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| 00:10.28 | skilz | My clock has slowed down and hour by some weird reason |
| 00:10.36 | skilz | It's 10am but it says its 9am |
| 00:10.40 | skilz | How do I fix it? |
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| 00:12.19 | skilz | skilz, ntpdate can do this |
| 00:12.23 | skilz | Ok thanks skilz |
| 00:12.29 | skilz | skilz, np! |
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| 00:18.45 | marianna | Hi! |
| 00:19.51 | marianna | I want to do a bot to put the data of some webpage into a csv file |
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| 00:21.00 | marianna | and I have this pattern <h3 class="arg">Name</h3> |
| 00:21.27 | marianna | how do I get the value between ><?? |
| 00:21.38 | marianna | awk? sed? |
| 00:23.02 | marianna | oh |
| 00:23.23 | marianna | maybe it's just grep... |
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| 00:29.45 | jlim | good evening |
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| 00:33.53 | Brigo | marianna, awk, sed, cut, but for sure there are a library to easily do that in the programing language of your choice |
| 00:34.17 | marianna | I've used this |
| 00:34.37 | marianna | grep -oP '(?<=<h3 class="arg">)[^<]*' tmp.html |
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| 00:34.53 | marianna | thanks Brigo ;-) |
| 00:35.01 | Brigo | marianna, yw :) |
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| 00:38.43 | peterrooney | "HTML is not a regular language" |
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| 01:17.14 | Extensa5630G | What does the package firmware-linux-nonfree stand for?may it enhance my ATI3470HD's performances by any chance? not sure about it though i have read its description |
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| 01:23.45 | dvs | Extensa5630G: it should |
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| 01:32.48 | Tau | hello. in theory every file in a unix like system could be identified by /"dir1"/"dir2"/"dir3"/"filename" right? |
| 01:32.54 | Tau | is it standard |
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| 01:34.00 | dvs | yes |
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| 01:35.18 | Tau | k |
| 01:35.26 | dalias | not every file |
| 01:35.35 | dalias | a file that has been deleted cannot be identified as such :) |
| 01:35.46 | dalias | but it still exists until the last close |
| 01:36.51 | Sway | So, i'm having a bit of trouble trying to work with groups. We have a main user running applications and each user is in that group, but we're wanting to set permissions up so newly created files are owned by the user in /home/<user> but at the same time, all users in said group will have permissions to read, write and modify everything. Newly created files will be owned by the group and user in /home/<user>. Hopefully that makes sense.. heh |
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| 01:37.12 | Tau | k |
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| 01:38.02 | Sway | Anyone have any idea how i could go about easily achieving this? |
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| 01:41.51 | dvs | Sway: I wouldnt do that in people's home directory, that's for sure. |
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| 01:42.29 | Sway | Well it's not an actual user. |
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| 01:44.58 | dvs | !tell Sway about setgid |
| 01:46.03 | Sway | already using setgid and it doesn't want to work the way i want lol |
| 01:46.17 | Sway | g+s Right? |
| 01:46.57 | dvs | yup |
| 01:47.49 | Sway | yeah, newly created files are owned by the user, but also owned by the group. At the same time, it's also unchangeable by other users in the group. |
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| 01:49.49 | dvs | Does the directory have group write permissions? |
| 01:50.33 | Sway | I'm pretty sure it does. |
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| 02:01.52 | karlpinc | !tell Sway about upg |
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| 02:02.32 | karlpinc | While squeeze was configured to support upg by default wheezy has reverted to not supporting upg without fussing with pam. |
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| 02:03.51 | karlpinc | Sway: This line "session optional pam_umask.so usergroups" needs to be added to the end of /etc/pam.d/common-session. |
| 02:04.15 | karlpinc | Sway: I don't think the wiki is up-to-date. Feel free to update it. |
| 02:04.40 | some-cowbell | Is there something I can add, maybe to my kde setup, so that when I print anything, I can have it scaled? |
| 02:04.44 | Sway | hmm |
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| 02:05.00 | karlpinc | Sway: However, you probably don't want it to be a user's home dir. Just some dir somewhere. Put a symlink in a handy place. |
| 02:05.15 | dvs | heh |
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| 02:06.12 | Sway | home dir is the best place to store these applications. The use a fair bit if disk space and i'm not about to go and redo partitions on my machines lol.. |
| 02:06.26 | Sway | I'll have to look into that |
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| 02:06.59 | karlpinc | Sway: It's fine if it's on the /home partition. Just don't make it a user's actual home dir in /etc/passwd. |
| 02:07.57 | karlpinc | some-cowbell: Poke around in the cups configuration. http://localhost:631/ (iirc) |
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| 02:08.30 | Sway | I mean, what if i did do that though? I don't really think there would be an issue. :P |
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| 02:08.44 | some-cowbell | great idea, tnx |
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| 02:10.34 | karlpinc | Sway: It would mean that that user's home directory would not be in the user's private group, and therefore would not have any privacy. It's the sort of thing that the BOFH kicks people off for. (I've seen policy that prevents people from sharing anything at all in their home directory.) |
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| 02:11.20 | Sway | Ahh |
| 02:11.28 | karlpinc | some-cowbell: There's some way to do it from cups, because you can plug filters into the processing stream. But I wouldn't want to do it myself unless there was a knob to turn somewhere. Way too much effort. |
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| 02:12.38 | Extensa5630G | can anyone help me resetting the wireless network's configuratin to its default settings?, it seems like i messed something, not sure what happened, but the graphical networks' manager was working fine, till that i went to /etc/network/interfaces and added "auto wlan0" then "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" |
| 02:12.43 | Extensa5630G | i use debian wheezy |
| 02:12.48 | Extensa5630G | * kde |
| 02:13.18 | Extensa5630G | so now i can't detect my nearby wireless router |
| 02:13.48 | dvs | Extensa5630G: you can't mix the GUI network manager with the interfaces file. |
| 02:14.11 | Extensa5630G | dvs: did i mix them then? |
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| 02:14.35 | jasabella | hi :) |
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| 02:14.51 | dvs | Extensa5630G: if you configured through the GUI and then added something to the interfaces files, then yes. |
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| 02:15.04 | karlpinc | Extensa5630G: If it's still broken after putting the interfaces file back like it was then it might have something to do with udev and the z70 rule. (but I'm not good with wireless.) Anyhow, fyi. |
| 02:15.10 | karlpinc | !tell Extensa5630G about z70 |
| 02:15.21 | Extensa5630G | karlpinc: I see |
| 02:15.32 | Extensa5630G | dvs: Alright :s |
| 02:15.49 | Extensa5630G | dvs: currently the thing is like karlpinc described it |
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| 02:17.57 | Extensa5630G | jasabella: Hi. |
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| 02:21.13 | karlpinc | Extensa5630G: So, do like the z70 factoid said and check your /etc/udev/rules.d/z70-* file. |
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| 02:22.02 | Extensa5730G | karlpinc: sorry didn't anyone except you say something?I accidentally got the rj45 cable unplugged |
| 02:22.16 | karlpinc | Nobody. |
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| 02:22.26 | Extensa5730G | Alright. |
| 02:22.47 | Extensa5730G | should I pastebinit the z70 file? |
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| 02:23.45 | karlpinc | Extensa5730G: I think that 'udevadm trigger' will redo things after chaning the z70 file. However, I'm not sure about that and screwing around without knowing what you're doing can cause "bad things". Rather than figure it out I've tended to reboot. Someone here might comment and provide guidance. |
| 02:24.19 | Extensa5730G | karlpinc: Alright sir. |
| 02:24.22 | karlpinc | Extensa5730G: You should be able to figure it out by comparing the mac addresses in the "ifconfig" output and the z70 (network) file. |
| 02:24.38 | karlpinc | Extensa5730G: But if you can't, then yes, pastebin both of those things. |
| 02:24.51 | Extensa5730G | Um' I see. |
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| 02:32.39 | Extensa5730G | karlpinc: strange why are there 2 wlan0's? :o |
| 02:32.40 | Extensa5730G | http://paste.debian.net/108060/ |
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| 02:32.56 | Extensa5730G | from sudo ifconfig |
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| 02:45.16 | Extensa5630G | karlpinc: Ah, rebooting fixed everything after all, i did nothing :) |
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| 03:38.42 | edman007 | is there documentation on debian packaging scripts, and the info file format? |
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| 03:44.19 | p3rror | hello |
| 03:44.29 | p3rror | how to stop a runnit services |
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| 03:44.39 | p3rror | I ran sv kill nginx |
| 03:44.43 | p3rror | and it restart again |
| 03:46.06 | estebian | /etc/init.d/ngnix stop |
| 03:46.45 | p3rror | it is a runit daemon |
| 03:47.05 | p3rror | I think I have to remove the service from /service directory |
| 03:47.09 | estebian | To kill use: pkill gninx or pkill -9 ngnix (last option, no recommended) |
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| 03:47.32 | p3rror | when the process receive a kill signal |
| 03:47.37 | p3rror | it will restart |
| 03:47.47 | p3rror | not like init daemon |
| 03:47.50 | p3rror | runit daemon |
| 03:47.58 | p3rror | are always under supervision |
| 03:48.14 | p3rror | so the daemon restart when it receive a kill signal |
| 03:48.45 | estebian | https://wiki.debian.org/Daemon |
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| 03:50.29 | p3rror | http://smarden.org/runit/faq.html |
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| 03:58.49 | fluffywolf | my dependencies seem to have broken in a new and interesting way... aptitude and apt-get randomly either want to remove half my system to install anything, or complain of broken packages. and the packages it complains about seem to have no relation to what you're trying to install - apt-get install dnsutils gives " libva1 : Breaks: vlc-nox (< 1.1.5-3) but 1.1.3-1squeeze6 is to be installed" for example. |
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| 04:00.54 | fluffywolf | and this time I don't even think I caused it! :) |
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| 04:03.03 | fluffywolf | and if I try upgrading anything, aptitude's solution is to suggest I remove it instead. |
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| 04:05.59 | fluffywolf | any suggestions on how to track down what's causing it to behave annoyingly? |
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| 04:09.45 | binaryhermit | wonders if an upgrade to wheezy would solve fluffywolf's problem and whether fluffywolf would be willing to try it |
| 04:10.02 | binaryhermit | is no apt wizard |
| 04:10.17 | skilz | If I have a windows mouse cursor pack how do I use it? |
| 04:10.23 | fluffywolf | I have many parts of wheezy installed! :P |
| 04:10.39 | binaryhermit | that could be your problem :P |
| 04:11.07 | binaryhermit | sorry, probably shouldn't have made the :P smiley there |
| 04:11.56 | fluffywolf | mplayer seems to pop up on the list more often than other packages, but I don't know if that means anything or is just something that depends on a whole lot of other things... |
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| 04:18.50 | punkgeek | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.44 | skilz | If I have a windows mouse cursor pack how do I use it? |
| 04:20.49 | jasabella | did you instsall a desktopnvironment? |
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| 04:27.23 | punkgeek | any body can tell me where is CLI login text page? |
| 04:28.33 | fluffywolf | like /etc/motd? |
| 04:29.58 | jasabella | heh i thought punkgeek had installed a desktop environment and was looking for Ctrl+Alt+F1 |
| 04:30.11 | fluffywolf | that could be too. :) |
| 04:32.52 | fluffywolf | gah, this is getting expensive... apt-get will upgrade mplayer, so trying that... $0.60 of bandwidth and 10 minutes from now, I'll see if it helped... |
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| 04:37.47 | fluffywolf | curls up and yawns |
| 04:39.21 | punkgeek | no desktop, on debian server |
| 04:39.30 | punkgeek | whitout desktop |
| 04:39.42 | fluffywolf | what, exactly, are you looking for? |
| 04:40.30 | punkgeek | see, i need change this |
| 04:40.30 | punkgeek | punkgeek@punkgeek-VPCEA4BGX:~$ ssh root@192.168.1.1 |
| 04:40.31 | punkgeek | root@107.6.174.246's password: |
| 04:40.31 | punkgeek | Welcome to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.13.0-24-generic i686) |
| 04:40.31 | punkgeek | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.31 | punkgeek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:41.09 | fluffywolf | that would be /etc/motd, like I said earlier. |
| 04:41.20 | fluffywolf | also, this is #debian, not #ubuntu. |
| 04:42.21 | punkgeek | cant see motd in /etc !! |
| 04:42.42 | fluffywolf | maybe that's because you're using ubuntu, not debian. I don't know what ubuntu does. ask ubuntu users. :P |
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| 04:42.54 | punkgeek | :D thank you |
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| 04:43.08 | punkgeek | #ubuntu-server ? |
| 04:43.12 | fluffywolf | I have an /etc/motd, and it starts with "The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software"... :P |
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| 04:43.28 | fluffywolf | no clue. I'd try #ubuntu or ##ubuntu... |
| 04:43.38 | punkgeek | okay very thank you |
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| 04:50.25 | fluffywolf | gah, apt-get won't even remove individual packages. |
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| 04:51.41 | psiklops | Good morning |
| 04:53.27 | psiklops | I am running the current version of icedove 24.6.0 on up to date wheezy and would like to submit a what i call a bug ... how can i do so? |
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| 04:55.00 | psiklops | fluffywolf, individual as in ? |
| 04:55.10 | fluffywolf | ok, now I'm getting somewhere, I think. some packages want libkrb53, while others want libkrb5-3, but these confict. wtf?! |
| 04:56.20 | fluffywolf | why is there something with seemingly the same thing in two packages with slightly different names, why do some packages want one or the other? heh |
| 04:57.38 | psiklops | fluffywolf, did you do $ apt-cache show libkrb5-3 for example to show you information about the specific package |
| 04:57.47 | psiklops | fluffywolf, what are you trying to do ? |
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| 04:58.16 | fluffywolf | showing me information on it doesn't show me why this problem exists. :) |
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| 04:58.36 | fluffywolf | I'm trying to figure out why apt-get/aptitude/etc have broken, insisting on removing utterly random things any time I try to do anything. |
| 04:59.19 | psiklops | fluffywolf, did you do # apt-get -f install |
| 04:59.33 | psiklops | yet |
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| 05:00.15 | fluffywolf | doesn't do anything. |
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| 05:00.27 | fluffywolf | (that is, it doesn't think anything needs to be done) |
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| 05:01.31 | fluffywolf | but any time I ask apt-get or aptitude to do anything, it tries to remove tons of packages... apt-get at least is pretty consistent, while aptitude's suggestions are bat-shit crazy, and don't sound like they'd actually solve the problem... like removing git to upgrade dnsutils, removing k3b to install smbfs, etc. |
| 05:03.17 | psiklops | fluffywolf, did you manipulate /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/?* <-- anything i there ? |
| 05:03.23 | punkgeek | can you tell me why this shell script didnt work? |
| 05:03.24 | punkgeek | #!/bin/bash |
| 05:03.24 | punkgeek | echo "Enter Password For Root:" |
| 05:03.24 | punkgeek | read pass |
| 05:03.24 | punkgeek | echo -e "$pass\n$pass\n"| passwd root |
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| 05:03.27 | fluffywolf | not lately. |
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| 05:03.51 | fluffywolf | other than commenting out something that doesn't exist anymore, because I was sick of seeing 404s every time I updated. (gnash) |
| 05:05.01 | psiklops | fluffywolf, what does $ apt-get update ; apt-get install <DesiredPackages> say ? |
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| 05:05.14 | fluffywolf | libkrb53 seems like it might be the root of the problem... a lot of the things they want to remove depend on it. |
| 05:05.18 | punkgeek | no body know? :D |
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| 05:05.42 | fluffywolf | it says about a hundred lines of things it wants to remove and upgrade |
| 05:05.46 | fluffywolf | and install |
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| 05:05.55 | fluffywolf | none of which are relevant to the package ou give. |
| 05:06.40 | psiklops | hmm ... and if you install libkrb5-dev instead of the other 2 and then proceed with you package install |
| 05:07.01 | karlpinc | punkgeek: Yeah. passwrd is picky. I don't think it takes data on stdin. I think it opens the tty directly. Or something like that. |
| 05:07.14 | fluffywolf | it won't install libkrb5-3, which is what it seems more things depend on... |
| 05:07.33 | fluffywolf | punkgeek: yes, passwd is smart enough to prevent you from doing stupid things like that. |
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| 05:08.13 | fluffywolf | I think the problem is a _lot_ of things need to be upgraded at once in some special order, and neither apt-get nor aptitude can figure it out.... |
| 05:08.28 | fluffywolf | and aptitude is on crack. |
| 05:08.38 | punkgeek | so what should i do for change passwd on my script? |
| 05:08.51 | karlpinc | fluffywolf: What version of debian? |
| 05:09.05 | fluffywolf | karlpinc: all-of-the-above. |
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| 05:10.12 | karlpinc | fluffywolf: I've casually scanned the backhistory and don't see where you mentioned your debian version. Wanna tell me again? |
| 05:10.37 | fluffywolf | umm... neopolitan? |
| 05:10.44 | fluffywolf | this box has been upgraded for ten years or so |
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| 05:10.53 | fluffywolf | it doesn't have a version. :) |
| 05:11.17 | karlpinc | fluffywolf: Mine too. Since sarge or so. So now it's wheezy. You have a frankendebian? |
| 05:11.20 | fluffywolf | it has everything from circa 2004 through a few select packages from sid... |
| 05:12.01 | psiklops | fluffywolf, karlpinc nice |
| 05:12.06 | karlpinc | !frankendebian |
| 05:12.07 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 05:12.31 | fluffywolf | stable is the first thing in sources.list! :P |
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| 05:13.08 | karlpinc | fluffywolf: So have you followed the upgrade instructions from release to release? Sounds like not. |
| 05:13.57 | fluffywolf | of course not. the upgrade instructions result in packages no longer in debian being removed, and I like some of them. |
| 05:15.32 | karlpinc | Ok. So that's how you got here. But if you're going to bend the rules you have to expect breakage. |
| 05:15.35 | fluffywolf | you have no idea how much work it was to keep old gcc+ld+etc installed while new packages install multi-arch libs... |
| 05:15.42 | fluffywolf | this is new breakage. :) |
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| 05:16.08 | fluffywolf | the multi-arch switch breaks a _lot_ of things... |
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| 05:16.39 | karlpinc | (If I had to keep old releases I'd simplify my life and keep them on a vm for when I needed them. ) |
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| 05:18.15 | fluffywolf | looks like there's a newer version of aptitude... I should install it and see if it's gotten off whatever crack mine is on. (seriously. it suggests DIFFERENT random "solutions" every time I run it, none of which will fix anything) |
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| 05:19.58 | fluffywolf | this will take a half hour to download... might just go to bed and deal with it tomorrow. |
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| 05:21.37 | karlpinc | fluffywolf: You obviously have experience. For those lurking: it's a bad idea to use "stable" instead of a release name in your sources.list since when a new release happens your system will upgrade, possibly in the wrong way, in a not particularly controlled fashion. |
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| 05:22.42 | fluffywolf | wishes debian had a policy that no program would ever be removed from future releases... rather than the current policy of tossing things when the maintainer bails. |
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| 05:23.36 | karlpinc | fluffywolf: You could always rebuild and repackage the old stuff for the newer release. Or try. (Without a maintainer to do so it'd be hard to keep the old stuff...) |
| 05:24.02 | fluffywolf | or just have an "orphanage" team. :) |
| 05:26.13 | fluffywolf | 10min left downloading new aptitude... |
| 05:26.23 | fluffywolf | to wait, or to go to bed, that is the question.. |
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| 05:29.26 | fluffywolf | if it wasn't for this laptop's dependence on an external cooling fan, I could drive to town and find wifi faster than downloading any upgrades at home. heh. |
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| 05:31.01 | fluffywolf | curls up by jasabella's feet and goes to sleep |
| 05:31.03 | fluffywolf | bbl, bedtime |
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| 05:33.09 | sharky | fluffywolf, good morning : )) |
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| 05:37.24 | skilz_ | Any nice looking program to display weather on my desktop? |
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| 05:41.07 | karlpinc | skilz_: I tend to like using wget to get something spiffy from noaa and plooping on my screen background with some X utililty or another. Dump the whole script in cron. |
| 05:41.59 | sharky | .weather duesseldorf |
| 05:42.17 | sharky | hm only in #debian-offtopic |
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| 05:50.06 | karlpinc | skilz_: feh will put an image onto the X background.... |
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| 06:04.37 | punkgeek | i enter one command to run shell script on end of /root/.bashrc for running when login |
| 06:05.05 | punkgeek | but i need this: when i enter ctrl +c, logouted |
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| 06:07.33 | GNU\colossus | use the script itself as the login shell (very stupid idea for root, but yeah... I suppose you know what you are doing) |
| 06:07.53 | karlpinc | punkgeek: checkout the trap shell builtin |
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| 06:29.04 | ebfull | just tried to apt-get update, and was told: http://pastie.org/pastes/9353090/text?key=telu6nanqyx2pq8pdeoclq |
| 06:29.17 | ebfull | thought that was weird, so i installed apt-transport-https |
| 06:29.22 | ebfull | apt-get update again: |
| 06:29.58 | ebfull | http://pastie.org/pastes/9353097/text?key=udmaddjraiszd6usmrtlmq |
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| 06:36.01 | madist | I downloaded the debian DVD images (3 of them) and the readme html file in the root directory of the first DVD says "this is disk 1 of a 10 disk set". |
| 06:36.07 | madist | where are the 10 disks ? |
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| 06:39.22 | madist | second question: the debian update DVD images (debian-update-7.5.0-i386-DVD-1.iso) can be installed from hard disk or do they need to be burned to a DVD too ? |
| 06:40.07 | peterrooney | madist: Stop looking unless you are intending to go to a desert island. The first DVD covers 99% of what you are likely to want; along with the second, 99% of what 99% of people will ever want, ever. |
| 06:40.46 | peterrooney | madist: if you have a working network connection, the first DVD or the netinstall CD is enough. |
| 06:41.31 | madist | peterrooney: I have a working internet connection but not a reliable one. It can disconnect randomly once in a while. If I lose network during the install do I have to start again from scratch ? |
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| 06:42.35 | some-cowbell | no, and even if you hit ctrl-c during the download part, it will pick up right where it left off |
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| 06:42.56 | peterrooney | madist: seeing as you have DVD 1 already, no. |
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| 06:43.18 | some-cowbell | (you can hit ctrl-c during download, but not while the package install is going on) |
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| 06:43.34 | madist | that's good to know |
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| 06:44.28 | madist | can I create my own local repository on another machine (with an ftp server or something similar) ? Since I've already downloaded 3 DVD images. |
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| 06:45.16 | madist | (so it can be used for a network install over the LAN rather than relying on the internet) |
| 06:45.37 | some-cowbell | you could just make the dvd images available |
| 06:46.03 | madist | the installer will mount the iso's and read them itself ? |
| 06:46.21 | some-cowbell | not sure how that part works |
| 06:46.29 | psiklops | madist, good idea :-) |
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| 06:49.08 | some-cowbell | two things that might work: mount the isos on an ftp or web server; or make the files which are the dvd images available |
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| 06:51.25 | madist | can you dry run the installer ? i.e. run it upto some point without actually writing anything to disk just to familiarize yourself with the screens and options ? |
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| 07:06.24 | emhs | Okay, this is weird. I've got a debian server on DigitalOcean, and it's been working just fine for a while now, but all of a sudden I can't connect to it. |
| 07:06.36 | emhs | SSH, HTTP, IMAP, nothing's hitting it. |
| 07:06.49 | emhs | I've tried disabling UFW, that doesn't fix it. |
| 07:07.09 | emhs | (I can access it via the virtual-console to tinker with it...) |
| 07:07.18 | emhs | Anyone got a suggestion of a log file to inspect? |
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| 07:10.56 | Voyager82 | Hello. Yesterday I tried to connect to this channel, by another computer. I tried to send text to the channel, but I couldn't. (#debian cannot send to channel.) Does anybody can tell me why? (I was trying to solve a problem on another computer, where I was running Linux in text mode.) |
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| 07:15.11 | babilen | Voyager82: You might have IRCed as root |
| 07:15.52 | Voyager82 | babilen, this may be the case. But later I changed my nick. Was that the problem? |
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| 07:16.07 | Voyager82 | babilen, I even identified myself to NickServ. |
| 07:16.15 | babilen | Voyager82: It is not about the nick, but about the account on the box you irc from |
| 07:16.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell Voyager82 -about root |
| 07:16.36 | babilen | (we simply protect you from your own stupidity) |
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| 07:18.12 | Voyager82 | babilen, I understand. So, when I start my computer in text mode (to solve a problem), I should switch into another userspace, and than talk (safely) in the channel. I understand now. |
| 07:18.22 | babilen | exactly :) |
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| 07:21.16 | Voyager82 | When browsing the web, I used elinks. I tried to put elinks on the background, but, after that, I couln't "revive" it. I pressed CTRL+Z to put it in the background, and typed "fg" to "revive" it, but it didn't work. Consider that I'm not an expert in text mode. Any explanation? |
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| 07:30.07 | DimmuR | Hello is there simple way to access running KDE session through ssh from remote location? |
| 07:31.29 | ark` | DimmuR: you can use the -X option, but I do not really know how it works since I never used it |
| 07:31.44 | jelly-home | !vnc setup |
| 07:31.45 | dpkg | [vnc setup] Install <x11vnc> on the remote host and a VNC viewer (e.g. xtightvncviewer, xvnc4viewer) on the local computer; Locally: ssh -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 remotehost; Remote run: x11vnc -display :0; Locally: vncviewer localhost; that's it! VNC securely tunneled over SSH! |
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| 07:31.49 | jelly-home | DimmuR: ^^ |
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| 07:32.18 | jelly-home | no -X used |
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| 07:41.24 | DimmuR | jelly-home, thanks i'll check this |
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| 07:48.26 | Voyager82 | Hello. I may have found the reason why I cannot run the GUI properly. Running "dmesg", there is a line with the following text: "[drm] No driver support for vblank timestamp query." My understanding is that it's somehow related to my video card. How can I solve the problem? |
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| 08:07.22 | ochiottes | Voyager82: which chipset do you use? post more of dmesg |
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| 08:08.22 | Voyager82 | ochiottes, actually I'm running dmseg on another PC. Let me see. :) However, I suppose that the problem is related to my videocard. |
| 08:10.16 | Voyager82 | ochiottes, where do I read my chipset? |
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| 08:12.55 | ochiottes | Voyager82: lspci | grep VGA |
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| 08:14.12 | Voyager82 | NVIDIA Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev b2) , ochiottes. |
| 08:15.51 | ochiottes | Voyager82: paste the dmesg output to paste.debian.net |
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| 08:16.11 | Voyager82 | ochiottes, I suspect that the problem is related to the configuration of a certain package called "nouveu". |
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| 08:16.59 | Voyager82 | ochiottes, I don't know if I can. I'm currently running the other PC in textmode. :) I don't know how to paste large text. |
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| 08:18.20 | Voyager82 | ochiottes, I'm looking at the following page, now. It says the the proprietary NVIDIA driver does not work. Might it have something to do with my case? |
| 08:18.23 | oo_miguel | Today morning I was unable to login with my regular user OR the superuser. After resetting the superuser-password and examining /etc/shadow it seems that my regular users password was changed by something. Any suggestions what might have happened? (I have to admit that I did not run 'apt-get upgrade' for a some time) |
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| 08:19.40 | ochiottes | Voyager82: i can't say without further info, sorry |
| 08:19.41 | oo_miguel | It is also veeery unlikely that I forgot both passwords, because I use this notebook almost every day. |
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| 08:20.18 | Voyager82 | What if I send you file, ochiottes ? |
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| 08:20.51 | Guest6964 | i have a question how come my wlan0 interface is not showing up |
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| 08:20.59 | ochiottes | Voyager82: can you install the programm pastebinit on that machine? |
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| 08:21.16 | Voyager82 | I don't know. |
| 08:21.58 | Voyager82 | ochiottes, let me read this page, and see if I can find further useful details. Thank you very much for now. :) |
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| 08:25.19 | mick_ | hi huys is there a way to forward my bashrc aliases when I ssh a remote host ? |
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| 08:28.43 | Taueres | mick_, afain it's not possible: remote host could even use a completely different shell |
| 08:29.15 | SynrGy | all things are possible. it's just a small amount of code :) |
| 08:29.18 | mick_ | no I now this hosts on my network, they all run bash shell |
| 08:29.29 | mick_ | SynrG, any idea ? |
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| 08:30.33 | SynrGy | if it's your home network, why not just define those aliases on all your own hosts? |
| 08:31.00 | mick_ | cause there is something like 500 servers ... |
| 08:31.07 | Voyager82 | ochiottes, I'm now referring to the following page: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting/. The page says that this package called "nouveau" is not compatable with NVIDIA proprietary drivers. It suggests to unistall them. What do I do? Do I simply remove the files? (Actually, I noticed the problem only when I upgraded from Squeeze to Wheezy. Can it be possible?) |
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| 08:31.37 | SynrGy | mick_: well, how do you get anything to 500 servers efficiently? this is no different than anything else |
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| 08:32.47 | mick_ | yeah but security policy is highly strict, I can't put files and script how I want on this hosts. So I wondered if ssh can forward local alias |
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| 08:34.14 | mick_ | sorry for my english SynrG |
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| 08:36.40 | ochiottes | Voyager82: what have you done? which driver do you want? have you tried to install the proprietary driver? have you had nouveau before that? do you have both drivers installed, if so, remove one. if you want the propreitary driver have you followed the documentation in /usr/share/doc/nvidia? |
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| 08:40.18 | Voyager82 | ochiottes, actually, what I did was simply upgrading Debian from Squeeze to Wheezy. I noticed the problem after that. Actually, I don't "know" if I had Nouveau before. What I notice is that I can't run the GUI properly, and I found that line in the "dmesg", that I mentioned. I found in that page that the problem might be related with a conflict with an NVIDIA proprietary driver, and Nouveau. The page actually sugg |
| 08:40.18 | Voyager82 | ests to remove the proprietary driver. |
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| 08:40.58 | Iridos | oo_miguel, someone broke in your computer and changed the password(s)? If the question is "do any system services change passwords", I'd say the answer is "no" |
| 08:41.12 | psiklops | Voyager82, think this could help: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 08:41.51 | Voyager82 | psiklops, thanks. Let me take a look. :) |
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| 08:42.39 | psiklops | i switched from out of the box nouveau to legacy with that howto in no time |
| 08:44.05 | psiklops | Voyager82, please let me know if thats what you wanted |
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| 08:45.13 | Iridos | mic... oh, he's gorn anyway |
| 08:45.49 | Voyager82 | I don't know. Actually, the only line that I found in "dmesg", that make me think that the problem is related to nouveau, was "[drm] No driver support for vblank timestamp query." |
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| 08:46.47 | Aaron_ | hi i have a question how come my network-manager does not see my interface wlan0 |
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| 08:46.56 | Aaron_ | its annoying been with an ethernet cable |
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| 08:48.40 | gerforce | hi, something is wrong with my input method. i use fcitx as my default IM. But every time i boot my system, even though the icon of fcitx has already exist at the bottom right i still can not swith to chinese until i use command fcitx in the terminal. why? |
| 08:49.58 | daswort | hallo. Where does samba store the passwords (normal setup with smbpasswd for password creation)? |
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| 08:51.47 | formorer | afair /var/lib/samba/passdb.tdb |
| 08:52.12 | psiklops | Voyager82, is that an [EE] error and crashes X ? |
| 08:52.19 | ChrisH | Aaron_: normally, if NM does not "see" an Interface, its not there :) does ifconfig -a show wlan0 ? Or wlan0 is configured or mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:53.09 | psiklops | use wicd |
| 08:53.18 | SynrGy | no. horrible, horrible advice |
| 08:53.20 | Voyager82 | psiklops, no. I run Debian, normally, and when the GUI starts, I can't even view the characters that I type, when I insert the password. I even have problems visualizing the text of a window. |
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| 08:53.41 | psiklops | SynrG, it works fine for my solo desktop |
| 08:53.43 | Voyager82 | psiklops, perhaps I forgot to tell you that I'm using LXDE. I don't know if this is important. |
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| 08:53.55 | Aaron_ | ChrisH, nope |
| 08:53.58 | daswort | forcer, thanks |
| 08:54.03 | SynrGy | well, good for you. but wicd is a pain in the arse |
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| 08:54.08 | daswort | formorer, thank you |
| 08:54.58 | psiklops | Voyager82, not really important... you can run X without any dm or wm |
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| 08:55.05 | Aaron_ | i only see the wired on nm |
| 08:55.22 | Voyager82 | psiklops, how? |
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| 08:56.03 | psiklops | xinit |
| 08:56.18 | psiklops | or startx |
| 08:56.29 | psiklops | Voyager82, ^^^ |
| 08:56.33 | Voyager82 | psiklops, however, when the pc starts, in text mode, part of the text, instead of starting at the beginning of the screen, starts almost in the middle. I think it happens when Nouveau is trying to load the drivers. Is it possible? |
| 08:56.53 | ChrisH | Aaron_: a simple NO is NO answer to an A OR B question! |
| 08:57.07 | Aaron_ | ChrisH, ok, |
| 08:58.04 | psiklops | Voyager82, how did you install your system... manually installing xserver-xorg-??? xorg xinit ? |
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| 08:58.20 | psiklops | main point did you install xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 08:58.22 | psiklops | ? |
| 08:58.30 | Voyager82 | psiklops, I simply upgraded Debian from Squeeze to Wheezy. |
| 08:58.53 | Voyager82 | "apt-get dist-upgrade". |
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| 08:59.19 | Aaron_ | damn network car,d |
| 08:59.32 | Voyager82 | psiklops, I don't know if it's important. I've run also "apt-get dist-upgrade --fix-missing", to solve some problems. Might it be it the problem? |
| 08:59.35 | Aaron_ | i hate the atheros |
| 08:59.40 | psiklops | Voyager82, i am overasked there since i haven't upgraded from Stable to Stable |
| 08:59.47 | psiklops | before |
| 09:00.05 | Voyager82 | psiklops, what do you mean? |
| 09:01.01 | psiklops | Voyager82, you just mention doing a dist-upgrade (old stable to wheezy) on that popint i have no clue |
| 09:01.17 | psiklops | sorry dude |
| 09:01.19 | psiklops | gotta go |
| 09:01.22 | psiklops | good luck |
| 09:01.39 | Voyager82 | psiklops, don't worry. Thank you for your suggestion (web-page). |
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| 09:04.55 | ochiottes | Voyager82: check if you have nouveau installed with 'aptitude search nouveau'. if you find an 'i' in the first column a program is installed, also do this for nvidia proprietary drivers: 'aptitude search nvidia' |
| 09:06.01 | ochiottes | then tell me what's installed on your machine |
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| 09:07.57 | Voyager82 | libdrm-nouveau1 has a "c". And libdrm'nouveau1a has a "i" and an "A". And libdrm'nouveau1a-dbg has a "p". |
| 09:08.02 | Anarch | ,bug rm perl-suid |
| 09:08.05 | judd | Sorry, no removal reasons were found. |
| 09:10.50 | ochiottes | Voyager82: you can scroll up your screen by holding SHIFT and pressing PAGE UP/DOWN |
| 09:12.05 | Voyager82 | ochiottes, how do I remove NVIDIA drivers, if this is the solution? |
| 09:13.18 | ochiottes | Voyager82: do you have nvidia drivers installed? |
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| 09:14.30 | Voyager82 | ochiottes, I don't think so. No package has an "i". |
| 09:14.35 | ochiottes | Voyager82: for your video card you'd need the 96xx legacy driver - but ONLY if you want the proprietary nvidia driver |
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| 09:14.46 | ochiottes | Voyager82: ok, that's ok |
| 09:15.02 | ochiottes | so you want to stick with the nouveau driver? |
| 09:15.34 | Voyager82 | ochiottes, how do I install these drivers? |
| 09:15.44 | SynrGy | ochiottes: this is incorrect, by the way: "if you find an 'i' in the first column a program is installed" |
| 09:15.46 | Voyager82 | Are they going to conflict with Nouveau again? |
| 09:15.47 | ochiottes | nouveau is the open source driver for nvidia cards |
| 09:16.02 | ochiottes | the other one is made by nvidia and is closed source |
| 09:16.12 | Voyager82 | ochiottes, ah. I see. |
| 09:16.19 | ochiottes | :) |
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| 09:16.39 | Voyager82 | But the error message that I get is that Nouveau is not able to find the driver. How is it possible? |
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| 09:17.07 | SynrGy | ochiottes: perform a 'dpkg -l | head' and look at what the very first line of the header says |
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| 09:17.46 | SynrGy | ochiottes: the first column is the 'Desired' state of the package. the second is its 'Status'. an 'i' just means 'I want to install this package' |
| 09:18.02 | Voyager82 | ochiottes, I don't know if a proprietary software is important. I don't run videogames, on anything like that, if it's important. :) |
| 09:18.28 | SynrGy | if you want an unconfusing way to tell if a package is installed, use: |
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| 09:18.32 | SynrGy | apt-cache policy packagename |
| 09:19.13 | SynrGy | then look at the "Installed:" line. if installed, it shows you the version that is installed. if not installed, it says "(none)" |
| 09:19.46 | SynrGy | much less likely a noob will screw up reading this |
| 09:21.06 | Voyager82 | ochiottes, mine is an old computer. I think I'm not interested in proprietary software. How do I remove the proprietary drivers? |
| 09:21.08 | ochiottes | Voyager82: i would try to run 'aptitude -f install' to get your nouveau reconfigured. if that doesn't help reinstall nouveau |
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| 09:23.10 | jordila | dear #debian community : hello, hola |
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| 09:25.06 | jordila | i'm following this instructions https://gist.github.com/4670b71686228749cc5a.git setting my GPG key on Debian 7 |
| 09:25.59 | ochiottes | Voyager82: you have no propreitary drivers installed , as far as i know |
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| 09:26.40 | jordila | but i'm getting stucked in the 'eval $(gpg-agent --daemon)' (after killall -q gpg-agent)... i'm getting '-bash: gpg-agent: command not found |
| 09:26.40 | jordila | ' :-/ What am i missing ? Thanks for your attention |
| 09:26.55 | Voyager82 | ochiottes, well, actually Nouveau says that can't find a specific driver. You may be rght. Therefore, I have to install new drivers. How do I do that? |
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| 09:27.20 | DarkSoul | hello, I just have got a bugfix in unbound, and I would like to file a bug report for the Debian package to take in the fix as a package patch |
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| 09:27.39 | visitor34542 | Hello. For some reason I can not read a directory that I should have acess to. The directory is 774 and I am in the group. |
| 09:27.58 | Voyager82 | ochiottes, however I do have, on my pc, files name *invidia*. This is strange. |
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| 09:28.58 | ochiottes | Voyager82: slowly. what have you done when you got that message and what exactly was the message? |
| 09:29.56 | Voyager82 | ochiottes, I think I've found another "howto". I'll let you know. |
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| 09:30.35 | ochiottes | i'm off now |
| 09:31.46 | Anarch | I do "dpkg -l $pkg" to find out if $pkg is installed, which sometimes gives output like "un $pkg" (which is what I want) and sometimes "dpkg-query: no packages found matching $pkg"; in the latter case, I use "apt-cache search $pkg" to find out whether such a package actually exists. Is there a single command I could use to give a definitive answer to the question "does $pkg exist, and if so, is it installed on this system"? |
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| 09:35.58 | gerforce | Anarch: try "apt-cache policy pkg" |
| 09:36.23 | Anarch | gerforce: Thanks, I'll investigate that now ... |
| 09:36.24 | formorer | Anarch: apt-get install dselect ; dselect update should also work |
| 09:36.34 | formorer | before the dpkg-query |
| 09:37.23 | formorer | Anarch: ah. there is also the sync-available command |
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| 09:37.38 | formorer | Anarch: so: sync-available ; dpkg -l ... should work |
| 09:38.34 | Anarch | gerforce: I see that your suggestion would work. Now I'm moving on to formorer's several ideas; I'll need to read docs on all. Thanks, guys. |
| 09:38.49 | formorer | Anarch: background: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=703092 |
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| 09:39.57 | gerforce | Anarch: yes man pages are important. |
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| 10:36.02 | furhun | Im trying to connect a mobile device to my Debian Laptop |
| 10:36.08 | furhun | its like its not even being detected |
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| 10:38.12 | furhun | yo anyone? |
| 10:38.22 | bhuddah | furhun: hello |
| 10:38.28 | bhuddah | furhun: can you provide more information? |
| 10:38.31 | bhuddah | !ask |
| 10:38.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 10:38.38 | furhun | I cant get Debian to recognize a mobile device i connected via USB bhuddah |
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| 10:40.36 | ectospasm | furhun: does lsusb show the device? |
| 10:40.42 | furhun | never tried. |
| 10:40.44 | furhun | lemme see |
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| 10:40.59 | ectospasm | if it doesn't, that's probably the biggest hurdle. |
| 10:42.11 | furhun | how to use lsusb ? :D |
| 10:42.36 | ectospasm | furhun: are you familiar with a terminal emulator, or the command line interface (CLI)? |
| 10:42.41 | thomaschaaf | hello I have an intel board (nuc) when I plug in the hdmi cable when I am booting the x server is started normally. If how ever after booting I plugin the cable I have to restart nodm. here is the output of xrandr: https://gist.github.com/thomaschaaf/1e3348f589bf3bcc34d2 |
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| 10:43.00 | furhun | ectoplasm yes i am.. just never used lsusb :D |
| 10:43.01 | thomaschaaf | any idea how I can automatically start the x server on plugin? |
| 10:43.53 | furhun | ah sorry ectoplasm.... yes it listed devices |
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| 10:44.12 | ectospasm | furhun: does it list your mobile device, though? |
| 10:44.40 | SynrG | furhun: psst. his nick is 'ectospasm', and most irc clients have tab-completion for nicks. |
| 10:44.41 | ectospasm | furhun: and the name is "ectospasm" not "ectoplasm", if you want to highlight me. Alternatively, say "ecto" |
| 10:45.09 | SynrG | heh |
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| 10:45.27 | furhun | ectopasm... :D well it doesnt list my devices name.. |
| 10:45.47 | ectospasm | nope, lrn2tabcomplete |
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| 10:46.00 | ectospasm | ecto<TAB> usually does what you want, furhun |
| 10:46.16 | furhun | no it doesnt recognize my mobile device :P ectospasm |
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| 10:47.33 | ectospasm | you can check /var/log/{messages,syslog} to see if there are any messages related to it trying. Also, there's dmesg |
| 10:47.49 | gerforce | about iceweasel: when being asked to install a plugin on a webpage, i downloaded and reboot the browser to install. After that when i go to the same page , it still asked me to install although i have got it on my browser and being activate. |
| 10:48.37 | gerforce | the plugin is for TV live. I don't know why? Anybody knows? |
| 10:49.13 | ectospasm | gerforce: does the plugin show in about:plugins? |
| 10:49.24 | ectospasm | if not, then the plugin didn't load. |
| 10:49.27 | furhun | ectospasm: yes dmesg does seem to know the device... but it didnt automatically mount the filesystem? :S |
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| 10:50.01 | ectospasm | furhun: some devices have to go into USB Mass Storage mode first... |
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| 10:51.07 | gerforce | ectospasm: i can see the plugin in : tools ->add-ons-> |
| 10:51.23 | ectospasm | and it's enabled? |
| 10:51.47 | furhun | ectospasm: thats the thing.. i do set it to mass storage.. and it seems like doing this causes the device so sorta disconnnect: e.g. [ 3225.023143] usb 2-2: USB disconnect, device number 16 |
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| 10:56.07 | gerforce | ectospasm: yes it is enabled |
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| 10:57.01 | ectospasm | I dunno then. I don't usually use iceweasel, so I can't help beyond that, gerforce |
| 10:57.03 | vadmeste_ | Hello. Do you think it is possible to install a chrooted debian 32 bits besides my debian 64 bits ? |
| 10:57.49 | ectospasm | vadmeste_: I don't see why not, but it's not something I have experience with. Would a virtual machine sandbox (kvm, vbox, etc.) be a better fit for your application? |
| 10:58.02 | gerforce | ectospasm: that's ok |
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| 10:59.19 | gerforce | ectospasm: it confuses me these days so that i have to change to win7 to see the football match. |
| 10:59.27 | petn-randall | gerforce: You can use debootstrap to create a 32 bit chroot. A "safer" way with higher overhead in terms of encapsulation would be a VM though. Really depends on what you're planning to do. |
| 10:59.59 | ectospasm | vadmeste_: ^ |
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| 11:01.14 | vadmeste_ | ectospasm, petn-randall: I have a framework which seems to have many problems with a 64 bits distro.. |
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| 11:02.52 | SynrGy | vadmeste_: not solvable with multiarch? |
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| 11:03.54 | SynrGy | vadmeste_: multiarch would be my first choice, but if not workable, my vote is with a VM, as others here suggested. |
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| 11:05.02 | hroi | hi debian people |
| 11:05.32 | hroi | not sure if this is a good forum, it relates to load average on linux |
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| 11:06.01 | hroi | perhaps kernel is better... but debian is most common linux webserver |
| 11:06.14 | SynrGy | hroi: if it's about debian support, it's on-topic. otherwise, elsewhere |
| 11:06.50 | meek_geek | which the best programming lang editor for debian ? |
| 11:06.52 | meek_geek | esp. for JS |
| 11:06.54 | hroi | SynrGy, I think bluehost uses debian -- only I think they just bull**** me regarding "load average" |
| 11:07.06 | SynrGy | hroi: google will help with that |
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| 11:07.27 | SynrGy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_(computing) |
| 11:07.29 | SynrGy | etc. |
| 11:07.37 | hroi | SynrGy, yeah,... Im pretty sure I understand load average actually |
| 11:07.56 | hroi | SynrGy, and after reading thoroughly, Im pretty sure Ive been bull****. |
| 11:08.22 | hroi | SynrGy, but Im not an experiences sysadmin, especially relating to linux with apache running |
| 11:08.35 | petn-randall | hroi: So .... your question is? |
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| 11:08.42 | hroi | http://www.pasteall.org/52616 |
| 11:08.46 | hroi | is this bull**** |
| 11:08.48 | hroi | ? |
| 11:09.01 | hroi | I say, yes it is!.... any seconds on that? |
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| 11:10.24 | hroi | those guys are happy with load average 100+.... even 1000!!!! on a system with only 8 cores :) |
| 11:10.28 | hroi | what the heck |
| 11:10.49 | hroi | shouldnt I be packing my bags... something Im missing? |
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| 11:10.56 | petn-randall | hroi: I'm still not understanding what this has to do with Debian ... |
| 11:11.39 | petn-randall | hroi: And "load" doesn't equate to *CPU* utilization alone, read again the wiki page. |
| 11:11.41 | hroi | petn-randall, only has to do with debian, in that I think they use debian, and they are talking about apache and linux load average on debian system they run |
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| 11:12.41 | hroi | petn-randall, you mean cpu load average? |
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| 11:12.51 | hroi | Im only talking about cpu load average |
| 11:13.27 | WizardGed | hey guy's my release file expired for my mirror any idea how to update it? |
| 11:13.35 | petn-randall | hroi: But you don't have the numbers for cpu load, this is 'load'. |
| 11:13.49 | petn-randall | as in "system load". |
| 11:14.36 | SynrGy | hroi: there is no such statistic "cpu load average" (or if there is, it's not what we usually mean by 'load average'). so apparently you don't understand. |
| 11:14.54 | fffuuuL | Hi |
| 11:14.56 | SynrGy | hroi: and the link you pasted looks like a perfectly reasonable response |
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| 11:15.16 | SynrGy | hroi: are we done now? do you have another debian support question? |
| 11:15.17 | hroi | SynrGy, petn-randall : ok sorry, maybe I didnt get it then, Im going by this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_%28computing%29 |
| 11:15.26 | fffuuuL | I want to run Genymotion on Debian 7, i downloaded the Ubuntu package of it an now i have version dependencies wrong |
| 11:15.35 | SynrGy | fffuuuL: nooooo |
| 11:15.52 | petn-randall | hroi: Yes, that even says in the first paragraph that it's "system load". |
| 11:15.54 | SynrGy | fffuuuL: distro mixing is *absolutely* not supported. |
| 11:15.54 | hroi | SynrGy, petn-randall , not Im happy... I think I will go with 100+ load on my server also.... just I thought it was feeling super slow at that laod :) |
| 11:15.56 | fffuuuL | I tried to get a newer libc6 from testing but then ld-linux.so doesnt fit anymore |
| 11:16.04 | SynrGy | fffuuuL: don't. just don't. |
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| 11:16.13 | hroi | super super slow... so thought it had something to do with processes not being run on time |
| 11:16.13 | fffuuuL | So if i LD_PRELOAD the newer ld-linux it will crash with a segfault |
| 11:16.14 | SynrGy | fffuuuL: obtain the source package and try to build it for debian. |
| 11:16.15 | hroi | due to load |
| 11:16.16 | WizardGed | anyone know how i might update my release files? |
| 11:16.24 | fffuuuL | SynrGy: Hmm okay |
| 11:16.28 | fffuuuL | SynrGy: no other idea? |
| 11:16.38 | SynrGy | fffuuuL: anything else is an utter waste of time. |
| 11:16.39 | fffuuuL | SynrGy: some black magic? |
| 11:16.46 | petn-randall | hroi: It probably is, but you'll have to identify what the bottleneck is, it's not necessarily the CPU, my first guess is the disk. What does 'top' give you? |
| 11:16.53 | SynrGy | fffuuuL: even if you could make it work (and chances are low) i would consider your system *broken* |
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| 11:17.09 | hroi | petn-randall, top gives me the same numbers... also uptime |
| 11:17.18 | hroi | petn-randall, its only 8 core system mind you |
| 11:17.35 | hroi | petn-randall, they told me the truth... I should be happy with 100+ in load |
| 11:17.39 | fffuuuL | SynrGy: Why broken? |
| 11:17.48 | WizardGed | 1446 people in here and not a one can even point me in the right direction with a link? |
| 11:17.53 | fffuuuL | SynrGy: I dont plan to replace system files |
| 11:18.01 | fffuuuL | but add new system files and adjust paths |
| 11:18.07 | hroi | petn-randall, thats the important thing... I wasnt bull**** :) just i have to figure out what else is related |
| 11:18.27 | petn-randall | hroi: I'm not saying you shouldn't be "happy" with it, you just don't understand what load means. If a process is waiting for the CPU, it adds 1 to the load. But also the same if a process is waiting for a block being read from the disk. |
| 11:18.50 | Twinkletoes | WizardGed: Pissing people off won't help you get an answer either. Let me look back to see what you asked. Like most people here, I'm working - helpign here is voluntary |
| 11:18.50 | hroi | petn-randall, ok, got it is i/o related as well |
| 11:19.16 | hroi | petn-randall, so in a way... 100 system load can be a worse thing than 100 cpu bridge only |
| 11:19.26 | petn-randall | hroi: And if you do number crunching on that machine, a higher load is ok whereas on an interactive system serving web pages it might not be. |
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| 11:19.51 | hroi | petn-randall, exactly... ok, i/o could be in shambles but cpu working fine |
| 11:20.19 | Twinkletoes | WizardGed: Google is your friend... for example: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/2544/how-to-work-around-apts-release-file-expired-problem-on-a-local-mirror . The answer there says "If the release file isn't valid anymore, you should run debmirror again to check if there are any changes in the repository. One change will be the release file and you will get a new validity for it." |
| 11:20.26 | SynrGy | fffuuuL: isn't the crap you've experienced so far proof enough you're doing something wrong? |
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| 11:20.28 | WizardGed | Twinkletoes, would you have me spam the channel like a 3 year old? |
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| 11:20.53 | Twinkletoes | WizardGed: Nah, but sarcastic comments will just make people ignore you. IF noone answers - jsut wait a few mintues and ask again |
| 11:21.23 | fffuuuL | SynrGy: exactly this is the reason i ask for help, i havnt found the source yet so i think about solutions how to make it work |
| 11:21.26 | SynrGy | fffuuuL: neither debian nor ubuntu will help you with this. and continuing to mix distros like that puts your whole system in question, because packages made for one distro are meant *only for that distro* and can cause unintended consequences for the rest of the system *even if* they are not "system packages" |
| 11:21.26 | WizardGed | and i read that that doesnt answer my question |
| 11:21.28 | hroi | petn-randall, I guess Im getting less happy with their analysis of the system. They did not try to figure out if its io related. Best if they didnt have silly load figures at all... I should probably pack my bags. |
| 11:21.54 | SynrGy | fffuuuL: where "help you with this" == installing a binary from another distro |
| 11:22.00 | WizardGed | Twinkletoes, that only works around it i dont have debmirror installed |
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| 11:22.28 | SynrGy | fffuuuL: no source? ask the software vendor to support your OS |
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| 11:22.56 | SynrGy | fffuuuL: or else run the software on an OS they support. |
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| 11:23.07 | fffuuuL | SynrGy: that's possible but not a solution i can apply instanlty :) |
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| 11:23.16 | SynrGy | fffuuuL: but it's the only *sane* solution |
| 11:23.33 | hroi | petn-randall, is there a way I can break down that system load number into cpu bridge, disk i/o, and other? |
| 11:23.41 | SynrGy | fffuuuL: 1. don't use the software (that would be my vote) 2. run the software on a supported OS 3. ask the vendor to support your OS |
| 11:24.02 | SynrGy | fffuuuL: these are your reasonable choices. not interested in discussing any other solutions. if they provide no source ... |
| 11:24.13 | SynrGy | they're not off to a good start. |
| 11:24.23 | Twinkletoes | WizardGed: Are you saying that you want to upgrade to a newer major version? |
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| 11:25.11 | Extensa5630G | !umask |
| 11:25.11 | dpkg | The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permission. Ask me about <umask example>, <set default umask>. |
| 11:25.36 | Extensa5630G | /q's dpkg |
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| 11:26.22 | SynrGy | hroi: there's no "breaking down" the load average. it simply doesn't summarize those other things. you need different tools for that. vmstat, top, iostat, etc. |
| 11:26.24 | WizardGed | Twinkletoes, no my release file expired on my mirror I don't have debmirror installed so i cant update the mirror so i was going to wget what i had to and manipulate the files myself |
| 11:27.24 | SynrGy | hroi: load average isn't useless. it's a quick sanity check (if you're used to what 'normal' load average is for a given system, then an 'abnormal' load average could indicate problems worth further investigation) |
| 11:27.31 | WizardGed | Twinkletoes, to do so i have to know the source of my problem which i really don't. |
| 11:28.21 | WizardGed | Twinkletoes, all id like to know is what file where is causing me problems and ill take care of the rest. |
| 11:28.25 | SynrGy | hroi: but since you only "think" they run debian, we really can't help. if you have a shell on a confirmed "yes this is debian" host, we can help with the commandline tools to investigate. :) |
| 11:28.29 | hroi | SynrGy, petn-randall : thanks, I'm much better informed now, I will look into those other tools. |
| 11:28.35 | Twinkletoes | WizardGed: Ah... /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:29.03 | Twinkletoes | WizardGed: And you can choose your mirror information from here: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 11:29.14 | hroi | SynrGy, I have ssh access, but its sheltered environment |
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| 11:29.31 | hroi | SynrGy, can run most non-invasive admin tools |
| 11:29.33 | SynrGy | hroi: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
| 11:29.44 | hroi | SynrGy, etc folder blocked |
| 11:29.48 | hroi | or most things in it |
| 11:29.52 | SynrGy | what does "uname -a" say |
| 11:30.14 | hroi | Linux box427.bluehost.com 3.4.91-20140518.1.ul6.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun May 18 16:21:38 EDT 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 11:30.34 | WizardGed | Twinkletoes, I tried that changing mirrors didn't seem to help. that's why i want to know where the darn release file is so i can destroy it and wget a new one from the mirror |
| 11:30.50 | SynrGy | hroi: so the host kernel is definitely not a stock debian kernel. doesn't prove anything though |
| 11:31.09 | hroi | linuxes are all too similar |
| 11:31.16 | SynrGy | hroi: how about "lsb_release -a" |
| 11:31.33 | hroi | no lsb_release in path |
| 11:32.06 | hroi | SynrGy, hey found it |
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| 11:32.27 | hroi | SynrGy, more /proc/version .... Linux version 3.4.91-20140518.1.ul6.x86_64 (machbuild@kernelbuild.bluehost.com) |
| 11:32.28 | hroi | (gcc version 4.4.7 20120313 (Red Hat 4.4.7-4) (GCC) ) #1 SMP Sun May 18 16:21:38 EDT 2014 |
| 11:32.35 | hroi | SynrGy, Sorry! |
| 11:32.41 | hroi | didn't know... |
| 11:32.54 | SynrGy | hroi: still doesn't say what the OS running on top of that kernel is. |
| 11:32.56 | hroi | now you can kick me |
| 11:33.09 | hroi | ok, redhat kernel |
| 11:33.33 | SynrGy | not a 'pure' debian in any case :/ anyway, good luck. |
| 11:33.39 | hroi | maybe there is more general gnu linux channel |
| 11:33.48 | SynrGy | ##linux |
| 11:33.52 | hroi | :) |
| 11:33.54 | hroi | cheers |
| 11:33.56 | SynrGy | later |
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| 11:34.53 | WizardGed | wishes there was an apt channel |
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| 11:36.51 | WizardGed | i don't mean to be a bother but does anyone know where the release files are stored in debians FSH |
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| 11:37.04 | Twinkletoes | WizardGed: /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg? |
| 11:37.13 | SynrGy | WizardGed: /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 11:37.17 | Twinkletoes | Wizard I'm sorta guessing here, but still looking |
| 11:37.34 | SynrGy | WizardGed: you can safely remove those and apt-get update and it will restore them from latest copies available at your mirror |
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| 11:38.54 | SynrGy | WizardGed: if the mirror is broken, ask the admins to fix it. if your system is broken (doesn't trust the keys) then update your keys. |
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| 11:39.24 | WizardGed | Im just doing that ill tell you results in a minute |
| 11:39.43 | SynrGy | WizardGed: which debian release? |
| 11:39.58 | WizardGed | testing atm |
| 11:39.58 | SynrGy | WizardGed: could we see the output of your 'apt-cache policy' in a pastebin? |
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| 11:42.00 | SynrGy | WizardGed: also, see apt.conf, ACQUIRE GROUP, all the settings with 'Valid' in them |
| 11:42.40 | WizardGed | well apt cache policy is super short |
| 11:42.55 | SynrGy | WizardGed: and apt-get "-o" to set specific apt conf options for just one command |
| 11:43.42 | SynrGy | if the mirror stopped updating, though, you really should use a different mirror |
| 11:44.24 | SynrGy | WizardGed: can we see the apt-cache policy? and even if short, use http://paste.debian.net/ please |
| 11:44.36 | SynrGy | this may help: |
| 11:44.37 | SynrGy | !nopaste |
| 11:44.38 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 11:44.48 | WizardGed | http://paste.debian.net/108115/ |
| 11:45.15 | WizardGed | sorry was using pastebin.ca but it's painfully slow |
| 11:45.16 | SynrGy | ah. fun. so failed to 'apt-get update' |
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| 11:45.32 | SynrGy | and what about the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:46.48 | WizardGed | http://paste.debian.net/108116/ |
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| 11:47.11 | SynrGy | WizardGed: and the output from 'apt-get update' |
| 11:47.59 | SynrGy | WizardGed: and if that command didn't produce errors, the output of 'apt-cache policy' afterwards. |
| 11:48.05 | WizardGed | http://paste.debian.net/108117/ |
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| 11:48.38 | SynrGy | remove jessie-updates |
| 11:48.40 | SynrGy | there aren't any |
| 11:48.45 | WizardGed | ok |
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| 11:49.02 | SynrGy | that's "volatile" and is only supported for stable |
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| 11:49.13 | SynrGy | it's nonsensical for testing :) |
| 11:49.29 | SynrGy | i guess it exists in the archive and just has never been updated since creation |
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| 11:49.46 | WizardGed | i see |
| 11:49.53 | SynrGy | causing problems for apt (see the apt.conf man page section i pointed you at for an explanation as to why being out of date is a problem) |
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| 11:50.46 | SynrGy | after removal of those lines, apt-get update should succeed, and apt-cache policy should now have reasonable contents. |
| 11:51.06 | SynrGy | incidentally, see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net for further testing/unstable support. |
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| 11:51.08 | Extensa5630G | what does apt-cache dumpavail ? |
| 11:51.15 | Extensa5630G | *do? |
| 11:51.29 | SynrGy | Extensa5630G: the man page was no help? |
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| 11:51.41 | Extensa5630G | SynrGy: yeah, unfortunately |
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| 11:52.03 | Extensa5630G | SynrGy: it just stated it in an unclear context :P |
| 11:52.26 | Extensa5630G | SynrGy: ah sorry, "dumpavail prints out an available list to stdout. This is suitable for use |
| 11:52.30 | Extensa5630G | " |
| 11:52.31 | SynrGy | Extensa5630G: do you have a problem you're trying to solve involving this command? |
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| 11:52.58 | SynrGy | it's not something a user would normally need |
| 11:53.03 | Extensa5630G | SynrGy: no, i'm reading debian-handbook book, and i encountered that command in the current chapter |
| 11:53.17 | SynrGy | i see. |
| 11:53.24 | Extensa5630G | SynrGy: i would like to hear others' opinions about it anyway sir. |
| 11:53.28 | WizardGed | Thank you SynrGy and Twinkletoes, i had been frustrated as im working shift work this summer for school and seeing this after work everyday did nothing but depress me |
| 11:53.43 | SynrGy | WizardGed: you're welcome. |
| 11:53.45 | Twinkletoes | WizardGed: SOrted, then? |
| 11:53.52 | sandman13 | what would deleting vmlinuz.old result into? I upgraded from Stable to Testing (on a VM) |
| 11:54.00 | WizardGed | yeah i had to remove security as well |
| 11:54.02 | SynrGy | Extensa5630G: opinions? the doc seems clear enough to me |
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| 11:55.00 | abrotman | sandman13: that's a symlink |
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| 11:56.54 | SynrGy | Extensa5630G: what part do you still not understand? the meaning of "available list"? |
| 11:57.53 | SynrGy | Extensa5630G: if you're not using the 'deselect method' (who would, these days?) it is not a terribly useful thing to do |
| 11:58.03 | sandman13 | abrotman: there are two kernels then 3.2 and 3.14 would that have any effect on the system |
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| 12:00.19 | Extensa5630G | SynrGy: I'll move on and get back for it later, it seems to be a thingy that i might not have to worry about |
| 12:00.28 | SynrGy | Extensa5630G: here's some clarification: dpkg has its own database of available packages. apt has its own. apt can communicate back to dselect (which originally only used dpkg as a back-end, but can use apt as well) ... |
| 12:00.28 | Extensa5630G | continues reading the book |
| 12:01.01 | SynrGy | Extensa5630G: through apt-cache dumpavail, it can provide to dselect a list of available packages that it can use, since it was expecting it in this format from dpkg instead. |
| 12:01.15 | SynrGy | Extensa5630G: is that clearer? |
| 12:02.10 | Sec | Man, I love Debian |
| 12:02.20 | SynrGy | Extensa5630G: if you want to understand more, see dselect's man page (and note that 'apt' method is now default for dselect and recommended :) |
| 12:02.43 | abrotman | sandman13: you're removing a symlink .. what are you actually trying to do? |
| 12:02.47 | SynrGy | Extensa5630G: but dselect is sooo archaic. i wouldn't recommend it except for people who love nostalgia :) |
| 12:02.55 | abrotman | or pain |
| 12:02.59 | SynrGy | or pain |
| 12:03.06 | SynrGy | which sometimes resembles nostalgia |
| 12:03.08 | Extensa5630G | SynrGy: Um', I'm learning anyway :) |
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| 12:03.24 | Sec | SynrGy: that's what the systemd folk say about everything else |
| 12:03.31 | SynrGy | heh |
| 12:03.39 | SynrGy | Sec: and who's to say they're wrong? |
| 12:03.58 | Sec | I am not informed enough about systemd to form an opinion |
| 12:04.04 | SynrGy | Sec: but systemd rants > /dev/null in any case |
| 12:04.15 | Sec | Same here brother |
| 12:04.39 | Sec | I'll decide if I want to use it when I get the time to research some |
| 12:04.53 | sandman13 | abrotman: nothing just testing out, wondering what would happen if I deleted the previous kernel v3.2 |
| 12:05.05 | Sec | Pretty sure the shitstorm means it has certain pros and cons (like everything else ever) |
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| 12:05.26 | abrotman | sandman13: do you understand what a symlink is? |
| 12:05.27 | E00650074006F | Your linux will get error |
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| 12:05.43 | Extensa5630G | SynrGy: i encountered the command in the context of installing a list of packages on several computers, as it was mentioned in the book anyway, sir: http://i.imgur.com/nCaGrDi.png |
| 12:05.46 | E00650074006F | no |
| 12:05.52 | sandman13 | abrotman: yes I do, it's a pointer to the original file |
| 12:05.55 | abrotman | E00650074006F: Do you need help with Debian? |
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| 12:06.09 | abrotman | sandman13: so removing it does nothing .. if you want to remove the old kernel, just do it |
| 12:06.14 | E00650074006F | No thanks |
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| 12:06.52 | sandman13 | abrotman: can the old kernel provide me a fallback mode? |
| 12:06.59 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 12:07.00 | SynrGy | Extensa5630G: i see. so it's being used there because of the mixture of dpkg and apt commands. it's basically just translating info from one form to another so they can be merged. |
| 12:07.46 | Extensa5630G | SynrGy: so there are two entities in Debian responsible for managing the packages, dpkg and apt? |
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| 12:08.09 | sandman13 | abrotman: it does, yes great thing |
| 12:08.20 | SynrGy | Extensa5630G: yes. dpkg is *always* used, regardless. but apt has the smarts for managing different repositories. |
| 12:08.42 | SynrGy | Extensa5630G: so the old 'dpkg available list' is not really useful, since it fails to consider all the repos apt knows about |
| 12:08.55 | SynrGy | not really useful to apt, i mean |
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| 12:09.49 | Extensa5630G | SynrGy: My knowledge about dpkg and apt is that we use dpkg to install a ready .deb package, while we use apt to install from the repositories :p |
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| 12:10.03 | SynrGy | Extensa5630G: to (over?)simplify, dpkg knows about the states of packages currently or formerly installed on your system, but little else. apt knows about the whole universe of available packages. |
| 12:10.08 | WizardGed | umm SynrGy, can i bother you im getting a hash sum mismatch as seen http://paste.debian.net/108122/ and i've tried this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15505775/debian-apt-packages-hash-sum-mismatch |
| 12:10.18 | sandman13 | btw abrotman do I need some level of expertise to run testing branch? |
| 12:11.00 | SynrGy | Extensa5630G: once upon a time, dselect managed 'available' packages differently from apt, solely using dpkg as a backend, and populating its available list from the sources it knew about. |
| 12:11.01 | Sec | No sandman13, if you can run stable, you should be fine with testing |
| 12:11.36 | SynrGy | Extensa5630G: that is no longer the case, even *if* you are a throwback who still uses dselect, because apt is used as the default backend for dselect now. |
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| 12:12.05 | SynrGy | WizardGed: throw away the contents of /var/lib/apt/lists/ and try again? |
| 12:12.12 | abrotman | sandman13: I doubt you have it, but we can't stop you |
| 12:12.13 | Extensa5630G | SynrGy: I see. |
| 12:12.25 | SynrGy | WizardGed: how out of date are you? i thought a newer apt fixed that |
| 12:12.53 | sandman13 | Sec: my knowledge with Linux is somewhat intermediate and I don't know how bug is fixed, btw someone told me that inorder to switch to testing branch I need to have a good knowledge about packaging |
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| 12:13.15 | SynrGy | Sec: er, what? that's not what we generally advise. please don't mislead stable users like that. |
| 12:13.17 | WizardGed | SynrGy: i've done so twice but maybe 3rd times the charm? |
| 12:13.21 | SynrGy | WizardGed: no |
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| 12:13.46 | WizardGed | SynrGy, 15 days at most |
| 12:13.48 | SynrGy | ,v apt |
| 12:13.49 | judd | Package: apt on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 0.8.10.3+squeeze2; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 0.9.7.9+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u2; jessie: 1.0.5; sid: 1.0.5; experimental: 1.1~exp1 |
| 12:13.56 | SynrGy | WizardGed: which apt version do you have? |
| 12:14.02 | WizardGed | one sev |
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| 12:14.23 | WizardGed | 1.0.3 |
| 12:14.26 | SynrGy | WizardGed: in any case, there is a workaround if it's still not solved. but i'd have to dig it up |
| 12:14.52 | SynrGy | lagging behind a bit but not too horribly out of date |
| 12:15.49 | E00650074006F | how i know get version with a program in debian? |
| 12:16.19 | SynrGy | WizardGed: try apt-get -o 'Acquire::CompressionTypes::Order:: "gz";' update |
| 12:16.36 | E00650074006F | got |
| 12:16.38 | sandman13 | E00650074006F: pkg --version does the trick most of the time |
| 12:17.14 | SynrGy | E00650074006F: do you really mean the program version or the debian package version, which is something else? |
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| 12:17.32 | WizardGed | it says it must have must have an =<val> |
| 12:17.53 | SynrGy | WizardGed: there may be a typo in the man page then :) |
| 12:18.14 | E00650074006F | no |
| 12:18.37 | WizardGed | SynrGy: no prob |
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| 12:20.09 | Kenjiro | good morning/afternoon/evening |
| 12:20.26 | SynrGy | WizardGed: or in any case, a difference between the variables as described in apt.conf and the actual syntax needed to use them in an argument to -o, so do: |
| 12:20.30 | WizardGed | SynrGy: yeah when i ran apt-get -o 'Acquire::CompressionTypes::Order:: ="gz";' update i get the same hash sum mismatch |
| 12:20.31 | SynrGy | apt-get -o 'Acquire::CompressionTypes::Order:: = "gz";' update |
| 12:20.41 | SynrGy | fun |
| 12:20.56 | SynrGy | i forget what the other workaround(s) were |
| 12:21.04 | SynrGy | all in the bug# |
| 12:21.47 | WizardGed | SynrGy: so this is a bug anyway? |
| 12:22.02 | E00650074006F | who now portuguese there are this for help www.guiafoca.org |
| 12:22.16 | SynrGy | ,bug #624122 |
| 12:22.17 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/624122 in apt (open, moreinfo): «Hash Sum mismatch»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-04-25; last modified: 2014-05-07. |
| 12:22.33 | Kenjiro | guys, I have a SheevaPlug (very small computer with an ARM processor). I have been running Debian on it for a long time. Now I installed TightVNCServer and almost everything is OK. But when I try to run iceweasel, I get "Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":1.0" |
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| 12:22.37 | SynrGy | WizardGed: and skim down to the bottom, comment #151, which is where we are right now :p |
| 12:22.49 | WizardGed | ahh |
| 12:22.51 | Kenjiro | any hints on how to solve that? I have been searching around but nothing I found solved the issue :( |
| 12:23.15 | abrotman | shocker .. he spammed |
| 12:23.20 | SynrGy | WizardGed: and wtf? still trying xz even though we said to only try gz? |
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| 12:24.00 | WizardGed | is this fixed in a newer apt version? |
| 12:24.06 | SynrGy | WizardGed: please switch from ftp.debian.org to http.debian.net |
| 12:24.18 | SynrGy | WizardGed: well, the bug is still open, so ... |
| 12:25.11 | Extensa5630G | isn't there a way to update a specific installed piece of software with CLI? |
| 12:25.17 | SynrGy | WizardGed: see the last three comments on the bug :/ |
| 12:25.25 | Extensa5630G | i know only about updating the packages list |
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| 12:27.08 | meek_geek | I installed libreoffice and language tool extension it is giving me (com.sun.star.uno.RuntimeExpection) error |
| 12:27.14 | WizardGed | SynrGy: tried replacing ftp with http in FQDN no dice |
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| 12:29.07 | abrotman | WizardGed: http.debian.net .. not http.debian.org |
| 12:29.35 | WizardGed | SynrGy: I DID IT |
| 12:29.46 | abrotman | applauds Dora .. |
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| 12:30.22 | WizardGed | SynrGY: I changed to ftp:// from Http:// |
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| 12:32.27 | WizardGed | SynrGy: apt must be screwing up the transport level crap |
| 12:32.32 | SynrGy | WizardGed: straaange |
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| 12:32.53 | SynrGy | but in any case, i do recommend http.debian.net over ftp.debian.org |
| 12:33.08 | WizardGed | ok ill try that |
| 12:33.20 | SynrGy | and switch it back to http:// method |
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| 12:34.19 | SynrGy | either that, or choose a local mirror. but if it's a laptop and moves around a lot, it's handy to use the http directory to always choose the 'best' mirror for wherever you are |
| 12:34.29 | SynrGy | s/directory/redirector/ |
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| 12:35.20 | Kenjiro | PiterPunk: cara, TEMPOS ATRAS eu rodava tightvncserver no meu, tudo funcionava bem. Andei precisando reinstalar a criança (pq o cartão SD fumou). Daà botei o tightvncserver de novo, beleza. Porém não consigo abrir o navegador (iceweasel) dentro dele. Rec "Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":1.0". Ja revirei o google e não consigo achar solução pra isso :( |
| 12:35.37 | Kenjiro | oops, sorry |
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| 12:35.40 | sandman13 | send RST |
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| 12:36.23 | WizardGed | SynrGy: did that, works flawlessly now. Thank you so mutch |
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| 12:36.59 | SynrGy | WizardGed: np |
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| 12:37.12 | WizardGed | SynrGy: that has to be a problem with the mirror |
| 12:37.25 | SynrGy | i don't know. read the long and sordid story of the bug |
| 12:38.12 | SynrGy | i'm no longer sure i understand anything about it :) |
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| 12:38.32 | SynrGy | it took me by surprise there are still recurrences of this :p |
| 12:39.16 | Sec | http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ works well for me |
| 12:39.52 | mr_foobar_baz | my daily backups just saved my ass big time. as usual i eventually managed to screw up my entire system. phew. |
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| 12:42.14 | SynrGy | i'm not sure in practice what the advantage is of one over the other. details at https://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror |
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| 12:42.50 | SynrGy | that page says everything except "why, as a user, might i prefer one of these over the other?" :) |
| 12:42.52 | mr_foobar_baz | why does aptitude -f install want to install/remove a bunch of packages while apt-get -f install does not? |
| 12:42.56 | SynrGy | sigh. typical |
| 12:43.19 | abrotman | mr_foobar_baz: different problem resoloution algorthymtmmmrhm |
| 12:43.55 | SynrGy | buried two clicks in: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/03/msg00788.html |
| 12:44.10 | SynrGy | the information is there. just have to dig |
| 12:44.23 | mr_foobar_baz | abrotman: k, thx |
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| 12:55.22 | rabbel | Hey guys. I have some questions about my preseeding which is failing. Is this the right place to ask or is there an other channel? |
| 12:56.38 | SynrGy | just ask |
| 12:57.06 | SynrGy | either we can answer or we can't. so long as it's debian support, we try our best to answer. |
| 12:57.27 | rabbel | I'll start with my first issue. I am unable to detect my eth0 interface if I preseed it. If I try it manually it just works. So this is my preseed: |
| 12:57.33 | rabbel | #d-i netcfg/enable boolean false |
| 12:57.33 | rabbel | d-i netcfg/choose_interface select eth0 |
| 12:57.33 | rabbel | d-i netcfg/hostname string preseed-server |
| 12:57.33 | rabbel | d-i mirror/http/proxy string |
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| 12:57.37 | Nik05 | lol |
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| 12:57.40 | Sec | lol |
| 12:57.42 | rabbel | :-) |
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| 12:57.53 | babilen | hands rabbel once http://paste.debian.net |
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| 12:58.38 | rabbel | So this is my preseed: http://paste.debian.net/108127/ |
| 12:59.03 | rabbel | It's actually not much for the networking part. Am I missing something? |
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| 12:59.52 | SynrGy | rabbel: does your hardware require non-free firmware? if so, did it prompt for it before you tried "manually" detecting? |
| 13:00.44 | rabbel | All I remember is that it asked for a driver which wasn't located on the USB |
| 13:00.48 | rabbel | But I ignored that |
| 13:01.23 | babilen | rabbel: You should also set an actual mirror rather then leave d-i mirror/http/proxy string empty (if you use a mirror that is) |
| 13:01.38 | babilen | rabbel: Is this PXE? |
| 13:01.43 | SynrGy | rabbel: and is the preseed included on the local media? |
| 13:01.57 | SynrGy | for obvious reasons you can't load the preseed file across the network :) |
| 13:02.09 | babilen | heh |
| 13:02.11 | rabbel | SynrGy: it is. |
| 13:02.19 | SynrGy | (and the appendix warns about this) |
| 13:02.23 | rabbel | The rest of the preseed works. |
| 13:02.25 | babilen | I guess that answers my question too m( |
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| 13:02.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell rabbel -about firmware image |
| 13:02.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell rabbel -about installer firmware |
| 13:02.58 | SynrGy | so review https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en and see if you missed anything else important |
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| 13:04.13 | babilen | "d-i hw-detect/load_firmware boolean true" in particular (you will have to provide it though) |
| 13:04.51 | rabbel | babilen: if I just install it, and ignore the load_firmware question, the installer just completes and everything works. |
| 13:05.05 | babilen | And that is a problem? |
| 13:05.21 | rabbel | have a sec, I'll paste my whole preseed. |
| 13:05.35 | babilen | rabbel: "and everything works" sounds rather good |
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| 13:06.50 | rabbel | babilen: it does, without my preseed. |
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| 13:09.26 | rabbel | So this is my full preseed: http://paste.debian.net/108129 As you see, babilen, I added some mirror settings on line 13 and next. |
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| 13:13.45 | brontosaurusrex | is aurora the most bleeding edge here http://mozilla.debian.net/ ? |
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| 13:14.41 | ikanobori | it's the most recent version in that list yes |
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| 13:16.33 | mr_foobar_baz | brontosaurusrex: there's also nightly if you are talking about firefox |
| 13:16.55 | brontosaurusrex | for daily use, do i want beta or aurora? |
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| 13:18.25 | abrotman | brontosaurusrex: probably 'release' |
| 13:18.40 | brontosaurusrex | right |
| 13:18.53 | brontosaurusrex | what if i'am hot on the new ui? |
| 13:19.06 | abrotman | which version are you running now? |
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| 13:19.30 | abrotman | brontosaurusrex: and which version of Debian are you using? |
| 13:19.37 | brontosaurusrex | abrotman, beta (31.0) |
| 13:19.41 | brontosaurusrex | wheezy |
| 13:19.52 | abrotman | brontosaurusrex: so that's the new UI, right ? |
| 13:20.01 | brontosaurusrex | yes |
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| 13:20.29 | abrotman | is confused on the problem .. |
| 13:21.00 | heftig-z | when building a native package, is the version number available in a way I can use in AC_INIT, so that the built program automatically inherits the package version? |
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| 13:21.23 | brontosaurusrex | abrotman, no problem actually, i was just wondering what you people use for daily browsing |
| 13:21.39 | brontosaurusrex | getting away from chrome, its just too much for this machine with a gig of ram |
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| 13:22.31 | abrotman | isn't sure IW is the way to go |
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| 13:23.04 | brontosaurusrex | well, i can always use elinks, if that is the point? |
| 13:24.15 | mr_foobar_baz | brontosaurusrex: I use regular iceweasel, but I've got plenty of RAM. I guess you could look at lightweight browsers like midori and gnome's "web" |
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| 13:24.57 | brontosaurusrex | mr_foobar_baz, i dont really like any of them |
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| 13:25.09 | brontosaurusrex | midori could pass, but there is no smooth scrolling |
| 13:25.14 | brontosaurusrex | ect |
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| 13:25.58 | mr_foobar_baz | some more you could try: konqueror, opera, epiphany |
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| 13:26.55 | kalpu | Hi, I'm using debian-testing and installed gnome desktop by installing task-gnome-desktop. How do I purge the whole gnome-desktop with all its programs? |
| 13:26.58 | mr_foobar_baz | some I never heard used: dooble, netsurf, seamonkey, qupzilla, xxxterm |
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| 13:28.11 | mr_foobar_baz | kalpu: some options I know: "aptitude remove ~ngnome", "aptitude remove <some package that they all depend on>" |
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| 13:28.31 | somiaj | kalpu: have you tried to remove task-gnome-desktop package with aptitude? |
| 13:29.14 | somiaj | though if all the task does is install the meta package gnome, removing that should remove everythign else that was automatically isntalled with that package |
| 13:29.27 | mr_foobar_baz | brontosaurusrex: some more: rekonq, uzbl, w3m |
| 13:29.36 | mr_foobar_baz | brontosaurusrex: found one you like? :) |
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| 13:31.17 | mr_foobar_baz | brontosaurusrex: dillo, if i didn't mention it yet. |
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| 13:34.17 | poeticrpm | brontosaurusrex, uzbl should definitely work well |
| 13:34.58 | poeticrpm | I use FF and it regularly breaks 2GB of RAM (though I have 16), so anything based on FF is prolly a waste of time like chrome was |
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| 13:40.52 | mr_foobar_baz | poeticrpm: actually lxtask tells me that iceweasel is only using 211 MB |
| 13:41.50 | mr_foobar_baz | poeticrpm: actually, under VM-Size it says 955MB |
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| 13:42.28 | mr_foobar_baz | poeticrpm: and plugin-container RSS 155MB and VM-size 879MB. So I guess if you add up the vm sizes your 2GB are accurate |
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| 13:43.33 | poeticrpm | mr_foobar_baz, well, you have to use it a bit first. Trust me, it will bloat on you |
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| 13:45.02 | Sec | poeticrpm: 475MB here |
| 13:45.12 | mr_foobar_baz | poeticrpm: now with 10 tabs open it has 390MB |
| 13:45.18 | Sec | Been using it for a while right now |
| 13:45.34 | Sec | ~20 tabs open mostly text and images |
| 13:45.41 | poeticrpm | just wait :P |
| 13:45.48 | mr_foobar_baz | it says that in sum I have 1.7 GB / 8GB RAM usage |
| 13:45.49 | abrotman | mr_foobar_baz: use it for a few hours, click around a bit .. close/open tabs .. it will bloat |
| 13:45.50 | poeticrpm | it slowly gets worse and worse |
| 13:45.58 | poeticrpm | i dont care since I have the ram |
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| 13:46.16 | abrotman | wants to upgrade the RAM .. stupid beeeping BIOS |
| 13:46.58 | poeticrpm | it prolly has to do with the fact I have more RAM anyways. Linux tries to use what it can, so perhaps it will work well for you. I didnt figure it would be all that great on 1GB, but considering its not multithreaded and linux is good with ram, perhaps it will |
| 13:47.07 | somiaj | even webkit is bloated to me, I think it is more crapy webpage programing than browsers fault most the time. |
| 13:47.25 | mr_foobar_baz | after closing most of the tabs it's back to 212 MB |
| 13:47.27 | abrotman | somiaj: no, it's the caching AIUI .. it's the way the browsers attempt to be fast |
| 13:47.59 | somiaj | abrotman: oh yea forgot about that, makes me wonder if there is a way to turn it off by deault. (: |
| 13:48.08 | abrotman | or limit it .. |
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| 13:48.16 | mr_foobar_baz | I'd check it again in a few hours but I might have to reboot |
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| 13:49.01 | Aaron_ | hi i have a question my wireless connection is not working, and in NM it says wi-fi unmanaged |
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| 13:51.40 | somiaj | Aaron_: I have two thoughts. 1) you haven't installed the firmware for your wireless card. 2) you have wlan0 (or your wireless interface) mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:51.51 | Aaron_ | wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 24:fd:52:a0:02:2a |
| 13:51.51 | Aaron_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.07 | Aaron_ | somiaj, i just brought it up but still no luck |
| 13:52.25 | somiaj | Aaron_: again check the two things I suggested, do you have wlan0 mentioned anywhere in your interfaces file? |
| 13:52.36 | Aaron_ | yes somiaj |
| 13:52.37 | Aaron_ | i d |
| 13:52.37 | Aaron_ | o |
| 13:53.38 | somiaj | network manager ignores any device manually configured in your interfaces file. If you want to use NM, remove (or comment out) the wlan0 lines and restart network manager |
| 13:53.58 | Aaron_ | somiaj, from where? |
| 13:54.16 | somiaj | what do you mean? You remove it from your interfaces file. |
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| 14:08.37 | MrAnonymous | Why does freenet isn't available in debian repostiory? i2p also. |
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| 14:09.10 | WizardGed | both are java based why worry? |
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| 14:11.26 | MrAnonymous | I guess, java is bad :D Honestly I don't know... |
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| 14:14.22 | WizardGed | Java isn't bad. There is currently no language that gives you the functionallity and features java has rolled into it as well as reputation |
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| 14:15.04 | WizardGed | mumbles curses at bad java developers |
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| 14:15.24 | esakish | MrAnonymous, Try backports |
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| 14:16.17 | MrAnonymous | esakish: I searched there, none |
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| 14:16.53 | WizardGed | https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Installing/POSIX#Debian-based.2C_with_a_freenet_system_user |
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| 14:17.44 | mr_foobar_baz | WizardGed: I agree. Java is a great option for cross-platform development in most cases. A lot of java programs are bloated and slow, which might be the cause for the bad reputation. But the language itself is about as fast as C/++ nowdays iirc. |
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| 14:18.11 | WizardGed | finally a sane person |
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| 14:19.20 | WizardGed | so many people judge java based on "well my minecraft runs slow sooo". |
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| 14:20.17 | mr_foobar_baz | lol yeah I recently talked to some friends who were trying to figure out how to give minecraft more than 1GB ram because that's not enough "if you turn around too quickly". |
| 14:20.31 | mr_foobar_baz | one was even considering upgrading to 16GB ram just for minecraft |
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| 14:21.35 | mr_foobar_baz | it's quite obvious that notch/mojang are not that great at what they do. or more likely, they just don't care cause they have enough money anyways |
| 14:22.20 | claw_ | anybody know how i can list the shared printers of a windows server from linux bash ? |
| 14:22.44 | abrotman | claw_: you might want to ask #samba .. |
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| 14:23.51 | claw_ | its smbclient -L $SERVER |
| 14:23.55 | formorer | claw_: take a look into smbclient -L |
| 14:24.19 | WizardGed | mr_foobar_baz, yeah i actually wish more things were written well in java that way i could just send jars to people and say "just use this" |
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| 14:27.03 | mr_foobar_baz | WizardGed: well, open/libreoffice is written in java and that's quite popular. White it could be more lightweight it works great on today's machines in my experience. |
| 14:27.05 | mrdeb | WizardGed: what r good things to put in jars |
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| 14:27.35 | mr_foobar_baz | WizardGed: also, android |
| 14:27.59 | mr_foobar_baz | WizardGed: while it has it's problems it's certainly better than iOS and.. windows phone :P |
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| 14:28.25 | WizardGed | mrdeb, cookies typically go in a jar and they're delicious |
| 14:29.11 | mrdeb | but they r big |
| 14:29.13 | mr_foobar_baz | mrdeb: I put my teas in jars |
| 14:29.18 | mrdeb | i mean i put coffee in them |
| 14:29.23 | mrdeb | also nuts |
| 14:29.29 | mrdeb | baking soda |
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| 14:29.38 | mr_foobar_baz | jars are quire useful |
| 14:29.42 | mr_foobar_baz | *quite |
| 14:29.46 | mrdeb | yes glass ones |
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| 14:30.00 | WizardGed | mrdeb, ahhh you simply dont have big enough jars yet |
| 14:30.03 | mr_foobar_baz | yes that way you can see what's in it |
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| 14:30.18 | SynrGy | which is all very interesting, but should be taken to #debian-offtopic please |
| 14:30.21 | mrdeb | yes i have small ones but maybe i will buy pickles and have more of htem |
| 14:30.22 | mr_foobar_baz | I've got like 10-20 jars for different kinds of tea |
| 14:30.24 | Energy | hello ! Who want suck my dick ? |
| 14:30.31 | SynrGy | !abk Energy no |
| 14:30.43 | mr_foobar_baz | SynrGy: you have a point |
| 14:30.48 | niko | Energy: attention ... |
| 14:30.55 | SynrGy | ehe. sec |
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| 14:31.51 | abrotman | Energy: do you need help with Debian? |
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| 14:32.00 | WizardGed | Energy, you must mean set up apt. |
| 14:32.05 | abrotman | WizardGed: please don't |
| 14:32.12 | mr_foobar_baz | abrotman: did it sound like it? |
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| 14:32.18 | Energy | me no need help, but linux need help... |
| 14:32.28 | MrAnonymous | Energy: ? |
| 14:32.35 | mr_foobar_baz | Energy: did you try suckless-tools? |
| 14:32.38 | MrAnonymous | #Questionmark |
| 14:32.41 | abrotman | mr_foobar_baz: knock it off .. |
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| 14:35.55 | jawr | hey, i have a process that is doing a lot of IO |
| 14:35.59 | jawr | i am using iotop already |
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| 14:36.28 | rozie | jawr: what process is that? |
| 14:36.30 | WizardGed | jawr, why are you worried? |
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| 14:36.58 | jawr | its postgres, im not worried, it's just going a lot slower than it should |
| 14:37.01 | jawr | so i wanted to debug it a bit |
| 14:37.09 | abrotman | it shuld be doing IO .. it's a database |
| 14:37.34 | jawr | sure, but before it was doing 20-80M/s |
| 14:37.45 | babilen | before what? |
| 14:37.48 | WizardGed | ydepending on your filesystem you can have it write data in bursts |
| 14:37.57 | WizardGed | *depending |
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| 14:38.13 | jawr | (WAL is on an SSD and its on a zfs mirror with 6gbps sata) |
| 14:38.21 | jawr | after a long time |
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| 14:38.35 | jawr | i mean it's been importing a big amount of data, but it just seems to crawl now |
| 14:38.52 | WizardGed | is your pool fragmented? |
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| 14:39.45 | abrotman | yay chansev .. |
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| 14:40.05 | SynrGy | +r |
| 14:40.13 | abrotman | Sev might be right :) |
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| 14:40.47 | WizardGed | jawr, might your zpool be fragmented? |
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| 14:40.55 | jawr | quite possibly WizardGed, i was just trying to check |
| 14:40.59 | jawr | status shows no errors |
| 14:41.12 | WizardGed | it shouldn't |
| 14:41.26 | jawr | and looking at iostat it seems zfs is the bottleneck as its speed is 2M/s |
| 14:42.13 | WizardGed | jawr,yeah zfs isn't even close to my favourite file system. |
| 14:42.29 | jawr | i heard so many good things about it though :( |
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| 14:42.48 | babilen | On Linux? |
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| 14:43.20 | jawr | well, i heard it was usable and the little snippits i found of zfs + linux + postgres were positive |
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| 14:43.40 | WizardGed | jawr, yeah it does some cool stuff but ZFS has huge amounts of upkeep and just has absolutley stupid design choices |
| 14:44.37 | jawr | hmm, reading up on this, it seems that theres no real fix :/ |
| 14:44.47 | frostschutz | which flavour of zfs are you using? |
| 14:44.48 | WizardGed | there is a fix |
| 14:45.01 | jawr | i really wanted to use dedupe as i am storing file versions |
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| 14:45.12 | jawr | WizardGed: a point in the right direction would be awesome |
| 14:45.12 | WizardGed | you need to delete and rebuild your zpool |
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| 14:45.27 | jawr | frostschutz: http://zfsonlinux.org/ |
| 14:45.52 | jawr | not sure that is a viable fix if i have to do that every time i import a few gigs |
| 14:46.02 | WizardGed | honestly the FreeBSD guys would know tons more about this then i do |
| 14:46.25 | jawr | maybe i should partition the drives and have a zfs mirror for dedupe and then an xfs [insert other good fs] for the db |
| 14:46.43 | WizardGed | why not btrfs? |
| 14:47.06 | jawr | no experience, i will look in to it though |
| 14:47.13 | WizardGed | It's stable enough im using it right now with debian. |
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| 14:47.24 | jawr | how does it perform? |
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| 14:47.32 | jawr | i want to take advantage of the hardware |
| 14:48.00 | WizardGed | pretty darn well as long as you dont fill the partition it's on to the max |
| 14:48.35 | jawr | that's good |
| 14:48.51 | WizardGed | it also doesnt have insane memory and process consumption |
| 14:49.00 | jawr | ill see if the zfsonlinux guys have any pointers, otherwise ill try out btrfs |
| 14:49.16 | WizardGed | yeah i wish you the best of luck |
| 14:49.32 | jawr | thanks for the pointers though, much appreciated |
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| 14:49.42 | WizardGed | no problem |
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| 14:51.36 | afidegnum | hello, I am finding difficult installing php5-xsl on debian wheezy, can you please help ? |
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| 14:55.32 | abrotman | afidegnum: difficult why? |
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| 14:58.49 | oeitei | Hi |
| 14:58.50 | oeitei | What is the difference between a multicore/multiCPU system and a single-core-single-CPU, in the filesystem point of view ? |
| 14:59.08 | oeitei | Which structures are allocated twice, for instance ? |
| 14:59.36 | oeitei | in a dual-core system... |
| 14:59.38 | viccuad | oeitei: I'm not sure |
| 14:59.43 | abrotman | what? |
| 14:59.50 | viccuad | but, I would say it's transparent to the OS |
| 14:59.50 | abrotman | oeitei: what structures? |
| 15:00.04 | oeitei | file tables, for example ? |
| 15:00.05 | viccuad | it goes to the processors cache, at hw level |
| 15:00.09 | some-cowbell | how many cpus you have shouldn't affect how your filesystems are... |
| 15:00.11 | viccuad | you don't even notice |
| 15:00.11 | oeitei | any difference, I mean |
| 15:00.19 | oeitei | logically |
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| 15:00.32 | viccuad | it is done by hw level and cache pages etc |
| 15:00.51 | viccuad | the software does not need anything done |
| 15:01.09 | oeitei | And the processes management ? does it notice the difference ? |
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| 15:01.49 | oeitei | do we have different number of process tables, dipending on the number of cores, for example ? |
| 15:01.58 | some-cowbell | are you asking more about filesystems, or more about how to control a multiprocessor system? |
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| 15:03.14 | oeitei | The 2 points, so the second one, because it includes everything including the filesystem management |
| 15:03.38 | oeitei | I did read something like that on internet, but I can't find it anymore |
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| 15:04.04 | oeitei | something about a number depending on the number of cores, etc. |
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| 15:04.44 | some-cowbell | oeitei: if you're talking about linux and you're running linux, have a look at /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:04.58 | oeitei | Ok I'll look at that |
| 15:05.13 | some-cowbell | it's just informative as opposed to controlling somethign |
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| 15:05.48 | some-cowbell | is that what you mean when you refer to filesystems? |
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| 15:06.21 | oeitei | no |
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| 15:06.40 | oeitei | I meant open file tables, etc. |
| 15:06.41 | some-cowbell | ok, so I can't tell what your question is about (yet) |
| 15:07.34 | oeitei | file descriptor table, and all the structures created by the kernel to manage the file system |
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| 15:08.31 | oeitei | the dentries cache, also. |
| 15:08.57 | oeitei | Is there one per core or one anyway ? |
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| 15:09.26 | some-cowbell | ok, so you're wondering about questions involving how more than one processor handles the file system (and if it even does: i.e., does linux make sure only one cpu handles filesystems, or does it try to balance, etc) |
| 15:09.44 | oeitei | yes... |
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| 15:10.08 | some-cowbell | ok, at least now we have a category :) |
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| 15:10.49 | some-cowbell | so this is kernel stuff... it's the kernel that makes these kinds of decisions |
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| 15:11.34 | oeitei | Ok, but how ? |
| 15:12.04 | some-cowbell | and code involving filesystems are drivers which are either compiled into the kernel or built as separate modules... |
| 15:12.35 | SynrGy | or split into a userspace component running on top of the kernel fuse layer |
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| 15:13.36 | some-cowbell | SynrGy, is #kernel-newbies still around? maybe they have some details about this? |
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| 15:13.53 | freq | :p |
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| 15:14.35 | some-cowbell | either way, what are some other sources of info? |
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| 15:15.08 | SynrGy | it's #kernelnewbies and the main channel is on irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:15.33 | oeitei | should I go there ? |
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| 15:16.29 | some-cowbell | oeitei: the thing is each filesystem driver is pretty much self-contained. if there is commonality around how multiprocessor systems handle things, I'm not personally aware of them |
| 15:16.36 | SynrGy | it seems more appropriate than here. but i'm not a part of that community, so i can't say what kind of support they give |
| 15:17.08 | oeitei | Okay, I will go there |
| 15:17.15 | oeitei | thank you all |
| 15:17.19 | some-cowbell | oeitei: it's up to you, I'm just thinking where the info is |
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| 15:17.29 | oeitei | Yes =) |
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| 15:18.01 | some-cowbell | at -minimum-, they might be able to point a way |
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| 15:19.06 | Voyager82 | Hello. I've attended this channel before, for the same problem. When I upgraded my distro from Squeeze to Wheezy, I noticed the that I cannot execute the GUI properly. It seams that the problem is related to a the Nouveau package. ("dmesg" says "[drm] No driver support for vblank timestamp query.") It seems that other people experienced the same problem, but I couldn't find a solution. |
| 15:19.10 | oeitei | Well, I don't know how to join the channel... Is it on the same server ? |
| 15:19.45 | some-cowbell | no, it's on oftc.net |
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| 15:20.57 | helena | Does busybox's ifconfig use /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:21.25 | esakish | Voyager82, Why didn't you do a complete reinstall, rather than an upgrade? |
| 15:21.26 | some-cowbell | well ifup/ifdown does |
| 15:21.39 | helena | some-cowbell: And that's in busybox? |
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| 15:22.00 | some-cowbell | I think those are scripts |
| 15:22.13 | some-cowbell | wait, let me check |
| 15:22.30 | Voyager82 | esakish, I tried again to install again Squeeze, and than upgrade. The issue is related to the fact that I need to run LXDE, that, apparently, as a CD installe, is available only as Squeeze distro. :( |
| 15:22.52 | esakish | Why not just install wheezy? |
| 15:22.57 | esakish | Ah |
| 15:23.05 | some-cowbell | helena: actually no, it's a binary executable |
| 15:23.06 | esakish | Just install the base wheezy, then install lxde from that |
| 15:23.16 | helena | oh |
| 15:23.39 | some-cowbell | which still doesn't answer your question (sorry about that :) |
| 15:24.11 | Voyager82 | esakish, my PC is a little old. This is why I'm worried about LXDE. Should I install a minimal distro, and than go "apt-get install lxde"? |
| 15:24.20 | esakish | yeah |
| 15:24.24 | some-cowbell | helena, which busybox? one that's in an installer? |
| 15:24.43 | Voyager82 | esakish, if I install a minimal Debian, will I have only a text mode interface? |
| 15:24.52 | esakish | yes |
| 15:25.07 | some-cowbell | from what I understand, a busybox is something that contains arbitrary executables |
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| 15:25.34 | Voyager82 | esakish, should'nt I be able to upgrade my distro? What happens when I need to upgrade my distro again? |
| 15:25.50 | esakish | I usually just reinstall. upgrading distros feels messy |
| 15:25.56 | some-cowbell | yes, minimal debian includes the ability to install more packages |
| 15:26.25 | some-cowbell | and to upgrade |
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| 15:27.07 | Voyager82 | esakish, I see. |
| 15:27.21 | some-cowbell | esakish: ability to upgrade is debian's main claim to fame! |
| 15:27.30 | Voyager82 | esakish, so, next time, I back up all my data, reinstall a new distro, and reinstall all the software that I need? |
| 15:27.40 | esakish | Voyager82, that's what I do |
| 15:27.59 | esakish | You can backup your installed software list, which makes it easy to reinstall everything |
| 15:29.06 | some-cowbell | just because upgrading feels messy doesn't mean it is. it's one of the things that's well tested when the next dist is released |
| 15:29.12 | Voyager82 | esakish, it's a little frustrating, however. Actually, a friend of mine suggested me to upgrade, to run Octave more properly. :) |
| 15:29.34 | some-cowbell | octave is a math thing? |
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| 15:29.51 | Voyager82 | some-cowbell, last attempt: what could I do, in order to try to solve the problem? |
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| 15:31.09 | SynrGy | esakish: data point: i have a debian unstable i386 box installed in 1995 and continually upgraded ever since, still in service (surviving multiple hardware upgrades in that period of time). so yes, in Debian, upgrades are a thing :) |
| 15:31.33 | some-cowbell | you'd have to locate a driver for your video card; I'm frustrated that I'm your final try as there are others here that probably have more specific info than I do |
| 15:31.37 | esakish | I understand that Debian upgrades aren't bad, I just personally dislike them |
| 15:31.57 | SynrGy | 95 or 96? hm. anyway, doesn't materially change my point |
| 15:32.21 | esakish | Seeing as Debian releases once every two years or so, its not such a big deal to reinstall imho |
| 15:32.32 | esakish | If it was releasing every 6 months or something, I would upgrade |
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| 15:32.56 | Voyager82 | esakish, maybe it's also related to the hardware that you have. If you have a not very "spread" hardware, it's possible to have problems, I think. :( |
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| 15:33.09 | esakish | Voyager82, I don't have hardware problems |
| 15:33.25 | some-cowbell | why would release time affect your overall dislike of upgrades? |
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| 15:33.40 | some-cowbell | to esakish |
| 15:34.24 | some-cowbell | and, s/why would/what makes/ |
| 15:34.27 | esakish | some-cowbell, Because a long release time means there are many changes to the software in one go, whereas small release times aren't so radically different |
| 15:34.49 | esakish | And if debian released in a short time I wouldnt bother reinstalling because it takes some time |
| 15:35.15 | jelly | esakish: debian's release upgrade process rather good. I tend not to reinstall, even |
| 15:35.16 | jelly | ever* |
| 15:35.27 | some-cowbell | so it's about convenience, and degree of change |
| 15:35.35 | esakish | I understand that it's good and works, |
| 15:35.42 | jelly | my home workstation was installed around 2001 |
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| 15:36.11 | jelly | the hardware, on the other hand got upgraded 4-5 times |
| 15:36.14 | some-cowbell | esakish: I'm just curious, I don't judge it as good or bad |
| 15:37.06 | esakish | I was talking about the debian upgrade being good and working |
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| 15:38.07 | some-cowbell | there are wrinkles (such as involving unstable or experimental software) that can make upgrades less stable |
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| 15:39.55 | some-cowbell | from what I understand, (stable - 1) -> stable is the most tested upgrade path |
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| 15:40.46 | jelly | some-cowbell: it's the only one that's supported, too |
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| 15:46.39 | esakish | So you can't upgrade from 5 to 7? |
| 15:46.49 | esakish | You have to go 5 -> 6 -> 7? |
| 15:47.46 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:47.50 | abrotman | or should |
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| 15:49.59 | jelly | esakish: precisely |
| 15:50.11 | esakish | ic |
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| 15:50.26 | jelly | there are hacks and workaround to ease upgrade in n+1, that get removed in n+2 |
| 15:51.04 | esakish | Ah |
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| 15:54.39 | Sauvin | Somiaj, around? |
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| 16:18.29 | lmat | I removed a package from debian (with the default gnome), and now it says everything is optional and can be uninstalled. |
| 16:18.44 | lmat | Among "everything" is gnome itself, etc. I would rather not uninstall that... I think I need to mark something as manual, but what? |
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| 16:19.32 | SynrG | everything you want to keep? |
| 16:19.47 | some-cowbell | what package did you remove? |
| 16:19.48 | SynrG | look at the metapackage that was removed to see what it depended on |
| 16:20.12 | SynrG | either you use the gnome metapackage and accept that it includes some things you may not want ... |
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| 16:20.28 | SynrG | or you don't use it, and live with the burden of installing all the things separately that you *do* want |
| 16:20.33 | SynrG | it's up to you |
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| 16:21.01 | some-cowbell | neither of those choices are particularly appealing |
| 16:21.31 | lmat | SynrG: eek |
| 16:21.36 | babilen | dpkg: tell lmat -about install gnome |
| 16:21.44 | abrotman | some-cowbell: it's perfectly appealing |
| 16:21.47 | lmat | some-cowbell: I think it was the browser, ice something |
| 16:21.54 | babilen | lmat: Install one of the smaller gnome metapackages and mark other packages as manually installed. |
| 16:22.24 | babilen | lmat: That can be done with apt-mark or simply by running "apt-get install FOO" |
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| 16:23.52 | some-cowbell | not to me... in one case you have things you don't want, in the other you have more effort you have to expend |
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| 16:24.32 | abrotman | some-cowbell: So you don't use gnome, not sure why you need to comment |
| 16:24.33 | some-cowbell | if it's perfect to you, so be that... I don't argue with your preference, I only state mine |
| 16:24.37 | lmat | babilen: when I apt-get install gnome-core; iceweasel is one of the things that will be installed :( |
| 16:24.39 | SynrGy | some-cowbell: the key is, debian gives you a choice. good luck with $other_distro |
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| 16:24.56 | lmat | abrotman: There are definitely different options. |
| 16:25.05 | abrotman | ... |
| 16:25.17 | babilen | lmat: Well, then install a smaller metapackage |
| 16:25.19 | lmat | abrotman: An obvious one: uninstall what you don't want and live with the big message from apt-get about the packages that "aren't used by any other package" |
| 16:25.24 | lmat | babilen: okay :) |
| 16:25.39 | abrotman | lmat: I wasn't the one giving you suggestions .. |
| 16:25.40 | babilen | lmat: I would start with gnome-session and take it from there. :) |
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| 16:26.14 | lmat | babilen: ahh. That may be the right way to go :) |
| 16:26.20 | some-cowbell | lmat: and the possibility that some call would remove them because it (perhaps mistakenly) thinks you don't want them |
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| 16:26.41 | xedasx_ | hi, i cant find /dev/cdrom? and wodin -scanbus shows |
| 16:26.46 | xedasx_ | Cannot open SCSI driver! |
| 16:26.47 | lmat | abrotman: And I'm not exactly responding to the suggestions. I'm responding to you. "it's perfectly appealing" :) |
| 16:26.50 | xedasx_ | what im doing wrong? |
| 16:26.57 | SynrGy | lmat: the further you stray from the gnome team's conception of what gnome users have by default, the harder and harder it is to support you when you complain "in gnome, why does X, Y or Z not work?" |
| 16:27.04 | abrotman | xedasx_: does /dev/dvd exist? |
| 16:27.04 | lmat | some-cowbell: yes, that's not very good, but to say it's not a possibility is ... wrong. |
| 16:27.16 | xedasx_ | abrotman: nope |
| 16:27.18 | lmat | SynrGy: yup, that's right :( |
| 16:27.27 | xedasx_ | id like to burn a cd |
| 16:27.34 | xedasx_ | but i cannot find the device hehe |
| 16:27.34 | SynrGy | lmat: if you want to pick and choose individual packages to install *from* gnome, you can no longer say "i run gnome" |
| 16:27.46 | lmat | SynrGy: makes sense. |
| 16:28.24 | SynrGy | so the path of least resistance here is to just not worry so much what "extra, unnecessary" stuff it installs ... |
| 16:28.47 | SynrGy | the gui has its own ways of organizing what is included to keep only the things you use in sight |
| 16:29.05 | jhutchins | SynrGy: If you run the gnome desktop you run gnome, regardless of what apps you use. |
| 16:29.08 | SynrGy | and for all but the most strange corner cases, having the extras around really does no harm |
| 16:29.11 | abrotman | xedasx_: paste.debian.net, ls -al /dev/ |
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| 16:29.22 | abrotman | jhutchins: that's not true |
| 16:29.28 | SynrGy | jhutchins: whose conception of where the boundaries of "the gnome desktop" lie, though? |
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| 16:29.58 | jhutchins | SynrGy: Apps are seperate. |
| 16:30.10 | babilen | jhutchins: "Gnome" denotes a collection of packages that, in their entirety, constitute the "Gnome Desktop Environment" |
| 16:30.11 | xedasx_ | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/108171/ |
| 16:30.12 | SynrGy | jhutchins: gnome is an *integrated* set of cooperating packages |
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| 16:30.42 | SynrGy | you start picking and choosing which ones you include, and at some point it ceases to be gnome |
| 16:30.43 | petn-randall | If you say you're keeping your system "lighweight and slim" you're actually saying "I saved 2 GB of storage, which at the current rate costs about $0.08." |
| 16:30.47 | abrotman | you're all wrong .. jhutchins is always right .. |
| 16:30.53 | SynrGy | and just becomes "a bunch of stuff installed from gnome" |
| 16:31.01 | babilen | jhutchins: You can run "gnome-shell" or use nautilus as file manager, but you have to be specific about that. |
| 16:31.12 | abrotman | xedasx_: can you use /dev/sr0 ? |
| 16:32.02 | xedasx_ | abrotman: works! thank you |
| 16:32.27 | abrotman | xedasx_: enjoy .. not sure why the symlink isn't there, but oh well |
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| 16:46.55 | cdb23 | hello, i have a question related to debian full image. how can i make an image to the same volume? |
| 16:47.09 | cdb23 | dd creates an image as big as the volume |
| 16:47.25 | SynrG | pipe it through your favourite compression |
| 16:47.44 | SynrG | oh, circular |
| 16:47.50 | SynrG | why? |
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| 16:48.21 | SynrG | this just looks slightly insane. not sure what your use case is |
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| 16:48.36 | E00650074006F | Think this is impossivel |
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| 16:48.48 | FUMetaleer | what's the difference between aptitude and apt-get? |
| 16:48.56 | abrotman | dpkg: tell FUMetaleer about why aptitude |
| 16:49.07 | E00650074006F | kernel |
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| 16:49.50 | FUMetaleer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.50 | SynrG | cdb23: snarf the entire image, then compress it and write it out. problem solved. ;) |
| 16:50.04 | SynrG | (i hope you have lots of ram) |
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| 16:50.11 | cdb23 | i have 24GB of ram |
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| 16:50.20 | FUMetaleer | Metaleer sup |
| 16:50.34 | SynrG | then in theory it could be done, provided you could snarf the entire image (or compressed image) at once into ram |
| 16:50.55 | cdb23 | the problem is that the volume is 205 GB big |
| 16:50.56 | some-cowbell | how large is the thing you want to dd? |
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| 16:51.31 | some-cowbell | how much free space is in the volume? |
| 16:51.51 | cdb23 | aproximatly about 125G |
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| 16:52.30 | SynrG | how much of that is empty space, though? |
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| 16:52.52 | cdb23 | size 205GB used 70G and free 125G |
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| 16:53.38 | some-cowbell | ok, what do you want to do with the image once you have it? |
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| 16:54.22 | cdb23 | well transfer it via sftp to other server and try to migrate the physical server to a vm |
| 16:54.36 | SynrG | you can do it in one step, then |
| 16:54.44 | SynrG | dd directly over a pipeline over ssh |
| 16:54.49 | some-cowbell | ohh, ok... would a tarball make more sense for you? |
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| 16:55.39 | SynrG | cdb23: http://linux.icydog.net/ssh/piping.php |
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| 16:56.08 | SynrG | cdb23: any number of those solutions. 3 is the one i was referring to |
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| 16:56.44 | some-cowbell | you can pipe output of dd, you can also pipe the output of tar, so in short you have a lot of choices |
| 16:56.45 | SynrG | cdb23: but 1 and 2 could help, too |
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| 16:57.14 | cdb23 | SynrG ok, thanks for help i'll try it out |
| 16:57.39 | some-cowbell | piping the output of dd would require you have a specifically sized volume waiting on the other side |
| 16:57.40 | SynrG | cdb23: keep in mind that on a live filesystem that is not read-only, it will change during transfer, leading to data inconsistencies |
| 16:58.02 | SynrG | cdb23: shut down *everything* that could write to that filesystem |
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| 16:58.26 | cdb23 | and whats about the default daemons like ssh? and logs? |
| 16:58.56 | cdb23 | because iam not connected locally, i am connected via ssh right now |
| 16:58.58 | SynrG | anything that gets written to won't be consistent |
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| 16:59.12 | SynrG | that is, one log is read at one time, another at another ... they won't match. |
| 16:59.25 | SynrG | for the case of logs, probably not a huge deal. for databases, it could be fatal. |
| 16:59.47 | some-cowbell | you're going to want to use dumps for databases anyway |
| 17:00.24 | SynrG | cdb23: this kind of thing is best done booted from a rescue system. |
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| 17:00.43 | some-cowbell | overall, you're going to want to create a plan for imaging |
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| 17:01.04 | mms_ | how to get java plugin to work in chromium. I have linked the libnpjps2.so to into /usr/lib/chromium/plugins directory already. |
| 17:01.31 | jelly | mms_: if it's chromium 35 or newer, you basically just can't |
| 17:01.45 | SynrG | mms_: use iceweasel |
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| 17:02.40 | mms_ | SynrG: do I need to create similar link for iecweasel ? |
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| 17:02.55 | SynrG | mms_: google announced months ago they were killing NPAPI. http://www.chromium.org/developers/npapi-deprecation |
| 17:03.10 | lmat | my wife brought home a DVD for us to watch, but it's encrypted. |
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| 17:03.29 | lmat | I've been looking online for a while now trying to figure out how to proceed. I think I need libdvdcss, but it's not available or something? |
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| 17:04.22 | SynrG | mms_: huh? for iceweasel, you just install icedtea-plugin |
| 17:04.34 | SynrG | mms_: no manual messing around required |
| 17:04.47 | SynrG | !libdvdcss |
| 17:04.47 | dpkg | libdvdcss is a free software library for unscrambling <CSS>-encrypted DVDs, not to be confused with <DeCSS>. It is not distributed by Debian due to legal concerns. To acquire, see http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html for repository and APT signing key information, then install the libdvdcss2 package. |
| 17:05.09 | lmat | SynrG: thanks! |
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| 17:24.29 | mms_ | when my wifi connectivty breaks for connectify since it will expire its time the network-manager is unable to reconnect using the working password |
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| 17:24.49 | mms_ | I have to restart nm and also rescan wlan0 |
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| 17:25.33 | X-Sleepy-X | mms_: Try restarting the interface? |
| 17:25.37 | taylanub | how do I get libX11, such that -lX11 on gcc works? I have xorg-dev installed yet this program's ./configure script complains about missing X libraries, the log indicating that ld fails on -lX11 |
| 17:26.04 | taylanub | (I have LIBRARY_PATH set too) |
| 17:27.24 | taylanub | ah wait, it's in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu .. that's nasty, I'll need to add those variations of all the directories to my pathes |
| 17:27.45 | taylanub | using this channel for rubber duck debugging, sorry :P |
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| 17:28.31 | mms_ | X-Sleepy-X: nm restart or what ? |
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| 17:28.57 | mms_ | that already workds |
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| 17:29.13 | abrotman | taylanub: libx11-dev ? |
| 17:29.15 | mms_ | this is sort of problem that it cannot reconnect |
| 17:29.24 | mms_ | auto reconnect |
| 17:30.10 | X-Sleepy-X | mms_: i was thinking something like sudo ifdown wlan0 && sudo ifup wlan0 |
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| 17:30.34 | mms_ | ok seems after some delay things work |
| 17:30.39 | mms_ | immediately will keep failing |
| 17:31.20 | mms_ | ok I have cisco anyconnect vpnui which creates vpn connection fine. But the vpn package from cicso for debian seems not to connect. |
| 17:31.35 | mms_ | I suppose there is some certificate kind of thing |
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| 17:35.48 | taylanub | abrotman: thanks, adding all the x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu libraries to my pathes was the solution |
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| 17:40.30 | mms_ | X-Sleepy-X: that did not resolve either....when I bootup eth0 is present but if I have not connected wire its not. Then even on plug in its not. |
| 17:42.05 | X-Sleepy-X | mms_: eth0 is usually the wired adapter, wasn't you trying to connect to a wireless network? |
| 17:42.26 | mms_ | X-Sleepy-X: well I disabled wireless and trying wire now. |
| 17:42.27 | abrotman | X-Sleepy-X: depends on the driver |
| 17:42.43 | mms_ | hp mini 1030nr |
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| 17:43.13 | X-Sleepy-X | abrotman: I know, that's why I said usually... |
| 17:43.25 | X-Sleepy-X | :) |
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| 17:45.53 | some-cowbell | mms_: when you say "eth0 is present", what are you using to determine that? |
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| 17:46.20 | mms_ | some-cowbell: when wire is connected on boot I see eth0 in ifconfig but not otherwise |
| 17:46.40 | mms_ | some-cowbell: I can reboot and find out what driver it is probably |
| 17:46.46 | some-cowbell | "in ifconfig" meaning ifconfig with no parameters? |
| 17:47.06 | some-cowbell | that would indicate that not only is eth0 present, it's also up |
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| 17:47.43 | mms_ | ok let me try -a |
| 17:47.54 | sbujnak | Hi, I'm using Debian 7 and need libfdk-aac. I found this: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libfdk-aac-dev there is a package for sid and testing but not stable. Is there a way to get it installed on stable? |
| 17:48.02 | some-cowbell | an interface listed in ifconfig -a on the other hand would only indicate it's present, and no information given on whether it's up |
| 17:48.02 | mms_ | some-cowbell: even -a does not show |
| 17:48.30 | some-cowbell | ok, what are the interfaces in ifconfig -a? |
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| 17:49.14 | mms_ | wlan0 and lo |
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| 17:49.36 | some-cowbell | and what are the interfaces in ifconfig without -a? |
| 17:49.53 | abrotman | mms_: dmesg | grep eth |
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| 17:50.11 | mms_ | nothing |
| 17:50.14 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sbujnak about ssb |
| 17:50.30 | some-cowbell | to which? |
| 17:50.40 | mms_ | abrotman: nothing |
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| 17:50.59 | abrotman | seems like the OS doesn't see your NIC |
| 17:51.02 | mms_ | I think some issue with PNP |
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| 17:51.24 | kurwa_ | Hey guys, I have an old laptop with a dedicated Nvidia GeForce Go 7400. However, I use this laptop as a server(ish) thingy. Do you think installing the drivers would help me (reduce temperatures mainly)? I don't even use Xorg btw. |
| 17:52.07 | some-cowbell | I would guess running X would raise the temp |
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| 17:52.19 | kurwa_ | I don't use X |
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| 17:53.13 | SynrGy | not following your line of reasoning. you mean, you think there's some power or heat management you're missing without the non-free driver? |
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| 17:53.27 | kurwa_ | I am asking if I might be |
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| 17:53.36 | kurwa_ | Or even with the free driver |
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| 17:53.56 | SynrGy | i don't know what the gpu would be used for if not X |
| 17:53.57 | kurwa_ | I am asking if there's any reasonable benefit in installing the drivers if I don't use X on the machine. Do drivers (free or non-free) offer any hidden magical functionalities that I am missing out on? |
| 17:54.09 | kurwa_ | Hm, makes sense, thanks SynrGy! |
| 17:54.23 | SynrGy | don't consider that a definitive answer, though :) |
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| 17:54.28 | SynrGy | read the doc? |
| 17:54.49 | SynrGy | if it were not a laptop i'd just say "pull the card" ... |
| 17:54.51 | some-cowbell | ok, so no, I don't think installing the nvidia drivers would affect temp. how else did you want/think it would help? |
| 17:54.56 | brianblaze420 | of course if you install the drivers u can use the power of your gpu for things no? |
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| 17:55.20 | mms_ | I even set managed true in /etc/NetworkManager/..conf file |
| 17:55.25 | kurwa_ | Sadly, I've pulled everything out but the card SynrGy. This one's stuck in and at 80* even after a repasting |
| 17:56.00 | some-cowbell | usually the 3d thing implies some elements of linear algebra are accelerated, like matrix multiplies |
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| 17:56.16 | mms_ | its seems hotplug is not working for eth |
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| 17:56.26 | mms_ | if probably at boot its connected then it might work |
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| 17:56.33 | SynrGy | kurwa_: 80C? that's the gpu temp? |
| 17:56.39 | mms_ | currently the module itself is not loaded |
| 17:56.48 | some-cowbell | mms, maybe the driver is not always inserted for the card |
| 17:56.50 | kurwa_ | Yes SynrGy |
| 17:56.55 | SynrGy | kurwa_: measured how? |
| 17:57.00 | mms_ | some-cowbell: exactly |
| 17:57.03 | brianblaze420 | not f? |
| 17:57.08 | some-cowbell | mms, what happens if you try to insert it by modprobe? |
| 17:57.15 | kurwa_ | lm-sensors, but I am assuming that's incorrect as well because of the lack of drivers |
| 17:57.20 | mms_ | I will have to try make note of driver to do that |
| 17:57.33 | mms_ | some-cowbell: I do not which driver |
| 17:57.38 | some-cowbell | maybe the try at boot to insert the driver is throwing exceptions |
| 17:57.40 | SynrGy | likely. i thought you needed the nvidia drivers to measure gpu temp |
| 17:57.41 | abrotman | mms_: lspci -nn, what isthe device? |
| 17:57.50 | kurwa_ | SynrGy: ^ and it doesn't feel like 80* when I touch the heatsink |
| 17:58.02 | brianblaze420 | its probably 30C so 80F? |
| 17:58.14 | SynrGy | *if* you can touch the heatsink without sustaining injuries it's definitely not 80C! |
| 17:58.16 | brianblaze420 | which is not that crazy at all |
| 17:58.23 | kurwa_ | Nope, 30*C room temperature bro |
| 17:58.27 | brianblaze420 | 20 |
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| 17:58.30 | brianblaze420 | 21 |
| 17:58.31 | SynrGy | or totaly bogus |
| 17:58.31 | brianblaze420 | ;) |
| 17:58.32 | mms_ | Network Controller is broadcom |
| 17:58.47 | kurwa_ | Yeah, I am leaning towards totally bogus hah |
| 17:58.58 | some-cowbell | mms, he probably wants more info from the lspci -nn |
| 17:59.07 | mms_ | I know its for wireless I do not know whats for ethernet |
| 17:59.16 | SynrGy | kurwa_: as an experiment, you might temporarily install nvidia non-free driver and use their settings thingy to report gpu temp |
| 17:59.25 | mms_ | I have b43 in lsmod |
| 17:59.29 | kurwa_ | hm, alright, let me give that a go |
| 17:59.30 | abrotman | mms_: are we working on your wired or wifi device now ? |
| 17:59.32 | aoeuasdf | Hey. Does anyone know the "command" I should assign to a key if I want, f.x, to assign CTRL+1 to mean "Go to desktop one?" On a new Debian XFCE install and can't find a shortcut for it. I want to just assign CTRL-[1-4] to go to desktops 1-4, but I don't know which "command" or XF86 key I should assign (And haven't been able to find it). Thanks. |
| 17:59.32 | SynrGy | kurwa_: not as a power-saving measure, mind you. just to get a "second opinion" :) |
| 17:59.39 | abrotman | mms_: and is this a new install? |
| 17:59.49 | some-cowbell | I think you're right, the b43 is probably the wireless |
| 17:59.52 | kurwa_ | Yes, yes, I was doing a disk clone anyways |
| 17:59.55 | mms_ | abrotman: earlier was wifi...i disabled ....connect wire |
| 17:59.58 | kurwa_ | Time to experiment |
| 18:00.04 | abrotman | mms_: lspci -nn .. what is your wired device? |
| 18:00.12 | mms_ | abrotman: hwo to find out from it ? |
| 18:00.25 | mms_ | abrotman: I was line with network controller mentioned and its broadcom |
| 18:00.26 | some-cowbell | probably says network or eth |
| 18:00.55 | abrotman | mms_: does it say if it's a wireless device? What is the PCIID? |
| 18:00.56 | mms_ | some-cowbell: I do not see eth and there is just one line iwth netowrk controller |
| 18:01.01 | SynrGy | kurwa_: googling gpu temperature nouveau ... |
| 18:01.19 | mms_ | abrotman: 12e4:4315 |
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| 18:01.25 | abrotman | that's a wireless device |
| 18:01.26 | mms_ | abrotman: 14e4:4315 |
| 18:01.34 | abrotman | dpkg: tell mms_ about bcm4315 |
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| 18:02.22 | mms_ | abrotman: I know about it....check specs for hp mini 1030nr...http://h20566.www2.hp.com/portal/site/hpsc/template.PAGE/public/kb/docDisplay?javax.portlet.begCacheTok=com.vignette.cachetoken&javax.portlet.endCacheTok=com.vignette.cachetoken&javax.portlet.prp_ba847bafb2a2d782fcbb0710b053ce01=wsrp-navigationalState%3DdocId%253Demr_na-c01764349-1%257CdocLocale%253D%257CcalledBy%253D&javax.portlet.tpst |
| 18:02.23 | mms_ | =ba847bafb2a2d782fcbb0710b053ce01&sp4ts.oid=3943764&ac.admitted=1404496922513.876444892.199480143 |
| 18:02.37 | abrotman | tells mms_ about ugly URLs |
| 18:02.40 | some-cowbell | mms, is this a laptop or desktop? |
| 18:02.43 | abrotman | laptop |
| 18:02.46 | abrotman | netbook technically |
| 18:02.50 | abrotman | I have one of my own |
| 18:02.52 | mms_ | some-cowbell: netbook right... |
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| 18:02.59 | kurwa_ | SynrGy: interesting threads on that one |
| 18:03.01 | some-cowbell | oh ok |
| 18:03.13 | abrotman | mms_: did you just install this thing ? |
| 18:03.18 | mms_ | abrotman: no |
| 18:03.25 | abrotman | so it just stopped working on its own? |
| 18:03.31 | mms_ | well I will just reboot...I know it works that way |
| 18:03.40 | some-cowbell | abrotman, you have an eth on yours? maybe it would be helpful to see its pciid? |
| 18:03.43 | mms_ | abrotman: I know this as known problem |
| 18:03.53 | mms_ | on my netbook for linux |
| 18:03.57 | abrotman | some-cowbell: it's a line of netbooks, mine isn't like his, I can almost guarantee it |
| 18:04.05 | some-cowbell | oh ok |
| 18:04.06 | abrotman | mine is several years old, SSD drive |
| 18:04.14 | abrotman | most of them don't have SSD anymore |
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| 18:04.38 | SynrGy | kurwa_: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/thermal/nouveau_thermal looks interesting |
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| 18:04.47 | some-cowbell | mms, when you rebooted, do you see different choices for kernels in your grub listing? |
| 18:05.07 | some-cowbell | or do you even have grub? |
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| 18:05.16 | kurwa_ | SynrGy: Yes, I think I could use adaptive power mode with it as well as play with clock frequencies |
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| 18:05.20 | mms_ | some-cowbell: yes |
| 18:05.27 | SynrGy | kurwa_: irc contact info at the bottom. look them up? |
| 18:05.45 | some-cowbell | ok, and did you try different kernels? that could affect whether you have a driver |
| 18:05.50 | SynrGy | kurwa_: explain in detail (kernel version, hardware details, etc.) and GPU temp reading |
| 18:06.05 | kurwa_ | Will do! Thanks for all your help SynrGy! |
| 18:06.14 | mms_ | so it sky2 driver |
| 18:06.19 | SynrGy | kurwa_: good luck |
| 18:06.24 | mms_ | I will have to memorize it now |
| 18:06.28 | abrotman | for your wired? |
| 18:06.33 | mms_ | yes |
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| 18:06.38 | mms_ | I did grep for eth |
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| 18:06.59 | mms_ | said link is ony 10Mbp |
| 18:07.20 | some-cowbell | wow, an old machine? |
| 18:07.27 | abrotman | no |
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| 18:08.04 | some-cowbell | do those have the clear plastic rectangular connectors? or bnc? |
| 18:08.12 | abrotman | wtf .. |
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| 18:08.31 | abrotman | some-cowbell: Are you trying to be dense? |
| 18:09.12 | some-cowbell | the bncs do 10? or 1? |
| 18:09.14 | mms_ | I do not know what you asking...check specs and manual ... |
| 18:09.18 | abrotman | some-cowbell: please stop |
| 18:09.23 | abrotman | mms_: he's being a jerk .. don't look that up |
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| 18:09.41 | some-cowbell | scuse me? I'm just asking. |
| 18:09.47 | abrotman | some-cowbell: please stop playing around |
| 18:09.56 | abrotman | either help him or be quiet |
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| 18:11.26 | abrotman | mms_: So neither your wifi or wired work, and both need firmware? |
| 18:12.05 | mms_ | wifi does not but I do not know about wire |
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| 18:12.08 | mms_ | both work |
| 18:12.27 | abrotman | both work? but neither work? :) |
| 18:13.04 | abrotman | mms_: And you've installed the firmware for your broadcom wifi? |
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| 18:13.27 | mms_ | abrotman: yes |
| 18:13.38 | abrotman | mms_: So what problem are we trying to solve at the moment? |
| 18:13.39 | some-cowbell | I thought his wireless was workign |
| 18:13.49 | mms_ | hotplug of eth nto working |
| 18:13.57 | mms_ | wireless is working |
| 18:14.00 | abrotman | mms_: is it configured in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 18:14.16 | mms_ | abrotman: yes but I also changed managed=ture |
| 18:14.48 | abrotman | mms_: And oyu're trying to use network-manager? |
| 18:14.52 | some-cowbell | that's what it is now? |
| 18:14.56 | mms_ | but since now on boot sky2 was loaded hotplug might work |
| 18:15.03 | mms_ | yes I use network manager |
| 18:15.19 | some-cowbell | and do you also want to use nm on the wired? |
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| 18:15.25 | abrotman | mms_: if you really want to manage it with network-manager, I'd probably remove it completely from the interfaces file |
| 18:15.45 | mms_ | ok will try that also |
| 18:16.10 | mms_ | I am removing it I guess network manager will manage hotplug |
| 18:16.16 | abrotman | mms_: also note, if it says 'auto eth0', you probably want it to say 'allow-hotplug eth0' |
| 18:16.32 | mms_ | its set so |
| 18:16.35 | abrotman | ok |
| 18:16.43 | mms_ | but now would just empty the file |
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| 18:17.04 | some-cowbell | what about lo? shouldn't that be in interfaces? |
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| 18:20.29 | mms_ | ok will have to solve vpn issue later....cisco any connect works but the other debian package and network manager menu cannot connect |
| 18:20.36 | mms_ | ok need to sleep now |
| 18:20.38 | mms_ | bye |
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| 18:20.44 | jhutchins | some-cowbell: Yes, lo should be in interfaces. |
| 18:21.04 | some-cowbell | thanks |
| 18:21.51 | jhutchins | auto lo \n iface lo inet loopback |
| 18:22.16 | some-cowbell | what are some of the consequences in a normally operating host if lo is not up? |
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| 18:39.08 | peterrooney | some-cowbell: any program that uses IP to communicate with other processes will have difficulty - eg. name resolvers, CUPS, ntp... |
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| 18:40.10 | Aaron__ | can someone help me with this issue unable to find wine executable: the wine32 package probably needs to be installed. |
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| 18:47.05 | bolt | Aaron__: install wine |
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| 18:47.29 | Aaron__ | i did |
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| 18:48.00 | bolt | Aaron__: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:49.56 | kurwa_ | SynrGy: I got a response from mupuf, interested? |
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| 19:33.52 | jhutchins | some-cowbell: There are processes that communicate over lo, like ntp. |
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| 19:34.05 | void | hi all |
| 19:34.17 | void | how do u turn off the firewall on debian 7.5 ??? |
| 19:34.21 | void | *i |
| 19:34.30 | jhutchins | void: By default there isn't one. |
| 19:34.35 | void | hahah thanks |
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| 19:35.03 | jhutchins | void: In linux ports are only open if you configure a server to listen on them. |
| 19:35.04 | void | im from arg "hahah" isnt a laugh :) |
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| 19:48.34 | tlund | jhutchins: that is true for every operating system. |
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| 19:49.09 | karlpinc | tlund: I've not kept up, but it didn't used to be true. |
| 19:49.19 | karlpinc | (for every os) |
| 19:49.34 | tlund | karlpinc: in what operating system are ports "open" without a server listening on them? |
| 19:50.17 | karlpinc | tlund: When the os is pre-configured to listen on them. Apple autoconfigured. MS Windows did lots of samba stuff, netbios, etc. All "out of the box". |
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| 19:50.33 | tlund | karlpinc: there is a server configured to listen on those ports. |
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| 19:51.14 | tlund | karlpinc: and there is no "samba" in windows. |
| 19:51.33 | karlpinc | tlund: And you note that jhutchins said "if _you_ configure a server". On those boxes _you_ don't. It comes that way. |
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| 19:52.04 | karlpinc | tlund: SMB. picky picky. |
| 19:52.58 | tlund | karlpinc: no, but "Microsoft Windows Network". |
| 19:53.18 | tlund | SMB is a protocol. |
| 19:53.20 | tlund | samba talks SMB |
| 19:53.29 | tlund | (amongst other things) |
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| 20:02.53 | Voyager82 | Hello. I've noticed that in the "new" distros of Debian, "Nouveau" is the drivers set by default, for the video card. Is there any other free alternative (without installing the proprietary drivers)? Since I think I found a bug in it. |
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| 20:04.08 | towo` | Voyager82, wrong, nouveau is default only for nvidia cards |
| 20:04.30 | Voyager82 | Sec, if I remember correctly, the driver "nv" was used back then. |
| 20:04.36 | towo` | and the other free alternative is vesa |
| 20:04.47 | towo` | nv is dead since ages |
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| 20:05.39 | Voyager82 | Can I uninstall Nouveau? If I do, can I still run a GUI? Can I install another driver, maybe Vesa? Does it work as well? |
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| 20:06.00 | towo` | vesa would be the bad alternative |
| 20:06.01 | abrotman | uh .. nouveau is free |
| 20:06.07 | Sec | It will work, it will not work *as well* |
| 20:06.22 | abrotman | if you have a bug with nouveau .. see if there's a related but in their bug tracker |
| 20:06.44 | Sec | Yeah, or report it, maybe it's something very trivial |
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| 20:09.00 | Voyager82 | Sec, I don't know how. However, I think it's already documented. It's related to an error message in "dmesg". |
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| 20:09.28 | Sec | Try using a newer version? |
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| 20:11.39 | Voyager82 | Sec, is it possible that it's an "intrisic" problem of Nouveau? Since mine is an old video card. |
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| 20:14.26 | Sec | Voyager82: https://freedesktop.org/nouveau/CodeNames/ |
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| 20:22.36 | Voyager82 | Silly question. What is actually the difference between "apt-get upgrade", and "apt-get dist-upgrade"? Please, my question is less stupid that it may seem. :) |
| 20:23.56 | lucido | how can I set up acrosscompilation environment for arm in wheezy |
| 20:24.20 | LtL | Voyager82: upgrade is for upgrading packages for your current version of debian. dist-upgrade is strictly for upgrading the next version of debia after editing sources.list |
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| 20:25.18 | towo` | LtL, wrong |
| 20:25.23 | Voyager82 | LtL, yes. I understand that. But, if I change the reps, for example from "Squeeze" to "Wheeze", what's the difference? What's the difference between typing "apt-get upgrade" or "dist-upgrade"? |
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| 20:25.38 | LtL | Voyager82: in other words you use dist-upgrade to upgrade to the next release of debian, which requires changing the sources.list version codename |
| 20:25.50 | abrotman | LtL: that still isn't right |
| 20:26.29 | Voyager82 | What's the difference then? |
| 20:26.35 | abrotman | Voyager82: man apt-get doesn't cover this for you ? |
| 20:26.42 | LtL | VeggieMeat: squeeze and wheezy are two separate version/releases, that would need a dist-upgrade going from squeeze to wheezy |
| 20:26.55 | abrotman | LtL: please stop, that's not his question |
| 20:27.02 | LtL | abrotman: sorry |
| 20:27.12 | abrotman | Voyager82: update will not add new packages or remove packages, dist-upgrade will .. |
| 20:27.24 | abrotman | Voyager82: man apt-get tells you this |
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| 20:28.25 | abrotman | he didn't have to leave .. |
| 20:28.26 | Voyager82 | abrotman, I understand. So "upgrade" will only "upgrade" the driver that is already present, whereas "dist-upgrade" will install new software that is normally provided with newer distros. |
| 20:28.36 | abrotman | update the packages |
| 20:28.42 | abrotman | Voyager82: and no, that's not correct either |
| 20:28.54 | abrotman | thought the man page was pretty clear |
| 20:29.06 | towo` | they is pretty clear |
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| 20:29.15 | towo` | but one has to read it |
| 20:29.21 | abrotman | they is? |
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| 20:31.10 | Voyager82 | abrotman, I did read the man page. It's not too different from what we said. |
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| 20:31.47 | abrotman | we? |
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| 20:33.48 | Voyager82 | I. |
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| 20:36.28 | Voyager82 | Thank you. See you some other time. |
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| 20:38.05 | DarkLinkXXXX | So, I downloaded the 3-DVD full installation recently, but the first disc simply refuses to boot, other than to create a newline above that grey, blinking cursor. Any ideas for troubleshooting this? |
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| 20:39.03 | some-cowbell | try getting netinst image and write that to a cd blank,,, but let;s see. how did you write the image to the dvd? |
| 20:39.12 | mkjackson | hey folks, i managed to get my little server up and connecting to my wifi, however I was wondering if there was a way to have it available on boot? |
| 20:39.30 | mkjackson | right now I have to login and enter "sudo ifup wlan0" every time to get it connected |
| 20:40.12 | DarkLinkXXXX | some-cowbell, Brasero |
| 20:40.20 | some-cowbell | you could put "auto wlan0" or "allow-hotplug wlan0" in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:40.43 | DarkLinkXXXX | some-cowbell, does it support WPA? |
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| 20:41.21 | grex25 | hi, i want to buy a new printer. I am between Epson and Canon. Where I can expect a good linux support? |
| 20:41.46 | babilen | DarkLinkXXXX: First and foremost: You will not need the second or third DVD if you have a working internet connection. In fact you can use the netinstall image and download everything you need during the installation. |
| 20:42.04 | babilen | DarkLinkXXXX: That being said: The DVD1 image should still boot. Which one did you download and what did you do with it? |
| 20:42.32 | some-cowbell | babilen, so far he said "braserio" (sp?) |
| 20:42.49 | mkjackson | some-cowbell: definitely got the auto wlan0 in the interface file |
| 20:42.51 | mkjackson | :-/ |
| 20:43.19 | abrotman | DarkLinkXXXX: yes |
| 20:43.19 | DarkLinkXXXX | some-cowbell, Brasero. https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Brasero |
| 20:43.25 | abrotman | dpkg: tell DarkLinkXXXX about firmrware images |
| 20:43.40 | abrotman | grex25: check thte linux-printing site |
| 20:43.45 | Otyugh | hum |
| 20:43.54 | babilen | DarkLinkXXXX: If you connect via wireless you might need firmware for your wireless adapter. So, which image did you download? |
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| 20:44.08 | Otyugh | how would you do to activate ssh on a system mounted as a drive ? |
| 20:44.27 | some-cowbell | abrotman, do you have any info about the print dialog and scaling? |
| 20:44.29 | Otyugh | is there something such as chroot on debian ? |
| 20:44.32 | abrotman | some-cowbell: huh? |
| 20:44.37 | babilen | Otyugh: chroot into the system, configure it, done |
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| 20:44.58 | babilen | Otyugh: There is indeed. The command is "chroot" |
| 20:45.02 | grex25 | abrotman: openprinting.org? |
| 20:45.05 | some-cowbell | abrotman, for example I might want to reduce the size of the printout |
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| 20:45.30 | mtn | grex25: I always use hp, because of the excellent linux support |
| 20:45.36 | abrotman | grex25: I think that's it |
| 20:45.45 | abrotman | some-cowbell: That probably depends on the app you're using |
| 20:45.48 | grex25 | okay, ty |
| 20:45.58 | some-cowbell | okular |
| 20:46.30 | abrotman | I haven't used okular .. That's the KDE app frontend for libpoplar, right ? |
| 20:46.52 | some-cowbell | it is kde, not sure about the lib, it's for pdfs |
| 20:48.14 | abrotman | evince has a scaling option when it prints |
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| 20:48.35 | some-cowbell | thanks; I'll try that |
| 20:49.01 | babilen | DarkLinkXXXX: You don't know? |
| 20:50.20 | Otyugh | mhm |
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| 20:50.25 | Otyugh | debian don't have "eject" command ? |
| 20:50.36 | Otyugh | like eject /dev/sdX or something |
| 20:50.49 | babilen | Otyugh: Do you have "eject" installed? |
| 20:50.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell Otyugh -about apt-file |
| 20:51.16 | Otyugh | I'll have to install apt-file first |
| 20:51.20 | Otyugh | though thanks ! |
| 20:51.29 | Otyugh | I knew apt-cache search wasn('t the best >.> |
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| 20:53.03 | babilen | Otyugh: Those tools do different things. You might also want to take a look at debtags, axi-cache (apt-xapian-index), aptitude, apt-*, ... |
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| 20:56.10 | Otyugh | mhm |
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| 20:57.18 | Otyugh | for ssh capabilities ; should i install "ssh" or should I install the openssh-server too ? Maybe it's a silly question :p |
| 20:57.35 | abrotman | client or server? |
| 20:58.03 | Otyugh | well |
| 20:58.09 | Otyugh | what does the ssh package anyway ? |
| 20:58.17 | Otyugh | as server for sure |
| 20:58.33 | some-cowbell | what capabilities do you want? ssh, it allows you to ssh out |
| 20:58.48 | Otyugh | I just want to connect it through ssh |
| 20:58.49 | some-cowbell | so maybe you want both |
| 20:59.00 | Otyugh | from foreign place |
| 20:59.13 | Otyugh | (it will be headless) |
| 20:59.21 | Otyugh | (is is headless actually...) |
| 20:59.29 | Otyugh | *it |
| 20:59.35 | some-cowbell | so you want the server (at least) |
| 20:59.55 | Otyugh | what is the ssh package for, alone ? |
| 21:00.19 | some-cowbell | to allow to ssh from it |
| 21:00.22 | Otyugh | openssh-server seem obvious now. Still what the purpose of ssh ? |
| 21:00.38 | Otyugh | hum |
| 21:00.46 | some-cowbell | to ssh to a machine that has ssh server |
| 21:01.14 | babilen | Otyugh: The "ssh" package simply depends on openssh-server and openssh-client. |
| 21:01.54 | babilen | Otyugh: But why don't you read the package description? I find "apt-cache show ssh" to be rather enlightening. |
| 21:02.02 | Otyugh | :3 |
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| 21:02.10 | Otyugh | I miss theses standards commands |
| 21:02.11 | Otyugh | thanks |
| 21:02.26 | Otyugh | (i'm from arch, as newbie for sure ~) |
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| 21:02.52 | babilen | Otyugh: http://debian-handbook.info/ is a great book (and you can even read it for free online!) |
| 21:03.02 | Otyugh | o/ |
| 21:03.06 | Otyugh | might help |
| 21:03.09 | Otyugh | thanks |
| 21:03.11 | Otyugh | I like bibles |
| 21:03.16 | babilen | dpkg: enter |
| 21:03.17 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 21:03.47 | babilen | Otyugh: You might want to keep ^^^ in mind here. (you might get kicked by one of our bots) |
| 21:04.07 | Otyugh | Well, understood. |
| 21:04.16 | dotDeb | 0tyugh I just joined, what kind of bibles are we talking about? |
| 21:04.28 | Otyugh | http://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 21:04.50 | dotDeb | ah |
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| 21:05.46 | Otyugh | dotDeb: hoping for religious matter, here ? x) |
| 21:06.12 | dotDeb | 0tyugh no just wondering |
| 21:06.55 | sympto_ | halp, i got an headless server on which i purged all the xorg stuff but now happen to have no ethernet driver for my card (8186B) |
| 21:07.21 | Otyugh | well |
| 21:07.27 | Otyugh | you can still access it by tty, right ? |
| 21:07.31 | sympto_ | where do i find what module to load or to see if its in my kernel? |
| 21:07.37 | sympto_ | yep, im in it actually |
| 21:08.08 | Otyugh | isn't that just an addition package ? |
| 21:08.39 | some-cowbell | sympto_: how many lines do you get when you do: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 21:09.11 | some-cowbell | also that output should identify your card(s) |
| 21:09.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell sympto_ about rtl8111 |
| 21:09.18 | sympto_ | i only got this interface |
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| 21:11.48 | babilen | sympto_: You probably have to install firmware-realtek and then reload the kernel module (or reboot). Run "lspci -knn|grep -A2 network" and check which kernel module is being used and give us the pciid (alphanumerical identifier in brackets at the end. Looks like [1234:abcd]) |
| 21:12.26 | babilen | sympto_: The output of "ip a" as well as your /etc/network/interfaces would also be of interest (feel free to paste all of that to http://paste.debian.net) |
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| 21:13.28 | sympto_ | i modprobed it and now got an eth0 interface in /sys/class/net |
| 21:13.35 | sympto_ | but it wont appear in ifconfig |
| 21:13.54 | some-cowbell | it will, in ifconfig -a? |
| 21:14.12 | babilen | sympto_: Please run "ip a" -- is it listed? Or, if you insist on using the deprecated ifconfig, "ifconfig -a" ? |
| 21:14.43 | sympto_ | some-cowbell, thanx, i forgot |
| 21:14.48 | sympto_ | yes its now listed |
| 21:15.06 | babilen | sympto_: And get used to using ip rather than ifconfig |
| 21:15.11 | some-cowbell | then, it's present but it's down (and probably not configured yet) |
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| 21:15.34 | babilen | But then, if you want further help please paste the requested information. It would make it much easier to support you :) |
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| 21:17.58 | sympto_ | babilen: the device (10ec:8168) is now detected by the driver r8169. to boot up my box with the driver, i have to specify it in modules.conf, right? |
| 21:18.30 | sympto_ | also is "ip" a tool from systemd? |
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| 21:18.44 | babilen | sympto_: No, it should be loaded automatically |
| 21:19.10 | some-cowbell | babilen: by which mechanism? |
| 21:19.15 | babilen | sympto_: No, ip is from iproute2 -- http://www.tty1.net/blog/2010/ifconfig-ip-comparison_en.html |
| 21:19.20 | babilen | some-cowbell: udev |
| 21:20.03 | sympto_ | so which dhcp-client is the default on debian? |
| 21:20.16 | babilen | isc |
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| 21:42.54 | KjetilK | Are there any known workarounds for this problem: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=752656 ? |
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| 21:46.13 | abrotman | KjetilK: try the build from mozilla.debian.net perhaps? |
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| 21:46.37 | KjetilK | abrotman, yeah, I suppose... |
| 21:46.39 | shay_shay | hello, quasselcore is saying i have already configured 0.0.0.0:4242, yet this is a fresh install of debian and i never have. its on my VPS. how can i investigate this? http://hastebin.com/noqozijowa.m |
| 21:46.40 | jlim | hey guys |
| 21:47.34 | Nik05 | bye |
| 21:48.18 | KjetilK | abrotman, the main problem I have with newer Iceweasels is that they cause me a lot of grief checking out which one of the addons I rely on is supported... |
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| 21:48.36 | jlim | anybody home |
| 21:48.37 | abrotman | KjetilK: otherwise, you'd have to recompile that package |
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| 21:48.49 | KjetilK | I wish there was a way I could say "don't upgrade if $this add-on isn't installable" |
| 21:48.59 | abrotman | you could downgrade later? |
| 21:49.07 | KjetilK | yeah, I suppose |
| 21:49.10 | jlim | debian sound issues with xfce |
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| 21:49.26 | abrotman | !ask |
| 21:49.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:49.26 | dotDeb | jlin using pulse? |
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| 21:49.55 | KjetilK | so, no ideal solutions, but nice to know my options, thanks, abrotman |
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| 21:50.28 | abrotman | would hope he's using pulse |
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| 21:52.20 | aguitel_ | is there kernel lts in debian? |
| 21:52.40 | abrotman | what? |
| 21:52.52 | abrotman | Let's start with which version of Debian? |
| 21:53.09 | aguitel_ | jessie |
| 21:53.21 | abrotman | jessie isnt' even released yet .. so how would it have LTS support? |
| 21:53.28 | abrotman | hell, it's not even frozen |
| 21:53.57 | aguitel_ | coz i have freeze x when i installed nvidia-173xx driver |
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| 21:54.10 | abrotman | and/. |
| 21:54.12 | abrotman | ? |
| 21:55.07 | abrotman | aguitel_: if you want your system to be more stable, use 'wheezy' |
| 21:55.09 | shay_shay | how can i see what my os is using for a specific port? |
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| 21:55.33 | aguitel_ | abrotman, maybe |
| 21:56.00 | abrotman | shay_shay: fuser -n tcp <portnum> |
| 21:56.42 | jlim | anybody know about issues with sound in debian? |
| 21:56.50 | abrotman | jlim: you need to give us more details .. |
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| 21:58.58 | abrotman | or not .. |
| 21:59.04 | abrotman | jlim: ? |
| 21:59.50 | jlim | via vt82xx not working even at fresh install |
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| 22:02.41 | abrotman | how do you know? |
| 22:02.44 | ectospasm | I'm having a slight issue with the nvidia drivers in a dual-head setup. I can use nvidia-settings to ensure the monitor on the right displays the right workspace, but if I logout or reboot the settings don't persist (and the workspace on the right is displayed on both monitors as if they were mirrored). |
| 22:02.52 | abrotman | jlim: what have you tried? |
| 22:03.13 | ectospasm | It's easy enough to fix for now, but I've tried saving the xorg.conf and rebooting, and it never comes back up right without intervention. |
| 22:03.20 | jlim | nothing yet |
| 22:03.44 | babilen | jlim: Why don't you try playing some sound. That way you would know if sound plays or not. |
| 22:03.55 | jlim | can't find anything. looks like most ppl have been saying that they have been sol |
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| 22:04.13 | ectospasm | I had been using the same setup with my old monitors, and as far as I could remember that was working. The only difference is the new monitors are all digital (DVI/HDMI), and one of the old monitors was VGA |
| 22:04.15 | jlim | sound not working |
| 22:04.30 | abrotman | yes .. you said |
| 22:04.39 | jlim | volti will not even load |
| 22:04.57 | jlim | keeps going to my nvidia hdmi sound |
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| 22:08.35 | tiberius__ | I am trying to install debian kvm virtual machines with virt-install, but my network configuration is more than the installer can handle, i need to add a couple extra routes for it to work. the only way it seems to be possible to do a console-based install is if you use the -location option w/ virt-install, and the only way it seems to be possible to proceed past the 'network configuration' step of the installation is by uh |
| 22:08.36 | tiberius__ | ... obliterating the network configuration. and then not providing options to fully configure it. and then refusing to proceed past the network configuration prompt because it cant reach the gateway. |
| 22:09.20 | jlim | keeps trying to play my nvidia sound |
| 22:09.28 | tiberius__ | so like, if I drop to a shell from the installer I can get it on the network. but then it destroys that configuration as soon as i resume the installation. |
| 22:09.51 | tiberius__ | if i use a cd/dvd based install i cant pass extra options to make it use the console for the install? |
| 22:09.58 | tiberius__ | *the serial console |
| 22:09.59 | babilen | jlim: Install pavucontrol, run it and configure it to your liking |
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| 22:11.48 | frostschutz | tiberius__, you can't ping stuff on the host? |
| 22:12.00 | tiberius__ | okay what happens is i need 2 extra routes to reach my default gateway |
| 22:12.01 | jlim | pavucontrol failed to open |
| 22:12.03 | frostschutz | tiberius__, because if you can the user mode network of kvm should work too |
| 22:12.12 | tiberius__ | the network works |
| 22:12.14 | frostschutz | you can do the complicated vm network setup after you done installing |
| 22:12.14 | tiberius__ | if i drop to a shell |
| 22:12.17 | tiberius__ | and add the extra routes |
| 22:12.21 | tiberius__ | no i cant do that because it wont install without the network |
| 22:12.29 | jlim | babilen, pavucontrol failed to open |
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| 22:12.38 | jlim | pavucontrol |
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| 22:13.18 | tiberius__ | i cant use a cd/dvd install source because debian wont boot with the serial console without passing extra optons, which virt-install only supports with the location parameter, which unless im missing something is only capable of starting the network install |
| 22:13.58 | tiberius__ | so i do that, and then it refuses to exit the network configurator because it cant reach my default gateway. but it could if it would shut the f* up and let me add the route somewhere. or not obliterate the route i added in the shell after resuming the installer. |
| 22:14.12 | babilen | jlim: Failed how? |
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| 22:14.18 | frostschutz | tiberius__, install with -net user, switch to real network setup afterwards, was my suggestion. keep it simple for the installer |
| 22:14.26 | tiberius__ | ah, hm |
| 22:14.30 | jlim | it failed |
| 22:14.33 | tiberius__ | alright let me try that i havent tried -net user at all |
| 22:14.38 | jlim | pavucontrol |
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| 22:15.05 | jlim | connection to pulseaudio failed |
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| 22:15.34 | jlim | possible client.conf misconfigured |
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| 22:16.49 | jlim | babilen, i have alsa in xfce not pulse |
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| 22:19.21 | silicone | Hello, would anyone know of the irc channel for xombrero/xxxterm ? |
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| 22:25.54 | tiberius__ | frostschutz, good call that appears to be working thanks buddy |
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| 22:29.45 | babilen | jlim: If you don't use pulseaudio you naturally don't want to use pavucontrol,but it will be considerably harder to switch the default to your other card. Check http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards and the output of "cat /proc/asound/cards". You essentially want to make sure that the right card gets index 0 (and is then being used by default) |
| 22:29.55 | babilen | jlim: Good luck! |
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| 22:31.06 | jlim | babilen, yes the wrong card is set for 0 but i can find the file .asound per debian wiki to fix it |
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| 22:33.04 | babilen | jlim: https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#Troubleshooting has a, quite dirty but working, hack on how to initialise the cards in a specific order. |
| 22:34.07 | jlim | babilen, been there already tried and didn't work thanks |
| 22:34.24 | babilen | dpkg: didn't work |
| 22:34.24 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 22:35.09 | jlim | brb going to reboot |
| 22:35.13 | babilen | jlim: Seriously, support in here doesn't work (heh) like that. You have to be specific in what you say. Your previous statement should have been "I added FOO to file BAR so that it look s like ..." |
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| 22:41.06 | jlim | babilen, i can't write that i tried every single thing on that page, it is easier just to say it |
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| 22:44.12 | babilen | jlim: No, but it is important. Your cards are almost certainly different and adding "options snd-trident index=0" simply wouldn't make sense for you. |
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| 22:44.55 | jlim | can't even find that file on my system to change it... it isn't there |
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| 22:45.56 | babilen | Yes you would have to create it and change the options of the right modules (i.e. those that are actually being used by your cards) |
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| 22:46.00 | babilen | But then you tried that already .. |
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| 22:46.14 | babilen | So, good luck |
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| 22:51.41 | blackjack | guys i got a question, are default installs of debian are not safe, i mean, are they easily hackable? On both installs of a default debian 6 and 7? Or no? |
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| 22:53.16 | r3zn0r | you can use apparmor to secure applications ur worried about |
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| 22:53.57 | abrotman | r3zn0r: default install .. |
| 22:54.02 | mtn | blackjack: define "easily hackable" |
| 22:54.07 | abrotman | blackjack: you mean before or after installing the security update?S |
| 22:54.18 | r3zn0r | all of linux is pretty insecure if ur worried about kernel exploitation |
| 22:54.26 | r3zn0r | but thats local usually |
| 22:54.33 | r3zn0r | or actually allways |
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| 22:55.34 | r3zn0r | u can search the debian security advisories for forewarning of insecurities |
| 22:55.52 | blackjack | abrotman: you can answer for both before and after.. |
| 22:56.53 | blackjack | r3zn0r: when you say local you mean, if one has a shell user access already? |
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| 22:57.57 | r3zn0r | yes or by file , not file format but a kernel exploit in a "executable file" |
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| 22:58.43 | blackjack | mtn: easily hackable meaning, theres already known way to easily get inside on machines installed on default (no updates, patches yet). Or this is still hard considering no updates had been administered yet? |
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| 22:59.26 | blackjack | r3zn0r, i see, you mean when the questionable executable file is run (especially by a root) .. ? |
| 22:59.50 | blackjack | but im not worried with that. im worried is w/ a default install, w/o updates yet, but already on the internet for 24/7 |
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| 23:00.08 | blackjack | i just wonder if its easily detected by scanners from all around |
| 23:00.11 | r3zn0r | even without root |
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| 23:00.42 | blackjack | r3zn0r, what im worried is an attack from the outside, not on the inside. |
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| 23:00.56 | some-cowbell | what's usually detectable by scanners is what servers you have |
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| 23:01.16 | some-cowbell | they detect that by seeing which ports are being listened on |
| 23:01.24 | mtn | blackjack: get behind a firewall/router and you will do as well as with any other distro. |
| 23:01.58 | some-cowbell | and if you're concernec about security enough to ask, never underestimate attacks that could originate from inside |
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| 23:03.01 | r3zn0r | attacks from the outside still happen. even on linux |
| 23:03.18 | blackjack | but compared to a windows machine, still.. a default install of debian with be harder for someone to penetrate i suppose? (even w/ a default install?) |
| 23:03.19 | r3zn0r | http://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 23:03.35 | blackjack | will* be harder |
| 23:04.14 | some-cowbell | I'd say so, as it seems that windows is far more often the target of automated exploits |
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| 23:05.11 | r3zn0r | windows has a browser problem and a local kernel problem but has not had a remote port exploit in a while |
| 23:05.27 | r3zn0r | but any third party apps are not included in that statistic |
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| 23:05.44 | r3zn0r | more kernel exploits per year on linux than windows, its allways been that way |
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| 23:06.02 | abrotman | dpkg: tell blackjack about tracker of doom |
| 23:06.02 | blackjack | abrotman: what are your thoughts on this? hehe |
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| 23:06.20 | blackjack | coz i have left a machine already for about 2 months |
| 23:06.29 | blackjack | and i forgot its still on a default install |
| 23:06.32 | abrotman | blackjack: that depends on what daemons are listening |
| 23:06.49 | blackjack | default install |
| 23:07.01 | blackjack | i suppose their only a few listening daemons there |
| 23:07.07 | some-cowbell | the thing is also, that you personally could become a target if you piss skilled people off |
| 23:07.28 | blackjack | lol some-cowbell. but i dont do that |
| 23:07.28 | some-cowbell | so they find your IP and try whatever |
| 23:07.43 | some-cowbell | that's good to hear |
| 23:07.58 | abrotman | you're also not answering his question .. |
| 23:08.32 | blackjack | which question. Forgive me as i wasnt aware of one being asked of me. hmm |
| 23:08.39 | r3zn0r | u could run chkrootkit , or do whatever one else does and monitor and search ur computer, processes and strange files |
| 23:09.03 | abrotman | dpkg: tell r3zn0r about wud |
| 23:09.52 | r3zn0r | lol? |
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| 23:10.27 | some-cowbell | somewhat related to that, is hanging out in places where there are such folks and somehow expose your IP, like on irc channels they frequent, whether you say something or not... |
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| 23:11.14 | some-cowbell | in short, if they don't know your IP, they can't get to your machine over the net |
| 23:11.22 | blackjack | i just wonder abrotman. You nicely made a very helpful bot for the debian irc community here :) I wonder, how did you made it? (eggdrop is all i know) |
| 23:11.58 | some-cowbell | it's an infobot or a blootbot |
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| 23:17.22 | blackjack | some-cowbell where do i get such a bot? Is it readily available, or one has to code it? |
| 23:18.54 | some-cowbell | sure, you can, they're out there... to know where, I'd have to search. |
| 23:19.34 | some-cowbell | is it an info bot you want or something else? as you know, eggs are also readily available |
| 23:19.52 | blackjack | infobot |
| 23:20.00 | blackjack | i want one. hehe |
| 23:20.19 | some-cowbell | , info infobot |
| 23:20.20 | judd | No package named 'infobot' was found in wheezy/i386. |
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| 23:20.40 | blackjack | so that i can review commands even on my own channel. lol |
| 23:21.08 | blackjack | i dont think there is such a bot, i believe its also an eggdrop with good tcls on it |
| 23:21.12 | some-cowbell | hm, one down, several million to go... (really? infobot isn't packaged?) |
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| 23:21.44 | some-cowbell | no, infobots I think are perl |
| 23:22.06 | some-cowbell | but you can make one out of an egg, it'll take some effort |
| 23:23.25 | some-cowbell | lots of google hits for "infobot", the first is the official web page |
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| 23:25.33 | some-cowbell | dpkg is probably a heavily modified infobot |
| 23:25.34 | dpkg | some-cowbell: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 23:26.30 | cesurasean1 | is there a way to convert an entire filesystem to 32bit once its 64bit? |
| 23:26.56 | frostschutz | cesurasean, copy, mkfs, ... |
| 23:27.00 | mtn | cesurasean1: reinstalling will do it |
| 23:27.15 | frostschutz | oh, you weren't asking about the filesystem |
| 23:27.19 | cesurasean1 | besides reinstalling |
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| 23:27.36 | cesurasean1 | i have an 64bit box that i want to slap onto a 32bit. is it possible to revert it before i rsync? |
| 23:28.06 | some-cowbell | cesurasean1, I'm not sure what you're wanting to convert... what is meant by a filesystem being 32 or 64 bit? |
| 23:28.19 | frostschutz | cesurasean, no, not really, reinstalls work much better here |
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| 23:28.37 | cesurasean1 | i dont have the opportunity to reinstall. |
| 23:28.55 | frostschutz | some-cowbell, 64bit ext4 can go >16TiB, 32bit ext4 <= 16TiB, that's what I thought of first ;) |
| 23:29.12 | some-cowbell | I thought debian userland first :) |
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| 23:29.21 | abrotman | cesurasean1: you dn't covert the filesystem |
| 23:29.31 | abrotman | or rather, don't need to |
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| 23:30.25 | silicon_ | I am trying to print from abiword and gedit, but the printer is not showing up - any suggestions... |
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| 23:30.55 | cesurasean1 | abrotman, so i should be able to rsync an 64bit system into a 32bit? |
| 23:31.04 | mtn | silicon_: printer settings in system settings |
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| 23:31.45 | abrotman | cesurasean1: as far as the files go yes .. but the filesystem on 64bit may be larger than 32bit ... I'm sure your testing will reveal that |
| 23:32.45 | cesurasean1 | boot it will boot up if the system of 64bit is rsynced to a 32bit machine? |
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| 23:33.09 | mtn | cesurasean1: are you asking about applications, too? |
| 23:33.15 | frostschutz | cesurasean1, 64bit binaries won't magically run on a 32bit system, nope |
| 23:34.06 | cesurasean1 | is there a way to convert a 64 bit system to 32 bit? |
| 23:34.16 | mtn | heh |
| 23:34.22 | silicon_ | mtn: It isn't detected.... how could I add it? |
| 23:34.32 | some-cowbell | cesurasean1: inviting you to notice, your question has hit two very very different topics |
| 23:34.48 | mtn | silicon_: you may have to do some searching to see if this printer is supported in linux. |
| 23:35.24 | some-cowbell | and if you mean debian userland, that's a hard conversion... the closest I've seen, is to have a hybrid system |
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| 23:35.54 | cesurasean1 | say i have a 64bit system that's dying. i want to rsync it to a 32bit procesor system. is this possible? and have the same running system? i assume the 64 bit binaries will need to be converted somehow. is this possible to do? |
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| 23:36.49 | somiaj | cesurasean1: no you won't be able to run 64bit binaries on a 32bit only processor. |
| 23:37.11 | somiaj | you will have to reinstall all the binaries from a 32bit debian repo, in that case you will just want to back up personal data and configs |
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| 23:37.27 | some-cowbell | I'd say it's vaguely possible, with A LOT of work... there is, however, no debian-automated way to do that |
| 23:37.51 | some-cowbell | what might work for you, |
| 23:38.02 | cesurasean1 | so its only 32>64 vs 64<32? |
| 23:38.25 | some-cowbell | is to install a 32-bit system on the 32-bit machine, and move your data across gradually |
| 23:38.50 | some-cowbell | I would say, back up the 64 bit machine as soon as you can |
| 23:39.18 | cesurasean1 | sounds like a lot of work. |
| 23:39.19 | some-cowbell | if you have sensitive data, or at least valuable, backing up is your first priority |
| 23:39.49 | cesurasean1 | whats a good idea to do with a 32 bit machine these days? |
| 23:40.03 | abrotman | use it? |
| 23:40.03 | cesurasean1 | i tried using as a firewall but it takes up too much power. |
| 23:40.06 | some-cowbell | not sure what you're asking :) |
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| 23:40.14 | cesurasean1 | yes what could i use it for? |
| 23:40.16 | some-cowbell | oh, I see |
| 23:40.21 | cesurasean1 | only 80 gig hard drives. |
| 23:40.24 | abrotman | cesurasean1: Do you need to use it? |
| 23:40.31 | cesurasean1 | no. |
| 23:40.33 | abrotman | then don't |
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| 23:42.10 | some-cowbell | what's wrong with the 64-bit machine, as far as you can tell? |
| 23:42.33 | cesurasean1 | nothing. |
| 23:42.46 | mtn | is getting a headache |
| 23:42.58 | some-cowbell | hmm. but didn't you say it's dying somehow? |
| 23:42.59 | abrotman | cesurasean1: Do you have an actual question? |
| 23:43.22 | abrotman | some-cowbell: no, he said "let's say" .. hypothetical .. |
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| 23:44.49 | cesurasean1 | where do i get the pxe files for debian at? |
| 23:44.59 | some-cowbell | abrotman, oh, didn't catch that |
| 23:45.28 | abrotman | not surprised |
| 23:45.35 | abrotman | cesurasean1: the installation manual covers this |
| 23:45.36 | some-cowbell | :P |
| 23:46.08 | sympto_ | so how do i update my ddclient to the newest version in apt-get? |
| 23:46.45 | somiaj | sympto_: what do you mean by the newest version in apt-get? What version of debian do you run, that determins what versions are available to you |
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| 23:47.35 | Slumlord_ | i have the secret version of debian 8.0 |
| 23:47.40 | Slumlord_ | lol |
| 23:47.44 | sympto_ | deb3.2.57-3+deb7u2 |
| 23:48.03 | somiaj | that isn't a version of debian, that is a dersion of some package |
| 23:48.12 | somiaj | ,v ddclient |
| 23:48.13 | judd | Package: ddclient on i386 -- squeeze: 3.8.0-11.3; wheezy: 3.8.0-11.5; jessie: 3.8.1-1.1; sid: 3.8.1-1.1 |
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| 23:48.38 | sympto_ | so im on wheezy |
| 23:49.01 | somiaj | well on wheezy the version of ddclient is 3.8.0-11.5. That is what is available to you unless you compile your own backport. |
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| 23:50.37 | some-cowbell | sympto, are you saying you run debian-7.2 with kernel 3.2.57? |
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