| 00:00.04 | Mattx | is confused |
| 00:00.10 | guest43563 | I got this error E: The value 'testing' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 00:00.35 | cvillelk | it's because Linux pages things in RAM that are quickly disposable. If a program decides it needs more RAM linux purges the buffers/cache to make room |
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| 00:01.22 | Mattx | so I guess it won't solve the problem I have in gnome |
| 00:01.24 | peterS | right, and just hitting /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches does not necessarily have an instant effect. it may need to spend some time _writing_ cached content to disk. |
| 00:01.25 | cvillelk | top is reporting everything including buffers/cache. However buffers and cache are only useful for performance |
| 00:02.14 | frikinz | if the disk is not spinning when system slows and you have swap enabled (most likely) then its not a ram issue. probably a driver issue |
| 00:02.30 | frikinz | or gnome |
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| 00:02.37 | peterS | I like how the top report has xfdisktop (is that XFce? I don't know), plus kded4, plus some Gnome stuff |
| 00:03.11 | peterS | well, I suppose the gnome stuff is really also XFce. But I still have to wonder what 'kded4' is |
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| 00:03.49 | tomatosalad | So, uh, anybody have success booting a live USB on OSX using this? It's designed for Ubuntu but I'm wondering if it'll handle Debian ok as well https://github.com/SevenBits/Mac-Linux-USB-Loader |
| 00:03.53 | olf-folks | gotta love the ram talk with new users |
| 00:04.10 | tomatosalad | also, if so, have you managed a full install from it? |
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| 00:05.14 | Mattx | I'll move to gnome again, if it freezes I'll check free and the disk use |
| 00:05.15 | Mattx | thanks |
| 00:05.21 | tomatosalad | I am suffering from a distinctive lack of DVDs, sadly, and I'm wondering if I can get it done with live USBs |
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| 00:06.00 | peterS | tomatosalad: "booting from OSX" seems like a strange approach in general. I mean why not just boot the system from your boot media regardless of what other OSes may be installed on it |
| 00:06.43 | frikinz | Still a high VIRT for chrome! wow |
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| 00:06.50 | tomatosalad | peterS: er, s/live USB on OSX/live USB on a Mac/ |
| 00:07.07 | tomatosalad | :P |
| 00:08.20 | guest43563 | how to calibrate screen? |
| 00:08.22 | peterS | frikinz: yeah but you can't really go by that. tons of software allocates huge amounts of RAM and never uses it. VIRT vs. RES on just about anything is a dramatic difference |
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| 00:08.50 | tomatosalad | anybody, has anybody currently here done what I'm proposing to do? |
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| 00:09.27 | peterS | tomatosalad: well that makes more sense. I wasn't just being pedantic though. There _do_ exist approaches for booting one OS from within another. There is / was a Windows executable for example that causes the system to reboot into a Debian installer environment, somehow. (I never investigated what it actually does.) |
| 00:09.47 | tomatosalad | peterS: ...whoa. |
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| 00:10.03 | tomatosalad | shrugs |
| 00:10.52 | tomatosalad | well, I suppose I'll give the USB writer program a shot with XFCE live, if it works I'll cross my fingers, move some stuff around and try a real install |
| 00:10.53 | frikinz | peterS: yes I know but 7GB VIRT still seems amazing. depends what the process maps. don't use chrome so can't check |
| 00:10.53 | peterS | anyway I don't have any Mac hardware. I mean if you don't count the 68030 in the basement. So I don't know if there are reasons to expect it to be able to boot or not boot your USB disk |
| 00:10.55 | tomatosalad | thank god for backups |
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| 00:11.48 | tomatosalad | peterS: Yeah, I haven't the faintest of what that utility is capable of. I *think* it's fairly straightforward copying, but it introduces special EFI stuff to make it work on OSX *and* with specific distros. I just tried to make a live tails and it puked at the GRUB prompt |
| 00:12.26 | tomatosalad | peterS: over a year ago I dualbooted Ubuntu, but that was from a DVD and with quite a bit of documentation and first hand experience from somebody elsewhere |
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| 00:13.35 | peterS | tomatosalad: the one hangup I'd expect is if Mac hardware defaults to a BIOS setting in which it refuses to boot OSes that are not cryptographically signed by some trusted authority. I have no idea if Apple has done that, but it is exactly the sort of thing they _would_ do, even more than Microsoft, who is known to actually do it |
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| 00:14.40 | tomatosalad | Well, like I said, Ubuntu worked fine, but that was from DVD. I think their weird hangup is USB stuff -- even on older hardware, you can only boot from optical media |
| 00:15.02 | frikinz | cryptographically signed government backdoor ^^ |
| 00:15.09 | tomatosalad | hush. |
| 00:15.18 | peterS | ah, no, that was Windows, back in 2000 or so. |
| 00:15.25 | peterS | the famous _NSAKEY |
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| 00:19.37 | guest43563 | the system setting have a color pane, with a disabled grayed out calibrate button |
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| 00:22.44 | brian32 | http://pastebin.com/KAxbUkWR ? |
| 00:22.53 | reavengrey | ! |
| 00:24.03 | terminalmage | I added the backports repo by creating /etc/apt/sources.list.d/wheezy-backports.list with a single line: 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy-backports main' (without quotes of course). However, after doing an apt-get update the newer version appears in apt-cache policy but is not the install candidate (see http://dpaste.com/1435703/). Did I make a n00b mistake? I'm more of an arch/redhat guy and there |
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| 00:24.05 | terminalmage | are considerable gaps in my apt knowledge. |
| 00:24.15 | guest43563 | anyone know how to calibrate screen colors? |
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| 00:26.38 | StuckMojo | hi. how can i mark a package that was automatically installed as non-auto? i.e. i installed "postgresql" which depends on whatever version is current, which installed postgresql-9.2. |
| 00:26.52 | StuckMojo | i'm now doing a safe-upgrade and it's going to uninstall 9.2 and install 9.3 |
| 00:27.00 | StuckMojo | i want to keep 9.2 around |
| 00:27.14 | StuckMojo | i do want 9.3 too |
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| 00:28.05 | petern_ | apt-get install postgresql-9.2 would do it |
| 00:28.05 | StuckMojo | aha |
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| 00:28.22 | StuckMojo | aptitude unmarkauto <package> seems likely |
| 00:28.26 | petern_ | apt-mark manual postgresql-9.2 also, but that may not be around |
| 00:28.33 | petern_ | aptitude... o_O |
| 00:28.50 | StuckMojo | eh? what's wrong with aptitude? ;) |
| 00:28.52 | petern_ | e |
| 00:29.01 | StuckMojo | back in the day it was preferred over apt-get |
| 00:29.18 | StuckMojo | nowadays they're both based on the same libraries so it matters little i guess |
| 00:29.23 | petern_ | i find it redundant, and slow. so it's not installed for me. |
| 00:29.36 | StuckMojo | but i think aptitude is still better at solving odd dependency issues |
| 00:29.37 | Optic | should just switch to yum/rpm :D |
| 00:29.39 | Optic | ducks |
| 00:29.47 | StuckMojo | Optic: fooie! |
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| 00:30.11 | petern_ | dunno, i never manage to get my systems into a state that apt can't sort out. |
| 00:30.14 | phogg | aptitude is better at solving some kind of dependency issues, apt-get seems to win other times |
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| 00:30.41 | phogg | petern_: believe me it can be done, just do enough unwise things |
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| 00:30.50 | phogg | involving sid and experimental a lot helps |
| 00:31.02 | petern_ | sure, it can, but... yeah, by doing things that you ought not to |
| 00:31.05 | StuckMojo | petern_: run sid for a while ;) |
| 00:31.17 | StuckMojo | and don't run apt-get upgrade for like a month |
| 00:31.22 | phogg | petern_: well, they are all things I ought to do. Just not wise. |
| 00:31.29 | StuckMojo | you'll almost certainly end up in knots when you finally do |
| 00:31.51 | phogg | StuckMojo: a month is easy to unscrew. Try tracking stable but only doing full upgrades every 6 months |
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| 00:32.15 | phogg | you can so easily miss the window where a transition is even possible |
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| 00:32.28 | StuckMojo | well, a month is probably ok, but like 3 is definitely a recipe for trouble (with sid anyway)( |
| 00:32.32 | JZA | hi I need some help on setting a subdomain on my debian system |
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| 00:32.38 | StuckMojo | ran sid on his desktop for about 5 years |
| 00:32.50 | StuckMojo | got *lots* of practice un-breaking things ;) |
| 00:32.50 | JZA | afaik I got my apache onfigured with the enabled sites, but I want to know where can I configure the domain A records on my system (DNS) |
| 00:33.04 | StuckMojo | which has served me well since |
| 00:33.06 | peterS | I've never thought aptitude's command-line mode was terribly useful, but I use it in full-screen mode all the time. it can quickly show me dependency stuff and let me sort out what I really want much, much faster than I can do by running apt commands |
| 00:33.21 | StuckMojo | incidentally aptitude unmarkauto did the trick |
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| 00:33.58 | StuckMojo | JZA: are you running your own DNS server on it? i.e. BIND ? |
| 00:34.05 | peterS | StuckMojo: by the way, this bit me recently: don't use 'aptitude hold' to put a package on hold, and then expect apt-get to honor that. It won't. there's an old bug about this. |
| 00:34.19 | StuckMojo | peterS: oho, thanks |
| 00:34.39 | peterS | StuckMojo: to _really_ put a package on hold: echo {package} hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
| 00:34.43 | JZA | StuckMojo: I am not sure, this is a VPS and probably the bind is ran upstream, but if I am, I would like to know where do I verify this |
| 00:34.58 | StuckMojo | i know there are still small inconsistancies between them, so i try to always use aptitude, or fall back on directly using dpkg |
| 00:34.59 | JZA | *bind services |
| 00:35.12 | StuckMojo | ummmm |
| 00:35.54 | frikinz | terminalmage: backports are deactivated (pinned 100, lower than 500) by default: apt-get -t wheezy-backport install libreoffice |
| 00:35.57 | StuckMojo | ps aux | grep named |
| 00:36.14 | terminalmage | ahh so *that's* what that number means |
| 00:36.21 | terminalmage | TIL |
| 00:36.25 | terminalmage | thanks frikinz |
| 00:36.38 | frikinz | terminalmage: backports* |
| 00:37.05 | StuckMojo | JZA: but there are other dns severs besides bind |
| 00:37.10 | StuckMojo | best to check the port |
| 00:37.20 | StuckMojo | and i can't remember which one it is |
| 00:37.26 | StuckMojo | although i *think* it's udp |
| 00:37.45 | JZA | lsof? |
| 00:38.00 | StuckMojo | aha 53 |
| 00:38.13 | StuckMojo | bingo |
| 00:38.14 | JZA | quick google say 53 |
| 00:38.18 | StuckMojo | netstat -an | grep 53 |
| 00:38.21 | StuckMojo | tcp 0 0 208.81.240.123:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 00:38.27 | StuckMojo | as you can see i'm running one |
| 00:39.14 | JZA | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3385410 |
| 00:39.27 | StuckMojo | if it's a VPS then you probably have some tool that your host provides you to modify your dns |
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| 00:40.01 | JZA | StuckMojo: I see, that's what I was wondering, but I want to be sure. |
| 00:40.11 | StuckMojo | i'd contact their help chat |
| 00:40.14 | StuckMojo | or call them |
| 00:40.20 | StuckMojo | or email if you're patient ;) |
| 00:40.32 | JZA | thanks |
| 00:40.53 | StuckMojo | np |
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| 00:42.53 | peterS | or see if there's some #debian-where-do-i-find-stuff-in-cpanel (: |
| 00:45.08 | tomatosalad | Ok, making the Live USB for Mac now, crossing my fingers |
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| 00:47.39 | StuckMojo | ok thanks folks |
| 00:47.45 | StuckMojo | peace out ;) |
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| 00:49.36 | tomatosalad | ok, giving it a shot |
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| 00:51.35 | honestly | is there a distributed auth solution (account data on one server, login on n slave machines) that doesn't require setting up a fullblown active directory like ldap? |
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| 00:52.00 | honestly | (yeah, I still want to get away without setting up ldap) |
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| 00:52.16 | Mattx | I'm back from Gnome again after.. what? 30 mins? |
| 00:52.20 | Mattx | check this: http://www.apaste.info/5M8p |
| 00:52.22 | Mattx | is it normal? |
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| 00:52.53 | petern_ | What's the problem? |
| 00:53.09 | abrotman | honestly: sure, NIS+,RADIUS,LDAP .. pick your poison |
| 00:53.15 | Mattx | Mem 3GB used, buffers 2.4GB |
| 00:53.18 | abrotman | Mattx: what's the problem ? |
| 00:53.29 | `vesrah | free ram is wasted ram |
| 00:53.33 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Mattx about free ram |
| 00:54.33 | peterS | abrotman: we had the "why is Linux not letting my RAM go to waste" discussion an hour ago or so |
| 00:54.44 | brian32 | im back, are we still haveing the ram talk |
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| 00:55.09 | honestly | abrotman: on a scale from "aptitude install freeradius" to "postfix with sasl, postgres-managed virtualhosts, dovecot, and postscreen", how hard is radius to set up? |
| 00:55.09 | peterS | anyway whether 2400 GB used is normal for Gnome 'n' Chrome, I don't know, as I don't use either one |
| 00:56.00 | cvillelk | web browsers can be resource hogs sometimes |
| 00:56.02 | brian32 | when i run chrome it uses about 25k GB |
| 00:56.19 | cvillelk | but you shouldn't see RAM related stuttering with 1.3Gb free |
| 00:57.03 | Mattx | ok, I'm going to wait until it's not usable anymore and see what free says u.u |
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| 00:57.14 | peterS | also true, if you have 1365 MB free, whatever performance problems you have shouldn't be due to RAM. And that's even more true if there's 791 MB that isn't even being used for buffers or cache |
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| 00:58.43 | brian32 | Mattx have you considered that it may be video memory that is making it not good? |
| 00:58.47 | petern_ | Better off checking top to see if there's errant processes or whatever. |
| 00:58.53 | peterS | Mattx: you might also run a terminal with 'vmstat 5' in it. That will output some statistics every 5 seconds. The most interesting stat in there, IMO, is the wait column ('wa' under '----cpu----'). That tells you how much time, as a percentage, you're waiting or disk I/O. |
| 00:59.17 | peterS | waiting _for_ disk I/O, even |
| 00:59.20 | petern_ | Incidentally, what is tracker-miner-fs and why is it 1GB resident... :S |
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| 01:00.29 | peterS | the I/O wait percentage correlates, in my experience, pretty well with either not having enough RAM, or otherwise hitting the disk too hard and suffering for it |
| 01:00.50 | petern_ | Damn it Gnome and your memory leaks :( |
| 01:01.10 | Mattx | what desktop environ do you use? |
| 01:01.30 | peterS | me? none, just a window manager, a few normal apps, and huge piles of xterms |
| 01:01.37 | brian32 | i like gnome but there are alternatives, like fcxe openbox fluxbox etc.. |
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| 01:02.05 | abrotman | honestly: it depends how well you learn tihngs :) |
| 01:02.18 | abrotman | like spelling :( |
| 01:02.20 | peterS | well maybe not "huge piles" of xterms. I think I have between 50 and 60 open at the moment. |
| 01:02.41 | abrotman | tells peterS about the wonders of screen |
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| 01:03.14 | peterS | abrotman: hmmm, let's see, I also have 3 screen sessions, managing 12 windows between them |
| 01:03.32 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:03.41 | Mattx | <screenshoot required> |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | of hwat? |
| 01:03.57 | peterS | abrotman: and that's not counting 28 or so screen sessions that I'm connected to via ssh to 28 different hosts, one xterm for each (: |
| 01:04.06 | honestly | abrotman: spelling is a hard one - I just spent over half an hour to fix my postfix config because I had written "smptd" somewhere |
| 01:04.08 | Mattx | lol |
| 01:04.26 | abrotman | honestly: well, that's special indeed |
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| 01:04.39 | abrotman | honestly: NIS+ is probably the easiest, but no one really uses it anymore |
| 01:04.48 | peterS | and how should I count the two nested screen sessions I have.... |
| 01:04.54 | icesword | what's the downlaod size and install size of a standard xfce environment |
| 01:05.00 | abrotman | peterS: with some evil stick |
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| 01:05.33 | peterS | well, only one of the nested screens is my fault, the other one I think was nested by a cow-orker whose (outer) screen session I share for some tasks |
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| 01:05.48 | abrotman | honestly: radius is probably the most enterprise, ldap is probably hte most flexible |
| 01:06.49 | honestly | abrotman: all I want is "put username, password, and pubkey on server a, have logins magically work on machine b to f" |
| 01:06.56 | peterS | shared 'screen' sessions may seem a bit ghetto and un-enterprisey, but I've built it into a surprisingly smooth workflow |
| 01:07.17 | honestly | abrotman: I spent an hour fiddling around saslauthd and pam-sasl, but that didn't do it |
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| 01:07.41 | abrotman | honestly: none of it is that magical :) |
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| 01:20.19 | jarray52 | I'm trying to use a usb DVD+RW drive. dmesg shows the error: usb 1-3: USB disconnect, device number 4. What does that mean? |
| 01:21.10 | abrotman | it disconnected |
| 01:21.32 | jarray52 | The next error message is `scsi 10:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery` |
| 01:21.42 | jarray52 | Does that indicate the device doesn't work. |
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| 01:27.04 | jarray52 | abrotman: The device worked after unplugging and replugging it. |
| 01:27.42 | gnarface | jarray52: random usb disconnects are typically a sign of a failing device |
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| 01:27.53 | gnarface | jarray52: could just be the cable though too |
| 01:28.00 | gnarface | jarray52: (try a shorter one) |
| 01:28.34 | jarray52 | gnarface: The preformatting seemed to fail, but the write seems to have succeeded. |
| 01:29.02 | jarray52 | Actually, the write isn't done yet, but seems to be working. |
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| 01:29.24 | gnarface | should be fine as long as it doesn't disconnect again mid-burn... |
| 01:30.09 | jarray52 | For some reason, I have lots of problems with this device and brasero. However, it works fine with k3b. |
| 01:30.25 | jarray52 | I believe brasero disconnected the device. |
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| 01:33.27 | jarray52 | I have the following problem when I boot the latest debian stable. My Logitech trackball (on usb) does not work. In order to make the device work, I have to unplug it and replug the device. What information do I need to file a bug report? |
| 01:33.40 | jarray52 | This could also be an issue with the hardware. |
| 01:33.41 | brian32 | gnarface http://pastebin.com/KAxbUkWR |
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| 01:35.15 | gnarface | brian32: fyi paste.debian.net doesn't have ADS |
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| 01:36.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | I got her to work finally actually fell asleep before the bootloader was fixed |
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| 01:36.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | so big thanks to jelly !!! |
| 01:37.05 | brian32 | gnarface thanks for the note, i dont notice because i use adblocker |
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| 01:39.39 | dvs | knocks at jelly-home |
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| 01:40.30 | brian23 | im back had to su |
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| 01:42.34 | gnarface | brian23: i do have advice by the way too; don't use cellular modems. they're slow and the network coverage is expensive and sucky |
| 01:43.22 | brian23 | gnarface i dont, i like my cable Internet but the guy who's computer i worked on dose |
| 01:43.53 | gnarface | well, the failure to complete the handshake may not be your fault |
| 01:44.11 | gnarface | but do try moving it to higher ground/closer to a window |
| 01:44.28 | gnarface | and don't run the microwave while you connect/use it |
| 01:44.43 | gnarface | some other devices may also cause interference |
| 01:44.52 | gnarface | (especially cheap wifi keyboards and baby monitors) |
| 01:45.28 | abrotman | or it could be misconfigured |
| 01:46.04 | gnarface | also true, but i was taking at face value his inference that all that had changed was location |
| 01:47.00 | peterrooney | gnarface: don't forget the year old goat without blemish |
| 01:48.16 | brian23 | gnarface but his other pc, (sitting right next to the new one) can connect fine |
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| 01:48.46 | brian23 | also, there is an usb extension that goes up to the window |
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| 01:50.09 | brian23 | is Welles_Lemuelson sending spam to anyone else? lol |
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| 01:52.02 | gnarface | brian23: he's got two accounts right? |
| 01:52.23 | jelly | test |
| 01:52.29 | brian23 | gnarface not that i know of.. |
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| 01:52.43 | gnarface | brian23: as far as i know 3g/4g internet connections are per-device. i'd be shocked if a single account would let you connect two devices using the same account simultaneously without paying extra.... |
| 01:53.13 | gnarface | brian23: but i'll admit i've never once actually done this without an external completely independently managed router as the 3g/4g device |
| 01:53.36 | brian23 | its the same usb modem.. and if that were so then why did it work before i brought it back? |
| 01:54.02 | gnarface | brian23: i dunno... delay of IC activation |
| 01:54.17 | gnarface | brian23: that's all i got sorry |
| 01:54.17 | brian23 | and yeah i was thinking about recommending him to get a cradlepoint or something. |
| 01:54.49 | gnarface | if he doesn't give a shit about throughput, throttling, or latency, clear.com makes really cheap no-contract 4g routers... |
| 01:54.52 | brian23 | but there soo expensive and he dose not even know how much longer he will have that service |
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| 01:55.51 | gnarface | clear.com sells devices for < 100 USD |
| 01:56.11 | gnarface | if that's "SOO expensive" then honestly cellular networks aren't for him |
| 01:56.30 | gnarface | its a huge waste of money and its crap for gaming |
| 01:56.53 | brian23 | yeah it is hahaha |
| 01:58.49 | gnarface | most cable/satellite providers these days will happily bundle a vastly superior connection for less than 20$ a month and some will even give you the hardware for free |
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| 01:59.17 | magnetophon | ]= |
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| 02:15.40 | Welles_Lemuelson | Hello, have you ever wanted to buy a bra for yourself, but just haven't had the time, confidence, courage, or money? Bras can be worn by men too, and we are the answer for you. We can fit you into a bra(or bras) just for you for your wearing pleasure. At Victoria's Secret IRC we offer many styles of bras for all purposes and sizes. Never go out without a bra again. Join #victoria'ssecret for more info. |
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| 02:17.13 | brian23 | Welles_Lemuelson: your ports are open |
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| 02:21.19 | deadlyninja | im trying to install debian on a headless machine. in the bios the machine is setup to output over serial console, i can boot the debian net installer from USB but it tries to change video modes and at that point the serial console dies |
| 02:21.30 | deadlyninja | any easy way to workaround this? |
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| 02:30.25 | ChristianS | hi, i'm using debian jessie and have a strange dns resolution problem. is this ontopic here or should rather ask elsewhere? |
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| 02:31.32 | hosler | i hurd debian isntalls viruses |
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| 02:32.22 | dvs | it dozent |
| 02:32.50 | hosler | o |
| 02:32.51 | hosler | ok |
| 02:34.04 | FreezingCold | ChristianS: ##networking |
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| 02:34.33 | FreezingCold | hosler: please provide sources |
| 02:34.51 | hosler | blommer told me |
| 02:34.53 | ChristianS | FreezingCold: will try there, thanks |
| 02:35.07 | FreezingCold | hosler: who's blommer? |
| 02:35.12 | hosler | he just left |
| 02:35.50 | hosler | jk i love debian everyone |
| 02:35.53 | hosler | sorry |
| 02:35.54 | hosler | bye |
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| 02:35.59 | cafuego | it's "debain" |
| 02:36.19 | FreezingCold | debain sounds cooler. |
| 02:36.28 | cafuego | dpkg: debain? |
| 02:36.28 | dpkg | i heard debain is often a typo of Debian. |
| 02:36.36 | cafuego | You heard wrong, dpkg. |
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| 02:40.20 | brian23 | am i in the wrong channel? |
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| 02:42.59 | brian23 | ok guys i found this pci card, i have no idea what its for nor what it dose so i plugged it in to my desk top and how can i find out what its for? |
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| 02:44.06 | abrotman | lspci -nn is a good start |
| 02:44.59 | brian23 | 0a:0c.0 Multimedia video controller [0400]: American Megatrends Inc. Device [101e:0350] (rev 11 |
| 02:45.02 | FreezingCold | brian23: yeah just "lspci | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us" |
| 02:45.03 | brian23 | ^whats that? |
| 02:45.19 | FreezingCold | brian23: does it have any inputs? |
| 02:45.25 | farfromhere | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.38 | brian23 | yeah but what dose it do |
| 02:45.42 | abrotman | google |
| 02:45.43 | brian23 | is it a capture card? |
| 02:45.46 | brian23 | i did lol |
| 02:46.01 | FreezingCold | brian23: what inputs does it have on it? |
| 02:46.10 | FreezingCold | capture card without any inputs would be a pointless capture card... |
| 02:46.16 | brian23 | well it says s-video |
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| 02:46.23 | FreezingCold | well |
| 02:46.27 | brian23 | then has like a keyboard looking plug |
| 02:46.30 | FreezingCold | then yeah it's an s-video capture card |
| 02:46.36 | FreezingCold | that's s-video |
| 02:46.40 | abrotman | why capture? |
| 02:46.46 | FreezingCold | brian23: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Video |
| 02:47.32 | brian23 | is there a way to tell if its an input or an output device? |
| 02:48.08 | farfromhere | Probably an osprey capture card |
| 02:48.48 | farfromhere | Does it have any other inputs? |
| 02:48.57 | abrotman | brian23: probably ask ##hardware |
| 02:49.13 | brian23 | its got like a yellow tv looking jack |
| 02:49.16 | abrotman | brian23: probably ask ##hardware |
| 02:49.28 | farfromhere | http://www.viewcast.com/products/osprey-cards/osprey-100e |
| 02:50.32 | brian23 | anyone know of a good debian package for this hardware? |
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| 02:58.24 | cafuego | Oh. Em. Gee. |
| 02:58.42 | brian23 | it dose not show up as another display in system settings, so im going with the capture card idea, is there any good software for capurecards? |
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| 03:01.29 | brian23 | apparently vlc can do this :D |
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| 03:06.09 | brian23 | ok so its not a capture card nor a video card. im going to ##hardware to figure this out |
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| 03:17.26 | mellysquire | hi guys/// |
| 03:18.02 | mellysquire | is there a way for me to move the /home dir to another partition when it is mounted under / |
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| 03:21.04 | rryoumaa | mellysquire: mv? |
| 03:21.51 | jordanm | mellysquire: yes, but you can't have any users with a homedir there while the move is happening |
| 03:22.00 | jordanm | logged in |
| 03:22.11 | mellysquire | yea i understand |
| 03:22.30 | mellysquire | but where do i update that its now under another partition? |
| 03:22.39 | jordanm | mellysquire: /etc/fstab |
| 03:22.48 | mellysquire | but it is not its own partition |
| 03:23.02 | jordanm | sounds like it will be |
| 03:23.08 | jordanm | oh |
| 03:23.14 | jordanm | mellysquire: then use a symlink |
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| 03:24.25 | mellysquire | jordanm: where? |
| 03:24.29 | mellysquire | in fstab? |
| 03:24.40 | mellysquire | sorry am kinda noob |
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| 03:24.54 | jordanm | mv /home /foo/home; ln -s /foo/home /home |
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| 03:35.47 | mellysquire | jordanm: thx will try that |
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| 03:38.01 | mellysquire | jordanm: its throws back an error at symlink |
| 03:38.10 | mellysquire | saying that the dir does not exist |
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| 03:39.08 | mellysquire | jordanm: restarted and it worked though |
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| 03:42.21 | mellysquire | from the console, ctrl+alt+f1 ,how do you return to the GUI? |
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| 03:42.54 | rryoumaa | f7 or so |
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| 03:43.37 | mellysquire | thank you |
| 03:44.15 | rryoumaa | restarting should not be necessary most of the time |
| 03:44.59 | mellysquire | rryoumaa: thats what i thought too |
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| 03:45.27 | rryoumaa | of course, if you have audio issues and can't figure it out, it might be the quickest way to a workaround. :/ |
| 03:45.47 | rryoumaa | quickest way to getting it to work* |
| 03:46.01 | mellysquire | i see |
| 03:46.09 | mellysquire | where are the user profiles kept? |
| 03:46.12 | rryoumaa | (that's not advice) |
| 03:46.25 | rryoumaa | in your home directory in dot files |
| 03:46.30 | rryoumaa | iiuc |
| 03:46.39 | mellysquire | no as in there should be kinda list right? |
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| 03:47.00 | mellysquire | for this user, the account name is such and such and the username is this |
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| 03:47.11 | mellysquire | where to look for the profile dir etc |
| 03:47.18 | mellysquire | there should be 1 file right |
| 03:47.28 | rryoumaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.27 | mellysquire | ah yes.. |
| 03:48.28 | mellysquire | thanks |
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| 05:00.01 | godfrey_ | lftp 4.4.10 in testing can't put file > 50M while traditional ftp and filezilla can do that |
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| 05:01.22 | godfrey_ | And it seems that there's no upload file size limit in lftp's config file |
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| 05:04.46 | Chat9794 | Hi |
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| 05:05.54 | qwebirc | When I try to run this command (sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs+504M) it outputs this: dd: memory exhausted by input buffer of size 528482304 bytes |
| 05:06.09 | qwebirc | bs=504M * |
| 05:06.25 | godfrey_ | How could i find out the new services installed after a new package is installed (with systemd)? |
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| 05:09.40 | civillian | qwebirc: I'd say your memory is exhausted by the input buffer of size 528482304 bytes. |
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| 05:17.10 | godfrey_ | the lftp put problem occures with a proftpd server |
| 05:17.34 | godfrey_ | and no problem with vsftpd |
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| 05:19.31 | jordanm | godfrey_: dpkg -L newpackage | grep '/var/lib/systemd' |
| 05:20.14 | jordanm | godfrey_: systemctl list-unit-files --type=service # will list all services, but there is no distinction of "new" |
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| 05:23.57 | godfrey_ | "systemctl is-enabled" works only if there is a systemd .service file |
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| 05:27.32 | jordanm | godfrey_: yes, same with enable and disable |
| 05:28.43 | godfrey_ | jordanm: It seems that there's a update-rc.d invoke with start and stop |
| 05:29.17 | jordanm | godfrey_: that's just for sysvinit, I don't think it has hooks for systemd |
| 05:29.34 | jordanm | chkconfig does in fedora, not sure if the version in debian does or not |
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| 05:32.25 | godfrey_ | jordanm: I mean, not update-rc.d, just a sysinit start/stop. And how about a update-rc.d invoke when enable and disable? |
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| 05:33.11 | jordanm | godfrey_: I am not sure what you mean |
| 05:33.30 | jordanm | godfrey_: update-rc.d start|stop is for creating sysvinit start/stop links |
| 05:33.42 | jordanm | invoke-rc.d executes a sysvinit script |
| 05:33.56 | godfrey_ | service start/stop |
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| 05:34.23 | jordanm | godfrey_: depends on the version |
| 05:34.33 | jordanm | the version in wheezy will just execute the init script |
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| 05:36.24 | justinas | Good morning, guys. |
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| 05:38.03 | justinas | Is there any chance that a patch like this http://pastebin.com/19CMu54a could be in the kernel? |
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| 05:39.06 | justinas | This fixes a major problem when X org does not load when Secure boot is enabled in Asus UX32VD and probably many others Sandy bridge based chipsets. |
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| 05:41.48 | X_Sp1ke_X | =/ |
| 05:42.12 | justinas | Apparently, this fine establishment is not entirely dead. |
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| 05:45.13 | justinas | At any rate, I reported the patch, so I can go to sleep, too. |
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| 05:56.59 | klys | CONFIG_EXPERT |
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| 06:16.06 | TaZeR | Sexy sexy |
| 06:16.11 | TaZeR | old lady Debian at it again |
| 06:16.14 | TaZeR | foxy cougar |
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| 06:17.36 | TaZeR | ooohhummm |
| 06:17.40 | TaZeR | too sexyyy |
| 06:17.53 | TaZeR | for for fffor |
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| 06:18.16 | TaZeR | my Debian....! |
| 06:18.22 | TaZeR | my sexy lady Debian |
| 06:18.46 | rjsalts | !ops TaZeR |
| 06:18.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: rjsalts complains about: TaZeR |
| 06:18.53 | TaZeR | she doesnt have a large flexible cock like Arch but she got tittys |
| 06:19.00 | TaZeR | yeyeye |
| 06:19.22 | TaZeR | !ops rjsalts |
| 06:19.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: tazer complains about: rjsalts |
| 06:19.31 | TaZeR | ur just as nasty dirty boy!! |
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| 06:29.39 | qwerty_ | anyone using lmde, linux mint debian edition? |
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| 06:32.05 | rjsalts | qwerty_: the people on irc.spotchat.org #linuxmint-debian |
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| 07:13.33 | Kyoko | Hi. I upgraded from debian squeeze to wheezy. Xfce starts and show a msg - "first start of the panel - migrate old config, use default, start empty panel". Problem is - mouse does not work. I have two mouses attached - both does not work now. I think keyboard does not work as well - this start msg window was active and I did try to answer the question using keyboard... I can not switch to console screen (A+C+Fn)... I had old xorg.conf file with mino |
| 07:14.40 | Kyoko | Any advices? ... All before X starts, seems working fine - my X does not start automatically, so after dist-upgrade, I already was in console mode and the things are there, less or more working |
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| 07:25.48 | klys | kyoko ctrl+alt+shift+numlk then mouse with the keypad |
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| 07:27.41 | oskie | hello, I did apt-get install icinga-common/jessie, but despite that, when I apt-get upgrade I get the sid package |
| 07:28.37 | themill | oskie: the output of "apt-cache policy icinga-common" will explain that |
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| 07:29.06 | Kyoko | klys: thanks... will try that!... At least, hard button for poweroff works - it sends poweroff signal and system is shutdown properly. I also checked xorg config - seems it is not using nvidia module (xorg log shows nouveau) and I do not see nvidia.ko for the latest kernel. |
| 07:29.07 | klys | ,versions icinga-common |
| 07:29.08 | judd | Package: icinga-common on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.2-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.0.2-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.7.1-5~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.7.1-6; wheezy-backports: 1.9.3-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.9.3-2; sid: 1.10.0-1 |
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| 07:29.34 | oskie | themill: interesting, but it says: "Candidate: 1.10.0-1" but then "*** 1.9.3-2" below |
| 07:29.53 | themill | can you pastebin the full output? also the output of "apt-cache policy"? |
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| 07:31.32 | oskie | themill: here you go: http://pastebin.com/QzhXMNj9 |
| 07:32.01 | themill | egads... what a horrid mixture |
| 07:32.34 | oskie | yes, that's because I need both sid and jessie and wheezy packages on this machine. I do have APT::Default-Release "wheezy"; |
| 07:32.36 | themill | oskie: you don't have any difference in your pinning for jessie and sid, so if you pick a package not from wheezy, you'll get the highest version |
| 07:33.00 | oskie | so how do I pin a package to jessie (and not a specific version in jessie)? |
| 07:33.01 | themill | well, Default-Release doesn't work well with stable at the best of times and I bet you don't need packages from jessie and sid at all |
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| 07:33.49 | themill | if you really want to persist with that sort of mixing, then you probably want to pin all of jessie at a higher level than sid. You'll also find a lot of people will just look at that and call it "unsupportable". |
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| 07:54.25 | BotaniCar|2 | Hi, i have a crontab entry looking like http://paste.debian.net/63075 and i'm not recieving e-mail reports, please advise if i need aditional steps to get reports. Tia. |
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| 07:57.52 | grog | apt-get insists on using a mirror that's down and im having trouble convincing it otherwise |
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| 07:59.05 | OpenTokix | BotaniCar|2: is your mail configurated? |
| 08:00.47 | themill | BotaniCar|2: crontab entry in which file/for which user? |
| 08:00.50 | BotaniCar|2 | OpenTokix: yes. that server also has other automations that report without using cron, that works. Mail server log contains no errors related to host that should send reports |
| 08:01.09 | BotaniCar|2 | themill: "crontab -e" as root , entry in there |
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| 08:02.24 | OpenTokix | BotaniCar|2: intresting =) |
| 08:03.10 | BotaniCar|2 | Indeed. The function in script is executing ( i get my fancy html pages generated) just that i don't get a report it's done. |
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| 08:04.57 | Iridos | BotaniCar|2, obvious next step is to take it out of cron and send mail from the root account |
| 08:05.40 | BotaniCar|2 | Iridos: chaining script to send e-mail after - works |
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| 08:06.02 | hramrach | hello |
| 08:06.11 | hramrach | I have an issue with nfsv4 |
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| 08:06.32 | hramrach | when I mount a share with nfsv2 everything works ok |
| 08:06.46 | hramrach | but with nfsv4 every file is owned by nobody |
| 08:06.56 | OpenTokix | BotaniCar|2: and when you run it by hand as root, it works? |
| 08:07.02 | hramrach | so stuff fails. you cannot change ownership |
| 08:07.19 | OpenTokix | BotaniCar|2: it's not a path issue, since crontab usually do a env_reset |
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| 08:07.24 | BotaniCar|2 | OpenTokix: script itself runs both from cron and when i run it by hand. |
| 08:07.41 | BotaniCar|2 | also, syslog contains only execution entries for it, no errors |
| 08:08.13 | Iridos | BotaniCar|2, use -m option to crond and compare results to running outside... some sendmail command would be the default |
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| 08:08.39 | Kyoko | I upgraded from squeeze to wheezy. I already have installed: nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem BUT there is new kernel already and this package is not installed: nvidia-kernel-3.2.0-4-686-pae. Shall I install it manually? Or reinstall nvidia-kernel-common ? |
| 08:08.59 | BotaniCar|2 | will do, Iridos. |
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| 08:10.36 | muaken | Is this an old version of linux? Linux 2.6.32-358.14.1.1.e16? |
| 08:10.53 | themill | it's not a debian kernel |
| 08:11.07 | muaken | what is it then? Am a bit lost |
| 08:11.07 | themill | dpkg: tell Kyoko about nvidia dkms |
| 08:11.22 | themill | muaken: is this a VPS? openvz? |
| 08:11.38 | muaken | themill: can I check somehow? |
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| 08:11.58 | BenNZ | anyone know what might cause debian testing + xfce with only mousepad and xchat open to use twice the ram it usually should (400mb ram would usually see 200mb) |
| 08:11.59 | linux-fox | kyoko: i think you should install nvidia-kernel-3.2 |
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| 08:13.23 | themill | muaken: do you have a /proc/bean_counters |
| 08:13.31 | themill | or /proc/user_beancounters |
| 08:13.47 | muaken | I have not |
| 08:13.51 | muaken | none of them |
| 08:14.48 | themill | muaken: does "lsb_release -r" say anything? |
| 08:15.00 | muaken | the commando does not exist |
| 08:15.27 | themill | muaken: cat cat /etc/os-release |
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| 08:15.55 | muaken | catalog does not exist |
| 08:15.57 | muaken | or file |
| 08:16.10 | themill | doesn't sound like you've got a debian system there at all then |
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| 08:16.35 | muaken | I think it's an CentOS |
| 08:16.37 | vo1d | try cat /etc/debain_version |
| 08:16.48 | vo1d | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.57 | themill | muaken: ah... perhaps you could have said that? And why are you in #debian? |
| 08:17.13 | muaken | I did not know and I had to start somewhere |
| 08:17.15 | muaken | :D |
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| 08:18.09 | roobal_ | you should can check your system providing a command lsb_reales -a |
| 08:18.27 | themill | muaken: perhaps asking #centos would be better then |
| 08:18.54 | roobal_ | i think he endless not know what OS he has |
| 08:19.09 | roobal_ | maybe it is some vps server? |
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| 08:19.57 | muaken | my ip is banned from centos for some reason... am on a shared network. Funny. |
| 08:20.33 | roobal_ | where? on centos irc channel? |
| 08:20.38 | muaken | yes |
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| 08:21.02 | roobal_ | do you have dynamicly changed ip by your isp |
| 08:21.03 | roobal_ | ? |
| 08:21.15 | muaken | no idea, am not administrating this network. |
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| 08:21.29 | themill | muaken: you need to register your nick first. /msg nickserv help register |
| 08:21.38 | roobal_ | ok, but you should know is your ip is static or dynamic |
| 08:21.47 | muaken | I should? |
| 08:21.50 | roobal_ | what kind of link you have? |
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| 08:23.25 | roobal_ | if you have dynamicaly changed IP address, someone else could be banned for some reason, and maybe you have now assigned this banned IP address by your ISP |
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| 08:23.42 | themill | except we already know that's not the case here... |
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| 08:24.18 | roobal_ | yes i know but i try to explain why he could be banned ;) |
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| 08:24.47 | themill | except we already know that is not the reason. |
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| 08:26.06 | buu | So, uh, I had debian on a system with two hard drives. I replaced the OS drive with another drive and installed debian on the new drive. Now new debian can't recognize the partition table on drive 2 |
| 08:26.14 | buu | Anyone have any tips? |
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| 08:26.50 | roobal | did you have update your Grub configuration? |
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| 08:29.39 | gnarface | has seen abrotman ban whole ip blocks cause one or two asshats at a college fucked with him |
| 08:29.55 | buu | roobal: Um, yes |
| 08:30.09 | buu | roobal: I think it tried to install grub on disk2 and failed.. |
| 08:30.09 | gnarface | would be utterly shocked if "might be later assigned that same dynamic ip" even enters as a consideration for most ops here |
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| 08:30.39 | jelly-home | gnarface: exceptions for registered users are a viable workaround |
| 08:30.47 | roobal | grub-update didn't find another kernel on second disk? |
| 08:30.52 | DotHack | anyone in here using winbind for ssh signle signon to ad? |
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| 08:31.04 | gnarface | jelly-home: i just assume you all buy static ips like me |
| 08:32.00 | themill | gnarface: umm.. of course it does. Feel free to stick to facts and stop your passive-aggressive bullshit that you perpetuate against anyone who spends their time looking after this channel. |
| 08:32.11 | cafuego | abrotman bans people? Nah, he wouldn't hurt a fly. |
| 08:32.19 | jelly-home | heh |
| 08:32.27 | buu | roobal: No, the disk has a single partition with no kernel |
| 08:32.52 | gnarface | themill: that was facts. fuck off if you can't handle it. ban me if it makes you feel better. |
| 08:33.10 | cafuego | Sheesh. |
| 08:33.23 | themill | gnarface: the reason that user can't get into #centos is that the channel only permits registered users. We established that and advised the user to register. |
| 08:33.32 | themill | that sort of fact... |
| 08:33.58 | roobal | flashback, you wrote you made first installation on one disk and second installation on second disk, so if i well understood you should have kernels on both disks |
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| 08:35.04 | buu | roobal: Let me clarify: I had system with disk A and disk B; disk A has debian and 4-5 partitions, disk B has 1 partition and pure data (ext3 or 4). I removed disk A, installed new disk (C) and installed debian onto disk C. During the install onto disk C it tried to install grub on to disk B and failed, prompting me to tell it to install onto disk C instead |
| 08:35.18 | buu | Now debian fails to read the partition table on disk B |
| 08:35.24 | themill | gnarface: you'll also notice that bans are lifted quite regularly and bans against dynamic IPs tend to be quite short. But you wouldn't want facts entering this discussion, would you? |
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| 08:36.02 | jelly-home | jumping from "making sure a user has access" to "making sure an op has access" seems like a non sequitur |
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| 08:36.29 | roobal | buu: ohhh know i understand every thing :) |
| 08:36.39 | gnarface | themill: roobal listed an (apparently incorrect hypothesis) i merely listed another one. i didn't scroll back far enough, apparently. but you've NEVER been the target of my "passive aggressive bullshit" even though lately i've become a target of yours. |
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| 08:37.39 | roobal | buu: fdisk see this partion on disk B? |
| 08:38.02 | buu | roobal: Device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, SGI or OSF disklabel |
| 08:38.12 | buu | Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite) |
| 08:38.55 | roobal | on some livecd is the same? |
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| 08:39.08 | buu | I haven't tried a livecd.. |
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| 08:39.12 | luichi | hello |
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| 08:39.55 | buu | roobal: Why would that do something different than debian is? |
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| 08:40.11 | luichi | i want to uninstall iceweasel for example and i use aptitude purge iceweasel but it gives me different solutions to remove another packages and i don't like any of them. Can i avoid this solutions and remove only this package? |
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| 08:40.38 | roobal | if you didn't remove partition table everything should work, maybe grub did it |
| 08:40.50 | buu | roobal: Something definitely messed it up |
| 08:41.21 | superfirelord42 | buu: you could try to restore the partition table using a partition table recovery tool? |
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| 08:41.42 | superfirelord42 | Assuming I haven't jumped the gun and there is something else causing it... |
| 08:42.04 | buu | superfirelord42: Yeah, that's just what I started reading about, any suggestion? |
| 08:42.30 | superfirelord42 | buu, did it successfully years ago. Trying to find the sw now |
| 08:42.41 | roobal | did you suspend your system? I had similar problem on Ubuntu, after suspend file system was corupted |
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| 08:43.16 | buu | gpart apparently! |
| 08:43.24 | luichi | anyone can help me?? |
| 08:43.52 | superfirelord42 | buu: gpart can do it? thats new to me 0.o |
| 08:43.53 | roobal | to get back your partion table you can use TestDisk |
| 08:44.00 | vo1d | dpkg -l | grep iceweasel |
| 08:44.00 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep iceweasel |
| 08:44.09 | EmleyMoor | luichi: Why do you want to remove iceweasel? |
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| 08:44.33 | roobal | luichi did you tried aptitude remove --purge iceweasel? |
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| 08:44.45 | EmleyMoor | Also, what is it asking you to also remove? |
| 08:44.45 | superfirelord42 | yeah, TestDisk I guess. The software I *really* liked years ago appears to be gone (or very hard to find) |
| 08:44.47 | luichi | EmleyMoor: because i have chromium. But i have the same problem with a lot of packages |
| 08:44.52 | themill | all of gnome, I would assume |
| 08:45.07 | luichi | allways it says to remove gnome |
| 08:45.12 | luichi | the package |
| 08:45.27 | roobal | I also do not use Iceweasel on Debian, I prefer original Mozilla's Firefox |
| 08:45.45 | EmleyMoor | luichi: "gnome" is a dummy package that depends on iceweasel. gnome itself is safe to remove, if it's just that. |
| 08:45.49 | luichi | roobal: the solution you posted give me the same results |
| 08:45.53 | OpenTokix | roobal: Yeah, them logos - superimportant for the webexperience =) |
| 08:45.59 | roobal | luichi it is not impossible, it should only remove iceweasel |
| 08:46.12 | luichi | EmleyMoor: there are also another packages it will remove like gnome-core |
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| 08:46.16 | roobal | iceweasel does not depend on gnome |
| 08:46.43 | EmleyMoor | roobal: No, but "gnome" (the dummy package) depends on iceweasel |
| 08:46.44 | cafuego | roobal: gnome probably depends on iceweasel |
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| 08:47.08 | stefunel | i have a problem with the time on my machine being 2h ahead (timezone is correct and hwclock is also correct) |
| 08:47.15 | roobal | OpenTokix i know that source code is the same, but i prefer firefox |
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| 08:47.22 | luichi | a lot of packages want me to remove gnome, gnome-core,.... |
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| 08:47.29 | bhuddah | stefunel: have you tried setting the clock? |
| 08:47.36 | luichi | it is not possible to remove only the package i want? |
| 08:47.41 | OpenTokix | roobal: Rational =) |
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| 08:47.49 | vo1d | just leave iceweasel where it is |
| 08:47.56 | vo1d | und install another browser beside |
| 08:47.57 | roobal | i have fresh realese in the same they it published |
| 08:47.58 | vo1d | just dont use it |
| 08:48.03 | EmleyMoor | luichi: You need to look at all the packages it wants to remove... any that are merely dependency-filled, not "actual", can be removed if you need to, without removing all the other dependencies. |
| 08:48.09 | luichi | i see that when it give you the options if you put ? as a option there are options to do it |
| 08:48.23 | luichi | luichi: i've read it but i don't know which is the option i have to use |
| 08:48.23 | EmleyMoor | "gnome" is merely a package of dependencies. |
| 08:48.23 | roobal | i need not to wait for packagers |
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| 08:48.54 | stefunel | bhuddah, not yet, just trying to figure out it does this |
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| 08:49.14 | bhuddah | stefunel: do you run windows and linux on the same machine? |
| 08:49.44 | stefunel | bhuddah no, it is actually a vm (hardware box is debian + kvm, vm is debian) |
| 08:49.44 | luichi | this are the options that appear if i put ? as a option http://pastebin.com/krExjTrC |
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| 08:50.22 | EmleyMoor | gnome and gnome-core are "meta-packages"... they need to be removed to remove *any one* of their dependencies. |
| 08:50.36 | luichi | EmleyMoor: so i can remove them safetly? |
| 08:50.39 | bhuddah | stefunel: so there is no actual HW clock?.. man... don't try to mislead us. probably the virtualization environment sets the clock to local time and not utc or something like that. |
| 08:50.47 | EmleyMoor | They are not otherwise important. You can still keep the remaining dependencies. |
| 08:51.10 | luichi | EmleyMoor: but removing them will delete something? |
| 08:52.06 | EmleyMoor | luichi: You can remove them. Do not, however, remove "non-meta" packages they depend on. If in doubt, ask here. For a long time I had to remove them as I needed the package "ekiga" off my system. |
| 08:52.31 | luichi | EmleyMoor: ok, perfect i will try it now |
| 08:52.32 | vo1d | gnome-core as know is a pack of software for your gnome desktop ... well after iceweasel isnt ther eanymore so gnome-core cant be anymore as this package isnt cmplete anymore ... thats the way i interpret this, just try it i think nothing will be removed thats important for gnome functionality |
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| 08:52.53 | stefunel | bhuddah, the hwclock seems to be wrong on the physical box, 2h ahead, yet date resports correct time |
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| 08:53.01 | EmleyMoor | "gnome" and "gnome-core" are both meta-packages, which exist solely to pull their dependencies in. |
| 08:53.46 | bhuddah | stefunel: have you set the os to hwclock localtime or utc? |
| 08:54.32 | stefunel | it is set to utc |
| 08:54.36 | EmleyMoor | stefunel: It is considered the norm to run the hwclock in UTC regardless of your location. |
| 08:54.57 | OpenTokix | EmleyMoor: no, but you can do it if you want to |
| 08:55.01 | EmleyMoor | /etc/timezone and the personal equivalent setting translate it to local time. |
| 08:55.15 | luichi | EmleyMoor: how can i know a package is a metapackage? is in the description or what? because i've been able to remove gnome package but i haven't with gnome-core |
| 08:55.31 | stefunel | but i might understand this wrong, if i run hwclock --show, it is 2h ahead, if i run hwclock --debug, it is 1h ahead :) |
| 08:55.50 | EmleyMoor | luichi: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gnome-core |
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| 08:56.10 | roobal | luichi if you use an aptitude it is in an description of a packet |
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| 08:57.30 | EmleyMoor | roobal is correct, it's normally in the description in aptitude, but looking it up on the web may suit you better |
| 08:58.20 | buu | Partition tables are only stored in the first 512 bytes of a device right? They don't actually change anything about the device? |
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| 08:58.57 | EmleyMoor | buu: Depends what you consider to be "about" a device... |
| 08:58.58 | jelly-home | buu: that is correct for the first 4 partitions in a DOS MBR format |
| 08:59.10 | roobal | i do not deny ;) |
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| 08:59.25 | buu | EmleyMoor: If you missed it I'm trying to recover data from a device with a missing partition table |
| 08:59.35 | buu | Just trying to verify I won't remove data by messing up the partition |
| 08:59.42 | EmleyMoor | buu: Do you know what it's supposed to be like? |
| 08:59.50 | buu | EmleyMoor: I have a pretty good guess |
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| 09:00.20 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... there may be tools to help you discover it... |
| 09:00.20 | buu | It was single partition, full space, ext3 or ext4 |
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| 09:00.31 | buu | EmleyMoor: Yeah, I'm running testdisk right now |
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| 09:00.47 | buu | EmleyMoor: Its going at about 5% a minute =] |
| 09:00.50 | EmleyMoor | buu: Ah, that's pretty easy then. You should be OK reconstituting that partition table. |
| 09:00.58 | roobal | first do not write aything on this disk, in advance, do not override the disk, to recover data you can use TestDisk |
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| 09:01.28 | EmleyMoor | However, as ever with disks, it's AYOR. |
| 09:01.47 | Guest40497 | anyone know how to increase memory available to a program? |
| 09:01.58 | buu | Guest40497: install more ram? |
| 09:02.00 | vo1d | ulimit -n |
| 09:02.07 | vo1d | guest40497 |
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| 09:02.21 | roobal | and check if on livecd is the same problem |
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| 09:03.09 | Guest40497 | vo1d, where is the man page? I get a C function |
| 09:03.18 | buu | Guest40497: 'help ulimit' |
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| 09:03.50 | buu | Guest40497: Its pretty unlikely you're actually under a ulimit unless you have an odd setup.. |
| 09:04.22 | MmikePoso | dpkg: you little winky schnautzher :) |
| 09:04.22 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 09:04.47 | MmikePoso | indeed :) |
| 09:05.08 | roobal | Guest40497 man ulimit, works for me |
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| 09:05.33 | Guest40497 | i t35 this: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' |
| 09:05.33 | Guest40497 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:05.54 | Guest40497 | when my ram is full, but I have more virtual memory |
| 09:05.57 | Guest40497 | i think |
| 09:06.14 | vo1d | cat /proc/meminfo |
| 09:06.14 | Guest40497 | swap is bearly toched |
| 09:06.19 | roobal | what a program do you try to run? |
| 09:07.02 | Guest40497 | http://paste.debian.net/63083/ |
| 09:07.07 | Guest40497 | aegisub |
| 09:07.46 | Iridos | any idea why "png" filetype could have wine registered as the default application in iceweasel? do we have a factoid on that? |
| 09:07.54 | Guest40497 | btw the version of aegisub is outdated, they no longer support it, hint hint |
| 09:08.01 | vo1d | well i dont know how to make use of that swap mem but your ram seems to be full |
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| 09:08.35 | vo1d | Iridos maybe bad mime/type on webserver ? |
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| 09:09.28 | Iridos | vo1d, well... without looking I guess it must have been png/application, else it would just display it in the browser |
| 09:09.33 | Iridos | hmmm |
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| 09:10.19 | Iridos | maybe that's the point... every effin thing that is whatever/application gets routed to wine |
| 09:10.40 | vo1d | well that could be it , but i dont think this is default in debian :) |
| 09:10.56 | Iridos | you can be damn sure I didn't configure it manually that way |
| 09:11.14 | vo1d | have you opened an .exe with wine from browser |
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| 09:11.46 | vo1d | maybe you need to declare more differences now in iceweasel mime types |
| 09:11.47 | Iridos | who knows... I might have half a year ago... or maybe not |
| 09:11.54 | vo1d | i can remeber i got this problem too a long time ago |
| 09:12.41 | Iridos | I tried to run office under wine once... (not that it really worked too well in the end) perhaps that had influenced the global browser settings |
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| 09:13.40 | vo1d | could be it ... try to create an new profile for firefox/iceweasel |
| 09:13.45 | vo1d | firefox-bin -P |
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| 09:13.57 | vo1d | and try to open that website with that png pic again |
| 09:14.02 | vo1d | look if the behaviour changed |
| 09:14.11 | Iridos | hm, that's not a bad idea |
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| 09:15.32 | luichi | EmleyMoor: ok but i can delete gnome-core directly |
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| 09:16.26 | luichi | it gives me the option to delete task-gnome-desktop |
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| 09:19.05 | Iridos | vo1d, no, profile has no influence |
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| 09:20.08 | Iridos | also, about:config doesn't find anything containing "wine" |
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| 09:21.03 | mojzesz | hi eveybody |
| 09:21.40 | mojzesz | i want to ask for help with trident cyberblade xp under debian |
| 09:21.47 | vo1d | okay, this is my /etc/mime.types |
| 09:21.48 | vo1d | http://pastie.org/8444942 |
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| 09:22.39 | vo1d | maybe look for diff to yours maybe something has changed there... else if not you should look into iceweasels settings to find wine application standard usage for x-type/applications and remove that entry |
| 09:22.50 | vo1d | i cant think of anything else that could cause that problem |
| 09:23.48 | mojzesz | i have only small window in the middle of screen not full size and resolution only 800x600 |
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| 09:24.27 | EmleyMoor | luichi: task-gnome-desktop is also a meta-package. |
| 09:25.02 | luichi | EmleyMoor: ok i used aptitude show task-gnome-desktop and it doesn't say it is a metapackage |
| 09:25.03 | vo1d | iridos you may find in about:config your mime type folders |
| 09:25.21 | mojzesz | does anyone knows how fix this? |
| 09:25.24 | vo1d | they can be ~/. home folder based as also global /etc/... |
| 09:25.38 | EmleyMoor | It's a task, and tasks are meta-packages |
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| 09:26.04 | luichi | EmleyMoor: ok i deleted task-gnome-desktop and i've been able to delete gnome-core |
| 09:26.50 | vipzrx | I can not use the ibus in debian sid |
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| 09:28.06 | luichi | EmleyMoor: ok now if i delete iceweasel it says me to delete xul-ext-adblock-plus which is the adblock extension but it is not needed for chrome right? |
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| 09:28.18 | vipzrx | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6334743/ |
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| 09:29.45 | EmleyMoor | luichi: I believe it's iceweasel-specific. |
| 09:29.54 | luichi | EmleyMoor: ok |
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| 09:30.14 | mojzesz | can somebody help me with this ? |
| 09:30.48 | hillbicks | hey guys, is it possible to extend a luks-crypt partition with the unallocated space that follows the luks partition? background: i cloned the 128GB SSD onto the new 256GB SSD via dd. |
| 09:30.49 | luichi | EmleyMoor: oooo finally i've been able to delete iceweasel! jajaja |
| 09:30.53 | Iridos | vo1d, there's no private one, it uses /etc/mime.types... which doesn't list anything wine-ish |
| 09:31.17 | Iridos | (actually doesn't list applications at all, mime.types file never does) |
| 09:31.38 | vo1d | then look in browser settings -> applications |
| 09:31.50 | vo1d | if wine is default there vor your png's |
| 09:31.51 | Iridos | that only lists "ask" for everything |
| 09:32.05 | Iridos | and it *does* ask, but then it's always giving wine as the default option |
| 09:32.09 | bitgeek | been playing with Debian netinst + lightdm + xfce in a vm before I do it for real on my machine, uses less then 512Mb, but just wondering if there's an even lighter (mem/cpu wise) combination? |
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| 09:32.49 | vo1d | ohhh well i now understand... i dont know how to remove this first option thing :) its just the first thing you used so it is the first option if theres no other option |
| 09:32.57 | luichi | EmleyMoor: all the problems were because of metapackages :( |
| 09:33.03 | vo1d | try to choose another program and it will also show up in this list |
| 09:33.50 | Iridos | yeah... it does... but obviously this happens on somewhat broken mime types and I think there's an endless supply for those |
| 09:34.09 | Iridos | so while it is kind of auto-fixing, it'll stay a low-level nuisance forever |
| 09:34.27 | SPF | mojzesz: how popular is the trident? |
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| 09:37.55 | Iridos | vo1d, I wonder if uninstalling wine might be the best thing to do... I needed MS-office at some point to exchange documents without garbling the formatting.. but now have a win virtual machine for that... so... not sure I still need wine at all (but betchouadoler I'll find I do need it after removing it :-/ ) |
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| 09:38.26 | muss | When using top, VIRT is the memory a process is using? If it says 720m it uses 720 MB of memory? |
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| 09:38.56 | luichi | can i delete python and perl packages? if im not programming on this languages? |
| 09:39.35 | EmleyMoor | luichi: There are often packagens on the system that need them. |
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| 09:40.15 | OpenTokix | muss: since many processes use shared libraries and such, to get a exact number for a process memory usage without profiling the acutal binary is quie hard. - but you can get a ballpark figure. |
| 09:40.50 | muss | OpenTokix: I fail to understand how the hell I can get what process using what on my system. This is very frustrating and I still wonder why this have been made such a task. |
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| 09:41.15 | OpenTokix | muss: You can try htop to, give you more sorting possiblies - and looks prettier |
| 09:41.20 | OpenTokix | muss: what problem are you having? |
| 09:41.42 | luichi | EmleyMoor: ok |
| 09:41.42 | muss | I have a system choking on low memory and I need to find what is eating it |
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| 09:42.26 | luichi | EmleyMoor: and now i want to uninsatll libreoffice-draw but it tells me to unintsall libreoffice-impress how can i avoid this? |
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| 09:42.57 | Iridos | vo1d, just searched for it some more... it's hard to search for... because it's obviously a recurring theme for the last 20 years or so... but... I think it might be the stupid DE that has these "defaults", as the browser seems to get some from there (until you override) |
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| 09:43.16 | EmleyMoor | luichi: Why do you want to uninstall libreoffice-draw? |
| 09:43.28 | luichi | EmleyMoor: because i have inkscape |
| 09:43.30 | muss | my swap is 2017/2017 and my mem is 1890/1990 |
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| 09:43.50 | EmleyMoor | luichi: Do you need libreoffice-impress? |
| 09:44.02 | thoonai | hey, im trying to download a debian woody image. but jido doesnt fine all the files. |
| 09:44.07 | CissWit | luichi: just try aptitude search "~i ~Dpython" or aptitude search "~i ~Dlibreoffice-draw" |
| 09:44.07 | luichi | EmleyMoor: yes |
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| 09:44.21 | CissWit | you will find packages depending on the packages you are trying to delete |
| 09:44.22 | EmleyMoor | luichi: Then you need libreofice-draw. |
| 09:44.41 | luichi | CissWit: yes but thats not the problem |
| 09:44.45 | luichi | EmleyMoor: ok :( |
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| 09:45.03 | CissWit | luichi: yes it is |
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| 09:45.50 | CissWit | if you delete a package, every package depending on it have to be deleted too, because they're not supposed to work without it |
| 09:46.10 | luichi | CissWit: a okok |
| 09:46.33 | thoonai | does theres a netinstall image of debian woody? |
| 09:46.47 | Iridos | vo1d, oh well, thanks for the discussion... I guess I'll remove wine for now to stop being annoyed... if you ever find out how firefox/iceweasel gets to those defaults... I'd still be interested, though... |
| 09:47.04 | luichi | and apache2-bin package is need if i don't have any service? |
| 09:47.04 | luichi | *server |
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| 09:47.14 | thoonai | or an archive where jigdo can find all the files? |
| 09:47.24 | vo1d | well me too Iridos :) |
| 09:47.33 | vo1d | i will tell you if i find something interesting somewhen |
| 09:47.41 | EmleyMoor | luichi: There may be things you do have that need it (or another web server) |
| 09:48.02 | luichi | EmleyMoor: ok |
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| 09:49.33 | Iridos | vo1d, hmm, actually... on uninstalling wine-bin, the postrm says: Processing triggers for mime-support ... |
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| 09:52.06 | Iridos | vo1d, aha, aha.. it runs: /usr/sbin/update-binfmts --package wine --remove wine /usr/bin/wine |
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| 09:52.34 | shellox | hi |
| 09:52.38 | Iridos | vo1d, and manpage for update-binfmts says update-binfmts — maintain registry of executable binary formats |
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| 09:52.51 | shellox | can you guys help me with a locale problem pls |
| 09:52.57 | shellox | i really have no idea what's wrong |
| 09:53.25 | EmleyMoor | shellox: What's happening? |
| 09:53.29 | shellox | my locales are correctly set to |
| 09:53.31 | shellox | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c7e8ac135cfe8a0cf68b/raw/48c10a4bfce9a71f4557ead903dc763430a31f34/gistfile1.txt |
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| 09:53.53 | shellox | but i cant do echo "下雜" etc. |
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| 09:54.16 | shellox | it just ignores the chinese characters and I'm not sure why |
| 09:54.23 | vo1d | alright alright, so its the update-binfmts |
| 09:54.38 | vo1d | maybe this beahviour can be triggered without removing software too ! |
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| 09:54.41 | vo1d | good news |
| 09:54.56 | Iridos | vo1d, well, not sure if this is the base cause... because this is something that would let the kernel run windows stuff with wine when directly called... *shrug* |
| 09:55.35 | thoonai | does somebody can help me getting an iso image of debian 3 |
| 09:55.54 | vo1d | damn wine ... |
| 09:56.03 | shellox | EmleyMoor: also i have another centos box where it works, so I'm not sure what exactly could be the problem |
| 09:56.05 | lnxslck | thoonai, debian 3 ? |
| 09:56.13 | thoonai | lnxslck: yes |
| 09:56.34 | thoonai | I need it for using two matrox g450 MMS |
| 09:57.19 | thoonai | and the dvi ports arent usable until you compile the binary driver |
| 09:57.52 | thoonai | but the binary driver complains that the x server is to new |
| 09:57.58 | thoonai | under debian 5 |
| 09:58.32 | Iridos | vo1d, oh well... seems a dead end anyway... because iceweasel still sees wine stuff as "default", although it cannot run it because now there's no wine anymore |
| 09:59.56 | colo-work | are there any caldav and/or carddav _clients_ in Debian that you are aware of? |
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| 10:01.14 | thoonai | colo-work: i think davical could help you |
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| 10:01.36 | Sevet | thoonai: matrox.com claims there are opensource drivers for it available, perhaps you don't need to use the binary driver? |
| 10:02.07 | thoonai | Sevet: the open source driver doesnt support dvi afaik |
| 10:02.09 | colo-work | thoonai, davical is a caldav server afaik |
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| 10:05.59 | vo1d | what i found now Iridos -> ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list |
| 10:06.05 | vo1d | look if you find wine in there :) |
| 10:06.18 | vo1d | maybe thats the file that messes everything up |
| 10:06.49 | vo1d | on some arch support page i found that line: "For non-GNOME users, Firefox may not associate file types properly or at all (in the "Open With" part of the download dialog). Installing libgnome from the official repositories amends the problem. " |
| 10:07.28 | vo1d | well i dont know what libgnome got to do with that ? but maybe reinstalling it can reset to defaults ? |
| 10:07.50 | vo1d | Iridos so many ways no solution ... its embarassing - iceweasel and default apps |
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| 10:12.22 | thoonai | the jigdo cast 131 files missing with the jigdo file from cdimage.debian.org and archive.debian.org |
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| 10:22.33 | Iridos | vo1d, well, fascinating... I just did a package-upgrade, which contained a new iceweasel from security... then had to reboot for unrelated reasons... and now all the wine stuff is gone... |
| 10:23.01 | vo1d | haha , nice |
| 10:23.15 | vo1d | well good to know just update iceweasel and bad things are gone |
| 10:23.47 | Iridos | yeah, I think it was the iceweasel postinst or some script ... reboot shouldn't really matter |
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| 10:31.03 | buu | Haha wtf |
| 10:31.17 | buu | My drive doesn't have a partition at all, I'm so confused |
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| 10:33.36 | buu | So it doesn't have a partition.. but I created a new one.. which is invalid.. so can I just delete that one? |
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| 10:33.51 | buu | I guess I just forgot to partition the damn thing when I first installed it? |
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| 10:36.29 | Iridos | buu, are you asking us what you did on your machine at some time previous? |
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| 10:37.33 | petern_ | buu, what tools are you using... |
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| 10:39.12 | buu | Iridos: I was mostly just reflecting out loud. |
| 10:39.28 | buu | Iridos: I spent a while earlier in this channel being quite confused as to why my disk had no partition table and how I could fix that. |
| 10:39.37 | buu | petern_: 'mount' |
| 10:40.01 | petern_ | kk |
| 10:40.28 | petern_ | Just remembering the last time I looked at a GPT disk with fdisk, heh... |
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| 10:53.21 | thoonai | ok i'll give it a try with debian 4 |
| 10:53.32 | thoonai | probably this will work |
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| 11:44.36 | Roenie82 | what is the proper way to clone wheezy (including all installed packages and configuration) to another machine that has different hardware (but the same CPU architecture)? |
| 11:47.36 | Roenie82 | the target system is running winXP which will have to become a 2nd boot option in grub |
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| 11:47.57 | p0g0 | cp -a -x .... |
| 11:48.00 | Roenie82 | and the target system will have / on raid 1 |
| 11:48.08 | Roenie82 | linux software raid |
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| 11:49.12 | Roenie82 | please define "...." |
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| 11:50.47 | p0g0 | Roenie82: it means that you can read up on the cp command, learn what -a and -x do, and how to use the cp command, you can use that command to migrate installations, and then postfix whatever you need in terms of different hardware settings. |
| 11:51.38 | Roenie82 | what dirs do I leave out of the cp command? |
| 11:51.50 | Roenie82 | var, proc, anything else? |
| 11:52.17 | p0g0 | don't try to copy a running system... |
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| 11:53.07 | p0g0 | at least not with the cp command. |
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| 11:55.47 | Roenie82 | is it a better idea to dump a list of installed packages, go through setup as normal, then feed said list to aptitude? then copy /etc over from the other machine? |
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| 11:57.54 | lesshaste | hi |
| 11:58.05 | lesshaste | I would like to zero-out unused memory pages to reduce the size of VM snapshots. The hypervisor saves all non-zero pages in the snapshot, so freed, non-zero, but unused pages are stored in the snapshot when they needn't be. |
| 11:58.10 | lesshaste | Is this possible? |
| 11:58.32 | OpenTokix | lesshaste: for backup or what? |
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| 11:59.24 | lesshaste | OpenTokix, No -- to distribute for development |
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| 12:00.00 | OpenTokix | lesshaste: Can't you juse compress them? |
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| 12:00.14 | lesshaste | OpenTokix, non-zero pages don't compress that well |
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| 12:01.40 | OpenTokix | lesshaste: intresting problem |
| 12:02.39 | lesshaste | OpenTokix, thanks.. I think I need a kernel dev to know the answer |
| 12:02.42 | lesshaste | do any hang out here? |
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| 12:06.14 | lesshaste | is there a debian kernel channel that has anyone in it? |
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| 12:20.03 | luichi | hello |
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| 12:20.35 | luichi | im trying to connect to freenode with empathy but it keeps connecting, why? |
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| 12:20.53 | luichi | i've put my user and pass and selected freenode from the list |
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| 12:23.33 | babilen | luichi: You probably want either an empathy related channel or #freenode - I don't understand how this is related to Debian :) |
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| 12:25.09 | oskie | luichi: it's good that it is connecting! |
| 12:25.19 | oskie | you shouldn't worry about stuff like that |
| 12:26.01 | babilen | And yes, I also don't quite understand what the actual problem is. All you are essentially saying is "it works and keeps on working" so ... |
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| 12:26.15 | oskie | :) |
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| 12:27.42 | luichi | oskie: yes but it doesn't connect xd |
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| 12:28.57 | Kuroshita | hey is there a utility like apport in debian testing that I can use for bug reporting? |
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| 12:29.41 | babilen | luichi: You want #empathy on Gimpnet (irc.gimp.org). irc://irc.gimp.org/empathy for empathy specific support -- are you using Debian? |
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| 12:29.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kuroshita -about reportbug |
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| 12:30.19 | luichi | babilen: ok i didn't found the channel |
| 12:30.27 | Kuroshita | oh cool, will reportbug intercept crashes without me knowing? |
| 12:30.42 | babilen | Kuroshita: no, surely not |
| 12:30.54 | Kuroshita | I'm just looking for the lazy man's way of reporting crashes and shiz |
| 12:30.58 | babilen | That would be ludicrous! |
| 12:31.12 | Kuroshita | haha |
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| 12:31.59 | luichi | another question |
| 12:32.13 | luichi | i have a script which i have airodump-ng -w output mon0 -c $canal --bssid $bssid & and then i have aireplay-ng -1 0 -e $nomwifi-a $bssid -h $station mon0 but only executes the first command and doesn't do the second because the first is scanning and won't finish never |
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| 12:33.27 | babilen | luichi: Which distribution do you use? |
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| 12:34.05 | luichi | babilen: debian |
| 12:34.33 | babilen | luichi: You might want to ask in #aircrack-ng rather than here as that doesn't really sound like a problem with the package in Debian. |
| 12:34.48 | luichi | babilen: yes it is |
| 12:34.55 | luichi | babilen: the command is not important |
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| 12:35.34 | luichi | babilen: the important thing i want to know is how i can run the second command in a new terminal |
| 12:35.41 | deepy | luichi: install tmux |
| 12:35.52 | deepy | That way you ran in one terminal run multiple commands at the same time |
| 12:36.02 | babilen | luichi: So you want #bash rather than #aircrack-ng ? |
| 12:36.10 | luichi | deepy: and i have to put an special command? |
| 12:36.13 | deepy | You can even split up your screens and have them display at the same time |
| 12:36.14 | deepy | http://tmux.sourceforge.net/tmux5.png |
| 12:36.16 | luichi | babilen: yes i think so :) |
| 12:36.50 | deepy | luichi: tmux would wrap around it, so you'd start tmux, start one of the commands in tmux, then tell tmux to either split the screen or to create a new 'window' and then you'd run the second command there |
| 12:36.51 | luichi | deepy: nice program :) |
| 12:36.53 | babilen | luichi: Do you want to run those commands *manually* or are you asking how to run them both within the same bash script? For the former see deepy's insightful answer and for the latter #bash :) |
| 12:37.36 | bitgeek | I'm new to packaging so am curious which system #debian would learn first, apt, aptitude, etc.? Should I focus on one or would I need to be comfortable in each to be proficient? |
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| 12:38.38 | umarzuki | what is the best way to use preseed for large installations? |
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| 12:40.34 | luichi | deepy: i've been trying tmux but i think is not what im looking for |
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| 12:41.17 | deepy | luichi: yeah, it mostly depends on how you want them to run, if you want to see separate output splitting hte screen is nice, otherwise bash scripting might be hte way to go |
| 12:41.31 | luichi | deepy: look my script is this one http://pastebin.com/aMTyuK4W |
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| 12:42.17 | luichi | deepy: sorry here is the good version http://pastebin.com/6sfhTmf2 |
| 12:42.22 | babilen | luichi: You want #bash, really .. that channel is much better suited to helping you with, well, bash scripting. (surprise!) |
| 12:42.31 | deepy | mm, yeah, it's definately #bash |
| 12:42.52 | luichi | yes but i dont see nobody answering :( |
| 12:42.55 | babilen | luichi: And make that "/bin/bash" if you want bash and not "/bin/sh" |
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| 12:43.34 | babilen | luichi: "13:42:54 pgas > so what's the question?" |
| 12:43.46 | babilen | Please, don't make this harder than it needs to be. :) |
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| 12:46.31 | luichi | babilen: ok thanks |
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| 12:49.12 | ExeciN | Today, I have no title bar, no maximize/minimize/exit buttons and I can't move the windows around. I am on wheezy using xfce. Whats wrong? how can I fix it? |
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| 12:50.16 | themill | sounds like the window manager has crashed |
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| 12:51.28 | ExeciN | themill: how can I manually start the service again? |
| 12:52.17 | petn-randall | ExeciN: Probably not, unless you have a terminal open where you can execute programs in. |
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| 12:52.28 | petn-randall | s/you have/you already have/ |
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| 12:53.17 | ExeciN | petn-randall: That won't be a problem |
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| 12:55.42 | ExeciN | petn-randall: what service should I attempt to start? |
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| 12:58.10 | petn-randall | ExeciN: /usr/bin/xfwm4 |
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| 13:07.17 | omarek | I do have the 'postgis' package installed, but when I perform '\dx' in psql shell, I see no line for postgis. |
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| 13:23.43 | Dirkos | How can i add error handling in this script (bash) http://pastebin.com/xXCC6BKa |
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| 13:39.08 | DammitJim | where does one enable pub key authentication on an ssh server? |
| 13:39.26 | DammitJim | it's still asking me for my password instead of using the key placed in the user's .ssh directory |
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| 13:40.50 | themill | DammitJim: are you using the standard filename(s)? permissions right? (same at the server end?) |
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| 13:46.31 | DammitJim | yeah |
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| 13:46.51 | DammitJim | oh, this is using OpenBSD sshd_config |
| 13:46.57 | DammitJim | I think this server might be a Red Hat server |
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| 13:47.43 | DammitJim | the HostKey entry is commented out (where normally one sees /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key) |
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| 13:48.42 | themill | host keys are entirely different |
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| 13:49.00 | DammitJim | oh ok |
| 13:49.17 | DammitJim | oh weird... it just worked |
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| 13:58.48 | petn-randall | omarek: Are you sure you also installed the postgis-X.Y-postgis package, too? |
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| 14:06.12 | omarek | petn-randall: Yes, that was actually the problem. |
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| 14:25.32 | mar09 | !list |
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| 14:25.32 | dpkg | mar09: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.2.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 14:26.57 | pha | silly q, but 'wget -qO www.blah.com > /dev/null 2>&1' ... would this be OK to use if I have multiple cronjobs with wget running? |
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| 14:34.45 | KBme | is it possible to find out whether a package has been installed from a specific repo or not? |
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| 14:35.29 | KBme | I know of apt-cache policy but it's really slow and I'm only interested in whether the package has been installed from a specific repo or not |
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| 14:36.06 | themill | apt-cache policy it is |
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| 14:38.11 | KBme | ok |
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| 14:43.32 | petn-randall | omarek: Glad I could help! |
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| 14:44.03 | petn-randall | KBme: What do you mean with slow? If I use it, it's near instant. |
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| 14:44.50 | KBme | well, for 37k packages there is a huge difference between dpkg-query -S and apt-cache policy |
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| 14:47.06 | themill | KBme: dpkg-query -S and apt-cache policy are entirely different things |
| 14:47.17 | themill | searching for different information |
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| 14:47.20 | Dirkos | I dont have a "mail" function available? What do i need to install? |
| 14:47.53 | themill | Dirkos: one of bsd-mailx, heirloom-mailx is normal |
| 14:47.59 | KBme | themill, well, never mind, I can use dpkg-query for all packages and just apt-cache policy for installed ones and then the speed doesn't matter |
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| 14:49.00 | themill | KBme: dpkg-query -S is searching the contents of packages |
| 14:49.23 | Dirkos | themill: is it hard to configure? i see it is not working "out of the box" |
| 14:49.31 | KBme | er |
| 14:49.38 | KBme | themill, it's -s sorry |
| 14:49.40 | KBme | status |
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| 14:50.00 | themill | Dirkos: you need to have a working MTA on the box |
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| 14:50.12 | themill | KBme: yeah, although that can't tell you anything about which repo the package came from |
| 14:50.14 | Dirkos | mta? |
| 14:50.21 | KBme | yep i see that |
| 14:50.33 | themill | Dirkos: mail-transport-agent like exim (which you probably already have) |
| 14:50.45 | Dirkos | ah so i need to reconfigure that one first :) |
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| 14:50.59 | themill | Dirkos: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 14:52.09 | Dirkos | themill: mail -s "Output from backup script" name@mydomain.com is the correct format right? Because im getting a blank line |
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| 14:54.37 | Sevet | has anyone seen using ipsets with iptables cause a kernel panic? |
| 14:54.40 | Sevet | (wheezy) |
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| 15:01.29 | pinkvanilla | hey guys any idea how to install printer which only has windows driver onto wheezy? |
| 15:02.05 | SineTheEnslaver | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.05 | DotHack | pinkvanilla: try pcl5 driver? |
| 15:02.12 | SineTheEnslaver | ^ |
| 15:02.19 | DotHack | pinkvanilla: or postscript |
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| 15:02.31 | pinkvanilla | its a ricoh mpc2551 |
| 15:02.35 | SineTheEnslaver | if it has an ethernet port you can try setting it up via the networked printer option as well |
| 15:02.37 | pinkvanilla | network printer |
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| 15:03.10 | SineTheEnslaver | pinkvanilla: honestly, i've never encountered a printer linux didn't support outright |
| 15:03.35 | pinkvanilla | how would you normally install a printer on linux |
| 15:03.38 | SineTheEnslaver | give PCL5 or PS a shot |
| 15:03.46 | pinkvanilla | sorry i shouldve given the noob alert |
| 15:03.46 | SineTheEnslaver | well normally you wouldn't need to |
| 15:03.52 | SineTheEnslaver | nah it's okay :D |
| 15:04.02 | pinkvanilla | how do i do it again? |
| 15:04.05 | pinkvanilla | on wheezy |
| 15:04.24 | SineTheEnslaver | normally you'd install something like CUPS and/or HPLIP and then just plug your printer in |
| 15:04.40 | pinkvanilla | this is a network printer |
| 15:04.53 | SineTheEnslaver | pinkvanilla: well then it depends on the desktop environment |
| 15:05.00 | SineTheEnslaver | each one has a different GUI |
| 15:05.13 | SineTheEnslaver | and different config files |
| 15:05.31 | pinkvanilla | im using lxde |
| 15:05.44 | SineTheEnslaver | ahh. okay, it's doubtful LXDE will have a printer GUI |
| 15:05.53 | SineTheEnslaver | in fact I don't remember seeing one |
| 15:06.04 | pinkvanilla | so there's no hope for me? |
| 15:06.07 | SineTheEnslaver | pinkvanilla: one sec, lemme see if i can find you an answer |
| 15:06.12 | SineTheEnslaver | no there's always hope :D |
| 15:06.15 | pinkvanilla | thank you... |
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| 15:06.36 | pinkvanilla | though hope is fragile, i'll hang on =) |
| 15:06.52 | pinkvanilla | but i do have wine installed though |
| 15:06.55 | pinkvanilla | will that help? |
| 15:07.12 | SineTheEnslaver | no |
| 15:07.19 | SineTheEnslaver | wine does not help for anything driver-related |
| 15:07.29 | mtn | pinkvanilla: looks like it should be supported in linux: http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Ricoh/Ricoh-Aficio_MP_C2551 |
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| 15:08.08 | pinkvanilla | hmmm so i guess now to figure out how to do it |
| 15:08.12 | pinkvanilla | without GUI |
| 15:08.14 | mtn | pinkvanilla: install system-config-printer |
| 15:08.28 | mtn | pinkvanilla: oh, no gui on your computer? |
| 15:08.36 | SineTheEnslaver | mtn: thank you. i didn't know what the package was |
| 15:08.42 | SineTheEnslaver | nah she has LXDE |
| 15:08.53 | SineTheEnslaver | just no stock config GUI with LXDE for printers |
| 15:09.42 | scampbell | pinkvanilla: Before you go on the apt-install, check your menu -> system -> printing It seems you should already have that. |
| 15:10.12 | mtn | pinkvanilla: you can also use your web browser by putting this in the address bar: http://localhost:631 |
| 15:10.40 | scampbell | pinkvanilla: confusing, you have lxde but no gui? |
| 15:11.04 | pinkvanilla | no gui for printing |
| 15:11.41 | pinkvanilla | i cant find anything anywhere that shows a way to add a printer |
| 15:11.58 | scampbell | pinkvanilla: try menu -> system -> printing If it's really not there then apt-install system-config-printer-gnome (even though you are lxde) |
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| 15:13.18 | scampbell | pinkvanilla: depending on the printer you may also wish to install hplip which has lots of extra drivers for HP printers. |
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| 15:14.02 | pinkvanilla | am installing gpt now |
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| 15:15.38 | scampbell | pinkvanilla: I presume that's for some other reason. |
| 15:15.50 | pinkvanilla | it says no such command |
| 15:15.51 | pinkvanilla | apt-install system-config-printer-gnome |
| 15:16.07 | scampbell | sorry: apt-get install system-config-printer-gnome |
| 15:16.13 | pinkvanilla | yea |
| 15:16.15 | pinkvanilla | now i see |
| 15:16.16 | pinkvanilla | sorry |
| 15:16.23 | pinkvanilla | ok downloading now |
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| 15:16.57 | pinkvanilla | the printer is still not there |
| 15:17.00 | pinkvanilla | as in its completed |
| 15:17.11 | pinkvanilla | but there is still no option to under system |
| 15:17.47 | scampbell | Probably won't show up until you log out but you can just run system-config-printer |
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| 15:20.59 | jhutchins_wk | I thought printing was all handled through cups now. |
| 15:21.20 | scampbell | system-config-printer is just a gui for setting up cups. |
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| 15:21.37 | scampbell | It scans for printers and suggests the proper drivers and stuff. |
| 15:21.51 | jelly | and hplip provides drivers for cups (and some hp-specific tools( |
| 15:22.03 | scampbell | jelly++ |
| 15:22.13 | jelly | )) |
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| 15:22.54 | f0lder | where are you melon |
| 15:22.57 | f0lder | pm me |
| 15:22.59 | STMelon | . |
| 15:23.03 | STMelon | <- |
| 15:23.08 | f0lder | haha |
| 15:23.11 | STMelon | lol |
| 15:23.13 | STMelon | hiya |
| 15:23.13 | f0lder | you hacked the server |
| 15:23.15 | f0lder | didnt you? |
| 15:23.18 | STMelon | nope |
| 15:23.23 | STMelon | icq's? |
| 15:23.26 | STMelon | netsplit |
| 15:23.29 | f0lder | no |
| 15:23.30 | f0lder | shutdown |
| 15:23.35 | STMelon | looked like a server shutdown tbh |
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| 15:24.11 | STMelon | we will get in trouble for offtopic lol |
| 15:24.22 | f0lder | where is pencil |
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| 15:25.49 | abrotman | f0lder: please go play in #defocus, thank you |
| 15:26.10 | Dirkos | echo -e "$output" | mail -s "$subject" $receiver Why doesnt it use newlines in my email? |
| 15:26.11 | pinkvanilla | erm guys |
| 15:26.24 | pinkvanilla | the printer ui came out when i typed in system-config-printer |
| 15:26.40 | pinkvanilla | and i tried adding the driver |
| 15:27.06 | pinkvanilla | but the problem is there is nowhere i can add the username and password like in windows |
| 15:27.08 | pinkvanilla | and it wont print |
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| 15:27.59 | scampbell | samba connection to that printer I take it? |
| 15:28.22 | pinkvanilla | nope |
| 15:28.22 | pinkvanilla | direct |
| 15:28.35 | scampbell | Then why is there a password?!? |
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| 15:29.08 | scampbell | pinkvanilla: lets back up, what make model printer is this? |
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| 15:29.26 | pinkvanilla | so that not every on the network can add this printer and print as they link |
| 15:29.34 | pinkvanilla | this is a charity organization |
| 15:29.39 | pinkvanilla | for students |
| 15:30.07 | abrotman | pinkvanilla: less enter please |
| 15:30.46 | pinkvanilla | sorry, whats that supposed to mean? |
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| 15:31.27 | abrotman | Please don't use the Enter key every fifth word |
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| 15:31.30 | mtn | pinkvanilla: it means write in complete sentences and stop hitting enter between workds |
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| 15:31.49 | pinkvanilla | ah i see, sorry |
| 15:33.20 | moondog | I have a Canon wireless all-in-one scanner/printer. It's supported in other distros out fo the box. But I can't get it to work in Debian for the life of me. And can find nothing on the net to help. I have the sane stuff installed. And my webcam shows as an "image device" but no scanner. help? |
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| 15:33.59 | DotHack | pinkvanilla: you need the ricoh ppd for that functionality |
| 15:34.03 | abrotman | is really glad he doesn't own a printer anymore :) |
| 15:34.20 | moondog | the printer part works fine... the scanner isn't recognized |
| 15:34.38 | abrotman | moondog: xsane says what? |
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| 15:35.02 | pinkvanilla | DotHack: How do i install it? I'll download it now |
| 15:35.45 | moondog | abrotman: you mean just run that command and it should tell me something? |
| 15:36.55 | moondog | I'm not in front of the machine at the moment :( |
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| 15:37.47 | moondog | but it essentially sees only one image device (the webcam) instead of two |
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| 15:38.29 | moondog | it would not so frustrating if other distros didn't have out of the box support |
| 15:38.31 | phenylanine | hello everyone |
| 15:38.42 | phenylanine | I have a question regarding adding a source to the aptitude sources list |
| 15:38.59 | abrotman | moondog: seems like being in front of the machine would be helpful? :) |
| 15:39.04 | abrotman | phenylanine: just ask |
| 15:39.08 | moondog | yes :) |
| 15:39.13 | phenylanine | when I perform the following command to add openerp, what does "./" at the end of the line mean? --> echo "deb http://nightly.openerp.com/7.0/nightly/deb/ ./" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:39.37 | abrotman | phenylanine: that's part of the source line |
| 15:39.37 | moondog | can't run xsane in an ssh terminal session I'm afraid |
| 15:39.42 | abrotman | nope |
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| 15:40.00 | phenylanine | abrotman: why isn't the url http://nightly.openerp.com/7.0/nightly/deb/ enough? |
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| 15:40.06 | helpcrypto | hi |
| 15:40.12 | abrotman | phenylanine: man sources.list has more info if you need that |
| 15:40.51 | helpcrypto | months ago i made some scripts to generate some deb packkages using equivs. Now seems the Files tag on the control file has changed, cause the file now becomes a directory ¿? |
| 15:41.01 | phenylanine | I don't think it will tell me why exactly we need "./" after the url? or will it? |
| 15:41.13 | Sevet | think about what that parameter represents |
| 15:41.15 | phenylanine | isn't there a simple answer, such as "it is to specify current folder" etc. ? ;-) |
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| 15:41.48 | helpcrypto | my line says "Files: ../../libasdftest.so /opt/myapp/libasdftest.so" |
| 15:41.56 | pinkvanilla | guys i have the ppd file from ricoh's website, what do i do with it now? |
| 15:42.05 | helpcrypto | but /opt/myapp/libasdftest.so isa directory after installing :S |
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| 15:43.20 | phenylanine | abrotman? |
| 15:43.26 | Sevet | phenylanine: it's a relative path to a url (the url you set being a base url)... it's *usually* the dist name, ./ as you say is current directory which suggests in their repo they have 1 folder containing everything instead of subfolders for each dist. |
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| 15:44.11 | phenylanine | thank you Sevet. can I add distribution name there as well? |
| 15:44.32 | Sevet | not without breaking it. you need to set values to match their repo. if that's what they tell you to put use it. |
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| 15:44.54 | phenylanine | ok. I understand |
| 15:44.56 | phenylanine | thank you very much |
| 15:44.58 | phenylanine | good bye! |
| 15:45.38 | helpcrypto | When generating a deb package, my control file has "Files: ../../libasdftest.so /opt/myapp/libasdftest.so" but file /opt/myapp/libasdftest.so is a directory when installed :S. Any help? |
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| 15:47.07 | abrotman | phenylanine: /win 1 |
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| 15:48.01 | jordanm | helpcrypto: debian packages should never install to /opt |
| 15:48.12 | jordanm | helpcrypto: and the control file doesn't contain file lists |
| 15:48.26 | helpcrypto | im using equivs... |
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| 15:50.37 | jordanm | helpcrypto: in that case, the 2nd path name is always a directory |
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| 15:50.50 | jordanm | helpcrypto: Files: <fileaname> <dirtocopyto> |
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| 15:51.29 | helpcrypto | will Files: ../../libasdf.so /opt/myapp/ copy the file properly? I swear i tried and didnt worked... |
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| 15:52.02 | jordanm | helpcrypto: it probably wouldn't work if /opt/myapp/libasdftest.so already exists and is a directory |
| 15:52.32 | helpcrypto | its not neither on the generated package (target directory is empty) |
| 15:52.49 | helpcrypto | *its neither |
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| 15:55.16 | maxyz | helpcrypto: But, if you already installed the broken package, then the system will have a directory called /opt/myapp/libasdftest.so, which you'll need to remove. |
| 15:56.04 | helpcrypto | maxyz: doesnt work even after removing. i found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=636310 but im already using 2.0.9 |
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| 15:58.22 | jelly | ,v open-vm-dkms |
| 15:58.23 | judd | Package: open-vm-dkms on i386 -- wheezy: 2:8.8.0+2012.05.21-724730-1+nmu2; jessie: 2:9.2.3-1031360-7; sid: 2:9.2.3-1031360-7 |
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| 16:00.38 | sidewalk | does wayland work with gnome in debian? |
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| 16:04.16 | helpcrypto | jordanm: maxyz FYI: i solved it copying the file to ./ cause seems '../' from source makes destination use ../ too, so final path was /opt/myapp/../../libasdftest.so |
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| 16:04.34 | helpcrypto | so Files: libasdftest.so /opt/myapp |
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| 16:16.06 | maxyz | helpcrypto: Oh, yeah, equivs is a very "simple" tool, it assumes no directories in the filename |
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| 16:16.52 | helpcrypto | ok. thx for your help! nice day! |
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| 16:19.59 | DUKENUKEM | off-topic question but cant find anything on google: does anyone know how to get Eterm to copy text to the PRIMARY clipboard ? (i switched from xterm where i could highlight text in a terminal, then leave my VM and copy it into the host) |
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| 16:21.19 | abrotman | Eterm is pretty broken |
| 16:21.27 | DUKENUKEM | lol |
| 16:21.32 | DUKENUKEM | yea maybe i should use another term |
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| 16:23.19 | DUKENUKEM | abrotman: what terminal do u use |
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| 16:24.07 | abrotman | dpkg: tell DUKENUKEM about u |
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| 16:29.53 | Xentinel | hey folks, is there a way to make a linux service (like openvpn) try to start again after some time, following a failed start? |
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| 16:31.56 | jmlich | hi, I am trying to install update to my raspberry pi and I am getting following error http://pastebin.com/Mx4qmubu |
| 16:31.57 | jelly | Xentinel: until a decent init replacement becomes default, you can use a helper tool like "monit" |
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| 16:38.34 | ratdeptrai | Does anyone know of an easy way to get a jessie system to run KDE 4.11 (final release 2 months ago)? Testing and Unstable both contain 4.10, although experimental does seem to have 4.11; I tried pinning to experimental with wildcards in package-names but there are so many apps and interdependencies that I can't seem to make it work without making experimental higher priority than testing for everything, which I don't want |
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| 16:39.55 | ksk | ratdeptrai: dont mix releases |
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| 16:41.48 | ratdeptrai | ksk: OK, by that do you mean, "don't try to run KDE 4.11 on jessie"? Or just, "don't try to install experimental packages on jessie". I only used experimental because I really don't want to compile _all_of_ KDE from source just to get the newer version and 4.11 is in there. I'd prefer a different solution. |
| 16:42.21 | jelly | ratdeptrai: you might want to ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net to avoid silly comments like that one |
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| 16:43.13 | ratdeptrai | jelly: thanks, I'll try that. |
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| 16:43.35 | mumpitze1 | !tell ratdeptrai about tum |
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| 16:43.50 | jelly | ratdeptrai: there's also a proper #debian-kde channel and its faq or something from their topic might tell you how to use their builds in experimental |
| 16:44.01 | jelly | ... on the same server |
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| 16:44.05 | jelly | (not here) |
| 16:44.32 | ratdeptrai | jelly: OK thanks, I'll try that too. |
| 16:45.27 | jelly | mumpitze1: I'm not sure APT::Default-Release "testing"; works at all these days |
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| 16:48.19 | ratdeptrai | mumpitze1: I can give that a try, but it looks like approximately what I was already doing with pinning and preferences, and it was extremely hard to get it to work because there are so many apps, libs, etc. in KDE all of which interdepend on each other and all of which have to come from the same release. |
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| 16:55.20 | Kyoko | Wondering what would be the best workflow with testing... Like - 1) weekly check changes/bugs and install upgrades after that or 2) install upgrades every day and if something fail - then check and eventually revert some package?? I just learned about apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs... Planning to review and use these... Or maybe there is more or better advice? |
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| 17:07.05 | cybrNaut | i need a tool to convert an address to a GPS coordinate.. is there anything for debian? |
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| 17:07.52 | jordanm | cybrNaut: that tool would require a database of addresses... your best bet will be to look for a web API |
| 17:08.24 | cybrNaut | jordanm: well i found http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/geocoder/, but it requires an account |
| 17:08.46 | cybrNaut | apparently for "premium" members |
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| 17:09.34 | digdilem | cybrNaut, i use google's api to lookup addresses and postcodes to coordinates |
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| 17:10.21 | ScottE | cybrNaut: there are also some services built around openstreetmap data for geolocation - such as http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim |
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| 17:10.45 | cybrNaut | digdilem: that website asks for "Your Google API v3 key".. do you need that for the way you do it? |
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| 17:11.05 | cybrNaut | ScottE: i'll check it out.. that sounds better than google |
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| 17:11.42 | ScottE | cybrNaut: I don't think it's necessarily better - I've found a lot of errors in OSM data, but it's an alternative that may or may not work for you |
| 17:11.44 | digdilem | cybrNaut, you can do it that way, or; |
| 17:11.47 | digdilem | "http://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/geocode/xml?address=$pc,+uk&sensor=false |
| 17:12.03 | digdilem | just change "$pc,uk" to a google friendly address/zip |
| 17:12.30 | digdilem | parse the resulting xml for lat/lng |
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| 17:14.40 | cybrNaut | ScottE: well when I said better, i meant non-intrusive. (google wants accounts, they block tor, etc, so i generally avoid google as much as possible) |
| 17:15.01 | digdilem | my link doesn't need an account |
| 17:15.16 | digdilem | and I don't blame them for blocking tor tbh :) |
| 17:15.34 | digdilem | or at least, throttling single ips as they do with tor exit nodes |
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| 17:15.48 | cybrNaut | digdilem: the link didn't work for me... perhaps google doesn't work with a defensive browser |
| 17:16.04 | cybrNaut | anyway, too much bullshit in general with google |
| 17:16.05 | digdilem | i use it with perl::lwp |
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| 17:16.25 | digdilem | your loss. i doubt youll find as accurate a system for free. you asked for a solution and i gave one |
| 17:16.27 | superfirelord42 | You can always use a different geocoding api. TAMU has one: http://geoservices.tamu.edu/Services/Geocode/ (Never used it before though, could not work great) |
| 17:16.47 | digdilem | there are lots of alternatives. |
| 17:17.51 | superfirelord42 | Yep, but uv tend not to do the account thing if you are worried about google. General search term is geocoding to get tons |
| 17:18.26 | cybrNaut | digdilem: i appreciate the suggestion.. i'll try it out of desperation if it goes to that, but i'm also keen to script. i was really hoping for something text-based that works from the commandline |
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| 17:19.01 | digdilem | ok |
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| 17:20.28 | cybrNaut | superfirelord42: thanks.. i'm starting to realize geocoding is the buzzword I'm after |
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| 17:34.29 | luminous | just init=/bin/sh? |
| 17:35.40 | _mel_ | HI. if i try to install nagios-plugins-basic it installs samba-common for dependency. the installer ask for a workgroup. how can i supress the question for unattended install? |
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| 17:40.16 | FailDrain | Whats this thing I hear about using Xen_PCI_Passthrough to get full power of the GPU in a virtual machine environment? |
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| 17:58.58 | hexhaxtron | Can I give a link to my wiki in the hope of having more contributors? |
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| 18:10.05 | telmich | good day |
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| 18:10.26 | telmich | how can I find out, why drbd8 has been removed from testing? -> http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/drbd8/news/20131015T163915Z.html and http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=drbd8-utils |
| 18:11.11 | jelly-home | !why is drbd8 not in testing |
| 18:11.12 | dpkg | drbd8 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://packages.qa.debian.org/drbd8 |
| 18:11.18 | jelly-home | huh |
| 18:11.27 | jelly-home | that's not overly helpful |
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| 18:12.58 | jelly-home | telmich: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=drbd8 links to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=drbd8-utils&sev-inc=critical&sev-inc=grave&sev-inc=serious links to #714210 |
| 18:13.24 | jelly-home | judd: bug 714210 |
| 18:13.25 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/714210 in drbd8-utils (open, jessie, sid): «DRBD 8.3 userland incompatible with 8.4 kernel modules»; severity: grave; opened: 2013-06-26; last modified: 2013-08-21. |
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| 18:39.22 | kardan | What is the reason that my screenshot of mplayer is just blue? |
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| 18:40.29 | kukac | hi, I have a kindle connected to my wheezy machine and I can't send to it files from calibre because it says that device is not connected. I can browse in calibre the memory of kindle.Strange. Any clue? |
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| 18:40.55 | kardan | Could this be related: Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.Shell was not provided by any .service files |
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| 18:41.23 | Dalnetss | what is better ,debian or xfce |
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| 18:43.20 | mumpitze1 | kardan: your screenshot program doesn't deal with video overlays |
| 18:43.46 | mumpitze1 | Dalnetss: you need to learn what debian is and what xfce is |
| 18:43.54 | sharky_ | Dalnetss, debian is distribution, xfce a desktop environmant, or a window manager |
| 18:44.44 | Dalnetss | thnaks |
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| 18:45.03 | KittyCat | I seem to be having trouble with sound. I'm on 64-bit debian, but I can't install libasound2-plugins:i386, so 32-bit apps can't open ALSA's default[/pulse] or dmix plugins |
| 18:45.19 | abrotman | XFCE is a Desktop Environment, its Window Manager is xfwm |
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| 18:45.33 | KittyCat | 32-bit apps can't seem to open 'hw:0,0' directly either, for some reason |
| 18:45.44 | sharky_ | abrotman, 10x :) |
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| 18:46.05 | FailDrain | for fuck sake hurry up download ! |
| 18:46.14 | FailDrain | want to get the fuck off windows for life |
| 18:46.36 | sharky_ | abrotman, I somhow mix them |
| 18:47.32 | kardan | mumpitze1: is there a way to change this for gnome-screenshot? gpe-screenshot is fine. |
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| 18:48.03 | sharky_ | Failattu, that is the spirit |
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| 18:48.37 | FailDrain | going to look at opengl web software while I wait... |
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| 18:52.04 | mumpitze1 | kardan: mplayer has different output mechanisms. look at its manpage |
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| 18:53.09 | kardan | mumpitze1: good point :) |
| 18:53.38 | Failattu | sharky_: wrong highlight |
| 18:53.43 | kardan | wonders wht is the state of glc http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=627560 |
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| 18:54.19 | sharky_ | Failattu, sorry didn't see |
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| 18:55.06 | Failattu | sharky_: np |
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| 18:57.14 | kardan | s is the key. Now I know, yip. |
| 18:57.28 | ScreamFR | hello here |
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| 18:58.57 | ScreamFR | question : my two servers have rebooted (the second 2 hours after the 1st) with msg shutdown[8746]: shutting down for system halt |
| 18:59.10 | ScreamFR | shall I start worrying? lol |
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| 19:00.28 | jordanm | ScreamFR: sounds like someone just ran shutdown |
| 19:00.37 | ScreamFR | that's the problem |
| 19:00.42 | sharky_ | ScreamFR, not if you have initialized that yourself |
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| 19:01.46 | ScreamFR | I didn't.. and according to logs there were no successfull access last couples days |
| 19:02.01 | ScreamFR | and last successful was me |
| 19:02.02 | sharky_ | ScreamFR, before worrying you need to find the reason, which means auditing the logs in /var/log like system, messages, auth, dpkg |
| 19:02.25 | ScreamFR | yeah I did.. nothing irregular |
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| 19:02.42 | sharky_ | ScreamFR, also kernel logs, if you have apt-get upgrde in some cron job |
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| 19:03.22 | nmschulte | I would like some help setting up a VPN connection with NetworkManager and openconnect (Cisco AnyConnect SSL VPN). |
| 19:03.38 | JoMs | Hey! Some time ago I set up the Google Authenticator, and for fun I also set it up so if one failed on the google OTP one had to repeat the accounts password. but now I am tired of that, and want to go back to the default ssh-setup. I've removed the google-auth, but I can't seem to get rid of the extra password. I remember that I set in a sudo in some file when setting ut up, but I can't seem to remember what file it was. Any suggestio |
| 19:04.01 | ScreamFR | what does kern.log contains exactly? there are lines only after the reboot |
| 19:04.10 | ScreamFR | and kern.log.1 is two weeks ago |
| 19:04.26 | sharky_ | ScreamFR, then your server logs (apache, nginx or whatever server you use) |
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| 19:04.56 | ScreamFR | could they reboot via apache? |
| 19:05.10 | ScreamFR | some kind of injection then? |
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| 19:05.24 | sharky_ | ScreamFR, it may had some error or something |
| 19:05.29 | ScreamFR | there is way too much lines on both access and error logs to see anything |
| 19:05.42 | luminous | musca: thanks! |
| 19:06.02 | sharky_ | you need to look for specific things most lines you should be able to ignore fast |
| 19:06.14 | sharky_ | or just grep if you know what you search for |
| 19:06.35 | ScreamFR | and what do I search for exactly lol? |
| 19:07.05 | sharky_ | thats the big question |
| 19:07.08 | ScreamFR | there is nowhere a way to know what exaclty (which process or anything) that did make the reload? |
| 19:07.23 | ScreamFR | reboot* |
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| 19:08.56 | ScreamFR | oh true.. actually the 2de server doesn't have any website on it |
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| 19:09.10 | ScreamFR | so that wouldn't explain reboot on both servers |
| 19:09.12 | sharky_ | ScreamFR, it may be also current fluctoation or spike |
| 19:10.01 | ScreamFR | what do you mean exactly sharky? |
| 19:10.04 | sharky_ | do you host them at home or in some datacenter? |
| 19:10.12 | ScreamFR | datacenter |
| 19:10.23 | ScreamFR | they say nothing was wrong at their side |
| 19:10.52 | ScreamFR | other question.. if it was hardware... would there be a log like that line ? |
| 19:10.58 | ScreamFR | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:11.42 | sharky_ | here google would be probably better than me |
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| 19:12.40 | JordiGH | How can I tell Linux to not swap at all? No swap partition, no swap file, everything should just OOM? |
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| 19:13.45 | sharky_ | JordiGH, # swapoff -a |
| 19:13.46 | ScreamFR | yeah lol google has suffered of me already ^^ |
| 19:13.48 | JordiGH | lol |
| 19:13.53 | ScreamFR | thank you anyway (Y) |
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| 19:13.58 | shingouz | ScreamFR: just an idea: check the bash_history on every user, maybe there is some hint. if there is a shutdown, check where the user logged on |
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| 19:14.13 | ScreamFR | yeah shingouz nothing |
| 19:14.19 | sharky_ | jordanm, if want to activate it # swapon -a |
| 19:14.48 | JordiGH | sharky_: I'll probably see slowness as the disk cache suffers, right? |
| 19:15.02 | JoMs | Hey! Some time ago I set up the Google Authenticator, and for fun I also set it up so if one failed on the google OTP one had to repeat the accounts password. but now I am tired of that, and want to go back to the default ssh-setup. I've removed the google-auth, but I can't seem to get rid of the extra password. I remember that I set in a sudo in some file when setting ut up, but I can't seem to remember what file it was. Any suggestio |
| 19:15.02 | ScreamFR | but there is also no log of any ssh sucessful login... so unless someone got it and took time to remove all that from multiple places where it's logged... |
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| 19:15.40 | sharky_ | JordiGH, it gets slow if you use too much ram and it starts swapping |
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| 19:15.56 | JordiGH | sharky_: How can it swap if I said swapoff -a? |
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| 19:16.10 | sharky_ | JordiGH, but if you deactivate swap and need more ram than you have bad things start to happen |
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| 19:16.20 | dondelelcaro | JoMs: it's probably in /etc/pam.d/common-auth or similar |
| 19:16.20 | shingouz | ScreamFR: and no suspicious failed logon attempts either i guess |
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| 19:16.59 | JoMs | dondelelcaro: I can't seem to see anything there that's out of the ordinary or that I've might have typed in myself |
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| 19:17.43 | dondelelcaro | JoMs: and not in common-password either? |
| 19:17.51 | dondelelcaro | JoMs: because that's how the authentication will actually be done |
| 19:17.53 | sharky_ | ScreamFR, check all newly created or changed files on the system |
| 19:18.06 | dondelelcaro | (unless you specifically modified /etc/pam.d/ssh instead of modifying the include files) |
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| 19:18.19 | ScreamFR | shingouz, there a lot of failed login attempts... but I got used to that |
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| 19:19.08 | JoMs | dondelelcaro: seems just as fine. I know something was modified in the /etc/pam.d/sshd, but I can't recall what more than the couple of lines for google auth wich I've removed. do you know if there's a default sshd-file? |
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| 19:19.17 | ScreamFR | sharky_, yes I'll do that I haven't yet. I doubt there is a hacker behind... he would have screwed everything already |
| 19:19.24 | JoMs | dondelelcaro: would've been nice to have something to compare with |
| 19:19.32 | dondelelcaro | JoMs: just use a paste site to add it |
| 19:19.35 | ScreamFR | just trying to figure where the fault comes from so it doesn't reboot again |
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| 19:20.09 | sharky_ | ScreamFR, that is the right path |
| 19:20.14 | JoMs | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/4bhQaZ6w this is how it looks now, after I've removed the lines for google-auth |
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| 19:20.34 | DANtheBEASTman | is there an easy way to get a more recent kernel without compiling? |
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| 19:20.49 | jordanm | !tell DANtheBEASTman about bpo |
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| 19:21.28 | shingouz | ScreamFR: keyboard hardware failure (which is pretty much impossible considering the systems are at a datacenter), PFY doing some mistakes in the server room are also possible explanations |
| 19:22.01 | mo1991 | s |
| 19:22.25 | ScreamFR | first server reboots at 8:11 (datacenter local time) and second at 10:32 |
| 19:22.30 | dondelelcaro | JoMs: looks pretty reasonable to me |
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| 19:22.52 | ScreamFR | would be stupid for that employee to do the same error twice lol shingouz |
| 19:23.09 | jeward_ | Can anyone help me debug apache authing against active directory? |
| 19:23.10 | JoMs | dondelelcaro: well, that's good because that's what it does to me too. I think I wrote something like 'sudo' in some file, so the sudo-command would be run at some point |
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| 19:23.38 | shingouz | ScreamFR: PFY is by definition stupid, it takes a loooong time to become The BOFH |
| 19:23.40 | dondelelcaro | JoMs: but anyway, you can see the defaults in /usr/share/pam/ |
| 19:23.50 | dondelelcaro | JoMs: and for the per-service files, they're usually in the specific package that uses them |
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| 19:24.01 | JoMs | dondelelcaro: nice, I'll check around with them then |
| 19:24.03 | ScreamFR | lol |
| 19:24.09 | dondelelcaro | JoMs: and if it's just sudo that is doing it, it'll be in /etc/sudoers |
| 19:24.29 | dondelelcaro | (but I was under the impression that it was ssh which was asking you for multiple passwords, not sudo) |
| 19:24.51 | JoMs | dondelelcaro: yeah, it's ssh utilizing the sudo-command to ask for password one more time |
| 19:25.14 | JoMs | dondelelcaro: is there any of these files that only affects one user, I think when I set it up, it only affected me and not the other users |
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| 19:25.49 | dondelelcaro | JoMs: you can certainly do that with pam, and you can also do that with /etc/ssh/sshd_config, but it'd be kind of odd |
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| 19:26.07 | dondelelcaro | JoMs: you might have some sort of ChallengeResponseAuthentication set up in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 19:27.39 | JoMs | dondelelcaro: the ChallengeResponseAuthentication is disabled as of from when I removed google-auth |
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| 19:28.57 | dondelelcaro | JoMs: about the only other thing I can think of is that you've stuck something in your .bashrc or similar |
| 19:29.10 | JoMs | dondelelcaro: I'll take a look there too |
| 19:29.11 | dondelelcaro | JoMs: but that wouldn't be a reasonable way of doing it, since someone could bypass that |
| 19:29.19 | dondelelcaro | or you've made something else your shell |
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| 19:30.03 | jeward_ | Can anyone help me debug apache authing against active directory? |
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| 19:30.41 | dondelelcaro | jeward_: I'd ask in #apache first |
| 19:30.48 | dondelelcaro | jeward_: they'll probably know better |
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| 19:31.40 | JoMs | dondelelcaro: I just disabled UsePAM in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and it still asked me for password twice. that points to not being the PAM that's been fiddled with, right? |
| 19:31.59 | dondelelcaro | JoMs: yeah |
| 19:32.21 | dondelelcaro | JoMs: and if the rest of your sshd_config looks reasonable, I'd consider checking shell initialization or similar |
| 19:32.37 | dondelelcaro | JoMs: if ssh foohost hostname; or similar only asks once, then you have an answer |
| 19:32.55 | dondelelcaro | (you could also figure this out with ssh -vv |
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| 19:33.42 | JoMs | think I found it! more or less in my face |
| 19:33.51 | JoMs | "ForceCommand su $USER" in sshd_config |
| 19:33.52 | dondelelcaro | cool |
| 19:33.56 | dondelelcaro | ah; yeah, that'd do it |
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| 19:34.19 | dondelelcaro | and that's a really, really bad way to do it |
| 19:34.30 | dondelelcaro | because it breaks people running commands from ssh |
| 19:34.41 | JoMs | true |
| 19:34.54 | JoMs | well, the server has a lot of signs of malpractice :D |
| 19:35.07 | JoMs | thanks for the help though! it was really useful! :) |
| 19:35.12 | dondelelcaro | no problem; glad you found it! |
| 19:35.19 | JoMs | so am I |
| 19:35.36 | JoMs | well, have a good evening/day/morning/wherever you are :) |
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| 19:40.58 | ScreamFR | find / -mmin 500 |
| 19:41.17 | ScreamFR | is that command a good way to see modified files within 5 last hours? |
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| 19:42.00 | rryoumaa | 300 would :) |
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| 19:42.33 | ScreamFR | yeah correct lol that's good anyway.. but I would have expected to see all logs files :o |
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| 19:42.43 | ScreamFR | I don't see any log file in result :o |
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| 19:42.59 | rryoumaa | you want -300 |
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| 19:43.33 | ScreamFR | what does 300 do then exactly :o ? |
| 19:43.38 | rryoumaa | exactly |
| 19:44.48 | KittyCat | how am I supposed to get sound in 32-bit apps on 64-bit debian? |
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| 19:45.35 | KittyCat | google searches are telling me I need to install libasound2-plugins:i386, but I can't because of conflicts between libopus0 and libopus0:i386 |
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| 19:48.18 | KittyCat | I've tried telling it to use hardware alsa devices directly, 'hw:0,0', but alsa throws an error that the PCM doesn't exist |
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| 19:49.02 | KittyCat | I've tried installing libpulsedsp:i386 and (manually, since padsp doesn't work for 32-bit apps) preload /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pulseaudio/libpulsedsp.so while telling the app to use OSS, but it too errors, with "ioctl SNDCTL_SYSINFO failed: Invalid argument" |
| 19:50.14 | KittyCat | any ideas? |
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| 19:50.21 | justinas | Good morning. |
| 19:50.29 | mo1991 | kittycat - are you using Jessie? |
| 19:50.42 | justinas | When the new kernel is going to be released in jessie? |
| 19:50.43 | KittyCat | mo1991, yes, I believe so |
| 19:51.02 | justinas | I can't find any info about kernel roadmaps or similar. |
| 19:51.03 | mo1991 | libasound2-plugins:i386 is broken in Jessie. Works in Stable |
| 19:51.35 | mo1991 | you can download the package individually and then dpkg --force-depends -i |
| 19:52.04 | mo1991 | it works then to allow pulse control over 32 bit apps, but it will give you errors as a broken package in apt and synaptic I think |
| 19:52.29 | mo1991 | I had same issue previously for gaming. For that and a few other reasons I went back to stable |
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| 19:53.09 | slooth | Hello. I want to compile my own kernel. What's the proper way to do that? Thanks |
| 19:53.20 | slooth | I am using Debian Wheezy 7.2 |
| 19:53.34 | justinas | slooth: Tons of info on the web. |
| 19:54.25 | slooth | justinas, pretty pointless comment |
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| 19:55.14 | justinas | Like the question, like the answer, or did you forget the STFW acronym? |
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| 19:55.53 | mo1991 | I just notice now that I have switched back to wheezy - that in xchat I do not have a user list for the channel on the right like there normally is, despite view user list being checked in the menu. Anyone know how to get this back? Fresh Wheezy install |
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| 19:56.12 | slooth | justinas, pretty pointless comment |
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| 19:57.19 | justinas | mo1991: Hm, downgrade xchat? |
| 19:57.41 | abrotman | mo1991: so, it used to "hide", you'd have to drag it over |
| 19:58.45 | justinas | slooth: Perfectly readable instructions are there: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
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| 19:58.48 | mo1991 | VI can't seem to get it to a point where I can see it at all? And I'm on Stable. Weird Abrotman are you saying it's hideen somehow on the right? |
| 19:59.16 | mo1991 | got it thanks abrotman |
| 19:59.22 | justinas | These instructions produce debs for the kernel image and headers. Followed them myself and they work. |
| 19:59.23 | mo1991 | it was hidden on right |
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| 20:00.38 | justinas | I would note, though, that before make menuconfig you would most likely want to copy over your old config that resides in /boot and then do make oldconfig |
| 20:00.38 | slooth | justinas, thanks for the link. It is just the same version, but manually. I need much newer kernel version. I've done it a lot of times before, so I'll just do it the way I know :) |
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| 20:02.08 | justinas | As for the "newer kernel"... Hm, on jessie, even though the current kernel is 3.10.3, you would get 3.11.5 sources. |
| 20:02.27 | justinas | Not new enough? |
| 20:02.43 | justinas | Also, if you ONLY want a newer kernel, you can install a kernel from experimental. |
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| 20:02.55 | justinas | Those are 3.12 IIRC. |
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| 20:02.59 | slooth | That's actually a good idea. Saves a lot of trouble. Experimental thing |
| 20:03.05 | slooth | I'll give that a try. Thanks |
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| 20:03.24 | MraMaria | Pls, an updated/nice/good tuto for creating multiple virtual hosts on apache2 |
| 20:03.50 | abrotman | mo1991: it's tricky :) |
| 20:04.07 | icesword | hello |
| 20:04.51 | icesword | i am having problems with install the new flash player with my browser |
| 20:04.58 | icesword | how to install that |
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| 20:05.12 | guest43242 | is there a command that give the amount of time a HD wasn't accessed? |
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| 20:05.46 | slooth | justinas, thanks again. Bye |
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| 20:23.23 | bvv_ | someone running debian on mvme/ppc ? |
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| 20:33.01 | cybrNaut | are there any javascript unminifier's for debian? |
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| 20:33.39 | cybrNaut | or does everyone just have to trust whatever javascript they run when disabling noscript? |
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| 20:34.39 | jordanm | cybrNaut: chromium |
| 20:35.09 | cybrNaut | jordanm: i'm aware of that one.. but thanks. |
| 20:35.36 | cybrNaut | i might give it a try.. but i'm not generally comfortable with google things |
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| 20:41.14 | brilliant_ | cybrNaut: its my opinion too |
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| 20:45.04 | sharky_ | google is a corporation |
| 20:45.24 | cybrNaut | brilliant_: interestingly enough, the chrome icon is that of a surveillance eye ;) |
| 20:45.39 | cybrNaut | sharky_: that's unfortunate |
| 20:45.42 | sharky_ | and that is what rms says about corporations |
| 20:45.50 | sharky_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.02 | cybrNaut | it's the fact that google is a corporation that motivates it to comply with every government request w/out question |
| 20:46.17 | sharky_ | http://stallman.org/articles/made-for-you.html |
| 20:46.51 | babilen | This discussion might be more appropriate in #debian-offtopic I guess (and we have beer/coffee/tea there) |
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| 20:51.16 | brilliant_ | cybrNaut: yes, the eye is a often used symbolic |
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| 21:01.33 | msn | i am trying to monitor apache2 processes on debian using nagios 4, on centos nagios is able to monitor the httpd process by check_procs but on debian it keeps returning no process even though apache2 is running on the debian host |
| 21:02.41 | kwame | msn: what name are you using in debian? you should be using apache2 instead of httpd |
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| 21:06.28 | msn | i am |
| 21:06.59 | msn | kwame: in debian i am using apache2 but it just says no such process even though i can actually access everything running under apache2 with the web browser |
| 21:07.13 | kwame | msn: and what does the nagios log say? |
| 21:07.19 | kwame | had you tried running the check manually? |
| 21:07.44 | msn | yeah same result |
| 21:07.50 | msn | no process running |
| 21:08.13 | kwame | so that's more of a nagios issue rather than a debian issue |
| 21:08.24 | kwame | can you pastebin your nagios check? |
| 21:08.25 | coobra | :D |
| 21:08.35 | msn | check_procs -w 2:4 -c 1:6 -C apache2 |
| 21:08.36 | msn | PROCS CRITICAL: 0 processes with command name 'apache2' | procs=0;2:4;1:6;0 |
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| 21:08.51 | kwame | that's the output of the manual run |
| 21:08.54 | kwame | I mean the code of it |
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| 21:08.56 | kwame | but pastebin it |
| 21:08.59 | msn | k |
| 21:08.59 | kwame | not here in the channel |
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| 21:09.48 | smeagoll | My system is freezing on startup xen-networked (xcp-xapi) (debian7) |
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| 21:11.13 | kwame | smeagoll: and if you disable xen, does it boot properly? |
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| 21:11.43 | smeagoll | hm |
| 21:11.57 | smeagoll | how to turn off ? |
| 21:12.16 | smeagoll | mv /etc/init.d/xen xen.bkp |
| 21:12.32 | magyar | hi, how can I tell if the iceweasel install on my 64bit os is 64 or 32? |
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| 21:14.00 | kwame | smeagoll: update-rc.d -f xend remove |
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| 21:14.07 | magyar | I can't get webm to playback on iceweasel |
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| 21:14.58 | kwame | magyar: are you running a 64bit kernel? |
| 21:15.10 | magyar | kwame: yes |
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| 21:15.23 | kwame | magyar: dpkk -l iceweasel |
| 21:15.27 | riceandbeans | not including xsetkeymap, how do I set system keymap in debian? |
| 21:15.29 | smeagoll | kwame: Virtualization will work stopping? |
| 21:15.34 | magyar | kwame: 3.10-0.bpo.3-amd64 |
| 21:15.40 | kwame | magyar: there you go |
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| 21:16.03 | kwame | smeagoll: if the system freezes that means that virtualization never works, right? |
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| 21:16.43 | smeagoll | need virtualization |
| 21:16.44 | magyar | kwame: dpkk = dpkg , but it only shows 24.0-1~bpo70+1 |
| 21:17.06 | magyar | and under architecture it shows 64 |
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| 21:17.09 | smeagoll | is not that always freezes kwame |
| 21:17.26 | magyar | now I'm not sure if this is the os or the app architecture |
| 21:17.34 | kwame | magyar: yes, sorry, it was a typo |
| 21:17.37 | kwame | I meant dpkg |
| 21:18.03 | smeagoll | he stops at "Starting xcp-networked" |
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| 21:18.06 | kwame | smeagoll: I get this --> iceweasel 17.0.9esr-1~ amd64 Web browser based on Firefox |
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| 21:18.27 | smeagoll | ? |
| 21:18.53 | magyar | kwame: I get (ii iceweasel 24.0-1~bpo70+1 amd64 Web browser based on Firefox) |
| 21:19.00 | msn | that command should atleast some positive resule |
| 21:19.32 | magyar | kwame: amd64 << is this the OS architecture or app build? |
| 21:19.46 | msn | http://pastebin.ca/2472785 |
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| 21:21.10 | smeagoll | Does anyone use XEN to debian7 |
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| 21:24.14 | babilen | dpkg: anyone |
| 21:24.14 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 21:26.55 | tony_lechner | Hey guys, I followed this handy dandy guide to set up a dovecot/postfix mail server (http://superuser.com/questions/605521/the-simplest-way-to-set-up-a-secure-imap-email-server), and it works for sending, but incoming mails are landing in /var/mail instead of users' maildir boxes at ~/Mail. Any suggestions? |
| 21:27.39 | kwame | smeagoll: I bet there is a lot of people using Xen on debian |
| 21:27.52 | kwame | smeagoll: I personally use KVM, I like it more than Xen |
| 21:28.18 | kwame | magyar: it's app build |
| 21:28.26 | smeagoll | ¡!kwame!¡: debian 7 ? |
| 21:28.58 | kwame | smeagoll: what about it? |
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| 21:29.59 | Matip | Hi guys |
| 21:30.05 | smeagoll | (kwame)~%: http://lists.xen.org/archives/html/xen-api/2012-11/msg00135.html |
| 21:30.26 | Matip | I asked yesterday for a memory problem. it's slow down again now :| |
| 21:31.14 | Matip | have a look please: http://www.apaste.info/jzbx |
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| 21:34.22 | MraMaria | Matip: if you check your processes might probably be more useful |
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| 21:35.17 | Chat7440 | Truuuue |
| 21:35.25 | Chat7440 | What's goin on |
| 21:35.43 | Chat7440 | If u want to make money click this link, get some money just for sitting on your ass!! \\\\ http://youthwealth.com/?myrefcode=1781 |
| 21:35.53 | Chat7440 | Bored |
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| 21:35.59 | Matip | top - 19:29:28 up 3 days, 5:14, 6 users, load average: 3.25, 2.31, 1.45 |
| 21:36.03 | Chat7440 | Really bored |
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| 21:36.09 | Chat7440 | If u want to make money click this link, get some money just for sitting on your ass!! \\\\ http://youthwealth.com/?myrefcode=1781realky works I'm not a bot |
| 21:36.23 | Chat7440 | Omg |
| 21:36.29 | Chat7440 | If u want to make money click this link, get some money just for sitting on your ass!! \\\\ http://youthwealth.com/?myrefcode=1781realky works I'm not a bot |
| 21:36.52 | msn | kwame: found the problem |
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| 21:42.26 | kwame | msn: what was it? |
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| 21:44.29 | msn | kwame: on debian you have to chop the process search to apach |
| 21:44.53 | msn | so check_procs -w 2: -c :6 -C apach returns the results |
| 21:45.06 | msn | if you replace apach with apache or apache2 wont work |
| 21:45.19 | msn | i have no idea why it does that |
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| 21:46.51 | jkr_ | I can't install build-essential package. Please help! |
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| 21:47.07 | jkr_ | root@di:/home/i# apt-get install build-essential Czytanie list pakietów... Gotowe Budowanie drzewa zależności Odczyt informacji o stanie... Gotowe Nie udało się zainstalować niektórych pakietów. Może to oznaczać, że zażądano niemożliwej sytuacji lub użyto dystrybucji niestabilnej, w której niektóre pakiety nie zostały jeszcze utworzone lub przeniesione z katalogu Incoming ("Przychodzące"). Następujące informac |
| 21:47.24 | jkr_ | iety mają niespełnione zależności: build-essential : Wymaga: libc6-dev ale nie zostanie zainstalowany lub libc-dev Wymaga: g++ (>= 4:4.4.3) ale nie zostanie zainstalowany E: Nie udało się naprawić problemów, zatrzymano uszkodzone pakiety. |
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| 21:47.55 | msn | jkr_: use pastebin |
| 21:48.18 | magyar | kwame: so why can't I view webm content? |
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| 21:49.29 | jkr_ | http://pastebin.com/PtXNZ4Kx |
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| 21:50.13 | jkr_ | before that, I add to my stable wheezy Sid repository to install youtube-dl package... but I remove this package and Sid repositories. |
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| 21:57.53 | deadlyninja | im running jessie on a 486-class processor and i get SIGINT errors when i try to run a program developed with C++11 |
| 21:58.07 | deadlyninja | this is using the i386 branch |
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| 21:58.34 | oo_miguel | hi |
| 21:58.51 | oo_miguel | how can i find out the fingerprint of a ssl cert file? |
| 21:59.17 | oo_miguel | oh I think I find out, sorry ;) |
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| 22:02.14 | oo_miguel | ok i found it out indeed |
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| 22:19.43 | jordilopezamat | dear ·#debian community |
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| 22:20.50 | jordilopezamat | how can i setup something like that "iwconfig wlan0 txpower 1mW" persistent at boot for power saving purposes ? thanks for your attention |
| 22:21.10 | syeekick | nice question jordilopezamat |
| 22:21.19 | syeekick | i can't answer though |
| 22:21.24 | jordilopezamat | thanks syeekick |
| 22:21.46 | syeekick | hey guys syee@David:~$ sudo dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/home/syee/backup.img |
| 22:21.46 | syeekick | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.23 | shingouz | jordilopezamat: i think if you do a "man interfaces" you would be able to find the method there |
| 22:22.48 | jordilopezamat | thanks shingouz |
| 22:23.16 | shingouz | syeekick: if clonezilla has dd, yes. cat should work too |
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| 22:23.53 | jordilopezamat | wicd has some nice options there pre- post- connection though... |
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| 22:25.22 | jordilopezamat | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/suse-linux/35503-getting-iwconfig-save-settings.html |
| 22:25.26 | jordilopezamat | :-) |
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| 22:26.15 | shingouz | jordilopezamat: that is for suse and will not work on debian afaik |
| 22:26.20 | jordilopezamat | ummh... for Suse.. :-/ |
| 22:26.27 | jordilopezamat | yep |
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| 22:31.08 | jordilopezamat | "put it in /etc/network/interfaces next to other wlan0 settings, if they're there? See /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian" someone told me here time ago... |
| 22:31.20 | jordilopezamat | let's try.. |
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| 22:34.24 | magyar | I got webm working but I get no sound, plash and other media plays fine |
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| 22:34.43 | magyar | I'm using iceweasel 24 |
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| 22:36.17 | syeekick | alsamixer or pavucontrol from the command line will help you out a bundle |
| 22:36.58 | mrdeb | i dont understand the point of pulseaudio |
| 22:37.05 | mrdeb | it is layer on top of alsamixer, so what is point |
| 22:37.18 | mrdeb | to be pretty or what |
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| 22:40.29 | magyar | syeekick: I only have alsamixer, how is that going to help me. I have sound already working in iceweasel flash and audio playing software |
| 22:40.35 | magyar | ? |
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| 22:41.47 | syeekick | sorry i can't input anymore than that as im a total noob scrub |
| 22:42.08 | magyar | k, thanks |
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| 23:03.44 | mo1991 | mrdeb - pulse allows a lot more flexibility if you have multiple soundcards - I have 3 - and also more flexible in letting you stream several sound streams together. Example I can play music and a game and hear both through the same soundcard. |
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| 23:04.26 | zerick | How could I do relay to another host with Exim ? |
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| 23:10.56 | gizmore | After a safe-upgrade, is it wise to reboot the machine to kick old libs out of the ram? |
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| 23:11.43 | rjsalts | gizmore: you can install the debian-goodies package and run checkrestart to find any process with deleted libraries that are running |
| 23:11.52 | gizmore | nice |
| 23:12.01 | gizmore | that sounds awesome :) |
| 23:12.07 | rjsalts | gizmore: only time you should need a reboot is when the kernel is updated |
| 23:12.12 | gizmore | yep, exactly |
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| 23:12.33 | gizmore | and when you forgot to enable ext3 in your kernel! |
| 23:12.59 | gizmore | which will result in another kernel update, of course. thanks |
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| 23:17.03 | gizmore | rjsalts: may i query you my just created script: /root/auto_update.sh ? ... you might have more suggestions... or may i pastebin here? |
| 23:17.19 | rjsalts | gizmore: sure |
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| 23:17.36 | ryan-c | When building a package from source how do I add a +whatever to the package version? |
| 23:17.57 | gizmore | ryan-c: usually with configure you choose more speicifc options |
| 23:18.09 | C00re | gizmore from efnet? |
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| 23:18.18 | gizmore | C00re: sorry? |
| 23:18.37 | ryan-c | gizmore: what do you mean 'with configure'? |
| 23:18.38 | C00re | ok, not the same guy then :p |
| 23:18.42 | gizmore | C00re: commoder c64 for the winners ;) |
| 23:18.48 | C00re | ah :) |
| 23:19.12 | gizmore | ryan-c: when you compile something from source, you usually do: "untar, configure, make" |
| 23:19.31 | ryan-c | gizmore: I'm building a debian package from source. |
| 23:19.39 | gizmore | ryan-c: with configure you can pass options, sometimes even have to, to set some pathes |
| 23:19.40 | ryan-c | debian/rules binary |
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| 23:22.53 | berarma | ryan-c: I think your can use dch for that, see https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 23:23.05 | ryan-c | berarma: thanks |
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| 23:23.32 | ryan-c | I'm trying to write a script to automate rebuilding exim4 with openssl instead of gnutls |
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| 23:24.50 | berarma | ryan-c: maybe the wiki has more precise intructions to do that, but the backport case is similar |
| 23:25.12 | ryan-c | berarma: It looks like I wand dch -l |
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| 23:27.07 | ryan-c | do you know if there's a dch option to supply the change message on the command line? |
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| 23:32.05 | ryan-c | oh, last argument, got it. |
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| 23:35.24 | syeekick | whats the best virtual machine software for opensource debian? |
| 23:35.53 | ryan-c | syeekick: depends what you want to do |
| 23:36.17 | syeekick | test a bootable flash drive i made |
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| 23:36.50 | ryan-c | You probably want something like virtualbox |
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| 23:55.27 | Mikicacarica | http://gratisbrazzers.blogspot.com/ |
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| 23:57.12 | syeekick | can i ask a noob question? |
| 23:57.41 | syeekick | how to install a pacakge with all dkms. installing a file with every required dependices using apt-get |
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