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| 00:00.44 | musca | !win32diskimager |
| 00:00.45 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
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| 00:01.43 | jmcnaught | BigMouthCommie: if it's just a video driver problem, you might also be able to boot into single user mode from the GRUB boot prompt |
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| 00:02.36 | sz112 | /quit/quit |
| 00:03.16 | raspberr_ | unity works and i like it |
| 00:03.20 | raspberr_ | but it rns really slow |
| 00:03.21 | raspberr_ | sadly |
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| 00:03.46 | rtreleaven | hello debian |
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| 00:04.42 | TJ- | raspberr_: Unity will run slow if you use it on a system that it isn't designed nor recommend for. Unity *requires* a 3D accelerated display driver and GPU in order to handle all the compositing effects. |
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| 00:05.49 | raspberr_ | well its a vm |
| 00:06.49 | abrotman | raspberr_: do you need help with Debian? Unity is not part of Debian |
| 00:07.00 | raspberr_ | it was an issue with getting git installed |
| 00:07.27 | BigMouthCommie | i'm in tty |
| 00:07.34 | BigMouthCommie | i'm torenting the lxde image |
| 00:08.22 | BigMouthCommie | i use makebootfat? |
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| 00:08.40 | BigMouthCommie | and dd once the iso is done? is there some mounting magic i need to cast? |
| 00:09.37 | jmcnaught | BigMouthCommie: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en (this entire guide is worth reading over :) |
| 00:09.47 | musca | !hybrid iso |
| 00:09.47 | dpkg | Since the 6.0 "Squeeze" release, Debian installation images for x86 systems - e.g. <netinst>, <CD1>, DVD1 - are hybrid images. These can be written directly to CD or HD Media (e.g. USB thumbdrive) without further preparation. See http://www.debian.org/News/project/2010/14/#hybrid for details. See also <install debian>, <usb install>. |
| 00:10.19 | BigMouthCommie | thank you |
| 00:10.24 | BigMouthCommie | can you tinyurl that for me? |
| 00:11.16 | jmcnaught | BigMouthCommie: http://tinyurl.com/pmg6g2l |
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| 00:11.59 | BigMouthCommie | THANK YOU |
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| 00:13.08 | BigMouthCommie | exactly what i need2read |
| 00:13.10 | BigMouthCommie | thank you |
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| 00:20.07 | BigMouthCommie | where is the log which shows devices being connected/disconnected? |
| 00:20.20 | BigMouthCommie | not mounting, mind you... |
| 00:20.54 | zro | anybody backported vim 7.4 from sid? i seem to be confused |
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| 00:21.47 | dvs | Now there's an odd request. |
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| 00:36.40 | Brigo | zro, what was the problem? |
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| 00:38.18 | cerebro | . |
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| 00:40.04 | david-user | hello all. New linux user here. I would like to know if I should be using apt-get or aptitude to update and manage my systems packages? |
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| 00:41.39 | abrotman | david-user: whichever works for you |
| 00:43.14 | david-user | they both seem to do the same job, but with some different syntax, was just wondering if there was a perfered way of doing things. |
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| 00:44.02 | dvs | david-user: only when upgrading to the next version of Debian. Otherwise, pick whichever one you want. |
| 00:45.20 | david-user | abrotman, Im currently reading through the debian FAQ manual and plan on reading "some" of the debian admin handbook. Im using debian on a secondary home pc. |
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| 00:46.27 | david-user | I will be upgrading to "unstable" because I would like the lastest packages while being able to report bugs when they come up. Do you have any other recomendations for me to prepare for unstable or some advice? |
| 00:46.32 | zRecursive | How to use KVM in debian ? |
| 00:46.52 | dvs | david-user: yeah, don't use unstable if you're a newbie. |
| 00:47.11 | zRecursive | i want to use KVM to run Windows XP |
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| 00:48.13 | david-user | well I am going to use unstable so that I wont remain a newbie. It seems that the best way to learn is when a true problem is presented, dont you argree? Because then theres a true motive! |
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| 00:48.52 | doublehp | rsync issue: http://pastebin.com/1ZXfgFcP why des it try to stat a file that I asked to exclude ? |
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| 00:53.56 | david-user | The Debian FAQ manual states this, "If you are a desktop user with some experience in Linux and does not mind facing the odd bug now and then, use unstable. It has all the latest and greatest software, and bugs are usually fixed swiftly. " I am this user. |
| 00:54.52 | dvs | odd bug? Like a nonfunctional system? |
| 00:55.26 | david-user | Hey Im just quoting the manual is all/ |
| 00:55.29 | abrotman | david-user: you almost certainly don't want to use unstable |
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| 00:55.47 | abrotman | david-user: 'jessie' perhaps .. |
| 00:56.07 | abrotman | and there are still odd bugs in jessie |
| 00:56.24 | dvs | but much less frequent |
| 00:56.41 | abrotman | and hopefully fewer of the "Oh noes, X is gone" |
| 00:57.32 | david-user | Please provide me with reasons, given i fit the user profile, know "a little" about linux, have a non-production desktop home PC. As for less fequent bugs in "testing" when it does break doesnt it take longer to fix then? |
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| 00:58.20 | david-user | read about that in the FAQ as well.. |
| 00:59.05 | AsumFace | the worst thing ever happened to my jessie machine was that a package upgrade made my half system non-functional |
| 00:59.16 | AsumFace | had to wait 6 hrs for a fix |
| 01:00.15 | AsumFace | s/my half system/half of my system/g :P |
| 01:00.35 | abrotman | david-user: the idea is that the bugs don't make it to testing |
| 01:00.44 | BigMouthCommie | is there something that uses curses that i can use to build a bootable debian lxde usb? |
| 01:01.14 | abrotman | david-user: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=155873 For instance .. Obviously, this is an old bug, but things do happen |
| 01:01.37 | abrotman | BigMouthCommie: what's wrong with using cat ? |
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| 01:04.02 | abrotman | david-user: and if you cannot operate Linux without Xorg .. you definitely shouldn't be using unstable |
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| 01:05.52 | abrotman | david-user: obviously, we cannot stop you .. "But you've been warned" :) |
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| 01:06.45 | BigMouthCommie | wait... how do i build the bootable disk? i've read the documentation, and the bit about the boot loader is confusing... |
| 01:07.35 | david-user | Okay, Would I be in a better state by upgrading to "testing", running that untill "I can operate Linux with Xorg", Does that seem more subtable? |
| 01:07.41 | BigMouthCommie | /dev/sdg1 has a small file called ldlinux.sys |
| 01:07.49 | abrotman | david-user: 'jessie', not testing |
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| 01:08.12 | abrotman | dpkg: tell david-user about wheezy->jessie |
| 01:08.19 | david-user | Yes but once Jessie becomes stable wont Ihave to upgrade again>? |
| 01:08.57 | david-user | if I follow testing I wont ever have upgrade because I will always be tracking testing, right? |
| 01:09.28 | BigMouthCommie | i'm not opposed to using cat... if you could explain it to me |
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| 01:09.35 | abrotman | david-user: 'testing' is generally considered a complete mess after 'testing' reopens after a release |
| 01:09.40 | abrotman | BigMouthCommie: this is clearly covered in the manual |
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| 01:09.49 | |oop | Try linux mint debian edition that runs off testing |
| 01:09.54 | BigMouthCommie | i must have the wrong link... |
| 01:10.10 | |oop | LMDE |
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| 01:10.17 | BigMouthCommie | what should i search for? |
| 01:10.21 | BigMouthCommie | lmgtfy? |
| 01:10.34 | david-user | so your telling me then, follow testing untill is becomes stable, then wait a month or two untill you upgrade to "New Testing CodeName"? |
| 01:10.37 | abrotman | |oop: you're in the wrong chnanel, please don't do that |
| 01:10.40 | |oop | Search for trotsky |
| 01:10.45 | abrotman | david-user: no, folllow 'jessie' |
| 01:11.08 | abrotman | BigMouthCommie: the same URL you were given 20 minutes ago |
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| 01:12.15 | |oop | It is debian though. Its not like ubuntu |
| 01:12.25 | |oop | Its hust testing |
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| 01:12.35 | abrotman | |oop: please don't do that again |
| 01:12.46 | BigMouthCommie | i'm reading it. i'm confused. |
| 01:12.50 | david-user | sorry ment this: so your telling me then, follow "Jessie" untill is becomes stable, then wait a month or two untill you upgrade to "New Testing CodeName"? |
| 01:12.55 | david-user | is that correct? |
| 01:12.56 | abrotman | david-user: yes |
| 01:13.23 | BigMouthCommie | i have to go to bed. try again later |
| 01:13.30 | david-user | makes sense, so then every day that goes by Jessie is become more stable/mature? |
| 01:13.44 | abrotman | david-user: ideally .. not always |
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| 01:14.34 | david-user | Well then with in mind, I have decided to go with Jessie for now at least. |
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| 01:15.58 | david-user | Let me now ask, Are there any specific resources, commands, utilitys, or websites, that I should know about in order to run "Jessie" . Bug reporting, ect,, stuff like that.... |
| 01:16.18 | abrotman | dpkg: tell david-user about reportbug |
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| 01:16.35 | david-user | thank you. |
| 01:16.46 | centrx | whoa I missed the answer |
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| 01:17.14 | codepython777 | is there a way to take a debian box and remove packages/files that are not necessary (both from the kernel/otherwise) - apart from user files? |
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| 01:17.43 | centrx | codepython777, Not sure what you mean by "from the kernel", but |
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| 01:18.12 | centrx | codepython777, Two tools for that are called "deborphan", for library packages not depended upon, and "cruft", for files unattached to any package |
| 01:18.28 | centrx | codepython777, You have to be careful though, or you may remove something you need for the applications you use |
| 01:18.38 | codepython777 | centrx: preferably to thin the kernel of things that are not required to run apache for instance? |
| 01:19.03 | david-user | just to confirm this with you. To upgrade to "Jessie" edit my sources.list and then run " apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade", reboot and Im good to go? |
| 01:19.15 | centrx | codepython777, Usually it is faster and most reliable to use the stock kernel package, which uses modules so many unused parts are not loaded. |
| 01:19.36 | codepython777 | centrx: I'm trying to reduce the disk footprint, not just the memory footprint |
| 01:19.40 | centrx | codepython777, Otherwise, you would need to compile the kernel and be familiar with many many options to do so, which takes a lot of time at least and may not come out right |
| 01:19.42 | abrotman | david-user: we'll see about that .. changes every day .. |
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| 01:20.35 | centrx | codepython777, Also use the "du" command to find out where your space is being used up: du / |sort -g |
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| 01:20.39 | david-user | the process the upgrade "doesnt" change though right? |
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| 01:20.53 | centrx | codepython777, apt-get autoclean or apt-get clean will delete saved install files you do not need |
| 01:20.55 | abrotman | david-user: also unknown ... |
| 01:21.26 | centrx | david-user, The general process changes little, but if there are snags you may need to do something in addition to it |
| 01:21.43 | codepython777 | centrx: I am looking for something like this - http://www.dicosmo.org/MyOpinions/index.php/2013/02/08/131-optimising-the-disk-footprint-of-gnu-linux-distributions - but easier to use perhaps? |
| 01:22.12 | david-user | are you telling me that the message from "dpkg" about updating to "Jessie" is not to be taken literally? |
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| 01:22.33 | centrx | david-user, We are just saying there could be some bumps in the road because it is a testing version |
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| 01:23.21 | abrotman | david-user: we're saying that as we know currently, that's the best information we have |
| 01:23.35 | codepython777 | centrx: do you know of something that is similar to that link, but easier to use. |
| 01:23.45 | codepython777 | Would love to run apache inside < 500MB disk footprint |
| 01:23.52 | david-user | Understood. Will I have at least half the support the I am getting from you guys now while im running "jessie"? |
| 01:24.05 | david-user | "that"**** |
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| 01:24.22 | centrx | codepython777, deborphan will show you potentially unneeded packages. You can also look through your packages to remove things you do not need, or metapackages that pull in many dependencies you do not need, such as gnome or xorg |
| 01:24.37 | abrotman | david-user: there is this channel and #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (they specialize in testing/unstable) |
| 01:24.45 | centrx | codepython777, I don't know of any automated tools where you can give it a package you want and it will automatically uninstall everything not needed |
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| 01:25.34 | david-user | very good to know. |
| 01:25.54 | doublehp | abrotman: is there a #debian-deprecated somewhere ? :D |
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| 01:26.05 | centrx | codepython777, You can do it easily from a fresh install. Do a minimal install, no tasksel packages, then disable Recommends, then apt-get install apache2 |
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| 01:26.42 | centrx | codepython777, Or don't disable Recommends because you might miss something you really do need, but that should give you a hint about dependencies |
| 01:26.43 | abrotman | doublehp: no, here |
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| 01:27.06 | doublehp | abrotman: you usually tell me my distro is outdated :) |
| 01:27.07 | david-user | If testing is a more safer route for a home based linux user, they should put that in the FAQ instead of Emphasizing "Unstable" OVER "Testing"... |
| 01:27.52 | doublehp | david-user: in apt.conf ... don't put testing; put the name of the current testing; otherwise you will have issues twice a year, when distros turn around |
| 01:27.58 | bl4ckdu5t | From https://wiki.debian.org/wl I tried using the m-a a-i broadcom-sta |
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| 01:28.28 | mentor | untesting, |
| 01:28.30 | bl4ckdu5t | It seems like It should be broadcom-sta-modules_* based on the the package for my system |
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| 01:28.39 | mentor | untested, testing, tested |
| 01:28.42 | david-user | I understand that part, thank you. User words loosley there for a bit.. |
| 01:28.45 | bl4ckdu5t | How can I know the package for my system |
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| 01:29.13 | somiaj | bl4ckdu5t: that sounds a bit outdated, I think most don't need that anymore. You are on wheezy or newer right? |
| 01:29.23 | somiaj | bl4ckdu5t: you are following isntructions for squeeze and older nonsupported versions. |
| 01:29.24 | bl4ckdu5t | I'm on squeeze |
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| 01:30.02 | bl4ckdu5t | somiaj: squeeze is non supported now? |
| 01:30.09 | david-user | I image that along with all my packages, big things such as my gnome desktop, and linux kernerl will be updated when I upgrade, correct? |
| 01:30.21 | somiaj | bl4ckdu5t: There is a ltr fo squeeze for server side stuff, but all the desktop stuff is no longer supported afiak |
| 01:30.35 | somiaj | bl4ckdu5t: if this is a fresh install, any reason why you don't want to use wheezy? |
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| 01:30.41 | mentor | david-user: Those *are* packages |
| 01:31.03 | centrx | david-user, 99% of packages will be upgraded, some major, some minor |
| 01:31.09 | abrotman | david-user: one owuld hope so ... |
| 01:31.10 | croddy | hello. i am using gnome classic and i want to supply my own terminal bell sound because all of the choices in the settings app are horrible. is there a way to do this? |
| 01:31.12 | somiaj | bl4ckdu5t: or is this just new hardware for an older install, and if so you may want to consider if you want to stick with the lts squeeze or upgradde to wheezy |
| 01:31.19 | somiaj | !squeeze-lts |
| 01:31.19 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 01:31.53 | david-user | Also will grub display a seperate OS with a new kernel on the list of OS's? |
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| 01:32.35 | mentor | david-user: No, everything get upgraded; there isn't a new instance |
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| 01:33.06 | centrx | croddy, More likely someone will know that in the #gnome channel |
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| 01:33.44 | david-user | Okay, good to know. |
| 01:33.54 | croddy | centrx: it doesn't seem to be a gnome feature, it seems to be the x11 bell set in pulseaudio. gnome clearly knows how to change the sound, but will only show me four (listed as five, one is a duplicate) options, all of which are physically painful |
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| 01:34.51 | bl4ckdu5t | somiaj: It's a fresh install of an OS built from squeeze |
| 01:34.58 | mentor | croddy: You need to install different sounds if you want to listen to different sounds |
| 01:35.15 | bl4ckdu5t | I'd rather be on wheezy but I'm tempted to use the OS because of it's packages and tools |
| 01:35.26 | croddy | i have already created the sound and would be happy to convert it to any format required. i do not need to install any more sound files. |
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| 01:35.46 | mentor | croddy: That encompasses what I mean by install |
| 01:36.06 | david-user | thank you all for your help, will be upgrading now. |
| 01:36.12 | croddy | right, i am trying to figure out how to tell X/pulse/whatever it is to use the file i will provide |
| 01:36.33 | croddy | and also which component is responsible, because everything i can find seems to pawn responsibility for this bell sound off onto some other component |
| 01:36.34 | mentor | croddy: The sounds live in /usr/share/sounds/gnome/default/alerts/ |
| 01:36.52 | croddy | i don't want to overwrite package-provided files. i will store the file in /usr/local or /home |
| 01:36.54 | somiaj | bl4ckdu5t: so this isn't even debian? But some derivative. We don't support those here, but looking at the wiki I didn't see what you mean by how do you know which pcakge to isntall? Are you talking about the headers for the kernel you are running? |
| 01:37.07 | mentor | croddy: Then install it in the local path |
| 01:37.16 | somiaj | bl4ckdu5t: also you may want to look into squeeze-lts so you get a little support (if you are still using the debian repos) |
| 01:37.35 | croddy | the file is in place. i am now trying to find out how to configure the system to use that as the bell sound. |
| 01:38.00 | bl4ckdu5t | yea I'm still usin the deb repos. squeeze-lts is a channel? |
| 01:38.24 | centrx | bl4ckdu5t, Make sure you have a squeeze-lts line in your sources.list |
| 01:38.52 | mentor | croddy: I would expect the available sounds to be enumerated automatically on software startup |
| 01:39.01 | somiaj | !tell bl4ckdu5t about squeeze-lts |
| 01:39.34 | bl4ckdu5t | I just added it centrx |
| 01:39.43 | croddy | i guess i will just disable the bell |
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| 01:43.31 | bl4ckdu5t | If I'm adding the squuze-lts liine to my sources, then I should squeeze from all sources and replace with squeeze-lts |
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| 01:43.34 | bl4ckdu5t | ? |
| 01:44.27 | centrx | bl4ckdu5t, No, take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using |
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| 01:46.22 | bl4ckdu5t | ok thanks centrx |
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| 01:50.18 | david-user | hey guys, wana review my sources.list before I do the upgrade: http://pastebin.com/G2HHDdsM |
| 01:51.10 | somiaj | david-user: in the future use paste.debian.net less ads and no caputa!! (: |
| 01:51.18 | abrotman | if oyu screwed it up .. that'll be your first lesson |
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| 01:52.00 | somiaj | david-user: note secuirty and jessie-updates don't really have anything, more place keepers for the time it does become stable. |
| 01:52.10 | abrotman | david-user: also, i'd change the mirror hostname to http.debian.net |
| 01:53.05 | david-user | can I leave it like so for now and change it later? |
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| 01:53.48 | somiaj | yes you can adjust mirrors are future dates. http.debian.net will just find a mirror that may work better for your location is all. |
| 01:54.59 | david-user | I just dont like to spend to much time in sources.list, one wrong key and my systems done lol. Ill chage it lated, dont wana risk anything before such a switch. |
| 01:55.10 | david-user | will be running: " apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade " now............ |
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| 01:56.03 | somiaj | your system will not break if you mess up your souces.list. Most likely if you configured something incorrect you will get errors during the update and nothing would have been isntalled removed. |
| 01:56.46 | somiaj | the biggest issue is not bad/malformed sources.list files, but ones that mix where you get packages from. BEst to not mix repos unless you know they are compadable. |
| 01:56.57 | david-user | I should prolly close my irc while this is taking place. |
| 01:57.05 | centrx | nah |
| 01:57.10 | somiaj | it will run in memory just fine |
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| 01:57.35 | david-user | ok. |
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| 01:57.45 | somiaj | you'll most likely want to reboot and cross your fingers once everything is upgraded. That is the step you'll see if things worked nicely or not for you. |
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| 02:04.11 | bl4ckdu5t | I want to be clear on why there's need for a deb-src after a deb in sources.list ? |
| 02:04.31 | bl4ckdu5t | can someone please explain? |
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| 02:04.59 | cafuego | There's no need. |
| 02:05.04 | centrx | bl4ckdu5t, It is not necessary. It is used for downloading source packages. |
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| 02:05.10 | mentor | It's for source packages |
| 02:05.42 | bl4ckdu5t | oh and then it stores it in /var/apt/ ? |
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| 02:06.28 | centrx | bl4ckdu5t, apt-get source <package name> saves it to the current directory |
| 02:07.02 | mentor | bl4ckdu5t: Source package as in, it contains the source code from which the binary package is generated |
| 02:07.45 | bl4ckdu5t | I meant, I always see some deb packages in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 02:08.06 | bl4ckdu5t | I was thinking this is what stores the packages there |
| 02:08.17 | centrx | Those are binary packages, which only needs the "deb" line |
| 02:08.23 | bl4ckdu5t | and retrieves it when you do apt-get source <package-name> |
| 02:09.22 | somiaj | bl4ckdu5t: when apt downloads the .deb's it has to put them somewhere before it isntalls them. |
| 02:09.33 | bl4ckdu5t | centrx: can I pick one of those packages to another box and just do a dpkg -i bar with them and they'll work? |
| 02:09.45 | bl4ckdu5t | ok I see |
| 02:09.47 | somiaj | bl4ckdu5t: only if they are the same version of debian |
| 02:09.59 | somiaj | bl4ckdu5t: and you have all the dependencies it may require as well |
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| 02:12.07 | mentor | bl4ckdu5t: The package files are the package files. They are not transformed on downloading. |
| 02:12.30 | mentor | bl4ckdu5t: There a re packages available to set up local network mirrors or caches or packages |
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| 02:22.40 | david-user | disable ssh password auth for root: yes or no? |
| 02:23.55 | Rikairchy | disable root login completely |
| 02:24.03 | Rikairchy | via ssh, that is. |
| 02:24.18 | david-user | for now i will hit yes |
| 02:24.21 | david-user | okay |
| 02:24.53 | mentor | Or, in general, any remote root login |
| 02:25.38 | Rikairchy | iirc, best practice is disabling remote root login, forcing key-based auth, and enforcing password complexity for sudo users |
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| 02:51.37 | shay_shay | is there a place i can see a list of the things that will be in a debian debootstrap ? |
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| 02:52.14 | some-cowbell | deboootstrap is just the base, isn't it? |
| 02:52.18 | shay_shay | yes |
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| 02:53.15 | iceisfun | hello, this might not be the right place to ask this |
| 02:53.18 | abrotman | shay_shay: it's roughly the normal installer |
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| 02:53.30 | iceisfun | but i want to forward DNS on a linux bridge to another ip address |
| 02:53.48 | iceisfun | im doing maintenance where a dns server will go down so i want to hijack it at the bridge and send it elsewhere |
| 02:53.52 | shay_shay | abrotman: yes, but where can i find a list of what that is? |
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| 03:06.24 | bl4ckdu5t | as a i386 users, how do I know if I am to install linux-headers-486 or linux-headers-686-pae ? |
| 03:06.31 | bl4ckdu5t | *user |
| 03:06.54 | dvs | bl4ckdu5t: whichever one matches you linux-image |
| 03:07.06 | bl4ckdu5t | dvs: I don't get |
| 03:07.19 | bl4ckdu5t | please can you expand more on that |
| 03:07.25 | Cpuroast | cat /proc/version |
| 03:07.28 | Cpuroast | should tell you |
| 03:07.28 | bl4ckdu5t | the ISO image I used to install? |
| 03:07.38 | dvs | bl4ckdu5t: you must have a linux-image package installed or your system wouldn't work |
| 03:07.39 | Cpuroast | or: uname -r |
| 03:08.30 | bl4ckdu5t | Debian 4.4.5-8 |
| 03:08.37 | bl4ckdu5t | That's what I have |
| 03:08.52 | dvs | for uname -r? |
| 03:09.14 | bl4ckdu5t | /proc/version |
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| 03:09.28 | Cpuroast | unlikely |
| 03:09.36 | dvs | try "uname -r" |
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| 03:11.34 | bl4ckdu5t | kernel 3.3.4 |
| 03:11.54 | Cpuroast | huh? |
| 03:12.00 | dvs | you're not using debian, or at the very least you compiled your own kernel. |
| 03:12.06 | Cpuroast | indeed |
| 03:12.25 | bl4ckdu5t | yea from Debian kernel 3.3.4 |
| 03:12.39 | Cpuroast | current stable uses 3.2.x |
| 03:12.46 | Cpuroast | previous stable used 2.6.32 |
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| 03:13.31 | Cpuroast | 3.3 is actually a dead kernel |
| 03:13.36 | Cpuroast | it's been EOLed quite some time ago |
| 03:14.12 | bl4ckdu5t | oh |
| 03:14.42 | Cpuroast | you are on Debian wheezy? |
| 03:14.47 | bl4ckdu5t | It's just from a debian squeeze though |
| 03:14.48 | Cpuroast | aka Debian 7? |
| 03:14.55 | Cpuroast | squeeze is on 2.6.32 |
| 03:15.00 | Cpuroast | not at all 3.3 |
| 03:15.20 | Cpuroast | you either compiled your own, or you got some other kernel from somewhere |
| 03:15.28 | Cpuroast | or you aren't running Debian Squeeze at all |
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| 03:16.18 | bl4ckdu5t | Yea it was self compiled. Based on squeeze now, should I be using 486 or 686-pae ? |
| 03:16.31 | some-cowbell | the kernel headers that you get need to be the same version as the kernel you're running. If you compiled the kernel yourself, the headers are in the sources (if you didn't clean or remove them) |
| 03:17.16 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: if you compiled your own kernel you would have a better idea whether you did it for 486 or 686-pae than any of us |
| 03:17.54 | some-cowbell | that information would be in the config file you used when the kernel was compiled |
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| 03:18.36 | bl4ckdu5t | A friend compiled it. I'll just ask him then |
| 03:18.37 | david-user | updating to "Jessie" is taking forever, Just checked up and still installing. |
| 03:18.51 | Cpuroast | bl4ckdu5t: also, considering 3.3 is no longer supported at all, I would strongly suggested either moving back to the old stable's kernel, aka 2.6.32 |
| 03:18.56 | bl4ckdu5t | Jessie is that Debian 8? |
| 03:19.09 | Cpuroast | or compiling another more recent one |
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| 03:19.21 | dondelelcaro | bl4ckdu5t: it will eventually be Debian 8 |
| 03:19.21 | some-cowbell | as it stands right now, there is no information about what version of debian you're running |
| 03:19.41 | david-user | I should just let this run overnight and reboot in the morning.... |
| 03:19.49 | Cpuroast | some-cowbell: if I understand him correctly, he's on squeeze with a custom 3.3 kernel |
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| 03:21.45 | Cpuroast | which is a less than ideal situation :) |
| 03:22.05 | some-cowbell | what does he want to do? |
| 03:22.25 | Cpuroast | no real idea, he's just wondering about headers, for what reason, I don't know |
| 03:22.55 | bl4ckdu5t | My whole purpose is to install a wireless driver |
| 03:23.03 | Cpuroast | ah |
| 03:23.11 | bl4ckdu5t | found a blog post that says install linux-headers-generic |
| 03:23.45 | bl4ckdu5t | and I get 'has no installation candidate' |
| 03:23.47 | some-cowbell | you're probably going to need to install a kernel that has its headers |
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| 03:24.51 | bl4ckdu5t | so I found another article that says as an i386 user, it'll be better to specify linux-header-486 or linux-header-686-pae |
| 03:24.54 | some-cowbell | what was it that made you want to go with the 3.3 kernel? |
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| 03:25.37 | some-cowbell | how much ram do you have? |
| 03:25.55 | sakang | because linux-headers-generic or image-generic are ubuntu packages not debian |
| 03:25.59 | bl4ckdu5t | It's a friend that compiled it. If I was privy of this, I probably would have told him to stick with 3.2.* |
| 03:26.05 | bl4ckdu5t | 4Gb RAM |
| 03:26.51 | some-cowbell | do you have full root privs on the machine? and you physically own it? |
| 03:27.02 | bl4ckdu5t | yea |
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| 03:28.38 | bl4ckdu5t | I tested his OS over the weekend hoping, I'll use it henceforth but now it's failing and I need to make use of my machine at work tomorrow |
| 03:29.00 | some-cowbell | what's failing? |
| 03:29.03 | bl4ckdu5t | It has awesome features he added that makes me wanna stick with it |
| 03:29.05 | bl4ckdu5t | this |
| 03:29.08 | bl4ckdu5t | wireless |
| 03:29.19 | bl4ckdu5t | and I have to connect to wireless at work |
| 03:29.31 | bl4ckdu5t | I'm using a wired connection from my home now |
| 03:30.30 | some-cowbell | do you have a wireless access point at home? |
| 03:30.38 | bl4ckdu5t | yea I do |
| 03:30.58 | sakang | unless you are using some exotic wireless card, the stock debian kernel should support most popular wireless cards |
| 03:31.02 | some-cowbell | so, you could install kernel and/or driver and test it |
| 03:31.22 | bl4ckdu5t | my router has wireless but I connect with its ethernet since the new OS isn't finding it's wireless |
| 03:31.26 | bl4ckdu5t | BCM4313 |
| 03:31.52 | sakang | most broadcom wireless are supported |
| 03:32.01 | bl4ckdu5t | Even on Debian my usual OS, I have to install the firmware to get it to work |
| 03:32.20 | sakang | yeah but you need not re-compile it at all |
| 03:32.23 | some-cowbell | was just going to mention firmware |
| 03:32.28 | bl4ckdu5t | I think this says mine isn't http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Supported_devices |
| 03:32.54 | bl4ckdu5t | 14e4:4727 |
| 03:33.19 | some-cowbell | , pciid 14e4:4727 |
| 03:33.20 | judd | [14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcmsmac' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4727 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
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| 03:34.23 | some-cowbell | you might need the backports kernel for squeeze |
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| 03:35.37 | bl4ckdu5t | I was gonna install the firmware deb file I have but then I thought, how will I add it to the kernel with modprobe ? |
| 03:36.02 | somiaj | bl4ckdu5t: what do you mean without modprobe? You should have that in the minimal base system |
| 03:37.02 | bl4ckdu5t | All the articles I've seen talk about them downloading the firmware with apt-get and then using the name they found it with like b43 to store as modprobe b43 |
| 03:37.26 | bl4ckdu5t | Yea there's modprobe |
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| 03:37.59 | bl4ckdu5t | It's just I don't know the name to call it |
| 03:38.08 | bl4ckdu5t | as b43 was used there |
| 03:38.32 | bl4ckdu5t | I have firmware-brcm80211_0.40~bpo70+1_all.deb file |
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| 03:38.55 | bl4ckdu5t | after install of it, how do I add it to the kernel ? |
| 03:38.57 | sakang | try installing this b43-fwcutter |
| 03:39.33 | bl4ckdu5t | already installed |
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| 03:40.11 | some-cowbell | ,v firmware-brcm80211 |
| 03:40.12 | judd | Package: firmware-brcm80211 on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.41~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; sid/non-free: 0.43 |
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| 03:43.24 | bl4ckdu5t | some-cowbell: I did apt-get install firmware-brcm80211 now |
| 03:43.35 | bl4ckdu5t | and then modprobe brcm80211 |
| 03:43.52 | bl4ckdu5t | FATAL: Module brcm80211 not found |
| 03:43.58 | bl4ckdu5t | and that's what I got |
| 03:44.04 | zleslie | I'm setting up a laptop system on debian, and its been a while. I'm going for a minimal installation. Is there a list of groups that my user account should be a member of for things like synaptics, or sound or such? |
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| 03:44.30 | and0r | ok, excuse me but have you ran the device under windows yet, to make sure it's functioning correctly? |
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| 03:44.37 | bl4ckdu5t | zleslie: sudo I think |
| 03:44.47 | zleslie | Yes, but others |
| 03:45.42 | PryMar56 | audio video users sudo <un> |
| 03:45.53 | bl4ckdu5t | some-cowbell: any idea why I may be getting the not found? |
| 03:46.33 | some-cowbell | so you have the firmware but not yet the driver |
| 03:48.12 | some-cowbell | in order to get the driver you are probably going to have to install a different kernel; it may require a module packaging building, which has very specific requirements on the kernel and the headers |
| 03:48.21 | Rusty1 | https://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 << bl4ckdu5t |
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| 03:49.06 | some-cowbell | the driver package might even exist in binary already, still requires a matching kernel version |
| 03:49.15 | jmcnaught | zleslie: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch12.en.html#s12.1 section 12.1.12 has a list of various groups used by Debian. The regular user account that you create during installation will probably belong to most of the necessary ones already |
| 03:49.38 | arven | apparently ALSA is not saving the mixer settings between reboots. |
| 03:50.04 | arven | isn't 'alsactl store' and 'alsactl load' being called by default on shutdown and startup respectively? |
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| 03:50.14 | zleslie | jmcnaught: Perfect, thank you |
| 03:51.05 | david-user | successful install of debian Jessie! |
| 03:51.23 | jmcnaught | zleslie: if it's been a while, I highly recommend The Debian Administrator's Handbook and The Debian Reference. Both can be read online, or installed as packages |
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| 03:52.53 | bl4ckdu5t | Thanks Rusty1 |
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| 03:54.52 | david-user | why does jessie remove my web browser? |
| 03:55.27 | arven | david-user: what web browser were you using? |
| 03:55.42 | david-user | iceweasel from debian whezzy |
| 03:56.10 | arven | jessie does have iceweasel, of course it should have just upgraded it |
| 03:56.27 | david-user | guess it removed it, weird. |
| 03:56.45 | iceisfun | Rikairchy: its static assignment |
| 03:56.59 | iceisfun | Rikairchy: and the dns server I want to forward to is outside of the local subnet |
| 03:57.16 | david-user | Sorry guys found it, my bad |
| 03:57.43 | david-user | the newer gnome 3 interface was tricking me up a bit is all |
| 03:59.35 | some-cowbell | bl4ckdu5t, so devices are supported by the kernel in the form of kernel modules. that 3.3 kernel isn't recognizable, so it's a good chance that it doesnt' have the driver. when I looked at the wiki page, I didn't see anything about installing the driver (just the firmware), so I think it expects the driver to be in the kernel (which is a contradiction: you tried, got not found) |
| 04:00.46 | some-cowbell | so you either need a kernel that's available in the debian archives, or to rebuild the one you have so it then has the driver. |
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| 04:01.07 | arven | bl4ckdu5t: some-cowbell: it seems as though you're typo-ing the module name or something. I'm using 3.2 kernel and that's been in since the 2.6 days. |
| 04:01.36 | some-cowbell | using the available kernels is what's easy to support |
| 04:02.08 | some-cowbell | arven, we believe his is a custom built kernel that wasn't built with the bcm driver |
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| 04:02.29 | arven | oh, I see |
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| 04:03.47 | david-user | why does gnome 3 on debian jessie have a blue background when openinging the Activities overview, eg: hotcorner? |
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| 04:04.51 | david-user | Seems a simple wallpaper change fixed the issue. |
| 04:05.40 | some-cowbell | bl4ckdu5t, if you run apt-cache search linux-image you'll get a list of packages of kernels |
| 04:06.50 | some-cowbell | since you have 4g of ram, you'll probably need one of the packages that has "686-pae" in the name |
| 04:07.47 | some-cowbell | well I'm probably giving up... he's not responding |
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| 04:10.01 | dondelelcaro | I don't think we distribute non PAE images anymore |
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| 04:11.25 | bl4ckdu5t | some-cowbell: Any idea why I may not be getting the brcm80211 I got with apt-get install firmware-brcm80211 |
| 04:11.49 | bl4ckdu5t | I did a modprobe brcm80211 and It says module not found |
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| 04:13.31 | bl4ckdu5t | I believe it loooks into /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 04:14.01 | bl4ckdu5t | and I have that directory |
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| 04:14.52 | Rusty1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.33 | Rusty1 | ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r) to see |
| 04:15.58 | bl4ckdu5t | Rusty1: it's not in it |
| 04:16.09 | bl4ckdu5t | I wonder why though |
| 04:17.02 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: firmware usually installs to /lib/firmware, but firmware is not the same as kernel modules. Kernel modules often require firmware files to work properly. To see the files for an installed package, use "dpkg -L foo" |
| 04:19.16 | Rikairchy | quick question: I'm part of a team hosting our own repo, which will soon be made public. So far, we're hosting only a few packages, but anyone that adds our repo has to manually add our key as well. Is this just a casualty of a third party repo, or did we miss a step? |
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| 04:19.38 | bl4ckdu5t | jmcnaught: yea I got |
| 04:19.40 | bl4ckdu5t | /lib/firmware |
| 04:19.40 | bl4ckdu5t | /lib/firmware/brcm |
| 04:19.40 | bl4ckdu5t | /lib/firmware/brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw |
| 04:19.42 | bl4ckdu5t | /lib/firmware/brcm/bcm43xx_hdr-0.fw |
| 04:19.57 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: use http://paste.debian.net, don't paste to the channel :) |
| 04:20.16 | bl4ckdu5t | sorry I felt it was too short to require paste |
| 04:20.47 | bl4ckdu5t | now how do I make this available to modprobe |
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| 04:21.02 | bl4ckdu5t | should I cd into /lib/firmware/ and use insmod instead ? |
| 04:21.23 | some-cowbell | that';s just the firmware |
| 04:21.28 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: insmod is a command for loading a module. Those .fw files in /lib/firmware are not modules |
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| 04:22.24 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: firmwares are blobs of code, usually closed source, that are loaded onto the device itself. The kernel module then interacts with the device once the firmware is loaded. The two are different kinds of things. |
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| 04:22.46 | some-cowbell | Rikairchy, that's how I understand things to work |
| 04:22.53 | david-user | first issue on debian jessie using gnome 3. Not being able to change the background wallpaper, The window pops up for a second and disapears, anyone else having this issue? |
| 04:23.44 | david-user | dont know if its gnome related or debian related |
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| 04:24.35 | jmcnaught | david-user: Jessie support is supposed to be in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 04:24.54 | bl4ckdu5t | jmcnaught: if so, then these doc doesn't make sense https://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 ? |
| 04:26.27 | some-cowbell | bl4ckdu5t, what's your uname -r currently? |
| 04:26.34 | some-cowbell | err brb |
| 04:26.53 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: maybe you just don't understand that page? Are you still using the non-standard kernel? That page is saying you need to have a particular firmware from non-free installed before you can enabled a module that's included in the Debian kernel. The Debian kernel comes with the module, the non-free firmware must be installed separately in order for it to work. |
| 04:26.54 | bl4ckdu5t | they say Here https://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211/#Debian_6.0_.22Squeeze.22 |
| 04:27.06 | bl4ckdu5t | custom3.4.4 |
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| 04:28.21 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: therefore the problem is probably that your custom kernel does not include the kernel module. Installing the non-free firmware is only part of what you need. You also need a kernel that includes a module that can use the firmware. If you used a standard Debian kernel, that module would be included. |
| 04:29.02 | bl4ckdu5t | Is there somewhere I can just download the module too? |
| 04:29.13 | and0r | you gotta be trolling |
| 04:29.30 | bl4ckdu5t | I'm naive not trolling |
| 04:29.32 | and0r | you need to recompile your kernel m8, and im retarded as hell for even replying to this |
| 04:29.42 | bl4ckdu5t | I don't know how stupid that sounds |
| 04:29.57 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: not really, modules need to be compiled for a specific kernel. Your best bet is to install a standard Debian kernel, or recompile the custom one you have with the right modules |
| 04:30.17 | some-cowbell | bl4ckdu5t, get a list of kernels you can install: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 04:30.41 | jmcnaught | and0r: please don't use terms like "retarded" here or try to make people feel stupid because they don't understand stuff. They're trying, if you have a hard time with that then just ignore them. |
| 04:31.58 | some-cowbell | the thing is he's not responding at all when we talk about replacing the kernel |
| 04:32.03 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: my advice is to use a standard Debian kernel if you can. I think that installing the linux-image-686-pae package would get you a regular Debian kernel installed |
| 04:32.12 | bl4ckdu5t | I'm trying to do so now |
| 04:32.25 | and0r | jmcnaught, my apologies. but i too consider myself mentally handicapped and take no offense to the word retard, just letting you know my personal preference, which may be official for most other disabled peoples alike |
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| 04:32.43 | bl4ckdu5t | I just wanna do a 'apt-get install linux-image-2.6-486' |
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| 04:33.05 | and0r | but i understand why it's not allowed here, again; my apologies |
| 04:33.14 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: if you have 4GB of ram it might be better to use the 686-pae one instead |
| 04:33.46 | some-cowbell | the 486 one might be very slowwww |
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| 04:34.14 | bl4ckdu5t | ok |
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| 04:36.02 | bl4ckdu5t | I'm running through the install now and I have no idea what outcome I may get from this |
| 04:36.13 | some-cowbell | once you get that kernel installed, you will need to reboot (it's going to arrange to get the kernel into the boot menu) |
| 04:36.40 | and0r | question: isnt firmware typically on the device itself, as it is used to operate the device.. how does linux deal with these 'firmwares'? |
| 04:36.46 | xecycle | The latest openjdk-7-jre-headless in testing seems overwhelming to me. It depends on libgtk2.0-0 and libx11-6 --- is that really headless? |
| 04:36.55 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: pay close attention for any error messages before rebooting. It should say something about about grub success |
| 04:37.11 | some-cowbell | and0r: by having files and programs that load the files into the device |
| 04:37.49 | jmcnaught | xecycle: you might try disabling recommends and see if it wants to install fewer packages. Also Jessie support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net :) |
| 04:37.55 | bl4ckdu5t | I got something like Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw |
| 04:38.13 | bl4ckdu5t | for module r8169 |
| 04:38.23 | some-cowbell | that may be your eth card? |
| 04:38.33 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: that firmware is in the "firmware-realtek" package if you want to install that too |
| 04:38.38 | xecycle | jmcnaught: I checked it, and they are dependencies and not recommends. I'll check that channel, thx :) |
| 04:38.59 | and0r | some-cowbell, excuse me? you typically access device firmware, even so there would be no point, what exactly are you talking about? |
| 04:39.14 | some-cowbell | , file rtl8168d-1.fw |
| 04:39.17 | bl4ckdu5t | I'm about to go for a reboot. I think I should do that before rebooting |
| 04:39.18 | judd | Search for rtl8168d-1.fw in wheezy/i386: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw |
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| 04:39.39 | some-cowbell | bl4ckdu5t: you may wish to install that package too |
| 04:39.42 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: so no errors were reported when installing the kernel package? |
| 04:40.03 | some-cowbell | "possible missing firmware" |
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| 04:40.18 | bl4ckdu5t | not any besides what I posted about the possible missing firmware |
| 04:40.56 | some-cowbell | bl4ckdu5t: so judd named a package with that firmware; you may wish to install it |
| 04:41.19 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: cool. rebooting should bring you up in a standard Debian kernel, unless the friend that installed the custom kernel for you also "customized" your bootloader in a funny way |
| 04:42.14 | bl4ckdu5t | brb |
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| 04:44.40 | some-cowbell | notes we don't know right now if there's anything special about the video driver... |
| 04:45.26 | jmcnaught | some-cowbell: was video driver the original reason for the custom kernel? |
| 04:45.59 | some-cowbell | no idea at all, he didn't say other than "some cool features his friend compiled in" |
| 04:46.17 | and0r | this is silly |
| 04:46.35 | and0r | everyone get back to work |
| 04:46.45 | some-cowbell | all we can do is see what happens... this took a really long time |
| 04:47.42 | some-cowbell | 80% of that time was spent navigating resistance |
| 04:47.45 | and0r | is there a picture of this debrah chick that debian is named after? |
| 04:47.46 | bl4ckdu5t | back from reboot. What changes should I expect |
| 04:47.58 | and0r | i feel like laughing |
| 04:48.00 | and0r | hard |
| 04:48.10 | and0r | ok, im kidding ;) |
| 04:48.20 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: "uname -a" should report a different kernel than before. Does everything seem to work like before? GUI starting okay and everything? |
| 04:48.24 | some-cowbell | bl4ckdu5t: what do you see on the screen? |
| 04:48.42 | some-cowbell | see: jmcnaught too |
| 04:49.17 | jmcnaught | and0r: do you need help with something Debian related? I'd appreciate if you could keep your commentary to yourself. |
| 04:49.18 | bl4ckdu5t | my usual wallpaper |
| 04:49.37 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: how about "uname -a" ? |
| 04:49.45 | some-cowbell | so,,, mouse moves? clicks happen? |
| 04:49.53 | some-cowbell | sounds good so far |
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| 04:50.17 | bl4ckdu5t | Linux Gregdistro 3.3.4custom #1 SMP Sat May 5 23:06:07 CDT 2012 |
| 04:50.27 | bl4ckdu5t | i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:50.28 | some-cowbell | the old one |
| 04:50.31 | bl4ckdu5t | yea |
| 04:50.45 | bl4ckdu5t | whew! |
| 04:51.07 | bl4ckdu5t | This has really taken a lotta time |
| 04:51.19 | and0r | i mean, did 'debrah' even program or was interested in computers? or was this 100% some kind of awkward hobbyist love fantasy? |
| 04:51.29 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: when you were rebooting the computer, did the GRUB boot menu list different kernels? Was 2.6.32 one of them? |
| 04:51.41 | bl4ckdu5t | I'll either have to start looking for ethernet cables or get back to my Debian 7 and have a normal life |
| 04:51.46 | and0r | so cring-worthy, iv'e been there |
| 04:52.06 | bl4ckdu5t | no it was just the regular one it listed plus (recovery mode) |
| 04:53.12 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: not knowing what else your friend "customized" I'd be pretty tempted to back up all the data and start with a fresh install of Wheezy |
| 04:53.19 | some-cowbell | one thing I noticed is you never quit irc and came back as a result of rebooting... is htere another machine involved? |
| 04:53.45 | bl4ckdu5t | One issue I have with native Debian 7 Wheezy is the way it hangs |
| 04:53.54 | bl4ckdu5t | He said this is light and it feels light |
| 04:54.08 | bl4ckdu5t | I do a lot of web dev with different browsers open |
| 04:54.42 | and0r | google is feeling quite optimistic with the term debrah lynn.. i think the adult filter may be off |
| 04:55.05 | bl4ckdu5t | I also have VM open to work on OS X. These things make the screen go crazy sometimes. It just gets empty |
| 04:55.51 | bl4ckdu5t | maybe it's gnome. I should probably use KDE henceforth. This custom derivative uses KDE and I love it |
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| 04:56.41 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: well Wheezy has had several updates since it was released. Maybe the hanging issue you had has been resolved. Squeeze is a dead-end for desktop use anyways. If you do reinstall, seriously backup all your data whether /home is on a separate partition or not. |
| 04:57.32 | some-cowbell | jmcnaught: I think he might have a different machine |
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| 04:58.05 | bl4ckdu5t | I backed-up all my data on my external HDD before I did this OS install |
| 04:58.06 | jmcnaught | some-cowbell: must be, or ZNC or something |
| 04:58.13 | some-cowbell | the one he's on irc with I think is the 3.3.4 |
| 04:59.21 | bl4ckdu5t | I'm sshing to my server to be on IRC through the custom OS on my single machine |
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| 04:59.47 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: I also recommend sticking with Debian kernels from now own. Chances are the Debian Developers know more about this stuff than your friend that left you with an out of date kernel that cannot be updated and is missing modules for devices you need |
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| 05:00.46 | some-cowbell | ok, so when you ran the uname -r, was it on the ssh? |
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| 05:01.20 | bl4ckdu5t | 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 05:01.37 | some-cowbell | hmm, that looks better |
| 05:01.38 | bl4ckdu5t | It's also a Debian box |
| 05:02.00 | some-cowbell | where did that one come from? |
| 05:02.11 | jmcnaught | who's on first, what's on second? |
| 05:02.34 | some-cowbell | shortstop! |
| 05:02.43 | bl4ckdu5t | I don't get that :/ |
| 05:03.07 | some-cowbell | it's a very old comedy routine... look up abbot and costello |
| 05:03.15 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: it's an old Abbot and Costello skit about confusion :) |
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| 05:03.43 | bl4ckdu5t | oh ok |
| 05:03.48 | some-cowbell | that one looks like wheezxy |
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| 05:04.18 | bl4ckdu5t | It is |
| 05:04.32 | antivirys | Good morning, I have a request 2 days ago I installed Debian 7.5 wheezy, look for driverite video card how to install after several attempts and crash of xorg are not receiving video card is nvidia gefrotse 210 |
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| 05:05.55 | antivirys | in source list wheezy main contrib |
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| 05:06.10 | bl4ckdu5t | If I'm on a 7.4 and I want to update to a 7.6 do I need to redownload the iso or apt-get upgrade handles it? |
| 05:06.41 | some-cowbell | it's package installs, to upgrade |
| 05:07.12 | some-cowbell | so, apt-get should handle it and you should not need an iso |
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| 05:08.00 | bl4ckdu5t | ok. |
| 05:08.22 | bl4ckdu5t | 1 more thing, what's evil about using unetbootin to install? |
| 05:08.42 | some-cowbell | it doesn't work properly with the debian images |
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| 05:08.50 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: Debian should be upgradeable for major releases too, like 6 to 7 or 7 to 8, as long as stick to standard debian packages. |
| 05:09.18 | antivirys | ??? |
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| 05:09.57 | rozie | bl4ckdu5t: 7.6 is 7.4 with security patches. if you used apt-get update; apt-get upgrade, you already have 7.6 |
| 05:10.08 | bl4ckdu5t | great |
| 05:10.19 | jmcnaught | antivirys: is the default open source nouveau driver not working for you? If must install the proprietary closed source drivers, the instructions to follow are here: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 05:10.25 | some-cowbell | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:10.33 | bl4ckdu5t | thanks to y'all |
| 05:10.58 | rozie | BTW on debian.org in news section there's no mention about 7.6? |
| 05:11.20 | some-cowbell | when did it come out, today? |
| 05:11.40 | antivirys | Should I add backsports in source list ? |
| 05:12.00 | rozie | oh, OK... I need to change images to seed |
| 05:12.11 | rozie | antivirys: do you need them? |
| 05:12.53 | antivirys | I do not know, so I ask |
| 05:13.10 | rozie | how can we know? |
| 05:13.27 | rozie | if you don't lack anything, don't use backports |
| 05:13.31 | jmcnaught | antivirys: follow the instructions on the wiki page. There are "supported devices" links for each of the driver options on that page. You probably don't need backports unless your card is extremely new |
| 05:13.44 | bl4ckdu5t | If unetbootin isn't good enough, then what's the best way to install with a USB stick? |
| 05:14.09 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell bl4ckdu5t -about win32diskimager |
| 05:15.13 | bl4ckdu5t | jmcnaught: that's a windows tool I guess? |
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| 05:16.31 | rozie | bl4ckdu5t: on Linux you use dd. Debian images should work for USB and CD-ROM at the same time (not sure if all or just netinstall) |
| 05:16.49 | jmcnaught | bl4ckdu5t: oh yeah.. i assumed windows since you asked about unetbootin. The Debian Install manual has instruction for preparing USB sticks: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 05:17.07 | antivirys | last request in sourtse leaves you to add non-free because of me only main contrib in source list? |
| 05:17.21 | antivirys | source list* |
| 05:18.06 | rozie | as we talk about releases. anybody knows statistics how popular are particular iso images in p2p downloads? |
| 05:18.19 | jmcnaught | antivirys: the proprietary nvidia drivers are in non-free, as it says in the instructions on the wiki https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 05:18.40 | bl4ckdu5t | ok. I'll use dd then |
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| 05:26.15 | mul | hallo |
| 05:26.18 | mul | any body ? |
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| 07:16.45 | threenuc | Hey, I get this error log when my keyboard and mouse disconnect (the only thing I can do is reset) http://paste.debian.net/109589/. What do? |
| 07:16.45 | croddy | mentor: i got it eventually, https://gist.github.com/cmroddy/134780bb8dbe259c12fa |
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| 07:19.16 | mkl1525 | Hi, I'd like to get a copy of each mail that is send from my exim to an archive mail address. Google showed that it should be possible with 'unseen deliver "archive@somewhere.com" |
| 07:19.16 | mkl1525 | '. But I don't know where to place it in the exim config. Putting it in "DCconfig_internet" router brings an error message ("extra characters follow boolean option unseen"). Any help on this? |
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| 07:24.53 | Dtech | Does anyone know of a good codecs package, as Debian does not come with a suite due to its free manifesto? |
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| 07:25.42 | Donse | hi all |
| 07:25.45 | croddy | gstreamer-plugins-(good|bad|ugly) has done 98% of everything i've ever wanted, enough that i just haven't bothered with the ones it won't do. |
| 07:25.52 | Dtech | Hello Donse |
| 07:25.55 | madmac2501 | hi, how could I get the list of pending triggers? |
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| 07:26.20 | Donse | is it save to change the owwner of a home directory to a user's secondary group and then delete the primary group the user was created with? |
| 07:27.12 | Dtech | I'm familiar with the gstreamer package. YES I can do my own research. Can you briefly describe -(good+bad|ugly) and the reasons, pros/cons for using each? |
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| 07:28.30 | peetaur2 | Donse: safe depends on what's in it... a normal empty dir can be changed any way you want. .ssh with keys in it needs go-w and go-r on private files, etc. maybe something else has some other restriction. |
| 07:28.45 | peetaur2 | and I'm assuming you mean with -R |
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| 07:30.49 | Dtech | Another issue I have with Deb-Stable: I understand the need to keep older versions of the software, as it's stable. However it goes without saying that Iceweasel should automatically update. I recall I had to do some work for this. POINT: Your browser is your most used tool, and your most vulnerable. Any idea why the devs like to keep one back several versions, with IceWeasel? |
| 07:31.40 | croddy | security patches get backported. updates to stable packages, other than security patches, are held back to maximize predictability and maintain the compatibility of components in the entire OS with each other. generally speaking. |
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| 07:34.34 | peetaur2 | croddy: so could one say that FireFox is the bleeding edge (new bugs, new features, security patches) and IceWeasel is the stable one (security and other patches only)? |
| 07:34.47 | peetaur2 | I don't know much about iceweasel other than debian maintains it... and no idea why ;) |
| 07:35.12 | croddy | not really, no. as i understand it, iceweasel is just the version that reached stability at the right time in the release cycle, with the nonfree branding stripped out and replaced with the iceweasel branding |
| 07:35.27 | croddy | but i've been using chrome from google's repo for so long that you should not take my word for it on the debian firefox packaging. |
| 07:35.33 | Dtech | Croddy: I'm aware of this, but that's not the main point of my issue. Firefox (Iceweasel) has several potentially serious security flaws between the 4 releases it takes Deb to catch up, thus needing to add a reposity (IIRC) and SUDO some commands to bring it up to latest. I believe it pulls from Deb-Testing |
| 07:36.04 | croddy | Dtech: no, you misunderstand. the security fixes are backported into stable and released as new versions in debian stable without requiring a dist upgrade. |
| 07:36.12 | peetaur2 | croddy: k... so if what I guessed is true there, then it would be a side effect rather than design goal I guess |
| 07:36.15 | Dtech | Peetaur: PLEASE tell me you're kidding. Are you SERIOUSLY a proponent of Chromium over Firefox? |
| 07:36.38 | peetaur2 | Dtech: are you kidding? why do you assume I want google spyware over bleeding edge crashy buggy firefox? |
| 07:36.47 | croddy | i want google spyware |
| 07:36.52 | peetaur2 | Dtech: I have never used chrome or derivatives |
| 07:37.29 | Dtech | I'm aware of why Iceweasel is called Iceweasel. I read the hostile email exchange between then-Mozilla lawyer or whatever about 8 years ago. It wasn't pretty. |
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| 07:38.02 | rocko2 | how do I install an older version of software? |
| 07:38.46 | croddy | Dtech: see the changelog -- these are security patches being shipped to iceweasel in debian stable: http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/i/iceweasel/stable_changelog |
| 07:38.58 | croddy | the iceweasel package is by no means set in stone after a debian release. |
| 07:39.00 | Dtech | Croddy: I MISUNDERSTAND FOR A REASON. IceWeasel's versioning is different. So are you telling me that Deb tries to keep IceWeasel current within the 1-2 regular release cycles (if one to DL and compile Firefox v30 on their own?) |
| 07:39.26 | croddy | within it, yes, but only to the extent of fixing crashes and vulnerabilities |
| 07:39.39 | croddy | you'll get those fixed, but not new features. major version will remain the same. |
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| 07:39.52 | Dtech | Peetaur: I wasn't talking about Chrome; I was referring to CHROMIUM. And I STILL don't like their shitty attitude. |
| 07:40.18 | Dtech | Sadly, as slow as Firefox is, only MOZ does it truly FOSS |
| 07:40.30 | babilen | One can get current releases and packages following the aurora and beta release channels for Iceweasel from http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 07:40.38 | Dtech | Thanks, Croddy.. Will look at logs |
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| 07:41.50 | babilen | Dtech: And "stable" simply means "not changing" in the context of Debian and nothing else. It is therefore the very definition of that release to, well, carry the same version forever. |
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| 07:42.36 | babilen | There are few exceptions to this and Iceweasel is one of them |
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| 07:43.01 | Dtech | Croddy: I've paid attention to to the release logs of Firefox for the past 16 realeases at least. there's at least 1, sometimes 5 code red major security vulnerabilities. You're telling me the release team fixes these themselves, and not Mozilla? |
| 07:43.30 | croddy | as far as i know, they mainly rely on the patches that mozilla make, but backport them to the version in stable |
| 07:43.48 | croddy | but now you are deep into questions that you should ask the package maintainers if you really must know |
| 07:44.04 | babilen | Dtech: Debian carries patches against the firefox codebase, you can assume that if a maintainer is aware of an issue and can fix it that the fix will make it into the Debian package |
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| 07:44.42 | Dtech | Babilen: I've studied, used, and know that stable means stable, with security fixes, as Deb is one of the few distros to do this. |
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| 07:45.38 | Dtech | *rolls eyes* For the love of God, why can't they just PULL from Mozilla like everybody else does: OpenSuse, RedHat, Fedora, WHATEVER |
| 07:45.48 | babilen | dpkg: why iceweasel |
| 07:45.49 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>. |
| 07:46.04 | babilen | Because we are not allowed to |
| 07:46.21 | day | isnt there an alternative browser? |
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| 07:46.42 | and0r | the whole licensing/freedom thing is going a little too far, obsessively far |
| 07:46.47 | babilen | Sure, there are plenty of alternative browsers .. from w3m to chromium, but that's not the point here |
| 07:47.02 | day | i think it is |
| 07:47.09 | and0r | infact, not using chrome (yes chrome, and not chromium) is pretty damn silly |
| 07:47.20 | Dtech | Croddy: these are basic questions ANY security-minded tech should know. Especially one who maintains a damn network, even more if you're required to use HIPAA TLS-512 |
| 07:47.20 | and0r | you should probably install chrome now |
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| 07:47.31 | peetaur2 | and0r: you call us silly, but we think you're silly. Deal with it. |
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| 07:47.39 | peetaur2 | Nothing silly about freedom. |
| 07:47.56 | babilen | Either way, lets move on. (or take this discussion to #debian-offtopic) :) |
| 07:47.57 | day | freedom isnt black or white |
| 07:47.59 | and0r | oh i am silly, and i really dont care what you think, because my thoughts can certainly trump yours, dont get me started on you pls :^) |
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| 07:48.21 | Dtech | DPKG: YES, I read that email exchange that was written between Mozilla & the Deb developers. See above. The question is, Why doesn't Mozilla have a problem with ALL the other distros? |
| 07:48.23 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Dtech |
| 07:48.37 | croddy | lol |
| 07:49.03 | day | Dtech: because they use the mozilla logo |
| 07:49.19 | babilen | Dtech: I guess because some of them don't change the logos because they have less stringent rules about what is considered "free" |
| 07:49.19 | day | Dtech: the question is, why dont have other distributions problems with firefox |
| 07:49.32 | peetaur2 | Dtech: what did debian do that was revoked? are you saying it was the same thing that all the others do? (Just repackage and patch basically?) |
| 07:49.59 | peetaur2 | using the right logo on the things is just fair use ... :D the reason can't be that simple |
| 07:50.00 | babilen | Dtech: And, in case that isn't obvious by now, dpkg is a bot. |
| 07:50.14 | Dtech | We all have our preferences. Mine is not for Chrome. Chromium, I can handle in limited doses. YES I'm aware of the dang differences and I like the sandboxed model, but the lack of extensions and the Dev's "This is NOT a democracy" crappy attitude-- well they can go SHOVE IT. |
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| 07:50.45 | and0r | shove what exactly? what's the big deal? do you even know anymore or are you just being edgy? |
| 07:50.50 | babilen | So, can we move on now or is there an actual support issue? |
| 07:51.08 | Dtech | Day: I can't speak for other distrobutions. Obviously you're asking a rhetorical question you know the answer to.. so what do you pontificate? |
| 07:51.33 | babilen | Please take this general discussion to #debian-offtopic, ta |
| 07:51.50 | day | Dtech: i think i lost track |
| 07:51.51 | Dtech | WAIT |
| 07:52.11 | day | Is this reallife? |
| 07:52.29 | babilen | Seriously, #d-ot |
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| 07:52.50 | Dtech | And0r: So now you're making assumptions about me? they're incorrect, but that's fine. |
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| 07:54.12 | Donse | @peetaur2 thank you! |
| 07:54.14 | and0r | "we all have our preferences" actually, believe it or not, there does exist an inferiority to the decisions you make. some people consider the taste of human feces to be pleasant, while many others do not. please, lets not try and mask poor judgment. although you have every right to it, it certainly is something you should at least be aware of, rather than mire in hopeless ignorance |
| 07:54.15 | Dtech | We WERE discussing Iceweasel and it's non merits, which IS a technical issue, until babilen decided to slap us on the wrist for going off topic when we never did |
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| 07:54.18 | and0r | :^) |
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| 07:54.43 | petern_ | Doesn't look like a Debian support question to me. |
| 07:54.53 | Dtech | And since I don't live online and have a life outside of work, I don't have time to play IRC pecking order games. Let's keep it real. |
| 07:55.08 | babilen | Dtech: It is a bit more involved than that and you are well aware of that. Apart from that it is not a support question and much better suited in #debian-offtopic, so please .. take it there. |
| 07:55.10 | croddy | we were originally discussing the stable update protocol for the browser. |
| 07:55.21 | Dtech | That too |
| 07:55.29 | croddy | if you want to know why iceweasel... #d-ot. |
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| 07:55.38 | and0r | or hopeless stupidity |
| 07:55.43 | Dtech | *makes a mental note to ignore the noise of And0r* |
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| 07:56.01 | and0r | ah, yes, drown out the logic. THAT will save you |
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| 07:56.11 | babilen | and0r: Drop it |
| 07:56.15 | and0r | see no evil, am i right? behehehehe |
| 07:56.23 | and0r | ok fine |
| 07:56.28 | and0r | lets talk about freenode |
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| 07:56.37 | and0r | passes out |
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| 07:56.43 | Dtech | There's no logic in flames and nonsense that you spew. You're proving yourself to be a troll. NOW, LET'S GET BACK ON TOPIC. You're DEVIATING. |
| 07:56.54 | babilen | and0r: No, lets not talk about freenode |
| 07:57.08 | babilen | Dtech: Move on and please remain calm |
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| 07:58.20 | Dtech | Bab: What makes you think I'm not calm? -- And0r is acting like a middle school jack ass, and you expect me to be happy? I've said my peace, now i'm done. NOW, ARE WE CLEAR? |
| 07:58.41 | Dtech | Good |
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| 07:59.37 | babilen | The mere fact that you are resorting to the equivalent of screaming questions your statement. Either way, lets move on. Now. |
| 07:59.38 | Dtech | Debian truly needs a control panel for hardware, it would save time looking at individual setup files |
| 07:59.46 | croddy | it has like a dozen |
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| 08:00.26 | some-cowbell | maybe trhat's what he's saying the problem is... maybe the dozen needs a means of combination |
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| 08:00.51 | Dtech | I wasn't screaming. You can't scream on IRC. And YOU don't issue ME ultimatums, buddy boy. You're getting very close to getting a DDOS. |
| 08:01.00 | bezaban | woo |
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| 08:01.03 | croddy | oh wow |
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| 08:01.09 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 08:05.31 | qsuscs | (what theâ¦) |
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| 08:07.48 | GazzaBaza | How can I make sure vmware tools has been installed propery on debian 7 |
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| 08:11.05 | tnb-89 | Hello, I am using Apache server on Debian. I have a radio flash player I coded. |
| 08:11.12 | babilen | GazzaBaza: Make sure in a script or manually for yourself? But then, this really also depends on the way you install VMWare and, given that it is not packaged in Debian, something you might want to discuss with VMWare support. |
| 08:11.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell GazzaBaza about vmware |
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| 08:11.33 | tnb-89 | I have an issue. When I do ctrl+Enter test inside flash, the external XML file loads |
| 08:11.53 | tnb-89 | but when I move in to Debian server, it loads only on Debian machine |
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| 08:12.06 | tnb-89 | In all other machines, it tells that it's unable to load |
| 08:12.13 | tnb-89 | what the problem may be? |
| 08:12.31 | babilen | tnb-89: So it works on Debian but nowhere else? |
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| 08:13.10 | tnb-89 | babilen: yes. Icecast2 is on Debian. But when Icecast2 was on Windows, it still worked only on Debian where I placed flash player. |
| 08:13.38 | tnb-89 | So, on Debian and inside Flash CS6 it works |
| 08:14.01 | babilen | So if you host it on Debian it works, but if you run it on Windows it doesn't (regardless of client) ? |
| 08:14.09 | tnb-89 | Yes, true. |
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| 08:14.17 | tnb-89 | http://7stm.org/radio/ this player |
| 08:14.18 | babilen | I don't see how that is a problem with Debian :) |
| 08:14.30 | tnb-89 | Maybe some config or chmod |
| 08:14.38 | tnb-89 | Don't know, but I did it 777 on player |
| 08:15.02 | GazzaBaza | ok thanks |
| 08:15.07 | GazzaBaza | I'll hit up vmware support |
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| 08:16.07 | babilen | tnb-89: It works on Debian and that player has not been packaged in Debian (at least that is my understanding) -- You might want to ask them how to get it running on Windows or ask #httpd on how to configure your webserver on Windows. |
| 08:16.37 | tnb-89 | babilen: Thank you :) |
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| 08:29.22 | stojic | politely points to the outdated "current point release" in /topic. |
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| 08:33.25 | babilen | stojic: I don't think there has been an announcement yet |
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| 08:33.58 | babilen | If you have one, I'll happily change the topic, but it would be preferred to be able to provide some background information |
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| 08:36.29 | stojic | babilen: I see, the info is already on debian.org homepage and on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ |
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| 08:36.57 | babilen | stojic: Ah, so it made it there finally. Thank you. |
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| 08:38.43 | babilen | stojic: It'll be announced soon⢠(something blocked the announcement) and we'll change the topic once we got hold the changelog. Sorry for that. |
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| 08:40.54 | stojic | babilen: No problem at all, just noticed the topic while idly waiting to start feeling productive this morning ;-). |
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| 08:41.04 | babilen | heh, sure :) |
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| 08:46.54 | johi | Hello. Is there a solution to using OpenVPN on jessie after the systemd downgrade? I am fine with editing /etc/default/openvpn to disable/enable specific tunnels each time, however OPTARGS are now completely ignored and my scripts no longer work, so neither do my VPNs |
| 08:47.30 | johi | I did install openvpn from experimental, because the systemd/openvpn bug was supposedly fixed there, but nothing changed |
| 08:47.59 | babilen | systemd downgrade? |
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| 08:48.29 | some-cowbell | johi, not sure I have a solution, just wanted to know if you had worked up the scripts yourself |
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| 08:48.44 | peetaur2 | systemd is more of a side-grade ... many things worse and many things better |
| 08:48.47 | babilen | johi: But first and foremost: You probably want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) for that. Please also refer to the bugs in question (as it is much easier for us if we don't have to dig them up ourselves) |
| 08:48.56 | johi | some-cowbell: Only the route-up script of each VPN :) |
| 08:49.00 | Blue1 | babilen: this may/may not help: http://pkill-9.com/openvpn-revisited-howto-install-configure-openvpn/ |
| 08:49.27 | some-cowbell | johi, are those the scripts that you're having trouble with? |
| 08:49.29 | peetaur2 | I think you should be more specific though on what your scripts do, especially why you think they have something to do with the init system |
| 08:50.42 | johi | Ah, OK, sorry, well it is bug 700888, sorry for leaving that out :) |
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| 08:50.52 | babilen | judd: bug 700888 |
| 08:50.53 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/700888 in openvpn (closed): «Can't start OpenVPN using ifupdown when running systemd»; severity: normal; opened: 2013-02-18; last modified: 2014-06-26. |
| 08:51.10 | babilen | judd: And why did you downgrade systemd and from which version to which other version? |
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| 08:51.36 | some-cowbell | judd, did you downgrade yourself again??! |
| 08:51.36 | babilen | s/judd/johi ^^^ |
| 08:51.42 | babilen | some-cowbell: har har |
| 08:51.50 | johi | some-cowbell: Yes, it route-up run because --script-security 2 is ignored from /etc/default/openvpn. |
| 08:52.12 | johi | s/run/doesn't run/ :) |
| 08:52.30 | some-cowbell | johi, and you're not having any trouble with any other scripts, is that right? |
| 08:52.33 | babilen | I'm still unsure what downgrade you are referring to? |
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| 08:53.46 | johi | babilen: The disappearance of the feature to specify VPN name after `/etc/init.d/openvpn start' :) |
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| 08:54.43 | some-cowbell | you mean like /etc/init.d/openvpn start the-foo-vpn |
| 08:54.59 | babilen | johi: So you are not referring to a downgrade at all, but a loss of functionality after you transitioned/switched to systemd as init system? |
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| 08:57.19 | babilen | johi: If "nothing changed" the bug has obviously not been fixed. I would use reportbug to provide additional information on the bug tracker and, time permits, discuss it in #debian-systemd -- But shouldn't the inclusion of the openvpn.service file have solved that issue? |
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| 08:57.55 | some-cowbell | so, the scripts in /etc/init.d (well most of them anyway) are meant to be fed a single parameter, representing what to do, start, stop, reload, restart (and a few other possibilities I forgot). |
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| 08:58.04 | babilen | I also drop #debian-next again, btw :) |
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| 08:58.18 | johi | babilen: Yes, excuse the colourful language.:) OK, I will test a few more things, and then add a comment on the bug report. Thanks |
| 08:58.46 | some-cowbell | you certainly can write a single script for all your vpns, and it shouldn't go in /etc/init.d |
| 08:58.56 | babilen | some-cowbell: My understanding after reading the bug is that the init scripts shouldn't be used at all, but have been replaced by the native systemd functionality due to the inclusion of the .service file for openvpn |
| 08:59.31 | some-cowbell | oh, so something is working really differently... great :) |
| 08:59.38 | babilen | johi: Colourful language is okay, it is just that "downgrade" has a very specific meaning in Debian :) |
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| 09:00.40 | babilen | johi: So, the original bug has been fixed, but you are experiencing *another bug* because the .service file is not a perfect substitute for the old init script and needs additional functionality? |
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| 09:00.43 | some-cowbell | babilen, do you think systemd is the One True Future? |
| 09:00.58 | some-cowbell | or jury still out? |
| 09:01.55 | babilen | I have no interest in getting into this discussion at all and it is also not relevant to the problem at hand. I know that it will be the default init system for jessie (and most likely releases after that) and that is all I have to know. |
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| 09:02.31 | johi | OK, turns out I was wrong - functionality has been changed, not gone. After looking at the service files, /etc/init.d/openvpn start vpnname is now systemctl start openvpn@vpnname |
| 09:02.42 | some-cowbell | sounds like the answer is yes for short futures |
| 09:03.03 | johi | So if anyone is wondering how to start a specific VPN, that's how it works now. Thanks everyone for the input. |
| 09:03.05 | babilen | johi: Yes, sure. You have to use systemctl on systemd. |
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| 09:03.36 | some-cowbell | Good, I learned something |
| 09:03.52 | babilen | johi: Ah, fair enough. You might be interested in reading http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-1.html and the rest of the series |
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| 09:05.45 | codepython777 | I want to add dotdeb from command line , install redis from there, and then remove dotdeb from my sources. is there a tool to ease this compared to echo + > /et... ? |
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| 09:06.51 | babilen | dpkg: dotdeb |
| 09:06.52 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
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| 09:07.38 | babilen | codepython777: I'd create a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and remove it ... |
| 09:07.41 | codepython777 | babilen: i've that link - i just wanted to see if there is a tool that helps in manipulating sources.list and installs? |
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| 09:08.51 | codepython777 | babilen: if i remove it, i will have problems when i run update/upgrade again, right? Security Patches for instance? |
| 09:09.31 | babilen | You won't get any security updates, yes. Not that dotdeb has a very good track record at that to begin with. |
| 09:09.49 | babilen | judd: v redis-server |
| 09:09.50 | judd | Package: redis-server on i386 -- squeeze: 2:1.2.6-1; wheezy: 2:2.4.14-1; squeeze-backports: 2:2.4.15-1~bpo60+2; wheezy-backports: 2:2.8.6-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.8.11-1; sid: 2:2.8.12-1 |
| 09:10.00 | babilen | codepython777: Why don't you install ^^^ |
| 09:10.09 | codepython777 | babilen: at least it does update the packages. redis = 2.8.12 on dotdeb |
| 09:10.30 | babilen | And you need that urgently and will compromise your system's stability for it? |
| 09:10.40 | codepython777 | babilen: these are not even supported by redis. I dont know why 2.2.x is even there in debian? |
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| 09:10.58 | babilen | I don't see 2.2 at all |
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| 09:11.28 | Shadow_7 | does this imply that the LAMP stack in debian is inherently broke? Or can it be used mostly the same way as any other lamp stack? |
| 09:11.30 | some-cowbell | isn't dotdeb known to throw allergens at debian? |
| 09:11.36 | makalu | I updated my unstable install yesterday and it removed the binary nvidia driver. What should I do? |
| 09:11.46 | Shadow_7 | without the dotdeb usage |
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| 09:11.54 | babilen | Shadow_7: I don't follow, why should it be broken? |
| 09:12.12 | codepython777 | babilen: oh! So wheezy-backports is 2.8.x and so is jessie/sid |
| 09:12.22 | some-cowbell | makalu, what do you want the result to be? |
| 09:12.25 | makalu | I can't install it, I get that unmet dependencies error |
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| 09:12.43 | makalu | I want to continue using the nvidia proprietary driver |
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| 09:12.52 | babilen | Shadow_7: dotdeb (which is a third-party repository which is totally unrelated to Debian) is shipping packages of dubious quality that cause problems here and there (in particular during upgrades) |
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| 09:13.08 | codepython777 | babilen: seems like both dotdeb and backports have the same problems = unstable boxes? |
| 09:13.09 | babilen | makalu: You want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 09:13.16 | Shadow_7 | normally supplemental repositories means the base one does NOT do something that is desired. |
| 09:13.19 | some-cowbell | ok, and since you're getting "unmet deps", you're having a problem |
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| 09:13.53 | makalu | thanks babilen |
| 09:14.02 | makalu | I'll ask there then |
| 09:14.18 | Shadow_7 | like in the old days, alsa in debian lacked the --with-sequencer=yes flag |
| 09:14.22 | babilen | codepython777: I would use the package from wheezy-backports and not dotdeb. dotdeb has a really bad track record and you would also lose all Debian support if you use packages from dotdeb. |
| 09:14.41 | codepython777 | babilen: so just add backports, install redis and then remove backports? |
| 09:14.51 | codepython777 | or can i leave it there - and get a stable production quality system ? |
| 09:14.52 | babilen | makalu: And you might not want to perform some dist-upgrades at the moment if that renders some packages uninstallable |
| 09:15.51 | some-cowbell | you can add backports, then install from backports by selecting it (-t wheezy-backports) and leave the backports source there |
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| 09:16.30 | babilen | codepython777: No, leave backports in. "stable" in the context of Debian simply means "not changing". So you make your system unstable simply by installing a different version. Packages from backports are backported from testing and should have undergone some testing and have been compiled against the libraries in wheezy. We use them frequently, but they are, naturally, not as thoroughly tested as the versions in wheezy. |
| 09:16.57 | codepython777 | thanks |
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| 09:17.13 | babilen | codepython777: But that is *always* the case if you use newer versions as they simply can't have been tested for that long. |
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| 10:13.43 | XYZAFFA1R | I am on debian wheezy and I want to install a package from squeeze, do I just add the squeeze backport? |
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| 10:16.10 | peetaur2 | XYZAFFA1R: did you first look in something actually intended for wheezy, such as wheezy backports? |
| 10:16.22 | XYZAFFA1R | Yes |
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| 10:22.07 | XYZAFFA1R | peetaur2, yes... |
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| 10:22.13 | musca | XYZAFFA1R: which package are you interested in? |
| 10:22.14 | edocod | hi |
| 10:22.24 | XYZAFFA1R | btnx |
| 10:22.44 | edocod | what happens if i put wheezy-backports in jessie? |
| 10:22.53 | edocod | global system breakage? |
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| 10:23.36 | woffs | global nonsense :-D |
| 10:24.02 | edocod | woffs, but it has sense if packages i need aren't in jessie because their last version is broken :( |
| 10:24.02 | XYZAFFA1R | musca, btnx |
| 10:24.11 | babilen | edocod: Packages are backported *from* jessie to wheezy. It therefore doesn't make sense to have wheezy-backports on jessie. |
| 10:24.39 | babilen | edocod: Then pull them from unstable, it's a common occurrence that packages are removed from testing. |
| 10:24.52 | babilen | You also want #debian-next for testing/unstable support :) |
| 10:25.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell edocod -about tum |
| 10:25.10 | edocod | yeah! |
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| 10:25.27 | edocod | i was was waiting for that message |
| 10:25.35 | edocod | dpkg bot is very useful |
| 10:25.36 | dpkg | ...but bot is already something else... |
| 10:25.45 | DoctorWedgeworth | I'm trying to use iptables to redirect a port onto localhost but it doesn't work. It looks like I need to enable net.ipv4.conf.eth0.route_localnet but it says unknown key, find /proc -name \*localnet\* shows nothing and apropos localnet doesn't match anything. I'm on 2.6.32-5 Debian 6. Does it have a different name? |
| 10:25.49 | meek_geek | hi |
| 10:25.52 | edocod | dpkg, don't be sad |
| 10:25.53 | dpkg | edocod: are you using Windows? |
| 10:25.55 | meek_geek | How to optimize debian ? |
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| 10:26.05 | edocod | dpkg, no, debian 8 jessie |
| 10:26.06 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, edocod |
| 10:26.17 | babilen | edocod: Please stop playing with the bot. |
| 10:26.45 | edocod | but someone implemented these features, they need to be used! |
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| 10:28.51 | petn-randall | edocod: /query dpkg, then play with it to your heart's content. |
| 10:29.42 | XYZAFFA1R | I am on debian wheezy and I want to install a package from squeeze, how do I do so? |
| 10:30.25 | some-cowbell | the best is to grab the package source and build the package, then install it |
| 10:30.45 | XYZAFFA1R | some-cowbell, Was that meant for me? |
| 10:30.50 | some-cowbell | yeah |
| 10:31.05 | XYZAFFA1R | Ok |
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| 10:32.09 | musca | meek_geek: do you miss the ransomware which tells you to install registrycleaners to disable unwanted spyware? This is not windows ... |
| 10:32.37 | some-cowbell | you would extract the source, cd in there and run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 10:32.44 | meek_geek | musca, bt the problem is Debian xfce is performing way lower than Xubuntu 14 |
| 10:33.02 | some-cowbell | but that's assuming you have all the stuff needed to build things, and needed to build your specific thing |
| 10:33.29 | romm | Does anyone know what could be the reason for scp not being able to copy files from /tmp, but work without a problem with files in my home dir? |
| 10:33.42 | musca | meek_geek: okay, how do you notice the low performance? |
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| 10:34.18 | meek_geek | musca, even the image viewer and pdf viewer is way slower in comparison |
| 10:34.54 | some-cowbell | did you get that, so there's two different sets of stuff that's required to build your thign |
| 10:35.28 | musca | meek_geek: okay, let's assume some graphical performance issue. which vga card and driver do you use? |
| 10:35.29 | XYZAFFA1R | some-cowbell, What do I need to build it? |
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| 10:35.58 | some-cowbell | first you need the compilers and binary tools |
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| 10:36.15 | XYZAFFA1R | some-cowbell, and those are? |
| 10:36.16 | some-cowbell | there's a package you can install for that, it's called build-essential |
| 10:36.21 | meek_geek | musca, I have a AMD C-60 APU which requires non-free firmware to make it work |
| 10:36.36 | meek_geek | musca, I installed it already |
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| 10:36.57 | XYZAFFA1R | some-cowbell, Ok, im installing build-essential |
| 10:37.16 | musca | meek_geek: the free radeon driver needs the non-free firmware, that's correct. |
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| 10:37.26 | some-cowbell | so install that first (some of it may already be on your installation as you might have built drivers already) |
| 10:38.02 | XYZAFFA1R | ok |
| 10:38.03 | XYZAFFA1R | its installed |
| 10:38.05 | meek_geek | musca, I did install it and still no use! its 350 percent slower than Xubuntu 14.04 |
| 10:38.17 | some-cowbell | so gang, for wheezy, how do I get a package's source |
| 10:38.50 | some-cowbell | XYZAFFA1R: are you sure you want the earlier one? |
| 10:39.01 | duggles | some-cowbell: iirc apt-get source |
| 10:39.03 | some-cowbell | just making sure |
| 10:39.03 | XYZAFFA1R | some-cowbell, The earlier what? |
| 10:39.24 | some-cowbell | XYZAFFA1R: didn't you say you wanted to install a package from squeeze? |
| 10:39.31 | XYZAFFA1R | some-cowbell, Yes |
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| 10:39.43 | XYZAFFA1R | It isnt in wheezy |
| 10:39.58 | some-cowbell | ok, |
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| 10:40.22 | some-cowbell | what's the package? |
| 10:40.32 | XYZAFFA1R | btnx |
| 10:40.34 | musca | meek_geek: i don't know the AMD C-60 APU, but you can try the fglrx driver, either from debian non-free or wheezy-backports non-free. |
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| 10:41.11 | musca | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 10:41.12 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:13.12-4~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:14.4.2-1; sid/non-free: 1:14.4.2-1; experimental/non-free: 1:14.6~betav1.0-1 |
| 10:41.26 | some-cowbell | alright, you need to add a line that looks like this: |
| 10:41.33 | XYZAFFA1R | ok |
| 10:41.48 | meek_geek | musca, I have a question but wheezy backports ; if I install any app from backports would it update/upgrade with apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 10:42.10 | some-cowbell | deb-src http://http.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 10:42.10 | meek_geek | for example i did install hexchat from wheezy backports |
| 10:42.26 | some-cowbell | you're going to add that line to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:42.47 | musca | meek_geek: yes, if it was already installed from wheezy-backports |
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| 10:43.06 | XYZAFFA1R | some-cowbell, Ok done. |
| 10:43.16 | some-cowbell | the url is wrong, let me find one |
| 10:43.31 | meek_geek | musca, ok hope you understand my question |
| 10:43.33 | some-cowbell | !squeeze sources |
| 10:43.34 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze/updates> <squeeze-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
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| 10:44.22 | some-cowbell | ok, here comes the corrected url (just the second "word") |
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| 10:44.38 | some-cowbell | http://http.debian.net/debian/ |
| 10:45.04 | some-cowbell | so you just need to change .org to .net |
| 10:45.55 | XYZAFFA1R | some-cowbell, Then what? |
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| 10:46.06 | some-cowbell | then run apt-get update |
| 10:46.12 | XYZAFFA1R | Already did |
| 10:46.36 | some-cowbell | ok, find a dir where you want the source to be downloaded into |
| 10:46.45 | XYZAFFA1R | done |
| 10:46.51 | some-cowbell | cd to that dir |
| 10:46.59 | XYZAFFA1R | done |
| 10:47.03 | some-cowbell | then run apt-get source btnx |
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| 10:47.25 | XYZAFFA1R | ok |
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| 10:47.51 | some-cowbell | if you ls, you shoudl have four things, one of which is a dir |
| 10:48.11 | some-cowbell | yes? |
| 10:48.13 | XYZAFFA1R | yep |
| 10:48.33 | some-cowbell | ok, run this first: apt-get build-dep btnx |
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| 10:49.02 | babilen | XYZAFFA1R: Just out of curiosity: Which package is this about? |
| 10:49.09 | XYZAFFA1R | babilen btnx |
| 10:49.11 | some-cowbell | btnx |
| 10:49.13 | XYZAFFA1R | done |
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| 10:49.24 | some-cowbell | did it install something? |
| 10:49.28 | XYZAFFA1R | yes |
| 10:50.02 | some-cowbell | great, so -theoretically-, you should now have what's needed to build btnx |
| 10:50.10 | XYZAFFA1R | ok |
| 10:50.12 | DoctorWedgeworth | I'm trying to use iptables to redirect a port onto localhost but it doesn't work. It looks like I need to enable net.ipv4.conf.eth0.route_localnet but it says unknown key, find /proc -name \*localnet\* shows nothing and apropos localnet doesn't match anything. I'm on 2.6.32-5 Debian 6. Does it have a different name? |
| 10:50.13 | some-cowbell | cd into the dir that got downloaded |
| 10:50.31 | XYZAFFA1R | ok |
| 10:50.39 | some-cowbell | babilen, how do you dpkg-buildpackage and not sign it? |
| 10:51.23 | babilen | some-cowbell: "-us -uc" |
| 10:51.30 | some-cowbell | thanks :) |
| 10:51.41 | babilen | Also "man dpkg-buildpackage" ;) |
| 10:51.55 | some-cowbell | XYZAFFA1R: run: dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc |
| 10:52.25 | XYZAFFA1R | its done |
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| 10:52.29 | XYZAFFA1R | is that all? |
| 10:52.37 | some-cowbell | not quite. |
| 10:52.40 | some-cowbell | cd .. |
| 10:52.41 | XYZAFFA1R | ok |
| 10:52.45 | some-cowbell | and look in there |
| 10:52.50 | some-cowbell | what do you see? |
| 10:52.55 | XYZAFFA1R | ok |
| 10:53.04 | some-cowbell | is there a .deb? |
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| 10:53.10 | XYZAFFA1R | yes |
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| 10:53.25 | some-cowbell | does it say btnx_something.deb? |
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| 10:53.32 | XYZAFFA1R | Yes |
| 10:53.39 | some-cowbell | you did it! |
| 10:53.44 | XYZAFFA1R | aw man |
| 10:53.46 | some-cowbell | you foreported btnx |
| 10:53.54 | some-cowbell | now you need to install it |
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| 10:53.55 | XYZAFFA1R | so run that deb? |
| 10:53.59 | XYZAFFA1R | ok |
| 10:54.11 | some-cowbell | dpkg -i btnx_*.deb |
| 10:54.11 | dpkg | removes a lung from some-cowbell and replaces it with btnx_*.deb |
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| 10:54.41 | some-cowbell | pours the contents of the lung onto dpkg |
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| 10:54.57 | XYZAFFA1R | some-cowbell, Well now I need to do the same with a dep :) |
| 10:55.13 | some-cowbell | there's a dep? |
| 10:55.17 | woffs | XYZAFFA1R: or just run aptitude -f install |
| 10:55.27 | XYZAFFA1R | woffs, ok |
| 10:55.35 | XYZAFFA1R | but the dep is from squeeze. |
| 10:55.46 | some-cowbell | maybe the dep will be satisfied from the wheezy package? |
| 10:55.57 | woffs | just try it |
| 10:56.00 | XYZAFFA1R | some-cowbell, Nope it told me I need the dep |
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| 10:56.45 | XYZAFFA1R | woffs, it pulled up a menu thing |
| 10:56.48 | some-cowbell | ok, hmm. you don't think the dep needs a dep... do you? |
| 10:57.00 | XYZAFFA1R | some-cowbell, I would cry. |
| 10:57.09 | XYZAFFA1R | some-cowbell, Probably not |
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| 10:57.36 | woffs | XYZAFFA1R: "aptitude -f install" does ask questions, but no menu things. usually. |
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| 10:58.06 | XYZAFFA1R | woffs, Nope, guess I need to do the same thing for the dep |
| 10:58.25 | bl4ckdu5t | I did a dd if=debfile.iso of=/dev/path ; sync |
| 10:58.48 | bl4ckdu5t | and when I try to load my USB stick from boot, I get a bin corrupt error |
| 10:58.59 | bl4ckdu5t | so I'm not able to boot into the USB stick |
| 10:59.07 | bl4ckdu5t | Is this a common problem? |
| 10:59.12 | bl4ckdu5t | using dd |
| 11:00.01 | bl4ckdu5t | I also experienced this when I umount-ed the USB path and did a cp debfile.iso /dev/path |
| 11:00.12 | bl4ckdu5t | I may have to use unetbootin now |
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| 11:01.39 | woffs | bl4ckdu5t: sure both the usb and the iso were not mounted during dd? nb, you dont need to "sync" after dd. |
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| 11:02.15 | XYZAFFA1R | some-cowbell, When building the dep I got this dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2 |
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| 11:06.09 | edocod | amazing! |
| 11:06.19 | edocod | i was able to install my package with -t :D |
| 11:06.19 | XYZAFFA1R | some-cowbell, You there? |
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| 11:06.41 | edocod | and it's running even smoother than ubuntu studio, that has rt kernel :D |
| 11:06.59 | ikonia | rt doesnt make it run smooth |
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| 11:07.12 | ikonia | its a real time clock |
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| 11:08.13 | edocod | has anyone ever tried this? http://liquorix.net/ |
| 11:08.55 | ikonia | how is that anything to do with #debian ? |
| 11:09.01 | bl4ckdu5t | woffs: The USB was mounted |
| 11:09.15 | bl4ckdu5t | The ISO was on the current machine |
| 11:09.24 | bl4ckdu5t | It wasn't mounted anywhere |
| 11:09.35 | bl4ckdu5t | I'll retry with the ISO not mounted |
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| 11:10.20 | edocod | ikonia, well, it's raccomended on the debian wiki |
| 11:10.47 | sarid | hello, i'm looking through the man pages on debian 7.5 and it seems to be missing the man page for the bind syscall, any ideas as to why? |
| 11:10.50 | edocod | *recommended |
| 11:11.56 | ikonia | edocod: the official debian wiki actually recommends using a different kernel ? |
| 11:12.39 | edocod | whoops! it was an unofficial wiki for debian |
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| 11:12.40 | edocod | hehe |
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| 11:12.52 | ikonia | shock horror |
| 11:12.59 | edocod | i guess i'll just install the pae kernel then |
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| 11:13.28 | dawn_star | Hello |
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| 11:14.19 | dawn_star | I am looking for an alternative to the ath9k firmware. I found the ath9k firmware to be buggy and have a mind of it's own. |
| 11:14.27 | ikonia | edocod: why do you need the pae kernel ? |
| 11:14.50 | sarid | pae's only good for 32-bit systems with more than 4G of ram |
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| 11:15.53 | p0g0 | dawn_star: aside from the deprecated madwifi driver, there is no alternative, and madwifi is not really an option. You may find other versions of ath9k more stable than others. |
| 11:16.19 | p0g0 | dawn_star: there are commercial drivers from atheros too, I suppose. |
| 11:16.36 | dawn_star | p0g0: Please can I have a link? I couldn't find any. |
| 11:17.24 | p0g0 | for versions of ath9k or for Qualcomm/Atheros commercial stuff? |
| 11:17.45 | dawn_star | p0g0: Both. |
| 11:17.50 | dawn_star | thank you :) |
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| 11:23.39 | DoctorWedgeworth | does Debian not implement route_localnet? Doesn't seem to show in any of the kernels I've tested |
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| 11:27.50 | gapz | hi |
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| 11:28.29 | sarid | yeah, it seems debian doesn't have the bind(2) manpage even though it references it in ip |
| 11:29.00 | p0g0 | dawn_star: look at the repository history and/or the standard linux kernel versions here: https://www.kernel.org/ , look at how to merge newer versions to older kernels here: https://backports.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page The commercial offerings are from outfits like StarOS or Qualcomm/Atheros directly, you can look them up. |
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| 11:31.35 | sarid | lol |
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| 11:31.55 | sarid | nevermind about that issue. it seems it installs the bind(2) manpage whenever you install gcc |
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| 11:40.43 | Jn_Kell | Hi all, what is the best place to configure system-wide proxies? |
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| 11:51.27 | edocod_ | yeah! |
| 11:51.32 | edocod_ | debian looks pretty now :D |
| 11:51.32 | edocod_ | http://i.imgur.com/hx3m1AG.png |
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| 11:55.11 | mallxs | Hi, Can someone advice me on a SOCKs server for a multihomed machine ? |
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| 12:10.05 | SPF | what is a good program to fetch a rtsp snapshot besides curl (wget does not support rtsp) |
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| 12:17.33 | LordDeath | 7.6 is released but we don't have a release announcement, yet? |
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| 12:18.18 | abrotman | LordDeath: Right, the pre-announcement was sent though |
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| 12:22.55 | ksk | hey. what would be the easiest to see a changelog of a package coming from squeeze-lts? |
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| 12:26.32 | Brigo | eg0x, may be using /proc/net |
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| 12:34.01 | pablo | hello guys, is there a way to list the packages installed on my system that are not dependencies of other packages similar to what deborphan used to do? |
| 12:34.03 | woffs | eg0x: put something in crontabs |
| 12:34.06 | petn-randall | eg0x: Reboot and don't restore those iptables rules? |
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| 12:34.34 | eg0x | thanks a lot guys, i found that entry in /etc/firewall.conf and deleted it. all fine now :) |
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| 12:34.45 | eg0x | need a coffee ;) |
| 12:35.34 | petn-randall | eg0x: Doesn't sounds like something that's set up by Debian ... |
| 12:35.49 | backSlasher | I'm having a weird experience with iostat with RAID1 - it shows one drive as spammed with write requests, and the other completely idle. Both drives are twin SSDs (afaik bought and installed at the same time), so doesn't make much sense to me |
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| 12:36.26 | eg0x | petn-randall, its a virtual server, perhaps its caused by something from that installation |
| 12:36.32 | petn-randall | backSlasher: Can you paste an excerpt of 'iostat -xm 1' to http://paste.debian.net? |
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| 12:37.36 | backSlasher | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/109653/ |
| 12:37.49 | gigo19801 | hi together. i have setuped my debian system as hotspot (AP-mode) how can i automaticly redirect to an user that i can make webauth ? |
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| 12:38.21 | gigo19801 | i did not find the right words for search the technology behind this |
| 12:38.29 | backSlasher | petn-randall, forgot the "m", if it matters http://paste.debian.net/109654/ |
| 12:38.29 | gigo19801 | so it is more a wording topic |
| 12:38.45 | meek_geek | so sup |
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| 12:41.10 | KaaK | gigo19801, the search term you're looking for is 'captive portal' |
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| 12:41.57 | iwilcox | pablo: I have a filthy script for that lying around |
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| 12:42.51 | iwilcox | pablo: I expect the general answer is that you have to go through it manually anyway, so you might as well do a pass with aptitude (un)markauto |
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| 12:43.59 | iwilcox | gigo19801: You're looking for a "captive portal" |
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| 12:45.33 | backSlasher | petn-randall, any thoughts? |
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| 12:49.14 | gigo19801 | hi i know the wording captive portal |
| 12:49.36 | gigo19801 | so i do not need to make the authentification directly |
| 12:50.11 | gigo19801 | i only will open the website that is on the debian system |
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| 12:57.42 | petn-randall | backSlasher: Not really. But does your SSD really get maxed out at 1.59 MB/s? |
| 12:57.52 | meek_geek | yo |
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| 12:59.46 | backSlasher | petn-randall, I truly hope not. I'm considering some TRIM-related issues, but this difference between two drives seemed really weird. Is it a problem in iostat or in my setup? |
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| 13:00.55 | petn-randall | backSlasher: Also, the numbers don't quite add up, assuming md1 is a RAID1 spanning over sda and sdb. TRIM shouldn't create such numbers, TRIM is handled by the drive itself (no I/O that's viewable by iostat). |
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| 13:03.04 | backSlasher | petn-randall, I mean that I need to TRIM, and because I didn't the flash drive behaves very poorly |
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| 13:10.05 | petn-randall | backSlasher: Then trim it and try again. |
| 13:10.52 | backSlasher | petn-randall, any way to check if it needs trimming? We run debian wheezy, so no RAID1 TRIM support currently (I'd have to switch to backports just for that) |
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| 13:16.42 | petn-randall | backSlasher: There's no way to check if it needs trimming, even with backports. TRIM just tells the SSD which parts aren't used by the OS, it's up to the SSD to decide what to do with it. |
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| 13:17.21 | petn-randall | backSlasher: If TRIM is supported in backports, why not use it? You've got a valid use case. |
| 13:17.56 | Donse | exit |
| 13:18.00 | backSlasher | petn-randall, I'm afraid of going non-standard, and I don't even know that this is my issue - my only indication is some funky iostat output |
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| 13:18.33 | frostschutz | backSlasher, if you can afford downtime, just for this experiment... boot a rescue system that supports trimming, trim, boot your normal system afterwards |
| 13:19.00 | petn-randall | Given the data rates, that's close to being down anyway ... >_> |
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| 13:19.37 | frostschutz | should take all of 5 minutes |
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| 13:20.15 | frostschutz | backSlasher, did you ask about this yesterday with a different nick by the way, or is it just me dejavu |
| 13:21.04 | backSlasher | frostschutz, not that I know of. Could be my boss. Do you remember the nick? |
| 13:21.22 | frostschutz | backSlasher, bartzy |
| 13:21.29 | backSlasher | frostschutz, lol yes |
| 13:21.47 | backSlasher | frostschutz, I'll tell him you said hi :P |
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| 13:29.50 | pablo | iwilcox: where is your script? :) |
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| 13:31.07 | iwilcox | pablo: Umm, currently /usr/local/sbin/list-unjustified-packages only :) |
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| 13:33.04 | iwilcox | I can pastebin it for you; I haven't used it for a while but it worked nicely on Ubuntu and has nothing Ubuntu-specific that I can see, but it just sounded like you were looking for a neatly packaged solution, which my script is not. |
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| 13:36.42 | iwilcox | pablo: https://www.refheap.com/88150 |
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| 13:37.08 | iwilcox | (intended to be run from/thrown into cron.daily) |
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| 13:38.44 | iwilcox | ISTR deborphan didn't let you leave a note for yourself why you installed something, so pkgs-rationale allowed comments and blank lines and stuff. |
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| 13:54.48 | mousa | I have a 2TB WD My Book external hard drive connected to my laptop using USB. I was assuming it would be auto mounted, but it does not. So, what to do? |
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| 13:55.40 | Walex | mousa: depends... |
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| 13:56.17 | mousa | Walex, depends on what? |
| 13:56.26 | Walex | mousa: it is not a totally trivial question because of ownership and permissions issues and various crazy desktops etc. |
| 13:56.50 | mousa | Walex, I am using KDE |
| 13:56.57 | Walex | mousa: in particular if you are mounting a VFAT or NTFS volume. |
| 13:57.02 | Tarjaizaid | mousa try to mount manually |
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| 13:57.38 | Walex | mousa: there are lots of HOWTOs ion the subtleties of mounting external drives, especially with NTFS etc. |
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| 13:58.30 | mousa | Tarjaizaid, fdisk does not show the drive, lsusb does not provide enough information that I can use to mount |
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| 13:59.26 | mousa | Walex, I have NTFS partitions on my laptop HDD, and I use fdisk -l to view and mount to mount them manually |
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| 14:00.15 | mousa | Walex, unfortunately that doesn't work with these USB drives |
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| 14:00.51 | Walex | mousa: USB drives as a rule "just work"... |
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| 14:01.15 | Walex | mousa: are you saying that "fdisk -l" does not work on that drive? |
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| 14:02.02 | mousa | Walex, well, USB flash drives just work fine. fdisk -l does not list the external HD |
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| 14:03.00 | Walex | mousa: does not list the drive or the *list of partitions* of the drive? |
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| 14:03.21 | Walex | mousa: is the drive listed by 'lsusb' or 'lsscsi'? |
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| 14:03.51 | mousa | Walex, there's only one partition in the external drive. lsusb shows the drive |
| 14:03.52 | Walex | mousa: I am starting to think that you have a hw problem, probably not enough power from the USB port |
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| 14:04.24 | Walex | mousa: does 'lsscsi' list it? Do you see the partition listed in '/proc/partitions'? |
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| 14:04.37 | Walex | mousa: have you checked 'dmesg | less' for obvious USB errors? |
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| 14:04.57 | mousa | Walex, lsusb output: Bus 002 Device 005: ID 1058:1140 Western Digital Technologies, Inc. |
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| 14:05.19 | seednux | hello all |
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| 14:05.23 | seednux | can someone installed debian uefi installer on Vaio Pro laptop ? |
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| 14:05.31 | seednux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:07.31 | mousa | Walex, my bad! fdisk -l does show it in a different section that I just missed. the drive is mounted |
| 14:07.40 | heurist | seednux: What sort of trouble are you having? |
| 14:08.01 | rtur | I want to install a package and mark it as automatically installed, with aptitude package+M . But the package in question isn't listed as a dependency for any other installed package, so aptitude doesn't even bother to install it. How can I mark the pkg as automatically installed after I've installed it regurally ? |
| 14:09.19 | seednux | heurist: i don't have grub at boot when installed finished |
| 14:09.21 | heurist | rtur: if nothing depends on a package that is auto-installed it will be uninstalled, if you want it installed then that is the definition of "manual" |
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| 14:10.18 | heurist | Seditio: that is bad, does windows still boot? |
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| 14:10.43 | heurist | meant seednux not Seditio, damn autocomplete |
| 14:10.47 | seednux | heurist: i try this method used on same laptop described on this blog |
| 14:10.50 | seednux | heurist: http://www.preining.info/blog/2014/03/debian-linux-sony-vaio-pro-13/ |
| 14:11.22 | rtur | heurist: I know, it's a build dependency and I'll only need it for a couple of minutes. It's just that sometimes I forget to uninstall such packages and tought to mark them as auto installed so they will be removed by the next upgrade. |
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| 14:13.56 | heurist | rtur: well next upgrade will be next time you "g" from aptitude. no easy solution I know of there. PostIt note maybe? |
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| 14:14.50 | heurist | seednux: does windows still boot? |
| 14:15.02 | rtur | heurist: are there good PostIt progs for the cli ? I'm usually connected over ssh. |
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| 14:15.46 | rtur | heurist: Isn't there andy dpkg command I can run so it will change this flag ? |
| 14:15.47 | heurist | vi ~/notes.txt |
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| 14:17.10 | rtur | heurist: yes, thats what I've been doing till now... it would be nice to do it automatically |
| 14:17.19 | heurist | rtur: change it how? that flag says uninstall if nothing needs it, and nothing needs it. set an at job to remove it later if you want a timed remove. |
| 14:17.32 | iwilcox | rtur: I've wanted the same thing a few times; can't be too hard to process the source control file to produce an equivs, and install that |
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| 14:18.19 | gregtom6 | hy all |
| 14:18.32 | seednux | heurist: yes windows still boot |
| 14:18.33 | gregtom6 | how many active connection can be supported by the Debian? |
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| 14:19.04 | iwilcox | rtur: http://www.enricozini.org/2008/tips/undoable-aptget-builddep/ maybe? |
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| 14:19.29 | iwilcox | rtur: Bit old but not too much has changed |
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| 14:19.39 | rtur | iwilcox: Thank you, also for the equivs didn't know about it. |
| 14:20.00 | punkgeek | can i encription /root with LUKS ? |
| 14:21.33 | heurist | seednux: you laptop may have a key to select what too boot during startup (F10 is common), then you can see if debian is listed with the other boot options. |
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| 14:22.03 | heurist | once in debial again you can set the default with efibootmgr or somesuch |
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| 14:22.28 | seednux | heurist: i should choose from boot options ? |
| 14:23.05 | heurist | if your hardware allows that yet, most do. |
| 14:23.46 | heurist | wow I can not type today s/debial/debian/ s/yet/yes/ ... |
| 14:24.02 | seednux | heurist: i try it now ok thx |
| 14:24.10 | heurist | good luck |
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| 14:25.10 | seednux | heurist: this a laptop vaio pro , when i try this boot option method i have rescue mode |
| 14:25.15 | seednux | enter bios |
| 14:25.28 | seednux | or start from usb device or other |
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| 14:25.47 | seednux | heurist: or start windows |
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| 14:26.01 | pommedvs | hi, i would like to know if kernel compression call will take benefit of a gpu ? or not ? |
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| 14:26.56 | pommedvs | i am actually thinking about bying a graphic card, if that would help improve my computer ? |
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| 14:27.13 | seednux | heurist: but it start windows again :/ |
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| 14:28.07 | heurist | seednux: what is the "other" option you mention? |
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| 14:28.44 | seednux | heurist: this mean boot from usb device other mean boot from usb i mean |
| 14:29.13 | seednux | heurist: i don't see any menu which show windows or debian or grub menu |
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| 14:29.45 | heurist | pommedvs: not much software will use GPU to gain speed for non-graphics stuff, only specialised stuff will do that. |
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| 14:30.48 | heurist | seednux: I do not know your specific hardware, maybe boot from the debian install median and try a rescue, then look at efibootmgr. |
| 14:30.57 | pommedvs | heurist, all right, i just found out there was a project named kgpu in the past, but it looks sort of abandonned.. last message i could read was about cuda / opencl.. issues |
| 14:31.07 | heurist | s/median/media/ |
| 14:32.05 | seednux | heurist: with efibootmgr i should fix this boot you mean |
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| 14:33.29 | heurist | seednux: efibootmgr can set the default that efi uses, if it lists debian or grub as well as windows then you also know that efi knows about it, if it is not listed then it may not be installed at all and you need to take other action. |
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| 14:33.57 | pommedvs | thanks much mister heurist ic take care |
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| 14:34.22 | ultidesp | Hi everyone. We are runing PostgreSQL on a FreeBSD server. Recently we want to take the place of freebsd with debian. Is debian good enough for a critical database server? |
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| 14:35.17 | heurist | ultidesp: this is probably the wrong place to ask that, we feel debian is good, but we are biased because we use it. |
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| 14:35.52 | heurist | I would say debian is about the best for critial stuff though. |
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| 14:36.20 | ultidesp | A good place, I think. cause I need some study case. |
| 14:36.55 | petn-randall | ultidesp: kFreeBSD/Debian is an architecture 100% supported by Debian, but it's probably not as widely deployed as the other BSDs, so there's a small chance that you might run into bugs that don't pop up somewhere else. |
| 14:37.54 | heurist | I would not do kfreebsd, would not trust it yet, linux is more tested. |
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| 14:38.57 | petn-randall | ultidesp: Ok, I might have misread it. Do you want to deploy Linux/Debian or kFreeBSD/Debian? |
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| 14:40.18 | ultidesp | to heurist, petn-randall: actually, migration decision is for sure. we need linux/debian. |
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| 14:42.04 | petn-randall | ultidesp: In that case, there's probably a whole bunch of people running that. Stick with stable (currently wheezy), and you'll be fine. New releases are roughly every two years ("when it's ready"), and the upgrade paths are well documented. |
| 14:42.46 | heurist | ultidesp: what petn-randall said. |
| 14:43.07 | ultidesp | heurist: cause we have to run some java application on the same server. but we don't have much debian experience, so we have some worry about that. |
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| 14:43.56 | heurist | ultidesp: wheezy has java 6 and 7 well supported. |
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| 14:45.07 | heurist | ultidesp: debian is the universal OS. Whatever you need to do, you can assume debian does it pretty well. |
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| 14:50.43 | ultidesp | heurist: I know it supports java. the only thing we feel regretful is ZFS. but no choice. finding more ... comfort is always good. we can not find any deployment cases like that. |
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| 14:57.51 | ag4ve | is there somewhere where i can look at the commit log for changes maintainers have made from upstream? |
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| 14:58.24 | babilen | ag4ve: Could you be more specific? (e.g. which package?) |
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| 14:59.00 | babilen | ag4ve: But generally speaking: either changelog.Debian.gz or comments in debian/patches in the source package or VCS commit messages ... |
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| 14:59.54 | ag4ve | there's a debian package for calendarserver, i'm trying to get it working on gentoo - i'm looking the dfsg.diff but i'd really like to know what they were thinking for these changes |
| 15:00.25 | introom | is debian sid really unstable? |
| 15:00.28 | introom | compared to archlinux? |
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| 15:00.52 | introom | I want to have a distro which has dpkg as package managing system while enjoying the most recent packages |
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| 15:01.30 | ag4ve | ok i guess i'll have to live with that then, thanks :/ |
| 15:01.43 | justanotheruser | I just installed yukuake. Which of these is yukuake? http://pastebin.com/vDrP1tWL |
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| 15:02.37 | justanotheruser | *yakuake |
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| 15:03.37 | DammitJim | is there a way to only give a user sudo permissions to become another user? |
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| 15:09.16 | heurist | DammitJim: yes, sudo can be configured to allow only the rights you need. man sudoers |
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| 15:11.48 | DammitJim | heurist, I was reading the man page for sudoers, but I was wondering if there was a specific thing I could set up |
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| 15:12.06 | DammitJim | I'm starting to think the developers need to be able to log on to the box |
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| 15:12.25 | DammitJim | and then be able to update only things that pertain to the jboss user |
| 15:12.40 | DammitJim | finally just have the ability to restart a jboss service (that requires root) |
| 15:13.27 | heurist | DammitJim: your use-case mentioned above is trivial to set up. things like "this user can run this command as root" is exactly what it does |
| 15:13.44 | DammitJim | yeah, that last one is easy |
| 15:14.01 | DammitJim | %dev ALL=(ALL) /sbin/service <service_name> * |
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| 15:14.21 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: to get a list of files from package that's installed use "dpkg -L packagename". You might pipe that output through "grep bin" to try and find the binary to run. Also you could check /usr/share/doc/yakuake. Finally, this channel prefers people to use http://paste.debian.net. Pastebin often has ad, captchas, javascript or just cat pictures instead of the paste. |
| 15:14.42 | DammitJim | but the more complicated one is with regards to be able to copy and edit files that another user owns, but maybe that's not a sudo thing, but a group access thing? |
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| 15:15.33 | Sagar | Hello, how can i run multiple email services (for multiple domains) on one vps. I am using debian wheezy 7 |
| 15:15.41 | heurist | DammitJim: sounds more like group access or acls than sudo. sudo does things as a different user. |
| 15:15.56 | formorer | Sagar: learn postfix. |
| 15:16.25 | Sagar | i know postfix with one domain how can i do that with multiple domains? |
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| 15:16.30 | heurist | Sagar: they are usually called "virtual domains" research that to start. |
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| 15:18.25 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: I really like terminator, but its really glitchy. What is the closest thing to terminator? |
| 15:19.06 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: i just use Gnome Terminal and I'm happy with it. Never used terminator |
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| 15:20.19 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: maybe you'd like screen? |
| 15:21.39 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: ya, I usually use that for remote, but I'll try it + gnome terminal |
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| 15:23.29 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: also was your paste the output from update-alternatives? I don't think yakuake would be an alternative terminal because of how it works.. it runs in the background all the time and drops down when you press a hotkey. There's als "guake" which is like yakuake but GTK based, don't use it either though. |
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| 15:24.36 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: yes it was, which is why I was confused |
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| 15:39.30 | DammitJim | ;q |
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| 15:57.04 | skilz | goto the online accounts within gnome settings <- How do I do this? |
| 15:57.17 | skilz | Is there a command to bring up gnome settings in the terminal |
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| 16:01.31 | jmcnaught | skilz: gnome-control-center |
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| 16:09.11 | vadimkolchev | hi. can any1 help me with my mtp phone connection? |
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| 16:19.12 | seednux | heurist: how can i install efibootmgr from install ? |
| 16:19.18 | seednux | heurist: since i do alt + f2 from terminal i have apt-install not aptitude or apt-get ... |
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| 16:20.09 | heurist | seednux: are you root? |
| 16:20.17 | seednux | heurist: yes i am root |
| 16:20.27 | seednux | heurist: i use debian install uefi |
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| 16:21.07 | ScottE | vadimkolchev: I've had nothing but bad luck with MTP. I switched to using network sync (btsync) and never looked back |
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| 16:21.59 | heurist | seednux: without aptitude or apt-get I have no idea how to easily install it. |
| 16:22.17 | vadimkolchev | ScottE, I see, but I have speeds too slow in terms of internet. Copying is faster |
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| 16:23.10 | petn-randall | vadimkolchev: Describing your actual problem might be the first step to get help here ... ;) |
| 16:23.15 | skilz | Package nss was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 16:23.16 | skilz | Perhaps you should add the directory containing `nss.pc' |
| 16:23.16 | skilz | to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable |
| 16:23.17 | skilz | No package 'nss' found |
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| 16:24.00 | heurist | ScottE: MTP gave me too much grief as well, gave it up but think I used jmtpfs last. |
| 16:24.08 | skilz | Oops sorry |
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| 16:24.17 | skilz | What do I need to install? |
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| 16:24.34 | petn-randall | skilz: Use a paste service such as http://paste.debian.net |
| 16:24.45 | vadimkolchev | petn-randall, sure, I have optimus g phone that I need to connect. It has no usb storage mode, only mtp. so i installed mtp-tools, compiled and installed mtpfs, changed udev rules and restarted udev but still cannot get my device mounted as mtp |
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| 16:26.03 | DacFarren | Hi is there a good rss reader for jessie that can notify me on gdm3 |
| 16:26.06 | DacFarren | ? |
| 16:26.19 | skilz | petn-randall, What do I need to install? |
| 16:26.39 | petn-randall | skilz: A web browser to access that site? |
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| 16:27.35 | petn-randall | vadimkolchev: You should be able to access it via gvfs and any file manager building on that, or rhythmbox/amarok/banshee, etc. |
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| 16:28.12 | vadimkolchev | petn-randall, I know, but it fails to mount giving me errors that libmtp has panic because it fails to open device |
| 16:28.16 | skilz | petn-randall, Im talking about for nss |
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| 16:28.57 | petn-randall | skilz: I'm still missing the link to the paste. My crystal ball is a little foggy today ... |
| 16:29.10 | skilz | Scroll up |
| 16:29.18 | skilz | I pasted 4 lines before getting kicked |
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| 16:29.30 | skilz | IM trying to compile something and it complains about nss |
| 16:30.16 | petn-randall | skilz: Come on, it's not the first time you're asking for support here. Paste the *full* command + output to http://paste.debian.net, half of it went missing due to you being kicked. |
| 16:30.40 | petn-randall | You should know the drill by now. |
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| 16:31.21 | skilz | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/109699/ |
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| 16:32.30 | petn-randall | skilz: And you're trying to 'make' what? |
| 16:32.50 | skilz | Does it really matter what I'm trying to make? |
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| 16:33.02 | skilz | Point is I am missing a nss dependency. |
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| 16:33.40 | petn-randall | skilz: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents, you might have luck with that. |
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| 16:40.41 | duggles | skilz: install libnss3-dev, the nss.pc file should then be in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkgconfig (or something similar to that) |
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| 16:58.34 | tryfan | Hi all, I'm trying to get a preseed partman setup running and I'm hitting very weird outcomes. Here's the recipe: http://pastebin.com/mdtCKKeM |
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| 16:58.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell tryfan -about pastebin.com |
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| 16:59.02 | babilen | tryfan: For next time :) |
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| 16:59.54 | tryfan | I'm ending up with the first partition at 256M, which is fine, and the second md maxes out the disk at 499G |
| 17:00.00 | tryfan | babilen: sorry about that :) http://paste.debian.net/109705/ |
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| 17:01.00 | babilen | yeah, no worry .. it's just an annoying site that makes money of the fact that the great unwashed simply googles for "pastebin" while there are so many better sites. (e.g. http://refheap.com, http://sprunge.us, http://paste.ubuntu.com, ...) |
| 17:01.53 | babilen | Ah, it's been long since I had to debug d-i partition strings |
| 17:02.12 | tryfan | babilen: I used to use the inetpro one, but no one would click on those links outside of networking channels |
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| 17:02.50 | tryfan | well, I'm finally trying to get some automation around my site and this is one of those first steps. |
| 17:04.13 | tryfan | I've rebooted this server probably 30 times today trying to get this just right. I even lowered the third partition down to an absurd 45G out of 500G just to debug, but the second partition always ends up at 499 |
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| 17:05.15 | babilen | tryfan: I can't see it right now. You might want to take it to the mailing list or ask in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net -- It's been at least two years since I wrote that and nothing immediately sticks out to me .. |
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| 17:06.28 | tryfan | thanks for the advice :) |
| 17:07.37 | dondelelcaro | tryfan: ah, so the /dev/sda5 partition is going to max disk, and you don't get a third partition? |
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| 17:08.13 | tryfan | dondelelcaro: precisely |
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| 17:09.58 | tryfan | dondelelcaro: I've tried blanking the partition tables, trying different priority values...nothing seems to make a difference |
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| 17:14.27 | dondelelcaro | tryfan: hrm. You might try increasing the debconf debug level to see what it's doing |
| 17:14.55 | tryfan | dondelelcaro: I'm at level 5, is there any more to see? |
| 17:15.14 | dondelelcaro | tryfan: nope; that's the highest level |
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| 17:15.46 | dondelelcaro | tryfan: there's some more debugging stuff here: http://hands.com/d-i/ but this sounds like a bug to me |
| 17:15.59 | dondelelcaro | tryfan: you might try asking in #debian-boot on irc.debian.org; someone there will probably know better |
| 17:16.22 | dondelelcaro | tryfan: and you're using a relatively current version of the installer, right? [at least wheezy?] |
| 17:16.52 | dondelelcaro | (and totally not related to your problem, but I'd strongly suggest using lvm on top of raid instead of using raid partitions directly) |
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| 17:17.29 | tryfan | dondelelcaro: yeah, this is definitely a revision of 7 |
| 17:17.48 | dondelelcaro | tryfan: cool; sorry we weren't of much help |
| 17:17.59 | tryfan | dondelelcaro: wouldn't that just add a layer of complexity on top of it tho? |
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| 17:18.59 | dondelelcaro | tryfan: yes, but it's a layer of complexity which is very useful if you ever need to change partition sizes, migrate disks, or do anything else |
| 17:19.00 | babilen | There is a way to get the preseed file after a manual install, but I can't find it in my notes right now. |
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| 17:19.16 | babilen | Maybe doing that would allow you to compare the "gold standard" to what you came up with. |
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| 17:19.30 | dondelelcaro | tryfan: if these are just servers that you're going to re-provision and that's not a consideration, then carry on! |
| 17:19.34 | babilen | dondelelcaro: Do you know off the top of your hand what I am referring to? |
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| 17:19.44 | dondelelcaro | babilen: no, unfortunately... |
| 17:19.53 | dondelelcaro | babilen: I've only done the "edit the preseed file by hand" thing |
| 17:20.04 | dondelelcaro | (and I usually just use the auto-partition with lvm setup) |
| 17:20.07 | tryfan | yeah, this is a setup for dns resolvers that I can deploy is 10 minutes |
| 17:20.17 | dondelelcaro | tryfan: ah; awesome... so totally not relevant then |
| 17:20.21 | babilen | I'll ask in boot. It was essentially "You get your install by using this preseed file" .. I saw it before, but failed to add it to my notes. |
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| 17:21.02 | tryfan | I'm going through the debug right now, stupid supermicro java crap that I can't even screenshot |
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| 17:21.21 | dondelelcaro | tryfan: you can use an ssh remote console in the installer |
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| 17:33.08 | elichai2 | hey |
| 17:33.10 | elichai2 | i'm trying to get my volume up, and i still hear it very very low |
| 17:33.25 | elichai2 | Simple mixer control 'Master',0 Capabilities: pvolume pswitch penum Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right Limits: Playback 0 - 31 Mono: Front Left: Playback 31 [100%] [0.00dB] [on] Front Right: Playback 31 [100%] [0.00dB] [on] |
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| 17:41.03 | r-x-w- | I have a question regarding nginx; does anyone have any experience with custom headers not being passed? |
| 17:42.01 | r-x-w- | my custom header: add_header X-Cache $upstream_cache_status; does not show up. |
| 17:42.22 | r-x-w- | I'm on Wheezy running nginx-naxsi |
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| 17:46.53 | f31n | Hi there, may somebody explain me the error message please? i got it fulscreen, but could change back to x again ... http://nopaste.info/a07a5699e0.html |
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| 17:48.37 | BigCo | f31n, That sounds like a catastrophic kernel error (called "Oops"), which may be hardware-related |
| 17:49.21 | f31n | cool, :) ... fuck ... and how do i get more information about that so i could resolve the problem? |
| 17:50.24 | centrx | f31n, You can install and use memtest86+ to check your RAM |
| 17:50.41 | centrx | It's actually a Debian package where you reboot into it selecting the GRUB menu option |
| 17:50.44 | f31n | okay i'll do that |
| 17:50.50 | centrx | Then there must be some Hard Disk checker out there somewhere |
| 17:50.57 | f31n | i guess i've got memtest installed |
| 17:51.50 | f31n | i've got palimpsest and i had tested the harddisk some weeks ago |
| 17:52.00 | f31n | palimpsest is from the gnome reps |
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| 17:53.14 | centrx | ok cool |
| 17:53.21 | centrx | Otherwise it could be motherboard or anything. |
| 17:53.42 | centrx | It is unlikely it is a kernel/software issue if you are using the stable wheezy release with the stock kernel package |
| 17:53.47 | f31n | okay, thanks for that, i'll check on my mem (i hope its the mem) ... |
| 17:53.59 | centrx | and amd64/386 |
| 17:54.11 | f31n | i do exactly that |
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| 17:54.42 | f31n | it started actually to happen when i changed my mainboard ... so maybe it's a mainboard / mem problem |
| 17:55.00 | centrx | ah yes |
| 17:55.03 | f31n | maybe the mainboard doesn't like my 10 software raid |
| 17:55.08 | centrx | Or maybe a loose connector somewhere |
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| 17:55.59 | f31n | thats a good idea, i check the sata wires as well |
| 17:56.04 | Artemis3 | also check psu |
| 17:56.24 | f31n | psu? |
| 17:56.43 | f31n | ah power supply unit? |
| 17:56.48 | Artemis3 | aye |
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| 17:56.59 | meek_geek | yoyo |
| 17:57.04 | f31n | how could i check that? |
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| 17:57.30 | Artemis3 | ideally with one of those testers with fancy lcd screen, or old fashioned multimeter |
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| 17:58.12 | f31n | fancy lcd screen sounds great, but i'll guess i'll stick to the multimeter :) |
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| 17:58.38 | heurist | multimeter may not tell you much, best way to test hardware is to replace it and see if the problem goes away. |
| 17:58.40 | Artemis3 | one of these, but yeah http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/809/tester_cm_24pin.jpg |
| 17:59.34 | f31n | i'll need one of that O_O |
| 17:59.42 | Artemis3 | they are cheap, get one |
| 17:59.54 | Artemis3 | cheaper than another psu anyway :3 |
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| 18:00.27 | meek_geek | sup |
| 18:00.30 | f31n | starting at 3⬠to 23⬠... ordered :) |
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| 18:01.56 | raspberrypifan | does debian have a mascot |
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| 18:06.03 | abrotman | raspberrypifan: not that I've seen |
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| 18:06.48 | raspberrypifan | hm |
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| 18:30.39 | Shai_- | hey guys, i followed ths tutorial to build a deb file http://codeghar.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/create-deb-package-in-ubuntu-very-brief-introduction/ but it turns out to be 5ko even though it compiles 1.2go of bins. Am I missing something ? or did i misunderstand smth ? |
| 18:30.50 | levo | what iso version should I download? there are cd1-8 in debian.org, i'm sure it should be a one cd installation |
| 18:31.03 | abrotman | levo: Do you ahve broadband? |
| 18:31.20 | abrotman | have |
| 18:31.54 | levo | abrotman: 60kb/s at most |
| 18:32.04 | abrotman | is that broadband these dayS? :) |
| 18:32.16 | levo | sure not we can call it dial-up |
| 18:32.41 | abrotman | levo: My question is really, do you want all images? |
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| 18:33.23 | levo | abrotman: i don't want to try it for developing purposes on my virtualbox, not fancy things and so, not even a desktop enviroment if it's possible |
| 18:33.23 | heurist | cd1, dvd1, or netinstall, will all work for installing |
| 18:33.43 | abrotman | levo: I'd go with CD1, and then download what you need from there? |
| 18:33.47 | levo | abrotman: i mean i WANT to :D |
| 18:34.04 | abrotman | levo: CD1 is probably a good subset to start with |
| 18:34.05 | levo | abrotman: so it's not like ubuntu? |
| 18:34.17 | abrotman | where what? you require all 8 to have a working OS? |
| 18:34.19 | levo | download one iso and the other from the repos? |
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| 18:35.12 | heurist | yes, download the first cd or dvd and install everything else from the internet as needed. |
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| 18:36.14 | pydy | hello, where can i find debian for server? |
| 18:36.30 | levo | heurist: thanks |
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| 18:37.00 | Brigo | pydy, there are no such thing like debian for servers, only debian |
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| 18:37.13 | Spec | debian is for servers :p |
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| 18:37.52 | trickyhero | regular debian is great for servers |
| 18:37.54 | jmcnaught | Spec: Debian is universal. Works great on desktops too |
| 18:38.06 | pydy | Brigo: and if i want to install it on server, it will also install X? |
| 18:38.18 | heurist | x is optional |
| 18:38.19 | Brigo | pydy, i will ask you |
| 18:38.29 | Brigo | s/i/it |
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| 18:39.25 | Spec | jmcnaught: i know :) |
| 18:39.30 | pydy | OH, I have to deselect the Desktop Env! thanx! |
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| 18:43.15 | pydy | why should i have invitation for #debian-next? |
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| 18:44.18 | centrx | pydy, The channel is on OFTC |
| 18:44.30 | jmcnaught | pydy: #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net, but you really should use Stable for servers |
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| 18:45.13 | pydy | jmcnaught: don't worry! i'm a sid user :) |
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| 18:45.56 | jmcnaught | pydy: on servers? insanity. |
| 18:46.29 | pydy | jmcnaught: no! my desktop version |
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| 18:53.22 | sim590 | is there an installable web interface that lets you simply modify the content of a directory and it's sub-directories ? |
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| 18:54.09 | sim590 | via http protocol for end user |
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| 19:00.03 | skilz | how to change the symbolic icon of an application? |
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| 19:03.42 | SuperNull | hey guys, cloning a few identical servers here.. using just DD and EFI bios is puking on me .. any advice? |
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| 19:04.59 | slinnky | SuperNull, what's the issue? not booting with UEFI? |
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| 19:06.21 | Brigo | SuperNull, may be the uuids? |
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| 19:08.30 | secris | I did an update a few days ago and now tab complete package names with apt-get does not work any ideas? |
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| 19:10.53 | FuzzyWhirlpool | You should install and reconfigure bash-completion if you are using bash. |
| 19:11.35 | FuzzyWhirlpool | If you need more, just install zsh and replace your login shell with it. |
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| 19:12.32 | secris | actually I was using zsh but switched to bash because zsh kept telling me I misspelled aptitude |
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| 19:13.55 | FuzzyWhirlpool | just copy a .bashrc file from /etc/skel to your homedir. the completion should work again. |
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| 19:14.43 | secris | for zsh or bash? |
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| 19:15.40 | secris | .bashrc nevermind |
| 19:15.59 | secris | clearly I need more coffee |
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| 19:16.24 | FuzzyWhirlpool | .bashrc is for bash. Or you could copy all files on /etc/skel to your homedir. |
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| 19:25.48 | nse | hello, everybody |
| 19:25.57 | |oop | Hello |
| 19:26.11 | nse | i am receiving this error while apt-get update: "W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/dl.google.com_linux_chrome_deb_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages)" |
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| 19:26.52 | nse | everything seems fine with cat /etc/apt/sources.list i just can't find what's wrong. can somebody help me? |
| 19:27.06 | centrx | nse, Pastie your sources.list file? |
| 19:27.24 | nse | ok |
| 19:27.29 | heurist | nse: also look in /etc/apt/sources.d/ |
| 19:28.03 | nse | http://pastebin.com/7pLff7a0 |
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| 19:29.25 | nse | take a look at this, heurist: whale:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# ls |
| 19:29.26 | nse | google-chrome-beta.list google-chrome.list |
| 19:29.54 | centrx | aha |
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| 19:30.22 | heurist | smells like a duplicate to me. |
| 19:30.37 | nmschulte | Does anyone have to deal with MS Exchange on Linux at the office? |
| 19:31.03 | nse | time to remove something? centrx, heurist |
| 19:31.05 | nmschulte | I need to find a way to access a calendar in a public folder on MS Exchange Online (Office 365). |
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| 19:32.00 | SuperNull | hey sorry guys went to a meeting, the booting problem is UEFI for the cloned drives. |
| 19:32.01 | heurist | nse: well, look inside those files and see what you want. probably need to remove one, or some lines from them, the warning tells which line is duplicated |
| 19:32.03 | undead_rattler | so, for some reason, glxinfo segfaults, but only as a regular user. root has no problem at all. user is in the video group. any ideas? |
| 19:32.05 | nmschulte | I'm aware of the mapi-exchange plugin for thunderbird/icedove, but I can't figure out how to access any calendar other than the one in my own mailbox. Further, the only MS product that can do this is MS Outlook; their web app doesn't even let you do this. |
| 19:32.23 | SuperNull | literally trying to clone 60gig SSD to 60gig SSD probably 8 times.. |
| 19:32.43 | nmschulte | SuperNull: and `dd` doesn't work? |
| 19:32.49 | centrx | nse, I would just delete both of those files because chrome is already in Debian as chromium |
| 19:32.57 | centrx | nse, but otherwise you can just delete one of them |
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| 19:33.03 | SuperNull | dd worked to copy the data i believe.. |
| 19:33.09 | heurist | centrx: good point. |
| 19:33.12 | nmschulte | it's all just data. |
| 19:33.26 | nmschulte | nse: the Chromium packaged in Debian is not Google's Chrome. |
| 19:33.27 | SuperNull | just a dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bytes=20M took about 4 minutes and tried to boot into it.. with efi errors |
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| 19:33.47 | nmschulte | SuperNull: I bet you're running into UUID / similar issues. |
| 19:34.20 | heurist | SuperNull: it is not all just "data on the drive" though, some of that data is in nvram on the machine. |
| 19:34.23 | nmschulte | That new SSD is going to have it's own identiers, that the whole boot system (especiall UEFI now, over MBR) uses, that are different on that drive. |
| 19:34.34 | nse | i am just using chrome right now. i just stopped using chromium |
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| 19:34.54 | nse | boht files in that dir have exactly the same content |
| 19:34.55 | centrx | What's wrong with chromium |
| 19:34.57 | nmschulte | heurist: apologies, I didn't get the context; you're probably right; I just saw "copy sdd data to sdd", which is truly "just data". |
| 19:35.02 | SuperNull | i suppose there isn't an easy solution then ? |
| 19:35.16 | nmschulte | centrx: nothing. but if nse want's google's print, or the account sharing, or ... -- that's Chrome, not chromium. |
| 19:35.27 | nse | centrx: i had problems to see youtube videos with it. then i just switched and everything worked out |
| 19:35.48 | nmschulte | nse: as well, isn't hte plugin support for Chromium different from Chrome? PPAPI vs NPAPI support? |
| 19:36.07 | centrx | nse, Oh you probably just needed to install the pepper flash plugin |
| 19:36.15 | centrx | or adobe |
| 19:36.29 | nmschulte | I use (and prefer) Chromium. Nothing wrong with it, but different users have different needs; and nse may need / want Chrome, and not Chromium. That was all. Only nse can answer that. |
| 19:37.14 | nse | ok, guys, can you just find me out a simple command for me to perform the action and then everything suitably will work fine? |
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| 19:38.45 | centrx | rm <filename> |
| 19:39.01 | centrx | rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome-beta.list |
| 19:39.08 | nse | perfect! |
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| 19:40.07 | nse | problem resolved. thank you very much for all the help exposed. centrx, nmschulte, heurist |
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| 19:42.22 | undead_rattler | upgraded to kernel 3.2.0-4-686-pae, and lost my backlight controlls - restarting again to see if it's just E17 being silly, but it was working fine before :I |
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| 19:43.49 | jmcnaught | nse: if you'd rather switch back to the open source chromium, you can get flash with the pepperflashplugin-nonfree package in wheezy-backports |
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| 19:45.55 | nse | hey, jmcnaught, that would be something interesting for me. but not right now. i'll continue with the non-free until i find some reasonable time for getting operating |
| 19:46.50 | jmcnaught | nse: https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer has the info if you want to bookmark it for later. Or you could always use Iceweasel which is clearly superior ;) |
| 19:48.00 | nse | jmcnaught: ok, thank you very much. your preferences are logged! i'll take a look at iceweasel later :) |
| 19:48.20 | Zipf | hi, i'm looking for an advice, i'm a brand new linux user, i'm running debian wheezy, with gnome. A friend told me gnome is a resource hog, and told me to replace with XFCE4 |
| 19:48.32 | undead_rattler | you and your silly guis - use surf or links -g :) |
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| 19:49.02 | Zipf | is that right ? the hardware i'm running the debian is very weak, sempron processor, with 2gb ram on a 500 gb sata |
| 19:49.31 | centrx | Zipf, Yes, use XFCE, LXDE, or do not use a desktop environment at all |
| 19:49.45 | undead_rattler | yep, backlight works fine after a restart - weird. |
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| 19:50.03 | Zipf | not using a desktop isn't an option, not at the moment, since i'm still learning cmd and stuff |
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| 19:50.54 | centrx | Zipf, "desktop environment" is a term for a complete/bulkier interface, not the term for the whole GUI |
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| 19:50.59 | centrx | Zipf, But yes, XFCE is a good choice |
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| 19:51.11 | undead_rattler | sempron processor. weak? I'm running an intel u1400 - 1.2GHz |
| 19:51.48 | trickyhero | I threw debian on my old sempron machine and it's working great |
| 19:51.55 | undead_rattler | E17 and LXDE are my recommendations. E17 is a little more difficult to install, but you keep the 'ooh, shiny' appearance :) |
| 19:52.21 | centrx | ah E17 is only in testing/unstable |
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| 19:52.40 | Zipf | when i install a new "desktop environment", do i need uninstall the old one ? |
| 19:52.58 | centrx | no |
| 19:52.59 | undead_rattler | Zipf: nope! you can choose which one you want when you are at the login screen :) |
| 19:53.48 | Zipf | ok, great, i'll try |
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| 20:03.06 | nmschulte | nse: just an fyi: setting up chromium (with Chrome's Flash plugin; the pepperflashplugin-nonfree package) alongside Google Chrome is a total non-issue: you can have them side-by-side and compare/contrast. |
| 20:03.30 | scape_ | i have a session log in .cache/gdm that's gigantic-- is this terminal a session log? |
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| 20:24.24 | twobitsprite | I'm doing an upgrade from squeeze to wheezy but it keeps wanting to remove portmap... I'm following the upgrade instructions in the release notes and I don't think I skipped any steps |
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| 20:26.20 | sluggishx | i am new to debian gnu/linux and installed wheezy amd64 on my Toshiba Satellite L755 laptop which features an Intel Core i3, 4 gigs of RAM and Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09).This machine should be able to play 720p and 1080p videos but it chokes on 720p videos and to makes matters even worse its 2D performance is sluggish. How can i solve this problem? |
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| 20:30.34 | centrx | twobitsprite, Do you need portmap for some reason? |
| 20:30.56 | nullvibe | Anyone have any idea what release I'd have to go back to to get proper i586 support for a system having only 64MB of ram? |
| 20:31.57 | centrx | sluggishx, Do you have the xserver-xorg-video-intel package/driver installed? Can you look at your X log in /var/log to see which driver is being used? |
| 20:32.23 | centrx | nullvibe, Debian supports the i386 architecture, but 64MB might be too little RAM or cutting it close |
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| 20:32.58 | horsik_ | i'm trying to reduce debian to smallest size possible, any of these packages i have left are unnecessary? http://pastebin.com/rxC36Ceb |
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| 20:33.28 | themill | horsik_: that depends entirely on your definition of necessary |
| 20:33.48 | nullvibe | centrx: yeah, although the initrd on 7.5 is only 12MB. seems as if the x86 kernel build uses some instruction or other that causes the target systems to reboot before even trying to load it though |
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| 20:34.33 | horsik_ | themill: i will be running mysql apache php-fcgi and ssh |
| 20:34.44 | nullvibe | They're technically i686 (pentium) class, but I figured it'd be safer to go back to something that properly supported i586 out-of-the-box. especially given the small amount of ram |
| 20:34.50 | horsik_ | and samba |
| 20:35.04 | horsik_ | i'm literally 50mb short |
| 20:35.10 | themill | horsik_: well considering none of those packages are in that list, that's not a sufficient set... |
| 20:35.33 | nullvibe | also, fwiw, I'm using debian 7.5 on a few 64MB mips devices, so I *know* there's enough ram :) |
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| 20:36.08 | sluggishx | centrx, dpkg says: ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.19.0-6 amd64 X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver |
| 20:36.13 | horsik_ | themill: |
| 20:36.14 | horsik_ | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 20:36.17 | nullvibe | horsik_: if it's possible to use btrfs, you could use zlib compression |
| 20:36.17 | horsik_ | rootfs 473M 287M 186M 61% / |
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| 20:36.52 | horsik_ | apt reports this size for applications i want |
| 20:36.54 | horsik_ | After this operation, 174 MB of additional disk space will be used. |
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| 20:37.14 | horsik_ | so i'm 50mb short for apt cache files |
| 20:37.21 | centrx | sluggishx, Look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what video driver it is loading |
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| 20:38.18 | themill | horsik_: You possibly don't need things like cron or less or even wget. Or dmidecode. Or possibly even grub depending on the virtualisation you've got ther |
| 20:39.14 | horsik_ | i need all of those except wget |
| 20:39.17 | nullvibe | oh, and I normally blow away /usr/share/doc |
| 20:39.17 | horsik_ | but that's 2mb |
| 20:39.27 | nullvibe | ~100MB there, probably |
| 20:39.27 | horsik_ | i did |
| 20:39.35 | horsik_ | locales as well |
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| 20:39.46 | nullvibe | hopefully not the locale you're actually using |
| 20:39.55 | horsik_ | nope |
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| 20:41.21 | nullvibe | anyway, if you don't need X11, /usr/share/icons uses a LOT of space too |
| 20:41.24 | themill | horsik_: well if every suggestion we make is met with "but I need that" then I think you've answered your own question. |
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| 20:45.19 | sluggishx | centrx, i am not sure what video driver i am using so please have a look at http://pastebin.com/MQjg49AM |
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| 20:46.48 | formorer | urghs |
| 20:46.50 | formorer | sorry |
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| 20:48.04 | centrx | sluggishx, It does look like you are using the intel driver. I am using the same driver and have had no problems with playing video, but I am also using a newer/beta version of Debian which has a newer kernel, X, etc. |
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| 20:50.11 | centrx | sluggishx, So it is possible a kernel upgrade could help. There is a newer kernel available in wheezy-backports. |
| 20:51.13 | horsik_ | themill: i disabled apt cache completely and put archive directory into tmpfs |
| 20:51.15 | sluggishx | centrx, do you mean linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64? |
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| 20:51.31 | centrx | sluggishx, right |
| 20:51.41 | horsik_ | avail 224M install size 174 MB |
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| 20:52.13 | centrx | sluggishx, It's a safe upgrade that may or may not help with this issue. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ for instructions on how to use backports. |
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| 20:54.58 | sluggishx | centrx, i am in the process of installing linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64, will reboot and report back here in 10 min or so |
| 20:56.01 | sluggishx | centrx, btw will i have to install new X drivers from backports too? |
| 20:56.25 | centrx | sluggishx, There is no backport for that, so hopefully not necessary |
| 20:56.28 | centrx | sluggishx, How new is your machine? |
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| 20:57.46 | sluggishx | Toshiba Satellite L755 laptop from 2012 |
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| 20:58.43 | sluggishx | rebooting now |
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| 21:10.03 | useless-eater | Hi guys, troubles installing debian on a HP ML350 G6. Anyone got any advice how to fix? Missing all kinds of firmware. Hoping the installer with drivers included help? |
| 21:10.56 | heurist | useless-eater: https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 21:11.03 | mtn | useless-eater: it seems logical if you are missing firmware that the installer with firmware might help |
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| 21:12.18 | sluggishx | centrx, installing linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 did not change anything. the problem remains the same |
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| 21:16.27 | sluggishx | i am new to debian gnu/linux and installed wheezy amd64 on my Toshiba Satellite L755 laptop which features an Intel Core i3, 4 gigs of RAM and Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09).This machine should be able to play 720p and 1080p videos but it chokes on 720p videos and to makes matters even worse its 2D performance is sluggish. How can i solve this problem? |
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| 21:16.45 | heurist | sluggishx: not to be rude, but you are talking about a 2 year old entry-level laptop. |
| 21:17.28 | nmschulte | sluggishx: sounds like your video hardware is not properly configured (or not very well supported...), and you aren't getting video acceleration. |
| 21:17.43 | heurist | sluggishx: what do you mean "sluggish performance"? Does it perform much better with another OS? What video player are you using? |
| 21:18.22 | sluggishx | heurist, it performs much better on Windows 7 which came pre-loaded |
| 21:18.49 | sluggishx | vlc and smplayer are the progs i am using |
| 21:19.00 | ObrienDave | sluggishx, try here for Intel graphics https://01.org/linuxgraphics/ |
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| 21:19.26 | heurist | sluggishx: ok good, try a lighter-weight GUI and another video player maybe. |
| 21:20.29 | sluggishx | a ligther-weight gui? i have 4 gig of RAM! |
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| 21:21.59 | some-cowbell | sluggishx, is your nick representative of what you're observing? |
| 21:22.01 | nmschulte | sluggishx: do you know the device IDs of the video accel card? lspci should tell you (you may need the -nn option) |
| 21:22.44 | sluggishx | VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
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| 21:24.39 | nmschulte | sluggishx: use the -nn option to lspci, it will actually output the values of the IDs rather than the name (which is usually ambiguous). |
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| 21:25.47 | sluggishx | VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0116] (rev 09) |
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| 21:28.15 | nmschulte | "HD Graphics 3000 â 12 execution units and additional features,[b] up to 129.6 GFLOPS at 1350 MHz" |
| 21:28.55 | nmschulte | hell.. I have the latest and greatest Intel Haswell (top of the line mobile with "4th gen graphics"), and _I_ experience "sluggishx" at times. |
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| 21:29.08 | nmschulte | It's not actually X, it's GNOME. And other shit. |
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| 21:29.45 | nmschulte | But, I don't have the vid accel issues (though they could just be masked, as the CPU is leaps and bounds better). |
| 21:29.59 | frostschutz | it's also the intel driver, it still has bugs (at least, for haswell) |
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| 21:30.40 | nmschulte | frostschutz: for sure: X crashes when I try to enable hybrid graphics. |
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| 21:31.11 | sluggishx | nmschulte, sorry are you saying that it is my desktop enviroment the culprit? |
| 21:31.42 | nmschulte | I wasn't trying to bash on GNOME. I was swearing becuase it is super frustrating speccing out the laptop (and spending $$$) so that things work well with DFSG, and then they just never work well at all. |
| 21:32.04 | nmschulte | sluggishx: I'm saying that "sluggishx" probably isn't accurate, is all. |
| 21:32.13 | nmschulte | GNOME is definitely more intensive than XFCE/LXDE. |
| 21:32.38 | nmschulte | It's layers upon layers of software that *mostly* works. |
| 21:32.50 | nmschulte | (for your specific, in my case bleeding edge, configuration). |
| 21:33.18 | nmschulte | sluggishx: what I would do is focus on getting 720p playback working optimally. |
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| 21:34.09 | nmschulte | optimally, as in, how it does in Windows. |
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| 21:34.40 | nmschulte | I would eliminate the desktop environment, and instead start X via `startx` or similar (don't login via facechooser), and then start only VLC or Mplayer to play the video. |
| 21:34.47 | sluggishx | nmschulte, choppy picture when playing not only 720p movies but also dvdrips(the latter play OK on a Pentium IV) and sluggish 2D performance compared to yes that PIV! |
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| 21:35.11 | nmschulte | sluggishx: yeah, sounds like your graphics card is just not being used. |
| 21:36.13 | nmschulte | that could be due to many things: the configuration is wrong, keeping it from being used. the drivers have a bug; the software (X/VLC/Mplayer) using the driver have a bug. many possibilities. |
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| 21:36.31 | nmschulte | sluggishx: unfortunately, I don't have time to support you with that. :/ |
| 21:36.51 | rj11 | Is there some easy way to put a read-only screen on a virtual console without having to login? That can be controlled remotely. |
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| 21:38.14 | nmschulte | sluggishx: are you sure there is no discrete GPU on that laptop? |
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| 21:39.05 | vook | sluggishx: I've sometimes had better performance with Xine than VLC, even though it isn't really heavily maintained. |
| 21:39.57 | jaakkos | i almost always use mplayer -vo gl |
| 21:40.08 | jaakkos | otherwise, tearing... |
| 21:40.08 | Shadow_7 | I tend to favor mplayer, but I have really old stuff. -lavdopts fast:skiploopfilter=all:threads=2 |
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| 21:40.16 | nmschulte | I typically use VDPAU (but I also have NVIDIA cards). |
| 21:40.47 | sluggishx | btw i can even play 720p movies on my friend' s PIV |
| 21:40.59 | nmschulte | "-vo vdpau -vc ffmpegvdpau,h264vdpau,blahvdpau,*vdpau," was the word of the day for mplayer |
| 21:41.06 | sluggishx | and with no choppy picture! |
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| 21:41.24 | nmschulte | sluggishx: two things: you can decode video in software (on the CPU). |
| 21:41.47 | sluggishx | my laptop does not have nvidia graphics |
| 21:42.02 | nmschulte | you can also decode it on the GPU. most CPUs now-day for laptops have integrated GPU. most low-end laptops only have this GPU; mid-/high- have a separate more powerful GPU. |
| 21:42.26 | nmschulte | as well, "720p" can mean anything from 0 bits per second to a bazillion bits per second (well, not really). it just doens't mean anything. |
| 21:42.44 | nmschulte | You need to compare apples to apples. that's not always easy, hence the reason your predicament is a pain. |
| 21:42.44 | jaakkos | most ultrabooks have integrated gpus too :P wouldn't call them exactly low end :) |
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| 21:43.10 | nmschulte | jaakkos: I never said mid/high didn't have an integrated. ;) |
| 21:43.40 | sluggishx | nmschulte, cannot play 720p movies on another friend's old Pentrium III so 720p must mean something |
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| 21:43.58 | nmschulte | P3 is like millenia ago, unfortunatley. |
| 21:44.06 | nmschulte | was "HD" even a thing then? |
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| 21:45.19 | sluggishx | P3 and P4 are old hardware but i get better X performance from my friend's old Pentium 4 than from my own Intel Core i3 laptop! |
| 21:45.47 | nmschulte | sluggishx: apples/apples -- careful. |
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| 21:46.09 | nmschulte | if you go beyond say... 3 years? you're likely not comparing apples to apples. |
| 21:46.12 | Shadow_7 | I've had to re-encode videos to lower bitrates to play them on some systems. |
| 21:46.40 | nmschulte | The GPU capability around the P3 era doesn't compare to integrated solutions that exist today... |
| 21:46.54 | sluggishx | ok guys how can i solve my problem? i did search the web before coming here but could not find a solution let alone a newbie one! |
| 21:47.14 | nmschulte | sluggishx: I'm not sure of a newbie one. |
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| 21:47.33 | sluggishx | nmschulte, what do you mean? |
| 21:47.43 | nmschulte | Someone is going to have to hold your hand. Or, I might suggest you try a different distribution and see if "it just works". |
| 21:47.53 | Shadow_7 | sluggishx: if the limitation is CPU, you can encode to mpeg2 aka DVD codec and those should play |
| 21:47.57 | nmschulte | Try Ubuntu; if it works well there, that's a good start to tracking down the problem. |
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| 21:48.23 | nmschulte | Shadow_7: he wants to use accelerated decoding, though again, CPU could still be the bottleneck. |
| 21:48.52 | nmschulte | sluggishx: the concepts involved are definitely not trivial: there are many layers to the stack that makes these things work, and any one of them could have any number of problems causing your issue. |
| 21:48.59 | Shadow_7 | most things in the past 5 have h264 hardware decoding |
| 21:49.19 | Shadow_7 | although you may still need to encode to < 5Mbps bitrate |
| 21:49.20 | nmschulte | Shadow_7: he's got an Intel Core i3 w/ HD 3000 graphics. |
| 21:49.35 | nmschulte | Shadow_7: He's having trouble with even DVD rips. |
| 21:49.51 | nmschulte | Or she. |
| 21:49.59 | Shadow_7 | check top and make sure something isn't hogging all the resources |
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| 21:50.23 | Shadow_7 | stopping pulseaudio can gain you 100MB RAM and 10% more performance |
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| 21:50.33 | nmschulte | Anyway, good luck sluggishx. I've got to run. Shadow_7: you may want to explain `top` (or `htop`). |
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| 21:52.36 | sluggishx | Ubuntu is not *by default* a free as in freedom distro. The FSF does not (yet) recommend debian either but as i said it is free as in freedom, that is no blobs, no proprietary software/drivers, spyware by default |
| 21:53.25 | sluggishx | the FSF recommended distros are very amateur affairs, some of them like Trisquel are one man shows! |
| 21:54.09 | GLolol | htop is love |
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| 21:54.14 | sluggishx | Debian is NOT an amateur affair and certainly not a one man show |
| 21:54.26 | gcb39 | and FSF doesn't recommend it |
| 21:54.44 | gcb39 | don't the recommend gnewsense? |
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| 21:55.03 | gcb39 | i looked into it once but development is slow |
| 21:55.10 | dankan | what is the status of "systemd on debian"? |
| 21:55.31 | croddy | storm blew through a couple of days ago here, but it's booting again |
| 21:55.43 | centrx | dankan, systemd is available as an option in the current stable release. systemd is planned to be the default in the next release. |
| 21:56.15 | sluggishx | FSF does recommend Trisquel which is basically a one man show: http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html |
| 21:56.31 | VeggieMeat | so... anyone got a good guide to regaining access to an encrypted root partition when a reboot after an apt-get upgrade on wheezy results in the inability to unlock the encrypted root partition (and thus no boot)? no huge rush, but i really don't want to just nuke the drive at this moment |
| 21:56.58 | dankan | centrx: thanks :) |
| 21:57.01 | gcb39 | they recommend a few. i heard richard stallman uses gnewsense though |
| 21:57.18 | sluggishx | gnewsense is based on a squeeze which is an old stable distro which does not support my hardware |
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| 21:59.53 | nmschulte | VeggieMeat: "inability to unlock the encrypted root partition"? |
| 22:00.14 | nmschulte | what kind of encryption? LUKS + dm-crypt/cryptsetup? |
| 22:00.51 | nmschulte | If there's no prompt, just boot into rescue via debian install or live CD and "mount" it manually. not sure how you discover / fix the issue from there, but at least that gets you in. |
| 22:00.54 | trickyhero | it's pretty easy to stick with only gpl software on debian, but their are repos have non-gpl software on it that you have to add |
| 22:01.24 | nmschulte | sluggishx: I suggested Ubuntu as a way to diagnose your issues with Debian. I wasn't suggesting you jump ship to Ubuntu. |
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| 22:02.02 | nmschulte | If ubuntu works (which is derived heavily from debian) then bam: you have a great place to start looking for differences and discover your issue and make things work right on Debian. |
| 22:03.01 | centrx | sluggishx, There was also a good suggestion about looking at other things that may be running in the background, slowing down your computer, e.g. Gnome |
| 22:03.39 | sluggishx | nmschulte, you are suggesting using Ubuntu 14.04 live for test purposes? |
| 22:04.05 | nmschulte | That, or an older version of Ubuntu that better falls in line with the packages you're actually using in your version of Debian (Debian Stable, I assume). |
| 22:04.16 | nmschulte | (So there are less differences to wade through...) |
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| 22:04.50 | Shadow_7 | if ubuntu does what you want done, you're pretty sure your hardware is supported, and there's something wrong with your usage / configuration with any other distro |
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| 22:05.00 | sluggishx | centrx, i had the same problem with fluxbox! is fluxbox too heavey on resources on an Intel Core i3 with 4 gig of RAM? |
| 22:05.20 | centrx | sluggishx, no, I guess that rules out your desktop environment |
| 22:05.20 | zz1 | When creating a new user, if its password contains blank spaces, should I use quotes, like: useradd USER --password "New Password" ? |
| 22:05.38 | abrotman | zz1: be sensible .. that makes many things difficult .. |
| 22:05.41 | nmschulte | sluggishx: this all points to: your X is not configured properly, or you're X clients are not properly leveraging your GPU. |
| 22:05.47 | binaryhermit | heck, I've run Fluxbox on a laptop from ~2000 |
| 22:05.48 | centrx | zz1, on the command-line yes, in the interactive mode no |
| 22:06.10 | zz1 | centrx thank you |
| 22:06.14 | abrotman | (though, not nearly as much of a pain as a '!' in the password) |
| 22:06.34 | zz1 | abrotman the blank space makes things difficult? |
| 22:06.38 | heurist | zz1: you really want your passwords in plain text in the history? |
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| 22:06.48 | abrotman | zz1: They could, depending on how the account would be used |
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| 22:07.16 | abrotman | heurist: perhaps it's a mass creation? |
| 22:07.16 | nmschulte | abrotman: I've never had an issue with a '!' in my password. detes? |
| 22:07.30 | abrotman | nmschulte: try using it in a command line .. |
| 22:07.43 | heurist | abrotman: true, just making sure they are aware. |
| 22:07.44 | Shadow_7 | sluggishx: perhaps it's being over thought. Is the user in the video group? |
| 22:07.46 | zz1 | Mhh, I am a beginner, so maybe if you want I can explain the situation and you can help me figure the best way to behave |
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| 22:08.06 | nmschulte | abrotman: I see; never on the CLI here, fortunately. I bet that can get hairy. do single quotes not help? |
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| 22:08.13 | sluggishx | nmschulte, does a newbie have to configure X by hand? is that easy? |
| 22:08.17 | halma | hello all |
| 22:08.28 | nmschulte | sluggishx: you shouldn't have to. it can be very daunting. |
| 22:08.38 | nmschulte | sluggishx: you might have to. it can be extremely easy. |
| 22:08.43 | halma | can someone help me with make oldconfig ? |
| 22:08.55 | abrotman | nmschulte: we have a number of apps where the user/pass are passed at the CLI (like ldapsearch), and it seems thta when it contains a !, it won't stay in your history for reasons I've never bothered to track down |
| 22:08.57 | heurist | sluggishx: what is the output of the groups command? |
| 22:08.59 | zz1 | It is a server, new image, I logged in (SSH) as root and I am creating a new user so that I can disable root login upon SSH and use the new user |
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| 22:09.29 | centrx | halma, Sure, just ask your question. ##linux might be better for questions about kernel compilation |
| 22:09.31 | nmschulte | heurist: Shadow_7: I believe sluggishx said yes to the user in video group question up above. |
| 22:09.33 | sluggishx | cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev |
| 22:09.45 | heurist | ah missed that |
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| 22:10.28 | halma | i am using an config from kernel 3.8.18 for the new kernel 3.15.5 but it dont takes all values as in the oldconfig |
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| 22:11.06 | sluggishx | shall i give jessie a go? i know it is still in a sort of pre-beta state but is it ready for newbies like me? |
| 22:11.06 | abrotman | that's sort of normal? |
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| 22:11.31 | halma | so i dont know why it doesnt take over all the values from the old kernel config to the new one |
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| 22:11.47 | centrx | halma, Maybe some of the values changed names or types so they need to be reconfigured |
| 22:11.51 | VeggieMeat | nmschulte: LUKS + cryptsetup - it takes a while after entering in the passphrase, then i get "check that the kernel supports aes-xts-plain64 cipher" "failed to read from key storage" - so far what i had found online said that it should drop to a shell after a few attempts, but unless that value is higher than 30, it doesn't |
| 22:11.56 | abrotman | halma: newer kenrels have changed options .. not rocket science |
| 22:12.04 | zz1 | So should I create the new user password through cli? |
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| 22:12.15 | halma | in my old config allmost all XEN values are set to "y" but make oldconfig just take one value for XEN into the new kernel config |
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| 22:12.18 | abrotman | zz1: if it's a one time thing, definitely |
| 22:12.21 | heurist | zz1: passwd <username> |
| 22:12.41 | shay_shay | What are some good ways of determining the point when a computer freezes during boot with sysv? I tried bootchart and it didn't record anything |
| 22:12.45 | centrx | sluggishx, jessie works fine generally but you may run into problems you won't know how to easily work-around or fix. |
| 22:12.55 | zz1 | heurist better than useradd USER --password "Password"? |
| 22:13.07 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:13.17 | centrx | shay_shay, Then it must be freezing when bootchart loads or before :) |
| 22:13.23 | sluggishx | centrx, so jessie is not ready for newbies like me then |
| 22:13.24 | nmschulte | VeggieMeat: I had similar issues, and I would get a shell, depending on what exactly went wrong. I recall 60 seconds being a number at one point... maybe give it more time? Otherwise, I would go with a rescue shell from debian-install if possible. |
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| 22:13.39 | shay_shay | centrx: what would that suggest? |
| 22:13.48 | shay_shay | Its in the kernel? |
| 22:13.49 | zz1 | abrotman thank you |
| 22:14.00 | centrx | shay_shay, I don't know, it was a half-joke |
| 22:14.16 | shay_shay | Ah |
| 22:14.23 | heurist | zz1: if you type the password at the comman line it is stored in the history pressing "up" will show it to any other people. |
| 22:14.29 | centrx | shay_shay, But it could be true, maybe it is freezing before init is started? |
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| 22:14.46 | TJ- | VeggieMeat: Can you boot to an older kernel successfully, or is it affecting all installed kernels? |
| 22:14.56 | abrotman | heurist: though, that can be easily remedied |
| 22:14.57 | shay_shay | Centrx: That's what I was thinking |
| 22:15.12 | zz1 | heurist yes, I am aware of that, and I was reminded |
| 22:15.52 | zz1 | heurist that's why you suggest "passwd Username" over "useradd User --password Passowrd"? |
| 22:15.58 | centrx | sluggishx, It depends on how much downtime you tolerate, and how much you want to learn about Debian. If this is your only/main computer, stick with stable. |
| 22:16.09 | jmcnaught | sluggishx: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_Graphics The ArchWiki as some example xorg.conf snippets that you could try using, I would consider trying the "choose acceleration method" perhaps |
| 22:16.44 | zz1 | abrotman could you please mention in which cases a blank space in the password can be a problem? |
| 22:16.48 | VeggieMeat | TJ-: 3.2.0-4 is the only kernel listed in grub |
| 22:16.50 | heurist | zz1: the passwd command does not take the password on the command line, it askes you to enter it at a "secure" prompt so it is not stored in the history |
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| 22:17.20 | shay_shay | centrx: it seems it inky happens when restarting, but not when shutting down completely and then rebooting |
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| 22:17.31 | shay_shay | S/Inky/only/ |
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| 22:17.36 | zz1 | heurist So no need to clear the shell history. That makes sense, thank you, |
| 22:17.53 | centrx | hmm, slinky kernel |
| 22:17.57 | heurist | zz1: spaces in passwords are probably ok these days, some old software might not accept them thouhg. |
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| 22:18.55 | halma | if you do passwd <USER> the history only will print passwd <USER> without the password |
| 22:18.58 | zz1 | I know GPG can causes problem for spaces in password, but I am asking about user password, and I do not know what problems that may cause |
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| 22:19.03 | sluggishx | jmcnaught, thanks. will read it now |
| 22:19.24 | qsuscs | my login password and the passphrase for my gpg private key contain spaces, never had problems |
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| 22:20.00 | heurist | zz1: I have not seen a space problem in a long time. |
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| 22:21.06 | heurist | zz1: having passwords longer than 8 characters is also a risk though, as some old stuff does not understand that either, so catering for LCD is contra-indicated. |
| 22:22.27 | zz1 | Thank you heurist |
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| 22:25.40 | sluggishx | jmcnaught, correct me if am wrong but most of the acceleration method apply to arch which is a rolling distro and has a way newer X stack than wheezy |
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| 22:27.08 | sluggishx | does wheezy support the UXA accelaration method out of the box ? |
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| 22:32.01 | zz1 | mhhh |
| 22:32.26 | zz1 | A new server. I ssh'd into it a few minutes ago for the first time |
| 22:32.37 | zz1 | just created a new user |
| 22:32.55 | zz1 | I am connecting in a new ssh session with the new user to check if it works ok |
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| 22:33.09 | zz1 | and⦠|
| 22:33.10 | zz1 | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 22:33.11 | zz1 | @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ |
| 22:33.11 | zz1 | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
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| 22:33.43 | gecelerde | . |
| 22:33.50 | jaakkos | zz1: did you use the same *local* user that invoked the SSH client? |
| 22:34.02 | zz1 | yes |
| 22:34.17 | Guest83680 | a |
| 22:34.48 | gecelerde | ., |
| 22:34.53 | heurist | zz1: that just means that your machine has connected to that IP or hostname before and it was a different box, which makes sense since this is a new box. |
| 22:35.17 | zz1 | Oh, could it be because I updated and upgraded (form debian 7.1 to 7.6)? |
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| 22:35.42 | Brigo | zzi i doubt it |
| 22:35.46 | VeggieMeat | so... i guess i was wrong about my issue... decided to unplug all of my usb storage devices and try... still says it's trying to unlock the same device (sda5_crypt), but works... reboot with USB drive plugged in, and no dice... /weird |
| 22:35.54 | heurist | zz1: remove the fingerprint from ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 22:35.58 | gecelerde | merhaba |
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| 22:36.04 | zz1 | heurist yes, but no: the time before was like 15 minutes ago, and that session is still open |
| 22:36.26 | zz1 | heurist I will, if I am sure I don't have to be afraid this is a MITM |
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| 22:37.29 | heurist | zz1: you do have to be afraid of exactly that. That message is to warn you that you are connecting to a box different box, if you can not explain why then you may have a problem. |
| 22:37.51 | zz1 | How can I check a RSA fingerprint of a machine I am logged into? |
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| 22:39.21 | heurist | zz1: ssh-keygen -lf /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key |
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| 22:39.52 | jaakkos | but be aware that there may be dsa and, especially, ecdsa keys as well |
| 22:40.19 | zz1 | heurist thank you |
| 22:40.43 | heurist | zz1: does it match? |
| 22:40.47 | zz1 | So yes, updating and upgrading from debian 7.1 to 7.6 changed the RSA key |
| 22:41.07 | binaryhermit | probably due to heartbleed |
| 22:41.09 | zz1 | and the new one matches the present one |
| 22:41.28 | zz1 | binaryhermit that's why I supposed it was possible |
| 22:41.34 | zz1 | yes |
| 22:41.51 | heurist | heartbleed, yeah that will do it. forgotten about that it was so long ago. |
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| 22:42.03 | zz1 | thank you all for assisting me in this thrilling moments :-) |
| 22:42.35 | AcidRain | does anyone know how to setup a secondary mail server that forwards the mail to the primary, and is NOT an open relay |
| 22:42.37 | heurist | zz1: thinking you are under attack really gets the blood pumping. |
| 22:42.42 | iwilcox | SSH isn't susceptible to Heartbleed AIUI |
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| 22:42.56 | duggles | i thought heartbleed didn't affect ssh since ssh didn;t use DTLS, maybe it was a precautuon but i don;t remember my keys changing |
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| 22:43.15 | duggles | err, s/;/'/ |
| 22:43.25 | zz1 | heurist well, giving that it is a new server I wasn't so afraid, but a little concerned about the next steps to take⦠that yes :) |
| 22:43.27 | jmcnaught | sluggishx: sorry i was doing some dishes. A lot of the the stuff on ArchWiki applies to Debian (except for package installation stuff, and sometimes paths are different). You could try the stuff suggested there, and if you get an error message or it just doesn't work then remove those changes to your xorg.conf(.d) |
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| 22:43.42 | heurist | I think I have a recollection of my keys changing after heartbleed, but I am not sure. |
| 22:43.46 | snorlax | I wonder... has anyone here seen any strange issues with cups 1.7.2, specifically errors including failed to open file in /var/spool/cups/ ? |
| 22:44.06 | jaakkos | my guess would've been, the new debian generated ecdsa key that was used now, that might have generated the warning. |
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| 22:44.19 | jaakkos | since ecdsa host keys are quite new. |
| 22:44.35 | sluggishx | jmcnaught, do i have to create, fill in and edit an xorg.conf by hand? is that newbie friendly? |
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| 22:45.50 | snorlax | sluggishx: it's kinda tough to do but it's easier if you have a xorg.conf file that already works which you can use as a template of sorts. |
| 22:46.25 | jmcnaught | sluggishx: it's just editing text files. i don't know what "newbie friendly" means to you. Instead of creating /etc/X11/xorg.conf it's a little more manageable to create files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ instead. These ".d" directories are for snippets that get assembled together |
| 22:46.41 | sluggishx | snorlax, i do not have an xorg.conf. No xorg.conf was created at installation time |
| 22:46.45 | AcidRain | does anyone know how to setup a secondary mail server that forwards the mail to the primary, and is NOT an open relay |
| 22:47.08 | vook | sluggishx: "X -configure" will attempt to create a working xorg.conf for you, which can then be edited. |
| 22:47.09 | iwilcox | zz1: I missed the start; was it definitely an RSA key before the upgrade? |
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| 22:47.16 | jaakkos | AcidRain: configure eg. exim4 as a smarthost? |
| 22:47.17 | snorlax | AcidRain: setup users on two servers and have them email each other? |
| 22:47.27 | zz1 | iwilcox yes it was |
| 22:47.29 | abrotman | snorlax: infinite loop? |
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| 22:47.36 | jmcnaught | sluggishx: modern Xorg doesn't require an xorg.conf file, it does its best to autoconfigure. People use xorg.conf (or snippet files in xorg.conf.d) to override the autoconfigured settings |
| 22:47.44 | snorlax | abrotman: I always make more problems for myself... |
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| 22:48.06 | iwilcox | zz1: Just wondering because something that has caught me out before is that postinstall will regenerate any key configured but not present, and if RSA is higher priority than DSA, that might prompt warnings from clients |
| 22:48.12 | AcidRain | i am using postfix and i already have a working setup, its just the secodary server is an open relay |
| 22:48.27 | abrotman | that seems like a poor idea :) |
| 22:48.38 | AcidRain | and i need to close that so it ONLY fowardes for my domains |
| 22:48.39 | snorlax | So, did anyone see my message about cups? I also asked the cups people in #cups, but you all are more active in IRC at the moment. |
| 22:49.26 | jmcnaught | sluggishx: so you see at this link it has has an example /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf.. you could try creating a file like that and try "uxa" then "sna" and see which works better. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_Graphics#Choose_acceleration_method |
| 22:49.37 | abrotman | AcidRain: I'd probably ask #postfix, but it seems to me, you'd give it a lower weight, only accept for your domains, and forward to your actual system |
| 22:49.57 | sluggishx | i have no dir named /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 22:49.59 | zz1 | iwilcox It is a new server, image created less than an hour ago. I ssh'd into it (root) right after install, updated and upgraded from 7.1 to 7.6, new openssl deployed. Created new user and tried to ssh with that one while root still logged in. That's when I got the warning |
| 22:50.17 | abrotman | sluggishx: create it |
| 22:50.22 | jmcnaught | sluggishx: if neither works or it just gets worse, simply remove that 20-intel.conf file |
| 22:50.43 | Guest83680 | a |
| 22:50.47 | AcidRain | thanks abrotman i will ask them |
| 22:51.04 | zz1 | iwilcox the new key was indeed different from the saved one, but I could check the root session and see that the new key matched the offending one |
| 22:51.29 | sluggishx | shall i create a dir called /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ without creating an xorg.conf file? |
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| 22:51.33 | abrotman | AcidRain: by forward, I mean smarthost |
| 22:51.40 | abrotman | oh wait .. that won't work .. |
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| 22:52.44 | sluggishx | abrotman, the that won' t work bit was meant for me? |
| 22:52.45 | iwilcox | zz1: Curious. |
| 22:53.22 | zz1 | iwilcox indeed, but checked |
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| 22:56.28 | sluggishx | created the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf and chose UXA. Do i need to create an xorg.conf file as well? |
| 22:56.30 | iwilcox | zz1: Be sure to reboot again before concluding the key is stable ;) |
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| 22:57.20 | jmcnaught | sluggishx: i'm pretty sure you don't. I would try without one first. You will need to restart X for the change to take effect though |
| 22:57.51 | abrotman | sluggishx: no, just create it .. |
| 22:57.59 | abrotman | sorry, delayed |
| 22:58.04 | crippledmonk | I just installed sid via net install. If I choose to go to another Terminal (Alt+F2 etc). I get this.[ 20.828037] mei_me 0000:00:03.0: reset: connect/disconnect timeout. |
| 22:58.14 | heurist | sluggishx: xorg.conf will prevent xorg.conf.d/* from loading. |
| 22:59.19 | abrotman | crippledmonk: more than one? |
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| 22:59.42 | sluggishx | jmcnaught, will reboot and then report back. thanks |
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| 23:00.20 | masclic | opinion about kubuntu? is good for worktation for dev nodejs workflow |
| 23:00.30 | crippledmonk | abrotman: It was but since reboot it seems I get it 1 time. at least after im logged in to that tty |
| 23:01.15 | jmcnaught | masclic: You should probably ask in #kubuntu or ##linux. Here we'll just tell you Debian is the best option :) |
| 23:02.02 | heurist | jmcnaught: not true, we also sometimes tell them *ubuntu is a bad idea. |
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| 23:02.31 | masclic | mm but if i use git |
| 23:02.52 | masclic | if is not perfectly stable secure is most than windows 7 |
| 23:03.07 | masclic | i go test debian kde |
| 23:03.22 | masclic | i like the dolphin kde file admin |
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| 23:04.17 | heurist | masclic: so why not use debian kde? |
| 23:04.18 | masclic | also the ppa is easy way for install backets, sigil, sublime, etc... |
| 23:04.34 | masclic | yes, i go to test debian kde for see.. |
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| 23:04.54 | gecelerde | merhaba |
| 23:04.58 | zz1 | argh! |
| 23:04.59 | crippledmonk | abrotman: seems to be ok...hmm. Nothing to worry about I suppose. been on crunchbang but decided to give jessie/sid a try. so far so good. |
| 23:05.03 | masclic | the ubuntu solutions maybe i see most easy for transition of win7 to linux |
| 23:05.16 | zz1 | anoyne can help me? sudo su |
| 23:05.17 | zz1 | Cannot execute /usr/bin/bash: No such file or directory |
| 23:05.30 | abrotman | zz1: someone's shell is wrong |
| 23:05.32 | masclic | i need virtual desktops and make workstation for meteor, meanjs, angular |
| 23:05.33 | heurist | masclic: some of that may be complicated on debian though, sigil will need to be gotten manually, but works fine. |
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| 23:05.48 | masclic | love sigil |
| 23:05.49 | masclic | :) |
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| 23:05.59 | zz1 | abrotman yes |
| 23:06.01 | abrotman | zz1: sudo su -s /bin/bash |
| 23:06.07 | abrotman | thinks that is right |
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| 23:06.14 | masclic | krusader awasome |
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| 23:06.56 | zz1 | abrotman still the same answer |
| 23:07.22 | snorlax | uh, anyone know what version of cups debian is up to? |
| 23:07.28 | heurist | zz1: can you log in a root directly? |
| 23:07.29 | zz1 | and⦠ls -l /bin/sh -> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Mar 1 2012 /bin/sh -> dash |
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| 23:07.34 | iwilcox | zz1: Why would you do both sudo and su? |
| 23:07.38 | zz1 | heurist yes |
| 23:07.51 | Aeiri | su -c /bin/sh if you know root's pw |
| 23:07.59 | heurist | zz1: than do that and change the root shell to /bin/bash |
| 23:08.08 | Aeiri | ^ what he said |
| 23:08.27 | zz1 | heurist with usermod or what else? |
| 23:08.33 | Aeiri | chsh |
| 23:08.39 | heurist | zz1: usermod will do fine |
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| 23:09.01 | jmcnaught | snorlax: "apt-cache policy cups" can tell you, or use https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages (which has a search provider included in iceweasel :) |
| 23:10.27 | zz1 | usermod root -s /bin/bash |
| 23:10.28 | zz1 | root@debian:~# ls -l /bin/sh |
| 23:10.28 | zz1 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Mar 1 2012 /bin/sh -> dash |
| 23:10.38 | abrotman | zz1: man sudo .. figure out which option is the shell .. |
| 23:10.48 | zz1 | scratches his head |
| 23:10.56 | abrotman | don't make me read it for you! |
| 23:11.19 | abrotman | yeah, -s |
| 23:11.21 | iwilcox | abrotman: man sudo is evil enough to deserve an XKCD; I gently weep every time I have to read it :) |
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| 23:11.29 | zz1 | abrotman usermod wasn't good enough? |
| 23:11.47 | abrotman | iwilcox: that's why I always login as root and my password is Passw0rd |
| 23:11.48 | iwilcox | zz1: chsh doesn't and shouldn't change the /bin/sh symlink, if that's what's confusing you |
| 23:12.00 | snorlax | jmcnaught: ok thanks. My debian box is using 1.5.3 but i'm troubleshooting cups 1.7. somethign on linux mint |
| 23:12.17 | zz1 | abrotman :D |
| 23:12.27 | zz1 | iwilcox oh, ok! |
| 23:12.31 | jmcnaught | snorlax: maybe the mint channel could help you with that then :) |
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| 23:12.42 | zz1 | iwilcox but I did go by usermod |
| 23:12.54 | heurist | zz1: that niether |
| 23:12.55 | zz1 | is it the same? |
| 23:12.58 | zz1 | ok |
| 23:13.01 | iwilcox | zz1: usermod is a bit Redhat; prefer chsh, which updates /etc/passwd |
| 23:13.05 | heurist | try you sudo command again now |
| 23:13.44 | heurist | iwilcox: usermod also updated /etc/password, how else can it change your shell? |
| 23:14.14 | zz1 | sudo su now works :-) heurist thank you guys. I think that logging into #debian was the best idea of my day |
| 23:14.46 | zz1 | I wish I did earlier, before re-imaging twice my server |
| 23:14.50 | heurist | bows |
| 23:14.52 | zz1 | :-) |
| 23:14.53 | iwilcox | heurist: Bad comma placement; I meant "whatever you use, the effect isn't on the /bin/sh symlink" |
| 23:15.20 | Aeiri | chsh/usermod doesnt change /bin/sh's symlink nor should it |
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| 23:15.50 | zz1 | Aeiri that's precisely what iwilcox said |
| 23:15.50 | iwilcox | zz1: Still confused why you'd want sudo su at all, but nm |
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| 23:16.06 | zz1 | to check if I was sudoer |
| 23:16.07 | heurist | zz1: I would not, I would sudo -i |
| 23:16.08 | zz1 | why not? |
| 23:17.01 | heurist | zz1: they both do the same thing, one runs the command as root, the other runs the command as root |
| 23:17.23 | snorlax | jmcnaught: yea I cahtted with them. it's more of a ... cups issue I think. |
| 23:17.41 | snorlax | basically cups decided it wants to write files to /var/spool/cups, instead of /var/spool/cups/tmp :s |
| 23:18.26 | jmcnaught | snorlax: the Mint folks would have a better idea why their cups package is doing that than we would here |
| 23:18.52 | zz1 | heurist yes. I just edited /etc/sudoers.d and I had to check if my regular user was now a sudoer, so I needed a sudo command to test it, and sudo su was the first that popped into my mind |
| 23:19.12 | snorlax | jmcnaught: I should probably bug the ubuntu channel actually. cause the repo it got isntalled from was ubuntu. |
| 23:19.15 | snorlax | haha |
| 23:19.28 | snorlax | thanks for the policy thing though, I didn't know about that. |
| 23:19.59 | heurist | Does anyone remember why we used sudo su? I can not recall why we ever did that but it was what I learned and used for decades. |
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| 23:20.42 | drawks | anyone know why on earth the |
| 23:20.47 | iwilcox | Not a habit I ever saw, but it wouldn't surprise me if su arranged a predictable environment subtly different from sudo's |
| 23:20.58 | DHowett | as well as prompting you for *your* password instead of root's |
| 23:21.03 | drawks | "apt-install" command available in debian installer executes the inst5allations in target before apt is configured? |
| 23:21.03 | DHowett | which works well when root has no password. |
| 23:21.06 | abrotman | heurist: people not understanding what they're doing is quite likely the correct answer |
| 23:21.24 | zz1 | abrotman is that about me? :) |
| 23:21.40 | abrotman | zz1: a general statement, not specific to you .. don't feel attacked :) |
| 23:22.12 | heurist | But why "sudo su"? It must have been in some doctumentation somewhere, we all used it long ago. |
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| 23:22.25 | heurist | Maybe the early sudo man pages? |
| 23:22.25 | iwilcox | zz1: I still have plenty of cmdline habits like that after ~15yrs of it. Old habits die hard. |
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| 23:23.16 | zz1 | I wouldn't feel attacked, just pointed out, and I would like to understand why :-). Anyway, the fact that I don't quite understand what i do would be rather exact |
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| 23:23.34 | iwilcox | can't shake preferring netstat and ifconfig for extracting info, even if ss is supposed to be better and ip is definitely the thing for alterations |
| 23:23.38 | zz1 | Wow, I didn't think that "sudo su" would spark such a big curiosity! |
| 23:23.52 | snorlax | iwilcox: is it like cat somelogfile | grep blah blah when you can just grep blah blah somelogfile? |
| 23:24.00 | snorlax | cause I do that all the time. |
| 23:24.59 | iwilcox | snorlax: Commandlines evolve as you craft them; cat makes sense to me as a starting point :) |
| 23:25.00 | zz1 | First off, this isn't a hold habit. Ten yers ago I was still a Windows user, and then I switched to mac. It wasn't until much later that I got to knew the shell |
| 23:25.01 | heurist | cat | grep ... is quite different to grep ... file |
| 23:25.08 | zz1 | so no, not that one |
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| 23:25.22 | zz1 | I probably read it on a blog |
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| 23:25.54 | heurist | zz1: I blame the blogs too. |
| 23:25.57 | zz1 | but I would like to know what's the problem of running sudo su. Shouldn't man run it? |
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| 23:26.17 | Aeiri | sometimes i use cat just because i switch from "cat file | grep blah" to "cat file | head -n 20" or something and keep switching around what command i want to run on that specific file |
| 23:26.20 | zz1 | heurist Always blame the (bad) blogs and their (naïve) readers |
| 23:26.21 | iwilcox | zz1: I'd just be wary that it introduced complication. |
| 23:26.27 | Aeiri | though when scripting, always use grep blah file |
| 23:26.28 | heurist | zz1: sudo makes you root, why would root run su? |
| 23:26.45 | vook | to give a root shell |
| 23:26.53 | heurist | zz1: sudo su is one more program running. |
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| 23:26.58 | zz1 | heurist I am the newbie here, why would you ask me? |
| 23:27.00 | vook | zz1: it just sort of defeats the primary purpose of sudo |
| 23:27.03 | iwilcox | vook: That's what -i is for |
| 23:27.53 | zz1 | iwilcox tested sudo -i |
| 23:28.11 | zz1 | it does indeed serves exactly the same purpose of sudo -i |
| 23:28.24 | heurist | come to think of it, sudo su makes sense as an evolutionary command, used to run su, now we have sudo, do not know about -i, sudo su will do the trick of getting a shell |
| 23:28.30 | zz1 | thanks for letting me learn this one too |
| 23:28.48 | vook | as will 'sudo bash' |
| 23:28.57 | heurist | had to read the sudo manual (/shudder) to learn -i. |
| 23:29.31 | iwilcox | heurist: The options part is manageable; it's the BNF or whatever it is(n't) that kills me |
| 23:29.40 | zz1 | heurist I instantly removed sudo su from my documentation |
| 23:29.56 | drawks | slightly different effect. -i runs the shell as a login shell, so it processes .profile and/or .login |
| 23:30.00 | drawks | sudo bash doesn't |
| 23:30.12 | heurist | used to use sudo su - |
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| 23:30.43 | zz1 | Oh, so, since we're discussing such topics |
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| 23:31.10 | zz1 | is there really a difference between running apt-get and aptitude? |
| 23:31.26 | vook | super cow powers |
| 23:31.26 | Mousey | yes |
| 23:31.29 | dsf | hi, i try to upgrade from 7.0 to testing with this instructions: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/90389/how-to-upgrade-debian-stable-wheezy-to-testing-jessie but i already tryed with screen avoid ssh lost connection problems but still it can't restart sshd and it asks me 2times to do it manually but then it fails with error(1) |
| 23:31.34 | Mousey | one has 'em, one doesn't |
| 23:31.35 | iwilcox | zz1: Yeah, aptitude will eat all your memory and kill kittens. |
| 23:31.36 | drawks | yeah, but if you can't tell the difference it probably doesn't matter ;) |
| 23:31.45 | Mousey | if you can tell the difference, you use apt-get |
| 23:31.52 | drawks | they use different algos for resolving depends |
| 23:32.06 | drawks | in the end they both effectively do the same thing |
| 23:32.08 | Brigo | dsf, for testing issues ask in #debian-next in OFTC server |
| 23:32.30 | dsf | okay so its really an testing issue or general? |
| 23:32.35 | vook | but note, apt-mark will not affect aptitude, only apt-get |
| 23:32.40 | iwilcox | dsf: ISTR a bug fixed in 7.6 solves that. |
| 23:32.46 | Brigo | dsf, the first you will hear is 'do not use jessie' |
| 23:32.54 | dsf | okay thank you |
| 23:33.00 | iwilcox | dsf: openssh in pre 7.6 has an issue where it's picky about openssl versions |
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| 23:33.04 | heurist | drawks: I do not believe that is true anymore. |
| 23:33.30 | phoenix_ | Hello, I'm trying to find out where the Inkscape 0.48.5 package is. I'm on sid. Googling is proving futile |
| 23:33.33 | dsf | another thing: can you build whole system from source new with apt-build or something? |
| 23:33.41 | heurist | zz1: aptitude makes a nice frontend |
| 23:33.45 | dsf | it should be enough todo kernel but |
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| 23:34.14 | zz1 | heurist you mean⦠run on CLI? |
| 23:34.24 | jmcnaught | zz1: aptitude has some pretty useful search capabilities that apt-get doesn't have (or apt-cache I guess). Also when upgrading Debian releases (squeeze->wheezy for example) the release notes will usually say to use apt-get. |
| 23:34.43 | heurist | zz1: you can also get some different information from things like aptitude versions vs. apt-cache policy and such. |
| 23:34.48 | Brigo | dsf, you can find inkscape and then you want to compile the whole system? |
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| 23:35.33 | zz1 | I recall I read somewhere that it was better to use aptitude than apt-get⦠I think it was an ars article linking to a stackoverflow discussion |
| 23:35.38 | Brigo | dsf, oh, i am sorry, my fault. |
| 23:35.41 | heurist | zz1: yes, aptitude from cli gives a TUI |
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| 23:35.58 | zz1 | but you all seem to tell me that apt is better |
| 23:36.13 | iwilcox | zz1: I think there was a time when aptitude's dependency resolution was significantly better than apt-get, so many dated articles might say prefer aptitude. |
| 23:36.24 | heurist | zz1: there was a time when aptitude did nice uninstalling of automatically installed packages and apt-get would mess those records up, but that is not true anymore. |
| 23:36.31 | dsf | Brigo: why sorry? no need to |
| 23:36.43 | zz1 | iwilcox heurist Thanks a lot |
| 23:36.56 | Brigo | dsf, my question, a mistake :) |
| 23:37.10 | heurist | iwilcox: Debians docs are not the best these years. There is a lot of out of date stuff. |
| 23:37.16 | drawks | i don't really use aptitude, but iirc it used to allow for some different resolution actions such as allowing to specify a version and target for a desired package and having the dependecies resolved without having a preference for the target of the requested packages |
| 23:37.18 | iwilcox | zz1: These days there's not much in it interactively, although personally I find aptitude's startup time unacceptably large for anything but its search capabilities |
| 23:37.23 | dsf | Brigo: youre welcome |
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| 23:37.40 | drawks | i.e. let you pull in a minimal set of packages from backports in order to get a single backport working |
| 23:38.17 | heurist | zz1: iwilcox: agreed aptitude startup it horrible. |
| 23:38.17 | drawks | whereas when target is specified in apt-get that target will be given a preference in resolution order |
| 23:38.20 | zz1 | drawks thanks |
| 23:38.47 | Brigo | dsf, why do you want to compile the whole system? |
| 23:38.52 | iwilcox | heurist: Yeah, some of those docs are getting stale, but I meant more things like cyberciti.biz which get written shoddily and never updated |
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| 23:39.38 | Brigo | dsf, afaik you should can do it, but i am not sure. |
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| 23:41.15 | dsf | just because of optimizing but it would be enough todo kernel |
| 23:41.20 | dsf | no need for userspace stuff |
| 23:42.19 | dsf | its an image from parallels cloud server |
| 23:42.31 | dsf | im not sure if it use specific kernel modules |
| 23:42.39 | dsf | because of ps aux reports me: |
| 23:42.59 | dsf | upstart-udev-bridge --daemon |
| 23:43.04 | dsf | and other |
| 23:43.19 | Brigo | upstatrs looks like ubuntu |
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| 23:44.10 | dsf | but its wheezy |
| 23:44.22 | dsf | atleast my interface told me that |
| 23:44.42 | somiaj | ,v upstart |
| 23:44.44 | judd | Package: upstart on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.6-1; wheezy: 1.6.1-1; jessie: 1.11-3; sid: 1.11-3 |
| 23:44.58 | somiaj | upstart is just another init system that is usable on debian, it isn't default but it can be installed |
| 23:45.22 | Brigo | dsf, if you like to compile kernel easily, the 'debian way' is install kernel-package, and use it, it is easu |
| 23:45.27 | Brigo | easy* |
| 23:45.39 | dsf | okay |
| 23:45.39 | tensorpudding | I heard that jessie was switching to Xfce 4 over GNOME 3 as the default, is that still true? |
| 23:45.42 | dsf | thanks for that |
| 23:45.58 | Brigo | tensorpudding, yes |
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| 23:46.01 | dsf | where does compiler flags come? /etc/make.conf still? |
| 23:46.08 | iwilcox | Brigo: Is that still the way? Did a few builds lately and places seemed to recommend make deb-pkg or something straight from the kernel source. |
| 23:46.12 | Brigo | somiaj, that is new for me :) |
| 23:46.29 | iwilcox | Brigo: (which worked great for me) |
| 23:46.31 | tensorpudding | I really don't understand why but I guess it doesn't affect me, just new users. |
| 23:46.51 | Brigo | iwilcox, may be, i have never use it. |
| 23:47.01 | zz1 | so here⦠http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/how-to-set-up-a-safe-and-secure-web-server/2/ two questionable choices |
| 23:47.03 | somiaj | though most vanilla kernels now include all the configs to make debian packages for debian systems. You shoudln't need the make-kpkg anymore but just run 'make deb-pkg' or something to that effect after you configure the kernel (this requires you have the debian packaing tools installed) |
| 23:47.13 | zz1 | sudo /bin/bash instead of sudo -i |
| 23:47.21 | zz1 | and aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 23:47.46 | somiaj | tensorpudding: That is news to me, but with the choice of install mediums (there will be multile install cd's for each major de) or choosing what de you want from teh netinstaller the default is kinda arbiatary. |
| 23:47.51 | iwilcox | zz1: I wouldn't obsess over either choice if everything is working for you. |
| 23:47.57 | heurist | zz1: much the same effect |
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| 23:49.19 | zz1 | iwilcox heurist I won't obsess about it, but now that I learned something, let me brag a bit about it :-) |
| 23:49.20 | heurist | zz1: sudo /bin/bash will always run bash, sudo -i will run the users shell, which may not be bash. |
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| 23:49.37 | zz1 | heurist It has a point |
| 23:49.58 | heurist | zz1: did you just call me an "it"? |
| 23:50.22 | zz1 | heurist No, I meant "the sentence"! |
| 23:50.47 | heurist | zz1: many of my sentences make sense. |
| 23:51.04 | iwilcox | "It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again" |
| 23:51.13 | zz1 | That's why I am still here at 1:51 am local time |
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| 23:52.19 | centrx | It is getting angry |
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| 23:58.46 | zz1 | centrx who? |
| 23:59.06 | centrx | It |
| 23:59.24 | zz1 | You mean, the sentence? ;-) |
| 23:59.36 | dsf | well what can i do to stay on stable but get more updated packages, i mean mixing with testing isn't good idea? |
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| 23:59.46 | dsf | nor even "possible" because makes no sense |
| 23:59.47 | centrx | !backports |
| 23:59.47 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
