| 00:00.09 | jelly-home | uh... perhaps the skills mentioned in their Core Requirements, for example? |
| 00:00.10 | r-x-w- | can I safely upgrade on an OpenVZ VPS to 7.6? |
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| 00:00.19 | jelly-home | r-x-w-: it depends. |
| 00:00.38 | r-x-w- | jelly-home: on what? |
| 00:00.39 | jelly-home | r-x-w-: upgrade from what? Which kernel is there? |
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| 00:01.09 | royalty | yeah sure they have those skills mentioned but i am having interpreting what they mean |
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| 00:01.16 | jelly-home | r-x-w-: if it's an EL5-based 2.6.18 something kernel, debian 7 userspace won't work |
| 00:01.19 | royalty | ah whatever I'll google it |
| 00:01.25 | royalty | I'm being silly |
| 00:01.57 | r-x-w- | jelly-home: |
| 00:02.05 | r-x-w- | Linux mx 2.6.32-042stab090.5 #1 SMP Sat Jun 21 00:15:09 MSK 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 00:02.22 | jelly-home | that one _might_ support debian 7 |
| 00:02.28 | r-x-w- | jelly-home: it's running 7.5 currently |
| 00:02.51 | jelly-home | r-x-w-: oh, in that case just upgrade the system |
| 00:03.15 | royalty | for instance what is paging and swapping |
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| 00:04.09 | jelly-home | royalty: find some college OS basics classes to learn about those |
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| 00:04.27 | royalty | okay |
| 00:04.31 | jelly-home | wikipedia is nice but tends to go into details |
| 00:06.17 | curious2000 | any one knows programming here? |
| 00:06.22 | curious2000 | ie, python? |
| 00:06.42 | royalty | jelly-home, do you think it is possible to learn these skills in a couple months |
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| 00:07.27 | jelly-home | royalty: unlikely. You can get a good start. |
| 00:07.48 | royalty | dang |
| 00:07.53 | jelly-home | at $work we trained jr. admins for 18+ months |
| 00:08.01 | royalty | lol |
| 00:08.09 | royalty | dang |
| 00:08.28 | royalty | jelly-home can you be my mentor and I'll be your apprentice and you can teach me |
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| 00:08.42 | pce | can someone highlight me, pls |
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| 00:08.50 | jelly-home | pce: nope, sorry |
| 00:08.54 | pce | :) |
| 00:09.17 | pce | thx |
| 00:09.35 | jelly-home | royalty: sure, at $100/hr |
| 00:09.45 | pce | for ..? |
| 00:09.48 | pce | selinux? |
| 00:09.54 | royalty | :( |
| 00:09.54 | pce | cpanel |
| 00:09.55 | abrotman | royalty: perhaps you want ##linux ? |
| 00:09.58 | pce | centos? :) |
| 00:10.00 | jelly-home | building a sysadmin from scratch |
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| 00:10.04 | abrotman | pce: please stop hitting enter, it's annoying |
| 00:10.05 | royalty | ahahaha |
| 00:10.20 | royalty | abrotman: I'll try that |
| 00:10.35 | royalty | jelly-home: i could train up a web dev in a month or something if he was dedicated |
| 00:10.42 | royalty | jelly-home: I think... |
| 00:10.54 | royalty | jelly-home: all my would-be apprentices bailed |
| 00:10.57 | royalty | so lame |
| 00:10.58 | abrotman | royalty: please take this elsewhere, perhaps to msg or sometihng, it's not appropriate for #debian |
| 00:11.05 | abrotman | and that's your last warning |
| 00:11.08 | jelly-home | royalty: first 2-3 LPI exams would provide a decent foundation I guess |
| 00:11.11 | royalty | ok I will |
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| 00:17.21 | r-x-w- | there is a minor issue I had with rebooting Debian 7 on OpenVZ for some time -- that is I have never gotten it to work. |
| 00:18.35 | r-x-w- | on the fresh image there is a >/reboot mark in the init scripts |
| 00:19.21 | r-x-w- | it doesn't do anything tho. |
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| 00:21.44 | rgb | in debian can i put a script inside /etc/hostname in order to generate a random hostname on each boot? |
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| 00:22.20 | rgb | eg $(generate some stuff) does not seem to work |
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| 00:25.26 | mentor | rgb: No |
| 00:25.47 | mentor | rgb: However, you can run scripts on each boot |
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| 00:26.07 | slickthedon | Can someone help me out. My ISP seems to have done some kind of update to my router & now my wifi doesn't show up on either my debian laptop or my brothers, but it shows up and works fine on my android phone. Any suggestions? |
| 00:26.35 | rgb | mentor, ok, then i have to go that way. would have been nice. i know it works on arch or gentoo within rc.conf |
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| 00:27.21 | mentor | The hostname setting script would be the obvious one |
| 00:27.57 | Blue1 | who is you isp? I have never heard of an isp updating router software, but anything is posible. |
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| 00:28.50 | slickthedon | Blue1: optimum online. when I go to 192.168.1.1 to manage my router, i get redirected to router.optimum.net & need to log in to my account first! ridiculous |
| 00:29.31 | CinderBDT | has anyone else noticed that the Debian Security Advisories released in July have had the correct date but the month is June instead of July? This happens to me with multiple browsers on multiple machines and multiple DSA, not just one. Example: https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2958 |
| 00:30.06 | rgb | Blue1, i see more and more isps wanting to go that route |
| 00:30.09 | shay_shay | how can i check backport deps https://packages.debian.org/sid/quassel-core |
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| 00:30.18 | juveniz | hello guys. I have two internet links and a debian gateway with a single NIC. My question is if I can plug my two links and my gateway to a single switch and create a virutal network interface on debian so i could switch from one link to the other automatically. |
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| 00:30.27 | Aeiri | slickthedon: what if your internet is dead and you're trying to log into the router so that you can release/renew DHCP? |
| 00:31.06 | jelly-home | CinderBDT: what have you been smoking? |
| 00:31.06 | mentor | CinderBDT: Email the security list? |
| 00:31.15 | Blue1 | slickthedon: what happens if you ping 192.168.1.1 -- I assume you cleared the cache, right? |
| 00:31.28 | jelly-home | mentor: leg being pulled. |
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| 00:32.13 | CinderBDT | At first I thought perhaps it was that there was a 30 day waiting period between "Date Reported" and the release of the Security Advisory... but that isn't it, right? |
| 00:32.15 | slickthedon | Blue1: I can ping the router. I'm connected through ethernet right now though. I can't get my essid to show up in iwlist. |
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| 00:32.26 | jelly-home | CinderBDT: directly from my mail client 15713 O 20:09 12.06.14 Thijs Kinkhorst ( 51) [SECURITY] [DSA 2958-1] apt security update |
| 00:32.34 | jelly-home | CinderBDT: see that 06. ? |
| 00:32.35 | Blue1 | rgb: I am running dd-wrt here. I have had both cox and comcast and neither one of them update router software afaik |
| 00:33.00 | CinderBDT | jelly-home: isn't this July, 07? |
| 00:33.16 | jelly-home | CinderBDT: that DSA is from June. |
| 00:33.36 | mentor | Reported date? |
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| 00:33.40 | CinderBDT | jelly-home: AH. So the problem is that the RSS feed I am reading is being updated 30 days later. Got it! |
| 00:33.42 | jelly-home | CinderBDT: sixth month of gregorian calendar! |
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| 00:34.19 | jelly-home | dunno about RSS readers, I get mine in mail |
| 00:34.48 | CinderBDT | jelly-home: I was trying to reduce email. I guess I will go back to that. |
| 00:34.49 | Blue1 | slickthedon: have you tried connecting to your router while you are on the ethernet connection? what type of phone? an android? |
| 00:35.25 | Aeiri | Blue1: when they issue the router, they do |
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| 00:36.29 | Aeiri | i doubt dd-wrt would even be flashable on the routers they give you, so i assume you are using your own |
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| 00:37.06 | jelly-home | CinderBDT: rss feed xml source at https://www.debian.org/security/dsa looks sane as well |
| 00:37.13 | Blue1 | Aeiri: yes, I am using a linksys wrt54g -- |
| 00:37.37 | shay_shay | Aeiri: some devices dont have dd-wrt support, or the support is poor, but might have stellar openwrt support for example. openwrt is amazing btw |
| 00:37.40 | CinderBDT | jelly-home: that is what i am using. I will try a different reader. maybe that is where the problem is |
| 00:37.54 | Aeiri | the funny thing is, i had my parents house hooked up with wifi and everything about a year ago, then visited them again a few weeks ago when their router stuff went down, it looks like comcast came out and gave them a new router, then plugged the existing router into the router they gave them |
| 00:37.55 | jelly-home | that may be the issue |
| 00:38.27 | Aeiri | shay_shay: yeah im aware, i run dd-wrt as well |
| 00:38.45 | Blue1 | slickthedon: if you have an android phone, you could use wifi analyzer |
| 00:39.31 | slickthedon | Blue1: it's an android phone, samsung galaxy s3. I am connected to the router via ethernet cable now. that works fine |
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| 00:40.38 | Blue1 | slickthedon: can you access the router on the ethernet connection? wifi analyzer will show you what wifi systems are broadcasting in your area. |
| 00:41.41 | Aeiri | slickthedon: can you connect to Wifi on your phone? |
| 00:42.30 | slickthedon | Aeiri: Yeah, the network shows up and connects fine on my phone |
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| 00:42.46 | eierman | hi |
| 00:42.51 | Aeiri | slickthedon: does `iwlist scanning` show up ANY wifi networks at all? |
| 00:42.53 | foo | Any tips on how to get wheezy working with grub-legacy? |
| 00:43.06 | slickthedon | Aeiri: yeah |
| 00:43.23 | abrotman | foo: what's wrong with grub2? |
| 00:43.28 | Aeiri | slickthedon: so the only one missing is your own network? |
| 00:44.05 | slickthedon | Blue1: there are two "wifi analyzer"s on google play, do you recommend the one by farproc or webprovider? |
| 00:44.09 | slickthedon | Aeiri: Yeah |
| 00:44.12 | Aeiri | slickthedon: is it possible you have your router set to hidden SSID (not broadcasting the SSID, or however it decides to word it)? |
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| 00:44.31 | Blue1 | foo: depending on the machine, you have to enable legacy boot in the bios |
| 00:44.42 | slickthedon | Aeiri: I used to have it that way, but I've flashed it to factory defaults & still can't get it to show up |
| 00:44.53 | Blue1 | slickthedon: hang on let me get my phone |
| 00:45.11 | Aeiri | slickthedon: on your phone, can you have it "forget" your network, then do a scan and see if your network comes back up? |
| 00:45.13 | foo | abrotman: Good to hear from ya. I upgraded from squeeze to wheezy. I then upgraded kernel by removing all old ones and only leaving 3.2. Now, I boot up and get this: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f1bd18f7/ - theory: the system is on Xen in the cloud (my hosting company) and xen-utils doesn't handle grub2 well, so I was told using grub-legacy may do the trick. |
| 00:45.49 | slickthedon | Aeiri: Just did that, and it came right back up |
| 00:46.01 | Blue1 | slickthedon: farproc |
| 00:46.28 | Aeiri | slickthedon: what is the signal strength of your network reported as on your phone? |
| 00:47.03 | slickthedon | Aeiri: "very strong" |
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| 00:47.14 | slickthedon | my ethernet cord is 3 feet so I'm pretty close :) |
| 00:48.32 | abrotman | foo: then install it |
| 00:48.34 | Aeiri | ugh i hate dealing with the wireless tools directly... you have ethernet hooked up can you `apt-get install wicd-curses`? personally i find it much easier to use wicd than anything else |
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| 00:49.09 | CinderBDT | jelly-home: thank you for the idea. that was the issue. confirmed with another reader. sending feedback to dev of this reader. have a good day! |
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| 00:50.00 | Blue1 | Aeiri: yup -- |
| 00:50.20 | Blue1 | they don't call it network mangler for nothing |
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| 00:54.39 | foo | abrotman: I am connected into the old wheezy system drive right now (that's not bootable) through another system. Any tips on how to do this appreciated. This is a production system and I've been glued to the screen for ~4 hours now. Checking some guides now, like this http://saleem-khan.blogspot.com/2011/05/how-to-install-grub-legacy.html |
| 00:54.56 | slickthedon | Aeiri: it doesn't show up in wicd-curses either. but hey, i like wicd-curses, been wanting something like that :) |
| 00:54.56 | slickthedon | I'm gonna try resetting factory defaults from the web interface, maybe that will do something different :\ |
| 00:54.56 | slickthedon | Uhg, "an internal error occured" when i try to reset. |
| 00:55.03 | eierman | i'm trying to remove i386 arch, as i got amd64 now: $ dpkg --remove-architecture i386, but i get 'dpkg: error: cannot remove architecture 'i386' currently in use by the database' and i got just some 'deinstall' packages in 'dpkg --get-selections "*:i386"' can i get around it? |
| 00:55.24 | jmcnaught | foo: is this that won't boot a Xen host, or is it a guest? |
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| 00:55.55 | foo | jmcnaught: it's a guest |
| 00:55.57 | Aeiri | slickthedon: yeah wicd is practically an essential tool now that wireless networking is so weird... trying to get WPA2-LEAP working in wpa_supplicant by hand was a pain in the ass, then i would move over to a different AP and have to start over again.... |
| 00:56.48 | foo | jmcnaught: I only have guest access, my hosting company (internap) can't seem to get this sorted so I'm trying to fix the unbootable wheezy install via filesystem access mounted from another system. The theory now is grub-legacy will work |
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| 00:57.18 | ArchDuke | I reinstalled alsa and somehow managed to end up without a kernel sound driver... halp |
| 00:57.38 | Aeiri | slickthedon: this is such a strange issue if your phone can pick up on it but your computer cant... do you have any another wireless devices to test with? can you boot to a live CD of some sort on the problematic computer to see if it shows up in the live environment? |
| 00:57.45 | jmcnaught | foo: Does the host provide the kernel? I've seen that before with Xen guests, where the guest's kernel is not used. Do they have some sort of management portal that allows you to select a kernel to boot with? |
| 00:58.16 | foo | jmcnaught: I have console access, I don't thinnk they provide a kernel but I will ask now |
| 00:59.39 | rgb | slickthedon, which wifi adapter do you use? is it a usb realtek dongle? |
| 00:59.52 | rgb | ah |
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| 01:01.13 | foo | jmcnaught / abrotman - I found this: http://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/reinstalling-grub-on-unbootable-debian/ - but it assumes I'm in rescue mode, I'm not. Can I chroot /mnt/olddrive/ (or something) and then run those commands? or is that not how chroot works? |
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| 01:02.03 | Aeiri | foo: you should be able to chroot like that if you boot to a live disk yeah |
| 01:02.16 | rgb | slickthedon, which wifi adapter do you use? is it a usb realtek dongle? |
| 01:02.27 | foo | Aeiri: I'm on another debian install with the old drive mounted - will that work? |
| 01:02.27 | Aeiri | chroot /mnt/olddrive /bin/sh |
| 01:02.38 | Aeiri | should, yup |
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| 01:02.51 | foo | Aeiri: thank you, really appreciate it. Tight on time and a little rusty with this stuff. |
| 01:02.53 | Aeiri | worst case scenario you get an error and have to close that terminal |
| 01:02.58 | foo | Aeiri: fair enough. ;) |
| 01:03.30 | foo | Aeiri: ok, appears to have worked. |
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| 01:04.05 | Aeiri | be careful when installing grub from chroot though, the devices are going to be differently named |
| 01:04.10 | foo | Aeiri: hmm, from this: http://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/reinstalling-grub-on-unbootable-debian/ - I don't think I'm /dev/hda, and I'm not sure what it was on this system. I wonder if I can find this in a file ? |
| 01:04.15 | kmyst | got a dns question: where's the zone transfers for a slave get stored? /var/cache/bind i thought |
| 01:04.28 | foo | Aeiri: hmm, interesting - ok. I wonder if this is even a viable game plan? |
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| 01:04.35 | slickthedon | rgb: no, it's an internal card. it uses the iwlwifi. Intel(R) Wireless WiFi Link AGN driver |
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| 01:05.27 | rgb | slickthedon, ok. i'm just asking because i had similar problems yesterday with a buggy realtek driver |
| 01:05.47 | Blue1 | rgb: I have had issues with atheros wireless cards |
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| 01:06.17 | Aeiri | foo: there are some hacky ways to do it... im trying to come up with a non hacky way but one option is to mv /mnt/olddrive/dev to /mnt/olddrive/dev.bak, mkdir /mnt/olddrive/dev, mount -o loop /dev /mnt/olddrive/dev, chroot /mnt/olddrive /bin/sh, edit grub to point to /dev/hdb (or whatever your mounted drive is), then unmount, move the old backed up /mnt/olddrive/dev.bak back.... but there should be an easier way |
| 01:06.20 | jmcnaught | foo: i'm curious, if you have other Xen guests from the same provider (that haven't been upgraded yet and still work okay) what does "uname -a" give you on them? |
| 01:06.35 | rgb | wfi issues, wifi issues everywhere ^^ |
| 01:06.38 | Aeiri | (and rerun grub, forgot that step |
| 01:06.39 | Aeiri | ) |
| 01:06.52 | Blue1 | oh I can get that |
| 01:07.30 | Aeiri | foo: does that make any sense to you? ;) |
| 01:07.34 | Blue1 | http://pkill-9.com/recovering-ubuntudebian-linux-after-a-windows-installhiccup/ |
| 01:07.45 | Blue1 | that the steps I used to re-install grup |
| 01:07.52 | Blue1 | grub even |
| 01:08.01 | foo | jmcnaught: really appreciate the help. I happen to have another system very similar. 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Fri May 10 08:43:19 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 01:08.17 | foo | jmcnaught: hm, mine was older, I had a different kernel. I ran this on my machine when it was bootable... /me tries to get results |
| 01:08.49 | foo | jmcnaught: so this is what I had: 2.6.26-2-xen-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 5 02:55:27 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:09.03 | Aeiri | foo: look at Blue1's article, it's essentially what i was saying but thought out better lol... duh bind mounting for chroots, loopback wont work |
| 01:09.06 | foo | jmcnaught: I was trying to get linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 working |
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| 01:09.33 | foo | Aeiri: thank you, I missed that actually. Checking out now |
| 01:10.01 | foo | curious if if jmcnaught has any other two cents |
| 01:10.47 | jmcnaught | foo: i was just wondering, those do look like the kernels for squeeze and lenny respectively (those not the most updated perhaps) |
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| 01:11.09 | foo | jmcnaught: yeah, my original version was very old - 2.6.26-2 |
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| 01:11.34 | foo | Aeiri / Blue1: blkid returns nothing, probably because I'm not in a live cd, I'm chroot'd into old drive. Is there a way to get the drive location from some file? Hmm, maybe mount |
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| 01:11.52 | Aeiri | foo: is this drive a Xen hypervisor? trying to see how xen is fitting in here if the drive is physically in another machine |
| 01:12.08 | jmcnaught | foo: 2.6.26 on the host that broke while upgrading? Did you attempt to upgrade from Lenny to Wheezy (skipping Squeeze?) |
| 01:12.55 | foo | Aeiri: Not sure, I just know it's xen. The data center's tools are out-of-date and don't play well with grub2 (their version of xen-utils), to my understanding, so I'm trying to get grub legacy working (and even then, this is a theory from earlier) |
| 01:13.08 | Aeiri | foo: blkid is just attempting to show you what drives you have, you can use fdisk to list out drives and partitions as well |
| 01:13.09 | foo | jmcnaught: I was on squeeze, I think the kernel never got updated for squeeze, so when I went to lenny I saw some issues |
| 01:13.23 | foo | Aeiri: the issue: I'm on a different system, so the drive location might be different |
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| 01:13.58 | foo | Aeiri: is there a way I can find drive location in filesystem somewhere? Hmmm |
| 01:14.20 | Aeiri | foo: i havent done Xen in like 5 years, but kernels matter a ton on Xen.... be careful when upgrading is all i can say... all the guests have to have their own kernel with the same version compiled as a client and stuff... not sure how debian does Xen as i was using cent at the time for those servers |
| 01:15.07 | foo | Aeiri: ok |
| 01:15.29 | Aeiri | foo: depends if udev is installed, but `ls /dev/sd*` shoudl list your drives if SCSI, `ls /dev/hd*` if IDE/ATA/etc |
| 01:15.57 | Aeiri | what version of debian is the machine you have the drive plugged into? |
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| 01:16.03 | foo | Aeiri: squeeze |
| 01:16.30 | foo | Aeiri: nothing in /dev/sd* or /dev/hd* - possibly because these are files from wheezy filesystem |
| 01:16.31 | Aeiri | yeah you should be good listing out /dev/sd* /dev/hd* |
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| 01:16.47 | Aeiri | foo: in the chroot or outside of it? |
| 01:16.48 | foo | Aeiri: as a reminder, I'm chroot'd into old filesystem from wheezy system |
| 01:16.50 | Aeiri | k |
| 01:16.52 | foo | Aeiri: inside |
| 01:16.53 | Aeiri | get out of chroot |
| 01:16.57 | foo | types exit |
| 01:17.00 | Aeiri | :) |
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| 01:17.59 | Aeiri | foo: blkid should work outside the chroot too, actually |
| 01:18.02 | foo | Aeiri: nothing. blkid shows /dev/xvda3: LABEL="/" |
| 01:18.16 | Aeiri | ...interesting |
| 01:18.19 | foo | Aeiri: and /dev/xvda1: LABEL="/boot" UUID="c97d9c19-182e-4e70-8401-4b140bc30dc6" TYPE="ext3" |
| 01:18.30 | foo | Aeiri: going to check another system in the cloud I have with this host |
| 01:18.43 | jmcnaught | "/dev/xvda1" just sounds like a Xen PV block device |
| 01:18.47 | Aeiri | how is this drive plugged into this other machine? |
| 01:18.54 | foo | Aeiri: I have same drive names there, too |
| 01:19.04 | foo | Aeiri: somehow with xen, I'm not too sure. They just mounted it for me in /mnt |
| 01:19.26 | Aeiri | ahhhh |
| 01:19.28 | Aeiri | hmm |
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| 01:19.46 | waorogna | want to run mbmon daemon on start-up. go to /etc/default/mbmon and set START_MBMON=1 does not help. |
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| 01:19.51 | Aeiri | i think grub-install needs access to the block device, which it sounds like they didnt give you |
| 01:20.07 | foo | Aeiri: interesting, I see what you're saying. |
| 01:20.09 | foo | Aeiri: another option... |
| 01:20.30 | Aeiri | well i guess it depends what all exactly happened to grub, but having access to the block device would be the best option |
| 01:20.32 | foo | Aeiri: I just copy everything from that system to this system (from wheezy to squeeze), and I just don't upgrade. Thinking I might do this. Production system been offline for ~4 hours now. |
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| 01:21.45 | Aeiri | what do you mean by "copy everything"? as in `cp -r /mnt/olddrive/* /`? |
| 01:22.01 | Aeiri | highly dont recommend that, it will trash all the new config and binaries... |
| 01:22.03 | foo | Aeiri: copy web directories, apache / php config |
| 01:22.08 | Aeiri | oh okay |
| 01:22.09 | foo | Aeiri: nah, not old config. :) |
| 01:22.30 | foo | Aeiri: I'm going to do this and see what happens. |
| 01:22.38 | foo | Aeiri: Just getting back online is more important now |
| 01:22.40 | Aeiri | yeah that should work if you have everything organized cleanly |
| 01:23.15 | foo | Aeiri: "if"... hmm, mysql databases, that can get messy. postfix mail config. hmm, so much stuff. |
| 01:23.16 | Aeiri | and you dont have anything crazy running with special users and such |
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| 01:23.22 | Aeiri | yeah.. |
| 01:23.41 | foo | Aeiri: gah, ok, how about one more stab... I wonder if there is any way to fix grub. |
| 01:24.10 | foo | Aeiri: I did apt-get remove --purge the old kernel that used to work |
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| 01:24.19 | Aeiri | foo: so what exactly happens when you boot it? |
| 01:24.21 | foo | Aeiri: I wonder if I can get that working. I think it's still in the system somewhere |
| 01:24.33 | foo | Aeiri: really appreciate your help, thank you. I get this: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f1bd18f7/ |
| 01:24.41 | foo | Aeiri: no options, it hangs with that. |
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| 01:25.45 | Aeiri | foo: are you managing the hypervisor or is your datacenter doing all of that? do you basically just have a xen VPS, then it busted, they gave you a new one and mounted the old one inside? |
| 01:26.19 | foo | Aeiri: hm, I may be able to pull old kernel from var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 01:26.25 | jmcnaught | foo: this is a message you get at boot? It looks like this is not software from Debian (being in /usr/local). If you remove or disable that script from starting, does the system come up (web and email if not xen console) |
| 01:26.50 | foo | Aeiri: data center doing all of that, yes - to my understanding. I have xen vps, it busted, they gave me a new one and mounted old one inside |
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| 01:27.23 | foo | jmcnaught: I did grep -iR from /etc and couldn't find that script anywhere. Let me try to search the whole drive for xencons-sh |
| 01:27.42 | Aeiri | foo: ive been on the other side of this sort of situation, im sure the datacenter is wanting you to migrate to the new VPS, not try to get the old one working... you mgiht want to ask them |
| 01:28.01 | foo | jmcnaught: absolutely nothing on google for that error. Not sure if this is happening at the guest level of at the Xen host level - I see that when I connect with the console they provided me |
| 01:28.32 | foo | Aeiri: yeah, I've talked with them and said I'm trying to fix it first before doing that. I could do either, though |
| 01:28.35 | Blue1 | does anyone know what kernel version sid and jesse have? |
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| 01:29.05 | jmcnaught | Blue1: https://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 01:29.48 | Aeiri | foo: dont dont dont modify xencons-sh, but can you pastebin us lines 40-58 or so? |
| 01:30.04 | foo | Aeiri: no idea what that is or where it is, trying to find it now |
| 01:30.19 | Aeiri | /usr/local/xc/current/bin/xencons-sh |
| 01:30.36 | Aeiri | inside the mount, not the new VPS |
| 01:31.03 | Aeiri | i just want to know what exactly is failing, you absolutely should not modify that file, though |
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| 01:31.36 | foo | Aeiri: I won't :) |
| 01:32.01 | foo | Aeiri: yeah, I don't have that file on my instance |
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| 01:32.14 | foo | Aeiri: 1/usr/local/xc/current/bin/xencons-sh: ERROR: cannot open `1/usr/local/xc/current/bin/xencons-sh' (No such file or directory) |
| 01:32.18 | Aeiri | ive had colleagues working at a datacenter modify files like that, then wonder why an entire hypervisor went down when we upgraded xen..... they were otherwise competent so im just stressing it :) |
| 01:32.20 | foo | Aeiri: which makes me think that's on the xen host or something else weird... |
| 01:32.36 | foo | Aeiri: grateful for all your advice :) |
| 01:32.38 | Aeiri | it might be on the hypervisor... |
| 01:32.46 | Aeiri | in which case you cant really do anything |
| 01:32.54 | foo | Aeiri: I see, I wonder if I can get that file from them. If the contents will help you, I can try to get it |
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| 01:33.19 | Aeiri | no dont worry about that |
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| 01:33.47 | foo | Aeiri: options: A) I try to get grub legacy working OR B) I try to get my old kernel working. Old kernel could work at this point |
| 01:33.55 | Aeiri | foo: err... you have a "1" before the path there... |
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| 01:34.24 | foo | Aeiri: yeah, the mount is /mnt/1/ - my fault on the past |
| 01:34.25 | foo | paste |
| 01:34.54 | Aeiri | nevermind then hehe |
| 01:35.19 | foo | Aeiri: I can't seem to find my old kernel in /mnt/1/var/cache/apt/archives - guess it's not there |
| 01:35.24 | waorogna | Howt to run mbmon daemon on start-up? Been to /etc/default/mbmon and set START_MBMON=1 but it does not help. |
| 01:36.16 | Aeiri | foo: my recommendation is to migrate to the new VPS they provided... might be a pain in the ass, but when screwing with kernels inside of a Xen guest you can mess up the hypervisor's boot sometimes |
| 01:36.36 | foo | Aeiri: is hypervisor the name of the host? |
| 01:36.44 | Aeiri | i think it would actually be faster to migrate to the new VPS than to get the old one working then do an upgrade, which may break it again |
| 01:37.00 | LiENUS | is there a built in way in debian to handle detection of a dvd insertion? or should i install something incron |
| 01:37.21 | foo | Aeiri: ok, is there a way to mount /mnt/olddrive/home/ to /home/ ? |
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| 01:37.26 | foo | Aeiri: instead of cp/rsync everything over |
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| 01:37.43 | Aeiri | foo: the hypervisor is the OS that is running on the actual baremetal rack, inside this kernel are probably 10-100 VPSes running inside of it |
| 01:37.51 | foo | Aeiri: gotcha |
| 01:38.20 | Aeiri | you dont have access to the hypervisor, the datacenter does |
| 01:38.20 | foo | Aeiri: gotcha |
| 01:38.32 | Aeiri | foo: for /home, yes and no... it depends what you are trying to do, what are you trying to do? |
| 01:38.39 | Aeiri | foo: cp might be better depending on what you are trying to do |
| 01:39.10 | foo | Aeiri: I have all my web directories in /home/www on old drive |
| 01:39.36 | Aeiri | since you want to fully migrate, you want to cp that... they are going to unmount /mnt/1 once you have migrated and destroy that old VPS and its virtual disk |
| 01:39.51 | foo | Aeiri: gotcha |
| 01:41.54 | Aeiri | foo: what hosting provider is this? just curious |
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| 01:42.15 | foo | Aeiri: internap |
| 01:42.56 | foo | Aeiri: ... who I thought was extremely awesome, but I didn't get too much support on this. |
| 01:43.07 | Aeiri | foo: what service do you have? |
| 01:43.37 | foo | Aeiri: just vps in cloud, unmanaged, I'm not complaining, the timing of all of this just wasn't the greatest. |
| 01:43.48 | Aeiri | foo: meh you're not going to find many that will help you with this sort of migration since its specific to your environment |
| 01:44.00 | foo | Aeiri: ohh! ok, that's good to know |
| 01:44.28 | foo | Aeiri: thanks for sharing that. |
| 01:45.03 | |oop | What's going on in here |
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| 01:46.35 | foo | Aeiri: gah, I do have several different folder/file structures with different perms for web access. |
| 01:47.19 | Aeiri | foo: k... try to copy the relevant portions of /etc/passwd and /etc/group over to the new environment first |
| 01:47.23 | Epakai | where is pulseaudio getting launched from if it's running as my user but i'm not even logged in? |
| 01:47.25 | foo | Aeiri: ah, ok |
| 01:47.36 | Aeiri | btw anyone listening in, what i just said, dont do that in a desktop or in an emergency situation |
| 01:47.44 | Aeiri | usermod/useradd, please :) |
| 01:48.07 | Aeiri | *just in an |
| 01:48.12 | Aeiri | and server side mostly |
| 01:48.14 | Aeiri | anyway |
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| 01:49.27 | Aeiri | Epakai: the init scripts for pulse i think look at the people in the pulse group and spawn the processes... so sysvinit/systemd |
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| 01:51.08 | Aeiri | foo: then what you are going to do is cp with the "-p" option, which will preserve the UID/GID of every file over to the new environment |
| 01:51.30 | Aeiri | so manually copying over the passwd/group files this way will preserve the UID/GIDs on the files, and make sure the users are the same |
| 01:51.33 | Aeiri | make sense? |
| 01:51.57 | foo | Aeiri: yup, I have done a similar flag with rsync |
| 01:52.03 | foo | hm, guess I should cancel my cp then since I didn't think about this until now |
| 01:52.46 | Aeiri | foo: those users, what are they for specifically? are they users you created to separate out permissions or are you talking about the apache user, the postfix user, etc? |
| 01:52.53 | Aeiri | foo: how "default" are you, i guess is the question |
| 01:53.34 | Aeiri | if they are the apache user, the postfix user, etc, i would get rid of whatever i had you do in passwd/group and just copy over, then chown -R those directories as needed |
| 01:53.54 | Aeiri | but if you do special user permissions, then continue with what i was talking about |
| 01:54.03 | foo | Aeiri: really only a web user, and some folders had apache user access |
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| 01:54.31 | Aeiri | foo: okay you want the " |
| 01:54.46 | Aeiri | foo: okay you want the "-p" still, but dont worry about passwd/group (remove anything you did before) |
| 01:55.09 | Aeiri | when you install the apache package, it will create the apache user for you and it should be the same owner |
| 01:55.11 | foo | Aeiri: ok. FWIW - getting some help in #xen if you want to join there. |
| 01:55.15 | foo | Aeiri: gotha |
| 01:55.16 | foo | gotcha |
| 01:57.29 | foo | Aeiri: ok, going to try to fix grub, seems like this may not be that bad after all |
| 01:57.57 | foo | Aeiri: happen to know if upgrade from squeeze to wheezy kept a backup copy of my old grub config? |
| 01:58.00 | foo | checks |
| 01:58.21 | Aeiri | yeah im trying to get a feel for what they are suggesting for you... ill chime in after i figure out what they are getting at |
| 01:59.17 | Aeiri | they might very well know more about xen/grub than me... again its been quite a few years since i did xen stuff... then again.... that error didnt suggest grub issues.... where did you conclude grub issues? is this what your datacenter said? |
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| 02:00.08 | foo | Aeiri: great question, the idea is that this error: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f1bd18f7/ is on the host. Also, this may help: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=599243 |
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| 02:01.45 | Aeiri | foo: okay i just looked at how pygrub works with the domU and the kernel... it seems they have updated how guest OS's work in xen, which is really cool because it was a pain in the ass to manage before |
| 02:02.03 | Aeiri | #xen might actually get you on the right path because of this |
| 02:02.12 | foo | Aeiri: I see! ok |
| 02:02.28 | foo | Aeiri: I'm getting stuck on manually setting up the grub conf / menu |
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| 02:03.14 | Aeiri | can you pastebin the existing files? |
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| 02:04.20 | foo | Aeiri: sure, the grub ones |
| 02:04.23 | Aeiri | foo: im trying to take a step back a bit since #xen is doing a decent job of guiding you... im keeping my eye on things though... ever had two different GPS devices in the same car? they give you different routes and get you confused :D |
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| 02:05.25 | aeromatt | does anyone have experience using vlc for webcam streaming on a debian server |
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| 02:07.10 | foo | Aeiri: haha No problem, appreciate the help. Just got off the phone with internap... think my best bet is to keep at this |
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| 02:08.15 | booger_ | How do I delete or update a Certificate? My web browser will let me go almost any where I wont but "www.xfce.org" The Certificate does not match the expected identity. |
| 02:11.55 | Aeiri | foo: from a debian standpoint, what they are doing is great for getting your server back up and running, but i will say that you might want to ask internap to keep the new VPS and let you migrate over in your own time (after everything is working again).... some of what is going on is going to make a slight mess... yes its possible to recover, but upgrading within this production system LIVE is probably not your best option |
| 02:12.33 | foo | Aeiri: appreciate that, I'm ok to do that at my own pace - not a bad idea |
| 02:13.16 | foo | Aeiri: one issue: I removed all old kernels on this system and in /boot/grub/menu.lst - I see many of them still |
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| 02:13.55 | Aeiri | foo: that shouldnt matter as long as the default boot kernel is a working one |
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| 02:13.59 | mentor | booger_: The certificate is being provided by the website |
| 02:14.09 | foo | Aeiri: ok |
| 02:14.21 | foo | Aeiri: how do I know what the default is ? |
| 02:14.48 | booger_ | Yes |
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| 02:14.58 | Aeiri | foo: ask Kevin`, he had you install grub-legacy which i havent fiddled with in years |
| 02:15.19 | Aeiri | grub2 solved so many problems for me that i entirely jumped ship :) |
| 02:15.20 | foo | Aeiri: alrighty :) |
| 02:15.48 | booger_ | So should it work with a different browser? |
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| 02:16.15 | codepython777 | What is the most light weight desktop environment for debian? I dont want to install kde/gnome... |
| 02:16.23 | codepython777 | preferably easy to use and install |
| 02:16.43 | codepython777 | probably a window manager is all i need? |
| 02:17.01 | booger_ | IceWm is nice |
| 02:17.19 | Aeiri | booger_: xfce.org's cert is only valid for wiki.xfce.org and xfce.org, so if you just use xfce.org in any browser (take off the www.) it will work |
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| 02:17.25 | Aeiri | booger_: i get the same error on www.xfce.org |
| 02:17.33 | codepython777 | booger_: how does it compare with openbox? |
| 02:18.08 | Aeiri | codepython777: openbox is lighter than xfce, but xfce is lighter than kde/gnome |
| 02:18.25 | booger_ | I thought it was just me because it loads fine in windows xp |
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| 02:18.43 | Aeiri | booger_: you probably dont have the "www." on XP |
| 02:18.57 | Aeiri | or XP excuses www. or something |
| 02:19.04 | booger_ | Icewm is nice compared to openbox |
| 02:19.05 | codepython777 | Aeiri: is xfce trouble to install? Do you have any inkling of how many MBs download each one is? |
| 02:19.15 | Aeiri | i mean XP isnt supported anymore so i'd just bomb that box |
| 02:19.44 | Aeiri | codepython777: errrr... not sure on size, but all WMs/DEs are a simple apt-get away.... xfce will be smaller than kde/gnome though |
| 02:20.16 | Aeiri | if you are into light WMs, though, i'd recommend tiling based ones like i3 |
| 02:20.23 | booger_ | Opera and Firefox run good and i have antivirus |
| 02:20.27 | codepython777 | booger_: is apt-get install icewm enough? how do i start it? |
| 02:20.42 | Aeiri | but if you are looking for the standard windowing environment, as booger_ said, icewm is an option, *box, xfce |
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| 02:20.59 | booger_ | It should be but im really no expert |
| 02:22.39 | Aeiri | codepython777: are you using gdm or something like that? are you provided a login screen when you start X? |
| 02:22.51 | codepython777 | i just installed icewm - but no startx? |
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| 02:23.39 | Aeiri | codepython777: install xserver-xorg |
| 02:23.48 | Aeiri | codepython777: i figured icewm would have that as a dep, but i guess not |
| 02:24.06 | codepython777 | that doesnt sound like a good package then - which doesnt even install its dependencies? |
| 02:24.45 | codepython777 | Aeiri: apt-get install xserver-xorg? |
| 02:25.17 | codepython777 | ah - apt-get install x-window-system? |
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| 02:26.42 | Aeiri | codepython777: what version of debian are you on? should have prefaced with that :) |
| 02:28.19 | codepython777 | wheezy |
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| 02:28.44 | codepython777 | i think it automatically figures out wheezy/main |
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| 02:33.51 | codepython777 | Aeiri: tried to change resolution using Xorg -configure : seg fault |
| 02:34.03 | codepython777 | icewm doesnt seem baked for debian yet? |
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| 02:34.38 | Aeiri | icewm should be working in debian |
| 02:35.04 | Aeiri | Xorg -configure wouldnt be an icewm problem, you havent even configured an .xinitrc yet |
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| 02:37.17 | codepython777 | Aeiri: to change resolution , fix .xinitrc? |
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| 02:38.10 | Aeiri | no sorry im a bit distracted, i wouldnt really worry about the resolution, you can change it once X is started |
| 02:38.32 | codepython777 | how do i change it? |
| 02:38.45 | Aeiri | well first get X working :) one step at a time |
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| 02:39.45 | Aeiri | just try startx and see if X starts, it should and no WM should be present |
| 02:40.28 | codepython777 | Aeiri: k |
| 02:41.04 | codepython777 | when i right click, i see a menu - icewm already running after startx? |
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| 02:41.18 | foo | Aeiri: appreciate all your help man, thank you so much. We're doing it right now, really hope this works. |
| 02:41.40 | Aeiri | codepython777: that sounds like *box (like openbox) icewm should have a taskbar at the bottom |
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| 02:41.55 | Aeiri | foo: yeah, well, my xen knowledge is a little more out of date than i realized :) |
| 02:42.06 | codepython777 | Aeiri: it does have a taskbar at the bottom, had to scroll, the resolution is not right |
| 02:42.28 | Aeiri | foo: http://blog.xen.org/index.php/2011/01/14/linux-2-6-37-first-upstream-linux-kernel-to-work-as-dom0/ |
| 02:42.31 | foo | Aeiri: I appreciate the intent :) |
| 02:42.59 | Aeiri | codepython777: openbox would as well |
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| 02:43.18 | Aeiri | codepython777: it all depends what you see... lol.... i mean.... can you take a screenshot? |
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| 02:47.57 | foo | Aeiri: man, we're back. Ok, now, mysql isn't running for some strange reason. |
| 02:48.33 | foo | Aeiri: dpkg -L |grep -i mysql shows: rc mysql-server-5.1 |
| 02:48.43 | Aeiri | ps aux | grep -i mysql |
| 02:48.52 | foo | Aeiri: not running, /etc/init.d/mysql start - nothing |
| 02:49.16 | foo | Aeiri: I'm install mysql-server right now... apparently I need to do this? Not sure how it was lost during the upgrade |
| 02:49.19 | Aeiri | find the mysql log and take a look |
| 02:49.27 | foo | Aeiri: good idea |
| 02:49.46 | foo | Aeiri: man, can't explain how good this feels. |
| 02:49.49 | foo | Aeiri: #progress |
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| 02:52.45 | foo | Aeiri: man, my sites are blazing fast, too. |
| 02:53.40 | foo | Aeiri: haha, maybe I spoke too soon on speed, but at least things are online. :) |
| 02:53.46 | Aeiri | foo: its because all that traffic you had has been 404'd for so long, everyone decided to go away and check back later |
| 02:53.48 | foo | Aeiri: that was actually the whole reason I did this... |
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| 02:57.54 | arven | I have libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 installed, but no /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libGL.so |
| 02:58.19 | arven | is there any reason why the library wouldn't even be there? something to do with the "alternatives"? |
| 02:58.20 | Aeiri | foo: how's it going? |
| 02:59.28 | arven | oh, no wonder... I'm not using libgl1-mesa, I'm using nvidia GL. |
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| 03:01.45 | foo | Aeiri: revisiting a few things, hmm |
| 03:02.01 | foo | Aeiri: I still do see this error on boot: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a1cd0dff/ - then I see this: http://screencast.com/t/LTPvNyLcTZ - and then it eventually boots |
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| 03:05.47 | foo | Aeiri: so, I do have speed issues still... was having this before the update. mod_php was blamed, was going to switch to fastcgi and php-fpm |
| 03:06.22 | foo | Aeiri: eg. load average: 7.37, 4.20, 1.68 |
| 03:07.11 | Aeiri | foo: if you are having speed issues, you might want to consider nginx over apache |
| 03:07.35 | Aeiri | i use php-fpm mostly for security reasons, never really thought of how it impacted performance really |
| 03:08.10 | foo | Aeiri: to my understanding, mod_php is the culprit, but that's so of a guess. I was a server admin in another life but I'm very rusty with troubleshooting speed issues. |
| 03:09.10 | foo | Aeiri: from top, looks like mysql is what is hitting the system hard, hmm |
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| 03:10.32 | foo | Aeiri: hm, I wonder if it was this from the slow log: http://pastie.org/private/wvysj2k3jvf40xfunvv8w |
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| 03:13.23 | Aeiri | foo: what exactly are those queries? |
| 03:13.40 | foo | Aeiri: Not sure, really. Actually, I doubt that's responsible for the load |
| 03:13.41 | Aeiri | foo: as in, when/how are they executed |
| 03:13.52 | Aeiri | if its like once a day, thats not going to affect anything |
| 03:14.52 | foo | Aeiri: yeah, it's probably not that - I just happened to see them in slow log |
| 03:15.03 | foo | Aeiri: http://screencast.com/t/ZN0OPnAs4fy |
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| 03:15.35 | foo | Aeiri: not i/o bottleneck, not swapping, must be processor bottleneck |
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| 03:16.46 | foo | Aeiri: ideally, I think the server runs below < 2 |
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| 03:17.59 | Aeiri | lol irssi |
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| 03:18.57 | Aeiri | foo: your site is up and working, right? |
| 03:19.05 | Aeiri | or is mysql still b0rked? |
| 03:19.22 | foo | Aeiri: yup, nah, it's all good. I might just call it a day and troubleshoot speed issues / set up fastcgi tomorrow |
| 03:19.28 | foo | Aeiri: I'm going to do tha |
| 03:19.28 | foo | that |
| 03:19.30 | foo | thank you :) |
| 03:19.54 | Aeiri | well |
| 03:19.59 | Aeiri | i will say one more thing |
| 03:20.03 | Aeiri | htop is better than top for linux :) |
| 03:20.36 | Aeiri | i only use top when im stuck on solaris or something |
| 03:21.20 | foo | Aeiri: ohh! Will try that now :) |
| 03:21.50 | arven | Is htop linux only? |
| 03:23.22 | Aeiri | yes, but apparently theres a hack to get it to work on freebsd but ive never tried to |
| 03:23.34 | Aeiri | it heavily relies on the way linux uses procfs |
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| 03:36.05 | nkn__ | Hey guys, in dpkg-buildpackage how can I specify additional arguments which my build needs? I am using cmake and I'd like to pass some cmake variables like -DBUILD_CONFIG=true etc. Any help? |
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| 04:01.50 | timh | hi, any experts here that can help troubleshoot a booting problem? cannot get past initial kde screen... |
| 04:02.20 | timh | debian 7 |
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| 04:07.29 | codepython777 | how do i change the display resolution of xorg+icewm? |
| 04:07.33 | codepython777 | tried toolbar, didnt work |
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| 04:09.11 | Aeiri | codepython777: get into a terminal and use the xrandr command |
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| 04:09.41 | Aeiri | so `xrandr` to see your outputs |
| 04:09.55 | Aeiri | if you see "LVDS1" or something, you can then see a list of supported resolutions |
| 04:10.24 | Aeiri | xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1920x1080 |
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| 04:12.13 | codepython777 | Aeiri: I tried |
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| 04:12.54 | Aeiri | codepython777: was it that xrandr didnt exist? |
| 04:13.21 | codepython777 | xrandr exists |
| 04:13.35 | codepython777 | It failed to get size of gamma for output defauult |
| 04:13.41 | codepython777 | output LVDS1 not found; ignoring |
| 04:13.53 | Aeiri | well LVDS1 was just an example |
| 04:13.56 | codepython777 | I tried ~/.icewm/toolbar - and added 1366x768 there - no use |
| 04:13.59 | Aeiri | what does just xrandr do? |
| 04:14.17 | Aeiri | use http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 04:14.23 | codepython777 | just lists resolutions upto 1024x768 |
| 04:15.17 | codepython777 | Aeiri: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7787585/ |
| 04:15.29 | aeromatt | weird |
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| 04:15.34 | aeromatt | im getting green blocks on my webcam stream |
| 04:16.04 | Aeiri | codepython777: what type of machine are you running and what type of video hardware? |
| 04:16.16 | codepython777 | Aeiri: virtualbox VM |
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| 04:19.49 | Aeiri | codepython777: virtualbox-guest-x11 i believe is a package you'll need |
| 04:20.00 | Aeiri | virtualbox-guest-utils |
| 04:20.03 | Aeiri | woudl be good to have as well |
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| 04:21.07 | Aeiri | codepython777: virtualbox is running on windows i assume, right? |
| 04:22.20 | codepython777 | Aeiri: trying |
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| 04:22.44 | Aeiri | codepython777: k then get those two packages, then restart X and you should have the right virtualbox guest video driver installed |
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| 04:22.55 | codepython777 | yes |
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| 04:27.29 | codepython777 | thanks. |
| 04:27.30 | codepython777 | Aeiri: That worked! |
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| 04:29.17 | Aeiri | codepython777: awesome :D |
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| 04:36.51 | donofrio | help, gotta a package issue - W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/binary-powerpc/PackagesIndex Hash Sum mismatch |
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| 04:39.20 | Aeiri | donofrio: was that an "apt-get update"? |
| 04:40.17 | donofrio | yes |
| 04:40.52 | kingsley | donofrio: have you searched Google's indices for the error message? |
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| 04:43.08 | donofrio | I have looked around but not found answer yet.... |
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| 04:44.38 | kingsley | donofrio: Are you comfortable reading English? |
| 04:45.03 | donofrio | uh yes |
| 04:45.40 | kingsley | Have you seen... |
| 04:45.42 | kingsley | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15505775/debian-apt-packages-hash-sum-mismatch |
| 04:45.43 | kingsley | and |
| 04:45.55 | kingsley | http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=4294.0 |
| 04:45.56 | kingsley | ? |
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| 04:47.46 | donofrio | attempting rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists option |
| 04:50.50 | donofrio | that seemed to have fixed this.... |
| 04:51.08 | donofrio | paste.debian.net/109368 is the list of packages that dpkg should be installing but it doesn't seem to be reading it when I dpkg --set-selections < package_list_file |
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| 04:59.18 | SrvK | Wouldn't hosting the Release file and Release.gpg on a namecoin .bit domain make it easier to verify signatures in a trustless way, without having to rely on the web of trust? |
| 04:59.45 | internat | hi guys, ihave an ip serial device that the standard drivers wont work for me with.. But the device can present the serial port on a TCP socket.. so im wondering if there are any applications that can make me a virtual serial port that will connect to said socket |
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| 05:02.12 | SrvK | internat: I'm not sure if this is helpful, but check out socat |
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| 05:05.10 | internat | that might do it :) |
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| 05:13.33 | internat | socat works, seems to exit after each connection, so just need to stop that and im golden :) |
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| 05:14.34 | SrvK | awesome |
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| 05:26.40 | zlude_ | Hello! Someone can help me giving a north american ssh server? no root needed, i just need test a ssh reverse proxy to test if a browser rpg game can be more faster when using a "proxy" |
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| 05:29.17 | Guest95664 | ciao |
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| 05:52.23 | weaktea__ | My wheezy box keeps booting into a terminal (no GUI), I tried following the Debian nvidia driver instruction to a tee, here's the output, but still no GUI http://pastie.org/private/ct7umkan5nc8mp76jr03w |
| 05:52.27 | weaktea__ | anyone know what's going on? |
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| 05:57.27 | jmcnaught | weaktea__: that paste has no line numbers, but try searching it for "Error!", the line below the error suggests checking the file /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/304.117/build/make.log |
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| 05:59.40 | weaktea__ | jmcnaught: http://hastebin.com/delukolove.pas |
| 05:59.43 | weaktea__ | that's the content |
| 05:59.58 | weaktea__ | but not really sure what to make of it |
| 06:00.30 | jmcnaught | weaktea__: sorry i don't like enabling javascript on domains i'm not familiar with. This channel generally prefers that people use http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 06:00.59 | weaktea__ | jmcnaught: no problem http://paste.debian.net/109428/ |
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| 06:05.49 | jmcnaught | weaktea__: sorry i took a look but i'm not really sure what's wrong. It looks like the kernel module wasn't properly compiled. I bet that if you remove the file you created in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d your system would start using the default nouveau driver again if that's any help |
| 06:06.29 | weaktea__ | jmcnaught: right, it seems that driver doens't work either, cause I've tried that, but I'll try going a little deeper in google pages and see if anyone else is havving similar issues |
| 06:06.33 | weaktea__ | jmcnaught: thanks for the help though |
| 06:06.54 | jmcnaught | weaktea__: best of luck :) |
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| 06:09.06 | some-cowbell | jmcnaught: how do you restrict javascript by domain? |
| 06:09.20 | weaktea__ | some-cowbell: maybe noscript? |
| 06:09.41 | some-cowbell | weaktea__: how does that work? |
| 06:10.25 | weaktea__ | some-cowbell: well in the case of noscript, it's a browser addon, available for firefox and chrome, and probably other browsers... you can set default settings to disallow all and any domains from running javascript, and then allow them as you visit, or have a whitelist/blacklist type setup |
| 06:10.34 | weaktea__ | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/ |
| 06:10.35 | jmcnaught | some-cowbell: yeah i use noscript addon for iceweasel |
| 06:10.55 | jmcnaught | it's also available as the package xul-ext-noscript |
| 06:11.04 | some-cowbell | perfect... I was wondering about that pretty much for years |
| 06:11.19 | some-cowbell | what's xul? |
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| 06:13.42 | some-cowbell | would the addon contained in the package xul-ext-noscript work for iceweasel? (btw, someone was talking about firefox being slower than many browsers, is chrome faster? if I remember right, someone said it was faster at google sites |
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| 06:14.42 | jmcnaught | some-cowbell: XML User interface Language, it's what Mozilla uses for making user interfaces for Firefox and Thunderbird. There are a whole bunch of addons packaged with names "xul-*" in the debian repos, and they work for Iceweasel. That way they can be installed system-wide. Adblock is there too, and dozens of others |
| 06:15.39 | jmcnaught | some-cowbell: try "apt-cache search xul-ext | less" |
| 06:15.56 | some-cowbell | anyone notice some sites sending hundreds of cookies at a time? |
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| 06:18.32 | some-cowbell | I have "ask every time" set for how long I keep cookies, and what happens when I get a flood of cookies, is the dialogs for the cookies won't respond except in a certain order, and that order is not generally obvious, so sometimes I sit there and move the cookie windows around and go back n forth until I deny em all |
| 06:20.06 | some-cowbell | when they don't respond, I can't push buttons including close box, the only thing I can do is move them |
| 06:20.17 | some-cowbell | and resize them |
| 06:20.29 | jmcnaught | some-cowbell: you might also like xul-ext-cookie-monster which is sort of like noscript but for cookies. I also use https://www.eff.org/privacybadger |
| 06:21.05 | some-cowbell | is efnet still around? |
| 06:21.23 | Dave302 | Yes, EFnet seems to be dying though. |
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| 06:21.54 | some-cowbell | because it's too big? |
| 06:22.07 | some-cowbell | too many sploits n scripts? |
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| 06:22.51 | Dave302 | No, because it's too small. EFnet has always been a cliquish network with a definite anarachistic attitude. Personally I hope it dies soon. |
| 06:23.23 | some-cowbell | oh, hacker nests |
| 06:24.01 | Dave302 | Yep, basically. They would like to think of themselves as that. The "true" hackers probably would choose more of a dark net. |
| 06:24.02 | ajvpot | ss |
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| 06:24.40 | SrvK | some-cowbell: I use the self-destructing cookies addon for firefox |
| 06:25.01 | some-cowbell | SrvK, noted :) thanks |
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| 06:25.49 | Dave302 | Is anyone here familiar with Deb's manual partitioning utiliity (note: I am not a noob. I fully understand the concept of partitions. However this tool can get low level to include 'blocks', as in old days.) |
| 06:25.53 | SrvK | is cookie monster released under GPL or similar? |
| 06:26.14 | some-cowbell | well there's fdisk, sfdisk |
| 06:26.39 | some-cowbell | Dave302, you mean the thing during install? |
| 06:27.01 | some-cowbell | or just something you can get low with? |
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| 06:28.03 | jmcnaught | SrvK: the package's copyright file says it's MPL-1.1, GPL-2+ or LGPL-2.1+ |
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| 06:28.30 | SrvK | thanks |
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| 06:31.23 | Dave302 | Let me explain my background. I have been tainted. After years with AmigaDOS then then simple MS-DOS I switched to OS/2 and then Windows. Of course Microsoft makes stuff easy, and things are implied. Assigning a drive letter to a drive is a much more tangible thing to grasp. Also the fact that windows needs only one partition, two if you don't mind swap space. POINT: I have read many |
| 06:31.23 | Dave302 | different points of contention regarding advanced setup in Debian. While you really only need / (root) and swap (obviously double or at max triple physical memory), a more intimate paritioning scheme can be done such as, probably the best / ; /home ; (swap?) <I'm not in front of the util>... I notice there's options to make the parition bootable. This Deb 7.5 install will be used as a Dual |
| 06:31.23 | Dave302 | boot with Win7. I've read than bootable need not be set, but at what point in the process does the installer recognize this and automatically install grub? |
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| 06:34.01 | SrvK | In the very last step you will be prompted to install grub to the /boot partition (which by the way can be on a removable media if you want everything on your hard drive to be encrypted) |
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| 06:34.46 | jelly-home | Dave302: there's no need or use for that much swap these days, either |
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| 06:39.13 | Dave302 | Thanks, SrvK. I have used many different distros to include OpenSuse, Fedora, and I'm sad now to say, Ubuntu (back in the heydey when it was better). However, Debian, with it's purist approach, I haven't had time to experiment with. So, are you telling me that I need at bare minimum at manual install (since the Debian installer IS NOT recognizing that I have Windows installed and is not |
| 06:39.13 | Dave302 | offering to just use the free space.. Going into Deb's advanced partitioning utility can be a bit daunting ONLY if you dont know what the system expects. so is Deb requing /boot ; / ; /home (swap)? should that do it? I've noticed some distros like OpenSuse like to install a /boot partition, but others like Ubuntu don't. I have found with OpenSuse that, when upgrading, multiple kernels get |
| 06:39.13 | Dave302 | stuck in there and it becomes a chore to discern what's important and what can be thrown out. Hence i'm a fan of the "everything in root" except /home (for easy backup). Does this make sense? |
| 06:39.52 | some-cowbell | the "double ram" thing for swap isn't a hard and fast rule any more. |
| 06:40.37 | some-cowbell | you can do that if you want to (everything in / except /home) |
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| 06:41.08 | Dave302 | Jelly: I have indeed run Gnome and KDE monitors, and I've noticed that swap space rarely gets touched. I'm sure there's still a use for it. I suppose that you're implying that Linux is not overbloated like Windows, such that it requires far less memory depending on what's loaded, modules, software, or otherwise, of course. |
| 06:41.18 | some-cowbell | just keep your eye on how much / gets filled (by logs mostly, in /var) |
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| 06:41.40 | Blue1 | fwiw -- I usually go 1.5 times ram size - Lord help me if I have to swap out 4 G |
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| 06:41.57 | Dave302 | and once again, the double the swap thing is not is because? (i just want to hear it from you) |
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| 06:42.18 | some-cowbell | I think the double-ram rule came from bsd |
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| 06:42.48 | some-cowbell | it used to be, it was mandatory |
| 06:42.56 | jelly-home | Dave302: not really. Just saying that more than say 2GB is useless becuase if the machine manages to page out that much, the faster way of recovery is to just push the reset button than to wait for paging in |
| 06:43.09 | Dave302 | LOL, the double-ram rule I think was invented for Winslow |
| 06:43.18 | Dave302 | it needed it DIRELY at the time |
| 06:44.12 | jelly-home | hibernation uses a swap device by default tho, so that's a possible reason to keep it a larger, up to 1x RAM |
| 06:44.17 | Dave302 | now that M$ has has their back against the wall and has been forced to clean up their act (somewhat)... mmmm.. I'll just say it's improved, but it'll NEVER touch BSD or Linux in stablity |
| 06:45.23 | Dave302 | Yeah, but who really hibernates that often? most use sleep.. hibernate is like to save your laptop state while on plane for hours until you get to your hotel |
| 06:45.29 | some-cowbell | they burn out their workers inside of a year... to get a stable os, you need people that memorize things for like 20 years |
| 06:47.05 | some-cowbell | I never figured out how to unhibernate in linux... do you add somethign to grub? |
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| 06:47.41 | jelly-home | it ought to be added automatically. |
| 06:48.20 | Dave302 | Not only that, but come on, let's think about this.. AT&T gifted UC Berkeley a copy of unix, they modified it.. they had entirely different needs. One was put out by a company for mission critical mainframes, the other for running stable stuff... MS came into the picture, made things their own way.. their commericial interests got in the way of them patching things timely |
| 06:48.20 | some-cowbell | so you hibernate, and something writes a grub.config? |
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| 06:49.29 | jelly-home | no. Regardless of whether you hibernate or not, if support is installed there should be a resume=(device node here) boot parameter for the linux kenrel |
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| 06:50.25 | jelly-home | initramfs checks for resume signature on that swap partition/lvm at boot |
| 06:50.30 | some-cowbell | but at that point, the linux kernel would be in the hibernate space, right? which is what, swap? |
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| 06:51.00 | some-cowbell | I must have done it wrong, I never seen that before |
| 06:51.41 | Dave302 | Jelly: what distro did you start with, how many have you used, and why did you choose debian and for how long have you used it? |
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| 06:52.45 | some-cowbell | I started with LSL, a two-floppy ramdisk linux from a long time ago... until I was going to install it on the hd that is |
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| 06:53.16 | Dave302 | LSL? |
| 06:53.29 | jelly-home | Dave302: debian, irrelevant (I think the first Linux I used was Redhat), it works, since 1996 |
| 06:53.32 | jelly-home | SLS probably |
| 06:53.39 | some-cowbell | precursor to slackware |
| 06:54.41 | jelly-home | these kinds of questions are probably better asked in #debian-offtopic to save the main channel for support |
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| 06:55.34 | some-cowbell | I probably have to restart iceweasel after installing xul-ext-*? |
| 06:55.55 | jmcnaught | some-cowbell: yes |
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| 06:56.18 | Dave302 | Jelly: The reason I asked (how many) is because I feel it gives perspective of how different programmers envision how a distro should look/operate. I'm surprised you didn't start with Slackware... as the old saying goes "Use red hat, you learn red hat. Use Slackware; you learn linux" |
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| 06:57.14 | jelly-home | Dave302: it wasn't my choice. The first Linux I installed for myself was Debian around 2000 |
| 06:57.16 | Dave302 | some: Slackware came out around 1993 IIRC... so you were doing some homebrew stuff having to compile stuff i bet. |
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| 06:57.22 | some-cowbell | that's an old saying :) you know how I know? redhat is gone... (fedora now) |
| 06:57.58 | some-cowbell | oh yeah, compiling was the thing in those days |
| 06:58.05 | some-cowbell | it should still be today |
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| 06:59.02 | Dave302 | Jelly: Since there isn't Debian-Support listed in the title, I thought this was a catch all channel. Everybody's chatting here. I just don't think you like the topic. |
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| 06:59.32 | some-cowbell | in fact the redhat company was sold to some venture capitalists |
| 06:59.53 | jelly-home | Dave302: a little non-support is allowed as long as there are no actual support questions. |
| 07:00.01 | Dave302 | Cowbell: Yep |
| 07:00.54 | jelly-home | Dave302: the impression it's allowed is quite incorrect |
| 07:00.57 | Dave302 | Compiling, IMHO has its good and bad points. It's time consuming, and you must know what you're doing, otherwise it can be a major PITA, esp. with depedency hell. |
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| 07:01.44 | some-cowbell | the reason I compile certain things is to avoid dep hell like the plague that it is |
| 07:02.15 | Dave302 | I actually prefer the way Apple does things. THey practically had to break FreeBSD, but all binaries have their own dependencies contained within the icon stored in the apps special folder. Reduces dependency conflicts big time to just about zilch. |
| 07:02.32 | jelly-home | some-cowbell: if something's gone wrong you can hardcode GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="resume=/dev/disk/by-uuid/whatever-the-swap-device-uuid" into /etc/default/grub |
| 07:03.03 | some-cowbell | unfortunately my laptop got severely damaged not too long ago |
| 07:03.27 | some-cowbell | jelly-home: thanks, noted. |
| 07:03.29 | jelly-home | Dave302: really, let's move this to #debian-offtopic |
| 07:04.00 | Dave302 | Jelly: Are you an operator? YES OR NO |
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| 07:04.41 | some-cowbell | any mo9re questions :) |
| 07:04.42 | jelly-home | Dave302: you had two warnings. |
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| 07:05.19 | some-cowbell | those were more conversational and had no "warning" tone |
| 07:06.05 | some-cowbell | if you want to warn someone, I'd appreciate it if you use the word "warning" |
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| 07:06.43 | Blue1 | I watched to much lost in space as a kid. |
| 07:06.45 | jelly-home | I like to think there's no need for threats just to keep the topic in line. |
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| 07:07.12 | some-cowbell | you probably know what my reply to that is gonna be |
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| 07:11.44 | some-cowbell | he asked you a question which you could have replied to with "yes as a matter of fact I am" rather than throw the +q at that point, not sure whether your intent with not doing so is to make it be "surprise! you're banned! yes I am an op!". |
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| 07:16.25 | Dave302 | ? |
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| 07:17.55 | Dave302 | Debian is a great OS. However there is a certain control freak here who bans speech about Mac OS X Darwin, even though they closely resemble each other |
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| 07:21.52 | some-cowbell | to be fair, it seems to me he didn't want to come off that way; I'm guessing there was some shame involved in posting an actual warning. Unfortunately, it didn't work out the way he wanted, people got pissed... if you can see your way clear, let's all cool down (I'm a bit pissed too, so that goes for me as well) |
| 07:22.47 | some-cowbell | as far as I'm concerned, you -gotta- make a clear warning... |
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| 07:25.57 | Dave302 | No, I don't agree with that assessment at all. You're backing down to kiss his butt. He ORDERED a conversation back on topic (Unless you're a judge or authority figure, you don't order, and if you do, you give PLENTY warning with restraint, and SUCH problem is being ordered ceased for a good reason) He thinks he can do whatever he wants. He's fighting back to me via private message, and he |
| 07:25.57 | Dave302 | JUST can't let it go. He got all pissy because we were talking about a topic ***HE*** didn't want us to talk about. I swear to God, if I were a Net Admin, I'd track him down. I bet he still has pimples, no social skills, and is 25 or under and this is the biggest power trip he has. |
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| 07:27.46 | jmcnaught | let it go folks.. there's a #debian-offtopic for a reason. Also demanding to know if someone is an op in all caps is pretty rude. This isn't the place to discuss op decisions, and resorting to insults is no good either. |
| 07:28.38 | Dave302 | So JellyDoughnut Boy, Don't mess with the men.. or the bulls. You'll get the horns. Grow up and EASE UP |
| 07:28.57 | Dave302 | JM: At NO time did I DEMAND. I asked |
| 07:29.08 | Dave302 | and he took away my voice saying he DIdnd't HAVE to answer |
| 07:29.11 | Dave302 | Yes he does. |
| 07:29.16 | jmcnaught | Dave302: maybe you should come back when you've calmed down :) |
| 07:29.42 | Dave302 | Jm: Maybe you should stay out of this and stop making light. He was an asshole and you're supporting him |
| 07:29.45 | Dave302 | SHAME on you. |
| 07:29.47 | Dave302 | Don't talk to me |
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| 07:30.27 | ochiottes | drama on #debian? how unusual |
| 07:30.42 | ochiottes | but entertaining |
| 07:31.10 | some-cowbell | rather watch "The Client List" |
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| 07:32.39 | Blue1 | ochiottes: indeed |
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| 07:59.49 | XYZAFFA1R | I am currently on debian wheezy and when I try and use my wireless logitech mouse it doesnt work, it kind of skips around but wont work. |
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| 08:01.35 | XYZAFFA1R | I am currently on debian wheezy and when I try and use my wireless logitech mouse it doesnt work, it kind of skips around but wont work. |
| 08:01.45 | XYZAFFA1R | Oh I didnt mean to say that twice, sorry. |
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| 08:06.58 | some-cowbell | does your mouse work better under other software/oses? |
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| 08:09.06 | some-cowbell | XYZAFFA1R, see above |
| 08:09.41 | XYZAFFA1R | some-cowbell, Windows 7 |
| 08:09.45 | XYZAFFA1R | it works there |
| 08:10.01 | some-cowbell | ok, so perhaps the problem is a driver issue? |
| 08:10.10 | XYZAFFA1R | possibly |
| 08:10.19 | XYZAFFA1R | It doesnt work with a kernel update |
| 08:10.25 | some-cowbell | you just confirmed the hardware works |
| 08:10.31 | XYZAFFA1R | yes |
| 08:11.26 | some-cowbell | maybe it's settings like timing for sampling of the mouse position |
| 08:11.43 | some-cowbell | maybe it's serial communication |
| 08:11.59 | XYZAFFA1R | Ok. |
| 08:12.02 | XYZAFFA1R | So.... |
| 08:12.12 | XYZAFFA1R | Panic? |
| 08:12.16 | some-cowbell | does the driver under windows have a control panel that's specific to the device? |
| 08:12.26 | some-cowbell | dunno yet |
| 08:12.42 | XYZAFFA1R | I have no idea |
| 08:12.55 | XYZAFFA1R | Its my borthers mouse but it works on his computer |
| 08:13.09 | some-cowbell | oic |
| 08:13.19 | XYZAFFA1R | oic? |
| 08:13.26 | some-cowbell | Oh, I see |
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| 08:14.01 | XYZAFFA1R | I dont use no windows |
| 08:14.23 | some-cowbell | do you have a different mouse that does work? |
| 08:14.36 | XYZAFFA1R | Yes, but I need a second right now |
| 08:14.55 | XYZAFFA1R | (not for the same computer) |
| 08:14.58 | XYZAFFA1R | But yes |
| 08:14.58 | some-cowbell | a second mouse? or a moment? |
| 08:15.09 | XYZAFFA1R | what |
| 08:15.18 | XYZAFFA1R | I have two computers, I need a mouse for both |
| 08:15.29 | some-cowbell | oh, now I see |
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| 08:15.54 | some-cowbell | you need two mice |
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| 08:16.11 | XYZAFFA1R | Yus |
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| 08:17.00 | some-cowbell | that part... I dunno what to tell ya :) if your bro has another different mouse, I'd say ask and give that a try |
| 08:17.37 | XYZAFFA1R | He's in some monistary somewhere. |
| 08:17.43 | XYZAFFA1R | I cant really ask him for much |
| 08:18.03 | mindstorm | tried synergy? providing the comps are on the same network in close proximity to eachother and otherwise fits your needs |
| 08:18.26 | XYZAFFA1R | to what eachother |
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| 08:18.44 | some-cowbell | well in that case it'd be on you to get yourself a different mouse... |
| 08:18.53 | XYZAFFA1R | wha |
| 08:19.02 | XYZAFFA1R | the mouse is fine though |
| 08:20.17 | some-cowbell | yes, it seems so... but it also seems that it needs something to operate properly. You can either try to get a driver that's specific for that particular mouse, or go out and spend 10 bux for something that will work in a pinch |
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| 08:20.54 | some-cowbell | what is the specific model of mouse? |
| 08:20.55 | XYZAFFA1R | i dun have moneys |
| 08:21.44 | some-cowbell | are the machines networked? |
| 08:22.00 | some-cowbell | can they ping each other? |
| 08:22.03 | XYZAFFA1R | unless P/N or PID is the model I have no idea |
| 08:22.26 | mindstorm | ps/2 or usb? |
| 08:22.27 | some-cowbell | pid might be product ID |
| 08:22.29 | XYZAFFA1R | I can ping the other computer |
| 08:22.30 | XYZAFFA1R | USB |
| 08:22.43 | XYZAFFA1R | its wireless. |
| 08:23.10 | XYZAFFA1R | PID: LZ01773 |
| 08:24.27 | mindstorm | the receiver plugged into the right computer or if bluetooth did you pair it? |
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| 08:24.56 | XYZAFFA1R | its all correct |
| 08:25.05 | XYZAFFA1R | My other mouse is a corded gaming mouse |
| 08:25.25 | XYZAFFA1R | the mouse kind of jumps around a little bit when plugged in |
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| 08:26.53 | ski | . o O ( <news:scary.devil.monastery> ) |
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| 08:31.41 | XYZAFFA1R | no drivers for this specific mouse that I can find |
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| 08:32.54 | temhaa | hi |
| 08:32.58 | temhaa | I'm using lxc on debian |
| 08:33.04 | temhaa | I upgraded dbus package in lxc machines. and reboot required |
| 08:33.09 | temhaa | would be enough reboot lxc machine. otherwise should I reboot main machine. |
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| 08:34.28 | babilen | I wouldn't see why a host reboot should be necessary |
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| 08:43.36 | newbage | in synaptic package manager, I can't install 'harden' because it tells me the package is broken |
| 08:43.46 | newbage | why is this and how do I fix it so I can install 'harden' |
| 08:43.48 | newbage | ? |
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| 08:49.56 | zenkeku | Hey guys! I'm attempting to download a debian iso, but everytime I attempt to reach a mirror I get a "404" response. Are the servers down for maintenance? |
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| 08:51.00 | sec | newbage1: Harden contains a number of virtual packages. Try installing them individually. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-automatic-harden.en.html |
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| 08:56.17 | newbage1 | sec: so, harden isn't a package on its own? I'm not familiar with virtual packages... |
| 08:56.32 | newbage1 | sec: incidentally, that page is where I was starting from... |
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| 08:59.39 | loeken | zenkeku, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 08:59.41 | sec | No, it's not newbage1, I was looking at harden myself this morning, skipped a few virt-packages for some other day. |
| 09:00.36 | zenkeku | loeken: Yes! I just found it. Turns out that on the server 7.5.0 is listed as 7.5.0-live, and the link goes to 7.5.0 |
| 09:01.50 | babilen | zenkeku: You might also want to consider using the netinstall image with firmware *iff* your hardware requires that. (cf. "/msg dpkg firmware image") |
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| 09:39.43 | XYZAFFA1R | I feel stupid the mouse just didnt like my desk surface :) |
| 09:42.13 | some-cowbell | XYZAFFA1R: so the mouse is working well? |
| 09:42.30 | babilen | heh |
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| 09:44.28 | XYZAFFA1R | some-cowbell, yeah :/ |
| 09:44.31 | XYZAFFA1R | Bye thanks |
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| 09:44.38 | XYZAFFA1R | I feel really stupid right now |
| 09:44.43 | XYZAFFA1R | thanks for your time bye |
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| 09:47.04 | tsumego | debian |
| 09:48.01 | sec | tsumego |
| 09:48.49 | tsumego | I’m trying to install R3.1.0 on a Google Compute Engine instance of Debian 7.6 (wheey). sudo apt-get install r-base installs an older version 2.15. Anyone know how to install more recent? |
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| 09:49.09 | tsumego | This page makes me think the R package available might be associated with the Debian release: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=r-base |
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| 09:49.33 | tsumego | I tried sudo apt-get install r-base=3.1.0 but it says unknown version |
| 09:51.07 | babilen | judd: v r-base |
| 09:51.09 | judd | Package: r-base on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.1-6; wheezy: 2.15.1-4; jessie: 3.1.0-1; sid: 3.1.1-1 |
| 09:52.24 | tsumego | Does this mean R3.1.0 is not supported on wheezy? Perhaps I can try installing via source |
| 09:52.35 | babilen | tsumego: That version of R is not in Debian wheezy and I have no idea if you can manually backport it. If you need a newer version you could either track testing/unstable (which I might advise against on production systems) or use whatever method upstream offers to install their software locally. (in /usr/local, managed with <stow> -- /msg dpkg stow) |
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| 09:57.17 | alexa | Hello! I'm new Debian user. Previously I've used Ubuntu and Mint. What draw me to Debian is its stability. I believe I'll manage to customize it my way. First things first: |
| 09:57.31 | alexa | I'd like to use cinnamon DE |
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| 09:58.28 | alexa | I hadn't luck, couldn't install it. It looks like Mint wants to preserve cinnamon only for itself. |
| 09:58.47 | alexa | then I decided to use xfce |
| 09:59.02 | Taueres | Hi to all, I would like to install Debian on an EFI system. Is it possible? |
| 09:59.13 | alexa | so I have to make it more fluid. |
| 10:00.00 | alexa | like transparent panel and cool window borders and nice icons |
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| 10:01.59 | alexa | I have one big question: what should one do if some programme has dependancy which version is older than the version already installed? |
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| 10:04.20 | tsumego | babilen: thank you. |
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| 10:05.31 | temhaa | babilen, so If I reboot lxc machine does effective? |
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| 10:16.27 | DHowett | Taueres: yeah! in large part, it'll work pretty much automatically. |
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| 10:21.05 | Taueres | DHowett, does it work even on the stable release Wheezy? |
| 10:21.12 | DHowett | yep! |
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| 10:21.41 | Taueres | DHowett, ty :) |
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| 10:39.20 | msrd0 | I have package firmware-realtek installed from unstable. Now I'm trying to "modprobe rtl8723ae" but no such module could be found. On https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-realtek it says there is such a module. What is wrong? |
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| 10:40.44 | babilen | msrd0: What does "uname -a" give you? |
| 10:41.00 | msrd0 | babilen: Linux dominic-informatikfreak 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.60-1+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 10:41.17 | babilen | msrd0: Yeah, that kernel does not have that module. You have to install a newer one from backports |
| 10:41.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell msrd0 -about bdo kernel |
| 10:41.24 | msrd0 | how? |
| 10:41.58 | msrd0 | okay i'll try |
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| 10:56.11 | msrd0 | babilen: I can now insert the module, but it marks wlan as "not available" |
| 10:57.15 | babilen | msrd0: The module marks wlan as "not available" ? |
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| 10:58.16 | msrd0 | Normally (bevore uname told me the module could not be found and I tried to reinstall) I saw a list of wlan-routers and could choose one. Now there stands "Wlan: Not available" (kde network manager) |
| 10:58.35 | babilen | Ah, in network manager. |
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| 11:00.10 | some-cowbell | msrd0, you could try running as root: iwlist scan |
| 11:00.22 | some-cowbell | to see if it sees any networks |
| 11:00.27 | babilen | Okay, what does "ip a" give you? What about "modprobe -r rtl8723ae ; modprobe rtl8723ae ; dmesg|tail -n42"? Please also run "ip link set wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" and show the output of "cat /etc/network/interfaces" -- Did you restart the service with "service network-manager restart" ? Did that change something? |
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| 11:00.50 | msrd0 | some-cowbell: wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 11:01.07 | msrd0 | some-cowbell: it sees eth0, lo and wlan0 |
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| 11:02.09 | babilen | Oh, paste all of that to http://paste.debian.net |
| 11:02.17 | some-cowbell | do what babilen is saying, it looks like it sets things up better |
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| 11:03.38 | some-cowbell | in particular... it makes sure the driver is running (or shows you errors), it puts the interface up, and then you can run the iwlist and it should show you some nets |
| 11:04.07 | horsik_ | is there a reason why systemd rdepends on initscripts? |
| 11:04.13 | msrd0 | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/109444/ (i restarted my computer twice and it still dont work) |
| 11:04.15 | horsik_ | isn't that like a sysvinit thing? |
| 11:05.20 | some-cowbell | the initscripts are what systemd runs |
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| 11:05.56 | babilen | msrd0: You have a kill switch (either software or hardware). Please install rfkill and run "rfkill list" |
| 11:06.18 | babilen | horsik_: yes, I already explained it to you yesterday. Please check your logs. |
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| 11:07.13 | msrd0 | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/109445/ |
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| 11:07.54 | babilen | msrd0: Okay, which laptop is that? Does "rfkill unblock all" change something about that? |
| 11:08.25 | msrd0 | babilen: toshiba satellite c870-1d2 |
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| 11:08.48 | msrd0 | babilen: rfkill unblock all didn't change anything |
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| 11:09.10 | mallxs | hi all, wanne setup a local socs proxy server to route some lan trafic to the correct wan, what package could i use for this ? is dante-server the best choice ? |
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| 11:09.51 | babilen | msrd0: Do you have a hardware kill switch on that device? |
| 11:10.20 | msrd0 | babilen: don't know what this is. I had wlan running once |
| 11:10.40 | babilen | msrd0: I mean do you have a physical switch that allows you to turn the wifi on or off |
| 11:10.56 | msrd0 | babilen: No I dont have that |
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| 11:11.49 | msrd0 | babilen: I had wlan running on debian, than I noticed IÃÂt wasn't available anymore (I had compat-wireless-drivers installed from sources) and now trying to install it again |
| 11:11.59 | some-cowbell | msrd0: since you ran the rfkill, I got curious what happens when you run "ip link set wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" |
| 11:12.13 | babilen | msrd0: Okay, then it is some weird bios/windows software thing. To you have FN-F8 toggle of wireless? |
| 11:12.50 | msrd0 | some-cowbell: just the same result as bevore |
| 11:12.52 | babilen | msrd0: And you are sure that you cleaned up all remnants of that misguided attempt? |
| 11:13.09 | msrd0 | babilen: no, it is a music controll for programs like amarok |
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| 11:13.50 | babilen | What is a "music controll" ? |
| 11:14.17 | msrd0 | A control for a music player, in this case it will go to the next song (sorry for my english) |
| 11:14.24 | babilen | FN-F8 does toggle something related to your music and not the wireless? |
| 11:14.30 | msrd0 | yes |
| 11:14.38 | babilen | Would you prefer talking in a different language? |
| 11:14.44 | msrd0 | german? |
| 11:14.54 | babilen | Sure, #debian.de kann auch Deutsch |
| 11:15.10 | msrd0 | but i dont think there are many people that can help me |
| 11:15.26 | babilen | I could talk in German with you over there ;) |
| 11:16.00 | babilen | And it is a fairly active channel that is populated by a lot of knowledgeable people |
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| 11:24.09 | rgb | hello |
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| 11:24.36 | rgb | is there a debian repo which offers the tor browser bundle or do i have to install it manually? |
| 11:25.06 | babilen | judd: info torbrowser-launcher --release unstable |
| 11:25.07 | judd | Package torbrowser-launcher (contrib/python, optional) in sid/i386: helps download, update and run the Tor Browser Bundle. Version: 0.1.0-1.2; Size: 260.3k; Installed: 461k; Homepage: https://micahflee.com/torbrowser-launcher/ |
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| 11:25.53 | babilen | judd: v torbrowser-launcher |
| 11:25.54 | judd | Package: torbrowser-launcher on i386 -- jessie/contrib: 0.1.0-1.1; sid/contrib: 0.1.0-1.2 |
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| 11:26.36 | babilen | rgb: So, just install ^^ if you track jessie/unstable or download it manually. You could probably also backport that to wheezy fairly easily by following the instructions in <ssb> -- /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 11:27.46 | rgb | babilen thank you - i have to sort your information. i'm fairly new to debian :) |
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| 11:28.44 | babilen | rgb: I would just download the tor browser bundle from upstream and don't worry about a Debian package. |
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| 11:29.31 | babilen | rgb: What I said was essentially: If you use a development release (of which we have two, one called testing (aka jessie) and the other unstable (aka sid)) you could install the torbrowser-launcher package right away. |
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| 11:29.58 | babilen | That package would download the bundle and do some minimal setup, but it is essentially not much different from download it yourself. |
| 11:31.02 | babilen | If you run wheezy (current "stable") you cannot install that package but you could try to "backport" it (i.e. compile in the context of wheezy, against the libraries there, ...) from sid/unstable by following the procedure in the <ssb> factoid which you can read with "/msg dpkg ssb" in here |
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| 11:31.14 | rgb | ok i see. but that package would track updates i guess? |
| 11:31.39 | babilen | I guess that that package is super easy as it will just contain a script to download the software and therefore don't expect the backporting to be problematic at all |
| 11:31.45 | rgb | wheezy is debian7? |
| 11:31.49 | easo2k | yes |
| 11:32.00 | rgb | ok, then i run wheezy |
| 11:32.25 | babilen | rgb: Well, once you've backported it you would be responsible for maintaining updates. So while the package itself would get updates you would have to re-backport newer versions whenever necessary. |
| 11:32.35 | nkuttler | rgb: fwiw, upstream torbrowser has upgrade notifications built in, so installing manually is simple |
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| 11:33.23 | babilen | I haven't checked the package in detail (it might be able to simply always download the "newest" version and that is how I would try to make the package), but given that you are a new user in Debian I wouldn't bother with this and just download the browser bundle from upstream manually. |
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| 11:33.38 | nkuttler | yeah, deb only downloads upstream |
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| 11:35.05 | rgb | ok. i guess there's not much to do than shown in this guide? http://linuxg.net/tor-browser-how-to-install-tor-on-debian-operating-systems/ |
| 11:35.13 | rgb | well i think there's a readme anyway ^^ |
| 11:35.40 | babilen | I find that overly complicated, but yeah .. you could do that. |
| 11:36.16 | babilen | I also think that the binary is called "start-tor-browser" rather than "torbrowser" these days. |
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| 11:36.53 | babilen | All you have to do is to download the tor browser file, unpack it and then run "start-tor-browser" in there. No installation or anything like that is necessary. |
| 11:37.16 | babilen | Ah, they create an alias. |
| 11:38.06 | babilen | I mean that guide is okay, but it does a lot more than just download the browser. Do you have other users on your box that will use the tor browser? |
| 11:38.27 | rgb | babilen, then it's like some kind of self contained "binary" (compareable to an app on os x?) including a browser, tor, and adjusted settings? |
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| 11:38.39 | rgb | babilen, no it's me alone |
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| 11:40.17 | timh | hi, can anyone give me their opinion on a booting problem? |
| 11:40.36 | rgb | btw is there a gtk based frontend to extract all kinds of archives? |
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| 11:43.10 | babilen | rgb: Yes, why don't you just try it? I mean I can explain it all day :) |
| 11:43.47 | babilen | If it is not comfortable enough to use it if you just unpack if *somewhere* you can follow that guide, but that really is overkill if all you want is to run the tor browser as a single user. |
| 11:44.17 | babilen | There is file-roller which integrates nicely into nautilus ("extract here", ...) |
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| 11:46.53 | timh | anyone use kde? |
| 11:47.14 | easo2k | timh: no metaquestions please. please ask direct |
| 11:47.20 | timh | power went out here last night and when I boot up, the screen freezes during bootup |
| 11:47.54 | timh | I multiboot and other OS are not effected |
| 11:47.56 | tremon | timh: after login, or before login? |
| 11:48.23 | timh | before |
| 11:48.33 | timh | I don't get to login |
| 11:48.43 | timh | splash screen shows only |
| 11:48.53 | rgb | babilen, sure it's just that i like it to clear some of my questions that come into my mind before diving into action. ;) |
| 11:48.57 | rgb | thanks btw ^^ |
| 11:49.02 | tremon | then it's unlike to have to do with kde :) |
| 11:49.03 | easo2k | what did you do while linux was active and power went away, are there any error messages? |
| 11:49.24 | timh | ctrl-alt-f1 results in 'just wait message' and freezes there |
| 11:49.28 | tremon | timh: try booting without the splash, or press escape to kill the splash screen |
| 11:50.04 | tremon | timh: are you running systemd? "just wait" is not a message I recognize |
| 11:50.21 | timh | tremon: I forget the exact msg |
| 11:50.33 | easo2k | possible to switch to another tty by pressing control+alt+F3? |
| 11:51.38 | timh | easo2k: no error msgs... I tried to look at log files but I couldn't find anything indicating what's wrong |
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| 11:52.22 | tremon | timh: so the boot sequence does progress far enough that you can login, or did you use a livecd? |
| 11:52.36 | timh | cannot login |
| 11:52.43 | timh | the OS is installed |
| 11:53.10 | timh | doesn't get to login screen |
| 11:53.11 | tremon | so how did you look at log files? |
| 11:53.12 | some-cowbell | timh, but you can see logs? |
| 11:53.21 | timh | tremon: from another linux OS |
| 11:53.31 | easo2k | he uses multiboot |
| 11:53.34 | timh | I can boot up another OS |
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| 11:54.37 | timh | the power outage only effected this, AFAIK.. as I was using it at the time |
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| 11:55.06 | tremon | fair enough. We need to know exactly where it stalls during boot. Try booting without splash and quiet on the command line |
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| 11:55.32 | some-cowbell | timh, what happens if you boot into single-user mode? |
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| 11:55.36 | easo2k | if i have a running debian + kde/plasma and power goes away it shoudnt break the system(?) |
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| 11:56.26 | equex | depends on what you are doing when power goes away :) |
| 11:56.33 | easo2k | what did you do while power did go away? |
| 11:57.03 | equex | writing to disk while power goes away usually does it |
| 11:57.42 | timh | haha |
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| 11:58.05 | timh | it happened quickly... I was using iceweasel, I guess |
| 11:58.09 | timh | just browsing |
| 11:58.32 | easo2k | isnt ext4 okay with it? what about e2fsck |
| 11:58.34 | timh | maybe loffice |
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| 11:58.56 | some-cowbell | could have written a cache item when power went out |
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| 11:59.41 | timh | it was only brief.... like a few seconds...just enough for computer to restart |
| 11:59.56 | timh | I need to order a battery for my back-ups :( |
| 11:59.56 | easo2k | i just learned that lost+found folder is when journaling interrupt happens |
| 12:00.25 | equex | chances are your disk errors are limited to iceweasel cache itemsd |
| 12:00.57 | equex | or a corrupted swap. in any case,a fsck shoudl help? |
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| 12:01.39 | some-cowbell | you can fsck on a swap? |
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| 12:02.06 | timh | fsck, how? |
| 12:02.27 | easo2k | e2fsck /dev/sdX |
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| 12:04.56 | timh | if I try to use a file manager from a different partition/OS, and check properties, is it normal that 'some contents are unreadable?' |
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| 12:07.32 | timh | easo2k: there were errors so I selected (y) to fix each one |
| 12:07.33 | easo2k | i recommend using pmagic live to check |
| 12:07.37 | tremon | they can be if you're not root |
| 12:07.51 | easo2k | ok |
| 12:08.01 | timh | should I show? |
| 12:08.23 | easo2k | yeah show us *g |
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| 12:09.32 | timh | http://paste.debian.net/109454/ |
| 12:10.50 | easo2k | "Inodes that were part of a corrupted orphan linked list found." |
| 12:11.18 | timh | what does it mean? |
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| 12:11.47 | easo2k | good question :) |
| 12:11.51 | easo2k | does it boot now? |
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| 12:14.11 | timh | not sure |
| 12:14.17 | easo2k | try |
| 12:14.26 | timh | I'll have to leave this OS/session to try/see ;) |
| 12:15.18 | timh | if it still doesn't, thanks anyway |
| 12:15.22 | easo2k | :D |
| 12:15.33 | timh | something is/was obviously in bad shape |
| 12:15.35 | equex | good luck:) |
| 12:15.41 | timh | thanks |
| 12:15.46 | easo2k | i suggest to tar your /home/X directory to keep settings |
| 12:15.51 | easo2k | and then reinstall |
| 12:15.55 | easo2k | yeah good luck ;) |
| 12:16.06 | timh | sorry, how do I? |
| 12:16.34 | easo2k | tar cvzf home_backup.tar.bz /home/X |
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| 12:17.06 | easo2k | and then copy the bz to somewhere safe |
| 12:17.36 | easo2k | ah i mixed up |
| 12:18.00 | easo2k | tar cvjf home_backup.tar.bz /home/X |
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| 12:19.04 | easo2k | z = gzip, j = bzip2 packing algo |
| 12:20.12 | timh | thanks |
| 12:20.17 | timh | I'll see if it boots now |
| 12:20.28 | easo2k | ok cu :) |
| 12:21.16 | timh | ;) |
| 12:22.54 | abrotman | !enter |
| 12:22.54 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 12:26.11 | easo2k | sorry abrotman. i will consider ;) |
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| 12:27.40 | bertrik | it seems I have a network issue after a recent network-manager update on debian unstable |
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| 12:29.15 | bertrik | for example, pinging www.google.com gives me "From laptop (169.254.8.42) icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable" |
| 12:30.01 | bertrik | This address is assigned to eth0 (which has no cable in it). I have a wireless connection that is working fine. |
| 12:30.37 | timh | easo2k: you are a genius.. ;) I can boot now :) |
| 12:30.50 | timh | thanks... :) |
| 12:31.30 | timh | also thanks to others who answered me :) I cannot remember who did, sorry |
| 12:31.37 | easo2k | :D |
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| 12:33.22 | duggles | bertrik: through which interface are you trying to connect to the internet? |
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| 12:35.09 | hazard | Anyone happen to have a link to a resource regarding the open sourciness of available database servers? |
| 12:35.30 | bertrik | duggles: I don't care / don't know which interface, don't understand the question to be honest. I'd prefer the wireless because that one is set up properly and actually working (unlike eth0 which doesn't even have a cable attached) |
| 12:35.53 | hazard | I've been away a while, and haven't liked the recommendations I've gotten thus far. (mostly sqlite, but I can't trust somebody sponsored by Bloomberg and Adobe) |
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| 12:36.12 | duggles | bertrik: sorry, what you said that the wireless was working lead me to believe it was a problem with eth0. |
| 12:37.33 | duggles | (assuming the wireless interface is wlan0) what does ifconfig wlan0 say? does it have an IP address and subnet mask which is correct for the newtwork you are on? the IP from that ping reqquest suggests that it is using a link-local address which means it hasn't connected to the network |
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| 12:37.54 | abrotman | hazard: which database servers? I choose PostgreSQL when I can |
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| 12:39.39 | bertrik | duggles: wlan does have a sensible ip address, in the range that my router is DHCP'ing. It's eth0 that gets the link-local address, which seems to prevent networking over wlan to succeed |
| 12:39.43 | hazard | abrotman: "WHich" is kind of my question. I'm building a monitoring and control system for an indoor garden, and I'm going to be tracking things like environmental conditions (temp/humidity/lux) and relay states. I'll probably use perl for the glue, because it's my "hammer" |
| 12:39.52 | bertrik | I've disabled eth0 now by modprobe -r |
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| 12:40.16 | hazard | abrotman: But I've been away from computers for about a decade, so I thought I'd stop in and ask people who were still up to date about it. |
| 12:40.32 | abrotman | hazard: Right, but did you mean like lightweight db? heavier? nosql ? |
| 12:40.43 | bertrik | to be honest, I have been seeing a lot of DHCP requests on eth0 in the logs for some time, but not worried about it |
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| 12:41.27 | abrotman | hazard: what do you intend to do with the data? would appending a CSV file work just as well? |
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| 12:41.36 | hazard | abrotman: I'm not very good with relative terms, but I think "lightweight" is probably appropriate. I'm using a handful of Arduinos to get the information, and a Raspberry Pi to aggregate it. |
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| 12:41.58 | lalaland1125 | hazard, Use SQLite if you only have one connection to the database at a time. Use PostgreSQL if you have many connections to the database at a time. |
| 12:42.19 | abrotman | And there is sleepycat of course |
| 12:42.35 | hazard | Has MySQL gone the way of the dodo? |
| 12:42.59 | hazard | I ask because when I left, that was *the* way to do things, for the most part. |
| 12:43.15 | abrotman | no, but really, if you're going that route, just use PostgreSQL, it's better in almost every way |
| 12:43.28 | abrotman | (and honestly has been) |
| 12:43.30 | hazard | Ok, I'll look into that one now. |
| 12:43.30 | gjs80 | Question: If I have an usb-stick and connect it to the computer to copy data from the computer to the stick. Is is possible to know afterward which data was copied? |
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| 12:44.25 | hazard | I'm kind of surprised that so many people recommend sqlite. I mean, I only glanced briefly at their site, but the list of names I saw hardly instilled feelings of transparency. |
| 12:44.49 | hazard | gjs80: perhaps through .bash_history? |
| 12:45.20 | gjs80 | hazard: How is that possible? |
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| 12:45.29 | lalaland1125 | hazard, SQLite is the best tool for a simple database. |
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| 12:45.46 | lalaland1125 | It's reliable, easy to use, and requires little outside setup. |
| 12:45.48 | duggles | bertrik: ahh, you could get network-manager to disable the interface (also make sure that in /etc/network/interfaces there isn't a stanza for eth0 where it tries to acquire an address with DHCP) |
| 12:45.54 | hazard | gjs80: "cat .bash_history" It keeps a list of "most" of your commands. |
| 12:46.06 | duggles | but as a temporary solution removing the module also works |
| 12:46.08 | lalaland1125 | Firefox and Android are two projects that come to mind that rely heavily on Sqlite. |
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| 12:46.30 | hazard | lalaland1125: I seem to recall noticing it in Skype as well. |
| 12:46.45 | abrotman | owned by MS! |
| 12:46.50 | hazard | lalaland1125: I'm just hypersensitive/hypercritical. I see "Adobe" and want to flee. |
| 12:47.25 | lalaland1125 | You don't need to worry, sqlite is fully open source/etc. |
| 12:47.31 | bertrik | duggles: thanks, I'll have a look and might drop off irc in the next few minutes :) |
| 12:47.46 | lalaland1125 | Your main question needs to be: Do I want to have multiple connections to the database at a time? |
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| 12:48.16 | edoardo | hi |
| 12:48.16 | lalaland1125 | Sqlite has poor support for large amounts of connections. (Relative to PostgreSQL). |
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| 12:48.32 | edoardo | i have debian jessie up and working, but i still can't install cinnamon |
| 12:48.33 | hazard | lalaland1125: I find it hard to imagine a situation where I could confidently say there would only be one connection at a time. |
| 12:48.40 | abrotman | edoardo: /msg dpkg tum |
| 12:48.53 | edoardo | do i really need to use tum? |
| 12:48.57 | abrotman | edoardo: this was pointed out to you yesterday |
| 12:48.58 | abrotman | yes .. |
| 12:49.00 | abrotman | we told you that .. |
| 12:49.16 | hazard | I think, if I knew that only one client would be connected at a time, I might just go with a flat file. |
| 12:49.46 | hazard | Ok, anyway, I've got enough info to at least start my research. I appreciate the input, all. Have a good day. |
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| 12:52.02 | codepython777 | https://github.com/rdicosmo/ami-thinner/blob/master/thinnit.sh - how does this remove packages automatically? |
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| 12:55.50 | Artej | hi |
| 12:56.15 | Artej | how to watch what causes aptitude to trigger flag B on package? |
| 12:56.28 | Artej | e.g. what breaks it |
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| 13:10.52 | tremon | Artej: try running aptitude -Ws install |
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| 13:11.42 | mms_ | hi I am using cisco anyconnect vpn solution where I start an agent and then ui and enter details get connected and here is the ifconfig http://pastebin.com/N2tgJ5Sm |
| 13:11.47 | mms_ | I want to setup network manager ui so that I can get the existing network manager ui to do same for me. currently I tried setting up but seems I am missing some thing as it fails. |
| 13:12.17 | Artej | package is iB now and it installed without errors by apt-get, are you sure it will show error? |
| 13:12.34 | tremon | no |
| 13:13.25 | equex | so, i just did an adduser and did an illegal character in the name/phone/other stuff and that exited adduser with an error code. but the account was already created when i tried to run it again..will it cause any trouble? |
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| 13:40.36 | esakish | equex, userdel, then adduser again |
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| 13:48.14 | abrotman | uhm, you can modify the user's info |
| 13:48.42 | zinx | but why do it the easy way when you can break your system |
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| 13:50.41 | SynrGy | if adduser only did half the job it was supposed to do, what steps did it miss? |
| 13:52.03 | SynrGy | oh, and how would deleting a freshly created user break your system? |
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| 14:01.56 | mTalek | how can I use my mobile phone as a modem through a bluetooth connection with my laptop? |
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| 14:03.21 | harryford | ciao |
| 14:03.31 | harryford | !list |
| 14:03.32 | dpkg | harryford: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 14:33.02 | codepython777 | how do i get redis 2.8 on debian instead of wheezy's 2.4? |
| 14:33.07 | codepython777 | k |
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| 14:33.47 | cippp | i build(for me) fine enlightenment packages on debianx32,steamosx64 but on siductionx64 fail very strange on install, any idea please? , http://ix.io/dmY |
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| 14:34.39 | mranonymous | What're free alternatives to skype? |
| 14:34.43 | codepython777 | is dotdeb safe to use/install from? |
| 14:35.25 | mranonymous | I'm searching something with encryption... |
| 14:35.45 | zykotick9 | !tell codepython777 about dotdeb |
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| 14:36.28 | codepython777 | k- how do i get a good version of redis on wheezy? 2.4 is ancient and not supported it seems |
| 14:38.34 | mms_ | alias does not seem to work for root |
| 14:39.01 | mms_ | my mistake |
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| 14:41.25 | skilz | Is Wayland included in jessie? |
| 14:41.43 | skilz | Someone please invite me to #debian-next |
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| 14:42.24 | foo | On php 5.4, I am getting this error: PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/suhosin.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/suhosin.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 - do I even need suhosin anymore? Hmph |
| 14:43.25 | edoardo | codepython777, there was a repo somewhere |
| 14:43.33 | edoardo | i can't remember the name, but i have it on my server |
| 14:43.53 | edoardo | !! |
| 14:43.53 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 14:43.55 | edoardo | Dotdeb |
| 14:44.08 | mtn | skilz: go to oftc.net to find debian-next |
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| 14:44.18 | edoardo | wtf? dpkg |
| 14:44.47 | edoardo | !! |
| 14:44.47 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 14:44.50 | edoardo | hehe |
| 14:45.48 | petn-randall | skilz: Wrong network, it's still irc.oftc.net where you will find #debian-next. |
| 14:47.08 | edoardo | why was gqrx-sdr removed from jessie?!? |
| 14:48.20 | codepython777 | edoardo: if there is a good repo for redis on debian that is up2date, please let me know |
| 14:48.30 | edoardo | Dotdeb |
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| 14:48.47 | edoardo | i use it for production on my server and it works very well |
| 14:49.07 | edoardo | it also has updated php and a bunch of other stuff |
| 14:50.53 | mranonymous | Ehh, skype works out of the box, ekiga not |
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| 14:51.34 | codepython777 | edoardo: http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives> |
| 14:52.31 | Megaf | Hi everyone, anyone experiencing gnome 3 stop responding and "freezing" the system with Debian 7 and nouveau? |
| 14:52.41 | Megaf | mouse still moves, but will not click |
| 14:52.47 | Megaf | neither the keyboard will work |
| 14:52.50 | Megaf | nor ctrl alt F1 |
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| 14:57.02 | mranonymous | Megaf: Hmm, closed-source drives works very well? |
| 14:57.17 | mranonymous | Megaf: Hmm, closed-source drives work very well? |
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| 14:58.36 | Megaf | mranonymous; no idea, we are quite against closed software |
| 14:58.46 | Megaf | that laptop is running 100% free software |
| 14:58.53 | Megaf | or as free as we can get with Debian |
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| 14:59.17 | cippp | mranonymous: for sid nvidia was broken few days ago |
| 14:59.24 | cippp | i dont know now |
| 14:59.33 | Megaf | we are even using an USB wifi NIC because the onboard one needs closed firmware |
| 14:59.47 | cippp | i used drivers from siduction to make work again |
| 15:00.31 | cippp | but that happen once in some long time |
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| 15:05.34 | basketball | Nik05, i found you |
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| 15:09.12 | skilz | If I want to install Wayland in place of xorg do I install "weston"? |
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| 15:09.56 | tremon | skilz: the packages don't conflict, you can install them side by side |
| 15:10.12 | tremon | but iirc weston doesn't have an init script, so is not started by default |
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| 15:22.04 | skilz | How do I get /dev/vdeo0? |
| 15:23.23 | cippp | skilz: i used gpasswd -a |
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| 15:32.02 | m_e | hm... could it be possible that you cant have an "-" in your path when using ln? |
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| 15:33.01 | m_e | when i do: ln -s /dir/to-my/path /some/other/dir it always links to /dir/to/path. wtf? |
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| 15:33.41 | l_r | what's the compiler version in the slatest table image? |
| 15:34.05 | m_e | no it must be some other strange issue. when i create a second link it works. but i cant get /some/other/dir to work |
| 15:34.08 | m_e | very strang |
| 15:34.22 | tremon | ,v gcc |
| 15:34.23 | judd | Package: gcc on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.0-4; sid: 4:4.9.0-4 |
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| 15:34.40 | tremon | l_r: gcc 4.7.2 |
| 15:34.41 | l_r | judd, is sid the latest? |
| 15:35.12 | l_r | when will jessie be released? |
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| 15:35.30 | Nik05 | in 2015 or later :P |
| 15:35.32 | tremon | m_e: it doesn't do that on my system: lrwxrwxrwx 1 me me 15 Jul 13 17:33 dir -> /dir/to-my/path |
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| 15:38.09 | m_e | tremon: it looks like i just cant set this link to some other path |
| 15:38.26 | m_e | whatever i set it to, it will link to the same destination i orignally created some hours ago |
| 15:39.14 | m_e | here is an example: http://pastebin.com/aNyb8fhx |
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| 15:39.24 | tremon | m_e: you mean that the link already exists? In that case ln -s does exactly nothing, it won't overwrite an existing link |
| 15:39.29 | m_e | is there some kind of cache? :D i have never seen something liket his |
| 15:39.35 | m_e | i tired to use -sf |
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| 15:41.54 | tremon | m_e: if /some/other/dir exists and is a directory, ln will create the symlink inside that directory |
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| 15:41.59 | cuqa | hello, my cursor is just a blinking | .. it used to be something else but not sure why it changed |
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| 15:42.10 | cuqa | does anyone know how I can get the default cursor back? |
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| 15:44.10 | jmcnaught | cuqa: do you mean in GNOME Terminal? Go to Edit > Profile preferences, on the general tab there's a "cursor shape" option |
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| 15:45.02 | mTalek | I want to connect my mobile phone via bluetooth to my laptop and use it as a modem for a dialup connection? are there any ways to get this done under debian? |
| 15:45.16 | m_e | tremon: oh man... i think my ftp program has a bug. "ls -ld" shows that the dir points to the right direction now. and id does work as well. thank you anyways! |
| 15:45.16 | cuqa | jmcnaught: thanks a lot |
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| 15:45.37 | usr3 | with ls, how do i get just one colmn? i need a single colmn list of files |
| 15:45.48 | tremon | usr3: ls -1 |
| 15:45.54 | usr3 | ty |
| 15:45.59 | tremon | (that's a one, not a letter L) |
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| 15:46.16 | cuqa | mTalek: question is if that can be done anywhere |
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| 15:46.54 | mTalek | cuqa: actually it works under windows 7 |
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| 15:47.12 | usr3 | okay, ls -l gave me 1 colmn, how do i remove the details and get just the filenames? |
| 15:47.35 | usr3 | ls -1 |
| 15:48.27 | usr3 | oh, wait. never mind. sorry |
| 15:50.22 | cuqa | i always thought bluetooth's max speed is too slow for that |
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| 15:50.55 | cuqa | but just saw bluetooth 3 can transfer with 25mbps :s |
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| 16:00.59 | skilz | How can I add a ppa? |
| 16:01.08 | skilz | Like sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:elementary-os/stable does not work |
| 16:01.41 | mranonymous | skilz: wait |
| 16:01.47 | mranonymous | skilz: apt-cache search ppa ;) |
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| 16:02.14 | mranonymous | skilz: I guess it's ubuntu-dev-tools |
| 16:02.37 | jmcnaught | skilz: probably not a good idea to add a PPA for ubuntu to debian |
| 16:03.07 | mranonymous | jmcnaught: yeah ;) |
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| 16:05.51 | jmcnaught | skilz: from what i understand the elementary-os software is being packaged for Debian by a Google summer of code student. I think the packages are in experimental, but they'll probably hit unstable/testing eventually and maybe even wheezy-backports. Trying to use the Ubuntu packages from a PPA sounds like a great way to have a bad time though |
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| 16:07.07 | skilz | How can I add it to my sources.list |
| 16:07.18 | jmcnaught | skilz: don't do it |
| 16:07.29 | skilz | not the ppa |
| 16:07.39 | skilz | Just the experimental packages |
| 16:07.42 | skilz | Im using jessie |
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| 16:08.19 | jmcnaught | skilz: well then you should be in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. Also see https://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2014/Projects/PackageElementarySoftware |
| 16:08.20 | sakang | s/jessie/experimental/g |
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| 16:08.34 | skilz | Thanks |
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| 16:23.08 | codepython777 | has anyone used preseed.cfg on 7.6? I get an error in the end when trying to use it |
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| 16:33.03 | foo | trying to get php-fpm working with apache. Currently getting internal server error with this message in error log: (2)No such file or directory: FastCGI: failed to connect to server "/fcgi-bin-php5-fpm": connect() failed FastCGI: incomplete headers (0 bytes) received from server "/fcgi-bin-php5-fpm" - down on production server. Investigating now, appreciate any help. I followed this, btw: http://www.queryadmin.com/506/apache2-php5-fpm-fastcgi-apc-debian-wheezy/ |
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| 16:35.25 | abrotman | foo: did you check the apache logs? |
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| 16:36.41 | foo | abrotman: that error is 2 lines from apache logs. Hm, I can see if there is anything in the apache when I start fpm, though /me checks |
| 16:37.01 | abrotman | foo: and why are you using FPM ? |
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| 16:37.14 | foo | abrotman: I was told it's better than mod_php |
| 16:37.23 | abrotman | foo: pastebin your sources.list |
| 16:37.24 | foo | abrotman: eg. more efficient/better performance |
| 16:37.47 | foo | abrotman: http://pastie.org/private/bzhryjxbvasakgcmcv3fbq |
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| 16:39.06 | punkgeek_ | see, i have script on my apache, how can i encoding with LUCK app |
| 16:39.13 | foo | abrotman: is there a way to strace a process that I start with /etc/init.d/php5-fpm start ? I'm thinking that's my only other option since I can't find anything in any logs anywhere |
| 16:39.17 | abrotman | foo: Personally, I'll settle for working, stable .. over "fast" |
| 16:39.33 | foo | abrotman: uh, is php5-fpm not stable/fast? |
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| 16:39.53 | abrotman | You tell me .. |
| 16:40.05 | foo | abrotman: Well, I mean, is php5-fpm not considered stable? |
| 16:40.14 | foo | abrotman: I could do apt-get remove --purge apache2-mpm-worker libapache2-mod-fastcgi php5-fpm php-apc |
| 16:40.17 | foo | abrotman: and probably be fine. hmm |
| 16:40.19 | abrotman | I can't answer that, I'm not a PHP.net developer |
| 16:40.26 | foo | abrotman: ah, fair enough :) |
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| 16:40.44 | punkgeek | no body help me? |
| 16:40.50 | codepython777 | does anyone know hat this command does in preseed.cfg: d-i preseed/late_command string cp /cdrom/late_command.sh /target/tmp/late_command.sh && in-target chmod +x /tmp/late_command.sh && in-target /tmp/late_command.sh ? |
| 16:41.10 | jmcnaught | foo: as a side note, i recommend setting up some test and staging servers so you can figure this stuff out before touching your production servers :) |
| 16:41.25 | jmcnaught | punkgeek: i could not understand your question, maybe some more details would help |
| 16:41.28 | abrotman | foo: it seems like your error would be common and probably answered by google .. |
| 16:41.32 | foo | jmcnaught: agreed, in a perfect world. Definitely learning hard way under fire |
| 16:41.38 | foo | abrotman: tried, not finding much |
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| 16:41.46 | abrotman | foo: what is the URL you're trying to get to on your own system ? |
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| 16:42.45 | foo | abrotman: every domain is throwing a 500, but if you want a specific one, try zfoo.net |
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| 16:43.00 | foo | abrotman: btw, I saw http://serverfault.com/questions/524708/php5-fpm-apache2-on-debian-wheezy-connect-failed-with-fastcgi but I don't seem to have that issue |
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| 16:43.53 | jmcnaught | foo: then in the mean time I would consider using the easier solution (which is probably mod_php) for now, then figure out how to get php5-fpm and apc working together on a test system |
| 16:45.27 | tremon | codepython777: it copies a file from the installation media to the target system and runs it, after installing the base system and before rebooting |
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| 16:46.49 | tremon | but it assumes two things: 1) the installation medium is a local cdrom drive and 2) that file exists |
| 16:47.20 | codepython777 | tremon: thanks. commented out. and it works now |
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| 16:48.08 | foo | jmcnaught: oh man, I tried to revert with apt-get remove --purge ... now I'm getting a segfault with apache and mod_php. /me shakes head :) |
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| 16:54.56 | sandman13 | I think I have found an issue while upgrading VLC from Stable to the version in Backports |
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| 16:59.30 | jmcnaught | foo: well there should be info in the logs. But really I can't emphasize enough the process of get it working on a test system first then replicate the setup on production. In fact I highly recommend using some kind of configuration management/deployment software like Puppet, Chef, Salt or Ansible (which is what I use) |
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| 16:59.50 | abrotman | sandman13: are you going to share? |
| 17:00.05 | abrotman | jmcnaught: what .. no cfengine? |
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| 17:00.34 | sandman13 | abrotman: wait for a moment then |
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| 17:00.57 | jmcnaught | abrotman: i tried cfengine, but i don't think i'm smart enough for it :) |
| 17:01.02 | abrotman | it's been over five minutes ... |
| 17:01.26 | viccuad | Does anyone have gnome-shell hang out if using scp (copy files over ssh)? It doesn't matter the terminal used, gnome-terminal, guake, ctrl+alt+1 terminal.. |
| 17:01.35 | abrotman | hang out? |
| 17:01.59 | abrotman | viccuad: wait, you're saying gnome-shell locks if you use scp in gnome-terminal ? |
| 17:02.07 | foo | jmcnaught: yeah, actually, I think I can duplicate my system and test this in dev. I really should be doing this to reduce stress. I have it working, looks like some config options jack up php5-fpm... so I'm good now. thank you |
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| 17:02.25 | viccuad | yeah, like, don't respond at all. But if you restart it (sudo killall -s SIGHUP gnome-shell) it restarts, sometimes it de-blocks, sometimes not |
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| 17:02.40 | abrotman | viccuad: nope, works fine here |
| 17:02.42 | viccuad | abrotman: as said |
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| 17:02.55 | jmcnaught | foo: well if production is working for now, stop touching it until you have everything figured out on a test system :) |
| 17:03.05 | foo | jmcnaught: haha, fair enough. :) |
| 17:03.09 | viccuad | mmm, have you tried with big files? like 1 big 700bmbs file? |
| 17:04.00 | abrotman | viccuad: Uhm, I oculd .. |
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| 17:04.36 | viccuad | And I have to say the CPU is not at 100%, the computer responds to whatever at other terminals, its just gnome-shell |
| 17:04.54 | abrotman | viccuad: nope, seems fine, in progress now |
| 17:05.08 | viccuad | abrotman: let it be 2 min |
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| 17:05.14 | viccuad | or 1 |
| 17:05.21 | abrotman | okay, i'tll be done in five .. |
| 17:05.29 | abrotman | yay internets ... |
| 17:05.36 | viccuad | seems good enough |
| 17:05.38 | abrotman | goes to make a sandwich |
| 17:06.17 | viccuad | try to go to the gnome-shell overlay meanwhile, and so, or scroll a browser or nautilus |
| 17:06.30 | viccuad | gnome-shell 3.8 here |
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| 17:07.48 | sandman13 | abrotman: basically this is what I was doing: http://paste.debian.net/109506/ |
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| 17:10.40 | foo | Now to figure out this :) 13:09:51 up 4 min, 21 users, load average: 16.13, 7.39, 2.81 - looks like a processor bottleneck. |
| 17:10.44 | abrotman | viccuad: yes,testing .. |
| 17:10.56 | abrotman | foo: in top, what's taking all the % ? |
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| 17:11.31 | duggles | foo, load isn't just CPU based. have a look at the iotop program to see if there are processes eating IO |
| 17:11.43 | abrotman | sandman13: try aptitude |
| 17:12.04 | duggles | also look at ps for processess in uninteruptible sleep (state D), as they artificially contribute 1.0 to the load |
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| 17:12.20 | foo | duggles: I was saying % based off top |
| 17:12.24 | foo | abrotman: http://screencast.com/t/HeOlJiCpQ - looks like mysql |
| 17:13.07 | foo | duggles: I mean, proc bottleneck based off top cpu usage. Hmm, looking into iotop now |
| 17:13.31 | duggles | ah sry, i misunderstood |
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| 17:13.47 | abrotman | foo: I wasn't suggesting using top to find the highest CPU using process .. that doesn't always mean much |
| 17:13.57 | abrotman | foo: see 60% in wa% ? |
| 17:14.20 | sandman13 | abrotman: I have tried that but almost same result, here is the output: http://paste.debian.net/109507/ |
| 17:14.45 | abrotman | viccuad: full ISO transferred .. no issue |
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| 17:14.49 | foo | abrotman: hmm, you're right |
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| 17:15.15 | abrotman | sandman13: pastebin your sources.list and 'apt-cache policy' |
| 17:15.33 | sandman13 | abrotman: okay please wait |
| 17:18.16 | sandman13 | abrotman: here, both of them: http://paste.debian.net/109510/ |
| 17:18.36 | viccuad | My gnome-shell session died, when I ctrl+c scp |
| 17:19.31 | viccuad | and now I have a gdm process taking 100% cpu, weird |
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| 17:21.30 | sandman13 | viccuad: are there any important tasks going on? |
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| 17:22.53 | abrotman | sandman13: you can say 'N' with aptitude and try the next solution |
| 17:23.54 | blar1 | so this is an odd question that i'm not sure how to ask properly; i've just imported my .bashrc from one of my other linux boxes into a fresh debian install that i'm in the process of setting up. i'm assuming my PS1 setting is incorrect, but i haven't changed it from the other box. every command i execute in bash prints one final line with a semi-colon and my path, before printing the prompt |
| 17:24.07 | blar1 | anyone familiar with PS1 setups who can offer debugging advice? |
| 17:24.10 | sandman13 | abrotman: I have tried that, let me send you the output |
| 17:24.27 | abrotman | blar1: what's your PS1? |
| 17:24.31 | blar1 | sec |
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| 17:24.36 | abrotman | blar1: also note, there is a #bash |
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| 17:25.05 | blar1 | PS1="\[\e]0;\w\a\]\n\[\e[32m\]\u@\h \[\e[33m\]\w\[\e[0m\]\n\$ " |
| 17:25.31 | blar1 | oh; #bash is prolly the better starting point |
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| 17:26.26 | abrotman | blar1: seems fine here .. I get a green user@host with relative to my $HOME, and the $ on the next line |
| 17:26.54 | abrotman | blar1: though I am getting an extra new line after my commands ? |
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| 17:27.07 | abrotman | oh, that's part of it |
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| 17:28.20 | sandman13 | abrotman: here: http://paste.debian.net/109511/ |
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| 17:29.08 | abrotman | sandman13: what is the output of `aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade' ? |
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| 17:31.45 | blar1 | abrotman: the newline is desired; but in my new deb box, it has the semi-colon and current path |
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| 17:32.08 | abrotman | blar1: I don't have that .. which version of bash? |
| 17:32.14 | blar1 | hm; sec |
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| 17:32.54 | blar1 | abrotman: 4.2.37(1)-release |
| 17:33.13 | blar1 | i'm wondering if there's a conflict from another config file... but i don't see an .inputrc |
| 17:33.21 | abrotman | judd: versions bash3 |
| 17:33.23 | judd | No package named 'bash3' was found in i386. |
| 17:33.23 | abrotman | judd: versions bash |
| 17:33.24 | judd | Package: bash on i386 -- squeeze: 4.1-3; wheezy: 4.2+dfsg-0.1; jessie: 4.3-7; sid: 4.3-7 |
| 17:33.44 | abrotman | blar1: I'm on Jessie, not showing the semicolon .. wait, I have a wheezy box |
| 17:34.04 | abrotman | blar1: still no issue on this wheezy box |
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| 17:34.34 | blar1 | i'm guessing i just have a conflict in another config; checking .profile now |
| 17:35.13 | Quantum` | Anyone know how it works when in KDE you edit a menu entry and check "Run as a different user"? |
| 17:35.39 | Quantum` | When I run it then and check Remember, KDE Wallet never noticeds. |
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| 17:36.02 | abrotman | wouldn't imagine kde wallet would run as another user? |
| 17:36.31 | Quantum` | Well, I invoke the app as my usual user. |
| 17:36.58 | Quantum` | (from the menu) |
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| 17:37.30 | Quantum` | When you check Run as a different user, without specifying one, it runs as root. |
| 17:38.04 | Quantum` | I think it uses ksudo, but I can't prove that. |
| 17:39.17 | sandman13 | abrotman: here this is the output: http://paste.debian.net/109513/ |
| 17:40.10 | Quantum` | Well I don't even have kdesudo installed, so that can't be it. |
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| 17:42.50 | abrotman | sandman13: start there, try again, otherwise ask #debian-backports on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:43.34 | sandman13 | abrotman: okay |
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| 17:55.47 | x00e | Hello. I`m having a bit of an issue with vsftpd not allowing anonymous logins anymore. (refusing to run with writable root inside chroot() error.) Any advice on how I could get it fixed? |
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| 17:58.27 | Lindrian | Hello |
| 17:58.57 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: hey! |
| 17:59.21 | Lindrian | I added debian-backport and got the 3.14 kernel, but now I am unable to use lm-sensors. I get the following error: http://hastebin.com/xedolodopo.rb |
| 17:59.54 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: could you start using http://paste.debian.net instead please? hastebin makes me enable javascript for google domains, which i don't like to do :) |
| 18:00.00 | Lindrian | Sure. |
| 18:00.38 | Shadow_7 | if the update didn't remove the previous kernel, you should be able to boot using that one. |
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| 18:00.56 | Lindrian | So, my problem now is: bash: /usr/bin/sensors: No such file or directory |
| 18:01.00 | Lindrian | When I run 'sensors' |
| 18:01.05 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: what do you get for "which sensors-detect" ? |
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| 18:01.18 | Lindrian | Nothing |
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| 18:01.30 | Lindrian | Nothing for just sensors either |
| 18:02.05 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: so one thing i'm not sure about is whether the stuff you compiled from source overwrote conf files in /etc or not |
| 18:02.14 | Lindrian | It says it does not |
| 18:02.25 | Lindrian | But how would I validate that? |
| 18:03.03 | Shadow_7 | package lm-sensors has the /usr/bin/sensors program |
| 18:03.08 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: well if any of the /etc/sensors3.conf or anything in /etc/sensors.d references /usr/local that would be a clue |
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| 18:03.19 | jmcnaught | !ssb |
| 18:03.20 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 18:03.42 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: ^^^^ these are the "backport it yourself" instructions I was talking about in ##linux |
| 18:04.03 | Lindrian | you lost me at 1) |
| 18:04.03 | Lindrian | lol |
| 18:04.38 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: you can also ask dpkg for more details about anything in <angles>... for example "/msg dpkg deb-src sid" |
| 18:04.42 | Lindrian | there is no sensors* in /etc/ |
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| 18:05.26 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: it sounds like you've already added wheezy-backports, so you need to add the deb-src line for unstable (definitely *not* deb though) |
| 18:05.47 | Lindrian | Okay. What more exactly is it I need to add? |
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| 18:06.41 | jmcnaught | something like "deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ sid main" in sources.list, then apt-get update |
| 18:06.53 | mrdeb | hey |
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| 18:07.05 | mrdeb | is iceweasel 24 as safe as firefox 30 |
| 18:07.09 | Lindrian | jmcnaught: alright, met me add that (minus one set of http:// i guess?) |
| 18:07.33 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: just use that line exactly... the second http is a subdomain :) |
| 18:07.44 | Lindrian | done |
| 18:08.04 | Lindrian | Just finished running update. |
| 18:08.38 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: now do step 3 and 4 from the factoid above |
| 18:08.57 | mrdeb | was catfish fixes now |
| 18:09.00 | mrdeb | or no |
| 18:09.24 | Lindrian | jmcnaught: i change 'packagename' to 'lm-sensors'? |
| 18:09.52 | somiaj | mrdeb: the iceweasel provided by debian is safe. It is the ers (or long term support version) that gets securty fixes from mozilla. |
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| 18:09.56 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: yeah.. so "apt-get build-dep lm-sensors" will make sure you have everything needed to compile lm-sensors source package |
| 18:10.21 | Lindrian | Alright. It's working |
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| 18:10.43 | somiaj | mrdeb: and if you want a newer version, mozilla.debian.net provides backports for the current release |
| 18:10.55 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: "apt-get -b source lm-sensors" will download and compile the lm-sensors source package, you'll end up with a .deb file (or several) that can be installed with "dpkg -i" |
| 18:11.17 | mrdeb | yes somiaj , i dont like the new firefox 30 trying to be an operating system by itself like chromium |
| 18:11.24 | mrdeb | they need to stop it and just be browser |
| 18:11.26 | Lindrian | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/109521/ |
| 18:11.29 | Lindrian | thats the result |
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| 18:11.41 | Lindrian | I ran: aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep lm-sensors; apt-get -b source lm-sensors; |
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| 18:12.08 | jmcnaught | ,checkbackport lm-sensors |
| 18:12.26 | Lindrian | with the ','? |
| 18:12.31 | judd | Backporting package lm-sensors in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, wheezy, virtual. |
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| 18:12.46 | Lindrian | oh, that was not for me. |
| 18:13.16 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: according to judd (another bot) it shold work. |
| 18:13.36 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: if you run "apt-get build-dep lm-sensors" on its own, what do you get? |
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| 18:13.56 | mrdeb | hey is it easy to install debian on chromebook |
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| 18:14.04 | mrdeb | intel one |
| 18:14.05 | Lindrian | its doing stuff now jmcnaught |
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| 18:14.26 | x00e | Hello. I`m having a bit of an issue with vsftpd not allowing anonymous logins anymore. (refusing to run with writable root inside chroot() error.) Any advice on how I could get it fixed? |
| 18:14.32 | Lindrian | seems to have gone just fine jmcnaught |
| 18:14.46 | LOSST | jmcnaught: Heh, didn't realize you were already walking Lindrian through this. |
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| 18:15.13 | jmcnaught | LOSST: we just started the backporting a few minutes ago in here :) |
| 18:15.17 | Lindrian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:15.59 | LOSST | Lindrian: NP, jmcnaught knows more about this than I do. |
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| 18:16.32 | LOSST | Lindrian: I know you've been trying to fix this since at least yesterday. I'm emotionally invested now :) |
| 18:16.33 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: so at the end you should get some .deb files, which hopefully work better for you. Also, in case you have problem with missing config files in /etc, you can ask dpkg about confmiss (/msg dpkg confmiss) |
| 18:16.47 | Lindrian | LOSST: hah <3 |
| 18:17.02 | Lindrian | jmcnaught: where will thee .deb files be? |
| 18:17.10 | Lindrian | oh damn |
| 18:17.13 | Lindrian | im the folder i was in |
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| 18:17.17 | Lindrian | which just happens to be / haha |
| 18:17.33 | Lindrian | thats unfortunate |
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| 18:17.43 | Lindrian | Which do I install jmcnaught? Everything ending in .deb? |
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| 18:18.08 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: hmmm... sorry i should have mentioned that you don't need to be root to do the "apt-get -b source lm-sensors" step |
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| 18:18.45 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: install the ones you want.. if it gives you a dependency error about needing another one of those .deb files, then install that one first |
| 18:19.30 | Lindrian | dpkg -i .deb right? |
| 18:19.31 | dpkg | installs .deb right into lindrian's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
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| 18:19.42 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: don't mind the bot :) |
| 18:19.42 | Lindrian | heheh |
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| 18:20.03 | Lindrian | should i install -dev? |
| 18:20.06 | Lindrian | or the other one? |
| 18:20.40 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: i don't know which .deb files you ended up getting, but -dev packages are usually only necessary to compile other stuff that depends on that package |
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| 18:21.15 | Lindrian | http://paste.debian.net/109524/ |
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| 18:21.34 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: when I backport stuff this way (which is not very often mind you...) I usually do the "apt-get -b source $foo" step as a regular user, in ~/src/debian/foo or something |
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| 18:22.03 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: was there also an "lm-sensors....deb" package? |
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| 18:22.41 | Lindrian | oh right |
| 18:22.49 | Lindrian | http://paste.debian.net/109526/ |
| 18:23.18 | Lindrian | do I apt-get http://paste.debian.net/109526/? |
| 18:23.19 | Lindrian | errr |
| 18:23.26 | Lindrian | apt-get install init-system-helpers |
| 18:23.27 | helena | Hello |
| 18:23.51 | helena | How do I change the order of 2 soundcards? I have 2 soundcards and want to set one of them as the default soundcard. |
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| 18:24.13 | blar1 | anyone familiar with running debian VMs in virtual box? i'm connecting to the VMs terminal and colors are all wonky in vim; i've tried setting $TERM="term-256color" and "screen-256color" in my .bashrc; "term-256color" was unrecognized by vim; screen didn't fix the issue |
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| 18:25.42 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: keep in mind that packages you backport yourself this way generally don't get updated automatically, at least until there's a higher version of that package in the repos than what you compiled |
| 18:25.45 | LOSST | Lindrian: apt-cache show init-system-helpers make sure the proper version is available |
| 18:26.03 | Lindrian | it wants 1.18 and there is 1.18 |
| 18:26.12 | LOSST | 5x5 |
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| 18:26.58 | jmcnaught | LOSST: apt-cache policy is usually more helpful for version info than apt-cache show :) |
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| 18:27.40 | Lindrian | how do I fix these: |
| 18:27.42 | Lindrian | insserv: warning: script 'K01lm_sensors' missing LSB tags and overrides |
| 18:27.42 | LOSST | jmcnaught: Thanks. Old habits. |
| 18:27.42 | Lindrian | insserv: warning: script 'lm_sensors' missing LSB tags and overrides |
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| 18:28.37 | Lindrian | http://paste.debian.net/109527/ |
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| 18:29.04 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: looks like this is the legacy of "make install" from source... |
| 18:29.29 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: "which sensors-detect" what does it show? |
| 18:29.30 | Lindrian | oh :( |
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| 18:31.00 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: i suspect that "make uninstall" did not completely remove itself from your system. What happens if you run /usr/sbin/sensors-detect (typing the full path)? |
| 18:31.13 | Lindrian | it works |
| 18:31.19 | Lindrian | the script is launched |
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| 18:34.45 | dvs | !tell zleslie about firmware iso |
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| 18:35.56 | mo1991 | helena are you using pulse audio ? if so you can set default card, etc. by installing and running pavucontrol |
| 18:35.57 | zleslie | dvs: I tried that about an hour ago and it also didn't work for me for another reason. Even though the USB was booted with the installer, it kept looking for a CDROM. I grabbed the jessie firmware iso |
| 18:35.58 | LOSST | Lindrian: make uninstall worked for me... try updatedb and run sensors-detect again |
| 18:36.05 | helena | mo1991: alsamixer |
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| 18:36.23 | helena | er.. |
| 18:36.26 | helena | alsa audio |
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| 18:36.36 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: sweet progress! I've got to get going soon, but it looks like you've got a handle on things here. My advice for the future is to be extremely hesitant using "make install" type procedures when Debian packages are available. Some dpkg factoids you could message the bot about: "confmiss" (for how to tell apt/dpkg to replace missing conf files), "stow" (for info about GNU stow for keeping track of stuff manually installed to /usr/local), an |
| 18:36.43 | mo1991 | helena, so you do not have pulse installed? It is normally installed by default in debian stable. Pulse runs on top of alsa |
| 18:36.45 | helena | cat /proc/asound/modules |
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| 18:36.50 | helena | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.01 | helena | How the hell do I rearrange these?! They both use the same module! |
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| 18:37.20 | helena | mo1991: Nope not in my case. I only use base installs. |
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| 18:37.30 | mo1991 | I get that. My point is its easier to change the order using the pulse volume control than alsa. You can change on the fly, etc, and set defaults with easy gui interface |
| 18:37.42 | dvs | helena: lspci -nn | grep -i audio |
| 18:37.45 | helena | mo1991: I want to do it from the cli |
| 18:37.59 | mo1991 | alsaconfig - i think |
| 18:38.41 | helena | dvs: http://pastebin.com/ckBnxE4c |
| 18:38.45 | mo1991 | should let you change default card |
| 18:38.50 | Lindrian | Ok LOSST. |
| 18:38.56 | Lindrian | Running that command as we speak. |
| 18:39.15 | mo1991 | helena run alsaconfig as root |
| 18:39.21 | dvs | helena: which one do you want first? |
| 18:39.27 | Lindrian | jmcnaught: You have been of great service. My gratitude. |
| 18:39.35 | helena | mo1991: NO such thing as alsaconfig. |
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| 18:39.47 | helena | dvs: The one that's not HDMI. |
| 18:39.47 | jmcnaught | Lindrian: my pleasure :) |
| 18:40.12 | LOSST | jmcnaught: Enlightening for me as well |
| 18:40.16 | Lindrian | wooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 18:40.21 | Lindrian | I GET VOLTAGE READINGS |
| 18:40.27 | Lindrian | THIS IS FANTASTIC |
| 18:40.36 | LOSST | hahaha |
| 18:40.39 | Lindrian | I AM EUPHORIC |
| 18:41.10 | Lindrian | Wow this is great. Thanks so much. |
| 18:41.11 | jmcnaught | Lindrian, LOSST: also I recommend getting help for Debian here in #debian before ##linux. Glad it's finally working! |
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| 18:42.25 | LOSST | Lindrian: Now, you may want to reboot and make sure it's persistent |
| 18:42.49 | dvs | helena: Make this file: http://paste.debian.net/109528/ |
| 18:42.54 | Lindrian | I wonder which 'inX' is the vcore etc. |
| 18:43.09 | dvs | helena: if it's wrong change the index numbers around. |
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| 18:43.28 | Lindrian | I set my vcore in bios to 0.95 and thats whats in10 is reporting, but there are many similar values. |
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| 18:44.44 | LOSST | Lindrian: Have you read the lm-sensors wiki about getting accurate voltage readings? |
| 18:44.50 | Lindrian | I have not. |
| 18:45.22 | Lindrian | My Haswell i3 had a default vcore of close to 1.2v. I have undervolted it to 0.95v (which seems to be stable) and reduced temperatures by about 20C. |
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| 18:45.38 | mo1991 | sorry helena, I used to know an alsa command that would let you choose the default card really easily, but I can't remember what it was. There are other ways as well on the debian wiki |
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| 18:46.44 | LOSST | Lindrian: If I remember correctly(and that's always questionable), I think lm-sensors will give incorrect voltage readings on some setups, and there's instuctions on how to configure it to read properly |
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| 18:47.17 | mo1991 | helena, I think the alsaconf or alsaconfig command, can't remember what was correct, may no longer be part of alsa. |
| 18:47.18 | LOSST | Lindrian: Do you get fan readings? |
| 18:47.22 | Lindrian | Yep |
| 18:47.27 | LOSST | Awesome |
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| 18:47.43 | Lindrian | I wonder what auxtin3 is. |
| 18:47.48 | Lindrian | and 1 and 2. |
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| 18:48.23 | LOSST | Lindrian: The wiki should have that info. |
| 18:48.28 | Lindrian | LOSST: anyway, all the readings from bios are available now. I wonder if I can change the labels to the correct ones? |
| 18:48.38 | Lindrian | Because then I could just look at bios and type them in correctly. |
| 18:49.05 | LOSST | I think the wiki had something about doing just that |
| 18:49.30 | LOSST | I remember something about adjusting your values based on BIOS output |
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| 18:49.37 | Lindrian | oh |
| 18:49.49 | Lindrian | I should look into that |
| 18:50.36 | LOSST | Lindrian: I think I'll try to upgrade mine and see if I can get voltage readings. I had kinda given up on lm-sensors. |
| 18:50.46 | Lindrian | heh |
| 18:51.11 | LOSST | Doesn't seem to work so well on laptops |
| 18:51.21 | Lindrian | I can imagine there are less sensors there. |
| 18:51.34 | Lindrian | Decent motherboards have way more sensors, especially desktop ones. |
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| 18:52.48 | helena | Okay I am back! |
| 18:53.14 | helena | The sound quality through the laptop speakers is terrible quality. It was crisp when I was on Arch Linux! How do I go about fixing this? |
| 18:53.41 | helena | It is crisp through the headphones however. |
| 18:54.34 | LOSST | Lindrian: I think it has to do with the way sensors are read through acpi on laptops instead of i2c, or whatever it is |
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| 18:56.03 | Lindrian | Maybe |
| 18:56.03 | LOSST | Lindrian: I'm on LMDE instead of straight debian, so I need to see if I can follow the same backport route you did. I usually just make if I really need something new. |
| 18:56.15 | Lindrian | Ah right |
| 18:56.22 | Lindrian | Anyway, thanks for the help. Very much appreciated. |
| 18:56.49 | LOSST | No problem, I'm happy you got it working. |
| 18:57.23 | LOSST | See, you don't need CPU-Z :) |
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| 19:02.42 | aramus | hi there I am trying to nfs boot my clients and I keep getting a kernel panic and error message cant open /run/net-eth1.conf, the clients are running debian wheezy with kernel 3.12 bpo i386. They were working fine using the 64bit OS and kernel but now they are all getting the error message |
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| 19:04.31 | Lindrian | LOSST: It just makes it very much easier... ;9 |
| 19:04.33 | Lindrian | ;)* |
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| 19:04.48 | Lindrian | It's quite a bit less work, and clearer results -- but windows. |
| 19:05.02 | Lindrian | So it's like +2 for easy-ness and -99 for windows. |
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| 19:09.05 | LOSST | Lindrian: Yeah, it'd be nice to have a similar tool, but you see how hard it is to get working readings on just one system, let alone all systems. |
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| 19:10.54 | LOSST | Lindrian: i-Nex looks promising |
| 19:11.17 | Lindrian | LOSST: True, but how does CPU-Z do it? Must be a tremendous amount of work then. |
| 19:11.40 | Lindrian | LOSST: Looks pretty good. |
| 19:11.46 | Lindrian | I wonder if there is anything like that for the terminal. |
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| 19:15.38 | oliv3r | Hi, i'm trying to do a debootstrap (on arm for arm) but a few things don't seem to work out. for example after the unpacking, debootstrap wants to do chroot /mnt mount proc /proc, which fails because it can't find mount. Mount exists happily in /bin and prefixing it with /bin works, but why does the debootstrap script not invoke the PATH inside the chroot? |
| 19:16.27 | oliv3r | additionally, doing a --foreign and then tryting to finish the second stage fails for the same reasons, doing debootstrap --second-stage from within the chroot fails with things like not being able to find cat, which again is a PATH issue |
| 19:16.39 | oliv3r | what am I missing to get the path working right? |
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| 19:20.25 | tremon | oliv3r: usually, -ENOENT when running an executable can mean one of two things: the executable can't be found in $PATH, or the executable requires an interpreter that can't be found |
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| 19:21.23 | LOSST | Lindrian: There's enough utilities that a nice CLI app could be scripted, but nothing exists that I know of. |
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| 19:21.48 | tremon | oliv3r: in this case, I would run readelf -l /mnt/bin/cat and verify the [Requesting program interpreter: ] line. |
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| 19:22.37 | LOSST | Lindrian: Just adding realtime sensors monitoring to inxi would be a good start. |
| 19:22.43 | tremon | That should refer to a valid glibc elf loader in the chroot |
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| 19:26.18 | oliv3r | tremon: i'm finding a few sites where it is stated that debootstrap wrongly relies on a proper PATH being set |
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| 19:26.26 | oliv3r | e.g. it uses the PATH from the host, within the chroot |
| 19:26.41 | oliv3r | prefixing debootstrap with a PATH=/bin etc should be enough |
| 19:26.54 | oliv3r | imo a bug in debootstrap, don't assume anything from the host |
| 19:27.09 | oliv3r | (/bin is slowly going away as distro's swap to /usr/bin or a merged /usr/ / |
| 19:27.12 | LOSST | Lindrian: Have you looked at conky? |
| 19:28.15 | Epakai | why are my dpi settings inconsistent between laptops? does nouveau set dpi right while intel driver still uses the made up 96 dpi? |
| 19:28.16 | tremon | oliv3r: ok, then go with that. I assumed that a default path should always include /bin, but apparently not |
| 19:29.27 | oliv3r | tremon: #718632 |
| 19:29.50 | oliv3r | tremon: yeah but I wouldn't assume anything from the host, not the path not the env, nothing really |
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| 19:32.38 | oliv3r | tremon: prefixing a PATH fixes it all though ;) |
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| 19:37.30 | Lindrian | LOSST: I have not. |
| 19:37.44 | Lindrian | LOSST: I am planning on writing my own script to parse the output of lm-sensors and present is better. |
| 19:38.06 | Lindrian | Maybe a tiny perl script, should be fairly easy with quick access to nifty regex. |
| 19:39.19 | LOSST | Lindrian: conky is highly customizeable utility for displaying essentially any system information, on CLI or in X. Not exactly intuitive to use though. |
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| 19:39.55 | Lindrian | Ah. |
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| 19:42.52 | MadHatter42 | i used to use it in my login rc and would work just fine |
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| 19:46.04 | kryl | hi, do you know a tool to check my wifi "connections" and to kill undesirable hosts ? |
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| 19:50.03 | URULLIKA | hola |
| 19:50.09 | URULLIKA | amigos |
| 19:50.33 | URULLIKA | donde puedo encontrar informasion apra poder instalar una tarjeta de red usb encore |
| 19:50.56 | URULLIKA | wifi |
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| 19:53.33 | MadHatter42 | URULLIKA fuxing google |
| 19:53.56 | zro | if i want vim 7.4 is it better to just compile my self or add testing repo ? |
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| 19:54.46 | MadHatter42 | i would go for the compile |
| 19:54.46 | babilen | zro: Do *not* mix stable with testing. You can probably backport it from sid though. |
| 19:54.57 | babilen | judd: checkbackport vim |
| 19:55.08 | judd | Backporting package vim in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy, virtual. |
| 19:55.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell zro -about ssb |
| 19:55.22 | zro | thanks |
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| 19:56.02 | babilen | zro: This will have an effect on plugins and other vim integration, but it is definitely the better approach than mixing in testing directly. (I'd just track pure testing rather than a mixe) |
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| 20:02.37 | zro | ok, so its not in backports, right? so i gotta add "deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" to sources.lst, update, install build deps ... then apt-get -b sid vim-gtk ? |
| 20:02.54 | babilen | zro: Yes, that is the idea |
| 20:02.57 | zro | judd: checkbackport vim-gtk |
| 20:02.59 | judd | Backporting package vim-gtk in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy, virtual. |
| 20:03.13 | babilen | It's the same source package (it just builds various binary packages) |
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| 20:04.25 | zro | ok hopefully i dont fuck this up |
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| 20:05.25 | silicone | Hello. I am having difficulty connecting to wifi in a public network using wicd. The networks show up, but when I select one it just tries for a long time and then fails.... Wifi can work, as it does at home.... any thoughts ^ |
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| 20:06.34 | babilen | silicone: wicd is a, to put it mildly, slightly suboptimal and I would recommend to try network-manager |
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| 20:07.28 | silicone | babilien: Okay, thanks for the advice! |
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| 20:08.08 | babilen | silicone: Also try nick tab completion in your IRC client. "bab<TAB>" |
| 20:09.01 | silicone | babilen: Good - I often have troubel with nicks... |
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| 20:09.08 | silicone | *trouble |
| 20:12.47 | zro | in "apt-get -b source packagename" is "source" literally "source" ? or am I suuposed to "apt-get -b sid packagename" ? |
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| 20:15.14 | marc_smith | hello all. Does anybody knows if Debian can be installed on those Windows 8 X86 tablets? logically it should, but I don't know if there are any locks in place |
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| 20:18.13 | slinnky | marc_smith, are you talking about the surface tablets? |
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| 20:18.36 | marc_smith | hmm, not really. Not the ones from Microsoft |
| 20:18.46 | marc_smith | but those equipped with Intel Atom CPUI |
| 20:18.47 | marc_smith | CPU |
| 20:18.58 | silicone | babilen: now, to install network-manager, I should first apt-get purge wicd? Or autoremove? Or just remove? |
| 20:19.11 | babilen | silicone: You probably want to purge it. |
| 20:19.26 | silicone | babilen: Okay. |
| 20:19.34 | slinnky | marc_smith, I've seen linux on a surface pro.... Not sure about the other ones |
| 20:19.49 | abrotman | marc_smith: google would be a better reference, "linux Surface tablet" |
| 20:19.59 | slinnky | abrotman, he's not asking about the surface tabs |
| 20:20.28 | marc_smith | I've actually searched the internets ... not many results. Also, it is not actually a Surface tablet |
| 20:20.40 | abrotman | Someone else made a Windows8 tablet? really? |
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| 20:20.47 | marc_smith | people don't even talk about installing Linux on a X86 tablet, which is strange |
| 20:20.57 | marc_smith | yes |
| 20:20.57 | abrotman | marc_smith: I would suspect it largely depends on the model |
| 20:21.01 | marc_smith | Asus, ModeCom |
| 20:21.07 | marc_smith | Lenovo |
| 20:21.12 | marc_smith | Dell |
| 20:21.15 | slinnky | lol |
| 20:21.17 | marc_smith | HP |
| 20:21.19 | slinnky | yeah, quite a few actually |
| 20:21.23 | abrotman | marc_smith: stop, those are not all the same model |
| 20:21.40 | marc_smith | of course they are not. But they all share the same CPU |
| 20:21.43 | abrotman | So again, I would suspect it largely depends on the actual model |
| 20:21.56 | marc_smith | model would make a difference in ARMs case I suppose |
| 20:22.26 | marc_smith | but I wonder if that x86 CPU is actually a regular i686 arch |
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| 20:22.47 | slinnky | Intel Atom is.... |
| 20:22.49 | marc_smith | if it can boot USB install image with Debian, etc |
| 20:22.51 | marc_smith | ok |
| 20:22.58 | slinnky | that I dunno |
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| 20:23.01 | abrotman | again, that would depend on the actual model |
| 20:23.09 | slinnky | there might be some proprietary shit in there |
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| 20:23.20 | marc_smith | no shop allows me to test the booting USB on their devices ... bummer |
| 20:23.27 | slinnky | Google will |
| 20:23.37 | slinnky | just buy one and return it if no go |
| 20:23.48 | slinnky | Which one are you looking at? |
| 20:23.53 | abrotman | Google sells a Windows8 tablet? |
| 20:24.05 | slinnky | abrotman, yeah dude |
| 20:24.13 | slinnky | google "MS surface pro" |
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| 20:24.23 | marc_smith | Never heard of Google selling x86 tablet |
| 20:24.29 | abrotman | yeah, we're done with that |
| 20:25.15 | marc_smith | anyhow - slinnky - I think your point is valid - I can always return such tablet if it doesn't work |
| 20:26.32 | zro | hmmm.... getting an error about python and debian/rules |
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| 20:28.44 | silicone | babilen: Hmmm.. I tried installing network-manager-gnome by usb... but was told that there were dependancy problems and it doesn't seem to have installed properly. I used # dpkg -i file. What do you think^ |
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| 20:28.52 | zro | weird... this isnt a thing "python-config --configdir" |
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| 20:29.58 | babilen | silicone: You have no internet connection? You, naturally, need to install all dependencies. |
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| 20:31.41 | marc_smith | http://thedroidguy.com/2013/01/how-to-install-native-ubuntu-linux-on-asus-transformer-pad-infinity-tf700-47629 finally something |
| 20:31.57 | m_e | any ideas on how to accept an ssl certificate as www-data? |
| 20:32.19 | m_e | or can you login as www-data? if so where do i find the account password? |
| 20:32.42 | abrotman | m_e: accept using what? |
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| 20:33.16 | abrotman | He knows that's not a "Windows8 tablet" ... right? |
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| 20:34.12 | m_e | an ssl certificate. i.e. when you browse to a website that runs over https and has no approved ssl certificate you will get a warning message and you have to accept that certificate. |
| 20:34.30 | abrotman | m_e: yes, but why are you surfing the web as www-data? |
| 20:34.40 | m_e | the same goes for when you have a svn repository running on a server over https:// without a approved certificate. |
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| 20:35.42 | m_e | cause i installed a web based tool that manages a svn repository. but sadly i am getting an error. |
| 20:35.52 | m_e | and i belive that it is because the ssl certificate is not accepted. |
| 20:36.04 | m_e | so what i would like to do is. log in as www-data and accept that certificate file |
| 20:36.20 | m_e | because that web base tool runs as www-data. |
| 20:36.25 | abrotman | that tool has no method to accept a self-signed cert? |
| 20:36.55 | m_e | doesnt look like. it just shows a simple. "The entry or revision was not found in the repository." |
| 20:37.09 | m_e | can mean anything. but i bet its because of the cert. |
| 20:37.35 | m_e | and there is no other configuration one could choose to accept it. |
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| 20:39.56 | prot | 3~ |
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| 20:44.12 | abrotman | m_e: what tool does your tool use to access the https site? |
| 20:44.44 | m_e | no idea. my tool is named redmine. |
| 20:45.03 | m_e | there it even says something about my issue: http://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/FAQ#I-cant-browse-my-svn-repository-through-redmine |
| 20:45.37 | m_e | "The initial import of a subversion repository over https requires that the ssl certificate fingerprint be manually validated and stored in a config-dir accessible by the user running the web server. It is recommended that a directory local to the redmine application root be provided, either as a default (./svn/.subversion) or as a provided parameter in the repository settings for subversion." |
| 20:45.55 | abrotman | m_e: well good, it has a solution for you |
| 20:45.56 | m_e | but it does not say how to actually do it. :S |
| 20:46.13 | jhutchins | It looks more and more like Debian is relying on Gnome for all kinds of system tasks if done under a GUI, even if Gnome is not installed. IE use something other than Gnome or KDE and you can't shut down the system, you can't mount/unmount USB drives, other utilities (sane?) won't work. |
| 20:46.33 | jhutchins | Everything's just peachy-fine if you install gnome and set your user up, then use another windown manager. |
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| 20:46.53 | jhutchins | I should not have to install and set up gnome to run my system. Gnome should be optional. |
| 20:47.00 | jhutchins | </rant> |
| 20:47.34 | abrotman | jhutchins: feel free to use another distro |
| 20:48.53 | m_e | the second part of that explanation i dont rly get. no idea what i am supposed to do now. and how to validate that ssl cert manually. |
| 20:49.21 | abrotman | m_e: it probably wants you to just ignore that it isn't signed |
| 20:49.27 | abrotman | or rather, is self-signed |
| 20:49.34 | m_e | yes! but how? |
| 20:49.40 | m_e | thats exactly what i want. |
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| 20:50.12 | abrotman | m_e: it tells you at the bottom ? |
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| 20:51.36 | zro | ok, so after I "sudo apt-get -b source vim-gtk" I end up with a whole bunch of deb files, I have to install these in a particular order? i seem to be getting complaints about dependencies |
| 20:51.50 | silicone | Quick question - maybe this channel is not the place, but as I am looking for an email provider, I was wondering what you prefer? |
| 20:52.04 | abrotman | silicone: try #debian-offtopic |
| 20:52.19 | silicone | abrotman: thanks! |
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| 20:57.52 | m_e | abrotman: i missread that at first... sorry. gonna try that. |
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| 20:59.56 | m_e | abrotman: damn! i works! thank you very much :) |
| 20:59.58 | Okee | How do I remove duplicate packages? I am on Debian Linux Stable, and would like to remove the i386 version of Google Talk Plugin, while leaving the AMD64 version. The following is print out of what is on my screen: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/50ebcc33/ |
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| 21:00.13 | Okee | Hmm. I get cut off when posting to this channel |
| 21:00.20 | abrotman | Okee: apt-get remove foo:386? |
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| 21:00.52 | Okee | How do I remove duplciate packages? I want to remove the following i386, but leave the AMD64: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/50ebcc33/ |
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| 21:01.17 | centrx | Yeah we got it |
| 21:01.24 | codepython777 | whats the apt-get command for installing X+icewm? |
| 21:01.30 | codepython777 | minimal install that is |
| 21:01.50 | centrx | codepython777, xserver-xorg-core is fairly minimal |
| 21:01.51 | Okee | abrotman> I get a file not found error when typing the following command: sudo apt-get remove dl.google.com_linux_talkplugin_deb_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 21:01.59 | abrotman | that's not what i said |
| 21:02.07 | abrotman | codepython777: aptitude install xorg icewm |
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| 21:03.27 | codepython777 | trying both one by one |
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| 21:03.45 | abrotman | okay, ignore what I say ... |
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| 21:05.47 | codepython777 | abrotman: thanks. that worked |
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| 21:13.21 | AmyH | Im trying to be nerdy and learn command line but theres a gui and its making me lazy how do i change the run level on my debian to only goto command line (but enough so i can ssh from my windows box to it) please :o) |
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| 21:14.17 | centrx | AmyH, In Debian it is not done with runlevel. You can uninstall or disable your "display manager", usually named like gdm, kdm, lightdm,.. |
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| 21:14.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell AmyH -about nodm |
| 21:14.59 | babilen | AmyH: But just use it. Force yourself to do *everything* from the command line for four weeks. |
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| 21:15.54 | AmyH | centrx: that explains why i cant find how to do it on google :o) ill take a look at droping the dm |
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| 21:18.08 | silicone | I ran apt-get -f install and now my display has some problems... grainy image... login screen was without colour... Should I just undo the last command? Is this even possible? |
| 21:18.42 | babilen | silicone: What did it do? (it should normally be a no-op) |
| 21:18.51 | babilen | (cf. /var/log/apt/history.log) |
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| 21:19.33 | silicone | babilien: It went into a 20 minute + long process (old machine, but still) and then downloaded and replaced all kinds of things...libs... |
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| 21:20.41 | babilen | silicone: What kind of funky^Whorrible things did you do to your system before that? |
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| 21:20.49 | silicone | babilen: I had tried apt-get install network-manager-gnome and it suggested the apt-ge |
| 21:21.08 | silicone | babilen: Well, other than being very new to debian, not much.... |
| 21:21.34 | silicone | babilen: I mean the machine is an old powerpc ibook, 2002... |
| 21:21.58 | babilen | silicone: Ah, okay ... paste /var/log/apt/history.log please and the output of the previous command. |
| 21:22.03 | silicone | babilen: I had this same problem when I had initially installed a Wheezy-unstable.. |
| 21:22.55 | silicone | babilen: unfortunatley I restarted the system so the output of the previous command is gone. |
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| 21:23.21 | mtn | silicone: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 21:24.40 | silicone | mtn: guilty |
| 21:24.50 | mtn | :) |
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| 21:25.23 | mtn | silicone: at least you get to keep the pieces |
| 21:25.32 | silicone | mtn: Ha! |
| 21:25.57 | Rikairchy | does the debian keyring accept third-party PGP keys for those that host their own repo? |
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| 21:30.11 | babilen | silicone: You should, however, still have /var/log/apt/history.log |
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| 21:31.54 | silicone | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/109537/ |
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| 21:39.04 | babilen | silicone: wait, wait ... could you show me the output of "apt-cache policy" and "head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}" |
| 21:39.13 | Okee | abrotman: |
| 21:39.26 | abrotman | Okee: |
| 21:39.31 | Okee | Abrotman: I still can't get the package removed. Any ideas on how to do this? |
| 21:39.35 | silicone | babilen: Okay - and thanks helping... |
| 21:39.54 | Okee | abrotman: sudo apt-get remove dl.google.com_linux_talkplugin_deb_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 21:40.16 | Okee | I get an error message that Debian can't find any package called by this name. |
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| 21:40.47 | Okee | abrotman> Running update doesn't clear out the duplicates. |
| 21:41.16 | Neobenedict | CONGRATULATIONS GERMANY |
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| 21:43.38 | babilen | silicone: It looks as if you had testing or unstable in your sources.list and performed a very, well, unorthodox (and probably wrong) upgrade to that release |
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| 21:45.37 | silicone | babilen: Okay - Actually, now that you mention it I had wanted to install jitsi and added deb http://.... jessie main.... would this have caused it possibley? |
| 21:45.47 | silicone | babilen: Oops. |
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| 21:50.14 | silicone | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/109540/ |
| 21:50.43 | silicone | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/109541/ |
| 21:50.58 | abrotman | Okee: that is not hte package name ... |
| 21:51.23 | Okee | abrotman> So what is the package name? |
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| 21:51.55 | abrotman | Okee: dpkg -l | sort ... look for it |
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| 21:59.07 | silicone | babilen: Would the best be to simply do a fresh install? Or maybe that doesn't adress the root of the problem.... |
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| 22:02.18 | babilen | silicone: Well, the root of the problem is that you upgraded from wheezy (stable release) to a development release (jessie/testing) in a *very* unorthodox and weird way. I would probably recommend a reinstall iff you want to run wheezy, but completely upgrading to jessie is certainly an option |
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| 22:03.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell silicone -about wheezy->jessie |
| 22:03.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell silicone -about sid faq |
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| 22:03.36 | babilen | silicone: Given that you are really quite new to all this I wouldn't recommend that procedure and consider a reinstall to be the most sensible option |
| 22:03.56 | silicone | babilen: Thanks. I was thinking that too. |
| 22:04.09 | silicone | babilen: Well, I suppose a fresh install it is! |
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| 22:04.53 | silicone | babilen: So, in the future, I guess more reading before installing would be good. |
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| 22:05.57 | babilen | silicone: Just don't mix releases |
| 22:06.03 | paulo_ | is there a page that discusses software vulnerabilities? |
| 22:06.11 | babilen | dpkg: tracker of doom |
| 22:06.11 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 22:06.35 | silicone | babilen: Okay. Well, glad that is solved and I'll be doing a re-install shortly. |
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| 23:01.09 | rocko2 | how do I get this to install the dependency that it says it won't install? |
| 23:01.10 | rocko2 | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ai7ihfbi |
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| 23:06.38 | abrotman | rocko2: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 23:07.07 | rocko2 | I am using trisquel |
| 23:07.15 | abrotman | rocko2: then you should ask them for support, not us |
| 23:07.20 | rocko2 | okay |
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| 23:08.01 | rocko2 | but it is based on ubuntu which is based on debian abrotman |
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| 23:09.50 | Quantum` | Anyone see what's wrong with this: https://pastee.org/qmtd6 |
| 23:10.18 | Quantum` | /home/bill/.cron/time: line 7: [: -gt: unary operator expected |
| 23:10.55 | phogg | Quantum`: your lvalue variable is expanding to nothing |
| 23:11.11 | phogg | Quantum`: $RetVal is empty, I mean |
| 23:11.21 | Quantum` | O |
| 23:11.25 | phogg | Quantum`: fix it by surrounding $RetVal in full quotes, "$RetVal" |
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| 23:11.43 | phogg | Quantum`: a better solution would be "${RetVal:-0}" |
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| 23:11.51 | phogg | Quantum`: in this way a 0 will be assumed when it is empty |
| 23:12.09 | Quantum` | In the test, or in the mail? |
| 23:12.21 | phogg | Quantum`: on line 7 |
| 23:12.32 | phogg | Quantum`: er, I mean 6 |
| 23:12.37 | phogg | Quantum`: yes in the test |
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| 23:13.02 | dvs | Quantum`: Yeah, what assigns a value to $RetVal |
| 23:13.36 | abrotman | rocko2: it's not supported here, end of discussion |
| 23:13.49 | Quantum` | It tweks! Ty phogg. |
| 23:14.03 | Quantum` | twerks |
| 23:14.08 | rocko2 | ok abrotman |
| 23:15.23 | abrotman | rocko2: there is a #trisquel, good luck |
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| 23:20.56 | BigMouthCommie | i think i broke something in x |
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| 23:21.08 | BigMouthCommie | i'm in a tty b/c x won't launch |
| 23:22.16 | BigMouthCommie | http://paste.debian.net/109557 |
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| 23:23.47 | phogg | BigMouthCommie: your video driver (fglrx) is not installed or not found. Either specify a different one (e.g. vesa) in xorg.conf, or install the driver |
| 23:24.28 | BigMouthCommie | if you weren't sure which one you need, how would you go about determining which one you need, and, you know, getting it? |
| 23:24.37 | BigMouthCommie | is everythingineed in the repos? |
| 23:25.30 | phogg | BigMouthCommie: it says in the log |
| 23:25.54 | phogg | BigMouthCommie: you are configured to use fglrx. Do you know your video card chipset? |
| 23:26.05 | phogg | BigMouthCommie: and yes, everything you need is in the repos |
| 23:26.30 | BigMouthCommie | ok. i do not know the chipset |
| 23:26.39 | BigMouthCommie | i think it's onboard |
| 23:26.58 | phogg | BigMouthCommie: if you're not sure what kind of card you have try lspci. One of the lines out output should look like a video card. |
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| 23:27.24 | phogg | BigMouthCommie: it will might be described as a VGA controller or a display adapter or a video card, but it should be recognizable. |
| 23:27.41 | phogg | BigMouthCommie: it should also list the company behind it there. |
| 23:27.57 | abrotman | lspci -nn ? |
| 23:28.23 | phogg | abrotman: probably just lspci will do |
| 23:28.24 | BigMouthCommie | radeonhd? |
| 23:28.26 | xteejx | lspci -v | grep VGA |
| 23:29.03 | phogg | BigMouthCommie: So an AMD/ATI card. The log suggests this by trying to find fglrx, which is a driver for such cards. |
| 23:29.37 | BigMouthCommie | what's the nameof the package? |
| 23:29.46 | BigMouthCommie | i get like 12 fglrx results |
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| 23:30.20 | raspberr_ | why do vmware tools not install automatically when they do in unbut? |
| 23:30.22 | raspberr_ | ubuntu |
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| 23:31.10 | phogg | BigMouthCommie: I'm not sure, I've not used ATI cards under Linux in about 13 years |
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| 23:31.27 | BigMouthCommie | kk thx for getting me this far |
| 23:31.35 | BigMouthCommie | i will try to ask google. |
| 23:31.50 | blivande | BigMouthCommie: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 23:32.47 | phogg | things have probably changed since rage3d on xfree86 3.x |
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| 23:34.52 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:35.00 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 23:35.00 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon HD and FirePro graphic processing units. As of fglrx-driver 1:12-6~beta-1, R600 and R700 based GPUs (Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series) are no longer supported; ask me about <fglrx legacy> or use the <radeon> driver for device support. To install fglrx, see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>. |
| 23:35.02 | abrotman | probably better |
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| 23:37.50 | sz112 | i'm getting a couple of messages during boot that i was wondering if anyone can shed some light on |
| 23:37.53 | sz112 | SETTING OF KERNEL PARAMETER FAILED: echo ondemand \> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu[0-3]/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
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| 23:47.17 | raspberr_ | why is deiban such a pain |
| 23:47.20 | raspberr_ | and ubnutu su much nicer |
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| 23:47.43 | raspberr_ | why would u have apt-get used the cd rom |
| 23:47.54 | |oop | Lies and slander |
| 23:48.07 | |oop | No internnet |
| 23:48.17 | dvs | raspberr_: because you still have the cdrom configured in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:48.19 | |oop | Slow internet |
| 23:48.36 | raspberr_ | but why would that be the default |
| 23:48.37 | |oop | You're a rebel |
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| 23:49.11 | TJ- | raspberr_: Because that is the installation media, where packages can be installed from without requiring a network connection |
| 23:49.22 | raspberr_ | but if that were the case then why arent they already installed |
| 23:49.24 | raspberr_ | its just not sensical |
| 23:50.14 | raspberr_ | the worst part is that it doesnt even work right, because it keeps looking at the dvd |
| 23:50.17 | raspberr_ | looking and looking |
| 23:50.19 | raspberr_ | over and over again |
| 23:50.23 | raspberr_ | it doesnt stop and move on |
| 23:50.48 | jmcnaught | raspberr_: comment out the line for the DVD in your sources.list and to apt-get update |
| 23:50.55 | dvs | raspberr_: Because you installed using the disc 1 iso? |
| 23:50.55 | raspberr_ | yea |
| 23:51.00 | raspberr_ | but thats a pain |
| 23:51.02 | raspberr_ | an extra step |
| 23:51.13 | jmcnaught | raspberr_: then use the netinst iso next time |
| 23:51.24 | raspberr_ | that was worse nothign was installed then |
| 23:51.33 | BigMouthCommie | raspberr_: you are not being very friendly |
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| 23:52.21 | raspberr_ | debian always wants to be mean to me |
| 23:52.33 | raspberr_ | i never have any of these issues on ubuntu, why cant u be ubuntu without the heavy gui |
| 23:52.35 | raspberr_ | ubuntu works |
| 23:52.47 | dvs | raspberr_: then use Ubuntu |
| 23:52.54 | raspberr_ | gui too heavy |
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| 23:53.11 | raspberr_ | its more of a question |
| 23:53.14 | raspberr_ | of why cant debian learn |
| 23:53.17 | raspberr_ | to more useful |
| 23:53.32 | BigMouthCommie | i'm reluctant to say "use ubuntu", but i would say, "these are volunteers helping you. no one deserves to be berated just becaus you don't understand the software and how it works" |
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| 23:53.59 | raspberr_ | this is not the first time ive had issue wiht debian thats why |
| 23:54.16 | raspberr_ | because there are things that would make sense to fix and update |
| 23:54.20 | raspberr_ | or provide an option |
| 23:54.22 | cuqa | raspberr_: then get aids and die |
| 23:54.23 | BigMouthCommie | so fix them |
| 23:54.24 | jmcnaught | raspberr_: it's more like why don't you learn to use debian properly? The Installation Manual is quite good, so are the Debian Administrator's Handbook and Debian Reference. All three are available online or are packages that can be installed locally. |
| 23:54.31 | raspberr_ | i already have HIV cuqa |
| 23:54.38 | cuqa | that makes me happy |
| 23:54.46 | jmcnaught | cuqa: wow that is totally uncalled for |
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| 23:54.49 | raspberr_ | in fact i probably od have aids |
| 23:54.51 | raspberr_ | i havent taken meds |
| 23:54.58 | raspberr_ | so i might have a very low tcell count |
| 23:55.09 | cuqa | there are no meds against aids |
| 23:55.14 | cuqa | so wtf are you talking |
| 23:55.26 | jmcnaught | cuqa: seriously cut it out please. |
| 23:55.34 | raspberr_ | there are meds to stop hiv from turning into aids |
| 23:55.36 | raspberr_ | there not hte same thing |
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| 23:55.55 | cuqa | ok you are right |
| 23:56.15 | TJ- | Can we get back to how awesome Debian is now? |
| 23:56.18 | |oop | Lucky u |
| 23:56.24 | jmcnaught | raspberr_: that's unfortunate and i hope the best for your health, but it's not really a topic for discussion here :/ |
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| 23:56.40 | raspberr_ | cuqa: started it |
| 23:56.44 | raspberr_ | im just informing him |
| 23:56.45 | raspberr_ | of the situation |
| 23:56.48 | BigMouthCommie | debian is pretty awesome |
| 23:56.57 | jmcnaught | well lets all just drop it and talk about Debian :) |
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| 23:57.26 | raspberr_ | debian needs to learn from ubuntu |
| 23:57.29 | raspberr_ | the good parts anway |
| 23:57.34 | cuqa | raspberr_: ubuntu is probably better for desktops than debian |
| 23:57.43 | BigMouthCommie | like... i broke my video drivers (TOTALLY MY FAULT) and i'm about to try to figure out how to reinstall it. ihave a usb drive plugged in... what image should i fetch to write to it? and what toolz do i need to make that bootable? |
| 23:57.50 | cuqa | just use ubuntu and use debian for servers |
| 23:57.52 | cuqa | problem solved |
| 23:58.38 | jmcnaught | Debian is fine for desktops, but there is a bit more of an expectation that users will read documentation |
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| 23:59.03 | BigMouthCommie | anyone? best live debian image? best tools for making bootable usb? |
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| 23:59.36 | cuqa | unetbootin is popular if you dont have linux already |
| 23:59.41 | jmcnaught | !rescue |
| 23:59.42 | musca | don't use unetbootin |
| 23:59.42 | dpkg | i heard rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?"). Ask me about <rescue mode>. See also <fixmbr> and <i forgot root's password>. |
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