely invisible, will all the arrays get up even in degraded mode? |
| 12:06.40 | r4co0n | fishsponge, maybe you can try by rebooting with sda unplugged? |
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| 12:08.37 | ChrisH | fishsponge: I added allways a manuall entry to grub to boot from the non-standard boot disk. |
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| 12:11.03 | edocod | how can i use the nonfree wifi driver while installing debian? |
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| 12:11.24 | edocod | i can't make my rt61pci work |
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| 12:12.47 | r4co0n | edocod, https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware#Firmware_during_the_installation |
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| 12:15.57 | edocod | r4co0n, thanks! |
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| 12:35.12 | fishsponge | bazhang, i'm on debian. |
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| 12:36.26 | fishsponge | jelly, i think the failure of sda won't show up in the BIOS... it's just some HDD problems. The arrays will be re-RAID'd, but I need to know whether there's any other commands that I have to do to make it boot from sdb... |
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| 12:36.39 | fishsponge | r4co0n, I will try that... |
| 12:36.55 | fishsponge | ChrisH, which manual entry did you do? |
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| 12:39.34 | ChrisH | fishsponge: with the older grub and menu.lst it was: kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 root=/dev/mapper/vg00-lvroot ro single hda|hdb (depending on the disk to boot from ) Just found I forgot that step on the new system so far :( |
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| 12:45.38 | tomodachi | any people running brtfs on their production machines yet? |
| 12:45.43 | tomodachi | with debian stable |
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| 12:46.19 | jelly | fishsponge: if your fstab and grub and initramfs config do not reference sda or sdb directly, you probably ought to be safe, but TEST |
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| 12:46.52 | namoamitabuddha | WARNING **: Configuring 'iso-scan' failed with error code 1 |
| 12:46.55 | jelly | tomodachi: I'm torn between "hell no" and "you're kidding about production, right" |
| 12:46.57 | namoamitabuddha | How can I fix this problem? |
| 12:47.29 | ChrisH | jelly: where is the difference.... :) |
| 12:47.34 | jelly | namoamitabuddha: pastebin the complete command you ran and its full output |
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| 12:47.41 | Celphish | Elo |
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| 12:47.58 | jelly | ChrisH: the second implies it might be lightly usable for testing or development |
| 12:48.23 | jelly | !tell namoamitabuddha about paste |
| 12:48.27 | namoamitabuddha | jelly: It's on my laptop and it's running debian-installer. |
| 12:48.32 | namoamitabuddha | jelly: I know pastebin. |
| 12:48.35 | Celphish | Got a question for you, if I've got a bash-script with which I stop a service, remove 2 directories and then start the service back up, what to I enter in the file to see the script live when I execute it? |
| 12:49.09 | jelly | Celphish: set -x |
| 12:49.17 | ChrisH | for testing everything is OK. but I would not dare to use it productive. and my definition of productive is pretty wide and includes eg. home servers |
| 12:49.36 | Celphish | jelly: so ./scriptname -x ? |
| 12:49.46 | jelly | Celphish: no, put that as the second line of the script, right after #! line |
| 12:50.06 | jelly | Celphish: or run as bash -x ./scriptname ... |
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| 12:51.02 | Celphish | jelly: ok, thanks, got another question for you, does the script paus after the "stop service"-part before it deletes or do I have to enter a paus somehow inbetween the commands? |
| 12:51.31 | jelly | Celphish: what is that pause supposed to accomplish? |
| 12:52.04 | Celphish | jelly: the script stops plexmediaserver service, the next command deletes 2 directories and then it's supposed to start the service again |
| 12:52.15 | Celphish | but it can't delete the directories until the service is started |
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| 12:53.19 | jelly | Celphish: why not delete them only inside the stop action |
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| 12:53.45 | namoamitabuddha | I was off |
| 12:53.55 | ChrisH | Celphish: set -xv is easier to debug as it echos the command executed |
| 12:54.31 | Celphish | ChrisH: but when I enter -x in line 2, after #!/bin/bash it says that it's not working |
| 12:55.09 | ChrisH | Celphish: you can either do a) set -xv or b) #!/bin/bash -xv |
| 12:55.12 | Celphish | jelly: I don't know, I was just trying to create a script executing the commands I have to run to start plex, delete the 2 files and start it back up, was just going to enter 4 rows in the script (4 commands) |
| 12:55.22 | Celphish | ChrisH: aaaah, same row! |
| 12:55.34 | Celphish | ChrisH: what's the difference between just -x and -xv? |
| 12:55.35 | Celphish | verbose? |
| 12:57.00 | jelly | Celphish: I don't see why you need a sleep in the middle, tho. |
| 12:57.03 | Celphish | aaah, it writes the entire script |
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| 12:57.33 | Celphish | jelly: I was wondering if I needed a paus, I mean, IF it doesn't wait for the first command to complete before running the next one, I have to have a paus, otherwise, not |
| 12:58.31 | jelly | Celphish: a shell script always waits for a command to complete unless you explicitely put the command in the background (by appending & after the command) |
| 12:59.02 | Celphish | jelly: aaah, nice, ok. I've got it now :D |
| 12:59.11 | Celphish | ChrisH: thanks for the hint on the -x |
| 12:59.13 | Celphish | and thanks for the info jelly :) |
| 13:00.11 | namoamitabuddha | http://paste2.org/c5xN0sCt |
| 13:00.14 | namoamitabuddha | How can I fix that? |
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| 13:03.04 | namoamitabuddha | While running debian-installer |
| 13:03.12 | jelly | Celphish: you may be interested in reading http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide |
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| 13:03.41 | jelly | namoamitabuddha: you can also ask over on irc.oftc.net server in #debian-boot channel |
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| 13:04.44 | namoamitabuddha | jelly: Thanks! |
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| 13:06.40 | Man-cinnamon | hey. I'm looking for a way (commandline or GUI) to read metada from video : when it was shoted, this kind of stuff ? |
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| 13:09.26 | jolt | Man-cinnamon: I would think ffmpeg could be a fit for that, but im not sure |
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| 13:09.39 | jolt | Man-cinnamon: has too many options, so it's hard to figure it out |
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| 13:12.05 | jolt | Man-cinnamon: ffmpeg -i filename |
| 13:12.48 | jolt | but it didn't show date :( |
| 13:13.20 | jolt | but it was an mkv, so maybe it's not applicable. For cameras exif is the stuff to look at, try exiftool as well |
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| 13:16.08 | jolt | Man-cinnamon: exiftool <filename> seems to be the shit |
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| 13:17.17 | designbybeck | So APT is Advanced Packaging Tol, What does the "get" mean in apt-get though? |
| 13:17.40 | jolt | designbybeck: get the apt's? |
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| 13:18.06 | designbybeck | jolt, I was figuring something along those lines, just wasn't sure |
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| 13:18.42 | jelly | designbybeck: apt-get and apt-cache were originally intended as example clients for the apt library |
| 13:19.04 | jolt | jelly: You really are an endless supply of info *bow* |
| 13:19.19 | designbybeck | :) |
| 13:19.37 | designbybeck | so why not just "sudo apt install thisprogram" |
| 13:20.58 | jolt | designbybeck: these days I would say that you should use "aptitude" instead. aptitude install <program> |
| 13:22.00 | designbybeck | thanks for the feed back jolt and jelly, I was writing some training handouts and such and that is why I was wondering |
| 13:22.17 | jolt | designbybeck: Then you should definitely talk about aptitude instead |
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| 13:27.38 | hey_joe_ | question. I am using vhost_alias for home folder site by subdomain. everything works fine. however users can also view and list other users /home folders. what is the best permission set to use on the /home/user/ and /home/user/html folders, so that each user cannot cd into another's home, list files, etc. BUT, still allow apache2 to serve up the pages with out the "Forbidden" issue? |
| 13:27.39 | ntz | can anybody confirm these two conclusions about logrotate: |
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| 13:28.53 | morfin | how do i resolve names like something.mydomain.local? |
| 13:29.01 | fishsponge | ChrisH, I don't have menu.lst on my computer at all... so in which file should i find the line you mentioned? |
| 13:29.35 | morfin | i can resolve something but not something.mydomain.local |
| 13:29.47 | ntz | 1) logrotate completely ignores timestamps on files from theirs stat() and uses logrotate.status instead reading the last rotation timestamp directly from there for particular file, so you can set using touch any random time on given file and logrotate won't care unless you change logrotate.status file |
| 13:30.16 | ntz | 2) logrotate without -f will skill even configured files if the record about particular file is missing in logrotate.conf |
| 13:30.24 | ntz | s/skill/skip/ |
| 13:30.43 | ntz | s/logrotate.conf/logrotate.status/ |
| 13:30.53 | fishsponge | jelly, how do I test?? |
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| 13:30.58 | Ecco | Hi everyone |
| 13:31.03 | ntz | 2) logrotate without -f will skip even configured files if the record about particular file is missing in logrotate.status |
| 13:31.26 | Ecco | Quick question: how can I install Debian on a machine that, currently, only boots a Linux kernel? |
| 13:31.35 | Ecco | It's an embedded ARM board that has onboard flash |
| 13:31.47 | Ecco | and right now I managed to get it boot a kernel that I built myself |
| 13:31.54 | Ecco | I'd like to start the Debian installer |
| 13:32.06 | Ecco | to create a root filesystem |
| 13:32.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ecco -about debootstrap |
| 13:32.33 | Ecco | Interesting |
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| 13:33.01 | Ecco | Is the resulting rootfs identical to one produced by an installer that would run on-device? |
| 13:33.06 | babilen | Ecco: And it is, at least in this channel, considered to be better style to simply finish a sentence and make use of punctuation characters to delineate subclauses rather than hitting enter excessively. |
| 13:33.16 | Ecco | ok, sorry about that |
| 13:33.30 | babilen | It's perfectly fine (channels are different in that regard) |
| 13:33.38 | ChrisH | fishsponge: I am not sure, but /etc/grub.d/40_custom seems to be a valid starting point. check /boot/grub/grub.cfg to get an idea on how it should look like. |
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| 13:34.08 | babilen | Ecco: The debootstrap approach is different and you wouldn't use the installer. You can, however, boot the installer as well, but it sounds as if the debootstrap approach is more appropriate for your situation. |
| 13:34.10 | winmutt | what does aureport -h actually report on, the man page isnt clear. I am looking to translate saddr into something useful |
| 13:34.42 | Ecco | babilen: After reading about it, it indeed seems to be. Thanks for the pointer! |
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| 13:35.02 | babilen | Ecco: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s04.html.en is the other approach |
| 13:36.00 | babilen | Ecco: I've never tried the latter so I can't really comment on that. Please note that the installer itself will do a bunch of things that you will have to do yourself/manually if you use debootstrap (e.g. install a kernel, configure the bootloader, ...) |
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| 13:36.20 | jelly | fishsponge: by unplugging sda, I guess |
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| 13:36.39 | Ecco | Indeed. Well in my case I doubt the installer know how to install the bootloader (uboot) nor how to build the proper kernel (rather specific board) |
| 13:37.09 | babilen | Ecco: Sure, debootstrap sounds like the tool to use in that case. All the best! |
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| 13:37.35 | Ecco | Well, the board isn't *that* specific actually (Beaglebone black). It has a default config in uboot and is very well supported by vanilla kernel. Do you think it would be useful to improve its support in debian? |
| 13:37.50 | Ecco | Maybe contributing some patches/default kernel for that board? What's Debian policy on that topic? |
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| 13:38.43 | babilen | Ecco: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/TI/BeagleBone + #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net is probably a good place to start. (not sure if that documentation is for the black though) |
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| 13:39.22 | morfin | anybody can help me |
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| 13:39.38 | babilen | Ecco: A short google turns up http://thethingsystem.com/dev/Bootstrapping-the-BeagleBone-Black-with-Debian.html http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardDebian and http://beagleboard.org/project/debian/ |
| 13:40.03 | babilen | I have no personal experience with that hardware so I would recommend to find the place where people hang out that do :) |
| 13:40.12 | morfin | if i have mydomain.local and host main.mydomain.local(DNS) how do i make system resolve somehost.mydomain.local? |
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| 13:40.19 | gcgvhjv | http://tinyurl.com/p5bpscx |
| 13:40.22 | Ecco | babilen: Most of the time they use pre-built image |
| 13:40.30 | morfin | i can resolve only somehost without mydomain.local |
| 13:40.35 | babilen | Ecco: #beagle looks like a good pleace |
| 13:40.39 | Ecco | Which is convenient, but you don't get to learn a lot about this |
| 13:40.45 | Ecco | Yeah, I'm already in that channel |
| 13:40.48 | gcgvhjv | http://tinyurl.com/p5bpscx free tips |
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| 13:41.33 | Ecco | I should have stated that first: I'm essentially trying to learn things by doing them myself. There are ready-made Debian images lying around. Convenient, but you don't learn anything :) |
| 13:43.14 | babilen | Ecco: Ah, yeah. I completely understand. I simply tried to dig up some more information to make sure that your "Debian on Beaglebone" experience is pleasant. All the best! I'd definitely hang out with the Debian ARM people though. |
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| 13:43.40 | Ecco | Will do. Thanks for your time :) |
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| 13:48.56 | NaturalMess | hi. should i use selinux for debian desktop? |
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| 13:49.46 | themill | NaturalMess: you can certainly try. Some assembly required, I expect. |
| 13:50.30 | ChrisH | NaturalMess: the question is more, why |
| 13:50.44 | NaturalMess | ChrisH: More security? |
| 13:50.53 | NaturalMess | ChrisH: privacy? |
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| 13:51.20 | ChrisH | NaturalMess: I hoped for a more detailed answer. crypt your filesystems/PVs/... |
| 13:51.39 | NaturalMess | themill: i tried it. and it messed up my network connection. thats why i reinstall my debian |
| 13:52.17 | NaturalMess | ChrisH: i am running debian 7 as Virtualbox. My host are using full system encryption, thats should be enough? |
| 13:53.09 | NaturalMess | ChrisH: is it really nessacry to use double layer of encryption, on both host and guest? |
| 13:53.10 | ChrisH | NaturalMess: _I_ personally consider this enough. But everyones paranoia is different :) |
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| 13:54.14 | cyb3r_w3lf4r3 | NaturalMess, maintain an airgap(maybe use a faraday cage =D ) and use a pc with external HDD and use Tails |
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| 14:00.23 | fishsponge | ChrisH, jelly, I've already run this command - grub-install /dev/sdb - but should i run any other command or modify some files? |
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| 14:01.16 | bbtech | how do you tell if an init.d script starts before or after login? |
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| 14:01.53 | bbtech | Here is the script I'm referring to: http://paste.debian.net/116886/ |
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| 14:02.53 | themill | bbtech: that would start concurrently with the login prompt being shown |
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| 14:03.56 | bbtech | themill, that's great! Maybe there is a chance I can track down my stolen laptop, if they turn it on |
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| 14:07.44 | ChrisH | fishsponge: grub-install /dev/sdb only makes the second disk bootable. but you might want/need to force loading the kernel from there. Its all possible from the grub menu, but when the disk is failed or failing (most time more a problem) you do not want to fiddle around with syntax. |
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| 14:09.12 | bbtech | darn, I can only track my stolen laptop if they connect to the internet. They can't connect to the internet because they can't login. Maybe it will connect if they plug in to wired internet but why would they do that if they can't login. |
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| 14:11.22 | ChrisH | bbtech: If I would steal a laptop and I have no idea how to turn the data on that box into money, I would immediately reinstall it. But I hope you get it back. Mine was not found, but thats abt. 10 years ago. |
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| 14:14.12 | bbtech | ChrisH, yeah, I would reinstall. |
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| 14:14.41 | bbtech | At least I have a good backup |
| 14:14.45 | bbtech | and insurance |
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| 14:15.17 | ChrisH | bbtech: its more a matter of: Is any data compromised? keys, password, .. |
| 14:15.34 | bbtech | ChrisH, well the drive wasn't encrypted |
| 14:15.57 | bbtech | ChrisH, so there are private keys, cached data, possibly scripts with some passwords |
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| 14:16.15 | bbtech | ChrisH, so, I get to spend a day resetting passwords and keys and such |
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| 14:21.06 | ohcibi | hi, i added the owncloud repository to /etc/sources.list.d, updated apt and tried to install owncloud.. i got conflicts with existing php packages which apt were not able to resolve by itself.. so i removed that owncloud stuff since i dont really need it and just wanted to play around with it.. so I removed the repository, updated again but now I still get this: https://gist.github.com/ohcibi/92e7dd3290e78d63c68e |
| 14:21.15 | ohcibi | can i somehow "reset" apt to where it was before? |
| 14:21.32 | ohcibi | i tried dpkg --configure --all and --pending as well... always with the same results |
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| 14:22.05 | babilen | ohcibi: Why do you run "apt-get install -f" ? |
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| 14:23.07 | ohcibi | babilen: well I tried aptitude safe-upgrade again after updating which resulted in the same error... so I googled and found apt-get install -f as a possible solution |
| 14:23.15 | babilen | ohcibi: I mean you could run "apt-get update", "aptitude keep-all" and you should be back to normal. If you, however, have unconfigured packages those will not magically go away. |
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| 14:23.44 | ohcibi | babilen: well, how to remove them then? those packages are from the repository i have just removed, so apt should just forget about them |
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| 14:24.35 | babilen | ohcibi: Consider yourself lectured on the merits of not mixing in fucked up repositories with questionable packages ;) |
| 14:24.56 | babilen | ohcibi: What does "aptitude search ~b" give you? |
| 14:25.42 | babilen | (and "dpkg --configure -a") |
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| 14:31.17 | ohcibi | babilen: search ~b gives nothing, the latter errors in the same way as I pasted |
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| 14:32.21 | babilen | ohcibi: Okay, then purge all those packages with "dpkg --purge PKG1 PKG2 ... PKGN" (e.g. dpkg --purge php5-common) |
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| 14:32.38 | ohcibi | and then reinstall? |
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| 14:35.03 | ohcibi | php --version shows the version that didnt get configured |
| 14:35.21 | ohcibi | so those packages are wrongly installed but installed? apt is really great |
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| 14:36.46 | SirLagz | ohcibi: out of curiosity, why didn't you just install owncloud from Debian repos ? |
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| 14:37.48 | ohcibi | SirLagz: because the owncloud documentation says to add their repo, i didnt even knew that it was in the rrepos... usually the default repo has software that is to old for such usages.. |
| 14:38.05 | babilen | ohcibi: You purged them and "php --version" still returns the wrong one? Could you paste the output of "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*php*'" to http://paste.debian.net please (or gist) |
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| 14:38.16 | ohcibi | i dont want a version thats 5 years old so i didnt even think about using the debian repos |
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| 14:38.29 | ohcibi | babilen: no you got me wrong.. i didnt purged yet |
| 14:38.34 | babilen | Well, I take it that you screamed at them already |
| 14:38.41 | babilen | ohcibi: Oh, why not? |
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| 14:38.52 | ohcibi | still discussing with the other admin |
| 14:39.37 | ohcibi | im not actually screaming at owncloud.. its clearly an issue of apt which canno thandle this situation properly |
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| 14:41.08 | ohcibi | i removed the repo, so it should silently remove the packages that came from this repo (or ask me to do it, or give me a command to do it, or just let me do it be truncating a certain directory) |
| 14:41.16 | ohcibi | *by |
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| 14:41.47 | SirLagz | ohcibi: I wouldn't want apt to silently remove packages that came from a certain repo. |
| 14:41.59 | ohcibi | SirLagz: if i remove that repo: yes |
| 14:42.07 | ohcibi | because i remove that repo for a reason |
| 14:42.14 | ChrisH | does not consider "oenwcloud 7.0.1+dfsg-1~bpo70+1 |
| 14:42.18 | SirLagz | ohcibi: things can get removed by accident. |
| 14:42.26 | ohcibi | SirLagz: so? |
| 14:42.27 | babilen | ohcibi: You tried to installed completely broken packages and dpkg cannot complete the configuration step. I fail to see how that is a dpkg issue. |
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| 14:42.46 | ChrisH | does not consider "onwcloud 7.0.1+dfsg-1~bpo70+1" as 5 years old SW. thats the latest stable version. |
| 14:42.46 | ohcibi | babilen: its not a dpkg issue that the configuration step fails |
| 14:42.53 | babilen | Indeed |
| 14:42.57 | ohcibi | babilen: the issue is apt not beeing able to remove that crap |
| 14:43.05 | babilen | I just told you how to remove it. |
| 14:43.08 | ohcibi | and just revert to the situation without this broken repo |
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| 14:43.34 | ohcibi | babilen: yep, by purging and reinstalling them manually... i blame apt for not giving me this in a single command |
| 14:43.47 | ohcibi | i can be happy that the list of broken packages is kinda short |
| 14:43.55 | babilen | ohcibi: Did you try "apt-get purge PKG1 PKG2 ... PKGN" ? |
| 14:44.06 | babilen | dpkg: not available |
| 14:44.06 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
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| 14:44.27 | ohcibi | babilen: thats one command and it forces me to fetch the packagenames by myself |
| 14:44.28 | babilen | ohcibi: Or purge those ^^^ if you really can't be arsed and prefer the sledgehammer approach to a surgical one. |
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| 14:44.37 | ohcibi | a simple apt-get clean is all what I want 8-)) |
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| 14:45.22 | ohcibi | babilen: i will purge, dont worry... im just explaining why I think that apt should handle this situation better/provide a better interface |
| 14:45.39 | babilen | You will, however, almost certainly, not be able to use apt* as that would try to configure those half-configured pacakges first before removing them) |
| 14:45.52 | ohcibi | you meant to purge? |
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| 14:46.05 | ohcibi | i.e. i need to purge with dpkg? |
| 14:46.12 | babilen | remove/purge doesn't differ in that regard |
| 14:46.23 | ohcibi | i wasnt confused by that |
| 14:46.23 | babilen | Yes, that is, I believe, what I asked you to do. |
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| 14:46.28 | ohcibi | ok |
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| 14:49.31 | _4dnan_ | How do I change the applets theme after putting the theme in /usr/share/icons/themename/ ? |
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| 14:52.16 | ohcibi | babilen: that didnt help.. purge itself errors as well and when i then reinstalll them (as it has actually removed something) i get the same error again |
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| 14:57.27 | ohcibi | babilen: do I need to purge the packages along with all the packages that depend on them? |
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| 15:08.40 | BLZbubba_ | hey guys, anyone know of the top of your head what apt-get is doing when it says "Reading package lists" -- because it sure seems to be writing a ton of data at this point |
| 15:09.09 | BLZbubba_ | is this temporary data that could go to /dev/shm or is it required? |
| 15:09.35 | BLZbubba_ | i have a machine with slow disk & small write cache and it takes 5 minutes |
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| 15:09.59 | BLZbubba_ | with write cache bumped up to 100MB it is almost instant |
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| 15:32.58 | jelly | BLZbubba_: do any of: vmstat or iostat or iotop or atop confirm the theory that something is writing to disk at that time? |
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| 15:33.45 | jelly | BLZbubba_: far as I know, it's only reading files from /var/lib/apt/lists. If it's writing anything, it'd be atime |
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| 15:34.40 | jelly | BLZbubba_: which debian release and version of apt is that |
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| 15:37.47 | Radon_3 | hi folks I just installed debian 7.5 with kde on top, and I liked it a lot actually, are there anythings that I should be careful about while using kde? |
| 15:38.28 | Radon_3 | fellas am I mute in this channel? |
| 15:39.04 | jelly | Radon_3: you're not |
| 15:39.12 | Radon_3 | great thanks |
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| 15:39.38 | pessoa | kde is a waste of system resources |
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| 15:40.02 | Radon_3 | pessoa: really, it seems light to me, though I am not an expert |
| 15:40.12 | jelly | prefers to waste "resources" rather than his time |
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| 15:40.39 | avshalom_ | pessoa: you might want to back that up with numbers (unless you're comparing to TTY) |
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| 15:41.24 | jelly | pessoa: using an onboard intel cpu/gpu from 2009, and 4-8GB RAM, it works just fine for me |
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| 15:42.42 | jelly | previously I had to pkill -SEGV plasma-desktop every night because it leaked inotify or fd resources |
| 15:42.45 | Radon_3_ | sorry folks, Mozilla firefox crashed |
| 15:42.46 | pessoa | kde wastes about 200MB of RAM on top of X11, while there are many window managers with just a few MB |
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| 15:43.09 | jelly | pessoa: and that, in itself, doesn't have to be a problem at all |
| 15:43.29 | Radon_3_ | you mean I have to replace x11 with something else while on kde? |
| 15:43.33 | jelly | I don't _want_ to configure a standalone WM over again |
| 15:43.36 | Radon_3_ | pessoa ^ |
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| 15:44.16 | petn-randall | pessoa: So what? Do they come with the same feature set as KDE? |
| 15:44.24 | jelly | Radon_3_: no, X stays there. He says you can save on RAM usage if you use something other than KDE |
| 15:44.39 | JPT | I added a ca-bundle to /usr/lib/ssl/certs and ran c_rehash on it. The openssl verify-command seems to ignore it and fails to verify a cert. When i state the -CAfile parameter, it succeeds. Is there a cache to flush or something i do not know yet? :( |
| 15:44.46 | avshalom_ | pessoa: i can understand if you are on old/small equipment. but i think folks would take exception to the blanket statement. |
| 15:45.06 | Radon_3_ | Well RAM doesn't matter that much to me, cause I am not a gamer and don't endup using much of my 4G RAM |
| 15:45.26 | avshalom_ | (and it's not necessarily the most resource hungry of the feature-ful desktop environments) |
| 15:45.36 | jelly | JPT: um, debian manages ca-bundle with the ca-certificates package and stores stuff in /etc/ssl/ |
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| 15:46.07 | Radon_3_ | Even right now in windows with a lot of things open I have used 3.4 GB of my ram no paging file |
| 15:46.07 | JPT | yes, the c_rehash command took care of creating the symlinks there. |
| 15:46.15 | jelly | JPT: oh, /usr/lib/ssl/certs is a symlink to /etc/ssl/certs here on wheezy |
| 15:46.45 | JPT | jelly: I'm on wheezy, too. :) |
| 15:46.49 | jelly | Radon_3_: right, so don't worry if things work |
| 15:47.00 | Radon_3_ | right |
| 15:47.03 | petn-randall | Radon_3_: Google "why is linux using all of my RAM?", please. |
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| 15:49.57 | jelly | petn-randall: he doesn't have to, yet :-) |
| 15:49.57 | Radon_3_ | well how much RAM did Darkkish have in the first place? |
| 15:50.11 | Radon_3_ | petn-randall: ? |
| 15:50.40 | petn-randall | Radon_3_: Windows and Linux have different metrics of what counts as "used" RAM. |
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| 15:51.16 | Radon_3_ | so you want to say that even with 4G of ram I am going to run itno problems? |
| 15:51.34 | Radon_3_ | on kde? |
| 15:51.56 | petn-randall | Radon_3_: No, I'm saying that you're comparing apples with oranges when you're talking about "used" RAM in Linux and Windows. |
| 15:52.08 | Radon_3_ | Gotcha |
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| 15:52.59 | petn-randall | Radon_3_: Linux displays buffers and cache as "used", while Windows does not. IIRC windows also displayed shared memory differently than under Linux. |
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| 15:54.26 | Radon_3_ | so besides the issue of probable RAM drainage in the near future (thanks for the headsup folks) is there anything else about kde that I should be careful? |
| 15:54.28 | petn-randall | noticed that he mixed up Radon_3_ and pessoa earlier on. *sigh* |
| 15:54.34 | jelly | Radon_3_: the one thing that can eat resources in default installation of kde is that Nepomuk indexing service. |
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| 15:54.59 | Radon_3_ | jelly: whichI will not use, probly |
| 15:55.41 | jelly | Radon_3_: yeah but it's enabled by default and goes thru all the files under your home directory to index them |
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| 15:57.59 | jelly | not a problem if you have a fresh, clean home, but if you have gigabytes of pdfs and stuff... |
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| 15:58.42 | Radon_3_ | home is empty ;) (I mean I don't keep much files in there) |
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| 16:00.36 | BLZbubba_ | jelly: is there an apt-specific channel or is this the best place to ask apt questions? |
| 16:01.23 | jelly | BLZbubba_: this is the right place if you're using Debian. |
| 16:01.33 | petn-randall | BLZbubba_: If it's on Debian stable, you can ask here. Else on your distro's channel. |
| 16:01.35 | jelly | probably no better user-oriented one |
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| 16:05.06 | Okee | On the advice of someone in one of the forums, it was suggested that I downgrade some packages, so that my distro more closely aligns wheezy. But the downgrade doesn't complete, and I get a message indicating there is a broken pipe. How do I fix this? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/078c4596/ |
| 16:05.23 | Okee | How do I fix this, so that my downgrade is complete? |
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| 16:07.34 | jondume | Will this work: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/09/msg00426.html |
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| 16:11.07 | petn-randall | Okee: You might want to ask in your distro's channel. We only support Debian stable in here, not any derivatives. |
| 16:11.36 | Okee | petn-randall> I am running Debian stable. Why did you think I was running something different? |
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| 16:12.04 | petn-randall | Okee: Because you said "so that my distro more closely aligns wheezy." |
| 16:12.22 | Okee | petn-randall> wheezy is the code name for Debian stable. |
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| 16:13.03 | Okee | So how do I fix this broken pipe, so that I can downgrade to debian wheezy, which is the latest version of debian stable. |
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| 16:14.03 | petn-randall | Okee: Yes, we're all aware of that wheezy = stable :). Downgrading was and will never be supported. What did you do that you ended up having such a system? |
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| 16:15.30 | Okee | Quite some time ago, I accidentally added a line to the sources.list, that upgraded some packages to the unstable branch of debian. This has never created a conflict, no noticeable dependencies, but it did interfere with upgrading some packages in wheezy. So How do I fix this broken pipe? |
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| 16:15.45 | Okee | Hopefully this channel covers more than just debian stable. |
| 16:16.17 | petn-randall | Okee: "trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man8/rpcinfo.8.gz', which is also in package rpcbind 0.2.1-2". You can try removing rpcbind before downgrading libc-bin. |
| 16:16.35 | petn-randall | Okee: Just to be safe, you have backups of your system? |
| 16:17.04 | Okee | what type of file is rpcbind? |
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| 16:18.12 | petn-randall | Okee: rpcbind is a package. |
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| 16:18.37 | Okee | petn-randall> What type of package, and what does it do? |
| 16:19.00 | petn-randall | Okee: 'dpkg -s rpcbind' |
| 16:19.14 | Okee | dpkg -s rpcbind |
| 16:19.15 | dpkg | Package: rpcbind: Status: install ok installed |
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| 16:19.38 | petn-randall | Okee: You can run that on your system, and it'll display info about that package. |
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| 16:20.01 | NaturalMess | how do you install torbrowser for debian 7? |
| 16:20.06 | NaturalMess | i cant figure it out |
| 16:20.07 | Okee | petn-randall> I didn't get much, and this is what I got: <dpkg> Package: rpcbind: Status: install ok installed |
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| 16:20.40 | Okee | I will probably upgrade to the future stable version, after I get a few more tweeks figured out on my computer. |
| 16:20.52 | Okee | The downgrade appears to be working. |
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| 16:22.14 | petn-randall | Okee: Good to hear. I asked earlier if you had backups. I'm asking because libc libraries are crucial system libraries, and you might end up with a broken system if the downgrade fails. |
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| 16:24.17 | r4co0n | NaturalMess: As of now, torbrowser is not available as a Debian package - See https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/3994 |
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| 16:26.26 | r4co0n | NaturalMess, i got myself a copy of the firefox-esr source from mozilla, and built firefox myself to have a separate copy to deal with tor. You can also try to devote an iceweasel profile to tor-browsing. Take care to follow the hardening steps the Tor guys did to Firefox as good as you can. |
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| 16:27.24 | r4co0n | NaturalMess, s/did/applied/ |
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| 16:28.31 | bc1013 | r4co0n: why would you do that as opposed to using the browser bundle? |
| 16:28.41 | pessoa | why not use iceaweasel instead of firefox? |
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| 16:32.20 | Okee | NaturalMess> You can still install Torr browser in Debian. I installed it a few days ago, and it works fine. I would download the package from the torr website, and use your package installer to install it. |
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| 16:34.32 | r4co0n | bc1013, it's just what I did some years ago, the tor browser bundle built from https://www.torproject.org/dist/torbrowser/ is definitely the easier way. |
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| 16:36.44 | r4co0n | pessoa, i tried to achieve separation between normal and torified browsing. You cannot easily install iceweasel twice, but you can also build firefox, it's what I did. Probably not the smartest way, but it worked for me. |
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| 16:38.13 | petn-randall | r4co0n: The tor browser bundle comes with a self-contained, modified version of firefox. |
| 16:38.52 | r4co0n | petn-randall, i know that. The problem is that torbrowser is not available in Debian. |
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| 16:39.50 | cdb23ax | hello iam using debian jessie and i cannot install xen-qemu-dm it says that its not there |
| 16:39.54 | petn-randall | The TBB is one of the few exceptions where it makes sense to install straight from upstream. |
| 16:39.55 | Okee | NaturalMess> You may want to consider installing a Tor bridge, to conceal that you are using Tor. This will improve your security further, since Tor is not totally secure. Some recent writeups in the ACM newsletter, suggest that hackers were still able to exploit Tor, and were able to get the IP, during the shut down of a transmission. |
| 16:40.03 | cdb23ax | can someone help plz because iam trying to run hvms |
| 16:40.28 | petn-randall | cdb23ax: jessie/sid are supported on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:40.37 | cdb23ax | ok thank you |
| 16:40.49 | cdb23ax | cannot join it says that i must be invited |
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| 16:41.28 | rgr | r4co0n: torbrowser-launcher |
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| 16:42.39 | rgr | cdb23ax: ask your Q here. Someone can help. testing is frequently supported here. very few people are on the other channels. |
| 16:42.51 | petn-randall | cdb23ax: Not on freenode, on OFTC. |
| 16:43.55 | petn-randall | rgr: We're keeping it separate for a reason. jessie is doing a lot of things different compared to stable. |
| 16:44.25 | bc1013 | r4co0n: nobody needs to build firefox. it's pre-packaged for linux by mozilla. and the tor bundle is pre-packaged by the tor project. telling someone to do it themselves or compile something is silly and dangerous if they don't do it right |
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| 16:44.30 | rgr | Sure. But testing is frequently supported here : if someone can help Im sure they will. And do. The other channels are a wasteland. |
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| 16:44.57 | r4co0n | petn-randall, rgr: i think we should report back to upstream https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/3994 that a torbrowser package is not neeeded as torbrowser-launcher is in the repos? The bug was last active 3 weeks ago.. |
| 16:45.19 | r4co0n | they apparently noticed the package, but the bug is still open |
| 16:45.32 | petn-randall | r4co0n: rgr left right after giving bad advice. |
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| 16:46.22 | Okee | I continue to be plagued by duplicate packages, for the google talk plugin, and not sure how to fix this problem. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? A couple of times I tried deleting the i386 packages, since I am running AMD64, but the i386 continues to reinstall. I have ran update a few times, but to no avail. http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3f07a8b9/ |
| 16:46.28 | r4co0n | still leaves us two.. is it worth to comment on the bug? |
| 16:46.59 | r4co0n | i feel so, but am always like "You disturb the big guys" when posting bugs... |
| 16:47.45 | petn-randall | r4co0n: If it hasn't been mentioned in the bug report, you can do that. Do you have a link? |
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| 16:48.06 | r4co0n | petn-randall, https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/3994 |
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| 16:49.08 | petn-randall | r4co0n: comment:24 has it covered, no need to mention it. |
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| 16:49.32 | petn-randall | Okee: Can you paste the command you're running and the full output? |
| 16:49.41 | petn-randall | !tell Okee about bat |
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| 16:49.54 | dexta | evening |
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| 16:52.51 | Okee | petn-randall> The command I am running is 'sudo apt-get update', and the full output is http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3d3ed946/ |
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| 16:55.21 | Okee | petn-Randall> The following is the latest print out of apt-cache policy: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/8e894554/ |
| 16:55.29 | peterrooney | Okee: It looks like you have duplicate sources, not duplicate packages. I would recommend editing /etc/apt/sources.list so you only have one entry for each source. |
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| 16:56.00 | barbado | Hello. |
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| 16:57.53 | Okee | peterrooney> I don't see what is duplicated in the sources, but inclined to agree with you that is the problem. Here is my my sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/bde724e5/ |
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| 16:58.51 | barbado | I need some help concerning installation of a 32-bit Wheezy via USB flash drive on an HP Mini 110 netbook. |
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| 16:59.43 | kristijonas-mob | are tty files the very first ones that gets to know about the typed command and than they pass the commands to shell (bash) which then it to the kernel? |
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| 17:00.19 | barbado | BIOS sequence in referred netbook is OK but I keep getting this "Boot error" message. |
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| 17:02.30 | r4co0n | barbado, how do you get the image to usb? Which image are you using? Does the downloaded file match to its checksum? |
| 17:02.42 | shahri | hello. does anyone know if someone has a website or something where they upload regularly-updated QEMU images of the latest debian distributions? the only thing I've found is https://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/i386/ , but those are old. |
| 17:03.44 | barbado | Hi r4co0n, I'll try to list my steps. So, on my other Box, I've downloaded debian-7.6.0-i386-netinst.iso ISO. |
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| 17:04.58 | barbado | Other box is a Fedora one (yea, I know). |
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| 17:08.20 | barbado | So, I plug my 1GB USB flash drive, and then I run its GUI disk utility, detecting my USB device as "1976 USB 2.0" on left panel. |
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| 17:08.51 | barbado | Sorry, I meant Fedora's GUI disk utility. |
| 17:09.52 | barbado | Next I format that drive with MBR. |
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| 17:10.57 | barbado | Device is /dev/sdb BTW. |
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| 17:11.25 | r4co0n | barbado, i usually just run "dd if=/home/r4co0n/Downloads/debian-someimage.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M" and the resulting stick boots just fine.. |
| 17:12.00 | r4co0n | barbado, Fedoras dd will not differ, i suppose.. |
| 17:12.59 | r4co0n | and you can leave the bs-part out, it's just there to speed stuff up... |
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| 17:14.21 | barbado | Then I create a FAT partition occupying whole space. Yea, I tried dd already, like: |
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| 17:15.36 | barbado | # dd if=/home/barbado/debian-7.6.0-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb; sync |
| 17:15.39 | barbado | or |
| 17:16.12 | barbado | # dd if=/home/barbado/debian-7.6.0-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M; sync |
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| 17:16.26 | r4co0n | barbado, can you check if the stick is bootable on another system? |
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| 17:16.50 | johnfg_ | hi guys |
| 17:17.06 | Okee | peterrooney or Anyone Else> Does anyone see duplicate sources here? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/bde724e5/ |
| 17:17.10 | r4co0n | barbado, i found https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB, under Linux they provide a method that could work for Debian too... |
| 17:17.35 | johnfg_ | I know it's a bit early to be asking, but...in regards do jessie/systemd, will there be an option *not* to use systemd? |
| 17:17.56 | r4co0n | barbado, here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB#Linux_.28GNOME.29_quick_start_.28direct_write.29 |
| 17:17.58 | Okee | This is the results of apt-cache policy: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e571f022/ |
| 17:18.00 | johnfg_ | Even though, from what I understand, systemd will be the default? |
| 17:18.16 | babilen | barbado: fwiw, if you don't want to bother with specifying the blocksize yourself you could just "cp /home/barbado/debian-7.6.0-i386-netinst.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" |
| 17:18.42 | barbado | But it simply doesn't boot in my netbook. Keeps outputting this "Boot error" message on all of its 3 USB inputs. Tried them all :-/ |
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| 17:19.16 | r4co0n | barbado, does it boot somewhere else? Virtualbox maybe? |
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| 17:19.38 | babilen | barbado: Some sticks aren't working and it looks as if you've written it correctly. Could you check the md5 sum of that file and compare it against those published on the mirror? |
| 17:21.06 | barbado | Tried the cp way too, r4co0n. |
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| 17:22.28 | cinch | some sticks wont book |
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| 17:22.36 | r4co0n | barbado, let babilen take over, i think he can help you better now. Still: Did you try to boot from the flashed USB-Stick on another machine(Not the netbook)? |
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| 17:26.30 | barbado | OK, I'll check its md5 right away. I'm testing it as of booting on my wife's Acer notebook. |
| 17:27.45 | babilen | barbado: Which operating system do you have on the computer you want to install on? |
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| 17:29.18 | barbado | babilen: it's a 32-bit Windows XP Home Edition. |
| 17:29.49 | peterrooney | Okee: line 8, "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" contains a duplicate of the previous line |
| 17:29.56 | babilen | barbado: You could try http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 17:30.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell barbado -about win32-loader |
| 17:30.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell barbado -about win32-loader.exe |
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| 17:31.43 | babilen | barbado: Just as an alternative, no idea why you cannot boot from USB |
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| 17:32.27 | cinch | xp is still alive? :P |
| 17:32.33 | Okee | peterrooney> Line 8 indicates main, and the line above is main contrib. Aren't these different? And if not, why? |
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| 17:34.21 | ctmjr | alive yes supported by microsoft no (unless you have a ton of money) |
| 17:34.45 | fellipe | hi! is there a way to run logrotate every hour? (hourly option is unknown in debian logrotate) |
| 17:34.46 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.23 | peterrooney | Okee: only the first one includes the "contrib" repository. |
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| 17:36.03 | Okee | peterrooney> So which one should I leave in? The first? or the Second? |
| 17:36.44 | NaturalMess | how could i secure my linux? |
| 17:36.52 | NaturalMess | any advice? |
| 17:37.00 | fellipe | ? |
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| 17:37.16 | barbado | cinch: maybe I can bring it back to life ;-) |
| 17:37.17 | NaturalMess | i know about selinux, is there something else? |
| 17:37.40 | peterrooney | Okee: You tell me. Generally, "contrib" has software many find useful, but with potentially restrictive licensing. |
| 17:37.42 | r4co0n | NaturalMess, https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening |
| 17:39.10 | pessoa | no, it's not the license of contrib packages that is restrictive; they just depend on non-free packages |
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| 17:39.22 | r4co0n | okee, i would keep the debian.org lines and get rid of the kernel.org ones... |
| 17:39.36 | peterrooney | Okee: pessoa: i sit corrected and reminded. |
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| 17:42.03 | jhutchins | THis is very strange: mv IMG_20130302_180810_159.jpg ./New/ |
| 17:42.07 | jhutchins | mv: cannot move `IMG_20130302_180810_159.jpg' to `./New/IMG_20130302_180810_159.jpg': No such file or directory |
| 17:42.10 | jhutchins | Only for newly created directory. |
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| 17:43.19 | r4co0n | okee, like http://paste.debian.net/hidden/02d406bd/, but with what you got in http://paste.debian.net/hidden/bde724e5/ from line 17 to EOF |
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| 17:44.42 | pessoa | such as the oracle driver for perl's DBI |
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| 17:46.16 | barbado | md5sum output for my local file debian-7.6.0-i386-netinst.iso is 528e1a7315da1bbf50bd4d187880a519 |
| 17:47.20 | barbado | Yea, it's correct http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
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| 17:49.26 | mishal | hi, what is the best backup tool? i want to backup another debian machine and also windows clients... |
| 17:49.32 | NaturalMess | is there any easy way to install tor browser for debian 7? |
| 17:49.38 | NaturalMess | i cant get it work |
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| 17:49.51 | jhutchins | Go figure, restarted samba. |
| 17:49.58 | fellipe | hi! is there a way to run logrotate every hour? (hourly option is unknown in debian logrotate) |
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| 17:50.53 | r4co0n | NaturalMess, torbrowser-launcher should install it for you |
| 17:51.27 | NaturalMess | r4co0n couldnt find it |
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| 17:52.37 | r4co0n | NaturalMess, aaah, it's not in stable, it is only available via backports. |
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| 17:52.45 | mtn | mishal: for linux I simply use copy and paste to an external drive |
| 17:53.09 | NaturalMess | r4co0n: any idea how i get it from backports? |
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| 17:53.31 | r4co0n | NaturalMess, if you want to install torbrowser-launcher, you have to enable debian-backports, an archive that makes newer versions of programs available to the stable release. |
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| 17:54.07 | r4co0n | NaturalMess, https://wiki.debian.org/Backports#Using_the_command_line |
| 17:54.55 | r4co0n | NaturalMess, https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/torbrowser-launcher |
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| 17:56.25 | bc1013 | NaturalMess: that is terrible advice you are getting. if you want to use tor browser download it from torproject.org |
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| 17:56.50 | babilen | bc1013: Which is *exactly* what torbrowser-launcher does + Debian integration. |
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| 17:57.00 | barbado | Not booting on my wife's Acer too... Oh well... Will change USB flash drive. |
| 17:57.10 | babilen | barbado: Sorry for that :-/ |
| 17:57.16 | bc1013 | there is no reason why you need a launcher to get it for you |
| 17:57.26 | bc1013 | it's a one-click download |
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| 17:57.43 | barbado | For now, thank you very much! |
| 17:57.47 | bc1013 | adding the backports repo just to get something you can click and download on the project's page is silly |
| 17:58.05 | babilen | bc1013: Yes, but it doesn't integrate well into the system and you will also have to manually check the checksum and so on. I don't see why it is a problem to automate that. |
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| 17:58.34 | bc1013 | babilen: doesn't integrate well into the system how? |
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| 18:00.05 | babilen | bc1013: It wouldn't be in your PATH for example. |
| 18:00.16 | SquirrelCZECH | hmm |
| 18:00.23 | SquirrelCZECH | any tips for sw that would stream webcam |
| 18:00.27 | bc1013 | babilen: lol, that's what you call poor integration? |
| 18:00.34 | SquirrelCZECH | that can handle webcam that reconnects? |
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| 18:01.13 | babilen | bc1013: And it also wouldn't be kept up-to-date. I haven't checked *exactly* what the package does apart from that, but I really don't see why a unified interface to installing software is a bad thing. I mean *at worst* it behaves like the one you downloaded manually. |
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| 18:02.08 | bc1013 | babilen: yes it would. the torbutton tells you when you need to download the update. that's built into the browser itself |
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| 18:03.33 | babilen | bc1013: Yes, and then you go online again and download it manually. I have no problem with either of these ways, but I don't understand why you think that it is such a problem to provide a way to install that software through the package management system. |
| 18:04.27 | babilen | And you can be sure that you always get the newest version. |
| 18:04.37 | babilen | So, what's so horrible about that? |
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| 18:06.16 | bc1013 | it's not horrible, but also not really something that you need backports for when it's so easy to download and use. and earlier, it was being suggested that he actually compile firefox himself and configure it to use tor, which is stupid |
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| 18:08.11 | babilen | Yes, that is indeed suboptimal advice and not comparable to advocating torbrowser-launcher. Read the package description .. it discusses what it does. I consider that additional functionality and integration to be a positive thing and that it does, in no way, merit a comment such as "that is terrible advice you are getting" |
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| 18:08.32 | babilen | But lets move on, there is not much more that can or should be said about this |
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| 18:23.37 | Okee | r4co0n> Ok, here is the print out of both sessions combined, which you asked for earlier: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/163ab3c6/ |
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| 18:26.05 | DanDare | I can create folders under /home for service users and groups? Like /home/vmail e.g. I want to have /home/vmail/.ssh and add have authorized_keys there, to automate backups instantiated remotely. It will work if I just create the folders and proceed? |
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| 18:29.20 | userf | how popular is awesome wm? |
| 18:29.57 | mtn | userf: it has a rating of 3.25 out of 100 |
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| 18:30.35 | r4co0n | Okee, if I am not mistaken, you can use this as well: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/fe39e2df/ |
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| 18:31.26 | r4co0n | the other will hopefully look over this as well, but I think I just eliminated all dupes without restricting the packages you can get.. |
| 18:33.00 | babilen | dpkg: tell userf -about popcon |
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| 18:34.25 | julius_ | hi |
| 18:34.58 | julius_ | ive installed openvz a while ago and now i would like to get rid of it. using "apt-cache search openvz" shows me a lot of packages....how can i deinstall anything thats called *openvz* ? |
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| 18:35.07 | userf | mtn: this rating from Debian Popularity contest? |
| 18:35.09 | julius_ | or how do i find out whats the base package |
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| 18:37.34 | supaplex | ouch. # lvresize -L+48MiB x64-lenovo-deb/rootfs barfed :P /etc/lvm/archive/.lvm_x64-lenovo-deb_24113_742224229: write error failed: No space left on device |
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| 18:38.02 | supaplex | found the run away disk hog (kismet was saving crap to /root) |
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| 18:40.54 | Okee | r4co0n> What did you change in http://paste.debian.net/hidden/fe39e2df/ |
| 18:42.16 | banjo | julius_: dont really know what openvz is but it looks like vzctl vzquota vzstats vzdump is what you looking for |
| 18:42.24 | Okee | r4co)n> I noticed you put a backport specifically for Mozilla, but wouldn't Mozilla and all other backports be incorporated, with the following line that I used: #deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main |
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| 18:45.09 | Okee | I don't understand why Mozilla has to have a separate back port entry, when backports general is already included in the sources.list file: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/fe39e2df/ |
| 18:46.08 | cusco | its debian.net not debian.org - not oficially supported |
| 18:46.10 | babilen | Okee: Because they are different repositories with different rules for inclusion (e.g. packages in wheezy-backports are backported from testing, whereas the mozilla teams just uploads new packages into their repo. They simply share a name) |
| 18:46.14 | julius_ | banjo, and how do i know from a command name to what package it belongs? |
| 18:46.50 | Okee | How come .deb files are not included in this? |
| 18:46.54 | Okee | babilen> |
| 18:47.19 | babilen | I don't follow |
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| 18:47.59 | banjo | julius_: apt-cache depends PACKAGE and apt-cache rdepends PACKAGE or apt-cache showpkg PACKAGE |
| 18:48.29 | Okee | babilen> Previously I had .dotdeb.org files, but r4co7, didn't include them in his recommended sources.list file. This is what I had before: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/970d02bb/ |
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| 18:49.32 | Okee | r4co0n> How come you are not using the packages from: deb http://packages.dotdeb.org wheezy all |
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| 18:50.20 | Okee | babilen> Thanks for your explanation. I didn't realize the Mozilla was handling things differently. I thought everything in backports used the same rules. |
| 18:50.21 | babilen | Okee: Yes, we neither recommend nor support *any* repositories apart from those maintained by Debian or Debian teams (if you want to stretch it). That means that line 17 - 21 in that paste should be immediately removed and I wouldn't recommend to install packages from those repositories. |
| 18:50.54 | babilen | dpkg: dotdeb |
| 18:50.54 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 18:51.25 | babilen | (they have a very poor track record and their packages have been known for poor quality) |
| 18:51.38 | julius_ | banjo, ok they are usefull...but i mean if i know that the command is: vzctl i can go online and use packages.debian.org but isnt there a command line way? |
| 18:51.51 | babilen | julius_: To do what? |
| 18:52.24 | Okee | babilen> I didn't realize that, and thanks for alerting me to this problem, and potential alternatives. I will look at the alternatives right now. |
| 18:52.26 | cdb23ax | ok i have installed the debian wheezy 4.1 xen .deb packages on testing :D and all works flawlessly |
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| 18:53.57 | Okee | dpkg dotdeb alternatives |
| 18:53.58 | dpkg | Software from <dotdeb> historically had a number of packaging or functional issues. If you require newer versions than what <stable> offers, a lot of the packages now have updates in backports.debian.org, ask me about <bdo>. To remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'". |
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| 18:54.07 | banjo | julius_: apt-cache show PACKAGE |
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| 18:54.22 | Okee | dpkg bdo |
| 18:54.23 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 18:54.48 | supaplex | oh how I love it when resolv.conf gets wiped out when / is full (among other issues) |
| 18:57.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell Okee -about msgthebot |
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| 18:58.48 | ldionmarcil | http://patch-tracker.debian.org/ down ? |
| 18:59.27 | babilen | julius_: What are you looking for? (sorry, must have missed it) |
| 18:59.42 | babilen | ldionmarcil: Looks like it |
| 18:59.48 | ldionmarcil | dang... |
| 19:00.23 | banjo | babilen: every package that has something to do with openvz |
| 19:00.49 | jhutchins | ldionmarcil: No DNS entry for it. |
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| 19:00.53 | babilen | banjo: How do you define "has something to do" ? |
| 19:01.31 | banjo | 20:34 < julius_> ive installed openvz a while ago and now i would like to get rid of it. using "apt-cache searchopenvz" shows me a lot of packages....how can i deinstall anything thats called *openvz* ? |
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| 19:01.59 | babilen | banjo: aptitude purge ~i~nopenvz would be a start |
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| 19:02.21 | banjo | julius_: 21:01 < babilen> banjo: aptitude purge ~i~nopenvz would be a start |
| 19:02.23 | banjo | :) |
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| 19:05.17 | barbado | babilen: changed USB flash drive, then used UNetbootin and install went like a charm :-) |
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| 19:08.12 | babilen | barbado: You mean you completed the installation already? |
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| 19:08.16 | Okee | babilen> dpkg indicates that I should ask about Judd, which is another bot into the debian database, but then can't find it when I ask about it. What is judd? |
| 19:08.28 | babilen | judd: ping |
| 19:08.29 | judd | pong |
| 19:08.41 | babilen | Okee: judd, judd: Okee |
| 19:08.55 | babilen | Okee: Also read http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ |
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| 19:09.21 | babilen | banjo: err, yeah .. sorry :) |
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| 19:10.50 | NaturalMess | hi. how do i full system encryption? |
| 19:10.55 | NaturalMess | on debian 7 |
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| 19:14.08 | babilen | NaturalMess: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition â 6.3.3.6. Configuring Encrypted Volumes |
| 19:14.24 | babilen | NaturalMess: It is also one of the options for "Guided partitioning" |
| 19:14.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell NaturalMess -about luks |
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| 19:14.55 | fellipe | hi! is there a way to run logrotate every hour? (hourly option is unknown in debian logrotate) |
| 19:15.34 | Okee | I am afraid that I don't understand how to use judd. I have read the info on ircbots.debian.net, and I am clueless. |
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| 19:15.52 | babilen | Okee: What do you want to do? |
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| 19:18.32 | BaT | fellipe: It's invoked by cron, so just add it to hourly cronjob |
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| 19:21.30 | Okee | babilen> I was just exploring what the judd bot does, and really don't know anything about it. I learned about it from dpkg |
| 19:22.05 | Okee | babilen> Also, what are some of the other backport files, or sources, that may be used for LAMP, so that I don't have to use the .dotdeb repos. |
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| 19:22.52 | fellipe | BaT, But it seems even it's scheduled every hour, logrotate see that's same day, so it does not rotate... |
| 19:23.10 | babilen | Okee: AFAIK there aren't any PHP packages in backports right now. You should simply target the PHP version you will deploy on (or use a different distribution if you require a newer PHP than what is in stable) |
| 19:23.53 | towski | all my previous methods of getting my laptop to do nothing on lid close are failing |
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| 19:24.14 | towski | anyone know the new way of preventing my laptop from suspending or doing anything on lid close |
| 19:24.34 | babilen | towski: Which Debian suite are you tracking? |
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| 19:24.45 | towski | testing |
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| 19:25.17 | babilen | towski: You want #debian-next then and you also want to take a look at /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
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| 19:25.25 | babilen | (on irc.oftc.net) |
| 19:25.37 | towski | yeah I've already got the logind.conf setting that's supposed to work |
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| 19:26.42 | Okee | babilen> I would like to stay with stable, but wondering if using a different pin order, for a newer version of PHP, would be a better alternative than the .dotdeb repository? |
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| 19:29.19 | fishsponge_ | hello! i've had this email, so does anyone here know what it means?? Here's the email I received: http://pastebin.com/PF8x5Jqy |
| 19:29.38 | babilen | Okee: We neither recommend nor support dotdeb. You will be on your own with those packages. |
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| 19:30.50 | NaturalMess | somebody who can help me setup full system encryption? |
| 19:30.57 | NaturalMess | i could tip you:) |
| 19:31.13 | ldionmarcil | NaturalMess: people have linked you to exhaustive tutorials already |
| 19:33.31 | fishsponge_ | hello! i've had this email, so does anyone here know what it means?? Here's the email I received: http://pastebin.com/PF8x5Jqy |
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| 19:33.48 | blackjack | why ecnrypt your system when nothing important is inside iit |
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| 19:34.17 | jhutchins | NaturalMess: Back up your data and try it. if it doesn't work, figure out what went wrong and try again. |
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| 19:35.31 | NaturalMess | jhutchins: what link? |
| 19:35.59 | jhutchins | NaturalMess: whatever you like. |
| 19:36.34 | julius_ | banjo, oh sorry..missed that |
| 19:37.43 | fishsponge_ | does anyone know what this means: http://pastebin.com/PF8x5Jqy ?? |
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| 19:39.19 | julius_ | banjo, it also listed jre 7, which im sure is needed elsewhere.....these apt magic isnt my favorite thing todo. packet management should be easier |
| 19:39.43 | woshty | fishsponge_: You are still running squeeze? |
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| 19:39.58 | fishsponge_ | i'm on version 6.0.10 |
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| 19:42.44 | micw | hi |
| 19:42.52 | micw | how can i fix this apt error? http://pastebin.com/M9y09PbV |
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| 19:44.01 | fishsponge_ | woshty, i'm on version 6.0.10 |
| 19:44.18 | jhutchins | julius_: packets are units of network data. .deb files are packages. |
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| 19:45.11 | Gatis | HERE comes JEsus |
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| 19:46.25 | Gatis | For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. |
| 19:46.25 | Gatis | 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. |
| 19:46.25 | Gatis | 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. |
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| 19:49.28 | acu | can anyone tell e how to add Romanian locale to Debian Jessie ? I have some txt files (some subtitles, they add funny characters, not the romanian), I add the keyboard to romanian, but of course id does not change anything |
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| 19:51.36 | banjo | julius_: it depends on what packages you are deleting. if jre is needed elsewhere and you dont do apt-get remove jre it will stay installed |
| 19:52.16 | Okee | I am still getting duplicate packages for google talk plug. I did accept your suggestions for a sources.list, but I elected to keep the .dotdeb packages, until I do further exploration. This is a print out http://paste.debian.net/hidden/42bc2db4/ |
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| 19:52.22 | fishsponge_ | gtg! |
| 19:53.20 | banjo | julius_: but check the output and decide on your own. sorry but i dont know nothing about openvz and what for it is and so on. do you know what other programs you were using with openvz? |
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| 19:53.33 | banjo | maybe you could go this way |
| 19:53.35 | babilen | acu: So you generated the locale already as suggested in #debian-next ? Please keep it there (you never said another thing) |
| 19:54.14 | Okee | I am not totally convinced that the problem is on my side, for the duplicate packages for Google Talk Plugin |
| 19:54.36 | maziar | hello every one , i want some document about RIMAP ( remote imap ) , can any body help me ? |
| 19:55.01 | babilen | Okee: Your sources.list seems to be completely broken. |
| 19:55.27 | babilen | (paste it again or use http://paste.debian.net/116984/ ) |
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| 19:56.40 | jhutchins | maziar: What is it you are trying to do? |
| 19:57.27 | Okee | babilen> Except for the dotdeb pkgs, I have used the suggested sources.list that was provided to me earlier in this channel: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f7147bb4/ |
| 19:57.37 | maziar | jhutchins, its some thing about mail server , remote imap server, do you know any thing about it ? |
| 19:57.58 | maziar | hello every one , i want some document about RIMAP ( remote imap ) , can any body help me ? |
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| 19:58.47 | mtn | maziar: Wouldn't it be cool if someone came up with a way to search for information on the internet? |
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| 20:00.04 | MY123 | Okee: Remove the dotdeb lines about LAMP at the end. |
| 20:00.32 | maziar | mtn, why you think i'm not searching? |
| 20:00.46 | Okee | MY123> Why should dotdeb have anything to do with the double entries for the Google Talk Plugin? |
| 20:01.23 | mtn | maziar: did you say you did? when you ask a general question like that it implies you have not tried to find it by yourself. |
| 20:01.32 | MY123 | Okee: It may share some different versions of libs causing garbage. |
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| 20:02.32 | maziar | mtn, dude im searchin about it a lot , but i find not any thing good, can you help me ? |
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| 20:03.06 | mtn | maziar: I could do the search for you, I guess, but don't want to. if you have a real question about debian, please go ahead and ask it. ;) |
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| 20:04.41 | jhutchins | maziar: I'm curious about why you think you need "remote" imap. Imap is an inherently remote protocol (although it can be used locally). |
| 20:05.15 | maziar | mtn, can you help me to find good document ? |
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| 20:06.31 | Okee | MY123> I have determined that the only packages that .dotdeb offered are as follows: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/9183477b/ After removing the dotdeb, I was asked to downgrade these packages |
| 20:07.55 | studio | hey guys, how upgrade from squeze ? |
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| 20:08.20 | supaplex | studio: /topic |
| 20:08.20 | Okee | Problem with duplicate google talk plugin packages persists: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a3a913ef/ I am fairly certain this isn't a problem on my side |
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| 20:08.33 | jhutchins | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 20:08.33 | dpkg | Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>. |
| 20:09.22 | studio | jhutchins, thanks |
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| 20:10.52 | jhutchins | Okee: You're getting duplicate entries from somewhere. Do you have a sources.d? |
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| 20:11.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell Okee -about show sources.list |
| 20:12.10 | babilen | Okee: Please run that command and paste its output to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 20:13.45 | andhoy | clonezilla server deploying image to 9 laptops fails every time at around 15%. what could be the cause? no errors, but percentage stops increasing. |
| 20:13.59 | andhoy | I have tried waiting for it, but nothing happens |
| 20:14.03 | jhutchins | andhoy: Bad image? |
| 20:14.17 | jhutchins | andhoy: Logs? |
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| 20:14.56 | andhoy | where are the logs for this? :) |
| 20:15.25 | jhutchins | andhoy: Usually /var/log/ |
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| 20:16.11 | andhoy | jhutchins you know if possible to clone local sda to all the laptops instead of first creating an image? |
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| 20:16.33 | andhoy | laptop containing harddisk I want to clone is running clonezilla server live :) |
| 20:16.41 | jhutchins | andhoy: I never actually got my clonezilla server working. |
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| 20:17.31 | andhoy | jhutchins: The clonzilla SE live needs no configuration :) |
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| 20:18.28 | jhutchins | andhoy: I worked with it several years ago and had trouble with the PXE boot menu. |
| 20:18.59 | andhoy | going to create a new image again tomorrow then before giving it another try |
| 20:19.10 | jhutchins | andhoy: That sounds like it could generate conflict loops though. |
| 20:19.26 | jhutchins | andhoy: Yeah, I'd create the image, then clone it, not try to do it directly. |
| 20:19.58 | julius_ | banjo, apt-file looks promissing |
| 20:19.59 | jhutchins | andhoy: I would have smartmontools installed and be checking the logs for disk errors too. |
| 20:20.13 | andhoy | jhutchins: good idea! |
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| 20:20.37 | julius_ | banjo, with that tool i can see which package a file belongs to and the delete it. hopefully getting rid of all the deps that were installed by it |
| 20:20.44 | andhoy | jhutchins: I just connect the laptops to a switch not connected to the network :) that way nothing can go wrong |
| 20:21.26 | andhoy | jhutchins: calling it a day, trying more tomorrow, thanks for help |
| 20:21.33 | supaplex | !lart exfat |
| 20:21.34 | dpkg | slaps exfat around with a large trout |
| 20:21.46 | maziar | mtn, can you help me to find good document |
| 20:22.03 | maziar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:23.08 | jhutchins | mikeym: You have to answer our questions if we're going to be able to help you. |
| 20:23.23 | jhutchins | maziar: You have to answer our questions if we're going to be able to help you. |
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| 20:23.43 | jhutchins | maziar: I asked why you think you need "remote" imap, imap is already remote. |
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| 20:23.58 | supaplex | never heard of rimap. seems redundant. |
| 20:24.07 | jhutchins | maziar: What are you actually trying to do? |
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| 20:26.00 | jhutchins | maziar: If you're not going to answer basic, civil questions you're going to alienate anyone who could help you. |
| 20:26.30 | piranha93 | from where can I download debian testing? |
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| 20:26.57 | jhutchins | piranha93: Why not stable? |
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| 20:27.14 | Okee | babilen> And here it is --> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4af35769/ |
| 20:27.36 | piranha93 | jhutchins, I would try testing the |
| 20:28.02 | piranha93 | but the testing version contains iceweasel or firefox? |
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| 20:28.19 | jhutchins | piranha93: Yes. |
| 20:28.44 | piranha93 | you what? |
| 20:28.55 | jhutchins | piranha93: Same code, different label. |
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| 20:29.25 | piranha93 | ok |
| 20:29.43 | piranha93 | from where can I download debian testing? |
| 20:29.46 | jhutchins | !tell piranha93 about testing |
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| 20:30.36 | banjo | julius_: yeah apt-file is good for this. hope you have luck with all this;) |
| 20:31.21 | julius_ | banjo, allt his? i just want to remove a package with all its deps |
| 20:31.31 | Okee | babilen> I think I found the problem, and there are duplicate entires in the following --> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-talkplugin.list |
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| 20:33.47 | banjo | julius_: i know, but you dont know really what package:) |
| 20:33.48 | julius_ | banjo, apt-get remove --auto-remove packagename looks like the right one, but since i deinstalled the openvz package with another command the deps are stll on the system...but what the hell. next time |
| 20:33.55 | piranha93 | jhutchins, for debian testing is enough that I install the debian stable repositories and later change from stable to testing? |
| 20:33.57 | Okee | ok, it looks like the duplicate package problem has been fixed. |
| 20:34.19 | julius_ | banjo, thx for your time |
| 20:34.24 | banjo | julius_: apt-get autoremove |
| 20:34.32 | julius_ | ok |
| 20:34.36 | banjo | or apt-get --purge autoremove |
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| 20:35.35 | jhutchins | piranha93: That is the recommended method. |
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| 20:35.49 | jhutchins | piranha93: The testing installer is one of the last things to be brought up to date. |
| 20:35.52 | banjo | sometimes packages apt still leaves because of silly dependency-chains. thats right:) |
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| 20:37.42 | banjo | julius_: aptitude why PACKAGE could be also helpfull for you |
| 20:38.26 | piranha93 | jhutchins, this is fine for debian testing http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_beta_1/amd64/iso-cd/? |
| 20:38.39 | julius_ | thx |
| 20:38.43 | julius_ | im off for now |
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| 20:40.48 | jhutchins | piranha93: Stable + upgrade is the recommended method. |
| 20:41.16 | piranha93 | ok thanks :D |
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| 20:59.36 | maziar | hello every one , i want some document about RIMAP ( remote imap ) , can any body help me ? |
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| 21:15.57 | modem_ | hi. Please how to disable the guest account on debian jessis ? TY |
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| 21:28.48 | jhutchins | modem_: What makes you think it's enabled? |
| 21:29.15 | magyar | hi, the upowerd process is consuming all my memory on the system 19GB already, what could this be? (Jessie amd64) |
| 21:29.17 | jhutchins | modem_: Do you mean the guest on the graphical login? |
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| 21:32.43 | chomwitt | hi. shouldnt ttf-mscorefotns-installer be in non-free ? |
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| 21:37.54 | nmschulte | How can I configure udev so that the uvcvideo module is not loaded (and there-by won't wrangle) when I plug in my LEAP Motion USB device? |
| 21:38.02 | modem_ | jhutchins, yes on the graphical screen |
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| 21:38.46 | jelly-home | chomwitt: no, the installer itself is dfsg-compliant, but to do anything actually useful it needs non-free software. That places it straight into the "contrib" component |
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| 21:41.21 | chomwitt | jelly-home: so a program can download non-free software (fonts in our case)? |
| 21:41.56 | jelly-home | chomwitt: a program in contrib is allowed to do that, yes. |
| 21:42.01 | jelly-home | !contrib |
| 21:42.02 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ [wheezy|squeeze|jessie] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
| 21:43.06 | chomwitt | jelly-home: thanks! |
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| 22:11.00 | unknowna | hello |
| 22:11.08 | unknowna | can someone help me install libmysqlclient_r.so.16 on debian 7 ? |
| 22:11.18 | unknowna | I installed libmysqlclient but it didn't solve |
| 22:11.24 | unknowna | neither did the -dev |
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| 22:13.10 | ompaul | unknowna: what is the problem you are trying to solve |
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| 22:54.51 | xtuh | Hi, i need to install php 5.3 on last debian system. is it possible ? |
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| 22:57.52 | Brigo | ,v php |
| 22:57.53 | judd | No package named 'php' was found in i386. |
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| 22:59.13 | Brigo | xtuh, last debian system? wheezy? |
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| 23:05.57 | xtuh | Brigo: yes seems like wheezy, x64 |
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| 23:06.56 | Brigo | xtuh, the default's one is php 5.4 and you like one older? |
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| 23:12.10 | xtuh | Brigo: yes, http://support.sugarcrm.com/05_Resources/03_Supported_Platforms/Sugar_6.5.x_Supported_Platforms/ |
| 23:12.56 | xtuh | Brigo: and i would like to use repos, if that possible. |
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| 23:15.41 | Brigo | xtuh, i think php 5.3 is not in repos, but you can find it in snapshot.debian.net. the problem may be dependencies. |
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| 23:16.48 | Brigo | xtuh, http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/php5/ |
| 23:17.40 | Brigo | You can try to install it with dpkg -i <package> or use a repo line like one explained in snapshot.debian.net home page |
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| 23:20.57 | xtuh | Brigo: should i replace " lenny" with " wheezy" ? |
| 23:21.18 | Brigo | xtuh, where? |
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| 23:21.44 | Brigo | ah, in the example, yes, it is only an example :) |
| 23:23.58 | Brigo | xtuh, in this guide does not cares about php version: http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-sugarcrm-community-edition-on-debian-lenny |
| 23:25.38 | xtuh | Brigo: yes, but in logs there is lot php errors, so i want try on older version, as it list as supported. |
| 23:26.13 | Brigo | here is a debian solution: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Debian |
| 23:26.57 | Brigo | And this from debian wiki: https://wiki.debian.org/Sugar |
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| 23:31.00 | Jessie-question | hey |
| 23:32.07 | Jessie-question | I've changed some hardware and now have some minor graphic problems. Is upgrading to jessie going to solve this issues? or is dpkg-reconfigure <alot> needed? |
| 23:32.25 | xtuh | Brigo: seems like sugar is not sugarcrm |
| 23:32.39 | mtn | Jessie-question: did you use the debian wiki for your video hardware? |
| 23:32.51 | Brigo | xtuh, ups, sorry, then. |
| 23:33.07 | Jessie-question | mtn: no, but I've read that jessie supports haswell |
| 23:33.30 | mtn | Jessie-question: start with the proper wiki entry and see what it gets you |
| 23:33.36 | Jessie-question | Hardware changes: board (->onboard graphics also), cpu, tried added ssd (at the moment not working) |
| 23:34.04 | Jessie-question | mtn: I running the upgrade at the moment, afterwards still abligable? |
| 23:34.26 | Jessie-question | applicable.. |
| 23:34.29 | Jessie-question | ;) |
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| 23:34.42 | mtn | Jessie-question: the wiki should still be helpful, I would think |
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| 23:35.02 | Jessie-question | ok, I'll have a look |
| 23:35.02 | Jessie-question | thx |
| 23:35.43 | ompaul | nginx question -> if using as a reverse proxy to push stuff from https://host/foo/ it is a 403 can it be captured and directed to http://site |
| 23:35.55 | ompaul | if so do you know the syntax |
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| 23:38.05 | ompaul | found it :) |
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| 23:40.35 | xtuh | ompaul: where? |
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| 23:41.58 | ompaul | xtuh: on the internet :) |
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| 23:42.37 | ompaul | xtuh: this is actually what I wanted more of an idea I ended up with deny all which directed to nginx 403 http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1119195 |
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| 23:48.21 | Jessie-question | mtn: is there a way to identify packages which are not needed anymore? Looking at the aptitude log, I see radeon stuff and more |
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| 23:51.27 | mtn | Jessie-question: this might help: https://wiki.debian.org/ReduceDebian |
| 23:51.41 | nurupo | Debian's eclipse package is so old, even in unstable it is version 3.8 from 27 June 2012. the current one is 4.4 from 25 June 2014 |
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| 23:52.47 | mtn | Jessie-question: deborphan might help, too |
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| 23:58.16 | MadTBone | how do you find out the ./configure line that was used in building something that's in a .deb? |
| 23:58.19 | nurupo | they should really update eclipse for jessie. it looks like eclipse 3.8 will become unmaintained in about 2 years (at that time Jessie will be debian stable) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_(software)#Releases |
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