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| 00:01.36 | themill | they're idiots then. Removing the lock file is the worst thing you could do here. The lock exists for a reason.... and your latest error is the sort of reason we're talking about. |
| 00:02.13 | jmcnaught | weka: only one application can work on the package system at a time, so if you have synaptic/apper/aptitude open, you need to close it before using apt-get and dpkg commands. |
| 00:03.11 | weka | I do not have synaptic open because I just tried to open it... |
| 00:03.30 | weka | gave me the dpkg was interrupted you must run dpkg --config -a error |
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| 00:20.25 | onitaL | !paste |
| 00:20.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 00:21.13 | onitaL | Hi. If I'm getting http://paste.debian.net/114737/ it means that that harddrive has bricked, correct? |
| 00:22.40 | dvs | makes funeral arrangements for onitaL's hard drive |
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| 00:22.50 | onitaL | Thanks |
| 00:23.13 | onitaL | Would you pass me a heavy hammer, pls? |
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| 00:29.43 | aixv | when i log into XFCE + Openbox, KeepassX starts up for some reason. it's not in my openbox autostart file, nor my /etc/xdg/autostart file, nor in my xfce session startup applications.. where's a good place to look to find a log or something like it for this behavior? |
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| 01:17.06 | guampa | i'm reading a convo in ##linux where it's affirmed that after systemd becomes the default, sysvinit may stop being 100% functional with every package in debian. is this true? |
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| 01:19.13 | centrx | guampa, That sounds preposterous even if it weren't the plan to support both |
| 01:19.47 | guampa | excuse my limited vocab, what does preposterous mean? |
| 01:19.56 | centrx | extremely unlikely |
| 01:20.06 | guampa | whew, well that's good news then |
| 01:20.21 | zinx | so ridiculous you wouldn't even expect anyone to state it |
| 01:21.11 | heurist_ | guampa: *100%* functional and *every* package are very strict terms, nothing is 100% functional with everything. |
| 01:21.18 | guampa | i kinda recalled that it would be functional, didn't followed the discussions up until the very end though, it was a bit tiring+ |
| 01:21.37 | centrx | not 100% functional vs 100% not functional |
| 01:22.18 | guampa | heurist: well, yes i'm thinking at most t the same level as the main init |
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| 01:23.06 | guampa | i don't expect systemd for the matter to be 100% etc |
| 01:23.19 | guampa | but thanks guys this is reassuring |
| 01:23.25 | heurist_ | guampa: things are better tested on whatever is "main" so edge cases will stop working as well with other options. |
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| 01:24.46 | guampa | i expect some things could have less use, less problem reporting, less everything yes |
| 01:25.32 | onitaL | I got bit by #755581 after I moved to systemd, tho : ( |
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| 01:28.14 | centrx | Will systemd destroy planet Earth? |
| 01:28.36 | heurist_ | centrx: that sounds like a hardware issue. |
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| 01:30.16 | guampa | systemd is the antiinit |
| 01:31.29 | abrotman | centrx: please don't |
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| 01:34.18 | sexyboy | woot, let this ban hammer chill a bit |
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| 01:41.08 | fluffywolf2 | Just installed debian at someone's house, ran into one of those so-idiotic-a-new-user-would-install-ubuntu bugs... d-i attempts to install grub onto the usb thumbdrive used for the install?! And it took me a few tries to realize that selecting "no" to the box asking if you want to install grub, really means "manually select device". |
| 01:42.01 | fluffywolf2 | filing a bug report appears to require working email, which I don't have set up here, so I'll hope there's some d-i types here... |
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| 01:42.31 | aypea[0] | fluffy: yeah. that's a bit of a UI screw-up. - and you don't have a valid email address to file a bug with? |
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| 01:43.19 | fluffywolf2 | d-i absolutely shouldn't try instaling grub onto the device it's busy copying files from, while ignoring the drive you just partitioned and installed the system to. heh. fresh download of mini.iso as of day before yesterday. |
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| 01:43.57 | captain_haddock | I see that squeeze-backports has git 1.7.10. I've added the repo to my sources.list. But I'm still unable to upgrade the 1.7.2.5 on my system as the available upgrade does not appear to register. |
| 01:43.59 | fluffywolf2 | and saying "no, don't install" shouldn't be how you get the enter device screen. heh. |
| 01:44.01 | captain_haddock | Any idea why? |
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| 01:44.26 | abrotman | captain_haddock: what command did you run? |
| 01:44.39 | captain_haddock | (This was after running an apt-get update btw) |
| 01:44.41 | themill | captain_haddock: perhaps you can pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy git; apt-cache policy" for us? (also, you realise that squeeze is no longer a supported release, don't you?) |
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| 01:45.15 | fluffywolf2 | I guess I'll deal with email and a bug report when I get back home... |
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| 01:46.15 | themill | fluffywolf2: what did you use to prepare the usb stick? how did you copy the installer onto the usb device? |
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| 01:47.06 | fluffywolf2 | cp mini.iso /dev/sdwhateveritwas |
| 01:47.51 | dvs | fluffywolf2: We need to know exactly what that "whateveritwas" is |
| 01:47.57 | fluffywolf2 | the install went without a hitch other than d-i attempting to put grub onto the usb drive instead of the hard drive. manually entering the right device name worked correctly. |
| 01:48.26 | fluffywolf2 | d, I think it was. what device name it got assigned at home has no relevance whatsoever to what d-i saw it as on this computer at someone else's house. |
| 01:48.49 | themill | was it really mini.iso? |
| 01:48.54 | fluffywolf2 | yes. |
| 01:49.21 | fluffywolf2 | at home I have a cell modem that does 200kbit/set and $11/GB, so I was going to download as little as possible there! |
| 01:49.32 | fluffywolf2 | /sec |
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| 01:51.19 | captain_haddock | themill: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8012877/ |
| 01:51.23 | captain_haddock | abrotman: ^ |
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| 01:51.48 | captain_haddock | (FWIW, I added -sloppy to see if that was the issue.) |
| 01:51.57 | themill | captain_haddock: and apt-get -t squeeze-backports install git didn't work? |
| 01:52.14 | dvs | !tell captain_haddock about ftp.debian.org |
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| 01:53.48 | captain_haddock | themill: It did. Thanks :) |
| 01:53.49 | kpap | i just so myself walk into my house and he/I went to my garden |
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| 01:54.00 | onitaL | o.o |
| 01:54.03 | captain_haddock | themill: What was the issue? |
| 01:54.21 | themill | captain_haddock: I can only guess you omitted the -t squeeze-backports part |
| 01:54.56 | fluffywolf2 | brb, synaptic done installing, should have an actual IRC client now. |
| 01:55.10 | captain_haddock | themill: I didn't realise that I needed to specify it. Is the explicit switch needed because of the "-backports"? |
| 01:55.15 | themill | http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/#index3h2 |
| 01:55.39 | captain_haddock | Oh I See. |
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| 01:56.34 | fluffywolf2 | yay, much better. no more answering pings by hand. |
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| 03:13.02 | hseg | Hi. I'm trying to set up vsftpd to allow anonymous upload/download access to a single folder in my filesystem. These files should be owned by www-data |
| 03:13.22 | hseg | Is there any sane way of doing this seemingly trivial thing/ |
| 03:13.25 | hseg | ? |
| 03:14.45 | centrx | hseg, Isn't it just some configuration option in your ftp server? |
| 03:15.12 | centrx | hseg, Did you search through the man page for the daemon or the configuration file? |
| 03:15.23 | centrx | hseg, * or online |
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| 03:16.41 | break19 | Ok, so, I just replaced my freebsd with debian on a 2005 laptop. Under FreeBSD, the minimum CPU frequency was 100mhz and it would idle there quite often.. however, under linux, it appears to only go down to 800mhz (it's a 1.7Ghz PentiumM) |
| 03:17.16 | centrx | break19, Take a look at cpufrequtils and its options |
| 03:17.43 | break19 | centrx: cpufreq-info shows this: hardware limits: 800 MHz - 1.73 GHz -- but thats simply untrue :( |
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| 03:19.22 | centrx | break19, I don't know, maybe it's a limit in the Linux kernel with the CPU architecture; or maybe it's just a misnamed field in cpufreq-info |
| 03:20.14 | hseg | I searched, but I get errors regarding the fact that the directory is writeable (it's mode 775), among others. |
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| 03:21.25 | themill | break19: without looking up spec sheets for your processor... But I'd believe 800-1700 over 100-1700. |
| 03:22.49 | hseg | My config is here: http://sprunge.us/NKIP |
| 03:23.59 | break19 | themill: believe what you like. |
| 03:24.26 | rryoumaa | what does pulseaudio do for me? can i just purge it and somehow use alsa instead? what will stop working? |
| 03:24.26 | themill | break19: well you could tell us what the actual processor model number is |
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| 03:38.59 | nezZario | Meh |
| 03:39.10 | nezZario | Anyone get flash working on wheezy/chromium ? |
| 03:39.13 | hseg | vsftpd won't accept the settings I gave it: http://sprunge.us/NKIP it either complains that: OOPS: priv_sock_get_cmd or OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable root inside chroot() |
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| 03:39.22 | nezZario | I installed the nonfree pkg but it's not showing up in the plugins |
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| 03:40.32 | LeandroLuiz | nezZario, try pepperflashplugin.. |
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| 03:42.24 | hseg | Why does this happen? |
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| 03:52.37 | nezZario | LeandroLuiz: oddly enough I can't find the pkg listed in the wiki |
| 03:52.40 | nezZario | but still looking |
| 03:53.01 | LeandroLuiz | https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer |
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| 03:56.06 | JacotI | while file in debian contains the system proxy settings? |
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| 03:56.12 | JacotI | which |
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| 03:58.49 | _unreal_ | wow thats wierd ok so on my debian box I've proved that I have gotten 3D working, my ati x1050 drivers are loaded and open arena works fine, yet steam gaming system is crying still about opengl issues? |
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| 04:11.15 | hseg | Why is it that vsftpd won't accept the settings I gave it: http://sprunge.us/NKIP - it either complains that: OOPS: priv_sock_get_cmd or OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable root inside chroot() |
| 04:11.15 | hseg | ? |
| 04:11.45 | hseg | For the record, the directory I'm pointing it to is mode 775, group-owned by ftp. |
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| 04:26.23 | hseg | Please? This is driving me insane. |
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| 04:27.35 | max____ | [root@debian: ~] # apt-get install libssl-dev |
| 04:27.35 | max____ | Reading package lists... |
| 04:27.35 | max____ | Building dependency tree... |
| 04:27.35 | max____ | Reading state information... |
| 04:27.35 | max____ | libssl-dev is already the newest version. |
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| 04:32.03 | themill | dpkg: tell max____ about paste |
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| 04:34.54 | max____ | Sorry about my paste. Execuse me. My apt-get looks like broken and i got no idea how to fix it ;( |
| 04:34.58 | max____ | paste: http://paste.debian.net/114759/ |
| 04:36.26 | themill | max____: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy python-minimal python python-apt python-pkg-resources python-setuptools libc6 apt dpkg; apt-cache policy" |
| 04:36.53 | max____ | ok, wait a sec |
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| 04:38.19 | max____ | themill, http://paste.debian.net/114761/ |
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| 04:39.10 | max____ | wait, i missed something |
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| 04:41.08 | max____ | themill, Here is full output of given command |
| 04:41.10 | max____ | http://paste.debian.net/114762/ |
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| 04:42.09 | themill | max____: so what does "apt-get -f install" what to do? |
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| 04:43.44 | max____ | It looks like this http://paste.debian.net/114763/ |
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| 04:47.20 | max____ | default python2.6 was removed by someone |
| 04:47.41 | themill | max____: so what's the output of "apt-cache policy python2.6" there? |
| 04:47.46 | max____ | # cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:47.47 | max____ | 6.0.4 |
| 04:48.32 | max____ | Here: http://paste.debian.net/114764/ |
| 04:48.47 | hseg | Why is it that vsftpd won't accept the settings I gave it: http://sprunge.us/NKIP - it either complains that: OOPS: priv_sock_get_cmd or OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable root inside chroot() |
| 04:48.47 | hseg | ? |
| 04:48.47 | hseg | For the record, the directory I'm pointing it to is mode 775, group-owned by ftp. |
| 04:48.47 | hseg | Please? This is driving me insane. |
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| 04:49.13 | themill | max____: ok... so the python2.6 package is installed but somehow damaged? /usr/bin/python2.6 is missing? |
| 04:49.22 | hseg | Why is it that vsftpd won't accept the settings I gave it: http://sprunge.us/NKIP - it either complains that: OOPS: priv_sock_get_cmd or OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable root inside chroot() |
| 04:49.53 | max____ | yes, themill |
| 04:50.12 | themill | max____: can you try "aptitude reinstall python2.6" then? |
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| 04:50.33 | max____ | ok, i try it now |
| 04:50.56 | max____ | [root@debian: ~] # aptitude reinstall python2.6 |
| 04:50.56 | max____ | aptitude: symbol lookup error: aptitude: undefined symbol: sqlite3_db_mutex |
| 04:51.21 | themill | might be python2.6-minimal actually. |
| 04:51.33 | max____ | ok |
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| 04:51.37 | themill | max____: ick. What has happened to that box? |
| 04:51.58 | max____ | some error with python2.6 |
| 04:52.13 | themill | getting errors like that from aptitude is more than a problem with python2.6 |
| 04:52.15 | max____ | # cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:52.16 | max____ | 6.0.4 |
| 04:52.38 | max____ | okay - - |
| 04:52.58 | themill | max____: ok... so try "apt-get install --reinstall python2.6" |
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| 04:54.54 | max____ | It failed. http://paste.debian.net/114765/ |
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| 04:56.23 | themill | gah I meant "apt-get install --reinstall python2.6-minimal" |
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| 04:56.42 | LowTekk | evening |
| 04:56.55 | LowTekk | anybody still awake? |
| 04:56.58 | themill | no |
| 04:57.06 | LowTekk | lol |
| 04:57.18 | LowTekk | how are ya this evening, mill? |
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| 04:58.11 | LowTekk | lol |
| 04:58.26 | LowTekk | DividedByZero is a cool name. reminds me of the 486 days |
| 04:58.40 | max____ | themill, it succeeded. |
| 04:58.40 | max____ | [root@debian: ~] # /usr/bin/python -V |
| 04:58.40 | max____ | Python 2.6.6 |
| 04:58.49 | max____ | what's next ;) |
| 04:59.07 | themill | max____: ok, so see if "apt-get -f install" can now complete |
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| 04:59.20 | max____ | install python ? |
| 04:59.30 | themill | max____: no, just "apt-get -f install" |
| 04:59.36 | max____ | ok |
| 04:59.47 | max____ | no error threw out. |
| 04:59.56 | Noobian | is it possible or recomended to downgrade my kernel version? |
| 05:00.13 | LowTekk | "apt-get -f install" just cleans up the mess left by a borked software install, max |
| 05:00.31 | Noobian | erm, rather why is this not working? http://pastebin.com/2GQnyMLT |
| 05:00.32 | themill | dpkg: tell max____ about debsums |
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| 05:00.48 | max____ | okay, thanks for reminding me. LowTekk |
| 05:00.53 | themill | max____: I'd suggest installing the debsums package and then running it over that installation to find out what else might be borked |
| 05:01.25 | LowTekk | hey max, not to be rude or anything, but did you add 'sudo' to that 'apt-get -f install' command? |
| 05:01.37 | themill | !sudosmite LowTekk |
| 05:01.37 | dpkg | takes a lump of 2x4 to LowTekk and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!" |
| 05:01.44 | max____ | i got your mesg, themill |
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| 05:02.27 | LowTekk | never heard of that version of sudo, but to be fair, I know just enough of the commandline to get by most of the time |
| 05:02.28 | themill | max____: you might also like to upgrade that box to a supported release of debian some time soon.... (or at the very least, update that one with the relevant security updates for squeeze and squeeze-lts) |
| 05:02.29 | LowTekk | ;p |
| 05:03.46 | max____ | thanks for your suggestion, but the system is not mine :( |
| 05:03.55 | max____ | It owned by company.. |
| 05:04.17 | max____ | themill, |
| 05:04.18 | max____ | [root@debian: ~] # aptitude install debsums; |
| 05:04.19 | max____ | aptitude: symbol lookup error: aptitude: undefined symbol: sqlite3_db_mutex |
| 05:04.40 | themill | max____: so "apt-get install debsums" |
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| 05:05.05 | LowTekk | <-----will be quiet and try to learn something |
| 05:05.05 | max____ | apt-get worked. |
| 05:05.08 | themill | and you should pester the people who are responsible for it to do something about it. It's running known-vulnerable versions of packages there. |
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| 05:06.03 | max____ | okay, at least i should tell them. thanks, themill |
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| 05:07.52 | LowTekk | themill, I got a question. why is it that Debian and derivatives seem to have everything but the kitchen sink as dependencies? that's something that's always bugged me |
| 05:08.24 | themill | Packages have the dependencies they require. |
| 05:09.01 | max____ | themill, command `debsums -a -s` result: http://paste.debian.net/114767/ |
| 05:09.03 | LowTekk | in other distros, the dependencies aren't nearly as bulky |
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| 05:10.08 | max____ | i think some binaries are replaced by developer. |
| 05:10.09 | aypea[0] | LowTekk: it could be that that is due to requires being pulled in by default. |
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| 05:10.11 | themill | max____: so the things in /etc are hopefully changes that the local admin has made. It looks like someone has compiled a local version of subversion there or something icky. |
| 05:10.22 | aypea[0] | LowTekk: I turn that off as soon as I can. :/ |
| 05:10.29 | max____ | yep. |
| 05:10.50 | LowTekk | how is that done, aypea? |
| 05:11.02 | themill | dpkg: tell LowTekk about apt recommends |
| 05:11.16 | aypea[0] | thanks :) |
| 05:11.41 | themill | but note that "Recommend" is a misnomer. The relationship is much stronger than the English word implies. |
| 05:11.56 | max____ | themill, but apptitue is broken afterall. |
| 05:12.32 | aypea[0] | themill: yeah. i gave up on it when installing ssh pulled in X components and having one case of downloading 500MB of "dependencies" vs around 20MB without recommends on one install. |
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| 05:13.43 | themill | aypea[0]: One bad case does not justify that action. |
| 05:14.12 | Th34rchitekt | max___: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/2011/01/msg00119.html |
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| 05:14.27 | themill | And you'd love to know how much of our time is wasted by people who immediately turn off recommends because they think it's the l33t thing to do and then can't work out why ssh X forwarding isn't working |
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| 05:15.26 | themill | dpkg: tell max____ about not available |
| 05:15.34 | themill | max____: the output of that rather long command would be handy to see |
| 05:15.45 | LowTekk | perhaps I should qualify my earlier complaint by stating that I learned GNU/Linux on computers bult from trashpicked parts. had to save every meg of disk space |
| 05:15.55 | LowTekk | kinda got ingrained in me |
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| 05:16.24 | max____ | okay, thanks themill |
| 05:16.26 | aypea[0] | themill: two and they're pretty indicative. I wish I had the option of turning it off during the install. even if it's in the expert install. |
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| 05:17.44 | max____ | But themill [root@debian: ~] # aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 05:17.44 | max____ | aptitude: symbol lookup error: aptitude: undefined symbol: sqlite3_db_mutex |
| 05:17.49 | LowTekk | now my lappy has a 64gig drive and I'm still irritated when the system pulls down nearly a gig of crap just so I can play Kpatience |
| 05:18.00 | LowTekk | err... 640 |
| 05:19.04 | max____ | sorry, i've missed your link for me. Th34rchitekt |
| 05:19.05 | themill | duh. |
| 05:19.42 | max____ | and thanks, Th34rchitekt |
| 05:19.47 | aypea[0] | LowTekk: I get 212MB and I don't have KDE installed. |
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| 05:20.45 | LowTekk | last time I did it I got like 930megs |
| 05:20.50 | hseg | How do I fix: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable root inside chroot() |
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| 05:22.02 | aypea[0] | LowTekk: is recommends off for you, yet? if so then you must lack a lot of other components. |
| 05:22.43 | themill | max____: let's try max____: let's try: dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}' | grep status |
| 05:23.06 | LowTekk | just turned it off, aypea. kpat dropped down 155megs of dependencies |
| 05:23.43 | aypea[0] | LowTekk: there you go. check the recommends line and see if there's anything you think you might need. if so, add it manually. if not, let it go. |
| 05:23.55 | LowTekk | understandably, this tweak shouldn't be used until AFTER one's machine is properly updated and configured |
| 05:24.13 | LowTekk | did it via apt-get |
| 05:24.23 | LowTekk | for kpat, there's really no need |
| 05:24.38 | max____ | themill, http://paste.debian.net/114773/ |
| 05:25.33 | LowTekk | just a few i386 packages, but I'm running mostly 64bit |
| 05:26.11 | max____ | with https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/2011/01/msg00119.html, aptitude seems fixed. |
| 05:26.23 | max____ | themill, |
| 05:26.35 | LowTekk | guess I'm not that hardcore, but I can't stand aptitude |
| 05:26.41 | LowTekk | give me synaptic any day |
| 05:26.45 | themill | max____: egads. what a mess. |
| 05:26.48 | LowTekk | or just regular apt-get |
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| 05:27.39 | max____ | definitely. |
| 05:27.42 | LowTekk | ALL HAIL the mighty Guake terminal! |
| 05:27.45 | themill | max____: so some of those are security updates that have not been applied -- and you've got others in squeeze/updates and squeeze-lts that you've not even got in your sources.list at this stage. |
| 05:28.18 | themill | and bonus points for having some lenny packages there too |
| 05:28.23 | max____ | you suggest i do 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'? |
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| 05:28.36 | max____ | ok, i think i should do it. |
| 05:28.48 | themill | max____: well, that's what the box needs. You said it wasn't yours to make upgrade decisions though |
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| 05:29.22 | max____ | ok, update is processing. |
| 05:30.05 | max____ | so what problem of mine do you think? about apt-get, aptitude things |
| 05:30.07 | max____ | themill, |
| 05:30.08 | LowTekk | kpat never ran so good |
| 05:30.45 | LowTekk | think I'll keep SolydX this time |
| 05:30.47 | themill | max____: that would normally be a mismatch of library and aptitude but neither is listed in that last output. |
| 05:31.20 | max____ | oh |
| 05:32.02 | max____ | it looks complicated, but it was finally fixed by you. |
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| 05:32.58 | max____ | i don't know if the os missed default python binary file. |
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| 05:37.38 | LowTekk | themill: I've avoided pure debian over the years over its reputation for breakage during updates. have you had issues in the past year or two? |
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| 05:38.22 | aypea[0] | LowTekk: I've not had upgrade issues since I started on either potato or sarge. |
| 05:38.47 | themill | LowTekk: that is one thing that debian does not have a reputation for |
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| 05:39.06 | LowTekk | aypea[0]: do you run stable or testing? |
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| 05:39.40 | aypea[0] | LowTekk: stable on 99% of boxes. on 1 or 2 I eventually hit testing near the tail-end of its cycle. |
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| 05:41.03 | LowTekk | with this little mod to apt, I could have a lot of fun tweaking it |
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| 05:51.59 | LowTekk | think I could get into this |
| 05:52.15 | t4nk402 | Hi guys, has KDE 5 plasma 2 reached any of the repos yet? |
| 05:56.32 | LowTekk | is diggin' Plasma 5 |
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| 06:33.04 | schmodd | good morning - my jessie install is not caching my "tewi" bdf font even though i activated bitmap support via sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
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| 06:34.17 | Swervz | Hi how ho I make a .deb out of tar.gz |
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| 06:40.37 | Th34rchitekt | use alien |
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| 06:40.52 | Th34rchitekt | aptitude install alien |
| 06:41.03 | Th34rchitekt | alien -d file.tar.gz |
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| 07:22.06 | Abhijit | !pxe |
| 07:22.06 | dpkg | Pre-boot eXecution Environment (PXE) is a network boot protocol. A <TFTP> server with tsize support (such as tftpd-hpa, atftpd, dnsmasq) is required for PXE. See also <pxelinux>, <netboot>, <ipxe>. |
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| 08:35.30 | sandman13 | why /var/log/messages.1 is taking up so much disk space? http://paste.debian.net/114791/ |
| 08:35.45 | sandman13 | is it normal? |
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| 08:37.17 | shellox | hi, does mod_evasive in debian's apache config use some config by default? |
| 08:37.38 | shellox | I've installed libapache2-mod-evasive |
| 08:38.21 | peetaur2 | sandman13: probably if logrotate has "delaycompress" set for messages |
| 08:38.33 | shellox | in mods-enabled i just see mod-evasive.load , but no mod-evasive.conf |
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| 08:39.08 | sandman13 | peetaur2: I am confused |
| 08:39.30 | peetaur2 | sandman13: less /etc/logrotate.d/syslog |
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| 08:40.48 | sandman13 | peetaur2: there is no syslog but there is rsyslog |
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| 08:40.54 | sandman13 | peetaur2: let me paste the output |
| 08:41.08 | peetaur2 | sandman13: for example, openSUSE doesn't use that option, so doesn't have that problem. But Ubuntu 12.04 does. http://bpaste.net/show/WstVOUeROmdU3RpxfU3f/ |
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| 08:41.37 | peetaur2 | (and for some reason openSUSE is using xz instead of gz ... but I don't know which config option affects that) |
| 08:42.12 | peetaur2 | (ah, it's "compresscmd /usr/bin/xz" in logrotate.conf) |
| 08:42.13 | jelly | sandman13: have you looked at the contents of the file and figured out what generated most of the log lines? |
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| 08:43.09 | sandman13 | jelly: I have tried |
| 08:43.44 | sandman13 | vi takes long time to load, let me try with less |
| 08:43.51 | peetaur2 | sandman13: oh and also compare the config for openSUSE and Ubuntu and see that openSUSE does it based on size, and Ubuntu has it set to daily for "syslog" and weekly for the rest (messages, etc.). So maybe you would prefer a size limit rather than weekly... |
| 08:44.25 | peetaur2 | sandman13: hit ctrl+c when vi says "Counting line numbers and searching for other irrelevant things to waste time" and then it should work right away |
| 08:44.49 | Abhijit | which things to place in /tftpboot for pxe boot of debian dvd? i placed initrd.gz found in install.amd but i canf find pxelinux.0 and kernel and where to put the packages? not for netboot. |
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| 08:45.58 | Agiofws | is there a way to find out what encoding a pdf file is using? |
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| 08:47.12 | sandman13 | peetaur2: the file named messages.1 contains the logs from August 3 to August 10 (1 week) |
| 08:47.22 | sandman13 | peetaur2: shall I paste it? |
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| 08:48.01 | peetaur2 | sandman13: a 2G file? no thanks :) |
| 08:48.06 | peetaur2 | sandman13: just customize your logrotate |
| 08:48.09 | Agiofws | is truetype a utf-8 font? |
| 08:48.28 | peetaur2 | Agiofws: truetype just means it is rendered with geometry instead of pixel scaling |
| 08:48.40 | sandman13 | peetaur2: does rotate 7 mean 7 days? |
| 08:48.55 | peetaur2 | sandman13: means 7 files, and then the other stuff says how many files per size/time |
| 08:49.07 | peetaur2 | so for messages, it says weekly, so that would be 7 weeks |
| 08:49.19 | Agiofws | i have a pdf odoc that displays ok in a pdf reader but when i open it in draw it displays gibberish something to do with the encoding |
| 08:53.09 | sandman13 | peetaur2: Correct me if I am wrong. Since /var/log/sylog has "daily" in its config, it logs daily activities but others have "weekly" in their config so they log activities on weekly basis. In my case changing daily to weekly solves the problem? |
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| 08:54.13 | peetaur2 | sandman13: no... it will make the file larger, and I think it is already weekly. |
| 08:54.34 | sandman13 | peetaur2: this is my config: http://paste.debian.net/114794/ |
| 08:54.48 | peetaur2 | sandman13: I haven't seen your config, but if you assume it's like my Ubuntu 12.04 example, your "syslog" is daily and "messages" is weekly, and you seemed to confirm that with "August 3 to August 10 (1 week)" |
| 08:55.44 | sandman13 | peetaur2: yeah it is same |
| 08:55.53 | peetaur2 | sandman13: so then it is weekly, 4 files, compressed, and delayed compress |
| 08:56.17 | Agiofws | can someone explain to me why when i copy paste text from a pdf into libre the etxt into libre is gibberish? |
| 08:56.40 | peetaur2 | sandman13: so perhaps you would prefer more files daily instead, so only 1/7th as much is delayed (and delay is not necessarily under your control... if the daemon can't close the file, it can't compress it yet, so depends on daemon) |
| 08:57.03 | peetaur2 | Agiofws: dunno but try copying it to a plain text editor also ... which might strip some funny metadata |
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| 08:57.18 | peetaur2 | Agiofws: or use a paste special feature to strip it all, which libreoffice should have |
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| 08:58.30 | sandman13 | peetaur2: means I can't do anything but wait until it compresses the logs |
| 08:58.31 | sandman13 | ? |
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| 08:59.23 | peetaur2 | sandman13: means you probably can't remove "delaycompress", but you can make that log smaller that is delayed by changing from 4 weeks of files into 4*7 days of files |
| 08:59.45 | peetaur2 | or change to 2 weeks, or use a remote logging server, etc. etc. |
| 09:00.16 | sandman13 | peetaur2: where can I find more info about this? seems interesting |
| 09:00.53 | peetaur2 | sandman13: and as others suggested, also figure out which log in particular is eating your space and either stop it, or configure it separately to go to another file. eg. I hate that the firewall goes to syslog/messages by default on Debian, so I configure it like openSUSE to go to /var/log/firewall and then can configure that differently |
| 09:01.12 | peetaur2 | sandman13: man logrotate |
| 09:01.28 | Agiofws | special paste feature has no option |
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| 09:02.05 | peetaur2 | Agiofws: it has an option "unformatted text" |
| 09:02.14 | sandman13 | peetaur2: does "Aug 10 00:39:33 ghost kernel:" mean kernel is responsible? |
| 09:02.51 | peetaur2 | ghost is the hostname? then yes, but firewall is also kernel |
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| 09:03.32 | Agiofws | yes but it just pasted jibberish |
| 09:04.03 | sandman13 | peetaur2: yes ghost is hostname but I don't think I have firewall installed atleast I don't remember installing such packages |
| 09:04.12 | Agiofws | http://i.imgur.com/QmoqIjB.jpg |
| 09:04.22 | peetaur2 | sandman13: well just show me more of that line, or figure out what it is based on the rest of the line |
| 09:04.48 | sandman13 | peetaur2: let me paste first 5 and last 5 lines |
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| 09:07.16 | sandman13 | peetaur2: here: http://paste.debian.net/114799/ |
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| 09:07.54 | peetaur2 | sandman13: need more ... you should skim around in it and find what you would estimate to be the most frequent |
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| 09:12.16 | sandman13 | peetaur2: first 200 lines and BIOS and ACPI have most logs: http://paste.debian.net/114801/ |
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| 09:14.11 | peetaur2 | sandman13: well I still don't see anything repeating there ... do you reboot it often? |
| 09:14.18 | sandman13 | no |
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| 09:16.03 | peetaur2 | sandman13: is the wifi stuff repeating that much? egrep -c "iwlwifi|wlan0:|cfg80211:" /var/log/messages.1 |
| 09:16.16 | peetaur2 | sandman13: compare to total wc -l /var/log/messages.1 |
| 09:16.35 | sandman13 | I have to run the last command wait |
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| 09:22.20 | sandman13 | peetaur2: so far I have got following result: http://paste.debian.net/114806/ |
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| 09:24.35 | peetaur2 | k, so you dind't run quite what I gave you (but I don't know the full thing I should give you), so I"ll just multiply by 3, and get about 10% of your log is your wifi and so I'd say it's not that serious and you should just shorten the files instead of try to prevent the spam |
| 09:24.44 | peetaur2 | (or find what the actual spam is, if not those wifi things) |
| 09:25.34 | sandman13 | peetaur2: grep usb | wc on the file resulted this: 10899220 264272318 2395617450 |
| 09:26.14 | peetaur2 | ah that's more like 33% |
| 09:26.34 | peetaur2 | so figure out what causes it, and if you don't care to keep 4 weeks worth of it, then put it in a separate file |
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| 09:27.08 | peetaur2 | might be hard though.... eg. this line still says kernel, Aug 3 19:33:55 ghost kernel: [ 7366.654801] usb 2-1.2: USB disconnect, device number 6 |
| 09:27.21 | peetaur2 | and has no simple stuff to filter... like the firewall has IN= OUT= MAC= etc. all the time |
| 09:27.34 | peetaur2 | firewall also says kernel, but you can filter it due to those things |
| 09:28.04 | sandman13 | peetaur2: I use USB Keyboard and Mouse |
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| 09:29.14 | peetaur2 | but do you unplug it 40 times per day? |
| 09:29.26 | peetaur2 | a few million times per month? :D |
| 09:30.52 | sandman13 | peetaur2: no 4-5 times per day at max |
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| 09:31.47 | petern_ | Find out what's dropping all the time, and... unplug it. |
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| 09:32.19 | petern_ | I had an issue with a webcam that kept cycling on and off. Reseated the connector and then it was fine... for a bit. |
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| 09:33.20 | petern_ | Turned out my keyboard firmware was faulty, and fixing that finally fixed the webcam. Weird issue :) |
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| 09:35.44 | sandman13 | petern_: more than 8 times a day the usb is registered but I see two devices one is EHCI and another is Generic |
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| 09:47.44 | L0aD1nG | Hello all |
| 09:48.38 | doev | Can I force to create a new db-dir for a mysql-server? |
| 09:49.04 | L0aD1nG | Is there any possibility open-source ati driver to causing higher temps than proprietary one? |
| 09:49.11 | doev | everything have to be like fresh installed? |
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| 10:01.24 | peetaur2 | doev: mysql_install_db |
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| 10:02.56 | doev | peetaur2, but the debian maintainer account is missing |
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| 10:04.35 | peetaur2 | doev: I don't know what you mean |
| 10:05.40 | doev | peetaur2, there is a special account, debian needs it for configuration etc. |
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| 10:06.39 | L0aD1nG | Is there any possibility open-source ati driver to causing higher temps than proprietary one? |
| 10:06.49 | L0aD1nG | someone's opinion on this pleasE? |
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| 10:07.52 | tagrudev | Hello guys/girls, I am currently using a Debian "Wheezy" 64 bit distro and some days ago I obtained a hardware that only runs with windows driver ... So my question what is the most painless way to install windows now ? |
| 10:08.11 | tagrudev | nowadays .. |
| 10:08.31 | peetaur2 | doev: so create one ... |
| 10:09.03 | peetaur2 | tagrudev: debian is not a windows distribution |
| 10:09.11 | doev | peetaur2, I try to remove the mysql-server completly and reinstall it. |
| 10:09.25 | tagrudev | :) |
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| 10:09.37 | tagrudev | no one said it was |
| 10:09.47 | peetaur2 | so why ask here instead of ##windows ? |
| 10:10.39 | tagrudev | someone is grumpy today, ok point taken |
| 10:11.12 | day | .... |
| 10:11.21 | day | format drive install windows |
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| 10:11.47 | tagrudev | :) I would like to leave the debian distro and dual boot with windows |
| 10:12.10 | peetaur2 | tagrudev: :D not grumpy... just have no clue why we would know the answer .... why did you ask here? do you want to resize debian? the windows installer might do that, else ask again about how to resize debian if you can't figure it out. |
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| 10:12.58 | tagrudev | I have no idea if the windows installer have the option to resize the partitions and what damage would that do to the current debian system |
| 10:13.14 | tagrudev | yeah I need a tool for resizing under debian that would be a help |
| 10:13.17 | peetaur2 | heh well actually I think windows would never be able to resize the fs, just do other simpler operations |
| 10:13.21 | babilen | peetaur2: Your optimism is refreshing. The Windows installer does not care about anything and will neither configure its bootloader to boot Debian nor will it offer to resize Linux filesystems (but then ##windows might be able to help with that) |
| 10:13.21 | day | i doubt it. it will see the partition as unrecognizable |
| 10:14.03 | peetaur2 | babilen: as far as I know, windows since 2000 and at least until 7 will offer to boot your debian if your debian has the bootloader in the partition rather than the MBR, so it can chainload it |
| 10:14.14 | doev | peetaur2, reinstallation looks good. But why was the installer able to place the mysql-datadir on the place it was before? I deletete all config files. |
| 10:14.24 | babilen | tagrudev: Boot a live cd and use something like (g)parted (or use the parted live cd to begin with) |
| 10:14.36 | babilen | peetaur2: Really? Progress! |
| 10:14.48 | tagrudev | now that's an idea can't I do that on OS level ? |
| 10:14.59 | tagrudev | without booting a cd |
| 10:15.03 | babilen | tagrudev: What do you mean by "os level" ? |
| 10:15.09 | tagrudev | ^ |
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| 10:15.21 | babilen | I would strongly advise you to *not* resize mounted filesystems. |
| 10:15.33 | babilen | So: No, not a good idea |
| 10:15.43 | babilen | (or tinker with active partitions) |
| 10:15.43 | tagrudev | I see |
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| 10:16.10 | tagrudev | thank you guys |
| 10:16.14 | peetaur2 | tagrudev: Linux is not fussy about boot... you can reshape it however you want, even cp it to another disk, then just verify fstab is correct, reinstall the bootloader, rebuild grub.cfg and initramfs and you're set to go |
| 10:16.33 | peetaur2 | tagrudev: just don't shrink a filesystem online, and don't grow it without a backup (first is not supported, 2nd might be buggy) |
| 10:16.52 | tagrudev | online ? |
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| 10:17.21 | tagrudev | I need to shrink it and leave place for windows, I would try the live cd (g)parted |
| 10:17.37 | peetaur2 | online/mounted |
| 10:17.43 | tagrudev | kk |
| 10:17.45 | tagrudev | thank you |
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| 10:18.22 | babilen | tagrudev: Create a backup and then boot the parted live CD (or use gparted from another lice CD, it doesn't really matter). That is almost certainly the safest and easiest way to go about this. |
| 10:18.34 | babilen | Oh, live cd naturally. We wouldn't want any bugs near that box! |
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| 10:33.22 | sandman13 | peetaur2: I am sure that the issue I said earlier was due to USB, but I have another distro installed which doesn't have such huge message logs |
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| 11:02.07 | shellox_ | where is mod_status for apache in debian |
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| 11:03.01 | formorer | shellox_: in the apache2 package. |
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| 11:03.24 | shellox_ | formorer: but a2enmod status returns an error |
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| 11:03.32 | shellox_ | or is it in core? |
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| 11:04.21 | formorer | no, usually it is a module. are /etc/apache2/mods-available/status.conf and status.load existing? what is the error? |
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| 11:05.52 | shellox_ | formorer: i'm on debian wheezy. i don't see it in there |
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| 11:06.11 | daemonkeeper | It's a conffile. You probably deleted it before. |
| 11:06.18 | themill | shellox_: do you have the apache2.2-bin package installed? |
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| 11:06.32 | formorer | apache2.2-common: /etc/apache2/mods-available/status.conf |
| 11:07.17 | shellox_ | formorer: yeah it's installed |
| 11:07.18 | L0aD1nG | Is there any possibility open-source ati driver to causing higher temps than proprietary one? |
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| 11:08.22 | peetaur2 | L0aD1nG: probably, since it can control things like clock states and fan speeds. But ask in #radeon |
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| 11:13.59 | CaNsA | if i unmount 2 ext4 drives in a Raid0, change o/s from debian to xpenology then mount the drives in the new o/s will the data be ok? |
| 11:14.12 | shellox_ | formorer: where can i get the files from |
| 11:14.24 | shellox_ | it was first managed by puppet, but i'll switch |
| 11:14.32 | themill | dpkg: tell shellox_ about confmiss |
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| 11:15.10 | themill | shellox_: if it's just those two files you want, the easiest thing is probably to "aptitude download $package" and the extract them from the .deb by hand using mc or dpkg -x. |
| 11:15.45 | Walex | CaNsA: your description is a bit confused, but if you used MD RAID then RAID members are distro and kernel version and hardware independent. |
| 11:15.58 | CaNsA | ah |
| 11:16.07 | Walex | L0aD1nG: yes, until kernel version 3.13 |
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| 11:16.24 | Walex | L0aD1nG: in particular fan/speed control improved dramatically in 3.13 |
| 11:16.52 | CaNsA | Walex, currently my n54L has openmediavault running on it |
| 11:17.04 | CaNsA | the raid was created with it |
| 11:17.08 | Walex | CaNsA: I don't know OpenMediaVault |
| 11:17.13 | shellox_ | themill: where does it download the packages? |
| 11:17.18 | CaNsA | ok, cheers |
| 11:17.24 | themill | shellox_: current directory |
| 11:17.46 | Walex | CaNsA: but you can easily check by doing 'cat /proc/mdstat' if it is MD RAID. |
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| 11:18.07 | Walex | CaNsA: BTW DM/LVM2 RAID also is independent of hw/os/... |
| 11:18.51 | shellox_ | themill: thanks man, works |
| 11:19.14 | CaNsA | ill check that now |
| 11:19.20 | shellox_ | have some stupid problem that our webserver always dies because of max connections and i guess status is the best way to find out if there are hanging processes |
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| 11:20.17 | CaNsA | Walex, md127 : active raid0 sdb[0] sdc[1] |
| 11:23.02 | Walex | CaNsA: or use 'pvs' or 'dmsetup to check if it is DM/LVM2 |
| 11:23.10 | Walex | CaNsA: or use 'pvs' or 'dmsetup info' to check if it is DM/LVM2 |
| 11:23.26 | CaNsA | k |
| 11:23.37 | Walex | CaNsA: that output shows an MD RAID set level 0 two members |
| 11:24.11 | CaNsA | 'dmsetup info' shows "No devices found" |
| 11:24.27 | CaNsA | 'pvs' doesnt return anything |
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| 11:26.46 | CaNsA | Walex, http://pastebin.com/D1RrSgEt |
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| 11:28.18 | Walex | CaNsA: fine, 'cat /proc/mdstat' already showed that your 2 drives are in an MD RAID set, not a DM/LVM2 one. |
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| 11:29.08 | CaNsA | Walex, cheers for the help. so i guess i would have to pull the data to somewhere else if i want to change o/s right? |
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| 11:29.59 | Walex | CaNsA: no, why, I just told you MD RAID sets are distro/hw/... independent |
| 11:30.13 | Walex | CaNsA: as long as you use some GNU/Linux variant. |
| 11:30.30 | CaNsA | ah |
| 11:30.38 | CaNsA | i re-read what you said |
| 11:31.04 | CaNsA | sorry mate, i'm only half way through my 1st cup of gogo juice |
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| 11:45.42 | babilen | kpap: Yes? |
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| 11:49.09 | mrproper | hello |
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| 11:50.40 | mrproper | I have a problem with Deluge in Debian. I had it working nicely on Ubuntu Server but after install it on a brand new Debian Wheezy I can't browse internet decently while downloading anything. Is there a reason for this behaviour? I'm using the same config on my router and on Deluge |
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| 11:51.46 | Stummi | mrproper, maybe on ubuntu you had set some limit and on debian not? |
| 11:52.11 | mrproper | Stummi: nope, I was using default configuration on the os and the same configuration on Deluge |
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| 11:52.25 | Stummi | how did you assured same config? Did you copied it? |
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| 11:52.31 | mrproper | Stummi: yep |
| 11:53.08 | Stummi | mrproper, maybe they are different versions, which expects different configuration directives? |
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| 11:54.23 | mrproper | Stummi: no idea but is annoying. I have problem even with 1 or 2 torrents downloading at 20 kb/s. I have a good connection at home (40Mb). The only solution is to restart the router. After that all works nicely again for some minutes |
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| 11:55.08 | Stummi | mrproper, is the 20 kb/s displayed by your client? Can you see the traffic on your router if it shows the same? |
| 11:55.18 | mrproper | Stummi: yes, is the same |
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| 11:55.51 | mrproper | Stummi: and the number of connections is really high sometimes (more than 1k) |
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| 11:56.11 | Stummi | well, that sounds like your problem. Have you tried to limit the connection count in deluge? |
| 11:56.19 | Stummi | there is probably a configuration option for this |
| 11:57.11 | mrproper | Stummi: yes, it is limited but is the same I had on ubuntu server and I was not having any problem |
| 11:57.15 | mrproper | this is odd |
| 11:57.47 | Stummi | as I said maybe some kind of incompatibilty between the versions shipped from ubuntu and debian |
| 11:58.17 | SirLagz | why would a lvm partition have errors when i fsck with `fsck -n /dev/mapper/stardock-root` when I'm booted into debian, but when scanning from LiveCD, it's fine ? |
| 11:58.19 | mrproper | Stummi: maybe... no idea. I can't find any useful info |
| 11:59.20 | Stummi | SirLagz, fsck on a rw mounted partition is not reliable |
| 11:59.49 | SirLagz | Stummi: true...I wouldn't think it would have a *huge* amount of errors when i fsck when it's mounted though |
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| 12:02.46 | kpap | I am getting ERRORS on install with mysql-server-5.5 I have removed it and reionstalled it and stil the same error, how to I get it to configure.? |
| 12:03.08 | Stummi | SirLagz, thats possible. Your FS driver writes into journals etc while fsck reads them. This has to look like some inconsistency for fsck. I wouldnt worry about this as long as an offline check doesn't show anything |
| 12:03.15 | SirLagz | hmm ok |
| 12:03.28 | SirLagz | Stummi: guess I'm back to investigating hardware issues now lol |
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| 12:04.02 | Stummi | SirLagz, whats your actual problem? |
| 12:04.08 | SirLagz | random segfaults |
| 12:04.24 | Stummi | I think you already checked your memory? |
| 12:04.27 | SirLagz | Stummi: indeed |
| 12:04.34 | SirLagz | Stummi: I also just ran a full day stress test of the memory |
| 12:04.40 | Stummi | Are you on a 32 bit system with PAE? |
| 12:04.44 | SirLagz | Stummi: nope, 64bit |
| 12:05.13 | viccuad | guys, I can't subscribe to debian news mailing list (yet I'm suscribed to others). has anyone have this behaviour? is it broken? |
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| 12:07.36 | viccuad | nevermind; I got the email |
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| 12:08.43 | jelly | !tell kpap about basic apt troubleshooting |
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| 12:10.54 | SirLagz | might just let it stress test more...hmm |
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| 12:24.31 | junka | qbittorrent wont be fixed ? :( |
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| 12:30.51 | babilen | junka: We've been over this before. There really is no need for statements like yours. |
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| 12:31.46 | junka | It's not my fault |
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| 12:32.39 | junka | why did it even immigrate to stable? |
| 12:33.24 | babilen | junka: Yes, but mentioning "qbittorrent wont be fixed ? :(" in this channel achieves *nothing*. I already explained to you that stable is, well, stable and also showed you ways to backport newer versions of the packages in question to wheezy. What more do you want? What did you think would you accomplish by whining in here? |
| 12:33.29 | abrotman | junka: you're welcome to use another distro |
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| 12:34.52 | babilen | Judging from other bugs in the package it also doesn't look as if it is software that I would necessarily want to run, but I *also* mentioned alternatives. So: Stop the whining and *do* something. |
| 12:35.03 | junka | babilen, there are no backports for neither qbittorrent or the faulty package |
| 12:35.24 | babilen | Yes, which is why I elaborated on how to backport it yourself. |
| 12:35.47 | junka | yes but it wont receive security updates :( |
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| 12:36.06 | babilen | It sure would, you just have to backport them whenever a new version enters sid. |
| 12:36.48 | junka | also, the package name is different, someone else did this but the stable qbittorrent does not accept the new package |
| 12:37.29 | peetaur2 | junka: use deluge instead |
| 12:37.38 | babilen | Yes, you, naturally, have to backport the qbittorrent package from sid also. Come on, we've been over this. Do you really want me to repeat it all again? |
| 12:37.58 | babilen | (or use an alternative if you can't be bothered, I'm definitely not going to backport it for you) |
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| 12:38.56 | junka | babilen, ok... peetaur2 does deluge have a sequential download |
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| 12:39.18 | peetaur2 | junka: it has some setting for max active files or some such, and then you can queue up a bunch |
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| 12:40.26 | junka | peetaur2, no, it's a different thing where it downloads the pieces of the torrent in order |
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| 12:41.08 | peetaur2 | junka: k... not sure if it has that |
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| 12:50.12 | mikechelen | junka: i dont think deluge has sequential dl, might want to look into tribler or frostwire |
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| 13:02.56 | mrtnt | Who are Debian DDs? |
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| 13:03.43 | centrx | mrtnt, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDeveloper |
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| 13:06.59 | abrotman | mrtnt: Did you mean in this channel? |
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| 13:11.27 | mrtnt | centrx: thanks! |
| 13:12.14 | mrtnt | abrotman: no, I was reading an e-mail-thread about release date of Jessie. |
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| 13:12.46 | Big-Blue | freeze is sometime later this year, ain't it? |
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| 13:14.46 | pom | I'm trying to understand the message "Depends: [package] which is a virtual package.". Why is this blocking me from installing something? Isn't virtual package supposed to resolve the very thing it's not actually blocking? |
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| 13:19.11 | Big-Blue | how are proprietary graphics drivers handled during the freeze period of testing? |
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| 13:20.00 | jelly | Big-Blue: probably just like any other piece of software -- no new versions unless excepted manually |
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| 13:21.07 | peetaur2 | pom: I find debian doesn't handle some things like that well... it might have a very valid reason, but just isn't telling you ... try installing the virtual package to see if it gives you a better message. |
| 13:21.23 | abrotman | aptitude why-not foo |
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| 13:22.52 | pom | peetaur2: If I install the package explicitly, it does exactly what I expect. |
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| 13:27.45 | abrotman | win 17 |
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| 13:35.16 | infernix | apt.cache.FetchFailedException: W:Failed to fetch xz:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/http.debian.net_debian_dists_jessie_main_binary-amd64_Packages Hash Sum mismatch |
| 13:35.33 | infernix | i'm getting hash sum mismatches on every mirror for jessie, did something change over the weekend? |
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| 13:36.11 | centrx | Works for me |
| 13:36.19 | abrotman | infernix: proxied? |
| 13:36.34 | infernix | no nothing like it. |
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| 13:42.02 | infernix | it's so weird. http.debian.net_debian_dists_jessie_main_binary-amd64_Packages.decomp.FAILED |
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| 13:42.58 | infernix | but if i xzcat it, it's fine |
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| 13:44.09 | Walex | infernix: 'xz -t http.debian.net_debian_dists_jessie_main_binary-amd64_Packages' |
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| 13:44.28 | infernix | Walex: works flawlessly |
| 13:44.35 | Walex | infernix: also note that this a #Debian-next question on IRC.Debian.org |
| 13:44.51 | Walex | infernix: perhaps it expects to be GZIPed not XZed |
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| 13:45.07 | infernix | no, the URI is xz: |
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| 13:45.17 | infernix | and wasn't aware of #debian-next, is that on OFTC? |
| 13:45.28 | petn-randall | infernix: Head over to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, this channel is stable-only :) |
| 13:45.40 | Walex | infernix: IRC.Debian.org currently is OFTC |
| 13:45.41 | petn-randall | infernix: Yes, it's on OFTC. |
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| 13:45.45 | jelly | s/-only/strong preference/ |
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| 13:46.27 | Walex | jelly: people who run testing/unstable archives and ask questions on IRC tend to be deluded noobs... Better send them to the right place :-) |
| 13:46.48 | jelly | doesn't automatically shoo people with testing questions off, esp. if there's nothing more relevant going on |
| 13:46.57 | themill | it's more that you're more likely to find people in #d-next who know the foibles of testing and unstable, in the same way as a ppc-specific question is probably better in #debianppc |
| 13:47.04 | petn-randall | Walex: That's not a nice thing to say, and not even true. |
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| 13:47.44 | jelly | petn-randall: of those that come asking in here, a big number matches that description |
| 13:47.47 | Walex | sometimes prefers unpretty truths to pretty lies |
| 13:48.11 | petn-randall | often asks questions about testing. |
| 13:48.19 | Walex | petn-randall: oops :-) |
| 13:48.39 | petn-randall | o.O Walex |
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| 13:49.23 | Walex | petn-randall: the problem is that 'testing' and 'unstable' archives should only be used by people prepared to debug the possible resulting packaging and package issues, rather than by people who expect things to work just newer and better |
| 13:49.27 | jelly | three, but doesn't feel wronged by Walex' comment |
| 13:50.06 | jelly | hell, testing broke my boot loader just yesterday |
| 13:50.47 | Walex | that is rare but it happens... |
| 13:51.32 | jelly | apt-listbugs warned me but did I believe? |
| 13:51.58 | Walex | I am more sympathetic to people who don't have enough knowledge to debug themselves issues but rely on 'stable' being fine, than those who rely on 'testing' or 'untable' and then asking others to fix the issues :-) |
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| 13:53.28 | jelly | debian does not advertise "stable+extra bits" enough for people to avoid installing testing |
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| 14:01.32 | Bluewolf | Can someone tell me if this checksum is right - d2bb0533cb0de9303f69085f79ca260a debian-live-7.6.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso |
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| 14:02.43 | centrx | Bluewolf, compare it to the sum in the MD5SUMS file, e.g. |
| 14:02.50 | Nik05 | Bluewolf i think there are singed checksums |
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| 14:03.13 | Nik05 | ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 14:05.43 | Bluewolf | Nik05, centrx: I have downloaded Debian Gnome, KDE and LXDE and I want to check their Checksums before I burn but according to this site there all wrong? - http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable/amd64/iso-hybrid/MD5SUMS |
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| 14:06.06 | centrx | Bluewolf, How are you checking the checksums? |
| 14:06.18 | centrx | md5sum ? |
| 14:06.28 | jelly | Bluewolf: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/MD5SUMS seems to match |
| 14:06.40 | Bluewolf | centrx, md5sum debian-live-7.6.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso |
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| 14:07.33 | themill | Bluewolf: there are different md5sums at different locations. I can't explain why. |
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| 14:08.59 | Bluewolf | themill, I do see that, the one jelly just gave me matches up with them. So the one I had was wrong? |
| 14:09.15 | Bluewolf | jelly, Thank you, that does help |
| 14:09.18 | fmcd | why isn't pciback compiled into the xen kernel? |
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| 14:10.25 | OldParr | how to open outgoing tcp/4661 Port ? |
| 14:11.09 | jelly | Bluewolf: of course to be safe you ought to verify the openpgp signature with MD5SUMS.sign, and you'd have to trust the pgp key in advance... |
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| 14:11.30 | awre | Derp here: What is the best way to connect a linux machine to windows machine using IPSec |
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| 14:12.12 | awre | Basically the communication between the linux and windows machine needs to be secured with IPsec. |
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| 14:13.11 | Bluewolf | jelly, Definitely, now what is the command I run to check the CD once I have burned it and I use the same code? |
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| 14:14.09 | rhineheart_m | if prename 's/^(.)/\u$1/' will change the first letter to smallcaps.. how to do it other way around? making Filename to filename? |
| 14:14.58 | Nik05 | Bluewolf the link i gave you had the checksums of your file |
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| 14:16.49 | themill | rhineheart_m: \u means uppercase next character; \l means lowercase next character (man perlre) |
| 14:17.01 | rhineheart_m | themill, I was about to alert you.. :) |
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| 14:17.15 | SynrG | using libpam-mount, if a user makes a typo in their password a couple of times, the network locks that user out. checking the log, there are multiple CIFS VFS failures per password attempt ... |
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| 14:17.22 | themill | rhineheart_m: decided that all those caps was a bad idea? |
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| 14:17.28 | SynrG | why the hell is it attempting to automount when the password has been incorrectly typed??? |
| 14:17.42 | rhineheart_m | themill, yeah :) thanks again. |
| 14:17.51 | SynrG | four automounted volumes. four failures ... |
| 14:18.08 | SynrG | it's no wonder the PDC gets cranky |
| 14:18.56 | rhineheart_m | themill, I managed to do it with prename 's/^(.)/\u$1/' *.* |
| 14:20.11 | Bluewolf | Nik05, I have that thanks, my question is the command to check the disk once it has been burned? |
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| 14:27.02 | SynrG | i've been all through pam_mount(5) and see no options to help :( |
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| 14:28.13 | Nik05 | Bluewolf no idea, just put it on a USB stick? |
| 14:28.46 | junka | does archlinux uses the same packages as debian unstable? |
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| 14:29.36 | centrx | junka, No, it is a completely different packaging system. Much of the software will be similar though. |
| 14:29.44 | centrx | *the software itself |
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| 14:31.22 | junka | so.. users of arch or debian unstable dont receive security updates unless the packager maintainer releases them? |
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| 14:31.53 | Bluewolf | Nik05, I'm actually not too sure how, I have not done a reinstall in a while and I had the CD? |
| 14:32.42 | qman__ | junka: yes, and that is true of all distributions which have packaging systems |
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| 14:34.01 | qman__ | junka: the other option is compiling everything yourself |
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| 14:34.36 | junka | qman__, i have no idea about compiling |
| 14:34.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell Bluewolf -about check cd |
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| 14:35.00 | babilen | Bluewolf: Do you have reason to believe that the image burned erroneously? |
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| 14:38.08 | Please_Help | http://adf.ly/r2SSB |
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| 14:39.15 | aldoiljazi | test |
| 14:39.23 | centrx | test failed |
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| 14:39.30 | Bluewolf | babilen, Hey there, No I don't have a reason to believe that the image burned erroneously but I have had one before and know all about the problems it causes :D |
| 14:39.46 | aldoiljazi | i am using a registered nickname is that bad? (it was mine cant remember pass) |
| 14:40.03 | centrx | aldoiljazi, You might get renamed in a minute |
| 14:40.31 | aldoiljazi | what should i do? |
| 14:40.38 | centrx | aldoiljazi, Visit #freenode for these types of things. They may able to get your nick back too. |
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| 14:41.29 | aldoiljazi | thanks |
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| 14:43.33 | ikonia | if you've created a new GPG key, who do you re-sign the whole repo with that key |
| 14:43.44 | ikonia | I don't understand the distinction within the reprepo docs |
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| 14:47.03 | OldParr | how can i open a port ? |
| 14:47.13 | peetaur2 | OldParr: firewall? |
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| 14:47.35 | themill | ikonia: only the Release file is signed |
| 14:48.06 | OldParr | peetaur2: is for amule |
| 14:48.07 | ikonia | themill: ahh thats "repo" |
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| 14:50.40 | OldParr | peetaur2: yes .. firewall |
| 14:51.47 | OldParr | peetaur2: the wiki says that i must open those ports but it do not says how |
| 14:52.30 | peetaur2 | OldParr: okay so you probably want your router to forward a port to your machine. And then you want to verify that you don't block it, or just unblock it. Which firewall software are you using? (default is plain iptables with no rules, ACCEPT all) |
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| 14:53.56 | OldParr | i installed firestarter but i did not see any opening port option in there |
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| 14:55.32 | peetaur2 | you don't "open" a port, but use some other term... accept new connection is the firewall's job.. forward is the router's job, listen is the daemon's job |
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| 14:55.51 | nmschulte | daemon has to accept as well. |
| 14:55.57 | peetaur2 | and it's a very basic thing to accept connections in a firewall... so I'm sure you just need to look another time |
| 14:56.00 | nmschulte | firewall is transparent to the situation usually. |
| 14:57.14 | nmschulte | OldParr: which firewall are you using?> |
| 14:58.16 | Fjorgynn | It's awesome when the dentist is free |
| 14:58.20 | Fjorgynn | don't you think? |
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| 14:59.41 | OldParr | peetaur2: i have not installed any firewall , must be the one by default, i just instaled firestarter |
| 15:00.01 | peetaur2 | OldParr: well the default one should accept all....block nothing |
| 15:00.28 | peetaur2 | so then your issue is the other 2/3 I listed.... port forward (DNAT) in firewall, or the daemon has to listen/accept connections |
| 15:00.43 | peetaur2 | but now that you installed firestarter, maybe #2 is also an issue... :D |
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| 15:07.22 | ikonia | if I run "reprepro processincoming wheezy" I get no errors just returns to the prompt, even with --ask-passphrase it doesn't prompt me for the passphrase for the key |
| 15:07.40 | ikonia | if did however work for lenny, suggesting a problem with the definition file, however they are the same in terms of syntax |
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| 15:07.51 | ikonia | what am I missing ? |
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| 15:11.04 | TyrfingMjolnir | Just like postgres has an nice repo on their own server does enlightenment have this too? |
| 15:11.18 | TyrfingMjolnir | http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/README |
| 15:12.47 | brontosaurusrex | what would i do with this sdl2 error: http://paste.debian.net/plain/114875 ? |
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| 15:20.54 | jelly | brontosaurusrex: get rid of the locally built library, probably? |
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| 15:21.13 | brontosaurusrex | jelly, nope |
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| 15:22.02 | jelly | brontosaurusrex: set the environment variable SDL2DIR correctly, then? |
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| 15:22.21 | brontosaurusrex | not sure how to do that jelly |
| 15:22.55 | jelly | brontosaurusrex: you're the one who's built and installed it, you ought to know where it installed? |
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| 15:23.39 | L0aD1nG | should I use firmware-linux-free or nonfree one on stable?? |
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| 15:24.10 | centrx | L0aD1nG, Depends if you need any of the drivers in nonfree |
| 15:24.11 | brontosaurusrex | sdl2-config --libs <returns> -L/usr/local/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/lib -lSDL2 -lpthread |
| 15:24.19 | jelly | L0aD1nG: use the one required for your hardware. If everything works already, there's no need to install any firmware packages |
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| 15:24.52 | jelly | L0aD1nG: the contents are different and both can be installed at the same time, if needed |
| 15:25.07 | L0aD1nG | I bought an SSD drive and temps climbed over 5-6C more, I am trying to figure out why it does that (SSD should need lesser resources) |
| 15:25.20 | Solution-X | i've been poking at #maria the last hour and havent gotten a response so while i know its OT...im desperate. long story short, had a power outage and maria got corrupted. Tried repairing and wasnt happening so tried to uninstall/purge and it wasnt getting me back to the first-time setup options and failed to start. Tried deleting all the dir's i could find for mysql and purge/reinstall again |
| 15:25.20 | Solution-X | and no pez. I know its probably something simple im not doing but i have no idea what it is....halp! |
| 15:25.23 | L0aD1nG | is it possible that the open-source GFX driver causing problem? |
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| 15:26.00 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: which temps? hddtemp? CPU temp? GPU temp? |
| 15:26.13 | Solution-X | the goal as of now it to get back to a "clean" maria install |
| 15:26.16 | jelly | L0aD1nG: the short answer is "yes", with some cards some versions of free drivers do not set fan control properly |
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| 15:26.46 | L0aD1nG | jelly : I have the ATI randeon6550/7550 |
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| 15:26.56 | jelly | L0aD1nG: but if you cloned the exact same OS to the new disk, that should not have mattered |
| 15:27.12 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: are you using fglrx or the free radeon driver? |
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| 15:27.29 | L0aD1nG | jelly: no I didnt I fresh install the os , so I get clean new installation |
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| 15:27.42 | L0aD1nG | SynrG : free (open-source) |
| 15:27.49 | jelly | L0aD1nG: well then... |
| 15:27.53 | junka | babilen, deluge does not crash despite using the same Libtorrent 15.10, so i am switching to deluge |
| 15:28.08 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: you definitely need firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 15:28.41 | L0aD1nG | SynrG: I have it installed already mate. |
| 15:28.42 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: your GPU performance will be terrible, and you may not have proper GPU fan control |
| 15:28.58 | SynrG | k. i thought from your earlier question you didn't |
| 15:29.14 | jelly | SynrG: is this expected, normal fun with amd gpus? |
| 15:29.24 | SynrG | mine behaves fine |
| 15:29.25 | L0aD1nG | SynrG: you suggest me go back to proprietary?? |
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| 15:29.43 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: if you suspect the GPU is contributing, you could. |
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| 15:29.55 | jelly | considered getting a thinkpad edge e145 "lenovo does not make netbooks" with amd apu |
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| 15:31.08 | L0aD1nG | SynrG: Could SSD causing the problem cause of higher CPU usage? |
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| 15:31.42 | jelly | brontosaurusrex: perhaps SDL2_image is a completely separate product, not part of SDL2, and you haven't built or installed it yet? |
| 15:32.01 | brontosaurusrex | jelly, perhaps |
| 15:32.03 | jelly | brontosaurusrex: I'm just guessing wildly, here |
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| 15:33.35 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: are you using the backports kernel? |
| 15:33.50 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: don't know about the SSD thing. is that the *only* thing you changed? |
| 15:33.50 | L0aD1nG | what do you mean? |
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| 15:34.03 | SynrG | are you using a kernel from the wheezy-backports repository? |
| 15:34.08 | SynrG | uname -a |
| 15:34.26 | L0aD1nG | 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.60-1+deb7u3 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:34.38 | SynrG | some features for N.Islands GPU are missing in the stable kernel (notably anti-aliasing and HD Audio) |
| 15:34.47 | squisher | hey folks, is dh_make in some way deprecated? I just noticed that the last update is from 2012 and was wondering if it is still OK to use |
| 15:35.18 | L0aD1nG | should I upgrade kernel, but this is the only that supported as stable... |
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| 15:35.43 | SynrG | HDMI audio, pardon |
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| 15:35.50 | SynrG | !bpo kernel |
| 15:35.51 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 15:35.57 | SynrG | ,kernels |
| 15:35.58 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.16-trunk-686-pae (3.16-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.15-2); jessie: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.13-2); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.14.13-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 15:36.14 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: the backports kernel may or may not help |
| 15:36.21 | SynrG | it's certainly worth a shot |
| 15:37.03 | SynrG | squisher: dh is mostly automated so that a complete debian/rules can be just a single line |
| 15:37.13 | SynrG | squisher: so yes, it is more or less deprecated |
| 15:37.45 | SynrG | squisher: also, you probably should take this sort of question to #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:38.10 | L0aD1nG | SynrG: Can I install 3.14-2-686-pae without compiling it myself? |
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| 15:38.30 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: yes, exactly as the bpo kernel factoid above advises. |
| 15:38.31 | squisher | SynrG, thanks, I'll ask there |
| 15:38.42 | SynrG | !tell L0aD1nG about wheezy-backports |
| 15:38.44 | SynrG | do that first |
| 15:39.31 | junka | what does the +dfsg means in some packages |
| 15:40.26 | SynrG | junka: the source package needed to repacked for DFSG compliance |
| 15:40.43 | SynrG | e.g. the removal of "minimized" javascript, non-free docs, etc. etc. |
| 15:41.40 | SynrG | things upstream probably doesn't care to fix because they see them as debian-specific issues. ideally, though, the world would share our views on freedom and modify their source tarballs to not include this stuff :) |
| 15:43.49 | SynrG | junka: i.e. in such cases it's insufficient to merely drop the material from the debs produced from the source, because the source package still contains the material in violation of the DFSG. so a developer script is run to first sanitize the source, and then the source tarball is rebuilt from that, excising the offending material. |
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| 15:49.50 | L0aD1nG | SynrG: so I have to install kernel-image-3.14-0.bpo.2-amd64-di ? |
| 15:50.04 | SynrG | no |
| 15:50.19 | SynrG | just apt-get install -t wheezy-backports linux-image-amd64 |
| 15:50.31 | SynrG | that will pull in the metapackage, which will in turn pull in 3.14 |
| 15:51.22 | junka | SynrG, thanks |
| 15:51.23 | L0aD1nG | and then If something go wrong I can return back to normal? |
| 15:51.46 | SynrG | yep. you can downgrade that metapackage so you continue to track stable |
| 15:51.57 | SynrG | also, the original kernel remains in grub |
| 15:52.04 | SynrG | so you can at any time boot to it |
| 15:52.30 | L0aD1nG | yea I mean if I can totally discard the new one if it doesn't feet well for some reason (so no needed) ? |
| 15:52.37 | SynrG | yep |
| 15:53.09 | L0aD1nG | I guess with : apt-get purge -t wheezy-backports linux-image-amd64 ?? |
| 15:53.30 | Artemis3 | probably not |
| 15:53.41 | Artemis3 | to delete you need to be more specific, the actual version |
| 15:53.53 | L0aD1nG | ohh |
| 15:53.59 | Artemis3 | maybe aptitude, maybe |
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| 15:54.50 | L0aD1nG | you mean use aptitude instead?? |
| 15:54.55 | L0aD1nG | @Artemis3 |
| 15:55.38 | Artemis3 | aptitude remove tries to auto delete packages pulled from other packages as dependencies unless manually marked installed |
| 15:55.42 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: you would downgrade the linux-image-amd64 via: |
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| 15:55.49 | Gn0m3 | Hello |
| 15:56.05 | SynrG | apt-get install linux-image-amd64=version (where 'version' is the version# in stable at the time) |
| 15:56.09 | Artemis3 | but linux-image-amd64 dependency will be already satisfied by the earlier kernel |
| 15:56.23 | SynrG | then you would remove the backports kernel package by name |
| 15:56.23 | Artemis3 | so stick to remove the actual kernel version imo |
| 15:56.50 | Gn0m3 | I broke my apt when triying to perform a dist upgrade interrupted by an ups fail |
| 15:56.55 | Gn0m3 | Can Anyone help me |
| 15:56.56 | SynrG | Artemis3: kernel metapackage deps are tightly versioned. |
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| 15:57.10 | Gn0m3 | I get this error when trying to perform a simple apt-get update |
| 15:57.11 | Gn0m3 | Can't load '/usr/lib/perl5/auto/AptPkg/AptPkg.so' for module AptPkg: libapt-pkg.so.4.12: no se puede abrir el fichero del objeto compartido: No existe el fichero o el directorio at /usr/lib/perl/5.14/DynaLoader.pm line 184. |
| 15:57.11 | Gn0m3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.12 | Gn0m3 | Compilation failed in require at /usr/lib/perl5/AptPkg/Cache.pm line 6. |
| 15:57.12 | Gn0m3 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/AptPkg/Cache.pm line 6. |
| 15:57.12 | Gn0m3 | Compilation failed in require at /usr/bin/apt-show-versions line 43. |
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| 15:58.20 | ElDiabolo | Hi. A question on evolution in wheezy. If I have not converted my mail to maildir format on first startup, how to I trigger the conversion later? |
| 15:58.36 | Artemis3 | Gn0m3, thats not big deal, btw you could join #debian-es |
| 15:58.38 | peetaur2 | Gn0m3: export LANG=en_US.utf8 |
| 15:58.44 | ElDiabolo | ... after migrating from squeeze. |
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| 15:59.00 | Gn0m3 | Hello I have an issue with apt-get |
| 15:59.02 | Gn0m3 | http://paste.debian.net/114882/ |
| 15:59.04 | SynrG | Artemis3: i.e. the wheezy-backports linux-image-amd64: Depends: linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 15:59.15 | SynrG | so no, the earlier kernel wouldn't satisfy that dep |
| 15:59.27 | L0aD1nG | SynrG: I got Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-3.fw for module r8169 this message at last of the installation |
| 15:59.32 | Gn0m3 | It happend when trying to upgrade from 6 to 7 and my system when down due to a UPS fail |
| 15:59.35 | Gn0m3 | Any help? |
| 15:59.41 | Artemis3 | yes for install thats clear SynrG, but after having both kernels installed, merely invoking the install of non backports i don't think removes 3.14 |
| 15:59.48 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: everyone gets that. if you don't have an r8169, ignore it |
| 16:00.02 | SynrG | (realtek network interface) |
| 16:00.06 | L0aD1nG | kk rebooting brb for news |
| 16:00.18 | Artemis3 | Gn0m3, perhaps apt-get install -f ; then resume your dist-upgrade? |
| 16:00.25 | L0aD1nG | thanks one more time SynrG you are amazing, thank you @Artemis3 |
| 16:00.33 | SynrG | Artemis3: correct, it doesn't. so it is subject to autoremoval |
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| 16:00.58 | Artemis3 | which aptitude can handle but apt-get doesnt |
| 16:01.08 | Artemis3 | by default anyway |
| 16:01.09 | SynrG | it handles it fine. just 'apt-get autoremove' |
| 16:01.21 | SynrG | it doesn't autoremove by default. but it autoremoves when you tell it to |
| 16:01.27 | SynrG | that's saner behaviour |
| 16:01.39 | Gn0m3 | Artemis3 apt-get install -f doesn't work either |
| 16:01.42 | SynrG | fewer 'oops, why did i just remove all of gnome!' mishaps |
| 16:01.51 | Gn0m3 | it seems that perl was damaged |
| 16:02.07 | Gn0m3 | and I tried fixing it but dependencies are all broken |
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| 16:02.33 | Artemis3 | what does aptitude tell you? |
| 16:02.48 | Artemis3 | aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 16:03.57 | Gn0m3 | aptitude tries to remove mysql-server, and that kills me |
| 16:04.13 | Artemis3 | Gn0m3, let it, and remember to install it later |
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| 16:05.43 | L0aD1nG | SynrG: The temp seems to be the same, but the boot time was amazing like 3 seconds lol |
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| 16:06.50 | Artemis3 | L0aD1nG, i think you can install that firmware from on of the packages the rt one, no big deal without it your nic works at 100m instead of 1g or such |
| 16:07.18 | L0aD1nG | Artemis3, my nic? what is that? |
| 16:07.31 | Artemis3 | network interface card? |
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| 16:08.53 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: nice. so ... net improvement? :) |
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| 16:09.19 | L0aD1nG | Artemis3, nic is just fine... |
| 16:09.25 | SynrG | you could apt-get -t wheezy-backports install firmware-linux-free firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 16:09.31 | SynrG | ,v firmware-linux-free |
| 16:09.32 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-free on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.32-48squeeze6; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-48squeeze6; squeeze-security-lts: 2.6.32-48squeeze8; squeeze-backports: 3.2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2; jessie: 3.3; sid: 3.3 |
| 16:09.35 | SynrG | ,v firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 16:09.38 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.41~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; sid/non-free: 0.43 |
| 16:09.45 | SynrG | ah, there's no backport of the free |
| 16:09.49 | L0aD1nG | SynrG: Well dude on boot its obviously improved but still temps are there... |
| 16:10.03 | Artemis3 | search the specific firmware |
| 16:10.31 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: is it possibly you dislodged a fan cable when you installed the new hdd? |
| 16:10.34 | SynrG | my money's on that |
| 16:10.44 | SynrG | do you have sensors to show fan speeds? |
| 16:11.33 | Artemis3 | ,v firmware-realtek |
| 16:11.34 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.41~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; sid/non-free: 0.43 |
| 16:11.38 | Artemis3 | there you go |
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| 16:12.30 | SynrG | ah. yeah |
| 16:13.28 | L0aD1nG | SynrG: no its not possible |
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| 16:13.41 | L0aD1nG | @SynrG |
| 16:13.53 | Artemis3 | laptop? |
| 16:14.00 | SynrG | still, reading the sensors is a good idea. |
| 16:14.03 | L0aD1nG | SynrG: lm-sensors |
| 16:14.06 | SynrG | fan sensors, i mean |
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| 16:14.30 | Artemis3 | ah, ati... |
| 16:14.36 | L0aD1nG | SynrG: how do that do I need too install something? |
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| 16:14.52 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: did you install the firmware-linux-nonfree from backports too, as i suggested above? |
| 16:14.56 | JordiGH | Is there a simple way to encode into webm on Debian 7.x? |
| 16:15.07 | SynrG | it's possible there's updated firmware for your card. |
| 16:15.11 | Artemis3 | mencoder? ffmpeg? ain't that simple? :3 |
| 16:15.42 | Artemis3 | there is some gui for them |
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| 16:16.10 | L0aD1nG | it is already install should I reinstall or smth? |
| 16:16.16 | SynrG | avconv -i blah.avi blah.webm ... and pray the defaults are reasonable :) |
| 16:16.21 | Artemis3 | or full fledged apps like handbrake |
| 16:16.27 | JordiGH | Artemis3: Any idea what the appropriate ffmpeg or mencoder incantation is? I thought webm was a family of encoders, which one do I want for video and which for audio? And what's the container, ogg? |
| 16:16.53 | Artemis3 | i think its customary for webm to use vp8+vorbis |
| 16:17.00 | Artemis3 | or vp9 now |
| 16:17.05 | L0aD1nG | SynrG: how to I get fan sensors :-P |
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| 16:17.15 | Artemis3 | youtube uses those i think |
| 16:17.21 | L0aD1nG | SynrG: can I do it over the official repos? |
| 16:17.22 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: 'sensors' ? |
| 16:17.25 | JordiGH | SynrG: Huh, just specifying .webm filename extension seems to know what to do. |
| 16:17.46 | JordiGH | Picks libvpx for video and libogg for audio. |
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| 16:18.02 | SynrG | yeah. it's a lot more dtrt than mencoder |
| 16:18.04 | Artemis3 | thats a start |
| 16:18.07 | L0aD1nG | SynrG: Yea you asked me about them if i have... |
| 16:18.10 | Artemis3 | i usually tweak the encoding parameters |
| 16:18.18 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: that's my answer. type the command 'sensors' |
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| 16:18.24 | SynrG | maybe |
| 16:18.31 | L0aD1nG | ohhh |
| 16:18.31 | SynrG | depends on if it is configured properly |
| 16:18.34 | JordiGH | Can y'all see my video now? http://jordi.platinum.linux.pl/tmp/lucha-libre.webm |
| 16:18.35 | L0aD1nG | I told you |
| 16:18.38 | L0aD1nG | I have lm-sensors |
| 16:18.39 | kpap | moondog, time to visit the tree? |
| 16:18.47 | L0aD1nG | thats how I see the temps... |
| 16:18.48 | JordiGH | Hey, no audio? At least not in Firefox. |
| 16:18.56 | Artemis3 | JordiGH, lol yes |
| 16:19.09 | L0aD1nG | want me private message the result paste? |
| 16:19.13 | L0aD1nG | @SynrG |
| 16:19.25 | JordiGH | Why is there no audio in Iceweasel when I play that webm? |
| 16:19.37 | JordiGH | clicks on the audio thing to no avail. |
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| 16:19.42 | Artemis3 | there is audio here JordiGH |
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| 16:19.53 | JordiGH | Okay, I guess I messed something up somewhere. |
| 16:20.06 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: nah. if fan stuff isn't in there i believe you |
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| 16:21.02 | L0aD1nG | SynrG: I still cant get what are you saying about the fans... :S |
| 16:21.02 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: dunno, and i have to focus on work |
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| 16:21.12 | SynrG | L0aD1nG: some BIOSes have a "hardware health monitor" |
| 16:21.18 | SynrG | with realtime display of fan speeds |
| 16:21.31 | Artemis3 | JordiGH, you can open your url with vlc |
| 16:21.32 | SynrG | just check them and make sure they're doing their job |
| 16:21.34 | L0aD1nG | SynrG: okay thank you so much |
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| 16:21.54 | L0aD1nG | SynrG: you are on job right now? |
| 16:21.59 | JordiGH | Is webm also a container format? |
| 16:22.02 | JordiGH | I didn't know that. |
| 16:22.18 | SynrG | yup. recently finished lunch |
| 16:22.21 | SynrG | gotta get back at it |
| 16:22.22 | SynrG | later |
| 16:22.36 | Artemis3 | JordiGH, of course it is lol |
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| 16:24.51 | L0aD1nG | laterz dude thanks for the support on this m8 |
| 16:24.56 | L0aD1nG | @SynrG |
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| 17:06.32 | deAtog | Can someone help me reconfigure grub on server that was just upgraded from a boot on hd mbr partition to boot on lvm on raid on gpt partition? Right now grub is giving me lots of warnings when I run update-grub2. I'm a bit hesitant to restart at the moment due to the warnings as I don't want to put the system in an unbootable state |
| 17:07.10 | frostschutz | deAtog, what's your partition table look like and what warnings do you get |
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| 17:10.10 | deAtog | frostschutz: I've got 3 GPT partitions, the first is a bios_grub partition, the second is a RAID 1 with LVM on top partition for root/boot, the third is a RAID 5 with lvm on top for use as a data partition. |
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| 17:11.17 | deAtog | frostschutz: right now I'm getting "grub-probe: warning: Couldn't find physical volume `(null)'. Some modules may be missing from core image.." from update-grub2 |
| 17:12.13 | deAtog | frostschutz: I'm also getting the same error for `pv1' but I don't have a physical volume called pv1.. |
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| 17:18.49 | AbortToddlers | Was anything decided regarding the "always releasable testing" proposal from last May? I haven't heard about it for awhile and I was curious if any action has been taken to prevent the Jessie freeze from going on as long as the Wheezy one did. https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/JessieReleaseProcess/AlwaysReleasableTesting |
| 17:19.52 | frostschutz | deAtog, if you have a /boot partition anyway, why bother with LVM for it? |
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| 17:19.59 | deAtog | frostschutz: running grub-install --debug /dev/sda indicates that running: grub-probe --device --target=abstraction is what's generating the warnings.. |
| 17:20.11 | frostschutz | oh it's root/boot, hmm |
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| 17:20.53 | deAtog | frostschutz: yeah.. it's a root/boot partition on LVM on RAID1 |
| 17:20.55 | frostschutz | deAtog, is this in a chroot? does it have /dev /proc /sys bind mounted? |
| 17:21.16 | deAtog | frostschutz: nope.. not in a chroot.. |
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| 17:29.00 | deAtog | frostschutz: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=160785 seems to indicate it's a known issue with grub after extending a volume group.. |
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| 17:30.47 | deAtog | frostschtutz: The reporting user stated that despite the warning, the system booted fine.. I'll attempt a reboot after work hours and see if it goes away. |
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| 17:44.40 | oeitei | . |
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| 17:45.59 | kpap | uh |
| 17:46.56 | oeitei | Why should it be the parent process who deallocate th pcb after a process termination ? why is it not the kernel who does that ? |
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| 17:57.17 | LRN | how do i upgrade linux-image when there isn't enough space in / ? |
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| 17:57.47 | frostschutz | make space |
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| 17:58.02 | LRN | how? I only have one kernel installed |
| 17:58.15 | LRN | normally you just remove old kernels, but not in this case |
| 17:58.39 | LRN | The / partition is 322M, 196M is used by current kernel (mostly by kernel modules) |
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| 17:59.05 | LRN | Maybe there there is a way to reduce the number of kernel modules installed? |
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| 18:00.24 | frostschutz | my kernel is 9M including all required drivers + cryptsetup/mdadm/lvm. but of course the source tree is larger |
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| 18:02.18 | LRN | apparently, i'm doing something wrong |
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| 18:03.25 | LRN | the /boot directory only occupies 25M. /lib is 120M. If i apt-get install newer kernel, /lib gets a whole lot of modules for the new kernel, and i run out of space for the kernel image in /boot |
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| 18:03.38 | babilen | LRN: I wouldn't recommend using such a small size for / and would strongly suggest to enlarge it (or use a more sensible partitioning scheme to begin with) |
| 18:04.04 | frostschutz | that's a custom kernel, just saying... not having space in / is ridiculous, if you're on space-restricted hardware you'll have to switch strategies and kernel is something that doesn't have to be huge |
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| 18:04.20 | Artemis3 | LRN, i think most (compressed) kernel images take something from 50m to 100m |
| 18:04.22 | LRN | AFAIR, resizing / is a PITA without LVM, and i don't have LVM |
| 18:04.45 | babilen | Well, then reinstall and use a more usable partitioning scheme. |
| 18:04.47 | petern_ | Reinstall with sensible partitions from this decade, not 1995 ;) |
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| 18:05.30 | babilen | But then (g)parted should be able to resize that just fine. |
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| 18:05.39 | petern_ | I had problems with small /boots, made before initrds were used. Eventually the machines died... |
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| 18:06.02 | Artemis3 | yes if you don't remove the older kernels it will get full quick |
| 18:06.57 | Artemis3 | from experience aptitude would try removing older kernels save the last one |
| 18:07.14 | Artemis3 | but ppl love using apt-get~ |
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| 18:08.21 | LRN | i take it that uninstalling the kernel that i'm currently running under is a bad idea? |
| 18:08.31 | babilen | Artemis3: Both apt-get and aptitude behave the same in that regard due to the settings in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove* |
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| 18:08.38 | babilen | LRN: It is indeed |
| 18:08.55 | babilen | LRN: Reinstall or resize that partition -- I mean how much storage do you have in that box? |
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| 18:11.49 | LRN | enough |
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| 18:12.02 | LRN | but Debian picked / size when i installed it, not me |
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| 18:12.16 | LRN | that was some years ago |
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| 18:13.57 | babilen | LRN: Always double-check your actions, but then if you have space: Boot up a live CD and resize that. Shouldn't be much of a problem (don't forget to backup and fsck your filesystems beforehand) |
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| 18:37.10 | laubosslink | hi everybody, is there developer here? would like to know why there is no mysql-cluster package ? |
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| 18:37.26 | greenit | hi, does anyone know if KDE 5 is coming to unstable / testing before the feature-freeze? |
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| 18:38.15 | DanDare | Hello. Debian mirrors are audited? Or, theres any automatic checking to guarantee they are all OK ? |
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| 18:42.16 | The | Newbie question, can I install a multiple distro and have the lastest features of unstable and if something doesn't works fine downgrade the package? |
| 18:42.27 | The | Or If I have unstable everything must be unstable packages? |
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| 18:47.41 | Lis | is it ok to lie, if you need a job? newb |
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| 18:49.45 | DanDare | laubosslink, https://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/MysqlCluster https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560244 |
| 18:50.08 | DanDare | just that I think: nobody got it going yet |
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| 18:52.15 | ompaul | Lis: and get sacked and a bad reputation and a gap you can't explain in your employment record |
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| 18:52.26 | ompaul | Lis: I guess you have to think it through |
| 18:52.41 | Lis | ompaul, get a van. let em run. |
| 18:52.58 | DanDare | Lis, lie about skills you dont have? Forget it |
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| 18:53.18 | Lis | the iron pipe. |
| 18:53.47 | Lis | damn i forgot the translation for pipe |
| 18:54.17 | Lis | interresting how pipes transform pressure into ortogonal force. |
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| 18:55.45 | Lis | some how wales do the same. |
| 18:56.06 | Lis | math is free. |
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| 18:57.39 | ompaul | Lis: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 18:59.14 | laubosslink | DanDare: So you mean they wait a person which contribue on this ? |
| 18:59.15 | jhutchins | LRN: Reasizing is easy without LVM, lvm adds at least two steps. |
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| 18:59.34 | Lis | nah i thought i wrote in #defocus, sorry. |
| 18:59.47 | DanDare | laubosslink, that's how it usually works. If nobody can help there, how it's supposed to be made? |
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| 19:00.43 | laubosslink | DanDare: ok, i've never contribute on official debian package, don't really know how it works :) |
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| 19:01.08 | laubosslink | DanDare: what RFP mean ? |
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| 19:01.27 | laubosslink | DanDare: release for package ? |
| 19:01.31 | DanDare | laubosslink, me neither. Im not a developer. But there is a channel of debian devs, you can try asking there |
| 19:01.38 | DanDare | laubosslink, sorry, I dont know ... |
| 19:02.00 | laubosslink | DanDare: ok thanks :) what is chanel ? |
| 19:02.19 | DanDare | laubosslink, this looks like a good start I think https://www.debian.org/intro/help.en.html |
| 19:02.41 | DanDare | laubosslink, cant remember the channel exact name :p |
| 19:03.03 | DanDare | I guess its on OFTC IRC network, not sure though |
| 19:03.17 | DanDare | but I think freenode got some also, again, not well sure :p |
| 19:03.22 | jhutchins | DanDare: Which channel are you looking for? |
| 19:03.36 | DanDare | jhutchins, laubosslink debian developers |
| 19:03.55 | DanDare | jhutchins, sorry, laubosslink want to know debian developers channel |
| 19:04.02 | jhutchins | DanDare: I'm pretty sure there's one on oftc.net, maybe #debian-mentors? |
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| 19:04.35 | jhutchins | laubosslink: You can use /alis debian on oftc.net, should turn up a bunch (some of which are actually active). |
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| 19:05.06 | jhutchins | laubosslink: http://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 19:05.48 | jhutchins | laubosslink: RFP is either Request For Proposal or Request For Packaging. |
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| 19:08.11 | junka | do i have to remove first the package i want to backport? |
| 19:08.18 | junka | or it does not matter? |
| 19:08.40 | laubosslink | jhutchins: thanks for all |
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| 19:12.31 | jhutchins | junka: The backport works the same as a regular package update. |
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| 19:34.21 | junka | is it ok to have "stable" on my sources rather than wheezy? |
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| 19:35.03 | Ilyas | test |
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| 19:35.47 | DanDare | junka, if you do it. I guess it will start merging/swapping packages when the next release becomes stable |
| 19:36.03 | jaybe | junka, it's "ok" - yes - however, note- as soon as 'testing' becomes the new 'stable' ... your next apt update/upgrade will proceed without you asking: e.g. apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 19:36.53 | junka | i like that |
| 19:37.08 | n2diy | Is update manager broken? I have two systems that are telling me there are 38 updates available, and when I start update manager, it hangs while building the data structures. Top indicates the update manager is using 99% of the CPU, but nothing is happening? Both systems are running 7.5. |
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| 19:37.49 | junka | maybe it needs input from the user |
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| 19:38.00 | ElDiabolo | ompaul, Installing wheezy from scratch while keeping /home was reasonable. I am on my polluting the fresh package dependencies :9 |
| 19:38.02 | tecdroid | hi there... |
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| 19:38.14 | ElDiabolo | ompaul, Thx. |
| 19:38.20 | DammitJim | is there a more effective way of looking up information about files on a folder from a remote server using samba? |
| 19:38.41 | DammitJim | I don't know why I get this feeling that maybe there should be web services handling this instead of a bunch of samba shares |
| 19:39.32 | tecdroid | seems i have broken something with my graphics driver (tp edge 535, amd + radeon) on jessie + xfce. basically, graphics works but acpi doesn't and i can't figure out what i made wrong.. any suggestions? |
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| 19:41.01 | tecdroid | but as far as i know, i ran the amdcatalyst and something went wrong.. |
| 19:41.22 | tecdroid | is there any global repair/reconfigure i could start? ;) |
| 19:41.28 | ElDiabolo | By the way I now have something very few people have. A working wheezy multicard multiseat :) |
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| 19:45.33 | tecdroid | congrats, ElDiabolo but i think, this doesn't solve my problem ; |
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| 19:45.39 | tecdroid | ;) |
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| 19:47.44 | ElDiabolo | tecdroid, Just feeling somewhat proud. No really good idea on your problem, except for read Xorg.log and dmesg. |
| 19:47.58 | ElDiabolo | But thats not really an idea. |
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| 19:49.02 | ElDiabolo | How do you know acpi is broken? |
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| 19:50.33 | tecdroid | well, acpi doesn't allow wakeup, my battery has no capacity anymore, battery status is somewhat... |
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| 19:50.49 | tecdroid | at least, it's got to do with that dumb amd cathalyst.. |
| 19:52.10 | tecdroid | i don't want to reinstall the system.. rather want to learn what's wrong and repair it.. |
| 19:52.18 | tecdroid | but i'm gettin' old.. ^^ |
| 19:52.52 | ElDiabolo | tecdroid, Yeah, when I was younger things were easier, too :) |
| 19:53.02 | tecdroid | ;) |
| 19:53.34 | ElDiabolo | tecdroid, What does amdcatalyst do? Write an xorg.conf ? |
| 19:54.49 | ElDiabolo | tecdroid, What was a challenge when I was younger is a drag now. |
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| 19:57.41 | tecdroid | not only, it also installs some opengl stuff, xserver, etc. |
| 19:58.04 | tecdroid | maybe it's own acpi... ? |
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| 20:00.19 | n2diy | Is update manager broken? I have two systems that are telling me there are 38 updates available, and when I start update manager, it hangs while building the data structures. Top indicates the update manager is using 99% of the CPU, but nothing is happening? Both systems are running 7.5. |
| 20:00.19 | ElDiabolo | tecdroid, What does your Xorg.log.0 say? What is in your xorg.conf? |
| 20:00.34 | tecdroid | or at least some lib, acpi uses.. |
| 20:00.37 | tecdroid | mom |
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| 20:02.10 | babilen | n2diy: Mind showing us the output of "head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}" and that of "aptitude search '~U'" after running "apt-get update" ? |
| 20:02.13 | babilen | (on http://paste.debian.net) |
| 20:02.18 | tecdroid | it uses ati as driver.. |
| 20:03.00 | tecdroid | or rather.. it has no section.. so it makes an educated quess... |
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| 20:05.12 | n2diy | babilen, I have to be at work in an hour, but running apt-get update is a good idea, maybe it will give some output as to what is going on? |
| 20:05.32 | tecdroid | don't really get it.. there's at least no real error in my Xorg.0.log |
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| 20:06.02 | ElDiabolo | tecdroid, ati driver means it is not using catalyst: http://www.x.org/wiki/ati/ |
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| 20:06.41 | babilen | tecdroid: See https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary for information on the fglrx driver and <radeon> on the open one -- /msg dpkg radeon |
| 20:06.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell ElDiabolo -about empty xorg.conf |
| 20:07.11 | babilen | ElDiabolo: There *should* be nothing in ones xorg.conf these days ;) |
| 20:07.32 | tecdroid | as # NOXORGCONFEXISTED: No X.org configuration file existed when this backup was created. |
| 20:08.05 | tecdroid | well, afaik, radeon is blacklisted in my modules.. |
| 20:08.17 | tecdroid | so it should use .. what? fglrx? |
| 20:08.49 | ElDiabolo | babilen, Just that there shouldn't doesn't mean there isn't. |
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| 20:09.35 | babilen | It wouldn't use fglrx by default and you would have to explicitly configure that. What does "aptitude seaarch '~i~nfglrx'" and "head -v -n -0 /etc/xorg.conf{,.d/*}" give you tecdroid ? |
| 20:09.40 | ElDiabolo | babilen, AFAIK for proprietary drivers you still need one. |
| 20:10.13 | babilen | You shouldn't use /etc/X11/xorg.conf though but create a specific file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ -- See https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Configuration for details |
| 20:11.28 | tecdroid | first, glx-alternative-fglrx is installed.. and my xorg.conf is empty.. btw. it's under /etc/X11 |
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| 20:11.54 | tecdroid | additionally, i don't own an xorg.conf.d.. ?? |
| 20:11.57 | tecdroid | but why? |
| 20:12.06 | ElDiabolo | tecdroid, See (as babilen pointed out) https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#configure - do you have something like that? |
| 20:12.28 | babilen | tecdroid: Would you mind running the commands I just mentioned and show the output on http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 20:13.09 | tecdroid | shure.. |
| 20:13.13 | babilen | Feel free to throw in your /var/log/apt/history.log if you want us to take a look at your current package management actions |
| 20:14.25 | tecdroid | here it is.. http://paste.debian.net/114959/ |
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| 20:14.28 | n2diy | babilen, I installed the updates through synaptic. |
| 20:14.55 | tecdroid | you don't really want to see that history, babilen.. one moment.. i'll paste it |
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| 20:17.06 | babilen | n2diy: So, all is good now? |
| 20:17.11 | tecdroid | http://paste.debian.net/114960/ for my history |
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| 20:18.14 | tecdroid | tried to reinstall some packages in hope to accidently repair some broken config or just reinstall some replaced file.. |
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| 20:18.55 | babilen | tecdroid: Okay, looks as if you installed fglrx at one point and decided to remove it later on -- Please follow the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary to install the driver. |
| 20:19.03 | babilen | Btw, wtf for that history. |
| 20:19.17 | babilen | Did you, at any point, use the installer script provided by AMD? |
| 20:19.21 | tecdroid | as i said.. you don't want to see it.. |
| 20:19.24 | babilen | :) |
| 20:19.31 | tecdroid | yes i did.. and it blew up.. |
| 20:19.47 | babilen | Well, at least I know now that you *did* tinker with fglrx before. |
| 20:19.49 | babilen | Okay ... |
| 20:19.54 | babilen | That is the reason why everything is shite now |
| 20:20.16 | tecdroid | that's what i suggested, too ;) you haven't been with us as i said that.. |
| 20:20.35 | babilen | These installers just mess up the symlinks Debian relies on to get the correct libGL in there. |
| 20:20.52 | babilen | dpkg: remove ati |
| 20:20.52 | dpkg | Executing /usr/share/ati/amd-uninstall.sh (as root) may assist in the removal of the AMD Catalyst installer from amd.com. |
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| 20:21.13 | babilen | But who knows in what state *that* one is by now :-/ |
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| 20:21.42 | tecdroid | at least, it exists.. |
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| 20:22.04 | babilen | Seriously, the number of times that people come in *here* to get help because they blew up their system by using some broken shirt party script is .. well .. too high |
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| 20:22.40 | tecdroid | sorry for that ;) |
| 20:22.40 | babilen | tecdroid: In the end I can only suggest to take it to #ati and ask them about the best way to clean up their mess and then follow the instructions on the Debian wiki |
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| 20:23.10 | n2diy | babilen, seems to be, see what happens when another update arrives? |
| 20:23.15 | tecdroid | okay, i'll try my very best.. |
| 20:23.17 | babilen | It's okay - I can understand how it happens, but it's just that I can't help but think: "But but but ... we have it packages all nicely and this is really not our fault ..." ;) |
| 20:23.51 | babilen | n2diy: Well, there is no way we can debug anything right now. I hope your system is fine and may you have nice day |
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| 20:23.59 | tecdroid | :) |
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| 20:24.53 | tecdroid | at least, i got an idea what's wrong.. asking at #ati.. tomorrow.. can't keep my eyes open any longer.. |
| 20:24.53 | skr | someone here did manage to get kvm vga passthrough successfully? |
| 20:25.00 | tecdroid | thanks for all |
| 20:25.15 | n2diy | babilen, ran update manager from the system menu, it behaved, and reported I'm up to date. |
| 20:25.43 | tecdroid | especcially for your patience ;) bye |
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| 20:42.46 | hegemoOn | hello |
| 20:42.51 | hegemoOn | i have trouble on SID |
| 20:43.04 | hegemoOn | to modify the maxopenfile |
| 20:43.14 | hegemoOn | from /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 20:43.24 | hegemoOn | i change the value for * |
| 20:43.31 | hegemoOn | and when i logout and relog |
| 20:43.34 | babilen | dpkg: enter |
| 20:43.35 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 20:43.37 | hegemoOn | the hard limit it still the same |
| 20:46.34 | hegemoOn | babilen: ok then i will press enter less, but do you have any hint ? |
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| 20:47.27 | squisher | hegemoOn, maybe there's an explicit ulimit somewhere? |
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| 20:48.32 | babilen | hegemoOn: It should have worked -- could you come and join us in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and paste your limits.conf and check if you set limits explicitly in some session/shell startup scripts? |
| 20:48.41 | babilen | It is, after all, per login :) |
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| 20:53.21 | hegemoOn | i log in the remote server via ssh |
| 20:53.30 | hegemoOn | may be sshd is limiting |
| 20:54.47 | squisher | hegemoOn, that would be the above mentioned shell startup script |
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| 20:58.13 | hegemoOn | http://paste.debian.net/114967/ |
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| 21:00.28 | ToApolytoXaos | guys, i don't know what happened, but for some reason my sound would go swinging while playing a song...as if a normalization mechanism is running along with my track and increases / decreases the song on its own O.o |
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| 21:00.38 | ToApolytoXaos | has anyone else noticed a similar thing? |
| 21:00.54 | ToApolytoXaos | debian testing 64-bit with the latest updates installe |
| 21:00.55 | ToApolytoXaos | d |
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| 21:01.50 | centrx | maybe it's a really swinging song |
| 21:01.55 | ToApolytoXaos | lol |
| 21:02.17 | ToApolytoXaos | that would make sense, but i'm sure Monuments it's not a swinging band :D |
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| 21:14.01 | jhutchins | ToApolytoXaos: I'm kind of guessing that you're talking about the volume increasing and decreasing. What are you using to play the song? Where is the music file located? What other processes are running? |
| 21:14.31 | teclo- | Hi, looks like avidemux has disappeared from Debian 7.0. What should I use to edit videos ? |
| 21:14.37 | ToApolytoXaos | it happens with mplayer2, smplayer, VideoLAN |
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| 21:16.55 | ToApolytoXaos | jhutchins, other processes that are running are the same that run for ages now every time this PC opens; pidgin, xchat, chromium, smplayer |
| 21:17.23 | hegemoOn | so may be someone here can help me with this ulimit trouble ? on the other chanel is idling |
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| 21:17.50 | jhutchins | hegemoOn: What other channel? |
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| 21:19.03 | hegemoOn | #debian-next on oftc |
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| 21:21.10 | yoLo_ | i have this font but my openoffice doesn't see it nor does my html editor |
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| 21:21.37 | yoLo_ | i know i could code them in the editor manually so it knows the path |
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| 21:22.12 | yoLo_ | i would i like my editor to recognize it automatically without having to set up the path |
| 21:22.17 | calisto | hi all I have a resolution of display are dispalse to left 2 cm, how can displase to rigth? |
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| 21:29.04 | nfk | just a quick check, debian does finally allow booting from xfs on lvm2, right? |
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| 21:29.19 | nfk | documentation would imply so but I remember there being problems with such setups |
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| 21:33.05 | rryoumaa | when i run grub-mkconfig, it generates system logs. how do i stop that? |
| 21:33.16 | nfk | alright, the installer is already scaring me - how does it know the machine's name? |
| 21:33.42 | nfk | rryoumaa, what do those logs contain? |
| 21:34.02 | rryoumaa | nfk: a whole bunch of things, such as os prober stuff |
| 21:34.43 | rryoumaa | and things like Aug 10 23:31:28 mymachine kernel: [805597.977309] FAT-fs (sda4): Can't find a valid FAT filesystem |
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| 21:35.51 | rryoumaa | and things like Aug 10 23:33:15 mymachine 40grub2: debug: parsing: menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64' --class debian --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os { |
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| 21:36.07 | nfk | nothing to worry about |
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| 21:36.29 | nfk | it's not like "imma implant some bad stuff and then dial cops" |
| 21:36.30 | rryoumaa | they are something to worry about because they clog my logs every time i run mkconfig |
| 21:36.45 | nfk | then don't run it so often? |
| 21:36.54 | nfk | honestly, it's a no issue |
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| 21:37.03 | nfk | there's tons of programs out there writing stuff to your log |
| 21:37.05 | rryoumaa | the problem is not that they are worrisome log entries. the problem is htat there is no need to log because grub.cfg was not created. |
| 21:37.16 | nfk | what? |
| 21:37.26 | rryoumaa | logs should be for things that make a difference, not for "oh hi i feel like being chatty about random stuff you are doing" |
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| 21:37.53 | nfk | it's the normal output but in your case it's being directed at syslog instead of stdo |
| 21:37.54 | rryoumaa | grub-mkconfig does not create grub.cfg. it sends to standard output. therefore, it does not affect the system in any way. |
| 21:38.01 | nfk | no idea why but sounds like you haven't seen a real issue |
| 21:38.08 | nfk | it's not like you run that thing every day, honestly |
| 21:38.31 | rryoumaa | i get that it's not an issue for you |
| 21:38.33 | nfk | rryoumaa, right, you just use > to direct it to the right place |
| 21:39.16 | rryoumaa | my question was how to turn off the system logging. if you don't have an answer, that's fine. but it sounds like you don't. |
| 21:39.22 | nfk | no, honestly, i have seen bunch of issues, like right now this box will not hibernate with 3.16.0 and the cause is not debugable - it just wakes up and then goes, well, i think like not working but everything is fine, no errors, bro |
| 21:39.27 | nfk | that's an issue |
| 21:39.56 | rryoumaa | nfk: you're not helping. let's you and i drop it. |
| 21:39.57 | nfk | a program clobbering your syslog every minute is an issue like a too chatty driver i have right now (but that's my own fault at configuring it such) |
| 21:40.14 | nfk | on the other hand grub-mkconfig being prnted to syslog is a silly issue |
| 21:40.34 | rryoumaa | ... |
| 21:40.59 | nfk | you can even filter it out with grep -v "whatever" |
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| 21:44.02 | cd2mp3 | can anyone recommend me an easy to use and currently developed gui app that will let me convert the audio CD I bought into mp3? |
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| 21:44.33 | nfk | cd2mp3, first, do not use MP3, second, K3b is a fine ripper, i think |
| 21:44.42 | sebastian3 | cd2mp3: python |
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| 21:44.57 | nfk | But nowadays even clementine, i think, can rip CDs - in the end backend is always cdparanoia or something |
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| 21:45.14 | sebastian3 | cd2mp3: nvm, i misread your question |
| 21:45.19 | davexunit | hello all. I'm a testing user, and I recently dist-upgraded and now have systemd on my system. However, sysvinit is still active, and some strange things happen because of service clashes between both init systems. is there any documentation for migrating fully to systemd? |
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| 21:45.47 | sebastian3 | nfk: what do you recommend instead of mp3? |
| 21:46.04 | nfk | cd2mp3, consider FLAC for music and it you really can't use that, then use Vorbis and if not that, then AAC - even hardware players support that |
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| 21:46.12 | davexunit | for an example of a clash, I have to `service networking stop` in order for wifi to work. |
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| 21:46.41 | cd2mp3 | what is the difference between AAC and a 320K mp3? |
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| 21:46.47 | nfk | Vorbis (with a good encoder!) is your best bed for lossy codec and FLAC is great for lossless |
| 21:47.22 | nfk | cd2mp3, first, do not use 320kbps MP3 - it's stupid, FLAC at twice to thrice of that wil lbe lossless |
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| 21:47.31 | cd2mp3 | my old nokia mobile (from 2007!) can only play mp3 |
| 21:47.40 | nfk | second, Vorbis and AAC wil lstill be better at even something like 192 kbps, from the top of my head |
| 21:47.54 | sebastian3 | nfk: interesting, because I've almost never seen flac formats. Websites that have, for example, podcasts or recorded audio usually put out mp3s |
| 21:48.01 | nfk | ... |
| 21:48.14 | nfk | i have not seen MP3 downloads in years |
| 21:48.39 | nfk | and I always rip CDs for my mom in FLAC or Vorbis (because I don't care about her language training CDs) |
| 21:48.40 | cd2mp3 | nfk, i will not convert to 192K mp3, 320K mp3 is the minimum i can accept |
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| 21:48.49 | sebastian3 | relative to where one looks, but yes, I still see a lot of mp3 |
| 21:48.59 | cd2mp3 | nfk, my old nokia mobile (from 2007!) can only play mp3 |
| 21:49.01 | nfk | cd2mp3, again, i never said 192 kbps MP3 |
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| 21:49.08 | nfk | i said, Vorbis or AAC |
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| 21:49.19 | binaryhermit | I... umm... try to download in FLAC and convert to Vorbis |
| 21:49.31 | binaryhermit | I'm unusually picky about that |
| 21:49.33 | nfk | and actually 160 kbps of those will be perfectly fine, but at 192 they should outperform 320 kbps MP3 as long as you aren't crazy |
| 21:49.37 | cd2mp3 | nfk, my old nokia mobile (from 2007!) can only play mp3, it can not plat vorbis or AAC |
| 21:49.54 | mengesb | is there a guide on using apt-mirror to sync over files required for running a netinstall from my own local mirror? |
| 21:49.56 | nfk | bulls*it |
| 21:50.07 | nfk | my nokia from 2005 can play AAC perfectly fine |
| 21:50.18 | nfk | in fact, Nokia should be among the companies that developed AAC |
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| 21:50.48 | nfk | and if its your old, then you don't really use it, do you? |
| 21:50.59 | llameadrpc | Why can't I download/view the changelogs on today's security upgrades on kerberos and libav? |
| 21:51.07 | nfk | also music really drains at least my mobile phone so i really doubt you are using it for your music consoumption |
| 21:51.12 | sebastian3 | also interesting, I may have done something wrong, but I once tried converting flv to aac, and the audio was terrible. Converted it to m4a and worked much better |
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| 21:51.18 | llameadrpc | wheezy |
| 21:51.28 | nfk | flv is a container |
| 21:51.32 | nfk | not a codec |
| 21:51.42 | nfk | also flv is very likely AAC to begin with |
| 21:51.42 | cedwardsmedia | anyone here an âexpertâ in home gigabit networks? |
| 21:51.52 | nfk | define expert |
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| 21:52.36 | nfk | i have done 600-800 Mbps between this box and the laptop without special setup and just a crosswire, does that count? |
| 21:52.37 | cedwardsmedia | nfk: someone who can help me figure out why Iâm not getting Gigabit speeds after trying everything I can possibly think of |
| 21:52.47 | nfk | cedwardsmedia, hardware |
| 21:52.48 | cedwardsmedia | lol close enough :p |
| 21:53.01 | nfk | basically most routers are POS |
| 21:53.03 | llameadrpc | What's the switching speed on the router? |
| 21:53.22 | cedwardsmedia | itâs an AirPort Extreme so itâs Gigabit |
| 21:53.33 | nfk | i mean the real speed |
| 21:53.40 | cedwardsmedia | lemme check |
| 21:53.49 | nfk | good hardware has its swithing and routing speed declared |
| 21:54.13 | nfk | and even with fairly expensive small business grade stuff I don't think it ever goes above 800 Mbps or so |
| 21:54.22 | sebastian3 | nfk: so if I wanted to rip the audio from an flv file (into flac, aac), what's the best way to go about that. And what about m4a? |
| 21:54.38 | nfk | sebastian3, don't |
| 21:54.40 | nfk | honestly, don't |
| 21:54.47 | llameadrpc | One of my clients has 200 Meg internet but only a 100 Meg switch. |
| 21:54.48 | nfk | flv is flash video file |
| 21:55.04 | nfk | it alredy contains lossly compressed audio (and vidoe) |
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| 21:55.06 | nfk | *video |
| 21:55.10 | nfk | trying to recompress that is gonna be bad |
| 21:55.14 | nfk | just do not do that |
| 21:55.32 | sebastian3 | nfk: mp4? |
| 21:55.33 | nfk | the only reason would be if you needed to further work on that track like filter it or something |
| 21:55.34 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell nfk about enter |
| 21:55.41 | nfk | and even then it's a terribly bad thing to do |
| 21:55.47 | nfk | mp4 is a container |
| 21:55.49 | cedwardsmedia | nfk: as we speak, Iâm only getting 100 Mbps speeds out of this LAN so something is far from right. hang tight while I check the speed on the router |
| 21:55.50 | nfk | it's not a codec |
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| 21:56.35 | sebastian3 | nfk: I guess the right question is, how would I extract the audio from flv or mp4 |
| 21:56.38 | nfk | cedwardsmedia, then i'd start by checking something isn't in 100 Mbps mode |
| 21:57.09 | nfk | sebastian3, ffmpeg/libav/mplayer? |
| 21:57.13 | nfk | there's countless ways |
| 21:57.29 | nfk | a good program should even be able to import it natively |
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| 21:57.44 | sebastian3 | nfk: Okay, but you're just saying you don't recommend it as far as quality goes? |
| 21:57.46 | nfk | like Audacious that's built with ffmpeg except debian probably has that broken |
| 21:58.05 | nfk | sebastian3, lossy means stuff was discared in encoding that file |
| 21:58.25 | nfk | with dumb codecs like MP3 it's gonna do that again on the second encode |
| 21:58.41 | nfk | with smarter codecs it won't but there will still be data loss anyway, just not as bad |
| 21:58.50 | sebastian3 | ok |
| 21:59.08 | nfk | as a rule of thumb you do not re-encode lossy stuff to lossy |
| 21:59.27 | nfk | and encoding to lossless would be silly - larger filesize and no practical gains |
| 21:59.43 | rysiek|pl | well, that's amusing: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nokia-Chooses-Bizarre-Debian-Red-Color-Name-for-Its-Windows-Phone-Firmware-454521.shtml# |
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| 22:00.03 | nfk | it's sometimes used by quality freaks if source needed filtering to at least avoid further degrading of quality but, yeah, otherwise it's stupid and pointless |
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| 22:06.48 | nfk | sebastian3, another way to go about it would be to understand why you even need to extract a track from a file |
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| 22:10.48 | berag | hello |
| 22:10.58 | berag | so basically, i hate linux |
| 22:11.00 | berag | but, |
| 22:11.17 | berag | could i install linux and use all my windows apps with wine? |
| 22:11.22 | berag | so it would feel same like windows? |
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| 22:11.38 | joshh20 | No berag get out of here if you hate Linux |
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| 22:11.46 | poprocks | ::sigh:: This is why I should never leave ##slackware... |
| 22:11.52 | berag | joshh20 i have valid reasons to hate it |
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| 22:12.03 | dondelelcaro | berag: windows isn't on topic here. |
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| 22:14.14 | nfk | berag, good for you, now go on using your belowed windows |
| 22:14.20 | nfk | i hate windows which is why i do not use it |
| 22:14.48 | poprocks | berag: Thankfully, these massive amounts of disk space we have these days are not ROM. Try different OSes. See what works for you. If you like Windows, use it. If you like Linux, use it. I don't see the point of running Linux if you're just going to use it to emulate Windows |
| 22:15.26 | nfk | btw, i'm too stupid to install debian on lvm2 |
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| 22:17.11 | dondelelcaro | folks, please don't feed the troll. |
| 22:17.21 | sebastian3 | berag: I think it's safe to assume you're reason to hate linux is because you don't understand it |
| 22:17.25 | poprocks | True, true... |
| 22:17.27 | dondelelcaro | sebastian3: stop. |
| 22:18.16 | sebastian3 | dondelelcaro: sorry I was the only one |
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| 22:19.49 | dondelelcaro | sebastian3: no worries; you were just the one who continued after my warning. |
| 22:20.05 | tsam | Hi. |
| 22:20.24 | dondelelcaro | nfk: the installer should do the installation on LVM for you if you select it.. |
| 22:20.32 | sebastian3 | that was RIGHT after your warning which i wasn't aware of because i was typing. I understand though |
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| 22:20.58 | tsam | I have a weird bug. My X works (at least it starts). My keyboard and my mouse work (in tty). But when i start X, the mouse and the keyboard are non-responsive. |
| 22:20.58 | nfk | where? under partition setup i see configure lvm2 but no way to actually tell it to use those logical volumes for anything |
| 22:21.18 | tsam | I can't even do ctrl+alt+F1 to get back to tty. |
| 22:21.22 | nfk | i even made a new lv_test to make sure i'm not missing anything and it didn't even make that volume usable not to mention the existing volumes |
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| 22:21.32 | dondelelcaro | nfk: once you've created the logical volumes, you can select them as mountpoints. |
| 22:21.41 | nfk | where? |
| 22:21.42 | tsam | The only optin is to reboot or to ssh and kill X. |
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| 22:21.57 | dondelelcaro | nfk: after you finish configuring LVM, the main partitioning menu will have them all there |
| 22:22.02 | tsam | Any idea why it would do that? |
| 22:22.07 | nfk | tsam, sounds familiar, from about 2008 |
| 22:22.12 | nfk | debian stale at its best? |
| 22:22.24 | nfk | dondelelcaro, does not |
| 22:22.26 | tsam | And X is not frozen. If I strace it, I see lot of things happening. |
| 22:22.36 | nfk | only has the partition with the physical volume which is marked K for keep |
| 22:22.43 | dondelelcaro | nfk: it'll look like this: http://www.digrouz.com/mediawiki/images/Ubuntu-lvm-install-04-small.png |
| 22:22.47 | nfk | maybe it's because i used the netinstall? |
| 22:22.52 | dondelelcaro | nfk: doesn't matter |
| 22:23.17 | tsam | nfk: unfortunately it's still happening to me in 2014. :) As for the next line, (debian stale) if it was for me, I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean. |
| 22:23.30 | nfk | stable - stale |
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| 22:23.39 | nfk | honestly, the current stale kernel is what, 3.2? |
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| 22:23.44 | nfk | that's like 3 years old? |
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| 22:24.19 | tsam | Oh that was not for me nvm. |
| 22:24.23 | nfk | tsam, i recall issue like yours and it had something to do with either early evdev or not using evdev when you should have been using it or something |
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| 22:24.54 | tsam | Hm and the only error I have in Xorg.0.log is "(EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols". I'm not sure it's related (forums reporting this error have completly different issues). |
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| 22:25.05 | nfk | or not using xorg auto configuration with evdev or something |
| 22:25.24 | nfk | that would break your 3D |
| 22:25.30 | jmcnaught | nfk: if you're just guessing you don't really need to say anything at all |
| 22:25.34 | nfk | you sure the Xorg itself does not hang? |
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| 22:26.32 | nfk | dondelelcaro, yep, no lvm2 logical volumes volumes in that dialogue |
| 22:26.35 | nfk | -volumes |
| 22:26.46 | jmcnaught | tsam: you could put a copy of your Xorg.0.log on http://paste.debian.net. Are you using proprietary video drivers, did you install them with the Debian packages? |
| 22:26.56 | nfk | i had that same issue some years ago which is why i ended up with kubuntu but now kubuntu is kinda broken |
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| 22:27.32 | poprocks | tsam: Are you running xorg with or without an xorg.conf? If you're using one you might want to post a copy of that to http://paste.debian.net as well |
| 22:28.09 | tsam | nfk: I never heard of edev, I'll check that. And it doesn't seem to hang, since strace on X is verbose. stace on i3 is in a perpetual "epoll_wait(5," state. But is it really hanged or is this jsut becase it doesn't get any keyboard or mouse inputs? |
| 22:28.15 | jmcnaught | nfk: you could try using the guided LVM method and see what it ends up with |
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| 22:28.51 | tsam | poprocks: I removed the xorg.cong as advised in this very channel few days ago (also automatic tools created some new empty xorg.conf file afterwards). |
| 22:29.45 | poprocks | That's a good point too. tsam, are you able to ssh into the machine while it's stuck in inputless X? |
| 22:30.33 | tsam | poprocks: yes. |
| 22:31.25 | tsam | Here is the Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/114981/ |
| 22:31.47 | tsam | And I use the proprietary video drivers installed with the Debian packages, yes. |
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| 22:32.34 | nfk | jmcnaught, i'm afraid i do not want to nuke the win7 because reinstalling it might be pain |
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| 22:33.37 | nfk | not impossible but i'd get to e-mail the local MSDN AA rep to get a renal and then i'd get to bittorrent the corresponding image (wait, i can actually download from the working win7, except i don't trust it much) |
| 22:34.06 | nfk | i do have the image i used to install but knowing MS the key is long non-viable for new installation because it's fairly old |
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| 22:34.39 | nfk | *renewal |
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| 22:35.09 | jmcnaught | tsam: if you're using nvidia or amd proprietary drivers you would need to have an xorg.conf file. from the log you pasted it looks like you're currently using an Intel GPU. Is this an Nvidia Optimus system? |
| 22:36.02 | jmcnaught | nfk: too much information :) Alternatively you could practice installing Debian with LVM in a virtual machine until you figure out it. |
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| 22:36.19 | nfk | i wanted to do that but latest libvirtdi is basically broken |
| 22:36.23 | nfk | *shakes fist* |
| 22:37.27 | tsam | jmcnaught: as far as I understand it has an intel + and AMD chip (lspci gives me [AMD/ATI] Whistler [Radeon HD 6630M/6650M/6750M/7670M/7690M] + Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller) |
| 22:37.45 | tsam | I tried /usr/lib/fglrx/switchlibglx intel and /usr/lib/fglrx/switchlibglx amd, but neither worked. |
| 22:38.27 | tsam | I'm trying again from start. |
| 22:38.38 | squisher | hm, does anyone know an alternative to gmusicfs? I want to download some music I bought over google, but I'm getting 403's instead of my files (and the project is not very active) :-\ |
| 22:38.39 | jmcnaught | tsam: there's nothing about "fglrx" in your Xorg.0.log. Take a look at the configuration here: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Configuration |
| 22:38.50 | tsam | Reinstalling fglrx-friver tells me to run aticonfig to generate xorg.congf |
| 22:39.27 | jmcnaught | tsam: the instructions on the wiki tell you the file to create and do not even mention "aticonfig" |
| 22:39.58 | cedwardsmedia | nfk: well I ruled out the router and/or switch being an issue. trying my NAS and my Mac on both didnât make an improvement in speed. Also checked the cables, both are Cat5e, and both devices are set to run in full speed. The NAS is rated for a max of 2.3 Gbps/300MBps |
| 22:40.38 | tsam | jmcnaught: ok thanks. I know this page (I already read it many times) but I guess I screwed up somewhere. And I relied to too many websites (some of the saying the exact opposite of the other). I'll try again from scratch from the wiki page. |
| 22:40.46 | jmcnaught | cedwardsmedia: gigabit ethernet requires cat6 cable from what i understand |
| 22:41.01 | nfk | can anyone recommend a good distro except Kubuntu? openSUSE EULA is not acceptable to me |
| 22:41.10 | poprocks | tsam: I take it it was working with open source drivers before? |
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| 22:41.20 | jmcnaught | tsam: always prefer documentation on official debian domains to information on random websites :) |
| 22:41.25 | cedwardsmedia | jmcnaught: from my research, Cat5e is the requirement but Cat6 âfuture-proofsâ the network for 10 Gbps + |
| 22:41.28 | jmcnaught | nfk: Debian :) |
| 22:41.29 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: Not necessarily. |
| 22:41.48 | nfk | jmcnaught, does not install (also I do not like how you have not investiaged two two likely implants into Debian) |
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| 22:42.44 | jmcnaught | cedwardsmedia: ahh.. i think you're right sorry :) |
| 22:42.59 | nfk | cedwardsmedia, Full Speed is 100 Mbps ;D |
| 22:43.05 | cedwardsmedia | jmcnaught: no worries, thatâs one of the first thing I checked lol |
| 22:43.13 | nfk | GigE is not called Full Speed |
| 22:43.35 | nfk | at least if my mind hasn't started glitching about terms |
| 22:43.35 | cedwardsmedia | nfk: lol yeah i know, too lazy to be technically corrent :p |
| 22:44.02 | cedwardsmedia | nfk: you could always fix your brain and submit a pull request :p |
| 22:44.11 | nfk | cedwardsmedia, basically if your NAS and mac also get only 100 Mbps then i'd say the hardware you have in-between them is at fault |
| 22:44.24 | cedwardsmedia | hm |
| 22:44.43 | cedwardsmedia | ya knowâ¦I *could* do an ad-hoc connection from the NAS to the Mac directly to rule that out for sure |
| 22:44.51 | cedwardsmedia | brb |
| 22:45.03 | nfk | cedwardsmedia, the easiest way to check actual performance might be to connect two devices that should be GigE directly over crossed cable (auto-mdix is very rare) and test the speed |
| 22:45.17 | jhutchins | cedwardsmedia: Does OSX have ethtool which will show you the specs of the negotiated connection? |
| 22:45.20 | nfk | as long as your NICs are decent, you will see 300-800 MBps |
| 22:45.41 | nfk | to get sustained 600-800 Mbps you need bufferbloat stuff, IIRC |
| 22:45.48 | nfk | like fq_codel |
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| 22:46.13 | jhutchins | nfk: I get over 900M from Google's speed test, and that's through two routers. |
| 22:46.25 | nfk | wow |
| 22:46.35 | nfk | first, wow about your hardware, and wow about your connection |
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| 22:46.58 | nfk | sure, my ISP does joke "we can give you gigE if you ask" but i don't really see any point in having anything that fast |
| 22:47.26 | jhutchins | nfk: My older systems only get 500-750, I think it's their physical HDs that are the limit. The HotRod has an ssd. |
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| 22:48.15 | tsam | poprocks: yes it was working but some graphic applicatons wouldn't even start and crash. |
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| 22:49.29 | nfk | jhutchins, it's common sense to transfer files from RAM to RAM during speed tests |
| 22:49.40 | nfk | or even just generate random stream for testing |
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| 22:50.08 | nfk | The easiest way is to copy to tmpfs and then from tpfs to tmpfs |
| 22:50.24 | nfk | naturally, swapping can happen but that's why you use a reasonably small file |
| 22:50.25 | jhutchins | Yeah, I'm using the online speedtests. |
| 22:50.57 | jhutchins | nfk: There could be other limiting factors on the older boxes as well. |
| 22:51.06 | nfk | like the NIC |
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| 22:51.31 | jhutchins | I tried swapping in a newer nic with the same chipset as the fast MB and it didn't do a thing. |
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| 22:52.00 | tsam | Ok so I reinstalled the driver, reinstalled /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf and rebooter (I didn't do the aticonfig --initial). Now X won't even start. :( When I do X, startx or xinit, I have "fatal server error: no screens found". /usr/lib/fglrx/switchlibglx intel or amd doesn't change anything. |
| 22:52.01 | jhutchins | So it's RAM or something in the browser's download technique. |
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| 22:52.31 | tsam | http://paste.debian.net/114983/ |
| 22:52.45 | nfk | tsam, if your hardware is supported by the open source driver, consider using that instead |
| 22:52.54 | tsam | Does that mean I need to add a screen section in xorg.conf? |
| 22:53.23 | tsam | nfk: unfortunately, some applications (like armagetronad and few other) won't start with the few drivers. :/ |
| 22:53.26 | nfk | tsam, for nvidia you need the device section |
| 22:53.29 | nfk | not sure about fglrx |
| 22:53.37 | jhutchins | !nvidia |
| 22:53.38 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:53.46 | tsam | Otherwise I would have 100% at the vrms test \o\ |
| 22:53.54 | tsam | !fglrx |
| 22:53.54 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon HD and FirePro graphic processing units. As of fglrx-driver 1:12-6~beta-1, R600 and R700 based GPUs (Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series) are no longer supported; ask me about <fglrx legacy> or use the <radeon> driver for device support. To install fglrx, see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>. |
| 22:54.08 | nfk | tsam, and you think fglrx will be any better? the open source driver is the only one who has better compatibility, afaik |
| 22:54.16 | jhutchins | D'Oh! |
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| 22:54.55 | tsam | nfk: as far as I remember with the proprietary version I was able to use it, not with the free version. |
| 22:54.59 | tsam | I can try again. |
| 22:55.05 | tsam | But I'm not really optimistic. :) |
| 22:55.25 | jmcnaught | tsam: your log says fglrx is version 14.10.2, have you at one point used the installer from the AMD website? |
| 22:55.28 | nfk | tsam, when is the world endng? fglrx working, i pray not |
| 22:55.36 | jmcnaught | judd: versions fglrx-driver |
| 22:55.37 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:13.12-4~bpo70+1; sid/non-free: 1:14.4.2-1; experimental/non-free: 1:14.6~betav1.0-1 |
| 22:55.51 | cedwardsmedia | nfk: who the hell do you have for an ISP? o.O |
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| 22:56.01 | nfk | a local company |
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| 22:56.30 | tsam | jmcnaught: I have used m-a a while ago. I'm starting to feel like it was a mistake. |
| 22:56.35 | nfk | i think the town network is running at something like 1.5 to maybe even over 2Gbps |
| 22:56.51 | nfk | actually, that's wrong |
| 22:56.56 | nfk | should be way more |
| 22:57.05 | tsam | It should be clean though, m-a li says it's empty. |
| 22:57.08 | nfk | anyway, 1G is probably not too much as long as it's only select few |
| 22:57.09 | jmcnaught | tsam: that could very well be the issue. the fglrx module that Xorg is trying to use is not the version from the package |
| 22:57.13 | cedwardsmedia | well, this is bizarre. OS X reports that it definitely has a Gbit link with the router and the switch, so now Iâm wondering about the NAS |
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| 22:57.57 | tsam | Hm. m-a li returns 'No data? You maybe want to run "module-assistant update" first.' even after a m-a update. |
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| 22:58.18 | nfk | cedwardsmedia, just connect two devices directly with crossed over cable, test the speed, then repeat via switch/router, if there's a drop, give the switch/router a hard stare |
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| 22:58.50 | nfk | note that switching should have little drop while routing or firewalling always has a noticeable penalty |
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| 22:59.37 | nfk | make that miniscule/negligible drop |
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| 23:30.19 | cedwardsmedia | holy fsck batman! Robin Williams is dead!? |
| 23:31.48 | nfk | did you react like that when jobs died too? |
| 23:33.10 | nfk | right, i thought that was roby williams, robin dying is fairly sad news indeed, sorry |
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| 23:33.48 | Polsaker | lol |
| 23:34.06 | nfk | this is not an appropriate moment for LOL |
| 23:34.48 | Cpuroast | Polsaker: robin williams was friggin brilliant, him dying is extremely sad news |
| 23:34.55 | Polsaker | I know |
| 23:35.06 | Polsaker | I just lol'd at the "holy fsck batman" thing. |
| 23:35.06 | Cpuroast | so don't fucking lol |
| 23:35.20 | cedwardsmedia | nfk: actually I did react like that when I heard Jobs died |
| 23:35.31 | nfk | mass psychosis |
| 23:35.43 | cedwardsmedia | nfk: sucks cuz I really wanted to meet him and shake his hand some day |
| 23:36.11 | cedwardsmedia | I hate to say it, but I kinda hope itâs just a publicity stunt. I mean, it wouldnât be the first time someone did that.â¦but idk, I canât see Robin doing that |
| 23:36.30 | cedwardsmedia | then again, current reports say the coroner ruled it as a suicide, and I canât see him doing that either, so who knows |
| 23:36.58 | daskychar | found this classic from 78 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsIh5z7oYyY |
| 23:37.02 | nfk | the worst part was how dennis ritchie's death got virtually muted because of jobs |
| 23:37.22 | cedwardsmedia | nfk: yeah, I hate when anyone gets overshadowed, but idk |
| 23:37.46 | daskychar | nfk: ya that was lame :( |
| 23:37.53 | jmcnaught | it's sad when any person dies, but maybe we should mourn and remember in #debian-offtopic |
| 23:38.43 | cedwardsmedia | jmcnaught: perhaps, but we should still have a moment of silence either way. then again, considering it was Robin WIlliams, heâd probably want us to have a moment of laughter, remembering his goofy-ass antics lol |
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| 23:39.24 | nfk | time to download something from him? |
| 23:39.30 | nfk | *with him |
| 23:39.43 | cedwardsmedia | download all teh things! |
| 23:39.56 | nfk | give me 4TB drives |
| 23:39.58 | nfk | multiple |
| 23:40.02 | cedwardsmedia | lol |
| 23:40.08 | nfk | else i can't upgrade my RAID6 |
| 23:40.27 | cedwardsmedia | my dad and I was just watched RV the other day xD |
| 23:40.32 | nfk | the only RAID out there |
| 23:40.40 | nfk | well, and RAID10 with 3 copies |
| 23:40.45 | cedwardsmedia | hard to watch anything with him in it while eating or drinkingâ¦your food or drink tends to fly back out through the nose |
| 23:40.50 | nfk | but that's rare and you will never see anyone but me recommending that |
| 23:41.11 | cedwardsmedia | have you ever shot spicy food out your nose before!? IT HURTS LIKE WINDOWS! |
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| 23:41.29 | nfk | cedwardsmedia, didn't you want a minute of silance? |
| 23:41.33 | daskychar | what is the most funny debian mistake you've ever seen or done? |
| 23:41.39 | nfk | *silence |
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| 23:41.52 | cedwardsmedia | si. we should give one |
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| 23:47.50 | cedwardsmedia | Requiescat in Pace Robin Williams. We miss you already. |
| 23:48.17 | tsam | Ok so I reinstalled the open source driver and I have the same issue: X starting, doing things. keyboard and mouse are not working. :/ |
| 23:48.34 | cedwardsmedia | daskychar: to answer your question, the dumbest debian mistake I ever made was trying to âconvert itâ to Ubuntu back when I first started with Linux xD |
| 23:48.41 | tsam | is desperate |
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| 23:48.59 | daskychar | hehe |
| 23:49.05 | nfk | it was either debian or freebsd that i nuked with rm -fr / |
| 23:49.08 | cedwardsmedia | daskychar wasnât very smart or pretty, seeing as I just changed all the repos to Ubuntu repos and tried doing it xD |
| 23:49.10 | nfk | back in the days when it really worked |
| 23:49.18 | nfk | yes, by mistake |
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| 23:49.32 | nfk | and last week, many, many years later i did that to /boot |
| 23:49.43 | nfk | good thing it has only files generated from rest of OS |
| 23:49.44 | cedwardsmedia | nfk: LOL a friend and I created a VM and installed Debian (or CentOS, canât remember which) in it just to rm -rf / |
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| 23:50.01 | nfk | cedwardsmedia, i have done that on a real PC |
| 23:50.10 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 23:50.15 | nfk | back when VMs were slow and unknown |
| 23:50.26 | cedwardsmedia | nfk: we wouldâve except we didnât have one to enjoy nuking without missing it and having to rebuild it |
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| 23:51.14 | nfk | how did you even do it? rm -fr / should be hardcoded to refuse deleting stuff, i think |
| 23:51.38 | nfk | nowadays, anyway |
| 23:51.57 | cedwardsmedia | some distros are builf to allow it no matter what, assuming you are root |
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