| 00:00.04 | kyconquers | lakcaj, yes. that works. the problem arises when a user creates a new file and another user needs to use that file in the middle of the day. I can keep changing them. |
| 00:00.12 | dizzylizzy | update-grub is now returning that it finds a kernel in /boot |
| 00:01.05 | kyconquers | lakcaj, I found my solution. I needed to change the GID of the user to that of the group in /etc/passwd. now all new files from them are owned by the group. |
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| 00:01.11 | kyconquers | lakcaj, thanks. :) |
| 00:01.17 | dizzylizzy | and my grub.cfg file now has debian listed in its menu entries. Hooray. I should be less silly next time i use lvm. |
| 00:02.24 | lakcaj | kyconquers, I still don't understand what you mean by "I can keep changin them". You don't need to run that chmod command for every file. You run it once and only once on the parent directory. That's it. Everything in there now gets group www-data when the file is created. |
| 00:02.45 | kyconquers | lakcaj, yes to change them once. |
| 00:02.53 | lakcaj | no! |
| 00:02.57 | kyconquers | but other users are going to add new files. |
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| 00:03.23 | lakcaj | ffs |
| 00:03.24 | kyconquers | I know that command will fix all existing file there. |
| 00:03.29 | lakcaj | and new ones! |
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| 00:03.40 | lakcaj | friggin try it, it will take 10 seconds |
| 00:03.46 | kyconquers | I did. |
| 00:03.51 | oseiro | hi |
| 00:04.17 | kyconquers | when I created new files useing the users they were owned by bob:bob not bob:www-data |
| 00:04.18 | dizzylizzy | AlexLikeRock: so yeah, I got it. :) Thanks for helping |
| 00:04.28 | lakcaj | kyconquers, then you did something wrong |
| 00:04.41 | AlexLikeRock | your welcom dizzy |
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| 00:07.00 | zianya_ | done im back with the cd |
| 00:07.06 | kyconquers | lakcaj, that command changes the ownership of all existing files in the directory, but I don't think (nor does it in my testing) it set a rule to change any new files. |
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| 00:07.33 | kyconquers | creating new files after the command is run seems to have no effect. |
| 00:07.49 | kyconquers | but changing the user's GID did fix my problem. |
| 00:08.02 | lakcaj | kyconquers: http://pastebin.com/Mv1yY821 |
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| 00:09.19 | kyconquers | lakcaj, what is bob's GID? is it set to www-data's? |
| 00:09.23 | lakcaj | no |
| 00:09.48 | AlexLikeRock | no le agas caso |
| 00:09.51 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.54 | AlexLikeRock | sorry |
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| 00:11.44 | lakcaj | kyconquers, notice I created the new file as root within the directory owned by bob:www-data and the new file had root:www-data ownership |
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| 00:16.46 | kyconquers | lakcaj, ok it works. |
| 00:17.18 | pav5088 | #692808 (grave) - The ldap enabled version of isc-dhcp-server lacks ldap support (due to a build logic error - patch is provided in bug description). Is it too late for the fix to get into Wheezy? |
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| 00:33.12 | lakcaj | kyconquers, :-) |
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| 00:41.46 | chengshiding | the time of wheezy release? |
| 00:42.10 | dvs | !topicsmite chengshiding |
| 00:42.10 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon chengshiding. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 00:43.26 | chengshiding | the time of wheezy release? |
| 00:44.31 | mumpitze1 | !wir |
| 00:44.31 | dpkg | somebody said wir was When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 00:44.48 | dvs | !topicsmite mumpitze1 |
| 00:44.48 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon mumpitze1. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 00:47.01 | nickgaw | Hi, I was told to do rsync -rvh directory1 directory2 what do the r and h options do for rsync? |
| 00:47.26 | zykotick9 | nickgaw: a "man rsync" will show you. |
| 00:47.38 | chengshiding | i found a bug for gedit |
| 00:48.27 | ahimza | rtfm |
| 00:49.38 | nickgaw | what channel would be the best channel to ask some questions about the western digital drives like the passport mybook and the other external one they make I forget what it is called? |
| 00:50.01 | zykotick9 | nickgaw: you could try ##hardware |
| 00:50.52 | nickgaw | my main question is if I use the western digital smart software to lock my drive with an encryption key can I use linux to unlock it to get at the data? |
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| 00:58.54 | nickgaw | the drive is called the element it is an external hard drive that uses micro usb I was mainly trying to find out what the differences are in the element and the passport as they both only require usb power anyone here know? |
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| 01:15.24 | mmnicolas | nickng: you're better off using something better, like LUKS or truecrypt |
| 01:15.49 | dvs | mmnicolas: he's gone |
| 01:15.58 | mmnicolas | oh |
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| 01:28.17 | nu1x | why is linebreak broken in this channel but not in any other (others have proper word wrap @ my window ?) |
| 01:29.39 | zykotick9 | nu1x: i don't really see how it could be channel specific, what client are you using? |
| 01:30.13 | nu1x | chatzilla 0.9.90 @ windows 7 64 |
| 01:30.21 | zykotick9 | pufff |
| 01:30.51 | nu1x | this channel is the first and only channel to break my lines |
| 01:31.40 | mmnicolas | there is a special channel flag set to do that. |
| 01:31.49 | nu1x | oh |
| 01:32.10 | zykotick9 | mmnicolas: oh, that's interesting... |
| 01:32.14 | nu1x | ok |
| 01:32.24 | innmalint | can anyone help me find out how to build kernel headers? I'm currently using 3.9.0, installed it with make menuconfig |
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| 01:33.03 | mumpitze1 | innmalint: you cannot install anything with make menuconfig. have you used kernel-package? |
| 01:33.23 | mumpitze1 | !tell innmalint about kp mantra |
| 01:38.06 | innmalint | mumpitzel it's also installed, i just meant i didn't go through aptitude. it runs succesfully but when i attempt to install nvidia drivers it says headers could not be found |
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| 01:39.41 | mumpitze1 | innmalint: dpkg -l |grep `uname -r` |
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| 01:41.23 | innmalint | mumpitzel: no output |
| 01:42.20 | mumpitze1 | then no kernel at all is installed. make sure you copied+pasted it correctly, those are backticks |
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| 01:42.36 | dvs | innmalint: those are backquotes (below the ~) |
| 01:43.03 | innmalint | you're right, but still no outlook. even ran as root. uname -r provides 3.9.0 |
| 01:43.14 | un214 | are you sure he didn't do make menuconfig ; make clean ; make ; make modules ; make install ? |
| 01:43.16 | mumpitze1 | how did you install your current kernel? |
| 01:43.39 | innmalint | just as un214 described |
| 01:43.53 | mumpitze1 | that's your problem. learn to use kernel-package |
| 01:44.16 | innmalint | i was gonna say, there seemed to be several ways to do it and this was the only one i'm familiar with. |
| 01:44.55 | mumpitze1 | and let me guess, you downloaded the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com and tried to install them? |
| 01:44.55 | un214 | that's how I used to do it, and still would if I didn't need a certain module (Nvidia) |
| 01:45.17 | innmalint | no no i was going to do that through aptitude. |
| 01:46.01 | mumpitze1 | one can still do it that way. it's a bad idea and one needs to make sure the headers and sourcesare where they need to be by hand but it's doable. it's just that kp is a lot nicer, easier and a lot cleaner to use |
| 01:46.10 | un214 | innmalint: those methods don't mix. |
| 01:46.55 | un214 | mumpitze1: isn't there a kernel-headers package you can install as a build-dep of libc? |
| 01:47.01 | innmalint | understandable. kernel package looks managable and much more convenient. |
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| 01:49.21 | pgb_ | Hi. |
| 01:49.22 | innmalint | \part |
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| 01:50.26 | pgb_ | people....I use Debian Wheezy, and I instal one ATI 7770 HDMI, and my sound stop? How I can fix it? |
| 01:51.12 | mmnicolas | pgb_: tell your bios to use the onboard audio instead of "Auto" |
| 01:51.50 | mmnicolas | your sound didn't stop, its probably just routed to your hdmi |
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| 01:53.38 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, uhmmm...in Gnome...the hardware apears: Ficticious |
| 01:54.06 | mumpitzel | it does not. your new videocard comes with an additional soundcard. so now you have 2 soundcards and currently you are using the wrong one |
| 01:54.08 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, in output. |
| 01:54.49 | mmnicolas | pgb_: just see if you have that option in your bios, your onboard audio will be back to the default soundcard |
| 01:55.03 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, uhmmm...I think this too...but, how I can fix it? |
| 01:55.10 | mmnicolas | I just told you |
| 01:55.33 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, sorry...your message apears now... |
| 01:56.11 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, my bios, have onle deactive soundcard. |
| 01:56.21 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, only |
| 01:58.23 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, in alsamixer, case I press F6, apears my sound card. |
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| 01:59.58 | mmnicolas | what is it labelled ? "1" ? create ~/.asoundrc and add theses lines: http://paste.debian.net/2004/ |
| 01:59.58 | isaias | my audio works for a while, then it stops working and I have to reboot to get it to work again |
| 02:00.24 | isaias | I'm tired of rebooting :( it didnt do this before |
| 02:00.42 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, I minute. |
| 02:00.58 | mmnicolas | isaias: if logging out doesn't work chances are it's a hardware issue |
| 02:01.34 | mmnicolas | see if anything happens in /var/log/dmesg when the loss occurs |
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| 02:03.49 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, ok...I create. |
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| 02:05.20 | mmnicolas | replace 1 by whatever was the value in alsamixer for the card you want |
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| 02:07.36 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, Ok...I change to "0" |
| 02:09.39 | pgb_ | Sorry my poor english, I a Brasilian, In brasilian debian IRC, nobody help...They only tk:"read the docs debian! Search en google!" |
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| 02:11.16 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, and now? I restart or reinicialise a Gnome? |
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| 02:11.38 | mmnicolas | pgb_: no, newly started application should pick it up |
| 02:11.50 | anew | sudo /etc/init.d/nscd restart can anyone help me what i did with this command now i cant connect to my server |
| 02:12.37 | pgb_ | I re-run alsamixer...no changesno changes |
| 02:12.56 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, I re-run alsamixer...no changesno changes |
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| 02:14.08 | Guest5022 | Hello all. |
| 02:14.12 | mumpitzel | anew: you restarted your name server caching daemon. why you would have that daemon in the first place is a mystery |
| 02:14.19 | Guest5022 | I have a debian Dom0 running xen |
| 02:14.25 | mmnicolas | pgb_: can you pastebin the output of "aplay -l" |
| 02:14.37 | anew | mumpitzel what do i do ? |
| 02:16.16 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, http://pastebin.com/pfUfQfBd |
| 02:16.17 | anew | i cant connect now |
| 02:16.19 | anew | what should i do |
| 02:16.52 | mumpitzel | how are you trying to connect? |
| 02:17.26 | anew | ssh |
| 02:17.29 | mmnicolas | pgb_: and when in alsamixer you hit F6 and you can see them ? |
| 02:18.24 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, in root mode? |
| 02:18.28 | mumpitzel | and what is the command you use and the error message you get? |
| 02:18.38 | mmnicolas | pgb_: no |
| 02:18.49 | anew | to connect ? i dont get anything, i just get trying to connect and it doesnt |
| 02:19.09 | mumpitzel | telnet <ip of ssh server> 22 what does it do? |
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| 02:19.37 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, only apears a root mode. |
| 02:19.53 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, HDA Intel PCH |
| 02:21.22 | anew | mumpitzel just says 'trying' |
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| 02:23.42 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, as user mode, not apears Intel audio. |
| 02:23.52 | thoonai | gn8 |
| 02:24.08 | mumpitzel | anew: try to ping the ip or traceroute it |
| 02:25.50 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, I a stupd! uauaua |
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| 02:26.35 | pgb_ | I change...but in alsamixer F6, nothing changes. |
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| 02:27.08 | anew | phew i got it |
| 02:27.12 | anew | almost wanted to kill myself |
| 02:27.15 | cobra-the-joker | it's not 4/5 already ? |
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| 02:27.50 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, because, the changes not Apers? |
| 02:32.19 | MachinaeWolf | Does anyone know how get the sound back on other things when the sound is all hogged up with one app? |
| 02:36.19 | pgb_ | mmnicolas, U heare? |
| 02:36.37 | zykotick9 | MachinaeWolf: i assume you aren't using PulseAudio? pure alsa doesn't like to share on my system, BUT that's hardware dependent. |
| 02:37.18 | MachinaeWolf | Actually both are installed but alsa is usually the one that does the stuff I think |
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| 02:39.28 | zykotick9 | MachinaeWolf: just an FYI, but pulse and alsa are NOT interchangable. pulse replaces esd, but relies on alsa for the actual hardware support. if you already use pulse and a having issues - i have no idea. best of luck. |
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| 02:40.33 | MachinaeWolf | Well I mean when I try to load things and see the output I usually see things about alsa and not pulse |
| 02:41.06 | pgb_ | .I use Debian Wheezy, and I instal one ATI 7770 HDMI, and my sound stop? How I can fix it? |
| 02:41.23 | ruser | i somehow manage to screw up my X installation. i can login and see the desktop but no "taskbar" or can't launch any programs. only can create a folder. how can i roll back any X changes? |
| 02:41.52 | zykotick9 | MachinaeWolf: i'm just curious, is a browser+flash involved in this? |
| 02:42.20 | pgb_ | I Try change ~/..asoundrc...but nothing changes in alsa mixer. |
| 02:42.26 | MachinaeWolf | Well it's mainly mednafen and renoise zykotick9 |
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| 02:43.15 | zykotick9 | sidenote: have you seen the mednafen in experimental has support for genesis and playstation(experimental)? |
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| 02:44.55 | MachinaeWolf | hmm interesting, no I didn't know that, I run wheezy |
| 02:45.16 | ruser | what window manager is the default one in ubuntu? |
| 02:45.33 | ruser | lightdm? |
| 02:47.06 | zykotick9 | ruser: yes, ubuntu uses lightdm |
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| 02:48.24 | rweitz | hello. each time i do apt-get upgrade, it gets me translation files for en_sg as well as en. is there a way i can stop these translation files from downloading? or just download the en ones? |
| 02:48.57 | apm1 | umm i was wondering when wheezy is released in a few hours , and if suppose the final iso images don't arrive the same time as the announcement , what would "distrowatch" do for the links for downloading it section ? |
| 02:49.44 | ruser | zykotick9: thanks. and what runs in it? compiz? i screwed up my install for x and can't launch any gui apps because i dont' have a "taskbar" |
| 02:50.44 | zykotick9 | ruser: i have no experience with lightdm sorry... i have no idea, but i highly doubt it's compiz - there is no compiz in wheezy for example. |
| 02:51.05 | rweitz | you can delete the . files for gnome, or your desktop environment/window manager and then login again |
| 02:51.14 | rweitz | you will be reinitialised to defaults |
| 02:51.26 | rweitz | maybe you will get your taskbar again :)) |
| 02:52.19 | ruser | rweitz: what are the relevant dot files? dont' want to kill others :) |
| 02:52.31 | ruser | or where is hte skeleton directory that i can move over? |
| 02:53.28 | ruser | nvm found it |
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| 02:54.09 | ruser | thnx |
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| 02:54.22 | rweitz | you can move it, and then get it back |
| 02:56.27 | rweitz | Is there a shortcut to switch tabs in guake? |
| 02:56.33 | rweitz | keyboard shortcut i mean |
| 02:56.44 | rweitz | instead of having to use the mouse to switch between tabs |
| 02:58.07 | raccoon_ | hey, any lvm wizards online? i changed the configuration of my hw controller cards and order of the disks, and added two new disks... now i get the following error when activating the old VG (same disks, just changed controller cards): Partial mode. Incomplete logical volumes will be processed. |
| 02:58.08 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Where can I find a description of virtual packages? |
| 02:58.12 | raccoon_ | what does partial mode mean, in this context_ |
| 02:58.13 | raccoon_ | ? |
| 02:58.31 | MouseTheLuckyDog | and how can I find out if a package is virtual? |
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| 03:00.38 | julian_c | MouseTheLuckyDog: If you are looking at the package in Aptitude, a virtual package will have a "v" next to it. |
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| 03:01.27 | ruser | hey again, when the message pops up softare detected a problem, how can i actually view the details of the said problem? |
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| 03:01.55 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Using sometyhing like dpkg or apt-cache. |
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| 03:02.40 | raccoon_ | i also get the following notice when running "pvscan -v": There are 2 physical volumes missing. |
| 03:03.06 | raccoon_ | but i can't tell which ones it tries to use but can't find :( |
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| 03:13.56 | pgb | mmnicolas, man...nothing changes... |
| 03:14.08 | pgb | mmnicolas, I try all u tk to me. |
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| 03:28.26 | s3a | Hi. Could someone please tell me how to make my screen's contents fit my HDTV (using HDMI) properly? It has something to do with upscaling/upconversion, I think but, I don't know what to do. Could someone please tell me what to do? |
| 03:28.39 | s3a | I'm using an Nvidia card with the proprietary driver. |
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| 03:30.44 | epsilon | what's not properly? |
| 03:31.11 | julian_c | s3a: What is your screen's native resolution? |
| 03:31.17 | s3a | all corners are missing |
| 03:31.19 | s3a | 1920x1080 |
| 03:31.34 | s3a | and that's the resolution i have it set at |
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| 03:34.56 | s3a | epsilon, julian_c |
| 03:35.51 | julian_c | Have you looked at the settings on the TV? Sometimes, overscan crops the edges a bit. |
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| 03:36.07 | s3a | i have |
| 03:36.23 | s3a | there was "wide", zoom" and "normal" or something like that |
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| 03:36.47 | s3a | i think i remember restarting comp with hdtv configured and it auto-detected things properly |
| 03:36.50 | s3a | i'm trying that now |
| 03:37.55 | s3a | i did that and the problem persists |
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| 03:38.11 | s3a | is there not a terminal command that can undo wtv the tv is doing? |
| 03:38.18 | s3a | even if it's not the proper way |
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| 03:38.51 | s3a | by which i mean even if it doesn't tell the tv to not do this "bad thing" but to let it do it and then just undo it using the debian software |
| 03:38.58 | s3a | or OS wtv |
| 03:39.26 | julian_c | Forgot to ask... which desktop environment are you running? |
| 03:39.59 | s3a | xfce |
| 03:40.03 | s3a | julian_c, |
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| 03:41.36 | s3a | i found the overscan feature in the menu :D |
| 03:41.40 | s3a | rebooting soon |
| 03:41.41 | s3a | 2 secs |
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| 03:42.53 | s3a | i checked and havent found it b4 |
| 03:42.59 | s3a | (sry) |
| 03:43.54 | julian_c | Is the TV reporting the expected resolution (however the TV shows the current resolution)? |
| 03:44.20 | s3a | yes software and tv say 1920x1080 |
| 03:44.28 | s3a | i got it working |
| 03:44.35 | s3a | well |
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| 03:44.44 | s3a | there's another glitch now but, i'll look into that later |
| 03:45.02 | s3a | i just wanted to watch something with my mom before we go to bed :) |
| 03:45.05 | julian_c | But you at least see the whole picture? |
| 03:45.13 | s3a | yes i at least see the whole pic |
| 03:45.20 | julian_c | Good. :D |
| 03:45.22 | s3a | it's just the workspace icons are stretched |
| 03:45.38 | s3a | :) for it at least fitting |
| 03:45.44 | s3a | alright thanks guys |
| 03:45.51 | s3a | i'll go watch that show now |
| 03:45.51 | julian_c | You're welcome. |
| 03:45.59 | s3a | bye :) |
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| 03:53.55 | jerome__ | hi all |
| 03:54.28 | jerome__ | I'm writing a simple bash script which exchange ssh key with servers but I would like to be sure about key/certificate |
| 03:55.35 | jerome__ | should I generate key by server I want to auto-connect or one per client ? |
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| 03:57.50 | julian_c | jerome__: It depends on how you will want to handle distribution of the private key. |
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| 03:58.16 | jerome__ | only using ssh, it's with ssh-copy-id tool |
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| 03:59.00 | jerome__ | the best thing is to generate a key per aech server so ? |
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| 04:01.44 | julian_c | The best way to control which machines have access would indeed be to use ssh-copy-id. |
| 04:02.06 | jerome__ | yes |
| 04:02.36 | julian_c | That way, if you have to revoke access, all you have to do is remove that machine's entry in the target machine's authorized_hosts file. |
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| 04:02.58 | jerome__ | but I would like to know, I must generate (ssh-keygen -t dsa) for each server I want to be auto-connected, that's to say, create one id_dsa.pub.server1 id_dsa.pub.server2 ... ? |
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| 04:06.31 | julian_c | Multiple clients AND multiple servers? |
| 04:06.45 | jerome__ | well :) |
| 04:07.00 | jerome__ | sorry about that's difficult to explain |
| 04:07.42 | jerome__ | when you use key for ssh connections, you need to have a key called id_dsa.pub |
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| 04:09.00 | jerome__ | I must create multiple id_dsa.pub on my client for each servers or only one (id_dsa.pub) distributed on each servers ? |
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| 04:11.02 | julian_c | You would create one key pair on each client, using ssh-keygen. From each client, you would then add the public key to each server using ssh-copy-id. Each client would have one key that would be copied to multiple servers. |
| 04:11.24 | jerome__ | ok, :) |
| 04:11.35 | jerome__ | each client would have one key that would be copied to multiple servers ;) |
| 04:11.39 | jerome__ | thanks sir julian_c |
| 04:11.44 | julian_c | You're welcome. |
| 04:11.54 | julian_c | Just wondering... DSA over RSA? |
| 04:12.55 | jerome__ | I have use that link http://www.qth.fr/tag/ssh-copy-id which give an example with DSA key |
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| 04:13.02 | jerome__ | RSA is better secure ? |
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| 04:14.28 | julian_c | RSA is considered more secure (can be up to 4096 bits, compared to 1024 for DSA), but slower for decryption. |
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| 04:15.08 | julian_c | (or can DSA do 2048? need to look that one up again) |
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| 04:15.45 | jerome__ | well I'm not terrorist, I think DSA will be fine for me ;) |
| 04:17.56 | julian_c | More compatible with much older systems, too, if you have them. |
| 04:18.26 | jerome__ | not, only works with debian stable or testing |
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| 04:48.24 | dizzylizzy | glad I remembered good ol' DISPLAY=:0 gnome-shell & |
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| 05:29.05 | apm1 | lcafiero, hi larry :) |
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| 05:40.11 | ipunch | 99.239.192.0 |
| 05:40.15 | ipunch | hit that |
| 05:40.19 | ipunch | if you can |
| 05:40.21 | ipunch | its a dns |
| 05:40.27 | ipunch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:44.25 | Quix86 | hmmm |
| 05:44.34 | Quix86 | netinstall sure is taking a long time.... |
| 05:44.41 | Quix86 | it's probably been an hour and a half |
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| 05:46.03 | apm1 | Quix86, depends on the connection speed and the mirrors you selected for the repos |
| 05:46.07 | mcgreg | hello |
| 05:47.23 | lcafiero | apm1 - hey |
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| 05:47.49 | apm1 | lcafiero, long time no see |
| 05:48.01 | Quix86 | apm1 I didn't select anything and my connection can do about 2mbps down |
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| 05:48.37 | Quix86 | I think it might not like my hardware |
| 05:48.53 | apm1 | Quix86, i don't think thats the problem |
| 05:48.59 | Quix86 | wellllll |
| 05:49.01 | apm1 | its just downloading packages |
| 05:49.11 | Quix86 | it didn't take as long on my other laptop |
| 05:49.13 | mcgreg | I have bene compiling kernelf from https://www.kernel.org/ for a long time now and it was always okay. with the very current version 3.9+ the kernel doesnt boot anymore - when I try to boot it says : ... "failed to execute /init" , then goes to busybox and I cant anything anymore. this actually works fine with kernel 3.9 - is this more likely a kernel problem or some kind of local configuration problem? or a problem my initramfs doesnt work |
| 05:49.14 | mcgreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.29 | apm1 | Quix86, maybe you are getting less speed today |
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| 05:49.45 | Quix86 | apm1 guess my cpu |
| 05:49.50 | Quix86 | it's x86 |
| 05:49.55 | apm1 | amd apu e350 |
| 05:49.59 | Quix86 | slower |
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| 05:50.09 | apm1 | atom n2600 |
| 05:50.11 | Quix86 | slower |
| 05:50.24 | apm1 | celron circa 2000 |
| 05:50.27 | Quix86 | slower |
| 05:50.42 | apm1 | an early i386 that linus used |
| 05:50.45 | Quix86 | nop |
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| 05:50.52 | Quix86 | It's a media GX! |
| 05:50.57 | Quix86 | with MMX! |
| 05:50.59 | Quix86 | a knock off P1 |
| 05:51.01 | Quix86 | pretty much |
| 05:51.14 | apm1 | Quix86, idk how thats gonna turn out |
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| 05:51.31 | Quix86 | well I don't plan on the desktop being very usable at all |
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| 05:51.43 | Quix86 | hopefully CLI works |
| 05:51.55 | Quix86 | I tried DSL earlier but it was just |
| 05:51.56 | Quix86 | blech |
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| 05:52.14 | diegoviola | hi |
| 05:52.16 | Quix86 | I mean you use debian and think "man these packages are outdated" |
| 05:52.44 | Quix86 | then you use an OS based on a version of debian that was new what, 7 years ago? |
| 05:52.49 | Quix86 | just doesn't work |
| 05:53.16 | diegoviola | i'm trying to set up an email server with postfix and dovecot, i need a basic email server for sending/receiving email, but i also need to throw an web interface to it so clients can create users, etc, what do you guys recommend? |
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| 05:56.18 | apm1 | Quix86, did you try running haiku on it ? |
| 05:56.45 | baudtack | anyone around that has google-earth installed? can you check to see if search on mars is working? |
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| 05:58.54 | Quix86 | haven't even heard of that |
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| 06:05.12 | Quix86 | wwwwwelp |
| 06:05.19 | apm1 | Quix86, why what happened ? |
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| 06:05.39 | Quix86 | it's been surely close to 2 hours and I'm at the "select and install software" loading bit |
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| 06:06.15 | apm1 | Quix86, i think your hardware is too slow to even run the installer |
| 06:06.27 | apm1 | my advice abandon hope and ship |
| 06:06.34 | apm1 | XD |
| 06:06.34 | Quix86 | not 2 hours in |
| 06:06.46 | apm1 | your choice your stuff |
| 06:08.01 | apm1 | well a P1 equivalent is obviously not a recommended machine to install wheezy on |
| 06:08.27 | apm1 | i think even the release notes would have a faster machine as the abre minimum |
| 06:08.32 | apm1 | *bare |
| 06:09.26 | apm1 | however i believe you milking an old machine makes me actually feel a bit good abt humanity :) |
| 06:09.55 | Quix86 | I like old stuffs |
| 06:10.06 | Quix86 | although this is pretty much on the boarderline of usability |
| 06:10.38 | apm1 | Quix86, pm ? |
| 06:10.48 | Quix86 | part of me wants to pick up a powerbook 1400/3400 or so, but doing anything with one of those would be very, very difficult |
| 06:10.48 | Quix86 | sure |
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| 06:15.32 | baudtack | hrm... would upgrading libc-bin to experimental be a really stupid idea? something inside me says yes |
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| 06:19.18 | Blue1 | baudtack: Ymmv applies. |
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| 07:27.49 | apm1 | so the last 3 rc bugs remaining are installer and upgrade stuff |
| 07:29.47 | apm1 | hope you guys get them soon too :) |
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| 07:33.16 | fuqi | anyone else having speed drops/hangs while downloading with kernel 2.6.35-3.x ? |
| 07:34.47 | fuqi | http://i.imgur.com/5Uo7q06.png |
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| 07:36.07 | fuqi | nload |
| 07:36.12 | digdilem | cheers |
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| 08:30.39 | Dudytz | hi all! there are news to the final release of debian 7 ? |
| 08:30.59 | Dudytz | today or tomorrow? |
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| 08:32.54 | RafaelK | good morning folks, |
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| 08:34.23 | ectospasm | Dudytz: see the topic. Today or tomorrow! |
| 08:35.02 | Dudytz | no noe |
| 08:35.10 | Dudytz | * no news .. tks |
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| 08:37.19 | brontosaurusrex | what would be a standalone, browser independent, light bookmark manager? |
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| 08:46.52 | nyuszika7h | is wheezy going to be released tomorrow or so? |
| 08:47.08 | nyuszika7h | or maybe even today, who knows |
| 08:47.16 | xand | apparently. |
| 08:47.21 | maxxe | i really hope so :) |
| 08:47.31 | nyuszika7h | I'm already running wheezy on my server :P |
| 08:47.47 | truexfan81 | nyuszika7h: i'm already running wheezy on my server and netbook :P |
| 08:47.52 | nyuszika7h | it had like 68 days of uptime but I had to shut it down because of a hardware migration :( |
| 08:48.15 | nyuszika7h | truexfan81: I use Xubuntu 13.04 on my old laptop, because I needed something lightweight and I didn't want to mess with the Arch and i3 stuff that I have set up on my other laptop which needs a keyboard replacement :P |
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| 08:49.02 | nyuszika7h | this laptop is like from 2006, the CPU is an Intel Pentium M 740 1.73 GHz, i686 (32 bit) and the GPU is an nVIDIA GeForce Go 7300, 256 MB VRAM, lol |
| 08:49.08 | truexfan81 | i have never really thought of ubuntu as being light regardless of the DE :P |
| 08:49.28 | nyuszika7h | truexfan81: it does have a lot of packages, but Xubuntu is pretty much lightweight on the GPU |
| 08:49.40 | nyuszika7h | especially if you turn off compositing |
| 08:50.04 | nyuszika7h | on the other hand, with nouveau, Unity Dash glitches and lags as hell, it takes minutes to get out of it |
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| 08:50.13 | truexfan81 | xfce compositor uses sw composoting i believe |
| 08:50.35 | nyuszika7h | truexfan81: not sure, but anyway I heard compositing off is better for 3D apps :P |
| 08:50.40 | maxxe | the only important is much memory and cpu speed. the gfx card makes less sense |
| 08:50.51 | nyuszika7h | 1.5 GB DDR2 RAM here |
| 08:51.05 | truexfan81 | on my netbook i'm using the kde window decorator with my xfce (mainly for its compositor) |
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| 08:51.18 | nyuszika7h | KWin with XFCE? o_O |
| 08:52.01 | truexfan81 | yep its nice, also helps when i stream from sites like justin.tv, the compositor seems to kill the flash video tearing :) |
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| 08:55.10 | RafaelK | what makes dpkg-buildpackage --source-option= …? |
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| 08:56.01 | truexfan81 | what? |
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| 08:56.42 | nyuszika7h | RafaelK: man dpkg-source |
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| 08:57.24 | truexfan81 | wishes all builds would work with make deb-pkg |
| 08:57.44 | RafaelK | I want to install Wheeze's PHP version on Squeeze but parallel to Squeeze's. So I must change PHP's --prefix and other options for source. How can change this options for compiling? Can I change that in debian/rules or has dpkg-buildpackage some option for that? |
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| 09:01.29 | truexfan81 | RafaelK: why not just run the newer of the 2 versions? |
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| 09:02.38 | naxtori | I usually run sid, but whenever I've wanted to bring an old stable to sid, I've simply done 'aptitude dist-upgrade' followed by a few 'aptitude safe-upgrade' until it stops complaining. (Sledgehammer approach :-) A friend has been talking with me about upgrading his Ubuntu system and it seems their recommendation is to do an upgrade to each "release". Seems like a lot of work. What's wrong with the old sledgehammer treatment? |
| 09:04.38 | nkuttler | naxtori: you should ask #ubuntu |
| 09:04.45 | Towzzer | I think the sledgehammer is to format |
| 09:04.49 | Towzzer | which I always do |
| 09:05.05 | naxtori | no point wasting an existing system with a format |
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| 09:05.39 | ectospasm | I dunno, upgrading from previous releases in Debian has always gone a lot smoother for me than other distros. |
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| 09:05.56 | truexfan81 | maxxe: if you did a apt upgrade to a newer ubuntu you will end up spending twice as much time on fixing it as it would take to just format and start fresh |
| 09:06.09 | ectospasm | naxtori: using the dist-upgrade method is preferable. |
| 09:06.11 | naxtori | nkuttler: i could [ask #ubuntu], but they'll probably point me to #debian to ask about my aproach to my debian systems :-) |
| 09:06.29 | ectospasm | at least that's my view |
| 09:06.40 | maxxe | truexfan81: i don't use ubuntu :) |
| 09:06.50 | nkuttler | naxtori: i see. i misread you. just dist-upgrade |
| 09:06.56 | ectospasm | I can't speak for Ubuntu, it always seemed to work better when I installed a new release fresh |
| 09:07.22 | truexfan81 | maxxe: oops tab complete on irssi is different than what i'm used to on hexchat, sorry |
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| 09:07.33 | nkuttler | i always dist upgrade, have been for a decade. works fine |
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| 09:07.58 | nkuttler | it's not like you can "install" sid anyway |
| 09:07.59 | maxxe | truexfan81: hehe. irssi rules. no problem :) |
| 09:08.13 | zeroxia | before dist-upgrade, is it necessary to remove softwares installed at /usr/local/ or /opt ? |
| 09:08.29 | nkuttler | zeroxia: no, but stuff could break i guess |
| 09:08.39 | naxtori | zeroxia: no. generally speaking. |
| 09:09.11 | naxtori | yet another reason to [dist]-upgrade rather than nuke |
| 09:09.14 | zeroxia | and how about packages installed from 3rd-party sources as listed in sources.list? |
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| 09:09.26 | nkuttler | zeroxia: 3rd party? like? |
| 09:09.32 | zeroxia | like google-chrome |
| 09:09.47 | zeroxia | like debian multimedia, is that also "3rd-party"? |
| 09:09.51 | nkuttler | what's wrong with chromium? ask google support |
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| 09:10.02 | truexfan81 | maxtori if you did a apt upgrade to a newer ubuntu you will end up spending twice as much time on fixing it as it would take to just format and start fresh |
| 09:10.15 | zeroxia | and mozilla.debian.net for latest Firefox. |
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| 09:11.01 | zeroxia | Because stuff in official repository is very outdated, I add some of these sources to get recent versions. |
| 09:11.27 | nkuttler | zeroxia: you know about backports? |
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| 09:11.40 | naxtori | truexfan81's comment above "do upgrade/waste as much time fixing" is my issue. why bother fixing the intermediate issues? at least a complete upgrade to the latest is only going to break the system once. |
| 09:12.00 | zeroxia | I have also the backport line in my sources.list. |
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| 09:12.27 | zeroxia | but that does not include google-chrome or firefox 20, etc. |
| 09:12.37 | truexfan81 | naxtori: have fun spending hours and hours fixing broken packages then :) |
| 09:13.21 | bw_ | zeroxia: both firefox(iceweasel) and chromium are in experimental with the most recent version |
| 09:13.24 | mumpitzel | zeroxia: mozilla.debian.net should, no? |
| 09:13.49 | maxxe | ubuntu spys on its users (at least according to richard stallman) |
| 09:13.59 | naxtori | perhaps. it just seems so... unprofessional... doing a reformat. |
| 09:14.06 | zeroxia | I have also locally self-built .deb installed in the squeeze system. |
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| 09:15.20 | zeroxia | All these stuff cumulated during the 3 years of using. |
| 09:15.37 | mumpitzel | and? |
| 09:15.41 | nkuttler | zeroxia: you have 3 year old packages you don't upgrade? |
| 09:16.12 | zeroxia | Now google-chrome 28 cannot be upgraded as it requires a newer version of libudev.so.1, which is not available in squeeze repository. |
| 09:16.18 | zeroxia | I think it's time to upgrade to wheezy. |
| 09:16.40 | brontosaurusrex | zeroxia, a desktop? |
| 09:16.48 | zeroxia | yes... |
| 09:17.11 | zeroxia | I'm using squeeze as Desktop. |
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| 09:17.27 | zeroxia | which flavor do you use for that? |
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| 09:17.40 | zeroxia | I'm considering use sid. |
| 09:18.13 | brontosaurusrex | well iam on wheezy, but lot of people are running sid |
| 09:18.17 | maxxe | i use squeeze as desktop as well. however hopefully wheezy will be released today :) |
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| 09:18.51 | zeroxia | If i'm using unstable, no such hassle to find up-to-date applications, and even no hassle to build some of them myself. |
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| 09:18.57 | pav5088 | zeroxia, what you can do is remove and purge certain packages, then reinstall. You might want to back up your configuration though just in case. |
| 09:19.03 | brontosaurusrex | if the # of updates is telling anything, than release must be close |
| 09:19.35 | zeroxia | But I'm afraid someday after apt-get upgrade, sid might just stops working. |
| 09:19.36 | bw_ | zeroxia: as said, the firefox and chromium packages from experimental running fine on wheezy |
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| 09:20.01 | zeroxia | Is it fine to use "experimental" source in "stable"? |
| 09:20.17 | brontosaurusrex | zeroxia, afaik no |
| 09:20.23 | bw_ | with apt-pinning thre is nothing to worry about |
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| 09:20.58 | RafaelK | truexfan81: sorry I was afk. I need that for tests and because i must activate and deactivate some in PHP from wheeze or DOTDEB |
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| 09:21.26 | bw_ | and keeping an eye on the packages apt will get, if its a ton of .. don't do it ;) |
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| 09:22.51 | bw_ | e.g. iceweasel just needs iceweasel, xulrunner-* and libmozjs* from experimental to run on the wheezy, for chromium its just chromium |
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| 10:26.29 | phaidros | is there some webgui to easily manage samba users, groups and shares recommended ? |
| 10:28.43 | nkuttler | what kind of version string is 3.7.13-1+deb7u1 ? |
| 10:29.19 | nkuttler | ,v libsqlite3-0 |
| 10:29.20 | judd | Package: libsqlite3-0 on i386 -- squeeze: 3.7.3-1; squeeze-backports: 3.7.13-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.7.13-1+deb7u1; sid: 3.7.16.2-1 |
| 10:29.29 | nkuttler | ,v sqlite3 |
| 10:29.32 | judd | Package: sqlite3 on i386 -- squeeze: 3.7.3-1; squeeze-backports: 3.7.13-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.7.13-1+deb7u1; sid: 3.7.16.2-1 |
| 10:29.37 | abrotman | phaidros: swat, which the samba docs mention constantly? |
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| 10:30.09 | phaidros | abrotman: ah, sure. forgot that .. I used to use zentyal for midsize setup since years .. |
| 10:30.12 | phaidros | thanx abrotman |
| 10:30.20 | abrotman | nkuttler: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields#s-f-Version |
| 10:30.36 | abrotman | nkuttler: maybe? |
| 10:30.59 | nkuttler | abrotman: ty |
| 10:31.10 | phaidros | abrotman: SWAT is no longer actively maintained, and its default configuration is not secure for use over an untrusted network. |
| 10:31.21 | phaidros | thats what is written here: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/swat |
| 10:31.22 | phaidros | :/ |
| 10:31.46 | abrotman | phaidros: are you configuring swat over the internet? |
| 10:31.51 | phaidros | then again it s not an untrusted network and webserver security is no issue for me .. |
| 10:32.03 | phaidros | but not actively maintained *might* become an issue :) |
| 10:32.26 | abrotman | only if it doesn't work |
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| 10:34.40 | phaidros | how does swat handle users? smbusers or unix users? |
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| 10:42.07 | phaidros | abrotman: then again, swat is not really user friendly. I just can't let my mom use it :D |
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| 10:46.53 | abrotman | phaidros: wait, how many shares does your mom need to make? |
| 10:47.25 | nkuttler | ,v xulrunner-10.0 |
| 10:47.27 | judd | Package: xulrunner-10.0 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 10.0.6esr-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; sid: 10.0.12esr-1+nmu1 |
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| 10:48.25 | nkuttler | ,v libmozjs10d |
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| 10:52.41 | phaidros | abrotman: well, mom/secretary/teacher |
| 10:52.55 | phaidros | a lot of people no being unix gurus :) |
| 10:53.19 | phaidros | and basically, it is not about the shares, it is about the users and group permissions for the shares |
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| 10:58.38 | phaidros | hmkay, so it is gonna be zentyal again .. :) |
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| 11:00.08 | efegurkan | hi guys, |
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| 11:01.54 | efegurkan | I resized my root partition. After that sometimes Gnome freezes for 5-10 seconds. tail says :[Hardware Error]: Machine check events logged |
| 11:02.10 | efegurkan | Any suggestions? |
| 11:02.15 | ectospasm | MCEs are bad, generally means you have a bad piece of hardware. |
| 11:02.19 | mumpitzel | phaidros: doesn't ubuntu or gnome3 have some GUI for opening network shares? |
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| 11:02.51 | mumpitzel | efegurkan: MCE points to CPU, maybe RAM. Nothing with harddisks |
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| 11:03.26 | mumpitzel | efegurkan: tell us the full error message |
| 11:04.00 | efegurkan | mumpitzel: Can it be overheating related? because I used this pc for compiling for a few hours. |
| 11:04.29 | abrotman | phaidros: just teach your mom vi? :) |
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| 11:06.08 | efegurkan | mumpitzel: actually all i can find is this. http://pastebin.ca/2373181 |
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| 11:09.40 | mumpitzel | efegurkan: control your cpu temperature for some time. |
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| 11:10.02 | mumpitzel | what cpu is it with what heatsink? |
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| 11:10.47 | marc_smith | helloo. I've set up Alpine with role account to send emails via remote SMTP, but I keep getting error: "Error sending: Can not authenticate to SMTP server: 334 ok. go on.". Any ideas on how can I solve this? |
| 11:12.13 | mumpitzel | marc_smith: you need to configure your smtp auth properly |
| 11:12.44 | marc_smith | I did it, but it still doesn't work. It works in other mail clients |
| 11:12.52 | marc_smith | with the same config |
| 11:13.04 | ompaul | marc_smith: where are you trying to use? |
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| 11:13.27 | marc_smith | I'm trying to conect to one of the polish email provider - smtp.wp.pl |
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| 11:13.57 | efegurkan | mumpitzel: I have a 4 years old hp laptop which has core 2 duo cpu. I will check if it is overheating related(probably it is). I didn't know mce's are cpu and ram related. Thanks for your help. |
| 11:14.01 | marc_smith | it should accept connections on port 465, but Alpine gives me an error |
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| 11:14.43 | NeverHere | my phpmyadmin has died and i am trying to revive it, can someone help with this? |
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| 11:14.51 | ompaul | marc_smith: a quick search of the internet shows this: Specifically: "334 ok, go on" is not a valid SMTP-SASL challenge, the valid SMTP-SASL challenge isn't being sent, and without that valid challenge Alpine's SMTP-SASL cannot proceed. |
| 11:15.26 | ompaul | marc_smith: so, a server failure on the senders side. |
| 11:15.39 | marc_smith | damn ... can i do anything about it? |
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| 11:16.23 | mumpitzel | yes, configure your alpine software properly |
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| 11:16.38 | mumpitzel | NeverHere: you can give a proper error description. otherwise: no |
| 11:16.56 | marc_smith | well, I copied the exact configuration lines from other e-mail client, so it has to work, right? |
| 11:17.30 | NeverHere | mumpitzel, when i try to access the page in a browser it gives me a "no data recieved" error |
| 11:17.35 | mumpitzel | marc_smith: no it does not |
| 11:18.05 | mumpitzel | NeverHere: does the webserver itself work? does its php work? |
| 11:18.21 | marc_smith | smtp.wp.pl:465/ssl/user=user@wp.pl - what could possibly went wrong here? |
| 11:18.31 | NeverHere | yes just going to the servers address gives me the "it works" page |
| 11:18.53 | mumpitzel | marc_smith: wrong sasl auth |
| 11:19.04 | NeverHere | as far as php working i have not the slightest idea of how to check that |
| 11:19.22 | marc_smith | ok, I'll look for that sasl auth. Thanks mumpitzel, ompaul |
| 11:20.09 | mumpitzel | marc_smith: http://php.net/manual/en/function.phpinfo.php put the example in there into a "testfile.php" and put it into your webserver root dir. then try to access it |
| 11:20.34 | mumpitzel | sorry. that was for NeverHere actually |
| 11:20.50 | phaidros | mumpitzel: opening shares is no issue, the user management of shares is an issue |
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| 11:21.36 | marc_smith | I actually don't own that webserver/mailserver. I just try to connect to it. So if it's broken on their side, I can't do anything about it |
| 11:22.05 | ectospasm | marc_smith: you could contact the support for that server, they may be able to help you directly. |
| 11:22.21 | marc_smith | ok, thx for a suggestion, ectospasm |
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| 11:23.00 | ectospasm | marc_smith: hopefully they should be able to tell what they're seeing from their end, and tell you how to correct it. |
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| 11:23.01 | mumpitzel | marc_smith: it's not broken. your configuration is most likely broken |
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| 11:24.12 | NeverHere | mumpitzel, the php works |
| 11:25.30 | NeverHere | at least i think it does |
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| 11:27.37 | maakri | hey. does anyone know exactly when wheezy is scheduled for release? |
| 11:27.58 | maakri | also, will there be a live version release simultaneously with the normal version? |
| 11:28.31 | maakri | ? |
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| 11:29.26 | abrotman | maakri: *exactly* no |
| 11:29.33 | abrotman | maakri: probably some time this weekend |
| 11:29.52 | abrotman | maakri: and as for live, i'd guess it will lag a few days, but #debian-live on irc.oftc.net would know more |
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| 11:30.09 | maakri | cool. thanks a lot! |
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| 12:00.16 | marc_smith | mumpitzel: man, you were right about that misconfiguration. I added 'disable-these-authenticators=plain' and it finally works - I can send e-mails usinng that mail server. Thanks again |
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| 12:02.52 | vaillor | why if i remove a package, when i do dpkg -l | grep package, it still continues to be in? |
| 12:03.12 | abrotman | be in what? |
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| 12:03.38 | abrotman | vaillor: what's the package status? |
| 12:03.44 | mumpitzel | vaillor: it's not "in", instead of status "ii" it now has status "rc" as in "removed but config files still there" |
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| 12:05.09 | proby | keep calm and build wheezy :D |
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| 12:06.12 | marc_smith | is waiting for new "testing" to come. |
| 12:06.20 | w|t | :D |
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| 12:06.25 | w|t | is too |
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| 12:06.57 | abrotman | kids ... |
| 12:07.18 | marc_smith | are you guys excited about stable release? I'm not, although I use it here and there, mostly on my clients' machines |
| 12:07.27 | sdh | i am excited |
| 12:07.34 | sdh | can't wait to migrate this ubuntu box to wheezy |
| 12:07.44 | marc_smith | aaah, that's understandable, sdh. |
| 12:07.51 | marc_smith | Ubuntu ... |
| 12:08.07 | sdh | recent 12.10 -> 13.04 didn't go very smoothly due to bugs |
| 12:08.52 | mumpitzel | does a ubuntu upgrade go smoothly ever? |
| 12:08.59 | proby | no |
| 12:09.02 | abrotman | does it seem remotely on-topic in #debian? |
| 12:09.04 | marc_smith | lol |
| 12:09.26 | mumpitzel | we're looking for reasons to migrate to debian, abrotman :) |
| 12:09.43 | marc_smith | abrotman: one could possibly argue that Ubuntu is based on Debian, so it is related to #Debian. I wdouln't, though |
| 12:09.46 | marc_smith | ;) |
| 12:10.09 | proby | plus ubuntu is ruining debian so i think it is related |
| 12:10.10 | abrotman | marc_smith: no, you can't, it's offtopic here, end of discussion |
| 12:10.39 | marc_smith | ok, mein fuhrer |
| 12:10.43 | marc_smith | ;) |
| 12:10.47 | abrotman | ... |
| 12:10.57 | NeverHere | just kick him |
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| 12:11.50 | marc_smith | but yeah, Debian is much more interresting topic |
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| 12:14.22 | h00ked | hm... anyone know when switch repos from testing? |
| 12:14.41 | abrotman | huh? |
| 12:14.47 | abrotman | h00ked: to follow wheezy? |
| 12:14.53 | h00ked | yep |
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| 12:14.59 | abrotman | h00ked: now |
| 12:15.04 | h00ked | now i have wheezy testing |
| 12:15.22 | abrotman | h00ked: change your sources now to point at 'wheezy' now |
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| 12:17.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | h00ked, if /etc/apt/sources.list says "testing", you follow testing, whatever the name, if it says "wheezy", you follow wheezy whether it's testing or stable |
| 12:18.23 | monster-internet | Ok best music client with in playlist search function ? |
| 12:18.31 | monster-internet | xmms2 doesnt seem to have it |
| 12:18.36 | monster-internet | ++ graphical |
| 12:18.36 | boudiccas | monster-internet: mpd |
| 12:18.43 | abrotman | monster-internet: audacious |
| 12:18.44 | abrotman | ? |
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| 12:18.54 | abrotman | or quod-libet? |
| 12:18.58 | marc_smith | monster-internet: deadbeef |
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| 12:19.28 | EasyAsPie | hi |
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| 12:19.33 | marc_smith | or Foobnix |
| 12:19.36 | marc_smith | foobar clone |
| 12:19.48 | monster-internet | ill have a look at those thanks guys |
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| 12:20.34 | HarryMudd | Does anyone know, if the release candidate can be upgraded on final release? |
| 12:21.08 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:21.30 | HarryMudd | Sweet, thanks |
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| 12:22.13 | yskapell | Hello |
| 12:22.29 | yskapell | I install debian wheezy |
| 12:22.43 | yskapell | and now I add usb keyboard, but does not work. any idea? |
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| 12:23.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, it's broken? |
| 12:23.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, any idea |
| 12:23.24 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of sex-crazed bunnies. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 12:23.25 | yskapell | No |
| 12:23.29 | yskapell | In windows works |
| 12:23.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | yskapell, check what new lines appear to dmesg when you plug it in |
| 12:23.42 | yskapell | I did dpkg-reconfigure |
| 12:24.38 | yskapell | generic-usb: probe of 0003:04D9:A055.0005 failed with error -22 |
| 12:25.05 | abrotman | that's not good |
| 12:25.16 | abrotman | yskapell: what is 'uname -a'? |
| 12:25.34 | yskapell | Linux sith 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.41-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 12:29.02 | sdh | does debian support 6.0 -> 7.0 upgrade using apt-get ? |
| 12:29.04 | vaillor | how to download new debian release? |
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| 12:29.38 | abrotman | vaillor: it hasn't been released yet .. but you can get the installer from debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:29.42 | abrotman | sdh: yes |
| 12:29.58 | sdh | abrotman: cool thanks. |
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| 12:30.10 | abrotman | !tell sdh about squeeze->wheezy |
| 12:30.34 | sdh | many thanks |
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| 12:31.08 | vaillor | abrotman, and when the official release will be given? |
| 12:32.03 | abrotman | vaillor: we don't know .. we tihnk some time this weekend |
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| 12:32.07 | yskapell | any idea? |
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| 12:32.12 | monster-internet | abrotman, so got audacious looks very good so far except the search isn't really working |
| 12:32.21 | abrotman | monster-internet: "really" ? |
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| 12:33.05 | monster-internet | abrotman, well crtrl + f only like higlights it but doesnt scroll the list to the position and doesnt give extended selection plus you need to specify what field to search in |
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| 12:33.27 | abrotman | double checks |
| 12:33.28 | yskapell | I tried firmware-linux-nonfree but nothing |
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| 12:34.02 | monster-internet | abrotman, i guess "create new playlist with search results" kinda is what im looking for cept that i need to change playlist again after |
| 12:34.21 | abrotman | monster-internet: mine scrolled? |
| 12:35.03 | monster-internet | abrotman, im looking for a winamp type search method that opens new window and gives overview as you type for all fields |
| 12:35.21 | abrotman | oh .. let me check quodlibet |
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| 12:36.29 | monster-internet | abrotman, looks interesting |
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| 12:37.34 | abrotman | monster-internet: it doesn't seem to have what you're looking for .. sorry, i guess i didn't realize you wanted some crazy advanced search :) |
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| 12:38.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | amarok? |
| 12:39.06 | Rockj | vaillor: according to twitter test ISO images have been created and is being tested :-)) |
| 12:39.52 | Rockj | This weekend will be a good weekend \:D/ |
| 12:40.26 | vaillor | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 12:40.33 | vaillor | is still 6.0.7 |
| 12:40.50 | monster-internet | abrotman, found one :) aqualung |
| 12:40.52 | Rockj | vaillor: of course, it's not released yet. Their working on the release. |
| 12:41.16 | abrotman | monster-internet: never herd of that one |
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| 12:41.55 | monster-internet | abrotman, its in the standard repos apparently :) |
| 12:42.18 | monster-internet | abrotman, thanks for your efforts anyway |
| 12:42.29 | monster-internet | DEBIAN IS THE BEST SERIOUSLY :) |
| 12:42.51 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 13:12.05 | sneex | hey all -- where exactly are the keyrings kept in debian? My passwd changed BUT the keyring didnt get updated and now I am apparently locked out :P |
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| 13:14.58 | noxs | wheezy definitely tomorrow? |
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| 13:18.56 | MrFrood | noxs: watch this space, the DD's are working like crazed madmen |
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| 13:23.21 | sneex | :P |
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| 13:24.11 | daemonkeeper | noxs: Definitively today (i.e. now) |
| 13:24.31 | daemonkeeper | It's already done in fact. Right now CD/DVDs master images are produced. |
| 13:24.48 | ompaul | when your mirror syncs you will be up to date |
| 13:24.57 | ompaul | or something like that |
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| 13:26.11 | noxs | daemonkeeper: great news, thx! :) |
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| 13:27.06 | noxs | MrFrood: it's party time! :-) |
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| 13:27.39 | daemonkeeper | MrFrood is still partying. |
| 13:27.46 | daemonkeeper | (as discussed elsewhere) |
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| 13:29.58 | noxs | :) |
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| 13:30.05 | milan | i have installed flgrx, and have now a bunch of problems, system is booting to xorg, but i do not have a usable console anymore |
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| 13:30.26 | milan | from f1 to f6 kernel messages are displayed without any change and no login |
| 13:30.52 | milan | last message is, that the kernel has found my pc speaker |
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| 13:31.29 | milan | this is around [6.5..] dmesg has much more entrys |
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| 13:47.27 | jelly-home | where can I get a list of packages installed with the base system? |
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| 13:48.54 | themill | jelly-home: depends how you define "base system" |
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| 13:49.31 | jelly-home | let's define it as "an installation with none of the tasks selected" |
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| 13:50.11 | daemonkeeper | jelly-home: "all packages being essential, or having priority: required or important. |
| 13:50.23 | daemonkeeper | Latter being installed by debootstrap. |
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| 13:51.16 | themill | jelly-home: aptitude search ~prequired ~pimportant; add ~pstandard if you want standard task. Add a kernel and a bootloader if you want to be able to boot. |
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| 13:55.29 | daemonkeeper | doesn't quite understand the reason for priorities working independent of essential: yes. YMMV |
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| 13:56.42 | Devastator | must be hard to create a distro from scratch :P |
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| 13:59.05 | NoCode | When will Wheezy be released? 8 hours? |
| 14:00.26 | Devastator | between day 4, 5, no precise hour |
| 14:00.32 | daemonkeeper | The current ETA is 1952 dinstall time for the public release. |
| 14:00.53 | daemonkeeper | With it likely to be missed because CD/DVD images will take roughly 8 hours I hear. |
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| 14:01.33 | MrFrood | daemonkeeper: is that time UTC? |
| 14:01.33 | Devastator | another router migration this week :( hehe |
| 14:01.53 | daemonkeeper | MrFrood: Yes |
| 14:02.04 | MrFrood | :) |
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| 14:02.12 | aguitel | every time i make :sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade and then it say :The following packages have been kept back: |
| 14:02.12 | aguitel | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.15 | daemonkeeper | Is this your brother MrFrood -^ |
| 14:02.39 | MrFrood | giggles |
| 14:02.58 | daemonkeeper | MrFrood: ftpmaster runs dinstall (i.e. the import of newly uploaded packages) at these times: http://ftp-master.debian.org/#dinstall. The current plan is to use the 1952 slot |
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| 14:03.29 | STMelon | reuf: no |
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| 14:03.35 | daemonkeeper | aguitel: Read the release notes. ia32-libs are gone. |
| 14:03.36 | themill | aguitel: upgrading from squeeze to wheezy? |
| 14:03.37 | Nik05 | reuf is a troll... |
| 14:03.40 | reuf | it was a mistake on my part |
| 14:03.46 | reuf | i missed the / |
| 14:03.50 | reuf | before join |
| 14:03.51 | themill | daemonkeeper: gone-ish |
| 14:04.06 | aguitel | themill, no ,i am in wheezy |
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| 14:04.26 | themill | aguitel: have you enabled i386 as a foreign arch? |
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| 14:05.00 | aguitel | themill, how do that |
| 14:05.06 | themill | dpkg: tell aguitel about upgrade ia32 libs |
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| 14:07.52 | dizzylizzy | wait, iso packaging is happening? http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html |
| 14:07.58 | dizzylizzy | what about the bugs! |
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| 14:11.16 | aguitel | themill, is this correct:http://paste.debian.net/2061/ ? |
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| 14:12.04 | themill | yeah looks reasonable |
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| 14:12.29 | aguitel | themill, but whay remove galculator? |
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| 14:13.24 | daemonkeeper | dizzylizzy: errata material. |
| 14:14.05 | themill | aguitel: no idea. You can always install it again later |
| 14:14.16 | aguitel | themill, a ok thanks |
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| 14:33.32 | Alina-malina | Hi guys i am looking for a chanel where discussing a gsm mobile phone protocols and how to work with them in linux enviromnent, is there anything like that? |
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| 14:34.52 | ompaul | Alina-malina: the closest thing I can think of is openmoko |
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| 14:35.12 | ompaul | Alina-malina: web search for them - I guess they might know stuff |
| 14:35.17 | apm1 | openmoko is dead |
| 14:35.58 | ompaul | apm1: however there are some people still using the hardware |
| 14:36.10 | Alina-malina | hardware? |
| 14:36.17 | apm1 | i have no idea what they do with it |
| 14:36.22 | apm1 | Alina-malina, the phone |
| 14:36.28 | Alina-malina | oh i see |
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| 14:36.35 | apm1 | its a mobile phone basically |
| 14:36.35 | i4c | hi if install debian wheezy rc3 , will it then safely update the bugfixes, the official release has ? and all updates ? |
| 14:36.38 | ompaul | Alina-malina: they are people with open gsm phones |
| 14:36.40 | blackyale | hi all |
| 14:36.45 | daemonkeeper | i4c: Yes. |
| 14:36.50 | daemonkeeper | i4c: Although there are none. |
| 14:36.51 | themill | i4c: there are probably no changes |
| 14:36.53 | ompaul | Alina-malina: they should be able to point you |
| 14:37.07 | Alina-malina | ompaul, ok thanks, i am on their channel right now, but it is seems to be dead |
| 14:37.12 | zeroxia | Wheezy will be released by the end of this week? |
| 14:37.15 | i4c | ah ok thx for answers ! |
| 14:37.24 | daemonkeeper | zeroxia: Technically it's already released. |
| 14:37.48 | zeroxia | Good to know... thanks. |
| 14:38.07 | ompaul | Alina-malina: so I suggest sit there for a bit ask a couple of well formed questions about what you actually want to know and wait |
| 14:38.14 | daemonkeeper | It's all done, people are waiting for the CD/DVD images to be ready until the official announcement follows. |
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| 14:38.33 | ompaul | Alina-malina: and wait - if you need to for 24 hours |
| 14:38.35 | daemonkeeper | and mirror pushes. |
| 14:38.52 | Alina-malina | ompaul, ok, is there anything with android phones? any channel? |
| 14:38.54 | ompaul | it's (A) a weekend and (B) see (A) |
| 14:39.08 | factor | Cinco de Mayo Debian style. Heard a new debian was released |
| 14:39.19 | ompaul | maybe no idea but they don't get to muck around with the gsm part of the phones aiui |
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| 14:39.35 | Alina-malina | ompaul, Does openmoko guys traditionally celebrate all their weeends? |
| 14:39.37 | ompaul | factor: you are too early see topic |
| 14:40.04 | ompaul | Alina-malina: there are not a lot of them and they are geographically scattered |
| 14:40.13 | ompaul | Alina-malina: this is offtopic for here at this point |
| 14:40.24 | Alina-malina | ompaul, ok thank you so much for your help! |
| 14:40.24 | vixxo | daemonkeeper, so teorically if someone want to install the new debian testing, It's possibile without the iso ? |
| 14:40.51 | ompaul | vixxo: the jessie repos won't be visible to you yet afikt |
| 14:41.04 | daemonkeeper | vixxo: Sure. RC3 became the final release without changes as far as I know. Apart from that, you can always dist-upgrade from Squeeze. |
| 14:41.21 | ompaul | testing is testing is testing and going to break badly over the next few days if history can help us be informed about what's going on |
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| 14:41.58 | factor | So its not released yet but in process. |
| 14:42.04 | sdh | just migrated xen server from ubuntu debian wheezy :) |
| 14:42.10 | sdh | er, to debian wheezy |
| 14:42.28 | daemonkeeper | factor: Depends on your level of detail. To you it's not released yet. |
| 14:42.56 | factor | ok |
| 14:43.16 | vixxo | daemonkeeper, dist-upgrade from wheezy you mean... |
| 14:43.17 | julian_c | Once Stable officially points to Wheezy, then it is released. |
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| 14:44.04 | Terminus | hello. is there a way to add a resolution like 1600x1000 to system settings -> displays? i only see 1440x900 then it immediately jumps up to 1680x1050. i want something in the middle of those two settings since i'm running debian in a VM. |
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| 14:44.10 | daemonkeeper | vixxo: Do you mean "Debian Testing" as in Wheezy or as in Jessie? |
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| 14:44.44 | vixxo | daemonkeeper, as in jessie |
| 14:44.47 | ompaul | daemonkeeper: that's a hard question :) |
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| 14:45.03 | vixxo | daemonkeeper, the future testing one :) |
| 14:45.09 | daemonkeeper | vixxo: Ah. Jessie will be an exact copy of Wheezy for a short time later today. |
| 14:45.12 | Terminus | oh, running wheezy here. |
| 14:45.17 | Alexi | Terminus: creating or editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf may help |
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| 14:45.26 | ompaul | vixxo: set the repos to testing and you will there when it happens and then don't cry when it breaks :) |
| 14:45.43 | zeroxia | Terminus: for VirtualBox, after installing guest additions, the display resolution should be handled well. It is automatically adjusted when I resize the container window. |
| 14:45.48 | daemonkeeper | vixxo: At some point shorty thereafter the release managers open the gates, and stuff begins to break and Jessie diverges from Wheezy. |
| 14:46.10 | Terminus | Alexi: ah well. thought i could avoid that nowadays. |
| 14:46.22 | Terminus | zeroxia: whoops... should have mentioned. running vmware workstation here. |
| 14:46.31 | zeroxia | I thinks there is "vmware tools" which is like virtualbox's scenario. |
| 14:46.41 | Alexi | Terminus: Perhaps needed for custom resolutions. |
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| 14:46.46 | Terminus | resolution resizes on full screen but now when in tabs. |
| 14:46.57 | vixxo | ompaul, daemonkeeper I put the thing from a pragmatic point of view: I need to do a fresh install of deb testing on my netbook, should I wait till tomorrow ? :P |
| 14:47.01 | KsM | for some reason I imagined two cruise ships going through something like cell division, representing wheezy and jessie diverging |
| 14:47.05 | val_erie | I run debian wheezy in a quad core intel, everything was fine, however, from time to time, the system logs me off from either KDE or GNOME, sometimes even the computers shuts down, I looked in dmesg and syslog, did not see something suspicious, but if anyone have a hint of what to do I really appreciate |
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| 14:47.45 | val_erie | I run the psensor: the CPU cores do not go more than 52 C |
| 14:47.53 | daemonkeeper | vixxo: You should avoid Testing (as in the new Testing) by all means in the upcoming weeks. Having that said, whether you install Testing as of today, or Stable as of tomorrow makes virtually no difference. |
| 14:48.00 | ompaul | vixxo: if you can deal with the breaking doing it today makes almost zero difference as long as you dist-upgrade all the time |
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| 14:48.25 | ompaul | vixxo: as the changes fall in from SID they will be the making of jessie |
| 14:48.40 | daemonkeeper | vixxo: Past that point, just do apt-get dist-upgrade every once in a while as ompaul says, keeps you on the latest track. |
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| 14:48.43 | Terminus | Alexi, zeroxia: aha. i just found something. vmware defaults to just centering guest but there's an autofit option. that works. |
| 14:48.52 | Alexi | Ok |
| 14:49.08 | zeroxia | Yes. Autofit requires vmware tools. |
| 14:49.09 | Terminus | Alexi, zeroxia: thanks for the suggestions. just didn't think to look in the "view" menu. |
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| 14:50.24 | Terminus | already have vmware tools installed. or rather, open-vm-tools on wheezy coz building modules for vmware tools fails. guess i'll have to wait for an update. |
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| 14:50.44 | vixxo | ompaul, daemonkeeper so the point is install stable or go with testing and exeperience some breaks with continue necessity of dist-upgrade in the first times |
| 14:51.07 | ompaul | vixxo: that is your personal question. |
| 14:51.34 | ompaul | vixxo: if you can't afford it breaking and not getting fixed for days or weeks during a transition then you must use stable |
| 14:51.44 | vixxo | ompaul, just want to check if I understand correctly :) |
| 14:51.52 | daemonkeeper | vixxo: It depends on your sources.list entry actually. If you use the code name it will stick with it (i.e. Wheezy -> Testing, tomorrow -> Stable). |
| 14:52.07 | Terminus | oh cool. didn't realize wheezy release was this weekend. |
| 14:52.16 | daemonkeeper | If your sources.list has aliases such as "testing" or "unstable" it moves as the pointers move. |
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| 14:53.22 | zeroxia | During the transition period, using "tesing" or "unstable" in the sources.list could cause some packages broken? |
| 14:53.51 | ompaul | zeroxia: as much as always they will break over time - everything has a bit of a bad hair day |
| 14:53.57 | daemonkeeper | zeroxia: No, but testing and even more unstable WILL be broken now, as a new development cycle starts. |
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| 14:54.04 | ompaul | both testing and sid and not just now |
| 14:54.11 | ompaul | what he said |
| 14:54.19 | daemonkeeper | Which means people are going to upload stuff which is incomplete, bleeding edge and whatever. |
| 14:54.20 | betterworld | the only reason I am looking forward to the release is that I want to have a testing distribution which is not frozen :) |
| 14:54.31 | zeroxia | So sticking with the codenames is better? |
| 14:54.35 | daemonkeeper | Yes. |
| 14:54.39 | daemonkeeper | Even for stable |
| 14:54.47 | jelly-home | especially for stable |
| 14:56.53 | ompaul | all this depends on your knowledge and if you don't know roughly how much you don't know then you shouldn't even think of using the bleeding edge - you'll only get cut :) |
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| 15:00.35 | zeroxia | It's obvious that "wheezy" is not equivalent with "testing", like what is coming tomorrow. And is there any technical difference between "sid" and "unstable"? Aren't both these two terms always referring to the same thing? |
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| 15:01.49 | somiaj | unstable is a link that points to sid. But it will always point to sid |
| 15:02.01 | somiaj | as opposed to all the other links will point to their new codename with the release |
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| 15:03.33 | Backward | do i need to run git as root ? |
| 15:04.10 | somiaj | Backward: no, but it dose depend on what you want to do |
| 15:04.22 | daemonkeeper | zeroxia: No, sid is always unstable. |
| 15:04.50 | Backward | soiaj: just normal development work. Diff, Commit, Merge etc. in a directory i have full write rights to |
| 15:05.23 | somiaj | Backward: no, you just need the correct persmisions/login for the git server (afaik) |
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| 15:06.07 | Backward | soiaj: ty |
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| 15:09.52 | zeroxia | How to "scroll back" in screen? Like Shift+PgUp in urxvt. |
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| 15:12.13 | moetunes | that'll depend on the app running |
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| 15:13.28 | xand | zeroxia: ctrl-a esc |
| 15:13.53 | xand | it's for screen itself so it doesn't depend on what's running, unless that has its own scroll buffer |
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| 15:14.48 | MrFrood | zeroxia: Scrollback Buffer, C-a [ to enter the buffer C-b and C-f to scroll |
| 15:15.05 | MrFrood | full details on the man page |
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| 15:19.00 | zeroxia | Thank you all. I was trying "^A {" as is shown in "^A ?"... |
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| 15:23.11 | zeroxia | When using "at" to schedule some tasks, it shows a message "warning: commands will be executed using /bin/sh". Can I change this executing shell to "screen", is that okay? If so, how? |
| 15:23.16 | vixxo | thanks daemonkeeper , ompaul |
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| 15:24.38 | zeroxia | If commands were run in screen, I can attach the session and have a look of the output, like for a long-running wget task, that would be great. |
| 15:25.47 | markovh | zeroxia: so prepend screen |
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| 15:26.21 | markovh | like "screen find /" |
| 15:26.41 | zeroxia | Just put the commands in a script, and feed a line like "screen task.sh" to at? |
| 15:26.47 | zeroxia | I will try this. |
| 15:26.57 | daemonkeeper | Doesn't work that way exactly, but yeah. |
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| 15:27.18 | daemonkeeper | You need to start screen in detached mode if you want to start it from a script e.g. by at/cron. |
| 15:27.36 | markovh | daemonkeeper: why? |
| 15:27.58 | daemonkeeper | You don't get a tty when started from a headless script? |
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| 15:28.09 | markovh | oh right yeah good ponit |
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| 15:28.46 | zeroxia | so it should be "screen -d -m task.sh". |
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| 15:29.01 | daemonkeeper | Right. |
| 15:29.12 | zeroxia | Thanks. |
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| 15:41.10 | Quix86 | ok, I need to do a network install of debian |
| 15:41.16 | Quix86 | someone please hold my hand this is confusing |
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| 15:41.28 | ompaul | Quix86: get a wire that goes in a modem and what's confusing? |
| 15:41.37 | sdh | Quix86: ask away |
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| 15:42.02 | Quix86 | Well I've got a laptop hooked up to the router and said laptop has no CD drive and won't boot from USB |
| 15:42.17 | Quix86 | I know how to change the bios settings around so it goes to the network boot bit |
| 15:42.26 | Quix86 | but, I don't know what to do from the 'server' end |
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| 15:43.10 | ompaul | !install |
| 15:43.11 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <various cd1>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 15:43.29 | ompaul | Quix86: network install is slightly different read that install guide to choose what you want to do |
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| 15:44.05 | gnude | hello, when i install a debian with the last weekly build of testing now, what to do if the release is final? changing the sources.list and then apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 15:45.52 | somiaj | gnude: there should be little change |
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| 15:46.02 | somiaj | gnude: just make sure your sources.list says 'wheezy' and not 'testing' |
| 15:46.23 | ompaul | Quix86: this may be what you want http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole |
| 15:46.24 | somiaj | gnude: after that just do regular upgrades for security and you'll get the release and all bug/security fixes that appear after |
| 15:46.33 | gnude | all right |
| 15:46.47 | blackyale | Hi, im triying to install php5 package and I get this message, http://pastebin.com/KfTbaqhq |
| 15:46.52 | blackyale | can someone help me a lil bit? |
| 15:47.27 | jhutchins_wk | Quix86: I don't think there's a simple package-based setup for netboot. You said you had the CD, why not just use that< |
| 15:47.37 | jhutchins_wk | Quix86: netinstal != netboot. |
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| 15:48.39 | gnude | blackyale: i cant see the page |
| 15:48.46 | Quix86 | jhutchins_wk, I said the computer does /not/ have a CD drive |
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| 15:49.08 | blackyale | gnude mmm it's working i think |
| 15:49.11 | Quix86 | and yes I meant network boot not network install, network install "just werks" |
| 15:49.22 | jhutchins_wk | Y'know, we have ltsp for a network boot environment, maybe we could build a similar set of packages that do a netboot installer. You need DCHP and TFTP and the installer tree. |
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| 15:49.54 | blackyale | gnude new one http://pastebin.com/Ai9jafwA |
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| 15:50.15 | gnude | blackyale: ok. i can see. let me read |
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| 15:50.51 | gnude | blackyale: try aptitude. aptitude install php5 |
| 15:51.17 | blackyale | gnude lol, it worked xD |
| 15:51.23 | blackyale | I thought apt and aptitude was the same |
| 15:52.02 | zeroxia | Me too.. why? |
| 15:52.41 | ompaul | Quix86: the link I pointed you at with the word "networkconsole" |
| 15:52.58 | gnude | blackyale: oh. aptitude should be more inteligent, but i see both failing. sometimes apt-get is better, someteimes aptitude. yesterday i try a aptitude dist-upgrade and it fails. on the same machine apt-get dist-upgrade works fine. |
| 15:53.06 | blackyale | :S |
| 15:53.55 | gnude | blackyale: but normally you should use only apt-get or aptitude because they have their own logs which files are installed .... |
| 15:54.10 | blackyale | gnude really thankk u ;) |
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| 15:54.37 | ompaul | gnude: dist-upgrades with apt-get tend to work a bit better, mostly because aptitude will try to solve problems but apt-get is a lot more binary, it works or it complains and you fix things - usually apt-get update ;-) |
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| 15:55.41 | jelly-home | Quix86: is this still the old mediagx machine? Might be easier to take the HDD out, get a converter from 44pin 2.5" IDE to normal IDE and install it in a more decent machine. Well, easier if you have a machine with an IDE controller |
| 15:55.58 | Quix86 | jelly-home, no, this is a different computer |
| 15:56.09 | Quix86 | the mediaGX has CD /and/ floppy! WoW! |
| 15:56.14 | jelly-home | does it have an IDE or a SATA disk? |
| 15:56.35 | Quix86 | the network machine? |
| 15:56.36 | Quix86 | IDE |
| 15:56.44 | jelly-home | the one you're trying to install |
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| 15:56.52 | Quix86 | I'm trying to install on two at the moment |
| 15:56.59 | jelly-home | o.o |
| 15:56.59 | gnude | ompaul: ah i understand. thank you. next time i will use it for upgrade. |
| 15:57.00 | Quix86 | I'm not messing with debian on the mediaGX anymore though |
| 15:57.07 | Quix86 | much too slow |
| 15:57.26 | Quix86 | anyway, it's PATA |
| 15:57.34 | Quix86 | but the only other laptop I have that accepts PATA is |
| 15:57.36 | Quix86 | a powerbook G3 |
| 15:57.55 | Quix86 | well, maybe the mediaGX as well, but I'd have to open the whole thing up |
| 15:58.08 | jelly-home | doesn't have to be a laptop, just find the relevant adapter |
| 15:58.24 | Quix86 | I don't have a PATA adapter |
| 15:58.28 | Quix86 | the install has to be done on the laptop |
| 15:59.08 | jhutchins_wk | Quix86: Is there a working OS on the laptop? |
| 15:59.14 | ompaul | gnude: more so dist-upgrades - upgrades don't bring in all the new stuff |
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| 15:59.37 | Quix86 | jhutchins_wk, the hard drive has XP on it but it came from a different machine and BSODs on boot |
| 16:00.14 | jhutchins_wk | Quix86: I suppose you could look for a BIOS update. |
| 16:00.14 | jelly-home | Quix86: acquire one; install on a different machine, put the disk back |
| 16:00.30 | Quix86 | :| |
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| 16:00.42 | Quix86 | why are we talking about ways to NOT do a netboot? |
| 16:01.02 | jelly-home | because it's simpler |
| 16:01.13 | Quix86 | I have no machines to access this drive with |
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| 16:01.41 | ompaul | Quix86: I have given you the way to do what you want to do but you ignore it |
| 16:01.47 | ompaul | what more can I say |
| 16:01.52 | Quix86 | I might have been busy |
| 16:01.54 | Quix86 | lemme scroll |
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| 16:02.39 | ompaul | I gave you two links the second one is what you want and is not trivial |
| 16:02.39 | somiaj | gnude: if you are already running wheezy/testing you shoudln't need a dist-upgrade with the release. Though I always do upgrade first then dist-upgraded if some new packages are needed to be added/removed |
| 16:02.50 | Quix86 | like I said, I'm juggling two installs right now |
| 16:03.01 | Quix86 | it's hard to keep track of both and a fast moving irc chat |
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| 16:03.14 | ompaul | Quix86: complete one that works |
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| 16:03.36 | Quix86 | I've got a T61 that works and a powerbook G3 that works slowly |
| 16:03.49 | ompaul | T61 ... man that's old |
| 16:03.49 | Quix86 | I'm gonna have to put an older version of X on that in a bit... |
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| 16:04.04 | alexxio_ | sendmail-msp ... this process takes a lot of memory qand i cant stop it...ca anyone help me? |
| 16:04.07 | Quix86 | T61 isn't that old |
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| 16:04.17 | Quix86 | it does everything I throw at it quite wlel |
| 16:04.53 | Quix86 | the computer I'm doing this debian install on is an X20, I'd classify that as "old" |
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| 16:06.22 | zeroxia | I'm from T400, and now is on T430s. I'm considering getting one old thinkpad like x201 as a linux box. T61 is not bad at all. |
| 16:06.37 | Quix86 | T430 has that icky keyboard doesn't it? |
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| 16:06.49 | blackyale | mmmm gnude it still dont install php |
| 16:06.50 | blackyale | :S |
| 16:06.53 | Quix86 | The T400 is just a T61 with slightly upgraded internals IIRC |
| 16:06.54 | zeroxia | Yeah... A big down for this generation. |
| 16:07.24 | Quix86 | Actually this particular T61 has a 45nm chip so it's more or less a T400 with some extra dock features if you use one |
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| 16:07.42 | forbid | anyone know if wheezy is being released today or tomorrow |
| 16:07.44 | zeroxia | Some T61 had 4:3 screen. That is extinct now. |
| 16:07.48 | forbid | or is that even released |
| 16:07.52 | gnude | blackyale: ok. difficult. which system? debian, testing? have you a apache installed? |
| 16:07.57 | Quix86 | Mine is 1680x1050 |
| 16:08.25 | ompaul | 420i |
| 16:08.26 | blackyale | it's squeeze and i've apache installed |
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| 16:08.45 | ompaul | and on my right i5-3330 average boxes |
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| 16:09.07 | blackyale | gnude, http://pastebin.com/TYvPgbVK |
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| 16:09.47 | joj | alexxio_: sudo pkill -SIGKILL sendmail-msp should kill the process. Beware of an unclean exit with corrupted files/config state |
| 16:10.12 | dizzylizzy | The "mv fil{,e}" idiom is fantastic |
| 16:10.50 | gnude | blackyale: at the moment i have no furhter ideas. @all can anybody tell us more to the error-message? |
| 16:11.03 | alexxio_ | joj: the process start again after 20 minutes as written in/etc/init.d/sendmail status |
| 16:11.27 | zeroxia | dizzylizzy: That will not work on "sh". I think. |
| 16:11.40 | dizzylizzy | does it not? |
| 16:11.42 | dizzylizzy | interesting |
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| 16:12.28 | zeroxia | But anyway nowadays people write scripts as #!/bin/bash, not #!/bin/sh |
| 16:13.00 | babilen | has even seen some #!/bin/python ones |
| 16:13.25 | babilen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.37 | zeroxia | lol, could there be a distribution putting a /bin/python... |
| 16:14.04 | babilen | zeroxia: pythobuntu obviously |
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| 16:14.47 | joj | alexxio_: then sudo sysv-rc-conf sendmail off will permanently disable the service for runlevels 2 through 5. I don't know about sendmail specifics, but wouldn't this somehow affect your mail setup (assuming you're using sendmail) |
| 16:14.50 | zeroxia | babilen: Seriously? |
| 16:15.12 | babilen | no |
| 16:15.18 | zeroxia | -,-# |
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| 16:16.04 | ompaul | blackyale: please paste the full contents of /etc/sources.list in http://paste.debian.net |
| 16:16.51 | zeroxia | Wow, debian has a pastebin-like service. |
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| 16:17.40 | tonytraductor | playing with Wheezy in a virtualbox on my Squeeze. |
| 16:17.46 | tonytraductor | screenshot http://www.debianart.org/cchost/?ccm=/files/tonybaldwin/1276 |
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| 16:18.09 | tonytraductor | oh, whoops, that's not a screenshot, that's a link to a wallpaper I made for wheezy, on debianart.org |
| 16:18.14 | blackyale | gnude It' strange but i dont see that file |
| 16:18.24 | tonytraductor | here's the screenshot: http://tonybaldwin.info/images/mywheezyvb20130504-1.jpg |
| 16:18.30 | tonytraductor | LXDE version |
| 16:18.48 | ompaul | blackyale: please paste the full contents of /etc/sources.list in http://paste.debian.net |
| 16:18.57 | blackyale | ompaul, I don't see that file |
| 16:19.02 | babilen | tonytraductor: Might want to discuss it in #debian-offtopic :) |
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| 16:19.20 | babilen | blackyale: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:19.25 | ompaul | blackyale: /etc/apt/sources.list (typo forgetfullness) |
| 16:19.50 | blackyale | ompaul, http://paste.debian.net/2083/ |
| 16:21.06 | rz950 | I compiled ixgbe 3.14 and it compiled fine and created the module but for some reason it doesn't load and instead 3.6.7 is loaded |
| 16:21.07 | ompaul | blackyale: do this before anything else apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 16:23.06 | rz950 | in /lib/modules I only have the folder for my current kernel and the module is in there |
| 16:23.08 | blackyale | ompaul, this is the last lines of cmd result http://paste.debian.net/2085/ |
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| 16:24.34 | blackyale | ompaul, it worked now, thanks;) |
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| 16:24.52 | blackyale | I can isntall php after update and upgrade:) |
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| 16:25.04 | ompaul | blackyale: however those error messages are bad |
| 16:25.11 | ompaul | blackyale: do you want to fix them? |
| 16:25.17 | blackyale | ompaul, yes sure |
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| 16:25.35 | blackyale | (Im stressed but ok:) it would be good to learn) |
| 16:25.53 | ompaul | blackyale: before we do any more try one apt-get update right now and see if it works for you (just in case it was a network blip) |
| 16:25.56 | zeroxia | I've been running sid in VirtualBox, much leaner hoho: http://i41.tinypic.com/11az61h.png |
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| 16:26.43 | blackyale | ompaul, now its working without errors |
| 16:26.50 | ompaul | blackyale: grand so |
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| 16:27.14 | blackyale | ompaul, another question |
| 16:27.42 | blackyale | I intalled debian few minutes ago just for solve a challenge that it's related with /dev/urandom |
| 16:27.54 | blackyale | can I modify the value that urandom it's based?? |
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| 16:28.05 | blackyale | in which* |
| 16:28.27 | ompaul | wouldn't be very random |
| 16:28.45 | ompaul | you can do anything you want, but it might always be the best idea in the world |
| 16:29.13 | gnude | blackyale: i am out. dont know further... :-( |
| 16:29.25 | ompaul | blackyale: it is bad form to ask a person before you ask the channel |
| 16:29.28 | blackyale | gnude it was solved after update and upgrade=) |
| 16:29.34 | babilen | blackyale: You just installed that system? I'd like to not that we will release a new version today or tomorrow and that you really should install that. The version you installed is outdated -- See "/msg dpkg install wheezy" for details about the installation or "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" for some hints regarding the upgrade. |
| 16:29.40 | blackyale | ompaul, ohps, sorry |
| 16:29.50 | blackyale | It was not my "target" |
| 16:29.58 | ompaul | you should ask the channel and allow anyone ask - as you asked me earlier you asked me about php5 and I don't know jack about it, but I know a bit about apt-get and friends |
| 16:29.59 | blackyale | (also im not used to write in english) |
| 16:30.13 | ompaul | woops and allow anyone to answer |
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| 16:30.37 | chengshiding | go to sleep |
| 16:30.38 | babilen | blackyale: note (not "not") :) |
| 16:31.02 | blackyale | what babilen? xd |
| 16:31.10 | blackyale | I don't understand |
| 16:31.12 | blackyale | what u mean |
| 16:31.24 | zeroxia | Me either. I think that "not" wa correct. |
| 16:33.08 | blackyale | Uhmmm, I do not know if it's the right question but, I've this challenge to solve http://alejandromoran.com/challenge8.htm and I think the key for solve it is in the use of /dev/urandom |
| 16:33.34 | blackyale | how can I give a fixed value for urandom? it's that possible? |
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| 16:33.46 | pii3 | Hi |
| 16:33.49 | blackyale | like an hour or date |
| 16:33.54 | blackyale | hi pii3 |
| 16:34.19 | pii3 | i have debian6 with default gnome installed , i just installed fluxbox, Is there anyway to choose between window manger ? |
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| 16:36.32 | gnude | pii3: during the login at gdm you can choose the windowmanager |
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| 16:37.41 | tonytraductor | pii3: if you are using a DM, like kdm, gdm, xdm, you should be able to choose which wm or de when you log in. |
| 16:37.41 | pii3 | gnude: when im booting my computer is come directly to gnome login screen ?! |
| 16:38.12 | tonytraductor | if you aren't...I'm trying to remember,because I've done that...where you have to put the entries, so when you startx it allows you to choose...hold on |
| 16:38.15 | pii3 | i just install debian with default windows manager , all defaults |
| 16:38.56 | zeroxia | Try logout and see if you are in a login screen. |
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| 16:39.23 | pii3 | sure , wait... :) |
| 16:39.44 | joj | blackyale: You can't. Refer to man 4 urandom for an explanation |
| 16:39.48 | tonytraductor | of course, installing gdm/kdm/xdm is simple enough, or others. |
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| 16:39.59 | zeroxia | From that login screen, which should be gdm, you can choose "session". |
| 16:39.59 | Quix86 | ok so, unless I'm mistaken |
| 16:39.59 | tonytraductor | pii3: here are some suggestions: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=81361 |
| 16:40.02 | blackyale | joj thx |
| 16:40.03 | Quix86 | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en is what I need to be doing |
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| 16:40.22 | gnude | pii3: yes. something like this: http://www.sysadminslife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/debian-squeeze-login-screen.jpg |
| 16:40.41 | Quix86 | I think a few things with the dhcpd server are different because I'm in ubuntu |
| 16:41.12 | Quix86 | the dhcpd.conf file was in /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf not /etc/dhcp3 |
| 16:41.51 | pii3 | zeroxia: i restart them machine and im directly to debians default gnome |
| 16:42.14 | Quix86 | I need to figure out where to put the 'tftp' files |
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| 16:43.28 | zeroxia | pii3: So you should try disable such automatic-login. But before that I want you to check there is a "gdm", by logging out current session, but not reboot, you should be taken to a login screen. |
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| 16:44.52 | tonytraductor | I'm getting conflicting messages. Is Wheezy now Stable? or not quite yet? |
| 16:44.52 | pii3 | update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
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| 16:45.33 | tonytraductor | pii3: that will set your default wm, sure, but if you want to choose on login, gdm should allow you to do that (assuming you have gdm installed, but also xdm or kdm should do it, too). |
| 16:46.09 | pii3 | i didnt install gdm? |
| 16:46.19 | tonytraductor | pii3: aptitude install gdm |
| 16:46.23 | pii3 | ok |
| 16:46.31 | tonytraductor | isn't gdm installed by default? |
| 16:46.56 | tonytraductor | I never use the default installs anymore, usually netinst or the lxde isos, but I think the lxde isos include gdm by default. |
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| 16:47.11 | pii3 | i have gdm3 |
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| 16:47.39 | tonytraductor | I've never used gnome for more than 5 minutes without wanting to poke myself in the eye with an ice pick. |
| 16:48.30 | pii3 | thanks |
| 16:48.49 | tonytraductor | well, I think I'm going to dump this virtualbox and just go each with squeeze->wheezy on this box. I'll hold off on my servers until I get confirmation from the MariaDB folks that it's safe (using mariadb in lieu of mysql on my servers). |
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| 16:50.01 | tonytraductor | hasta muy pronto, amigos |
| 16:51.06 | sdh | once wheezy is released, will squeeze continue to be supported/updated? |
| 16:51.12 | sdh | (in terms of security/bugfixes) |
| 16:51.30 | jhutchins_wk | sdh: For one year. |
| 16:51.50 | sdh | jhutchins_wk: cool, thanks. that should be long enough for me to update ;) |
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| 16:52.32 | samuheart | hey where could I get debian 7? |
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| 16:52.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell samuheart -about install wheezy |
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| 16:53.08 | babilen | samuheart: Or wait for the final images (they are not yet done, but will become available later) |
| 16:53.09 | samuheart | babilen: should I use squeeze before? |
| 16:53.29 | babilen | samuheart: No, just install wheezy. |
| 16:53.30 | samuheart | babilen: yes Im waiting for the iso :-) |
| 16:53.41 | forbid | babilen: does it say anywhere if it's today or tomorrow? |
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| 16:54.00 | babilen | samuheart: So are a lot of people. Be patient - they'll be available (very) soon. |
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| 16:54.27 | jhutchins_wk | forbid: Enter /topic in your chat client. |
| 16:54.49 | babilen | forbid: Depends on how many problems are found and how well the builds and tests progress. I'd reckon today, but we will not rush things if there are problems. |
| 16:55.14 | forbid | babilen: thanks. that's what i was wondering about |
| 16:55.18 | jhutchins_wk | I would imagine we start seeing parts of it today, but not everything will be online everywhere until tomorrow. |
| 16:55.37 | nmeum | the debian-cd team is currently building the iso I guess |
| 16:56.10 | forbid | is wheezy actually going to be shipped with gnome3 default desktop? |
| 16:56.25 | nmeum | I think so |
| 16:56.51 | forbid | i don't understand why developers still insist on shoving gnome3 down our throats |
| 16:57.00 | nmeum | but well I never use the 'install-destkop enviorment' option in the debian installer |
| 16:57.09 | babilen | forbid: yes, if you don't select anything *and* choose to install the "Desktop" task you'll get Gnome (and naturally 3 as that is the current version) -- You can easily choose a different DE if you want that. |
| 16:57.16 | nmeum | I always install my favorite wm manually afterwards |
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| 16:57.32 | tensorpudding | debian is going to have a "default desktop"? |
| 16:57.38 | forbid | im just confused why a lot of distros ship with gnome3 default |
| 16:57.40 | tensorpudding | what does that mean |
| 16:57.50 | forbid | especially after much how distaste has been displayed |
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| 16:58.05 | babilen | nmeum: Yeah, that is one option. Configuring which DE should be installed in the installer (boot menu) is another. The latter typically gets you the "fat" DE package though .. |
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| 16:58.47 | babilen | forbid: don't install it if you don't want it. XFCE might become the default for jessie, but that is still far far away. |
| 16:59.09 | tensorpudding | don't they include multiple DEs in the DVD |
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| 17:02.21 | babilen | tensorpudding: Most people have a working internet connection and can use the netinstall, there are various CD1 options for the directly supported DEs and then there is, as you rightly note, also a set of DVDs and BDs - enough choice to make everyone happy. :) |
| 17:02.54 | forbid | im looking forward for the final release |
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| 17:03.38 | tensorpudding | i got the dvd release because my connection is slow and i like having gnome directly, also my machine can't get wireless internet during the install, which kind of ruins things |
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| 17:06.30 | vaillor | news about new release? |
| 17:06.51 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 17:09.32 | gnude | vaillor: the i386 test cd's were created and you can dowlnoad them. see identi.ca/debian |
| 17:09.47 | vaillor | test? |
| 17:10.30 | gnude | vaillor: it is not final, but not testing anymore. hmm how to explain.... the cd/dvd can be downloaded for finind the last bugs. |
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| 17:10.50 | vaillor | i need netinstall |
| 17:10.57 | vaillor | final |
| 17:11.09 | gnude | i want dvd1 final. |
| 17:11.15 | gnude | just wait a few hours |
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| 17:26.28 | nmeum | vaillor: https://identi.ca/tag/releasingwheezy |
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| 17:55.14 | UltraHatomiK | hello |
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| 17:55.56 | UltraHatomiK | search about kernel debian armhf |
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| 18:01.18 | ompaul | UltraHatomiK: what? |
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| 18:03.39 | RubiRian | Can a guest os, installed in VBox, be run in conjunction with Ubuntu from the boot stage? On the other hand, can Ubuntu be accompanied by a geust os during boot process? |
| 18:04.04 | ompaul | RubiRian: why are you asking in #debian and not #ubuntu |
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| 18:05.59 | RubiRian | ompaul: your're more professional! they couldn't answer me! they said just: It is not possible :( |
| 18:06.27 | ompaul | and they are right |
| 18:06.54 | ompaul | you should carry out a thought experiment on how you might achieve that - but do quit before it drives you mad |
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| 18:09.05 | RubiRian | ompaul, I'm calm and I appriciated them :) I was thinking about running VBox in "headless" mode, but however, VBox needs an OS to run on it :( |
| 18:09.09 | mumpitzel | depends what you mean with "boot", generally you can start a guest on bootup |
| 18:09.59 | mumpitzel | RubiRian: are you running debian? |
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| 18:10.54 | RubiRian | mumpitzel: Ubuntu is a fork of dady-Debian |
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| 18:11.51 | ompaul | but |
| 18:11.55 | ompaul | !ubuntu |
| 18:11.55 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 18:11.57 | mumpitzel | still means it's totally unsupported here |
| 18:12.57 | RubiRian | I want to reduse the boot time; running on startup means: "Ubuntu boot time" + "windows boot time"; In which part of boot process vbox can be run? |
| 18:13.15 | ompaul | RubiRian: go away |
| 18:13.16 | mumpitzel | none. cause neither of them is debian. please go back to #ubuntu |
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| 18:14.37 | ksuhku | ...or install debian |
| 18:15.18 | ompaul | we got a new release in the next 24 hours on the servers you will find it |
| 18:15.31 | ompaul | version 7, aka wheezy |
| 18:15.45 | RubiRian | ompaul: You're so Fanatic! In my case, what does it matter that my distribution? However I'm not a troll: GOODBYE |
| 18:15.55 | Feigr | hm, the release critical bug tracker just jumped to 50 bugs, but it says 6 bugs concerning the new release, is this some jiggery pokery because of the 7 release? |
| 18:16.24 | ompaul | Feigr: the mirrors are getting populated atm aiui |
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| 18:16.44 | Feigr | ompaul: I am very sorry but I am not sure what you mean by that |
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| 18:17.32 | ompaul | Feigr: the release 7 is hitting the mirrors so that very soon there will be a switch on the top level of the debian tree and the mirrors will start displaying the new release |
| 18:18.06 | mumpitzel | RubiRian: don't make promises of leaving you don't intend to keep please |
| 18:18.11 | Feigr | ok, I am new to Debian and pretty new to Linux as a whole, Debian 7 will be my first Debian release :) |
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| 18:19.09 | Feigr | I have only used Arch up until now, it was my first distro |
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| 18:19.42 | neoice | debian is pretty superb |
| 18:19.48 | MrFrood | Feigr: you may want to pop back post release to ask your question, the Debian devs who could best answer it are very busy at the moment (and will probably want a well earned rest later) |
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| 18:20.53 | Feigr | MrFrood: yeah I don't wanna stress anyone with my probably silly questions about minor stuff :D |
| 18:20.54 | ompaul | looks at MrFrood and scrolls back to find the question, but isn't seeing it recently |
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| 18:21.29 | MrFrood | ompaul: about bugs |
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| 18:21.54 | Feigr | during the last week I have been putting together a checklist with the stuff I am currently using on Arch so I can remember to install everything again, and puttnig my config files in Dropbox |
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| 18:22.17 | peterrooney | RubiRian: you are calling someone offering correct, helpful, and practical advice a fanatic? Try "/msg dpkg based on debian" for great insight. |
| 18:22.19 | ompaul | ah |
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| 18:25.39 | edman007 | hi, I got a system that doesn't seem to boot, I want to pull the package list off the system before I wipe the drive, where would I find that list (and can I just give that list to apt-get and let it figure out how to restore the system?) |
| 18:26.15 | jhutchins_wk | edman007: Boot to a live/rescue disk and chroot. |
| 18:26.26 | nyuszika7h | then dpkg --get-selections |
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| 18:27.20 | edman007 | hrm... it's a raspberry pi... I got access to the sd card with the system on it, but I can't boot another OS, and my alternate system isn't debian and doesn't have dpkg... |
| 18:27.36 | NineX | wii dpkg |
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| 18:33.19 | BJfreeman | future proofing is to write in C lanquage an be able to use the basic AVR coding |
| 18:33.41 | BJfreeman | the Arduino framwork is for noob |
| 18:33.55 | BJfreeman | oops |
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| 18:35.43 | richardbranson | its true that wheezy becomes stable? |
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| 18:39.26 | rryoumaa | richardbranson: soon, apparently |
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| 18:41.51 | UltraHatomiK | search about kernel debian armhf |
| 18:42.31 | UltraHatomiK | ~5~6~4~3~ |
| 18:43.07 | rotifer | is there a certain tar or mt command i need to use to get an lto-2 drive to read an lto-1 tape? |
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| 18:45.33 | UltraHatomiK | exist debian arm channnnnel |
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| 18:48.07 | Quix86 | ok, still in this netboot mess. I've got a dhcp server running and the client is connecting to it in PXE and waiting for the tftp server |
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| 18:48.44 | Quix86 | the tftp server is listening on port 69 |
| 18:48.58 | Quix86 | but I think I have "TFTP_ADDRESS" incorrect |
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| 18:50.05 | Quix86 | I've tried the server IP (192.168.1.114), the client IP (192.168.1.203), as well as .1.1 and .1.3 |
| 18:51.17 | mumpitzel | UltraHatomiK: your searches and bot command attempt don't work. maybe ask in natural language what you want to the other humans on this channel? |
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| 18:55.47 | rryoumaa | can you just apt-get a zfs package and start using zfs or is using zfs on linux something you should only do if you have a lot of time? |
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| 18:56.48 | UltraHatomiK | mumpitzel: human you are ??? |
| 18:57.06 | UltraHatomiK | lol fu... gay |
| 18:58.07 | mumpitzel | you obviously aren't |
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| 19:00.22 | UltraHatomiK | no time for tnis.... |
| 19:00.34 | Quix86 | lol |
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| 19:04.18 | MrFrood | ubuntufan123: watch the insults, things like that can get you a +b around here |
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| 19:04.47 | RubiRian | tmb: Oh, Great topic, tnx. I'm going to upgrade the VBox to 4.2.0 :) |
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| 19:06.37 | MrFrood | ubuntufan123: appologies that was aimed at UltraHatomiK before he quit (/me gives tab complete a dirty look) |
| 19:06.40 | maxxe | after dist-upgrade, ia32-libs is held back. is this usual? |
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| 19:07.10 | MrFrood | maxxe: upgrade to what from what |
| 19:07.26 | maxxe | MrFrood: squeeze->wheezy |
| 19:07.40 | maxxe | read something about multiarch |
| 19:08.06 | MrFrood | muliarch is new to wheezy |
| 19:08.39 | bitHipy | Alina-malina: there is #android, and even better #tizen |
| 19:09.16 | maxxe | in the release notes it says i should call dpkg --add-architecture i386, then apt-get update... but should i then reinstall those packages? |
| 19:09.29 | MrFrood | maxxe: have you read through https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch ? |
| 19:09.42 | ubuntufan123 | MrFrood, No problem, i's fine :) |
| 19:09.57 | maxxe | MrFrood: gonna read it |
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| 19:12.21 | Mie | #flood |
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| 19:14.30 | ariqs | I thought this place would be more noisy with wheezy being released. |
| 19:14.43 | n-iCe | may 10 right? |
| 19:15.15 | ariqs | oh, it is? I thought it was 4th or 5th |
| 19:15.24 | maxxe | MrFrood: seems like i should just reinstall them after that .. :) |
| 19:15.24 | jeffrin | i thought wheezy will be released on 5th |
| 19:15.39 | n-iCe | I read may 10 |
| 19:16.36 | jeffrin | oh |
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| 19:17.27 | MrFrood | jeffrin: https://identi.ca/tag/releasingwheezy |
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| 19:18.27 | maxxe | its very close to release... its already done |
| 19:19.02 | Vicissitude | if you already have wheezy (testing) what should you be looking for, if anything, once it goes stable/release ? |
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| 19:20.51 | jeffrin | MrFrood : :) |
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| 19:21.58 | Quix86 | Vicissitude, STABILITY |
| 19:22.01 | MrFrood | Vicissitude: just make sure your sourc.list is pointing to wheezy and not tesing and all should be good |
| 19:22.07 | rotifer | im having trouble reading lto-1 tapes in an lto-2 drive is there a certain command im missing? |
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| 19:22.37 | Vicissitude | thank you both |
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| 19:24.15 | maxxe | even if it's tecnically testing now, it's the same as stable, cause it's all done .. |
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| 19:27.23 | akashj87 | i never had download debian. shall i download 6.0.7 or wait for wheezy if coming soon ? |
| 19:27.34 | Arrowmaster | wait |
| 19:27.51 | n-iCe | or just download wheezy rightnow |
| 19:28.00 | n-iCe | you can upgrade just with a update upgrade |
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| 19:29.16 | akashj87 | i see. thank you both. |
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| 19:33.44 | mamltris | gnude? |
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| 19:35.00 | maltris | So is this a english talking chat yes? |
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| 19:35.52 | Wyzard | yes |
| 19:35.52 | ompaul | maltris: for talking about Debian |
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| 19:36.11 | maltris | well then. debian debian debian :3 |
| 19:36.17 | ompaul | specifically technical support |
| 19:36.27 | cbmuser | how is the release team doing, are they still alive? :) |
| 19:36.43 | maltris | oh okay ill shutup. any new bugs found yet? |
| 19:37.08 | ompaul | promise instantly broken, not that I'm making any judgement call. |
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| 19:39.50 | Quix86 | are the debian install mirrors down right now? |
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| 19:41.28 | [sr] | hi |
| 19:41.38 | [sr] | udev doesn't work with kernel 3.9 |
| 19:42.02 | truexfan81 | any update on the wheezy release? |
| 19:42.03 | [sr] | i have a address family not supported, any ideas? |
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| 19:44.09 | n-iCe | truexfan81: may 10 |
| 19:44.41 | truexfan81 | my bday really? nice gift lol |
| 19:44.49 | mumpitzel | [sr]: self compiled or from experimental? |
| 19:44.58 | nmeum | truexfan81: https://identi.ca/tag/releasingwheezy |
| 19:45.44 | [sr] | mumpitzel: self com,piled, from a previous 3.8.11, i guess whatever is needed that is enabled in 3.8 will be in 3.9 no? |
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| 19:48.02 | nullby7e | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/.wheezy_release/amd64/ |
| 19:49.28 | Feigr | are those the actual release ISOs? |
| 19:49.39 | Feigr | and not just a release test? |
| 19:49.47 | [sr] | mumpitzel: what udev needs on kernel? i want to check if its enabled in 3.9, may be that.. |
| 19:49.51 | [sr] | if you know of course |
| 19:49.58 | [sr] | hotplug is enabled |
| 19:50.08 | truexfan81 | just curious, when wheezy is released will it be getting a newer kernel? |
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| 19:50.33 | nullby7e | Feigr: yes final |
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| 19:52.03 | Raiden333 | Anyone knows where i can check what NIC kali linus supports? |
| 19:52.21 | Raiden333 | linux* |
| 19:52.29 | Feigr | nullby7e: cool thanks :) |
| 19:52.51 | mmnicolas | Raiden333: ask kali |
| 19:52.57 | Feigr | gonna install that first thing tomorrow, too drunk to do it now |
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| 19:55.26 | truexfan81 | anyone know how to get putty to leave fullscreen mode? |
| 19:56.04 | truexfan81 | nevermind found it |
| 19:56.26 | Raiden333 | hahah feigr |
| 19:56.45 | Quix86 | Why do I keep getting "bad archive mirror"? I think my network is configured correctly, when it's not I get that error as soon as it tries to download anything, whereas now it's loading the "downloading components" thing and then giving me the error |
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| 19:59.57 | truexfan81 | test |
| 20:00.00 | apm1 | nullby7e, so after they release wheezy on may 10 they won't build an additional set of images ? |
| 20:00.27 | apm1 | sorry but this is my first time witnessing a debian release |
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| 20:00.46 | mmnicolas | where does this 10th of may come from |
| 20:00.50 | apm1 | and all other distros i have seen build their final images the day they release |
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| 20:01.16 | apm1 | nmeum, they still have 5rc bugs |
| 20:01.26 | apm1 | wrong nick |
| 20:01.45 | apm1 | mmnicolas, that was menat for you |
| 20:01.52 | apm1 | *meant |
| 20:02.20 | mmnicolas | it is being released as we speak "over the weekend" |
| 20:02.45 | apm1 | mmnicolas, the bugs that remain |
| 20:02.47 | apm1 | are not easy to squash |
| 20:02.56 | apm1 | atleast 2 aren't |
| 20:03.07 | apm1 | there is something wrong with apt |
| 20:03.11 | truexfan81 | mmnicolas: does that by any chance include a newer kernel? 3.2 is a bit old |
| 20:03.23 | apm1 | truexfan81, nope |
| 20:03.27 | truexfan81 | aww |
| 20:03.28 | apm1 | it'll be 3.2 |
| 20:03.43 | ariqs | apm1: that sounds like a pretty big problem. What is "wrong" with it? Or can that not even be defined? :P |
| 20:03.47 | mmnicolas | truexfan81: no |
| 20:04.01 | apm1 | ariqs, let me link you |
| 20:04.45 | apm1 | ariqs, those apt bugs are open since ~9 months |
| 20:04.55 | apm1 | they have resolved it 85% i think |
| 20:05.09 | apm1 | but i doubt they can resolve the rest in 24 hrs |
| 20:05.17 | apm1 | or even by 10th of may |
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| 20:05.34 | ariqs | didn't we already get linked to the final release images? |
| 20:05.43 | vaillor | news about releasing? |
| 20:05.45 | apm1 | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html |
| 20:05.56 | ariqs | [12:47] <nullby7e> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/.wheezy_release/amd64/ |
| 20:05.57 | truexfan81 | i'm just gonna keep my sources set to testing |
| 20:05.59 | apm1 | ariqs, i doubt they are the final images |
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| 20:06.38 | mmnicolas | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:06.44 | ariqs | [12:50] <nullby7e> Feigr: yes final *shrugs* |
| 20:07.00 | apm1 | ariqs, i won't believe a non op in this channel |
| 20:07.19 | nmeum | ariqs: those are just test images / provisional images |
| 20:07.38 | apm1 | see |
| 20:07.39 | truexfan81 | ok one last question |
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| 20:07.59 | truexfan81 | after wheezy is released, what will the new testing version be called? |
| 20:08.04 | apm1 | jessie |
| 20:08.26 | nmeum | truexfan81: take a look at the topic „jessie will be wheezy+1“ |
| 20:08.28 | apm1 | truexfan81, next time read the topic before you ask a question XD |
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| 20:09.07 | truexfan81 | ok so i'm gonna be running jessie then :P |
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| 20:09.50 | apm1 | i don't believe debian is ever releasing wheezy :( |
| 20:09.58 | apm1 | i love "when its ready" |
| 20:10.10 | apm1 | but dudes this is too much even for me :( |
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| 20:10.53 | apm1 | if they don't release on 5th i'd lose hope in humanity again XD |
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| 20:11.11 | twinkie_addict | hi |
| 20:11.15 | truexfan81 | apm1: you know whats gonna happen next right? once wheezy is released people will be asking when jessie will be released :P |
| 20:11.37 | apm1 | truexfan81, and they'd be told "when its ready" |
| 20:11.46 | truexfan81 | of course |
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| 20:11.55 | ariqs | I won't care. I've held off going debian on a final release because I hate messing around with updating things and all that BS |
| 20:11.56 | truexfan81 | its just an endless cycle |
| 20:12.06 | ariqs | so I've waited on wheezy for a few months |
| 20:12.08 | apm1 | yeah |
| 20:12.16 | apm1 | i've waited for 3 years |
| 20:12.24 | apm1 | and i am like KMN |
| 20:12.30 | ariqs | 3 years ago, debian 6 was fine :p |
| 20:12.47 | apm1 | yeah squeeze was a lesser pain then this |
| 20:12.57 | truexfan81 | i'd like to see jessie have atleaset kernel 3.4 |
| 20:12.58 | apm1 | *than |
| 20:13.06 | truexfan81 | atleast* |
| 20:13.12 | apm1 | truexfan81, it'll ahve 4.0 for sure i think |
| 20:13.19 | truexfan81 | oh nice |
| 20:13.21 | apm1 | its still 2+ years in the future |
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| 20:13.38 | ariqs | debian appeals to me because I don't care about the latest and greatest so much as something that works, and works well I don't have to mess with constantly |
| 20:13.40 | apm1 | truexfan81, when they froze wheezy 3.2 was the latest kernel upstream |
| 20:13.52 | apm1 | ariqs, same here |
| 20:13.53 | twinkie_addict | jessie maynot hit for 2 more years lol debian is like that |
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| 20:14.15 | apm1 | twinkie_addict, i predict 4+ years |
| 20:14.30 | tex___ | look at the numbers from the past |
| 20:14.30 | apm1 | forget 2 with wheezy i no longer believe in 2 years |
| 20:14.31 | twinkie_addict | im on wheezy atm throu rc2 netinstall |
| 20:14.40 | nmeum | however there will probably be a 4.X kernel in the wheezy-backports sometime in the future |
| 20:14.43 | tex___ | 2 years would be a pretty safe guess |
| 20:15.16 | truexfan81 | ariqs: i do tend to like a stable system as well, but there are a few programs i like to keep updated, thats usually when i will compile from source |
| 20:15.24 | twinkie_addict | 4 is possible mabe five how long did lenny take to roll to squeeze |
| 20:15.24 | tex___ | and why would you need any kernel newer then 2.2 anyway? |
| 20:15.42 | apm1 | tex___, cause we got new laptops |
| 20:15.57 | tex___ | uhm, sorry, I meant 2.4 ;) |
| 20:16.18 | apm1 | my hardware refuses to work with anything <3.2 |
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| 20:16.28 | tex___ | apm1: ok, I must admit that I'm using ubuntu on my laptop :( |
| 20:16.37 | apm1 | tex___, gotcha |
| 20:16.37 | twinkie_addict | ack |
| 20:16.47 | truexfan81 | on my pc my sound hw seems to not want to work consistantly |
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| 20:16.55 | truexfan81 | on wheezy* |
| 20:17.18 | twinkie_addict | wheezy is great on my laptop |
| 20:17.22 | tex___ | yeah, but upgrading the kernel is one of the most painless things to do w/ debian |
| 20:17.30 | truexfan81 | i think its having 2 problems |
| 20:17.32 | twinkie_addict | even under gnome 3 |
| 20:17.47 | twinkie_addict | though im running pure cli now |
| 20:17.52 | truexfan81 | 1. its defaulting to the hdmi out on my gpu which is not connected to anything |
| 20:18.04 | truexfan81 | 2. i'm not really sure what the other problem is |
| 20:18.17 | gnude1 | ok. i have another debian on my pc, installed wheezy and it is not found during installation. grub-update after installation dont show the system. what to? how can i aktivate the other os??? |
| 20:18.23 | apm1 | truexfan81, i had a similar problem on my thinkpad x120e |
| 20:18.30 | apm1 | let me link you the solution |
| 20:19.03 | truexfan81 | apm1: i'm trying to use a soundcard that is connected to my stereo via Tosslink |
| 20:19.07 | apm1 | truexfan81, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=64185 |
| 20:19.25 | truexfan81 | seems to work on 1 out of 5 times booting into wheezy |
| 20:19.38 | apm1 | truexfan81, no idea abt that then |
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| 20:21.11 | truexfan81 | looked at link, i already have my alsa config set to card1, so i guess i fixed that part of the problem |
| 20:21.19 | yctn | when i hit exim -bp i get the following error : Exim configuration file /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated has the wrong owner, group, or mode |
| 20:21.23 | yctn | what can i do about this ? |
| 20:21.38 | truexfan81 | bbiab, i'm gonna boot into wheezy so i can share the error its giving me for the other problem |
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| 20:22.32 | LtL | gnude1: it's update-grub not grub-update, and you might try running os-prober |
| 20:23.09 | yctn | what can i do about this ? |
| 20:23.10 | yctn | when i hit exim -bp i get the following error : Exim configuration file /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated has the wrong owner, group, or mode |
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| 20:24.26 | gnude1 | ltl: os-prober shows nothing |
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| 20:26.31 | truexfan81 | ok i'm now on my wheezy usb |
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| 20:27.45 | LtL | gnude1: i've never run two debian versions side by side, so i'll defer that question to the channel. A google search may provide some useful info. |
| 20:27.59 | n-iCe | truexfan81: congrats |
| 20:28.02 | gnude1 | ok |
| 20:28.19 | n-iCe | so you guys use gnome3? |
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| 20:28.49 | tex___ | uhm, of course not |
| 20:29.20 | n-iCe | what do you use? |
| 20:29.36 | tex___ | n-iCe: fluxbox |
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| 20:30.08 | truexfan81 | anyone who thinks they could help me with wheezy/alsa, this is the error mplayer gives me http://paste.debian.net/2133/ |
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| 20:30.52 | n-iCe | truexfan81: install vlc |
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| 20:31.19 | truexfan81 | n-iCe: audio in vlc doesn't work either |
| 20:31.29 | nmeum | truexfan81: does audio work at all? |
| 20:31.30 | truexfan81 | reports a similar error |
| 20:31.52 | aguitel | any news about wheezy ? |
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| 20:31.59 | n-iCe | aguitel: may 10 |
| 20:32.06 | n-iCe | truexfan81: audio works ? |
| 20:32.09 | truexfan81 | nmeum: on 1 out of 5 or so boot ups it works, hw works perfectly every time in win7 |
| 20:32.22 | aguitel | n-iCe, ok |
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| 20:32.34 | truexfan81 | oh snap |
| 20:32.40 | tex___ | aguitel: look in the channel topic ... |
| 20:32.43 | truexfan81 | i just relaunched the vid, its working now lol |
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| 20:33.28 | n-iCe | truexfan81: good |
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| 20:35.26 | twinkie_addict | sound woks here what sound card do you have ? |
| 20:35.56 | twinkie_addict | i have a in tel laptop |
| 20:36.05 | twinkie_addict | intel even |
| 20:36.17 | frikinz | gnude1: what does dpkg-reconfigure-linux-`uname -r` shows? |
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| 20:37.30 | frikinz | dpkg-reconfigure linux.. |
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| 20:40.17 | AlexPortable | When is squeeze EOL? |
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| 20:40.50 | dvs | AlexPortable: About a year from now. |
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| 20:41.03 | AlexPortable | is it recommended to upgrade at release? |
| 20:41.06 | AlexPortable | or after a year? |
| 20:41.17 | AlexPortable | it's for a server |
| 20:41.30 | twinkie_addict | later all |
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| 20:43.18 | ArchRatio | A mail server that can only send mail to the users of a system is called a virtual mail server, right? |
| 20:43.37 | digdilem | local delivery agent? |
| 20:43.55 | ArchRatio | All right, thanks. |
| 20:44.25 | dvs | AlexPortable: I'd say somewhere in the middle |
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| 20:47.31 | furycd001 | HI everyone. I'm looking to do a minimal debian install, but wireless does not work out of the box. Is it possible I can share the wireless from my macbook via ethernet & have the debian machine pick it up :? |
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| 20:48.29 | Kegeruneku | furycd001: Actually this should work yes. |
| 20:48.32 | AlexPortable | ok |
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| 20:49.33 | AlexPortable | how to start something as another user? |
| 20:49.41 | AlexPortable | sudo -u foo ./bar ? |
| 20:50.06 | furycd001 | KEGERUNEKU: So if I connect them both, do I just add the correct settings for ethernet when the time comes, or do the setting get picket up automatically :? |
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| 20:51.23 | MrFrood | AlexPortable: su |
| 20:53.56 | AlexPortable | Í don't know his password |
| 20:53.59 | AlexPortable | MrFrood: |
| 20:54.55 | MrFrood | I don't know any other way |
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| 20:55.12 | nmeum | AlexPortable: you don't know the root password of your own machine? |
| 20:55.32 | MrFrood | nmeum: another user |
| 20:55.32 | AlexPortable | yes |
| 20:55.40 | AlexPortable | found the command |
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| 20:56.21 | furycd001 | ALEXPORTABLE: This link might be of some help to you… |
| 20:56.22 | furycd001 | http://www.debianadmin.com/forgot-root-password-or-reset-root-password-in-debian.html |
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| 20:56.44 | AlexPortable | already found it |
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| 20:57.06 | furycd001 | no worries. |
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| 21:00.43 | Kegeruneku | furycd001: Well the mac should just be offering DHCP service |
| 21:00.51 | Kegeruneku | So it should "just work" |
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| 21:01.53 | furycd001 | Well DHCP is what I plan on selecting before I connect the 2 machines together, but just wanted to check... |
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| 21:09.04 | tex___ | Kegeruneku: Macs always just work ... |
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| 21:10.44 | Kegeruneku | Haha, won't work on me |
| 21:11.25 | Raiden333 | Does anyone have intel Advanced 6235 NIC |
| 21:11.41 | Raiden333 | having trouble installing it |
| 21:12.42 | barjac | Where should I report a bug 'upstream' on os-prober? |
| 21:13.29 | dizzylizzy | woo hoo! |
| 21:13.32 | dizzylizzy | go debian! |
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| 21:18.57 | proxima | hey all for a noob, would you recommend unbuntu or debian ? |
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| 21:20.33 | smw | proxima, anyone here will recommend debian |
| 21:20.42 | proxima | lawlz |
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| 21:20.46 | smw | proxima, go to #ubuntu if you want a different answer |
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| 21:20.52 | proxima | sawry |
| 21:21.06 | smw | proxima, np :-) |
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| 21:21.10 | MrFrood | proxima: what do you want from linux (and remember the name of this channel when parsing the answers you get) |
| 21:21.11 | proxima | :D |
| 21:22.00 | proxima | I am starting school next semester and I want to get a head start in linux, etc wondering where the best place to start is |
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| 21:22.52 | dvs | proxima: If you want to learn, I'd use Debian. |
| 21:23.30 | proxima | dvs: thx |
| 21:23.39 | MrFrood | if you want to learn about linux Debian is probably the better option, ubuntu has it's own unique way of doing quite a few things |
| 21:24.21 | dvs | np |
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| 21:24.27 | proxima | MrFrood: thx |
| 21:24.30 | proxima | :D |
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| 21:26.44 | gnarface | proxima: you may make Ubuntu better, but Debian makes *you* better (or drives you mad) |
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| 21:27.33 | Towzzer | debian killed my father |
| 21:27.36 | Towzzer | ...and raped my mother |
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| 21:37.04 | Quix86 | I can't connect to the archive mirror for installation |
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| 21:37.29 | MrFrood | Quix86: which release? |
| 21:37.35 | Quix86 | 6.0.7 |
| 21:37.54 | MrFrood | which mirror? |
| 21:38.31 | Quix86 | all of them |
| 21:38.41 | MrFrood | Quix86: a releale update is in progress so things might be funky |
| 21:38.49 | dvs | Quix0r: You couldn't have tried all the mirrors |
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| 21:39.13 | MrFrood | Quix86: give us a mirroe you tried |
| 21:39.22 | Quix86 | is there a way I can start a USB install from netboot? |
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| 21:39.30 | Quix86 | also I'm trying the MIT one this time around |
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| 21:39.42 | Quix86 | they all act the same, I think it might be a connection problem on my end |
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| 21:40.06 | Quix0r | ? |
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| 21:40.28 | dvs | !win Quix0r |
| 21:40.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, Quix0r! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 21:40.30 | Quix86 | debian wouldn't detect my intergrated ethernet, I'm using an airo card |
| 21:41.11 | MrFrood | mit is showing ok on http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 21:41.43 | Quix0r | != Quix86 |
| 21:41.55 | Quix86 | highlights Quix0r |
| 21:41.59 | Quix0r | :D |
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| 21:42.20 | grimeton | hi |
| 21:42.25 | Quix0r | highlights Quix86 |
| 21:42.28 | Quix0r | ;) |
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| 21:42.45 | Quix0r | anyway, back to programming :) |
| 21:42.46 | grimeton | is there a way to add a repo from a different arch to apt-get to be able to search (apt-cache) and download apt-get install -d those packages? |
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| 21:43.14 | MrFrood | !tell Quix86 about airo |
| 21:43.42 | Quix86 | I know all of that |
| 21:43.49 | Quix86 | don't make me block another useless channel bot |
| 21:44.26 | Quix86 | the card has drivers in the 2.4+ kernel I believe, it's supported out of the box almost all of the time. The installer detects it and says it's set up a network correctly |
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| 21:44.59 | grimeton | Quix86: what card? |
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| 21:45.06 | Quix86 | aironet 350 |
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| 21:45.38 | grimeton | Quix86: isn't cisco providing drivers for that card? |
| 21:45.39 | MrFrood | Quix86: most of the real egg heads here are quite busy with the release so the bot may be as good as it gets today |
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| 21:48.03 | mumpitzel | Quix86: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/airo |
| 21:48.22 | mumpitzel | note the needed firmware |
| 21:48.23 | Quix86 | I've been over all of the airo drivers, I tried to get it working on a laptop with a disabled |
| 21:48.26 | Quix86 | PCMCIA card |
| 21:48.49 | Quix86 | the packages "airo" and "airo_cs" run the card just fine |
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| 21:49.10 | Quix86 | that aside, I want to try the ethernet in this laptop, but debian doesn't want to use it |
| 21:49.21 | Quix86 | would ACPI be enabled in the netinstaller? |
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| 21:49.55 | grimeton | Quix86: looks like you've got some ancient hardware |
| 21:50.15 | Quix86 | not that ancient |
| 21:50.18 | Quix86 | just a x20 |
| 21:50.48 | Quix86 | I've been working on getting some form of linux running on a laptop with a mediaGX MMX 233 cpu... |
| 21:51.01 | grimeton | a samsung notebook? |
| 21:51.07 | Quix86 | thinkpad |
| 21:51.16 | n-iCe | !gnome3 |
| 21:51.17 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" will release with GNOME 3.4. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.4-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>, <gnome-shell>. |
| 21:51.29 | n-iCe | !install gnome |
| 21:51.30 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 gnome-network-manager' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 21:51.30 | grimeton | Quix86: did you check the thinkwiki? |
| 21:51.45 | Quix86 | says if it's the intel ethernet it should be e100 |
| 21:51.54 | Quix86 | and if it's the 3com it's 3c59x |
| 21:51.56 | Quix86 | neither work |
| 21:52.05 | grimeton | Quix86: can you paste a lspci -v somewhere? |
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| 21:52.22 | Neobenedict | is there a reason why everything i type gets [2]+ Terminated command after a few seconds |
| 21:52.30 | Quix86 | lcpci: not found |
| 21:52.43 | dvs | Quix86: lspci -nn |
| 21:52.55 | Quix86 | lcpci: not found |
| 21:52.58 | Quix86 | I'm in the netinstall right now |
| 21:53.01 | grimeton | l*S*pci |
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| 21:53.51 | Quix86 | intel corporation 82557/8/9/0/1 Ehternet Pro 100 (rev ff) (prog-if ff) |
| 21:54.00 | Quix86 | !!! Unknown header type 7f |
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| 21:54.18 | grimeton | Quix86: i'd like to see the vendor and product ids |
| 21:55.16 | Quix86 | where do I get those then |
| 21:55.21 | grimeton | Quix86: lspci -v |
| 21:55.25 | Quix86 | I just told you |
| 21:55.30 | Quix86 | what the ethernet was |
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| 21:55.50 | grimeton | lspci -vn |
| 21:55.59 | dvs | grimeton: lspci -nn shows the vendor IDs |
| 21:56.10 | Quix86 | [8086:1229] |
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| 21:56.43 | grimeton | it's a 100m |
| 21:56.54 | jelly-home | it's an e100 |
| 21:57.11 | jelly-home | might be missing firmware |
| 21:57.20 | grimeton | and the module to use is e100 |
| 21:57.50 | Quix86 | nvm, I guess the card wasn't getting the right DHCP information |
| 21:57.57 | Quix86 | I set it up manually and it worked |
| 21:57.59 | Quix86 | shrugs |
| 21:58.13 | grimeton | Quix86: then install and after the install check for the wifi card |
| 21:58.30 | Quix86 | grimeton, it's installing from the wiffy right now |
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| 21:59.21 | a7x | where is the party! :D |
| 21:59.48 | grimeton | the armel stuff isn't mirrored to all mirrors, is it? |
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| 22:02.46 | hub2 | Hi, Can I set filesystem quota for all users? |
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| 22:05.39 | grimeton | hub2: that's possible, yes |
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| 22:06.26 | hub2 | grimeton: How can i do that? |
| 22:06.38 | Neobenedict | i'm typing svn checkout http://xmlrpc-c.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/xmlrpc-c/advanced xmlrpc-c |
| 22:06.47 | Neobenedict | and it doesn't do anything at all. just sits there |
| 22:06.50 | grimeton | hub2: google for linux quota |
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| 22:07.01 | grimeton | hub2: i'm really not the rtfm guy, but there are tons of tutorials for that |
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| 22:08.06 | Neobenedict | anyone know why? |
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| 22:08.19 | hub2 | grimeton: I know how to set a quota for one user, but i don't know how to set for all users |
| 22:08.30 | grimeton | hub2: use group quotas |
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| 22:09.36 | hub2 | grimeton: So there is a group with all users, yes? |
| 22:09.38 | jelly-home | hub2: set a template one, then copy it to all the others |
| 22:09.52 | grimeton | hub2: there should be a group "users" |
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| 22:10.01 | grimeton | hub2: that includes all users, except root and the service users |
| 22:10.20 | jelly-home | hub2: see -p in edquota manual |
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| 22:10.30 | John_3 | Hi. I don't want to tell me how to hack. I just want to understand.. it is possible to hack facebook account with debian ? |
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| 22:10.53 | frign | John_3, What kind of stupid question is this? |
| 22:11.08 | grimeton | frign: it's called "trolling" and you're going for it |
| 22:11.20 | frign | grimeton, Seemingly |
| 22:11.31 | mumpitzel | I'm sure facebook can hack your debian like they can hack any other OS |
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| 22:11.36 | smw | John_3, sudo apt-get install facebookhacker |
| 22:11.51 | smw | apologizes for feeding the troll |
| 22:12.09 | John_3 | SM0TVI I don't want to hack. But my girlfriend was hacked. And even we create a new facebook account on another mail address |
| 22:12.10 | frign | smw, It only works with aptitude |
| 22:12.13 | John_3 | result is the same |
| 22:12.14 | ompaul | ah stop feeding it, let it go back under the bridge to feel cold and lonely where it can titter to itself |
| 22:12.26 | John_3 | and some friends tell me that .. facebook can be hacked with OS: debian |
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| 22:12.52 | grimeton | hub2: when you have the prototype user with the quota settings you can do for i in /home/*; do edquota -p $prototype $(basename $i); done |
| 22:13.04 | frign | John_3, I thought I was safe from n00b5 not being on the ubuntu-channel |
| 22:13.12 | shicy | facebook can be hacked with pocket calculator |
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| 22:13.28 | SM0TVI | shicy: Lazy, man. Abacus! :P |
| 22:13.32 | shicy | you just have to know "right" combination :D |
| 22:13.39 | jelly-home | is it sunday already |
| 22:14.09 | shicy | SM0TVI, hahaha :D |
| 22:14.33 | dvs | jelly-home: somewhere in the world |
| 22:14.34 | jelly-home | John_3: debian has no tools made for that specific purpose; you'll have to ask them what they meant |
| 22:15.05 | SM0TVI | John_3: In all seriousness tho, always log in with https, carefully go over your security and privacy options on FB. Keeps the worst at bey. |
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| 22:15.11 | frign | there's a tool: Facebook0dayhaxx |
| 22:15.42 | ompaul | which will take your browser for all it's worth |
| 22:15.57 | smw | frign, that is a dep of the facebookhacker meta-package I mentioned earlier |
| 22:15.57 | SM0TVI | JohnDoh: There is even a group of pages by the FB security staff you can join. |
| 22:15.57 | ompaul | or anything that claims to do that - isn't going to |
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| 22:16.04 | frign | smw, My bad ^^ |
| 22:16.30 | frign | smw, I was wondering, is there a newer version in sid? |
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| 22:17.03 | smw | frign, nah, newest version is in experimental until the unfreeze |
| 22:17.05 | ompaul | frign: /msg judd version foo |
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| 22:17.36 | hub2 | grimeton: I would like to block users from filling up whole disk but if i set to users 70% quota, after update or something i may have above 30% of disk filled by the root files, so it can be filled up again |
| 22:17.54 | frign | nice, thanks ompaul |
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| 22:18.14 | smw | hub2, you normally do this by having a separate /home partition |
| 22:18.15 | grimeton | hub2: then you should do the math and limit the users to something like 10gb per user |
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| 22:19.05 | shicy | can't wait for changes in my Debian unstable :) |
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| 22:19.20 | frign | shicy, when is there going to be a new Kernel-version? |
| 22:19.21 | vacho | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-6-apt-get-install-linux-kernel-3-2/ |
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| 22:19.39 | vacho | im following that guide, but I want 3.4 .... how can I use that guide for change it to 3.4? |
| 22:19.42 | frign | I'm currently on 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 22:20.11 | grimeton | vacho: install the kernel-package package and build your own kernel the debian way |
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| 22:20.24 | vacho | grimeton: do u have a link? |
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| 22:20.41 | grimeton | vacho: what for? apt-get install kernel-package |
| 22:20.42 | vacho | grimeton: I am eally new at this...trying to upgrade my sheevaplug to 3.4 so I can setup ad-hoc |
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| 22:21.00 | smw | frign, 3.8 will be backported evenutally. I am running it now from experimental |
| 22:21.06 | grimeton | vacho: isn't that an arm box or something? |
| 22:21.13 | shicy | frign, i think it's going to be 3.8 |
| 22:21.16 | vacho | grimeton: I beleive it is. |
| 22:21.36 | grimeton | vacho: you know that you can hit the shit with the arm booting stuff? |
| 22:21.44 | grimeton | vacho: i'd only do that if i'd know it will work |
| 22:21.49 | frign | smw, I am on unstable; when should I expect it to arrive? |
| 22:21.53 | smw | frign, is there a reason you want a later kernel? I am using it just because I want the latest btrfs code |
| 22:22.01 | vacho | grimeton: tell me more? |
| 22:22.03 | vacho | hit the shit? |
| 22:22.07 | smw | frign, just grab from experimental |
| 22:22.17 | frign | smw, Yes, there is: There were some patches I set off for the new Mac mini from 2012 |
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| 22:22.30 | frign | Ok, so I just put that into the sources.lst? |
| 22:22.35 | hub2 | smw: Thank you, I was thinking about this and I have no idea why I rejected that |
| 22:22.35 | frign | @smw |
| 22:22.36 | grimeton | vacho: every arm box boots different and if there are some patches in the kernel for booting, or for hardware that is part of the box that are missing in a vanilla kernel then it won't work |
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| 22:22.59 | smw | frign, yeah, just add experimental to your sources.lst |
| 22:23.03 | frign | ok, great |
| 22:23.09 | vacho | grimeton: damn.... so what to do ? |
| 22:23.18 | shicy | it's not recommended to use experimental |
| 22:23.23 | frign | smw, having been a long-time gentoo user, living on the deadly edge is no problem for me ;) |
| 22:23.25 | vacho | it's currently 2.6.. I need 3.4 or greater to support ad-hoc |
| 22:23.26 | grimeton | vacho: go with the actual kernel or look for an update |
| 22:23.29 | smw | frign, then apt-get -t experimental install linux-image-3.8-trunk-amd64 or whatever |
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| 22:23.39 | frign | smw, thanks dude :) |
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| 22:24.09 | grimeton | vacho: if it's still a 2.6 kernel then the likelihood that there are custom patches in it is immense |
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| 22:24.25 | shicy | smw, sorry, i didn't see that you suggested to install only one package ;) |
| 22:24.27 | vacho | grimeton: can i PM you? |
| 22:24.35 | smw | shicy, yeah |
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| 22:24.39 | grimeton | vacho: no |
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| 22:24.45 | vacho | ok |
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| 22:25.29 | smw | shicy, I currently have 4 packages from experimental. I use it with care :-) |
| 22:25.31 | grimeton | vacho: if there is no update for that thing from some site, leave it that way |
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| 22:25.52 | grimeton | vacho: the page that tells you to use 3.4 should offer a solution!? |
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| 22:27.11 | shicy | smw, i'm using unstable and it's perfect for me :) |
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| 22:27.39 | smw | shicy, I am actually new to debian. I just installed wheezy about two weeks ago |
| 22:27.56 | wondiws | I am searchin on the internet on howto's for installing a svn server on debian |
| 22:28.00 | wondiws | but I'm a bit surprised |
| 22:28.01 | smw | shicy, I am happy with it. I don't think I want the bleeding edge |
| 22:28.21 | wondiws | doesn't debian automatically start a daemon for you? |
| 22:28.35 | Kegeruneku | Nope, you have to activate it |
| 22:28.36 | wondiws | I read that you have to manually write an entry in /etc/init.d |
| 22:28.40 | grimeton | wondiws: it does, but only if you tell it todo so |
| 22:28.44 | shicy | everything have its positive sides and negative ones ;) |
| 22:28.47 | Kegeruneku | combo |
| 22:29.03 | wondiws | what is the best practice way then? :) |
| 22:29.10 | Kegeruneku | wondiws: Actually, lots of people install it just for the client, enabling the server would be unneccessary and dangerous |
| 22:29.26 | smw | shicy, I recently found out you can get the best of all worlds with a bit of care in debian. I have a couple packages installed from experimental and the rest is good old stable wheezy |
| 22:29.29 | Kegeruneku | Oops, lots of n |
| 22:29.31 | wondiws | I want to experiment with having a server |
| 22:29.55 | shicy | smw, that sounds good :) |
| 22:30.09 | smw | shicy, (yes, wheezy is not officially stable yet... but 6-8 months of freeze makes it a hell of a lot more stable than anything else I have used) |
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| 22:30.48 | Kegeruneku | And so much more usable than squeeze |
| 22:30.56 | Kegeruneku | you feel the wrinkles in squeeze :p |
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| 22:31.18 | frign | smw, when can I expect 3.8 to be backported to unstable? |
| 22:31.19 | grimeton | wondiws: you should read about configuring the svnserve utility (the config file) and then start it by using an inetd |
| 22:31.34 | smw | frign, no idea :-) |
| 22:31.37 | grimeton | wondiws: that way, you don't need the init.d file and it will work |
| 22:31.50 | wondiws | thanks |
| 22:31.59 | grimeton | wondiws: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.7/svn.serverconfig.svnserve.html |
| 22:32.01 | frign | smw, Ok, I'll wait then. The system works, but the device-probing on init is delayed as hell |
| 22:32.02 | grimeton | something like that |
| 22:32.12 | smw | frign, I see no reason to wait |
| 22:32.14 | frign | But I can live with it |
| 22:32.23 | frign | ;) |
| 22:32.40 | smw | frign, don't forget, if you install the kernel and don't like it, you can always switch back |
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| 22:33.05 | frign | smw, yeah, sure :) I'll try it |
| 22:33.10 | shicy | smw, i've been using Sid (unstable) for 1 year and it never crashed |
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| 22:33.34 | smw | shicy, never crashed means an update never broke something? |
| 22:33.47 | shicy | update never broke smth |
| 22:33.48 | shicy | :) |
| 22:34.02 | smw | shicy, or something got in that caused you problems until a release was issued? :-) |
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| 22:34.19 | frikinz | I've been using 3.8 kernel debian package for more than a month without a problem |
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| 22:34.37 | smw | shicy, I may one day try testing or unstable. I hear that during non-freeze times, unstable and testing are close to each other |
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| 22:35.00 | smw | frikinz, any idea when they will release 3.9? |
| 22:35.10 | smw | frikinz, even ubuntu has 3.9 now :-P |
| 22:35.31 | shicy | smw, they are quite similar during freeze time |
| 22:35.34 | shicy | ;) |
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| 22:36.14 | shicy | i'm expectng issues when packages come to unstable (from experimental) |
| 22:36.18 | smw | shicy, any idea when they will choose the kernel for jessie? |
| 22:36.29 | shicy | don't know... |
| 22:36.50 | triath | I acidentally deleted my "/etc/init.d/rc" how can I configure a new one? |
| 22:37.19 | grimeton | triath: it's part of sysv-rc |
| 22:37.23 | grimeton | triath: reinstall that package |
| 22:37.42 | smw | triath, sudo apt-get --reinstall install sysv-rc |
| 22:37.54 | smw | triath, the package name can be gotten from dpkg -S /etc/init.d/rc |
| 22:38.04 | triath | thanks |
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| 22:42.02 | vacho | grimeton: I am running the kernel from SD card.. if it breaks I can always revert. |
| 22:42.17 | vacho | I just want to know how I can upgrade to 3.4 or above. |
| 22:42.33 | grimeton | vacho: you need to compile a newer kernel to fit the arch of that device |
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| 22:42.42 | grimeton | vacho: so you need a cross compile environment |
| 22:42.53 | grimeton | or you compile it on that device (i don't know the device) |
| 22:42.55 | shicy | smw, which DE/wm do you use? :) |
| 22:43.24 | vacho | ok, where do I start? |
| 22:43.26 | smw | shicy, gnome3 |
| 22:43.46 | grimeton | vacho: something like this: http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/docs/kerncomp.php |
| 22:43.59 | shicy | i can't get used to it... |
| 22:44.30 | smw | shicy, I use a bunch of extensions. It took me a while to get used to it as well |
| 22:44.39 | grimeton | vacho: and here: http://wiki.debian.org/EmdebianQuickStart |
| 22:44.43 | edju | Just installed wheezy amd64, and noticed on an update that pkgs were coming in from sid. I see that adduser, e.g., is from the sid repos. Sure enough, sid is in sources.list.d. Why's that? Any problems on an update if I remove sid? |
| 22:44.48 | grimeton | vacho: they offer the way to install the cross compilers |
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| 22:45.02 | smw | shicy, I spent a week getting used to it. I have a list of recommended extensions though :-) |
| 22:45.09 | shicy | smw, i use awesome wm + some xfce applications :) |
| 22:45.57 | grimeton | vacho: eee wrong url: http://www.emdebian.org/crosstools.html |
| 22:46.03 | smw | shicy, yeah, I think gnome's major change will be the death of it. I no longer recommend gnome to new users |
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| 22:46.16 | frikinz | edju: because someone added it.. No problem removing sid. |
| 22:46.49 | vacho | grimeton: im gonna do straight update |
| 22:46.55 | shicy | smw, it's too simplified |
| 22:46.57 | vacho | those guides are to complicated 4 me |
| 22:47.00 | vacho | if it breaks, it does.. |
| 22:47.11 | shicy | smw, soo it's not simple any more xD |
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| 22:47.33 | jelly-home | edju: hm, how did you install it? there should be no sid repo enabled |
| 22:47.44 | grimeton | vacho: that's what i meant ... |
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| 22:48.07 | vacho | grimeton: what is the command to upgrade to 3.4? |
| 22:48.19 | grimeton | vacho: i don't think that there is such a command |
| 22:48.49 | smw | vacho, what are you trying to do? |
| 22:49.16 | vacho | smw: I have a sheevaplug that currently runs debian 2.6. I want to upgrade it to 3.4 or higher so I can support ad-hoc networking |
| 22:49.40 | smw | vacho, debian2.6 or linux2.6? |
| 22:49.43 | edju | jelly-home, Installed from debian-wheezy-live-b4-amd64-kde-desktop.iso. I was surprised, too. |
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| 22:50.07 | smw | vacho, there is no debian 2.6 so I will assume linux-image-2.6 :-) |
| 22:50.08 | vacho | smw: debian 2.6 |
| 22:50.19 | vacho | kernel 2.6!! :) sorry |
| 22:50.34 | vacho | debian 6.0 squeeze with kernel 2.6 I want to update kernel to 3.4 or higher. |
| 22:51.18 | smw | vacho, don't know about squeeze... is there something in backports? |
| 22:51.26 | mmnicolas | vacho: not happening, 3.2 is in the backports |
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| 22:51.38 | vacho | yes, I am using backports but only gives me 3.2 |
| 22:51.44 | smw | vacho, you could perhaps fetch it from experimental |
| 22:52.00 | vacho | smw: I don't mind the experimental, how do I put 3.4 on it? |
| 22:52.16 | grimeton | vacho: you should get the config of the kernel from /proc/config.gz and then compile your own kernel with kernel-package |
| 22:52.25 | smw | vacho, add the experimental repo and install linux-image-3.8-whatever |
| 22:52.26 | mumpitzel | experimental has 3.8 but needs some additional packages. 3.7 from snapshots.debian.org works without afaik and does APs nicely. |
| 22:52.33 | mmnicolas | or wait a bit, I'll probably show up in wheezy-backports soon enough |
| 22:52.40 | mumpitzel | vacho: why do you want to do adhoc when you can make your debian act as an AP? |
| 22:52.59 | vacho | mumpitzel: requirements of the project |
| 22:52.59 | grimeton | vacho: but again: i'm pretty sure there are patches in the kernel that are not part of the vanilla stuff |
| 22:53.07 | smw | mumpitzel, I don't think I needed anything except an updated initramfs-tools package |
| 22:53.17 | vacho | smw: where do I find the repo for experimental? |
| 22:53.19 | mumpitzel | smw: with squeeze? |
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| 22:53.31 | smw | mumpitzel, nah, did it on wheezy... |
| 22:53.35 | smw | mumpitzel, nm then :-) |
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| 22:53.56 | smw | vacho, maybe you want to upgrade to wheezy? |
| 22:54.22 | vacho | smw: what version is wheezy? btw..thanks a lot for helping out! |
| 22:54.51 | smw | vacho, whatever, this is an sd card and if things don't work out you can just reflash the original, right? |
| 22:55.01 | vacho | smw: indeed! |
| 22:55.06 | smw | vacho, so just install from experimental (damn the consequences) |
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| 22:55.29 | vacho | smw: ok walk me through it please. |
| 22:55.30 | smw | !experimental |
| 22:55.31 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 22:55.53 | smw | that is useless |
| 22:56.10 | vacho | smw: what is? |
| 22:56.26 | smw | vacho, dpkg's message. Just add "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.lst |
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| 22:56.39 | vacho | on it. |
| 22:57.56 | vacho | smw: then what |
| 22:58.05 | smw | vacho, then do an apt update and you will be able to install linux-image-3.8-whatever |
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| 22:58.39 | vacho | updating |
| 22:58.52 | epsilon | vacho: if you need c urrent kernel, compile one from source |
| 22:58.53 | Alina-malina | smw, where does vacho trying to install linux-image-3.8? Is it a webserver? |
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| 22:59.09 | vacho | Alina-malina: sheevaplug |
| 22:59.10 | smw | Alina-malina, a SheevaPlug http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug |
| 22:59.12 | epsilon | using experimental for current kernel is a BAD IDEA |
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| 22:59.23 | zykotick9 | smw: do you happen to know, is there contrib and non-free packages in experimental? just curious. |
| 22:59.34 | smw | zykotick9, there are |
| 22:59.42 | zykotick9 | smw: thanks. |
| 22:59.57 | Alina-malina | vacho, small computer device? |
| 23:00.24 | smw | epsilon, we decided that since he can reflash the sd card, we would do it and damn the consequences |
| 23:00.37 | n8t | happy easter egg day :) |
| 23:00.37 | smw | epsilon, he is fully aware it is a bad idea |
| 23:00.47 | vacho | Alina-malina: yes. |
| 23:00.49 | vacho | Alina-malina: are you armenian? |
| 23:00.53 | Alina-malina | vacho, what are you trying to seting up? |
| 23:01.07 | vacho | ad-hoc |
| 23:01.21 | Alina-malina | yes |
| 23:01.27 | vacho | smw: I need the command to install |
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| 23:01.33 | vacho | apt-get install (what) ? |
| 23:01.38 | smw | vacho, what is the architecture? |
| 23:01.47 | vacho | smw: ARM |
| 23:02.21 | smw | vacho, I have no idea then, I don't know arm |
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| 23:02.39 | smw | some package that begins with linux-image-3.8-trunk |
| 23:03.02 | smw | vacho, type sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.8-trunk[tab] |
| 23:03.10 | smw | see what apt says |
| 23:03.29 | mtn | vacho: packages.debian.org will show things that are available |
| 23:03.41 | vacho | smw: i did a search for it..there are all these ifferent versions |
| 23:03.48 | vacho | marvell orion, versatile, IO32x etc. |
| 23:04.00 | smw | vacho, yeah... I got no clue |
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| 23:04.56 | smw | vacho, http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=experimental&arch=armel&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image-3.8 |
| 23:05.04 | smw | vacho, those are the options it is giving? |
| 23:05.20 | smw | vacho, any idea what is installed now? |
| 23:05.23 | vacho | smw: yes. |
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| 23:05.27 | vacho | let me find out |
| 23:05.47 | smw | vacho, sorry, I just don't know anything about arm. Good luck :-) |
| 23:06.21 | grimeton | there aren't really kernel images for arm as they are all too special to provide a generic one |
| 23:06.21 | smw | vacho, install linux-image-3.8-trunk-kirkwood |
| 23:06.27 | vacho | kirkwood currently |
| 23:06.36 | vacho | 2.5-kirkwood arm5tel |
| 23:06.58 | smw | vacho, cool, so we used two different methods and came to the same conclusion |
| 23:07.05 | smw | use sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.8-trunk-kirkwood |
| 23:07.21 | vacho | thanks mate..one sec |
| 23:08.05 | smw | vacho, could you pastebin what it wants you to install? |
| 23:08.12 | vacho | im getting E: Broken pckages |
| 23:08.23 | smw | vacho, pastebin it? |
| 23:08.27 | vacho | sure one sec. |
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| 23:11.50 | smw | vacho, you may just need to upgrade to wheezy before installing it |
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| 23:12.42 | vacho | smw: http://pastebin.com/dExeDrGY |
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| 23:13.57 | smw | vacho, yep, easiest thing to do would be to just upgrade |
| 23:14.12 | smw | vacho, (upgrade to wheezy and then use experimental) |
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| 23:15.05 | vacho | smw: how do I upgrade to wheezy, again...appreciate the help! |
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| 23:15.52 | smw | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 23:16.05 | Arrowmaster | dpkg, squeeze->wheezy |
| 23:16.05 | dpkg | Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" is almost ready! In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. Also read the almost finished upgrading chapter in the <wheezy release notes>. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>. |
| 23:18.37 | grimeton | vacho: read about apt pinning in the man page of apt_preferences(5) |
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| 23:19.04 | vacho | smw: can I PM you? |
| 23:19.41 | smw | vacho, if you feel it is something private, sure |
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| 23:19.53 | smw | but if it is a question others in the channel can answer, I would rather you ask here |
| 23:19.57 | vacho | smw: just walk me through getting wheezy |
| 23:20.14 | shicy | su |
| 23:20.15 | smw | vacho, I think you should try to do it on your own |
| 23:20.25 | vacho | ok |
| 23:20.26 | smw | vacho, ask in here when you run into problems |
| 23:20.28 | shicy | (root password) |
| 23:20.32 | vacho | smw: fair enough |
| 23:20.40 | shicy | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:20.57 | shicy | change every "squeeze" to "wheezy" |
| 23:21.13 | shicy | apt-get update |
| 23:21.23 | shicy | apt-get upgrade |
| 23:21.31 | shicy | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:21.45 | shicy | vacho, that's it |
| 23:21.53 | shicy | it should be :) |
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| 23:24.57 | vacho | shicy: thanks mate. |
| 23:26.09 | shicy | no problem ;) |
| 23:26.37 | shicy | dpkg, squeeze->weezy |
| 23:26.38 | dpkg | shicy: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 23:26.38 | zykotick9 | shicy: fyi, i'd use "su -" over just su, 9 times out of 10. |
| 23:26.41 | vacho | shicy: no apt-get install? |
| 23:26.42 | shicy | dpkg, squeeze->wheezy |
| 23:26.43 | dpkg | Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" is almost ready! In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. Also read the almost finished upgrading chapter in the <wheezy release notes>. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>. |
| 23:26.56 | shicy | no apt-get install ;) |
| 23:28.05 | vacho | hmm |
| 23:28.09 | vacho | I feel it didn't install |
| 23:28.18 | vacho | says..0 upgrades, 0 newly installed, 0 removed.etc. |
| 23:28.24 | shicy | vacho, the best solution is to read wheezy release notes |
| 23:28.31 | vacho | ok thanks |
| 23:28.38 | shicy | have you changed repositories? |
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| 23:30.08 | vacho | shicy: yes..I changes all to wheezy |
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| 23:34.58 | shicy | then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:35.11 | shicy | or read wheezy release notes ;) |
| 23:35.20 | shicy | it's more precise ;) |
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