| 00:00.32 | crafty1 | I recommend any of the Matrix themes |
| 00:01.09 | IMM0rtalis | shibboleth: my mainproblem was, that i couldn't sent mail TO my server, i played a bit with the zonefile and it worked a short time. but then suddenly not. now the dns-file seems good but i cant receive and send mails |
| 00:03.00 | shibboleth | IMM0rtalis, your dns setup is adequate for email, if postfix is running at that specific ip-address the issue is caused by config/firewall |
| 00:03.42 | shibboleth | crafty1, but there is no settings->screensaver menu in gnome 3? |
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| 00:04.53 | crafty1 | shibboleth: there might not be any longer , I know some DE's it was kinda phased out due to the fact most people aren't using CRT monitors and there's no risk of phosphor burn-in for LCD monitors |
| 00:04.54 | somiaj | shibboleth: I said I do not use gnome3, I gave you a method to look up the info you need. Yes I would assume there are plenty of different gui control pannels |
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| 00:05.38 | IMM0rtalis | shibboleth: for now i did not change the firewall. if i want to sent a mail to something@webvation.de i got "all relevant MX records point to non-existent hosts" could it be that other nameservers have my old entries? |
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| 00:09.36 | bt6 | For some reason the "1" character isn't showing on my computer. Is there a way to refresh my display/fonts to fix this without restarting the computer? |
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| 00:10.09 | IMM0rtalis | shibboleth: if i want to send an email to another mailserver i get this in my log: postfix/smtp[9537]: 6872FB40BAA: conversation with mail.bgstyle.de[91.223.141.104] timed out while receiving the initial server greeting |
| 00:10.24 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: Do you know how to test a mailserver with telnet? |
| 00:11.12 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: no, but i can google this^^ |
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| 00:14.29 | owen1 | i noticed that 'xdg-open foo.text' opens gvim. i want it to be vim. btw, 'echo $TERM' => vim. any ideas? |
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| 00:15.36 | owen1 | also for images, i want png/jpg to open with feh and not image-magic |
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| 00:16.01 | shibboleth | crafty1, somiaj: i dont want to appear obtuse here. i have successfully gotten xscreensaver to work, my reaction is to the total lack of menues/options to select/configure screensavers on wheezy/gnome3 |
| 00:16.51 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: it came in my mind that telnet isn't very usefull if i use this on my own server for testing mail on this server, isn't it? |
| 00:17.26 | ffog | how do I turn off all system beeping? |
| 00:17.46 | ffog | i have it coming through the speakers, and the pc speaker. when i hit backspace in an empty input field. ahhhhhhhh! |
| 00:17.46 | owen1 | also, is there a text file i can edit/view that contain all the default apps? i noticed this file |
| 00:17.59 | owen1 | ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list but i don't think that's it. |
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| 00:18.43 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: Well, it's still valid. telnet localhost 80 |
| 00:19.00 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: It does help if you have a remote server you can bounce the test off of. |
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| 00:19.18 | jhutchins | D'Oh! |
| 00:19.20 | shibboleth | jhutchins, localhost:25? |
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| 00:19.25 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: telnet localhost 25 |
| 00:19.28 | jhutchins | shibboleth: Yeah. |
| 00:19.29 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: hm, i just activated telnet-client on my windows-machine and try it from there |
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| 00:20.03 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: Looks like you're not listening on external 25. |
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| 00:21.01 | jhutchins | Ah, yes you are! |
| 00:21.05 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: with telnet webvation.de 25 i can connect to the server |
| 00:21.40 | jhutchins | So can I. |
| 00:22.07 | shibboleth | IMM0rtalis, and telnet mail.webvatio.de : 25 ? |
| 00:22.10 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: Blocking rdns is going to cause you a LOT of headaches. |
| 00:22.12 | shibboleth | IMM0rtalis, and telnet mail.webvation.de : 25 ? |
| 00:22.20 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: You can score it, but don't block. |
| 00:22.36 | jhutchins | shibboleth: No colon on my version of telnet. |
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| 00:24.11 | IMM0rtalis | i typed "telnet webvation.de 25" and got the answer "220 mail.webvation.de ESMTP Postfix" |
| 00:24.30 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: you'r to fast for me :D what am i blocking? |
| 00:24.56 | jhutchins | You have your mailserver set up to block servers if their reverse DNS doesn't match. |
| 00:25.28 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: That's true for many of the major mail carriers that use multiple senders. |
| 00:25.37 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: hm... how can i fix this? |
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| 00:26.00 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: i think this was the autoconfiguration of "liveconfig" (its an administration-panel |
| 00:26.10 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: All I can tell you without looking it up is it's in the postfix config. |
| 00:26.37 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: Anyway, you are at least listening for mail. |
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| 00:28.00 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: http://paste.debian.net/89377/ |
| 00:28.31 | dmi3on | made it work !!!, infinality !!! i was thinking something wrong with my eyes lol |
| 00:28.53 | jhutchins | If you have the same user name on that server check your mail. Otherwise check your logs. |
| 00:28.59 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: ^ |
| 00:29.18 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: i got a mail "No subject on this test message." |
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| 00:29.34 | jhutchins | Yep. |
| 00:29.42 | IMM0rtalis | how? O.o |
| 00:29.47 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: It had no subject, right? |
| 00:29.55 | IMM0rtalis | yes |
| 00:30.04 | federica | ciao |
| 00:30.09 | federica | !lista |
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| 00:31.01 | jhutchins | federica: Why do italians always do that? |
| 00:31.07 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: how was this possible? i couldn't send me a mail. (i tried it with xxx@bgstyle.de, but i used this before the dns-fix) |
| 00:31.24 | jhutchins | See if you get one from gmail. |
| 00:32.10 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: yes i got this |
| 00:32.37 | jhutchins | Guess we've resolved that then. |
| 00:32.41 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: |
| 00:32.53 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: could it be that it works's but the dns-entries from my test-mail-accounts arent up2date? |
| 00:33.01 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: bgstyle.de has address 91.223.141.104 |
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| 00:33.20 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: could by, why? |
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| 00:34.58 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: bgstyle.de nameserver is ns.namespace4you.de |
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| 00:35.52 | jhutchins | IMM0rtalis: Mail for webvation.de works though. |
| 00:35.59 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: yeah, i haven't checked it. its an a rented webspace... so an other server etc |
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| 00:36.34 | IMM0rtalis | jhutchins: but it could be that the nameserver there isn't up2date because of the 3h retry-time |
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| 00:37.32 | IMM0rtalis | yeah, and now i can finally validate my ssl-cert xD the start of all problems xD (or noticing of the problems) |
| 00:37.37 | IMM0rtalis | yeahaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 00:38.55 | IMM0rtalis | thx @jhutchins (and @shibboleth) |
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| 00:46.55 | msl09 | Hi, is there a way to subscribe to all bugs of a package? |
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| 00:48.33 | centrx | msl09, http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html |
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| 00:49.28 | federica | ciao |
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| 00:49.37 | federica | !la lista |
| 00:50.20 | AnimalFarmPig | Hi, I'm trying to execute a Python script at shutdown. I wrote the script and symlinked it at K01 in rc0.d and rc6.d, but it doesn't seem to run. Any ideas? |
| 00:51.21 | centrx | !it |
| 00:51.22 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 00:51.50 | centrx | AnimalFarmPig, Put it in /etc/init.d and use update-rc.d |
| 00:52.29 | AnimalFarmPig | ahhh... okay, it has to actually be in /etc/init.d? I can't just symlink into the appropriate rcX.d? |
| 00:52.45 | AnimalFarmPig | can I symlink into /etc/init.d? |
| 00:52.51 | jhutchins | federica: Como se dice "list"? |
| 00:53.31 | centrx | AnimalFarmPig, Your symlinks should work presumably |
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| 00:55.09 | jhutchins | AnimalFarmPig: It has to be in the proper initscript format, in /etc/init.d/, and symlinked - preferably using one of the init utilities like rcconf. |
| 00:55.17 | federica | squadra antimafia |
| 00:55.35 | jhutchins | !it |
| 00:55.35 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:56.17 | AnimalFarmPig | jhutchins, oh! right! script is called "shutdownworkers" but when in the rcX.d, it will be called something like "shutdownworkers stop", right? |
| 00:56.32 | AnimalFarmPig | err... with "stop" argument |
| 00:56.44 | jhutchins | AnimalFarmPig: Something like that, yes. |
| 00:57.52 | AnimalFarmPig | hmmm.... |
| 00:58.17 | AnimalFarmPig | afp@SomeServer:/etc/rc0.d$ ./K01shutdownworkers stop |
| 00:58.17 | AnimalFarmPig | Killing workers. Sleeping 10 |
| 00:58.35 | AnimalFarmPig | works when I call it from command line, but doesn't seem to execute at shutdown |
| 00:58.50 | jhutchins | AnimalFarmPig: There's a sample script in init.d |
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| 01:01.12 | Abbott | does the mail program require any setup other than apt-getting mailutils? |
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| 01:05.45 | jetscreamer | 10 years of using linux and i still suck.. go figure. |
| 01:06.22 | shelpe | I've only used it for 2 and you scare me :c |
| 01:06.30 | skytrash | do everything through the terminal for a week |
| 01:06.50 | fraq | ^ |
| 01:07.32 | jetscreamer | i've had to do that before once :) |
| 01:07.47 | fraq | hackathons and CTFs are a good way to stretch your skills |
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| 01:09.42 | T60 | Does anyone know how to register a nick on freenode? I tried /msg nickserv register my_password my_email but it didn't work |
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| 01:11.45 | fraq | about to attempt it using http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup |
| 01:12.24 | T60 | I have already seen that page, and did exactly what it said to tho |
| 01:12.37 | T60 | maybe i need to capitalize REGISTER? |
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| 01:12.39 | ctmjr | did you check your email and #freenode is the right channel for that kind of support |
| 01:13.17 | ski | hm, why is LtCrData spamming me with notices "No variable set!" ? |
| 01:13.21 | T60 | I checked my email, and I think so |
| 01:13.22 | ski | (first one time. then later, six times in a row) |
| 01:13.28 | fraq | worked for me w/ no email check |
| 01:13.40 | T60 | what did you type in exactly? |
| 01:13.46 | fraq | try REGISTER in all caps if you haven't already |
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| 01:14.21 | fraq | well I guess I'll tell him when he comes back lol |
| 01:15.33 | ski | can't recall caps being needed |
| 01:15.52 | ski | (in any case, it's not needed for several of the other NickServ commands) |
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| 01:16.16 | fraq | come to think of it, when I would telnet to IRC servers, I don't remember using caps |
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| 01:16.24 | jetscreamer | fraq: #freenode |
| 01:16.56 | shibboleth | Do you guys get a "main menu" in the upper left corner on gnome/wheezy or just "activities"? |
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| 01:18.28 | viscera | shibboleth: the latter |
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| 01:19.13 | aberlin | Hey, i have basic programming skills and want to join a free software project, is there anywhere a kind of list of free projects needing developers? maybe with the needed skills? lists of interesting projects someone should start someday ...? |
| 01:19.47 | ffog | i hear ppl say it is good to find a project you care about, and then see how you can help |
| 01:19.49 | aberlin | maybe not only debian specific but also general |
| 01:20.10 | shibboleth | viscera, are you to missing any way of configuring the screensaver? |
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| 01:23.19 | viscera | shibboleth: there's a lock screen that kicks in when the screen turns off... but i don't use it |
| 01:23.41 | viscera | shibboleth: so the screen turning off is my screensaver, effectively |
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| 01:24.00 | shibboleth | viscera, but you cant find any settings for it, right? |
| 01:24.11 | viscera | shibboleth: you mean so i can have pretty flying toasters and stuff? |
| 01:24.24 | shibboleth | viscera, yeah |
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| 01:24.33 | viscera | shibboleth: no, but i never like that junk anyway |
| 01:24.43 | viscera | shibboleth: didn't somebody advise you to just use xscreensaver? |
| 01:25.43 | aberlin | ffog: but there are Projects, maybe small projects, only missing one special skill, never heard of a website collecting such information? do you have an idea which channel could know that? |
| 01:25.51 | shibboleth | viscera, sure, im just trying to find out if gnome3 was made by left-handed north koreans or if my install is botched |
| 01:26.03 | viscera | rofl |
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| 01:26.27 | viscera | shibboleth: it ain't botched |
| 01:26.42 | ffog | its a good idea, i haven't heard of that.. perhaps it exists :) |
| 01:26.47 | shawnbon206 | hey. i just did an expert install and its saying there two different kernels for my system, linux-image-3.2.0-4-486 or linux-image-486. theyre the same thing right? |
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| 01:28.01 | shibboleth | shawnbon206, use the latter |
| 01:28.37 | viscera | shibboleth: also: http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/349/990/304.gif |
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| 01:29.01 | shawnbon206 | shibboleth: whats the difference? i used the first one |
| 01:29.02 | shibboleth | viscera, but true |
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| 01:29.41 | shawnbon206 | i went back to the partitioning step :P |
| 01:29.47 | shibboleth | shawnbon206, your kernel wont be upgraded from that specific version |
| 01:30.04 | shawnbon206 | oh not even with dist-upgrade? |
| 01:32.07 | shibboleth | you could always "apt-get remove linux-image-3.2.0-4-486" and "apt-get install linux-image-486" later on |
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| 01:34.36 | aberlin | ffog: FYI: #fsfe got me this , https://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority-projects/, not exactly what i was looking for, but it's interesting |
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| 01:48.16 | _baronK | Can anyone in here help me with a debootstrap issue? |
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| 01:54.28 | shawnbon206 | thanks shibboleth |
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| 01:55.58 | lasers | Question: I have libc6 (2.13-38+deb7u1) on Wheezy. The binary I want to run require GLIBC_2.14 -- What is my best course of action? Upgrading to Testing? |
| 01:57.08 | shawnbon206 | lasers: you could try making a chroot for it |
| 01:57.35 | shawnbon206 | that is if you wantr to keep wheezy |
| 01:57.44 | shawnbon206 | s/wantr/want |
| 01:57.49 | centrx | What are you trying to run that requires 2.14? |
| 01:58.04 | lasers | centrx: ps3netsrv64 |
| 01:58.45 | lasers | shawnbon206: I'll read up on chroot. |
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| 01:59.04 | shawnbon206 | lasers: you can make a jessie/testing chroot |
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| 02:00.54 | fortress_ | hello |
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| 02:01.09 | fortress_ | i would like to set up a chroot jail to run my web browser inside of |
| 02:01.28 | fortress_ | can i just copy the entire root directory into another folder, and chroot into it, then run programs? |
| 02:03.18 | shawnbon206 | you could do that, you can also use the command "ldd" to determine what libraries a program needs to run. |
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| 02:04.04 | fortress_ | excellent, thank you shawnbon206 |
| 02:04.34 | lasers | shawnbon206: It's retrieving/validating/installing packages. We'll see how that goes. :o |
| 02:05.38 | fraq | fortress_: by transferring the entire root directory to the chroot jail, do you mean /var/www for instance? I'm about to deploy a webserver and considering that as well |
| 02:06.32 | shawnbon206 | of course /var/www would need to be in the chroot dir, but it doesnt need to be a copy per se. unless you already have content in there |
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| 02:08.35 | shawnbon206 | lasers: you mean debootstrap i am assuming? |
| 02:09.52 | lasers | shawnbon206: Yessir. |
| 02:10.12 | qdk | How would I go about making sure dhclient does NOT request any IP - what so ever - it might have a client side lease on? I cant find any options for dhclient.conf to ignore the lease file. I cant delete the lease file before dhclient runes... Any ideas? |
| 02:10.40 | lasers | shawnbon206: https://wiki.debian.org/chroot -- I'm doing okay so far? |
| 02:10.42 | qdk | runs* |
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| 02:12.43 | qdk | lasers: I didnt see your question, but debootstrap and chroot is what i just read a guide about... It might help you. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-to-install-debian-using-debootstrap-4175465295/ |
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| 02:14.57 | lasers | qdk: Thank you for the additional guide. +1 |
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| 02:18.16 | shawnbon206 | lasers: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Change_Root#Run_graphical_chrooted_applications |
| 02:21.04 | shawnbon206 | ohhhh ps3netsrv64 isnt a gui app |
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| 02:29.21 | qdk | Anyone know how to make dhclient ignore its leasefile, so it request ANY IP making the dhcpd pick a suited IP... INSTEAD of it requesting its previous, leased, IP... preferable only the first time after a reboot... |
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| 02:30.01 | SirLagz | qdk: remove the leasefile ? |
| 02:30.05 | SirLagz | qdk: from the server |
| 02:30.44 | lasers | shawnbon206: I got it to run just now in chroot! :D Many thanks! |
| 02:30.44 | qdk | SirLagz: The client will still insist on the same IP. :-( because dhclient have its own lease file. |
| 02:30.54 | SirLagz | qdk: remove it from the client too ? |
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| 02:31.38 | qdk | SirLagz: I cant.. Its during PXE-booting. So when i boot the image on a new PC it will try to get the leased IP, which it is denied by the server. |
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| 02:37.06 | SirLagz | qdk: remove it from the server, restart dhcp daemon ? |
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| 02:37.29 | qdk | SirLagz: Yes, the client will still ask for the same IP. |
| 02:37.37 | SirLagz | qdk: it shouldn't if you're pxe booting |
| 02:37.51 | SirLagz | qdk: the client won't know what it's previous IP was if you're pxebooting |
| 02:38.00 | qdk | SirLagz: Well due to that dhclient lease file it will. |
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| 02:38.17 | shawnbon206 | lasers you could try slimming down the chroot now by identifying unneeded packages with deborphan and then uninstalling them |
| 02:38.23 | qdk | SirLagz: It will.. coz the lease file for the client is on the NFS-root. |
| 02:38.34 | SirLagz | qdk: then remove it from the NFS root ? |
| 02:38.43 | SirLagz | and remove the lease from the server |
| 02:38.48 | SirLagz | then restart dhcp server |
| 02:39.01 | qdk | SirLagz: its not an option to make it manually. |
| 02:39.10 | shawnbon206 | lasers: but i am sure the folder is only a couple hundred megs |
| 02:39.11 | lasers | shawnbon206: I was wondering if I should learn how to use vagrant so I can back it up easily (in /home directory) only. |
| 02:39.20 | SirLagz | qdk: make what manually ? |
| 02:39.23 | qdk | SirLagz: I have 100+ PCs that needs the same NFs-image. |
| 02:39.43 | SirLagz | qdk: ok, so the NFS image probably *shouldn't* have a DHCP lease file on their at all then... |
| 02:39.49 | SirLagz | there* |
| 02:40.05 | qdk | SirLagz: I need some argument/config option for dhclient.conf or something to tell it to go fuck itself when it want to ask for a specific IP. |
| 02:40.28 | SirLagz | qdk: why can't you just remove the dhcp client lease file ? |
| 02:40.43 | shawnbon206 | i cant comment on that |
| 02:40.54 | qdk | SirLagz: Coz dhclient creates it 1 sec after? (if I boot a lot of machines at the same time) |
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| 02:41.41 | SirLagz | qdk: so you're using the same NFS root for a whole bunch of machines ? use fstab to create a ramdisk where the dhclient file gets created |
| 02:41.47 | lasers | shawnbon206: Many thanks for deborphan, it removed 3 packages. Not much, but it's the thought that counts. :) |
| 02:42.00 | lasers | (libboost-iostream*) |
| 02:42.03 | SirLagz | qdk: sorry, only just figured out what you're doing |
| 02:42.06 | qdk | SirLagz: I could probably make some lame script that removes the lease file asap after dhclient is done, but that would be putting more shit on shit. |
| 02:42.45 | qdk | SirLagz: That would probably work really well. |
| 02:42.47 | SirLagz | qdk: do they all have different hostnames ? |
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| 02:43.13 | qdk | SirLagz: ill need to make some dynamic hostname fix for it as well. |
| 02:43.21 | SirLagz | qdk: yep. |
| 02:43.30 | qdk | SirLagz: So sshing to it will give me some useful hostname. |
| 02:44.07 | qdk | SirLagz: Im not sure fstab kicks in before dhclient does though. |
| 02:44.10 | peterrooney | lasers: deborphan -a for more packages |
| 02:44.16 | qdk | So making the tmpfs might come too late. |
| 02:44.28 | SirLagz | qdk: it should do. otherwise it wouldn't know where swap was |
| 02:44.43 | SirLagz | though I havn't used NFS booting too much...but worth a shot |
| 02:45.14 | SirLagz | qdk: the other way you could do it is get ip by hostname, and have a script that generates hostname dynamically before getting an IP address |
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| 02:45.51 | qdk | SirLagz: yeah, it does... Just checked the boot screen.. where its stalling at dhclient... I can see local file system, swap and friends are address before. |
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| 02:46.05 | SirLagz | qdk: cool. problem solvered thne ? :D |
| 02:46.07 | lasers | peterrooney: Ah I see. +1 |
| 02:46.08 | SirLagz | then* |
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| 02:46.28 | abrotman | be careful with deborphan, you need to pay attention to the list |
| 02:46.29 | SirLagz | qdk: you're going to run into other issues using one NFS root for many machines though. |
| 02:46.40 | qdk | SirLagz: I wanna do it the other way around... so the MAC controlls DHCP/IP and then the IP controlles the ID/hostname. |
| 02:46.59 | SirLagz | qdk: righto then |
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| 02:47.28 | qdk | SirLagz: Yes, programs stalls when the network drops and /var and /dev are both trashed by everyone. |
| 02:48.04 | SirLagz | qdk: out of curiosity, why are you using one NFS root for lots of machines ? |
| 02:48.58 | qdk | SirLagz: Coz I boot into linux on all unknown PCs connected to the network. |
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| 02:49.15 | qdk | providing they are setup to PXE ofc. |
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| 02:49.34 | SirLagz | qdk: why not use an initramfs so you don't run into these issues ? |
| 02:49.37 | zinx | abrotman: nonsense, how could i possibly need "coreutils", aren't cores a bad thing?! |
| 02:50.15 | SirLagz | qdk: what do you need this linux to do when you boot into it ? |
| 02:50.23 | qdk | And from there i register the hardware, MAC and its assigned a temp. IP... And in some fancy GUI noobies can assign the PC a fixed IP and whatever task it should do. |
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| 02:50.58 | qdk | SirLagz: The tasks could be gameserverhost, webhost, kvmhost, desktop PC.... |
| 02:51.03 | abrotman | zinx: I warned! |
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| 02:51.24 | SirLagz | qdk: and you do *all* of those using the NFS root ? |
| 02:51.41 | SirLagz | qdk: the same NFS root I mean ? |
| 02:51.58 | qdk | SirLagz: initramfs isnt as dynamic... but some year ago I did make cmdline option to either go NFS, making updates perm or just make a tmpfs and copy everything into ram. |
| 02:52.17 | SirLagz | qdk: not having a go at you, but your solution seems very badly engineered. |
| 02:52.33 | qdk | SirLagz: nono, when its assigned a task, a perm and unique root is created for it. |
| 02:52.39 | SirLagz | qdk: ahhhhhhh |
| 02:53.05 | SirLagz | qdk: well in that case, you should use an initramfs initially to get it setup, then when it has it's assigned task, boots from NFS root. |
| 02:53.10 | qdk | But I have to "catch" random PCs to begin with. |
| 02:53.10 | shawnbon206 | lasers: with "deborphan -aP" it will show you the importance of those packages |
| 02:53.19 | SirLagz | i keep misspelling 'its' =/ |
| 02:53.42 | SirLagz | qdk: what pxe server are you using ? |
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| 02:54.31 | qdk | SirLagz: just regular pxelinux, but im switching to ipxe as soon as possible.. ill just have to rewrite some script and shit. |
| 02:55.14 | SirLagz | qdk: sorry, meant DHCP and TFTP server |
| 02:55.35 | qdk | ipxe give me the power do a lot more scripting and DBing at boottime... instead of static, pregenerated files. |
| 02:55.50 | qdk | SirLagz: ISC and .... forget the TFTP. |
| 02:55.54 | qdk | Some multithreaded. |
| 02:55.59 | SirLagz | ah k |
| 02:56.13 | qdk | atftpd |
| 02:56.14 | SirLagz | qdk: was going to suggest using mac based configuration files, but you're already doing that apparently. |
| 02:56.25 | qdk | yeah... its _shit_ |
| 02:56.28 | SirLagz | haha |
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| 02:56.43 | SirLagz | can't be that bad if it works :P |
| 02:56.53 | qdk | Too much have to go through a really crappy tftp server. |
| 02:57.03 | SirLagz | that's why i use dnsmasq |
| 02:57.16 | qdk | Moving it to http will do wonders. |
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| 02:57.40 | qdk | And, as I said, I can do some just-in-time scripting. |
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| 02:58.52 | qdk | SirLagz: When im done ill _only_ need the ipxe boot file from tftp and im done requesting anything from it ever again. |
| 02:59.51 | SirLagz | qdk: my dnsmasq was setup in a similar way |
| 03:00.13 | SirLagz | qdk: dnsmasq is my dhcp/tftp server in one, and i had the pxelinux boot file as well as a configuration file and that's all I needed |
| 03:00.27 | SirLagz | qdk: though I had per machine configuration files, all it did was point the machine to the right root |
| 03:00.56 | SirLagz | qdk: IIRC that is haha |
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| 03:02.50 | SirLagz | qdk: hmm might have a look at ipxe too. looks interesting |
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| 03:03.32 | qdk | SirLagz: Its awesome... I have wintendoes booting from ISCSI targets. |
| 03:03.37 | qdk | through ipxe. |
| 03:03.56 | SirLagz | I don't think I need the functionality of iPXE though haha |
| 03:05.21 | qdk | SirLagz: Well its SOOO nice having a script pulled from http.. Ask the url can point to a script the looks up stuff in a DB and then output the ipxe booing script for the right task... No MAC files and shit laying around... getting old or forgotten. |
| 03:05.48 | SirLagz | qdk: true. You'll have old database entries lying around instead haha |
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| 03:06.35 | qdk | SirLagz: Yeah, but noobs with access to the fancy GUI can clean the right up. ;-) |
| 03:06.59 | SirLagz | qdk: heh true |
| 03:07.01 | qdk | SirLagz: Just implemented the tmpfs solution and it works perfect. Thanks a lot. |
| 03:07.06 | SirLagz | qdk: no problems :) |
| 03:07.29 | SirLagz | qdk: happy to have helped :D |
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| 03:27.54 | sgo11 | hi, a newbie question. if I want to run "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=8192", do I need to mount /dev/sdb1 first? I tried this command after unmounting /dev/sdb1, it gives error "failed to open ‘/dev/sdb’: No medium found". |
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| 03:34.20 | crafty1 | sgo11: can you print the output of fdisk -l run as root |
| 03:35.33 | sgo11 | crafty1, i did that. there is no /dev/sdb. but I am sure that is plugged in physically. I just unmount the /dev/sdb1. |
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| 03:38.25 | dmi3on | fedora had nice feature on shutdown all application and there positions would save, i cant find where to turn it on in debian |
| 03:38.28 | crafty1 | What is the device a USB drive? I belive you but it would be helpful for me to see the pastebin output. |
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| 03:39.26 | crafty1 | If you ran it while mounted it's possible you messed up the filesystem on it. I can't remember , some things I've just done them so many times I don't think about it. I think I don't mount when I use dd |
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| 03:40.15 | kazoo | Why am I reciving a 502 error when trying to exec a pl fiv |
| 03:40.21 | kazoo | File threw nginx |
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| 03:43.25 | sgo11 | crafty1, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/4664152 |
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| 03:46.41 | crafty1 | sgo11: Thanks. From what I can see here the kernel does not recognize the hardware. I'm not sure why that is. Is this a USB drive? If so does it work on other machines? Can you pull it out and put it back. |
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| 03:47.51 | sgo11 | crafty1, thanks for your help. I think I know why. I umount the disk by using gnome-shell GUI. I think that is the problem. I tried again by using sudo umount command. it works fine. anyway. I gotta go. thanks again. |
| 03:48.38 | crafty1 | Ok, well Im glad it works now. |
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| 04:39.47 | owen1 | I noticed that 'xdg-open foo.text' opens in 'gvim'. I want it to be 'vim' instead. btw, 'echo $TERM' => vim. any ideas? Also for images - I want png/jpg to open with 'feh' and not 'image-magic'. Is there a text file I can edit/view that contain all the default apps? i noticed this file ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list but I don't think that's it. |
| 04:44.19 | maroloccio | how to search for packages whose _name_ contains "sed"? |
| 04:44.35 | ArtVandalae | maroloccio, aptitude search sed |
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| 04:45.19 | ArtVandalae | owen1, are you using a desktop environment at all? e.g. GNOME? |
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| 04:46.02 | maroloccio | i am not using aptitude, can it be done with apt or dpkg? aptitude is not even installed |
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| 04:46.42 | Aeiri | `dpkg -l | grep sed` |
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| 04:47.18 | ArtVandalae | owen1, try: ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list -- there you can associate text files with vim |
| 04:47.59 | maroloccio | Aeiri: isn't that only if the pacakge is actually installed (or has been?) |
| 04:48.19 | Aeiri | well yeah true |
| 04:48.29 | Aeiri | you could always go to packages.debian.org and search |
| 04:48.35 | maroloccio | no internet connection |
| 04:48.44 | maroloccio | wanna be able to do this on the underground |
| 04:49.01 | maroloccio | maybe apt-file? something else? |
| 04:49.07 | ArtVandalae | maroloccio, apt-cache |
| 04:49.20 | Aeiri | `apt-cache search sed` |
| 04:51.08 | ArtVandalae | or apt-cache --names-only search sed |
| 04:51.28 | maroloccio | ah-a! --names-only is the *golden* answer! |
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| 04:52.09 | maroloccio | bows in gratitude |
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| 05:27.20 | owen1 | ArtVandalae: I don't use a DE. just a window manager - i3. |
| 05:27.59 | centrx | That was hours ago |
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| 05:33.48 | Aeiri | i3 is the best |
| 05:37.25 | owen1 | yup |
| 05:38.01 | NotJimCarrey | since a recent reboot, ifuo wlan0 errors with "Failed to load p80211.ko" Error occurs with both ar9285 and rtl8191su |
| 05:38.32 | wols | new kernel? does the p80211.ko file exist on disk? |
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| 05:39.02 | owen1 | centrx: since i don't use a desktop environment i don't get notifications from weechat. i wrote a little app that listens to the logs and email me when someone mentions my name, but it gets annoying sometimes when i get too many emails. |
| 05:39.09 | owen1 | not sure how to solve this.. |
| 05:39.23 | NotJimCarrey | yeah, new kernel, but rebooting to old kernel gives same error now |
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| 05:39.36 | centrx | owen1, I use fbpanel, not sure how you would do it in a tiling window manager |
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| 05:41.26 | dcmg | by the time you get a WM like that set up properly for a user though, you may as well have used lxde or something. |
| 05:41.54 | NotJimCarrey | wols: and no p80211.ko in /lib/modules/ |
| 05:42.10 | dcmg | you could probably sepnd 20 years trying to tweak openbox... and end up with lxde |
| 05:42.23 | wols | NotJimCarrey: modprobe it, then load the wlan chip module afterwards |
| 05:42.38 | wols | NotJimCarrey: also run "depmod -a" (as root) beforehand |
| 05:43.50 | owen1 | centrx: i guess i can send messages to the panel that comes with i3! |
| 05:43.56 | owen1 | that's a great idea |
| 05:44.34 | dcmg | did you even get your file manager to automount USB ? |
| 05:44.39 | dcmg | haha, anyway |
| 05:45.07 | owen1 | i just run dmesg and based on the output use the mount command. i wonder if there is a better way. |
| 05:45.14 | dcmg | that is not a system, that is just xorg with a terminal and a web browser |
| 05:45.44 | dcmg | you have to plan out the whole thing, to actually work, which is fine. but there is a _lot_ to deal with it |
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| 05:46.22 | dcmg | owen1: sure there are much easier ways |
| 05:46.28 | owen1 | NO WAY (: |
| 05:46.31 | dcmg | and you cant expect your grandma to use the mount command |
| 05:46.44 | NotJimCarrey | wols: not found. wifi modules loaded are mac80211, cfg80211, ath9k, ath9k_common, r8712u, ath9k_hw, & ath |
| 05:46.51 | dcmg | but she could probably use ``udisks'' which i swhat file managers generally use to automount USB |
| 05:46.52 | owen1 | she can't touch my laptop anyway. it's dvorak |
| 05:47.05 | dcmg | lol |
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| 05:47.26 | owen1 | dvorak + i3 = nobody messes with me |
| 05:47.32 | dcmg | anyway, I am just putting into perspective how useless the system is, unless you design it up to be more |
| 05:47.44 | owen1 | sorry, what system? |
| 05:48.17 | dcmg | any system |
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| 05:48.31 | dcmg | you probably can not even copy+paste from the console |
| 05:48.48 | dcmg | im just saying, a base GNU /linux install is a looong way from being done |
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| 05:49.25 | owen1 | i use xterm. i copy with the mouse and paste with middle click or shift+insert. is that what u mean? |
| 05:49.39 | dcmg | well, sure that works, but it does not work in the console |
| 05:49.50 | owen1 | dcmg: can u define console? tty? |
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| 05:50.31 | dcmg | I'm sorry has the definition changed in the last 30 years? |
| 05:50.36 | peterrooney | dcmg: that's what GPM was invented for. |
| 05:50.54 | dcmg | exactly, and you have to install that |
| 05:50.58 | owen1 | i am not sure what console means. i live in xterm most of the time. |
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| 05:51.41 | owen1 | the only time i am in tty is when the laptop boots. i type my user/password, and startx, and that's it, i3 kicks in. |
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| 05:52.48 | dcmg | 99 out of 100 systems I build never get Xorg installed |
| 05:53.14 | dcmg | being able to paste a few lines into the console is very convenient |
| 05:53.21 | owen1 | what system do u build? servers? |
| 05:53.27 | dcmg | also, with some primitive shells, you can hardly even type |
| 05:53.49 | dcmg | can't |
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| 05:54.20 | dcmg | owen1: i started with debian, not i build debian , ubuntu, linux from scratch, and i have forks of netbsd and freebsd |
| 05:54.29 | dcmg | now I build |
| 05:55.11 | dcmg | i re wrote debian live build, and debian live boot, then I wrote it for arch linux |
| 05:55.30 | owen1 | wow |
| 05:55.33 | dcmg | so i used to make 10-50 systems a day to test that, if not more |
| 05:55.33 | owen1 | hardcore |
| 05:56.04 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 05:56.06 | owen1 | so on my server i don't have x. can i still copy paste there somehow? |
| 05:56.40 | dcmg | points themill to where he wants to talk at |
| 05:56.53 | dcmg | gtfo here |
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| 05:57.04 | themill | bye |
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| 05:57.06 | peterrooney | owen1: yes, the gpm package allows copy/paste |
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| 05:57.14 | Aeiri | wtf was he on about? |
| 05:57.22 | Aeiri | or rather... what was he on? |
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| 05:58.45 | peterrooney | "solipsistic ramblings about what constitutes minimum usability" is my best guess. |
| 05:58.53 | peterrooney | Philosophy... not even once. |
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| 05:59.58 | peterrooney | now, if we could have a program that did copy/paste BETWEEN ttys and xserver, I'd be delighted. does debian have such a package? |
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| 06:00.16 | owen1 | wow. he was kicked from #debian-offtopic.. |
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| 06:06.16 | rjsalts | peterrooney: does gpm work for that? |
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| 06:33.22 | sankey | how can i find out which CD comes with package X? |
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| 06:33.54 | centrx | sankey, https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#list-image-contents |
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| 06:34.33 | peterrooney | !which cd |
| 06:34.33 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/). |
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| 06:37.45 | sankey | ah, make is in CD 4 |
| 06:37.56 | sankey | i think i'll just torrent DVD-1 :) |
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| 06:52.40 | pikaro | hi! trying to install evolution from experimental with apt-get -t experimental install evolution fails because it doesn't also resolve the dependencies to their experimental versions. listing those with the command only makes apt-get update the whole bunch from sid. they are all present in the right versions in experimental. what gives? |
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| 06:54.42 | ArtVandalae | pikaro, are you also looking at package versions? e.g. are glibc (libc) versions the same between the two systems? |
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| 06:57.09 | ArtVandalae | glibc wheezy: 2.13, experimental is probably 2.18: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11107263/how-compatible-are-different-versions-of-glibc |
| 06:57.57 | pikaro | ArtVandalae, does apt provide "multi-level" dependency introspection? I'm not really sure, but I'm able to apt-get -t experimental install them individually, and it doesn't seem like any noteworthy libs are affected. libc is certainly not listed. |
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| 06:58.57 | pikaro | (however, installing them individually means that all the other ones together with their dependencies are forced off the system first. should be doable, but that's really messy.) |
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| 07:01.31 | \Tau | hey |
| 07:01.43 | \Tau | i'm using the tau@spin:~$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:01.44 | \Tau | 7.1 |
| 07:01.50 | \Tau | is this the latest stable release |
| 07:01.50 | \Tau | ? |
| 07:02.34 | Hydroxide | \Tau: roughly. you're behind on some updates, but they're all security and bug fixes. run apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade as root. (or use sudo.) |
| 07:02.44 | Hydroxide | \Tau: then reboot when you have a chance to get the new kernel. |
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| 07:03.18 | Hydroxide | err, the updates install you the new kernel. reboot to activate it when you have a chance. |
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| 07:04.35 | Hydroxide | not especially - you should probably run update-flashplugin-nonfree --install, if you have installed flash via flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:04.50 | Hydroxide | what browser are you using to play the games? |
| 07:04.57 | Hydroxide | or how are you playing them? |
| 07:05.02 | \Tau | iceweasel, i tried chrome too. |
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| 07:05.33 | \Tau | it seems i dont have the app update-flashplugin-nonfree. |
| 07:05.45 | Hydroxide | try dpkg -l flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:05.53 | Hydroxide | does it show you don't have any packages installed or does it give a version? |
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| 07:07.27 | Hydroxide | \Tau: ok, so what it looks like is you don't have any flash installed, which would be relevant for iceweasel and chromium-browser. if you are using actual chrome from google (e.g. launching it with google-chrome or having the logo with the Google colors), it uses a separate flash that will get updated with Chrome updates |
| 07:07.33 | Hydroxide | \Tau: how did you install Chrome? |
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| 07:08.19 | Hydroxide | \Tau: dpkg -l chromium |
| 07:08.23 | Hydroxide | \Tau: and then dpkg -l google-chrome |
| 07:08.27 | Hydroxide | \Tau: which exists? |
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| 07:08.40 | \Tau | hold on lemme post |
| 07:08.48 | Hydroxide | don't paste a lot here |
| 07:08.54 | Hydroxide | I just need to know which one exists |
| 07:09.17 | \Tau | http://codepad.org/zACHxZHI |
| 07:09.32 | Hydroxide | ok |
| 07:09.45 | Hydroxide | so you don't have flash installed, you have gnash, a freely licensed but incomplete implementation |
| 07:09.48 | Hydroxide | !flash |
| 07:09.48 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations, or <adobe flash> and <pepper flash> for non-free implementations. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 07:09.59 | Hydroxide | !adobe flash |
| 07:09.59 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package . There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer. Try «update-flashplugin-nonfree --install» if the installation didn't seem to work or to update the plugin. |
| 07:10.03 | Hydroxide | !pepper flash |
| 07:10.04 | dpkg | Pepper Flash Player is a proprietary <flash> plugin included with the Google Chrome web browser. The pepperflashplugin-nonfree <contrib> Debian package (in <testing> and <wheezy-backports>) can be used to install this plugin for the <Chromium> browser. http://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer |
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| 07:10.42 | Hydroxide | try one of those - the second one is probably better for Chromium, the first is probably better for Iceweasel though will work with both |
| 07:10.45 | Hydroxide | check the wiki pages |
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| 07:11.15 | \Tau | the game says i need adobe flash though. |
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| 07:11.27 | Hydroxide | it really should work with both if they've ever tested chrome |
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| 07:11.42 | Hydroxide | and it's the most popular browser out there, so they probably have |
| 07:11.49 | \Tau | okay |
| 07:12.29 | \Tau | im stalling gnash then. |
| 07:12.30 | \Tau | with apt |
| 07:12.33 | \Tau | lets see if it works |
| 07:12.55 | Hydroxide | I meant adobe flash and pepper flash will both work. gnash may not work but is nice to use if it works since it's freely license |
| 07:12.57 | Hydroxide | *freely licensed |
| 07:13.43 | \Tau | i see. |
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| 07:15.04 | ArtVandalae | gah! Did not know that the nonfree-flash was not kept up-to-date via the usual routes (apt-get/aptitude). Oh well, better late than never. |
| 07:15.09 | \Tau | im trying to install adobe flash. |
| 07:15.39 | ArtVandalae | Mozilla is also working on a free Flash implementation, called shumway: http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/ |
| 07:15.54 | Hydroxide | ArtVandalae: it would be if the licenses allowed it, I assume. the packages in Debian for the nonfree implementations just fetch it from the authorized sites at install time and then integrate it for you |
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| 07:16.15 | Hydroxide | ArtVandalae: I guess someone could release updates that redo the fetch for every push. |
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| 07:16.44 | ArtVandalae | Hydroxide, yeah I (wrongly) assumed that's how it would have been implemented |
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| 07:19.24 | \Tau | but it says there is no package found. |
| 07:19.24 | \Tau | when i do apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree. |
| 07:19.24 | \Tau | lol |
| 07:19.24 | \Tau | i tried to add the nonfree and contrib repo. |
| 07:19.24 | \Tau | but it just says there is no package found. |
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| 07:19.28 | \Tau | jesus christ. |
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| 07:19.59 | Hydroxide | \Tau: after adding the repositories, do apt-get update |
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| 07:20.08 | ArtVandalae | \Tau, after adding non-free/contrib, run apt-get update first |
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| 07:20.18 | Hydroxide | \Tau: and you only need contrib for this particular package, not non-free |
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| 07:24.32 | \Tau | would that be related? |
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| 07:27.26 | pikaro | alright, I think I found out what the problem is after digging for a while. the packages depend on libgweather-3-3 and libgnome-desktop-3-8, and I only have 3-6 and 3-10 available. this looks like a retarded and / or important naming scheme, so I suppose I can't just install an equivs dummy and symlink the libs from the newer version? |
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| 07:31.18 | acu | hello, is debian jessie relatively stable ? did not use it , and want to start using (specially for btrfs), just wanted to know |
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| 07:33.46 | pikaro | acu, depends on what you want to do - in my experience, even a sid / experimental mix is reasonably stable for a desktop if you're willing to do things a bit more manually. |
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| 07:35.05 | acu | pikaro: I know sid usually brake often though, and want to install jessie (kernel version and all), but thanks for input |
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| 07:35.58 | gcbirzan | I've not had any catastrophic breakage in _ages_ |
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| 07:36.55 | gcbirzan | The occasional kernel + fglx/nvidia screw up, but I'm used to drivers sucking on every single OS in existence |
| 07:37.10 | Hydroxide | gcbirzan: the switch to systemd might be slightly more disruptive :) |
| 07:37.21 | Hydroxide | acu: if you want just the newer kernel, use wheezy-backports |
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| 07:38.08 | gcbirzan | I've not seen any problems. I wrote an init script the other day and put -b for start-stop-daemon in stop, this actually made it use systemd to start/stop |
| 07:38.18 | acu | Hydroxide, thanks, this is what I do lately |
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| 07:38.46 | gcbirzan | speaking of fglrx: Unpacking fglrx-modules-dkms (1:14.3~beta1.0-1) over (1:14.2~beta1.3-1) ... |
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| 07:40.17 | gcbirzan | Hydroxide: I'm not a huge fan of systemd, we had to use it at work on some ancient fedora, it was version 44 which when it actually didn't crash (rarely), it was just getting in the way. newer versions seem to be okay, and I think there's a decent chance that scripts can be easily migrated to systemd stuff |
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| 07:40.59 | Hydroxide | gcbirzan: let's not turn this into a flamewar over systemd - Debian has had many on IRC and email already. the decision was made to change the default for jessie, though sysvinit support will be present too. |
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| 07:41.16 | Hydroxide | gcbirzan: but I'm using it right now and it's far better than the ancient days you describe. |
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| 07:41.59 | \Tau | i need a nice source.list. |
| 07:41.59 | gcbirzan | Hydroxide: as I said, I was actually impressed it worked 'out of the box', which a broken init script :P |
| 07:42.07 | \Tau | i'm gonna just reinstall debian. |
| 07:42.07 | Hydroxide | gcbirzan: :) |
| 07:42.27 | gcbirzan | \Tau: http://http.debian.net/debian stable main |
| 07:42.32 | gcbirzan | erm, add a deb in front of that |
| 07:42.41 | Hydroxide | gcbirzan: he also needs contrib for adobe flash, but otherwise sure |
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| 07:42.59 | Hydroxide | so deb http://http.debian.net/debian stable main contrib |
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| 07:43.18 | gcbirzan | \Tau: It depends on what you want to do, as Hydroxide said, main doesn't include everything, just the free stuff. Skype isn't even in non-free, you'll have to download that from skype |
| 07:43.24 | Hydroxide | \Tau: nobody can redistribute skype, it's illegal. you have to get that from skype themselves. |
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| 07:43.42 | gcbirzan | \Tau: Also, there's a howto about it, you should download the i386 version and make it work with multiarch |
| 07:43.50 | gcbirzan | \Tau: https://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 07:43.51 | Hydroxide | \Tau: Skype offers apt-get |
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| 07:44.00 | pikaro | the only annoyance I've run into with systemd is that you can't logout any more by symply restarting the display manager, it screws up your whole environment instad and you end up having to reboot. though I suppose there are many other problems if you fiddle with the mechanics on a lower level. |
| 07:44.01 | Hydroxide | \Tau: but not from Debian. see what gcbirzan just said. |
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| 07:44.40 | Hydroxide | \Tau: Debian offers quite a lot. it sounds like you want specific things that only the vendor can redistribute. |
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| 07:44.51 | Hydroxide | \Tau: we've already given you solutions for the two things you mentioned. |
| 07:44.58 | gcbirzan | \Tau: The default one has quite a bit of stuff. Flash is probably in contrib (or non-free?, probably contrib), and skype needs to be installed separaately. |
| 07:45.07 | Hydroxide | \Tau: most stuff that Debian can legally redistribute, it does. |
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| 07:45.30 | Hydroxide | \Tau: sure you can. |
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| 07:45.50 | \Tau | i have no idea whats going on. |
| 07:45.50 | Hydroxide | \Tau: did you fix your clock? |
| 07:45.55 | Hydroxide | \Tau: you do need to have a roughly accurate clock. |
| 07:46.04 | gcbirzan | wait, what? :P |
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| 07:46.10 | pikaro | flashplugin-nonfree: [...] Version table: *** 1:3.4 0 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing/contrib amd64 Packages |
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| 07:46.47 | Hydroxide | gcbirzan: he had some error message earlier from apt-get update saying the files were too old |
| 07:46.49 | gcbirzan | wi \Tau |
| 07:46.50 | Hydroxide | gcbirzan: or something like that |
| 07:46.51 | gcbirzan | erm |
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| 07:46.55 | Hydroxide | gcbirzan: he is on 7.1 |
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| 07:47.34 | Hydroxide | \Tau: you can install ntpd |
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| 07:47.44 | Hydroxide | \Tau: or install ntpdate and then run ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 07:47.48 | gcbirzan | \Tau: south-america.pool.ntp.org is a good enough time server for you |
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| 07:48.31 | pikaro | \tau, try ntpdate |
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| 07:48.34 | gcbirzan | \Tau: it's ntp, not ntpd |
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| 07:48.42 | Hydroxide | sorry, the package name is ntp, good catch |
| 07:48.49 | \Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.00 | Hydroxide | ok, so now try apt-get update |
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| 07:49.16 | Hydroxide | your sources.list should look something like deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main contrib |
| 07:49.32 | \Tau | okay |
| 07:49.38 | Hydroxide | it's okay if it says stable instead of wheezy, or if it says main contrib non-free instead of main contrib, or if you go to a different server. instead of http.debian.net |
| 07:49.43 | \Tau | how can i set the server with ntpdate now? |
| 07:49.57 | gcbirzan | \Tau: sudo ntpdate -u pool.ntp.org |
| 07:50.08 | \Tau | i will use this one south-america.pool.ntp.org |
| 07:50.11 | gcbirzan | sure |
| 07:50.12 | \Tau | is that okay right? |
| 07:50.13 | \Tau | okay |
| 07:50.22 | gcbirzan | You might need -u, because firewalls are hard sometimes, and it won't hurt it eitehr way |
| 07:50.24 | Hydroxide | \Tau: yes. you'll want to install ntp afterward to keep it up to date though. ntpdate just fixes it at one time |
| 07:50.42 | CybDev | just check /etc/ntp.conf after, and configure it for your purposes... ntpdate is a one-off initial sync |
| 07:50.50 | \Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.53 | \Tau | i didnt know that. |
| 07:51.02 | \Tau | im installing it now then. |
| 07:51.05 | Hydroxide | CybDev: it defaults to a round-robin of the public ntp pool. it's pretty decent as is. |
| 07:51.07 | pikaro | or you can run ntpdate with cron |
| 07:51.09 | Hydroxide | CybDev: and hi over here :) |
| 07:51.15 | CybDev | ;-) |
| 07:51.19 | \Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.20 | Hydroxide | pikaro: that is a lot more complicated than just installing ntp |
| 07:51.25 | Hydroxide | \Tau: no, just apt-get install ntp |
| 07:51.29 | Hydroxide | \Tau: that's it. |
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| 07:52.00 | Hydroxide | \Tau: but for now, run the ntpdate command gcbirzan gave you, then apt-get update, then see if you can install flashplugin-nonfree :) |
| 07:52.12 | CybDev | if it's a vm and you get lots of time drift you might want to change clocksource, but i think these days the defaults are pretty sane. |
| 07:52.28 | \Tau | i mean |
| 07:52.29 | \Tau | ntpd. |
| 07:52.43 | Hydroxide | CybDev: in a VM, the main thing that's useful is to ensure that iburst is in the default server line. which is actually problematically removed if the DHCP server includes ntp data |
| 07:52.48 | Hydroxide | CybDev: even if it was there before |
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| 07:52.50 | Hydroxide | CybDev: oops :D |
| 07:53.04 | Hydroxide | CybDev: yes, I've seen this in practice :) |
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| 07:53.15 | \Tau | i guess thats not -u. |
| 07:53.29 | Hydroxide | \Tau: you don't run any command besides apt-get for that |
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| 07:53.41 | \Tau | okay |
| 07:53.45 | Hydroxide | \Tau: first step: run ntpdate -u south-america.pool.ntp.org to fix thigns now |
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| 07:53.48 | CybDev | the command you run for one-time sync is "ntpdate" and the parameters pasted earlier, "ntpd" is a service and it starts automatically when you install the package. |
| 07:53.48 | \Tau | now i managed to do apt-get update. |
| 07:53.50 | \Tau | thats nice. |
| 07:53.53 | Hydroxide | good |
| 07:54.00 | Hydroxide | so now run apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree :) |
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| 07:54.47 | CybDev | (ntpd will just exit if the time diff is too high with its default config iirc) |
| 07:55.35 | Hydroxide | CybDev: I think iburst fixes that |
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| 07:56.21 | Hydroxide | CybDev: oh... I think NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp fixes that :) |
| 07:56.49 | Hydroxide | CybDev: and that's already in the defaults |
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| 07:58.03 | \Tau | okay |
| 07:58.11 | \Tau | i got the update-flashplugin-nonfree thing |
| 07:58.19 | \Tau | i did update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
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| 07:58.28 | \Tau | but the game still doesnt work and keeps asking me to update it. |
| 07:58.29 | \Tau | lol |
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| 07:59.23 | \Tau | i guess it is a good idea to start praying .. |
| 07:59.25 | Hydroxide | \Tau: did you restart your browser? |
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| 07:59.42 | Hydroxide | \Tau: you need to entirely quit and restart the browser. |
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| 08:02.49 | \Tau | thats crazy. |
| 08:02.59 | \Tau | i managed to do apt-get update now. |
| 08:03.09 | \Tau | then i did update-flashplugin-nonfree --install. |
| 08:03.16 | \Tau | but it keeps asking me to update flash |
| 08:03.20 | \Tau | when i try to run the game. |
| 08:03.24 | \Tau | no idea whats going on. |
| 08:03.32 | Hydroxide | did you restart the browser? |
| 08:03.58 | \Tau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:04.56 | Hydroxide | maybe the game is doing a broken check to see what you have |
| 08:05.08 | Hydroxide | or maybe it needs an extremely new version of flash which Adobe is not providing for Linux |
| 08:05.37 | Hydroxide | what game is this? |
| 08:06.20 | ArtVandalae | One thing to note: Flash on Linux is several releases behind that of Windows + Mac OS X. |
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| 08:06.41 | viscera | unless you use chrome/pepper |
| 08:07.09 | ArtVandalae | ^^ |
| 08:07.31 | ArtVandalae | According to this: https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/ -- Linux is 11.2, Windows/Mac are 12 |
| 08:07.50 | CybDev | thought they were on 13.x these days? maybe that's just beta? |
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| 08:10.53 | Hydroxide | yeah, adobe is only doing security fixes for their version of linux flash. otherwise the only current flash on linux is chrome/pepper (as viscera says) |
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| 08:11.13 | Hydroxide | the pepper flash package for Debian seems to just fetch Google Chrome and extract out the pepper flash component for use with Chromium |
| 08:11.59 | Hydroxide | Google Chrome is also available for use on Debian, but maintained by Google, not Debian. google.com/chrome for that option. the deb they give you by default will add them to sources.list for updates via apt-get update |
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| 08:12.28 | \Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.29 | Hydroxide | it involves more software that isn't freely licensed than the other options described here, but will handle updates more seamlessly than needing to run a command like update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 08:12.30 | \Tau | maybe* |
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| 08:15.05 | viscera | Hydroxide: google.com/chrome is your best option for mainstream support |
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| 08:17.13 | Hydroxide | viscera: I'm giving help to \Tau, not needing it myself. It's definitely more widely supported, though Chromium with Pepper Flash probably has just as new of a version |
| 08:17.22 | viscera | oh |
| 08:17.22 | Hydroxide | viscera: I did mention google.com/chrome :) |
| 08:17.29 | viscera | lol |
| 08:17.38 | viscera | as you can tell, i'm only half paying attention |
| 08:17.53 | Hydroxide | currently I have iceweasel and google-chrome installed, using iceweasel most of the time and Chrome when there's a reason. |
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| 08:18.10 | Hydroxide | e.g. playing music via Chromecast |
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| 08:18.16 | viscera | yeah... i'm sticking with iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net for as long as i can... |
| 08:18.25 | viscera | chrome irks me |
| 08:18.34 | viscera | although it was my favourite for a while until mozilla caught up again |
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| 08:19.17 | Hydroxide | I like that there are two that have advantages over each other sometimes and the balance keeps shifting |
| 08:19.26 | Hydroxide | productive competition is useful for the world |
| 08:19.43 | viscera | yeah i guess |
| 08:20.00 | viscera | i just hope mozilla can keep up |
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| 08:20.16 | \Tau | well. |
| 08:20.24 | \Tau | i'm gonna just reinstall all the thing. |
| 08:20.27 | Hydroxide | viscera: no browser will stay in first place forever. |
| 08:20.33 | Hydroxide | \Tau: it's unlikely to change the outcome |
| 08:20.34 | \Tau | i may have got some stuff broken when i tried to install flash manually. |
| 08:20.39 | Hydroxide | \Tau: but you can tr that, sure |
| 08:20.45 | Hydroxide | \Tau: if you did something manual it might be broken |
| 08:21.03 | Hydroxide | \Tau: after you reinstall, try our suggestions from this hat. good luck! |
| 08:21.12 | \Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.19 | Hydroxide | \Tau: good luck :) |
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| 08:53.52 | bullgard4 | [wheezy] '~$ uname -m; x86_64'. How can I determine if I have a 32- or a 64-bit userspace? |
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| 08:55.05 | przemek | Hello , is it good idea to make a software raid on SSD disks ? |
| 08:55.24 | nkuttler | bullgard4: dpkg-architecture |
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| 08:58.27 | NiLon | przemek depends what you classify as good |
| 08:58.33 | giorgiodinapoli | i jailed a user now ssh with authorized keys is not working anymore |
| 08:58.35 | rfree | przemek: imo, yes |
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| 09:00.08 | NiLon | having ability to swap spares is always good for any disk |
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| 09:04.25 | przemek | NiLon: by good I ment not to big exploitation of SSD disks |
| 09:04.44 | bullgard4 | This returns the values of 18 variables. None includes »userspace«. Although, If a number is mentioned, it is »64«, and not »32«. 'man dpkg-architecture' does not mention »userspace« either. What is the missiing link? |
| 09:04.56 | bullgard4 | nkuttler: This returns the values of 18 variables. None includes »userspace«. Although, If a number is mentioned, it is »64«, and not »32«. 'man dpkg-architecture' does not mention »userspace« either. What is the missiing link? |
| 09:05.34 | jelly | bullgard4: dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 09:07.54 | bullgard4 | '~$ dpkg --print-architecture; amd64' |
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| 09:09.20 | czs | hello |
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| 09:09.46 | czs | is there an official way to use kernel 2.6 with wheezy? |
| 09:10.10 | bullgard4 | nkuttler, jelly: Thank you for your help. |
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| 09:11.50 | jelly | czs: nope |
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| 09:14.32 | czs | jelly: sorry to hear that. I have a RAID hardware, driver only works on 2.6. |
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| 09:16.22 | jelly | czs: what happens when you boot wheezy, no disk detected at all? Typically, hw raid controller vendors work hard to get their drivers into mainline kernel. |
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| 09:19.01 | czs | jelly: it is an exernal one. Atto Express SAS R348, the module name is esasraid |
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| 09:22.44 | jelly | czs: what's the pci id? |
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| 09:25.23 | jelly | czs: there's http://lwn.net/Articles/562203/ in 3.12 and newer kernels; it doesn't mention your specific model though |
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| 09:27.17 | czs | jelly: 117c:002c |
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| 09:27.49 | jelly | judd: pciid 117c:002c |
| 09:27.51 | judd | [117c:002c] is 'SAS RAID Adapter' from 'ATTO Technology, Inc.' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=117c:002c |
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| 09:34.12 | finga | how are debian user passwords hashed? |
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| 09:34.51 | finga | or how can i generate a password in debian? |
| 09:35.18 | jelly | finga: a random password? You could use "pwgen" |
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| 09:37.13 | finga | jelly: no, i started manage machines with puppet, but deleted all passwords becaus i didn't know i need the hashed ones, so i need the hased password for puppet again |
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| 09:37.39 | jelly | finga: mkpasswd, then |
| 09:37.53 | finga | jelly: au thx a lot! |
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| 09:45.30 | tgd | hi. I successfully patched a package and installed it on my system, but apt-get update reinstalled the repo's version. Should I rename the package to avoid this ? If so, how ? Is there a naming guideline for this use case ? |
| 09:46.31 | petern_ | you can hold the package |
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| 09:48.06 | petern_ | apt-mark hold package / apt-mark unhold package will do that |
| 09:48.18 | tgd | ok |
| 09:48.35 | petern_ | (although hold/unhold are not documented in the command line help, hmm) |
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| 09:53.34 | Pupeno | How do I make ntp not bind 0.0.0.0:123. I only want to bind localhost. |
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| 09:54.43 | tgd | petern_: thanks for the tip ! |
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| 09:55.49 | SynrG | Pupeno: see ntp.conf man page: 'interface' is what you need, i think |
| 09:55.59 | Pupeno | SynrG: thanks :) |
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| 10:01.26 | shellox | hi |
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| 10:02.04 | shellox | We have 5 users which must upload images to a webserver over ssh |
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| 10:16.25 | andry | hi |
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| 10:16.30 | czs | jelly: thanks for your help |
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| 10:18.23 | andry | quick question .. i installed a new version of libimobiledevice to /usr/local .. an older version that came with debian is installed in /usr .. i didnt want to remove it via apt-get because of its dependencies (it would remove a lot of important packages) .. so. how do i know that the libs i installed in /usr/local are preferred? |
| 10:18.56 | andry | can i force it in ld.conf or something like that? |
| 10:19.02 | rfree | it seems impossible to pick any printer for linux :{ |
| 10:19.57 | rfree | how exactly should you check before buying if given printer has good in-repository printer, with no external drivers crap? I thought http://openprinting.org/ but they seem horribly outdated and incomplete (all stuff they recommend is no longer on the market) |
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| 10:29.14 | SynrG | rfree: printers are evil. anyway, i challenge your "horribly outdated and incomplete" assertion. do you have a counterexample of a printer that *is* supported but not in that database? |
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| 10:29.29 | e-anima | hm. i nwheezy i cant drop program shortcuts on my desktop. that was possible before. any ideas? |
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| 10:37.26 | jetscreamer | if it's kde you might look at the folder view for the desktop e-anima but i dunno if that's what you need |
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| 10:37.40 | e-anima | its gnome :) |
| 10:37.51 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 10:39.18 | e-anima | nothing important. i dropped the programs to the top bar for now |
| 10:39.42 | e-anima | in 6.0 right click o ndesktop also opened a menu. doesnt after my upgrade to 7 |
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| 10:39.56 | rfree | SynrG: well, it seems many printers are supported... from things ON the list basically nothing can be found in shops (found one, but out of stock, no longer manufactured) |
| 10:40.05 | SynrG | hmm |
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| 10:40.21 | jetscreamer | they like brother printers at work |
| 10:40.23 | SynrG | what about info directly from the vendors? i think HP would be a good source of info ... |
| 10:40.53 | jetscreamer | it's ubuntu but |
| 10:41.05 | jetscreamer | said the dreaded u word |
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| 10:41.15 | SynrG | e.g. http://www.staples.ca/en/HP-Officejet-Pro-8600-Premium-Wireless-All-in-One-Colour-Inkjet-Printer/product_366002_2-CA_1_20001 |
| 10:41.28 | SynrG | http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01174360&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en&os=2020&product=4323652&sw_lang= |
| 10:41.49 | SynrG | basically the second link takes you to hplip |
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| 10:42.02 | jetscreamer | and i know they stil make them they just got a new one |
| 10:42.20 | SynrG | rfree: while the openprinting site is indeed missing 8600, it has the similar 8500 |
| 10:42.23 | SynrG | so yes, it does seem to be out of date |
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| 10:43.21 | SynrG | rfree: perhaps vendors now provide good enough drivers that 'just work' that users don't feel as compelled to submit back to the database? |
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| 10:43.39 | SynrG | (of the ones that actually make an effort to support linux) |
| 10:44.01 | rfree | SynrG: maybe, still that would really help to have site that would assert which printers are known to really work |
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| 10:44.08 | rfree | because printers are hard to return |
| 10:44.29 | SynrG | yeah |
| 10:44.47 | SynrG | but this depends on the users keeping on making submissions. something you can't make them do :p |
| 10:45.15 | rfree | I will make, if I find one |
| 10:45.22 | SynrG | nods |
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| 10:49.08 | bullgard6 | !iceape |
| 10:49.08 | dpkg | Iceape Internet Suite is an unbranded <SeaMonkey> suitable for free distribution. Security support for Iceape has ended in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" (DSA 2819-1), the iceape packages were removed at the <7.4> and <6.0.9> point releases (Debian bug #732314). Debian recommends migrating to <iceweasel> and <icedove> for web browsing and mail functions. |
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| 10:49.55 | MrHeisen1erg | hello, is there a command-line only way to sync a local dir with google drive in debian wheezy? |
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| 11:26.40 | andry | just to answer my question "quick question .. i installed a new version of libimobiledevice to /usr/local .. an older version that came with debian is installed in /usr .. i didnt want to remove it via apt-get because of its dependencies (it would remove a lot of important packages) .. so. how do i know that the libs i installed in /usr/local are preferred?" if anyone is interested: just list ldconfig pathes (like ldconfig -v | grep "^/") . |
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| 11:32.17 | Walex | andry: that's not a comprehensive reply, because some executables or environments can override the global loader path given by 'ldconfig' |
| 11:32.29 | halt | Hi all, i managed to overwrite my mysql table, so i lost the debian-sys-maint password, is there any way to find out what i should setup in the db to make it work again, or reconfigure the package ? |
| 11:32.39 | andry | okay :) |
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| 11:33.40 | abrotman | dpkg: tell halt about debian-sys-maint |
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| 11:35.48 | andry | Walex: can i force the use of a specific lib for an executable without configuration? |
| 11:36.01 | Walex | andry: yes. |
| 11:36.29 | andry | via ldd i guess? |
| 11:36.32 | Walex | andry: but the best way is static linking of course |
| 11:36.41 | Walex | andry: 'ldd' just lists things... |
| 11:36.55 | andry | okay, never looked into its man page :P |
| 11:37.17 | Walex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rpath |
| 11:37.33 | andry | thanks :) |
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| 11:38.54 | halt | abrotman: thanks,but that was not i was searching for i know how to setup the password, but i did not know what to.. but i found it in the meantime in the /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
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| 11:39.04 | rtur | Hi. Does anyone know if there is a "HOME package manager" (i.e. install deb packages inside home without root) ? |
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| 11:40.05 | rtur | It doesn't need to be a fully featured one, just dependency resolution and "works for normal packages" would be enough. |
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| 11:56.52 | Kingsy | I am currently using chromium, and I am having a mproblem where add-ons are not appearing after I install them. anyone else had this? |
| 11:57.15 | Kingsy | the addon installs ok, its enabled in the settings.. it just doesnt appear |
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| 12:06.54 | Walex | rtur: you can do that by declaring to 'dpkg' that your home directory is its 'root'. |
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| 12:07.30 | Walex | rtur: but note that normal packages are not relocatable -- they *must* be installed in the directory tree they are compiled for. |
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| 12:20.50 | Kingsy | I am just going to have to use firefox |
| 12:20.52 | Kingsy | so annoying |
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| 12:25.12 | ak5 | hi, I have my own ppa, I was wondering how I can go about getting rid of WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! whenever I install from there? |
| 12:25.13 | Walex | Kingsy: Firefox and Chromium, and perhaps Opera, are the only ones that get regular security updates. |
| 12:25.38 | Walex | ak5: thanks for letting us what you are wondering about... |
| 12:25.57 | ak5 | Walex: thanks for ..nothing? :P |
| 12:26.04 | Walex | ak5: but please note that PPA is not exactly a Debian topic :-) |
| 12:26.11 | ChrisH | ak5: most times apt-get update should fix that. if not show us: cat /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install XXX on paste.debian.net |
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| 12:26.30 | Walex | ChrisH: it is *his own* PPA. |
| 12:26.50 | Walex | ChrisH: it is *his own* PPA. Which may mean he is not signing his own '.deb's. |
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| 12:27.00 | ChrisH | Walex: did not know that, so its up to him to fix it. |
| 12:27.04 | ak5 | Walex: I am not. I want to learn how though |
| 12:27.22 | themill | ak5: when you say "PPA" do you actually mean PPA? or just your own repo? |
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| 12:28.14 | ak5 | themill: sorry, I don't know what I mean. I have some debs and a Packages.gz on an nginx server |
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| 12:28.30 | themill | right... so not actually a PPA. |
| 12:28.50 | ak5 | that will help googling, then :) I didn't realize what PPA means until now |
| 12:28.50 | themill | How are you making the Packages.gz file? |
| 12:29.22 | Kingsy | Walex: well ok, but the add-ons don't work |
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| 12:29.37 | ak5 | themill: dpkg-scanpackages generates them for me (I pipe it through gz) |
| 12:29.38 | Kingsy | they install ok, but they do not display |
| 12:29.44 | Kingsy | all of the add-ons cant be broken |
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| 12:30.45 | themill | ak5: you need to generate and sign a Release file and then you give apt your gpg public key to tell it how to check and trust the signatures. You can do that manually, but doing it using a tool like reprepro is easier. |
| 12:31.07 | ak5 | themill: I will check that out then. Thanks for your advice |
| 12:31.16 | themill | !reprepro |
| 12:31.16 | dpkg | reprepro (formerly mirrorer) is a tool to produce, manage and sync a local repository of Debian packages. See /usr/share/doc/reprepro/short-howto.gz after package installation to set up a repository. Alternatively, ask me about <dpkg-scanpackages>. |
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| 12:33.26 | ak5 | themill: if I am just signing a couple of debs then I don't need this tool right? |
| 12:33.29 | rtur | Walex: Thanks, I know dpkg can install a package anywhere I want, but it's little use for me if I have to do it for all the dependencies and won't be able to run some packages because the root_dir is hardcoded somewhere. I'll stick with compiling manually, thank you for the suggestion. |
| 12:33.43 | themill | ak5: the .debs are not signed, the Release file is. |
| 12:33.50 | ak5 | oh |
| 12:33.53 | ak5 | :/ |
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| 12:40.12 | Walex | rtur: the difficulty is that the DPKG database for the *system* has to be owned by 'root', and DPKG can only work with a single package database AFAIK. |
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| 12:40.55 | Walex | ak5: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
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| 12:42.27 | Walex | ak5: also this is a good way to automate most stuff and get clean builds too: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html#pbuilder |
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| 12:50.31 | sandman | has anyone installed Linux Mint debian edition? |
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| 12:51.22 | themill | sandman: the people in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org presumably have done so |
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| 12:51.59 | sandman | okay themill and sorry for posting such things here |
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| 12:52.02 | sandman | :) |
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| 12:54.37 | borgu | how to thinkpad trackpoint? |
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| 12:56.14 | wols | a thinkpad clitmouse works out of the box |
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| 12:58.48 | borgu | wols, nope :( |
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| 13:02.31 | jelly | wols: amusingly, trackpoint stopped working on sid's 3.13 after resume for me. Works in console (via gpm service), fails in X |
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| 13:04.09 | jelly | !ping |
| 13:04.09 | dpkg | Yes, jelly you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
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| 13:06.22 | wols | wouldn't call it amusing |
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| 13:07.50 | ak5 | Walex: quick question, whats the the significance of the <SIGNING_NAME> in dpkg-sig -s ? |
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| 13:09.12 | Walex | ak5: can't remember without looking at docs. |
| 13:09.53 | ak5 | Walex: it says it's usually builder "for builder of the deb" but I am not sure if Ishould just pass the string "builder" or whatever else |
| 13:10.01 | ak5 | w/e ty |
| 13:11.16 | Walex | ak5: note that *package* signature is a relatively new feature compared to 'Release' file signature. |
| 13:12.00 | Walex | ak5: had a look at the 'man-page' and that's the *role* of the signer. |
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| 13:14.03 | Walex | ak5: in practice indeed it is always going to be 'builder' and probably it does not matter. |
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| 13:23.04 | eristisk | Where can I find infomration why virtualbox-guest-dkms was moved to contrib out of main? |
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| 13:23.20 | yorg | http://www.marketglory.com/strategygame/galahad1st for all you online gamers out there, if you didn't already, use this link to register on MerkatGlory a free2play financial strategy game where virtual currency can be converted into real money. It starts out slow but in time you can turn a good profit |
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| 13:23.21 | themill | eristisk: it relies on a non-free compiler |
| 13:23.34 | eristisk | themill: Really? Which one? |
| 13:23.45 | themill | watcom |
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| 13:25.26 | eristisk | So I left non-free disabled, enabled contrib and now I am updating and installing the new virtualbox-guest-dkms, but it is not complaining about a missing non-free compiler or package. |
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| 13:25.47 | eristisk | It seems to have built the module for 3.13 with no errors and DKMS reports success |
| 13:25.48 | themill | it needs the compiler at build time not on your system |
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| 13:26.06 | eristisk | Ah well that is annoying. |
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| 13:26.34 | eristisk | Thank you for the swift and informed response, anyhow. |
| 13:26.53 | themill | tell that to oracle... they seem to think that is somehow acceptable to tell people that they can disassemble the bios images and patch them directly if the need modification |
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| 13:30.38 | JMoS | hi all! I would like to install a small server using a SSD, but at it is too small in size I have tried to add a 1TB HDD to get the /home, /var, /tmp & /swap directory / and /usr stay on the SSD. |
| 13:30.45 | JMoS | It 1st boot ok |
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| 13:31.20 | JMoS | Then after I added some pkg it removes all the /sbin and /bin contents? |
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| 13:31.56 | JMoS | Does this kind of installation not good at all and should be avoided? |
| 13:32.23 | JMoS | Or can we spread the system over multi-disk in another way? |
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| 13:43.37 | ak5 | Walex: I am guessing that add-apt-repository only works for signed Releases not pkgs? |
| 13:44.52 | babilen | ak5: It is also a totally redundant tool and kind of superfluous on Debian |
| 13:45.15 | ak5 | babilen: I guess so, but it's nice to use it when you are using ansible |
| 13:45.38 | ak5 | babilen: http://docs.ansible.com/apt_repository_module.html |
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| 13:46.25 | babilen | ak5: Oh, doesn't ansible offer something like salt's http://docs.saltstack.com/ref/states/all/salt.states.pkgrepo.html ? |
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| 13:46.54 | babilen | ak5: And that uses add-apt-repository ? |
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| 13:47.36 | ak5 | babilen: no, it uses the python-apt as backend, ofc I can just add the key via command: wget... |
| 13:48.03 | ak5 | babilen: yes it uses add-apt-repository afaik |
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| 13:49.26 | ak5 | babilen: or this http://docs.ansible.com/apt_key_module.html |
| 13:49.28 | devilchaos | hey folks |
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| 13:50.01 | Walex | JMoS: most distributions, including Debian, let you spread installations over multiple partitions. Installations work tree-wise. |
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| 13:50.58 | Walex | babilen: and how do you verify package signatures on Debian *after installation*? Isn't it a bit "awkward" without package signatures? :-) |
| 13:51.33 | devilchaos | apt key? |
| 13:51.34 | babilen | ak5: I still don't quite see how that involves add-apt-repository |
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| 13:53.21 | ak5 | babilen: the second one does not, the first I sent you requires python-apt be installed |
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| 13:54.28 | babilen | ak5: Sure, but does that really use the executable add-apt-repository and not simply the api? |
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| 13:55.11 | ak5 | babilen: it requires the package be installed, that's all I know about the implementation |
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| 13:56.59 | pikaro | what package do I have install to get the uniocde characters on github? all I can find is that the range is 'private use'... unifont does nothing, ttf-mscorefonts nets me a single character. boxes everywhere -.- |
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| 14:14.42 | jhutchins | !fonts |
| 14:14.42 | dpkg | Fonts available as Debian packages are automatically configured for use via <defoma>. To add user-supplied fonts to a Debian system, ask me about <install font> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts . For general font information, see http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ . See also <liberation>, <mscorefonts>, <ttf>. |
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| 14:15.49 | SlashLife | Mhh ... I'm not entirely sure about repositories ... what is the order to get from stable to experimental? stable, unstable, testing, experimental? |
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| 14:16.24 | woshty | switch testing and unstable around |
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| 14:17.13 | SlashLife | So testing is "better" than unstable? Ok, thank you. |
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| 14:17.34 | babilen | SlashLife: No, not at all. What are you trying to do? |
| 14:18.08 | SlashLife | babilen: Getting more current libs for development. :P I don't need cutting edge, but the one in stable is too old. |
| 14:18.23 | babilen | SlashLife: And what do you mean by "get from stable to experimental" ? Which library is that? |
| 14:18.26 | SlashLife | But while I do that, I'd like to stay as conservative as possible. |
| 14:18.34 | SlashLife | babilen: I was inquiring about the order. |
| 14:18.57 | SlashLife | Seems like stable is one end of the scale (ignoring old-stable), and experimental is the other end. |
| 14:19.08 | woshty | SlashLife: there is also backports for stable :) |
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| 14:19.19 | babilen | There is no order, packages migrate from unstable into testing which is frozen and then released. experimental is independent. See http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html for details |
| 14:19.26 | SlashLife | I wondered how the order of stability was between those. |
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| 14:19.51 | babilen | SlashLife: "stable" in the context of Debian simply means "not changing". stable is, well, just that while the others are not. |
| 14:21.12 | SlashLife | Mhh. Ok. |
| 14:21.48 | babilen | SlashLife: But what are you really trying to achieve? Which library are you missing? There are arguments in favour of running stable + backports, testing and unstable. I, for one, don't consider tracking testing a viable option for example as it doesn't receive timely security related updates and packages get removed. Unstable on the other hand might be too buggy for you or too much work so you might prefer the extra testing that went into ... |
| 14:21.54 | babilen | ... testing ... |
| 14:22.07 | SlashLife | babilen: I'm a developer. ;) Let me have my current libboost. |
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| 14:24.58 | jhutchins | SlashLife: Realize that your users will be using Debian Stable and RHEL, which have more seasoned, tested, and patched software rather than bleeding edge oops the webserver broke. |
| 14:25.28 | SlashLife | Haha. :D As if anyone would use my stuff. x) |
| 14:26.26 | SlashLife | jhutchins: Anyway ... testing is 1.54, stable is 1.49 ... a lot of interesting stuff has happened in between. |
| 14:26.39 | SlashLife | Especially in regards to C++11 related features. |
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| 14:28.40 | babilen | SlashLife: You might want to consider tracking a testing unstable mix if you *really* require that version. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable , <tum>, <wheezy->testing> and <testing> for information. (/msg dpkg tum) |
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| 14:43.15 | malthe | is there a tool that creates package lists from a directory of .debs? |
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| 14:43.51 | babilen | malthe: "ls /path/to/directory/of/*.deb" ? What are you *really* trying to do? |
| 14:44.13 | malthe | I have a bunch of .deb's that define a "good, working set" ... I'd like to install them on a production system |
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| 14:44.46 | malthe | babilen, but this system has many servers, not all need all .deb's installed; ideally, I'll just do apt-get upgrade on each of them, and they'll pick from my list of .deb's. |
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| 14:45.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell malthe about own repo |
| 14:45.32 | malthe | basically, I don't want to do a blind apt-get upgrade on a production system :-). |
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| 14:45.58 | babilen | malthe: Look into dpkg-scanpackages for something simple or one of the others for something more sophisticated |
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| 14:46.03 | malthe | I was looking at reprepro |
| 14:46.23 | malthe | thx let me have a look at scanpackages |
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| 14:46.48 | malthe | looks like it fills the ticket! |
| 14:46.50 | Artemis3 | apt-get upgrade should be a safe process :) |
| 14:46.57 | malthe | dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz .... nice! |
| 14:47.46 | malthe | Artemis3, definitely, but regulations dictate that we absolutely can only install software that has been tested (for some value of that). |
| 14:47.53 | babilen | heh |
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| 14:48.09 | malthe | automated penetration testing ... it's mostly bs. |
| 14:48.51 | Artemis3 | what i mean is that its not going to change major versions of anything, just little security updates and such |
| 14:48.53 | Walex | malthe: there was a story of a company where management dictated that absolutely only packages that had been tested error-free could be installed on production systems :-) |
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| 14:49.52 | malthe | Walex, I bet they ended up never installing any software in that case. |
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| 14:50.38 | malthe | Artemis3, right cause different than dist-upgrade I guess |
| 14:50.48 | malthe | you'll only ever get 12.04 lts stuff if you're own that distro |
| 14:50.55 | malthe | errr own/on |
| 14:51.00 | Artemis3 | pretty much, as long as you have standard repositories and not made any weird additions |
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| 14:52.09 | Artemis3 | i'd say debian stable around here ;) |
| 14:52.33 | Artemis3 | which is wise for production |
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| 14:53.29 | Specialist | hi there! can you recommend an elegant way to supply input to an openconnect daemon started via start-stop-daemon? details: http://serverfault.com/q/584163/78255 i already tried various redirection approaches, but none worked - the input never seems to reach openconnect... |
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| 14:55.59 | Walex | malthe: that's exactly what happened: nobody dared to install anything. |
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| 14:57.28 | malthe | Artemis3, true that :-) |
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| 15:00.03 | ioudas | does any one know of a text gui calculator for debian... nothing like bc... just a basic calculator with the 0-9 displayed? |
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| 15:05.10 | eristisk | ioudas: I use kcalc for that |
| 15:05.27 | ioudas | yeah, we dont wanna start up a gui |
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| 15:06.08 | atannus | ioudas, you just want 4 basic operations? |
| 15:06.11 | atannus | on prompt? |
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| 15:07.49 | ioudas | yeah |
| 15:08.13 | joltcan | ioudas: nothing I can find, apcalc is a good alternative to bc, but it is still not what you want |
| 15:08.21 | ioudas | hmmm |
| 15:08.27 | ioudas | well, thanks for looking |
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| 15:08.40 | joltcan | it supports things like "calc 5+2" |
| 15:08.45 | joltcan | without being insane |
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| 15:09.38 | ioudas | sounds like i will need to code up a front end |
| 15:09.42 | ioudas | for bc |
| 15:09.43 | jhutchins | ioudas: expr |
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| 15:09.59 | jhutchins | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9891 |
| 15:10.58 | atannus | ioudas, I'm curious how this is useful |
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| 15:12.19 | ioudas | i have coded/implemented a wy60 for raspberry pi's. it is for a company. which uses googles wy60's code. the wy60 itself has a basic text calculator which shows like a text version of windows calculator.... and that helps operators of the wy60 do sqft conversions and other things for the company |
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| 15:12.42 | ioudas | im trying to make the pi model i have made an identical copy of the wy60's/70's. |
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| 15:13.33 | atannus | ioudas, ah, you don't want to calculate, you want *the* calculator! |
| 15:14.03 | ioudas | the best way to describe it is as a dos version of windows gui calc from 95 |
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| 15:15.51 | jhutchins | ioudas: There are tcalc and dcalc as well. |
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| 15:16.27 | ioudas | i do not see those in repos |
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| 15:20.40 | ioudas | or any where |
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| 15:21.31 | joltcan | ioudas: should probably be easy to do in python or programming langugage of choice with curses |
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| 15:22.12 | ioudas | yea |
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| 15:23.43 | nkuttler | ioudas: or just run dosbox ;) |
| 15:24.48 | jelly | wcalc ain't bad either |
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| 15:29.58 | metasansana | what's the difference between libraries with -dev? example: libgd-xpm vs libgd-xpm-dev |
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| 15:30.29 | wols | -dev are not libraries but the header files needed to use that library |
| 15:30.41 | wols | ie. if you compile something that uses this library, you need this -dev package |
| 15:31.02 | SynrG | in other words, users don't normally need them |
| 15:31.23 | ioudas | yeah wcalc isnt what im lookin for |
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| 15:32.08 | rdz | question about debian kernel package management: are new kernels always installed as new packages or are there cases where a new kernel with small changes is replaced in-place? |
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| 15:33.01 | ioudas | new packages iirc. and they modify grub |
| 15:33.07 | jejeje | guys how can I remove libreoffice3? with apt-get remove it prompts me to remove also gnome* and gnome-desktop-environment* which is not exactly what I want to do :) |
| 15:33.09 | ioudas | not sure if they keep the old ones around |
| 15:33.10 | ioudas | i imagine they do |
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| 15:33.49 | babilen | rdz: The former |
| 15:34.05 | rdz | babilen, thanks |
| 15:34.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell rdz about kernel abi |
| 15:34.32 | Udderly | so I have a polycom voip phone. Do I have to pay a voip provider to be able to use it? |
| 15:34.45 | babilen | rdz: There can, naturally, be different versions of the same ABI that are then upgraded "normally" like any other package. |
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| 15:35.07 | rdz | babilen, ok.. good to know |
| 15:35.46 | metasansana | wols SynrG thanks |
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| 15:39.00 | Walex | Udderly: that's not really ontopic here, but as a rule you pay VoIP providers only to call landlines or mobile phones. |
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| 15:40.10 | Walex | jejeje: 'gnome' and 'gnome-desktop-environment' are tiny metapackages that have just lots of dependencies. Make sure you have 'gnome-desktop-core'. |
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| 15:42.04 | jejeje | Walex, don't get it. Is it a problem if I remove those packets? It's scaring.. |
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| 15:42.39 | SynrG | jejeje: metapackages contain nothing. they *only* depend on other packages. |
| 15:42.59 | SynrG | jejeje: so you can safely remove metapackages *if* you mark all their dependencies as 'manually installed' |
| 15:43.10 | SynrG | that will prevent all of gnome from being autoremoved |
| 15:43.20 | SynrG | then you can safely remove the metapackages |
| 15:43.23 | Walex | jejeje: it is not a problem in itself, but some packages that were required by them might also get uninstalled. That's why you should have 'gnome-desktop-core' manually installed to be sure. |
| 15:43.54 | jejeje | ok got it |
| 15:44.20 | SynrG | plus anything *else* you really want to keep |
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| 15:44.46 | SynrG | just have a look at all Depends and Recommends |
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| 15:47.37 | sakang | not sure why I'm getting this warning from dpkg |
| 15:47.40 | sakang | dpkg: warning: version 'amd64' has bad syntax: version number does not start with digit |
| 15:47.40 | dpkg | sakang: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 15:49.54 | sakang | this is the pkg am trying to install - linux-image-3.13.7-ikl_3.13.7-ikl-1_amd64.deb |
| 15:49.54 | Bartzy | Hello |
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| 15:50.07 | Bartzy | How can I allow sudo for a specific command and all its arguments ? |
| 15:50.25 | Bartzy | when I just write a command in the sudoers file, if I add arguments it's not included in the sudoers rule... |
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| 15:50.34 | [SkG] | I would say reading the man. |
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| 15:51.29 | Bartzy | [SkG]: I read about wildcards, but it doesn't really help |
| 15:51.34 | Bartzy | command* is not what I want... |
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| 15:51.57 | sakang | not sure what you mean |
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| 15:52.19 | sakang | is sudo cmd -option1 -option2 ? |
| 15:52.44 | sakang | doesn't work for you? |
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| 15:53.18 | jelly | Bartzy: you have to put a space between command and * |
| 15:53.24 | Bartzy | sakang: The command I have in sudoers with NOPASSWD is "vagrant status". sudo vagrant status works as expected, no password. but "sudo vagrant status --arg" - that does not work and require password. |
| 15:53.27 | Bartzy | jelly ^ |
| 15:54.05 | jelly | indeed, that is expected. |
| 15:54.13 | Bartzy | jelly: When I do vagrant status * - then "sudo vagrant status --arg" works without password, but "sudo vagrant status" requires a password. |
| 15:54.25 | Bartzy | jelly: So how can I do that? I must specify both scenarios ? |
| 15:54.29 | jelly | Bartzy: and that's where you realize you need two rules, yes |
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| 15:54.44 | Bartzy | jelly: Because doing "vagrant status*" works, but it's ugly. |
| 15:54.47 | [SkG] | jelly, u sure? |
| 15:54.55 | [SkG] | with one rule I can do it |
| 15:55.02 | Bartzy | and not what I want since "vagrant status-remove-everything" can still work ;p |
| 15:55.08 | jelly | Bartzy: exactly |
| 15:55.17 | [SkG] | ex: sconde ALL=(ALL:ALL) /bin/ls * |
| 15:55.26 | Bartzy | jelly: Very dangerous command, status-remove-everything ;P |
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| 15:55.29 | [SkG] | that allows me to ls and to ls -whatever |
| 15:55.50 | Bartzy | [SkG]: But what about a 2nd argument ? |
| 15:55.55 | [SkG] | hmm |
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| 15:56.00 | jelly | [SkG]: we don't want the user to be able to run "vagrant statusexchange" |
| 15:56.17 | [SkG] | bariumbitmap, with second argument works |
| 15:56.28 | [SkG] | ok in that case jelly |
| 15:56.35 | [SkG] | wops failtab |
| 15:56.36 | Bartzy | jelly: Also, is it important to specify the full path to the command? i.e. /usr/bin/vagrant and not just vagrant, in the sudoers rule ? |
| 15:56.40 | [SkG] | I mean Bartzy |
| 15:56.43 | jelly | Bartzy: it is. |
| 15:57.14 | Bartzy | jelly: So /tmp/vagrant which a hacker planted will not be allowed ? |
| 15:57.32 | jelly | Bartzy: /tmp isn't in default PATH, but yeah |
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| 15:57.45 | Bartzy | k |
| 15:57.49 | [SkG] | so Bartzy what u want to run. vagrant status * |
| 15:57.54 | [SkG] | but not other thing |
| 15:57.56 | [SkG] | sure? |
| 15:57.59 | Bartzy | jelly: last thing - Can I somehow put all these commands in multiple lines in the sudoers file ? |
| 15:58.06 | Bartzy | The rule becomes a very long line |
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| 15:59.17 | jelly | Bartzy: the manual says, among other things, "Long lines can be continued with a backslash ('\') as the last character on the line." |
| 15:59.38 | jelly | Bartzy: or you can specify multiple rules for the same user/group |
| 16:00.21 | sadon | how do i add user to openvpn with NO LOGIN? |
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| 16:00.43 | sadon | sudo adduser -s /bin/nologin username |
| 16:00.48 | sadon | should this work? |
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| 16:02.08 | Bartzy | jelly: Thank you. |
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| 16:03.33 | Kuba | hey, my trackpad scrolls instead of moving the pointer, this happened after suspend; any clues where to look for the problems? |
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| 16:08.27 | Kuba | haha, when I logged into the console, the problem dissapeared |
| 16:08.32 | Kuba | strange -.- |
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| 16:12.49 | jelly | sadon: the correct path for that shell replacement is /usr/sbin/nologin on debian |
| 16:13.15 | jelly | sadon: consider using --system and or --group options as well |
| 16:14.06 | sadon | sudo adduser -s /usr/sbin/nologin username |
| 16:14.08 | sadon | like that? |
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| 16:15.17 | jelly | sadon: read the manual for adduser, please. |
| 16:15.38 | jelly | it's not the same thing as "useradd" on Debian, and the syntax is a bit different |
| 16:15.48 | xreal | Anyone ever used AuFS? Can it be used to keep track of "make install" ? |
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| 16:16.29 | Mikaela | I don't know about AuFS, but I think that checkinstall does so. |
| 16:17.02 | fusillicode | :) |
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| 16:17.12 | sadon | sudo useradd -s /usr/sbin/nologin username |
| 16:17.14 | sadon | jelly like that? |
| 16:17.45 | peterrooney | what bastard decided to name useradd when the base tool is adduser? over a decade now, and I still have to double check which is which EVERY TIME. |
| 16:17.47 | sadon | I just want to let my users use openVPN server. and not having access to SSH login |
| 16:18.13 | xreal | Mikaela: tried checkinstall, it breaks somewhere :/ |
| 16:18.14 | jelly | sadon: that seems fine |
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| 16:18.29 | sadon | jelly: thanks |
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| 16:18.43 | sadon | how do i display all users? |
| 16:18.50 | sadon | all added users? |
| 16:20.08 | jelly | peterrooney: it's the other way round. useradd is part of source for "shadow"; adduser is debian's own concotion |
| 16:20.17 | Mikaela | All, as root cat /etc/passwd, in /home, cd /home; finger * |
| 16:20.29 | e-anima | i cant find the option where i can disable this annoying screen lockdown of gnome. any ideas? |
| 16:20.30 | Pancakez | sadon: not really sure, but the /etc/passwd file should have a line for every user |
| 16:21.05 | peterrooney | jelly: proving my point perfectly. |
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| 16:21.25 | peterrooney | sadon: getent passwd | awk -F':' '$3 >= 1000 ' |
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| 16:25.14 | sadon | thanks |
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| 16:37.47 | philipp_ | hi, i would like to set up a dns server in my local network (to resolve some local ips). Anyone can tell me how to approach this? where i can find instructions how to do this? |
| 16:38.16 | fhdrin | if its just a few computers, it might be easier to just edit your hosts file instead |
| 16:38.39 | OpenTokix | philipp_: powerdns recursor is easy, and then you have your local zone in that machines hosts-file |
| 16:39.07 | cybrNaut | philipp_: check out pdnsd package |
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| 16:39.42 | cybrNaut | philipp_: and if you use tor, also check out ttdnsd |
| 16:40.11 | philipp_ | cybrNaut: i dont understand... what has tor to do with that? |
| 16:40.40 | fhdrin | . |
| 16:40.47 | cybrNaut | philipp_: dns leaks compromise tor.. ttdnsd interfaces with pdnsd to prevent leaks |
| 16:41.15 | fhdrin | hey cybrNaut, do you know if privoxy+tor eliminates dns leaks? |
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| 16:42.04 | cybrNaut | fhdrin: i think so.. but privoxy is a bit old i think.. most people have moved to torsocks |
| 16:42.06 | wols | philipp_: you run dnsmasq on your LAN, put the local IPs in that host's /etc/hosts Then point all the clients in your LAN to your dnsmasq server |
| 16:42.20 | fhdrin | hmmm okay |
| 16:42.41 | wols | cybrNaut: what is torsocks? |
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| 16:42.50 | wols | cause socks itself acts as a socks proxy, no? |
| 16:43.06 | fhdrin | you gotta read the wiki about torsocks |
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| 16:43.17 | cybrNaut | wols: it's for applications that do not have SOCKS capability.. a tranparent proxy |
| 16:43.33 | wols | a forcing socks. good to know |
| 16:43.33 | philipp_ | okey you guys confused me. so i have the choice between pdnsd and dnsmasq ? |
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| 16:44.06 | wols | philipp_: you have many choices. it's just that what I told you is easiest. apt-get install dnsmasq and edit the hosts file, done |
| 16:44.08 | Mikaela | I don't know about pdnsd, but I have used dnsmasq for maybe some years as local DNS cache. |
| 16:44.30 | cybrNaut | e.g. you type "torsocks iceweasel" and the session is forced over tor (although iceweasel isn't the best example, b/c it can be configured for SOCKS anyway) |
| 16:44.36 | Mikaela | wols: Don't you mean /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 16:44.44 | wols | Mikaela: no I don't |
| 16:45.18 | Mikaela | So you aren't talking about DNS? |
| 16:45.28 | wols | cybrNaut: thanks. I understand know. under windows (where I did something like this for other reasons) this is called a "proxifier". doable under linux with ld_preload before but it seems this torsocks has made it all easier |
| 16:45.38 | wols | Mikaela: we are. but resolv.conf does something else |
| 16:45.40 | philipp_ | wols: thx man.. i googled but i just found garbage :( |
| 16:45.55 | sadon | sudo useradd -s /usr/sbin/nologin username |
| 16:46.02 | sadon | it says |
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| 16:46.07 | cybrNaut | wols: yeah, there are half a dozen alternates that do the same thing... torsocks.. privoxy, torify... |
| 16:46.13 | sadon | invalid option |
| 16:46.14 | sadon | why |
| 16:46.14 | sadon | ? |
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| 16:46.37 | wols | cybrNaut: no privoxy doesn't force a program to use socks for network access. privoxy is a simple http proxy |
| 16:46.44 | sadon | sorry |
| 16:46.48 | cybrNaut | ah, i might have confused that one |
| 16:46.49 | rubidious | Hi. I'm running amd64, and trying to compile something with gcc -m32 fails with sys/cdefs.h not found. What packages do I need to get the correct headers? |
| 16:46.51 | sadon | fixed |
| 16:47.13 | wols | rubidious: packages.debian.org and you can search yourself. or apt-file |
| 16:47.32 | wols | rubidious: probably some libc -dev package |
| 16:47.36 | rubidious | likely |
| 16:47.41 | rubidious | I just dont' know which one |
| 16:47.56 | wols | there is only one for libc |
| 16:47.59 | rubidious | I have libc6-dev and everything compiles fine without -m32 |
| 16:48.06 | wols | rubidious: have you looked via packages.debian.org? |
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| 16:48.38 | wols | yes, it seems you need i386 libc6-dev |
| 16:48.50 | wols | if you had done what I told you, you'd seen yourself |
| 16:48.53 | philipp_ | wolfs its maybe not directly related but since im here lets see if you can tell me: on the rooter if i configure "Static DNS 1:" to the machine i just installed dnsmasq it means it tells the pcs where to find the dns server? |
| 16:49.04 | rubidious | do I need to enable multiarch to do that though? |
| 16:50.00 | wols | philipp_: yes. then you don't have to fudge with the router's DHCP. the clients ask the router, the router asks dnsmasq and dnsmasq asks the router again. which means in this case you need to put your ISP's (or googles 8.8.8.8) DNS server in /etc/resolv.conf of the machine dnsmasq runs on |
| 16:50.22 | wols | so when you put the ISP DNS or google's 8.8.8.8 in your resolv.conf you are good to go |
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| 16:50.51 | ssdfsdf | r3m: are you there |
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| 16:51.44 | rubidious | ah there is a separate package |
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| 16:51.52 | cybrNaut | i'm trying to /pin/ a version, and it does not appear to be working. The file /etc/apt/preferences did not exist, so I created it |
| 16:52.11 | cybrNaut | but when I do aptitude upgrade, it still suggests upgrading the pinned package |
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| 16:52.57 | philipp_ | wols: thats gonna be a problem... the dns server i set up cant access the internet (because of firewall rules)... is that a problem? |
| 16:53.10 | cybrNaut | Pin-priority is 1000 |
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| 16:53.54 | bazkie_bumpercar | hey all, i was wondering if i can somehow block incoming IP connections based on a massive text file full of these IP addresses |
| 16:54.03 | bazkie_bumpercar | so like, feed them to iptables somehow |
| 16:54.18 | cybrNaut | bazkie_bumpercar:/etc/hosts.deny is one option |
| 16:54.20 | bazkie_bumpercar | and if that's possible, i'm also wondering how much of a performance hit it will give |
| 16:54.37 | bazkie_bumpercar | ah thanks, i thought that was only for dns stuff |
| 16:54.54 | bazkie_bumpercar | like, domain names |
| 16:55.00 | jhutchins | philipp_: What is it you are actually trying to do? |
| 16:55.17 | cybrNaut | bazkie_bumpercar: i'm pretty sure IPs work as well |
| 16:55.31 | philipp_ | wols: can you follow me? im not entirely sure if i understand you right but that would mean pc wants to acess google, he asks the rooter for my dns, rooter points him to my local dns server, local dns trys to acess the dns of my ISP, fails cause of the firewall right? |
| 16:55.43 | bazkie_bumpercar | cybrNaut: ima check it out :) |
| 16:56.01 | bazkie_bumpercar | cybrNaut: also, too many nicks here start with cyb, took me like 10 tabs to get to your nick :p |
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| 16:56.16 | sadon | hi |
| 16:56.24 | cybrNaut | ah, good to know |
| 16:56.25 | sadon | is it possible to restore /etc/passwd i changed it? |
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| 16:57.17 | philipp_ | jhutchins: i have a pc with a nfs share on it. now i would like to start a dns on the same pc (to make it easyer to enter the path of the share). For security reasons this pc is not allowed to acess any adress of the internet (via firewall) |
| 16:57.30 | wols | philipp_: it has to access the internet one way or the other (if you mean the one where dnsmasq will run). |
| 16:57.56 | wols | philipp_: yes if it's firewalled it will fail. |
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| 16:58.11 | jhutchins | philipp_: Yep. You're doin' it wrong. |
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| 16:59.04 | wols | philipp_: another way is to disable DHCP on the router and use dnsmasq as a DHCP server. then dnsmasq will access DNS by asking the router, while your clients will ask dnsmasq directly and never the router. and the router DNS cacher can access the internet |
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| 16:59.11 | jhutchins | philipp_: You can use nis, or local host files, or a DNS server that has access to the 'net. |
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| 17:01.24 | philipp_ | i think i will set up a second raspberry pi to be a dns server.... |
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| 17:04.51 | sadon | HOW can I see all commands I have been used? |
| 17:04.54 | sadon | I forget one command |
| 17:04.56 | sadon | I really need it |
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| 17:05.36 | bazhang | bash history you mean? |
| 17:05.47 | jhutchins | sadon: Take better notes. |
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| 17:06.09 | woshty | Debian is bloated :) I cannot get it below 600MB with DKMS working. |
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| 17:06.49 | cybrNaut | got my answer in another channel.. apparently /etc/apt/preferences is obsolete |
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| 17:07.08 | cybrNaut | this works => echo "package hold" | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
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| 17:08.13 | sadon | bazhang: i cant find it in history |
| 17:08.14 | sadon | :/ |
| 17:08.39 | bazhang | command to do what |
| 17:08.48 | sadon | check commands history |
| 17:08.52 | sadon | i have been used |
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| 17:08.55 | sadon | but |
| 17:09.02 | sadon | i deleted the user, maybe the command is gone? |
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| 17:10.10 | sadon | bazhang: adduser to openvpn with no login |
| 17:10.15 | sadon | just wanna check it |
| 17:10.18 | sadon | and confirm |
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| 17:27.04 | damarusama | is there a html interface to help me manage vhost, like when I have multiple domain pointing to my server, or should I just use apache.conf to manage all that? |
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| 17:34.07 | e-anima | i have a big problem. i deinstalled gnome games. now i reboot. it only loads console. ok i do startx...loads gnome and all my settings are gone |
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| 17:34.36 | e-anima | i updated from squeeze to wheezy and it seems something is not working very well |
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| 17:35.55 | centrx | e-anima, Which is it? Caused by uninstalling Gnome games or by upgrading to wheezy? |
| 17:36.20 | e-anima | uninstallin games. i just wanted to mention that it is an update system |
| 17:36.46 | e-anima | if i do a gnome reinstall it will work again (with all game stuff and other software i don twant) |
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| 17:37.18 | centrx | e-anima, Do you want Gnome or not? |
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| 17:37.47 | e-anima | sure but not with games and office and inkscape. thats why i deinstalled them. my hdd isnt big in this case. ist just a small vm |
| 17:37.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell e-anima about install gnome |
| 17:38.11 | babilen | e-anima: Install a metapackage of your liking .. sounds as if you want one of the smaller ones. |
| 17:38.27 | e-anima | but isnt it strange that deinsalling some games causes this? |
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| 17:39.49 | e-anima | but i need to deinstall the current gnome first i guess |
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| 17:40.05 | damarusama | do I need to use BIND9 if I have multiple domain pointing to my server and I Want to direct the domain name to different folders? |
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| 17:41.33 | msl09 | Hi, I'm having problems starting x http://paste.debian.net/89518 |
| 17:41.49 | centrx | e-anima, It depends on how you uninstalled them. |
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| 17:42.07 | e-anima | using synaptics |
| 17:42.12 | wols | msl09: run depmod -a as root |
| 17:42.49 | socomm | damarusama: domain name to different folders? |
| 17:43.11 | socomm | msl09: please tell us what your problem is, don't point us to a paste bin |
| 17:43.47 | socomm | msl09: "no screen found" you haven't configured the screen section of your Xorg.conf |
| 17:43.49 | msl09 | depmod tells me that /lib/modules/3.5.0-44-generic could not be found |
| 17:44.25 | wols | msl09: please go back to ubuntu |
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| 17:44.39 | msl09 | I'm using 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
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| 17:45.01 | wols | /lib/modules/3.5.0-44-generic <- no debian kernel, this is nevery supposed to be on a debian system |
| 17:45.20 | wols | from your own pastebin: "Current Operating System: Linux cho-clotho 3.5.0-44-generic #67~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Nov 13 16:20:03 UTC 2013 i686" |
| 17:45.24 | msl09 | of course |
| 17:45.28 | wols | so stop lying to us you little weasel |
| 17:45.33 | msl09 | sorry |
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| 17:46.27 | wols | that's the problem. you aren't sorry. and we know, scum like you will come back in two months to try the same again |
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| 17:47.15 | e-anima | i can do: tasksel install gnome-desktop --new-install |
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| 17:47.50 | e-anima | the gnome will start again. isnt there another way to just autostart it. everytime using "startx" is annoying. |
| 17:48.18 | wols | e-anima: you need to install a display manager |
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| 17:48.21 | wols | !tell e-anima about dm |
| 17:48.31 | wols | they standard gnome dm is "gdm3" |
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| 17:48.47 | e-anima | ok i see. so gdm is broken i guess |
| 17:49.33 | socomm | e-anima: possibly |
| 17:49.58 | e-anima | funny. i installed gm3. works again now. so synamptics must have deinstalled gdm3 as some dependency |
| 17:50.10 | e-anima | thank you guys |
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| 17:51.47 | bazhang | is gdm3 standard for the latest stable debian? or is lightdm an option there |
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| 17:52.20 | wols | debian has no standard DM or DE. e.g. if you use lxde, it defaults to lightdm or slim I think |
| 17:52.26 | bazhang | ah I missed wols' post sorry |
| 17:52.34 | bazhang | thanks wols |
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| 18:08.45 | ruukasu | does sid really stand for still in development? |
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| 18:08.58 | ruukasu | one would think it was a character name like the other releases |
| 18:09.10 | mjt_ | sid is a name of a boy who liked to crash his toys |
| 18:09.17 | mjt_ | nothing than that |
| 18:09.25 | mjt_ | from the toy story movie |
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| 18:09.54 | zinx | backronyms ftw |
| 18:10.20 | ruukasu | weird |
| 18:10.31 | ruukasu | mjt, http://a.pomf.se/zcbtqn.png |
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| 18:10.39 | petn-randall | if "sid" stands for "still in development", what does wheezy and squeeze stand for? |
| 18:11.13 | jhutchins | wheezy has trouble keeping up, and squeezy has too much code stuffed into it? |
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| 18:11.24 | ruukasu | did the writer of this wiki page cleverly discover a non-existent acronym? |
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| 18:11.56 | jhutchins | ruukasu: A "backronym" is when somebody comes up with an acronym that matches a term that's already being used. |
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| 18:13.59 | ruukasu | jhutchins, but I thought that was things like the PATRIOT act where the acronym is created from a word |
| 18:14.16 | ruukasu | I guess this is that, but it's more of a "fan backronym" since it's not official |
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| 18:15.32 | centrx | PATRIOT Act was not a backronym |
| 18:16.09 | SerajewelKS | i don't suppose there is a simpler way to reboot from windows into debian remotely, when windows is the default grub selection, short of mounting /boot in a virtual machine on windows and changing the default |
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| 18:16.20 | ruukasu | centrx, how so? was the fact that it spells out to PATRIOT a coincidence? |
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| 18:16.46 | ruukasu | "The title of the act is a ten-letter backronym (USA PATRIOT) that stands for Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001." |
| 18:16.46 | centrx | ruukasu, No, Congress names acts like this |
| 18:16.52 | jhutchins | socomm: It's called the "singularity", and everybody starts running Debian on their brain and using their own name. |
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| 18:17.05 | SerajewelKS | socomm: toysoldier1, toysoldier2, etc. |
| 18:17.07 | centrx | ruukasu, Wikipedia is dumb. Don't use it. |
| 18:17.13 | ruukasu | ... |
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| 18:17.33 | ruukasu | centrx, are you a professor by any chance? |
| 18:17.46 | ruukasu | http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ56/html/PLAW-107publ56.htm |
| 18:17.46 | ruukasu | UNITING AND STRENGTHENING AMERICA BY PROVIDING APPROPRIATE TOOLS |
| 18:17.47 | ruukasu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.47 | ruukasu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:18.05 | socomm | centrx: I'm too dumb not to use wikipedia. |
| 18:18.24 | socomm | What a conundrum. |
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| 18:37.53 | hanasaki | where can the screensaver in debian wheezy gnome be set? |
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| 18:38.23 | SynrG | there is no screensaver anymore |
| 18:38.39 | SynrG | you can change whether and how long it gets blanked. |
| 18:38.41 | SynrG | that's it |
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| 18:38.59 | hanasaki | tell me your joking |
| 18:39.06 | jelly-home | yay simplification! |
| 18:39.07 | SynrG | screen 'savers' don't save anything. they just needlessly consume power. |
| 18:39.26 | centrx | Just like Gnome |
| 18:39.26 | hanasaki | what window manager do you use? |
| 18:39.27 | SynrG | even if you don't have a portable device, they contribute to global warming :p |
| 18:39.36 | average | hanasaki: I use i3 |
| 18:39.43 | hanasaki | what's that |
| 18:39.47 | average | a window manager ? |
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| 18:40.12 | jelly-home | SynrG: don't be ignorant. lcdscrub helps with burn-in on IPS panels. |
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| 18:40.43 | hanasaki | maybe I will go back to bloatware and kde |
| 18:41.00 | average | why, you can use i3, it's quite lightweight |
| 18:41.51 | hanasaki | is it in wheezy? |
| 18:42.11 | average | it's everywhere |
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| 18:43.05 | average | hanasaki: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/i3 |
| 18:43.09 | hanasaki | hmm there is a apckage gnome-screensaver |
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| 18:44.12 | hanasaki | I need something semi non tech user oriented |
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| 18:44.41 | centrx | Should I use xtrlock or i3lock or what other screen locking program? |
| 18:44.42 | hanasaki | looks like maybe xfce lxde or kde |
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| 18:45.12 | nkuttler | centrx: try them all and pick one. i like xtrlock |
| 18:45.35 | centrx | It looks prettycool |
| 18:45.36 | nkuttler | centrx: though it lets you alt-ctrl to console.. |
| 18:45.46 | nkuttler | have to keep that in mind |
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| 18:47.26 | centrx | Ctrl-Alt-Backspace still works... |
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| 18:48.14 | hanasaki | gnome 3 seems fast |
| 18:48.15 | nkuttler | centrx: that should be disabled by default on debian anyway |
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| 18:48.41 | hanasaki | strange you cannto set the screen saver and there is a package for it |
| 18:48.49 | centrx | Yeah I enabled it |
| 18:48.54 | hanasaki | how |
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| 18:49.12 | nkuttler | centrx: anyway, for me it's just about locking, wfm :) |
| 18:49.59 | centrx | hanasaki, I think they are kidding. There is definitely xscreensaver, and it looks like there is a Gnome package for screensavers too |
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| 18:51.20 | kipod | hello my fellow debian-ers! I am currently attempting to install openssh-server on a fresh wheezy box (VM, 3.2.41-2) and apt-get / cache simply can't find the package! what am I doing wrong? |
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| 18:51.59 | centrx | And...it's gone |
| 18:52.04 | kanop | hello my fellow debian-ers! I am currently attempting to install openssh-server on a fresh wheezy box (VM, 3.2.41-2) and apt-get / cache simply can't find the package! what am I doing wrong? |
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| 18:52.23 | centrx | dpkg: tell kanop about sources |
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| 18:52.45 | centrx | dpkg: tell kanop about update |
| 18:53.12 | kanop | heh your bot is disobeying you... always happens at presentations :) |
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| 18:53.34 | kanop | oh nevermind. it privmsgs :) |
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| 18:53.53 | vn | hi, if I download a netinst of debian sarge, will the repos still be available? unsure is "not supported anymore" means no more repos... |
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| 18:54.17 | nkuttler | !tell vn about archive |
| 18:54.26 | nkuttler | vn: why on earth would you do that though? |
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| 18:56.11 | vn | nkuttler: old crappy software not running on something else, undocumented and using versions available only with sarge (other than doing it by hand) |
| 18:56.19 | vn | and I need to virtualize this thing |
| 18:56.53 | vn | about archives : the isos for sarge, other than businesscard and netinst aren't available anymore |
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| 18:58.47 | nkuttler | vn: http://archive.debian.org |
| 18:58.53 | nkuttler | !listvals archive.debian.org |
| 18:58.55 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'archive.debian.org' by value (15 of 16): backports.debian.org lenny ;; backports.debian.org lenny-sloppy ;; backports.org etch ;; backports.org sarge ;; debian archive ;; etch floppies ;; etch sources.list ;; lenny sources.list ;; non-us ;; potato floppies ;; potato sources.list ;; sarge floppies ;; sarge sources.list ;; woody floppies #del# ;; woody sources.list. |
| 18:59.11 | Nach0z | potato? |
| 18:59.16 | nkuttler | !debian archive |
| 18:59.16 | dpkg | Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at http://archive.debian.org/ . To use with <APT>, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For old versions of specific packages, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 18:59.25 | nkuttler | vn: ^^ that's the one |
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| 18:59.59 | nkuttler | Nach0z: everything |
| 19:00.06 | kanop | centrx: thank you so much! it did solve the issue |
| 19:00.06 | Nach0z | allll the potato |
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| 19:01.45 | vn | nkuttler: yah thanks, saw that place and still get the miinimal install...if I have no repository, can't install LAMP.. |
| 19:01.57 | abrotman | vn: you don't want to |
| 19:02.07 | abrotman | Sarge has a large number of security issues |
| 19:02.10 | e-anima | how can one disable that annoing gnome screen lock feature |
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| 19:02.48 | nkuttler | vn: hm? the factoid even had a link to instructions.. the is the repository |
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| 19:03.16 | vn | oh, backports |
| 19:03.19 | vn | awesome, thanks |
| 19:03.37 | nkuttler | anyway.. |
| 19:04.06 | vn | abrotman: I know...but PHP 4.4.5, apache 2.0.54, mysql v14.7...shrug |
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| 19:04.45 | nkuttler | vn: we kinda guessed.. |
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| 19:05.18 | nkuttler | it's always php. though i think i once saw oracle.. probably for a php app.. |
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| 19:05.36 | abrotman | vn: I can't tell you how dangerous that is .. but it's your stuff .. |
| 19:05.46 | centrx | You are going to run a LAMP server with Debian from 2004? |
| 19:05.57 | nkuttler | hopefully lan only, and virtualized as well |
| 19:06.22 | centrx | What is the meaning of this insanity |
| 19:06.32 | vn | LAN only and virtualized, yes |
| 19:06.35 | nkuttler | centrx: better not to ask.. |
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| 19:07.20 | vn | ive told my bosses, dangerous, not recommended, blah blah..make it work |
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| 19:07.32 | vn | its already running anyway just physical |
| 19:07.39 | nkuttler | shut up, we know your job better than you |
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| 19:08.01 | jelly-home | heh |
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| 19:09.18 | jelly-home | vn: so why not virtualize The Whole Thing |
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| 19:09.29 | vn | jelly-home: thats what I'm doing |
| 19:09.46 | jelly-home | alright, and you need other software why? |
| 19:09.53 | vn | jelly-home: tried p2v, it breaks |
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| 19:10.14 | vn | jelly-home: just need the same versions of LAMP components |
| 19:10.17 | jelly-home | vn: eh. rsync the whole filesystem, set up boot loader see it boot |
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| 19:12.03 | vn | jelly-home: like dd the whole fs, redump, boot? last I tried it resulted in kernel panics |
| 19:12.41 | jelly-home | vn: not dd (but that might work), a file-based copy with rsync |
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| 19:13.46 | jelly-home | then figure out the reason for kernel panics; it might merely be it doesn't have correct drivers in initrd, thus can't find the root fs at boot |
| 19:14.23 | vn | guess its worth a try and even has more chances to workéé |
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| 19:16.18 | jelly-home | make sure the vm emulates _really_ old hardware, like buslogic scsi for disks |
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| 19:38.11 | Aut0Exec | hi |
| 19:38.25 | Aut0Exec | need help finding package sniproxy |
| 19:38.27 | Aut0Exec | or compiling |
| 19:38.39 | petn-randall | ,v sniproxy |
| 19:38.40 | judd | No package named 'sniproxy' was found in i386. |
| 19:38.51 | petn-randall | Aut0Exec: That package doesn't exist in Debian. What does it do? |
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| 19:45.46 | vincent_ | hi |
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| 19:48.44 | vincent_ | I want to use fakeroot-ng. How do I configure /dev/shm without noexec ? |
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| 19:57.51 | razlept | hello |
| 19:58.18 | razlept | i am trying to save serial port setting and restore them afterwards without success |
| 19:58.28 | razlept | someone provide some help on that ? |
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| 19:58.40 | razlept | dpkg-reconfigure setserial |
| 19:58.43 | razlept | not working |
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| 20:01.39 | Quicken2K | trying to install debian 7 from a small cd image but it won't find my wireless card (ralink) |
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| 20:02.00 | razlept | Quicken2K: usb or pci ? |
| 20:02.06 | Quicken2K | pci |
| 20:02.13 | damarusama | how do I see my version of postfix on a server |
| 20:02.27 | razlept | pastebin your lspci |
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| 20:03.49 | fritsch | damarusama: are you sure you want to administrate a server? |
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| 20:04.25 | damarusama | fritsch: still wondering about that one |
| 20:04.42 | damarusama | but giving it a try for the moment |
| 20:04.58 | fritsch | installing a mailserver ist one of the must crucial tasks |
| 20:04.59 | damarusama | the mail server is the part that I worry the most |
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| 20:05.11 | fritsch | and noe on without a good amount of knowledge should do that |
| 20:05.29 | damarusama | well got to start learning somewhere |
| 20:05.36 | fritsch | best in local network |
| 20:06.05 | esulu | sorry i can use this comando of rsync for backup the directori from server to local machine: rsync -av –delete -e ssh /Directory1/ geek@192.168.235.137:/Directory2/ |
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| 20:06.19 | dondelelcaro | fritsch: installing a mailserver isn't a big deal, especially if it's just using a smarthost |
| 20:06.46 | damarusama | dondelelcaro: I am mostly worry about smpty relay and spam at this point |
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| 20:07.37 | dondelelcaro | esulu: why are you passing -e? ssh is the default anyway |
| 20:07.46 | fritsch | dondelelcaro: if you know what you are doing, then it's not a big deal |
| 20:08.00 | fritsch | dondelelcaro: but warning users, that even don't know the basics of package management |
| 20:08.03 | fritsch | should be considered |
| 20:08.20 | dondelelcaro | damarusama: are you actually receiving mail? or just sending mail from that machine? |
| 20:08.29 | mah454 | Can normal user share files in the Terminal ? without edit smb.conf |
| 20:09.09 | dondelelcaro | esulu: but other than that (which isn't really a big deal) the command should work. I wouldn't use -delete to start with, though. |
| 20:09.33 | damarusama | dondelelcaro: I am exploring receiving and sending, as I want to try to have a full hosting server (lamp + email server) |
| 20:09.33 | esulu | can you write me please the right command that use you please |
| 20:09.34 | esulu | ? |
| 20:09.34 | dondelelcaro | esulu: as you can delete files in directories if you specify the destination path improperly |
| 20:09.40 | esulu | no |
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| 20:10.04 | esulu | i want to have one immagin from my server directory in local |
| 20:10.18 | esulu | i dosen't delete the directory from my server |
| 20:11.14 | dondelelcaro | esulu: if you want a copy of what's present on the remote server, then it's rsync -av --progress remotehost:path/to/files local_directory |
| 20:12.39 | dondelelcaro | (or something similar) |
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| 20:15.00 | esulu | dondelelcaro: thanks very much i undrestand all |
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| 20:17.37 | esulu | dondelelcaro: are you? |
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| 20:25.04 | yorg | http://www.marketglory.com/strategygame/galahad1st for all you online gamers out there, if you didn't already, use this link to register on MerkatGlory a free2play financial strategy game where virtual currency can be converted into real money. It starts out slow but in time you can turn a good profit |
| 20:25.06 | dondelelcaro | esulu: please keep it in the channel; |
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| 20:25.39 | esulu | ok |
| 20:25.42 | esulu | sorry |
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| 20:26.18 | esulu | dondelelcaro: lisen please if i want to d othe back up in zip file with date for only day , can you helping me please |
| 20:26.22 | esulu | ? |
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| 20:28.01 | dondelelcaro | esulu: I'm not sure what you're asking for |
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| 20:29.58 | esulu | dondelelcaro: i want do backup one directory from my server , in zip format every day can you tell me how can i write the comand line qith rsync? |
| 20:30.17 | esulu | do you undrestand? Sorry i can't speak very well english |
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| 20:33.53 | joltcan | esulu: you want to just create a .zip per day? |
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| 20:35.15 | esulu | yes joltcan in the name of zip i want to have the date |
| 20:35.25 | jhutchins | esulu: Look at the man page for the date command. Play with it a bit until you get a format you like. |
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| 20:36.15 | dondelelcaro | esulu: presumably, you want something like zip -r foo_$(date +%Y%m%d).zip foodir; or similar. man date; and probably eventually man crontab; for details |
| 20:36.17 | joltcan | esulu: http://askubuntu.com/questions/261079/how-can-i-create-zip-file-with-the-date-in-its-name |
| 20:36.27 | joltcan | or what dondelelcaro said |
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| 20:36.44 | dondelelcaro | (and pay special attention in man 5 crontab; to what % does and how to escape it) |
| 20:37.03 | jhutchins | esulu: Your filename might be something like backup_$(date +%b).zip |
| 20:37.19 | jhutchins | esulu: You can test this by trying ecjp |
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| 20:37.52 | jhutchins | esulu: sorry, echo > "backup_$(date +%b).zip" |
| 20:39.11 | jhutchins | joltcan: I see I am redundant again. |
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| 20:44.07 | Spr1ng | Whats the built in mail system called in debian? |
| 20:44.26 | joltcan | jhutchins: The more, the merrier! |
| 20:44.28 | Spr1ng | uses commands like 'mail'. It's not postfix / sendmail etc |
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| 20:44.40 | dutchfish | Spr1ng, exim4 |
| 20:44.41 | joltcan | Spr1ng: mailx is default |
| 20:44.54 | joltcan | Spr1ng: And Exim4 as MTA |
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| 20:46.20 | Spr1ng | ok cool thx |
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| 20:46.56 | ioudas | has any one seen this samba error before? cli_negprot failed: NT_STATUS_INVALID_PARAMETER_MIX |
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| 20:47.39 | jhutchins | Spr1ng: mailex. |
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| 20:48.24 | dutchfish | ioudas, fix userPrincipalName |
| 20:48.38 | jhutchins | Spr1ng: joltcan's right, no "e". |
| 20:48.38 | ioudas | any links dutchfish ? |
| 20:48.59 | jhutchins | ioudas: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 20:49.17 | dutchfish | ioudas, not really but i discovered that one, ones while configuring with win2003 over ldap |
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| 20:49.57 | ioudas | this is using krb5. kinda confused on what to "fix" |
| 20:50.03 | dutchfish | ioudas, whne i fixed userPrincipalName it was gone, btw older samba versions have bugs that also can throw that error message at you |
| 20:50.20 | ioudas | weird this is 4.0 |
| 20:50.34 | dutchfish | ,version samba |
| 20:50.35 | judd | Package: samba on i386 -- squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.6+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.1.6+dfsg-1; sid: 2:4.1.6+dfsg-1 |
| 20:50.35 | jhutchins | esulu: I frequently get callled away, so it's best to keep conversations in here. joltcan posted a link that explains how to do a date-based filename. |
| 20:51.10 | jhutchins | esulu: Sometimes I don't see personal messages for days. |
| 20:51.17 | ioudas | hmm, this doesnt add up |
| 20:51.24 | dutchfish | ioudas, currently i am merely using the one in stable |
| 20:51.33 | ioudas | this is compiled manually |
| 20:51.44 | dutchfish | ah ok |
| 20:51.48 | ioudas | im curious on what your fix is |
| 20:51.51 | ioudas | and how its applied |
| 20:51.52 | tremon | ,v samba4 |
| 20:51.53 | judd | Package: samba4 on i386 -- wheezy: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3.2 |
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| 20:52.19 | tremon | doesn't have to be |
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| 20:52.38 | ioudas | you caught me, this is actually for a friend |
| 20:52.42 | ioudas | not on debian |
| 20:52.44 | ioudas | ;-) |
| 20:52.54 | jhutchins | esulu: Is your primary language German or what? |
| 20:52.56 | dutchfish | ioudas, https://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2014-January/178080.html |
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| 20:53.51 | ioudas | hmmmm |
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| 20:54.33 | ioudas | yeah, that doesnt really add up. |
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| 20:55.53 | jhutchins | ioudas: It's samba, what do you expect? |
| 20:56.02 | ioudas | yeah, tell me about it. |
| 20:56.17 | ioudas | they havnt even compiled samba on anything higher than aix 5.3 for aix |
| 20:56.21 | ioudas | 7.1 is out..... |
| 20:56.25 | jhutchins | ioudas: It's like expecting wine to work the same way from day to day. |
| 20:56.27 | woshty | Is that steam package in jessie packaged by debian or directly from valve? |
| 20:56.31 | ioudas | horrible code |
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| 20:56.54 | dutchfish | ioudas, sure sure, basically its the Ldap-Display-Name |
| 20:57.00 | jhutchins | ioudas: also, #samba |
| 20:57.33 | ioudas | dutchfish, im just finding a hard time to even find out what youre recommending and how its related to a kinit failure and wbinfo -t failure with that error |
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| 20:57.57 | plotino | hello |
| 20:58.19 | plotino | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.37 | dutchfish | xingu, eekh, i am no lawyer at all, but i hate it if i can not choose what to run on my own computer or any other device. |
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| 20:58.48 | jhutchins | plotino: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 20:59.06 | tytan | Do you know a simple way to always have the latest stable kernel in Debian 7? |
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| 20:59.39 | jhutchins | tytan: proper sources.list, aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 20:59.52 | plotino | i have installed lirc |
| 21:00.00 | jhutchins | tytan: There are several utilities that will do someting like that automatically. |
| 21:00.02 | plotino | i have tried to configure the interface of vlc |
| 21:00.16 | plotino | but at the moment i cannot run vlc correctly ... |
| 21:00.26 | tremon | tytan: "stable kernel" as in the kernel from Debian stable? Or kernel.org .1 releases? |
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| 21:01.34 | owen1 | just installed debian from netinst. i don't have xset and xmodmap. what package am i missing? |
| 21:01.53 | tremon | ,file bin/xset |
| 21:01.58 | judd | Search for bin/xset in wheezy/i386: x11-xserver-utils: usr/bin/xset |
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| 21:02.15 | owen1 | tremon: what? |
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| 21:02.29 | owen1 | i am confused? what command are u using to figure it out? |
| 21:02.31 | tremon | owen1: judd tells you it's in x11-xserver-utils |
| 21:02.38 | owen1 | oh. cool |
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| 21:03.02 | tremon | in general, you might want to install and use apt-file |
| 21:04.40 | plotino | if i lunch vlc .. system thinks about but nothjng happens |
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| 21:05.34 | jhutchins | plotino: Launch it from a console window. |
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| 21:08.15 | plotino | ok i got it |
| 21:08.42 | plotino | do you know any guide to configure vlc for lirc |
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| 21:09.07 | plotino | what i need is to use the videolan player from IR teleccomand |
| 21:09.11 | owen1 | i noticed i don't have alsamixer. what package do i need? |
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| 21:10.01 | owen1 | maybe alsabase? |
| 21:10.13 | owen1 | maybe alsa-base or alsa-utils |
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| 21:12.50 | owen1 | i guess my problem is different. i have alsamixer. i just get 'can't open mixer' |
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| 21:14.03 | tremon | owen1: try running it as root, if that works add your user to the audio group |
| 21:14.33 | cybrNaut | W: Did not understand pin type 0.9.0~pre1-1 <= what's my problem? |
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| 21:14.55 | owen1 | tremon: even with root i get the same error |
| 21:15.01 | owen1 | 'no such file or directory' |
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| 21:15.25 | tremon | huh, you got "can't open mixer" just a few lines ago |
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| 21:15.45 | owen1 | tremon: i didn't copy the entire message (: |
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| 21:16.27 | tremon | try apt-file search bin/alsamixer |
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| 21:19.19 | elichai2 | hi |
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| 21:19.31 | elichai2 | is there any GUI printer manager to add SAMBA printer |
| 21:19.33 | elichai2 | ? |
| 21:19.44 | owen1 | tremon: alsa-utils: /usr/bin/alsamixer |
| 21:19.46 | owen1 | alsamixergui: /usr/bin/alsamixergui |
| 21:19.59 | cybrNaut | elichai2: cups has a web interface |
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| 21:20.15 | cybrNaut | just need to go to localhost:<some port number> |
| 21:20.18 | cybrNaut | i don't recall the prot |
| 21:20.28 | cybrNaut | *port |
| 21:20.51 | elichai2 | cybrNaut: yeah but it's not so friendly with adding samba printers :( |
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| 21:21.07 | elichai2 | (i need to manually check user+pass+domain+path) |
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| 21:21.25 | elichai2 | it's a shared printer (windows share it and i want to add it on my machine) |
| 21:21.53 | cybrNaut | oh, i just realized.. you need both. add the printer in cups, then share it in samba |
| 21:22.08 | cybrNaut | there's probably an /etc/samba/.. file to edit |
| 21:22.19 | elichai2 | cybrNaut: no! |
| 21:22.24 | elichai2 | i don't want to share with samba |
| 21:22.31 | elichai2 | i want to add an 'samba printer' |
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| 21:22.52 | cybrNaut | oh oh .. ok, sorry. i don't know how to do that. |
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| 21:23.59 | cybrNaut | i suspect you're going to need to use the cups web interface |
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| 21:30.50 | cybrNaut | elichai2: there is also a way to add printers if you have gnome... "applications::systems settings" |
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| 21:32.24 | xreal | I've installed a new kernel, but my old one is still loaded. What do I need to change to "switch" the kernel? |
| 21:32.57 | LtL | xreal: reboot |
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| 21:33.05 | cybrNaut | xreal: you mean on boot? edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 21:34.18 | kdog | One of my machines rebooted suspiciously last night and I can't find any indications in the logs. I ran debsums and a few files from mediawiki-extensions don't match their sums. I've d/l the package, unpacked it and diffed the file and there's nothing obvious. |
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| 21:35.28 | xreal | LtL :D |
| 21:35.30 | elichai2 | cybrNaut: no gnome :( |
| 21:35.40 | elichai2 | cybrNaut: any gtk printers manager? |
| 21:35.43 | xreal | cybrNaut: grubenv was the problem |
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| 21:36.04 | kdog | nevermind, the debsums are wrong in freshly d/l package anyway. |
| 21:36.42 | kdog | It still bothers me that I can't tell _why_ my server rebooted. |
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| 21:37.58 | cybrNaut | elichai2: not sure what package you could install to get the gnome printer config tool... but there is also system-config-printer-kde |
| 21:38.21 | neo1691 | Hi, I have added this line'neo1691 ALL=(ALL) ALL, NOPASSWD: /home/neo1691/bin/i3exit' in /etc/sudoers using visudo, but whenever I type i3exit suspend in command line, it asks for the password! |
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| 21:39.11 | cybrNaut | xreal: i'm not sure what grubenv is.. i've struggled to get a handle on grub. i find it frustrating that grub cannot be installed cleanly.. it always drags in broken shit that exists, and the new installs end up with the same problems |
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| 21:39.37 | cybrNaut | iow, grub-install does not do a clean install |
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| 21:40.40 | xreal | cybrNaut: I'm on squeeze, perhaps it's old. |
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| 21:41.00 | Autoniil | !help |
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| 21:42.24 | enkrypt_ | does anyone know of a recent bug in debian unstable which is known to make devices unbootable? I'm having both my laptop and desktop, which both use an SSD, become unbootable using debian sid! both of their primary partitions seem to have disappeared, I get a busybox shell on boot... |
| 21:42.42 | cybrNaut | xreal: well even the wheezy version of grub is old |
| 21:43.16 | cybrNaut | i had to use the latest ubuntu version of grub to get my booting in order |
| 21:43.24 | average | can there be two e-mails with the same gpg key ? on a keyserver I mean |
| 21:43.31 | average | sorry |
| 21:43.41 | Autoniil | I need good list.. Valid smtp for trade |
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| 21:44.09 | cybrNaut | average: e-mails don't get carried by the keyserver.. so it's unclear what you're saying |
| 21:44.22 | average | I mean, two different gpg keys with the same associated e-mail. I already have a gpg key on one keyserver and I lost that one. I'm thinking of uploading a new one, but I can't revoke the one I lost(no revocation cert) |
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| 21:44.58 | average | cybrNaut: ^^ |
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| 21:45.32 | cybrNaut | average: it's possible to encrypt an e-mail with multiple public keys (e.g. if you send to a group of people each with their own key) |
| 21:45.39 | cybrNaut | i'm not sure if that answers your question |
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| 21:46.33 | cybrNaut | btw, as you probably know, you should create the revocation cert when you create a key |
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| 21:47.51 | average | yeah, I F-ed up |
| 21:47.52 | average | what now.. |
| 21:48.03 | average | or now what |
| 21:48.21 | LtL | average: you can have more than one key on a keyserver |
| 21:48.23 | chrisoprase | Hi, using debian wheezy, I want different users to use different interfaces, am i doing it right? http://pastebin.com/dvtrJNJK |
| 21:48.31 | average | LtL: oh that's the good news :) thank you |
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| 21:48.44 | average | LtL: with the same e-mail right ? |
| 21:48.51 | LtL | average: yep |
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| 21:49.06 | average | and how will some entity know which one to get ? |
| 21:49.11 | average | if there are two, associated with the same e-mail |
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| 21:49.20 | average | by Real Name right ? |
| 21:49.22 | LtL | average: by the key id |
| 21:49.26 | cybrNaut | average: exception though... the hushmail keyserver must have a unique email per key |
| 21:49.38 | cybrNaut | but hushmail is weird like that |
| 21:49.46 | elichai2 | any one here knows printer manager that's works with samba that's not part of gnome\kde? |
| 21:50.06 | average | LtL: you're right ! |
| 21:50.35 | average | so there is a solution to my problem :) nice nice |
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| 21:51.53 | enkrypt | is there a known bug in recent weeks which causes debian sid not to boot? I've got a desktop and laptop running debian sid, and both drop me at a busybox prompt saying the root FS cannot be found! |
| 21:52.22 | dondelelcaro | enkrypt: yes, it involves grub and lvm specifying the wrong uuid, iirc |
| 21:52.30 | cybrNaut | average: you can create as many keys as you want... and you can put whatever email addresses on them you want.. they can be all the same. And you can put multiple addresses on each key if you want. there is no limit. (unless, of course you are talking about the hushmail keyserver) |
| 21:52.38 | dondelelcaro | enkrypt: it will still boot, but you might have to change the root= option iirc |
| 21:53.04 | enkrypt | dondelelcaro: could you point me in the right direction for this bug? I've tried googling all different keywords I know, cant find it |
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| 21:54.54 | dondelelcaro | enkrypt: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=741342 |
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| 21:57.28 | enkrypt | dondelelcaro: wow thats pretty serious :-s |
| 21:58.50 | dondelelcaro | yes... but it's not a huge deal; it is experimental after all |
| 21:58.55 | dondelelcaro | s/experimental/unstable/ |
| 21:58.57 | chrisoprase | hi, will this interfere with loopback traffic? ip route add 0.0.0.0/0 table 1 dev ppp0 |
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| 22:01.40 | jhutchins | chrisoprase: It certainly won't do anything good. ##networking is very helpful at explaining such things. |
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| 22:02.03 | chrisoprase | jhutchins: thanks |
| 22:02.14 | puree____ | hi there, n00b here, looking for try to enable tcp offload/setup a server as fast as it can. |
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| 22:18.10 | h1nd | hello. I have installed another Linux distribution on my single hard drive (into /dev/sda5) and I would like to integrate it into my existing GRUB2 which resides on /dev/sda3 and is normally associated to /boot. Is there any command which scans all the partitions |
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| 22:18.21 | h1nd | and add them into my existing grub boot menu ? |
| 22:19.04 | h1nd | in former times with "grub" I would only edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add some lines in there which points to my new Linux distribution (kernel+initrd), but how should I do that in grub2 which is quite different? |
| 22:19.19 | LtL | h1nd: os-prober might work |
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| 22:19.57 | h1nd | LtL: Actually I am logged-in into my new Linux distribution, but when I run os-prober it shows me only the actual Linux system, but not the old one |
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| 22:20.16 | babilen | h1nd: just run "update-grub2" (assuming you are on Debian) |
| 22:20.56 | babilen | h1nd: If you are using the new Linux distribution and want that to manage your bootloader you should ask in their channel for help. Which one is it? |
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| 22:21.21 | h1nd | babilen: already tried. When running "update-grub" (or update-grub2) it detects the first OS on my HD (=which is Win7) and the actual Linux OS I am currently on. But not the other Linux one |
| 22:21.52 | h1nd | babilen: I had Debian installed (=my old Linux distribution I already used), and now I have installed Kali (which also is Debian). That's why I am asking here :) |
| 22:22.05 | josef_ | hello installed gcc but there are no include files stdio.h |
| 22:22.22 | josef_ | what must be installed additionaly? |
| 22:22.34 | josef_ | and ther is no man gcc page .... |
| 22:24.56 | LtL | josef_: install build-essential |
| 22:25.44 | h1nd | maybe anyone could explain --> 'os-prober' outputs that /dev/sda1 (=Win7 recovery) and /dev/sda2 (=Win7 Prof.) ==> (loader):Windows:chain |
| 22:26.04 | LtL | josef_: that still wont give you a gcc man page though, for that you'll need to search |
| 22:26.13 | h1nd | what does that mean? Is the MBR on /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda2 or what is the first point after BIOS handles boot sequence? What is the first bootloader? |
| 22:27.52 | aguitel | what about upgrade wheezy to jessie ? it works? |
| 22:27.55 | h1nd | do I need for each Linux distribution installed on my hard disk an own /boot partition ? |
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| 23:43.27 | doublehp | GUI SMB browser that will not depend on 500M of deps ? xsmbrowser is not in stable anymore |
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| 23:46.13 | Brigo | doublehp, may be pyneighborhood? in tcl/tk |
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| 23:46.50 | squisher | doublehp, are you looking for a way to browse for servers, or to browse shares? If the latter, maybe fusesmb may be a workaround where you can just use your favorite file manager |
| 23:47.01 | doublehp | both ? |
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| 23:52.48 | DANtheBEASTman | i'm getting permission issues and I'm not quite sure why.. php scripts for example are giving me 'failed to open stream: Permission denied' on two different servers i'm running and apparently I'm too dumb to figure out why |
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| 23:55.42 | squisher | DANtheBEASTman, so the webserver doesn't have access. One way to debug this is to use "sudo -u www-data ls /my/file" and then go from there |
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