| 00:00.05 | jelly-home | FoShizz: what's your actual goal? Why are you suing to a different user and _then_ attempting to run screen? |
| 00:00.23 | FoShizz | Several instances of rtorrent |
| 00:00.28 | Dirkson | Hey all. Running the testing net install. When I go to set up my wpa2 network, I get "Failure of key exchange and association"... Despite the fact that this network is currently functional, using exactly the same ssid/password, for 5+ other computers in the house. Ideas? |
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| 00:01.31 | FoShizz | the chmod worked! |
| 00:02.04 | jelly-home | FoShizz: or start screen detached |
| 00:02.22 | FoShizz | But I must run it as different users |
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| 00:02.58 | jelly-home | yes, you said that already. |
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| 00:03.31 | elichai2 | i'm now feeling like a fool :( |
| 00:03.41 | elichai2 | who ask me to run that wired :() ? |
| 00:04.16 | elichai2 | anyone? |
| 00:05.25 | jelly-home | elichai2: you don't have logs? robotboy, and telling people harmful commands got them a ban. |
| 00:05.39 | jelly-home | elichai2: they did not tell _you_ to run it. |
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| 00:06.17 | jbroome | elichai2: if you're running random commands off IRC, i see how your machine got borked |
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| 00:08.57 | quebre | hi |
| 00:08.59 | elichai2 | jbroome: i didn't thought it was a real command :( |
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| 00:09.09 | elichai2 | what was that? (i want to know what it did) |
| 00:09.25 | jbroome | fork bomb, wikipedia has an explanation what the mishmash means |
| 00:09.28 | elichai2 | roboman2444: here? |
| 00:09.38 | quebre | i'm trying to run Teamviewer 64bit on my debian but it says about 32bit libraries, so i tried to install ia32-libs - cannot, i remember i was able to install ia32-libs package, what i'm doing wrong? |
| 00:09.42 | slinnn | i'm having a problem on a new debian install where apt-get stops working whenever i download a large file, say 20MB+ .... any diagnostic tools i could use to track down what's calling this? |
| 00:09.59 | slinnn | i end up having to kill process and run command again to resume the updates |
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| 00:10.30 | slinnn | ./s/calling/causing |
| 00:10.46 | quebre | we're not sed parsers |
| 00:10.51 | quebre | ;) |
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| 00:11.00 | elichai2 | wow |
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| 00:11.07 | elichai2 | that's weird |
| 00:11.17 | LordDeath | in synaptic I want to remove evolution from my system and it wants to remove gnome, too |
| 00:11.58 | elichai2 | any one here can run in his terminal 'groups yourusername' and tell me the output? (it's harmful you can google it) |
| 00:12.01 | slinnn | elichai2: if you mean my problem, i agree... ive installed debian hundreds of times and never experienced this problem |
| 00:12.31 | jelly-home | elichai2: I think you mean "it's not harmful" |
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| 00:13.55 | elichai2 | jelly-home: yep lol |
| 00:14.01 | elichai2 | jelly-home: can u run it? please? |
| 00:14.04 | quebre | i'm trying to run Teamviewer 64bit on my debian but it says about 32bit libraries, so i tried to install ia32-libs - cannot, i remember i was able to install ia32-libs package, what i'm doing wrong? |
| 00:14.23 | elichai2 | slinnn: no lol, i have no idea how to fix ur problem |
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| 00:14.31 | elichai2 | any one here can run in his terminal 'groups yourusername' and tell me the output? (it's not harmful you can google it) |
| 00:14.32 | slinnn | hah ok |
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| 00:14.56 | jelly-home | elichai2: my systems are... special. I don't see how my particular output would help you, it's not default. |
| 00:15.04 | slinnn | quebre: poossibly need i386 package if youre using amd64 in your sources.list |
| 00:15.19 | quebre | what package? |
| 00:15.52 | jbroome | elichai2: generally the only groups a regular user are in are the group with the same username and maybe wheel/sudoers |
| 00:17.15 | elichai2 | jbroome: my groups reseted :( |
| 00:17.28 | jbroome | i'm aware. i think you've mentioned that |
| 00:17.32 | jbroome | and i was answering you |
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| 00:17.55 | elichai2 | i'm not assigned to any group right now (except sudo,fuse,root,elichai) that i just assigned |
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| 00:18.10 | jelly-home | jbroome: there is no wheel in debian; sudoers is not default either. |
| 00:18.13 | elichai2 | jbroome: that's it? no cdrom etc. ? |
| 00:18.50 | jbroome | jelly-home: doh, sorry. don't have a deb machine in front of me currently |
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| 00:19.00 | jbroome | elichai2: not sure. |
| 00:19.03 | slinnn | quebre: the i386 version of ia32-libs |
| 00:19.08 | socomm | I think there's an admin group in debian. |
| 00:19.15 | elichai2 | jbroome: jelly-home: what do you say about: ? http://kmacphail.blogspot.co.il/2011/05/adding-new-user-and-default-user-groups.html |
| 00:19.17 | elichai2 | socomm: nope |
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| 00:19.48 | jbroome | elichai2: if your machine is this toasted, why don't you back up /home and reinstall |
| 00:20.01 | socomm | There's an 'adm' group, but I'm not sure what that is |
| 00:20.02 | slinnn | quebre: try apt-get install ia32libs && apt-get -g install |
| 00:20.06 | socomm | what that is for |
| 00:20.12 | slinnn | quebre: add sudo if required\ |
| 00:20.22 | slinnn | sorry, that -g should be -f |
| 00:20.24 | elichai2 | jbroome: no, it's just the group shit everything else i fixed |
| 00:20.30 | jelly-home | elichai2: I don't use crunchbang. Do you have an issue or are you just trying to figure how things work? |
| 00:20.33 | slinnn | to force apt-get over any odd dependencies |
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| 00:20.50 | quebre | slinnn: E: Unable to locate package ia32libs |
| 00:20.53 | elichai2 | socomm: adm: Group adm is used for system monitoring tasks. Members of this group can read many log files in /var/log, and can use xconsole. Historically, /var/log was /usr/adm (and later /var/adm), thus the name of the group. |
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| 00:21.02 | quebre | Package ia32-libs is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 00:21.31 | slinnn | well, whatever the package is... |
| 00:21.37 | quebre | it's ia32-libs |
| 00:21.42 | slinnn | so try that |
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| 00:21.46 | quebre | but it says it's not avalable |
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| 00:21.49 | elichai2 | jelly-home: i don't use crunchbang too, my issue is my groups are reseted |
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| 00:21.56 | jelly-home | quebre: please read /msg dpkg ia32-libs and /msg dpkg multiarch |
| 00:21.59 | elichai2 | and i want to put them back to normal |
| 00:22.05 | quebre | jelly-home: ok |
| 00:22.06 | ice9 | I have encrypted lvm hdd but debian installer doesn't recognize it, how can I use my existing partitions so I don't loose my /home? |
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| 00:22.33 | elichai2 | jbroome: this groups for default look fine:? cdrom,floppy,sudo,audio,dip,video,plugdev,netdev,bluetooth,powerdev,MyuserName |
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| 00:22.54 | slinnn | quebre: or just download it and dpkg -i the .deb |
| 00:23.20 | jelly-home | slinnn: there is no ia32-libs package any more at all. |
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| 00:24.12 | slinnn | oh, multiarch took over? |
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| 00:24.33 | jelly-home | slinnn: welcome to debian 7. |
| 00:24.54 | jelly-home | it is now May 2013. |
| 00:25.01 | quebre | jelly-home: i followed instructions from the bot but point is, teamviewer is not available thru apt-get, i downloaded teamviewer .deb from their site and still cant run it |
| 00:25.09 | jbroome | elichai2: i don't know. like i said, i don't have a debian machine in front of me |
| 00:25.32 | dvs | looks at the calendar |
| 00:25.33 | elichai2 | jbroome: ok thanks! |
| 00:25.36 | jelly-home | quebre: I missed your paste with the installation attempt, sorry, can you show it again? |
| 00:25.40 | slinnn | hah, im not up to date |
| 00:25.45 | slinnn | i should keep mouth shut |
| 00:26.36 | quebre | jelly-home: sorry, here it is: http://pastebin.com/5jGi0eHM |
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| 00:27.30 | jelly-home | quebre: if you have multiarch enabled now, run "apt-get -f install" |
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| 00:28.17 | quebre | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/06jbiyud |
| 00:28.20 | quebre | it asks me to remove it.. |
| 00:30.18 | jelly-home | quebre: interesting. Are you positive you both enabled i386 foreign architecture, and ran apt-get update after that? Pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy lib32asound2 ia32-libs" |
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| 00:32.40 | elichai2 | ok :) |
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| 00:32.47 | average | is there some variant of Linux that does memory checksums on programs at run-time to make sure they're not corrupted ? |
| 00:32.47 | elichai2 | now this is all my groups: root adm mail news man proxy cdrom floppy sudo audio dip list irc video plugdev games netdev lpadmin bluetooth fuse |
| 00:33.29 | jelly-home | elichai2: that's just silly |
| 00:33.34 | elichai2 | jelly-home: why? |
| 00:33.44 | jelly-home | elichai2: why do you need all of those? |
| 00:34.04 | elichai2 | i don't need all of those, but why not? |
| 00:34.14 | elichai2 | i mean what wront with irc group?! |
| 00:34.28 | elichai2 | maybe some weird irc client will need it |
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| 00:35.14 | elichai2 | jelly-home: ? |
| 00:35.31 | jelly-home | elichai2: permissions and groups are used to separate services that do different things, and provide access only for admins of those specific services. With group "mail" you're able to mess up EVERY user's inbox |
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| 00:36.01 | jelly-home | elichai2: be conservative at what you give a normal user access to |
| 00:36.07 | quebre | jelly-home: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux.aspx <- from this site it's 64bit .deb and 32bit/multiarch, i tried with the 64bit at first but now i downloaded the 32bit .deb and installed and runned apt-get -f install and now it works ! |
| 00:36.11 | quebre | thank you :p |
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| 00:36.23 | jelly-home | quebre: you're welcome :p |
| 00:36.25 | elichai2 | jelly-home: yeah but the question is: |
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| 00:36.31 | jelly-home | wonders what :p means |
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| 00:36.53 | elichai2 | 1. don't give him access to what he don't need |
| 00:36.53 | elichai2 | or |
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| 00:36.57 | quebre | :p means rolling eyes for me ;) |
| 00:37.00 | elichai2 | 2. give him access only to what he nead |
| 00:37.06 | elichai2 | *need |
| 00:37.10 | jelly-home | quebre: why would you thank someone and roll eyes? |
| 00:37.33 | quebre | coz i self solved the case but still im thankfull for helping me ... ;) |
| 00:37.47 | elichai2 | jelly-home: ? |
| 00:38.06 | jelly-home | elichai2: what do you need irc group for? |
| 00:39.03 | elichai2 | jelly-home: that exactly was my question, to give only the groups the user need or to give everything except what the user don't need? |
| 00:39.17 | elichai2 | idk for what i will need irc group, but why not? |
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| 00:39.32 | jelly-home | elichai2: because you don't know what it does. |
| 00:39.54 | elichai2 | jelly-home: http://wiki.gacq.com/index.php/Debian_default_system_groups_description |
| 00:40.02 | jelly-home | elichai2: I'm asking _you_. |
| 00:40.29 | elichai2 | jelly-home: it's give access to irc clients? |
| 00:40.36 | jelly-home | elichai2: incorrect. |
| 00:40.50 | elichai2 | ok, u got me :( |
| 00:40.57 | elichai2 | which groups to remove? |
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| 00:41.12 | elichai2 | it's because some weird bug in ircd... |
| 00:41.30 | jelly-home | elichai2: remove every fucking group that you don't know exactly why you need it |
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| 00:42.08 | jelly-home | after that, only add back things if something fails to work |
| 00:42.17 | elichai2 | mail/news too? |
| 00:42.30 | jelly-home | elichai2: remove every fucking group that you don't know exactly why you need it |
| 00:42.35 | dvs | processes mail manually too! |
| 00:42.51 | jelly-home | elichai2: are you a Usenet server admin? |
| 00:42.53 | ice9 | I have encrypted lvm created by ubuntu, how can I use the existing partitioning to install Debian, the installer doesn't recognize the existing scheme of the hdd? |
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| 00:44.04 | elichai2 | ok |
| 00:44.15 | elichai2 | i ended up with these: elichai root cdrom sudo netdev bluetooth fuse |
| 00:44.36 | jelly-home | elichai2: what do you need the root group for? |
| 00:44.40 | slinnn | root? |
| 00:44.47 | dvs | heh |
| 00:45.03 | elichai2 | jelly-home: without this 'sudo' dosen't work |
| 00:45.09 | jelly-home | elichai2: incorrect. |
| 00:45.13 | slinnn | egads |
| 00:45.15 | slinnn | very wrong |
| 00:45.27 | dvs | elichai2: so.... why dont you use sudo? |
| 00:45.31 | elichai2 | thats for what i remember |
| 00:45.41 | elichai2 | i will try :) |
| 00:45.45 | jelly-home | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 156640 Feb 4 20:21 /usr/bin/sudo # anyone can call sudo on Debian |
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| 00:46.03 | slinnn | how do you even have a root group? |
| 00:46.07 | slinnn | how did this happen? |
| 00:46.07 | mongaj | one day I'm going to try to type a stupid command and immediately type the command again with sudo in front of it and boom the end |
| 00:46.18 | dvs | slinnn: Everyone has a group |
| 00:46.21 | elichai2 | ok you right |
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| 00:46.31 | elichai2 | now it's just this: elichai cdrom sudo netdev bluetooth fuse |
| 00:46.43 | slinnn | am i missing something? |
| 00:46.55 | jelly-home | slinnn: he added a couple dozen groups to that user for no real reason |
| 00:47.06 | elichai2 | the last thing i'm not sure about is the netdev group |
| 00:47.07 | slinnn | ahhh ok |
| 00:47.12 | jelly-home | elichai2: what is netdev group used for? |
| 00:47.14 | slinnn | jesus\ |
| 00:47.33 | elichai2 | jelly-home: yeah, thats the thing, i remember Wicd ask me to add this |
| 00:47.54 | elichai2 | so i'm not sure if i really need it or not |
| 00:47.57 | jelly-home | elichai2: or better, "what will fail to work if you remove membership of that group" |
| 00:48.08 | elichai2 | ok.... |
| 00:48.11 | elichai2 | thank you |
| 00:48.39 | jelly-home | elichai2: remember you have to log off and back on for the group memberships to update |
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| 00:49.07 | elichai2 | jelly-home: floppy is about that old blue/black thing? |
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| 00:49.13 | elichai2 | or it's about flash drive? |
| 00:49.18 | slinnn | hah |
| 00:49.29 | elichai2 | so i dont need it :P |
| 00:49.31 | jelly-home | elichai2: I think it's both. |
| 00:49.36 | slinnn | the old thing hah, you must be under 24 |
| 00:49.46 | dvs | I think it's almost any removeable |
| 00:49.47 | elichai2 | so, thats it :) elichai cdrom sudo bluetooth fuse |
| 00:49.54 | elichai2 | slinnn: yep, 17 |
| 00:50.00 | elichai2 | but i do remember them |
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| 00:50.11 | dvs | elichai2: do you have a printer? |
| 00:50.17 | elichai2 | slinnn: floppy: This group can be used locally to give a set of users access to a floppy drive. |
| 00:50.23 | elichai2 | dvs: yeah, but samba printer |
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| 00:50.33 | dvs | ok, nvm |
| 00:50.40 | elichai2 | nvm? |
| 00:50.43 | slinnn | yeah, i use my old floppy disks still |
| 00:50.45 | dvs | !nvm |
| 00:50.46 | slinnn | for coasters |
| 00:50.52 | slinnn | i cant throw them out |
| 00:50.56 | slinnn | for nostalgias sake |
| 00:51.02 | elichai2 | dvs: ? |
| 00:51.03 | dvs | elichai2: nevermind |
| 00:51.07 | elichai2 | ohh lol |
| 00:51.14 | elichai2 | ok so, thats it? |
| 00:51.24 | elichai2 | elichai cdrom sudo bluetooth fuse |
| 00:51.54 | slinnn | thats really all you need if thats all you use.... the others are just default |
| 00:51.57 | slinnn | in case |
| 00:52.03 | dvs | elichai2: audio? |
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| 00:52.07 | elichai2 | slinnn: ok, thanks :) |
| 00:52.15 | slinnn | yeah, audio if you have speakers :P |
| 00:52.23 | jelly-home | elichai2: the similar approach works for all sorts of elevated privileges -- no reason to give a normal user access unless there's a good reason, and even then there might be unforeseen consequnces |
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| 00:52.39 | elichai2 | ammm... i think audio worked for me even were i weren't on that group |
| 00:53.07 | dvs | Isn't that what fuse is for or am I wrong? |
| 00:53.10 | slinnn | could be right, actually |
| 00:53.13 | jelly-home | groups audio, video, cdrom and some other stuff are supposed to be provided when you log on at the physical console |
| 00:53.15 | slinnn | yeah |
| 00:53.41 | alami | why when i try to install asterisk i get no space left on device |
| 00:53.43 | alami | http://pastebin.com/0SCi6Vf3 |
| 00:53.50 | elichai2 | jelly-home: what do you mean? so to remove them? |
| 00:54.33 | elichai2 | dvs: fuse is about acessing flash drives without root |
| 00:54.34 | jelly-home | elichai2: I mean, in theory you don't need to be an explicit member. |
| 00:55.05 | jelly-home | alami: is there a good reason you have separate / and /usr? |
| 00:55.16 | elichai2 | jelly-home: ok, but i will add audio+video |
| 00:55.19 | maroloccio | anybody using framebuffer tty @ 256 colours? |
| 00:55.21 | elichai2 | so thank you all |
| 00:55.25 | elichai2 | thank you very much! |
| 00:55.59 | jelly-home | alami: in fact, all your partitions are so small, I'm not sure why you bothered making more than one |
| 00:56.01 | alami | jelly-home: i thing i have chose that on the installation, because i tought that's will be better |
| 00:56.24 | jelly-home | alami: is this a physical or a virtual machine? |
| 00:56.30 | elichai2 | bye! |
| 00:56.39 | alami | virtual machine |
| 00:57.00 | jelly-home | alami: spare yourself some trouble and use a single filesystem. |
| 00:57.13 | slinnn | ciao elichai2 |
| 00:57.35 | slinnn | aww cmon, seperate /home at least |
| 00:57.41 | jelly-home | nope |
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| 00:57.51 | alami | jelly-home: yes i thing separate filesystem are for special cases |
| 00:58.08 | jelly-home | slinnn: for a VM with a single purpose? No. |
| 00:58.13 | alami | but for normal use just all in one partition is good |
| 00:58.19 | slinnn | i know i know |
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| 00:58.35 | slinnn | and ONLY use wheezy |
| 00:58.40 | slinnn | farts |
| 00:58.43 | dvs | jelly-home: Tell that to my work. |
| 00:58.51 | jelly-home | one moderately useful thing to do is have a separate /boot |
| 00:59.08 | jelly-home | on a separate _disk_ |
| 00:59.12 | alami | i use always the latest one ;) |
| 00:59.27 | slinnn | jelly-home: adding myself to floppy group now |
| 00:59.40 | jelly-home | !spank slinnn |
| 00:59.40 | dpkg | bends slinnn over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 00:59.45 | slinnn | haha |
| 01:00.18 | slinnn | jelly-home, you a developer? |
| 01:00.24 | jelly-home | dvs: my work is saner. :-) |
| 01:00.36 | dvs | yup |
| 01:00.40 | jelly-home | slinnn: a debian developer? No, just a user |
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| 01:01.46 | slinnn | ok, only reason i ask is i knew a jeli 10 years ago on efnet #debian, thought it might be you... the future NOW |
| 01:02.33 | jelly-home | might have joined that #d in 2001 by accident |
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| 01:03.05 | slinnn | hah, efnet is a baren landscape these days |
| 01:03.19 | slinnn | its heartbreaking, freenode is a breath of fresh air though |
| 01:03.24 | slinnn | no more anarchy |
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| 01:05.09 | jelly-home | alami: our VMs have two disks, a 200-500MB one for boot loader and /boot partition, and a real disk however large that has _no_ partitions at all but is used whole for LVM. |
| 01:05.46 | jelly-home | alami: this makes it possible to grow the disk online without rebooting the VM |
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| 01:06.51 | jelly-home | (otherwise, if you boot from the same disk where / partition is on, you need one reboot for linux kernel to recognize any changes in partition table) |
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| 01:07.25 | SirLagz | jelly-home: do you use VMWare ? |
| 01:07.35 | jelly-home | SirLagz: yes |
| 01:07.49 | SirLagz | jelly-home: so do you use RDM to pass that real disk to teh VM ? |
| 01:08.30 | jelly-home | SirLagz: no, vmdk-s are actually files on vmfs |
| 01:08.47 | jelly-home | (ESXi hosts, vmfs for storage) |
| 01:09.55 | SirLagz | jelly-home: ah k |
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| 01:10.16 | SirLagz | jelly-home: so you pass a whole virtual disk to the VM ? |
| 01:10.27 | jelly-home | SirLagz: two of them, yes. |
| 01:10.31 | SirLagz | jelly-home: ahh I see |
| 01:10.37 | SirLagz | jelly-home: I do the same then :D |
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| 01:11.29 | jelly-home | (can you give a VM anything other than a "whole" vmdk anyway) |
| 01:11.38 | SirLagz | don't think so |
| 01:12.02 | SirLagz | well. not unless you're virtualising virtualised guests |
| 01:12.08 | LonelyDanbo | don't suppose it's a common issue that I can change the display's settings for reflection but not rotation, is it? It pops up a menu asking me if I want to keep it, but it doesn't rotate it. |
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| 01:13.12 | LonelyDanbo | maybe it has something to do with the desktop environment? when I logged in it was selected as like "X-default" or something like that instead of... |
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| 01:23.34 | mogunus | hi, I'm on wheezy and I need a good and easy to use pseudo-random number generator callable from C. So far I've found libgmp-dev, this seems pretty good. |
| 01:23.42 | mogunus | Are there any other options? |
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| 01:26.29 | mogunus | Weirdly there's like 5 different random number generators for haskell in debian. |
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| 01:27.39 | mogunus | And a bunch of perl modules. But libgmp is the only C library I could find with a PRG. |
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| 01:38.47 | average | hey, does check_debian_iso work for USB sticks too ? |
| 01:38.53 | average | pleasE ? anyone ? |
| 01:39.07 | average | I think it's a great script and it would really solve my problem |
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| 01:41.33 | bearbop | Hi everyone. I have a (hopefully easy) question about using the installer. My network devices require nonfree firmware. I downloaded the unofficial firmware-including image from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/jessie_di_alpha_1/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-jessie-DI-a1-amd64-netinst.iso and it appears to have the firmware .deb I need in /firmware. |
| 01:42.07 | bearbop | However, it doesn't seem to be loading it. dmesg still shows errors about the firmware not being loaded, and the network autoconfiguring keeps failing. |
| 01:42.30 | zykotick9 | bearbop: for one, you _probably_ shouldn't be using the testing installer |
| 01:42.31 | nkuttler | bearbop: the testing installer is for testing the installer, not installing testing |
| 01:42.31 | bearbop | Everything I've found online says the installer will prompt or automatically find the firmware if it needs it |
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| 01:43.08 | bearbop | zykotick9: nkuttler interesting. give me one sec, let me see if I can find it, because i thought i saw something saying it was the recommended way of installing testing |
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| 01:43.27 | zykotick9 | bearbop: it is not... |
| 01:43.46 | bearbop | https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:43.53 | bearbop | "To install Debian testing, we recommend you use the Jessie Alpha 1 of the installer, after checking its errata. The following images are available for Jessie Alpha 1: " |
| 01:44.06 | zykotick9 | !tell bearbop about testing installer |
| 01:45.21 | bearbop | Strange thing for the site to say then. |
| 01:45.35 | bearbop | but hey, thanks. |
| 01:45.43 | phenton | Make sure to add contrib non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list....then do an update and upgrade....then check for non-free firmware using your favorite method |
| 01:45.45 | bearbop | I guess I'll try that and see if it works beter |
| 01:46.02 | bearbop | phenton: not getting that far because the network's not coming up |
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| 01:46.18 | bearbop | phenton: unless you meant after a "stable" install |
| 01:46.54 | phenton | Ha...oh...ya. Download the package from Debian's package site and physically transfer via USB? |
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| 01:47.36 | phenton | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 01:47.56 | bearbop | phenton: the package is actually on the cd i burned, because I used the unofficial one. But it's not loading the firmware or prompting me to provide it. Do you know if there's a manual way to load it? |
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| 01:48.15 | phenton | modprobe xxxx |
| 01:48.28 | bearbop | phenton: it's a .deb and i don't think dpkg is in busybox? |
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| 01:49.13 | phenton | You can extract the deb and copy the modules by hand...then use modprobe to manually load |
| 01:49.39 | bearbop | extract on an installed machine, not in busybox, right? |
| 01:50.27 | phenton | Well, yeah. However you can get it done. |
| 01:50.34 | bearbop | zykotick9: haha, funny. the erratta on the testing installer says it has problems with missing firmware. i guess that explains it. I've just gotta figure out how to load it manually or use the stable->testing version |
| 01:50.42 | bearbop | phenton: ok, thanks. i'll check it out |
| 01:51.32 | phenton | I've had that issue once or twice. I just used another machine to download the deb and a USB to ferry the file to the target. |
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| 01:52.26 | bearbop | phenton: ok, thanks. i think i've got enough info to figure it out now, one way or t'other |
| 01:52.38 | phenton | good lucj |
| 01:52.41 | phenton | luck* |
| 01:52.42 | bearbop | thanks |
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| 01:54.23 | dupp | my microphone works with arecord but not with avconv when i use this http://pastebin.com/mMbqt1ik, any hints? |
| 01:55.45 | squisher | dupp, maybe plughw:2 is wrong? |
| 01:55.56 | squisher | have you tried the default? |
| 01:56.18 | dupp | No plughw:2 is the correct one |
| 01:56.27 | dupp | im using a usb microphone |
| 01:56.36 | dupp | i tried with arecord and it worked perfectly |
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| 01:57.30 | squisher | just guessing there, but does avconv have a verbose switch? does it record nothing, or show an error? |
| 01:57.32 | dupp | but avconv does not record anything. I tried all possible plughw and hw options i could figure out. |
| 01:57.51 | dupp | no errors what i see |
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| 02:03.52 | dupp | It records my screen perfectly but not the audio :( |
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| 02:37.22 | average | helloo ? |
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| 02:38.16 | corvax | I'm downloading the debian iso, but I don't know what CPU architecture I have. I have an intel i7 processor |
| 02:38.31 | dvs | corvax: amd64 |
| 02:38.39 | corvax | thanks, that was quick |
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| 02:39.54 | melt7777 | devian squeeze live 6.0.7 installed lxde cannot find where to allow root login and/or autologin - nothing in /etc/pam.d looks like gdm installed but not gdm3... anyone? been searching for hours. |
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| 02:47.31 | melt7777 | np |
| 02:47.40 | melt7777 | nevermind i went w/ nodm instead much easier |
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| 02:52.41 | locked | Does anyone here know of a website where you can upload a color and get the rgb or hex of it? |
| 02:56.19 | average | where can I find md5sums.txt for a particular iso online ? |
| 02:56.35 | dvs | average: for Debian? |
| 02:56.35 | average | may I fetch it from somewhere without fetching the whole ISO ? |
| 02:56.40 | average | dvs: yes sir, for Debian |
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| 02:56.56 | dvs | average: From the same directory you downloaded the ISO |
| 02:57.16 | average | very nice, I'm looking now |
| 02:57.27 | locked | Nevermind for my last question |
| 02:57.42 | corvax | Why are there 10 different iso DVD files for Debian 7.4.0? They aren't all necessary are they? |
| 02:57.53 | average | dvs: let me rephrase please |
| 02:58.04 | average | dvs: I meant the md5sums.txt that's inside the ISO |
| 02:58.15 | dvs | corvax: The first one is the installer, the additional ones are additional packages. |
| 02:58.19 | average | dvs: the one that gives you checksums for each and every file bundled inside the ISO |
| 02:58.36 | dvs | average: Oh, I dunno then. |
| 02:58.43 | corvax | dvs: so with a fresh install I can just use the first file? |
| 02:58.57 | dvs | corvax: yes |
| 03:00.34 | dvs | average: don't PM me please. |
| 03:00.44 | average | dvs: ok |
| 03:03.23 | chrisb | why did ca-certificates package drop cacert.org certificates? |
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| 03:16.52 | pidd | Only a few of all my alias from bashrc is loaded, is there a limit ?!? :( |
| 03:17.04 | pidd | but only on start |
| 03:17.16 | pidd | if i use source after they all get loaded. |
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| 03:19.08 | centrx | I doubt there's any practical limit for normal usage |
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| 03:22.39 | zykotick9 | pidd: if you do, use a lot of aliases, i would recommend using a ~/.bash_aliases file... YMMV |
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| 03:24.35 | pidd | zykotick9: i know :( |
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| 03:25.22 | pidd | I found my problem it's my startup scripts and openbox :( |
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| 03:41.24 | bePolite | Good day |
| 03:41.30 | centrx | Ahoy |
| 03:42.05 | bePolite | my php5-cgi doesing load the mcrypt module which I need to use laravel |
| 03:42.21 | bePolite | Any Idea how I can load that module? |
| 03:42.36 | centrx | Isn't there a php5-mcrypt package? |
| 03:42.39 | bePolite | This is my phpinfo http://achoarnold.cf/index.php |
| 03:42.54 | bePolite | centrx: I've installed the php5-mcrypt package |
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| 03:43.29 | vsoftoiletpaper | any idea what I have to do for apache to listen on port 8080? https://dpaste.de/5O56 |
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| 03:45.09 | squisher | vsoftoiletpaper, you're looking at the wrong part of the config. grep for Listen |
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| 03:50.10 | vsoftoiletpaper | squisher thank you! |
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| 04:00.09 | xiaopo | hello -- i'm experiencing an issue very similar to the one described here (including the screenshots), where PNG images fail to load in a number of applications and the chromium window is red: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Xw81Fkbr_MEJ:forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D66%26t%3D118893+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=iceweasel-a |
| 04:01.01 | xiaopo | similarly, someprograms like comix give errors like the following when run: glib.GError: Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/share/comix/images/16x16/comix.png' |
| 04:01.34 | xiaopo | unfortunately, the solution that seems to have worked for the linked user -- rebuilding the gdk-pixbuf loader cache -- doesn't fix it for me |
| 04:02.19 | xiaopo | any thoughts on what might be going wrong? |
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| 04:06.22 | squisher | xiaopo, what does 'gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders | grep png' say? |
| 04:07.31 | xiaopo | squisher: the following: http://pastebin.com/Fh17cWDg |
| 04:08.28 | squisher | that's identical to what it shows for me... so the gdk pixbuf loaders really don't seem to be your problem |
| 04:09.13 | xparanoik | on an uefi bios, debian installer can't seem to detect the partitions where windows is isntalled, so i can't get a dual boot to work. any suggestions? |
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| 04:10.31 | deego | Does the debian cd 1 have gpg on it? |
| 04:11.11 | squisher | xparanoik, in general that works fine though... to what stage did you try the installer? what exactly does it say? |
| 04:11.20 | centrx | deego, https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#list-image-contents |
| 04:11.22 | corvax | exit |
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| 04:13.30 | zykotick9 | deego: yes, it's part of base. "aptitude why gnupg" = apt requires. |
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| 04:15.28 | deego | zykotick9: thanks. centrx: ah, excellent. Just saw that the live version has gnupg (and gpgv) in it. |
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| 04:16.39 | kenro | I just tried to imagecopy gparted live onto usb key. It didn't work; couldn't get past the boot screen menu. I'm wondering if uefi would be involved. |
| 04:17.35 | xiaopo | squisher: if you do 'gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders | grep -i png' do you also see the following additional line? "\211PNG\r\n\032\n" "" 100 |
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| 04:20.24 | kenro | Does gparted live fail to boot on a computer designed for win8? |
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| 04:20.57 | kenro | Or does it not even have a real boot loader? |
| 04:21.25 | squisher | kenro, I don't know about gparted live, but there's a chance you have secureboot enabled in your bios. You should turn that off if you have issues |
| 04:23.03 | Rusty1 | kenro: and switch bios to legacy from uefi |
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| 04:26.10 | kenro | squisher, Oh my appologies. I get so used to thinking nix and MS are separate universes, kinda like Marvel and DC, that when I use Linux, I just assume that everybody knows my OS from what I'm trying to do with it. I think I just gave myself mldonkey ears. |
| 04:28.18 | squisher | Rusty1, you should be careful with that advice, if you have a windows 8 installed it will not boot afterwards |
| 04:28.28 | kenro | Rusty1, Notjust turn off sec boot, but change back fully to bios> |
| 04:29.14 | squisher | kenro, it is easier, but any uefi install won't work with the legacy bios (and you don't get stuff like gpt for large disks) |
| 04:30.28 | kenro | I know the incompat deal. Maybe not spec-wise, but ... Anyway, I'm solo OS. |
| 04:31.47 | kenro | 8's gone. Deb K only |
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| 04:33.17 | Rusty1 | squisher: true enough, i've benn doing full reinstall of 8 prior to dual boot after converting bios |
| 04:33.18 | kenro | Well, I thought I'd switched leg bios, but boot parti is efiboot |
| 04:34.04 | squisher | my guess is that won't work |
| 04:34.59 | kenro | squisher, Once you go back to bios, you can't re-activ uefi? |
| 04:37.13 | squisher | kenro, of course you can go back to uefi, just switch the setting again in the bios |
| 04:39.08 | kenro | I'll just doublecheck I got leg bios and sec boot set right. |
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| 05:11.31 | Strangecharm | A few days ago, my audio stopped working. The Gnome audio widget now only lists one output device: “Dummy Output” and no other hardware that I can see. I'm on stable. |
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| 05:12.52 | thoonai | I have the problem, that I want to restrict a user to execute virtualbox only through one script, which is not editable, but Im stuck |
| 05:13.19 | thoonai | hopefully someone has an idea |
| 05:13.19 | centrx | thoonai, using suid? |
| 05:13.38 | thoonai | centrx: I'm already doing this |
| 05:13.51 | thoonai | centrx: it does not work |
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| 05:17.20 | thoonai | centrx: I chowned vbox:vbox /usr/bin/VBox, chmoded it 700, wrote a script which calls vboxsdl and set via ACL executable rights, and then I set the chmoded 4755 the stub script |
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| 05:18.37 | centrx | thoonai, What doesn't work about it? |
| 05:18.41 | centrx | dpkg: tell Strangecharm about alsa checklist |
| 05:19.58 | thoonai | centrx: I get line 2: /usr/bin/vboxsdl: Permission denied |
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| 05:20.57 | fangfufu | hello everyone |
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| 05:21.03 | fangfufu | i just submitted my first bug report |
| 05:21.07 | centrx | thoonai, Maybe that has to be suid? I forget how it works |
| 05:21.09 | fangfufu | when will it make through to the system? |
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| 05:21.18 | centrx | fangfufu, A few minutes |
| 05:21.19 | fangfufu | will i get a reply at all? |
| 05:21.27 | centrx | fangfufu, Yes |
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| 05:22.08 | thoonai | centrx: I'm so dead |
| 05:22.28 | centrx | thoonai, Is this part of a bet? |
| 05:22.29 | thoonai | centrx: I'm having this problem for 2 weeks now and nothing helps |
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| 05:23.10 | Strangecharm | centrx: (1) I'm in the audio group. (2) alsamixer lists one channel, with the volume all the way up. (3) pulseaudio is running. (4) It's a laptop with internal speakers. (5) There are no oss4 packages installed. |
| 05:23.25 | fangfufu | i am sending it using my server, which ocassionally gets marked as spam by gmail, how do i know if my bug report gets marked as a spam? |
| 05:23.26 | thoonai | centrx: no, its part of something I should develop for my student job |
| 05:23.46 | centrx | Strangecharm, Did you install something recently? |
| 05:24.07 | centrx | thoonai, There are more people in here during America/Europe daytime. Also try ##linux and #ubuntu |
| 05:24.24 | centrx | s/more people/more people active |
| 05:24.34 | thoonai | centrx: #ubuntu is dead |
| 05:24.34 | Strangecharm | centrx: In the last few weeks, probably. What file has a log of all my installs? |
| 05:24.53 | thoonai | centrx: I'll try ##linux |
| 05:24.58 | thoonai | centrx: thanks |
| 05:25.01 | thoonai | :) |
| 05:25.06 | centrx | Strangecharm, /var/log/dpkg.etc |
| 05:25.31 | fangfufu | centrx, if my bug report gets marked as a spam by the bug report server, is there any way for me to tell? |
| 05:25.34 | centrx | fangfufu, I don't know. If it becomes an issue, you can set reportbug to send the e-mail using a Debian SMTP server |
| 05:25.49 | centrx | fangfufu, What package did you file against? |
| 05:25.53 | fangfufu | transmission-daemon |
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| 05:26.52 | fangfufu | hmm ok, it seems debian's server sent me a reply, which triggered exim4's greylist, or perhaps it is the other way around |
| 05:26.59 | fangfufu | i will give it a couple of hours |
| 05:27.08 | fangfufu | if it fails, i will do it through gmail. |
| 05:27.20 | fangfufu | so you can submit bugs through reportbug? |
| 05:27.45 | fangfufu | I was following the instruction on https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 05:27.47 | centrx | What does the reply say |
| 05:28.12 | Strangecharm | centrx: I don't see anything that looks sound-y in my logs. |
| 05:28.16 | centrx | fangfufu, Yes, when you configure reportbug it asks you if you have an SMTP server on your machine or something like that |
| 05:28.30 | centrx | fangfufu, If you say know you can configure it to send through Debian SMTP servers |
| 05:28.45 | fangfufu | this is from my exim4's mainlog |
| 05:28.47 | fangfufu | 2014-03-21 05:17:09 1WQrpH-0008Jo-CA == submit@bugs.debian.org R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (-44): SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<submit@bugs.debian.org>: host buxtehude.debian.org [140.211.166.26]: 451 Greylisted, see http://postgrey.schweikert.ch/help/bugs.debian.org.html |
| 05:28.53 | centrx | Strangecharm, Anything done recently that would explain it? |
| 05:28.56 | fangfufu | not sure what it means. |
| 05:28.58 | centrx | Strangecharm, What do you see in "alsamixer" ? |
| 05:29.18 | fangfufu | i never had to configure reportbug, somehow it got installed |
| 05:29.38 | Strangecharm | centrx: Card: pulseaudio, Chip: pulseaudio, and one big mixer/volume bar. |
| 05:29.41 | fangfufu | i wrote an email in the format specified by the wiki, rather than using reportbug |
| 05:29.51 | centrx | fangfufu, It sounds like the message is delayed but will get through eventually, but your e-mail server is misconfigured |
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| 05:30.27 | fangfufu | oh right, what's wrong with my mail server, centrx? |
| 05:30.42 | Strangecharm | centrx: The big bar is labeled “Master”. |
| 05:30.46 | fangfufu | sometimes I do use it to send email. |
| 05:30.52 | centrx | fangfufu, Writing the bug itself is okay. Might be better to use reportbug because it includes certain information and guiddes you through the process. |
| 05:31.02 | centrx | fangfufu, I don't know what is wrong with your mail server. |
| 05:31.11 | centrx | fangfufu, Do you actually use it for e-mail? |
| 05:31.13 | fangfufu | ahh ok, thanks anyway |
| 05:31.40 | fangfufu | centrx, I do use it for email related to anything mildy related to programming. |
| 05:31.42 | centrx | Strangecharm, Are the bars all the way up and at 100 |
| 05:31.55 | centrx | Strangecharm, Also try pavucontrol (that is the pulse audio controller) |
| 05:32.17 | fangfufu | centrx, it does send/receive email. People had written to me on that address before |
| 05:32.45 | Strangecharm | centrx: There's only one, but yes, it was all the way at the top. |
| 05:32.55 | centrx | fangfufu, It does say "Make sure that you did turn on encryption and authentication for the SMTP server in your mail client. Ask your system administrator if you are not sure about how to configure it." |
| 05:33.01 | centrx | Strangecharm, Is your sound card listed in lspci ? |
| 05:33.15 | Strangecharm | centrx: I don't have a pvaucontrol |
| 05:33.36 | centrx | pavu |
| 05:33.52 | fangfufu | yeh, it looks like debian's server put my mail server on a greylist, which is pretty much a standard procedure. |
| 05:34.01 | Strangecharm | centrx: lspci tells me I have a `Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)` which sounds right. |
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| 05:34.55 | Strangecharm | centrx: I called it right, I just mistyped it here. |
| 05:35.15 | centrx | Strangecharm, does lsmod |grep snd show anything ? |
| 05:35.20 | centrx | e.g. snd_hda_intel |
| 05:35.58 | thoonai | centrx: it seems unsolvable :/ |
| 05:36.28 | centrx | thoonai, Why is this user only allowed to use virtualbox? |
| 05:36.56 | Strangecharm | centrx: Lots of stuff, including that. |
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| 05:37.31 | centrx | Strangecharm, And you don't remember doing anything with software or hardware around the time it stopped working? |
| 05:38.23 | centrx | Strangecharm, What happens if you run as root: alsactl init |
| 05:38.28 | Strangecharm | centrx: I dicovered that it wasn't working when I plugged in a webcam to try making a video call. |
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| 05:38.49 | Strangecharm | centrx: Not sure whether or not it was working before that. I don't use sound much. |
| 05:39.17 | rahul__ | Hi all |
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| 05:39.48 | Strangecharm | centrx: That command gives me “Found hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Intel CougarPoint HDMI" "HDA:14f1506e,17aa21da,00100002 HDA:80862805,80860101,00100000" "0x17aa" "0x21da"” “Hardware is initialized using a generic method” |
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| 05:39.51 | rahul__ | I am trying to do modprobe snd_bt_sco |
| 05:40.08 | rahul__ | but its saying FATAL: Module snd_bt_sco not found. |
| 05:40.15 | centrx | Strangecharm, okay that might be a good sign |
| 05:40.18 | rahul__ | i iinstalled btsco also |
| 05:40.21 | rahul__ | but still |
| 05:40.25 | rahul__ | no success |
| 05:40.28 | rahul__ | any idea? |
| 05:40.39 | centrx | dpkg: tell rahul__ about enter |
| 05:41.37 | rahul__ | centrx: Ok |
| 05:41.50 | centrx | Strangecharm, There's really only one bar/name in alsamixer? |
| 05:42.26 | Strangecharm | Yes. It is named “master” |
| 05:42.37 | squisher | centrx, that's because it is pulseaudio |
| 05:42.48 | Strangecharm | squisher, centrx: Yes. |
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| 05:43.26 | centrx | Strangecharm, Try installing pavucontrol ? |
| 05:43.37 | centrx | rahul__, It looks like btsco is really old? |
| 05:44.15 | fangfufu | the bug report went into the system |
| 05:44.23 | fangfufu | i am so happy. :) |
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| 05:44.58 | fangfufu | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=742239 |
| 05:45.29 | centrx | You must be very proud |
| 05:45.32 | Strangecharm | centrx: I have pvaucontrol |
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| 05:45.51 | rahul__ | centrx: so what could i use instead of that to stream audio via mic of my BT headset |
| 05:45.55 | fangfufu | centrx, this is the first ever bug report I have submitted. :) |
| 05:46.22 | Strangecharm | centrx: What should I do with it? |
| 05:47.04 | centrx | rahul__, I think it's called bluez |
| 05:47.34 | rahul__ | centrx: i have bluez.. |
| 05:47.43 | centrx | Strangecharm, I don't know, I don't use Pulse Audio, but it may show you: a) if your device is or is not recognized, and/or b) maybe just up the volume |
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| 05:48.16 | Strangecharm | centrx: In this app, it doesn't look like pulse knows about my device. |
| 05:48.41 | Strangecharm | centrx: It's just the dummy device. |
| 05:48.52 | centrx | rahul__, Find out more specific device information for your bluetooth device, then look for that driver available for Debian |
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| 05:49.04 | rahul__ | Ok |
| 05:49.21 | centrx | Strangecharm, You could try uninstalling pulse audio. I use audio more than you and I don't use pulse audio |
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| 05:49.40 | centrx | Strangecharm, it might simplify things a bit, although Gnome probably depends on it so that might not work |
| 05:49.51 | centrx | Strangecharm, Does running "speaker-test" make any noies? |
| 05:49.52 | centrx | noise |
| 05:50.13 | Strangecharm | centrx: Yeah, gnome depends on pulse, that's not going to work for me. |
| 05:50.56 | Strangecharm | centrx: speaker-test does nothing for me. |
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| 05:56.46 | thoonai | centrx: the user is only allowed to see vboxsdl because the user should no be able to change the vm settings |
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| 06:10.55 | squisher | Strangecharm, I need to go but some things to play with for you: speaker-test would be useful to run on your alsa device, but it probably uses pulse by default. Does pacmd list-cards or list-sinks show something useful? If alsa works, you should kill the pulseaudio daemon and start it with verbose flags (and logging to stderr). |
| 06:11.19 | squisher | currently it logs to syslog, so that's a place to check for errors too |
| 06:11.25 | squisher | night! |
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| 06:19.49 | thoonai | centrx: thanks for everything :) |
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| 06:20.24 | centrx | thoonai, You are welcome. Try the channel again during America/Europe daytime. |
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| 06:38.00 | Gr1 | Hi guys |
| 06:38.15 | Gr1 | I am trying to install runit on my debian |
| 06:38.28 | Gr1 | and I am seeing |
| 06:38.30 | Gr1 | 2014-03-21 12:06:53 status half-configured runit 2.1.1-6.2 |
| 06:38.41 | Gr1 | and after some time it gets removed automatically. |
| 06:38.52 | Gr1 | Couldn't figure out why |
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| 06:40.24 | shawnbon206 | http://hastebin.com/wilufoxavu.sm can anyone please explain why if i am connected to ssh through 10.0.1.6 and one through 10.0.1.10, and i unplug the ethernet cable, both of them stay connected? |
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| 06:45.04 | rahul__ | centrx: are you there? |
| 06:45.22 | rahul__ | centrx: i got an article http://debaira.blogspot.in/2007/10/debian-etch-bluetooth-i.html |
| 06:45.33 | centrx | Tuesday, October 16, 2007 |
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| 06:46.09 | rahul__ | centrx: yes |
| 06:46.25 | centrx | Have you looked at https://wiki.debian.org/Bluetooth/Alsa |
| 06:46.44 | centrx | https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
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| 06:47.49 | rahul__ | I did with first link previously and i got music on headset |
| 06:48.11 | rahul__ | but now i need to use mic of headset |
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| 06:51.42 | iamstupid | could someone please help me |
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| 06:53.18 | shingouz | !ask |
| 06:53.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 06:54.04 | iamstupid | i have a problem with my networking card |
| 06:54.11 | iamstupid | basically i ran apt-get autoremove |
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| 06:54.22 | iamstupid | i thought that command removed duplicates :( |
| 06:54.28 | iamstupid | duplicate files* |
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| 06:55.34 | centrx | iamstupid, That's autoclean :) |
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| 06:56.06 | iamstupid | :( |
| 06:56.11 | iamstupid | well now i know |
| 06:56.15 | iamstupid | thanks centrx |
| 06:56.25 | iamstupid | is there a way to reinstall those files? |
| 06:56.35 | iamstupid | apt-get undo |
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| 06:57.20 | centrx | iamstupid, No. You can find out what they were either by scrolling up in your console or looking in /var/log/apt or /var/log/dpkg |
| 06:57.25 | centrx | iamstupid, Just run apt-get install on them |
| 06:57.44 | iamstupid | well, my networking adapter was uninstalled in the autoremove process |
| 06:57.49 | iamstupid | so i can't connect to the internet |
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| 06:58.16 | iamstupid | i have two options: 1) reinstall 2) upload those files via usb |
| 06:58.58 | centrx | iamstupid, The debs may be in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 06:59.16 | iamstupid | what are debs? |
| 06:59.17 | centrx | iamstupid, At least if your network driver is there you can install that with dpkg -i |
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| 06:59.21 | centrx | iamstupid, .deb files |
| 06:59.27 | centrx | iamstupid, packages |
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| 07:00.05 | centrx | iamstupid, apt-get install essentially downloads .deb files into /var/cache/apt/archives and then installs them with dpkg -i |
| 07:00.13 | centrx | iamstupid, The package for your network driver may still be there |
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| 07:00.26 | iamstupid | thank god for irc |
| 07:00.30 | iamstupid | thank you so much centrx |
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| 07:00.50 | iamstupid | dpkg will auto install them correctly? |
| 07:00.51 | dpkg | iamstupid: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 07:01.01 | iamstupid | never heard of it |
| 07:01.12 | centrx | dpkg: bot |
| 07:01.12 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 07:01.15 | iamstupid | so useful |
| 07:01.25 | iamstupid | thanks |
| 07:01.28 | centrx | Welcome to IRC! |
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| 07:02.06 | shawnbon206 | wow |
| 07:02.11 | iamstupid | the content on the site is convoluted, i hope there's a search function |
| 07:02.12 | shawnbon206 | much IRC |
| 07:03.07 | centrx | iamstupid, Don't bother with that. That was the bot automatically responding to something you said |
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| 07:03.13 | centrx | iamstupid, Not relevant |
| 07:03.23 | iamstupid | oh lol |
| 07:03.42 | centrx | dpkg do you understand what I am saying? |
| 07:03.43 | dpkg | wouldn't dream of doing you understand what I am saying |
| 07:03.57 | centrx | dpkg are you a doofus? |
| 07:03.58 | dpkg | centrx: are you using Windows? |
| 07:04.25 | iamstupid | dpkg: i am using windows |
| 07:04.26 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, iamstupid |
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| 07:05.16 | shingouz | !tell iamstupid about msg the bot |
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| 07:05.55 | iamstupid | who created that bot? |
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| 07:06.29 | centrx | iamstupid, https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
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| 07:08.47 | Rikle_S | is there a way to get a list of all package installed (whitch are not in basic debian install) ? |
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| 07:09.46 | relaxed | Rikle_S: dpkg -l "*" | grep ^ii |
| 07:10.07 | relaxed | will list them all ^^ |
| 07:10.59 | shawnbon206 | yeah that listed dpkg and apt among others |
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| 07:11.52 | Rikle_S | relaxed: that's the problem, it's ALL, i need only packages i've installed since first boot |
| 07:11.52 | relaxed | I don't know that there's a way to deifferentiate between them. |
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| 07:12.22 | relaxed | Rikle_S: Why? What are you trying to do? |
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| 07:12.51 | Rikle_S | i want to prepare a quick config file de switch server if i need to do this one day |
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| 07:14.39 | shingouz | Rikle_S: dpkg --get-selections > list-of-installed-packages |
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| 07:15.12 | relaxed | Rikle_S: Do an install with qemu, or another VM, and record the packages. |
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| 07:16.17 | shingouz | Rikle_S: with the list dpkg spits out, you can "clone" your install later |
| 07:16.27 | shawnbon206 | what about a list of packages and what package requested them? |
| 07:16.28 | Rikle_S | shingouz: it contain base package for debian, I need to exclude theme |
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| 07:17.21 | Rikle_S | relaxed: this is the final goal : use it in VM |
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| 07:17.51 | shingouz | Rikle_S: if you do a fresh install of debian on something, then let dpkg know about the list you just created, it will install everything on the list. you will end up with the same installed software you started with |
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| 07:18.39 | iamstupid | if the packages aren't in var/log/apt/archives then i can i still copy them into my computer and install them with dpkg -i? |
| 07:19.24 | shingouz | iamstupid: yes you can |
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| 07:19.32 | iamstupid | sweet jesus |
| 07:19.35 | iamstupid | thank all of you |
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| 07:19.59 | iamstupid | is network manager the only networking program for debian? |
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| 07:20.39 | relaxed | iamstupid: probably the only one worth using. |
| 07:20.44 | shingouz | iamstupid: personally i forgo network manager comletely and just do the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:21.03 | shingouz | feh.... the keyboard on this eeepc really sucks |
| 07:21.03 | iamstupid | i used apt-get autoremove and now i can't connect to the internet |
| 07:21.39 | iamstupid | but the command to remove duplicates is apt-get autoclean, thanks to centrx for his help and you guys as well |
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| 07:22.28 | shawnbon206 | can apt-get autoremove really do that? |
| 07:22.36 | shingouz | iamstupid: check your /var/log/dpkg.log to see what you actually removed. find the network-thingie from there and reinstall it. it should be sitting in your apt cache unless you did an autoclean on it |
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| 07:23.48 | shawnbon206 | shingouz: do you use ifplugd? |
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| 07:24.56 | iamstupid | dpkg.log isn't telling me useful information |
| 07:25.01 | shingouz | shawnbon206: no |
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| 07:25.37 | shingouz | iamstupid: it tells you what has been installed and removed. |
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| 07:26.46 | iamstupid | i don't see networking- |
| 07:27.02 | iamstupid | network-manager listed in the log file |
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| 07:28.20 | iamstupid | i might write a script by myself if i can manage it |
| 07:28.30 | iamstupid | i'm still new to programming and i'm learning ruby |
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| 07:28.55 | shingouz | iamstupid: you probably will not. you have to figure out which package actually does the networking thingie you are missing right now. unfortunately i have to get my lazy butt off to work, but you could up the network manually for the time needed to reinstall. see ifconfig, route and iwconfig if you are running wireless |
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| 07:29.45 | iamstupid | thanks shingouz |
| 07:29.53 | iamstupid | i have an idea for a script or an improvement to apt |
| 07:30.06 | shawnbon206 | shingouz: i am trying to get my eth0 to go down apon removable of cable. this is my ifplugd config http://hastebin.com/cubafabuji.vala |
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| 07:30.50 | iamstupid | if a user runs a destructive command like delete a file, it'll go to a folder, then it'll get removed in x amount of days by default from that directory |
| 07:30.52 | shingouz | shawnbon206: i do not use ifplugd, therefore i do not know about it |
| 07:31.14 | iamstupid | if the user did indeed want to remove that file then they could run a different command that is esoteric and won't get users confused |
| 07:31.30 | iamstupid | i wanted to remove duplicates and mixed autoclean with autoremove |
| 07:31.35 | shawnbon206 | shingouz: is it normal to unplug a nic and have the interface stay up like that? |
| 07:31.49 | shawnbon206 | http://hastebin.com/gobageqoye.vala here is with my interfaces file |
| 07:31.59 | shingouz | shawnbon206: i repeat. i do not know what ifplugd does |
| 07:32.11 | shawnbon206 | i heard you |
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| 07:32.19 | shawnbon206 | i was moving on |
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| 07:32.49 | shingouz | shawnbon206: ask the channel, not me. /msg dpkg ask , see what dpkg tells you |
| 07:33.01 | iamstupid | example: apt-get -RTFF |
| 07:33.11 | shingouz | goes off to $ork |
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| 07:41.00 | mav | any hints/clues would be appreciated: http://paste.debian.net/88681/ machine spams that ~ 20 times and crashes after. happens like once every 2~ weeks now. machine is running squeeze and hd-nfs on drbd |
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| 07:42.33 | relaxed | mav: looks like a filesystem error, maybe? |
| 07:43.09 | iamstupid | so the apt dev team is part of debian? |
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| 07:44.21 | mav | relaxed: yeah, the fs on the drbd device has never been fsck'd since it was mkfs'd |
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| 07:46.24 | clue_h | is it normal in debian to see two version numbers for a kernel through uname -a, i see 3.2.0-4 and debian 3.2.54-2 |
| 07:46.40 | clue_h | the last because of wheezy-updates i think |
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| 07:47.03 | shawnbon206 | yay!!! |
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| 07:47.15 | shawnbon206 | i just had to unplug and replug the cable a few times |
| 07:47.24 | shawnbon206 | ifplugd is working meow |
| 07:47.55 | iamstupid | can someone tell me the handle of the lead dev of apt? |
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| 07:50.30 | shawnbon206 | iamstupid: dpkg |
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| 07:51.02 | iamstupid | that's a bot shawnbon206 |
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| 07:52.53 | shawnbon206 | thats not what it told me |
| 07:53.06 | shawnbon206 | *he |
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| 07:53.39 | c0mputerking | hello all i am having a strange network connecitvity problem can anybody help it is on my server and 2am really need some help here |
| 07:54.31 | mintgreen | how to fix this? root@deepblue:/home/mintgreen# kvm -m 500 binary.img Could not access KVM kernel module: No such file or directory failed to initialize KVM: No such file or directory No accelerator found! |
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| 07:55.17 | c0mputerking | i setup a zfs swap partition it was a bad idea crashed my server now after hard reboot i am getting network cannot connect to host |
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| 07:56.16 | c0mputerking | opps i should have said i get connect: Network is unreachable |
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| 07:58.08 | WormFood | is there a package in debian, that will decompress a dos pklite (like upx) compressed executable? |
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| 08:02.09 | mintgreen | how to fix this? root@deepblue:/home/mintgreen# kvm -m 500 binary.img Could not access KVM kernel module: No such file or directory failed to initialize KVM: No such file or directory No accelerator found! |
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| 08:03.00 | relaxed | mintgreen: try, sudo modprobe kvm-intel |
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| 08:03.50 | mintgreen | relaxed, ERROR: could not insert 'kvm_intel': Operation not supported |
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| 08:05.09 | relaxed | mintgreen: has it worked in the past? does your processor have support? |
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| 08:05.26 | mintgreen | nope |
| 08:05.34 | mintgreen | and a duno |
| 08:05.45 | mintgreen | and i duno |
| 08:06.26 | mintgreen | and i don't know about the second question |
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| 08:06.54 | relaxed | mintgreen: Don't paste the output here, but if this command returns something, you have support. If not, you'll have to enable it in your BIOS or you lack support. Run: grep -E "(vmx|svm|0xc0f)" --color=always /proc/cpuinfo |
| 08:07.47 | relaxed | If your systems lacks support you can still use `qemu`. |
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| 08:08.37 | mintgreen | relaxed, no output |
| 08:09.07 | mintgreen | let's try qemu |
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| 08:09.27 | relaxed | qemu will always work, but it will be much slower. |
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| 08:09.44 | mintgreen | np |
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| 08:10.46 | relaxed | double check your BIOS settings to see if you can enable it. |
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| 08:11.11 | mintgreen | relaxed, what to look for? |
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| 08:11.31 | relaxed | something about virtualization support |
| 08:11.45 | mintgreen | relaxed, ok,thanx |
| 08:12.00 | mintgreen | going to restart |
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| 08:19.01 | rednaks | Hi, is there any other channel for GSoC ? or this is the only one ? :) |
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| 08:19.26 | kolport | hi guys. one q. First let me state that im sorry i didnt use apper or gmtp until today. The second thing is - are there any results on how many people use kde in debian. like popconf maybe or anything? does it get the same treatment as other DEs? |
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| 08:20.22 | mintgreen | relaxed, it's not supported |
| 08:20.30 | mintgreen | crying |
| 08:20.47 | relaxed | rednaks: #debian-soc on irc.debian.org |
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| 08:24.23 | kolport | mintgreen: ? |
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| 08:30.29 | rednaks | thank you relaxed :) |
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| 08:38.02 | kolport | guys, how do i remove konqueror without removing the whole KDE? |
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| 08:40.21 | babilen | kolport: Install whatever you want to keep explicitly |
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| 09:33.13 | doebi | FUCK windows |
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| 09:37.39 | terabit | haha, in soviet america you don't fuck windows,windows fucks you! |
| 09:37.47 | Zordrak | Morning people. Long time sysadmin, no-time debian admin or user. Background is Slackware with a heavy dose of CentOS & RHEL. The company here is about to explode into a new architecture with forays into big data and I will be tasked to put the infrastructure together to support all the new dev and prod service. For this, I am considering rebasing the network from CentOS 6 to Wheezy. |
| 09:39.02 | Zordrak | There is a fair amount of reticence from the lead developer and the CTO to do this (both being overly familiar with the Red Hat way). However, the comparisons between the two do draw me to really consider Debian as a better way to do things than being tied into whatever the red hat developers whim is for the day. |
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| 09:41.04 | Zordrak | One of the things the lead developer is using to stop the discussion early is a suggestion that while debian has a much larger package base; it seems to him to be largely an unmaintained base that updates primarily based on request and thus generating quite a version tail. I was wondering if anyone could provide comment on this from the point of view of a for-profit production setup that has a extremely sensitive security requirements and a need |
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| 09:42.41 | Zordrak | Personally I am at a disadvantage having never used Debian myself - and I relish the challenge to start doing so and add a new distro to my professional capabilities list - but it leaves me in no position to balance its merits or assess the level of challenge migrating from a very well managed complete infrastructure (under FreeIPA, Spacewalk, Puppet, Foreman etc) to something unknown |
| 09:43.28 | SynrG | "largely an unmaintained base"? wow. the fact that stable is stable is a feature, not a bug. |
| 09:43.40 | SynrG | the security team is responsive to security issues |
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| 09:44.10 | SynrG | what it does not do is simply update to the latest version, because that could introduce new bugs. |
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| 09:44.30 | pl_ | I agree with SynrG |
| 09:44.34 | SynrG | instead, it prefers to patch older versions. |
| 09:44.40 | pl_ | and still there are the backports |
| 09:45.41 | shawnbon206 | yes i agree with everyone :) |
| 09:46.26 | OpenTokix | SynrG: +1 |
| 09:46.27 | SynrG | have a look at https://www.debian.org/security/ and particularly https://www.debian.org/security/faq if there are questions about how security is handled in Debian |
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| 09:48.45 | Zordrak | Will surely do |
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| 09:49.38 | SynrG | and do talk to as many people as you can about this. there may be some with more direct experience in CentOS/RHEL migration to Debian, particularly wrt. making a compelling case to management |
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| 09:50.21 | Zordrak | If I may paste a message sent to me from the LD who has played with debian in the past: just the stuff in stable seemed pretty vintage and unstable seemed what I wanted, but going unstable for everyting resulted in pain - and trying to use stable and doing pinned packages resulted in dependency nightmare. Sooo. didnt get me anywhere :D |
| 09:50.25 | SynrG | i have personally only ever migrated a single RHEL site -> Debian, and it was a small organization where the president was also the technical lead, and he was already sold on the advantages :) |
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| 09:52.48 | SynrG | Zordrak: sounds like someone who tried a stable/unstable mix. that is not supported and not supposed to work. |
| 09:52.56 | SynrG | !backports |
| 09:52.56 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 09:53.18 | tremon | Zordrak: that sounds about right. software in Debian stable is on average a year old at release time, and will only get older. But that's a far cry from "pretty vintage" imho |
| 09:53.20 | SynrG | Zordrak: a competent admin can also do simple backports as needed. |
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| 09:53.37 | osmo_SMS | !help |
| 09:53.40 | osmo_SMS | xD |
| 09:53.57 | Zordrak | It seems he was explicitly trying to run stable, but what he was trying to do required updates that stable did not have. I did counter that red hat suffers much the same problem |
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| 09:56.18 | SynrG | Zordrak: backports has, since squeeze, been brought into the Debian ftp archive infrastructure, and also have security support. |
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| 09:56.55 | SynrG | Zordrak: while we can't guarantee there is always a backport for every piece of software, many popular packages do have backports. |
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| 09:57.27 | SynrG | Zordrak: i encourage you to browse the wheezy backports and see how it is situated with updates to packages your organization may need. |
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| 09:58.43 | damasceno | Hello. I have a server with OpenVPN configured and it works fine but we need to use our valid certificate (From StartCom). We have the .key and the .pem files but I'm not sure how I can use both files with OpenVPN. Does anyone know how to do it? Thanks. |
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| 09:59.04 | SynrG | Zordrak: see http://backports.debian.org/changes/wheezy-backports.html |
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| 10:00.43 | SynrG | Zordrak: conservative policies about updates are exactly what a security-conscious company *should* be looking for. you can't have it both ways. :) |
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| 10:02.34 | SynrG | Zordrak: btw, looking back at the irclog, one of your statements was truncated by the irc maximum line limit: "I was wondering if anyone could provide comment o this from the point of view of a for-profit production setup that has a extremely sensitive security requirements and a need" <-it ends there |
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| 10:03.31 | Toofle | Hello |
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| 10:07.20 | factor | I downloaded the debian iso cdroms and seems it only has main but not contrib , is this correct , or an I doing something wrong. |
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| 10:08.23 | babilen | factor: That is correct. There are netinstall images with firmware (cf. "/msg dpkg firmware images"), but contrib and non-free are not available. |
| 10:08.38 | factor | ok thanks |
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| 10:18.16 | Zordrak | SynrG: dont worry about the truncate |
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| 10:19.15 | Zordrak | SynrG: I'm trying to compile a for/against in my head and for me I'm not racking up a lot in the against column. |
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| 10:20.36 | Zordrak | SynrG: There is one thing that matters quite a bit to me and that is managing a large scale infrastructure. I'm very grateful for FreeIPA and Spacewalk to do a lot of that currently. While I believe FreeIPA is available for debian; what would you consider the alternative to spacewalk for a debian environment? |
| 10:21.53 | Zordrak | The ability to quickly and easily view updates, assign and install updates, group clients, view errata, run custom shells, manage repositories and subscriptions to them etc saves me a great deal of time I would haveotherwise spent knee deep in individual boxes |
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| 10:24.13 | CissWit | Zordrak: spacewalk states on their site that they support debian |
| 10:24.32 | SynrG | there is apt-transport-spacewalk, but no server support in debian that i can see |
| 10:24.43 | SynrG | so fsvo "support" :) |
| 10:25.32 | SynrG | i'm not intimately familiar with the needs of enterprise. i'm sure there are tools in debian for management of many machines |
| 10:25.43 | SynrG | i'm just not the right person to ask about it :) |
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| 10:26.05 | SynrG | Zordrak: there is also the debian-user mailing list for some of these inquiries. |
| 10:26.23 | OpenTokix | Enterprise == Hardly working closed source system with expensive support contracts and lousy performance. |
| 10:26.29 | SynrG | Zordrak: you probably have a lot of questions that need answering. try to keep it to one issue per post. |
| 10:27.41 | SynrG | OpenTokix: that is *a* view of Enterprise. another angle is: "a large deployment with a lot of systems used by a not-necessarily homogenous user base and a need to maintain them all cost-effectively" |
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| 10:27.42 | CissWit | Zordrak: anyway i don't know about spacewalk, but to achieve that kind of goal the new fashion tool are program l ike chef and puppet that allow you to manage huge number of servers. fanout and fanterm are good tool that allow you to execute commands on multiple server and have a look at the outputs. |
| 10:28.05 | CissWit | Still the userinterface is not as shiny as the spacewalk screenshots, for su re. |
| 10:28.12 | OpenTokix | SynrG: "cost-efficently" mmm yeah =) |
| 10:28.16 | SynrG | OpenTokix: just because there are a lot of bad implementations out there doesn't mean enterprise solutions have to be uniformly bad :P |
| 10:28.20 | OpenTokix | SynrG: nmore like "I will pay for this, and cover my ass" =) |
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| 10:28.54 | OpenTokix | SynrG: My view of enterprise is usally more toward "Blame someone and you are safe" than "Make a solution" |
| 10:29.30 | SynrG | clearly i've touched a nerve. i think focusing on Zordrak's needs rather than grinding this particular axe should be the direction for the rest of the session .. |
| 10:30.12 | SynrG | or further bitching -> #debian-offtopic :) i'm not saying you should just put up or shut up. you have a legitimate point. i just don't see how it's helping Zordrak |
| 10:30.38 | OpenTokix | SynrG: =) |
| 10:31.01 | OpenTokix | SynrG: valid points =) - please continue helping Zordrak |
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| 10:31.50 | SynrG | Zordrak: there is https://lists.debian.org/debian-enterprise/ ... maybe you can find some advice here? |
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| 10:33.14 | markotitel | I have started "ping 8.8.8.8 &" how can I switch to that subshell? |
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| 10:33.27 | SynrG | markotitel: fg |
| 10:33.49 | markotitel | SynrG, thanks |
| 10:33.54 | SynrG | or if you noticed the [#] when it was backgrounded: |
| 10:33.56 | SynrG | fg # |
| 10:34.04 | SynrG | (useful when you've backgrounded multiple things) |
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| 10:35.03 | SynrG | markotitel: also 'jobs' to list backgrounded jobs if you *didn't* notice :) |
| 10:35.22 | markotitel | SynrG, wow man thanks for these :) |
| 10:35.24 | SynrG | markotitel: see 'help fg', 'help bg', 'help jobs' |
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| 10:38.36 | Zordrak | As it stands I am already using puppet for configuration management; but I've yet to see it be usful for package management. |
| 10:39.03 | Zordrak | You can use it to explicitly set versions for certain puppet-configured services |
| 10:39.21 | Zordrak | But keeping your systems up to date in general seems beyond the scope |
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| 10:42.50 | Zordrak | Obviously it might be considered dangerous to automatically script unattended updates for all systems as there needs to be some level of basic approval process |
| 10:43.28 | Zordrak | And that's effectively what spacewalk provides. Here, these systems have updates available. Would you like to apply any of them. If so to which or all systems would you lik to apply which or all updates |
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| 10:47.52 | SynrG | Zordrak: the migration will probably take some time. while in transition, you could continue to run a CentOS spacewalk server and communicate with it from the debian systems using the apt spacewalk plugin |
| 10:48.04 | esparta90 | is there a netbeans repository for install a more fresh version?? I was installed apt-get version and not works fine, also is very old |
| 10:48.11 | SynrG | maybe during that time some other solution will become apparent allowing you to make a complete move to debian. |
| 10:49.19 | Zordrak | Bear in mind what I'm considering here is not a slow transition. A new architecture will be built from the ground up with a new domain, new hypervisors in a new location. The choice to be made is what OS will form the core of that architecture. Do we use CentOS again, or do we consider debian. |
| 10:51.11 | SynrG | Zordrak: given that spacewalk seems to be a sticking point, and i'm at the end of what i can advise (and others aren't volunteering solutions) maybe it's time to check out the debian-enterprise list? i started walking through the archive looking for answers but got bored and gave up :) |
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| 11:03.35 | Zordrak | SynrG: It's not necessarily that spacewalk is a sticking point, but the matter of man hours required to maintain systems on a large-scale. Certainly from the reasearch I have been doing this morning it does appear that Debian is the better choice for the smaller scale; but once you start talking about clusters of boxes - debian can start to fall down in comparison |
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| 11:03.56 | Zordrak | I will continue to investigate and will check out the enterprise ML |
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| 11:04.30 | SynrG | Zordrak: sure. and for my own curiosity's sake, i'd love to hear the outcome. good luck! |
| 11:04.40 | ccaione | hi guys, what's wrong with libm (but I had the same problem with libz) http://pastebin.com/8E08mj3q |
| 11:04.42 | Zordrak | But it does look like this could well come down to enterprise management and familiarity.. and if EM isn't up to scratch, with familiarity in favour of rhel, debian may lose this one. |
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| 11:05.36 | Zordrak | Bearing in mind that my initial preference would have been Slackware (which wins on security, stability and familiarity); but the reason slackware must be discounted is the enterprise management. |
| 11:05.40 | SynrG | Zordrak: one more thing. from the debian website there's a "who's using debian" |
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| 11:06.49 | SynrG | hmm, let me see if i can find that |
| 11:07.19 | thomaschaaf | Hey, I am using a e1000e and have the problem that the routing table is not updated if I unplug the cable. ifconfig only removes the "RUNNING" flag. If monitor my network with "ip monitor" it does register the unplugging but seems to not remove the ip, etc |
| 11:07.26 | SynrG | Zordrak: https://www.debian.org/users/#com |
| 11:07.33 | Zordrak | SynrG: Have just reviewed the list |
| 11:08.32 | thomaschaaf | do I need something like netplug? |
| 11:08.38 | Zordrak | It almost reinforces my fears.. most of the relevant organisations doing a similar thing refer to teams and offices.. which identifies with what I said about Debian winning the smaller scale war - but I don't see a lot of lerger-scale. There's some here and there |
| 11:09.08 | bhuddah | i know t-systems uses lots of debian... |
| 11:09.17 | Zordrak | Although I imagine the Australian Liquor Network must be quite big :-D |
| 11:09.47 | bhuddah | Zordrak: of what scale are we talking here? |
| 11:09.50 | SynrG | Zordrak: follow the links. they contain a little blurb of *how* it is used |
| 11:10.05 | SynrG | although i guess you may have already done this :) |
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| 11:10.10 | Zordrak | *nod* :) |
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| 11:11.15 | Zordrak | I once managed a network that was large and physical but entirely internal. There were openvpn boxes, mysql boxes, an svn box, a backup box etc etc and I ran the lot on Slackware. |
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| 11:11.37 | Zordrak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:12.10 | petn-randall | thomaschaaf: How have you configured the interface? If you do it manually, or with /etc/network/interfaces, it won't bring the interface down. |
| 11:12.18 | petn-randall | (when unplugged) |
| 11:13.02 | thomaschaaf | petn-randall: allow-hotplug eth0 auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp installed netplug and that seems to work okay |
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| 11:13.55 | SynrG | Zordrak: for a long time i have run debian unstable on my desktop at a small software development company that is mostly OpenVMS & Windows. i now also co-admin a single Debian stable server. so, a much smaller deployment than what you have in mind. |
| 11:14.29 | petn-randall | thomaschaaf: Glad it worked. The other alternative would be network-manager, depending on what type of machine it is. |
| 11:14.48 | Zordrak | In terms of scale I am now talking about potentially 200 employees across multiple locations, primarily software developers with central two factor authentication (probably like facebook's 2FAC) with clusters of servers providing a 100% available infrastructure supporting both an internal development environment but also a large scale internally-developed public service incorporating big data archiving, and multiply-redundant APIs and web and mob |
| 11:15.24 | SynrG | Zordrak: as for testing on workspaces, i don't see why stable + backports wouldn't work, and would be preferable except in the case where the workstation owner is able to deal with the issues that come with running a testing system. |
| 11:15.31 | pikaro | hi! stupid question here -- when running sid, can I also have entries for stable and testing in my sources.list without running into problems? there are sometimes packages that are only available in stable, for instance, and installing them manually works fine. if I could add those to dependency resolution, that would be great. |
| 11:15.38 | thomaschaaf | I have wifi and ethernet connected and would like to fall over to wifi if ethernet is unplugged. That works well now except for the default route. https://gist.github.com/thomaschaaf/0118b518126c408b7db7 and after unplugging its: https://gist.github.com/thomaschaaf/6c26878b8518d492ad79 |
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| 11:15.54 | tremon | pikaro: yes |
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| 11:16.08 | Zordrak | I'm afraid I think I have my answer - one that will I'm sure make rackspace very happy |
| 11:16.10 | pikaro | tremon, thanks! |
| 11:16.19 | bhuddah | Zordrak: so you're talking about the client workstations and the servers to manage? |
| 11:16.24 | colo-work | are there no tokyotyrant Perl binding in Debian, or am I too ignorant to find them? |
| 11:16.54 | Zordrak | bhuddah: The primary concern is the internal infra and pthe production infra. clients will be untrusted and will not be of great consequence. We will allow for mac, windows, linux and mobile |
| 11:17.24 | bhuddah | Zordrak: so you're plan to manage something in the scale of a few hundred servers max? |
| 11:17.52 | Zordrak | bhuddah: Difficult to say at this point but the number sounds reasonable |
| 11:18.45 | SynrG | pikaro, tremon: no! |
| 11:19.08 | bhuddah | i wouldn't try to overengineer then. central config management seems reasonable to keep track of everything... but you're not gonna install or update more than a couple of servers a week. so no need to have it all done at the beginning. |
| 11:19.40 | SynrG | pikaro, tremon: ah, hmm, sorry, read too quickly. :) 'when running sid' ... |
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| 11:20.07 | SineDeviance | hi all! i am having a very strange issue |
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| 11:20.21 | Zordrak | bhuddah: In the current setup, with 20 servers running CentOS (i appreciate the package development paradigm is not the same), I manage approximately 20 updates per week per box |
| 11:20.23 | bhuddah | Zordrak: and yes. for that scale spacewalk is a nice solution. but it gets complex quickly for larger deployments. |
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| 11:20.45 | bhuddah | Zordrak: updates to the OS? |
| 11:20.45 | pikaro | SynrG, no problem - good to have confirmation! (Which I assume this is.) |
| 11:20.47 | SynrG | pikaro: so yes, you can do that without issues. |
| 11:20.51 | Zordrak | maybe 10 pwpb, but the idea is the same |
| 11:20.57 | pikaro | nice, thanks |
| 11:21.01 | SynrG | pikaro: also, see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net for support |
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| 11:21.32 | Zordrak | bhuddah: Yes, bits and bobs. Obviously a lot of update to tzdata, but also patches to libraries all over the place, libvirt this week for example |
| 11:21.52 | pikaro | SynrG, will do |
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| 11:21.55 | SineDeviance | i am trying to mount a windows share with the following fstab entry format > //192.168.10.xx/share /media/share cifs credentials=/home/user/.smb,iocharset=utf8,nobootwait,sec=ntlm 0 0 |
| 11:22.07 | SineDeviance | it is not working with mount error 22 when i try mount -a |
| 11:22.08 | bhuddah | Zordrak: i'm just thinking about how you will cope with the testing effort for that amount. i fear testing is lots and lots more work than the actual upgrading. |
| 11:22.13 | SineDeviance | now, it works if i remove nobootwait |
| 11:22.35 | SynrG | Zordrak: one of the reasons i keep pushing you back to the mailing lists to ask there as well is, perhaps maintainers of large infra don't really have much time to hang out on irc because they're too busy successfully looking after their large deployments :) |
| 11:22.37 | SineDeviance | i have cifs-utils and samba both installed and up to date. this is debian 7 btw. |
| 11:22.52 | SineDeviance | does cifs no longer work with nobootwait flag? |
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| 11:23.48 | SineDeviance | i also tried the bg option instead. same issue. |
| 11:23.59 | SineDeviance | but noauto, etc. options work as usual |
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| 11:24.18 | Zordrak | bhuddah: In the most case testing is not necessarily required. Java updates require it as it is effectively major version changes; but everything else is bugfix and security backports that have been well tested in RHEL before they reach my boxes. In the most case something of concern need only be held back a few weeks to look for any major concerns raised in the community. |
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| 11:24.45 | Zordrak | I'm just looking at todays list |
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| 11:25.26 | Zordrak | autofs-5.0.5-89, librelp-1.2.5-1, postgresql910x09.3.4-1 and quota-3.17-21 |
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| 11:26.02 | Zordrak | librelp applies to all boxes as they are using a from-upstream rsyslog in order to ship JSON format direct to logstash |
| 11:26.30 | Zordrak | autofs is not currently in use, but is a base install - though I will probably start to use it depending on how I decide tohandle the central homedir issue. |
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| 11:26.55 | Zordrak | and obviously there's a lot of PGSQL to handle, but gaain that's from the pgdg repo |
| 11:27.34 | Zordrak | Nonetheless when each requires application to the boxes they are installed on, I have no idea how a debian admin would manage that for a large infrastructure |
| 11:27.58 | Zordrak | I was hoping the answer was a simple one but it doesn't appear to be the case at present |
| 11:28.04 | bhuddah | Zordrak: if you plan to always deploy directly to production you can use every solution and even just a basic update script to do your work. |
| 11:28.35 | Zordrak | bhuddah: It doesn't provide the conditionality. I never want these updates to automagically apply; I need to vet and test selectively |
| 11:28.50 | bhuddah | brb |
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| 11:30.25 | tremon | Zordrak: as a sidenote, the usual need to vet and test updates selectively is because "regular" updates might alter behaviour |
| 11:30.48 | tremon | debian updates don't |
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| 11:33.08 | tremon | although I agree with not blindly pushing them anyway |
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| 11:36.42 | SynrG | tremon: earlier Zordrak talked about the need to stay current, so let's assume he would be deploying stable+backports. certainly there is still a need to vet+test with updates to, say, new web browser version / plugins from backports pushed to the workstation |
| 11:36.46 | SynrG | workstations* |
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| 11:39.05 | SynrG | istr a fellow gave a technical talk at our LUG about some web-based infrastructure built around puppet that would manage updates in this fashion ... let me dig up my notes ... |
| 11:40.35 | tremon | I'm not in that situation, but maintaining a private repository and controlling the migration of updates into that repository might be more useful |
| 11:41.12 | tremon | that would avoid having to use per-machine actions (scripted or not) to pull the updates |
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| 11:47.12 | SynrG | Zordrak: ah, http://theforeman.org/ |
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| 11:52.22 | Zordrak | SynrG: "ah"? |
| 11:52.26 | SynrG | Zordrak: upstream provides debian packages. there is a foremancli front-end in debian, and there is a two-year old request here to get it into the Debian archive: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=663101 |
| 11:52.39 | Zordrak | SynrG: Bearing in mind I am already using foreman :p |
| 11:52.46 | SynrG | Zordrak: yes. "ah, this is the thing the fellow gave a technical talk for ..." |
| 11:52.48 | SynrG | ok |
| 11:52.51 | Zordrak | gotcha |
| 11:52.56 | SynrG | so you mentioned this earlier and i forgot :) |
| 11:53.05 | Zordrak | and I am WILDLY disappointed with theforeman at the moment |
| 11:53.10 | SynrG | hmm |
| 11:53.48 | Zordrak | There are too many basic capabilities missing. Too many "I know you can do that completely fine in puppet, but in theforeman You Shall Not Pass" |
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| 11:54.18 | SynrG | does this software attempt to fill the same niche as spacewalk? |
| 11:54.21 | Zordrak | There are no class-groups yet, only host-groups - however a host may only be a mamber of one host group. |
| 11:54.54 | Zordrak | So you want to add a class to more than one host as you cannot add it to a group and apply the group to hosts.. well you have to do it one by one, you cannot assign a class to more than one group at once. |
| 11:54.54 | SynrG | in my mind it was similar, but then again i may not have been as raptly attentive to the talk as i might've been if i actually needed such a thing |
| 11:55.00 | SynrG | ;) |
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| 11:55.28 | Zordrak | You can use the API or the API CLI hammer.. until you realise that as there is no api call to add a class, you have to, for each host, pull the whole list of classes applied, add the one you want to add and then push back the whole class list. |
| 11:55.42 | Zordrak | SynrG: the relationship to spacewalk is tricky |
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| 11:55.51 | SynrG | the fact that there is only a stale 2-year-old RFP for it means either/or: there's not huge demand for it, or there is demand for it but that demand is being met by upstream providing debian packages. |
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| 11:56.20 | Zordrak | rh satellite (from which spacewalk comes) will join hands with foreman at v7 |
| 11:56.29 | Zordrak | but v6 it's completely diffferent |
| 11:56.48 | SynrG | hmm |
| 11:56.48 | Zordrak | http://www.redhat.com/summit/2011/presentations/summit/whats_next/thursday/summit-2011.warner_sanders_t_1400_future_of_satellite-v7.pdf |
| 11:57.30 | bhuddah | the future satellite replacement will build on completely different technology. |
| 11:57.38 | Zordrak | Basically, RHNS/Spacewalk will be puppetised |
| 11:58.06 | bullgard4 | How can determine in what path and fiilename MySQL stores the user data? '~$ find / -name '*.MYD' 2>/dev/null' does not produce any output. |
| 11:58.16 | Zordrak | The Foreman will be the new provisioning engine instead of the current cobbler |
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| 11:58.30 | Zordrak | Pulp will be the new repo engine instead of the RHNS method |
| 11:58.45 | Zordrak | and katello will replace the current fromt end |
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| 12:00.11 | SynrG | i see |
| 12:00.20 | Zordrak | Back to what I was saying.. In order to move my puppet configuration into theforeman I had to rewrite a lot of it to make it foreman-compatible and yet it's still a pain in the arse. |
| 12:00.47 | bhuddah | again i raise overengineering. |
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| 12:00.59 | SynrG | Zordrak: are theforeman's flaws a maturity problem, or is it just a bad fit from the get go? |
| 12:01.10 | Zordrak | I'm only keeping theforeman for now as I figure it's coming anyway so I might as well get used to it from the ground up and its a much better reporting interface than puppetdashboard for non puppet-enterprise users |
| 12:01.20 | Zordrak | SynrG: Maturity |
| 12:01.50 | SynrG | Zordrak: and otherwise it would be a good functional replacement for spacewalk? |
| 12:01.53 | Zordrak | SynrG: With a little bit of stubbornness thrown in to the mix |
| 12:02.07 | Zordrak | SynrG: Well, not a replacement for spacewalk no. |
| 12:02.16 | Zordrak | Definitely a replacement for the cobbler part of spacewalk |
| 12:02.21 | SynrG | gotcha |
| 12:02.25 | Guest76290 | Zordrak: or immaturity? |
| 12:02.27 | Zordrak | but without katello & pulp it's not the same featureset |
| 12:04.01 | Zordrak | Given how well spacewalk does what it does, I'm not migrating my v6 spacewalk to a foreman, katello & pulp combination it just doesnt make sense; I will migrate at spacewalk v7 - but I implemented foreman for the specific purpose of being an ENC for puppet and a replacement for puppetdashboard |
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| 12:04.25 | SynrG | Zordrak: even if you don't go with debian due to these problems, you are clearly a careful analyst and articulate about what your company needs. i'm sure adding your voice on the lists would help us at least with a self-assessment of where we are with respect to support for your kind of organization, and where we need to be, say one or two releases down the road. |
| 12:04.27 | Zordrak | And I have migrated any configuration managament that spacewalak was doing into puppet, with the exception of course of software channle membership |
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| 12:05.58 | SynrG | i remember back at DC10 hearing at least one talk about the state of debian support for enterprise and (again, details about things i didn't personally need at the time are hazy :) recall an acknowledgement that we might not be "there" yet :) |
| 12:06.02 | Zordrak | I appreciate the ego-inflation; however not actually running a debian install nor being familiar with it makes it very hard to contribute. Suffice it to say the key issue is one of direct control over large numbers of systems. |
| 12:06.23 | SynrG | nods |
| 12:06.36 | Zordrak | The examples already exist on how to achieve it; I can only point at them. |
| 12:06.46 | bhuddah | it certainly depends a lot on the individual goals. |
| 12:07.04 | Zordrak | Wading into a debian ML to say "Hey noobs, duplicate spacewalk" is not going to get me very far ;-) |
| 12:07.16 | colo-work | we have a local package repository for some stuff that's not in Debian proper (mostly CPAN modules). it's in kind of a sorry state, due to being old and having been set up by people who didn't fully understand what they were undertaking. I'd like to start anew, with proper signing of packages etc. - will https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository be my best bet at having some docs about that? |
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| 12:08.20 | SynrG | Zordrak: that wasn't exactly what i meant ... |
| 12:08.36 | Zordrak | hehe.. I know - just being facetious. |
| 12:09.22 | Zordrak | A little hyperbole goes a long way.. until it's mistaken as deliberate intent and you don't have time to suit-up before the flamewar begins |
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| 12:10.38 | SynrG | Zordrak: i believe that DC10 talk was by Russ Allbery. you may have heard of him |
| 12:10.45 | bhuddah | i find things like docker very interesting... from a systems management perspective. |
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| 12:11.02 | SynrG | Zordrak: http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/notes/debian/debian-slides.pdf |
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| 12:12.55 | SynrG | Zordrak: there may be a video archive of that talk if you wanted to hear it |
| 12:13.05 | wubic | Any great podcast for linux ? |
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| 12:13.51 | Zordrak | *nod* thanks for the refs |
| 12:14.36 | SynrG | anyway, burning up too much time here rather than doing work. as i said, i am interested to hear how your story turns out |
| 12:14.53 | bhuddah | yep. /me too. |
| 12:15.14 | SynrG | Zordrak: synrg@debian.org if you want to drop an email |
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| 12:22.21 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 12:22.22 | SynrG | Zordrak: yes. it was video archived: http://penta.debconf.org/dc10_schedule/events/578.en.html |
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| 12:23.10 | SynrG | in fact, i'm thinking i'll rewatch this later :) |
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| 12:24.34 | ShapeShifter499 | I want to compile a HPN (high performance network) SSH for my debian system. I think I understand what to do to compile it but how do I nicely package it so that when other packages/applications/programs go looking for a ssh installed (via apt-get, dpkg, etc.) package they don't error out |
| 12:24.55 | wols | ShapeShifter499: you can use equivs |
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| 12:25.54 | Zordrak | SynrG: okeydokey |
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| 12:29.16 | brontosaurusrex | is there something that can preview doc files very fast? |
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| 12:29.20 | SynrG | Zordrak: oh, and one final link. this is the team page that goes with that list i dug up for you: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianEnterpriseTeam |
| 12:29.26 | brontosaurusrex | been using abiword so far ... |
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| 12:29.29 | ShapeShifter499 | wols: if I understand what I read online, that just allows for a "fake" package to avoid installing a dependency. Or in my case, something that is there but not installed the tradition deb file/apt-get way? |
| 12:29.37 | speakman | Hi folks. Is there any debian-kernel specific channel on Freenode? |
| 12:29.51 | ShapeShifter499 | *traditional |
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| 12:30.21 | speakman | I'm trying to get netconsole working (through modprobe) and all parameters are set but there is no output what so ever. |
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| 12:30.29 | SynrG | Zordrak: so it is as i feared, there was some initial interest expressed around DC10, inspired by Russ's talk, but progress since then has not been overly visible. |
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| 12:31.40 | wols | ShapeShifter499: yes |
| 12:32.00 | wols | ShapeShifter499: like something you installed manually but still want debian to know about, like your special ssh |
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| 12:34.35 | speakman | I can't get netconsole working on 3.2.0-4-amd64 kernel. No matter what I do, it won't send any UDP data at all. |
| 12:34.46 | ShapeShifter499 | wols: I just found out about that handy performance patch but found out that debian devs (at least in 2012) didn't want to merge it or make a new ssh package just for that patch. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=693424 |
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| 12:36.44 | ShapeShifter499 | wols: I fail to see why they wouldn't want to add it unless debian devs made some crazy incompatible patches to their openssh |
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| 12:41.40 | ShapeShifter499 | wols: would it be a bad idea to install the ubuntu ppa version that already has the patch baked in? https://launchpad.net/~w-rouesnel/+archive/openssh-hpn |
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| 12:42.28 | colo-work | anyone else having frequent iceweasel 28 crashes? |
| 12:42.46 | colo-work | even official Firefox builds from mozilla crash rather often for some of my coworkers |
| 12:43.17 | colo-work | it's not a segfault; firefox closes and the process just goes away, on the next startup the crash recovery dialog pops up |
| 12:43.18 | clue_h | Iceweasel 28? are you using testing? |
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| 12:46.10 | rednaks | How can i donwload debian unstable ? |
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| 12:46.46 | clue_h | Get ubuntu lol |
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| 12:47.34 | themill | rednaks: you don't |
| 12:47.43 | DammitJim | what tutorial should I follow to change NVIDIA drivers? |
| 12:48.00 | rednaks | themill, why not ? |
| 12:48.04 | SynrG | rednaks: what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 12:48.15 | DammitJim | something is really odd about how chromium is behaving with GPU stuff |
| 12:48.20 | SynrG | rednaks: because people who have to ask that question shouldn't |
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| 12:48.41 | themill | and it's often not technically possible in any case |
| 12:48.59 | rednaks | SynrG, I just want to test it |
| 12:49.14 | abrotman | for what? |
| 12:49.15 | SynrG | rednaks: the long answer is: you install stable and upgrade. |
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| 12:49.36 | SynrG | that being said, what abrotman just said :) |
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| 12:50.31 | SynrG | !tell rednaks about sns |
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| 12:54.02 | babilen | rednaks: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable -- Read *all* of that and also http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html , http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/packaging-system.html and http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html |
| 12:54.07 | wols | ShapeShifter499: using ubuntu PPAs is a fast way to a debian reinstall |
| 12:54.34 | wols | DammitJim: change how? |
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| 12:57.08 | ShapeShifter499 | wols: yea I figured much :/ I'll just compile it then |
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| 12:57.29 | babilen | rednaks: In addition to these I would also recommend to read https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html and https://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts |
| 12:57.40 | babilen | (those are optional, but would come in handy) |
| 12:58.15 | DammitJim | wols, change like from nvidia to noveaou |
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| 13:07.08 | ShapeShifter499 | wols: thank you for pointing out equivs |
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| 13:09.58 | babilen | DammitJim: That's the default if you do not configure xorg to use nvidia. Simply make sure to not have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf (obsolete anyway) or something nvidia specific in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ -- you might have to remove nvidia-kernel-dkms to get rid of nouveau blacklisting |
| 13:09.59 | SynrG | ShapeShifter499: caveat: while equivs can get you out of a scrape, if you're building packages properly, you can just use "Provides:" in the package to satisfy the same deps that the debian package would've provided. |
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| 13:10.36 | boodie | Hi : X now works YEAAAHH thanks so much !!! |
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| 13:10.54 | SynrG | ShapeShifter499: and if the replacement is not entirely a drop-in replacement for the debian package it replaces ... you might run into problems "faking it" with equivs |
| 13:11.00 | DammitJim | babilen, that's kinda why I was looking for a tutorial on how to do this |
| 13:11.01 | jiku | hi all.. |
| 13:11.07 | DammitJim | got any specific ones? |
| 13:11.09 | jiku | im running jessie amd64 in my laptop.. |
| 13:11.15 | jiku | with XFCE |
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| 13:11.35 | jiku | just wondering how to enable auto-mounting when cd/dvd is inserted.. |
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| 13:11.49 | jiku | i did enable the setting in setting manager, but doesn't work. |
| 13:11.51 | jiku | any clue ? |
| 13:11.52 | SynrG | jiku: on DEs that should 'just work' |
| 13:11.59 | SynrG | (e.g. gnome, kde, etc.) |
| 13:12.19 | SynrG | hmm, or not. i don't remember if automount is default. |
| 13:12.46 | SynrG | jiku: did you put a mountpoint in /etc/fstab or something? if you did, undo that. |
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| 13:13.05 | jiku | SynrG, yup.. have an entry in fstab... |
| 13:13.10 | SynrG | automounting CDs from the desktop places it on a dynamically created mountpoint in /media |
| 13:13.11 | jiku | let me comment it and try then.. |
| 13:13.14 | SynrG | yup |
| 13:13.20 | boodie | Now, X seems to work flawless with nouveau, what's the drawback, 3D? |
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| 13:14.13 | jiku | SynrG, no.. still the same.. |
| 13:14.15 | SynrG | boodie: the free driver has some 3d support. did you try some gl app? |
| 13:14.28 | jiku | entry in fstab is like this. |
| 13:14.31 | SynrG | jiku: i don't know when the desktop decides whether or not to manage that device ... |
| 13:14.35 | SynrG | did you logout and login? |
| 13:14.46 | SynrG | it might only check at login time |
| 13:14.50 | jiku | no i didn't.. let me do that as well.. |
| 13:15.00 | jiku | it does auto-mount when i start the system when cd is in |
| 13:15.02 | SynrG | (or more specifically, when the file manager starts up) |
| 13:15.14 | SynrG | jiku: yeah, that was due to the fstab entry |
| 13:15.29 | jiku | hmm. |
| 13:15.43 | jiku | SynrG, do you think i should logout and login and try ? |
| 13:15.49 | SynrG | yes. try that, please. |
| 13:15.56 | jiku | ok.. |
| 13:15.58 | SynrG | make sure the cd is not currently mounted, of course :) |
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| 13:17.10 | jiku | SynrG, nope.. |
| 13:17.14 | jiku | i did a lightdm restart.. |
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| 13:17.20 | jiku | and then tried as well. |
| 13:17.24 | jiku | but still no response.. |
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| 13:17.36 | jiku | it gets mounted if i try to access xfburn to burn any data. |
| 13:17.52 | Spl0it_S4in7 | Hi , How to protect apache from slow http post attack ? |
| 13:18.54 | boodie | SynrG: any app suggestaed to test nouveau? |
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| 13:21.19 | babilen | DammitJim: There isn't more to it than what I just said, purge nvidia-kernel-dkms + dependencies, remove Xorg configuration and reboot. |
| 13:21.28 | SynrG | jiku: what's your desktop anyway? you say you use lightdm. are you on GNOME or something else? |
| 13:21.39 | jiku | XFCE |
| 13:21.46 | SynrG | special |
| 13:21.56 | jiku | :-) never liked gnome/kde.. |
| 13:21.57 | SynrG | it may have bugs. i don't know xfce |
| 13:22.02 | jiku | i see.. |
| 13:22.04 | jiku | ok.. |
| 13:22.11 | SynrG | i do know udisks-glue can provide automount in *any* environment |
| 13:22.17 | jiku | let me see if it works in wheezy.. |
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| 13:22.21 | SynrG | maybe a thunar issue? |
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| 13:22.27 | jiku | hmm. |
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| 13:23.18 | SynrG | boodie: um, hmm. what would you normally use that would have 3d? |
| 13:23.35 | SynrG | so much for that :) |
| 13:23.48 | SynrG | i was going to suggest the opengl output method for a video player |
| 13:24.15 | DammitJim | babilen, is purging dependencies something that gets automatically done when apt-get purge nvidia-kernel-dkms? |
| 13:24.22 | DammitJim | like how do I verify I have removed all dependencies? |
| 13:24.41 | SynrG | apt-get purge --purge packagename, i think also applies purge to all the removed deps |
| 13:24.43 | babilen | DammitJim: No, you'd have to run "apt-get --purge autoremove" to do that. |
| 13:24.58 | SynrG | but yeah, after the fact, apt-get --purge autoremove, as babilen said |
| 13:25.12 | babilen | Well, both really :) |
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| 13:25.52 | DammitJim | so, apt-get purge nvidia-kernel-dkms && apt-get --purge autoremove? |
| 13:26.55 | SynrG | if you've not already purged it, "apt-get purge --purge nvidia-kernel-dkms" would take care of it all in one step. |
| 13:27.04 | jiku | SynrG, udisks-glue is not in my system. |
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| 13:27.10 | SynrG | jiku: naturally |
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| 13:27.24 | SynrG | jiku: i'm saying it's another facility that *can* provide this functionality |
| 13:27.25 | naptastic | Is there a group to which I can add a user, that will allow them to access disks raw? |
| 13:27.37 | SynrG | jiku: as in the case where the method you would normally use is missing or broken |
| 13:27.55 | jiku | oh.ok. |
| 13:27.57 | SynrG | jiku: e.g. i use udisks-glue with lxde because i deliberately choose not to run pcmanfm |
| 13:28.16 | SynrG | i don't see the point of having a file manager sit in memory (which is scarce on my netbook) all the time |
| 13:28.30 | jiku | :-) |
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| 13:29.50 | jiku | SynrG, pacmanfm is light.. i guess the lightest filemanager.. |
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| 13:30.11 | SynrG | jiku: it is, but has bugs |
| 13:30.25 | jiku | hmm |
| 13:30.48 | SynrG | jiku: the pcmanfm in jessie/sid is considerably better than the one in wheezy |
| 13:30.53 | SynrG | ,v pcmanfm |
| 13:30.54 | judd | Package: pcmanfm on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.7-1; wheezy: 0.9.10-3; wheezy-backports: 1.1.2-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.2.0-1; sid: 1.2.0-1 |
| 13:31.01 | SynrG | there *is* a backport, however |
| 13:31.08 | SynrG | (but one version back) |
| 13:31.14 | SynrG | still, better than 0.9.x |
| 13:31.25 | jiku | yea |
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| 13:31.43 | SynrG | so if thunar is not being nice, you could try pcmanfm |
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| 13:32.04 | SynrG | or as i said, just don't run a file manager and use udisks-glue :) |
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| 13:32.16 | SynrG | (i have pcmanfm installed ... i just don't start it unless i need it, which is rare) |
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| 13:32.42 | jiku | :) commandline guy for everything.. |
| 13:33.01 | SynrG | well, commandline guy for things that make *sense* to do on the commandline |
| 13:33.04 | SynrG | gui for things that don't |
| 13:33.26 | jiku | :) |
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| 13:50.57 | metaphysician | alami: if you installed using `make install' check whether the distributor has provided a make target for uninstalling. eg. `make uninstall' |
| 13:51.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell alami -about stow |
| 13:51.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell alami -about stow usage |
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| 13:51.56 | alami | metaphysician: okay thanks a lot make Uninstall just do it |
| 13:52.35 | babilen | alami: Use stow the next time you want to install something from source. It makes it *much* easier to deal with upgrades/removals/... afterwards and you don't have to depend on "uninstall" make targets to be available (or that they work correctly( |
| 13:52.47 | alami | i tought befor that uniinstal packages make the system get some Problem :-) |
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| 13:53.18 | alami | babilen: ahh okay thanks a lot babilen |
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| 14:10.19 | markotitel | how to check if system is controled by sysv or systemd |
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| 14:19.49 | car | hi there. exists a similar thing like the setgid for the user, so the owner of new dirs or files in that directory (chmod g+s), is the one of the parent dir ? |
| 14:20.21 | car | chmod u+s is not what iam looking for :( |
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| 14:23.25 | Brigo | car, setuid? |
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| 14:24.13 | Viproz | hi |
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| 14:24.58 | fishsponge__ | hello! does anyone know anything about openoffice calc? or is there another channel about it?? |
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| 14:25.38 | car | Brigo, if you make use of setuid, e.g. chmod u+s dir/ . And you change into dir and do a touch test and your id differs from that of the dir/ , the newfile is owned by you. not by the owner of dir/ |
| 14:25.40 | Zordrak | fishsponge__: #openoffice.org |
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| 14:26.08 | fishsponge__ | thank you! |
| 14:26.17 | SynrG | markotitel: do you have systemd-sysv or sysvinit-core? the former conflicts with the latter and provides an alternate /sbin/init |
| 14:26.41 | markotitel | SynrG, you again? :D how to check that? |
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| 14:27.11 | SynrG | markotitel: dpkg -l systemd-sysv sysvinit-core |
| 14:27.38 | SynrG | markotitel: again? i never went anywhere :) |
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| 14:27.55 | markotitel | SynrG, you are helping everyone :) |
| 14:28.24 | markotitel | SynrG, I have no packages found for both |
| 14:28.39 | SynrG | markotitel: probably sysvinit-core only exists in later releases. |
| 14:28.57 | SynrG | markotitel: it's just sysvinit on wheezy. no split yet. |
| 14:29.00 | SynrG | ,v sysvinit |
| 14:29.01 | judd | Package: sysvinit on i386 -- squeeze: 2.88dsf-13.1+squeeze1; wheezy: 2.88dsf-41+deb7u1; jessie: 2.88dsf-51; sid: 2.88dsf-51 |
| 14:29.05 | SynrG | ,v sysvinit-core |
| 14:29.06 | judd | Package: sysvinit-core on i386 -- jessie: 2.88dsf-51; sid: 2.88dsf-51 |
| 14:30.15 | car | Brigo, if you make use of setuid, e.g. chmod u+s dir/ . And you change into dir and do a 'touch test' and your id differs from that of the dir/ , the newfile is owned by you. not by the owner of dir/ |
| 14:30.27 | car | sry |
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| 14:30.34 | markotitel | how is it easiest way check that without checking package? Lets say visually? :) |
| 14:31.05 | abrotman | visually, in a terminal |
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| 14:31.46 | SynrG | markotitel: "that"? "visually"? sorry ... |
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| 14:32.21 | Brigo | car, i was only asking :) |
| 14:32.30 | markotitel | SynrG, service manager, sysv or systemd |
| 14:32.30 | SynrG | i can give you all kinds of ways ... they all involve a terminal ... |
| 14:32.39 | SynrG | dpkg -S /sbin/init |
| 14:32.39 | dpkg | Package: /sbin/init: Status: install ok installed |
| 14:32.47 | SynrG | ^^ shows which package provides init |
| 14:33.06 | tremon | markotitel: just run systemctl. If that complains you're either running sysvinit or your system is broken |
| 14:34.00 | SynrG | or that |
| 14:34.01 | markotitel | I have sysctl Ubuntu 13.04 |
| 14:34.09 | SynrG | bzzzzt |
| 14:34.11 | SynrG | wrong answer |
| 14:34.26 | SynrG | !ubuntuirc markotitel |
| 14:34.26 | dpkg | markotitel: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu |
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| 14:34.54 | Viproz | I'm trying to make a package for Debian, I'm having some troubles to include the libs (as I'm using Qt5 and on the repo there is only Qt4), I've read somewhere that I should put my .so in /opt/mypackage so I've done that but my application say that it can't find the lib, is there something special to do ? (like put the lib in a subfolder lib ?) |
| 14:35.06 | markotitel | dpkg, yes sorry I thought it is generic |
| 14:35.06 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, markotitel |
| 14:35.11 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Viproz about mentors |
| 14:35.18 | SynrG | markotitel: and dpkg is a bot. |
| 14:35.20 | abrotman | markotitel: have a good day, please use #ubuntu in the future, bye |
| 14:35.25 | tremon | markotitel: the generic channel is ##linux :) |
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| 14:36.37 | markotitel | ok sorry I made I mistake wont happen again |
| 14:37.07 | markotitel | SynrG, thank you for dpkg -S way |
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| 14:37.25 | SynrG | markotitel: np. enjoy your new superpowers. use them wisely |
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| 14:37.43 | jhutchins | I have a permissions puzzle. A script has o+rx, as does the folder it's in, but a symlink to that scripts shows invalid/broken for a regular user. |
| 14:37.46 | Viproz | abrotman, why mentors ? I don't want to make my app public |
| 14:37.47 | jhutchins | There is one folder in the path that is not o+rx. |
| 14:37.59 | abrotman | Viproz: they still help with packaging |
| 14:38.18 | SynrG | Viproz: the topic of mentors is packaging, in general. and the skillset to do it for yourself vs. public is the same. |
| 14:39.16 | Viproz | ok thanks |
| 14:39.33 | SynrG | Viproz: and hint: LD_LIBRARY_PATH, ld.so man page |
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| 14:43.13 | SynrG | Viproz: specifically, apps that are organized under /opt typically have a shell wrapper to start which sets up the environment, including LD_LIBRARY_PATH. |
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| 14:43.45 | Kuba | hello guys, why is /usr/bin/[ not a symlink of /usr/bin/test but just a copy? |
| 14:44.24 | Viproz | SynrG, ok thanks, I'll google a lot of that :) |
| 14:44.24 | gcbirzan | It should be a hard link |
| 14:44.32 | gcbirzan | Oh, or not. |
| 14:44.36 | gcbirzan | Hm, I don't know :) |
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| 14:44.50 | tremon | on my system they're not even copies (differing sizes) |
| 14:44.52 | gcbirzan | Kuba: Also, on my system, they're not the same |
| 14:44.54 | gcbirzan | yeah |
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| 14:45.12 | Kuba | gcbirzan: interesting... I'm runing on sid, you? |
| 14:45.18 | gcbirzan | Sqame |
| 14:45.20 | gcbirzan | Same, even. |
| 14:45.23 | Kuba | lol |
| 14:45.32 | gcbirzan | coreutils 8.21-1.1 |
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| 14:46.17 | Kuba | urm, they ae now different... I would swear I checked it few minutes ago |
| 14:46.26 | Kuba | anyway, why would they be different then? |
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| 14:47.23 | melt7777 | my custom live image of squeeze boots fine in qemu, boots fine in vmware, but doesn't boot natively on the machine. i get "Unknown file system type on /dev/loop0 (/live/image/live/filesystem.squashfs) -- i am able to mout -o loop the squash so i know its fine |
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| 14:48.13 | Kuba | gcbirzan: yep, my bad, they were not a copy |
| 14:48.51 | tremon | still no answer as to why they need to be different. I guess you should ask the coreutils maintainers/developers if you really want an answer |
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| 14:50.57 | istanbull | hi all |
| 14:51.29 | melt7777 | aawwwww man it was bad usb |
| 14:51.33 | Kuba | tremon: I guest it has some thing to do with non-sense command `test X ]` vs `[ X ]` |
| 14:51.37 | Kuba | guess* |
| 14:52.11 | Kuba | tremon: or `test X test` |
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| 14:52.39 | sadon | hi |
| 14:52.46 | sadon | how do I add a new user to my openVPN server? |
| 14:52.47 | Kuba | but this could probably be handled by looking at arg[0] anyway... |
| 14:52.49 | sadon | I am using debian |
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| 14:53.07 | unsigned_int | Hello guys, I have fglrx-legacy installed on wheezy, sometimes kernel panic will occur while switching resolution or shutting down. |
| 14:53.17 | unsigned_int | useradd usrname |
| 14:53.18 | tremon | possibly. The manual does note that "test --help" treats --help as an argument, whereas "[ --help" responds with a help message. But that could have been done by parsing argv[0] |
| 14:53.31 | Kuba | exactly, tremon |
| 14:53.31 | car | Brigo, ah ok - thougth it migth be an answer ;-) |
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| 14:54.46 | Kuba | gcbirzan, tremon thx for help |
| 14:55.19 | sadon | unsigned_int i remember i used a command like: sudo useradd /nobin/ usrname |
| 14:55.25 | sadon | someting like this. do you know the command? |
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| 14:55.51 | tremon | sadon: man adduser |
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| 14:56.39 | unsigned_int | sadon: look at "man useradd" might help you |
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| 14:59.54 | sadon | tremon |
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| 15:00.06 | sadon | how do I adduser without ssh login? |
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| 15:00.22 | sadon | sudo useradd /bin/nologin username |
| 15:00.23 | sadon | ? |
| 15:00.34 | sadon | how do I add the username, but disable SSH login? |
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| 15:01.33 | unsigned_int | sadon: after you useradd username, you can edit /etc/passwd, change /bin/bash to /bin/nologin |
| 15:02.18 | sadon | unsigned_int why after added username? |
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| 15:02.39 | sadon | is it not possible to use: sudo useradd /bin/nologin username |
| 15:02.40 | sadon | ? |
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| 15:03.11 | sadon | to let the users connect to openvpn server, but no SSH |
| 15:03.20 | unsigned_int | sadon: i'm looking at the man page |
| 15:03.35 | sadon | ok please tell me, i had the command but i lost it :/ |
| 15:03.44 | sadon | i remember it was someting like that. |
| 15:04.02 | unsigned_int | useradd username /bin/nologin? |
| 15:04.06 | holden1 | Hi guys, i need some help. I installed KDE cd of wheezy, and i didn't have network manager installed. I then set up the network manually, through /etc/network/interfaces using wpa supplicant. How can i now revert to networkmanager-kde controlling my network? |
| 15:04.08 | sadon | no |
| 15:04.23 | unsigned_int | login method is after username |
| 15:04.33 | sadon | it was more like: useradd /bin/nologin username |
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| 15:05.14 | abrotman | holden1: probably just comment out hte stanza in the interfaces file |
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| 15:06.33 | sadon | unsigned_int: did you find anything? should "sudo useradd /bin/nologin username" work? |
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| 15:06.57 | unsigned_int | it doesn't work |
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| 15:07.08 | holden1 | abrotman: comment out everything? |
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| 15:07.22 | abrotman | holden1: no, just the one you dn't want it controlling |
| 15:07.27 | unsigned_int | adduser --disable-login username |
| 15:07.31 | holden1 | ok |
| 15:07.32 | holden1 | thanks |
| 15:07.50 | p0g0 | I am looking for a debian valid howto for exim4-daemon-heavy+dovecot to set up a DMZ'd MTA (Exim4) + IMAP (dovecot). Suggestions? |
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| 15:07.58 | sadon | unsigned_int: no it was more like i said |
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| 15:08.06 | sadon | i remember the command when i see it |
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| 15:08.15 | sadon | i remember username was the last thing in command |
| 15:08.15 | unsigned_int | sadon: I'm wrong, I should use adduser, not useradd |
| 15:08.24 | ksalman | how ccan i get a list of all the packages that will be installed if i do something like "apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment"? |
| 15:08.31 | sadon | sudo useradd /bin/nologin username2948 |
| 15:08.38 | sadon | someting like that |
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| 15:08.57 | unsigned_int | sudo useradd --shell /bin/nologin username |
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| 15:09.03 | ksalman | i tried apt-rdepends but the list it gives me doesn't seem to match with what gets installed |
| 15:09.11 | sadon | hmh |
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| 15:09.14 | sadon | why --shell? |
| 15:09.18 | tremon | ksalman: just use apt-get -s install |
| 15:10.03 | ksalman | tremon: i can't simulate if it's alerady installed it seems =( |
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| 15:10.45 | unsigned_int | it says, the usage of adduser is "adduser ... [--shell SHELL] ... [disabled-login] username" |
| 15:10.46 | tremon | sure, but if it's already installed, the list of packages that /will be installed/ is zero |
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| 15:11.00 | ksalman | yea.. |
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| 15:11.13 | ksalman | i was hoping to get a list without parsing /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 15:11.22 | metaphysician | ksalman: "apt-cache show package-name" will give you package related details |
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| 15:12.27 | sadon | unsigned_int: is there any logs, to show what command i have been used? |
| 15:13.45 | jhutchins | sadon: Have you tried man useradd? |
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| 15:14.58 | unsigned_int | sadon: a file called ".bash_history" in home dir |
| 15:15.10 | unsigned_int | sadon: also you can use command "history" |
| 15:15.15 | sadon | unsigned_int: ok thanks |
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| 15:15.48 | jhutchins | This is not the correct way to add a user with scp/sftp only privileges though. |
| 15:16.07 | unsigned_int | adduser command |
| 15:16.36 | SirLagz | couldn't you use the rssh package so the user can only do scp/sftp ? |
| 15:17.14 | average | where's TJ- ? |
| 15:17.17 | average | !seen TJ- |
| 15:17.18 | dpkg | tj- <~TJ@jeeves.iam.tj> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6d 23h 32m 20s ago, saying: 'abailarri: the key part you need is "cat PositiveSSLCA2.crt AddTrustExternalCARoot.crt > mydomain.ca-bundle" and then ensuring apache knows about that, as per the other instructions'. |
| 15:17.24 | average | 6days what ? |
| 15:17.31 | average | I saw him yesterday, I talked with him |
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| 15:17.37 | average | or was he on #linux .. ? |
| 15:17.55 | babilen | average: This is really not on-topic in here; query the bot in private |
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| 15:18.14 | ksalman | metaphysician: "apt-cache show package-name" does not satisfy nested dependencies. It gives me packages that package-name depends on but not packages that will also be installed with packages that package-name depends on |
| 15:18.32 | metaphysician | ksalman: try germinate |
| 15:18.51 | unsigned_int | "apt-cache depends gcc" |
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| 15:19.05 | ksalman | what is germinate? |
| 15:19.11 | metaphysician | ksalman: https://wiki.debian.org/Germinate |
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| 15:20.35 | unsigned_int | apt-cache depends gnome |
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| 15:29.47 | holycow | hi guys |
| 15:30.26 | holycow | anyone know how to 'save' printer settings for gtk apps? i run a few of them and the gtk printing preferences are always different from my cups defaults |
| 15:31.05 | mdel | you can print in linux? /s |
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| 15:31.25 | holycow | checks if he is in #osx |
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| 15:31.59 | average | mdel: with a printer ? sure |
| 15:32.04 | average | mdel: use cups |
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| 15:32.21 | holycow | what? |
| 15:32.23 | mdel | average: sarcasm |
| 15:32.30 | holycow | oh ha |
| 15:32.44 | average | :P |
| 15:32.57 | mdel | it's usually a pain, as holycow is experiencing :) |
| 15:33.05 | holycow | hardly |
| 15:33.12 | average | holycow: you have to have the right hardware man .. |
| 15:33.16 | mdel | at least it has been for me, usually with networked printers |
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| 15:33.36 | holycow | i've really never had issues to be honest. |
| 15:33.53 | average | holycow: let me tell you how I do it. I buy hardware, and let it rott for years, and by the time I get it out of the closet and use it, linux has drivers for it and all works smoothly |
| 15:34.14 | mdel | ^ |
| 15:34.31 | holycow | you are an idiot |
| 15:34.40 | holycow | that is really all you managed to write so far |
| 15:34.43 | average | aren't we all ? |
| 15:34.48 | holycow | no no. just you. |
| 15:34.52 | average | :))) ok |
| 15:34.53 | mdel | we are technically liquids |
| 15:34.59 | mdel | just saying |
| 15:35.45 | SynrG | ugly bags of mostly water |
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| 15:36.00 | mdel | melts |
| 15:36.22 | SynrG | "let the hardware rot for years until there is support". hmm, that's a new one. if only i had the money to buy hardware i don't use. :p |
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| 15:36.42 | metaphysician | ksalman: quick germinate howto for you http://paste.debian.net/88910/ |
| 15:37.03 | SynrG | maybe you can send me your surplus so i can see if it's supported yet? :) |
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| 15:37.40 | ksalman | metaphysician: thank you |
| 15:37.50 | average | SynrG: if it was supported, I'd be using it :) I'll let it rot a bit more :) |
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| 15:38.00 | mdel | SynrG: let me look through my stack of Iomega zip drives and Lightscribe burners... |
| 15:38.16 | SynrG | average: i think maybe wine making, or cheese ... may be a better hobby |
| 15:38.23 | SynrG | at least when it rots, it produces useful product |
| 15:38.26 | zophy | would it be ok to make killall setuid root ? |
| 15:38.37 | zophy | i really need it |
| 15:38.41 | SynrG | mdel: groan. thanks, but no thanks :) |
| 15:38.43 | average | SynrG: so does linux hardware :) |
| 15:38.52 | zophy | or a sensible substitute |
| 15:39.19 | mdel | SynrG: just checked. still dont work |
| 15:39.21 | SynrG | zophy: sudo? |
| 15:39.31 | mdel | puts them back into cold storage |
| 15:39.58 | zophy | SynrG, i'm trying to work around using sudo |
| 15:40.34 | SynrG | zophy: you would really rather grant *everyone* the ability to killall as root, as opposed to narrowly grant one user permission? |
| 15:40.40 | SynrG | zophy: you're courting disaster. |
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| 15:41.15 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 15:41.25 | SynrG | zophy: what problem are you really trying to solve, in end-user terms? |
| 15:41.30 | zophy | SynrG, i think the askpass option of sudo is what i can use |
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| 15:42.47 | SynrG | zophy: in general, only carefully reviewed code with limited chance to cause damage should be granted suid root |
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| 15:43.07 | SynrG | zophy: killall fails the second half of that rule of thumb |
| 15:43.23 | zophy | SynrG, yes, killlall is a WMD |
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| 15:43.33 | zophy | weapon of mass destruction |
| 15:44.07 | zophy | i think i'll i'll track the process id's and kill the indivdual id's |
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| 15:44.25 | Rug | How would I best diagnose random lockup/freezes on one of my servers? It seems to be both random actions trigger it, and random durations for it being locked up. (i.e. sudo su might cause it to freeze for 10 seconds {the first time it's run}, apt-get update might freeze at: "Reading package lists... Done". I have looked at all my logs, and checked the smart status of my drive. |
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| 15:48.04 | zophy | Rug, apt-get uses the network and the drive, su uses the drive, don't kn ow if it uses any networking |
| 15:48.48 | Rug | zophy: yeah that's why I was checking the SMART status. I just wish I could trust it's output |
| 15:49.52 | zophy | anything in the /var logs ? |
| 15:50.04 | zophy | messages ? dmesg ? |
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| 15:50.42 | Rug | nothing that jumps out, just standard system notifications... I am installing htop and iftop right now to see if I can spot any trend |
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| 15:52.21 | average | Rug: I use iptraf too |
| 15:52.36 | Rug | average: thanks, I'll include that |
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| 15:54.11 | petemc | you could try strace with timestamps turned on |
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| 16:00.58 | useless-eater | hi guys. Im trying to netinstall debian on a new lenovo x240. no ethernet found :\ got a long list of drivers it seems, but no one seem to work. anyone got some good advice? |
| 16:02.46 | SynrG | useless-eater: maybe it needs the nonfree image? |
| 16:03.10 | SynrG | !tell useless-eater about firmware images |
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| 16:04.37 | zophy | !tell zophy about freedom |
| 16:04.53 | useless-eater | SynrG: thanks |
| 16:04.58 | SynrG | useless-eater: but that is strange. i know it needs firmware-iwlwifi for wifi ... |
| 16:05.06 | SynrG | didn't know anything about ethernet |
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| 16:08.04 | useless-eater | SynrG: hmm, soon finished download, dd'ing and trying again :) |
| 16:08.12 | zophy | useless what does lspci tell you about ethernet hardware ? |
| 16:08.25 | zophy | useless-eater, what does lspci tell you about ethernet hardware ? |
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| 16:09.08 | SynrG | lspci -nn | grep -i ethernet |
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| 16:09.33 | SynrG | we're interested in the [####:####] at the end |
| 16:09.41 | useless-eater | zophy: oh, just removed the usb stick :p |
| 16:09.53 | SynrG | no matter |
| 16:10.02 | SynrG | soon you'll have the firmware image and can try again |
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| 16:10.37 | useless-eater | oh cool, it works, even if install media is removed |
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| 16:11.36 | useless-eater | lspci sais: Ethernet controller: Intel .. 155a (rev 04) |
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| 16:12.26 | useless-eater | network controller: Intel .. 08b2 (rev 6b) |
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| 16:16.20 | SynrG | useless-eater: the entire 8 hex digits, please. i don't memorize vendor codes from pciids :) |
| 16:17.16 | SynrG | ,pciid [8086,155a] |
| 16:17.23 | SynrG | bah, formatted improperly |
| 16:17.27 | SynrG | ,pciid [8086:155a] |
| 16:17.28 | judd | [8086:155a] is 'Ethernet Connection I218-LM' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:155a |
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| 16:18.43 | SynrG | doesn't look supported :( |
| 16:18.43 | useless-eater | 8086:08b2 is network controller and 8086:155a is the 'ethernet controller' |
| 16:18.54 | SynrG | "network" means wifi |
| 16:19.01 | SynrG | try installing over wifi. |
| 16:19.16 | Hisoka | wifi is bullsh*t :) |
| 16:19.20 | useless-eater | not supported, like at all? |
| 16:19.24 | SynrG | it doesn't look like wheezy supports your ethernet, no |
| 16:19.31 | useless-eater | jessie/sid? |
| 16:19.35 | SynrG | ,pciid [8086:155a] --release jessie |
| 16:19.36 | judd | [8086:155a] is 'Ethernet Connection I218-LM' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'e1000e', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:155a |
| 16:19.46 | SynrG | yes, via e1000e, apparently |
| 16:20.02 | useless-eater | SynrG: going to upgrade to jessie afterwards |
| 16:20.11 | SynrG | well, you can install a kernel backport afterwards |
| 16:20.12 | SynrG | safer |
| 16:20.17 | useless-eater | ok. :) hopes high |
| 16:20.22 | SynrG | but for now, install over wifi. |
| 16:20.39 | useless-eater | ok, still need the firmware one I guess? |
| 16:20.40 | SynrG | ,pciid [8086:08b2] |
| 16:20.42 | judd | [8086:08b2] is 'Wireless 7260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:08b2 |
| 16:20.51 | SynrG | uggh |
| 16:20.58 | sadon | win -> openvpn -> virtualbox debian -> openvpn -> possiblity for tor, proxy, socks -> iceweasel, firefox |
| 16:21.01 | sadon | is this good? |
| 16:21.06 | SynrG | ,pciid [8086:08b2] --release jessie |
| 16:21.07 | judd | [8086:08b2] is 'Wireless 7260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:08b2 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 16:21.24 | SynrG | useless-eater: looks like wheezy doesn't support your wifi either |
| 16:21.50 | sadon | what dns are u guys using for resolv.conf? |
| 16:21.52 | useless-eater | wow. |
| 16:21.59 | SynrG | useless-eater: so install a base system with netinst, then you can download the backports kernel and put on USB and install with dpkg -i |
| 16:22.10 | SynrG | then reboot, then continue the install |
| 16:22.15 | useless-eater | I really hope debian team fixes this, lenovo xseries are awesome :) |
| 16:22.16 | SynrG | (i.e. install a desktop, etc.) |
| 16:22.25 | sadon | i love debian i dont know why.. |
| 16:22.25 | Mikaela | sadon: I am personally using Google DNS, 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. |
| 16:22.30 | SynrG | well, the "fix" is to release jessie. |
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| 16:23.00 | sadon | i think debian are more stable then ubuntu? i am wrong? |
| 16:23.07 | SynrG | (unless there are driver backports available to 3.2 kernels) |
| 16:23.10 | sadon | Mikaela: thanks |
| 16:23.21 | sadon | Google DNS records all you activity |
| 16:23.24 | Rug | sadon: I use an internal DNS server, but If you only have one or two boxes, use OpenDNS. It's a lot faster then Google DNS |
| 16:23.26 | sadon | you know that Mikaela? |
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| 16:23.40 | sadon | why use Google DNS? |
| 16:23.43 | sadon | ;P |
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| 16:24.19 | Mikaela | sadon: Because it's better than the one of my ISP and has easy to remember addresses. |
| 16:24.29 | Mikaela | This might be more suitable for #debian-offtopic |
| 16:24.40 | useless-eater | wow, even the firmware-iso didnt detect any network interfaces 0.o |
| 16:25.06 | useless-eater | I gotta get some usb dongle or something thats supported and install with that |
| 16:25.18 | sadon | how do i disable SSH root for any outcoming traffic? |
| 16:25.31 | linedash | blinks |
| 16:25.37 | zophy | \eeks |
| 16:25.44 | linedash | sadon ; try that again with a better explanation |
| 16:25.50 | jelly | sadon: what is "SSH root?" |
| 16:26.06 | zophy | wtf is outcoming ? |
| 16:26.11 | zophy | i want to know |
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| 16:26.29 | sadon | sadon: disable outcoming traffic to connect as root on my system |
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| 16:26.48 | zophy | disable root login over ssh ? |
| 16:27.00 | sadon | zophy: i still want to use it :) |
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| 16:27.06 | linedash | you mean, disabling incoming SSH connections from logging in as root? |
| 16:27.07 | jelly | sadon: incoming? Traffic from outside attempting to connect to your system? |
| 16:27.14 | sadon | thank you |
| 16:27.14 | linedash | "PermitRootLogin no" in /etc/ssh/sshd.conf |
| 16:27.15 | sadon | yes |
| 16:27.29 | linedash | and use sudo to escalate yourself when needed |
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| 16:27.51 | SynrG | zophy: prepositions. not the easiest things in the world for native speakers of different languages to get right :p |
| 16:27.52 | jelly | sadon: /etc/ssh/sshd_config is the correct path btw |
| 16:28.03 | zophy | linedash, i think your way is best |
| 16:28.05 | sadon | apt-get install nano |
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| 16:28.15 | sadon | jelly: thanks |
| 16:28.38 | SynrG | zophy: the connection comes *from* outside == incoming :) |
| 16:28.41 | linedash | alternatively, 'cat /etc/hosts.*' |
| 16:28.56 | sadon | jelly hm wrong |
| 16:28.56 | SynrG | zophy: so 'outcoming' sort of makes sense from this perspective |
| 16:28.57 | linedash | but unadvisable |
| 16:29.09 | linedash | just deny root logins + use sudo |
| 16:29.11 | sadon | jelly there is only moduli and ssh_config |
| 16:29.22 | zophy | linedash, i think your way is best |
| 16:29.41 | jelly | sadon: that usually means you do not have ssh _service_ installed at all |
| 16:29.44 | useless-eater | does installing with encrypted lvm make the computer slow? |
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| 16:29.58 | jelly | sadon: if it's not installed -- you're safe, noone can connect to it! |
| 16:30.03 | sadon | jelly: ok nice |
| 16:30.07 | sadon | :D |
| 16:30.29 | jelly | sadon: you can check whether the package openssh-server is installed. |
| 16:30.50 | zophy | it's arealy nice early spring day here |
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| 16:31.03 | jelly | judd: whatprovides ssh-server |
| 16:31.05 | zophy | warm, just a light breeze] |
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| 16:31.26 | judd | Package ssh-server in wheezy/i386 is provided by: dropbear, openssh-server, lsh-server. |
| 16:31.32 | zophy | i'm enjoying a nice cup of tea |
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| 16:31.46 | linedash | dpkg --list | grep openssh-server |
| 16:31.47 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, linedash |
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| 16:31.48 | linedash | to see if its installed |
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| 16:32.11 | jelly | zophy: you may want to join #debian-offtopic for social chat functions and stuff that's not tech support |
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| 16:32.23 | sadon | jelly: how do i permanent delete it? apt-get purge openssh_server |
| 16:32.39 | Mikaela | sadon: I thin it's openssh-server |
| 16:32.48 | jelly | sadon: is it installed? |
| 16:32.54 | linedash | <linedash> dpkg --list | grep openssh-server |
| 16:33.07 | linedash | check if its installed first, sadon |
| 16:33.09 | linedash | using that |
| 16:33.17 | linedash | it prob is, afair its a base package these days |
| 16:33.24 | linedash | but I may be wrong |
| 16:33.24 | jelly | linedash: it is not. |
| 16:33.27 | sadon | dpkg --list | grep openssh-server |
| 16:33.27 | dpkg | sadon: no idea |
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| 16:33.40 | linedash | yes sadon; that is the command. Does it return any output? |
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| 16:34.03 | zophy | jelly, wouldn't you enjoy a nice cup of tea right now ? |
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| 16:35.01 | sadon | root@debian:~# dpkg --list | grep openssh-server |
| 16:35.01 | sadon | root@debian:~# |
| 16:35.07 | sadon | it says nothing? :/ |
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| 16:35.36 | zophy | ? |
| 16:35.36 | linedash | then it looks not to be installed |
| 16:35.42 | sadon | nicee |
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| 16:36.04 | FlowRiser | <msm |
| 16:36.08 | FlowRiser | <msg> |
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| 16:36.11 | sadon | do you guys have any debian t-shirt? |
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| 16:36.21 | sadon | i would buy 1 :) |
| 16:36.28 | xparanoik | does anyone here implement some sort of blacklisting on squid, with a database that is updated daily/weekly? |
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| 16:37.38 | sadon | is there any meaning to encrypt my linux system? if use full system encryption on my main win os? |
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| 16:40.17 | useless-eater | sadon: if its a laptop Id encrypt it :) |
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| 16:40.51 | SynrG | sadon: i'm not sure what you're saying. are you running debian in a VM on an encrypted windows system and are wondering if the encryption of the windows system is sufficient to protect the debian VM? |
| 16:40.55 | useless-eater | sadon: or at least home. not sure if things get slow though(?) |
| 16:40.56 | SynrG | sadon: or something else? |
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| 16:41.36 | SynrG | ah, earlier you said: |
| 16:41.37 | SynrG | 13:20 < sadon> win -> openvpn -> virtualbox debian -> openvpn -> possiblity for tor, proxy, socks -> iceweasel, firefox |
| 16:41.44 | useless-eater | anyone actually run vms on top of windows? :p |
| 16:41.57 | sadon | SynrG: Yes? |
| 16:42.08 | SynrG | so it looks like my guess is right |
| 16:42.21 | FlowRiser | thinks sending to dpkg too many commands to convert ascii to hex is bad for the server's health |
| 16:42.24 | SynrG | you're running debian in virtualbox on windows |
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| 16:42.28 | sadon | Yes |
| 16:42.35 | SynrG | and windows is encrypted |
| 16:42.41 | sadon | Full |
| 16:42.51 | sadon | Encrytion |
| 16:43.02 | sadon | system |
| 16:43.18 | SynrG | so if your windows system falls into the wrong hands and someone tries to get at the debian system, they will have to crack the windows encryption first ... |
| 16:43.30 | SynrG | *if* they can manage to do that, they can get at your linux system. |
| 16:43.51 | SynrG | the value that encrypting the debian system gives you is independence from the current system it is on |
| 16:44.02 | SynrG | at some point in future you may want to run it somewhere else. |
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| 16:44.28 | SynrG | otherwise, i doubt if there's any value |
| 16:44.42 | sadon | thanks |
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| 16:44.44 | sadon | so much |
| 16:44.46 | sadon | :) |
| 16:44.58 | sadon | SynrG: do you know how to disable all logs? |
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| 16:46.06 | SynrG | i don't advise that. but see /etc/syslog.conf for log configuration |
| 16:46.36 | sadon | SynrG: why not, because of error logs? |
| 16:46.38 | SynrG | sorry, /etc/rsyslog.conf |
| 16:46.56 | SynrG | yes. when things go wrong, logs are a valuable source of info |
| 16:46.58 | zophy | can a person disable all logging in windows ? |
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| 16:48.03 | zophy | SECURITY ADVISORY: disable all logging facilities in your operating system ! |
| 16:48.33 | jelly | !ops zophy making senseless noise, again |
| 16:48.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly complains about: zophy making senseless noise, again |
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| 16:49.04 | jelly | thanks |
| 16:49.53 | sadon | SynrG: could I disable activity logs only? and let error logs be on? |
| 16:50.06 | babilen | zophy: Please keep in mind that this is a technical support channel and that it would be nice to raise your signal to noise ratio the next time. |
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| 16:57.18 | SynrG | sadon: this depends on what you mean by "activity" vs. "errors" |
| 16:57.36 | SynrG | different services have different levels of logging that can be tuned on a service by service basis |
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| 16:58.13 | SynrG | anything passing through rsyslogd can be configured to log at different levels to different places |
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| 16:59.25 | SynrG | i think it's a bad idea to say "i only want to log errors, not activity" because then you may miss important things that indicate problems but are not, in and of themselves, errors |
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| 17:00.04 | SynrG | sadon: what problem are you actually trying to solve? on windows, you have to put up with things like "event log fills up, oh noes!" |
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| 17:00.41 | SynrG | on linux, logs are rolled over regularly. unless your disk is sized too small for the amount of use you expect, they should never "fill up" |
| 17:01.27 | SynrG | a wise man once said: |
| 17:01.28 | SynrG | Premature optimization is the root of all evil. |
| 17:01.28 | SynrG | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.01 | SynrG | sadon: in other words, until you know it is a problem, don't try to "optimize" |
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| 17:02.08 | jelly | SynrG: the use he expects might differ from actual use |
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| 17:02.28 | jelly | but that's dealt with when it happens |
| 17:02.30 | SynrG | yes |
| 17:02.35 | SynrG | exactly my point |
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| 17:04.05 | sadon | SynrG: ok thank you |
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| 17:15.06 | sadon | is there any possiblty to crack 7z encrypte file? |
| 17:15.13 | sadon | i forgot the password :/ |
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| 17:18.27 | paulpp | if aes, only brute force imho |
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| 17:25.49 | sadon | paulpp: and how do i use brute force? |
| 17:25.52 | sadon | do you know that? |
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| 17:26.12 | SynrG | try all possible passwords |
| 17:26.29 | wols | sadon: https://www.google.com/search?q=7z+password+crack |
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| 17:27.03 | wols | which links to http://sourceforge.net/projects/sevenzcracker/ for the first hit for example |
| 17:27.03 | SynrG | knowing something about the likely passwords that a person may have chosen will help hone your algorithm and reduce the time it takes to crack ... |
| 17:27.51 | SynrG | (i.e. if you chose the password in the first place, and know the kinds of things you choose for passwords, you can write a better algorithm than someone who can't read your mind :) |
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| 17:31.00 | DammitJim | are there specific devices that are well supported in debian to record TV shows? |
| 17:31.10 | DammitJim | like a capture device for video? |
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| 17:31.47 | wols | DammitJim: any TV card can capture nowadays. it's all a digital mpeg stream after all that is broadcast |
| 17:31.52 | SynrG | DammitJim: back in the day ... i used Hauppage PVR-250 for that. i don't know what *current* devices do that :/ |
| 17:32.09 | SynrG | the problem is this is an analog capture and tv has gone digital :p |
| 17:32.15 | DammitJim | wols, you are like in every channel! omin-presence! |
| 17:32.21 | DammitJim | right |
| 17:32.28 | SynrG | wols: what's the current gen? :) |
| 17:32.30 | wols | SynrG: that's cause it was analog TV which you had to compress yourself. now, you simply write the recevied signal directly to disk |
| 17:32.35 | DammitJim | so, if I get a TV card, I can just capture the stream? |
| 17:32.47 | wols | yes. it's a digital TV signal now |
| 17:33.01 | wols | DammitJim: I'm in about 5-6 channels, no more |
| 17:33.06 | SynrG | wols: i assume the pvr-250 is now junk ... ? |
| 17:33.24 | DammitJim | SynrG, not sure what you can do with it |
| 17:33.39 | DammitJim | maybe in another country that still uses analog signals on the same frequencies as US? |
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| 17:33.44 | sigmatek | does eject also unmount or do i have to unmount and then eject an external usb hdd ? |
| 17:33.48 | wols | SynrG: pretty much. here in .de the last analog broadcasters have been shut down 2 years ago or so. In the US, the FTC has already auctioned off old analog TV spectrum, etc |
| 17:33.59 | DammitJim | wols, what should I search for? there are a ton of articles online, but they are all outdated |
| 17:34.03 | SynrG | oh well. i'd donate it to science if i could :) |
| 17:34.25 | DammitJim | SynrG, you never know... one day we might use those again... (I've kept my USB one) |
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| 17:34.44 | DammitJim | wols, TV capture is like a USB device for a laptop? |
| 17:35.25 | wols | DammitJim: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TV_Related_Software#DVB_Tools_for_unattended.2Fheadless_recording e.g. |
| 17:35.27 | SynrG | sigmatek: eject man page: |
| 17:35.28 | SynrG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:35.48 | SynrG | sigmatek: afaik, gnome either calls this, or implements exactly the same thing |
| 17:35.53 | wols | DammitJim: there are usb TV tuners, yes. you need to decide what you want to receive first: sat, terrestrial, etc. and I dunno in what country you are |
| 17:35.56 | monsune | hello folks... do you have an idea how to edit /etc/fstab on read-only file system? i can't even remount it rw |
| 17:36.11 | SynrG | sigmatek: that is, 'eject' really only makes sense for removable media with a physical eject mechanism |
| 17:36.21 | wols | monsune: if it'S read only then you cannot, no matter what. why is it read only? |
| 17:36.30 | SynrG | otherwise, it's interchangable with unmount |
| 17:36.34 | wols | monsune: often it is read-only cause errors have been detected |
| 17:36.38 | sigmatek | SynrG, aah :) okay makes sense duh... |
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| 17:37.14 | monsune | wols it's a freebsd proxmox guest and something went wrong when i tried to switch to virtio for that hdd... it can't find the device but i can't go back to IDE because it's read-only and i can't change fstab, kinda stupid issue, isn't it? |
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| 17:38.08 | monsune | wols somehow it booted with old device but just in read-only and i'm doomed for now |
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| 17:38.38 | wols | we cannot support freebsd and why it mounts stuff read-only. ask #freebsd instead |
| 17:38.57 | monsune | it's not quite freebsd, my host is debian as usual |
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| 17:39.03 | monsune | and it would be the same with debian guest |
| 17:39.26 | wols | freebsd is mounting read-only, right? then it's not a debian problem |
| 17:39.38 | wols | if you have this read only mounting in actual debian, then ask, not before |
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| 17:40.06 | monsune | i could as well just tell you that it's a debian guest.. |
| 17:40.32 | monsune | but ok thank you and sorry then |
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| 17:40.48 | wols | monsune: sure you can like to us. which makes us really want to help you. NOT |
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| 17:43.19 | monsune | hello again... what would be the proper syntax for mount to actually remount a device rw for / ? |
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| 17:44.06 | tremon | -o remount,rw |
| 17:44.08 | monsune | and is it possible to bypass fstab entry for such device when mounting? |
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| 17:44.29 | monsune | the fstab has a wrong entry and i need to overide |
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| 17:45.06 | tremon | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.09 | monsune | i mean when i try to remount rw it says it can't find a device |
| 17:45.28 | monsune | so i would like to simply give it a device to use |
| 17:45.39 | tremon | mounting without fstab happens every time you specify both a device and a mountpoint |
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| 17:45.57 | monsune | i can't seem to be able to find a proper syntax for that |
| 17:46.29 | monsune | i just want to mount/dev/x on / rw |
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| 17:47.14 | tremon | edit your kernel command line, change root= or add break=premount |
| 17:47.37 | monsune | i can't edit because the / is read-only |
| 17:47.49 | tremon | you can edit it from grub |
| 17:47.57 | tremon | hit E in the menu |
| 17:48.00 | monsune | hm |
| 17:48.01 | abrotman | why not remount / as rw ? |
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| 17:48.14 | monsune | abrotman because the entry in fstab is wrong |
| 17:48.29 | abrotman | for / ? |
| 17:48.32 | monsune | yes |
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| 17:49.54 | sadon | SynrG: that it right. thank you :) |
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| 17:50.15 | monsune | tremon so you suggest to use E on grub and just pass the right device? |
| 17:50.29 | monsune | together with rw |
| 17:51.19 | tremon | yes. You still need to edit fstab though, and passing rw is not necessary (if you do, fsck won't run iirc) |
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| 17:51.39 | tremon | but editing fstab can wait until after the boot |
| 17:51.41 | SynrG | sadon: were you able to figure out the password? :) |
| 17:51.50 | sadon | SynrG: no :( |
| 17:51.53 | SynrG | aww |
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| 17:52.50 | monsune | indeed i would happily edit the fstab asap |
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| 17:53.30 | monsune | many thanks for your help tremon, i will try that |
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| 17:56.16 | tanaro | exit |
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| 18:02.56 | DammitJim | I'm in the US and I don't have cable, so it's all OTA |
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| 18:07.57 | Artemis3 | DammitJim, crystal clear HD digital tv? Ads never looked prettier yes? |
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| 18:08.24 | DammitJim | ? |
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| 18:09.21 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Have a look at mythtv. The project goal is essentially a media center/DVR. |
| 18:09.34 | jhutchins | DammitJim: These days there's even OTA program guides. |
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| 18:19.11 | DammitJim | jhutchins, thanks... I've looked into MythTV before (10 years ago) and wasn't sure what else there is |
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| 18:19.33 | DammitJim | something that still drives me crazy is my remote control sending double signals to my IR receiver |
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| 18:21.46 | zmo | hi! since latest iceweasel upgrade, I'm getting a weird behavior with the menubar, whenever I hit the "alt" key, I get the menubar toggled... I prefered a lot the old single menu in previous versions of iceweasel |
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| 18:22.57 | jhutchins | zmo: What desktop do you use? |
| 18:23.07 | jhutchins | Oh, this is just iceweasel? |
| 18:23.41 | zmo | well, I'm using pentadactyl as well, but that's only iceweasel that's been upgrading considering that change of behaviour |
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| 18:30.13 | TechSmurf | Any quick ideas on getting exim4 to relay to a private address specified in ignore_target_hosts ? |
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| 18:31.02 | TechSmurf | Without removing the rest of the /8 in question from ignore_target_hosts ;) |
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| 18:34.34 | average | hey |
| 18:34.39 | average | opencores.org/shop,item,12 |
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| 18:34.52 | average | so this is the only opens-source processor I was able to find |
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| 18:35.04 | average | it's actually a board |
| 18:35.23 | average | so cpu+ram+ethernet+etc |
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| 18:36.33 | jhutchins | average: Does that somehow have anything to do with Debian? |
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| 18:37.17 | average | jhutchins: I'd like to run debian on it ? |
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| 18:44.22 | TechSmurf | nvm! |
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| 19:16.07 | JZTech101 | hi, I'm trying to install copy |
| 19:16.11 | JZTech101 | and I get hthis: |
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| 19:16.17 | JZTech101 | [127]jztech101@home /opt/copy/x86_64 $ ./CopyAgent |
| 19:16.20 | JZTech101 | ./CopyAgent: error while loading shared libraries: /opt/copy/x86_64/libstdc++.so.6: file too short |
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| 19:17.05 | centrx | JZTech101, What is "copy"? |
| 19:17.23 | JZTech101 | centrx: https://www.copy.com/browse/copy/ |
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| 19:19.29 | centrx | JZTech101, Sounds like either there was an error in extracting the install tarball, or there is an error in the install tarball |
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| 19:23.25 | JZTech101 | centrx: ty. a redownload fixed it |
| 19:23.47 | JZTech101 | Ugh - hate corrupted downloads |
| 19:26.17 | cypherman | hi people |
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| 19:27.15 | cypherman | i installed a ssl certificate for apache, now i need to get it signed, what company possibly free is good enough? |
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| 19:29.27 | neo1691 | Hi! Which command can tell me the usage of my LVM partitions? |
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| 19:31.30 | Walex | cypherman: none is "good enough". |
| 19:31.53 | Walex | cypherman: also, you haven't installed a "certificate", a certificate is the signed bit. |
| 19:32.17 | Walex | neo1691: there is no such thing as an LVM "partitions". |
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| 19:32.49 | Walex | neo1691: but try 'man pvs' and 'man vgs' |
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| 19:33.10 | neo1691 | Okay |
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| 19:33.39 | cypherman | Walex: well, i generated a "certificate" dort of speak, so i can now connect through https in my site, but firefox/iceweasel tells me the site is not trusted, so i need to be signed by a tird party right? i'm new to this |
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| 19:34.41 | neo1691 | Walex: pvscan says PV /dev/sda3 VG Debian lvm2 [526.94 GiB / 0 free] |
| 19:34.51 | neo1691 | Does it mean that I have no space on my disk? |
| 19:35.01 | Walex | cypherman: that would be then a self-signed certificate. If you are new please read an introduction (many of them on the intertubes) *before* asking questions... |
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| 19:35.48 | Walex | neo1691: it means that the listed PV is fully allocated to the 'Debian' VG. |
| 19:36.10 | mogunus | hi, does hunspell included with debian have a significantly better dictionary from aspell? or are the programs different but the dictionaries the same? |
| 19:36.18 | Walex | neo1691: whether the 'Debian' VG is full of LVs or the LVs are full of files is another matter. |
| 19:36.40 | Walex | neo1691: perpahs reading the other 'man |
| 19:36.53 | neo1691 | I am getting there |
| 19:36.59 | Walex | neo1691: perpahs reading the other 'man' page or an introduction to LVM2 might help... |
| 19:37.18 | cypherman | Walex: i read some and ended up enabling ssl in apache with a couple of debian howtos, so i don't need you to throw bananas on me, thanks anyway. |
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| 20:06.08 | damarusama | hi there, I remember reading a list of cpanel alternative on debain documentation site |
| 20:06.15 | damarusama | where could I find it? |
| 20:06.38 | petemc | https://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 20:06.45 | damarusama | sweet thanks! |
| 20:06.48 | petemc | np |
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| 20:09.50 | ompaul | oh noes it's petemc :) |
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| 20:13.15 | __tj__ | does anyone know how debootstrap "knows" which list of packages must be installed ? if i know that, then i can also figure out how to modify this list in order to remove from the default list, or even add to it as kind of a custom setup |
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| 20:16.27 | ompaul | __tj__: full clue sheet here https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 20:18.16 | ompaul | __tj__: it explains how to change stuff and use multistrap (which I guess you might like) or then again how to make your own repo etc |
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| 20:21.17 | __tj__ | ok, i think multistrap should be able to do the trick.... question that remains, is how to get to know which packages it installs default and how to remove from it |
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| 20:21.48 | ompaul | there are tasks which are used for default installs |
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| 20:22.16 | __tj__ | the default install list, is also needed when setting up a local package repo, so we're independent from the www repo's |
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| 20:24.24 | ompaul | __tj__: so there is this https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed but it looks to me like you really just want rerepo |
| 20:25.35 | ompaul | __tj__: before you go making your own distro remember this you can put debian together many ways like a minimal install and then stick additional stuff in there from some auto config script you test against every release tends to be easier to validate and less work |
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| 20:25.51 | teraflops | cd |
| 20:26.13 | ompaul | I have a few :) |
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| 20:28.55 | __tj__ | i want to have full control over what it is exactly that will be added to the filesystem.... if i look into the multistrap config file, it just tells it that for instance netcat should be added... it doesnt tell that netcat-2.5678-arm.deb should be added... |
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| 20:29.42 | ompaul | arch controls the arm thing - and apt-get install netcat sorts out the version number |
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| 20:30.12 | ompaul | are you trying to fix something different to what you asked about |
| 20:30.25 | ompaul | when all you have is a hammer it is tempting to make every problem a nail |
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| 20:33.42 | __tj__ | eehm not really, i want to setup a build system to build multiple different filesystems, for some embedded devices. The setup must be predictable and reproducable, now and when build in 2jrs from now. The output must be the same, exactly the same. If debootstrap or variants of it, use a config that resides in www, then they can be altered, and my build output will be different when they are.... |
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| 20:34.54 | __tj__ | could be that i'm missing something here, but then just lemme know :) |
| 20:34.55 | ompaul | you want to build your own apt mirror please search for that |
| 20:35.03 | sadon | slaps around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:35.17 | sadon | slaps ballcutter around a bit with a large trout |
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| 20:35.33 | sadon | it really works for irssi also |
| 20:35.34 | sadon | :) |
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| 20:36.05 | ompaul | sadon: it's not really a #debian technical question :) |
| 20:36.46 | ompaul | __tj__: I'd build my own repo and then I'd build my own "task" so it does the version I want |
| 20:37.10 | ompaul | __tj__: if you want it never to change it won't have security fixes if that is what you want |
| 20:38.30 | __tj__ | if i want security stuff added or modified, i want to know about the fact that they were added. Not that debian thinks they should, i rebuild and get another version of the filesystem |
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| 20:40.12 | ompaul | then run your own repo - with some security / update repo on the side and have fun with that - you are setting yourself quite a challenge |
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| 20:41.00 | shingouz | how about doing a linux from scratch? it sounds like what you are planning is very close to it |
| 20:41.34 | __tj__ | what do they use ? |
| 20:42.20 | shingouz | the source afaik. and in this case the "they" you are talking about is/are called __tj__ . basically, you do everything yourself |
| 20:43.14 | qman__ | i hope this system is not going to be connected to the internet |
| 20:43.27 | ompaul | qman__: fair point |
| 20:43.32 | qman__ | this is exactly what is wrong with SCADA |
| 20:44.30 | qman__ | dealing with bugs from updates is a hell of a lot better than getting hacked |
| 20:44.50 | qman__ | and bugs from updates honestly don't happen that often |
| 20:44.54 | ompaul | qman__: scada being in touch with the internetz is a how to be crazy |
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| 20:46.19 | qman__ | i manage a system of over 200 NASes that run debian wheezy, where i have automatic upgrades configured |
| 20:46.48 | qman__ | bugs just don't happen that often and i've yet to run into a completely breaking bug |
| 20:47.03 | __tj__ | its not that i say, one should never do patches or roll out security updates, i just want control |
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| 20:50.18 | ompaul | __tj__: depends on what the threat vector to this / these boxes is / are |
| 20:50.49 | Strangecharm | A few days ago, my audio stopped working. The Gnome audio widget now only lists one output device: “Dummy Output” and no other hardware that I can see. I'm on stable. |
| 20:51.04 | ompaul | Strangecharm: what did you change |
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| 20:54.13 | Strangecharm | ompaul: I'm not sure. I don't use audio much, so I'm not completely sure when it started, but I first *noticed* the problem when I plugged in a webcam to start a video call and realised that there was no audio. |
| 20:54.30 | average | any mutt afficionados here ? |
| 20:54.42 | ompaul | !anyone |
| 20:54.42 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 20:54.48 | average | ompaul: so you use Mutt |
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| 20:55.18 | ompaul | average: one person's expert is another's beginner - that is all I will say |
| 20:55.36 | average | so I'm trying to make some Mutt profiles and the only way I can do that right now is |
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| 20:56.06 | ompaul | Strangecharm: firstly try vlc and other stuff to test audio out |
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| 20:56.19 | average | macro generic <F2> ":source ~/.mutt/.profile.someprofile\nc =someprofile/foldername\n" |
| 20:56.37 | average | if I don't use this macro, then there's no way I can do this in ~/.mutt/.profile.someprofile |
| 20:56.40 | average | I tried everything |
| 20:56.42 | average | set foler |
| 20:56.44 | average | set spoolfile |
| 20:56.45 | average | set record |
| 20:56.47 | average | set mbox |
| 20:56.57 | average | nothing worked in ~/.mutt/.profile.someprofile |
| 20:57.12 | mtn | !enter |
| 20:57.12 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 20:58.11 | __tj__ | well, thanks everyone for help and hints,.... |
| 20:58.12 | damarusama | qui |
| 20:58.15 | damarusama | :( |
| 20:58.34 | Strangecharm | ompaul: I have. No audio. |
| 20:58.37 | ompaul | average: and did it work as a generic set of instructions - get something working two simple changes ... then try them as switchable profiles - then work on the "it doesn't work" p[roblem |
| 20:58.57 | ompaul | Strangecharm: alsamixer get it to try alternate sound cards |
| 20:58.59 | average | ompaul: I tried, no luck |
| 20:59.19 | ompaul | average: you did a generic setup for mutt? |
| 20:59.26 | ompaul | average: and it didn't work? |
| 20:59.40 | average | ompaul: so my structure is probably like yours, let me explain |
| 20:59.51 | average | ompaul: I have a .muttrc just like you have (and prolly everyone using Mutt) |
| 20:59.55 | ompaul | average: I have not used mutt in 5 years |
| 20:59.58 | average | and then I have a few files in ~/.mutt/ |
| 20:59.59 | Strangecharm | ompaul: When I open alsamixer, it defaults to pulse, but I can switch to my actual sound card with F6. I'm not really sure how to use alsamixer, though. |
| 21:00.08 | average | and I have profiles there in ~/.mutt |
| 21:00.17 | ompaul | Strangecharm: do so and sage it |
| 21:00.24 | average | and I call them .profile.someprofile1 ; .profile.someprofile2 and so forth |
| 21:00.27 | ompaul | Strangecharm: do so and save it |
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| 21:00.39 | average | and what I'm trying to do is to write the specifics in those files |
| 21:00.42 | average | in those profiles |
| 21:00.49 | average | and everything else goes in the generic ~/.muttrc |
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| 21:01.35 | Strangecharm | ompaul: How do I save? |
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| 21:02.00 | ompaul | Strangecharm: when you highlight your card hit enter |
| 21:02.20 | Strangecharm | It's now showing volume bars for my card rather than the pulse card. Is that saved? |
| 21:03.25 | ompaul | Strangecharm: most likely, you might find pcm is turned off now - if so turn it up |
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| 21:03.32 | ompaul | average: I've to run this might help http://www.cmdln.org/2008/11/07/how-i-tamed-my-mutt/ |
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| 21:21.30 | Aut0Exec | can i get the steps to upgrade from wheezy to the latest |
| 21:21.33 | Aut0Exec | ? |
| 21:21.37 | Aut0Exec | i need help quick |
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| 21:22.42 | centrx | Aut0Exec, What do you mean "the latest"? |
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| 21:23.18 | centrx | Aut0Exec, Assuming your sources.list is correct and you are on wheezy, do: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 21:23.41 | Aut0Exec | https://library.linode.com/upgrading/upgrade-to-debian-7-wheezy |
| 21:23.46 | Aut0Exec | ^ is this still relevant ? |
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| 21:26.02 | centrx | Aut0Exec, That seems to have some Linode-specific parts. |
| 21:26.21 | centrx | Aut0Exec, Also, you said upgrading _from_ wheezy to "the latest", whereas that is upgrading from squeeze _to_ wheezy. |
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| 21:26.56 | Aut0Exec | centrx: yeah sorry |
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| 21:27.02 | logui | hola |
| 21:27.05 | logui | como andan? |
| 21:27.10 | logui | hay alguien que me pueda ayudar? |
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| 21:27.47 | centrx | !es |
| 21:27.47 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 21:29.58 | Aut0Exec | centrx: outside of the linode specific parts... does it make sense? |
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| 21:30.08 | Aut0Exec | centrx: is it reallythat simple? |
| 21:30.40 | Aut0Exec | centrx: also what benefit is there to updating? |
| 21:30.40 | centrx | Aut0Exec, I'm not sure what you're doing, but yes, it is simple to upgrade Debian |
| 21:31.17 | Aut0Exec | and the benefits?> |
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| 21:33.02 | shingouz | Aut0Exec: security updates, some bugfixes... mostly security |
| 21:33.13 | Aut0Exec | oh |
| 21:33.17 | Aut0Exec | so i guess i should do it huh? |
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| 21:33.31 | Aut0Exec | can i get buy not being hacked without it? |
| 21:33.32 | shingouz | Aut0Exec: in a nutshell: yes |
| 21:33.35 | Aut0Exec | ah ok |
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| 21:33.38 | Aut0Exec | i understand |
| 21:33.44 | Aut0Exec | i will update then |
| 21:33.46 | Aut0Exec | since you said so |
| 21:33.50 | Aut0Exec | appreciate it bro |
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| 21:34.00 | shingouz | Aut0Exec: please note |
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| 21:34.04 | shingouz | Aut0Exec: that |
| 21:34.08 | Aut0Exec | ? |
| 21:34.14 | shingouz | Aut0Exec: is annoying. enter is not puctuation |
| 21:34.27 | centrx | !enter |
| 21:34.27 | Aut0Exec | lol ok |
| 21:34.27 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 21:34.49 | Aut0Exec | i'm terribly sorry m8. please forgive me |
| 21:35.56 | shingouz | Aut0Exec: <ny accent> forgeddaboutit </ny accent> |
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| 21:37.25 | Aut0Exec | shingouz: lol ok |
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| 21:39.44 | s5s | hi, I've just installed debian testing. It appears that the default desktop environment (DE) is xfce4. Is that true? I downloaded the default iso...debian used to come with gnome up to quite recently I think |
| 21:40.56 | linuxgeek_ | during preseed install grub fails to install on /boot which is /dev/sde1 and tries on /dev/sdc which is a lun. |
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| 21:40.59 | mtn | s5s: as you just found out, it is true ;) it may change before being released, though |
| 21:41.31 | shingouz | s5s: do not install xfce if you do not like it, install gnome instead. |
| 21:41.39 | linuxgeek_ | in spite of commenting the grub related entries in the preseed file, it still fails |
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| 21:42.07 | linuxgeek_ | any thoughts how to get grub installed on /dev/sde1 |
| 21:42.09 | abrotman | s5s: you can install anything you like. |
| 21:42.27 | s5s | I have never used anything but gnome2. For several years now I've been using awesome WM but I'd like to have some DE installed. Is xfce recommended over kde? I understand this is quite personal but wanted to get a feel of the general consensus |
| 21:42.49 | abrotman | s5s: you can install gnome3 if you want it. |
| 21:42.57 | mtn | s5s: no such thing as general consensus |
| 21:43.13 | viscera | s5s: you can always install MATE from their 3rd party repo and get that authentic gnome2 experience. but support for your DE will then come from MATE |
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| 21:43.24 | s5s | abrotman: hmm, I think I'll look at a few reviews on YT to see what gnome3 is like. I've heard most people don't like it. |
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| 21:43.45 | mtn | s5s: some noisy ones don't like it ;) |
| 21:43.46 | abrotman | viscera: MATE is in testing unfortunately. |
| 21:43.54 | viscera | ooh |
| 21:43.56 | abrotman | s5s: I like it quite a bit |
| 21:44.03 | mtn | s5s: me too |
| 21:44.24 | abrotman | s5s: And my backup DE is LXDE in most cases. |
| 21:44.25 | s5s | aboman: gnome3? Is it not a resource hog? I mean I've got a beefy machine so not like I care |
| 21:44.35 | viscera | abrotman: i don't think i'll be switching to it, but that sounds like good news to me |
| 21:44.40 | abrotman | s5s: I can't answer that, I don't know what you do with your machines |
| 21:44.42 | xtzgs | Hi, I am looking into possibility to have clearly distinguished "needed" / "dependency" package list. For example, on Gentoo (with its emerge) I have package.list that lists packages that must be explicitly present. The rest of the system is - dependency, and exists just to make the system run. I can even create groups that I installed because it was part of something, that plays no role when main part is removed. With Synaptic I have "manua |
| 21:44.42 | xtzgs | l installed" category, but it contains stuff I never selected - such as "gcc-4.3; ..4.4; ..4.6" and so on. I need to manually traverse a huge list of libraries and applications to fix that - temporary. It would be cool if you know a better way on Debian system..? |
| 21:44.43 | LV-426 | linuxgeek_, looking at 'debconf-get-selections --installer | grep grub-installer', it appears there is a 'grub-installer/bootdev' option, have you tried using it? |
| 21:44.45 | abrotman | viscera: hardly |
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| 21:44.58 | viscera | abrotman: if it doesn't conflict with gnome3, what's the problem? |
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| 21:45.08 | abrotman | viscera: Itself |
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| 21:45.12 | viscera | shrugs |
| 21:45.27 | viscera | people like it, who am i to judge |
| 21:45.31 | abrotman | xtzgs: what's your ultimate goal |
| 21:45.45 | abrotman | viscera: opinions are like assholes :) |
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| 21:46.04 | s5s | abrotman: so what's the deal here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 21:46.08 | s5s | I can't get a gnome3 iso? |
| 21:46.17 | s5s | I have to deselect DE during tasksel |
| 21:46.32 | s5s | and then install it myself.... |
| 21:46.33 | abrotman | s5s: use the netinst, install a barebones system, then install gnome .. or uhm, let me find it |
| 21:46.36 | mtn | s5s: using the netinstall expert mode you install whichever de you wish |
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| 21:46.59 | abrotman | s5s: try the advanced options before you boot the installer |
| 21:47.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell s5s -about install gnome |
| 21:47.28 | xtzgs | abrotman: to have one package manually removed and all its dependencies clearly purge or dropped. To have bigger program removed and have all the packages associated with it dropped. Right now I have a huge list on "manually installed" that for the most part I never ever seen.. |
| 21:47.32 | s5s | OK, OK I'll just get the netinstall. abrotman I always use the expert install. I think that used to be the default in the olden days...when I was 10 :) |
| 21:48.02 | abrotman | xtzgs: I think you're asking ot use aptitude, but I'm not sure |
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| 21:48.18 | babilen | s5s: And I'd recommend to either install stable (minimal install?) first and upgrade that to testing *or* to at least use the alpha installer from https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:48.53 | linuxgeek_ | LV-426, yes i have tried it. it does not work as there seems to be a bug - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=666974 |
| 21:49.04 | babilen | s5s: Please also note that testing (along with unstable) is supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. You might also want to read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
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| 21:51.24 | s5s | babilen: why install stable and then upgrade to testing? Is this to escape the firmware bug in the errata? I've always found more problems with upgrading from distro to distro |
| 21:52.23 | abrotman | s5s: you're helping to test, greatly appreciated |
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| 21:53.08 | s5s | abrotman: ? |
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| 21:54.20 | abrotman | s5s: most people upgrade from relesae to release .. you can file a bug if something breaks |
| 21:54.27 | babilen | s5s: Several reasons actually. The two most important ones are that it is not guaranteed at all that the testing install is working (at all!) nor that testing is in a state in which you can actually install it. In the former case you can use the stable installer to install testing, but the method that is most likely to yield good results at this point in the release cycle is to install stable first and to take it from there. |
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| 21:55.45 | babilen | s5s: Now that we have an alpha release of the testing installer it is probably appreciated to *try* that, but I don't feel comfortable yet to recommend it as we are almost certainly far away from an installer version that "works" for most people, hardware and options. |
| 21:56.11 | babilen | s5s: But still: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 21:56.20 | shingouz | s5s: upgrading from stable to testing is usually a non-issue on debian. going to unstable can be about the same as shooting yourself in the head |
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| 21:56.56 | babilen | ... |
| 21:57.10 | abrotman | !!! |
| 21:57.10 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 21:58.31 | LV-426 | linuxgeek_, humm, well at least it's closed ;] I assume you can't use unstable as your target... |
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| 22:00.02 | babilen | s5s: Debian typically invests a lot of effort into ensuring a smooth upgrade process between releases; that naturally doesn't hold true when you "upgrade" to testing which was never meant to be used by users. I would personally even argue that testing is not a sensible choice for end users due to its idiosyncrasies such as package removal, missing security support and, at times, broken dependencies. Unstable, otoh, at least receives timely ... |
| 22:00.08 | babilen | ... updates. As a bunch of people want the "relaxed state of mind" of "it's been tested some little bit" I'd recommend to run a testing/unstable mix which is, IMHO, the only sensible thing to do at this point in the release cycle. |
| 22:00.15 | babilen | s5s: But that shall be the last I say about this in this channel. |
| 22:00.22 | linuxgeek_ | LV-426, yep. is there a way to add the patch to the iso? or any workaround? |
| 22:00.39 | LV-426 | linuxgeek_, if not you might be able to apply the patch and serve a fixed 1.85 grub-installer package to the installer but that would involve some work |
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| 22:01.21 | linuxgeek_ | LV-426, i'm game for it. just that i do not know how to do it |
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| 22:02.12 | LV-426 | linuxgeek_, yes - you need some apt-proxy to serve the patched package basically - download the debian source packages from here - https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/grub-installer |
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| 22:03.52 | LV-426 | linuxgeek_, apply the patch, build the package, install into your apt-proxy of choice, use the proxy as your install mirror & profit! |
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| 22:04.42 | acu | I am puzzled and annoyed everytime I am trying to search with the nautilus search - am I something meissing ? I run debian wheezy |
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| 22:05.09 | acu | search does not work in nautilus |
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| 22:07.15 | kvim | i need quick help with virt-install on wheezy! |
| 22:07.20 | acu | is there a bug in Nautilus search on Debian wheezy ? |
| 22:07.24 | kvim | virt-install --connect qemu:///system -n debian -r 256 --vcpus=1 --disk path=/var/cache/libvirt/images/debian.img,size=6 -c /var/cache/libvirt/images/debian-7.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso --os-type linux --os-variant debianwheezy --accelerate --hvm |
| 22:07.37 | kvim | this command will absolutelly not boot, evah! |
| 22:07.42 | LV-426 | linuxgeek_, a quicker (hackish though) way might be to download the fixed 1.93 version and rewrite it's version number - since it only installs grub during the installation process it *should* work, but you learn less taking this path ;] |
| 22:07.46 | kvim | kvm module is loaded |
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| 22:08.00 | abrotman | acu: they have this thing called the BTS where they catalog bugs |
| 22:08.26 | kvim | I have tried on debian 7.0 and on a 7.4 |
| 22:08.54 | acu | abrotman: thanks, I wanted to make sure that this is not happening with me only, though I have wheezy in several machines and the gnome nautilus search does not work |
| 22:08.56 | kvim | ^] is all I get... enter, returns nothing |
| 22:09.18 | linuxgeek_ | LV-426, to unblock myself i would take the 2nd option. once it works i would explore the 1st option |
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| 22:09.44 | linuxgeek_ | LV-426, how do i rewrite the version number? |
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| 22:10.28 | kvim | anyone try it and create an VM with virt-install on debian (command line, not virt-manager) it will not work. |
| 22:11.03 | linuxgeek_ | LV-426, could i not use d-i pkgsel/include string in anyway to have the latest grub installed? |
| 22:11.09 | acu | kvim I think your path you create your machine is not right, is not in cache ? it is by default in /var/lib I think, make sure is right, if not change (edit the default pool) - |
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| 22:12.14 | adamsilver | Which version of nginx will I get if I do: sudo apt-get install nginx? |
| 22:12.16 | kvim | acu: right away! |
| 22:13.26 | wols | ,v nginx |
| 22:13.27 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy2; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy2; sid: 1.4.5-1; wheezy-backports: 1.4.6-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.4.6-1; sid: 1.4.7-1; experimental: 1.5.11-1~exp1 |
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| 22:13.43 | wols | adamsilver: depends on the version of debian you are running. and you can always check on packages.debian.org |
| 22:13.55 | LV-426 | linuxgeek_, I think that would end up upgrading the package, and I'm not sure you can specify version numbers there |
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| 22:15.43 | kvim | aca: alas, failed again |
| 22:15.51 | kvim | same output, pasted on #flood |
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| 22:17.31 | adamsilver | wols: thanks |
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| 22:20.17 | kvim | if anyone has a couple of minutes to spare I dare you to go and try to get a kvm instance provisioned with virt-install on wheezy, use the netinstall iso or any other |
| 22:20.45 | abrotman | DONE! |
| 22:20.48 | kvim | if someone can confirm its broken I fill a bugreport |
| 22:21.09 | abrotman | kvim: Did you read the docs on the wiki? |
| 22:21.52 | kvim | abrotman: absolutely, that is where I started |
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| 22:22.35 | kvim | abrotman: no vnc, no spice, no virtmanager |
| 22:23.12 | kvim | abrotman: ssh console, we are linux sysadmins here, no cheating! |
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| 22:23.55 | acu | kvim: can you paste your place you read to do this ? |
| 22:24.13 | kvim | https://wiki.debian.org/KVM |
| 22:24.21 | kvim | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianKVMGuests |
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| 22:25.29 | abrotman | kvim: I'd offer, but I don't have a wheezy left anymore I don't think, and I'm about to head out the door |
| 22:25.52 | kvim | abrotman: :D |
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| 22:26.16 | acu | kvim: I have no much time, however, the documentation is like 7 years old - CentOS 5.5 and Lenny ? |
| 22:26.20 | kvim | either console redirection is broken or qemu-kvm is locking up |
| 22:26.40 | acu | so what host OS do you run ? |
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| 22:27.26 | kvim | acu: wheezy on host, wheezy on guest |
| 22:27.38 | tycel | Would you guys mind if I ask where I could find the OpenSSL Prefix ? /usr doesn't seem to have them. |
| 22:28.41 | acu | kvim: sys admins no cheating might need to know everything they place in that one line :) |
| 22:30.20 | acu | there is far better documentation - perhaps you can get "inspired" from some ubuntu forums, also, it might be possible that you may have some requirements missing ? and perhaps you can create the and empty .img then install in it ? |
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| 22:30.55 | acu | kvim: and once you do make it work, pehraps you can share your experience |
| 22:31.32 | belowzero | hi guys, how to download wpasupplicant package and all the dependecies in one command? |
| 22:32.14 | acu | i have to look at your command, but also what image do you create raw or qcow2? because there are difference when it comes to booting, I think |
| 22:32.26 | kvim | raw to simplify! |
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| 22:33.06 | kvim | I wanted to have the cleanest/chepeast way to possibly spawn a vm on debian |
| 22:33.10 | kvim | I guess I am paying the price |
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| 22:34.34 | LV-426 | belowzero, try 'apt-get -d install wpasupplicant', dependencies should be available under /var/cache/apt/archives afterwards |
| 22:34.48 | acu | kvim: I would read first this ... http://virt-tools.org/learning/install-with-command-line/ |
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| 22:36.16 | acu | that tutorial tells you, "as I said" I think, to create and empty .img - then proceed to install |
| 22:36.30 | acu | kvim** |
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| 22:37.40 | linuxgeek_ | LV-426, i got it to work |
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| 22:38.24 | kvim | acu: will try! thank |
| 22:38.28 | acu | kvim: yes, sysadmin "no cheating" are not cheap, because they pay a price LOL, but you need to know what you are doing, and take it easy, it take more than 30 seconds to do this :) |
| 22:38.32 | acu | be good |
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| 22:39.10 | LV-426 | linuxgeek_, nice - changed the version number? |
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| 22:39.48 | kvim | acu: I've done this before tho... I actually read this doc you pasted studying for rhce... it works on centos, I am having a problem with debby. But i will try presto!!! |
| 22:40.16 | acu | :) I am sure you are good, but I trust computers anytime LOL |
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| 22:40.39 | linuxgeek_ | LV-426, I set grub-installer/only_debian to false and it was able to read d-i grub-installer/bootdev string /dev/sde1 |
| 22:41.08 | CygniX | anyone familiar with this phpgadmin error when trying to dump postgres data? 'Export error: Failed to execute pg_dump (given path in your conf/config.inc.php : /usr/bin/pg_dump). Please, fix this path in your configuration and relog.' |
| 22:41.10 | linuxgeek_ | LV-426, i did like to know how to change the version number? |
| 22:41.18 | acu | you may get "inspired" by some ubuntu tutorials |
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| 22:44.00 | kvim | acu: dd to create the raw and the cleanest possible way (by the good ppl from redhat) |
| 22:44.05 | kvim | acu: # virt-install -r 1024 --accelerate -n DebianFails -f /var/lib/libvirt/images/guest.img --cdrom /var/lib/libvirt/images/debian-7.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 22:44.23 | LV-426 | linuxgeek_, edit manually & recalculate checksums - seems like there are also scripts available which claim to do this - http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/deb-reversion.1.html |
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| 22:44.48 | kvim | acu: all I am saying is, if you trust computers, run this and tell me you get an console that boots ;) |
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| 22:45.38 | kvim | acu: save me from filling a bug report that migth waste valuable debian support cycles ! |
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| 22:47.53 | linuxgeek_ | LV-426, sure thanks. will give that a try |
| 22:48.41 | belowzero | LV-426: thanks |
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| 22:57.00 | kvim | to eliminate VT, kvm and acceleration all together try " --virt-type qemu" it will bomb as well |
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| 23:07.44 | AmbiguousOutlier | how can i connect to my server via ssh over the internet, router has forwarded lan port 10001 on private server ip from public port 10011. all servers have been configured on 10001. I'm then using ssh -p 10011 me@publicIPaddress, but I get connection refused erro |
| 23:09.22 | centrx | Are you sure your router is forwarding properly? |
| 23:09.29 | digdilem | and forward tcp |
| 23:09.35 | centrx | Is port 10011 open on the router? |
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| 23:10.42 | AmbiguousOutlier | it's forwarded, not specified if it's open or not, let me check router seetings |
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| 23:13.51 | AmbiguousOutlier | http://www.canyouseeme.org/ says the port is open |
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| 23:14.42 | AmbiguousOutlier | tcp and udp is forwarded |
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| 23:15.28 | Aeiri | do `ssh -vvv blah` and pastebin the output |
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| 23:18.48 | israel_ | where do I go to talk to someone about some packaging issues I am having? |
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| 23:19.54 | dondelelcaro | israel_: you can always ask here, but #debian-mentors on OFTC or the debian-mentors@lists.debian.org mailing list are the cannonical locations |
| 23:20.02 | AmbiguousOutlier | rhys@cherry:~$ ssh -vvv -p 10011 rhys@1.22.333.444 |
| 23:20.04 | dondelelcaro | israel_: this is assuming that it's packaging for Debian, of course. |
| 23:20.06 | AmbiguousOutlier | OpenSSH_6.2p2 Ubuntu-6ubuntu0.1, OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013 |
| 23:20.08 | AmbiguousOutlier | debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 23:20.10 | AmbiguousOutlier | debug1: /etc/ssh/ssh_config line 19: Applying options for * |
| 23:20.11 | AmbiguousOutlier | debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 |
| 23:20.13 | AmbiguousOutlier | debug1: Connecting to 1.22.333.444 [1.22.333.444] port 10011. |
| 23:20.15 | AmbiguousOutlier | debug1: connect to address 1.22.333.444 port 10011: Connection refused |
| 23:20.17 | AmbiguousOutlier | ssh: connect to host 1.22.333.444 port 10011: Connection refused |
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| 23:20.43 | israel_ | well... it is for Ubuntu... but it is questions about dh and how to prevent a certain .install file from installing certain things that another one will. |
| 23:20.56 | israel_ | dondelelcaro: what is OFTC? |
| 23:21.10 | dondelelcaro | !oftc |
| 23:21.10 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 23:22.11 | israel_ | dpkg: ok, so I am on freenode, do I need to quit and join OFTC? |
| 23:22.13 | dpkg | israel_: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 23:23.01 | israel_ | dondelelcaro: ok, so I am on freenode, do I need to quit and join OFTC? |
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| 23:26.14 | sysvalve | no... |
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| 23:27.07 | nomine | Does anyone have any ideea why cerbere fails to load its watched processes? |
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| 23:30.00 | AmbiguousOutlier | any ideas, i got booted, if anyone replied, sorry for that |
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| 23:36.57 | Aeiri | AmbiguousOutlier: use pastebin next time, but try `nmap -p <PORT> <IP>`... those errors look like the port really isnt open |
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| 23:40.19 | AmbiguousOutlier | ok so nmap says; 10011/tcp closed unknown |
| 23:40.46 | Aeiri | AmbiguousOutlier: its got to be a port forwarding issue on your router then |
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| 23:42.10 | AmbiguousOutlier | are you saying it's a user error? ;) i guess i should check in the morning, when i haven't had so many beers. |
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| 23:52.21 | owen1 | after running unetbootin i only see the following files in the usb drive: ldlinux.sys menu.c32 syslinux.cfg ubninit ubnkern is it all i should see? |
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| 23:54.00 | oliva | hi there I have just updated unstable and got Alert! /dev/disk/by-uuid/... does not exists the uuid is the / lvm filesystem ... can somebody help? |
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| 23:55.29 | sysvalve | oliva: maybe your blkids changed |
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| 23:55.46 | owen1 | nevermind. now it's ok |
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| 23:56.45 | oliva | sysvalve: blkid in the built-in shell correspond to the root filesystem |
| 23:56.51 | sysvalve | oliva: you may want to check if your fstab checks what you actually have in your system (you can use blkid) |
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| 23:57.35 | sysvalve | what do you mean by built-in shell? there's no blkid builtin AFAIK |
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| 23:58.09 | oliva | fstayes it is |
| 23:58.22 | oliva | ops sorry sysvalve yes there is |
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| 23:59.30 | oliva | sysvalve: I could activate the vg with lvm and check that the uuid of the root id the same of the one the kernel is missing with blkid |
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