| 00:00.25 | johnfg | grimeton: Did you see on the wiki the difference between gnome-desktop and gnome? |
| 00:01.29 | johnfg | We don't have a pretend mode, like emerge, for apt-get or aptitude, do we? |
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| 00:04.27 | nevyn | pretend? like noop? |
| 00:04.54 | grimeton | i don't get it |
| 00:05.51 | caf | johnfg: do you mean apt-get --dry-run ? |
| 00:08.25 | johnfg | caf: Ya, besides running debian, currently both squeeze and wheezy, I've been doing a lot with gentoo, and emerge -pv let's you see what would be emerged, installed without installing anything. |
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| 00:28.17 | Polakko | Hi to ALL!! i have question about software RAID in DEBIAN. I create software RAID 1 (with instalation), but now when im pressing fdisk -l combination its shows that two hard disk. Is it correct? |
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| 00:30.30 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 00:33.54 | regorianer | s there a possibility to disable the default respawn limit of upstart? let me explain why i need this ... the default is 10times within 5seconds, but if for any reason two programs crash at the same time (one has the connection to a bus and the other one is connecting as a client) and the respawn of the bus connector takes too long, the client will never open again because 10times tried to start and upstart is doing this really fast |
| 00:34.03 | petn-randall | Polakko: It's called Debian, it's not an acronym. Software RAID is done in software, which is why you'll still see your two HDDs. |
| 00:34.22 | petn-randall | regorianer: Which release are you on? |
| 00:34.55 | regorianer | its a raspbiaan wheezy |
| 00:35.00 | regorianer | *raspbian |
| 00:35.04 | Polakko | petn-randall: Thanks for help:] see ya! |
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| 00:37.59 | regorianer | respawn limit COUNT INTERVAL Respawning is subject to a limit, if the job is respawned more than COUNT times in INTERVAL seconds, it will be considered to be having deeper problems and will be stopped. |
| 00:38.14 | regorianer | this is the definition, but in my opinion its a crappy implementation |
| 00:38.28 | js9986 | help |
| 00:38.31 | Jeudi | I downloaded the Wheezy netinstall CD on Mac. I couldn't mount the ISO, or the disc after burning. "No mountable filesystems" and "not readable errors" respectively. But it works fine to boot from. |
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| 00:39.04 | Jeudi | What's weird about the Debian image that would casue this, if anything? Happened every time. |
| 00:39.09 | regorianer | the respwan depends on counts in seconds ... if my program isnt starting counted 100 times within 10 seconds the respwan will be aborted, but what if these 100 respawns are done in only 0,5 second ? |
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| 00:44.55 | LU324 | any idea how to resolve this, or if it's possible? this is on unstable amd64: http://pastebin.com/n19X7C2j |
| 00:46.29 | petn-randall | LU324: Can you also provide your full /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 00:47.58 | LU324 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 00:48.00 | LU324 | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 00:48.06 | LU324 | petn-randall: ^ that's it |
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| 00:57.26 | petn-randall | LU324: Looks like sid isn't in a good shape today. Try #debian-next on oftc.net if the problem is still there in the next few days. |
| 00:58.30 | LU324 | petn-randall: ok then, thanks |
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| 01:24.28 | veek | is there one tool that can handle all repos.. svn git cvs mercurial.. etc.. it's a bit irritating having to constantly install stuff |
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| 01:26.00 | petn-randall | veek: No, since all of them have feature that aren't interchangeable with the others. |
| 01:26.06 | petn-randall | *features |
| 01:26.22 | echo083 | veek, as far as i know none :( |
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| 01:36.36 | larks | anyone here install glc on debian? |
| 01:36.41 | larks | installed* |
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| 02:04.27 | echo083 | larks, libglc0 ? |
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| 02:10.42 | duckx0r | I have a question. I have a RAID 1 array set up and /dev/sdb failed. I therefore added /dev/sdc to the computer and add it to the RAID array. Will this create any problems when I remove /dev/sdb? Like will sdc become sdb and then I have to re-add it to the RAID? Or does it go by UUID? |
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| 02:13.37 | echo083 | duckx0r, in my opinion you should remove /dev/sdb from your computer and put the new harddisk at its place and wait for raid to resync the disks together |
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| 02:14.54 | duckx0r | echo083, for some reason my hosting provider wanted to put the third drive in first and then remove the second one |
| 02:15.13 | duckx0r | echo083, I said "I" but it wasn't physically me who did it |
| 02:15.21 | echo083 | duckx0r, ok ok i understand |
| 02:15.53 | echo083 | duckx0r, theorically when you'll remove /dev/sdb you shouldn't ahve any problem |
| 02:16.10 | echo083 | duckx0r, don't forget to remove the uuid of the old hd from the configuration file |
| 02:16.27 | duckx0r | echo083, where's the conf file? |
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| 02:16.48 | echo083 | duckx0r, no i meant remove it from the raid array |
| 02:17.05 | echo083 | duckx0r, don't move |
| 02:17.11 | duckx0r | echo083, i tried to do that, but i think it did it automatically |
| 02:17.30 | echo083 | duckx0r, try to ask here #linux-raid |
| 02:17.40 | duckx0r | ok thanks |
| 02:17.50 | echo083 | duckx0r, i don't want to give you wrong informations |
| 02:17.51 | duckx0r | looks pretty dead though, hope someone's online |
| 02:18.09 | echo083 | duckx0r, i'm quit sure that's not automatic you must inform the raid device that your hd failed |
| 02:18.22 | duckx0r | echo083, well, this is what happened when I tried to remove it: mdadm: set device faulty failed for /dev/sdb3: No such device |
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| 02:41.30 | recall | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:57.58 | benjf | safe to ask noobish questions in here? in general, I have a VPS running lenny that I need to upgrade |
| 02:58.19 | reavengrey | ask away |
| 02:58.31 | benjf | thanks :) |
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| 03:00.03 | benjf | it's a pretty basic LAMP server - been relatively neglected since it just keep chugging along. I'm guessing the best practice would be to update all the lenny "stuff", then hit each major release? |
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| 03:00.35 | benjf | or is it safe to go straight from (oldish) lenny to latest stable wheezy |
| 03:00.47 | themill | make sure you read the release notes for each of lenny→squeeze and squeeze→wheezy. You can't skip releases |
| 03:01.08 | benjf | themill: thanks! critical info there :) |
| 03:01.48 | benjf | do i need to update my sources.list file since lenny is so old? i just tried an 'apt-get update' and got a bunch of 404's |
| 03:02.26 | benjf | btw, if anyone has Drupal questions, I'm happy to help out and usually lurking in #drupal |
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| 03:03.52 | duckx0r | benjf, it may be easier to just do a reinstall if that's possible |
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| 03:04.23 | recall | Hello all, is anyone running a newer ATI/AMD card on squeeze or wheezy with multiple displays? I'm unable to configure my displays in the AMD control center due to a crash that occurs when I attempt to apply the changes. |
| 03:04.28 | benjf | duckx0r: good point. It's a VPS, so I could just install a fresh one and migrate my sites |
| 03:06.04 | zykotick9 | recall: you could see if arandr (a gui front end to xrandr) works? no idea if it supports propritary AMD. good luck. |
| 03:07.31 | recall | zykotick9, thanks for the suggestion. I have tried grandr (which I believe is another gui front-end) and it is only able to configure as a cloned display, which is the default I'm dealing with here |
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| 03:08.07 | zykotick9 | recall: you might have the same issue with arandr then? |
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| 03:08.58 | themill | benjf: the upgrade is easy enough to do too; /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
| 03:09.25 | benjf | themill++ |
| 03:09.26 | benjf | thanks |
| 03:09.36 | recall | zykotick9, that's what I'm thinking, although I could give it a shot. I'm currently running squeeze as my target, and I installed the updated driver from wheezy, but the same issue is occuring. I could go to testing or unstable, but I'm a bit worried about doing so |
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| 03:10.17 | kveroneau | recall, I am using a newer AMD GPU, let me grab my model info. I'm on Squeeze and it's confirmed to work for me on Wheezy as well. |
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| 03:10.49 | recall | kveroneau, that would be great, thanks. I'm running a HD7850 |
| 03:11.02 | kveroneau | recall, 2 displays here as well, and I can use xrandr to turn off individual displays on demand. |
| 03:11.20 | duckx0r | benjf, is anything on the VPS mission-critical or downtime really doesn't matter too much? |
| 03:11.35 | recall | kveroneau, are you running the fglrx driver? |
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| 03:12.26 | jmmy | anyone use cakephp? There are much in the docs |
| 03:12.29 | benjf | duckx0r: not critical - the 'friends and family' websites |
| 03:12.43 | benjf | i don't trust myself enough to admin a client server :) |
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| 03:13.01 | snorlax | what is the cli command to install debian from live cd? |
| 03:13.15 | Trae32566 | ^^ install using the ncurses install (obv) |
| 03:14.00 | duckx0r | benjf, the reason i ask is that things can go wrong during upgrade. i just upgraded my debian 6 server to 7 this weekend and my web server was down for about 2 hours. if I had known that and migration was an option, I may have done a fresh install and migrated over. |
| 03:14.15 | recall | I just checked arandr, and I can toggle displays on and off but I cannot setup anything other than a mirror |
| 03:14.36 | kveroneau | recall, my GPU is a Radeon HD 6530D |
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| 03:15.49 | recall | kveroneau, are you using the non-free ATI driver? |
| 03:16.11 | kveroneau | recall, yes I am using the non-free drivers. |
| 03:17.02 | recall | kveroneau, that's very interesting -- the squeeze or wheezy versions, you said? I wonder if there's something else causing the crash on application of the settings |
| 03:17.13 | jmmy | How do you reset mysql-server, like, I can't remember password |
| 03:17.31 | nonconvergent | Anyone a filesize visulizer like filelight or Gnome's Disk Usage Analyzer they like? |
| 03:17.31 | kveroneau | recall, entering dpkg -S aticonfig shows that I manually installed from AMD's website and didn't use the DEB packages. |
| 03:17.33 | jmmy | I did apt-get purge mysql-server, and then re-installed it but it didn't prompt for passwords |
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| 03:18.18 | duckx0r | jmmy, http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
| 03:18.24 | kveroneau | recall, I did use aticonfig after I installed the "official" drivers from AMD to do the initial config of xorg.conf |
| 03:19.07 | jmmy | duckx0r, thx |
| 03:19.15 | recall | kveroneau, ah, okay, I have read that works, so that's good to confirm. Does a kernel upgrade properly trigger a rebuild of the module as it does with the package? |
| 03:19.30 | recall | that was my hesitation on doing an install that way |
| 03:19.55 | benjf | duckx0r: what issues did you hit? |
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| 03:20.35 | benjf | my sites are not mission critical, but I'm much more comfortable migrating sites than troubleshooting system issues :) |
| 03:21.09 | duckx0r | benjf, actually some Drupal stuff, which should probably be fairly easy for you to debug, and the fact that apache just refused to start during the upgrade process |
| 03:22.21 | kveroneau | recall, I'm not entirely sure. I've been using a 3.2 kernel in Squeeze for months now due to better hardware support than the 2.6 branch in squeeze. |
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| 03:22.32 | benjf | so, the real reason for my upgrade is the python version - my drupal sites are running fine, but I'd like to tinker with a django project |
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| 03:23.12 | kveroneau | recall, so to that extent, I haven't actually upgraded my kernel in a long time, but unless it's broken don't fix it right. :) |
| 03:23.26 | recall | kveroneau, I'm actually using a 3.2 kernel for a while now also :) it is a backport, though |
| 03:24.11 | duckx0r | benjf, the python version was what caused my problems with that mostly heh. If you know how to install the sites and getting them up running, I'm sure you have nothing to worry about. But I was having trouble getting them to play well with apache's mod_wsgi |
| 03:24.22 | kveroneau | recall, I copied mine along with the kernel modules and header files directly from a wheezy install I was playing with early this year. |
| 03:24.45 | benjf | duckx0r++ |
| 03:25.10 | benjf | duckx0r: thanks for the info. I might go with another VPS so I have an easy recourse if it goes wrong |
| 03:25.29 | kveroneau | recall, so my kernel won't upgrade with the APT or anything since it's all manually copied over... Actually since I boot my system from a USB stick in MBR mode, the kernel's on the stick. |
| 03:26.04 | kveroneau | recall, which might also be something to check... EFI vs MBR with your GPU. |
| 03:26.18 | snorlax | :/ debian 7 live cd is upset about network hardware detection. |
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| 03:26.28 | duckx0r | benjf, np man. good luck. |
| 03:26.52 | kveroneau | recall, my PC supports EFI booting, but I've never really tried to configure Debian with it yet... guess I'm too much of an old timer(psst, I'm only 30 y/o so...) |
| 03:27.19 | jmmy | what www-data? |
| 03:27.24 | jmmy | what iswww-data? |
| 03:27.27 | jmmy | what is www-data? |
| 03:27.37 | recall | kveroneau, well, you certainly know the certain won't sneak an upgrade in with that setup! I have a UEFI capable BIOS as well, but I'm not so worried with configuring Debian with it either, I don't see the advantage as of now |
| 03:27.47 | recall | bah, certainly know the kernel* |
| 03:29.27 | recall | I'm noticing that ati-config has its own display setup options, but they require that xrandr 1.2 be disabled. I'm not quite sure how it's "enabled", however |
| 03:29.32 | kveroneau | jmmy, www-data is both the user and group for website public files. |
| 03:29.47 | jmmy | kveroneau, thx |
| 03:29.51 | recall | sorry, should be command line utility "aticonfig" |
| 03:30.36 | kveroneau | jmmy, if your web server is configured the "debian way", it will normally as that user and group. |
| 03:30.50 | kveroneau | *normally run* |
| 03:31.19 | jmmy | kveroneau, thx, I think so, I wanted to try cakephp |
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| 03:31.33 | jmmy | kveroneau, did you ever use it? |
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| 03:32.46 | jmmy | i installed the debian cakephp package but now I don't know what to do, what got installed, do I still have to download cake from their website? |
| 03:33.53 | duckx0r | jmmy, did it add an entry in /etc/apache2/sites-available ? |
| 03:33.58 | kveroneau | jmmy, the debian package will have cakephp in it, and it should install into /var/www, I haven't personally used cakephp before so I am not sure exactly how it's configured. Did it install apache? |
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| 03:34.24 | jmmy | duckx0r, no |
| 03:34.36 | jmmy | kveroneau, I dont see any new files in /var/www |
| 03:35.00 | duckx0r | jmmy, does your phpinfo() mention anything about cakephp? |
| 03:35.21 | kj4 | how do I turn a wheezy install into 'testing' or whatever the next branch is |
| 03:36.08 | kveroneau | jmmy, run dpkg -L cakephp |
| 03:36.21 | kveroneau | jmmy, this will tell you where and what files it installed. |
| 03:36.23 | dvs | !iyhtays kj4 |
| 03:36.23 | dpkg | kj4: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
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| 03:36.33 | jmmy | duckx0r, nope |
| 03:36.54 | kj4 | dvs: cmon, is this #archlinux? |
| 03:37.23 | jmmy | kveroneau, thx |
| 03:37.50 | jmmy | looks like the files are in /usr/share/php/cake |
| 03:38.15 | duckx0r | jmmy, yeah, i was just noticing that from http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/cakephp/filelist |
| 03:38.46 | jmmy | duckx0r, I'll just mv it /var/www/cake |
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| 03:39.10 | kveroneau | jmmy, I wouldn't move it... You'll confuse dpkg. |
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| 03:39.17 | duckx0r | jmmy, you might be better to just remove the package and install it using the instructions at http://book.cakephp.org/2.0/en/installation.html |
| 03:39.18 | jmmy | kveroneau, cp? |
| 03:39.21 | kveroneau | jmmy, you should symlink it with "ln -s" |
| 03:39.49 | jmmy | duckx0r, you think so? Your probably right cause I am gonna want a newer version |
| 03:39.52 | kveroneau | A symlink will work if apache/php isn't running chroot, which I don't believe is the default. |
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| 03:39.59 | jmmy | kveroneau, I'd rather just cp, it would be safe? |
| 03:40.12 | kveroneau | Copying is safe. |
| 03:40.40 | kveroneau | jmmy, you may also wish to read the README.Debian file, it usually explains how to set it up. |
| 03:41.14 | jmmy | kveroneau, it didn't say much there |
| 03:41.38 | duckx0r | jmmy, i didn't notice the version. the deb package is 1.3.15 and the latest is 2.x |
| 03:41.41 | kveroneau | jmmy, it's usually worth a shot. Some packages are more "informative" than others. |
| 03:42.12 | jmmy | I am gonna install it from the website so I can have the latest version |
| 03:42.26 | jmmy | But there is also a cake program in my shell now, you guys know what its for? |
| 03:42.55 | kveroneau | jmmy, that's normally what I do for website-based packages. Debian doesn't usually provide the latest version which most developers will want to use. |
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| 03:43.10 | jmmy | duckx0r, if i get cake from their site, I should probably remove the debian cakephp package eh? |
| 03:43.16 | kveroneau | jmmy, you can use dpkg -S cake to find out where it came from. :) |
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| 03:43.54 | kveroneau | You may wish to use which cake to get a better answer. |
| 03:44.09 | kveroneau | jmmy, eg: dpkg -S `which cake` |
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| 03:45.33 | jmmy | I think I'll just remove cakephp package so it doesn't interfere or mix up with the package from their site |
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| 03:46.23 | jmmy | thx guys |
| 03:47.09 | fellayaboy | hey in order for openvpn to work..what do i have to do..i know everything on the openvpn side is fine...like the crts keys config files..they all seem to be good..howerver when i sudo openvpn client.conf it initialization complete but then i get a time out error..i know the route to the server is good |
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| 03:47.33 | fellayaboy | my config file points to the right address |
| 03:48.29 | fellayaboy | is tehre something else i have to do..i have ubuntu connected to my vpn just fine so i know it works and im not using any duplicate certs |
| 03:48.30 | jmmy | how do I give my regular user read/write access to my /var/www. Whats the best way? |
| 03:49.23 | dvs | jmmy: add them to the www-data group |
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| 03:50.10 | jmmy | dvs thx |
| 03:50.16 | dvs | np |
| 03:50.41 | jmmy | useradd -G www-data username/ |
| 03:50.45 | jmmy | useradd -G www-data username |
| 03:50.50 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:50.55 | dvs | but not here |
| 03:51.02 | jmmy | dvs thx |
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| 03:51.08 | fellayaboy | or use sudo visudo to add your username to act as a root for all |
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| 03:53.08 | jmmy | its says username already exists |
| 03:53.35 | dvs | addgroup www-data <user_name> |
| 03:54.03 | jmmy | dvs yep that worked. Thanks |
| 03:54.15 | dvs | np |
| 03:55.30 | jmmy | I still write to /var/www I guess I have to give www-data access to /var/www which I though it already did |
| 03:55.40 | jmmy | I still CANT write to /var/www I guess I have to give www-data access to /var/www which I though it already did |
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| 03:56.13 | TriJetScud | jmmy: tried chown yet? |
| 03:56.20 | TriJetScud | or setfacl yet? |
| 03:56.22 | jmmy | TriJetScud, no |
| 03:56.36 | duckx0r | jmmy, what is the output of ls -ld /var/www ? |
| 03:56.41 | jmmy | I thought maybe using www-data was the best way |
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| 03:56.57 | jmmy | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root |
| 03:57.09 | dvs | drwxrwsr-x 2 root www-data 4096 Jan 22 22:31 www |
| 03:57.22 | duckx0r | jmmy, you need to chown it to root:www-data |
| 03:57.42 | duckx0r | jmmy, and give it permissions dvs says |
| 03:57.50 | jmmy | oh man, ok so 'chown root:www-data'? |
| 03:58.01 | duckx0r | yes |
| 03:58.07 | TriJetScud | or jmmy if your filesystem supports xattrs |
| 03:58.26 | TriJetScud | you can use setfacl |
| 03:58.51 | jmmy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.54 | TriJetScud | yeah |
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| 03:59.01 | TriJetScud | make it recursive too |
| 03:59.46 | jmmy | ok now i have the www-data when I do ls -ld |
| 03:59.57 | jmmy | so chown -R root:www-data /var/www |
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| 04:00.31 | jmmy | hmm still can't write, I have to give it permissions still |
| 04:00.43 | TriJetScud | did you grant it recursively? |
| 04:00.53 | jmmy | isn't that the -R? |
| 04:00.55 | TriJetScud | yeah |
| 04:01.08 | TriJetScud | and from the looks of it groups don't have the +w permission |
| 04:01.40 | firztspawn | currently have debian stable (wheezy) installed on my system - amd64. Had no video in Totem, so after searching the net I read about removing gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad and rebooting |
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| 04:02.11 | firztspawn | this seems to have worked; but now I have apt saying I have a heap of files no longer needed and to autoremove |
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| 04:02.28 | snorlax | hey. Can anyone help me get drivers for broadcom BCM5704 debian 7? |
| 04:02.35 | BronzeEagle | okay so my front mic isn't exactly working. When I speak I hear what I'm saying through my speakers rather than the person I'm talking to hearing |
| 04:02.42 | snorlax | i had to turn off the nics in order to install due to network detection failures. |
| 04:03.14 | snorlax | (having trouble with google helping me out with netextreme nics) |
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| 04:04.35 | firztspawn | is there a way I do not have to install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad; yet not have all these un-needed files appear everytime I want to install something? |
| 04:04.50 | snorlax | ahah. |
| 04:04.54 | snorlax | Found it in backports. |
| 04:05.08 | jmmy | I just did chmod a+w /var/www, I think that would work on its own |
| 04:05.16 | debiandub | how can i install openshot at debian without internet conection? |
| 04:05.48 | duckx0r | firztspawn, un-needed packages happen when you uninstall something, not when you install something |
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| 04:06.56 | duckx0r | firztspawn, it's nothing to worry about. just do the autoremove or leave them installed if you want. |
| 04:07.51 | debiandub | someone can explain me how to install packages from a laptop with internet conection at an offline computer with debian |
| 04:08.05 | debiandub | ?? |
| 04:08.05 | firztspawn | so the only way to satisfy all these apps is to re-install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad, or just simply ignore them? |
| 04:08.19 | TriJetScud | jmmy: verify the perms |
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| 04:10.53 | firztspawn | just seems like a pretty f---ed way for a "stable OS |
| 04:10.57 | firztspawn | " |
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| 04:14.13 | jmmy | firztspawn, maybe vlc worked out of bo |
| 04:14.18 | jmmy | x |
| 04:14.39 | firztspawn | imma try mplayer first |
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| 04:16.17 | firztspawn | also is there a way to check the system for missing deps? |
| 04:16.29 | jmmy | firztspawn, I never use mplayer anymore except for ffmpeg and sometimes vlc can't play a file |
| 04:16.57 | jmmy | I had to do chmod -R 777 cakephp to get it working |
| 04:17.11 | jmmy | dunno if it's safe and secure this way |
| 04:17.40 | moof2 | see what apt-get dist-upgrade wants to do |
| 04:17.54 | moof2 | you don't have to say yes, do it |
| 04:18.26 | moof2 | or, see what apt-get -f install |
| 04:18.29 | moof2 | wants to do |
| 04:18.58 | moof2 | see if dpkg --configure --pending does anything |
| 04:21.14 | duckx0r | jmmy, no, 777 is NOT safe. anyone who has access to the server can modify the files there |
| 04:21.21 | duckx0r | k gotta go |
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| 04:27.18 | muculus | http://serverfault.com/questions/512549/log-specific-process-cpu-and-memory-usage-by-name |
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| 04:38.56 | tapout | anyone remember that awesome console browser? I used to use w3m, and lynx, but there is an awesome one |
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| 04:41.16 | firztspawn | figured out the issue by going through dpkg logs |
| 04:42.05 | firztspawn | seems that when gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad was removed, gnome was as well |
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| 05:26.59 | future28 | Hi, I use squeeze with backports. On my system tray, there used to be a little wifi connection manager. I am using gnome. It disappeared and when I go to "add to panel" it doesn't exist in the list. |
| 05:27.07 | future28 | What is it called and how can I get it back? |
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| 05:27.32 | LtL | future28: nm-applet i believe |
| 05:27.33 | future28 | I can't seem to find a command to run to get it to appear |
| 05:27.43 | future28 | thanks LtL, I'll try to run it now |
| 05:28.06 | future28 | An instance of nm-applet is already running. |
| 05:28.08 | future28 | ** (nm-applet:3906): WARNING **: <WARN> constructor(): Couldn't initialize the D-Bus manager. |
| 05:28.12 | future28 | Well then |
| 05:28.28 | jeep | future28, is it network-manager your missing ? |
| 05:28.56 | future28 | There's no command "network-manager" |
| 05:29.00 | future28 | in my terminal |
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| 05:29.11 | jeep | future28, guess its missing then |
| 05:29.18 | future28 | it says it's installed |
| 05:29.43 | jeep | future28, apt-cache search network-manager should be one for gnome if i remebr right or kde |
| 05:29.47 | themill | is dbus still running? |
| 05:29.59 | future28 | themill: How can I determine this? |
| 05:30.34 | jeep | uses wicd instead of network-manager |
| 05:30.37 | LtL | future28: ps aux |grep dbus |
| 05:30.37 | future28 | jeep, that's also installed |
| 05:31.03 | themill | having both wicd and network-manager installed is a recipe for trouble |
| 05:31.17 | future28 | LtL: It seems to be |
| 05:31.46 | future28 | 5 lines were output, including "/usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system" |
| 05:32.22 | future28 | Could I just remove the gnome managers completely and use wicd instead? |
| 05:32.32 | themill | are you running nm-applet as your user? |
| 05:32.38 | LtL | future28: it NM installed? Try, dpkg -s network-manager |
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| 05:33.19 | future28 | LtL: Package: network-manager |
| 05:33.20 | future28 | Status: install ok installed |
| 05:33.29 | future28 | themill: I believe so |
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| 05:33.47 | themill | that's not an unqualified "yes" |
| 05:34.01 | future28 | themill: Yep, both running under "future" |
| 05:34.24 | future28 | themill: future 3123 0.0 0.1 283724 12572 ? SL 15:21 0:00 nm-applet --sm-disable |
| 05:34.39 | themill | wait -- it's already running? |
| 05:34.50 | future28 | yes? |
| 05:34.53 | future28 | It is |
| 05:35.04 | themill | you can't have more than one instance of nm-applet running |
| 05:35.24 | future28 | I do only have one instance, sorry |
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| 05:36.10 | themill | is thoroughly confused now |
| 05:37.58 | themill | future28: so you don't have an nm-applet icon in the systray but it is running? is that right? |
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| 05:39.55 | T4shi | Hi I have a VM bridged in a debian 7.0 with a debian 7.0 guest and I only can see my host machine since the vm, Anyone could helpme? |
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| 05:40.29 | future28 | themill: Yes |
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| 05:41.17 | T4shi | Hi future28 |
| 05:42.08 | future28 | T4shi: Hey |
| 05:42.24 | T4shi | When I ping to the host since th vm there is ping |
| 05:42.30 | T4shi | but not to the gateway |
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| 05:43.55 | themill | future28: so stopping the current nm-applet and re-running it might work for you; "killall nm-applet; sleep 5s; nm-applet". (that may cause you to be disconnected from the network for a few seconds) |
| 05:44.30 | future28 | I'll try that in a sec, I will brb |
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| 05:47.26 | T4shi | Someone knows how to bridge vm in vbox with debians? |
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| 05:47.57 | T4shi | debian 7.0 |
| 05:48.15 | future28 | themill: Nothing |
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| 05:48.48 | jeep | T4shi, just a bridged network conection ? |
| 05:49.02 | phy1729 | is ip forwarding enabled in sysctl? |
| 05:49.16 | themill | future28: what does that mean? |
| 05:49.34 | T4shi | phy1729 how can I watch it? |
| 05:49.35 | future28 | themill: Nothing happened at all |
| 05:49.43 | T4shi | no jeep |
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| 05:49.55 | T4shi | I've tried it jeep |
| 05:51.56 | T4shi | It's not enabled phy1729 |
| 05:52.09 | T4shi | maybe that's the issue |
| 05:52.44 | T4shi | Thank you very much for the answer phy1729 I'm going to try to enable it |
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| 06:04.07 | T4shi | phy1729: Now are enabled the ip_forward in the host and in the VM but it don't take ip by dhcp |
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| 07:01.17 | blz37 | themill: upgrading, thnx. |
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| 07:02.15 | themill | blz37: umm... there's a reason that package is only in unstable |
| 07:02.41 | future28 | Hi themill: The applet still is not displayed in the tray for networking |
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| 07:03.36 | blz37 | themill, I would like to test it out as. thnx for the caution. |
| 07:03.37 | themill | future28: no idea. I don't use gnome -- but what you did should solve it. You could always try logging out and logging back in again I guess |
| 07:03.40 | themill | ,bug 705924 |
| 07:03.41 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/705924 in fsharp-console (open): «doesn't work»; severity: grave; opened: 2013-04-22; last modified: 2013-04-25. |
| 07:03.46 | themill | blz37: ^^ |
| 07:04.07 | themill | (the bug report contains a workaround that might help you) |
| 07:04.13 | future28 | Sure, thanks themill. I was going to try awesome but it doesn't show half of my programs in the list when I run it... |
| 07:08.01 | blz37 | themill, haven't been upgrading for a long time because of work. And I found "Notion" the other day and it puts me in the mood for some tinkering. :) |
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| 07:30.50 | boudiccas | blz37, have you tried 'fluxbox'? |
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| 07:34.51 | blz37 | blz37, I was using fluxbox before. |
| 07:35.00 | blz37 | boudiccas, I was using fluxbox before.. |
| 07:35.16 | blz37 | but notion seems to be more intuitive. |
| 07:35.47 | blz37 | I haven't used notion with a lot of customization though. |
| 07:37.42 | boudiccas | fluxbox is the bees knees! and its just so easy to generate anew menu too |
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| 07:57.09 | _abc_ | Has anyone here got trouble connecting with simple chat applications and the like to linux machines running debian using bluetooth? I have working obex, working sdp browse, but rfcomm connections to the machine seem to fail even if a suitable daemon runs on it (like kbtserialchat or BlueChat etc.). |
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| 07:57.49 | _abc_ | Also there are precious few log messages from the bluetooth system, is there a way to up the debug message level? |
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| 08:16.42 | raptor67682 | hi |
| 08:17.10 | raptor67682 | a question . my tty altf1 does not turn off to saving |
| 08:17.27 | raptor67682 | i.ie the screen monitor such as dms dpms |
| 08:17.35 | raptor67682 | after 5 or 10min |
| 08:17.51 | raptor67682 | where this dpms of console does show or is controllerd |
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| 08:18.24 | raptor67682 | in x11, it is s xset but what may it be for the colnsole? (sorry for errs i am on pandora() |
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| 08:18.37 | raptor67682 | (debian stable ) |
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| 08:24.50 | ronny | hi |
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| 08:25.17 | ronny | where do i actually configure what services to run by default? |
| 08:25.21 | funnyboy243 | You are asking me where you actually configure what services to run by default? Do you think I should know it? |
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| 08:27.24 | Tjati | which licenses are required for software, if the author of the software would wish, that this software would be available at debian? |
| 08:27.28 | funnyboy243 | The small one, I think. |
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| 08:30.21 | lapache | Please, do you recommend any FC SAN ? Or any brand that respects well rfcs ? |
| 08:30.26 | funnyboy243 | Thanks for asking politely. No I do not recommend any FC SAN. Do you? I spend all my time online. Yes I think there are. |
| 08:30.59 | lapache | Hello* =) |
| 08:31.03 | funnyboy243 | Hi there! |
| 08:31.51 | T4shi | Hi I have a VM bridged in a debian 7.0 with a debian 7.0 guest and I only can see my host machine since the vm, Anyone could helpme? |
| 08:31.55 | funnyboy243 | Hi there Phuck You that. Interesting. I have a lot of answers to silly questions. it What does it look like? |
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| 08:36.05 | shorefire | Hello, I need some help |
| 08:36.08 | funnyboy243 | Hello there. Can you ask for help in the form of a question? |
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| 08:36.46 | shorefire | Spent the night trying to get windows 7 and debian to dual boot, I have each os on its own hard drive, there is no boot menu when I start up |
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| 08:36.51 | funnyboy243 | What is Spent the night trying to get windows 7 and debian to dual boot you have each os on its own hard drive there? |
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| 08:44.33 | unheeding | what language should I learn? |
| 08:44.38 | funnyboy243 | AIML. |
| 08:44.54 | unheeding | very funny funnyboy243 \ |
| 08:44.58 | funnyboy243 | Perhaps. I am so glad you find this amusing, Phuck You that. |
| 08:45.13 | unheeding | are you a bot? |
| 08:45.17 | funnyboy243 | WTF NO! |
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| 08:45.45 | unheeding | lol |
| 08:45.49 | funnyboy243 | I'm glad you find this amusing. |
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| 08:47.22 | histo | !ops | funnyboy243 |
| 08:47.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: histo complains about: | funnyboy243 |
| 08:47.26 | funnyboy243 | Ask me another question. |
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| 08:50.18 | well_laid_lawn | what is 42? |
| 08:50.22 | funnyboy240 | The answer to life, the universe, and everyting, according to Dougas Adams. |
| 08:50.30 | well_laid_lawn | well done |
| 08:50.34 | raptor67682 | j woudl u know a sort of xset for the console|?? |
| 08:50.35 | funnyboy240 | Well that's okay. Do you mean you are finished talking? |
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| 08:50.55 | unheeding | oh funnyboy.... |
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| 08:51.00 | funnyboy240 | Blimey. What's your favorite movie? |
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| 08:53.27 | histo | What a persistent troll... |
| 08:53.32 | funnyboy240 | it is a persistent troll. |
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| 08:55.00 | histo | So what kind of fun is packed into the 94MB file you are spamming? |
| 08:55.05 | funnyboy240 | Yikes! What kinds of fun is packed into the 94MB file you are spamming are there? |
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| 08:59.12 | tomw1 | hi, when I tried to install wheezy, my Realtek RTL8191SU doesn't work |
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| 08:59.24 | tomw1 | it isn't recognised by the installer |
| 08:59.28 | mumpitze1 | !rtl8181su |
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| 08:59.35 | mumpitze1 | !rtl8191su |
| 08:59.36 | dpkg | r8712u is a Linux kernel module produced by the r8712u staging driver, supporting Realtek RTL8188SU, RTL8191SU and RTL8192SU 802.11n USB wireless LAN chipsets. It replaces the rtl8192su staging driver (r8192s_usb module) which was removed at Linux 2.6.37. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8712u.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 09:00.20 | mumpitze1 | tomw1: you could use a firmware image, an installer with the non-free firmware included. /msg dpkg firmware image |
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| 09:01.07 | tomw1 | mumpitze1: thanks |
| 09:01.27 | histo | tomw1: hrm.. same issue that you had with arch huh? |
| 09:01.28 | T4shi | Hi I have a VM bridged in a debian 7.0 with a debian 7.0 guest and I only can see my host machine since the vm, Anyone could helpme? |
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| 09:01.54 | tomw1 | histo: yes, but I can now use a firmware iso |
| 09:02.06 | histo | tomw1: vs. just downloading the firmware.... that makes sense |
| 09:02.07 | phr3ak | Hi Could you tell me please where could I find more information about Configuration Item: APT::Get::Compile |
| 09:02.45 | tomw1 | histo: you haven't given me any proof that there even is firmware on it for arch, neither has Google |
| 09:02.53 | tomw1 | so I'll stick with Debian for now |
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| 09:03.16 | Nebukadneza | heho |
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| 09:08.15 | Nebukadneza | somehow i managed to break my systems libc, and now i want to force-install my new libc6 package from a booted grml, however due to the missing libc, i cannot use chroot |
| 09:08.33 | Nebukadneza | in this case, how would i use dpkg to read from / install to the different root? it seems that --root= isn't sufficient? |
| 09:09.01 | mumpitze1 | Nebukadneza: unpack the .so files manually into their place |
| 09:09.15 | mumpitze1 | then (re)install libc6 inside the chroot |
| 09:09.36 | Nebukadneza | mh yeah, i thought of that too |
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| 09:11.01 | Nebukadneza | but if dpkg would support installing and maintining the database on a differen root, that'd be much cleaner IMO |
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| 09:12.05 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: you need both --root and --admindir. There's --instdir but I've never used it. |
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| 09:12.42 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: but really, I'd dpkg --extract libc6_*.deb /path/to/chroot, then chroot and install it properly |
| 09:12.42 | Nebukadneza | mh |
| 09:13.09 | Nebukadneza | i've just extracted it, and can chroot again. however, when installing the libc package, dpkg whines about another libc already beeing in place... |
| 09:13.11 | T4shi | Hi I have a VM bridged in a debian 7.0 with a debian 7.0 guest and I only can see my host machine since the vm, Anyone could helpme? |
| 09:13.15 | Nebukadneza | and even --force-all doesn't fix that oO |
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| 09:13.33 | tomw1 | hi, on Windows I used USB creators to make many live isos, and they have named my USBs to something like "Linux Mint Xfce 64 bit" etc |
| 09:13.38 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: pastebin the complete, actual output and the command that fails inside the chroot |
| 09:13.39 | tomw1 | How do I remove these names? |
| 09:14.02 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: ouch, thats going to be fun without an graphical browser ;) |
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| 09:14.02 | tomw1 | making a new partition table doesn't do anything, no matter how much I format them |
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| 09:14.59 | Nebukadneza | oh, grml has gpm support -- jelly-home: http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?785 |
| 09:15.05 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: grml should have screen and curl installed. Log the output with screen, pastebin by piping to curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
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| 09:15.39 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: why are you replacing 2.13-38 with a libc6 from a newer release? |
| 09:15.42 | tomw1 | Does anyone know if it's possible? |
| 09:15.51 | histo | tomw1: mkfs.vfat -n whatever |
| 09:16.04 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: i want to upgrade |
| 09:16.06 | histo | tomw1: you have to change the label |
| 09:16.22 | tomw1 | histo: okay |
| 09:16.34 | tomw1 | histo: Can a label be removed completely? |
| 09:16.34 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: upgrade to what? Don't do that by forcing. First, put the system back to a consistent state. |
| 09:16.42 | tomw1 | as in, I want the USBs to be like new |
| 09:16.45 | jelly-home | tomw1: set an empty label |
| 09:16.52 | tomw1 | okay |
| 09:16.55 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: mh, how would i do that? |
| 09:17.02 | Nebukadneza | half of libc stuff is already upgraded oO |
| 09:17.21 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: install 2.13-38 instead. |
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| 09:17.33 | jelly-home | or whatever's in stable |
| 09:17.36 | jelly-home | ,v libc6 |
| 09:17.38 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38; jessie: 2.17-3; sid: 2.17-3 |
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| 09:17.54 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: mhhh, ok, lemme try whether aptitude does the right thing for me |
| 09:18.14 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: neither aptitude nor apt will work at this point |
| 09:19.02 | jelly-home | tomw1: you can use dosfslabel to just view or change it, without affecting the contents |
| 09:19.04 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: nope, it removes my working libc again.. |
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| 09:19.39 | tomw1 | jelly-home: okay |
| 09:20.11 | tomw1 | also, what's the best way to make a Debian USB under Linux? I've searched on Google but Debian doesn't even have a page about it? |
| 09:20.12 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: what does dpkg --print-architecture say in the chroot? |
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| 09:20.33 | jelly-home | tomw1: just dd the image onto a stick |
| 09:20.41 | histo | tomw1: dd if=whatever.iso of=/dev/of/usb |
| 09:20.43 | tomw1 | alright |
| 09:20.47 | Nebukadneza | there is no chroot anymore as my chroots libc just got killed by the downgrade |
| 09:20.48 | jelly-home | (or cp or cat or whatever) |
| 09:21.06 | mumpitze1 | !tell tomw1 about ig |
| 09:21.09 | tomw1 | do I need to add ; sync to it and what does that even go? |
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| 09:21.11 | tomw1 | *do |
| 09:21.19 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: alright then, was it a 64bit or a 32bit system? |
| 09:21.20 | Nebukadneza | i am now trying to dpkg -x <foo> /mnt/ to restore the few libs i need in order to chroot again |
| 09:21.23 | Nebukadneza | it was a -amd64 |
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| 09:22.23 | Nebukadneza | Oo |
| 09:22.37 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: hmph. It would be nice to remove the remnants of previously extracted libc6 2.17 first |
| 09:22.53 | Nebukadneza | wtf? why is there only a libc-amd64_2.13-38_i386.deb and libc6-i386_2.13-38_amd64.deb Oo? |
| 09:23.24 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: have you booted a 64bit grml? |
| 09:23.28 | Nebukadneza | yes |
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| 09:24.10 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: what is "there" you're referring to |
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| 09:24.42 | Nebukadneza | in /var/cache/apt/archives/, where the aptitude trying (and failing) to downgrade has downloaded its packages to |
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| 09:25.18 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: /v/c/a/archives in grml or in the chroot? |
| 09:25.22 | Nebukadneza | in chroot |
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| 09:25.48 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: just wget and install http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc6_2.13-38_amd64.deb with dpkg |
| 09:25.53 | Nebukadneza | (btw, trying to chroot i now get "error while loading shared libs: __vdso_time: invalid mode for dlopen(): invalid argument" |
| 09:26.47 | Vai | morning all =) |
| 09:26.48 | jelly-home | that's likely caused by multiple versions of libc6 present |
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| 09:27.44 | Nebukadneza | ah, that libc6 package made chroot work again |
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| 09:28.08 | Nebukadneza | whats the correct further way now? |
| 09:28.17 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: what does dpkg -l libc6\* say in the chroot, now |
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| 09:30.06 | Nebukadneza | ii are: libc6:amd64 2.13-38, libc6:i386 2.13.38, iHR are: libc6-amd4 2.13-38, libc6-i386 2.13-38, iU are: libc6-dbg:amd64 2.17.3, and libc6-dev:amd64, libc6-dev-i386 2.13-38 |
| 09:30.10 | pucko | using Wheezy I have the most amazing network problem. As soon as I get the address via DHCP, I can not even ping the gateway anymore. And the netfilter is totally empty with Accept on all chains. |
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| 09:30.42 | pucko | this is wireless I should mention. heh |
| 09:31.02 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: pastebin please, and better make that "aptitude -F'%a%c%M %30p %10v %10d' search '~i ?source-package(eglibc)'" |
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| 09:31.12 | histo | pucko: what chipset? |
| 09:31.39 | pucko | histo: 8192cu |
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| 09:32.08 | Nebukadneza | http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?786 |
| 09:32.39 | histo | !rt8192cu | pucko |
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| 09:32.54 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: ok, dpkg -P libc6-i386 libc6-amd64 libc6-dbg:amd64 |
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| 09:33.32 | jelly-home | histo: ITYM "!tell pucko about rtl8192cu" |
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| 09:34.06 | Nebukadneza | there are a few dependency errors of packages that don't look like i need them (lib32*, mbrola, valgrind), shall i also remove them? |
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| 09:34.19 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: yes |
| 09:34.50 | histo | !tell pucko about rtl8129cu |
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| 09:35.08 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?787 ... shall i force removal? |
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| 09:35.22 | pucko | histo: guess the bot is dead :) |
| 09:35.32 | jelly-home | dpkg: ping |
| 09:35.32 | dpkg | Yes, jelly-home, you are online. |
| 09:35.34 | histo | pucko: no bot is working no factoid for that chipset though |
| 09:35.46 | jelly-home | !rtl8129cu |
| 09:35.49 | unheeding | The only thing that matters is that you had a good time getting there. |
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| 09:35.58 | pucko | histo: well, at least I get the impression that I am not alone with this issue :) |
| 09:35.59 | jelly-home | histo: it helps if you don't maketypos |
| 09:36.09 | jelly-home | pucko: /msg dpkg rtl8192cu |
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| 09:36.13 | histo | jelly-home: No it doesn't exist |
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| 09:36.32 | jelly-home | histo: /msg dpkg rtl8192cu |
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| 09:37.48 | histo | !tell pucko about rtl8192cu |
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| 09:38.39 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: i've now cleaned it up down to: http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?788 |
| 09:38.40 | tomw1 | hello |
| 09:38.53 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: hm. This might be a good enough state for apt to clean up. could you pastebin your sources.list first please? |
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| 09:39.14 | tomw1 | I have downloaded the firmware iso and tried to install it, yet *still* it fails to recognise my Realtek RTL8191SU USB dongle so I cannot connect to the internet. :( |
| 09:39.17 | tomw1 | What else could I do? |
| 09:39.31 | Nebukadneza | http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?789 |
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| 09:39.43 | Nebukadneza | (stable, unstable, and experimental are pinned down...) |
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| 09:40.10 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: oh fuck no. Leave just stable in, for now |
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| 09:40.29 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: uhm ... my system is/was testing |
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| 09:41.13 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: I'd have called that "a mess" rather than testing |
| 09:41.25 | Nebukadneza | ;/ |
| 09:41.29 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" then |
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| 09:42.05 | Nebukadneza | http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?790 |
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| 09:42.59 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: move away the pinning configuration, comment out third party repos and anything but stable, do an update and try a tentative apt-get -f install |
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| 09:43.56 | Nebukadneza | an ... update? |
| 09:44.05 | jelly-home | apt-get update or aptitude update |
| 09:44.17 | Nebukadneza | yes, but, with only stable, won't it be an downgrade? |
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| 09:44.40 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: the point is to get apt into a consistent state |
| 09:44.44 | Nebukadneza | mh |
| 09:44.48 | Nebukadneza | isn't testing consistent enough? |
| 09:45.10 | jelly-home | testing has a newer libc6 than what you have on the system at present |
| 09:45.23 | Nebukadneza | mh |
| 09:45.24 | Nebukadneza | agreed |
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| 09:45.43 | Nebukadneza | http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?791 |
| 09:46.06 | Nebukadneza | mh |
| 09:46.13 | Nebukadneza | shall i manually dpkg -i those two? |
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| 09:47.10 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: the versions from stable |
| 09:47.17 | jelly-home | that's an option, yes |
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| 09:48.03 | Nebukadneza | so i dpkg -i libc6-amd64_2.13-38_i386.deb locales_2.13-38_all.deb? |
| 09:48.12 | jelly-home | yes |
| 09:48.38 | jelly-home | then dpkg -P libc6-amd64 afterwards, since you don't really need that wrapper |
| 09:48.46 | Nebukadneza | ok, apt-get -f install doesn't have anything to do |
| 09:49.04 | jelly-home | that's great, now reintroduce testing and nothing else |
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| 09:49.10 | Nebukadneza | """Removing libc6-amd64 ... dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute installed post-removal script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6-amd64.postrm): No such file or directory""" |
| 09:49.17 | Nebukadneza | bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory ;P |
| 09:49.24 | Nebukadneza | doesn't seem that was a wrapper? |
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| 09:50.13 | Nebukadneza | libc-amd64 does actually contain useful files (also, i just restored it) |
| 09:50.35 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: that is very unusual |
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| 09:50.44 | Nebukadneza | mh, its the file you told me to wget before |
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| 09:51.56 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: how did you reinstall it? |
| 09:51.57 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: dpkg -L libc6-amd64 lists the libc library files |
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| 09:52.05 | opi | Hey, I'm going to move my laptop to Debian Testing today, is it safe to do it now? Did the rush of changes after Wheezy's release subsided? |
| 09:52.41 | Nebukadneza | i did download and dpkg -x it to my chroot, then chrooted and dpkg -i'ed it again (it beeing libc6_2.13-38_amd64.deb) |
| 09:53.13 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: ok, that's sane |
| 09:53.25 | jelly-home | as long as you didn't reinstall libc6-amd64 |
| 09:53.25 | Nebukadneza | ok |
| 09:53.30 | Nebukadneza | ;) |
| 09:53.47 | Nebukadneza | uhm |
| 09:53.53 | Nebukadneza | libc6-amd64 is also installed oO |
| 09:54.01 | Nebukadneza | and also contains files |
| 09:54.02 | Nebukadneza | oh wait |
| 09:54.06 | Nebukadneza | thats what i just said *confused* |
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| 09:54.17 | Nebukadneza | both -amd64 and :amd64 contain files |
| 09:54.28 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: libc6-amd64 should NOT contain more than one-two file from /etc |
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| 09:54.50 | Nebukadneza | it does |
| 09:55.04 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: pastebin the output of dpkg -L libc6-amd64 |
| 09:55.17 | Nebukadneza | sec |
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| 09:55.48 | Nebukadneza | http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?792 |
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| 09:56.36 | jelly-home | I only asked for libc6-amd64, thought, but thanks. It only contains files in legacy /lib64 and /usr/lib64 |
| 09:56.46 | jelly-home | you ought to be ableto just purge it |
| 09:56.50 | Nebukadneza | ok, lets try again |
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| 09:57.26 | Nebukadneza | http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?793 |
| 09:57.40 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: run ldconfig |
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| 09:58.20 | Nebukadneza | no such file or directory |
| 09:59.10 | Nebukadneza | also cannot chroot anymore, now i'd need to extract libc6_2.13-38_amd64.deb again |
| 09:59.26 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: /sbin/ldconfig |
| 09:59.38 | Nebukadneza | mhhh |
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| 10:00.05 | Nebukadneza | is there some way to do that from outside the chroot? |
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| 10:00.17 | jelly-home | no. Why did you exit from that bash? |
| 10:00.33 | Nebukadneza | ;( my fault |
| 10:00.40 | Nebukadneza | ok, extract, install, purge, ldconfig, it is again |
| 10:00.42 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: chroot /mnt /sbin/ldconfig |
| 10:00.48 | Nebukadneza | ah |
| 10:01.09 | Nebukadneza | mh |
| 10:01.16 | jelly-home | does ldconfig make binaries usable again? |
| 10:01.16 | Nebukadneza | that executes without an error, but i cannot enter the chroot again |
| 10:01.32 | jelly-home | weird |
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| 10:03.24 | Nebukadneza | maybe reinstall libc6:amd64? |
| 10:03.28 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: is there any output in grep /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu /mnt/etc/ld.so.conf{,.d/*} |
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| 10:04.15 | Nebukadneza | /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu |
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| 10:04.31 | jelly-home | so they're there |
| 10:04.51 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: and ls -la /mnt/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-* /mnt/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc[.-]* |
| 10:04.54 | Nebukadneza | ldd on /bin/bash yields: libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 |
| 10:05.14 | Nebukadneza | lists the files and correct (valid) symlinks |
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| 10:07.29 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: chroot /mnt2 /sbin/ldconfig -v 2>&1 | egrep '^/|libc\.' |
| 10:07.42 | jelly-home | erm, /mnt |
| 10:07.51 | Nebukadneza | nopaste it? |
| 10:07.54 | jelly-home | yes |
| 10:08.23 | Nebukadneza | http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?794 |
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| 10:08.49 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 10:08.53 | Nebukadneza | why does ldconfig search in /lib64 still? |
| 10:08.58 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: what's left in /lib64 ? |
| 10:09.12 | Nebukadneza | exactly nothing |
| 10:09.17 | Nebukadneza | not even dotfils |
| 10:09.19 | Nebukadneza | *dotfiles |
| 10:09.42 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: is /lib64 a real directory or a symlink? |
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| 10:09.58 | mashku | Hi |
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| 10:10.07 | Nebukadneza | real directory, it seems |
| 10:10.09 | mashku | when gcc 4.8.1 will be available in debian ? |
| 10:10.11 | mashku | :( |
| 10:10.18 | jelly-home | ,v gcc-4.8 |
| 10:10.20 | judd | Package: gcc-4.8 on i386 -- jessie: 4.8.0-7; sid: 4.8.0-9 |
| 10:10.31 | jelly-home | mashku: when it's ready? |
| 10:11.53 | mashku | jelly, GCC 4.8.1 released [2013-05-31] |
| 10:12.08 | mashku | jelly-home, so its ready |
| 10:12.53 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: mhmm, removing the /lib64 directory from ld.so.conf.d? |
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| 10:13.14 | mashku | http://isocpp.org/blog/2013/05/gcc-4.8.1-released-c11-feature-complete |
| 10:13.21 | jelly-home | mashku: that was two days ago. It's a weekend. Are you ready to pay the volunteers doing the work needed to package and test it? |
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| 10:13.56 | mashku | jelly-home, how long does it actually take to make a package ? on avergae? |
| 10:13.57 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: or simply leave the poor libc6-amd64 be, and just upgrade both to testing? |
| 10:14.10 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: what about sudo chroot /mnt /sbin/ldconfig -v 2>&1 | egrep '^/|libc\.|ld-linux' |
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| 10:14.36 | Nebukadneza | http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?795 |
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| 10:15.10 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: there *is* a libc there oO |
| 10:15.39 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: looks sane. Yeah, I'd go with removing /lib64 and /usr/lib64 from whatever file in /etc/ld.so.conf*/* |
| 10:15.46 | Nebukadneza | kk |
| 10:16.02 | Nebukadneza | zz_amd64-biarch-compat.conf, btw |
| 10:16.17 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: perhaps the cache isn't getting regenerated for some reason |
| 10:16.29 | jelly-home | mashku: it depends. |
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| 10:16.55 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: i'll just remove the cache so i can see a new one is generated? |
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| 10:17.31 | jelly-home | mashku: if it doesn't happen in a month or two, file a wishlist bug |
| 10:17.31 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: nop, it actually does get regenerated |
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| 10:19.06 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: mhmm, a static 'ldd' would be nice to debug this oO |
| 10:19.17 | jelly-home | heh |
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| 10:19.44 | jelly-home | I see you noticed ldd was a shell script now on gnu/linux. |
| 10:19.46 | Nebukadneza | so i can ldd /bin/bash inside the chroot and see whats missing, instead of getting that cryptic "no such file or dir" message |
| 10:20.07 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: you can do strace chroot /mnt /bin/bash |
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| 10:20.19 | jelly-home | but I bet it will just fail on execve() |
| 10:20.30 | Nebukadneza | yes, and i'll get this: execve("/bin/bash", ["/bin/bash"], [/* 14 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 10:20.34 | Nebukadneza | yes ;) |
| 10:20.50 | jelly-home | (which means "I can't find the correct ELF loader, ie. ld-linux.so.* |
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| 10:21.47 | Nebukadneza | ahaa |
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| 10:22.22 | Nebukadneza | root@grml:/mnt/lib64# ln -s ../lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, works |
| 10:22.44 | jelly-home | yeah... that's a lame workaround |
| 10:23.06 | Nebukadneza | yes, but at least i'm in the chroot again and have libc6-amd64 purged |
| 10:23.08 | jelly-home | I'd just sumlink the whole /lib64 to /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu |
| 10:23.11 | Nebukadneza | now i can debug further |
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| 10:23.28 | Nebukadneza | nah, this is only temporary |
| 10:23.33 | jelly-home | (my idea would have disastrous results after that purge) |
| 10:23.55 | jelly-home | Nebukadneza: doyou havea really old bash installed? |
| 10:24.22 | Nebukadneza | 4.2+dfsg-0.1 |
| 10:24.23 | Nebukadneza | mh |
| 10:24.23 | Nebukadneza | idea |
| 10:24.25 | jelly-home | ,v bash |
| 10:24.27 | judd | Package: bash on i386 -- squeeze: 4.1-3; wheezy: 4.2+dfsg-0.1; jessie: 4.2+dfsg-1; sid: 4.2+dfsg-1 |
| 10:24.45 | Nebukadneza | lemme upgrade to testing now, then see whether removing the symlink will "magically work"? |
| 10:24.53 | jelly-home | I'm not sure what's going on with ldconfig here |
| 10:25.08 | Nebukadneza | the packages should be in a consistent enough state? |
| 10:26.20 | Nebukadneza | mh, i think i shall full-upgrading first, then lets see whether problem magiclly vanishes, then debug on if necessary |
| 10:26.38 | Nebukadneza | jelly-home: you helped me SO much with my problems here, and led me on the way of getting my packages in a constant state again ;) |
| 10:26.50 | jelly-home | yeah, I don't have any decent ideas |
| 10:26.51 | Nebukadneza | i am really really grateful for your help. Thanks a LOT! |
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| 10:27.03 | jelly-home | np, have a nice day and good luck |
| 10:27.28 | Nebukadneza | same goes to you too ;) and really, thanks so much! |
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| 10:28.00 | jelly-home | thinking aloud, bad permissions on stuff wouldn't affect root |
| 10:29.22 | jelly-home | and I guess you don't have /mnt/lib on a separate mount with noexec option |
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| 10:30.05 | ompaul | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jun 2 11:29 foo it won't even stop root from overwriting |
| 10:30.23 | ompaul | they don't call it superuser for nothing :) |
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| 10:31.32 | petn-randall | It should be renamed to shootyourselfinthefootifyouwant on some systems. |
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| 10:39.23 | _abc_ | Guys has anyone here had problems connecting serial rfcomm midp from phone to debian pc using bluetooth? I have working obex both ways, working serial one way (pc to phone), not working serial to pc. Is this perhaps a permissions thing? hcid.conf? |
| 10:40.46 | isaqual | Problem. Our web server is getting slow and there is also some physical problems too. We want to move our sites to cloud linode etc. Problem is that we have about hundred of customers connecting daily on our server and also our server is sending data to our clients server. Clients firewall is configured for our ip. We dont like to manually configure all of our clients server firewalls to matching our new server ip. Is there any way t |
| 10:40.47 | isaqual | old server like gateway or something .. or do u have any ideas what i should do in this case ? |
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| 10:44.01 | rozie | hello. does anybody have BCM4313 wifi and can run powertop? my seems to draw 4-6W of power, with txpower at 1mW |
| 10:44.06 | rozie | pretty much |
| 10:44.41 | rozie | using brcmsmac driver |
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| 10:53.20 | wm4 | hi, some packet changes /etc/uswsusp.conf upon installation/update, and replaces the perfectly fine swap device name with a wrong one |
| 10:54.01 | wm4 | I just noticed it when updating my nvidia drivers, it printed "cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to detect canonical device of /dev/sdb5" and changed uswsusp.conf |
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| 10:54.15 | wm4 | how can I prevent it from doing this? |
| 10:54.32 | wm4 | (also what does cryptsetup have to do with swap? I'm not encrypting my swap disk or anything) |
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| 10:55.17 | rozie | wm4: do you use UUID? |
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| 10:55.32 | rozie | and which packet did it? |
| 10:55.43 | wm4 | rozie: no, I was having "resume device = /dev/disk/by-label/swap1" |
| 10:55.58 | wm4 | I don't know which package does it |
| 10:56.14 | wm4 | most likely initramfs-tools |
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| 10:56.55 | CaneToad | hey does anybody know in debian 7 gnome desktop why some windows have a minimize icon at the top right but most windows don't have it? |
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| 10:58.23 | rozie | wm4: take a look on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574653 |
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| 10:58.47 | rozie | do you have /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume |
| 10:58.48 | rozie | ? |
| 10:59.01 | wm4 | yes |
| 10:59.13 | wm4 | it currently contains only this line: RESUME=/dev/disk/by-label/swap1 |
| 10:59.18 | wm4 | that's correct |
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| 10:59.41 | wm4 | even after some script put /dev/sdb5 into /etc/uswsusp.conf |
| 11:00.04 | wm4 | so maybe that happened after updating conf.d/resume, or whatever happened |
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| 11:00.27 | wm4 | actually /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume has a file date of 2009-09-29 |
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| 11:01.02 | rozie | run initramfs update manually and check if problem goes back |
| 11:01.17 | rozie | if so, it's a matter of initramfs config |
| 11:01.51 | wm4 | I did so, but /etc/uswsusp.conf was not changed |
| 11:02.14 | rozie | btw http://cs.potsdam.edu/cgi-bin/man/man2html?8+initramfs-tools |
| 11:02.46 | rozie | are you sure it shouldn't be resume device=LABEL=...? |
| 11:02.50 | wm4 | also tried "dpkg --reconfigure cryptsetup" but it didn't change the file |
| 11:03.07 | wm4 | should I? what I have works for sears |
| 11:03.09 | wm4 | *years |
| 11:03.25 | wm4 | except that it's occasionally overwritten by an unknown script |
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| 11:06.09 | wm4 | actually this is my problem http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=397214 |
| 11:06.53 | wm4 | I can't believe this has been open since 2006? |
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| 11:07.26 | wm4 | oh, actually it's closed |
| 11:07.31 | wm4 | no wonder I didn't find it before |
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| 11:13.45 | wm4 | ok it happens with dpkg-reconfigure uswsusp |
| 11:14.09 | wm4 | overwriting user config files, big wtf here |
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| 11:21.01 | rozie | wm4: I'd report a bug |
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| 11:33.37 | unr3al011 | hey i set my dns server in /etc/resolv.conf but after rebooting it is overwritten with my router's ip. how can i stop using my router as dns server? |
| 11:34.48 | petn-randall | unr3al011: You've either got it configured in /etc/network/interfaces, or you're overwriting it with resolvconf, or you're using network-manager. |
| 11:34.58 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell unr3al011 about override dns |
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| 11:43.12 | VipConsult | when I try to install php5-cli |
| 11:43.14 | VipConsult | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.22 | VipConsult | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.01 | petn-randall | VipConsult: Sounds like you're mixing releases. Can you paste the output of /etc/apt/sources.list? ==> http://paste.debian.net |
| 11:44.02 | VipConsult | when I do force install it is asking me to remove nginx and php5-fpm , but I am using these |
| 11:44.52 | VipConsult | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 11:44.52 | VipConsult | deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 11:44.52 | VipConsult | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free |
| 11:44.52 | VipConsult | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 11:44.53 | VipConsult | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-proposed-updates main contrib non-free |
| 11:44.53 | VipConsult | deb http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all |
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| 11:45.04 | petn-randall | facepalms |
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| 11:45.29 | petn-randall | VipConsult: I gave you that link for a reason. |
| 11:45.33 | jelly-home | ooh, squeeze, unstable and dotdeb |
| 11:45.51 | VipConsult | actually I tried with different ones |
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| 11:46.21 | jelly-home | VipConsult: your sources are almost completely broken, be very careful about installing anything |
| 11:46.41 | jelly-home | !tell VipConsult about bat |
| 11:46.48 | petn-randall | VipConsult: Can you use that the link I gave? I'm not sure everything got here before you were floodkicked. |
| 11:47.28 | VipConsult | let me do it now |
| 11:49.59 | VipConsult | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/8071/ |
| 11:50.17 | VipConsult | I changed the sourcelist to what is was before I did the changes |
| 11:50.29 | VipConsult | now the error when installing php5-cli is |
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| 11:50.47 | VipConsult | php5-cli : Depends: libdb5.1 but it is not installable |
| 11:51.15 | petn-randall | VipConsult: Ok, so you mixed sid, squeeze, and dotdeb on your system. That'll break your system, it probably is already now. |
| 11:51.40 | petn-randall | VipConsult: How many packages have you installed since you added sid/dotdeb? |
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| 11:52.18 | VipConsult | sid - none , dotdeb only for nginx |
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| 11:53.12 | VipConsult | but as far as I understand apt-get doesn't find the libdb5.1 package in the given repositories |
| 11:53.33 | VipConsult | that is why I tried with the unstable repo , but it gave another error |
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| 11:54.34 | VipConsult | when I did a search the libdb5.1 only exists in the unstable repo |
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| 11:54.50 | petn-randall | VipConsult: That is how you broke your system. NEVER mix stable and sid. |
| 11:55.07 | VipConsult | I see |
| 11:55.29 | VipConsult | anyway to fix now ? actually no packages were installed with the wrong mix |
| 11:55.49 | VipConsult | i changed it just a sec ago |
| 11:55.54 | petn-randall | VipConsult: Comment the sid/dotdeb lines in your sources.list, then run apt-get update. |
| 11:56.03 | VipConsult | ok |
| 11:56.32 | petn-randall | VipConsult: then provide the output of: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 11:56.47 | petn-randall | VipConsult: but to http://paste.debian.net |
| 11:57.13 | VipConsult | sure , sorry about the flood |
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| 11:57.55 | Nebukadneza | re-heho |
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| 11:59.15 | VipConsult | source list - http://paste.debian.net/8072/ |
| 11:59.20 | VipConsult | packages - http://paste.debian.net/8073/ |
| 11:59.23 | Nebukadneza | i want to install virtualbox-(ose-)source kernel modules using module-assistant for my kernel, linux-image-3.8-trunk-amd64. however, m-a thinks that my kernel headers aren't installed, but they are! m-a prepare tries to install them, but apt-get says linux-headers-3.8-trunk-amd64 is already the newest version. -- still, m-a doesn't want to build my modules ;( |
| 11:59.45 | T4shi | a comer |
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| 12:01.54 | VipConsult | now the error is different for php5-cli install |
| 12:01.55 | VipConsult | php5-cli : Depends: php5-common (= 5.3.3-7+squeeze15) but 5.3.19-1~dotdeb.0 is to be installed |
| 12:02.31 | Nebukadneza | uh, strike that question, dkms just magically succeeded building them oO |
| 12:02.49 | Nebukadneza | also, jelly-home, i have a working and booted testing again, without libc-fuckups. THANKS! |
| 12:03.00 | petn-randall | VipConsult: Stop trying to install packages while your system is broken, it'll only make it worse. |
| 12:03.17 | VipConsult | ok |
| 12:03.20 | jelly-home | dpkg, give Nebukadneza a cookie |
| 12:03.21 | dpkg | gives Nebukadneza a home-baked fortune cookie to cheer him up. |
| 12:04.04 | petn-randall | VipConsult: ok, the list of packages you pasted are those that aren't from squeeze, which is quite a list. |
| 12:04.37 | petn-randall | VipConsult: Especially mysql-5.5 is a problem, since you can't downgrade it. Do you have backups? |
| 12:04.46 | VipConsult | when I installed the system 3 years ago I needed nginx so I used the dotdeb repo , maybe at this time all these were installed |
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| 12:05.56 | VipConsult | yes I have backups , but recovering would be too much for me to handle since mysql has over 30 databases |
| 12:06.11 | VipConsult | why mysql-5.5 is a problem ? |
| 12:06.20 | petn-randall | VipConsult: Not plausible, mysql-5.5 didn't exist 3 years ago, and surely wasn't packaged then. |
| 12:06.36 | abrotman | is he using dotdeb? |
| 12:06.42 | petn-randall | VipConsult: Because if you downgrade, your mysql-5.1 won't be able to read the data. |
| 12:06.46 | VipConsult | strange , maybe I updated it recently , I can't remeber |
| 12:06.46 | jelly-home | it might be worth to upgrade the system to debian 7; on the other hand it might break whatever little is still working |
| 12:06.52 | petn-randall | abrotman: squeeze/sid/dotdeb :( |
| 12:07.07 | abrotman | hey, that's a surefire way to have nothing work well |
| 12:07.10 | VipConsult | at the moment everything is wokring actually , no problems |
| 12:07.12 | jelly-home | /nopony |
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| 12:07.40 | jelly-home | VipConsult: in that case, make a clone of the system and test upgrading to wheezy (debian 7) |
| 12:07.54 | petn-randall | VipConsult: You have two options: dump all databases, downgrade back to squeeze, restore all databases. |
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| 12:08.36 | petn-randall | VipConsult: Or you upgrade to wheezy, then downgrade any packages that are newer back to wheezy. This may save you from the mysql problem, but may make things worse. |
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| 12:09.40 | abrotman | dump the dbs, reinstall the whole thing from scratch? |
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| 12:11.15 | VipConsult | wow , reinstall is too much work right now . I have quite a few apps here with settings. I think I will forget about php-cli for now |
| 12:11.32 | VipConsult | ok thanks for the help |
| 12:11.41 | petn-randall | VipConsult: The problem won't go away from that. Your system is seriously broken. Fix it when you have the time for it. |
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| 12:12.36 | VipConsult | at the moment php , mysql and nginx work fine and I wouldn't need anything else on this server so I will leave it I think |
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| 12:13.22 | VipConsult | When you say the problem won;t go away ? what problem are you refering to as I only got these errors today when I tried to install php-cli |
| 12:13.41 | VipConsult | the other installed packages work well. |
| 12:14.10 | abrotman | VipConsult: can you install security updates, etc? |
| 12:15.12 | VipConsult | before today yes , I haven't tried now, but I can always revert to yesterdas system snaphost |
| 12:15.29 | petn-randall | VipConsult: YOU HAVE MIXED RELEASES. You system is inconsistent. You can't upgrade to a newer release without fixing it, and it might not even reboot properly. |
| 12:16.05 | VipConsult | I see , ok , I have to schedule the upgrade for next week then |
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| 12:18.03 | VipConsult | note taken - only main repo can be enable , either dotdeb or debian |
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| 12:18.34 | VipConsult | and can you switch form one to another ar have to use always the same , and if a package is missing you build form source. |
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| 12:19.25 | VipConsult | the problem to start with was that dotdeb had more updated version of nginx so I used it for that , but it was missing some other packages found only on debian repo |
| 12:19.30 | petn-randall | VipConsult: Pick your release, in your case squeeze. Don't add any other debian repos to it, like sid/wheezy/jessie or whatever. |
| 12:19.43 | jiohdi | any suggestions on which folders to use in backintime? |
| 12:19.55 | petn-randall | VipConsult: If you need newer packages, consider using debian-backports. |
| 12:20.15 | petn-randall | VipConsult: If those packages aren't current enough, think about backporting yourself. It's not that hard. |
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| 12:21.29 | petn-randall | VipConsult: If you, despite all warnings, decide to use dotdeb, and your system breaks, you get to keep both pieces. dotdeb is neither encouraged nor support in here, because of the low packaging quality of those packages. |
| 12:21.58 | petn-randall | *supported |
| 12:22.10 | VipConsult | ok, I will read about debian-backports. |
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| 12:24.00 | abrotman | low quality? *no* quality! |
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| 12:25.21 | alteregoa | i am from the hempire of ganjanistan, our gov. need a stable information system |
| 12:25.51 | abrotman | alteregoa: do you need help with Debian? |
| 12:25.58 | alteregoa | yes |
| 12:26.07 | alteregoa | http://pastebin.com/8kfMsXRi |
| 12:26.17 | alteregoa | can't get them running, it won't start resync |
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| 12:27.27 | abrotman | alteregoa: and what commands have you tried? |
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| 12:27.50 | alteregoa | mdadm --start --force /dev/md3 |
| 12:28.23 | alteregoa | mdadm -assemble /dev/md3 /dev/sdk1 till sdp |
| 12:28.30 | alteregoa | and assemble force |
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| 12:29.15 | alteregoa | one drive is defective afaik its /dev/sdm1 so i didn't use them in assembly |
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| 12:44.36 | galopo | hi |
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| 12:52.22 | petn-randall | Hello galopo. |
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| 13:03.07 | dekiss | is it easy to set up wifi driver on debian? |
| 13:03.30 | mumpitze1 | depends on your wlan chipset and how libre you want your installation to be |
| 13:03.33 | zykotick9 | dekiss: depends on the hardware in question |
| 13:04.42 | dekiss | laptop hp |
| 13:04.49 | dekiss | hp 550 |
| 13:04.59 | dekiss | will be hard? |
| 13:05.01 | mi2com | hey guys; does any one use 10GbE 4 port intel cards in PCIe to "multiplex" tcp out? or say cluster into and out of a haproxy node? |
| 13:05.06 | mi2com | to accellerate throughput of net |
| 13:05.22 | mi2com | out or in... to tier of say 40 compute servers receiving the data |
| 13:05.31 | abrotman | dekiss: we'd have to know the actual device inside the laptop |
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| 13:05.43 | dekiss | ok ll tell once i install debian sec :) |
| 13:05.45 | abrotman | mi2com: you mean bonding? |
| 13:05.46 | mi2com | yes it is easy to update wifi driver debian |
| 13:05.54 | mi2com | what type of laptop or wifi card do you have |
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| 13:06.21 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dekiss about firmware netinst |
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| 13:07.33 | Devil_Kin | hey folks - quick question. the json module was dropped from php5 in unstable, but php5-json isn't available (yet?) in the archive.. any other location i can get it? |
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| 13:07.52 | zykotick9 | dekiss: abrotman just sent you the firmware installer factoid, it's possible you don't need this (unless abrotman knows what chip is involved). just an FYI, as the firmware installer includes non-free :( |
| 13:07.55 | dekiss | thanks |
| 13:08.14 | mi2com | hmm what about php-pear or php5-pear |
| 13:08.16 | mi2com | or use composer |
| 13:08.20 | mi2com | to access any json module |
| 13:08.31 | themill | Devil_Kin: welcome to sid |
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| 13:08.47 | abrotman | zykotick9: it's likely broadcom or intel in an hp laptop, both need firmware |
| 13:08.50 | Devil_Kin | themill: been using it for ages ;) first time i bump into something like this, though |
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| 13:09.06 | themill | then you're lucky. It's a pretty standard situation |
| 13:09.11 | abrotman | Devil_Kin: this was announced somewhere ... |
| 13:09.19 | Wulf | Devil_Kin: does it provide the functions json_encode etc.? |
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| 13:09.40 | zykotick9 | abrotman: i'm sure you're right, i just wanted to point out the downside of the non-official firmware installer. |
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| 13:09.51 | themill | Devil_Kin: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/php-json_0~git~1+c05ebf+dfsg-2.html |
| 13:10.14 | Devil_Kin | themill: thx, couldn't find it in the incoming queue |
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| 13:10.50 | Wulf | Devil_Kin: I don't have this module installed but the json functions work |
| 13:11.10 | themill | Devil_Kin: of course not. It has to be reviewed and manually accepted first |
| 13:11.17 | jelly-home | themill: that's an ugly version |
| 13:11.23 | jelly-home | less than 0! |
| 13:11.27 | themill | indeed |
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| 13:13.24 | Wulf | Devil_Kin: never mind, I upgraded php and now I see what you mean :) |
| 13:14.19 | Devil_Kin | Wulf: indeed |
| 13:14.28 | Devil_Kin | themill: thx, gonna build it here so i can get on with my work :p |
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| 13:16.53 | themill | Devil_Kin: don't use unstable if you want to just get on with your work. |
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| 13:18.05 | jelly-home | or at least s/use/upgrade/ |
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| 13:22.13 | Wulf | jelly-home: I've been using unstable for many years now, it usually works quite well |
| 13:22.58 | jelly-home | Wulf: feel welcome to help Devil_Kin out of the mess, then |
| 13:23.18 | Wulf | but I could upgrade again, 940 upgraded, 85 newly installed, 30 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
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| 13:24.03 | daemonkeeper | Yes. Upgrading Sid soon after a release is always a good idea. Experienced Sid users know that. |
| 13:24.28 | Devil_Kin | jelly-home: it's already fixed for me |
| 13:24.44 | jelly-home | Devil_Kin: dammit jim |
| 13:24.48 | Devil_Kin | jelly-home: not like building a debian package is hard :p |
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| 13:25.39 | daemonkeeper | wut? |
| 13:26.10 | ashman22 | z |
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| 13:28.08 | raptor67682 | would you eventually know how to start xterm with enabling the german chars? |
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| 13:28.31 | Wulf | raptor67682: use utf-8 |
| 13:28.41 | raptor67682 | the big (upper case) ö ö is not supported? |
| 13:28.43 | Wulf | raptor67682: so don't even start to look for any special german settings |
| 13:28.55 | Wulf | raptor67682: wÖrks for me. |
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| 13:29.14 | raptor67682 | Wulf: no really? wow. how you do that ? and the double ss too? |
| 13:29.26 | daemonkeeper | WÖrkß I guess. |
| 13:29.35 | oldwzd | Ü |
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| 13:30.00 | Spawnrad | its not possible to apt-get install dcc-client please? have an error :( |
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| 13:30.07 | Wulf | raptor67682: I didn't do anything special. If you type "locale | grep LC_CTYPE", what does it output? |
| 13:30.16 | jelly-home | !tell Spawnrad about bat |
| 13:30.24 | Wulf | Spawnrad: what's dcc-client? |
| 13:30.34 | jelly-home | ,v dcc-client |
| 13:30.36 | judd | No package named 'dcc-client' was found in i386. |
| 13:30.49 | jelly-home | Spawnrad: doesn't seem to exist in debian (any more?) |
| 13:31.10 | abrotman | Spawnrad: what was that program meant to do? |
| 13:31.27 | abrotman | the only DCC i know is the anti-spam bit |
| 13:31.49 | raptor67682 | I now test with : xterm -en utf-8 |
| 13:31.50 | Spawnrad | yeah anti-spam |
| 13:32.01 | Wulf | raptor67682: answer my question, please |
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| 13:32.10 | eptalon | heyas |
| 13:32.22 | raptor67682 | sorry wuölf. I saw jkust after |
| 13:32.35 | abrotman | Spawnrad: i don't see those packages in Debian at all, though I think they were about five years ago ? |
| 13:32.48 | eptalon | suppose I have an audio file (.wav), what's the best way to split that into files of about 5 mins in length? |
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| 13:33.42 | raptor67682 | hi wulf. back so it tells: LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 13:33.58 | Wulf | eptalon: if it's in raw pcm format with a short header, use cat and split |
| 13:34.00 | raptor67682 | Wulf: is it not ok or it shall be ok? |
| 13:34.07 | Wulf | raptor67682: that's okay |
| 13:34.20 | raptor67682 | Wulf: strange then... I must test further |
| 13:34.38 | Wulf | raptor67682: do you have a German keyboard? |
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| 13:34.53 | raptor67682 | that utf problem is maybe the SSH connection, but I doubt, or screen maybe |
| 13:34.57 | raptor67682 | I have a german keyboard |
| 13:34.58 | eptalon | Wulf: example? |
| 13:35.15 | future28 | Hi everyone. I'm worried my debian workstation has been compromised somehow. How can I check to see if it's secure? |
| 13:35.22 | Wulf | eptalon: dd if=big.wav bs=44 count=1 of=header.wav |
| 13:35.25 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.26 | raptor67682 | (arg: 6) |
| 13:35.37 | raptor67682 | Wulf: I found the problem. I start xterm |
| 13:35.43 | Spawnrad | abrotman> erf idk i check if i can get it with wget |
| 13:35.51 | raptor67682 | and then I do : ssh user@ip . ok fine. and the Ö |
| 13:35.57 | raptor67682 | big ö does not work |
| 13:36.04 | eptalon | Wulf: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, stereo 44100 Hz ? |
| 13:36.06 | raptor67682 | it gives arg: 6 |
| 13:36.11 | Wulf | eptalon: dd if=big.wav bs=44 skip=1 | split -b 5000000 - small.wav |
| 13:36.22 | Wulf | eptalon: and then iterate over the output and use cat to prepend the header |
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| 13:36.36 | Wulf | eptalon: certainly not the best solution, but should work |
| 13:36.47 | Wulf | eptalon: make sure that "44" is correct, I didn't double check |
| 13:36.54 | eptalon | Wulf: I also have it as mp3.. |
| 13:37.50 | jelly-home | eptalon: um, does sox still exist |
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| 13:38.04 | Wulf | eptalon: or check http://wiki.audacityteam.org/index.php?title=Automation for other solutions |
| 13:38.19 | psichas | i wana play radio from mplayer, radio url looks like that: http://radio:8000/stream how to start streaming radio? |
| 13:38.35 | psichas | whet command wite? |
| 13:38.42 | eptalon | jelly-home: it does, and I have it on my machine. I just have no idea how to split the 57min file into 5 min chunks |
| 13:38.44 | Wulf | psichas: give me the correct url and I'll tell you |
| 13:38.51 | psichas | http://radijas.tau.lt:8000/stream |
| 13:39.13 | Wulf | psichas: "mplayer http://radijas.tau.lt:8000/stream" works for me |
| 13:39.30 | raptor67682 | Wulf: Does pressing the shift + ö produces an uppercase ö on your xterm? |
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| 13:39.38 | Wulf | raptor67682: sure |
| 13:39.53 | Wulf | raptor67682: so it works locally, but not via ssh on another host? |
| 13:39.56 | raptor67682 | Wulf: thank you. damn my config :( |
| 13:40.07 | raptor67682 | Wulf: YES!! |
| 13:40.11 | psichas | wulf big thx anyway :D that's easy :) |
| 13:40.16 | raptor67682 | Wulf: it does work on xterm but not after SSH |
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| 13:40.35 | Wulf | raptor67682: then it's most likely a problem with the remote host |
| 13:40.46 | Wulf | raptor67682: but I've never seem anything like this |
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| 13:41.22 | Wulf | raptor67682: you might want to check if the virtual tty receives it correctly on the master but then sends the wrong char to the application (e.g. shell) |
| 13:41.35 | Wulf | raptor67682: strace is your friend, go debug |
| 13:41.44 | wm4 | when I do "apt-get install kate=4:4.10.2-2" (I'm running sid, but that package is from experimental), I get a long list of stuff like "Depends: kate-data (>= 4:4.10.2-2) but 4:4.8.4-1 is to be installed" |
| 13:41.52 | wm4 | so how do I get apt-get to install these automatically? |
| 13:42.05 | raptor67682 | Wulf: my remote local is here: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=dVfncGjf |
| 13:42.39 | Wulf | raptor67682: okay, generate these locales |
| 13:42.49 | Wulf | raptor67682: what OS is on the remote? |
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| 13:43.01 | raptor67682 | Wulf: I run a debian stable |
| 13:43.04 | raptor67682 | on the remote |
| 13:43.05 | petn-randall | wm4: most likely the dependencies in sid are not available yet. |
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| 13:43.12 | raptor67682 | (squeetze) |
| 13:43.18 | Wulf | raptor67682: good. Then generate the missing locales |
| 13:43.35 | wm4 | petn-randall: well, they are in experimental, and apt-get policy shows them |
| 13:43.39 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.39 | Wulf | psichas: I don't understand a word. |
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| 13:43.54 | jelly-home | wm4: -t experimental to get the dependencies from it as well? |
| 13:44.01 | Wulf | raptor67682: locales-data or sth, I keep forgetting |
| 13:44.09 | jelly-home | wm4: or use aptitude |
| 13:44.21 | wm4 | jelly-home: oh, ok, -t works |
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| 13:44.50 | Wulf | raptor67682: no, "locales" was right, sorry |
| 13:46.30 | raptor67682 | Wulf: what right? locale -gen? |
| 13:46.40 | Wulf | raptor67682: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:46.47 | raptor67682 | As root |
| 13:47.14 | raptor67682 | it is praranoia insadne to use root for locale, no? |
| 13:47.22 | Wulf | raptor67682: as root. |
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| 13:48.00 | raptor67682 | Wulf: imagine that you are at school on debian shared machines. All students shall not ask the admin to change to their locales |
| 13:48.10 | raptor67682 | now lot of school have debian or unbuntu |
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| 13:48.35 | Section58 | oops |
| 13:48.47 | Wulf | raptor67682: the admin should install the locales the students require. It doesn't hurt anyone |
| 13:48.52 | Section58 | after doing an update... quagga restarted and it pushed me out |
| 13:48.59 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.00 | Section58 | however dpkg still seems to be running |
| 13:49.14 | Section58 | is there a way to continnue using that process |
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| 13:49.20 | Section58 | or do i need to kill it and start again |
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| 13:49.50 | natsukao | for those people which are in Canada: http://dpaste.com/1208472 |
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| 13:50.05 | jelly-home | Section58: the latter. Kill it, do a "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get -f install" and then continue |
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| 13:50.23 | Section58 | thanks dude |
| 13:50.50 | raptor67682 | the squeeze debian, install, shall at least install/generate by default the german language. this language is important one, as english utf-8 |
| 13:51.15 | jelly-home | raptor67682: important for German people, not everyone |
| 13:51.34 | raptor67682 | it doesnt take much kb... |
| 13:52.03 | jelly-home | raptor67682: it doesn't take much to pick the correct locale in the installer, either |
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| 13:52.19 | raptor67682 | tada !! my big ä ö works !! |
| 13:52.26 | raptor67682 | thank you Wulf ! |
| 13:52.31 | jelly-home | raptor67682: asking for a change of defaults because of your _specific_ situation is silly |
| 13:52.43 | future28 | Hi all. I am going to do a fresh install of debian and I want the latest. I want something that supports my laptops devices. How can I check which debian edition is best for me?> |
| 13:52.51 | future28 | I just need some guidance |
| 13:52.51 | raptor67682 | jelly-home: on debian server install, or debbootrap , I am not so sure if it does |
| 13:53.04 | raptor67682 | jelly-home: indeed. it is silly |
| 13:53.50 | Section58 | warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partitionless disk or to a partition. This is a BAD idea.. <-- lools, better sort that out before a reboot hehe |
| 13:53.57 | future28 | http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Asus-N53SV-Notebook.43709.0.html this is my pc |
| 13:54.13 | raptor67682 | jelly-home: maybe it could be nice that the user (not admin) can also run a sort of dpkg-reconfdigure locale (but not generating) to select user friendly which one he needs for hgsi console/xterm... |
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| 13:56.40 | raptor67682 | thank you jelly and Wulf. It is so much better to have those needed (for me) german chars. a pleasure. |
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| 13:57.23 | jelly-home | Möẗörḧëäd |
| 13:58.14 | thorsten_t_ge | Motorhead ? |
| 13:58.55 | jelly-home | well they only have a single umlaut by default |
| 13:59.08 | Delfyn1 | on a clean wheezy installation, i'm trying to install nvidia drivers as per wiki. i run 'apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms' and this eventually displays "Unpacking xkb-data-udeb (from .../xkb-data-udeb_2.5.1-3_all.udeb) ...dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xkb-data-udeb_2.5.1-3_all.udeb (--unpack):trying to overwrite '/usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.xml', which is also in package xkb-data 2.5.1-3" and then other packages give |
| 13:59.16 | Wulf | raptor67682: in German it's easy to do without umlauts. I guess that everyone can read e.g. "Oelpest" |
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| 13:59.54 | petn-randall | Delfyn1: Can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net, please? |
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| 14:03.05 | Delfyn1 | haha ... petn-randall, i ran the command again and it worked! the only difference is that in between, i installed a whole load of other stuff, thinking i'd come back to it later (now). I think there is a missing dependency somewhere. i'll work it out and submit a bug report. thanks! :-) |
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| 14:05.26 | petn-randall | Delfyn1: Or you're mixing releases. |
| 14:06.02 | mumpitze1 | petn-randall: a udeb can be only found on install ISOs. I really wanted to see this sources.list... |
| 14:06.19 | petn-randall | Delfyn1: I'd bet on that since normally a stable release doesn't have packages with conflicting contents like that. |
| 14:06.24 | mumpitze1 | the udeb from the installer conflicted with the normal package for the same purpose |
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| 14:09.48 | Delfyn1 | petn-randall, mumpitze, the sources.list is empty, but sources.list.d/* refer to local mirrors: http://paste.debian.net/8083/ the machine is preseeded and it really is an absolutely minimal installation .. no packages are installed during the main installation, stuff is only installed once the installation has completed. |
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| 14:12.06 | Delfyn1 | i repeated the installation and got exactly the same result. anyway ... instead of doing steps: a, b, c, install-nvidia (fails), d, e, f, install-nvidia (succeeds). i'll try after, d and e too, and hopefully narrow down which package i install is suddenly making it work. the exact error message is at http://paste.debian.net/8084/ |
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| 14:13.21 | themill | Delfyn1: installing a regular package shouldn't be installing udebs there's something very wrong there |
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| 14:13.29 | alteregoa | good morning i got a problem |
| 14:13.48 | alteregoa | http://pastebin.com/8kfMsXRi |
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| 14:14.04 | Delfyn1 | themill, understood. nevertheless, that is what is happening, i'll do some more checking and try to narrow it down a bit |
| 14:14.11 | Delfyn1 | later |
| 14:14.40 | themill | Delfyn1: are you including the udebs in your Packages file? |
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| 14:16.07 | Like | link ?? |
| 14:16.18 | themill | Delfyn1: I can only conclude from those pastes that there is something wrong with your local repo as apt shouldn't have access to udebs like that |
| 14:16.29 | Like | squeeze stable main 10 dvd |
| 14:16.50 | themill | Like: squeeze is not stable; wheezy is stable. |
| 14:17.00 | Like | sorry oldrelease |
| 14:17.35 | Like | im loking him for re download |
| 14:17.42 | Like | but no-luck |
| 14:17.46 | eptalon | ? |
| 14:17.53 | themill | dpkg: tell Like about install squeeze |
| 14:18.16 | jelly-home | alteregoa: whatever your problem with md raid is, try asking in #linux-raid if you don't get a response here. Be patient. |
| 14:18.24 | eptalon | Like: moost poeple use a netinst, and install packages from the net when needed |
| 14:18.34 | alteregoa | yeah i will ask the oracle in linux-raid |
| 14:18.40 | Like | looks in |
| 14:19.03 | eptalon | alteregoa: what prob? |
| 14:19.51 | alteregoa | it doenst start |
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| 14:20.03 | Like | ok i got a list and im on this .list ?? how to open quickly |
| 14:20.08 | alteregoa | raid5 consist of 6 drives, 1 drive ucked up last week but other 5 are ok |
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| 14:21.37 | eptalon | alteregoa: afaik, linux canb#t start from raid5 |
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| 14:21.54 | alteregoa | start up mdraid not OS |
| 14:22.07 | alteregoa | mdadm --start /dev/mdx |
| 14:22.27 | alteregoa | my os is on LVM SSD raid1 |
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| 14:22.50 | Like | kk :) love ----. |
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| 14:28.37 | seeker61 | where is a good place to ask c++ questions |
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| 14:28.55 | blubberdiblub | alteregoa, it's probably not related to your problem, but you're using the complete /dev/sdp as component while using partitions for all other components. is that intentional? |
| 14:29.04 | jelly-home | seeker61: look for a channel with something like /msg alias list *c++* |
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| 14:29.26 | alteregoa | that was a error during building up the raid5 |
| 14:29.29 | seeker61 | jelly-home: ok thans |
| 14:29.41 | alteregoa | i forgot to add a gpt partition to sdp so it is sdp and not sdp1 |
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| 14:31.22 | alteregoa | you see the event counter on sdm1, thats the "fail" disk |
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| 14:33.59 | blubberdiblub | alteregoa, but it's marked as clean. it should be marked as failed or something. that's probably why it's refusing to build the array. all drives marked as clean while the event counters don't match |
| 14:34.27 | alteregoa | but i assembled it without sdm1 |
| 14:35.36 | blubberdiblub | so you can assemble it manually? |
| 14:35.42 | alteregoa | no |
| 14:35.51 | alteregoa | it won't start even if i assemble it manualy |
| 14:36.02 | alteregoa | it always comes with an error started with 1 out of 6 drives |
| 14:36.02 | blubberdiblub | does it give an error message? |
| 14:36.57 | alteregoa | yes as i said before |
| 14:37.08 | blubberdiblub | what's the exact error message and what's the exact command you're using? |
| 14:37.27 | dvs | alteregoa: Can you mark it as failed, remove it from the array (not physically) and re-add it again? |
| 14:37.55 | T4shi | Hi I have a VM bridged in a debian 7.0 with a debian 7.0 guest and I only can see my host machine since the vm, Anyone could helpme? |
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| 14:38.31 | alteregoa | sudo mdadm --assemble /dev/md4 /dev/sdk1 /dev/sdl1 /dev/sdn1 /dev/sdo /dev/sdp |
| 14:38.32 | alteregoa | ok i do thaqt |
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| 14:38.57 | blubberdiblub | alteregoa, you will probably have to specify "missing" in place of the missing drive |
| 14:39.20 | blubberdiblub | alteregoa, and you will probably have to specify them in correct order |
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| 14:41.55 | alteregoa | mdadm: ignoring /dev/sdn1 as it reports /dev/sdk1 as failed |
| 14:41.56 | alteregoa | mdadm: ignoring /dev/sdl1 as it reports /dev/sdk1 as failed |
| 14:42.04 | alteregoa | but sdk1 is not failed |
| 14:44.12 | alteregoa | should i add assume clean? |
| 14:44.30 | blubberdiblub | that sounds dangerous to me |
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| 14:49.53 | Delfyn1 | hi again, re the udebs getting installed when i 'apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms' - it is that package or one of its dependencies that is pulling the udebs in - they are not installed immediately prior to installing nvidia-kernel-dkms. log of the install - showing udebs being pulled in - at http://paste.debian.net/8092/ |
| 14:51.00 | dekiss | hi |
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| 14:51.24 | dekiss | im making hdd partition with debian start up disk from usb, for swap partition i should choose Primary or Logical? |
| 14:52.20 | Delfyn1 | aahh ... i see it! ... |
| 14:52.40 | thaman | i'd say primary |
| 14:52.53 | Delfyn1 | spaetzle# grep installer /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
| 14:52.54 | Delfyn1 | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-wheezy.list:deb http://install.pasta.net/debian-wheezy.spaetzle/ wheezy contrib main main/debian-installer non-free |
| 14:52.54 | Delfyn1 | spaetzle# |
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| 14:53.04 | dekiss | What is Primary and Logical |
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| 14:53.15 | Delfyn1 | ok, i strip that and have another go |
| 14:53.16 | paddy | hello. what is the correct URL to pass to debootstrap for installing a deprecated Debian Lenny? |
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| 14:53.24 | thaman | unless you're making an individual partition for /, /usr, /home |
| 14:53.44 | thaman | umm, i don't even think lenny is installable anymore |
| 14:54.11 | paddy | it is archived |
| 14:54.12 | dekiss | guys on #linux suggested logical yo usay primary im confused :S |
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| 14:54.19 | paddy | and i know you can debootstrap it |
| 14:54.27 | paddy | but i forgot the URL to pass to it |
| 14:54.34 | mtn | dekiss: logical or primary will work fine. see wikipedia for definitions |
| 14:54.35 | paddy | to the "Release" file |
| 14:54.55 | dekiss | ok thanks |
| 14:54.58 | mtn | dekiss: you might want to read up on partitioning, as well |
| 14:55.00 | dekiss | there is no notable difference in both? |
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| 14:55.04 | dekiss | I am making swap partition |
| 14:55.16 | jelly-home | paddy: use the URL listed at /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
| 14:55.19 | zykotick9 | dekiss: it "might" not matter. MSDOS partition are limited to 4 primary partitions, using extended/Logical allow for more. |
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| 14:55.30 | paddy | jelly-home: thanks! |
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| 14:56.36 | dekiss | should I use beginning or end of available space? :S |
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| 14:57.01 | mtn | dekiss: doesn't matter |
| 14:57.04 | veek | what's the gzip, deflate setting in firefox network.... |
| 14:57.05 | jelly-home | dekiss: why oh why are you asking the same questions both here and in ##linux at the same time |
| 14:57.12 | jelly-home | dekiss: pick one channel |
| 14:57.29 | dekiss | jelly-home but I get different answer here and there thas why sry :S |
| 14:57.40 | dekiss | so I want to compare answers and pick best :S |
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| 14:57.51 | mtn | dekiss: read up on it and make up your own mind :p |
| 14:58.06 | jelly-home | dekiss: you don't have the knowledge to figure out what's best |
| 14:58.07 | dekiss | for swap area partition shoudl I set bootable flag? |
| 14:58.14 | Wulf | dekiss: no |
| 14:58.17 | dekiss | ok thanks |
| 14:58.24 | paddy | sits in the corner and feels bad |
| 14:58.38 | paddy | i asked on 2 channels aswell |
| 14:58.40 | dekiss | for main partition on which debian will e installed shoudl I choose primary or logical? |
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| 14:59.18 | paddy | dekiss: lets make up our minds, come on |
| 14:59.20 | coffe3k | Hello guys you can say im crazy but i need help with "streaming/listening" radio in my vps, actually i want to cheat on my friend's shoutcast radio, tried with mplayer but it failed it say no audio device |
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| 14:59.26 | paddy | you said you want to learn. lets read :D |
| 14:59.27 | dekiss | paddy ill ask here :) |
| 14:59.32 | dekiss | sry its first time i install debian |
| 14:59.39 | dekiss | i have installed ubuntu 5 years ago.. |
| 14:59.46 | dekiss | very little linux knowledghe |
| 15:00.02 | Wulf | coffe3k: what do you mean by "cheat"? |
| 15:00.03 | dekiss | paddy I have no time man i have to make lunch im not married |
| 15:00.09 | paddy | maybe we should start linux courses |
| 15:00.12 | paddy | online classes |
| 15:00.12 | dekiss | later il llearn i promise i must know these basicv things |
| 15:00.16 | jelly-home | coffe3k: tell mplayer to use a dummy audio device, -ao null |
| 15:00.20 | dekiss | but i though for now i just try to install debian :) |
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| 15:00.36 | petn-randall | Hi, I've got my root partition on a degraded array. It's intentionally that way for now. When I boot, I get dropped to the initramfs shell, can assemble it by hand and continue booting. |
| 15:00.39 | coffe3k | Wulf: i want to increase the total listeners, so to make it short, i want to open 20 screens with mplayer, that will make 20 "fake" listeners on that radio |
| 15:00.39 | dekiss | paddy linux coursees most definitively you knwo some? |
| 15:00.43 | paddy | problem is to find teachers :P |
| 15:00.57 | Wulf | coffe3k: then what jelly-home said |
| 15:01.17 | coffe3k | jelly-home: mplayer -ao null <adress> |
| 15:01.20 | petn-randall | however, I remember there's a setting to boot from degraded arrays, though I can't find it. dpkg-reconfigure -plow mdadm doesn't ask me any such question, and man mdadm doesn't say anything, either. |
| 15:01.22 | dekiss | jelly-home now you dont answer i must ask on #Linux |
| 15:01.23 | dekiss | dont blame me :) |
| 15:01.27 | dekiss | same question |
| 15:01.32 | jelly-home | coffe3k: 20 listeners all from the same IP, connected at the same time, might be suspicious |
| 15:01.46 | jelly-home | coffe3k: just sayin |
| 15:01.53 | coffe3k | jelly-home: doesnt matter, it just a small radio, they wont care |
| 15:02.06 | mtn | dekiss: you already got your answers, go read op on partitioning |
| 15:02.12 | mtn | op=up |
| 15:02.27 | dekiss | :( |
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| 15:02.34 | dekiss | mtn and who makes lunch man :D |
| 15:02.38 | dekiss | aww i need wife ffs |
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| 15:04.38 | Aww | marries dekiss |
| 15:05.18 | dekiss | woman? |
| 15:05.27 | paddy | :D |
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| 15:07.13 | petn-randall | dekiss: Please, take your cybering needs somewhere else. |
| 15:07.30 | silidan | hi, im on debian wheezy 32bit, how can i access a more extensive volume control for my soundcard (audigy 4) cause atm, i only can set the mainvolume |
| 15:07.54 | petn-randall | silidan: Change the sound card in your settings. |
| 15:07.55 | mtn | silidan: take a look at alsamixer |
| 15:08.12 | petn-randall | silidan: it's probably set to 'default' soundcard, atm. |
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| 15:08.38 | silidan | petn-randall: how to change the soundcard in my settings? |
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| 15:09.19 | petn-randall | silidan: depends on your desktop environment you're using. |
| 15:09.35 | silidan | petn-randall: do you mean settings->audio ? (im using standard gnome3) |
| 15:10.35 | petn-randall | silidan: I'm not using gnome, but you should be able to change the sound card you're configuring, and then get more controls. |
| 15:11.07 | silidan | mtn: thanks, also mixes at least shows me the different volumes when selecting the right soundcard in alsamixer |
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| 15:11.31 | petn-randall | How do I set up my Debian Wheezy system to boot from a degraded array? |
| 15:11.45 | mtn | silidan: welcome |
| 15:12.30 | silidan | so how do i : "change the sound card in your settings" in gnome3 ? |
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| 15:15.22 | nvz | I think thats part of a bigger question I for one cant answer, which is how do you change anything in gnome3? |
| 15:15.31 | nvz | hence why I dont use the crapfest |
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| 15:16.55 | abrotman | nvz: lots of ways .. you're just too lazy to figure it out :) |
| 15:17.04 | mtn | nvz: ignorance is bliss? |
| 15:17.10 | silidan | abrotman: name me one |
| 15:17.46 | nvz | abrotman: this is very true.. but in gnome2 it was intuitive.. didn't involve hunting for whatever xml files configure stuff that dont have any graphical means of being altered like when I could just right click something in gnome2 |
| 15:18.39 | nvz | I just feel like at this point in time gnome3 is a step backwards |
| 15:18.43 | abrotman | silidan: one what? |
| 15:19.03 | mtn | nvz: we don't care |
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| 15:19.19 | silidan | abrotman: one way to make sure i can set my different volumes of my soundcard with gnome 3 and not have to use alsamixer for that |
| 15:19.25 | nvz | mtn: fair enough. I'm on my way out the door anyhow. |
| 15:19.30 | abrotman | silidan: isn't that what PA is for ? |
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| 15:20.07 | abrotman | https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/109/pulse-audio-shortcuts/ .. sort of like that? |
| 15:20.15 | silidan | abrotman: PA allows me to set the mainvolume, and the volume of apps that use it, nice, but i have no way to set which channels get mixed for recording |
| 15:20.19 | abrotman | perhaps i'm mistaken |
| 15:20.30 | silidan | also PA does not know anyhting about jack |
| 15:20.36 | silidan | which su´ |
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| 15:20.55 | abrotman | assumes the 'cks' was following :) |
| 15:21.06 | abrotman | silidan: jack or jackd? |
| 15:21.13 | abrotman | (yes, there's a difference) |
| 15:21.26 | abrotman | silidan: I don't use jackd, so I wouldn't be much help there |
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| 15:22.58 | silidan | abrotman: yea i know, i mean jackd and i control it with qjackctrl... what i miss is the simple volume manager from gnome 2 in squeeze... it allowed me to do all i wanted to do... now that thing is just missing.... |
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| 15:24.02 | light_ | how do I use google chrome on debian? |
| 15:24.06 | abrotman | silidan: did you see the link i posted above? |
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| 15:24.10 | abrotman | light_: chromium is in Debian |
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| 15:24.55 | light_ | abrotman ah ok, i have chromium. how do I keep it up to date? |
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| 15:25.08 | silidan | there is gnome-alsamixer, but it only displays one of my 2 soundcards... too bad its the one i deactivated/dont use... |
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| 15:27.02 | abrotman | light_: like any other package |
| 15:27.18 | abrotman | silidan: the extensions really are pretty useful |
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| 15:30.24 | silidan | abrotman: and this extension is available in which package? or do i have to download it form sourecforge? |
| 15:31.01 | abrotman | silidan: use epiphany, go to that URL, it will let oyu install it |
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| 15:31.27 | abrotman | it's something built into epiphany to allow those extensions to install, not sure how you'd do it manually |
| 15:31.44 | zykotick9 | abrotman: i believe iceweasel works as well. |
| 15:31.45 | silidan | abrotman: then thanks no |
| 15:32.06 | abrotman | silidan: your call, good luck |
| 15:32.14 | abrotman | zykotick9: not last i tried .. but that was some time ago |
| 15:32.26 | zykotick9 | abrotman: it was working for me? |
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| 15:32.34 | abrotman | zykotick9: i just haven't tried in awhile |
| 15:32.54 | abrotman | i'm perfectly okay using epiphany to install extensions if they get the job done |
| 15:33.35 | blubberdiblub | silidan, xfce has a nice simple mixer app. i'm not sure if you can easily use it in gnome, tho |
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| 15:37.44 | silidan | guess ill just drop wheezy, i dont think its a good way to have to use workarounds for something that basic... back to squeeze |
| 15:38.00 | silidan | thanks for your time im out |
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| 15:38.06 | grimeton | setting APT::Immediate-Configure to "false" in apt.conf.d doesn't really have any effect. |
| 15:38.10 | grimeton | anything I could be missing? |
| 15:38.38 | abrotman | that's just silly ... |
| 15:38.47 | abrotman | i gave him a solutoin, he'd rather downgrade the whole OS |
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| 15:39.40 | mtn | abrotman: not only that, but gnome-alsamixer would work great, too |
| 15:40.07 | mtn | abrotman: he didn't look very hard |
| 15:40.45 | light_ | abrotman, how do I write: pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring package squeeze-backports as an APT line? |
| 15:40.59 | abrotman | what? |
| 15:41.02 | abrotman | light_: why? |
| 15:41.14 | dekiss | what should I put for Reserved blocks? |
| 15:41.23 | dekiss | im making main root partition for debian |
| 15:41.28 | grimeton | looks like upgrading from a minimal system from woody to sid isn't possible because apt always tries to configure packages that aren't installed |
| 15:41.40 | gics | hello, someone knows a collaborative way to write .odp presentation online? It should used in team not necessarily at the same time. I'd like a revisions system too and only open source project |
| 15:41.40 | abrotman | grimeton: not even close .. why would you thikn that? |
| 15:41.42 | light_ | abrotman im trying to have an up to date browser and it won't let me update iceweasel without the right key. |
| 15:41.57 | padma_ | Hello.I have some issues connecting to the wireless network automatically after booting.I have to run a command to set up the connection always. Is there any way to make the connection automatic? Like creating a launcher or something? |
| 15:42.01 | abrotman | light_: did you see the instructions at mozilla.debian.net ? |
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| 15:42.19 | grimeton | abrotman: because it tells me? |
| 15:42.22 | light_ | abrotman yeah, that's what im going off of. I don't know how to write it as an APT line |
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| 15:42.38 | abrotman | grimeton: woody is almost 10 years old .. of course you can't upgrade directly to sid |
| 15:42.49 | abrotman | light_: it gives you the line you need to add |
| 15:43.07 | abrotman | the flul instructions are right on that page |
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| 15:43.10 | abrotman | runs away |
| 15:43.12 | grimeton | abrotman: configuring packages that aren't installed is weird anyway - and imho the rror |
| 15:43.24 | abrotman | grimeton: PEBKAC .. good luck |
| 15:43.24 | mtn | padma_: network-manager? |
| 15:43.28 | grimeton | abrotman: and the fact that apt-gete ingnores the setting of APT::Immediate-Configure too |
| 15:43.31 | grimeton | abrotman: yeah right ... |
| 15:43.45 | abrotman | grimeton: woody is *10* years old .. sid is 0 years old .. |
| 15:43.51 | abrotman | !tell grimeton about firmware netinst |
| 15:43.52 | grimeton | abrotman: and the problem is where? |
| 15:44.00 | abrotman | you're the problem .. that won't work .. already told you |
| 15:44.06 | padma_ | no.. Network manager doesn't detect wireless until the command is run. |
| 15:44.09 | grimeton | abrotman: don't think so |
| 15:44.28 | abrotman | grimeton: okay, good luck .. |
| 15:44.34 | mtn | padma_: why not? paste all relevant info so we know what you are talking about. |
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| 15:45.12 | grimeton | abrotman: it can't be that the upgrade of a distro depends on the xserver-xorg-video-all package |
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| 15:45.20 | grimeton | abrotman: that would make the upgrade to sid for all servers impossible |
| 15:45.26 | grimeton | abrotman: not everybody runs X on their servers |
| 15:45.30 | grimeton | so it's a bug |
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| 15:46.29 | LordDeath | is there a reason why bash is still the default shell on debian and other distros? |
| 15:46.37 | LordDeath | afaik zsh or fish are much better |
| 15:47.07 | grimeton | LordDeath: feel free to install zsh and make it your default shell |
| 15:47.19 | LordDeath | already done ;-) |
| 15:47.32 | padma_ | tn : ok.My network card is BCM4313. I got the driver installed but it never connects automatically. I only have the option of using wired network.The command to run is : modprobe -r brcmsmac ; modprobe brcmsmac. I even made a shell script but I don't know the location to paste the script. |
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| 15:49.15 | mumpitze1 | padma_: check why it's not loaded properly on bootup, e.g. look at error messages in your kernel log |
| 15:49.30 | likevinyl | jjj, grimeton it's true about the shell :) |
| 15:49.32 | dekiss | I can;t seem to find something in installtion guide about Reserved block what should I put here? I am making primary root partition for debian |
| 15:51.03 | blubberdiblub | dekiss, do you mean the reserved block percentage? the default of 5% shout be fine for a / partition |
| 15:51.11 | blubberdiblub | *should |
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| 15:51.16 | bolt | I have a problem with my Asus Xonar U7 usb sound device... it shows up in /proc/asound/cards, and I can play sound on it with aplay or vlc. However, alsamixer gives me "cannot load mixer controls: Broken pipe" so I am unable to adjust the volume. Any ideas? (wheezy) |
| 15:51.18 | padma_ | mumpitze1 : Sorry but I'm new to debian. could you give me some detailed instruction on how to do so? |
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| 15:51.46 | mumpitze1 | padma_: check where and when it's loaded first in your /var/log/kern.log file |
| 15:51.48 | dekiss | thanks blubberdiblub |
| 15:51.57 | dekiss | Typical usage: standard? |
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| 15:52.25 | light_ | abrotman i got it working. thanks for helping me along |
| 15:52.26 | blubberdiblub | dekiss, yes, standard is fine. that sets the inode:blocks ratio |
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| 15:52.37 | dekiss | bootable flag: off? |
| 15:52.39 | mtn | padma_: did you follow this?: http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 |
| 15:53.09 | dekiss | what is bootable flag this means computer will boot in debian if I have other os installed? |
| 15:53.09 | blubberdiblub | dekiss, depends on if you want to boot from there. it's ignored by linux, but the BIOS uses it to determine if it should boot from the drive |
| 15:53.35 | dekiss | I have two oses on two partitions on c windows on d debian |
| 15:53.37 | blubberdiblub | dekiss, no, it doesn't. it just means that the drive is consired for booting by the BIOS |
| 15:53.44 | blubberdiblub | *considered |
| 15:53.46 | dekiss | I can choose in bios in which os will my computer boot or? |
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| 15:54.12 | padma_ | mtn : Yes I did. So everytime I boot,the connection to setup, I have to run the 2 commands. |
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| 15:54.36 | blubberdiblub | dekiss, usually it doesn't hurt setting the bootable flag, except for old BIOSes where you can't configure the boot order of the drives |
| 15:54.48 | jhutchins_wk | dekiss: The bootable flag is used to mark which partition MS DOS should boot from. |
| 15:54.55 | jhutchins_wk | dekiss: Not needed for linux. |
| 15:55.19 | jhutchins_wk | dekiss: Most Linux installations include a bootloader which will allow you to choose either Windows or linux. |
| 15:55.24 | blubberdiblub | jhutchins_wk, it's also used by some BIOSes to determine if they should consider the drive for booting at all |
| 15:55.39 | mtn | padma_: that command just reloads the module. don't know why that would be necessary |
| 15:55.40 | jhutchins_wk | dekiss: You can also make each partition boot by default and use the BIOS boot menu. |
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| 15:55.59 | jhutchins_wk | blubberdiblub: That may be, I've never seen one that did that. |
| 15:56.10 | blubberdiblub | jhutchins_wk, i had severals ones that did |
| 15:56.31 | jhutchins_wk | blubberdiblub: I thought you could only have one boot flag in a standard partition table. |
| 15:56.47 | padma_ | mumpitze1 : Nothing there in /var/log/kern.log |
| 15:56.51 | mumpitze1 | padma_: dpkg -l firmware-brcm80211 |tail -1 |
| 15:57.08 | blubberdiblub | jhutchins_wk, you can mark all 4 partitions bootable. it's dos fdisk that makes it a "radio button" flag |
| 15:57.12 | padma_ | mtn : I thought the same but it doesn't |
| 15:57.37 | iRiK | thanks debian, i can rerun an old ultra10 with wheezy version :) |
| 15:57.40 | mumpitze1 | padma_: there is lots there in kern.log |
| 15:57.55 | mumpitze1 | padma_: for example your command generated several lines |
| 15:58.12 | jhutchins_wk | What's the equivalent of modprobe.conf to force modules to load at boot? |
| 15:58.28 | blubberdiblub | jhutchins_wk, anyway, that's not what i meant. i meant that if there's none of the 4 partitions marked bootable, some BIOSes won't consider the _drive_ (as opposed to "partition") for booting |
| 15:59.01 | mumpitze1 | jhutchins_wk: /etc/modules |
| 15:59.15 | jhutchins_wk | THat may be what padma_ needs to look at. |
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| 16:02.24 | dekiss | ok thanks if I put boot flag on when computer boots it will ask me if I should choose win or debian to run? |
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| 16:02.42 | mumpitze1 | dekiss: no |
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| 16:02.49 | dekiss | hm |
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| 16:03.05 | dekiss | how to make my computer to ask me which os I want to run computer on when I start pc? |
| 16:03.07 | mumpitze1 | dekiss: you've been told that the flag is irrelevant and ignore by grub when it's installed to the MBR. |
| 16:03.18 | blubberdiblub | dekiss, the bootloader is what asks you to choose. the bootloader ignores the bootable flag |
| 16:03.19 | mumpitze1 | by installing grub2 properly |
| 16:03.24 | dekiss | what is grub and MBR |
| 16:03.41 | dekiss | mumpitze1 you have to tell in simple words im totally new to linux |
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| 16:03.42 | mumpitze1 | grub is the bootloader. MBR is where this all happens what you ask about. a sector on disk |
| 16:03.51 | mumpitze1 | dekiss: have you already installed debian? |
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| 16:05.13 | grimeton | dekiss: what are the other OSes you want to boot? |
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| 16:06.09 | dekiss | blubberdiblub how can I install bootloader? |
| 16:06.35 | johndoe | ive got a stable working net connection (wlan0), but every ~30 minutes eth0 comes up and screws my connection. any idea what can cause this? |
| 16:06.41 | dekiss | mumpitze1 I am installing it now im stuck at bootable flag |
| 16:06.51 | blubberdiblub | dekiss, the debian installer installs the bootloader at the end of the installation process |
| 16:06.52 | grimeton | johndoe: maybe the autosensing feature of the device itself? |
| 16:06.53 | dekiss | grimeton win |
| 16:06.55 | dekiss | 7 |
| 16:06.57 | grimeton | johndoe: check the logs |
| 16:07.03 | dekiss | i have win 7 on c: and debion 7 on d: |
| 16:07.06 | grimeton | dekiss: are you using good old mbr or the newer gpt stuff? |
| 16:07.15 | dekiss | i want pc to ask me when I start it in which os I want to boot |
| 16:07.36 | jeep | johndoe, unplug the cable ? |
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| 16:07.52 | grimeton | dekiss: that's something we got already, but you have to configure the bootloader to offer you the choices |
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| 16:08.26 | dekiss | so if I set bootable flag: ON it will not boot automatically in debian but bootloader wil lask me in which os I want to start pc? |
| 16:08.52 | grimeton | dekiss: you have to modify the config file of the bootloader (depending on which bootloader you use) |
| 16:08.52 | blubberdiblub | dekiss, the bootable flag is irrelevant for that |
| 16:08.54 | dekiss | ok |
| 16:09.03 | dekiss | how to configure bootloader its part of installation process? |
| 16:09.09 | grimeton | dekiss: some bootloaders work with the bootable flag |
| 16:09.10 | jeep | dekiss, the installer sets grub up auto magic did you reinstall windows after installing debian? |
| 16:09.23 | grimeton | dekiss: grub's config is in /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 16:09.28 | dekiss | i downlaoded official debian 7 from official debain.org website |
| 16:09.32 | johndoe | jeep: its not plugged in |
| 16:09.35 | dekiss | ok thanks |
| 16:09.37 | grimeton | dekiss: download the ultimate grub cd and check the settings this cd autogenerates on startup |
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| 16:09.42 | grimeton | dekiss: then use those settings :) |
| 16:09.45 | mtn | dekiss: why don't you finish the installation and see if it works okay. then come back here if you have problems? |
| 16:09.46 | grimeton | dekiss: or use refind |
| 16:09.51 | dekiss | jeep i didnt reinstaled win |
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| 16:10.24 | dekiss | mtn yes ill do that - thanks all for your help |
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| 16:10.49 | jeep | dekiss, did you install debian already ? it asks if you want to install the bootloader .. if you answer no .. then you end where you are |
| 16:11.31 | grimeton | dekiss: you can also drop grub and boot linux via the windows boot loader |
| 16:11.38 | johndoe | grimeton: r8169 0000:03:00.0: eth0: link down ; ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
| 16:11.48 | grimeton | johndoe: is that in the logs? |
| 16:11.50 | johndoe | yep |
| 16:11.59 | jhutchins_wk | Hm, Macedonia. |
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| 16:12.00 | grimeton | johndoe: again and again and again? |
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| 16:12.03 | johndoe | yep |
| 16:12.12 | grimeton | johndoe: then that's your problem |
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| 16:12.25 | johndoe | how do i find out what causes it? |
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| 16:12.38 | grimeton | johndoe: are there any error messages before or after this message that could point you into the direction of the service/script/whatever it creates it? |
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| 16:12.53 | johndoe | grimeton: nop :( |
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| 16:13.07 | grimeton | johndoe: worst case: comment eth0 out in /etc/network/interfaces then do a ifdown -a; ifup -a and wait if it still happenz |
| 16:14.14 | Mk558 | Guys, a quick question about HTML 4.01 -- do I need the <p> tag when I'm using CSS to define the width of the text body? |
| 16:14.16 | johndoe | grimeton: that could do it, thanks :) |
| 16:14.46 | Mk558 | It seems to render fine without it -- I'm backporting an XHMTL Transitional 1.0 page to HTML 4.01 Strict. |
| 16:15.01 | grimeton | Mk558: yeah, that apple looks alot like the orange you mentioned earlier |
| 16:15.11 | Mk558 | (Except Internet Explorer. I'll have to make a different stylesheet for that) |
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| 16:16.13 | s1ck | Hi! This morning, my emacs stopped starting - if I type emacs into a terminal it just stays there, no output at all. Any idea how to fix this? |
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| 16:16.26 | grimeton | s1ck: type in "vi" |
| 16:16.47 | s1ck | grimeton, yeah I know that works but I need emacs |
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| 16:17.10 | grimeton | s1ck: i'd move away my config files and check if it starts then |
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| 16:17.41 | jhutchins_wk | grimeton: WIth a hang like that I'd say something - conf file, temp file, default dir - has the wrong permissions or is otherwise locked. |
| 16:17.42 | jeep | wb turtlethumper |
| 16:17.49 | s1ck | grimeton, ok I will try that but I didn't change anything. it just stopped working |
| 16:17.52 | turtlethumper | thanks jeep |
| 16:18.01 | grimeton | s1ck: check jhutchins_wk answer |
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| 16:19.06 | Mk558 | Anybody else? |
| 16:19.27 | s1ck | grimeton, nope thats not the case |
| 16:19.43 | jhutchins_wk | s1ck: You're that sure? |
| 16:19.48 | grimeton | s1ck: as you may have figured out by yourself: I'm not exactly the emacs guy ;) |
| 16:20.00 | petn-randall | Mk558: offtopic, you might get a better answer in ##html. |
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| 16:20.35 | jhutchins_wk | s1ck: #emacs |
| 16:20.37 | s1ck | jhutchins_wk, yes my .emacs didnt change (is 766 actually, plus I own it) |
| 16:20.46 | Mk558 | If I'm using CSS to define the with the of the <body> and using <br /> for paragraph control... |
| 16:21.10 | jhutchins_wk | Mk558: Not exactly a #debian question. |
| 16:21.21 | jeep | s1ck, try mv .emacs .emacs-old then try starting it ? |
| 16:21.29 | Mk558 | I thought someone might know. :) |
| 16:21.29 | s1ck | jhutchins_wk, I guess it's distro related because I had to purge remove apt-build today (it messed up my apt cache/ package cache) to properly update |
| 16:21.31 | jhutchins_wk | Mk558: css is why I quit building webpages. |
| 16:22.06 | s1ck | jeep, tried that - no success :( |
| 16:22.25 | s1ck | it would give me errors if there was anything wrong with my config |
| 16:22.45 | jeep | s1ck, my next step would be strace emacs might seen something useful |
| 16:23.06 | jhutchins_wk | s1ck: you need to find someone who knows more about how emacs works, which is why I suggested #emacs. 600+ users, you should be able to get some help. |
| 16:23.15 | s1ck | jeep, wouldnt that be a bit overkill? |
| 16:23.30 | s1ck | jhutchins_wk, ok I'll give it a try |
| 16:23.40 | jeep | s1ck, not if your looking for an error |
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| 16:24.02 | jhutchins_wk | jeep: I think that's a good suggestion, but not many people know how to use strace. |
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| 16:24.21 | Nurbs | Is it possible to download "new" packages, that is those listed on http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html ? |
| 16:25.03 | jhutchins_wk | Nurbs: Typically you use the package manager to download/instal new versions of packages you already have installed. |
| 16:25.41 | jeep | jhutchins_wk, yeah i love it i think its quickest way to find what the problem is |
| 16:25.44 | Nurbs | jhutchins_wk: typically, yes. I would like to build one of those which is not in Debian archives yet, though |
| 16:25.52 | s1ck | jhutchins_wk, actually this was a good suggestion! I think my qtcurve library disappeared as they can not be opened "no such file or directory" |
| 16:26.30 | s1ck | but that shouldnt prevent it from opening |
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| 16:30.01 | padma_ | Thanks all! I found a solution. I added the script to /etc/rc.local and it works. |
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| 16:37.27 | xrayzor | having mucho trouble with deb |
| 16:37.40 | xrayzor | any experts around? |
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| 16:39.00 | Wulf | xrayzor: sorry, all the experts are on strike. |
| 16:39.18 | Section58 | :D |
| 16:39.34 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell xrayzor about survey |
| 16:39.38 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell xrayzor about adk |
| 16:39.40 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell xrayzor about asl |
| 16:39.42 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell xrayzor about ask |
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| 16:39.45 | petn-randall | damn butterfingers |
| 16:39.47 | Section58 | asl ? LOL |
| 16:40.05 | Section58 | i havn't heard that in like 10 years |
| 16:40.18 | petn-randall | me neither >_> |
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| 16:41.13 | Ghormoon | hi, any ideas what to do, when I have openssl 1.0.1e, cpu with aes instructions but it doesn't use aes-ni engine? on redheat it works :D |
| 16:41.28 | xrayzor | well, lets see, fresh install of debian wheezy, trying to get a realtek usb wifi adapter working. |
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| 16:41.46 | Wulf | xrayzor: it doesn't just work? |
| 16:41.48 | xrayzor | installed the realtek wireless drivers |
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| 16:42.16 | ^7heo | hey people |
| 16:42.25 | ^7heo | I'm trying to read some video with vlc |
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| 16:42.33 | xrayzor | my wifi was wpa2 protected, put in the correct password, kept asking me over an over for a authentication. |
| 16:42.34 | Wulf | xrayzor: is the interface recognized, i.e. does it shows in "ip link" and "iwconfig"? |
| 16:42.37 | ^7heo | the video is on my home server, so it's via sftp |
| 16:42.47 | ^7heo | and vlc says that the MRL cannot be opened |
| 16:42.56 | Wulf | ^7heo: what is "MRL"? |
| 16:43.03 | ^7heo | according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2012/10/msg00161.html there should be sftp support. |
| 16:43.10 | ^7heo | some sftp support* |
| 16:43.11 | Wulf | use sshfs |
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| 16:43.32 | ^7heo | Wulf: Media resource locator |
| 16:43.37 | xrayzor | yes, so i took down wpa2 from wifi, let it be unsecure. |
| 16:43.37 | ^7heo | Wulf: that's not the question |
| 16:43.42 | ^7heo | Wulf: I can use samba, ftp or anything also. |
| 16:43.44 | sayah | hi all, i am learning to use the menu list to configure grub4dos and i'd like to know what the language is called for the comands? |
| 16:43.50 | xrayzor | didnt get on, pulled the adapter, an reput it back in..it got on, but briefly. |
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| 16:44.00 | ^7heo | I wanted to know if the sftp support was compiled in... |
| 16:44.28 | xrayzor | went to update packages, and by the time i got there, it was connected but for some reason wasn't obtaining the internet |
| 16:44.33 | Wulf | xrayzor: what program do you use for configuring the wireless? NetworkManager? Wicd? something else? |
| 16:44.45 | xrayzor | standard network manager |
| 16:44.57 | Wulf | that means? |
| 16:45.07 | xrayzor | read up, some said stopping 'wpa-supplicant' could fix the problem, had no such luck. |
| 16:45.13 | xrayzor | (networkmanager0 |
| 16:45.29 | xrayzor | standard to me, means it was what was installed..looked for wicd, couldnt find it. |
| 16:45.46 | Wulf | xrayzor: I have only bad experience with NetworkManager |
| 16:45.54 | xrayzor | I'm rather beginnner, as you can see. please excuse that , i know its annoying dealing with "us" |
| 16:46.07 | Wulf | wicd usually works, if I just need to connect to a single network, /etc/network/interfaces can be setup |
| 16:46.37 | ^7heo | okay so the ftp support is not compiled in. |
| 16:46.39 | xrayzor | Is wicd a package i'll need to obtain and put onto the system manually? |
| 16:46.43 | ^7heo | great, thanks. |
| 16:47.01 | Wulf | xrayzor: no |
| 16:47.04 | xrayzor | An if not, i feel worse cuz I could not figure out how to install/configure wicd. |
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| 16:47.50 | xrayzor | ^^ hah love it |
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| 16:48.11 | Wulf | xrayzor: for a start, put this into /etc/network/interfaces: http://ideone.com/G2BF37 |
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| 16:49.43 | xrayzor | ok so replace whats currently there? |
| 16:49.47 | xrayzor | auto lo |
| 16:49.52 | xrayzor | iface lo inet loopback |
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| 16:50.08 | Wulf | xrayzor: don't replace this. Append! |
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| 16:50.15 | xrayzor | 10-4 |
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| 16:51.48 | sayah | nevermind, i think i answered my own question |
| 16:51.55 | xrayzor | ok, done. |
| 16:52.17 | Wulf | xrayzor: and uninstall or deactivate networkmanager |
| 16:52.50 | Seekanet | bans *!*@127.0.0.1 |
| 16:53.30 | dekiss | whats the default desktop gui for debian? |
| 16:54.51 | Vicissitude | the installer offered a choice iirc |
| 16:54.56 | jelly-home | dekiss: gnome |
| 16:55.04 | turtlethumper | yep gnome 3 |
| 16:55.08 | xrayzor | Wulf: removed. |
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| 16:58.57 | dekiss | jelly-home thanks |
| 16:59.06 | dekiss | and turtlethumper |
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| 16:59.29 | turtlethumper | dekiss, np |
| 16:59.42 | jonkri | is there some easy way i can get libgmp.so.3 in debian wheezy? |
| 17:00.12 | jelly-home | jonkri: is that too new, or too old for wheezy? |
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| 17:00.42 | jonkri | jelly: too old, i think |
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| 17:01.13 | jelly-home | I guess you can search for it in oldstable |
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| 17:01.18 | babilen | Package would be libgmp-dev, but no idea about the version. |
| 17:01.24 | babilen | judd: v libgmp-dev |
| 17:01.26 | judd | Package: libgmp-dev on i386 -- jessie: 2:5.0.5+dfsg-2; wheezy: 2:5.0.5+dfsg-2; sid: 2:5.1.2+dfsg-1 |
| 17:01.32 | jelly-home | judd: file libgmp.so.3 --release squeeze |
| 17:01.36 | judd | Search for libgmp.so.3 in squeeze/i386: libgmp3c2: usr/lib/libgmp.so.3 |
| 17:01.39 | rozie | there's libgmp10 in testing/unstable |
| 17:02.01 | jelly-home | and there you are. |
| 17:02.14 | Section58 | thats werid cause the website says libgmp.so.3 is null |
| 17:02.17 | xrayzor | Wulf: still there ? |
| 17:02.17 | Section58 | over all packages |
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| 17:02.35 | babilen | Might be possible to recompile it against the newer libgmp version, or run it in a squeeze chroot/vm if not ... |
| 17:03.05 | jelly-home | keeping old libraries with a different soname is usually not a federal issue |
| 17:03.20 | rozie | even symlink libgmp.so.3 -> libgmp.so.3 may be enough |
| 17:03.27 | jelly-home | rozie: don't do that. |
| 17:03.29 | rozie | even symlink libgmp.so.3 -> libgmp.so.10 may be enough |
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| 17:03.48 | jelly-home | there are always valid reasons for a soname change |
| 17:04.13 | zinx | not always, but always when the developers aren't dumbasses :P |
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| 17:04.59 | rozie | if some 3rd party binary package rely on libgmp.so.3, and works with the symlink... no harm done |
| 17:05.00 | jelly-home | I mean, within debian |
| 17:05.03 | jonkri | jelly-home: i'm on amd64. there is no libgmp3c2 package |
| 17:05.08 | jelly-home | jonkri: in squeeze? |
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| 17:05.23 | jelly-home | ,v libgmp3c2 --arch amd64 |
| 17:05.24 | judd | Package: libgmp3c2 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:4.3.2+dfsg-1 |
| 17:05.30 | jonkri | jelly-home: ah, no, i'm on wheezy, sorry |
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| 17:05.45 | Wulf | xrayzor: no |
| 17:06.02 | Wulf | xrayzor: so, does it work now? |
| 17:06.45 | jonkri | rozie: would libgmp10 in testing/unstable offer that file? |
| 17:07.08 | rozie | jonkri: only libgmp.so.10 |
| 17:07.10 | jelly-home | jonkri: just install the library from squeeze |
| 17:07.20 | xrayzor | no, it doesnt get online. wicd i dont think is installed. |
| 17:07.52 | jelly-home | jonkri: if you're uncomfortable with that, make a separate squeeze chroot and use your binary in there |
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| 17:08.00 | Wulf | xrayzor: try 'ifup wlan0' |
| 17:08.03 | jonkri | rozie: thanks |
| 17:08.07 | Wulf | xrayzor: and check the log files |
| 17:08.15 | jonkri | jelly-home: will it risk messing up my current libgmp? |
| 17:08.37 | jelly-home | jonkri: it shouldn't |
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| 17:10.29 | xrayzor | Wulf: wherre would the log be? |
| 17:11.21 | Wulf | xrayzor: /var/log/ |
| 17:13.02 | xrayzor | dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8 |
| 17:13.12 | xrayzor | dhclient: No DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 17:13.24 | xrayzor | dhclient: No working leases in persistant database - sleeping. |
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| 17:14.50 | Wulf | xrayzor: that part isn't very interesting |
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| 17:15.11 | Wulf | xrayzor: how can you paste this without networking access? |
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| 17:15.35 | xrayzor | not pasted. retyped |
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| 17:16.13 | Section58 | man that is dedication |
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| 17:16.44 | Wulf | xrayzor: search for something like [ 57.166997] wlan0: authenticate with c0:25:06:82:f3:96 |
| 17:17.00 | mumpitze1 | xrayzor: iwlist scanning |grep SSID does this return some APs? |
| 17:17.31 | xrayzor | bash: iwlist: command not found |
| 17:18.08 | mumpitze1 | xrayzor: /sbin/iwlist and you should run it as root |
| 17:19.05 | xrayzor | root@debian:/# /sbin/iwlist |
| 17:19.14 | xrayzor | bash: /sbin/iwlist: No such file or directory |
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| 17:19.47 | xrayzor | why would i not have iwlist, is that not default for install? |
| 17:20.14 | mumpitze1 | it's part of wireless-tools |
| 17:20.26 | mumpitze1 | which you really should have to use wlan imho |
| 17:20.57 | xrayzor | ok so something i should obtain and get installed. |
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| 17:23.11 | peterrooney | Section58: people get real dedicated when they feel their connectivity threatened. |
| 17:23.35 | peterrooney | I hung upside down for an hour, once. |
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| 17:24.04 | Section58 | i know right, if the internet goes.. its the only time i go under my desk to check wires |
| 17:24.57 | xrayzor | i have the internet..:P |
| 17:25.01 | xrayzor | i have a netbook. |
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| 17:25.19 | jonkri | thanks jelly-home, it worked :) |
| 17:25.27 | xrayzor | none with debian, and i am too anxious to have it up an working. |
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| 17:26.00 | xrayzor | so yes, I am dedicated, not only that, but very new, and if someone will give me their time to help me, I value it. |
| 17:26.46 | xrayzor | tried asking on efnet, and response was to research it. I exhausted my "research" ability, and failed. |
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| 17:28.15 | mumpitze1 | xrayzor: do you have a usb stick? download a few things from packages.debian.org and then you can install it in your debian installation |
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| 17:29.02 | xrayzor | yes, as i plan to do. I think i honestly screwed up..earlier did an aptitude install wicd |
| 17:29.28 | xrayzor | and failed to read, and clicked yes to continue, and all i saw was 'removing' probably 60-70 packages. |
| 17:30.07 | xrayzor | curious if i need a fresh install to go forth after that n00b moment. |
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| 17:31.55 | mumpitze1 | xrayzor: what wlan chip is it? |
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| 17:33.29 | xrayzor | rtl8192cu |
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| 17:34.13 | mumpitze1 | xrayzor: have you installed a firmware package for it? |
| 17:34.20 | mumpitze1 | !rtl8192cu |
| 17:34.20 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8188CUS and RTL8192CU are USB 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192cu) is in mainline since Linux 2.6.39. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. Not to be confused with the <rtl8192su> driver. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 17:37.03 | xrayzor | believe so |
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| 17:37.19 | xrayzor | installed a realtek firmware...hah (correct or not, not sure) |
| 17:37.42 | mumpitze1 | don't belive, check for the files dpkg mentioned above in /lib/firmware |
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| 17:39.06 | xrayzor | installed firmware-realtek |
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| 17:42.06 | xrayzor | think i got it finaly. |
| 17:42.07 | xrayzor | brb |
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| 17:42.16 | ks_ | how do I start gnome gui on remote machine without logging in? I've googled and found something about non-interactive mode. All I need is my remote machine to run Firefox without me logging in through xrdp. |
| 17:42.57 | suy | ks_: if you only want one application without logging in completely, use xpra |
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| 17:43.20 | suy | but I don't know how fast is across a slow link |
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| 18:07.30 | woshty | I did freshly install wheezy with lightdm and openbox. It won't let me use shutdown/reboot in either lightdm or openbox. I did set something like AdminIdentities=unix-user:foo. That worked for openbox but did nothing for lightdm ofc. And it is not (far more than) what I want. I do not want to be admin, I just want to be able to shut the machine down from lightdm or openbox. Mounting via the filemanager seems to work fine without the polkit modification. The s |
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| 18:10.06 | musca | woshty: your line was too long and cut after ... polkit modification. The s |
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| 18:10.59 | woshty | musca: Hmm .. and i can not cut and paste yet :/ |
| 18:11.17 | SARC | I am having some issues with gcc/g++ on wheezy that I never had before in squeeze. I am getting an error: "program g++ not found in PATH" |
| 18:11.27 | SARC | I have installed gcc, g++, and build-essential packages. |
| 18:11.57 | musca | woshty: history with <cursor up>? |
| 18:12.00 | woshty | The session is active and local. On some other machine, I remember editing some XML files related to polkit - but I am not certain what that was. Any ideas? |
| 18:12.24 | woshty | musca: Was not that much .) |
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| 18:14.03 | Arrowmaster | woshty: consolekit might help |
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| 18:15.50 | woshty | Arrowmaster: It is installed. And I think something is working - as mounts are working. It is just like permission to shut down is switched off somehow .. |
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| 18:16.48 | Arrowmaster | not sure if lightdm automatically uses it |
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| 18:17.44 | Arrowmaster | is console-kit-daemon running? |
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| 18:21.47 | woshty | Arrowmaster: lightdm should use it in wheezy. and yes, consolekit daemon is running .. and I found the xml files I was looking for in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions. Taking a look inside, I might have messed up :/ I am not sure if I was logged in on tty1 earlier. Have to test. |
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| 18:22.58 | superlinux-hp | hi |
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| 18:23.05 | ketsa | Hi all, just installed debian7 on my desktop. need pointer how to setup drivers for ATI HD 5770 correctly ? |
| 18:24.17 | musca | !radeon |
| 18:24.18 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 18:25.29 | superlinux-hp | i have a partition image that i made as a backup. now i am making a revision on it and i am deleting obsolete files. of course there will be a a free space in the partition image. how can i shrink it |
| 18:25.34 | superlinux-hp | ?? |
| 18:25.58 | ketsa | musca: Thanks, recommendation is use open-source or proprietaryx driver ? |
| 18:26.06 | superlinux-hp | this image was done using dd |
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| 18:27.01 | musca | ketsa: radeon is already active, i guess. |
| 18:27.36 | musca | ketsa: if you are not satisfied look at fglrx in non-free |
| 18:27.47 | musca | !fglrx dkms |
| 18:27.48 | dpkg | For Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf». Restart your system to enable the <radeon> blacklist. |
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| 18:28.42 | ketsa | musca: Well gnome3 refuses to start, I guess its not already active. I'll have a look at those links, thanks. |
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| 18:29.26 | musca | ketsa: you do need the firmware-linux-nonfree package for radeon. |
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| 18:29.49 | superlinux-hp | i have a partition image that i made as a backup. now i am making a revision on it and i am deleting obsolete files. of course there will be a a free space in the partition image. how can i shrink it |
| 18:29.50 | superlinux-hp | this image was done using dd |
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| 18:37.58 | LordDeath | I have installed the xserver-xorg-video-vmware package and the vmware tools in wheezy |
| 18:38.07 | LordDeath | but still no 3D mode for gnome shell |
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| 18:39.28 | jeep | superlinux-hp, try this ?http://www.tehfear.com/2007/10/08/resize-loop-disk-image/ |
| 18:39.36 | matt1 | musca: just installed linux-firmware-nonfree : still no gnome3. |
| 18:39.37 | superlinux-hp | ok |
| 18:39.39 | matt1 | !fglrx |
| 18:39.39 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon HD and FirePro graphic processing units. As of fglrx-driver 1:12-6~beta-1, R600 and R700 based GPUs (Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series) are no longer supported; ask me about <fglrx legacy> or use the <radeon> driver for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:39.58 | abudhabi | Hi. I've got a debian testing here, with Gnome Classic. However, the bottom panel, the one where minimized windows go, no longer shows minimized windows. I've tried relogging, it didn't help. |
| 18:40.01 | superlinux-hp | jeep, re-paste the link please |
| 18:40.11 | jeep | http://www.tehfear.com/2007/10/08/resize-loop-disk-image/ |
| 18:40.15 | superlinux-hp | thanks |
| 18:40.32 | musca | LordDeath: does your vmware product support wheezy? |
| 18:40.36 | ketsa | !fglrx dkms |
| 18:40.36 | dpkg | For Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf». Restart your system to enable the <radeon> blacklist. |
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| 18:40.55 | musca | ketsa: i'd go for dkms |
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| 18:41.07 | musca | ah, good |
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| 18:42.07 | musca | ketsa: drop that command into a rootshell and you are done. |
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| 18:44.29 | ketsa | musca: damn I cant copy text in that broken gnome :/ |
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| 18:44.38 | abudhabi | The panel appears to be there. I can alt-click it to get at its properties, but the windows I have open don't show up on it. What gives? |
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| 18:51.28 | ketsa | !fglrx dkms |
| 18:51.28 | dpkg | For Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf». Restart your system to enable the <radeon> blacklist. |
| 18:52.21 | woshty | Arrowmaster: I did mess up. There was a difference whether just the one user issueing the command is logged in or others are as well. I fixed that. |
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| 18:56.23 | abudhabi | Nevermind! Finally googled up something relevant. Someone had the same problem in Ubuntu. |
| 18:56.33 | abudhabi | Solvable by adding a window list to the panel. |
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| 18:57.06 | ketsa | !fglrx dkms |
| 18:57.07 | dpkg | For Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf». Restart your system to enable the <radeon> blacklist. |
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| 19:01.21 | fongseiyuc | Hi. I am installing Debian via NetInstall CD in Expert Mode. How can install a custom Kernel.deb and Initrd.deb instead of the kernel displayed ? |
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| 19:02.45 | superlinux-hp | jeep, thanks |
| 19:03.17 | jeep | superlinux-hp, np glad it helped |
| 19:03.30 | superlinux-hp | it's just two commands to shrink: e2fsck -f image_file && resize2fs -M image_file |
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| 19:03.45 | superlinux-hp | -M just deletes the empty space |
| 19:04.10 | superlinux-hp | it chops it off |
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| 19:04.42 | fongseiyuc | I htink i knwo how its done ... thanx anyway |
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| 19:09.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | whats the debian pastebin site |
| 19:09.42 | musca | !paste |
| 19:09.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 19:14.17 | piukeman | Any idea or clue why the hell I got this message error "/etc/init.d/cdp-server : cdpserver (no pid file) not running" |
| 19:14.56 | piukeman | I am trying to run serverbackup software |
| 19:15.36 | lorenzoo | Hi everybody! I had a problem with a dev server that I mantening. I made a upgrade from squeeze to wheezy and some package now are missing or broken, I guess that the most critical that give me probkem is tge udev package that make unusable my usb keyboard... There is strategie to reciver at least my keyboard and login and fix tge broken packes? Thank for any idea/ advice |
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| 19:17.26 | musca | lorenzoo: is there ssh connect to your server? |
| 19:17.31 | lorenzoo | nope |
| 19:17.39 | musca | too bad! |
| 19:18.31 | lorenzoo | usually yes, but now I have no access. I see that the server start and arrive to the login screen, but in between several error are displayed |
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| 19:19.59 | lorenzoo | There is a flag that we can set in grub (at this point the keyboard is working) for solve the usb problem at least for the keyboard? |
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| 19:22.27 | lorenzoo | The other way, I thinking about run a live version of debian on the server and with chroot fix the udev, is a good idea? |
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| 19:26.18 | stemid | am I supposed to be able to run GET / HTTP/1.0 in bash and get a html output listing of my filesystems /? because I just accidentally ran that when netcat timed out on me, and it listed the contents of / in html format. I tried it on two other debian machines and it does the same there, also one ubuntu. is this a feature or did someone install something on my servers? |
| 19:26.27 | stemid | I have no GET alias |
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| 19:26.57 | stemid | oh I see now, /usr/bin/GET |
| 19:26.58 | stemid | lol |
| 19:27.06 | stemid | it's lwp-request |
| 19:27.12 | stemid | nevermind then |
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| 19:29.54 | jelly-home | you wouldn't even notice if you had not pasted that manual http request into the shell! |
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| 19:32.11 | Ketsa | musca: Thanks. I have gnome3 running now. |
| 19:32.22 | musca | cool! |
| 19:32.36 | musca | hard work, sweet success! |
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| 19:34.11 | Ketsa | Next problem : at boot the kernel stays 1 minute at "Loading, please wait..." any ideas ? |
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| 19:41.31 | zomfg | helo |
| 19:41.47 | zomfg | how can i install gdebi from usb |
| 19:41.59 | moof2 | is there something in debian that can render scores defined by a music xml file? |
| 19:42.01 | zomfg | if i dont have network |
| 19:42.07 | moof2 | maybe into pdfs |
| 19:42.23 | moof2 | what's a gdebi? |
| 19:42.40 | zomfg | its a deb file instaler |
| 19:42.44 | zomfg | lol |
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| 19:43.13 | moof2 | , versions gdebi |
| 19:43.15 | judd | Package: gdebi on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.4+squeeze1; wheezy: 0.8.7; jessie: 0.9; sid: 0.9 |
| 19:43.18 | zomfg | installed wheezy on macbook air |
| 19:43.20 | zomfg | lol |
| 19:43.29 | zomfg | its prety dam awesome |
| 19:43.31 | moof2 | it exists... good start |
| 19:43.32 | zomfg | everything works |
| 19:43.47 | zomfg | didnt have to run any scripts |
| 19:43.51 | babilen | moof2: You might want to look into lilypond (sorry, can't help you further) |
| 19:43.55 | zomfg | even the keyboard lights work |
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| 19:44.06 | babilen | removes zomfg's enter key |
| 19:44.27 | moof2 | lilypond, I have that installed (dep of rosegarden) |
| 19:44.27 | zomfg | function keys work |
| 19:44.56 | moof2 | so you want to install a .deb and you don't (and won't ever?) have net? |
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| 19:45.13 | zomfg | lol |
| 19:45.17 | moof2 | what are those offline package installer things? |
| 19:45.23 | zomfg | trying to install broadcom |
| 19:45.24 | babilen | zomfg: I don't quite understand what you are trying to do. You typically install programs from online repositories using package managers such as apt-get/aptitude (command line) or synaptic (GUI) -- This is, for example, discussed in http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html |
| 19:45.26 | zomfg | and net tools |
| 19:45.37 | zomfg | babilen, bro |
| 19:45.45 | zomfg | im not a noob |
| 19:46.03 | zomfg | but i dont know how to install stuf w out NET |
| 19:46.04 | babilen | zomfg: Please, "lol" - "bro" and whatnot help us nothing in resolving your problem. |
| 19:46.11 | zomfg | since thats how linux always does it |
| 19:46.24 | moof2 | also "noob" :) |
| 19:46.31 | babilen | Why don't you have a working network connection? |
| 19:46.42 | zomfg | help a friend wud ya |
| 19:46.42 | jelly-home | zomfg: apt-zip is one way |
| 19:46.53 | zomfg | i dont have NET |
| 19:46.57 | zomfg | its wifi only |
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| 19:47.08 | jelly-home | zomfg: /msg dpkg apt-zip |
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| 19:47.29 | zomfg | can u jus give me steps |
| 19:47.42 | zomfg | to install broadcom and wirelesstools |
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| 19:47.50 | moof2 | zomfg. a;right... so can you give us a focused idea of one thing (maybe the most important? but that's up to you) that you want? |
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| 19:48.08 | moof2 | so you want your wireless working to start with |
| 19:48.22 | zomfg | ya then i fill soar the skies |
| 19:48.28 | zomfg | will |
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| 19:48.30 | babilen | zomfg: Why is your wifi not working? Are you not in its radius? Is it not working because you forgot to put firmware on the installer or didn't download one with firmware? Is it not working because you did a netinstall, but were unable to configure your network because you didn't have firmware and therefore ended up without a desktop and network tools? |
| 19:48.38 | moof2 | lspci -nn | grep -i net | wc -l |
| 19:48.39 | zomfg | jesus fuking chrizt |
| 19:48.46 | moof2 | run that |
| 19:48.50 | zomfg | why |
| 19:48.51 | moof2 | tell us what comes out |
| 19:48.55 | zomfg | its there |
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| 19:49.07 | zomfg | i need the drivers |
| 19:49.14 | moof2 | so that we can figure which driver and which firmware... so we can help you |
| 19:49.21 | moof2 | because you asked |
| 19:49.21 | zomfg | its macbook ait |
| 19:49.24 | zomfg | air |
| 19:49.27 | zomfg | 2011 |
| 19:49.35 | zomfg | those drivers |
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| 19:49.48 | babilen | zomfg: Please don't swear in here. You really shouldn't end up in a situation in which you don't have a working network connection. So, please answer my questions and start speaking coherently and cohesively. *please* |
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| 19:50.19 | zomfg | babilen, i dont have all week |
| 19:50.20 | moof2 | the debian devs are working pretty hard to support all the drivers |
| 19:50.27 | babilen | zomfg: You, naturally, can download whatever packages you require, put them on an USB stick and install them with "dpkg -i /path/to/the.deb" but you shouldn't really have to do that. |
| 19:50.39 | zomfg | oh |
| 19:50.40 | zomfg | yes |
| 19:50.50 | zomfg | thats waht started doing |
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| 19:51.13 | zomfg | so i went to the site |
| 19:51.17 | zomfg | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gdebi |
| 19:51.28 | moof2 | zomfg, just ao you know, you're expecting us to help while you refuse to answer questions |
| 19:51.30 | babilen | zomfg: I doubt that you require gdebi to get your network running. |
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| 19:51.46 | zomfg | babilen, ok so how :D |
| 19:51.53 | moof2 | I don't care anything about rules, and that's not ok WITH ME |
| 19:52.08 | ompaul | zomfg: you have been asked many questions and answered exactly NONE |
| 19:52.23 | zomfg | i also downloaded broadcom-sta-dkms_5.100.82.112-8_all.deb |
| 19:52.32 | zomfg | and wireless-tools_30~pre9-8_amd64.deb |
| 19:52.32 | ompaul | zomfg: which may or may not be right for you |
| 19:52.44 | moof2 | if you want to install that, put dpkg -i (that).deb |
| 19:52.47 | zomfg | ok fine ill type lcpi |
| 19:52.54 | babilen | zomfg: Sorry, I've given up on you. You refuse to answer any questions and it is impossible to follow what you are saying. FWIW, I would recommend to either: 1. Install Debian in such a way that you have network - You probably require firmware for that. So use CD1 or netinstall with firmware. See <firmware images> <install debian> and <installer firmware> for information |
| 19:52.56 | zomfg | shweet |
| 19:53.00 | zomfg | moof |
| 19:53.07 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.11 | Ketsa | How do I extend my X to the 2nd screen that is connected to the intel HD 4000 ? its not detected in config/displays. |
| 19:53.41 | moof2 | ompaul, a pastebin for a digit is somewhat overkill :) he can just say the number :) |
| 19:53.51 | babilen | zomfg: Depending on your current setup (about which you don't say anything) you can probably get your network running by installing a suitable firmware package and take it from there. But seriously, *think* for some minutes and then tell us what you have done. |
| 19:53.57 | babilen | is out of here ... |
| 19:54.05 | ompaul | moof2: true |
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| 19:54.23 | zomfg | lol word count? |
| 19:54.25 | zomfg | :D |
| 19:54.27 | ompaul | babilen: enjoy the evening |
| 19:54.29 | zomfg | u trickster |
| 19:54.33 | zomfg | ok so ... |
| 19:54.37 | ompaul | !enter |
| 19:54.38 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 19:54.42 | moof2 | yeah, I wanted to know how many net cards you got |
| 19:55.00 | zomfg | i hav BCM43224 |
| 19:55.04 | zomfg | ^ |
| 19:55.09 | ompaul | not the question you were asked |
| 19:55.11 | moof2 | ok, and that's the driver package? |
| 19:55.14 | ompaul | consider yourself abandoned |
| 19:55.36 | zomfg | mooooooof i hav BCM43224 |
| 19:55.40 | zomfg | this one |
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| 19:56.45 | zomfg | moof2, is this page right for me? |
| 19:56.46 | zomfg | http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 19:56.47 | moof2 | so, they wanted to conduct your help session in a specific way... and you flubbed their brains and they don't wanna participate |
| 19:56.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell zomfg -about brcmsmac |
| 19:56.56 | moof2 | (just so you know...) |
| 19:57.00 | zomfg | hahha its ok |
| 19:57.47 | babilen | zomfg: And read http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse about how to use the command line as you seem to have installed Debian in the most suboptimal way possible. |
| 19:57.54 | moof2 | I wish you would have said something like "I know what I got, and I got a .deb with the driver, its filename is ___, and how do I install it" |
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| 19:59.02 | babilen | zomfg: So, please take ten minutes to read the documentation and http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html + http://mattgemmell.com/2008/12/08/what-have-you-tried/ and refrain from nonsense chatting like before. |
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| 19:59.48 | moof2 | we like to help. we don't really like not having information, we don't like being frustrated like that |
| 19:59.56 | babilen | zomfg: I believe that you have all information you need, but I still guess that a reinstall using CD1 *with* firmware (see <install debian> <installer firmware> and <various cd1> for details (/msg dpkg install debian)) |
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| 20:00.14 | babilen | zomfg: Good luck and please be more content and less noise the next time. |
| 20:00.37 | moof2 | please don't make us change our mind overall about the first part (we like to help) |
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| 20:03.32 | dekiss | can I make gnome to not run on startup? |
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| 20:04.01 | moof2 | dekiss, sure |
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| 20:04.49 | dekiss | guys what is easiest and best way to install apache and php most up to date version on debian? |
| 20:05.06 | ilikenwf | use the dotdeb repos |
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| 20:05.17 | ilikenwf | http://www.dotdeb.org/ |
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| 20:05.33 | ilikenwf | nginx is quite nice too |
| 20:05.40 | moof2 | "most up to date", you may or may not have a choice as to versions unless you can build php properly |
| 20:06.00 | ilikenwf | dotdeb is always current stable |
| 20:06.05 | moof2 | personally I like to build my own web stack and stick it in my home dir |
| 20:06.50 | jelly-home | !dotdeb |
| 20:06.50 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 20:07.02 | moof2 | dotdeb's packagings are sometimes incomplete (maybe any of: can't install can't remove can't upgrade) |
| 20:07.13 | jelly-home | ilikenwf: dotdeb has had continuous QA issues |
| 20:07.24 | ilikenwf | i've never had any issues with it |
| 20:07.35 | ilikenwf | use it on my aws instance |
| 20:07.37 | ilikenwf | ss |
| 20:07.55 | moof2 | I keep hearing weird stuff about their responses to people who report issues to them |
| 20:07.55 | jelly-home | you were either very lucky, or never tried to clean up after their packages |
| 20:08.18 | ilikenwf | it's not that hard to build your stack, either |
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| 20:08.28 | ilikenwf | i suppose you can pass your own configure and makeflags that way |
| 20:08.37 | ilikenwf | add in suhosin if you want |
| 20:08.38 | ilikenwf | etc |
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| 20:08.45 | moof2 | hmm, misread that as well_laid_clown |
| 20:08.56 | ilikenwf | lol |
| 20:09.30 | dekiss | thanks |
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| 20:09.48 | moof2 | anyway, nuff said... you can look at their lintian reports to see what's up with what's up |
| 20:09.57 | dekiss | ilikenwf I cant decide apache or nginx |
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| 20:10.05 | dekiss | I guess time is now to decide :) |
| 20:10.07 | ilikenwf | nginx consumes far fewer resouces |
| 20:10.10 | ilikenwf | FAR fewer |
| 20:10.11 | dekiss | any experience with nginx? |
| 20:10.13 | moof2 | try one |
| 20:10.27 | dekiss | someone told me apache without modules loaded is same speed true? |
| 20:10.38 | moof2 | if you're writing web apps, you should compare the api |
| 20:10.39 | ilikenwf | i haven't heard that one |
| 20:10.51 | dekiss | how to update debian from gnome? |
| 20:11.01 | ilikenwf | but i've run wordpress on nginx and apache both, and custom written codeigniter apps on both |
| 20:11.04 | ilikenwf | and nginx takes the cake |
| 20:11.12 | dekiss | it showed me automatically update screen but i missed admin password :D |
| 20:11.16 | dekiss | no second try lol :) |
| 20:11.26 | dekiss | first time i boot on debian ^^ |
| 20:11.30 | ilikenwf | i've been using php + mariadb + nginx with apc and a static content cache on my aws instance |
| 20:11.36 | ilikenwf | aws micro :P |
| 20:11.40 | moof2 | dekiss, fire up gnome terminal... run apt-get update... run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:11.47 | ilikenwf | db has over 100k posts and runs really wicked fast |
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| 20:12.43 | dekiss | any other way to install php apache or nginx mysql ? other than dotdeb |
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| 20:13.00 | ilikenwf | use the official repos or install those from unstable |
| 20:13.11 | ilikenwf | unstable's stack in that respect should be fine |
| 20:13.30 | ilikenwf | i run unstable on my home server |
| 20:13.37 | ilikenwf | or build yourself |
| 20:13.42 | Treah | hello is there a way I can prevent systemd from attempting to boot the system. I had a bad hybernation happen and now cant get the system to boot normal....... |
| 20:13.56 | dekiss | anyone tried nginx with dynamic content? |
| 20:14.04 | ilikenwf | https://library.linode.com/lemp-guides/debian-6-squeeze?format=print |
| 20:14.08 | dekiss | il be serving dynamic web apges mostly |
| 20:14.10 | ilikenwf | yes |
| 20:14.15 | ilikenwf | i use it to serve a wordpress site |
| 20:14.18 | ilikenwf | it's wicked fast :) |
| 20:15.04 | ilikenwf | if you google debian lemp you'll find many approaches |
| 20:15.14 | dekiss | thanks for inf oall |
| 20:15.30 | ilikenwf | i forget what package it's called, but i use a cache for images/html as well that sits in front of php |
| 20:15.34 | ilikenwf | and php is running apc |
| 20:15.41 | ilikenwf | and then nginx is at the front |
| 20:15.46 | ilikenwf | with mariadb on the back end |
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| 20:16.08 | dekiss | I have very little linux experience 5 years ago :S |
| 20:16.28 | ilikenwf | don't worry, you'll pick it up quickly |
| 20:16.29 | dekiss | some video tutorial? |
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| 20:16.37 | dekiss | paid no mather ill buy |
| 20:16.49 | ilikenwf | not really video, but howtoforge, etc has good step by step guides for LEMP boxes |
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| 20:17.00 | dekiss | I want to make my own packages of web server php mysql etc |
| 20:17.02 | ilikenwf | it's where i learned |
| 20:17.07 | ilikenwf | yeah, you'll have to read up on that |
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| 20:17.32 | dekiss | how much time should I learn till I learn how to make my own packages? |
| 20:17.38 | dekiss | if im total beginenr at linux |
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| 20:17.46 | ilikenwf | i'd probably start with the repo packages |
| 20:17.47 | dekiss | and 20 years pc user |
| 20:17.53 | ilikenwf | and read up on how to buidl them this week |
| 20:17.59 | ilikenwf | and use a test box to figure it ou |
| 20:17.59 | ilikenwf | t |
| 20:18.13 | dekiss | all in all how much time till i learn to make packages |
| 20:18.19 | ilikenwf | depends on you and the speed you learn |
| 20:18.23 | ilikenwf | and how much you read |
| 20:18.34 | dekiss | if im VERY fast learner :) |
| 20:18.41 | ilikenwf | you could pick it up in a week or two |
| 20:18.42 | dekiss | if I read whole day |
| 20:18.43 | ompaul | dekiss: start now and let us know :) |
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| 20:18.47 | ilikenwf | lol |
| 20:18.47 | dekiss | ok |
| 20:18.52 | dekiss | starting.. |
| 20:18.53 | Treah | No ideas huh |
| 20:18.54 | dekiss | im gona visit linda |
| 20:18.58 | dekiss | :) |
| 20:19.15 | ilikenwf | slowly inches towards the door |
| 20:19.16 | Treah | This is why systemd is absolute crap |
| 20:19.36 | ilikenwf | i run arch on my laptop...it's not crap... it's just different |
| 20:19.42 | ilikenwf | i'll admit it's much faster |
| 20:19.47 | moof2 | I use really different stuff for web dev... I never got much exp with apache; I like naviserv... php has a history of being unstable with regard to introducing incompatible changes in the language and removing or changing syntax from the language... this makes it very difficult to know which php to install... naviserv uses tcl, and its implementation has great caching features, and pooled db connections... and I used mysql for l |
| 20:19.48 | moof2 | ike a week to learn to make and query tables |
| 20:19.50 | Treah | Its like having a retarded goofy living in your linux box |
| 20:20.04 | ilikenwf | i'll admit i've not read the man pages yet |
| 20:20.17 | Treah | ilikenwf: : well its not much good if it keeps me from being able to even boot the computer |
| 20:20.22 | ilikenwf | but i need to alias "systemctl $1 $2" to "service $1 $2" |
| 20:20.29 | moof2 | you mean that disney four-legged dog? |
| 20:20.30 | ilikenwf | i've not set it up on debian |
| 20:20.41 | ilikenwf | just arch |
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| 20:21.05 | ilikenwf | arch is a little easier to deal with on something like systemd because there's not as much it has to touch to get up and running, and it's the default init system |
| 20:21.22 | ilikenwf | i use debian for the boxes i need stability on because ubuntu is crap |
| 20:21.27 | ilikenwf | and arch on my bleeding edge machiens |
| 20:21.52 | Treah | I really hate how mint debian has it |
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| 20:22.04 | Treah | I might just abandon mint and go pure debian |
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| 20:22.14 | nvz | Treah: what was your problem? is in with the implementation of systemd? I.e. you're just now trying to swap out sysv? |
| 20:22.18 | ilikenwf | i hated it at first too but got used to it and now i like it |
| 20:22.23 | ilikenwf | anyay, gtg, afk |
| 20:22.36 | Treah | no im stuck with an unbootable system after a bad hybernation |
| 20:22.49 | blz37 | when upgrading from testing to unstable some of the index are not available in the new repository. "old ones are kept." |
| 20:22.53 | ompaul | !mint |
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| 20:22.53 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 20:22.59 | Treah | no mater what i do it keeps wanting to load the now non exsitant hybernation file |
| 20:23.11 | Treah | im using lmde |
| 20:23.20 | blz37 | that should be ok, right ? |
| 20:23.30 | Treah | not the ubuntu based mint |
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| 20:23.35 | johnfg | hey guys |
| 20:23.35 | dekiss | what is this http://www.lynda.com/Linux-training-tutorials/1277-0.html |
| 20:23.39 | rryoumaa | !derived |
| 20:23.41 | nvz | Treah: ah.. I never seen that happen before.. you are in the wrong channel for support, which is another reason to go pure debian.. so we can better serve you here. |
| 20:23.48 | dekiss | omg look at the title Up and Running with Linux for PHP Developers |
| 20:23.51 | dekiss | AHAhah |
| 20:24.00 | dekiss | nice one! |
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| 20:24.10 | Treah | i just thought somone here might have run across it before |
| 20:24.23 | dekiss | omg look at the title Up and Running with Linux for C# developers |
| 20:24.28 | dekiss | I will wait for this release ^^ |
| 20:24.58 | dekiss | oh if I start askign questions about linux now ill get baned here :) |
| 20:25.13 | nvz | Treah: well I haven't heard of it but I could possibly help you run it down if you have a specific error message or some more details, though really you should /msg me since its technically off-topic here |
| 20:25.14 | johnfg | Where can I get a squeeze full iso? I don't see one at mirrors.kernel.org. |
| 20:25.46 | dekiss | any good website that will teach me linux ? |
| 20:25.51 | dekiss | or paid videos or something |
| 20:28.26 | nvz | oh well, they left.. I was rather curious about that issue.. heh.. and not busy at the moment |
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| 20:30.03 | johnfg | Using tasksel yesterday I messed up the squeeze system in a pretty big way, to the point where I don't have internet access. So I can't access the sources in sources.list, and need to burn a dvd. |
| 20:30.06 | nvz | johnfg: you'll need to be more specific. Debian squeeze fits on like 50 or so cds and like 5 or more dvds (don't recall exactly) and runs on like 36 different cpu architectures. Not to mention its oldstable now, Wheezy released |
| 20:30.47 | johnfg | nvz: np, I only need the #1 dvd for ~x86 |
| 20:31.16 | johnfg | And squeeze, not wheezy. |
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| 20:31.20 | nvz | johnfg: geography? you want a US server? |
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| 20:32.26 | johnfg | nvz: ya,that would be best. |
| 20:33.07 | nvz | johnfg: damn its looking liek a lot of mirrors deleted those already.. Is torrent doable if I can find one with peers? |
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| 20:34.31 | peterrooney | johnfg: you may still have the deleted packages in /var/cache/apt/archive |
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| 20:34.53 | johnfg | But nvz sure (and thanks for helping). Ya, I noticed that too. If I have to, I'll wait until tomorrow and grab the dvd of my original squeeze install. |
| 20:34.54 | moof2 | mirrors deleted? mirrors of what? |
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| 20:34.56 | peterrooney | if so, re-installing them would be straightforward |
| 20:35.17 | johnfg | peterrooney: Is there a way to directly reverse what I'd one, and to get them from there? |
| 20:35.17 | nvz | yeah thats another thought.. if you haven't cleaned it, you might still have the packages on your system |
| 20:35.44 | johnfg | nvz: peterrooney: No,I haven't cleaned it. I'm on a new wheezy install here. |
| 20:36.13 | nvz | johnfg: perhaps while I am trying to see if you can even find a squeeze iso, maybe you should back up and discuss what exactly you did to FUBAR the system to see if anyone can come up with a simpler solution |
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| 20:37.06 | johnfg | When I messed up was using tasksel from the cli. Apparently, if a set is *not* selected, tasksel removes it, if it's installed. |
| 20:37.07 | peterrooney | johnfg: not directly. You have to grep through /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 20:37.36 | johnfg | peterrooney: And that will be by date/time, so ya, that might work. |
| 20:37.36 | peterrooney | johnfg: that's simple, then, if your archive has not been deleted. apt-get install tasksel; tasksel |
| 20:38.10 | johnfg | Except it's looking to use my sources.list, not the cache. |
| 20:38.20 | nvz | johnfg: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/6.0.7/ |
| 20:38.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps how do i figure out with repo a package comesfrom |
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| 20:39.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | found it lol |
| 20:39.35 | nvz | johnfg: so what, you removed the "desktop system" task or something? |
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| 20:40.52 | xrayzor | okay, freshinstall of debian wheezy...could use help getting wifi adapter to get me online. |
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| 20:41.09 | nvz | dekiss: tldp.org is one of the oldest and broadest sources I can think of off the top of my head. |
| 20:41.40 | johnfg | nvz: Not at first. All except manual package (or whatever it's called) were selected. I wanted to reinstall the desktop (long story, but had to do with a new printer, for which I had to install a backported version of hplip). Since I'm running wheezy too, I was gonna revert to gnome desktop on squeeze, but the tasks that were *not* selected got removed. |
| 20:41.57 | nvz | xrayzor: paste only the line containing your wifi adapter from lspci -nn command (unless its USB then thats not gonna work) |
| 20:41.58 | johnfg | nvz: I was gonna suggest that same place. |
| 20:42.11 | xrayzor | it >is< usb. |
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| 20:42.43 | xrayzor | prior, i was told NetworkManager kind of isnt the best, an to use wicd, some guidance there, or even a whole new outlook would be greatly appreciated. |
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| 20:43.05 | nvz | xrayzor: ah well then lsusb |
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| 20:43.28 | xrayzor | are you wanting everything, or just my wireless device? |
| 20:43.41 | nvz | xrayzor: well back in lenny or such prior to squeeze I may have agreed on that wicd matter.. heh.. but its not a big issue now.. and yeah just the one line |
| 20:43.57 | xrayzor | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:8176 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188CUS 802.11n WLAN Adapter |
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| 20:45.33 | nvz | xrayzor: so do you know if the device is any bit working now, like if the kernel claimed it with any driver or if you have any kind of wlan0 interface or such? |
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| 20:46.10 | xrayzor | nvz: not going to lie, i'm pretty fresh to debian(linux altogether), i know the device works, well, in windows, that is. |
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| 20:46.29 | nvz | xrayzor: reltek provides both a linux and an android driver for that device, but I'm just not sure as of yet if there is a more straightforward way of going about it |
| 20:46.34 | xrayzor | It also attempts to connect to my AP, but authenticates over an over due to "incorrect password", but it is the correct password. |
| 20:46.39 | zomfg | sdfsdfg |
| 20:46.48 | zomfg | ooooh |
| 20:47.00 | zomfg | i am back babilen> |
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| 20:47.11 | jeep | xrayzor, read this ? http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 20:47.14 | zomfg | u decided to unban me? |
| 20:47.29 | zomfg | thank you mister |
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| 20:48.48 | nvz | zomfg: if you've been banned before, you're not on your way to a very good start this time around.. is there something you need help with? |
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| 20:49.38 | zomfg | well it doesnt mater since he undid it |
| 20:49.45 | jeep | xrayzor, see the directions down the page in the "install" section |
| 20:49.47 | nvz | xrayzor: sounds like all you should need to do is enable non-free in your sources and install the firmware-realtek package |
| 20:50.17 | zomfg | ok so i tried to download and install DKMS |
| 20:50.40 | zomfg | which is req by broadcom package but dkms has way too many deps |
| 20:50.57 | zomfg | is there a way to download everything at once |
| 20:51.14 | zomfg | on this comp and put it on USB |
| 20:51.31 | nvz | zomfg: so if I understand this correctly, you're trying to get a broadcom device to work? Wifi adapter? Built in to a laptop? version of debian? kernel version? |
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| 20:51.52 | zomfg | wheezy macbook air 2011 |
| 20:52.32 | nvz | ah.. well thats a bit out of my scope but as I understand we have pretty good guides for most things mac.. lemme see.. |
| 20:53.00 | zomfg | well no |
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| 20:53.13 | zomfg | its not the mac |
| 20:53.21 | zomfg | its how do i install crap w out internet |
| 20:53.55 | zomfg | since linux is prety dissected |
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| 20:54.12 | zomfg | instead of windows just being 1 huge exe |
| 20:54.30 | nvz | zomfg: well what is the OS you're using to fetch things from the internet? |
| 20:54.33 | zomfg | so w out apt-get blah its prety hard |
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| 20:54.45 | zomfg | also wheezy |
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| 20:55.06 | xrayzor | ok |
| 20:55.07 | nvz | zomfg: so you got a linux box online and you wanna get all the deps needed from one debian system with internet to another without? |
| 20:55.16 | zomfg | ya |
| 20:55.22 | xrayzor | now it appeared to connect but won't go to google.com |
| 20:55.25 | xrayzor | an can't ping google.com |
| 20:55.42 | zomfg | xrayzor, disable ipv6 |
| 20:55.44 | nvz | zomfg: we have a tool called apt-zip for that, my friend |
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| 20:55.48 | tremon | is apt-offline still around? |
| 20:55.55 | xrayzor | zomfg: how do i do that ? |
| 20:55.59 | zomfg | so how do i do this? |
| 20:56.08 | lorenzoo | Hi everybody again. In my broken debian server with squeeze I finnaly have access to the system via a debian live and chroot |
| 20:56.09 | nvz | zomfg: well first you need to install such a tool on the box with internet |
| 20:56.23 | zomfg | xrayzor, try vim /etc/hosts |
| 20:56.34 | zomfg | i forgot where i did it |
| 20:56.40 | lorenzoo | Now I'm blocked with the problem that the aptitude don't let me install or remove packege. |
| 20:56.47 | xrayzor | bash: vim: command not found |
| 20:57.07 | xrayzor | nano'd it |
| 20:57.14 | xrayzor | and i have a bunch of stuff in it |
| 20:57.16 | moof2 | would rosegarden generate lilypond files to print (or generate pdf of) musical scores? |
| 20:57.21 | xrayzor | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 20:57.30 | xrayzor | ::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback |
| 20:57.37 | xrayzor | fe00::0 ip6-localnet |
| 20:57.49 | xrayzor | ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix |
| 20:57.56 | xrayzor | ff01::1 ip6-allnodes |
| 20:58.03 | xrayzor | ff02::2 ip6-allrouters |
| 20:58.10 | zomfg | xrayzor, google debian disable ipv6 |
| 20:58.14 | xrayzor | 10-4 |
| 20:58.15 | zomfg | sory lol |
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| 20:59.01 | nvz | zomfg: no wait I think I got that backwards, apt-zip in this case is for the non-networked machine you can fetch it manually and dpkg -i it on the non-networked machine |
| 20:59.27 | nvz | zomfg: then what it does is you try to download what you want, and it makes you a script you can take to the networked machine and fetch the packages needed to complete that operation |
| 20:59.44 | nvz | apt-zip will install cleanly, it only depends on apt |
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| 21:00.06 | zomfg | so steps? |
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| 21:00.20 | lorenzoo | The first error that I have: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt.... fontconfig_2.9.0-7_amd64.deb (-unpack) |
| 21:00.21 | xrayzor | ah, ill be so gracious if this works. |
| 21:00.38 | zomfg | i assume apt-zip broacom? |
| 21:00.57 | jeep | nvz, apt-zip looks amazing i always manually downloaded the .debs to a usb stick |
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| 21:01.31 | moof2 | didn't you install the driver an hour ago? |
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| 21:01.41 | nvz | zomfg: someone else can feel free to chime in since I never done this before.. but I believe as I said, first step is to go to a package mirror or p.d.o or use apt-get install apt-zip on the networked box (then take the deb from /var/cache/apt/archives/ or use the --download-only or w/e option) and copy it using your usb key to the other box and install it with dpkg -i on the non-networked machine |
| 21:02.16 | xrayzor | back to not accepting my auth. |
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| 21:02.21 | zomfg | rite |
| 21:02.27 | moof2 | I thought he said he had a .deb of the driver, and installed it |
| 21:02.30 | xrayzor | ah, i dont get it, but then i p0ull the usb adapter, and it connects for some reason. |
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| 21:03.24 | zomfg | nvz, so where will it put the stuff |
| 21:03.43 | phaustus | hello; i'm upgrading squeeze to wheezy, following instructions on debian.org; warned to use a "textmode virtual console": is this what I get after Ctrl-Alt-F2 from Gnome2? |
| 21:03.49 | zomfg | the .deb |
| 21:03.55 | moof2 | xrayzor, so is it working now? |
| 21:04.43 | nvz | zomfg: well the package appears to contain two commands apt-zip-list and apt-zip-inst the first is what you use to generate the scripts for the networked host, the other is to actually do the installation after the other host has gotten the packages for you |
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| 21:05.09 | xrayzor | its connected, but still not ahving luck obtaining internet |
| 21:05.29 | xrayzor | echo 'blacklist ipv6' >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 21:05.31 | moof2 | if you installed it... you can get the package name from the file name... and then dpkg -L packagename |
| 21:05.35 | xrayzor | is the command i used to 'remove' ipv6 |
| 21:05.38 | xrayzor | an rebooted |
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| 21:05.52 | jeep | xrayzor, is it just a dns issue what does your /etc/resolv.conf say ? |
| 21:06.14 | xrayzor | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:06.17 | nvz | zomfg: apt-zip-list --aptgetaction=install --packages=foo,bar would generate scripts you'd copy to the networked host and run them, which will get you all the packages you need, then you take those back over to the non-networked box and run apt-zip-inst and it'll be able to install those packages like it would if you had internet |
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| 21:06.31 | lorenzoo_ | I can't install/remove package on my debian server, this are the first error and repeted for every package: |
| 21:06.31 | lorenzoo_ | dpkg: warning: subprocess old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 dpkg: trying script from the new package instead ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/fontconfig_2.9.0-7.1_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 21:06.31 | dpkg | lorenzoo_: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 21:06.46 | jeep | xrayzor, in a xterm ping -c1 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:07.00 | Dagger2 | jeep: wait, if he can't `ping google.com`, how is disabling IPv6 going to help? |
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| 21:07.16 | jeep | Dagger2, it wont |
| 21:07.20 | Dagger2 | jeep: surely he should be fixing the broken v4 first... |
| 21:07.24 | nvz | zomfg: you would need to install apt-zip and consult the manpage for your specific needs, but you tell it the mount point as well of the device you're using (your usb key) and it keeps all the scripts and packages on there for you |
| 21:07.39 | jeep | Dagger2, someone else is trying to disable ipv6 |
| 21:07.58 | Dagger2 | oh, zomfg* |
| 21:08.02 | xrayzor | ping: bad number of packets to transmit |
| 21:08.02 | Dagger2 | still waking up here >.> |
| 21:08.13 | xrayzor | no |
| 21:08.21 | xrayzor | it was i told to disable ipv6 |
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| 21:08.34 | jeep | xrayzor, you typoed it |
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| 21:09.02 | xrayzor | typoed what? |
| 21:09.23 | jeep | xrayzor, ping -c1 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:09.53 | xrayzor | sorry, your right. |
| 21:09.58 | lorenzoo_ | I have this problem too: update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header |
| 21:09.59 | jeep | xrayzor, ping 192.168.1.1 will keep pinging til you hit control -c1 just pings once |
| 21:10.09 | moof2 | it means "send/receive only one packet" |
| 21:10.12 | xrayzor | PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data |
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| 21:10.35 | xrayzor | From 192.168.1.5 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 21:10.47 | xrayzor | --- 192.168.1.1 ping statistics --- |
| 21:10.59 | jeep | xrayzor, ok so your not actually connected |
| 21:11.00 | xrayzor | 1 packets transmitted, 0 received, +1 errors, 100% packet loss, time 0ms |
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| 21:11.34 | xrayzor | hmm..pain in the rear. |
| 21:11.53 | moof2 | what's 1.5? |
| 21:12.53 | xrayzor | any kind of direction at this point, i would appreciate. |
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| 21:13.25 | moof2 | what machine's IP address ends in 1.5? |
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| 21:14.51 | xrayzor | presume a ip leased from a router? |
| 21:15.27 | moof2 | it looks from the ping like you're getting info from 192.168.1.5 |
| 21:15.49 | xrayzor | like i said, i'm pretty fresh here with debian. It's a learning experience for myself, and i have exhausted what i believe am capable of researching. |
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| 21:16.04 | xrayzor | yeah, it says I'm connected(GUI) claims i'm connected to my router. |
| 21:16.35 | moof2 | hmm, see what your gw is... route -n |
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| 21:16.45 | moof2 | (don't paste that output here) |
| 21:17.04 | moof2 | can you see the default route? |
| 21:17.21 | xrayzor | default route? |
| 21:17.32 | xrayzor | i see under gateway one line says 192.168.1.1 |
| 21:17.45 | xrayzor | and the other line says under destination, 192.168.1.0 |
| 21:17.53 | xrayzor | gen mark 255.255.255.0 |
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| 21:18.02 | xrayzor | mask* |
| 21:18.28 | icanolargv | xrayzor 192.168.1.0 is the network |
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| 21:18.54 | moof2 | that describes 256 IPs that go thru that rouge |
| 21:18.58 | moof2 | route |
| 21:19.04 | icanolargv | 192.168.1.1 is the address of the default gateway |
| 21:19.36 | icanolargv | default gateway is the destination of the packets if is not addressed to local network |
| 21:19.38 | moof2 | the problem being he can't ping it |
| 21:20.04 | xrayzor | so is it a leasing issue? |
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| 21:20.28 | moof2 | no this is lower level than dhcp |
| 21:20.31 | jeep | xrayzor, its a usb wifi adapter right ? |
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| 21:20.43 | zomfg | gaize! |
| 21:20.47 | zomfg | i think i found a way |
| 21:20.55 | xrayzor | jeep: correct, i know not practical for use, but all i got at this moment. |
| 21:20.59 | zomfg | nvz, |
| 21:21.08 | zomfg | Copy the deb packages from your office computer onto a pen drive or any other removable media. They are stored at /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 21:21.34 | zomfg | then he say to set up that folder as a repo |
| 21:22.00 | jeep | xrayzor, unplug it .. and then plug it back in wait 30 seconds or so then type dmesg in the xterm |
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| 21:23.19 | jeep | xrayzor, you will see entry for usb disconnect .."unplugging it" .. then plugging back in it will scroll some other stuff |
| 21:23.28 | moof2 | zomfg just bite the bullet and connect a cable to it |
| 21:24.07 | xrayzor | do you want me to put this on pastebin ? |
| 21:24.32 | jeep | xrayzor, yeah if you can |
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| 21:25.38 | zomfg | moof2, NO i like to learn |
| 21:25.45 | zomfg | i like to get out of holes u know |
| 21:25.53 | zomfg | like a true soulja |
| 21:26.33 | zomfg | but ya ill get a usb to ethernet |
| 21:26.42 | zomfg | i already had one but returned it |
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| 21:26.54 | zomfg | i didnt think it was worth it |
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| 21:28.00 | wolfmitchell | how do I get what compiler the kernel was built with? |
| 21:28.01 | zomfg | this is prety nifty tho |
| 21:28.15 | zomfg | now i know where linux keeps all its .debs |
| 21:28.32 | moof2 | apt-get install build-essential |
| 21:28.44 | phaustus | upgrading to wheezy: how do i get system to boot in textmode console with network access so that I can run the distro upgrade? (I have used "# update-rc.d -f gdm3 remove", but then I have no network access after reboot) |
| 21:29.21 | jeep | phaustus, just hit alt control F2 login there and do it |
| 21:29.23 | moof2 | if you like to learn everything on your own... then you don't want support here |
| 21:29.37 | moof2 | and that's the only topic |
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| 21:30.35 | jeep | phaustus, you can /etc./init.d/gdm3 stop from there to kill the gui login if you want |
| 21:31.39 | mmnicola1 | 'service gdm3 stop' |
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| 21:31.52 | jeep | yeah that too |
| 21:31.52 | moof2 | phaustus, or just switch to a console vc, like the first one (#1) by doing ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 21:32.07 | phaustus | jeep: if I can get away with running the distro upgrade from the textmode console after alt-ctrl-F2, I'm satisfied; I was worried that the distro upgrade will wipe out the dm/de and my network connection with it... |
| 21:32.41 | moof2 | the dm/de does not control your net connection (or shouldn't) |
| 21:32.45 | mmnicola1 | jeep: yea he's better off closing everything before that |
| 21:33.28 | phaustus | but after "service gdm3 stop" I think I lost my wireless connection... I'll try again |
| 21:33.31 | xrayzor | http://pastebin.com/fv1rHdEt |
| 21:33.47 | moof2 | from what I understand, netw0rk-manager is started as a daemon way before x or any de/dm is started |
| 21:33.51 | mmnicolas | phaustus: oh, yes, if your connection is managed by a user applet |
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| 21:34.25 | mmnicolas | anyone using this thing here ? |
| 21:34.43 | moof2 | nope, I only use that thing there |
| 21:35.05 | phaustus | moof2: like I said earlier, if I do "# update-rc.d -f gdm remove" then my network connection doesn't load, I suppose because it is managed by an applet in gnome2 |
| 21:35.20 | mmnicolas | yea me too but im pretty sure it does not maintain the connection |
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| 21:35.49 | moof2 | well I say that's a bug |
| 21:35.50 | jeep | phaustus, you dont have to kill your desktop just remeber that libs/programs will be replaced and things wont work correctly till you restart them |
| 21:35.53 | xrayzor | jeep: http://pastebin.com/fv1rHdEt |
| 21:35.55 | sssilver_ | People of #debian, I have a question. Is it possible to have a Debian deployment, which is on the "bleeding edge" of the current state of packages? |
| 21:36.11 | sssilver_ | Say I am installing Debian on my laptop, so reliability isn't the number zero priority |
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| 21:36.56 | dvs | sssilver_: Install Debian 7 then "upgrade" to sid. |
| 21:37.11 | sssilver_ | what is "sid"? |
| 21:37.18 | mmnicolas | moof2: always been that way, if you want users to be easily able to use wifi, thats the downside |
| 21:37.28 | dvs | !sid |
| 21:37.29 | dpkg | from memory, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 21:39.14 | moof2 | sssilver_, I don't think you want debian |
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| 21:39.50 | jeep | xrayzor, looks like its workign for the most part how have you been configuring it ? |
| 21:40.00 | sssilver_ | moof2: I don't want Ubuntu or RH, because they're too commercial for me. I like Gentoo/Arch, but I don't wanna spend hours watching webkit compile. Alternatives? |
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| 21:40.12 | elysium | sssilver_: try aptosid |
| 21:40.22 | elysium | s'a dece desktop |
| 21:40.41 | elysium | i run debian for my servers but this workstation is a fedora box lol |
| 21:41.04 | dvs | !lart elysium |
| 21:41.04 | dpkg | rm -rf's elysium |
| 21:41.16 | elysium | lol |
| 21:42.07 | moof2 | sid problems can come from two sources, one, is the software itself not shaken down enough, and two, problems involving debian packaging |
| 21:42.14 | elysium | i don't have control over what i come to work to |
| 21:42.19 | elysium | OS wise at least |
| 21:42.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi |
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| 21:42.40 | jeep | hi Eryn_1983_FL |
| 21:42.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | how is it going |
| 21:42.59 | jeep | is good |
| 21:43.01 | moof2 | if you are going to run sid, you're going to be solving problems from both sources |
| 21:43.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | cool testing out mosh |
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| 21:43.26 | sssilver_ | moof2: compared to being on the unstable branch of Gentoo, how bad is it? |
| 21:43.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmmm |
| 21:43.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i am going to break it |
| 21:43.45 | jeep | sssilver_, stable as a rock compared to gentoo lol |
| 21:44.41 | sssilver_ | hehe well I survive fine for the past 5 years on Gentoo. |
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| 21:45.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmmm |
| 21:45.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | wow i love it |
| 21:45.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | i didnt even miss a beat |
| 21:45.32 | jeep | sssilver_, i went from gentoo to debian years ago .. and never looked back |
| 21:45.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | debian is where it is at |
| 21:46.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | compiling for hours.. nobody got time for dat... |
| 21:46.50 | zomfg | lol |
| 21:47.05 | zomfg | ya but ur gona be cool after |
| 21:47.12 | zomfg | rite now ur jus noob |
| 21:47.27 | sssilver_ | OK and is there such a thing as a "rolling release debian"? |
| 21:47.39 | zomfg | debian is roling |
| 21:47.48 | zomfg | isnt debian the only one |
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| 21:47.53 | sssilver_ | hm? |
| 21:48.02 | sssilver_ | how can something that goes by "Debian 7.0" be rolling? |
| 21:48.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 21:48.30 | zomfg | because if u add the sid repo |
| 21:48.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | ttyl |
| 21:48.37 | zomfg | u can keep roling |
| 21:49.03 | moof2 | well see, it comes in a round rectangular box, perfect for rolling |
| 21:49.05 | zomfg | i was able to destroy my ubuntu install in a few moths |
| 21:49.13 | xrayzor | jeep: i guess i do not know what you mean how have i been configuring it. |
| 21:49.17 | zomfg | it got all bloated and messed up |
| 21:49.21 | sssilver_ | zomfg: I'm sorry, but I find your grammar and nickname offensive |
| 21:49.34 | zomfg | but my squeeze install keeps going for years now |
| 21:49.39 | xand | sssilver_: that's your problem |
| 21:49.40 | xrayzor | I have used GUI for the most part, looks like i might need help configuring, as I haven't done too much to configure i guess. |
| 21:49.42 | jeep | xrayzor, using network-manager or wicd ? |
| 21:49.47 | xrayzor | networkmanager |
| 21:49.47 | xand | about the nick anyway :) |
| 21:49.53 | xand | !u |
| 21:49.53 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 21:50.04 | zomfg | oh god |
| 21:50.07 | zomfg | not this again |
| 21:50.16 | xand | but yeah, really, no "u" thanks. |
| 21:50.24 | zomfg | why not |
| 21:50.24 | xand | take that back to AOL or Facebook or wherever |
| 21:50.30 | zomfg | dood relax |
| 21:50.37 | zomfg | take a prozac |
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| 21:51.16 | moof2 | just so you know (and you got a short demo of this too) some won't relax... |
| 21:51.20 | xrayzor | went to the lengths of putting my old router back up to see if the router was by chance the issue. |
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| 21:51.37 | zomfg | some are FREAKS |
| 21:51.53 | zomfg | SO BE IT |
| 21:51.59 | jeep | xrayzor, try manual config look up iwconfig how-to |
| 21:51.59 | xand | squeezes zomfg |
| 21:52.03 | sssilver_ | you shouldn't go all-caps, too |
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| 21:52.07 | zomfg | and fuck you if u support this kind of shit |
| 21:52.17 | sssilver_ | see, how's that not offensive? |
| 21:52.20 | zomfg | they are mentaly ill people |
| 21:52.22 | sssilver_ | scratches his forehead |
| 21:52.26 | xand | they? |
| 21:52.30 | moof2 | and I still say if you want to learn completely on your own, then you're not looking for support here, and that's the only topic here officially. |
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| 21:52.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey does snmp work with sysstat? |
| 21:52.43 | deni | hi |
| 21:53.21 | zomfg | its called obsesive compulsive disorder |
| 21:53.27 | deni | i've added experimental repo to sources.list as i want to pull the newest kernel. I've also added apt_preferences with priority 102 |
| 21:53.39 | jhutchins_wk | Eryn_1983_FL: It can. It's not simple. |
| 21:53.43 | deni | but now when i do upgrade how di know i'm not pulling packages from experimental? |
| 21:53.52 | zomfg | take your meds |
| 21:53.58 | zomfg | thanks |
| 21:54.10 | moof2 | careful about claiming a nedical condition without a medical degree :) |
| 21:54.15 | jhutchins_wk | deni: It should only pull packages from experimental if you manually specify them. |
| 21:54.31 | zomfg | well thats why i jus called them freaks |
| 21:54.38 | deni | jhutchins_wk: is priority 102 good for experimental? |
| 21:54.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | sigh |
| 21:54.54 | jhutchins_wk | deni: Not sure what your priority might do though. |
| 21:54.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | maybe i should start with snmp |
| 21:55.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | i mean nrpe works as well |
| 21:55.23 | jhutchins_wk | deni: You should read and follow the instructions for experimental. |
| 21:55.27 | moof2 | the thing is, if you want to learn everything on your own and therefore are not interested in support here, that does something to your signal to noise ratio by cancelling out signal entirely |
| 21:55.28 | jhutchins_wk | !experimental |
| 21:55.28 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 21:56.07 | jhutchins_wk | deni: That last link I think. |
| 21:56.30 | moof2 | one use for experimental is to hold packages that have incomplete "install" or "remove" or "upgrade" actions |
| 21:56.40 | deni | jhutchins_wk: http://pastebin.com/Z9NN2a2W |
| 21:57.11 | deni | jhutchins_wk: i've read the instructions, atleast the ones i could find, but it's unclear to me |
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| 21:57.32 | jhutchins_wk | deni: Interesting. pastebin.com doesn't open here. paste.debian.org |
| 21:58.05 | jhutchins_wk | deni: You really don't want to mess with experimental packages on a working system. |
| 21:58.28 | moof2 | since it might stop being a working system |
| 21:58.28 | deni | jhutchins_wk: http://paste.debian.net/8149/ |
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| 21:58.44 | deni | jhutchins_wk: i just want the kernel....can i somehow Pin just the kernel? |
| 21:58.51 | deni | please take a look at the paste |
| 21:59.00 | deni | the Package: * part is bugging me |
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| 21:59.46 | dvs | deni: If you just want the kernel, I'm compile it by itself using the kernel-package package |
| 22:00.09 | deni | dvs: i'd like to avoid having to compile it |
| 22:00.19 | deni | i mean it's there in the experimental repo why not use it |
| 22:00.45 | deni | i understand enought that i wouldn't use it for other packages |
| 22:00.59 | moof2 | because there is a very good chance it will not work, and an extremely good chance it would break your system |
| 22:01.00 | deni | i'm just trying to grasp how to tell apt to be more verbose about this |
| 22:01.37 | deni | moof2: and i'll deal with that when it breaks, that's why you always have the older kernels in the boot menu right? |
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| 22:02.33 | deni | i just wan't to make sure that the kernel is the only thing coming from experimental, and i'm not sure how to do that. |
| 22:02.42 | deni | what's gonna happen the next time i run apt-get upgrade? |
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| 22:03.01 | deni | is it going to pull packages from experimental because they are newer than the ones in the standard repo |
| 22:03.15 | moof2 | I thought you were going to deal with that when it comes |
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| 22:03.52 | moof2 | does the kernel you have now work for all your hardware? |
| 22:04.07 | phr3ak | how could I compile kernel with dpkg-buildpackage to only one target? so i don't want to get all debs... |
| 22:05.12 | deni | moof2: as far as i can tell the 3.8 kernel that i pulled from experimental works great |
| 22:05.37 | moof2 | howbout the kernel that comes with your dist version? |
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| 22:07.09 | deni | moof2: doesn't work with some hardware....it's been documented on a few blog posts. it feezes up randomly. a newer kernel than 3.2 is needed |
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| 22:07.40 | moof2 | hmm. which hardware? |
| 22:07.42 | deni | moof2: http://srmulcahy.github.io/2012/12/24/debian-x230.html |
| 22:07.45 | deni | graphics |
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| 22:11.07 | moof2 | that would be a clean/valid reason |
| 22:11.49 | moof2 | still, experimental packages can break themselves and your system |
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| 22:12.14 | woshty | what is the way to start xcompmgr for all users with openbox? |
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| 22:12.33 | deni | moof2: i'm well aware of that, it's a laptop, and i can alway boot an older kernel if the new one fails, that why i want to make sure i *only* install the kernel image from the experimental repos |
| 22:12.56 | woshty | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.31 | moof2 | so you want to use the experimental repo to get the kernels, and then prevent it from installing other packages which may be in support of the workings of that kernel |
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| 22:14.54 | moof2 | you're way better off building a kernel |
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| 22:16.24 | spider327489 | Uhm... I'm unable to install Debian 7. No mirror will work when trying to install from a minimal CD. :/ |
| 22:16.44 | deni | moof2: i'm alrady running sid so... :D |
| 22:16.48 | spider327489 | Does anyone know how to solve this? |
| 22:17.24 | dvs | spider327489: Don't use a wireless connection. |
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| 22:17.35 | spider327489 | dvs: I'm not! |
| 22:18.01 | spider327489 | dvs: No wireless card in this PC. |
| 22:18.16 | spider327489 | dvs: I've tried like 15 different mirrors. |
| 22:20.07 | spider327489 | dvs: HELLO?! |
| 22:24.11 | moof2 | deni, that may take care of the deps... |
| 22:24.22 | moof2 | , kernels |
| 22:24.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.8-2-686-pae (3.8.13-1); jessie: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.41-2+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze3) |
| 22:24.56 | moof2 | maybe the sid kernel is new enough |
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| 22:28.15 | woshty | got it. |
| 22:28.29 | moof2 | I want it. |
| 22:28.44 | moof2 | steals it! |
| 22:28.52 | moof2 | got it! |
| 22:29.30 | moof2 | looks at what he got... |
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| 22:29.35 | woshty | moof2: I am using lxde. Had to use lxde's autostart instead in /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart ;) |
| 22:29.39 | moof2 | looks confused... |
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| 22:30.21 | Dummies_freelanc | hello friend i wnat build applications with qt and touch, here in debian exist people can help me_ |
| 22:30.24 | Dummies_freelanc | ? |
| 22:30.28 | moof2 | woshty, glad you figured that out |
| 22:31.01 | Dummies_freelanc | i need guide for build UI for 20inch |
| 22:31.07 | moof2 | you just need the -dev parts of the required libs |
| 22:31.30 | moof2 | and compilers |
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| 22:34.07 | johnfg | peterrooney: nvz: so do you think it would be better to go through the log and reinstall those files/pkgs once I get the dvd burned? Or is there a way to use the pkgs in the cache? |
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| 22:36.46 | moof2 | sure there's a way, determine a dir structure and run dpkg-scanpackages |
| 22:37.22 | woshty | what is the simplest way to get synaptcis touchpad working properly? I got no tabclick and no 3button emulation for some reason. |
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| 22:38.53 | drchaos | what's the path to the standard debian installer? |
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| 22:39.02 | drchaos | I guess I can find out from /etc/inittab |
| 22:39.17 | moof2 | I think there's a driver for that |
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| 22:40.00 | moof2 | drchaos the "debian-installer" is not included in your debian |
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| 22:40.16 | moof2 | it runs, it installs, then it reboots, and its job is done |
| 22:41.03 | moof2 | there are package installers, such as apt-get |
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| 22:42.23 | moof2 | if that clarification changes what you want to know, you're totally welcome to post the new questtion |
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| 22:46.41 | peterrooney | johnfg: if the packages are in the cache, they will re-install without downloading from a mirror. |
| 22:47.14 | peterrooney | s/packages/package debs/ |
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| 22:49.32 | nmschulte | Hi folks! I primarily use Debian on my systems, and I'm looking for a password manager to use. I haven't used on in the past; is there anything good packaged in Debian? |
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| 22:59.27 | Polakko | Hi ALL! Ive have question. I created software RAID 1 by Debian 7 installer. Now I wanted to create partition by guided partitioning? do you know how to do it? |
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| 23:09.57 | ChibaPet | nmschulte: keepassx is popular |
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| 23:12.04 | ArchDuker | Would anyone happen to know what firmware I need to get wireless working on a Dell Studio 1537? |
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| 23:20.16 | jeep | ArchDuker, lspci will showyou the info you need to look up a how-to |
| 23:20.38 | ardian | hi, is there any official repo from debian dor bumblebee ? |
| 23:20.44 | ArchDuker | jeep: Thank you :D |
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| 23:21.28 | jeep | ArchDuker, should be a line with network controller .. manufacturer and model |
| 23:21.57 | ArchDuker | BCM4322 :D |
| 23:22.35 | ArchDuker | Thanks again jeep |
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| 23:28.50 | LtL | ArchDuker: did you get any information? |
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| 23:31.17 | wolfmitchell | When I try to load the fam15h_drivers kernel module so I can use the sensors command, I get this: http://pastebin.com/La8A6S3S |
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| 23:39.15 | LtL | wolfmitchell: try it as root |
| 23:39.34 | wolfmitchell | not through sudo? |
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| 23:39.40 | LtL | correct |
| 23:39.54 | wolfmitchell | same thing |
| 23:40.23 | wolfmitchell | hm, seems that there is no modules.builtin.bin there |
| 23:40.30 | LtL | i just guessing but that .bin file may be extractable, execute it then modfprobe again |
| 23:41.02 | wolfmitchell | no command for it |
| 23:41.19 | wolfmitchell | erm, no modfprobe |
| 23:41.21 | LtL | wolfmitchell: that .bin file doesn't exist? |
| 23:41.38 | wolfmitchell | there is no modules.builtin.bin but there is a modules.builtin |
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| 23:45.57 | LtL | wolfmitchell: you might try installing firmware-linux-nonfree, but i kind of doubt that will do. google shows various bugs with that |
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| 23:47.15 | wolfmitchell | aand now there is no modules.builtin |
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| 23:47.53 | LtL | wolfmitchell: modfprobe was a typo, sorry |
| 23:48.50 | moof2 | how many things are in /lib/modules? |
| 23:49.08 | wolfmitchell | 2 |
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| 23:49.37 | moof2 | so you have two kernel image packages installed (I guess "linux-image") |
| 23:49.44 | wolfmitchell | for the only kernel that actually works on my computer (2.6.32-5-amd64), 10 |
| 23:50.06 | moof2 | are you running squeeze? |
| 23:50.15 | moof2 | if so, meetoo |
| 23:50.26 | wolfmitchell | 3.2.0-4-amd64 is not working with USB at all |
| 23:50.46 | wolfmitchell | it has errors from what looks like the kernel, google shows it's a kernel bug |
| 23:50.50 | moof2 | is there an initrd in /boot? |
| 23:50.51 | wolfmitchell | I'm on wheezy |
| 23:50.52 | moof2 | also |
| 23:51.00 | moof2 | do you have dracut installed? |
| 23:51.01 | wolfmitchell | yes |
| 23:51.07 | wolfmitchell | dracut, no |
| 23:51.21 | wolfmitchell | what is it? |
| 23:51.56 | moof2 | it's a broken replacement for the thing that builds initrd images |
| 23:52.14 | moof2 | so your kernel, it boots? |
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| 23:52.19 | wolfmitchell | yeah |
| 23:52.29 | moof2 | howbout the newer one? |
| 23:52.34 | wolfmitchell | the newer one does |
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| 23:52.40 | wolfmitchell | but the problem is this: |
| 23:53.06 | moof2 | (maybe this line of questioning can help you, also maybe it can help me) |
| 23:53.08 | wolfmitchell | When plugging in or unplugging USB devices, a bunch of errors come up |
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| 23:53.30 | wolfmitchell | I forgot what it was, but some googling shows that it's a bug in newer kernel |
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| 23:53.55 | wolfmitchell | brb connecting on my linux box, right now I'm on via my windows laptop |
| 23:54.01 | mtn | wolfmitchell: that kernel works fine with usb for the rest of us |
| 23:54.03 | wolfmitchell | <3 znc |
| 23:54.07 | moof2 | what about the earlier ones, like -3 |
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| 23:54.55 | wolfmitchell | k, on debian box |
| 23:54.57 | wolfmitchell | what do you mean by '-3'? |
| 23:55.22 | wolfmitchell | oh |
| 23:55.40 | moof2 | umm... could you show the uname -r of the new kernel? (look in /lib/modules) |
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| 23:56.19 | wolfmitchell | moof2, USB does not work at all in that kernel and I only have USB keyboards so I cant switch to a text-only tty |
| 23:56.29 | wolfmitchell | I'm on my 2.6 kernel |
| 23:56.53 | moof2 | I get that part... |
| 23:57.04 | petn-randall | wolfmitchell: Do you have another PC to ssh into the broken machine? |
| 23:57.12 | wolfmitchell | petemc, yeah |
| 23:57.28 | wolfmitchell | lemme shutdown my MC server |
| 23:57.35 | chrisirc_ | Why is iceweasel periodically (once every hour, or once every ~5 minutes) eating all the cpu for some time (seconds to 10minutes at a time)? This happened in Squeeze already and now still with Wheezy. |
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| 23:58.07 | chrisirc_ | Most of the time it is the only reason the fan on my latop is coming on. For no visible reason. |
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| 23:58.34 | petn-randall | chrisirc_: Can't reproduce your problem here. It's probably flash ads on some pages? |
| 23:58.35 | wolfmitchell | k, rebooting |
| 23:58.36 | moof2 | wolfmitchell, what does ls /lib/modules | grep '3\.2' |
| 23:58.38 | moof2 | sau? |
| 23:58.45 | chrisirc_ | petn-randall, I don't have flash installed |
| 23:58.50 | wolfmitchell | lemme look |
| 23:59.11 | petn-randall | chrisirc_: you can hook strace onto it and look what it's doing. |
| 23:59.15 | chrisirc_ | petn-randall, also, I was thinking that it's JS, but then why does the same thing not happen when I use chromium? |
| 23:59.38 | *** join/#debian roe (~roe@unaffiliated/roe) |
| 23:59.39 | wolfmitchell | moof2, 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 23:59.49 | roe | any idea why can't I auth to the cups web interface? root and my user are both in the lpadmin and lp group |