| 00:00.06 | Brigo | srged, i never used an iphone so i may be wrong, of course :) |
| 00:00.35 | srged | Brigo: yes you are. ive just read its possible |
| 00:00.40 | dimitry7 | brightkill, readi http://pastebin.com/hvKNRBjz |
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| 00:01.28 | Brigo | srged, rooting it i suppouse |
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| 00:04.04 | Brigo | dimitry7, whait is icmp-8? |
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| 00:05.38 | Brigo | dimitry7, you are allowing only icmp type 8, the echo request, and what about the echo reply? |
| 00:05.48 | dimitry7 | oooh |
| 00:05.57 | dimitry7 | let me try |
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| 00:08.58 | dimitry7 | Brigo, yeah it worked now :-D |
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| 00:09.19 | Brigo | dimitry7, of course it do :) |
| 00:09.50 | Brigo | dimitry7, first learn what are you blocking, and then go block :) |
| 00:10.20 | dimitry7 | Brigo, yeah, okay :-) |
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| 00:11.26 | Brigo | dimitry7, netfilter as too complicated by itselves, do not complicate it more :) |
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| 00:17.19 | dimitry7 | Brigo, haha I know :p |
| 00:17.32 | dimitry7 | Brigo, have you aver used tripwire? |
| 00:17.38 | dimitry7 | or snort |
| 00:17.43 | dimitry7 | I need some guidance on them |
| 00:18.02 | Brigo | tripwire never, snort some years ago, only for some test. |
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| 00:18.16 | Brigo | i think i can not help much. |
| 00:18.49 | Brigo | google is your friend, look at their own pages or their forums. |
| 00:18.59 | dimitry7 | Brigo, I have a doubt |
| 00:19.38 | dimitry7 | Brigo, for example when my default policy in input output and forward is ACCEPT... it will let everything pass right? |
| 00:20.18 | Brigo | if there is no rules, yes |
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| 00:20.40 | dimitry7 | Brigo, that is exactly my doubt, let me paste you my rules |
| 00:22.43 | Brigo | dimitry7, i think you have not enought doubts. Do you know how many tables are in netfilter? |
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| 00:23.21 | dimitry7 | Brigo, 4 |
| 00:24.21 | Brigo | which ones? |
| 00:24.34 | dimitry7 | filter nat raw mangle |
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| 00:25.44 | Brigo | dimir, quite good, you miss only one: security, a new one :) |
| 00:26.23 | dimitry7 | Brigo, hehehe, okay see this: http://pastebin.com/Dt6Sq2Ef |
| 00:26.47 | dimitry7 | Brigo, how secure do you think I am? |
| 00:26.55 | Brigo | dimitry7, that is comenten in spanish |
| 00:27.23 | dimitry7 | Brigo, for my boss to understand them lol |
| 00:27.42 | dimitry7 | Brigo, but you don't need comments :-) |
| 00:28.19 | dimitry7 | eth0 is LAN, eth1 has a direct link to the Internet with a public IP |
| 00:28.32 | Brigo | dimitry7, look at line 19: :INPUT ACCEPT |
| 00:28.52 | dimitry7 | yes |
| 00:29.26 | Brigo | if it is open by default why do you open ports in the next lines? |
| 00:29.49 | Brigo | you has already them open |
| 00:29.53 | Brigo | have* |
| 00:30.19 | dimitry7 | that's what I need to understand! you see my old boss who managed this killed himself. (which was bad) now I am in charge. We have 27 firewalls |
| 00:30.29 | dimitry7 | and each one is configured that way!! |
| 00:30.37 | dimitry7 | I have the same question as you! |
| 00:31.26 | dimitry7 | Brigo, what do you think of this? |
| 00:31.48 | dimitry7 | Brigo, by the way if I don't open them bellow I can't connect uh! |
| 00:32.12 | Brigo | you can work in to directions: closing all by default and then open the ports you need only, or opening all by default and close that you do not need. |
| 00:32.53 | dimitry7 | Brigo, if I comment out the INPUT lines for Web and SSH |
| 00:32.58 | Brigo | dimitry is not so easy, you will need to read some tutorial |
| 00:33.00 | dimitry7 | do you think I can still connect? |
| 00:33.20 | dimitry7 | comment, not comment out |
| 00:33.22 | Guest28116 | Hey guys. |
| 00:33.45 | ezhik`_ | I am seeings lots of dropped packets |
| 00:33.47 | ezhik`_ | on my network interface |
| 00:33.49 | ezhik`_ | debian 7.5 |
| 00:34.37 | Brigo | of course, but i think you default INPUT policy should be DENY or DROP and the open ports. |
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| 00:36.02 | dimitry7 | Brigo, I agree with you, but then why can't I connect to ssh if I don't add the input rule for my port |
| 00:36.05 | dimitry7 | ? |
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| 00:37.25 | qu | Why is it so difficult to find out how to simply extract a file from a .deb package? |
| 00:37.26 | Brigo | dimitry7, that is the rule: -A INPUT -s 192.168.1.0/24 -d 0/0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 17521 -j ACCEPT |
| 00:37.38 | Brigo | qu dpkg -X |
| 00:37.49 | ezhik`_ | Has anybody experienced issues with dropped rx packets on a netowrk interface? |
| 00:37.53 | ezhik`_ | watch /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 00:38.09 | Brigo | so you can access only from 192.168.1.0 network |
| 00:38.12 | ezhik`_ | RX packets:182 errors:0 dropped:80 overruns:0 frame:0 |
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| 00:38.48 | Brigo | -d 0/0 ¿ no destinity or all? i am not sure. And --dport (destinity port) 17521 |
| 00:39.05 | Brigo | are the ssh server listening in 17521 port? |
| 00:39.59 | qu | Brigo: Thx. I saw that in the man page, but it was under "dpkg-deb actions", which didn't make sense. |
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| 00:41.27 | dimitry7 | Brigo, i have talked to the boss of my boss who knows IPtables... he got confused at first |
| 00:41.38 | dimitry7 | but told me to try what you are telling me :-) |
| 00:42.05 | dimitry7 | Brigo, yes I redirected ssh to that port :-) |
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| 00:42.27 | dimitry7 | Brigo, hope you won't be my compromised haha, just kidding :p |
| 00:42.33 | dimitry7 | * compromiser |
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| 00:43.03 | Brigo | dimitry7, well i am not in your land :) |
| 00:43.14 | dimitry7 | haha |
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| 00:43.21 | dimitry7 | Brigo, I am confused |
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| 00:43.43 | dimitry7 | but I will try |
| 00:43.47 | dimitry7 | test |
| 00:43.54 | dimitry7 | and see :-) |
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| 00:44.39 | Brigo | dimitry7, one more thing. -d 0/0 means destinity everywhere that is the same that say nothing, yo can delete it. |
| 00:44.48 | dimitry7 | Brigo, 5. security is used for Mandatory Access Control networking rules. |
| 00:44.55 | dimitry7 | :-O true!! |
| 00:45.17 | Brigo | of course true :) |
| 00:45.20 | dimitry7 | Brigo, really? OMG! I think I need to really adjust what my old boss did... |
| 00:45.24 | dimitry7 | Brigo, yes :-) |
| 00:45.42 | Brigo | dimir, i told you, security is a new table. |
| 00:46.07 | dimitry7 | Brigo, yes you were right... one more to learn!! |
| 00:47.08 | dimitry7 | Brigo, http://www.securitydistro.com/security-distros |
| 00:47.09 | Brigo | dimitry7, you can do most of the work with filter an nat :) |
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| 00:47.49 | dimitry7 | Brigo, Yeah I've noticed that. It is good!! |
| 00:48.45 | Brigo | dimitry7, if you get blocked for you firewall and wants to know what, use logs rules. |
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| 00:48.58 | Brigo | and wireshark to monitoring the network |
| 00:49.07 | dimitry7 | Brigo, that's interesting, how can I log iptables? |
| 00:49.26 | Brigo | with the tag LOG |
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| 00:49.47 | dimitry7 | Brigo, perfect!! you know what I don't like about wireshark? that it gives so many information, it's too much to analyze it! |
| 00:49.54 | Brigo | -A INPUT -s 192.168.1.0/24 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 17521 -j LOG |
| 00:50.11 | dimitry7 | ooh good! and the file? |
| 00:50.19 | Brigo | dimitry7, filter it, only the port you need or the ips |
| 00:50.19 | dimitry7 | will be automatically put in /var/log ? |
| 00:50.28 | dimitry7 | Brigo, oooh okay okay |
| 00:50.32 | Brigo | dimitry7, in /var/los/syslog i think |
| 00:50.40 | dimitry7 | Brigo, ooh perfect! |
| 00:51.19 | Brigo | i am going to sleep now, good luck :) |
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| 00:51.28 | dimitry7 | Brigo, http://www.thegeekstuff.com/scripts/iptables-rules |
| 00:51.39 | dimitry7 | Brigo, that is what you said... DROP as default Policy°! |
| 00:52.08 | dimitry7 | Brigo, Cool!! Great night and thank you so much for your help my friend!! :-) |
| 00:52.22 | Brigo | dimitry7, only iptables -P INPUT DROP not OUTPUT (may be FORDWARD) |
| 00:52.39 | Brigo | thanks, dimitry7 , bye :) |
| 00:52.41 | dimitry7 | Brigo, oooh perfect!! |
| 00:52.46 | dimitry7 | Brigo, good!! bye bye! :-) |
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| 00:57.26 | ac_slater | hey all, I'm messing with .deb creation and I put my package in a 'reinstall' state and dpkg cannot find my package archive. Should I use the `--force-remove-reinstreq` dpkg option? If so, what's the proper way to invoke it |
| 00:57.28 | ac_slater | thanks! |
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| 00:58.56 | Teltariat | What's the best way to maintain and automatically build a tree of debian packages? |
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| 01:00.41 | mhoney | remastersys? |
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| 01:02.40 | Teltariat | mhoney: if I have a source repo full of the source of many debian packages, does it build the packages of all of them? Doesn't seem to be the case from what I see about it online |
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| 01:03.05 | Teltariat | mhoney: also looks like the primary developer is no longer developing it? http://www.remastersys.com/ |
| 01:03.44 | qwertyomen | How can I download the entire debian repo? |
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| 01:04.32 | jeep | qwertyomen: why would you do that ? |
| 01:04.35 | Teltariat | qwertyomen: reprepro |
| 01:05.20 | themill | qwertyomen: for most people, a caching proxy is much more useful. Have a look at apt-cacher-ng |
| 01:05.38 | qwertyomen | jeep: Have a server that we can't let "online" at a college. it'd be easier to let it sit and download a crap ton of repos for a while then update later |
| 01:05.54 | qwertyomen | *install... |
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| 01:06.15 | qwertyomen | themill: yeah I'll look into it |
| 01:06.34 | themill | qwertyomen: you can set up your firewall so that only the proxy is accessible from that machine |
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| 01:07.57 | ac_slater | I cannot figure out how to get to the debian mentors IRC? It says its on OFTC but also irc.debian.org ... which one? |
| 01:08.13 | themill | irc.d.o is oftc |
| 01:08.26 | ac_slater | themill: gotcha. Thanks mate |
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| 01:08.37 | qwertyomen | themill: I don't have access to the firewall. IT kinda frowns on having our own servers open to the web. That and I plan on installing DHCP on the machine and it'd make the squares upstairs kinda mad. |
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| 01:10.33 | themill | ,i locales-all |
| 01:10.37 | judd | Package locales-all (localization, extra) in wheezy/i386: Embedded GNU C Library: Precompiled locale data. Version: 2.13-38+deb7u1; Size: 3050.5k; Installed: 111368k; Homepage: http://www.eglibc.org |
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| 01:20.28 | qwertyomen | Thanks guys I'll just download the .deb's when I need em ;) Much easier that way |
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| 01:27.28 | ac_slater | I'm asking in #debian-mentors but the channel seems to be a little dead tonight. I would love to `source myVars` from maintainer scripts. From a debug statement, it seems they use `/` as their working dir. Is this always true? |
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| 01:42.00 | tomman | Hi there |
| 01:42.15 | tomman | What's the best strategy to clone AF HDDs? |
| 01:42.17 | tomman | It's a laptop |
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| 01:42.31 | tomman | the internal drive has a dual-boot Windows and Debian setup |
| 01:42.41 | tomman | the other is behind a cheap USB-to-SATA bridge |
| 01:42.43 | tomman | both are AF |
| 01:43.07 | tomman | but the drive behind the bridge (JMicron-based) exposes 4K sectors, yet the internal drive is seen and handled as 512b |
| 01:43.22 | tomman | of course, trying to use Clonezilla with this results in utter failure because of this |
| 01:46.00 | Cpuroast | a simple dd? |
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| 01:49.40 | lkthomas | hey guys, for preseed, how could I install a specific package from a specific repo? |
| 01:49.41 | tomman | Oh, found another USB bridge. |
| 01:50.01 | tomman | some old Sunplus thing which doesn't do this 4K-to-4K translation and instead exposes 512b sectors |
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| 01:50.01 | Cpuroast | apt-pinning? |
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| 01:50.11 | lkthomas | Cpuroast: "preseed" |
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| 01:50.39 | Cpuroast | guess I never dealt with preseed |
| 01:50.53 | lkthomas | Cpuroast: then you don't know how to answer that :) |
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| 01:53.50 | Cpuroast | lkthomas: looks like a useful mechanism |
| 01:54.14 | lkthomas | Cpuroast: what ?! |
| 01:54.15 | lkthomas | huh |
| 01:54.28 | Cpuroast | automated installers using preseeding |
| 01:54.35 | lkthomas | Cpuroast: it's freaking painful |
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| 01:55.59 | cedwardsmedia | So this isn’t a Debian question per se, but as it’s dealing with a Debian machine and Debian-flavored packages, I figure this is my best place to start. I’m running NGINX1.6.0 with PHP 5.5.13-1~dotdeb.1 on Debian 3.2.54-2 x86_64. My goal is to have PHP not give out system information or version information about itself or Debian. Likewise, I want to make NGINX stay quiet about its version number and any version information |
| 01:56.00 | cedwardsmedia | about PHP or Debian that it might otherwise present as well. I figured you guys would at least be a good starting point to find the info I need for this. |
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| 01:58.11 | Cpuroast | there was a php param, if I recal |
| 01:58.16 | Cpuroast | that would make it stay quiet |
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| 01:58.56 | Gear_ | hi, some streaming movie sites do not work |
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| 01:59.13 | Cpuroast | cedwardsmedia: expose_php = Off |
| 01:59.16 | Gear_ | it has just a black screen, is this a problem with iceweasel? |
| 01:59.40 | mns | Gear_: what sites ? Do they use Flash ? Do you have Flash installed ? |
| 01:59.41 | cedwardsmedia | Cpuroast: I’ve done that. What about making NGINX hide it’s version? Any ideas without having to recompile it? |
| 02:00.03 | Gear_ | I have flash installed, one site is xhamster |
| 02:00.09 | Cpuroast | cedwardsmedia: security through obscurity isn't exactly ideal |
| 02:00.40 | themill | lkthomas: packagename=version or packagename/release should work as that data is passed directly to apttiude |
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| 02:01.06 | cedwardsmedia | Cpuroast: true. I have plenty other security methods in place. I could care less if anyone knows I use NGINX or PHP. I just figure that without the version info being broadcast to the known universe, it’d be harder to track down particular weaknesses in a given release |
| 02:01.17 | mns | Gear_: do you get sound at least ? |
| 02:01.21 | Cpuroast | cedwardsmedia: http://wiki.nginx.org/NginxHttpCoreModule#server_tokens |
| 02:01.24 | Gear_ | no sound |
| 02:01.29 | Cpuroast | a quick google :) |
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| 02:02.31 | lkthomas | themill: are you talking about d-i preseed or something else ? |
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| 02:02.42 | cedwardsmedia | Cpuroast: right. So far, every reference I found to that flag requires a specific option at compile time, which is why I wanted to actually ask someone as opposed to relying solely on my search results ;) |
| 02:03.07 | Cpuroast | server_tokens off |
| 02:03.11 | Cpuroast | should do the trick |
| 02:03.33 | themill | lkthomas: pre-seed |
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| 02:03.45 | lkthomas | themill: I can't see any docs when I try to google |
| 02:03.48 | cedwardsmedia | alrighty, I’ll test it out real quick |
| 02:03.56 | themill | lkthomas: docs for what? |
| 02:04.03 | lkthomas | themill: packagename |
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| 02:04.15 | themill | umm |
| 02:04.17 | mns | Gear_: any other website besides the one you provided ? That's blocked by the corporate filters on my end. |
| 02:04.25 | themill | lkthomas: that's the package you want to install? |
| 02:04.46 | Gear_ | let me see |
| 02:05.01 | lkthomas | themill: I mean, I want to specific to install a package from a specific repo instead of default |
| 02:05.11 | themill | lkthomas: yes |
| 02:05.27 | lkthomas | themill: any docs showing how to do it ? like example ? |
| 02:05.27 | Cpuroast | cedwardsmedia: in nginx.conf |
| 02:05.29 | Gear_ | it's a porno site, sorry I should have said that in case it did come through |
| 02:05.40 | Gear_ | but it still doesn't work |
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| 02:05.52 | Cpuroast | http://techtalk.virendrachandak.com/how-to-hide-nginx-version-number-in-headers-and-errors-pages/ |
| 02:05.58 | Cpuroast | they'll know it's nginx |
| 02:06.03 | themill | lkthomas: the preseed example file shows you this |
| 02:06.11 | Cpuroast | but they won't have the specifics of the version/os |
| 02:06.18 | Cpuroast | this way anyways |
| 02:06.29 | lkthomas | themill: sorry I still don't get a direction at all |
| 02:06.37 | themill | lkthomas: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 02:06.51 | cedwardsmedia | alrighty Cpuroast that’s really all I care about is pulling specific version information out |
| 02:07.21 | Cpuroast | then between that and the php option, and maybe preventing someone from creating a phpinfo file |
| 02:07.23 | themill | lkthomas: look through the example file for "build-essential" as an example of installing a package |
| 02:07.23 | mns | I dont have a problem with most sites like YouTube, etc. |
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| 02:07.32 | Cpuroast | you should be covered |
| 02:07.58 | lkthomas | themill: d-i pkgsel/include string openssh-server build-essential <- doesn't say anything |
| 02:08.06 | Gear_ | I don't have a problem with youtube |
| 02:08.08 | cedwardsmedia | Cpuroast: right. it’s my own server so nobody else has direct access. the only phpinfo that will exist is if I personally make it |
| 02:08.13 | themill | lkthomas: [12:00] <themill> lkthomas: packagename=version or packagename/release should work as that data is passed directly to apttiude |
| 02:08.16 | Cpuroast | ok |
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| 02:08.46 | Gear_ | but porno sites don't work and seriously, they should, that's part of most of our browsing experience at one point or another |
| 02:08.48 | lkthomas | themill: but the version keep changing as it's from repo right? |
| 02:09.01 | lkthomas | themill: does version could do > or < ? |
| 02:09.10 | mns | Gear_: if you're in the US, what about Hulu.com ? Does that work ? |
| 02:09.35 | themill | lkthomas: this is passed straight to aptitude so you can only use what aptitude will accept. What are you *really* trying to achieve here |
| 02:09.37 | mns | Gear_: not really. but to each their own. |
| 02:09.46 | cedwardsmedia | Cpuroast: as I said, I have several other security measures in place. my idea is that without the specific version info, any adversary would have to actually attempt various exploits until they could find one that works. this would at least, in theory, by enough time for me to become aware of an attempted breach to take action |
| 02:10.05 | Cpuroast | I guess |
| 02:10.11 | Gear_ | it won't let me view hulu, because i'm not in the us |
| 02:10.19 | lkthomas | themill: install latest version of puppet from puppet repo, I already have apt-setup/local0 to point to puppetlabs repo, it just install older version of puppet from debian repo |
| 02:10.40 | Cpuroast | cedwardsmedia: the fact that you are running a dotdeb package |
| 02:10.42 | Cpuroast | doesn't help |
| 02:10.56 | cedwardsmedia | howso? |
| 02:11.04 | themill | lkthomas: that puppet repo is a right pain in the arse. I'm still waiting for the puppet people to actually produce some documentation on how they imagine people would use it |
| 02:11.05 | Cpuroast | 3rd party package provider |
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| 02:11.23 | Cpuroast | not under the purview of debian's security team |
| 02:11.38 | themill | lkthomas: but you shouldn't actually need to specify anything there -- the latest version is the version that apt will automatically pick anyway |
| 02:11.39 | cedwardsmedia | true |
| 02:12.29 | lkthomas | themill: nope, that's not the case here |
| 02:12.34 | Cpuroast | this is a squeeze instance? |
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| 02:13.00 | Cpuroast | ah, no wheezy |
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| 02:13.17 | lkthomas | themill: do I need to specify apt update first? it might not pick up new version from repo if there is an option for that |
| 02:13.41 | themill | lkthomas: how are you feeding the puppet repo into the sources.list? |
| 02:13.48 | lkthomas | themill: yep |
| 02:14.06 | lkthomas | themill: I am using d-i apt-setup/local0/ command to feed in |
| 02:14.21 | lkthomas | themill: after installation, I confirm puppetlab repo is in sources.list file |
| 02:14.25 | themill | and you're giving the key for that repo to apt |
| 02:14.32 | lkthomas | themill: yes I do |
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| 02:16.56 | lkthomas | themill: debug d-i is pain |
| 02:17.33 | lkthomas | themill: so what do you think |
| 02:17.44 | Gear_ | ok the site still doesn't work |
| 02:17.57 | Gear_ | I don' tknow if it's iceweasel |
| 02:18.04 | Gear_ | or gnome, or debian |
| 02:18.17 | Gear_ | it works on my other computers |
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| 02:19.18 | lkthomas | themill: it's possible puppetlab repo didn't setup properly |
| 02:19.24 | lkthomas | themill: let me check it again |
| 02:19.51 | themill | lkthomas: what's the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy puppetmaster" immediately after install? |
| 02:19.59 | ctmjr | Gear_: what site |
| 02:20.18 | Gear_ | porn, xhamster.com |
| 02:20.53 | Gear_ | I'm not being a smartass, it should work |
| 02:21.04 | Gear_ | there's no sound or video |
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| 02:21.16 | lkthomas | themill: I found a typo mistake on puppetlabs repo section, let me redo it |
| 02:21.25 | mns | cedwardsmedia: have a look at http://krischan.eu/index.php/2014/01/11/howto-hide-your-web-server-version-number-apache-lighttpd-nginx/ gives you a differnt way to get what you want. |
| 02:21.41 | mns | Gear_: is it only porn sites that dont work ? |
| 02:21.47 | Gear_ | I'm not sure so far |
| 02:22.22 | mns | Gear_: do you have a proxy setup which might be blocking it on the system iceweasel is running ? |
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| 02:22.30 | Gear_ | proxy? I don't think so |
| 02:22.49 | Gear_ | if I don't think so that almost definitely means no |
| 02:23.35 | lkthomas | themill: lucky that all net install is passing proxy and it's easy to spot which one is error |
| 02:24.52 | mns | Gear_: dont know what to tell you. maybe you dont have all the codecs in place ? you have gstreamer installed ? along with all the codecs ? free and non-free ? |
| 02:25.10 | Gear_ | it should be, youtube works, vimeo does |
| 02:25.16 | Gear_ | I'll try in a minute |
| 02:25.21 | Gear_ | I have to make breakfast |
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| 02:27.28 | cedwardsmedia | excellent. thanks for your help mns and Cpuroast |
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| 02:34.57 | Gear_ | I don't know what else to try |
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| 02:36.38 | Gear_ | if I install kde will it come with iceweasle |
| 02:37.08 | Gear_ | ? |
| 02:37.12 | nicholosophy | Gear_: I don't know. But you could install iceweasle |
| 02:37.16 | dvs | An older iceweasel |
| 02:37.42 | Gear_ | I didn't know iceweasel existed |
| 02:37.54 | nicholosophy | iceweasel = firefox |
| 02:37.55 | coldiso | Gear_ what isn't working for you? |
| 02:38.05 | Gear_ | xhamster and redtube so far |
| 02:38.05 | nicholosophy | just with the 'offending' branding removed |
| 02:38.23 | nicholosophy | Gear_: did you install flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 02:38.36 | Gear_ | yes, youtube works fine |
| 02:38.57 | nicholosophy | Gear_: another option is chromium (debian compiled Chrome) or installing Chrome itself |
| 02:39.08 | coldiso | Gear_ wtf i google xhamster and find pr0n |
| 02:39.13 | coldiso | what isn't working flash? |
| 02:39.14 | Gear_ | sorry |
| 02:39.17 | Gear_ | yeah it's porn |
| 02:39.26 | nicholosophy | coldiso: dude wants to watch his porn |
| 02:39.27 | Gear_ | warning |
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| 02:39.32 | coldiso | i get that thats fine |
| 02:39.37 | coldiso | so is it flash you want? |
| 02:39.41 | coldiso | i get that now =) |
| 02:39.43 | Gear_ | I wanted to watch porn about 20 hours ago |
| 02:39.55 | coldiso | lol ok got it |
| 02:40.02 | Gear_ | but now i'm seeing what else isn't working |
| 02:40.05 | coldiso | are you on a 32 bit or 64 bit platform? |
| 02:40.07 | Gear_ | I don't want to use chrome |
| 02:40.10 | Gear_ | 64 |
| 02:40.20 | coldiso | have you installed the nightly version of firefox? |
| 02:40.34 | coldiso | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/firefox-33.0a1.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2 |
| 02:40.36 | Gear_ | I haven't installed firefox yet, I'll do that now |
| 02:40.37 | coldiso | go install that |
| 02:40.49 | coldiso | then lets go get you some flash plugin and i will walk you through it |
| 02:40.50 | Gear_ | what about trying the last stable version |
| 02:40.51 | dvs | why? |
| 02:40.59 | coldiso | the debian boys in the room will torch me but we will get you some pr0n |
| 02:41.02 | Gear_ | youtube works |
| 02:41.15 | themill | coldiso: that's not going to do any better or worse than iceweasel |
| 02:41.24 | coldiso | iceweasel sucks |
| 02:41.40 | themill | Changing the icon doesn't have a miraculous effect on the browser. |
| 02:41.44 | jpinx | sounds like he's behind some filtering |
| 02:41.51 | coldiso | no but i get control over the stupid plugins |
| 02:41.59 | Gear_ | no this all worked fine with mageia |
| 02:42.06 | Gear_ | I installed debian yesterday |
| 02:42.11 | themill | coldiso: you have no worse or better control over plugins with iceweasel |
| 02:42.15 | jpinx | Gear_: what country are you in ? |
| 02:42.20 | nicholosophy | fyi running iceweasel and flashplugin-nonfree works and xhamster works for me (jessie though) |
| 02:42.25 | coldiso | tracking down where the plugins are used in iceweasel is a pain |
| 02:42.31 | themill | coldiso: crap? |
| 02:42.32 | coldiso | and i have ot manage multiple version of java |
| 02:42.41 | coldiso | ok look its not crap it doesn't work for me |
| 02:42.58 | themill | maybe you should ask for help rather than making up things then |
| 02:42.59 | Gear_ | does that site work at all for you coldiso |
| 02:43.01 | coldiso | see i told you i was going to get flamed |
| 02:43.13 | themill | you'll get flamed for talking rubbish in any channel |
| 02:43.16 | coldiso | dude i am sitting in a bar i'm not going to start streaming gay porn |
| 02:43.17 | nicholosophy | Gear_: what do you actually get? |
| 02:43.27 | nicholosophy | when you try and go to the site |
| 02:43.31 | Gear_ | a black box an no sound |
| 02:43.42 | Gear_ | the video doesn't work |
| 02:43.43 | jpinx | Gear_: what country ? |
| 02:43.53 | Gear_ | australia, why? |
| 02:44.03 | Gear_ | all this worked with mageia but I got sick of kde |
| 02:44.06 | jpinx | many countries filter out stuff |
| 02:44.07 | coldiso | lets find a different site that doesn't work for you |
| 02:44.10 | coldiso | that is not pron |
| 02:44.17 | coldiso | what other site that has video doesn't work |
| 02:44.21 | k_sze[work] | A question to anybody who happens to be using keychain. |
| 02:44.24 | Gear_ | youtube works |
| 02:44.41 | coldiso | what else doesn't work that isn't porn |
| 02:45.00 | nicholosophy | Gear_: what version iceweasel? |
| 02:45.08 | k_sze[work] | Is there a built-in way to skip keychain? Sometimes I log into the shell for the first time and I don't want to be bothered with adding my keys to the ssh agent. |
| 02:45.41 | coldiso | k_sze stop using a lame desktop |
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| 02:45.42 | Gear_ | http://vimeo.com/75781782 |
| 02:45.47 | Gear_ | vimeo doesn't work |
| 02:46.28 | Gear_ | this is supposed to be an AWESOME video with robots, and I get a black screen with a hand icon when I go over it |
| 02:46.57 | nicholosophy | weird. works for me |
| 02:46.57 | coldiso | Gear_ vimeo works for me with firefox + adobe |
| 02:47.13 | Gear_ | ok I'm installing firefox |
| 02:47.26 | coldiso | your going to need to install the adobe flash plugin as well |
| 02:47.39 | coldiso | i'm going to try iceweasel just to see if it works for me |
| 02:47.50 | Gear_ | do I get it through the software installer or directly from firefox? |
| 02:47.50 | nicholosophy | or get Chrome since adobe doesn't support flash on linux any more |
| 02:48.10 | nicholosophy | s/support/provide updaets to/ |
| 02:48.10 | Gear_ | I don't like chrome at all |
| 02:48.29 | nicholosophy | well at least Chrome has a recent version of falsh inbuilt |
| 02:48.32 | jpinx | Gear_: some bbc news videos "don't work" for me because the bbc decided to not allow that specific content to be shown in my country. |
| 02:48.45 | Gear_ | I know the regional stuff, it's not because of that |
| 02:48.50 | Gear_ | only youtube works |
| 02:48.51 | jmcnaught | Gear_: in Iceweasel if you go to about:plugins is the flash plugin listed there, and which version? |
| 02:48.51 | Gear_ | nothing else |
| 02:48.56 | jpinx | just because a video doesn't work it does not mean your system is broken |
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| 02:49.04 | coldiso | so iceweasel works for me but it is using libflashplayer which is adobe |
| 02:49.51 | Gear_ | dude is here to fix my thinkpad, back soon |
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| 02:49.57 | nicholosophy | lol |
| 02:50.05 | nicholosophy | thinkpad > porn it seems |
| 02:50.07 | Gear_ | broken touchpad |
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| 02:50.12 | Gear_ | no |
| 02:50.13 | coldiso | hahahah |
| 02:50.39 | coldiso | there might be a message here for Gear_ =) |
| 02:53.57 | lkthomas | themill: I got it working after typo fixed |
| 02:54.00 | lkthomas | themill: thanks |
| 02:54.28 | themill | cool |
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| 02:55.00 | lkthomas | themill: by the way, right now I am running auto partition for /dev/sda, how could I partition other disk for other mount point ? |
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| 02:58.26 | themill | lkthomas: Can't say I've ever looked at that. You might need to look through the partman sources to work out what to do |
| 02:58.48 | lkthomas | themill: holy ! |
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| 02:59.04 | WizardGed | lkthomas: are you using the debian installer? |
| 02:59.07 | themill | it's just a few shells scripts |
| 02:59.37 | lkthomas | WizardGed: errr, d-i |
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| 03:05.18 | themill | k_sze[work]: how are you starting keychain normally? |
| 03:05.55 | k_sze[work] | themill: using the `eval` line in my .bashrc |
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| 03:06.15 | k_sze[work] | e.g.: eval `keychain --eval id_dsa` |
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| 03:07.16 | themill | k_sze[work]: so skipping that would require wrapping it in a conditional that asked you if you wanted to actually run keychain. That would get boring pretty quickly |
| 03:07.18 | k_sze[work] | I mean .profile, not .bashrc |
| 03:07.55 | k_sze[work] | themill: right. I wish I could just Ctrl+C and have it skip keychain, but not the rest of my .profile. |
| 03:08.24 | themill | wishes there were a good opportunistic ssh-agent |
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| 03:12.05 | Gear_ | on site warranty |
| 03:12.10 | Gear_ | thinkpads are awesome |
| 03:12.30 | Gear_ | I got the streaming video working, vimeo and the other sites |
| 03:12.41 | Gear_ | it must have been flash. |
| 03:12.54 | Gear_ | but I installed the vlc plugin too |
| 03:13.09 | Gear_ | actually I don't relaly know what it "must" have been |
| 03:13.35 | Gear_ | installed vlc and it works now. |
| 03:14.29 | Gear_ | how do I install firefox 30 from the site? it comes up with a tarball |
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| 03:16.04 | jmcnaught | Gear_: did you check the flash version you have installed in about:plugins? Installing Firefox probably won't fix the problem and also isn't supported here |
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| 03:16.55 | jpinx | Gear_: you could try the Videos WithOut Flash plugin ;) |
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| 03:17.05 | Gear_ | I type that into the address bar or what? |
| 03:18.03 | jmcnaught | Gear_: yes |
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| 03:22.30 | Gear_ | Version: 11,2,202,378 |
| 03:22.48 | Gear_ | in iceweasel |
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| 03:23.14 | mns | Gear_: you have VLC web plugin installed ? |
| 03:23.19 | Gear_ | I do now. |
| 03:23.26 | Gear_ | and the sites work |
| 03:23.55 | Gear_ | vimeo wasn't working, not it is |
| 03:23.59 | Gear_ | now |
| 03:24.03 | mns | cool. |
| 03:24.15 | Gear_ | now to get illustrating |
| 03:24.21 | mns | yeah that vimeo video about the robots worked for me just fine. |
| 03:24.32 | mns | illustrating ? |
| 03:24.33 | Gear_ | it works for me now, and it's awesome |
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| 03:24.46 | Gear_ | this thinkpad has a wacom digitizer |
| 03:24.58 | Gear_ | and I have to do drawings |
| 03:25.03 | mns | ahh ok |
| 03:25.12 | mns | good luck. |
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| 03:25.40 | Gear_ | there was a wacom widget in kde to turn the capacitative touchscreen off |
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| 03:25.54 | Gear_ | is there something quick like that for gnome? |
| 03:26.35 | Gear_ | I need to turn it on and off because my hand rests on the screen when using a pen, and it'll sense my hand instead of the pen if the touchscreen is still on, I need a way to quickly toggle it on and off |
| 03:27.30 | Gear_ | if it ever senses my hand instead of the pen it's already failed and I have to go back to kde |
| 03:31.10 | Gear_ | is gnu-radio in any the debian repositories? |
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| 03:34.18 | queso | I purchased a Brother network printer and am trying to get it to work. I've got the network cable connected from the printer directly into my computer -- can't it work that way? I can't ping the printer. |
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| 03:35.26 | jmcnaught | queso: the printer probably needs to be plugged into a router or switch. if you want to plug directly to the computer, use USB |
| 03:38.22 | queso | jmcnaught: Alright, thank you. I'll have to buy a cable to do that, so it won't be tonight. :) |
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| 03:46.01 | wolfmitchell | queso, iirc the printer uses dhcp to find an ip so unless you have a dhcpd running it probably wouldn't work anyway |
| 03:46.28 | wolfmitchell | queso, but those printers are really easy to set up with cups, I did it a few weeks ago with no problem |
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| 03:47.00 | Gear_ | how can I make a quick shortcut somewhere to switch the touchscreen on my thinkpad on and off |
| 03:47.12 | Gear_ | in kde there was a widget that did it |
| 03:47.18 | wolfmitchell | Gear_, idk |
| 03:47.26 | wolfmitchell | I don't really use a touchpad :p |
| 03:47.32 | Gear_ | touch screen |
| 03:47.43 | Gear_ | I have to turn the touch screen off while drawing |
| 03:47.45 | Gear_ | with a pen |
| 03:47.49 | wolfmitchell | oh |
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| 03:47.57 | queso | wolfmitchell: I need to figure out the correct "device URI." I've tried pretty much everything I can think of. I guess I just need a USB cable because I don't have a printer plugged into a router (I have it plugged in directly to the computer). |
| 03:47.58 | wolfmitchell | either way I don't use one :p |
| 03:47.59 | Gear_ | it has a digitizer and a touch screen, the touch screen messes with drawing |
| 03:48.19 | wolfmitchell | queso, you don't have a router to plug it into? |
| 03:48.21 | Gear_ | that's not what I was asking :) |
| 03:48.30 | queso | wolfmitchell: The problem is it's in the kitchen. |
| 03:48.35 | wolfmitchell | queso, ah |
| 03:48.42 | wolfmitchell | Gear_, aka i have no idea how to do that :p |
| 03:49.00 | Gear_ | then why answer? |
| 03:49.09 | jmcnaught | queso: move the printer to the kitchen? i think the whole point of a network printer is that it doesn't have to be right beside your computer |
| 03:49.17 | wolfmitchell | Gear_, well, there may be some xinput thing, but not sure |
| 03:49.34 | queso | jmcnaught: If they would just ship the thing with a USB cable... |
| 03:49.52 | Gear_ | I'm giving gnome a chance but so far it's limiting the options of my computer |
| 03:50.06 | wolfmitchell | queso, yeah, i had to have one for the inital setup, I just used the one from my arduino |
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| 03:50.39 | jmcnaught | Gear_: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/131/touchpad-indicator/ (first google result) |
| 03:51.56 | jmcnaught | Gear_: as for your gnuradio question, you can search for packages here: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages or with "apt-cache search gnuradio" or using the search feature of Synaptic |
| 03:52.14 | Gear_ | jmnaught |
| 03:52.18 | Gear_ | touch SCREEN |
| 03:52.43 | Gear_ | this folds into a tablet |
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| 03:52.54 | jmcnaught | Gear_: did you read the description, it includes touchscreen. Maybe give it a try? |
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| 03:55.06 | Gear_ | it does, sorry. how do I install that? |
| 03:55.42 | Gear_ | oh right, with the button, snazzy |
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| 03:57.40 | Gear_ | it doesn't have an option to turn the other things on or off |
| 03:58.04 | Gear_ | I need to turn the trackpoint, touchscreen, AND trackpad off |
| 03:58.26 | Gear_ | turn everything off except the wacom pen digitizer in the screen |
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| 03:59.04 | danols | when you compile something using ./make where the hell does it store the files ? |
| 04:01.38 | themill | Do you really mean "./make"? |
| 04:01.40 | jmcnaught | danols: the make command usually puts stuff somewhere in the directory tree that you're working in. if you mean "make install" it usually puts stuff in /usr/local but not always.. sometimes it just sprays stuff all over your system |
| 04:02.57 | danols | jmcnaught: that's what I thought too |
| 04:03.08 | buu | Read the makefile. |
| 04:03.14 | danols | ok |
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| 04:03.35 | themill | well "./make" quite possibly isn't going to be using a Makefile... |
| 04:03.44 | buu | themill: I'm pretending he didn't say that. |
| 04:04.01 | themill | buu: I've dealt with enough batshit insane build systems to not disbelieve it |
| 04:04.11 | buu | Well, no, but it makes me happier this way. |
| 04:04.15 | themill | :) |
| 04:04.22 | danols | I've scanned through the Makefile already nothing stood out at me |
| 04:04.34 | buu | danols: What the hell are you actually asking? |
| 04:04.43 | danols | maybe it's not building anything (trying to cross compile) and not erroring out either ? |
| 04:04.53 | jmcnaught | danols: also worth reading would be the INSTALL or README files for whatever you're trying to compile |
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| 04:05.41 | danols | I am trying to cross compile a program, it seems to work but I have no idea where the files are being generated, i've tried searching using find with no success so maybe the build doesn't work actually ? |
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| 04:06.13 | danols | (the compiling works without cross compiling just normal ./configure ./make) |
| 04:06.22 | jmcnaught | danols: the software you're trying to compile, maybe it has a support channel or forum? we really wouldn't know anything about it |
| 04:06.30 | danols | k |
| 04:06.52 | danols | but the 'common' thing to do is somewhere in the `src` folder yes? |
| 04:07.09 | danols | where the binaries would be deposited ? |
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| 04:07.39 | buu | danols: It should be producing the final versions somewhere under the cwd, yes |
| 04:07.44 | buu | Probably not in src |
| 04:07.57 | buu | danols: Do you see literally zero output when you type 'make' ? |
| 04:08.16 | mns | Is it normal to have temperatures of 55C for the laptop ? |
| 04:08.25 | buu | danols: Also ./make is .. really.. really strange |
| 04:08.36 | Cpuroast | mns: that's within tolerance for most cpus |
| 04:08.38 | Cpuroast | yes |
| 04:08.38 | Gear_ | 55c is pretty normal isn't it? |
| 04:08.46 | danols | found it |
| 04:09.18 | Gear_ | so "widgets" in kde are gnome extensions in gnome? |
| 04:09.19 | danols | human error - thank you for verifying it should be somewhere under the cwd folder |
| 04:09.29 | danols | but it didn't cross compile hmm |
| 04:09.47 | mns | cpuroast, Gear_ : its pretty warm to the touch, not something that used to happen on the thinkpad T430 before. |
| 04:09.55 | Cpuroast | 55c is fine |
| 04:09.58 | buu | mns: is that cpu temperature or case temperature? |
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| 04:10.08 | Cpuroast | could be busier than usual |
| 04:10.11 | buu | mns: And what is the load average? |
| 04:10.12 | Cpuroast | doing something |
| 04:10.17 | Gear_ | I dunno, mine seems a bit busier than it did with kde |
| 04:10.36 | Gear_ | I can hear it over the zero noise at all |
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| 04:11.01 | mns | buu: its what xfce4-sensors call coretemp-0, and load average is 0.22 |
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| 04:11.32 | mns | I've disabled flash in chromium, so nothing like that is running. |
| 04:11.43 | Gear_ | 55c is about average isn't it? it's not hot and it's not cool |
| 04:12.04 | buu | Gear_: It seems *slightly* high for an idle cpu, but there could be a ton of factors. |
| 04:12.12 | buu | Its obviously no where near danger levels. |
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| 04:12.49 | Gear_ | so I search gnome extensions if I want the equivalent of "widgets" ? |
| 04:12.57 | themill | I'm always loathe to really believe such numbers anyway: http://paste.debian.net/105572/ |
| 04:15.25 | mns | themill: that's a lot of thermal sensors you've got. all I got is thermal 0 |
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| 04:16.00 | themill | I don't believe either 127℃ or 0℃ though... so at that stage, the number of sensors isn't really relevant |
| 04:16.27 | mns | I was asking because the case feels pretty warm, unlike before. |
| 04:16.46 | Gear_ | how do I remove gnome extensions |
| 04:16.51 | Gear_ | and how do I find them |
| 04:17.01 | Cpuroast | 54c is probably cpu |
| 04:17.02 | Cpuroast | 29,39 and 41 |
| 04:17.02 | Cpuroast | one of those is probably hdd |
| 04:17.04 | Cpuroast | who knows what else |
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| 04:22.47 | Gear_ | I just installed some gnome extension, how do I remove it? |
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| 04:23.25 | Gear_ | so far, gnome is more annoying than intuitive |
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| 04:24.24 | Gear_ | I'll be going back to another distro with kde if this crap continues |
| 04:25.24 | themill | debian has kde |
| 04:26.02 | Gear_ | yes it does but I need to give gnome a chance |
| 04:26.18 | themill | that's not what you said 2 minutes ago |
| 04:26.31 | Gear_ | I asked how to install and remove extensions |
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| 04:26.57 | Gear_ | I said so far it's more annoying than intuitive, if I wasn't giving it a chance, I'd be uninstalling it right now and going back to kde |
| 04:27.20 | Gear_ | if it can be set up properly then I might be able to use it |
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| 04:30.01 | Gear_ | I just installed some kind of trackpad switch on/off thing, how do I uninstall it? |
| 04:30.14 | Gear_ | I want to remove the stupid "accessibility" options too |
| 04:30.15 | buu | How did you install it? |
| 04:30.25 | Gear_ | from the gnome extensions website |
| 04:30.33 | buu | I suggest looking there. |
| 04:30.34 | ElDiabolo | Gear_, There is a set of packaged gnome extensions in wheezy. |
| 04:30.43 | buu | Also I'm sure there's a gnome channel that would be happy to help you. |
| 04:30.44 | Gear_ | someone pasted the link in here |
| 04:30.56 | Gear_ | debian uses gnome as default |
| 04:31.06 | Gear_ | so far it might as well BE gnome |
| 04:31.29 | buu | no |
| 04:31.33 | themill | if "by default" you mean "you asked it to install gnome and it did" |
| 04:32.09 | buu | Debian is, essentially, a package manager and repositories. Whatever you have, you asked it to do. |
| 04:32.14 | Gear_ | so debian doesn't use gnome by default |
| 04:32.22 | Gear_ | that is not correct. |
| 04:32.29 | jmcnaught | Gear_: https://extensions.gnome.org/local/ The way you installed it was hitting the on/off switch to on. Switch it back off. |
| 04:33.09 | buu | Gear_: I assure you I have many, many debian machines without gnome. |
| 04:33.53 | jmcnaught | Gear_: please don't forget that Debian, including this channel, is powered by volunteers. If you're getting frustrated maybe it's time for a break. You might find things get easier once you read more documentation. Also please stop pressing enter so much :) |
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| 04:34.59 | Gear_ | I will, how do I remove the accessibility stuff like the high contrast fonts, magnifier and all that garbage? and how do I find other gnome extensions? |
| 04:36.02 | Gear_ | I'd like to put a minimise and maximise button in the windows at least, is there a way to customise that? |
| 04:36.22 | buu | Gah, go ask the gnome channel |
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| 04:36.46 | jamb | hey guys |
| 04:37.21 | jamb | does debian require me to install new releases periodically, or is it a rolling distribution where i can always update packages to the most patched system? |
| 04:38.52 | jmcnaught | jamb: it's not a rolling distribution, but you can always upgrade from stable release to stable release. The stable release gets security updates and bugfixes, but most of the packages remain at the same version until the next stable release. |
| 04:40.39 | jamb | ok |
| 04:40.53 | jamb | also, is there a server flavor of debian? |
| 04:41.15 | themill | jamb: there's no need for one |
| 04:41.44 | jamb | ok so i would just install debian and install minimal packages + server software i need? |
| 04:41.57 | themill | sure |
| 04:42.30 | jmcnaught | jamb: if this is for a server you should also spend some time reading the documentation of course :) |
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| 04:48.01 | Gear_ | can someone tell me if there's a menu or something to customise gnome |
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| 04:48.33 | Gear_ | at least to remove the disability options like the magnifier and all that other useless stuff |
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| 04:52.23 | Gear_ | it would be helpful if the window contained an icon of what it was. |
| 04:53.00 | Gear_ | and the option to minimise it |
| 04:54.51 | OpenTokix | Gear_: I use the setting uninstall gnome and install xfce4 =) |
| 04:55.54 | Gear_ | I tried xfce4 and didn't like it |
| 04:56.28 | dalias | lxde is also decent |
| 04:57.14 | OpenTokix | I should try lxde sometime |
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| 05:30.20 | dalias | i don't know an easy way, but i'm not sure it's impossible either |
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| 05:34.48 | JC_SoCal | i have a question on a shadow file entry, I am trying to break down the hash: |
| 05:34.48 | JC_SoCal | user1:$1$acWgm3eD$aWaiMiJDMll3sdf.2FaaY.:13696:0:99999:7::: |
| 05:34.48 | JC_SoCal | the ID is $1$ which means MD5, acWgm3eD is the salt and aWaiMiJDMll3sdf.2FaaY. is the hash -- however the docs I am reading say the salt for MD5 should be only two characters |
| 05:35.05 | JC_SoCal | what am i missing |
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| 05:41.04 | buu | JC_SoCal: What docs are those? |
| 05:43.05 | JC_SoCal | buu: thats a great question, because now I can't find it =( |
| 05:45.10 | jmcnaught | JC_SoCal: possibly crypt(3) ? |
| 05:45.25 | JC_SoCal | that sounds very familiar |
| 05:45.32 | JC_SoCal | yes |
| 05:46.21 | formorer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.24 | formorer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.27 | formorer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.40 | formorer | crypt(3) has nothing about the exact size of the salt |
| 05:46.57 | ezhik`_ | hey guys |
| 05:47.09 | ezhik`_ | can soembody explain to me why defining static ip in debian leads to packet drops? |
| 05:47.14 | ezhik`_ | but if it is issued through dhcp |
| 05:47.15 | ezhik`_ | it runs ok? |
| 05:47.19 | ezhik`_ | 0 dropped. |
| 05:47.25 | buu | ezhik`_: Because your router hates you? |
| 05:47.48 | ezhik`_ | buu: do you have a better answer? |
| 05:48.00 | buu | Do you have a better question? |
| 05:48.24 | ezhik`_ | do you you even understand the question? |
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| 12:56.47 | formorer | it is from backports. |
| 12:56.59 | formorer | the kernel depends on a newer version |
| 12:57.20 | Lope | I could not find firmware-linux-free here: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/allpackages |
| 12:57.56 | formorer | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 12:58.05 | formorer | is there a reason you don't like the search interface? |
| 12:58.08 | MaxFrames | I think the 71 packages to be installed are those that I installed manually or marked for manual installation |
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| 13:00.08 | MaxFrames | mm, nope, synaptics says that the "installed (manual)" packages are _many_ more than those |
| 13:00.14 | MaxFrames | can anyone help me? |
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| 13:01.39 | Lope | formorer: I didn't notice the search before. Okay I tried the search now. I searched for firmware-linux-free searching on "package names only" distro: experimental, unstable, testing, stable" it didn't find it... how can I search backports? |
| 13:01.51 | formorer | oh man. |
| 13:01.57 | formorer | http://backports.debian.org/Packages/ |
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| 13:02.28 | Eremiell | MaxFrames: what exactly is your problem? you're about to upgrade to newer version and you've got some new packages. |
| 13:03.13 | MaxFrames | I am preparing to upgrade, and the documentation says that I should start aptitude in visual mode and see that there are no pending actions ("g" key) |
| 13:03.37 | MaxFrames | I have 74 pending actions (3 unused package removals and 71 package installs) |
| 13:03.50 | MaxFrames | I can't explain the 71 package installs, most of all |
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| 13:04.17 | MaxFrames | these are packages that are already installed, as far as I can see, or at least I recognize some of them as being installed |
| 13:04.17 | Eremiell | MaxFrames: hmm, did you upgrade on your current build? |
| 13:04.54 | Eremiell | MaxFrames: run update and dist-upgrade on current release first. |
| 13:05.20 | Eremiell | MaxFrames: you can also do autoremove --purge while at it. |
| 13:05.32 | MaxFrames | 1) I don't know what it means and 2) what do these commands do and what is the exact syntax? |
| 13:05.33 | Lope | formorer: I searched http://backports.debian.org/Packages/ for firmware-linux-free and it found nothing? |
| 13:05.58 | MaxFrames | I need step by step instructions if at all possible |
| 13:06.05 | MaxFrames | thanks in advance |
| 13:06.40 | formorer | Lope: firmware-linux-free is from wheezy. |
| 13:06.42 | MaxFrames | to sum it up: i'm on squeeze and synaptics package manager says I'm full up to date |
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| 13:07.15 | MaxFrames | I always used synaptics to update, and I currently have hundreds of packages in synaptics marked as "installed (manual)" (dunno why) |
| 13:07.26 | Eremiell | MaxFrames: to be honest, I can't navigate aptitude in it's ncurses mode. I sometimes use oneliners like aptitude show. I do all my stuff in apt. No idea what synaptics is. |
| 13:08.08 | MaxFrames | it's another package manager, I use it in lightdm (I connect to debian with xrdp to a lightdm session) |
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| 13:08.23 | MaxFrames | what is the ncurses mode? |
| 13:08.45 | Eremiell | MaxFrames: I can navigate you the apt way, or you can try to find someone else, who knows synaptic or aptitude. |
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| 13:08.46 | MaxFrames | a series of one line commands is fine, I can ssh to the machine |
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| 13:09.11 | MaxFrames | the thing is, the documentation explicitly says to use aptitude |
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| 13:09.24 | MaxFrames | the aptitude actions queue should be empty, which it isn't |
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| 13:09.36 | formorer | MaxFrames: where? |
| 13:09.37 | MaxFrames | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#review-actions |
| 13:09.39 | mccajm | Can anyone recommend a book or an online resource which what system calls are called in various situations, e.g. calling a command from the cli, opening a network connection etc |
| 13:10.08 | MaxFrames | "in some cases, the use of apt-get for installing packages instead of aptitude....." and I indeed always used apt-get |
| 13:10.22 | formorer | just don't use aptitude. |
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| 13:11.24 | jelly | MaxFrames: run "aptitude -sy full-upgrade", inspect the output, then run "apt-cache policy packagename1 packagename2" on some of those packages set for upgrade to see their current and desired state. |
| 13:11.25 | MaxFrames | formorer: I'd gladly not use it, but the thing is, the documentation is saying that I should ensure that it's actions list is empty |
| 13:11.50 | formorer | MaxFrames: when you don't use aptitude during the upgrade, you don't have to care about aptitude. |
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| 13:12.13 | formorer | MaxFrames: and if you never used it, it is much wiser to stay far, far away from it. |
| 13:12.34 | jelly | formorer: on the other hand, it does some things better than apt |
| 13:12.41 | formorer | I never found one. |
| 13:12.49 | jelly | esp. once you make its state sane |
| 13:12.50 | formorer | except of that it always tries to remove my whole system |
| 13:12.55 | MaxFrames | so jelly, formorer, what do I do? nothing at all (formorer) or run some aptitude commands (jelly)? |
| 13:13.28 | jelly | formorer: that can be fixed by telling it you want to keep some of those installed. |
| 13:13.43 | formorer | it usually doesn't give me the chance. |
| 13:13.46 | Lope | formorer: Just incase you want an opinion of the website's ease of use... neither https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports nor https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/allpackages have a search feature. only if you go all the way up to https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages and scroll down there is a search feature and it looks like "THE (only) SEARCH FEATURE" but then somehow there is another search available on a different subdomain http://backports. |
| 13:13.46 | Lope | debian.org/Packages/ |
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| 13:14.00 | formorer | apt worked for more than 15 years for me. |
| 13:14.02 | formorer | aptitude never. |
| 13:14.11 | Eremiell | MaxFrames: your bet. pick a way (apt or aptitude) and stay with it. |
| 13:14.31 | Lope | formorer: then only if you go INTO a package, then suddenly a small search box appears for the first time at the top of the page. https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/initramfs-tools |
| 13:14.35 | formorer | Lope: I am not the maintainer of the debian websites. the backports website has a direct link. |
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| 13:15.43 | Lope | formorer: when I'm here https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/ I don't see any links to the backports subdomain...? |
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| 13:16.06 | formorer | thats not my business. feel free to submit a package against packages.d.o |
| 13:16.13 | formorer | eh a bug |
| 13:16.26 | skribblezatcha | good morning. |
| 13:17.15 | MaxFrames | _very_ confusing. the doc I linked does not mention that step as being optional and does not say one needs to perform it only if he has used aptitude to install stuff; quite the contrary, it suggests it should be performed when aptitude was _not_ used to install some packages |
| 13:17.50 | MaxFrames | it basically says: if you want to ensure a smooth upgrade, make sure that aptitude has no pending actions. |
| 13:18.00 | themill | MaxFrames: just follow the instructions in the release notes. |
| 13:18.17 | MaxFrames | those _are_ the instructions in the release notes |
| 13:18.39 | themill | MaxFrames: no, you're adding in other opinions from other people. Just follow what is written there. |
| 13:19.02 | MaxFrames | " If it shows any actions, you should review them and either fix them or implement the suggested actions" |
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| 13:19.35 | MaxFrames | I don't know how to "fix them or implement the suggested actions" |
| 13:19.39 | xiqsjvfy | MaxFrames: If you have never used aptitude, it's very odd indeed that it would have pending actions. |
| 13:19.40 | formorer | some time ago (for exactly one release) aptitude was the recommended method to do an upgrade. |
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| 13:19.53 | formorer | it may be possible that this paragraph is a leftover |
| 13:20.12 | cods | for the log, about my question above, I just had to rename the file "iflan.100" to "iflan100" (without changing its content.) Stupid me. |
| 13:20.42 | Eremiell | MaxFrames: various walktroughs are writen by various people. when I do something new, I usually read a few of them to have an idea. after all, you decide the way. things might be odd, even broken. even on official sites. think before you type. |
| 13:20.54 | themill | MaxFrames: what are these pending actions? |
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| 13:21.42 | MaxFrames | themill: as I wrote before, I have 3 "packages to remove because they are unused" and 71 "packages to be installed" |
| 13:21.56 | themill | I read that already |
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| 13:22.05 | MaxFrames | it's those 71 that I cannot explain |
| 13:22.17 | themill | neither can I if you don't tell me about them |
| 13:22.29 | Johnon | Hi, I have installed viber.deb with Gdebi but it doesn't start. what should I do to make it work? |
| 13:23.10 | MaxFrames | themill: I can pastebin the list maybe? |
| 13:23.17 | themill | that'd be great |
| 13:23.23 | MaxFrames | hang on |
| 13:23.32 | Johnon | apt-get upgrade |
| 13:23.45 | MaxFrames | I'm slow since I need to figure out pretty much how to do anything |
| 13:23.45 | Johnon | sorry! |
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| 13:25.26 | MaxFrames | how do I copy and paste the list, from aptitude visual mode? |
| 13:26.05 | themill | you could just run "aptitude search '!?action(keep)'" |
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| 13:27.46 | MaxFrames | wrong syntax it seems |
| 13:27.57 | MaxFrames | " ")" is requested" |
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| 13:28.22 | MaxFrames | sod it. I missed it |
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| 13:28.44 | GLiX | Hi! |
| 13:29.03 | GLiX | I was guessing If someone could provide some advice to me... |
| 13:29.29 | GLiX | I already know about Debian, I had it running on my gf laptop |
| 13:29.39 | GLiX | At mine its running right now Linux Mint |
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| 13:30.26 | GLiX | I have the /home dir on one partition, an "Ext4 Data" partition, and the sys installed in a 15 GB partition |
| 13:30.40 | MaxFrames | themill: http://pastebin.com/uz843tX2 |
| 13:30.53 | anddam | hi, I'm ssh'ing into a debian stable and my remote shell gets my Italian LANG that I didn't generate on remote host |
| 13:31.03 | Johnon | GLiX, you should go on Mint chat support, this is just for Debian |
| 13:31.05 | MaxFrames | this is the list of the 71 packages that are in the aptitude install queue |
| 13:31.06 | anddam | so I set LANG to en_US.UTF-8 on the debian remote host |
| 13:31.09 | GLiX | Could I install Debian just modifing the sys partition? |
| 13:31.19 | GLiX | I wanna switch the system to Debian |
| 13:31.26 | anddam | this solves the LANG setting but then as side effect LANGUAGE switches from en_US.UTF-8 to en_US:en |
| 13:31.28 | anddam | why is that? |
| 13:31.32 | GLiX | That's why I'm here... =p |
| 13:31.37 | GLiX | I wanna stay |
| 13:32.05 | anddam | GLiX: are you asking permission to install Debian? that's new |
| 13:32.15 | GLiX | No I'm not... |
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| 13:32.27 | GLiX | I'm not a noob in GNU or Linux |
| 13:32.32 | anddam | (and gives a new whole meaning to the concept of freedom) |
| 13:32.36 | MaxFrames | themill: I am checking if any of those is already installed, either way I can't figure out why aptitude wants to install/reinstall them |
| 13:32.39 | themill | MaxFrames: so if you can't see any reason to install those packages, use "aptitude keep-all" to forget those suggestions. |
| 13:32.43 | Eremiell | GLiX: sure. just run the installer, pick hand partitioning, mount your current / as new / and pick to format it and mount your current /home as your new /home without formatting. done. |
| 13:33.00 | GLiX | Yes, that's what I was asking for... |
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| 13:33.06 | anddam | got it |
| 13:33.15 | GLiX | I've been on GNU/Linux for while... |
| 13:33.21 | themill | MaxFrames: they are possibly left over from you hitting ^C on a previous aptitude run or from putting things into dpkg --set-selections but never actually telling apt to do it |
| 13:33.27 | GLiX | But more on embedded devices than PCs |
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| 13:34.17 | Eremiell | GLiX: hope you're not going to do some crazy stuff on that 15GB. nono texlive-full or matlab. :) |
| 13:34.24 | GLiX | Thx so much Eremiell that's just what I needed to check before start the installer. I wish I will be here in a while... |
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| 13:34.29 | GLiX | Of course not |
| 13:34.46 | GLiX | I write some code... But anything big |
| 13:34.47 | anddam | also I'm getting "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory" possibly beacuse I set default locale to None, but I did that following the wiki since that's suggested when users will connect via ssh |
| 13:35.14 | GLiX | after installing I'm shure I will tidy up my HDD and expand the / partition |
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| 13:35.58 | GLiX | I work more with the Raspberry Pi, Arduino, Routers with OpenWRT and things like that |
| 13:36.03 | MaxFrames | ok a sample check seems to indicate that none of those packages is currently installed. I don't see why I'd want to install them so I'll do what you said and "forget" them |
| 13:36.09 | GLiX | For computers its small stuff |
| 13:36.11 | MaxFrames | aptitude keep-all |
| 13:36.50 | MaxFrames | doesn't this command tell aptitude to _not_ uninstall stuff the wants to _uninstall_? |
| 13:37.08 | MaxFrames | I have 3 of those but want to take care of those later |
| 13:37.26 | MaxFrames | right now I want to tell aptitude to clear the "install pending" list |
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| 13:39.39 | jelly | anddam: "None" does not look like a correct setting. Which wiki was that ? "C" would have been saner, or no value at all |
| 13:39.52 | anddam | jelly: https://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
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| 13:39.59 | anddam | " If you have users who access the system through ssh, it is recommended that you choose None as your default locale." |
| 13:40.29 | anddam | I did the usual broken half-assed solution by TIAS, ended up setting LANG, LANGUAGE and LC_LCTYPE in my shell config |
| 13:40.39 | anddam | I hope one day I'll the time to penetrate the dark secret of locales |
| 13:40.42 | anddam | I'll have* |
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| 13:41.15 | jelly | anddam: the context is probably the "Configuring locales" chooser menu in "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 13:41.16 | anddam | jelly: it wasn't a literal "None", it was the "None" option in locales package ncurses configuration |
| 13:42.22 | Eremiell | anddam: as long as you default to en_US.UTF-8 on all machines, things just work and you can pretend, the dark magic's not there. ;) |
| 13:43.02 | jelly | ooh, new kernel and apt in squeeze-lts |
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| 13:43.53 | anddam | Eremiell: oh but I can feel it in the shadow, slowly reaching for my localized soul |
| 13:44.36 | jelly | judd: bye bye |
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| 13:45.30 | anddam | how long is lts? |
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| 13:45.41 | themill | dpkg: tell anddam about squeeze-lts |
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| 13:46.07 | caraconan | Hi there. Using awesome, how can I "empty" a xdg-open setting? http://paste.debian.net/105652/ |
| 13:46.24 | caraconan | Basically I would like to force chromium to open .eml file, instead of calling Icedove |
| 13:47.08 | caraconan | Ok, I see, with uninstall |
| 13:47.13 | caraconan | man is your friend |
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| 13:47.57 | anddam | thanks, out of curiosity why is #debian-lts on oftc? |
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| 13:48.26 | jelly | anddam: almost everything #debian-* is on oftc, oftc = irc.debian.org |
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| 13:50.19 | caraconan | No, I'm still not able to do it... |
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| 13:51.32 | MaxFrames | ok, I think I've ironed out the procedure. thanks |
| 13:51.50 | Eremiell | caraconan: if you have some DE, you should be able to set it by the "open with..." dialogue. |
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| 13:53.33 | caraconan | Eremiell: I have a very limited desktop environment, ans I want to force chromium to open .eml file |
| 13:55.15 | Eremiell | caraconan: on my DE (MATE), I right click a file (any *.eml in your case), select open with... and check many this program default. must be something similar on your DE. |
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| 13:55.32 | Eremiell | *make |
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| 13:56.12 | LinPC_ | ? |
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| 13:56.42 | LinPC_ | #join #pclinuxos |
| 13:56.53 | Eremiell | caraconan: or you can try to play with update-alternatives |
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| 13:57.04 | bezaban | LinPC_: /join #pclinuxos :) |
| 13:57.14 | LinPC_ | :) tks |
| 13:57.19 | bezaban | with / as the first character |
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| 13:57.34 | bezaban | :) |
| 13:57.58 | caraconan | Eremiell: I think it will be easier to understand the xdg-mime uninstall sintaxis |
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| 13:58.38 | Eremiell | caraconan: to each his own ;) |
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| 14:01.52 | marscher | Hi, how do I achieve the following with rsync. I have a 2 month old backup and need to figure out, which files have been deleted since (and resync them to dst)? |
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| 14:03.06 | caraconan | No way... I followed the "open with", but later on chromium uses xdg-mime |
| 14:03.17 | marscher | it would be ideal to only display deleted files, since I accidently deleted some of them and so changed files are not of intereset. Is there way to display them first (and not the complete file list, which is super large ~200k)? |
| 14:03.38 | marscher | s/intereset/intrest/ |
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| 14:04.44 | jelly | marscher: were any (other) files changed? If not, just do a rsync dry-run |
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| 14:08.17 | Walex | marscher: 'man rsync' for '--ignore-existing' and '--existing' |
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| 14:09.00 | Walex | marscher: you can also use 'grep' or similar selected only the lines beginning "*deleted*" from the 'rsync' output. |
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| 14:12.39 | caraconan | What's the reverse of "xdg-mime default" command? I'm not able to see how you can define that a certain MIME type is no longer supposed to be opened by a certain desktop application by default |
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| 14:37.22 | HD|Lapto1 | hey all |
| 14:37.35 | HD|Lapto1 | i'm trying to run openvt -c 20 -f -s -e "ps fuax" |
| 14:37.40 | HD|Lapto1 | but I get openvt: Unable to open /dev/tty20: Operation not permitted |
| 14:37.43 | HD|Lapto1 | why? i'm root |
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| 14:38.02 | HD|Lapto1 | deallocvt 20 didnt help either |
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| 14:38.25 | Purpletoast | I think I can speak for us all when I ask: why don't we just kill them at birth? I'm sick of the fucking Jews. I wish we could bring all the ones who died in the Holocaust back to life and then kill them again. Along with the rest of the bastards |
| 14:39.04 | HD|Lapto1 | gtfo nazi Oo |
| 14:39.28 | centrx | !ops troll purpletoast |
| 14:39.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: centrx complains about: troll purpletoast |
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| 14:39.46 | vilmibm | thank you |
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| 14:39.58 | HD|Lapto1 | thx |
| 14:40.01 | babilen | heh |
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| 14:40.44 | centrx | HD|Lapto1, Maybe it's not attached to anything, even if the device file exists? |
| 14:40.56 | MaxFrames | HD|Lapto1: hiya |
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| 14:41.19 | MaxFrames | did you solve the issue with the non working display? |
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| 14:41.36 | Gear_ | why can't I mount an external drive? |
| 14:41.45 | Gear_ | usb drive |
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| 14:42.01 | mtn | !ask |
| 14:42.01 | Gear_ | hard drive, western digital 2tb, it won't mount |
| 14:42.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:42.20 | Gear_ | running debian 7.5 |
| 14:42.21 | HD|Lapto1 | MaxFrames: nope, VNC decided to just display a black screen. we ended up borrowing the machine of a friend and cloning the disk |
| 14:42.36 | centrx | Gear_, Is the block device for the HD shown when you run: lsblk |
| 14:42.42 | HD|Lapto1 | MaxFrames: was a horrible mess with the drivers but we got the software working |
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| 14:42.52 | Gear_ | I'm running debian 7.5 with gnome and when I try to mount an ntfs hard drive it will not mount, saying I should mount it from root |
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| 14:43.14 | HD|Lapto1 | centrx: chvt 20 does work |
| 14:43.15 | centrx | Gear_, By default, you need to be root to mount a drive |
| 14:43.19 | Gear_ | I am |
| 14:43.35 | Gear_ | it doesn't let me enter a password or anything |
| 14:43.51 | Gear_ | it just won't mount, I had to mount it with gparted to get some stuff off it |
| 14:44.23 | MaxFrames | HD|Lapto1: amazing that you were able to move a windows xp install to different hardware w/o reinstalling |
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| 14:45.31 | Gear_ | I need to "be" root? I'm the only user and every time I have to do something it asks for a password |
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| 14:45.37 | HD|Lapto1 | MaxFrames: i've actually done that a couple of times... as long as the chipset and gpu vendors are the same, its not even that difficult |
| 14:45.43 | Gear_ | there will never be another user on this machine |
| 14:45.54 | HD|Lapto1 | MaxFrames: turned out the GPU was nvidia and due to heat the power regulator was fried |
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| 14:46.09 | themill | dpkg: tell Gear_ about ntfsrw |
| 14:46.15 | Gear_ | it asks for root permissions for everything else, when I try to mount an external drive it comes up with an error |
| 14:46.24 | MaxFrames | i.e. exactly what I had guessed, HD|Lapto1 ! |
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| 14:47.20 | centrx | Gear_, If you are running basic commands on the command line, it will not ask you the root password and then run the command as root |
| 14:47.30 | centrx | Gear_, You must use sudo or su to change to root when running the command |
| 14:47.42 | Gear_ | I just want to plug the hard drive in |
| 14:48.11 | Gear_ | seriously? you have to type command line shit to mount a hard drive? |
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| 14:48.20 | HD|Lapto1 | MaxFrames: I still had a bit of hope left to salvage the machine without having to go the hard route |
| 14:48.35 | Gear_ | an external drive? |
| 14:48.54 | centrx | Gear_, That is how I do it. You may have a different set up that is having difficulty automounting the drive. |
| 14:49.10 | Gear_ | no, it just WON'T mount the drive |
| 14:49.12 | themill | Gear_: ntfs requires additional work |
| 14:49.41 | MaxFrames | Gear_: have you tried what centrx suggested? |
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| 14:50.42 | Gear_ | you mean type a bunch of command line shit to be able to plug in an external drive |
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| 14:50.56 | MaxFrames | Gear_: why are you using debian? |
| 14:51.14 | MaxFrames | or more generally speaking, gnu/linux? |
| 14:51.23 | themill | Gear_: how about you take a break and come back tomorrow when you want some help |
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| 14:54.24 | tharkun | Gear_: You can plug your external hdd and you can connect to it using nautilus if you have gnome or your regular file browser according to your Desktop Environment. |
| 14:54.31 | Metaleer | He /parted. |
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| 15:07.08 | waydot | i just saw the news (probably a bit old) that debian is adopting systemd |
| 15:07.35 | waydot | can someone reassure me that this is not as terrible as it may seem? |
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| 15:08.12 | jaakkos | waydot: no |
| 15:08.18 | jelly | waydot: this is not as terrible as you may think |
| 15:08.27 | centrx | waydot, I assure you, this is not as terrible as it may seem. |
| 15:08.35 | epsas | it's in testing |
| 15:08.43 | jelly | it's WORSE bawahahaha |
| 15:08.51 | waydot | lol |
| 15:09.05 | centrx | waydot, 1) systemd is probably not as terrible as some people seem to think |
| 15:09.20 | centrx | waydot, 2) Debian supports multiple init systems, you can continue to use sysvinit |
| 15:09.42 | jelly | if I got used to daemontools and learned to like them, I can get used to a bloated up version thereof |
| 15:09.45 | waydot | oh good, #2 is comforting |
| 15:10.26 | jelly | dpkg, comfort waydot |
| 15:10.26 | dpkg | There, there, waydot. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:10.45 | jaakkos | i think for a number of people, worse than systemd is Lennart Poettering's attitude in general |
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| 15:11.24 | jelly | jaakkos: author's attitude in not subject of this channel. -> #debian-offtopic |
| 15:12.09 | waydot | what really hit me today is that it includes all sorts of replacement, among them journald which implies the end of text logs |
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| 15:12.56 | waydot | i find it a bit silly, since more and more stuff seems to be migrating towards text form (think all the xml) |
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| 15:13.15 | themill | waydot: that's not true. syslog still exists but journalctl is much better |
| 15:13.30 | waydot | i dont know how distro guys will handle all the options |
| 15:13.44 | waydot | better means faster? |
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| 15:14.02 | themill | and much more informative |
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| 15:14.16 | jaakkos | i'm also not convinced supporting multiple init systems is a good idea in the long run |
| 15:14.45 | waydot | jaakkos: agreed, i think it's suicide; they will need to decide soon |
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| 15:18.13 | centrx | dselect doesn't handle multiarch very well |
| 15:18.14 | dselect | centrx: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 15:23.32 | jelly | centrx: so YOU're the remaining user! |
| 15:23.52 | centrx | dselect is the best |
| 15:23.53 | dselect | centrx: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 15:24.59 | edjix | anyone remember this, there used to be a site that you could browse and download source code for about any linux program, anyone remember that site name? |
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| 15:25.30 | centrx | _any_ Linux program? |
| 15:26.00 | edjix | centrx: the source code for the free ones, |
| 15:26.28 | abrotman | freshmeat? |
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| 15:26.38 | dondelelcaro | edjix: there is codesearch.debian.net... but I'm not quite sure what you're looking for |
| 15:26.45 | mhoney | freecode.com |
| 15:28.03 | edjix | dondelelcaro: This is going back probably 6-7 years, it was like codemonkey, something obscure like that, that you could browse categories and search for src code from many dev's....was looking for something like that, |
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| 15:28.59 | dondelelcaro | edjix: ah; well, codesearch.debian.net enables you to search all of Debian, which may be effectively what you want, though it's not *that* old |
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| 15:30.25 | edjix | dondelelcaro: i'll check it out, this site wasn't for any particular distro though, although, i must say, debian has come a LOOOONG way since I last used it, and is much more friendly than that bleeding-edge monstrosity based on RH |
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| 15:31.10 | edjix | mhoney: that's kinda what the site I'm looking for looked like, the category search was a little cleaner, |
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| 15:34.50 | jhutchins | edjix: Sourceforge and whatever Freshmeat became. |
| 15:35.41 | edjix | that's what it was!!!!!! |
| 15:35.42 | centrx | edjix, github is where most projects are nowadays. Sourceforge and Freshmeat died.. |
| 15:35.43 | jhutchins | Ah, freshmeat became freecode, which shut down and pointed people to sourceforge. |
| 15:35.43 | edjix | freshmeat! |
| 15:35.55 | jhutchins | Sourceforge is still active. |
| 15:36.00 | edjix | damkn |
| 15:36.36 | jhutchins | It still sponsors projects of the month and is pretty much the defacto home page for a lot of projects, even if their code is on github. |
| 15:37.07 | edjix | so freshmeat went to git, basically? |
| 15:38.10 | edjix | Effective 2014-06-18 Freecode is no longer being updated (content may be stale). ..... |
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| 15:38.52 | jelly | edjix: talk about bit rot |
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| 15:39.43 | edjix | LOL, all i wanna do is find source code on one site and do it that way, i guess that's too much to ask these days, |
| 15:39.56 | edjix | ...lol, it's turning into WINDOWS! |
| 15:40.20 | centrx | All the source code is in Debian |
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| 15:41.06 | b-tag | Hello guys. I'm using lightdm/xfce. How can I change the background of the greeter? |
| 15:41.36 | edjix | centrx: yeah, i was thinking more outside the box, i dunno |
| 15:42.02 | jelly | edjix: control file in debian _may_ have a link to upstream source |
| 15:42.34 | jelly | edjix: apt-cache showsrc foo | grep Vcs |
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| 15:43.50 | ctmjr | b-tag: look in /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf |
| 15:45.20 | b-tag | ctmjr, yes I saw that, but isn't it editing that file kinda crude? E.g. I tried using update-alternatives --config desktop-background but it seems not to work... |
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| 15:45.38 | edjix | jelly: cool, now, say i want to search out a program, that debian doesn't have (like, FlightGear), and compile from source, other than searching for that program on their site, is there a way to browse through source codes from many dev's and download it? |
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| 15:46.52 | edjix | ...i may be way out there, i'm trying to compile flightgear now off their site's instructions, and if I can do that, there's no reason I can't compile my own stuff, and learn a bit more about programming and the like, |
| 15:48.02 | jelly | edjix: that's a good question, don't have an answer tho |
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| 15:48.45 | edjix | ...may have to hone my apache skills and see what it'll take to do that, |
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| 15:49.01 | jhutchins | edjix: github.com and sourceforge.net |
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| 15:50.48 | edjix | jhutchins: i'll search around them a little more, sourceforge went that constant advertising way that really, really annoys the daylights outta me, |
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| 15:54.03 | ctmjr | b-tag: it is a configure file if you think using another progam to modify it is better then best of luck. what is so "grude" about editing a text file? |
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| 16:01.26 | jhutchins | edjix: I run adblock plus and seldom notice advertizing. |
| 16:01.49 | jhutchins | edjix: Even on my work PC that doesn't have it sourceforge certainly isn't a problem, maybe you're thinking of something else. |
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| 16:16.43 | chrisirc | Hello. Is there a tool to easily turn on and off internet access by a particular program/user combination? |
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| 16:17.23 | mjt | program/user combination? |
| 16:17.38 | chrisirc | Somehow iceweasel seems to download megabytes of traffic per hour with *only file:// urls open* |
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| 16:17.51 | chrisirc | I want it to stop accessing the internet (I'm on 4G). |
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| 16:18.13 | chrisirc | But I don't want other programs of that user, or, other iceweasel instances I might start as a different user, to |
| 16:18.30 | chrisirc | block from accessing the web. That's why I'm asking for program/user combination as the key. |
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| 16:18.59 | chrisirc | I know iptables can do it, but I don't want to write yet another program. Isn't there something already doing that? |
| 16:19.00 | C00re | i think its called a firewall |
| 16:19.14 | C00re | yea, iptables |
| 16:19.22 | mjt | the original question was more of a theme of "connecting" to the 'net when a certain program is run |
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| 16:19.41 | mjt | but you need to block acess to particular program run by particular user |
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| 16:20.03 | chrisirc | Access to the web, *from* a particular program run by a particular user. |
| 16:20.28 | mjt | at any rate, that does not seem too productive -- to me, I'd rather try to fix the original issue instead of trying to fix causes. |
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| 16:20.53 | chrisirc | Something like "internetaccess --disable antony iceweasel" |
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| 16:21.05 | mjt | here, firefo^Wiceweasel does not access anything when told to read a local file which does not have any external references |
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| 16:21.57 | chrisirc | Well, fun, what do I suggest I should do? |
| 16:22.06 | chrisirc | Haven't installed any addons either. |
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| 16:22.27 | mjt | take a look at that file at first? |
| 16:23.01 | chrisirc | I've just confirmed that killall -STOP iceweasel chromium does make the leaking stop. And that kill -CONT $pid_of_that_iceweasel makes it continue. |
| 16:23.18 | chrisirc | The files are written by myself. Zero javascript included. |
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| 16:23.24 | mjt | because, well, the next question will be to stop iceweasel from following Refresh: tags for certain cities? |
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| 16:24.03 | mjt | (i know many sites add Refresh: tags to refresh whole page often - to know how long you look at the page) |
| 16:24.19 | chrisirc | for cities? |
| 16:24.25 | mjt | cites sorry |
| 16:24.31 | chrisirc | sites? |
| 16:24.39 | mjt | double typo. yes |
| 16:24.48 | chrisirc | I don't have any refresh meta tags in the pages. |
| 16:24.57 | chrisirc | And the pages are loaded from file:// anyway. |
| 16:25.27 | chrisirc | But anyway, even if I happen to track that one down, it will still not solve the more general problem. |
| 16:25.44 | mjt | sure, that's why I'm suggesting to fix the root issue |
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| 16:25.55 | chrisirc | I often open articles on the web, several of them, then read them later, I don't want these pages to suck bandwidth either. |
| 16:26.04 | mjt | yeah :) |
| 16:26.12 | chrisirc | And there's no root issue that I can solve there^ |
| 16:26.45 | mjt | that's the point. Actually for this Refresh thing, there might be some addon to control it per-site |
| 16:27.10 | chrisirc | The point? |
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| 16:27.55 | chrisirc | What I'm saying is, if I want to surf the web with say chromium, then leave the pages open, and they contain some nasties that *do* suck bandwidth, what should I do other than use that hypothetical "internetaccess --disable" program? |
| 16:28.01 | chrisirc | My pages contain: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> |
| 16:28.05 | chrisirc | wondering if it's the dtd |
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| 16:28.26 | jhutchins | chrisirc: How much RAM do you have? |
| 16:28.35 | chrisirc | 4G |
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| 16:28.52 | jhutchins | chrisirc: You shouldn't have to worry about it then. Is it a problem with iceweasel? |
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| 16:29.16 | mjt | fwiw, I had this on android - many apps does not respect the "Syncronize" setting and fetch data regardless, even when "Sync data" is turned off. First thing I was thinking is to use a firewall, next I thought, how I'll turn access on/off. And finally I sent few emails to the authors of the progs in question, and some of them added code to check "Syncronize data" setting. For benefit of everyone. |
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| 16:29.48 | chrisirc | Alright. |
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| 16:30.07 | chrisirc | Here's feeling tired about filing bug reports, you know. |
| 16:30.09 | mjt | and for one, I don't really know an _easy_ way to do what you want. |
| 16:30.13 | jhutchins | mjt: Good netizen. |
| 16:30.49 | chrisirc | mjt++ |
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| 16:31.07 | chrisirc | But I'd still be happy if that program existed and I didn't have to spend time on tracking this down that I don't have. |
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| 16:31.29 | chrisirc | Perhaps I'll just pay for more 4G volume, after all. Probably cheaper... |
| 16:31.48 | mjt | there was iptables module like -m owner, but I _think_ it is gone now |
| 16:32.13 | jhutchins | chrisirc: Ah, that's an issue. That's why I'm opposed to metered net in generaly, because you have no control over how much data a site sends you. |
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| 16:32.33 | mjt | jhutchins: what it has to do with amount of memory, btw? |
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| 16:33.43 | jhutchins | mjt: Thought you were addressing something else. |
| 16:33.57 | jhutchins | mjt: Or that chrisirc was. |
| 16:34.22 | mjt | I see ;) |
| 16:34.50 | mjt | (the prob was about bandwidth/traffic usage for no good reason and how to stop it) |
| 16:35.15 | mjt | chrisirc: where does it connect to, btw? |
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| 16:36.55 | mitc0185 | I'm having an issue where xorg is catching a bunch of repeating input from "button 6" (according to xev). It's causing emacs to go nuts on me. not sure how to make it stop |
| 16:37.13 | mitc0185 | restarted the machine and it fixed it for about 20 minutes, but then it started happening again |
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| 16:39.26 | jhutchins | mjt: Your solution is really best: contact the publishers and give 'em hell. |
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| 16:40.04 | mitc0185 | and now my mouse doesn't click at all... |
| 16:40.05 | jhutchins | mitc0185: Do you have a touchpad or other touch device? What is your mouse input? |
| 16:40.10 | mitc0185 | or touchpad I should say |
| 16:40.20 | mitc0185 | it's a touchpad -- thinkpad |
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| 16:40.36 | mjt | another user with broken thinkpad touchpad/ |
| 16:40.36 | mjt | ? |
| 16:40.41 | jhutchins | mitc0185: Makes a difference. Shut it down, clean it thoroughly with windex, make sure it's dry (blow it out with canned air if possible). Restart. |
| 16:40.50 | mitc0185 | it's using the psmouse driver though |
| 16:41.07 | mjt | yeah, thinkpad touchpad is connected to ps/2 "port" |
| 16:41.16 | jhutchins | mitc0185: Said driver is completely tested. It's hardware. |
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| 16:42.03 | mjt | my touchpad broke a few days ago, - but it does not send extra "button 6", it is just dead. Together with the tracpoint. |
| 16:42.07 | mitc0185 | ha |
| 16:42.13 | mitc0185 | I think I figured out the problem |
| 16:42.19 | nodiscc | hi, what's the channel to ask about debian packaging? |
| 16:42.32 | mitc0185 | my bluetooth mouse was in my bag next to me, turned on |
| 16:42.38 | jhutchins | PS/2 Mice pre-date linux. |
| 16:42.38 | mitc0185 | took that out to use it instead of the touchpad |
| 16:42.43 | nodiscc | trying to package a simple gtk theme from a git repository but I'd like to get it right |
| 16:42.46 | mitc0185 | and realized it was turned on |
| 16:42.52 | mitc0185 | turned it off and now things are working normally again |
| 16:42.54 | jhutchins | mitc0185: That's a good one. |
| 16:43.01 | mitc0185 | hehe |
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| 16:43.15 | mitc0185 | is a little embarrassed |
| 16:43.30 | jhutchins | mitc0185: Ah, enjoy the laugh. |
| 16:44.37 | mjt | heh. So I'm alone with my broken touchpad again... ;) Sorry for off-topic. |
| 16:44.48 | mitc0185 | I thought my beloved thinkpad was giving up the ghost |
| 16:45.25 | OEP | Is there some way you can make Lintian read some overrides from the user's home directory or some other additional directories without changing LINTIAN_ROOT? |
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| 16:46.12 | cusco | hi folks |
| 16:46.23 | cusco | I'm telling in fstab to use acl in a specific mount |
| 16:46.30 | cusco | but mount listing will not show acl |
| 16:46.36 | cusco | How can I know for sure that it is using it? |
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| 17:00.30 | LoveAndHappyness | hello |
| 17:00.37 | LoveAndHappyness | I'd like to use debian. |
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| 17:01.45 | LoveAndHappyness | Can a windows user switch to it, or do you have to be a programmer first? |
| 17:02.29 | mtn | LoveAndHappyness: no need to be a programmer |
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| 17:02.52 | LoveAndHappyness | It looks very command line heavy on my colleaques desktops |
| 17:03.07 | LoveAndHappyness | they don't even use a mouse |
| 17:03.10 | mtn | LoveAndHappyness: doesn't have to be. you could go a very long time without any command line |
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| 17:04.06 | LoveAndHappyness | Alright... I'll probably install it. |
| 17:04.11 | LoveAndHappyness | see you later |
| 17:04.38 | edjix | LoveAndHappyness: that's the beauty of Linux, |
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| 17:05.05 | LoveAndHappyness | edjix you mean using it as a command line ninja? |
| 17:05.15 | edjix | LoveAndHappyness: if you want it to be CLI (command line interface) heavy, it can be, if not, then you probably will use it once in awhile, that's about it, under guidance, |
| 17:05.28 | chrisirc | mjt, haven't checked (yet). BTW, not sure anymore whether iptables can do executable matching; anyway, here's what I'm using just for user matching now: |
| 17:05.32 | chrisirc | https://github.com/pflanze/chj-bin/blob/master/net-access |
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| 17:05.58 | LoveAndHappyness | It's hard to keep up with you hackerz |
| 17:06.00 | LoveAndHappyness | lol |
| 17:06.04 | LoveAndHappyness | have to go... bye |
| 17:06.04 | mtn | LoveAndHappyness: my wife uses debian, never touches a command line. I use it too, and play with the command line more often |
| 17:06.15 | LoveAndHappyness | kk mtn |
| 17:06.28 | edjix | hackerz? this the 90's? |
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| 17:42.36 | MO_Handes | I get this error, how can I do this? http://paste.debian.net/105693/ |
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| 17:43.49 | Brigo | MO_Handes, you cannot uninstall the running kernel, like the error said:"Aborting removal of running kernel image." |
| 17:43.51 | babilen | MO_Handes: Boot into a different kernel and then remove that one. |
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| 17:44.15 | MO_Handes | how to boot into a different kernel? |
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| 17:44.48 | jradd | grub boot menu should prompt you for which kernel to boot |
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| 17:44.54 | Brigo | MO_Handes, from grub menu, choose another one |
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| 18:10.10 | surf | hi guys I have a pc with 100% occupied root. How can I clean smt? autoclean and clean done. How can I check the application dimensions? |
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| 18:12.39 | centrx | surf, What is smt? |
| 18:13.08 | surf | centrx, something |
| 18:13.12 | centrx | surf, You can use du |sort -g to show the bulkiest directories |
| 18:14.10 | centrx | surf, or du / |sort -g to cover the complete disk |
| 18:14.24 | dutchfish | hi, what is the debian way to configure 'APT::Default-Release "squeeze-lts";' in squeeze-lts since /etc/apt/apt.conf is non existing, but wiki says it should be there https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using ? |
| 18:14.40 | formorer | create the file |
| 18:14.49 | surf | centrx, ok I will try!| |
| 18:15.02 | formorer | surf: I can recommend ncdu |
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| 18:15.22 | surf | formorer, what's that? |
| 18:15.26 | formorer | surf: http://dev.yorhel.nl/ncdu/scr |
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| 18:15.51 | formorer | some nice tui for browsing harddisks |
| 18:16.03 | formorer | and cleaning them up |
| 18:16.08 | centrx | dutchfish, As said, create the file. You can also see an example file in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/apt.conf |
| 18:16.25 | dutchfish | centrx, in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ or /etc/apt/ ? |
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| 18:16.45 | dutchfish | centrx, i am aware of the sample file, thank you |
| 18:16.47 | centrx | dutchfish, In /etc/apt/, as /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 18:16.59 | dutchfish | centrx, thanks, clear |
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| 18:17.40 | centrx | dutchfish, Also, from reading the documentation, it says "IF" the apt.conf file contains that line, then you must change it __or comment it out__ |
| 18:17.56 | centrx | dutchfish, So if you do not have an apt.conf already, it sounds like you don't need to do anything, based on the doc |
| 18:17.57 | dutchfish | centrx, yes, hence i was confused |
| 18:18.31 | dutchfish | centrx, so it should work if it doesnt consists or if it does i need that line |
| 18:18.34 | surf | formorer, oh, nice tool! I see /user -> 6.5GB; /opt -> 1.3GB; /var -> 547MB |
| 18:18.53 | centrx | dutchfish, By default -- without that option -- apt will get the latest version of a package, which will be from squeeze-lts if your /etc/apt/sources.list is set up properly |
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| 18:19.13 | dutchfish | centrx, i have, yes |
| 18:19.16 | formorer | surf: then dive into the directorys find the cause of your space problems and delete/uninstall a few things |
| 18:19.41 | dutchfish | centrx, thanks again! |
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| 18:21.08 | centrx | surf, deborphan is a program that will show you packages you may be able to uninstall |
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| 18:24.33 | voidwalkr | was anyone successful in running ms office 2010 through wine without problems? |
| 18:24.51 | voidwalkr | or glitches? |
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| 18:26.34 | rrman | well cant you just use VMware or installing LibreOffice? |
| 18:26.38 | centrx | uses vim |
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| 18:28.10 | rrman | sorry guys is there anyway to choose a network interface for a terminal session ? (ex, we do export DISPLAY=0.0.0.0:0 for X server is there such a thing for networking ?) |
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| 18:34.48 | jradd | i think you would have to control that through addresses rather than interface. the kernel controls that. if so I would be curious to know how as well. |
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| 18:37.40 | tharkun | If I compile something on a debootstrap 32 bit jail running on a 64 bit arqchitecture, the resulting binaries will work fine on the 32 bit arch. Right? |
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| 18:39.22 | waydot | after upgrading squeeze->wheezy on one box i had weird misterious crash today (remote box) and now i just got a GPF |
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| 18:39.49 | waydot | any direction you can point me in? |
| 18:40.18 | rrman | tnx jradd |
| 18:40.22 | centrx | waydot, Is the box in fact completely upgraded properly? |
| 18:40.33 | centrx | waydot, Also pastie the error message |
| 18:40.53 | centrx | waydot, For example, did you do apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade (or both)? |
| 18:41.32 | centrx | waydot, Did you reboot to use the new kernel and ensure all programs are using the new C library? |
| 18:42.01 | waydot | centrx: i hope it is - is there a definite way to check? i rebooted several times after upgrade (apt-get dist-upgrade) |
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| 18:42.31 | waydot | centrx: come to think of it, i did get cut off during upgrade, but i couldnt find anything weird with the system |
| 18:43.01 | waydot | it's now approx 3 days after upgrade |
| 18:43.13 | centrx | waydot, That can be pretty serious if the system crashed during upgrade. On the other hand, maybe the ssh server was simply restarted so you got disconnected temporarily |
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| 18:44.24 | waydot | centrx: let me restate that |
| 18:45.05 | waydot | centrx: i got disconnected during upgrade due to sshd restart (iirc), after reconnecting everything seemed ok (as if upgrade was complete) |
| 18:45.19 | waydot | centrx: then i rebooted the machine |
| 18:45.38 | centrx | waydot, Okay, check some things like dpkg -l apt, dpkg -l libc6 |
| 18:45.42 | centrx | waydot, make sure those are the right versions |
| 18:45.56 | centrx | waydot, /etc/debian_version |
| 18:46.04 | waydot | centrx: later it crashed, requiring hard reset; after working for several hours i now got a GPF |
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| 18:46.08 | centrx | waydot, Then focus on the error itself, what program is causing |
| 18:46.11 | waydot | tnx, on it |
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| 18:46.30 | waydot | it received GPF when i quit bash: http://paste.debian.net/105704/ |
| 18:46.54 | waydot | this is from dmesg |
| 18:47.24 | waydot | i got the message via emerg syslog on all vtys |
| 18:47.49 | waydot | i'll go check versions now, tnx |
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| 18:48.08 | centrx | waydot, Also pastie your sources.list, do you have the updates lines and the latest updates? |
| 18:48.12 | centrx | dpkg, tell waydot about sources.list |
| 18:49.11 | waydot | wheezy main and wheezy/updates main from security |
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| 18:50.01 | light0 | anyone use mutt with SASL here? I get: SASL authentication failed, when trying to access gmail through mutt |
| 18:50.30 | bsaunder | anyone know how to mirror just the debian backports for wheezy? I used ftpsync-debian-backports.conf from github, changeed pw and mirror, how do I specify wheezy only and not squeeze, life on 2G sucks |
| 18:50.56 | formorer | bsaunder: ehm. wheezy-backports is part of every normal debian mirror. |
| 18:51.12 | formorer | bsaunder: and squeeze-backports has its own repo |
| 18:51.31 | edjix | bsaunder: you trying to do that over a cell connection? |
| 18:51.46 | waydot | centrx: versions look ok; i sincerely hope it's not a hardware issue |
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| 18:51.51 | formorer | bsaunder: so ftpsync-debian-backports.conf won't help you for wheezy-bpo |
| 18:51.52 | bsaunder | (live on 2G internet access which means "download everything on someoneelses broadband"...my laptop has 80G worth of ISOs...I want backports now) |
| 18:52.26 | waydot | it's my first general protection fault after windows95 :) |
| 18:52.28 | formorer | bsaunder: do you have a normal wheezy mirror? |
| 18:52.29 | bsaunder | formorer - is there any way to extract wheezy-backports from the mirror? |
| 18:52.37 | bsaunder | no |
| 18:52.44 | bsaunder | I downloaded the ISOs :( |
| 18:52.45 | waydot | not sure if hardware issue manifests this way in linux |
| 18:52.48 | bsaunder | (not the mirror) |
| 18:52.48 | centrx | waydot, That is a possibility as well |
| 18:52.53 | formorer | bsaunder: au. |
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| 18:53.28 | formorer | bsaunder: use the default ftpsync configuration and restrict it to wheezy-backports |
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| 18:54.01 | bsaunder | sorry (I have spent about 2 hours trying to figure this out), how do I restrict it to wheezy-backports? |
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| 18:54.43 | formorer | bsaunder: in my experience debmirror is easier when it comes to excluding |
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| 18:55.12 | bsaunder | hmm...something new...I'll google that. (Open for any help though if youve got pointers) |
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| 18:55.35 | waydot | centrx: do you know if it is possible to somehow roll back or go back to squeeze to eliminate software issue? |
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| 18:55.39 | formorer | bsaunder: debmirror --host mirror.netcologne.de --method http --arch amd64 -d wheezy-backports --verbose --i18n --nosource /tmp/mirror |
| 18:55.54 | formorer | bsaunder: that should do the trick |
| 18:56.11 | centrx | waydot, It's not |
| 18:56.13 | bsaunder | bless you...with beer, or any other items you want...gonna try it now :) |
| 18:56.15 | centrx | waydot, You could try using the older kernel |
| 18:57.01 | formorer | bsaunder: depending on your location you want to change the mirror and the destination :) |
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| 18:57.15 | waydot | centrx: backports? |
| 18:57.29 | waydot | no, wait, that's for newer stuff |
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| 18:57.49 | centrx | waydot, That's another possibility, try using a newer kernel |
| 18:58.39 | waydot | right, a different one in any case |
| 18:58.53 | waydot | that and i should do some hardware diagnostics :| |
| 19:00.04 | bsaunder | formorer: ideas about trustedkeys.gpg being missing? |
| 19:00.18 | waydot | centrx: tnx for the pointers |
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| 19:01.13 | formorer | bsaunder: second |
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| 19:01.37 | formorer | bsaunder: gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg --export \ |
| 19:01.40 | formorer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.04 | formorer | bsaunder: man debmirror also has this command (at the end) |
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| 19:02.47 | edjix | i need to trash gnome3, |
| 19:02.56 | edjix | they completely screwed that one up |
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| 19:03.11 | formorer | mate exists. |
| 19:03.41 | edjix | formorer: yeah, but not in the apt-get, that i've found, have to do it off of mate's thing, and then I get a machine that won't boot |
| 19:03.53 | bsaunder | formorer: (point taken about rtfm) that worked!!!! so when I become world leader, I'll give you an island! thx!!! |
| 19:03.55 | formorer | edjix: backports.debian.org (when you are on stable) |
| 19:04.02 | edjix | installed xfce, waiting for an FTP file transfer to finish, |
| 19:04.32 | edjix | formorer: i have 7.5 installed, i think that's the stable one off a netinstall |
| 19:04.47 | formorer | edjix: then backports.debian.org has a mate |
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| 19:05.01 | edjix | add that the sources.list? |
| 19:05.38 | formorer | edjix: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 19:05.46 | edjix | ahh, thanks, |
| 19:06.08 | edjix | i'll go that way, gonna try xcfe first, and if that doesn't work, head for MATE again, |
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| 19:07.09 | haze_ | Hi there, I have a quick question, I want to try out debian on my old Pentium 4 1.8Ghz seedbox, it needs 32 bit but I don't know what image to download |
| 19:07.26 | formorer | haze_: i386 |
| 19:07.39 | haze_ | formorer thank you.. |
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| 19:10.44 | jhutchins | !mate |
| 19:10.44 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8.0 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. https://wiki.debian.org/Mate http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net. |
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| 19:16.36 | mdim | In Wheezy, do I need to install an additional package to have the C++ STL library? |
| 19:17.25 | edjix | i think it's just the standard gcc and whatever else, |
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| 19:20.04 | GazzaBazza | Hi |
| 19:20.17 | Nik05 | mdim define C++ STL library |
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| 19:21.40 | emacer | I'm getting a really strange error message when trying to install a .deb package: dpkg-deb: error: archive 'emac-toolchain-i586_5.0.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb' has premature member 'data.tar.bz2' before 'control.tar.gz', giving up |
| 19:21.43 | GazzaBazza | I have a laptop that's about 5 years old. It's a first generation pentium dual core CPU, 4GB of RAM, and a slow 5400RPM hard drive. The video card is an intel express 4 series. |
| 19:22.00 | GazzaBazza | I like the look of XFCE, but I was wondering which version of debian I Should install, 6 or 7? |
| 19:22.08 | emacer | anyone have any idea what would cause that or how to fix that? I'm the one making the package, and I don't know what's gone wrong. |
| 19:22.52 | formorer | GazzaBazza: 7. |
| 19:23.31 | GazzaBazza | 64-bit? |
| 19:24.00 | peterrooney | emacer: /msg dpkg cross post |
| 19:24.02 | formorer | I am not sure if that cpu is 64bit capable |
| 19:24.09 | GazzaBazza | It is. |
| 19:24.27 | formorer | GazzaBazza: then amd64 |
| 19:24.41 | SpaceKookie | *gnarf* Okay, I have this netbook (Acer AO 751h) and under XFCE everything works fine (though it is a bit slow). But under LXDE the keys for brightness and volume control aren't working. And I can't find anything to properly fix that :c |
| 19:25.21 | GazzaBazza | http://ark.intel.com/products/40739/Intel-Pentium-Processor-T4400-1M-Cache-2_20-GHz-800-MHz-FSB-Socket-P |
| 19:25.53 | emacer | peterrooney, considering the low likely hood of someone knowing the answer, I don't think that applies in this situation |
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| 19:26.09 | GazzaBazza | It has 64-bit instruction set, just no support for virtualization :( |
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| 19:29.06 | GazzaBazza | How about another laptop. |
| 19:29.21 | GazzaBazza | Mobile |
| 19:30.18 | GazzaBazza | Celeron 1.4ghz, 512RAM, from the VISTA days. |
| 19:30.25 | RoyK | GazzaBazza: celewrong |
| 19:30.32 | GazzaBazza | lol |
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| 19:33.27 | GazzaBazza | sorry, i keep getting disconnected |
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| 19:34.37 | GazzaBazza | Can I run debian on this celeron laptop? |
| 19:34.46 | GazzaBazza | Or is it just too old? |
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| 19:35.13 | wald0 | if i install the kernel from backport, seems like the dkms's are not run (need for r8168), is that normal ? |
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| 19:35.28 | wald0 | i need to trigger manually dpkg-reconfigure r8168-dkms in order to build it |
| 19:35.53 | wald0 | so my question is... why when installing a new kernel they are not build automatically ? |
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| 19:38.19 | abrotman | GazzaBazza: yes you can |
| 19:38.28 | wondiws | where's my taskbar gone? Gnome Fallback |
| 19:38.45 | wondiws | or alt-tab to change windows for that matter |
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| 19:40.53 | asdfasdfads | hi guys I would like to remove texlive docs since I have the /docs folder of 2GB.Is there any problem to remove files in /usr/share/doc? |
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| 19:42.03 | GazzaBazza | So I'm wanting to install Debian from a USB flash drive |
| 19:42.09 | jmcnaught | asdfasdfads: you should remove the packages that those files belong to instead of deleting them manually |
| 19:42.55 | GazzaBazza | But I'm a bit confused, I just need debian-7.5.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso right? |
| 19:43.06 | asdfasdfads | jmcnaught, it's texlive-latex-extra-doc |
| 19:43.08 | GazzaBazza | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 19:43.28 | asdfasdfads | jmcnaught, and texlive texlive-picture-doc |
| 19:43.35 | GazzaBazza | I only need to download the DVDS if there are extra packages that I want to install without having internet access right |
| 19:43.55 | edjix | GazzaBazza: I used a net install, so.... |
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| 19:44.09 | GazzaBazza | hmmmm |
| 19:44.22 | edjix | GazzaBazza: i have an 18Mbps connection, took about 5-10 min to download everything, |
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| 19:44.35 | CasaViva | yellow-all |
| 19:44.46 | GazzaBazza | I'm after a debian install with as little software as possible. |
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| 19:44.53 | GazzaBazza | Yeah I'm on a 18mbit connection too |
| 19:44.55 | CasaViva | there is any iso image to install debian without X server? |
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| 19:44.59 | GazzaBazza | well 18-20 |
| 19:45.06 | asdfasdfads | jmcnaught, any problem in removing those files? |
| 19:45.41 | edjix | GazzaBazza: then, yeah, go net install, it's easier, and everything's already up to date |
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| 19:47.47 | GazzaBazza | edjix: did you use "Small CDs" or "Tiny CDs, USB sticks, etc." |
| 19:48.07 | CasaViva | there is any iso image to install debian without X server? |
| 19:48.16 | edjix | well...only thing i had was a DVD-RW, so I burned the net install image to it, rebooted, installed, |
| 19:48.27 | TheQuestionmark | CasaViva: Debian Minimal.- |
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| 19:48.38 | CasaViva | TheQuestionmark: :) thanks! |
| 19:48.45 | TheQuestionmark | You gotta install all packages yourself. |
| 19:48.54 | edjix | Slackware? |
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| 19:49.40 | TheQuestionmark | It's actually quite good, especially for servers. |
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| 19:50.27 | GazzaBazza | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso ? |
| 19:50.37 | abrotman | you mean, netinst, yes that |
| 19:50.48 | abrotman | even better .. |
| 19:50.54 | abrotman | dpkg: tell GazzaBazza about firmware installer |
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| 19:56.00 | asdfasdfads | jmcnaught, and how can I remove the apt cache? |
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| 19:56.47 | GazzaBazza | I'm downloading http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso as well, but I guess that image is more suited for advanced debian users? |
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| 19:58.47 | jmcnaught | asdfasdfads: not sure what you mean by the apt cache.. "apt-get clean" removes cached .deb files (man apt-get for the details) |
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| 19:59.26 | BackEndCoder | guys |
| 19:59.36 | BackEndCoder | so i have just been playing about with tcpdump |
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| 19:59.51 | BackEndCoder | and i have some strange ports being used via tcp6 |
| 19:59.56 | BackEndCoder | but netstat isn't showing the pid |
| 20:00.19 | BackEndCoder | o, sudo |
| 20:00.21 | GazzaBazza | How can I benchmark which is the best debian archive for my ISP? |
| 20:00.21 | BackEndCoder | collio |
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| 20:00.36 | TheQuestionmark | Depends on your connection, GazzaBazza. |
| 20:00.39 | babilen | GazzaBazza: I'd just use http.debian.net and be done with it |
| 20:00.40 | BackEndCoder | GazzaBazza, there is not much in it |
| 20:00.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell GazzaBazza about http.debian.net |
| 20:01.21 | TheQuestionmark | If it shall be as minimal as possible, go with either Minimal or Netinstall. |
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| 20:03.41 | TheQuestionmark | You won't need much more than a bit of knowledge in terms of use with apt-get/aptitude as well as maybe some skills with CLI editors but that's it. |
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| 20:04.50 | asdfasdfads | I have a problem with an external usb dive. I connect it and in dmesg it says me: usb 6-2: device descriptor read/64, error -62 and I can't mount it |
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| 20:09.57 | GazzaBazza | right i'm currently installing debian via a mini.iso |
| 20:10.24 | GazzaBazza | Using Vmware Workstation |
| 20:11.03 | BackEndCoder | is it possible tyo tcpdump with pids ? |
| 20:11.35 | GazzaBazza | Also wanting to install XFCE |
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| 20:13.51 | SaxX_ | hi all |
| 20:14.05 | SaxX_ | i've a little trouble with my touchpad |
| 20:14.11 | SaxX_ | i can't enabled it |
| 20:14.28 | SaxX_ | why i type synclient -l |
| 20:14.57 | SaxX_ | i've this following error message : Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded? |
| 20:15.22 | SaxX_ | i've tried many things but can"t still fix it |
| 20:15.32 | SaxX_ | can i have some help? |
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| 20:16.57 | asdfasdfads | which is the best way to fix an ntfs usb disk? run fsck? |
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| 20:18.38 | TheQuestionmark | GazzaBazza: You can search for xfce packages by using apt-cache. |
| 20:18.41 | TheQuestionmark | ... |
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| 20:18.48 | TheQuestionmark | GazzaBazza: You can search for xfce packages by using apt-cache. |
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| 20:20.50 | BackEndCoder | whats a better way of writing this : sudo tcpdump -i eth0 not port 1935 and not port 8100 |
| 20:22.12 | Nik05 | well if that works, whats the problem? |
| 20:22.24 | BackEndCoder | i have to write about another 10 ports in that statment |
| 20:22.38 | BackEndCoder | i am trying to close it down to some high ones chrome is using |
| 20:22.50 | BackEndCoder | i think an extention is taking the piss, but its hard to see all the traffic |
| 20:22.58 | BackEndCoder | so i'm just removing what i 'trust' |
| 20:23.42 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.46 | Nik05 | BackEndCoder just not ( port 123 and 324 and 567 and 45) etc |
| 20:24.55 | BackEndCoder | thanks Nik05 |
| 20:25.04 | Nik05 | i guess BackEndCoder ;) |
| 20:25.12 | BackEndCoder | its close to something like that |
| 20:25.14 | BackEndCoder | it must be |
| 20:27.06 | Nik05 | "If an identifier is given without a keyword, the most recent keyword is assumed." |
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| 20:27.32 | Nik05 | wait dont you want to use or instead of and? |
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| 20:28.44 | TheWarden | Hello all |
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| 20:29.38 | TheWarden | I just recently did a fresh install of Debian Wheezy with Grub2 on to 2 servers. The only change I've done to the servers so far is change the hostname. |
| 20:30.05 | TheWarden | The servers boot up fine, however after the grub boot screen I see "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated..." appear and the the video goes blank. |
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| 20:30.34 | TheWarden | keep in mind I do not have x window installed, these servers are configured to be used for console only. |
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| 20:31.29 | TheWarden | Any ideas of what could be wrong, where I could look to get more info or suggested solutions? I can SSH into the server just fine but the monitor connected to it has no video after that point I described. |
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| 20:32.41 | BackEndCoder | Nik05, nah cause its 'not and' |
| 20:33.22 | BackEndCoder | so brackets would take blah not port (1 or 2 or 3) |
| 20:33.29 | BackEndCoder | but it doesn't do brackets at that level |
| 20:33.42 | Nik05 | not (port 1 or 2 or 3) doesnt that work? |
| 20:33.54 | Nik05 | yeah sorry not using and in your example but in mine |
| 20:33.56 | BackEndCoder | it doesn't like the brackets at that place in the statment |
| 20:34.13 | TheWarden | There has to be something that is not being detected properly or a setting that is wrong by default. |
| 20:34.16 | BackEndCoder | tcpdump -i eth1 '((tcp) and ((dst net 192.168) and (not dst host 192.168.1.200)))' |
| 20:34.17 | BackEndCoder | that would work |
| 20:34.23 | BackEndCoder | mine will not |
| 20:34.30 | BackEndCoder | cause port needs to be in the bracket |
| 20:35.05 | Nik05 | why do you have so many brackets? |
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| 20:36.41 | darsie | Why does my USB card reader + SD card no longer automount? |
| 20:36.43 | BackEndCoder | tcpdump -i eth1 not (port ssh or port 8100 or port 1935 or port 26717) |
| 20:36.46 | BackEndCoder | that doesn't work either |
| 20:36.47 | darsie | xfce here |
| 20:37.13 | BackEndCoder | Nik05, that was taken from an example from a website |
| 20:37.21 | BackEndCoder | showing advanced filtering |
| 20:37.42 | darsie | in settings/removable drives and media I selected 'mount removable drives when hotplugged'. |
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| 20:39.07 | darsie | xp to #xfce |
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| 20:41.10 | abrotman | darsie: which version of linux? |
| 20:41.14 | smrtz|nix | Hey, I'm confused about how to use upstart to start a bash script. Some websites say to use "exec ./..." and others say "exec bash -c /..." Can you guys tell me which to use please? |
| 20:41.20 | jhutchins | darsie: check dmesg to see if it's detected. |
| 20:41.37 | darsie | abrotman: 7.4 |
| 20:41.47 | abrotman | So what did oyu change? |
| 20:41.51 | darsie | jhutchins: It is. I could mount it as root menually. |
| 20:41.59 | darsie | abrotman: Dunno. |
| 20:42.11 | darsie | manually* |
| 20:42.12 | abrotman | you don't know what oyu changed? |
| 20:42.14 | abrotman | how could we? |
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| 20:45.40 | BackEndCoder | jhutchins, i think parted can do pretty much anything |
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| 20:54.03 | TheWarden | sighs out of frustration |
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| 20:56.14 | asdfadsf | guys my deb squeeze mounts usb keys (fat 16) as root. Any ideas? fstab is clean (no entries about /dev/sdb) |
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| 20:59.56 | TheWarden | I can't believe I can't get video for the console. I could understand if I was booting directly into a X Window login screen such as GDM but I'm not even using X Window (xorg). |
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| 21:00.21 | ddsss | so - what's the sequence in which targets are executed in debian/rules file? |
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| 21:03.15 | asdfadsf | each time it mounts usb sticks with root permission |
| 21:03.45 | asdfadsf | if I check "mount" it says /dev/sdb1 on /media/usb0 type vfat (rw,nodev,noexec,noatime,nodiratime,sync,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro) |
| 21:03.59 | jhutchins | BackEndCoder: Well, it could prior to W7, but according to Ubuntu sources it no longer can because of MFT. |
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| 21:05.56 | jhutchins | Ok, gparted site says you need to Repair Windows after you resize. |
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| 21:06.05 | jhutchins | So you need an install disk. |
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| 21:07.22 | ctmjr | can't you just resize it inside windows? |
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| 21:08.05 | asdfadsf | but if I mount a usb drive (ntfs) no problem. Just the /media/usb0 doesn't have the write permission when I insert a usb vfat key |
| 21:08.09 | asdfadsf | any idea? |
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| 21:15.57 | darsie | http://paste.debian.net/105718/ |
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| 21:17.34 | OEP | Is there some equivalent to the %files directive in rpm for dpkg? |
| 21:17.48 | darsie | still doesn't work after 'aptitude full-upgrade' and reboot. |
| 21:18.08 | asdfadsf | any idea why when I insert a usb key it is always mounted as root? |
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| 21:18.18 | peterS | OEP: dpkg packages are built with a whole directory full of metadata files. there are various ways to arrange for a source package to include certain files. |
| 21:18.33 | TheWarden | I just tried adding to /etc/default/grub grub_terminal=console and grub_gfxpayload_linux=text and did a update-grub and reboot boot. Still no dang video after I see the grub boot menu. just blank with a blinking cursor. argh. |
| 21:18.36 | peterS | asdfadsf: who should it be mounted by? How would the system know who plugged it in? |
| 21:19.41 | OEP | I guess the part I'm interested in is the permissions, but I'm not building source packages so some of the tools don't seem to apply to me. |
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| 21:20.09 | peterS | OEP: well when you say %files I assume you mean in an RPM source package, so if you aren't dealing with building source packages, I'm not sure of the context of your question |
| 21:20.20 | BackEndCoder | jhutchins, as far as i know, unless anything has changed, you can still install direct debian .debs onto buntu |
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| 21:20.27 | BackEndCoder | but yeah, can't you resize it in windows ? |
| 21:20.54 | asdfadsf | peterS, by the user. I mean I have no read/write access to it. |
| 21:21.25 | peterS | asdfadsf: which user? how would the system know which user plugged it in? I mean, yes, many computers have built-in cameras, but that's a whole other level of sophistication |
| 21:21.51 | asdfadsf | peterS, no it's just about having rw access to it |
| 21:22.21 | TheWarden | maybe try adding this GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet vga=normal nomodeset" no idea. |
| 21:22.26 | OEP | peterS: I'm packaging pre-built applications that come from upstream vendors, and getting the file permissions correct (the ones I'm patching in which aren't in the upstream tarball) is a bit of a headache. |
| 21:22.32 | peterS | ah, well, my system doesn't auto-mount removable media anyway, it only mounts things when I tell it to, so I'm not sure where to configure automount stuff |
| 21:23.08 | peterS | OEP: see now this is getting more and more confusing. You are "packaging" but you're "not building source packages". I can't tell what you're doing. |
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| 21:24.15 | OEP | Sorry, I may have the terminology wrong (still learning), I'm just directly building binary packages without source code. |
| 21:24.46 | peterS | OEP: oh so it's a terminology thing. when I say 'source package', I refer to the format that is used by the dpkg tools to build a binary package. It doesn't have to literally have source code in it. |
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| 21:26.15 | peterS | OEP: anyway you start with a source tree, which consists of an unpacked tarball with a 'debian' directory in it and a 'debian/control' file to specify stuff about the binary package(s) to be built, and a 'debian/rules' file which actually builds the binary package(s). you also need 'debian/copyright' which contains some sort of licensing info (copied to /usr/share/doc/packagename/copyright) and 'debian/changelog' which contains among other things the ... |
| 21:26.21 | peterS | ... current version number |
| 21:26.32 | peterS | now typically there's source code in the unpacked tree, but there wouldn't have to be |
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| 21:31.06 | jhutchins | BackEndCoder: THere is a limited resize ability. On a 160G drive I got about 77G available. |
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| 21:31.46 | jhutchins | BackEndCoder: It's in the disk manager for W7. |
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| 21:32.43 | jhutchins | BackEndCoder: Apparemtly the mft is not at the beginning of the space, so that limits the resize. I question whether windows takes 74G even with Office. |
| 21:32.58 | jhutchins | Still, that's workable. |
| 21:33.01 | OEP | Yeah, so what I'm doing is starting with a DEBIAN directory (for binary packages) and I have upstream data.tar.gz which I'm using ar to hack together the control files |
| 21:33.13 | OEP | Which I know is awful. |
| 21:34.05 | peterS | yeah don't use ar, at least use dpkg-deb |
| 21:34.46 | OEP | The reason I switched to ar was the amount of time it takes dpkg-deb to complete, and I have to have a fully extracted file system |
| 21:35.17 | OEP | And when it's fully extracted, I have to start working about what the user's umask is, etc. |
| 21:35.28 | peterS | if you can't fix the permissions directly in the data.tar.gz file, the next best thing is to run 'dpkg-statoverride' in DEBIAN/postinst and DEBIAN/postrm |
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| 21:35.45 | BackEndCoder | jhutchins, make sure its not 'saved' for something else like backups or restore |
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| 21:37.02 | BackEndCoder | the drive has to be free, like have nothing at the ened |
| 21:37.07 | BackEndCoder | that might be your problem |
| 21:37.09 | BackEndCoder | http://superuser.com/questions/88131/how-to-shrink-windows-7-boot-partition-with-unmovable-files |
| 21:37.10 | BackEndCoder | check that out |
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| 21:40.32 | OEP | dpkg-statoverride looks close to what I need, but it doesn't seem right to use it for something like a .desktop file (which is what I'm patching in currently, other stuff could follow) |
| 21:40.39 | jhutchins | BackEndCoder: Yeah, I didn't turn off System Recovery or the swap file, that probably would have gotten me more space. |
| 21:40.55 | jhutchins | The last W7 system I worked with I wiped the disk. |
| 21:41.03 | jhutchins | Just formatted over it. |
| 21:41.24 | BackEndCoder | fair |
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| 21:42.25 | TheWarden | bingo that worked! cheers! |
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| 21:54.29 | ddsss | what's the channel for debian packagig questions? |
| 21:54.39 | peterS | ddsss: mostly #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 21:54.44 | peterS | ddsss: (aka irc.oftc.net) |
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| 21:55.34 | ddsss | peternS, ahh col - I'll try them |
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| 22:38.06 | dob1 | hi, i was copying some files from a windows pc to a linux one, but i see that the timestamp of the file on the linux system is changed, why? |
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| 22:39.09 | IMM0rtalis92 | heyho, anyone still awake? :D |
| 22:39.36 | dob1 | i am copying these files via ssh, on the windows pc the file is created at 18.15 for example, on the linux one the file has a timestamp of 17.15 |
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| 22:40.02 | IMM0rtalis92 | different timezone? @dob1 ? |
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| 22:40.13 | dob1 | IMM0rtalis92, no |
| 22:41.07 | IMM0rtalis92 | as far as i know is the timestamp the count of seconds since 19xx. and so it could be that on the windows pc there is another timesone or summertime or sth like this |
| 22:42.34 | KeithLG | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.53 | dob1 | i am using winscp to copying these files, while the file is being copied i have a .part file with the timestamp that respect the time of the copy operation. after i finish to copy the file the timestamp of the file change to one hour back on the original file |
| 22:44.14 | dob1 | maybe is a client issue |
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| 22:45.13 | IMM0rtalis92 | so.. does anyone can help me with my cronjob? it will not work. i created /etc/cron.d/duply-backup ... but i cant see any error in the logs or anything about this cron |
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| 22:46.14 | erdbeere | is all code in main audited by maintainers before being packaged? |
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| 22:54.36 | mentor | erdbeere: Audited for what? |
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| 22:55.29 | erdbeere | malicious code implants |
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| 23:05.02 | LordDeath | what does "bpo70+1" mean in the version number of backport-packages? |
| 23:07.13 | daemonkeeper | For Debian 7.0 |
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| 23:14.59 | nea1 | hi, i have a problem with cryptsetup, i have got a dev open (with aes-xts-plain64) but i can't do a luksFormat on an other hdd (telling me aes-xts-plain64 isn't loaded) |
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| 23:15.18 | nea1 | i checked /proc/crypto and everything is there |
| 23:15.33 | nea1 | system is freschly booted, so it's no kernel update fuckup |
| 23:15.39 | nea1 | anyone an idea? |
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| 23:51.33 | belak | Is there a good way to make something start up on a debian box when it starts up, assuming I don't have root? |
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| 23:58.04 | jhutchins | belak: I believe there's something like "onboot" that you can put in your personal crontab. You can also start programs when your desktop starts (varies with desktop). |
| 23:58.42 | belak | Hm, ok |