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| 00:02.33 | redShadow | SynrG: the ``-y`` was added by saltstack, during automated dispatching of command |
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| 00:02.55 | redShadow | and I removed just a couple services I didn't need anymore (newrelic and zabbix agents) |
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| 00:03.26 | redShadow | and, strangest thing, /var/log only contains mail logs! |
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| 00:04.19 | redShadow | People on #salt are wondering whether having installed some packages from wheezy on a squeeze could have caused this.. I don't think so, as I installed them, carefully, about a year ago |
| 00:04.25 | redShadow | and they never caused problems |
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| 00:10.33 | rawburt | how can I set the domain directive in resolvconf from my /etc/network/interfaces? I tried dns-domain, no joy. |
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| 00:12.36 | SynrG | redShadow: beats the hell out of me. have no clue what saltstack is |
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| 00:13.34 | redShadow | SynrG: it's an automation system |
| 00:13.41 | redShadow | for distributing commands to multiple machines, etc. |
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| 00:13.59 | SynrG | if you're using third-party packages on debian, if they don't carefully support your release, you can have trouble. |
| 00:14.22 | SynrG | yes, having a stable/oldstable mix could definitely cause issues |
| 00:14.26 | redShadow | SynrG: yeah, but they do support debian and wheezy |
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| 00:14.41 | SynrG | bad pinning could cause issues |
| 00:14.47 | redShadow | SynrG: sure, but I don't think issues like: whole directories gone |
| 00:14.55 | SynrG | as i said, you have logs ... |
| 00:15.08 | SynrG | not only /var/log/apt/ but also /var/log/dpkg* |
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| 00:15.16 | redShadow | SynrG: /usr/ is gone as is most of /var/ (a part from /var/log/mail.*) |
| 00:15.21 | SynrG | or if aptitude was ever used, /var/log/aptitude/ |
| 00:15.40 | SynrG | redShadow: sounds like something more than apt involved there :P |
| 00:15.45 | redShadow | after what apparently should only have been a purge.. |
| 00:15.53 | SynrG | nods |
| 00:15.56 | redShadow | SynrG: yeah, I don't think apt could cause that mess |
| 00:16.06 | SynrG | anyway, i would bounce this one back at #salt |
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| 00:16.18 | redShadow | btw, salt reported no operation to be run, after the purge.. |
| 00:16.26 | redShadow | so it shouldn't have executed anything |
| 00:16.32 | SynrG | huh |
| 00:17.00 | redShadow | SynrG: sure, I am talking there, but certain parts of the debugging belong on #debian :) |
| 00:17.12 | redShadow | (like: can apt remove my /usr/ ?) |
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| 00:18.23 | woshty | redShadow: Maybe run a fsck? |
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| 00:19.47 | redShadow | woshty: yeah, I'll run that, but it seems quite unlikely.. |
| 00:20.38 | redShadow | this sort of things seem more likely to be caused by things like the 'rm -rf /usr/ share/something' in a post-install script run by some ubuntu package a while ago.. |
| 00:20.42 | woshty | redShadow: apt-get removing /usr seems unlikely as well. |
| 00:21.14 | redShadow | woshty: even weirder, /var/ a part from /var/log/mail.* |
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| 00:22.27 | redShadow | ..any idea to compare two filesystems better than rsync --dry-run ? |
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| 00:23.12 | redShadow | I am going to compare the current state with a backup, as soon as I manage to restore a backup (I'm on crappy internet, and backups are on a remote machine..) |
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| 00:24.03 | SynrG | redShadow: maintainer scripts belonging to packages have sweeping privileges. no *debian* package removing /usr would ever make it into stable however. our QA doesn't suck that badly. |
| 00:24.34 | xunil | What is the difference between debian.org and backports.org for backports? |
| 00:24.40 | xunil | Is backports.org just an alias? Is it better? |
| 00:25.04 | SynrG | xunil: go to backports.org in a web browser and tell me the answer |
| 00:25.55 | xunil | SynrG: seems to be down, but this isn't necessarily a proof it is completely abandoned because it could only be the index page which can't be reached. |
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| 00:26.01 | SynrG | "down"? |
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| 00:26.22 | SynrG | it redirects to backports.debian.org |
| 00:26.36 | SynrG | how did that look down to you? |
| 00:26.53 | NiLon | redShadow was it ubuntu? I remember pack that had "rm -rf / usr" but I thought it was arch or something |
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| 00:27.19 | NiLon | or was it /usr /real/path |
| 00:27.21 | NiLon | anyway |
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| 00:27.52 | SynrG | xunil: anyway, backports used to be maintained outside of the debian infrastructure. it is now fully integrated. |
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| 00:29.37 | redShadow | NiLon: I remember ubuntu, which is also the only distro backporting bugs removed from debian a couple years before.. (please, tell me you remember about that thing, I don't feel like trying to recover the link :P) |
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| 00:32.06 | SynrG | redShadow: to be more precise, there are automated passes through the whole archive for things like "do these packages install, upgrade, remove ok?" a package removing all of /usr just would never make it to stable. |
| 00:32.21 | NiLon | redShadow I just remember the case where deleting a pack did happen to remove /usr because of added space in path :p |
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| 00:35.11 | redShadow | SynrG: yeah, I definitely trust newrelic's package less than the debian ones, but still, it seems quite unlikely that it would just wipe /usr/ and /var/ ... |
| 00:35.21 | redShadow | especially /var/ a part from /var/log/mail.* !! |
| 00:35.33 | redShadow | this is the weirdest thing in all this, imho |
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| 00:36.46 | SynrG | redShadow: you can examine the maintainer scripts for any suspect packages. |
| 00:38.44 | redShadow | SynrG: yeah, I just hope to get the right version, as the one that was in /var/cache is gone.. |
| 00:38.58 | SynrG | bleh |
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| 00:42.20 | redShadow | SynrG: checked scripts in current latest version and they seem fine |
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| 00:47.11 | SynrG | redShadow: ah well. mystery. |
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| 01:36.44 | woshty | viccuad: Every contribution to a security related part of linux/open source should be seen as a potential attack and treated as such. Security related features need to be audited by competent ppl and useless feature bloat needs to stop. On the stuff starting "From the start, my revelations": It is pretty incoherent, I do not know what he is talking about. |
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| 01:37.42 | viccuad | woshty: well, true |
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| 01:38.04 | viccuad | How secure and reproducible is Debian's package building? |
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| 01:39.04 | woshty | viccuad: You mean like the modifying the source on the build hosts? |
| 01:39.16 | viccuad | woshty: yes |
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| 01:40.36 | woshty | viccuad: no clue, source packages are signed I think. So you should be able to reproduce the binaries with an identical setup. |
| 01:41.06 | woshty | I do not know if anybody does that for the whole repos |
| 01:41.20 | woshty | Would be interesting to find out. |
| 01:41.26 | viccuad | that's the point :( |
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| 01:42.01 | yu_ | where the inserted pendrive logs are stored /var/log/ |
| 01:42.07 | yu_ | tell me the exact files |
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| 01:42.50 | woshty | It seems the current narative is: it is a lot easier to slip in "bugs" upstream |
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| 01:43.55 | kevix | viccuad: there are various hashes used during the build process like in the debian dsc files and the deb binary packges md5 or sha1 sums |
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| 01:44.29 | kevix | viccuad: also the packges files is hashed IIRC |
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| 01:44.49 | yu_ | usb logs file ? |
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| 01:45.12 | woshty | kevix: really? Isnt that what stuff like tiger does? |
| 01:45.15 | kevix | yu_: log lines on LFS systems are in /var/log |
| 01:45.27 | kevix | huh, woshty |
| 01:45.52 | yu_ | exact files |
| 01:45.57 | yu_ | so many log files are there in var/log |
| 01:46.16 | yu_ | but in which file always the usb logs will have |
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| 01:46.35 | anticorrupcion | check out this new kde layout |
| 01:46.36 | anticorrupcion | http://imgur.com/feq03xk |
| 01:46.39 | anticorrupcion | i am the boss! |
| 01:46.39 | woshty | kevix: It might be interesting to have checksums from the build process before stuff gets linked .. or is that done already? |
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| 01:48.11 | squisher | hey folks, I'm running exim4 and I'm getting all over sudden an "unrouteable address" error for an account that I sent email to just an hour ago |
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| 01:48.56 | squisher | exim4 -d -bt says in the end "router = dnslookup, transport = remote_smtp" which is what I would expect |
| 01:49.35 | kevix | see https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Checksums |
| 01:49.46 | kevix | 5.6.24 |
| 01:49.54 | kevix | woshty: ^^ |
| 01:50.13 | kevix | viccuad: ^^ |
| 01:50.52 | viccuad | viccuad: ^^ |
| 01:51.02 | viccuad | glad to see that :-) |
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| 01:51.37 | matlock | so, i'm upgrading from squeeze to wheezy |
| 01:51.38 | matlock | ... |
| 01:52.00 | matlock | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'gdm3'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
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| 01:52.25 | matlock | Package gdm3 is not installed, so not removed |
| 01:52.47 | woshty | kevix: thx |
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| 01:55.40 | asterismo | hi people |
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| 01:55.48 | asterismo | one kind of odd question |
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| 01:56.08 | asterismo | is there any debian package for virtual/online education? like moodle? |
| 01:56.25 | asterismo | is there any software of that kind in ebian repos? |
| 01:56.26 | alm | hello, quick question: using make-kpkg, can i call make-kpkg kernel_image a second time after changing the kernel config/.config around without it resulting in a clean? i want to be able to just build whatever is changed |
| 01:56.28 | asterismo | debian repos? |
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| 01:57.07 | sadtaco | How do I delete everything from tmp? "rm -fr /tmp/*" doesn't do it. |
| 01:57.12 | kevix | asterismo: there is a debian-edu subproject and skolinux |
| 01:57.36 | kevix | asterismo: and yes, moodle |
| 01:58.35 | kevix | asterismo: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu |
| 01:59.21 | asterismo | i'm used to moodle, but i thought maybe there is something a little bit simpler that moodle |
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| 01:59.39 | asterismo | kevix, |
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| 02:00.41 | kevix | asterismo: something new : https://code.google.com/p/oppia/ |
| 02:01.10 | kevix | asterismo: some of kahn acaedumy software is open source |
| 02:01.44 | kevix | asterismo: what ages of student? |
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| 02:02.17 | asterismo | kevix, mostly university, but could get down ti high-school |
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| 02:02.54 | asterismo | i would like to have a simple classroom interfase, i think moodle is a quite complicated and maybe for large amount of groups... |
| 02:03.05 | asterismo | automated tests and that |
| 02:03.41 | asterismo | this is more like amateur astronomy courses, or university courses with like ~10 student at most |
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| 02:05.40 | kevix | asterismo: http://sourceforge.net/projects/italc/ |
| 02:06.28 | kevix | asterismo: http://www.schooltool.org/ |
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| 02:21.50 | scalator | hi. does anyone know what debian version emits this in the .comments section of a compiled binary: GCC: (Debian 4.7.2-5) 4.7.2.GCC: (Debian 4.4.7-2) 4.4.7 |
| 02:24.21 | kupo | woshty: the heartbleed page says anything from 1.0.1-1.0.1f inclusive is no good, so that includes e and f |
| 02:24.30 | kevix | something about elf tools, scalator? |
| 02:24.56 | squisher | scalator, wheezy has gcc 4.7.2 |
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| 02:31.18 | scalator | squisher: thanks |
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| 02:37.00 | Captain_Crow | hi |
| 02:37.16 | wols | kupo: this only applies to upstream, not debian |
| 02:37.43 | Captain_Crow | is debian beginner friendly? |
| 02:38.06 | kevix | Captain_Crow: can you explain more? |
| 02:38.32 | Captain_Crow | gui desktop and gui package manager? |
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| 02:38.44 | kevix | there are those things |
| 02:39.03 | kevix | Captain_Crow: lxde, gnome, kde, |
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| 02:39.27 | kevix | Captain_Crow: synaptic package manager |
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| 02:40.04 | Captain_Crow | can i get debian with gnome by default w/o doing cli stuff? |
| 02:40.26 | kevix | I recall so. need to find the correct image |
| 02:41.20 | wols | Captain_Crow: yes |
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| 02:44.12 | Captain_Crow | is debianwheezy the most recent? |
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| 02:46.01 | centrx | Captain_Crow, It is the most recent stable release, yes. |
| 02:46.22 | kevix | Captain_Crow: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.installation-steps.html |
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| 02:51.33 | stevelitt | Does http://paste.debian.net/93451 look like I have the openssl version that cures heartbleed? What else do I need to do? I just did an apt-get update and an apt-get upgrade tonight. |
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| 02:53.11 | SynrG | stevelitt: see channel topic |
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| 02:54.40 | Captain_Crow | do i need a torrent program to download the wheezy iso or is there a regular download somewhere? |
| 02:54.43 | stevelitt | SynrG, what particular part of the topic? |
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| 02:55.40 | SynrG | /msg dpkg dsa2896 |
| 02:56.19 | centrx | Captain_Crow, Both torrents and regular downloads are available, as well as net install and such things |
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| 02:58.17 | SynrG | To bed for me. Gnite |
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| 02:59.08 | wols | Captain_Crow: https://www.debian.org/CD/ 4th item "download cd images via http and ftp |
| 03:00.25 | Captain_Crow | thanks |
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| 03:03.24 | Samantha- | lol |
| 03:03.24 | Samantha- | cocks |
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| 03:03.35 | Samantha- | �{]bs�P���4�Ud�0�W %�c�X����ӵ/���;(3!�|����$�˱Ѐ���'���.GH�FﳳG |
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| 03:03.47 | Samantha- | ���tG���J�4Di�$��ܹ�*�p�ta� ��U5*k������.*嗕�VH���VL^��>�����3>�ٟ���R�A�˳�������\ |
| 03:03.51 | Samantha- | ��rn��t�����w��%�1)kR��T��uk�븮�=8<xW�v��J*�mz�t���ebDx��� |
| 03:03.54 | lenswipe | Samantha-, shut the fuck up |
| 03:04.00 | Samantha- | �OcO$�z���Y�-��Di{Y��P��`���i:Fn���dMg���jK:>�uz�����xy��4��ϣX����!w�� �p�g�k]���{N�z��Ĕ^Mց���m��'Ȟ�"� |
| 03:04.02 | wols | !ops please help Samantha- to fix his IRC client |
| 03:04.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj: wols complains about: please help Samantha- to fix his IRC client |
| 03:04.04 | Samantha- | Q_���2�t�V��WT� |
| 03:04.04 | dvs | Idoru! |
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| 03:04.10 | Samantha- | �����zu[94L�����5{�)�a{������������ ��+˖�%�D@g2���#�]�����wׂ]_�(ʋ����IZn%����G^ay�D��r����Y[AG�y |
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| 03:04.25 | wols | dvs: idoru only helps if you spam many channels with the same messages |
| 03:04.26 | Samantha- | ��?�!�N�p�ՒZm�X��0z��YJe�/mX�� K&'#̨��3:�{U�'�*+D7��tz�����Ou��p��`[o�-����9|�Qy����$k����<@6�9���,-���H*� |
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| 03:04.51 | dvs | see? |
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| 03:06.08 | Captain_Crow | what was that all about? |
| 03:06.19 | kevix | what? |
| 03:06.26 | Captain_Crow | the spam |
| 03:06.31 | kevix | must be cats |
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| 03:07.03 | kevix | have you used a livecd, Captain_Crow? |
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| 03:09.45 | Captain_Crow | i've tried ubuntu, mint, and fedora |
| 03:10.02 | Captain_Crow | i have a thing thats puts an iso on a usb |
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| 03:10.26 | dvs | awaits the "u" word |
| 03:10.43 | lenswipe | dvs, you mean U****u ? |
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| 03:11.02 | dvs | lenswipe: no, I mean U********n |
| 03:11.03 | centrx | USB Ubuntu Ululations |
| 03:11.58 | Captain_Crow | do i just use the cd image? |
| 03:12.22 | dvs | Yes |
| 03:12.41 | wols | Captain_Crow: which you can put on a usb stick too |
| 03:13.13 | lenswipe | dvs, oh shit....yeah I had to do one of those once on a netbook...wasn't fun |
| 03:13.43 | dvs | But whyyyyyyy? Use win32diskimager instead! |
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| 03:18.30 | Captain_Crow | is debian-live-7.4 the right one? |
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| 03:19.02 | dvs | Captain_Crow: What is the full name of the ISO? |
| 03:19.49 | Captain_Crow | debian-live-7.4-i386-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 03:20.00 | lenswipe | dvs, and do what? |
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| 03:20.26 | dvs | Captain_Crow: That'll work |
| 03:20.31 | lenswipe | dvs, i have a netbook sat on my desk from a friend's 9 year old daughter who has managed to fuck ubuntu up and I have to reinstall |
| 03:20.51 | lenswipe | how will win32diskimager help unless i have 1) An ubuntu image and 2) the ability to take the drive out |
| 03:21.02 | dvs | lenswipe: Oh, I thought you have to use unetbootin on the netbook. |
| 03:21.10 | lenswipe | nope |
| 03:21.12 | fangfufu | my sysctl.conf doesn't seem to be respected |
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| 03:21.20 | lenswipe | dvs, i made a bootable USB stick and installed from there |
| 03:21.22 | dvs | !prize lenswipe |
| 03:21.22 | dpkg | gives lenswipe a My Little Pony. |
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| 03:21.26 | fangfufu | should i file a bug report? |
| 03:21.40 | lenswipe | accepts the pony and hides it somewhere in dvs's house |
| 03:21.48 | lenswipe | >: ) enjoy that |
| 03:21.56 | dvs | yikes! |
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| 03:22.11 | lenswipe | dvs, theres a brony at the front door - better go answer it >:D |
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| 05:31.39 | kingsley | What goes in /etc/apt/sources.list to retrieve packages from snapshot.debian.org dated October 10, 2013? |
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| 05:50.31 | koowgnojeel | Detect network hardware > The missing firmware files are: rt2870.bin > So I downloaded firmware-ralink_0.36+wheezy.1_all.deb from https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-ralink > I don't know how to use this with Debian-live installation media. And the deb file is in USB drive. |
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| 05:51.24 | koowgnojeel | Load missing firmware from removable media? means CD-rom ? not USB ? |
| 05:51.37 | koowgnojeel | @_@ |
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| 05:53.28 | koowgnojeel | (I'm reading https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en - 6.4. Loading Missing Firmware > Chapter 6. Using the Debian Installer) |
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| 05:58.57 | koowgnojeel | found the answer for me - http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.4.0-live+nonfree/ |
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| 05:59.29 | koowgnojeel | Thanks Debian GNU/Linux always. :x Love you |
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| 06:04.23 | somiaj | koowgnojeel: good work on finding that (: |
| 06:04.40 | koowgnojeel | somiaj: :) showme ? |
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| 06:05.04 | koowgnojeel | somiaj: Thanks ;) |
| 06:05.09 | somiaj | no finding the non-free firmware image, makes things easier. (: |
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| 06:06.09 | koowgnojeel | I copied deb and extracted files that came from that deb file to an usb and plugged that usb into my pc and usb-live installation media to my PC. |
| 06:06.27 | koowgnojeel | Now it passed :) |
| 06:07.35 | koowgnojeel | I mean plugged the both live-installation media and the file I needed. *:) went through smoothly. |
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| 06:08.25 | koowgnojeel | :x kisses at Debian |
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| 06:49.11 | chomwitt | hi . i try to connect with curlftpfs to an ftp server and i get connection time out and Error connecting to ftp: couldn't connect to host |
| 06:49.46 | chomwitt | from wheezy |
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| 07:17.44 | gregor2 | whats the best ssh deamon software |
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| 07:20.08 | gregor2 | omg |
| 07:20.19 | gregor2 | whats the best methode for ssh |
| 07:20.20 | gregor2 | ? |
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| 07:21.01 | aysorth | gregor2: you can use openssh or dropbear, whichever fits your purposes better |
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| 07:21.19 | aysorth | gregor2: there's no "best" ssh server |
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| 07:22.47 | gregor2 | and ssh client? |
| 07:23.28 | BoiBlue | Has Debian issued a response to this?: https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ |
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| 07:25.10 | spinningcompass | From the webpage: “UPDATE: Wikileaks is officially denying that Julian Assange literally said “Debian Is Owned By The NSA”. |
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| 07:25.47 | BoiBlue | he meant p0wned |
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| 07:32.02 | cybrNaut | the wireshark man page devotes 17 pages to listing authors |
| 07:32.14 | cybrNaut | i shit you people not.. just staggering |
| 07:32.22 | cybrNaut | that's just wrong |
| 07:32.57 | DrPossum | giving credit is a huge joke |
| 07:33.39 | cybrNaut | i certainly don't mind giving credit.. but the man page is the wrong place to do it |
| 07:33.42 | babilen | cybrNaut: I am sure you wanted #debian-offtopic |
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| 07:34.15 | cybrNaut | babilen: i'm not so sure... is this not something that can get a debian bug report? |
| 07:34.29 | cybrNaut | the authors should be moved from the man page to the info pages |
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| 07:36.58 | cybrNaut | in fact, I should submit a bug report against wireshark, after which I'll be a contributor, at which point I can be added to the 17 page list of contributors :) |
| 07:36.58 | babilen | cybrNaut: Feel free to report it, but your conversational tone did not give the impression as if you had something like that in mind. fwiw, I agree with your assessment. |
| 07:37.47 | babilen | cybrNaut: And yeah, this sounds like an upstream problem - you could also report it to Debian and then forward that to upstream (and indicate that in the bug tracker) |
| 07:38.01 | cybrNaut | babilen: i wasn't sure i would bring up the bug report idea here either... but anyway |
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| 07:51.33 | random | hi guys I need to compile a new version of synaptics because it seems that my touchpad problems are fixed but I don't really know how to proceed. I have the sources but how should I proceed? there is no "install" how to in the tar |
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| 07:52.18 | Blue1 | ./configure |
| 07:52.25 | Blue1 | make |
| 07:52.29 | Blue1 | sudo make install |
| 07:53.25 | random | Blue1, ah also drivers should follow the same procedure? (sorry for dumb questions...) |
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| 07:54.04 | Blue1 | yes, but it is necessary to reboot after installing drivers -- you can use modprobe to see if a driver is present |
| 07:54.57 | Blue1 | that is compiling and installing in a nutshell. |
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| 07:55.36 | random | Blue1, ok and what about the install folder? I mean it's a xorg -> synaptics driver so should I change some destination folder or just install as usual? |
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| 07:56.20 | Blue1 | sudo make install will install it in the correct location |
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| 07:56.50 | Blue1 | what kind of card are you using, thatyou have to compile a driver? |
| 07:57.21 | random | because I saw somewhere in forums that some dirs are not picked up correctly by xorg and there is no way to add a path to it |
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| 07:57.42 | Blue1 | again - what card are you using? |
| 07:57.50 | Blue1 | hint: lspci | grep VGA |
| 07:57.51 | random | Blue1, oh it's a damned t440s touchpad that is driving me crazy |
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| 07:58.09 | Blue1 | i am not familiar with that - sorry |
| 07:58.15 | random | Blue1, ok np |
| 07:58.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell random -about stow |
| 07:58.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell random -about stow usage |
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| 08:03.41 | gregor2 | is it a good idea to log in via ssh on root arcount with android phone? |
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| 08:06.56 | Blue1 | I wouldn't but that |
| 08:07.05 | Blue1 | I wouldn't do that - bgut that's me |
| 08:07.45 | petern_ | Yes but make sure your password is Hunter2 first. |
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| 08:08.45 | Blue1 | or that heartbleed is active |
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| 08:12.05 | jloosli | trying to install debian on a remote server over kvm |
| 08:12.22 | jloosli | when I drop to a shell, I see my network adapter |
| 08:12.51 | jloosli | after I go back to the installer, and select the appropriate driver, debian still doesn't want to recognize my nice |
| 08:12.52 | jloosli | nic* |
| 08:12.55 | jloosli | any ideas? |
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| 08:13.20 | Blue1 | I have had some problems I had to download a deb with the driver on it |
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| 08:13.45 | Blue1 | depends on what it is |
| 08:13.57 | jloosli | I have a chicken and egg problem, I can't download anything without a working NIC |
| 08:14.17 | Blue1 | the issue stems from the fact that many drivers are non-free and debian won't use anything that is non free for the most part |
| 08:14.29 | jloosli | well I have other debian servers |
| 08:14.33 | jloosli | running just fine, |
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| 08:14.44 | jloosli | but they are rented dedicated servers |
| 08:14.52 | jloosli | so I didn't do the install |
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| 08:15.35 | Blue1 | yeah I had to go find this: firmware-realtek_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb to install debian on one of my machines |
| 08:15.36 | jloosli | I'm going to finish the install of just the basic system packages |
| 08:15.46 | jloosli | then see if I can install the driver after the fact |
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| 08:16.03 | Blue1 | good luck |
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| 08:17.02 | aNnel | If I've messed up my bash prompt by `cat`ing a file, is there anyway to fix it or just kill it and open a new prompt? |
| 08:17.32 | Blue1 | kill and reopen would be fastest |
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| 08:17.53 | jloosli | I derped |
| 08:17.58 | jloosli | and didn't set the root password |
| 08:18.11 | jloosli | what does it get set to if that happens? |
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| 08:18.54 | Blue1 | well -- you can try to edit /etc/group and add yourself to to sudo |
| 08:19.00 | Blue1 | but |
| 08:19.12 | Blue1 | if you have no root access you can't get there from here |
| 08:19.42 | Blue1 | there are ways around /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow - but not recommended for a n00b |
| 08:20.43 | babilen | jloosli: You should have sudo setup for you |
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| 08:21.08 | jloosli | I didn't set a password for any user |
| 08:21.23 | jloosli | I just started over with the graphical installer |
| 08:21.25 | Blue1 | this may/may not help: http://pkill-9.com/how-to-easily-do-sudo-in-debian/ |
| 08:21.28 | babilen | jloosli: How did you manage to do that? |
| 08:21.34 | jloosli | I have no idea |
| 08:21.39 | jloosli | I've never had that happen |
| 08:22.06 | babilen | Blue1: That's a suboptimal tutorial |
| 08:22.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell jloosli -about ifrp |
| 08:22.36 | babilen | dpkg: tell jloosli -about sudoers |
| 08:22.38 | Blue1 | babilen: how can I make it better? |
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| 08:24.00 | babilen | Blue1: There is no need to edit those files manually as you can easily use the proper tools (e.g. "adduser FOO sudo") to manipulate them without the danger of messing up the syntax. |
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| 08:25.01 | babilen | Blue1: It also assumes that sudo is already installed while it may very well not be |
| 08:25.24 | jloosli | ^ |
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| 08:25.41 | jloosli | I have recieved new servers that were missing sudo |
| 08:25.46 | Blue1 | babilen: I have never seen a system w/o sudo but I will take that under advisement |
| 08:25.59 | babilen | Blue1: Debian does not install sudo by default (why should it?) |
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| 08:26.24 | wols | babilen: sort of does. it asks you about it on installation |
| 08:26.28 | jloosli | It's in my list of packages that puppet installs before anything else, if it's missing |
| 08:26.32 | Blue1 | babilen: I my experience with debian sudo has always been installed -- as they say YMMV applies |
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| 08:26.53 | jloosli | Blue1 I've had it both ways |
| 08:26.57 | jloosli | (phrasing) |
| 08:26.59 | babilen | wols: Sure, you can setup a system with sudo quite easily and I would personally consider that a good idea even, but there really is no guarantee that you have sudo on Debian |
| 08:27.22 | wols | Blue1: debian asks if you want to set a root password. if you do: no sudo. if you don't: sudo |
| 08:27.23 | random | Blue1, ok the problem was a configure.ac so running ./configure did not work. I needed to run autoconf to make the configure file |
| 08:28.03 | babilen | Blue1: No, YMMV does not factor into this. sudo is *not* installed in every case and it is therefore necessary to state the "sudo is installed" state explicitly if anything you do requires sudo to be installed. |
| 08:28.04 | jloosli | I'm only going through all of this |
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| 08:28.10 | jloosli | because someone managed to uninstall perl |
| 08:28.23 | babilen | heh |
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| 08:28.24 | jloosli | and the system ended up in a non-working state |
| 08:28.34 | babilen | jloosli: That should have triggered a fair amount of warnings! |
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| 08:28.42 | jloosli | it triggered all of the warnings. |
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| 08:29.14 | mintled | Debian SSL |
| 08:29.19 | Blue1 | wols: that explains it thanks -- yes I always set a root password |
| 08:29.20 | babilen | in the "IF YOU DO THIS YOUR SYSTEM WILL BE BROKEN! ARE YOU SURE THAT YOU WANT TO CONTINUE?" style of warnings |
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| 08:30.20 | wols | Blue1: then you never had sudo installed |
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| 08:31.59 | jloosli | welp |
| 08:32.17 | jloosli | going to bootstrap a system from a netinstall iso, without any network |
| 08:32.20 | jloosli | #hardmode. |
| 08:32.25 | Blue1 | good night |
| 08:32.41 | jloosli | thanks for the help |
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| 08:43.18 | jloosli | aha |
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| 08:43.38 | jloosli | I couldn't install my nic driver off the netinstall iso |
| 08:43.41 | jloosli | because it's not there -_- |
| 08:43.52 | jloosli | lesson: learned |
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| 08:57.40 | fairway | hi all |
| 08:57.46 | fairway | I am looking for a Time machine equivalent for Debian :) |
| 08:58.01 | fairway | Is there anything you could recommend me? |
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| 08:58.47 | timlyo | Do you mean you're looking for a way to backdate packages? |
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| 08:58.57 | fairway | yeah including settings |
| 08:59.14 | fairway | so I could do a full restore on a new system without hassle |
| 08:59.25 | timlyo | there's nothing I know of that makes it easy |
| 08:59.36 | fairway | oh I see |
| 08:59.52 | fairway | a pity. well its free software |
| 09:00.10 | timlyo | if you mount your home directory on another partition then you could reinstall easily without changing anything inside of it |
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| 09:00.20 | timlyo | although you'd have to reinstall your software |
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| 09:00.58 | nevyn | dpkg --get-selections > files |
| 09:00.58 | dpkg | selects nevyn's family photos collection |
| 09:01.51 | nevyn | fairway: you could do something with lvm snapshotting or backuppc |
| 09:02.06 | nevyn | so if you just want somethign crash consistant. that's pretty easy. |
| 09:03.52 | Jonuz | I updared my wheezy to jessie and then I ran out of memory and setting up some config files failed and I have been reinstall almost everything which does something with xorg or gnome3 |
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| 09:04.18 | Jonuz | Sessions manager works now smoothly but when I login gnome-shell is really slow |
| 09:04.55 | Jonuz | Is xserver-xorg-video-ati really that bad or am I missing something?:d |
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| 09:05.13 | Jonuz | In wheezy I used fglrx-legacy |
| 09:05.21 | SpeedyG | hi, I"ve got a question about wordpress on debian, seems like the standard package provides version 3.6.1 while latest stable version is 3.8.2. Irrespective, the debian-WP update page shows that 3.6.1 is the latest. Is there a possibility to install the latest from debian repositories? |
| 09:06.13 | Jonuz | Have you check backports? |
| 09:06.41 | fairway | ok |
| 09:06.46 | fairway | backuppc looks interesting |
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| 09:06.50 | fairway | thank you |
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| 09:08.12 | SpeedyG | Jonuz: seems that is more or less what I'm looking for, thanks :) |
| 09:08.17 | Jonuz | You can also check does wordpress have their own repo for debian (like mozilla dies) |
| 09:08.24 | Jonuz | does* :D |
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| 09:09.54 | wols | SpeedyG: jessie and sid have the latest wordpress, but then you don't get security updates |
| 09:10.01 | wols | which is kinda big deal with it I guess |
| 09:10.29 | wols | Jonuz: what videochip? |
| 09:10.29 | tp43_ | anyone use exim email server. I cant receive emails and they don't bounce back either. |
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| 09:10.52 | Jonuz | It was *something* hd 2200 |
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| 09:11.00 | Jonuz | It should be supported |
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| 09:12.11 | wols | there is no "hd 2200". a firemv 2200 is all there is |
| 09:12.17 | wols | and what exactly is slow? |
| 09:12.33 | SpeedyG | wols: what'd you mean by 'dont get security updates', those version do get updated in the repos as well when security fixes come around don't they? |
| 09:12.48 | wols | check with glxconfig |
| 09:12.59 | wols | SpeedyG: testing and unstable don't have security support |
| 09:13.03 | wols | ,v libssl1.0.0 |
| 09:13.05 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on i386 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6; jessie: 1.0.1g-2; sid: 1.0.1g-2; experimental: 1.0.2~beta1-1 |
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| 09:13.38 | wols | it took much longer for jessie and sid to get unvulnerable libssl packages than debian stable. |
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| 09:16.19 | SpeedyG | wols: one of the things I'm a bit in doubt about is the security of 3.6.1 versus 3.8.2. Would, from a debian perspective version 3.6.1 on stable be considered more secure than 3.8.2 on testing/unstable although 3.8.2 from a wordpress perspective is deemed to be more secure ? |
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| 09:21.23 | wols | SpeedyG: debian does the security, so yes it's more secure than anything in testing or unstable. that's the point of the security support: fixes are backported when there is an exploit. see the current heartbleed bug: oldstable was not affected, all fine, stable was affected got a backported fix immediately. jessie and sid took a few hours or a day even with such an important bug |
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| 09:22.39 | SpeedyG | wols: thanks :) |
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| 09:23.23 | Jonuz | Why there isnt fglrx-legacy-driver in testing? |
| 09:23.46 | Jonuz | Or can I just install it from wheezy-backports or will it conflight with jessie's xorg? |
| 09:23.46 | wols | cause it's testing. stuff is not there, or breaks, or whatever |
| 09:24.03 | SpeedyG | wols: as a guy working in security, running 'old' software is always something people will comment on.... knowing there's a good process on fixing security in the 'old' software faster than in the latest software :) |
| 09:24.07 | wols | you can typically simply backport it from unstable |
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| 09:24.12 | SpeedyG | after all, don't want to be accused of SNS ;) |
| 09:24.50 | wols | people in security should always only run "old" software. tested and tried software. you still need to backport fixes when needed of course |
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| 09:29.36 | SpeedyG | wols: tested and tried yes, old no :) because from security-discussion-perspecive old commonly is pointed out to be the category of no-longer/less supported, and containing vulnerabilities (i.e. winXP) |
| 09:30.14 | wols | up to last month XP was perfectly fine. |
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| 09:37.02 | Jonuz | Oh sorry, my GPU wasnt * HD 2200, it is Radeon HD 24 |
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| 09:37.38 | wols | Jonuz: have you ran glxconfig or checked your Xorg log to see what driver is used? |
| 09:38.07 | Jonuz | lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 09:54.09 | elichai2 | I'm looking for a good tool for restoring partitions... |
| 09:57.23 | wols | depends how you backed those partitions up |
| 09:57.39 | wols | generally: clonezilla |
| 09:57.44 | elichai2 | I didn't backed them up |
| 09:58.11 | elichai2 | I got them lost by some repartition tool :( |
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| 09:59.12 | wols | then make a full backup of the full disk now, then use stuff like testdisk or photorec. but basically: your data is gone. lost. perdu. |
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| 10:20.39 | Jonuz | Is there way to change resolution from terminal?? |
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| 10:20.55 | l3rg | yes |
| 10:21.20 | Jonuz | Can you tell how?:) |
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| 10:22.12 | l3rg | one sec |
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| 10:22.40 | l3rg | example: sudo xrandr --size 14/800x600 |
| 10:23.19 | l3rg | there are different sizes the first number is the size 1-15 |
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| 10:24.58 | red234324 | Hi all, how can I kill the Gnome Screensaver daemon forever? |
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| 10:25.05 | Alessy89 | :) |
| 10:25.28 | xgley | red234324: never start it. :) |
| 10:25.29 | wols | red234324: uninstall it? |
| 10:26.57 | red234324 | done it, sudo apt-get remove gnome-screensaver |
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| 10:27.18 | Alessy89 | :) |
| 10:27.27 | red234324 | thanks guys, i was thinking it was built into gnome, but it could be uninstalled :) |
| 10:28.59 | elichai2 | Why remove? Why not purge? |
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| 10:29.38 | xgley | gnome maybe removed when purge, I think. |
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| 10:31.45 | red234324 | elichai2, just happy that one worked! Got xscreensaver and gss was conflicting it, driving me nuts every 10 minutes, now it is no mo :) |
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| 10:34.08 | dsda | Hi can anyone help me with debian install on virtbox. All installed ok but 7Gb i think is more then need…. i think i instale some unneeded soft. where i can read about minimal install of debian? |
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| 10:36.34 | wols | dsda: at the end of the debian installation there is tasksel. don't select anything there, not even "standard task" and you get the smallest debian possible |
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| 10:37.52 | dsda | wols: thnx. i think i need ssh and standart utilites? (i really need ssh =)) |
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| 10:38.22 | wols | sure. do you need a GUI? |
| 10:38.32 | wols | if so, for something small, get xorg and lxde |
| 10:38.38 | dsda | wols: no? i dont need gui at all |
| 10:38.47 | dsda | *no |
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| 10:39.53 | dsda | i had some time work with terminal, i need this virtual for bitcoind + webserver, and i think I dont need any gui. |
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| 10:39.54 | xgley | wols: you can install them after minimal debian is finished. |
| 10:39.57 | wols | then I don't understand how you managed to use up 7GB... |
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| 10:40.52 | dsda | wols: i make 8 gb disk image under virtualbox and after i install debian it look like 8 total / 7.5 used |
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| 10:44.00 | wols | dsda: run "df" inside debian |
| 10:45.20 | dsda | wols: already. it look like i wrote upper. 7.5 used, but now i reinstall. in few minutes i can see result. |
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| 10:49.53 | dsda | wols: used 992Mb =) thnx you =) |
| 10:50.13 | debian_123 | hello i have a player "iriver astel and kern" and the debian don't see him after connecting by usb. what can i do to fix this ? |
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| 10:51.17 | well_laid_lawn | what is a 'player "iriver astel and kern" ? |
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| 10:52.03 | wols | dsda: still too much |
| 10:52.31 | wols | well_laid_lawn: check your dmesg output after you connect it. it should show at least something |
| 10:52.40 | wols | if it's a MTP device you need extra stuff |
| 10:52.41 | wols | !mtp |
| 10:52.42 | dpkg | Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) is a Microsoft protocol for transferring images, music (etc.) between a computer and a portable device. Standardized as a USB device class in 2008. The libmtp shared library provides MTP interoperability for applications including <Amarok>, <Audacious>, <Banshee> and <Rhythmbox>; <jmtpfs> provides conventional filesystem access. See also <PTP>. |
| 10:53.29 | debian_123 | <well_laid_lawn> http://doctorhead.ru/product/iriver_astell_kern_ak100_silver/ |
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| 10:53.47 | well_laid_lawn | heh wols I was asking debian_123 what he was asking about ;) |
| 10:53.52 | Jonuz | Is there any magic command for reinstalling every package?:D |
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| 10:54.57 | dsda | wols: and what i need to do with this? |
| 10:55.05 | wols | !tell Jonuz about reinstall |
| 10:55.12 | wols | Jonuz: I don't get what you want to solve with this however |
| 10:55.13 | lord_rob | Jonuz: apt-get install --reinstall foo |
| 10:55.25 | tremon | Jonuz: there's aptitude reinstall ~i but it will likely fail (circular dependencies, pre-depend loops, etc) |
| 10:56.02 | tremon | also "reinstall every package" will not resurrect missing /etc files |
| 10:56.19 | Jonuz | lord_rob: I know that but I dont know every package which I should reinstall :D |
| 10:56.35 | Jonuz | Oh |
| 10:56.49 | wols | Jonuz: why do you think you need to reinstall anything? what did you break and how? |
| 10:56.52 | dsda | wols: ok i make apt-get -y purge virtualbox* && apt-get -y autoremove and now it 791 |
| 10:57.13 | Jonuz | I was updating wheezy to jessie and ran out of memory |
| 10:57.21 | tremon | Jonuz: dpkg --get-selections | awk '$2=="install" {print $1}' |
| 10:57.23 | Jonuz | Now I guess I'm missing some config files |
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| 11:01.16 | kale | hi gurus, my new debian install crashes when i sync a 155Gig with unison. I have been running memtest86 for a day with no errors, and ran "smartctl -t long /dev/sdX" on all harddrives which gave a clean report. So now i am looking for anything that could help me find the fault. Any ideas? |
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| 11:03.29 | hoxu | kale, how does it exactly crash? |
| 11:04.00 | kale | hoxu: the system becomes inresponsible. it does not react to keyboard or acpi-power-button. |
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| 11:05.29 | hoxu | kale, have you tried writing lots of data on the same disk where you synced with unison, with dd if=/dev/zero for example? |
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| 11:05.57 | kale | hoxu: no, the drive is a raid10. |
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| 11:06.07 | infrid64 | hi! |
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| 11:07.06 | kale | hoxu: i even tried running "tail -f /var/log/messages" so i would get the output even before it was written to disk, hoping to get some kind of message, but that did not help either. |
| 11:07.48 | hoxu | kale, I would first test writing /dev/zero on the disk(s) and see if that's stable |
| 11:08.20 | kale | hoxu: you mean, doing that to each disk. one disk at a time? |
| 11:09.06 | hoxu | kale, no, first write on the raid as you probably did with unison, and see if that triggers the issue |
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| 11:09.28 | kale | hoxu: so i could just write a large file then? |
| 11:09.42 | hoxu | yep |
| 11:10.02 | kale | hoxu: ok, will be back in 256Gigabytes :-) |
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| 11:10.11 | hoxu | :) |
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| 11:14.12 | horsik | how can i query which installed packages require some specific package? |
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| 11:14.38 | hoxu | horsik, apt-cache rdepends |
| 11:15.04 | kale | hoxu: I did this, runs at about 100MB/sec because I am on luks; for i in $(seq 1 1 16); do dd if=/dev/zero of=zerofile${i} bs=1M count=16384; done |
| 11:15.58 | debian_123 | <wols> the dmesg say "[16924.474848] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 61431768 512-byte logical blocks: (31.4 GB/29.2 GiB)" |
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| 11:16.16 | nevyn | if that works... there's bonnie++ |
| 11:16.37 | nevyn | !bonnie++ |
| 11:16.56 | wols | debian_123: so you have a sdb block device. it's recognized then |
| 11:16.56 | nevyn | dpkg bonnie++ |
| 11:17.25 | babilen | hoxu: "aptitude why PKG" also |
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| 11:17.26 | wols | debian_123: you can mount it too probably. run "fdisk -l" as root |
| 11:18.08 | hoxu | horsik, ^ what babilen said |
| 11:18.44 | tp43_ | where can I find logs for exim? |
| 11:18.46 | hoxu | kale, see nevyn's advice, also, I'm wondering if it could be a symptom of system temperatures getting too high, probably not... but cpuburn might be worthwhile |
| 11:18.48 | tp43_ | /var/log/exim4 |
| 11:19.21 | tp43_ | nevermind |
| 11:19.23 | hoxu | how do systems react to too high temperatures nowadays anyway? |
| 11:19.23 | hamTo3 | hi guys, i am looking for an http-fileserver software for my debian server, so users can up and download Files with there browser. any good hint for me :) thx |
| 11:19.23 | cafuego | nevyn no less, hah! |
| 11:19.29 | cafuego | waves at nevyn and goes back to sleep mode |
| 11:20.01 | nevyn | cafuego: still at the office too? |
| 11:20.01 | nevyn | ;) |
| 11:20.02 | hoxu | hamTo3, had a look at owncloud? |
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| 11:20.38 | cafuego | nevyn: yes, but then that's not hard here :-) |
| 11:20.38 | cafuego | hoxu: Mine does what I tell it via the BIOS - whine an annoying whine. |
| 11:20.44 | hamTo3 | thougt it would be to big, i want it simpel, but will have a look now |
| 11:21.13 | ricepooding | Hi, quick question; my /var/log/syslog is only showing 'messages' since this boot. Does anybody know if these messages are cleared between boots or daily or something? |
| 11:21.20 | cafuego | hoxu: then we got 10 years of insane hot weather and now I just get lm-senseors to tell me ;-) |
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| 11:21.55 | debian_123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.22 | hoxu | cafuego, I'm thinking of temperatures high enough to warrant shutdown or something similar... I think there must be some safety limits, no? :) |
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| 11:23.04 | cafuego | hoxu: Usually only if yoy configure them; but any bios or firmware less than 10 years old should allow that (* laptops maybe excluded) |
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| 11:24.12 | trewas | hoxu: I have a laptop with sporadically failing fan, it gets really slow (limits cpu speed) if the temperature goes near 90C and halts at 104C... and that's by default, I haven't configured it myself |
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| 11:25.33 | hamTo3 | hoxu: it looks way to overpowerd, would like it simpel :D |
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| 11:27.17 | hoxu | hamTo3, I don't know how much simpler it can get really, you need user authentication, file uploading and downloading... owncloud has a bit more, but it's still fairly simple and slightweight - but let me know if you find something simpler :) |
| 11:28.17 | norberhuis | Hello, I have a server that provides file hosting for office workers and hosts several other applications. I would like to create automatical remote backups and be able to provide acces to the files remotely. This might be handled by separate applications. But what are your recommendations? I have tried using nas+rsync, but these attempts all failed. |
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| 11:29.43 | woshty | norberhuis: Failed? |
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| 11:31.27 | ricepooding | does Debian have a cron job that periodically truncates syslog? |
| 11:31.41 | nevyn | norberhuis: backuppc ? |
| 11:32.05 | tremon | ricepooding: it has logrotate |
| 11:32.06 | ricepooding | ahh, could you give me a dead quick explanation of what it does? |
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| 11:32.06 | infrid64 | ricepooding: you can check logrotate |
| 11:32.41 | nevyn | or some sort of crazy rsync+cvs thing |
| 11:32.42 | nevyn | which will be worse than backuppc |
| 11:32.42 | ricepooding | sorry, i'm a bit of a newbie |
| 11:32.42 | norberhuis | I failed in getting it working |
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| 11:32.55 | tp43_ | what does this mean: update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/mutt-org to provide /usr/bin/mutt (mutt) in auto mode |
| 11:33.33 | nevyn | tp43_: when you run mutt you get mut-org |
| 11:33.52 | nevyn | there must be multiple different mutt's in debian. |
| 11:33.53 | norberhuis | It can be a service like crashplan. I love to hear if anybody has experiences with services like that? |
| 11:34.04 | nevyn | blazebackup? |
| 11:34.08 | tp43_ | nevyn, no problem? |
| 11:34.20 | nevyn | not a problem |
| 11:34.20 | ricepooding | tremon, my pardon -- just looked under /var/log and i've noticed a couple of tar/gz's under the name of syslog. i suppose this is what logrotate does? |
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| 11:36.05 | norberhuis | nevyn: Do you use blazebackup yourself? |
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| 11:36.58 | tremon | ricepooding: yes. See man logrotate for how to configure its rotation and retention policy, and check the files in /etc/logrotate.d |
| 11:37.52 | ricepooding | tremon, thanks a lot, appreciate it |
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| 11:38.20 | nevyn | nope. |
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| 11:43.54 | jaggz | Why didn't thunderbird prompt me when I checked my mail, after I changed my snakeoil key used by postfix? (I restarted postfix after regenerating the key with make-ssl-cert generate-default-snakeoil --force-overwrite). The pem and key files' times are updated. |
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| 11:45.23 | nevyn | did you reload postfix? |
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| 11:51.23 | tp43_ | on debian, when you set up exim, there is a file you have to add you email accounts to, but I can't remember |
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| 11:52.15 | hasanakgoz | tp43_: How do you import accounts ? |
| 11:52.44 | tp43_ | hasanakgoz, i never did that, what do you mean |
| 11:52.59 | tp43_ | I am just using system account, like root and user1 |
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| 11:54.04 | S4nD3r | Hi there. I'm trying to install Debian. I got non-free-firmware image. I don't know how to correct error in setup mirror |
| 11:54.14 | S4nD3r | I tried a lot of mirrors |
| 11:54.19 | S4nD3r | neither works for me |
| 11:54.56 | SynrG | what's the error |
| 11:55.13 | S4nD3r | mirror doest not support the specified release (wheezy) |
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| 11:55.46 | S4nD3r | I get it in virtual console |
| 11:55.51 | SynrG | which image did you use |
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| 11:56.19 | S4nD3r | firmware-non-free-netinst |
| 11:56.23 | SynrG | no ... |
| 11:56.26 | S4nD3r | something like that |
| 11:56.28 | SynrG | URL please. |
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| 11:56.51 | S4nD3r | someone gave me here |
| 11:57.05 | SynrG | sigh ... fine, i'll *assume* you have the correct image. |
| 11:57.09 | S4nD3r | I'm not in my xchat now |
| 11:57.22 | S4nD3r | I'm using windows now to try to solve it |
| 11:57.32 | S4nD3r | in another computer |
| 11:57.48 | SynrG | the base system installs OK, though? |
| 11:57.59 | S4nD3r | sure |
| 11:58.12 | S4nD3r | I didn't finished yet |
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| 11:58.24 | SynrG | you could finish the install with just a base system, install grub, reboot, fix the archive problem and then install a desktop. |
| 11:58.25 | S4nD3r | !tell firmware non-free |
| 11:58.42 | S4nD3r | I'm afraid of that |
| 11:58.51 | SynrG | because? |
| 11:59.01 | S4nD3r | to don't get it |
| 11:59.11 | S4nD3r | can you help me? |
| 11:59.23 | SynrG | which mirror(s) did you try? the error is very odd. i've never seen it. |
| 11:59.42 | S4nD3r | I tried Brazil |
| 11:59.44 | S4nD3r | Portugal |
| 11:59.46 | S4nD3r | USA |
| 11:59.55 | S4nD3r | many of then |
| 12:00.07 | SynrG | just a second. looking it up. |
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| 12:01.03 | SynrG | i think this just means your network does not work at all. |
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| 12:01.14 | SynrG | nothing wrong with the mirrors :p |
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| 12:01.25 | S4nD3r | oh |
| 12:01.35 | S4nD3r | but, debian found the card |
| 12:01.41 | SynrG | yes |
| 12:01.56 | SynrG | apparently your network did work. then it dropped ... and then it failed to work after that. |
| 12:02.04 | S4nD3r | what to do? |
| 12:02.06 | SynrG | so maybe it's flaky. are you on wireless? |
| 12:02.10 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 12:02.37 | SynrG | can you press the esc key and go back to the menu and re-run the network configuration again? |
| 12:02.48 | S4nD3r | maybe, If I return a setup ethernet and uses it |
| 12:02.58 | SynrG | perhaps you can reacquire your network connection again this way |
| 12:03.14 | S4nD3r | ok |
| 12:03.18 | S4nD3r | detect or configure |
| 12:03.20 | SynrG | that would be better if you did ethernet, yes |
| 12:03.20 | S4nD3r | ? |
| 12:03.23 | SynrG | if that's an option for you |
| 12:03.34 | SynrG | otherwise, your network connection might just drop again in the middle |
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| 12:04.27 | SynrG | "detect or configure?" <- i have no idea what you're asking |
| 12:04.42 | SynrG | i haven't memorized the installer menus, so i don't know what you're looking at |
| 12:04.47 | S4nD3r | i will try it |
| 12:04.49 | S4nD3r | back soon |
| 12:04.52 | S4nD3r | thanks for while |
| 12:04.54 | SynrG | k. good luck |
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| 12:07.04 | S4nD3r | great |
| 12:07.11 | S4nD3r | it's working on ethernet card |
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| 12:07.41 | SynrG | super |
| 12:07.49 | S4nD3r | so, I'll need to learn how to install wireless card after finish it |
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| 12:08.02 | SynrG | as for wifi flaking out, are you near the hotspot? is there a lot of interference in your area? |
| 12:08.19 | SynrG | i don't think so. you don't need to install over wifi to make wifi work |
| 12:08.47 | SynrG | it sounds like at one point it did work (detected the card, automatically acquired an IP#) |
| 12:09.16 | SynrG | unless there's something *else* there that went wrong with that step that you didn't tell me :) |
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| 12:09.50 | S4nD3r | it's working well |
| 12:10.05 | S4nD3r | the problem is on debian computer |
| 12:10.16 | S4nD3r | I was using ubuntu 13.04 |
| 12:10.27 | S4nD3r | for 6 years |
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| 12:10.51 | woshty | How can I tell linux which GFX to use for primary framebuffer? |
| 12:10.52 | S4nD3r | but, I decided to come back using the best one, Debian |
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| 12:11.08 | S4nD3r | I've used that for some years, before change to debian |
| 12:11.14 | S4nD3r | change to ubuntu** |
| 12:11.30 | woshty | It always picks the onboard one, but I like it to be an offboard |
| 12:11.52 | wols | woshty: depends on the laptop |
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| 12:18.31 | woshty | wols: It is not a laptop, it is a "normal" PC. I am using the inchip-Intel for a separate seat. Maybe just tell the kernel which fb to use at boot? |
| 12:19.01 | abrotman | try it and see |
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| 12:19.23 | wols | woshty: you connect the monitor to the discrete videocard and it will be used |
| 12:19.50 | wols | also, you might have to set "PEG first" or whatever it's called in BIOS |
| 12:19.58 | wols | and X uses whatever you set in xorg.conf |
| 12:20.47 | Jonuz | Is |
| 12:21.12 | Jonuz | Is libprocps0 necessary in jessie? |
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| 12:22.12 | danilo | ciao |
| 12:22.15 | danilo | !lista |
| 12:22.20 | woshty | wols: Yeah, X works fine, did have to set PEG first, otherwise it is off. I just do not get shown the boot process after it looks some fb is initialized and switching to text console it only outputs on the onchip intel. |
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| 12:23.25 | musca | hi danilo |
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| 12:32.55 | sandman13 | will grub cause issues if I try to install Arch alongside with Debian 7? |
| 12:33.26 | SynrG | just make sure you decide which OS is going to manage the grub config and don't forget it, and you'll be fine :) |
| 12:33.39 | SynrG | naturally we're going to suggest that debian continue to be the one that manages grub |
| 12:34.13 | SynrG | os-prober should handle it fine |
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| 12:35.44 | SynrG | e.g. after any kernel upgrade on arch, if i recall correctly, you will need update-grub to run on debian |
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| 12:40.00 | sandman13 | SynrG, isn't true that the latest installed OS will overwrite grub of currently installed OS? |
| 12:40.29 | SynrG | no? |
| 12:40.32 | wols | linux doesn't just overwrite other OSes bootloaders |
| 12:40.38 | SynrG | not if you tell it not to |
| 12:40.50 | SynrG | if it gives you no choice, it's a piss-poor OS installer |
| 12:40.55 | wols | and unlike certain OSes from Washington, they don't need to be installed into the MBR either |
| 12:40.58 | S4nD3r_ | this depends of partition too |
| 12:41.09 | S4nD3r_ | where is MBR |
| 12:41.37 | wols | the first sector on a harddisk is also called MBR |
| 12:41.44 | S4nD3r_ | that's it |
| 12:42.24 | S4nD3r_ | now for example, I removed windows but kept ubuntu |
| 12:42.41 | S4nD3r_ | the MBR was removed when repartition to install debian |
| 12:42.55 | abrotman | No |
| 12:43.12 | sandman13 | will this method work: making a separate /boot partition (accessed by both) and installing grub there? |
| 12:43.21 | S4nD3r_ | certainly, grub will be need to setup to find ubuntu |
| 12:44.00 | sandman13 | i am getting so confused here |
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| 12:45.31 | sandman13 | while partitioning should i follow this scheme: http://pastebin.com/SkkjxECY ? please correct it if necessary |
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| 12:47.20 | S4nD3r | or, keep /home to both OS is going to work too |
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| 12:47.27 | abrotman | you don't know that |
| 12:47.34 | abrotman | that's a risky proposition |
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| 12:47.54 | wols | even swap for both can be risky |
| 12:48.04 | S4nD3r | oh |
| 12:48.07 | S4nD3r | I did it |
| 12:48.15 | S4nD3r | home a swap to both |
| 12:48.34 | sandman13 | okay wols separate swap for both |
| 12:49.00 | abrotman | or use a swapfile instead |
| 12:49.02 | S4nD3r | So, will be run just one OS each time |
| 12:49.59 | sandman13 | abrotman i have 4GB of RAM |
| 12:50.05 | abrotman | and? |
| 12:50.52 | sandman13 | sometimes i think i don't need a swap especially with size of 1.5 * RAM |
| 12:51.54 | S4nD3r | this was a lot years ago, no? |
| 12:52.07 | SynrG | i would recommend against sharing *all* of /home between two OSes |
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| 12:52.17 | SynrG | you could share some portion of it, though |
| 12:52.22 | SynrG | (e.g. your large data component) |
| 12:52.33 | abrotman | sandman13: I can't answer that, I don't know your system usage patterns |
| 12:52.43 | SynrG | you'll want separate dotfiles for the different OSes, as they'll probably diverge quite a bit |
| 12:52.50 | sandman13 | abrotman: i barely use sleep or hibernate |
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| 12:53.56 | abrotman | still doesn't answer any questions |
| 12:54.36 | sandman13 | i am thinking of this about grub SynrG: installing Arch first and configuring the GRUB, then while installing Debian skipping the grub install process |
| 12:54.49 | sandman13 | but i don't know whether it will work or not |
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| 12:55.08 | SynrG | sandman13: talk to arch support about it, then |
| 12:55.17 | SynrG | i have no idea either because i don't know arch |
| 12:55.33 | SynrG | making arch responsible for managing grub for your whole system is an arch problem |
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| 12:56.48 | sandman13 | SynrG: or i can use grub of Debian and skip that of Arch too |
| 12:56.54 | sandman13 | will that work |
| 12:57.20 | SynrG | isn't that just what i said above? that, *we* can support, which is why i recommended it. :) |
| 12:57.38 | SynrG | it's not a matter of which way is better. it's all a matter of what's supported here. |
| 12:57.48 | SynrG | it's up to you to decide which is better for you. |
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| 12:58.30 | SynrG | there are multiple ways to skin this particular cat |
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| 12:59.31 | abrotman | we only skin potatoes around here .. |
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| 13:02.13 | sandman13 | SynrG: suppose i installed grub from Debian, if i made some changes in Arch( stopped the execution of some scripts) what will happen? how do i reflect the changes on Grub menu? will update-grub from Debian will work? |
| 13:02.33 | SynrG | er? |
| 13:02.41 | abrotman | sandman13: perhaps you should experiment with all of this in a VM first? |
| 13:02.47 | SynrG | how is "stopped the execution of some scripts" a grub problem? |
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| 13:03.03 | abrotman | sandman13: It seems you're not grasping some basic concepts of what you're trying to do |
| 13:03.04 | sandman13 | SynrG: grub menus |
| 13:03.23 | SynrG | arch's grub menus are irrelevant |
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| 13:03.50 | SynrG | here's the setup. debian installs grub to mbr and has its own /boot/grub, managed on debian by update-grub |
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| 13:04.31 | SynrG | arch does *not* install to mbr and can do whatever it wants in /boot/grub ... that is irrelevant |
| 13:05.01 | SynrG | debian runs update-grub after every debian kernel update and you need to do it also after arch kernel updates so os-prober can do its thing |
| 13:05.04 | S4nD3r | hahahahahaha |
| 13:05.05 | S4nD3r | great |
| 13:05.08 | S4nD3r | Debian is installed |
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| 13:05.30 | S4nD3r | thank you very much. Now I hope to get rid of Ubuntu forever |
| 13:05.50 | SynrG | sandman13: so in the end what you have is debian managing the whole thing, with os-prober automatically detecting the kernel for arch in /boot and putting an appropriate entry for it in *debian's* grub menu |
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| 13:06.00 | woshty | wols: I took a look at lsmod, it seems to have automatically loaded kvm-intel, trying to modprobe kvm-amd produces kvm: already loaded the other module in dmesg |
| 13:06.28 | S4nD3r | See you soon people |
| 13:06.33 | SynrG | sandman13: you don't need to 'stop the execution of some scripts' in arch. you just need to *not have arch install grub to the mbr* which is something you need to only do exactly once, when you install arch. |
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| 13:07.00 | SynrG | (which in this scenario you do after installing debian) |
| 13:07.08 | sandman13 | let's try it then |
| 13:08.47 | SynrG | sandman13: just make sure after installing arch, you boot back to debian and *re-run* update-grub ... |
| 13:09.00 | SynrG | sandman13: then reboot once more and you should have arch in debian's grub boot menu now |
| 13:10.22 | abrotman | probably want to ensure os-prober is installed |
| 13:10.30 | sandman13 | SynrG: i think i got it, Arch won't have grub installed so there won't be any redundant menus, Debian's grub will detect Arch after running update-grub |
| 13:10.30 | wols | woshty: create a initrd without kvm-amd maybe. blacklist kvm-amd including initrd, and then load it in /etc/modules explicitly. that could work |
| 13:10.41 | wols | !tell woshty about blacklist |
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| 13:11.08 | SynrG | sandman13: well, arch will have grub 'installed' (as a package) just not installed to the mbr of the boot drive for your system ... |
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| 13:12.08 | SynrG | sandman13: in a deluxe setup you could have two OSes on two drives, each installing its own grub to the mbr of its own drive. then you could have the BIOS choose the device to boot from by pressing the BIOS's key to select boot device ... |
| 13:12.26 | SynrG | sandman13: this arrangement is useful for, e.g. installing a second OS to a removable USB device |
| 13:12.41 | SynrG | as i said. more than one way to skin the cat :) |
| 13:13.06 | sandman13 | SynrG: i don't have two hard drives i have single one |
| 13:13.22 | SynrG | sandman13: in the case where both OSes cohabitate on the same drive, i prefer the first way |
| 13:13.56 | SynrG | (although even that is not an exhaustive list of all the possible arrangements of the pieces :) |
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| 13:14.52 | sandman13 | i would just test it out btw i am planning to remove Windows from my hard drive |
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| 13:19.24 | kale | hoxu: completed dd test while running burnK7 in 4 instances, no problems... |
| 13:20.18 | kccccc | Hi, I'm getting an error printed on paper when printing a PDF file with Kyocera FS-1320D. Using PPD driver "Kyocera FS-1320D (KPDL)" with CUPS. The driver is given by Kyocera ( http://usa.kyoceradocumentsolutions.com/americas/jsp/Kyocera/resource_details.jsp?pid=21472&rid=21585 ). The error that's printed is "Error: undefined. OFFENDING COMMAND: m. STACK: --nostringval-- 47". Any idea how to solve this? |
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| 13:25.48 | ssiilai | Lemote Yeloong is its own architecture not related MIPS, right? |
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| 13:28.57 | wols | ssiilai: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianYeeloong/HowTo/Install |
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| 13:29.30 | knaba | I am going to use owncloud. What do you advise me if I don't want to use mysql? postgres, mariadb, or something? |
| 13:30.07 | sandman13 | SynrG, i will install Debian's grub. I have one question though, is separate /boot partition for each OS is necessary? |
| 13:30.18 | ssiilai | wols: Is Yeloong a processor architecture? |
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| 13:30.58 | SynrG | sandman13: depending on your use case a separate /boot partition is probably not necessary for *either* OS ... |
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| 13:31.19 | wols | ssiilai: no loongson is a MIPS architecture. Yeloong is a company using these chips |
| 13:31.23 | SynrG | sandman13: using lvm? raid? encryption? i think in some of these cases they recommend a separate boot partition. |
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| 13:31.50 | ssiilai | wols: So what is Lemote? |
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| 13:32.48 | wols | sorry: Lemote is a company, Yeeloong is a product of theirs |
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| 13:33.14 | ssiilai | wols: Ok, So the Yeloong netbooks are using Loongson? |
| 13:33.39 | wols | yes. from the looks of it a godson-3 chip |
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| 13:35.12 | SynrG | sandman13: what are you really asking? if both OSes can share the same /boot partition? no. each OS will assume exclusive ownership of it. |
| 13:35.38 | SynrG | sandman13: "premature optimization is the root of all evil" - Donald E. Knuth |
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| 13:36.08 | SynrG | (i.e. if you optimize something before you've weighed the cost/risk/benefit, you'll always end up the loser) |
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| 13:38.00 | sandman13 | SynrG: let me send you the basic overview of partitioning |
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| 13:38.04 | kccccc | How to mount a img file that is converted from dmg? |
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| 13:38.32 | SynrG | send? me personally? i'm about to walk off and ... you know, life :) but if you want to put it in a public paste, go ahead |
| 13:38.36 | sandman13 | SynrG: here -> http://pastebin.com/AS6T62YU |
| 13:38.43 | SynrG | looks |
| 13:38.47 | kccccc | $ file /home/myuser/Desktop/Kyocera\ OS\ X\ 10.5+\ Web\ build\ 2014.03.17.img |
| 13:38.48 | kccccc | /home/myuser/Desktop/Kyocera OS X 10.5+ Web build 2014.03.17.img: Apple Driver Map, blocksize 512, blockcount 29514, devtype 0, devid 0, descriptors 0, contains[@0x200]: Apple Partition Map, map block count 3, start block 1, block count 63, name Apple, type Apple_partition_map, contains[@0x400]: Apple Partition Map, map block count 3, start block 64, block count 29440, name disk image, type Apple_HFS, contains[@0x600] |
| 13:39.01 | SynrG | sandman13: but uggh, pastebin.com |
| 13:39.04 | SynrG | !pastebin.com |
| 13:39.05 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 13:39.18 | ssiilai | wols: "The Lemote Yeeloong is a lightweight laptop ("netbook") with a 64-bit Loongson 2F MIPS-compatible processor.", can I run Debian Yeloong on other MIPS computers from scratch as well. |
| 13:39.19 | sandman13 | sorry |
| 13:39.48 | SynrG | sandman13: looks fine to me. as i said before, in the straightforward cases a separate /boot partition is not strictly necessary |
| 13:40.21 | SynrG | that is usually only needed to solve some case where the boot files would otherwise be made inaccessible for the BIOS to boot |
| 13:41.19 | sandman13 | i would probably install Debian first as it is easier to setup thanks to graphical install |
| 13:43.16 | wols | ssiilai: there is no "debian yeloong". there is only debian wheezy which is available for many different cpu architectures |
| 13:43.22 | wols | including MIPS |
| 13:43.49 | ssiilai | wols: Thank you |
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| 13:47.15 | matlock | hey guise |
| 13:47.17 | matlock | having an issue |
| 13:47.25 | matlock | cause I hate Gnome 3, i'm installing mate |
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| 13:47.55 | matlock | but... when i follow what's on http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download it gives me dependance errors |
| 13:48.11 | themill | matlock: you should ask them, then |
| 13:48.19 | matlock | I'm in #mate but they seem about as alive as a dead stick |
| 13:48.27 | wols | we know. they distibute bad packages. please ask them to fix their packages. we cannot help you with 3rd party repos like this |
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| 13:48.49 | wols | matlock: you are not the first with this issue, sadly |
| 13:48.49 | matlock | is there another alternative that's similar to gnome 2? |
| 13:48.57 | ssiilai | wols: Can you please have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions#Architecture_support and tell me if "Lemote Yeloong" is correctly placed (eg should it be Loongson?) |
| 13:49.04 | wols | matlock: try xfce maybe? lxde? |
| 13:49.06 | SynrG | matlock: yes. use xfce |
| 13:49.11 | SynrG | matlock: or even kde ... |
| 13:49.16 | matlock | lol kde |
| 13:49.17 | SynrG | take your pick |
| 13:49.31 | SynrG | (yes, i know. not 'similar to gnome' in any way, shape or form :) |
| 13:49.32 | matlock | i kinda hate kde because i kinda hate gnome 3 |
| 13:49.49 | matlock | in my mind they look the same.. i.e. 'here to look pretty rather than be functional' |
| 13:50.14 | abrotman | matlock: so use something else. Maybe try LXDE? |
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| 13:50.26 | wols | ssiilai: just cause it's on wikipedia doesn't mean it's true. read the debian wiki page I linked you again. it states the yeloong will work with debian if you overcome the booting problem (for which there is a solution shown on that page) |
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| 13:50.32 | SynrG | i think you may have fundamentally misunderstood their goals, then, as each doesn't merely try to look pretty, but tries to reinvent the desktop experience around saner design principles |
| 13:50.59 | SynrG | what we've taken for granted about what a desktop should look and feel like doesn't scale well |
| 13:51.00 | wols | SynrG: for various meanings of "sane" :) |
| 13:51.16 | ssiilai | wols: Should it be "Loongson" at the wikipedia article instead? |
| 13:51.21 | SynrG | wols: well i did say "tries to" |
| 13:51.33 | SynrG | the status quo is broken |
| 13:51.43 | SynrG | the replacement may be broken too, but in different ways ... |
| 13:52.17 | SynrG | in time, i hope things will stabilize around new desktop designs that solve the old problems without creating huge new ones |
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| 13:52.27 | SynrG | in the interim, we have turmoil |
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| 13:53.32 | bertrik | I switched to XFCE, it's functional, and pretty enough |
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| 13:57.16 | matlock | ok here's another issue |
| 13:57.32 | matlock | ever since i upgraded to wheezy my volume control has been broken |
| 13:57.52 | matlock | i.e. there's no volume control on the bar on the top |
| 13:58.00 | matlock | it worked perfect in squeeze |
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| 13:58.21 | abrotman | matlock: in what? |
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| 13:58.33 | matlock | gnome classic |
| 13:58.51 | SynrG | i guess you don't run pulseaudio then? |
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| 13:59.20 | SynrG | oh, gnome classic ... |
| 13:59.30 | matlock | i add one using the alt click method and get: The panel encountered a problem while loading "MixerAppletFactory::MixerApplet". |
| 13:59.34 | SynrG | that is a very sad thing in 3.2. i wouldn't recommend it for daily use |
| 13:59.45 | matlock | well I HATE GNOME3 |
| 13:59.46 | SynrG | it falls far, far short of providing a usable fallback for hardware not supporting gnome-shell |
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| 14:00.20 | matlock | it's like when ubuntu came out with unity |
| 14:00.23 | SynrG | it's a very basic environment that will get you by in a pinch. but otherwise, not great. |
| 14:00.26 | matlock | i ditched that in .2 seconds |
| 14:00.49 | sandman13 | try KDE matlock |
| 14:00.50 | matlock | because i hate everyone trying to be like winblows 'herpaderp we hav touch panels now' no we freaking don't |
| 14:00.54 | SynrG | but this had to do with timing ... wheezy released with gnome 3.2, a very early point release of a very new desktop. so ... a bunch of rough edges. |
| 14:01.12 | SynrG | anyway, enough bitching about gnome3, k? :) #debian-offtopic for that. |
| 14:01.17 | matlock | i did a dist-upgrade |
| 14:01.18 | SynrG | we've laid out the alternatives. |
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| 14:01.49 | matlock | should alsa-mixer be 'not found'? |
| 14:02.01 | matlock | herp |
| 14:02.01 | matlock | nvm |
| 14:02.16 | matlock | at least one volume works. |
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| 14:03.00 | fuuuuuu | Hi guys 400 DOGE tip to who tells me how to attach a screen to a specific user via a cronjob |
| 14:03.02 | fuuuuuu | :D |
| 14:03.44 | matlock | it's almost like i wanna take my dist-upgraded system, and downgrade all the software just to get it the way i want it :| |
| 14:04.34 | matlock | anyway, I told #mate to fix their broken packages.. |
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| 14:06.05 | fuuuuuu | either no1 into cryptocurrency or no1 into helping :( |
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| 14:06.52 | SynrG | Or you've fundamentally misunderstood what motivates people here to help. |
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| 14:08.48 | fuuuuuu | well if it's not the pleasure of helping others enter the Linux world neither money, you're right, I don't. |
| 14:09.19 | fuuuuuu | gotta be one of those 2 |
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| 14:09.35 | fuuuuuu | :) |
| 14:09.57 | wols | the problem is you offering "money" for help immediately. that probably put off many who would've at least tried to help |
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| 14:10.23 | wols | but if you didn't understand that when SynrG pointed it out to you, I guess all hope is lost anyways |
| 14:11.01 | tremon | fuuuuuu: besides that, attaching a screen to a user is very much a physical act, and not something you can easily write a cronjob for |
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| 14:12.13 | matlock | also i get these: Err http://download.tuxfamily.org wheezy/cairo-dock i386 Packages 404 Not Found |
| 14:12.25 | matlock | and W: GPG error: http://www.deb-multimedia.org wheezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 14:12.26 | themill | matlock: still not our problem? |
| 14:12.47 | matlock | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy/updates/main i386 Packages \ 404 Not Found |
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| 14:13.13 | themill | matlock: congratulations for winning the "most errors in your sources.list" prize. |
| 14:13.17 | themill | dpkg: tell matlock about wheezy sources.list |
| 14:14.06 | tremon | matlock: try adding /debian to that ftp.us url |
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| 14:14.39 | themill | no, wheezy/updates isn't on regular mirrors |
| 14:15.03 | tremon | oh yeah, I missed that |
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| 14:15.48 | matlock | http://paste.debian.net/93498/ |
| 14:15.58 | themill | what a mess |
| 14:16.14 | matlock | you should see my squeeze one... lol |
| 14:16.44 | themill | it's nothing to be proud of. Don't expect anyone to help you with a system that looks like that. |
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| 14:18.01 | matlock | well i do have this too so... http://paste.debian.net/93499/ |
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| 14:27.43 | fuuuuuu | wols & SynrG: no sir, the problem is you having no idea what DOGE tips stand for. |
| 14:27.56 | fuuuuuu | which is in a big way completely against money too |
| 14:27.58 | fuuuuuu | anyway |
| 14:28.09 | fuuuuuu | if any1 wants to help, pm |
| 14:28.29 | themill | dpkg: tell fuuuuuu about ask |
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| 14:28.44 | themill | fuuuuuu: you'll do better if you actually ask a question and show what and how you have tried. |
| 14:29.13 | fuuuuuu | well i'm quite a linux noob so probably the problem is how i'm asking the question |
| 14:29.33 | Metaleer | And how you address other people. |
| 14:29.34 | fuuuuuu | i believe this should be a really easy thing for the any1 "fluent" with linux |
| 14:29.55 | Metaleer | Pro tip: try not to antagonize or put down people who help for free. They won't help you. |
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| 14:30.38 | fuuuuuu | well Metaleer i was never rude to anyone, rather the other way arround simply because of a doge tip confused with offering money. |
| 14:30.44 | themill | fuuuuuu: it's not easy when they can't work out what you're asking and you spend all of your time insulting potential helpers rather than improving your question or providing answers. |
| 14:31.07 | fuuuuuu | well when did I insult anyone o.o |
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| 14:31.35 | fuuuuuu | I believe I only insulted myself eventually by calling myself a linux noob. which I don't take as an insult, it's the truth |
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| 14:32.38 | themill | Your signal:noise is still falling. A question and some details would help. |
| 14:33.03 | fuuuuuu | ye well i was trying to understand where I insulted you first |
| 14:33.08 | fuuuuuu | to try to solve that |
| 14:33.14 | fuuuuuu | I meant no harm. |
| 14:33.43 | fuuuuuu | anyway |
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| 14:34.47 | shingouz | sunday.... :s |
| 14:35.01 | Batzig | hello. i have a slight problwm. i installed windows, then i installed debian. when i start my computer windows starts automatically. i want debian to ask which one to start |
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| 14:37.32 | redShadow | hi guys.. I'm looking for ideas on how to check whether a backup restore was successful, i.e. compare two filesystems and make sure they're "identical" |
| 14:37.39 | matlock | there i fixed my sources.list |
| 14:37.50 | redShadow | I could write something, but that something would require testing, etc. etc. |
| 14:38.19 | matlock | heh |
| 14:38.38 | matlock | thinks up a nice oneliner containing find sort and diff |
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| 14:39.43 | redShadow | matlock: I'm looking for something more advanced :) eg. I need to compare file contents, permissions, uid/git, but eg. I can safely ignore [acm]time, at least in some cases.. |
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| 14:40.01 | matlock | hmm |
| 14:40.05 | tremon | redShadow: rsync -n comes to mind |
| 14:40.39 | redShadow | more complex things might be checking hardlinks (I don't care about inode number, but hardlink must have been preserved!), special files, posix acls and attributes, .. |
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| 14:41.13 | redShadow | tremon: yeah, at worst it might work, but it's still not optimal (especially if I want to, eg., ignore times) |
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| 14:42.03 | tremon | check man rsync, in particular the --ignore-times option |
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| 14:43.01 | redShadow | tremon: yeah but still, what about stuff like hardlinks, etc..? :) |
| 14:43.02 | tremon | although that's only half the answer, that rsync option just forces rsync to compare all files, even if their modtime are equal |
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| 14:43.28 | tremon | it's not the same as not syncing if metadata is out of sync |
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| 14:44.23 | tremon | rsync is hardlink aware, but I don't think it will force link consolidation if two files should have been hardlinked. |
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| 14:59.43 | fuuuuuu | I am connected via SSH say with user "test" to a machine and I ran "screen -r PID" to attach that screen to my session. I also have a cronjob periodically killing this process i'm screening and when it dies, the screen obviously dies too. How can I make the cronjob itself re-attatch the screen if I don't have a keyboard to re-type "screen -r PID" on the console. There! All in 1 line and explained as best as I can |
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| 15:02.02 | fuuuuuu | sorry, ***Periodically restarting the process, not killing |
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| 15:02.15 | fuuuuuu | It dies and reborns :) |
| 15:02.30 | tremon | cron typically runs without an attached terminal. I'm not sure it's possible to force a command to run on a specific terminal |
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| 15:03.02 | tremon | I think I would do this with a dedicated inittab line rather than through cron |
| 15:03.45 | fuuuuuu | the cron's purpose is just to restart the application, it's simply not handy to have a keyboard on the machine that is connected via ssh, it just serves as a monitor |
| 15:04.16 | fuuuuuu | so avoiding re-typing "screen -r PID" is what i can't do |
| 15:04.25 | fuuuuuu | is "screen -r pid.tty.host" the answer? |
| 15:05.05 | tremon | fuuuuuu: and what would that attach where, if run from cron? |
| 15:05.17 | wols | why is a cronjob killing a process in the first place? a screen session easily runs for months |
| 15:05.39 | fuuuuuu | the cronjob isn't killing the screen session |
| 15:05.51 | fuuuuuu | it's killing the process i'm running the screen in |
| 15:06.10 | wols | you mean the shell that started your screen sessions? |
| 15:06.14 | wols | *session |
| 15:06.34 | fuuuuuu | i'm confused. I told you I was a noob. I started the screen session initially by hand |
| 15:06.57 | wols | the point of screen is that it will not stop when its parent process dies |
| 15:07.16 | wols | so there is nothing to kill, nothing to restart. you simply reattach to your screen session and you're done |
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| 15:07.42 | tremon | wols: yes, but screen exits when its (singular) child window dies |
| 15:07.49 | wols | e.g. you connect today via ssh to your debian. your start screen, do your stuff inside like e.g. run a irc client |
| 15:07.55 | fuuuuuu | tremon got my point |
| 15:08.01 | tremon | I think fuuuuuu is running his daemon in a screen session |
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| 15:08.09 | fuuuuuu | i connected via SSH |
| 15:08.15 | fuuuuuu | and i ran screen on an already running process |
| 15:08.16 | wols | then you disconnect by closing your ssh client. tomorrow you reconnect via ssh, run "screen -r" and you are back in your screen session with running irc and all |
| 15:08.25 | fuuuuuu | yes wols |
| 15:08.26 | fuuuuuu | now say |
| 15:08.28 | fuuuuuu | i connect now |
| 15:08.31 | fuuuuuu | i run screen -r |
| 15:08.37 | fuuuuuu | the child process dies |
| 15:08.40 | SynrG | !enter |
| 15:08.40 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 15:08.41 | fuuuuuu | and so does screen |
| 15:09.02 | wols | you mean a child process inside screen? then screen will not die |
| 15:09.12 | SynrG | Please … use enter less often … |
| 15:09.14 | fuuuuuu | [detached from 19788] |
| 15:09.18 | fuuuuuu | what is this then? lol |
| 15:09.23 | tremon | wols: "screen sleep 3" will die after 3 seconds ;) |
| 15:09.53 | wols | detached means detached. you can still reattach |
| 15:10.10 | matlock | i haven't had any issues with screen + irssi |
| 15:10.30 | fuuuuuu | yes wols |
| 15:10.33 | fuuuuuu | i want exactly that! |
| 15:10.34 | wols | fuuuuuu: what are you running inside screen? |
| 15:10.39 | tremon | fuuuuuu: I think your primary issue is that you have coupled your daemon to your monitoring session. That's usually not how daemons work |
| 15:10.41 | fuuuuuu | sgminer |
| 15:10.43 | fuuuuuu | :D |
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| 15:11.09 | fuuuuuu | you have to realise a linux noob has no idea how a daemon works |
| 15:11.15 | wols | so you start "screen"+enter, and then inside you type "sgminer"+enter. and you are done |
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| 15:11.35 | tremon | a better approach would be to have your daemon just run as a service and redirect its output to a logfile |
| 15:11.39 | matlock | do you have to press enter between the commands? |
| 15:11.41 | wols | and tomorrow you can do screen -r and you're back in your sgminer session or at the bash prompt if sgminer stopped, where you can restart it |
| 15:11.48 | matlock | I've always started my irssi with 'screen irssi' |
| 15:11.51 | tremon | Then, from your screen session, follow that logfile with tail -f |
| 15:12.21 | fuuuuuu | you didn't read the most important part wols |
| 15:12.33 | wols | which was? |
| 15:12.36 | fuuuuuu | tomorrow i won't have a keyboard on the machine that is connected via ssh to this one |
| 15:12.46 | fuuuuuu | that's why i want it on the cronjob |
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| 15:12.51 | fuuuuuu | right after restarting the child process |
| 15:12.59 | fuuuuuu | i want it to reattatch to the same session |
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| 15:13.07 | fuuuuuu | if it's my typing it's no prob |
| 15:13.12 | fuuuuuu | screen -r sgminer again |
| 15:13.15 | wols | then you do it wrong. you run sgminer via a script. that will automatically restart sgminer when it stops |
| 15:13.17 | fuuuuuu | and there it is |
| 15:13.37 | wols | a cronjob is the wrong tool for this job |
| 15:13.55 | fuuuuuu | i don't want to restart it when it stops |
| 15:14.00 | fuuuuuu | i just want to restart it periodically |
| 15:14.01 | fuuuuuu | ;) |
| 15:14.04 | wols | something like: "while (1) do sgminer end" (this is pseudo code) |
| 15:14.07 | matlock | ex. your sgminer process does NOT terminate, cron job runs, now you have 2 processes running |
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| 15:14.23 | fuuuuuu | well |
| 15:14.28 | fuuuuuu | not if i programmed it correctly :D |
| 15:14.39 | fuuuuuu | if it detects no hash, it will reboot the system and not the process |
| 15:14.59 | matlock | why would you do a system reboot? |
| 15:15.10 | wols | for what reason would you want to stop sgminer and restart it? |
| 15:15.19 | wols | isn't the point of mining to do it 24/7? |
| 15:15.43 | fuuuuuu | cause for some reason when any card fails the process will get defect and can't be killed |
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| 15:15.54 | fuuuuuu | lol |
| 15:16.00 | matlock | you could just have your script find the PID once it's been started, write to a file, then periodically grep ps for that PID... |
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| 15:16.02 | fuuuuuu | cause 5+ card machines aren't stable 24h/7 |
| 15:16.06 | wols | that makes no sense. "card fails the process"? |
| 15:16.08 | fuuuuuu | a simple restart every 2 hours solves the prob ;) |
| 15:16.23 | fuuuuuu | sorry, "when the card fails, the process.." |
| 15:16.41 | fuuuuuu | it's just how it is |
| 15:16.55 | fuuuuuu | when a cards gets sick, sgminer can't be killed correctly. |
| 15:16.59 | wols | well: "while (1) do sgminer; sleep 7200; kill sgminer end. |
| 15:17.03 | wols | a cronjob is still wrong |
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| 15:17.22 | matlock | does it zombie? |
| 15:17.25 | fuuuuuu | yeah |
| 15:17.29 | fuuuuuu | when a card gets sick yeah |
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| 15:17.35 | fuuuuuu | that's why i have the reboot on the ELSE IF |
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| 15:17.53 | wols | "card gets sick"? you need to check your knowledge about hardware me thinks |
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| 15:18.03 | fuuuuuu | wols it's more like: if (hash detected) restart miner else restart system |
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| 15:18.21 | fuuuuuu | wols if you used sgminer you would know what I mean :) |
| 15:18.33 | petern_ | So basically you have faulty hardware... |
| 15:18.36 | fuuuuuu | it actually says the card is SICK :) |
| 15:18.44 | fuuuuuu | no not the hardware |
| 15:18.52 | matlock | why not if ps -aux |grep sgminer | grep Z; then shutdown -r now |
| 15:18.54 | fuuuuuu | it's caused by software, trust me |
| 15:19.21 | petern_ | Get the software fixed then... |
| 15:19.23 | fuuuuuu | first of matlock you probably didn't read from the beggining but as a linux noob I have no idea what that will do :) |
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| 15:19.50 | matlock | it will test if Z is in any column that has sgminer in the process list |
| 15:19.57 | fuuuuuu | oh cmon we're going waaaay offtopic guys.. i've already lost weeks making sure if it's hardware, software of wahtever |
| 15:20.01 | matlock | if Z is there, it will then restart the pc |
| 15:20.10 | fuuuuuu | most miners just solve it by simple restarting the miner every 2 hours or so |
| 15:20.26 | matlock | what are you mining anyway? |
| 15:20.39 | matlock | bitcoins? |
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| 15:20.59 | fuuuuuu | scrypt, the prob is only linux can handle 5+ cards on this specific board. so here comes the linux noob to mine on linux :) |
| 15:21.45 | fuuuuuu | anyway to get back on topic. I only really need the command to reattach a screen to a specific SSH connected user |
| 15:22.17 | fuuuuuu | i appreciate your worries with the rest but it just and it's stable |
| 15:22.30 | fuuuuuu | I thought this would be like a direct answer |
| 15:22.50 | tremon | fuuuuuu: you can't. There is no way you shoud want to break in on a running user terminal from a cronjob |
| 15:22.58 | fuuuuuu | the logic seems easy from a web developer point of view: simply push that client console a command trhought the cron |
| 15:23.16 | fuuuuuu | tremon no way at all? |
| 15:23.18 | petern_ | Why aren't you just killing the process under screen, and restarting it there? |
| 15:23.24 | petern_ | No need to kill screen and reattach it. |
| 15:23.33 | fuuuuuu | cause i'm doing it periodically |
| 15:23.38 | fuuuuuu | automatically |
| 15:23.56 | fuuuuuu | cronjob was the first thing that came to mind, i'm a web developer. sys admins take care of these things for us :D |
| 15:24.04 | fuuuuuu | so far. |
| 15:24.26 | petern_ | Kill the miner process, not screen. Seems kind of obvious. |
| 15:24.50 | fuuuuuu | ye well the problem then relies on the command i'm running |
| 15:24.54 | petern_ | Then you have a script that runs the minor process indefinitely. Cron kills that, script restarts it. |
| 15:24.55 | dizzylizzy | i've never had to deal with laptop batteries and power in any real way before... i just bought this laptop and at first everything was fine, i'd plug it in and xfce4's panel battery reporter would say "xx% full, charging, Xh Ym until fully charged"... but now it just says "XX% full, charging", does not report when it will be done, and in fact just keeps draining |
| 15:25.00 | tremon | petern_: and how do you propose you re-run the miner process as a child of that same screen session from a cronjob? |
| 15:25.15 | petern_ | tremon, you don't, obviously :) |
| 15:25.22 | fuuuuuu | lol |
| 15:25.24 | tremon | oh ok. Thought I missed something ;) |
| 15:25.30 | fuuuuuu | the prob relies on the command i'm running |
| 15:25.34 | petern_ | miner process is a child of the script, the script is a child of screen. |
| 15:25.46 | fuuuuuu | i'm not running the sgminer process specifically |
| 15:25.57 | fuuuuuu | running "mine start" |
| 15:26.14 | fuuuuuu | probably "mine stop" then is killing the screen and not just the fact that the process dies? |
| 15:26.16 | fuuuuuu | can that be it? |
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| 15:27.00 | tremon | fuuuuuu: you're not running "screen mine start" |
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| 15:27.20 | fuuuuuu | no just mine stop + mine start, again, from the cron |
| 15:27.46 | matlock | facepalm |
| 15:27.57 | fuuuuuu | wellllll |
| 15:27.59 | tremon | then there's no way to solve this except for editing the mine start script, I think |
| 15:27.59 | fuuuuuu | as I said |
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| 15:28.29 | fuuuuuu | so it must be the mine start script that specifically kills the screen? |
| 15:28.34 | petern_ | So cron is running mine start/stop. Where does screen come into it? |
| 15:28.35 | fuuuuuu | stop in this case |
| 15:28.45 | fuuuuuu | petern_: |
| 15:28.48 | fuuuuuu | it runs it |
| 15:29.13 | fuuuuuu | i want it to run the screen too to a specific session/user that is connected via ssh |
| 15:29.17 | tremon | petern_: my guess is that the mine script actually does screen sgminer $options , aka poor-man's daemonize |
| 15:29.27 | petern_ | tremon, yeah, that's what i'm thinking too |
| 15:29.32 | theBat | Hi, is anybody here using the i3 window manager? |
| 15:29.40 | matlock | you may want to look at this... |
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| 15:29.48 | matlock | it *may be able to* kill zombies |
| 15:29.49 | matlock | http://paste.debian.net/93512/ |
| 15:30.21 | fuuuuuu | can i just paste it on the terminal or must i run it from an .sh? |
| 15:30.25 | fuuuuuu | i have a zombie right now |
| 15:30.28 | matlock | it's an .sh |
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| 15:31.05 | matlock | but again, you'd have to have the PID of the process in question |
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| 15:31.21 | matlock | i think |
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| 15:31.27 | ScottE | theBat: I use i3 |
| 15:31.31 | matlock | i haven't run that in a while |
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| 15:32.48 | fuuuuuu | something is still really confusing in my logic |
| 15:33.05 | fuuuuuu | why do i get [screen is terminating] |
| 15:33.16 | fuuuuuu | if i kill specifically sgminer |
| 15:33.21 | fuuuuuu | and not the screen |
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| 15:33.34 | fuuuuuu | just tried it |
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| 15:33.48 | matlock | run through your steps again |
| 15:33.57 | matlock | from the starting of the process |
| 15:34.02 | matlock | to screen terminating |
| 15:34.16 | tremon | fuuuuuu: because screen is running with a singular (non-shell) child. Screen exits automatically when all its children have died |
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| 15:34.42 | fuuuuuu | and it's not possible to order it to start on a specific user's session? |
| 15:34.46 | fuuuuuu | if you're root? |
| 15:34.58 | matlock | lol so in theory you could do screen bash (enter) sgminer |
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| 15:35.22 | fuuuuuu | ok but it's a cronjob launching a bash file |
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| 15:35.31 | S4nD3r | Great!!! Now, In Debian Wheezy |
| 15:35.49 | fuuuuuu | batch* |
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| 15:36.03 | fuuuuuu | wait i'm confused again aahahah |
| 15:36.11 | matlock | batch is windows shell script |
| 15:36.14 | theBat | ScottE: great. Sent you a private message. |
| 15:36.18 | matlock | bash is bourne again shell |
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| 15:36.49 | ScottE | theBat: we can talk about it here :-) |
| 15:37.20 | ScottE | theBat: or on #i3 |
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| 15:49.44 | fuuuuuu | matlock: please fix what you said, that is not true :) |
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| 15:50.03 | matlock | ok yea i read that wrong sorry |
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| 15:50.22 | fuuuuuu | i got the rule n1 the first time :p |
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| 16:00.16 | greenit | hi, i'd like to get one specific package from testing or unstable and let the rest of the system on stable. Can anyone help me to apt-pin this package please? |
| 16:00.45 | abrotman | dpkg: tell greenit about ssb |
| 16:00.48 | abrotman | greenit: which package? |
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| 16:01.01 | greenit | abrotman, youtube-dl |
| 16:01.09 | abrotman | see what the bot told you |
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| 16:02.12 | sixpindin | Anybody link me some starting-points on this issue? :http://pastebin.com/5L5cPuGh |
| 16:02.12 | greenit | abrotman, so the easiest way is to build it on my local computer and install the deb? |
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| 16:02.53 | sixpindin | or anybody recommend a linux-gfx channel? - as it's a bbswitch problem |
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| 16:03.19 | abrotman | greenit: sure |
| 16:03.25 | greenit | abrotman, ok, thx |
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| 16:03.37 | hesco | any plans announced yet for patching heartbleed in the debian package for openssl? |
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| 16:03.59 | sixpindin | hesco: thought it was patched...I got an update |
| 16:04.03 | abrotman | hesco: see /topic, already done |
| 16:04.16 | matlock | i got an update |
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| 16:04.45 | hesco | thanks abrotman |
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| 16:06.11 | abrotman | dpkg: tell hesco about dsa |
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| 16:16.09 | sanchez_ | How can I scan my hardware to see if I have bluetooth support? My laptop manual says "BluetoothTM |
| 16:16.11 | sanchez_ | Some: Bluetooth 2.1 wireless + EDR, USB 2.0 interface |
| 16:16.11 | sanchez_ | " |
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| 16:16.53 | wols | sanchez_: lsusb |
| 16:17.19 | sanchez_ | http://pastebin.com/v66agNqj |
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| 16:17.54 | jaggz | Why didn't thunderbird prompt me when I checked my mail, after I changed my snakeoil key used by postfix? (I restarted postfix after regenerating the key with make-ssl-cert generate-default-snakeoil --force-overwrite). The pem and key files' times are updated. |
| 16:18.18 | wols | can't see any BT. cardreader, fignerprint reader, cam. what notebook is this? |
| 16:18.30 | sanchez_ | lenovo b570 |
| 16:18.36 | sanchez_ | on the website i see drivers for bluetooth go figure |
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| 16:18.55 | jaggz | Sanchal: maybe look through dmesg too? |
| 16:19.14 | Coweater | bluetooth can be disabled in bios or maybe a hardware switch. or it may be an option and not there at all. |
| 16:19.15 | wols | some models of the b570 might have BT, some don't. my x230 is similar: some have BT, mine does not |
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| 16:19.32 | sanchez_ | =[ thanks wols |
| 16:19.45 | sanchez_ | yeah I'll check the bios good idea, but I imagine the manufacturer wouldnt turn it off |
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| 16:20.28 | jaggz | sanchez_: http://linux-hacks.blogspot.com/2008/09/toggling-bluetooth-in-ibmlenovo.html ? |
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| 16:21.07 | jaggz | cat /proc/acpi/ibm/bluetooth |
| 16:21.26 | wols | jaggz: he has no thinkpad |
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| 16:21.56 | sanchez_ | not a thinkpad |
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| 16:22.29 | dingo_ | Hey, does anyone here know the proper channel to get, f.x, a shared VPN IP unbanned from the debian wiki? I get 403 when I try to access it, and disconnecting from my VPN is a massive bother due to my funky local network situation... |
| 16:22.32 | wols | sanchez_: have you ever used BT on this hardware? |
| 16:22.36 | sanchez_ | nope |
| 16:22.59 | wols | dingo_: unbanned for simply viewing the page? or editing it? |
| 16:23.11 | dingo_ | wols, Just viewing it. |
| 16:23.34 | wols | dingo_: use tor |
| 16:23.35 | greenit | i have a problem with updating in debian stable: after i write "sudo apt-get update" or "sudo aptitude update" after a few seconds a few seconds a window pops up stating that "the updates could not be fetched - aborted"... how can i fix this? |
| 16:24.01 | jaggz | sanchez_: well, lots of web hits :) |
| 16:24.12 | wols | greenit: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-get update" |
| 16:24.16 | dingo_ | wols, Sigh. |
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| 16:24.56 | grumpyguy | Hello |
| 16:24.58 | wols | dingo_: I suggest https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/Contact |
| 16:25.21 | wols | the feedback part in particular |
| 16:25.26 | grumpyguy | I wish to install dak but i get this error: File "./dak.py", line 39, in <module> |
| 16:25.27 | grumpyguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.27 | grumpyguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.27 | grumpyguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.27 | grumpyguy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:25.56 | dingo_ | wols, Hmm cheers, I'll contact them. I can use Tor, but I'd rather not, and it strikes me as extreme. Cheers. |
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| 16:26.06 | grumpyguy | hello |
| 16:26.10 | grumpyguy | i wish to install dak but i got this error : http://paste.debian.net/93524/ |
| 16:27.35 | greenit | wols, here is my output of policy: http://paste.debian.net/93525 and from update: http://paste.debian.net/993526 |
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| 16:28.21 | grumpyguy | any tutorial to install dak ? |
| 16:28.30 | greenit | wols, oh, second link is wrong, here is the right one: http://paste.debian.net/93526 |
| 16:29.34 | wols | greenit: looks all fine. apt-get doesn't do popups. it's all a line in a console |
| 16:29.50 | wols | apt-get can't do any windows, it's not a graphical program. text mode only |
| 16:30.03 | jelly-home | greenit: did you make any manual changes in sources.list? A wheezy sources.list should NOT have references to "stable" |
| 16:30.05 | greenit | yeah, seems like it's an update-daemon as it also pops up when i do nothing... |
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| 16:30.29 | matlock | <fuuuuuu> this obviously made the screen start in the 2nd console window |
| 16:30.30 | matlock | <fuuuuuu> and when the cron ran |
| 16:30.30 | matlock | <fuuuuuu> [screen is terminating] |
| 16:30.30 | matlock | <fuuuuuu> showed up on the 1st window |
| 16:30.30 | matlock | <matlock> where did you run the cron? |
| 16:30.30 | matlock | <matlock> first or second window? |
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| 16:30.34 | jelly-home | and that apt-get update output with "OK " looks unusual |
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| 16:30.44 | matlock | <fuuuuuu> lol |
| 16:30.57 | matlock | the cron he's running has this at the end |
| 16:31.09 | matlock | screen -r sgminer |
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| 16:31.18 | matlock | so when the cron runs, it takes over the screen session |
| 16:31.45 | matlock | he wants the cron to take over the screen session, start sgminer, then pass the screen session back to his tty |
| 16:31.46 | greenit | jelly-home, i did change it as i added non-free some time ago (i didn't have any problems there) and i changed wheezy to stable too. however, until now i didn't have any problems... |
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| 16:31.59 | jelly-home | greenit: why did you change wheezy to stable? |
| 16:32.19 | jelly-home | this is not a good idea long term |
| 16:32.24 | greenit | jelly-home, because when jessie is released i don't have to change the sources.list ;) |
| 16:32.31 | jelly-home | *facepalm* |
| 16:32.37 | matlock | wols, any ideas? |
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| 16:33.12 | wols | yes. cron is the wrong thing to use as I wrote above. and you shouldn't paste spam private messages |
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| 16:33.57 | oo_miguel | my motherboards manual claims that I have 6x Serial ATA 3.0Gb.s, however dmsg tells me that: http://pastebin.com/pWwFw3KA . Does this indicate that I have only 4x SATA II and 2x SATA I ? |
| 16:34.07 | oo_miguel | Or might something else be causing this output? |
| 16:34.25 | oo_miguel | (e.g. SATA II incompatible cable or something) |
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| 16:34.43 | wols | oo_miguel: what mainboard is it? it looks like you have 8 sata ports |
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| 16:35.00 | oo_miguel | https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5N32E_SLI_Plus/HelpDesk_Manual/ |
| 16:35.02 | wols | oo_miguel: and 5 devices connected |
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| 16:35.08 | matlock | wols, first answer on this page |
| 16:35.09 | matlock | http://askubuntu.com/questions/194293/how-to-send-terminal-command-to-a-tty-terminal |
| 16:35.12 | matlock | does that fit? |
| 16:35.18 | matlock | would that do what he wants? |
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| 16:35.49 | oo_miguel | hmm mabe ide ist handledd as SATA internally, |
| 16:35.57 | wols | oo_miguel: your optical drives for example might use sata 1.5Gb/s still. and there is only one kind of sata cable for all versions |
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| 16:36.05 | infrid64 | bye1 |
| 16:36.08 | infrid64 | bye! |
| 16:36.24 | jelly-home | matlock: why not let the user ask in the public channel instead of proxying his lines |
| 16:36.38 | matlock | because i'm asking |
| 16:36.39 | matlock | not him |
| 16:36.43 | jelly-home | mhm |
| 16:37.28 | oo_miguel | wols: you are right ara7 is my optical drive |
| 16:37.33 | oo_miguel | ata7* |
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| 16:38.04 | wols | oo_miguel: and sata6 might be an older hdd which uses sata1 |
| 16:38.35 | oo_miguel | wols: yes, the two hdds in question show up as 3.0Gbps, thank you |
| 16:38.49 | grumpyguy | hello |
| 16:38.51 | oo_miguel | still I wonder why one drive perfoms much better then the other one (they are identical and new) |
| 16:38.53 | grumpyguy | i posted here earlier |
| 16:38.57 | grumpyguy | i wish to install dak and i have some difficulties |
| 16:39.11 | grumpyguy | link to error :an update-daemon as it also pops up when i do n |
| 16:39.15 | grumpyguy | sorry |
| 16:39.16 | grumpyguy | wrong copy |
| 16:39.21 | greenit | how can i install "youtube-dl" in debian stable? it is neither in the normal repo nor in backports, i tried to add unstable-src (with a "deb-src" line in sources.list), but i still can't find it. what am i doing wrong? |
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| 16:39.35 | grumpyguy | link to dak install error http://paste.debian.net/93524/ |
| 16:39.59 | zykotick9 | greenit: you could just download the script and drop it into ~/bin |
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| 16:40.15 | matlock | i found it in the repos |
| 16:40.25 | jelly-home | greenit: the idea of "ssb" recipe is to add the deb-src and then compile and build the binary package yourself |
| 16:40.26 | matlock | you may need deb-multimedia |
| 16:40.27 | greenit | zykotick9, i'd like to get it via the repos... |
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| 16:40.57 | jelly-home | greenit: did you follow it through all the steps? |
| 16:40.58 | zykotick9 | greenit: youtube-dl needs to be updated on a regular basis, making in not idea for a debian package |
| 16:41.05 | greenit | jelly-home, yeah, but i am not able as i can't do a "aptitude build-dep youtube-dl" as it doesn't find the package |
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| 16:41.29 | greenit | matlock, do you have stable or testing? |
| 16:41.41 | matlock | i have both but... |
| 16:41.43 | jelly-home | greenit: how does "aptitude build-dep youtube-dl" fail? |
| 16:42.05 | wols | jelly-home: youtube-dl is not in wheezy |
| 16:42.10 | wols | ,v youtube-dl |
| 16:42.14 | matlock | http://paste.debian.net/93531/ |
| 16:42.16 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2014.02.17-1; sid: 2014.02.17-1 |
| 16:42.21 | matlock | greenit, see link |
| 16:42.26 | greenit | jelly-home, it says that the package could not be found |
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| 16:42.37 | wols | greenit: it's not in wheezy, of course you can't find it |
| 16:42.40 | oo_miguel | I just installed this 2 identical hdd disks: http://pastebin.com/Q7pabtu3 but doing plain "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX" OR "dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/null" to test read and write perfomance to both of them results in quite different results: ~160 vs. ~190MB/s. Any idea what might be causing such a difference? I tried this "benchmark" multiple times. Also I am clearing the cache before every test. |
| 16:43.16 | greenit | matlock, can you pastebin your sources.list for me plz? |
| 16:43.21 | matlock | sure |
| 16:43.27 | matlock | you're going to need the preferences too |
| 16:43.41 | jelly-home | greenit: pastebin the output of "aptitude update; apt-cache showsrc youtube-dl; echo; cat /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 16:44.08 | wols | oo_miguel: seagate made two different kinds of these hdds. one with 2 platters, the other with 3. the difference for that is quite similar to what you see |
| 16:44.15 | greenit | jelly-home, is there an easy way to pack this all in one commandline so that there is only one pastebin? |
| 16:44.31 | greenit | jelly-home, i am using pastebinit |
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| 16:44.44 | matlock | greenit, http://paste.debian.net/93533/ |
| 16:44.59 | jelly-home | greenit: something like ( aptitude update; apt-cache showsrc youtube-dl; echo; cat /etc/apt/sources.list ) 2>&1 | pastebinit ... |
| 16:45.12 | jelly-home | matlock: oh fuck no |
| 16:45.19 | jelly-home | greenit: do not listen to matlock |
| 16:45.22 | oo_miguel | wols: hmm. does this mean that one disk is "worse", having an identical model name? |
| 16:45.41 | matlock | jelly-home, why does that break things? |
| 16:45.48 | jelly-home | matlock: please do not tell people to mix stable and testing, it makes for an unsupportable mess |
| 16:46.00 | wols | oo_miguel: yes. the 3 platter disk is slower |
| 16:46.06 | matlock | tell that to this guy then... http://blog.admiralakber.com/?p=158 |
| 16:46.30 | oo_miguel | wols: allright thank you very much. I would never find that out by myself ;) |
| 16:46.43 | jelly-home | matlock: I'm telling you, not interested in random blogs. |
| 16:47.24 | greenit | jelly-home, here is the output: http://paste.debian.net/93534 |
| 16:48.00 | greenit | jelly-home, i hope it's no problem that it is in german... |
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| 16:49.20 | jelly-home | greenit: looks as if you do have youtube-dl sources available. does "aptitude build-dep youtube-dl" work now? |
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| 16:50.20 | greenit | jelly-home, nope, still not working http://paste.debian.net/93535 |
| 16:50.45 | cybrNaut | greenit: there is a youtube-dl alternate for wheezy |
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| 16:51.02 | abrotman | there are a few |
| 16:51.10 | greenit | which ones? |
| 16:51.20 | jelly-home | greenit: alright, what about "apt-get build-dep youtube-dl" instead? |
| 16:51.27 | qu_ | I need to set the default browser for KDE, but I don't know the secret code for it to carry through the URL. |
| 16:51.33 | abrotman | greenit: apt-cache search download video ? |
| 16:51.40 | cybrNaut | greenit: cclive, iirc |
| 16:51.46 | qu_ | It's nowhere to be found in man bash. |
| 16:51.49 | jelly-home | cybrNaut: cclive is outdated as well |
| 16:51.50 | greenit | jelly-home, same |
| 16:52.00 | grumpyguy | guys, i want to install dak |
| 16:52.00 | qu_ | Something like torbrowser %u |
| 16:52.03 | grumpyguy | any help please ? |
| 16:52.07 | grumpyguy | http://paste.debian.net/93524/ this is the error iget |
| 16:52.17 | cybrNaut | jelly-home: i was able to grab it in wheezy.. no 3rd party repo needed afaik |
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| 16:52.28 | abrotman | grumpyguy: why are you trying to use dak ? |
| 16:52.44 | somiaj | qu_: Doesn't kde use the freedesktop defaults, i.e. xdg-mime, xdg-open, xdg-settings can be used to set the defaults that are open? |
| 16:52.57 | grumpyguy | i want to contribute |
| 16:53.01 | qu_ | somiaj: Idk. |
| 16:53.03 | somiaj | though I recall setting the default with xdg-settings a bit of a pain |
| 16:53.09 | somiaj | but most things use that for defaults these days |
| 16:53.16 | somiaj | as if kde dose, I'm not sure |
| 16:53.17 | abrotman | grumpyguy: I'm not sure what you need to setup dak for to do that |
| 16:53.23 | qu_ | It defaults to konqueror, but I want to use tor browser. |
| 16:53.48 | grumpyguy | andi also want to create a repo |
| 16:53.52 | qu_ | It's in systemsettings under Default Applications. (KDE) |
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| 16:54.05 | abrotman | grumpyguy: you don't need dak for that |
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| 16:54.28 | grumpyguy | i know, but I also read a bit about how it works |
| 16:54.30 | abrotman | dpkg: tell grumpyguy about reprepro |
| 16:54.33 | qu_ | I should be able to set Default Browser to something like torbrowser %u |
| 16:54.37 | grumpyguy | no, no, no |
| 16:54.40 | grumpyguy | i want to install dak |
| 16:54.45 | abrotman | Okay, good luck. |
| 16:54.45 | jelly-home | cybrNaut: that version is outdated, and has problems eh. getting 1080p streams from youtube |
| 16:54.49 | grumpyguy | please |
| 16:54.59 | grumpyguy | i'm really interested in how it works |
| 16:55.05 | abrotman | then read the code, it's just python |
| 16:55.08 | jelly-home | greenit: oh well, it seems current apt in wheezy broke something that used to work. |
| 16:55.12 | grumpyguy | yes, but i got an error |
| 16:55.12 | jelly-home | greenit: apt-get build-dep youtube-dl=2014.02.17-1 |
| 16:55.16 | grumpyguy | http://paste.debian.net/93524/ |
| 16:55.21 | abrotman | grumpyguy: then read the code, find out why you get the error. |
| 16:55.23 | grumpyguy | i installed some dependencies |
| 16:55.26 | grumpyguy | :( |
| 16:55.31 | abrotman | dpkg: tell grumpyguy about enter |
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| 16:56.12 | greenit | jelly-home, thx, i'll try that if cclive doesn't do what i want :) |
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| 16:56.25 | qu_ | Does anyone know about bash substitution. |
| 16:56.25 | grumpyguy | can you please tell me why i get this error ? |
| 16:56.33 | grumpyguy | and how can i fix it ? |
| 16:56.53 | qu_ | cruxeternus: I can't check your error because of my error. |
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| 16:57.12 | qu_ | (grumpyguy, rather) |
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| 16:57.33 | jelly-home | greenit: I had to backport cclive and quvi libraries before, it was more complex than youtube-dl seems to be |
| 16:57.50 | grumpyguy | ? |
| 16:58.04 | qu_ | No one knows command-line substitution. |
| 16:58.06 | grumpyguy | abrotman: i don't know that well sockets and how they work |
| 16:58.33 | abrotman | grumpyguy: Why do you think you need dak instead of reprepro? |
| 16:58.48 | greenit | jelly-home, yeah, i see that too, i'll try it with your post earlier now, i'll inform you if it worked :) |
| 16:59.00 | abrotman | grumpyguy: if you're telling me you want to use dak because you want to learn, and you don't know sockets, sounds like it's time to learn |
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| 16:59.44 | grumpyguy | well, it really is |
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| 17:01.13 | foetus | (offtopic) updated debian yesterday, wlan connect failure after windows session now fixed, thanks to the developers :) |
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| 17:02.15 | grumpyguy | abrotman: can you please help me ? |
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| 17:03.08 | greenit | jelly-home, thanks, worked fine :) |
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| 17:03.42 | jelly-home | even the build? |
| 17:03.55 | greenit | jelly-home, yeah |
| 17:03.59 | jelly-home | nice |
| 17:04.09 | greenit | jelly-home, no problems at all :) |
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| 17:05.01 | grumpyguy | abrotman: i'm really interested in this piece of software and i'd be more than grateful to receive a bit of help |
| 17:05.54 | grumpyguy | the point is |
| 17:06.04 | greenit | bye and thanks for the help all, special thanks to jelly-home ;) |
| 17:06.05 | grumpyguy | i managed to install it in host os |
| 17:06.10 | grumpyguy | but can't install it in a lxc container |
| 17:06.24 | grumpyguy | i've succesfully configured a virtual bridge to ensure the internet connection, cloned the repo |
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| 17:06.42 | grumpyguy | copied the dak.conf from examples to /etc/dak/ |
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| 17:06.59 | grumpyguy | and when i run ./dak.py |
| 17:07.09 | grumpyguy | i get this - http://paste.debian.net/93524/ |
| 17:08.45 | jelly-home | grumpyguy: does resolving otherwise work in that container? |
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| 17:10.21 | TheQuestionmark | Today I've learned one thing, when it comes to compiling Wine, Wheezy is the most terrrible (Debian) distro I've meet so far... are there any newer versions of Wine in backports? |
| 17:10.23 | abrotman | grumpyguy: lay off the enter key |
| 17:10.39 | grumpyguy | i'm sorry |
| 17:10.49 | grumpyguy | jelly-home: i didn't understand the question |
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| 17:11.29 | ricepooding | hi, running Debian xfce -- any ideas how to start conky automatically? |
| 17:11.35 | jelly-home | grumpyguy: you get a "Name or service not known" error. Either socket.gethostname() or socket.gethostbyaddr() failed with that error |
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| 17:12.07 | jelly-home | grumpyguy: so the question is, can you do forward and reverse lookups in that container at all? |
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| 17:12.53 | jelly-home | grumpyguy: "does DNS work" |
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| 17:13.13 | grumpyguy | i understood the question, but i'm not sure how to check that in a container |
| 17:14.19 | jelly-home | grumpyguy: "getent hosts www.debian.org", "getent hosts some.ip.add.ress" |
| 17:14.23 | grumpyguy | pinging google.com runs well |
| 17:14.41 | grumpyguy | this works well, too |
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| 17:18.22 | grumpyguy | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/93538/ |
| 17:18.43 | grumpyguy | i suspect this output is not how should it be |
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| 17:19.32 | jelly-home | grumpyguy: can that container figure out its own hostname and IP? |
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| 17:21.06 | jelly-home | grumpyguy: in short, figure out which one of the two calls fails and why. |
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| 17:22.14 | grumpyguy | I really tried to |
| 17:22.37 | grumpyguy | the container can figure out his ip, but don't know about hostname |
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| 17:24.44 | jelly-home | grumpyguy: it shouldn't be hard to import the relevant module and try running socket.gethostname() in an interactive python shell? |
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| 17:27.00 | grumpyguy | jelly-home: the second one faisl |
| 17:27.35 | grumpyguy | fails*. here is the output - http://paste.debian.net/93540/ |
| 17:28.05 | jelly-home | grumpyguy: um... you have to give it the correct number of arguments |
| 17:28.15 | grumpyguy | oh, |
| 17:28.36 | jelly-home | grumpyguy: do you know any python at all? |
| 17:29.07 | jelly-home | grumpyguy: do you know how to look up documentation for a module? |
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| 17:31.36 | wols | wonder how soon we get another patch: http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/5.4/common/008_openssl.patch |
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| 17:35.38 | grumpyguy | jelly-home: i know a bit |
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| 17:37.18 | grumpyguy | i managed to get that error only when i introduced a wrong ip adress |
| 17:37.25 | jelly-home | grumpyguy: well, at this point you have some basic debugging to do to figure out whether there's a bug or there's something in your environment that's causing the failure |
| 17:37.45 | multi_io | is there any command in (interactive) aptitude that sets a single package to "install" and changes nothing else, and displays resulting conflicts/"broken" states? |
| 17:37.55 | multi_io | it's not "+" |
| 17:38.32 | multi_io | that changes additional package states, not just the package that you pressed "+" on. |
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| 17:39.17 | multi_io | or is there any other way, i.e. on the command line, to change a single package state to "install"? |
| 17:40.24 | jelly-home | grumpyguy: if socket.gethostname() works, and the "hostname" command works (they do basically the same thing), try to get an IP out of that name with socket.gethostbyaddr("YOURHOSTNAME") and "getent hosts YOURHOSTNAME" command |
| 17:41.01 | adkins | hello, i have this issue: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=293457 i thought i solved it by putting the line SUSPEND_MODULES=“e1000e” to /etc/pm/config.d/modules. but suspend failed again yesterday. in the posted thread someone has a workaround-script. but i think i need to install systemd first. But i`m not sure if all i need to do is installing systemd and creating this script?! does systemd need some further sp |
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| 17:41.26 | jelly-home | grumpyguy: if reverse lookup fails with both socket.gethostbyaddr() and "getent hosts YOURHOSTNAME" command, you probably do not have a valid entry for that machine in /etc/hosts |
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| 17:42.20 | grumpyguy | well, socket.gethostbyaddr("cn-dak") doesn't work ( that's my container's hostname) |
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| 17:42.33 | grumpyguy | and when i call getent hosts cn-dak, i receive no output at all |
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| 17:43.50 | jelly-home | then you know what to check next |
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| 17:44.32 | grumpyguy | thank you, sir |
| 17:44.37 | grumpyguy | http://paste.debian.net/93541/ this is what my /etc/hosts looks like |
| 17:44.47 | jelly-home | !hostname |
| 17:44.49 | dpkg | Use «hostname foo» to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
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| 17:45.51 | jelly-home | grumpyguy: add a line like "ip.ad.re.ss cn-dak.domain.example.org cn-dak" to /etc/hosts |
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| 17:46.51 | grumpyguy | what that ip address should be |
| 17:46.55 | grumpyguy | 127.0.1.1 is ok ? |
| 17:47.04 | grumpyguy | oh, i see |
| 17:47.06 | grumpyguy | for debugging |
| 17:47.08 | jelly-home | the IP address of your container! |
| 17:47.22 | grumpyguy | sorry |
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| 17:47.55 | grumpyguy | the local ip address ? (192.168.0.***) |
| 17:48.06 | jelly-home | yes |
| 17:48.16 | jaggz | how do I downgrade my openssl to the buggy version so I can test the exploit? |
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| 17:48.33 | jelly-home | jaggz: /msg dpkg snapshot |
| 17:49.27 | jloosli | I just did a debian minimal install |
| 17:49.31 | jloosli | server is up and running |
| 17:49.42 | jelly-home | grumpyguy: if you did not have a static IP assigned, 127.0.1.1 would be an option, yes |
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| 17:49.58 | grumpyguy | well, this worked |
| 17:50.02 | grumpyguy | socket.gethostbyaddr('192.168.0.111') ('cn-dak.domain.example.org', ['cn-dak'], ['192.168.0.111']) |
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| 17:50.45 | multi_io | how can it be that "dpkg --get-selections" doesn't display a single package as "hold" after I set absolutely all packages to "hold" in aptitude (by pressing "=" on all packages)? |
| 17:51.05 | jelly-home | grumpyguy: so it works now. Replace domain.example.org with your actual domain used on that local segment, that was just an example |
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| 17:51.10 | jaggz | can aptitude show the date a package was assembled? |
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| 17:51.16 | jaggz | jelly-home: thanks :) |
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| 17:52.00 | jelly-home | multi_io: aptitude and dpkg use different ways to hold; aptitude knows about dpkg hold, but dpkg does not know about aptitude's |
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| 17:52.29 | multi_io | jelly-home: ok, thanks |
| 17:52.31 | jelly-home | multi_io: /msg dpkg hold |
| 17:52.51 | petern_ | Crikey |
| 17:53.00 | multi_io | jelly-home: why does dpkg even concern itself with "hold" states? isn't that apt's job? |
| 17:53.08 | grumpyguy | jelly-home: thank you very much |
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| 17:53.19 | jelly-home | multi_io: hysterical raisins |
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| 17:54.33 | mcurran | I |
| 17:54.52 | taylanub | why is /usr/share/keymaps empty and how can I fill it? trying to install colemak for the ttys |
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| 17:55.51 | jelly-home | grumpyguy: cheers, have a nice day! |
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| 17:56.03 | mcurran | I'm installing httpd from source, and I already symlinked apachectl to /etc/init.d/ and then did update-rc.d defaults for apachectl, then added it's lib directory to /etc/ld.so.conf.d, and now I'm looking for the newest/cleanest method of adding it's binary path to my $PATH, but not sure if I want to edit profile file. |
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| 17:56.21 | grumpyguy | jelly-home: have an awesome day, too! |
| 17:56.27 | mcurran | anyone have any suggestions |
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| 17:57.16 | elichai2 | which tool is best for recover files? |
| 17:57.20 | mcurran | is there a newer path directory similar to /etc/ld.so.conf.d where you can ad LD's to that directory instead of editing LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 17:57.25 | elichai2 | (formatted the partition....) |
| 17:58.16 | RoyK | elichai2: ddrescue and then run recovery |
| 17:58.41 | RoyK | elichai2: just run ddrescue first to get an image of the partition or disk |
| 17:58.46 | jelly-home | RoyK: recovery? |
| 17:59.03 | RoyK | elichai2: it's not easy to recover ext[234], but it may be doable |
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| 17:59.27 | multi_io | jelly-home: is aptitude's "hold" the same as apt's "hold"? |
| 17:59.39 | elichai2 | nope, it's NTFS |
| 17:59.43 | jelly-home | multi_io: I don't know of apt's hold, sorry |
| 17:59.52 | mcurran | yeah and how do you see which packages you held and then unhold them |
| 18:00.03 | jelly-home | mcurran: /msg dpkg hold |
| 18:00.07 | mcurran | thanks |
| 18:00.20 | multi_io | jelly-home: I guess I mean apt-get's hold |
| 18:00.33 | multi_io | apt-get --ignore-hold and stuff |
| 18:00.34 | mcurran | do you know a cleaner method to adding non-conforming bin directories to path in debian, or just add to profile |
| 18:00.44 | multi_io | is that the same hold that you set in aptitude? |
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| 18:00.52 | jelly-home | multi_io: nod, but I still don't know what it does |
| 18:00.56 | elichai2 | RoyK: ? |
| 18:01.20 | taylanub | anyone? |
| 18:01.27 | multi_io | jelly-home: prevents the package from being upgraded, AFAIK |
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| 18:02.05 | jelly-home | multi_io: that's the outcome; I don't know _how_ it does it (whether it uses dpkg-selections or aptitude database) |
| 18:02.19 | RoyK | elichai2: if you messed up the partition table, you'd have to rebuild that somehow. there are tools for that |
| 18:02.20 | multi_io | jelly-home: ah, ok |
| 18:02.34 | RoyK | elichai2: just make an image of the disk before trying anything |
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| 18:02.58 | taylanub | ah, console-data package |
| 18:03.26 | jelly-home | mcurran: even /msg dpkg path says to add to /etc/profile |
| 18:03.28 | jaggz | I don't get it.. what's libssl-0.9.8? I upgraded openssl, but there are no libs in its package, and libssl-0.9.8 doesn't list openssh as relying on it |
| 18:03.33 | jaggz | depending |
| 18:03.46 | jelly-home | jaggz: do you mean libssl0.9.8? |
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| 18:03.58 | jaggz | yeah, sorry |
| 18:03.58 | wols | jelly-home: that on isn't vulnerable |
| 18:04.01 | mcurran | okay thank you. you think i should just add it to root or both user and root |
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| 18:04.49 | taylanub | next quest:any way to make right-alt aka altgr be ctrl on a tty? |
| 18:05.14 | jelly-home | jaggz: it's an openssl package in squeeze and earlier releases. Why? |
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| 18:05.32 | elichai2 | RoyK: nooo, it's not a problem with the partition table |
| 18:05.38 | jaggz | nm /usr/lib/libssl.so.4 says "no symbols" .. |
| 18:05.41 | elichai2 | i just formatted this partition... |
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| 18:05.54 | jaggz | jelly-home: trying to compile the heartbleed exploit and I'm looking for the libraries to link with it |
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| 18:06.00 | elichai2 | (got it into a extended partition) |
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| 18:06.09 | RoyK | mutters something about backup |
| 18:06.13 | jelly-home | jaggz: where did you find /usr/lib/libssl.so.4 on a Debian system? |
| 18:06.23 | jaggz | it's a symlink to 0.9.8 |
| 18:06.39 | jelly-home | jaggz: did you create it manually? |
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| 18:07.17 | elichai2 | any idea? |
| 18:07.17 | jaggz | oh, that might have been due to a legacy software package I had to get working. |
| 18:07.22 | elichai2 | need a tool for recovering files... |
| 18:07.24 | jaggz | good eye, jelly :) |
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| 18:08.43 | mtn | elichai2: google: recover files from ntfs you should find many answers ;) |
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| 18:09.09 | elichai2 | yeah but i need an linux tool |
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| 18:09.20 | mtn | elichai2: ? so? |
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| 18:09.36 | jelly-home | elichai2: do you need a linux tool, or do you need the best tool to recover your files? |
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| 18:10.19 | elichai2 | jelly-home: the best linux tool to recover files from ntfs |
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| 18:10.42 | jelly-home | heh |
| 18:10.42 | mtn | elichai2: so search for that. sounds easy to me |
| 18:10.46 | elichai2 | (but if there is a specific great great tool for windows i can run it from MiniXP) |
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| 18:11.19 | jelly-home | will let ##linux answer elichai2 |
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| 18:11.54 | taylanub | ping |
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| 18:12.13 | jelly-home | taylanub: no response from target |
| 18:12.13 | taylanub | OK, can't post to channels when logged in as root or something ? weird stuff |
| 18:12.32 | taylanub | life is hard when you're migrating sysetms |
| 18:12.39 | taylanub | systems* |
| 18:12.41 | taylanub | at least I'm not typing on a tablet now D: |
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| 18:13.27 | jaggz | how do you list dependency details of a package from commandline? I'm too used to aptitude's ui |
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| 18:13.59 | zykotick9 | jaggz: "apt-cache depends foo" or "apt-cache rdepends foo" depending on the direction you want |
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| 18:14.34 | jloosli | is there a list of the packages that netinst installs after the core system is installed? |
| 18:14.51 | jelly-home | jaggz: for more generic info about a package... installed? "dpkg -s foo" Not installed? "apt-cache show foo" |
| 18:15.05 | jloosli | I had to manually install my network driver to get the network up, and now I want to 'finish' the install |
| 18:15.40 | jelly-home | jloosli: it depends on the tasks chosen |
| 18:15.45 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell jloosli about tasks |
| 18:15.52 | elichai2 | jelly-home: :( |
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| 18:16.06 | jaggz | thanks.. will try those in a second too.. |
| 18:16.12 | mcurran | cleaning up, I noticed that my cuda binaries were never included, nor apr, so I added those to the uid 0 path variable |
| 18:16.14 | FrostyX | Hi guys, I have installed debian to virtualbox. I have installed vboxadditions too. It was ok, cause for example shared clipboard works. What bothers me is fullscreen. I have two black stripes on sides (with best offered resolution). With fedora 19 and 20 or some windows systems I havent this problem. Can you give me some tips pls? |
| 18:16.30 | elichai2 | there is photorec in debian repos? |
| 18:16.38 | elichai2 | dpkg: photorec |
| 18:16.39 | dpkg | PhotoRec is file data recovery software (a companion program to <TestDisk>) designed to recover lost pictures, video, documents and archives from digital camera memory, hard disks and CD-ROMs. Packaged for Debian in testdisk. http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec |
| 18:17.03 | jaggz | when I tried to downgrade libssl1.0.0 from 1.0.1e-2+deb7u6 to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u4, aptitude wants to remove a lot of packages |
| 18:17.06 | elichai2 | ohh lol, it's under testdisk... |
| 18:17.17 | jaggz | hmm.. I broke something somewhere |
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| 18:18.00 | jaggz | I got a lot of broken packages.. that's why.. grr |
| 18:18.26 | jaggz | damn.. |
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| 18:18.43 | jloosli | jaggz, I've never had good luck downgrading packages |
| 18:19.00 | elichai2 | photorec recover structer too? |
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| 18:19.53 | mcurran | anyone have any idea why my PATH is not updating after adding /usr/local/*/bin directories in /etc/profile? |
| 18:20.10 | zykotick9 | elichai2: ahhh, photorec doesn't even recover names of the files (that info is lost upon deletion) |
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| 18:20.32 | mcurran | for instance I just added /usr/local/cuda-6.0/bin and nothing from that directory is executable or found when trying to run as root. |
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| 18:20.35 | jaggz | yeah.. now I broke a lot.. grr |
| 18:20.48 | mcurran | i did ldconfig and updatedb |
| 18:20.59 | elichai2 | zykotick9: seriously? |
| 18:21.23 | jaggz | not reversing it properly either.. even with putting libssl1.0.0 and openssl back to the current version (+ on the most recent version.. - on the forced older version) |
| 18:21.26 | elichai2 | but i didn't deleted them, just reformatted the partition(from ntfs to ntfs lol) |
| 18:21.29 | zykotick9 | elichai2: try it and see |
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| 18:22.55 | elichai2 | yeah i see now :( |
| 18:23.11 | elichai2 | any more normal tool? |
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| 18:23.28 | jaggz | man.. how do I just reset this so the packages are at their recommended current versions? |
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| 18:24.14 | jelly-home | mcurran: the manual for your shell will tell you about "hash -r" or "rehash" commands, used to reread the contents of PATH in already running shells |
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| 18:24.52 | jaggz | ACK.. I hit g in the wrong screen.. it's removing everything |
| 18:24.57 | jaggz | can't ctrl c |
| 18:24.58 | wols | jaggz: so you did try to replace libssl1.0.1e with 0.9.8 or what? |
| 18:25.01 | jelly-home | mcurran: also, /etc/profile is only read when a shell is started (eg. after you log on again) |
| 18:25.01 | mcurran | okay thank you. yeah, because defining the path manually works (obviously) |
| 18:25.20 | jaggz | kills aptitude |
| 18:25.29 | jaggz | crikey |
| 18:25.37 | mcurran | figured it was that. |
| 18:25.51 | jelly-home | jaggz: you can thank apt developers for that "let's ignore ^C" feature |
| 18:26.15 | jaggz | boggles |
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| 18:29.13 | tucow | Just in case someone didn't see it yet and is interested in it, the campaign is still running for 37h: http://beagleboard.org/blog/2014-04-07-project_spotlight_shield_io/ |
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| 18:33.54 | jaggz | thanks apt developers |
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| 18:34.54 | jaggz | there was only ONE memory-leak bug in openssl? :} |
| 18:34.55 | jelly-home | thapts |
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| 18:37.20 | jelly-home | tucow: presumably the people interested will hang out in arduino, beaglebone or arm channels not #debian :-( |
| 18:38.06 | tucow | i'm there too thanks for the advice but i thought since debian runs on the bbb maybe someone could be interested (: |
| 18:38.09 | elichai2 | i formated a partition with gparted(from primary to logical) and i want to restore the content, it is possible?(it's ntfs) |
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| 18:41.15 | undecided | hi |
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| 18:44.00 | taylanub | when I uninstall a package and reinstall it, why does its config file in /etc not get back ? |
| 18:44.10 | taylanub | or am I dreaming things ? |
| 18:44.33 | jelly-home | taylanub: it won't come back unless you explicitely purged the package it came with |
| 18:44.42 | jelly-home | taylanub: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 18:44.51 | taylanub | how can it even know that I removed the file ?.. |
| 18:45.02 | jelly-home | it knows EVERYTHING :-D |
| 18:45.16 | taylanub | no really though, how ? |
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| 18:45.29 | ScottE | friendly-coders |
| 18:45.29 | taylanub | well ok, upon removal, I guess |
| 18:45.43 | jelly-home | package metadata contains a list of files and conffiles |
| 18:45.45 | taylanub | ScottE: ? |
| 18:45.52 | undecided | hi maybe you can help |
| 18:45.57 | turtlethumper | that' shield seems really simple, no need for crowd funding |
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| 18:46.22 | ScottE | taylanub: ignore, reconnecting my client and this went to the wrong buffer |
| 18:46.26 | turtlethumper | unless they are going to add libraries for the popular arduino shields |
| 18:46.29 | undecided | I've installed Google-chrome browser from its deb pacage and everything went OK |
| 18:46.51 | undecided | however when i run it i'm getting this error: |
| 18:47.04 | undecided | PID namespaces supported Network namespace supportedbut failed: errno = Operation not permitted |
| 18:47.16 | undecided | why is that? |
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| 18:47.56 | jelly-home | undecided: are you running debian in a container of some sort? Which debian release are you using? |
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| 18:48.30 | undecided | jelly-home: yes its an openvz vps debian7 64 bit |
| 18:48.55 | undecided | I did it succesfully before on another vps (kvm) |
| 18:49.10 | undecided | and now same process doesn't work |
| 18:49.15 | jelly-home | well, openvz behaves differently from kvm |
| 18:49.37 | undecided | so what does that error mean? |
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| 18:50.04 | jelly-home | you'll have to ask google and/or openvz people |
| 18:50.42 | undecided | google no help here |
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| 18:50.53 | undecided | and i'm not yet sure it's openvz problem |
| 18:50.57 | jelly-home | I mean google-chrome developers. |
| 18:51.10 | undecided | hmm |
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| 18:52.17 | jelly-home | undecided: is this -stable or -beta build? |
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| 18:53.05 | undecided | jelly-home: it's stable |
| 18:53.07 | jelly-home | if you can reproduce it in chromium, you can file a bug for it in Debian |
| 18:53.53 | undecided | well |
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| 18:54.17 | undecided | since I google that error without any meaningful result |
| 18:54.45 | undecided | not sure it's a bug |
| 18:55.08 | undecided | maybe something on my system i should be aware of |
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| 18:55.41 | jelly-home | yes, be aware you're using openvz and it deals with namespaces for its own ends |
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| 19:02.27 | multi_io | how do I change a single package's apt selection state from "hold" to "install" without doing anything else? |
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| 19:02.42 | Nothing4You | i'm trying to report a bug with `reportbug` |
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| 19:03.06 | Nothing4You | > Please enter the version of the package this report applies to (blank OK) |
| 19:03.19 | Nothing4You | how would i specify all versions currently in the repos? |
| 19:03.35 | S4nD3r | Please. I don't know how to mount an USB harddrive automatically (ntfs) in wheezy. |
| 19:03.52 | multi_io | it's not dpkg --set-selections (that changes the package's dpkg selection state, which I just learning is something different), and it's not pressing "+" in aptitude (that may change more than just that one package) |
| 19:03.55 | S4nD3r | This error: Unprivileged user can not mount NTFS block devices using the external FUSE library. |
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| 19:05.28 | S4nD3r | I'll try a tutorial from howtoadvice.com |
| 19:05.31 | S4nD3r | back later |
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| 19:05.46 | SynrG | ... |
| 19:05.52 | SynrG | skittish |
| 19:05.58 | Artemis3 | i bet group |
| 19:06.11 | tremon | multi_io: if aptitude does more than just selecting that package, that's probably due to missing dependencies. Trying to fight apt on that will not get you anywhere |
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| 19:07.17 | multi_io | tremon: yeah, it's probably due to missing dependencies (indirectly), but I want to be able to see and track those |
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| 19:10.05 | tremon | I'm not sure what you mean with "see and track". aptitude has -D, -V and -v command line options to explain more why it's doing stuff, but I'm not sure that applies to the curses interface as well |
| 19:10.09 | multi_io | my immediate issue is, I'm changing libglib2.0-dev from "hold" to "install" in aptitude, and it somehow (among other things) changes libncursesw5 to install. I want to be able to understand how that happened. It's not a direct dependency. |
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| 19:10.54 | tremon | ah. then try aptitude why libglib2.0-dev libncursesw5 |
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| 19:12.00 | S4nD3r | how to solve it? Mount is denied because setuid and setgid root ntfs-3g is insecure with the external FUSE library. |
| 19:12.37 | tremon | be aware that aptitude why is a simple tool (in all senses), it will only show you one possible path and not always the most logical (or strongest -- it might choose a shorter recommends path over a longer depends path iirc) |
| 19:12.51 | multi_io | tremon: thanks, I didn't know that |
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| 19:13.08 | S4nD3r | I followed this tips http://www.howtoadvice.com/2014/03/08/how-to-permanently-mount-an-ntfs-external-hard-drive-to-a-linux-server/ |
| 19:13.54 | multi_io | yeah, I'd still like to have a mode in which aptitude only does what was requested directly, e.g. set libglib2.0-dev to install, and change nothing else, and show the resulting conflicts. |
| 19:14.37 | tremon | that path is available for you manually, e.g. apt-get download, dpkg -i, apt-get install -f (or aptitude -f install) |
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| 19:15.35 | tremon | but I don't think it's in the tool as it makes it possible to leave apt's view of the system inconsistent |
| 19:16.12 | multi_io | how so? |
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| 19:16.43 | multi_io | I don't want to force-install anything, I just want to make one metadata change and see the conflicts |
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| 19:17.21 | cato | Hi, I am thinking of submitting icecast2 to the backports, is anyone here who is maintaining icecast2 packages? |
| 19:17.37 | tremon | I don't think apt makes a distinction between intent-to-install and installed. In both cases it requires the entire dependency graph to be satisfied |
| 19:17.40 | multi_io | aptitude (and apt-get) always "intelligently" figure out 27 other metadata changes that might be desirable and perform those too. |
| 19:17.56 | tremon | yeah, emphasis in intelligently ;) |
| 19:18.00 | tremon | s/in/on/ |
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| 19:19.01 | multi_io | well, aptitude certainly does make a distinction between intent-to-install and installed. |
| 19:20.40 | multi_io | (I'm never certain which of {dpkg,apt,aptitude} keeps which metadata) |
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| 19:21.02 | Kuba | hey |
| 19:21.04 | Kuba | anyone knows a good read on linux routing? :) |
| 19:21.16 | S4nD3r | no help to mount ntfs usb hdd |
| 19:21.19 | S4nD3r | ? |
| 19:22.06 | tremon | well as I said, I'm not too familiar with aptitude's curses interface. What you're asking for may be there, or not. I usually don't get much further than aptitude -svVWD install $pkg |
| 19:23.22 | wols | !tell S4nD3r about user accessible ntfs |
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| 19:28.04 | damarusama | to setup a sftp, I don't need a ftp server right? I can do it all with openssh-server? |
| 19:28.35 | Nothing4You | right |
| 19:28.39 | Nothing4You | sftp has nothing to do with ftp |
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| 19:28.45 | Nothing4You | sftp utilizes ssh |
| 19:29.08 | damarusama | kool |
| 19:29.30 | damarusama | and if I am able to ssh into my server, would sftp alreay work from these settings? |
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| 19:29.43 | Nothing4You | most likely |
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| 19:30.29 | NiLon | damarusama just don't confuse it to ftps |
| 19:31.15 | damarusama | yeah I think I can't use sftp to setup a php admin panel that need ftp information... |
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| 19:31.25 | damarusama | that's were my confusion is |
| 19:31.46 | damarusama | ftps seems like another layer to setup, which I am not sure I want to go trough... |
| 19:31.58 | Nothing4You | ftps is ftp + ssl |
| 19:32.08 | Nothing4You | sftp is no ftp but ssh |
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| 19:32.31 | damarusama | yep - sftp won't work in this situation I thinkg |
| 19:33.27 | NiLon | simple systems might handle ftp(s) only |
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| 19:33.53 | Nothing4You | i've never seen ftps used yet |
| 19:33.55 | damarusama | NiLon: yeah I and wouldn't want to have a ftp server sitting there just for updates |
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| 19:34.41 | NiLon | you could make it so that server launches when it's needed |
| 19:34.48 | ivanshmakov | JFTR, my own personal preference would be Rsync-over-SSH, /not/ SFTP (over the very same SSH.) |
| 19:34.53 | b0t | hi, how to install atheme services in debian??? |
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| 19:37.38 | multi_io | tremon: why does dpkg concern itself with things like the "hold" state of packages; shouldn't that be apt's job? Why does dpkg even know anything about uninstalled packages? |
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| 19:38.50 | tremon | multi_io: because of dselect, I guess. I'm not up to speed on the history of 20 years of dpkg |
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| 19:39.32 | b0t | hi, how to install atheme services in debian??? |
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| 19:41.56 | eurobit | hello - is there an original xmodmap? |
| 19:42.12 | nmschulte | Hi all. I want to install some proprietary software on Debian, but it requires me to run the installer as root. How should I go about installing this? |
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| 19:43.08 | b0t | not like using debian, someone help me? I want to install this: |
| 19:43.15 | b0t | git clone https://github.com/atheme/atheme.git |
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| 19:43.25 | tremon | nmschulte: try running it under fakeroot, or possibly in a wheezy chroot |
| 19:43.29 | b0t | thell my the commands |
| 19:43.37 | jelly-home | nmschulte: uh... be root? |
| 19:44.01 | jelly-home | hopes it's not gpu drivers |
| 19:44.28 | tremon | hopes it's some random small vendor's usb tooling |
| 19:44.41 | tremon | argh. *not* |
| 19:45.03 | nmschulte | It's Microchip's MPLABX IDE and C compiler. |
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| 19:46.02 | tremon | I'm a bit surprised they don't have an option for installing to ~ |
| 19:46.12 | nmschulte | Perhaps they do, I will check. |
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| 19:46.20 | nmschulte | I was asking for a more general answer. |
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| 19:46.55 | regnirps | Running configure for OpenOCD I get en error missing libusb_1.x apt-get says I have the latest installed 1.0-0 Problem with $PATH? |
| 19:47.05 | jelly-home | a chroot environment is a sane option if you wish to keep your OS clean of random cruft |
| 19:47.33 | tremon | regnirps: or missing -dev package |
| 19:47.36 | wols | regnirps: you gerneally need the -dev for when ./configure looks for something, not just the library itself |
| 19:47.55 | regnirps | I installed the -dev usblib |
| 19:48.05 | wols | regnirps: libusb-1.0-0-dev for example |
| 19:48.24 | regnirps | Were does apt put it? |
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| 19:49.03 | jelly-home | regnirps: dpkg -L packagename will tell you about its contents |
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| 19:50.31 | eurobit | where does debian get it's original xmodmap |
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| 19:53.03 | nkuttler | eurobit: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:53.22 | eurobit | i screwed up the mapping with xmodmap -e |
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| 19:54.03 | eurobit | up arrow etc - but it all works in tty but not xterm |
| 19:54.24 | tremon | doesn't xmodmap -e just write to your homedir? (~.xmodmap?). You might just be able to remove/edit that file |
| 19:54.38 | eurobit | defkeymap is for tty but can't find the original for X |
| 19:55.35 | eurobit | no .xmodmap - the -e overwrites what comes out of xmodmap -pke |
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| 19:56.02 | S4nD3r | I'd like to use USB HDD ntfs, how to mount it ? |
| 19:56.44 | nmschulte | S4nD3r: with mount? |
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| 19:57.04 | wols | S4nD3r: show the channel your fstab line you already have for it and what error if any you get if you try to use it |
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| 19:57.41 | S4nD3r | I'd like to mount when plug it |
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| 19:58.46 | S4nD3r | I guess this is not done in fstab, is it? |
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| 19:59.14 | wols | genereally not |
| 19:59.36 | wols | !tell S4nD3r about automount |
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| 20:00.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | automount? |
| 20:00.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | .... |
| 20:00.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | 0_0 nifty! |
| 20:00.25 | S4nD3r | automount or hal |
| 20:00.27 | S4nD3r | i guess |
| 20:00.40 | S4nD3r | I will search about it |
| 20:00.44 | S4nD3r | back soon |
| 20:01.05 | jaggz | how do I fix my broken packages now? I downgraded something (libssl) but apparently that was a mistake |
| 20:01.24 | jaggz | made a few forced + and -'s in aptitude trying to fix it.. |
| 20:01.31 | jaggz | I don't mind making everything go to the current versions |
| 20:01.41 | mjt | on most GUIs this mounting is done automatically. Instead, the problem is opposite - how to STOP the system from mounting stuff |
| 20:01.48 | mjt | automount has nothing to do with this |
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| 20:01.57 | mjt | and hal is dead for several years already |
| 20:02.05 | jaggz | hal was awful |
| 20:02.06 | mjt | that hal anyway |
| 20:02.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.10 | nmschulte | S4nD3r: Are you using a Desktop environment? |
| 20:02.26 | nmschulte | Probably GNOME 3> |
| 20:02.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | ah, well so how do u get drives to auto mount when you login ? something in the desktop enviroment? |
| 20:02.39 | jaggz | maybe a bug, but I often found it way up in 'top' |
| 20:03.04 | jaggz | so.. need to fix my broken packages.. lots are showing broken with unsatisfied dependencies, yet I can't seem to satisfy them |
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| 20:03.20 | jaggz | I'm just not good enough for it. |
| 20:03.26 | mjt | hal in `top'? what's that? |
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| 20:07.46 | S4nD3r | Yes |
| 20:07.48 | S4nD3r | Gnome |
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| 20:08.07 | S4nD3r | I just would like to have USB HDD mounted when plugged |
| 20:08.20 | S4nD3r | I didn't get it |
| 20:08.22 | S4nD3r | using fstab |
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| 20:11.04 | S4nD3r | How do I ask to dpkg ? |
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| 20:11.25 | SynrG | /query dpkg |
| 20:11.34 | SynrG | then just type whatever words (without any !) you want |
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| 20:11.49 | nmschulte | Thanks all; fakeroot seemed to work fine. |
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| 20:12.26 | SynrG | S4nD3r: it's usually more efficient to search through the wiki when you're not sure what you want ... |
| 20:12.31 | petern_ | S4nD3r, don't need anything in fstab, just make sure you're in the right groups. |
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| 20:12.54 | S4nD3r | I'm in fuse and plugdev groups |
| 20:13.10 | SynrG | i don't think groups is the answer. |
| 20:13.19 | SynrG | unix groups were pre-policykit |
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| 20:15.18 | S4nD3r | look it |
| 20:15.20 | S4nD3r | Mount is denied because setuid and setgid root ntfs-3g is insecure with the external FUSE library. |
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| 20:17.24 | SynrG | where did you learn that? |
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| 20:18.25 | sakimoon | we did it we got more users that ubuntu |
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| 20:20.23 | S4nD3r | 0.o |
| 20:20.48 | jelly-home | SynrG: it's what /usr/bin/ntfs-3g complains about if you try to make it setuid and use it to mount stuff as user |
| 20:21.10 | SynrG | ah |
| 20:21.11 | jelly-home | sorry, it's in /bin |
| 20:21.22 | jelly-home | used to work in squeeze or so |
| 20:21.26 | SynrG | honestly, i've never tried automounting ntfs, so i have no answers here |
| 20:22.45 | S4nD3r | it's wheezy |
| 20:22.54 | S4nD3r | I 'll try to install usbmount |
| 20:23.45 | S4nD3r | ready! |
| 20:23.57 | S4nD3r | Just installing usbmount! |
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| 20:24.42 | SynrG | so, #631504 apparently |
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| 20:25.41 | S4nD3r | Thanks |
| 20:25.43 | S4nD3r | Bye! |
| 20:26.01 | sadtaco | I can't figure out why port 443 is being blocked remotely. I can curl localhost:443 fine from the server. iptables: http://pastebin.com/PjMEdv68 I'm using Amazon EC2 and I just opened up port 443 on the security group, so that's not it. |
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| 20:27.04 | eb0t | hey i started to watch a video and then the resolution on my pc changed |
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| 20:27.22 | eb0t | i went to systems displays and the resolution my machine used to run at is no longer there |
| 20:27.26 | eb0t | any ideas |
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| 20:28.44 | mrkie | ;) |
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| 20:30.28 | MrGrymReaper | Hello. |
| 20:31.36 | MrGrymReaper | Hello everyone. |
| 20:31.50 | centrx | Hello |
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| 20:33.17 | MrGrymReaper | I have been searching for a SheepShaver package on the Debian Repository. |
| 20:34.25 | MrGrymReaper | Unfortunately I have been unsuccesful do anyone know whether one could be provided on the main repository. |
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| 20:34.34 | sadtaco | port state service "443/tcp filtered https". So.. it's filtered? Is something wrong with these iptables rules? http://pastebin.com/PjMEdv68 |
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| 20:35.54 | centrx | MrGrymReaper, Looks like it is not in the Debian repositories. You might be able to use qemu: "QEMU is a fast processor emulator: currently the package supports...PowerPC, SH4, |
| 20:35.54 | centrx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:36.41 | sharefree | my heart is bleeding |
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| 20:37.45 | MrGrymReaper | Is it possible for QEmu to work with MacOS 7.5.3 or does it have to be Mac OS 9.0 (PPC)? |
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| 20:38.23 | MrGrymReaper | Alternatively could a SheepShaver package be provided for the Debian respository please? |
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| 20:39.20 | sadtaco | filtered in nmap means iptables or something is blocking the port, right? |
| 20:39.21 | centrx | MrGrymReaper, You can make an RFP |
| 20:39.52 | MrGrymReaper | What does RFP mean please? |
| 20:40.03 | centrx | MrGrymReaper, qemu emulates the hardware, so it should work on any version of the OS |
| 20:40.22 | centrx | MrGrymReaper, RFP: https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ |
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| 20:41.28 | sadtaco | Oh I see the problem. Nvm. |
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| 20:42.40 | mrkie | pfff, 45 mins left until i have debian-7.4.0-i386-DVD-1.iso |
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| 20:42.55 | centrx | mrkie, Use net install instead? |
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| 20:43.46 | mrkie | centrx: next time i will do that |
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| 20:45.05 | mrkie | centrx: do you like the net install more? |
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| 20:48.14 | eb0t | right got my resolution back |
| 20:48.16 | eb0t | phew |
| 20:48.22 | eb0t | that was a close shave |
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| 20:51.19 | centrx | mrkie, I always use the net install |
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| 20:51.37 | centrx | mrkie, Downloading DVD/CD is downloading a lot of software you never install |
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| 20:53.00 | mrkie | centrx: i agree with that |
| 20:55.05 | bertrik | centrx: how would you install unstable? What I did at first was get the minimal stable image, install the stuff I need, then upgrade to unstable. I should have thought that through, because a lot of stuff got downloaded that would be upgraded later anyway, and installation took ages. |
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| 20:56.15 | bertrik | my final approach was to install stable, upgrade to unstable as soon as possible and only then install the other stuff I need (like desktop packages) |
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| 20:59.03 | wols | bertrik: that's the "proper" way |
| 21:00.15 | centrx | bertrik, That is the way. Upgrade to unstable as early as possible to avoid downloading and installing unnecessary packages |
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| 21:00.40 | centrx | !testing installer |
| 21:00.40 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 21:02.34 | astralnebula | howdy y'all! i have a question about updating my grub menu. anyones help is appreciated. I have multi OS on their own partitions, everything runs great except i have to edit one of the grub entries every time i boot that particular selection |
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| 21:02.55 | petn-randall | astralnebula: What do you have to fix? |
| 21:02.56 | astralnebula | i want to fix this typo, and make the change take effect |
| 21:03.10 | astralnebula | UUID=1234567 should be UUID=9876543 |
| 21:03.12 | astralnebula | basically |
| 21:03.38 | petn-randall | astralnebula: So it's the Debian boot entry? You should be able to edit it in /etc/default/grub. Run 'update-grub' after that. |
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| 21:03.57 | astralnebula | thank you much. |
| 21:04.37 | astralnebula | so its not the debian boot entry thats messed up.. its an arch distro, and it doesnt have update-grub |
| 21:04.46 | astralnebula | i know im in #debian. |
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| 21:06.12 | astralnebula | im trying it anyways |
| 21:06.33 | astralnebula | and do u mean grub-update? |
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| 21:06.43 | mtn | astralnebula: arch has an excellent wiki, with a grub section, too |
| 21:07.35 | astralnebula | thanks |
| 21:10.10 | astralnebula | so when I run update-grub on debian, it should update the main grub on the MBR , with the new info from all my OS's? |
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| 21:10.43 | mtn | astralnebula: no |
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| 21:11.21 | mtn | astralnebula: you would need to run the grub-install command, to write it to the mbr |
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| 21:11.56 | astralnebula | so grub-mkconfig , then grub-update, then grub-install |
| 21:12.12 | astralnebula | grub install /dev/sda (which is my harddrive with all my OS on it) |
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| 21:14.49 | astralnebula | and can i be on my sda5 partition ( in debian, not live) while doing the grub install? or should i go live cd |
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| 21:17.02 | _2_Akisha | Hi |
| 21:17.22 | _2_Akisha | :) |
| 21:17.25 | astralnebula | okay im trying it. later! :) |
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| 21:18.06 | astralnebula | wish me luck :) |
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| 21:18.39 | yokel | is it safe to remove/disable consolekit daemon? If yes, how? It spawns a bunch of threads "console-kit-daemon" |
| 21:18.46 | armin | hm, i'm just asking myself if i could use a key grabber (xbindkeys for example) so that when a user has not logged in via the desktop manager yet it is already present and executes an xrandr script to switch outputs when a key binding is hit. anyone an idea? |
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| 21:28.14 | Baka | Hello |
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| 21:29.02 | astralnebula | hey thanks a bunch it totally worked and did not clear my hard drive ( worst case scenario?) the commands i used was: sudo grub-mkconfig; sudo update-grub; sudo grub-install |
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| 21:54.42 | SynrG | yes |
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| 21:54.51 | sbuddht | SynrG: and which is it? |
| 21:55.01 | SynrG | sbuddht: #debian-boot @ irc.oftc.net |
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| 21:55.13 | sbuddht | SynrG: thanks |
| 21:55.27 | SynrG | sbuddht: it's not a question we could answer here? |
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| 21:55.52 | mrkie | ;) |
| 21:55.56 | sbuddht | SynrG: i need to know the exact parameters which partman passes to mkfs.ext4 |
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| 21:56.36 | nmschulte | Hi all, I'm having trouble setting up a udev rule for a USB device. I want to change ownership to allow any user read/write access. |
| 21:56.56 | SynrG | sbuddht: i guess check out the source and see, then |
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| 21:57.14 | nmschulte | presently I have this in /dev/udev/rules.d/26-microchip.rules: SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="04d8", ATTR{idProduct}=="0033", MODE="0666" |
| 21:57.17 | sbuddht | SynrG: its large ... |
| 21:57.25 | nmschulte | I've restarted udev, but it doesn't seem to apply my mode setting. |
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| 21:59.18 | tarfag | hello guys... new to Debian here |
| 21:59.30 | tarfag | i was wondering if you guys could help me out with a wifi install very quick |
| 22:00.02 | viccuad | tarfag: what's the problem? |
| 22:00.14 | tarfag | well i know basic UNIX, but i never touched linux before |
| 22:01.04 | tarfag | i did quick lspci | grep Network |
| 22:01.06 | tarfag | and turns out I have |
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| 22:01.14 | average | tarfag: so you want to do a netinstall over wifi ? |
| 22:01.19 | average | tarfag: is that the question ? |
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| 22:01.34 | tarfag | no i dont have wifi installed on my debian yet |
| 22:01.39 | tarfag | im trying to figure out how to install it |
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| 22:02.12 | average | tarfag: you need an .iso written to CD/DVD/USB-stick, there are more ways of installing Debian than just those. I only mentioned the ones I think are most commonly used |
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| 22:02.32 | tarfag | i have this file downloaded called hybrid-v35_64-nodebug-pcoem-6_30_223_141.tar.gz |
| 22:02.40 | mtn | tarfag: if you already have debian installed: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 22:02.50 | tarfag | mtn im looking over it right now |
| 22:02.55 | tarfag | im wondering what to do with that file |
| 22:03.00 | tarfag | apparently thats the driver |
| 22:03.02 | mtn | tarfag: what wifi chip? |
| 22:03.19 | tarfag | Atheroes Comm Inc AR9565 |
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| 22:05.06 | tarfag | http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php |
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| 22:05.13 | tarfag | would that be the link to grab the driver? |
| 22:05.20 | mtn | tarfag: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=107377 |
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| 22:06.06 | tarfag | ah thanks let me look through that very quick mtn |
| 22:06.11 | mtn | tarfag: looks like you need a kernel from backports, according to the forum. |
| 22:06.22 | tarfag | sorry what does that mean |
| 22:06.24 | JasonWoof1 | wine just changed the resolution of my screen, despite having "emulate virtual desktop" set in winecfg. |
| 22:06.35 | JasonWoof1 | how do I change my resolution? (I'm not running a desktop env) |
| 22:06.53 | SynrG | !tell tarfag about bpo kernel |
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| 22:07.26 | tarfag | ah |
| 22:07.32 | tarfag | so run this command right - aptitude -t wheezy-backports install |
| 22:07.43 | JasonWoof1 | nm, found xrandr -s 0 |
| 22:08.03 | SynrG | tarfag: well, you need wheezy-backports in your sources.list first |
| 22:08.24 | viccuad | !tell viccuad about bpo kernel |
| 22:08.26 | tarfag | ahhh i have no idea what any of that means |
| 22:08.31 | SynrG | !tell tarfag about wheezy-backports |
| 22:08.48 | SynrG | tarfag: everything should be in the two factoids i had dpkg bot send you. if you still don't understand some part of it, ask ... |
| 22:09.09 | tarfag | SynrG thank you i really have no idea how linux works |
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| 22:10.04 | tarfag | so i need wheezy-backports |
| 22:10.25 | tarfag | but i need add couple lines into my soruces.list? |
| 22:10.27 | tarfag | where can i find that |
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| 22:10.53 | SynrG | tarfag: did you notice the other window? |
| 22:11.16 | SynrG | tarfag: oh, sources.list, yes. /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:12.13 | tarfag | ah thank you i have sofrware sources open now |
| 22:12.17 | viccuad | dpkg |
| 22:12.44 | SynrG | tarfag: so add that, then apt-get update, then install the kernel from backports as per the other factoid. |
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| 22:14.03 | tarfag | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main |
| 22:14.05 | tarfag | right? |
| 22:14.09 | tarfag | why is there 2 http, just wondering? |
| 22:14.25 | SynrG | first is the protocol as usual. second is just part of the domain name |
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| 22:15.24 | SynrG | specifically, http.debian.net is an 'http redirector', which selects an appropriate mirror wherever you are. |
| 22:15.25 | tarfag | its read only... ehhh |
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| 22:15.38 | tarfag | ah i see.. that makes snese |
| 22:15.42 | SynrG | tarfag: you didn't edit it as root? |
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| 22:17.05 | tarfag | doing it right now.. idk why i cant use arrows on vi |
| 22:17.24 | tarfag | it just prints out B/C random stuff |
| 22:17.27 | viccuad | tarfag: use hjkl |
| 22:17.32 | viccuad | but arrows should work |
| 22:17.49 | tarfag | how could i reconfigure it to arrows viccuad, thanks in advance |
| 22:17.56 | viccuad | no idea |
| 22:18.02 | SynrG | terminal type problem i think |
| 22:18.06 | viccuad | do you know how to use vi? |
| 22:18.17 | viccuad | if not, use nano, or gedit |
| 22:18.27 | tarfag | how do i sudo root using the gui |
| 22:18.31 | peterS | arrow keys always kinda struck me as missing the point of vi. But, yeah, that's probably just me. |
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| 22:19.14 | viccuad | tarfag: open a terminal, then, for editing the sources.list, type the command "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" |
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| 22:19.45 | kremlin- | hi -- does anyone know of a UEFI-bootable linux image that supports a simple WM? i need to boot and use gparted like once and gparted-live isn't UEFI |
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| 22:20.04 | tarfag | ahhh |
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| 22:20.06 | tarfag | got it |
| 22:20.15 | tarfag | ok SynrG now what =) |
| 22:20.41 | SynrG | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.42 | SynrG | bbiaf |
| 22:20.50 | tarfag | ok ill try my best, thanks |
| 22:20.56 | viccuad | tarfag: in what part are you now |
| 22:20.57 | SynrG | (but do re-read the couple of factoids i sent) |
| 22:21.02 | tarfag | i will |
| 22:21.04 | viccuad | what have you accomplished |
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| 22:21.52 | tarfag | one second its telling me malformed line in sources.list |
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| 22:24.08 | tarfag | hmm Malformed line 17 in source list dist parse |
| 22:24.26 | tarfag | line 17 - deb http://http.debian.net/debian/wheezy-backports main |
| 22:25.07 | peterS | hmmm, 90 minutes to decide whether I care who is DPL |
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| 22:25.50 | viscera | how can i get apt-get to tell me WHY a package "is not going to be installed" due to "unmet dependencies"? ie. WHICH deps are you talking about, apt? |
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| 22:26.09 | SynrG | peterS: of course you do ... |
| 22:26.22 | viccuad | tarfag, shouldn't it be "deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main " |
| 22:26.43 | peterS | SynrG: well, to clarify, I have to decide whether one of the two quite strong candidates is preferable to me |
| 22:27.15 | SynrG | peterS: yup :) ... just go with your gut |
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| 22:27.42 | tarfag | ah viccuad got it |
| 22:27.55 | tarfag | i think i have it now |
| 22:27.59 | tarfag | some index files failed to download |
| 22:28.26 | tarfag | how is wheezy-backports related to my wifi driver again? |
| 22:28.32 | SynrG | tarfag: sounds like you have one of your lines in there not quite right |
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| 22:28.45 | tarfag | SynrG i fixed it i think its the # |
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| 22:28.46 | tarfag | on top |
| 22:28.47 | SynrG | tarfag: put your sources.list at paste.debian.net for us to see? |
| 22:29.04 | tarfag | It's fixed, I just ran apt-get update |
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| 22:29.09 | SynrG | k |
| 22:29.09 | tarfag | and mostly downloaded, except couple i think |
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| 22:29.25 | tarfag | ok... |
| 22:29.32 | tarfag | could you kindly give me a hint on the next step |
| 22:29.33 | SynrG | tarfag: well, if you're still getting errors for some, we can help if we have a look |
| 22:29.40 | tarfag | ill try my best googling the answers first |
| 22:29.46 | SynrG | tarfag: or did they finish this time without errors? |
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| 22:30.05 | tarfag | apt-get update worked |
| 22:30.11 | tarfag | but heres some errors |
| 22:30.16 | SynrG | tarfag: after a successful apt-get update, just apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64 (assuming that's your current kernel flavour) |
| 22:30.24 | taylanub | how do I get a list of manually installed packages ? |
| 22:30.47 | SynrG | tarfag: 64-bit? |
| 22:30.56 | tarfag | ok running that command |
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| 22:31.15 | tarfag | The value wheezy-backports is invalid for APT:: defailt-release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 22:31.21 | tarfag | yes 64 bit i think |
| 22:31.34 | tarfag | i know the cpu supports 64 bit, not sure which debian i installed |
| 22:32.43 | viccuad | taylanub: aptitude search '~i !~M' |
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| 22:33.29 | taylanub | that seems to have a lot more .. maybe "manual" is the wrong term, isn't there something to list what I installed myself with "apt-get install" ? |
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| 22:34.28 | viccuad | taylanub: apt-mark showmanual |
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| 22:34.38 | viccuad | I'm not sure about that one though |
| 22:35.23 | PryMar56 | taylanub, grep Comm /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 22:35.25 | taylanub | it's the same with that one, lots of stuff I didn't really install myself (excluding the base Debian installation) |
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| 22:35.47 | tarfag | ok I got it |
| 22:35.55 | tarfag | turns out it shouldnt be http, it should be ftp |
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| 22:36.00 | viccuad | taylanub: remember that if something was already present, and you did 'apt-get install something', the package and its dependences get markes as "manuall installed" |
| 22:36.02 | tarfag | now its installing 144 mb of data |
| 22:36.05 | tarfag | am i doing this right? |
| 22:36.06 | taylanub | PryMar56: haha, thanks .. but I seriously can hardly believe that dpkg/apt don't have something for this. |
| 22:36.25 | taylanub | viccuad: why in the heavens would its *dependencies* get marked as a manual installation ? |
| 22:36.58 | viccuad | maybe it doesn't, but that's what I can remember |
| 22:37.06 | viccuad | tarfag: yes, it seems so |
| 22:37.35 | viccuad | am I wrong, people? about the dependencies getting marked as a manual installation? |
| 22:37.53 | SynrG | tarfag: "it", what is "it" in that sentence? |
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| 22:37.54 | tarfag | viccuad it spitted out bunch of Possible missing firmware |
| 22:38.02 | tarfag | besides that everything finished i think |
| 22:38.13 | SynrG | tarfag: i mean "it shouldn't be http, it should be ftp" |
| 22:38.32 | tarfag | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free |
| 22:39.00 | tarfag | i found that on official backports debian wiki |
| 22:39.03 | tarfag | so i tried that and it ran |
| 22:39.18 | tarfag | now i *think* i have the linux-image-amd64 installed |
| 22:39.27 | tarfag | how do i check if it works |
| 22:39.29 | SynrG | tarfag: ugh. definitely don't use that. |
| 22:39.57 | tarfag | how come? |
| 22:40.05 | SynrG | always use a mirror |
| 22:40.11 | SynrG | not the primary |
| 22:40.20 | tarfag | ah ok it slows down for everyone? |
| 22:41.39 | SynrG | tarfag: the URL the factoid gave was correct. now maybe you typoed it ... |
| 22:41.54 | tarfag | i think i typed it wrong, ill correct it |
| 22:42.01 | SynrG | k |
| 22:42.01 | nmschulte | Is anyone familiar with writing udev rules? I need a simple rule that will match a usb product/vendor id and allow read/write from all (MODE="0666"); I can't get udev to apply my rule. |
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| 22:42.06 | tarfag | but for now how do i proceed |
| 22:42.18 | SynrG | tarfag: if you have it installed, you can reboot. |
| 22:42.24 | tarfag | ok will do |
| 22:42.31 | SynrG | tarfag: you were solving support for some hardware, wifi was it? |
| 22:42.45 | SynrG | tarfag: you might also need firmware for it, depending on the chipset |
| 22:43.06 | SynrG | tarfag: i came in on it late and didn't get those details. |
| 22:43.14 | tarfag | yes SynrG im trying to get wireless |
| 22:43.43 | tarfag | Atheroes Comm Inc AR9565 |
| 22:43.46 | SynrG | looking at the forum post mtn linked ... |
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| 22:45.02 | viccuad | tarfag: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=107377 |
| 22:45.07 | tarfag | Ah! restart did the trick |
| 22:45.08 | SynrG | tarfag: well, looks like that should do it. good luck with the reboot :) |
| 22:45.11 | SynrG | great |
| 22:45.29 | tarfag | thank you so much! |
| 22:45.35 | SynrG | viccuad: yes. we were there already, thanks :) |
| 22:45.38 | viccuad | tarfag: did you grasp the big picture of what you did? |
| 22:45.41 | tarfag | man i thought installing drivers on windows was a pain =D |
| 22:45.50 | tarfag | viccuad here's my recap |
| 22:46.10 | SynrG | tarfag: actually by comparison windows driver installation *is* a pain ... |
| 22:46.13 | tarfag | sources list defines where aptitude get all the packages, and backports i assume is a 3rd party package provider |
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| 22:46.25 | SynrG | because the pain is repeated over and over again, in slightly different variations per hardware |
| 22:46.30 | tarfag | im a node.js developer so i know little bit how package system work |
| 22:46.39 | SynrG | at least with debian you're just getting it all from the one place. |
| 22:46.47 | tarfag | SynrG i just need to get used to it, i think |
| 22:46.55 | SynrG | yup |
| 22:47.08 | tarfag | and i recieved the driver details from the thrid party |
| 22:47.17 | SynrG | tarfag: no. backports is not third-party |
| 22:47.27 | SynrG | !tell tarfag about backports |
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| 22:47.59 | tarfag | interesting... but how come its not on sources list from start |
| 22:48.54 | tarfag | anotehr noob question - how do i enter root mode in File Systems |
| 22:49.03 | tarfag | im trying to open my thumb drive but it wont let me due to permission |
| 22:49.45 | viccuad | the thumb drive should mount without the need for root permissions, at least on gnome3 |
| 22:49.57 | viccuad | are you using a desktop environment? |
| 22:50.01 | tarfag | yessir |
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| 22:50.56 | viccuad | are you using that thumb drive as a Debian Live install? |
| 22:51.08 | viccuad | right now, booting from it? |
| 22:51.27 | tarfag | no i just have a thumb drive |
| 22:51.35 | tarfag | i want to access it |
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| 22:51.49 | tarfag | debian is all installed |
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| 22:52.23 | viccuad | well, then I have no idea |
| 22:52.32 | viccuad | was it connected meanwhile you did the install? |
| 22:52.50 | tarfag | yes i think so |
| 22:52.53 | viccuad | ok |
| 22:53.30 | viccuad | then copy the contents of the file "/etc/fstab" in a pastebin for us |
| 22:53.31 | tarfag | how do i become a root on the desktop GUI |
| 22:53.48 | viccuad | it seems there's a line there you need to take out |
| 22:53.55 | tarfag | ok |
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| 22:54.35 | viccuad | because the thumb drive was in when the install took place, it got added to /etc/fstab, mounted as root |
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| 22:54.44 | viccuad | so only root can mount and unmount it |
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| 22:55.36 | viccuad | as a rule of thumb, you should not run the desktop GUI as root. there's no need for that, it's a security risk, and you can break things |
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| 22:56.35 | tarfag | Ok thanks i did not know that |
| 22:56.42 | tarfag | pastebin.com/nhiCVaps |
| 22:57.24 | viccuad | there you have it |
| 22:57.50 | viccuad | take out the last line |
| 22:57.58 | tarfag | sure thing |
| 22:57.59 | viccuad | sudo gedit /etc/fstab |
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| 22:58.59 | tarfag | ah there we go |
| 22:59.04 | tarfag | can you explain what i just did |
| 22:59.12 | tarfag | i really want to learn rather just get it done if you know what i mean |
| 23:00.24 | viccuad | the file /etc/fstab rules what to mount when the system initiates |
| 23:00.53 | tarfag | interesting, thanks |
| 23:00.58 | viccuad | the root user (the admin) mounts the things said there |
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| 23:01.16 | tarfag | ahh |
| 23:01.35 | tarfag | what are some popular apt packages in Debian, like vim and curl |
| 23:01.39 | luminous | hello! how would I determine which apt repo a particular package came from? |
| 23:01.58 | luminous | s/came/comes/ |
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| 23:02.12 | viccuad | tarfag: well, you have packages for whatever you like |
| 23:02.39 | zykotick9 | luminous: "apt-cache policy foo" and check the link, should show you |
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| 23:03.09 | luminous | awesome, thanks! |
| 23:03.47 | luminous | zykotick9: nope. sorry, I don't have the package, I am trying to determine which apt repo I am missing |
| 23:04.09 | viccuad | luminous: well xD. |
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| 23:04.35 | viccuad | you can only query about a package if you already have indexed it by an apt-get update |
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| 23:04.53 | viccuad | and for apt-get update you need to have the apt repo that contains that package |
| 23:05.00 | luminous | right |
| 23:05.06 | mintgreen | how to end tty1 session? |
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| 23:05.18 | zykotick9 | mintgreen: "exit"? |
| 23:05.21 | viccuad | is like if you ask me about chinesse words |
| 23:05.39 | viccuad | I have no idea, first I need to know some chineese words |
| 23:05.43 | viccuad | mintgreen: exit? |
| 23:06.11 | viccuad | luminous: just google it |
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| 23:11.54 | taylanub | Things I'm mad at Debian for after installing it for the first time: 1) You made me configure my WLAN during installation, why didn't you simply take over that configuration to the installed system? 2) How the flying fuck am I even supposed to configure my WLAN? Or network in general. Documentation sucks. Fine, manual ifconfig/route/wpa_supplicant usage in rc.local it is. 3) dpkg/apt-blah/aptitude is an unholy mess |
| 23:11.56 | taylanub | list packages you installed manually. |
| 23:12.19 | taylanub | I guess 1 is a relatively minor thing, and 2 applies to all GNU+Linux distros. Nr. 3 I won't be able to get over for a while. |
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| 23:13.48 | taylanub | (End rant, don't mind me.) |
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| 23:17.09 | teraflops | taylanub: please do not use debian or linux n general |
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| 23:18.15 | taylanub | I'd use BSD but then you get bad support for some software because everyone's on GNU+Linux. |
| 23:18.47 | teraflops | ok I dont mind what you say after read the above |
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| 23:19.57 | viscera | taylanub: desktop linux documentation in 2014 mainly consists of using arch linux's wiki and figuring out how it applies to your distro |
| 23:20.11 | tarfag | talanub i installed Debian or linux for the first time today and WLAN setup was kinda painful, but thanks you folks here I got it working |
| 23:21.27 | damarusama | I got an old machine without ss2 in the processor. Newer flash won't work. Would using an older version of flash be the way to go, or trying using gnash? |
| 23:21.39 | viscera | taylanub: that, plus the debian wiki and reference will get you correct wifi config on debian |
| 23:22.20 | teraflops | the debian wiki is fine for that purposses and its not outdated |
| 23:22.56 | SynrG | 1) it does, generally. 2) what did you install? if the default desktop, should 'just work'. if you had problems, you didn't say what they were, so we can't help ... 3) so vague and ranty as to be completely without value. |
| 23:23.00 | SynrG | taylanub: ^^ |
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| 23:23.57 | SynrG | taylanub: if you came for help, help us help you. if you came just to spread hate ... go for a nice walk. enjoy the sunset. have a chocolate ice cream ... |
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| 23:24.12 | SynrG | or otherwise do something nice for yourself to cheer yourself up |
| 23:24.12 | taylanub | SynrG: I finished the installation just fine, was just ranting on the bad experience. |
| 23:24.35 | themill | taylanub: ranting goes to /dev/null. Useful bug reports go to bugs.debian.org but you'd need to actually include some details |
| 23:24.59 | taylanub | Also I came off more bitter than I am, it's cool, I'm staying on Debian, it's just that some things on GNU+Linux distros are total crap compared to BSD, in terms of overall coherence ... |
| 23:25.03 | teraflops | taylanub: please copy and paste what you say below so you can blame yourself in the future |
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| 23:26.34 | teraflops | the part of debian takes the wifi credentials for windows and the part of id go with bsd are unvaluables |
| 23:26.44 | teraflops | for/from |
| 23:26.49 | taylanub | teraflops: you sound upset |
| 23:27.04 | taylanub | want me to post cat pictures ? |
| 23:27.05 | teraflops | no I sound funny |
| 23:27.05 | hermod | hey, i want to spawn a second fcgiwrap instance for a different user (dspam). I copied the sample configuration and edited it like in this howto: http://www.mbse.eu/linux/homeserver/mail/dspam/#Webnginx |
| 23:27.23 | hermod | But the init script fails, so I guess it does not work that way |
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| 23:27.50 | hermod | Anyone could help me out, how to create a second instance of fcgiwrap? |
| 23:28.38 | hermod | I mean, a second instance but no just with "-c 2" because of the different user |
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| 23:32.52 | hermod | Maybe if someone could point me to some sort of documentation for the configuration of fcgiwrap? I can't find anything, literally... |
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| 23:38.02 | deego | Was there an upgrade to linux-base last night, that there's no security advisory for, yet? |
| 23:38.35 | centrx | doubtful |
| 23:39.00 | deego | My /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs shows linux-base for some reason. |
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| 23:39.33 | deego | Does anyone else see that too? :) |
| 23:39.37 | deego | (wheezy) |
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| 23:42.15 | centrx | deego, Are you sure you don't have other lines in your sources.list? |
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| 23:43.06 | deego | centrx: This is all I see in apt-cache policy. 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages I don't understand why the package got 'upgraded' last night, and why it's in my reboot-required.pkgs |
| 23:43.07 | deego | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.01 | centrx | apt-cache policy really returns only one line? |
| 23:44.36 | deego | it also shows this under it: 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 23:44.36 | deego | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.42 | centrx | That line would not be the source of a security update anyway |
| 23:44.44 | themill | the full output would be good |
| 23:45.35 | deego | http://pastebin.com/zVv0exnY |
| 23:45.44 | deego | <centrx> That line would not be the source of a security update anyway <<=== indeed, that's why it's so puzzling. |
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| 23:46.05 | themill | linux-base hasn't been updated in debian for a long time |
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| 23:46.40 | deego | !! That's so bizarre that mine got upgraded last night. |
| 23:46.57 | themill | your apt logs would be good to see then |
| 23:47.14 | deego | themill: Where do I find them? |
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| 23:47.48 | Baka | Can I use Debian without systemd? |
| 23:48.07 | centrx | Baka, Yes. Currently by default Debian uses sysvinit |
| 23:48.08 | taylanub | Baka: Debian 7 doesn't have systemd. |
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| 23:48.24 | taylanub | If I got it right, starting with 8 it will. |
| 23:48.26 | Baka | But Debian is going to use systemd? |
| 23:48.35 | centrx | Wheezy has systemd as an option |
| 23:48.43 | themill | (and it works very well) |
| 23:48.54 | themill | deego: same as normal, /var/log |
| 23:48.55 | Baka | But will I always have a choice to use systemd or not? |
| 23:49.18 | taylanub | eventually you'll probably have a hard time avoiding it |
| 23:49.24 | Baka | :( |
| 23:49.25 | deego | I see this in my logs: http://pastebin.com/pwAeDHYw Indeed, the kernel got upgraded last night. |
| 23:49.35 | Baka | Well thank you for your time |
| 23:49.38 | Zharf | Baka, time for another fork! |
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| 23:49.47 | viscera | Baka: try the gentoo fami... oh |
| 23:49.48 | taylanub | but given the recent re-vitalization of the systemd hate, maybe things will change :P |
| 23:49.58 | taylanub | is eagerly waiting for GNU Guix |
| 23:50.18 | deego | .. when I manually upgraded it. But, again, I don't see a DSA for that. And, reboot-required.pkgs shows linux-base instead of the kernel, for some reason. |
| 23:50.19 | viscera | afaik gentoo is the last major distro to not go systemd |
| 23:50.32 | deego | themill: ^^ |
| 23:50.47 | taylanub | If Guix doesn't have some *proper* well-documented network management tools by the time it's v1.0, I'll make them. :P |
| 23:51.07 | centrx | deego, Your kernel is from squeeze? |
| 23:52.20 | deego | centrx: Ahh, my bad. I just "carry around" a kernel from squeeze (as well). I guess that solves the kernel mystery. |
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| 23:52.36 | deego | Yet, why does linux-base show up in reboot-required.pkgs? |
| 23:52.55 | centrx | Maybe you didn't reboot after the last update |
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| 23:53.04 | deego | centrx: uptime is 20 days |
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| 23:54.24 | deego | ((2) Looks like there's no DSA, yet, for that squeeze kernel upgrade.) |
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| 23:57.00 | Zharf | viscera, slack |
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| 23:59.28 | viscera | Zharf: oh yeeeeah, slack |