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| 00:02.12 | hiyo | I want to be able to package my python program for debian |
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| 00:02.31 | hiyo | how can I do that? |
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| 00:02.58 | themill | hiyo: does it have a setup.py and does it stick things in sensible directories when you use it? |
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| 00:03.40 | hiyo | themill: no, if it helps any this is the URL http://burnedtoast.cu.cc/allarea |
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| 00:04.07 | hiyo | themill: I don't understand the setup.py and how I structure my program to use that |
| 00:04.18 | ompaul | hiyo: you should take a look at that link |
| 00:04.30 | themill | hiyo: "account suspended" isn't a great start there ;) |
| 00:04.39 | nkuttler | hiyo: try #python.. learn to package for pypi first |
| 00:04.43 | hiyo | oh shoot |
| 00:04.51 | hiyo | they keep on doing that to my account |
| 00:05.00 | hiyo | say I'm using too much resources or something |
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| 00:05.28 | themill | hiyo: is it just the one python script or are there modules and data files too? |
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| 00:06.10 | hiyo | there are like 4 python fiels, two are GUI and 1 calculates area and the other volume, and then there are command line versions of them |
| 00:08.15 | themill | hiyo: so this thing would be four files in /usr/bin and that's it? |
| 00:08.31 | petern_ | ponders upgrading his laptop |
| 00:08.33 | themill | predicts there should be modules too |
| 00:08.54 | hiyo | themill: pretty much |
| 00:09.03 | petern_ | 2002 laptop to run Gnome 3. What could go wrong? |
| 00:09.20 | hiyo | themill: there's an icon too, does that make a difference? |
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| 00:09.53 | ompaul | petern_: if you got the ram ... so be it |
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| 00:10.05 | themill | hiyo: once you're accumulating a few things like that then having a setup.py can help a lot http://pythonhosted.org/setuptools/ . You'll have .desktop files too then I suppose... Dealing with icons and desktop files tends to be a bit debian-specific in the packaging though. |
| 00:10.27 | petern_ | Er... 512MB... |
| 00:10.42 | Chrys0pras3 | Hi, possible reasons for a LUKS device not getting mounted at boot? After upgrading to the 3.12 kernel it's no longer prompting me for a password |
| 00:10.46 | petern_ | Hmm, no wired connection to do it with :S |
| 00:10.50 | themill | hiyo: the earlier comment of "get it working on pypi first" is a reasonable one. The better the quality of the installer that comes with the source code, the easier the debian packaging is |
| 00:11.37 | themill | hiyo: once you've got that bit working, then look at https://wiki.debian.org/Python/Pybuild and the new maintainer's guide (/msg dpkg nmg) |
| 00:12.18 | petern_ | Ah, apt-get -d upgrade in X11 first, good idea. |
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| 00:15.56 | freeroute | IIRC distros like CentOS have SELinux by default but Debian (minimal netinstall) not, so is there a way of easily installing SELinux on Debian wheezy fresh netinst and getting a standard web server template for it without it causing too much headaches in configuration? |
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| 00:18.22 | HisaoNakai | Hi. Both grub and LiLo 'failed to install into /target/'. Was trying to install to the MBR in the latter case. Thoughts? |
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| 00:19.43 | Nik05 | HisaoNakai in the installer? |
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| 00:20.05 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: Yeah |
| 00:20.34 | Nik05 | what installer did you use? |
| 00:21.05 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: The graphical one, using the desktop icon. |
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| 00:21.28 | Nik05 | i meant version of installer |
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| 00:22.37 | Nik05 | not sure if it is possible in the installer, thought you needed to say no to the question to install it on mbr |
| 00:22.59 | Nik05 | but you can also install it manually |
| 00:23.09 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: I can't seem to ascertain the version - how does one check? |
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| 00:23.38 | Nik05 | i guess you use the stable installer then |
| 00:24.05 | HisaoNakai | Oh, if you mean Debian version, yeah, Stable it is. |
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| 00:24.46 | Nik05 | well i meant installer version, but i think you also have the stable one |
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| 00:25.46 | HisaoNakai | Oh, this is similar - Debian liveboot refuses to see my internet too (was working fine before some point in the installation) - http://www.overclock.net/t/1417805/grub-and-lilo-fails-to-install-to-dev-sdc-on-a-debian-live-install |
| 00:26.17 | Nik05 | oh are you using the live cd? |
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| 00:26.43 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: LiveUSB in my case, yeah. |
| 00:26.55 | Nik05 | oh ok |
| 00:27.06 | foureyes779 | Anyone know what the PowerPC for debian is ? |
| 00:27.10 | Nik05 | so installation almost finished? |
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| 00:27.37 | Nik05 | HisaoNakai you know how to handdle a terminal? |
| 00:27.41 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: Yeah, as far as I can tell, installation's done, but both grub and lilo installation failed :( |
| 00:27.44 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: Course ^^ |
| 00:28.28 | Nik05 | ok well mount target and install grub on it yourself |
| 00:28.39 | HisaoNakai | ...oh. |
| 00:30.03 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: I've never done that before, no idea how that's done :s |
| 00:30.23 | Nik05 | let me find manual for you |
| 00:30.33 | foureyes779 | Anyone know what the PowerPC channel for debian is ? |
| 00:30.42 | HisaoNakai | Currently looking at https://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
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| 00:31.56 | AsumFace | foureyes779< there's #debianppc on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:32.16 | foureyes779 | AsumFace: thank you, will give them a try |
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| 00:32.45 | Nik05 | HisaoNaki you know the partion you installes it on? |
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| 00:33.40 | foureyes779 | Their is a DebianPPC here on Freenode, but it only has about 10 people in it. Not very active. |
| 00:34.17 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: I tried both the Windows bootloader partition (although there's no Windows on this box anymore) and the Debian root partition, for Grub. o.o |
| 00:34.23 | Nik05 | sorry no idea, but maybe those 10 can help foureyes779? |
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| 00:34.58 | Nik05 | HisaoNakai first you need to mount the target |
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| 00:36.00 | Nik05 | mount /dev/sdXY /target |
| 00:36.44 | Nik05 | then grub-install --root-directory=/target /dev/sdX |
| 00:37.03 | Nik05 | change X an Y with your drive and partition |
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| 00:38.25 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: There's no grub-install command here :o |
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| 00:39.08 | Nik05 | you did mount the partition? |
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| 00:39.19 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: Yeah |
| 00:39.40 | Nik05 | you can try to chroot into it and then run grub-install, without the --root-directory |
| 00:40.10 | Nik05 | chroot /target |
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| 00:40.28 | Nik05 | then grub-install /dev/sdX |
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| 00:41.23 | Nik05 | oh and you could try to run update-grub after that, when you boot into debian you run update-grub again |
| 00:42.06 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: "chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory" |
| 00:42.14 | Nik05 | oh |
| 00:42.24 | Nik05 | strange |
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| 00:43.14 | Nik05 | are you sure you mounteed the correct partion? |
| 00:43.30 | Nik05 | can you take a look whats in it? |
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| 00:45.01 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: Yeah, it seems to be mounted... |
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| 00:45.20 | Nik05 | can you cd to the target? |
| 00:45.20 | branbran | okay fedora does a clear sign while debian does a detached signature |
| 00:45.24 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: Yeah |
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| 00:45.40 | Nik05 | and is bin/bash in it? |
| 00:46.09 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: Did you want me to do this on any partition I wanted to install grub on or only on the Debian partition? |
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| 00:47.17 | Nik05 | first you need to mount the debian systen partitiob |
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| 00:47.53 | koell | hi is it possible to use leafpad or any other local editor via ssh? |
| 00:47.53 | Nik05 | so something like /dev/sdXY |
| 00:48.28 | Nik05 | where X is a letter and Y a number |
| 00:49.59 | centrx | koell, You mean a GUI program? |
| 00:50.50 | koell | centrx: exactly |
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| 00:52.16 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: Okay, it's on sda6, and mount /dev/sda6 says 'mount: /dev/sda6 already mounted or /lib/live/installer/target busy' 'mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda6 is already mounted on /lib/live/installer/target'. |
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| 00:52.51 | jimcooncat | koell: 2 methods to do that. You can connect with ssh -X and it will forward a leafpad over the connection... |
| 00:52.53 | Nik05 | ah ok cd into /lib/live/installer/targrt |
| 00:52.56 | centrx | koell, Either ssh with ssh -X |
| 00:53.18 | centrx | koell, Or do export DISPLAY=<remote hostname>:0.0 |
| 00:53.27 | koell | centrx: jimcooncat i dont want to see the gui there, if there is one. just use my local text editor. |
| 00:53.34 | jimcooncat | Or you could connect with sshfs and mount on your local system, then use your local leafpad |
| 00:53.41 | Nik05 | then run chroot, aftrr that grub-install /dev/sda |
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| 00:54.29 | jimcooncat | koell: then you'd want the sshfs setup, it's quite snappy compared to forwarding X |
| 00:54.35 | koell | jimcooncat: will give it a try, thanks. do i have to install a server component for? |
| 00:55.11 | jimcooncat | koell: you'll need sshd running on the remote computer |
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| 00:55.57 | koell | jimcooncat: sure :) |
| 00:56.29 | Nik05 | HisaoNakai got it? |
| 00:56.31 | jimcooncat | koell: use a very strong password, or much better is to figure how to use public key authentication |
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| 00:57.26 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: Aha. chroot /lib/live/installer/target worked. But there's still no command called 'grub-install' :o |
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| 00:58.20 | koell | jimcooncat: already used ssh before. i just hope this works with my connection. doesnt have the fastet net here |
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| 00:59.16 | Nik05 | HisaoNakai is grub installed? |
| 01:00.01 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: No |
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| 01:01.07 | Nik05 | apt-get update && apt-get install grub-pc |
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| 01:02.00 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: No internet on that thing, the internet stopped working after some time into the install... |
| 01:02.29 | Nik05 | oh hm |
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| 01:02.49 | HisaoNakai | Although...since the installation seemed to have succeeded and it's only the bootloader that's not there...maybe I could quit the live session and boot into the live session again? |
| 01:03.02 | HisaoNakai | (and then install grub?) |
| 01:03.04 | comi | Hi, I just did a debian install on my machine without networking and I dont have a home directory? |
| 01:03.21 | jimcooncat | koell: it's worked for me well back in the dialup days. But if you get disconnected read ssh man page on keepalive |
| 01:03.32 | Nik05 | well install-grub should work |
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| 01:04.00 | Nik05 | ah install-grub or grub-install, one of those on the target? |
| 01:04.15 | koell | jimcooncat: very cool! it does work excelent for me too |
| 01:04.42 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: Heh, I looked for that one too, isn't there :s |
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| 01:05.41 | koell | jimcooncat: why doesn't it come out of the box with *buntu. such a comfortable way to browse |
| 01:06.25 | Nik05 | hm sorry HisaoNakai dont know about the live install |
| 01:06.32 | HisaoNakai | :( |
| 01:06.35 | Nik05 | maybe someone else here can help |
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| 01:09.20 | Nik05 | HisaoNakai maybe try the normal installer? :P |
| 01:10.07 | Nik05 | sorry have to go now, goodluck! |
| 01:10.28 | rabelais | I'm trying to setup traffic control. I have a tbf qdisc set on my ppp0 connection, underneath I have a prio qdisc setup, I'd like to set some filters to classify traffic within the prio bands, but I'm having some trouble getting the filters to stick |
| 01:10.37 | rabelais | I give a tc filter command, the command seemingly goes through, but when I do a 'tc filter ls dev ppp0', no filter rules show up |
| 01:10.48 | rabelais | is there any way I could diagnose a bit of what's going on? |
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| 01:11.51 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: 'Normal installer'? O_o I guess you mean the CLI one...will try. Thank you :) |
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| 01:32.56 | pbk239 | i'm trying to mount a partition sd0 with: sudo mount -t ext2fs sd0 /mnt . what am i doing wrong? |
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| 01:35.02 | Olli0 | try sudo mount -t ext2 sd0 /mnt |
| 01:35.03 | dominic__ | hello debian this is my first time! and its great |
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| 01:35.17 | Olli0 | or just sudo mount sd0 /mnt |
| 01:35.19 | dominic__ | echo |
| 01:35.45 | dominic__ | 12 |
| 01:35.46 | dominic__ | 1212 |
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| 01:35.54 | Olli0 | oops |
| 01:36.05 | Olli0 | he did it again :) |
| 01:37.14 | dgriffi | does anyone here have a Thinkpad T420? |
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| 01:38.21 | HisaoNakai | Nik05: Good heavens. The CLI installer worked. Whew. Thank you again ^^ |
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| 01:40.32 | azswa | hello, I am using a debian VPS. Anyone can help on how to link my machine to a domain name? |
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| 01:43.01 | Olli0 | azswa: do you just like to link the domain to the ip of your vps? |
| 01:45.38 | azswa | Olli0>it's been done with my registrar, now I just need to figure out what I need to do on my VPS so that it's available. (virtualhost is already configured) |
| 01:48.00 | Olli0 | azswa: besides the virtualhost directive in apache you don't need to configure anything within debian |
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| 01:51.02 | azswa | Olli0>that's strange... when I go to my page, I still can see a page from my registrar instead of what I put in my /var/www/ folder |
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| 01:51.48 | Olli0 | azswa: then it looks like your domain name is not pointing to the ip address of your vps |
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| 01:53.57 | azswa | Olli0>thanks, I think I am gonna have a look at my registrar's configuration page... |
| 01:54.17 | Olli0 | try "nslookup yourdomain.com" and compare this ip with the ip of your vps |
| 01:54.38 | Olli0 | and replace yourdomain.com with your real domain |
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| 01:55.03 | pbk239 | i never understoof that. what is your domain supposed to be. something made up or real? |
| 01:55.09 | pbk239 | for things like hostname |
| 01:55.48 | Olli0 | the hostname of a machine does not have to be a real domain name |
| 01:56.42 | pbk239 | but it needs to be @something. it can't just be a username right? |
| 01:56.54 | azswa | Olli0>you're right, it definitely is not my vps ip |
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| 01:57.44 | Olli0 | azswa: if you just configured a new ip to your domain name, it might take some time to reflect on the domain name servers (DNS) |
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| 01:58.08 | Olli0 | worst case it could be take some days to populate a new ip |
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| 01:59.31 | Olli0 | pbk239: do you mean just the prompt displayed on the console? |
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| 02:01.45 | pbk239 | Olli0: ya |
| 02:02.08 | pbk239 | you select it during the install process |
| 02:02.47 | azswa | Olli0> it's all sorted now, thanks a lot |
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| 02:03.00 | Olli0 | azswa: your welcome :) |
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| 02:03.08 | Olli0 | pbk239: you can change that just for displaying something else - the machine self will still have that hostname |
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| 02:03.47 | pbk239 | ya i did change it on mine |
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| 02:05.04 | Chrys0pras3 | Hi, possible reasons for a LUKS device not getting mounted at boot? After upgrading to the 3.12 kernel it's no longer prompting me for a password |
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| 02:05.58 | Olli0 | pbk239: for example minime@linuxbox on the console just means you are currently logged on as user minime on the machine with hostname linuxbox |
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| 02:06.37 | pbk239 | thanks |
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| 02:07.36 | Olli0 | it comes handy, if you're connecting to multiple servers to see directly on which server you are currently working |
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| 02:09.18 | pbk239 | the benefit is for servers/machines on a shared network |
| 02:09.19 | pbk239 | ya |
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| 02:10.22 | nonconvergent | Hey, anyone got a chromecast and get it working with Debian? |
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| 02:11.21 | nonconvergent | I got my girly one. Works fine on everything except my debian laptop. |
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| 02:32.25 | robin_sz | eyes the assembled masses |
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| 02:47.41 | Nik05 | good HisaoNakai |
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| 03:18.41 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 03:19.12 | ShapeShifter499 | anyone know how I enable a "power menu" when I hit my power button? |
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| 03:19.50 | ShapeShifter499 | right now when I hit the power button in debian wheezy 64bit gnome 3 my system just goes into standby mode |
| 03:20.40 | centrx | ACPI |
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| 03:22.24 | ShapeShifter499 | centrx, excuse me? |
| 03:24.03 | centrx | ShapeShifter499, I thought this behavior is controlled by software called ACPI, but I may be wrong |
| 03:25.34 | ShapeShifter499 | centrx, apt-get says that is already installed |
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| 03:29.08 | centrx | ShapeShifter499, https://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation |
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| 03:41.51 | ShapeShifter499 | centrx, ah ok but what if I want to choose whether or not to shutdown, hibernate, or suspend? |
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| 04:21.41 | Jef91 | I'm trying to run dpkg-buildpackage in a python source and it is throwing this back at me -> http://paste.debian.net/75701 any ideas? Works on my x86 system, but not my ARMHF system |
| 04:21.42 | Jef91 | http://paste.debian.net/75701 |
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| 04:30.14 | themill | Jef91: did you try building as root earlier and now building as a user? |
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| 04:50.53 | Jef91 | themill, that was the issue |
| 04:50.58 | Jef91 | Now I have a different one. |
| 04:51.05 | Jef91 | dpkg-buildpackage keeps trying to use python2.6 |
| 04:51.11 | Jef91 | even though I only have 2.7 installed on the system |
| 04:51.19 | Jef91 | is there a way I can force it to build using 2.7? |
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| 04:54.02 | themill | Jef91: do you have a debian/control that lists 2.6? or a debian/pyversions? Or is your packaging telling it to build for "all supported versions" of python? |
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| 04:55.59 | Jef91 | themill, I don't have a debian/pyversions |
| 04:56.02 | Jef91 | Should I? |
| 04:56.44 | Jef91 | my control file is fairly bare bones -> https://github.com/JeffHoogland/bodhibuildscripts/blob/master/controlfiles/python-efl/control |
| 04:57.19 | themill | Jef91: not necessarily -- "all supported versions" of python is generally the right thing for the packaging to support unless the module specifically doesn't support python 2.6. (btw #debian-python on irc.oftc.net might be a better place to ask) |
| 04:57.29 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm going to restate my question I posted earlier |
| 04:57.36 | ShapeShifter499 | anyone know how I enable a "power menu" when I hit my power button? |
| 04:57.41 | ShapeShifter499 | right now when I hit the power button in debian wheezy 64bit gnome 3 my system just goes into standby mode |
| 04:57.51 | Jef91 | themill, how do I force it to just build 2.7? There is an issue with 2.6 |
| 04:57.53 | Jef91 | that I need to avoid |
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| 04:58.36 | LoneStar99 | good evening folks |
| 04:58.42 | themill | Jef91: btw I doubt the build-depends on efl and elementary are right |
| 04:58.44 | NMJerry | Did u try my sggest shapeshift? |
| 04:59.14 | Jef91 | themill, might not be needed true, I'm leaving them as they don't hurt though |
| 04:59.24 | Jef91 | Any idea how I make it build for just python2.7? |
| 04:59.34 | themill | Jef91: well, unsatisfiable build-dependencies aren't a good start. https://wiki.debian.org/Python/Pybuild |
| 04:59.35 | LoneStar99 | how can I find out if mysql is running on my debian server? |
| 04:59.51 | ShapeShifter499 | NMJerry, I can't find any settings for this in dconf-editor and gnome-tweak-tool |
| 05:00.03 | ShapeShifter499 | unless I missed it |
| 05:00.23 | themill | Jef91: also https://wiki.debian.org/Python/LibraryStyleGuide |
| 05:01.05 | Jef91 | thanks for the links |
| 05:01.10 | Jef91 | guess I'll pour over these |
| 05:01.21 | Jef91 | there isn't just a single line I add somewhere to force only 2.7 build support? |
| 05:02.16 | NMJerry | You well on laptops you. Usially have a power manager app tty sn app like that lib ssy lpower control |
| 05:02.33 | NMJerry | Kppeerconytol |
| 05:02.50 | NMJerry | Kpowerconttol |
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| 05:04.30 | ShapeShifter499 | NMJerry, sorry before this would "just work" on my other computer |
| 05:06.29 | NMJerry | Of there is nothing in ur control panel id look fower a power magagement app to install |
| 05:07.05 | themill | Jef91: that depends no the rest of your packaging, but yes a single line in d/control as described in those pages is what you need |
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| 05:09.12 | Jef91 | thanks themill |
| 05:09.18 | Jef91 | I've beaten it into submission :) |
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| 05:14.00 | str3 | uh |
| 05:14.14 | str3 | so why does the weekly testing build come with sid installer? |
| 05:14.26 | str3 | its jessie, right? |
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| 05:18.06 | themill | those installer images are there to test the installer, not to install testing |
| 05:18.25 | str3 | k |
| 05:18.35 | ShapeShifter499 | I fixed it |
| 05:18.51 | ShapeShifter499 | NMJerry, according to a online guide and I quote "Once this is done, open dconf-editor from gnome, and navigate to Org-> Gnome-> Settings-daemon-> Plugins-> Power Change "button-power" to "interactive" and exit." |
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| 05:49.34 | internat | hi guys, im using wheezy, and trying to work out if something is meant to be starting up at boot or not. its got the nessessary headers as far as i can tell in the file in /etc/init.d/ but its not starting. is there a way to list the boot sequence? |
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| 05:50.26 | internat | update-rc.d says that im using dependency based booting, but im not so sure that i really am |
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| 05:59.24 | wols | internat: ls /etc/rc2.d/S* for most things |
| 05:59.52 | internat | that is what i thought, but i thought update-rc.d was designed to update that? |
| 06:00.26 | wols | it is |
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| 06:00.39 | wols | to update it, not to show what is there |
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| 06:00.49 | internat | well when i try to use update-rc.d it tells me that im on a dependency based boot system and wont change it |
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| 06:08.00 | dgriffi | has anyone here gotten a Thinkpad T420 to work with Bumblebee? |
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| 06:11.12 | joj | dgriffi: I run bumblebee, but the underlying hardware should have pretty much nothing to do with bumblebee ... ? |
| 06:11.28 | joj | dgriffi: that being said, I got a ThinkPad x121e |
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| 06:12.17 | dgriffi | joj: I don't know what the problem is... I got it working once, did a writeup on it, and now following the writeup won't work. |
| 06:12.59 | dgriffi | joj: could you take a look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian_on_a_ThinkPad_T420 and tell me if I screwed up? |
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| 06:18.56 | relipse | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:20.29 | joj | dgriffi: I'm sorry, no specific clue. But the Debian wiki linked there recommends #bumblebee here on Freenode, maybe this is where all the experts on this topic are? |
| 06:20.59 | dgriffi | joj: nobody's awake in there |
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| 06:21.40 | dgriffi | joj: see |
| 06:22.13 | petn-randall | dgriffi: Try later today when it's the wake hours for EU/USA, then you'll see a lot more people there. |
| 06:22.36 | joj | dgriffi: how unfavourable. but I'm taking my hat and am leaving if you don't mind ... and this ^^ |
| 06:23.05 | dgriffi | I have a hard time accepting that I got it working one and now I can't do it again. |
| 06:23.14 | dgriffi | s/one/once/ |
| 06:26.33 | josefig | someone can help me? I'm trying to connect via pptp vpn client to a pptpd I installed on wheezy, but I cannot connect http://pastie.org/8625548 |
| 06:27.53 | josefig | I want to access to the LAN |
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| 06:37.17 | firespeaker | is there any way to have start-stop-demon kill a subthread of the original thread it spawned? |
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| 06:52.14 | Se7enLC | Having a problem with init scripts. I have a script that I set to start with init level 2, but it doesn't start on boot. |
| 06:52.27 | Se7enLC | When I do "init 3" and then "init 2", however, it *does* start |
| 06:52.43 | Se7enLC | any ideas where to look? |
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| 06:54.00 | DeepBlue | what's flashwhat's flash player package name? |
| 06:54.32 | themill | flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 06:57.40 | DeepBlue | themill, what to run first after installing Debian wheezy? |
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| 07:00.14 | themill | linuxator: you'd need to add contrib (and may as well add non-free) to your sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 07:00.49 | linuxator | themill, ok,thanx a lot |
| 07:01.51 | gkubed | hey guys, just installed debian on my system and after GRUB I'm getting a "Input Not Supported" message on my monitor |
| 07:02.03 | gkubed | using HDMI out of a GTX760, any tips? |
| 07:04.02 | firespeaker | input? |
| 07:04.07 | firespeaker | there's *nothing* else? |
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| 07:07.24 | gkubed | just "Input not supported" floating around the screen |
| 07:07.48 | gkubed | tried again with DVI-VGA to my monitor, this time no signal |
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| 07:08.06 | gkubed | just a 23" Acer monitor |
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| 07:08.30 | gkubed | dunno how to give the 760 support outside of the linux box though |
| 07:08.38 | gkubed | the installation and GRUB show no problems |
| 07:09.17 | gkubed | and I know the 760 is functional because it works fine in W8 |
| 07:09.24 | firespeaker | oh |
| 07:09.41 | firespeaker | GRUB's trying to set it to a resolution not supported by your monitor |
| 07:10.15 | firespeaker | gkubed: rather, grub is telling your kernel to display at such a resolution |
| 07:10.20 | firespeaker | gkubed: what are your kernel args? |
| 07:10.22 | gkubed | that sounds right |
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| 07:12.19 | gkubed | just "ro quiet" |
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| 07:17.33 | gkubed | okay |
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| 07:17.40 | gkubed | got it to work in DVI-VGA on another monitor |
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| 07:21.53 | phy1729 | found it update-ca-certificates |
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| 07:24.19 | gkubed | Got both my 21" monitor over DVI-VGA through the 760 and the 23" monitor via HDMI from the 760 hooked up at the same time |
| 07:24.40 | gkubed | Debian identifies both, but for whatever reason the monitor won't accept any resolution and refresh rate combination :< |
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| 07:26.13 | Se7enLC | anyone know the mysteries of debian init.d scripts? I've got a real puzzler |
| 07:26.31 | firespeaker | Se7enLC: I've been working on that sort of issue myself :( |
| 07:27.06 | firespeaker | gkubed: most monitors don't accept just any resolution |
| 07:27.20 | themill | Se7enLC: can you pastebin this init script? Where does it appear in the init sequence (what number?) |
| 07:28.30 | Se7enLC | http://paste.debian.net/75718/ |
| 07:28.37 | Se7enLC | the script works when executed manually |
| 07:28.53 | Se7enLC | and it works when running "init 2" (after switching to another init level) |
| 07:29.02 | Se7enLC | but it doesn't run on boot |
| 07:29.25 | Se7enLC | this is using insserv, not update-rc, btw |
| 07:29.49 | themill | my guess is that there's a race condition there and during boot something isn't actually ready for it to start even though it is pretending to be ready |
| 07:29.55 | gkubed | firespeaker, I've given it resolutions it should be able to handle by default such as 1920x1080 60Hz |
| 07:30.04 | themill | (there are the sorts of reasons sysv-rc needs to go away) |
| 07:30.23 | Se7enLC | are there any logs? |
| 07:30.27 | Se7enLC | I can't find anything |
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| 07:30.46 | nkuttler | themill: there's something shiny new? |
| 07:30.58 | themill | puts nkuttler back under the rock |
| 07:31.14 | themill | Se7enLC: bootlogd will help record things for you; does this bot not log stuff on its own? |
| 07:31.44 | Se7enLC | it does, but it's not starting on boot |
| 07:31.47 | Se7enLC | so no logs |
| 07:32.11 | firespeaker | how does bootlogd do stuff with init scripts? |
| 07:32.22 | themill | My guess is that it is trying to start on boot but failing -- that would be the normal sort of problem here |
| 07:33.18 | Se7enLC | yeah, that's what I would have guessed, but the dependencies-based boot makes it tricky to tell it when to start |
| 07:33.32 | Se7enLC | I *think* I got bootlog enabled and I'm rebooting now |
| 07:33.50 | Se7enLC | I wish I'd never converted over from normal rc |
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| 07:34.57 | Se7enLC | I can't think of anything that this bot should depend on. If the IRC server isn't up yet, it should still run and just be unable to connect |
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| 07:38.05 | Se7enLC | insserv -s shows bootlogs as being active for all runlevels. And yet it's not logging anything. Wonderful |
| 07:38.26 | gkubed | friggin yes |
| 07:38.31 | gkubed | got it to work, thanks firespeaker |
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| 07:49.21 | Se7enLC | I hacked the init script to manually log when start/stop is attempted |
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| 08:04.13 | firespeaker | gkubed: great :) |
| 08:04.38 | firespeaker | (02:49:22) Se7enLC: I hacked the init script to manually log when start/stop is attempted |
| 08:04.38 | firespeaker | Se7enLC: what do you do to log from the init script? |
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| 08:05.47 | Se7enLC | Just that it attempted to start on boot - and it did |
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| 08:07.07 | Se7enLC | I just added $all to the Required-Start list. I'm hoping that will get it to work |
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| 08:07.38 | Se7enLC | unfortunately, you can't depend on a script that requires "all", so I need to find out what is really required if I want another layer |
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| 08:15.43 | Se7enLC | Yep, that got things working. |
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| 08:22.36 | wols | Se7enLC: what daemon is it? |
| 08:26.15 | Se7enLC | it's an eggdrop irc bot, I just had to write the init.d for it |
| 08:26.27 | Se7enLC | it's working now |
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| 08:32.51 | firespeaker | Se7enLC: how does it log? |
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| 08:34.31 | Se7enLC | it's working fine now |
| 08:34.36 | Se7enLC | what do you mean? |
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| 09:22.22 | devurandom | Hello! |
| 09:22.50 | klys | hil |
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| 09:23.10 | devurandom | I would like to create a custom live image which does not include (or at least not run) exim and cron. How do I do that? Do I use a chroot hook for that to disable to service? |
| 09:24.16 | wols | devurandom: http://live.debian.net/manual/stable/ and http://live-systems.org/build/ |
| 09:25.57 | devurandom | wols: Yeah, I am looking at the live manual, that's how I came up with the hook idea. I just wanted to ask whether that's the way or whether there is a better one. |
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| 09:43.17 | lawr | How do I get Debian onto a USB from Windows? |
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| 09:58.08 | shawnbon206 | i have been reading about swap files as opposed to swap partitions. is there some reason why people dont use these? i am doing an install on a system which only has 2 more available partitions and i want to make them / and /home and just make a swap file in root. |
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| 09:59.01 | wols | swap files are a bit slower |
| 09:59.28 | wols | shawnbon206: and you have many more partitions possible. you create an extended partition |
| 09:59.41 | shawnbon206 | gpt mbr hybrid |
| 09:59.50 | shawnbon206 | only 4 afaik |
| 09:59.57 | wols | why do you want a /home? |
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| 10:00.35 | shawnbon206 | it makes it easier to clone systems i heard, but i have never done ir |
| 10:00.37 | shawnbon206 | it |
| 10:01.47 | shawnbon206 | i do have a nas tho, i wouldnt mind using some of its storage for snapshots |
| 10:02.02 | wols | how much RAM do you have? |
| 10:02.31 | shawnbon206 | 4gb but i will be running openbox. this is an imac btw |
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| 10:10.29 | shawnbon206 | meh |
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| 10:12.09 | shawnbon206 | ok, i will do / and swap |
| 10:12.15 | shawnbon206 | thats the best idea |
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| 10:12.48 | nashant | Hi guys. What directory are the shell extension preferences kept in? |
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| 10:14.35 | ompaul | nashant: there is none, it doesn't work that way |
| 10:15.31 | shawnbon206 | does debian have gptsync utility in the installer? |
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| 10:16.53 | ompaul | stable and above can deal with gpt but utility ... no idea |
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| 10:20.16 | ompaul | nashant: I can write a script and call it foo foo.sh foo.l foo.worstnameever but it won't do anything, even if it's internal calls are right, so it will call a programming language / environment (there is a variation on this but you'll work that out) - to make it work I need to chmod the file to make it executable |
| 10:22.57 | ompaul | nashant: assuming that I used that naming convention then in the same directory as the script I can run it as ./foo ./foo.sh etc however, if you want to make it globally available to all users on the box sticking into /usr/local/bin is sufficent if you chmod it ... if not you can call the file with the right scripting executable ... e.g. if foo was a perl script you could on the cli type perl /path/to/foo if it was a bash script bash /other/path/foo |
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| 10:23.08 | ompaul | nashant: also note that they are case sensitive |
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| 10:26.01 | Quibus | hi |
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| 10:26.22 | nashant | ompaul: I'm trying to edit the Auto Move Window prefs to automatically place xchat on workspace 2, but it doesn't have xchat available in the list. Was gonna try and see if I could force it |
| 10:26.37 | Quibus | I installed a package X, which caused package Y to get uninstalled. But when trying to download package X, there was some failure. Still, package Y got uninstalled. Is that behaviour expected of aptitude? |
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| 10:27.26 | ompaul | nashant: no idea just know about the cli X specifics I've tried to keep away from |
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| 10:27.35 | akai | where can I download debian 7.3 with gnome-3 desktop manager ? |
| 10:27.49 | ompaul | !tell Quibus -about bat |
| 10:28.25 | ompaul | akai: on any mirror, check http://www.debian.org for downloads |
| 10:29.00 | akai | ompaul: I searched there but could not find it anywhere. Can you give me a link ? |
| 10:29.34 | ompaul | akai: under "getting debian" on that page |
| 10:29.42 | Quibus | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/75732/ is the full scenario |
| 10:30.00 | akai | http://www.debian.org/CD |
| 10:30.09 | akai | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 10:30.16 | akai | not there anywhere here |
| 10:30.24 | wols | akai: the normal CD1 is what you want |
| 10:30.48 | wols | akai: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.3.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.3.0-amd64-CD-1.iso |
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| 10:31.03 | ompaul | akai: on that page Download CD/DVD images using HTTP or FTP. |
| 10:31.37 | akai | wols: I tried that . It's only having xfce, lxde and kde as the desktop environment. I want gnome-3 |
| 10:31.41 | ompaul | Quibus: you'd need to talk to the virtualbox people about their site |
| 10:31.53 | ompaul | akai: it defaults to gnome |
| 10:31.56 | kikimeter | hi guys, where I can find /etc/rc.conf equivalent on debian ? |
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| 10:32.49 | wols | !tell kikimeter about sysvinit |
| 10:32.53 | kikimeter | Am I obliged to write a .sh script on /etc/init.d/ foldeR? |
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| 10:32.58 | akai | whats the difference between CD1 , CD2 and CD3 ? |
| 10:33.02 | wols | kikimeter: yes. or use rc.local |
| 10:33.10 | Quibus | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.29 | wols | akai: cd1 is the first cd, cd2 is the 2nd and so on. kinda obvious |
| 10:33.30 | ompaul | akai: you only need the first one if connected to the internet, more if not |
| 10:33.33 | kikimeter | k |
| 10:33.40 | kikimeter | thank you |
| 10:33.57 | wols | akai: debian repos just don't fit on a single CD |
| 10:34.09 | akai | ohh. got it. |
| 10:34.42 | ompaul | Quibus: you didn't do what the bot told you to do with bat, and moreover if you cat /etc/apt/sources.list and put them on display in paste.debian.net I'd be able to have a better look if you think this happens often I don't concur so lets see what is going on |
| 10:34.59 | akai | I had to format debian 7.2 as it crashed due to dependancy crash. Hope there wont be any such problem here. |
| 10:35.08 | akai | *dependancy clash |
| 10:35.42 | ompaul | akai: that's not how it works / fails but anyway now you have formatted do a clean install and don't be installing from repos that are not debians |
| 10:35.50 | Quibus | ompaul: is it clear to you that I am not asking about why the download failed? |
| 10:36.46 | ompaul | Quibus: not until now. However I'm still asking for your sources.list |
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| 10:37.02 | ompaul | Quibus: I have my reasons. |
| 10:37.07 | Quibus | ompaul: why is sources.list relevant? I mean, I can paste it, but what does it matter? |
| 10:37.11 | Quibus | Alright then |
| 10:37.13 | ompaul | it might do |
| 10:37.23 | ompaul | let us rule it in / out |
| 10:37.47 | Quibus | http://paste.debian.net/75735/ is my full sources.list |
| 10:38.05 | Quibus | yes, it's pointing to testing |
| 10:38.16 | akai | ompaul: I did install from debain repos itself. I have installed wine, qemu and 32 bit libs for wine ( on my 64 bit machine ) using aptitude. aptitude offered me a solution to the dependancy problem which prevented these from getting installed and I blindly accepted it (my bad) . The bad part was that the solution contained removal of gdm3. Now I am not able to install any dispay manager on my machine' |
| 10:38.19 | Quibus | But the whole problem/issue/question is not related to testing, stable or whatever |
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| 10:45.13 | ompaul | Quibus: actually I'd argue the following: the problems with that list are many, you should only point at one mirror, because mirrors can and do go out of sync, in particular if you are using testing, changes happen every 6 hours and are not simultaneous, so an apt-get update now might mean you are out of kilter between secondary and primary. The use of Security with testing is absolutely not required. There is no security repo. This raises another |
| 10:45.15 | ompaul | issue: If the function of using testing is to get jessie repos, then security is valid but only after the release. If you are using apt pinning to get packages from experimental / unstable wrt your testing box you may find that partial upgrades of one package impact your installed system. IF you want to run testing, run testing, if you want to run sid (unstable) run it. If you mix things up you get what you got, and frankly I'm surprised you haven't |
| 10:45.16 | ompaul | been bitten harder more often. I'll have the bot tell you something in a mo in a pm. |
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| 10:46.17 | Quibus | I fail to see what all of this has to do with the scenario I pasted |
| 10:46.31 | jimcooncat | I've been looking for a replacement to Quickbooks, it looks like GnuCash has grown up? Anyone here try it lately? |
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| 10:46.57 | Quibus | I run purely testing and in very rare cases I use a -t unstable to get a package early. |
| 10:47.28 | ompaul | Quibus: that their repo is not working that's their issue. |
| 10:47.34 | Quibus | indeed |
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| 10:47.44 | Quibus | taht wasn't the point of my question, as I already tried to explain 3 times |
| 10:48.11 | Quibus | My point is: why is aptitude continuing to remove a package which conflicts with a new package, although that new package failed to downlaod (for whatever reason)? |
| 10:48.31 | ompaul | if you want to file a bug against the fact please do so |
| 10:48.33 | nashant | Are there any decent alternatives to nautilus? I want to see more than 4 thumbnails on my screen if I choose to zoom in more |
| 10:48.47 | Quibus | alright |
| 10:49.26 | ompaul | Quibus: I think you better pick a better package. |
| 10:49.38 | ompaul | i.e. a debian one that does that |
| 10:49.56 | Quibus | ompaul: I wouldn't know how to find one |
| 10:50.05 | ompaul | when it happens to a debian one |
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| 10:51.16 | Quibus | geez, there are 747 bugs on aptitude... |
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| 10:52.02 | Quibus | ompaul: aptitude is the package to file the bug against, right? |
| 10:52.04 | ompaul | I use apt-get only |
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| 10:52.25 | ompaul | it would appear so as it tries to resolve this issue for you |
| 10:52.30 | Quibus | I use aptitude because several years ago people said it was the thing that was going to replace apt-get |
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| 10:55.03 | ompaul | I don't run stable or testing, I only run apt-get and apt-get dist-upg |
| 10:55.08 | ompaul | rade |
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| 10:55.21 | ompaul | external stuff I leave behind |
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| 10:57.48 | ompaul | !why aptitude |
| 10:57.48 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 10:57.54 | ompaul | !why apt-get |
| 10:58.01 | ompaul | !why apt |
| 10:58.33 | ompaul | if there are resolutions and it is testing I'd rather not have them |
| 10:58.48 | nkuttler | !why not aptitude |
| 10:58.48 | dpkg | Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 10:58.58 | ompaul | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 10:59.47 | nashant | Anyone? Nautilus alternative? |
| 10:59.54 | nkuttler | nashant: thunar |
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| 11:01.33 | nwe | ls |
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| 11:01.45 | nashant | nkuttler: I was hoping for one that was gnome based, rather than xfce based |
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| 11:02.51 | ompaul | nashant: gnome has one nautilus alternative it is called nautilus :-/ |
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| 11:04.50 | nkuttler | can you even run gnome without nautilus nowadays? |
| 11:05.07 | nashant | Terrible. I've tried the compact view, but that just does a list view without details |
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| 11:06.07 | nashant | Well Cinnamon uses Nemo, which is MUCH better. It needs libc6>=2.15 though |
| 11:06.16 | nashant | And I don't want to go to testing |
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| 11:55.52 | moto9 | hi all, i'm trying to run a debian-live-7.2-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso that i dd'd to a usb stick, but two computers i'm trying it on fall back to builtin hard disk boot after a second, what could be wrong? is my usb stick broken? |
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| 11:58.32 | lawr_ | sound doesn't work on Debian wheezy for me |
| 11:58.42 | lawr_ | I've tried pulseaudio and alsa |
| 11:58.45 | wols | !tell lawr_ about alsa checklist |
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| 11:58.58 | wols | lawr_: and make sure you use the right soundcard. hdmi videocards often have their own |
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| 11:59.44 | shawnbon206 | i partitioned with gfdisk everything seems to be good so far |
| 11:59.52 | shawnbon206 | just gotta reboot so the kernel sees the new /dev/sda4 so i can format it |
| 12:00.00 | shawnbon206 | i am hoping the debian installer wont touch my pristine hybrid mbr |
| 12:00.07 | shawnbon206 | all i want it to do is mount it |
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| 12:00.51 | lawr_ | wols: done it all no success |
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| 12:03.15 | lawr_ | wols: okay fixed |
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| 12:06.44 | contrapunctus | Recent Debian stable install - randomly, with no seeming trigger, all programs die/get killed/vanish and the WM re-loads...wat :s |
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| 12:07.23 | wedge | contrapunctus: sounds like HW issues |
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| 12:07.36 | wedge | run memtest on your hardware |
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| 12:07.55 | contrapunctus | wedge: Thanks, on it :) |
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| 12:24.59 | MrFrood | wedge: I have been having similar issues to contrapunctus on HW that ran fine with Squeeze - it does tend to be when under high graphic loads eg when running something that uses OpenGL |
| 12:25.32 | MrFrood | so maybe not so much a HW issue (which I had assumed it was) |
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| 13:13.41 | contrapunctus | wedge: When I run memtest from the Debian liveUSB, the screen starts repeating the same stuff - "(==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" "Backtrace:" "0: Xorg (xorg_backtrace+0x49) [0xb<alphabets and numbers that change every time>]" "1: Xorg (0xb<same>+0x15f6b6) [0xb<more>] |
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| 13:14.39 | wols | memtest runs on its own, not from any X or similar. there is no OS or GUI when memtest runs |
| 13:14.46 | contrapunctus | wedge: Something similar, if not the same, happens when I tried running in the default (non-failsafe) mode. I can try and write out the rest of the error if you say it's any help. |
| 13:14.48 | wols | contrapunctus: do you have a debian installation on your harddisk? |
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| 13:15.18 | contrapunctus | wols: That's what I read, so this kinda surprises me now that you mention it. And yeah, I do. |
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| 13:15.57 | wols | contrapunctus: install memtest there. it will show up as an additional entry in your grub menu. run it from there |
| 13:17.12 | contrapunctus | wols: Oh lol, fail. It's there in the grub menu *facepalm* |
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| 13:27.14 | f-a | hello. I just ran 'free -h' on this machine http://www.genesi-tech.com/support/smartbook/faq (which supposedly has 512). So why do I get a 'total' of only 455Mb? |
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| 13:29.04 | rozie | f-a: it may be reserved for graphic card |
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| 13:30.02 | f-a | thanks rozie. Is there any easy way to check "mem total" ? |
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| 13:31.16 | rozie | like installed memory? dmidecode on normal PC gives information about memory chips |
| 13:31.20 | wols | f-a: maybe dmesg output gives more info. not exactly easier |
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| 13:32.30 | contrapunctus | wols: Huh. It shut off by itself at about 80% or higher, and gave a thermal shutdown screen when I turned it back on...these happened a few times when it was running Wintendo, too... |
| 13:32.36 | jb1 | Anyone here that knows how to get fglrx-legacy to work in jessie? |
| 13:33.07 | wols | contrapunctus: what hardware is it? normally, memtest shouldn't use cpu or gpu much if at all |
| 13:33.21 | wols | !tell jb1 about errors |
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| 13:33.39 | wols | jb1: could be that fglrx legacy doesn't like a newer X version |
| 13:34.05 | jb1 | hmm. Ok, that's a shame |
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| 13:34.57 | jb1 | so either, downgrade to wheezy or buy a new graphics-card |
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| 13:37.20 | wols | jb1: why can't you use radeon? |
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| 13:37.31 | wols | and you haven't shown the error yet as dpkt told you to |
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| 13:41.14 | forcer | I assume the "error" is that there is no fglrx-legacy-driver package (and related) in jessie. radeon works, but is suboptimal - e.g. for me, the fan is much louder, even with tweaks, and 3D acceleration is slower. But well, it works. |
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| 13:41.55 | jb1 | forcer: correct, and also X won't start |
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| 13:42.38 | forcer | jb1: Use the radeon driver as wols suggested (package xserver-xorg-video-radeon). That will (most likely) make X start. |
| 13:42.44 | contrapunctus | wols: paste.debian.net/75758 |
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| 13:43.34 | wols | contrapunctus: how hot does it get under linux? |
| 13:44.00 | jb1 | forcer: same problem as you. 3D acceleration has been quite slow |
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| 13:44.50 | forcer | jb1: Yeah. :-( |
| 13:45.42 | forcer | I'm in the lucky situation that I do not, currently, need 3D acceleration much at all. Likely going to buy a new graphics card, maybe even a new computer altogether, sometime this year. |
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| 13:45.52 | wols | jb1: with a newer kernel, the fan/heat should be better |
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| 13:46.08 | wols | newer kernel than jessie that i |
| 13:46.09 | wols | s |
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| 13:46.40 | contrapunctus | wols: Somewhat warm. Warmer than my quad core Ci5 running UbuntuStudio... |
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| 13:47.13 | forcer | 3.12.6 with echo dynpm > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_method, still louder than with fglrx-legacy. But again, survivable. |
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| 13:51.10 | contrapunctus | wols: Hardware issue, ye reckon? o.o |
| 13:51.15 | jb1 | is nvidia "better" at supporting linux then amd? (I.e which one should I go with when I upgrade) |
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| 13:53.34 | forcer | Last time I checked, they were basically "differently bad". The two of them seem to change regularly as to which one's slightly better at any given time. |
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| 14:02.53 | fritz` | Is there anyone known that why the iceweasel programe is aways quit itself when using? |
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| 14:06.05 | jelly-home | jb1: their closed source offering used to be more stable than ati's, previously |
| 14:06.28 | danboid | Has xorg 1.15 made it into Jessie or sid yet? |
| 14:07.08 | jelly-home | danboid: /msg judd versions xserver-xorg-core |
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| 14:07.54 | contrapunctus | MrFrood: I'm not using any OpenGL, not that I'm aware of anyway...how may I identify the cause here? o.o |
| 14:07.55 | danboid | jelly-home: I don't understand how the Debian xorg package versions rekate to what xorg name them - thats why I ask! |
| 14:08.56 | shawnbon206 | i need help making a hybrid mbr |
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| 14:09.23 | shawnbon206 | i need to use gdisk but i am confused by some of the questions it asks me |
| 14:09.59 | shawnbon206 | http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/hybrid.html |
| 14:10.08 | danboid | xorg sees to be at version '7.7+5' under Jessie - that doesn't seem to relate at all to xorg being at v 1.15 |
| 14:10.18 | shawnbon206 | You specify the partitions you want to hybridize by listing their numbers, separated by spaces. In this example, I've hybridized partitions 1 and 3 (the HFS and FAT partitions). They'll become MBR partitions 1 and 2 or 2 and 3, depending on the answer to the next question. |
| 14:11.30 | danboid | Can anyone explan the xorg / Debian versioning disparity? |
| 14:11.33 | jelly-home | danboid: did you ask judd about that particular package? |
| 14:12.25 | danboid | jelly-home: Nope - I presumed Judd woud be a bot that would just report the version numbers I see on packages.debian.org |
| 14:12.37 | jelly-home | danboid: why not? |
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| 14:13.12 | danboid | jelly-home: If Judd isn't a bot, and he's present I'd expect he'd respond |
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| 14:13.31 | danboid | jelly-home: I'll try it then |
| 14:13.38 | jelly-home | sighs |
| 14:13.51 | jelly-home | it's a bot. danboid: well, look at versions of xserver-xorg-core on the web, then |
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| 14:14.28 | danboid | jelly-home: I said "xorg sees to be at version '7.7+5' under Jessie - that doesn't seem to relate at all to xorg being at v 1.15" ... "Can anyone explan the xorg / Debian versioning disparity?" |
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| 14:14.53 | jelly-home | danboid: PLEASE. LOOK. AT. VERSIONS. OF. xserver-xorg-core |
| 14:15.20 | jelly-home | not "xorg". Not "xserver-xorg", either |
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| 14:15.28 | danboid | jelly-home: Just a question! Not an attack. Please chill out!! |
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| 14:15.50 | jelly-home | I'll chill when you start listening |
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| 14:16.14 | jelly-home | or should I go "please do this, and you'll have an answer" |
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| 14:17.34 | danboid | jelly-home: OK, it seems 1.15 is in experimental. I still don't understand why packages.debian.org uses a different versioning scheme for xorg |
| 14:17.40 | jelly-home | it does not |
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| 14:18.06 | nashant | Can anyone tell me why the desktops panel is always expanded? |
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| 14:19.04 | jelly-home | danboid: xorg components are packaged in lots of different packages, roughly corresponding to the sources |
| 14:19.25 | danboid | nashant: There are several desktops - which one? |
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| 14:19.46 | jelly-home | danboid: the "xorg" package is an umbrella component, what debian calls a metapackage |
| 14:20.03 | jelly-home | danboid: 1.15 is version of X.org's X server component |
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| 14:20.14 | nashant | danboid: the panel in the overview that shows all the desktops |
| 14:20.24 | HisaoNakai | I'll repeat my issue - newly installed Debian Stable - sometimes all programs terminate by themselves and the DM restarts, and sometimes the X server seems to die and everything hangs. Please help. |
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| 14:21.32 | danboid | nashant: You've not told us which desktop you are running |
| 14:21.44 | nashant | danboid: ah, sorry. gnome |
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| 14:22.39 | absdf342 | Hi, I have following problem - two computers are connected to a router with IPs 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2 , but I can't ping .2 from .1 ... dmesg http://paste.debian.net/75754/ , ip a http://paste.debian.net/75755/ , ip r http://paste.debian.net/75756/ |
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| 14:34.22 | hke | hi folks, i'm on debian wheezy, kde 4.8.4. i have hotkeys defined to switch between desktops but they stop working when i use an external monitor. |
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| 15:06.27 | adilix | hi all |
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| 15:07.35 | adilix | wich cd do i need to install the debian system, i mean is the CD 1 enough or should i download all CDs |
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| 15:08.07 | zinx | adilix: the netinstall CD, unless you're installing on a machine with bad/no internet access. |
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| 15:08.19 | dvs | adilix: use the netinst cd |
| 15:08.22 | zinx | adilix: (and are downloading from a machine with good internet) |
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| 15:08.34 | zinx | adilix: if both of those aren't true, netinst :) |
| 15:09.03 | adilix | i was thinking of the netinstall, but where is a good guide for the netinstall |
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| 15:09.32 | ExeciN | I have LibreOffice and Calligra suite installed. When I open .doc files in Thunar, they open with Calligra Words. How can I have them open with LibreOffice Writer? I am on Debian 7.3 amd64 with XFCE if that matters. |
| 15:09.32 | zinx | adilix: it's not really any different from the CD/DVD installer w/ more packages on it |
| 15:09.49 | zinx | adilix: just a smaller download, both initially and in the long term |
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| 15:10.18 | piotr | hi there, i have a question- when i try do install mplayer on my machine, apt is prompting for installation dvd that i dont have by me (in order to install some dependencies). Q: is it possible to proceed with instalation without that DVD? |
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| 15:10.45 | ompaul | piotr: vi /etc/apt/sources.list and put a # in front of the CD lines |
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| 15:11.19 | ExeciN | piotr: I think it should use the apt repositories if the DVD is not found |
| 15:11.34 | adilix | ok i will try the netinstall |
| 15:11.48 | zinx | ExeciN: use xdg-mime default |
| 15:12.40 | zinx | i'm a little surprised there's no GUI for that |
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| 15:13.03 | a001n | hi |
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| 15:13.16 | piotr | ompaul: thanks (stupid me, that didn't think about that, anyway may go back to trying to unbrick my N9) Thanks:) |
| 15:13.29 | ExeciN | zinx: well there is the thunar file picker but this is not exactly the best experience |
| 15:13.38 | a001n | any one here know how i can open trough terminal a man page with leafpad? |
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| 15:14.16 | hke | a001n: write a script, pipe the manpage in a tempfile and open the tempfile in leafpad |
| 15:14.59 | a001n | sorry i dont understand |
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| 15:16.29 | a001n | do i need to dump a manpage? |
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| 15:16.51 | hke | a001n: yup, leafpad doesnt take pipe input directly |
| 15:17.21 | a001n | a right thx going to findout how to do that :) |
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| 15:17.49 | hke | a001n: google mktemp |
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| 15:18.26 | a001n | ok thx :) |
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| 15:21.18 | linuxator | how to connect 2o OFTC network? |
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| 15:22.51 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:26.01 | linuxator | ompaul: ok,thanx a lot |
| 15:28.54 | magnetophon | Hi, My left mouse button stops working after a while, both trackpad and usb-mouse. It seems stuck on mouse-down. Moving to another tty or restarting X fixes it for a while. Here is my log: http://pastebin.com/0fg0xj8m How can I further troubleshoot this? |
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| 15:35.07 | trinode | hey, how difficult would it be to compile the _very_ latest intel xorg driver? (or is there an apt source for it?) |
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| 15:36.05 | dvs | ,version xorg-video-intel |
| 15:36.06 | judd | No package named 'xorg-video-intel' was found in i386. |
| 15:36.43 | dvs | ,version xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 15:36.44 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; jessie: 2:2.21.15-1+b2; sid: 2:2.21.15-1+b2 |
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| 15:38.05 | trinode | I'm suffering a major annoying flickering, I think it may be in the 2.99 versions that it's fixed |
| 15:38.43 | aktau | Hey guys, I've just installed denyhosts with the default config onto my vagrant VM. and it keeps banning the user I log in with (vagrant, with keyfile) |
| 15:38.48 | aktau | Is that... normal? |
| 15:39.01 | aktau | I thought it would only ban unsuccesful logins |
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| 15:39.58 | ompaul | aktau: that would be correct behaviour, you might want to use fail2ban :) |
| 15:40.24 | aktau | ompaul: I'm planning on also using fail2ban |
| 15:40.42 | aktau | I'd like to secure my vagrant, so that when I deploy to a real server, I won't get rooted ina new york minute |
| 15:40.42 | ompaul | aktau: you'll never get in at all then :) deny is about stopping |
| 15:41.00 | aktau | Then what is denyhosts good for? |
| 15:41.03 | ompaul | aktau: I think you are not looking at it right |
| 15:41.23 | aktau | In the config file it surely has items for banning after X attempts and suchlike |
| 15:41.46 | aktau | I admit I'm probably not looking at it right, so it would be cool if somebody could tell me what denyhosts is used for? |
| 15:41.57 | ompaul | that is fail2ban you are talking about this is what you want to read http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/tcp-wrappers-hosts-allow-deny-tutorial/ |
| 15:42.01 | aktau | (note that I have a dynamic IP at one of the places I usually work from...) |
| 15:42.07 | shawnbon206 | yay |
| 15:42.18 | shawnbon206 | i did it |
| 15:42.20 | ompaul | aktau: and there I'll leave it |
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| 15:43.49 | ompaul | aktau: actually no, I'll give you three more pieces of information, security is not trivial, if you are operating internet facing services much more important to make sure you carry out good practice for each of them wrt security, also you might consider preventing root from direct log ons |
| 15:44.23 | aktau | ompaul: well, I will be operating services, which is why I have an interest in this |
| 15:44.31 | aktau | ompaul: I also have no intention of allowing ssh root login |
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| 15:44.56 | aktau | ompaul: I was just surprised it automatically blocked the vagrant (non-root) user, every with a correct login |
| 15:45.06 | aktau | s/every/even/ |
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| 15:46.34 | aktau | ompaul: I also am painfully aware that it's not trivial, but some is always better than nothing. You don't necessarily have to outrun the dragon, just the person running next to you |
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| 15:55.27 | nkuttler | ,v python2.5 |
| 15:55.28 | judd | Package: python2.5 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.5.5-11 |
| 15:56.09 | ompaul | aktau: depends on who is next to you if it is worth it |
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| 16:02.00 | aktau | ompaul: in the big internet script kiddy rat race |
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| 16:02.51 | jelly-home | absdf342: so... your router is at 10.0.0.138? Could there be a second machine on the same segment configured with 10.0.0.1/24 address? |
| 16:03.55 | jelly-home | absdf342: your dmesg has unusual errors and does not seem to come from a system with a Debian kernel |
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| 16:05.15 | jelly-home | looks more like a vendor-specific, android kernel |
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| 16:07.21 | absdf342 | jelly-home: it was an effort to install Debian on MK802IV |
| 16:08.12 | ompaul | aktau: then you just take care - cos basically you get chosen as a target at random, if they want in you will be letting them in, but don't be silly, minimal services over a minimal zone |
| 16:08.45 | ompaul | aktau: patch asap, and subscribe to the security mailing lists |
| 16:08.56 | absdf342 | jelly-home: yes my router is at 10.0.0.138 |
| 16:10.21 | absdf342 | jelly-home: it does'n look like there is another machine with 10.0.0.1 |
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| 16:31.46 | adilix | i need the nvidia 96xx driver how do i install it |
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| 16:35.07 | adilix | how do i login as root, please help |
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| 16:35.29 | adilix | it says authentication failure but the password is correct |
| 16:35.44 | nkuttler | !i forgot root's password |
| 16:35.44 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 16:36.04 | nkuttler | adilix: or, you know, just type it correctly |
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| 16:37.19 | adilix | i type it correctly |
| 16:38.21 | Aku506 | How do I add hotkey to menu-button. I think I've to remove original functionality first but I can't remember how. If I just add it to hotkeys it won't work |
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| 16:40.32 | adilix | is it enabled to login as root by default? |
| 16:40.42 | Aku506 | Nope |
| 16:41.03 | Aku506 | (you didn't ask it me) |
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| 16:41.41 | adilix | how do i enable it to login as root, its not possible to type the password wrong, because i use the same for root and the first user, as the user i can login but not as root |
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| 16:43.55 | aagh | is there a page I should read about installing GRUB for UEFI? |
| 16:44.11 | atari314 | Hello, is there an archive for the old versions of the current stable packages? |
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| 16:44.37 | abrotman | atari314: such as what? |
| 16:45.04 | atari314 | abrotman, like the version before 31.0.1650.63 of the chromium package |
| 16:45.45 | abrotman | atari314: eh, should we ask why? |
| 16:46.15 | atari314 | abrotman, the 31.0.1650.63 has a bug that when you launch chromium with the --incognito flag it just don't load the extentions |
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| 16:46.38 | abrotman | judd: versions chromium-browser |
| 16:46.39 | judd | Package: chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; wheezy: 31.0.1650.63-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 31.0.1650.63-1~deb7u1 |
| 16:47.09 | abrotman | atari314: you can check snapshot.debian.org, but it seems the version you have resolves some security issues |
| 16:47.37 | atari314 | abrotman, I checked the snapshot but the versions there are super old :/ |
| 16:47.43 | adilix | so people anyone can help me to activate the root login |
| 16:48.33 | abrotman | adilix: weren't you already told how ? |
| 16:48.50 | abrotman | atari314: you can grab the old CDs perhaps .. grab it from there |
| 16:49.08 | atari314 | abrotman, I'll do that, tyvm for the help :) |
| 16:49.19 | abrotman | atari314: what package did you search at snapshot ? |
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| 16:49.30 | atari314 | chromium-browser |
| 16:49.35 | adilix | abrotman no |
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| 16:49.50 | abrotman | atari314: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/chromium-browser/ |
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| 16:50.33 | atari314 | abrotman, perfect, version 30. :D |
| 16:50.37 | atari314 | abrotman, tyvm man! |
| 16:50.49 | abrotman | atari314: the website isn't that hard to use :) |
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| 16:51.17 | atari314 | abrotman, I just realised I may have searched with chromium (which now is the browser, but used to be a game, or something) |
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| 16:52.40 | atari314 | abrotman, well, tyvm, that solves it, have a great sunday! |
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| 16:53.42 | linuxator | how to change the default keyring password? |
| 16:54.51 | wsky | any steam users here? |
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| 16:55.46 | abrotman | wsky: #steamlug |
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| 16:56.47 | petn-randall | wsky: No surveys please. If you have a support question, feel free to ask. Note that steam is non-free though, so Debian isn't able to fix any bugs in the software. |
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| 16:57.23 | wsky | abrotman: petn-randall i've asked that here by accident, i've meant to type it in another channel |
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| 17:00.29 | Eduard_Munteanu | Does Jessie come with both sysvinit and systemd installed? It seems to have both after a debootstrap. :/ |
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| 17:02.36 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: is there a problem with this? |
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| 17:03.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: no, not really, just wondering... I sort of wanted systemd anyway. |
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| 17:03.28 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: are you running Gnome? |
| 17:04.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: nah, this is a debootstrapped Jessie container (as in LXC) |
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| 17:04.19 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: aptitude why systemd |
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| 17:05.11 | petern_ | gonna be fun having upstart and systemd mixed ;p |
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| 17:07.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: i sysvinit PreDepends sysvinit-core | upstart | systemd-sysv p systemd-sysv Depends systemd (= 204-6) |
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| 17:07.52 | vipconsult | how do you restart networking in debian ? |
| 17:07.55 | abrotman | so you could satisfy it with something else if you wanted |
| 17:07.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | I guess Jessie now uses systemd to start init? |
| 17:08.03 | nkuttler | vipconsult: /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 17:08.04 | abrotman | vipconsult: ifdown <dev>;ifup <dev> |
| 17:08.08 | petn-randall | wsky: ok, no problem :) |
| 17:08.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: nah, it's fine, I'll probably install a full systemd anyway, thanks... |
| 17:08.19 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: if it does, I haven't noticed any change |
| 17:08.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: well, I certainly have an /etc/systemd and also no /dev/initctl |
| 17:09.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | Instead I have a /run/initctl and there's a systemd service to provide the compatibility link in /dev. |
| 17:09.23 | abrotman | well then ..transition success! :) |
| 17:09.38 | vipconsult | abrotman : thanks , nkuttler' solution doesn;t bring the dev up |
| 17:09.45 | vipconsult | it seems depriciated |
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| 17:09.57 | abrotman | it sort of is |
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| 17:10.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | There was a service networking restart INTERFACES=eth0 at some point, to manipulate a single interface, IIRC. |
| 17:10.56 | Evidlo | Is it possible this error in pulseaudio in preventing me from logging in? "Denied access to client with invalid authorization data." |
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| 17:15.40 | linuxator | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.16 | abrotman | which keyring? |
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| 17:18.34 | linuxator | i changed my login password and i get prompted for your "default keyring" password |
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| 17:19.02 | petern_ | change your default keyring password to match, or something like that |
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| 17:19.09 | petern_ | oh... how to. hmm.. |
| 17:19.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | I was about to point that out :) |
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| 17:19.22 | linuxator | right |
| 17:19.41 | abrotman | linuxator: so go into the keyring application and change the password |
| 17:20.24 | linuxator | where is it found? |
| 17:20.36 | abrotman | linuxator: you haven't told us which applicatin it is yet .. |
| 17:20.54 | linuxator | login password |
| 17:20.58 | petn-randall | I assume it's the default gnome keyring? |
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| 17:21.09 | abrotman | linuxator: no .. try again |
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| 17:21.17 | donvito | ftp> send oscam.conf |
| 17:21.18 | donvito | local: oscam.conf remote: oscam.conf |
| 17:21.18 | donvito | 200 PORT command successful |
| 17:21.18 | donvito | 550 oscam.conf: Permission denied |
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| 17:21.37 | donvito | sorry |
| 17:21.48 | donvito | why i cannot send file via ftp ? it says permission denied |
| 17:21.49 | petn-randall | donvito: Read the topic. |
| 17:21.51 | abrotman | donvito: use paste.debian.net, don't flood the channel |
| 17:21.57 | donvito | yes sorry |
| 17:22.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | I thought they confused the IRC client for the terminal. |
| 17:22.34 | phogg | donvito: have you checked your permissions on that file? |
| 17:22.39 | vipconsult | I have set the dns in /etc/resolv.conf , but if I ping google.com it still doesn;t resolve. I don;t have any network managers installed and have restarted the if after I did the changes |
| 17:22.49 | vipconsult | s there any other service I need to restart ? |
| 17:23.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | vipconsult: can you ping the DNS server? |
| 17:23.11 | phogg | vipconsult: no, but also check your nsswitch.conf. Are you sure the resolv.conf is correct? |
| 17:23.14 | abrotman | ping is a horrible test |
| 17:23.16 | donvito | phogg i added 0777 with chmod |
| 17:23.23 | phogg | a better test is dig, or host |
| 17:23.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | agrees |
| 17:23.32 | vipconsult | yes I can ping the dns |
| 17:23.46 | abrotman | vipconsult: dig www.google.com @8.8.8.8 .. does that work ? |
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| 17:24.40 | vipconsult | abrotman : no it timesout |
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| 17:25.04 | abrotman | vipconsult: try one of your ISPs DNS servers |
| 17:25.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | vipconsult: check your packet filter settings |
| 17:25.20 | phogg | donvito: don't /msg without asking, very rude. Free help is in channel only. |
| 17:25.30 | donvito | -rwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 1136 Jan 11 11:32 oscam.conf |
| 17:25.33 | donvito | this are the permision |
| 17:25.38 | donvito | sorry phogg |
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| 17:26.39 | phogg | donvito: Does the remote location have a file of the same name in the target directory? If so, what permissions do you have to it? What permissions do you have on the remote directory? |
| 17:26.59 | petn-randall | donvito: The topic also says /msg bots NOT people. We put it there for a reason ... :) |
| 17:27.18 | abrotman | it also says not to flood .. |
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| 17:28.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | donvito could be very new to IRC, surely he'll learn. |
| 17:28.42 | donvito | yeah sorry |
| 17:28.43 | donvito | :( |
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| 17:29.39 | oogke | Hi people. Studying Java, I saw that this language uses UTF16 for characters. So I expected to see just 2 digits codes like \u00 and not \u0000. Why is it like this? Just because of UTF16 being bit-width variable? When I see \u0000, I think I'm using 32 bit and not 16. Am i wrong about this thinking? Thanks |
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| 17:30.08 | petn-randall | Merely pointing the topic out, no offense taken. |
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| 17:30.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | oogke: isn't 00 a hex *byte*? |
| 17:30.54 | oogke | Sorry me, the unicode channel doesn't seem supporting :( |
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| 17:31.33 | oogke | Eduard_Munteanu, maybe I read it wrong. I expect every digit to be 8bit = 1byte long... so \u00 is already 16bit. Wrong thinking? |
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| 17:31.55 | petern_ | \u00 or \u0000 is a hexadecimal representation of the unicode value |
| 17:31.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | oogke: it can't unless you use base 256 numbers :) |
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| 17:32.10 | petern_ | it is not the utf8 or utf16 encoding of that value |
| 17:32.41 | petern_ | \u0000 is 4 hexadecimal digits, i.e. 2 bytes. |
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| 17:33.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | oogke: each hex digit gives you 4 bits (2^4 = 16) |
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| 17:33.19 | joj | oogke: how do you dump the binary data? because https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12946388/utf-8-and-utf-16-in-java |
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| 17:38.51 | oogke | thanks people petern_ , Eduard_Munteanu , joj . I didn't know about the "every hex digit is 4bits wide"... i have to make this info mine in my mind xD |
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| 17:39.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | oogke: you don't really have to remember it. |
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| 17:39.36 | oogke | I have to understand it |
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| 17:40.03 | mason-- | I need to change the look of the menu bars and fix things ending up like this: http://i.imgur.com/69RCCZr.png . What would those settings be called so I can search how to do so? |
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| 17:40.31 | Evidlo | I'm having trouble logging in. In my lightdm log, it shows a successful login, but then X just quits and lightdm comes back up. This happens for all my wm's. |
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| 17:41.24 | rudi_s | oogke: This single-hex char (4 bit) is called a nibble. |
| 17:41.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | oogke: yes... think about it: each hex digit is 0-F, or 0-15. And 1111 in binary is exactly 15. |
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| 17:42.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | You can derive any such rules if you know some formal facts about bases. |
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| 17:43.22 | oogke | I think I made confusion about counting digits after \u... I thought the number of digits was related to the number of bits actually used in the implementation. |
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| 17:46.47 | oogke | Now that I know that every digit is 4 bit, of course 4*4 = 16 bits are being used xD Thanks Eduard_Munteanu , rudi_s |
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| 17:50.50 | oogke | I actually understood why every digit is using 4 bits instead of 8. To represent a hex digit, just 4 bits are necessary and enough. so Every digit I see in \u0000 is just using 4 bits. Thanks people. |
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| 17:51.53 | vipconsult | Eduard_Munteanu : just checked and all iptables chains are set to accept |
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| 17:52.44 | Eduard_Munteanu | vipconsult: the policy, and they're empty? |
| 17:52.59 | vipconsult | yes |
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| 17:53.06 | vipconsult | all empty and default set to accept |
| 17:53.22 | tokomer | I have an asus xonar dg soundcard and I don't have sound. Can someone help me? |
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| 17:54.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | vipconsult: what exact error message do you get if you try to ping Google or something like that? |
| 17:55.24 | abrotman | again, ping is a horrible test |
| 17:55.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | He had mentioned it as a symptom. :) |
| 17:55.53 | vipconsult | ping: unknown host google.com |
| 17:56.41 | vipconsult | resolv.conf : nameserver 8.8.8.8 nameserver 8.8.4.4 |
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| 17:57.05 | vipconsult | iface eth0 inet static address 111.1.1.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 111.1.1.1 |
| 17:57.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | vipconsult: try adding a 'debug' line in /etc/resolv.conf and try again |
| 17:57.28 | vipconsult | ok |
| 17:57.44 | Eduard_Munteanu | Er... |
| 17:57.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | vipconsult: sorry, 'options debug' |
| 17:58.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | It should print some more info about name resolution. |
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| 17:59.12 | abrotman | anyone check the nsswitch.conf ? |
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| 17:59.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | I recall it being mentioned, might have been glossed over. |
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| 18:05.50 | vipconsult | Eduard_Munteanu : done , where does it output the debug info ? |
| 18:06.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | vipconsult: should be inline with the commands you run in the terminal |
| 18:06.33 | jimmybrite | Hey guys, I can't seem to get wine to compile without a freetype 32-bit error, thing is I have multiarch enabled, all other dependencies are resolved, I can compile and make/make install wine with the "--without-freetype" option but then I get 1x2 pixel windows with nothing in them when I run an exe |
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| 18:06.45 | vipconsult | ping google.com , stil outputs the same info |
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| 18:07.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | vipconsult: ok, check /etc/nsswitch.conf like suggested above |
| 18:07.10 | jelly-home | jimmybrite: build it in a 32bit chroot |
| 18:07.12 | vipconsult | after every change I use : ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 to apply settings , it shoulw be aenoguh |
| 18:07.13 | jimmybrite | More info, It's Debian Jessie and wine stable (1.6.2) |
| 18:07.30 | jelly-home | ,v wine |
| 18:07.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | vipconsult: no need to |
| 18:07.31 | jimmybrite | jelly-home, Yeah I read that somewhere, it just seemed like a whole lot of trouble |
| 18:07.31 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; jessie: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; sid: 1.6.2-1 |
| 18:07.58 | jelly-home | jimmybrite: as opposed to your current approach, which does not work at all? |
| 18:08.01 | abrotman | vipconsult: pastebin your /etc/nsswitch.conf please |
| 18:08.07 | vipconsult | sure |
| 18:08.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | sighs... he read an askubuntu.com answer suggesting placing iptables-restore in rc.local :( |
| 18:08.41 | jimmybrite | jelly-home, How nice! But yeah wine 1.4 works but it doesnt run everything I need, and the sid .debs borked my system before |
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| 18:09.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | Not only ad-hoc, but ad-libitum until it executes, to make a pun. |
| 18:09.05 | abrotman | no, you borked your system .. |
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| 18:09.26 | maxorator | hmm, a debian "live cd" is giving me no other options than install on boot |
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| 18:09.29 | vipconsult | http://pastebin.com/4SwqXUVg |
| 18:09.35 | vipconsult | all configs |
| 18:09.37 | jelly-home | jimmybrite: mixing jessie and sid should not be _that_ catastrophic |
| 18:09.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | By the way, I hope iptables-persistent does run before raising interfaces, doesn't it? |
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| 18:09.57 | jordanm | jimmybrite: good luck. it took me days to get wine 1.7 compiled on a wheezy system |
| 18:09.58 | jimmybrite | abrotman, Of course I did, who else was at the helm |
| 18:10.02 | ktorvalds | mornin! |
| 18:10.09 | jordanm | and involved things I would recommened doing.... |
| 18:10.13 | ktorvalds | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.34 | jordanm | !tell ktorvalds about icewesel |
| 18:10.34 | jimmybrite | jordanm, really? it took me a few minutes, It just didn't draw anything in my windows for some reason |
| 18:11.12 | abrotman | vipconsult: looks normal .. are you sure your ISP allows you to use other DNS servers? |
| 18:11.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | ktorvalds: they often are unbranded, and use a different name |
| 18:11.23 | ktorvalds | jordanm is it basically the same? and what about thunderbird? |
| 18:11.25 | jordanm | jimmybrite: I am on amd64. The difficult bits were libpng (dev package doesn't allow multiarch) and GL with nvidia proprietary drivers |
| 18:11.26 | jelly-home | jimmybrite: alternatively, just wait a week or a few more and it will magically appear in testing |
| 18:11.35 | jordanm | !tell ktorvalds about icedove |
| 18:11.40 | vipconsult | yes , but just in case I tried using soe other dns with the same result |
| 18:11.47 | jelly-home | dpkg: why is wine32 not in testing |
| 18:11.47 | dpkg | wine32 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=wine32 |
| 18:11.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: not doing so would be stupid, but good question :) |
| 18:11.49 | vipconsult | this is new install debixn 7 |
| 18:12.02 | abrotman | vipconsult: have you tried their DNS? |
| 18:12.09 | jelly-home | ah, so very new. trying to update wine from 1.4.1-4 to 1.6.2-1 (candidate is 0 days old) |
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| 18:12.24 | vipconsult | abrotman , ill try now |
| 18:12.31 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ktorvalds about icelizard |
| 18:12.33 | jimmybrite | jordanm, I have nvidia as well, that might be why I couldnt see anything when I ran .exe files, even wine notepad |
| 18:12.44 | jordanm | 1.6.2 isn't going to help if you are trying to run steam. I think that needs wine > 1.7.1 now |
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| 18:12.54 | jimmybrite | jelly-home, I dunno, I'm on jessie and it;s still on the same wine version as wheezy |
| 18:13.10 | ktorvalds | ok sweet, thanks for that info. a couple others though - gfceu and zsnes aren't in there. fceu is, but I like the gui |
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| 18:13.40 | abrotman | judd: info zsnes |
| 18:13.41 | judd | Package zsnes (otherosfs, optional) in wheezy/i386: Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System. Version: 1.510+bz2-5; Size: 908.8k; Installed: 3895k; Homepage: http://www.zsnes.com; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/zsnes |
| 18:13.43 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 18:13.48 | abrotman | judd: versions zsnes |
| 18:13.49 | judd | Package: zsnes on i386 -- squeeze: 1.510-2.2+b1; wheezy: 1.510+bz2-5; jessie: 1.510+bz2-6; sid: 1.510+bz2-6 |
| 18:13.54 | jordanm | it's not there in amd64 i think |
| 18:14.03 | ktorvalds | oh that's why :( |
| 18:14.08 | jordanm | ,versions zsnes --arch amd64 |
| 18:14.09 | judd | No package named 'zsnes' was found in amd64. |
| 18:14.11 | abrotman | time for multiarch .. yay |
| 18:14.14 | vipconsult | abrotman : same result |
| 18:14.20 | jordanm | abrotman: I don't think so |
| 18:14.32 | jordanm | I am pretty sure it's not there because chunks of it are written in assembly |
| 18:14.33 | abrotman | why not? |
| 18:14.51 | jordanm | ktorvalds: I recommend snes9x |
| 18:14.53 | abrotman | Not sure that matters? |
| 18:14.55 | vipconsult | and t might be something to do with the fact that even the debug option doesn;t output any additionla info as if the resolve.conf is not even called |
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| 18:15.17 | jordanm | abrotman: perhaps, I didn't mess with it at all, just switched |
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| 18:15.24 | jimmybrite | snes9x is still in development, zsnes has slowed down a lot. |
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| 18:15.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | vipconsult: have you tried inspecting logs? Can't tell for sure which it should be, but syslog would be a good start |
| 18:15.50 | vipconsult | ok |
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| 18:16.17 | jordanm | jimmybrite: I have been using it for years |
| 18:16.43 | ktorvalds | alright thanks a lot. one last question, can I just drop my profile folders from firefox and thunderbird into iceweasel and icedove? |
| 18:17.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | ktorvalds: it should work |
| 18:18.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | They're not extensively modified. |
| 18:18.14 | vipconsult | Eduard_Munteanu : one strange message in the debug log : eth0: no IPv6 routers present |
| 18:18.17 | ktorvalds | ok. thanks a lot guys! I'm off to find my fortune! hehe |
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| 18:18.46 | maxorator | why does debian live cd have no live boot option? |
| 18:19.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | vipconsult: not very weird, most ISPs still don't implement IPv6 |
| 18:19.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | Or many, at least. |
| 18:19.17 | jelly-home | jimmybrite: yep, it's not in jessie yet |
| 18:20.10 | jimmybrite | jelly-home, about the chroot method, it says I still need the dependencies outside of it, but I cant install libfreetype:i386 at all without reverting to a 32-bit system |
| 18:20.23 | jordanm | guess I have been compiling snes-9x from source |
| 18:20.25 | jimmybrite | then again, I fear that this is not my issue |
| 18:21.33 | jimmybrite | Eduard_Munteanu, Some of them, like mine, give bad router info and retrieving stuff from ipv6 servers takes forever, ex: apt-get update |
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| 18:21.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | jimmybrite: same here, yeah |
| 18:22.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | I complained to them, but they insisted on trying on Windows. I said no. :) |
| 18:22.46 | jimmybrite | Eduard_Munteanu, nice stock answer from them, |
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| 18:23.00 | vipconsult | Eduard_Munteanu : nothing else in the log files |
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| 18:23.11 | jimmybrite | Eduard_Munteanu, Also, I fail to see what the OS has to do with it when it;s a router issue, stupid isp's |
| 18:23.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | They advertise bad RAs, it only works with DHCPv6 PD consistently. |
| 18:23.53 | vipconsult | Eduard_Munteanu : could it be that some dns service is not running ? do you know whichi s the daemon for the dns ? |
| 18:24.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | vipconsult: there isn't, the resolver is just a library |
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| 18:25.05 | jimmybrite | My isp stated that I need 6rd+6rdDHCPv4, but it's slow somehow, so I set it to 6rd+auto-detection, that fixes it, not sure why |
| 18:26.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | If I ever need IPv6 access and I'm in a worse mood, I'll report it again and claim my entire internet connection is broken (which it is, if I don't change some thing). :) |
| 18:27.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | Just so they don't claim IPv6 is optional or other crap. ;) |
| 18:27.49 | jimmybrite | Bizarre, now I apparently do have libfreetype:i386 installed, may be some wine 1.4 remnants, I still get the missing freetype error though |
| 18:28.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | jimmybrite: they're pretty much unaware because I think they only tested routers... which works for computers *behind* them, but not the routers themselves :) |
| 18:29.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | So if RAs are broken and IAs are missing, go figure... you have to pick an address from the delegated prefix. |
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| 18:29.33 | jimmybrite | Eduard_Munteanu, wanna know the funny thing, I'm using one of their recommended routers, but I didnt buy it from them |
| 18:30.29 | jimmybrite | Eduard_Munteanu, took me a long time to figure out why ipv6 was so slow in linux and my linux vm's in windows, i'd take 1-6 minutes to reload the package list every time |
| 18:30.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | Heh... In my case they tried sending a tech guy in with a Windows lappy, but they only had WinXP on their machines. |
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| 18:31.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | jimmybrite: you can customize /etc/gai.conf to make it prefer v4 addresses over v6 |
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| 18:31.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | While still having IPv6 fully enabled. |
| 18:31.52 | jimmybrite | Eduard_Munteanu, I didn't know that, I just turned off ipv6 after a while and recently decided to switch it back on and play with it until it worked |
| 18:32.21 | jimmybrite | Eduard_Munteanu, I also turned off ipv6 completely in linux at some point |
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| 18:33.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | At some point I figured some of their PPPoE ACs were wrong and some did it right, but that didn't last long. |
| 18:33.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | I turned it off completely as well. |
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| 18:51.05 | aktau | Guys, if I'd like program which I run on a separate user, call xrandr, what is the most secure way to go about it? |
| 18:51.37 | abrotman | sudo probably |
| 18:51.51 | aktau | That's actually...not a bad plan! |
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| 18:52.20 | aktau | THanks abrotman, will try it out |
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| 19:09.42 | dizzy_duck | I have big question. Recently I've made 'apt-get dist-upgrade' which updated kernel from 3.7 (afair) to 3.12. Now the virtualbox and Nvidia CUDA drivers are not working. I thought it's headers problem, so I've installed headers and tried to reconfigure the packages without success. |
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| 19:10.09 | dizzy_duck | My question is : is there any chance of making previously installed drivers run, without reinstalling the whole system?:/ |
| 19:10.13 | abrotman | and the error is ? |
| 19:10.44 | dizzy_duck | for VirtualBox it's Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908) and for CUDA 'there is no CUDA device' :( |
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| 19:12.52 | dizzy_duck | I spent lot of time configuring everything and the whole machine was working just perfect :/ |
| 19:13.20 | mo1991 | dizzy_duck are you using testing? |
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| 19:14.09 | dizzy_duck | for the packages? Nope, just pure apt-get. I never had problems with apt-get dist-upgrade so considered it pretty safe :\ |
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| 19:14.47 | branbran | Do i need all 3 dvd's for the debian install? |
| 19:14.52 | abrotman | no |
| 19:15.09 | abrotman | dizzy_duck: which video card is it? |
| 19:15.15 | ksuhku | !tell branbran about netinst |
| 19:15.17 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 19:15.19 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.13-rc6-686-pae (3.13~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); jessie: 3.12-1-686-pae (3.12.6-2); wheezy-backports: 3.11-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.11.10-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.51-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.51-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze4) |
| 19:15.21 | dizzy_duck | GF GTX 660M |
| 19:15.27 | branbran | I only have dvds to burn to |
| 19:15.34 | abrotman | branbran: no USB drive? |
| 19:15.35 | abrotman | stick |
| 19:15.43 | abrotman | dizzy_duck: are you sure the nvidia drivers still support it ? |
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| 19:16.11 | branbran | not on me at this point its in the office |
| 19:16.14 | dizzy_duck | Only CudaToolkit managed to cope with that, I wrote tutorial on this and everything was perfect until apt-get dist-upgrade so I guess there is no problem with drivers |
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| 19:16.41 | branbran | I assume if i download the first DVD and install i could just do apt-get and install things from the repo |
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| 19:16.58 | adilix | how do i change the gdm3 settings, i dont want to login with the 3d desktop |
| 19:17.06 | branbran | or is there an option on the first dvd to switch to an net install |
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| 19:18.02 | mo1991 | dizzy_duck Stock kernel for stable is 3.2 I think. i can tell you that the virtualbox addon drivers don't work with the latest kernels. I'd reccomend using either the older kernel or installing the wheezy kernel to have the virtualbox addon drivers work |
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| 19:19.29 | abrotman | mo1991: he's not using stable ? |
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| 19:21.05 | dizzy_duck | I'm using wheezy |
| 19:21.20 | abrotman | dizzy_duck: Doubtful, a dist-upgrde in wheezy wouldn't give you a 3.12 kernel |
| 19:21.28 | abrotman | dizzy_duck: pastebin your sources.list |
| 19:21.32 | branbran | which way of installing packages is preferred dpkg or apt-get |
| 19:21.53 | dizzy_duck | it's Kali linux I'm running, based on wheezy with some additional tools |
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| 19:22.34 | abrotman | dizzy_duck: then you shojuld ask #kali-linux, not here |
| 19:22.45 | abrotman | we can't possibly know how Kali is different |
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| 19:23.34 | dizzy_duck | Ok, I thought it's so much deep in wheezy that wheezy solutions suits it completely, it worked before :/ |
| 19:24.25 | abrotman | dizzy_duck: ask #kali-linux, wheezy does not have a 3.12 kernel. Have a good day |
| 19:24.40 | branbran | okay, I am switching from fedora to Debian because my ATI graphics card is not supported by RPM Fusion. its an ATI Radeon 7750 Hd. I was wondering what things should I know before the switch? |
| 19:24.42 | dizzy_duck | all right then, thanks |
| 19:25.22 | abrotman | branbran: have you read any documentation ? installation guides, etc? |
| 19:25.40 | branbran | yes, but you know there are hangups that are not mentioned in the guide |
| 19:26.26 | aktau | How could I allow the user to set some specific environment variables when using sudo? |
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| 19:27.24 | abrotman | aktau: what are you really trying to do? |
| 19:28.11 | aktau | abrotman: read out the info that xrandr spits out |
| 19:28.19 | aktau | abrotman: from a user that did not start the X server |
| 19:28.32 | aktau | abrotman: the user only needs access to xrandr, nothing more |
| 19:29.04 | abrotman | Wasn't what I was asking |
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| 19:29.29 | aktau | abrotman: ok, then what were you asking? |
| 19:32.03 | abrotman | aktau: what are you really trying to do? |
| 19:32.18 | aktau | Get a list of all connected and disconnected displays |
| 19:32.23 | aktau | Kind of like the one that xrandr gives |
| 19:32.24 | firespeaker | сәлем aktau |
| 19:32.38 | aktau | firespeaker: I'm not actually from aktau ;) |
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| 19:32.47 | firespeaker | aktau: ah, I see, sorry :-P |
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| 19:33.25 | aktau | abrotman: so I'd like to know whether or not VGA1 is connected, and with what resolution and refresh rater |
| 19:33.31 | aktau | abrotman: same for HDMI, et cetera |
| 19:33.37 | abrotman | not sure why you need a special user for that ? |
| 19:33.57 | aktau | Well, this info gets sent over a websockets link, secured with SSL |
| 19:34.02 | aktau | This happens through a special app that I wrote |
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| 19:34.17 | aktau | The app needs to be able to request that info whenever necessary |
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| 19:34.43 | mrdeb | hi |
| 19:34.55 | aktau | There's units all over the country, and they need to report their status to the main server, this is one of the metrics I'd like to collect, abrotman |
| 19:34.59 | mrdeb | is there a way to get debian on kindle fire hd |
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| 19:36.51 | abrotman | aktau: you can't just run 'xrandr -q' ? |
| 19:37.08 | aktau | abrotman: as the user in which the app runs, obviously not |
| 19:37.20 | aktau | abrotman: without a valid .Xauthority file, it's impossible |
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| 19:37.34 | abrotman | dpkg: tell aktau about mit magic cookie |
| 19:37.48 | aktau | abrotman: which is exactly what the .Xauthority file contains |
| 19:37.54 | aktau | I know about the mit magic cookie |
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| 19:41.35 | BackEndCoder | hi guys |
| 19:41.56 | BackEndCoder | is there a way to add multible ips to lo without havn';t to set up a virual interface for evefryone one |
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| 19:42.18 | BackEndCoder | i was thinking about adding a /24 to a single box (for windows file share reaons) |
| 19:42.26 | BackEndCoder | but so i need to add 256 interfaces |
| 19:42.30 | BackEndCoder | seems a bit over kill |
| 19:44.09 | aktau | abrotman: in the end the safest is just adding DISPLAY to env_keep in sudoers, and allowing passwordless sudo access to xrandr from the nonprivileged user. Seems to work wonders |
| 19:44.20 | abrotman | that's one way, yes :) |
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| 19:47.38 | woffs | BackEndCoder: you could use quagga for this |
| 19:48.05 | BackEndCoder | i already use quagga for ospf |
| 19:48.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | Huh? |
| 19:48.27 | BackEndCoder | is this directly relating to multible assignment of ip;s to one server ? |
| 19:48.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | BackEndCoder: you can just add it with 'ip' without getting an additional eth0:* |
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| 19:48.54 | BackEndCoder | right |
| 19:49.01 | BackEndCoder | and what would the network interfaces look like |
| 19:49.07 | adilix | how do i change gnome-fallback when a user logins as default |
| 19:49.11 | abrotman | BackEndCoder: why not just script it ? |
| 19:49.12 | BackEndCoder | does it take multible lines for address ? |
| 19:49.20 | BackEndCoder | if i knew how to script i would be asking |
| 19:49.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | BackEndCoder: it doesn't spawn a new interface at all |
| 19:49.27 | BackEndCoder | if you guys wanna point me in the right directly |
| 19:49.31 | BackEndCoder | i would be most greatful |
| 19:49.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | BackEndCoder: what is your purpose for those addresses more exactly? |
| 19:49.45 | BackEndCoder | windows is gay |
| 19:50.03 | BackEndCoder | and will only samba connect to a single ip under a username for samba shares |
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| 19:50.20 | abrotman | BackEndCoder: That's inappropriate, surely you can come up with a better term. |
| 19:50.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | BackEndCoder: ip addr add dev ethX ADDR/PREFIXLEN or something like that |
| 19:51.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | You need to do it for each individual address though. |
| 19:51.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | BackEndCoder: but I doubt that's a proper workaround for whatever your issue is |
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| 19:56.28 | frostbittenking | Hi, I have a problem with vlans. I have configured a vlan with the id 11 -> eth1.11 ..and the normal network on eth1. eith1.11 has the ip 10.0.2.1 and eth1: 10.0.0.1. Whenever a dhcp or whatever request is sent from a client behind the managed switch (which tags all packets on the outgoing port 24 with id 11) my debian box responds on both interfaces (eth1 and eth1.11)\ |
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| 19:58.16 | adilix | how do i change the System default login to gnome-fallback |
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| 20:00.11 | BackEndCoder | jokes |
| 20:00.23 | BackEndCoder | ok so from how i know to get around the windows 'problem' |
| 20:00.31 | BackEndCoder | i can fake it with multible ip's to the same server |
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| 20:00.45 | BackEndCoder | this allows me to connect to the server with multible users |
| 20:00.53 | BackEndCoder | however ... instead of adding multible /30 ranges |
| 20:01.02 | BackEndCoder | it would be a lot easyer to add a /24 |
| 20:01.10 | BackEndCoder | or something like that |
| 20:01.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | BackEndCoder: is this about Windows clients? You can probably deal with it by mounting said shares with 'net', or you can ask Windows to forget the login if you want to connect as a different user. |
| 20:01.25 | BackEndCoder | but i don't want to have 256 virual interfaces |
| 20:01.41 | BackEndCoder | like you said, you can add more ip's to an interface with the ifconfig command |
| 20:01.51 | BackEndCoder | but i need to do this with the /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:02.14 | BackEndCoder | Eduard_Munteanu, great idea |
| 20:02.14 | BackEndCoder | and yes |
| 20:02.21 | BackEndCoder | but these users will always want to be connected |
| 20:02.26 | BackEndCoder | infact all of them are network drives |
| 20:02.37 | BackEndCoder | its set up so i can work on websites without having to ftp |
| 20:02.45 | abrotman | use a post-up script, script a loop |
| 20:03.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | BackEndCoder: why the different users though? |
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| 20:03.20 | BackEndCoder | casue each website has different shell users |
| 20:03.24 | BackEndCoder | and different samba users |
| 20:03.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | BackEndCoder: are those clients under your control? |
| 20:03.58 | BackEndCoder | yes |
| 20:04.00 | BackEndCoder | i have root |
| 20:04.03 | BackEndCoder | but thats how its setup |
| 20:04.21 | BackEndCoder | changing the server setup just so i can connect on samba with a group user |
| 20:04.25 | BackEndCoder | isn;t the way to go about it |
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| 20:04.32 | BackEndCoder | adding a range of ips' is |
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| 20:04.59 | BackEndCoder | please note these are internal ip's |
| 20:05.08 | BackEndCoder | not to mention my 20 hepiton ipv6 addresses i have |
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| 20:05.26 | BackEndCoder | i just am trying to find out a good way without having to add invidival /30's |
| 20:05.29 | BackEndCoder | cause i'm losing track |
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| 20:06.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | BackEndCoder: if you have each website as a different user that doesn't mean you have to have the samba user the same. |
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| 20:07.33 | BackEndCoder | the user spaces have different permissions |
| 20:07.39 | BackEndCoder | and some of them are not the same client |
| 20:07.46 | BackEndCoder | so the groups are different |
| 20:07.47 | BackEndCoder | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/bind-alias-range-of-ip-address-in-linux/ |
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| 20:07.50 | BackEndCoder | i need something like this |
| 20:07.52 | BackEndCoder | but in a script |
| 20:08.01 | BackEndCoder | this is where my scripting knowledge stops |
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| 20:08.25 | BackEndCoder | looping maybe |
| 20:08.29 | BackEndCoder | but i don't know bash |
| 20:08.32 | Dagger | just do `ip a a 192.0.2.2/24 dev eth0`, `ip a a 192.0.2.3/24 dev eth0` etc? |
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| 20:08.43 | BackEndCoder | i don't know what that means sorry |
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| 20:09.13 | Dagger | that's the command to add an IP to an interface... |
| 20:09.18 | BackEndCoder | i got that part |
| 20:09.22 | BackEndCoder | but 256 times ? |
| 20:09.25 | BackEndCoder | i need it in a loop |
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| 20:09.28 | BackEndCoder | and thats where i fall |
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| 20:09.53 | BackEndCoder | i even googled post up scrpting loops |
| 20:10.01 | BackEndCoder | but that page i linked is the closetetst i got |
| 20:10.08 | Dagger | `for i in {2..254}; do ip a a 192.0.2.${i}/24 dev eth0; done` |
| 20:10.08 | abrotman | Please use less enter key |
| 20:10.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | BackEndCoder: if all of them are under your control, you can set up e.g. ACLs to let an 'admin' user connect through samba and upload files, even having new files get the ownership set to the particular uid/gid of the website. |
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| 20:10.25 | Dagger | also, yes, that. 95% of the lines on my screen are from you |
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| 20:11.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | BackEndCoder: I mean if each website is exposed as a share |
| 20:11.44 | BackEndCoder | i'm sorry guys but i came in here to be helped, not be thrown to the wolfs |
| 20:11.49 | BackEndCoder | i will work it out myself |
| 20:11.51 | BackEndCoder | have a good day |
| 20:11.54 | AlsoDirkson | Hey all! I'm making a flash drive linux to run just a couple programs. For a minimal install with X, what sort of disk space should I keep available for just / ? |
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| 20:12.33 | frostbittenking | bleh nobody here who knows something about vlans .. well ..gotta go(cuz I'm the governator of the west coast) |
| 20:12.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | AlsoDirkson: Debian often fits in 2.5GiB or so, even with extra packages, IIRC |
| 20:12.57 | Dagger | ...he wanted a script to add a bunch of IPs to an interface, and he got a script to add a bunch of IPs to an interface. how is that being thrown to the wolves :/ |
| 20:13.25 | adilix | how do i unistall gdm3 |
| 20:13.43 | abrotman | adilix: how do you uninstall any other program? |
| 20:13.46 | rozie | frostbittenking: why think so? |
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| 20:13.52 | AlsoDirkson | Eduard_Munteanu: Appreciated. Have an 8gb drive - Can probably assign 3gb to /, and 5gb to /home . |
| 20:14.03 | adilix | i am new in debian |
| 20:14.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | AlsoDirkson: why not make it all a big filesystem? |
| 20:14.20 | rozie | adilix: use Ubuntu, then ;) |
| 20:14.24 | adilix | it says to remove gnome-core package |
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| 20:15.03 | abrotman | ugh |
| 20:15.10 | AlsoDirkson | Eduard_Munteanu: I want to have /home be something mountable on windows too |
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| 20:15.14 | adilix | i have set in inittab to 3 but it starts gdm3 again why? |
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| 20:15.33 | AlsoDirkson | Eduard_Munteanu: Admittedly, I'm a little leery of a fat or ntfs /home... Not sure which is worse, really :D |
| 20:15.48 | nkuttler | !tell adilix about nodm |
| 20:15.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | AlsoDirkson: ew... try making it all a big UDF then. |
| 20:15.56 | AlsoDirkson | Eduard_Munteanu: UDF? |
| 20:16.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | AlsoDirkson: yes, you might know it from CD/DVD-related things, but it has a HDD/SSD mode as well. |
| 20:16.58 | AlsoDirkson | Eduard_Munteanu: Interesting. This I did not know. |
| 20:17.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | And AFAIH it tends to be well-supported across OSes. |
| 20:17.25 | AlsoDirkson | Eduard_Munteanu: Does it have journeling support? That's the thing that makes me leery of fat. |
| 20:18.02 | abrotman | there's an ext3 driver for Windows |
| 20:18.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | AlsoDirkson: AFAIK, UDF is log-structured... which is a good idea for flash anyway. |
| 20:18.07 | adilix | i cant uninstall gdm3 it depends on gnome gnome-core and task-gnome-desktop |
| 20:18.08 | abrotman | or used to be anyway .. |
| 20:18.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | AlsoDirkson: meaning it doesn't quite need a journal |
| 20:18.40 | AlsoDirkson | abrotman: Well, the goal is to hand this thing to kids and have it Just Work. I.e. If they stick it in windows, you can access their files, or if they boot to the linux side, they can also access their files. |
| 20:18.56 | AlsoDirkson | Eduard_Munteanu: Interesting. I like the sound of this ^^ |
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| 20:20.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | AlsoDirkson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format#Compatibility |
| 20:21.31 | AlsoDirkson | Eduard_Munteanu: I've not used windows since Vista was brand new. Is it safe to assume that people will be running vista, 7, or 8 at home? I should probably ask that in ##windows instead :D |
| 20:22.34 | Sh1G3rU | what is there any other windows after XP? :P |
| 20:22.40 | branbran | #linuxmint |
| 20:22.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | AlsoDirkson: heh, dunno... but Win7 tends to have a reasonable reputation. Besides, according to that compat table there is 3rd party write support for UDP in XP too. |
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| 20:23.13 | AlsoDirkson | branbran: I think that was an excellent burn, sir : ) |
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| 20:25.47 | Guest65414 | is it possible to set a huge extended partition contaning multiple linux distros,and 1 other primary partition for win7? |
| 20:25.59 | Guest65414 | *create a huge* |
| 20:26.01 | abrotman | Guest65414: try it and see |
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| 20:26.14 | Guest65414 | abrotman:no |
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| 20:26.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | Guest65414: yes. But since it's 2014, perhaps you should try GPT partition tables. |
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| 20:28.37 | wols | Guest65414: it is possible. but you can't use more than 2.2TB |
| 20:28.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | Guest65414: also is this a concern regarding the number of partitions? You could just use LVM if you need a lot of "partitions". |
| 20:29.22 | Guest65414 | Eduard_Munteanu: ummm...sorry i have an issue with fedora installation and i would post it here,may I? |
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| 20:29.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | Not sure. Maybe if you keep it distro-agnostic. |
| 20:30.04 | Guest65414 | sure thing |
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| 20:31.25 | Guest65414 | this is my HDD partitioning scheme, the ntfs part. contain Win7 and the ext4/swap ones contain debian,and i want to install fedora on another extended part. created in the 79 gb space |
| 20:31.27 | Guest65414 | http://s8.postimg.org/wuty3gbzp/snapshot1.png |
| 20:32.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | Guest65414: there is only one extended partition, perhaps you mean logical partition |
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| 20:32.54 | bbtech | Anyone know how to troubleshoot a random hang on "enabling power management" during boot? |
| 20:32.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | Guest65414: but yes, should be possible |
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| 20:33.06 | Guest65414 | Eduard_Munteanu:my 2009 HDD only allows 1 extended partition? |
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| 20:33.23 | Guest65414 | Eduard_Munteanu:i couldn't create the partition in the freespace |
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| 20:33.37 | Guest65414 | it always echoes:' no enough free space' |
| 20:33.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | Guest65414: it's not the HDD, it's the specification: there is only one extended partition, and it's the last of all primary partitions. |
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| 20:34.23 | Guest65414 | it's in the last yes,does the order matter? |
| 20:34.46 | kRush | do yourself a favor, use lvm |
| 20:35.11 | Guest65414 | yeah i was trying with lvm,but couldn't make it,now trying again though |
| 20:35.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | Guest65414: I think you're mixing up some terms a bit there... likely your extended partition is sda3 (and it isn't shown). In contrast, sda5/6 are *logical* partitions. |
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| 20:37.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | Guest65414: the extended partition is a special type of primary partition which acts as a container for logical partitions, thus allowing you to make more than 4 partitions. |
| 20:38.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | But it's just the container, you don't normally touch it besides creating it. You deal with the partitions inside it, e.g. sda5, sda6. |
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| 20:39.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | Sure, you can make more logical partitions there. |
| 20:40.00 | ExeciN | I want to use awesome as my window manager. Should I also change my display manager or it does not matter? |
| 20:40.06 | Guest65414 | Eduard_Munteanu:and am I allowed to create 2 extended partitions?since that I already have 1 extended for debian? |
| 20:40.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | ExeciN: doesn't matter |
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| 20:40.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | Guest65414: no... create more logical partitions inside the extended one |
| 20:40.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | Guest65414: you needn't dedicate an extended partition to one distro or anothe |
| 20:41.05 | Guest65414 | so i can only create 1 extended partition with other primary ones? |
| 20:41.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | Guest65414: no... you already have 2 primary partitions and 1 extended, which contains 2 logical. Create more logical partitions besides those 2. |
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| 20:42.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | Guest65414: since the extended partition likely extends to the end of the disk as unpartitioned space |
| 20:42.16 | Guest65414 | i created lvm partition for '/' and another one for 'swap' but i got this error when applying the changes: /boot filesystem cannot be of type lvmlv |
| 20:42.48 | Guest65414 | Eduard_Munteanu:i see |
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| 20:43.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | Guest65414: you generally need a non-LVM/RAID partition for /boot in particular. You can share it with other distros though. |
| 20:43.35 | Guest65414 | what space should i associate to /boot ? |
| 20:44.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | Guest65414: it needn't be large, you can likely cram it in as little as 50MB, but 200-300MB should be safe. |
| 20:44.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | Those are just arbitrary figures really. |
| 20:45.09 | Guest65414 | i see,what is it used for?booting fedora in the shared GRUB with debian ? |
| 20:45.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | Depends a lot on the bootloader, initramfs and kernels you store there. |
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| 20:45.39 | shman | is it possible to sync various email adresses with exim or some other mail tool? |
| 20:45.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | Guest65414: storing GRUB and the kernels for booting |
| 20:45.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | shman: sync in what sense? |
| 20:46.40 | kRush | /boot on lvm doesn't work in debian? -.- |
| 20:46.57 | abrotman | it should |
| 20:47.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | Mm, might work with GRUB2, but dunno. |
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| 20:47.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | shman: if you mean syncing the stored mail you can likely use offlineimap for that purpose |
| 20:47.45 | kRush | I know my grub2 can't WRITE to it but booting.. |
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| 20:48.36 | easyeasy | What are the minimal X packages required ? Absolute minimum |
| 20:48.39 | easyeasy | Not the metapackage, thanks |
| 20:49.09 | easyeasy | just enough to start an Xserver, i already have the mouse keyboard and display driver installed |
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| 20:49.22 | abrotman | and what doesn't work ? |
| 20:49.41 | easyeasy | xserver doesn't start |
| 20:49.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | easyeasy: apt-get install my-actual-x-app --no-install-recommends |
| 20:49.46 | abrotman | easyeasy: with what error? |
| 20:49.51 | easyeasy | wrong Edu |
| 20:49.54 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: that doesn't really work |
| 20:49.56 | easyeasy | those are fake requres |
| 20:50.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | You're missing xinit likely. |
| 20:50.05 | easyeasy | ever look at the xorg metas? |
| 20:50.08 | easyeasy | i installed xinit |
| 20:50.15 | abrotman | !enter |
| 20:50.16 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 20:50.53 | centrx | ,.;...---::: |
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| 20:51.04 | Guest65414 | reboots to start Gparted and see what he can does |
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| 20:51.20 | easyeasy | Fine, one liner here: What are the minimal xorg packages required assuming intel card on a desktop. |
| 20:51.29 | Guest65414 | Eduard_Munteanu:any pertitioning scheme you recommend that i set in Gparted? |
| 20:51.30 | abrotman | easyeasy: I asked you a question .. |
| 20:51.58 | easyeasy | Sorry I didn't see it over your bot commands |
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| 20:52.13 | abrotman | I used one bot command. |
| 20:52.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | Guest65414: depends... what can you change? Can you reinstall Debian? Can you reinstall everything? |
| 20:52.17 | easyeasy | There is no question that could better serve what I asked |
| 20:52.22 | abrotman | yes, there is |
| 20:52.23 | easyeasy | Not one |
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| 20:52.27 | abrotman | but if you want to argue .. good luck |
| 20:52.30 | easyeasy | What is the minimum? |
| 20:52.34 | abrotman | what is the error? |
| 20:52.45 | Guest65414 | Eduard_Munteanu:isn't it possible to extend the 'extended partition' from the free space? |
| 20:52.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | Guest65414: it probably is already extended |
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| 20:52.57 | easyeasy | xserver not in /usr/bin/x |
| 20:53.01 | easyeasy | whatever |
| 20:53.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | easyeasy: paste the exact error message |
| 20:53.23 | easyeasy | what is the minimum!??!?!? if i had the minimum the error wouldn't matter |
| 20:53.24 | abrotman | easyeasy: pastebin your Xorg.0.log, thank you |
| 20:53.37 | easyeasy | uh.... repeat that back to yourself |
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| 20:53.55 | abrotman | easyeasy: we're asking you for the logs so we can help determine which packages you need. |
| 20:54.17 | abrotman | You're the one that wants help, not us. If we have questions for you, why wouldn't you answer? |
| 20:54.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | Guest65414: as for extending it, yes, gparted should be able to do it unless you have a really messed up partition table |
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| 20:57.23 | abrotman | easyeasy: please take the next few minutes, gather your Xorg.0.log and other relevant errors, use paste.debian.net , thank you |
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| 21:00.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | LOLs... almost missed it: Guest65414's screenshot says 'Free space: 79.34 PB'. |
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| 21:03.20 | kRush | go home fedora you're drunk! |
| 21:04.24 | abrotman | kRush: Do you need help? |
| 21:05.00 | wed | If he doesn't, I do |
| 21:05.03 | kRush | no, the guys at fedora doing math sure could use a hand though =c |
| 21:05.16 | abrotman | wed: have you asked a question? |
| 21:05.18 | wed | How do I install the kernel sources? |
| 21:05.25 | abrotman | wed: apt-cache search linux-source |
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| 21:06.07 | wed | The thing is. I tried to install the binary drivers from nVidia. And there are requirements I try to fulfill |
| 21:06.24 | abrotman | dpkg: tell wed about nvidia |
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| 21:07.19 | wed | I installed the package "linux-source". But seemingly, there are "kernel-source" as well which is referred to, but not going to be installed |
| 21:07.35 | abrotman | no, it's called linux-source now |
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| 21:07.46 | abrotman | which instructions are you reading? |
| 21:07.46 | rudi_s | wed: dkms works quite well at the moment. apt-get should take care of all the dependencies. And you just need the kernel headers. |
| 21:07.57 | wed | Ok, then nVidia hasn't kept up with Debian |
| 21:08.06 | abrotman | which instructions are you reading? |
| 21:08.15 | abrotman | wed: the bot gave you a wiki page, that's a great place to start |
| 21:08.23 | wed | The ones presented during install of the driver |
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| 21:09.05 | abrotman | wed: you should not use the driver from nvidia.com, please read the wiki page the bot sent you |
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| 21:09.12 | wed | I have received no link |
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| 21:09.48 | bertrik | the 3.12 debian kernel just paniced on my netbook after inserting an nfc usb reader, is there an easy way to reboot it (without having to remove the battery)? |
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| 21:10.01 | easyeasy | ctrl-alt-del |
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| 21:10.22 | grml | Eduard_Munteanu: indeed |
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| 21:10.44 | bertrik | easyeasy: ctrl-alt-del does nothing |
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| 21:10.56 | grml | i better install any liux distro that i want within the extended part |
| 21:10.57 | easyeasy | Hold power for 7 seconds |
| 21:11.04 | easyeasy | press again |
| 21:11.06 | abrotman | bertrik: hold in the power button |
| 21:11.23 | wed | abrotman, If I didn't experience problems, I wouldn't use the blob. But NVS 290 has given me a whole day of troubles. X won't start on Debian. Slackware won't even boot |
| 21:11.26 | petn-randall | bertrik: if you have sysrq keys activated (don't know how the default setting is), you can press ctrl+alt+sysrq key, then 'b'. |
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| 21:11.39 | petn-randall | bertrik: Or, as abrotman said, hold the power button for 4 seconds. |
| 21:11.48 | bertrik | I tried to hold the power-button for up to 20s, doesn't reboot it |
| 21:11.50 | easyeasy | What are the minimal Xorg packages required to run and display the Xserver locally other than the specific video driver, mouse input, and keyboard input? |
| 21:11.53 | abrotman | it's different per laptop, |
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| 21:12.04 | abrotman | easyeasy: please paste the error you're getting as well as your Xorg.0.log |
| 21:12.09 | abrotman | easyeasy: use paste.debian.net |
| 21:12.27 | easyeasy | That doesn't answer my question |
| 21:12.27 | easyeasy | circular logic |
| 21:12.38 | abrotman | easyeasy: please paste the error you're getting as well as your Xorg.0.log, use paste.debian.net |
| 21:12.39 | easyeasy | I already stated the result and i was muted |
| 21:12.46 | easyeasy | I already told you |
| 21:12.49 | petn-randall | easyeasy: If you want help, please provide the things you were asked for. |
| 21:12.50 | abrotman | no, you didn't. |
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| 21:13.09 | easyeasy | I'm coming from manual package selecton minimal |
| 21:13.13 | abrotman | easyeasy: please paste the error you're getting as well as your Xorg.0.log, use paste.debian.net |
| 21:13.15 | easyeasy | so i just purged everything |
| 21:13.20 | easyeasy | so now i can't answer |
| 21:13.23 | abrotman | easyeasy: please paste the error you're getting as well as your Xorg.0.log, use paste.debian.net |
| 21:13.26 | petn-randall | easyeasy: Nobody here knows the exact packages needed to install a minimal X, which is why *you* should provide us the missing info. |
| 21:13.32 | easyeasy | i don't have any x packages on there anymore |
| 21:13.41 | abrotman | easyeasy: so install some |
| 21:13.42 | easyeasy | so now that I don't, what are the minimums |
| 21:13.47 | easyeasy | which ones, specifically |
| 21:13.49 | abrotman | easyeasy: aptitude install xorg |
| 21:13.49 | wols | easyeasy: apt-get install xorg |
| 21:13.55 | easyeasy | that is not the minimal required |
| 21:14.00 | wols | it is for you |
| 21:14.03 | abrotman | easyeasy: if you want a more precise answer, provide the logs |
| 21:14.09 | ctmjr | it must be sunday |
| 21:14.10 | easyeasy | how do i know? because i can manually remove nvidia and still run |
| 21:14.13 | bertrik | petn-randall: I'm trying various combinations of ctrl-alt-sysrq + b, but no effect so far, the caps lock light is blinking |
| 21:14.16 | abrotman | easyeasy: provide the logs |
| 21:14.18 | easyeasy | i can't have logs for something not on my system |
| 21:14.21 | easyeasy | can i |
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| 21:14.31 | petn-randall | bertrik: Then you won't get around taking the battery out, sorry. :/ |
| 21:14.37 | abrotman | easyeasy: Stop being obtuse, or go back to #elementary. |
| 21:14.42 | wols | easyeasy: install xorg. then remove one package at a time until x stops running. then readd it |
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| 21:14.59 | wed | abrotman, Sorry, I did get the info, but in a obscure place |
| 21:15.03 | wols | when you install xorg, you get a list of packages that get installed with it. you can work from that list. good luck |
| 21:15.08 | abrotman | wols: he's not even using Debian, he's using a distro based on ubuntu |
| 21:15.21 | wols | abrotman: then why do you even bother asking for logs? |
| 21:15.46 | abrotman | wols: Thought I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, but clearly this is trollish behaviour |
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| 21:17.25 | aster1sk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.37 | aster1sk | sorry kid at kbd. |
| 21:17.50 | bertrik | petn-randall: ok, thanks anyway. It seems it panics in the pn533 driver, I'll try to blacklist that module |
| 21:18.05 | Peter222 | Hi... just switched from Ubuntu and can't see switcheroo in /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch... how to disable discrete gpu in my laptop? (ATI/Intel) |
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| 21:37.00 | Wixy | I just noticed I have 5GB in /usr/lib, 8GB in /usr/share and 12GB in /var/lib, wtf!? O_O |
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| 21:38.30 | centrx | Delete some software :) |
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| 21:38.59 | petn-randall | Wixy: That can easily happen if you install lots of big packages (/usr/lib/), like libreoffice or several games. And /var/lib can easily get 300 GB or more if you have huge databases. |
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| 21:39.22 | centrx | Yeah /var/lib has the apt-get download cache for example |
| 21:39.47 | Wixy | I certainly loooooots of apps that I don't use anymore.. is there a tool to find out which ones and remove them? |
| 21:40.08 | petn-randall | Wixy: You can use 'ncdu' on the command line, or baobab in X to check what the culprit is. |
| 21:40.09 | abrotman | that you do'nt use? |
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| 21:40.14 | Wixy | this system have been running for a few years, I'm sure I'm not using even 20% of the apps I have installed |
| 21:40.24 | centrx | deborphan may help |
| 21:41.41 | petn-randall | Wixy: I have a system that has basically been only upgraded for the last 10 years. If you don't tidy up every now and then you'll accumulate a lot of cruft. |
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| 21:41.57 | Wixy | that's the problem |
| 21:42.02 | Wixy | so deborphan? |
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| 21:42.26 | bertrik | I use it too, helps a lot, just be a little careful about what you throw away |
| 21:42.34 | abrotman | Wixy: deborphan is tricky to use .. Just be careful about what you remove |
| 21:45.19 | Wixy | wait, deborphan does a different thing |
| 21:45.35 | abrotman | than what? |
| 21:45.44 | Wixy | I'm talking about apps that I don't use, deborphan seems to list packages that have no packes depending on them |
| 21:45.51 | centrx | deborphan will show you packages that are not depended on by other packages, some of which you may use |
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| 21:45.52 | Wixy | which is not the case for the apps that I don't use |
| 21:45.53 | Wixy | :P |
| 21:46.08 | abrotman | Wixy: yes, it can be useful, but is not definitive |
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| 21:46.31 | petn-randall | Wixy: Well, there's no app than can do that. No program will know which apps you deem important or not ... |
| 21:47.07 | Wixy | maybe there's an app that list "normal" apps installed |
| 21:47.08 | abrotman | he could get a list with aptitude search '~i!~M' (i think, let me double check |
| 21:47.17 | Wixy | normal as in "not lib, not system package, not ..." |
| 21:47.18 | bertrik | isn't there some popularity contest app that keeps track of usage? |
| 21:47.19 | ExeciN | I am using my user account with a password and the root account with another password. How can I set sudo for my user account? Some times sudo is much easier than su -c "command" |
| 21:47.33 | abrotman | bertrik: for all of Debian, not a single system |
| 21:48.32 | Wixy | abrotman, yeah, something like that but filtering libs, system's packages, etc |
| 21:48.42 | jordanm | ExeciN: youruser ALL=(ALL) ALL # use visudo |
| 21:49.07 | ExeciN | jordanm: ah thanks |
| 21:49.10 | petn-randall | ExeciN: add your user to the sudo group, after logging in and out, you can use sudo for any command. |
| 21:49.41 | jordanm | petn-randall: sudo group is commented out by default in /etc/sudoers |
| 21:50.17 | petn-randall | jordanm: It isn't on my three systems I checked it on. |
| 21:50.19 | lazers | Q: I recently obtained a workstation. Would it be more benefit if I install barebone Debian and use something like vagrant to launch my preferred WM (and to play with other OS)? Or do I go ahead and install my preferred WM? I want to be able to mess with KDE/XFCE/Gnome/many others without files touching my home directory. |
| 21:50.38 | petn-randall | jordanm: '%' means, group, it's not a comment. |
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| 21:50.58 | Wixy | % aptitude search '~i!~M' | grep -v -E "^i\s+lib" | wc -l |
| 21:50.59 | Wixy | 988 |
| 21:51.01 | Wixy | still a lot |
| 21:51.02 | jordanm | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/75826/ |
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| 21:51.10 | abrotman | Wixy: also !~v |
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| 21:51.39 | jordanm | petn-randall: perhaps the default has changed since I installed sudo (lenny) |
| 21:51.42 | Wixy | same amount |
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| 21:52.26 | petn-randall | jordanm: Interesting. I think it's also a debconf question to allow sudo for users of the 'sudo' group, but no idea what the default is (or was). |
| 21:53.16 | petn-randall | Wixy: '~i|~M' will show you all installed packages. '|' is a logical OR. |
| 21:53.40 | abrotman | petn-randall: ! not | |
| 21:54.00 | petn-randall | abrotman: Ah, I need a better font for irssi :( |
| 21:54.22 | abrotman | or eyes .. |
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| 21:59.40 | debbin | hello everyone, can i ask for some assistance in choosing a storage repository? |
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| 22:00.47 | petn-randall | debbin: If it's related to Debian stable, sure. |
| 22:00.50 | dvs | !wayttd debbin |
| 22:00.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, debbin? |
| 22:00.55 | slvpltr | wut |
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| 22:01.23 | debbin | i need to be able to track file changes, i would like to use git. am i in the correct channel? |
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| 22:01.50 | nkuttler | debbin: can you ask a specific question? |
| 22:02.01 | abrotman | debbin: well, there is a #git or so if you have git-specific questions |
| 22:02.10 | slvpltr | lol |
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| 22:02.13 | slvpltr | i was waiting for that |
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| 22:02.45 | debbin | nkuttler: how can i track file versions on a network storage service? |
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| 22:03.07 | nkuttler | debbin: network storage service? |
| 22:03.08 | debbin | nkuttler: the service is hosted on a debian vm |
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| 22:04.08 | debbin | nkuttler: hmmm a cif samba share mounted to a volume |
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| 22:04.39 | abrotman | There are filesystems that do this for you |
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| 22:05.06 | debbin | nkuttler: the senario is that a file server hosting files on a local lan, needs to be able to track file versions and capture snapshots. |
| 22:05.11 | debbin | abrotman: like zfs? |
| 22:05.26 | nkuttler | debbin: i don't know much about smb, can't comment on that |
| 22:05.43 | debbin | abrotman: have you implemented this option before? i find it excessivly complicating. |
| 22:06.10 | debbin | nkuttler: thank you anyway |
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| 22:06.35 | Tatsh | i have a simple repository set up with dpkg-scanpackages but i would like to add gpg signing; not sure where to start |
| 22:06.44 | nkuttler | debbin: are you sure you don't simply want a backup solution? |
| 22:07.17 | nkuttler | Tatsh: you can do that with restrepo iirc |
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| 22:07.57 | debbin | nkuttler: yes, it has to be more complicated than that :P |
| 22:07.58 | Tatsh | i'm only using dpkg because i'm on gentoo; unless that can run without much difficulty |
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| 22:08.47 | debbin | would anyone know anything about the zfs filesystem? |
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| 22:10.06 | abrotman | debbin: I didn't mean ZFS |
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| 22:10.44 | debbin | abrotman: could you enlighten me? |
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| 22:11.11 | debbin | abrotman: ive found gitfs but im am unsure if it is mature enough yet. |
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| 22:11.34 | gnu-man | Hi! |
| 22:11.48 | debbin | gnu-man: hello |
| 22:12.05 | gnu-man | So there is the official archive style and the trivial archive stye. Does mini-dinstall now use the official style? |
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| 22:12.35 | gnu-man | Is PPA style the same as the trivial style or again something different? |
| 22:12.43 | abrotman | Tatsh: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#Setting_up_a_secure_apt_repository |
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| 22:13.04 | abrotman | gnu-man: Debian doesn't have PPA, perhaps you wanted #ubuntu ? |
| 22:14.21 | gnu-man | abrotman: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
| 22:14.34 | gnu-man | abrotman: Both people.debian.org and alioth.debian.org are installed with these packages. The PPA archives created on these hosts should only be used for small low-volume experimental archives only. |
| 22:14.39 | gnu-man | abrotman: (excerpt) |
| 22:14.42 | abrotman | gnu-man: I don't need it, but thank you |
| 22:15.05 | gnu-man | abrotman: what I mean is that this is mentioned in the wiki page for debian repository setup. |
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| 22:15.17 | abrotman | gnu-man: what are you actually trying to do ? |
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| 22:15.40 | gnu-man | abrotman: I want to set up a repository, I am not sure what tool is the right one. |
| 22:15.49 | abrotman | dpkg: tell gnu-man about own repository |
| 22:15.53 | gnu-man | abrotman: yes |
| 22:16.23 | gnu-man | abrotman: But do reprepro / mini-dinstall use the trival or the official format? Because this will influence the secure-apt and apt-pinning feature. |
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| 22:17.41 | themill | gnu-man: reprepro works just fine |
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| 22:19.05 | aktau | gnu-man: freight is working awesomely on my installs |
| 22:19.23 | aktau | gnu-man: it creates a signed apt repo you can drop in your web dir with no issues |
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| 22:19.39 | aktau | gnu-man: and is easy to configure and setup to boot |
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| 22:20.16 | gnu-man | themill: but reprepro doesn't support multiple versions for one package |
| 22:20.23 | gnu-man | themill: but this I need |
| 22:20.43 | aktau | gnu-man: try freight instead |
| 22:20.45 | themill | gnu-man: why do you need that? apt doesn't really like it |
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| 22:22.04 | gnu-man | themill: there are two instances of lxc container, both use different setup, each is tested for a different version of some package. |
| 22:22.18 | gnu-man | themill: so container A should still use an older package then container B |
| 22:22.27 | themill | sounds like it should be in two different repos |
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| 22:24.11 | gnu-man | themill: I thought about one central repo for the whole infrastructure |
| 22:24.26 | gnu-man | themill: but if the approach having multiple repos is more elegant, I would of course use it |
| 22:25.55 | Wixy | ah, I just remembered in Windows there used to be a tool to uninstall programs that was pretty good, because only "normal" apps were listed, abrotman |
| 22:26.04 | Wixy | I guess they kept it |
| 22:26.17 | Wixy | it's impossible without it, there are too many packages |
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| 22:27.32 | jaami | using eclipse to create android project, just created one from wizard and did not change even a single character in the generated helloworld app, but i am getting errors, Error executing aapt |
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| 22:28.36 | gnu-man | abrotman: so for each container there should be one repository? |
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| 22:28.41 | gnu-man | abrotman: or for each version? |
| 22:28.43 | abrotman | gnu-man: seems reasonable |
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| 22:28.58 | gnu-man | abrotman: and when many containers share the same package? |
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| 22:30.00 | gnu-man | abrotman: so it doesn't really matter whether mini-dinstall uses the trivial or the official format because it won't influence the functionality? |
| 22:30.00 | themill | gnu-man: or use different package names for the different packages. It doesn't sound like you could upgrade from one version to another so it perhaps doesn't make much sense to have them with the same name and different versions |
| 22:30.39 | gnu-man | themill: those are mostly recompiled packages. For example, squid-ssl which simply is deb-src squid rebuilt with ssl enabled. |
| 22:30.56 | gnu-man | themill: but there can be multiple squid versions and so multiple squid-ssl versions |
| 22:31.18 | themill | how can there be multiple squid versions? |
| 22:31.40 | themill | Debian only does one version of squid in any release. |
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| 22:32.19 | gnu-man | themill: but why does apt-get upgrade lists packages to be upgraded from time to time? Oh, I think I misunderstood something. |
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| 22:35.47 | gnu-man | themill: so different versions means something different than the versions which are compared during apt-get upgrade? |
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| 22:38.45 | babilen | gnu-man: If you upgrade you have two versions. The first is the locally installed and outdated version that is no longer available from your repository or has been superseded by a newer version in another repository that you have configured (e.g. security for stable) |
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| 22:40.21 | Jeeves_Moss | I have a master/slave setup currently configed, and I'm getting "zone TessaWhite.ca/IN/internal: refresh: unexpected rcode (SERVFAIL) from master" What am I doing wrong here? |
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| 22:45.30 | gnu-man | babilen: alright, so that multi-version private repository would only make sense if the older packages are still maintained, right? |
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| 22:46.04 | gnu-man | babilen: what if container A can safely upgrade but container B can't, it would break something |
| 22:46.15 | gnu-man | babilen: in this case both package versions have to be provided. |
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| 22:50.58 | babilen | gnu-man: Why would one "container" be able to upgrade while the other won't? That hints at bad development style ... Think of your program FOO as being available in version 1 and 2. All you would did would be to maintain security upgrades to both versions and make those available in appropriate repositories (e.g. A-security abd B-security) |
| 22:51.21 | babilen | *do |
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| 22:56.31 | gnu-man | babilen: there could be the case where some php scripts would break when upgrading one minor (this shouldn't happen with minors), but this happens with PHP sometimes. |
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| 22:57.40 | babilen | I should have known that it will boil down to PHP -- But then you shouldn't maintain PHP yourself anyway :) |
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| 22:58.27 | gnu-man | babilen: Yes. :) But I had this problem with other packages, too. So I want to avoid this. |
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| 23:08.39 | woshty | what ocr engine do i want to use? cuneiform, gocr or tesseract? |
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| 23:12.30 | gnu-man | Question: Does mini-dinstall use trivial or official repository format? |
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| 23:13.06 | themill | gnu-man: nothing other than the wiki page you have linked to uses that terminology. You'd have to look at the mini-dinstall documentation or try it out yourself |
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| 23:13.38 | gnu-man | themill: but apt-pinning and secure apt (custom key) will still work, right? |
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| 23:14.05 | themill | !tias |
| 23:14.05 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 23:16.32 | gnu-man | hm, it is less costly to gather this information using man or irc than to fuss around found at a later, much more critical moment that some feature doesn't work or not as expected. |
| 23:17.33 | abrotman | or just try it |
| 23:18.05 | gnu-man | abrotman: ok |
| 23:18.08 | gnu-man | abrotman: just trying it out now |
| 23:18.35 | gnu-man | abrotman: With SecureAPT they (the docs, that wiki page) mean that packages are signed and verified, right? |
| 23:18.45 | gnu-man | *verified before install |
| 23:19.00 | metalliqaz | Hey i configured the exim MTA to be an "internet site" as described here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s05.html.en Unfortunately, outbound mail just sits in the queue and I don't know how to troubleshoot it. any ideas? |
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| 23:21.06 | drasko | hi all. What's the recommended size for Debian system paritition? |
| 23:21.20 | drasko | I'd like to have system on one partition, and /home on another |
| 23:21.28 | abrotman | We can't answer that without knowning the purpose of the system |
| 23:21.36 | drasko | desktop |
| 23:21.56 | drasko | home PC |
| 23:22.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | drasko: any particular reason you wish to partition in the first place? |
| 23:22.29 | drasko | Well, I thought that if something gows wrong, I can only replace (reinstall with delete) system part |
| 23:22.30 | dvs | Eduard_Munteanu: putting /home on it's own partition is a good idea. |
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| 23:22.39 | somiaj | drasko: I am using 10gigs on my root partition. This includes logs and the files downloaded by apt |
| 23:22.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | Sometimes, but why in this case? |
| 23:22.53 | drasko | and then point system to the mount home partition unde /home |
| 23:22.58 | somiaj | drasko: I would say 10gigs and you may one day have to make it bigger, I made mine 30Gig, 20Gig could be enough to |
| 23:23.04 | antithesis__ | Is there any project to get Unity working on Debian? |
| 23:23.08 | gnu-man | metalliqaz: have you checked the logs? |
| 23:23.10 | dvs | Eduard_Munteanu: In case you have to reinstall and don't want to erase all your user files. |
| 23:23.13 | gnu-man | metalliqaz: no bounce mails? |
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| 23:23.31 | dvs | drasko: Yeah, 10 to 20GB is a good size. |
| 23:23.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | dvs: you can just erase everything but /home and not format, though |
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| 23:23.44 | metalliqaz | gnu-man: logs empty |
| 23:23.49 | gnu-man | metalliqaz: Normally it has to be set up as a smarthost, otherwise most MDAs won't accept it. |
| 23:23.49 | metalliqaz | not bounches, that I can tell |
| 23:24.05 | drasko | Is this possible - i.e. to replace the system partition, and then later mountning old home partition under /home? |
| 23:24.08 | dvs | Eduard_Munteanu: what if you do need to reformat? Then home will be toast. |
| 23:24.10 | gnu-man | metalliqaz: does exim run at all? |
| 23:24.13 | gnu-man | metalliqaz: restart it |
| 23:24.25 | drasko | and is this a good practice to do it like this, or should I keep all my system on one partition? |
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| 23:24.32 | metalliqaz | i don't know anything about exim, just following the debian manual |
| 23:24.57 | metalliqaz | okay i restarted exim |
| 23:25.00 | metalliqaz | nothin |
| 23:25.06 | dvs | drasko: If a home system, I'd make /home a separate partition |
| 23:25.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | dvs: why would I really need to format? The only reason I can think of is changing the filesystem, but then I'll likely want to change it for /home too. |
| 23:25.11 | somiaj | drasko: everyone has their own preference. My suggestion is just what you are doing, two partitions, / and /home |
| 23:25.29 | tuxy | can someone tell me the default ipv6 configuration in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 23:25.36 | somiaj | drasko: I even put lots of non debian binaries like my wine games and various other large things i have in /home/foo despite it not being a user. |
| 23:25.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | tuxy: I don't think there is any |
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| 23:25.47 | dvs | Eduard_Munteanu: If you have to reinstall from scratch, Debian will wipe out your root directory |
| 23:26.07 | gnu-man | metalliqaz: the logs are empty? all logs? |
| 23:26.09 | drasko | somiaj, so, if system breaks, I can just reinstall / part, and keep my /home? |
| 23:26.12 | gnu-man | metalliqaz: enable debug mode? |
| 23:26.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | dvs: doesn't it do that only if you ask it to reformat? IIRC that's just an option |
| 23:26.21 | metalliqaz | gnu-man: just the mail logs |
| 23:26.24 | metalliqaz | gnu-man: how? |
| 23:26.35 | tuxy | Eduard_Munteanu, you mean there is no default advertisement/broadcast if ipv6 is available? |
| 23:26.42 | somiaj | drasko: correct. |
| 23:26.44 | tuxy | i thought ipv6 was enabled by default in wheezy |
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| 23:27.15 | gnu-man | metalliqaz: http://www.exim.org/exim-html-3.20/doc/html/spec_51.html |
| 23:27.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | tuxy: IPv6 doesn't require any broadcast as in IPv4 |
| 23:27.29 | gnu-man | metalliqaz: does it log to syslog instead? check the main log file. |
| 23:27.38 | gnu-man | metalliqaz: /var/log/syslog |
| 23:27.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | tuxy: normally it listens for router advertisement automatically |
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| 23:28.06 | metalliqaz | oh |
| 23:28.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | tuxy: and the address you see in ifconfig is the link-local address which is automatically generated |
| 23:28.13 | metalliqaz | its /var/log/exim |
| 23:28.44 | tuxy | Eduard_Munteanu, I have something that I configured manually which doesn't seem to be accessible from the outside, but the gateway is perfectly accessible |
| 23:28.49 | dvs | Eduard_Munteanu: True, but installing over an existing system may not be enough. Like if the file system gets corrupted. |
| 23:29.12 | metalliqaz | ugh |
| 23:29.15 | metalliqaz | connection timed out |
| 23:29.22 | metalliqaz | q:q |
| 23:29.29 | freeroute | I can't seem to scp into a local machine, the key is fine, I know the phrase (although it doesn't ask me that) but it just fails. Here's the log - http://scp.kpaste.net/c6ca |
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| 23:30.34 | freeroute | what am I doing so wrongly, to deserve the punishment of permission denial? |
| 23:30.49 | tuxy | Eduard_Munteanu, http://pastie.org/private/ff8g9twsxu7kib1fx3afq |
| 23:30.50 | somiaj | freeroute: your webby user has permisions to write files in /, I highly doubt it and you should see the /myfile.zip permission deined line |
| 23:30.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | dvs: yeah, but /home is often the largest and most often accessed. And users tend to care about /home which is also more likely to get hosed anyway. |
| 23:31.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | tuxy: the Link one is the link-local address and likely you got the Global one as a router advertisment |
| 23:31.36 | freeroute | somiaj: doesn't scp default into webby's homedir? |
| 23:31.47 | gnu-man | metalliqaz: connection to what timed out? |
| 23:31.56 | somiaj | freeroute: look at the command he typed, he specifically told it to copy to root |
| 23:31.59 | somiaj | freeroute: to / |
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| 23:33.01 | tuxy | Eduard_Munteanu, yea. but I'm unable to access it from the outside |
| 23:33.12 | somiaj | freeroute: webby@192.168.1.52:/webby@192.168.1.52:/, remove the slash off of that |
| 23:33.13 | freeroute | somiaj: heh, I thought it was the root of webby's home dir, because when I ssh into the local remote I just get ssh'd into the home dir like that. I tried now to specify the absolute(?) path and now it succeeded. |
| 23:33.40 | freeroute | thanks :) |
| 23:33.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | dvs: I personally avoid partitioning installs, especially for normal desktops, because I don't want to bother estimating space. |
| 23:33.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | tuxy: using what address? |
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| 23:34.11 | metalliqaz | gnu-man: the remote smtp server |
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| 23:34.55 | somiaj | freeroute: but you were actually specifing where you want it copied, not letting it default (:' |
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| 23:35.34 | dvs | Eduard_Munteanu: To each their own but /home is the only one I *do* make a separate partition for in home systems. |
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| 23:36.02 | tuxy | Eduard_Munteanu, just any on the outside |
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| 23:36.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | tuxy: I don't understand. Don't try using the Link address, that's not accessible from the outside. |
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| 23:37.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | dvs: I see. Interestingly it's one reason I first tried btrfs, but not for /home. Rather so I could avoid performance concerns regarding /usr/portage and /var in Gentoo. |
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| 23:37.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | Avoid concerns and avoid partitioning, that is. |
| 23:38.52 | tuxy | Eduard_Munteanu, so, the ::1 is the gateway |
| 23:39.00 | tuxy | ::2 is configured as one ipv6 for use |
| 23:39.11 | tuxy | I can access ::1, but not ::2 or any other that I configure |
| 23:39.15 | tuxy | and I'm trying to figure out why |
| 23:39.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | tuxy: ::1 is *you*, not the gateway :) |
| 23:39.50 | tuxy | it's actually the gagteway on the switch for my server |
| 23:39.53 | tuxy | so technically me |
| 23:40.01 | zinx | ::1 is ipv6 localhost |
| 23:40.29 | antithesis__ | If I want to install a sid package on testing, why does the FAQ tell me to install from source, and not just pre-built binaries? |
| 23:40.32 | tuxy | no, ::1 is gateway because I can ping it from outside |
| 23:40.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | tuxy: only if you mean fe80::1 |
| 23:40.52 | zinx | no, ::1 is ipv6 localhost, you can ping it on any machine with ipv6 that's not ignoring itself. |
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| 23:41.38 | zinx | tuxy: or do you consider 127.0.0.1 to also be the gateway? |
| 23:41.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | antithesis__: because it's the right thing to do in many cases. Sid packages may depend on libs you don't have on testing |
| 23:41.57 | atari314 | anyone using midori as web browser? |
| 23:42.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | antithesis__: and which can't be installed anyway |
| 23:42.11 | tuxy | zinx, no, I meant the 2001...::1 |
| 23:42.19 | tuxy | Eduard_Munteanu, ^ |
| 23:42.30 | zinx | well, that's quite different |
| 23:42.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | tuxy: have you looked at the routing table to confirm it? |
| 23:42.45 | antithesis__ | So what's a source installation going to do to help that Eduard_Munteanu ? |
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| 23:43.04 | antithesis__ | Am I supposed to install Iceweasel from source? That thing's a monster! |
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| 23:43.10 | abrotman | antithesis__: versoining .... |
| 23:43.16 | EgonX | Hello all? |
| 23:43.17 | abrotman | antithesis__: see mozilla.debian.net |
| 23:43.27 | abrotman | antithesis__: or wait a few days |
| 23:43.45 | Eduard_Munteanu | antithesis__: suppose you want to install a package X on testing. X from sid depends on libfoo.so.3, while testing has libfoo.so.2. |
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| 23:44.04 | drasko | should / partition have bootable flag on or off? |
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| 23:44.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | antithesis__: FWIW, it doesn't take very long to compile, at least on Gentoo. |
| 23:44.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | *on my Gentoo |
| 23:44.29 | drasko | Or only EFIboot partition has to have bootable flag ON? |
| 23:44.51 | antithesis__ | Eduard_Munteanu, so how come I can get a Firefox binary from Mozilla itself without any problems? |
| 23:44.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | antithesis__: say 0.5 - 1 hr tops? |
| 23:45.17 | EgonX | can anyone give me a good idea how to partition this hard drive to do the Debian install? |
| 23:45.30 | abrotman | EgonX: the installation manual has some guidelines I believe |
| 23:45.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | antithesis__: likely they package the libraries too, or only depend on libs that change .so numbers infrequently, say libc. |
| 23:45.36 | abrotman | antithesis__: see mozilla.debian.net |
| 23:46.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | drasko: the bootable flag doesn't really matter for GRUB and the likes |
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| 23:46.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | drasko: and it only matters for /boot anyway, if at all. |
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| 23:47.16 | antithesis__ | Right, thanks abrotman |
| 23:48.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | It only matters for things like Windows bootloaders that place a chainloading-only bootloader in the MBR, which invokes boot code from the bootable-marked (also called "active") partition. |
| 23:49.45 | wolfmitchell | So I'm working on setting up Compiz from source, but when I do simple-ccsm to configure it, I get "ImportError: No module named ccsm" |
| 23:49.51 | wolfmitchell | Where can I get the ccsm module? |
| 23:50.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | wolfmitchell: have you tried apt-cache search python ccsm (with or without python)? |
| 23:50.30 | wolfmitchell | yeah |
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| 23:51.07 | wolfmitchell | erm, ccm* |
| 23:51.32 | abrotman | thought Compiz was dead |
| 23:51.39 | zinx | it is |
| 23:52.58 | wolfmitchell | I just like the effects and stuff |
| 23:53.10 | wolfmitchell | i found that no other compositor is as good so... |
| 23:54.07 | abrotman | perhaps try #compiz, it was removed from Debian for a reason |
| 23:54.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | remembers there was a fork of compiz with some other name |
| 23:54.46 | bitwize | Beryl? |
| 23:54.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | Yes. |
| 23:55.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | Also compiz-fusion at some point, possibly fusing with Beryl. |
| 23:55.35 | abrotman | bitwize: even more dead |
| 23:56.41 | bitwize | Most compositors are legacy now that Wayland has attracted serious development |
| 23:56.51 | zinx | can't we all just use twm |
| 23:57.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | You likely mean Weston as a compositor, I suppose. |
| 23:57.35 | bitwize | Well, there will be kwm and mutter too |
| 23:57.35 | Belial` | i thought weston was just a reference? |
| 23:57.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | Yeah. |
| 23:57.48 | Belial` | i don't think weston is going to be used all that much. |
| 23:58.07 | bitwize | The problem is that X11 doesn't really support compositing, so compositors on it are ugly hacks with a built-in EOL |
| 23:58.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | I probably will, I'm using xmonad as a WM anyway. :P |
| 23:58.14 | zinx | you can pry X11 from my cold dead fingers |
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| 23:59.40 | bitwize | zinx: hope you like old software :) |
| 23:59.58 | zinx | i do, as a matter of fact :P |
