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| 00:13.30 | nkuttler | aguitel_: try /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>/README* |
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| 00:50.23 | bezoka | hi |
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| 00:56.44 | critter | hi |
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| 00:57.07 | critter | i have multiple actions programmed via crontab "@hourly" command |
| 00:57.47 | critter | how can I know which is going to be executed first? |
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| 01:03.17 | anton02 | is this the same channel as the one on irc.debian.org? |
| 01:03.30 | abrotman | no |
| 01:04.12 | anton02 | i wonder which one is more popular |
| 01:04.13 | darkapp | i believe irc.debian.org is oftc right? |
| 01:04.20 | darkapp | anton02: this one |
| 01:04.41 | darkapp | its not the official debian irc however |
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| 01:06.32 | abrotman | anton02: depends what kind of population you're looking for |
| 01:06.35 | nonconvergent | Why would someone chroot to build wine? |
| 01:07.03 | critter | I have multiple actions programmed via crontab "@hourly" command |
| 01:07.06 | critter | how can I know which is going to be executed first? |
| 01:07.21 | abrotman | critter: why does it matter? |
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| 01:11.16 | silvertip257 | On a fresh install of Debian Wheezy, grub2 is trying to scan the floppy controller and displaying an error message. Kicker is that I used --no-floppy and it is present in /boot/grub/grub.cfg on the search lines. Anyone know how to get grub to ignore the controller? http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/07/msg00405.html |
| 01:11.26 | tiron | hey fellas, is there anyway to issue a command that refreshes the check for usb devices? (this would be an alternative to disconnecting hte USB cable and plugging the device back in)? |
| 01:11.36 | tiron | and if it helps, the device in question is an external hard drive |
| 01:11.46 | abrotman | anton02: it's worth trying, wheezy has gnome3 and gtk3 |
| 01:12.19 | abrotman | tiron: given a normal system, that hsould happen when you plug it in |
| 01:12.52 | tiron | abrotman, a lot of times, it doesn't though, or following a reboot it won't (by itself) and a replug of the HD is required for it to show up in /proc/partitions |
| 01:13.16 | abrotman | sounds odd |
| 01:13.34 | abrotman | if you don't replug/reboot, what is the message in dmesg? |
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| 01:15.34 | tiron | abrotman: that's a big list of stuff, not sure I recognize the actual HD in question, but let me scroll through it a bit |
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| 01:27.43 | tiron | so as usual with learning linux, I get distracted solving one problem by a problem between the question and the solution... I installed xclip, yet even after "uptime | xclip", pasting into the terminal or another GUI app does not work, but xclip -o does work (in the terminal) |
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| 01:29.11 | ke-esc | Hi all..fairly fresh install of Debian with GNOME 3. I'm trying to add a menu with the "Main Menu" app, but when I hit ok the box just disappears and nothing happens, the menu doesn't show up |
| 01:29.22 | ke-esc | jessie btw |
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| 01:31.15 | critter | abrotman, race condition |
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| 01:34.46 | abrotman | critter: then prepare your scripts for that |
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| 01:36.53 | kode101 | Are there serviceable video editing packages for 6.0.7? |
| 01:36.59 | kode101 | I'm familiar only with ffmpeg and avconv |
| 01:37.12 | kode101 | But my needs include concatenating mp4 files and running them through python |
| 01:38.07 | abrotman | is kdenlive available? |
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| 01:39.33 | kode101 | installing now! thank you abrotman |
| 01:39.47 | kode101 | hmm, is installing the best term there? |
| 01:39.51 | kode101 | maybe compiling / apt-getting? |
| 01:40.03 | abrotman | what? |
| 01:40.12 | dvs | debianing? |
| 01:40.19 | abrotman | would assume one would use apt |
| 01:40.32 | kode101 | the computer sure is computerin! |
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| 01:40.54 | abrotman | MOTORING! |
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| 01:41.12 | kode101 | oh my, i should mention |
| 01:41.17 | kode101 | this debian install is a server |
| 01:41.29 | kode101 | how can i search its hardware information? |
| 01:41.40 | kode101 | does debian have a quick ram / storage / processor / gpu readout? |
| 01:41.41 | ke-esc | lspci |
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| 01:42.18 | silvertip257 | Is there a reason grub2 seeks the floppy controller (and displays an error message) on boot even though --no-floppy is defined?! |
| 01:44.37 | kode101 | abrotman is kdenlive cli friendly? |
| 01:44.47 | abrotman | dpkg: tell kode101 about whats my hardware |
| 01:44.56 | abrotman | kode101: you sohlud have made that a requirement when you asked |
| 01:45.17 | kode101 | yeah abrotman its ok though |
| 01:45.23 | kode101 | i have kdenlive now in case |
| 01:45.38 | abrotman | kode101: i'd guess ffmpeg |
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| 01:56.57 | kode101 | is it possible to concat video from within debian |
| 01:57.06 | kode101 | cat 1.mp4 2.mp4 output.mp4 |
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| 02:12.58 | kode101 | sorry im diumb but |
| 02:13.00 | kode101 | http://johnvansickle.com/ffmpeg/builds/ffmpeg-linux64-20130824.tar.bz2 |
| 02:13.06 | kode101 | what do i do with that url to get, compile, and use ffmpeg |
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| 02:17.14 | kabamaro | how do i unrar .rar files in debian? |
| 02:17.17 | kabamaro | apt-get install unrar |
| 02:17.20 | kabamaro | no packages found |
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| 02:22.44 | kode101 | anybody here |
| 02:22.46 | kode101 | seems so noisy |
| 02:22.57 | kode101 | i have a folder ./ffmpeg as my root user |
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| 02:23.07 | mniip | What is . |
| 02:23.08 | kode101 | but my regular user can't run ffmpeg by typing ./ffmpeg |
| 02:23.18 | kode101 | i was told thats how i run it |
| 02:23.23 | kode101 | when theres a folder called ffmpeg in my root |
| 02:23.24 | kode101 | dir |
| 02:23.31 | mniip | ./ffmpeg isn't a folder |
| 02:24.03 | kode101 | im really new to this ok so |
| 02:24.03 | kode101 | i have two users, one has privs and can log into the root folder |
| 02:24.03 | kode101 | i logged in, got a static build of ffmpeg |
| 02:24.05 | mniip | If you do "./ffmpeg" that implies it's a file, at first |
| 02:24.06 | kode101 | and now i have this folder ffmpeg |
| 02:24.11 | kode101 | oh |
| 02:24.22 | mniip | Then, it implies it's in your cwd |
| 02:24.32 | mniip | Which, I suppose, is /root/ |
| 02:24.42 | kode101 | cwd? |
| 02:24.49 | kode101 | ? ? directory |
| 02:24.53 | mniip | Current working directory |
| 02:25.02 | kode101 | thanks! |
| 02:25.07 | kode101 | yeah |
| 02:25.19 | kode101 | see, when i apt-get install this ffmpeg i get a real old version |
| 02:25.21 | kode101 | i dont know why that is |
| 02:25.27 | kode101 | but it seems ive just gotten a static build off the site |
| 02:25.38 | kode101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.42 | kode101 | but as a regular user |
| 02:25.44 | mniip | Ok, you have /root/ffmpeg |
| 02:25.47 | mniip | What then |
| 02:25.48 | kode101 | yea! |
| 02:25.57 | kode101 | as root |
| 02:26.02 | kode101 | i can just go ./ffmpeg |
| 02:26.05 | kode101 | and it zips alive |
| 02:26.06 | kode101 | but as a regular user |
| 02:26.08 | kode101 | i cant do that |
| 02:26.12 | mniip | Not as root, |
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| 02:26.27 | kode101 | in root as a sudo? |
| 02:26.29 | mniip | Rather by having cwd equal to /root/ |
| 02:26.29 | themill | Any reason you're not just using "aptitude install ffmpeg" and then running ffmpeg? |
| 02:26.34 | abrotman | !enter |
| 02:26.35 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 02:27.33 | kode101 | themill it gives me a very old unsupported ffmpeg |
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| 02:27.48 | kode101 | i have a static build here |
| 02:27.54 | kode101 | just dont know how i can use it as any user |
| 02:28.01 | themill | you can call it old and unsupported. I call it working. |
| 02:28.05 | mniip | kode101, whatever, the problem isnt being root or not |
| 02:28.27 | kode101 | i see |
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| 02:28.39 | kode101 | themill it lacks essential functions |
| 02:28.44 | themill | really. |
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| 02:28.47 | kode101 | concatenating mp4 |
| 02:28.58 | mniip | It's in the cwd, if you stand at north pole, "here" is "north pole", if you stand somewhere else - it's not |
| 02:29.04 | kode101 | thanks! |
| 02:29.07 | themill | objects to being told it's old and unsupported by someone who doesn't know what PATH is. |
| 02:29.34 | kode101 | well the important part of teaching is to be smug and offended about it themill |
| 02:29.39 | kode101 | thanks mniip |
| 02:29.45 | kode101 | how does one 'globalize' an app |
| 02:29.47 | mniip | themill, most likely he's been just told that it's old |
| 02:29.54 | kode101 | yeah thats the case aswell |
| 02:30.07 | mniip | kode101 put it in /usr/bin or somethimg |
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| 02:31.56 | mniip | themill, also you obviously mean PWD |
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| 02:32.02 | themill | I do not |
| 02:32.17 | kode101 | well then tell a dude what path is and be cool |
| 02:32.24 | mniip | PATH is list of lookup dirs when not given a path |
| 02:32.25 | kode101 | using illustrative and rewarding metaphors |
| 02:32.44 | kode101 | so i can edit path so that 'ffmpeg' looks wher ei want it to look |
| 02:32.48 | kode101 | here, the stable build of ffmpeg |
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| 02:33.30 | brutuskonk | hey guys, i |
| 02:33.34 | brutuskonk | woops entered too early hehe |
| 02:33.43 | mniip | kode101,cwd is your current location on the directory tree, "/" is what separates the "locations" |
| 02:33.58 | brutuskonk | i'm having trouble with libglib dependences: http://pastebin.com/Y5haxXbi |
| 02:34.08 | themill | kode101: btw ffmpeg in wheezy can concatenate mp4s just fine. |
| 02:34.10 | brutuskonk | tried to upgrade squeeze to wheezy |
| 02:34.11 | mniip | . refers to "here", .. refers to one step back |
| 02:34.39 | kode101 | awesome |
| 02:34.47 | kode101 | well themill |
| 02:34.54 | mniip | If a path begins with / ,it's an absolute path, otherwise - relative |
| 02:34.56 | kode101 | while i respect your urge to school me directly |
| 02:35.03 | kode101 | but ive now just got ffmpeg in /usr/bin |
| 02:35.05 | kode101 | which was a success forme |
| 02:35.09 | kode101 | a breakthru |
| 02:35.14 | kode101 | so i feel pretty good! |
| 02:35.22 | dvs | !enter |
| 02:35.22 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 02:35.27 | kode101 | now i'm wondering if you could give me an example commnand of concating mp4 files |
| 02:35.50 | Coburn | dpkg: single package upgrade |
| 02:35.51 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Coburn |
| 02:35.57 | reavengrey | cat 1 2 3 4 > 5 |
| 02:35.58 | Coburn | buger |
| 02:36.05 | themill | Coburn: aptitude upgrade packagename? |
| 02:36.25 | Coburn | I'd like to install jessie's apache2 but when I did it last time, it pulled a crapload of extra stuff |
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| 02:36.36 | mniip | kode101, -_- |
| 02:36.38 | Coburn | and wanted to update half the system |
| 02:36.48 | themill | Coburn: ahh. no. don't try mixing releases like that. And apache2 isn't easily backportable. |
| 02:37.04 | kode101 | whats the prob mniip |
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| 02:37.39 | mniip | kode101, here's a useful advice: if you have problems with program X, first thing you do is: man X |
| 02:37.45 | kode101 | THANKS |
| 02:37.49 | kode101 | that will help SO MUCH |
| 02:37.57 | kode101 | oops sorry that came out sarcastic |
| 02:38.00 | kode101 | im trying to be genuine! |
| 02:38.03 | kode101 | i forgot those basics |
| 02:38.15 | brutuskonk | !enter |
| 02:38.15 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 02:38.19 | Coburn | themill: yeah, learnt the hardware bacuse i bricked apache and headdesked for like 3 hours |
| 02:38.28 | Coburn | then I fixed it after a good feed |
| 02:38.31 | Coburn | :P |
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| 03:21.38 | brutuskonk | anyone that can assist? |
| 03:22.56 | roger21 | State The Nature Of Your Medical Emergency |
| 03:23.22 | cafuego | HAVE YOU TRIED TURNING IT OFF AND ON AGAIN? |
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| 03:25.24 | brutuskonk | cafuego: lololol |
| 03:25.27 | brutuskonk | i'm having trouble with libglib dependences: http://pastebin.com/Y5haxXbi |
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| 03:25.59 | elv | do more people use stable or testing, just curios |
| 03:26.10 | brutuskonk | (trying to upgrade oldstable to stable) |
| 03:27.04 | brutuskonk | keep getting dpkg warnings that the files list file for package 'libgtk2.0-common' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed yadda yadda |
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| 03:27.35 | roger21 | first you may consider dist upgrade instead ? |
| 03:27.56 | brutuskonk | roger21: i'm currently doing that now |
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| 03:29.39 | roger21 | then it is just bitching about a pre-script error, just do what it can't do by hand (making backup and such) |
| 03:29.40 | forculus | can someone help me with a hostname resolution issue between windows and linux? |
| 03:29.58 | cafuego | currently now is a superfluous redundant statement |
| 03:30.41 | brutuskonk | roger21: i believe i stuffed things up when i tried to get squeeze-backports packages libevent2.0-5 and libevent-dev packages and cafuego haha nice pickup |
| 03:30.48 | forculus | I'm trying to ping a windows box by hostname from linux and am unable |
| 03:31.08 | cafuego | will go for a walk instead of being mean and useless |
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| 03:32.27 | brutuskonk | cafuego: walk later! |
| 03:33.19 | roger21 | forculus, well all you need is to stuff you /etc/host with the right couple ip-hostname ? |
| 03:33.46 | roger21 | /etc/hosts even |
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| 03:33.53 | forculus | roger21: what if they change? |
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| 03:34.56 | forculus | roger21: i've been trying to read up on using winbind and samba to do this, but i cannot get it to work |
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| 03:35.36 | darkapp | how do i check how much memory i have left on my harddrive? |
| 03:36.16 | roger21 | dfdf |
| 03:36.24 | roger21 | only once will do |
| 03:36.37 | roger21 | forculus, i have no clue |
| 03:37.20 | brutuskonk | roger21: still doing the dist-upgrade.. its bringing up that warning occasionally though |
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| 03:48.35 | uw | hellooo. to install the package it's just "apt-get install experimental PACKAGENAME". however to build-dep of that experimental package, how do i specify it? |
| 03:49.05 | uw | as in, "apt-get build-dep experimental PACKAGENAME" i would think would work |
| 03:49.25 | uw | but i get "E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list" |
| 03:50.05 | uw | where "apt-get install experimental PACKAGENAME" installs the experimental version of PACKAGENAME with no problems |
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| 03:52.50 | LtL | uw: so add deb-src lines in sources.list |
| 03:53.30 | LtL | uw: oh, and update it |
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| 04:03.17 | uw | hello LtL and thanks for the response. I just added those lines, however it doesn't look like "deb-src" is available. here is the url in the sources.list http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/wheezy/InRelease |
| 04:04.05 | uw | it's the only link in there. the line is "deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi deb-src" where the deb-src at the end is what I added |
| 04:04.14 | LtL | uw: I don't know anything about raspbian, sorry |
| 04:04.39 | uw | LtL no prob thanks for getting me somewhere anyway |
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| 04:05.40 | LtL | uw: deb-src should'nt be appended, it needs to be a new line, e.g. deb-src http://blah/blah |
| 04:05.43 | Th0masR0ss | !raspbiN |
| 04:05.53 | Th0masR0ss | !raspbian |
| 04:05.53 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 04:14.11 | brutuskonk | roger21: you still there? |
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| 04:29.48 | tuxy | hey guys, if I do a netinstall of Debian 7, but dont have a network since the stable kernel doesnt have the NIC drivers, can I still compile a set of drivers for the NIC? |
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| 04:32.07 | IncognitoMan | just curious.....is there something wrong with dist-upgrade from testing to sid in regards to xorg and such? |
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| 04:36.58 | brutuskonk | can anyone offer a solution to this? http://pastebin.com/7T7hFZtr -- just did a dist-upgrade and still cant get out of this problem |
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| 04:39.51 | nonconvergent | Is there a way to list every package currently installed that depends on a specific package? |
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| 04:40.30 | nonconvergent | I'm wonder where gnome-shell got pulled from. |
| 04:40.32 | peterrooney | nonconvergent: apt-get --recon remove package ?? |
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| 04:42.44 | nonconvergent | peterrooney: That didn't help, unfortunately. |
| 04:43.08 | nonconvergent | No idea where gnome-shell came from. |
| 04:43.17 | tuxy | if I do a debian net install, how can I update the kernel without the stable one not having my NIC drivers? |
| 04:43.25 | nonconvergent | The only other one in here is gnome-session, and I certainly didn't pull that in. |
| 04:44.17 | peterrooney | nonconvergent: "aptitude why package" is my second guess. |
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| 04:45.02 | uw | LtL thanks again that fixed the problem |
| 04:45.18 | nonconvergent | aptitude why gnome-session only lists recommends. |
| 04:45.38 | nonconvergent | I guess something I did at some point took recommends too far. |
| 04:46.30 | LtL | uw: cool. welcome |
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| 04:55.29 | anonymuouss | is there a way to integrate using buildroot and debian. Or is this just going to be a nightmare? |
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| 04:57.10 | anonymuouss | ok nvm i got it |
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| 05:25.02 | djcb | hmm, what's going on with perlapi-5.14.2 in sid? it seems at the bottom of the dependency stack, and it's missing... |
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| 05:29.40 | Derpian | djcb: join #debian-next on irc.oftc.net - this channel is for stable |
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| 05:32.47 | djcb | Derpian: i'll do that, thanks! |
| 05:32.54 | Derpian | np |
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| 05:41.48 | bullgard4 | [wheezy] /etc/adjtime contains the following text: "-0.048975 1377691989 0.000000; 1377691989; UTC" Where is the meaning of this text explained? I grepped in 'man ntpdate' but could not find it. |
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| 05:53.25 | xuser | nice that debian wheezy is officially keeping up wih chromium releases: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/chromium |
| 05:53.49 | xuser | or is there something I didn't noticed? ;) |
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| 05:57.56 | nonconvergent | Security sensative stuff gets tested and updated through out the life of the release. Browsers are very security sensitive. |
| 05:59.14 | nonconvergent | It's a relatively small list compared to the rest |
| 06:00.13 | rjsalts | heh chromium is in the wrong category |
| 06:00.49 | nonconvergent | There used to be another package named chromium that was a game. |
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| 06:01.05 | rjsalts | I know, it's chromium-bsu now |
| 06:01.10 | nonconvergent | Yeah. |
| 06:01.30 | rjsalts | but the web interface doesn't know about the package swap |
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| 06:01.51 | nonconvergent | It's not the interface, it's the database its pulling data from. |
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| 06:08.44 | gnude | hello all debian developers, i must say: debian wheezy is nice eye-candy. i installed it the day it released. but at home one computer only has 1gb ram and graphic-card onboard. there i have troube with the desktop (maybe not enough ram) so i decided to switch back zu squeeze. and i was surprised, working with squeeze is much quicker. the computer at work i switched back to debian 6 too. |
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| 06:16.05 | lxsameer | hi guys, I'm in Sid and after a dist-upgrade i lost my intel vga driver, I can't install it because of dependecy error, does any one ran to a same problem ? |
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| 06:27.44 | rjsalts | lxsameer: apt-cache policy ... |
| 06:28.18 | lxsameer | rjsalts: policy of the package i want to install? |
| 06:28.24 | rjsalts | lxsameer: and #debian-next on oftc is where all the people on the bleeding edge live |
| 06:28.31 | rjsalts | lxsameer: correct |
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| 06:28.36 | rule_3 | I'm trying to ./configure libimobiledevice 1.1.5 since this new version is not in aptitide yet, and it depends on libusbmuxd v. 1.0.8 |
| 06:28.46 | rule_3 | I found that dependency here http://packages.debian.org/experimental/libusbmuxd2 |
| 06:29.05 | lxsameer | rjsalts: thanks man |
| 06:29.08 | rule_3 | when I go to ./configure libimobiledevice though, it still shows that I am missing libusbmux.. even though I just installed it |
| 06:29.51 | rjsalts | rule_3: did you install the dev files as well? |
| 06:29.53 | rule_3 | what gives? :( |
| 06:30.00 | rule_3 | doh, let me check and see rjsalts |
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| 06:31.25 | rule_3 | that fixed it, rjsalts , now i'm onto the next dependency |
| 06:31.30 | rule_3 | doh, forgot to install the -dev in addition |
| 06:31.36 | rule_3 | what an amateur error |
| 06:31.41 | rule_3 | thank you |
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| 06:32.30 | rule_3 | i haven't been in dependency hell since 2003 when i used mandrake 9 |
| 06:32.46 | rule_3 | this is bringing back some fond memories of being up until 4 am following the rabbit hole to the end |
| 06:33.07 | rjsalts | rule_3: no INSTALL file with the dependencies? |
| 06:33.10 | rule_3 | if I were sane I'd give in and just buy a non-apple branded media player and call it a day |
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| 06:33.46 | rjsalts | rule_3: you're rebuilding debs? or building from source? |
| 06:33.51 | rule_3 | rjsalts: no, just a thin readme and an install-sh script |
| 06:34.00 | rjsalts | rule_3: upstream source that is |
| 06:34.19 | rule_3 | rjsalts: I am building libimobiledevice 1.1.5 from source because I cannot find a deb package for this version. older versions do not function with ios6 |
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| 06:34.26 | rule_3 | usually I let apt do all the work |
| 06:34.47 | rule_3 | as lame as this sounds, my ./configure just worked, and this feels uniquely rewarding |
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| 06:35.02 | rule_3 | i feel like I have accomplished something, there's joy here even though the software isn't functioning yet |
| 06:35.27 | rule_3 | package managers took away that feeling of accomplishment, overcoming dependencies were like those early 80s text video games |
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| 06:42.05 | Kobra | anyone know where accountsservice stores it's files? |
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| 06:44.40 | Wulf | Kobra: don't know. Maybe you know why that process needs 300 megabytes of my precious memory? :) |
| 06:44.59 | Kobra | Wulf: yeah, it's leaking memory like a bitch |
| 06:45.08 | Kobra | 2.7GiB earlier :( |
| 06:45.10 | jirka_on_d | hello all, could somebody point me where should i look for help for this error please?: php[2379] trap stack segment ip:6e815d sp:7fff1d162910 error:0 (it's on Linux version 3.2.0-4-amd64 (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 4.6.3 (Debian 4.6.3-14) ) #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 as /proc/version says) |
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| 06:45.38 | Kobra | Wulf: oh, also, it leaks when you: open a terminal, connect via ssh, or anything related |
| 06:45.51 | Wulf | I found that just killing it fixes the problem |
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| 06:46.10 | Kobra | well, in my case, gnome-shell still holds onto the memory |
| 06:46.15 | Kobra | so it's currently at 2.2GiB |
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| 07:01.48 | so-rude | سمَـَّوُوُحخ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ امارتيخ ̷̴̐خ |
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| 07:06.42 | Handuel | I am creating a custom debian CD from this guide: http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual.en.html however when I boot using qemu, I am presented with the options: Live, and more options, more options brings up a list of memtest diagnostics, however live does absolutely nothing. I am building the iso using lb config; lb build. Does anyone know why it isn't working? |
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| 07:09.37 | deego | Handuel: 9 times out of 10 for me, that happens when the cd didn't burn properly. |
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| 07:10.02 | deego | Handuel: There's a checksum or something way to verify if everything burned properly. |
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| 07:10.39 | deego | oh, "custom" cd.. didn't see that. Nice. |
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| 07:13.54 | hyper_ch | hi there, I'm writing a little web app using sqlite and I have a query that makes sqlite on debian crash. In the sqlite channel I was told, that due to a crash there could also be security issues at hand. |
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| 07:16.48 | Kobra | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3m2lAu7LZs |
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| 07:17.05 | Handuel | deego: I'm not burning it, I'm just running the ISO using virtualisation software. |
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| 07:20.27 | muek | I am running a debian system with mysql and nginx, I need a lightweight and reliable backup solutions which can backup these applications and its data and move it to an external source. Must be fully configureable through the terminal. Any advice? Thank you. |
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| 07:21.15 | hyper_ch | rsync |
| 07:21.18 | hyper_ch | mysqldump |
| 07:21.24 | hyper_ch | cp |
| 07:21.32 | hyper_ch | all in one script :) |
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| 07:22.56 | Perdu | muek: You may be interested in automysqlbackup + rsync for moving the backups |
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| 07:25.38 | blz37 | there was a surge in sound and suddenly, no more sound. |
| 07:25.42 | blz37 | what should I check ? |
| 07:25.54 | blz37 | I tried manipulating "aumix" to no avail. |
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| 07:30.09 | NoOova | Anybody uses SID? |
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| 07:31.00 | NoOova | Today i updates and found that package perl-5.14 was removed |
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| 07:31.34 | NoOova | this causes that half of my sysyem was removed too |
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| 07:33.04 | mumpitze1 | your own fault with running sid and running apt-get without a brain. it told you how it would remove tons of shit beforehand |
| 07:33.43 | NoOova | but it is so intresting =) |
| 07:33.57 | burek | does the example /etc/network/interface settings for multiple ip addresses on the same interface (at https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration) apply to cases where ip addresses are on a different subnets? |
| 07:34.04 | NoOova | next times, i'll use --dry-run option |
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| 07:36.32 | themill | NoOova: welcome to sid. |
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| 07:38.00 | mumpitze1 | wonders how long it takes them to fix perl. it's not as if this would be a unimpotant package |
| 07:38.40 | Wulf | huh? perl's broken? |
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| 07:39.49 | Wulf | oh, apt-get dist-upgrade -u wants to remove a lot :) |
| 07:40.05 | Handuel | Perl's not broken.... |
| 07:40.17 | NoOova | Wulf it removeD a lot =( |
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| 07:40.57 | Wulf | NoOova: I always check the list of removed packages before I do it |
| 07:41.14 | NoOova | Wulf: i'll do in future |
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| 07:42.12 | Handuel | I think apt-get needs an undo command which undoes the changes in the last run, would be usefull for when you forget to check the list |
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| 07:43.07 | themill | Handuel: that's never going to be possible |
| 07:43.40 | burek | just to answer my own question: it does. :) |
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| 07:46.47 | NoOova | themill: it is possible. do "git init" in "/" |
| 07:46.53 | NoOova | ))))))) |
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| 07:47.44 | themill | use VM snapshots if you want that sort of thing |
| 07:47.54 | mumpitze1 | lvm snapshots? |
| 07:48.14 | jelly-home | nexenta used zfs snapshots to add that functionality into their apt fork |
| 07:48.51 | jelly-home | so: possible, just not on linux / not in debian |
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| 07:49.03 | themill | that's only going to work if you snapshot every filesystem that apt might touch (not just / and /usr) |
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| 07:50.15 | jelly-home | of course |
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| 07:50.50 | themill | So by the time you're also doing this to /etc and /var, it's looking a lot like a VM snapshot |
| 07:51.39 | jelly-home | but done from an apt-* command |
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| 07:51.58 | themill | Each tool should do one thing well? |
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| 07:52.56 | jelly-home | tell that to zfs, btrfs and systemd authors |
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| 07:53.20 | jelly-home | crossing boundaries is sometimes useful |
| 07:54.58 | Handuel | themill: why couldn't apt just right some sort of history list for the last run like: installed: thispackage removed: anotherpackage etc and apt-get undo just reverts the changes described in that file |
| 07:55.17 | streusalz | hi, i have about 500 text files that end on *.wiki and within all these textfiles i want to change every rel://file/foo.jpg to rel://data/foo.jpg - i have other rel://files/bar.doc -they should remain unchanged. what's the best way to go about it? |
| 07:55.30 | streusalz | all text files are in one folder |
| 07:55.34 | streusalz | ;) |
| 07:55.41 | streusalz | called /files |
| 07:55.47 | Wulf | streusalz: sed -i 's,rel://file/foo.jpg,rel://data/foo.jpg,' *.wiki |
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| 07:55.57 | Wulf | streusalz: sed -i 's,rel://file/foo.jpg,rel://data/foo.jpg,' /files/*.wiki |
| 07:56.06 | themill | Handuel: it's not possible to undo file format changes that could well have happened in the upgrade |
| 07:56.23 | jelly-home | Handuel: it can't undo changes to data structures that upstream software makes easily (or at all); eg. with a database product that introduces schema changes on upgrade |
| 07:56.38 | streusalz | hits himslef for not thinking about sed |
| 07:56.42 | Handuel | Ah ok. |
| 07:56.58 | Handuel | themill jelly-home sorry for being stupid |
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| 07:57.32 | themill | it's not stupid at all -- it's not a very obvious thing that the maintainer scripts are doing a lot of work for you on an upgrade |
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| 07:57.54 | streusalz | Wulf: wouldn't it be more like sed 's/foo/bar' filename ? |
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| 08:00.18 | Handuel | I have a .iso file and when I mount it it mounts as read only, is there any way of mounting it read-write |
| 08:00.18 | streusalz | Wulf: anyway, thank you :) |
| 08:00.44 | Harzilein | Handuel: hmm. i think for your undo scheme to work you'd only need to collect timestamps of apt-runs, then compare to timestamps of dpkg info files. |
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| 08:01.27 | Harzilein | Handuel: but i concur that downgrading is not well supported |
| 08:01.29 | Wulf | streusalz: the / is a delimiter. You can choose others like , or @ |
| 08:01.40 | Harzilein | Handuel: but i guess the attempt could be automated in a better way |
| 08:01.48 | Handuel | Harzilein: I think it might be possible, but only if package mantainers added scripts that downgraded for you |
| 08:01.56 | Handuel | and no one would bother with that |
| 08:03.01 | Harzilein | mostly a problem for upstream anyway. and it's rare that upstream does not want you to run the latest and greatest |
| 08:03.11 | streusalz | Wulf, oh, didn't know - i never did sed before - i just once saw it and thought - wow, gonna remember this one! well, i failed :P anyway, i'll rtfm now that i know what to look out for |
| 08:03.46 | Wulf | streusalz: it's the same in many regex implementations. I usually recommend @ as delimiter, it's the most useless char. |
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| 08:04.49 | Handuel | speaking of sed what should I read to learn it, it sounds pretty nesscarry for terminal work, but if I see a script with it in it just looks like nonsense to me |
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| 08:05.35 | Wulf | Handuel: pinfo sed |
| 08:05.49 | Wulf | Handuel: and a good book or similar material on regular expressions |
| 08:06.27 | rjsalts | Handuel: I'd recommend using sed -r for more pcre style regexp |
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| 08:10.56 | Iridos | dpkg, regex |
| 08:10.57 | dpkg | somebody said regex was ^[$%]?s/.*?:(?:\\\\\\\)+/.*?:(?:\\\\\\\\)*/[i]?$, or tutorial at http://weblogtoolscollection.com/regex/regex.php |
| 08:11.42 | streusalz | hm, the strings i want to change are in "nomal" text - so i guess I need the /g falg, since it won't me at the start of line |
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| 08:11.48 | streusalz | *flg |
| 08:12.05 | streusalz | maybe /I too, because i have jgp and JPG files |
| 08:12.15 | Rasteril | Hello, I wanted to ask, where can I configure the default window manager for the Xserver? |
| 08:12.20 | rjsalts | streusalz: the g flag is if you have multiple matches on a line |
| 08:12.40 | streusalz | rjsalts: oh well, that i might want it either wey :D |
| 08:12.46 | streusalz | **way |
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| 08:13.27 | rjsalts | streusalz: http://paste.debian.net/31725/ |
| 08:13.55 | streusalz | Oo |
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| 08:14.54 | kode101 | what does this mean |
| 08:14.55 | kode101 | Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory Errors were encountered while processing: gpac |
| 08:15.06 | kode101 | i get it when running sudo dpkg -i thena deb file |
| 08:15.06 | streusalz | rjsalts: don't know what to make of that |
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| 08:15.26 | mumpitze1 | kode101: set and generate a proper locale |
| 08:15.30 | mumpitze1 | !tell kode101 about locale |
| 08:15.33 | rjsalts | streusalz: the difference between /g or not |
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| 08:16.14 | rjsalts | streusalz: i.e. with the /g it matches all the instances on a line, without it only matches the first |
| 08:16.50 | streusalz | rjsalts: ah ok :) - thought you tried to make an additional point. |
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| 08:17.24 | streusalz | since i'm pretty sure there might be more than one rel://files/foo.jpg in a line i use /g |
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| 08:17.36 | streusalz | backs up the data |
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| 08:19.43 | SynchronE | Hey huys, can anyone point me to a decent Radeon (i got 7750) on Wheezy setup guide ? I installed fglrx but no video acceleration seems to be present |
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| 08:21.54 | streusalz | Wulf: what the difference betwenn -i (inline edit) and no -i ? |
| 08:22.28 | Wulf | streusalz: "no -i" reads outputs to stdout |
| 08:22.32 | Wulf | -reads |
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| 08:22.51 | streusalz | Wulf: thank you |
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| 08:26.21 | Handuel | Rasteril do you use a display manager or are you start x with startx |
| 08:27.19 | Rasteril | Handuel, I start x with startx (is there a difference?) |
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| 08:28.29 | Rasteril | Handuel: I don't have any ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession running. Where else could it be configured? |
| 08:28.37 | ezra-s | Rasteril, when you start with startx there is no display manager, just that, once you exit you return to console |
| 08:29.54 | Rasteril | ezra-s: when I startx, my default window manager 'i3' starts. I don't know where is this defined. |
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| 08:30.17 | Handuel | Rasteril: create a ~/.xinitrc and configure it there |
| 08:30.52 | ezra-s | Rasteril, I don't remember exactly either if it's not in ~/.xinitrc the default should reside in /etc/X11 in a file with a similar name/fashion |
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| 08:31.18 | ezra-s | like Handuel says you can specify what to launch in your .xinitrc file |
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| 08:31.27 | streusalz | Wulf: i can't get it to work for random picture names |
| 08:31.32 | Rasteril | Handuel: I know that'd work, but somewhere it's configured without the use of the .xinitrc file |
| 08:31.56 | Handuel | Rasteril: What wm is it using by default? |
| 08:32.01 | Rasteril | ezra-s: could it be the Xsession? |
| 08:32.10 | ezra-s | Rasteril, .xinitrc works, there is a default in /etc/X11 and there is own choosing in .xinitrc file |
| 08:32.13 | streusalz | Wulf: the point is: i will move images from /files to /data - but all my text files are referencing the images in /files so i have to cahnge all text files to refernce the pictures in /data from now on |
| 08:32.35 | ezra-s | Rasteril, don't ask me , look for yourself, I told you I don't remember and I'm not going to look it up for you, lazy!! :P |
| 08:32.45 | Handuel | ezra-s :D |
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| 08:32.59 | Rasteril | Handuel: well, I set it to i3 a long time ago and now I don't remember where... |
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| 08:33.12 | Handuel | Rasteril Ah... |
| 08:33.13 | Rasteril | ezra-s, sure, thanks :) |
| 08:33.30 | ezra-s | hehe |
| 08:33.39 | Handuel | Rasteril: I use i3 as well, the guide to setting it to default tells to use xinitrc :D |
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| 08:33.54 | streusalz | Wulf: i'm going to move to #sed - it's a bit ot here - thank you for your help |
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| 08:34.10 | normanno | hi |
| 08:34.18 | Handuel | Rasteril I think it must be in /etc/X11 |
| 08:34.22 | normanno | how can i use a proxy with wget? |
| 08:34.24 | ezra-s | it is always better to use your .xinitrc and leave default /etc/X11 files untouched to avoid problems |
| 08:34.39 | ezra-s | unless default choice is what you want |
| 08:35.00 | Rasteril | Handuel, thank you, I'll look there., by the way, do you know of a good terminal that allows transparency? i3 looks gorgeous with effects like those! |
| 08:35.03 | normanno | i 've used "export HTTP_PROXY=..." and then "wget -Y on" but it still isnt using the proxy .. any clue? |
| 08:35.47 | Handuel | Rasteril: gnome-terminal does that |
| 08:35.55 | Rasteril | ezra-s, yes, I'll be smarter next time |
| 08:36.02 | Rasteril | Handuel, thank you, i'll check that |
| 08:36.16 | Handuel | Rasteril the file is /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 08:36.19 | digdilem | normanno, what does -Y do? |
| 08:36.26 | digdilem | it should use the proxy without any switches |
| 08:36.30 | Sevet | normanno: export http_proxy=... (lowercase) |
| 08:36.40 | digdilem | ah |
| 08:36.43 | digdilem | yes, that could be it |
| 08:36.54 | ezra-s | Rasteril, I'm sure you will |
| 08:36.55 | normanno | Sevet: thanks |
| 08:37.28 | normanno | yes it works now :) |
| 08:37.45 | Handuel | Rasteril: the one problem with gnome-terminal is it depends on tons of gnome libs, it does transparancy and image backgrounds well though |
| 08:39.36 | Rasteril | Handuel, yes, I tred the xfce4-terminal, it also allows transparency, but it's too bulky compared to xterm... |
| 08:41.37 | woshty | Rasteril: Bulky? |
| 08:41.44 | Rasteril | Handuel, I like my terminals to start fast (faster than you can blink), to get the pleasure of performance out of it. |
| 08:42.03 | Handuel | Rasteril: yh, anything with transparancy probably won't do that |
| 08:42.14 | Handuel | Rasteril unless you modify the xterm source |
| 08:42.15 | Rasteril | woshty, it has lots of features I don't need. |
| 08:42.43 | Rasteril | Handuel, maybe someone already did that .. |
| 08:43.52 | Handuel | Rasteril: yh. If they haven't you could have a go :D do you know C |
| 08:43.53 | Handuel | ? |
| 08:44.40 | Rasteril | Handuel, I do, on an well enough to understand and make some changes :) |
| 08:44.49 | woshty | Rasteril: Ah, k. Thought you might mean space taken on the screen by useless menus and font size. |
| 08:45.24 | kode101 | can somebody explain this |
| 08:45.26 | kode101 | http://pastebin.com/iPQUJpx0 |
| 08:45.29 | Rasteril | woshty, that is a side effect of too many features. But I guess you can hide the menu bar and change the font size. |
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| 08:45.54 | woshty | Rasteril: yep, did that and am quite happy. |
| 08:47.33 | tralala | kode101, what does 'apt-cache policy' say? |
| 08:47.42 | Rasteril | kode101, apt-get -f fixes broken dependencies |
| 08:48.02 | Rasteril | kode101, the two missing dependencies listed will be installed |
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| 08:49.39 | Handuel | Does the "casper" package exist in debian wheezy? |
| 08:50.35 | tralala | ,v gpac-modules-base |
| 08:50.36 | judd | Package: gpac-modules-base on i386 -- jessie: 0.5.0~dfsg0-1; wheezy: 0.5.0~dfsg0-1; sid: 0.5.0+svn4288~dfsg1-2; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.5.0-dmo3; sid-multimedia: 1:0.5.0-dmo3; wheezy-multimedia: 1:0.5.0-dmo3 |
| 08:50.51 | kode101 | what does that mean tralala |
| 08:50.58 | kode101 | i've run apt-get -f |
| 08:51.02 | kode101 | apt-get -f install too |
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| 08:51.52 | woshty | kode101: and? |
| 08:52.06 | jirka_on_d | hello all, could somebody point me where should i look for help for this error please?: php[2379] trap stack segment ip:6e815d sp:7fff1d162910 error:0 (it's on Linux version 3.2.0-4-amd64 (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 4.6.3 (Debian 4.6.3-14) ) #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 as /proc/version says) |
| 08:52.22 | tralala | kode101, it's a command that you have to run and show us the output |
| 08:52.55 | jirka_on_d | Handuel>do you mean casperjs ? |
| 08:52.57 | Handuel | jirka_on_d: what are you trying to do when you get that error |
| 08:53.07 | kode101 | The following packages will be REMOVED: gpac gpac-modules-base libgpac-dev 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 3 to remove and 2 not upgraded. 3 not fully installed or removed. After this operation, 12.0 MB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? |
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| 08:53.49 | Handuel | jirka_on_d: I mean casper as in the tool for generating initrd images for liveCD creation |
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| 08:54.40 | tralala | kode101, apt-cache policy |
| 08:54.51 | jirka_on_d | Handuel>I see, regarding the error, it occurs when updating records in ElasticSearch index from MySQL database |
| 08:55.49 | kode101 | what will i do with that info tralala |
| 08:55.52 | kode101 | what am i looking for |
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| 08:56.49 | jirka_on_d | Handuel> no casper package in my apt |
| 08:56.57 | woshty | kode101: Did you type apt-get -f install or apt-get -f install gpac? |
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| 08:57.19 | kode101 | the former woshty |
| 08:57.42 | kode101 | Package gpac is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package 'gpac' has no installation candidate |
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| 08:59.10 | tralala | kode101, put the output on a pastebin so we can see it |
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| 08:59.54 | kode101 | thats the only line that sticks out tralala |
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| 09:00.31 | kode101 | http://pastebin.com/5LX88Rvx |
| 09:01.05 | andkore | after a few months of upgrading packages, my brightness control buttons stopped working. I can still change the brightness of my laptop screen from the command line, but the keyboard buttons aren't working |
| 09:01.17 | andkore | anyone have an idea of how I should go about troubleshooting this? |
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| 09:01.49 | mumpitze1 | you google for a howto for your laptop model on google |
| 09:01.58 | andkore | the brightness keys do make the brightness meter visible on screen, but the brightness doesn't change as the bar goes up and down |
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| 09:02.05 | andkore | mumpitze1: it has nothing to do with my laptop |
| 09:02.13 | andkore | as I said, I can change the brightness manually |
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| 09:02.42 | Harzilein | andkore: the solution _will_ be specific to your laptop model |
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| 09:03.08 | andkore | ok |
| 09:03.10 | Harzilein | andkore: it's not about blame, it's about getting your solution from someone who has tested that it works |
| 09:03.11 | woshty | Is there and out-of-the-box osd solution? |
| 09:03.30 | woshty | s/and/an |
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| 09:03.38 | andkore | woshty: I think the OSD thing is from xfce |
| 09:03.43 | tralala | kode101, I need the whole output of apt-cache policy |
| 09:03.44 | andkore | xfce4-power-manager |
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| 09:04.23 | andkore | xfce4-power-manager-plugins is supposed to provide a plugin that allows brightness control |
| 09:04.39 | woshty | andkore: ah, thank you. should have inquired about that a few weeks ago :) |
| 09:05.00 | andkore | woshty: huh? maybe I didn't understand your question |
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| 09:06.17 | woshty | andkore: No question. I wrote a script a few weeks ago to do exactly that, display a bar and change brightness - and I am using xfce. |
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| 09:06.24 | andkore | oh |
| 09:06.34 | woshty | just could have saved the time. |
| 09:07.10 | andkore | right. |
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| 09:07.35 | andkore | I don't see how this problem will have a laptop-specific solution, when the buttons are obviously working, and the brightness control is working |
| 09:07.45 | andkore | to me that indicates that it's just a software problem |
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| 09:12.13 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | hello |
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| 09:13.13 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | unfortunately i'm using openvz on a vps, i'm having debian 7 x64 and tryied to install java on the machine and that openvz keeps me from starting the JVM |
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| 09:13.53 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | vswap cannot be used because "you are not superuser" and the other swap thing is not configured and cannot be disabled |
| 09:13.59 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | any help? |
| 09:13.59 | mumpitze1 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: which java? and what happens when you are trying to run it? |
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| 09:14.41 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | http://paste.debian.net/31738/ |
| 09:15.03 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | the same thing everytime i call up java, either version, either start an application using java |
| 09:15.39 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | i have allocated from the openvz about 4GB ram, but cannot start java and can't understand why |
| 09:15.48 | mumpitze1 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: java -Xms64m -Xmx64m -version |
| 09:15.55 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | and i understand openvz is not suported anymore by debian |
| 09:16.03 | mumpitze1 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: and how much RAM does "free" report? |
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| 09:16.43 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | wait wait wait, either i'm dreaming or lemme show you the output |
| 09:16.54 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | http://paste.debian.net/31739/ |
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| 09:17.33 | hyper_ch | hi there, I wanted to report a bug with the bugreport tool and it tells me there's a newer version out there... however apt can't find a newer version |
| 09:18.23 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | ok that output has never come up until now |
| 09:18.30 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | what does that mean? |
| 09:18.39 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | ms64m and mx64m ? |
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| 09:18.54 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: It means that you can run java if you lower the amount of memory it uses |
| 09:19.24 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | how should i set it to at least 512m ? |
| 09:19.49 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | changing the numbers won't work |
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| 09:20.22 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: And didn't you say that you removed your Oracle installations? As diagnosed yesterday: This seems to be a general problem with OpenVZ (or rather a typical configuration error) and you probably have to talk to your hoster about this. (or find a hoster that doesn't use OpenVZ) |
| 09:20.54 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | i've reinstalled the system this morning |
| 09:20.59 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | it's wheezy |
| 09:21.09 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: I don't quite understand your question - You can set it to 512m simply by setting it to that value, but that doesn't mean that it'll work with that value. |
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| 09:21.43 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | how to i set it with that value just to try it |
| 09:21.51 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: What does "update-java-alternatives --list" give you? That doesn't look like OpenJDK, but meh. |
| 09:22.07 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: You replace 64 with 512?! |
| 09:22.43 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | There is only one alternative in link group java (providing /usr/bin/java): /opt/java-oracle/jdk1.7.0/bin/java |
| 09:22.43 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | Nothing to configure. |
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| 09:23.16 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: So you installed Oracle's Java again despite our recommendation to install OpenJDK? |
| 09:23.23 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | i didn't use a package i used the same java.com source |
| 09:23.56 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | openjdk has the same pkg as the one last night? |
| 09:24.04 | babilen | You might want to seek support in ##java or on java.com in that case -- I wonder *why* you did it though. |
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| 09:25.13 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | openjdk looks promising in the installation |
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| 09:25.42 | babilen | You installed the unsupported (by us) JDK from java.com because "openjdk looks promising in the installation" ? |
| 09:26.39 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | i mean that openjdk that you recommended is the one i'm installing now, and hasn't givn me any error reports up to now |
| 09:26.50 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | just this one that i don't understand if it's good or not |
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| 09:26.52 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline |
| 09:26.56 | babilen | Either way: We know what the problem is (resource restrictions due to a misconfigured OpenVZ instance) and we also know that you should install openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre (or s/jre/jdk/ if you want that) |
| 09:27.33 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | i'm installing now openjdk-7-jre |
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| 09:28.14 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | and this is the final output |
| 09:28.18 | babilen | That still won't solve the issue with OpenVZ resource restrictions though. |
| 09:28.25 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | http://paste.debian.net/31749/ |
| 09:28.39 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | it's worth a try thouth |
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| 09:30.18 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | so regardless of those restrictions, is there a way (not by far an easy one) that i can make that java run? |
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| 09:30.30 | babilen | You should talk to your hoster about this and ask them to use a sensible OpenVZ configuration *or* find a hoster that uses a different virtualisation scheme. You *might* get it working by using something like "export _JAVA_OPTIONS="-Xmx64m -Xms64m" but I haven't tested that. |
| 09:30.53 | babilen | In short: Find a less shitty hoster |
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| 09:32.37 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | either you are messing with me or you didn't get the point that i'm a noob in debian and willing to test any solution you give me....because....the export command did something...relatively good i guess |
| 09:33.07 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | http://paste.debian.net/31750/ |
| 09:33.11 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: good, run "dpkg --configure -a" then and show me the output |
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| 09:33.52 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | nothing/no output at all |
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| 09:34.14 | babilen | Ah, okay. What about "apt-get install openjdk-7-jre" ? |
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| 09:34.51 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | http://paste.debian.net/31751/ |
| 09:34.56 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | says it's the latest version |
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| 09:36.21 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: Okay, run "aptitude purge openjdk-7-jre ; apt-get install openjdk-7-jre" and show me the output of that please. You also should get rid of your local Oracle Java installation in due course. |
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| 09:38.51 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | aptitude isn't working so apt-get purge... |
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| 09:39.50 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | http://paste.debian.net/31755/ |
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| 09:43.17 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: That looks about alright -- What does "java -version" and "update-java-alternatives --list" give you now? |
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| 09:43.50 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: And what do you mean by "aptitude isn't working" I quite intentionally wanted you to use aptitude. Why can't you use it? |
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| 09:44.58 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | http://paste.debian.net/31756/ |
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| 09:45.29 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | aptitude: command not found |
| 09:46.02 | Sevet | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: dpkg -l aptitude |
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| 09:46.16 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: Either way: You should now: 1. Remove the Oracle Java installation (can't help you there without knowing what *you* did to install it. Essentially revert those steps) 2. Make the Java option settings persistent. You can achieve that by adding something like 'export _JAVA_OPTIONS="-Xmx512m -Xms512m"' to your ~/.bashrc which will cause this environment variable to be set whenever you start your shell. |
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| 09:46.53 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | Sevet: http://paste.debian.net/31757/ |
| 09:47.57 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: What does "uname -a", "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" give you? It looks as if you didn't install the standard task which means that you are missing quite a huge number of, well, standard utilities. |
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| 09:48.57 | Sevet | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: weird, i thought that was always there by default... 'apt-get install aptitude' if you want it |
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| 09:49.09 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | installed it now |
| 09:49.21 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: aptitude? |
| 09:49.21 | Sevet | 'tasksel' if you want to install all the standard utilities |
| 09:49.27 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | Linux mc 2.6.32-042stab078.28 #1 SMP Mon Jul 8 10:17:22 MSK 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 09:50.02 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | root@mc:/var/www# cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:50.02 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 09:50.02 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | deb http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 09:50.14 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: If yes you can now run "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant" to install the packages that we consider to be standard. Don't forget to remove the Oracle JVM and set the java options persistently though. |
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| 09:51.41 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: Oh, that is an unfortunate sources.list -- I'd recommend something like http://paste.debian.net/31759/ as that uses a mirror close to you and takes some load of ftp.debian.org (we prefer users not to use that one) |
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| 09:52.20 | babilen | But I guess we sorted you out :) |
| 09:53.09 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: I would also recommend reading http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html (and really the entire book) |
| 09:54.24 | mumpitze1 | babilen: couldn't you install the standard task with tasksel too? |
| 09:55.19 | babilen | mumpitze1: I don't think so, but I haven't actually checked. |
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| 09:56.32 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | ok where is that sourceslist again? |
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| 09:58.55 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 09:59.31 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | thanks for everything :D |
| 10:02.12 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: You are welcome: But please remember: If you download something and plan to install it manually you are almost certainly doing it wrong. Use our packages as this is what a Linux distribution is about. We package software. |
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| 10:04.08 | Iridos | now you managed to sound like apple |
| 10:04.38 | babilen | haha ... *sob* |
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| 10:07.44 | jelly | babilen: except oracle's software! |
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| 10:11.36 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | babilen: well, you know what?if i try to export more than 600m i get java error |
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| 10:20.52 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: That doesn't surprise me really as the limit had to be somewhere and the limit is obviously lower than what Java uses by default on your platform. |
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| 10:28.35 | Handuel | I have a debian chroot with some packages that I need setup. How can I create an installable liveCD from this? |
| 10:29.02 | boycottg00gle | debian-live! |
| 10:29.11 | boycottg00gle | !debian-live |
| 10:29.11 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 10:29.37 | Handuel | boycottg00gle dpkg: thanks |
| 10:29.47 | boycottg00gle | Handuel: after rereading your question maybe not exactly what you want? |
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| 10:30.10 | boycottg00gle | Handuel: afair there was another package to create a live cd from an existingimage |
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| 10:30.21 | Handuel | boycottg00gle: not really, but if there's no way to do it from my chroot I'll just use that |
| 10:30.22 | labatesa | hi |
| 10:30.28 | Handuel | labatesa: hello |
| 10:31.25 | labatesa | Now i run apt-get upgrade, and receive this error Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae_3.2.46-1+deb7u1_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 10:31.40 | labatesa | how solve this? |
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| 10:32.25 | Handuel | boycottg00gle: what DE does the standard liveISO use? |
| 10:32.44 | boycottg00gle | Handuel: don't know the current state - would expect gnome |
| 10:32.50 | babilen | it is gnome, yes |
| 10:32.55 | boycottg00gle | Handuel: customization wasn't that difficult |
| 10:33.01 | boycottg00gle | Handuel: but it takes some time |
| 10:33.09 | labatesa | see my error http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ffmF6BN3 |
| 10:33.23 | Handuel | boycottg00gle: Is there anyway of removing the DE, I want to start off with just the basics? |
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| 10:33.29 | babilen | Handuel: There are various images though if you want something else: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 10:33.44 | boycottg00gle | hands over to babilen |
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| 10:34.13 | labatesa | i use debian wheezy |
| 10:34.33 | linu | wheezy rocks |
| 10:34.38 | linu | its the only way to fly |
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| 10:35.07 | babilen | labatesa: "No space left on device" one of your filesystems ran out of space. Check "df -h" output to figure out which (well, it is / ) |
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| 10:36.37 | labatesa | babilen: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=q7TaV1Ye |
| 10:36.43 | linu | so whats the best video card for debian wheezy, for GPU accelerated gaming (e.g. steam) ? |
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| 10:36.59 | linu | is it a particular model of radeon card that has out of the box open source driver support ? |
| 10:37.29 | Handuel | I'll try booting the iso with qemu and see what it is |
| 10:37.34 | babilen | labatesa: Yeah, your root filesystem is way too small. You should enlarge it! :) |
| 10:38.02 | labatesa | babilen: what is solution? |
| 10:38.03 | linu | I know the best wireless card to get would probably be an ath9k device, which i believe has a free open source driver, and no firmware required |
| 10:38.24 | babilen | labatesa: You have to enlarge your root filesystem |
| 10:38.42 | labatesa | babilen: i hava install debian again? |
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| 10:39.16 | babilen | labatesa: When did you install it? |
| 10:39.35 | labatesa | babilen: exist comad to enlarge this? |
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| 10:40.52 | Handuel | babilen: so how do I customize it? Will changes made in virtualisation software stay? |
| 10:41.21 | sKeiths | my /proc/mdstat cannot see md partitions on a gpt disk and fdisk -l warns it does not support gpt. how can i tell if i have gpt enabled in my kernel? |
| 10:41.33 | babilen | labatesa: Reinstalling would certainly be an option (you might want to use a smaller number of partitions or use just one (maybe one/two extra for /home and /var), but you can enlarge filesystems in place too. If you haven't done this before the easiest way to do it is probably to use gparted ( http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php + http://gparted.sourceforge.net/index.php) and boot their live cd. |
| 10:42.22 | Handuel | linu: I'd go with nvidia, their propietry drivers are quite well supported on linux |
| 10:42.44 | Handuel | linu: use the one in the repos though, their installer breaks every time you recieve an update to X or the kernel |
| 10:43.04 | labatesa | babilen: my systens is encrypted |
| 10:43.25 | linu | Handuel: So an nvidia card then (for gaming performance) that is supported in the wheezy or wheezy-backports non-free driver i guess ? |
| 10:43.32 | labatesa | babilen: is i reboot system now, i receive error because this? |
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| 10:43.44 | linu | Handuel: I think that means a 500 or 600 series nvidia |
| 10:43.50 | Handuel | linu: anything recent is supported |
| 10:44.02 | linu | Handuel: I currently own one that is not supported :P :) |
| 10:44.07 | Handuel | linu: I would reccomend nvidia 650 ti |
| 10:44.07 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | babilen: how do i start a process in the background so if i close putty i won't loose that process? |
| 10:44.26 | linu | Handuel: I unfortunately bought a dud unsupported optimus laptop, I dont want to make that mistake again lol :) |
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| 10:44.48 | Handuel | linu: Use bumblebee for optimus (that might be ubuntu only though) |
| 10:44.53 | linu | Handuel: nvidia 650 ti sounds good, the 650 is meant to be really good |
| 10:44.56 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: I would recommend to use something like tmux or screen, but you can simply prefix the command with "nohup". The latter won't allow you to "retrieve" it though. Use (and learn) tmux. |
| 10:45.09 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: But please ask the channel and not just me. |
| 10:45.15 | linu | Handuel: its still not supported with bumblee in the wheezy and wheezy-backports repos :) |
| 10:45.51 | Handuel | linu: ahh, I come from ubuntu which tends to have better driver support |
| 10:46.09 | linu | Handuel: Yes it does work in ubuntu, but yeah |
| 10:46.16 | linu | Handuel: but yeah im not gonna be using ubuntu |
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| 10:46.38 | Handuel | linu: I know, I was just saying why I'm saying things that are wrong |
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| 10:46.55 | linu | Handuel: ah yes being used to ubuntu they do package more recent drivers |
| 10:47.02 | Handuel | linu: yep |
| 10:47.04 | babilen | labatesa: I wouldn't expect you to run into an error -- You can still resize those filesystem even if they are on an LVM-in-LUKS, but it might be more work. Not sure if gparted supports that out of the box, but it is definitely possible. Reinstalling might be easier (and faster) though, in particular if you don't know what you are doing. I'd recommend a partitioning scheme with less partitions this time around and maybe some free space to ... |
| 10:47.10 | babilen | ... redistribute later to various logical volumes. But then your disk is "tiny" so ... |
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| 10:47.20 | Handuel | linu: pretty sure you can install the nvidia-304 drivers on debian as well though |
| 10:47.46 | linu | Handuel: yep, infact ubuntu 13.10 seemed to run ok with this new hardware, then linux mint should be out in november based on that, i might have to use that for this current laptop. While I look for a new laptop that is debian wheezy and wheezy-backports compliant |
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| 10:48.02 | linu | Handuel: yes except it requires nvidia 319 or 325 drivers at least lol :) |
| 10:48.19 | linu | Handuel: 304 doesnt support the card :) |
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| 10:48.40 | linu | Handuel: I bought the laptop a week ago, unfortunately its latest gen nvidia hardware |
| 10:48.43 | Handuel | linu: ahh, even ubuntu doesn't have higher than 317 I think |
| 10:49.11 | linu | Handuel: Yes even ubuntu in their latest -release doesnt have the later driver, I had to use the xorg-edgers/ppa |
| 10:49.17 | Handuel | linu: yep |
| 10:49.37 | linu | Handuel: I'm hoping the new driver gets into wheezy-backports one day as its in experimental atm :) |
| 10:50.23 | Handuel | linu: get the nvidia geforce 650 ti card then add this to /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free and then run aptitude update; aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 10:50.58 | Handuel | and then create an xorg.conf with this # mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 10:51.02 | Handuel | # echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
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| 10:51.19 | Handuel | then restart |
| 10:51.24 | linu | Handuel: Thanks that should work yes, I see thats in the wheezy repo without even requiring wheezy-backports, and then the geforce 650 Ti is supported by wheezy :) thats neat |
| 10:52.02 | Handuel | yep as long as you add the non-free component it's there |
| 10:52.29 | linu | ah interesting so theres this new file layout, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf not just /etc/X11/xorg.conf and i notice there is /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf/* or something as well |
| 10:52.36 | linu | Handuel: yeah so its in the wheezy non-free |
| 10:52.48 | linu | Handuel: yeah i thought nvidia would be better for gaming performance |
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| 10:53.18 | linu | Handuel: so nvidia geforce 650 Ti, ath9k 802.11b/g/n atheros wifi. I guess I just have to decide on cpu and afew other things |
| 10:53.39 | Handuel | linu: I've had bad experience with raedon. Nvidia is at least trying to get good linux drivers. (mainly due to steam for linux coming out |
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| 10:54.04 | gnarface | they are still evil though |
| 10:54.07 | linu | Handuel: yeah thats my plan playing steam games lol |
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| 10:54.35 | linu | gnarface: and for 3 years their X driver had a 0day exploit so local users could get root |
| 10:54.44 | linu | gnarface: no wonder openbsd says "remove all nvidia from your systems" |
| 10:55.05 | gnarface | the whole way their direct rendering is setup is inherently insecure |
| 10:55.15 | gnarface | but to a lesser degree so is pretty much any DMA i think |
| 10:55.18 | linu | gnarface: yeah exactly, its insecure by design |
| 10:55.19 | gnarface | as well as usb ports |
| 10:55.21 | gnarface | so be careful |
| 10:55.27 | gnarface | fill those things with epoxy or something |
| 10:55.31 | linu | surely USB is the least dangerous interface |
| 10:56.00 | gnarface | no, the standard allows for client-side firmware to inject code automatically on hotplug, its probably the MOST dangerous interface |
| 10:56.19 | gnarface | next to nvidia cards ;) |
| 10:56.24 | bhuddah | least dangerous? i would go for the joystick port. no one even remembers it. |
| 10:56.37 | trewas | gnarface: usb has nothing on firewire, which allows reading all of the computer's RAM on the fly |
| 10:56.46 | gnarface | egad |
| 10:56.51 | linu | gnarface: the usb standard, um. wait what happens exactly lol? The client side devices usb firmware is allowed to inject code where ? |
| 10:56.52 | gnarface | i didn't know that trewas |
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| 10:57.14 | linu | yeah firewire you can alter the computers RAM lol |
| 10:57.16 | linu | or copy it all |
| 10:57.22 | linu | or inject a rootkit into RAM |
| 10:57.25 | linu | ec |
| 10:57.26 | linu | etc |
| 10:57.49 | gnarface | you can auto-run stuff as root with usb i thought |
| 10:58.02 | gnarface | needed for hotplug to work |
| 10:58.06 | linu | gnarface: you mean like if the OS doesnt switch that off ? |
| 10:58.11 | linu | there is one usb auto run i know off |
| 10:58.15 | gnarface | no, like even if the os doesn't switch it off |
| 10:58.24 | linu | interesting, what is it ? |
| 10:59.09 | linu | if you recall atm :) |
| 10:59.16 | gnarface | maybe its something to do with HID |
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| 10:59.38 | linu | hmm yeah |
| 10:59.45 | linu | i might have a search on it |
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| 10:59.59 | gnarface | i thought i'd read the only way to disable it is to disable usb at the bios |
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| 11:00.52 | gnarface | companies were even buying aftemarket firmware for bulk laptop runs to replace the stock BIOS with one that had no USB code in it |
| 11:01.38 | linu | gnarface: I suspect yeah the only way is like that, disabling in bios, and welding usb ports shut, thats usually how it is |
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| 11:02.08 | gnarface | anyway its an academic discussion anyway |
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| 11:02.11 | gnarface | as steam itself is a rootkit |
| 11:02.18 | linu | how is steam a rootkit ? |
| 11:02.25 | linu | i would like to know, as im using steam lol |
| 11:02.32 | sKeiths | trying to build latest version of parted but it requires libuuid. how do i get? http://paste.debian.net/31792/ |
| 11:02.38 | mumpitze1 | gnarface: it uses DRM but is no rootkit |
| 11:02.41 | linu | i have steam installed |
| 11:02.49 | gnarface | linu: its made press |
| 11:02.57 | linu | cheers i will google it |
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| 11:04.11 | linu | i wonder if its part of their anti cheating software |
| 11:04.15 | mumpitze1 | sKeiths: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libuuid.so&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=amd64 install libuuid1 and uuid-dev |
| 11:04.44 | gnarface | linu: either that or the DRM |
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| 11:05.01 | linu | yeah gnarface the DRM is another likely spot |
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| 11:05.19 | linu | even more likely |
| 11:05.21 | linu | spot |
| 11:05.56 | BotaWork | I have a squeeze installation that started reporting 'fork: resource temporarily unavailable' error. All the resources that i monitor ( CPU/RAM/IO ) are not utilized fully, and only log i got is exim's paniclog that says same thing - resource unavailable. Where to look further ? TIA |
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| 11:06.58 | sKeiths | libuuid installed but make still fails . do i need to reboot? http://paste.debian.net/31793/ |
| 11:08.15 | berarma | sKeiths: you'll need libuuid-dev, I guess |
| 11:08.45 | linu | well if i wanted to buy a more secure computer i wouldnt use it for gaming anyway, or even have an nvidia card lol, and it would run openbsd |
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| 11:08.53 | linu | like my openbsd firewall, and separate openbsd server |
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| 11:14.50 | workingcats | Hi, i'm having a problem with an old debian5 that isn't quite ready for getting properly updated. I updated sources.list per the debian wiki, ran apt-get update, installed debian-archive-keyring and overrode the warning that it couldn't be authenticated, but it still cannot authenticate the packages i want to install |
| 11:15.51 | linu | hopefully eventually openbsd can be my secure server OS |
| 11:15.55 | mumpitze1 | workingcats: that should only be a warning, not an error |
| 11:15.59 | linu | and debian can be my insecure desktop OS |
| 11:16.03 | linu | for gaming |
| 11:16.08 | workingcats | e.g. it gives the warning on nmap, csh, libice6 |
| 11:16.16 | linu | and windows can be, well, not present |
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| 11:16.31 | workingcats | mumpitze1, well yes, but its a really bad warning.. ignoring it is a bad idea :/ |
| 11:18.03 | mumpitze1 | workingcats: what is the warning? maybe the keys expired, lenny being so old? |
| 11:18.06 | linu | windows is a rootkit |
| 11:18.32 | workingcats | just checked the key list, yeah the keys have expired.. |
| 11:18.38 | sKeiths | make success. thanks mumpitze1 and berarma |
| 11:19.13 | mumpitze1 | workingcats: you could maybe use a newer debian keyring from squeezy? |
| 11:19.16 | mumpitze1 | *squeeze |
| 11:19.51 | linu | apt-get -t squeeze (after updating /etc/apt/sources.list) install some-keyring |
| 11:19.53 | workingcats | mumpitze1, those came in when i updated debian-archive-keyring, but the lenny pkgs arent signed with it |
| 11:20.21 | workingcats | just gonna have to manually verify them |
| 11:20.24 | linu | debian has a better authenticated updates method than openbsd |
| 11:20.28 | linu | openbsds is pita |
| 11:20.29 | mumpitze1 | workingcats: why are you installing lenny packages when you have a squeeze repo? |
| 11:20.35 | linu | debians rocks |
| 11:21.03 | workingcats | mumpitze1, i dont, the squeeze keys are a part of the lenny pkg for some reason, presumably for updating to it |
| 11:21.28 | workingcats | as in, i dont have a squeeze repo |
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| 11:22.52 | mumpitze1 | install the keyring package from squeeze (you should be able to download it from packages.debian.org. those at least aren't expired. and they might work, certainly not hurt |
| 11:23.12 | mumpitze1 | and you should upgrade to at least squeeze anywys: lenny is long expired. it's an Ex-Debian release |
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| 11:23.23 | workingcats | mumpitze1, they wont work because the lenny pkgs arent signed with the squeeze key |
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| 11:23.43 | mumpitze1 | !Lenny |
| 11:23.43 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 11:24.07 | workingcats | yes i know, i said at the beginning it's not quite ready to be updated.. |
| 11:24.10 | linu | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.11 | workingcats | but i still need nmap on it |
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| 11:24.27 | mumpitze1 | then you have to endure grave warnings |
| 11:24.41 | workingcats | no, i'll just verify it manually |
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| 11:25.15 | mumpitze1 | verifying packages which probably have known security vulnerabilities? what's the point? |
| 11:25.21 | linu | you need lenny for nmap workingcats? |
| 11:25.29 | linu | is there something about that older OS and older nmap ? |
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| 11:25.58 | workingcats | mumpitze1, the same point as when it didnt have known security vulns? verifying the pkg has nothing to do with the security of the pkg |
| 11:26.01 | mumpitze1 | linu: he has a lenny he doesn't want to upgrade. so he needs to install a nmap from lenny, cause the squeeze one wouldn't work |
| 11:26.22 | workingcats | linu, there's something about me needing nmap on a lenny machine because it sits at a certain point in the network where i need nmap ;) |
| 11:26.26 | linu | mumpitze1: oh right i get it |
| 11:26.55 | linu | workingcats: if its a box in an important part of the network and has to do with security, why is it running vulnerable will-never-be-patched software ? |
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| 11:27.37 | mumpitze1 | workingcats: the chances you get a dodgy package from a known debian mirror aren't exactle huge. unpatched vulnerabilities are a much higher chance by far |
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| 11:28.24 | workingcats | linu, that's what's called life ;) as i said, it's not ready yet. |
| 11:28.33 | linu | lol workingcats |
| 11:28.41 | workingcats | mumpitze1, verification protects against more than malicious mirrors |
| 11:29.01 | linu | workingcats: what else does it protect against btw ? |
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| 11:29.31 | mumpitze1 | lenny is unsupported. debian protects you against nothing at all with lenny anymore. deal with it when you don't want to follow the official debian advice |
| 11:29.34 | workingcats | linu, manipulated DNS leading to a different mirror, errors (intentional or otherwise) during transfer, and so on |
| 11:29.44 | Iridos | workingcats, you could set the clock a couple of years back %-/ |
| 11:29.58 | workingcats | mumpitze1, i am. you're the one who keeps claiming it's pointless to verify an outdated package when that's simply not the case |
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| 11:30.23 | linu | workingcats: ah yeah mitms |
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| 11:30.48 | workingcats | the system will be updated when i have the time. today is unfortunately not that time. |
| 11:30.50 | Iridos | actually I wonder if it's a little silly to have those keys expire... |
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| 11:31.21 | workingcats | Iridos, well, ideally a new key would be used to re-sign the pkgs, but thats a bit excessive for an unsupported version |
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| 11:31.49 | linu | iirc they had to figure out a way to protect against compromised keys |
| 11:32.00 | linu | i.e. if people compromised their debian signing keys |
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| 11:32.24 | linu | a shorter expiry was one part of that |
| 11:32.39 | workingcats | there's really no good solution for this, its my predecessor's fault for having systems so far out of support but i cant go back in time :) |
| 11:32.41 | workingcats | yet. |
| 11:32.58 | Iridos | workingcats, yes... not realistic effort to do for all older distributions... of course, the need for authenticating also kind of goes away, as you would probably use official debian servers and not mirrors for older snapshots |
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| 11:33.30 | linu | Iridos: well people dont like mitm'ing of software updates either |
| 11:33.42 | workingcats | well, that certainly reduces the exposure |
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| 11:34.36 | luist | hey guys.. can anyone help me make a init script to start/stop this command: QUEUE=* /var/www/gitorious/bin/rake resque:work |
| 11:34.41 | luist | im using squeeze |
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| 11:36.13 | linu | workingcats: surely you can manually verify one nmap package |
| 11:36.27 | workingcats | linu, yep thats what i did |
| 11:36.31 | linu | nice |
| 11:36.53 | linu | theres also Kali linux |
| 11:37.00 | linu | they are based off debian right |
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| 11:37.56 | workingcats | well we do wanna update them but its not a 5 minute job ofc |
| 11:38.20 | Handuel | What package does startx come in? |
| 11:38.39 | tralala | luist, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton and edit it as needed. It's not a big deal. |
| 11:38.43 | mumpitze1 | Handuel: search for "bin/startx" in packages.debian.org. probably some xorg-common or s |
| 11:38.46 | mumpitze1 | *or so |
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| 11:39.05 | mumpitze1 | Handuel: it's xinit |
| 11:39.08 | luist | tralala: oh i just found skeleton… btw how do i split this command into DAEMON and DAEMON_ARGS? |
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| 11:39.35 | tralala | luist, also see /msg dpkg init.d |
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| 11:40.08 | Handuel | mumpitze1: thanks |
| 11:40.13 | tralala | DAEMON is /var/www/gitorious/bin/rake and DAEMON_ARGS - resque:work |
| 11:40.35 | luist | tralala: but what about the QUEUE=* that comes before the daemon? |
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| 11:41.27 | linu | yes |
| 11:41.30 | linu | i normally go with intel CPUs |
| 11:41.36 | tralala | luist, it's an environment variable - put it in beginning of the file with the rest of the vars |
| 11:41.51 | linu | but is there any different choosing Intel or AMD for a debian wheezy and wheezy-backports compliant computer ? |
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| 11:42.27 | tralala | linu, the cpu is the least of your worries when it comes to linux compatibility |
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| 11:43.00 | linu | tralala: well we have ath9k atheros 802.11 b/g/n wifi sorted out, and gefoce 650 ti for gaming graphics |
| 11:43.11 | linu | tralala: i guess motheboard and chipset will be more important than cpu |
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| 11:44.04 | workingcats | oh and thanks for the assistance in tracking down the issue :) |
| 11:44.19 | tralala | linu, the cpu will just work, for the rest you'll have to see. Try before you buy if you can. Use a grml usb stick to boot into linux and see what works and what not. |
| 11:44.42 | linu | tralala: im unlikely to be able to try before i buy if i build a desktop from parts lol |
| 11:44.53 | berarma | tralala: don't feed the troll |
| 11:45.16 | linu | berarma: are you calling me a troll ? |
| 11:45.19 | linu | because if you are |
| 11:45.21 | linu | you have no basis |
| 11:45.40 | BotaWork | linu , mind writing more words in same line ? TIA |
| 11:45.46 | linu | i just spent $1,500 on a laptop, which isnt fully compatible with the OS I wanted to use, wheezy |
| 11:45.52 | linu | Do you expect me to make that same mistake again ? |
| 11:46.11 | berarma | linu: are you going to ask for help? |
| 11:46.27 | tralala | linu, you're out of luck then - you'll just have to take your chances. Desktops are generally better supported than laptops though. |
| 11:46.34 | linu | Well im not going to ask you berarma if you just called me a troll for no reason |
| 11:46.38 | streusalz | berarma: do easy on him - that guy asked the lsat 3 days for help... |
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| 11:47.05 | streusalz | s/do/go s/lsat/last |
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| 11:49.09 | streusalz | linu: can you rank your priorities? e.g. will you buy hardware that runs wheezy, or will you buy high perf. hardwary and make it run no matter what |
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| 11:50.13 | berarma | streusalz: please, use #d-o |
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| 11:52.01 | streusalz | what's that for? |
| 11:52.03 | linu | streusalz: My priority is to buy a new computer that is fully compliant and well supported by wheezy and wheezy-backports without requiring to go outside of those repos. I will limit the performance of the gaming and components to what is supported by that (wheezy and wheezy-backports) |
| 11:52.03 | Handuel | I'm about to jump in and install debian. At the beggining I only have a command line. How do I connect to my wifi from that? |
| 11:52.26 | mniip | Handuel, wicd-curses or nmcli |
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| 11:52.33 | linu | streusalz: so the priority is a good computer, for a desktop with some steam gaming, but only with good hardware for wheezy and wheezy-backports |
| 11:52.42 | Handuel | mniip: Can't install those, I won't have internet |
| 11:52.51 | mniip | Uh |
| 11:52.57 | streusalz | Handuel: no lan cable? |
| 11:52.58 | mniip | Do you have iwconfig |
| 11:53.05 | linu | streusalz: so yes i will buy hardware that runs wheezy ;-) |
| 11:53.12 | Handuel | streusalz: no |
| 11:53.29 | Handuel | Is there no way of just connecting using default command line tools? |
| 11:53.32 | themill | Handuel: you can do that in /etc/network/interfaces, but you'll still need wpasupplicant. Grabbing a DVD image rather than the netinst might be easier |
| 11:53.41 | streusalz | linu: laptop or desktop? |
| 11:53.56 | linu | berarma: my apologies im usually not soo touchy, but this cup of coffee made me abit more energetic lol |
| 11:54.09 | themill | dpkg: tell Handuel about wpa |
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| 11:54.26 | mniip | Handuel, wpa_supplicant and iwconfig, not less than that |
| 11:54.42 | Handuel | mniip: I take it they aren't auto installed |
| 11:54.57 | Handuel | dpkg wpa |
| 11:54.57 | dpkg | Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA) is a wireless encryption standard. A WPA supplicant for Debian systems is in the wpasupplicant package, read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure (especially "Troubleshooting" for association to hidden SSIDs). Since Debian 7 "Wheezy", it is possible to install Debian over a WPA-protected network. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 11:54.59 | mniip | Handuel, check |
| 11:55.04 | linu | streusalz: either one, I'll probably evaluate both. I have been finding laptop alot harder to get everything right with, so I think a desktop would be a better idea |
| 11:55.28 | mniip | Can't you just drag a few deb's onto a usb stick |
| 11:55.44 | streusalz | linu: since you don't care go for desktop |
| 11:56.08 | linu | streusalz: yeah a desktop makes alot more sense, i will be able to choose every single component and put it together, that will make for a far better computer |
| 11:56.08 | Handuel | mniip: how do you recommend I install then |
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| 11:56.19 | themill | Handuel: the installer can do wpa but you might need to feed it the appropriate firmware before it can. What chipset do you have? |
| 11:56.56 | Handuel | No clue, it's worked out of the box with every other linux installation. How would I find out from my current ubuntu |
| 11:57.06 | mniip | lspci |
| 11:57.17 | Handuel | ok |
| 11:57.26 | mumpitze1 | Handuel: lspci -nn |
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| 11:57.45 | Handuel | mniip: Network controller: Ralink corp. RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe |
| 11:57.59 | mumpitze1 | themill: netinst has wpasupplicant now, no? bigger problem is firmware |
| 11:58.05 | mumpitze1 | rt3090 |
| 11:58.07 | mumpitze1 | !rt3090 |
| 11:58.07 | dpkg | Ralink 802.11n PCI chipsets (RT2760, RT2790, RT2860, RT2880, RT2890, RT3060, RT3062, RT3090, RT3091, RT3092, RT3390, RT3562, RT3592, RT5390) are supported by the rt2x00 project's rt2800pci driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.33. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci |
| 11:58.08 | streusalz | linu: also you will get more "standard" hardware - not such weired setups |
| 11:58.19 | streusalz | linu: sell the laptop |
| 11:58.21 | Handuel | !ralink firmware |
| 11:58.22 | dpkg | Firmware from userspace is required by the <rt61pci>, <rt73usb>, <rt2860sta>, <rt2870sta>, <rt2800pci> and <rt2800usb> drivers. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-ralink package to provide. |
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| 11:58.37 | mumpitze1 | Handuel: /msg dpkg ralink firmware |
| 11:58.45 | themill | dpkg: tell Handuel about firmware image |
| 11:58.50 | linu | streusalz: yeah i looked into the hardware design of this laptop, and they are truly retarded lol |
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| 11:59.02 | themill | Handuel: those installer images already have the firmware present which helps |
| 11:59.30 | streusalz | linu: was there win on it? |
| 11:59.37 | Handuel | themill: I'm using the standard installer (just no DE/Xserver preinstalled) will that have it? |
| 11:59.51 | linu | streusalz: they decided "lets not plug the video card into the monitor" "instead we'll require the OS and drivers to copy data from the nvidia card to system ram to the intel driver then to the display" |
| 12:00.00 | linu | streusalz: it came with windows 8, which was removed and never booted |
| 12:00.12 | themill | Handuel: the installer is identical on all images. The important thing is what packages are on the disk with it |
| 12:00.14 | mumpitze1 | Handuel: no it won't |
| 12:00.28 | streusalz | linu: reset it and sell it in case you want to buy new hardware |
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| 12:00.36 | mumpitze1 | Handuel: the firmware is non-free software so normal, official debian ISOs cannot contain it |
| 12:00.42 | streusalz | linu: but thats already ot here ;) |
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| 12:00.50 | linu | streusalz: yes i think buying new hardware is definately the way to go, this one was a dud |
| 12:00.56 | Handuel | mumpitze1: Oh. Which CD should I use? |
| 12:01.07 | Handuel | mumpitze1: image* |
| 12:01.09 | themill | the one dpkg just told you about |
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| 12:01.37 | themill | putting the firmware-ralink package on a usb stick would also work |
| 12:01.55 | Handuel | themill: I'll do that |
| 12:01.55 | linu | streusalz: normally i research things more before buying, but i made the mistake this time of only doing a quick search and buying too quickly lol |
| 12:02.11 | Handuel | themill: just apt-get download it, then install it on the installed system? |
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| 12:02.26 | streusalz | linu: shit happens |
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| 12:02.54 | themill | Handuel: sort of. /msg dpkg installer firmware |
| 12:03.08 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | simple question pls, how can i find the pid list? |
| 12:03.10 | linu | streusalz: yeah shit happens, i will know better for next time :) |
| 12:03.14 | mumpitze1 | Handuel: you can only apt-get install it if you have internet access (e.g. via ethernet) |
| 12:03.35 | mumpitze1 | Handuel: you can also download the package from packages.debian.org and install the file via dpkg -i on the system |
| 12:03.38 | Handuel | mumpitze1: but If I have the deb on a USB can't I just dpkg -i |
| 12:03.44 | mumpitze1 | Handuel: you can |
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| 12:04.03 | themill | the installer will use it without you even doing that |
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| 12:04.27 | Handuel | themill: how? |
| 12:04.41 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | simple question pls, how can i find the pid list? |
| 12:05.14 | themill | Handuel: start with the information dpkg has that I pointed you to. |
| 12:05.17 | Handuel | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: ps aux |
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| 12:09.09 | Handuel | themill: thanks for the help. Do these images come with a DE or are they just the bare system? |
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| 12:09.29 | linu | hmm driver 304.88 for nvidia cards seems to me to be the latest one in wheezy |
| 12:10.42 | themill | Handuel: those images are just a netinst plus firmware; the installer will install whatever components you ask it to. |
| 12:10.54 | Handuel | themill: Great! Thanks for the help |
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| 12:11.37 | SirLagz | linu: why not just use the latest nvidia drivers from nvidia ? |
| 12:11.52 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | thanks |
| 12:12.22 | linu | SirLagz: perhaps, at least that was really screwed up on my muxless optimus laptop, but it may work ok on a desktop with 1 discrete GPU |
| 12:12.40 | SirLagz | I'm using nvidia drivers on my desktop |
| 12:12.46 | SirLagz | haven't had any issues |
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| 12:12.48 | linu | hows that going ? |
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| 12:12.50 | linu | what card did you get ? |
| 12:12.56 | SirLagz | i got a geforce 9600GT lol |
| 12:12.58 | SirLagz | old old school |
| 12:13.02 | linu | lol yeah |
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| 12:13.08 | SirLagz | but it plays what I want fine |
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| 12:13.19 | linu | i suppose the nvidia.com drivers would have worked on my laptop too, if the laptop didnt have this retarded muxless optimus setup |
| 12:13.24 | SirLagz | when i get around to it, i'll rebuild my other rig with a 260 in it |
| 12:13.32 | SirLagz | probably |
| 12:13.35 | linu | nice, whats a 260 ? |
| 12:13.38 | SirLagz | GT260 |
| 12:13.40 | SirLagz | old school |
| 12:13.40 | SirLagz | lol |
| 12:13.42 | linu | ah irhg |
| 12:13.45 | linu | yep lol |
| 12:13.52 | SirLagz | I'm too poor to get anything newer haha |
| 12:13.57 | SirLagz | got the GT260 for $20 AUD |
| 12:14.02 | themill | perhaps this should go to ##hardware. Or a /query? |
| 12:14.04 | linu | wow $20 is a good price |
| 12:14.06 | psnider85 | Geforce 4 FTW :P Haha. |
| 12:14.12 | SirLagz | psnider85: I still got 2 of those :D |
| 12:14.33 | SirLagz | sorry themill. will shush now. |
| 12:14.37 | psnider85 | So excited when I got my Geforce4, I could play Max Payne on high :P |
| 12:15.01 | linu | neato |
| 12:15.23 | linu | well my idea themill is to buy hardware that will run good in wheezy |
| 12:15.43 | linu | so perhaps |
| 12:15.47 | linu | but i dunno |
| 12:15.48 | jelly | !enter |
| 12:15.48 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 12:16.07 | linu | Yes ok I shall use the , mark jelly lol |
| 12:16.29 | SirLagz | any nvidia hardware will be good to go on a desktop with the official nvidia drivers |
| 12:16.32 | SirLagz | easy as to install on wheezy |
| 12:16.47 | SirLagz | not so much on sid lol |
| 12:17.06 | linu | SirLagz: I dont know, I got burned with this laptop, im really thinking of only buying a 304.88 nvidia driver compliant GPU |
| 12:17.07 | blue_sky | /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated - or so it says when I use it, what should I use instead? |
| 12:17.20 | abrotman | blue_sky: ifup/ifdown maybe |
| 12:17.22 | themill | blue_sky: you should perform the action you actually want |
| 12:17.23 | SirLagz | blue_sky: ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
| 12:17.37 | SirLagz | linu: I've used nvidia cards on debian for well over 10 years now |
| 12:17.41 | linu | SirLagz: Then that will be out of the debian repos too, with apt-get, which is more well integrated than using nvidias installer |
| 12:17.41 | SirLagz | on desktops |
| 12:17.56 | blue_sky | thanks all, I've been using it as a shortcut for years, didn't know I shouldn't |
| 12:17.59 | abrotman | linu: do yourself a favor, buy a laptop with an intel video card |
| 12:18.15 | SirLagz | abrotman: which intel video cards are good for gaming ? |
| 12:18.18 | linu | SirLagz: nice one, any tips ? |
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| 12:18.29 | linu | abrotman: yeah what SirLagz said, I want to do steam gaming ;-) |
| 12:18.35 | abrotman | and? |
| 12:18.44 | SirLagz | linu: i've always used official drivers with my nvidia cards |
| 12:18.45 | themill | blue_sky: it's sufficiently ambiguous as to be meaningless, hence the steer towards doing what you actually want rather than "restarting" something that is not a daemon. |
| 12:18.52 | abrotman | SirLagz: the one in your laptop? I've been using themf or ages, I can play games |
| 12:19.09 | SirLagz | abrotman: my Intel video card could barely play minecraft...lol |
| 12:19.15 | mumpitze1 | abrotman: he has an intel videocard. the trouble is, he has a 2nd one too :) |
| 12:19.17 | linu | abrotman: well I use 1920x1080 on my LCDs, i doubt intel will play high end games on that very well |
| 12:19.23 | abrotman | SirLagz: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL |
| 12:19.38 | mumpitze1 | linu: neither will the nvidia |
| 12:19.44 | blue_sky | themill: that makes sense. thanks |
| 12:19.45 | mumpitze1 | no sane laptop will |
| 12:19.49 | linu | mumpitze1: Why wouldnt nvidia ? |
| 12:19.50 | abrotman | linu: my laptop is 1650x1080 maybe? Not sure what you mean by highend games |
| 12:20.13 | linu | mumpitze1: Well the GT735M with ubuntu 13.10 at 1920x1080 played team fortress 2 without a problem |
| 12:20.13 | mumpitze1 | linu: cause you cannot put a gtx 670 into a laptop |
| 12:20.23 | SirLagz | my laptop was a 1280x800 display, with an intel video card. could barely play games haha |
| 12:20.27 | linu | mumpitze1: unless i accidentally had it set to less than 1920x1080 which is possible |
| 12:20.27 | mumpitze1 | linu: a current intel will too |
| 12:20.49 | linu | come on, the intel cards are an absolute joke for high end gaming |
| 12:20.51 | mumpitze1 | linu: and TF2 is an ancient game |
| 12:21.05 | mumpitze1 | linu: TF2 is not high end gaming. and the 735M is just as much of a joke |
| 12:21.19 | linu | I dont plan on TF2 being the only game I play |
| 12:21.25 | SirLagz | mumpitze1: 735M will still certainly wipe the floor with an intel card though. |
| 12:21.31 | mumpitze1 | the HD5200 out in 3rd quarter will be probably similarly fast as your 735 |
| 12:21.31 | themill | ##hardware is over → |
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| 12:22.00 | SirLagz | linu: back to debian and drivers. I've never had an issue with drivers on my nvidia rigs running sid |
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| 12:22.02 | zw | Hi. |
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| 12:22.21 | linu | SirLagz: yeah i wont run sid though, only wheezy and wheezy-backports repos |
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| 12:22.30 | SirLagz | wheezy will be fine then |
| 12:22.37 | zw | I have storage:/vol/data /data nfs rw,vers=3,mountvers=3,nfsvers=3,rsize=65536,wsize=65536,hard,intr,proto=tcp,timeo=600,retrans=3,sec=sys 0 0 in my fstab. |
| 12:22.43 | SirLagz | though I had issues running steam on wheezy |
| 12:22.52 | SirLagz | that was a little while ago now though |
| 12:22.56 | linu | right so driver 304.88 compliant card it is then |
| 12:22.56 | zw | After a dist upgrade to wheezy it mounts this pount two times, as nfs3 but also nfs4 ? |
| 12:23.19 | zw | I can't seem to fix that. Has someone a clue why wheezy thinks this is a nfs4 mount and mounts is double ? |
| 12:23.24 | SirLagz | linu: so that's pretty much all recent nvidia cards haha |
| 12:23.33 | linu | SirLagz: im not going to risk it, driver 304.88 card is still previous gen 600 series which is plenty fast i believe |
| 12:23.44 | linu | SirLagz: yes pretty much all of them except the very latest gen |
| 12:23.46 | SirLagz | linu: indeed it is |
| 12:24.41 | SirLagz | why is my font on everything so tiny... |
| 12:24.46 | linu | mumpitze1: yes but in a desktop i can buy something alot better than a GT735m anyway that will seriously beat the pants off any intel card for gaming :) |
| 12:24.54 | SirLagz | is there a dpi setting in X or anything ? |
| 12:25.23 | linu | SirLagz: Hmm what issue did you have with wheezy and steam a while ago ? |
| 12:25.48 | SirLagz | old old packages |
| 12:25.55 | SirLagz | i don't remember which ones exactly |
| 12:26.01 | SirLagz | though there are plenty of guides out there on how to get steam working |
| 12:26.18 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | this is unbearable |
| 12:26.29 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | how do i start a .jar file? in a screen? |
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| 12:26.40 | linu | java --something file.jar ? |
| 12:26.51 | SirLagz | java -jar jarfile |
| 12:26.52 | linu | `man java` ? |
| 12:26.53 | linu | i dunno |
| 12:27.37 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | now i get fork failed_ unnable to allocate memory |
| 12:28.23 | linu | jar jar blinks |
| 12:28.49 | Deeps | write once run nowhere |
| 12:28.54 | linu | lol |
| 12:29.00 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | lol sementation fault |
| 12:29.03 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | wth is that? |
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| 12:29.13 | Deeps | sementation? come again? |
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| 12:29.17 | Deeps | :> |
| 12:29.21 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | segmantation |
| 12:29.23 | mumpitze1 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: java -jar <file.jar> usually. and of course, limit the heap as babilen showed you before |
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| 12:30.19 | zw | Anyone ? |
| 12:30.20 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | it would have been awesome if i had saved that code :D |
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| 12:31.38 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | 15:54 < Handuel> dpkg wpa |
| 12:31.38 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | 15:54 < dpkg> Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA) is a wireless encryption standard. A WPA supplicant for Debian systems is in the wpasupplicant package, read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure (especially "Troubleshooting" for association to hidden SSIDs). Since Debian 7 "Wheezy", it is possible to install Debian over a WPA-protected |
| 12:31.42 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:32.03 | w1ck3dg0ph3r | sry for that :/ |
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| 12:32.49 | marchelly | somiaj, hi |
| 12:34.08 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | how can i get a history of commands in debian? like in the last ssh sessions what commands have been given? |
| 12:34.20 | SirLagz | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: history |
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| 12:36.23 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | i can't understand the reason for this |
| 12:36.39 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | http://paste.debian.net/31824/ |
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| 12:37.25 | mumpitze1 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: what if you give it less heap memory? |
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| 12:38.00 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | not even 512 is enough for what i need |
| 12:38.31 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | the minecraft server won't even start |
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| 12:40.11 | mniip | AlBaTrOs-NOOB, what kernel |
| 12:40.39 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | don't know |
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| 12:41.09 | mniip | -_- uname -a |
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| 12:42.10 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | Linux mc 2.6.32-042stab078.28 #1 SMP Mon Jul 8 10:17:22 MSK 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 12:43.11 | cardiel | how can i install mysql without starting it so i can use my old databases? |
| 12:43.36 | mniip | AlBaTrOs-NOOB, what does "free" show |
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| 12:44.14 | abrotman | cardiel: you can't, it will autostart |
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| 12:44.34 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | free? |
| 12:44.35 | roger21 | what is your old database |
| 12:44.39 | roger21 | yes free |
| 12:44.40 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | what command? |
| 12:44.43 | roger21 | free |
| 12:44.48 | mniip | free |
| 12:44.54 | mniip | literally |
| 12:45.24 | cardiel | abrotman: ok, i tought i could just overwrite my /var/lib/mysql directory with the old , and then start mysql |
| 12:45.25 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | http://paste.debian.net/31826/ |
| 12:45.29 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | brb 10 min |
| 12:45.30 | abrotman | i doubt the segfault is the problem with the memory |
| 12:45.33 | cardiel | so i need to import the databases then instead? |
| 12:45.58 | abrotman | cardiel: that'd be my guess |
| 12:46.16 | cardiel | ok, will try that then |
| 12:46.30 | marchelly | guys, after debootstrap installation to raid1 (mdadm) everything is fine installed, I've even made tutorial (would extend it with comments and put in public)but there are questions with debian wheezy. When trying to install some pakages I have unresolvable dependency like this http://pastebin.com/xXsUH7fP Is there any solution to rebuild all system or force this deps or other ? here is my sources.list http://pastebin.com/xweFVNNj |
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| 12:47.57 | SirLagz | marchelly: press n when it says accept this solution ? |
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| 12:48.53 | abrotman | marchelly: why are you mixing wheezy and unstable? |
| 12:49.29 | marchelly | SirLagz, this is genious ) thanks, I've pressed x, them + and so on. looks like my gentoo background is not the one helping me to use debian |
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| 12:50.08 | marchelly | aboman, this is because of lot in sources.list? |
| 12:50.27 | abrotman | marchelly: it's because you screwed up your system |
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| 12:51.11 | marchelly | aboman, I want to use stable but lates packages. What I have to use like gentoo ~ branch? to use lates stable versions of packages? |
| 12:51.18 | abrotman | marchelly: mixing stable and unstable will lead to a broken system |
| 12:51.30 | abrotman | marchelly: my name is 'abrotman', not aboman |
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| 12:51.38 | abrotman | tab complete is hard .. |
| 12:51.59 | marchelly | abrotman, sorry, yep so what is the solution? |
| 12:52.09 | abrotman | marchelly: you can try to use stable+backports, but using stable+unstable leads to what you have now |
| 12:52.34 | abrotman | if you want bleeding edge, use unstable, but be prepared for hiccups |
| 12:52.39 | marchelly | abrotman, this is new installation, so I think it's possible to fix things now |
| 12:52.52 | abrotman | marchelly: depends what you've installed from unstable |
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| 12:53.21 | bob- | hi, how do i pull in the latest version of a package? |
| 12:53.29 | abrotman | which package? |
| 12:53.35 | marchelly | abrotman, can I rebuild all the system from stable + backports ? |
| 12:53.36 | bob- | screen |
| 12:53.50 | abrotman | marchelly: you can create your own backports if you really need to |
| 12:53.59 | bob- | i want to do the eq of setting a keyword in /etc/portage/package.keywords |
| 12:54.03 | abrotman | judd: versions screen |
| 12:54.04 | judd | Package: screen on i386 -- squeeze: 4.0.3-14; wheezy: 4.1.0~20120320gitdb59704-7; jessie: 4.1.0~20120320gitdb59704-9; sid: 4.1.0~20120320gitdb59704-9 |
| 12:54.24 | abrotman | doesn't seem to be much doifference? |
| 12:55.00 | bob- | abrotman: hm, i have 4.0.0.03 |
| 12:55.10 | abrotman | bob-: so you're on squeeze? |
| 12:55.13 | marchelly | aboman, this installation is for nginx + mysql + php-fpm + xcache so I want to use latest and spable of them. |
| 12:55.23 | abrotman | marchelly: abr<tab>, it's not hard |
| 12:55.26 | marchelly | sorry. tab is really annoying |
| 12:55.28 | bob- | abrotman: i guess? |
| 12:55.39 | abrotman | dpkg: tell bob- about squeeze->wheezy |
| 12:55.48 | bob- | its a vps so its not upto to me |
| 12:55.53 | bob- | s/to/ |
| 12:55.53 | abrotman | ew |
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| 12:56.11 | bob- | at home i run gentoo but when i ssh in w/ my console (urxvt) screen on debian says $term too long |
| 12:56.18 | bob- | which is rxvt-unicode-256 |
| 12:56.27 | bob- | it is supposed to be patched |
| 12:56.34 | bob- | atleast it is on gentoo |
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| 12:56.59 | sKeiths | does squeeze (Linux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64) support > 2tb drives? |
| 12:57.02 | abrotman | marchelly: FYI, grabbing those packages from unstable means you don't get security support |
| 12:57.09 | abrotman | sKeiths: yes |
| 12:57.25 | bob- | so what cai n do now abrotman |
| 12:57.28 | bob- | compile from source? |
| 12:57.38 | abrotman | bob-: that'd be my start if you can't upgrade to wheezy |
| 12:57.40 | sKeiths | abrotman, okay, so it might be a bios limitation. |
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| 12:57.47 | bob- | well that sucks |
| 12:57.51 | bob- | fine ill do that ty |
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| 12:58.41 | abrotman | sKeiths: look for a bios update |
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| 13:00.04 | marchelly | abrotman, so the right way - using 1 year old packages? |
| 13:00.08 | sKeiths | abrotman, will do, after i confirm i am able to mount this disk on another system. |
| 13:00.34 | abrotman | marchelly: do you require any new features from new newer packages? |
| 13:00.52 | mniip | AlBaTrOs-NOOB |
| 13:00.58 | mniip | Still there? |
| 13:01.03 | jelly | bob-: or just copy /usr/share/terminfo/r/rxvt-unicode-256color from a debian 7 installation and put in /etc/terminfo/r/ |
| 13:01.08 | abrotman | he said he'd brb |
| 13:01.27 | mniip | 600 seconds are over |
| 13:01.37 | mniip | Were, another 300 ago |
| 13:02.39 | luist | can anyone help me to get rid of this service from rc.d? http://pastie.org/8280095 |
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| 13:03.39 | bhuddah | luist: can you rephrase your question please? |
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| 13:04.17 | abrotman | it's a valid question |
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| 13:04.41 | luist | bhuddah: im trying to add my new service git-resque to rc.d, but i get this error from git-poller (the older service) and i can't remove git-poller |
| 13:05.50 | bhuddah | okay |
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| 13:06.38 | marchelly | abrotman, mostly no, but very often I can't understand why things are not working as I expecting, and this is because of very old version. no matter. okay, I'm setting in sources.list only stable wheezy and next step is to rebuild everything, right? how to do this? |
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| 13:06.50 | jtheuer | i'm looking for a deamon where I can send records (bytes) to. It shall collect the data and flush it every x seconds, x bytes or when it is shut down. flush should be scriptable (file copy, ssh upload, ..). Is there something already? |
| 13:07.10 | abrotman | marchelly: as i said, depends what you've already installed from unstable |
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| 13:08.01 | bhuddah | luist: have you tried to disable and remove git-poller via updaterc.d? |
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| 13:08.18 | luist | bhuddah: yes… gives this same message |
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| 13:08.35 | luist | bhuddah: i removed the files manually from the rc.d folders |
| 13:08.40 | luist | bhuddah: is that bad? |
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| 13:08.56 | bhuddah | luist: probably. maybe you should try to reinstall the providing package |
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| 13:09.10 | marchelly | abrotman, how to get this ? list of installed from unstable? |
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| 13:09.24 | moxie | im having a problem setting up two ethernet devices |
| 13:09.24 | abrotman | marchelly: you should hopefully remember? |
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| 13:09.53 | themill | marchelly: have you set your sources.list back to be wheezy only and run apt-get update? |
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| 13:09.57 | marchelly | hrm. as I told you this is fresh install, and unstable source is there from the very begining |
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| 13:10.06 | marchelly | themill, yes |
| 13:10.15 | abrotman | dpkg: tell marabout marnosomeone added it |
| 13:10.17 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 13:10.22 | abrotman | marchelly: no, someone added it |
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| 13:10.28 | themill | dpkg: tell marchelly about not available |
| 13:10.34 | Iridos | about what? |
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| 13:13.13 | marchelly | themill, abrotman http://pastebin.com/Xf4k7XFx here it is |
| 13:15.10 | themill | marchelly: welcome to sid. |
| 13:15.25 | marchelly | thanks |
| 13:15.34 | marchelly | here is current sources.list http://pastebin.com/kn26EP3s |
| 13:15.48 | abrotman | thinks marchelly missed the sarcasm |
| 13:16.03 | marchelly | so I need a magic command like emerge -e |
| 13:16.13 | themill | marchelly: there's no way that's the sources.list that the installer created. |
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| 13:16.26 | marchelly | abrotman, you mean that sid is unstable developers branch in debian? |
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| 13:17.07 | abrotman | !dnuts |
| 13:17.08 | dpkg | from memory, dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade> and <sid faq> |
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| 13:17.40 | marchelly | and now what? |
| 13:18.00 | themill | marchelly: reinstall it and don't do that again. |
| 13:18.04 | marchelly | where is the magic key like emerge -e system |
| 13:18.21 | moxie | rm |
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| 13:19.07 | marchelly | any other solution ? to rebuild existing system |
| 13:19.14 | moxie | marceloamorim, jessie > sid |
| 13:19.17 | themill | restore from your backups |
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| 13:19.48 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | mniip: im back |
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| 13:20.16 | Plastico | xit |
| 13:20.19 | Plastico | oops sorry |
| 13:20.30 | moxie | juicy jessie not saucy sid |
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| 13:24.24 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | anyone have a bash code to start a java application? |
| 13:24.29 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | *.jar |
| 13:24.35 | moxie | java -jar |
| 13:24.59 | busta | sorry, could you repeat please |
| 13:25.21 | themill | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: please don't start at the beginning again. You've already got that answer 4 times now. |
| 13:25.41 | oleo | java -jar -jar bings! |
| 13:25.45 | oleo | lol |
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| 13:26.10 | moxie | o leo |
| 13:26.18 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | ok ok |
| 13:26.20 | themill | tries to remember if that was funny the first time |
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| 13:26.57 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | in finally crashed the vps or smth, can't connect to ssh anymore =)) |
| 13:27.20 | moxie | i cant connect to serial console.... |
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| 13:28.02 | asherawelan | Alreet! I'm currently using the var/value pair theme=dark as an append when booting in to the debian installer… which is great for people with visual impairment - what other gtk themes are available for the installer and how do I use them? |
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| 13:29.14 | x-stream | Hi everyone, I am running squid 3.3.8 on debian wheezy using ntlm authentication with acl helper ext_wbinfo_group.acl which is the same as wbinfo_group.pl used in previous squid versions. I cant manage that the c-icap server gets the username from ntlm, all I get is something like this: Thu Aug 29 13:54:37 2013, general, VIRUS DETECTED: Eicar-Test-Signature , http client ip: (ip address remove here ;)) , http user: -, http url: ht |
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| 13:30.20 | x-stream | anybody faced this problem when using clamav in squid via c-icap? |
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| 13:31.55 | x-stream | user is always submitted as "user: -" :( |
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| 13:33.07 | moxie | helo ne1 halve probrem wif calamari using mussel-av and p-ipoop? |
| 13:33.19 | moxie | nothing to do with debian |
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| 13:33.53 | abrotman | that was quick |
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| 13:45.12 | busta | abrotman, sorry for abusing, but what is solution now? I mean how to rebuild system (not reinstall)? |
| 13:46.39 | abrotman | abusing ? |
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| 13:47.00 | busta | I mean abusing you with this question |
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| 13:53.36 | mniip | AlBaTrOs-NOOB, has it been a vps? |
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| 13:54.20 | mniip | AlBaTrOs-NOOB, what visualizing software |
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| 13:56.59 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | what do you mean about visualizing software? |
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| 13:57.14 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | it's a french or german vps |
| 13:57.17 | Incogn1toMan | maybe he means virtual |
| 13:57.25 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | with a crapy openvz |
| 13:57.52 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | which was not installed and configured by the hoster but by my friend that lent me the vps |
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| 13:59.08 | mniip | AlBaTrOs-NOOB, there's your problem |
| 13:59.26 | mniip | Java doesn't work on openvz |
| 13:59.50 | mniip | Unless you do some arcane memory configuration |
| 14:00.09 | mniip | On the host side, that is |
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| 14:03.54 | mniip | in the old days I also tried to launch mc daemon on an openvz |
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| 14:04.10 | mniip | Switched to Xen |
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| 14:09.38 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | i doubt the vps guy will have the patience to do that arcane memory configuration |
| 14:10.03 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | you've all been awesome and helped me a lot in desperate times |
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| 14:10.47 | marchelly | abrotman, so what is solution now? I mean how to rebuild system (not reinstall)? |
| 14:10.53 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | i'll be away for a while until the vps guy gets back to the computer i have to finish other work :*( |
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| 14:11.15 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: Isn't it "working" (to a certain degree) if you restrict the heap size as I've demonstrated earlier? I mean the fact that you should actually be getting a decent (Xen, KVM, ..) hoster is evident, but I was under the impression that we had you running at least ... |
| 14:12.26 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | babilen: java was really working until i tried starting the minecraft server that requested somehow more RAM and didn't work of course |
| 14:12.37 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | it's a huge server |
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| 14:13.04 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | and the deadline is getting closer and closer |
| 14:13.12 | Handuel | How should I setup sound? |
| 14:13.18 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | and the vps is down for about an hour :)) |
| 14:13.32 | Handuel | I have just installed debian and have no sound |
| 14:13.56 | twostone | @Handuel: Your soundcard would be? |
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| 14:14.35 | Handuel | twostone: from lspci: Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 14:14.38 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: Get a decent hoster -- I really don't see it happening under these conditions. (honest opinion) |
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| 14:14.46 | AlBaTrOs-NOOB | until the vps comes back on or smth i invite you to watch a video with me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1mdxSSr9-g&list=TLYsYNfH3cb_Y |
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| 14:15.17 | twostone | @Handuel: That's no soundcard, just a soundbridge to provide sound over HDMI |
| 14:15.30 | babilen | AlBaTrOs-NOOB: Please try to post content like that in #debian-offtopic which is our social channel. |
| 14:15.38 | Handuel | twostone: oh. that's all I've got... how would I get that to work? |
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| 14:17.03 | Handuel | Also as an aside anyone know how to configure xterm to be white on black instead of black on white, this is hurting my eyes |
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| 14:17.42 | twostone | @Handuel: You don't, as far as I know. You'd need some sound processor, to route the signal through that thing. Don't you even have onboard sound? most boards nowadays do, even if it's not too good. |
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| 14:18.32 | Handuel | twostone: I don't really know. All I know is it worked out of the box on Ubuntu, so I'm assuming there is a way to do it |
| 14:20.06 | Handuel | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.07 | Handuel | 00:05.0 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2 |
| 14:20.15 | twostone | @Handuel: You might have to play about with asound.conf a bit to create a bridge, but that's out of my league, since the first thing I usually do is blacklist the Nvidia HDA. |
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| 14:20.32 | babilen | Handuel: That's quite easy ... You need to configure it in ~/.Xresources -- Just google for "xterm color xresources" and you'll find plenty of articles. |
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| 14:20.53 | Handuel | babilen: twostone: thanks. Time to do some googling :) |
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| 14:26.47 | przemek | hello support one my client ask me to install debian in efi boot mode, do you know anything about efi boot ? whats the point using this mode? thank yo |
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| 14:29.48 | babilen | przemek: Our wheezy installers support it and you can read about efi here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface (you might also want to look into GPT) |
| 14:29.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell przemek about uefi |
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| 14:30.12 | brilliant__ | dpkg -i cnijfilter-common_2.90-1_i386.deb ..... dpkg-deb: Error: File »cnijfilter-common_2.90-1_i386.deb« is not a Debian-Binary ... dpkg-deb --control End with Error2 |
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| 14:30.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell przemek about gpt |
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| 14:31.22 | babilen | brilliant__: What is this cnijfilter-common_2.90-1_i386.deb ? It certainly isn't in Debian and it doesn't even seem to be a valid .deb file by the looks of it. |
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| 14:32.13 | brilliant__ | babilen: its a printer-driver .. canon.. i had to modify it, after this, i get a error |
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| 14:32.44 | brilliant__ | modify because libcupsys2 is now libcup2 (depencies) |
| 14:32.52 | brilliant__ | babilen: |
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| 14:33.51 | brilliant__ | the instructions to modify the *.deb http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Canon-Drucker#Abhaengigkeiten-bearbeiten |
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| 14:37.26 | zathras | Hi. I have a debian Wheezy machine with LVM. I migrated LVM root to a new disk. Now the motherboard died on me and I moved the disks to a new PC. |
| 14:38.12 | zathras | The disk containing lvm root is recognized and accessible when I use a LiveCD to boot. However both fdisk and gdisk do not show partitions |
| 14:38.24 | zathras | and I cannot install grub on it (/dev/sda) |
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| 14:38.47 | zathras | I have chrooted into the LVM setup |
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| 14:39.29 | swede73 | what brand HD is it |
| 14:40.26 | zathras | ST2000 (sata 2 GB recent) |
| 14:40.30 | zathras | *TB |
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| 14:40.48 | zathras | so Seagate |
| 14:41.05 | swede73 | ok seagate give me a sec |
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| 14:41.38 | babilen | brilliant__: Sorry, I've been called away - You might want to ask again (or in #debian on irc.oftc.net or even in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net) |
| 14:42.22 | swede73 | seagate has diagnostic tools on their website |
| 14:42.46 | swede73 | if not able to access data you should be able to low level format the drive |
| 14:43.00 | zathras | no. I can access the data |
| 14:43.13 | zathras | but only when accessed from LVM |
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| 14:43.27 | jelly | zathras: pastebin the output of "pvs" |
| 14:43.38 | zathras | there is no partitiontable so is claimed by both fdisk and gdisk which is strange |
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| 14:45.50 | swede73 | did you use -l option when using fdisk |
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| 14:47.11 | zathras | yes |
| 14:47.38 | jelly | zathras: it would be interesting to see where exactly the boot loader is/was stored if this was the only disk in the old machine |
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| 14:48.01 | jelly | considering there's no partition table, so no extra free space before the first partition |
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| 14:48.19 | zathras | jelly, no there were 4 disks. 1 with trouble so I migrated away from that |
| 14:49.09 | jelly | zathras: that explains it. Well the easiest thing to do add another small disk next to this one and set up the boot loader there. |
| 14:49.32 | jelly | a usb stick would suffice if BIOS can boot from it |
| 14:49.45 | zathras | hmm. If I chroot into an environment and then start an SSH server: which user should I use to login remotely? The original or the one of the chrooted environment |
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| 14:50.03 | jelly | zathras: the latter |
| 14:50.31 | zathras | Yes. I thought so. Yet it fails |
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| 14:50.53 | moldy | hi |
| 14:51.00 | brilliant__ | babilen: no Problem thanks |
| 14:51.22 | jelly | zathras: you don't know why it fails, yet |
| 14:51.22 | zathras | I will have a go with USB then |
| 14:51.27 | zathras | true |
| 14:51.39 | zathras | it does not accept my password |
| 14:51.45 | moldy | my network interface (manual configuration) doesn't come up completely. the ip address is assigned, but other settings (default gw) are not. do i need to have any special packages installed for this to work, or what else could be wrong here? |
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| 14:53.07 | jelly | zathras: if you want to debug that ssh issue, start the rsyslog service in the chroot as well, try to log in again, and inspect /var/log/auth.log (for a start) |
| 14:54.42 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 14:54.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:54.59 | jhutchins | moldy: Paste your interfaces file - probably a syntax error. |
| 14:55.08 | zathras | jelly, joy: "user"/"live" worked |
| 14:55.19 | zathras | so not the chrooted enviroment. strange |
| 14:55.44 | zathras | at least I can pastebin now |
| 14:56.27 | jelly | zathras: the implication there is the ssh service was started outside the chroot, or you used an unusual way of chrooting that (temporarily) overrode user databases in the chroot |
| 14:56.52 | zathras | http://paste.debian.net/31865/ |
| 14:56.54 | moldy | jhutchins: http://paste.debian.net/31864 |
| 14:57.23 | moldy | jhutchins: i am pretty sure there is no syntax error here. is the fact that i need the static route to reach my gateway the problem? if i setup the routing manually, it works fine |
| 14:58.18 | jelly | zathras: what are sdb and sdc for? You could perhaps install grub on one of those and instruct bios to boot from there. |
| 14:58.25 | zathras | would be nicer if it has not been sda but sda1..... |
| 14:58.58 | zathras | grub is on one of them and allowes to boot other environments |
| 14:59.23 | jelly | so why can't you use that instance of grub? |
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| 14:59.45 | zathras | the funny thing is I think I am missing 1 disk. There should be 2 SCSI disks, 1 sata and 1 sas drive |
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| 15:00.14 | zathras | because it is outdated and does not include my wheezy installation |
| 15:00.27 | zathras | but I could have a go woth sdc and sdb |
| 15:00.30 | zathras | *with |
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| 15:00.35 | zathras | thanks |
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| 15:00.41 | User760 | stu "d!ckless" lantz betrays all; trannys + queers(chaste Homos/a$$holes), rule; pam neal, andrea hylton/trannys; Q bama, Q dubya, votesmart.org, usa.gov, cia.gov (world leaders), statelocalgov.net, mondotimes.com |
| 15:00.44 | jelly | zathras: so update its config, or overwrite it with grun from the latest OS instance you have |
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| 15:00.55 | zathras | Have to get into a meeting and will try afterwards |
| 15:00.58 | zathras | yup |
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| 15:01.06 | jelly | grun? eh |
| 15:01.10 | nvz | could anyone perhaps give me the basics of bluetooth networking.. I'm using my android phone as a modem right now and the micro usb is touchy.. those tiny things never stay in real good and it drops my internet.. I know on android side I just check Bluetooth rather than USB tether but idk what to do from the debian side.. |
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| 15:03.49 | nvz | I suppose I can fgi.. but figured I'd ask in case anyone is familiar with how that works.. I personally only ever used bluetooth for a headset and that was ages ago.. not really familiar with bluetooth much or how it works in debian |
| 15:04.11 | handuel | anyone know what driver to use for sound over the nvidia hda MCP61 |
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| 15:06.54 | handuel | Ahh I've got it sorted, I just needed to start alsa, (sudo alsactl init) anyone know how to set it up to do this at boot as default? |
| 15:07.21 | moldy | ok, ifupdown-extra ignores my sttaic route in /etc/networking/routes... |
| 15:07.24 | moldy | argh argh argh |
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| 15:19.19 | cusco | hi, if I use dd to mirror a disk image, it copyes everything, and I can use recovery software such as photorec on that image.. and find deleted files ? |
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| 15:21.13 | Iridos | cusco, if you copy the raw device (and don't give dd options to copy less than all of it), yes |
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| 15:21.36 | cusco | so dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb |
| 15:21.57 | cusco | the disk is the same make and model, thus having same geometry is not a problem |
| 15:22.03 | cusco | so I can recover on sdb later on |
| 15:22.05 | cusco | right ? |
| 15:22.07 | Iridos | I think more often you'd use of=./brokendisk.img or so |
| 15:22.14 | cusco | ok |
| 15:22.22 | cusco | thank you Iridos |
| 15:22.24 | Iridos | but yeah, if they're the same... |
| 15:22.38 | Iridos | just usually you have bought a much bigger disk :) |
| 15:22.57 | babilen | cusco: You could even mount ./brokendisk.img just like you could mount (or not mount) /dev/sda before. |
| 15:23.01 | cusco | disk is not broken, just need to find some files and allow the owner to keep using it |
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| 15:23.28 | cusco | I am aware I can mount images, I'm not sure photorec can read mounted stuff or device blocks only |
| 15:23.46 | babilen | cusco: Yeah, create an image (copy to a file) and then work on a copy of that. (so you have the originial disk and one untouched copy and no way to mess up the data during tampering with it) |
| 15:23.59 | cusco | ok |
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| 15:24.03 | stevied | i've got a web server that's getting hammered. what command can I run to determine which ip addresses are hammering it? I've got a varnish server in front of it? |
| 15:24.07 | cusco | thanks |
| 15:24.19 | Iridos | but if the disk's not broken, I don't understand why you need photorec at all? disk is ok, but filesystem is broken? |
| 15:24.37 | cusco | Iridos: files were deleted and she needs them back. |
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| 15:24.42 | Iridos | ah |
| 15:25.05 | cusco | stevied: how do you know its being hamered ? I guess logs of varnish would show IP's |
| 15:25.09 | cusco | I've never used varnish tho |
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| 15:25.32 | stevied | cusco: munin is showing apache access way up |
| 15:25.32 | cusco | I would look at apache logs, but i'm not sure apache will show the user's ip or local varnish ip |
| 15:25.57 | cusco | check /var/log/apache/*log or whatever set in vhost conf |
| 15:26.12 | peterrooney | cusco: you can't safely write back to same disk you |
| 15:26.14 | Iridos | cusco, depending on what filesystem it is and when the files was deleted, you may have better recovery options than photorec... xfs has pretty nice recovery, so has ext4, IIRC |
| 15:26.16 | peterrooney | 're recovering from |
| 15:26.26 | stevied | cusco, i've got a few hundred sites with different log files |
| 15:26.36 | cusco | Iridos: ntfs |
| 15:26.50 | stevied | cusco, plus the sites are logging the ip address of the varnish server so i just get a generic 192.168.13.1 address |
| 15:27.15 | cusco | stevied: so you need to look ad varnish logs, but I can't advise you on that as I've never used it |
| 15:27.31 | stevied | cusco, you gave me an idea, though |
| 15:27.41 | stevied | actually, the server logs do have the ip address |
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| 15:28.09 | stevied | cusco, sure enough, I've got a ddos attack on my hands |
| 15:28.13 | cusco | I would (if apache had the IP) parse log, group by hour interval and sort ip's with most accesses |
| 15:28.21 | cusco | ddos ? |
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| 15:28.32 | cusco | there is the tpc syn cookie and some other stuff on iptables for that |
| 15:28.35 | lotherk | stevied read about X-Forwarded-For and apache's rpaf module to get the ip's from your visitors into your apache logs |
| 15:28.56 | stevied | lotherk, thanks i actually had it set up and didn't realize it |
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| 15:29.09 | stevied | so I've got thousands of bots trying to hit a wp-login.php page |
| 15:29.20 | cusco | also do what lotherk said and there is a mod for apache that will temp bloc requests in the excess of X per second |
| 15:30.05 | cusco | stevied: I had that before. Can't remember what I did tho, but I guess http://codex.wordpress.org/Brute_Force_Attacks would be a starting point |
| 15:30.06 | stevied | cusco, it's a ddos attack |
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| 15:32.13 | Cheri | hey |
| 15:32.14 | cusco | regarding wp-login I added a php instruction oin top of it to validate if it has $_GET['lalala'], else die(), |
| 15:32.23 | cusco | but that was on my own wp |
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| 15:32.58 | stevied | cusco, i just change the wp-login.php to an html page for now |
| 15:32.59 | ksk | yes, ddos/bruteforce agains wp-login.php is verry common these days :) |
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| 15:33.19 | ksk | i used to put a nginx-reverse-proxy in front of it and filter out /wp-login.php location - really performs |
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| 15:34.49 | stevied | cusco, ok changing the php page to an html page that is now cached by varnish solved it for now |
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| 15:35.33 | stevied | ksk how do people log in to wp-login.php? |
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| 15:36.44 | cusco | it posts to itslef |
| 15:36.56 | cusco | lol |
| 15:37.02 | cusco | dunno in ksk's case |
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| 15:37.22 | alruna | hello. |
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| 15:38.08 | alruna | is there any program that adds a slight tint to the entire X11 display? i'd like something like that to activate when i, say, press the ctrl button. |
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| 15:39.00 | sKeiths | abrotman: the limitation was not in my bios or OS. it was the usb-sata convertor i was using. array started volume mounted. thanks. |
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| 16:13.54 | n8t | hi all |
| 16:13.57 | n8t | any one :? |
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| 16:15.06 | n8t | pls tellme why i have some connections from akamai technologies and have i worry about that ? |
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| 16:16.23 | Ooops | Hi |
| 16:16.28 | n8t | hi |
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| 16:16.48 | Ooops | Whenever i'm trying to launch gdm |
| 16:16.57 | Ooops | i got a black screen with a cursor |
| 16:16.59 | Ooops | no login |
| 16:17.16 | n8t | startx ? |
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| 16:17.48 | virtuose | n8t: akamai is a CDN |
| 16:17.51 | Ooops | isnt installed |
| 16:17.51 | alruna | n8t: what type of connections? |
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| 16:18.04 | Ooops | the fact is the X server is doing well |
| 16:18.09 | Ooops | but gnome is messed up |
| 16:18.15 | n8t | alruna: https ? i think |
| 16:18.20 | alruna | n8t: facebook and loads of other sites load javascript from akamai. |
| 16:18.30 | virtuose | youtube etc... |
| 16:18.33 | Ooops | should i try openbox ? |
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| 16:18.59 | n8t | alruna: i think in the same direction like you ... some streaming is not closing or somethink like that |
| 16:19.17 | n8t | thanks |
| 16:19.20 | n8t | :) |
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| 16:20.02 | lazyapple | hello |
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| 16:21.32 | lazyapple | could someone help me with a problem i have with debian? |
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| 16:21.54 | Brigo | lazyapple: may be, just ask the quetion. |
| 16:22.20 | lazyapple | well, since i installed it my computer goes really slow |
| 16:22.38 | lazyapple | i tried to install my previous software |
| 16:22.44 | lazyapple | windows |
| 16:22.53 | lazyapple | but nothing |
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| 16:23.30 | lazyapple | while i was installing debian i did something wrong |
| 16:23.35 | Brigo | what hardware do you have? |
| 16:23.55 | lazyapple | laptop with 64bit prossecor |
| 16:23.57 | lazyapple | intel |
| 16:24.03 | Brigo | ram? |
| 16:24.04 | lazyapple | 8gb ram |
| 16:24.09 | Brigo | wow. |
| 16:24.10 | lazyapple | i think |
| 16:24.14 | lazyapple | or 4 |
| 16:24.22 | lazyapple | im not sure 8 or 4 |
| 16:24.24 | Brigo | 4 is enought too :-) |
| 16:24.41 | lazyapple | i just wanted to try linux anyway |
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| 16:24.49 | lazyapple | and while i was doing the installation |
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| 16:24.59 | lazyapple | i slept |
| 16:25.02 | Brigo | why do you thik debian are working slow? |
| 16:25.14 | Brigo | think* |
| 16:25.15 | lazyapple | im telling w8 |
| 16:25.36 | lazyapple | well i chose to reform the disc and not erase |
| 16:25.42 | lazyapple | so i wake up the next day |
| 16:25.50 | lazyapple | and it was not finished |
| 16:26.01 | lazyapple | in fact it had merely began :P |
| 16:26.02 | Brigo | the hibernation? |
| 16:26.09 | lazyapple | no the installation |
| 16:26.23 | lazyapple | i had choosen to reform the disc |
| 16:26.29 | lazyapple | i dont know if u get me |
| 16:26.39 | lazyapple | and not to erase it |
| 16:27.01 | Brigo | not exactly. Did you create a new partition for linux? |
| 16:27.06 | jhutchins | !tell lazyapple about enter |
| 16:27.16 | lazyapple | enter? |
| 16:27.26 | lazyapple | no i didnt create a new partition |
| 16:27.45 | jhutchins | lazyapple: See message from dpkg - not to be used as punctuation. |
| 16:28.10 | Brigo | lazyapple: you installed in a ntfs partiton?? |
| 16:28.26 | lazyapple | sry i dont understand u see my english is poor jhutchins |
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| 16:29.05 | lazyapple | Brigo i dont remember exactly |
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| 16:29.25 | Brigo | well, ntfs is the filesystem of windows, so .. |
| 16:29.54 | lazyapple | oh actually one day before i had installed ubuntu |
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| 16:30.05 | lazyapple | but i didnt like the GUI |
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| 16:30.17 | lazyapple | so it was not ntds |
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| 16:30.20 | lazyapple | ntfs |
| 16:30.25 | lazyapple | it was something else? |
| 16:31.11 | jhutchins | lazyapple: Try to say as much of what you need on a single line - many lines makes it hard for other people to follow. |
| 16:31.40 | jhutchins | lazyapple: It sounds like you chose to use automatic partitioning and the install froze on formatting the partitions, is that correct? |
| 16:31.55 | jhutchins | lazyapple: I think maybe you just need to restart the install and ask for help where you need it. |
| 16:31.58 | Brigo | lazyapple: ok, so there was a problem with the install. ¿Did you remember the error or what the system was doing? |
| 16:32.32 | Brigo | lazyapple: i gree with jhutchins. |
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| 16:33.09 | lazyapple | well i wasnt really paying attention i was just clicking next next next |
| 16:33.33 | lazyapple | cause the installation was guided and i thought it would be easy |
| 16:33.44 | jhutchins | lazyapple: So if you don't know what you did last, we certainly can't tell you how to fix it. |
| 16:34.17 | lazyapple | but i remember that o have chose to encrypt the disk |
| 16:34.21 | lazyapple | and LVM |
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| 16:35.32 | mtn | lazyapple: start over. reinstall. pay attention. do it right and profit. |
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| 16:35.39 | jelly | lazyapple: "reformat" and "erase" are kind of similar in its destructive meaning |
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| 16:35.58 | lazyapple | actually mtn and jelly i did that |
| 16:36.18 | lazyapple | and i installed ubuntu after once again but the problem is still here |
| 16:36.25 | mtn | lazyapple: doesn't sound you paid attention |
| 16:36.30 | mtn | sound like, that is |
| 16:36.32 | jelly | also, encryption will use CPU resources, perhaps as much as a whole CPU core if you have a fast SSD and no hardware AES-NI support |
| 16:37.08 | lazyapple | jelly no i have a good hardware |
| 16:37.09 | musca | perfect choice, ask in the #ubuntu channel, please |
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| 16:37.43 | lazyapple | would it be a good idea to reinstall once more? |
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| 16:38.20 | lionrouge | hi ^_^ |
| 16:38.26 | lionrouge | i have a 486SX-based computer, which distros i can run on it? Debian, SLS, Slackware, smth. other i don't know about? |
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| 16:38.49 | babilen | lionrouge: Recent Debian releases won't run on that |
| 16:38.54 | lazyapple | anyway tnxs for help |
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| 16:39.23 | lionrouge | of course i mean first versions of Debian |
| 16:39.39 | babilen | "of course" :) |
| 16:39.40 | lionrouge | as i know they are about 1994 |
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| 16:40.07 | jelly | I remember slink and potato ran on those |
| 16:40.23 | babilen | lionrouge: It might very well have been that you want to attempt running something a bit more recent on that hardware to which I simply wanted to respond: Don't :) |
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| 16:41.00 | lionrouge | it's just for fun |
| 16:41.08 | lionrouge | and i'm ok for pure console |
| 16:41.10 | babilen | SUSE might work too, but then this is rather a question for ##linux isn't it? |
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| 16:41.17 | musca | 4MB of RAM is no fun |
| 16:41.22 | lionrouge | they didn't asked there |
| 16:41.35 | lionrouge | 16MB *proud of his cool computer* |
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| 16:46.06 | dot__ | hello is it possible to replace mailx with exim? |
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| 16:48.30 | musca | lionrouge: a 12 MB distro http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=tinycore |
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| 16:51.06 | lionrouge | musca, thanks |
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| 16:53.37 | cthuluh | dot__: replace? they are not supposed to do the same work |
| 16:55.03 | jhile | hey guys im new to the way debian works, i am running debian testing and was curious to how long it usually takes them to move from say gnome 3.4 to 3.8, i noticed a decent amount of gnome 3.8 packages but the overall desktop still uses 3.4 |
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| 16:56.38 | uehuehue | jhile, IMHO don't use Debian unless you use stable. If you want something "recent" go with Fedora or Arch or whatever. |
| 16:56.45 | uehuehue | Just my opinion, anyway. |
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| 16:57.20 | musca | !gnome status |
| 16:57.21 | dpkg | Status of the GNOME 3.8 <transition> can be found at http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.8-status.html |
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| 16:57.34 | jhutchins | jhile: It's pretty much "as they're ready". Debian's releases aren't based on a schedule. |
| 16:57.58 | Pikudoz | lionrouge, basiclinus too : google as baslinux |
| 16:58.27 | jhile | i realize debian is made to be stable, but even switching repo's to jessie and following jessie to stable seems pretty darn rock solid |
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| 16:58.48 | Pikudoz | Baslin or BL3 lionrouge |
| 16:59.01 | lionrouge | Pikudoz, thanks |
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| 16:59.31 | uehuehue | Will Debian move to systemd ? |
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| 17:01.14 | mtn | uehuehue: I am brushing off my crystal ball. hmm, looks like "maybe" |
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| 17:03.35 | uehuehue | Ah ok |
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| 17:04.17 | codepython7771 | If I clone a debian box and run multiple copies of it, do i need to change anything in the copies? (ssh keys/unique ids/etc?) |
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| 17:04.31 | uehuehue | Depends what you want to share..? |
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| 17:05.21 | uehuehue | Two boxes won't really "look" different from the outside, so you need to figure out what's different about said copies and then change said things. |
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| 17:07.24 | nodiscc | hi does anyone know how to automatically lock GNOME keyrings when nothing accesses them? |
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| 17:07.43 | uehuehue | It's in the settings |
| 17:07.50 | nodiscc | I remember I had the option to set the timeout to 5/10/15 minutes in the keyring unlock dialog |
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| 17:08.06 | nodiscc | but it's not there. |
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| 17:08.29 | nodiscc | uehuehue: keyring settings? |
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| 17:11.05 | TheWarden | Hi, what is the proper way to backup all crontabs on a system? Would it be to cop all directories within /var/spool/croon/ ? |
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| 17:11.59 | TheWarden | The backup is ran via BASH script run by root using cron. This script would be the one that takes a backup of the crontabs, once I learn how to do that properly. |
| 17:12.53 | crane | hey ho, is this the right way to mark connections and restore the marks with iptables? http://pastebin.com/5NMRt8n1 |
| 17:13.05 | codepython7771 | uehuehue: Its just a box, without much sharing- they are just dhcp boxes that do similar things. No sharing required. |
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| 17:15.15 | abrotman | sKeiths: that's no fun .. |
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| 17:23.29 | armin | jjjrekommt drauf an, das ist ja eigentlich schon ziemlich massiv nen szenebegriff. |
| 17:23.37 | armin | EWIN |
| 17:24.02 | Kilsharion | Hey guys - got somethng super weird going on. Ifconfig shows right ip, etc/hosts shows right IP, box receives on right IP - but, it's transmitting all traffic on an IP that is not correct (using .198 instead of .199)...I've run out of places to look. Any suggestions? |
| 17:24.21 | dispersed | what is transmitting |
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| 17:25.24 | Kilsharion | all sorts of stuff, primarily SIP. but, even ICMP is going out wrong. |
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| 17:25.36 | gnuweb | hello i have a debian host and a virtualbox ubuntu guest, and im trying to share my debian home folder, and i was able to mount it, but I don't have necessary permissions to open any files from the shared folder.. what do I need to do in the debian host? thanks for any help |
| 17:26.19 | mtn | gnuweb: the virtual box website has good help |
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| 17:27.37 | jhutchins | Kilsharion: WHat is the host? Physical, virtual? WHat release of Debian? How are you determining the originating IP? |
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| 17:27.57 | NbZ2 | Hi! |
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| 17:28.32 | Kilsharion | it's a virtual host on squeeze. I'm watching tcp dump (and talking to my vendor) It's just strange. He sees me sending from .198, not .199; but, the box is configured for .199 |
| 17:28.49 | Kilsharion | VM is on Xen |
| 17:29.25 | Kilsharion | jhutchins - and I see tcpdump agreeing with my vendor - it's saying it's sending from .198...which just makes zero sense |
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| 17:30.06 | jhutchins | is 198 a valid address for something? |
| 17:30.18 | Kilsharion | yup - my other egress gateway. |
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| 17:30.45 | Kilsharion | my dns shows this as .199. I /receive/ on .199....it just decided to start tx on .198 for some hairbrain reason |
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| 17:30.57 | NbZ2 | Hi, compile kernel on stable + grsec patch. Compilation output errors kernel/kmod.c: In function ‘___request_module’: etc... |
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| 17:31.12 | jhile | hey guys, what would cause debian to run hot on my laptop? |
| 17:31.39 | NbZ2 | jhile: Show GPU, lspci | grep VGA |
| 17:32.06 | jhile | no command show |
| 17:32.34 | jhile | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218M [GeForce 310M] (rev a2) |
| 17:32.40 | jhile | for the other command |
| 17:33.32 | dispersed | 'tis likely not a command to the machine but yourself which oyu eexecuted well.. |
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| 17:33.56 | NbZ2 | jhile: Hmm, you Mini-ITX machine? Zotac https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Zotac/Zbox/squeeze |
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| 17:34.13 | martin-_- | hi, I can't start virt-manager I got "Error starting Virtual Machine Manager: No D-BUS daemon running" but d-bus is running |
| 17:34.37 | codepython7771 | In /root, i've a directory (and its subdirs) that i want to give read permission to all my users. I tried chmod -R a+r ./dir -- seems lilke users are still having trouble - any ideas how to fix this? |
| 17:34.58 | codepython7771 | do i hve to give "a+x" as well? |
| 17:35.27 | NbZ2 | codepython7771: show chmod ;) |
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| 17:35.36 | dispersed | codepython7771: for directories, yes |
| 17:35.45 | dispersed | codepython7771: use a+rX |
| 17:35.46 | jhile | NbZ2, hmm i have audio, graphics and wifi setup like the article says |
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| 17:35.54 | codepython7771 | whatz captal X? |
| 17:35.55 | dispersed | codepython7771: correction, it needs to be a big X if you use -R |
| 17:36.01 | dispersed | codepython7771: it sets that only on directories |
| 17:36.27 | dispersed | otherwise you'll end up making all the files executable |
| 17:36.28 | NbZ2 | jhile: Hmm graphic driver non-free? |
| 17:36.38 | LtL | codepython7771: find /path -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 755 # recursively sets all directories 755 |
| 17:36.40 | dispersed | codepython7771: for directories, executable means you can cd there |
| 17:36.40 | jhile | yeah using nvidia, shows nvidia on bootup too |
| 17:36.42 | codepython7771 | dispersed: seems like the problem is that "/root" does not have permissions for users |
| 17:36.49 | bofh_omega | Is http://deb-multimedia.org/ available for you? Has anyone else seen wrong gpg signatures, before it went down? |
| 17:36.58 | codepython7771 | I'll have to put this directory somewhere else then? |
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| 17:37.40 | LtL | codepython7771: not a great idea though for /root/ use a different path. |
| 17:37.59 | NbZ2 | jhile: Ok, use stable, testing or sid? sensors show temperature gpu? |
| 17:38.04 | jhile | NbZ2, it does seem to have something to do with video |
| 17:38.23 | codepython7771 | Just moved to /opt |
| 17:38.24 | codepython7771 | thanks |
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| 17:38.35 | jhile | NbZ2, testing right now, was using stable with similar problems. when i watch video i get the video clipping and such so dont know of the gpu is over working |
| 17:39.03 | jhile | NbZ2, with other distro's sometimes i had to disable desktop effects to get rid of that, but gnome 3 doesn't really have that option |
| 17:39.08 | NbZ2 | jhile: vdpau installed? |
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| 17:39.32 | abrotman | bofh_omega: web services go down sometimes |
| 17:39.37 | jhile | NbZ2, i didnt install vdpau unless it comes installed |
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| 17:40.24 | NbZ2 | jhile: Kernel form repository? |
| 17:40.41 | jhile | NbZ2, yeah testing upgraded to 3.10-2 |
| 17:40.49 | jhile | NbZ2, still have 3.2 |
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| 17:42.06 | bofh_omega | abrotman: yes, but the interessting point (at least for me) are the broken gpg signatures before it went down. The deb-multimedia mirrors provide correct signatures. |
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| 17:43.52 | NbZ2 | jhile: Hmm try new version kernel, and drivers |
| 17:44.13 | NbZ2 | jhile: Upgrade to sid ;) |
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| 17:44.26 | jhile | lol that will fix problems? |
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| 17:45.16 | jelly-home | NbZ2: please don't even joke about that, sid is not an upgrade |
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| 17:55.51 | mayhew | How can I check what version of the Intel GPU driver I'm using? |
| 17:56.12 | abrotman | mayhew: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 17:57.27 | mayhew | abrotman: thanks |
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| 18:04.07 | nonconvergent | I've got a PATH addition in my ~/.profile that's not being sourced when shells are opened, but I know it works when I manually source ~/.profile |
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| 18:06.13 | LtL | nonconvergent: I use ~/.bashrc but some say thats not the best way but it works for me. |
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| 18:09.40 | nonconvergent | Oh, I just had a weird crash. I closed the laptop after telling it to lock the screen, then came back to I odn't know what. It looked like it had just finished a trace. Wouldn't respond to sysrq |
| 18:09.51 | nonconvergent | I had to reboot the hard way. |
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| 18:13.04 | nonconvergent | Looking back on it, it looks like it tried to hibernate in kern.log |
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| 18:14.55 | codepython7771 | Whats the command to delete a user and his home directory ? |
| 18:15.16 | NbZ2 | codepython7771: man usermod |
| 18:15.19 | codepython7771 | sudo userdel newuser; sudo rm -rf /home/newuser ? |
| 18:15.28 | Twinkletoes | Is there a vnc repeater package I can install on Wheezy? |
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| 18:15.46 | codepython7771 | NbZ2: Anything wrong with my command? |
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| 18:16.08 | NbZ2 | codepython7771: why? |
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| 18:17.02 | codepython7771 | Am not sure that this is enough to remove all traces of a user: sudo userdel newuser; sudo rm -rf /home/newuser |
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| 18:17.27 | Twinkletoes | codepython7771: userdel -r is what you want |
| 18:17.48 | Twinkletoes | codepython7771: it explains what it does int he man page, but basicalyl lcear out mail spool file, crontab etc |
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| 18:20.39 | codepython7771 | Twinkletoes: userdel: user newuser is currently used by process 3268 |
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| 18:21.04 | Twinkletoes | codepython7771: and who owns that process at the moment? |
| 18:21.10 | codepython7771 | ps -ef | grep newuser -> Null |
| 18:21.13 | Twinkletoes | codepython7771: check out the -f option to userdel |
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| 18:21.23 | Twinkletoes | codepython7771: I'mn only guessing now |
| 18:21.44 | codepython7771 | I killed the process number and it worked |
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| 18:24.02 | NbZ2 | Compile kernel, and add grsec patch from repo, output errors... kernel/kmod.c:185:2: error: implicit declaration of function ‘____request_module’ [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration] |
| 18:24.12 | NbZ2 | Some suggestion? |
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| 18:26.22 | jelly-home | NbZ2: ignore the debian's packaging for grsec, it's always outdated. Get the stable from grsecurity.net and the matching 3.2.x vanilla kernel source. |
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| 18:28.17 | jelly-home | debian really ought to remove linux-patch-grsecurity2 from the distro |
| 18:28.29 | ompaul | NbZ2: and please don't ask on two IRC channel servers at once |
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| 18:29.45 | NbZ2 | jelly-home: Ok :) Why maintainer don't update this package? Why remove? |
| 18:30.20 | jelly-home | NbZ2: why remove? Exactly because it's not updated |
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| 18:30.53 | jelly-home | so it does not cause confusion and make people try build with a 14 months old patch |
| 18:31.17 | jelly-home | ,v linux-patch-grsecurity2 |
| 18:31.18 | judd | Package: linux-patch-grsecurity2 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.1.14+2.6.32.13-201005151340-1; jessie: 2.9.1+3.2.21-201206221855-1; sid: 2.9.1+3.2.21-201206221855-1; wheezy: 2.9.1+3.2.21-201206221855-1 |
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| 18:31.35 | NbZ2 | jelly-home: Show kernel package on wheezy ;) |
| 18:32.06 | jelly-home | grsecurity-2.9.1-3.2.50-201308282053.patch is current |
| 18:32.21 | jelly-home | NbZ2: why? The kernel is up to date, based on 3.2.46 |
| 18:32.26 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 18:32.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-rc4-686-pae (3.11~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.7-1); jessie: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.10.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
| 18:33.00 | NbZ2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.20 | jelly-home | yes. Look at the version. |
| 18:33.58 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell NbZ2 about kernel abi |
| 18:34.13 | codepython7771 | is there a way to tell debian to optimize the file system for reads ? |
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| 18:34.30 | codepython7771 | something similar to disk optimizer in windows? |
| 18:34.32 | NbZ2 | Old version, normal on stable ;) |
| 18:34.56 | NbZ2 | codepython7771: Optimalize you journaling ;) |
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| 18:35.28 | codepython7771 | NbZ2: Can i force it somehow? |
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| 18:36.54 | NbZ2 | codepython7771: What's you filesystem |
| 18:37.06 | NbZ2 | ? |
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| 18:38.09 | codepython7771 | yes |
| 18:38.18 | codepython7771 | I want to make sure all files have contiguous reads etc- optimize fs |
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| 18:39.12 | NbZ2 | jelly-home: What as then update grsecurity patch from website? Only patching kernel. |
| 18:39.27 | MrFrood | codepython7771: yes but what file system are you using... ext3, ext4, jfs, etc ? |
| 18:39.50 | codepython7771 | fsck ? ext4 |
| 18:40.02 | NbZ2 | jelly-home: Updates to be missed |
| 18:40.07 | NbZ2 | codepython7771: No ;) |
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| 18:40.31 | jelly-home | NbZ2: sorry, can you rephrase that? I don't understand. Do you have to track updates on your own? Yes. |
| 18:40.37 | codepython7771 | NbZ2: so i should not use fsck? |
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| 18:41.16 | NbZ2 | codepython7771: http://blog.smartlogicsolutions.com/2009/06/04/mount-options-to-improve-ext4-file-system-performance/ ;) |
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| 18:42.15 | jhutchins | codepython7771: ext filesystems don't need to be optimized like MS filesystems do. |
| 18:42.25 | jhutchins | codepython7771: They work differently. |
| 18:42.54 | codepython7771 | jhutchins: so if i want to force optimization at a given timepoint, i cant? |
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| 18:43.29 | NbZ2 | jelly-home: Patch form external source (no repository), uncomfortably update... |
| 18:43.46 | jhutchins | codepython7771: That's like forcing optimization on your peanut butter jar. |
| 18:43.46 | jelly-home | NbZ2: and still better than what's in Debian! |
| 18:43.47 | MrFrood | codepython7771: see the e2fsprogs package |
| 18:44.24 | NbZ2 | NbZ2: jelly-home Do not upgrade from repo, then 0day ... |
| 18:44.45 | jhutchins | codepython7771: THere are aspects that you can tune, but you don't need to optimize data order or defrag. |
| 18:44.52 | codepython7771 | jhutchins: my peanut butter jars dont have pointers :) |
| 18:45.14 | codepython7771 | and i dont keep adding/deleteing things to the jar :) |
| 18:45.15 | jhutchins | codepython7771: ext filesystems don't have Microsoft problems. |
| 18:45.25 | NbZ2 | jelly-home: Do not upgrade from repo, then 0day ... |
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| 18:45.36 | jelly-home | NbZ2: you do realize grsec stops or makes harder for the majority of privilege elevation holes to work |
| 18:46.17 | codepython7771 | jhutchins: HTrees should be optimizable at a given time? |
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| 18:47.40 | C00re | question.. restarting the network, how is it done these days, i got a message /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated and then i had to restart the computer :P |
| 18:47.44 | jhutchins | codepython7771: http://linuxtutorial.info/modules.php?name=MContent&pageid=272 http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-anatomy-ext4/ |
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| 18:48.24 | jhutchins | C00re: If you use something like network-manager to handle interfaces, stopping/starting/restarting /etc/init.d/network will not reset those interfaces. |
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| 18:48.40 | NbZ2 | jelly-home: Grsec has bugs , and remote exploit, check & search source code ;) |
| 18:48.46 | jhutchins | C00re: If you have a conventional manual interfaces configuration it should be fine. |
| 18:49.10 | NbZ2 | NbZ2: Look buglist |
| 18:49.22 | jelly-home | NbZ2: everything has bugs. The authors of this patchset just account for certain classes of bugs. |
| 18:49.40 | C00re | a router and a dhcp and started a fresh installed debian |
| 18:49.50 | C00re | thats everything i did :D |
| 18:50.53 | NbZ2 | jelly-home: Of course... |
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| 18:52.53 | NbZ2 | Download kernel source form kernel.org, check signature, not valid. Control sums ok |
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| 18:54.20 | NbZ2 | Compile it? |
| 18:55.14 | bofh_omega | no |
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| 18:56.16 | jelly-home | NbZ2: the signature is for .tar, not .tar.xz |
| 18:56.35 | NbZ2 | jelly-home: Signature GnuPG ;) |
| 18:56.41 | jelly-home | xzcat linux-3.2.50.tar.xz > linux-3.2.50.tar && gpg linux-3.2.50.tar.sign |
| 18:56.51 | jelly-home | NbZ2: yes |
| 18:56.55 | NbZ2 | jelly-home: *.sig ;) |
| 18:57.01 | jelly-home | NbZ2: yes |
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| 18:57.53 | NbZ2 | Agin attack at kernel.org? |
| 18:58.26 | NbZ2 | Again attack at kernel.org? |
| 18:58.28 | jelly-home | NbZ2: you're not checking the signature for the right thing. |
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| 18:59.19 | jelly-home | NbZ2: the signature is for .tar, so you have to uncompress .tar.xz to .tar, and THEN check the signature |
| 18:59.42 | jelly-home | (which is what the command above does) |
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| 19:01.02 | NbZ2 | jelly-home: Ech... Public key download form keyservers... https://www.kernel.org/category/signatures.html |
| 19:01.42 | NbZ2 | Signature unpacked whitch tar |
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| 19:03.28 | NbZ2 | Bye... |
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| 19:06.02 | handuel | Can anyone reccomend a gtk2 image viewer, which can import pictures from a camera? |
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| 19:07.12 | Sark | why would the image viewer need to import the pictures? You can just mount the camera and copy the pictures over. |
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| 19:08.49 | jhutchins | Sark: Some viewers include collection & metadata managers that need to "import" new items. Easier to do it directly from the camera than copy to a folder, then import from folder. |
| 19:09.23 | jhutchins | Speaking of which, does anybody know of a video collection manager? |
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| 19:10.20 | handuel | Sark: I could but it sticks them into loads of wierd folders and gives them annoying names. Image viewers I've used before are able to copy the correct things across and name them based on date |
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| 19:11.36 | handuel | I'll take a look a rapid photo downloader, just found it in a linux format magazine from a few weeks ago |
| 19:12.10 | handuel | It's gtk3 :( (more bulk to the system) but it looks good |
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| 19:14.07 | jla | :-) |
| 19:14.18 | jla | hello, |
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| 19:15.01 | jla | (eternal) newbie here... unable to connect to X server as standard user but with root |
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| 19:15.11 | jla | any hints ? Thanks beforehand |
| 19:15.28 | clusty | hey |
| 19:15.34 | clusty | last upgrade hung so i had to close the console. now every time i run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" as suggested it still hangs at "Setting up apache2-mpm-worker " |
| 19:15.51 | jla | (topic dettail in forum http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=106898#p510141 ) |
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| 19:16.03 | clusty | i also hang when trying to remove mpm-worker. any idea how I can proceed ? |
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| 19:16.59 | judd | Package: wine-bin on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; jessie: 1.4.1-4; sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
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| 19:17.18 | judd | Package: wine-bin on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; jessie: 1.4.1-4; sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
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| 19:18.13 | reavengrey | ,v wine |
| 19:18.14 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; jessie: 1.4.1-4; sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
| 19:18.27 | reavengrey | Debian r u serial |
| 19:18.30 | reavengrey | :| |
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| 19:20.53 | jhutchins | clusty: I'd start with a disk-check, then aptitude clean; aptitude -f install. |
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| 19:23.15 | nonconvergent | ...whoops |
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| 19:26.55 | abrotman | reavengrey: please msg the bot or use packages.debian.org |
| 19:27.35 | b3hnam | I want to apt-get update but I have these error http://dpaste.com/1360071/ |
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| 19:27.51 | b3hnam | I use debian Arm on raspberry |
| 19:28.10 | abrotman | are you using Debian or raspbian ? |
| 19:28.25 | abrotman | b3hnam: please ask #raspbian |
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| 19:29.23 | JasonWoof | what? ncftp doesn't support TLS, and neither does ftp? what's a commandline ftp client I can use to test my server? |
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| 19:29.36 | JasonWoof | s/commandline/text mode/ |
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| 19:32.37 | abrotman | curl ? |
| 19:33.03 | zykotick9 | JasonWoof: not sure it has want you want, but have a look at gftp-text feature list. |
| 19:33.08 | Devastator | is there a git with ssl support in debian? |
| 19:36.15 | TheWarden | I'm trying to re-install Bugzilla but this time instead of on Squeeze it would be on Wheezy. I run /usr/bin/perl install-module.pl --all and I get the following error, "ERROR: Using install-module.pl requires that you install "make"". |
| 19:36.21 | TheWarden | Make is already installed, how do I fix this? |
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| 19:37.54 | brilliant__ | JasonWoof: i only know ftp, but if it supports tls, dont know |
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| 19:38.04 | ompaul | Devastator: maybe it should be does git support ssl and http://gitstack.com/git-and-https-ssl/ oh look what the internet has :) |
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| 19:38.51 | ompaul | JasonWoof: you want secure ftp sftp part of the whole openssh-server install sshd etc |
| 19:39.14 | JasonWoof | I want ftp+tls |
| 19:39.19 | JasonWoof | not ssh+ftp |
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| 19:39.32 | JasonWoof | seems this is not as well supported as I thought |
| 19:39.35 | ompaul | JasonWoof: good look with the hunt |
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| 19:39.48 | ompaul | JasonWoof: I don't know such a beast do let us know if you find one |
| 19:40.27 | ompaul | JasonWoof: but there you go http://httpd.apache.org/mod_ftp/ftp/ftp_tls.html |
| 19:40.45 | JasonWoof | is ftp+tls new? or is there little agreement about it? |
| 19:40.54 | yeenoghu | why would you want ftp/tls over sftp? |
| 19:41.00 | yeenoghu | just curious :) |
| 19:41.19 | Rackmount | JasonWoof: FTPS is a headache. SFTP is so much easier to deal with. |
| 19:41.45 | Devastator | ompaul I asked because there is a bugreport opened, I just want to send a patch to my gmail drafts folder :( |
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| 19:41.52 | yeenoghu | you'll need specialized clients for ftps and sftp ones are pretty common in comparison |
| 19:41.59 | JasonWoof | rfc for FTP+TLS is dated 2005 |
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| 19:42.37 | jhutchins | JasonWoof: Be careful about casting aspersions on things because they're old. If they still do the job who cares? |
| 19:43.10 | JasonWoof | weird. I was just reading that with pop/imap, the consensus was that TLS was the way to go |
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| 19:43.39 | JasonWoof | jhutchins: when did I say anything about old things? |
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| 19:43.51 | yeenoghu | tls over pop/imap rather than the foo-s clients yes |
| 19:43.51 | eptalon | heyas |
| 19:44.01 | yeenoghu | protocols* |
| 19:44.13 | JasonWoof | jhutchins: I noted the RFC date, because I thought that 2005 was long enough ago to be fairly well supported by modern software |
| 19:44.16 | eptalon | is there any difference between LibreOffice and OpenOffice? |
| 19:45.01 | JasonWoof | eptalon: OpenOffice is made by oracle, who ran off with the trademark. LibreOffice is made by the awesome community that built OpenOffice in the first place |
| 19:45.03 | jhutchins | eptalon: Same base code, different development team. The libreoffice team includs many former openoffice people. |
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| 19:46.08 | JasonWoof | I got the impression that sftp required different client software, and different server software |
| 19:46.11 | eptalon | so suppose i install it on windows where I have the choice of both, which one to take? |
| 19:46.19 | Devastator | damn license issues! |
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| 19:46.29 | JasonWoof | whereas tls seemed like a feature that clients would have, and it would auto-detect that it can go secure when the server supports it |
| 19:46.33 | JasonWoof | my ftp server has tls support |
| 19:46.43 | eptalon | JasonWoof: sftp or ftp/ssl (also knows as ftps)? |
| 19:46.45 | JasonWoof | eptalon: libreoffice |
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| 19:47.14 | eptalon | JasonWoof: sftp is dfifferent from ftps |
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| 19:47.19 | JasonWoof | eptalon: I'm speaking about sftp (ssh+ftp) vs ftp+tls |
| 19:47.35 | JasonWoof | I guess ftp+tls is called ftps |
| 19:47.42 | abrotman | etpyes, there's a difference between the suites |
| 19:47.51 | abrotman | JasonWoof: yes |
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| 19:48.16 | JasonWoof | I'm getting the impression here that sftp is better supported by clients |
| 19:48.28 | abrotman | yes, and probably better overall |
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| 19:48.55 | eptalon | JasonWoof: ftp, with some kind of transport layer security is easier to support than the other which is a whole new protocol |
| 19:49.06 | codepython7771 | how do i extend my storage to use up my hard drive: http://imgur.com/MsGB3S3 |
| 19:49.25 | codepython7771 | If I remove linux-swap, wont i get in trouble? |
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| 19:49.39 | abrotman | you can have a swap file |
| 19:49.42 | ompaul | JasonWoof: sftp cli 2 seconds after you worked out that you installed ssh on the server :) |
| 19:49.55 | abrotman | you don't need a separate swap partition |
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| 19:50.00 | abrotman | k/win 1 |
| 19:50.02 | codepython7771 | abrotman: if i delete that swap - will my machine boot? |
| 19:50.10 | jordilopezamat__ | hello #debian |
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| 19:51.05 | yeenoghu | codepython7771: your machine will boot without swap, but may enounter issues when running out of memory |
| 19:51.06 | abrotman | codepython7771: suonds like you're about to find out |
| 19:51.07 | drhouse123 | hello jordilopezamat__ |
| 19:51.17 | ompaul | codepython7771: if you choose to do that and you run a process that consumes all your ram your machine will be very hard to handle if it is not powerful you will feel the pain in a unique and interesting way |
| 19:51.35 | eptalon | codepython7771: 1) you don't need a separate swap partition; if you want to be able to "resize" partitions you should probably use something like lvm |
| 19:51.44 | codepython7771 | k how do i tell it to swap using a file instead of /dev/sda? |
| 19:52.03 | ompaul | codepython7771: to see if you can live without it first start with swapoff as root |
| 19:52.05 | eptalon | codepython7771: linux doesn't support "swap files" |
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| 19:52.46 | linu | Jessie becoming -stable is probably about ~3 or so years away right ? I guess not that there would be any plan for a while |
| 19:53.00 | musca | !swap file |
| 19:53.00 | dpkg | from memory, swap file is an area of your hard drive that the computer uses for RAM. Although slower, it is usually much more abundant., but see man mkswap && man swapon |
| 19:53.41 | eptalon | musca: what I said. |
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| 19:54.02 | codepython7771 | for some reason, when i deleted my swap partitions, gparted does not let me resize my /dev/sda1 - any ideas? |
| 19:54.04 | eptalon | linu: debian supports rolling updates. |
| 19:54.24 | yeenoghu | couldn't you just use a loopback device, designate it swap and use that? |
| 19:54.37 | eptalon | codepython7771: what kind of filesystem, and do you have a hole now? |
| 19:54.45 | linu | eptalon: yeah so i could run -testing and just keep using that |
| 19:54.45 | codepython7771 | ext4 + unallocated |
| 19:54.45 | yeenoghu | not that it offers many benefits |
| 19:54.47 | ompaul | codepython7771: is it still in use also ... btw you need to remove it from your /etc/fstab |
| 19:55.08 | linu | eptalon: i did read the website, FAQ and security website regarding security patches for -testing |
| 19:55.21 | codepython7771 | ompaul: so i need to reboot gparted cD? |
| 19:55.22 | linu | eptalon: i guess i still need to learn more about it though |
| 19:55.32 | codepython7771 | ompaul: why is it in use ? I've booted from gparted iso |
| 19:55.32 | musca | eptalon: description: mkswap sets up a Linux swap area on a device or in a file. |
| 19:55.39 | eptalon | linu: i run "unstable" just fine. |
| 19:55.44 | abrotman | codepython7771: use a swap file .. what's the problem ? |
| 19:55.50 | abrotman | linu: more like two-ish |
| 19:56.00 | abrotman | linu: that's what the general idea usually is |
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| 19:56.14 | linu | eptalon: im sure running sid works all good, i would just have to read more about it :) |
| 19:56.26 | eptalon | linu: then please do. |
| 19:56.27 | abrotman | linu: of course, things may happen, arguments happen, could be five years :) |
| 19:56.28 | linu | abrotman: ahh thanks so approx ~2 is about the general idea now thanks :) |
| 19:56.39 | linu | lol yes abrotman people could change their minds :) |
| 19:56.42 | yeenoghu | oh right, not even a need for a loopback device |
| 19:56.54 | abrotman | linu: be aware there is no security support for testing or unstable |
| 19:56.55 | ompaul | codepython7771: one considers your live CD would mount a partition marked swap, and get on with the job but given it's a gparted cd and I don't know the o/s I won't claim anything else I thought you were running a debian install |
| 19:57.18 | jordilopezamat__ | hello #debian'ers |
| 19:57.23 | codepython7771 | I'm running a gparted on an older debian install (wheezy) |
| 19:57.47 | codepython7771 | I'm trying to extend my rootfs to 2TB from 8GB |
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| 19:57.58 | linu | abrotman: yeah thats what i saw in the policy statements on the website regarding testing and unstable, which wasnt what i had in mind really for running |
| 19:58.06 | eptalon | codepython7771: did you grow the filesystem tooß |
| 19:58.06 | codepython7771 | but gparted wont let me resize for some reason |
| 19:58.15 | jhutchins | codepython7771: Safest, quickest way: backup, repartition, restore. |
| 19:58.38 | eptalon | when you do, use something like lvm. |
| 19:58.49 | codepython7771 | I want to resize ext4 please? |
| 19:59.10 | jhutchins | eptalon: We just solved a major problem by removing lvm from six servers. |
| 19:59.25 | linu | abrotman: -stable is pretty amazing, with well tested robust software, and can have apt for security patches |
| 19:59.46 | eptalon | jhutchins: what problem? |
| 19:59.47 | jhutchins | Systems would not boot reliably, kernel panicked or reported that devices were busy when checking filesystems at boot. |
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| 20:00.23 | jordilopezamat__ | Hi, I know it is probably a stupuid one ... but i'm stucked on this 'unable to connect to X server as standard user but with root' |
| 20:00.25 | eptalon | jhutchins: I have here (raid1)-root, 1 disk; raid5 for the rest. |
| 20:00.30 | jhutchins | eptalon: In my experience, it's easier to use resizee2fs than have to resize LVM as well. |
| 20:01.00 | jordilopezamat__ | (longer description on topic here : http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=106898 ) thanks beforehand ! |
| 20:01.08 | jhutchins | eptalon: Yep, 3 disk raid5 w/hotspare, Dell 720's. |
| 20:01.10 | musca | jordilopezamat__: don't start your apps as root. |
| 20:01.24 | jordilopezamat__ | yes, i know... |
| 20:01.41 | eptalon | jhutchins: ext4 on boot volume, all the others are xfs. |
| 20:01.50 | jhutchins | jordilopezamat__: Sorry, unable to parse " |
| 20:01.53 | codepython7771 | ok - i can boot into my system. Its ext4 - how do i make the FS Larger? |
| 20:01.54 | jhutchins | as standard user but with root" |
| 20:02.00 | codepython7771 | and make the swap in a file? |
| 20:02.10 | jhutchins | codepython7771: Safest, quickest way: backup, repartition, restore. |
| 20:02.12 | jordilopezamat__ | musca ... but something went wrong... and i cannot launch Xfce with my regular user ... any other hint ? |
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| 20:02.18 | eptalon | codepython7771: swap in a file is a bad idea. |
| 20:02.24 | jhutchins | codepython7771: Works every time. |
| 20:02.50 | handuel | In ubuntu when I typed an uknown command from a known repo, bash would tell me which repo it came from. Can I get the same behaviour in debian? |
| 20:03.39 | musca | jordilopezamat__: is your disk full? check it with df -h |
| 20:03.42 | eptalon | handuel: apt-file, if it is a file, and no, its not automagic. |
| 20:03.53 | codepython7771 | jhutchins: I need to be able to resize |
| 20:03.59 | handuel | eptalon: OK thankyou |
| 20:04.08 | jordilopezamat__ | yep... that could be ! musca |
| 20:04.13 | jordilopezamat__ | thanks... |
| 20:04.19 | Sevet | handuel: command-not-found |
| 20:04.29 | Sevet | that's the package you're looking for |
| 20:04.38 | codepython7771 | why wont gparted let me resize my root partition (ext4)? |
| 20:04.42 | Sevet | apt-file is a search tool, command-not-found will suggest it at the prompt |
| 20:04.50 | handuel | Sevet: Oh ok. So not apt-file |
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| 20:05.35 | Sevet | both are good, it's just how you want to find the package |
| 20:05.44 | yeenoghu | that was useful, although opposite |
| 20:06.11 | handuel | Sevet: Ah I understand now (sorry) I missed your second to last scentence somehow. I was looking for command not found |
| 20:06.16 | yeenoghu | I've been annoyed with that suggestion on the prompt on some work ubuntu machines |
| 20:06.29 | handuel | Although I might get apt-file as well as that sounds usefull |
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| 20:08.25 | handuel | Sevet: eptalon: thankyou very much for your help |
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| 20:15.09 | JasonWoof | ahh, apt-get install ftp-ssl |
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| 20:20.01 | CuteAlien | Hi. I've once more been too trusty following some website advice and messed up my debian stable. What I wanted to do was to check the subversion in unstable. So I modified /etc/apt/preferences like this: http://ideone.com/85tdZP and added unstable to my sources.list like this: http://ideone.com/QFzzDt and then installed subversion with apt-get -t unstable install subversion. |
| 20:20.05 | CuteAlien | at which point the trouble started |
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| 20:20.38 | CuteAlien | I got the new svn, but also a new c-lib for example. My hope was it would install in parallel and not cause further problems. |
| 20:20.59 | CuteAlien | But on my next apt-get upgrade -s I got: http://ideone.com/mobmd7 |
| 20:21.10 | CuteAlien | meaning - suddenly it wants to update all kind of software to unstable. |
| 20:21.17 | CuteAlien | I removed subversion again - but no help |
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| 20:21.38 | jhutchins | !partial downgrade |
| 20:21.38 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
| 20:21.57 | jhutchins | !tell CuteAlien about ssb |
| 20:22.20 | CuteAlien | ehm - using aptitude now as well would only cause further problems (I'm on apt) |
| 20:22.31 | somiaj | CuteAlien: you will have to manually downgrade all of the packages which are unstables version (such as libc6 and the dependecies of subversion). with aptitude search you can identify which packages need downgraded |
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| 20:22.49 | CuteAlien | I see. Thanks. |
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| 20:26.49 | Vasistha | My laptop has been overheating, and I would like to set the fan to always on max. I believe I need to reload the thinkpad_acpi module, with fan_control=1, however it is in use. Do I need to reboot in order to reload it? |
| 20:26.59 | jhutchins | CuteAlien: aptitude will not cause any problems, they use the same libraries. The interactive menu in aptitude is a lot easier to use to find packages. |
| 20:27.13 | CuteAlien | aptitude uses the same libs, but I think not the same database |
| 20:27.21 | jhutchins | CuteAlien: Yes, same database |
| 20:27.28 | CuteAlien | hm, wiki said otherwise |
| 20:27.38 | jhutchins | Sigh. |
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| 20:27.52 | Vasistha | then that wiki is wrong. |
| 20:27.52 | CuteAlien | sorry, not trying that now until I have to. Read several warnings about mixing those already. |
| 20:27.55 | somiaj | CuteAlien: dpkg is the actual database, apt-get and aptitude both are front ends to dpkg |
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| 20:28.09 | CuteAlien | You are probably right, but I got into this mess because I was too trusty... |
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| 20:28.23 | jhutchins | Warnings about mixing apt-get and aptitude. |
| 20:28.29 | jhutchins | That's even better than RH FUD. |
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| 20:28.41 | somiaj | CuteAlien: there is no problem mixing dpkg/apt-get and aptitidue. Synamptic seems to mess with things I have heard. |
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| 20:29.41 | jhutchins | Worst synaptic does is, like all GUI package managers seem to, it trips over it'self because it's too big. |
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| 20:30.02 | jhutchins | That or it's the wrapper-within-a-wrapper thing. |
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| 20:30.33 | CuteAlien | I see wikipedia this days says those problems are a thing of the past |
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| 20:32.31 | Vasistha | so... is it possible to reload a module and add an option, without having to remove it? |
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| 20:33.18 | CuteAlien | heh, wiki entry on aptitude was just changed last month to replace the old warning :-) |
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| 20:34.12 | somiaj | still seems odd, aptitude and apt-get have always been front ends to dpkg with different logic. At times one may work better in some situations than the other. |
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| 20:35.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, I got no response from the www mailing list on the verifiable signatures issue. Looks like there's no bug filed either, I'll probably file one. |
| 20:35.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | I find it hard to believe I'm the first one to want to checksum a CD image correctly. |
| 20:36.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | (I sent that mail Sunday or so) |
| 20:36.27 | linu | whats the issue Eduard_Munteanu |
| 20:36.29 | linu | or link to the email ? |
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| 20:37.23 | SionENgine | Hi |
| 20:37.45 | SionENgine | I install Debian on my computer :) |
| 20:37.49 | linu | good |
| 20:37.54 | SionENgine | thanks |
| 20:38.11 | SionENgine | (instead of Ubuntu version Prism) |
| 20:38.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | linu: hm, can't find the message on the list archive. The idea is there seems no way to verify checksums for downloads, the chain of trust is broken. |
| 20:38.45 | linu | Eduard_Munteanu: which think are you wanting to verify? |
| 20:39.26 | SionENgine | and i want to change languages...( i'm in KDE), i go in Setting, but in Counrty/Region & Language, there isn't Language LIst... |
| 20:39.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | linu: a CD image. They provide checksums for it, signed with the CD signing key. But the CD signing key doesn't seem signed by the archive keys directly, which are the only thing provided over https. |
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| 20:39.53 | linu | Eduard_Munteanu: i think it might be in debian role keys |
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| 20:40.14 | linu | Eduard_Munteanu: which file exactly is it |
| 20:40.18 | linu | that you want to verify |
| 20:40.30 | SionENgine | in Available Languages Liste: i've got only : American English.. |
| 20:40.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | linu: debian-7.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 20:41.06 | linu | im pretty sure they are signing those with "debian role keys" these days Eduard_Munteanu |
| 20:41.14 | linu | e.g. the release role |
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| 20:41.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | linu: hm, where do I get those? |
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| 20:41.50 | linu | i believe there is a .deb with them |
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| 20:41.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html only provides archive keys |
| 20:42.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | linu: oh, somebody mentioned it might... but really, is there no way to get them without unpacking a deb? |
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| 20:42.44 | Eduard_Munteanu | What do non-Debian users do? :/ |
| 20:43.09 | jhutchins | Eduard_Munteanu: http://www.debian.org/CD/verify |
| 20:43.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | jhutchins: I read that page, of course. But what about it? |
| 20:43.58 | magnulu | hello.. can I install ffmpeg 2.01 on squeeze amd64? or do I have to build from source? is it possible at all? |
| 20:44.26 | linu | um |
| 20:44.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | jhutchins: it also seems to encourage verifying stuff the wrong way |
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| 20:44.46 | jhutchins | Eduard_Munteanu: What part of it do you not understand? |
| 20:44.49 | linu | if you want to establish a root of trust from a commercial CA signed SSL website im not sure which key you can start with |
| 20:45.13 | jhutchins | linu: Have a look at the page above. |
| 20:45.22 | jhutchins | ,versions ffmpeg |
| 20:45.23 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on i386 -- squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.7.15-dmo1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.6-1; jessie: 6:0.8.7-1; sid: 6:0.8.8-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.7-dmo2; jessie-multimedia: 9:1.2.2-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 9:1.2.3-dmo1 |
| 20:45.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | jhutchins: the idea one should grab keys from public keyservers or fingerprints over plain http... I might as well not check it. |
| 20:45.39 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: i told you to file a bug already, have you done htat? |
| 20:45.41 | abrotman | that |
| 20:45.49 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: whining here won't get you anywhere |
| 20:46.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: I'm going to, I sent a message to the ML. |
| 20:46.24 | jhutchins | Eduard_Munteanu: Thousands of people use this system. |
| 20:46.32 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: those are the folks you should be discussing this with .. not people in this channel |
| 20:46.35 | linu | jhulst: yeah but he wants to get something via commercial SSL "authority" in the beginning |
| 20:46.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | can't find his mail on the archives though |
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| 20:47.00 | jhutchins | Eduard_Munteanu: Besides, I don't think that gpg uses clear http to talk to keyservers. |
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| 20:47.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | jhutchins: thousands of users do it wrong. I'm sure it works, but that's besides the point. |
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| 20:47.44 | jhutchins | Eduard_Munteanu: This system has been proven safe and effective. Your objections are unproven and imaginary. |
| 20:47.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | jhutchins: I think it does, it was never designed to check keys |
| 20:48.14 | linu | well i guess fly over and meet all the debian developers, check their passports, get a copy of their public keys on cdrom etc |
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| 20:48.15 | abrotman | jhutchins: feel free to use /ignore |
| 20:48.25 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: please discuss this in the right place, this isn't it |
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| 20:48.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: I suppose there are no admins in this channel? |
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| 20:48.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ok. |
| 20:48.50 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: not those types of admins, the mailing list is a better place |
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| 20:49.11 | magnulu | jhutchins: cannot see any packages for amd64 there? anyway, as far as I can tell from the repositories, only sub-1-versions are available.. was wondering if there existed a custom deb or if anyone got any thoughts on wether or not it would be possible to build it from source.. |
| 20:49.20 | magnulu | I am a noob, yes! |
| 20:49.24 | ompaul | Eduard_Munteanu: (A) wrong network (B) tech support channel not bug fixing (C) read bugs.debian.org |
| 20:49.40 | jhutchins | !uupdate |
| 20:49.41 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>. |
| 20:49.57 | abrotman | dpkg: tell jhutchins about bottell |
| 20:50.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | ompaul: I did search for a bug on that, it seems there's none filed on that issue |
| 20:50.18 | jhutchins | magnulu: ^ - you can always build from source, but there are dependency hells. |
| 20:50.19 | ompaul | Eduard_Munteanu: feel free to submit a patch |
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| 20:50.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | ompaul: to the website? |
| 20:50.45 | magnulu | jhutchins: that was my fear as well.. |
| 20:50.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'll do so if that's possible. |
| 20:50.56 | ompaul | Eduard_Munteanu: if you believe that's what it takes, and do so to bugs.debian.org |
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| 20:51.37 | Devastator | ok, I've updated wheezy, but still, git imap-send complains about SSL.. this is the bugreport I saw with similar issue: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=572521 |
| 20:51.44 | ompaul | Eduard_Munteanu: be aware that in doing so, reports with fixes or how to for fixes will get more attention |
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| 20:52.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | ompaul: not sure I can just send a patch for ftp-master.debian.org. I did suggest a fix though. |
| 20:53.16 | abrotman | mailing list ... |
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| 20:54.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | Alright, debating it here probably won't help, I'll file a bug next and see if my mail hit the ML. |
| 20:54.06 | linu | they use the HKP protocol afaik |
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| 20:54.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | linu: keyservers aren't designed to be secure or even trustworthy AFAIK |
| 20:54.53 | linu | Eduard_Munteanu: i havent examined the protocol. but i dont currently think they are |
| 20:55.06 | CuteAlien | ok, I think I've downgraded again. What I get now with apt-show-versions | grep -i unstable is just a message about those 4: http://ideone.com/qpeQb0 |
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| 20:55.23 | CuteAlien | Not sure what that looked like before my experiments. So maybe already correct? |
| 20:55.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | It's designed to distribute keys, to actually check them you need to obtain fingerprints securely. |
| 20:55.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | (or infer trust from the web of trust) |
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| 20:56.00 | linu | yeah i havent examined the protocol Eduard_Munteanu but afaik they have a chicken and egg problem anyway |
| 20:56.16 | somiaj | CuteAlien: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html (use aptitude search ~Aunstable) or something like that |
| 20:56.26 | somiaj | CuteAlien: various ways you can identify which packges come from unstable. |
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| 20:57.18 | magnulu | jhutchins: to follow-up: there are static binaries available.. trying it out now :-) |
| 20:57.28 | linu | Eduard_Munteanu: afaik you will have to somehow verify the identity of the debian developers and project leaders, and fly and meet them all, verify identity e.g with passports etc and ask them nicely for copies of public keys |
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| 20:57.43 | linu | Eduard_Munteanu: and there are debian developer key signing parties too |
| 20:57.51 | somiaj | you said you get the keys over https, isn't the ssl key proof that you get the checksums and signing keys from a trusted source? |
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| 20:58.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | linu: I know. But that's not something most users would do. |
| 20:58.12 | CuteAlien | somiaj, I never used aptitude - so I don't know what the output means. I get lot's of "p" and some "i A". |
| 20:58.40 | linu | somiaj: well the root of trust via the typical end users web browser places that root of trust in the commercial CA "authorities" |
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| 20:58.48 | linu | somiaj: so no its not proof |
| 20:59.15 | linu | somiaj: i think he said he couldnt find any of the keys over ssl anyway |
| 20:59.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | I can't find my message on the list... is there some spam filtering? |
| 20:59.21 | somiaj | CuteAlien: p means purged (not installed), i A means installed as an automatic package (dependency to another package so you didn't request it to be installed) |
| 20:59.29 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 20:59.36 | linu | sorry, i will be quiet |
| 20:59.58 | Devastator | abrotman you don't happen to use git, do you? git imap-send, to be exact |
| 21:00.01 | abrotman | No, I'm just saying it's going on a bit long |
| 21:00.03 | CuteAlien | ok thanks |
| 21:00.12 | abrotman | Devastator: nope, sorry |
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| 21:02.14 | Devastator | abrotman thanks, if even the guys in #git doesn't know, then.. it's easier to just kill myself, I hate working with patches.. |
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| 21:03.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | Devastator: what seems to be the problem? |
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| 21:04.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | Devastator: FWIW you may find git send-email easier to use and SMTP is usually present. |
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| 21:06.49 | codepython777 | I've a machine which does not have swap. How can I let it swap using a file? |
| 21:07.05 | yehoshua | ciao |
| 21:07.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | codepython777: you just make a file and loop-mount it as swap |
| 21:07.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | codepython777: unless you're on a fs that doesn't support swapfiles, that is |
| 21:07.41 | codepython777 | Eduard_Munteanu: ext4 - what are the exact commands for this? |
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| 21:07.57 | yehoshua | carmine |
| 21:08.13 | dondelelcaro | codepython777: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-add-a-swap-file-howto/ |
| 21:08.15 | dondelelcaro | codepython777: for example |
| 21:08.21 | Devastator | Eduard_Munteanu I want to send it to myself before sending to the mailing list, and imap seems "easier", but everytime I fix one thing, I bump into another "bug" |
| 21:08.23 | codepython777 | thanks |
| 21:08.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | codepython777: you can use truncate to create the file, then run mkfs.ext4 on it, then mount -o loop |
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| 21:09.22 | jhutchins | !swap file |
| 21:09.22 | dpkg | it has been said that swap file is an area of your hard drive that the computer uses for RAM. Although slower, it is usually much more abundant., but see man mkswap && man swapon |
| 21:09.23 | yehoshua | carmine |
| 21:09.30 | yehoshua | ci sei |
| 21:09.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | yehoshua: please speak English |
| 21:09.59 | jhutchins | Eduard_Munteanu: Why would you make a swap file ext4? |
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| 21:10.08 | Eduard_Munteanu | Err. Brainoops. |
| 21:10.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | mkswap |
| 21:10.44 | yehoshua | do you recommend other Italian channels? |
| 21:10.49 | jhutchins | !it |
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| 21:10.50 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 21:11.30 | jhutchins | yehoshua: You're welcome here if you can manage english. They allow Americans, so the standards aren't too high. |
| 21:11.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | yehoshua: however if you do speak English there are many more users here |
| 21:11.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hehe. |
| 21:12.15 | TheWarden | I have the following for my Bugzilla in Apache HTTPD conf.d, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/690ffe710216863aa934 yet when I browse to it in my web browser I get "500 Internal Server Error". How can I fix this? |
| 21:12.28 | yehoshua | Where can I find the channel list |
| 21:12.32 | codepython777 | is this my swap entry in fstab: UUID=3c8340d2-8ec8-4e8d-b8ee-166190b91e89 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 21:12.41 | codepython777 | can i comment it and add : /swapfile1 swap swap defaults 0 0 ? |
| 21:13.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | yehoshua: /query alis and send a 'list' message |
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| 21:13.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | codepython777: you'll need 'loop' among the options |
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| 21:14.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | 4th field, that is |
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| 21:14.30 | jhutchins | Eduard_Munteanu: No, he won't. |
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| 21:14.53 | jhutchins | codepython777: Your syntax is correct, see https://wiki.debian.org/Swap for reference. |
| 21:15.01 | jhutchins | Eduard_Munteanu: You may want to read that as well. |
| 21:16.16 | jhutchins | codepython777: Oh, swap swap, not none swap. |
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| 21:24.06 | Polarina | How do I forcibly kill a process? Doing kill -9 on the process id, even as root, doesn't kill it. It seems to be stuck in a D state (which seems to be uninterruptible sleep). |
| 21:24.41 | jhutchins | Polarina: reboot. |
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| 21:24.52 | Polarina | Aww. :( |
| 21:25.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | dmesg may show errors about it |
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| 21:25.34 | timdau | its waitin ong disk, so clear what it is waiting on. |
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| 21:26.02 | jhutchins | Polarina: D is "Uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)" |
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| 21:26.45 | Polarina | dmesg has this to say: http://codepad.org/VFijcEVR |
| 21:26.48 | rruttur | سمَـَّوُوُحخ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ امارتيخ ̷̴̐خ |
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| 21:28.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | Polarina: looks like a real bug |
| 21:29.04 | timdau | Hardware issues? |
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| 21:29.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | Or that. :) |
| 21:30.00 | jhutchins | Polarina: WHat process was it? Looks like a network issue to me (possibly net hardware). |
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| 21:30.57 | Polarina | jhutchins, I was simply programming, ran my program and this happened. |
| 21:31.06 | jhutchins | Those "bug" calls are not very trustworthy. If we knew what was wrong, we could probably work around it. If 2+2 is consistently 5 then we code 2+2 = 4. |
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| 21:31.42 | jhutchins | Polarina: WHat is your program trying to do? |
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| 21:32.45 | jhutchins | Polarina: Trace it, find whatever I/O it hung on, wrap it in a timeout. |
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| 21:33.32 | Polarina | jhutchins, trying to exploit CVE-2013-4163 on my computer. :| |
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| 21:38.01 | jhutchins | Polarina: WHat kernel? |
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| 21:38.47 | Polarina | jhutchins, 3.2.46-1 x86_64 |
| 21:38.49 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 21:38.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.11-rc4-686-pae (3.11~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.7-1); jessie: 3.10-2-686-pae (3.10.7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.10-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.10.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.46-1+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.46-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
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| 21:39.50 | jhutchins | Polarina: Fixed in current backport. |
| 21:40.20 | jhutchins | Polarina: Not applicable to 3.2. |
| 21:40.38 | jhutchins | (Introduced in 3.5) |
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| 21:40.55 | newbie | hey |
| 21:40.57 | newbie | anyone here |
| 21:41.15 | jhutchins | Nope. |
| 21:41.25 | nonconvergent | If I want to modify PATH for a user, where do I do it? if I do it anywhere but .bashrc I get this: http://paste.debian.net/32012/ |
| 21:41.27 | jhutchins | 1353 imaginary friends. |
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| 21:42.07 | nonconvergent | And even in bashrc certain things don't seem to get their $PATH from there, specifically lightdm, xfce, and xmonad |
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| 21:42.36 | abrotman | nonconvergent: for one user, or all users? |
| 21:42.53 | jhutchins | nonconvergent: xfce doesn't generally run in a bash shell. |
| 21:42.56 | Guest20294 | is there any software in debian like hotshield? |
| 21:43.04 | abrotman | Guest20294: which does what? |
| 21:43.06 | jhutchins | Guest20294: WHich is what? |
| 21:43.31 | Guest20294 | hotshield is a windows program that lets you to enter some blocked web sit |
| 21:43.47 | abrotman | Guest20294: blocked how? |
| 21:44.02 | Guest20294 | forbidden? |
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| 21:44.44 | Guest20294 | forbidden web site, any forbidden web site |
| 21:44.45 | nonconvergent | abrotman: Single user machine, but specifcally I'm trying to expose some local directories to the rest of the system. |
| 21:44.52 | nonconvergent | Specifically ~/.cabal/bin |
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| 21:45.13 | abrotman | oh, a hidden cabal |
| 21:45.16 | jhutchins | nonconvergent: try "xorg environment variables" |
| 21:45.38 | abrotman | nonconvergent: you can alter /etc/environment I believe |
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| 21:46.00 | jhutchins | Guest20294: google doesn't seem to know about it. |
| 21:46.08 | jhutchins | Guest20294: Are you thinking of hotspot shield vpn? |
| 21:46.11 | abrotman | nonconvergent: or use .xsession may be another option |
| 21:46.17 | KjetilK | Guest20294, VPN's are a quite common thing |
| 21:46.27 | KjetilK | Guest20294, you might want to look into Tor |
| 21:46.40 | jhutchins | I think TOR does something like that as well. |
| 21:46.43 | nonconvergent | not hidden so much as local. I got annoyed with --global filling my /usr/local/ with stuff I didn't recognize. |
| 21:46.43 | jhutchins | Yep. |
| 21:47.18 | jhutchins | nonconvergent: That's a joke, son, a JOKE I say. |
| 21:47.53 | jhutchins | </foghorn leghorn> |
| 21:48.08 | KjetilK | Guest20294, https://www.torproject.org/ |
| 21:48.16 | KjetilK | there are packages for that in Debian |
| 21:48.33 | abrotman | wouldn't trust that hotspotshield with a single bit of data |
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| 21:48.59 | nonconvergent | oh |
| 21:49.02 | nonconvergent | I get it. |
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| 21:50.02 | jhutchins | Guest20294: Other than that VPN is easy to do in linux. There's a network-manager module, or you can hack it from the console. |
| 21:50.42 | jhutchins | abrotman: Well, windows. |
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| 21:52.41 | codepython777 | when shutdown is called, i want to run a command before shutdown, how can i do that? |
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| 21:53.01 | abrotman | codepython777: init scripts |
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| 21:53.08 | petemc | command && shutdown |
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| 21:53.15 | petemc | 1 time only |
| 21:53.17 | Laser2p0 | Get free hits to your website, project, game, forum or blog. join free all 100% free http://www.te4everyone.com/index.php?ref=31 |
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| 21:55.32 | codepython777 | is there a rc.shutdown on debian? |
| 21:55.47 | nonconvergent | abrotman: Don't have an /.xsession existing. |
| 21:55.54 | abrotman | so make one |
| 21:56.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | nonconvergent: check .xinitrc if you're using startx |
| 21:56.16 | nonconvergent | I am not. |
| 21:56.20 | nonconvergent | It's lightdm. |
| 21:56.27 | codepython777 | abrotman: how exactly can i run a script at shutdown. For startup, i'm putting it in /etc/rc.local |
| 21:56.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | codepython777: why, what for? You might want to make a proper service. |
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| 21:56.39 | abrotman | codepython777: google "how to create a Debian init script" good luck |
| 21:56.48 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: it's .xsession in Debian |
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| 21:57.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: I thought .xsession was for DMs and .xinitrc for startx. Are they linked to one another? |
| 21:57.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | *symlinked |
| 21:57.40 | codepython777 | Eduard_Munteanu: I'm running a script that runs a bunch of executables at startup and at reboot/shutdown has to run bunch of execs. How hard is it to definine this as a service? |
| 21:57.45 | abrotman | Eduard_Munteanu: .xsession works for both, .xinitrc does not |
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| 21:57.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | Oh, hm. |
| 21:57.58 | abrotman | codepython777: google and find out .. don't expect Eduard_Munteanu to spoonfeed you |
| 21:58.18 | codepython777 | it seems its non-trivial to do this - convert things to service. |
| 21:58.20 | abrotman | codepython777: you really need to learn how to do a little research yourself |
| 21:58.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | It's reasonable in my experience. |
| 21:58.27 | codepython777 | I tried supervisord - but that turned out to be trouble |
| 21:58.28 | abrotman | codepython777: this is getting old |
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| 21:59.33 | codepython777 | Its fine. Thanks. |
| 21:59.45 | abrotman | no, it's not |
| 22:00.31 | jhutchins | !sag |
| 22:00.31 | dpkg | somebody said sag was The Linux System Administrator's Guide see http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/, or say, in german. |
| 22:01.04 | jhutchins | codepython777: Worth scanning and having handy. |
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| 22:02.00 | Andrew12321 | Hey I'm having trouble with curling a page. I get error:140773E8:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:reason(1000) |
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| 22:02.32 | jhutchins | Andrew12321: Does it work in a browser? In wget? |
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| 22:02.32 | Andrew12321 | yes |
| 22:02.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | Perhaps curl looks for certs somewhere else? |
| 22:02.49 | Andrew12321 | No in wget |
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| 22:03.16 | Andrew12321 | wget will give GnuTLS: A TLS fatal alert has been received. |
| 22:04.00 | abrotman | can you share the URL? |
| 22:04.00 | jhutchins | Andrew12321: sounds like server malconfig. Can't tell you more without the URL |
| 22:04.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | Andrew12321: does the target domain have a proper certificate? |
| 22:04.12 | Andrew12321 | can I PM? |
| 22:04.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | Andrew12321: as far as I'm concerned yes |
| 22:04.36 | Andrew12321 | Eduard_Munteanu, yes it seems to its verified by Thawte, I thought of the -k for insecure |
| 22:04.43 | abrotman | Andrew12321: is it really a hidden website? but yes |
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| 22:05.15 | Andrew12321 | No its not hidden but I don't want the whole chan hitting it either |
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| 22:05.27 | nonconvergent | abrotman: .xsession or .Xsession? |
| 22:05.31 | abrotman | Andrew12321: it'd be three people probably, or obscure it a bit so bots won't pick it up |
| 22:05.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | nonconvergent: .xsession |
| 22:05.39 | abrotman | nonconvergent: I said what I meant |
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| 22:06.55 | Andrew12321 | Appreciate the help btw |
| 22:07.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | Andrew12321: https seems to be working but I get some sort of error page |
| 22:07.26 | Andrew12321 | I get the error I pasted above running that command |
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| 22:07.40 | Andrew12321 | I'm on testing not stable btw |
| 22:08.06 | Andrew12321 | But I've got the same thing with 13.04 using ubuntu and arch linux |
| 22:08.32 | Andrew12321 | If I use 12.04 ubuntu or I'm sure stable debian it seems to give the page your getting |
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| 22:11.56 | abrotman | it seems like the cert is broken somehow? |
| 22:12.10 | abrotman | wait, hrm |
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| 22:12.18 | Andrew12321 | heh |
| 22:12.22 | nonconvergent | abrotman: Well I tried it your way. |
| 22:12.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | abrotman: Firefox doesn't complain here |
| 22:12.40 | nonconvergent | lightdm couldn't login. |
| 22:12.55 | Andrew12321 | thats the thing I even tried passing the cacert to curl in case that was it |
| 22:13.33 | abrotman | nonconvergent: couldn't login? |
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| 22:14.12 | nonconvergent | logged in through lightdm and apparently it never loads/can't load the DE, and loops back around to lightdm |
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| 22:14.41 | ohn | so where is the party at? |
| 22:14.46 | nonconvergent | I don't think .xsession takes bash naively. |
| 22:15.24 | abrotman | Andrew12321: add a -3 |
| 22:15.51 | Andrew12321 | abrotman, when I do that I get the empty reply |
| 22:16.12 | Andrew12321 | My assumption is it never finishes the handshake and the server just drops the connection |
| 22:16.13 | abrotman | Andrew12321: what should you get? seems like it's an HTTP redirect? |
| 22:16.20 | somiaj | nonconvergent: you could put a copy of your .xsession at paste.debian.net |
| 22:16.22 | abrotman | Andrew12321: http://curl.haxx.se/mail/archive-2010-03/0069.html |
| 22:16.32 | Andrew12321 | abrotman, you should get the same page Eduard_Munteanu was talking about |
| 22:17.05 | nonconvergent | somiaj: Just one line. export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/.cabal/bin |
| 22:17.06 | abrotman | Andrew12321: the VPN timeout page? |
| 22:17.28 | somiaj | nonconvergent: why do you want that in your .xsession file, seems like a strange place to put a PATH change. |
| 22:17.34 | somiaj | nonconvergent: .bashrc is probabaly what you want for that |
| 22:17.36 | Andrew12321 | No its a generic page that says: You have reached this page for one of the following reasons: blah blah blah |
| 22:17.41 | nonconvergent | somiaj: Blame abrotman |
| 22:17.57 | somiaj | nonconvergent: I'm sure you missunderstood abrotman as he really knows his stuff. |
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| 22:18.07 | Andrew12321 | It's alright I'm throughly convinced this is a bug in the testing which is why I see the same in ubuntu |
| 22:18.07 | ohn | what are the major differences with Debian from someone transferring from Ubuntu |
| 22:18.14 | Andrew12321 | fedora has zero issues |
| 22:18.18 | abrotman | ohn: let's behind the scenes magic |
| 22:18.33 | Andrew12321 | Just frustrating to not be able to curl on my machine |
| 22:18.40 | abrotman | somiaj: he wants it to impact his Xorg session I believe |
| 22:18.52 | tuxy | what is the suggested size for a /usr partition? |
| 22:19.06 | somiaj | ohn: philosophy, what it means to be 'stable', but to the end user it is mostly the versions of software availiable |
| 22:19.12 | nonconvergent | I just want add that local path so that my DM, DE, and WM see it. |
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| 22:19.22 | abrotman | Andrew12321: it seems like a SSL incompatibility, that link I pasted talks about some guy's testing and how he had issues with what you're describing |
| 22:19.25 | jhutchins | tuxy: If you have to ask, use a single partition + swap. |
| 22:19.41 | Andrew12321 | thanks |
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| 22:19.52 | Andrew12321 | Im sure its a bug that will get fixed |
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| 22:20.03 | ohn | how's the user support, i notice that the most popular distributions tend to be ordered with the most user friendly support for the average person |
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| 22:20.25 | abrotman | Andrew12321: you may want to file a bug in the Debian BTS so it gets tracked |
| 22:20.33 | jhutchins | ohn: We think it's pretty good, but this is pretty much it, fellow users helping each other. |
| 22:20.33 | abrotman | ordered with ? |
| 22:20.40 | tuxy | jhutchins, I just dont have an idea. I thought maybe around 5GB for a server? |
| 22:20.49 | abrotman | tuxy: it depends what the server will do |
| 22:20.51 | jhutchins | tuxy: If you have to ask, use a single partition + swap. |
| 22:20.52 | Andrew12321 | abrotman, not sure I'm savy enough and I wouldn't want to provide them with that url to test against |
| 22:21.16 | abrotman | Andrew12321: up to you |
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| 22:21.24 | jhutchins | tuxy: Once you've run the server for a while and know where you need space you'll have a better answer, but the single partition is a better idea anyway. |
| 22:21.35 | tuxy | hmm |
| 22:21.37 | Andrew12321 | thanks your time |
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| 22:21.45 | tuxy | jhutchins, but that would also include /hom |
| 22:21.46 | tuxy | e |
| 22:21.53 | tuxy | which I dont want to set on my primary HDD |
| 22:22.06 | somiaj | nonconvergent: you need to tell your .xsession which de/wm to launch |
| 22:22.24 | somiaj | nonconvergent: so besides the path line you should have a line after that 'exec /path/to/de/launcher' |
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| 22:23.12 | somiaj | ohn: we are constantlly redirecting ubuntu users out of this channel because debian in many experience has a better support comunity |
| 22:26.15 | tuxy | jhutchins, do you think /boot requires more than 500 MB? |
| 22:26.15 | somiaj | ohn: one main thing I see people comming from ubuntu complain about is the 'older versions' of packages (debian takes a lot longer to test/ensure things are bug free and stable). So make sure you look into backports if you need/want newer versions. |
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| 22:26.39 | abrotman | tuxy: you don't need a separate /boot/ |
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| 22:26.53 | tuxy | oh it'll just come under / |
| 22:26.55 | tuxy | you are right |
| 22:27.30 | somiaj | tuxy: on modern systems the main reason I see for a seperate /boot is if you want to use an encrypted file system. |
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| 22:27.53 | p3rror | what operating system google run on their servers ? |
| 22:28.19 | abrotman | p3rror: uh, ask them |
| 22:28.21 | somiaj | p3rror: you can sometimes get the webserver to give you what server/version it is and that is usually key. |
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| 22:29.56 | transistor | hello |
| 22:30.45 | transistor | ok, so i totally messed up my system and i'm trying to run apt-get -f install to fix it, but it fails when it can't restart apache2; is there a way to get it to ignore this and fix everything else? |
| 22:30.58 | tuxy | aboman, should I create /swap ? i have 8 GB of RAM |
| 22:31.03 | tuxy | and i'm not going to be heavily using it |
| 22:31.06 | transistor | apache2 wont start because the kernel is too old, but i can't boot into the new kernel because the rest of the system isn't set up yet |
| 22:31.23 | abrotman | tuxy: you can create a swap file later |
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| 22:31.37 | abrotman | transistor: pastebin might better describe this |
| 22:31.42 | tuxy | i'll create one with 2 GB |
| 22:32.07 | abrotman | you don't need to, just use a swap file |
| 22:32.40 | transistor | abrotman: oh? well i'm pretty sure i can't resolve the apache starting issue so i'm just wondering if there's a way to get apt-get to ignore that error because i couldn't care less if apache is running atm |
| 22:32.40 | tuxy | oh hmm |
| 22:32.58 | tuxy | abrotman, how wold I do that? |
| 22:33.10 | abrotman | tuxy: we'll worry about that after you install |
| 22:33.33 | somiaj | transistor: you could put 'exit 0' at the top of the apache init.d script, that way when it gets to that point it will just think it did it correctly. |
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| 22:34.40 | transistor | abrotman: oh ok, thanks =) |
| 22:34.43 | tuxy | abrotman, what about /tmp ? 3 GB good? |
| 22:35.03 | abrotman | tuxy: do oyu need a separate /tmp/ ? |
| 22:35.23 | tuxy | that's what was suggested to me :/ |
| 22:35.30 | abrotman | by whome? |
| 22:35.31 | somiaj | tuxy: is this a desktop or server? |
| 22:35.32 | abrotman | whom |
| 22:35.35 | tuxy | server |
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| 22:35.46 | tuxy | abrotman, by a friend of mine in a different chanel |
| 22:35.48 | tuxy | channel |
| 22:35.53 | abrotman | tuxy: he might be on crack :) |
| 22:35.57 | tuxy | lol |
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| 22:36.20 | somiaj | a seperate /tmp is not required, but some consider it a safty net (since anyone can write to it and fill up your drive). But not needed. |
| 22:36.21 | tuxy | it's on the same drive. The only thing I dont want to do is create a /home on the SSD |
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| 22:36.48 | somiaj | tuxy: are you using lvm? |
| 22:36.51 | tuxy | no |
| 22:37.21 | tuxy | since I'm the only user on the server |
| 22:37.26 | somiaj | I would suggest simple and not worry about tons of partitions. if you want to split things up, lvm is really useful because then you can change things as you see what is used. |
| 22:37.30 | tuxy | I dont see using LVM as an advantage |
| 22:37.36 | tuxy | hmm |
| 22:38.40 | tuxy | here's what I have so far... 48GB on /, 10GB on /usr (too much?), 3GB on /tmp, 3GB on /var |
| 22:38.43 | tuxy | that's my entire disk |
| 22:39.16 | somiaj | with out lvm, why do you want to split it up |
| 22:39.20 | abrotman | tuxy: you need /home/ and / |
| 22:39.36 | somiaj | also /usr is where a lot of the data on / is used |
| 22:39.38 | tuxy | I want to make /home on a secondary HDD without wiping it |
| 22:39.43 | abrotman | and? |
| 22:39.47 | nonconvergent | somiaj: Where is that set by default? I just have lightdm launching XFCE as debian-installer and task-xfce-desktop set it up. |
| 22:40.08 | somiaj | nonconvergent: depends on your de, I'll look up the xfce launcher |
| 22:40.09 | tuxy | so I thought of making /home once I have installed the main system |
| 22:40.37 | nonconvergent | I don't have an .xsession, so I don't know what it should look like. |
| 22:40.56 | tuxy | abrotman, I can put just mount my secondary HDD as /home once I get into debian? |
| 22:41.04 | somiaj | nonconvergent: looks like it should be /usr/bin/startxfce4 |
| 22:41.06 | abrotman | or during install |
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| 22:41.51 | tuxy | abrotman, my secondary is filled with data on ext4 already. dont wanna wipe it to create /home |
| 22:41.52 | somiaj | tuxy: without lvm I would suggest just having everything root (maybe the whole ssd) and then /home on your seperate hdd |
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| 22:42.14 | tuxy | hmm ok |
| 22:42.15 | somiaj | tuxy: but looking at your setup, you have way to much on / and not enough on /usr or /var |
| 22:42.16 | tuxy | I can do that |
| 22:42.30 | tuxy | I can just balance it |
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| 22:42.44 | tuxy | if you guys can give me an idea of how much ot put |
| 22:42.51 | tuxy | 10 GB on /var and /usr? |
| 22:43.10 | tuxy | hmm maybe I should just / on SSD |
| 22:43.16 | abrotman | tuxy: / and /home/ |
| 22:43.23 | abrotman | stop making it harder than it has to be |
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| 22:43.34 | phix | tuxy: are you going to use lvm? |
| 22:43.37 | tuxy | no |
| 22:43.45 | phix | if not i recommend you do |
| 22:43.46 | somiaj | tuxy: again if you belive you want to split thigns up, please use lvm, that way as things fill up you can change the sizes of your partitions fairly easy. For my system I use two partitions, / and /home, which will probabaly be fine for a simple server. |
| 22:43.59 | tuxy | k |
| 22:44.09 | tuxy | how can I setup /home without wiping my second disk? |
| 22:44.17 | phix | tuxy: you still need a /boot partition though |
| 22:44.18 | tuxy | or should I set that up in fstab afterwards? |
| 22:44.28 | somiaj | tuxy: the installer allows you to just mount a partition filesystem for /home as opposed to formating it |
| 22:44.32 | abrotman | tuxy: during the install, you can tell it you wan tto use the other HDD and not format it |
| 22:44.38 | somiaj | tuxy: you can also set it up in fstab afterwards, your choice. |
| 22:44.57 | somiaj | phix: no you don't |
| 22:45.13 | somiaj | phix: oh for lvm, yes you do...sorry (: |
| 22:45.17 | tuxy | ok |
| 22:45.29 | tuxy | so I have SSD as / and HDD as /home |
| 22:45.57 | phix | somiaj: yeah my experiences with it says you do |
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| 22:46.24 | phix | does the debian installer setup gpt disks yet? |
| 22:46.26 | somiaj | tuxy: that will be just fine, unless you know of a reason to split thigns up. |
| 22:46.39 | tuxy | no reason |
| 22:46.45 | tuxy | some ppl just gave me advanced advice |
| 22:46.46 | tuxy | -_- |
| 22:47.00 | abrotman | it's not advanced |
| 22:47.06 | abrotman | it's from 1998 |
| 22:47.10 | tuxy | damn |
| 22:47.16 | phix | stock standard |
| 22:47.20 | tuxy | I see |
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| 22:47.48 | transistor | abrotman: thanks, that worked, but a bunch of new things came up =P |
| 22:47.55 | transistor | i'll get to work resolving them... |
| 22:48.00 | transistor | thanks, bye =) |
| 22:48.01 | abrotman | sounds fun |
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| 22:48.15 | somiaj | nonconvergent: so I belive having PATH=foo and 'exec /usr/bin/startxfce4' in your .xsession will dow hat you want |
| 22:48.33 | somiaj | again I'm not 100% positive that is the path to the xfce start script as I don't use xfce myself. |
| 22:49.04 | nonconvergent | somiaj: Except lightdm looks at its own session files, whereever they are. |
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| 22:50.41 | somiaj | each de/wm creates a session file, but there is also a 'default' session that uses the .xsession |
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| 22:50.56 | somiaj | or something like that, I forget what it is called. It should be there |
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| 22:58.05 | nonconvergent | somiaj: I think it's the .desktop files |
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| 22:58.55 | somiaj | nonconvergent: then I think you think wrong. |
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| 22:59.24 | abrotman | holy crap .. |
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| 22:59.51 | nonconvergent | back later |
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| 23:01.14 | tuxy | abrotman, i got this, "Failed. No space left" while installing base system |
| 23:01.25 | tuxy | I set it up as / and /home on 2 HDD's |
| 23:02.06 | abrotman | surely sounds like you've done something wrong |
| 23:02.15 | abrotman | did you forget to expand / after you removed the other partitions? |
| 23:02.18 | LinuxGuy2020 | Hello I just got done building a mini-ITX NAS box. I would love to run Debian on it since I use it on both my laptop and desktop already. My question, is there a package I can install that will give me a web GUI to create NAS shares? Or would I just have to start with a base install and do everything on the terminal? |
| 23:02.27 | tuxy | abrotman, / is 64 GB |
| 23:02.58 | tuxy | oh I forgot to erase data on / abrotman |
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| 23:03.41 | scwizard | so this is a ubuntu repository: http://ppa.launchpad.net/thefrontiergroup/vsftpd/ |
| 23:03.45 | scwizard | I don't care, I still want to add it |
| 23:03.59 | tuxy | lol |
| 23:04.03 | scwizard | when I tried to add it I got: http://ppa.launchpad.net/thefrontiergroup/vsftpd/ubuntu/dists/wheezy/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 23:04.22 | scwizard | how do I do something gross to actually shoehorn this repository in? |
| 23:04.35 | somiaj | scwizard: I dno't belive ppa's are the same as normal sources, you may just have to ftp over there and grab the .deb's you want. |
| 23:04.44 | tuxy | ^ |
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| 23:05.24 | mtn | scwizard: and that address is bad, try it in your browser |
| 23:05.40 | scwizard | of course the address is bad |
| 23:05.42 | abrotman | scwizard: this is #debian, Debian already has vsftpd |
| 23:05.45 | mtn | scwizard: or down, I suppose |
| 23:05.56 | scwizard | abrotman: the version it has is horrible I want a differnet version |
| 23:06.03 | somiaj | scwizard: /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 23:06.06 | tuxy | then compile |
| 23:06.07 | abrotman | scwizard: okay, then ask the PPA owner why it's broken, not us |
| 23:06.12 | tuxy | lol |
| 23:06.29 | scwizard | the ppa isn't working because wheezy is not a debian dsitrubiton |
| 23:06.29 | abrotman | scwizard: we have zero control over that repository or the quality of those packages, you're on your own |
| 23:06.33 | scwizard | *an ubnutu distriubtion |
| 23:06.36 | tuxy | scwizard, just compile a newer version of vsftpd |
| 23:06.41 | tuxy | it shouldn't be that hard |
| 23:06.42 | abrotman | tuxy: please .. |
| 23:06.49 | scwizard | the actual stuff is here: http://ppa.launchpad.net/thefrontiergroup/vsftpd/ubuntu/dists/precise/ |
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| 23:07.26 | scwizard | but when I did: add-apt-repository ppa:thefrontiergroup/vsftpd |
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| 23:07.47 | peterrooney | !frankenbuntu |
| 23:07.48 | dpkg | [frankenbuntu] a MONSTER that no-one in #debian will want to help you with. Mixing packages between different Debian releases is prone to disaster, mixing packages between different distributions (such as Debian and Ubuntu) is worse. Don't do it. And if you do, make sure you tell people who are helping you resolve dependency issues in the future that you did this! Ask me about <bobbitt>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankenstein |
| 23:07.52 | abrotman | scwizard: those PPAs are not meant for Debian |
| 23:08.07 | scwizard | abrotman: I know but I want to use them with debian anyway, I know this is gross sounding |
| 23:08.14 | abrotman | scwizard: okay, so download them manually |
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| 23:08.25 | abrotman | scwizard: then when you try to install them, they'll break your system |
| 23:09.06 | dimitry7 | Hello Guys. We for our database use Slony with Debian 6. We are upgrading to 7 but I realice slony is not included in Wheezy. What do you suggest? |
| 23:09.06 | tuxy | abrotman, I get this: http://i.imgur.com/Rs2xKpq.png |
| 23:09.16 | dimitry7 | * realise |
| 23:09.24 | scwizard | oh it's simple |
| 23:09.35 | scwizard | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.40 | scwizard | so I just change it to percise |
| 23:09.44 | abrotman | precise |
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| 23:10.02 | abrotman | tuxy: you did something wrong, how big is the SSD ? |
| 23:10.22 | tuxy | 64 GB |
| 23:10.29 | tuxy | and it's showing up at 225 MB |
| 23:10.33 | tuxy | hmm |
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| 23:10.47 | somiaj | scwizard: /msg dpkg ssbp (if you want a more suggested way to get version 3.0.2) |
| 23:11.03 | abrotman | scwizard: you do realize they'r the same versions of vsftpd ? |
| 23:11.21 | tuxy | abrotman, do i need to create a /boot ? |
| 23:11.23 | abrotman | NO |
| 23:11.31 | abrotman | for the tenth time |
| 23:11.40 | tuxy | ok so I dont know what's going on now |
| 23:11.41 | scwizard | hmm ok |
| 23:11.49 | abrotman | tuxy: you need to find out why it thinks it's 225 MB |
| 23:11.51 | tuxy | partition table says I have 64.0 GB allocated |
| 23:11.59 | tuxy | I erased the space |
| 23:12.04 | abrotman | tuxy: it sounds like you mispartitioned the thing |
| 23:12.15 | tuxy | there is no partition. it's only / |
| 23:12.22 | abrotman | is a partition |
| 23:12.29 | abrotman | ugh .. / is a partition |
| 23:12.32 | tuxy | ok so / is 64.0 GB |
| 23:12.57 | abrotman | tuxy: are you still in the installer? |
| 23:13.01 | tuxy | yes |
| 23:13.17 | abrotman | tuxy: if you "fdisk -l" what does it output ? |
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| 23:13.38 | tuxy | one sec |
| 23:14.36 | tuxy | abrotman, |
| 23:14.38 | tuxy | that same |
| 23:14.58 | abrotman | the same what? |
| 23:15.06 | tuxy | lemme screenshot it |
| 23:15.18 | abrotman | good plan |
| 23:15.27 | tuxy | abrotman, http://i.imgur.com/eimdQ54.png |
| 23:16.05 | abrotman | seems like much more than 225MB |
| 23:16.52 | somiaj | wonder if the filesystem didn't get created correctly and is an artifact from what you are doing. remake the filesystem on sda1? |
| 23:17.00 | dimitry7 | * realise |
| 23:17.01 | dimitry7 | Hello Guys. We for our database use Slony with Debian 6. We are upgrading to 7 but I realice slony is not included in Wheezy. What do you suggest? |
| 23:17.20 | tuxy | somiaj, I did. I erased the partition, deleted, created, erased and mounted as / |
| 23:17.40 | bernat | ,slony |
| 23:18.11 | tuxy | abrotman, somiaj check this: http://i.imgur.com/PUWoxSw.png |
| 23:18.12 | tuxy | from /var/log/syslog |
| 23:18.19 | abrotman | dimitry7: apt-cache search postgresql replication |
| 23:18.23 | Hydroxide | dimitry7: have you considered whether the new replication features in postgresql 9.1 meet your needs? |
| 23:18.32 | abrotman | or that :) |
| 23:18.44 | abrotman | tuxy: what are you showing us ? |
| 23:18.56 | tuxy | var/log/syslog |
| 23:19.01 | abrotman | yes .. i know |
| 23:19.03 | tuxy | the error it quit on |
| 23:19.07 | abrotman | out of space? |
| 23:19.09 | Hydroxide | abrotman: he's right about slony - it's not in wheezy, though it is in squeeze/jessie/sid |
| 23:19.11 | abrotman | tuxy: start the installer over again |
| 23:19.17 | abrotman | Hydroxide: i see that, bu tthere are others |
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| 23:19.28 | Hydroxide | abrotman: yup. starting with the new built-in feaurtes. ;) |
| 23:19.35 | Hydroxide | boggles at his own typo |
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| 23:20.04 | tuxy | abrotman, from restarting the system or just from partitioning disks |
| 23:20.20 | abrotman | whole thing! |
| 23:20.22 | somiaj | tuxy: you could also manage your own custom build of a slony package, but you will be in charge of any bugs/security with doing so. |
| 23:20.37 | abrotman | somiaj: you crossed streams |
| 23:20.42 | dimitry7 | abrotman, |
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| 23:20.44 | dimitry7 | Hydroxide, |
| 23:20.48 | somiaj | abrotman: yes I did |
| 23:20.50 | abrotman | cringes |
| 23:20.55 | dimitry7 | It talks about bucardo |
| 23:20.58 | somiaj | dimitry7: (see my last comment) |
| 23:21.03 | dimitry7 | is it replacing slony? |
| 23:21.30 | dimitry7 | somiaj, you could also manage your own custom build of a slony package, but you will be in charge of any bugs/security with doing so. |
| 23:21.40 | dimitry7 | somiaj, no, don't even think about it :-( |
| 23:21.58 | abrotman | somiaj: apparently you haven't had the pleasure of meeting dimitry7 yet? |
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| 23:22.19 | dimitry7 | abrotman, yes he's had :-) |
| 23:22.30 | dimitry7 | somiaj, I've seen you before :-) |
| 23:22.44 | somiaj | abrotman: I guess not, (: |
| 23:22.58 | dimitry7 | somiaj, you don't remember |
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| 23:23.29 | somiaj | dimitry7: I don't pay much attention to names. |
| 23:23.38 | abrotman | you're all just blobs to him! |
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| 23:25.48 | dimitry7 | abrotman, I see slony will be realeased for Jessie, so if that's the case, why bucardo is the new replication system for Postgres if Slony will come back? |
| 23:26.24 | abrotman | I'll take fries with that |
| 23:26.36 | dimitry7 | abrotman, what? |
| 23:26.51 | dimitry7 | sorry |
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| 23:37.22 | tuxy | yo abrotman |
| 23:37.29 | tuxy | so it finished installing the base system |
| 23:37.35 | tuxy | now it's saying that it cant find a mirror |
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| 23:38.00 | mtn | never knew installing debian was so hard :P |
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| 23:38.29 | ws2k3 | hello |
| 23:38.40 | tuxy | i didnt eitehr |
| 23:38.42 | ws2k3 | when i run a ping how am i able to see if it is offline |
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| 23:40.07 | ws2k3 | because when a machine is not responding ping just dont print anything |
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| 23:41.05 | mtn | ws2k3: it prints something when I run ping |
| 23:41.17 | ws2k3 | when i do ping sadasdasdasdasdasdsa |
| 23:41.23 | ws2k3 | i get an emty rule |
| 23:41.58 | mtn | ws2k3: if you have an internet connection you will at least see the ip address |
| 23:42.10 | ws2k3 | yeah i see an ip adres |
| 23:42.19 | ws2k3 | the point is it does not print time-out |
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| 23:42.36 | ws2k3 | so when i get 10 replay's i cant see it go offline |
| 23:42.42 | ws2k3 | because offline then linux dont print anything |
| 23:42.43 | somiaj | you should get ping: unknown host sad |
| 23:42.54 | ws2k3 | dude thats not the point |
| 23:42.54 | mtn | ws2k3: ping shows responses, that is what it is supposed to do |
| 23:43.16 | ws2k3 | lol |
| 23:43.31 | somiaj | ws2k3: oh are you trying to moninter weitehr a remote system is online, why not use some remote management tool, they do have them out there. |
| 23:43.48 | somiaj | mtn: I think he wants to use ping so that when it stops responding it does something because it assumes the machine is offline. |
| 23:44.08 | mtn | somiaj: I guess so, just not a very good question ;) |
| 23:44.10 | ws2k3 | nope that not the case but its good to know when i dont get responses anymore |
| 23:44.26 | ws2k3 | ping in windows nicely shows time-out when there is a time-out |
| 23:44.43 | somiaj | ws2k3: you could use a wrapper script, do 3 pings, and then look at the final output |
| 23:45.02 | somiaj | ws2k3: ping -c 3 host |
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| 23:51.32 | tuxy | abrotman, when setting a resources.list |
| 23:51.35 | tuxy | sources.list |
| 23:51.46 | tuxy | jessie and jessie-proposed-updates only? |
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| 23:52.56 | somiaj | tuxy: running a server on testing, sounds like trouble. But jessie won't have updates or proposed-updates usually until close to the freeze when they are made as placekeepers. |
| 23:53.13 | tuxy | hmm |
| 23:53.25 | tuxy | so what should I use for my pkg manager sources.list / |
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| 23:55.00 | somiaj | if you really want testing you really only need a single source line, since you won't get security patches and updates are gonna slowly flow from sid |
| 23:55.36 | ws2k3 | thanks for the help |
| 23:55.51 | tuxy | somiaj, so just jessi and jessie-updates ? |
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