IRC log for #debian on 20131020

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00:00.14jaamithsnk you thingy , let me check and make full string before i run in terminal
00:01.00linux|newbhmm, I must be missing something really bloomin' easy. I've done apt-get remove gnash and now also aptitude purge gnash* but still it shows: http://paste.debian.net/59662/
00:02.03thingylinux|newb: apt-get --purge remove <package>
00:02.13jaamithingy, i need big favor, plz give exact link of the iso for dell 64bit laptop.
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00:02.46linux|newbthingy: woohoo!
00:02.47themilljaami: do you need wireless working or can you plug in for the installation?
00:02.56linux|newbchecks iceweasel
00:03.21jaamithemill, anything that will work is good
00:03.46thingyjaami: You mentioned you have a copy of the following file: firmware-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso If so, that should be fine for installing on your machine providing its a 64bit computer.
00:04.09linux|newbthingy: grr, still b&w :(
00:04.16jaamiok great, thank you. now i mae string and get back to you
00:04.26jaamimake**
00:04.28thingylinux|newb: hmm am surprised
00:05.06linux|newbdpkg-query -l 'gnash*'
00:05.06linux|newbdpkg-query: no packages found matching gnash*
00:05.27themilljaami: if you can plug in and use ethernet then it's easier -- or use the firmware installer thingy just mentioned and you should be able to use wireless too
00:05.35thingylinux|newb: dpkg-query -l 'browser-plugin-gnash"
00:06.36linux|newbthingy: what'd'you know!
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00:06.48linux|newbun  browser-plugin-gnas <none>                        (no description available)
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00:07.04linux|newbthingy: package is missing an 'h'
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00:08.07jaamithemill, im already confused. let me try one working thing at one time. im following thingy and will ask help from you if that does not wor
00:08.37jaamiwork*** really appriciated thanks
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00:09.37linux|newbthingy: although it still says no candidate to remove
00:09.43linux|newbwith or without an 'h'
00:09.54tp43_anyone can teach me how to do spf(send policy framework) for exim?
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00:12.18thingylinux|newb: Lets try a different way then. In firefox, goto "about:plugins" Do you see gnash listed in there or anything else supporting the "application/x-shockwave-flash" mime type?
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00:12.21reavengreythanks
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00:14.26DANtheBEASTmanI just successfully backported zsh 5 on to stable. I've never used `apt-get source` before, this is amazing. I never realized apt is almost a hybrid binary/source package manager
00:14.46linux|newbthingy: http://paste.debian.net/59664/
00:14.48tp43_when I send email from mutt on my debian exim system to my gmail account, it goes into spam, how can I fix this
00:15.34thingylinux|newb: that looks good. Ok, to confirm the link you are trying to browse is definitely an swf file?
00:15.46jaamithingy, i got command here "dd if=/home/jaami/Downloads/firmware-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=
00:15.47jaami/dev/sdb1  bs=4M; sync"
00:15.55linux|newbthingy: it's a live video stream
00:16.14jaamithingy, plz make corrections if needed
00:16.26rryoumaahow do you backport and keep up with security issues?
00:16.29linux|newbthingy: if I right click, I get your standard flash context menu
00:17.24thingyjaami: to double check that /dev/sdb1 is indeed you usb disk...please tail -f /var/log/dmesg and then remove/attach the usb device. if it shows you sdb one in the messages being tailed then we are sure that you are correct in using sdb1
00:17.54jaamiok, i try
00:18.32thingylinux|newb: ok, is it possible that the remote site is giving you different content based on your browser's useragent string. See how to fiddle with the user agent via: http://www.geticeweasel.org/useragent/
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00:20.02thingytp43_: may I priv msg you?
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00:20.12tp43_thiagoss, sure
00:20.21reavengreyviagra 4 sale
00:20.22tp43_thingy, sure
00:21.28jaamithingy, tail: cannot open `/var/log/dmesg' for reading: No such file or directory
00:21.44jaamithingy, im on f17
00:21.59thingyjaami: ack umm is there a file called /var/log/messages  ?
00:22.15jaamiyes file is there
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00:24.01thingyjaami: ok use that file then and then same instructions
00:24.21jaamithingy, it worked Oct 19 20:23:20 localhost udisksd[1190]: Mounted /dev/sdb1 at /run/media/jaami/LIVE on behalf of uid 1000
00:25.03linux|newbthingy: nope, not that either.
00:25.05linux|newbd'oh
00:25.15linux|newbthingy: that's cool though
00:25.28jorianif anyone has a sec, any ideas on getting an intel wifi card to show up in wicd?
00:26.18jorianthis was basically a minimal install that i installed xfce4 xfce4-goodies gdm3 on so far
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00:27.03thingylinux|newb: the only other thing I can think off is that some hardware acceleration is causing the video to appear monochrome
00:27.04linux|newbjorian: firmware-linux-nonfree ?
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00:27.29jorianinstall that package?
00:27.41linux|newbjorian: you haven't already?
00:27.44Yoshi11themill: are you sure http.debian.net and not hrtp.us.debian.net?
00:27.51jorianlet me check
00:28.13themillYoshi11: yes
00:28.17jaamithingy, i dont see prompt in terminal
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00:28.26joriani didn't see nonfree when doing an apt-cache search
00:28.35jorianbut i'm installing firmware-linux-free now
00:28.44linux|newbjorian: cool
00:28.59jaamiloo like tail command is still running
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00:29.22linux|newbthingy: thanks for your help, man. I'm gonna go to bed, and think about it some more tomorrow. I can just use the site in chrome and it's all right, but it's frustrating that it doesn't work in iceweasel, y'know!?
00:29.37jorianok that's installed
00:29.50linux|newbjorian: quick and dirty sudo reboot
00:29.54jorianhehehe
00:29.55joriangood call
00:29.57jorianlet me try
00:29.57jaamithingy, im running this "dd if=/home/jaami/Downloads/firmware-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb1  bs=4M; sync"
00:29.57jorianbrb
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00:31.49jorianno dice :(
00:31.54linux|newbjorian: bugger.
00:32.12linux|newbspecifically what card?
00:32.19jaamithingy, here is result 247463936 bytes (247 MB) copied, 0.798097 s, 310 MB/s
00:32.21jorian[    4.507932] Intel(R) Wireless WiFi driver for Linux, in-tree:
00:32.26jorianthat's what dmesg pops out
00:32.37jorianwhen I grep on wireless
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00:33.39jorianlooks like Wireless-N 2230
00:33.42jorianaccording lspci
00:33.47thingyjaami: great, you usb pen drive is ready
00:33.51thingyyou can now boot off it
00:34.03linux|newbjorian: sorry, bro - I'm out.
00:34.07jorianheheh
00:34.08jorianno worries
00:34.10jorianthanks for the advice
00:34.27linux|newbnp - worth having the package nonetheless
00:34.36joriannod
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00:35.33jaamithingy, those filles on usb have names in junk letters. is that ok? and should i reboot system and bot it from usb now?
00:35.49jaamiboot?
00:36.11jaamithingy, what is next step?
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00:37.41jaamithingy, sorry missed last msg. im booting system from usb
00:37.42thingyjaami: yes try rebooting
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00:38.37grimetondamn hiccup
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00:42.10greenhornI want to download Debian Wheezy Stable ISO but do not know which file to download, there is a list of 8 cd images 1-8 in the parent directory, do i need all 8 cds? New to debian.
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00:42.43grimetongreenhorn: the first one will be fine
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00:43.04greenhornThank you grimeton
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00:46.58Yoshi11hmmm dist upgrade almost done guess i should prep for reboot
00:47.56rryoumaathere is something i don't get.  we are supposed to use backports instead of mixing suites, but then you don't get any security updates.  for example, iceweasel-tabmixplus does not work with iceweasel, but the jessie version does.  but suppose a security bug is discovered in it?
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00:50.05grimetonrryoumaa: shit happens
00:50.16rryoumaahuh
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00:50.40themillrryoumaa: iceweasel is proving quite problematic in general. Getting extensions directly from mozilla.org seems to be a better way of doing it in any case.
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00:50.59grimetonbrowser -> uzbl
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00:52.11rryoumaathemill: i was hoping to be able to trust the quality and security of only debian, instead of debian + mozilla.org, especially given that debian has signed packages etc.
00:52.49demoorianbtw: is there an estimated eta for next chromium stable release in wheezy/
00:53.26themillrryoumaa: You're downloading the XPIs over https in just the same way as the debian maintainer. You could always request extra packages be backported, of course
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00:54.30jaamii have bootable usb with debian but on boot i see black screen and pointer blinking in corner. debiaan did not install. not sure what to do next. can someone help?
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00:55.48rryoumaathere's a place to request backports?  i guess that's the bug tracker.  in any case i figure the debian maintainer downloads it /once/ and a lot of people look at the code, while if it's from mozilla.org, lots of people download potentially different versions of it.
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00:56.44grimetonrryoumaa: i don't think even one person really looks at the code
00:57.10themillgrimeton: untrue
00:57.11jeepjaami: i think you messed up the usb stick
00:57.19themillrryoumaa: on the backports mailing list
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00:57.54jaamijeep, let me format disk and run this command again "dd if=/home/jaami/Downloads/firmware-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb1  bs=4M; sync"
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00:58.06jaamijeep, can you help me to install debian?
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00:58.27DoYouNowhat's a good dpkg editor?
00:58.30DoYouNo.deb file
00:58.32DoYouNogui
00:58.47DoYouNofor viewing the scripts, etc
00:59.13houkenhelp...how to config font of specific application?
00:59.22themillDoYouNo: mc (or extract them into a directory using dpkg-deb)
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00:59.31houkenfound font management a total mess...
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00:59.36themillDoYouNo: also viewer ≠ editor
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01:00.19DoYouNowell, a viewer would be fine. I'm looking for something user friendly that will atleast provide me some input on whether rpms were converted correctly to .deb using alien
01:02.05themillDoYouNo: the best assumption would be that they are not converted. What are you trying to achieve here?
01:02.44jaamithemill, i need help to install debian
01:02.45jeepDoYouNo: its way better to use .debs or build .debs yourself
01:03.10jeepjaami: you need to get a good usb stick or burn an .iso got a cd burner ?
01:03.33jaamiusb is good,
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01:04.10jeepjaami: i mean good as in the installer is booting from it properly
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01:05.09jaamii think i should format usb and again prepare it for install
01:05.15jaamilol
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01:06.39jaamiwhat does this mean? Error creating file system: Command-line `mkfs.ext4 -F -L "usb" "/dev/sdb1"' exited with non-zero exit status 1: mke2fs 1.42 (29-Nov-2011)
01:06.40jaami/dev/sdb1 is mounted; will not make a filesystem here!
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01:07.41jaamishould i not try to install debian becuase i have fedora?
01:09.32demoorian_jaami: when you do a ss (aka disk dump) it is not essential at all what file system whas on that stick before
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01:09.46demoorian_s(ss dd
01:09.59jaamii want to format usb
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01:10.48jetscreamerwhy would i be getting E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
01:10.54IsoLinCHiPHi, anyone by a chance know where I can find a netboot iso, that allows loopback mounting ISO images? I recently saw a debian installer that had that option but I dont have the file anymore
01:10.58demoorian_you*re on fd17? you will have gpartes as gui
01:11.08demoorian_gparted
01:11.58jetscreameri just booted this box, started kde, and tried to apt-get update, got that. jessie.
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01:12.11jetscreamerand that's as root
01:12.18jetscreameras well as sudo
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01:12.43jaamii was able to format usb this time.
01:12.59jaamiplease once again i need help to install debian
01:13.17jaamiits been 4 days trying
01:13.21jaamilol
01:13.28jaamisadly funny
01:13.52jetscreamerdon't use the hybrid image
01:13.57jaamiok
01:14.03jaamiwhat i should use
01:14.06jeepjaami: does the installer boot and run ?
01:14.13jaamino
01:14.22jetscreamertry the non-hybrid worked for me, not sure what your problem is though
01:14.25jaaminot at all,
01:14.44jaamiproblem is always a bad iso
01:14.45jetscreamerthat was a while ago as well
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01:15.02demoorian_you read the dile i posted before (was for eepc...)
01:15.06demoorian_file
01:15.24Cyltato compile a game I need an SDL package, "checking for SDL... configure: error: Package requirements (sdl >= 1.2) were not met:" - what the name of package it may be?
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01:15.24jeepjaami: since you are failing anyway .. try unetbootin it may fail also but then again it may work for you ;)
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01:15.45jaamiokay, i try unetbootin
01:15.52jaamibut with same image?
01:15.53jetscreamerapt-cache search sdl or something like that maybe
01:16.06jetscreameryou might wanna tweak that search term
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01:16.11jaamifirmware-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso
01:16.26demoorian_did you check the image (md5/sha)?
01:16.31jetscreameryou can check pdo also
01:16.41jaamino, i did not check, i just downloaded it
01:16.49jaamihmm
01:16.53jaamii can follow steps
01:16.56jeepwhy are you using the firmware iso again for your wireless nic ?
01:17.07jaamii was told to use that
01:17.17jaamiprobably there was some wlan issue
01:17.24jaamibut my wifi is working fine
01:17.30jaamiim not sure
01:17.40jaamiwhat the hell is going on
01:17.50jeepjaami: if your wifi works then dont use that one
01:17.57jaamiokay great
01:18.00jaamihelp me then
01:18.06jeepjaami: anything else not working you can fix after install finishes
01:18.07jaamiwhat i need to do
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01:18.49jaamiwhat iso i need
01:18.56jaamigive me link
01:19.11jeephttp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso
01:19.14jaamii have dell64bit laptop
01:19.22jaamioksy
01:19.45jeepjaami: install that iso to your usb stick with unetbooting and see if the computer will boot
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01:20.02jaamiok, jeep will you help me untill i get debian working on my system or leave me alone playing with install?
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01:20.33jeepjaami: im going for food be back in like 15 minutes after that i can help for like 4 hours
01:20.48jaamigreat. i start downloading
01:20.54jaamithank you
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01:23.52jaamican someone tell me good gui download manager?
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01:24.42jaamiwhat download manager is good ?
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01:30.21michaudsI've never personnaly used them, but I've heard that multiget and uGet are both good.
01:30.25LtLjaami: i've always used iceweasel, and check md5sums after the d/l completes
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01:41.36gagagruauI have a question about debian live image
01:41.58gagagruauif I download the "debian-live-7.2-...-rescue" iso
01:42.00gagagruauand boot from it
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01:42.13gagagruauwill I be able to "install" nbd-server
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01:42.33gagagruaumy ultimate goal is just running nbd-server from a live cd
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01:42.46gagagruauwill I be able to do so with debian live ?
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01:47.31jeepjaami: what operating system is the computer your using on ?
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01:51.12jaamijeep, its fedora17 on dell 64bit laptop
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01:51.40jaamii was looking for a download manager because i think browser is problem
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01:52.00jaamii thing wget will work if its good
01:52.15LtLjaami: you should be able to click on the link from any browser and get it
01:52.39bazhangjaami, both #ubuntu and #debian recommend wget
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01:53.07jaamiyes, right.. every time in the end i face some problem. i want to make sure i use right tools
01:53.08bazhangjaami, which are you on?
01:53.30jaamiim on fed17
01:53.36bazhangfedora?
01:53.40jeepjaami: internet explorer is only browser that cant download a .iso correctly
01:54.04bazhang#fedora for fedora support jaami
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01:54.35jaamiokay, i use ffox to download  the iso now. btw ffox work god for all other type of files
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01:54.41DarylXianHi.  I'm running a 'raspbian' (debian wheezy on raspberry pi) instance.  I'm seeing an IPv6-triggered kernel-panic in its 3.6.11 kernel that was id'd and, supposedly, fixed for 3.4.x kernel (@ lkml).  Where do I report the issue?  Raspbian, Debian or kernel?
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01:55.02jaamibazhang, thanks, but im here untill i get debian installed
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01:57.11jeepDarylXian: can you build your own kernel ?
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01:57.45DarylXianjeep For Debain/Raspbian on arm?  Not yet ...
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01:58.43jaamijeep, download need 30m to complete. i will go eat food meanwhile and come back
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01:59.46tp43_I have www.mydomain.com working but not mydomain.com, what could be the issue, my domain name registration dns setup.  I have apache setup with alias for mydomain.com
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02:04.05ctmjrDarkalia: there is a #raspbian channel they might be able to answer your question
02:04.08elb0wdoes apt-get -f install install all .deb's in the current directory?
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02:06.18SOUL_OF_R00Tnice night guys hello to all :)
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02:08.57jeepelb0w: no apt-get install *.deb will though
02:09.52sqrollokhi, I try to configure my static routing using /etc/network/interfaces    in the paste are the two commands that make it work, and the configuration that does not work. what is wrong? http://pastebin.com/NikFyD5y
02:09.59rwpelb0w, jeep, try 'dpkg -i *.deb' instead of apt-get install.
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02:10.41rwpelb0w, 'apt-get -f install' will install any needed dependencies *after* a 'dpkg -i foo.deb' installation though.  Very useful for that.
02:10.43jeeprwp: yes thats the one
02:10.53jeephad a brain fart
02:11.02rwphas those all of the time.
02:11.41rwpAmazingly apt4rpm has added that apt-get install ./file.deb capability.  But that is for foreign rpm based systems that use apt4rpm.
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02:54.58jaamijeep, restarting to see if debian setup starts from usb. used unetbootin
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02:55.49jaamijeep, im still here and wont sleep untill debian is installed :)
02:56.41abrotmanunetbootin doesn't always work, shouldn't be used
02:57.00kaiten4Hello, I have a strange problem. I have a radeon 7770, and over the past six months, I've tried to install debian testing/stable. Everything goes fine until I try to use the 3D capabilities of the card. Usually it would just fail, but it completely bricks the system. Nothing at all displays once I try to use 3D, not even the framebuffer. Grub is the only thing that seems to be unaffected by this. Any clue what forces might be at
02:57.06dvswin32diskimage
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03:00.55freebirD2you guys, after upgrading from squeezy to ]wheezy, I can't login to mysql, even after allowing no passwords in config.inc.php
03:01.17freebirD2what should I do please
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03:02.10grimetonfreebirD2: ehm, mysql and - i assume - mysqladmin are two different things
03:02.57freebirD2grimeton, can't log in to both man
03:03.01freebirD2mysql -u root -p
03:03.06freebirD2wont work with the old password
03:03.08grimetonfreebirD2: any error message?
03:03.18freebirD2grimeton, the socket error
03:03.32grimetonfreebirD2: is mysql running?
03:03.39kaiten4So I'm going to have to try to chroot into this install, and install propreitary fglrx drivers for X, but how do I get the framebuffer back? how can I tell the framebuffer to use generic VGA?
03:03.44grimetonif you get a socket error it sounds like it's not running
03:03.46freebirD2grimeton, no, it wont login
03:04.02freebirD2grimeton, should run without loging in ?
03:04.03grimetonfreebirD2: check if mysql is running
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03:04.36freebirD2ps -aux  | grep mysql ??
03:04.48freebirD2grimeton,
03:05.00grimetonyeah
03:05.11jaamijeep, you are with me?
03:05.15freebirD2shows root 6789 0.0 ....
03:05.18freebirD2grimeton,
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03:05.46jeepjaami: no im over here did it boot ?
03:05.56grimetonfreebirD2: the question is, if there is a mysqld listet or not
03:06.23freebirD2it lists this, but if I do ps -aux | grep shit
03:06.25jaamijeep, usb boot was ok and debian setup started fine. but at the staage where cd rom is checked it gave error and stoped setup
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03:06.35freebirD2also shows something,m so I think it's not
03:06.45freebirD2what's the correct ps way to verify that ?
03:06.51grimetonfreebirD2: service mysqld start
03:06.56grimetonfreebirD2: try this
03:07.02jaamijeep, look like setup was looking for bootfiles from cd-rom
03:07.07grimetonif the service is unknown, try service mysql start
03:07.20freebirD2goes to the next line but shows nothing
03:07.22freebirD2no errors
03:07.25jeepjaami: thats a unetbootin screw up most likely .. try remaking the usb stick again
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03:07.29freebirD2grimeton,
03:07.33grimetonfreebirD2: check if it is working now
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03:07.42freebirD2same return in ps
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03:07.43jaamijeep, i make usb again
03:07.44freebirD2grimeton,
03:07.48grimetonfreebirD2: login?
03:08.21freebirD2grimeton, no
03:08.28freebirD2socket erros
03:08.43grimetonfreebirD2: hm, you should check the logs for errors, something is wrong
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03:09.00freebirD2wowww
03:09.08freebirD2grimeton, I'm installing it now, lool
03:09.12freebirD2wasn't installed
03:09.25freebirD2I'm glad I make a backup from my database
03:09.26Pedro_CisnerosThe Crowd Chants: PEDRO PEDRO PEDRO! PEDRO PEDRO PEDRO! Pedro Pedro Pedro! PEDRO! PEDRO! PEDRO! Pedro Pedro Pedro! PEDRO! PEDRO! PEDRO!
03:09.29themilljaami: I think that's the exact failure mode of unetbootin I described to you about 5 hours ago when I told you *not* to use unetbootin, isn't it?
03:09.30Pedro_CisnerosPEDRO PEDRO PEDRO! PEDRO PEDRO PEDRO! Pedro Pedro Pedro! PEDRO! PEDRO! PEDRO! Go Pedro! PEDRO! PEDRO! PEDRO! PEDRO! PEDRO! PEDRO! PEDRO! PEDRO! PEDRO!
03:09.34Pedro_CisnerosThe Crowd Continues to Chant- PEDRO PEDRO PEDRO! PEDRO PEDRO PEDRO! PEDRO PEDRO PEDRO! PEDRO PEDRO PEDRO! PEDRO PEDRO PEDRO! Pedro! PEDRO! Pedro! Pedro! Pedro! Pedro! PEDRO! Pedro!
03:09.37dvsjaami: don't  make it with unetbootin again.
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03:09.39Pedro_CisnerosPedro is rocking the crowd! PEDRO! GO PEDRO! Pedro is making the ground shake since the crowd is going wild for him! PEDRO! PEDRO! PEDRO! PEDRO! PEDRO! It's so loud! PEDRO! PEDRO! PEDRO! PPEEDDRROO!!!
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03:13.37jaamicould you please see why this error is shown on start of unetbootin http://dpaste.com/1423004/
03:14.22dvsjaami: because we don't recommend unetbootin?
03:14.25themilljaami: remember how you weren't using unetbootin?
03:14.32jaamiright boss
03:14.35jaamibosses
03:15.12jaamiplz let me know what is the best way to make usb live for debian
03:15.19dvswin32diskimage
03:15.28jaamiwin32?
03:15.35jaamiim on fed17 boss
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03:15.43dvsthen dd
03:15.49jaamiah dd
03:15.49kaiten4it seems the radeon series starting with 77xx are a different architecture than the rest of the 7xxx series, thus not supported by radeon or radeonhd drivers.  little ambiguity there. I still don't understand why it bricked my install, when it was working fine in 2D until I tried to run 3D.
03:16.28jaamiokay, im using dd now
03:16.45kaiten4Everytime I try to use win32diskimage or unetbooten, it always tells me it can't find the cdrom, and I have to make a manual symlink from the usb device to /cdrom
03:18.41dvskaiten4: the cdrom should be on the USB drive as well.
03:19.36kaiten4as in the .iso?
03:20.02dvsyes
03:20.13kaiten4Anybody want to trade me a shitty nvidia for an even shittier radeon? pls
03:20.30jaamijeep, this is the command that im using this time and it should work "dd if=/home/jaami/Downloads/debian-7.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb1  bs=4M; sync"
03:20.40dvsnope
03:20.42kaiten4I see, thanks. Could have helped me earlier today haha. Had to dig through the closet for a cdrom burner
03:20.47dvsof=dev/sdb
03:20.54dvsof=/dev/sdb
03:21.08jaamidvs the usb is in sdb1
03:21.21dvswont work
03:21.30kaiten4you're not writing to the partition, you're writing to the disk
03:21.38jaamiok dvs , i use sdb
03:21.41kaiten4no partition = no partition number
03:21.42dvsjaami: it has to take over the entire USB
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03:21.55jaamioh okay, yuo know well
03:22.35jaamidvs, ok, i understand now
03:23.41kaiten4Can someone give me a quick rundown on how to fully chroot into a debian system including proc/ and all that virtual stuff? Not like installing fglrx is going to work anyways, and I'll probably slit my throat by the end of the night
03:24.42jaamijeep, dd is real fast or what "232783872 bytes (233 MB) copied, 0.585358 s, 398 MB/s"
03:25.16kaiten4it's probably still emptying it's buffer, let it sit for another 60 seconds
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03:26.29jaamishould i boot system?
03:26.54LtLjaami: type sync first
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03:27.06dvsLtL: not necessary for dd
03:27.23LtLdvs: ok, just to be safe?
03:27.44grimetonsync flushes the filesystem buffers
03:27.51grimetonno filesystem, no buffer
03:27.54dvsso does dd
03:28.02gnarfacehmm. actually this caught me recently
03:28.08gnarfacei thought dd would never need sync after
03:28.16gnarfacebut then i tried to dd a 32gb image  to something
03:28.21grimetonagain: sync flushed the FILESYSTEM buffers
03:28.27gnarfaceand sure enough it said "finished" in like 20 seconds
03:29.00kaiten4he had a sync after his initial command anyways
03:29.01gnarfacethen i ran sync and the regular 2 hours or whatever passed before i got a command-prompt back
03:29.14gnarfacebut i'd really like to know why that changed
03:29.21gnarfacedd should not have ever needed or been required to sync
03:29.37gnarfaceas i understand it, it should NEVER have been subject to that type of filesystem caching
03:29.51gnarfaceand this has changed recently (as of recent sid this year)
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03:30.03gnarfacebut i know it happened elsewhere earlier
03:30.20gnarfacebecause i was getting what i believed to be completely erroneous advice about sync as early as 2 years ago
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03:31.00freebirD2grimeton, wasn't installed, curiously it was uninstalled while upgrading
03:31.05freebirD2grimeton, tks for all
03:31.44jaamihmm, is that ok for me or i have to run dd again?
03:32.15jeepjaami: try botting from it
03:32.24jaamijeep, ok
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03:38.35kaiten4What's the best way to chroot into a broken debian system? LiveCD? Last I heard the major kernel and bash versions had to match?  Can I reasonably do this from the install CD?
03:39.18jeepKaimei: the lice cd should work
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03:40.21kaiten4stable LiveCD > Testing install, should be alright then?
03:41.08kaiten4Hey I never tried the debian live installer, heh. Is it good? If it is I'll just get the DVD
03:41.38kaiten4just a gnome enviro with the proper recovery utilities is fine also
03:41.46jeepi dont think i ever used it i always use the netinst iso's
03:41.46gnarfacekaiten4: the *best* way is to chroot into the drive after reconnecting it to a working (but otherwise identical) debian system.
03:42.02gnarfacekaiten4: in general though you just have to be "close enough" on the kernel version
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03:46.21kaiten4From stable LiveCD it looks like linux-image 3.2, to jessie linux-image 3.10, sounds close enough
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03:49.12paxcoderhello. can't log into X. I see the cursor, but not the login form or anything else, the background seems to be whatever is left over from the graphic buffer from the previous tty i was on (i hope i make sense)
03:49.22gnarfacekaiten4: should be fine if all you need to do is mount it and change the root password or fix your fstab or such
03:49.58gnarfacekaiten4: mounting it to say, benchmark wow through wine may be problematic
03:50.26jeeppaxcoder: alt control f2 get you a shell ?
03:50.43paxcoderjeep: yes, i'm writing from one
03:50.54gnarfacepaxcoder: you're not using a raspberry pi and just exited omxplayer while in X, were you?
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03:51.09kaiten4gnarface: I need compile fglrx because my debian install will not even display basic framebuffer with my card
03:51.17jeepsoo many people with rasberry maybe i should get one too
03:51.27paxcodergnarface: no, i just turned on the pc
03:52.04paxcoderjeep: nah, get something more free, or more interesting
03:52.12kaiten4I also need to downgrade xorg-xserver from 1.14 to 1.13
03:52.26paxcoderkaiten4: how would you do that?
03:52.34kaiten4paxcoder: no clue
03:52.43gnarfacejeep: you *should* from an academic standpoint "get into" arm micro pc hardware, but the raspberry pi is only interesting in that its got a kickass (comparatively) video card and raspbian is more or less otherwise the least "derivative" debian derivative
03:53.07paxcoderjeep: basically if i switch with ctrl+alt+f7 i'll see this chat of ours as a background image, and a mouse on it
03:53.19gnarfacejeep: i hear though that the beagleboard, despite having a shitty video card, is completely open hardware (raspbian still requires non-free closed binary drivers as well as firmware)
03:53.35kaiten4probably install the packages from stable? ugh what a headache, I think it's time I just reinstall with stable. But I spent two hours downloading packages for this testing install and now it's completely fucked.
03:54.21jeeppaxcoder: can you run another x server tty3 or whatever login and  startx -- :2
03:55.32paxcoderjeep: i use gdm3. so now i tried to restart it, now i have the mouse pointere everywhere. on each tty including this one
03:55.43paxcoderjeep: still no other graphics
03:55.47kaiten4Check out MarsBoard: MarsBoard is a powerful, hackable Android / Linux PC. Ethernet, 3D acceleration More importantly, it is very cheap, only $49.99 including worldwide shipping.
03:56.04jeeppaxcoder:  what video card is it ?
03:56.23paxcoderjeep: an old radeon with free drivers
03:56.34paxcoderworked yesterday. i did a full install though
03:56.42paxcoder*full update
03:57.19kaiten4I'm using a new radeon, it crippled my system. fuck amd.
03:57.48jeeppaxcoder: im gonna venture the driver got uninstalled during the upgrade maybe ?
03:58.02gnarfacei honestly think amd's heart is in the right place, as much as any corporation can have a "heart"
03:58.06kaiten4is there a way to specify what driver module the linux framebuffer uses? Like standard "vga"?
03:58.10paxcoderjeep: but how do you explain the mouse then?
03:58.12gnarfacei think amd is the one that's crippled
03:58.27gnarfacelegal requirements restricting them from releasing the good drivers or something
03:58.34paxcoderjeep: it seems to me to mean that X is on, just that gdm3 isn't displayed
03:58.40kaiten4If I can just get to the command prompt without a chroot, things will go a lot more smoothely
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03:59.07jeeppaxcoder: did you try the startx -- :2 that skips gdm
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04:01.33paxcoderdpkg -s says xserver-xorg-video-radeon is installed
04:01.34dpkgThere is no record of a says xserver-xorg-video-radeon is installed package
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04:05.32pxr09anyone have any ideas why firefox seems to take so long to start up on my debian system? i don't have much ram but it still should not take 10-15 seconds.
04:07.29jeeppxr09: iceweasel starts in like 3 seconds for me
04:07.50Rusty1pxr09:  have you started it from a terminal to see if there's anything happening whilst it starts
04:08.28pxr09no, good idea rusty. i'm started it now
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04:08.57pxr09it took about as long as it usually does and gave this message: (firefox:6481): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap",
04:09.23MGMTcan anyone recommend a good lightweight version of debian for netbooks?  right now i'm using peppermint os cli only, I'm probably going to go pure cli
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04:09.33paxcoderpxr09: he thought that was what made it slow. the gtk warning is harmless
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04:09.56pxr09ah, ok
04:10.05dvsMGMT: Debian
04:10.08grimetonpxr09: mozarella sometimes starts within 0.5 secs and sometimes it takes ages - depending on the fs cache
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04:10.27pxr09could it be because i use bleachbit?
04:10.36MGMTdvs: is there a light version of debian without x?
04:10.44themillMGMT: just don't install X
04:10.57dvsMGMT: Yeah, dont install "Desktop Environment"
04:11.01Rusty1pxr09:  in a separate terminal: top, hows the memory doing?
04:11.02jeepMGMT: use expert install only install what you want
04:11.05paxcoderMGMT: you deselect desktop environment
04:11.08kaiten4So is it sane to be able to downgrade xserver-xorg one minor version? Is it going to be an involved process?
04:11.26MGMTwhat will I need to make sure wireless works?
04:11.31jeepkaiten4: why downgrade ?
04:11.35themillMGMT: debian doesn't need to produce different releases for different uses -- it's just a matter of installing or not some of the packages.
04:11.45themillMGMT: what wireless chip do you have?
04:11.46kaiten4I am thinking of adding stable sources, the force-version on xerserver-xorg, then apt-get reinstall xorg-xserver. Will this work?
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04:12.07paxcoderkaiten4: i wouldn't bet on it
04:12.22MGMTthemill: AR9285 atheros
04:12.24pxr09can you really go pure CLI though? no graphical internet browser?
04:12.36MGMTpxr09: I am right now
04:12.42kaiten4jeep, the open source ati/radeon/radeonhd drivers will not allow my system to boot, and I need to compile propretiary fglrx drivers, which only work with xorg 1.13 at the latest, I'm using 1.14
04:12.51pxr09what do you use to browse the web? or do you not
04:12.52themillMGMT: the wheezy installer should support that just fine.
04:13.06MGMTpxr09: elinks
04:13.27MGMTpxr09: this is a code/writing only netbook... I find the wm is too bulky on a netbook
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04:13.46pxr09never heard anyone call a wm bulky before
04:13.51MGMTpxr09: runs slow and you cant see stuff well in the browser anyways
04:14.11paxcodermakes some sense to me.
04:14.17pxr09does elinks just load the text from webpages then?
04:14.20grimetonfor real: give me a framebuffer with uzbl in tmux on my 30 inch screen and i'll throw away any windowmanager and X
04:14.31paxcoderwell, netbooks don't. but if you have one, then this does.
04:14.33jeepMGMT: the power of using x is you can have 20 xterms open pretty easy
04:14.34MGMTpxr09: yeah, basically just html, no css or anything
04:14.54MGMTjeep: or I can use tmux and have as many as I want open even easier
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04:15.12michaudsMGMT: what about WMs like "awesome"
04:15.57paxcoderwonders what made awesome so much more popular than other tilers
04:15.59kaiten4You know what? Fuck it. I'm just going to install stable from this LiveCD. How many packages does the LiveCD have to grab from the server? I spent two hours today installing a new jessie system.
04:16.16MGMTmichauds: never used awesome.  I run xfce4 at work and idk how I feel about switching it up lol
04:16.20kaiten4At least I got a lot of cleaning done in those two hours.
04:16.24grimetonpaxcoder: the 100% keyboard management
04:16.38grimetonpaxcoder: it turns X into a tmux GUI
04:17.11MGMTgrimeton: really?  hmmm might have to look into that
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04:17.17grimetonMGMT: yes
04:17.32jeepkaiten4: should be a working system .. usable while you update
04:17.32MGMTI don't like using my mouse.  I use vim and either tmux or screen usually
04:17.35grimetoni've usually used fluxbox, but it's not that scriptable as awesome is
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04:18.24MGMTgrimeton: do you know if awesome is a package you can select when installing debian? or will I have to pull it after
04:18.26pxr09i'll sound like a heretic for saying this but i just can't get used to terminal text-editors. so much slower than using gedit for me.
04:18.37grimetonMGMT: you'll have to pull it after
04:18.55grand_gruntHi. I am using Debian sid, and have a "unable to locate a file.." issue with every package I try to upgrade/reinstall/install/remove, using aptitude.
04:19.20MGMTswitches to other laptop to check it out on youtube
04:19.37grand_gruntI can remove a single package with "dpkg -r --force-all" and I tried to pass Dpkg::Options::='--force-all' option to aptitude but it keeps complaining about missing files.
04:19.51kaiten4Thanks jeep, that helps
04:20.02themillgrand_grunt: can you pastebin the entire output of your aptitude run
04:20.03grimetongrand_grunt: can you paste an error message to a paste service?
04:20.06grand_gruntHow can I tell aptitude to just take the new packages with new files and push them, without regards
04:20.18grand_gruntthemill: grimeton : yes, but that's in french. Will paste.
04:20.34grimetonexport LC_ALL=C; export LANG=C
04:20.57MGMTthemill: is there a generic wireless package or will there be one that says atheros?
04:22.02jeepMGMT: ath9k is what you need probably
04:22.09themillMGMT: you'll want tools like wpasupplicant installed so that you can connect to the wireless network. The driver is in-kernel. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
04:22.51paxcodermy 2 last non-zero bytes gdm3 logs: http://paste.debian.net/59697 http://paste.debian.net/59698 - any ideas why gdm3 won't be drawn?
04:23.30grimetonwho was the one asking for the minimum debian install?
04:23.32MGMTshould I network install or grab the full cd?
04:23.37MGMTgrimeton: me
04:23.42MGMTi think
04:23.44grand_gruntthemill: grimeton http://paste.geeknode.org/?0e9aff28dbfcf363#4NOm4nnR8sb8JAzCzBORHoNjHu7VO5XpGtBIEOm1mKo=
04:23.55grimetonMGMT: get a netinstall cd and install from it without network connection. that's the absoloute minimum you can get
04:23.59themillMGMT: most of CD1 is gnome and X that you don't want.
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04:24.22MGMTgrimeton: will the netinstall have the atheros drivers for wireless?
04:24.31grimetonMGMT: no, don't think so
04:24.31pxr09if i have a laptop with windows and no cd/usb drive can i install debian on it using the netinstall and get it to dual boot?
04:24.50themillMGMT: yes should do
04:24.53grimetonpxr09: the iso images are hybrid, just write them directly to an usb drive and boot from it
04:25.17MGMTgrimeton: if I plug in a ethernet cable though I should be able to apt-get em right?
04:25.23grimetonMGMT: yes
04:25.27MGMTok.
04:25.36themill(they're on the cd....)
04:25.38pxr09never understood what hybrid meant
04:26.03MGMTthemill: the netinstall one?
04:26.07themillyes
04:26.08grimetonpxr09: hybrid means that the boot sector is able to boot from cd/dvd and from a block device like an usb thumbdrive
04:26.11MGMToh, ok
04:26.15MGMTeven easier lol
04:26.33MGMTis super pumped, but super tired
04:26.45paxcoderhttp://paste.debian.net/59701 - here's the X log, is it faulty xorg.conf?
04:26.53themillgrand_grunt: what happens if you use "dpkg -i " on the .deb?
04:27.08themillgrand_grunt: also, do you know what led to this behaviour?
04:27.15paxcoderit is displaying in full resolution, so... and there's the mouse suggesting it's running X
04:27.28MGMTI'm mainly doing this b/c I'm running peppermint os and got a Failed to connect socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory and cant get it to stop
04:27.36pxr09grimeton, if i download the iso onto the windows machine, how can i write it to the usb?
04:28.01pxr09i was hoping to do it without usb since i don't have one over 1 gig
04:28.03grimetonpxr09: depends on the utilities you have on your machine, got dd on windows running inside cygwin?
04:28.19paxcoderpxr09: mini.iso is a few meg (netinstall)
04:28.28grand_gruntthemill: Not sure what led to this, there was another wanabee sysadmin before the one I am.
04:28.29grimetonyeah the netinst iso has 200mb or so
04:28.29dvspxr09: win32diskimage
04:28.36MGMTpxr09: use unetbootin
04:28.38paxcoderbut i don't know how you'd write directly to a stick from windows
04:28.40grimetonpxr09: or use win32diskimage
04:28.51grimetonyou can also boot the iso image from a fat32 partition with isolinux
04:28.52dvsMGMT: no
04:28.59pxr09and there will be options to create a dual-boot system? i don't want to wipe out their windows install
04:29.04MGMTdvs: no to what?
04:29.10pxr09anyways i can figure that stuff out. thanks for the info
04:29.12grand_gruntthemill: the .deb in archives are for packages I have managed to remove with dpkg -r --force-all, there are no new ones.
04:29.12dvsMGMT: unetbootin
04:29.17paxcoderpxr09: there always are as long as you select manual partitioning
04:29.21MGMTdvs: whats wrong with unetbootin?
04:29.32dvsMGMT: it only works some of the time
04:29.50MGMTdvs: weird, I rarely have a problem with it
04:30.32grimetonhm, a plane with skydivers on board crashed yesterday and all died - how ironic
04:33.33jeepsometime you need to know when to jump
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04:34.22grimetonyeah, but it's still sad, people died
04:35.05grand_gruntI can remove with dpkg each single package, using --force-all, then install it. How can I make aptitude do the same while upgrading the whole system ?
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04:35.23grimetongrand_grunt: what are y ou trying todo?
04:36.29grand_gruntgrimeton: I am trying to upgrading a Debian Sid with many broken packages (or something else broken)
04:37.08grimetongrand_grunt: fix your sources.list if broken, then run an apt-get update, after that run an apt-get -f install and then run an dpkg --configure --pending
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04:37.25themillThey're not that sort of broken.
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04:37.59MGMTbrb, gonna bring this back up on my other lappy
04:38.17themillgrand_grunt: have you had other files just disappear on you? Warnings about the filesystem needing an fsck?
04:38.36grand_gruntthemill: not a single filesystem trouble, I checked that.
04:38.38grimetonhm, broken filesystem
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04:39.02kaiten4great cdburnerxp just made a coaster out of my would be debian live dvd
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04:39.22Mortixhi everyone, i just installed debian for the first time, as i can see it comes with kernel 3.2,i want to upgrade it to 3.8 so i can install the latest graphic card drivers... it should be ok or it's not recommended to change the original kernel version?
04:39.41grimetonMortix: it's fine, but do it the debian way
04:39.44kaiten4Nothing is going right today, need some alcohol
04:40.00Mortixgrimeton, means?
04:40.19grimetonMortix: install the package kernel-package and read the docs - it allows you to built your kernel to a .deb package that you can easily install later
04:40.31grimetons/built/build/
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04:41.10grand_gruntgrimeton: while fixing sources.list I saw the Debian Multimedia repo, that I removed.
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04:41.21grimetonMortix: you configure your kernel as usual and then you run make-kpkg inside the kernel dir and get a debian package :)
04:41.26grand_gruntwoaaaw it wants to upgrade now. Thanks grimeton :)
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04:41.49Mortixgrimeton, ok i think i found some tutorial
04:42.05grimetongrand_grunt: you're welcome
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04:47.21GLXI'm trying to launch steam but it doesnt work
04:47.52GLXI keep getting this message:OpenGL GLX extension not supported by display
04:48.35GLXIs there a way to bypass this
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04:49.34GLXMy GPU is an Intel GMA btw
04:49.46GLXdrivers i915
04:50.11grimetonls
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04:50.28reavengreyglxinfo | grep render
04:50.34reavengreyglxinfo | grep OpenGL
04:50.41reavengreycopypasta
04:51.12MGMTis the load installer components from cd part the part where I pick what I want?
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04:51.24GLXok I ll check this
04:52.01reavengreyMGMT: It's more like where you intervene manually and ensure that programs that will be needed for your particular installation scenario are present in memory
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04:52.19reavengreyYou'll get to pick your desktop environment, etc later on IIRC
04:52.22MGMTreavengrey: should I select all of them?
04:52.50reavengreyIf you don't have a peculiar installation scenario (NFS, whatever), you probably can do fine with just the default
04:52.53reavengrey*defaults
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04:53.22MGMTreavengrey: none are selected by default
04:53.25janjahttp://MegaStoon.Com/sms/sms.php?share=178616
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04:53.45reavengreyOh, then you might want to look up a guide then, because I can't advise beyond this
04:53.52MGMTreavengrey: should I not be using graphical expert install?
04:54.04grimetonMGMT: just do a simple install
04:54.12reavengreythere's nothing wrong with that, you can use it if you want
04:54.22GLXAll I get is Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
04:54.23grimetonMGMT: near the end there will be a window that asks you, and there you deselect everything
04:54.25reavengreyRecommend you look up a guide
04:54.28MGMTgrimeton: will that install pretty much everything?
04:54.45reavengreyGLX: When you run glxinfo?
04:54.48grimetonthat will install pretty much nothing
04:54.52GLXyes
04:55.08reavengreyK, well Xorg is a graphical service
04:55.08MGMTgrimeton: simple will let me choose partition sizes right?
04:55.17grimetonMGMT: that's all asked during the setup
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04:56.06reavengreyGLX: It lets your computer display fancy graphics. In order for your X server to make use of the OpenGL acceleration features of your graphics card, it must have the GL extensions loaded
04:56.12reavengreyThat is what GLX is
04:56.24GLXok
04:56.33reavengreyIf you don't have GLX, you want to look into getting your GFx drivers installed properly
04:56.46GLXgraphics drivers/
04:56.48GLX?
04:56.56reavengreynods
04:57.11reavengreyIf your driver is installed correctly, /and/ if it supports open GL
04:57.12GLXI have Intel i915 installed
04:57.21GLXand reinstalled them
04:57.30GLXstill nothing
04:57.56reavengreyI can't say much on that, but maybe since it's an onboard card, it doesn't provide GL acceleration?
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04:58.32reavengreyCan try mesa too
04:58.39reavengreysoftware rendering
04:58.39MGMTthis is going way faster than I remember the last time I tried installing debian
04:58.48reavengrey!tell GLX about mesa
04:59.18GLXMesa is installed
04:59.35GLXHow do I make use of it?
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05:00.17DANtheBEASTmanam I mistaken in thinking dpkg-buildpackage will overwrite any options I set it in ./configure? how do I avoid this if so?
05:00.25reavengreyMesa is a library, if it's installed, it's installed
05:00.37GLXok
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05:00.41grimetonDANtheBEASTman: check the rules file and other stuff for configure options
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05:01.16grimetonDANtheBEASTman: inside the debian sub directory
05:01.18reavengreyI can't really tell what the real problem is, so, probably start by looking for lib GL
05:01.20GLXis it possible for a GPU to not support OpenGL
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05:01.42reavengreyGLX: Yes, it is possible for a driver not to provide OpenGL entry points
05:02.06reavengreyAnd it is possible for a card not to support hardware acceleration as well, but that is very rare today
05:02.17MGMTI only have to have the bootable flag on for /boot right?  I'm making /boot / /home and swap
05:02.22DANtheBEASTmanah rules file ok thanks grimeton
05:02.29GLXAFAIK, Intel driver in Linux kernel does provide opengl
05:02.51zykotick9MGMT: grub doesn't even care/consider boot flag.  it's more an MS thing.
05:03.07MGMToh, ok, thanks zykotick9
05:03.58zykotick9GLX: "lscpi | grep -i vga" is this a ploubse (or similar) thing?
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05:05.24umarzukiMGMT: https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard#Intel
05:05.31zykotick9GLX: but yes, most, but NOT all.  Intel graphics are built into the kernel.
05:05.38mumpitzelGLX: it only provides access to the videocard. no opengl or X driver stuff
05:06.10MGMTumarzuki: huh?
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05:06.18MGMTumarzuki: was that meant for GLX?
05:06.49GLXMy GPU is IntelGMA 3150
05:06.58umarzukimy bad, sorry
05:07.06reavengreyGLX: you running 64-bit or 32-bit debian?
05:07.11MGMTis wheezy stupid stable?
05:07.15GLX64
05:07.35reavengreyls -l /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so
05:07.42reavengreyAnd paste what you get
05:09.36zykotick9MGMT: "stpuid stable" is meaningless.  that could mean anything.  personally, i use wheezy on my desktop/netbook/mostVMs but YMMV.  If you suffer from <sns> then stable probably isn't for you.  enjoy debian (IMO only stable is "debian", and testing/unstable are just the development area's of the "true" debian) </ot>
05:10.10GLXNevermind I give up lmao.No Steam for today.Maybe I ll check on Intels website for the OpenGL support.Thanks reavengrey
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05:10.26reavengreyKk, gl
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05:11.14carsonczykotick9: For the record, concur with you that stable is "Debian."
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05:11.54MGMTzykotick9: I just meant really stable, but that was a good explanation.  I use xubuntu 13.04 at work, and things tend to have issues here and there
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05:13.08MGMTso if I wanna install awesome wm on here, do I deselect debian desktop environment, or keep it checked?
05:13.26mumpitzelkeep deselected
05:13.27carsoncMGMT: It depends.
05:13.35zykotick9MGMT: the best thing you can "understand" is: debian != ubuntu.  they are very different, with different goals.  i came from ubuntu land ;)
05:13.39carsoncDo you want to keep the other stuff installed, or uninstall it?
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05:14.08MGMTzykotick9: yeah, last time i used debian was 5?
05:14.32zykotick9MGMT: lol, if you use netinst unselect everything but base, and ssh server if you want that.  once installed, reboot into a "blank canvas" and install whatever you want.
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05:14.58carsoncMGMT: Before installing 7.2, last time I used Debian was 2.3.  I was glad to see it hasn't changed *too* much.  :)
05:15.30MGMTso no desktop env, no laptop, no standard sys utils?  I don't need print server to print right?
05:16.00MGMTcarsonc: my main req for a linux os is apt-get, just too used to that lol
05:16.00carsoncYou'll need either CUPS or lpd, but not the "print server" task from tasksel, necessarily.
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05:16.39MGMTcarsonc: whats the laptop option?
05:16.49carsoncI went BSD for a long stretch, and still would be there if I didn't have a need BSD couldn't fill.
05:17.27reavengreythe call of debian
05:17.29carsoncI don't know about "laptop," but I presume it's stuff to deal with the weird keyboards laptops have, plus power management stuff.
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05:17.41MGMThmmm, maybe I'll just keep that
05:18.10zykotick9MGMT: what is "laptop option"?  http://paste.debian.net/59715/
05:18.13grimetoncarsonc: you want bsd on a laptop without messing with the system, get a macbook :D 4.4.bsd on matching hardware ;)
05:18.26carsoncI'm probably the only person in 2013 to install dselect by choice.
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05:18.52carsoncgrimeton: NetBSD and OpenBSD both install perfectly well on my old Macbook2,1
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05:19.15grimetoncarsonc: i was talking about os x
05:19.24carsoncgrimeton: Yeah, I know.  ;)
05:19.30carsoncThat would, in fact, be my point.
05:19.55carsoncHardware is incidental.
05:20.00MGMTzykotick9: is there anything in the debian desktop env that I would want? or will installing awesome wm take care of that?
05:20.24carsoncMGMT: That's an unanswerable question without knowing what you want.
05:20.26grimetonMGMT: deselect it
05:20.35grimetonnothing you can't install late
05:20.36grimetonr
05:20.37mumpitzelMGMT: you can always install any bits of it later
05:20.45MGMTahhh, good point
05:21.06mumpitzelyou can even get this exact screen back with running "tasksel". most experienced debian users don't even use tasksel at all
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05:21.44Lady_AleenaThis may sound like a dumb question, but will Debian convert my non-UTF8 text type files to UTF8 automagically once I put them back on the drive after installing Debian?
05:21.55grimetonLady_Aleena: no
05:21.57carsoncYeah, I prefer to use apt-cache search task|grep ^task instead
05:22.02zykotick9MGMT: ummm, by that question, i really don't know if you understand what your getting into with awesome.  it's the biggest PITA wm i've ever used.  i don't know lua, and if you have any syntax mistakes in your default config, it boot default instead.  best of luck...  any WM != DE
05:22.07Lady_Aleenagrimeton, thank you.
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05:22.48MGMTzykotick9: up until about 5 mins ago I was just using cli and tmux
05:25.43zykotick9MGMT: what my message was being written from ;)  http://imagebin.org/274149
05:26.29MGMTlol, your using awesome
05:26.46zykotick9and tmux, a lot ;)
05:27.51carsonczykotick9: I'm just tickled to be in a screenshot.
05:27.52MGMTI just started learning tmux today, I was using screen... forgot why I switched
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05:28.00carsonctmux is better.
05:28.05ArtyGSo much love for tmux.
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05:28.23MGMTthat's what I gathered from youtube... almost nothing on screen, but a fair amount on tmux
05:28.41mumpitzelis an old fart and therefore screen user. ctrl a d is muscle memory
05:28.42zykotick9screen has graphics glitches in awesome.  i'm not sure where the problem is... but tmux doesn't.
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05:28.59jaamijeep, i had to reinstall fed17 and xchat ,
05:29.02MGMTzykotick9: are you talking about the flashes?
05:29.16carsoncmumpitzel: Just sub C-b for C-a and you're more-or-less set.
05:29.17zykotick9first customization of tmux, screen keybindings...
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05:29.55jaamijeep, the debian setup stoped because there was no working mirror. those mirros which were good were taking too long for scanning
05:29.55MGMTcan tmux do the share your session thing?
05:30.38jaamijeep, there was missing firmware‎e
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05:33.07jaamimissing firmware inlinlwifi-3945-2.ucode . setup said that some of your hardware need non free firmware
05:33.30jaamijeep, you are there?
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05:33.56jetscreamerthere's a nonfree firmware thing iirc
05:34.17damo22which version is 7.2.0?
05:34.21damo22is that wheezy?
05:34.30MGMTyeah
05:34.55damo22does each x.y.z get a new name when x is bumped up?
05:35.39mumpitzelyes
05:35.41jetscreamer!tell jaami -about installer firmware
05:35.49jaamijeekl, the dd command worked good
05:35.57damo22mumpitzel: thx
05:36.03jetscreamer!tell jaami -about firmware images
05:36.06mumpitzeljaami: you didn't use the firmware debian install images like you've been told however?
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05:36.47jaamithat was for wifi i am sure but my wifi modem has built in memory where it keeps drivers.
05:37.19jaamiwhen wifi modem is attached with system a new drive is added where i can see driver for windows
05:37.55jaamiactually i cannot check now because during install all my partition is gone
05:38.01MGMTfor ifconfig and iwconfig I'm getting a bash error not found...
05:38.31zykotick9MGMT: /sbin/ifconfig
05:39.00MGMTzykotick9: why isn't that part of my path?
05:39.55carsoncMGMT: That's a question that doesn't have an answer without more knowledge of your environment.
05:39.55zykotick9MGMT: 'cause it's not suppose to be.  <- that's kinda a joke sorry.  be default it's not there in debian.  if you use "su -" then suddenly it is ;)
05:40.23carsonczykotick9: In other words, it's part of root's PATH; not regular users'.
05:40.26jaamimumpitzel, the non-free firmware error came first but later i was shown network adapters to choose, i selected the one for wifi modem. then i noticed that the red light on modem was turned to blue. that means modem was detected and working before setup went looking for mirrors
05:40.32zykotick9carsonc: bingo
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05:42.28jaamimumpitzel, after selecting mirror, setup go for scanning of mirror where it took life long time
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05:43.07jaamimumpitzel, setup died at the scanning
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05:43.45MGMTto set the key for wlan0 its iwconfig wlan0 key thepassword right?
05:43.57jaamimumpitzel, then i selected minimal setup and that did not boot correctly
05:45.27jaamigood thing was that dd worked much better than unetbootin
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05:47.10jaamiwhat i should do now?
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05:47.43jaamishould i download other iso this time? can you give me link?
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05:48.51mumpitzeljaami: you have debian installed?
05:48.56jaamidebian is a dream or something real?
05:49.16mumpitzeljaami: is debian installed that you see the missing firmware message?
05:49.17jaamimumpitzel, no, debian was not installed
05:49.39jaamithe missing firmware message was shown during debian setup
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05:51.19jaamimumpitzel, the missing fimware message was shown during install of debian. but also i was shown list of network adapters where i selected lan. for my wifi modem. and dhcp worked and assigned ip etc
05:51.22mumpitzelhow did setup die at the mirror scanning?
05:51.51jaamisetup took long time and newer came back, i had to click on cancel
05:51.58jaaminever**
05:53.05mumpitzelare you using a mandatory proxy or such?
05:53.28jaamimumpitzel,  the scanning msg was this, scanning the mirror, configuring the apt
05:53.41jaamimumpitzel, no proxy
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05:56.04jaamimumpitzel, one thing is confusing , in actual installed system when i first time open browser for internet i see a message from modem . the message is a webpage that tells me that initializing. after that i can browse internet. otherwise i cannnot access internet.
05:57.21jaamiso i think that web page from modem is like the automatic switch that turns on as soon the page is opened. if page is not opened then there is no internet access
05:57.53jaamithe does not ask me any password. it just show up first and then browsing starts
05:58.03jaamithat page**
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05:59.22jaamiso, i am thinking that during setup of debian the page has no browser to display itself on. and it did not let the setup have internet access. i am just assuming this might have happened
06:00.12unkmarI'm failing to find chntpw in wheezy. :(
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06:01.14mumpitzeljaami: get a debian live cd and install with that
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06:01.25jaamimumpitzel,  i was assuming that upgrade will start after debian is setup completely from USB. does debian setup look for packages during install process?
06:02.05jaamihmm, again i will ask you to help me. find the link for me plz
06:03.00jaamido you mean the actual CD or the iso ?
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06:05.06mumpitzelyes it looks for debian repositories if you have a internet connection
06:05.08jaamimumpitzel, what do you think the problem will be ? is it my internet connection  or the setup of live usb?
06:06.06mumpitzeljaami: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/
06:06.17MGMTam I still here?
06:06.37jaamiokay, thanks mumpitzel  i download it
06:07.04carsoncMGMT: Depends on you, Descartes.
06:07.53MGMTanyone know how I can get sudo to work?  I have to keep switching to root to do stuff
06:08.19jaamiwhat was the command for download, was it wget?
06:08.31jaamior was it fget?
06:08.34MGMTwget
06:08.41jaamioh okay, thanks
06:08.44carsoncIn Debian, the user must be a member of the sudo group, I think
06:08.53jaamiah right,
06:09.07MGMTcarsonc: I probably gotta do that as root too huh? lol
06:09.10carsoncOtherwise, see man.conf(5)
06:09.26carsoncer, sudo.conf(5) -- sorry
06:09.44carsoncDebian is actually pretty well documented.
06:09.50jaamiwget command not found, i think i will have to install it, i have fed17
06:09.59carsoncNot as good as OpenBSD, but still pretty good for a Linux distribution.
06:10.12MGMTit says bash: sudo: command not found
06:10.19MGMTI wonder what my path is
06:10.30carsoncYou can see your path by: "echo $PATH"
06:10.41MGMTyeah... wheres sudo? /sbin?
06:10.52carsonc/usr/bin
06:11.00carsoncIf it's not installed, apt-get install sudo
06:11.17MGMTlol, wasnt installed
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06:12.04MGMTthis is gonna be a fun night
06:12.09carsoncYou can also do "apropos sudo" or "man -k sudo"
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06:13.08MGMTis there a default .bashrc or do I just gotta make my own?
06:13.52carsonc"locate bashrc" turns up /etc/bash.bashrc
06:14.02phy1729is there a mnemonic for apropos? I always forget it exists
06:14.24carsoncphy1729: apropos IS the mnemonic.  :)  The other is "man -k"
06:14.51phy1729ah I'll stick with flags then
06:15.34carsoncYeah, I usually do the same
06:16.50jaamimumpitzel, 1.1gb will take 2 hours. i haave to wait
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06:19.24MGMTzykotick9: you still on?
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06:32.55kaiten4I just wanted to thank everyone who advised me earlier. I installed debian stable, and everything works great, even the 3d, playing half life now :)
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06:56.02MGMThow the heck do I get my xauth working?
06:56.04MGMT:/
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07:04.11mumpitzelMGMT: how is it broken?
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07:19.48chrisopraseHi
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07:22.20chrisoprasenevermind, i figured it out
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07:28.31veekhow do i fix this wine cmd.exe /c echo '%ProgramFiles%' returned unexpanded string '%ProgramFiles%' ... can be caused a corrupt wineprefix, an old wine, or by not owning /root/.wine
07:28.44veekwhen i run winetricks
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07:29.07petern_Running wine as root ... o_O
07:29.11veeki am root
07:29.18petern_Yeah, why?
07:29.19grimetonbow before me
07:29.22veekit's a celero 400MHz
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07:30.16veeki shifted from wine 1.4 (wheezy) to Sid (1.5)
07:30.22veekwine itself works
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07:34.11NamphizSomeone got an idea how I can fix this dependency problem? Google is not very helpful :( http://pastebin.com/hGHsc4UR
07:34.47Namphiz(The most important ones are the php-packages)
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07:35.58grimetonNamphiz: apt-get update && apt-get -f install
07:36.21Namphizsame output
07:36.23veekdo a check
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07:36.35grimetonNamphiz: dpkg --configure --pending
07:37.06Namphizdidn't work, too :(
07:37.09veek7 not fully installed or removed.
07:37.38grimetonNamphiz: we can try to use the hardliner method
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07:38.05Namphizmy guess for the libxml dependency is, that there was an update a few days ago, because libxml had some security issues.. probably the debian devs forgot that the other packages had the old libxml2 as a dependency?
07:38.15grimetonNamphiz: get the packages that aren't working and force the purge of 'em
07:38.23Namphizok
07:38.34Namphizjust apt-get remove --purge?
07:38.39grimetonNamphiz: it's like dpkg --purge --force-all $packagename
07:38.41petern_No, libgcrypt11:3i86 is available at 1.5.0-5+deb7u1
07:38.51petern_*i386
07:39.03petern_So the problem is your system isn't upgrading the i386 packages for some reason.
07:39.04grimetonNamphiz: it's important to know that this is really the not-so-nice way
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07:39.12Namphizbecause?
07:39.56grimetonNamphiz: after you have removed the packages do an apt-get update
07:40.00grimetonand then try an apt-get -f install
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07:41.14grimetonNamphiz: purging also removes config files - prepare your backups
07:41.23NamphizI have some :)
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07:42.30Namphizstill dependency problem
07:42.51petern_Pastebin your sources.list ;)
07:43.50grimetonyeah, seems like a good idea
07:44.01Namphizhttp://pastebin.com/RfZvxuFD
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07:44.35grimetonNamphiz: did you purge all the packages that didn't configure ?
07:44.48petern_yeah looks fine
07:44.57Namphizthe php ones first.. because they're the most important ones atm
07:45.09grimetonNamphiz: the thing is to remove everything that pisses dpkg off
07:45.20grimetonand then let apt-get do some magic
07:45.24Namphizok then I will try it
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07:46.07grimetoni've never seen that dpkg tried to configure one package while having an older version installed - i wonder how you even get into this situation
07:46.13jenn27can someone help me find out which is the correct # to use after sda? i'm trying to chroot in with livecd to repair grub
07:46.38NamphizMy guess is, that this is because of a libxml2 update.. but I might be wrong
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07:46.41firztspawnfdisk -l
07:46.45mumpitzeljenn27: you can check yourself with running blkid or fdisk -l
07:46.51firztspawnjenn27, ^
07:47.01petern_what does dpkg --print-foreign-architectures output?
07:47.03mumpitzeljenn27: run them as root, with sudo maybe
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07:47.14jenn27ok i was running sudo fdisk -l   is that wrong?
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07:47.41firztspawnI would think you would already be root if you chrooted into live cd
07:47.44jenn27when i run is without sudo i just get sdb1 but with sudo i get a bunch of sda's followed by numbers
07:48.10jenn27i didn't chroot yet, it failed and i think it's because i chose the wrong # after sda
07:48.14Namphizpetern_: Nothing
07:48.20firztspawnah ok
07:48.21petern_Namphiz, it should list i386
07:48.42firztspawnjenn27, how many partitions are you using? ie do you have a seperate /boot?
07:48.57Namphiznamphiz@41115:/etc/apt$ dpkg --print-foreign-architectures namphiz@41115:/etc/apt$
07:49.03petern_Namphiz, did setup multiarch and then disable it again?
07:49.10jenn27yes i think it's separate
07:49.27NamphizI'm not sure about that.. the thing is, that this is a vServer.. so I didn't set it up
07:49.29petern_Or install i386 packages manually?
07:49.34firztspawnwell .. /boot is usually /dev/sda1, then root is likely to be /dev/sda2
07:49.55firztspawnat least thats how I have it set up
07:49.56petern_"dpkg --add-architecture i386" will make dpkg know about i386, then it should upgrade the i386 packages as well.
07:50.12Namphizpetern_: The only packages I installed manually were apache2, mysql, php, ftpd .. typical server stuff
07:50.17jenn27without root it says sdb1,,,, with root it says sda2
07:50.18petern_oh
07:50.20petern_um
07:50.22petern_ok
07:50.25petern_ignore what i wrong then
07:50.42petern_What does dpkg --print-archtecture show?
07:50.51firztspawnjenn27, chroot into /dev/sda2 then ls.. you'll soon know if youre in the wrong partition
07:50.56Namphizamd64
07:51.11petern_Hm. weird how you have i386 packages installed then.
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07:51.31petern_Well, do the --add-architecture line, that should fix things.
07:51.33firztspawnif youre in the right partition you should see /etc, /tmp etc
07:51.49Namphizdunno.. but I will try the advice from grimeton again first.. maybe it helps
07:51.57grimetonNamphiz: nah, add the arch line
07:52.05grimetonNamphiz: i haven't seen the wrong arch files
07:52.06Namphizk
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07:52.45petern_Depends what other i386 stuff is installed... if it's not used then it's not unreasonable to remove the :i386 versions anyway.
07:52.46grimetonsame procedure as ...
07:53.16jenn27ok i'll try
07:53.24jenn27but when i tried to chroot last time it didn't work
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07:54.06petern_You don't chroot into a partition. You have to mount the partition, then chroot into that.
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07:54.33NamphizNew output: http://pastebin.com/RuBdbdnv
07:54.54grimetonNamphiz: follow the advice apt-get -f install
07:55.12grimetonand then you should think about removing the i386 stuff again
07:55.46petern_Yeah I think that's because the newer versions are already partly installed for amd64.
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07:56.23Namphizdpkg: error: cannot remove architecture 'i386' currently in use by the database
07:56.24dpkgNamphiz: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request
07:56.33Namphizd pkg: error: cannot remove architecture 'i386' currently in use by the database
07:56.41grimetonNamphiz: yeah, get everything in order before you start to remove stuff
07:57.39Namphizgrimeton: I guess that's the case.. because apt-get -f install didn't print out any errors
07:57.50petern_Okay, now try the upgrade
07:57.52grimetonNamphiz: now run you upgrade to get everything up2date
07:58.03grimetons/you/your/
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07:58.35Namphizupgraded, but still can't remove the architecture
07:59.00grimetonNamphiz: you have to install the amd64 versions of the actually installed i386 versions first
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07:59.39petern_Namphiz, if upgrade went fine, leave it as is.
07:59.48Namphizit did
07:59.53petern_cool, job done :D
07:59.56Namphizno dependency problem anymore
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08:00.07Namphizbut now: Do I have to remove the architecture?
08:00.10petern_No.
08:00.14grimetonlet's hope you don't end up with mixed stuff
08:00.23NamphizI mean... i386 packages should work on amd64 or not?
08:00.34petern_Yes, they can.
08:00.46grimetonNamphiz: question is: what does 64bits php say if it hits 32bits libxml ;)
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08:00.58Namphizgrimeton: Ok I know what you mean
08:01.13NamphizI'll try to set up my website
08:01.18Namphizbrb
08:01.48Namphizphp works.. phpinfo() was successful
08:01.48petern_As long as it's a multiarch compatible deb, the libraries will be split per architecture.
08:03.15NamphizOk.. how do you guys know these kind of things? Experience? ;)
08:03.21grimetonNamphiz: reading
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08:03.36grimetonand 20 years of experience
08:03.40Namphizgrimeton: That sounded like I didn't do that well :D
08:03.53Namphizok.. that isn't my league :D
08:04.15grimetonit's not that multiarch is available for 20 years in debian ...
08:04.32grimetonbut lots of stuff is just simple and logical
08:04.43grimetonlike removing i386 arch while having i386 packages installed...
08:04.45grimetoncan never work
08:04.49Namphiz... if u know how the system works
08:04.57Namphizyup I agree
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08:05.19Namphizlooks like the case is solved
08:05.30Namphizphpmyadmin clone works... PHP works.. everything fine
08:05.35grimetoncongrats
08:05.36NamphizThank you guys :)
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08:19.46mr_c15hello all
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08:21.04mr_c15I have a question about Debian 7 and Intel Haswell Processors
08:21.40mr_c15Does debian supports all haswell features?
08:22.03grimetonmr_c15: that's more a question if the kernel supports those features
08:22.51mr_c15grimeton: can you tell me where should I look for such informations?
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08:23.12grimetonmr_c15: if in doubt: check the Documentation directory in the kernel sources
08:23.21grimetonmr_c15: which can be obtained at kernel.org
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08:24.16mumpitzelmr_c15: no. but what features do you need?
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08:25.35mr_c15thank you grimeton
08:25.54mumpitzelgrimeton: it's not a kernel question at all
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08:26.38mr_c15mumpitzel: I want to be sure that the OS will use all processor resources in optimal way
08:27.26mr_c15because I would like to use it as LAMP stack
08:27.45mumpitzelmr_c15: not binary based general purpose distro will. none of them
08:28.10mumpitzelmr_c15: use gentoo or another source based one then. and pray that your compiler actually supports all these newfangled haswell features too
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08:30.59mumpitzelmr_c15: almost nothing new in haswell is relevant for a LAMP stack btw
08:31.07mumpitzelmr_c15: which haswell cpu do you have?
08:32.09mr_c15what is the difference between distro if I compile packages from source?
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08:33.48mr_c15I have Intel Haswell 4770k
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08:38.28grimetonmumpitzel: depends on the features we're talking about ... but it's also a question if the features are supported by the compiler
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08:38.51grimetonbut yeah, there seems nothing really important for a lamp stack
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08:44.16mumpitzelmr_c15: then you have nothing new in haswell that needs support. avx2 and the like is only for multimedia stuff. and you don't have TSX-NI
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08:46.25mr_c15so what distro do you recommend for normal work as a programmer?
08:46.40mumpitzeldebian.
08:47.27petern_Probably not the most sensible place to ask that question :)
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08:48.37mr_c15petern_: ok:D mumpitzel: thanks
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08:58.13veekhas anyone got wine 1,6 or 1.7 running on debian
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08:59.03mumpitzel!anyone
08:59.04dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.  Instead, ask your real question.  (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.)  See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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09:36.01ShapeShifter499hi guyes
09:36.03ShapeShifter499*guys
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09:38.40veekheh
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09:42.18ShapeShifter499I love the unity desktop though
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09:43.23anddamupdating meanwhile
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09:46.11babilenShapeShifter499: Unity has not yet been packaged, read about it in #609278.
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09:49.26icerootwhere does this "added user root" is coming from? i can not reproduce it now and never saw it before. http://pastebin.com/400fraQ7  Debian 7.2
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09:54.48ShapeShifter499guess I'll switch to the latest gnome
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10:00.29oo_miguelI just configured postifx with saslauthd, following a tutorial. but it told me that "postfix does a chroot so it can't comminicate with salslauthd" and I had to move the /var/run/saslauthd directory to /var/spool/postifx/var/run/saslauthd and then create just a symlink in the original location. is this really necessary/ the approach seems kind of a hack to me...
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10:02.06drybjedoo_miguel: thats how chroots work
10:02.14drybjedoo_miguel: also, why not use dovecot as auth?
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10:02.39oo_migueli thought dovecat is repsonsible for providing the imap/pop3 interface
10:02.53drybjedit is, but it also provides auth
10:03.11drybjedyou can configure it to provide only auth, if for example you have separate smtp server
10:03.37drybjedif you have central database somewhere and imap/pop3 services, it's easy to use that for postfix auth
10:04.04oo_miguelhmmm Ill have a look, this are my first mail-server experiments now :)
10:04.13oo_miguelthanks for the suggestion
10:04.17drybjedsure
10:04.24drybjedjust make sure to close open relay
10:04.32drybjedgreater mail community will thank you for it :)
10:05.00oo_miguelsmtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated,reject_unauth_destination
10:05.06oo_miguelthats closed like that right?
10:05.13drybjedyes
10:05.16oo_miguelok
10:05.28oo_miguelthe debian default config is luckily already very restrictive on that
10:05.39oo_migueli even had to add the permit_sasl_authenticated directive
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10:17.27oo_miguelah, with dovecat it works perfectly, thankx again drybjed
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10:17.36oo_miguelwithout this ugly "workaround" ;)
10:18.12nongeekhello all
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10:18.29nongeekI joined my debian to Windows domain but my username and password not worked
10:18.40nongeekI can't login to the debian
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10:19.32nongeekit shown me : "Could not update ICEauthority file /home/test/.ICEauthority"
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10:21.13nongeekany idea?
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10:22.41Psycho_prHi, I tried to follow this manual: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting#Installation but when I try to goto http://localhost:631 it says connection refused. What gives?
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10:23.38icerootPsycho_pr: cups is running? (ps aux | grep cups)
10:23.50mumpitzelPsycho_pr: as root, "netstat -anpr |grep 631"
10:24.09Psycho_prseems like cups is not running
10:24.23Psycho_prBut I did execute /etc/init.d/cups start as root
10:24.38mumpitzelPsycho_pr: as root, "netstat -lanp |grep :631"
10:25.04nongeekany idea about my problem?
10:25.15icerootmichael@bestian:~$ ps aux | grep cups
10:25.15icerootroot      3550  0.0  0.0  77960  3040 ?        Ss   Okt13   0:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd -C /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
10:25.25icerootPsycho_pr: that how it should look like
10:25.58Psycho_prNo, it has no output...
10:26.24nongeekwhen I want login to linux it show me :" Could not update ICEauthority file /home/test/.ICEauthority"
10:26.24Psycho_prI guess cups is not running, despite me running /etc/init.d/cups start.
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10:29.00icerootPsycho_pr: something in "/var/log/syslog" about cups is failing to start?
10:29.48Psycho_priceroot: Seems to be clear.
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10:34.06Psycho_prWeird that /etc/init.d/cups doesn't even say anything
10:34.12Psycho_prlike "starting cups"
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10:37.39mank319Hey there :-)
10:37.44mank319Any KDE users around?
10:38.01mank319Is there any reason for "rekonq" being available on wheezy and sid, but not on testing?
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10:38.50mank319Just switched to KDE as I found the whole application suite to be the most mature and productive, but I could not quite get a hang of konqueror so I'd like to check rekonq out
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10:39.54icerootPsycho_pr: michael@bestian:~$ /etc/init.d/cups start
10:39.54iceroot[....] Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsdcupsd: Child exited on signal 15
10:39.57iceroot. ok
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10:41.16icerootPsycho_pr: you are using sudo? without sudo i dont get error messages but it will not start of course
10:41.19icerootmichael@bestian:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/cups start
10:41.19iceroot[ ok ] Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd.
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10:41.30Psycho_priceroot: No I use su
10:41.45Psycho_prIs that a problem?
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10:42.22icerootPsycho_pr: no, if you have a rootshell after that, it should not be a problem
10:42.39icerootwhoami should show root
10:42.58Psycho_prYes, then I am running it as root, but the script has no output at all.
10:45.35frikinzand with su -
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10:49.22mumpitzel,v rekonq
10:49.23juddPackage: rekonq on i386 -- squeeze: 0.5.0-2; wheezy: 0.9.2-1
10:49.27muscamank319: Both are using the webkit engine. And there also is chromium.
10:49.38mumpitzelmank319: rekonq is not available in testing or unstable
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11:07.20pythonsnaketell me what are the "best" secure ways to transfer a file (remote to local): scp, ..?
11:07.39nkuttlerrsync over ssh?
11:07.55pythonsnakethat's kinda scp
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11:08.54pythonsnakeso i'm searching for another way to transfer
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11:10.20jackbrownif I change the value into the file /sys/devices/platform/asus-nb-wmi/leds/asus\:\:kbd_backlight/brightness I'm able to modify my Backlight Keyboard I would lime to remap FN+F3 or F4 to regulate it  HELP PLS)==)
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11:16.23SOUL_OF_R00Tnice morning great guys !
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11:26.50Lullullif my iptables -L shows me this "ACCEPT     udp  --  anywhere             anywhere             udp spts:27000:27030 dpts:1025:65355" does that mean that the portrange 27000-27030 is open so people can connect externally?
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11:29.54mank319musca, mumpitzel thanks guys :-) well actually it appears to be available on unstable, but not on testing, that's what I find strange...
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11:39.59pythonsnakeare torretns encrypted like ssh
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11:41.03muscamank319:  it's only available for the m68k architecture.
11:41.32mank319oh i see :D
11:41.44mank319so it has been sort of discontinued, I guess?
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11:42.05muscano, it was removed for political reasons
11:42.20mank319ahh ok
11:42.49mank319for similar reasons as the mozilla debate?
11:43.00mank319if yes, is there a "rebranded version" of it, too?
11:43.52abrotmanpolitical reasons?
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11:44.20mank319i guess some violations of free software ideals?
11:44.41petern_Mozilla was due to trade marks...
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11:44.53abrotmanyes and no
11:45.05mank319yeah nonfree icons and names
11:45.09mank319i know
11:45.09muscaabrotman: i can't find the related bug report atm
11:45.14nkuttler!why is rekonq not in testing
11:45.15dpkgrekonq is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://packages.qa.debian.org/rekonq
11:45.18nkuttlermank319: ^^
11:45.19abrotmanhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=712808
11:45.22abrotmanthat's hardly political
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11:46.45mank319oh well
11:46.52mank319then I'd rather not use it anyways :D
11:47.07mank319wouldn't be the smartest thing to enable webkit in konqueror either then, huh?
11:47.21abrotmanor chrome, yes
11:47.28abrotmanchromium, whatever it's called
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11:47.35mank319i never linked chrome anyways
11:47.52mank319just a few ui design flaws (one may call it features, but thats subjective) that kept me from liking it
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11:48.37xamberHey guys, i have 2 wheezy machines, one acts like an router and one is just a server. If i need to open any firewall ports. On what machine do i need to open them on? Or do i need to open them on both machines?
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11:51.24abrotmanthe router should direct traffic on those ports to the server's daemon
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11:53.05o1examber: on the router you have to use the FORWARD chain, and additional on server the INPUT chain
11:54.11xambero1e so on the router:  iptables -I FORWARD -p udp --dport 27020 -j ACCEPT correct?
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11:55.10o1examber: depends on what you want to achieve, but syntax seems to be OK, i would suggest to add -o for output-device
11:55.43xamberright, and theese settings are saved when i choose to reboot also ?
11:56.34o1examber: no, no fixed firewall-rules by default. you can do this with iptables-save and iptables-restore
11:57.11xamberright okay, thank you for your help, much appriciated =)
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12:18.42uwjesqHello. I am getting messages from cron and neither my user nor root has any jobs in the crontab. Is there any other place I can check?
12:19.10abrotman/etc/cron*
12:19.54uwjesqabrotman: Thanks I will check that.
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12:20.28jaamimumpitzel, download completed now runing this command dd if=/home/jaami/debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-gnome-desktop+nonfree.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M; sync
12:21.26mumpitzeljaami: looks good
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12:23.35jeepjaami: i think your gonna win for persistance
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12:23.54jaamiuhhh, lol... too tired now
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12:24.42jaamibut i will not sleep untill i install debian, :)
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12:25.21jeepjaami: how did you install fedora with a usb stick or cd ?
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12:26.25jaamifrom cd i made few months ago
12:28.00jaamimumpitzel, im ready to boot system, i will have re install fed17 if anything goes wrong.  1230602240 bytes (1.2 GB) copied, 205.057 s, 6.0 MB/s
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12:29.16jeepjaami: you can check the sum of the usb stick before booting i think
12:29.36jaamijeep, how do i check sum?
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12:30.20jeepgimme a second i remeber seeing something about it before
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12:30.39jaamisure, thanks for help
12:30.43jeepjust md5sum /dev/sdb
12:30.49jaamiokay
12:31.05jeepit should match the .iso you sent there
12:32.44jaamidoes dd keep track of source on live usb? compare with the iso in /home/jaami?
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12:33.08jeepjaami: i found a post saying dd didnt work until he used dd with no options
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12:33.45jaamioh, so i run dd again?
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12:33.56jeepjust dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/sdb
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12:34.20jeepjaami: have you done dd like that yet ^^
12:34.32jaamijeep, no
12:34.51jeepjaami: try it .. you have tried the other way a bunch right ?
12:35.01jaamiright
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12:35.35jaamiyes, i should try it. let the check sum command stop or should i stop it manually?
12:36.01jeepjust stop it .. if you want try it since its already made ..
12:36.09jaamiokay
12:36.12jeepif it fails try dd with no optionjs
12:36.21jaamiok
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12:38.05jaamijeep,  md5sum returned this b69c91f8f64c9be6cb58efe11ec12dc0  /dev/sdb  does it mean the iso matched?
12:38.27jeepjaami: md5sum the .iso and compare
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12:39.01jeepjaami: or look on ftp where the sumsare listed
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12:45.05jaamijeep, md5sum is good thing to check. but unfortunately it did not match
12:45.31jaamii did not format usb before running the dd command
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12:45.50jaamiold debian was in usb
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12:46.29jaamiim not sure if dd remove all from USB before writting anything
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12:47.28mumpitzeljaami: normal
12:47.50mumpitzelyour usb stick is bigger than the image. and that part which is bigger screws up the hash
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12:48.07jeepjaami: that method works with cd's im tryign to find page about confirming the usb stick
12:48.16jaamiah okay, got it now
12:49.08jeepjust try it .. if it fails again format the usb stick and try dd again
12:49.10jaamijeep, is this what you looking for? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
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12:49.55Zopieuxhi, i've got an issue with apt-get
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12:50.12jeepjaami: im looking for how to check the usb stick after dd copies the files to it
12:50.13ZopieuxI'm on stable, I tried to install a package from a more recent repo (unstable)
12:50.26jaamijeep,  okay
12:50.30mumpitzelZopieux: that was a bad idea. remove the package agin
12:50.34jeepjaami: just reboot and try it only takes a second to see
12:50.37Zopieuxdpck-configure prompted me if I wanted to go on, I said no
12:50.44Zopieuxthe install aborted cleanly
12:50.46jaamiright, rebooting
12:51.01Zopieuxbut now apt-get wants me to "fix broken" every time I want to do something
12:51.11abrotmanZopieux: apt-get -f install, pastebin please
12:51.13ZopieuxI would like to "revoke" my wish to upgrade the package
12:51.15Zopieuxhttp://paste.awesom.eu/W10
12:51.20Zopieuxa dry run says this
12:51.30ZopieuxI would like to keep 2.13 (currently installed)
12:51.42Zopieuxand "revoke" the 2.17 "install wish"
12:51.47jaamii should save the iso but where i dont know,
12:52.00jaamihmm, yes i can save in mobile
12:52.39Zopieuxany idea? I'm afraid -f will install the bad version (2.17)
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12:54.16jeepjaami: it gives you option to boot and test without installing ?
12:54.24abrotmancouldn't have made that any worse ...
12:54.33abrotmanZopieux: pastebin hyour sources.list in paste.debian.net
12:54.51ZopieuxI'm on stable and added jessie with a very low priority
12:55.01Zopieuxshould I remove jessie?
12:55.14abrotmando you understand what libc6 is?
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12:55.40Zopieuxyes I do, it was a dependency to the package I was trying to install
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12:55.42jaamijeep, im making backup of the iso because it took long ime to download
12:55.59ZopieuxI would like not to break my entire debian with a mistaken -f
12:56.11abrotmanbut breaking it by adding testing repos was a good idea?
12:56.11jaamigive me just 5-10 minutes , im copying iso
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12:56.41Zopieuxabrotman, I thought apt-pinning would be secure enough there
12:56.55abrotmanapparently you don't understand how pinning works
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12:57.24ZopieuxI did *not* actually installed the said package, the apt-get install exited before anything could append
12:58.02abrotmanremove the jessie lines, try apt-get -f install
12:58.06Zopieuxokay
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13:00.00Zopieuxabrotman, a dry-run gives me a very long list of critical packages (eg gcc) to be removed, what the hell
13:00.09Zopieuxshould I apt-get update first?
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13:02.58abrotmanyou didn't actually upgrade any packages?
13:03.14jaamijeep, rebooting just to check if there is booting and testing option without installing
13:03.35ZopieuxI'm not sure, as I said the pkg-configure for libc6 asked me if I wanted to go on, I said no, apt-get exited.
13:03.52Zopieuxbut "dpkg -l libc6" shows I'm still running 2.13 (stable version)
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13:04.46Zopieuxso I believe I did not upgrade anything, even if apt-get seems to think otherwise
13:05.29Zopieuxshould I apt-get update to commit the removal of deb jessie from source.list?
13:06.03abrotmanso you did install packages
13:06.38ZopieuxI don't think so, dpkg -l shows stable version, not jessie's
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13:10.22mumpitzel,v libc6
13:10.23juddPackage: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38; jessie: 2.17-93; sid: 2.17-93
13:10.41Zopieuxabrotman, here is a summary of what I did so far: http://paste.debian.net/plain/59801
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13:11.24jeepZopieux: run apt-get update again after removing jessie ?
13:11.34abrotmanZopieux: what's the output of "apt-get update;apt-get -f install"
13:11.36Zopieuxokay, let's do this
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13:12.17jeepjaami: on the debian live cd ?
13:12.34jaamijeep, there is option to test before install. the desktop look exactly like fed17
13:12.57jaamiim back on fed17
13:13.17jeepjaami: boot to the test mode .. you can run the install from it
13:13.46jaamiyes boot too the test mode and there is install option also but i did not try that
13:13.55jaamito*
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13:14.10Zopieuxhttp://paste.debian.net/?show=59803;lines=0
13:14.13jeepjaami: use that .. you can login irc from the livecd too
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13:14.26Zopieuxit wants to remove jessie packages but also some stable ones!
13:14.30ZopieuxI'm confused
13:14.54jaamijeep, yes, i will use live cd if anything goes wrong.
13:15.09jaamiok going to install debian
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13:16.54Zopieuxso, should I -f install, then reinstall the stable packages?
13:17.04xamberHey arent the debian firewall set to allow everything as default ?
13:17.15abrotmanZopieux: which package manager are you using?
13:17.19Zopieuxapt
13:17.22dvsjaami: Still installing?
13:17.22nkuttlerxamber: it's not configured by default
13:17.41xambernkuttler can i turn off iptables or set iptables to allow all traffic in and out?
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13:17.53nkuttlerxamber: you shouldn't have to
13:17.53Zopieuxyou want me to try with aptitude abrotman?
13:18.04abrotmanZopieux: and you still haven't shown the apt-get update .. not sure why you don't pastebin the things we ask for
13:18.10Zopieux(all the pastes I gave are dry-runs)
13:18.15xambernkuttler can i msg you ?
13:18.24nkuttlerxamber: please ask here in the channel
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13:19.02Zopieuxoh you want the update? http://paste.debian.net/?show=59805;lines=0
13:20.07jeepZopieux: now do the apt-get -f install pastebin what it says
13:20.41Zopieuxjeep: I was doing apt-get -f --dry-run, I'm afraid it will break everything! but ok, let's go
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13:20.59paxcoderafter an upgrade, X refuses to start. same config. Found this line in the log: [ 20982.897] (--) PCI:*(0:1:0:0) 1002:68e1:1682:6000 rev 0, Mem @ 0xd0000000/268435456, 0xfdfc0000/131072, I/O @ 0x0000ee00/256, BIOS @ 0x????????/131072  Does this mean my old Radeon is no longer recognized o.O?
13:21.09xamberSure, I'm running 2 wheezy machines, and one is an router and the other one is a Conter-strike global offensive server. The CSGO server is getting internet from the router and works great. But i need to forward ports 27000-27050 from the CSGO server. Easiest would be to either allow all or disable iptables.
13:21.27abrotmanZopieux: you'll have the optoin to not do the -f, it will prompt you
13:21.31mumpitzelpaxcoder: which exact videocard and which driver?
13:21.36xandthere's no such thing as "disable iptables"
13:21.49paxcodermumixam, i think it's radeon 1200, and it's the free driver
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13:22.08mumpitzelxamber: you need to tell us how your set up your router
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13:22.16Zopieuxhttp://paste.debian.net/plain/59807
13:22.17mumpitzelpaxcoder: then it should sitll work
13:22.25xandxamber: the default firewall rules on debian DO allow everything
13:22.27Zopieuxit's pretty much the same thing as the other paste.
13:22.28mumpitzelpaxcoder: pastebin your Xorg.0.log
13:22.44xandxamber: but that does not mean port forwarding will work without being configured
13:22.45paxcodermumixam, well Xorg FAQ says that asterisk there means it's the default card. there's only one
13:22.56paxcoderso that's the one, but it's not getting the string
13:23.06paxcoderwwill paste log
13:23.18abrotmanZopieux: apt-get --reinstall install libc6
13:23.28Zopieuxokay.
13:23.36xamberxand right. Well mumpitzel i've got eth0 as incomming and eth1 is LAN and ipv4.forwarding is enabled.
13:23.37Zopieux(I abort -f)
13:23.46paxcodermumixam, i'll give you 1 because 0 is the current one with a new config (2D)
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13:24.14mumpitzelpaxcoder: fine
13:24.40Zopieuxabrotman, I've got the same error as for every other (stable) package I try to install: http://paste.debian.net/plain/59809
13:24.52paxcodermumpitzel, http://paste.debian.net/59810/
13:25.01Zopieuxthat's why I was speaking of "revoking the libc6 2.17 install wish"
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13:26.44Zopieuxshould I accept the apt-get -f install?
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13:27.10KBmehello
13:27.28KBmedoes anone know how to print the keyid of a gpg key?
13:27.35mumpitzelZopieux: apt-get reinstall ALL of the packages mentioned there then
13:27.38paxcodermumpitzel, btw. X FAQ says no screens found means no driver iirc
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13:27.48KBmesomething like wget http://my.host/key.gpg |gpg --print-keyid or something?
13:27.51abrotmanZopieux: aptitude reinstall libc6
13:28.01abrotmansee if it will downgrade the rest
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13:28.13abrotmanpaxcoder: that can mean any driver though, like your mouse
13:28.37mumpitzelpaxcoder: line 226 tells you it supports x1200. what is the output of lspci -nn|grep -i vga  and   dpkg -l |grep firmware ?
13:28.40paxcoderabrotman, i actually had a mouse
13:29.07paxcoderthat's all it was on the screen. the mouse. then it spread to ttys. i used a tty, but the mouse was there. weird
13:29.12Zopieuxhttp://paste.debian.net/plain/59811 abrotman / mumpitzel
13:29.16paxcoder*there
13:29.54mumpitzelZopieux: I told you to add the ones it complains about to your command line
13:29.58paxcodermumpitzel, sec
13:30.07abrotmanpaxcoder: that's not what i meant
13:30.09mumpitzelZopieux: and when you paste, paste your command too, it's important
13:30.15ZopieuxI was doing abrotman's command mumpitzel
13:30.39Zopieuxokay sure, I will
13:30.47paxcodermumpitzel, http://paste.debian.net/59813/
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13:31.19mumpitzelpaxcoder: you don't even know what hardware you have :(
13:31.21paxcoderabrotman, i have no fancy hardware. nothing's new
13:32.01abrotmanyou're still not getting what i'm saying .. but okay
13:32.01mumpitzelpaxcoder: install firmware-linux-nonfree
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13:32.11paxcodermumixam, nope. it's years old.
13:32.21mumpitzelpaxcoder: you told me it's a x1200 which is not true
13:32.26mumpitzelpaxcoder: do what I told you
13:32.35Zopieuxit still wants to remove many things mumpitzel / abrotman http://paste.debian.net/plain/59814
13:33.20paxcodermumpitzel, i'm explaining why. will do. i usually add nonfree sources just to install firmware, then remove them. could that be it - update removed the old, and couldn't install the new packet?
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13:34.56cuscohi, seems taht imapsync is a popular tool to copy mail from a server to another
13:35.04cuscohowever in debian repo's I find imapcopy
13:35.39paxcoderis it possible to somehow have a single packet in apt sources (i don't know)?
13:35.40cuscothen I read on the internet that imapsync can be provided by different tools such as uw-imap's mailutil, r yippiemove
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13:35.49cuscowhat would you recomend?
13:35.52cuscorecommend?
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13:37.13paxcodermumpitzel, it seems it wasn't removed. "No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed."
13:37.36jeepcusco: i would guess imapcopy will do what you need did you try it ?
13:37.46cuscoI haven't tried anything yet
13:37.59cuscohttp://home.arcor.de/armin.diehl/imapcopy/imapcopy.html seems down..
13:38.20Zopieuxplease tell me what I should do, I'm confused and not willing to break this machine :)
13:38.35jeepcusco: imapcopy probably has a info or man page you can read after installing it
13:38.59abrotmanZopieux: kind of late for that :)
13:39.11cuscoI'm sure it has, as any other packaged tool... right?
13:39.20Zopieuxabrotman, why so? I did not install a single jessie package
13:39.42ZopieuxI don't understand how an aborted apt-get install could mess so many things up
13:39.47abrotmanZopieux: if you do "aptitude -f install" you can say 'n', it will try another solution
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13:39.55Zopieuxgonna try.
13:40.05abrotmanZopieux: you're not supposed to mix versions of Debian (make sure you've removed your pinning rules also)
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13:40.29Zopieuxhow, aptitude suggests to downgrade to stable!
13:40.32Zopieuxat last!
13:40.50Zopieuxhttp://paste.debian.net/plain/59816
13:41.11ZopieuxI guess it's the right thing?
13:41.23paxcodermumpitzel, will try updating the config with the appropriate device identifier
13:41.23abrotmanseems reasonable, right ?
13:41.31Zopieuxyes.
13:42.27Zopieuxeverything is now fine, many thanks guys.
13:42.38Zopieuxlong life to aptitude ;)
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13:44.51jeepZopieux: what were you trying to do in the first place ?
13:45.14Zopieuxinstall python-zmq/jessie
13:45.24Zopieuxon a stable dist.
13:45.32Zopieuxhow crazy am I.
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13:48.20mumpitzelZopieux: you cannot mess with python
13:48.29mumpitzelpatriku: what config? why do you have a xorg.conf?
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13:50.50jeepZopieux: if you dont mind the occasional issue jessie/testing works fine .. for a desktop/hobby/non critical use i suggest it
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13:52.07alfbluegot a question regarding udisks2 (debian testing, amd64, xfce): apparently external disks should get mounted on /media/<username>/<disklabel>, but they get mounted on /dev/usb0 instead. Can you help?
13:52.14Zopieuxjeep, halas it's a production web server!
13:52.28abrotmanhow many bad things can you conceive of doing?
13:52.46KBmedoes anyone here use openstack? do you just install it from sid repos onto a wheezy install?
13:52.51jeepZopieux: yeah stick with stable !
13:52.52ZopieuxI eventually decided to use the obsolete version of zmq on other machine to not mess with this one.
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13:53.01KBme(pin it?)
13:53.02abrotmanZopieux: so you thought upgrading random parts of your production system to packages with no security support was a good idea?
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13:53.29Zopieuxabrotman, as I said, I though pinning would prevent this kind of thing, but I'm new to this
13:53.43KBmeabrotman, outdated packages are just as bad
13:54.57jeepKBme: if the version does whats needed without crashing and no known exploits .. older is better than the unknown
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13:55.51paxcodermumpitzel, that didn't work, i'm afraid.
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13:56.50KBmejeep, sure, but it often doesn't, especially on debian.
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13:58.01KBmedon't misunderstand me, i'm all for debian, i never use ubuntu, especially for production servers, but you have two choices: 1, install from jessie/sid or 2, compile package but in this case you need to adapt the debian source packages wich is a huge PITA because of the complication of debian package creation
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14:00.09abrotmanKBme: i don't think you understand what you're talking about, but okay
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14:00.40unganyone know how to install Segoe UI font from MS? I have the ms-ttf package but I don't find the font. I search on internet and I don't find anything
14:00.45KBmeabrotman, well, I understand the issue, but I don't think you understand real world sysadmin needs?
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14:01.29jumperswitchHow does debootstrap avoid the use of apt and friends? Does it simply untar the contents?
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14:01.40jumperswitchNo installation necessary? Just plug the files into the rootfs?
14:02.47abrotmanKBme: I surely do
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14:05.57KBmething is that more often than not, the user and organisation needs a newer package than is in the debian stable repository
14:06.02jeepjumperswitch: have you read this https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap ?
14:06.16jumperswitchjeep: yes!
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14:07.26jeepjaami: did it work?
14:07.35abrotmanKBme: why?
14:07.40jaamiyes jeep it worked.
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14:07.50KBmeabrotman, because of features?
14:07.50jaamiim glad i can use debian now
14:08.02abrotmanKBme: sounds like the developers messed up the target systems
14:08.22jumperswitchjeep: They write it only needs access to the repository. Alright. But they don't write how it install the packages. Does it use dpkg? Or does it simply untar them?
14:08.27KBmewell, developpers usually targe ubuntu just for this reason
14:08.34jeepjaami: its natural progressions .. everyone tries fedora then they try some other ones then they grow up and realize debian is the best
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14:09.14abrotmanKBme: right, developer/management problems .. not a Debian problem
14:09.38KBmethat's ignoring the real world, not systems administration
14:09.40patrikumumpitzel: Hi, i dont use xorg.conf or anything in xorg.conf.d . I was advised to try it, but it didnt make any difference.
14:09.45jaamiyes, i feel good to be a debian user now :)
14:10.23abrotmanIt's the developers ignoring requirements
14:10.49patrikumumpitzel: and it probably couldnt 'cause switching between vga's is a kernel thing rather than xserver being involved, i believe.
14:10.50jeepKBme: the best way is to compile your own .debs from source especially for something like apache that gets exploited & patched constantly eliminating some middle steps is better security in my opionion
14:10.53KBmei'm not talking about internal development projects
14:10.56jaamijeep i want to go through important updates now
14:10.57abrotmanneither am I
14:11.10dvsjaami: you're still installing?
14:11.25KBmejeep, sure, i agree, but then we get to my 2nd point, which is that debian packaging is a giant pita
14:11.33abrotmanalso incorrect
14:11.34jeepdvs: he finally got it !
14:11.40jaamidvs: lol... im lucky i got debian now
14:11.52jaamimannn, it took long time.
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14:12.12jeepjaami: you should hang that usb stick somewhere safe in a golden display case
14:12.15dvsjeep: Finally got a USB install to work?
14:12.22KBmeagain, ignoring the outside world because we are fanboys is not problem solving
14:12.36abrotmanagain, ignoring requirements is a developer/management problem
14:12.44jaami:) yeh really the usb is precious more than it was ever before
14:13.01KBmewhat requirements are you talking about?
14:13.08jumperswitchjeep: They write it only needs access to the repository. Alright. But they don't write how it install the packages. Does it use dpkg? Or does it simply untar them?
14:13.26abrotmanapparently this is over your head
14:13.51abrotmanKBme: anyway, what did you actually need help with?
14:13.53jaamithank you all of you, it was not possible for me to install debian without your help.
14:14.18KBmeabrotman, gpg (apt-key), but i found the answer in #gnupg
14:14.22dvsdoesnt understand how dd didn't work.
14:14.29abrotmanKBme: ah, #gnupg is good.
14:14.44jeepjumperswitch: im gonna guess it uses dpkg .. but i have not used it myself so i am not sure .. its a bash script open it in your favorite text editor and see
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14:14.49KBmeabrotman, i don't really want to flame or anything, but I feel like this is a real issue for debian, a lot of packaging has moved to ubuntu for this reason
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14:15.14abrotmanKBme: well, you can be wrong, that's your decision :)
14:15.31KBmeand i'm currently working on a solution with pinning, actually, which makes it relevant to me
14:15.37jumperswitchjeep: I opened it for fun but it is really much
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14:15.42jumperswitchjeep: thanks
14:15.42dvs-_-
14:16.00abrotmanKBme: Pinning is generally a poor solution that leads to crying, fair warning
14:16.01jumperswitchjeep: ok, it uses dpkg apparently
14:16.17jumperswitchjeep: alright, so they write it avoids apt, but it uses dpkg, hm
14:16.17KBmei started with trying to adapt source packages to stable, but porting many packages to stable is really big work
14:16.27jumperswitchso the dependency handling have been reinvented in debootstrap
14:17.02jeepjumperswitch: im sure it just downloads the packages then installs them with dpkg .. using a chroot so they all get placed in correct place
14:17.29jeepjumperswitch: dependencies are part of the .deb they list whats needed ..
14:17.32KBmeabrotman, yeah, i know, which is why I started off by trying to port packages, but I gave up when I got to 15 packages for *one* service
14:17.53jumperswitchjeep: so what does apt do then what dpkg doesn't? Downloading it?
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14:18.04abrotmanKBme: "port" ?
14:18.12KBmea whole team is needed for this kind of work, and I'm not payed to do that, i'm payed to deploy services
14:18.36KBmewell, port from jessie/sid to stable, meaning adapt dependencies when possible or porting dependencies back to stable aswell
14:19.00abrotman"backport" how?
14:19.08jeepjumperswitch: https://wiki.debian.org/Apt
14:19.37abrotmanKBme: maybe you sohuld state what you're actually trying to do
14:19.42KBmeget source package from jessie/sid/ubuntu, adapt dependencies, etc…
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14:20.06KBmeabrotman, one of the services would be the docker container system and openstack that uses it
14:20.21KBmethere are no packages for debian stable for either of these
14:21.06jumperswitchjeep: So apt replaces the dependency management of dpkg and uses it dpkg only for the installation / removal. But why hasn't they made the dpkg dependency management as powerful as it is in apt? Then dpkg could be used standalone?
14:22.32KBmeand I totally understand why they are not in stable, but still, there needs to be a way to install them on a debian stable base system
14:22.41abrotmandpkg: tell KBme about ssb
14:23.27jumperswitchdpkg: tell me about ssb
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14:23.33KBmeabrotman, yeah, that's basically what I was doing
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14:23.42abrotmanbasically? or exactly?
14:24.05jumperswitchSo debian provides the source for each package, too. So it could be considered as a binary-and/or-source-based distribution?
14:24.06KBmewell, so you will need build-deps for it
14:24.15KBmejumperswitch, yes.
14:24.34jeepjumperswitch: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg/index.html
14:24.43jumperswitchKBme: cool, so it includes everything like Gentoo / Archlinux then
14:24.46KBmethen you need to install the runtime-dependencies for it.
14:24.49abrotmanjumperswitch: there is a method to rebuild your entire distro with different compile flags
14:25.03KBmejumperswitch, debian source packages are much more complicated than those but yes
14:25.09jumperswitchcool
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14:26.08KBmeso you need to get the source package for the new runtime-deps of the package aswell
14:26.19KBmewhich is how I got to some 15 packages
14:26.23KBmeah well
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14:27.35abrotmanKBme: but you should be able do this in a more automated way than grabbing stuff manually
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14:27.53jumperswitchmultistrap-src would be a nice idea for a tool
14:28.19abrotmanwrite it
14:28.44KBmeabrotman, oh really? how?
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14:29.18acerspyroHello, what is the package name for openJDK?
14:29.28KBmenow this discussion is getting interesting, i was doing this exactly because ssb is hard to automate so you would need to set up a personal repository
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14:31.52xamberCan anyone spot anything wrong with this configuration? http://pastebin.com/JvCeFYPK
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14:33.47tbesHello I am using debian mint 15, was using my laptop for the last week without any issues, did not install any updates on the debian host.  I shut it down this morning, and now when I am trying to log back in, the keyboard and mouse are unresponsive at the login screen.  The keyboard works at bios/grub, and the mouse will work when i unplug and replug the USB back in.  After xserver starts in the boot process, a whole bunch of errors scr
14:33.57dvs!mint
14:33.58dpkgLinux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian.  Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support.  Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>.  See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
14:34.11tbesGot it thanks
14:34.26acerspyroYou guys still support squeeze PPC?
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14:34.36mumpitzel!tell acerspyro about install java
14:34.48acerspyroty
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14:36.19KBmeabrotman, you mean there should be a way to automate this or do you have a solution that makes it easier to automate?
14:36.43KBmeah, or that I should automate this in some way?
14:36.52KBmei wonder how though
14:36.59abrotmanKBme: pastebin the commands oyu're using with the 'ssb' info
14:37.20KBmeabrotman, i have given up on ssb a couple of months ago
14:37.31KBmebut i'll hang around on this channel and try again then
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14:39.11KBmeabrotman, interesting conversation though, thanks
14:39.32abrotmanup to you
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14:39.49KBmewell, i'm gonna try again with this info today
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14:40.39xamberCan anyone spot anything wrong with this configuration? http://pastebin.com/JvCeFYPK anyone?
14:40.55nkuttlerxamber: why do you ask?
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14:41.55xamberwell i can't connect to my minecraft server on port 25565.
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14:45.35xambernkuttler any idea?
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14:47.50dvssmashed .NET
14:48.05c0mrade__I've installed RealVNC. Now how can I make my linux box accessible remotely at the level of the login prompt. So when the system boots, I want to be able to remote access it and put the login and password.
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14:48.11marcin_Hi, does somebody here use munin 2.x.x and aggregated graphs?
14:49.46dvsc0mrade__: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/vncserver-load-on-startup-gray-screen-807043/
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14:50.39c0mrade__I don't want to just load it on startup.
14:51.10c0mrade__But I want to have remote access as soon as the login prompt appears. Until now, no one have supplied a detailed and understandable answer.
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14:51.25c0mrade__And I can't find a clear solution for that on the internet.
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14:52.10abrotmanc0mrade__: which version of Linux is this? there's no realvnc package in Debian
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14:52.32c0mrade__dvs: The thing you gave me acheives nothing but editing the rc.local file to make vncserver startup with the system. That's it.
14:52.48c0mrade__abrotman: It's BackTrack 5.
14:52.53abrotmanright, so ask them, not us
14:53.01abrotmanthis channel is for Debian support,not BT
14:53.12c0mrade__BackTrack is based on Debian.
14:53.13abrotmanc0mrade__: ask #backtrack-linux
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14:53.19dvsbacktracks on his answer
14:53.30abrotmanc0mrade__: we do not support backtrack here, try #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net
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15:04.15jubo2when I shut my new Debian7 system..
15:04.27jubo2it says something about a problem with pulse-audio
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15:05.25jubo2could this be related to the volume volume control buttons not working and maximum audio output being stuck on unusably low
15:05.42mtnjubo2: I think it is telling you pulse is set to per user, so not really a problem if that is what you are seeing.
15:05.53jubo2mtn: yeah that was it
15:06.04mtnjubo2: I see it too and all is well with my sound
15:06.30c0mrade_l
15:06.33c0mrade_So?
15:06.47c0mrade_Can I have remote access when the system boots and reaches the login prompt?
15:06.53c0mrade_Using RealVNC in Debian?
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15:07.30jubo2So at 100% the sound is really really low. this is ( along with the volume control buttons not affecting the output level, the graphic for changing the volume with the sideways bar of narrow boxes towards 100% full that displays ok
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15:08.10abrotmanc0mrade_: use #backtrack-linux, we support Debian here
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15:11.38lucideabrotman: bactrack is dead
15:12.04lucidejubo2:
15:12.45lucidei use alsamixer to set the maximum audio output
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15:13.57jubo2lucide: so 'sudo aptitude install alsamixer' ?
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15:14.41lucidejust try in terminal   'alsamixer'
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15:15.27lucideyou can see the Master volume control
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15:17.26jubo2lucide: I boot that machine to Linux now to see
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15:21.54MGMTis there a channel for awesome wm?
15:21.57Discordian93so after another ubuntu "upgrade" screwed up my install once again, i've switched to debian. Hello!
15:22.57jeepDiscordian93: hello
15:22.58acerspyroDiscordian93: hi
15:23.10Discordian93one question, do steam and dota 2 work here? I've installed succesfully the propietary nvida drivers
15:23.15jeepMGMT: are you using it now ?
15:23.24lucidesteam work's on debian
15:23.31MGMTjeep: kinda?  its default config is not so good lol
15:23.47lucidebut i don't use steam
15:23.49MGMTjeep: what makes it so your windows have - [] X ?
15:24.00jeepMGMT: i installed it last night when people were talking about didnt log out to try it yet
15:24.03Discordian93I guess you guys don't like steam, drm and all that
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15:24.23lucideindeed
15:24.31MGMTDiscordian93: I use steam, just built this from scratch last night, still working out some crazyness
15:24.35jeepDiscordian93: what is dota 2 ?
15:24.42unkmarMGMT: you mean the min, max, and close buttons?
15:24.48MGMTjeep: its like LoL
15:24.48Discordian93defense of the ancients 2, a game
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15:24.59MGMTunkmar: yeah
15:25.08MGMTunkmar: is that WM that does that?
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15:26.02acerspyroMGMT: it is the WM that does that, yes
15:26.28MGMTok.  Awesome doesn't have em by default
15:26.40MGMTor I did somethign wrong lol
15:26.48Discordian93hey, how can I use 32 bit binaries in a 64 bit debian?
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15:26.53jaamiadd/remove software cannot find xchat. what could be the reason?
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15:27.11jaamithere is no filter applied
15:27.15unkmarMGMT: using gnome-3?  you should have the close button by default.
15:27.26MGMTunkmar: Awesome WM
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15:28.37mtnDiscordian93: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch
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15:29.39jaamican someone help me to setup hotspot? there is error msg "firmware missing" and because of that missing firmware hotspot is not working
15:29.59abrotmanso install the firmware
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15:30.42jeepjaami: apt-cache search xchat doesnt show it ?
15:30.42jaamii have read the firmware detail but really, its a bit confusing for me. what command will show missing  firmwares?
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15:31.13jaamijeep: i did not know that command. let me try that
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15:31.34abrotmanjaami: which version of linux are you using?
15:31.40Discordian93mmm can't install steam
15:31.51Discordian93can't install dependency libc6
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15:31.55lucidejaami: try apt-get update before apt-cache xchat
15:32.01lucideapt-cache search xchat
15:32.05lucidesorry
15:32.29unkmarI don't see where to turn the min/max buttons on.
15:32.42Discordian93I guess I'll build libc6 from soutrce or something
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15:33.40abrotmanDiscordian93: that's a horrible idea
15:33.46Discordian93I know
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15:33.49mtnDiscordian93: you may have to run: apt-get -f install
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15:34.09Discordian93it's in the repos?
15:34.10abrotmanwatches Discordian93 brick his OS
15:34.11jaamiabrotman: that is good question, i have debian 7.0
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15:34.58Discordian93sorry, I'm a noob, I'm not a developer or anything, all this technical mumbo jumbo I've picked up from using linux for a good vfew years, but i do tend to brick my OSes lol
15:35.38mtnDiscordian93: take your time and read the docs.
15:35.44jaamilucide: that i what i was thinking, how to run update.
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15:35.54jaamithat is
15:35.56abrotmanhe told you
15:36.06Discordian93so how can I install steam if I can't install the dependency?
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15:38.38lucidejaami: this command update your sources.list database, but isn't update your system
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15:39.36lucideto UPGRADE your system, you must run ' apt-get dist-upgrade
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15:39.59savaskHello. I have Debian Wheezy installed on my Acer Aspire laptop but there is one weird thing about it. Every time I don
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15:40.05savaskUps
15:40.07mumpitzelDiscordian93: you cannot install steam on wheezy. that's all there is
15:40.18jaamilucide: the missing firmware will be resolved by updates?
15:40.32Discordian93:(
15:40.38MGMTmumpitzel: you just broke his heart
15:40.49lucidejaami: no
15:41.23savaskEvery time I don't do something for a couple of seconds and then start typing/clicking/etc.. I hear a weird "startup" sound and the whole thing lags for a moment. Can anyone, please, explain what can be the reason of this?
15:41.26mumpitzelDiscordian93: if you run testing then you can
15:41.28jaamilucide: ok, so first thing is the updates. right?
15:41.33lucidetry this apt-get -f install after apt-get update
15:41.40lucideyep
15:41.51Discordian93I'd switch to tetsing, but I get the feeling it'll brick the OS
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15:42.04Discordian93ubuntu 13.10 doesn't work on my comp
15:42.09Discordian93so tetsing might not, either
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15:42.54mumpitzelDiscordian93: and what doesn't work exactly? and what hardware is it?
15:43.03jeepsavask: is your harddrive sleeping ?
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15:43.12mumpitzellucide: has he installed debian to the hdd already?
15:43.12Discordian93please don't laugh, it was a gift: alienware x51
15:43.16jhutchinssavask: Probably the hard disk spinning back up.
15:43.33mumpitzelDiscordian93: tell us the actual hardware not a brandname. and more importantly, what didn't work
15:43.40savaskjeep, jhutchins: Does that mean that it stops and then starts again?
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15:43.50jhutchinsDiscordian93: ubuntu 13.10 has a LOT of problems.
15:43.59unkmarinstalling to usb.  Good or bad idea?
15:44.00jaamilucide: this output means updates are not needed?  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
15:44.04jhutchinsDiscordian93: More than I've seen on jessie, but jessie isn't finished yet.
15:44.10mumpitzelunkmar: depends on the reason
15:44.16Discordian93I don't know what "the actual hardware" is, can I look it up somewhere?
15:44.24lucideokk
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15:44.31lucidetry apt-get install xchat
15:44.37jhutchinsmumpitzel: Does steam need a newer or older base?
15:44.44abrotmanthere is a #steamlug
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15:44.59unkmarto use as a tool
15:45.11mumpitzeljhutchins: needs newer libs. e.g. jessie libc6
15:45.12jeepDiscordian93: lspci should show all you need
15:45.14jaamilucide: error: Unable to locate package xchat
15:45.38jhutchinsunkmar: I built a USB install yesterday, disk lag is pretty awfull.
15:45.53mumpitzeljhutchins: since it#s closed source you cannot fix steam and replacing libc6 isn't exactly a good idea either. so it's easier to run just jessie
15:46.03Discordian93Intel® Core™ i5-2320 CPU @ 3.00GHz × 4 geforce 545, ubuntu 13.10's nvidia propietary drivers don't work and kill the XServer or whatever the gui-thingy platform is, and I don't wnna juse a command-line system :P
15:46.11lucideyou get only one error ?
15:46.20jhutchinsmumpitzel: Right, I was just wondering.  Sometimes a commercial build will be for an older release and won't work on current.
15:46.20unkmarjhutchins: as bad as a live ubuntu DVD ?
15:46.47lucidemumpitzel: yes he installed debian already
15:46.49jhutchinsunkmar: Possibly worse, I haven't compared.  I used wheezy.
15:47.13lucidei guess
15:47.16Discordian93also, ubuntu 12.04 doesn't work either
15:47.25jaamilucide: there only one error i pasted before
15:47.26Discordian93after installing it doesn't boot, though the livecd works
15:47.35mumpitzelunkmar: you mean troubleshoot other PCs? for that it's not too bad, but I suggest to use YUMI and a few live cds of your choice instead
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15:48.28lucidejaami: try 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list'
15:48.31lucideand paste on http://paste.debian.net/
15:49.22Discordian93i'm so tired of ubuntu, 13.04 worked wonders these 6 months, I thought I'd never have to suffer this bullshit again, anyway, installing steam is not a priority right now, and at least debian works, I'll try testing and see if I can install steam there
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15:50.28unkmarof my choice.  That's part of the problem.  debian is my choice and it doesn't exist.  I say it doesn't exist, because I have never gotten any of the so called live debians CD/DVD to boot.  Only the installer files.
15:50.32jaamilucide: http://paste.debian.net/59861/
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15:51.36mumpitzelunkmar: do you have a windows to work with?
15:51.44lucidejaami: debian cd is in the cd drive
15:52.12jaamilucide: it was usb , should i plug in usb?
15:52.19unkmarI'm working on a debian now.  It is a freaking XP system I'm attempting to repair.  mumpitzel And thank you for helping me.
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15:52.39jeepjaami: you need to add some online repos in
15:52.41lucideyep jaami so debian have access to internet ?
15:52.53mumpitzelunkmar: YUMI is unfortunately a windows program. but very helpful in putting many linux distros and system repair tools onto a single USB stick, if it's big enough
15:53.07lucidejeep: only if he had access on internet
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15:53.37jaamilucide: during setup of debian, repo was not accessible
15:53.38mumpitzeljaami: ping -c 4 google.com    does this work?
15:53.53Discordian93one question, if the worst happens on testing and the xorg crashes, is there any way to go into the command line and revert to stable? I guess not
15:54.09mumpitzelDiscordian93: you cannot downgrade,no
15:54.15mumpitzelDiscordian93: what videocard do you have?
15:54.19MGMTmy netbooks wireless seems slow, how can I check to make sure I have the right driver installed?
15:54.23Discordian93geforce 545
15:54.33jaamimumpitzel: 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3003ms
15:54.43mumpitzeljaami: great. you have internet then
15:54.52mumpitzel!wheezy sources.list
15:54.52dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
15:54.57userjust booted Debian 7 from a USB, VLC is there, but does not run.  Err msg is: main libvlc error: No plugins found! Check your VLC installation.  how do i use apt to find the debian meta package for VLC, assuming there is one?
15:55.02jaamiyes, im chating
15:55.19mumpitzeluser: apt-cache search vlc
15:55.25jaamiok
15:55.26jeepjaami: here is mine http://paste.debian.net/59864
15:55.41jhutchinsuser: aptitude -f install
15:55.55jhutchinsuser: What did you use for an image?
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15:56.15Discordian93build tools are in build-esential like in ubuntu right?
15:56.38jaamimumpitzel: libbluray1 - Blu-ray disc playback support library (shared library)
15:56.44jhutchinsMGMT: If it works at all it's most likely the right driver.  dmesg | less and look for messages about it.
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15:57.16mumpitzeljaami: that apt-cache command wasn't for you
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15:57.28userjhutchins: i Used the "YUMI" tool to create a multiboot USB, YUMI seems to get its ISO images from the official websites.
15:57.42mumpitzeljaami: you should edit your sources.list with  "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" as root
15:57.54userjhutchins: uname -a is Linux debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.41-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux
15:58.20mumpitzeluser: it does
15:58.56lucidejaami: have you edit your sources.list
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15:59.18usermumpitzel: thanks.
15:59.33jaamii think i am supposed to uncomment the two security links
15:59.41MGMTwhoever sugguested awesome wm, thanks, this is so awesome!  I thought installing a base install of debian and getting the packages I needed would be hard, but it was pretty easy
15:59.42wjtaylor_mem 12333960k total, 11063888k used, 1260772k free, 183180k buffers... I have one vm open with 1gb of physical ram for it and a browser with about 20 tabs open... should this really eat up that much mem?
15:59.52lucideyep
15:59.57jaamiok
16:00.09userOK, apt-cache search vlc doesn't show any meta packages.  I seem to recall there is a list of meta packages somewhere?
16:00.46jhutchins,versions vlc
16:00.47juddPackage: vlc on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.0.3-5~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2.0.3-5; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 2.0.5-1~bpo60+1; jessie: 2.0.8-1+b2; sid: 2.0.8-1+b2; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.0.8-dmo5; sid-multimedia: 1:2.1.0-dmo5
16:00.52lucidejaami: and comment the cdrom line
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16:01.27jhutchinsuser: Want to post your sources.list to paste.debian.net?
16:01.47userok. is that under /etc somewhere?
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16:02.16jeepMGMT: im gonna have to switch and try it i guess
16:02.45jaamilucide: cd rom is already commented. but here i dont see shotcut key to delete the # sign to uncomment
16:03.18userhttp://paste.debian.net/59866/
16:03.23userjhutchins: http://paste.debian.net/59866/
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16:04.00jiohdijust re-installed deb 7 everything seems ok except that it does not recognize my head phones other than turning off the external speaker
16:04.14jiohdiany ideas?
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16:05.20lucidejaami: if you use nano, just press backspace
16:05.24jaamilucide: commented cd rom line and uncommented two link lines.
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16:06.14jaamithe two lines of security.debian......
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16:07.08lucidejaami: your sources.list should be like this : http://paste.debian.net/59868/
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16:07.31lucide(replace testing, by wheezy or stable)
16:07.35abrotmanprobably not
16:07.47abrotmandpkg: tell jaami about wheezy sources.list
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16:08.09abrotmanjaami: use the sources the bot gave you, the ones lucide gave you are incorrect for your system
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16:08.41lucideabrotman: i say "should be like"
16:08.46jaamiok
16:09.10abrotmanlucide: and to an inexperienced user, what does
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16:09.13abrotmanlucide: and to an inexperienced user, what does "like" mean
16:09.24abrotmanbesides, you have sources people may not want in there
16:09.30abrotman(for legal reasons)
16:11.05MGMTjeep: you like it?
16:11.13lucideabrotman: indeed
16:11.18jeepMGMT: yeah i think i do
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16:11.49MGMTjeep: do you know how to use the hot keys?
16:12.02jeepnot yet just opened the man page
16:12.05nezZarioAny idea why netselect-apt doesn't include the security updates?
16:12.32MGMTjeep: http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/My_first_awesome  <--- read the first few paragraphs that a lot of bold Mod4+'s
16:12.44MGMTthat covers a ton real quick
16:13.17MGMTjeep: I really like it... its a WM that just gets out of your way
16:14.03xamberSimplified question, how do i allow all traffic between eth0 and eth1 from wan to lan and back. Any help is much appreciated.
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16:14.43abrotmanxamber: there is a #netfilter for these sorts of questions
16:15.14jeepMGMT: yeah i think i could get into this
16:15.14xamberperfect, thanks abrotman ! <3
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16:15.47MGMTjeep: it might end up following me to work lol
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16:23.35FarisHi. When I try running mplayer, it tells me that it's missing libmsrpc3.so. How may I fix that?
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16:26.06jaami/etc/apt/sources.list -->   http://paste.debian.net/59878/   and now i can run this?  apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
16:26.44mnsFaris: http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/bug-722615-libmsrpc3-so-cannot-open-shared-object-file-no-such-file-directory-help-212530452.html   based on that I'd say you need samba-common-bin
16:27.31jaamilucide: i can run this? apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
16:27.51lucideapt-get dist-upgrade
16:27.57jaamiok
16:28.07lucideapt-get upgrade does not exist
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16:28.19jaamiok
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16:29.34lucideohh jaami wait
16:29.34Farismns: thanks, I'll try it out
16:30.37lucidejaami:  add this line deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main
16:30.44lucideto your sources list
16:30.49jaamii have execute the upgrade ---> http://paste.debian.net/59880/
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16:31.19lucidebut your sources.list miss this line deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main
16:31.23lucide'deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main'
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16:31.33jaamiok, i add it
16:31.51lucideand then apt-get update
16:31.55lucideand apt-get dist-upgrade
16:32.22lucideand apt-get -f install
16:32.33lucideheu apt-get install xchat
16:32.34lucidesorry
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16:33.23jaamimouse right click cleared chat by mistake, please type the missing  deb command again
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16:33.57lucideafter editing and add 'deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main' to your sources.list
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16:34.01lucideapt-get update
16:34.06lucideapt-get dist-upgrade
16:34.20jaamithank you
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16:37.15nezZariowho the hell wrote netselect-apt
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16:37.26nezZariobecause i'm going to find you, and punch you in the throat
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16:37.42nezZarioit's almost a very useful piece of software
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16:38.21Agiofwshello i want to install a deb package of the developers site of an application instead of installing it through synaptic because its version gives me an error is there any way of doing this safely ?
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16:38.36nezZariountil who ever wrote it must've gotten really high on bath salts and decided not to include the security updates (or any option) and also you can't specify arbitrary distribution names
16:38.44mumpitzelAgiofws: depends on the error
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16:38.56mumpitzelAgiofws: so install it with dpkg and tell us the error if there is any
16:39.35Agiofwsmumpitzel,  incopatibility error debians mencoder  was not compiled with lame options included something like that
16:39.42Agiofwsok
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16:42.14Agiofwsok atleast its working now ...
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16:43.08jhutchins!dmm
16:43.08dpkgdeb-multimedia.org (formerly debian-multimedia.org) is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality.  See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm squeeze>.  Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines.  See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>.
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16:43.31jhutchinsAgiofws: You may find that interesting.
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16:49.46Marius80hi
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16:50.19Marius80I got a problem with the program "hugin" and would like to ask for help
16:50.32grimetonMarius80: don't ask to ask just ask
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16:50.53Marius80hugin always crashes when the second window (the one with the preview) opens
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16:51.08Marius80the syslog told me something about a segfault (segmentation fault)
16:51.34grimetonsounds like a bug
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16:51.43grimetonis everything else running fine?
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16:51.54Marius80since the version of hugin is not sooo new (2011.4.0)  I tried to compile from source since there is a 2013 rc2  one
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16:52.19Marius80grimeton, yes,  it's a rock solid debian wheezy installation  which had been configured by myself
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16:52.38grimetonMarius80: yeah, then it's a bug in huge
16:52.45grimetonhugin
16:52.59Marius80When I tried to compile hugin from source,  I ran into the problem of unsolveable dependencies - well, I am sure the dependencies *can* be solved,  but I gave up after 4 hours
16:52.59abrotmanMarius80: ddi you check the BTS?
16:53.13Marius80is there any workaround?   the windows version did not work in wine
16:53.15grimetonas you compiled it from source you should ask for help upstream
16:53.21Marius80abrotman, sorry, what is BTS?
16:53.32lucidejaami: all is good ?
16:53.36abrotmanMarius80: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=638029 sound familiar?
16:53.46Marius80grimeton, actually I did *not* compile from source ... as I said,  I gave up compiling from source
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16:53.55grimetonMarius80: then check the BugTrackingSystem
16:53.57toStringhi all
16:54.18tp76Hi.  "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libgstreamer0.10-0'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)" when "apt-get dist-upgrade" on squeeze to wheezy.  I've run with "-o APT::Immediate-Configure=0" as suggested in the upgrade guide but no change.  How do I fix this?
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16:54.44Marius80abrotman, still reading...
16:54.53abrotmanMarius80: see there's also a workaround in tha tbug
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16:55.27Marius80abrotman, interesting,  the person also uses a Nikon D90
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16:56.03Marius80abrotman, is LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=1  the workaround?
16:56.17abrotmanseems to be
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16:57.15Marius80abrotman, thank you very much,  actually it is my bad that I did not read the thread until the end.... exactly this post was the post I found yesterday,  then I thought "ok, a bug,  how can I get a newer version"
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16:57.29Marius80abrotman, sorry that I've bothered you,  I should have kept reading the post yesterday
16:57.45Marius80thank you very much for taking time to help me,  I will try to run hugin with the variable now
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16:58.20abrotmanMarius80: good luck
16:58.33Marius80thank you ;)
16:58.39jaamilucide: many connection errors are for just security.debian.org:80; update is runing; waiting to paste output
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17:01.46Marius80bye bye :)
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17:03.21jhutchinsIt's been so long since I built a new system - what's the trick for aptitude reporting that the LANGUAGE is not set?
17:03.45grimetonconfigure your locales
17:04.21MGMTif I want a gui wireless scanner, what do I install?
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17:05.31ferrisI was able to install debian on my win8 system but now the win8 will not boot. If I run the repair then it will remove grub and windows will load... but then I am not able to boot back into debian. Grub lists all operating systems (debian/windows/recovery/ etc). How can I fix this booting issue?
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17:06.21jhutchins# dpkg-reconfigure locales
17:06.23jhutchinsperl: warning: Setting locale failed.
17:06.49grimetonjhutchins: did you relogin?
17:06.53grimetonafter the configure?
17:07.13mowgl3yHi #debian. I installed the standard debian iso without any DEs. how do i setup my wireless? can you link me to the necessary packages?
17:07.42abrotmanmowgl3y: which wireless chipset?
17:08.30mowgl3yi abrotman: broadcom. i have installed the driver during the installation but couldnt configure the network.
17:08.42abrotmanand you can't figure it now ?
17:08.55mowgl3yno :/
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17:09.17ferrisi have changed the bios to legacy boot and disabled secure boot
17:09.59mowgl3yi mean the firmware is installed but how do i connect. is there something like wifi-menu in debian?
17:10.33abrotmanin CLI or GUI?
17:10.46mowgl3yCLI
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17:11.07mowgl3yi installed the standard debian iso. i have no DEs.
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17:11.22abrotmanyou can setup the interfaces file with WPA options
17:11.34jhutchinsgrimeton: No, it gave that error in response to the dpkg-reconfigure command.
17:12.03grimetonjhutchins: hm, do a relogin and try again, did the command generate locales?
17:12.28mowgl3yabrotman: ok ill try it.
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17:12.29jhutchinsgrimeton: Did not appear to .
17:12.39grimetonjhutchins: then you haven't configured any locales
17:13.09jhutchinsRight.
17:13.12jhutchinslocale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
17:13.33grimetonjhutchins: run dpkg-reconfigure locales again and then select your locales
17:13.38grimetonin the end it will generate 'em
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17:14.09abrotmandpkg: tell Pikudoz about root
17:14.54jhutchinsgrimeton: I think I'm probably missing a package - this was a debootstrap install.
17:15.23grimetonjhutchins: hm, does dpkg-reconfigure locales give you a menu?
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17:15.45mjthello.  I'm trying to request a second IP address over DHCP for my eth interface from my isp.  For this I need to "bind" another mac-address and run second dhcp-client.  Which construct is that -- bridge? macvlan? something else?
17:16.04jhutchinsgrimeton: locales is not installed.
17:16.13grimetonjhutchins: then install it
17:16.47grimetonmjt: easiest way would be a bridge with a dummy interface holding the 2nd mac address
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17:17.17mjtgrimeton: the prob is that bridge iface will be the "main" one, and it will have just one mac.
17:17.25jhutchinsgrimeton: Yep.
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17:17.57grimetonmjt: you need two mac addresses for two ip address and then it will have only one mac? that doesn't make sense
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17:18.05mjtit looks like macvlan is designed like *exactly* for my purpose ;)
17:18.05XfaulzHow can I change the SSH's "Access Denied" message to something else when somebody attempts an failed login?
17:18.35jhutchinsXfaulz: Like what?  Why?
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17:18.49grimetonXfaulz: afaik you can't, but there are banners that can be set
17:19.00Xfaulzjhutchins: that's kinda personal, friend.
17:19.05mjtgrimeton: there's no way to configure ip-level parameters on a component of a bridge, so even after adding dummy to a bridge i'll have to configure bridge still, and any sane dhcp client will get mac address from that bridge not from dummy iface.
17:19.09Xfaulzjhutchins: all I asked you, is how can I change it.
17:19.16Xfaulzgrimeton: why can't I?
17:19.37grimetonmjt: if you tell the dhcp client to use the dummy interface ...
17:19.41jhutchinsXfaulz: Intrigue me.  Motivate me to find the answer for you.
17:19.42abrotmanXfaulz: recompile the package
17:19.47grimetonXfaulz: get the source, change it, be happy
17:19.55Xfaulzabrotman: how can I add a banner?
17:20.06mjtgrimeton: sure, i can tell second dhclient to use dummy, but any ip-level stuff it will configure there wont work
17:20.13XfaulzI want to give a message, if somebody attempts an failed login.
17:20.14grimetonmjt: why?
17:20.21abrotmanXfaulz: man sshd_config, those are the options you have, good luck
17:20.27mjtgrimeton: it is the way kernel bridging works
17:20.40grimetonmjt: aha, tell me more
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17:20.49mjtgrimeton: all ip addresses/routes/etc should be configured on the bridge not component devices. but i repeat myself
17:21.16jhutchinsabrotman: Is that message from ssh or from PAM?
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17:21.30mjtgrimeton: it has been sorted out in 2.6.38 or so, -- before that it was possible to configure component interfaces too
17:21.51abrotmanif it's from PAM, he'd have less of a chance
17:22.06abrotmanI thought PAM just returned a success response
17:22.15grimetonmjt: are you here to make this work or to discuss "sorted out stuff" ?
17:22.54mjtgrimeton: sorry i don't understand your question.  but i'm not "there" (will not be in a minute or two), -- i'll go reconfigure my router.
17:23.05grimetonmjt: yeah, do that
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17:24.03mjtgrimeton: as for this topic (configuring ip addresses on component interfaces vs configuring it on a bridge) -- it's been quite often asked question here and in #qemu and in #kvm (where bridges are used often)
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17:24.20ferrishave any of you had success with boot-repair being used on win8 and debian?
17:24.28mjtgrimeton: i described it all in details countless number of times already, including _why_ it has been done this way :)
17:24.40grimetonmjt: *yawn*
17:24.46mjtyeah :)
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17:29.04mjtok. it worked just fine with macvlan, very easy -- add a macvlan iface, set any mac address on it, and run dhcp client on it.
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17:33.47mowgl3yabrotman: cheers. i am online.
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17:35.17grimetonmjt: yeah, and if the isp filters vlan ids you're screwed...
17:35.45mjtthere's no vlan ids involved
17:36.01mjtit is a pseudo-vlan, mac-based
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17:36.49grimetonit's a layer 2 alias...
17:36.54grimetonwhat a name for an alias
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17:39.18mjtsysRPL: so just install earlier version from snapshot.d.o maybe? :)
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17:48.45wjtaylor_mem 12333960k total, 11063888k used, 1260772k free, 183180k buffers... I have one vm open with 1gb of physical ram for it and a browser with about 20 tabs open... should this really eat up that much mem?
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17:50.01mumpitzelwjtaylor_: run "top", press "M"
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17:50.56mumpitzelhoonta: probably your /dev/dsp is fault/not configured properly
17:51.08wjtaylor_5.8% for vbox and 8.4% for firefox.
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17:51.14wjtaylor_what is /dev/dsp?
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17:51.23mumpitzelwjtaylor_: OSS sound device. legacy
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17:51.40wjtaylor_I wouldn't doubt it, I've had problems in the past with it.
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17:52.17mumpitzelwjtaylor_: does /dev/dsp exist? what does lsmod |grep snd say?
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17:52.36wjtaylor_my cpu reads 102%, but I have 4 cores. Does it go up to 400%?
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17:53.11wjtaylor_mumpitzel: yes, no such dir
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18:07.41saveandload_can i advertise here?
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18:08.20ompauluser1: why are you asking about kubuntu in two debian  channels
18:08.23mjtsaveandload_: not, this channel is for debian support
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18:09.13user1ompaul,  because i saw that error in debian too. once
18:09.18ompaulsaveandload_: it's debian or nothing something to do with a culture of using debian or not using debian which would not be here but where your value of "not using debian" equals the channel name for whatever you are using
18:09.54ompauluser1: well on your kubuntu we won't know please use a kubuntu / ubuntu channel
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18:13.29angsapt-get update outputs this error FATAL -> Failed to fork. when it finishes the source reading 100%
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18:13.47angsanyone know how can I solve it
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18:14.14angsI have just installed wheezy
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18:24.59r83hi all
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18:26.44r83i have problems with flash player : i installed the package flashplayer-non free and have it there : /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so  iceweasel shows it perfectly in about:plugins, *but* flash is not working... Any ideas to solve this problem please ?
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18:27.29r83googling for this problem for half an hour any help appreciated
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18:28.07abrotmannot working where?
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18:31.54Sargonhllo
18:31.57Sargonhello*
18:32.21lucideSargon, if you have a question, just askà
18:32.29jumperswitch_hi
18:32.33Sargonhow can I get all repos available in my synaptic software manager?? and why is it not available by default?
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18:32.53jumperswitch_So for having a local repository which should mirror a subset from the official repository, one could use squid (squid-deb-conf) or rather an own package repository.
18:32.57jumperswitch_What is more recommendable?
18:33.03ompaulr83: so you didn't su - (to become root) and then vi /etc/apt/sources.list and add "contrib non-free"  to all lines in the file where the debian repo is and then do apt-get update && apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
18:33.13abrotmanjumperswitch_: why would you want such a thing ?
18:33.27abrotmanSargon: all which repos?
18:34.01jumperswitch_abrotman: well, when installing many lxc system containers using multistrap I want to download the packages only once. Or when installing a new vm from scratch.
18:34.03r83ompaul, course i did that, what else ?
18:34.06Sargonlike vls, firefox, espeak, chromium, ...
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18:34.09ompaulabrotman: I'll bet 3¢ on it being contrib and non-free that's what I'll bet :-)
18:34.12abrotmandpkg: tell jumperswitch_ about approx
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18:34.16abrotmanSargon: vlc?
18:34.28abrotmandpkg: tell Sargon about iceweasel
18:34.29jumperswitch_abrotman: a proxy I already got, is reprepro a proxy, too or is it again something different?
18:34.30Sargonin older versions I always could install thos directly after the system installation
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18:34.33ompaulr83: restart your browser and it usually works
18:34.36r83abrotman, no, flash is not working ... In the browser i get no flash animation anywhere
18:34.43r83ompaul, done already :(
18:34.45abrotmanjumperswitch_: approx is probably what you want
18:34.55abrotmanor apt-cacher or apt-cacher-ng
18:35.01ompaulr83: what version of debian are you running?
18:35.05abrotmanhas had the most luck with approx
18:35.08r83i tried to install cromium and the same happens
18:35.10r83ompaul, stable
18:35.18jumperswitch_abrotman: what is reprepro?
18:35.20r83*chromium
18:35.26abrotmanr83: did you run 'update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" ?
18:35.31abrotmanjumperswitch_: it has a package description
18:35.41r83abrotman, done already too :(
18:35.46r83sorry ... :(
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18:35.59ompaulr83: please be more specific which stable from where i.e. what does    cat /etc/debian_version
18:36.22r83ompaul, 7.2
18:36.39Sargonis there something like http://debian.org.... which I can add to repository list?
18:36.39ompaulr83: and what arch
18:36.47r83ompaul, x86
18:36.58abrotmani386 or amd64?
18:37.03r83i386
18:37.07mumpitzel!tell sargon about wheezy.sources.list
18:37.18SargonI use 64 with debian 7.2
18:37.51ompaulr83: just on the off chance do this:     apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
18:38.04ompaulr83: does that offer any packages?
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18:38.05r83heh, done already :(
18:38.10ompaulr83: today?
18:38.18r8310 minutes ago
18:38.25abrotmanany held back?
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18:38.49r83nothing held back abrotman
18:39.16ompaulr83: ok using   http://paste.debian.net/   please insert the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list and if there are any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/  I want it all
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18:39.18r83i just rechecked ...
18:39.34ompaulwith file names
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18:40.02r83nothing relevant in these files, lemm try something
18:40.22ompaulr83: I'll be the judge of that, and as I can't be I don't think I can do anything else.
18:40.58Sargonno, it doesnt give new packages
18:41.12Sargoni need to know the address of the repository please
18:41.13mumpitzelSargon: which packages are you missing exactly?
18:41.21mumpitzelI just gave you the address
18:41.25mumpitzelwell, dpkg did
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18:42.03Sargonthe repository where I can find, firefox, vlc media player, chromium, espeak, 0ad... all important stuff
18:42.15ompaulthere is no firefox
18:42.20ompaulvlc is there
18:42.29mumpitzelbut vlc is in the repos dpkg messaged you about
18:42.30ompaulapt-get update ; apt-get install vlc
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18:43.24ompaulSargon: one person's important does not work on a webserver :)
18:43.30abrotmandid Sargon pastebin his sources yet?
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18:43.33Sargondpkg didnt send me the repo
18:43.34dpkgSargon: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
18:43.52abrotmanSargon: use paste.debian.net, show us `apt-cache policy' please
18:43.52mumpitzelabrotman: not yet, no. he asked for the repo tho
18:44.00elkingreyI copied several files at the same time to a thumb drive and only one of them disappeared once finished. The rest all seem stuck at the very end of the file. What gives? http://i.imgur.com/UEZv8QA.jpg
18:44.02ompaulabrotman: no, nor did the OP
18:44.24abrotmanelkingrey: did you let it sync or umount it before ripping it from the socket?
18:44.59elkingreyabrotman: The thumb drive is still in the USB port. I haven't touched anything.
18:45.05mumpitzelis there a way to mount usb devices without a write cache by default?
18:45.14ompaulelkingrey:   try typing sync
18:45.17Sargonhere http://paste.debian.net/59922/
18:45.31elkingreyompaul? Just sync? In the terminal?
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18:45.52ompaulelkingrey: yes when it returns from that you should type mount and be able to umount
18:46.02mumpitzelSargon: you have no wheezy main repo. and using debian.org directly is a bad idea. please use the sources.list dpkg messaged you
18:46.04ompaulmount to see what its called
18:46.14acerspyroHello, will an iMac G3 run Minecraft under Debian with 1 GB of RAM?
18:46.32acerspyroAnd a fast HDD
18:46.33ArtyGacerspyro, I don't think PPC is supported by Minecraft anymore.
18:46.36Sargoncan he message me them again, I didnt recieve
18:46.47acerspyroArtyG: it is
18:46.49mumpitzel!tell Sargon about wheezy sources.listz
18:46.50mumpitzel!tell Sargon about wheezy sources.list
18:46.51acerspyroJava
18:47.06ArtyGacerspyro, https://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/884921-minecraft-java-5-and-powerpc-support
18:47.07Sargonstill doesnt work
18:47.16mumpitzel!wheezy sources.list
18:47.16dpkgA suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main".  Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list.  Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list".
18:47.18elkingreyompaul. I typed sync. It appears to be hung. How long should I wait?
18:47.26ompaulelkingrey: as long as it takes
18:47.30Sargondpkg Sargon about wheezy sources.list
18:47.31dpkgbugger all, i dunno, Sargon
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18:47.32ompaulelkingrey: - that is a serious answer
18:47.54elkingreyk
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18:48.28elkingreyompaul: Cool, two of the four files have disappeared now. Just waiting on two more. Seems to be working.
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18:48.43elkingreyompaul: Why does this sort of thing happen?
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18:49.05ompaulelkingrey: it is just waiting on the files to be flushed from ram - it happens because you try to copy too much in parallel but it shouldn't
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18:49.31elkingreyompaul: Okay, will try to be respectful towards my RAM in the future. hah!
18:49.37ompaulelkingrey: your machine buffers stuff and goes into a wait state
18:50.23ompaulelkingrey: it has a lot to do with what you are writing to also think about all the activities involved from the first read of a block to the time the last block is written and you can sync and remote
18:50.25ompaulremove
18:50.38Sargonworks now :) thanks for help
18:50.44ompaulelkingrey: sync forces the writing to be flushed to disk
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18:53.05abrotmanor running umount
18:53.27elkingreyompaul: Okay, all files have disappeared from operations now! Thanks!
18:53.28ompaulyeah but it feels rough :)
18:53.48ompaulelkingrey: umount and away you disconnect
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18:54.00ompaulelkingrey: it was your machine that did it :)
18:54.10elkingreyompaul: I just hit the remove button from my sys tray
18:54.40ompaulgui tools for disks - I don't know if I will ever approve
18:55.17elkingreyompaul: Hmm, that didn't seem to do it. So, I clicked on my files and then clicked the unmount button, which seems to have worked.
18:55.32elkingreyompaul: I know, need to move away from gui, learn command line
18:56.30ompaulelkingrey: today --- umount /mounted/partition   find out what just mounted by typing mount before you plug in the USB and then mount after you do that
18:56.41ompaulelkingrey: as root - it really is that simple
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18:59.49angsapt-get update outputs FATAL -> FAiled to fork on wheezy
19:00.05angshow can I solve it (without need to increase of the ram)?
19:00.12r83ompaul, http://paste.debian.net/59926/
19:00.23angson the idle state, top shows that mem usage is 2%
19:01.02r83i think this plugins lacks memory to run
19:01.03abrotmanangs: does 'aptitude update' fail the same way?
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19:01.28r83i have only few MB free and the swap of course
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19:01.34angsit is running now
19:01.47r83maybe flash needs more and does fit well with swap ...
19:01.59jeepanyone know what might cause the gui file managers thunar and pcmanfm to error when trying to copy/delete files from a fuse mounted iphone "operation Not supported by backend" use cp and rm works fine
19:02.07r83thats the only explanation i could have ...
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19:03.08r83shown in about:plugins     libflashplayer.so  Version : 11,2,202,310    Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202
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19:03.46angsabortman, it failed with the same error.
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19:03.50r83thaks all bye
19:03.57abrotmanangs: use a pastebin to show us
19:04.19angsit is only one line  output FATAL -> Failed to fork.
19:04.59angsit did not show any list
19:05.47MGMTI did a netinstall, but now I need something I can use to open up a wireless connection from the GUI, any sugguestions?
19:05.56angsI have only deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free and deb-src http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free on my sources.list
19:06.08jeepMGMT: wicd
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19:06.58angswicd is good only if you are not going to use two network interfaces at the same time
19:08.21abrotmanangs: i meant the output from aptitude update
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19:09.28MGMTangs: what do you mean two network interfaces?
19:09.37angsabrotman, aptitude update does not output anything when I run it, it waits for couple minutes without outputting anything, then it outputs the error message
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19:11.43angsMGMT, e.g., if you are connected to your AP via the wifi interface and would like to connect to another device or network via ethernet interface, but wicd will not allow you to connect the second networkd
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19:12.20angsit does not support to use two network interface simultaneously
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19:13.27MGMTwicd doesn't seem to find any networks
19:13.50angshow many wireless interfaces do you have?
19:13.56MGMTjust wlan0
19:14.11angsdo you use the correct driver?
19:14.25MGMTI was just messing with /etc/network/interfaces  and /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
19:14.37MGMTdo I have to remove stuff from those?
19:14.59angsif you are going to use wicd, you don't need to deal with them
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19:15.16MGMTangs: so remove what I put in those?
19:15.45angsfirst of all, you don't need wpa_supplicant.conf at all
19:15.54MGMTill remove that then
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19:16.03angsfor the ../interfaces
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19:16.44angsyou can just leave auto lo
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19:16.52angsand iface lo inet loopback
19:17.01MGMTangs: so remove the one I put in there for wlan0?
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19:19.35angsMGMT,  you can keep wlan0
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19:20.12angsbut what config did you type there?
19:21.55MGMTangs figured it out... had to add wlan0 to the preferences wireless iface box
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19:22.17jumperswitch_So I edited the /etc/environment and added a key-value pair to it: TEST="test"
19:22.20jumperswitch_However, when I call echo $TEST, I get nothing
19:22.22jumperswitch_So /etc/environment seems to be ignored altough it is already there in that distribution
19:22.30jumperswitch_When I export it using   export TEST="test"   echo works
19:23.06angsMGMT, that's good.
19:23.46abrotmanjumperswitch_: did you relogin ?
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19:24.59jumperswitch_abrotman: yes
19:25.09we6jboIs there a Debian distro that's geared toward someone that will need a Gnome desktop but will primarly be using the system remotely for 99% of the time?
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19:26.41jumperswitch_we6jbo: you mean a thin client
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19:27.21MGMTangs: jeep: thanks!  its working
19:28.23jeepwe6jbo: yes debian
19:28.24we6jbojumperswitch_: Well it's a Dell Precision T3600 but I won't be at the system itself and will instead be using the tools on my netbook with Ubuntu to login to it
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19:29.03jumperswitch_we6jbo: yes, you can relay the x-window system over a network
19:29.04we6jboand I know most linux distros can do that but I was wondering if there's a specific distro that is more geared towards doing those tasks
19:29.07jumperswitch_we6jbo: I mean the client access
19:29.17we6jbolike out of the box type
19:29.22jumperswitch_we6jbo: well, a thin client is such a thing, but I don't know if you want it so thin
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19:30.29jumperswitch_any ideas?
19:30.33jumperswitch_Because it is frustrating
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19:31.13we6jboIt does not have to be a thin client
19:31.37MGMTyou'll have to probably generate xauth stuff for that
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19:31.47MGMTtook me a bit to figure that bit out
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19:36.31mah454I can not download Java7API from oracle web site , Can you download this for me ?
19:37.28abrotmanfor you?
19:38.19mah454yes , I need mirror link
19:38.28mah454yes , I need mirror link (abrotman)
19:38.51MGMTanyone know what makes passwd decide how long your password has to be?
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19:41.07abrotmanMGMT: /etc/login.defs IIRC
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19:41.37abrotmanmah454: not sure I understand, what's the problem?
19:42.47mah454abrotman: Oracle blocked my contry , and I can not download from this website .
19:43.02mah454abrotman: can you help me ? I need Java 7 API
19:43.32jeepmah454: your whole country is blocked ? where you from
19:43.42mah454jeep: Iran
19:44.04jeepo.0
19:44.17mah454Oracle blocked over 35 years my country .
19:44.27mah454sorry for bad english
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19:44.58mah454can you help me ?
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19:47.23jeepmah454: my goverment is very oppressive and may attack me if i help you
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19:47.59mah454jeep: thank you , I find mirror !
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19:49.24jeepmah454: ok no problem i was still googling
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19:51.12abrotmanmah454: use the openjdk already in Debian
19:51.32mah454_abrotman: yes , I find it
19:51.37abrotmanso use that
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20:07.54angsdoes debian wheezy have apt-xapian-index?
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20:09.04babilenangs: It does indeed
20:09.19babilenjudd: v apt-xapian-index
20:09.20juddPackage: apt-xapian-index on i386 -- squeeze: 0.41; wheezy: 0.45; jessie: 0.46; sid: 0.46
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20:09.34angsI have the same problem described here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-xapian-index/+bug/363695
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20:09.51angshow can I remove it?
20:10.03jumperswitch_I ran locale-gen and then update-locales, now LC_ALL is set, but on a normal installed debian system this wouldn't be the case
20:10.10jumperswitch_what does this mean? does it behave differently now?
20:10.16angsor is there the same bug on wheezy as well?
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20:10.25jumperswitch_and why is LANG still en_GB.UTF-8 instead of the new locale en_US.UTF-8 ?
20:10.57abrotmandid you logout/login ?
20:11.24babilenangs: Do you use Ubuntu?
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20:12.30angsno I use wheezy but I have the same issue, when I run apt-get update it get Fatal -> Failed to fork
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20:12.45angsand it happens at the end of apt-get update process
20:13.36angsis there any minimum RAM requirement for wheezy?
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20:14.53rwpangs, I have heard 128M of ram is the minimum.  But some people can run it on smaller machines.
20:15.08rwpangs, My smallest is a 112M Pentium 133MHz.
20:15.22babilenthat is really quite small
20:15.31angsmy device has 512 RAM, is it normal to get FATAL -> Failed to fork problem
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20:15.38angswhen I run apt*get update
20:15.41babilenI am also not sure if we support that processor anymore.
20:15.50angson the idle state top says mem usage is 2%
20:16.02jelly-homeangs: apt and aptitude really want something like 256MB, to avoid swapping.  What kind of "device" is that?
20:16.08babilenangs: I have not encountered that issue personally, but it would help if you could give 0.46 from sid a try. It shouldn't be too hard to backport. See "/msg dpkg ssb" for instructions on how to do that.
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20:16.39angsjelly-home it is an armv5tejl board (olimex imx233-micro)
20:17.14rwpangs, Not normal.  Check the sum total of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* files.  Perhaps you have several locations?  Trim those to the minimum.
20:17.19jelly-homeangs: and how much ram is actually available for the kernel?
20:17.21babilenangs: I am not at all surprised that you are running into problems on your 112M box and "Pentium 133Mhz" might even be a processor that is no longer supported. It should, however, be possible to use Debian on the other machine.
20:17.50rwpbabilen, That is my small machine, not angs's machine.
20:18.08rwpbabilen, Works fine for me there. :-)  Very slow logging in with 4k-bit ssh keys though.
20:18.17babilenrwp: Ah, yeah :)
20:18.58rwpAnd still fully supported using the 486 kernel.
20:19.07abrotmanthe CPU should be supported
20:19.52babilenjudd: bug #609690
20:20.10rwpangs, Your imx233-micro is comparable to the Raspberry Pi (I have three) and I have no problems with Raspbian in 512M ram.
20:20.26angsjelly-home, here is the top output, http://pastebin.com/5wBakCgG do you think it has enough space?
20:20.52jelly-homeangs: er, that's 50MB, not 512
20:21.29angsups I read 1 zero more
20:21.37rwpangs, Just looking at apt-xapian-index.  I do not have it installed.  Never heard of it before.  I suggest 'apt-get purge apt-xapian-index' (or 'apt-get remove' if you want the config files saved)
20:21.44babilenjudd seems to be bored, but http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609690 is what I was thinking about. (default arch is i586 for amd64, i386, and kfreebsd-{amd64,i386})
20:21.53angsrwp I dont have it as well
20:21.56juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/609690 in gcc-4.4 (open): «gcc-4.4: default 32bit arch on amd64, i386, and kfreebsd-{amd64,i386},»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-01-11; last modified: 2011-05-18.
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20:22.10KBmeabrotman, still around?
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20:22.11angson the source list I have only 2 entry for my local ftp server
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20:22.45KBmeso the issue with this is that if the sid deb repository is not enabled, only the deb-src one, then the commands will build the wheezy version
20:22.47abrotmanKBme: generally, yes
20:22.48rwpangs, You have no swap enabled.  Try adding a swap file with for least another 512M of swap.
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20:22.58abrotmanKBme: sounds like you're doing it wrong
20:23.07KBmeand even with -t sid it won't work
20:23.26KBmeok let me wipe the system i'll try again
20:23.28angsrwp, can I add it without removing the sd card?
20:23.41rwpangs, I thought it was you who said you had it?  No?  I must have confused who was saying what.  Sorry.
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20:24.17rwpangs, Yes. Can add swap on the fly.  Can remove it later.  Just need some file system space.
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20:25.02jelly-homeangs: 10 years old apt used to be sluggy on a 64MB '486, and you have less available and trying to use software that's a bit more bloated.  I wouldn't use a current Debian on anything with less than say 256MB
20:25.45rwpjelly-home, But angs said he had 512M available.
20:25.46angsI see, would squeeze be fine on 64 MB system'?
20:25.57angsit was my mistake, it is 64 MB
20:26.10angsI dont know why it stayed 512 MB on my mind
20:26.11jelly-homerwp: and his pastebin said otherwise
20:26.18rwp64M!  Oh!
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20:26.46rwpThat will be very tight.  Will definitely need swap.  Will be slow.  But with swap should complete with patience.
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20:26.53jelly-homeangs: no, use an embedded distro like openwrt (or try emdebian)
20:26.54KBmeabrotman, so I add the deb-src sid repo and wheezy-backports to sources.list, then aptitude build-deps nova-compute
20:27.05KBmeit installs build deps for nova-compute-2012-*
20:27.10KBmeI want 2013
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20:27.46rwpangs, See this reference for adding a swapfile: http://serverfault.com/questions/312057/create-swap-file-on-a-running-linux-machine#312058
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20:29.51abrotmanKBme: you can use a pastebin to show us the steps you took
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20:30.21KBmeall right, i'm reinstalling the machine give me a couple of minutes
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20:30.32abrotmannot sure why you have to reinstall, but okay
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20:31.15KBmewell, it's a temporary system and it had a bunch of extra packages
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20:31.31dvs!windows-mentality
20:31.31dpkgYou don't have to reboot every time you change some configuration or if something goes wrong.  You can restart a service by doing "/etc/init.d/<service> restart".  If there is something wrong in the configuration, it can usually be fixed without reinstalling the entire system.
20:31.33angsrwp. jelly-home, thanks
20:31.43MisterBubblesAnyone have any advice on dealing with hdmi output with a GMA3600 gpu? If I connect the hdmi cable it will mirror the screen but it will not let me change the resolution. Xrandr doesn't have an option for LVDS or HDMI or anything. I have attempted to use the modesetting driver and I am not getting any difference at all.
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20:32.56rwpHow can we teach the dpkg robot to use "service <service> restart" intead of "/etc/init.d/<service> restart"?
20:33.27Posterdatihi
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20:34.06Posterdatiplease I'm trying to install vice via apt-build but I've got problem with libc6 version: vice needs 2.17 and wheezy has got 2.13...
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20:36.04rwpPosterdati, What version are you trying to install?  Wheezy 7 has a working vice in it for that libc version.
20:36.58rwpPosterdati, Therefore by implication you must be using Wheezy 7 but trying to install something like an Ubuntu package or some such?
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20:37.08rwpPosterdati, Please tell me I am wrong.
20:37.17jelly-homerwp: he's building a backport from sources
20:37.17Posterdatirwp: I installed binary version but it lacks of commodore roms
20:37.22Posterdatino
20:37.29PosterdatiI'm running wheezy on amd64
20:37.46Posterdatibinary vice hasn't got the roms in it
20:37.47KBmeabrotman, here http://pastebin.com/Hj7761Bq
20:37.48jelly-homewhat exactly are you doing with apt-build, Posterdati
20:38.04Posterdatirebuilding the vice package with roms too
20:38.10jelly-homePosterdati: why?
20:38.27Posterdatibecause the source package has got the roms in it
20:38.47rwpPosterdati, If you are building/compiling it then it will use the libc that you have installed and won't have a version problem.
20:39.13neilthereildeilhey guys
20:39.14jelly-homePosterdati: read /usr/share/doc/vice/README.ROMs and do that.
20:39.14Posterdatiit seems that it needs 2.17
20:39.15abrotmanKBme: what's in your /etc/apt/apt.conf ?
20:39.23neilthereildeilcan someone please help me get youtube working on iceweasel?
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20:39.36KBmei have no such file, just apt.conf.d
20:39.39neilthereildeilthe videos show the UI, but nothing plays
20:39.43KBmeyou want me to paste all files in there?
20:39.44neilthereildeili just see the spinning wheel
20:39.56rwpPosterdati, Why does it need 2.17?  (I am downloading sources now to try it.)
20:40.06PosterdatiI don't know
20:40.13abrotmanKBme: sure
20:40.18PosterdatiThe following packages have unmet dependencies:
20:40.19Posterdati<PROTECTED>
20:40.19PosterdatiE: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
20:40.24rwpneilthereildeil, What version of iceweasel do you have installed?  Help -> About.
20:40.39jelly-homePosterdati: that binary package is not made for wheezy.
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20:40.51KBmeabrotman, http://pastebin.com/hQy5wd7v
20:40.52rwpneilthereildeil, What Debian version are you running?  Stable Wheezy?  Other?
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20:41.04Posterdatijelly-home: uh?
20:41.26neilthereildeiliceweasel 17.0.9
20:41.29Posterdatijelly-home: apt-build install vice
20:41.56Posterdatijelly-home: I did apt-build install vice
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20:42.17rwpneilthereildeil, Two recommendations. 1. Go to http://mozilla.debian.net/ and follow instructions there to install a newer backport on your system.
20:42.37neilthereildeilrwp: debian 7.2 Wheezy
20:42.52rwpneilthereildeil, 2. Then you probably need the non-free Adobe flash installed. Sigh. Install flashplugin-nonfree from nonfree too.
20:42.58rwpneilthereildeil, Those two things should fix you up.
20:43.21Posterdaticat /etc/debian_version ==> 7.2
20:43.24jelly-homePosterdati: yeah... you don't have to do that.  Install vice the usual way and download the rom files manually.
20:43.28abrotmanKBme: oh jeez, my mistake .. i meant /etc/apt/apt.preferences
20:43.43neilthereildeilrwphow do i install that?
20:43.52neilthereildeildo i have to add a nonfree repro to my repo list?
20:43.55Posterdatijelly-home: I did so, but roms didn't work for me, I followed README.ROMs
20:43.57KBmeabrotman, that's null, i have no such file nor a .d directory
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20:44.43rwpneilthereildeil, Here is an Adobe Flash reference: https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer/
20:45.04babilenabrotman: /etc/apt/preferences ?
20:45.18jelly-homePosterdati: how did they fail?  Install back vice from the distro, and pastebin the output of eg. "x64" and "find /usr/lib/vice -ls"
20:45.24KBmebabilen, right…
20:45.25neilthereildeilrwp: why does the whole linux community go with the free stuff by default if it doesnt work?
20:45.32dvshands abrotman coffee
20:45.40neilthereildeilwouldnt it be better to just go with adboe flash which is nonfree if it t least works?
20:45.42KBmeabrotman, I have no such file either though
20:45.49abrotmanyeah!
20:45.58abrotmanKBme: not sure why it thinks you're pinning
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20:46.12jelly-homeneilthereildeil: from one PoV, it'd be better not to use it at all
20:46.16KBmeabrotman, see the command line, I did a -t sid
20:46.18Posterdatijelly-home: can't install the binary version!!! it told me the same error
20:46.26KBmeaptitude build-dep -t sid nova-compute
20:46.31rwpneilthereildeil, Long philosophical discussion would need to follow.  Starting with Freedom isn't free of cost.
20:46.34neilthereildeilyea but i just instaled debianlast weekend, and from my PoV, its broken out of the box
20:46.42KBmeotherwise it builds the wheezy version whi I have no need to build
20:46.47KBmewhich*
20:46.56jelly-homePosterdati: pastebin the output of "apt-get install vice", and "apt-cache policy libc6 vice" and "apt-cache policy" then
20:47.12Posterdatiok
20:47.50abrotmanKBme: for the build-dep too?
20:47.52jelly-homeneilthereildeil: that is correct, Debian adheres to DFSG and cannot ship Adobe Flash by default
20:47.59Posterdatiapt-get install vice ===> http://pastebin.com/hkFHLfGH
20:48.12jelly-homePosterdati: put it all into a single pastebin please
20:48.18Posterdatiok
20:48.33KBmeabrotman, well, the deps aren't the same for the 2012 and 2013 version
20:48.54rwpneilthereildeil, Paraphrasing, Those who would give up essential freedom for a small convenience deserve neither.
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20:49.18neilthereildeilhaha dude im just trynna watch yyyoutube thats all
20:49.49rwpneilthereildeil, But the problem is Adobe and others who don't license their software for others!
20:50.00KBmeuse html5 if possible and shumway otherwise
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20:50.12Posterdatijelly-home: http://pastebin.com/rep63j7S
20:50.20neilthereildeilso i installed flashplugin-nonfree
20:50.23neilthereildeilnow what?
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20:50.42neilthereildeildo i have to register it with iceweasel now?
20:50.44rwpneilthereildeil, Watch Flash videos.
20:50.50Posterdatijelly-home: ok?
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20:51.09rwpneilthereildeil, Go to the location bar (control-L) type in about:plugins, you should see it active immediately
20:51.11abrotmanKBme: i386 or amd64?
20:51.15KBmeamd64
20:51.34neilthereildeiloh cool i see it
20:51.43neilthereildeilso it looks like it dynamically loaded the so i just downloaded
20:51.55KBmeabrotman, does it really matter? it's mostly python afaik
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20:52.24jelly-homePosterdati: right, your local apt-build repos are newer than the distro version.  Remove them from /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* first
20:52.47awktion!haswell
20:53.02rwpneilthereildeil, Yes. You can thank the free(dom) software community for that nice feature. :-)
20:53.06abrotmanKBme: i was going to try to build it here ...
20:53.07Posterdatijelly-home: I've got 7.2
20:53.14KBmeabrotman, ah.
20:53.43KBmewell i really need the 2013 version because it's the first to support docker containers
20:54.02KBmei'll also need to do the same for the kernel and go-lang…
20:54.27Posterdatijelly-home: removed all
20:54.32neilthereildeilcool, youtube worrks now
20:54.33neilthereildeilthanks guys
20:54.33abrotmanjudd: checkbackport nova
20:54.38rwpneilthereildeil, I strongly recommend http://mozilla.debian.net/ for using the release track of Iceweasel / Firefox. Currently version 24. Or use an ESR version.
20:54.41Posterdatijelly-home: I'm apt-get update
20:54.45juddBackporting package nova in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: openstack-pkg-tools (>= 8~), python-pbr (>= 0.5.21), python-d2to1 (>= 0.2.10);Build-Depends-Indep: pep8 (>= 1.3.3), python-anyjson (>= 0.3.3), python-boto (>= 2.4.0), python-cinderclient (>= 1:1.0.6), python-cliff (>= 1.4), python-d2to1 (>= 0.2.10), python-eventlet (>= 0.13.0), python-fixtures (>= 0.3.14), python-
20:54.46juddglanceclient (>= 1:0.10.0), python-greenlet (>= 0.3.2), python-jsonschema (>= 1.3.0), python-keystoneclient (>= 1:0.3.2), python-kombu (>= 2.5.12), python-mock (>= 1.0), python-neutronclient (>= 2.3.0), python-oslo.config (>= 1:1.2.1), python-oslo.sphinx, python-paramiko (>= 1.8.0), python-pyparsing (>= 1.5.7), python-requests (>= 1.1), python-setuptools-git, python-stevedore (>= 0.10), python-testrepository (>= (1 more message)
20:54.55abrotmanguess that answers that
20:55.08jelly-home\python/
20:55.20jelly-homejudd: more
20:55.27abrotmanI didn't know it was a python mess
20:55.32KBmeyey
20:55.35mjtjudd: checkbackport qemu
20:55.36juddBackporting package qemu in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libseccomp-dev (>> 2.1.0) [linux-amd64 linux-i386], libspice-server-dev (>= 0.12.2~) [linux-amd64 linux-i386], libspice-protocol-dev (>= 0.12.3~) [linux-amd64 linux-i386], libusb-1.0-0-dev (>= 2:1.0.13~) [linux-any], libusbredirparser-dev (>= 0.6~) [linux-any].
20:55.50KBmeoh sweet
20:55.51mjtum. it only checks build-deps
20:55.59mjtbut not reverse depends
20:56.01neilthereildeilrwp: Debian by default comes with an older version of iceweasel?
20:56.10abrotmanwinder if it would be better/easier to do the nova tihng in a chroot
20:56.12Posterdatijelly-home: pt get update is taking time :)
20:56.15mjtneilthereildeil: older than what?
20:56.20jelly-homemjt: of course
20:56.27rwpneilthereildeil, Debian by default ships a "Stable" release version of all of the software in the release.
20:56.33KBmeabrotman, but how does a chroot help? you mean use a sid chroot on a wheezy system?
20:56.46rwpneilthereildeil, But Firefox and Chromium release every six weeks.  They do not support a stable release version.
20:56.49KBmeand run nova inside that chroot?
20:57.13mjtrwp: they do, it is called "esr"
20:57.16rwpneilthereildeil, Therefore Debian keeps Iceweasel / Firefox continously updating in the backports area.
20:57.43abrotmanKBme: yes
20:57.51mjtrwp: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all.html
20:57.53abrotmanKBme: or jessie, whichever you prefer
20:57.55KBmehm
20:58.02neilthereildeilso wouldnt iceweasel get updated everime i update all the packed on my system using the debian package manager?
20:58.10KBmeyeah, i guess so
20:58.13rwpmjt, True.  That is relatively new.  In response to stability needs.  For enterprises.  But most consumer people want the consumer release version.
20:58.40KBmethat's way complicated though and still doesn't solve the kernel issue
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20:59.21KBmeah well, that's what I thought. this sort of thing is just outside debian's scope for now
20:59.48abrotmanthere's a newer kernel at backports.org ?
20:59.56abrotmanerm .. in wheezy-backports
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21:00.02KBmeyeah
21:00.11abrotmanKBme: it sounds like oyu're not interested in putting forth that much effort
21:01.32rwpneilthereildeil, Update for security vulnerabilities only.  Safe.  But not for features.  Because enterprises and organizations want stability.  Document everything. When things change every six weeks they can't chase the documentation fast enough.
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21:02.11neilthereildeilok gotit
21:02.21neilthereildeiland like i was saying, i installed debian last weekend
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21:02.31neilthereildeili would just run apt-get update every few weeks, right?
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21:03.59rwpneilthereildeil, I suggest subscribing to debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org and then letting it remind you when you need to upgrade for security upgrades. See http://www.debian.org/security/ for info.
21:04.42rwpneilthereildeil, You can also turn on automated upgrades.  But they are not as cleanly automated as we would like.  But very easy to fire off an upgrade when you get an email notice of releases.
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21:06.44rwpneilthereildeil, Also every quarter there is a Debian Stable "point" release. A week ago was Debian 7.2. It is good to upgrade for point releases too.  Those are not strictly security upgrades.  But also other "feature" upgrades that were deemed important but still safe and stable. See http://www.debian.org/News/
21:07.33Posterdatijelly-home: http://pastebin.com/5hErV3Pe
21:08.02KBmeabrotman, sure a chroot works
21:08.23KBmei guess
21:08.34KBmethough for automating that is, again, a huge effort
21:08.35abrotmanthought the openstack Debian team had an apt repo
21:08.39jelly-homePosterdati: that was "x64" and a second command "find /usr/lib/vice -ls"
21:08.58KBmeabrotman, i think they just contribute to sid
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21:09.55abrotmanKBme: http://dachary.org/?p=1150
21:09.59Posterdatijelly-home: shall I post it?
21:10.01abrotmanKBme: no idea if that stuff is still valid
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21:10.27KBmeabrotman, I really don't like to use unofficial repos
21:10.51KBmereally, i'd rather put in the effort in a chroot than use untrusted repos
21:11.15KBmeif it was debian.openstack.org that would be completely different
21:11.15abrotmanokay
21:11.22jelly-homePosterdati: that would be nice.
21:11.27Posterdatiok
21:11.40KBmeoh, he does have a deb-src though. that might be woth a try
21:11.46KBmeworth*
21:11.51jelly-homePosterdati: I suspect you haven't put the rom files in the right place.
21:12.07Posterdatino I did
21:12.49KBmebut no that doesn't work
21:13.01Posterdatijelly-home: http://pastebin.com/YAA7TwU6
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21:15.10KBmeabrotman, Much Ado About Nothing: http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/basic-install/apt/content/basic-install_controller.html there is an official debian repo
21:15.17KBmedoh
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21:17.28MisterBubblesAnyone have any advice on dealing with hdmi output with a GMA3600 gpu? If I connect the hdmi cable it will mirror the screen but it will not let me change the resolution. Xrandr doesn't have an option for LVDS or HDMI or anything. I have attempted to use the modesetting driver and I am not getting any difference at all.
21:17.53jelly-homePosterdati: I do not see a C64/kernal file there, are you SURE you copied the roms to the right place?
21:18.07Posterdatijelly-home: not yet, I reinstalled just now
21:18.35abrotmanKBme: i saw those
21:18.50KBmeabrotman, that seems legit
21:19.11abrotmanKBme: though it says ubuntu, your call
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21:19.33jelly-homePosterdati: well then
21:19.43KBmeabrotman, scroll down, there is a wheezy repo
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21:20.19abrotmanah okay
21:21.21jelly-homePosterdati: unpack the tarball somewhere, then cd vice-1.5-roms/data/ and copy the ./ tree as-is to /usr/lib/vice/
21:22.04jelly-homePosterdati: alternatively copy the contents of vice-1.5-roms/data/ to your ~/.vice/ instead
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21:23.11Posterdatijelly-home: http://pastebin.com/cnix2F1U
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21:24.36jelly-homeno idea why you got that, might be a real bug
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21:28.36Posterdatijelly-home: :(
21:29.52Posterdatijelly-home: this is why the vice 2.3 is not compatible with libc6 2.13
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21:36.25jelly-homePosterdati: looks like
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21:36.35jelly-homejudd: bug 686400
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21:36.36juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/686400 in vice (closed): «vice: fails to start (SIGILL)»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-08-31; last modified: 2013-08-24.
21:36.56Posterdatijudd: closed?
21:37.17jelly-homeit's not a libc6 issue but a build/compile time issue, with amd64 build only
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21:38.40jelly-homeit's closed in _sid_ with 2.4
21:39.31jelly-homeI'm still on 32bit so that's why it works here
21:40.38jumperswitch_So what does the variable LC_ALL do?
21:40.44jumperswitch_Because it is set and this is not usual
21:40.51jumperswitch_Does it affect the other programs?
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21:41.27abrotmanjumperswitch_: man bash
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21:54.26jaamijeep: could you please see if this time update was successful. i dont see no error but there was no success message. plz note that many lines from star may be missing because of limited buffer of terminal. http://paste.debian.net/59970/
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21:58.02everaldHi. What are you using on Debian to access Android 4 phone storage?
21:58.17Posterdatijelly-home: I will try the i386 version of vice
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21:58.36jumperswitch_So one has to set this explicitly in a multistrap created system: export LANG='en_US.UTF-8'
21:58.51jumperswitch_The question is, what tools is responsible for this during the 'normal' installation of debian?
21:59.51jaamieverald: asking me?
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22:02.52jaamican someone check output of update command and let me know if something is missing again http://paste.debian.net/59970/
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22:03.35everaldjaami, no, I'm asking everyone.
22:05.29jaamiim trying to remove firmware missing error
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22:10.39somiajDo you have any hardware that is not working because of missing firmware? 'dmesg | grep firmware'
22:10.44abrotmanjaami: what error?
22:10.48muscajaami:  W: Possible missing firmware
22:10.55muscait's a Warning
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22:12.24abrotmandpkg: tell jaami about apt-file
22:12.27abrotmandpkg: tell jaami about tg3
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22:13.38jaamii want to use hotspot because skype is installed on my tablet
22:13.43JC_Dentondoes anyone know if ipv6 conntrack support is broken in wheezy?
22:14.09jaamibut my wifi shows error firmware missing and hotspot buttn is disabled
22:14.24jaamibutton**
22:15.14mumpitzeljaami: this missing firmware is possibly for your ethernet. has nothing to do with your wlan
22:15.24abrotmanit is for the ethernet
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22:15.43abrotmanJC_Denton: i'd imagine not ?
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22:15.51jaamioh yes, eithernet has nothing to do with wlan
22:16.07jaamieithernet is working
22:16.16reavengreyMost wifi cards transmite ethernet/802.2
22:16.23reavengrey*transmit
22:16.35JC_Dentonabrotman: any reason why a rule like this "-A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT" would return "ip6tables: Protocol wrong type for socket." ?
22:16.54jaamiyes, my wifi modem actually show as eathernet in list of adapters
22:17.07JC_Dentonand then in dmesg i have "cannot load conntrack support for proto=10"
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22:17.24abrotmanJC_Denton: i'd probably ask #netfilter
22:18.17jaamimumpitzel: how to remove the firmware missing error. i have to get online on skype
22:18.33abrotmanthe bot already told you
22:18.47jaamioh okay. thanks. i read now
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22:19.10muscaMirror, mirror on the wall, which wireless is jaami using at all?
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22:19.46abrotmanlet him fix the firmware thing first
22:20.01muscaok.
22:20.09jaamimusca: its my laptop wifi card that should work as hotspot
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22:20.21abrotmanfix the firmware first!
22:20.29abrotmanstop jumping around to different problems
22:20.31jaamiok. i read msg
22:22.00diefihi there a quick question related to vlc installation
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22:22.44diefiwhat do I need to add to the sources.list to be able to install the newst vlc
22:23.12diefii have added the wheezy-backports but I still can't install it
22:23.32diefiget an error about the default-release not available in the soures
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22:27.08abrotmandiefi: ti'll be 2.0.3, is that not new enough ?
22:28.09diefiand how do i get the 2.0.3 release?
22:28.22diefiI see
22:28.32diefiapt-get install vlc ?
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22:29.41abrotmandiefi: yes
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22:30.46diefibut still, is my understanding correct, that the vlc files are not available on the wheezy-backports src?
22:31.04fluxus_I didn't look too hard, but does anyone know what kernel debian iso are using right now? is it 3.11?
22:31.12diefibecause I also found this deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian stable main
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22:32.33abrotmandiefi: we don't support those, can't tell you how well they do or do not work
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22:41.34calimero-82hello
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22:41.57frikinzwhat's available to check the speed of a usb stick. especially random read/writes?
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22:56.58bchamberlainfrikinz: dd ?
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22:58.17abrotmanbonnie
22:58.24abrotmanjudd: info bonnie++
22:58.25juddAn error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
22:58.27abrotmanjudd: info bonnie
22:58.28juddNo package named 'bonnie' was found in wheezy/i386.
22:58.34abrotmanlooks at themill
22:58.38mumpitzelhdparm is as a benchmark as useful as glxinfo
22:58.54abrotmanfrikinz: bonnie++
22:59.03mumpitzelabrotman broke judd!
22:59.09abrotmanapparently
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23:02.35tkbx(nm-applet is segfaulting and I think that's why)
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23:02.57dont-panicis it possible to play music remotely?  like if I wanna stream music from my server to my laptop via cli?
23:07.37gnarfacedont-panic: yes its possible
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23:11.18dont-panicgnarface: what would I use?
23:11.38dont-panicgnarface: I have moc on there, will that be able to do it?
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23:13.15gnarfacedont-panic: there is about 1000 ways to do this.  what is optimal really depends on your medium and usage cases.  you could set vlc up on one machine as a server and connect to it from the laptop as a client
23:13.56gnarfacedont-panic: you could alternately just put all the music in a share on the server and mount it over a network mount to the laptop (nfs, sshfs, samba, etc) and just play the music directly through the file share,
23:14.21dont-panicgnarface: I'm trying to access it from work
23:14.22gnarfacedont-panic: or you could do what i do and just pipe the raw audio data back to yourself over the ssh tunnel
23:14.35dont-panicgnarface: that last one, how hard is that to set up?
23:14.51gnarfacetrivial, if you're familiar with basic shell usage
23:15.03gnarfaceconceptually it may be hard to wrap your head around though otherwise
23:15.08dont-panicyeah, I'm ssh'in all over the place at work lol
23:15.35gnarfaceobviously if there is some sort of firewall in front of your server that could be a complication as well
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23:15.50abrotmandont-panic: mpd
23:16.04dont-panicat work theres most def a firewall on the way out
23:16.11dont-panicI don't have one at home
23:16.47gnarface*most* firewalls don't sabotage connections that are outbound, but if you work with a lot of children they may have been forced to block all outgoing ports besides 80
23:17.29gnarfacebut the important part to know is that if you "ssh [server] [command]" and [command] dumps to stdout, ssh will dump it to stdout locally too
23:17.34dont-panicI work for a email security and spam prevention company
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23:18.09dont-panicthat shouldn't be too much of an issue, I'll probably be using tmux
23:18.12gnarfaceso you can just do something like ssh [hostname] [command]|mplayer -
23:19.13dont-panicas in ssh user@hostname.com -L port:localhost:port | mplayer - ?
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23:20.54gnarfacedont-panic: you can set up a persistent tunnel instead but that's not necessary
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23:21.42dont-panicgnarface: whats a persistent tunnel?
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23:21.59dont-panicmost of what i know I learned from people at work, so I don't know fully what I can and cant do
23:22.59gnarfacedont-panic: what you just suggested in opposition to my suggestion looks like an attempt to establish a persistent tunnel but at second glance it looks like you're confusing what i suggested with the tunnel
23:23.20dont-panicgnarface: probably lol
23:23.30dont-panicthat's the only way I know how to tunnel
23:23.31gnarfacedont-panic: if you use -L or -R it establishes a tunnel, if not, then ssh simply dumps to stdout
23:24.01gnarfacedont-panic: here, try this as an example: ssh [hostname] 'cat ~/sometextfile.txt'
23:24.17gnarfacedont-panic: (make sure the textfile exists first and has contents you'll recognize)
23:24.29dont-panick
23:25.11gnarfacedont-panic: what happens is the command "cat ~/sometextfile.txt" is run on the remote server, then its stdout is dumped to your stdout via ssh, then ssh exits
23:25.29gnarfacedont-panic: if you use -L or -R (and succeed) ssh will not exit afterwards
23:25.31dont-panicohhh, we don't want ssh to exit right?
23:25.44sqrollokhi, i want to change default options of pure-ftpd when the service is started, and i dont know where to look. can someone point it out please?
23:26.01gnarfacewell, *I* was actually suggesting you DO let ssh exit, because the tunnel seemed like it would just confuse you more
23:26.07gnarfacedont-panic: ^^^
23:26.30gnarfacedont-panic: the important part is that you could cat a binary music file, and then pipe it to a player locally
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23:27.30dont-paniclets say I'm doing this to me@domain.com  -p 5500 , how does that cat thing work? its just hanging the way I'm doing it
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23:27.56gnarfacewhy -p?
23:28.02dont-panicport
23:28.11gnarfacei'd assume its hanging because sshd runs on port 22 by default
23:28.14dont-panicmy server is set up to only allow ssh through a specific port
23:28.29gnarfacethat's normal, it will only allow traffic to port 22
23:28.52gnarfaceif you changed the port to 5500 that's fine, but be sure you actually changed it somewhere other than on your ssh command line
23:29.18dont-panicwhen I connect to my server I have to specify the port
23:29.29jaamii found missing package name but dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi does not install package saying No such file or directory.
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23:29.32dont-panicone of my laptops that I don't care too much about uses 22 on my network
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23:29.41gnarfaceso this should work then: ssh -p 5500 me@domain.com 'cat ~/sometextfile.txt'
23:29.51dont-panicI'll try that
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23:30.12gnarfacedont-panic: you put a populated text file in your home directory first right?
23:30.20sqrollokhow do you change arguments on commands started as a service by init.d scripts?
23:30.25dont-panicgnarface: that worked
23:30.53gnarfacedont-panic: good.  it will work with binary data too
23:31.11dont-paniccat'ing out a .flac will work?
23:31.30gnarfacedont-panic: well, for some values of "work"
23:31.54gnarfacedont-panic: it will "work" but probably it would be more useful to pipe it to a player locally
23:32.32gnarfacedont-panic: like this: ssh -p 5500 me@domain.com 'cat ~/sometextfile.txt' |mplayer -
23:32.46gnarfacedont-panic: (or whatever player you want to play the flac files with.  i'm not even sure if mplayer is a good choice)
23:32.57dont-panicI'm gonna see if moc will do it
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23:36.08gnarfacedont-panic: i'm not familar with moc but anything that can play from stdin should work
23:36.34dont-panicdoes it have to be installed on the server end?
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23:36.53gnarfacedont-panic: no, the part after the | in my command runs locally
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23:37.59gnarfacedont-panic: with x11 forwarding over ssh you could in fact just run say, vlc or xmms on the remote server and have it pipe the whole playback and interface down the ssh connection back to you, but that requires the remote server have xlibs installed, and is probably gonna use up more bandwidth than its worth
23:38.26gnarfacedont-panic: well, its a neat trick but you gotta be able to grok this first or you don't stand a chance of that
23:38.51jaamii am installing missing firmware package with dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi but getting error cannot access archive, no such file or directory
23:38.52gnarfacedont-panic: consider sshfs instead
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23:40.44gnarfacejaami: maybe you meant apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi ?
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23:41.08jaamignarface: ok let me try it
23:41.22gnarfacejaami: with dpkg -i that file would have to exist in your current directory, so you would have had to download it already.  apt-get will download automatically
23:41.43jaamiahh  got it
23:41.49dont-panicgnarface: yeah, I cant seem to get that working.. not sure why
23:41.49jaami:)
23:42.10scooty_puffhow do i take a debian install iso off of debian.org and generate a installed img without having to reboot and going through the install process?
23:42.13gnarfacedont-panic: show me your exact command, and try it with another player.
23:42.23gnarfacedont-panic: like, perhaps the player i suggested (since at least i know it can play from stdin)
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23:42.51dont-panicyou wont be able to log into my server, or do you not have to?
23:43.00dont-panicI used mplayer -
23:43.08gnarfacethe whole command
23:43.17gnarfacedont-panic: i don't have to log in to your server to see if your command is wrong
23:43.24dont-panicssh -p 10000 bacon@andyblankfield.com 'cat ~/01.flac' | mplayer -
23:43.37gnarfacedont-panic: and that file 01.flac is in your home directory?
23:43.43dont-panicyeah
23:43.52gnarfacedo you have an mp3 you can find?
23:43.57gnarfaceor a wav file?
23:44.05gnarfaceflac support can be problematic, that could be a separate issue
23:44.19phy1729the file is in the local home or remote?
23:44.28dont-panicremote home
23:44.56dont-panicI gotta look.  this is a new install... is there any .mp3's on a default debian netinstall?
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23:45.01gnarfacedont-panic: try ./01.flac instead of ~/01.flac maybe that's my bad...
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23:45.58gnarfacedont-panic: don't forget its case sensetive
23:46.17gnarfacedont-panic: you DO need mplayer installed *locally* maybe i should have mentioned that
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23:46.41gnarfacedont-panic: but i'm not sure i guess if your mplayer has flac playback support even
23:46.51dont-panicyeah its installed locally, it says playing -. \n reading from stdout ... and asks for pass
23:47.00dont-panicif i put the pass word in it says cant seek backwards or something
23:47.06dont-panicrepeadedly
23:47.19dont-panicI can test taht real quick
23:47.40gnarfacedont-panic: oh, my bad it probably just needs cache cause flac isn't a streaming format or something like that
23:47.56gnarfacedont-panic: try: |mplayer -cache 8192 -cache-min 1
23:48.02gnarfacedont-panic: er, i mean: |mplayer -cache 8192 -cache-min 1 -
23:48.05dont-panicit works if I play it locally
23:48.10gnarfacegood
23:48.15gnarfaceprobably just need cache
23:48.20gnarfacetry it
23:49.19dont-paniccloser...
23:49.20dont-panicCache empty, consider increasing -cache and/or -cache-min. [performance issue]
23:49.33dont-panicmade a tick noise when i ctrl-c'd out
23:50.37jaamicommand apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi  return Unable to locate package firmware-iwlwifi ...  here is detail of the package http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi
23:50.47gnarfacedont-panic: so try it again and just remove the -cache-min part, but you may not have enough bandwidth ....
23:50.48abrotmandpkg: tell jaami about non-free
23:51.35gnarfacedont-panic: (default -cache is nothing, but default -cache-min is 50% of whatever estimated playback time is, or something like that, i think)
23:52.18dont-panicit got to 19% and then threw the same error
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23:54.10gnarfacedont-panic: you'll have to make it cache the whole song probably
23:54.24dont-panicgnarface: how do I do that?
23:54.34dont-panic-cache-min 100
23:54.51gnarfacedont-panic: sure that will raise it.  raising either number will raise it.
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23:55.26gnarfacedont-panic: -cache is the total amount of cache and -cache-min is just how much it lets the cache fill initially before it starts auto-playing
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23:57.12dont-panicgnarface: yeah, I might have to do something different, this is too much of a PITA lol
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23:58.37gnarfacedont-panic: try sshfs, your local machine's filesystem may be better at caching, but it sounds like one or the other connection or both is a bit short on bandwidth for the bitrate of your audio files
23:58.54gnarfacedont-panic: i guess cpu can be an issue too, on the local end
23:59.14dont-panicyeah this is a intel atom 1.5ghz
23:59.32gnarfacedont-panic: if it doesn't have to be secure, you can try streaming without ssh... but that's a really bad idea
23:59.47gnarfacedont-panic: http might work though
23:59.59gnarfacedont-panic: i'd say look into sshfs first

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