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| 00:00.16 | infinityloop | jelly-home: why does it say this : "xscreensaver: 00:57:16: initial effective uid/gid was root/root (0/0)\n", 70) = 70 |
| 00:00.40 | infinityloop | jelly-home: I did run it as root because of strave actually |
| 00:00.59 | infinityloop | jelly-home: otherwise I can't run it with strace (if im not mistakenà) |
| 00:01.04 | jelly-home | sigh |
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| 00:01.40 | jelly-home | infinityloop: no, run it as normal user |
| 00:01.45 | stree | i think hes high as fuck |
| 00:02.05 | intelikey | howto turn ctrl+alt+backspace == kill Xorg on this modern updated newer version ??? |
| 00:02.42 | infinityloop | jelly-home: when I tried running it as a normal user it says : command not found |
| 00:02.44 | jelly-home | intelikey: read "/msg dpkg dontzap" |
| 00:03.29 | jelly-home | infinityloop: ls -ld /usr/bin/strace; echo $PATH |
| 00:04.43 | infinityloop | jelly-home: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 311896 Mar 22 2011 /usr/bin/strace |
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| 00:04.57 | infinityloop | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
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| 00:05.49 | jelly-home | infinityloop: and yet, you say "strace -s81 -f -o/tmp/xscreensaver2.strace xscreensaver" returns with "command not found"? |
| 00:05.54 | stree | with detules kernel |
| 00:06.27 | infinityloop | jelly-home: yes |
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| 00:07.00 | jelly-home | infinityloop: run "hash -r" in that shell, then run "type strace" |
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| 00:07.49 | jelly-home | if you just installed it, bash would need its map of what was in PATH updated; that's what "hash -r" does |
| 00:08.01 | jelly-home | (just installed strace, that is) |
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| 00:08.26 | infinityloop | jelly-home: thats what I was just about to ask you |
| 00:08.44 | infinityloop | jelly-home: don't like typing commands without knowing what they do :) |
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| 00:09.07 | jelly-home | that's what man is for! |
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| 00:09.36 | infinityloop | jelly-home: did a man on hash couldn't see the option -r |
| 00:10.02 | jelly-home | SYNOPSIS |
| 00:10.02 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.02 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.23 | jelly-home | (on i386 wheezy) |
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| 00:10.33 | infinityloop | jelly-home: don't have the same version as you apparently |
| 00:11.14 | infinityloop | jelly-home: so I did what you recommended but still have the same message |
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| 00:11.28 | jelly-home | oh I do have some extra man pages installed. "help hash" should work, since it's a bash builtin command |
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| 00:11.53 | jelly-home | infinityloop: fuckit, just run /usr/bin/strace -s81 -f -o/tmp/xscreensaver2.strace /usr/bin/xscreensaver |
| 00:11.55 | infinityloop | jelly-home: yes that's better |
| 00:13.33 | infinityloop | jelly-home: http://sprunge.us/ZKAN |
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| 00:14.17 | jelly-home | huh |
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| 00:14.34 | intelikey | Enter passphrase for key '/usr/src/kernel/.ssh/id_rsa': |
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| 00:16.21 | jelly-home | infinityloop: pastebin the output of dpkg -l dpkg libc6 strace xscreensaver\* |
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| 00:17.46 | intelikey | jelly-home ty |
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| 00:18.07 | jelly-home | intelikey: sorry? |
| 00:18.25 | intelikey | jelly-home glad to see you still helping out around here jellyman. thanks for the info ^ |
| 00:18.39 | jelly-home | oh, alright, you're welcome |
| 00:18.59 | intelikey | ty peace out. |
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| 00:19.43 | infinityloop | jelly-home: http://sprunge.us/aFAd |
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| 00:22.50 | jelly-home | infinityloop: looks like a genuine bug then, you'll probably want to "ulimit -c unlimited" as someone suggested an hour ago, then try to run xscreensaver once, and when it crashes you'll get a core dump file and be able to attach the backtrace in it to the bug report |
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| 00:26.50 | infinityloop | jelly-home: ok thanks man I appreciate the help |
| 00:26.56 | jelly-home | np |
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| 00:35.54 | stojic | I need Acroread so I manually installed the packages from debian multimedia repository. Am I right in presuming that's a better solution than adding the repo in sources.list? |
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| 00:38.25 | dondelelcaro | stojic: up to you, really. You could easily pin dm, too. |
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| 00:39.40 | stojic | dondelelcaro: Thanks, I was just a bit weary of adding unofficial repos, I'll take a look at pinning. |
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| 00:45.38 | SARC | When I do a "grub-install -v" in Wheezy I get "grub-install (GRUB) 1.99-27+deb7u1" ... I understand that grub 1.99 is actually grub2, but does anyone here know what the -27+deb7u1 actually means? |
| 00:47.05 | jelly-home | SARC: /msg dpkg debian revision |
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| 00:48.42 | SARC | jelly-home: ok, to clarify, its unmodified code (i.e., the same as what i can download from grub's homepage), but the number is just the number of attempts it took the maintainer to create a package for it? |
| 00:49.10 | jelly-home | SARC: there is no promise of code being unmodified |
| 00:49.15 | stojic | SARC: you might want to take a look at /usr/share/doc/grub-pc/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 00:49.16 | stree | to code merge difficulties? |
| 00:49.47 | jelly-home | wonders whose bot stree is |
| 00:49.53 | SARC | ok, then next question, is there any way to get the code that went into the package? I want to modify and recompile it, but i want to keep it as "debian" as possible. |
| 00:50.07 | jelly-home | SARC: /msg dpkg package rebuild |
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| 00:54.48 | jelly-home | !ops stree a likely markov chain bot (also in ##linux) |
| 00:54.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: stree a likely markov chain bot (also in ##linux) |
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| 01:02.32 | i4c | hello, i am having a problem, i was using geany when all of a sudden i get "The file on disk may now be truncated" so i closed the file and when i opened it again it was empty, because my disk was full, now i cleared up the disk. |
| 01:02.45 | i4c | Any idea how would i recover the truncated data ? |
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| 01:03.22 | i4c | and what text editors don't truncate data when my disk is full, so i can prevent this from happening again |
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| 01:17.56 | LtL | i4c: if your disk is that full, a text editor is not your chief concern. |
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| 01:20.00 | i4c | LtL: it was a log file that was increasing without me knowing, now i solved that problem, but sucks that a text editor erases a file important to me |
| 01:20.11 | i4c | without even asking me |
| 01:20.25 | jelly-home | i4c: not easily, recover it from a backup if you have one |
| 01:20.48 | r3m | ,v tt-rss |
| 01:20.50 | judd | Package: tt-rss on i386 -- sid: 1.7.8+dfsg-1 |
| 01:20.56 | jelly-home | and use a saner editor, I guess :-| |
| 01:21.23 | i4c | jelly-home: what would u recommend ? something that doesn't erase my files would be great :D |
| 01:21.50 | rryoumaa | emacs can be set to handle files any way you want, using file-precious-flag, backup-by-copying, etc. |
| 01:22.38 | jelly-home | i4c: vim |
| 01:23.35 | jelly-home | but more importantly, make backups |
| 01:23.41 | KsM | uh |
| 01:24.26 | KsM | so, you knew your disk was full, the editor told you it wouldn't be able to save the file, yet you still closed it and now complain that something is wrong with the editor when the data was lost? |
| 01:24.35 | i4c | jelly-home: what would it do in a situation like that, would it just lock(become read only) if i ask it to change a file ? |
| 01:24.58 | i4c | i mean saving with a edit of some kind |
| 01:25.14 | jelly-home | i4c: I have not tested it, yet I'm confident it wouldn't do the stupid thing without the user explicitely telling it to |
| 01:25.51 | i4c | ok jelly-home if it does, i will knock on ur door ! :P |
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| 01:26.31 | jelly-home | but more importantly, set up regular backups |
| 01:26.49 | jelly-home | (spot the recurring theme) |
| 01:27.55 | i4c | i was always curious about the whole vim vs emacs, i guess u are on the vi camp jelly-home , why so ? oh ye from now on i am going to go crazy, and sync my files to my external hd and flash, every damn day, since that file was valuable to my(sentimental value) |
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| 01:29.17 | jelly-home | to be honest I use neither of the two, just recommend vim to new users as it's good enough and can do reasonably complex stuff with reasonably little handiwork |
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| 01:29.46 | i4c | which do u use jelly-home ? |
| 01:29.47 | jelly-home | will not say what his $EDITOR is |
| 01:29.53 | i4c | :( |
| 01:30.25 | jelly-home | not any one I'd recommend to anyone else |
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| 01:32.01 | LuckySMack | anyone in here have experience with the graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX660M? i cant seem to get it to work. i tried following this but X would always crash. http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries |
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| 01:34.45 | LtL | i4c: had you used vim/vi a backup is automatically made. I think that's a default iirc |
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| 01:35.19 | i4c | LtL: i am falling in love with vim already |
| 01:35.22 | LtL | i4c: emacs probably does also. both are worth learning. |
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| 01:36.28 | LtL | i4c: you may find vimtutor worth a look. |
| 01:36.45 | rryoumaa | try both; they are totally different |
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| 01:38.24 | i4c | how would u describe the most important differences from your perspective between them, rryoumaa |
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| 01:41.20 | rryoumaa | i4c: emacs is like nano: you just type; iirc vi has insert and movement modes. emacs is completely written in a general-purpose language that is accessible in real time, dunno about vim. vim users likely enjoy its default settings. |
| 01:42.58 | rryoumaa | but there are people who use both frequently who can answer better |
| 01:43.20 | i4c | rryoumaa: which one would u say is easier for basic texting ? before i read about them both in the summer and get more aquainted |
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| 01:46.10 | rryoumaa | dunno, personal preference, most likely |
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| 02:10.38 | wilfredor | debian or macos |
| 02:10.42 | wilfredor | ? |
| 02:11.26 | themill | Pretty easy choice, when you're in #debian. |
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| 02:14.06 | ectospasm | is macos like tacos? |
| 02:14.49 | innmalint | i'm having a sound issue where my audio pops/fizzes for a second or two with any type of sound. |
| 02:14.52 | wilfredor | some objetive opinion? |
| 02:15.16 | ectospasm | "objective" "opinion". |
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| 02:17.18 | wilfredor | debian is a generic and universal os, but macos is especified for a hardware, it could run better |
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| 02:25.06 | rryoumaa | wilfredor: if you like commercial apps, macosx is better |
| 02:25.12 | rryoumaa | probably |
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| 02:25.29 | dvs | !lart rryoumaa |
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| 02:38.05 | ectospasm | I'm trying to get the Translation-en files using reprepro. Apache2 is complaining of 404s when my apt clients connect, because e.g. the dists/sid/main/i18n directory does not exist |
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| 02:46.50 | wilfredor | rryoumaa: do you know some ultrabook for linux? |
| 02:48.42 | themill | ectospasm: reprepo doesn't use Translation files at all, does it? The long descriptions are already in Packages. |
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| 02:49.28 | ectospasm | themill: yeah, it looks like it doesn't. But my clients still try to access them. I've already added APT::Acquire::Translation "none"; |
| 02:49.35 | ectospasm | ...but that doesn't seem to work |
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| 02:49.49 | ectospasm | (the clients still try to access Translation-en, for instance) |
| 02:51.39 | themill | should be «Acquire::Languages{none;};» I think |
| 02:52.14 | ectospasm | themill: OK, I'll try that. |
| 02:52.15 | themill | (check apt-config dump) |
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| 03:01.24 | ectospasm | themill: that did it! thanks! |
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| 03:02.21 | themill | :) |
| 03:02.44 | themill | ectospasm: you realise that means "no long descriptions" on that machine, don't you? |
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| 03:02.58 | herbivore | preseed related: can I netboot using the wheezy installer (for h/w detection purposes), but actually install squeeze? |
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| 03:03.30 | hanasaki | what controls the cpu frequency auto scaling? its an AMD |
| 03:03.48 | ectospasm | themill: I didn't. So how do I avoid 404s in my local webserver when a client tries to get Translation-en? |
| 03:04.03 | ectospasm | ...if reprepro won't get them |
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| 03:05.40 | themill | ectospasm: what's feeding this reprepro, what releases of debian is it serving and what release of debian is trying to fetch from it? |
| 03:06.13 | ectospasm | just sid |
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| 03:06.30 | themill | ectospasm: and you're using this for your own packages or as a partial debian mirror? |
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| 03:06.47 | ectospasm | partial debian mirror |
| 03:07.14 | ectospasm | I'm getting it from the closest mirror which seems to be reliable (gatech.edu) |
| 03:07.14 | themill | ectospasm: hmm... so you're using the Release file and Packages from Debian or is reprepro generating it for you? |
| 03:07.44 | ectospasm | I don't think reprepro is generating those files, but I'm not entirely sure. |
| 03:08.04 | ftoledo | i'm search for the best way to override a package file from my custom package... alternatives or diverts? |
| 03:08.26 | themill | ectospasm: Sounds like you need to also include i18n/Translation-en* in the mirroring process |
| 03:08.43 | ftoledo | example: package A have file "/usr/share/applicactions/my_file.desktop" i want to my package B can override the "my_file.desktop" |
| 03:08.49 | ectospasm | themill: and I don't see a way of doing that. |
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| 03:09.33 | themill | ectospasm: I've never looked at reprepro for mirroring, only for my personal package repositories. (debmirror or ftpsync if you want mirroring or a cacher if it's just to speed up local usage) |
| 03:10.00 | ectospasm | debmirror broke for me, and I made it worse trying to fix it. |
| 03:10.13 | ectospasm | I don't remember the problems I had with it |
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| 03:12.25 | herbivore | installing squeeze with wheezy installer - doable? |
| 03:12.41 | themill | not really worth it though |
| 03:12.53 | herbivore | need for h/w detection |
| 03:13.05 | themill | why not just install wheezy then? |
| 03:13.56 | herbivore | org. software not wheezy ready just yet |
| 03:15.08 | herbivore | 'suite=squeeze' as boot arg? |
| 03:15.31 | herbivore | (netboot) |
| 03:15.36 | somiaj | herbivore: If you are familar with debian, use debootstrap, and then install a 3.2 backported kernel and make the machien bootable. |
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| 03:16.56 | herbivore | netbooting with Dell PE R820, which uses Broadcom 5720. Wheezy picks this up fine, squeeze not so much |
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| 04:16.11 | JasonWoof | is there a wifi adapter that works reliable in AP mode? (ie so I can make my debian (unstable) box show up as a wireless router) |
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| 04:31.09 | ectospasm | JasonWoof: https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-half-height-mini-pcie-card << I use this with pfSense in AP mode |
| 04:31.21 | ectospasm | works quite well |
| 04:31.29 | JasonWoof | ectospasm: thanks! |
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| 04:33.05 | JasonWoof | hmm... think my current pci card is just an adapter to minipci |
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| 04:33.15 | JasonWoof | that should work, but I'd have to look into it |
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| 04:33.58 | JasonWoof | I'd love to get something usb, then I can plug it into just about anything. This one looks cool: https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-usb-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usb |
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| 04:35.40 | cryosphere | install wheezy on new win 8 ultrabook - looks like there are some new partioning in win 8 that I haven't see before, 1st -can I assume that the fat32 formatted partition is the recovery partition? |
| 04:35.43 | cryosphere | *installing |
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| 04:45.14 | kopilo | not entirely shure to be honest, I think win 8 uses the recovery partition as the boot loader |
| 04:45.24 | kopilo | sure* |
| 04:46.48 | kopilo | I know at home that I need to load the recovery partition through grub to actually boot into win 8 |
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| 04:49.24 | cryosphere | kopilo- ok, im tryin to figure out which win partitions I can delete |
| 04:49.40 | cryosphere | and still be able to restore to factory state if I want to sell in year or tow |
| 04:50.28 | kopilo | yeah |
| 04:50.30 | themill | ##windows would be a better place to ask |
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| 04:50.59 | kopilo | actually with windows 8 you can download the iso |
| 04:51.29 | kopilo | I would be tempted to try that route first |
| 04:51.47 | cryosphere | themill - good point . . . |
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| 04:53.58 | kopilo | currently I'm running a debian file server (samba) and I'm wanting to create/use some sort of user domain, the clients consist of windows8 and osx (lion) and suggestions? |
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| 04:59.05 | cryosphere | kopilo - ints the win8 license somehow tied to the physical machine? |
| 04:59.12 | cryosphere | *isn't |
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| 05:03.49 | kopilo | sorry just had our main server go offline |
| 05:07.05 | kopilo | cyrosphere I would ask ##windows that question. |
| 05:07.14 | kopilo | or consult terms and conditions |
| 05:07.49 | kopilo | just to clarify, I meant aquiring the ISO through microsoft/legal means. |
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| 05:08.26 | cryosphere | kopilo -yes |
| 05:08.45 | cryosphere | but when I bought the laptop I'm already paying for a win8 installation |
| 05:08.54 | kopilo | yeah |
| 05:08.56 | cryosphere | so I don't want to buy another win8 downt the road |
| 05:09.14 | kopilo | afk staff meeting |
| 05:09.18 | kopilo | good luck |
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| 05:09.22 | cryosphere | but I'm trying to get someone in ##windows to tell em |
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| 05:22.39 | JasonWoof | cryosphere: doesn't the machine have a sticker on it with the windows registration seal number or something? |
| 05:23.09 | JasonWoof | I remember scraping those off my last two laptops |
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| 05:32.47 | Zeranoe | I'm trying to install Debian on my machine and am resizing a partition. It has been at 0% for a while now, how long does it normally take? |
| 05:35.29 | alonzoh | not eternity, usually |
| 05:35.32 | rVn | depend of many factor, partition size, hd speed etc.. generally it's not take too long |
| 05:35.49 | Zeranoe | Still at 0 |
| 05:36.00 | alonzoh | what's on the partitioN? |
| 05:36.12 | Zeranoe | Windows, ntfs |
| 05:38.57 | cryosphere | JasonWoof: nope, I was suprised too |
| 05:39.05 | alonzoh | Zeranoe: I hope you defragged it first |
| 05:39.42 | Zeranoe | alonzoh: I did, but you can never get it perfect |
| 05:40.11 | ectospasm | I thought the conventional wisdom is to let Windows Disk Manager resize NTFS partitions, to be sure Windows will continue reading said partition... |
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| 05:40.41 | alonzoh | conventional wisdom is to not waste your time with Windows |
| 05:40.49 | alonzoh | other than that, backups and defragging should suffice |
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| 06:11.15 | twinkie_addict | hi |
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| 06:24.11 | dizzylizzy | does apt-get changelog not work in sid |
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| 06:25.14 | themill | dizzylizzy: the changelogs are temporarily in a different home and hopefully redirects will be in place soon |
| 06:25.25 | ectospasm | aptitude changelog works for me |
| 06:25.39 | themill | it probably depends on the package |
| 06:25.52 | dizzylizzy | ectospasm, what version of debian are you running |
| 06:26.03 | themill | (as in, whether the package was uploaded before or after the PTS broke a couple of weeks ago) |
| 06:26.03 | ectospasm | sid |
| 06:26.16 | jaalto | "kernel:[23019682.851937] journal commit I/O error" -- ext4. I've umounted all with "umount -fl /dev/sdd4 (=> /dev/sdd4: not mounted)", but why doesn't this work "fsck /dev/sdd4 (=> /dev/sdd4 is in use, Cannot continue, aborting." |
| 06:27.27 | ompaul | jaalto: paste the output of mount |
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| 06:28.05 | jaalto | ompaul: a sec... |
| 06:29.42 | Mr_Clean | hey all - sure want to try debian out, but for some reason when I try it out in a virtualbox, there is no network, it says my network is unmanaged in the networkmanager - I would hate to install it and have no connection |
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| 06:31.00 | twinkie_addict | connection works fine on my laptop |
| 06:31.16 | ompaul | Mr_Clean: as long as you have a wire attached to the ethernet and you don't have a very non standard machine then debian should work, and in virtual box you get to set networking maybe you didn't |
| 06:31.17 | twinkie_addict | i installed over the network |
| 06:31.43 | ompaul | Mr_Clean: get the live cd and test that |
| 06:31.54 | jaalto | ompaul: Here. I don't understand how fsck claims that: http://pastebin.com/1bRVRYRg |
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| 06:32.06 | twinkie_addict | yeh or usb stick |
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| 06:32.21 | ompaul | jaalto: mount is not mount | grep anything |
| 06:32.29 | ompaul | so lets have mount please on it's own |
| 06:32.32 | Mr_Clean | ompaul: yea, that sounds like the way to go - I will give that a shot. |
| 06:33.21 | jaalto | ompaul: It with the -l option which add labels. The "media" is nowhere mounted any more. "mount -l | grep media" |
| 06:33.24 | Mr_Clean | ompaul: do you know if there is a live image that will boot off of a usb? |
| 06:34.00 | ompaul | Mr_Clean: it should as long as your hardware supports it NOTE - do not use unetbootin it breaks debian :-) |
| 06:34.05 | jaalto | ompaul: the rest of the mounts take 45 lines.... if your really want all that |
| 06:34.07 | ectospasm | Mr_Clean: the Live images should boot off USB, if you copy them from Debian (do NOT use unetbootin on any distro) |
| 06:34.42 | Mr_Clean | should i use dd then? |
| 06:34.54 | ompaul | jaalto: well I can see what I want to then I guess |
| 06:35.04 | ectospasm | apparently you can use cp, Mr_Clean |
| 06:35.16 | ectospasm | although I'm used to using dd |
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| 06:35.26 | ompaul | Mr_Clean: if you have another os do this cat debian-foo-whatever.iso > /dev/sdZ |
| 06:35.33 | ompaul | where Z is your usb |
| 06:35.40 | ompaul | you can do that with cp also |
| 06:35.43 | ompaul | and no > |
| 06:35.49 | ompaul | likes cat ;-) |
| 06:36.13 | ompaul | themill: yes I like useless uses of pipe :) |
| 06:36.19 | jaalto | ompaul: a sec... |
| 06:36.20 | Mr_Clean | cool - will do |
| 06:36.23 | ectospasm | I prefer dd, because I can get progress information more easily |
| 06:36.34 | ectospasm | (at least, I know how to do that) |
| 06:36.44 | AAA | pv |
| 06:37.07 | ompaul | jaalto: you should use paste.debian.net (no {insert abusive term here} adverts) |
| 06:37.18 | ompaul | AAA: you got a debian question? |
| 06:37.57 | AAA | no,pv is just a better choice |
| 06:38.10 | ectospasm | AAA: but then you have to use a cat pipeline |
| 06:38.20 | twinkie_addict | AAA, look in /etc for debian version |
| 06:38.27 | AAA | it's all about I/O |
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| 06:38.57 | jaalto | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/1436/ |
| 06:40.40 | ompaul | jaalto: eh, is it mounted somewhere else? |
| 06:42.21 | jaalto | ompaul: No. It's local disk. |
| 06:43.29 | jaalto | ompaul: Does that meant that whole ext4 just went bezerk and the whole partition vanished as fsck cannot use it? |
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| 06:44.20 | jaalto | ompaul: Syslog messages included: http://paste.debian.net/1437/ |
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| 06:49.00 | petn-randall | jaalto: What does 'smartctl -a /dev/sdd' say? |
| 06:49.15 | petn-randall | jaalto: Could be a HDD error the fs can't handle. |
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| 06:49.48 | ompaul | jaalto: if it was me I'd init 0 the box after that I'd bring it back up |
| 06:50.01 | ompaul | mostly for that last line by petn-randall |
| 06:50.18 | jaalto | petn-randall: a sec.... |
| 06:50.19 | ompaul | it should fail to mount and then maybe you can get some clue |
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| 06:51.04 | petn-randall | I imagine the kernel wants to write a few blocks to umount the fs, but fails doing that, thus the fs hangs in limbo. |
| 06:51.22 | jaalto | petn-randall: smartctl http://paste.debian.net/1438/ |
| 06:52.07 | petn-randall | 6000 Petabyte ?!? |
| 06:52.13 | petn-randall | 600, sorry |
| 06:52.29 | jaalto | ompaul: It's a separate disk only (of many disks), so I shouldn't need to do init 0. Id possible I'd like to try all that is possible first |
| 06:53.06 | ectospasm | petn-randall: really, does it matter /that/ much? (-; |
| 06:53.10 | jaalto | petn-randall: That's incorrect. It's standard 2 TB disk. |
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| 06:53.55 | petn-randall | jaalto: If the kernel thinks it's 600 Petabyte, it'll surely choke trying to mount/umount it. |
| 06:54.04 | ectospasm | disk is fubarred if it's reporting ~600PB when it should report <2TB |
| 06:54.30 | kopilo | 600 PB, where can I get one of these HDs? |
| 06:54.36 | ectospasm | is the disk mounted by a line in fstab? |
| 06:54.39 | jaalto | petn-randall: Ok, so reboot at this point is best? |
| 06:54.51 | ectospasm | jaalto: remove it from fstab first |
| 06:54.59 | ectospasm | (just comment out the line) |
| 06:55.13 | jaalto | ectospasm: Not mounted. See http://paste.debian.net/1438/ |
| 06:55.25 | jaalto | ectospasm: And not in mtab either any more |
| 06:55.25 | pythoncoder | jaalto: Or boot a live CD |
| 06:55.25 | ectospasm | jaalto: that doesn't answer the question |
| 06:55.31 | ectospasm | jaalto: is it listed in fstab? |
| 06:55.41 | petn-randall | jaalto: I'd cold boot, if that doesn't help take the disk out and check it from a different machine. |
| 06:55.45 | jaalto | ectospasm: Not is fstab. See http://paste.debian.net/1438/ |
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| 06:56.16 | jaalto | petn-randall: Unfortunately I don't have any other server. |
| 06:56.35 | jaalto | petn-randall: Ok. I'll try cold boot |
| 06:56.44 | nickzxcv_ | if i run apt-get purge apackage, and there is another package that depends on it, and a newer version of the dependent package depends on a package similar to the one being purged that is already installed, is it normal that apt-get will upgrade the dependent package instead of just quitting or removing it? |
| 06:56.52 | petn-randall | jaalto: If you got physical access, you've already got good cards :) |
| 06:57.06 | petn-randall | jaalto: If it was a remote machine, I'd be worried that it won't come up on reboot. |
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| 06:57.21 | jaalto | petn-randall: I'll uncomment out all fstab entries for this disk and try to fsck after cold boot. |
| 06:57.33 | ectospasm | um |
| 06:57.40 | ectospasm | don't uncomment all fstab entries for that disk |
| 06:57.44 | ectospasm | leave them commented |
| 06:58.00 | ectospasm | do a cold boot, then run your fsck on the disk |
| 06:58.01 | jaalto | petn-randall: Yeah. I'd be worried too. Luckily it's on the next room. |
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| 06:58.34 | jaalto | ectospasm: Ehm? you mena I leave fstab as it it and let boot handle it? |
| 06:59.19 | ectospasm | jaalto: boot will handle if it it's listed in fstab and not uncommented. |
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| 06:59.36 | ectospasm | Commenting it out will not have the system mount that partition automatically |
| 06:59.39 | jaalto | ectospasm: ok. I was planing to to fsck manually for more control. |
| 06:59.47 | ectospasm | jaalto: right, do that |
| 07:00.05 | ectospasm | I think I got confused with your "uncomment" phrase above |
| 07:00.49 | jaalto | ectospasm: Yeah. I meant "put # in front of fstab mounts for that disk, before I cold boot" |
| 07:01.15 | ectospasm | that's "comment", not "uncomment" (-; |
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| 07:04.03 | jaalto | ectospasm: cold-booting.... takes some time.. I'll check back after that |
| 07:04.25 | petn-randall | crosses his fingers for jaalto |
| 07:04.28 | jaalto | ectospasm: Have to shutdown editors etc. first ... |
| 07:04.40 | ectospasm | heh, yeah |
| 07:05.08 | ectospasm | cycle through all the workspaces, make sure every editor is properly closed... |
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| 07:08.32 | petn-randall | check that all instances of 'screen' are closed ... |
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| 07:09.45 | ectospasm | or tmux, as it were |
| 07:10.36 | ectospasm | tmux is superior to screen, because it gives you a visual indication that you're in tmux, at least comparing mostly default screen vs. tmux |
| 07:11.25 | ectospasm | screen is superior to tmux, because it's slightly easier to control the session from the CLI invocation. |
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| 07:12.28 | ectospasm | ...and screen allows the other party to resize based on their window size (Ctrl-a shift-f), whereas tmux does it automatically (and doesn't always get it right) |
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| 07:14.21 | petn-randall | I haven't compared them, only used screen. Biggest downside I see is it's name, it often confuses people in conversation. :) |
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| 07:14.55 | Myrtti | tmux does utf8 better. |
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| 07:16.42 | ectospasm | I mostly use screen for interacting with customers via SSH |
| 07:17.35 | petn-randall | is tempted to try tmux. |
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| 07:19.33 | twinkie_addict | wow 3:18 i should hit the hay |
| 07:19.37 | ectospasm | I do think tmux is prettier than screen |
| 07:19.46 | ectospasm | at least, by default |
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| 07:20.12 | ectospasm | and I've configured tmux to behave mostly the same way as screen, so... |
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| 07:42.08 | bazhang | stree, hi |
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| 07:51.02 | ledestin | I've got a vm with default route going to venet0 interface, but that interface has ip 127.0.0.1. It has got venet0:0, etc with public IPs, but I don't understand which one of those will be used. |
| 07:51.12 | ledestin | what should I read about it maybe? |
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| 07:51.48 | ledestin | the thing is, I can ping google, so it works |
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| 07:53.12 | jelly-home | ledestin: I _think_ the vm implementation you use is supposed to look like that |
| 07:53.47 | jelly-home | (vaguely remember seeing something similar with venet* devices) |
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| 07:55.04 | ledestin | jelly-home: but routing via 127.0.0.1 interface? |
| 07:55.24 | ledestin | jelly-home: surely it's got to do with Linux |
| 07:55.53 | jelly-home | ledestin: no, normal machines don't look like that |
| 07:57.00 | jelly-home | ledestin: btw foo0 and foo0:0 are the same interface, it's just an old way of adding multiple addresses |
| 07:57.04 | jelly-home | to the same iface |
| 07:57.26 | ledestin | jelly-home: cool, and which one of them will be used for routing? |
| 07:57.49 | jelly-home | ledestin: there's just one |
| 07:58.11 | ledestin | jelly-home: it's got several public IPs |
| 07:58.41 | jelly-home | oh, are you asking which IP gets used as source for the outbound traffic? |
| 07:58.59 | ledestin | jelly-home: yes |
| 07:59.15 | jelly-home | ledestin: I have no idea -- what does whatismyip.com say? :-) |
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| 08:01.16 | ledestin | jelly-home: venet0:0 |
| 08:01.34 | ledestin | jelly-home: now, can I route via venet0:1? |
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| 08:02.21 | jelly-home | sigh |
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| 08:04.08 | jelly-home | ledestin: this isn't about routing, it's about choosing a source IP address for outbound connections. Many apps allow you to pick a specific address for the local end. |
| 08:04.29 | jelly-home | ledestin: can you pastebin the output of "ip a" and "ip r"? |
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| 08:05.40 | ak5 | hi, I get an error when doing `sudo apt-get update` it stalls at "Reading package lists... 99%" then prints out "Reading package lists... Error!" |
| 08:05.47 | ak5 | I searched the 'net and only found this ubuntu user having the same error as me: http://askubuntu.com/questions/259114/reading-package-lists-in-update-apt-get-ubuntu-12-04-vps |
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| 08:06.09 | ak5 | It doesn't print out any other warnings :/ |
| 08:06.37 | invariant | Did Google change their certificates for imap? |
| 08:07.06 | ledestin | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/WKkatB5m |
| 08:07.06 | invariant | It seems rather unprofessional to change it without announcing it :/ |
| 08:08.21 | ectospasm | ak5: is this Debian, or Ubuntu you're asking about? |
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| 08:08.59 | ak5 | ectospasm: Ubuntu. I was told to check with the experts here though, if that helps? |
| 08:09.39 | ak5 | ectospasm: is there anything I can check? there are no logs, etc of this event and I really don't know where to start debugging |
| 08:09.42 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell ak5 -about based on debian |
| 08:09.59 | ak5 | ectospasm: I am aware |
| 08:10.18 | ectospasm | ak5: that's a polite way of saying,"Ask in #ubuntu" |
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| 08:10.55 | ak5 | ectospasm: I did, and no one there can help. I talked to some friendly people in ##linux and they suggested I try this channel as it seems you know most about apt :) |
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| 08:12.23 | ectospasm | ak5: from what I can tell, it can't connect to one of your repositories... Try stripping out any PPAs you have loaded, and add them back one by one... |
| 08:12.45 | ectospasm | ...but Ubuntu is not Debian, so we can be of little help here. |
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| 08:13.49 | ak5 | Ok thanks. I sadly don't have any custom PPAs, just the official ones from Ubuntu. I was hoping for some kind of way to get the exact error (verbose output flags/logs aren't helping). If you come up with something, please let me know |
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| 08:13.59 | ak5 | good day to you :) |
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| 08:14.03 | jelly-home | ledestin: dunno, given the unusual way this is set up, I'm not sure if you can modify the default route at all and keep things working. Ask the provider. You can however probably use any of the addresses in 204.11.58.0/23 as source IPs |
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| 08:16.23 | ledestin | jelly-home: thanks for that idea. I was under impression you can only choose source IP via routing. |
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| 08:27.49 | invariant | Is it possible to actually own an ipv4 address? What about ipv6? |
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| 08:29.08 | spm_Draget | How do I install a package without selecting it? |
| 08:29.52 | invariant | By "own" I mean that no yearly payment is required and that you can sue whatever party wants to take it away from you. |
| 08:30.15 | ectospasm | what do you mean? Why would you want to install a package without selecting it? |
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| 08:30.18 | andreas_ | hi guys |
| 08:30.37 | andreas_ | hey how can i change the background color in fvwm2 ? |
| 08:30.58 | jelly-home | invariant: allocations by RIRs are rather permanent |
| 08:32.04 | jelly-home | you might however want to ask about it in ##networking |
| 08:32.20 | spm_Draget | ectospasm: Do have the package installed. To have the binaries and files on my system. |
| 08:32.41 | spm_Draget | And the next auto-remove removing it as an unnesecary dependency. |
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| 08:33.04 | ectospasm | spm_Draget: you could probably download and unpack the .deb, then manually follow the installation process. |
| 08:33.52 | spm_Draget | So apt/dpkg has no feature to de-select packages or install them without selecting? |
| 08:34.38 | babilen | spm_Draget: I don't quite follow -- What does "selecting" mean in the context of dpkg and apt(-get?) ? |
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| 08:35.14 | spm_Draget | babilen: Packages listed as installed manually - i.e. those you get via 'dpkg --get-selections' |
| 08:35.48 | jelly-home | spm_Draget: selecting is how apt knows what you explicitely want installed or not |
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| 08:36.20 | jelly-home | spm_Draget: why do you want to avoid selecting? |
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| 08:39.44 | spm_Draget | jelly-home: In my case I need the programm temporarily installed just for a quick purpose. Ofcourse I can purge it agian. But if it was not my system, I might need to check first if the package *had* been installed in purpose by someone which would add just another step. Another usecase could be a corrupted file on the system where I want to user apt-get --reinstall and make sure, if it is a selected package it stays that way, if |
| 08:39.44 | spm_Draget | it is just a dependly, that it does not ge tselected. gentoo aquivent to 'emerge --oneshot' |
| 08:40.08 | debianN00b | I am searching for a VNC/RDP server software which is not interactive . Basically i want to work from remote location on the same server computer |
| 08:40.25 | spm_Draget | *equivalent |
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| 08:41.18 | jelly-home | spm_Draget: oh, you merely want to avoid changing the current state |
| 08:41.22 | debianN00b | i tried xrdp, vnc server but it is logging as Interactive user so i can't control already opened application on the remote computer |
| 08:41.36 | babilen | spm_Draget: You can always mark them as automatically installed with, e.g., apt-mark or aptitude -- Note that dependencies are already marked as being automatically installed if they are not named explicitly. |
| 08:41.41 | spm_Draget | debianN00b: What do you mean by not interactive? You can have view-only connection configured for most servers, e.g. in x11vnc for real x11-sessions or tightvnc for new vns sessions |
| 08:41.48 | jelly-home | spm_Draget: I have no idea how to do that with a single command. |
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| 08:45.48 | jelly-home | spm_Draget: you could check and file a wishlist bug for apt and/or aptitude for an option that lets you install stuff but restore the markauto state afterwards |
| 08:45.57 | debianN00b | spm_Draget, thanks , x11vnc is the right tool for me... Seems performance issue! |
| 08:47.02 | spm_Draget | debianN00b: x11vnc has a huge ammount of settings to tweak alot of things. |
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| 08:48.04 | spm_Draget | dpkg --get-selections shows *all* packages, right? |
| 08:48.05 | dpkg | spm_Draget: no idea |
| 08:48.27 | ectospasm | spm_Draget: shows everything you've installed through apt |
| 08:48.49 | spm_Draget | ectospasm: Also the installed dependencies, right? |
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| 08:49.12 | ectospasm | spm_Draget: yes |
| 08:49.55 | babilen | jelly-home: What would the markauto status be for newly installed packages? |
| 08:50.25 | babilen | must be missing a crucial piece in the puzzle |
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| 08:51.08 | spm_Draget | I am used to gentoo, where things you explicitly install are more of a first-class-citizen of your system and portage takes care of all the depdencies. On debian it feels more like apt does not care and we have just an additional list somewhere of automatically installed packages so we know what to check for autopurge |
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| 08:51.52 | theothertom | as I understood --get-selections, it was only the stuff that was explictly installed or removed |
| 08:52.01 | babilen | spm_Draget: Things you install explicitly are marked as manually installed and everything that is installed to satisfy a dependency as automatically installed. |
| 08:52.08 | spm_Draget | Getting the defualt configfile or fixing borken binaries is as easy as 'emerge -1 <package>', I one does not have to care if it was installed explicitly or just a dep, as oneshot does not touch the worldfile |
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| 08:53.07 | debianN00b | spm_Draget, Slow performance may for graphics ? |
| 08:53.26 | spm_Draget | debianN00b: Hm? What do you mean? |
| 08:53.43 | Raha | hi |
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| 08:54.18 | babilen | spm_Draget: What are you trying to do/achieve? You do not have to recompile packages on Debian (that is one of the many points about a binary distribution) -- I don't quite understand what it is about the distinction of manually and automatically installed packages in Debian that doesn't make sense to you. |
| 08:54.42 | spm_Draget | debianN00b: There are settings to change how x11vnc accesses the screen (shadowbuffer or something like that), caching options and compression options for transfering over network. Check http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
| 08:55.02 | spm_Draget | It also has a GUI to configure the server, do not recall the option to use tho |
| 08:55.04 | babilen | spm_Draget: do you require a list of all packages that you have installed manually? Is that it? Are you simply not sure how to run a query that returns only those packages? |
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| 08:55.25 | debianN00b | spm_Draget, I connecting to debian from windows using tightvnc over lan but it is slow really. may it is the same problem as mine http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1097683 |
| 08:57.25 | spm_Draget | babilen: It does make sense to me, was just wondering if I could use 'apt-get --reinstall install' for a package without having to manually check this flag before and manually restore it. |
| 08:57.29 | jelly-home | babilen: he can't "apt-get --reinstall install foo" and keep the previous select/markauto value for foo |
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| 08:58.52 | spm_Draget | But sure, I'll just manually take care with apt-mark |
| 08:58.54 | jelly-home | I can see it be useful if you want to pick up a specific upgrade for some library right now but leave the rest of the system untouched |
| 08:59.24 | spm_Draget | The inital question was just if there is something like --lean-mark-untouched option for apt. |
| 08:59.32 | babilen | jelly-home: That works fine here and I seem to remember seeing that bug in the BTS -- Which version of apt is this, spm_Draget ? |
| 08:59.40 | spm_Draget | *--leave-mark-untouched |
| 08:59.43 | spm_Draget | But Okay =) |
| 08:59.52 | babilen | spm_Draget: Which version of Debian/apt are you using? |
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| 09:00.34 | jelly-home | babilen: "apt-get install libfoo" always resets to manual install afaik |
| 09:00.42 | spm_Draget | babilen: What do you mean by 'that'? --reinstall? And it is 0.8.10.3 |
| 09:00.55 | babilen | jelly-home: yes, sure it does ... |
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| 09:01.07 | jelly-home | babilen: so what works fine? |
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| 09:01.15 | babilen | "apt-get install FOO" is the act of installing something manually is it not? |
| 09:01.21 | spm_Draget | It is okay, I'll just manually check it =) |
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| 09:01.34 | jelly-home | babilen: it's also the act of upgrading something manually |
| 09:01.56 | jelly-home | there is no specific command for upgrading a particular package |
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| 09:02.23 | babilen | jelly-home: Okay, so the problem is that there is no distinction between installing something and upgrading something and the bug is that apt shouldn't change the automatically installed flag during the upgrade ? |
| 09:02.43 | jelly-home | babilen: there is no bug, it's a new feature |
| 09:03.08 | jelly-home | and it's not just for upgrades, it's useful for a forced reinstall as well |
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| 09:03.38 | dizzylizzy | So once wheezy goes stable, sid is likely to be flooded with new major release versions, huh |
| 09:03.39 | babilen | Well, wishlist at least and one might argue that upgrading a single package explicitly versus upgrading all upgradable package shouldn't result in a change to the automatically installed database |
| 09:04.12 | jelly-home | sure, if only there was a way to upgrade a package ;-) |
| 09:04.15 | spm_Draget | It is a rare usecase, I admit. |
| 09:04.25 | babilen | jelly-home: reinstall's work fine and do *not* exhibit this behaviour. If you run "apt-get --reinstall install automatically-installed-package" it will still be marked as automatically installed afterwards. |
| 09:04.48 | babilen | But okay, I understand the problem now. |
| 09:04.51 | jelly-home | babilen: that's nice |
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| 09:05.15 | babilen | yeah :) |
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| 09:07.06 | babilen | spm_Draget: Note that with aptitude you can run "aptitude install pkg&M" and mark it as automatically installed during that action. (the same allows you to remove a package with "aptitude install pkg-" ;) ) |
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| 09:08.22 | babilen | spm_Draget: Argh, no ... "aptitude install pkg&M" will simply mark it as automatically installed and that's it |
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| 09:08.43 | spm_Draget | Thanks |
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| 09:09.43 | jelly-home | too bad that both "apt-mark showauto dpkg" and "apt-mark showmanual dpkg" return exit status 0 |
| 09:10.46 | babilen | spm_Draget: Feel free to report this but, but I am honestly not sure how to fix it. I would argue that the right way would be to introduce an additional command (or make upgrade take single packages) that allows to upgrade packages and restrict "install" simply to installing packages. |
| 09:10.55 | jelly-home | means the function/oneliner to do --dont-touch-auto has to use [ -n ] or [ -z ] |
| 09:11.26 | truexfan81 | one thing in my time on debian and also newbuntu, i have never figured out is why apt-get autoremove always manages to break stuff |
| 09:12.00 | babilen | truexfan81: it doesn't - please show me one example of it actually breaking something |
| 09:12.07 | jelly-home | truexfan81: because authors of apt and aptitude are forever in war |
| 09:12.21 | truexfan81 | i've never once managed to run it without it breaking something |
| 09:12.51 | truexfan81 | i have debian wheezy on my netbook and server, i don't care to break either right now babilen sorry |
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| 09:13.22 | jelly-home | truexfan81: the bugs should be fixed by now, but the inconsistent mess made by using different package tools has to be fixed manually |
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| 09:13.53 | babilen | truexfan81: Well, I just ran it without problems and removed some automatically installed packages that I no longer need. But it works, I can assure you of that as I use it every now and then. *If* you run into problems that would be a bug and would merit our investigation. |
| 09:13.57 | truexfan81 | last time i ran that command on newbuntu it left me without a DE lol |
| 09:14.23 | jelly-home | truexfan81: that's a good bug to report to newbuntu! |
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| 09:14.40 | babilen | truexfan81: Note that the behaviour of apt-get and aptitude regarding automatically installed packages changed tremendously and that your system might have status files from the "dark ages" in which apt-get and aptitude didn't work well together. |
| 09:15.04 | truexfan81 | yeah thats possible |
| 09:15.20 | jelly-home | babilen: what about synaptic and update-manager |
| 09:15.22 | jelly-home | hides |
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| 09:16.17 | babilen | truexfan81: And people removing their DE is typically due to: 1. Having installed the DE with a large metapackage such as gnome 2. They decide that they no longer need a package that was /also/ installed as part of gnome 3. The removal of that package triggers the removal of gnome which, in turn, triggers the removal off all the rest of gnome's dependencies |
| 09:16.39 | babilen | jelly-home: I honestly don't know ... or packagekit or ... /me runs |
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| 09:18.27 | babilen | truexfan81: And you /could/ just run "apt-get -s autoremove" to see what would happen :) |
| 09:18.50 | truexfan81 | i'll have to remember that -s |
| 09:18.59 | jelly-home | I only know update-manager in debian is some long-forgotten branch that noone uses, which kind of explains why it's broken |
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| 09:19.25 | truexfan81 | true |
| 09:19.47 | babilen | synaptics should be reasonable, but then it doesn't respect a lot of other settings specific to apt-get/aptitude so I wouldn't chance it |
| 09:19.50 | truexfan81 | jelly-home: most debian users just use apt-get or aptitude to upgrade |
| 09:20.50 | jelly-home | or both, depeding on which one makes better guesses at particular time |
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| 09:22.31 | truexfan81 | oh i am having one problem with wheezy/alsa i'm not booted into right now tho, i installed wheezy to a usb stick for testing some things on my pc, my sound seems to only work on 1 out of 5 boots |
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| 09:25.06 | truexfan81 | the main thing i was wanting to test was mpv-player with spdif bitstreaming, but the alsa problems are keeping me from being able to do that |
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| 09:27.51 | truexfan81 | wow it got quiet when i brought up that problem |
| 09:28.06 | raSter^ | if i forgot a password in a user account |
| 09:28.12 | raSter^ | how do i reset it in debian? |
| 09:28.54 | Sarigity | raster^: as root, use passwd <name of user> |
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| 09:28.58 | truexfan81 | raSter^: best way is to su to root and passwd user, it will then ask you for the new password for that user |
| 09:29.08 | truexfan81 | oh Sarigity beat me to it |
| 09:29.15 | raSter^ | thanks |
| 09:29.20 | Sarigity | :) |
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| 09:31.46 | CableNinja | how can I change 100+ files contents via regex? |
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| 09:32.09 | deepy | the same way as you change 1 file? |
| 09:32.26 | CableNinja | deepy: .... |
| 09:32.30 | CableNinja | thats not usefull |
| 09:32.42 | truexfan81 | #regex? |
| 09:32.59 | CableNinja | I already have the regex that I'm adjusting within the file |
| 09:33.13 | CableNinja | I just need to know how to process said files and change the contents with said regex |
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| 09:33.26 | deepy | use sed or awk? |
| 09:34.07 | CableNinja | .-. can your answers get any shorter and less expletive? |
| 09:34.51 | truexfan81 | expletive? he hasn't used any expletives :p |
| 09:35.05 | CableNinja | sh, I cant type :P |
| 09:35.13 | CableNinja | anyway... |
| 09:35.27 | truexfan81 | i think specific is the word you want ;) |
| 09:35.31 | CableNinja | sure :) |
| 09:35.50 | CableNinja | I typically do this through my text editor's mas search and replace, but its slow sometimes, taking up to 20+ minutes to do it since the content is remote |
| 09:35.54 | deepy | CableNinja: http://wiki.debian.org/Tutorials/Sed |
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| 09:37.14 | CableNinja | deepy: ok, again, with the lack of explanation... I understand how to use sed... but trying to dump back into the same file causes havoc, and renaming/moving files all over is going to kill me if it goes south |
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| 09:38.16 | deepy | CableNinja: ok, again with the lack of explanation. You asked how to edit many files via regex. That's how you do it. |
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| 09:38.34 | deepy | I'm not a master of sed so I'm not gonna risk giving you the wrong information, that's why I gave you the tutorial |
| 09:38.47 | truexfan81 | sounds like something a script would be helpful for, i have never written a script tho so i can't be any more specific tho sorry |
| 09:39.08 | CableNinja | :| |
| 09:39.12 | deepy | If you can't edit the file in place and you can't rename or make a copy of it, how are you going to edit it? |
| 09:39.22 | CableNinja | wat |
| 09:39.46 | CableNinja | you cant cat fileA.txt | sed {stuff} > fileA.txt, it just doesnt work |
| 09:39.58 | deepy | That's not how sed works, look at the link I sent you |
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| 09:40.29 | CableNinja | dafuq you mean thats not how sed works? |
| 09:40.36 | CableNinja | even if you just sed file > file |
| 09:40.41 | CableNinja | STILL going to have problems |
| 09:40.47 | deepy | Why are you using pipes? that's not how you are supposed to use sed |
| 09:40.52 | deepy | err, redirection, not pipes |
| 09:40.57 | deepy | sed can read and write to files |
| 09:41.40 | deepy | The first example in the tutorial shows you how to edit a file and it doesn't use cat, it doesn't use > or | or < |
| 09:41.43 | ectospasm | sed can also edit files in place |
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| 09:42.06 | CableNinja | deepy: and it outputs to stdout |
| 09:42.09 | CableNinja | not back into the file |
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| 09:42.12 | CableNinja | ectospasm: how? |
| 09:42.13 | deepy | No it doesn't |
| 09:42.21 | deepy | Look at the tutorial or read the manual for sed |
| 09:42.29 | ectospasm | CableNinja: man sed... see "sed -i" |
| 09:43.05 | CableNinja | ectospasm: ty |
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| 09:43.48 | ectospasm | better to make a copy of the file first, just in case |
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| 09:45.00 | CableNinja | yeah... |
| 09:45.07 | CableNinja | packages his framework |
| 09:45.14 | CableNinja | sweeps it into a dark corner |
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| 09:52.12 | jackbrown | i have a problem my file system is read only after a crash and i dunno how to fix it, is there anyone available to help me ? |
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| 09:53.07 | rozie | jackbrown: 1 make backup of the partition |
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| 09:53.36 | nkuttler | jackbrown: you probably want to fsck the filesystem first |
| 09:53.38 | rozie | 2. make backup of the most important data |
| 09:53.49 | rozie | 3. try to repair system with fsck |
| 09:53.51 | jackbrown | nkuttler:dunno how to do |
| 09:54.10 | rozie | jackbrown: backup first |
| 09:54.23 | rozie | (you've been warned, don't cry later...) |
| 09:54.27 | jackbrown | rozie: it's a VMware machine |
| 09:54.46 | rozie | jackbrown: so what? |
| 09:55.05 | jackbrown | rozie: nothing |
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| 09:55.15 | jackbrown | rozie: there isn't a fast way to fix it ? |
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| 09:55.38 | rozie | restore a snapshot |
| 09:55.51 | jackbrown | ? |
| 09:56.12 | rozie | if it's vm, you can have snapshot backup |
| 09:57.17 | ectospasm | rozie: that assumes there *IS* a snapshot backup |
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| 09:57.30 | rozie | fast and easy way to fix RO - run fsck. sometimes you may lost all the data, but usually it works |
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| 09:59.59 | jackbrown | ectospasm: i dunno what is a snapshot backup and i don't think i sat it |
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| 10:03.02 | ectospasm | jackbrown: VMWare can (or at least, should) grant you the ability to make a snapshot of the VM guest image. If you didn't use it before this problem occurred, it won't help you now. |
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| 10:14.23 | MissKitty | Hello is there a chat for regular questions no just debian questions? |
| 10:14.45 | format_c | #debian-offtopic e.g. |
| 10:15.09 | MissKitty | like questions like whats the best rolling release type of question .... |
| 10:15.36 | daemonkeeper | MissKitty: You rather look for ##linux |
| 10:16.04 | daemonkeeper | That said, you won't ever get a sensible answer for "what's the best $X" type of question. |
| 10:16.07 | MissKitty | i try that but I can ask any questions there or post them for some reason |
| 10:16.54 | MissKitty | i guess i have to sing up to post question there like on fedora ....:( |
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| 10:17.14 | daemonkeeper | Sign up? Register your name perhaps. |
| 10:17.20 | MissKitty | yes |
| 10:17.38 | MissKitty | i do not know where or how to do so for ##linux |
| 10:17.41 | Myrtti | repustaan |
| 10:17.48 | daemonkeeper | You do network-wide. Once. |
| 10:18.05 | Myrtti | registration is freenode wide |
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| 10:18.28 | Myrtti | if you've done it once you don't have to doit again |
| 10:18.37 | MissKitty | i am new :( |
| 10:19.40 | MissKitty | I try opensuse but was not able to install tumbleweed and on their chat they made me feel stupid to say the least so not going back to them for sure |
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| 10:20.24 | MissKitty | is debian sid rolling? |
| 10:20.28 | MissKitty | :) |
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| 10:23.07 | jelly-home | not really, it's just a place where every single new package version goes |
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| 10:23.59 | ic56 | (sorry) |
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| 10:24.23 | MissKitty | oh ok well thank you .....you were the only friendly ones at least you make newbies feel welcome in linux thank you for that |
| 10:24.34 | MissKitty | good bye |
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| 10:26.39 | light_ | I have an external hard drive plugged into my computer, and it isn't recognizing it and it isn't formatted. How do I make my computer recognize it so I can put stuff on it? |
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| 10:29.37 | jelly-home | #debian described as friendly, that might be a first! But really, some people forget they were beginners and clueless just like anyone else -- don't take it too seriously |
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| 10:31.03 | ectospasm | I like that #debian is not like other channels, either unhelpful or a deluge of chatter where your questions get lost. |
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| 10:32.42 | IvelfanFr | Hello everybody |
| 10:32.57 | IvelfanFr | I have a problem with "php -v" command |
| 10:33.11 | IvelfanFr | The error : Le message précis est : "Allowed memory size of 262144 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 523800) in Unknown on line 0 |
| 10:33.25 | IvelfanFr | I don't understand where is the error |
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| 10:34.05 | light_ | I have an unformated external hard drive in an enclosure connected to my computer. The usual directory/name for external items isn't showing up automatically like usual. How do I make my computer recognize it so I can put stuff on the external HD? |
| 10:34.09 | daemonkeeper | Your PHP application likes memory for breakfast. If you need more, change your php.ini |
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| 10:34.37 | IvelfanFr | memory_limit is 128M in all of php.ini |
| 10:34.41 | IvelfanFr | apache and cli |
| 10:34.49 | ic56 | dpkg tell light_: mount |
| 10:35.07 | ic56 | what is mount |
| 10:35.15 | IvelfanFr | I modify suhosin.ini too |
| 10:35.18 | ic56 | dpkg what is mount? |
| 10:35.19 | dpkg | it has been said that mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem. `man 8 mount`. See also <reference>, <fstab>. |
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| 10:37.04 | ic56 | light_: you need to discover the device name of the drive. Then you can format it, then mount it. |
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| 10:37.13 | daemonkeeper | IvelfanFr: It's not, somewhere you missed a "M". 262144 == 256KB. |
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| 10:42.13 | talib | Is it possible to install a newer version of znc than 0.206-2 on debian wheezy? |
| 10:42.28 | IvelfanFr | daemonkeeper: Thanks, I add an B to 128M :) |
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| 10:43.47 | zetheroo | is there a release date for Wheezy? I am being told by a colleague that next week it's being released as stable. |
| 10:44.11 | daemonkeeper | Don't look at the topic. It's a secret! |
| 10:44.18 | deepy | zetheroo: topic says it's scheduled for May 4th or 5th |
| 10:44.22 | deepy | but I suppose it's subject to change |
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| 10:48.11 | Raha | hi |
| 10:48.15 | Raha | i have problem, i set my eth0, to get manually IP address by GUI, but it dosent work and gets ip by dhcp in the office ! why? |
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| 10:49.19 | digdilem | Raha, past your /etc/network/interfaces file and give the link here, because it sounds like you haven't set static ip right |
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| 10:49.42 | Raha | i set it by GUI! |
| 10:49.53 | Raha | ok i test the file again in this address u told me |
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| 10:50.07 | digdilem | gets the feeling this is going to be hard work |
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| 10:50.57 | Raha | # The primary network interface |
| 10:51.01 | Raha | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 10:51.01 | Raha | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 10:51.10 | ectospasm | !paste |
| 10:51.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 10:52.02 | Raha | it gets by dhcp, how can i edit the file by command |
| 10:52.08 | daemonkeeper | Network Manager does not like it when /e/n/i intervenes. Choose either. |
| 10:52.53 | digdilem | raha, I know nothing about network manager, but this is an example of a working static-ip /etc/interfaces/network file: http://paste.debian.net/1460/ |
| 10:53.15 | digdilem | change to suit your network, then: ifconfig eth0 down && ifconfig eth0 up |
| 10:53.19 | digdilem | it should pop back up on the static |
| 10:53.46 | digdilem | someone else can help if you want to use NM |
| 10:53.56 | Raha | thank u so much :-* |
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| 10:55.35 | babilen | Raha: Please realise that you can configure your interfaces either in /etc/network/interfaces or by using network-manager (the gui) -- network-manager will not manage any interfaces that have been configured in /etc/network/interfaces which is exactly what happened to your earlier. |
| 10:56.05 | babilen | Raha: If you only want to configure a single, static, ethernet connection I would just do that in /etc/network/interfaces and not via network-manager at all. |
| 10:56.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell Raha -about interfaces |
| 10:56.37 | babilen | Raha: In particular read http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 10:57.24 | Raha | ok do my best and tel u then. |
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| 11:02.24 | zetheroo | as we have several servers running Wheezy already we are wondering how it will go with updating them to Stable when it's released ... is it just a matter of apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 11:02.44 | babilen | Raha: And do m a favour and use "you" in lieu of "u" :) |
| 11:03.49 | ectospasm | yeah, using "sms speak" actually degrades comprehension by the reader |
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| 11:04.29 | daemonkeeper | u so mad bro! |
| 11:04.43 | babilen | dpkg: ne1 |
| 11:04.43 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s). |
| 11:04.44 | ectospasm | shush |
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| 11:05.12 | daemonkeeper | babilen broke dpkg! |
| 11:05.19 | shifty | any way to encourage aptitude to download multiple .debs concurrently? |
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| 11:05.40 | ectospasm | I don't know if aptitude is multithreaded... |
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| 11:06.00 | babilen | shifty: Not that I know of, Why would you want that? |
| 11:06.06 | ectospasm | ...and depending on your mirror it may only allow one connection anyway. |
| 11:06.11 | daemonkeeper | You don't need multiple threads to download in parallel. Apart of that, no it doesn't. |
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| 11:10.15 | shifty | babilen: ten one meg files take ten times as long as one ten meg file. hence, start a couple concurrently, and the total time is reduced (since most time is spent "waiting" rather than "downloading"). I'm downloading from my ISP's mirror, so I'm not being a bad net citizen. |
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| 11:11.01 | Raha | i edit /etc/network/interfaces and set static ip address completely but still it gest from dhcp!! |
| 11:11.22 | daemonkeeper | Listen to babilen, he's a wise man with long beard. |
| 11:11.36 | daemonkeeper | And he told you, to choose either configuration method. Not both. |
| 11:11.40 | shifty | daemonkeeper: oh well, nothing lost if I have to wait for a download! |
| 11:12.41 | Raha | i choose one of them, set manually ip , by comand |
| 11:12.57 | babilen | daemonkeeper: I might have a beard, bit I am not yet a wizened wizard. I will, however, cast a spell and get the elves to prepare me some lunch … |
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| 11:13.56 | babilen | shifty: I don't quite follow that logic, but you might want daemonkeeper to discuss this with you. (he's the master of networks, wizard of bgp and skilled in the dark ways of the SP) |
| 11:14.15 | daemonkeeper | And uses /e/n/i ONLY |
| 11:14.31 | daemonkeeper | Not very good at networkmanagering. |
| 11:15.10 | daemonkeeper | Oh, the other discussion. Nevermind :> |
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| 11:16.49 | WormFood | what is the "Debian Way" to recreate my initrd files? |
| 11:17.11 | daemonkeeper | shifty: You're wrong. TCP implements congestion control, which balances data transfers automatically. That means, it will use all the bandwidth you can get and it behaves fair to competing flows. |
| 11:17.19 | Towzzer | update-initramfs |
| 11:17.31 | Towzzer | oh wait, what files wormfood? |
| 11:17.40 | daemonkeeper | But that's off-topic. Go to ##networking if you want to discuss this. |
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| 11:18.00 | gizeh | Hi |
| 11:18.10 | WormFood | for the boot initrd |
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| 11:18.42 | WormFood | I installed a new kernel, and my initrdfs-tools was out of date, so it didn't update it...and now I can't figure out how to do that the "Debian way" |
| 11:18.52 | zetheroo | as we have several servers running Wheezy already we are wondering how it will go with updating them to Stable when it's released ... is it just a matter of apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 11:18.55 | Towzzer | the command I said |
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| 11:19.36 | WormFood | I passed it the -k all option, and it refused to create anything. It said I have an existing initrd for my kernel (which I do)....but I want to make it for the other kernels |
| 11:19.42 | shifty | At any rate, I've just watched libreoffice (27 meg .deb) download at say 2 meg a second. This is what I expect. /Overall/ aptitude reports "Fetched 531 MB in 8min 24s (1,051 kB/s)". It appears (and I haven't done in-depth profiling here, but...) that the larger files download faster than smaller files on a byte-per-time basis. |
| 11:20.04 | daemonkeeper | shifty: Yes. That's TCP's flow control. Google "slow start" |
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| 11:20.29 | Towzzer | wormfood I don't know sorry |
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| 11:21.40 | WormFood | I think you've given me the right command...just isn't obvious how to make it do what I want. |
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| 11:22.24 | shifty | daemonkeeper: ok - can't disagree. Question though - if I started a number of downloads concurrently, would I see significant variation in total time to completion? |
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| 11:23.32 | ic56 | t static ip right |
| 11:23.32 | ic56 | <Raha> i set it by GUI! |
| 11:24.01 | WormFood | perhaps because I didn't install the kernel headers...I'm sure I screwed up something. |
| 11:24.13 | daemonkeeper | shifty: It won't increase the mean bandwidth you get across flows. It may help for small files. |
| 11:25.01 | daemonkeeper | Because these are small enough so that congestion control has no chance to regulate the stream down. |
| 11:25.11 | shifty | daemonkeeper: that seems very much "yes" and "no". |
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| 11:26.59 | shifty | daemonkeeper: ok, perhaps that is #networking topic. no biggy, just was annoyed at the time smaller files took and figured the computer could line up some extra download in the lull periods. thank you. |
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| 11:27.54 | daemonkeeper | Small files are bad to be downloaded these days. The signaling overhead is way too high for modern bandwidths, so that you don't win much on reasonable uplinks. |
| 11:28.00 | WormFood | well, I don't know what I did, but something I installed, maybe the headers, made it work for me.....rebooting now to try |
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| 11:30.12 | WormFood | nope, didn't work...trying again... |
| 11:30.58 | shifty | daemonkeeper: i am surprised the web is browsable! |
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| 11:31.52 | daemonkeeper | shifty: The web grew a lot these days. You'll barely find a web site being smaller than 1M. But again: ##networking if you care enough. |
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| 11:32.29 | shifty | daemonkeeper: quite. ++thanks. |
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| 11:34.52 | WormFood | ok, I got it figured out. I was passing update-initramfs the wrong info for what it wanted...once I figured that out, it created the file just fine. Thanks Towzzer |
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| 11:51.20 | WormFood | now if I can just get the 3d video to work (on my new Laptop), I'll be all set :D |
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| 11:52.53 | babilen | WormFood: You mean hardware acceleration or are you referring to 3D glasses? |
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| 11:57.18 | WormFood | hardware acceleration |
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| 12:01.14 | babilen | WormFood: Which gpu? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga) -- Could you also install the mesa-utils package in run "glxinfo|grep -rE "render(er|ing)"" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 12:01.57 | WormFood | glxinfo isn't working right. I'ts giving me an error |
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| 12:02.04 | babilen | WormFood: Remove the -r in that grep command .. no idea where that came from :) |
| 12:02.06 | WormFood | it is an intel 3000 integrated |
| 12:02.21 | WormFood | and I'm on squeeze, using backports |
| 12:02.25 | babilen | WormFood: Which version of Debian? Which kernel? Do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed? |
| 12:02.39 | WormFood | http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=15050 <-- trying to follow this now |
| 12:02.53 | WormFood | I believe all the firmware files are installed, but will double check |
| 12:02.55 | babilen | WormFood: Okay, the versions in squeeze don't really work and I am not sure how well Xorg from backports works with a backported kernel. |
| 12:03.00 | WormFood | I just upgraded to 3.2.0 kernel |
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| 12:03.23 | babilen | WormFood: Honestly, just upgrade to wheezy first. If you have hardware that "new" you really want newer software .. |
| 12:03.32 | babilen | WormFood: did you also upgrade Xorg? |
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| 12:03.41 | WormFood | yeah, I also upgraded xorg |
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| 12:03.54 | WormFood | wheezy uses gnome 3, which I've found to be unacceptable |
| 12:04.42 | WormFood | I honestly tried to use it, but it can't even handle dual monitors properly, because the developers were too busy adding touch screen support, to try to be more like windows 8 or whoever they're trying to copy. |
| 12:05.02 | babilen | Then use a different desktop environment such as, for example, xfce. You could also install cinnamon from sid or use a different distribution. Using squeeze for the next 50 years is not an option IMHO |
| 12:05.17 | WormFood | sure, of course not. |
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| 12:05.49 | WormFood | however, I'm not really keen on changing my desktop environment. I've gotten every tweaked just the way I like it. |
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| 12:05.59 | babilen | Well, you have to. |
| 12:06.05 | WormFood | so, I'll go with gnome 2, as long as feasible |
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| 12:07.32 | rlewis | is there any recommendation for vim auto-complete plugin that would work with vim indexer plugin? |
| 12:07.36 | babilen | I am using exactly that GPU on sid and have no problems at all. It might very well be that you require the 2.19 that is in wheezy/sid at this moment or there might be some other problem with the backported packages or the way they interact with a backported kernel. |
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| 12:08.38 | babilen | rlewis: I would strongly recommend to ask in #vim -- And please clarify what you mean by "autocomplete". I happily use OmniComplete and it does all I would want it to do. This is also /very/ programming language specific. But then, take it to the right channel. See you there! |
| 12:08.39 | WormFood | I'm using 2.13.0-7 |
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| 12:09.16 | babilen | WormFood: That version /definitely/ doesn't support your GPU -- Didn't you say that you upgraded Xorg as well? But then, upgrade to wheezy. It is the sensible thing to do right now. |
| 12:09.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell WormFood -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 12:09.49 | WormFood | I'd rather build from source, if required. There is no reason why I should need to upgrade because of one single package :P |
| 12:10.28 | WormFood | ok babilen, thanks for your help. I what I need to do now. Thanks for confirming that it does in fact work. |
| 12:10.35 | rlewis | oh. sorry for asking in the wrong channel. |
| 12:10.48 | WormFood | er...I know what I need to do now. |
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| 12:11.21 | babilen | WormFood: I don't see what you think you are gaining. Okay, you might be able to use your setup for yet another year until we drop support for squeze and update then. All that you will achieve by that is: 1. Postpone work (which is alright I guess) 2. Get even more used to your current environment 3. Use a suboptimal and rarely testing combination of packages that nobody really knows about or that is not really supported anymore |
| 12:11.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell WormFood about bdo xorg |
| 12:12.19 | babilen | WormFood: Honest advice: Make your mind! If you don't want to use gnome 3 then switch to something else (xfce, lxde, cinnamon, kde, ... various window managers, ...) |
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| 12:13.08 | WormFood | Obviously I'll have to, or maintain everything myself. |
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| 12:13.37 | WormFood | and I have install my system from scratch before ( years ago, it was a real ordeal, but a wonderful learning experience) |
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| 12:15.22 | babilen | WormFood: If ou think about using those backports ask in #debian-x on irc.oftc.net for information about their status/support ... All I know is that they are old and not really maintained. |
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| 12:17.04 | babilen | WormFood: If you /really/ can't live without Gnome2 then look into cinnamon (which has been packaged for Debian) or MATE (which would require you to switch to linux mint or use (don't do this) unofficial packages in Debian) -- My personal opinion is that the better approach is to accept the reality and move on to something else rather sooner than later. |
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| 12:18.21 | WormFood | thanks for the advice babilen. I appreciate it. |
| 12:18.49 | WormFood | last time I tried Gnome 3, it simply wasn't mature enough for me yet. Seriously, it didn't even properly support dual monitors. |
| 12:19.05 | WormFood | http://wormfood.net/pictures/gnome2vs3.jpg |
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| 12:19.46 | babilen | That depends on your definition of "proper" -- I agree that it doesn't "properly" support dual screens, but then no DE seems to do. (I want to be able to have independent workspaces on each screen, so that changing one does not change the other) |
| 12:20.09 | WormFood | well, gnome 2 works the way I want it to. |
| 12:20.47 | babilen | WormFood: that picture is not helpful at all, simply hyperbole, fud and at best a failed attempt at satire. |
| 12:21.03 | WormFood | that is how it feels to ME. |
| 12:21.49 | WormFood | gnome 3 made me click way more than I should need to get to the same things. They hide notifications, to keep the screen clean...I don't want to move my mouse to see if I have a message waiting, I want to just look at the screen. |
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| 12:22.03 | babilen | But don't get me wrong .. I am not arguing in favour of Gnome 3 (I like it, but then I use awesomewm), but simply say "It is how it is. Accept it and move on." |
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| 12:22.23 | WormFood | the gnome 3 developers do not have me in mind, with their changes. They have "average users" in mind with their changes. |
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| 12:22.31 | WormFood | and touch screens |
| 12:22.36 | babilen | Also this topic has been discussed ad absurdum and there are millions of blog posts from a year ago that summarise the entire discussion. |
| 12:22.36 | jackbrown | Is there anyone that can help me to change my /home/user from read only ?? I can't use my OS now |
| 12:22.49 | WormFood | you're absolutely right, and I don't want to visit it again. |
| 12:23.16 | WormFood | jackbrown, mount -o remount,rw /home/user or whatever your mount point is for /home |
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| 12:23.55 | Raha | chmod u+w /home/user |
| 12:24.19 | babilen | jackbrown: It would also be interesting to learn /why/ your filesystem has been mounted read-only. Typically that is a symptom of filesystems error (in particular if you have the error=remount-ro option in /etc/fstab) |
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| 12:24.48 | Raha | jackbrown chmod u+w /home/usr |
| 12:24.56 | tokern3 | http://paste.debian.net/1472/ what should i do? |
| 12:25.01 | jackbrown | ok |
| 12:25.30 | WormFood | babilen, I wouldn't install wheezy on my desktop at this time, but I'm trying to get all this working on my laptop, which isn't the same use patterns, so I'll give wheezy a shot on it, and if I get everything all tweaked the way I like, I'll upgrade my desktop too |
| 12:25.47 | babilen | jackbrown: I would recomend to reboot into a live CD and run fsck on the fulesystem. In addition to that (in fact you might want to start with this) is to install smartmontools and take a look at the output of "smartctl -a /dev/sdX" where /dev/sdX is the block device of your harddrive., (e.g. /dev/sda) |
| 12:25.51 | WormFood | thanks again for your advice. |
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| 12:26.27 | Sevet_ | jackbrown: check dmesg for io errors for starters |
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| 12:27.01 | babilen | tokern3: Mind pasting your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy drcsim gazebo" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 12:28.23 | zetheroo | as we have several servers running Wheezy already we are wondering how it will go with updating them to Stable when it's released ... is it just a matter of apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 12:29.28 | babilen | zetheroo: yes, just make sure you have "wheezy" in your sources.list and not "testing" |
| 12:30.12 | tokern3 | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/1473/ http://paste.debian.net/1474/ |
| 12:30.12 | zetheroo | babilen: ah ok - thanks! |
| 12:30.14 | WormFood | babilen, I got it working now. I screwed up with installing from backports....xorg-intel 2.15 works (I know, it's old, and not well supported....seriously, I'm gonna drop in a spare hard drive, and give wheezy a shot) |
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| 12:31.22 | babilen | WormFood: Good to hear that. :) -- Enjoy it while you can and make plans for the future now. |
| 12:31.55 | WormFood | you're absolutely right. I'm either gonna be supporting it myself, or be woefully out of date |
| 12:32.00 | babilen | tokern3: You downloaded all DVDs? wow :) |
| 12:32.10 | rorschach | iwlwifi-5000-2.ucode firmware file req failed: -2 on Intel 5100AGN. Do I have to compile or source or something? |
| 12:32.13 | tokern3 | babilen: ;) |
| 12:32.41 | babilen | tokern3: Okay, we cannot support those packages here as they are neither from Debian nor do they target Debian. |
| 12:33.05 | tokern3 | babilen: what do you mean? |
| 12:33.09 | WormFood | I can now play my videos, with using -vo x11 switch, and glxgears/glxinfo works. |
| 12:33.28 | babilen | tokern3: What I would recommend: Clean up your sources.list (you have several typos in there (squeez instead of squeeze)) and maybe even remove the DVDs if you are connected to the internet. |
| 12:33.37 | rorschach | All of the forum topics I found said that updates were necessary, but they were from 2009 or 2011. A more recent version is sitting on wireless.kernel.org but I thought debian would have a working package for squeeze with 2.6.32-5 |
| 12:33.50 | babilen | rorschach: No, you have to install the firmware-iwlwfi package which is in non-free |
| 12:33.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell rorschach -about firmware-iwlwifi |
| 12:34.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell rorschach -about iwlwifi |
| 12:34.09 | WormFood | rorschach, I generally copy all my firmware from the knoppix dvd....I know, it isn't the official debian way, but it makes my life a lot easier for the firmwares not included with debian. |
| 12:34.53 | rorschach | thx, I thought there was a well known fix :( but all the top hits on google are old :( |
| 12:34.54 | WormFood | it'd be so nice, if they actually released source code for the firmware files. I imagine we could do some pretty cool things if we had that. |
| 12:35.16 | babilen | tokern3: Given these packages seem to target precise I would also recommend to upgrade your squeeze box to wheezy which we will release as stable on Saturday. You can follow <squeeze->weezy> or the instructions in http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 12:46.20 | lukaszk | hello, quick question: how come top in debian is showing human readable memory usage? |
| 12:46.46 | lukaszk | on in other words, how to switch unit detection on other distro? |
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| 12:50.06 | jacobw | lukaszk: I'd `man top` :) |
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| 12:50.28 | lukaszk | jacobw: yeah "rtfm |
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| 12:50.50 | Alamo777 | hello al |
| 12:50.50 | lukaszk | jacobw: ;) but "top -M" doesn't work |
| 12:51.56 | mumpitzel | lukaszk: what makes you think we know anything about how other distros compile their stuff? |
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| 12:52.03 | Alamo777 | mumpitzel, well i upgraded successfully to debian wheezy, install php5-fpm and stuff with php, but now i am having problem with nginx, i install if from nginx reposotory and the version is 1.4, but there is no folder sites-available in nginx folder, what i suppose to do now? |
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| 12:52.32 | mumpitzel | Alamo777: we cannot help you with other people's software. you ask the people you got the software from |
| 12:53.02 | Alamo777 | mumpitzel, should i remove the nginx repo from source.list? |
| 12:53.08 | Alamo777 | and reinstall the nginx agin? |
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| 12:58.51 | Alamo777 | mumpitzel, if i reinstall from debian repo, is there going to appear the sites-available folder and stuff necessary to configure the nginx on debian? |
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| 13:01.23 | Chelsea | Hi all, why is /usr/sbin/sendmail a link to exim? Does anyone know the rationale behind this decision? They are different (mailing) beasts right? |
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| 13:02.55 | abrotman | Chelsea: for sanity |
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| 13:05.36 | Sevet_ | Alamo777: possibly, it's a debian-specific config layout in the debian packages but not in the nginx ones |
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| 13:06.24 | ksk | hey. im using an openbox right here and it has some "application switcher" on the middle mouse button. any idea about what that actually is and how to rebind it? google does not really help without a good search term |
| 13:06.37 | Alamo777 | Sevet_, i just remove nginx and going to install it from debian repo in a minute |
| 13:06.59 | ksk | http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Actions#ShowMenu, nvm. thx |
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| 13:07.05 | deveux | Hi, I'm getting Xorg lockups on Wheezy. When Xorg hangs, the log shows: "mi eq overflowing" and text becomes distorted. This happens since a week ago or so. Is there a known workaround? |
| 13:07.18 | Chelsea | abrotman, bah... don't like converting age-old config files. |
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| 13:07.52 | Dr^Fets | hi all |
| 13:09.38 | Alamo777 | now i install it is 1.2.2 version is it ok? |
| 13:09.44 | abrotman | Chelsea: not sure what one has to do with the other? |
| 13:09.56 | Alamo777 | and sites-available is in there |
| 13:11.42 | Alamo777 | now the file etc/nginx/nginx.conf is empty |
| 13:11.47 | Alamo777 | and nginx doesnt start |
| 13:12.05 | Sevet_ | try purge (not remove) then reinstall |
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| 13:12.17 | Sevet_ | it might have left their config file and not overwritten it |
| 13:12.20 | Alamo777 | what is the command for purge? |
| 13:12.25 | Sevet_ | dpkg -P nginx |
| 13:12.25 | dpkg | Sevet_: are you using Windows? |
| 13:12.31 | Alamo777 | debian |
| 13:12.52 | Sevet_ | Alamo777: ignore dpkg, it's a bot that heard its name mentioned ;) |
| 13:13.22 | Dr^Fets | dpkg --reconfigure? |
| 13:13.23 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Dr^Fets |
| 13:13.39 | Alamo777 | Sevet_, so what is the purge command? |
| 13:13.44 | Dr^Fets | -P |
| 13:13.49 | Dr^Fets | or purge |
| 13:14.06 | Alamo777 | command not found |
| 13:14.15 | Dr^Fets | apt-get purge |
| 13:14.30 | Sevet_ | Alamo777: what i typed... dpkg is the command, -P nginx the parameters |
| 13:14.47 | Dr^Fets | but I would try dpkg --reconfigure nginx |
| 13:14.52 | Sevet_ | i meant ignore what dpkg said about windows, not that part of the command :) |
| 13:14.53 | Alamo777 | ok it with now thanks dr^ |
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| 13:15.18 | Alamo777 | Sevet_, it purged, now i should uninstall nginx and install again? |
| 13:15.27 | Dr^Fets | yes |
| 13:15.41 | Sevet_ | purge is a type of uninstall, just reinstall now |
| 13:15.55 | Dr^Fets | purge removes all the configuration files also |
| 13:16.04 | Alamo777 | Sevet_, ok, let me try it |
| 13:16.19 | Sevet_ | the default is to leave modified config files since you might want those changes if you want to reinstall later |
| 13:16.27 | Alamo777 | super it works |
| 13:16.37 | Chelsea | abrotman, I used sendmail for a long time. After having a new Wheezy install, sendmail is beeing deprecated for exmin. I'd still like to keep my servers as clean as possible (as little apt-get isntall's as possible), so i guess i'll have to reconfigure my config files. |
| 13:16.39 | Alamo777 | i am new to linux world, thank you for your help! |
| 13:17.06 | Dr^Fets | if you want to reconfigure a program |
| 13:17.24 | Dr^Fets | you can try dpkg --reconfigure abcd |
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| 13:17.41 | Dr^Fets | usually you don't need to purge it |
| 13:18.21 | Alamo777 | Dr^Fets, the only one thing is frustrating me now it is the version it is 1.2.2 is it ok? |
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| 13:19.35 | Dr^Fets | oh, I am sorry don't know much about nginx |
| 13:19.57 | Dr^Fets | it'S a web server? |
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| 13:20.03 | Alamo777 | yes |
| 13:20.03 | Sevet_ | yes |
| 13:20.10 | Dr^Fets | only know a bit apache |
| 13:20.25 | Dr^Fets | but I think it should be fine |
| 13:20.27 | Alamo777 | ;cgi.fix_pathinfo = 1 should i change to this cgi.fix_pathinfo = 0 in php.ini? |
| 13:20.36 | Sevet_ | Alamo777: i can't speak specifically, but generally security issues will be patched. you might miss some newer features but it should be good to use security-wise. |
| 13:21.09 | Alamo777 | Sevet_, ok, what about the php.ini? |
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| 13:22.14 | Sevet_ | i haven't used nginx+php, or php in cgi mode so can't answer you on that setting |
| 13:22.55 | Alamo777 | Sevet_, what is the best language to use with nginx? |
| 13:23.15 | Sevet_ | i use apache myself |
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| 13:24.01 | Alamo777 | Sevet_, i am running a form myself on apache and it is giving errors all the time, thats why i thought to give it a try on nginx |
| 13:24.50 | Alamo777 | *forum |
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| 13:25.29 | Alamo777 | Sevet_, do you think nginx is not secure from the point og cookies then apache? |
| 13:26.30 | Raha | hi |
| 13:26.57 | Sevet_ | Alamo777: the errors are probably much more to do with php scripts than web server, and same for the security |
| 13:27.08 | Dr^Fets | :) |
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| 13:28.22 | Sevet_ | also, hard to know without knowing what errors you're getting |
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| 13:42.25 | usrnix | hi is there a way check if any of my hardware won't work with debian gnu/linux? I ask because (it was a while ago now) but i think something is missing drivers and means the installer fails |
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| 13:44.27 | Dr^Fets | you could maybe start a live system |
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| 13:44.41 | babilen | usrnix: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ -- but then: which hardware doens't work? |
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| 13:45.25 | babilen | usrnix: You might simply require firmware ... Which image are you using for the installation and what exactly is not working? |
| 13:45.55 | usrnix | babilen: cant remember unfortunetly, I think my gpu has iffy support but i seem to remember it was a NIC problem but my ethernet is in my mobo :s |
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| 13:46.36 | usrnix | I tried squeeze and wheezy i think, I'm probably going to give it another go at some point but I expect it to fail; i think it says it can't read the media even though im in the installer |
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| 13:47.10 | alazredW | usrnix: you can download the proper firmware put it on a usb stick and restart install the installer will look for it |
| 13:47.21 | earthnative | so does anyone else here happen to run a debian mirror? I'm wondering how likely it is that my disk needs for it will suddenly increase after Wheezy is released? (I'm not expecting it to, but I'm only speculating and don't know what factors I may be overlooking) |
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| 13:48.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell usrnix -about firmware images wheezy |
| 13:48.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell usrnix -about installer firmware |
| 13:48.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell usrnix -about installer firmware wheezy |
| 13:48.40 | babilen | (sorry) |
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| 13:49.25 | babilen | usrnix: Might wnat to try those -- But we really need more details to really be able to help you. (e.g. what is not working, exact hardware information (e.g. what is your GPU) and so on) |
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| 13:50.35 | usrnix | alazred, not sure how to do that, does that involve another usb stick with a linux binary on it? |
| 13:51.03 | usrnix | babilen: yea thanks, if it goes wrong again i'll try figure out what exactly it's going wrong on and have a look |
| 13:51.08 | wolfmitchell | Anyone know how I would get the file name that the pxe server in our network wants us to use? |
| 13:53.30 | babilen | usrnix: You can either use the images with firmware (only netinst and you have to configure it if you want a different DE than Gnome) or provide it during the installation on a USB stick. Download the firmware.tar.gz file and unpack it to the stick and then plug it in when it is requested. (requires you to install from CD IIRC) |
| 13:54.35 | alazredW | usrnix: do as babilen just said. |
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| 13:55.28 | usrnix | ah thanks babilen |
| 13:55.43 | babilen | have fun :) |
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| 14:08.10 | Strogg | I just wanted to say.. you guys rock. :) |
| 14:08.27 | Strogg | wiki.debian.org is full of kickass |
| 14:09.37 | Towzzer | It's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum...and I'm all out of gum. |
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| 14:10.23 | babilen | Strogg: Don't forget to query out bot (and members of this channel) -- There are *some* articles on wiki.d.o that are simply horrible (the nvidia driver one for example) |
| 14:10.30 | babilen | s/out/our |
| 14:10.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell Strogg -about dpkgbot |
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| 14:11.00 | Dr^Fets | dpkg: help |
| 14:11.51 | Strogg | babilen: are you kidding? That's the page I was just reading. it's awesome. |
| 14:12.33 | babilen | No, it is very suboptimal. After reading that page: What is, in your opinion, the recommended procedure to install the drivers and how do you configure Xorg to use them? |
| 14:12.33 | stojic | the NVIDIA page also worked for me, it's a bit comprehensive but seems fine otherwise |
| 14:12.41 | Strogg | 1) it can't be made to work with your card. use nouveau. 2) Here's how to install nouveau. 3) here's how to configure X. 4) working video! |
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| 14:13.12 | Towzzer | I have a message for thechef |
| 14:13.17 | Towzzer | thepuppet is looking for you |
| 14:13.24 | Strogg | babilen: if you need 3d hardware accel, use the proprietary driver, else use nouveau |
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| 14:14.07 | babilen | Strogg: Yes, but how do you install the proprietary driver? What is the recommended method these days? (I'm simply curious - I know the answer, but as we are discussing the article ...) |
| 14:14.35 | stojic | I think I got the impression it was the module-assistant way |
| 14:14.43 | babilen | wrong :) |
| 14:14.43 | Strogg | babilen: I got down as "It's basically impossible to run this legacy card on Wheezy or newer" |
| 14:14.50 | stojic | ehh ;-) |
| 14:14.51 | Strogg | s/as/as far as/ |
| 14:15.07 | babilen | okay, lets see about that. What is the card? May I see the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" ? |
| 14:15.13 | Strogg | which was as clear an answer as I could hope for. hehe |
| 14:15.24 | Strogg | babilen: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV37GL [Quadro PCI-E Series] (rev a2) |
| 14:15.47 | babilen | that is not the "lspci -nn" output (I was after the PCIID of the card) |
| 14:15.52 | Strogg | babilen: it's a Quadro card supported by the 173.14.30 legacy pack |
| 14:16.16 | babilen | So, it is support, but you simply need the 173 legacy driver? May I double check that? |
| 14:16.24 | babilen | *supported |
| 14:16.38 | Strogg | babilen: it's supported if I'm using the old ABI |
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| 14:16.49 | Strogg | but since I updated to wheezy, it's not supported any more. |
| 14:17.05 | Strogg | notes all this info is on the "horrible" page. :) |
| 14:17.24 | babilen | okay, you really don't want to give me that info? |
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| 14:17.38 | Alamo777 | i a, having problems with totally removing nginx from my system, what should i do? |
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| 14:17.46 | Alamo777 | babilen, how are you? |
| 14:17.53 | babilen | Alamo777: I'm fine, thanks |
| 14:17.54 | Strogg | ahh.. -nn. one sec |
| 14:18.11 | Strogg | babilen: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation NV37GL [Quadro PCI-E Series] [10de:00fd] (rev a2) |
| 14:18.12 | Alamo777 | babilen, could you tell me how i can totally remove nginx to install it again |
| 14:18.18 | babilen | Strogg: Thanks |
| 14:18.59 | Alamo777 | when i remove the folder /etc/nginx with empty file nginx.conf and folder sites-enabled stays |
| 14:19.01 | Strogg | pciid should be in the default view.. that's what everyone wants to see anyway when they run lspci |
| 14:19.15 | Alamo777 | how i can be sure nginx is removed compleately from debian system? |
| 14:19.24 | babilen | Strogg: You can install the 173 driver just fine on wheezy and it does indeed support your card. (cf. ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/304.64/README/README.txt) |
| 14:19.34 | Dr^Fets | apt-get purge nginx |
| 14:19.52 | Alamo777 | when i remove with purge nginx the folder /etc/nginx with empty file nginx.conf and folder sites-enabled stays |
| 14:19.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell Strogg about nvidia dkms-173xx wheezy |
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| 14:20.21 | babilen | Strogg: The bot just sent you instructions on how to install *and* configure the driver. :) |
| 14:20.31 | Alamo777 | Dr^Fets, any ideas how i can remove all that stuff? |
| 14:20.33 | Strogg | babilen: I had all that working. when I upgraded, it all broke. |
| 14:20.43 | babilen | Alamo777: Yes, purge the package and don't remove it |
| 14:20.44 | Strogg | If there's something "broken", then it's with debian.. not the wiki |
| 14:20.45 | wolfmitchell | How would I force all connections through a proxy? |
| 14:21.02 | babilen | Strogg: Did you use the DKMS packages with a minimal configuration before the upgrade? |
| 14:21.05 | Alamo777 | babilen, when i install it again the /etc/nginx/nginx.conf file come empty:( |
| 14:21.09 | Strogg | Anyway.. it's all working now. I'm not going to screw with it. |
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| 14:21.22 | babilen | Strogg: How did *you* install it this time around? |
| 14:21.26 | Strogg | I just came to tell you guys thanks for making the page. not to get involved in politics |
| 14:21.41 | Strogg | laters |
| 14:21.52 | babilen | Strogg: No, I am sincerely curious about users who use that page because its existence causes us in here a lot of headache. |
| 14:22.04 | Dr^Fets | usually purge should remove all config files |
| 14:22.06 | Alamo777 | i am having difficulties with installing nginx, it doesnt work and the /etc/nginx/nginx.conf file i empty:( |
| 14:22.08 | babilen | Strogg: Please, how did you install the driver this time around? |
| 14:22.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell Alamo777 -about purge |
| 14:22.15 | Alamo777 | Dr^Fets, it doesnt |
| 14:22.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell Alamo777 -about confnew |
| 14:22.29 | Strogg | babilen: I followed the nouveau instructions |
| 14:22.56 | Dr^Fets | http://wiki.nginx.org/Configuration |
| 14:22.57 | babilen | Strogg: Oh, so you opted not to install the proprietary 173 legacy driver because you believed that it wasn't supported on wheezy? |
| 14:23.03 | Strogg | finds the page he was reading |
| 14:23.10 | Dr^Fets | there full examples also |
| 14:23.22 | babilen | Alamo777: You installed nginx from some random third party repository, didn't you? |
| 14:24.34 | Strogg | babilen: I was reading this page ( http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers ), and I got down to "It is basically impossible to use the nvidia driver on cards no longer supported after 71xx on a current Debian suite." |
| 14:24.53 | Strogg | babilen: Then I read that nouveau was considered stable in Wheezy, so I opted to try Nouveau |
| 14:25.03 | babilen | Strogg: The problem with that page is that it discusses /every known method/ to install the driver even though half of these methods are neither not needed or outdated. It is also very hard for people to figure out that the recommended method is to use the DKMS packages and many end up with module-assistant and so on ... |
| 14:25.04 | Alamo777 | babilen, no i did it last time but then i remove it and install from wheezy |
| 14:25.10 | Strogg | wonders if glx is working again |
| 14:25.29 | Alamo777 | i tried that feature with aptitude purge, but the conf files are still there |
| 14:25.31 | babilen | Strogg: Well, 173 is packaged in wheezy and ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/304.64/README/README.txt lists your card as being supported. |
| 14:25.33 | deepy | glxgears |
| 14:25.45 | Alamo777 | babilen, i really dont know how to remove this nginx from my system |
| 14:26.08 | babilen | Alamo777: nginx is not a single package and the configuration files are, most likely, not in the nginx package itself. |
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| 14:26.22 | stojic | babilen: for what it's worth, I used the module-assistant method most likely because it was listed first (and I also remembered using it successfully in the past) |
| 14:26.24 | rweitz | hello. how do i get to add vpn connections in debian? have just installed and connect to my wireless fine. but when i goto the vpn tab, it says plugins are not installed. what do i need to install? |
| 14:26.26 | Strogg | babilen: noted... I have it working now though, so I'm unlikely to change it. thanks though |
| 14:26.31 | babilen | judd: file /etc/nginx |
| 14:26.35 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 14:26.52 | Alamo777 | babilen, what i need to do now to remove it and install again? |
| 14:27.03 | babilen | judd: file /etc/nginx/nginx.conf |
| 14:27.08 | judd | Search for /etc/nginx/nginx.conf in squeeze/i386: nginx: etc/nginx/nginx.conf |
| 14:27.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell Alamo777 -about apt-file |
| 14:28.18 | babilen | Alamo777: In general: One approach would be to purge /every/ installed nginx package and then simply reinstall it. (aptitude purge ~i~n^nginx ; apt-get install nginx) -- You could also reinstall the nginx-common package with the confnew/confmiss options for dpkg (/msg dpkg confnew ; /msg dpkg confmiss) |
| 14:28.39 | babilen | judd: file /etc/nginx/nginx.conf --release wheezy |
| 14:28.45 | judd | Search for /etc/nginx/nginx.conf in wheezy/i386: nginx-common: etc/nginx/nginx.conf |
| 14:28.54 | babilen | Alamo777: In case you are on wheezy ^^ |
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| 14:30.08 | Towzzer | what does the ~i~n^ do? |
| 14:30.16 | Towzzer | can't you do apt-get purge *nginx |
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| 14:30.37 | babilen | Towzzer: ~i == installed packages, ~n match in name, ^ == beginning of line (or rather name in this case) |
| 14:30.43 | Alamo777 | super aptitude purge ~i~n^nginx removed that stuff thansk babilen |
| 14:30.51 | babilen | Alamo777: You are welcome |
| 14:30.55 | themill | Towzzer: perhaps you should try that command and see |
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| 14:43.57 | Alamo777 | babilen, another question now how i can upgrade it to 1.4 currently it is 1.2.2? |
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| 14:48.41 | ironmunk | does anyone have an suggestions as to why I can't install certain packages, I get 'has no installation candiate' details here http://pastebin.com/s4hgzRpy |
| 14:49.06 | ironmunk | I can find the package in the lists and I can't see problems with my sources.list |
| 14:50.20 | themill | ironmunk: what happens if you run "apt-get update"? |
| 14:50.28 | ironmunk | complete's fine |
| 14:50.34 | ironmunk | I can give you the output |
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| 14:50.58 | ironmunk | hmm |
| 14:51.00 | themill | and does trying to install then work? |
| 14:51.18 | ironmunk | wonder if it's my preferences |
| 14:51.33 | ironmunk | I installed something from sid |
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| 14:51.50 | ironmunk | and have my preferences like this: http://pastebin.com/npLBbDXR |
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| 14:52.15 | ironmunk | that should prioritise wheezy packages over anything else? |
| 14:52.32 | themill | ironmunk: -10 sounds like a bad idea. What's the output of apt-cache policy puppet |
| 14:53.07 | ironmunk | ah -10 |
| 14:53.19 | ironmunk | why wouldn't the preference for wheezy override that? |
| 14:54.18 | ironmunk | was following this http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 14:54.21 | themill | it should be n=wheezy not a=wheezy |
| 14:55.04 | ironmunk | typo in the "Notes from JoshuaRodman" bit? |
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| 14:55.33 | themill | no |
| 14:55.52 | ironmunk | is testing different then? |
| 14:56.19 | themill | a=testing would also work, but given that you have wheezy in your sources.list not testing, you should pin "wheezy" not "testing". |
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| 14:56.59 | ironmunk | ok |
| 14:57.02 | themill | adds that page to the list of wiki pages he doesn't like |
| 14:57.18 | ironmunk | ok |
| 14:57.23 | ironmunk | so what's the difference between a= and n= ? |
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| 14:58.12 | themill | they are different fields in the Release file on the mirror |
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| 14:58.38 | ironmunk | goes to have a gander at the Release file |
| 14:59.03 | themill | Suite (aka archive) vs Codename (aka name) |
| 14:59.25 | themill | If in doubt, consult the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 14:59.39 | babilen | Alamo777: 1.4 has not yet been packaged and I would stronyly recommend to wait for /after/ the release |
| 14:59.56 | Alamo777 | babilen, ok! |
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| 15:01.30 | ironmunk | cheers themill, apt-cache policy has been added to my tool kit |
| 15:01.42 | babilen | Alamo777: It will make its way into unstable and then testing and (maybe) into wheezy-backports eventually. |
| 15:02.08 | Alamo777 | babilen, is 1.2.2 ok? |
| 15:02.21 | babilen | why shouldn't it? |
| 15:02.22 | themill | ironmunk: yeah, "apt-cache policy packagename; apt-cache policy" tells you all |
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| 15:03.06 | Sevet_ | Alamo777: didn't you already ask that earlier and get answered? |
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| 15:03.48 | Alamo777 | Sevet_, yes? I thought i was asking in nginx channel:) |
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| 15:20.36 | soomsoom | remide no |
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| 15:28.36 | tatiane | Hi |
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| 15:30.44 | phox | hey. is there a recommended way to do a remote reinstall? I -do- have remote KVM, I just can't go shove a flash drive into the box... |
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| 15:31.50 | jhutchins_wk | phox: So what's on the box now? |
| 15:32.09 | mumpitzel | phox: some form of deboostrap usually |
| 15:32.24 | phox | jhutchins_wk: older debian |
| 15:32.31 | phox | need a clean install for various reasons |
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| 15:33.04 | jhutchins_wk | debbootstrap installs to a chroot, you can then boot to it and remove the old install. |
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| 15:33.26 | phox | wouldn't that involve having a separate partition? |
| 15:33.37 | jhutchins_wk | phox: Not necessarily. Is that a problem? |
| 15:33.45 | phox | it's messy. |
| 15:33.52 | phox | messy is not good. this is a production machine. |
| 15:34.16 | phox | trying to picture how one would reboot into a chroot and have that be root o.O |
| 15:34.27 | jhutchins_wk | phox: The cannonical method for a production machine is a new clean build on a different machine. |
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| 15:34.39 | jhutchins_wk | root=/new/root |
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| 15:35.57 | phox | still not clear on how one juggles everything back to the actual root of the FS |
| 15:36.06 | phox | hm |
| 15:36.18 | phox | wonder if I can abuse GRUB's image boot thing to boot a netinstall image |
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| 15:37.56 | jhutchins_wk | phox: I would suggest messing with debbootstrap on a test machine, see what it does and how you could use it. |
| 15:38.21 | phox | hm. I'll look into it. |
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| 15:51.08 | AchN30 | hi |
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| 15:52.48 | Towzzer | hi |
| 15:52.53 | AchN30 | I need some help here, i'm a new (linux (debian)) user... |
| 15:53.06 | Towzzer | you are new to both linux and debian |
| 15:53.14 | AchN30 | i hav deinstall some packages one of the th internet manager |
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| 15:54.08 | AchN30 | i cant recover them :( offline |
| 15:54.15 | AchN30 | is there a way |
| 15:54.19 | Towzzer | recover what? |
| 15:54.40 | AchN30 | the deleted packages |
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| 15:55.04 | Towzzer | you don't have access to the internet? |
| 15:55.11 | AchN30 | yes |
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| 15:55.17 | Towzzer | can you get access? |
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| 15:55.49 | AchN30 | nop i deinstal the network manager |
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| 15:55.56 | Towzzer | what is deinstal |
| 15:55.57 | Towzzer | oh |
| 15:56.00 | Towzzer | you de-installed |
| 15:56.12 | Towzzer | ok, you can connect to the internet without the network-manager |
| 15:56.14 | jhutchins_wk | AchN30: You can connect manually from the console. |
| 15:56.25 | AchN30 | yes, ihave one interface 'lo' |
| 15:56.26 | jhutchins_wk | AchN30: What kind of connection? |
| 15:56.46 | AchN30 | i have both cable and wireless |
| 15:57.03 | jhutchins_wk | does ifconfig -a show eth0? |
| 15:57.08 | AchN30 | no :( |
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| 15:57.20 | jhutchins_wk | AchN30: Not just ifconfig |
| 15:57.28 | jhutchins_wk | AchN30: What does it show/ |
| 15:57.29 | jhutchins_wk | ? |
| 15:57.35 | AchN30 | yes it show |
| 15:57.44 | AchN30 | eth0 |
| 15:57.57 | AchN30 | also wlan0 |
| 15:59.24 | jhutchins_wk | AchN30: You haven't told us what kind of connection you have, but ifconfig eth0 up;dhclient eth0 should get you connection. |
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| 16:01.34 | AchN30 | thank you ^_^ ... it was down ^_^ |
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| 16:23.23 | unkmar | where am I going wrong with this command? adduser -k /skel username |
| 16:23.53 | well_laid_lawn | maybe try /etc/skel ? |
| 16:23.56 | unkmar | keeps telling me Unknown option k |
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| 16:24.07 | well_laid_lawn | well there you go then |
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| 16:24.36 | rVn | why u use -k? |
| 16:24.40 | zykotick9 | man adduser doesn't have any / results for -k... adduser should copy /etc/skel by default |
| 16:25.09 | unkmar | because I'm not using the the /etc/skel folder. I guess I could symlink. |
| 16:25.38 | zykotick9 | unkmar: fyi, adduser and useradd are different programs ;) useradd has -k |
| 16:27.08 | unkmar | zykotick9: the adduser useradd thing I know. the -k not being adduser was news to me. :9 |
| 16:27.37 | unkmar | IRC, adduser is a wrapper to useradd |
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| 16:30.43 | Cheiseun | Is the way to set my computer's FQDN to put it in hosts file? |
| 16:32.10 | unkmar | http://greenmang0.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/how-to-set-fqdn-fully-qualified-domain-name-on-debian-system/ |
| 16:32.13 | unkmar | Cheiseun: |
| 16:32.18 | owa | http://library.linode.com/getting-started#sph_setting-the-hostname |
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| 16:36.54 | Cheiseun | Okay I wanted to confirm if that was the only place I needed it in. |
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| 16:38.00 | Cheiseun | Can my computer have more than one FQDN? |
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| 16:38.34 | Cheiseun | I want to know what I do if there are multiple FQDNs that refer to my computer, I don't know how I pick just one. |
| 16:39.01 | Cylta | Hello. I'm having troubles with compilling linux driver. I need "#include <linux/module.h>#include <linux/module.h>", but linux-headers are already installed. What else do I need? |
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| 16:42.31 | i4c | any of u have any suggestion for apps that sync files between several partitions and harddrives, flashdrives ? |
| 16:42.43 | jhutchins_wk | Cheiseun: The system itself has one FQDN. You can address different services on the same system with different hostnames, the alternate hostnames are configured in the service (and whatever is used for DNS). |
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| 16:43.34 | jhutchins_wk | i4c: rsync |
| 16:44.07 | jhutchins_wk | Cylta: You're asking for a generic answer to a specific problem. |
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| 16:44.24 | jhutchins_wk | Cylta: Tell us what driver, where you got the source, and what error you're getting. |
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| 16:45.12 | Cylta | jhutchins_wk: Linux mo-n1 2.6.38-8-generic-pae #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 05:17:09 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux, http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~baker/devices/lxr/http/source/linux/arch/arm/plat-mxc/pwm.c // no errors, I just want to compile this source code. But system can't find includes. |
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| 16:46.51 | Cylta | jhutchins_wk: my version of kernel is not exactly the same, but very close to this driver's version of kernel. |
| 16:46.55 | FrenchNels | hi Debian's community ! |
| 16:47.05 | FrenchNels | I start with a question |
| 16:47.22 | FrenchNels | I'm gonna compile php by myself |
| 16:47.39 | FrenchNels | And i'm quite confused with all the options that I can use with my ./configure script |
| 16:48.10 | FrenchNels | I'd like to know if it's possible to know all the default options used, if I just run ./configure |
| 16:48.20 | FrenchNels | This I can trick a bit on thoses |
| 16:48.45 | well_laid_lawn | try ./configure --help |
| 16:48.59 | FrenchNels | yes, but then i have the list of all options available |
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| 16:49.52 | well_laid_lawn | if you read carefully it should show what's default |
| 16:50.25 | FrenchNels | hmm yes it does between the [] chars |
| 16:50.33 | FrenchNels | hmm ok thank you |
| 16:50.43 | well_laid_lawn | cheers |
| 16:51.10 | FrenchNels | i knew that, i'm just not very clear with my english, but thank you |
| 16:52.03 | FrenchNels | what i wanted to know, is, is there a way to skip reading all the ./configure --help and just have the ./configure real command launched when I do ./configure without args |
| 16:52.20 | FrenchNels | I mean it's like ./configure --this --that --thoses by default |
| 16:52.32 | FrenchNels | do you know if I can get the full default line ? |
| 16:53.34 | well_laid_lawn | not offhand, no |
| 16:53.51 | i4c | jhutchins_wk: know any gui ones ? |
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| 16:54.00 | FrenchNels | well, cheers :) |
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| 16:59.23 | jhutchins_wk | i4c: Nope, I'm a CLI guy. |
| 17:00.05 | jhutchins_wk | FrenchNels: If you don't know what the options are and what they do, why are you compiling it yourself? Besides which, you should be building packages, not just compiling. |
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| 17:01.11 | zykotick9 | i4c: i've never used it but there is: grsync - GTK+ frontend for rsync |
| 17:01.35 | FrenchNels | jhutchins_wk: hello, i'm trying to learn, and yes, i know some of the options, but i'm always scared to do a mistake, i just want the php-cli, and i know there's a package for php-cli, but i want to learn everything about unix, i'm working in a VM actually :) |
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| 17:02.05 | FrenchNels | i already did a successful apache / php compilation domes times ago |
| 17:02.25 | FrenchNels | and I don't know how to make a package, i'm now a possessor of debian's handbook, i will know that soon so |
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| 17:03.31 | i4c | jhutchins_wk: zykotick9 can i sync a folder between all my distros 2, a partition,external hard drive and a flash drive ? i don't mind using rsync if grsync doesn't have that option |
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| 17:03.51 | FrenchNels | and that's interesting, because what I don't like about just compiling and installing by the sources, is that's I don't know how to remove the stuffs after, and I think that's why packages are good, to have a fully maintainable installation |
| 17:04.00 | zykotick9 | i4c: yes, rsync if very versitile |
| 17:05.18 | i4c | good to know, one more question if you do not mind and thank you for the help, how does it sync, last modified ? is there any truncated-file proof or damaged file proof ? |
| 17:05.36 | zykotick9 | i4c: you also might want to investigate unison (also not somthing i've used myself, i really on rsync from terminal) |
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| 17:06.33 | zykotick9 | i4c: rsync does binary comparisons of files, and updates based on newest. it has a LOT of options! careful if you use the "delete" stuff, i've made a couple mistakes with that... |
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| 17:09.48 | jhutchins_wk | !dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:09.48 | dpkg | methinks dpkg-buildpackage is a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. "aptitude install fakeroot devscripts dpkg-dev build-essential" and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. Ask me about <package recompile> <debian/rules> <source>. |
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| 17:11.04 | likeRfoxl | I'm getting conflicting opinions of whether I should set my FQDN with my external IP, or the loopback address... |
| 17:11.32 | FrenchNels | jhutchins_wk: thanks |
| 17:11.44 | well_laid_lawn | likeRfoxl: probably depends on how you want to use it |
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| 17:13.12 | Towzzer | likefoxl, the loop back |
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| 17:13.38 | Towzzer | is what I always do, you mean in hosts right? |
| 17:13.46 | likeRfoxl | well_laid_lawn: I don't even know, I'm given the impression that it is important for some reason. And I'm setting up postfix to be an internet mail server. |
| 17:13.54 | likeRfoxl | Towzzer: Yes, in hosts |
| 17:14.51 | Towzzer | if you set it to the local ip it doesnt' leave the machine anyway |
| 17:14.54 | Towzzer | since you have that ip locally |
| 17:15.01 | Towzzer | right ? |
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| 17:15.30 | Towzzer | unless you have a nat device |
| 17:15.54 | jhutchins_wk | likeRfoxl: Setting the hostname doesn't require an IP. |
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| 17:16.14 | jhutchins_wk | likeRfoxl: In hosts you generally just use localhost for 127.0.0.1 |
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| 17:16.51 | jhutchins_wk | likeRfoxl: You can also add your FQDN and shortname to the loopback address. |
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| 17:17.18 | Towzzer | the only time it matters if you do your public ip is if you are behind a nat, then resolving the hostname goes to the nat |
| 17:17.21 | Towzzer | that's bad |
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| 17:17.32 | jhutchins_wk | likeRfoxl: Anything other than that depends on what you're running and what your environment is. |
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| 17:18.42 | likeRfoxl | Okay, adding to the FQDN to the loopback address is what I was talking about |
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| 17:20.28 | piergiorgio | hello |
| 17:20.30 | likeRfoxl | Does system mail go to the location specified in /etc/mailname? |
| 17:20.37 | piergiorgio | !list |
| 17:20.37 | dpkg | piergiorgio: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 17:21.35 | Alamo777 | is it safe to install debian and encrypt the whole system with truecrypt? |
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| 17:23.15 | nipsy | Any reason you wouldn't use the native LUKS encryption? |
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| 17:23.56 | Alamo777 | nipsy, what is LUKS? i never use that |
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| 17:25.17 | i4c | would would be the best way to partition my harddrive so that i can install, debian stable, testing, unstable and 200GB partition for data ? i have a total of 500 GB on my hd |
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| 17:26.43 | nipsy | Alamo777: It's the Linux native encryption. It should be an option during installation. |
| 17:27.50 | Alamo777 | nipsy, no i never see anything like, does it ecrypts all the system? and noone can see it even if have a physical access to it? |
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| 17:28.22 | nipsy | Alamo777: Basically. |
| 17:28.51 | Alamo777 | what you mean basically? |
| 17:29.23 | nipsy | All of those full disk encryption schemes have various attacks which can work against them. But let's just say that the average person won't be able to access anything on your computer. |
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| 17:33.22 | nipsy | Alamo777: Just keep in mind that full disk encryption doesn't imply you are 100% protected if someone has physical access to your machine. |
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| 17:34.11 | Alamo777 | nipsy, thats why i ask if anyone use truecrypt, because it has that feature, i want it to be encrypted all the time, and only be could have access to it remotely |
| 17:34.17 | Alamo777 | nipsy, is that possible? |
| 17:35.05 | nipsy | It's the same concept. What is stored on disk is encrypted, all the time. |
| 17:35.21 | nipsy | But neither one is a guarantee of protection. |
| 17:35.24 | Alamo777 | nipsy, so with physical access they cant see anythig right? |
| 17:35.52 | nipsy | If it isn't a government, then most likely, yes. |
| 17:36.01 | RainbowW | the only perfect security is to shut off the machine. however, that isn't very useful. if i have physical access and enough time, i can eventually do anything i want, even if it's just steal the box and run away with it. |
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| 17:36.42 | Alamo777 | nipsy, if i run a website on encrypted linux machine, can someone who have physical access see what is inside going on? |
| 17:37.05 | nipsy | Couldn't they just visit the site to see what is going on? |
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| 17:37.32 | Alamo777 | nipsy, yes i understand but what if you have some DB records that you want to be processed only from inside and because of you noone coud see right? |
| 17:37.53 | nipsy | Anyway, the short answer is to use LUKS/dm-crypt because it's supported by the Debian installer. If you want to use TrueCrypt, you're most likely on your own as far as support. |
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| 17:38.44 | nipsy | Or check over in #truecrypt if anyone wants to help you with it. |
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| 17:39.14 | Alamo777 | nipsy, i understand that, but i am interested specifically in website running onencrypted linux machine and dont want that people who have phisical access see what is in that server going on,rather it is trucript or LUKS |
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| 17:40.01 | RainbowW | then run it headless. |
| 17:40.07 | Alamo777 | RandomSort, what is headless? |
| 17:40.17 | RainbowW | without a monitor. |
| 17:40.27 | mumpitzel | RainbowW: won't help |
| 17:40.44 | mumpitzel | anyone in the datacenter will still be able to see if they want |
| 17:40.55 | Alamo777 | RainbowW, what if i hire a VPS and run that linux there? Am i proteced from hosting company? |
| 17:41.12 | Alamo777 | mumpitzel, how they can see that? |
| 17:41.17 | Alamo777 | if it is encrypted? |
| 17:41.18 | nipsy | Alamo777: They have physical access. Can they get access to the contents of your drive? Yes, if they are willing to freeze the memory immediately after shutting the machine down and read the encryption key back so they can subsequently decrypt the contents of your drive(s). But this is true regardless of encryption system. |
| 17:41.27 | RainbowW | you can never have complete protection from someone with physical access to your machine, especially if they have a lot of time. |
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| 17:41.42 | Alamo777 | RainbowW, what you mean? |
| 17:41.43 | nipsy | Alamo777: Will they go that extent just to see what you're doing? Beats me. Depends on how illegal it is I guess. |
| 17:42.00 | Alamo777 | mumpitzel, even if it is encrypted? they can see what is inside the hard drive? |
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| 17:42.29 | Alamo777 | nipsy, it is not about illegal, i am just curious |
| 17:43.05 | Alamo777 | mumpitzel, you say they can freeze and see at that particular moment what is going on, but they cant see the full content of the hard drive right? |
| 17:43.30 | nipsy | Alamo777: Well, the short answer is no, they won't easily be able to see what you're doing. But since they have physical access, they can also hook something into the BIOS or alter your /boot partition to grab your passphraase as you type it when you boot the machine each time. |
| 17:43.57 | Alamo777 | nipsy, doesnt it illegal? |
| 17:44.21 | nipsy | Alamo777: Depends on locale probably and whether there is cause to do so. |
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| 17:44.46 | nipsy | The point we're all trying to make is that you can't assume you are 100% protected even if you encrypt something. |
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| 17:45.04 | Alamo777 | nipsy, even if i use ssh or vpn they can see my root password? |
| 17:45.26 | Alamo777 | vpn i mean vpn server inside that machine |
| 17:45.40 | Alamo777 | connect with vpn to server and root |
| 17:45.46 | nipsy | No, they wouldn't be able to see your root password over SSH assuming they aren't performing some elaborate man in the middle attack against you. |
| 17:45.53 | Trewas | Alamo777: one thing is where the encryption key is stored, if that is a remote computer how do you input the password when it boots up? |
| 17:46.44 | nipsy | Trewas: I think the only way it would work for him would be to not encrypt the base system and only encrypt /home or something. |
| 17:47.29 | Alamo777 | nipsy, there are no tools to identify a mim attack? |
| 17:48.12 | Alamo777 | nipsy, yes that is another option as well and if the traffic is SSL of webserver noone can see what is going on ever right? |
| 17:48.23 | nipsy | Alamo777: This is all rather off topic for #debian. I believe there is a #netsec if you want to talk to people more about the multitude of ways someone could compromise your system. |
| 17:48.27 | likeRfoxl | lol I updated /etc/hostname and then I was unable to open terminals in gnome anymore |
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| 17:49.09 | Alamo777 | nipsy, thank you dear nipsy but debian and aa couple more channels are the most good once here, because others are 100% trolls sitting there and trolling you, i love this channel very good cultural place, thats for everyone for helping me!!! |
| 17:49.33 | well_laid_lawn | likeRfoxl: you need to run hostname as well |
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| 17:51.57 | ^7heo | hey people |
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| 17:52.09 | likeRfoxl | well_laid_lawn: I couldn't open a terminal. But it's okay, I restarted my system. |
| 17:52.13 | ^7heo | I just installed debian with debootstrap + chroot on a machine |
| 17:52.19 | ^7heo | I am installing grub2 |
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| 17:52.25 | ^7heo | I am using LVM |
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| 17:52.45 | ^7heo | should I put grub in the physical disk or on the lvm logical volume? |
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| 17:53.38 | ^7heo | so, now that the netsplit seems over |
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| 17:53.39 | ^7heo | should I put grub in the physical disk or on the lvm logical volume? |
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| 17:54.30 | ^7heo | okay the netsplit wasn't really over. |
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| 17:57.53 | ^7heo | so now that everyone seems to be really here: |
| 17:57.59 | ^7heo | I just installed debian with debootstrap + chroot on a machine, I am using LVM; and I would like to install grub2. should I put grub on the physical disk or on the lvm logical volume? |
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| 17:59.29 | jhutchins_wk | ^7heo: Physical device. |
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| 18:00.07 | debdeb | hi |
| 18:00.12 | ^7heo | jhutchins_wk: thanks so much |
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| 18:00.23 | debdeb | need some help in calculation in a bash-script |
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| 18:01.44 | debdeb | i have a variable in which is: "05"... now i want so subtract 1... so that it is "04"... but only put the "0" in front, if its <10 |
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| 18:03.01 | debdeb | MONTHCOPY=$((${MONTHNOW}-2)) gives a "3" not a "03"... MONTHNOW is "05" |
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| 18:04.54 | debdeb | hmmm... ok... i could add: if MONTHCOPY < 10 then MONTHCOPY="0${MONTHCOPY} |
| 18:05.01 | debdeb | but that sounds ugly |
| 18:05.02 | moetunes | try [ MONTHCOPY -lt 10 ] && MONTHCOPY='0$MONTHCOPY' |
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| 18:05.28 | moetunes | it's bash so it looks ugly sometimes |
| 18:05.43 | debdeb | oki thanks a lot |
| 18:05.55 | moetunes | cheers |
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| 18:14.08 | debdeb | i dont see the error: |
| 18:14.10 | debdeb | MONTHCOPY=[ MONTHCOPY -lt 10 ] && MONTHCOPY='0$MONTHCOPY' |
| 18:14.36 | debdeb | MONTHCOPY: command not found |
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| 18:16.57 | GrayMagiker | Recently I have been noticing graphics issues with squeeze and xfce. Gui/desktop freezing and programs not refreshing display (has happened with evience and iceweasel). I upgraded nvidia drivers from their website, but problems persist. Any ideas of what logs to start looking in? I have been using linux on the desktop for 5+ years but am still a newbie to advanced system configuration. Thanks in advance. |
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| 18:18.54 | zykotick9 | GrayMagiker: just for your own personal information, you might want to see "/msg dpkg why nvidia installer sucks" for an explanation on why using there driver isn't a great idea. good luck with your "real" problem, i have no suggestions ;) |
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| 18:19.42 | GrayMagiker | Thanks for the tip zykotick9, checking now. |
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| 18:20.35 | debdeb | moetunes: may you help once more, please |
| 18:20.40 | debdeb | i dont get it |
| 18:20.59 | debdeb | MONTHCOPY=[ MONTHCOPY -lt 10 ] && MONTHCOPY='0$MONTHCOPY' |
| 18:21.02 | debdeb | MONTHCOPY: command not found |
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| 18:22.10 | debdeb | [ MONTHCOPY -lt 10 ] && MONTHCOPY='0$MONTHCOPY' |
| 18:22.25 | debdeb | alone is: [: MONTHCOPY: integer expression expected |
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| 18:22.26 | moetunes | try [ $MONTHCOPY -lt 10 ] && MONTHCOPY='0$MONTHCOPY' |
| 18:22.35 | moetunes | oops forgot a $ |
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| 18:23.35 | debdeb | [ $MONTHCOPY -lt 10 ] && MONTHCOPY=0$MONTHCOPY |
| 18:23.39 | debdeb | thats it |
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| 18:23.50 | debdeb | and the ' where bad |
| 18:25.17 | GrayMagiker | Ok, so the nvidia installer sucks. How do I find out which packages I need. And how do I switch over if I have already made the mistake of using the nvidia installer and not the debian packages? (sorry for the basic questions, if there is a place where these are answered please refer me there) |
| 18:27.18 | zykotick9 | GrayMagiker: i have NO idea how to remove the nvidia.com driver (does it have an uninstall perhaps? i'd check there documentation for removal). to use the debian method, see "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms squeeze" or wheezy if that's what you are using. |
| 18:28.04 | GrayMagiker | thanks again zykotick9 |
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| 18:32.37 | debdeb | ok... common... i am near to do this with sed |
| 18:32.48 | zykotick9 | GrayMagiker: fyi, there appears to be a #nvidia channel here on freenode, if you run into issues you might be able to ask there? good luck. |
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| 18:33.37 | GrayMagiker | Sweet. Seems like I should head there for now. (don't know if the nvidia installer is causing the issues, but it also seems like something that should be corrected). |
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| 18:34.07 | zykotick9 | using the debian-method is certainly preferred in #debian ;) |
| 18:34.39 | stojic | debdeb: you could also use printf, as in M=$(printf "%02d" $((${M}-2))) |
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| 18:35.49 | stojic | debdeb: um, or not, that fails as well |
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| 18:37.16 | debdeb | first: MONTHNOW=02 ; MC=$((${MONTHNOW}-2)) ; [ $MC -lt 10 ] && MC=0$MC ; echo "MONTHCOPY: ${MC}" |
| 18:37.24 | debdeb | should give 12... not 00 |
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| 18:38.41 | debdeb | next: MONTHNOW=08 ; MC=$((${MONTHNOW}-2)) ; [ $MC -lt 10 ] && MC=0$MC ; echo "MONTHCOPY: ${MC}" |
| 18:38.54 | debdeb | gives bash: 08: value too great for base (error token is "08") |
| 18:39.21 | debdeb | should give: 06 |
| 18:40.11 | debdeb | that it doesnt know that i use months... is ok... for the first.. but what is wrong with the second? |
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| 18:40.51 | stojic | debdeb: it thinks it's an octal value, and 8 is not an octal digit |
| 18:41.08 | debdeb | argh |
| 18:41.23 | debdeb | ok, how could i solve that? |
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| 18:41.53 | debdeb | really... i do it with 12* if... then... soon |
| 18:43.22 | debdeb | that will give an ugly... ultra-ugly- skript ;-) |
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| 18:46.07 | debdeb | or another aproach... how do you calculate with months? for example monthA=1... monthB=$monthA-3... should give for monthB: 10 |
| 18:46.09 | jelly-home | debdeb: what's the actual goal? |
| 18:46.56 | debdeb | jelly-home: bash-script |
| 18:47.12 | jelly-home | debdeb: what is the script supposed to do? |
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| 18:47.39 | debdeb | i have filenames like: duplicity-inc.20130423T154007Z.to.20130424T043436Z.vol1.difftar.gz |
| 18:48.07 | debdeb | its the "04" in "20130424T043436Z" |
| 18:48.16 | jelly-home | what about it? |
| 18:48.29 | debdeb | i want to copy all files with 04 for that and 04-2 |
| 18:48.43 | debdeb | oh and 04-1 |
| 18:49.12 | debdeb | or better... all files with month-names now and -2 months |
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| 18:49.26 | jelly-home | debdeb: can you say that in words, like "all files for the current month" or "all files for the last three months"? |
| 18:49.47 | jelly-home | don't say HOW you're trying to do it, explain WHAT |
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| 18:50.10 | hypfer | where did #debian-next go? |
| 18:50.18 | debdeb | that is what maby comes out... |
| 18:50.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | hypfer, irc.debian.net (oftc) |
| 18:50.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it didn't GO, that's where it IS |
| 18:50.35 | hypfer | oh, i see. thanks :) |
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| 18:51.27 | stojic | this seems to work: |
| 18:51.28 | debdeb | jelly-home: and i cant say... al files from the current month... i can say "all files which look like from the current month" |
| 18:51.31 | stojic | MC=$( printf "%02d" $(( (12 + (10#$MC - 1) - $SUB) % 12 + 1 )) ) |
| 18:51.49 | stojic | where SUB is what you're subtracting, it must be less than 12 |
| 18:52.00 | jelly-home | debdeb: GNU date has a relative date syntax, like this: d=2013-04-15; date -d"$d - 2 months" +%Y%m |
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| 18:52.29 | debdeb | stojic: jelly-home that may help both.. thanks |
| 18:52.34 | debdeb | i am trying |
| 18:53.03 | debdeb | stojic: but really... i am way too unintelligent to understand, what you have done there ^^ |
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| 18:53.50 | jelly-home | debdeb: it should not be too hard to match duplicity-inc.$(date +%Y%m)* |
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| 18:54.25 | debdeb | it will become a bit more difficult... |
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| 18:55.16 | stojic | 10#MC means "interpret MC as base 10 number", then I subtracted 1 so that January is 0 and December is 11, added 12 so that the result always stays positive, then subtracted SUB and did modulo 12 to get result in range 0-11, and then added 1 to get it in range 1-12 |
| 18:56.01 | debdeb | from months from last year.. i just want to copy the first full-backup in the month nd such gems |
| 18:56.02 | stojic | and printf in the end prints it zero-padded with two places |
| 18:56.13 | debdeb | but for now... first the incremental ones |
| 18:56.24 | jelly-home | yeah, I see no need to do ad-hoc date arithmetic again when there's a perfectly fine command that can to date -d'1 month ago' |
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| 18:56.41 | jelly-home | can do* |
| 18:56.49 | debdeb | jelly-home: yes.. looks good |
| 18:57.10 | stojic | also it's definitely more reliable |
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| 19:05.12 | debdeb | wee... the one with date is perfect.. thanks a lot |
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| 19:07.44 | debdeb | especially as "man date" doesnt describe that |
| 19:08.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | debdeb, and actually... if this is about backups... are you trying to re-write about what rsnapshot does? |
| 19:08.44 | debdeb | sorr, dont understand, what you mean |
| 19:08.49 | debdeb | +y |
| 19:09.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-cache show rsnapshot" <-- does this describe roughly what you'Re trying to achive? |
| 19:09.20 | debdeb | i try to do something like a grandfather... father... son-cakup-strategy |
| 19:09.34 | debdeb | s/cakup&backup |
| 19:09.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | the cake was a lie :( |
| 19:09.48 | debdeb | s/&// ;-) |
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| 19:11.01 | debdeb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:12.26 | i4c | would would be the best way to partition my harddrive so that i can install, debian stable, testing, unstable and 200GB partition for data ? i have a total of 500 GB on my hd |
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| 19:12.49 | debdeb | and yes... i know, that duplicity itself can delete backups with a given date... i just wanted to do it quick and dirty on the backup-host itself... quick&dirty is now about 5 hours ob bash-scripting ;-( |
| 19:13.00 | i4c | i only ever installed 1 distro at once on my hardrive |
| 19:13.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems you had more success on the "dirty" than on the "quick" part |
| 19:13.30 | debdeb | aye ^^ |
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| 19:18.49 | GrayMagiker | Thanks to zykotick9 (and dpkg of course) I am now running the nvidia drivers installed the debian way and not via nvidia-installer :) |
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| 19:20.49 | debdeb | but one comes from 1st to 100rd problem/idea then |
| 19:21.29 | debdeb | and now i have a skript-shutdown and -error-reporting-funktion in it... a --simulate-spitch and so on ^^ |
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| 19:23.40 | Pizentios | hi there, i have a debian server that i regularly remote into using ssh from my xubuntu machine. I have recently started using 256 colors in my vim setups, however for some reason on the remote debian server 256 colors doesn't work over ssh. Can anybody point me in the correct direction to enable 256 colors in vim/bash over ssh? |
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| 19:25.10 | debdeb | oh.. and a hardcoded switch, which add a simulation-dirctory and -files to not "play" with the real ones... and logging and reporting ^^ |
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| 19:30.56 | jimcooncat | Pizentios: I don't know, but it looks like an answer here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/16336/how-to-get-coloured-terminal-over-ssh |
| 19:31.11 | Pizentios | yes i have read that post |
| 19:31.29 | Pizentios | it only enables colors over terminal for ls |
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| 19:32.22 | Pizentios | i have also tried setting TERM=xterm-256color |
| 19:32.44 | Pizentios | in my .profile and in the .bashrc for my account |
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| 19:34.00 | Pizentios | i use this http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/6533/print-all-256-colors-for-testing-term-or-for-a-quick-reference for testing the amount of colors that are enabled |
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| 19:38.09 | SmashingX | what can I do so everytime I type "up" it will do sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade |
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| 19:39.58 | Dr^Fets | alias up |
| 19:40.02 | Dr^Fets | what does it say |
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| 19:41.52 | SmashingX | can I create it automatically without lossing it every time I restart? |
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| 19:42.12 | SmashingX | bash: alias: up: not found |
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| 19:42.18 | Dr^Fets | ahh |
| 19:42.34 | Dr^Fets | you could create a script |
| 19:43.10 | SmashingX | no I remember I created an alias |
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| 19:43.16 | SmashingX | but I made it permanent |
| 19:43.20 | SmashingX | I just don't remember how |
| 19:44.14 | Dr^Fets | you probably made a shell script and put it in /usr/bin or something |
| 19:44.52 | Dr^Fets | or likely /usr/local/bin |
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| 19:45.37 | Sevet_ | or in .bashrc |
| 19:46.10 | Dr^Fets | as alias |
| 19:46.13 | Dr^Fets | yeah |
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| 19:48.22 | SmashingX | what do you mean by putting it on .bashrc Sevet_? |
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| 19:48.48 | nezzario | I have a weird one here.. Everything is telling me I'm out of disk space but df shows 40% free (~6GB) |
| 19:49.42 | nezzario | I read where it can be caused by a process holding a deleted file open but I can't seem to get anything to "find" the file to work .. So I just rebooted and it's still doing the same. Read also where it could be a messed up filesystem so took it offline and did fsck -f and still the same |
| 19:49.46 | dondelelcaro | nezzario: are you sure you're looking at the right device? |
| 19:49.58 | dondelelcaro | nezzario: and df will show you actual disk space; du is different. |
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| 19:50.21 | nezzario | using df -h to be precise |
| 19:50.46 | nezzario | same without the -h, just to make sure |
| 19:50.59 | nezzario | 100% i'm looking at the right device, it's one big / |
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| 19:51.13 | thewanderer1 | nezzario, what does `df -i` show? |
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| 19:51.48 | nezzario | Aha, now we have the problem |
| 19:52.04 | thewanderer1 | you've run out of inodes, mate? |
| 19:52.29 | nezzario | Seems to be .. wonder what on earth used that many inodes .. is there a way to see inode usage by dir ? |
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| 19:53.24 | thewanderer1 | nezzario, you could just run "find" with no search condition on all dirs, and count the output (group via some script) |
| 19:53.34 | thewanderer1 | programs such as Filelight may do that for you automagically |
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| 19:54.25 | thewanderer1 | they count directory entries, not inodes (no deduplication), so it's only an approximation, but it's good enough if you're not a heavy hard link user |
| 19:54.36 | nezzario | mail.. |
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| 19:55.17 | kirkland_water | has anyone every cross compiled for freebsd while in debian? |
| 19:55.22 | nezzario | too much crap is trying to send mail that doesn't need to be delivered anyway |
| 19:55.35 | thewanderer1 | btw. did you set any atypical options during FS creation (Debian install)? maybe "1 inode per MB" or some such? |
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| 19:55.48 | pixy | hwo to be user1 while in chroot ? |
| 19:55.58 | thewanderer1 | pixy, su user1 ? |
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| 19:57.41 | nezzario | actually, no |
| 19:57.58 | nezzario | thewanderer1: looks like php's session garbage collection stopped working or some crap, have 2 million session files sitting here.. |
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| 19:58.23 | thewanderer1 | nezzario, well, maybe you've changed the session storage path and failed to inform the cronjob or so |
| 19:58.36 | i4c | would would be the best way to partition my harddrive so that i can install, debian stable, testing, unstable and 200GB partition for data ? i have a total of 500 GB on my hd |
| 19:58.39 | thewanderer1 | (btw. you may want to store this in memcached anyway) |
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| 19:58.51 | nezzario | redis* ;) |
| 19:59.11 | thewanderer1 | yeah, yeah, maybe even MUMPS, whatever works for you ;) |
| 19:59.14 | nezzario | but sounds like a good plan |
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| 20:00.26 | thewanderer1 | i4c, Stable needs about 12GB for a typical install without too much crap (and can handle GNOME and KDE + typical productivity software), testing needs more, unstable usually the most - up to 20GB is what I'd give it |
| 20:00.34 | thewanderer1 | assign the rest at your leisure |
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| 20:01.20 | nezzario | i have headless (no gui), production debain boxes fitting in 1GB with room to spare |
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| 20:01.41 | nezzario | rootfs 1008M 792M 166M 83% / |
| 20:01.54 | nezzario | ok so a little tight, but .. |
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| 20:04.16 | i4c | thewanderer1: i meant the structure, like should i share home, sda1,sda2 etc |
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| 20:04.32 | i4c | i will printscreen my current gparted setup |
| 20:06.12 | i4c | http://imgur.com/TCy5Ev1 |
| 20:06.32 | thewanderer1 | i4c, sharing home is probably not a good idea - configs *will* break between various versions of GNOME and KDE |
| 20:06.54 | thewanderer1 | you could share your own documents directories, but not the dotfiles |
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| 20:07.31 | thewanderer1 | /boot can be shared just fine, though, as long as you only use 1 OS to manage GRUB |
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| 20:35.33 | smw | anyone know why mtpfs was dropped from wheezy? It is in squeeze and sid. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mtpfs&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
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| 20:39.01 | Sevet_ | smw: good question, looks like it was already asked but don't see anything came of it http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/02/msg00662.html |
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| 20:40.04 | smw | Sevet_, so, because of the freeze, the best you can hope for is a backport? |
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| 20:40.36 | smw | Sevet_, I am right now working on figuring out how to add unstable the same way I added experimental |
| 20:40.39 | MrMonkey31 | smw, I think I heard it's "deprecated" |
| 20:40.53 | smw | MrMonkey31, so... what replaced it? |
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| 20:41.41 | smw | Right now I have experimental repos but it doesn't fetch from there unless I explicitly ask it to. Will the same happen if I add unstable? |
| 20:42.00 | MrMonkey31 | that I forgot |
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| 20:47.35 | timmmaaaayyy | anyone know how to create a gre tunnel? i'm using a raspberryPI, but i would think regualr debian commands would work |
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| 20:51.30 | ompaul | !raspberian |
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| 20:52.16 | ompaul | dpkg test |
| 20:52.18 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 20:52.33 | debdeb | ^^ |
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| 20:52.44 | ompaul | !raspberrypi |
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| 20:53.14 | debdeb | #raspbian |
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| 20:54.05 | ompaul | !raspbian |
| 20:54.06 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 20:54.21 | ompaul | timmmaaaayyy: ^^ that's for you |
| 20:54.31 | timmmaaaayyy | oh thanks |
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| 21:00.34 | smw | MrMonkey31, Sevet_, thanks for the help. I figured out how to install sid repos and giving them a priority that looks the same as experimental |
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| 21:03.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell smw -about tum |
| 21:04.21 | babilen | smw: Not sure what you are after, but that would be the "classical" approach for mixing testing with unstable. Note that you /shouldn't use that with wheezy at this point anymore. |
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| 21:05.14 | smw | babilen, why not use it with wheezy? |
| 21:05.48 | babilen | smw: Because wheeze will be released as stable this weekend and you shouldn't mix stable with either testing or unstable. |
| 21:06.24 | debdeb | pinning? |
| 21:06.53 | smw | babilen, well, that is what I intended to do. Is there a specific reason testing is more compatible with unstable than stable? |
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| 21:07.28 | smw | debdeb, yeah, I am using this: http://fpaste.org/9882/36744243/ |
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| 21:08.04 | babilen | smw: There is. Packages transition from unstable into testing -- If you mix the two you are essentially speeding up the process or make a conscious decision to get packages that wouldn't transition due to bugs. |
| 21:08.59 | babilen | Pinning doesn't change the fact that one shouldn't really mix stable with testing/unstable. The correct way is to use backports (see "/msg dpkg wheezy-backports) or to create backports yourself (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 21:09.16 | smw | babilen, I use unstable/experimental only for a couple packages as needed. |
| 21:09.23 | smw | looks into ssb |
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| 21:10.18 | babilen | Then backport them and be done with it. Mixing is not a problem /right now/ but will turn out to be a huge problem in the future. Just imagine a system that wildly mixes squeeze and wheezy right now. |
| 21:10.58 | smw | babilen, I am new to debian. I am a long time ubuntu user though so I have some idea of the toolset |
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| 21:11.14 | babilen | smw: The other approach would be to run *testing* and mix that with unstable. |
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| 21:11.21 | Pizentios | i have a debian server running (debian 6), how can i get it to install vim 7.3? |
| 21:11.27 | smw | babilen, yeah, I don't think I want to do that :-) |
| 21:11.36 | babilen | smw: Well, take my word on this then. You shouldn't mix the stable release with /anything/ but backports. |
| 21:11.41 | Pizentios | when i do apt-get install vim it says it's up to date |
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| 21:12.08 | Pizentios | when i do apt-cache policy vim it shows version 7.2 |
| 21:12.26 | Pizentios | apt-get upgrade vim doesn't do anything |
| 21:13.22 | babilen | smw: My personal recommendation right now would be: run wheezy and backport selected packages yourself. Some might even make it into wheezy-backports soon. If you wish you can then switch over to jessie (which will be the next testing-to-become-stable) once it settled down. testing and unstable are a bit, well, unruly after the release as developers start to upload new packages again. |
| 21:13.40 | babilen | Pizentios: Show me the output of "apt-cache policy vim" on http://paste.debian.net please |
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| 21:14.37 | smw | babilen, yeah, I want to avoid the giant migration after the freeze is lifted. I will start backporting myself. Are newer kernels often backported? |
| 21:14.53 | Pizentios | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/1568/ |
| 21:15.00 | smw | babilen, I need linux 3.8. Should I backport that manually or use experimental? |
| 21:15.07 | smw | babilen, or is there no difference? |
| 21:15.09 | babilen | smw: You might want to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html |
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| 21:15.44 | smw | babilen, I have a relatively ok idea of the release lifecycle. But thanks, I will try reading it |
| 21:15.46 | babilen | smw: The kernel is typically a different beast and quite safe to install. I would just pull that in from experimental right now and I can assure you that it will be one of the first packages to appear in wheezy-backports. |
| 21:16.05 | smw | babilen, my real issue is I have no idea of what happens when you mix them :-) |
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| 21:16.17 | babilen | smw: Well, that simply clarifies a bit about the releation of unstable/testing to each other and how stable is cut from that. |
| 21:16.27 | babilen | smw: bad things happen :) |
| 21:16.39 | smw | babilen, ah, I know about the lifecycle then :-) |
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| 21:16.52 | babilen | Pizentios: You have the most recent version installed |
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| 21:17.02 | babilen | judd: v vim --release squeeze |
| 21:17.04 | judd | Package: vim on i386 -- squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1 |
| 21:17.12 | smw | babilen, ok, so pull from experimental now and backports later. sweet |
| 21:17.26 | babilen | smw: That is what I would recommend *for the kernel* |
| 21:17.28 | smw | babilen, also, is it possible to find out why a certain package is experimental and not sid? |
| 21:17.39 | smw | babilen, right |
| 21:18.03 | Pizentios | ? vim 7.3 is current version of vim? or does debian 6 not support vim 7.3 yet? |
| 21:18.21 | Pizentios | is there any where to install using apt-get 7.3? or am i stuck installing from source? |
| 21:18.36 | smw | babilen, I am sort of curious why sabnzbdplus is not updated in unstable but the newest is in experimental |
| 21:18.38 | Pizentios | sorry, never had this type of issue before |
| 21:18.58 | babilen | smw: Well, testing is frozen while we prepare for the release which means that no packages transition automagically from unstable into testing. Unstable becomes "slushy" during that time as developers are encouraged not to upload completely new versions to unstable, but only new packages that fix bugs in the ones in testing. |
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| 21:19.10 | babilen | smw: We essentially want to keep that migration path open. |
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| 21:19.21 | cryosphere | so just installed debain 7 |
| 21:19.30 | cryosphere | wtf is up with this unity-like desktop |
| 21:19.38 | babilen | smw: That doesn't, however, stop us from still uploading completely new versions. They are, during the freeze, uploaded to experimental |
| 21:19.49 | smw | babilen, ah, that I did not know. I thought unstable continued unhindered by the freeze |
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| 21:19.56 | cryosphere | i feel like I can't the only one who feels betrayed by this |
| 21:20.16 | aflag | anyone know how to extract all attachments from emails in Maildir format? |
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| 21:20.23 | smw | babilen, ok, so after the freeze lift is it likely it will be migrated. This makes sense. Thanks :-) |
| 21:20.27 | aflag | I want to save all attachments to a directory |
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| 21:20.42 | babilen | Pizentios: I would recommend to upgrade to wheezy which we will release this weekend. See "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" and "/msg dpkg wheezy release notes" for details. If you just installed this system you could also reinstall it using wheezy images, see "/msg dpkg install wheezy" for information about that. |
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| 21:20.58 | sacredch1o | cryosphere: What unity-like desktop? Try KDE out btw |
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| 21:21.26 | cryosphere | sacrechlo: weird wanna-be tablet interface |
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| 21:21.50 | babilen | smw: yeah, packages that are now in experimental will be uploaded to unstable once the freeze is lifted and then transition into testing in due course. backports are cut from packages in backports, so developers have to wait at least for the transition |
| 21:21.53 | Pizentios | babilen: is wheezy stable? this is a production system and i would hate to break it jsut so i can have fancy vim colors through ssh lol |
| 21:22.20 | babilen | Pizentios: Wheeze is not yet stable -- It will be released this weekend (in three days) however |
| 21:22.26 | cryosphere | sacredchlo: do I just go back to gnome2 to fix this |
| 21:22.26 | Pizentios | ah ok |
| 21:22.26 | babilen | Pizentios: Check the /topic :) |
| 21:22.27 | Pizentios | cool |
| 21:22.30 | Pizentios | sorry |
| 21:22.33 | babilen | *Wheezy |
| 21:22.41 | babilen | Pizentios: Thats fine, don't worry. |
| 21:23.04 | smw | babilen, I don't understand "backports are cut from packages in backports" |
| 21:23.07 | Pizentios | trying to install CSAprox vim plugin so i can use colorschemes that i usually use on my desktop lol |
| 21:23.13 | babilen | smw: did I say that? |
| 21:23.24 | babilen | smw: hehe ... I meant "backports are cut from packages in wheezy" |
| 21:23.27 | babilen | err |
| 21:23.30 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 21:23.39 | babilen | "backports are cut from packages in testing" |
| 21:23.41 | babilen | *phew* |
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| 21:24.07 | sacredch1o | Pizentios: tbh you can consider wheezy stable at this point |
| 21:24.20 | awc737 | I did a chmod 775 on /opt, and a lot of my apps won't open |
| 21:24.29 | Pizentios | sacredch1o: cool beans |
| 21:24.49 | babilen | smw: I'm heading off. I hope that you see a bit clearer now and that you now how to proceed. Enjoy Debian and have a good evening :) |
| 21:24.50 | awc737 | what should the permissions be? |
| 21:25.00 | smw | babilen, one more question |
| 21:25.16 | smw | babilen, ok, so linux 3.8 is in experimental. When the switch happens, it will be migrated to unstable. Then it will be migrated to testing. Then it will be backported |
| 21:25.19 | aflag | figured it out :) |
| 21:25.19 | smw | babilen, right? |
| 21:25.19 | Pizentios | thanks for the help babilen |
| 21:25.42 | smw | babilen, bye and thanks for all your help. It is quite a bit clearer :-) |
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| 21:31.20 | cryosphere | so what is the best way to dump the default deb7 desktop |
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| 21:31.30 | cryosphere | and go back to the old gnome |
| 21:32.15 | mtn | cryosphere: there are lots of other options, but gnome2 is not one of them |
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| 21:54.41 | efegurkan | hi guys. I just want to know is it safe to remove "amd64-microcode" package on a intel pc? |
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| 21:55.30 | mtn | efegurkan: why would you want to anyway? |
| 21:56.26 | efegurkan | mtn: I want to minimize the number of non-free softwares I used. |
| 21:56.48 | mtn | efegurkan: do you know what it does? |
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| 22:01.25 | mdh1 | Error: failed /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-i386/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so, because /opt/lampp/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6) |
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| 22:01.58 | mdh1 | I keep getting an error when I try to launch java from php exec, I have recently upgraded to wheezy |
| 22:02.28 | mdh1 | I seem to be able to run the same line that i am trying to exec() from a normal terminal and it works right |
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| 22:05.18 | smw | anyone know how to find and install a key for an ubuntu ppa in apt? |
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| 22:06.17 | smw | when I try to update I get following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 6D975C4791E7EE5E |
| 22:06.50 | earthnative | so does anyone else here happen to run a debian mirror? I'm wondering how likely it is that my disk needs for it will suddenly increase after Wheezy is released? (I'm not expecting it to, but I'm only speculating and don't know what factors I may be overlooking) |
| 22:07.04 | EmleyMoor | smw: We don't support Ubuntu... and don't recommend tryingto mix Ubuntu stuff in with Debian. |
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| 22:07.09 | mtn | smw: I don't think it is recommended to use Ubuntu ppa's in debian |
| 22:07.37 | smw | EmleyMoor, mtn, I am using the deb-src lines so I can "backport" them |
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| 22:07.51 | esde | What is Hipserv OS based on? |
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| 22:08.17 | yayayayaya | Hi |
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| 22:09.30 | yayayayaya | If I have a debian wheezy install with apache how can I put a video on my server and have it so it can stream or play on the webpage? |
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| 22:09.49 | yayayayaya | I was looking at vlc but I don't understand how to setup the stream name in it |
| 22:10.48 | smw | also, when doing apt-get build-deps, is it possible to have it list all the errors? |
| 22:11.04 | smw | Right now it just gives one package it can't find and then exits |
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| 22:53.46 | Anarchy_ | anyone know how to get ip6 via openvpn with network manager? |
| 22:54.27 | Anarchy_ | i can get ip4 but i should also be getting ip6 |
| 22:55.18 | Anarchy_ | i also dont see anywhere to config ip6 or where to enable on the ui |
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| 23:08.28 | phox | so, I went to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and it has links for "other images (netboot, USB stick, etc.)" but when I got there there's jack shit about USB. useful? not overly. can anyone enlighten me as to the current state of USB support? are the ISO images set up to just be written to a USB drive and booted? |
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| 23:11.41 | idler420 | I have a question |
| 23:11.54 | idler420 | whats the best desktop interface |
| 23:11.56 | idler420 | xfce? |
| 23:12.05 | idler420 | i had kde and it was bad so |
| 23:12.25 | Vicissitude | xfce is nice |
| 23:12.45 | LtL | phox: you just write the .iso to the usb stick using `cat` set your system BIOS to boot from USB and you're good to go. |
| 23:12.58 | idler420 | i want to get a really nice and smooth system |
| 23:12.59 | idler420 | with tiling |
| 23:13.00 | idler420 | and stuff |
| 23:13.18 | Arrowmaster | i went from gnome2 to cinnamon |
| 23:13.27 | idler420 | is cinnamon good? |
| 23:13.34 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
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| 23:15.28 | idler420 | whats the diff between xfce and cinnamon |
| 23:17.31 | phox | LtL: ok, wasn't sure if they were set up tha tway |
| 23:17.52 | phox | LtL: also 'dd' is way better there, as you can actually respect (or exceed) the USB write block size so you're not causing unnecessary wear on the flash media ;) |
| 23:18.04 | phox | LtL: anyways thanks a lot for the clarification :) |
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| 23:22.55 | twinkie_addict | wheezy set to stable this weekend right ? |
| 23:23.12 | idler420 | hello |
| 23:23.13 | mgodzilla | topic says 4th or 5th... |
| 23:23.14 | idler420 | hi |
| 23:23.22 | idler420 | 4th is my bday |
| 23:23.29 | idler420 | and what is the better enviro |
| 23:23.32 | idler420 | xfe or cinnamon |
| 23:23.34 | idler420 | xfce |
| 23:23.47 | twinkie_addict | early happy bday mines the 31st |
| 23:24.33 | idler420 | thanks |
| 23:24.38 | idler420 | for an early bday gift |
| 23:24.40 | idler420 | tell me |
| 23:24.43 | idler420 | what is the better DE |
| 23:24.48 | idler420 | xfce or cinnamon |
| 23:25.00 | twinkie_addict | xfce |
| 23:25.39 | idler420 | ok ima go for it |
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| 23:27.00 | idler420 | and for window managers? |
| 23:27.03 | idler420 | openbox right |
| 23:27.08 | idler420 | i also wanna try i3 |
| 23:27.19 | idler420 | or any other tiling |
| 23:27.21 | twinkie_addict | openbox is great too |
| 23:27.30 | idler420 | does it have tiling? |
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| 23:27.33 | idler420 | im new to linux |
| 23:27.41 | idler420 | well not completely new |
| 23:27.46 | idler420 | just havent riced before |
| 23:27.47 | twinkie_addict | tilling try awsome |
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| 23:29.32 | loaden | hi, all! |
| 23:29.35 | loaden | hi, guys! I didn't install any login manager, e.g. lightdm or gdm. I enter X use `startx` command. When I reboot or logout from X to console, the screen will black (darkness), but every thing seems just works. e.g. I can run `startx` into X again. It seems only the screen can't see anything. any comments? |
| 23:30.54 | reavengr1y | Sounds like broken unix software design at its finest |
| 23:33.14 | phox | loaden: tried alt-sysrq-v ? |
| 23:33.51 | phox | aka "stfu and gimme framebuffer back" |
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| 23:36.55 | loaden | phox: hi, does you mean the `sysrq` key is `Print Screen` key? |
| 23:37.48 | loaden | I have tried `Alt+Print Screen` key, and it did not help. |
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| 23:42.37 | idler420 | how do i use awesome |
| 23:42.39 | idler420 | with xfce |
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| 23:48.47 | loaden | hi, guys! I didn't install any login manager, e.g. lightdm or gdm. I enter X use `startx` command. When I reboot or logout from X to console, the screen will black (darkness), but every thing seems just works. e.g. I can run `startx` into X again. It seems only the screen can't see anything. any comments? |
| 23:49.12 | loaden | the `alt-sysrq-s` didn't help. |
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| 23:49.56 | r00t-err0r | AFK |
| 23:51.53 | ChibaPet | The Debian wiki page for LXC seems a bit out of date, at least with regard to running LXC on Wheezy. My two questions: 1) Is there something else I should be using? 2) Should I care about lxc-checkconfig telling me "Cgroup namespace: CONFIG_CGROUP_NSmissing"? |
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