| 00:00.11 | format_c | as I said that the sorting is dest, mask, metric it was obvious that the two equal default routes, the first one must have had the better metric, but was pointing to the wrong interface without a next hop. |
| 00:00.16 | format_c | Which is bad |
| 00:00.46 | format_c | the solution came from this forum: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=116275#p547837 |
| 00:01.03 | format_c | need to leave now. |
| 00:01.14 | format_c | gn8 @all |
| 00:01.35 | carandraug | format_c, so since both are using 1000 + the value on /sys/class/net/device/ifindex, and eth0 has a lower value than wlan0. I guess it makes sense usualy ethernet is prefered |
| 00:01.51 | carandraug | format_c, ok. Good night. And thank you very much for your help |
| 00:02.08 | ec|ipse_ | LtL: It looks like I mounted it, gave a few warnings, should I restart now? |
| 00:02.23 | format_c | wish you the best to figure out a more generic solution than this quick shot. |
| 00:02.51 | LtL | ec|ipse_: is win8 missing from your grub menu, is that the problem? |
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| 00:03.38 | ec|ipse_ | LtL: yes that is my problem |
| 00:05.18 | LtL | ec|ipse_: what i gave you will not persist btw, you would add the command to /etc/fstab. if its gone from your bootup grub menu then the only thing i can think f is running 'update-grub' it already knows about win8 chainloading but i cant guarentee update-grub will put it back, but i should. |
| 00:05.51 | LtL | a few typos there there sorry. |
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| 00:06.08 | ec|ipse_ | LtL: ok, but by mounting it I at least have access to the files and can back them up in any case, right? |
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| 00:06.51 | LtL | ec|ipse_: os-prober normally adds it, but it seeed to already know about it, did yu run os-prober as root? |
| 00:07.24 | ec|ipse_ | LtL: yeah I did, it lists the windows 8, ive restarted and it still is not in the grub menu |
| 00:07.34 | LtL | ec|ipse_: yes mounting that partition in debian gives you full access to it |
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| 00:08.43 | LtL | ec|ipse_: i would try update-grub, but at your own risk,idoubt it will damage anything but it may add it back |
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| 00:16.18 | mint | i'm using debootstrap, what package should i install to have a full desktop environment? (like xfce) |
| 00:16.18 | sepero | Hi all. Is it possible to mount a partition over root / to replace the root filesystem? |
| 00:16.54 | sepero | mint: install xfce |
| 00:16.57 | LtL | ec|ipse_: to be safe i would umount /dev/sda1 before running update-grub |
| 00:17.04 | mint | just apt-get install xfce? |
| 00:17.13 | mint | and i get the full environment? |
| 00:17.27 | mint | i want one just like the default debian install |
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| 00:18.18 | onitaL | idk you guys, but Im not quite sure of sepero's question |
| 00:18.26 | LtL | mint: apt-cache search xfce4 first, then choose what installs the full desktop with apt-cache show packagename |
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| 00:20.01 | nkuttler | !install xfce4 |
| 00:20.02 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies» To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install". |
| 00:20.03 | LtL | mint: xfce4 should be the meta-package for the full desktop |
| 00:20.20 | debonaire | im trying to install the google-talk plugin.. its a .deb file but when i try to open it with synaptic nothing happens |
| 00:20.48 | sepero | mint: install desktop-base |
| 00:20.54 | debonaire | im tryin to make a phone call someone stole my phone |
| 00:21.20 | sepero | mint: install xfdesktop4 |
| 00:21.57 | sepero | mint: for more options $ apt-cache search desktop | grep desktop | sort | less |
| 00:22.06 | mint | thx |
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| 00:22.25 | ec|ipse_ | LtL: update-grub says command not found |
| 00:23.00 | onitaL | debonaire, you don't have any other phone? |
| 00:23.09 | onitaL | land line? |
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| 00:24.00 | LtL | ec|ipse_: are you root? type whereis update-grub .. i dont know what damage interrupting an update may have caused |
| 00:24.33 | ec|ipse_ | ah ok its working now |
| 00:24.42 | ec|ipse_ | ill reboot again |
| 00:24.49 | LtL | g'luck |
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| 00:28.10 | ec|ipse | LtL: it worked, im booted in windows. thanks a lot for the help |
| 00:28.25 | LtL | ec|ipse: cool. hapy to help |
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| 00:28.47 | sepero | Hi all. Is it possible to mount a partition over root / to replace the root filesystem? |
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| 00:31.17 | nkuttler | sepero: sounds like a (very) bad idea |
| 00:31.26 | nkuttler | sepero: but sure, go ahead and try it |
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| 00:31.51 | sepero | nkuttler: I tried, both with mount --move and mount -o bind |
| 00:32.09 | sepero | nkuttler: I haven't yet had success |
| 00:32.13 | nkuttler | sepero: please paste exact commands and errors.. |
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| 00:32.59 | nkuttler | sepero: what are you really trying to do anyway? |
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| 00:33.24 | sepero | nkuttler: There are no errors. It just didn't show the correct files at root. It still showed the old files |
| 00:33.29 | danlamanna | it seems as though the latest chromium on wheezy just doesnt work with flash? |
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| 00:34.17 | cynicallemon | danlamanna: you need the pepperflash non-free package |
| 00:34.36 | sepero | nkuttler: what i'm really trying to do is replace root / with another partition shortly after the system has started running |
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| 00:35.26 | danlamanna | cynicallemon: ah, using backports? |
| 00:36.36 | cynicallemon | danlamanna: yeah, pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 00:37.29 | cynicallemon | danlamanna: it basically downloads google-chrome, extracts the pepperflash api and adds it to chromium |
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| 00:39.50 | danlamanna | so if i add wheezy-backports main to my sources.list - it won't download anything using it unless i explicitly set -t right? |
| 00:40.20 | LtL | danlamanna: correct |
| 00:40.43 | debonaire | onitaL, i dont even have internet im having a real led zeppelin communication breakdown |
| 00:41.41 | LtL | debonaire: it will update packages from backports if they are installed already fyi |
| 00:42.30 | debonaire | LtL, i downloaded the debfile from googles site. i cant get it to load in synaptic so that i can install it |
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| 00:43.45 | danlamanna | hmm, not showing up even after apt-get update showed wheezy-backports updating |
| 00:44.05 | danlamanna | i mean, unable to locate package pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 00:44.13 | danlamanna | following this: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/#index2h2 |
| 00:44.16 | LtL | debonaire: i don't recommend using it... but if you insist, from a shell use dpkg-i packagename to install it |
| 00:44.28 | LtL | dpkg -i rather |
| 00:44.29 | dpkg | removes a lung from ltl and replaces it with rather |
| 00:44.37 | LtL | *ouch* |
| 00:45.09 | debonaire | LtL, word. thanks for teaching me that |
| 00:45.20 | LtL | debonaire: welcome |
| 00:45.51 | kill_-9_1 | dpkg -L dpkg |
| 00:45.52 | dpkg | No packages found matching dpkg |
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| 00:46.34 | cynicallemon | danlamanna: did you add "contrib non-free" onto the end ? |
| 00:46.43 | danlamanna | cynicallemon: didn't have contrib |
| 00:46.46 | danlamanna | now it works |
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| 00:47.43 | lart | sup |
| 00:47.46 | lart | I'd just like to know |
| 00:47.48 | lart | why actually |
| 00:47.52 | lart | is debian so blood clot retarded, |
| 00:48.36 | cynicallemon | danlamanna: apart from the "free" aspect of chromium, people might just as well install google-chrome and be done |
| 00:48.53 | lart | i _HATE_ cynicallemon |
| 00:49.05 | debonaire | how do i tell if im using alsa, jack, or pulse audio and what not? |
| 00:49.08 | cynicallemon | lart: lots do |
| 00:49.15 | danlamanna | cynicallemon: i mean, the free aspect is kind of important to me. though if it really were i would just be using firefox |
| 00:49.17 | nkuttler | !ops lart trolling |
| 00:49.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nkuttler complains about: lart trolling |
| 00:49.35 | lart | lorf@ |
| 00:49.39 | lart | fucking pussy |
| 00:49.40 | lart | binting |
| 00:49.43 | LoRez | lart: that's enough |
| 00:49.45 | lart | and asking for the badman ops |
| 00:49.48 | lart | to sort me out |
| 00:49.50 | lart | what a brilliantly |
| 00:49.51 | lart | silly |
| 00:49.55 | lart | little farce |
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| 00:51.06 | cynicallemon | lart: to update chromiums flash you have to download google-chrome anyway so the "freedom" aspect is null and void |
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| 00:51.36 | shaheed | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 00:51.38 | kill_-9_1 | lart: Autoquiet by ChanServ . |
| 00:51.39 | nkuttler | cynicallemon: i think you mean danlamanna |
| 00:51.54 | danlamanna | cynicallemon: :(. i would love to just use firefox, but it's so much slower for me. |
| 00:52.13 | cynicallemon | nkuttler: lart was hating me for mentioning google-chrome |
| 00:52.16 | shaheed | !ask |
| 00:52.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 00:52.18 | shaheed | !ask |
| 00:52.27 | nkuttler | LoRez: it's back |
| 00:52.36 | shaheed | lagging |
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| 00:53.49 | cynicallemon | danlamanna: yeah firefox is slower and i have been somewhat put of mozilla products after they ousted brendon eich in the way they did |
| 00:54.07 | abrotman | looks at LoRez !!!! |
| 00:54.13 | abrotman | LoRez: LTNS! |
| 00:54.38 | danlamanna | cynicallemon: that was a cluster indeed. i just leave firefox open for a couple days and my memory goes through the roof. people seem somewhat offended if you mention ff being slower though. |
| 00:57.40 | cynicallemon | danlamanna: chrome/chromium is much more responsive and speed always wins |
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| 00:59.49 | sebastian1 | try dwb |
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| 01:01.18 | cynicallemon | sebastian1: dwb doesnt support flash, or does it? |
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| 01:03.07 | carandraug | anyone knows how and when the network/interfaces file is generated? |
| 01:03.11 | sebastian1 | all keyboard driven, toggle: javascript, disconnect, adblock, flash (i think), amongst other things. I can't find a reason to use flash anyway. |
| 01:04.27 | carandraug | /etc/network/interfaces I mean. It's not in any debian package (I searched on packages.debian.org so I'm guessing it's a post or pre install script of some other pckage |
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| 01:06.16 | cynicallemon | sebastian1: yeah, ive used it. another good one was uzbl |
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| 01:08.27 | danlamanna | i've used those, the only one i really liked was conkeror... but i end up getting lazy and reverting to chrome. |
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| 01:10.50 | luffy2014 | can anyone recommend me a free as in freedom newbie friendly alternative to the plop boot manager? I want to be able to boot from usb pen driives but my bios does not support booting from usb |
| 01:11.23 | abrotman | how old is the system? |
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| 01:11.39 | luffy2014 | 2003 |
| 01:11.52 | abrotman | does it still have a 3.5" floppy? |
| 01:11.56 | luffy2014 | no |
| 01:12.11 | abrotman | the bios says it supports usb booting ? |
| 01:12.20 | abrotman | how did you prepare the USB drive you're trying to boot from? |
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| 01:12.35 | luffy2014 | my bios does NOT support booting from usb |
| 01:12.43 | abrotman | crazy talk :) |
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| 01:13.17 | abrotman | luffy2014: so plop isn't Free? |
| 01:13.52 | luffy2014 | i used unetbootin |
| 01:14.36 | luffy2014 | http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/licence.html Plop is not free as in fredom (according to the FSF) |
| 01:15.04 | cynicallemon | luffy2014: nothing is according to them |
| 01:15.39 | abrotman | neither is Debian |
| 01:16.07 | abrotman | FWIW, I"m not aware of anything .. and also, unetbootin rarely works with Debian ISOs for USB booting |
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| 01:16.21 | cynicallemon | luffy2014: freedom is great but dont let it inhibit you in your goal |
| 01:16.44 | cynicallemon | abrotman: true, i dd mine |
| 01:16.48 | luffy2014 | abrotman, can you please recommend me an alternative to plop that meets my criteria? |
| 01:18.04 | luffy2014 | cynicallemon, can you please recommend me an alternative to plop that meets my criteria? |
| 01:18.29 | abrotman | luffy2014: I think I just told you ? |
| 01:18.32 | cynicallemon | luffy2014: is this to install to the laptops hard drive or to use as a live usb? |
| 01:19.02 | luffy2014 | to use as a live USB |
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| 01:20.26 | cynicallemon | luffy2014: then you have little option im afraid |
| 01:21.27 | luffy2014 | abrotman, so there is a very important app that needs to be created. like the vast majority of GNU/Linux users i am not programmer but a mere desktop newbie |
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| 01:21.54 | cynicallemon | luffy2014: i had a dell c400 laptop a few years ago that didnt boot from usb and i just lost interest after a while |
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| 01:22.53 | joshh20 | Any ideas why I get this message |
| 01:22.54 | joshh20 | root@ns500765:~# ifconfig flushdns eth0 |
| 01:22.54 | joshh20 | eth0: Unknown host |
| 01:23.17 | carandraug | luffy2014, if your system does not boot from USB, why would it boot if plop was the boot manager in your USB? |
| 01:23.19 | abrotman | because that's not a host |
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| 01:23.33 | cynicallemon | luffy2014: if you wanted to install to a hard drive on the laptop then the best bet would be a tftp server |
| 01:23.46 | joshh20 | What is a host then? The IP address? |
| 01:23.48 | abrotman | luffy2014: you could just use plop once? :) |
| 01:23.55 | abrotman | joshh20: or domain name perhaps |
| 01:24.50 | abrotman | FQDN |
| 01:25.00 | joshh20 | I am not seeing that when I typed ifconfig |
| 01:25.04 | joshh20 | Just eth0 and the IPs |
| 01:25.13 | luffy2014 | i vaguely remember a guy who edited grub to achieve my goal about 4 years ago. Sadly, i lost contact with him around the same time. He refused point blank to use plop. He was a devotee, you know |
| 01:25.19 | abrotman | joshh20: are you just trying to restart nscd ? |
| 01:25.26 | carandraug | luffy2014, I think I understand, you want to replace the bootmanager of your disk |
| 01:25.39 | joshh20 | No I don't run a DNS service on my machine |
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| 01:25.56 | abrotman | joshh20: so you're just trying to flush the client cache ? |
| 01:26.00 | joshh20 | Yes |
| 01:26.17 | carandraug | luffy2014, well, if you really think that is important to exist you should 1) pay someone to create it, 2) learn how to do it and do it yourself. You should not be demaning the other developers to write it when they don't need it |
| 01:26.21 | luffy2014 | no, i do not want to replace Debian 's stock boot manager (grub). i run Wheezy |
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| 01:26.51 | abrotman | joshh20: are you physically at the system ? |
| 01:27.00 | joshh20 | No I am connected with SSH |
| 01:27.19 | joshh20 | It is a headless server |
| 01:27.40 | luffy2014 | carandraug, do not patronize me! |
| 01:29.51 | cynicallemon | joshh20: restart the dns service maybe? |
| 01:30.02 | joshh20 | Which process would that be? |
| 01:30.07 | joshh20 | I uninstalled ncsd |
| 01:30.18 | joshh20 | Err nscd I mean |
| 01:30.35 | joshh20 | That is, if it was ever even installed I can't remember |
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| 01:32.12 | carandraug | luffy2014, what's patronizing on saying "go do do something about it instead of complaining that a tool few others seem to care about does not exist and that they should create it for you"? |
| 01:32.16 | okee | Can someone help me with an upgrade to Okular version .20? This is not in the repos, and I am running Debian Stable. So far I have cloned the program with git, and now have a folder in the /home directory. Also, I have compiled the program, so the last thing I need to do is make a path to /path/to/your/kde4/install/dir How do I make a path? |
| 01:32.25 | okee | No one is responding in Okular. |
| 01:32.55 | luffy2014 | carandraug, i am not complaining. i am merely stating a fact |
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| 01:34.08 | carandraug | luffy2014, an incorrect fact. "very important app that needs to be created"? When pretty much all new systems support boot from USB, yor so called "fact" becomes less and less important |
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| 01:34.59 | carandraug | not only do you claim it is "very important", you also also specify it needs to be done by someone else although it seems to be very important for you. |
| 01:35.08 | cynicallemon | joshh20: dnsmasq usually handles dns stuff by default but that doe not cache queries AFAIK |
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| 01:35.22 | luffy2014 | carandraug, and the app i am after would not be created for me only. there are lots of people in the so called 3rd world running GNU/Linux on computers whose bios does not support booting from USB and who arevery much in favour of free as in freedom stuff |
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| 01:36.18 | abrotman | cynicallemon: it does |
| 01:36.20 | carandraug | luffy2014, I'd have guessed that such an old system is likely to also have a CD driver |
| 01:36.25 | abrotman | most everything does by default |
| 01:36.29 | abrotman | it's part of how DNS works |
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| 01:37.02 | cynicallemon | abrotman: does what, cache? |
| 01:37.06 | luffy2014 | carandraug, did you know that Debian works on Pentium 233 Mhz 256MB RAM systems with X? |
| 01:37.11 | joshh20 | How do I purge this cache though? |
| 01:37.22 | joshh20 | I can't even apt-get update |
| 01:37.30 | joshh20 | Because the DNS doesn't work for that |
| 01:37.55 | carandraug | luffy2014, that's great |
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| 01:39.00 | cynicallemon | joshh20: so the headless server has no effective dns resolution? |
| 01:39.12 | joshh20 | I connect to a DNS server for that |
| 01:39.15 | luffy2014 | carandraug, quite a few of those people have laptops whose CD drive no longer works and cannot afford replacing it or buying another computer. So for those people, booting from USB is very important |
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| 01:40.13 | Okee | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.47 | cynicallemon | joshh20: ok yes but you cannot reach internet destinations from that server |
| 01:41.17 | joshh20 | I guess not, I can ping things from it, I don't understand your question I don't think |
| 01:41.59 | carandraug | luffy2014, ok. So let's end this with the conclusion that "very important" is relative. Apprently it is for you and all those people. |
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| 01:42.14 | cynicallemon | joshh20: can you ping by fqdn or just ip address? |
| 01:42.19 | joshh20 | Both |
| 01:42.47 | joshh20 | But I can't resolve .debian.net wheezy/ |
| 01:42.58 | joshh20 | But I can't resolve security.debian.net |
| 01:43.21 | luffy2014 | carandraug, is relative if you live in the so called 1st world but in the 3rd world relative is not the word i use |
| 01:43.31 | luffy2014 | carandraug, is relative if you live in the so called 1st world but in the 3rd world relative is not the word i would use |
| 01:44.25 | rryoumaa | what does this mean? i'm getting "p11-kit: invalid config filename, will be ignored in the future: /etc/pkcs11/modules/gnome-keyring-module". |
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| 01:45.57 | carandraug | luffy2014, your choice of words doesn't change the fact that it is relative. |
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| 01:46.09 | joshh20 | So does anyone know how to solve my problem or what? |
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| 01:46.56 | cynicallemon | joshh20: i cant ping security.debian.net either |
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| 01:47.36 | cynicallemon | joshh20: however i can ping security.debian.org |
| 01:48.18 | abrotman | joshh20: you mean .org ? |
| 01:48.19 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:48.36 | joshh20 | Ok yeah that worked |
| 01:48.42 | cynicallemon | :) |
| 01:48.47 | joshh20 | Ok thank you |
| 01:48.54 | cynicallemon | i love typos :) |
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| 01:49.32 | cynicallemon | joshh20: no worries |
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| 01:53.31 | abrotman | joshh20: next time, start with the real problem :) |
| 01:54.03 | joshh20 | Ok thanks, I tried that yesterday on here but got no help |
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| 01:54.11 | joshh20 | Or a couple days ago it was |
| 01:54.21 | joshh20 | Idk I think it is OVH's fault still |
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| 01:55.15 | chance2105 | Okee, You got the thing to compile, that's the biggest part of the battle. You need to finish using "make install". The only piece of advice I have for you is to verify that you've set the prefix to /usr/local so it's easily uninstallable when you're done tinkering. |
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| 01:55.44 | chance2105 | Okee, See http://www.aboutdebian.com/compile.htm and http://www.wikihow.com/Compile-a-Program-in-Linux among all kinds of things you can google. |
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| 01:56.49 | Okee | chance2105> I did the compile with the following command: apt-get build-dep okular |
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| 01:57.11 | Okee | chance2015> Shouldn't I be making a path to the kde folder where this thing is supposed to be resident? |
| 01:57.17 | Jirenzo | In my bash_profile, I run the script command to log my sessions. However, this requires me to type exit twice to get out of my user session. Is there any way around this, so I only need to exit once? |
| 01:57.41 | abrotman | Jirenzo: hit ctrl-d twice? :) |
| 01:57.49 | Okee | Can you walk me through the commands for the make install? I see them at the following URL, but some how it isn't working. i think I am doing something wrong. http://www.aboutdebian.com/compile.htm |
| 01:57.58 | Jirenzo | abrotman: Heh, first world problem, I know... |
| 01:58.17 | chance2105 | Okee, You didn't compile it then, you just installed the dependencies you need to build the version of okular that's in stable. See the preceeding links to do what you're asking. |
| 01:59.40 | Okee | chance2105> The version of Okular in stable is .14 and is too old. It won't support both signing a pdf with mouse, and also filling out a pdf. It only supports filling out a pdf. I would like to install at least version .17, which is not in the repository. So far I have been advised that there are no dependency issues. |
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| 02:05.11 | Okee | chance2105> Following the example, it says to use apt-get install libncurses5-dev What file name would I use if I was using Okular Version .20? |
| 02:05.26 | Okee | Would it be okular=.20 ??? |
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| 02:08.04 | zh1 | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/okular |
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| 02:14.12 | Okee | zh1> This is the same package version that is already in the repos. I am looking to install the version that is in debian testing, so that I may access more advanced features. |
| 02:15.14 | e-t | Hello world |
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| 02:15.49 | abrotman | imagines a channel with 6+ billion people in it .. |
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| 02:17.30 | Artemis3 | abrotman, #world? nah :P |
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| 02:20.02 | chance2105 | Okee, What you're looking for is https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_packages_from_mixed_source_of_archives . This is all the help I can offer.. I have a feeling you're better served by asking different questions. |
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| 02:21.43 | Okee | chance2105> Thanks. This is exactly what I was looking for. An updated version of Okular should be added to the repos, since gouranl and xournal have issues. Gournal's packages are old, and there are some stability issues with .xoj files. The latest Okular doesn't have this problem. |
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| 02:24.32 | dvs | Okee: If you're currently running stable, that's a very bad idea. |
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| 02:25.26 | phy1729 | abrotman: would have some serious join/part spam |
| 02:25.37 | Okee | dvs> It might be a bad idea, but the current package doesn't allow you to sign your name, and also fill out forms. This was improved starting with version .17 Current version in repo is .14, and the latest version is .20 Maybe this is something I could work on for the backports. |
| 02:26.04 | Okee | dvs> I really need a pdf editor that allows both signing as well as typing in forms, and nothing else seems to work. |
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| 02:26.30 | dvs | Okee: you need it bad enough to mess up your system? |
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| 02:27.02 | Okee | I have already consulted with others in Okular who are using it, and they said there were no dependency problems. |
| 02:27.08 | Okee | Info came from a reliable source. |
| 02:27.26 | Okee | I feel like I am running a Linux museum.......: ) |
| 02:28.23 | fragtastic | is it possible to install a meta package without a dependency? |
| 02:28.31 | fragtastic | for example gnome without empathy |
| 02:29.55 | nosklo | fragtastic: you can look at the dependency list of the meta-package and install everything but the package you want |
| 02:30.02 | nosklo | to keep out |
| 02:30.19 | nosklo | fragtastic: another idea is just install everything then remove what you don't want |
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| 02:30.33 | somiaj | fragtastic: no, if you don't have every package installed the gnome meta package has then you cannnot have the meta package installed. Why do you want to do this? |
| 02:30.40 | jmcnaught | fragtastic: or just have it installed and not use it. |
| 02:30.49 | somiaj | there are also some gnome-core type packages that may suit your needs as a meta package to bring in the core of gnome |
| 02:31.27 | fragtastic | because empathy is complete garbage, i want the meta package because if/when in the future new things are added to it i want them |
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| 02:34.30 | somiaj | fragtastic: easiest way would be just have it installed but don't use it. you can change our defaults so it isn't loaded |
| 02:34.46 | somiaj | or you could get hacky with the equivs package, but I woudln't suggest that |
| 02:35.21 | fragtastic | somiaj, that's actually just what i'm looking at |
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| 02:36.03 | abrotman | notes empathy doesn't seem to be a dependency |
| 02:36.29 | fragtastic | abrotman, it's actually a dep of gnome-core |
| 02:36.33 | fragtastic | my bad |
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| 02:53.22 | fragtastic | somiaj, equivs worked fine |
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| 03:27.18 | luffy2014 | I want to be able to boot from any usb pen drive but my bios does not support booting from usb. It seems that it can be done with grub. Found this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromUSB but it applies to very old ubuntu version not to the grub version that comes with Debian 7 |
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| 03:28.34 | abrotman | grub2 you mean? |
| 03:30.25 | abrotman | luffy2014: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot/Examples is that better? |
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| 03:34.37 | luffy2014 | abrotman, that doc is for booting iso images stored on your computer harddrive. i do not want to do that. i want to boot from any usb pen drive even if the bios does not support booting from usb |
| 03:35.06 | sebastian1 | just finished up my own vpn server. Go debian! |
| 03:35.21 | fragtastic | luffy2014, if your bios doesn't support usb booting then installing grub wont help |
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| 03:35.59 | bhutjolokia | I swapped keyboards and am now getting Ä instead of ç with '+c. I found long threads on fixes, and it seems easy enough, but is there a permanent fix? Is there a keyboard layout that behaves in this much more producting way? |
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| 03:36.32 | Shadow_7 | dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
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| 03:36.53 | luffy2014 | I want to be able to boot booting from usb even if the bios does not support booting from usb can be done with grub. Found this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromUSB but it applies to very old ubuntu version not to the grub version that comes with Debian 7 |
| 03:37.38 | fragtastic | luffy2014, your bios needs to support usb booting. grub is just a boot loader |
| 03:37.54 | nosklo | luffy2014: if your bios doesn't boot usb directly, you need a cd or floppy that transfgers the boot to usb |
| 03:37.57 | Shadow_7 | luffy2014: you can mkgrub-rescue and use the grub cli configfile to chainload |
| 03:38.18 | jpinx | nowadays when I use top I see something called net.agent owned by root sometimes taking a lot of cpu. What is it ? |
| 03:38.22 | Shadow_7 | luffy2014: as in boot a grub CD to boot the USB |
| 03:39.13 | Shadow_7 | luffy2014: you might also be able to configure you bios to pxeboot |
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| 03:39.36 | luffy2014 | booting from usb even if the bios does not support booting from usb can be done with grub. i met a guy who did that on his 2004 laptop whose bios did not support booting from usb. He used grub fro that. Lost contact with the guy ages ago |
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| 03:40.09 | Shadow_7 | I did that with my 2006 laptop |
| 03:40.43 | bhutjolokia | Shadow_7: it should be English (US, int. with dead keys), right? |
| 03:40.50 | Shadow_7 | the grub cd to boot usb part |
| 03:40.58 | fragtastic | luffy2014, i'm pretty sure he was mistaken |
| 03:41.04 | Shadow_7 | bhutjolokia: depends on your keyboard |
| 03:41.20 | luffy2014 | Shadow_7, correct me if i am wrong but i still need my laptop's CD drive to be in working condition which is *not* the case |
| 03:41.24 | jpinx | luffy2014: maybe you're saying "boot" when you mean " load the OS" from USB.? If grub resides on the HDD it can load any OS from anywhere almost |
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| 03:41.43 | bhutjolokia | Shadow_7: the layout is standard, like every other keyboard. |
| 03:42.04 | Shadow_7 | luffy2014: true... although any grub bootable option like HDD will work equaly |
| 03:42.17 | bhutjolokia | Shadow_7: but I need the ç to work. |
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| 03:42.43 | Shadow_7 | bhutjolokia: there's keymap and other things to customize keys |
| 03:43.25 | bhutjolokia | Shadow_7: well, why do things work as expected on the laptop? |
| 03:43.29 | Shadow_7 | luffy2014: in my case the HDD failed and the CDROM (barely) worked |
| 03:44.19 | Shadow_7 | luffy2014: one out of 3 tries anyway. |
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| 03:44.36 | bhutjolokia | Shadow_7: dpdk did not work... I'm really surprised! |
| 03:44.41 | luffy2014 | i do not want to edit grub in order to boot iso images stored on the hardrive. i want to edit grub so it can boot from *any* bootable usb pendrive even if the bios did not support booting from usb |
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| 03:45.22 | luffy2014 | there is a way to do that using plop boot manager but that app is not floss! |
| 03:45.28 | Shadow_7 | luffy2014: you need something that the bios CAN boot and put grub on that. If it can't boot USB, you need to suppliment it |
| 03:45.45 | Shadow_7 | plop was a boot CD last I checked |
| 03:46.02 | Shadow_7 | grub can do the same function... although not as simply |
| 03:46.12 | luffy2014 | plop can be installed on CD, floppy or your hardrive |
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| 03:46.35 | Shadow_7 | luffy2014: as can grub |
| 03:46.44 | luffy2014 | i do not have a floppy drive and do not want to use plop |
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| 03:46.55 | fragtastic | luffy2014, you already have grub installed? then you can boot from the drive |
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| 03:47.24 | Shadow_7 | plop actually fails if you have non-typical drive configurations |
| 03:47.35 | luffy2014 | fragtastic, i am running Debian 7 and yes i am using the stock grub that comes with Debian 7 |
| 03:47.38 | Shadow_7 | aka more than one |
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| 03:47.59 | fragtastic | luffy2014, okay, that's a quite a bit of a different story than what i thought you meant |
| 03:49.20 | luffy2014 | plop is functionally ok but not free as in freedom (as defined by the FSF) |
| 03:49.55 | fragtastic | luffy2014, did you say you didn't want to edit your grub config? |
| 03:50.33 | luffy2014 | well, i am a desktop newbie but if editing grub is the only way to achieve my goal, then please tell me how |
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| 03:51.08 | fragtastic | just edit your grub config to either load an iso from usb or boot from a usb install https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot/Examples |
| 03:51.08 | somiaj | if grub boots you don't need o edit it, but you'll have to use the grub console to tell it what to boot |
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| 03:51.38 | Shadow_7 | a bootable grub has a CLI mode. No configuration needed. |
| 03:51.39 | fragtastic | you can use that in the grub console without editing the config |
| 03:52.43 | Shadow_7 | a few insmod(s) for hardware support, an ls to know the grubs name of your location. And a configfile (xxx,yyyy#)/boot/grub/grub.cfg to chainload the grub on the medium and done |
| 03:52.45 | luffy2014 | i do not want to edit grub in order to boot iso images stored on the hardrive. i want to edit grub so it can boot from *any* bootable usb pendrive even if the bios did not support booting from usb |
| 03:53.43 | Shadow_7 | assuming a bootable linux with grub... update-grub reconfigures based on current availability. |
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| 03:54.04 | Shadow_7 | a second reboot the select from the updated options |
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| 03:54.52 | slbtc | Hey guys I'm having a problem. I just installed debian 7.6 full disk LVM encryption. I can't seem to be able to open/mount my external hard drive it gives me an error like this "One or more block devices are holding /dev/dm-0". Can someone help me? |
| 03:55.44 | slbtc | I can't access my saved data I have on it to transfer it with the hard drive inaccessible. |
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| 03:56.07 | luffy2014 | Shadow_7, i am running Debian 7 with the stock grub that comes with it. Are you saying that all i need to do is boot the system and once i am at the grub menu tell grub to boot from my usb pendrive? |
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| 03:56.59 | Shadow_7 | luffy2014: yes... although no a pretty one liner... |
| 03:57.13 | Shadow_7 | luffy2014: although update-grub can make the new option a menu option |
| 03:57.43 | Shadow_7 | luffy2014: but update-grub needs to take place with root perms and on an already booted linux |
| 03:59.08 | luffy2014 | i am a desktop newbie , i am at this very moment running Debian 7, what do i need to do? what files do i need to edit, what info shall i add to those files? |
| 04:00.04 | fragtastic | luffy2014, you gave a link that explains exactly what you need to do |
| 04:00.06 | fragtastic | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromUSB |
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| 04:00.35 | hanasaki | Anyone had success getting jessie kvm to run? getting this error : libvirtError: internal error: Cannot find suitable CPU model for given data |
| 04:01.14 | luffy2014 | fragtastic, that link has outdated info for a very old version of Ubuntu and old grub version. |
| 04:02.06 | fragtastic | luffy2014, have you actually tried it? |
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| 04:02.55 | luffy2014 | fragtastic, have you? |
| 04:04.03 | fragtastic | luffy2014, yes |
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| 04:04.23 | slbtc | it's important that I have access to my external hard drive. can anyone help? |
| 04:04.45 | Shadow_7 | luffy2014: bear in mind that for UEFI machines you'll likely need to disable secure boot and enable Legacy CSM to boot usb |
| 04:05.05 | fragtastic | it's 3 steps, set root(whatever your usb is), chainloader +1, and boot |
| 04:05.38 | luffy2014 | fragtastic, do you have a /boot/grub/menu.lst on your Debian 7? Are you running Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala Alpha 3? |
| 04:05.59 | Shadow_7 | fragtastic: over simplifying. you'll likely need to insmod the usb .mod for grub. And ls to see what grub calls it (this boot) |
| 04:06.09 | Shadow_7 | then it's 3 steps |
| 04:06.31 | Shadow_7 | menu.lst is grub legacy... grub2 is grub.cfg |
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| 04:07.34 | luffy2014 | Shadow_7, my laptop is from 2003 (no UEFI). Correct me if i am wrong but all UEFI laptops are modern enough to boot from usb and some even from SD cards, right? |
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| 04:08.15 | aypea[0] | sigh. how can I avoid a 30min compile in order to sign some debs I've built? I screwed up the passphrase and just need to retry the sig. :/ |
| 04:08.19 | Shadow_7 | yes and no... it's called secure boot for a reason... You have to tell it to be insecure to boot usb |
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| 04:09.30 | Shadow_7 | at least for distros other than fedora and ubuntu that paid the M$ tax and are signed with M$ keys |
| 04:09.49 | luffy2014 | Shadow_7, a 2003 supports Secure boot? |
| 04:10.10 | Shadow_7 | no... but UEFI is not a boot from USB friendly bios |
| 04:10.48 | Shadow_7 | a 2003 machine would need to boot grub (CD or HDD) since it cannot (in most cases) boot USB directly |
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| 04:11.30 | squisher | aypea[0], that should definitely be possible |
| 04:11.35 | Shadow_7 | some machines have firmware updates and other things. Not that you could find and download most of those for a machine that old at this point |
| 04:11.51 | luffy2014 | Shadow_7, you said that it would be 3 steps, can you please tell this desktop newbie, what those steps are in utmost detail? |
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| 04:12.31 | Shadow_7 | someone else said 3, I concurred with conditions |
| 04:13.09 | squisher | aypea[0], I haven't done it myself yet, but there is a binary called "debsign" |
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| 04:13.40 | slbtc | is the command something like "set root=usb device"? |
| 04:13.41 | Shadow_7 | from the grub menu... "C" to enter cli mode. insmod uhci, insmod usb, insmod part_msdos, insmod ext2, ls, configfile (usb0a,msdos2)/boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 04:13.52 | luffy2014 | plop can be installed on CD, floppy or my *hardrive* and achieve my goal but i will not *proactively* install non free apps on my Debina 7 laptop |
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| 04:14.27 | Shadow_7 | grub can do the same thing. But not as simple to do and implied booted to linux to install grub |
| 04:14.40 | aypea[0] | squisher: you rock. I was playing with dpkg-sig and failing. debsign was it. :) |
| 04:14.58 | fragtastic | luffy2014, yes, i literally just rebooted my shit to check for you it works fine |
| 04:15.21 | fragtastic | when you get to your grub menu (from your harddrive since you have it installed there already) |
| 04:15.34 | aypea[0] | crap. can't sign the deb files with it :( |
| 04:15.38 | fragtastic | root=(hdX), chainloader +1, boot |
| 04:15.44 | fragtastic | 3 commands |
| 04:15.47 | squisher | aypea[0], I'm glad it worked :) |
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| 04:16.30 | fragtastic | debian 7, grub2 so i know this works |
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| 04:17.07 | aypea[0] | squisher: so close. so terribly, wonderfully close. :) |
| 04:17.41 | fragtastic | luffy2014, and in case you are wondering you replace the X in hdX with whatever number goes to your bootable usb |
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| 04:20.58 | slbtc | how do I find out where my external hard drive is? in order to open it |
| 04:21.16 | slbtc | with root privillages |
| 04:21.37 | fragtastic | slbtc, try lsblk |
| 04:23.25 | squisher | slbtc, or if you plugged it in recently: dmesg | tail |
| 04:24.35 | hanasaki | having some issues with jessie and kvm cpu setup - works in wheezy. is this a known current instabiltiy? |
| 04:25.16 | luffy2014 | fragtastic, will reboot shortly, press C to get to enter grub cli mode and then issue root=(hdX), chainloader +1, boot but before that how can i find out the number that goes to my usb drive now that i am currently running Debian 7? |
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| 04:25.52 | slbtc | squisher, ok well 1 of them says "No Caching mode page found" the other says "Assuming drive cache: write through" |
| 04:25.53 | squisher | hanasaki, usually it helps to elaborate a bit... "issues" is not very descriptive |
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| 04:26.08 | fragtastic | luffy2014, just start typing root=(hd and press TAB |
| 04:26.14 | debonaire | what is a good software for viewing pdf files? |
| 04:26.18 | fragtastic | it will give you some options |
| 04:26.41 | squisher | slbtc, look for a line that lists all the partitions, it'll say "sdX: sdX1..." or similar (where X is b, c, or d,...) |
| 04:26.47 | luffy2014 | ok thanks |
| 04:26.53 | luffy2014 | will reboot now |
| 04:26.57 | fragtastic | luffy2014, no the X is a number |
| 04:26.58 | hanasaki | all packages are current in jessie / starting the kvm in virtmgr gives Error starting domain: internal error: Cannot find suitable CPU model for given data |
| 04:27.11 | hanasaki | the vm is a kvm64 bit |
| 04:27.14 | slbtc | squisher, yeah it says sdc, sdc1, sdc2 |
| 04:27.18 | hanasaki | the host is an i74770k |
| 04:27.29 | fragtastic | probably a 1 if you only have one internal harddrive which is usually 0 |
| 04:27.41 | squisher | slbtc, so you will want to mount one of those -- or were you looking for something else? |
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| 04:28.10 | slbtc | squisher, no that was it. not sure which one to mount though. |
| 04:28.44 | squisher | slbtc, `fdisk -l /dev/sdc` will let you see how big they are. If in doubt, just try it (unless you're doing forensic work, of course ;-) |
| 04:28.58 | slbtc | also would the command for doing so under root be "set root=sdX" and then chainloader +1? |
| 04:29.09 | slbtc | squisher, ok |
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| 04:29.55 | fragtastic | slbtc, that's for booting a drive not mounting it |
| 04:30.22 | slbtc | fragtastic: ah ok thanks. so rather chmod +x then? |
| 04:30.43 | fragtastic | er, you're trying to mount a drive? |
| 04:31.14 | slbtc | well trying to access my external hard drive |
| 04:31.37 | slbtc | squisher, the fdisk didn't work. the commandline says "command doesn't exist" |
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| 04:32.12 | fragtastic | slbtc, try lsblk to list your drives |
| 04:32.25 | fragtastic | just look for the one with the right size |
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| 04:33.17 | slbtc | ok that worked |
| 04:33.36 | slbtc | I see 2 that are linked to the hard drive sdb and sdb1 |
| 04:33.58 | fragtastic | then "sudo mount /dev/sdX /mnt/whatever" |
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| 04:35.01 | fragtastic | or if you're root just omit sudo |
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| 04:35.30 | slbtc | yep I know that much. what would I put at the end after mnt/ ? |
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| 04:36.58 | atannus | This guy has infinite patience. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/518056©çççççccccççç,,,çç |
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| 04:37.20 | atannus | crap... sorry, the correct url is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/518056 |
| 04:37.37 | fragtastic | slbtc, at the end of /mnt/ you put what directory you want it to mount to |
| 04:37.43 | fragtastic | so i might do something like |
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| 04:38.01 | atannus | He is patiently reiterating what seems like a perfectly legitimate solution to a really annoying bug. |
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| 04:38.13 | fragtastic | mkdir /mnt/external |
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| 04:38.34 | fragtastic | and mount /dev/sdb /mnt/external |
| 04:38.44 | atannus | And has had no progress over 4 years. That is, until you realize the bug is from 2008... |
| 04:38.46 | slbtc | fragtastic, I see I'll try that |
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| 04:39.21 | atannus | Some idiot changed a long lived dead-key sequence and has not fixed it since. |
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| 04:40.58 | slbtc | fragtastic, "can't find /dev/sdb/mnt/external in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" |
| 04:41.18 | fragtastic | slbtc, you need to put a space |
| 04:41.26 | fragtastic | "mount /dev/sdb /mnt/external" |
| 04:41.41 | fragtastic | otherwise something like "mount /dev/sdb" would look in fstab for where to mount it |
| 04:42.15 | slbtc | k |
| 04:42.59 | slbtc | I got another error |
| 04:43.06 | slbtc | " block device /dev/sdb is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 04:43.06 | slbtc | mount: you must specify the filesystem type" |
| 04:43.56 | fragtastic | try sdb1, i don't know how your external partitions are |
| 04:44.47 | slbtc | fragtastic, lol yep that was the answer. thanks a lot for the help |
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| 04:44.54 | fragtastic | no problem |
| 04:45.56 | slbtc | great community. one more thing I'm having a problem with if that's ok. it's in regard to debian being on a USB flashdrive and when I add a repo it says to insert CD and the USB device is inserted and it doesn't acknowledge it as the CD |
| 04:46.21 | slbtc | repo in sources.list* |
| 04:47.55 | fragtastic | not quite sure what you're asking, sorry |
| 04:48.20 | fragtastic | you installed debian on a usb drive? |
| 04:49.16 | slbtc | yes |
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| 04:49.47 | slbtc | and when I added a repo directory inside sources.list and tried to install from it it requested me to insert the CD |
| 04:50.16 | fragtastic | odd |
| 04:50.21 | slbtc | however, the USB flashdrive is the only thing that has debian 7.6 |
| 04:50.23 | slbtc | yeah |
| 04:50.24 | fragtastic | pastebin your sources.list? |
| 04:50.29 | slbtc | o.0 |
| 04:50.31 | slbtc | ok |
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| 04:55.56 | DanDare | slbtc, edit sources.list, comment the lines about CD scanning then 'apt-get update' |
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| 04:56.40 | atannus | How hard is it to create a new keyboard layout? |
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| 04:59.28 | slbtc | https://dpaste.de/YZzC |
| 04:59.35 | slbtc | sorry about that I'm multi-tasking |
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| 05:00.11 | fragtastic | slbtc, yeah like DanDare said, comment out those lines asking for a cd and you'll be good |
| 05:00.24 | fragtastic | well "lines" one line |
| 05:00.42 | slbtc | k |
| 05:01.50 | slbtc | fragtastic, the second line right? not the one that starts with "#"? |
| 05:02.27 | fragtastic | yeah, since the first one is commented out already |
| 05:02.40 | fragtastic | chances are you'll never use a cd source at all :P |
| 05:03.05 | slbtc | ok thanks again |
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| 05:10.11 | luffy2014 | i tried the grub commands i was told to enter at the grub prompt but could not boot the usb pendrive |
| 05:10.20 | n2diy | atannus, create a new layout, or switch to an already existing one? I'm currently using US/Dvorack. |
| 05:10.24 | fragtastic | luffy2014, error? |
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| 05:12.20 | luffy2014 | could not find the right hdX where X is the number for my usb pendrive |
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| 05:12.58 | n2diy | luffy2014, try "df -h" at the command line. |
| 05:12.59 | atannus | n2diy: No, I actually mean create a new one. |
| 05:13.13 | luffy2014 | hd0 is my hardrive, i tried hd1 hd2 and so on |
| 05:13.35 | atannus | n2diy: There is a long standing bug for this ç bug. |
| 05:13.36 | n2diy | atannus, ah, ok, I haven't a clue how to do that. GL. |
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| 05:13.42 | atannus | n2diy: thanks |
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| 05:14.35 | fragtastic | luffy2014, and did tab list more than one drive? |
| 05:15.23 | n2diy | atannus, you might start with researching "ascii key codes"? |
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| 05:17.03 | luffy2014 | fragtastic, hd0 tab did list partitions (ext2) but not the usb pendrive which is fat32 |
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| 05:18.22 | fragtastic | luffy2014, hd0 will never list your pen drive |
| 05:18.32 | fragtastic | because it's a different hd |
| 05:18.37 | luffy2014 | hd1 did not either |
| 05:18.55 | fragtastic | i get it |
| 05:19.17 | slbtc | the day when flash alternatives like shumway and gnash that would make flash obsolete :/ |
| 05:19.19 | fragtastic | but im asking what hd<tab> gives, so you can see what drives are actually showing up |
| 05:20.01 | luffy2014 | hd<tab> gives only 0 |
| 05:20.11 | luffy2014 | hd0 |
| 05:20.24 | fragtastic | luffy2014, then there's the problem, you only have your internal drive being accessed |
| 05:20.54 | luffy2014 | the usb pendrive boots OK on other computers |
| 05:21.25 | fragtastic | luffy2014, are you putting in the flash drive at boot time or when you get to grub? |
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| 05:22.33 | luffy2014 | i insert the flash drive before i power on the laptop |
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| 05:26.15 | luffy2014 | fragtastic, i am at the end of my tether |
| 05:26.34 | fragtastic | luffy2014, dunno what to tell you |
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| 05:27.02 | luffy2014 | a free as in freedom alternative to plop boot manager is certainly needed |
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| 05:27.32 | fragtastic | luffy2014, sounds like the problem is with your computer rather than grub |
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| 05:29.58 | luffy2014 | fragtastic, did you execute the grub commands on a very old computer like mine or on a modern computer whose bios allows usb booting? |
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| 05:31.15 | fragtastic | luffy2014, i've done this one a machine that didn't support usb booting in the past |
| 05:31.23 | fragtastic | being able to boot from the bios is irrelevant |
| 05:31.52 | fragtastic | if you understand how booting actually works you'll see what i mean |
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| 05:32.11 | luffy2014 | well, i gotta go now. thanks for your time |
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| 05:44.05 | coolthingy450 | Anything new? |
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| 05:49.52 | slbtc | sorry to be a bother again I was just wondering how would I re-access my external hard drive once I've exitted out of it? |
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| 06:04.51 | ^Neptune^ | hello everyone |
| 06:04.53 | ^Neptune^ | i have a quick question |
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| 06:05.05 | ^Neptune^ | i have a VPS and I'm not sure which OS to get |
| 06:05.08 | ^Neptune^ | debian 6 or 7? |
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| 06:05.25 | supaplex | I'd suggest 7 |
| 06:05.33 | ^Neptune^ | there's also ubuntu and centps |
| 06:05.37 | ^Neptune^ | centos* |
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| 06:05.43 | coolthingy450 | And opensuse |
| 06:05.50 | ^Neptune^ | in this list? no |
| 06:06.00 | ^Neptune^ | only ubuntu, debian, and centos |
| 06:06.24 | coolthingy450 | Okay. What about elementary, and solidxk? |
| 06:06.28 | civillian | ^Neptune^: which are you more familiar with? |
| 06:06.46 | supaplex | if you want to ask us about debian vs non debian, you probably want #linux :) |
| 06:06.47 | ^Neptune^ | civillian: actually, i'm a newcomer to VPSes and linux |
| 06:06.57 | ^Neptune^ | so I'll probably need some help |
| 06:07.17 | supaplex | !start a distro war |
| 06:07.17 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 06:08.08 | slbtc | I wouldn't trust anything from Ubuntu. Ask Richard Stallman and the users on prism-break.org. :/ |
| 06:08.09 | fragtastic | ^Neptune^, i would go for debian personally, it's what my current VPSs are |
| 06:08.19 | ^Neptune^ | alright |
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| 06:08.31 | ^Neptune^ | 6 or 7? |
| 06:09.02 | coolthingy450 | I would rather use Debian or almost anything that's not Ubuntu |
| 06:09.25 | coolthingy450 | Might as well go with 7 |
| 06:10.04 | coolthingy450 | What DE are you looking for Neptune? |
| 06:10.09 | supaplex | well, ubuntu has its merits of tollerating noobs drooling at the mouth for help, or so I hear. :P |
| 06:10.25 | supaplex | ^Neptune^: personally the latest stable debian should suffice. |
| 06:11.01 | coolthingy450 | It's not the users that pisses me off. It's the company with it's so called "innovation" |
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| 06:12.15 | coolthingy450 | But that's beside the point. |
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| 06:13.03 | coolthingy450 | Have you look into Xfce Neptune. It may be boring, But it's stable as a rock. |
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| 06:13.40 | fragtastic | coolthingy450, he's getting a VPS :P, so it'll just be CLI |
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| 06:13.50 | coolthingy450 | Oh sorry. |
| 06:14.06 | coolthingy450 | I didn't know he just going with a console |
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| 06:15.21 | supaplex | most VPS are managed by ssh (and maybe some webui) |
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| 06:16.41 | coolthingy450 | What's the VPS going to be used for? |
| 06:17.30 | coolthingy450 | For work or at home as a home server? |
| 06:19.39 | coolthingy450 | NVM |
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| 06:19.59 | coolthingy450 | Sorry for hijacking this topic. |
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| 06:21.46 | ^Neptune^ | coolthingy450: it's an online VPS hosting service |
| 06:21.53 | ^Neptune^ | it's gonna be used for running servers |
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| 06:23.35 | coolthingy450 | Okay. Thanks for the answer. I'm a little new to GNU/Linux servers |
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| 08:50.17 | rob_ | hi, is there a redhat/STIG equivelant for debian? |
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| 09:00.58 | oxka | I really like it when I install guake from the repos and it starts up automatically when I boot my system. I do not see that happening with other distros. |
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| 09:23.48 | ktosiek | Hi! If I have a 2 packages that provide the same file, can I tell dpkg to always prefer one package's version? |
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| 09:29.01 | cynicallemon | ktosiek: not sure but could be potentially damaging if you did this if it overwrites a samba conf file |
| 09:29.29 | jelly | ktosiek: the packages should Conflict so they can't get installed at the same time |
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| 09:31.48 | smartass | hi, I would like to gather feedback on this idea for a tool for Debian: http://paste.debian.net/plain/116138 |
| 09:31.52 | ktosiek | I know why this might be a bad idea, I'm just interested if there's any mechanism for this in place |
| 09:33.24 | smartass | ktosiek: funny that you ask, look at the tool I referenced, that's what I'm trying to address |
| 09:33.47 | smartass | ktosiek: but perhaps you should just use update-alternatives |
| 09:34.17 | ktosiek | would that work without package's help? |
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| 09:35.41 | multi_io | is there a Debian or Knoppix etc. USB bootable image that just automatically deletes (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx or similar) all hard drives it finds in the system? |
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| 09:36.09 | jasabella | hi |
| 09:36.10 | multi_io | that's all it must do, but it should do it automatically on bootup. |
| 09:36.57 | smartass | ktosiek: update-alternatives just manages symlinks , e.g. update-alternatives --set emacs /usr/bin/emacs.24 |
| 09:37.37 | smartass | ktosiek: but dpkg must enable such behavior, look at update-alternatives --list for supported names |
| 09:38.20 | smartass | ktosiek: sorry, --get-selections for all |
| 09:38.26 | cynicallemon | multi_io: i dont know of one but its something that would be done with a script maybe via cron |
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| 09:38.46 | arcke | if i have an AGP slot and run "lspci" should some AGP related info show up? |
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| 09:38.59 | arcke | even if no device is connected |
| 09:39.14 | multi_io | cynicallemon: yeah, but I'm really asking if anyone has done this already. |
| 09:39.30 | smartass | multi_io: you could try creating a live usb with unetbootin and then change in isolinux conf to use your script as init |
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| 09:39.55 | cynicallemon | multi_io: law of averages would say that someone has |
| 09:40.11 | phre4k | hi, Kerberos suddenly (I swear, I didn't do something apart from rebooting!) throws the following on kinit: "krb5_get_init_creds: unable to reach any KDC in realm" |
| 09:40.13 | smartass | multi_io: but look at clonezilla live, they might have something like that |
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| 09:40.48 | phre4k | how do I get it to reach ITSELF? I have an entry for localhost and FQDN in /etc/hosts |
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| 09:42.21 | SynrG | "apart from rebooting". so something did change. were there any upgrades on that system since the last reboot? |
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| 09:43.46 | bind9oje | hallo hab ein frage zu bind9 im lan in vmware:ip des servers mit 192... erreichbar > "it works" (apache), allerdings dns auflösung im browser geht nicht |
| 09:43.56 | phre4k | no, at least not for Kerberos or any related services |
| 09:44.03 | SynrG | !de |
| 09:44.04 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 09:44.18 | bind9oje | mit nslookup scheint es zu funktionieren, aber browser nicht |
| 09:44.26 | nkuttler | bind9oje: ^^ |
| 09:44.38 | bind9oje | ja ? |
| 09:44.42 | phre4k | bind9oje: du musst in #debian.de gehen ;) |
| 09:44.48 | phre4k | siehe "dpkg" |
| 09:45.58 | bind9oje | dpkg - fehler |
| 09:45.58 | dpkg | bind9oje: wish i knew |
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| 09:46.42 | bind9oje | kann mir wer helfen ? |
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| 09:48.03 | jelly | phre4k: is lo interface up and configured? |
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| 09:51.42 | nkuttler | OpenTokix: which column? |
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| 09:56.34 | phre4k | jelly: configured for 127.0.0.1 |
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| 09:57.28 | caraconan | Hi there. I'm experiencing issues Finding "CTRL + f" text in Iceweasel 30.0. Steps to reproduce: 1. Clear history+cache (CTRL + alt + supr) 2. Go to a XML page: http://www.redmine.org/issues.xml 3. CTRL + f 4. Type "issues" |
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| 09:57.54 | caraconan | Can somebody else please test it? Thanks |
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| 09:58.59 | caraconan | If I do same steps with chromium (35.0.1916.153 Debian jessie/sid (274914)) it works as expected, that is, it finds the string "issues" |
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| 09:59.41 | jelly | ,v iceweasel |
| 09:59.42 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 24.7.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 31.0-3; sid: 31.0-3; experimental: 32.0~b5-1 |
| 09:59.58 | jelly | caraconan: "try v31" :-> |
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| 10:01.42 | caraconan | jelly: actually I will do a reboot since I recently upgraded the whole system, but I was curious about this issue, it's the first time that it happens to me |
| 10:01.58 | caraconan | I'll come back if still not works as expected with v31. Thanks |
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| 10:10.10 | phre4k | solved it, another Ops admin fucked up DNS, re-entering the SRV records fixed it. |
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| 10:13.00 | mark76 | #flood |
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| 10:26.01 | milligan_ | I have an arm board here. When doing apt-get, it's automatically looking for the binary-arm folder .. but I would like to change that to binary-armel .. how do I do that ? |
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| 10:26.45 | khurram | hi all |
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| 10:27.19 | khurram | i have debian wheezy running on Rackspace infrastrucutre i want to install a GUI interface i.e. GNOME can some one please help how to do it ? |
| 10:27.22 | jelly | milligan_: can't switch from "arm" arch to "armel" in place. You'll have to create a separate armel chroot. |
| 10:28.04 | themill | jelly: can you even do armel on arm like that? |
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| 10:28.29 | jelly | if the kernel and hw supports it, sure, it's just an ABI |
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| 10:29.03 | milligan_ | I only did a very quick search themill .. and I understood it as arm/armel as being pretty much the same. My problem is that I have an old arm TS7300 board, and I need php5 etc on it .. and sarge, that has "binary-arm", doesn't contain php5 |
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| 10:29.37 | jelly | milligan_: is "forget about it and find newer platform" an option |
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| 10:30.10 | milligan_ | jelly, definitely something I'm leaning towards. Would be sad to throw away closer to 1000 boards though.. :P |
| 10:30.18 | khurram | i have debian wheezy running on Rackspace infrastrucutre i want to install a GUI interface i.e. GNOME can some one please help how to do it ? |
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| 10:30.52 | jelly | milligan_: which kernel is running there? |
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| 10:31.07 | milligan_ | jelly, 2.4.26 |
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| 10:31.30 | jelly | milligan_: not sure whether debian 5 will work on that or not |
| 10:32.02 | jelly | doesn't hurt to try doing a debootstrap of lenny armel, see what happens |
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| 10:40.10 | milligan_ | no idea what that means jelly ,haha :) I'll google it though. I have so many boards I might actually save some money even though I'd spend a couple weeks figuring this out |
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| 10:43.25 | milligan_ | jelly, do you know if there are precompiled 2gb images of embedian ? |
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| 10:46.54 | jelly | no idea at all |
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| 10:51.15 | oxka | Which one is better lenny, wheezy, sid,...? |
| 10:52.15 | sexyboy | oxka: lenny - no |
| 10:52.29 | sexyboy | oxka: deprecated and no longer supported |
| 10:52.41 | sexyboy | oxka: as for wheezy and sid - depends on your needs |
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| 10:53.23 | oxka | Sid has the latest software right so I am into that. I like to have the latest stuff. |
| 10:53.24 | kill_-9_1 | sexyboy: And Sid for security... |
| 10:54.04 | oxka | Does sid have special security features? I am into security as well. |
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| 10:54.47 | kill_-9_1 | oxka: SID HAS A LACK OF SECURITY, NOT SECURITY. |
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| 10:56.39 | beginer | Does Iceweasel support gstreamer codecs? |
| 10:57.00 | beginer | I see in about:buildconfig that is given as --disable-gstreamer |
| 10:57.28 | beginer | Is it possible to change it anyhow? Or Icewealse still does not support to use gstreamer |
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| 11:01.36 | babilen | kill_-9_1: That isn't exactly accurate. Security fixes are, naturally, uploaded to sid by nature of uploading new versions that incorporate those fixes directly. There is no need for a specific security channel as packages can be uploaded directly. |
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| 11:02.57 | kill_-9_1 | babilen: But new functionallities add security bugs most of the time . |
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| 11:03.57 | babilen | kill_-9_1: They also fix some. But sure, if you want a stable system with only explicit security fixes you should use stable. That's what its for. |
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| 11:05.19 | kill_-9_1 | I don't imagine using Sid on a production server yet. |
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| 11:05.33 | babilen | That would be ludicrous |
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| 11:06.08 | kill_-9_1 | ( someone has down a Wheezy-Sid FrankenDebian, an ugly kind of broken) |
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| 11:07.03 | sexyboy | sid is not a bad desktop/laptop operating system for people that like to mess around with the os. that's all. |
| 11:07.31 | sexyboy | and submit bug reports :D |
| 11:08.17 | sexyboy | too bad some maintainers break pretty good working software with their "pathces" |
| 11:08.25 | sexyboy | patches. |
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| 11:11.49 | sexyboy | macchanger for example - vanilla sources work flawlessly, same version but with debian patches - broken |
| 11:11.54 | sexyboy | at least some time ago |
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| 11:13.38 | kill_-9_1 | sexyboy: Normal. I still miss Debian packages for Webmin. |
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| 11:15.44 | xiqy | I'm trying to set up an FTP server on my wheezy box using proftpd. I've opened ports 20 and 21 in my firewall for incoming connections, but when I nmap it from a remote machine it shows port 20 as closed? 21 is open though. |
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| 11:16.31 | SynrG | xiqy: configured for passive by default? |
| 11:16.50 | SynrG | i don't know proftpd. (and ftp, in 2014? why?) |
| 11:16.57 | xiqy | active by default, but neither passive nor active connections work. |
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| 11:17.25 | xiqy | I need to send a file to a bunch of people whose email addresses I don't know. |
| 11:18.28 | doev | after returning from standby, often my pcs sound is not working. After rebooting it is ok again. How can I fix it, without rebooting? |
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| 11:19.05 | kill_-9_1 | doev: Which sound card ? |
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| 11:20.18 | doev | kill_-9_1, HDA ATI SB |
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| 11:20.52 | doev | must be pulseaudio |
| 11:20.58 | kill_-9_1 | doev: The full "lspci" string. |
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| 11:21.33 | doev | kill_-9_1, 00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40) |
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| 11:22.40 | sexyboy | doev: what is your kernel version? |
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| 11:23.02 | doev | sexyboy, Linux berd 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.60-1+deb7u3 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 11:23.06 | kill_-9_1 | doev: Does reloading the kernel module helps ? What kernel are you using? Does aplay works. |
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| 11:23.45 | sexyboy | doev: try the backported one or build one yourself, but first make sure your bios settings are set to make devices wake up from sleep correcly |
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| 11:24.07 | doev | I had the same problem with ubuntu 12.04 |
| 11:24.24 | doev | it has something to do with the powermanager |
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| 11:27.17 | doev | when I reboot now, the problem is gone and maybe not returns these day. |
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| 11:28.15 | doev | there are just impulses with low volume every 3-5 seconds coming from the speakers. |
| 11:28.44 | gaialabs | hi, I can't find why package ax25-apps is not available in wheezy (stable) but it is in oldstable and in testing + unstable. Can't find any information about this. |
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| 11:30.05 | SynrG | gaialabs: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/ax25-apps |
| 11:30.15 | gaialabs | SynrG: thanks |
| 11:30.50 | SynrG | so, removed back in 2012 ... |
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| 11:31.34 | SynrG | nothing in the removal message to give us a clue as to why. probably RC buggy and nobody cared to fix before the release |
| 11:31.42 | gaialabs | SynrG: indeed. didn't know the tracker. |
| 11:31.55 | SynrG | it's new |
| 11:32.26 | gaialabs | SynrG: I used these tools back in 1998 or 1999, had to do some digging to identify the change of name + the fact it disappeared from stable ;) |
| 11:32.27 | SynrG | it's the successor to packages.qa.debian.org (which is still useful for some older things the tracker doesn't know about) |
| 11:32.28 | doev | kill_-9_1, I can't reload the module, cause it is in use. |
| 11:32.30 | gaialabs | SynrG: ok. |
| 11:32.46 | SynrG | ,v ax25-apps |
| 11:32.47 | judd | Package: ax25-apps on i386 -- squeeze: 0.0.6-16.2; sid: 0.0.8-rc2+cvs20130510-3; jessie: 0.0.8-rc2+cvs20130510-3 |
| 11:32.51 | SynrG | !ssb |
| 11:32.51 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 11:32.59 | SynrG | gaialabs: maybe try this? ^^ |
| 11:33.11 | SynrG | anyway, gotta scoot. bus to work |
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| 11:34.08 | gaialabs | SynrG: see you, and thank you ! |
| 11:34.17 | gaialabs | have to go too. |
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| 11:34.53 | SynrG | np. bye |
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| 11:59.09 | damo22 | is there a channel where i can ask about free software alternatives to proprietary program "x" ? |
| 11:59.57 | bazhang | http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html <--- damo22 |
| 12:00.36 | damo22 | bazhang: thanks! |
| 12:00.51 | bazhang | np |
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| 13:17.59 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 13:17.59 | dpkg | 12:13 < dottedquad> alright thx, one problem i'm stuck in the man and can't get out |
| 13:18.12 | kor | :D |
| 13:18.31 | kor | sounds like somebody didn't man the man first. |
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| 13:22.22 | atannus | What is a good place to start if I want to create a new keyboard layout? It should be very similar to US-International with dead keys, with a few minor tweaks. |
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| 13:22.42 | atannus | I would like it to be available through dpkg. |
| 13:23.06 | atannus | And hopefully, eventually as a standard option in the installer |
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| 13:29.06 | redviper | Hi I am installing Debian 7.6 KDE which debian mirror do I choose? - debian.mirror.ac.za or debian.mirror.neology.co.za or cdn.debian.net? |
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| 13:30.01 | heurist | redviper: any are fine. |
| 13:30.36 | redviper | heurist: Which is the right one to choose or better one? |
| 13:30.41 | babilen | redviper: I'd switch to http.debian.net eventually (but that one is, AFAIR, not offered in the installer) |
| 13:31.35 | redviper | babilen, The one offered in the installer is - cdn.debian.net? |
| 13:31.47 | babilen | redviper: cdn.debian.net is a metamirror (like http.debian.net, but not as good) that will probably get you one or the other. It really doesn't matter much, but if you have any reason to believe that debian.mirror.ac.za will be faster than debian.mirror.neology.co.za for you than choose that. |
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| 13:32.19 | heurist | redviper: they *should* all be the same, you can change them later if you have issues. |
| 13:32.48 | kor | I don't know why http.debian.net keeps getting offered, when it doesn't work as well as a well-chosen local mirror |
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| 13:32.55 | babilen | It really doesn't matter for the initial installation. Once you are done you can use a /etc/apt/sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/116172 that will get you the "best" mirror automagically |
| 13:33.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell redviper -about mirrors |
| 13:33.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell redviper -about http.debian.net |
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| 13:34.55 | redviper | babilen, Ok so it does not matter as I am going to do just that once I have installed (Use : /etc/apt/sources.list) to set backports |
| 13:35.07 | kor | is there some reason for choosing http.debian.net over having specified mirrors? |
| 13:35.17 | redviper | heurist, Okay got it thanks |
| 13:35.22 | kor | i understand using it if you travel, but with a desktop computer, i don't see the point |
| 13:35.55 | SirLagz | kor: in case one mirror goes down, it will direct you to another one ? |
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| 13:36.14 | redviper | babilen, Thank you for the help. |
| 13:36.22 | Shadow_7 | sometimes ISPs suck... as in their DNS table is lacking... and other routing woes |
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| 13:37.17 | kor | i've had more problems using http.debian.net than i've ever had using a specified mirror |
| 13:37.32 | babilen | kor: mirrors might be down or become outdated, ... |
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| 13:37.52 | dontknow | why doesn't debian have https mirrors? |
| 13:37.56 | kor | the redirector does not seem to handle multiple arches |
| 13:38.38 | kor | so http.debian.net might be reccommended if you live somewhere with third-world-type connections? |
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| 13:38.48 | oxka | dontknow, it is not like any thing worth stealing is being shared over the net. |
| 13:39.10 | SirLagz | dontknow: also so that proxies like squid can cache the updates |
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| 13:39.57 | babilen | dontknow: It does |
| 13:39.57 | redviper | kor: Well then I suppose I should use http.debian.net, I live in a third world? |
| 13:40.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell dontknow -about secure apt |
| 13:40.43 | babilen | dontknow: Please realise why you don't necessarily need them and secondly take a look at apt-transport-https |
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| 13:41.09 | redviper | babilen: Do any of the three choices affect me as I live in a third world country, so is http.debian.net best? |
| 13:41.32 | Shadow_7 | I live in 3rd world telecom... aka USA |
| 13:41.51 | redviper | luck you |
| 13:42.00 | SirLagz | Shadow_7: how is USA a 3rd world telecom ? |
| 13:42.02 | redviper | lucky* |
| 13:42.16 | dontknow | babilen, ok |
| 13:43.03 | Shadow_7 | because dialup internet masquerading as broadband is all the rage |
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| 13:43.29 | SirLagz | Shadow_7: like Cable internet ? ADSL ? |
| 13:44.39 | Shadow_7 | not that unrural... wireless microwave style broadband in my case |
| 13:45.13 | redviper | babilen: Do my choices affect me due to my location or being in a third world? |
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| 13:45.35 | kor | redviper: i have no idea. i'd check how reliable your mirrors are and if you want to have a redirector instead of a direct mirror |
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| 13:46.14 | SirLagz | Shadow_7: ah, so you live in the sticks then ? |
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| 13:46.24 | Shadow_7 | probably better to check the latency. aka ping times to the mirrors |
| 13:46.41 | Shadow_7 | SirLagz: yes... but I can see the freeway at least |
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| 13:47.00 | SirLagz | Shadow_7: haha. If you lived in the sticks where I am, you wouldn't get internet :P |
| 13:47.03 | redviper | kor, Well there are only three so I think that says it all :D |
| 13:47.05 | SirLagz | or at best you'd get dialup |
| 13:47.06 | heurist | redviper: the za mirrors are not the best use something like http://ftp.us.debian.org/ instead. |
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| 13:47.29 | Shadow_7 | I was on dialup up until less than 5 years ago |
| 13:47.41 | gr8 | ok another noob problem here; I got ssh-agent starting upon login weeks ago, but I can't remember how. now everytime I open tmux, a new ssh-agent instance is started. that's not good. neither .bashrc nor .profile in my home directory contain any references to ssh-agent. |
| 13:47.42 | oxka | lol |
| 13:47.58 | SirLagz | Shadow_7: heh, fun times. |
| 13:48.00 | Shadow_7 | And verizon kept selling up broadband and sending AMR boxes to return the gear because they don't service the area |
| 13:48.09 | SirLagz | hahaha |
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| 13:48.34 | heurist | gr8: maybe look at keychain |
| 13:48.38 | redviper | heurist: I will have to do that after I have installed, I will be setting backports once I have done so. So my choice now in the installation does not matter much or do I choose .net? |
| 13:49.25 | heurist | redviper: you can change it during install, or after install, or after a few months if you have issues. don't stress about it now. |
| 13:49.26 | babilen | redviper: I don't quite follow. This has nothing to do with being in a third-world country or not. http.debian.net is simply a metamirror that selects the best mirror for you based on a number of heuristics. Please read http://http.debian.net/ |
| 13:49.44 | gr8 | heurist: what do you mean by 'look at'? |
| 13:50.01 | babilen | redviper: So, just choose *any* mirror that might be close to you now and complete the install and then use the sources.list I pasted (or not, up to you) |
| 13:50.13 | heurist | gr8: install, read manual, google, try using, ... |
| 13:50.18 | kor | redviper: you don't need many mirrors, you just need reliable mirrors. use http.debian.net if you find that yours aren't. i only have two in my country, and neither have ever been down for me. |
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| 13:50.30 | babilen | And "close" doesn't necessarily mean "geographically close" |
| 13:51.00 | gr8 | heurist: I guess that's not telling me how to stop that thing run upon tmux start ...? |
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| 13:51.31 | redviper | babilen, Yeah I know. I don't know where my internet comes from. I think India via UK? |
| 13:51.39 | heurist | gr8: keychain is a tool that handles that situation, it uses the same agent for all logins. |
| 13:51.55 | babilen | redviper: You can also choose ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/ which points to ftp.citylink.co.nz at the moment |
| 13:52.11 | babilen | redviper: Why are you considering mirrors in New Zealand then? |
| 13:52.22 | babilen | Ah, .za .. sorry |
| 13:52.35 | redviper | :D |
| 13:52.54 | babilen | redviper: Are you based in South Africa right now? |
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| 13:53.03 | gr8 | heurist: ehm well the thing is I don't need that ssh-agent any more at all, I just want to prevent it from starting up |
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| 13:53.38 | heurist | gr8: ah, then remove it from wherever you put it. |
| 13:53.52 | babilen | redviper: Either way, choose any of: debian.mirror.ac.za, debian.mirror.neology.co.za or ftp.is.co.za install that box and then use the sources.list I pasted. All will be good. |
| 13:54.00 | babilen | (assuming you are in .za right now) |
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| 13:54.08 | redviper | babilen, No, Zimbabwe. Our internet comes through South Africa I think. Well I'm not sure it comes through the surrounding countries |
| 13:54.09 | gr8 | heurist: now we get to my point, I do not remember where I put it. that's what I said. |
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| 13:54.43 | babilen | redviper: There is mirror.zol.co.zw in Zimbabwe |
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| 13:55.56 | hest | hello, is there any software packaged in debian that can generate solutions to the 2-dimensional packing problem? |
| 13:56.02 | redviper | babilen, I will use the sources.list you pasted, that mirror is slow, I would like to avoid it if I can. Besides it does not come up in the install |
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| 13:57.02 | hest | what i want is to pack a set of shapes (defined in some vector format) into a surface of fixed width and minimal length, for a textile project. can any of the cad suites do this, or maybe some octave add-on? |
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| 13:58.26 | babilen | redviper: Sure, then use one of the .za ones. I guess that you will be routed via http://www.eassy.org/ or http://seacom.mu/ eventually, but there doesn't seem to be a direct PoP |
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| 13:59.03 | redviper | babilen, Okay then, thanks for the help and information |
| 13:59.10 | babilen | Sure, have fun! |
| 13:59.21 | redviper | Always :D |
| 14:00.52 | abrotman | hest: like a tanagram solver? |
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| 14:01.41 | hest | abrotman: sort of, but i don't mind some wasted space between the pieces. there will almost certainly be some in the general case. |
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| 14:02.08 | abrotman | hest: I"m not aware of any, but seems like fun to solve :) |
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| 14:03.28 | hest | yeah... |
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| 14:06.11 | lord_rob | I think you'd better google for a program for Linux and if you're lucky (quite likely as it's the kind of things you could find in universities), compile it yourself |
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| 14:07.06 | hest | damn it, this seems to be a hard research problem. i just wanted to make a large kite on the cheap. |
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| 14:08.45 | lord_rob | well, actually your question looked interesting to me and I did a quick Google and the results were far from zero |
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| 14:55.36 | smartass | hi, I get fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied ... I am in the fuse group (confirmed by groups) |
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| 14:56.27 | smartass | the permissions on that node are crw------T |
| 14:56.37 | smartass | tried to reload the fuse module, but cannot unload it |
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| 14:57.25 | smartass | well, unloaded it with --force, but after loading it's the same |
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| 14:58.35 | heurist | smartass: those permissions are wrong on /dev/fuse |
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| 14:59.03 | StolenToast | is today debian's birthday? |
| 14:59.36 | smartass | heurist: so some script should have set them? |
| 14:59.55 | formorer | StolenToast: https://bits.debian.org/2014/08/21-birthday-debian.html |
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| 15:00.26 | StolenToast | happy birthday yaaaaay |
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| 15:00.39 | smartass | heurist: found a udev rule that should be responsible: /lib/udev/rules.d/60-fuse.rules |
| 15:01.33 | heurist | smartass: how did you install fuse? |
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| 15:02.29 | smartass | heurist: as a dep of sshfs I guess |
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| 15:04.26 | heurist | smartass: and /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules says what about fuse? specifically the mode. |
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| 15:05.00 | smartass | it sets the group at least |
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| 15:05.57 | smartass | KERNEL=="fuse", GROUP="fuse", OPTIONS+="static_node=fuse" |
| 15:06.16 | heurist | smartass: and /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules |
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| 15:07.22 | smartass | heurist: nothing about fuse in there |
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| 15:08.32 | heurist | smartass: that is not right. what version of udev? |
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| 15:11.36 | smartass | heurist: did udeavdm trigger and got a kernel panic |
| 15:12.16 | smartass | heurist: udev 175-7.2 |
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| 15:13.16 | Sevet | does anyone know why 'pdebuild --debbuildopts -b' doesn't pass -b to dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 15:14.05 | smartass | heurist: after rebooting the permissions on that file are correct |
| 15:14.35 | heurist | smartass: ok |
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| 15:32.59 | JordiGH | Sleeping keeps messing up my alsa settings. How do I tell Debian to just run alsactl init every time it wakes up? |
| 15:33.08 | JordiGH | From suspend to ram. |
| 15:33.09 | JordiGH | Or disk. |
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| 15:34.16 | somiaj | JordiGH: look under /etc/pm-utils |
| 15:34.30 | somiaj | JordiGH: sor /etc/pm/sleep.d |
| 15:34.44 | somiaj | there are rules for writing the script that will be run before/after a sleep |
| 15:35.29 | JordiGH | Hm, there's just one thing there. |
| 15:35.52 | somiaj | JordiGH: those are for user stuff, /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d contians debian package stuff |
| 15:36.01 | somiaj | JordiGH: but man pm-suspend, look for /etc/pm/sleep.d |
| 15:36.25 | somiaj | JordiGH: it tells you that you wan write hooks and put them into the directory, make them accept the arguments suspend, hibernate, resume and thaw so you can control what happens when |
| 15:36.31 | somiaj | should be a simple script for what you want |
| 15:36.35 | JordiGH | I suppose I need to write a script omgwtflol that will respond to "omgwtflol hibernate|resume|thaw|"? |
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| 15:37.45 | JordiGH | somiaj: Okay, thanks, this is helpful. |
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| 15:41.17 | tmh1999_ | Hi guys, I am running Debian jessie kernel 3.14 on a macbookpro 9.2. It works perfectly out of the box except the battery time dropped( that's alright) and a little bit hot. I check all the process and CPU load. It seems everything is ok, but the computer still seems a little bit hot. So I am wondering if there's any tweaks should I make? |
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| 15:42.10 | Cpuroast | tmh1999_: normal, you are essentially running with degraded power management |
| 15:42.14 | Sevet | tmh1999_: https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
| 15:42.16 | Cpuroast | tmh1999_: macs are odd beasts |
| 15:42.22 | Sevet | see the section on frequency scaling and cpu throttling |
| 15:42.27 | Sevet | that might make a difference |
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| 15:44.08 | tmh1999_ | I installed powerd programm. Should I install macfanctld? Is it outdated to new Jessie? I will look into that CPU frequency scaling part |
| 15:44.48 | tmh1999_ | Macs are damned for Linux, I must say so. But I have no choice but using a Mac at work. |
| 15:45.03 | Cpuroast | tmh1999_: an a VM in OSX wasn't an option? |
| 15:45.08 | Cpuroast | an=and |
| 15:45.19 | jelly | !jessie |
| 15:45.19 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>. |
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| 15:45.36 | Cpuroast | tmh1999_: that way OSX manages all power and you still get to run Linux |
| 15:45.39 | tmh1999_ | so most of the time I have to work in a VM ... That seems not a good idea. |
| 15:45.50 | Cpuroast | tmh1999_: why not? |
| 15:46.28 | Cpuroast | tmh1999_: on modern systems, you get very close to bare metal perf |
| 15:46.37 | jelly | tmh1999_, Cpuroast: anyone who wants to provide support for jessie is recommended to join #debian-next on OFTC |
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| 15:47.15 | tmh1999_ | last time I did compile my project on a VM and it was really slow |
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| 15:47.24 | tmh1999_ | never look back again |
| 15:47.38 | Cpuroast | tmh1999_: what hypervisor? |
| 15:47.42 | tmh1999_ | nothing technical here, just feeling. |
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| 15:48.01 | Cpuroast | tmh1999_: there's a reason why nearly all servers are running in VMs these days |
| 15:48.26 | tmh1999_ | I do VirtualBox |
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| 15:48.36 | Cpuroast | tmh1999_: on OSX virtual box isn't great |
| 15:48.53 | Cpuroast | tmh1999_: VMWare Fusion is what you ideally want to run |
| 15:48.55 | tmh1999_ | jelly: thanks |
| 15:49.02 | jhutchins | Is cpufreeq still a current tool for throttling? |
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| 15:49.38 | jhutchins | There's also been a laptop task/metapackage that had some usefull stuff in it. |
| 15:49.48 | Cpuroast | tmh1999_: on what system did you try compiling your project in a VM? |
| 15:49.50 | tmh1999_ | I will have a look into VMWare Fusion if following the above link does not work |
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| 15:50.12 | tmh1999_ | I use Debian wheezy |
| 15:50.36 | Cpuroast | tmh1999_: no I mean, what was the environment when you last tried a VM? |
| 15:50.51 | Cpuroast | hardware/hypervisor |
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| 15:51.47 | tmh1999_ | you mean the guest machine or the host machine? |
| 15:52.04 | Cpuroast | host machine |
| 15:52.13 | Cpuroast | hypervisor only runs on the host |
| 15:52.59 | tmh1999_ | It was a Debian wheezy. |
| 15:53.17 | Cpuroast | under virtualbox? |
| 15:54.20 | Cpuroast | and what was the host's underlying hardware, quad-core, RAM? |
| 15:55.11 | tmh1999_ | I use a lenovo computer i5 3210 4G running wheezy and a VM running ubuntu 12.04 |
| 15:55.31 | Cpuroast | dual-core and 4GB only |
| 15:55.33 | tmh1999_ | and I "feel" the compiling time is slow. |
| 15:55.39 | Cpuroast | yah I could see performance would suffer |
| 15:56.01 | Cpuroast | VM usage starts being nice with a quad-core and 8GB |
| 15:56.19 | Cpuroast | which is exactly what you have with your MacBook |
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| 15:56.33 | tmh1999_ | so what would you expect more from a Mac with a VM running wheezy or something? |
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| 15:56.57 | tmh1999_ | the same i5 + 4gb |
| 15:57.08 | Cpuroast | mac has nothing to do with it |
| 15:57.17 | Cpuroast | your underlying hardware wasn't ideal for running VMs |
| 15:57.23 | Cpuroast | that's all |
| 15:57.39 | tmh1999_ | I meant, you said that it's ok to run VM on Mac OS. |
| 15:57.49 | Cpuroast | indeed |
| 15:57.58 | tmh1999_ | ... |
| 15:58.19 | tmh1999_ | ok I will look into the part on CPU scaling you provided |
| 15:58.28 | tmh1999_ | thanks |
| 15:59.28 | Cpuroast | tmh1999_: yah, your 9,2 is the 13" with dual-core cpu |
| 15:59.42 | Cpuroast | tmh1999_: maybe running it bare-metal isn't such a bad idea then |
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| 16:17.51 | tmh1999_ | Cpuroast: As far as I understand, in cpufreq_ondemand mode, we keep the CPU idle then wake up when a job is signaled. In cpufreq_conservative mode, we keep the CPU always "ready" ( consume more power/create more heat) for jobs. Is that right? |
| 16:18.33 | tmh1999_ | So in the 1st one, the responsiveness is lower than the 2nd one ? |
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| 16:24.34 | donofrio | anyone here run passenger on apache2? |
| 16:24.49 | heurist | !tell donofrio about poll |
| 16:26.17 | donofrio | ok I'm having an issue getting the command puppet to start but do not know if sysconfig and init.d are the same in debian as it is in redhat? |
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| 16:26.38 | donofrio | it's a crontos doc I'm following changing this where needed for debian use |
| 16:26.48 | donofrio | centos I meant |
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| 16:27.15 | donofrio | like this command doesn't work "/etc/sysconfig/puppet-dashboard" |
| 16:27.48 | mtn | donofrio: you are running mint, aren't you? |
| 16:27.50 | somiaj | the sysvinit should be mostly the same, debian does have it's own custom tools like invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d as oppsed to service and I don't reconize sysconfig, I will have to check my wheezy box |
| 16:27.58 | donofrio | my bad this command "cp /var/www/html/puppet-dashboard/ext/redhat/puppet-dashboard.sysconfig /etc/sysconfig/puppet-dashboard" doesn't work |
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| 16:28.18 | mtn | he is asking the same question in the mint channel |
| 16:28.34 | donofrio | my passenger is not starting the application correctly... |
| 16:28.36 | ChrisH | donofrio: short answer: debian does not use sysconfig als RedHat/Centos does |
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| 16:29.00 | donofrio | chrisH: agreed |
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| 16:55.32 | huleo | hi guys, quick question: any cli ftp client you would recommend? |
| 16:55.41 | huleo | need just arose for the first time, normally I'm filezilla guy |
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| 16:58.44 | sungem | huleo: $which ftp |
| 16:59.03 | jhutchins | huleo: Doesn't filezilla do ftp? |
| 16:59.30 | huleo | yes it does, but I need to use something on headless server |
| 16:59.33 | huleo | so, cli only |
| 16:59.43 | formorer | mc |
| 16:59.52 | jhutchins | huleo: The standard ftp client is ftp. You may need to install it. |
| 17:00.15 | huleo | this one I know of, looking for something higher-level |
| 17:00.21 | huleo | like nice ncurses interface |
| 17:00.22 | jhutchins | huleo: I believe curl and wget will also do ftp. |
| 17:00.34 | formorer | huleo: mc |
| 17:00.35 | huleo | that's for downloads |
| 17:00.36 | huleo | mc |
| 17:00.37 | huleo | hmm |
| 17:00.41 | huleo | never used it |
| 17:00.43 | jhutchins | huleo: I doubt you'll find anything like that, but you could use a console browser on most ftp sites. |
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| 17:02.15 | LtL | huleo: theres ncftp |
| 17:02.40 | formorer | it is always useful to learn mc |
| 17:02.56 | huleo | mc is something I always delegated and delegated |
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| 17:03.27 | huleo | formorer: how fast mc is with ftp? I mean, considering it's ftp |
| 17:03.53 | formorer | round about 42. maybe 23. |
| 17:04.19 | formorer | it always is a pleasure to work with it. |
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| 17:05.49 | heurist | huleo: if you want to you can also use CurlFtpFS and then regular tools. |
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| 17:11.28 | huleo | heurist: I know that one, but it's mighty slow |
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| 17:12.36 | huleo | or whatever, that will be simpler |
| 17:12.39 | huleo | curlftpfs that is, let's see |
| 17:14.17 | huleo | err, it had to be cent os server, no aptitude... |
| 17:14.24 | huleo | yum |
| 17:14.34 | donofrio | is systemd the equal to init.d? |
| 17:15.53 | heurist | donofrio: systemd is a replacement for sysvinit, init.d is just a directory |
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| 17:20.40 | sysvalve | donofrio: systemd would be the emacs of the init managers |
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| 17:30.32 | peterrooney | sysvalve: more like the /bin/false of init managers |
| 17:31.15 | sysvalve | peterrooney: sorry, I don't get that. Care to explain the analogy? :) |
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| 17:31.26 | andi_ | Hello. I can only connect to open wlan networks not to secured wlan networks. what should i do? thank you! |
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| 17:32.06 | sysvalve | maybe you need wpa-supplicant? |
| 17:32.18 | peterrooney | andi_: /msg dpkg cross post |
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| 17:34.11 | peterrooney | sysvalve: fails quietly and utterly, without giving much notice that it's doing so. |
| 17:34.51 | sysvalve | ah okay. From what I heard it's just the reverse: it is so fucking verbose that can crash the kernel :P |
| 17:35.08 | heurist | sysvalve: language please |
| 17:35.21 | sysvalve | oops, sorry |
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| 17:39.32 | val_erie | I am using debian with apache2.4. I have virtual hosts with domain names configured. When I type the domain name in browser, I am getting this error: Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. |
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| 17:42.15 | korkman | is it possible to reset sysctl variables from a network interface to defaults? also, what use is net.ipv4.conf.all? it doesn't change values of already setup interfaces ... |
| 17:42.41 | jelly | val_erie: where did you get 2.4 from? |
| 17:42.51 | jhutchins | val_erie: That's either an error in your apache config or the wrong ownership/permissions on the DOCUMENT ROOT. |
| 17:43.05 | jelly | val_erie: or, which debian release are you using |
| 17:43.26 | jelly | jhutchins: or dns doesn't point to that machine at all |
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| 17:44.20 | val_erie | jelly, I am using jessie |
| 17:44.24 | jelly | (which is probably the second thing to check, if logs end up empty) |
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| 17:45.15 | jelly | val_erie: do you see entries in access and error log for the relevant vhost after you do a request with the browser? |
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| 17:47.54 | korkman | ah i see that for some values like forwarding "all" seems to work |
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| 17:48.12 | korkman | what I'm wondering about is rp_filter |
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| 17:48.47 | val_erie | jelly, yes I see entries for the relevant vhost. I tried to follow http://askubuntu.com/questions/362682/403-error-after-upgrading-to-apache2-4, but it does not work in debian |
| 17:49.40 | korkman | "sysctl net.ipv4.conf.all.rp_filter=1" seems broken |
| 17:50.43 | jelly | val_erie: ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (not here on freende, different server), that's the right place for jessie questions |
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| 17:58.09 | korkman | heh I think I understand now ... all sysctl ipvX conf vars that need to be set on both, interface and "all", do not trigger setting the var on interfaces when set in "all" |
| 17:58.40 | korkman | that's very, very confusing |
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| 18:06.45 | violeteagle | Hi, could someone tell me how I can run a .bin file in debian 7.6 KDE. In linux mint I simply double clicked it and it ran now here its asking me what program to use? |
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| 18:07.55 | mtn | violeteagle: probably not marked as executable |
| 18:08.01 | farid | violeteagle: Does the file have the executable flag set? Can you, perhaps, right-click -> Properties and find a way to set it as an executable? |
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| 18:13.18 | violeteagle | mtn: farid: Yes the file is marked as an executable the file is from a game (Savage2). I ran the .run file to install it which was not a problem but now when I clicked the .bin it won't run as normally as the other distros? |
| 18:13.39 | violeteagle | It asking me what program to open it with? |
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| 18:13.45 | rm_-rf_slash | violeteagle: For which program ? I recommend using apt. |
| 18:14.37 | tremon | korkman: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=123606366021995&w=2 |
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| 18:15.57 | farid | violeteagle: What happens if you open a terminal to that location (is it possible to right-click and select 'open terminal here' or something to that effect?), and type: ./yourfile.bin ? |
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| 18:16.45 | farid | And have you tried running that exact same .bin file on other distros? And if not, maybe it's not supposed to be an executable at all? |
| 18:16.47 | violeteagle | rm_-rf_slash, Its for a game which is installed, Savage 2 |
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| 18:17.38 | violeteagle | farid, I have been running it on both Ubuntu and Mint, the terminal is not running on it. ? |
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| 18:18.03 | farid | what output do you get from the terminal when trying to run it? |
| 18:18.17 | farid | and what's the output of `file' when you run: $ file thatfile.bin ? |
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| 18:22.53 | userf | i can tell u that fvwm is best window menaer |
| 18:23.22 | centrx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.35 | violeteagle | farid, Ah the file is in " Home/Savage2/savage2.bin " so how would I put that command into the terminal? |
| 18:23.37 | centrx | fvwm2 is the best |
| 18:23.48 | userf | centrx: yes fvwm2 |
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| 18:24.48 | doug_dt | Does anyone have any insight as to when squid3.4 will be included in Debian testing (Jessie)? |
| 18:25.18 | nkuttler | ,v squid3 |
| 18:25.19 | judd | Package: squid3 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 3.1.6-1.2+squeeze3; squeeze: 3.1.6-1.2+squeeze3; wheezy: 3.1.20-2.2+deb7u1; jessie: 3.3.8-1.1+b1; sid: 3.3.8-1.1+b1 |
| 18:25.30 | nkuttler | doug_dt: looks like it will take a while |
| 18:25.39 | nkuttler | ,v squid3.4 |
| 18:25.40 | judd | No package named 'squid3.4' was found in i386. |
| 18:25.45 | doug_dt | nkuttler: Nod. Thanks |
| 18:25.54 | farid | violeteagle: in your folder browser, can you right-click anywhere that isn't a file and find something that looks like it says 'open terminal window here'? and then you'd just type: ./savage2.bin |
| 18:26.09 | farid | and/or: file savage2.bin |
| 18:26.14 | farid | just to see what kind of file it is. |
| 18:27.14 | farid | and as far as fvwm2, it's alright. I'm not interested in spending my 20's learning how to configure it, though. |
| 18:27.16 | foo | I'm not sure if this is a debian thing or what? I have this cron job running: Cron <root@miles> [ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ] && [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && find /var/lib/php5/ -depth -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type f -ignore_readdir_race -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) ! -execdir fuser -s {} 2>/dev/null \; -delete - any tips on why or what? It's generating some errors and I'm not sure why it would run |
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| 18:28.00 | jhutchins | violeteagle: If it's a valid executable, you can just enter the full path of the file, ./file.bin |
| 18:28.26 | jhutchins | violeteagle: It's possible it's corrupt or the system doesn't recognize it for some reason , try file ./savage2.bin |
| 18:28.37 | jhutchins | violeteagle: That will tell you what the system thinks it is. |
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| 18:28.48 | jhutchins | farid: Sorry, lag. |
| 18:28.56 | farid | violeteagle: also, what if you right-click the .bin file and see if there's a menu-option to execute it? |
| 18:29.17 | farid | jhutchins: same here. Running quassel-core on my Raspberry Pi. Thinking it's a bad idear~ |
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| 18:32.48 | violeteagle | jhutchins, farid: It says error cannot open ./savage2.bin (No such file or directory) its not finding it. I can't open the terinal there because its telling me permission denied? KDE is different |
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| 18:33.38 | farid | violeteagle: did you run the .run file as root? |
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| 18:34.02 | farid | or wait, nvm. |
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| 18:34.28 | violeteagle | farid, No I just double clicked it. it ran on its own and well |
| 18:34.43 | violeteagle | the .bin is being a problem |
| 18:34.55 | violeteagle | I also can't run .deb's as well? |
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| 18:36.47 | farid | .debs are package files. You don't run them directly. They get installed by the OS's package manager (in Debian's case dpkg/apt). And depending on how your desktop environment is setup, opening one via the GUI might open a prompt to install the .deb file |
| 18:37.31 | farid | And if that .deb happened to be a GUI application, you should be able to find a new shortcut for it in the Applications menu. |
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| 18:38.15 | farid | (but installing random .deb files might not work out. it's best to get them from the official repos or from a 3rd-party repo you added yourself, so everything is consistent.) |
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| 18:38.38 | violeteagle | farid, Well why has KDE got to be so different, why not be just like Debian Gnome, Ubuntu. Mint. It should just simply run? |
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| 18:38.50 | violeteagle | farid, the .deb is skype |
| 18:38.59 | farid | Well, it's hard to tell since I can't see what's going on on your desktop. |
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| 18:39.42 | farid | violeteagle: so double-clicking the .deb does nothing? |
| 18:40.30 | farid | if so, then you have to install it via the command-line. which you do by, again, opening a terminal to the same location and installing it via dpkg. |
| 18:41.10 | farid | which'd go something like: sudo dpkg -i skype-whatever-blah-blah-blah.deb. And it should be noted that when passing-in filenames in the command-line, it's case-sensitive. and you can also press the Tab key to auto-complete. |
| 18:41.26 | violeteagle | farid, it opens with ark (which just displays the packages within) not run it |
| 18:41.35 | farid | so you can type in: sudo dpkg -i sky<TAB> and it'll auto-complete to the full filename |
| 18:42.05 | farid | violeteagle: Yeah, I don't think the KDE setup on Debian is setup to install .deb files. unless you can right-click it and find another option. |
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| 18:42.13 | farid | or go to Properties and change what it opens with by default. i dunno. |
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| 18:43.35 | farid | violeteagle: what kinds of stuff are you using Debian for, btw, if you don't mind me asking? |
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| 18:47.06 | violeteagle | farid, I use my Debian for everyday stuff (Home Desktop) Browsing, Graphic Design, Music and so on (multi-purpose) I like a customizable desktop which is why I set on KDE, I have move off ubuntu and mint because there buggy, debian was the next best thing. |
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| 18:48.22 | farid | violeteagle: OpenSUSE might possibly be a good fit for you. IMO, and as per many other's opinions, they have the best-setup default KDE desktop out there. |
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| 18:49.20 | farid | And more up-to-date packages. And my experience with it (13.1) has been very shiny and stable as well. Might be worth considering. |
| 18:50.41 | violeteagle | farid, The problem is I am not an advanced user, I don't know my way around Linux, Ubuntu and Mint (Debian) have been manageable and simple. I find change hard just moving here was an experience. |
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| 18:51.41 | farid | violeteagle: Absolutely nothing wrong with that, friend. :>\ |
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| 18:52.15 | farid | But I just recommend OpenSUSE 'cause it's one of the other "shiny, and user-friendly" distros out there. And one of the best-polished ones too. |
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| 18:52.26 | farid | looks around and makes sure he's in #debian and not #opensuse |
| 18:52.56 | violeteagle | farid, It sucks not knowing :D I have been trying with other programs to open the .bin, I don't think my commands are right? "~/Home/Savage2/savage2.bin |
| 18:53.21 | farid | But yeah, overall I wouldn't really use Debian as a workstation. At least if it involves general-purpose stuff and media. Wouldn't really use it as a development workstation either due to the age of some of its packages. I personally only use it for servers. |
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| 18:54.29 | farid | And I'd argue that Debian can still be frustrating for the same reasons Ubuntu and Mint might be, sometimes, because of it's "everything is magically setup for you" nature. |
| 18:54.49 | farid | is your Home directory actually capitalized? |
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| 18:55.23 | farid | just search the menus for a terminal application and type $ cd Savage2 |
| 18:55.25 | farid | $ ./savage2.bin |
| 18:56.04 | farid | cd = 'change directory', so you change the current directory to where you have Savage2 extracted |
| 18:56.04 | farid | and ./savage2.bin just tells the OS to try to run the file. |
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| 18:57.12 | kt76 | I think debian makes a great desktop ... I'm switching back after using Ubuntu and Mint for too long ... way too buggy |
| 18:58.25 | farid | kt76: for me, I just don't like dpkg/apt all that much. I prefer much simpler package-managers. |
| 18:58.59 | kt76 | ? like what? tar balls? |
| 19:00.05 | farid | kt76: Yes. Or no dependency resolution at all (Slackware). I like package managers that just keep the upstream software vanilla (have you seen the insane amount of cusotm patching Debian/Ubuntu does?), and do no configuration or automatic stuff when a package is installed. |
| 19:00.28 | jelly | to each their own |
| 19:00.33 | farid | Or let you mix-and-match packages from different places without much insanity or dependency-conflicts. |
| 19:00.44 | farid | jelly: yessums. but anyway, that's off-topic I guess. |
| 19:01.16 | farid | (fwiw, this IRC session is running from a Debian system, though.) |
| 19:01.19 | jelly | we do have an #debian-offtopic channel if you want to further espouse the benefits of slack ;-) |
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| 19:02.06 | bikeshedder | I have created some LXC containers and "lxc-ls --fancy" reports them as AUTOSTART=YES. Yet they don't start during boot time. I checked my init scripts: I'm at runlevel 5 and /etc/rc5.d/S20lxc is in place. Manually invoking "/etc/init.d/lxc start" brings up the containers fine, it just doesn't work at boot time. |
| 19:02.39 | jelly | so you're the one of three people that actually use runlevels on debian |
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| 19:03.04 | violeteagle | farid, Well that worked, it runs through the terminal. Stupid thing! :D |
| 19:03.44 | farid | jelly: farid@deb-machine~$ runlevel |
| 19:03.46 | farid | N 42 |
| 19:03.49 | farid | ;> |
| 19:04.12 | dondelelcaro | bikeshedder: does service lxc start; bring them up? is the init script actually being run? |
| 19:04.20 | bikeshedder | jelly, well, I'm not sure if those are actually used nowadays. Since debian never made the switch to systemd (or did it?) I assume it's still System V based, no? |
| 19:04.27 | dondelelcaro | bikeshedder: also, starting it at S20 seems like it's early. |
| 19:04.43 | rryoumaa | is a "quiet_error" kernel message something that can be caused by removing a block device without closing it, or does it indicate problems with the device? http://sprunge.us/ERde |
| 19:04.45 | bikeshedder | dondelelcaro, service lxc start brings them up, yes. |
| 19:05.01 | dondelelcaro | bikeshedder: do you have the appropriate dependencies listed in the initscript? |
| 19:05.28 | jelly | bikeshedder: it is. Can you confirm you're at runlevel 5 when the machine boots? |
| 19:05.30 | farid | bikeshedder: Isn't the next release of Debian slated to migrate to systemd? (systemd-tuxracerd FTW) |
| 19:06.26 | bikeshedder | dondelelcaro, it depends on $syslog and $remote_fs. I wonder why it doesn't depend on network, but that's probably already covered by $remote_fs. |
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| 19:07.21 | bikeshedder | jelly, "runlevel" reports "5" right after booting the machine |
| 19:07.53 | dondelelcaro | bikeshedder: try having it depend on $all for the time being and see if it'll work. |
| 19:08.08 | dondelelcaro | bikeshedder: is this an init script you wrote? or is it one that comes with the debian package? |
| 19:08.17 | dondelelcaro | if it came with the Debian package, ignore what I just said |
| 19:08.23 | bikeshedder | dondelelcaro, it's the one from the debian package |
| 19:08.33 | dondelelcaro | bikeshedder: ah, Ok. |
| 19:09.17 | dondelelcaro | bikeshedder: and do you see the initscript being run at boot? or does it not get run at all? |
| 19:09.29 | bikeshedder | dondelelcaro, how to check that? |
| 19:09.39 | dondelelcaro | bikeshedder: it'll have output on the console at boot |
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| 19:11.07 | bikeshedder | dondelelcaro, I removed "quiet" from the boot options already, but some scripts keep clearing the console output right when the booting is complete so I have a hard time reading any of the output. Is there a way to get rid of that screen clearing? |
| 19:11.26 | dondelelcaro | bikeshedder: you can just shift-page-up to view the scrollback buffer |
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| 19:12.15 | dondelelcaro | bikeshedder: you might also want to install bootlogd |
| 19:12.20 | bikeshedder | dondelelcaro, last time I tried it it just ended there. That console font stuff keeps trashing the scrollback buffer I think. |
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| 19:12.38 | bikeshedder | bootlogd, never heard. Awesome. Will try! |
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| 19:13.49 | bikeshedder | dondelelcaro, is there any configuration needed for bootlogd to work? |
| 19:14.26 | farid | bikeshedder: I think the only way to configure it is to believe it will do The Right Thing, as hard as you can possible believe. |
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| 19:15.06 | bikeshedder | farid, perfect. Just found that prior to wheezy there was some configuration needed, but for 7.0+ installing the package should be sufficient |
| 19:15.09 | violeteagle | farid, So now that it works in the terminal how do I get it running normally? |
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| 19:16.22 | violeteagle | Who is supervisor on this Channel? |
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| 19:17.16 | farid | violeteagle: what do you mean by "running normally"? Getting to a state where you can just double-click something to run it and/or click a shortcut icon in the menus? |
| 19:17.45 | farid | farid: I have no idea how the binary installer or whatever for that game works, but maybe it installed an application entry somewhere in KDE's menus? |
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| 19:18.41 | violeteagle | farid, There is no Icon in the menu, thats whats so Strange? |
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| 19:19.01 | bikeshedder | "Nothing has been logged yet." - it seams bootlogd requires some configuration |
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| 19:19.19 | farid | violeteagle: what happens if you search for the game's name? or logout and log back in? otherwise you can write your own script to launch it |
| 19:19.21 | farid | which I can show you how to do |
| 19:19.24 | ompaul | bikeshedder: thought we had this on oftc last evening - it is broken currently in testing iirc |
| 19:19.59 | ompaul | there is a bug logged and no doubt it will come out in the systemd wash |
| 19:20.27 | ompaul | bikeshedder: I could be completely wrong - I'm thinking of something else sorry |
| 19:20.38 | violeteagle | farid, I'm loosing faith and just might reinstall. Damn computers were not meant to be with me :D |
| 19:21.00 | bikeshedder | ompaul, /var/log/boot is empty except for this line and the timestamp of it is before the reboot so I guess it was only started after installing the package and not during boot time |
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| 19:21.11 | farid | violeteagle: Or, Linux was not made for people who have things to do. ;) |
| 19:21.34 | ompaul | bikeshedder: I note a comment about it here - https://wiki.debian.org/bootlogd |
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| 19:22.07 | farid | violeteagle: so can you go open a terminal and `cd' into the directory the .bin file is installed in again? then type ``pwd'' (no quotes, just pwd) and show me what the cmd says? |
| 19:22.15 | violeteagle | farid, Yeah true, I will go and decide but thanks for the time and help :D |
| 19:22.36 | bikeshedder | I just realized I'm already using systemd. No wonder nothing works anymore. Things used to be so damn simple. BSD init was a bit too simple, but System V init just worked. It was slow, but always managed to start my services. :-/ |
| 19:22.55 | farid | violeteagle: That, and it could just be the combination of KDE+Debian. It'd probably work correctly under a "user-friendly" distro, I think. |
| 19:23.09 | farid | bikeshedder: how's systemd wrongun' ya? |
| 19:23.10 | ompaul | bikeshedder: testing is what testing is - and you should seek out a bug and add to it - stable doesn't have these issues :) |
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| 19:23.38 | bikeshedder | ompaul, still testing contains an utterly broken LXC package which is useless in its own way. |
| 19:23.44 | bikeshedder | I mean wheezy. |
| 19:23.56 | ompaul | bikeshedder: how are you running systemd on wheezy? |
| 19:24.08 | bikeshedder | ompaul, I'm talking about the lxc package |
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| 19:25.51 | violeteagle | farid, I will look into OpenSUSE, trying to poach me from Debian heey? :D |
| 19:26.11 | farid | violeteagle: but yeah, my final word is maybe try OpenSUSE 13.1 if you want a friendly distro. And *possibly* PCLinuxOS. |
| 19:26.35 | farid | violeteagle: Nope. I actually use Fedora (former Gentoo-user-of-3-years here) these days. |
| 19:26.50 | farid | And OpenBSD. /off-topic /#debian-offtopic |
| 19:27.07 | ompaul | almost points at farid |
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| 19:28.37 | violeteagle | farid, Ah I see, This KDE of mine is fresh, would installing the Updates possible fix these problems as I only installed with the CD? |
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| 19:31.17 | farid | violeteagle: I doubt it. It just depends on how the desktop environment is setup, and it seems for some reason it doesn't want to run that .bin file by double-clicking on it. |
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| 19:33.16 | ompaul | what .bin file? |
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| 19:34.58 | farid | ompaul: he was trying to get a .bin file for a game he downloaded (Savage2, was it?). His desktop environment didn't seem to want to run it by double-clicking, and the only way to launch it was to open a terminal and ./*.bin it |
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| 19:35.19 | violeteagle | ompaul, I installed a game called Savage 2 from a .run flawlessly. When I went to run the game .bin it would not run by being double clicked. It ran in the terminal. |
| 19:36.06 | violeteagle | farid, May I Pm you about openSUSE? |
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| 19:37.34 | bikeshedder | dondelelcaro, could it be the case that bootlogd no longer works with systemd. "service bootlogd start" reports "Failed to issue method call: Unit bootlogd.service is masked." |
| 19:38.00 | ompaul | save it somewhere and create a link on the desktop to it |
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| 19:38.37 | ompaul | right click on the desktop create link to desktop and attach it in there |
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| 19:38.50 | ompaul | is it a terminal only app ... if so run it in a terminal |
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| 19:38.53 | ompaul | if not it should work |
| 19:40.15 | farid | violeteagle: sure thang, boss |
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| 19:59.47 | kn1089 | anyone know any software compatible with debian that can be used to host a web page/forum that different people on a LAN can post text to? |
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| 19:59.58 | kn1089 | that doesn't require database experience? |
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| 20:05.37 | blackjack | hello excuse me |
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| 20:06.09 | blackjack | i just wanted to ask. How to use the newever version of java |
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| 20:06.27 | rgr | which newer version of java? |
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| 20:06.52 | blackjack | coz i already installed the newest version 7, and when installed a .deb, it downloaded the version 6 instead |
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| 20:06.57 | blackjack | i wonder why it did that |
| 20:07.06 | blackjack | so when i check the version, its now 6 |
| 20:07.17 | rgr | why did you download a deb? |
| 20:07.22 | rgr | which java? |
| 20:07.24 | jelly-home | blackjack: can you show the (complete) output of that installation? |
| 20:07.31 | rgr | openjdk or oracle? |
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| 20:08.36 | rgr | if you used synaptic or apt-get etc you can configure which one is picked up by using : "sudo update-alternatives --config java" . |
| 20:08.40 | blackjack | i run it using gdebi package installer. its a chess client game. raptor |
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| 20:08.51 | blackjack | i used openjdk as it suggested |
| 20:09.15 | blackjack | i used apt-get to install the version 7 of openjdk |
| 20:09.19 | rgr | and it went and downloaded a java jre/sdk? |
| 20:09.43 | danlamanna | did you update-alternatives? |
| 20:09.46 | blackjack | but when i installed the .deb (coz it says before installing it, i should have java version 5 or newer), so i installed the .deb |
| 20:09.55 | rgr | what deb? |
| 20:10.04 | blackjack | but while installing, it said that i need to install some files. and its that version 6 of jdk it downloaded |
| 20:10.05 | rgr | for the chess game or for java? |
| 20:10.13 | blackjack | wait |
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| 20:10.20 | teraflops | hi xbmc complains about libGLEW.so.1.10 so better wait to a new release of xbmc? isaw on bugs.archlinux.org it is linked to 1.10 but current release is 1.11 |
| 20:10.37 | blackjack | http://raptor-chess-interface.googlecode.com/files/raptor-0.98u3f5FIXED.deb |
| 20:10.46 | teraflops | srry not here |
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| 20:11.14 | blackjack | thats it |
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| 20:11.28 | rgr | blackjack: thats not going to help. No one is going to install that to check your problem. Now, did that download an external Java jre/sdk? |
| 20:11.42 | blackjack | yes |
| 20:11.58 | blackjack | and now when i checked my java version, its now 1.6 |
| 20:12.01 | blackjack | openjdk |
| 20:12.11 | blackjack | i suspect it did, also coz it took a long time to download |
| 20:12.11 | rgr | then run what I told you above from the command line. |
| 20:12.20 | rgr | oh so you dont actually know. |
| 20:12.27 | rgr | sudo update-alternatives --config java |
| 20:12.33 | rgr | see whats listed |
| 20:12.53 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 20:13.01 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 20:13.01 | blackjack | ok awit |
| 20:13.01 | blackjack | wait* |
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| 20:15.02 | blackjack | http://paste.debian.net/116245/ |
| 20:15.06 | blackjack | thats the result... |
| 20:15.56 | blackjack | by the way. where would that program installed be? |
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| 20:16.23 | blackjack | also it says, i should enable the browsers java as well. java program would probably run on the web browser |
| 20:16.29 | blackjack | using java |
| 20:16.38 | blackjack | i wanted to use the version 7 instead of the one it downloaded |
| 20:16.51 | blackjack | if possible. i want to delete version 6 as well, as i do not need two versions of it |
| 20:16.58 | blackjack | hello |
| 20:17.22 | nosklo | blackjack: hi |
| 20:17.42 | blackjack | hello |
| 20:18.14 | nosklo | blackjack: seems you have java 7, it's the third option in that paste |
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| 20:18.52 | nosklo | blackjack: use 2 (enter) to set it to default |
| 20:20.02 | blackjack | nosklo, |
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| 20:20.06 | blackjack | i installed a .deb |
| 20:20.14 | blackjack | where could i find it? |
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| 20:20.24 | blackjack | which folder to look at |
| 20:20.27 | blackjack | its name is raptor |
| 20:20.35 | blackjack | the java based chess client for linux |
| 20:21.25 | blackjack | hello |
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| 20:22.24 | mtn | blackjack: you can find files in packages using synaptic or dpkg. |
| 20:22.49 | blackjack | i mean |
| 20:22.56 | blackjack | files that is already installed on my system? |
| 20:23.02 | mtn | blackjack: yes |
| 20:23.13 | blackjack | for example |
| 20:23.14 | blackjack | raptor |
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| 20:23.21 | mtn | !enter |
| 20:23.21 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 20:23.24 | blackjack | how do i look for it. i remember the command find |
| 20:23.43 | mtn | blackjack: want to use a gui or a command line? |
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| 20:24.28 | blackjack | command line |
| 20:24.35 | nosklo | blackjack: dpkg -L raptor |
| 20:24.42 | blackjack | whats the gui to anyway? |
| 20:24.45 | mtn | and there you go! |
| 20:25.04 | blackjack | it says its not installed |
| 20:25.12 | blackjack | by the way, the raptor thing was not installed using apt-get ok? |
| 20:25.25 | blackjack | i downloaded it directly on the google code |
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| 20:25.55 | blackjack | and opened it using GDebi Package installer |
| 20:26.18 | mtn | blackjack: if it was a .deb, dpkg will find it. have to have the correct package name, though |
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| 20:26.53 | mtn | blackjack: if you use synaptic, you can search a little easier in my opinion |
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| 20:27.07 | blackjack | synaptic -L raptor ? |
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| 20:27.25 | mtn | blackjack: no, open synaptic, then search. it is a gui, not command line |
| 20:27.27 | blackjack | file name was raptor-0.98u3f5FIXED.deb |
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| 20:29.06 | MikeWorth | Hi, I'm facing a problem with character sets on a vfat volume. I am trying to delete some files with special characters in their names but get IO errors every time. |
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| 20:29.25 | blackjack | i only had libraptor2 |
| 20:29.29 | blackjack | seems like not the game |
| 20:29.30 | blackjack | :/ |
| 20:29.38 | mtn | blackjack: by the way, you could have gotten raptor using the debian repos anyway. |
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| 20:32.30 | jhutchins | blackjack: dpkg -l | grep -i rapt |
| 20:34.11 | blackjack | ok i got it |
| 20:34.16 | blackjack | its on usr/bin |
| 20:34.32 | blackjack | am actually playing right now :/ |
| 20:34.38 | blackjack | hmmm weird though |
| 20:34.55 | blackjack | mtn really? |
| 20:35.03 | blackjack | i searched but i did not see it at all |
| 20:35.11 | mtn | blackjack: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=raptor |
| 20:35.30 | mtn | blackjack: looks like kraptor is what you would want. |
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| 20:37.43 | blackjack | what is kraptor |
| 20:37.52 | blackjack | its not on the list of fics recommendedd chess clients |
| 20:37.53 | blackjack | soo.. |
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| 20:38.24 | mtn | blackjack: oh, yes, I see. chess not other type of game. |
| 20:38.55 | jelly-home | blackjack: a build of "raptor" for kde? apt-cache show packagename |
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| 20:39.18 | jelly-home | ,i kraptor |
| 20:39.19 | judd | Package kraptor (games, optional) in wheezy/i386: Classic shoot 'em up scroller game. Version: 0.0.20040403-6+b1; Size: 60.7k; Installed: 178k; Homepage: http://kraptor.sourceforge.net/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/kraptor |
| 20:39.31 | jelly-home | doesn't look like a fics client |
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| 20:42.28 | blackjack | but i really thought this one has south graph |
| 20:42.31 | blackjack | it has none |
| 20:42.58 | acz32 | jelly-home: do you have any experience with ikiwiki since you suggested it? i created a wiki but the URL it gave me isn't working in my browser |
| 20:43.01 | blackjack | i really hope babaschess would be good running on wine |
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| 20:43.28 | jelly-home | acz32: yes, but as a user, I didn't set it up |
| 20:43.58 | acz32 | ok no problem |
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| 20:45.17 | jelly-home | acz32: it's supposed to be simple to set up, read README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/ikiwiki if you haven't already |
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| 20:50.27 | acz32 | jelly-home: it does look really easy on this page but these instructions gave me a URL that isn't opening in my browser https://ikiwiki.info/setup/#index2h2 |
| 20:51.12 | jelly-home | acz32: which web server are you using? |
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| 20:52.59 | acz32 | oh, then that's the problem. i assumed it bundled some kind of server and hosted the wiki already |
| 20:53.11 | acz32 | i have only used python's simplehttpserver |
| 20:53.22 | jelly-home | toosimple |
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| 20:54.03 | jelly-home | acz32: http://example.com/~joey/ url layout assumes something like apache with mod_userdir enabled |
| 20:54.36 | acz32 | oh |
| 20:55.35 | acz32 | well i will read up on apache and install it. so once i get it installed i would give it ~/wiki as the directory to serve? |
| 20:55.45 | acz32 | if that's what i called my wiki |
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| 20:57.01 | jelly-home | acz32: if you set up apache just for that, you can configure it to use any directory for the wiki |
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| 20:58.01 | acz32 | ok, do i have to use something like git? in the setup page it makes me choose a revision control system, but i don't have any of that and wanted to just keep files local |
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| 20:59.38 | jelly-home | acz32: well, a vcs is a natural backend for wikis. tracking history and old revisions of pages is one of major features of a wiki |
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| 21:00.46 | acz32 | maybe this isn't what i need then. i just want a simple page i can host on my LAN that people can submit comments to so we can share ideas, like a communal notepad |
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| 21:27.08 | rgr | blackjack: use synaptic. |
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| 21:30.28 | darsie | hi |
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| 21:36.00 | darsie | Why does 'aptitude -t wheezy-backports install xbmc' not install 2:13.1~rc1+dfsg1-1~bpo70+1 ? Currently installet is 4:12.3.1-dmo1 . http://paste.debian.net/116257/ |
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| 21:36.52 | nkuttler | ,v xbmc |
| 21:36.53 | judd | Package: xbmc on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 10.0-0.5+1; wheezy: 2:11.0~git20120510.82388d5-1; wheezy-backports: 2:13.1~rc1+dfsg1-1~bpo70+1; sid: 2:13.1~rc1+dfsg1-1; jessie: 2:13.1~rc1+dfsg1-1; wheezy-multimedia: 4:12.3.1-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 4:13.2~rc1-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 4:13.2-dmo1 |
| 21:37.29 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 21:37.30 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 21:38.04 | jelly-home | darsie: can you follow the procedure above and show all the request info, please |
| 21:38.05 | nkuttler | darsie: doesn't look like you're running stable, but yeah |
| 21:38.19 | darsie | jelly-home: working on it ... |
| 21:38.56 | darsie | nkuttler: No? cat /etc/debian_version is 7.6 |
| 21:39.04 | jelly-home | seem to be just missing the two apt-cache policy commands |
| 21:39.06 | nkuttler | do the !bat thing |
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| 21:40.06 | nkuttler | er.. |
| 21:40.08 | jelly-home | darsie: you already have the dmo package with epoch 4: installed, that beats the bpo70 package which only has epoch 2: |
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| 21:40.14 | nkuttler | right |
| 21:40.40 | sebastian1 | I have a machine that, when powered on, sometimes doesn't boot. It sits at a blank screen until powered off and on again. Will this cause problems for data on HDD? |
| 21:40.47 | darsie | ahh, ic. So I have to remove/purge that first. |
| 21:41.21 | jelly-home | right |
| 21:41.28 | nkuttler | !why not dmm |
| 21:41.28 | dpkg | The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" this was mostly not true and for Debian 7 "Wheezy" this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>. |
| 21:41.30 | nkuttler | also that |
| 21:41.46 | jelly-home | yeah, but that's a bit biased |
| 21:42.09 | jelly-home | dmm is broken in some ways, but still does a few things better than debian |
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| 21:42.42 | darsie | I have acroread from dmm. |
| 21:42.59 | jelly-home | that won't be a problem for xbmc, I guess |
| 21:43.13 | darsie | Yeah, but that's why I have it in my sources.list. |
| 21:43.52 | darsie | maybe I should ... ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>. |
| 21:44.39 | darsie | should I still post !bat? |
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| 21:45.35 | jelly-home | you can still do that, but the likely cause is dmm having a "newer" version |
| 21:45.48 | darsie | Yep, now I get 2.13.1. |
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| 21:46.16 | jelly-home | darsie: ask the bot about the rest in private, eg. /msg dpkg dmm pinning |
| 21:46.23 | darsie | ok |
| 21:46.24 | darsie | thx |
| 21:48.24 | darsie | Hmm, the new xbmc from wheezy-backporst says: /usr/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin: relocation error: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libavfilter.so.4: symbol sws_isSupportedEndiannessConversion, version LIBSWSCALE_2 not defined in file libswscale.so.2 with link time reference |
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| 21:51.33 | sebastian1 | darsie: I came in late. Did you install xbmc from deb-multimedia.org? and it's giving you trouble? |
| 21:52.07 | jelly-home | darsie: that sounds like "mixing dmo with debian" problems |
| 21:52.11 | darsie | sebastian1: I did before. Now I have it from wheezy-backports. Hopefully all the relevant packages. |
| 21:52.39 | jelly-home | darsie: dpkg -S /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libavfilter.so.4 and try to downgrade/reinstall that package from debian |
| 21:53.23 | sebastian1 | darsie: I did the same thing before, screwed up my audio. But it was an easy fix just removing what was installed. |
| 21:53.35 | jelly-home | ,v libavfilter4:i386 |
| 21:53.36 | judd | No package named 'libavfilter4:i386' was found in i386. |
| 21:53.39 | jelly-home | ,v libavfilter4 |
| 21:53.40 | judd | Package: libavfilter4 on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 6:10.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 6:10.3-1; sid: 6:10.4-1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.3.2-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:2.3.3-dmo1 |
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| 21:54.08 | darsie | jelly: That's libavfilter4:i386 6:10.1-1~bpo70+1. Seems to be from debian. |
| 21:54.16 | jelly-home | huh |
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| 21:55.07 | jelly-home | could be something else that xbmc links to, and also there a slight possibility the package 6:10.1-1~bpo70+1 is actually buggy |
| 21:55.34 | jelly-home | I'd bet on a bad mix of debian and dmo stuff |
| 21:56.04 | darsie | 0.001 btc ;) |
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| 22:00.24 | darsie | Unfortunately I can no longer see, which packages were pulled from dmo (shell scroll buffer too short). I whish aptitude wolud keep a log of its output. |
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| 22:01.16 | kill_-9_1 | darsie: See /var/log/apt |
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| 22:02.01 | jmcnaught | darsie: or for aptitude /var/log/aptitude |
| 22:02.32 | jelly-home | darsie: use screen or tmux if your scroll buffer is limited for some reason |
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| 22:02.57 | darsie | I now set 10,000 lines instead of 1000 lines. |
| 22:03.16 | jelly-home | suddently xterm eating 100MB |
| 22:03.16 | darsie | I use konsole |
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| 22:03.33 | kill_-9_1 | darsie: But it's a bit too late. |
| 22:03.46 | darsie | Yeah, but there'll be a next time ... |
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| 22:03.57 | darsie | looking at the logs now. |
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| 22:04.30 | jelly-home | you can always run the dmm remove thing again? |
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| 22:05.01 | darsie | I haven't actually done that. Just aptitude purge xbmc. |
| 22:05.07 | kill_-9_1 | jelly-home: If you want to screw things, yes.=. |
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| 22:05.27 | jelly-home | kill_-9_1: why do you think a second run would mess things up more |
| 22:05.54 | jmcnaught | darsie: aptitude search "?installed?not(?origin(debian))" <--- should give you a list of packages not from Debian |
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| 22:07.02 | jelly-home | kill_-9_1: the factoid uses removal with dpkg and doesn't break aptitude's notion of what ought and ought not be installed |
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| 22:07.39 | darsie | http://paste.debian.net/116261/ aptitude search "?installed?not(?origin(debian))" |
| 22:08.59 | kill_-9_1 | darsie: Fixable. |
| 22:09.02 | jelly-home | darsie: all those libaac and libx264 might be used in a video player like xbmc |
| 22:10.00 | kill_-9_1 | jelly-home: x264 is used. |
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| 22:22.15 | a_person | can I instruct a live system from USB to really halt and power off the machine without requiring the user to press enter? |
| 22:22.33 | darsie | shutdown -h now? |
| 22:22.52 | a_person | darsie: no, not really :) it requires pressing enter |
| 22:23.11 | CodePulsar | there's some hook attached to th shutdown "event" |
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| 22:23.28 | CodePulsar | a_person: indeed, I've seen that too |
| 22:23.35 | Artemis3 | a_person, pressing the power buttons works tho :P |
| 22:23.49 | jmcnaught | a_person: what is the prompt when it asks to press enter? I don't ever use Debian live, but you can also install normal Debian to a USB stick if you want |
| 22:24.30 | a_person | jmcnaught: it says something like remove the usb key and press enter to power off or so |
| 22:24.48 | Artemis3 | a_person, btw adding the shutdown button to xfce and pushing it kinda insta turns off the machine without prompts :3 |
| 22:24.58 | a_person | jmcnaught: I don't want to have an installed system in this case |
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| 22:25.16 | Artemis3 | i wonder why it does that... kinda scary |
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| 22:25.21 | bertrik | a_person: are you emulating a keyboard using a USB device? |
| 22:25.37 | a_person | bertrik: no |
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| 22:26.09 | Artemis3 | a_person, anyway with xfce yes you can have a scary power off button :3 |
| 22:26.15 | a_person | I need a shutdown and real poweroff/halt command from the command line |
| 22:27.04 | jmcnaught | a_person: well if you installed Debian to a USB stick you'd get a regular Debian system that doesn't ask you to press enter at shutdown, and it would boot from the stick just like a live disk |
| 22:27.08 | Artemis3 | poweroff without enter from cli sounds kinda not possible, push the actual power button a single time for soft off i guess |
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| 22:28.05 | a_person | I want to be able to shutdown on a live system like I would from a normal installation :-) |
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| 22:28.33 | Artemis3 | a_person, ah i know! sysrq reisuo <--- see? no enter? :3 |
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| 22:28.58 | Artemis3 | (technically just sysrq o but that would be evil) |
| 22:29.14 | a_person | Artemis3: the pressing of enter to execute the shutdown command is alright, of course :-) |
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| 22:29.38 | Artemis3 | a_person, in that case shutdown -h now as suggested :) |
| 22:30.18 | darsie | a_person: tried ctrl-alt-del? |
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| 22:30.19 | a_person | Artemis3: it requires to press enter again after the system is shutdown (in order to poweroff/halt the system) |
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| 22:30.25 | Artemis3 | maybe halt or init 0/6 forgot which was which |
| 22:30.58 | Artemis3 | a_person, ah, the remove cd before continue message you never see? :3 |
| 22:31.57 | darsie | a_person: How about copy/pasting a newline? |
| 22:32.10 | a_person | Why can't a live system just shut down like any regular Debian installation? |
| 22:32.11 | Artemis3 | a_person, well with sysrq o i can assure you it will be powered off very quickly and very meanly |
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| 22:32.42 | darsie | a_person: What's wrong with pressing enter? |
| 22:32.45 | a_person | Artemis3: I said I want the system to shut down before the powering off :-) |
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| 22:33.04 | Artemis3 | a_person, then add the other keys: reisu... |
| 22:33.13 | Artemis3 | so it syncs, yadda |
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| 22:33.49 | jelly-home | a_person: you might go ask the actual developers, #debian-live over on OFTC |
| 22:33.53 | jelly-home | !live |
| 22:33.53 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 22:35.02 | teraflops | a_person: you think that's a bug? report, you think it is a posssible improvement to fix that behaviour? do a request |
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| 22:35.54 | a_person | jelly-home: that's a point |
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| 22:36.35 | jelly-home | and be patient, smaller channel, different timezones |
| 22:36.36 | jmcnaught | a_person: the live documentation also has chapters on customization |
| 22:36.46 | william1 | I am using Debian 8 with Gnome. When my mouse touches the bottom of the screen a bar that says No messages slides up. I click the gear to check the settings to get rid of it but nothing comes up. Also in the top right corner there is wifi power and a down arrow. I click the down arrow and the wrench and screwdriver and nothing comes up. |
| 22:37.10 | william1 | hmm I thought I joined debian-next |
| 22:37.23 | a_person | Artemis3: considering "then add the other keys: reisu...", I said I want to be able to plan the shutting down in advance (like shutdown -h 5m |
| 22:37.29 | jelly-home | william1: wrong channel AND wrong network! |
| 22:37.31 | william1 | #debian-next Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited |
| 22:37.40 | jelly-home | william1: irc.oftc.net |
| 22:37.41 | william1 | oh ok |
| 22:38.03 | a_person | Artemis3: shutdown -h 5 I meant |
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| 22:51.56 | fragtastic | anyone familiar with equivs or deb control files? |
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| 22:53.31 | abrotman | fragtastic: please just ask |
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| 22:54.01 | fragtastic | looking through the docs i see that i should be able to do |
| 22:54.08 | fragtastic | Package: something-dummy |
| 22:54.12 | fragtastic | Provides: something |
| 22:54.57 | fragtastic | yet when i install the package-dummy created and then install a different package that depends on package something |
| 22:55.10 | fragtastic | it wants to remove something-dummy and replace it with something |
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| 22:56.20 | abrotman | using which package manager? |
| 22:56.45 | fragtastic | apt |
| 22:57.15 | skiz | fragtastic, iirc - see replaces, conflicts, and this page: https://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package |
| 22:57.20 | abrotman | apt isn't a package manager |
| 22:57.32 | abrotman | apt-get? aptitude? cupt? dselect? |
| 22:57.39 | fragtastic | apt-get |
| 22:57.41 | fragtastic | sorry |
| 22:57.50 | fragtastic | skiz, i did add Conflicts and Replaces |
| 22:58.06 | abrotman | did you apt-get update after installing? (not sure if tha tmatters( |
| 22:58.20 | fragtastic | abrotman, no |
| 22:58.49 | fragtastic | dpkg -i package-dummy |
| 22:58.49 | dpkg | package package-dummy is already installed |
| 22:59.23 | fragtastic | then tried to apt-get install something that depends on the non dummy package |
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| 23:00.35 | acz32 | apt isn't a package manager? |
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| 23:04.32 | abrotman | acz32: it is, not widely used (admittedly, neither is cupt) |
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| 23:07.36 | fragtastic | abrotman, last i remember apt is installed by default on every debian machine |
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| 23:09.50 | fragtastic | and apt-get is a subset of apt so i was correct in saying i use apt as my package manager |
| 23:10.51 | fragtastic | as for aptitude it's a frontend for apt |
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| 23:12.03 | fragtastic | which is now far from my original question |
| 23:13.25 | fragtastic | so if anyone can give some info on what the problem im having with replacing a package with a dummy it would be great |
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| 23:14.19 | fragtastic | such that the dummy package is named like package-dummy so rather than just package |
| 23:14.41 | fragtastic | so i can tell the difference between it and the legitimate package |
| 23:15.32 | ruukasu | a package requres libpulse0 >= 1:0.99.1, but I have 5.0-6 installed |
| 23:15.41 | ruukasu | is ~5 not greater than ~1? |
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| 23:19.39 | Asifys | hello, I'm having trouble installing a resolution fix. I have the source code for it, but I have no idea how to compile it. make/make install doesn't work. is there a way I can compile it myself? |
| 23:19.54 | Asifys | the program's called 915resolution |
| 23:20.37 | bad_duck | Hi, I want to install debian in BIOS mode (instead of UEFI) like said here : "As a workaround for now, try switching off UEFI and installing using Legacy BIOS or Fallback mode instead." ( ttps://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ ) |
| 23:20.57 | bad_duck | I cannot find how to do this.. |
| 23:21.36 | bad_duck | How can I install debian using legacy bios ? (amd64 netinstall) |
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| 23:26.37 | jhutchins | bad_duck: Your computer must have an option to run in BIOS mode. |
| 23:27.10 | jhutchins | !efi |
| 23:27.10 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
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| 23:29.56 | bad_duck | jhutchins: ok, I think I have to install "rEFIt" or a soft like that.. (I'm running a MacBook) |
| 23:30.10 | jhutchins | bad_duck: Grub can handle efi. |
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| 23:30.48 | jhutchins | bad_duck: Are you planning to dual-boot? |
| 23:31.00 | bad_duck | jhutchins: yes but I have some problem with my config (mostly with graphic card) |
| 23:32.18 | darsie | jelly-home: You won 0.001 btc :) |
| 23:32.29 | bad_duck | I cannot get debian stable working : black screen, only fbdev driver without 3D acceleration is working (black sreen with nvidia drivers also) |
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| 23:32.47 | bad_duck | testing is booting, but suspend isn't working |
| 23:33.31 | bad_duck | (have to set "nomeset" in grub to boot..) |
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| 23:34.03 | bad_duck | I read that there is some difference when booting in bios, I could tried that |
| 23:34.13 | bad_duck | jhutchins> bad_duck: Are you planning to dual-boot? <-- nope, I only need linux |
| 23:34.49 | bad_duck | currently I'm running LMDE, but I have some random freeze when using external monitor :/ |
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| 23:35.50 | jhutchins | !macbook |
| 23:35.50 | dpkg | macbook is probably http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook . For the Pro model, ask me about <macbookpro>. For the Air series, ask me about <macbookair>. See also <laptop>. |
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| 23:36.16 | jhutchins | bad_duck: From what I've seen the few problems that exist can be worked around pretty easily. |
| 23:36.47 | bad_duck | jhutchins: works with my old macbook, but not with this one.. |
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| 23:37.50 | bad_duck | and I tried all that's stuff (and the "MacBookPro" page on the wiki also) |
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| 23:37.53 | william1 | Debian-next looks dead so I thought I'd ask in here if anyone knows how to disable the bottom message bar in Gnome or if anyone knows why the settings won't come up as well as the settings not coming up in the top right hand corener of Gnome. I click and nothing happens. |
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| 23:38.37 | shellclear | anybody knows how i can configure two monitor with different resolutions in clone mode at wheezy? for example: LVDS1 1366x768 HDMI1 1920x1080 i'm use kde ,debian wheezy 7.6 |
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| 23:42.42 | enkidu | hello. What happened to kde 4.13? it mostly disapperared from mirrors |
| 23:43.42 | centrx | enkidu, Do you have a Debian package name you are referring to? |
| 23:44.30 | centrx | enkidu, What version of Debian mayhaps be you using? |
| 23:45.06 | darsie | dpkg says about dmm pinning: "[...]If you also use backports, you should pin them higher than dmm." Is this good: http://paste.debian.net/116265/ |
| 23:45.06 | dpkg | darsie: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 23:46.38 | rachaelza | hi, does anyone know a program like phpmyadmin but for the desktop? |
| 23:46.57 | enkidu | centrx: it removed kernel, kde and other "unused" packages without even asking first (asked only for i386 ones) |
| 23:47.39 | centrx | enkidu, That sounds entirely different than what you said originally about "it mostly disappeared from mirrors" |
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| 23:48.27 | enkidu | yeah, I tried to reinstall things... but couldnt find ie, kde 4.13 on ftp.se.debian.org |
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| 23:48.42 | enkidu | but it is unstable, so... everything can happen |
| 23:49.27 | rachaelza | ok, does anyone know where i can go ask then? |
| 23:50.32 | centrx | enkidu, Yeah, you are going to need to provide more information. Also for testing/unstable, check out #debian-next on OFTC. |
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| 23:50.49 | centrx | rachaelza, You can use phpmyadmin for the desktop |
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| 23:51.16 | centrx | rachaelza, Installing the basic webserver with apt-get is simple, and I think that might be all you need to do with phpmyadmin, access a localhost port |
| 23:51.45 | rachaelza | ok, but i mean more like a kde or gnome program? |
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| 23:52.29 | centrx | rachaelza, There is a desktop app for mysql hold on |
| 23:52.31 | rachaelza | because i have a list of servers and i want to save them all and not have to change stuff in phpmyadmin |
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| 23:53.30 | rachaelza | a guy at work said workbench or something, but i checked in apt and i dont have that |
| 23:53.33 | centrx | rachaelza, It's called "MySQL Workbench" now, apt-get install mysql-workbench |
| 23:53.48 | centrx | rachaelza, Used to be called MySQL Query Browser, but yeah workbench, that's it |
| 23:54.05 | rachaelza | thank you |
| 23:55.13 | rachaelza | it looks like it was made with python, judging by all the python stuff its getting |
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| 23:55.44 | centrx | rachaelza, Must be |
| 23:56.01 | centrx | rachaelza, FYI it used to be really buggy but that was a few years ago I think it's much better now |
| 23:56.11 | centrx | rachaelza, (Also obligatory use Postgres instead of MySQL) |
| 23:56.36 | rachaelza | what do you mean? |
| 23:57.02 | centrx | rachaelza, I'm recommending Postgresql over MySQL generally. MySQL has several issues |
| 23:57.15 | centrx | rachaelza, But obviously if you have an existing installation of something it's a big deal to change it |
| 23:57.46 | AivarasK | Hey guys. I am having problem with proliant g4. hp-snmp-agents depends on hp-health; however: Package hp-health is not configured yet. Any ideas? :/ |
| 23:57.50 | rachaelza | yes, i just work on projects, i dont design things yet |
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| 23:58.17 | centrx | rachaelza, One cool feature that MySQL is "GROUP_CONCAT" |
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| 23:58.24 | rachaelza | i have never had any problems with mysql though? |
| 23:58.52 | centrx | rachaelza, If you are using a well-maintained data warehouse you probably won't encounter any |
| 23:59.05 | centrx | rachaelza, but it does have it's issues |