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| 00:02.19 | Amok_Huginnsson | Hello. How can I enable/disable bluetooth device from command line as ordinary - non-root user? |
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| 00:04.33 | hakr | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/90352/using-command-line-linux-how-do-i-enable-the-bluetooth-adapter |
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| 00:04.58 | abrotman | that requires root |
| 00:05.10 | abrotman | or sudo at least |
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| 00:08.04 | Amok_Huginnsson | I have gui app (blueman) which can do it, I suspect that is uses dbus to do that, but I was unable to figure out what message and how to send to get what I want. |
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| 00:09.48 | Amok_Huginnsson | hakr: just like abrotman said, solution from your link requires root privileges. |
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| 00:18.42 | sasha_ | How do you take a screenshot? I have gnome 3 |
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| 00:19.33 | tpomx | Help! my xfce session won't show nothing but the wallpaper and the mouse, which works. I selected the qt4 theme in the appearance settings and it all windows disappeared. Now every time I log in I see nothing but wallpaper and mouse |
| 00:20.07 | sasha_ | tpomx, you can run xfce4-panel in the shell |
| 00:20.08 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 00:20.35 | ShapeShifter499 | has anyone here got a debian setup on a pogoplug pro? |
| 00:21.31 | tpomx | sasha_ I can't run anything. If I press alt+f2 the window appears for a moment and it dissapears |
| 00:21.33 | Dan39 | abrotman: doesnt seem to be for me... thought it was in past. all i see is killall5 |
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| 00:22.07 | sasha_ | tpomx, re-install, did you install a display manager like gdm3 or lightdm? |
| 00:22.36 | sasha_ | tpomx, what about right click, doesn't it show a menu? |
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| 00:22.52 | tpomx | saaha_ |
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| 00:23.16 | tpomx | sasha_ i'm using xdm, right click shows nothing |
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| 00:24.03 | sasha_ | tpomx, looks like its not installed, or something even worse if you can't even get to the text terminal |
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| 00:25.15 | tpomx | sasha_ what is not installed? |
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| 00:27.53 | abrotman | Dan39: psmisc package |
| 00:28.02 | tpomx | okay I logges in into another user by killing xfce4-session as root on tty1 and ran the appearance settings as my user with gksu, changed theme and incould log in normally |
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| 00:31.41 | tpomx | how do i fix this? i don't want my session to go berserk everytime I select the qt4 style |
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| 00:43.47 | xeon827 | how does one customize the debian environment |
| 00:43.50 | xeon827 | to make it look minimalist |
| 00:43.59 | abrotman | GUI or CLI ? |
| 00:44.20 | xeon827 | not sure |
| 00:44.25 | xeon827 | i think gui |
| 00:44.32 | xeon827 | i mean aesthetically |
| 00:45.25 | xeon827 | i see some cool debian environments on /wg/ |
| 00:45.28 | xeon827 | no clue how to make them |
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| 00:47.57 | phy1729 | xeon827: research window managers and desktop enviroments; pick one you like |
| 00:48.01 | blackjack | why is yum sooo rookie and apt-get so profesional |
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| 00:54.04 | aktau | Hey guys :) |
| 00:54.24 | aktau | I'm running a few units on debian (kind off media appliances) |
| 00:54.36 | aktau | And it relies on the chromium browser and an NPAPI plugin |
| 00:54.48 | aktau | I find it pretty awesome that debian is keeping chromium pretty up to date |
| 00:55.01 | aktau | But as the chromium team has announced NPAPI depreciation I'm a bit worried |
| 00:55.10 | aktau | Will debian just update willy-nilly and remove NPAPI as well? |
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| 00:56.25 | Dan39 | aktau: what vdrsion, testing, unstable? |
| 00:56.34 | aktau | Debian wheezy (stable) |
| 00:56.51 | Dan39 | id say no then |
| 00:56.54 | aktau | It's right now on chromium 31, which is much more bleeding edge than most packages from stable |
| 00:57.05 | aktau | It seems that webbrowsers are excepted from the rule |
| 00:57.10 | aktau | It updated at a ferocious pace |
| 00:57.16 | aktau | Which is the only reason I'm worried, really |
| 00:57.32 | Dan39 | interesting |
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| 00:57.56 | Dan39 | everything in stable ive seen doesnt update except for security/bug fixes |
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| 00:58.58 | aktau | Dan39: yep, except for browsers :) |
| 00:59.04 | rjsalts | chromium 31 is security fix |
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| 00:59.27 | aktau | Yes but it also includes new features, and in the case of NPAPI, will remove one |
| 00:59.34 | aktau | Which is not what I'd call "stable" |
| 00:59.46 | Dan39 | i doubt they would do it then |
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| 01:00.21 | Dan39 | they are usually really careful with things like that, but yea with something like chromium i dont know |
| 01:00.22 | aktau | Well I sure hope so, because otherwise I'm going to have a lot of angry people calling me |
| 01:01.04 | Dan39 | use mozilla, win. |
| 01:01.12 | themill | that some packages have to be updated to new versions to provide security support is detailed in the release notes |
| 01:01.23 | aktau | I'm working in my spare time to transition to firefox/iceweasel |
| 01:01.39 | aktau | But the app was made specifically for chromium, so it's going pretty slowly (don't have a lot of time) |
| 01:01.39 | Dan39 | oh noz |
| 01:01.59 | Dan39 | you forgot the little TM next to it when you said that word |
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| 01:05.48 | aktau | Ok, I'll hope for the best then |
| 01:05.50 | aktau | thanks guys! |
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| 01:12.27 | NetEcho | Does the debian installer have support for a Atheros AR9002WB-1NG wireless chipset? |
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| 01:12.45 | NetEcho | specifically the small stable cd |
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| 01:13.06 | abrotman | does it require firmware? |
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| 01:14.36 | NetEcho | abrotman not sure it's on a Zbox nano AD10 which I'm trying to repurpose - USB boot install |
| 01:14.50 | NetEcho | abrotman how would I determine that? |
| 01:14.59 | abrotman | ask the internets? |
| 01:15.30 | NetEcho | been googling around will keep trying :) RTFM NetEcho you f*ing newb :P |
| 01:17.09 | NetEcho | abrotman I'm finding references to firmware-realtek_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb |
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| 01:18.00 | NetEcho | I'm assuming I need to put it into the install usb however I don't currently have a deb system to grab it with |
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| 01:19.05 | NetEcho | or firmware-atheros |
| 01:19.47 | NetEcho | I suppose I shall need to use ethernet cable from this system :( |
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| 01:20.24 | pirret | wifi suck anyway :) |
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| 01:20.39 | pirret | slow, unreliable, unsafe |
| 01:20.39 | NetEcho | pirret physical restriction |
| 01:20.46 | pirret | mmh |
| 01:20.52 | NetEcho | this box will be going in the living room as a media server |
| 01:21.00 | NetEcho | my system is the only wired one in the house |
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| 01:21.05 | pirret | i see |
| 01:21.24 | NetEcho | if I had a tv/monitor in the other room I could go work next to the router but thats bunk :( |
| 01:22.23 | abrotman | NetEcho: you can surely remove the cable for the install |
| 01:22.52 | NetEcho | hrm maybe I have a wifi dongle to use until install is done :) |
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| 01:23.24 | starfscker | Howdy folks |
| 01:23.58 | starfscker | So, I got a questiona nd I'm not very optimistic about it |
| 01:24.05 | NetEcho | yay |
| 01:24.19 | NetEcho | I knew I kept that old dlink adapter for a reason heh |
| 01:24.21 | starfscker | Is it possible to install a 64 bit kernel when I'm already rollin' with the PAE kernel? |
| 01:24.50 | starfscker | along with everything else I need to do the 64 bit thang? |
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| 01:25.12 | NetEcho | brb |
| 01:25.16 | gionny | gravity |
| 01:27.07 | abrotman | starfscker: you mean a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userland? |
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| 01:27.29 | starfscker | that question made the entire question seem fruitless. |
| 01:27.37 | starfscker | nevermind. I am sad. |
| 01:27.40 | paulmonochrome | hi all |
| 01:27.51 | paulmonochrome | i need some help |
| 01:27.56 | starfscker | what's wrong? |
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| 01:29.33 | paulmonochrome | im using apt-build, and i wrote some script for it |
| 01:30.41 | paulmonochrome | by default apt-build can't get list of packages for rebuilding |
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| 01:33.30 | starfscker | I can't help you, sorry. |
| 01:33.37 | paulmonochrome | and my script gets it from |dpkg --get-selections' and collect already built packages in file |
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| 01:34.20 | NetEcho | weird now my system can't read my USB drive :@ |
| 01:34.30 | NetEcho | hopefully it hasn't finally failed on me |
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| 01:36.42 | paulmonochrome | so...i need to get list of packages by source (like in synaptic "Origin > Local") |
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| 01:38.29 | NetEcho | probably should have just gone in to work to make this easier heh |
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| 01:45.29 | xeon827 | anyone know a good easy to install webcam software/package for debian wheezy 7? |
| 01:45.42 | abrotman | paulmonochrome: maybe grep-dctrl and friends |
| 01:45.47 | abrotman | xeon827: cheese? |
| 01:45.56 | xeon827 | apt-get install cheese? |
| 01:46.17 | xeon827 | alright |
| 01:48.31 | xeon827 | i don't understand this |
| 01:48.33 | xeon827 | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/i386/cheese/download |
| 01:48.50 | xeon827 | add the line in sources.list then type apt-get install cheese_3.4.202)i386.deb? |
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| 01:49.42 | themill | dpkg: tell xeon827 about debian handbook |
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| 01:56.03 | paulmonochrome | abrotman: thanks =) |
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| 02:03.04 | byte-smasher_ | so, say someone wanted to create a development VM that was as close in configuration to a remotely hosted production VPS as possible... how would one go about that in the easiest most foolproof way possible? |
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| 02:15.43 | alekz | Hi! Anyone Testing/3.2.0-4/iPhone 5s who knows about the "Trust issue"? |
| 02:16.30 | NetEcho | Debian runs on the iphone now? |
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| 02:16.46 | alekz | Oh no, I can't make Debian to recognize my iPhone |
| 02:16.52 | NetEcho | oh |
| 02:17.04 | NetEcho | yea thats definitely the trust bs apple implemented |
| 02:17.06 | alekz | previous iPhone worked well |
| 02:17.17 | dvs | ??? |
| 02:17.34 | alekz | I've done some search work, and there's a bug in launchpad for ubuntu |
| 02:17.35 | NetEcho | I avoid plugging my iphone in even under mac because it annoys me by asking me if I trust it lol |
| 02:17.50 | alekz | I see... |
| 02:18.00 | NetEcho | it's an iOS 7 feature |
| 02:18.02 | alekz | I just have debian based systems |
| 02:18.05 | alekz | I can't add music |
| 02:18.06 | alekz | :/ |
| 02:18.10 | abrotman | alekz: which OS? |
| 02:18.19 | alekz | iOS 7.0.3 |
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| 02:18.26 | NetEcho | wasn't aware you could load music without itunes |
| 02:18.48 | alekz | sorry, 7.0.4 |
| 02:19.05 | NetEcho | ouu new update |
| 02:19.13 | abrotman | alekz: which Linux? |
| 02:19.15 | alekz | NetEcho, I have a Windows XP running under vbox for some work software and iTunes |
| 02:19.22 | alekz | abrotman, Debian Testing |
| 02:19.42 | NetEcho | alekz does the newest itunes even run under xp? |
| 02:19.54 | alekz | NetEcho, it does |
| 02:19.57 | NetEcho | wow |
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| 02:20.40 | NetEcho | it was quite annoying not being able to load music to my phone when I was running the GM dev rel of 7.0 before the itunes update |
| 02:20.56 | abrotman | stop supporting apple, problem solved |
| 02:21.02 | alekz | this is starting to be annoying after a couple weeks |
| 02:21.28 | alekz | and a lot of work and school, not so much time for a powerfull search |
| 02:21.29 | NetEcho | abrotman that was my own fault for using a leaked copy of the os before the software support was public heh |
| 02:21.40 | alekz | lol |
| 02:22.04 | NetEcho | phone wise I can't see myself using anything other than an iphone tbh\ |
| 02:22.24 | NetEcho | especially since we use iPhone's and iPads for work |
| 02:22.33 | NetEcho | Facetime is really handy |
| 02:22.39 | alekz | this is my third iPhone, and it wont be my last |
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| 02:22.53 | NetEcho | alekz same 3g, 4, 5 |
| 02:23.04 | alekz | 4g, 4, 5s now |
| 02:23.07 | alekz | I waited |
| 02:23.10 | NetEcho | I might switch it up and start going for the S releases |
| 02:23.14 | abrotman | NetEcho: Android has the same thing |
| 02:23.22 | abrotman | and it's actually cross platform |
| 02:23.29 | NetEcho | abrotman but my company isn't about to swap all their hardware heh |
| 02:23.43 | NetEcho | I have to beg them to replace dead hardware as it is |
| 02:23.44 | abrotman | their loss |
| 02:23.48 | NetEcho | indeed their loss |
| 02:24.05 | NetEcho | which is why I bought my own work pc setup since I wasn't about to deal with an old P4 system |
| 02:24.05 | abrotman | alekz: anyway .. did you see the debian wiki ? |
| 02:24.18 | abrotman | alekz: wiki.debian.org/iPhone |
| 02:24.23 | alekz | yes abrotman, already done for my previous iPhone |
| 02:24.24 | NetEcho | abrotman whats the android version called? |
| 02:24.39 | alekz | just checked 15min before |
| 02:24.46 | alekz | I'm in the forums not |
| 02:24.48 | alekz | *now |
| 02:24.56 | abrotman | NetEcho: Hangouts? |
| 02:24.58 | NetEcho | my next upgrade probably won't be for another year or two so I may just decide to go android by then |
| 02:25.17 | abrotman | stops being offtopic |
| 02:25.23 | NetEcho | does as well |
| 02:25.34 | NetEcho | Ty abrotman |
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| 02:26.12 | NetEcho | god I haven't seen a deb install take this long in years lol |
| 02:26.24 | NetEcho | guess that little HTPC is slow as a turtle |
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| 02:36.38 | alekz | I'll try 3.9 |
| 02:36.40 | alekz | brb |
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| 02:39.45 | dabgotra | if I installed a new wireless PC card in my laptop, and switched the three attennas, how do I know debian is using the new card (wireless is working, but old card is stuck in laptop)? |
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| 02:42.15 | alekz | Same :/ |
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| 02:45.20 | Dai-Roze | Hi, I'm not too familiar with debian, but non the less, my server runs it, and I thought I'd update it just some 30 minutes ago, and the window that popped up when clicking the red "updates available" button disapeared as soon as it opened and neither do I seem to be able to open the package manager window |
| 02:45.38 | abrotman | window? server? |
| 02:45.54 | NetEcho | lol |
| 02:45.55 | Dai-Roze | virtual pc, x-mode to be slightly easier for me |
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| 02:46.16 | abrotman | open a terminal, "aptitude update;aptitude safe-upgrade" |
| 02:46.19 | abrotman | as root |
| 02:46.30 | Dai-Roze | however I decided to run aptitude safe-upgrade, but it has been calculating dependencies for 24 minutes now |
| 02:46.31 | NetEcho | generally easier to run a server without the desktop environment if you need front end support use a web interface such as webmin |
| 02:47.04 | Dai-Roze | counting at 24000 closed and 70000 open, is that normal? |
| 02:47.25 | Dai-Roze | *24000 open, 70000 closed, |
| 02:48.10 | Dai-Roze | well, I'm not that used to linux, and I thought a gui would be of assistance |
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| 02:49.24 | themill | !show sources.list Dai-Roze |
| 02:49.25 | dpkg | Dai-Roze: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
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| 02:52.45 | NetEcho | oh apt.. how I have missed you |
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| 02:54.39 | Dai-Roze | sources.list.d/ is empty |
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| 02:57.31 | Dai-Roze | dpkg: http://pastebin.com/DjsLz8PV |
| 02:57.31 | dpkg | Dai-Roze: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 02:58.03 | Dai-Roze | * themill |
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| 02:58.32 | themill | glares at chanserv |
| 02:58.32 | abrotman | you missed? |
| 02:58.53 | abrotman | oh, that's a bad sources.list |
| 02:58.54 | orzo_ | What's the recommended way to version a set of packages meant to replace debian's if i'm forming a distro based on debian? |
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| 02:58.58 | NetEcho | I've installed firmware-atheros and firmware-realtek to try and support my atheros ar9002wb-1ng however iwlist scan is still saying Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
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| 02:59.09 | abrotman | dpkg: themill++ |
| 02:59.17 | NetEcho | anything I'm missing here? |
| 02:59.17 | abrotman | he stopped cycling earlier |
| 02:59.32 | NetEcho | isn't Max SendQ from flooding? |
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| 02:59.42 | CameronNemo | I am having trouble with dput not finding a gpg key |
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| 03:01.17 | themill | Dai-Roze: you want to change "stable" in that sources.list to squeeze. Then apt-get update and aptitude upgrade. When you're ready to upgrade to wheezy, read the release notes and then do the upgrade. /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 03:01.52 | dvs | themill: nah, just delete line 9 |
| 03:02.18 | themill | yeah, that'd do too for a start |
| 03:02.48 | themill | CameronNemo: where are you planning to upload to? |
| 03:03.00 | CameronNemo | mentors |
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| 03:03.17 | themill | CameronNemo: and you have a gpg key and have uploaded the key to mentors already? |
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| 03:03.25 | CameronNemo | Yes |
| 03:03.43 | themill | CameronNemo: does your local gpg keyring not contain your own key? |
| 03:04.21 | CameronNemo | I think that may be it. Do I have to add the key to the keyring after creating it? |
| 03:04.25 | byte-smasher_ | I have a really strange question: Is it possible to configure sshd to only require keys for remote clients? .... and just allow passwords for localhost connections? |
| 03:05.18 | themill | CameronNemo: what does "gpg --status-fd 1 --verify foo.changes" say? |
| 03:06.02 | themill | CameronNemo: normally gpg would include the newly generated key. You're not logged in on another machine or logged in as another user? |
| 03:06.09 | CameronNemo | no valid OpenPGP data found |
| 03:06.23 | dondelelcaro | byte-smasher_: not sure why you'd do that, but yes, you can do that using Match subblocks |
| 03:06.25 | themill | ahh... can you pastebin your changes file? |
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| 03:07.16 | CameronNemo | Hold on. |
| 03:07.22 | byte-smasher_ | dondelelcaro: vmware vCenter Converter doesn't support connecting with ssh keys ... so I figure I can tunnel ssh to my local machine so my server thinks I'm connecting locally |
| 03:07.35 | NetEcho | is anyone able to assist with this wifi issue? |
| 03:07.38 | CameronNemo | I think I need to add the comment that I set for my gpg key, but not for the maintainer |
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| 03:07.41 | dondelelcaro | byte-smasher_: that sounds horribly broken that it can't use ssh keys |
| 03:08.02 | dondelelcaro | byte-smasher_: presumably though you could do the conection beforehand, and it could use the master connection |
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| 03:08.18 | byte-smasher_ | yah... no clue why they don't support keys |
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| 03:08.26 | dondelelcaro | NetEcho: you have to bring the interface up first before you can scan |
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| 03:09.26 | Dai-Roze | :D |
| 03:09.30 | NetEcho | dondelelcaro let me google the steps on that and get back to you if I'm still having issues ty for the direction |
| 03:09.37 | Dai-Roze | oracle-box, cant do | |
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| 03:11.12 | NetEcho | dondelelcaro do you think using the same static info I used for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces for wlan0 will pose a problem? |
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| 03:11.34 | dondelelcaro | NetEcho: you can just go ip link set wlan0 up; or similar |
| 03:11.44 | jetscreamer | waves |
| 03:12.02 | CameronNemo | themill: http://pastebin.com/V1ip3U3w |
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| 03:13.03 | themill | CameronNemo: yeah, so that file isn't signed yet. How did you build the package? Normally, you'd have your build system sign the package for you straight away -- you can sign that now with debsign |
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| 03:13.30 | CameronNemo | Ok, I tried with debsign, but that did not work. |
| 03:13.36 | alekz | I just found that my iPhone is accesible from root |
| 03:13.39 | alekz | nice clue |
| 03:13.40 | byte-smasher_ | dondelelcaro: can I just add a single IP that can log in with only password? |
| 03:13.42 | alekz | let me work on it |
| 03:14.06 | dondelelcaro | byte-smasher_: yes, using a Match block |
| 03:14.07 | CameronNemo | Wait. |
| 03:14.11 | CameronNemo | It did. |
| 03:14.14 | byte-smasher_ | cool |
| 03:14.24 | byte-smasher_ | *tries to figure out this match block thing* |
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| 03:14.49 | CameronNemo | So it works now. |
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| 03:15.02 | CameronNemo | Thanks, but I have no idea what happened. |
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| 03:15.50 | CameronNemo | So I used debuild. Is there a better way to build the deb? |
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| 03:16.13 | NetEcho | dondelelcaro I just did /etc/init.d/networking restart and now it's just doing DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 ... over and over |
| 03:16.24 | dondelelcaro | byte-smasher_: basically, Match Address 127.0.0.1/32\nPasswordAuthentication Yes; or something like that |
| 03:18.31 | NetEcho | it's scanning now btw |
| 03:18.36 | NetEcho | just can't seem to connect it |
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| 03:19.40 | dondelelcaro | NetEcho: what type of network are you connecting to? Do you see anything in the iwlist output? |
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| 03:20.12 | dondelelcaro | NetEcho: also, is there a reason you're not using network-manager or wicd or similar? |
| 03:20.57 | NetEcho | dondelelcaro command line |
| 03:21.02 | NetEcho | no desktop manager |
| 03:21.38 | NetEcho | this is going to be a Samba/DLNA media server for the living room |
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| 03:21.59 | dondelelcaro | NetEcho: OK. What type of wireless network is this? |
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| 03:22.44 | NetEcho | dondelelcaro WPA2, looks like it might be good now I rebooted the machine incase I botched something while trying to bring it up brb testing |
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| 03:23.37 | NetEcho | dondelelcaro it is indeed working my compliments for the right direction on this :) |
| 03:23.46 | dondelelcaro | NetEcho: then you'll have to configure wpa_supplicant, though presumably the installer did that for you |
| 03:24.11 | NetEcho | yea I configured that along with the interfaces |
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| 03:24.34 | NetEcho | now to set the static ip |
| 03:24.54 | NetEcho | just realized I usually do that from the router instead of the PC |
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| 03:25.07 | NetEcho | incase I bring the pc with me somewhere then it's auto dhcp |
| 03:25.17 | Dai-Roze | well, this is a virtual pc, I just backed up the hard-drive, here goes nothing |
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| 03:38.47 | dita | bermasalah dengan kartu kredit/ Kredit Tanpa agunan?? kami bantu PEMUTIHAN ( dibebas bayarkan ) hub. 021 9040 9949 |
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| 03:45.48 | Dai-Roze | 800 MB more for dist upgrade? :'( |
| 03:46.04 | dvs | sounds about right. |
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| 03:47.53 | Dai-Roze | will things like pptpd or danted stop working? |
| 03:48.07 | Dai-Roze | I did follow the instructions, no problems this far |
| 03:48.35 | jetscreamer | no more swat whee |
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| 03:53.39 | alekz | Ok, Vbox sees my iPhone in the settings usb list now |
| 03:53.40 | alekz | :) |
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| 04:01.36 | Dai-Roze | whats the approximate install time for dist upgrade ? |
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| 04:02.50 | well_laid_lawn | depends on net speed, cpu, hdd write speeds etc |
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| 04:03.44 | SPF | and the amount of packages you installed |
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| 04:03.59 | SPF | that need to be upgraded |
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| 04:07.18 | Dai-Roze | :) |
| 04:07.38 | Dai-Roze | 777 upgrade, ~600 new, 96 remove |
| 04:07.44 | Dai-Roze | Oracle Virtual Box |
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| 04:10.37 | Dai-Roze | hm... screen went black, cant see progress |
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| 04:10.51 | Dai-Roze | oh well, I go sleep, hopefully its done tomorrow |
| 04:10.52 | dvs | Dai-Roze: press Shift |
| 04:11.13 | Dai-Roze | nothing happens |
| 04:11.27 | Dai-Roze | except virtual box disk-access led is flashing |
| 04:16.11 | dabgotra | how can at least tell that my PCI-e card is being detected in any way? |
| 04:16.32 | dabgotra | i dont see any evidence in lspci that the bus even exists |
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| 04:47.16 | jeffrey3234 | if i'm using sendmail with the -v flag, and see this: 220 BAY0-MC4-F21.Bay0.hotmail.com Sending unsolicited commercial or bulk e-mail to Microsoft's computer network is prohibited. Other restrictions are found at http://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/anti-spam.mspx. Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:44:40 -0800 |
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| 04:47.43 | jeffrey3234 | is this just a warning, or is this the reason its not getting through? |
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| 04:48.45 | Bsims | I'd say warning and the reason is it thinks its spam |
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| 04:48.48 | jordanm | jeffrey3234: that just looks like a banner since it's part of a 220 |
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| 04:49.26 | jeffrey3234 | jordanm ok thanks |
| 04:49.45 | jordanm | jordanm: 220 is "SMTP ready". if that message came with say a 421, then that would mean you are being rejected |
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| 04:50.57 | jeffrey3234 | no 421 in the output |
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| 04:51.26 | jeffrey3234 | it says accecpted for delivery, but nothing comes through |
| 04:51.44 | jeffrey3234 | i had it working for a good 12 months |
| 04:52.16 | jordanm | you could paste the log |
| 04:52.37 | jeffrey3234 | then tried to setup postfix and host my own mail, couldnt get it going so i purged postfix, reinstalled sendmail, now it doesnt work |
| 04:52.43 | jeffrey3234 | yep one sec |
| 04:53.45 | jordanm | uhh.. you had problems configuring postfix so you installed sendmail? |
| 04:54.12 | jordanm | I have only used postfix a little but I can guarentee it's easier to configure than sendmail |
| 04:54.32 | jordanm | not that any SMTP server is really "easy" to configure |
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| 04:54.58 | Bsims | I was gonna say my prefered mailserver is qmail |
| 04:55.09 | Bsims | it at least has a human readable config file <g> |
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| 04:56.19 | JordanJ2 | Hello, Is there a way to restrict what users can see via ssh? |
| 04:57.08 | jordanm | Bsims: last time I looked at it (about 4-5 years ago) it couldn't do authenticated relay without patching the source code |
| 04:57.09 | jeffrey3234 | well i wanted to host my own mailserver with postfix, with sendmail just want to send single line perl/python script outputs if say ZFS health is degraded etc, |
| 04:57.11 | jeffrey3234 | http://pastebin.com/yjMLMBBL |
| 04:57.22 | jordanm | jeffrey3234: what are you trying to restrict them from seeing? |
| 04:57.35 | Bsims | jordanm: Ok fair enough, last time I played with a mailserver Potato was current |
| 04:57.47 | jeffrey3234 | huh? |
| 04:57.52 | jeffrey3234 | whos them? |
| 04:58.09 | jeffrey3234 | oh wrong guy |
| 04:58.53 | jeffrey3234 | but fresh ubuntu server, apt-get install sendmail, and it worked fine. |
| 04:58.53 | jordanm | jeffrey3234: well, you sent it and it was accepted |
| 04:59.03 | jordanm | jeffrey3234: check your spam filters ont eh remote end |
| 04:59.08 | Bsims | goes to play with bsd some more... xfs is just darned cool |
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| 05:00.04 | jordanm | xfs_repair ate a 20GB filesystem on me once :/ |
| 05:00.09 | xeon827 | anyone have experience using openbox on debian? |
| 05:00.19 | Bsims | er zfs not xfs typo |
| 05:00.21 | jordanm | redhat considers it stable enough to be the default fs in RHEL 7 though |
| 05:00.46 | jordanm | s/GB/TB/ |
| 05:00.51 | jeffrey3234 | egh, was using thunderbird for mail, it shows a different "junk" folder, checked hotmail.com and it worked |
| 05:00.52 | Bsims | jordanm: I remember when SuSE had reiserfs as default |
| 05:01.01 | jeffrey3234 | sorry for wasting ya time |
| 05:01.13 | jeffrey3234 | zfs on ubuntu is pretty slow |
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| 05:01.43 | Bsims | blazing fast on pc-bsd even in a VM |
| 05:01.46 | jeffrey3234 | using zfs_fuse |
| 05:01.56 | jeffrey3234 | yeah tested on solaris, it rocks |
| 05:02.08 | Bsims | jeffrey3234: have you tried pc-bsd yet? |
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| 05:02.36 | jeffrey3234 | Bsims actually never heard of it |
| 05:02.49 | Bsims | its like Ubuntu for freebsd... nice clean easy to use gui tools and sensible defaults that uses freebsd as a base |
| 05:03.06 | Bsims | its darn slick and nice |
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| 05:03.27 | Bsims | 100% binary packages if you don't want to bother with building ports etc |
| 05:03.31 | Skrufaze | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.38 | jeffrey3234 | one of our work webservers are freebsd, i struggle to install anythign on it |
| 05:03.50 | Skrufaze | waves |
| 05:03.52 | Bsims | pkg add packagename |
| 05:03.58 | jeffrey3234 | hmm that last bit does sound inticing |
| 05:04.36 | jeffrey3234 | i'll check it out, thanks! |
| 05:04.40 | Bsims | its basicaly the stability of bsd with the ease of use of apt |
| 05:04.44 | Skrufaze | nid help |
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| 05:05.06 | Bsims | well kinda sorta, and check out lifepreserver... its a gui for creating and restoring zfs snapshots |
| 05:05.41 | jeffrey3234 | it would be installed on N40L dont want gui |
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| 05:06.43 | zykotick9 | jeffrey3234: if you don't want a gui, then pc-bsd isn't for you |
| 05:07.04 | jeffrey3234 | zykotick9, cant remove the DE? |
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| 05:07.21 | zykotick9 | jeffrey3234: you might be able too.. but why not just run freebsd then? |
| 05:08.01 | jeffrey3234 | well what was mentioned above with pkg add packagename sounded good |
| 05:08.32 | zykotick9 | jeffrey3234: ahhh, that should be available in fbsd as well! they do have packages as well as ports! |
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| 05:09.05 | jeffrey3234 | zykotick9 i see, sorry only used it a handful of times, jails confused the hell out of me |
| 05:09.13 | jordanm | !ot |
| 05:09.13 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 05:22.36 | Kuroshita | Hey all, my debian install takes 5-10minutes to shut down, is there a way I can find out what is halting the process? It's a fresh install (stable) running gnome shell |
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| 05:23.53 | well_laid_lawn | tried shutting down from a tty ? |
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| 05:24.11 | Kuroshita | yeah poweroff shuts it down fine |
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| 05:24.52 | Kuroshita | that is, no lag, shutdown occurs straight away |
| 05:25.08 | well_laid_lawn | so it's gnome or gdm having issues then |
| 05:25.50 | well_laid_lawn | anything like rsync running ? |
| 05:26.00 | jeffrey3234 | whats syslog say? |
| 05:26.18 | Kuroshita | nope, fresh install |
| 05:26.55 | Kuroshita | syslog, not sure, I'm not in front of the computer atm (I'm at work on lunch) thought I'd see if anyone had some tips to help me troubleshoot this |
| 05:27.15 | Kuroshita | so check syslog? |
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| 05:27.59 | jeffrey3234 | i would, note the time you run halt, wait a few minutes after shutdown, so you can see a clear difference between shutdown and startup logs |
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| 05:31.24 | Kuroshita | yeah cool and syslog *should* report what caused the lag? |
| 05:31.51 | jeffrey3234 | well it has timestamps, so yeah you should be able to see whats taking so long |
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| 05:37.22 | shubbar | i am switching to debian, but grub got stuck now with error no such device |
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| 05:38.27 | SPF | shubbar: how did you configure grub? with UUID? |
| 05:39.14 | Kuroshita | jeffrey3234: awesome, thanks |
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| 05:39.23 | shubbar | just used the graphical installer |
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| 05:39.43 | shubbar | and installed grub on the mbr |
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| 05:42.32 | SPF | shubbar: did anything in the hardware change since the last time it worked? |
| 05:43.03 | SPF | it seems that the device is no longer being detected by the system |
| 05:43.17 | SPF | maybe it broke or maybe the name changed |
| 05:44.19 | shubbar | SPF, no hardware change, i had a previous distro - linuxmint - and a windows installation |
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| 05:45.34 | SPF | shubbar: if grub does not use UUID, then it could be that the device name changed |
| 05:45.52 | SPF | if this is the case you can update grub configuration with UUID |
| 05:46.37 | SPF | or try another device name |
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| 05:46.47 | jenia_ | hello everyone |
| 05:46.56 | jenia_ | how do you install a new icon theme in debian? |
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| 05:49.27 | rryoumaa | it is my understanding that microsoft word (.doc format) files sometimes contain undo information or comments. what tools exist to extrac tthose |
| 05:49.29 | rryoumaa | ? |
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| 05:50.24 | shubbar | SPF, how do i update grub configuration from grub rescue? |
| 05:50.57 | indes | wow, ms word questions in #debian. |
| 05:51.03 | indes | never thought I'd see the day! |
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| 05:52.41 | SPF | shubbar: you can change boot parameters like /dev/sda /dev/sdb, when you found the right device it will boot and you can edit grub configuration in /boot |
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| 05:58.02 | NetEcho | once again debian proves to be the simplest and most powerful choice for my application needs :D |
| 05:58.26 | indes | especially when looking for application specific commands in a propritary format. Debian has it all! |
| 05:59.24 | indes | well, I do suppose it's no longer "propriatary" but it certainly isn't free. |
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| 06:00.50 | rryoumaa | indes: except that i haven't gotten an answer yet :) |
| 06:01.12 | indes | rryoumaa, I highly doubt anyone in this room knows the specifics of the MS word format. |
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| 06:01.24 | rryoumaa | indes: there are probably tools for that purpose |
| 06:01.32 | rryoumaa | strings(1) is insufficient |
| 06:01.33 | indes | I don't even know why one would begin to assume ... |
| 06:01.42 | indes | a tool, to find, .. undo levels.. in an ms word document? |
| 06:01.42 | shubbar | i am trying fixing it using this http://askubuntu.com/questions/197833/recovering-from-grub-rescue-crash |
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| 06:02.47 | zykotick9 | !tell shubbar about fixgrub |
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| 06:03.24 | rryoumaa | indes: metadata and other data? undo information is only part of the whole. i think it's reasonable. |
| 06:03.57 | rryoumaa | annotations, collaboration notes, etc. check out mat(1) (which does not do .doc). |
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| 06:04.47 | indes | rryoumaa, antiword. |
| 06:05.22 | indes | rryoumaa, if you had a chance, it's probably with that. |
| 06:05.51 | indes | . Antiword converts the binary files from Word 2, 6, 7, 97, 2000, 2002 and 2003 to plain text and to PostScript.. but is libre. |
| 06:06.18 | shubbar | zykotick9, fixgrub? |
| 06:06.37 | rryoumaa | indes: hehe -r Include text removed by the revisioning system. |
| 06:06.46 | zykotick9 | shubbar: check your IRC client for a private massage from dpkg |
| 06:06.51 | indes | rryoumaa, "GNU Libextractor is a library used to extract meta data from files." <- supports OLE2 (doc) |
| 06:06.57 | indes | shrugs |
| 06:07.24 | indes | rryoumaa, giyf! (google is your friend!) :) |
| 06:07.46 | zykotick9 | Google is NOT your friend! |
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| 06:08.05 | indes | the search engine, not the brainless corporation |
| 06:08.45 | indes | just be glad nobody said "bing" |
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| 06:13.25 | shubbar | zykotick9, its not a live cd, should i go to rescue mode? |
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| 06:14.33 | indes | I think thats how I did it when I borked my bootloader..... boot from install disk, rescue root=/dev/blah .. when it comes back up, grub-install or wahtever... but I don't know what you're doing so, just $0.02 |
| 06:15.09 | zykotick9 | shubbar: yup. |
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| 06:15.47 | zykotick9 | shubbar: you did get the dpkg message right? |
| 06:15.58 | shubbar | zykotick9, i tried rescue mode before and reinstalled grub, but that didnt solve it |
| 06:16.12 | shubbar | zykotick9, yes i got dpkg msg |
| 06:16.34 | zykotick9 | shubbar: ahh, was this a windows8 machine (are you using uefi?) |
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| 06:17.04 | shubbar | zykotick9, no, it has windows 7 |
| 06:17.16 | zykotick9 | ok, just checkin' |
| 06:18.14 | zykotick9 | shubbar: did you run the update-grub as well as the install part? |
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| 06:21.41 | shubbar | zykotick9, no |
| 06:21.59 | gremble | I have this really weird thing going on with my debian install where the install where it seems to stop for a bit after populating /dev |
| 06:22.16 | gremble | I can continue the boot by using ctrl+c |
| 06:22.25 | gremble | or wait |
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| 06:23.03 | shubbar | device to use as root file system ... mmm i forgot |
| 06:24.06 | shubbar | may be i made the mistake here last rescue attempt |
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| 06:27.17 | shubbar | zykotick9, shall i choose "Execute a shell /dev/sda2"? or reinstall grub? |
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| 06:28.13 | shubbar | zykotick9, or "execute shell in installer enviroment"? |
| 06:28.47 | zykotick9 | shubbar: i'm not sure what step you are on? or where you are at exactly. where you not installing grub a moment ago when it asked for root filesystem? |
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| 06:32.59 | shubbar | zykotick9, should i just reinstall grub or is there a command to enter for grub to update grub? |
| 06:33.52 | shubbar | time is running short, i need to fix this before my wife wakes up or ill be in big trouble as this is her pc |
| 06:33.57 | zykotick9 | shubbar: as documented in dpkg's message update-grub then grub-install - follow dpkg's message! |
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| 06:40.24 | shubbar | zykotick9, in dpkg msg, my target device is /dev/sda; but do i mount this or is the target sda2? |
| 06:40.46 | zykotick9 | shubbar: use /dev/sda that's the MBR |
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| 07:10.12 | shubbar | zykotick9, update-grub and grub-install went fine... but still getting error no such device and grub rescue :( |
| 07:11.02 | zykotick9 | shubbar: i'm sorry - i don't know what else to suggest... |
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| 07:11.51 | shubbar | zykotick9, could be the wrong device ... i ll have another run |
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| 07:17.56 | shubbar | zykotick9, got the device, grub is working now. Thanks. |
| 07:18.10 | zykotick9 | shubbar: NICE |
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| 07:19.57 | leahcim | Hello, I'm looking for source for the ifupdown package for versions in between that of squeeze & wheezy, unfortunately http://anonscm.debian.org appears to be dead at the moment. |
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| 07:32.00 | vandemar | what file extension should files have in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? apt update says it's ignoring mine because of an invalid extension but (unhelpfully) doesn't say what extension it should be. |
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| 07:32.44 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell leahcim about snapshots |
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| 07:33.19 | jelly-home | vandemar: .list |
| 07:33.33 | vandemar | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 07:34.39 | vandemar | I guess I should have guessed that |
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| 07:45.56 | leahcim | jelly-home: oh, of course. Thanks! |
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| 07:51.22 | nettezzz | hello |
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| 07:52.45 | nettezzz | i'm little bit confused about rsync option .. i need update files on target only when size differs .. is it --size-only switch ? |
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| 07:53.27 | rryoumaa | looks like it |
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| 07:53.52 | ntz | hmm, lets test it |
| 07:53.52 | rryoumaa | but rsync is tricky. if you have issues after trying it, ask #rsync |
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| 07:55.08 | grimeton | ntz: if you use --size-only it doesn't compare based on hashes/date/time and only based on size |
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| 07:56.00 | jaami | non free 7zip for rar is what i need. can non free apps be installed ? |
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| 07:56.15 | rryoumaa | that reminds me. i twice found a bug in rsync where it failed to update a changed file. i'm guessing it was a debian installation script that changed the file twice in a the same quantum or something. it was a .pm file. |
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| 07:56.43 | rryoumaa | jaami: if sources.list has it |
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| 07:58.45 | jaami | source.list does not include non-free . what i should add in sources.list ? |
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| 08:01.15 | jaami | rryoumaa, how if i use add remove software gui to install 7zip for rar? |
| 08:01.24 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell jaami about non-free sources |
| 08:01.44 | jelly-home | ,i p7zip-rar |
| 08:01.45 | judd | Package p7zip-rar (non-free/utils, optional) in wheezy/i386: non-free rar module for p7zip. Version: 9.20.1~ds.1-3; Size: 57.3k; Installed: 156k; Homepage: http://p7zip.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 08:07.10 | shagelito | greetings #debian. still have some grub problems, i can boot w8 but no more debian -_-. My distro seems to have been installed in legacy. My boot sector in efi. I know that could be the problem. But before i messed up with my grubs parameters, it worked well. any guess ? |
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| 08:09.34 | james41382 | shagelito: Have you tried #grub? |
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| 08:11.06 | james41382 | I don't now much about it, but I've heard when you install Linux onto a newer system that has efi it's best to change it to legacy in the bios and reboot several times to make your current os (ie windows) works this way, then to install Linux at that point. Beyond that I haven't done it myself so I will not be much help. Though I have found help in #grub in the past. =] |
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| 08:19.04 | ChrisH | shagelito: I have similar issues and need to press F12 every time to boot into Debian |
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| 08:23.37 | shagelito | ChrisH: well you can consider yourself as lucky cause i do need boot on supergrub cdrom |
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| 08:24.28 | shagelito | ChrisH: are you under efi configuration ? |
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| 08:55.44 | kchehab | i have a problem such when the interface go down it never get up again unless i do ifup eth0 |
| 08:55.48 | kchehab | please advise |
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| 08:57.49 | grimeton | kchehab: eeeeh - what? |
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| 08:59.20 | kchehab | grimeton sometimes my switch go down so the debian interface go down too, but when switch power up again the debian interface be unreachable until i login to it and do ifup eth0 |
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| 08:59.57 | grimeton | kchehab: did you wait for 20 secs to see if the interface comes up after syncing? |
| 09:00.12 | kchehab | yes |
| 09:00.21 | grimeton | kchehab: how does /etc/network/interfaces look? are you using network manager? |
| 09:00.24 | kchehab | is there a special config for this |
| 09:00.44 | grimeton | kchehab: i just have one auto line and then all interfaces configured in a row |
| 09:00.51 | grimeton | works like a charm for +10 years now |
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| 09:01.09 | kchehab | grimeton i will print it in pastebin |
| 09:01.13 | grimeton | yeah |
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| 09:03.20 | kchehab | grimeton please find i in http://pastebin.com/ks1wz2DY |
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| 09:04.09 | kchehab | when it goes down i should print ifdown etho anf ifup eth0 to come online again and same for eth1 |
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| 09:04.30 | grimeton | kchehab: remove the allow-hotplug line |
| 09:04.43 | grimeton | kchehab: do ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 and then test again |
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| 09:05.04 | kchehab | grimeton i will but what does it mean allow-hotplug |
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| 09:05.44 | grimeton | kchehab: read the interfaces man page |
| 09:06.06 | grimeton | i hope it fixes the problem but i'm not sure |
| 09:06.09 | grimeton | let's wait and see |
| 09:06.12 | kchehab | grimeton thanks |
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| 09:08.58 | kchehab | grimeton i remove hot-plug and still the same problem |
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| 09:09.18 | grimeton | kchehab: hmm |
| 09:09.23 | grimeton | kchehab: what does dmesg show? |
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| 09:09.34 | grimeton | any info on the nic's status? |
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| 09:10.34 | kchehab | grimeton eth0 NIC copper link is down |
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| 09:11.12 | grimeton | and there is nothing else running in the background that is dealing with the nic's status? |
| 09:11.17 | grimeton | this is weird |
| 09:12.43 | kchehab | grimeton http://pastebin.com/1HWGZhb7 |
| 09:13.32 | grimeton | you're not running network manager in the back? |
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| 09:17.12 | ChrisH | kchehab: did you check ethtool output? Is there a link if the interface is down? |
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| 09:18.13 | kchehab | i will do it |
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| 09:20.32 | kchehab | ChrisH http://pastebin.com/hRsgZnsv please find the output of ethtool eth0 |
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| 09:21.45 | ChrisH | kchehab: currently its up. If it happens next time, check the output and mainly line 23 Link detected. Depending on that and the dmesg output we can proceed. |
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| 09:24.12 | kchehab | ChrisH i will turn it down and print line 23 |
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| 09:26.44 | kchehab | ChrisH i test it line 23 --Link detected: yes |
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| 09:27.07 | ChrisH | kchehab: show complete dmesg and eththool output on paste.debian.net when it happened again. |
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| 09:37.21 | kchehab | ChrisH i will turn off the switch .re powerup wait 1 minute ,print in a file dmesg and ethtool eth0 |
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| 09:38.59 | kchehab | ChrisH done please find the dmseg and ethtool debug http://pastebin.com/mKE3FiQA |
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| 09:40.45 | ChrisH | kchehab: Once more... if the Interface does not work! 1. the pasted stuff looks OK 2. I will not again look into pastebin.com. I asked to past on paste.debian.net |
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| 09:40.57 | ChrisH | !pastbin.com |
| 09:41.07 | ChrisH | !pastebin.com |
| 09:41.07 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 09:47.48 | kchehab | ChrisH should i paste it to http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 09:48.20 | kchehab | its on http://paste.debian.net/66745/ |
| 09:48.29 | omarek | Hi, what's the best way to get a list of files which contain the string '{% static' but DO NOT contain the string '{% load static %}' ? I can get the first part with find | xargs grep. |
| 09:48.57 | kchehab | ChrisH where can the problem located |
| 09:49.37 | ChrisH | kchehab: I cannot see any problem in the given data. Does it currently work? |
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| 09:59.37 | ChrisH | omarek: only idea I have is: find | xargs > filename ; step 2: read filename linewise (while read) and do a grep -lv "load static" ; I hope someone comes up with a smarter idea. |
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| 10:00.26 | kchehab | ChrisH i reenable it by ifdown and ifup |
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| 10:52.39 | ksk | nyuszika7h: yap, and thats totally fine. |
| 10:53.28 | ksk | the kernel decided to swap some stuff at some time for some reasons. it does not mean that you actually access that swappages (you probably dont) when you have "free" ram |
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| 10:57.04 | grimeton | ouch http://mailman.nginx.org/pipermail/nginx-announce/2013/000125.html |
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| 11:08.31 | ksk | mhm yes a little bit of ouch. but who configures pathes in a webserver with spaces? ;) |
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| 11:13.54 | grimeton | enough people will |
| 11:13.56 | grimeton | and did |
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| 11:20.11 | Klaus_Dieter | hello world |
| 11:21.02 | grimeton | Klaus_Dieter: i hope it's not to sad when you realize that the world will never reply |
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| 11:22.48 | Klaus_Dieter | I am having trouble with the order of execution of the at-commands when they are placed in the batch queue. The source code of atd contains a line that sorts the batch jobs by their name. Therefore the queue name should be the first criteria for the execution order. However when I place batch jobs ins Queues O and P and then therafter a job in the regular batch-queue "b" then the jobs in O and P are executed first. |
| 11:23.23 | Klaus_Dieter | I specifically chose the letters to not be bitten by effectus due to LC_COLLATE and new locales |
| 11:23.30 | Klaus_Dieter | however this behavior is plain wrong. |
| 11:24.11 | Klaus_Dieter | so what could be the cause of this? Am I not reading the source right? |
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| 11:26.11 | grimeton | Klaus_Dieter: that's because O and P will runn with a higher niceness and are prefered |
| 11:26.13 | bhuddah | Klaus_Dieter: i'd suggest executing jobs from one batch if the order of the execution is important. |
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| 11:26.34 | skaalil | hello |
| 11:26.51 | Klaus_Dieter | grimeton: b should be preferred above A and A above O and O above P. |
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| 11:27.53 | Klaus_Dieter | bhuddah: well that is not possible. I want to have 2 queues. the first one with regular batch tasks like maintenanc and the other one for tasks "when there is nothing else to do" |
| 11:27.59 | skaalil | Is it possible to install a system on hard drive on pc-1 and using this hd on an other pc later? |
| 11:28.02 | v4nelle | guys is there any reason why a depedency app,showed as manual installed on apt-mark manual? |
| 11:28.07 | grimeton | skaalil: yes |
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| 11:28.38 | bhuddah | Klaus_Dieter: just nice them and let them run in the background whenever you like |
| 11:28.46 | grimeton | Klaus_Dieter: the manual i read tells me that O and P are run with higher niceness and that those jobs are run like when they have been submitted to b at the moment it starts |
| 11:29.40 | Klaus_Dieter | bhuddah: not possible due to ram restrictions. also the machine is used for some interactive activity so I do not want to overload it by running many batch jobs in parallel |
| 11:30.00 | skaalil | thanks... Then i can clone a debian install and then make several hd for several pc's (assuming i change one or two lines in etc/fstab)? |
| 11:30.16 | grimeton | skaalil: you don't even have to change anything in fstab using blkids |
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| 11:30.40 | grimeton | skaalil: but deleting stuff in /etc/udev/rules.d/ might come in handy |
| 11:30.53 | grimeton | skaalil: at least the nic stuff that identifies the nic by its mac address |
| 11:31.05 | grimeton | skaalil: else you'll end up with eth1 on all clones |
| 11:31.32 | skaalil | grimeton: blkid is something like /dev/sda? |
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| 11:31.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell skaalil -about uuid |
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| 11:32.19 | grimeton | skaalil: it writes uuids to the blk devices and identifies them without the need of device nodes like /dev/sd* and such |
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| 11:32.49 | Klaus_Dieter | grimeton: I have read the manpage and the code of atd. The manpage does not reflect what is in the code because the one batch job is always the one given the smallest result with strcmp of all the batch jobs |
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| 11:33.11 | no_gravity | Strange. An "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" seems to have increased the mysql version from 5.0 or so to 5.5. I thought it would only fix security bugs? |
| 11:33.20 | Klaus_Dieter | atd.c in line 654 should do that. |
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| 11:33.34 | grimeton | Klaus_Dieter: and there is no explanation for the other behaviour in the sauces? |
| 11:34.22 | Klaus_Dieter | grimeton: not that I can see. the only explanation could be sort order but the letters I chose should not lead to that. |
| 11:34.31 | Klaus_Dieter | since "b" is smaller than "O" |
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| 11:35.44 | Klaus_Dieter | grimeton: sorry, the line number is off, I entered some comments... let me check out the source again, then I can give accurate numbers |
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| 11:36.15 | grimeton | Klaus_Dieter: i don't need accurate numbers - thanks |
| 11:36.36 | grimeton | Klaus_Dieter: you're reading the source - i guess you figure that one out on your own then ;) |
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| 11:36.58 | Klaus_Dieter | crap... I came here because I hit a dead end... ;) |
| 11:37.10 | grimeton | shit happenz |
| 11:37.15 | themill | no_gravity: which release of debian? |
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| 11:37.41 | bhuddah | Klaus_Dieter: so.... have you tried to check your asumptions with experiments? |
| 11:37.56 | no_gravity | themill: how do i find out? |
| 11:38.30 | themill | no_gravity: the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg apt mysql-server; apt-cache policy" would be good to see along with your sources.list |
| 11:38.45 | Klaus_Dieter | bhuddah: I did make one experiment: adding one job each in the O and P queue and one in the b queue while the system was loaded so none of them would be run. |
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| 11:39.03 | Klaus_Dieter | bhuddah: the order was: O - P - b |
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| 11:39.46 | bhuddah | Klaus_Dieter: in the manpage it states that submission to uppercase queues is treated immediately.. i have no idea what that means, but it seems to take the uppercase queues first. |
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| 11:40.04 | grimeton | ... |
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| 11:40.43 | no_gravity | themill: seems like "apt-get upgrade" is the safer choice over "apt-get dist-upgrade"? |
| 11:40.44 | Klaus_Dieter | bhuddah: let me try O - P - B instead..... |
| 11:41.04 | bhuddah | Klaus_Dieter: i think o - p - b would be better. |
| 11:41.20 | bhuddah | or all five of them or even six. |
| 11:41.20 | grimeton | what about O.P.P.? ;) |
| 11:41.25 | bhuddah | you know me! |
| 11:41.42 | Klaus_Dieter | well all lowercase queues are queues for immediate execution so only A-Z and b are batch queues |
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| 11:42.04 | themill | no_gravity: got that paste? |
| 11:42.06 | skaalil | grimeton, can you show me an example of the use of blkid in my case? |
| 11:42.12 | bhuddah | Klaus_Dieter: i think we should check that. not that somebody changed it and the documentation is of. |
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| 11:42.17 | grimeton | skaalil: afaik debian should use that by default |
| 11:42.26 | grimeton | skaalil: check /etc/fstab for UUID= entries |
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| 11:43.02 | Klaus_Dieter | bhuddah: the documentation is defenitely off. I can tell that from what I can see in the code. |
| 11:43.15 | grimeton | skaalil: http://pastebin.com/zNBeWvWh |
| 11:43.16 | bhuddah | Klaus_Dieter: see. so better check that too. |
| 11:43.17 | skaalil | so i have to edit /etc/fstab for each hd i clone, true? |
| 11:43.26 | skaalil | thanks |
| 11:43.26 | grimeton | skaalil: when entering "blkid" it should list you the devices with block ids |
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| 11:44.08 | Klaus_Dieter | grimeton: yes, O -p -b are executed directly |
| 11:44.08 | grimeton | skaalil: no you don't. it's fine to clone the uuids - but by identifying the partitions by uuids instead of device nodes it doesn't matter if the harddrive is sda, sdz, hda, or vda |
| 11:44.28 | grimeton | Klaus_Dieter: you meant bhuddah |
| 11:44.38 | bhuddah | Klaus_Dieter: so upper or lowercase? |
| 11:44.47 | skaalil | understood! Thanks |
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| 11:45.03 | Klaus_Dieter | bhuddah: lowercase are executed directly except for "b" which is the standard batch queue. |
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| 11:45.32 | bhuddah | sure. okay. |
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| 11:45.56 | Klaus_Dieter | bhuddah: and O P B seem to be processed in the correct order: O B P - the O might have been running already when B was added so that is probably fine. |
| 11:46.13 | bhuddah | hmmm |
| 11:46.16 | bhuddah | okay. |
| 11:46.18 | Klaus_Dieter | bhuddah: however O P b should be executed like b O P and I can see O P b |
| 11:46.38 | grimeton | i don't know why, but everytime i read "O B P" in my head it goes "yeah you know me" |
| 11:46.40 | bhuddah | i just read "don't add directly to the "b" queue. |
| 11:46.52 | grimeton | kinda like being rick rolled |
| 11:47.29 | bhuddah | yep. |
| 11:47.32 | Klaus_Dieter | grimeton: I knew I should ahve chosen A B C ;) |
| 11:47.48 | bhuddah | better O C D |
| 11:48.03 | grimeton | hm ADHD |
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| 11:48.37 | skaalil | One more thing, if i delete stuff in /etc/udev/rules.d/ , the files will be reconstructed automatically or do i have to do this manually? |
| 11:48.53 | Klaus_Dieter | ok. so from what I can see "b" is the lowest priority batch queue which I did not expect from reading the manpage or the source |
| 11:48.55 | grimeton | skaalil: you don't want to delete everything - only the file that identifies the nic |
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| 11:49.22 | skaalil | ok, thank you very much... grimeton -> precious |
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| 11:52.16 | Klaus_Dieter | bhuddah: so I am trying the pattern O P O P O P O P b now. from reading the source and from previous observations I am expecting O O O O P P P P b. |
| 11:52.34 | grimeton | dubstep |
| 11:53.00 | bhuddah | WUBWUBWUBWUB |
| 11:53.08 | BotaniCar | Yea, can you change the pattern to something more like wub-wub |
| 11:53.10 | tgs3 | dO.ob |
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| 11:54.39 | Klaus_Dieter | well this time "b" got executed first and the rest seems to be in order. so there might be an issue with locking if the job files are created while atd is polling the lock directory. interesting. |
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| 11:55.53 | bhuddah | Klaus_Dieter: maybe it's n issue with adding something directly to b |
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| 11:57.04 | grimeton | the running jobs are in = |
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| 11:57.45 | luichi | hello |
| 11:57.58 | luichi | is there a lighter wm than twm? |
| 11:58.34 | grimeton | luichi: there is tmux which would allow you to get rid of the whole X thing |
| 11:58.36 | Klaus_Dieter | luichi: what do you mean by light? |
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| 11:58.49 | luichi | i want the less consuming ram wm |
| 11:59.00 | torax | how much does twm consume? |
| 11:59.07 | grimeton | can't be that much |
| 12:00.23 | luichi | i dont know how much |
| 12:00.28 | luichi | grimeton: twm seems a good alternative |
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| 12:00.41 | luichi | i want a graphical interface with the less consuming ram |
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| 12:01.03 | grimeton | luichi: maybe fluxbox (stripped down) |
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| 12:01.10 | vt0r | I really like Fluxbox/Openbox, which both consume very minimal amounts of RAM and still look good / have functionality. Maybe look into those as well. |
| 12:01.22 | Klaus_Dieter | my wm has 5,9 mb reserved, I use awesome. |
| 12:01.45 | luichi | grimeton: fluxbox lighter than twm? |
| 12:01.53 | luichi | i saw matchbox |
| 12:02.10 | luichi | and swm but it isnt packaged for debian |
| 12:02.22 | torax | consuming less ram != lighter |
| 12:02.32 | torax | there is no clear definition of lighter |
| 12:02.33 | luichi | torax: ups ok i didnt knwow |
| 12:02.41 | luichi | torax: i want less consuming ram |
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| 12:03.06 | torax | then I would give up X |
| 12:03.30 | jelly | luichi: how much ram do you have? do you need multiple windows visible at the same time? |
| 12:03.33 | Klaus_Dieter | grimeton: bhuddah when using uppercase letters only then the scheduling works as expected. this must be a sorting issue |
| 12:03.49 | bhuddah | Klaus_Dieter: probably. anyways.. now you know how it works. |
| 12:03.50 | jelly | perhaps a tiling wm would be a better choice |
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| 12:04.16 | Klaus_Dieter | thank you for your help and for pushing me into testing this more |
| 12:04.37 | bhuddah | np |
| 12:04.38 | Klaus_Dieter | jelly: a tiling wm is always the better choice |
| 12:04.43 | luichi | jelly: i have 1gb of ram but i want less consuming ram |
| 12:05.17 | luichi | jelly: better if i can have multiple |
| 12:05.31 | Klaus_Dieter | luichi: use whatever wm you like that suits your usability needs and aggressively use zswap to make more use of your ram. |
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| 12:05.59 | brontosaurusrex | luichi, openbox can be made to use less than 200 megs i belive |
| 12:06.05 | torax | wm's are not that ram hungry. Pepole tend to want light wm and then use firefox for browsing that eats every ram you give it |
| 12:06.11 | luichi | brontosaurusrex: other wm uses a lot less |
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| 12:06.28 | luichi | torax: i use iceweasel but i want a lighter browser too |
| 12:06.31 | grimeton | i wonder what he's trying todo |
| 12:06.34 | brontosaurusrex | luichi, tilers? |
| 12:06.40 | luichi | but now im focusing on the wm |
| 12:06.46 | grimeton | running the whole system within 256mb on a 64gb multi core machine? |
| 12:06.52 | luichi | brontosaurusrex: tilers are the less consuming? |
| 12:06.55 | brontosaurusrex | luichi, browsers: the new midori, uzbl maybe |
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| 12:07.00 | torax | well, i use i3 and uzbl |
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| 12:07.25 | luichi | looking throught the package size of wm i saw that 9wm was the less |
| 12:07.26 | brontosaurusrex | luichi, yes, but they are not for everybody |
| 12:07.44 | luichi | brontosaurusrex: twm is tilling i guess no? |
| 12:07.45 | brontosaurusrex | luichi, we are talking about ram usage right? |
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| 12:07.56 | luichi | brontosaurusrex: yes |
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| 12:08.57 | vtinti | do you recommend psad? |
| 12:09.29 | Klaus_Dieter | luichi: tune your ram usage where actual ram is used. the wm uses no significatn portion. Your approach is not sensible. |
| 12:10.03 | bhuddah | why even use so little ram? |
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| 12:10.24 | Klaus_Dieter | luichi: if you are in the area of single MB usage like awesome or twm or any other light wm uses, than go with that and focus on your other apps that you are using on a daily basis. |
| 12:11.01 | luichi | Klaus_Dieter: ok but can you guess another wm that uses less ram? |
| 12:11.09 | luichi | later i want to focus on browser |
| 12:11.10 | Klaus_Dieter | luichi: also you should have a look at technology like zswap if and only if your system is crawling to a halt with you hdd seeking due to swap usage |
| 12:11.11 | jelly | luichi: don't guess. Test. |
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| 12:11.41 | Klaus_Dieter | luichi: that is what I am saying: it does not matter what wm you use for ram usage. pick any one and move to the next step. |
| 12:12.23 | Klaus_Dieter | yes they all use a slightly different amount but it does not affect system performance if you don'T happen to pick things like compiz but you are not down on that road. |
| 12:12.35 | luichi | Klaus_Dieter: ok so what browser do you recommend me with little ram consuming? |
| 12:12.39 | Armin | choosing a WM because of RAM usage is like picking a car because of the colour of cables that connect the radio. |
| 12:12.42 | bhuddah | lynx. |
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| 12:13.00 | Klaus_Dieter | luichi: for X: dillo |
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| 12:13.12 | luichi | grimeton: tmux doesn't use xorg? |
| 12:13.12 | Klaus_Dieter | luichi: for cli: lynx / links. |
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| 12:13.26 | luichi | Klaus_Dieter: but cli doesn't show images no? |
| 12:13.38 | luichi | Klaus_Dieter: i tried dillo but doesn't show facebook for example well |
| 12:13.38 | Klaus_Dieter | luichi: use dillo. |
| 12:14.16 | Klaus_Dieter | luichi: that is the bottom of the problem: if you use "lighter" software it is bound to have less features. |
| 12:14.33 | luichi | i want a less but i want to have the basics |
| 12:14.36 | luichi | Klaus_Dieter: |
| 12:15.09 | bhuddah | luichi: why do you have so little ram and want to browse facebook? |
| 12:15.23 | luichi | bhuddah: i dont have little ram i want to use the less ram possible |
| 12:15.35 | bhuddah | why? you payed for it to actually use it :D |
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| 12:16.00 | luichi | bhuddah: but i want to have the ram i have free for another things |
| 12:16.02 | Klaus_Dieter | luichi: if dillo does not offer the features you need, you are bound to use something heavier. which is why I am saying: use the prgrams you need to use based on the features you want and make use of zram and/or upgrade. the time you are spending on optimizing this problem is waaaaay more precious than the value of another gb of ram. |
| 12:16.17 | bhuddah | luichi: "free" ram is wasted ram. simple as that. |
| 12:16.56 | luichi | bhuddah: insted my pc with 4 or 5 programs is too slow |
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| 12:17.08 | luichi | and i want to boot as fast i can |
| 12:17.18 | Klaus_Dieter | this whole discussion about "free" ram is a result of a misguided attempt to optimize things that don't need fixing. find the real cause for your pc being slow |
| 12:17.19 | bhuddah | luichi: this has not to do with free ram but with swap usage. that is a completely different problem. |
| 12:17.40 | bhuddah | what Klaus_Dieter said. |
| 12:17.51 | torax | free ram is wasted ram |
| 12:17.52 | Sendoushi | hey guys. i just installed debian with xfce. installed also arandr so i can position my multiple monitors but i don't have enough area to do so. ideas on how to solve this? i only have vertical area, not horizontal. oh i also installed ati driver |
| 12:18.41 | bhuddah | Sendoushi: does the card have enough ram for the canvas size? |
| 12:18.50 | Sendoushi | it was working on the ubuntu sooo... |
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| 12:19.51 | luichi | is possible to avoid xorg? it consumes "a lot" of ram |
| 12:19.59 | bhuddah | -.- |
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| 12:20.13 | bhuddah | luichi: are you - at least trying - to understand the problem? |
| 12:20.13 | luichi | somebody said tmux |
| 12:20.14 | grimeton | luichi: why don't you just stare at the post screen? |
| 12:20.23 | bhuddah | or remove the power. |
| 12:20.30 | bhuddah | i have some spare crayons. |
| 12:20.34 | luichi | grimeton: tmux doesn't use xorg no? |
| 12:20.39 | grimeton | no |
| 12:20.40 | Klaus_Dieter | bhuddah: lol |
| 12:20.44 | Sendoushi | bhuddah, ideas on how to solve this? |
| 12:21.01 | torax | luichi: to avoid xorg, remove it |
| 12:21.12 | bhuddah | Sendoushi: i have no idea. if it worked before it might be a configuration issue. or you selected a different color depth now. |
| 12:21.32 | luichi | torax: but without xorg i cant have grapichal interface no |
| 12:21.35 | luichi | ? |
| 12:21.40 | Klaus_Dieter | Sendoushi: you should read your xorg.log and look for errors & warnings |
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| 12:21.51 | bhuddah | luichi: first: be sure what you want. |
| 12:22.48 | Klaus_Dieter | Sendoushi: check if you had a xorg.conf in ubuntu |
| 12:22.52 | luichi | bhuddah: i want to have a graphical interface with the less consuming ram possible |
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| 12:23.05 | bhuddah | luichi: and why do you want it to consume less ram? |
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| 12:23.39 | luichi | bhuddah: because i have some pcs with little ram |
| 12:23.49 | bhuddah | luichi: how little? |
| 12:23.59 | luichi | 100mb |
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| 12:24.15 | luichi | im using antix distribution and im using 40mb |
| 12:24.21 | bhuddah | luichi: good lord! where have you found that old stuff? |
| 12:24.31 | luichi | my father |
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| 12:24.52 | bhuddah | it's not worth the power to run them |
| 12:24.53 | luichi | but i have other pcs like that thats why |
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| 12:26.05 | bhuddah | it's been a very long time i used that little ram. maybe better use a framebuffer display, luichi |
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| 12:26.41 | Klaus_Dieter | bhuddah: still the system is going to feel slow as hell. |
| 12:26.55 | bhuddah | not only feel. |
| 12:27.05 | bhuddah | those boxes must be like 12 years old or even more. |
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| 12:28.05 | luichi | why if i use update-alternatives --config-x-window-manager doesn't work? |
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| 12:28.37 | Klaus_Dieter | luichi: you are trying to win a f1 race with an old rusty ford edsel. |
| 12:28.43 | jelly | luichi: current debian can't be sanely used on anything with < 256MB RAM; it will be hard to use the packaging system tools |
| 12:28.44 | guerrerofran | hi there |
| 12:28.45 | luichi | Klaus_Dieter: yes haha |
| 12:29.10 | ajcrowe | luichi, you need --config x-window-manager |
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| 12:29.41 | bhuddah | 100MB is even not enough for textmode. |
| 12:30.08 | bhuddah | and you can get machines with up to 4 gigs of ram for very little money. |
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| 12:30.26 | luichi | if i use update-alternatives it says i only have twm but i have tmux too so? |
| 12:30.28 | Klaus_Dieter | bhuddah: they must be much older. my laptop is 7 years old and is using 2.5 gb of ram. 100mb ram that was the pentium1/pentium2-age. that was almost 20 years ago. |
| 12:30.59 | bhuddah | i'm old -.- |
| 12:31.08 | bhuddah | my first machine had 512KB of ram :D |
| 12:31.18 | Klaus_Dieter | :-) |
| 12:31.51 | Klaus_Dieter | I still have a pentium 2 laptop with 256mb ram... it is even slower than my arm box. |
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| 12:32.03 | Klaus_Dieter | ... even slower than my router. |
| 12:32.11 | luichi | ajcrowe: it only appears twm and i have tmux too |
| 12:32.16 | bhuddah | probably even slower than the toaster. |
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| 12:32.28 | bhuddah | okay.. lunchbreak! |
| 12:32.31 | Klaus_Dieter | bhuddah: I do not have a toaster ;) |
| 12:32.39 | SPF | but faster than a human can count! |
| 12:32.40 | ajcrowe | tmux is not an x-window manager afaik |
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| 12:34.08 | luichi | ajcrowe: so how i can set tmux as the default grapichal interface? |
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| 12:38.06 | ajcrowe | luichi, stick it in your bashrc? |
| 12:38.34 | luichi | ajcrowe: how? |
| 12:38.43 | luichi | i dont have .bashrc in my home directory |
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| 12:39.03 | luichi | i have to create it? what command i have to insert? |
| 12:39.52 | Klaus_Dieter | luichi: before you do any of that have a look at what tmux actually is, please. you will be very disappointed if you are hoping it is a wm. |
| 12:40.06 | Klaus_Dieter | ... a graphical wm. |
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| 12:41.01 | luichi | i have seen screeshots and is only consoles no? |
| 12:41.21 | luichi | i want to be able to run graphical programs |
| 12:41.58 | torax | luichi: then you need x |
| 12:42.21 | luichi | torax: so twm? |
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| 12:42.44 | Klaus_Dieter | holy fuck. I am quitting this discussion. |
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| 12:42.54 | torax | luichi: I dont think your choise of wm will affect this, just dont use gnome or kde |
| 12:43.04 | luichi | torax: ok |
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| 12:44.11 | luichi | in the scripts if i use dash i have to put # !/bin/dash ? |
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| 12:45.08 | themill | luichi: #!/bin/sh should be fine unless you are specifically trying to use features that are only in dash |
| 12:45.08 | torax | bash |
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| 12:45.50 | luichi | themill: ok |
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| 12:48.37 | luichi | themill: ok thanks |
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| 12:51.38 | luichi | can i remove cups-server if i only want to print= |
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| 12:52.17 | crane | hi, maybe someone will know... based on this article: https://wiki.debian.org/VGAPassthrough do i need two vga cards? or can my guest also run on the same vga card as the host does? |
| 12:52.28 | crane | imho its not possible |
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| 12:54.34 | luichi | can i remove cups-server if i only want to print? |
| 12:55.13 | SirLagz | luichi: no |
| 12:55.21 | SirLagz | luichi: cups server is what connects to the printer |
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| 12:55.36 | luichi | SirLagz: a ok. and cups package? is a metapackage? |
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| 12:56.24 | SirLagz | luichi: I don't think it's a metapackage. |
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| 12:59.12 | eRespond | Need help instal debian on samsung note 3 |
| 12:59.55 | eRespond | Any have respond it |
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| 13:00.57 | monas | Hi, please help with multiarch dependencies. I have x64 system. I want to install Lotus domino (i586). It depends on libgnomeprint2.2-0(:i386), which depends on libgnomeprint2.2-data, which is available only in :all. Apptitude says later is not available. Is it a bug in packages or I should use some trick? |
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| 13:02.50 | themill | monas: multiarch doesn't yet let you do that. An i386 chroot using schroot to easily run programs within it might be easiest |
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| 13:03.30 | ikanobori | Hello, I am having some issues with a fresh Debian 7 install on a new VM. |
| 13:03.39 | ikanobori | Are there any known issues with the sshd? |
| 13:03.53 | dast1986 | ikanbori: what is the issue you're having? |
| 13:04.00 | ikanobori | The things I am seeing is that the machine keeps changing its host key and it is also not accepting password auth. |
| 13:04.34 | dast1986 | so everytime you try to logon to your box from a remote machine, it generates a new key? |
| 13:04.37 | ikanobori | These "failed" login attempts do not appear in the auth.log either. |
| 13:04.45 | ikanobori | dast1986: Seems to be that way after each succesful login. |
| 13:04.55 | ikanobori | (these would be two separate issues) |
| 13:04.55 | dast1986 | ikanbori: are you absolutly sure you are connecting to the right machine? |
| 13:05.06 | dast1986 | ikanbori: are you doing this using DNS names or by ip? |
| 13:05.09 | themill | sure it's the same machine? not an AWS instance or something? |
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| 13:05.22 | ikanobori | I am doing this by IP, it's a physical machine located on my desk. |
| 13:05.40 | ikanobori | (which runs a few virtualized boxes) |
| 13:05.41 | dast1986 | ikanbori: and when you're logged on, you can see the same files as on the local machine? |
| 13:05.46 | ikanobori | Yes. |
| 13:06.12 | dast1986 | ikanobori: hmm.. that's weird :-P |
| 13:06.20 | themill | ikanobori: the only thing that should cause the keys to change is deleting them |
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| 13:07.27 | ikanobori | I'll try to get some pastes + logs together on this :) |
| 13:07.38 | ksk | hey guys |
| 13:07.39 | dast1986 | ikanbori: you don't have any scripts running or something that might be changing stuff on the machine? |
| 13:08.05 | dast1986 | ikanbori: can you supply us with the sshd_config in /etc/ssh ? |
| 13:08.06 | ikanobori | It's a fresh install on which I've basically only done `apt-get install openssh-server` so far. |
| 13:08.09 | ksk | debian packaging: whats the way to make a deamon restart if I install/upgrade a package (wich might not be the package the deamon comes from)? |
| 13:08.12 | ikanobori | Yes, and yes. |
| 13:08.27 | dast1986 | ksk: /etc/init.d/<service> restart |
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| 13:08.39 | dast1986 | ikanobori: okay, put it on pastebin or something and share the link :-) |
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| 13:09.15 | ksk | so dast1986, where exactly do i put that in my debian package? post-inst? should work yes, but im wondering if theres a cleaner solution |
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| 13:10.04 | dast1986 | ksk: as long as the installing user is uing SysV, it should work.. If he uses something else (like upstart or SystemD) it can differ. For SystemD it should be 'service <blah> restart' for instance |
| 13:10.05 | ikanobori | dast1986, themill: Gah, problem fixed. Coworker brought up IPs on my subnet he shouldn't have and I totally missed that as a possibility. |
| 13:10.19 | themill | ksk: you should use invoke-rc.d not running the init script directly |
| 13:10.22 | themill | ikanobori: :) |
| 13:10.23 | dast1986 | ikanbori: ah... that explains as well (><) |
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| 13:10.46 | monas | themill, you mean everything i386 should be put into chroot? |
| 13:10.47 | dast1986 | ikanbori: you didn't get a duplicate ip thingy? |
| 13:11.20 | ikanobori | dast1986: I did not, but I did suddenly noticed that downing/upping my ethernet device made the machine connectable for a bit. |
| 13:11.22 | themill | monas: yeah. or at least just enough packages to run this thing. Make the chroot with debootstrap |
| 13:11.27 | ikanobori | And from there I thought "mrm maybeeee". |
| 13:11.56 | dast1986 | ikanbori: hehe.. well, that teaches to never trust a coworker :-P |
| 13:14.47 | monas | themill, ok, thank you, I'll try. But this kind of 'solution' will complicate using the program a lot :-( |
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| 13:17.08 | themill | monas: a little, but it's not as ugly as it sounds. Your only other option here would be to start fiddling with that the libgnomeprint2.2-0 .deb to remove that dependency... ugly. |
| 13:17.36 | themill | (and that might be the tip of the iceberg) |
| 13:18.00 | luminous | hello! when trying to start a vbox vm, I get an error about vboxnet0 not existing.. is there a script, service, or kernel module I need to run on startup to ensure this is set? |
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| 13:18.30 | v4nelle | anybody with testing,who has kde on a laptop?i want to know if is normal that i get a crash when i go to settings->input devices->synaptic |
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| 13:19.46 | monas | themill, yeah, I know. WHen I forced install with missing dependency, trying notes install said it needs libgnomeprintui or some other library. And after that aptitude insisted that I uninstall the library with insufficient dependencies |
| 13:20.44 | monas | themill, but... why does apt/aptitude accept :all package as valid dependency? |
| 13:20.49 | themill | ok, so if it's just the one package then it would be feasible to do |
| 13:21.06 | monas | does not accept |
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| 13:21.31 | themill | monas: :all doesn't mean that the package works for all architectures. There's is talk of changing apt and dpkg to permit this |
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| 13:35.17 | bezaban | ,version openssh |
| 13:35.18 | judd | No package named 'openssh' was found in i386. |
| 13:35.23 | bezaban | ,version ssh |
| 13:35.23 | judd | Package: ssh on i386 -- squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze4; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4; wheezy-backports: 1:6.2p2-6~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 1:6.4p1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:6.4p1-1; sid: 1:6.4p1-1 |
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| 13:36.25 | bezaban | ,cve 2013-4548 |
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| 13:36.39 | bezaban | mrm. will take it to query |
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| 13:40.03 | abrotman | good plan |
| 13:40.35 | abrotman | dpkg: tell bezaban about pdo |
| 13:40.41 | abrotman | dpkg: tell bezaban about tracker of doom |
| 13:40.47 | bezaban | found it :) |
| 13:40.51 | bezaban | but thanks |
| 13:41.06 | abrotman | i thought it didn't affect stable? |
| 13:42.04 | bezaban | doesn't affect stable, only after 6.2 |
| 13:42.10 | bezaban | but, fixed, fixed, fixed :) |
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| 13:42.32 | bezaban | openssh 6.2 that is |
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| 13:59.45 | turduks | **Earn 0.25$ Per Lead **. For Details:http://www.StillRemember.Net/Affiliate.htm |
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| 14:01.25 | Shadur | ... ARGH. Ever since a recent apache/php upgrade all files created by apache and/or php-cgi are created in mode 0600 by default, and I can't find /where/ this was changed or figure out how to change it back globally. |
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| 14:04.15 | Shadur | Debian Wheezy, upgraded yesterday. |
| 14:04.26 | Shadur | Er, last updated I mean. |
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| 14:08.33 | epsilon | Shadur: tried phpinfo();? it should tell which config files aaplied to current vhost |
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| 14:10.36 | n0c | this is a test of the qwertt |
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| 14:11.33 | epsilon | fail |
| 14:12.10 | Shadur | epsilon: Nothing in /any/ of them mention umask at all. |
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| 14:12.35 | Shadur | Neither do any files under /etc/apache/ |
| 14:12.57 | Shadur | I'm fairly good with linux in general, I've just run out of places where I can think to look. |
| 14:13.39 | bhuddah | umask of www-data user? |
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| 14:26.47 | colonolGron | are files in /sys/class/power_supply the same on all machines? |
| 14:26.50 | colonolGron | the same name i mean |
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| 14:32.42 | Shadur | bhuddah: I use suexec to run each website under their own user. |
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| 14:33.08 | Shadur | (Back when I set this server up mpm_itk wasn't considered production-safe yet). |
| 14:33.13 | bhuddah | Shadur: but the default mode of file creation is usually inherited from the umask. |
| 14:33.58 | Shadur | Good point. |
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| 14:39.44 | refrax | hi guys, I have a small nfs problem. Possibly I don't understand how to work with NFS yet as I'm trying it out for the first time. But I have a Debian Testing 7 NFS server, and trying to map from another linux box, and am getting connection refused. all pertinenet information I could think of is at http://paste.debian.net/66795/ |
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| 14:40.11 | refrax | any help would be greatly appreciated. Replies may be slow as I am at work currently and may not be able to have this chat up all the time, but thanks in advance. |
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| 14:45.15 | buu | refrax: At the risk of not actually being helpful, have you considered samba instead? It seems rather more reliable. As to your pasted stuff, have you tried sudo netstat nlp to see what is actually listening on what port? |
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| 14:45.41 | buu | refrax: Connection refused makes me think you're talking to the wrongport, or maybe there's a firewall in the way, or ... |
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| 14:46.25 | refrax | buu: I had thought of samba, in fact I have samba on the server as I have windows clients in the house, but I rather like the idea of using NFS between two linux machines, so I'm trying to get it figured out, but hit a roadblock already haha. |
| 14:46.32 | buu | Heh |
| 14:46.38 | mumpitzel | refrax: are the daemons all running? portmapper and nfs? |
| 14:46.49 | buu | And listening! |
| 14:47.00 | buu | refrax: Also there's: -s Tolerate sloppy mount options rather than fail. |
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| 14:47.38 | buu | refrax: Maybe try mount.nfs explicitly passing it -v type options and -s? |
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| 14:47.45 | buu | And then possibly stracing it? |
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| 14:47.58 | buu | After verifying the server is listening on the correct ip/ports |
| 14:49.53 | buu | On a completely unrelated note, is there any brilliant or even sane way to assign host names to machines on my local network? Obviously I can use the host file but this seems a pain to update everywhere, especially windows/etc. I don't think my router will run a dns server (commercial assus router), I could assign names using my external dns server but that seems like bad things would happen if my internal stuff can't get onto the internet |
| 14:50.21 | buu | I could run a local dns server on a random linux box but then I have to point every machine to use that as dns? |
| 14:50.51 | refrax | the server has no firewall installed, iptables is empty, no other portblocker exists that I'm aware of. I tried netstat nlp but I don't know what I am looking at/for, mount.nfs -v -s doesn't give connection refused error, but still says mount(2) invalid mount option |
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| 14:51.16 | buu | refrax: Can you paste the output of nestat to a pastebin? |
| 14:51.29 | Aaron | !tell buu about pasting |
| 14:51.35 | buu | Hrm. Is there some way to configure a local dns server to act as an exact mirror of a remote one, caching the contents even if it can't talk to the remote? |
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| 14:52.00 | buu | Aaron: Uh, did you mean refrax? |
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| 14:53.30 | refrax | buu: http://paste.debian.net/66800/ |
| 14:54.04 | buu | refrax: Sorry, what command generated? |
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| 14:54.24 | refrax | buu: 'netstat nlp' sorry |
| 14:54.59 | buu | refrax: Oh, my bad, the dash is important and please run it as root/sudo =] |
| 14:55.05 | buu | netat -nlp =p |
| 14:55.13 | refrax | oops. |
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| 14:55.18 | refrax | let me retry.. |
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| 14:56.04 | refrax | buu: http://paste.debian.net/66801/ |
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| 14:57.56 | refrax | the NFS server appears to be working, because on an XBMC installtion I have I can connect to one of the NFS exports and add things in there to my library and they play fine |
| 14:58.03 | refrax | so I'm just not doing something right someplace |
| 14:59.13 | buu | oh |
| 14:59.20 | buu | Yeah everything looks good. |
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| 15:00.09 | refrax | right. I am just issuing the command on the client wrong or the version is too back-level or something I'm sure. |
| 15:00.16 | buu | strace it? |
| 15:00.26 | buu | randomly upgrade things? |
| 15:00.36 | refrax | might be worth a shot haha |
| 15:00.43 | buu | Verify you can see the open ports with nmap from that specific machine? |
| 15:00.49 | buu | = |
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| 15:00.58 | refrax | let me try some more stuff. Thanks for the help |
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| 15:02.23 | ChrisH | refrax: a) what OS has 192.168.1.101; from option its a Linux box. b) does mount -o vers=3 192.168.1.101:/media/raid0/Music/Misc /media/nfs work? |
| 15:03.53 | refrax | ChrisH: 192.168.1.101 is Debian 7 Testing. I just tried -o vers=3 and I still get the connection refused error. :( |
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| 15:04.42 | ChrisH | rpcinfo -t 192.168.1.101 nfs |
| 15:04.50 | jelly | refrax: is it debian 7, or testing |
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| 15:05.28 | refrax | jelly: I guess in that case it started off debian 7 and then I upgraded to the testing repos |
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| 15:07.44 | gargaml | hi |
| 15:07.44 | refrax | ChrisH: is this on client or server? |
| 15:08.20 | ChrisH | refrax: does not really m,atters as long as 192.168.1.101 is the server IP. but better execute on client |
| 15:08.30 | gargaml | I just upgraded jessie and I get the following message when gdm starts "Oh no ! something has gone wrong" |
| 15:08.32 | refrax | because on client the command rpcinfo is not found, which may be the problem I guess. |
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| 15:08.45 | gargaml | I've seen that many got the same problem |
| 15:08.55 | refrax | on the server, I get 3 lines saying version 2, 3, 4 ready and waiting |
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| 15:09.01 | gargaml | but I haven't seen a solution... |
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| 15:09.09 | gargaml | does anyone know if there is one ? |
| 15:09.23 | refrax | maybe this linux/xbmc combo can access nfs exports without having to mount them? who knows. |
| 15:09.36 | ChrisH | refrax: looks like rpc is not installed. |
| 15:09.44 | ChrisH | whatever linux/xbmc is |
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| 15:10.06 | refrax | it's an XBox Media Center installed on linux |
| 15:10.39 | refrax | but it's not a specified flavor of linux, probably a start from scratch version. It doesn't seem to have rpcinfo, that could be the problem altogether I guess. |
| 15:11.32 | refrax | I didn't have another linux box powerd on at home to test with, I'll try again tonight with my #! laptop |
| 15:11.37 | refrax | see if I have the same problems. |
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| 15:11.42 | obesd | hmm |
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| 15:12.32 | obesd | How hard is it to install the nvidia 319 drivers from nvidias website on debian wheezy, and then manually integrate them with bumblebee on a optimus laptop ? |
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| 15:18.03 | obesd | hi |
| 15:18.05 | obesd | The latest iGPU with proper opensource support in wheezy is the intel HD 4000 right ? Or is it the haswell 4600 as well ? |
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| 15:24.22 | jhutchins_wk | !tell obesd about nvidia |
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| 15:24.55 | turduks | **Earn 0.25$ Per Lead **. For Details:http://www.StillRemember.Net/Affiliate.htm |
| 15:25.04 | jhutchins_wk | !tell obesd about bumblebee |
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| 15:25.23 | jhutchins_wk | obesd: bumblebee is a work in progress, not fully functional for some users. |
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| 15:27.26 | obesd | jhutchins_wk: yeah thats why I think "forget about it" maybe it would work better if I had an older video card with drivers in wheezy. I might risk buying a nvidia laptop again with a older gpu in it. Or just buy one with the latest supported intel HD graphics-only instead |
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| 15:29.28 | jhutchins_wk | obesd: Many people are happy with using one gpu or the other without switching. |
| 15:29.51 | obesd | jhutchins_wk: hmm what do you mean ? |
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| 15:34.19 | ChrisH | !ops turduks spams with commercials |
| 15:34.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: chrish complains about: turduks spams with commercials |
| 15:34.30 | jelly | slow ChrisH is slow! |
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| 15:35.20 | ChrisH | oh dear... I am getting old. |
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| 15:36.41 | monas | ChrisH, everybody does :-) |
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| 15:40.25 | Corey | ChrisH: Not only slow, but also whacked by idoru virtually instantly. |
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| 15:41.00 | nabblet | !dropbox |
| 15:41.00 | dpkg | Dropbox is a web-based file hosting service, using cloud computing to store/share files. The closed source dropbox.com client is a mess of copyright violations and cannot be distributed by Debian (see bug #610257). The non-free but distributable <Nautilus> plugin is packaged for Debian as nautilus-dropbox (amd64 and i386 only), ask me about <non-free sources>. |
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| 15:41.31 | babilen | nabblet: Use git-annex instead and please /msg the bot. (/msg dpkg FOO) -- See http://git-annex.branchable.com/assistant/ |
| 15:42.16 | rhys_ | mass of copyright violations whut? |
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| 15:43.21 | nabblet | babilen: well, then i'd have to move ~30 people to git-annex too :P but thanks for the hint |
| 15:43.57 | babilen | nabblet: I'd consider that to be a good idea too. |
| 15:44.10 | babilen | (sertiously, watch the short screencast) |
| 15:44.15 | babilen | *seriously |
| 15:44.28 | nabblet | babilen: i'd consider it a good idea too |
| 15:45.09 | nabblet | babilen: while we're at it. i'm using jitis as skype replacement, but it's a bit buggy/unstable but the most promising thing i came across. |
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| 15:45.25 | refrax | buu: ChrisH: update, I created a VM of Debian 7 vanilla and I can map to the nfs share with no problem now. Thank you all for the assistance sorry for wasting your time :P |
| 15:45.41 | refrax | it was that gimped linux that was the problem apparently. |
| 15:45.47 | nabblet | ah, dpkg has alternatives for that too |
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| 15:48.31 | babilen | nabblet: Yeah, jitsi is promising but wasn't quite there yet the last time I tried it (which was a couple of months ago) |
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| 15:51.11 | petn-randall | jitsi++ |
| 15:53.10 | ChrisH | refrax: thanks for the feedback |
| 15:55.14 | nabblet | babilen: i find that the nightly builds are much more usable than the other builds they offer. they re-organized their webseite though and don't show the nightly builds any more. not sure if they don't want people to use it or just forgot about it |
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| 15:58.03 | nabblet | babilen: git-annex sounds interesting! but it's not what i am looking for. windows client is alpha... and for syncing data with myself i already have a rsync solution |
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| 16:10.10 | vizzy | hi, using debian testing, jessie with kde, i mentioned that since the last update the networkmanager in kde dont find any network interfaces, but ifconfig tells me there are at least one eth0 and two wlans. |
| 16:10.25 | vizzy | did anyone experienced this too? |
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| 16:15.56 | vizzy | solved.... but feels a bit like windows... had to restart the laptop 2 times and network manager works again :D |
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| 16:17.12 | Klaus_Dieter | vizzy: the network manager has been broken since it was first created and it still is. |
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| 16:17.26 | vizzy | Klaus_Dieter, AH! :) |
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| 16:17.52 | vizzy | i used lenny before for years, and never ot the nm working, so i just do it manually by editing wpa_supplicant and interfaces |
| 16:18.12 | Klaus_Dieter | this has been going on since 2007 - sometimes it does work - but usually it just doesn't so I usually set up the interfaces manually for wifi I use wpa_supplicant. |
| 16:18.33 | vizzy | but for the last month im using jessie it was working like a charm |
| 16:19.20 | vizzy | Klaus_Dieter, thx. i just needed to know this fact to be sure |
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| 16:20.05 | vizzy | the only crux is i installed the properitary nvivia driver on my t61p, so i lost support for nouveau driver i would prefer now |
| 16:20.06 | Klaus_Dieter | yeah. sometimes it does. but as soon as vpns come into play the darn thing just does whacky stuff. since I use vpn heavily I stopped using it. for the easy stuff nm usually (not always) works well but even then there are glitches now and then like missing interfaces. this usually is due to missing communication between the different entities of the nm infrastructure & dbus |
| 16:20.44 | vizzy | sorry i changed the topic, hehe |
| 16:21.04 | Klaus_Dieter | can't comment on nouveau. |
| 16:21.08 | vizzy | i'm going to try to unsinatll the nvidia stuff now :) |
| 16:21.34 | vizzy | Klaus_Dieter, nvidia just overwrites all your opengl and mesalibs, screwing up the system when it comes to free drivers |
| 16:21.43 | zykotick9 | vizzy: fyi, installing nvidia propritary adds a blacklist for nouveau (sorry i don't remember the file involved) |
| 16:22.11 | vizzy | zykotick9, uuuh, goooood to know! |
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| 16:22.26 | vizzy | yeah, the modules blacklist, ill look at it |
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| 16:24.39 | vizzy | zykotick9, thx !!! theres a lot of nvidia configs in /etc/modprobe.d ... that explains! |
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| 16:28.54 | jhutchins_wk | Klaus_Dieter: Actually the network manager has worked well since squeeze for most people. |
| 16:29.18 | jhutchins_wk | Klaus_Dieter: Particularly in stable. |
| 16:29.27 | bsdbeard | any idea which wheezy compatible repo has newer virtualbox versions? |
| 16:30.11 | jelly | bsdbeard: I don't think Oracle makes nice deb repos for their software any more |
| 16:30.34 | bsdbeard | :( |
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| 16:31.19 | ChrisH | https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads looks different |
| 16:31.38 | ChrisH | Virtualkbox 4.3.2/4.3.3 there |
| 16:31.48 | bsdbeard | ohh thanks ChrisH! :o |
| 16:32.16 | bsdbeard | hope this works, my current vbox cant install win81 :( |
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| 16:33.26 | ChrisH | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.41 | ChrisH | ,v virtualbox |
| 16:33.42 | judd | Package: virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+2; wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.2.16-dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.2.16-dfsg-3+b1; sid/contrib: 4.2.16-dfsg-3+b1 |
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| 16:34.38 | obesd | don't worry not installing windows 8 is a blessing :D |
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| 16:34.43 | jeff_e47 | I'm having a problem with my Debian box. I'm getting an error on reboot from mountall.sh: "Mounting local filesystems...failed. /etc/init.d/mountall.sh: line 59: kill: 920 1: arguments must be process or job IDs". All my filesystems end up mounting RO as a result. I'm not sure what's going on. |
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| 16:35.11 | bsdbeard | jeff_e47, :o I need it |
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| 16:36.04 | jelly | jeff_e47: which debian release is that, and which version of initscripts package is installed? |
| 16:36.28 | marc_smith | hello all. I have an installation of Debian Testing on a DM-Crypt where I have boot partition unencrypted and root filesystem encrypted using cryptsetup_luks. The problem is - I recently messed up with the system, but only root filesystem is restored, because I didn't include /boot partition into my copy. Any way to rebuilt /boot partition? system thinks it has those files, so I can't simply reinstall them [kernel and boot files] |
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| 16:37.32 | jelly | marc_smith: why, sure you can reinstall kernel and boot loader packages. |
| 16:37.45 | jeff_e47 | jelly: It's Debian 7.2. How do I find the initscripts version? |
| 16:37.49 | marc_smith | well, when i try to do this, it complains that it can't remove old files |
| 16:37.52 | marc_smith | jelly |
| 16:37.59 | jelly | !tell marc_smith about bat |
| 16:37.59 | XemsDoom | someone also has problem with mariadb ? |
| 16:38.14 | marc_smith | bat? |
| 16:38.19 | jelly | jeff_e47: dpkg -l initscripts |
| 16:38.26 | XemsDoom | I apt-get update + upgrade and it totally crapped up my mariadb installation |
| 16:38.33 | jelly | marc_smith: read the private message from the bot |
| 16:38.46 | XemsDoom | it won't start anymore and stuff....was in their IRC channel now but I can't remove mariadb anymore because of a dpkg script failing |
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| 16:39.19 | marc_smith | k |
| 16:39.23 | jeff_e47 | jelly: Hmm, that doesn't look good: dpkg-deb: error: failed to read archive `initscripts': No such file or directory. But aptitude seems to think it's installed. |
| 16:39.35 | XemsDoom | that's the error http://pastebin.ca/2477517 |
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| 16:40.06 | jelly | jeff_e47: that's lowercase L in dpkg -l ... |
| 16:40.06 | jeff_e47 | jelly: apt-show-versions says initscripts/wheezy uptodate 2.88dsf-41+deb7u1 |
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| 16:42.05 | jelly | jeff_e47: huh. is debsums command available? Run "debsums initscripts" |
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| 16:42.34 | jeff_e47 | jelly: don't have debsums. |
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| 16:43.29 | jeff_e47 | jelly: nm, deb sums was quick to install. It says everything is OK. |
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| 16:46.10 | jelly | jeff_e47: well then, how about "md5sum /etc/init.d/mountall.sh" |
| 16:46.36 | jeff_e47 | jelly: 12977ab22b7d0cc2fea94ed094b24a5a /etc/init.d/mountall.sh |
| 16:47.12 | jelly | jeff_e47: that matches my own, working system |
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| 16:47.55 | BaT | marc_smith:? |
| 16:48.40 | BaT | jelly:? |
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| 16:49.16 | jelly | BaT: your nickname matches a common #debian factoid. You'll have to deal with it, sorry |
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| 16:49.51 | jeff_e47 | jelly: hmm. It looks like that section of mountall.sh deals with initctl. The "pidof" command must not be returning the expected result. |
| 16:49.56 | jelly | "basic apt trobileshooting" is a bitch to type in |
| 16:50.01 | jelly | see! |
| 16:50.44 | jelly | jeff_e47: which init system are you using? dpkg -S /sbin/init |
| 16:50.59 | jeff_e47 | jelly: sysvinit: /sbin/init |
| 16:51.04 | XemsDoom | has nobody mariadb installed? |
| 16:51.35 | jelly | !mariadb |
| 16:51.35 | dpkg | MariaDB is a community-developed fork of <MySQL>, intended to be a backward compatible drop-in replacement. Not in Debian, <ITP> in bug #565308; third-party packages are not supported in #debian. http://mariadb.org/ #maria on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:52.33 | jelly | XemsDoom: people here may not have enough experience with software out of the distro. Hell, it's hard to find a clueful Gnome 3 user, and that's the default GUI... |
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| 16:53.21 | XemsDoom | well it could have been that someone also may have the same issue as me but yeah I totally understand that MariaDB is not offical for Debian so yeah :/ |
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| 16:53.27 | XemsDoom | back to mysql I guess haha <.< |
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| 16:56.21 | jeff_e47 | jelly: any clue? The error comes up when mountall.sh tries to kill /sbin/init to "reopen the control channel" |
| 16:56.40 | jelly | jeff_e47: this wouldn't be a vps of some sort? |
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| 16:56.55 | jeff_e47 | jelly: oh, yes it is. Sorry, I should have said. |
| 16:57.37 | BaT | jelly: ok |
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| 16:58.14 | jelly | jeff_e47: I've only seen this "reopen the control channel" with other users here who managed to accidentally install sysvinit instead of, I think, upstart, on their OpenVZ or Virtuozzo image |
| 16:58.56 | jelly | jeff_e47: check your dpkg and apt logs for something similar (try to find if sysvinit got installed or upgraded recently) |
| 16:59.08 | jeff_e47 | jelly: what's odd is that I haven't installed anything recently. I resized the HD, however, and the error occurred on the reboot. |
| 16:59.14 | BaT | I suspect a bug/problem in the kernel. Where should I report? |
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| 17:00.12 | BaT | I.e. debian bugzilla or upstream? Dunno though, where kernel upstream is... |
| 17:01.29 | XemsDoom | mhh now I cant even install mysql anymore |
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| 17:02.11 | iateadonut | i'm using 790% of my CPU to run a mining program (primecoin) - my pool told me the program stopped at 2am - how can i figure out what made it stop running? |
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| 17:02.37 | jeff_e47 | jelly: This is an xen VPS, and I don't think I've ever had upstart installed. |
| 17:02.40 | XemsDoom | that's the error log from running the installation for mysql http://pastebin.com/KaEi036H |
| 17:03.03 | jelly | jeff_e47: oh, it's not the issue I was thinking of, then |
| 17:03.17 | bsdbeard | How do I tell apt to restart downloading if the speed drops to 0b/s? |
| 17:04.02 | iateadonut | somewhere in /var, i guess? |
| 17:05.08 | petn-randall | iateadonut: You're running a miner on your CPU? Bitcoin? |
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| 17:05.55 | bsdbeard | running a miner on CPU will probably make you spend money on your electricity then you'll earn |
| 17:05.55 | iateadonut | primecoin |
| 17:06.08 | XemsDoom | there are usb-miners which are much more efficient |
| 17:06.13 | iateadonut | well, it finds prime numbers, so there's some scientific benefit to that |
| 17:06.15 | XemsDoom | you might want to get some of those |
| 17:06.33 | iateadonut | and when the linux version of the one that ties to BOINC to make coins is complete, i'll be using that instead. |
| 17:06.45 | bsdbeard | ATI recently released a special GPU for these computations/mining, I think it costs $5500 or something like that |
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| 17:07.33 | iateadonut | apparently GPU's aren't good for finding prime numbers because of branching, but i don't really know |
| 17:07.35 | bsdbeard | Sell your house, buy 20 of those and retire early :p |
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| 17:07.49 | iateadonut | i'm just interested out of curiousity |
| 17:07.50 | hurdorbsd | I am confused in btw Crunchbang/Point Linux/Alt Linux .. I am looking for faster computing on my laptop .. n more support |
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| 17:07.58 | bsdbeard | iateadonut, That's why you need a GPU with lots of ram >10G ram to avoid branching |
| 17:08.07 | hurdorbsd | all being Debian Stable Distros |
| 17:08.35 | petn-randall | hurdorbsd: There is only one Debian stable distro. |
| 17:08.35 | iateadonut | point being, this program stopped around 2am, and i'd like to know in what logs do i look to find out any more information |
| 17:08.59 | obesd | Whats the best iGPU to use on debian wheezy that has full gpu acceleration working out of the box and good driver support? using only wheezy and wheezy-backports main and contrib, no non-free. I suspect a intel HD 4000 fits that bill, but does the newer haswell HD 4600 as well if using the latest kernel available in wheezy-backports ? |
| 17:09.03 | petn-randall | hurdorbsd: The others are *based on* Debian, but distinctively different from Debian. |
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| 17:10.37 | hurdorbsd | But all them use Debian Stable Kernel and other stuff only with a little makeover |
| 17:10.47 | hurdorbsd | Guys which is the fast DE |
| 17:10.48 | bsdbeard | is crunchbang really different? I thought it just has openbox some more configs and additional repos |
| 17:11.08 | bsdbeard | hurdorbsd, install debian, remove gnome, use awesome-wm, profit |
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| 17:11.36 | hurdorbsd | Point Linux/ Crunchbang are almost Debian Stable with a little makeup |
| 17:12.06 | hurdorbsd | awesome-wm ?? gimme a link |
| 17:12.08 | jelly | bsdbeard: changes in initial configs and repos make it different enough that assumptions that can be made about Debian may not be correct |
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| 17:13.19 | bsdbeard | hurdorbsd, you can just google awesome twm, I can show you an image of my setup if you want |
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| 17:14.32 | petn-randall | !based on |
| 17:14.32 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 17:15.05 | hurdorbsd | bsdbeard twm is not what I want .. Actually my assistant also uses my laptop for drafts n all .. N she won't like twm.. so I want something like Openbox/Xfce/Mate .. |
| 17:15.22 | bsdbeard | oh |
| 17:15.29 | petn-randall | hurdorbsd: Then go with xfce4. |
| 17:15.34 | bsdbeard | ^ this |
| 17:15.49 | obesd | xfce is not bad, lightweight but seems to have everything |
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| 17:15.52 | obesd | i like xfce |
| 17:16.08 | hurdorbsd | xfce is like CDE .. |
| 17:16.13 | obesd | i actually hate the latest gnome and wish they never changed from gnome 2.30 |
| 17:16.22 | bsdbeard | obesd, theres forks of gnome 2/3 |
| 17:16.29 | obesd | bsdbeard: yeah mate |
| 17:16.36 | hurdorbsd | Ya obesd .. I agree .. that is y they came up with MATE |
| 17:16.51 | hurdorbsd | ya |
| 17:16.53 | hurdorbsd | :) |
| 17:17.13 | hurdorbsd | is someone wants Debian Stable + non free + Mate = Point Linux |
| 17:17.18 | hurdorbsd | if* |
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| 17:17.26 | bsdbeard | want there cinnamon or something, some other gnome fork |
| 17:17.30 | bsdbeard | wasnt* |
| 17:17.47 | hurdorbsd | cinnamon is good for mint only |
| 17:18.01 | bsdbeard | oh |
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| 17:18.31 | obesd | yeah there is cinnamon which looks more like kde than gnome 2.30 but you can customise it to look like gnome 2.30 still. they are working on making cinnamon more easily portable to other distributions by removing requiring specific gnome versions be installed |
| 17:18.41 | jhutchins_wk | Switching desktop environments probably isn't going to solve performance problems. |
| 17:18.48 | wes_incredible | I'm running Cinnamon on regular Debian and it works just fine. There are simple instructions on how to get the appropriate repo in a Google search. |
| 17:19.23 | hurdorbsd | bsdheard if you have high speed internet with no bandwidth issues try Crunchbang/Point Linux/Alt Linux ( Simply Linux 7.0 ) .. all three are sooo good if you don't want to leave Debian Stable and have no issues using nonfree |
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| 17:19.46 | bsdbeard | hurdorbsd, I'm already using debian stable so whats the point? :D |
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| 17:20.04 | hurdorbsd | for Debian I prefer gnome3 or xfce4 |
| 17:20.25 | bsdbeard | I prefer twms, because I often use my notebook, no mouse |
| 17:20.27 | wes_incredible | I may try xfce4 next. |
| 17:20.45 | hurdorbsd | bsdheard ya I know but you may refer it to others .. who don't know/like to install nonfree and other stuff .. |
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| 17:21.09 | bsdbeard | hurdorbsd, you can just add non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list, in fact you can add crunchbang repos even if you use wheezy :) |
| 17:21.10 | jhutchins_wk | hurdorbsd: Other distributions that are derived from Debian are off topic in this channel. |
| 17:21.10 | hurdorbsd | Ok bsdbeard I am going to try twms right away |
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| 17:21.49 | hurdorbsd | ok I get it .. off topic |
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| 17:24.12 | hurdorbsd | bsdbeard virtual twm or twm |
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| 17:32.14 | hurdorbsd | How to remove all DE in Debian |
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| 17:33.18 | mtn | hurdorbsd: synaptic |
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| 17:33.53 | helo | should i be able to use debootstrap to make a wheezy chroot in a lenny install? |
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| 17:34.25 | helo | do i just need to copy the wheezy debootstrap script from a newer system? |
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| 17:35.40 | jhutchins_wk | helo: You should be able to use the lenny debootstrap I believe. |
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| 17:37.10 | helo | ahh, yeah just had to make a new symlink to the 'sid' script |
| 17:38.00 | jhutchins_wk | helo: What does sid have to do with it? |
| 17:38.39 | SlutaTramsa | Hello, I have a Debian squeeze (6.0.7) server and I only want to install security updates to it. Should I just comment out all the sources in the repository except "http://security.debian.org/" or is there a better/more correct way of doing this? |
| 17:38.41 | helo | well, i just noticed that most of the debootsrap scripts are symlinks to the 'sid' script |
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| 17:39.28 | obesd | +1 SlutaTramsa |
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| 17:41.02 | bsdbeard | hurdorbsd, just remove the gdm3 service |
| 17:41.11 | bsdbeard | hurdorbsd, updaterc.d or something does it |
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| 17:42.53 | jaami | what is free rar compression app name? |
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| 17:44.19 | mumpitzel | jaami: does not exist. only unrar does |
| 17:44.24 | iateadonut | someone recommend a dedicated hosting service |
| 17:44.46 | jaami | thats fine, i can use unrar. thanks |
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| 17:45.03 | Cyis | iateadonut: physical or VPS? |
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| 17:48.36 | hurdorbsd | bsdbeard .. I am also going to try Trinity Desktop tonight |
| 17:49.10 | jhutchins_wk | hurdorbsd: You might want to try to figure out why your desktop is freezing no matter what DE you use. |
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| 17:52.32 | wetzel | hi. i have a dkms question. is it possible to have dkms install a module under a different name? my problem is: i need to use a newer version of the igb module and i am not sure which module will be loaded if two of them exist in the /lib/modules tree. |
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| 17:55.32 | trebor_home | hello. what are the basic differences between debian6 and debian7, that accessing /dev/hidrawX works in deb7 but not in deb6 (like needed in: http://www.trial-n-error.de/posts/2012/12/31/logitech-k810-keyboard-configurator)? opening via fd = open(dev, O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK); works. getting infos via ioctl(fd, HIDIOCGRAWINFO, &info); works, too, but trying to write via write(fd, buf, len); results in "no such device" errors ... can so |
| 17:55.33 | trebor_home | give me hints/tips/urls/man/info pointers to enlight me? |
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| 18:02.54 | jaami | sometime after installing package from add/remove software it is hard to,find actual terminal command to run the program. how do i find that what command is for 7zip-rar package i just installed? |
| 18:04.11 | hurdorbsd | ya jhutchins I tried many .. but the real issue is AMD drivers |
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| 18:07.31 | dabgotra | can anyone help me with a wifi card problem |
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| 18:10.11 | jhutchins_wk | dabgotra: Not if you don't tell us what the problem is. |
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| 18:12.06 | hurdorbsd | wifi card issues ?? |
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| 18:15.00 | jaami | where to get command reference with examples ? |
| 18:15.20 | jaami | man is not enough |
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| 18:16.54 | dabgotra | jhutchins_wk hurdorbsd sorry, i have a x220 laptop i got a apple/atheros full height pci-e card (so I dont have to use proprietary drivers). it is supported by ath9k supposedly. but i see no evidence of it when i do lspci. there is another slot, for a half height pci-e. the screw is stripped, so the intel card is stuck in there for now (i might see someone to try to get that screw out...) |
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| 18:17.08 | dabgotra | but id like to get this atheros to work, its 450m, and the intel card is 300m |
| 18:17.14 | dabgotra | plus its open source drivers |
| 18:17.25 | dabgotra | not detected on debian or trisquel |
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| 18:21.19 | hurdorbsd | use nonfree firmware |
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| 18:22.17 | hurdorbsd | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 18:22.31 | dabgotra | my intel works fine |
| 18:22.38 | dabgotra | on debian |
| 18:22.43 | dabgotra | the goal is actually to use trisquel |
| 18:22.48 | dabgotra | but this is a problem on debian as well |
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| 18:23.08 | mtn | dabgotra: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 18:23.36 | mtn | dabgotra: if you aren't using debian that might not work |
| 18:24.09 | dabgotra | well it says the ath9k auto detects |
| 18:24.14 | hurdorbsd | trisquel is a dream yet as you would need a FREE HARDWARE to run it fully |
| 18:24.43 | dabgotra | thats why i got the atheros but i think there is a bios problem |
| 18:24.54 | dabgotra | someone is telling me the bios has a whitelist for cards that can be installed |
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| 18:26.03 | hurdorbsd | it won't work |
| 18:26.20 | hurdorbsd | non free is the way to go |
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| 18:31.49 | bsdbeard | hurdorbsd, does bsd in your nick stand for BSD? |
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| 18:34.52 | linuxthefish | hi, how do i apt-get remove EVERYTHING to do with a program? |
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| 18:35.46 | mumpitzel | linuxthefish: purge it |
| 18:35.51 | bsdbeard | linuxthefish, purge? |
| 18:35.54 | mumpitzel | but it still won't delete anything inside /home |
| 18:35.59 | mtn | linuxthefish: most likely you can't, some things are going to be in your home directory |
| 18:36.22 | bsdbeard | if it's in home most likely it's in .config or .cache |
| 18:36.53 | mtn | linuxthefish: otherwise, man apt-get |
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| 18:41.56 | snima | Hi |
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| 18:42.28 | snima | I want to run a program |
| 18:42.31 | snima | ./runcuter: line 254: envcheck: command not found |
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| 18:42.52 | snima | what is the envcheck? |
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| 18:43.37 | mumpitzel | snima: what program is it and show us the line in question |
| 18:44.07 | mumpitzel | it's not something that is in debian. so where did you get this script? what does it do? |
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| 18:45.02 | snima | mumpitzel: the name of program is www.cuter |
| 18:45.07 | snima | mumpitzel: http://www.cuter.rl.ac.uk/ |
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| 18:45.35 | snima | mumpitzel: after installing , I have a directory that the name is bin |
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| 18:45.54 | snima | mumpitzel: and it contain number of program |
| 18:46.13 | snima | mumpitzel: one of the is runcuter |
| 18:46.27 | snima | mumpitzel: and another is envcheck |
| 18:46.29 | avRoogh3 | hi. why is that my partition /dev/sdb17 is not recognised by mkfs.ext3 even though (after a 'partprobe') i can see it with an 'fdisk -l /dev/sdb'? |
| 18:46.47 | avRoogh3 | moreso, a simple ls of /dev/sdb* doesn't list it. |
| 18:47.04 | snima | mumpitzel: but runcuter is unable to use envcheck |
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| 18:47.40 | mumpitzel | env |
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| 18:47.43 | mumpitzel | !enter |
| 18:47.43 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:47.49 | snima | mumpitzel: I should update the environment variable ? |
| 18:47.55 | snima | mumpitzel: how? |
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| 19:00.59 | legov | is there a way to install kvm/qemu from aptitude without x11 stuff? |
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| 19:01.16 | bsdbeard | kicks debhelper |
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| 19:05.33 | bsdbeard | meshuggah, o/ |
| 19:05.41 | meshuggah | o/ |
| 19:05.46 | bsdbeard | uh... |
| 19:05.58 | bsdbeard | t-that's not how it ... works |
| 19:06.03 | meshuggah | no? |
| 19:06.09 | meshuggah | \o |
| 19:06.10 | meshuggah | \m/ |
| 19:06.13 | bsdbeard | much better |
| 19:06.21 | meshuggah | sowwie |
| 19:06.30 | bsdbeard | meshuggah isn't very \m/ |
| 19:07.04 | babilen | Please keep off-topic chatter in #debian-offtopic -- thank you. |
| 19:07.34 | bsdbeard | :( alright |
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| 19:08.40 | meshuggah | lol |
| 19:08.46 | twobitsprite | what's the right/best way to specifically allow a user to run "sudo -iu someuser" if you have NOEXEC enabled? Can't put "/bin/su - someuser" in sudoers because su tries to exec() the users's shell... |
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| 19:09.43 | twobitsprite | the sudoers manual doesn't seem to have anything about how to allow running a login shell |
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| 19:15.42 | bsdbeard | is there some way to turn a 32bit debian system into a 64bit system? perhaps some util or command that copies all the configs and list of installed software...? |
| 19:17.10 | bsdbeard | which would be really nontrivial since some packages are named i386somethingsomething, so it would need to find a 64bit equivalent |
| 19:17.22 | Klaus_Dieter | twobitsprite: put su - -c /bin/bash -l or whatever you want to run |
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| 19:19.03 | mumpitzel | bsdbeard: only reinstall. no other way |
| 19:19.19 | bsdbeard | =( |
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| 19:19.24 | mumpitzel | bsdbeard: and no, packages aren't named that way anymore generally. debian is now fully multiarch capable |
| 19:19.31 | bsdbeard | oh |
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| 19:19.44 | mumpitzel | why do you want a 64bit debian exactly? |
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| 19:20.37 | bsdbeard | I was trying 32bit host (debian) with 64bit guest but it didnt work, thinking of trying 64bit host, 64bit guest |
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| 19:27.59 | avRoogh3 | is it possible that there is a limit to the number of partitions that the stable kernel can use on a device? while fdisk sees my /dev/sdb17, i don't see it listed in /dev/ and mkfs.ext3 doesn't see it either. |
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| 19:29.45 | avRoogh3 | is it because the kernel has only 4 bits with which to use for addressing (hence 16 slots) and that i must use LVM instead? |
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| 19:32.34 | zerowaitstate | avRoogh3 you may need to use the GPT partition table instead |
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| 19:33.39 | avRoogh3 | zerowaitstate: thanks for the prompt reply zerowaitstate. would a shift over to GPT mean damaging my existing partitions? |
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| 19:34.52 | zerowaitstate | that really depends on the BIOS. Traditional BIOS can only see MBR partitions. You have to use UEFI to boot from GPT |
| 19:35.30 | avRoogh3 | eek. |
| 19:35.45 | avRoogh3 | zerowaitstate: thanks for the information. i'll have a read around. |
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| 19:36.43 | zerowaitstate | avRoogh3: in short, it isn't trivial. If LVM solves the problem I would do that instead |
| 19:36.56 | avRoogh3 | zerowaitstate: ok noted. |
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| 19:47.10 | somiaj | any clue why my wireless card will not stay assoicated with my ap? I am constantlly having to run 'iwconfig wlan1 essid foo' and 'iwconfig wlan1 ap any' to get it to reassoicate with the ip as it drops the assoication randomally |
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| 19:47.43 | ompaul | somiaj: distance from ap, bad drivers are usually the cause of that kind of thing |
| 19:47.56 | ompaul | somiaj: you might also consider restarting the ap |
| 19:48.00 | somiaj | ompaul: I will go with bad drivers, as my android doesn't have the issue |
| 19:48.07 | somiaj | its a university ap, I don't have access to that |
| 19:48.28 | ompaul | lspci in paste.d.o please |
| 19:48.36 | somiaj | my realtek drivers don't even assoicate, my cisco rt2800usb card is the one I have to coax to keep connencted |
| 19:49.01 | somiaj | "Bus 001 Device 016: ID 1737:0078 Linksys WUSB100 v2 RangePlus Wireless Network Adapter [Ralink RT3070]" -- that is the card I'm using now |
| 19:49.15 | somiaj | from lsusb |
| 19:49.45 | somiaj | Note, they both work just fine on my home network, it is only the large university wireless network they seem to have trouble assoicating with. |
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| 19:53.39 | Gregor2 | can someone tell me how to open two instances of a programm? |
| 19:54.04 | somiaj | Gregor2: what program? |
| 19:54.20 | Gregor2 | Skype! |
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| 19:54.53 | Gregor2 | but it would be nice if it works with everything! |
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| 19:56.57 | somiaj | I don't know if skype will allow multiple instances in an easy fashion. |
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| 19:58.22 | acu | I have taken a disk from A Dell server - the disk was in an array - I did not break the array - and now I cannot use the disk |
| 19:58.42 | somiaj | http://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/How-to-open-two-Skype-accounts-on-Linux/td-p/398151 -- according to this you should be able to just run a second instance, it will just complain another is running |
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| 19:59.28 | somiaj | read that, there are some solutions Gregor2 |
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| 20:18.30 | no_gravity | Strange, on one of my machines, mapping shift-tab in vim with "nnoremap <S-tab> :tabprevious<CR>" doesnt work. Is something else capturing shift-tab? Any ideas what that could be? |
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| 20:20.17 | somiaj | no_gravity: what window manager, sometimes their keybindings will be the top level and not pass them to the application |
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| 20:20.40 | somiaj | no_gravity: also check the program 'xev' and hit shift-tab in there, and read the output, see if it sees the correct keys being pushed |
| 20:22.30 | no_gravity | somiaj: in a terminal. i use gnomes terminal. it works when i ssh into other machines. just not that one. |
| 20:22.55 | no_gravity | somiaj: xev gives me xev: unable to open display '' |
| 20:23.16 | somiaj | oh so this is an ssh issue, I was thinking xorg |
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| 20:23.30 | somiaj | yea you want to run xev on the local machine, if it is an issue with one machine you ssh into I have no ideas on that |
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| 20:24.08 | no_gravity | the screen blinks when i hit shift-tab. |
| 20:24.29 | no_gravity | im in screen by the way. but i also ssh+screen into other machines, and shift-tab works. just not on this machine. |
| 20:25.01 | somiaj | sounds like lots of layers, I am not sure what one could be the issue. |
| 20:25.10 | somiaj | have you tried on that machine without screen? |
| 20:25.39 | somiaj | elmite screen is doing something strange, if that is not the case maybe look at the sshd config, maybe there is something there |
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| 20:31.09 | ttback | anyone has experience installing pypy on debian? |
| 20:31.37 | ttback | the apt-get install pypy doesn't seem to work |
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| 20:36.01 | no_gravity | somiaj: ok, thanks for the help! |
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| 20:40.30 | bsdbeard | aw yisss, 64bit guest works on 32bit debian with the 4.3virtualbox (doesn't work with the one in stable) |
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| 20:44.15 | tremon | somehow, dpkg is not running update-initramfs after installing a new kernel which causes the postinst script to fail. Is linux-image-3.11-2-amd64 failing for anyone else with cannot stat ‘/boot/initrd.img-3.11-2-amd64’: No such file or directory ? |
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| 20:45.51 | petn-randall | tremon: 3.11 is not in stable. Are you on jessie/sid? Is this a stock kernel or a custom built one? |
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| 20:46.32 | tremon | I'm tracking jessie. If that kernel isn't yet in testing, my machine isn't doing what I mean ;) |
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| 20:51.10 | petn-randall | tremon: I see. It works for me, but it's best to continue this discussion on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (since it's kinda off-topic here). |
| 20:52.10 | tremon | ok |
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| 20:55.09 | micket | Can i increase the time that pwmconfig turns off the fans? 5 seconds is to short. I can clearly hear the fan start to slowly go down.. and then 5 seconds has passed and pwmconfig complains about finding no correlation. |
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| 20:56.28 | micket | Of course.. i answer "yes" to the question, but in the end, it generates a fancontrol file with all values except "INTERVA" blank. |
| 20:56.32 | micket | and fancontrol won't even start. |
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| 20:57.25 | maxorator | http://pastebin.com/VvgnCrBV <-- getting this on testing channel, some bug in glib? |
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| 21:07.32 | pbodymind | how can I check the timezone of my debian? |
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| 21:09.49 | ectospasm | pbodymind: date |
| 21:10.01 | pbodymind | date does not say my timezone |
| 21:10.06 | pbodymind | if its omitted is UTC? |
| 21:10.23 | mumpitzel | date +%Z |
| 21:10.49 | mumpitzel | tho, date alone DOES tell you the timezone. right before the year |
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| 21:11.02 | WWWest | Hi! I installed kolab without giving priority to the kolab repo. so it insalled everything, and now kolab is broken because apt resolved the dependencies with the debian repo. now that I have given priority to the kolab repo, how do I get apt to reinstall everything using it? |
| 21:11.15 | pbodymind | yeah.. it says.. WET i thougt it was WED (wednesday) |
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| 21:11.44 | DammitJim | is visudo built with the same mechanism as crontab? |
| 21:11.47 | WWWest | aptitude update & then upgrade doesn't do anything |
| 21:12.19 | honestly | so some of my debian VMs (in virtualbox) have something like a 1-minute delay when I log in via ssh |
| 21:12.33 | WWWest | http://docs.kolab.org/en-US/Kolab_Groupware/3.0/html/Community_Installation_Guide/chap-Community_Installation_Guide-Installation.html (so I skipped step 2 from 3.2.1.1. ) |
| 21:12.37 | honestly | I didn't do anything to them as far as I am aware |
| 21:12.43 | honestly | how do I debug that? |
| 21:13.28 | DammitJim | what's your host? |
| 21:13.42 | ScottE | honestly: possibly reverse DNS lookup from the server |
| 21:13.42 | DammitJim | or what is the client machine? |
| 21:13.47 | honestly | an archlinux |
| 21:13.54 | honestly | ScottE: hmm, yeah |
| 21:14.02 | honestly | that seems likely |
| 21:14.06 | DammitJim | is it any faster with ip? |
| 21:14.19 | micket | The pwmconfig script says someone increased the time from 3 to 5 seconds to allow large fans to speed down enough.. I had to bump it u to 20 seconds to get a pwmconfig working on my computer. It just barely goes below 75% of full speed then. |
| 21:14.27 | ScottE | honestly: you can try setting UseDNS to "no" in sshd and see if that helps |
| 21:14.29 | x-treme | having a problem ssh'ing into my debian server. i can connect to it, but all logins show access denied, even though i'm 100% sure that the password is correct. sshd_config is the standard debian configuration, only the listening port has been changed. what's going on? |
| 21:14.43 | honestly | no, must be a reverse lookup |
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| 21:14.50 | x-treme | if it matters, using kitty (putty) to login to the server |
| 21:15.07 | honestly | huh, why does logging in by IP not use my key o.O |
| 21:15.21 | honestly | oh |
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| 21:15.24 | honestly | nevermind that |
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| 21:15.38 | DammitJim | wrong server, honestly ? |
| 21:15.51 | honestly | tried it while I was already logged in |
| 21:16.00 | DammitJim | lol |
| 21:16.13 | DammitJim | I have a slow log on when using Putty and a windows machine |
| 21:16.22 | honestly | same delay with ip login, must be a reverse lookup from the sshd |
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| 21:16.59 | DammitJim | is the delay after you put in your password? |
| 21:17.05 | honestly | no, before |
| 21:17.12 | Dai-Roze | is there anyway to turn off 3d-acceleration in Gnome 3? cause my VirtualBox cant handle it |
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| 21:17.52 | zykotick9 | Dai-Roze: with gnome-shell = no. you can try gnome fallback (or whatever it's called these days) |
| 21:17.59 | ScottE | Dai-Roze: only by using the fallback mode. gnome-shell requires acceleration |
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| 21:18.52 | honestly | yep, it was the usedns (: |
| 21:18.55 | honestly | thanks! |
| 21:19.00 | ScottE | Great honestly, glad that worked! |
| 21:19.05 | Dai-Roze | it worked fine in squeeze :'( |
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| 21:21.05 | DammitJim | what's the purpose of usedns, then? |
| 21:21.24 | obesd | Dai-Roze: because the new gnome 3 UI requires acceleration thats why. it has a Gnome Classic mode in the latest mode which doesnt require acceleration |
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| 21:22.04 | obesd | Dai-Roze: because the new gnome 3 UI requires acceleration thats why. it has a Gnome Classic mode in the latest gnome* which doesnt require acceleration |
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| 21:22.28 | Stygia | Hey. |
| 21:22.52 | Stygia | I'm having trouble making the nvidia driver work on Jessie. |
| 21:23.14 | Stygia | I've installed the dkms for the proprietary nvidia driver, and I run nvidia-xconfig |
| 21:23.20 | Stygia | Which generates a xorg.conf |
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| 21:24.05 | mumpitzel | Stygia: is the nvidia kernel module loaded? |
| 21:24.15 | Stygia | If I restart the xserver, black screen and the window manager (lightdm) doesn't start. Remove the xorg.conf and restart lightdm and it refuses to start. I added the resolutions in the "Modes" setting in xorg.conf, but it still doesn't started. |
| 21:24.23 | Stygia | mumpitzel, I modprobe'd nvidia |
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| 21:24.39 | mumpitzel | that's not what I asked. also pastebin your xorg log when you have a xorg.conf |
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| 21:29.27 | Dai-Roze | obesd: gnome-classic-session package? |
| 21:29.40 | amgarchIn9 | Hi. Does "fakeroot debian/rules custom" apply patches in debian/patches? I untarred the sources, copied debian/ dir from git and execute those "rules". |
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| 21:31.43 | amgarchIn9 | Original README.Debian from a stock wheezy pkg advised to 1) apt-get source atlas 2) apt-get build-dep atlas and 3) fakeroot debian/rules custom |
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| 21:33.49 | amgarchIn9 | I understand "apt-get source" aplies debian/patches. Does that mean that executing "debian/rules" does not? |
| 21:34.29 | amgarchIn9 | Hm. Would be not logical if it did. |
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| 21:35.27 | amgarchIn9 | Then how do I fake the complete effect of "apt-get source" starting from upstream sources and debian directory? |
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| 21:38.35 | amgarchIn9 | to mention the original problem, ATLAS package that provides BLAS libs enables 2 threads in Wheezy. Now if I start 8 processes on 8 cores, that is oversubscription. |
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| 21:39.07 | amgarchIn9 | and there is no way to disable that behaviour, except for re-compilation |
| 21:40.36 | somiaj | amgarchIn9: apt-get source downloads the source tree, wich contains the upstream source and the patches. I thought the patches were applied during the build. |
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| 21:41.04 | somiaj | amgarchIn9: maybe take a step back, are you trying to compile a custom package without any debian patch, or is there one in paticular you don't need? |
| 21:41.20 | amgarchIn9 | it aplies them immediately. Before you start the build. |
| 21:42.13 | jhutchins_wk | amgarchIn9: That doesn't sound right. |
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| 21:42.38 | amgarchIn9 | I am trying to compile as close to wheezy as possible, albeit with threading disabled. I am not sure I am reproducing the sequence correctly. |
| 21:43.06 | somiaj | is it a patch or a ./configure option that makes it threaded? |
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| 21:43.40 | somiaj | maybe check the options you can send to ./configure, is there one that --disables-threading or something like that? |
| 21:43.58 | obesd | Dai-Roze: I believe gnome classic is a default part of gnome, in earlier gnome 3 versions there is gnome fallback |
| 21:44.13 | Stygia | So, I installed the remaining packages for nvidia and rebooted, still Jessie. This is my xorg.conf and xrandr when trying and failing to start with nvidia: http://pastebin.com/FLaPtL5t. This is relevant bits of my lspci: http://pastebin.com/rm3baN6H. If I have use this xorg.conf, my dm won't start (lightdm). |
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| 21:44.30 | Stygia | This worked previously on this box, I reinstalled. |
| 21:45.20 | amgarchIn9 | at least it looks like the patches are applied on "apt-get source": http://pastebin.com/YAVFibtG |
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| 21:45.35 | obesd | Stygia: your lspci is not listing a nvidia card ? |
| 21:45.40 | somiaj | Stygia: backup that xorg.conf file, and delete all the parts except the Device section. |
| 21:46.06 | somiaj | Stygia: most thinkgs should auto detect, and you just need to tell xorg to use the nvidia non-free driver |
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| 21:46.27 | somiaj | and yes I'm with obesd, the only vga controler I see is an intel one |
| 21:46.28 | Stygia | obesd, I think the nvidia one is for one of these embedded intel ones? |
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| 21:46.42 | Stygia | The nvidia driver I mean. |
| 21:47.00 | Stygia | That's something I read a couple of days ago... maybe I got that wrong to begin with. |
| 21:47.08 | obesd | Stygia: did you leave out the nvidia bit in lspci? an nvidia card in lspci should show the word nvidia |
| 21:47.22 | jhutchins_wk | Stygia: Intel drivers for Intel chipsets, Nvidia drivers for Nvidia chipsets, no crossover. |
| 21:47.33 | obesd | Stygia: the nvidia card is not part of those intel entries in your lspci |
| 21:47.43 | Stygia | It's possible I was looking at the wrong box. But no, it doesn't seem like I have an intel one at all. |
| 21:47.44 | zykotick9 | Stygia: try "lspci -v | grep -i vga" see two cards now? |
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| 21:47.58 | obesd | Stygia: Is this a laptop? |
| 21:48.08 | Stygia | I wonder where I got that idea then. No, only one vga, intel. |
| 21:48.11 | Stygia | And, yes, it's a laptop. |
| 21:48.31 | obesd | A recent laptop? recent laptops have optimus |
| 21:49.05 | Stygia | Lenovo L530. |
| 21:49.10 | amgarchIn9 | somiaj: that is what I did. I have candidates for debian/* files. The question is how I proceed so that "fakeroot debian/rules custom" is at the end of the sequenc. |
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| 21:49.48 | somiaj | amgarchIn9: you need to modify the debian/rules script to send the correct flags to ./confgiure is how I've done it in the past |
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| 21:50.18 | somiaj | I'm not familar with the debian/rules custom option though, I build packages so rarely I don't keep up with every feature. |
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| 21:50.24 | Stygia | I'll see if I can get the intel driver to work. Wonder where on Earth I got the notion that I needed the nvidia driver to begin with. I could swear I read something sane somewhere. |
| 21:50.30 | obesd | Stygia: this one http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/l-series/l530/?tt=b#techspecs ? they dont seem to list a nvidia card as an option, is there a different one with an nvidia card? |
| 21:50.42 | monsterco | Hi everyone - what file should I tamper to change the local IP on a debian 7.2? |
| 21:50.48 | amgarchIn9 | how do I "ask [dpkg] about <debian/rules>"? |
| 21:51.01 | obesd | i must lol now :) |
| 21:51.01 | Stygia | obesd, Like I said, I'm not sure it's meant to have nvidia at all. |
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| 21:51.27 | Stygia | Probably fair enough. |
| 21:51.32 | amgarchIn9 | somiaj: I did. I am faraid when i start from "fakeroot debian/rules custom" not all preps have been done. |
| 21:51.33 | obesd | Stygia: ahh right, it is possible, and does look like, your laptop probably doesnt have an nvidia card in it at all |
| 21:51.47 | Stygia | obesd, Probably not. |
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| 21:52.26 | obesd | Stygia: that could explain alot :) |
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| 21:52.39 | Stygia | obesd, Yea, it could. :P Lets see if I can get my games to work again. |
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| 21:53.01 | luichi | hello |
| 21:53.06 | jhutchins_wk | amgarchIn9: You might want to check the PMs from dpkg. |
| 21:53.07 | amgarchIn9 | I had already used "dpkg-buildpackage" before. But for ATLAS custom builds the instruction says "fakeroot debian/rules custom". |
| 21:53.10 | luichi | is necessary to have gettys? |
| 21:53.31 | jhutchins_wk | monsterco: How did you set the address in the first place? |
| 21:53.43 | amgarchIn9 | dpkg: debian/rules |
| 21:53.43 | dpkg | debian/rules is the makefile used when building a .deb from source, edit it to change compilation options. Some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. See also <makefile>, <hold>, <package recompile>, <source>, <unique package version>. |
| 21:53.46 | somiaj | amgarchIn9: The way I have done it is modify the debian/rules to send the correct flags to ./configure (I belive there is some env varaible you can send it to), and then do debian/rules binary or dpkg-buildpackage. But I'm not sure what 'custom' does |
| 21:53.52 | jhutchins_wk | luichi: Only in case somethnig goes wrong. |
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| 21:54.25 | somiaj | amgarchIn9: the debian new mataines guide is the main documentation for all that, also you can /msg dpkg debian/rules or /msg dpkg factiod so you don't spam the channel. |
| 21:54.34 | luichi | jhutchins_wk: aha, and what aleternatives to getty you recommend? |
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| 21:57.40 | jhutchins_wk | luichi: For what? |
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| 21:58.18 | amgarchIn9 | The bad thing is that this "automatically tuned ..." (AT in ATlas) software takes a few hours t build. So I only do one attempt a day. |
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| 22:03.40 | amgarchIn9 | Do I get it right that "dpkg-buildpackage -Tcustom" will invoke "devian/rules custom" at some point? That is --target in man page. |
| 22:03.50 | amgarchIn9 | ... Calls debian/rules target after having setup the build .. |
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| 22:06.31 | linux_debian | hi all |
| 22:06.39 | amgarchIn9 | next time I'll try "dpkg-buildpackage -b -Tcustom" then |
| 22:06.54 | linux_debian | please I would like to give an user permissions to write in www any help ? |
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| 22:07.58 | amgarchIn9 | google for user_mod apache ~/public_html |
| 22:08.16 | amgarchIn9 | or was it user_dir? |
| 22:08.59 | linux_debian | no in /var/www |
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| 22:09.52 | dast1986 | linux_debian: if you want some users to have write permissions in /var/www, create a new group, add users to the group, make the group owner of the directory you want to permission and set the sticky bit for groups on the directory |
| 22:09.58 | amgarchIn9 | mkdir /var/www/dir; chmod 1777 /var/www/dir; |
| 22:10.09 | dast1986 | linux_debian: and obviously, set the permissions |
| 22:10.46 | dast1986 | amgarchIn9: 777 would mean everybody would be able to write to the directory. I don't think that should be desirable |
| 22:11.16 | amgarchIn9 | just like in /tmp/ |
| 22:11.57 | linux_debian | dast1986: well I am the only user of this system |
| 22:12.10 | dast1986 | and you want to have the permissions only for yourself? |
| 22:12.22 | dast1986 | chown username:group /var/www |
| 22:12.27 | dast1986 | easy as hell :-P |
| 22:13.13 | dast1986 | what I've done on my production web server is adjusted my vhost files to point to directories in my homefolder |
| 22:13.40 | dast1986 | that way, i have the permissions that I need without the need to change the /var/www directory |
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| 22:16.21 | linux_debian | dast1986: this is better right |
| 22:16.34 | linux_debian | well I will try this |
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| 22:16.52 | dast1986 | personally I don't like to play with permissions on folders not in my homedir, but that's a choice you have to make for yourself |
| 22:17.23 | dast1986 | anway, good luck! if you need any help, don't hesitate to send me a message :-) I'm not online much, but i will respond when I am |
| 22:17.58 | linux_debian | :) |
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| 22:21.33 | amgarchIn9 | Stygia: optimus laptops have an option in BIOS to disable NVIDIA completely. I never used it again. |
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| 22:22.21 | amgarchIn9 | nevermind |
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| 22:23.49 | Stygia | amgarchIn9, Funny, installing the intel driver I got a package 'nvidia-install-cleanup' |
| 22:24.30 | obesd | amgarchIn9: they seem to have gotten rid of this option in most new laptops :( |
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| 22:26.17 | jhutchins_wk | amgarchIn9: SOME laptops have that option. |
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| 22:29.16 | amgarchIn9 | That is the change I am trying to backport to wheezy: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=debian-science/packages/atlas.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee68a0e338817efda1f3ce645b23d9cc14ff81e9 |
| 22:29.49 | amgarchIn9 | did it always looked like this or was it the alioth crash? |
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| 22:33.00 | robkinyon | I'm building my own package. I've got it built just fine, it installs just fine, and that's great |
| 22:33.12 | robkinyon | but, when i re-run "apt-get install mypackage", it does an upgrade |
| 22:33.19 | robkinyon | even if i run the command twice in succession |
| 22:33.34 | robkinyon | the installation runs cleanly - what could i be missing? |
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| 22:44.31 | shingouz | robkinyon: dpkg -i <package> installs your on package, apt-get install pulls off the officiak version from the repo. you also might want to put your personal version on hold to make sure it does not get clobbered |
| 22:45.12 | robkinyon | shingouz: i am using apt-s3 and deb-s3 to manage my own repository |
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| 22:45.28 | robkinyon | this is for work - we're packaging all our applications and installing using apt-get from our own repo |
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| 22:47.21 | shingouz | robkinyon: ok, that was not apparent from your original question. unfortunately i have to pass the torch to someone else on this one in that case... no experience on runnning my own custom repository |
| 22:47.41 | robkinyon | shingouz: would this be the right channel to ask the question? |
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| 22:51.38 | thor_ | who can tell me ubuntu or debian to install? |
| 22:51.47 | thor_ | or install both |
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| 22:52.41 | matjaz | why install both? |
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| 22:53.10 | thor_ | can i get the samething on ubuntu in debian? i mean package manager |
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| 22:54.20 | thor_ | i think to learn linux in debian. and i get ubuntu for more mackage |
| 22:54.29 | thor_ | i think to learn linux in debian. and i get ubuntu for more package |
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| 22:55.22 | mtn | thor_: I dont' think any distro has more packages than debian |
| 22:55.26 | matjaz | thor_: no need to do that, just install Debian |
| 22:56.05 | shingouz | robkinyon: i think this would be the correct place.someone will point you to a more correct place if it is not |
| 22:56.11 | thor_ | matjaz: what os is the good os for learning linux |
| 22:56.26 | thor_ | arch or slackware? |
| 22:56.40 | matjaz | thor_: I used arch |
| 22:56.51 | matjaz | and I still do |
| 22:57.15 | shingouz | thor_: you are asking that question on #debian... we will of course answer debian |
| 22:57.18 | thor_ | matjaz: how about the package support |
| 22:57.25 | well_laid_lawn | you need to know how linux works to use arch |
| 22:57.33 | well_laid_lawn | at least some of it |
| 22:57.41 | mtn | well_laid_lawn: or how to read, anyway :P |
| 22:57.52 | well_laid_lawn | heh |
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| 22:58.05 | thor_ | shingouz: i newbiz. i'm asking linux |
| 22:58.39 | matjaz | thor_: if you want to get some info about Arch, join the Arch channel. |
| 22:58.46 | matjaz | I'll say use Debian :) |
| 22:58.46 | shingouz | thor_: debian is a linux distro |
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| 23:02.10 | thor_ | shingouz: i using ubuntu and fedora for few year.. last night i installl debian feel that is hard to me |
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| 23:03.14 | rryoumaa | thor_: i get the sense that most linuxes are pretty similar if you want to learn linux. linux is huge. distros (the delta of what a distro does) are small compared to that. arch might be good because it forces you to build your own distro, i hear; gentoo because it mostly forces you to compile. but from what i have heard, i'd say choose according to your philosophy more than on the possible pedagogical value. |
| 23:03.28 | somiaj | thor_: debian is hard to install/configure if you are new, but you will learn a lot if you make it though and once it is installed/configured it is easy to matain. (: |
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| 23:05.39 | mtn | I don't understand the "Debian is hard to install" message. It installs as fast and as easily as any other distro for me. |
| 23:06.07 | thor_ | rryoumaa: thank |
| 23:06.11 | Kenzumi | bonne nuit |
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| 23:06.57 | thor_ | somiaj: debian wheezy is very ez installl |
| 23:07.56 | thor_ | somiaj: and i have make install irssi on it |
| 23:08.22 | somiaj | mtn/thor, non-free wifi firmware, more choices on desktop/wm to use, possible issues with non-free nvidia of fglxr drivers are very common issues people have |
| 23:08.31 | rryoumaa | thor_: if you can do the partitioning in the installer (kind of unintuitive), don't try to do anything unusual with x windows (maybe all linuxes are sucky that way), and don't have sound issues (this is huge as sound can be flaky), then debian wheezy is probably good |
| 23:08.33 | Aaron | lol why? |
| 23:08.35 | somiaj | compared to say other distros which do that all automatically and include the non-free |
| 23:08.38 | Aaron | do apt-get install irssi better; |
| 23:09.00 | mtn | somiaj: I understand, but that applies to most distros in my opinion |
| 23:09.15 | thor_ | somiaj: non-free wifi just download it auto detect |
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| 23:11.08 | AleskEst_ | debian is for servers i believe. not for workstations |
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| 23:11.26 | zykotick9 | AleskEst_: wrong! |
| 23:11.28 | mtn | AleskEst_: nonsense |
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| 23:12.08 | nabblet | hi, i just set up debian 7 and am using it with fluxbox (so maybe i'm missing some gnome service). My problem: when i attach my external usb hdd for backups, i can not access it as normal users. fuse is active and i can mount it without root - but i can't access it (permission denied). the external hdd works fine on my ubuntu box |
| 23:12.22 | AleskEst_ | never tried it as workstation )) |
| 23:12.44 | somiaj | nabblet: what file system is on the usb hdd? |
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| 23:13.03 | nabblet | somiaj: ext2 |
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| 23:13.29 | thor_ | AleskEst_: what problem do i get if install is desktop |
| 23:13.30 | somiaj | nabblet: ext2 stores permissions/username by id numbers, sounds like the user you want to access it has a different uid on the two boxes |
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| 23:13.45 | nabblet | somiaj: how do i check? |
| 23:14.02 | somiaj | nabblet: if you want to easily use an ext2 file system on different machines, you need to configure the uid numbers to match which can be a pain to change all the permissions for that user |
| 23:14.10 | AleskEst_ | thor_ go away trollbot |
| 23:14.13 | koentje | is there a clean way to prevent apt-get from starting services (e.g. as part of the postrun script)? |
| 23:14.46 | nabblet | somiaj: hm, i think want to move away from ext2 anyway. i only used it becuase it was recommended by drivish (backup program) for performance |
| 23:14.54 | somiaj | nabblet: grep username /etc/passwd and grep username /etc/group -- that will give you the uid/gid for username |
| 23:15.06 | somiaj | nabblet: do that on both systems, compare the numbers |
| 23:15.15 | nabblet | somiaj: i used "id" |
| 23:15.37 | somiaj | koentje: not without editing the scripts as far as I know |
| 23:15.41 | somiaj | nabblet: that works too |
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| 23:16.11 | nabblet | somiaj: debian box : uid=1000(ben) gid=1000(ben) ubuntu box: uid=1001(benedict) gid=1001(benedict) |
| 23:16.15 | nabblet | somiaj: so you're right |
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| 23:16.29 | somiaj | you can change the numbers to be the same |
| 23:16.32 | koentje | somiaj: alright, ty |
| 23:16.56 | somiaj | nabblet: you will just have to make sure to chown -R username.username /home/username once you are done to update the permissions |
| 23:17.05 | somiaj | this is assuming those are the only files on your system owned by that user |
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| 23:17.48 | somiaj | nabblet: I personally like ext? filesystems, but you do have to deal with these permissions issues. |
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| 23:21.23 | nabblet2 | somiaj: sorry, my laptop suddenly died Oo |
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| 23:21.59 | nabblet2 | somiaj: i don't think i saw your last messages |
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| 23:22.37 | nabblet2 | somiaj: so i think the best way would be to upgrade ext2 to ext3 on my external hdd? |
| 23:22.53 | somiaj | nabblet2: changing from ext2 to ext3 or ext4 will not fix this issue |
| 23:23.17 | somiaj | nabblet2: this issue will be with any *nix type file system. You would need to use vfat or some non *nix filesystem which would only be worse in my opinion |
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| 23:23.29 | nabblet2 | somiaj: agreed |
| 23:23.30 | somiaj | nabblet2: my suggestion was to change the uid/gid numbers to match on both machines, and keep the ext2 backup the same |
| 23:23.46 | koentje | is there any reason for me not to disable both PackageManager::Configure and DPkg::ConfigurePending? I'm doing configuration elsewhere, so I don't need apt to edit config files or start services |
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| 23:24.38 | somiaj | nabblet2: so logout of your user on one of the machines, login as root, modify /etc/passwd and /etc/group to change the number, chown -R username.username /home/username to fix all the permissions for that users home |
| 23:24.44 | nabblet2 | somiaj: i was never aware of that limitation (use vfat on all my pendrives)... |
| 23:24.47 | somiaj | nabblet2: this is assuming you don't have files elsewhere that the user owns. |
| 23:25.03 | nabblet2 | somiaj: hm |
| 23:25.20 | somiaj | nabblet2: yea the vfat drivers emulate permissions and you can give ownership to any user you want. The ext2 file systems the permissions are stored in the filesystem, so you have to modify the filesystem to get it to work |
| 23:25.32 | nabblet2 | somiaj: but in that case i also have to chown the external hdd, correct? |
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| 23:25.49 | somiaj | nabblet2: depends on if you change the uid to match what is on the hdd or not |
| 23:26.03 | somiaj | nabblet2: ls -l current_hdd -- see how there is just a number in the permission column |
| 23:26.08 | nabblet2 | somiaj: so the simplest thing will be to change my new setup from 1000 to 1001 |
| 23:26.43 | somiaj | sorry ownership column |
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| 23:26.56 | somiaj | nabblet2: I think all methos are simple enough, just pick one and follow though |
| 23:26.57 | zykotick9 | nabblet2: on debian have you created another user, besides "ben"? if not, if you create a new "benedict" user, it should bet uid 1001, and that user will match on both systems. |
| 23:27.38 | somiaj | and yes I was thinking about what zykotick9 said. you could just create a new user, but then if you want access to the same files you'd have to move things/change ownership. Many ways to get the id numbers to match up |
| 23:27.41 | zykotick9 | s/bet/get/ |
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| 23:28.03 | nabblet2 | somiaj: i'll change my corrent user on the new setup from 1000 to 1001 to match the old setup (and the ext. hdd) |
| 23:28.21 | nabblet2 | zykotick9: good idea, but i want to keep the user name ben - it's shorter |
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| 23:29.05 | somiaj | nabblet2: just make sure you completely log out of that user and such before changing things -- other wise you may find some strange errors when your current loged in user tries to do things (: |
| 23:29.23 | nabblet2 | somiaj: ok, brb |
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| 23:35.42 | nabblet | somiaj: ok, according to /etc/passwd there is no other user that uses 1001 |
| 23:35.53 | nabblet | somiaj: i i just change the line for my user (ben) ? |
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| 23:36.32 | zykotick9 | nabblet: before you do anything - you can log in a root correct (you're not limited to sudo)? |
| 23:36.52 | turduks | **Earn 0.25$ Per Lead **. For Details:http://www.StillRemember.Net/Affiliate.htm |
| 23:37.23 | nabblet | zykotick9: i logged out and logged in as root. hm, i run this terminal from ben. is that a problem? |
| 23:37.47 | nabblet | zykotick9: i did "su ben" and the started irssi |
| 23:37.56 | zykotick9 | nabblet: once you change the UID, your account is gonna be "broken" |
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| 23:38.02 | nabblet | zykotick9: but other than that i am completely in oot |
| 23:38.03 | nabblet | *root |
| 23:38.33 | nabblet | zykotick9: ok. |
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| 23:38.43 | nabblet | zykotick9: so i'll close irssi before i do anything |
| 23:38.56 | zykotick9 | nabblet: i was just checkin' - sounds like you're fine to proceed. |
| 23:39.11 | nabblet | zykotick9: the terminal with ben is no problem? |
| 23:39.31 | zykotick9 | nabblet: i'd suggest logging OUT. of all "ben" logins. |
| 23:39.57 | nabblet | zykotick9: ok. is it safe to use irssi with root? |
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| 23:40.03 | zykotick9 | nabblet: you're gonna have to change ownership of /home/ben after the change! |
| 23:40.13 | zykotick9 | nabblet: NO - don't irc as root |
| 23:40.25 | nabblet | ok - i suspected that answer |
| 23:41.01 | nabblet | zykotick9: 1) modify /etc/passwd (replace 1000 with 1001) 2) chown /home/ben ??? |
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| 23:41.45 | zykotick9 | nabblet: sorry, i've never actually tried what you are attempting... so don't know the correct "procedure" |
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| 23:42.57 | mumpitzel | nabblet: find should be able to look for all files with UID/GID 1000, you can then chown them all. after that you're done |
| 23:43.13 | mumpitzel | there can be more than just /home, e.g. /var/mail |
| 23:44.02 | nabblet | mumpitzel: oh, ok. so how do i do that - sorry, i am currently somwhat limited (no gui) |
| 23:45.37 | nabblet | find / -uid 1000 |
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| 23:47.40 | linux_debian | hi again |
| 23:48.59 | monsterco | jhutchins_wk - I didn't - I am using an OpenVZ image which I think has the networking set to DHCP and that is how it picks up the local IP - I would like to change that to static |
| 23:49.13 | nabblet | what was the other file i had to mod? |
| 23:49.25 | nabblet | apart from /etc/passwd? |
| 23:49.36 | nabblet | for groups i think |
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| 23:50.47 | zykotick9 | nabblet: /etc/group perhaps... |
| 23:50.52 | nabblet | ok |
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| 23:53.37 | nabblet | zykotick9: ok, i did chown -R ben:ben /home/ben (after i modded /etc/passwd and /etc/groups). ls -aln shows me that everything in there now belongs to 1001:1001 |
| 23:53.40 | nabblet | so far so good |
| 23:54.39 | nabblet | ok, there are some files in /proc that are uid=1000 |
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| 23:55.08 | zykotick9 | nabblet: proc is a virtual file system, restarting would probably remove those |
| 23:55.14 | nabblet | ok |
| 23:55.29 | nabblet | then there is some stuff in /tmp |
| 23:55.32 | mumpitzel | all your processes you started as 1001 are still 1001 |
| 23:55.35 | nabblet | don't thinki have to worry about that |
| 23:55.42 | mumpitzel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.43 | nabblet | @ tmp |
| 23:55.51 | nabblet | ok, and some files in /etc |
| 23:55.55 | nabblet | i'll change those |
| 23:56.04 | monsterco | What file is responsible for changing the local network configs from DHCP to STATIC? |
| 23:56.39 | zykotick9 | monsterco: /etc/network/interfaces if you use that (and NOT network-manager) |
| 23:56.48 | nabblet | how and /var/mail/ben |
| 23:56.51 | nabblet | *oh |
| 23:57.22 | nabblet | well, that's it. reboot now? |
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| 23:57.28 | monsterco | zykotick9 - network-manager? is that a gui tool? no gui here |
| 23:57.48 | zykotick9 | monsterco: usually n-m is gui yes (but doesn't have to be, i hear) |
| 23:58.03 | mumpitzel | monsterco: you can use it on console too if you want. but /etc/network/interfaces takes precedence if a interface is configured there |
| 23:58.12 | nabblet | monsterco: check your processes if something is running that mods your network settings |
| 23:58.56 | nabblet | brb |
| 23:59.33 | monsterco | thanks guys - just installed network-manager and will remove lines from /etc/network/interfaces but typing network-manager still gives me unknown command |
| 23:59.48 | monsterco | what is the right command name to launch network-manager? |