| 00:00.14 | SynrG | Leoneof: so you have Update: jessie, but that's wrong because that's not the Name you have in conf/updates |
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| 00:02.43 | Leoneof | SynrG: oops |
| 00:02.49 | Leoneof | SynrG: it's working now |
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| 00:02.55 | SynrG | Leoneof: super :) |
| 00:02.57 | Leoneof | SynrG: thank you :) |
| 00:03.00 | SynrG | np |
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| 00:33.18 | NetEcho | ,v sabnzbdplus |
| 00:33.19 | judd | Package: sabnzbdplus on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 0.5.4-1; wheezy/contrib: 0.6.15-1; jessie/contrib: 0.7.16-1; sid/contrib: 0.7.16-1 |
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| 00:33.51 | NetEcho | whats the command to get the info on backports? |
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| 00:34.35 | abrotman | that's it .. there's no backport |
| 00:34.40 | abrotman | or see packages.debian.org/foopkg |
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| 00:35.35 | NetEcho | abrotman so I can't use backports to grab the jessie version of sab for wheezy? |
| 00:35.39 | anonnumberanon | hey the standard C compiler is gcc on Debian right? |
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| 00:36.17 | abrotman | NetEcho: you can, but you have to make it yourself |
| 00:36.18 | abrotman | anonnumberanon: yes |
| 00:36.30 | NetEcho | ah |
| 00:36.38 | NetEcho | so I'm better off compiling from scratch? |
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| 00:37.07 | anonnumberanon | nothing is found when i type "man gcc", I do have it installed... |
| 00:38.37 | centrx | Do you? |
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| 00:39.04 | anonnumberanon | yes gcc --version tells me my version |
| 00:39.27 | anonnumberanon | I'll try compiling a file but I wanted to read about it in manual page first... |
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| 00:39.34 | abrotman | dpkg: tell anonnumberanon about non-free |
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| 00:39.57 | abrotman | dpkg: tell anonnumberanon about gcc-doc |
| 00:40.12 | abrotman | anonnumberanon: make sense? |
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| 00:41.11 | anonnumberanon | so gcc isn't free, I thought it would be since it's GNU compiler. |
| 00:41.38 | SynrG | the FSF has different ideas about what "free" means :p |
| 00:41.59 | nkuttler | anonnumberanon: gcc docs |
| 00:42.00 | SynrG | sadly, they believe invariant texts are perfectly ok |
| 00:42.36 | klide_ | gcc isn't free? what definition of free? |
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| 00:43.07 | SynrG | for the third time: gcc *docs* aren't |
| 00:43.34 | abrotman | anonnumberanon: gcc docs aren't free, gcc is free |
| 00:43.37 | klide_ | oh |
| 00:43.41 | abrotman | klide_: anonnumberanon fails at reading .. |
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| 00:45.03 | anonnumberanon | that is regrettable |
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| 00:48.00 | abrotman | anonnumberanon: it's not the end of hte world, just install the package |
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| 00:48.52 | anonnumberanon | well i learned something useful |
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| 00:50.03 | ZitZ | is there a way to determine which package provides a given file? |
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| 00:50.52 | LinuxGuy2020 | If I have a long text file of package names that I want to install, whats the easiest way to do that? |
| 00:51.00 | nkuttler | !tell ZitZ about search |
| 00:51.02 | LinuxGuy2020 | One package listed per line. |
| 00:51.12 | ZitZ | nevermind, my guess at what package was providing this file was right |
| 00:51.16 | ZitZ | with dpkg -L |
| 00:51.17 | nkuttler | LinuxGuy2020: apt-get install `cat file` ? |
| 00:51.29 | ZitZ | but i'd still like to know how to go in rever |
| 00:51.29 | LinuxGuy2020 | thanks both of you |
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| 00:52.57 | abrotman | dpkg: tell linuxator about aptitude clone |
| 00:53.14 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ZitZ about apt-file |
| 00:53.21 | abrotman | oh .. linuxator sorry, mistab |
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| 00:54.58 | ZitZ | ah thanks, apt-file will help me a lot |
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| 01:08.59 | average | abrotman: you use gpg keys right ? |
| 01:09.13 | average | abrotman: are you package maintainer by any chance ? |
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| 01:10.25 | average | wanted to ask how I can generate a revocation certificate for a subkey |
| 01:10.32 | average | it's ok if it's offtopic, I won't insisit |
| 01:10.35 | average | *insist |
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| 01:28.46 | abrotman | dpkg: tell iAdam1n about set time |
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| 01:28.56 | abrotman | dpkg: tell iAdam1n about timezone |
| 01:29.02 | iAdam1n | I saw |
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| 01:29.31 | iAdam1n | -bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 01:30.18 | iAdam1n | I want to set London as a timezone not UTC |
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| 01:30.28 | klide_ | iAdam1n: run it as root |
| 01:30.49 | iAdam1n | oh, thanks |
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| 01:33.19 | iAdam1n | I also forgot to ask, how do I fix "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory" etc? |
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| 01:33.49 | SynrG | install the locales package |
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| 01:34.12 | SynrG | iAdam1n: was this a debootstrap? |
| 01:34.23 | iAdam1n | SynrG: what do you mean? |
| 01:34.31 | iAdam1n | locales is already the newest version. |
| 01:34.31 | SynrG | normally these things would be installed |
| 01:34.33 | iAdam1n | I have it |
| 01:34.38 | SynrG | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 01:35.12 | iAdam1n | thanks |
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| 01:56.37 | subz3r0 | hi |
| 01:56.48 | subz3r0 | trying to install Time::HiRes for perl but get an error |
| 01:57.19 | abrotman | install how? |
| 01:57.33 | subz3r0 | sudo perl -MCPAN -e 'install Time::HiRes' |
| 01:57.35 | subz3r0 | gives |
| 01:57.44 | subz3r0 | Can't locate object method "install" via package "Time::HiRes" at -e line 1. |
| 01:57.45 | abrotman | use dh_makeperl |
| 01:58.03 | subz3r0 | dh_makeperl as command? |
| 01:58.16 | subz3r0 | never used it before. just playing around |
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| 01:58.43 | subz3r0 | abrotman: what command should i use? |
| 01:58.44 | average | subz3r0: sudo aptitude install cpanminus |
| 01:58.48 | abrotman | dpkg: tell subz3r0 about dh-make-perl |
| 01:58.49 | average | subz3r0: sudo cpanm Time::HiRes |
| 01:59.01 | abrotman | dh-make-perl is much better |
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| 01:59.22 | subz3r0 | no clue :) |
| 01:59.28 | abrotman | I"m telling you |
| 01:59.30 | average | subz3r0: did you do that ? |
| 01:59.37 | average | abrotman: I was under the impression that dh-make-perl is used to package CPAN modules into deb packages |
| 01:59.45 | abrotman | ... |
| 01:59.56 | subz3r0 | average: not yet, since abrotman said its better. but i dont know it that good, that i could say you or him is rhight |
| 01:59.59 | average | abrotman: but it's more involved. I used it 2 days ago, and I had to do a bit of reading to get it working |
| 02:00.13 | abrotman | average: it's not that hard .. and it's much cleaner for your system |
| 02:00.53 | average | abrotman: also the package libtime-hires-perl is already in the package repository for Debian |
| 02:00.59 | subz3r0 | abrotman: so please tell me how i should use it? |
| 02:01.03 | average | why not just use that instead of rolling your own with dh-make-perl ? |
| 02:01.14 | subz3r0 | there is no cmd dh_makeperl. even not with sudo |
| 02:01.15 | average | subz3r0: the easiest route IMHO is sudo aptitude install libtime-hires-perl |
| 02:01.28 | abrotman | average: perhaps they need a newer version? |
| 02:01.28 | average | that's the Debian package for the CPAN module Time::HiRes |
| 02:01.38 | average | abrotman: perhaps, but that was not mentioned so far |
| 02:01.39 | abrotman | judd: versions libtime-hires-perl |
| 02:01.40 | judd | No package named 'libtime-hires-perl' was found in i386. |
| 02:01.45 | abrotman | average: it' snot in Debian .. |
| 02:01.50 | subz3r0 | average: than i can use the install cmd that i tried before? |
| 02:01.58 | abrotman | subz3r0: dh-make-perl is the command, see what the bot told you |
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| 02:02.25 | average | subz3r0: I gave you so far 2 options: 1) sudo aptitude install cpanminus ; sudo cpanm Time::HiRes OR 2) sudo aptitude install libtime-hires-perl |
| 02:02.32 | abrotman | both bad |
| 02:02.34 | average | or you can use abrotman 's idea |
| 02:02.37 | abrotman | one completely wrong |
| 02:03.01 | zinx | dh-make-perl is the way to do it in Debian, if there's not already a libtime-hires-perl (and there isn't) |
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| 02:03.30 | abrotman | subz3r0: plesae use dh-make-perl, it's the truly correct way to intsall modules not already in Debian |
| 02:03.46 | average | https://packages.debian.org/sid/libtime-hires-perl |
| 02:03.58 | subz3r0 | abrotman: i dont have the time to read x pages to get it to run. just wanna get it working asap |
| 02:04.04 | abrotman | subz3r0: it's not hard .. |
| 02:04.07 | abrotman | it's actually quite easy |
| 02:04.09 | subz3r0 | since im sitting here for 20 hours and im tired as hell |
| 02:04.23 | abrotman | average: that's a "virtual" package |
| 02:04.28 | zinx | average: as you can see, nothing provides it. |
| 02:04.43 | zinx | or eh, i guess perl proper does in sid |
| 02:05.18 | zinx | hmm it does in wheezy too |
| 02:05.19 | abrotman | average: and that's only in sid |
| 02:05.27 | zinx | subz3r0: sure you're using Debian? |
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| 02:05.47 | subz3r0 | zinx: debian? no. ofc not. im using freebsd |
| 02:05.53 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:05.59 | subz3r0 | abrotman: nvm... |
| 02:06.10 | abrotman | subz3r0: which version of Debian is this ? |
| 02:06.13 | zinx | subz3r0: maybe that's why it's not in your perl package :P |
| 02:06.14 | subz3r0 | v7 |
| 02:06.24 | abrotman | judd: file HiRes.pm --release wheezy |
| 02:06.30 | judd | Search for HiRes.pm in wheezy/i386: awstats: usr/share/awstats/plugins/timehires.pm; perl: usr/lib/perl/5.14.2/Time/HiRes.pm; librose-db-object-perl: usr/share/perl5/Rose/DB/Object/Metadata/Column/Epoch/HiRes.pm |
| 02:06.41 | zinx | subz3r0: try perldoc Time::HiRes |
| 02:08.16 | subz3r0 | well |
| 02:08.26 | subz3r0 | now i got like 3 solutions and have no idea which one i should use |
| 02:08.37 | subz3r0 | one says the other method isnt very good, the other says its okay :) |
| 02:08.40 | zinx | subz3r0: there's no solution, it should already be there if perl is installed. |
| 02:08.43 | abrotman | subz3r0: does /usr/lib/perl/5.14.2/Time/HiRes.pm already exist? |
| 02:08.57 | subz3r0 | forgive me my impatience. im just tired as hell... and see everything twice :) |
| 02:08.59 | zinx | subz3r0: so you're going to have to provide info so it can be determined why it isn't there :) |
| 02:09.08 | subz3r0 | zinx: sec please |
| 02:09.10 | subz3r0 | abrotman: sec |
| 02:09.16 | average | subz3r0: go and wash your face, and cooperate if you're going to get to a solution |
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| 02:09.31 | average | subz3r0: abrotman asked you a question, is HiRes.pm at the path specified ? |
| 02:09.59 | subz3r0 | yeah it is |
| 02:10.01 | subz3r0 | "locate HiRes.pm |
| 02:10.02 | subz3r0 | /usr/lib/perl/5.14.2/Time/HiRes.pm" |
| 02:10.13 | abrotman | all fixed up? |
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| 02:10.40 | subz3r0 | abrotman: i didnt do anything till yet, since i want to make clear which steps whould be the best |
| 02:10.45 | zinx | subz3r0: no need to install it, then |
| 02:10.50 | subz3r0 | its there? |
| 02:10.50 | zinx | subz3r0: it's already installed |
| 02:10.53 | abrotman | subz3r0: nothing to do .. it's already there |
| 02:10.54 | subz3r0 | ahh okay |
| 02:11.14 | average | :) |
| 02:11.18 | subz3r0 | so when i get this error from above, i can expect those are installed already? |
| 02:11.29 | subz3r0 | since i need to install some more |
| 02:11.29 | average | subz3r0: no, do not generalize |
| 02:11.36 | abrotman | subz3r0: which error? |
| 02:11.42 | zinx | subz3r0: you shouldn't be using that method to install perl packages, whether they're installed or not |
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| 02:11.51 | eb0t | anyone know why when i su into root ..the directories look exactly the same as the files |
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| 02:12.11 | average | eb0t: the colors you mean ? |
| 02:12.13 | abrotman | eb0t: ls --color |
| 02:12.14 | eb0t | yes |
| 02:12.18 | zinx | subz3r0: if you /do/ need to install a package (check if it's there first), first check to see if there's a debian package for it. if there isn't, make one with dh-make-perl. |
| 02:12.28 | eb0t | ah ok |
| 02:12.35 | subz3r0 | eb0t: thats normal :) since most admins wont have colors ;) |
| 02:12.44 | average | eb0t: force_color_prompt=yes |
| 02:12.48 | average | eb0t: in your ~/.bashrc |
| 02:12.54 | average | eb0t: or your /root/.bashrc |
| 02:13.00 | zinx | subz3r0: the debian packages will generally be named libfoo-perl, where foo is lowercase and will contain dashes instead of ::'s |
| 02:13.33 | average | eb0t: also color_prompt=yes |
| 02:13.55 | subz3r0 | zinx: thank you very much. |
| 02:14.06 | eb0t | ah thanks average |
| 02:14.08 | subz3r0 | so IO::File would be like IOFile.pm |
| 02:14.10 | average | eb0t: PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$ ' |
| 02:14.21 | eb0t | ill borrow that i think |
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| 02:14.42 | average | eb0t: one of those, I can't remember well. study your .bashrc , also source .bashrc to see the results of the changes |
| 02:14.59 | eb0t | thanks ill set itup |
| 02:15.06 | gcosmin | Hi, could I have some help with chmod -R 777 ? http://paste.debian.net/90508/ |
| 02:15.14 | zinx | subz3r0: IO/File.pm, but you can generally do perldoc IO::File for example; perl -mIO::File would print an error if it wasn't there, or wait for input otherwise |
| 02:15.50 | average | subz3r0: it would be in /some-path/IO/File.pm . Not necessarily /usr/lib/perl . It depends if the package is installed locally or system-wide |
| 02:15.57 | zinx | subz3r0: the package for that would usually be libio-file-perl, if there were one |
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| 02:16.11 | zinx | subz3r0: however, there are some exceptions to that |
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| 02:16.38 | subz3r0 | zinx: exceptions? ouch :( |
| 02:16.47 | subz3r0 | zinx: maybe you can give me the name of them? just 4 more |
| 02:17.12 | subz3r0 | than im done. done with work and rdy to go to bed :) |
| 02:17.14 | subz3r0 | 4 am here :( |
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| 02:17.29 | zinx | subz3r0: uhm, no, i'm not going to list every perl package in debian >_< |
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| 02:17.41 | subz3r0 | IO::Socket::INET , Data::Dumper, Digest::MD5 |
| 02:18.13 | zinx | subz3r0: perl -mIO::Socket::INET (for example) will /always/ work |
| 02:18.30 | zinx | subz3r0: to tell you if it's there or not - it will print an error if it isn't, or wait for input if it is. |
| 02:19.08 | gcosmin | could anyone help me pls? |
| 02:19.11 | zinx | (you could add -e exit if you wanted to make it not wait) |
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| 02:19.25 | average | subz3r0 , zinx : sudo apt-file -x search '\.pm$' | perl -ne '/([a-zA-Z0-9\-]+):/ && print "$1\n";' | sort | uniq | perl -ne 'chomp; $_ !~ /^lib.*perl$/ && print "$_\n";' |
| 02:19.29 | average | these are the exceptions |
| 02:20.06 | average | Perl modules contained in packages that don't follow the naming policy of the form /^lib.*-perl$/ |
| 02:20.27 | zinx | questions the need to run apt-file as root |
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| 02:20.41 | average | zinx: nitpicking, but I agree, sudo was not required |
| 02:20.46 | subz3r0 | okay, so "perl -mIO::Data::Dumper |
| 02:20.47 | subz3r0 | Can't locate IO/Data/Dumper.pm in @IN" is not there :) |
| 02:22.01 | average | subz3r0: so install it |
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| 02:22.10 | subz3r0 | wont let me again |
| 02:22.21 | subz3r0 | Can't locate object method "install" via package "Data::Dumper" at -e line 1. |
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| 02:22.43 | abrotman | dh-make-perl ... |
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| 02:23.17 | zinx | subz3r0: 1) you should use the correct module name (Data::Dumper), 2) you should cehck for a debian package and install that if there is one, 3) if there isn't, use dh-make-perl to create one, and build/install it. there is no 4. |
| 02:23.29 | abrotman | perl: /usr/lib/perl/5.18.2/Data/Dumper.pm .. that's not it ? |
| 02:23.30 | average | I have never heard of IO::Data::Dumper , I have heard of Data::Dumper however.. |
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| 02:24.09 | average | apt-file -x search 'Data\/Dumper.pm$' |
| 02:24.29 | average | gives 3 packages perl, libmldbm-perl , libdata-serializer-perl |
| 02:24.34 | average | I believe it's a CORE Perl module |
| 02:24.37 | abrotman | dpkg: tell subz3r0 about apt-file |
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| 02:24.41 | average | it comes with Perl |
| 02:24.43 | subz3r0 | its called "Data::Dumper" |
| 02:24.46 | zinx | i believe all of them are core modules |
| 02:24.58 | average | zinx: core debian modules ? |
| 02:25.02 | zinx | core perl modules |
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| 02:25.52 | subz3r0 | ./usr/lib/perl/5.14.2/Data/Dumper.pm :) |
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| 02:26.21 | average | zinx: corelist disagrees with you on MLDBM (aka libmldbm-perl ) |
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| 02:26.33 | average | zinx: but apart from that one, you are correct |
| 02:28.08 | average | zinx: oh, corelist also disagrees with you on Data::Serializer ( aka libdata-serializer-perl ) |
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| 02:29.35 | average | but it also depends what version of Perl we're talking about, as each release's CORE packages may be different |
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| 02:32.52 | subz3r0 | thanks guys. its working now :) |
| 02:34.43 | subz3r0 | btw. you guys know some good papers about iptables? |
| 02:34.56 | subz3r0 | man page wont give that much information :P |
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| 02:35.13 | subz3r0 | found some howtos and tutorials. but those dont go that deep |
| 02:35.15 | average | subz3r0: there are many guides about iptables on the internet |
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| 02:35.27 | subz3r0 | average: i know. but mostly just for a specific case |
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| 02:35.40 | average | subz3r0: yes, collect what you need from specific cases and adapt to what you need |
| 02:36.02 | average | subz3r0: also check out iptables-save, iptables-restore, and set up a rule for it so you don't have to apply it manually at each boot |
| 02:36.08 | subz3r0 | average: so you cant recommend some 1k pages book? :) |
| 02:36.28 | average | subz3r0: also, use netcat and telnet to check that your iptables rules are as you expect them to be |
| 02:36.41 | subz3r0 | arent there another thing called iptables-permanent/static? |
| 02:36.58 | abrotman | subz3r0: see #netfilter or netfilter.org |
| 02:37.16 | average | subz3r0: no I'm sorry, I can't recommend a book on the topic, because I'm not aware so far of a book covering iptables (there may be one, but I haven't found it) |
| 02:37.24 | ShapeShifter499 | shawnbon206: are you around? |
| 02:37.45 | ShapeShifter499 | shawnbon206: may I PM you with a question about Linux Deploy? |
| 02:37.47 | subz3r0 | ... meant "iptables-persistent" |
| 02:37.55 | subz3r0 | its new in debian since v6 |
| 02:37.58 | mattcen | Hi all. I'm using journalled quotas on Debian Wheezy. If I understand correctly, that *should* mean I don't need to run quotacheck on unclean shutdown. Despite this, my system runs quotacheck anyway. |
| 02:38.13 | mattcen | Is that a bug in the init script that I can safely comment out, or is it actually required? |
| 02:38.37 | average | subz3r0: you make a script at this location and you make it executable and you use iptables-restore in it to restore your rules /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables |
| 02:38.53 | average | subz3r0: that is how you persist iptables rules afaik |
| 02:39.34 | subz3r0 | average: i was playing a bit today with iptables. got it to work. but didnt understand what i was really doing :) |
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| 02:39.46 | abrotman | the iptables-persistent is supposed to handle that for you |
| 02:39.51 | subz3r0 | well did not understand everything. but i'd like to know |
| 02:40.07 | average | subz3r0: please read up Debian documentation on the topic(Ubuntu might run similarly, take that with a grain of salt, so you might consult that documentation too) |
| 02:40.26 | subz3r0 | since using iptables is different as configuring some cisco router with eigrp or ospf for routing :) |
| 02:40.33 | average | abrotman: I will read up on iptables-persistent , I think I ran across it but have not used it yet |
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| 02:41.20 | subz3r0 | but im happy that i got my lil lab to work :) |
| 02:41.41 | subz3r0 | next step will be including qemu in gns3 |
| 02:41.58 | subz3r0 | for running a ASA in it |
| 02:42.00 | average | subz3r0: great, now go write some puppet manifests that automate this for you, and document all your setup so you don't lose it |
| 02:42.13 | average | imho, that's what I'd do.. |
| 02:42.32 | ShapeShifter499 | shawnbon206: never mind, I figured it out |
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| 02:42.51 | subz3r0 | average: normaly i do that. But i should give those txt files better names in the future :P |
| 02:43.19 | subz3r0 | not like new file.txt, new file2.txt, new file3.txt :D |
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| 02:43.43 | subz3r0 | greppin through them is no fun at all if you need to find something special fast ;) |
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| 02:44.21 | subz3r0 | okay guys. thanks again for assisting me. gn8 :) |
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| 02:46.24 | average | abrotman: may I ask if you're a package maintainer ? |
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| 02:49.11 | abrotman | average: eh, why? |
| 02:51.29 | average | abrotman: I was looking for the official docs to contribute some packages to debian alioth. Is this still the right entry point for it ? http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 02:59.25 | abrotman | average: you probably want #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 03:04.30 | shawnbon206 | http://hastebin.com/kokitiyita.pl please help me figure out why this apt pinning is not working? i already removed jessie as default release |
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| 03:07.32 | shawnbon206 | nevermind ! |
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| 03:10.00 | shawnbon206 | i had to put * before and after it |
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| 03:10.36 | shawnbon206 | thats definately something which is missing from the documtation |
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| 03:12.18 | RdrOfTheSt0rm | hi guys trying to verify signed shasum for debian iso. ive installed debian-keyring but dont have the key. how can i get it securely ? |
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| 03:16.25 | NetEcho | ,v sabnzbdplus |
| 03:16.26 | judd | Package: sabnzbdplus on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 0.5.4-1; wheezy/contrib: 0.6.15-1; jessie/contrib: 0.7.16-1; sid/contrib: 0.7.16-1 |
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| 03:24.56 | spinningcompass | ,v lz4 |
| 03:24.57 | judd | No package named 'lz4' was found in i386. |
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| 03:26.38 | abrotman | NetEcho: you can use packages.debian.org to get that info |
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| 03:27.59 | Roland- | hello, is the debian kernel close to vanilla kernel.org or it's patched? |
| 03:28.06 | abrotman | it's patched |
| 03:28.30 | Roland- | can I get the full source for it? |
| 03:28.50 | abrotman | yes |
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| 03:29.26 | dfuse | oi |
| 03:29.37 | Roland- | looks |
| 03:31.05 | Roland- | I can inly find the headers with apt-cache |
| 03:31.32 | wols_ | cause sources you download with apt-get source. and they are available for every package |
| 03:31.38 | wols_ | !tell Roland- about kernel handbook |
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| 03:32.44 | NetEcho | abrotman thanks |
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| 03:45.24 | Roland- | can I see an changelog for an package like kernel? |
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| 03:49.35 | silv3r_m00n | hi |
| 03:49.46 | dfuse | hi |
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| 03:49.55 | silv3r_m00n | i installed the iproute2-doc package, now how do i read it ? i need help about filter syntax of ss command |
| 03:50.03 | shawnbon206 | http://hastebin.com/toxosohihi.vhdl what should i do here, am i going to break my entire system if i itry to install this? |
| 03:51.01 | silv3r_m00n | the files are these, http://pastie.org/8979540 |
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| 03:53.07 | dfuse | silv3r_m00n: i do not jnow, friend |
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| 03:54.03 | wols_ | silv3r_m00n: putting ubuntu packages into debian generally breaks debian, yes |
| 03:54.13 | wols_ | shawnbon206: ^ |
| 03:54.14 | dfuse | i go sleep |
| 03:55.02 | wols_ | silv3r_m00n: it depends on which file you want to read. html is read with a browser. txt.gz with zless, etc |
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| 03:55.37 | silv3r_m00n | wols_: cant it be read with the man command or something like that ? |
| 03:55.42 | wols_ | mn |
| 03:55.43 | wols_ | *no |
| 03:55.51 | wols_ | I just told you what you can use |
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| 03:56.11 | Roland- | !kernel handbook |
| 03:56.11 | dpkg | The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook (http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/) - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source. |
| 03:56.18 | Roland- | !tell Roland- about kernel handbook |
| 03:56.25 | wols_ | !tell Roland- about selftell |
| 03:56.33 | shawnbon206 | :\ |
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| 03:56.56 | Roland- | okok I get it |
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| 04:01.55 | shawnbon206 | wols_: its from the debian repo. i just backported it from sid |
| 04:02.25 | shawnbon206 | its not in jessie for some reason, i am assuming because it has unsolvable deps. but i am noob and i need a little hand holding sometimes :) |
| 04:03.22 | shawnbon206 | from what i was reading online, it CAN work on debian and thats maybe why its there (sometimes) |
| 04:03.42 | wols_ | shawnbon206: your paste has ubuntu packages. therefore you mix ubuntu with debian. which will blow up in your face generally |
| 04:04.18 | shawnbon206 | no, its from debian |
| 04:04.32 | shawnbon206 | https://packages.debian.org/sid/software-center |
| 04:04.37 | wols_ | shawnbon206: are you running ubuntu or debian? |
| 04:04.44 | shawnbon206 | i am running debian |
| 04:05.04 | wols_ | and you mix in ubuntu packages: python-gi (3.10.2-2+b1) breaks software-center (<= 5.6.0-0ubuntu2) and is installed. |
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| 04:06.00 | shawnbon206 | no, that package is from sid |
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| 04:06.51 | wols_ | ,v software-center |
| 04:06.53 | judd | Package: software-center on i386 -- squeeze: 2.0.7debian7; sid: 5.1.2debian3.1; wheezy: 5.1.2debian3.1 |
| 04:07.09 | wols_ | as you can see there is no ubuntu package in sid. |
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| 04:07.37 | shawnbon206 | thats the one i installed, obviously there is some other explaination as to why the name changed |
| 04:08.46 | wols_ | shawnbon206: apt-cache policy python-gi software-center python-lazr.restfulclient |
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| 04:09.07 | shawnbon206 | ok |
| 04:09.43 | shawnbon206 | apt-cache policy would only work for binary packages right? this was a backport i made |
| 04:10.27 | shawnbon206 | i am on jessie and there is no jessie so i had to backport it from sid |
| 04:10.50 | wols_ | it works on anything. please give us the output of the command |
| 04:10.57 | NetEcho | anyone know when jessie might be be going stable? |
| 04:11.07 | shawnbon206 | http://hastebin.com/pajebecuro.sm |
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| 04:12.45 | wols_ | !tell NetEcho about WIR |
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| 04:13.40 | wols_ | shawnbon206: install python-lazr.restfulclient too |
| 04:13.50 | NetEcho | fair enough |
| 04:14.25 | owen1 | i was afraid to switch to ubuntu since i don't use any graphical UI whenever possible. so i don't need unity/grome etc, but i realized that it's helpful to reach to some of those tools even when i am mainly using i3. |
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| 04:15.19 | owen1 | for example, switching between english to chinese. it's just easier to follow a nice doc page on ubuntu than to figure out via random blogs how to do that with debian. |
| 04:15.55 | shawnbon206 | http://hastebin.com/saruluxuna.hs as you can see, its from sid |
| 04:16.01 | owen1 | so my plan is to install i3, uninstall network-manager and install wicd. |
| 04:16.46 | owen1 | and never use gnome/unity. but i'll use some graphical settings for power management/language settings etc. |
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| 04:20.11 | shawnbon206 | http://hastebin.com/hiciheluda.rb wols_ ok, after installing that package theres only one unsolvable left |
| 04:21.52 | shawnbon206 | http://hastebin.com/valowefaxi.sm current output of "apt-cache policy software-center" |
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| 04:23.02 | wols_ | remove python-gi if possible |
| 04:23.08 | shawnbon206 | http://hastebin.com/cefoquxoke.sm sorry, i should have included python-gi |
| 04:23.17 | shawnbon206 | ok |
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| 04:24.55 | shawnbon206 | http://hastebin.com/kafamemiro.mel heh :( |
| 04:25.01 | shawnbon206 | no bueno |
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| 04:30.46 | dogeguy1976 | fellows I require a bit of information and advice, I plan to switch comlpetely to linux after 20 years of linux/unix admin at work under my belt, thing is I do not know if my gfx (nvidia 470 GTX) with dual monitor is actually supported by xfree86 or not, I haven't installed a linux distro in a few years so if you can orient me I appreciate |
| 04:31.56 | dogeguy1976 | and of course I want to switch to debian unstable , I can't think of a better and more supported linux , at least it was when I worked with them (webservers and dbservers mostly) |
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| 04:32.46 | shawnbon206 | i hope you mean debian testing D: |
| 04:32.54 | eikenb | dogeguy1976. I don't have that setup but I'd say that'd work. Though you'd most likely need the proprietary nvidia driver. |
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| 04:33.57 | eikenb | The nvidia driver generally works well and afaik it works fine with a mutli-monitor setup. |
| 04:34.36 | shawnbon206 | without the non-free nvidia drivers my gtx660 would just crash and crash and crash |
| 04:35.08 | eikenb | I never had a problem with my 220 or 460. |
| 04:35.15 | dogeguy1976 | I don't mind having to use propietary stuff, it's jsut back then (you have to realize it was 2001) drivers for major card chip manufacturers (namedly ati and nvidia) were hard to find and only for VERY outdated kernel versions |
| 04:35.23 | shawnbon206 | gtx660 i hear has a special problem |
| 04:35.46 | eikenb | shrugs. I use intel now (thinkpad) so I can't say 100%. |
| 04:36.06 | dogeguy1976 | it's jsut I'm tired of hearing about the NSA, about PRISM and microsoft handing over info without even a court order |
| 04:36.07 | shawnbon206 | dogeguy1976: nvidia has a good support life compared to ATI |
| 04:36.23 | dogeguy1976 | so I'm willing to sacrifize gaming and switch completely to a linux/GNU system |
| 04:36.44 | dogeguy1976 | shawnbon206: glad to hear, ty |
| 04:36.51 | dogeguy1976 | and thanks eikenb for the input as well |
| 04:36.58 | dogeguy1976 | I'm going to give it a go |
| 04:37.21 | eikenb | np |
| 04:37.28 | dogeguy1976 | so what is the preferred method to start an install from scratch? USB with network support? or like in the olden days burning CD's/DVD's |
| 04:37.59 | eikenb | I like usb + network install. |
| 04:38.04 | dogeguy1976 | all I want is a desktop environment, and maybe some python/perl/c to play around |
| 04:38.32 | dogeguy1976 | yeah eikenb, usb installs back then were quuite bleeding edge, so I assumed the technology carried on and improved to be seamless |
| 04:38.48 | eikenb | yeah... it is MUCH easier than it used to be. |
| 04:38.50 | eikenb | Just works. |
| 04:39.00 | shawnbon206 | dogeguy1976: for testing i pefer to install with the network install, on the tasksel screen select nothing, then dist-upgrade to jessie/testing, then open tasksel and add the desktop |
| 04:39.20 | shawnbon206 | that way you dont have to download everything twice |
| 04:39.36 | dogeguy1976 | am I doing the right thing choosing debian or should I go for something more "desktop friendly"... tbh I heard nasty stuff about ubuntu sending browsing habits to amazon and I'm not comfortable withs something propietary like that |
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| 04:40.06 | dogeguy1976 | is jessie the codename for the lastest unstable? |
| 04:40.11 | dogeguy1976 | oh testing nvm |
| 04:40.29 | shawnbon206 | well, this is a good place to get a biased option about debian :). but tbh i use both debian testing and fedora on my desktop systems |
| 04:40.33 | dogeguy1976 | what was the 4 levels again? stable, testing , unstable and what else? |
| 04:40.43 | shawnbon206 | experimental |
| 04:40.57 | dogeguy1976 | shawnbon206: on the contrary I always found the debian community to be on their feet when coming up with solutions |
| 04:41.07 | dogeguy1976 | experimental ty |
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| 04:41.48 | dogeguy1976 | so jessie is the codename for the newest then |
| 04:41.49 | shawnbon206 | lets take this to #debian-offtopic before we make someone mad |
| 04:41.58 | dogeguy1976 | sorry |
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| 05:01.52 | dontknow | that guy was gnu/linux admin? |
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| 05:05.52 | jaggz | How do you resolve a dependency like this (installing valgrind, and it wants to upgrade libc6 .. ) http://pastebin.com/Rf1h6yF2 |
| 05:06.27 | jaggz | and the libc6 version going to 2.13-38+deb7u1 messes things up |
| 05:07.13 | wols_ | jaggz: apt-cache policy |
| 05:07.48 | wols_ | jaggz: and apt-cache policy valgrind |
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| 05:08.33 | jaggz | I'm not sure what's going on in the policy output (first time ever looking at it)... but I have squeeze and wheezy entries in it |
| 05:08.54 | jaggz | must be from the backports I have in my sources |
| 05:09.47 | jaggz | here's my sources: http://pastebin.com/U3DLWxFm |
| 05:10.11 | jaggz | while I read pages on apt-cache policy :) |
| 05:11.08 | wols_ | jaggz: I gave you two clear commands, and I'd like to see the output of them please |
| 05:11.21 | jaggz | sorry, didn't know you wanted to see it :) |
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| 05:12.06 | jaggz | http://pastebin.com/SkLcPqwE both there |
| 05:12.15 | jaggz | oops.. hold on.. captcha verif on pastebin |
| 05:12.22 | wols_ | !pastebin.com |
| 05:12.22 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 05:12.39 | jaggz | okay, same url is good now |
| 05:12.42 | jaggz | thanks |
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| 05:13.59 | wols_ | I'd do a dist-upgrade first to make libc6 run current wheezy. maybe install libc-bin libc6 explicitly |
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| 05:19.43 | jaggz | wols_: thank you.. will do. I hope I don't have to do much reconfiguration of software during this update (I hate having to manually go in and edit/merge things when configuration formats change) |
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| 05:21.55 | wols_ | !tell jaggz about wheezy sources.list |
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| 05:27.52 | shawnbon206 | thanks for helping me earlier wols_. i am going to try to make a chroot for it and then write a wrapper script for it :D |
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| 05:28.57 | wols_ | shawnbon206: a chroot for software-center defeats the purpose |
| 05:29.12 | wols_ | you cannot install stuff on your debian with a chrooted software-center |
| 05:31.22 | shawnbon206 | hmm |
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| 05:42.23 | Bryanstein | can someone visit a site for me...I'm experiencing very weird behavior |
| 05:42.59 | Bryanstein | http://fossetcon.org so I can load it on my phone but not on my pc...dns answer back right and all...is it up shows it up |
| 05:43.46 | Bryanstein | can someone try and ssh to that hostname too...tell me if it asks for a key |
| 05:44.30 | Bryanstein | Its as if certain traffic is blocked |
| 05:45.10 | shawnbon206 | http://hastebin.com/rawatahoge.vbs |
| 05:46.04 | Bryanstein | shawnbon206, man...this is wierd |
| 05:46.31 | Bryanstein | I can't get to the system...my ssh session time out, no web site on my end |
| 05:46.58 | Bryanstein | I can ssh to other boxes all day long..same subnet...hmmm |
| 05:47.48 | Bryanstein | thanks shawnbon206...I'll keep trying this |
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| 05:56.44 | towski_ | what is a good mp3 player gui |
| 05:57.09 | Blue1 | I use guayadeque |
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| 05:58.45 | towski_ | thanks I'll try it |
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| 05:59.32 | Blue1 | I like it - there are plenty other -- rhythmbox is another good one. |
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| 06:03.28 | jaggz | wols_: thanks for the dpkg wheezy sources reference. any special notes about including backports or are my backports lines cool too? |
| 06:03.34 | jaggz | thanks for the help by the way, and as usual |
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| 06:30.31 | CygniX | when generating server host key with ' ssh-keygen -t rsa -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key' is there a good reason not to add passphrase? |
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| 06:36.48 | nevyn | because you'd need to enter it at boot? |
| 06:36.53 | nevyn | and every sshd restart |
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| 06:37.19 | nevyn | and if someone can read it from disk they can just as eailly read it from ram? |
| 06:37.35 | CygniX | ah thanks |
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| 07:22.35 | FaTony | hi, when trying to shut down I get back to gdm, what can be the cause? |
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| 07:32.22 | slept | how can i obtain a list of all packages that are installed withe the debian installer in a fresh install (without doing the installation)? I would like to get rid of all packages that i installed along the way and get those back i removed ... something like dpkg -P `diff `dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}'` `cat list_of_standard_packages` | diff | grep < ` maybe the cat could be replaced with some other command |
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| 07:46.50 | fa7ad | guys can anyone build the deb files for these sources. its over my head. libimobiledevice.org |
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| 07:49.18 | fa7ad | if it helps, i get a lot of errors about unmet dependencies while trying to compile them. and one more thing almost all of these packages are inter-related |
| 07:50.09 | fa7ad | anybody? |
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| 07:56.39 | shawnbon206 | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names&keywords=libimobiledevice ??? |
| 07:58.14 | shawnbon206 | BNP |
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| 07:59.14 | zaph_ | \msg dpkg guidelines |
| 07:59.56 | fa7ad | shawnbon206: need 1.1.6. that page has up to 1.1.5 |
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| 08:03.51 | fa7ad | irc://irc.freenode.net#libimobiledevice |
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| 08:04.53 | arcke | what is a good radeon chip to buy that gets most 3D games running in stable? |
| 08:05.43 | arcke | i mean stable free, excluding non-free drivers |
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| 08:06.02 | zaph_ | Hi, I’ve trouble with nvidia-dkms. It does not properly install the kernel module for new kernels. For the last few times I had to delete dkms cache and then install the driver manually by calling dkms from the command line |
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| 08:08.49 | zaph_ | I have tried to purge all X / nvidia-glx / dkms packages, yet the next time the kernel/nvidia is upgraded, the kernel module fails to be automatically installe |
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| 08:14.02 | babilen | arcke: Most, if not all (?), radeon GPUs require non-free firmware. |
| 08:14.08 | shawnbon206 | fa7ad have you tried installing the deps manually? |
| 08:14.29 | zaph_ | I’m on a testing/unstable system |
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| 08:16.12 | arcke | babilen: im checking dri support for r300 - r700 cards |
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| 08:16.46 | arcke | the newer ones dont have good dri support |
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| 08:30.22 | Jeeves_Moss | I keep getting "premission denied (13)" when I'm using MC to move files. How do I fix it? |
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| 08:31.24 | petern_ | Get permission. |
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| 08:32.35 | Jeeves_Moss | petern_, I ran "chown -R root:root ." on the directory, and I'm still getting it |
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| 08:32.59 | zaph_ | Jeeves_Moss: have you launched mc as root? |
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| 08:33.11 | Jeeves_Moss | petern_, it's claming "cannot create the target file". Yet it's logged on with the domain admin creds |
| 08:33.48 | petern_ | Domain admin? |
| 08:34.16 | Jeeves_Moss | petern_, it's connecting to a windows share |
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| 08:34.42 | petern_ | You... chown root a Windows share? That doesn't strike me as sensible. |
| 08:35.10 | Jeeves_Moss | no, I chowned the dir that the files I'm trying to move off of this NAS |
| 08:36.23 | petern_ | Ok, so is it failing to read files or write files? |
| 08:36.29 | Jeeves_Moss | write |
| 08:37.07 | Jeeves_Moss | I remounted it with the full domain admin name this time |
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| 08:39.31 | Jeeves_Moss | the "odd" part is that some of the files are moving. |
| 08:39.37 | Dixi | Hi guys. |
| 08:39.37 | Dixi | What kind of SMTP software would you suggest, for us to use as an open SMTP server for everyone within our network? |
| 08:40.01 | wakd | Jeeves_Moss, I have seen mc get confused by "move". Maybe copy, then delete. |
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| 08:40.38 | Jeeves_Moss | waka, same result |
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| 08:41.17 | Jeeves_Moss | I think the file premissions and the OS is screwed on this NAS. I can't get better than 80K/sec out of it |
| 08:41.49 | petern_ | I don't think file permissions have anything to do with transfer rate. |
| 08:42.14 | Jeeves_Moss | I know. I think it's all the way around a dead box |
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| 08:42.58 | Jeeves_Moss | I'm going to try to reboot this box and try to clear some of the crap out of it. |
| 08:43.21 | zaph_ | upon aptitude purge nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-driver and aptititude install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-dkms I get an error “Error! DKMS tree already comtains: nvidia-current-331.49”, and then dkpg errors |
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| 08:44.06 | zaph_ | I know that it works _once_ when I manually remove the dkms cache, but then on the next update I will have the same error on upgrading again |
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| 08:47.16 | zaph_ | oh and the same goes with virtualbox-dkms , the only other dkms package I’m using. Is this a known bug in the dkms package? |
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| 08:48.16 | obiwandk | morning |
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| 08:49.44 | obiwandk | how do i get started whit helping debian |
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| 08:51.33 | zaph_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dkms/+bug/1098985 this seems to be a bug report on the same issue with ubuntu |
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| 08:58.04 | obiwandk | is there a debian lauchpad |
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| 09:04.18 | FaTony | obiwandk, I don't think so |
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| 09:04.44 | obiwandk | would just love to help and learn |
| 09:05.28 | FaTony | I'm pretty sure there are ways to help documented at debian.org |
| 09:05.45 | obiwandk | ok |
| 09:06.11 | shingouz | also, sit here, listen, learn and when someone asks a question you can answer, help. |
| 09:06.46 | obiwandk | ok is pretty new to debian |
| 09:08.46 | shingouz | obiwandk: if english is not your first language, see if there is a channel for your native language. that would take care of possible language problems |
| 09:09.05 | obiwandk | ok |
| 09:09.24 | shingouz | ...not that it is not ok to have non-native english speakers here... :) |
| 09:10.22 | obiwandk | should learn to focus on one thing at the time |
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| 09:21.01 | ffog | what role does gvfs play in debian? I'm not using gnome |
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| 09:21.23 | Knaldgas | Hmm, I got "REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED" on ssh connection between two servers, and no ssh keys have been changed. I believe the router might be involved in this, but how should I proceed investigating this? |
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| 09:21.41 | Knaldgas | The fingerprints do in fact differ. |
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| 09:23.28 | ffog | i see lots of gvfs activity but I don't know what its doing. especially weird gvfs-http stuff |
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| 09:23.37 | petn-randall | Knaldgas: Make sure you don't have a man-in-the-middle attack. |
| 09:24.24 | Knaldgas | petn-randall: Yep, but any hints how to undertake such an investigation? |
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| 09:24.47 | petn-randall | Knaldgas: How many routers/switches/etc are between both machines? |
| 09:24.51 | Knaldgas | I don't belive it is man-in-the-middle though, but I just want to be certain |
| 09:25.26 | petn-randall | Knaldgas: Is this a live system you booted? Sometimes gets me, I forget that it'll have a different host key. |
| 09:26.15 | Knaldgas | I have one router at home (the home server is behind that one), but the production server is on the other side of the Internet |
| 09:26.31 | Knaldgas | No they are two 24/7 servers. |
| 09:26.42 | Knaldgas | And not booting live-images |
| 09:27.40 | Knaldgas | However the Router has booted around the time of the new warning, so I suspect that the router is no longer forwarding SSH ports, even though it is still set up to do so. |
| 09:27.41 | petn-randall | Knaldgas: Do you have other means to access the ssh host? KVM console, etc.? |
| 09:27.54 | Knaldgas | I can access both machines, no problem |
| 09:28.24 | petn-randall | Knaldgas: If the keys don't match up, you might getting forwarded to the wrong machine. |
| 09:28.34 | Knaldgas | I'm at home, so I can access home-server through SSH, and fingerprint is ok, I can access the other server and fingerprint is ok |
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| 09:28.49 | Knaldgas | But from other server back to home server, fingerprint-mismatch |
| 09:29.09 | Knaldgas | So I suspect my ISPs router has "failed" |
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| 09:31.17 | Knaldgas | It claims to do port-forwarding on SSH (and has done so for a long time), but the reboot coincide with the fingerprint mismatch, but how do I confirm this? |
| 09:32.11 | Knaldgas | Confirm that it's the router that does not behave... |
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| 09:34.40 | Knaldgas | petn-randall: Hmm, connection on port 80 goes through alright... Could indicate that port 22-requests are not directed as set up in the router :( |
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| 09:52.00 | petn-randall | Knaldgas: Do you log in via ssh key? If so, you can "ssh -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null root@yourmachine", and then look around what machine that is. |
| 09:52.31 | petn-randall | Knaldgas: Just make sure that you don't have key forwarding enabled (you have to explicitely configure that). |
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| 10:05.19 | no_gravity | when i put a script in /etc/crontab do i have to make sure it doesnt output anything on stderr or is stderr simply discarded? |
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| 10:31.07 | obiwandk | can any one get acses to alioth.debian |
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| 10:33.31 | SynrG | obiwandk: what happened to "i'll just wait"? |
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| 10:33.43 | obiwandk | sorry |
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| 10:34.38 | SynrG | for the benefit of others here, as i indicated on OFTC, it's down. #debian-devel topic says: Broken: Permissions on alioth |
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| 10:35.01 | SynrG | i'm sure they are working to restore service ASAP |
| 10:35.05 | obiwandk | : |
| 10:35.11 | obiwandk | :)cool |
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| 10:35.56 | average | SynrG: what if they had a break-in ? |
| 10:36.08 | SynrG | what if some admin simply typoed a command? |
| 10:36.13 | SynrG | which seems more likely |
| 10:36.24 | average | why is he an admin then |
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| 10:36.40 | SynrG | so, "fire his ass"? |
| 10:36.56 | cybrNaut | how can i test whether the ~/.Xresources file was loaded correctly? |
| 10:37.08 | average | no, but I mean, I can drink an entire bottle of whiskey and hop on a bicycle and ride it in the middle of a high-traffic street.. |
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| 10:37.44 | cybrNaut | nevermind.. found it |
| 10:38.11 | average | cybrNaut: xrdb -load ~/.Xresources afaik |
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| 10:38.33 | cybrNaut | average: well it's actually xrdb -query that shows what got loaded |
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| 10:38.42 | average | cybrNaut: thanks |
| 10:38.59 | petn-randall | Knaldgas: Did you solve the mystery? |
| 10:39.09 | SynrG | speculation |
| 10:39.20 | SynrG | and it's not going to bring alioth back up again any faster. |
| 10:39.27 | cybrNaut | the "xpdf.paperColor" no longer works after upgrading to wheezy |
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| 10:41.59 | no_gravity | When i "wget somehost" from "somehost" i would like to do it via 127.0.0.1 but the request comes from the external ip of the machine. any idea how to change that? |
| 10:42.15 | average | no_gravity: /etc/hosts ? |
| 10:42.56 | petern_ | wget localhost |
| 10:42.59 | no_gravity | average: yeah... im not sure if i like to fuck with /etc/hosts so im evaluating my options right now. |
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| 10:43.13 | no_gravity | petern_: then it will not send the right hostname in the request |
| 10:43.52 | average | no_gravity: then use an intercepting proxy and change it on the fly based on some rules or whatever |
| 10:44.08 | average | no_gravity: socat is your friend |
| 10:44.12 | no_gravity | average: /etc/hosts sounds easier then that |
| 10:44.27 | average | no_gravity: then use /etc/hosts ? |
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| 10:45.27 | petern_ | wget --header="Host: blah" http://localhost/... |
| 10:45.56 | cybrNaut | no_gravity: if you don't want to use socat, there's also a way to map a local port to an external ip-port in your torrc file, if you run tor |
| 10:46.06 | average | petern_ has unleashed the Host header fury |
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| 10:46.28 | no_gravity | cybrNaut: i just added "127.0.0.1 myhost" to /etc/hosts. seems the lightest solution. |
| 10:46.38 | no_gravity | i hope it wont fuck up anything |
| 10:46.46 | petern_ | or do what i wrote ;p |
| 10:46.48 | petern_ | which won't |
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| 10:48.47 | no_gravity | petern_: wow! nice. |
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| 10:49.06 | no_gravity | petern_: in case my solution fucks up anything, i will do that. |
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| 10:53.23 | klide_ | i'm having problems installing wine on headless debian stable |
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| 10:54.50 | average | klide_: ok |
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| 10:55.05 | klide_ | i can install it, but when i run wine, nothing happens |
| 10:55.17 | klide_ | apparently it creates a "wrapper" script in /usr/bin/wine which doesn't do anything |
| 10:55.32 | klide_ | i can't wine --version, or wine --help... this is a fresh debian stable install and i just did apt-get install wine... |
| 10:55.34 | average | klide_: do you know what *is* supposed to happen, in order to be able to discern/evaluate that the wrong/right thing happens ? |
| 10:55.35 | esto | im trying to install brtfs tools in jessie but doesnt appear in apt |
| 10:55.51 | esto | what could be the problem ? |
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| 10:55.56 | klide_ | average: well, wine --version should output a version. and /usr/bin/wine should be an ELF file |
| 10:56.11 | average | klide_: which of those have you checked ? |
| 10:56.16 | average | klide_: and what results do you get so far ? |
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| 10:57.32 | average | esto: make sure your package list is up-to-date. check packages.debian.org and your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:58.15 | klide_ | average: i read the shell script in /usr/bin/wine. it would have outputted something in xmessage, but i don't have that installed so i just read it in vim. it says to run "dpkg --add-architecture i386" then do update, then install wine-bin:i386, but when i try that, apt-get asks to install over 200 MB of debs, mostly relating to any possible Xorg interactions wine could have |
| 10:58.23 | klide_ | like, libxrandr:i386 or somethin |
| 10:58.26 | klide_ | *something |
| 10:58.59 | klide_ | so it doesn't seem quite right... |
| 10:59.02 | average | klide_: so why not just hit "yes" and see what happens ? |
| 10:59.12 | average | I would do that.. |
| 11:00.05 | klide_ | ok, i'll try, but in the end i really don't want to have hundreds of megabytes of Xorg related wine libs when i don't plan on using Xorg at all |
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| 11:00.45 | average | klide_: then do it on a spare box, or maybe you can get away with a VM |
| 11:01.18 | klide_ | i'll just do it here (i can always apt-get purge if i need to). does debian have any features similar to gentoo's USE flags? |
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| 11:01.37 | klide_ | where i can tell wine that it doesn't need to pull in Xorg related dependencies |
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| 11:03.25 | average | klide_: do you like chroot ? :) I like it |
| 11:03.48 | klide_ | huh |
| 11:03.50 | wols_ | klide_: don't install recommends |
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| 11:04.02 | wols_ | tho that might not catch all X dependencies |
| 11:04.05 | klide_ | wols_: it's not recommends. it says it's required dependencies |
| 11:04.19 | wols_ | then you need to check if there is a "nox" package |
| 11:04.22 | average | I was just reiterating what I said before about doing it in a container of sorts(chroot,LXC,VM..) |
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| 11:04.35 | klide_ | it's not installing *all* X related stuff, so no xserver-xorg... but it is installing 370 or something megabytes of x11 stuff |
| 11:05.10 | klide_ | average: i'm installing it on my computer now, i don't need to test it first, i just don't want to "keep" x11 stuff that i really don't need |
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| 11:06.09 | average | klide_: well, if you use a chroot, everything you install is trapped in the chroot (like Captain Akbar would say "It's a trap!"). So when you decide you don't need it anymore, you can just delete a directory(the jail you made) and you're done. |
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| 11:06.45 | klide_ | true, but i could also 'apt-get -y purge wine-bin:i386 && apt-get -y autoremove' |
| 11:07.04 | average | klide_: of course, you can do whatever you wish :) |
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| 11:07.29 | SynrG | or you could hack the package, drop all the X11 stuff from your configure ... |
| 11:07.41 | SynrG | drop all the deps from debian/control |
| 11:07.42 | SynrG | etc |
| 11:07.55 | SynrG | and have a lovely x11-free custom built wine :) |
| 11:08.08 | SynrG | ... for which you'd be 100% on your own for support :p |
| 11:08.21 | SynrG | (well, upstream may help :) |
| 11:08.23 | average | I was about to say that |
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| 11:08.42 | klide_ | would i be able to compile it on gentoo, then turn it into a deb and send it over? |
| 11:08.46 | average | SynrG: I am under the impression that klide_ is a gentoo-fan, so maybe he has dealt with this before |
| 11:08.50 | esto | average: i have in sources.list only deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 11:08.56 | SynrG | ah. then ... use gentoo? |
| 11:09.04 | average | nothing wrong with gentoo btw, I wanted to read about it, but I don't have enough time |
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| 11:10.13 | klide_ | SynrG: gentoo isn't very good for a "production" machine, which is why i'm using debian (home server) |
| 11:10.15 | esto | and dotna appear |
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| 11:10.42 | esto | and according to https://packages.debian.org/jessie/btrfs-tools |
| 11:10.44 | esto | should appear |
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| 11:11.00 | SynrG | klide_: i see. and the use case for wine on a headless server? (btw, just because its headless doesn't mean it can't run X clients. see 'ssh -X', for example) |
| 11:11.23 | klide_ | SynrG: folding@home is the main reason. to get gpu images working... |
| 11:11.30 | SynrG | ok |
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| 11:11.44 | klide_ | er, gpu "work units", i need wine as a workaround because gpu isn't supported well in linux :( |
| 11:11.47 | SynrG | klide_: is it particularly pressed for space, or do the extra deps just offend you on principle? |
| 11:11.51 | average | doesn't folding@home have a Linux version ? |
| 11:11.55 | average | why do you need wine for all of this ? |
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| 11:12.08 | SynrG | klide_: most users wouldn't find "a few hundred M of deps" a hardship, as modern drives are ~1T or so |
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| 11:12.12 | average | gpu isn't supported well ? are you sure ? |
| 11:12.26 | average | I thought it was supported quite well, but be sure how you pick your GFX card.. |
| 11:12.26 | klide_ | average: GPU folding on linux isn't very well supported, but there was a hack that allowed more GPUs to be supported, but it required running the windows version |
| 11:12.34 | average | s/sure/careful/ |
| 11:12.44 | klide_ | SynrG: well, both on principle and also for security (more deps = more surface area for attack) |
| 11:12.55 | SynrG | klide_: sure |
| 11:12.57 | klide_ | but i'm not pressed on space, i have ~4 tb |
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| 11:13.29 | SynrG | klide_: for that kind of highly specialized use case, probably building from source is your best bet. |
| 11:14.04 | klide_ | if i have to. i'll see if i can blacklist the deps first |
| 11:14.08 | average | klide_: there are good linux video drivers for quite powerful GPUs. maybe you will want to view your problem as a hardware problem.. |
| 11:14.16 | SynrG | klide_: 'blacklist'? |
| 11:14.34 | klide_ | average: it's a support problem. folding@home doesn't want to release full gpu support for linux until they're sure it'll work flawlessly. |
| 11:14.55 | klide_ | SynrG: doesn't debian have some sort of blacklist where i can put packages i want it to never install? |
| 11:14.55 | SynrG | klide_: e.g. negative apt pinning can prevent recommends from being installed, but a Depends: can't be avoided |
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| 11:15.10 | klide_ | i can't even override depends? |
| 11:15.11 | SynrG | klide_: there is 'equivs' but that gets tricky |
| 11:15.18 | SynrG | !tell klide_ about equivs |
| 11:15.29 | SynrG | and again, when this breaks, you get to keep all the pieces |
| 11:15.41 | klide_ | ah yes, equivs is pretty much exactly what i'm looking for |
| 11:15.51 | SynrG | so if you go that route, best of luck :) |
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| 11:16.10 | klide_ | well, i doubt my wine will break because libxrandr:i386 isn't present |
| 11:16.10 | SynrG | if you have problems with it, do not fail to disclose what you've done when you ask about it |
| 11:16.31 | klide_ | right |
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| 11:17.30 | SynrG | klide_: you talked about reduction of attack surface ... what about increasing the likelihood of seg faulting due to missing deps? |
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| 11:18.42 | klide_ | SynrG: i doubt the deps would ever be used in my situation. if it ever segfaults i'll try to find out what deps are actually needed |
| 11:18.55 | Behi | Hi, why in some preseed.cfg files, the same line appears multiple times? For example, "d-i partman-lvm/confirm boolean true" is repeated two times here: https://github.com/flomotlik/packer-example/blob/master/http/preseed.cfg |
| 11:19.12 | SynrG | klide_: if you like that kind of work. ok. but as i said, i think building from source is cleaner here. |
| 11:19.26 | average | maybe the absence of deps will make the attack surface larger.. |
| 11:19.33 | average | and wider |
| 11:19.36 | SynrG | yes, that's what i was hinting at |
| 11:19.37 | average | have you thought of that ? |
| 11:19.40 | klide_ | i tried to build wine from source on debian once. it was painful, and confusing |
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| 11:19.58 | klide_ | average: how would it make it larger? it would reduce the amount of code that could be run considerably |
| 11:20.21 | SynrG | klide_: start with: apt-get source wine && cd wine-* && dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -b and if that goes well for you ... |
| 11:20.29 | average | klide_: maybe it was the right code that was eliminated... |
| 11:20.33 | SynrG | tailor to suit your tastes |
| 11:20.47 | klide_ | SynrG: that's exactly what i tried. but then again, that was years ago, maybe i didn't know well back then... i'll try it |
| 11:20.56 | average | I, in particular, could not go over Wine and understand it.. it would take decades.. maybe never.. |
| 11:22.06 | klide_ | i think the chances that the extra code is actually beneficial to security is too low to take that chance over removing the bloat |
| 11:22.17 | SynrG | klide_: i understand that in that time, wine is now under new maintainership in debian |
| 11:22.31 | klide_ | much improved? |
| 11:22.55 | SynrG | well, actively maintained now as opposed to sitting around forever rotting ... if you count that as much improved? |
| 11:23.12 | average | klide_: can security be measured by the number of lines run, or not run ? |
| 11:24.00 | average | who knows, maybe you're right |
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| 11:24.09 | klide_ | not measured, but it's a great heuristic |
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| 11:24.40 | klide_ | i mean, i don't install Xorg and the full KDE suite, even though there's always the small chance that headless debian is vulnerable but full desktop debian is not |
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| 11:25.17 | SynrG | klide_: i'm no security expert. i had just thought if an attacker could crash this in a particular way that, if built properly, it could not crash, that might expose new vulnerabilities |
| 11:25.56 | SynrG | klide_: so leaving deps out and substituting them with equivs didn't sound like a solid approach vs. build from source with configure disabling what i don't want |
| 11:26.11 | SynrG | from a security *and* usability standpoint, that is |
| 11:26.12 | klide_ | i think dpkg is pulling in things that are unnecessary, rather than me wanting to remove things that are suppose to be there, but not vital. like, on gentoo and fedora, it doesn't require so much x11 stuff and it works fine and is supported officially |
| 11:26.28 | SynrG | it's not dpkg's fault |
| 11:26.40 | klide_ | it's all other package managers that are at fault |
| 11:26.41 | klide_ | ? |
| 11:27.02 | SynrG | if the binaries are linked against these things, it's not the package manager that cares (except that it must list the deps if the binary is to work) |
| 11:27.15 | klide_ | it's not linked against them i don't think |
| 11:27.28 | SynrG | well, that's for you to find out, then. |
| 11:27.34 | klide_ | indeed |
| 11:28.14 | SynrG | klide_: ah. ldd /usr/bin/wine64 shows nothing X-ish |
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| 11:28.39 | average | I watched some Debconf videos |
| 11:28.44 | SynrG | klide_: maybe you don't need the whole wine metapackage and just can install individual pkgs? |
| 11:28.46 | average | where bearded men talked about wine & cheese |
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| 11:29.14 | average | I can say, I never had wine & cheese(perhaps they refer to special French cheese) |
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| 11:29.26 | SynrG | klide_: e.g. just install wine64 |
| 11:29.59 | SynrG | (or wine32 as the case may be) |
| 11:30.05 | klide_ | SynrG: i need the 32 bit version. wine-bin:i386, but it "requires" things like dbus, and libsystemd-login0 (even though i don't have systemd and wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot poll) |
| 11:30.45 | klide_ | libcursor1 :/ |
| 11:31.01 | Knaldgas | petn-randall: No, mystery not yet solved, but much indicate that the ISP-provided router misbehaves. Even without DMZ or port-forwarding on port 22, something is still answering... If I move the SSH service to port 32 and port-forwards that port, all is fine... |
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| 11:32.06 | klide_ | oh, it does say it wants x11-common too... does the default debian install have install recommends on by default? |
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| 11:32.58 | SynrG | klide_: yes |
| 11:33.04 | SynrG | klide_: on wheezy, btw? |
| 11:33.26 | klide_ | debian 7.4, so yeah wheezy, i believe |
| 11:33.44 | klide_ | how do i disable install recommends for apt-get? |
| 11:33.47 | SynrG | ,v wine |
| 11:33.48 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-7; sid: 1.6.2-8 |
| 11:34.15 | average | do Debian conferences host wine & cheese parties ? |
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| 11:34.24 | average | that's what I understood from debconf videos :) |
| 11:34.44 | SynrG | klide_: apt-get install --no-install-recommends |
| 11:34.50 | klide_ | ok |
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| 11:35.20 | SynrG | klide_: that's for an individual install |
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| 11:35.39 | SynrG | klide_: globally disabling recommends is also possible but is not, er ... recommended :) |
| 11:35.57 | klide_ | right, i won't disable it globally |
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| 11:36.40 | klide_ | aw, --no-install-recommends only removes 5 or so packages :( |
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| 11:36.52 | klide_ | x11-common and everything else is still asking to be installed |
| 11:37.02 | SynrG | klide_: so if you're convinced there's no harm, you can do equivs for those. |
| 11:37.17 | SynrG | klide_: but as i said, this becomes your own support problem now. |
| 11:37.31 | klide_ | alright |
| 11:37.42 | SynrG | klide_: if you really can run without those things, you might consider filing a wishlist to soften those to Recommends |
| 11:37.47 | klide_ | if equivs doesn't work, then i'll give compiling from source a second shot |
| 11:37.53 | SynrG | nods |
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| 11:39.40 | SynrG | average: a certain contingency of DDs, principally French, i think, traditionally hosts one, yes |
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| 11:40.53 | average | SynrG: this is a very good idea |
| 11:41.19 | average | SynrG: they should host more often |
| 11:41.55 | SynrG | average: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf13/CheeseWineBoF |
| 11:43.05 | klide_ | hm, so how do i set custom ./configure flags when using apt-get to build a source package, so it can do so automatically when an update comes out as if it were already a binary package? |
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| 11:44.50 | average | SynrG: that thing is amazing. I should drop everything and just go to one of those |
| 11:44.52 | sandman13 | is the wireless card detected automatically in debian 7? |
| 11:44.59 | average | SynrG: have you been to it ? |
| 11:45.33 | average | sandman13: your question is as broad as can be |
| 11:45.41 | SynrG | klide_: hmmm. you don't? you just apt-get source, apply your patches, then build |
| 11:46.07 | sandman13 | average: how should i ask then? :) |
| 11:46.52 | abrotman | sandman13: "I have foo wireless card, and I'm using Debian X. Shuld be my card be supported? Is it supported at install time?" |
| 11:47.03 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sandman13 about ask |
| 11:47.07 | SynrG | klide_: it may be that certain options are passed to the build via environment variables, but i would not count on "drop these deps from the control file" as being something supported that way |
| 11:47.19 | SynrG | klide_: so minimally you would have to have your patch include that |
| 11:47.46 | average | sandman13: you have to say something like "Hey, is my wireless card with Chipset X, and model Y, supported on Debian Linux ? So far I have checked packages Z,W,R in the distribution and I was not able to find drivers for my card, but mailing list M says that there should be, because someone wrote them" |
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| 11:49.12 | klide_ | SynrG: i'd just not use the --use-x11 flag or w/e it's called, i wouldn't need to patch it |
| 11:49.27 | esto | is there some problem on apt repositories? just found that https://packages.debian.org/jessie/btrfs-tools in not in https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=brtfs-tools |
| 11:49.30 | klide_ | or, i'd supply the --no-x11 flag to ./configure |
| 11:49.40 | SynrG | klide_: debian/control has hardwired some deps. yes, you would need to patch that. |
| 11:50.01 | average | SynrG: could the alioth problem have affected packages.debian.org ? |
| 11:50.02 | abrotman | esto: or a problem with that website perhaps? |
| 11:50.04 | SynrG | otherwise building the package still pulls in that dep |
| 11:50.15 | average | abrotman: ^^ |
| 11:50.34 | abrotman | average: Yes, I can read what you write .. I'm not slow. |
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| 11:50.40 | SynrG | average: unlikely? |
| 11:50.57 | klide_ | SynrG: but if it's compiled from source, doesn't it let me give ./configure custom flags? |
| 11:51.16 | SynrG | average: re C&W BOF, sadly, no. a) i don't drink b) even though i don't, i should've gone for the cheese while at DC10 |
| 11:51.36 | abrotman | esto: also note, you misspelled things |
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| 11:51.51 | abrotman | esto: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=btrfs-tools works much better |
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| 11:52.16 | SynrG | klide_: ./configure is probably automatically called in debian/rules ... there may not be even an explicit call to it. you would need to add an override in there (again, via your patch) to pass whatever you want |
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| 11:52.35 | esto | wow thx abrotman didnt notice the typo |
| 11:52.40 | sandman13 | okay here it goes then: i have a laptop Intel(R) Centrino(R) Wireless-N 130 |
| 11:52.41 | sandman13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.44 | SynrG | klide_: i say this without having examined the package myself, yet ... with certain assumptions about how it is put together. |
| 11:52.47 | abrotman | esto: Have a good day |
| 11:52.55 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sandman13 about firmware images |
| 11:53.42 | abrotman | sandman13: if those don't work, you'd likely just need updated firmware. I think that Wifi card is a couple of years old now though? |
| 11:54.04 | klide_ | SynrG: i know vanilla wine can work fine without x11 by supplying --no-x11, but is debian's wine source any different? |
| 11:54.15 | sandman13 | abrotman: will the wifi work during the installation? |
| 11:54.40 | abrotman | sandman13: I don't know, I don't have that device. That image is a good start (I hope you're using USB drives, and not actual CDs) |
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| 11:55.33 | average | abrotman: in what regard are USB drives better than CDs ? |
| 11:56.01 | SynrG | klide_: it's not that our source is different, but that the way to control the build is via debian/* files. so if you change the parameters of the build, you must change those files. hence, a patch is needed. |
| 11:56.11 | SynrG | klide_: i'm not saying you would patch the upstream source. is that clearer? |
| 11:56.15 | sandman13 | abrotman: is this the iso i have to download for 64bit machine-> firmware-7.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 11:56.24 | SynrG | klide_: you would patch the packaging |
| 11:56.28 | klide_ | oh, yeah i get it |
| 11:56.43 | klide_ | maybe i'd be better off going straight from upstream then |
| 11:56.49 | abrotman | average: you're not wasting plastic? |
| 11:56.52 | abrotman | sandman13: yes |
| 11:57.48 | SynrG | klide_: you could do that, yes. less of a learning curve |
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| 11:57.57 | sandman13 | abrotman: i have already downloaded this: debian-7.4.0-amd64-netinst |
| 11:58.09 | average | but manufacturing integrated circuits for NAND memories causes environment pollution and eventual natural disasters in countries lik Taiwan |
| 11:58.12 | abrotman | sandman13: which does not have firmware, but you can get it to supplement the installer |
| 11:58.19 | SynrG | klide_: however, learning how to modify the debian packaging is a useful skill to acquire at some point :) |
| 11:58.28 | Samouy | Hi all . |
| 11:58.39 | abrotman | average: but it's reusable. Plastic is made with petroleum. CDRs are not reusable. |
| 11:58.53 | abrotman | average: perhaps you'd rather discuss this in #debian-offtopic, you seem to have trouble staying on topic anyway. |
| 11:58.56 | SynrG | klide_: particularly coming from gentoo ... you may find working with debian a frustrating experience if every time you run into an issue like this you have to do builds from upstream source |
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| 11:59.05 | average | abrotman: CD-RWs are reusable, I have used one 40 times |
| 11:59.15 | SynrG | klide_: as then your custom builds no longer participate in the debian system as components |
| 11:59.15 | average | abrotman: ok sorry |
| 11:59.49 | zinx | abrotman: most plastic... plastic doesn't /have/ to be made w/ petroleum, though |
| 11:59.55 | SynrG | klide_: so the deps from things you *aren't* rebuilding aren't satisfied ... |
| 12:00.03 | klide_ | SynrG: that's why i switched from {k,x,l,}ubuntu to gentoo in the first place, the lack of integration with debian... oh well, maybe wine will be the only issue i have |
| 12:00.14 | sandman13 | abrotman: you mean i have to burn two isos? i am getting confused |
| 12:00.14 | abrotman | zinx: I'm aware .. also, offtopic :) |
| 12:00.25 | abrotman | sandman13: the firmware image contains all firmware for wheezy |
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| 12:00.47 | SynrG | klide_: maybe. or maybe you'll learn to accept certain compromises :) |
| 12:00.52 | Samouy | is someone is using systemd here ? |
| 12:00.58 | abrotman | lots of people, why? |
| 12:01.03 | SynrG | klide_: there are tradeoffs with debian, to be sure. |
| 12:01.18 | SynrG | klide_: if you fight the "debian way" all the time, it may cause you a lot of aggravation over time |
| 12:01.29 | Samouy | i want to try to install it but i want to now if all the old services are compatibles with |
| 12:01.48 | abrotman | Samouy: you sohuld read a bit about how to manage it |
| 12:02.08 | Samouy | abrotman, i will |
| 12:02.13 | SynrG | klide_: it's hard to quantify things like "how much of a larger attack surface do i really have? what practical difference in security is there in accepting these extra deps?" |
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| 12:03.14 | SynrG | klide_: i know in *principle*, reduction of attack surface is a good thing, but in the end it may not actually give you enough security benefit to fight it vs. the amount of effort you'll end up putting into it. |
| 12:03.19 | abrotman | Samouy: I am using it, seems mostly okay. Boots faster, had to manage some things that weren't systemd aware or something |
| 12:03.21 | klide_ | it's not just that it's a few extra deps, it's that it wants to pull in x11 itself, just to install one package |
| 12:03.29 | sandman13 | abrotman: that means i have to first install debian then mount the firmware iso? |
| 12:04.12 | abrotman | sandman13: no, it means you can use that firmware image to install Debian |
| 12:04.52 | Samouy | abrotman, have you tried other init before this one? |
| 12:04.59 | sandman13 | abrotman: not burning debian-7.4.0-amd64-netinst but firmware-7.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso to the iso? |
| 12:05.08 | sandman13 | *USB |
| 12:05.14 | abrotman | Samouy: yes, obviously |
| 12:05.19 | abrotman | Samouy: yes |
| 12:05.22 | abrotman | bah |
| 12:05.24 | abrotman | sandman13: yes |
| 12:05.54 | sandman13 | abrotman: okay thanks for the help |
| 12:06.14 | abrotman | sandman13: that's your best bet at this point, we'll see how it works |
| 12:06.40 | sandman13 | abrotman: is downloading the iso |
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| 12:06.53 | abrotman | okay |
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| 12:12.49 | ernetas | Hey guys. |
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| 12:13.08 | ernetas | How do I make init.d scripts respect limits.conf file? |
| 12:13.21 | ernetas | Even after reboot, limits don't get set. |
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| 12:15.01 | ernetas | https://gist.github.com/ernetas/9872013 - my configs |
| 12:15.05 | ernetas | Anyone? |
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| 12:16.48 | SynrG | seems like a bit of an FAQ. 3 times a similar question asked in the past 3 months, and i still don't understand why :/ |
| 12:17.15 | SynrG | er, twice actually |
| 12:17.22 | SynrG | but you would make the third |
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| 12:18.45 | SynrG | hmm, five times counting both OFTC & freenode together. |
| 12:18.51 | taruti | What is the preferred way of using a root filesystem in the installer created custom mkfs parameters that the installer GUI does not support? I can create the FS from the command line, but not seeing how to tell the gui "use that without recreating as /" |
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| 12:21.42 | ernetas | SynrG: and the answer is?.. |
| 12:22.16 | SynrG | 09:16 < SynrG> seems like a bit of an FAQ. 3 times a similar question asked in the past 3 months, and i still don't understand |
| 12:22.19 | SynrG | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.35 | SynrG | ^^ "i still don't understand why" <- missed this bit? :) |
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| 12:22.56 | SynrG | i.e. 5 people asked. and i see no evidence in any of my logs that any of those 5 resolved their problems. |
| 12:23.22 | ernetas | SynrG: oh, ok. I understand now. I thought you meant you don't know why it's a common issue. |
| 12:23.34 | SynrG | i invested significant time trying to help in one of those 5 cases, but found no solution |
| 12:23.50 | SynrG | exactly. i don't know if it's misconfiguration, a bug, or what. |
| 12:24.05 | SynrG | afaik, you do things exactly as in your paste and it should "just work" |
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| 12:24.24 | SynrG | so i'm missing something, clearly :( |
| 12:24.33 | TJ- | ernetas: I think the reason is, "limits.conf" is for pam_limits, and PAM isn't involved in the init system. |
| 12:24.48 | xingu | ernetas: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.resource-control.html maybe? |
| 12:25.18 | SynrG | TJ-: explain your reasoning? logins involve pam |
| 12:25.19 | xingu | ernetas: starting with the probably wild assumption you're using a systemd'd debian |
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| 12:26.13 | TJ- | SynrG: init system doesn't "log-in", it's launched as pid #1 root |
| 12:26.14 | abrotman | SynrG: logins do, scripts run at startup dont ? |
| 12:26.20 | taruti | got it :) |
| 12:26.30 | SynrG | ah, i failed to explain something ... |
| 12:26.42 | SynrG | in all these other cases, people tried to set limits globally |
| 12:26.54 | SynrG | and reported that at login, the new limit wasn't respected. |
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| 12:27.49 | xingu | ernetas: more in http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.exec.html |
| 12:28.15 | SynrG | so even though init doesn't involve pam, logins do. why would the global limit not influence the limits of logins? (and by extension, also any services that are pam-enabled?) |
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| 12:29.57 | xingu | SynrG: large amounts of NIH is the concise answer; init is exec'd by the kernel. |
| 12:30.24 | xingu | the great thing about standards is there's so many to choose from... |
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| 12:31.05 | SynrG | xingu: you have increased my understanding of the mechanism whereby limits.conf is ignored at login, which involves PAM, by exactly 0% |
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| 12:32.36 | ernetas | xingu: yep, that's a wild assumption. |
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| 12:33.04 | SynrG | "something" sets the ulimit -n to 1024. editing limits.conf to globally change it doesn't seem to affect this. |
| 12:33.14 | SynrG | i know the kernel has a default limit of 1024 |
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| 12:33.22 | zinx | SynrG: did you re-login after changing it? |
| 12:33.38 | SynrG | the missing piece is: if logins are pam-enabled, why does globally changing limits.conf not affect it? |
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| 12:34.48 | zinx | also, you may not be able to increase limits in limits.conf, not sure |
| 12:35.08 | zinx | (depends on if login sets them as the user or as the superuser..) |
| 12:35.42 | SynrG | you can increase them manually afterwards by ulimit -n # |
| 12:36.04 | SynrG | zinx: and yes, after relogin, the new limit is not respected. just confirmed. |
| 12:36.19 | zinx | SynrG: dunno. maybe you disabled it in the pam config? |
| 12:36.32 | SynrG | session required pam_limits.so |
| 12:36.38 | SynrG | from /etc/pam.d/sshd |
| 12:36.49 | SynrG | disabled "it" == what? |
| 12:37.01 | zinx | pam_limits.so :/ |
| 12:37.23 | SynrG | this evidence suggests otherwise. |
| 12:37.37 | SynrG | restarting the sshd has no effect on the problem. still 1024 after fresh login |
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| 12:38.10 | zinx | SynrG: what's the line you put in /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 12:38.35 | SynrG | * hard nofile 64000 |
| 12:39.05 | SynrG | or soft. i didn't try this but one user reported the same |
| 12:39.14 | zinx | SynrG: that seems rather large |
| 12:39.18 | SynrG | i haven't at this time re-tested all the permutations |
| 12:39.24 | SynrG | zinx: i am not the one with this need. |
| 12:39.40 | SynrG | i'm a helper trying to understand why several users reported the same issue ... and we still have no answers for this |
| 12:39.50 | melt7777 | I am trying to make my wheezy distro work with a variety of machines and i am looking into the iommu kernel boot flag. specifically, 2 users reported that iommu=soft allowed them to boot. i dont know if we need iommu at all, if we do iommu=off will that provide the most compatibility across amd/intel boards? will this affect the ram that's found? |
| 12:39.51 | SynrG | that particular value is from ernetas |
| 12:39.56 | ernetas | zinx: yep, that seems rather large, but MongoDB requires something large like that... |
| 12:40.10 | SynrG | and at least *one* of the other users was using mongodb as well |
| 12:40.18 | zinx | SynrG: setting the hard limit won't change the soft one |
| 12:40.20 | SynrG | so, this could explain the recent rash of complaints |
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| 12:40.35 | SynrG | zinx: being a good scientist i tried only changing one thing at a time |
| 12:40.35 | zinx | SynrG: you can see the hard one by using 'ulimit -H -a' |
| 12:41.02 | SynrG | ah, got it. this did change it |
| 12:41.05 | SynrG | ulimit -H -n |
| 12:41.15 | zinx | that didn't change it, that just showed it to you. |
| 12:41.15 | tremon | melt7777: I would think it only affects hardware virtualization, but that's a guess more than anything |
| 12:41.39 | zinx | if you want to change the soft one too, then you'll need to add a soft line |
| 12:42.03 | melt7777 | tremon, yeah thats a good point, i'll see if i can use soft and still have love for intels and amds |
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| 12:43.19 | SynrG | zinx: "this" == your advice |
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| 12:43.23 | SynrG | zinx: not the command i typed. |
| 12:43.36 | SynrG | zinx: ulimit -H -n showed me exactly what i wanted to see |
| 12:43.44 | SynrG | i don't care about the other limits |
| 12:43.46 | wols_ | melt7777: iommu isn't needed in any way. it makes the system more secure against DMA attacks and allows you to virtualize pci devices |
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| 12:44.13 | wols_ | melt7777: for compatibility, just turn it off. compile a kernel without iommu support |
| 12:44.17 | SynrG | zinx: so now i can see that with *only* an uplift of the soft limit, and then logout and login again, the new limit upon login is 4096 |
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| 12:44.26 | TJ- | melt7777: If you want to support VMs, then iommum=pt (pass-through) also enabled 'soft' |
| 12:44.32 | doebi | i enabled multiarch, and installed some packages. now i want to disable multiarch but have to purge all packages of that arch. how do i? i removed those who i remmeber |
| 12:44.35 | SynrG | zinx: and now, knowing how to query the hard limit, i can see it is 4096, so the soft limit wasn't increased beyond the hard limit |
| 12:44.47 | doebi | can i somehow list all installed packages for one arch? |
| 12:45.00 | zinx | SynrG: glad to help, hope you have it all solved now :) |
| 12:45.05 | SynrG | zinx: i forget the particulars of the other cases, but failing to recognize that the hard limit needs to be raised for the soft limit to be raised may have been a part of the problem. |
| 12:45.14 | SynrG | zinx: well, we sitll didn't solve ernetas's problem |
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| 12:45.20 | antithesis | Can anyone help me with libvirt? When I run virt-manager, it says it can't connect to the libvirtd daemon because it's probably not running. When I try sudo /usr/sbin/libvirtd , I get: |
| 12:45.21 | antithesis | 2014-03-30 12:43:48.452+0000: 4635: info : libvirt version: 1.2.1 |
| 12:45.21 | antithesis | 2014-03-30 12:43:48.452+0000: 4635: error : virPidFileAcquirePath:411 : Failed to acquire pid file '/var/run/libvirtd.pid': Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 12:45.28 | SynrG | zinx: in his case, he modified both hard & soft limits. |
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| 12:45.33 | zinx | SynrG: ernetas has no problem. limits.conf isn't for init scripts. |
| 12:46.13 | SynrG | "no problem"? i gather he wants to change the limit, and can't. when did we give him a solution? :) |
| 12:46.31 | sandman13 | abrotman: that didn't work out, do i have to burn firmware*.iso and debian netinstall iso separately? |
| 12:46.34 | zinx | if he wants to change init script limits, he can do so in the init scripts :/ |
| 12:46.49 | zinx | there's generally absolutely no reason that should happen, however |
| 12:47.01 | zinx | (i.e., something is probably being done wrong) |
| 12:47.07 | SynrG | zinx: ... confused by your double-negative ... |
| 12:47.09 | zinx | without more information, we can never know |
| 12:47.22 | SynrG | oh, no reason it *should* |
| 12:47.43 | SynrG | no reason it should need to be edited in the init script? |
| 12:47.47 | xingu | SynrG: aha... "NOTE: group and wildcard limits are not applied to the root user." |
| 12:47.58 | melt7777 | tj- wols_ thank you fellas, that is exactly the information i was looking for. I appreciate your help greatly. i did read kernel.org docs first by the way but you gave me the real answers :) |
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| 12:48.09 | SynrG | xingu: oh, that's probably *another* part of the puzzle. thanks :) |
| 12:48.14 | zinx | SynrG: no reason init scripts should need limits applied to them |
| 12:48.16 | xingu | SynrG: testing squeeze confirms this to be true; explicit setting for nofile in limits.conf for _root_ rather than wildcard changes outcome. |
| 12:48.23 | SynrG | zinx: gotcha |
| 12:48.44 | SynrG | zinx: but then if mongodb requires this larger open files limit, who should be responsible for ensuring it? |
| 12:48.46 | xingu | s/squeeze/sid/ |
| 12:49.00 | SynrG | xingu: nodnod |
| 12:49.11 | melt7777 | Although, i thought iommu was was mapped memory for devices for systems with over 4gb ram??? |
| 12:49.18 | melt7777 | was what* |
| 12:49.20 | ernetas | Okay, so for hard limits... I solved it by modifying my script and adding ulimits command to the top of init.d. This, obviously, is not a perfect solution, but at least I'm not getting warnings about it. |
| 12:49.38 | SynrG | ernetas: if the service were pam-enabled, it wouldn't have this problem |
| 12:50.10 | zinx | SynrG: mongodb, if it's being started from init |
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| 12:50.39 | SynrG | zinx: see my comment about pam-enabling services? :) |
| 12:50.46 | zinx | SynrG: either in the daemon or the init script (though the init script should not mess with the limit for other scripts) |
| 12:50.51 | xingu | SynrG: for ref: that came from bugid 597225 |
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| 12:51.01 | SynrG | cf. mysql / postgresql ... presumably they are pam-enabled? |
| 12:51.19 | SynrG | xingu: tnx for that ref |
| 12:51.20 | zinx | presumably most programs don't need 64k files open at the same time |
| 12:51.28 | SynrG | heh ,ok |
| 12:52.07 | abrotman | sandman13: or it's too new .. do you have another computer handy? |
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| 12:53.54 | SynrG | zinx: right. pam is about *authentication* so of course things requiring authentication may respect those limits for the logged in 'session' but this is not really a generalized way to influence limits of daemons |
| 12:54.06 | SynrG | so i'm off-base |
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| 12:55.20 | zinx | SynrG: fwiw mysql at least does increase its fd limit, itself |
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| 12:56.12 | _sandman_ | do i have to install extra packages to access internet through LAN cable? |
| 12:56.23 | SynrG | zinx: i see |
| 12:56.26 | abrotman | shouldn't have to |
| 12:56.34 | earthian | Hello everybody. Is there a simple way to make apt-get over a different network interface that is not default route (e.g. wlan0)? |
| 12:57.15 | TJ- | earthian: set a specific route |
| 12:57.23 | earthian | I have wheezy server which has two networks - eth0 which is static server IP address and wlan0 which is connected to another dynamic wlan network (faster). |
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| 12:57.44 | _sandman_ | abrotman: what should i do to get wifi working on debian 7? will the same iso will work? |
| 12:57.57 | SynrG | zinx: thanks. i think i've corrected all my misunderstandings on this topic now, and will be able to help others better in future :) |
| 12:58.02 | earthian | TJ-, but wouldn't this interfere with the server operations? I do not want to suddently loose connection to the server |
| 12:58.51 | abrotman | _sandman_: you probably need a LAN connection, and you'll need the backports kernel and the bakcports firmware .. Can you get a LAN connection? |
| 12:58.59 | TJ- | earthian: Unless you configure apt to use proxies, there is no other way to influence which interface is used other than routing. A more specific route (if you know the target IPs) will be used before the default route |
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| 12:59.57 | earthian | TJ-, ok. I got it. So if I add a static route to use wlan for ftp.uk.debian.org ip, then I am good. right? :) |
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| 13:00.17 | _sandman_ | abrotman: i don't know, i just installed minimum packages |
| 13:00.31 | abrotman | _sandman_: do you have a wire and a place to plug it in? |
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| 13:00.45 | TJ- | earthian: You'll want to ensure that the FQDN doesn't resolve to multiple IPs, or if it does, they're all covered by the routing table |
| 13:00.49 | _sandman_ | abrotman: yes, using it currently on windows 7 |
| 13:01.11 | abrotman | _sandman_: okay, so try it with the Debian box .. plug it in, restart the system, see if you can setup Backports |
| 13:01.15 | abrotman | dpkg: tell _sandman_ about backports |
| 13:01.25 | earthian | TJ-, I think there is only one IP... I just ran "dig" and it returned only one A record |
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| 13:01.37 | TJ- | earthian: Nice and simple then |
| 13:01.49 | earthian | Thank you! |
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| 13:02.10 | themill | note that ftp.uk.d.o can be moved to point to a different machine sometimes |
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| 13:02.57 | TJ- | earthian: To be really clever, you could redirect apt-get via a script so the route is added/removed just before/just after calling apt :) |
| 13:03.47 | earthian | TJ-, thats too clever to be simple. Thanks for the tip anyway ;) |
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| 13:04.51 | _sandman_ | abrotman: what does YOUMIRROR mean? |
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| 13:06.04 | xingu | TJ-: generalise to dns+openstack based signalling plane? :) |
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| 13:16.01 | TJ- | earthian: xingu : something like this (use symlinks in /usr/local/bin/ to also support apt-file, apt-cache, etc.)? http://paste.debian.net/90555/ |
| 13:16.31 | wibby | hi, my bash doesn't do tab completion, ctrl+r, up and down and all these convenient things. it works for root but not for a normal user. why? how do i fix that? |
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| 13:17.45 | wibby | (debian 7.4) |
| 13:17.48 | earthian | TJ-, thank you. wow :) |
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| 13:18.51 | TJ- | earthian: *not tested* but not far off, I don't think :) |
| 13:19.01 | earthian | I will test now ;) |
| 13:20.05 | __marc | hi, is it possible to install firmware in the installer? |
| 13:20.41 | TJ- | earthian: It relies upon "/usr/local/bin" being ahead of "/usr/bin" in the PATH |
| 13:21.49 | wibby | ah, i wasn't in bash, just sh |
| 13:21.51 | wibby | works now |
| 13:22.15 | abrotman | _sguess he found it |
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| 13:30.16 | __marc | i need to install firmware from the installer because after booting i dont even get access to the console |
| 13:30.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell __marc -about firmware image |
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| 13:45.34 | galex-713 | Hello |
| 13:45.42 | galex-713 | Why can’t mplayer read Opus? |
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| 13:46.07 | earthian | TJ-, the script works beautifully! I just got 4MB/s upgrade for some packages over the dynamic network connected to my server's wlan and the static connection was unchanged. the ip route showed the temporary routes appear and then go away after the command was finished :) |
| 13:46.17 | galex-713 | It uses libavformat, and I used avconv to obtain it! Avconv uses libavformat, right? So it should work, right? |
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| 13:48.18 | gargaml | hi |
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| 13:48.59 | gargaml | is there someone who already encountered an issue with shuting down computer with xfce ? |
| 13:49.38 | gargaml | I made a few searches but nothing is working... The interface doesn't provide a button to shut down or reboot the machine |
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| 13:54.57 | abrotman | gargaml: how are you starting X? |
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| 13:56.51 | gargaml | abrotman: I'm n init 5 for X |
| 13:57.01 | abrotman | that's not how it works in Debian |
| 13:58.10 | wols_ | at least, not anymore |
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| 13:58.28 | Ri887 | I have a virtual machine from someone (local) and a lot of commands don't work. "$ifconfig -> bash: ifconfig: command not foun" but it is present in /sbin/ifconfig. What could cause this? |
| 13:58.31 | gargaml | ok I didn't know that |
| 13:58.41 | gargaml | anything to read about this ? |
| 13:58.48 | wols_ | Ri887: normal users don't have /sbin in their path. only root does |
| 13:59.02 | wols_ | Ri887: this is no error but by design. totally normal for debian |
| 13:59.16 | wols_ | gargaml: answer the question abrotman asked: how do you start X? |
| 13:59.54 | Ri887 | wols_: aaah. Thanks. That helped a lot :D |
| 14:00.01 | abrotman | wols_: AFAIK, never has |
| 14:00.05 | abrotman | (not by default anyway) |
| 14:00.19 | wols_ | abrotman: slink times or so I think |
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| 14:00.32 | abrotman | wols_: not that I recall, and I used slink |
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| 14:00.37 | Ri887 | wols_: out of curiosity. How do non root users access ifconfig then? |
| 14:00.44 | gargaml | wols_: I did, I don't know what to say except that init 5 does it for me |
| 14:00.50 | abrotman | Ri887: /sbin/ifconfig .. full path |
| 14:00.56 | Ri887 | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:00.57 | ompaul | gargaml: /sbin/ifconfig (if ifconfig is installed) |
| 14:01.11 | abrotman | Ri887: it's not that you can't access it, it's just not in your default path |
| 14:01.50 | gargaml | ompaul: I get two interfaces eth0 and lo |
| 14:02.21 | ompaul | gargaml: I hope that is not a complaint. |
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| 14:02.52 | ompaul | don't they teach people about loopback these days? |
| 14:03.27 | ompaul | gargaml: you still didn't say how you installed / started X |
| 14:04.31 | ompaul | gargaml: it is not a trick question, it does matter if you want us to help you. |
| 14:04.50 | ompaul | !handbook |
| 14:04.50 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. |
| 14:05.02 | ompaul | gargaml: please read some of that if you won't answer questions. |
| 14:05.28 | gargaml | ompaul: I installed X as a dependency of xfce4 |
| 14:05.33 | gargaml | on a fresh install |
| 14:06.01 | gargaml | with a basic aptitude install xfce4 |
| 14:06.18 | abrotman | gargaml: how do you *start* Xorg |
| 14:07.19 | gargaml | I use slim |
| 14:07.25 | gargaml | to launch an X session |
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| 14:07.33 | abrotman | sounds like he's missing a group |
| 14:07.35 | babilen | Is slim not horribly broken anymore? |
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| 14:08.04 | abrotman | babilen: I use it (oddly, because something is wrong with gdm3/myconfig in jessie) |
| 14:08.18 | abrotman | tries gdm3 again, maybe it's fixed |
| 14:08.27 | babilen | gdm3 works fine in sid, fwiw |
| 14:08.57 | abrotman | babilen: I think it's my config, gdm3 loads, can't actually login |
| 14:08.59 | abrotman | tries agian |
| 14:09.23 | babilen | I just asked because I remember that slim was the one DM that got almost everything wrong about the whole dbus, consolekit and logind trifecta that you could get wrong in the past. Admittedly that was some time ago so it is good to hear that they are back on track. |
| 14:09.37 | gargaml | I added my user to the powerdev group but nothing changed |
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| 14:10.30 | ompaul | ,v slim |
| 14:10.31 | judd | Package: slim on i386 -- squeeze: 1.3.1-8; wheezy: 1.3.4-2; jessie: 1.3.6-1; sid: 1.3.6-1 |
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| 14:11.19 | ompaul | gargaml: from the others comments there I'd suggest you use something other than slim - perhaps xdm or kdm or gdm3 after all it is not running when you get into X |
| 14:11.39 | gargaml | ok, I'm going to try with xdm |
| 14:11.41 | gargaml | thanks |
| 14:11.50 | Nik05 | lightdm? |
| 14:12.04 | ompaul | Nik05: let's prove it works |
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| 14:12.42 | ompaul | gargaml: apt-get install xdm ; dpkg-reconfigure xdm |
| 14:13.04 | ompaul | gargaml: and hopefully you have enough xfce widgets installed to turn it off |
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| 14:16.45 | gargaml | well, actually it doesn't change anything |
| 14:17.00 | gargaml | I can't click on buttons |
| 14:18.14 | ompaul | gargaml: apt-cache search xfce4-* |
| 14:18.15 | Achylles | how do I access my thumb driver without root password? I am using debian testing |
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| 14:18.53 | Achylles | Is there a package for me to install for solving this issue? |
| 14:19.01 | ompaul | Achylles: have you got partprobe installed? |
| 14:19.18 | Achylles | I have gparted |
| 14:19.41 | Achylles | installed, but not partprobe, I think |
| 14:19.42 | ompaul | Achylles: install pmount |
| 14:19.56 | Achylles | and then (...) |
| 14:20.15 | ompaul | Achylles: read all about it |
| 14:20.30 | ompaul | it allows you to do stuff - like pmount - mount removable devices as normal user |
| 14:20.46 | Koma | babilen: |
| 14:20.51 | Koma | sry tabbed |
| 14:20.52 | babilen | Koma: What? |
| 14:21.01 | ompaul | wonders if there is a //really// kind of thing needed in the rfc for irc |
| 14:21.48 | babilen | Achylles: Depends on how you mount it, nautilus should do it for you (if you are in the plugdev group) as should pmount and a bunch of other tools. Pick your poison. |
| 14:21.50 | gargaml | ompaul: pastebin.com/18qJgsfr |
| 14:22.21 | ompaul | gargaml: what does this say xfce4-panel |
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| 14:22.42 | Achylles | babilen, I will check if I am in plugdev group |
| 14:22.45 | MichuPL | hello guys, may i ask you a question? |
| 14:22.50 | ompaul | !ask |
| 14:22.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:23.37 | abrotman | babilen: fail .. |
| 14:24.09 | MichuPL | I'm running Debian wheezy, i have trouble with libboost 1.55, do you have an idea how to install it on wheezy? I want to compile a qt wallet, but theres an error which says that i need libboost1.55. |
| 14:24.23 | Achylles | babilen, I am in plugdev, but still it does not mount as a normal user |
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| 14:24.35 | xunil | wow, just one hit in google: useradd: invalid shell 'bin/bash |
| 14:24.41 | gargaml | ompaul: what do you mean? This package is installed. |
| 14:24.42 | xunil | What does this mean? |
| 14:24.48 | Achylles | I will try pmount as ompaul, have advised me |
| 14:24.49 | abrotman | xunil: use adduser unless you have a good reason |
| 14:25.06 | xunil | ah |
| 14:25.10 | xunil | abrotman: the scm uses useradd |
| 14:25.15 | xunil | abrotman: puppet |
| 14:25.24 | abrotman | xunil: so it probably wants "/bin/bash |
| 14:25.26 | abrotman | " |
| 14:25.33 | xunil | abrotman: does this make sense to want this? |
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| 14:26.00 | xunil | abrotman: is 'bash' correct or '/bin/bash'? |
| 14:26.12 | MichuPL | any idea to my problem? |
| 14:26.14 | abrotman | would think the latter |
| 14:26.15 | ompaul | gargaml: have you clicked on logout? |
| 14:26.42 | ompaul | MichuPL: have you not just installed kde ? |
| 14:26.51 | gargaml | yes and it's not possible to click on buttons |
| 14:27.01 | ompaul | gargaml: none of them? |
| 14:27.04 | gargaml | there is a kind of shadow over themm |
| 14:27.17 | ompaul | gargaml: did it ever work? |
| 14:27.20 | gargaml | I can close the current session |
| 14:27.25 | MichuPL | ompaul: i have nearly clear debian wheezy for user purposes |
| 14:27.31 | gargaml | no it did'nt it's a fresh install |
| 14:27.58 | MichuPL | i am kinda new to linux, still learning commands and others |
| 14:27.58 | babilen | Achylles: When you do what? |
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| 14:29.10 | ompaul | gargaml: CTRL ALT F1 log in as root pkill -u $usernameyouareusing and then have a look at the log on screen - as I don't use xfce4 and have only installed it to test it works I have no experience of it not working, I also note we are not plagued with people saying it doesn't work. With this in mind I'd suggest getting the box to restart and apt-get install xfce4-* and see how far you get |
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| 14:29.40 | ompaul | MichuPL: apt-get install plasma-desktop will install kde with all its features |
| 14:29.41 | Achylles | babilen, did not get your question :( |
| 14:30.04 | ompaul | MichuPL: I don't know I use the packages as given unless they give me a problem |
| 14:30.20 | xunil | abrotman: Found it: missing slash at beginning: /bin/bash not bin/bash |
| 14:31.08 | babilen | Achylles: How are you trying to mount your USB stick? |
| 14:31.14 | ompaul | bobert: are you really uncomfortable with the nick you have? you have changed it four times in 8 minutes |
| 14:31.29 | MichuPL | i dont need kde :) i only need this libboost1.55, i think its the last thing i need to compile this thing |
| 14:31.41 | abrotman | xunil: I said that ... |
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| 14:31.52 | Achylles | babilen, When I click in its icon it asks me for root password |
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| 14:32.10 | MichuPL | i have an x mode in debian and it looks good :) |
| 14:32.24 | ompaul | ,v libboost1.55-dbg |
| 14:32.25 | judd | Package: libboost1.55-dbg on i386 -- jessie: 1.55.0-1; sid: 1.55.0-1 |
| 14:32.26 | gargaml | ompaul: I'm on it |
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| 14:32.37 | babilen | Achylles: Click in which program? |
| 14:32.38 | Achylles | I do not want to mount it like this because I cannot paste, cut, delete things in it as a normal user |
| 14:33.03 | Achylles | using neme in Xfce4 |
| 14:33.06 | ompaul | MichuPL: so that means you need to run jessie or backport it, given what it is the backport may not be compatible with what you are doing |
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| 14:33.22 | ompaul | MichuPL: apt-cache search libboost and see what you have |
| 14:33.24 | babilen | Achylles: I have no idea about that program. How do you start XFCE4? |
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| 14:33.37 | ompaul | MichuPL: sorry that is apt-cache policy libboost |
| 14:33.38 | babilen | Achylles: neme? |
| 14:33.48 | Achylles | babilen, nemo |
| 14:34.51 | Achylles | neme is a nautilus fork that can split views because they took away split views feature from nautilus, so I use nemo |
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| 14:35.32 | babilen | Yes, I am aware of what "nemo" is, but have no experience with it either. Just never heard "neme". So, how do you start XFCE4? And did you just add your user to plugdev? |
| 14:36.11 | babilen | Achylles: I thought the version in wheezy still has that functionality, but okay, |
| 14:36.35 | xunil | yes :) |
| 14:36.42 | Achylles | I start it loging into it through a wdm (and not gdm) |
| 14:37.15 | Achylles | I am im plugdev alread |
| 14:37.42 | Achylles | and I am not using Wheezy |
| 14:37.52 | babilen | Achylles: Mind trying one of the more established DMs such as gdm3, kdm or lightdm? |
| 14:37.53 | Achylles | I am using testing |
| 14:38.17 | babilen | Achylles: Oh, and you want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for testing support |
| 14:38.28 | babilen | (cf. /topic ) |
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| 14:39.32 | Achylles | sorry I thought that I could find some help here :( |
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| 14:40.20 | gargaml | ompaul: it's done but I still have the issue |
| 14:40.38 | gargaml | I'm going to try it again later |
| 14:40.43 | gargaml | thank you anyway |
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| 14:47.12 | nuuroi3 | so basically, |
| 14:47.22 | nuuroi3 | linux people, improve this OS for free, and make software for free |
| 14:47.49 | nuuroi3 | they use their time to make this, and other people gain from this (can use free OS and software) |
| 14:48.17 | AimHere | A lot of Linux people make Linux for money |
| 14:48.25 | nuuroi3 | but when that linux people will be old, nobody will care about them anymore, and they will sad and alone, and die |
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| 14:48.58 | nuuroi3 | nobody will care they used huge amount of their time for other people |
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| 14:49.24 | nuuroi3 | they will be old, sick, and die with pain ? |
| 14:49.37 | nuuroi3 | not receiving even a single "thank you" |
| 14:49.59 | AimHere | Even in the event they're not being paid, presumably they're using up the time so that they end up with the software they were helping create |
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| 14:50.15 | AimHere | The quid pro quo being everyone else's software added to that. |
| 14:50.40 | nuuroi3 | but why do anything, why make linux, or make money, or live, |
| 14:50.49 | babilen | Achylles: So, no #debian-next and you also won't try different DMs? What does "ck-list-sessions" give you? Is libpam-systemd enabled? What does "loginctl list-sessions" and "loginctl session-status <my_session_id>" give you? |
| 14:50.50 | nuuroi3 | if at the end, you will be old sick person, alone |
| 14:51.05 | AimHere | The random dude who packages up libesoterica20-dev for debian probably does it because he uses libesoterica and debian so he might as well |
| 14:51.11 | kyle__ | I've installed oracle's jdk using make-jpkg, but when I try and install things that requrie java, it still wants to install openjdk. How can I get it to see the installed jdk and not install openjdk? |
| 14:51.29 | AimHere | nuuroi3, Also, a lot of free software people make it for money. |
| 14:51.53 | nuuroi3 | AimHere, whats the point of making money? you won't have it after you die |
| 14:52.13 | AimHere | Right. So what's the point of anything then? |
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| 14:52.18 | farn | ##philosophy |
| 14:52.23 | nuuroi3 | AimHere, there is none, thats the point |
| 14:52.24 | farn | or just stop going around looking for channels to troll |
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| 14:53.10 | AimHere | nuuroi3, on that nihilistic tone, you should perhaps quit IRC, and take up something random instead, like machine-knitting, or skydiving, or suicide. |
| 14:53.15 | Achylles | babilen, thx a lot. I have solved the issue with "pmount", as ompaul had adviced me :) > pmount /dev/sdb1 |
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| 14:53.31 | babilen | Achylles: I wouldn't consider that solved |
| 14:54.14 | nuuroi3 | AimHere, suicide sounds like a good option. but it isnt, sure you will be ended, but there will be other people that live, and they are kind of partly you |
| 14:54.22 | kyle__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.26 | kyle__ | damn leading space |
| 14:54.38 | nuuroi3 | kyle__, that space was on purpose |
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| 14:55.12 | Achylles | babilen, why not? |
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| 14:55.18 | babilen | nuuroi3: Do you have a Debian related question we can help you with? |
| 14:55.40 | nuuroi3 | babilen, how to make debian LOOK like win95 gui |
| 14:55.43 | babilen | Achylles: Because the original problem (i.e. you cannot mount in nemo) has not been solved. |
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| 14:55.55 | babilen | nuuroi3: Play elsewhere please |
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| 14:57.21 | Achylles | babilen, Yes. I have to unplug/pug the thumb to see it it automatically works with nemo now. |
| 14:58.49 | babilen | Achylles: I don't understand what that means, but then: If you are happy I am happy. |
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| 14:59.27 | kyle__ | Can you just exclude a dependency when installing via apt-get? |
| 14:59.38 | babilen | kyle__: No, they are dependencies. |
| 15:00.17 | kyle__ | babilen: In the case of, you already have it installed manually, and you're willing to take the risk/clean it up if it breaks. |
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| 15:01.47 | babilen | kyle__: No, you cannot do that with apt-get or aptitude. You could install the packages manually with dpkg, but then: Why on earth would you want that? There are at least ten better ways to go about this and just forcing things like wouldn't be a good solution. It would also come up every single time you use a package manager. |
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| 15:02.58 | kyle__ | babilen: I'm using the oracle JDK on a VM with minmal space. Installing anything at all java-related wants to pull in openjdk and half of x11, instead of using the installed oracle jdk (made with make-jpkg) |
| 15:03.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell kyle__ -about equivs |
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| 15:03.45 | babilen | kyle__: But then some packages depend on OpenJDK and it shouldn't be too much of a problem to just install that in addition to what you have. |
| 15:04.20 | hyphie | hi |
| 15:04.22 | kyle__ | babilen: make-jpkg doesn't actually set everything up proerly, does it? |
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| 15:04.40 | babilen | kyle__: Packages that depend on OpenJDK explicitly and not on, say, java6-runtime have been explicitly packaged that way and I would heed those dependencies. |
| 15:04.44 | kyle__ | I mean, it installs it so you can uninstall cleanly, but doesn't setup the equivs or anything else apt/dpkg relies on. |
| 15:04.51 | kyle__ | nods |
| 15:05.08 | babilen | kyle__: I have no idea, it's been a while since I used java-package as I prefer to use the reference implementation (i.e. OpenJDK) |
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| 15:06.00 | babilen | kyle__: There is just no way I can help you without going into specifics and there isn't a "this will always work" solution. |
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| 15:06.11 | Achylles | babilen, I do not have libpam-systemd installed in my system. Should I instll it? |
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| 15:06.36 | kyle__ | babilen: Not looking for an, "always work" solution. But I understand. |
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| 15:07.06 | babilen | Achylles: #debian-next and provide the output I asked for, but then I decided to stop working on this soon and enjoy the sunshine on my balkony (should have gotten around to it earlier) |
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| 15:08.08 | lycantrophe | Hi. The 10.1 mesa upgrade the other day seems to break some opengl-things for me |
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| 15:08.12 | lycantrophe | Is this the channel for that? |
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| 15:08.20 | xunil | So I set important global variables in /etc/environment. |
| 15:08.21 | babilen | kyle__: Generally speaking: Packages should depend on "meta" packages such as java6-runtime or default-jre (and so on) depending on their needs. These should also be provided by the package built by make-jpkg and if they are not I would consider that a problem/bug in java-package. |
| 15:08.24 | xunil | But they are not exported. |
| 15:08.30 | xunil | Can they also be exported automatically? |
| 15:08.36 | xunil | Or do I need a fancy script hook thing? |
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| 15:09.52 | babilen | kyle__: Some packages might explicitly depend on openjdk-6-jre (or another version) which could have been an error (because the package actually works fine with other JDKs) or intentional (because it does not). It's hard to make that call without knowing which packages are involved and without seeing all their dependencies/recommends (apt-cache show PKG) |
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| 15:14.55 | xunil | I am on ignore list, oh no :( |
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| 15:23.16 | Mr_Queue | Sid broke kde's network-manager this weekend eh? Lil bastard.. |
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| 15:28.23 | hyphie | oh!! |
| 15:28.37 | hyphie | my network-manager is broken too |
| 15:28.42 | hyphie | but I'm using gnome |
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| 15:29.31 | hyphie | so I guess I'm not the only one? |
| 15:30.33 | Mr_Queue | Well I don't know when it broke, after Thursday/Friday.. I upgraded this one this morning. |
| 15:30.44 | Mr_Queue | Haven't really looked into it yet. |
| 15:30.48 | hyphie | dammit |
| 15:30.56 | hyphie | it broke yesterday for me after an update |
| 15:31.02 | hyphie | I reinstalled network-manager and it seemed fine |
| 15:31.12 | hyphie | but I upgraded again this morning, and now I can't get it to work |
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| 15:32.16 | hyphie | /var/log/kern.log says "... NetworkManager[6156]: segfault at 24 ip 000000000046f328 sp 00007fff494cf3c0 error 4 in NetworkManager[400000+106000]" |
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| 15:34.35 | Mr_Queue | Same. |
| 15:34.40 | zigong | Bug report on the network-manager problem : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=742971 |
| 15:34.47 | Mr_Queue | Nice. |
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| 15:35.38 | Mr_Queue | I just did what any lazy person would do. Grabbed a cable that reached the couch.. |
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| 15:38.00 | zigong | Temporary fix from the discussion of the bug report : "I would like to add that downloading the testing-versions of the network-manager (0.9.8.0-5) and modem-manager (0.5.2.0-2.1) from a backup system and manually downgrading restored everything to a working state." |
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| 15:38.23 | hyphie | yup, me too. but I'm cold. I want to browse the internet in my bed. |
| 15:38.34 | hyphie | okay |
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| 15:41.58 | babilen | Mr_Queue: Please note that sid is supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (cf. /topic ) |
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| 15:43.53 | Mr_Queue | babilen: That's, I don't need support. |
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| 15:43.59 | Mr_Queue | babilen: Thanks* |
| 15:44.29 | babilen | Mr_Queue: Well, whining should happen in #dev-null ;) |
| 15:44.47 | vrs | what's the recommended way of adding things to initramfs? I see there are both /etc/initramfs-tools and /usr/share/initramfs-tools, so I'm a little confused here |
| 15:45.13 | doebi | my xorg totally freaks out on yt these days. uses 10-40% cpu JUST for playing video this leds to cpu heating and fan alwAYS on on my notebook, which is totally annoying. i never had that before. think it's since i installed steam. does steam change sth to my gpu settings? |
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| 15:52.05 | zigong | Just performed the downgrade and I confirm it fix the network-manager problem. Temporary fix, but ok while waiting for the corrected package. |
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| 15:56.05 | hyphie | yup, I just did too |
| 15:56.25 | babilen | zigong: fwiw, it seems to be a logind related issues in that some display managers (slim) and others fail to initialise certain services (logind, dbus, ...) correctly. But then, testing/sid is supported in #debian-next (assuming this is about 742950 ) |
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| 16:09.10 | ktos | Hi |
| 16:09.20 | ktos | I have working installtion with swap partion. tell me please, will it boot if I temporary remove swap partition? |
| 16:09.35 | frostschutz | it should |
| 16:09.54 | frostschutz | unless removing that partition also renumbers partitions and you don't use uuids or something |
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| 16:13.06 | sysvalve | anyway, if what frostschutz happens, it sould not be hard to fix |
| 16:13.23 | babilen | frostschutz should never happen! |
| 16:13.25 | sysvalve | *if what frostschutz says* |
| 16:13.48 | ktos | ok, thank you :) |
| 16:14.10 | earthian | !paste |
| 16:14.11 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 16:14.50 | sysvalve | earthian: who pasted? |
| 16:15.25 | earthian | :) |
| 16:15.58 | earthian | Hi there, I have my logs on tmpfs. I get the following errors once in a while; http://paste.debian.net/90597. How do I fix that and do I need to fix that? |
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| 16:16.39 | michael_ | hi |
| 16:17.20 | michael_ | can anyone tell me if its possible to force the version of a bunch of packages at the same time? |
| 16:18.08 | michael_ | I've got myself into a spot of difficulty with by installing a testing package. |
| 16:18.45 | earthian | michael_, every package has it's own version, as far as I know. So forcing all of the to some particular version would be difficult, no? |
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| 16:20.03 | michael_ | I was kind of hoping synaptic would allow me to select each package in turn and select force version before hitting apply |
| 16:20.13 | michael_ | but unfortunately not |
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| 16:21.50 | michael_ | Is there any way out of having a series of incompatible versions of major packages? Like forcing everything to stable? |
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| 16:22.07 | fugutive221 | Hi! |
| 16:23.00 | earthian | !downgrading michael_ |
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| 16:23.36 | michael_ | Um.. |
| 16:23.49 | earthian | I hope that info would help you a bit :) |
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| 16:24.06 | michael_ | Was that the correct command earthian? |
| 16:24.18 | earthian | !downgrading |
| 16:24.18 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 16:24.28 | earthian | dunno :D |
| 16:24.33 | somiaj | earthian: it is also, '!tell michael_ about downgrading' |
| 16:25.02 | earthian | oh! so it also has a specific syntax.. sorry I was not aware about that :) |
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| 16:28.09 | michael_ | hmmm... I hadn't appreciated that I was committing to never returning to stable by installing one testing package |
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| 16:32.04 | wols_ | michael_: if it's not long ago and not many packages you can downgrade manually. most of the time |
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| 16:33.40 | fugutive221 | I want to (cross)compile Mapnik or Tilemill for a Raspberry Pi. |
| 16:33.41 | michael_ | wols_, it unfortunately appears to have effected binutils, cpp-4.7, gcc-4.7, libc6 etc |
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| 16:35.29 | fugutive221 | Could anybody help me with that? |
| 16:36.12 | Nik05 | fugutive221 #raspberrypi #raspbian? |
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| 16:39.51 | wols_ | fugutive221: and ask a specific question. not such a broad general one |
| 16:41.08 | fugutive221 | Ok, sorry for that |
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| 16:46.31 | wols_ | fugutive221: something like "I tried command X and expected Y but got Z" |
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| 16:47.00 | fugutive221 | Ok thanks wols_ :) |
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| 17:05.44 | earthian | Hi there, I have my /var/log on tmpfs with defaults as option in fstab. I get the following errors once in a while: http://paste.debian.net/90597. How do I fix that and do I need to fix that? I would prefer to get the logs rotated and maybe sent by email instead? |
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| 17:07.00 | wols_ | earthian: what are your /var/log permissions? |
| 17:07.11 | earthian | default? |
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| 17:07.26 | wols_ | what actually are they? please look |
| 17:07.32 | earthian | wols_, drwxrwxrwt 5 root root 520 Mar 30 14:45 log |
| 17:07.53 | wols_ | and that is your problem. it seems it should be 0755 |
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| 17:08.32 | sysvalve | definitely. Those are not the right permissions for a logs directory |
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| 17:09.06 | earthian | Do I need to change the permissions in the mount options or the directory? |
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| 17:14.07 | pclov3r | Perhabs somebody can help. I have a RAID0 ssd array , a sperate ssd and a 1tb spinning disk. In the past I've wanted to install Debian onto that ssd but it's lead to bootloader issues. |
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| 17:14.23 | pclov3r | Last time I did it grub didn't install and i was unable to fix it. |
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| 17:14.40 | pclov3r | Any ideas? |
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| 17:16.12 | dondelelcaro | pclov3r: the easiest method to make sure grub will install is to have a smaller raid1 boot at the beginning |
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| 17:16.40 | dondelelcaro | pclov3r: however, modern grub versions are able to install and boot even raid0, assuming you use gpt or similar. |
| 17:16.50 | pclov3r | yeah i'm not wating to instal lit on the raid0 array |
| 17:16.54 | pclov3r | i want ot install it on the sperate ssd |
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| 17:17.15 | pclov3r | last time grub didn't install on it for some reason even tho i told the installer to |
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| 17:17.30 | dondelelcaro | pclov3r: well, then it's pretty simple. Where is /boot on this system? |
| 17:17.31 | RoyK | raid0 is only useul in very special cases :P |
| 17:17.43 | pclov3r | i put on the same ssd |
| 17:17.51 | dondelelcaro | pclov3r: then it should just work |
| 17:17.54 | pclov3r | it didn't |
| 17:17.56 | pclov3r | that's the thing |
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| 17:18.15 | digdilem | raid0's great for speed and non-critical/easily rebuilt data |
| 17:18.16 | dondelelcaro | pclov3r: well, without the precise error, we're unable to help you. I've done lots of similar setups, so I know it can work |
| 17:18.19 | pclov3r | i was able to boot into the system using super grub disk |
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| 17:18.36 | astroduck | Hi! Does anyone verify the packages before they are uploaded to the debian's repositories? |
| 17:18.50 | pclov3r | there wasn't an error |
| 17:18.53 | dondelelcaro | pclov3r: and you're sure that the bios is booting that ssd first, and you don't have any other MBR boot records on any of the other drives? |
| 17:18.59 | pclov3r | when i tired to boot i was left with a blank screen no bootloader |
| 17:19.00 | dondelelcaro | (or gpt boot records)? |
| 17:19.23 | pclov3r | no |
| 17:19.27 | pclov3r | i was thinking of trying again today |
| 17:19.40 | dondelelcaro | pclov3r: a blank screen sounds like it's booting off of something else; grub will pretty much always give you some output |
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| 17:19.53 | pclov3r | i used the boot menu on the bios to boot the drive |
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| 17:20.15 | pclov3r | I do have an ueif system i wonder if that was cuasing a problem maybe |
| 17:20.27 | claudiop | Hi there. I am an arch user, and I am doing a project that involves customizing an GNU/Linux based OS during the installation, but I should not use arch (i need some more long-term-stability) and i was asking myself if is there any debian equivalent to arch-install-scripts, or any way to do what I need |
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| 17:20.59 | pclov3r | I thought about doing a vmware physical install |
| 17:21.08 | pclov3r | and seeing whath appens when i try to boot it |
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| 17:21.14 | pclov3r | so it doesn't know about the other system drives |
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| 17:25.36 | petn-randall | !arch |
| 17:25.36 | dpkg | [arch] a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch Since lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>. |
| 17:25.44 | petn-randall | !arch linux |
| 17:25.44 | dpkg | Arch Linux is an a i686 optimized linux distribution which claims to be minimalistic and fast, has binary and source based package management. http://www.archlinux.org/ #archlinux on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:26.30 | petn-randall | claudiop: What does arch-install-scripts do? |
| 17:26.53 | petn-randall | claudiop: Note that the number of Arch users in here is close to zero, so you'll have to explain a bit. |
| 17:27.04 | pclov3r | so hum |
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| 17:27.22 | pclov3r | in the past it appeard as if the installer didn't want to install grub to the drive even tho it said it did |
| 17:27.46 | petn-randall | astroduck: Verify in what sense? |
| 17:28.03 | claudiop | petn-randall: They create the base system filesystem (/bin, /boot, etc...), and init the repos db's. |
| 17:28.28 | claudiop | With them is quite easy to create a custom install script. How can i do it in debian? |
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| 17:29.27 | petn-randall | claudiop: debootstrap will create a minimal base system for you, is that what you're looking for? |
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| 17:30.40 | claudiop | petn-randall: I don't know, but i'll find out ;) Thanks for your answer |
| 17:30.45 | astroduck | petn-randall: as in, its upto standard and no files are missing |
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| 17:31.02 | astroduck | or can anyone upload it? |
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| 17:31.34 | petn-randall | astroduck: Only Debian developers can upload packages, and they're checked thoroughly before they hit Debian stable. |
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| 17:32.56 | R-Z | i have some issues with getting var/www to work on a debian server |
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| 17:33.07 | astroduck | So if I have a package that I want to be uploaded on debian's repos, I need to contact a debian developer? |
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| 17:33.58 | R-Z | if someone feels like giving me a little help, you can pm me |
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| 17:34.57 | RoyK | !ask |
| 17:34.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:35.14 | R-Z | ah hthanks |
| 17:35.22 | SynrG | astroduck: see nm.debian.org |
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| 17:36.27 | SynrG | astroduck: non-dd/dm contributors need their uploads to be sponsored by a debian developer, yes |
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| 17:37.32 | SynrG | R-Z: also, we're smarter as a group, so tend not to do support in pm |
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| 17:38.34 | R-Z | Well im running 7.4 debian. Im trying to start up a wordpress site on my home server and files such as index.html or index.php in var/www/ cant seem to be possible to open |
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| 17:39.28 | SynrG | R-Z: what happens? any error messages? |
| 17:39.28 | R-Z | i had a working lamp environment before i started the installation of wordpress |
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| 17:39.48 | SynrG | and are you using debian's wordpress package? |
| 17:40.00 | R-Z | apt-get wordpress |
| 17:40.40 | R-Z | for exampel in chrome i get the message that i couldn't connec to ... |
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| 17:42.01 | astroduck | R-Z: I am packaging CERN's cling (based on llvm, clang) as GsoC project. I just read that not all packages should be on debian repositories, so should this one be? |
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| 17:42.17 | SynrG | astroduck: itym SynrG :) |
| 17:42.32 | R-Z | using ip:10000 does bring up the phpmyadmin which i have installed and it seems to work |
| 17:42.33 | astroduck | SynrG: oops ... |
| 17:43.17 | R-Z | but trying to open ip/index.html or any other files/folders in the var/www dont seem to open |
| 17:43.26 | SynrG | astroduck: and i can't answer that question. however, when you file an ITP for it, that's when developers have a chance to state their opinion on that. |
| 17:44.06 | SynrG | R-Z: so you've messed up your apache configuration somewhere ... |
| 17:44.19 | R-Z | yep i kind of feel like it |
| 17:44.43 | SynrG | we thrive on details. so if you can use paste.debian.net and show us your configs, that would be great |
| 17:44.45 | R-Z | so apache.conf is the file to edit for me? |
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| 17:45.05 | SynrG | depends. debian supports enabling/disabling sites & modules through a modular config system |
| 17:45.12 | R-Z | thanks |
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| 17:45.48 | astroduck | SynrG: Should I file ITP before my package is ready to be uploaded? |
| 17:46.07 | SynrG | astroduck: yes. it's a statement of intent. you don't need a package ready at that time. |
| 17:46.11 | R-Z | http://paste.debian.net/90611/ there is my apache2.conf |
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| 17:46.22 | SynrG | astroduck: you'll want to know before you fully invest in the effort to package it whether it's worthwhile |
| 17:46.54 | R-Z | it may look horrrible but im reasonably new to this stuff |
| 17:47.05 | TuxFighter | Hi guys, anyone expierenced problems with the plasma app for network management in jessie ? |
| 17:47.14 | TuxFighter | it won´t show any network details |
| 17:47.15 | astroduck | SynrG: Cool! I will contact my GSoC mentor with this info and will continue as he advices! Thanks for your help :) |
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| 17:47.48 | petn-randall | TuxFighter: jessie and sid are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:48.02 | SynrG | astroduck: no problem. good luck! |
| 17:48.05 | TuxFighter | ah k thx |
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| 17:48.52 | astroduck | SynrG: One more thing, I am reading `Debian's new maintainer's guide` What should I read after that? |
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| 17:49.01 | SynrG | R-Z: which config(s) did you modify? |
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| 17:49.10 | R-Z | let me check |
| 17:49.23 | SynrG | astroduck: #debian-mentors could recommend more reading for you |
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| 17:49.53 | SynrG | astroduck: i have not been through the full process (grandfathered in ... I became a DD back in 1997 before the NM process existed) |
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| 17:50.23 | SynrG | astroduck: that's on OFTC (irc.oftc.net) not here |
| 17:50.48 | SynrG | astroduck: debian-policy may be slightly heavy reading, but i highly recommend you read that |
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| 17:51.40 | SynrG | astroduck: developers-reference is a good read, too |
| 17:51.42 | R-Z | atleast /etc/apache2/sites-available/wp but before i did that, i installed wordpress with apt-get install command |
| 17:51.59 | SynrG | did you enable the site? |
| 17:52.03 | SynrG | a2ensite |
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| 17:53.14 | R-Z | i might have missed that |
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| 17:53.28 | astroduck | SynrG: ok, thanks! Lots of reading to do ... :P |
| 17:53.55 | SynrG | astroduck: as i said, #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net could probably give better guidance. that's a lot to absorb :) |
| 17:54.08 | SynrG | astroduck: they may be able to focus you on the best *next* reading |
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| 17:54.38 | R-Z | a2ensite gave me "Your choises are: default default-ssl wp" |
| 17:54.53 | astroduck | Is it possible to find a sponsor there? |
| 17:55.11 | R-Z | they all seem to be already enabled |
| 17:55.30 | SynrG | a2ensite would list the choices of not yet enabled sites, i think |
| 17:55.39 | SynrG | been a while for me, though :) |
| 17:56.03 | xparanoik | R-Z: ls -lhas /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 17:56.17 | xparanoik | see if there is a symbolic link ponting to ../sites-available/wp |
| 17:56.20 | petn-randall | 'apache2ctl -S' will list all enabled sites. |
| 17:56.29 | R-Z | i chose all of em and i got the message "Error no site found maching default-ssl" but on the other 2 it said that they are already enabled" |
| 17:56.34 | SynrG | R-Z: nope. looking at my own config, i'm wrong about that. it does list already-enabled sites |
| 17:56.41 | SynrG | yeah |
| 17:56.47 | SynrG | fine, then |
| 17:57.02 | SynrG | R-Z: let's see at paste.debian.net your /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/wp then |
| 17:57.04 | SynrG | er |
| 17:57.14 | R-Z | sure |
| 17:57.27 | SynrG | yeah, i got that right (typing paths from memory :) |
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| 17:57.47 | SynrG | you'll notice sites-enabled just has symlinks into sites-available |
| 17:58.35 | R-Z | http://paste.debian.net/90614/ |
| 17:58.40 | SynrG | R-Z: other sources of helpful info are the logs |
| 17:58.44 | R-Z | thats my wp |
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| 18:00.13 | xparanoik | R-Z do you get any error messages with apache2 restart ? |
| 18:02.19 | R-Z | hmm |
| 18:02.46 | xparanoik | service apache2 restart |
| 18:03.05 | R-Z | i do get errors |
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| 18:03.20 | xparanoik | can you paste them as well? |
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| 18:03.38 | R-Z | syntax error on the line 4 of ......sites-enabled/wp |
| 18:03.51 | xparanoik | there you go |
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| 18:04.24 | R-Z | hmm a missing letter s |
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| 18:05.27 | SynrG | R-Z: also although not a syntax error, correct the casing in line 9 |
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| 18:05.52 | R-Z | thanks |
| 18:05.53 | SynrG | R-Z: </Directory> not </directory> |
| 18:05.59 | SynrG | that's just to be consistent |
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| 18:06.20 | SynrG | the apache doc warns that while the directives aren't case-sensitive, the arguments sometimes are |
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| 18:06.36 | SynrG | by being careful and consistent with casing, it will save you grief |
| 18:07.17 | R-Z | now it restarted without errors |
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| 18:07.27 | SynrG | great. and it's contactable again? |
| 18:07.49 | R-Z | well almost |
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| 18:08.18 | R-Z | the website does open, but it doesnt open index.html, isee the site as index of/ |
| 18:08.25 | R-Z | and listing of the fioes that are stored there |
| 18:09.11 | xparanoik | how did the installation with apt break ? |
| 18:09.26 | R-Z | ah now it works |
| 18:09.47 | earthian | what would happen if the server IP address of eth0 would get written into hosts.deny? |
| 18:10.06 | earthian | server has only one active eth0 |
| 18:10.13 | R-Z | everthing seems to work for me now |
| 18:10.16 | SynrG | R-Z: "now"? what changed? |
| 18:10.36 | xparanoik | R-Z next time install a web package from source, it will save you time in the long run since you know exactly what is going on with it |
| 18:10.38 | petn-randall | earthian: You'll probably be unable to connect for most services that adhere to hosts.deny from that IP address. |
| 18:11.06 | earthian | petn-randall, that ip is of the same machine (not remote) |
| 18:11.13 | R-Z | i was kind of desperate and i changed the index.html to Index.html to test out if it would do anything |
| 18:11.20 | SynrG | ah |
| 18:11.52 | xparanoik | R-Z also, your installation version will be lagging because of APT, which is ok with WP since it can update, but with other packages it might leave vulnerabilities open |
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| 18:13.54 | SynrG | xparanoik: either you trust the debian security team or you don't. sounds like you don't. |
| 18:14.55 | R-Z | luckily the serve is for my own private testing purpose |
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| 18:16.07 | petn-randall | xparanoik: I disagree with installing package from source. |
| 18:16.14 | SynrG | i don't agree that "web apps should be installed from source" to stay on top of updates and run secure web apps. |
| 18:16.29 | SynrG | the debian security team treats web apps just like any other piece of software |
| 18:16.45 | SynrG | security issues are taken seriously and patched as needed |
| 18:17.01 | SynrG | by taking web app upgrades *outside* of the normal flow of upgrades, you make it *more* likely an upgrade will be missed ... |
| 18:17.04 | SynrG | not less. |
| 18:17.28 | petn-randall | SynrG++ |
| 18:17.39 | SynrG | i also disagree with "then you know exactly what you're getting" |
| 18:18.04 | SynrG | the debian support community supports debian packages |
| 18:18.10 | petn-randall | There are so many wordpress source installations that are used for spam, it's not even funny anymore. |
| 18:18.16 | SynrG | it does not support all possible things randomly obtained from upstream ... |
| 18:18.32 | SynrG | especially since this one is in debian and is perfectly usable. |
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| 18:19.10 | SynrG | if you leave the debian support community to run source installs, then it's between you and upstream from then on to help you support it. |
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| 18:19.31 | SynrG | maybe that is a personal choice that you're happy with |
| 18:19.38 | SynrG | but you should not impose that personal choice on others here. |
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| 18:21.19 | dokma | My dedicated server where I am root has been up for 248 days without reboot. Is there some good reason to reboot it? |
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| 18:21.36 | petn-randall | dokma: kernel updates? |
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| 18:22.03 | dokma | petn-randall, is there some list where I can see when these occurred? |
| 18:22.24 | xparanoik | petn-randall i am curious as to what your point of view is |
| 18:22.44 | wols_ | dokma: check which kernel you currently run, check what the current debian kernel is and compare |
| 18:22.44 | petn-randall | dokma: /usr/share/doc/linux-image-*/changelog.Debian.gz probably has. |
| 18:22.59 | xparanoik | i use apt for a lot of packags, but for web stuff like phpmyadmin and wordpress i usually do it from source |
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| 18:23.30 | petn-randall | xparanoik: I always try to install the packaged version if available, it saves you a lot of maintenance burden. |
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| 18:25.11 | xparanoik | fair enough. wordpress gets crazy attention from people trying to exploit sites.. so if I can get the latest version, i do |
| 18:25.35 | petn-randall | xparanoik: The Debian security team is usually on top of those problems. |
| 18:25.58 | wols_ | at least more on top than some randomg guy who installed wordpress from source |
| 18:26.12 | xparanoik | i know, but the debian security team isn't gonna backup all my stuff and fix my server for me if it gets broken into |
| 18:26.16 | petn-randall | xparanoik: I just run 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' once a day, no need to read some blogs/web sites/RSS feeds to find out if an update is security relevant or not. |
| 18:26.39 | wols_ | neither do the wordpress folks you download the stuff from |
| 18:26.44 | petn-randall | xparanoik: And the wordpress developers do that for you?! |
| 18:26.58 | wols_ | and you might go onto holidays for a few weeks where you don't update anything. the debian security team doesn't |
| 18:27.17 | xparanoik | no, but there's a natural lag between the release of a wp version and the package from apt |
| 18:27.22 | dokma | wols_, I'm on 3.2.46-1 and seems that the current one is 3.2.54-2 with some urgency=high |
| 18:27.37 | dokma | so I guess I should schedule a reboot for some dead hour of the night |
| 18:27.51 | petn-randall | xparanoik: And you can evaluate if a release is security relevant or not? So you're on the vendor-sec mailinglist? |
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| 18:28.07 | xparanoik | but wp isn't a good example, because you can upgrade it from the dashboard, i was just saying it in general. |
| 18:28.13 | tekkbuzz | dokma: I'm no expert but, I only reboot when doing apt-get dist-upgrade or do-release-upgrade , it's the only time my kernel gets updated. |
| 18:28.28 | xparanoik | also, it helps you understand what is going so for simple stuff like that the person can troubleshoot for herself |
| 18:29.00 | babilen | tekkbuzz: You should make more informed decisions. Run "checkinstall" and reboot when you really have to and restart services as needed. Kernel updates are not the only occasion. |
| 18:29.14 | petn-randall | I don't reboot into kernels on every upgrade, but if there's a high-level exploit I know of, I schedule a reboot of all affected servers. |
| 18:29.16 | xparanoik | petn-randall i agree, i guess this is a matter of opinion and best practices. i am not saying the deb sec team doesn't do a good job, it's just what I do with my servers |
| 18:29.37 | babilen | dokma: The same advice (use checkinstall and make informed decisions) naturally holds true for you too |
| 18:29.56 | SynrG | dokma: i tend to do reboots after updates to point releases just as a matter of course. it gives me confidence that if there were some unscheduled reboot, everything would still be fine on the next boot. |
| 18:30.05 | petn-randall | xparanoik: It is a matter of opinion, yes. I just don't think that there are any advantages that warrant the extra maintenance burden. |
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| 18:30.53 | SynrG | dokma: while being able to boast about uptime is nice, it's not a sufficient reason to avoid a reboot |
| 18:31.44 | SynrG | xparanoik: i have no problem with what you do with your servers. i was just a bit alarmed at you advising other users to do likewise |
| 18:32.08 | SynrG | xparanoik: you *really* need to stay on top of things if you go that route |
| 18:32.13 | xparanoik | well, dude can't troubleshoot an apt install |
| 18:32.14 | SynrG | xparanoik: most users aren't prepared for that |
| 18:32.32 | xparanoik | had he learned how to do something from scratch a) he would have learned b) easier to troubleshoot |
| 18:32.38 | SynrG | "dude" made a typo. apt vs. non-apt wouldn't have helped. |
| 18:32.47 | babilen | SynrG: IMHO a high uptime simply indicates an irresonponsible admin |
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| 18:33.00 | SynrG | babilen: nod |
| 18:34.12 | xparanoik | that's fine, whatever floats one's boat |
| 18:35.38 | xparanoik | imho using apt from start doesn't teach you anything. an installation from scratch doesn't hurt, and makes you a better admin since you know the inner workings of your applications. |
| 18:36.19 | SynrG | xparanoik: this isn't simply about differing equally valid opinions about system maintenance. it's about being cautious advising users to do things that will later get them into trouble if they don't share your sense of dedication. please don't do that. |
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| 18:36.44 | xparanoik | noted. |
| 18:36.53 | petn-randall | xparanoik: Shooting yourself in the foot makes you a better runner because you really learn to use that remaining foot. |
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| 18:38.11 | earthian | Do these logrotate.conf clauses overwrite/conflict each other? http://pastebin.com/wtwj9kRU I want to define olddir for all logs to be in another directory |
| 18:38.30 | earthian | That is do they work like CSS or not? :) |
| 18:38.45 | babilen | xparanoik: And this is a very complex issue that can't boiled down to simple reciped. Taken to its extreme you would be in a position where you run production servers on linux from scratch (an installer doesn't teach you anything) and we should be clear as to what this really is about: An informed administrator that can make informed decisions and is *always* aware of every single problem pertaining to the software stack running on the computer. |
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| 18:40.00 | steinex | goddamn is it annoying that xchat forces you into #debian, diaf xchat-maintainer. |
| 18:40.18 | babilen | xparanoik: I, for one, am neither in the position nor do I have the omniscient view of every single commit and attack vector to handle all of this myself and the Debian track record is pretty good. |
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| 18:41.04 | mtn | steinex: so fix it? |
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| 18:42.14 | xparanoik | all i tried to convey is that blindly using apt doesn't provide same didactic as taking an extra 5min to install it from scratch. and I mentioned web packages in particular, i tend to use apt for everything else for the same reason |
| 18:42.16 | babilen | xparanoik: And let me tell you that manual installations are a *huge* problem in that nobody has time to debug all of those. If you have ever had worked in an environment in which you have customers running twelve different versions of hundred different services and no idea what can be updated (and how?) you are in for a lot of pain. Something like this is hard to orchestrate, debug, maintain and care for. |
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| 18:42.41 | xparanoik | agreed |
| 18:42.47 | SynrG | xparanoik: there is still wide scope for learning a package installed from apt. apt is *only* a starting point |
| 18:43.02 | jelly-home | thinks installing things from scratch is a huge waste of resources, and a way to learn _wrong_ things |
| 18:43.10 | SynrG | it's also the safest starting point for someone who doesn't yet know better |
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| 18:43.26 | SynrG | and for one who has already become an "expert" it shouldn't matter whether they started from apt or source ... |
| 18:43.36 | babilen | xparanoik: Having been in this situation I can tell you that I strongly prefer boxes that are as close to some normal, defined and externally maintained state as possible. Also there are so many other things to spent your time on rather than compiling things that would do a lot more for your security ... |
| 18:43.37 | SynrG | they'll learn equally well from both because of their determination to do so |
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| 18:45.00 | xparanoik | not every deployment is as simple as running apt-get install tho |
| 18:45.41 | xparanoik | and not every application is provided by apt, so having the extra knowledge of how to unzip a folder, create a database, and edit the config.php file can come in handy |
| 18:46.07 | xparanoik | not attacking apt here, i get it that is a good system |
| 18:46.30 | xparanoik | any further discussion is a waste of all of our times, my opinion isn't that important, he can choose to ignore it |
| 18:46.41 | babilen | xparanoik: It should be, and if it isn't then you have to work on that. Tools such as saltstack, puppet, ansible and all the rest allow you to do that and it should be in your interest to keep things as reproducible and maintainable as possible. |
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| 18:47.33 | SynrG | xparanoik: new users can't, in fact, "choose to ignore" opinions which sound good to them but are not soundly rebutted in channel. my worry is that if the other helpers had not intervened, he would have left with a loaded gun and gone off and shot himself in the foot. |
| 18:47.53 | SynrG | they often simply don't have the experience to make that choice for themselves. |
| 18:47.58 | xparanoik | how else do you learn? |
| 18:48.08 | xparanoik | it's a test install on his home pc |
| 18:48.28 | SynrG | kindly refrain from delivering that kind of "learning experience" to our users here. |
| 18:48.29 | babilen | xparanoik: Please note that I am in no way arguing against "An informed and well-educated admin is good" as hopefully made clear early on. There is also a difference in running your personal pet-box and having the time to spend on knowing everything about it and maintaining large numbers of services for multiple customers and codebases. |
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| 18:49.46 | babilen | And yes, please try to advocate Debian's best practices here. This is, after all, #debian and every line of advice should be evaluated in that light. |
| 18:50.03 | xparanoik | okay |
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| 18:54.26 | Vasistha | I would like to define a negating character class that includes both - and ] |
| 18:54.37 | Vasistha | any idea how to make this happen with grep or egrep? |
| 18:54.51 | centrx | Vasistha, Look up "escaping" (\) |
| 18:55.13 | Vasistha | centrx: I've tried escaping, it does not seem to do the trick... |
| 18:55.32 | centrx | Vasistha, You might have to double escape to get through the bash interpolation |
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| 18:56.01 | Vasistha | centrx: it's already a quoted string, so bash is not messing with it |
| 18:56.36 | centrx | Vasistha, Yes it is, bash uses escaping too |
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| 18:57.08 | centrx | "[^\\-\\]]" |
| 18:57.11 | centrx | try it |
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| 18:57.41 | Vasistha | centrx: if I put my regex inside single quotes then bash is not going to mess with it. I'm pretty fluent in bash. |
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| 18:58.36 | centrx | single quotes okay |
| 18:58.36 | Vasistha | I have created a test file like so: echo -e 'foobar\nfoo-bar\nfoo]bar\nfoo[bar\n' >jjj |
| 18:59.02 | Vasistha | no matter what I do I cannot figure out a way to grep for a character class containing -[] |
| 18:59.40 | TJ- | Vasistha: ']' must be first in the list |
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| 18:59.49 | TJ- | Vasistha: And '-' must be last |
| 18:59.56 | Vasistha | TJ-: oh that is a great idea!! |
| 19:00.23 | TJ- | Vasistha: "man 1 egrep" and then "/Character Classes and Bracket Expressions" |
| 19:00.52 | Vasistha | I always thought '-' always had to be first, it never occurred to me it could go at the end. thank you so much! |
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| 19:17.23 | ompaul | noted the use of the phrase "best practices" earlier, just an FYI, that is a bad practice. The only practice you should ever have are good practices, if you have best you have stated there is no improvement, that is a claim you can't ever substantiate. |
| 19:17.51 | ompaul | good practice allows for incremental improvement |
| 19:20.00 | SynrG | nice reminder |
| 19:20.16 | centrx | Is that a best practice? |
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| 19:21.43 | xingu | ompaul: so what you're saying is that like HEAD or sid, it's a movable feast. :D |
| 19:21.56 | average | ompaul: you're quite philosophical about that |
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| 19:36.55 | ompaul | centrx: it is a best one, you can improve on my grammar any day |
| 19:37.07 | ompaul | xingu: got it in one |
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| 19:37.59 | ompaul | average missed me saying .. no I am not philosophical I'm adamant |
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| 19:38.35 | hypfer | uhm.. are there good looking debian t-shirts? I don't really like the ones with only the swirl and "Debian" below it |
| 19:39.24 | ompaul | hypfer: then the answer is you have no taste, or the answer is no when measured by your criteria |
| 19:39.55 | hypfer | ompaul: well.. let me say it in another way: are there t-shirts with.. well.. more complex prints? |
| 19:41.07 | ompaul | hypfer: not many you can search for them try this search images debian beer |
| 19:41.31 | jhutchins | hypfer: The Debian logo and name are pretty much universal to Debian merchandise. |
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| 19:41.46 | hypfer | yeah, thats more like it ompaul :) |
| 19:42.24 | hypfer | I was just looking through the openbsd merchandise and.. well.. in my opinion, they have very talented graphics artists |
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| 19:43.28 | ompaul | I think you lost everyone at the "openbsd" word |
| 19:43.54 | hypfer | probably. but it really looks great |
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| 20:04.28 | earthian | how can I get a url part of wget command in a bash/sh script? |
| 20:05.01 | cast | #bash, also, you'll need to be more descriptive |
| 20:05.03 | earthian | I need that in a fake wget script which does some routing before executing wget with all arguments as they were sent |
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| 20:05.29 | earthian | but yeah... a question better suited for #bash :) |
| 20:05.34 | earthian | thanks! |
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| 20:22.04 | roboman2444 | so... why is wayland all of a sudden in the dist-upgrade? |
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| 20:27.16 | lapache | Hello, do you know how to scroll up in the term while text is printing and bring back bottom? |
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| 20:27.57 | TJ- | lapache: Shift+PgUp/PgDown |
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| 20:28.48 | roboman2444 | lapache, depends on the term umulator |
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| 20:32.40 | lapache | I use Shift+PgUp/PgDown for scroll, but in xterm this always bring me at the bottom while printing text |
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| 20:34.52 | SynrG | lapache: you need to pause screen first |
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| 20:36.44 | eb0t | hey my term variable in debian is set to xterm |
| 20:36.47 | SynrG | lapache: ctrl-s. then shift-pgup/pgdn |
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| 20:36.53 | SynrG | then ctrl-q to unpause |
| 20:37.02 | eb0t | can i just change it |
| 20:37.04 | eb0t | if so where |
| 20:37.30 | eb0t | i tried putting a line in .bashrc...and it still came up xterm even after i sourced the bashrc file |
| 20:37.40 | SynrG | export |
| 20:37.40 | lapache | SynrG: thanks |
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| 20:38.09 | eb0t | but synrG if i export it where will that change occur and will it be permanent |
| 20:38.28 | SynrG | just the shell that sources the .bashrc |
| 20:38.37 | SynrG | export TERM=vt102 |
| 20:38.38 | SynrG | or whatever |
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| 20:39.17 | eb0t | will my debian have facility to cope with me changing the shell to rxvt |
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| 20:39.26 | eb0t | term sorry |
| 20:39.42 | eb0t | im using gnome terminal |
| 20:39.58 | SynrG | "cope"? |
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| 20:40.45 | nodiscc | hi all, I want to be able to boot my (physical) debian install in virtualbox from another os. How would I do that? |
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| 20:41.08 | SynrG | nodiscc: create a vm with raw. see the virtualbox user manual |
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| 20:41.56 | nodiscc | SynrG: basically just tell virtualbox in the other os to use a physical partition as guest disk? |
| 20:41.57 | SynrG | heed the caution about not accessing the same partition from two oses at once |
| 20:42.03 | SynrG | yup |
| 20:42.06 | nodiscc | thanks |
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| 20:51.44 | eb0t | if i put TERM='linux' in .bashrc |
| 20:51.49 | eb0t | and then source it... |
| 20:52.06 | eb0t | echo ?TERM = xterm |
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| 20:52.40 | eb0t | if i export TERM='linux' |
| 20:52.47 | eb0t | then echo term = linux |
| 20:52.59 | eb0t | but when i open a new terminal and echo term = xterm |
| 20:53.18 | eb0t | so it seems i have some kind of enforcement for me to use xterm |
| 20:53.25 | eb0t | any ideas where this is happening |
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| 20:58.13 | tremon | eb0t: do you have a .bash_profile that sources .bashrc? |
| 20:58.44 | centrx | He is using a version of Debian from the future, which happens to contain a bug. |
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| 20:59.01 | tremon | ah, so #debian-next it is? |
| 20:59.05 | eb0t | not in my home directory tremon |
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| 20:59.59 | tremon | eb0t: http://www.joshstaiger.org/archives/2005/07/bash_profile_vs.html |
| 21:00.09 | eb0t | ah i have a .profile file |
| 21:00.25 | eb0t | not a .bashprofile |
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| 21:00.36 | eb0t | thanks tremon ill take a look |
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| 21:00.52 | tremon | not sure if .profile should or should not source bashrc, as it's not bash-specific |
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| 21:02.48 | sysvalve | tremon: then, use .bash_profile |
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| 21:31.10 | SynrG | i don't know about 'best' because that's relative |
| 21:31.15 | SynrG | but rdiff-backup is good |
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| 21:37.35 | klide_ | if i plan to have several computers in my home all run debian the same way for the same purpose, is there a way to make them more "integrated"? like, have one of my computers distribute updates to the others so they don't have to all download the same updates at the same time |
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| 21:38.10 | Arr0way | klide_: run a local apt proxy |
| 21:38.33 | zinx | i'm using apt-cacher-ng myself |
| 21:38.35 | LinuxGuy2020 | I have a mini-itx box I built for use as a NAS box. It has 2 x 1TB 2.5" HDD in it. Its running Debian 7 with Webmin, FTP, SAMBA, minidlna, plex media server. I just re-discovered my internal USB adapter that has an internal port for a flash drive. I'm now thinking of clearing the drives and installing to a 4GB flash drive and partitioning the 2 HDDs as either softraid 0 or 1 and have 100% of the drives available for data. Would this be a |
| 21:38.44 | zinx | some versions of it like to start chewing 100% cpu though :x |
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| 21:39.24 | klide_ | is there a way to do more than that though? i'd like to make the other computers as "dumb" as possible, so they're basically just a CPU. i thought about having them keep / on the network and connected to my "main" computer, but that doesn't look like it'll work out |
| 21:39.27 | cafuego | if you use softraid0 i will come and punch you |
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| 21:40.03 | Roland- | hey anyone knows how I can force utf8 on system/ I mean I get mc with weird layout |
| 21:40.36 | LinuxGuy2020 | klide_: I have my mini-itx box on my home network and it feeds all the machines in the house. I have a full debian repository on it with ftp access. Works great. Very fast installing apps. |
| 21:40.43 | Arr0way | I am trying to monitor the bandwidth usage for a single IP, I |
| 21:40.43 | frostschutz | LinuxGuy2020, doesn't it have external USB ports? if the system is unusable for any reason (botched update, etc.) you can just put the stick in any other box, boot it in a VM and fix it from there... |
| 21:41.00 | Arr0way | am using this https://gist.github.com/Arr0way/59fbf800b6a4a50d9a80 |
| 21:41.12 | Arr0way | it should be working, right ? |
| 21:41.17 | LinuxGuy2020 | klide_: Install ftp on a box and you can set that up. |
| 21:41.34 | klide_ | LinuxGuy2020: would that be only for apt, or for /? |
| 21:42.09 | LinuxGuy2020 | klide_: You want to share for apt/synaptic right? Or data too like movies etc? |
| 21:42.36 | Roland- | export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 fixed |
| 21:42.54 | klide_ | i want to make my other computers just nodes, like in a cluster. i want them to be as dependent on my "main" computer as they can be. so at best, they should just be extra CPU cores, but i know that's not possible, so i'm looking for the next best option |
| 21:43.30 | klide_ | i have considered plan9, but i'm far too familiar with linux to move over |
| 21:43.53 | LinuxGuy2020 | klide_: What do you mean by nodes? You want them dependant on packages and updates? |
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| 21:46.42 | klide_ | maybe i can rephrase my goal so i can explain it better. i have some computers in my house, and i want to essentially turn them into one single computer, with one /, and one kernel, so they could, e.g. load balance (if i give it a very difficult task that doesn't require moving much memory, it could offload it to the other computers on this network) |
| 21:48.06 | LinuxGuy2020 | klide_: no idea. way over my head. |
| 21:48.13 | klide_ | oh |
| 21:48.30 | klide_ | then, is there a way they could all share the same / at least? |
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| 21:48.41 | klide_ | without fighting over locking files and all |
| 21:49.40 | LinuxGuy2020 | klide_: seriosuly doubt it. Sharing root would probably be really dumb idea. |
| 21:49.52 | klide_ | hm |
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| 21:50.23 | cafuego | klide_: that's how super computers work. You could *try* beowulf |
| 21:50.31 | LinuxGuy2020 | klide_: I know apt wouldnt like it when installing updates etc. The lock file would not be available to more than one machine I would think. |
| 21:50.42 | klide_ | cafuego: is beowulf an OS? |
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| 21:50.51 | cafuego | google is your friend :-) |
| 21:50.58 | klide_ | k |
| 21:51.32 | klide_ | LinuxGuy2020: why wouldn't lock files be available? if all files on / were present, then lock files would be too (and over NFS, handle locking or w/e would also be) |
| 21:51.41 | cafuego | However, you'll need to custom build your applications and I doubt that's what you want |
| 21:52.03 | LinuxGuy2020 | klide_: dont know dont care sorry dude |
| 21:52.12 | klide_ | :( |
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| 21:53.01 | klide_ | yes, beowulf is exactly what i'm looking for! |
| 21:53.03 | klide_ | thanks |
| 21:53.29 | cafuego | You cannot run unmodified apps on multiple nodes, so it's not a simple drop-in replacement. |
| 21:53.55 | cafuego | But you can at least read up and get a better idea of the can of worms you're after. |
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| 21:56.36 | klide_ | right. if i have to, i'll modify apps |
| 21:56.46 | klide_ | or at least look into alternatives |
| 21:56.48 | cafuego | uh-huh |
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| 22:47.38 | shawnbon206 | i cant for the life of me figure out where this gmail .desktop is located. i checked both directories specified by the gnome documentation. ?? |
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| 22:54.42 | pakaran | Hi, when running aptitude update, I get lines like W: Failed to fetch xz:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/mirror.rit.edu_debian_dists_jessie_main_binary-i386_Packages: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 22:54.50 | SM0TVI | Question: How do I force the default xsession under debian? |
| 22:55.05 | ScottG489 | If I want more up to date packages the proper thing to do is apt-pinning and now switching to testing or unstable, right? |
| 22:55.09 | SM0TVI | would like to force XFCE as default. |
| 22:55.13 | pakaran | This has happened in the past, and usually seemed to fix itself after a day or so? |
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| 22:57.42 | pakaran | sorry, just saw topic. asking in #debian-next. |
| 22:58.29 | mtn | ScottG489: have you checked out backports? |
| 22:58.53 | sandman13 | how to install missing firmwares in debian 7? i need two of them working -> wifi and nic |
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| 22:59.28 | ScottG489 | mtn: I haven't. Heard of it thoughBeen a while since I had debian on a desktop system |
| 22:59.29 | mtn | sandman13: I always start with the debian networking wiki |
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| 23:00.10 | sandman13 | mtn:: i thought i have to do something with backports |
| 23:00.51 | mtn | ScottG489: you can start here: http://backports.debian.org/ |
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| 23:02.39 | mtn | sandman13: you could use backports to install a newer kernel and firmware, which might help |
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| 23:04.54 | ScottG489 | mtn: Not sure I'm really getting the difference between pinning and backports |
| 23:05.35 | mtn | ScottG489: backports, as the webpage explains, are packages compiled for stable, from testing packages |
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| 23:07.00 | abrotman | sandman13: still here?! |
| 23:07.11 | sandman13 | abrotma: yes |
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| 23:07.24 | sandman13 | ^abrotman |
| 23:07.25 | abrotman | feels .. castrated .. |
| 23:08.01 | ScottG489 | mtn: Yeah what does that mean from a practical standpoint though? If I backport or pin a certain package how does that affect me differently? |
| 23:08.16 | sandman13 | abrotman: too much confusion on what to do |
| 23:08.36 | mtn | ScottG489: pinning installs packages from testing or unstable, which is not the same at all |
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| 23:09.25 | abrotman | sandman13: I thought I told you hours ago to get the kernel+iwlwifi-firmware from backprots? |
| 23:10.24 | sandman13 | abortman: yes you did |
| 23:11.45 | abrotman | and? |
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| 23:12.19 | sandman13 | abortman: lost my internet connection for a while |
| 23:12.39 | mtn | heh, abort man :P |
| 23:13.04 | ScottG489 | mtn: My goal is to have more up to date packages |
| 23:13.19 | abrotman | mtn: it's common for d-bags to use that intentionally .. |
| 23:13.21 | ScottG489 | mtn: seems like I can get more from apt pinning |
| 23:13.23 | mtn | ScottG489: sounds good. check out backports ;) |
| 23:13.34 | mtn | abrotman: that's not nice |
| 23:13.45 | ScottG489 | mtn: backports seem more restrictive |
| 23:14.25 | abrotman | mtn: Don't really care. The people that it comes from intentionally aren't really high on my respect list :) |
| 23:14.30 | mtn | ScottG489: well, if you break things using pinning, at least you get to keep the pieces |
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| 23:19.06 | ScottG489 | mtn: break things? |
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| 23:19.27 | SynrG | ScottG489: packages built for stable are not the same as packages built from *exactly the same source* for testing |
| 23:19.33 | mtn | !frankendebian |
| 23:19.34 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 23:19.36 | SynrG | ScottG489: they end up with deps on the libraries in that release |
| 23:19.50 | SynrG | ScottG489: so installing from testing with pinning will drag in all those libs ... |
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| 23:20.05 | SynrG | ScottG489: this will eventually force upgrades/removals of many things on your system |
| 23:20.07 | ScottG489 | So should I just switch over to sid then? |
| 23:20.16 | SynrG | no. sid is not for users |
| 23:20.21 | mtn | ScottG489: if you have to ask, no |
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| 23:20.36 | SynrG | stable + backports is supportable and relatively trouble-free |
| 23:20.48 | SynrG | stable+testing mix is completely unsupported and asking for trouble. |
| 23:20.54 | ScottG489 | I've been using debian for 5+ years |
| 23:20.59 | mtn | ScottG489: sounds like you really want arch linux or something |
| 23:21.13 | ScottG489 | mtn: lol funny you say that because that's what I just came from |
| 23:21.14 | abrotman | sandman13: please keep it in the channel |
| 23:21.27 | ScottG489 | mtn: And if they actually had an installer I might still be there lol |
| 23:21.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok guys whats the dang app called to pull up my display info in gnome 2 |
| 23:21.29 | abrotman | sandman13: where it says "your mirror" use one of the CDN mirrors |
| 23:21.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | or 3 its installed as well i think |
| 23:21.36 | mtn | ScottG489: well, as you can see, debian doesn't work like that |
| 23:21.40 | abrotman | sandman13: I'd recommend using http.debian.net |
| 23:21.50 | SynrG | ScottG489: any successes you might've experienced in that 5 year period mixing stable + testing/unstable were *luck* |
| 23:21.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | I need to mirror my screens, one is turn sideways and i dont want to move it yet trying to debug an issue |
| 23:22.12 | abrotman | 2 or 3? big difference |
| 23:22.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | my search is not going well on goog wikipedia didnt know what i was talking about.. |
| 23:22.16 | ScottG489 | SynrG: I've NEVER been on stable |
| 23:22.19 | mtn | Eryn_1983_FL: xrandr? |
| 23:22.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | in 2 now, |
| 23:22.23 | ScottG489 | I wouldn't call that luck |
| 23:22.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | i tried mtn |
| 23:22.26 | SynrG | ScottG489: ah, then what are we talking about? |
| 23:22.36 | ScottG489 | SynrG: I've always used sid |
| 23:22.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | i dont know enough about xrandr to get it to move then rotate stuff, and i the man page looked bad... |
| 23:22.47 | SynrG | ScottG489: this is the stable support channel. our assumption was that you were on stable |
| 23:22.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | i saw no mirror option. |
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| 23:22.55 | mtn | ScottG489: then what the heck are you pinning? |
| 23:22.59 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: laptop or desktop ? |
| 23:23.44 | mtn | ScottG489: you definitely implied you were running stable |
| 23:23.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | desktop, |
| 23:23.54 | SynrG | ScottG489: your initial question was that if you wanted more up-to-date packages you proposed that pinning was the "proper" solution rather than updating to testing or unstable ... |
| 23:24.01 | ScottG489 | mtn: Well I've asked here in the past and I've been told that being on sid isn't the proper thing to do and I should look into backports and pinning |
| 23:24.05 | SynrG | ScottG489: it is not the proper solution. stable + backports is. |
| 23:24.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | got a big screen on the wall now and my monitor is sideways on a stand and its a pain to try and correct.. |
| 23:24.20 | ScottG489 | mtn: Sorry, I'm currently on stable but I don't plan on staying here |
| 23:24.54 | SynrG | ScottG489: if you've happily run unstable for 5 years, what drove you back to stable? |
| 23:25.05 | ScottG489 | or I don't plan on using a lot of my daily used applications from stable such as my chat client or web browser |
| 23:25.11 | SynrG | ScottG489: do you have some specific goals in mind? |
| 23:25.24 | SynrG | don't worry about that. there are solutions for those |
| 23:25.26 | ScottG489 | SynrG: Reinstall is what drove me back. I was on arch but I want to give debian a try again |
| 23:25.27 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: if you run gnome/kde I thought their control pannel had a front end to xrandr. There are some gui ones to you can use if you don't want to use the manpage. |
| 23:25.35 | SynrG | ScottG489: ah, i see. |
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| 23:26.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | wel i cant find anything in that drop list so i installed gnome-system-tools |
| 23:26.16 | ScottG489 | I do like arch but I can't do without an installer lol |
| 23:26.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | hope that helps seeshe i just dont like #3 |
| 23:26.25 | SynrG | !mdn |
| 23:26.25 | dpkg | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel (also Icedove and Iceape) are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze and wheezy or in <experimental> for jessie and sid. |
| 23:26.35 | SynrG | ScottG489: ^^ you may be happy with one of those alternatives |
| 23:26.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | annoying darking of page, weird layouts, eewww take my to xmonad home asap once i get my user to login via ad+winbind. |
| 23:26.51 | SynrG | (substitute mentally 'wheezy-backports' for 'squeeze-backports' :) |
| 23:26.57 | sandman13 | abrotman: is sources.list empty at first location /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:27.17 | SynrG | oh, i guess that's still relevant |
| 23:27.29 | SynrG | ,v iceweasel |
| 23:27.30 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 17.0.10esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; jessie: 24.4.0esr-1; sid: 24.4.0esr-1; experimental: 28.0-1 |
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| 23:28.11 | SynrG | wheezy-security has 24 ESR, which is fairly recent |
| 23:28.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | nope |
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| 23:28.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | WTF, why cant i find a tool to work on my monitor why? |
| 23:28.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | what is it called? |
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| 23:28.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | i'll install it if i have to i dont want to use xrandr, it needs to be set to mirror.. |
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| 23:30.52 | abrotman | sandman13: what? it shouldn't be |
| 23:30.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | well now i cant even get back to what i was in before system default has changed |
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| 23:32.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok so there is a system settings icon under preferences.,.. |
| 23:32.42 | ScottG489 | SynrG: How do I find out the backport status of certain packages? |
| 23:32.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | thats brought up the display stuff. wow guy you need to put that like two folders up.. |
| 23:33.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | done seesh... |
| 23:33.29 | sandman13 | checks again |
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| 23:34.47 | mtn | ScottG489: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 23:50.05 | SynrG | ScottG489: as mtn said. also you can query judd bot here on irc, e.g. /msg judd v iceweasel |
| 23:51.00 | abrotman | or use packages.debian.org/iceweasel |
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| 23:54.29 | ScottG489 | I guess what I'll do is backport what I can and pin the rest |
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