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| 00:07.24 | Stameni | hello, i`ve just installed debian, im a ubuntu user and when i try to install something with sudo apt-get install terminal tells me that i am not in the sudo use group, how to change that ? i am logged in as root now on that system and when i typed visudo so, what should i append there, there is a line %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
| 00:07.41 | Guest65442 | hey I'm thinking about setting up Debian testing on my laptop. How do I go about encrypting my disk? I read a few things about encrypting a logical partition and then setting up LVM. I don't see the point in that. I just want the stuff in my /home securely encrypted in the event my lappie gets stolen. What's the best way to do this? |
| 00:08.03 | fuszy | just use truecrypt |
| 00:08.30 | Guest65442 | Stameni: you need to be root. `su -l` and then edit the /etc/group file. Add yourself to the "sudo" group. |
| 00:08.38 | dvs | Stameni: If you are logged in a root, you dont need to use sudo |
| 00:08.51 | Stameni | But i dont want to be logged in as a root |
| 00:09.01 | Stameni | i want to be able to install stuff as a regural user |
| 00:09.18 | zykotick9 | Stameni: 1st be sure sudo is installed, then add your user to teh sudo group, then logout/back in and it should work. |
| 00:09.23 | Guest65442 | Stameni: you can do this too. username = ALL(ALL):ALL or something like that |
| 00:09.25 | dvs | Stameni: Then add the user to the sudo group |
| 00:09.39 | Stameni | ok, just a second |
| 00:10.59 | lupine | the difference between root and sudo for a single-user install is barely worth mentioning |
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| 00:12.06 | zykotick9 | Stameni: personally, i'm not a big fan of sudo myself. i use a regular user for 99% of stuff, and just "su -" when required. |
| 00:13.56 | Stameni | thank you all, zykotick9 i have just migrated from ubuntu after a couple of years so, i am used to do things that sudo way |
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| 00:14.01 | Guest65442 | fuszy: Can you use truecrypt on / and /home partitions? |
| 00:14.02 | Stameni | now it works |
| 00:14.45 | fuszy | you should be able to |
| 00:15.01 | Guest65442 | fuszy: or are you suggesting that it would be less of a mission to just encrypt the sensitive stuff and leave everything else? |
| 00:15.16 | Stameni | zykotick9, may i ask why do you prefer that other way ? |
| 00:15.37 | zykotick9 | Stameni: forgetting ubuntu-habits as quickly as possible, will easy your transition ;) i came from ubuntu as well. debian does things differently, don't assume ubuntu-ways will apply. best of luck, enjoy debian. |
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| 00:17.01 | zykotick9 | there was an article/blog titled "getting back to root" about moving to debian published in the last few days. i think that's kinda my feel on the subject, unix-like environments where ment to have a root / user division IMO. |
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| 00:17.32 | Stameni | zykotick9, but on the single user system, what is a difference ? |
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| 00:18.04 | Stameni | is there something i loose if add a regular user to a sudouser group ? |
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| 00:18.33 | LtL | Stameni: yes, security. |
| 00:18.34 | zykotick9 | Stameni: it's up to you! it's your machine! do what you want ;) but i think there is a mental difference between becoming root to execute it, and just throwing sudo infront of something. |
| 00:19.19 | Stameni | so you would become root when installing, removing, administrating outside of your home directory and drop to regular as soon as job is done ? |
| 00:19.32 | zykotick9 | yes |
| 00:20.00 | zykotick9 | Stameni: the "su -" fakes a login, and actually switches to root's home |
| 00:20.22 | LtL | Stameni: yes, never forget to exit the root shell, and never forget your are root, that's the only caveat. |
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| 00:20.45 | LtL | zykotick9: su - changes the environment too iirc. |
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| 00:21.15 | Stameni | ok, i`ll find out more abaut that, tnx |
| 00:21.26 | zykotick9 | LtL: i'm oversimplifying the entire environment thing to "fakes a login" ;) |
| 00:21.29 | Theoden | Any ideas on how to filter out 'ubuntu' returns from google searches? |
| 00:21.57 | zykotick9 | Theoden: -ubuntu in your search? |
| 00:21.57 | LtL | zykotick9: well, you're pretty much correct. i get ya |
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| 00:26.03 | Theoden | zykotick9: thx |
| 00:26.22 | zykotick9 | LtL: without the -, just "su", will not autocomplete on apt-get/aptitude commands and other niceties for root. with just su, "aptitude i<TAB>" doesn't work :( |
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| 00:27.37 | LtL | zykotick9: didn't realize that, i always do 'su -' |
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| 00:27.44 | zykotick9 | me too |
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| 00:46.30 | terr_ | I am still trying to configure the MTA (mutt) and I cannot find the sent mail. Also it is finding a reference to a machine which has been shut down for a decade. Any ideas where I should look? |
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| 00:48.00 | terr_ | I have this in my DNS |
| 00:48.11 | terr_ | jupiter IN A 192.168.1.2 |
| 00:48.11 | terr_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.12 | terr_ | i |
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| 00:48.41 | terr_ | however the server is at 192.168.1.3 |
| 00:49.07 | ChibaPet | terr_: Your Mutt config should be in .mutt/muttrc. |
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| 00:49.32 | ChibaPet | In there you should see a specification for a sent mail folder and a bunch of other stuff. What do you believe exists now, for a mail set-up? |
| 00:49.45 | terr_ | ChibaPet: nope. ls: .mutt: No such file or directory |
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| 00:49.53 | ChibaPet | How about .muttrc? |
| 00:49.57 | terr_ | ChibaPet: I do have /etc/Muttrc |
| 00:50.09 | BabyBunny | Hello |
| 00:50.11 | ChibaPet | That one shouldn't have details of your mail set-up. |
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| 00:50.17 | terr_ | ls: .mutt*: No such file or directory |
| 00:50.31 | BabyBunny | Hi |
| 00:50.44 | ChibaPet | Alright. So, you don't have a Mutt config, and you shouldn't expect it to do sane things. What do you believe is your mail set-up at present? |
| 00:51.01 | ChibaPet | hi |
| 00:53.05 | terr_ | ChibaPet: I have an internal and an external mail server because I run several domains. All mail comming in hits mail.terralogic.net and that machine either forwards for the domains it is responsible for or it passes internal mail on to 192.168.1.3 which is a multihoming server running under "saturn" and "io" both at address 192.168.1.3 |
| 00:53.20 | asterismo | Is there any clearlooks theme compatible with gtk2 and gtk3? i find greybird, bluebird and albatross quite unpleasant for the eye. I really miss clearlooks theme |
| 00:54.13 | terr_ | I lost the regular mail server last week and had to recofig in the wee hours of the morning. Clearly I have missed something. The internal server runs Debian and exim THe previous server ran postfix. I am more familiar with postfix. |
| 00:54.16 | ChibaPet | So, you're sitting on saturn/io and you think there's mail delivery there but you're not finding it? Perhaps I need more scope for the question. Do you know where the mail is and you're wondering about Mutt config, or are we doing more exploration? |
| 00:54.23 | Stameni | is there a trash in debian ? when i press delete nothing happens, but when i press shift+delete then it deletes |
| 00:55.01 | terr_ | ChibaPet: I receive just fine. When I sent it says its sending from terr@jupiter.terralogic.net but jupiter was an NT machine that has been powered down for a decade. |
| 00:55.01 | ChibaPet | terr_: You lost a server running Postfix, and you've now got Exim and are unsure of how to run it? If that's the case, by all means install Postfix. Debian runs it nicely. |
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| 00:55.20 | LtL | terr_: /etc/Muttrc and /etc/Muttrc.d/ |
| 00:55.26 | asterismo | is there any alternative for Shotwell in debian? |
| 00:55.43 | ChibaPet | terr_: If you're familiar with Postfix, absolutely reinstall it. Don't use it as a learning project. :) |
| 00:55.53 | asterismo | one in that i can import photo tags made in shotwell |
| 00:55.56 | terr_ | ChibaPet: This is a really old version of Debian and I'm going to be replacing iut shortly. I don't want to install postfix. I just need to fix the outgoing mail and find where mutt puts it |
| 00:56.41 | ChibaPet | terr_: Ah. Mutt may not be responsible for the outbound domain setting. |
| 00:56.49 | terr_ | ChibaPet: this should be two (2) really easy fixes. Now I've been running my own DNS for over a decade but there are things I do not understand |
| 00:57.12 | terr_ | ChibaPet: I think the "jupiter" reference is from the resolver |
| 00:57.35 | ChibaPet | terr_: First, MUAs don't always have defaults for copying off sent mail. Mutt won't likely save it by default unless you explicate that. |
| 00:57.52 | terr_ | ChibaPet: Oh! I thought it saved by default. |
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| 00:58.14 | terr_ | ChibaPet: Can you send me a smaple .muttrc? terr@terralogic.net |
| 00:58.18 | ChibaPet | terr_: Maybe some do. Thunderbird probably does. When you send with Mutt, do you have anything in the Fcc line in your send screen? |
| 00:58.40 | ChibaPet | Let me find one for you... You definitely don't want anything like mine. :P |
| 00:59.21 | terr_ | ChibaPet: It doesn't work like the version I'm familiar with. It prompts for to: and subjcet: then flips to vi for the body. I do not see the headers at all |
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| 00:59.52 | ChibaPet | terr_: I just found this, for what it's worth: http://muttrcbuilder.org/ |
| 00:59.54 | Stameni | when i installed vim, where it ended up ? which folder ? |
| 01:00.35 | ChibaPet | terr_: Hold on, looking for a simple example. All the ones I'm finding are a bit bloated. |
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| 01:00.52 | LtL | Stameni: `whereis vim` |
| 01:01.06 | ChibaPet | terr_: Alright, this one is short and well-commented: http://www.davep.org/mutt/muttrc/ |
| 01:01.15 | Stameni | LtL tnx |
| 01:01.35 | LtL | Stameni: also `which vim` |
| 01:02.02 | terr_ | ChibaPet: I'm not into systems admin right now at all! |
| 01:02.20 | terr_ | ChibaPet: I should hire an admin |
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| 01:02.28 | ChibaPet | terr_: Mm. Good reason to use software with which you're comfortable! |
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| 01:02.52 | terr_ | ChibaPet: It would likely take less time to replace the power suypply in the dead server! |
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| 01:03.23 | ChibaPet | terr_: That's certainly an option too. I'm just thinking that your email is quite possibly open to abuse at the moment. Please be paranoid about that. |
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| 01:03.44 | ChibaPet | terr_: And if it's a dead power supply, 1) yes, try replacing that, and 2) make back-ups of the server immediately. |
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| 01:04.55 | ChibaPet | terr_: Little things can easily become problems. I've been doing this stuff for years and on implementing a new server just now, I was utterly tripped up by the installer making a 127.0.1.1 entry in /etc/hosts. If you have a working server, repair and back it up and you'll be safer. Move to a new architecture only when you've experimented with systems that aren't critical to you. |
| 01:05.01 | terr_ | ChibaPet: no.. really the machine was redundant. It only ran mail. |
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| 01:06.18 | terr_ | ChibaPet: this mail system acutally works well enough for the next few days. I have a house to finish painting and carpets / flooring to install and I have about 15 bee hives to organise for spring. Server admin it not top priority |
| 01:06.56 | terr_ | Debian.Md.etc_mailname_gethostbyname I did a mutt -v |
| 01:06.58 | ChibaPet | terr_: Alright, I misunderstood the scope then. I would try telnetting to your mail port and injecting mail by hand - see if it comes out with the odd address, maybe. |
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| 01:07.13 | terr_ | I should be easily able to find the default outgoing mail settings |
| 01:07.43 | terr_ | ChibaPet: why don't I send a msg to you. You might find the problem instantly |
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| 01:08.03 | ChibaPet | terr_: It's possible, but I'm not an Exim expert. More of a Postfix person. |
| 01:08.18 | terr_ | ChibaPet: I don't think the problem is in exim |
| 01:08.51 | ChibaPet | terr_: So, let's clear a couple things up. You have a server you're on, with Mutt. What other servers exist in your set-up? |
| 01:09.23 | ChibaPet | If it's just this one and it's sending mail out to the world, that narrows things down. If you're relaying to another server, there are more places bad things could happen with addressing and so forth. |
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| 01:10.11 | terr_ | ChibaPet: no the machine directly sends to the outside world. exim does not seem to be involved. It only handles inbound and that works |
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| 01:11.06 | terr_ | ChibaPet: 2013-03-22 07:32:20 1UJ311-0001uf-00 => terr <terr@saturn.terralogic.net> D=localuser T=local_delivery |
| 01:11.06 | terr_ | 2013-03-22 07:32:20 1UJ311-0001uf-00 Completed |
| 01:11.10 | ChibaPet | terr_: It'd have to be involved unless Mutt's configured to talk to some other smtp server directly, and it sounds like you don't have a config to do that. |
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| 01:11.21 | terr_ | ChibaPet: this is in the exim log file. |
| 01:11.46 | ChibaPet | Hold on, reading scrollback to make sure I understand the issue then. |
| 01:12.00 | terr_ | ChibaPet: It would talk by default to mail.terralogic.net which is the mx record in the DNS |
| 01:12.21 | ChibaPet | Mutt isn't necessarily going to care about your MX record. |
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| 01:12.59 | terr_ | IN MX 10 saturn that does not look right all others are IN MX 10 mail.terralogic.net. |
| 01:13.03 | ChibaPet | I just sent you a test mail. Got a failure, so I think you're not working like you want. |
| 01:13.09 | andkore | what is your response when you encounter a program that runs on linux, but for which there is no debian package (there's only an archive with binaries stuck in a folder)? |
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| 01:13.52 | ChibaPet | andkore: I tend to use GNU Stow and do a local build. |
| 01:14.00 | terr_ | ChibaPet: no that would be the greylist working. It will fail adn your mail server will rety and it will come through. I use OpenBSD on the servers and we run the UofA greylist system. Works great BTW |
| 01:14.35 | andkore | ChibaPet: thanks, I'll check that out. |
| 01:14.49 | terr_ | ChibaPet: mail.terralogic.net is on the webserver. |
| 01:15.19 | terr_ | ChibaPet: its an openBSD machine running postfix and it multihomes and handles about a dozen domains |
| 01:15.43 | terr_ | ChibaPet: that machine also handles mail for about 500 people |
| 01:15.47 | andkore | ChibaPet: you mean you just build it from source? that's what I do, except I use checkinstall |
| 01:16.39 | ChibaPet | andkore: yes |
| 01:16.41 | terr_ | ChibaPet: There should be a simple interactive program that can check these configs. I might have to write one. I did start this. But maybe one already exists. |
| 01:17.32 | ChibaPet | terr_: does email appear normally when you send it with mailx instead of mutt? |
| 01:17.35 | terr_ | ChibaPet: in mutt if I do a c? I should see the dirs it uses. They are empty. It is using something else |
| 01:17.59 | ChibaPet | Let's remove mutt from the equation first and make sure things are working correctly without it. |
| 01:18.08 | terr_ | ChibaPet: yes. It does - but I have not sed mailx in years on this machine. |
| 01:18.16 | terr_ | ChibaPet: good idea |
| 01:18.42 | terr_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.42 | terr_ | PING mail.terralogic.net (66.18.218.45): 56 data bytes |
| 01:18.42 | terr_ | 64 bytes from 66.18.218.45: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=0.8 ms |
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| 01:19.06 | terr_ | ChibaPet: it sees the external mail server which is the openbsd machine and this is correct. |
| 01:19.34 | terr_ | mail IN A 66.18.218.45 |
| 01:19.34 | terr_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.01 | terr_ | This is the DNS for the external world. You should be able to ping mail.terralogic.net as well. Try it. |
| 01:20.30 | ChibaPet | So, your goal is to relay to this OpenBSD box then? |
| 01:20.47 | ChibaPet | You can use telnet and run a conversation, for testing. |
| 01:21.05 | terr_ | ChibaPet: My internal machines should all default to the external mail server. |
| 01:21.37 | terr_ | ChibaPet: you know I have never done that. I should learn how. |
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| 01:24.02 | ChibaPet | terr_: Sorry, I've got to take off, and I don't think you're seeing private messages. Hopefully someone else will be around to help. In the meantime, question your assumptions, try transactions by hand, and maybe look at having Mutt talk directly to your relay host. SMTP auth and stuff. |
| 01:24.05 | terr_ | ChibaPet: for outgoing mail, mutt should use the MX record and send to the outgoing mail server which talks to the whole world. Incomming it does hit exim and that works. Its just I don't know where mutt |
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| 01:31.12 | terr_ | ChibaPet: hey thanks anyways. |
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| 02:06.29 | prefixed | heyt |
| 02:06.42 | prefixed | why isn't solr 4.2 included in debian wheezy? |
| 02:09.40 | fuszy | will the debian install support ipw2200 or will i need to add it's firmware? |
| 02:10.08 | nevyn | the firmware is non-free |
| 02:10.16 | nevyn | so it's not on the official installers |
| 02:10.31 | nevyn | !ipw2200 |
| 02:10.32 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a Linux kernel driver supporting Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 (802.11bg) and 2915 (802.11a/bg) devices. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 02:18.03 | uberdub | keep getting dep errors |
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| 02:20.57 | Stameni | they are alive |
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| 02:28.18 | prefixed | why isn't solr 4.2 included in debian wheezy? |
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| 02:38.49 | stew | prefixed: likely because nobody ever volunteered to package it |
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| 02:40.06 | stew | looks like we don't even have an RFP for solr |
| 02:40.24 | stew | there is the perl package, and a python client RFP, but none for solr itself |
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| 02:40.42 | prefixed | interesting |
| 02:40.51 | prefixed | well |
| 02:40.58 | prefixed | looks like I'm going to have to go to solr 4 |
| 02:41.14 | stew | there is lucene |
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| 02:41.16 | prefixed | it allegedly uses 60% less memory |
| 02:41.20 | stew | judd: versions liblucene2-java |
| 02:41.21 | judd | Package: liblucene2-java on i386 -- squeeze: 2.9.2+ds1-1; sid: 2.9.4+ds1-4; wheezy: 2.9.4+ds1-4 |
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| 02:43.30 | Bernd187 | hi, I can not ssh/scp or something like that from a debootstrab minbase with user that is not root. anyone know why? ERROR: ssh: connect to host <ip-of-host> port 22: Permission denied |
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| 02:54.44 | Bernd187 | SOLVED: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=62151 << group was missing. |
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| 03:02.56 | uberdub | anyone using bitcoin-qt? |
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| 03:03.20 | stew | !anyone use |
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| 03:03.32 | disturbed | i know razor-qt |
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| 03:04.42 | uberdub | keep getting dep errors when trying to build bitcoin-qt |
| 03:04.43 | stew | heh, I should probably figure out where my bitcoin wallet is, my fractions of a coin could probably buy me a six pack at this point |
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| 03:04.56 | uberdub | yeah pretty crazy |
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| 03:05.10 | uberdub | I want to buy a handful of em |
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| 03:05.19 | rfarris | There a way to get gcc to use multiple core? compiling wine now and only one is being used |
| 03:05.28 | uberdub | 10-20 |
| 03:05.53 | stew | rfarris: what is the build tool? make? |
| 03:06.01 | uberdub | bitcoin-qt is giving me issues from backports reps |
| 03:06.04 | rfarris | stew: yes |
| 03:06.19 | stew | rfarris: look at the -j switch to make |
| 03:06.45 | uberdub | not sure how to get the deps |
| 03:06.50 | uberdub | newish to debian |
| 03:07.21 | uberdub | they have a official ubuntu build, but nothing for real debian |
| 03:07.24 | stew | uberdub: we can't do much without actual questions and errors and logs and stuff. give us whatever you can in a paste somewhwere. see /msg dpkg bat |
| 03:08.01 | rfarris | so make -j 4, I assume it will know the jobs are all for this compliation/compile/making |
| 03:08.30 | stew | rfarris: how many cpus does the box have? |
| 03:08.45 | uberdub | http://pastebin.com/RbE7FQhT |
| 03:08.52 | rfarris | one, but 4 cores |
| 03:09.00 | stew | rfarris: use -j 8 |
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| 03:09.36 | stew | rfarris: since they will get stuck a lot on disk io, it does better to make sure that there are jobs for cpus to do when some jobs are waiting on the disk |
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| 03:10.13 | rfarris | ahh |
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| 03:10.31 | stew | uberdub: so pick one of those packages which are not going to be installable, and try just installing that, and see what the problem is. recurse until you get something moore concrete |
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| 03:11.25 | uberdub | unable to locate package example** |
| 03:11.35 | stew | judd: versions example |
| 03:11.36 | judd | No package named 'example' was found in i386. |
| 03:11.41 | uberdub | I know |
| 03:11.44 | stew | yeah, doesn't look like that is a package in debian |
| 03:11.59 | uberdub | is says that for all of them |
| 03:12.06 | uberdub | pick one |
| 03:12.13 | stew | they all depend on the same package and the package is named "example"? |
| 03:12.20 | stew | that's surprising |
| 03:13.11 | uberdub | what dont you understand? |
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| 03:13.27 | scx | hello |
| 03:13.32 | stew | uberdub: did you obscure the error message from me? |
| 03:13.41 | uberdub | no |
| 03:13.42 | rfarris | I dont always act like an ass, but when I do I wait for when someone is trying to help me |
| 03:13.57 | stew | uberdub: like was "example" not real? it would be weird for a package in backports to depend on a package, such as "example" which doesn't exist in debian |
| 03:14.11 | uberdub | lol |
| 03:14.24 | stew | judd: depends: libboost-filesystem1.49.0 wheezy-backports |
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| 03:14.31 | uberdub | roflmao |
| 03:14.35 | stew | judd: depends libboost-filesystem1.49.0 wheezy-backports |
| 03:14.36 | judd | No package named 'libboost-filesystem1.49.0' was found in wheezy-backports/i386. |
| 03:14.45 | stew | judd: depends libboost-filesystem1.49.0 squeeze-backports |
| 03:14.46 | judd | No package named 'libboost-filesystem1.49.0' was found in squeeze-backports/i386. |
| 03:14.49 | stew | hrm |
| 03:14.54 | stew | uberdub: whats the funny part? |
| 03:15.03 | scx | do you have swap partition or swap file? how much RAM and swap do you have? |
| 03:15.21 | uberdub | is your english just not so good or something? |
| 03:15.36 | stew | what? |
| 03:15.46 | stew | no, my english is better than the average native english speaker |
| 03:15.49 | stew | but I don't know why that matters |
| 03:16.10 | uberdub | unable to locate package <filename**> |
| 03:16.21 | stew | but its clear that you are trying to get me to help you while you both obscure the actual messages you are getting then also deceive me about it when I ask you directly |
| 03:16.24 | stew | so whatever |
| 03:16.24 | rfarris | i've found those packages in wheezy depos |
| 03:16.33 | stew | i'm not up for the scavenger hunt tonight |
| 03:16.55 | uberdub | does that spell it out enough for you yet? |
| 03:17.05 | stew | no |
| 03:17.14 | uberdub | unable to locate package <filename**> |
| 03:17.16 | stew | since I don't believe that "filename" is the actual thing it said |
| 03:17.22 | uberdub | wow |
| 03:17.22 | scx | anyone can show me: "du -sh /boot/" and "du -sh /boot/*"? |
| 03:17.35 | stew | how the fuck am I supposed to help you find a filename if you don't tell me what the filename actually is |
| 03:17.38 | scx | can anyone* |
| 03:17.48 | uberdub | did you read the pastebin? |
| 03:17.52 | stew | yes |
| 03:17.55 | stew | of course |
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| 03:18.07 | uberdub | so you saw all the missing deps? |
| 03:18.28 | stew | uberdub: so you want me to help you find out why your system can't find a package, but you won't tell me which pacakge? |
| 03:18.31 | stew | good luck |
| 03:18.36 | uberdub | all of them |
| 03:18.40 | uberdub | all of the deps |
| 03:18.42 | stew | lie |
| 03:18.42 | uberdub | all |
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| 03:18.56 | uberdub | now Im a liar |
| 03:18.58 | uberdub | lol |
| 03:19.00 | uberdub | nice |
| 03:19.02 | rfarris | uberdub: the pastebin didnt show the command that was run. Are you just trying to get the depenancies for bitcoin for building or ust dpkg -i bitcoin-qt |
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| 03:21.15 | uberdub | rfarris: im using apt-get |
| 03:21.42 | uberdub | apt-get -f install bitcoin-qt |
| 03:22.25 | uberdub | when I try to build the missing packages themselves I get "unable to locate" |
| 03:22.43 | uberdub | this is from backports |
| 03:22.51 | stew | you get exactly what error? |
| 03:23.11 | stew | its not just "unable to locate" you are obscuring some of the information from us |
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| 03:23.41 | uberdub | I get the feeling there is something simple im overlooking? |
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| 03:24.16 | stew | yes, you are overlooking the fact that we are begging to help you, but you insiste on obfuscating the information we need to help you |
| 03:24.51 | rww | Which version of Debian are you using? Where is this package coming from that you're building? Why are you building it instead of just using the in-repository version or the tarball from Bitcoin's website? What's the actual command you're typing in, and what is the entire output it gives you (in a pastebin)? |
| 03:24.59 | Seekanet | well i dont know where to ask so i'll shoot it here.. anyone have a guide, on securing a web server machine? (multiple users) |
| 03:25.00 | dennisRitchie | use * rbomb watches them shoot a pidgeon |
| 03:25.03 | LtL | uberdub: you are using apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "package" right? or did i miss something |
| 03:25.04 | rww | probably other questions, but that would be a good start |
| 03:25.37 | rfarris | why are you trying to pull libboost-filesystem1.49.0 from backports? |
| 03:25.40 | rfarris | rww: hah |
| 03:26.17 | uberdub | LtL: yes |
| 03:26.25 | uberdub | the tarball? |
| 03:26.28 | uberdub | meh |
| 03:26.31 | uberdub | last resort |
| 03:26.57 | uberdub | if i wanted to build deps, and install from source...Id be running slackware |
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| 03:27.31 | uberdub | lol, they do have a .tgz right on the site |
| 03:27.37 | rww | okay. the command LtL just said doesn't involve building at all, so I'm going to assume "build the missing packages" was a typo |
| 03:27.46 | stew | uberdub: if you are running "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install 'package'", can you at least tell us what "package" is there? |
| 03:27.50 | disturbed | linux distros are all the same, like women |
| 03:28.04 | rww | stew: bitcoin-qt, it seems |
| 03:28.05 | uberdub | yeah subtle differences |
| 03:28.28 | stew | disturbed: please keep your misogyny to yourself |
| 03:28.29 | scx | disturbed: now i know why it is hard to understood linux |
| 03:28.34 | uberdub | I use debian because .deb pwns |
| 03:28.53 | uberdub | ftw |
| 03:29.11 | rww | okay, updated question list: Which version of Debian are you using? Did you enable the squeeze-backports repository? Did you do apt-get update after doing so? |
| 03:29.25 | stew | rww: so he's trying to build what? the sid versoin? experimental? |
| 03:29.55 | uberdub | rww: squeeze, yes, and yes |
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| 03:30.04 | rww | oh, bitcoin-qt isn't in backports, is it |
| 03:30.06 | uberdub | backports was added a while ago |
| 03:30.08 | stew | no |
| 03:30.12 | uberdub | its not? |
| 03:30.13 | rww | just bitcoind. meh. |
| 03:30.15 | stew | its in sid and experimental |
| 03:30.17 | uberdub | oh |
| 03:30.19 | uberdub | derp |
| 03:30.24 | uberdub | that installed fine |
| 03:30.26 | stew | judd: versions bitcion-qt |
| 03:30.27 | judd | No package named 'bitcion-qt' was found in i386. |
| 03:30.33 | stew | judd: versions bitcoin-qt |
| 03:30.34 | judd | Package: bitcoin-qt on i386 -- sid: 0.7.2-3; experimental: 0.8.1-1 |
| 03:30.41 | rww | okay, sid and experimental are stupider ideas than just getting the thing off Bitcoin's website, imho |
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| 03:30.51 | uberdub | ahhh ok |
| 03:31.14 | uberdub | so build from scratch huh? |
| 03:31.18 | stew | so i suppose we have a frankendebian, but who knows, since he won't actually give us real information |
| 03:31.21 | uberdub | compile |
| 03:31.24 | rww | you don't need to build anything, the tarball on bitcoin's website has binaries |
| 03:31.33 | rww | assuming you're using amd64 or i386 |
| 03:31.34 | uberdub | oh sweet |
| 03:31.39 | uberdub | yeah |
| 03:32.42 | rfarris | omg make -j4 its beautiful |
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| 03:32.49 | uberdub | I figured such popular software had to have and easier solution than compile from source |
| 03:32.58 | uberdub | lulz |
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| 03:33.24 | LtL | scx: http://paste.debian.net/245864 |
| 03:33.34 | disturbed | easy = no 1337 gcc options |
| 03:34.13 | scx | LtL: thanks |
| 03:34.21 | LtL | scx: pleasure |
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| 03:34.36 | scx | LtL: do you have swap? |
| 03:34.43 | LtL | scx: yes |
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| 03:35.18 | scx | LtL: how much RAM you have and how large is your swap partition? |
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| 03:35.40 | disturbed | how about 0? |
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| 03:36.29 | dennisRitchie | mindflash |
| 03:36.57 | LtL | scx: 4 gb ram, 1.8 gb swap |
| 03:37.51 | scx | LtL: ok, thanks for info |
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| 03:38.06 | LtL | scx: certainly |
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| 03:42.55 | uberdub | Thanks for the help guys/gals |
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| 03:51.16 | jeetpei | Hi All |
| 03:51.16 | dennisRitchie | at this link will be backed up is all the helpful |
| 03:51.32 | jeetpei | i have debian 7.0 |
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| 03:51.46 | jeetpei | i cant find /etc/init.d/samba |
| 03:51.55 | jeetpei | can someone help me |
| 03:52.00 | jeetpei | what is wrong |
| 03:54.11 | rfarris | is samba installed? :) |
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| 03:58.41 | histo | jeetpei: dpkg -l | grep samba |
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| 04:00.31 | jeetpei | ii libsamba-credentials0:amd64 2:4.0.3-netgear2 amd64 Samba Credentials management library |
| 04:00.31 | jeetpei | ii libsamba-hostconfig0:amd64 2:4.0.3-netgear2 amd64 Samba host configuration library |
| 04:00.31 | jeetpei | ii libsamba-util0:amd64 2:4.0.3-netgear2 amd64 Samba utility function library |
| 04:00.31 | jeetpei | ii samba 2:4.0.3-netgear2 amd64 SMB/CIFS file, NT domain and active directory server (version 4) |
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| 04:00.37 | LZ2ILR_ | anyone used uuencode to ftp via telnet? |
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| 04:01.17 | LZ2ILR_ | i need a walk through please |
| 04:01.45 | jeetpei | Histo : where i can find pastebin for debian ? |
| 04:02.12 | histo | jeetpei: just open a browser pastebin.org |
| 04:02.24 | jeetpei | ok sorry :) |
| 04:02.24 | dennisRitchie | iluvdaftpunk, sorry am 30 miles from a live cd not readable on mac |
| 04:02.43 | histo | jeetpei: but samba is installed what exactly are you trying to do with /etc/init.d/samba btw? |
| 04:03.11 | jeetpei | histo: i am trying to restart samba services |
| 04:03.42 | jeetpei | but i am not able to di this .. either service smb/smbd nothing found what can i do |
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| 04:05.00 | jeetpei | http://pastebin.com/jvc97RKH |
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| 04:05.50 | histo | jeetpei: sudo service samba restart |
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| 04:07.20 | jeetpei | http://pastebin.com/ffWEL13a |
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| 04:07.50 | LZ2ILR_ | anyone used uuencode to ftp via telnet? |
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| 04:10.11 | stew | LZ2ILR_: probably |
| 04:10.35 | LZ2ILR_ | im needing advice to do just that |
| 04:10.46 | jeetpei | histo: did you see output ? |
| 04:10.56 | LZ2ILR_ | only have telnet |
| 04:11.01 | stew | LZ2ILR_: how did you get yourself into this hell? |
| 04:11.18 | histo | jeetpei: sudo service smbd restart |
| 04:11.23 | LZ2ILR_ | its a remote dvr running busybox |
| 04:11.36 | histo | LZ2ILR_: yuck |
| 04:11.41 | jeetpei | i tried that too but same output |
| 04:11.45 | LZ2ILR_ | no other accses |
| 04:12.03 | histo | jeetpei: ps aux | grep (samba|smbd) |
| 04:12.09 | LZ2ILR_ | the file is there, i need it here |
| 04:12.14 | stew | LZ2ILR_: so what is the problem? |
| 04:12.15 | dennisRitchie | i just learned about my problem? |
| 04:13.17 | LZ2ILR_ | i cant work out how to use the uuencode/decode its baffling me |
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| 04:13.43 | histo | jeetpei: that won't work see if the service is running ps aux | grep samba and then try ps aux | grep smbd |
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| 04:15.01 | rmad | i have got a dsl connection. i created a connection from network manager and it runs fine. however i want to connect it using terminal. how do i do it? |
| 04:15.07 | LZ2ILR_ | i get the idea that it turns a binary file to text then i turn it back, but how do i do the complete command properly? read a few googles but they confuse me more |
| 04:15.24 | jeetpei | services are running .. smbd |
| 04:15.52 | stew | LZ2ILR_: have you looked at the manpages? they are pretty simple |
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| 04:17.58 | histo | jeetpei: sudo /etc/init.d/smbd status |
| 04:18.06 | LZ2ILR_ | man, wikipedia, etc |
| 04:18.29 | LZ2ILR_ | things are easy once you do em the first time |
| 04:18.46 | histo | rmad: with nmcli |
| 04:19.03 | jeetpei | there is no service smbd or smb in /etc/init.d/ that is problem i am facing :( |
| 04:20.33 | rmad | histo: got it. thanks :) |
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| 04:22.58 | histo | jeetpei: perhaps someone else can help you but you said the service was running. I'm not that familiar with 7.0 but i'd assume it would be using init or upstart |
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| 04:24.03 | rmad | when i'm installing something or removing this error comes up: "N: Ignoring file 'google-chrome.list.save' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension" |
| 04:24.22 | rmad | i tried deleting the file but it got created again |
| 04:24.27 | jeetpei | ok no problem .. :) lets see |
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| 04:24.44 | jeetpei | histo: Thanks a lot for giving me time |
| 04:25.30 | histo | jehan: try and ask your question again in one line with version information perhaps people will know |
| 04:25.38 | rmad | any idea why this error comes up? |
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| 04:27.51 | stew | LZ2ILR_: what have you tried? |
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| 04:33.30 | LZ2ILR_ | im now trying uuencode /home/vid.avi vid.avi |
| 04:33.53 | LZ2ILR_ | but its frozen after a lot of screen garb |
| 04:34.50 | LZ2ILR_ | how do i know if its finished, crashed, etc? |
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| 04:39.13 | stew | LZ2ILR_: you have to use shell redirection to send the output somewhere |
| 04:39.52 | stew | LZ2ILR_: so perhaps uuencode /home/vid.avi nameOfMyVid > /home/vid.avi.uu |
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| 04:41.12 | stew | if you can use ftp, i'm not sure why exactly you have to uuencode in the first place |
| 04:41.24 | LZ2ILR_ | cant ftp |
| 04:42.04 | LZ2ILR_ | used telnet xxxxxx | tee logfile |
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| 04:42.30 | histo | LZ2ILR_: why cna't you use ftp? |
| 04:42.40 | stew | 00:07 < LZ2ILR_> anyone used uuencode to ftp via telnet? |
| 04:42.42 | histo | LZ2ILR_: or ssh or scp or sftp |
| 04:42.45 | LZ2ILR_ | i just shut it down, got 240k data. hmm |
| 04:42.54 | stew | what does ftp mean here? |
| 04:43.23 | ttyS0 | probably the same thing it means anywhere ... |
| 04:43.27 | LZ2ILR_ | remote machine is busybox embedded controller, it has telnet only |
| 04:43.29 | stew | oh ftp has nothing to do with the protocol? |
| 04:43.59 | stew | ttyS0: was that to me? |
| 04:44.00 | aj_acevedo | telnet? Really. People still use that? |
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| 04:44.24 | ttyS0 | *nod* |
| 04:44.32 | truexfan81 | i know i could probably google this but i don't have my browser open lol |
| 04:44.32 | stew | ttyS0: then no, you are wrong |
| 04:44.34 | histo | LZ2ILR_: you cna use netcat to transfer a file also |
| 04:44.34 | ttyS0 | aj_acevedo: that's what I've been thinking |
| 04:44.35 | LZ2ILR_ | all the time if you work with embedded stuff |
| 04:44.41 | ttyS0 | stew: that's sad |
| 04:44.42 | truexfan81 | when did debian linux start? |
| 04:45.05 | aj_acevedo | Debian started after telnet died |
| 04:45.06 | DesertFox | when did google start? |
| 04:45.13 | stew | ttyS0: well the fact that it means that someone is not actually using the ftp protocol is not sad. Its a protocol that needs to die |
| 04:45.38 | ttyS0 | stew: no, the fact that people are talking about ftp, but don't mean the protocol is sad |
| 04:45.44 | LZ2ILR_ | i read up on ntcat, nc looked even more tricky but remote machine did have nc on it |
| 04:46.28 | stew | LZ2ILR_: if you have nc on both machines this is easy and doesn't involve any transformation on the files like uuencode |
| 04:48.10 | LZ2ILR_ | sounds good but this kind of thing aint really my territory. i get easily spun out if its not taught as to a 10 year old |
| 04:48.10 | histo | LZ2ILR_: http://oreilly.com/pub/h/1058 |
| 04:49.10 | stew | like a 10 year old? ugh this might take a while |
| 04:49.30 | LZ2ILR_ | im reading the link... hopefully |
| 04:50.14 | stew | for 10 year olds, I like to start with some basic typing practice. do this: aqaza aqaza aqaza swsxs swsxs swsxs dedcd dedcd dedcd |
| 04:50.31 | aj_acevedo | LZ2ILR_: One piece of advice. Don't use telnet or standard ftp. You might as well walk around with a post-it note on your forehead with your username and password. ssh or sftp is a secure alternative. |
| 04:50.38 | stew | then it gets harder: frftfgfbfvf frftfgfbfvf |
| 04:50.56 | histo | aj_acevedo: he's using an embedded system |
| 04:51.06 | stew | aj_acevedo: instead we are going to have him use nc where there are no password involved at all |
| 04:51.27 | aj_acevedo | ah! |
| 04:51.41 | LZ2ILR_ | no password needed. |
| 04:51.46 | histo | embedded system with no file transfer protocols |
| 04:52.21 | LZ2ILR_ | not sensitive at all, just remove the file and its redundant |
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| 04:54.58 | LZ2ILR_ | it dont like -v switch |
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| 04:59.12 | LZ2ILR_ | l p i e w |
| 04:59.20 | LZ2ILR_ | on remote |
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| 05:03.18 | LZ2ILR_ | give up, need sleep |
| 05:03.30 | LZ2ILR_ | ta 4 the help |
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| 05:52.09 | mansgrf | http://xteensx.info/hot-blonde-fucked-by-big-black-cock-in-tight-ass-hot-anal-scene |
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| 06:01.31 | owen1 | i try install tmux 1.8 from source and get: configure: error: "curses not found" any ideas? |
| 06:01.47 | cardamon | you need curses |
| 06:01.57 | cardamon | It's a lib. |
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| 06:02.19 | somiaj | owen1: you need the -dev version of the lib, libncurses5-dev I belive is the package |
| 06:02.49 | somiaj | owen1: since tmux is already a debian package, if you have a deb-src line in your /etc/apt/sources.list you can do apt-get build-dep tmux |
| 06:04.19 | owen1 | somiaj: oh. so before i run ./configure and make make install, i should runy build-dep? |
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| 06:04.49 | owen1 | somiaj: don't forget, i try to install tmux 1.8 which is not available in the official repos |
| 06:04.59 | somiaj | owen1: that will allow debian src packages to autmoatically install the libaries to build the source |
| 06:05.05 | somiaj | owen1: you could install them manually too |
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| 06:05.28 | cardamon | somiaj: I did no know you could do that. |
| 06:05.30 | somiaj | owen1: provided they new version doesn't need a libary the old version didn't need that is a way to just speed it up |
| 06:05.37 | cardamon | somiaj: You have just changed my life. |
| 06:06.08 | somiaj | cardamon: yea source packages have a build-depend field that list the libaries needed to compile it |
| 06:06.50 | owen1 | somiaj: awesome. trying it |
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| 06:14.40 | MrWGW- | hey there |
| 06:14.53 | Blue1 | howdy tex |
| 06:14.55 | MrWGW- | I'm trying to install Squeeze onto an HP IA-64 workstation, a zX2800 |
| 06:15.04 | MrWGW- | when booting from the CD, it get passed Uncompressing Linux ... done |
| 06:15.09 | MrWGW- | and then hnags after Loading file |
| 06:15.10 | somiaj | what CD? |
| 06:15.12 | MrWGW- | intrd.gz...done |
| 06:15.23 | MrWGW- | somiaj: I used the IA-64 CD ROM imgae |
| 06:15.29 | Blue1 | MrWGW-: you did the md5 check sums, right? |
| 06:15.33 | MrWGW- | yes |
| 06:16.06 | somiaj | MrWGW-: and ya sure it is IA-64, I never actually messed with one, but just figured I'd double check since they are rare |
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| 06:16.31 | Blue1 | yup new on me |
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| 06:17.10 | peterrooney | somiaj: that's some impressive impression you've made, "You have just changed my life." |
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| 06:17.22 | MrWGW- | this is most definitely an itanium box |
| 06:17.33 | MrWGW- | note that if it were not, the boot process would not have progressed this far (for obvious reasons) |
| 06:17.46 | MrWGW- | its a big hulking box too, its a workstation but its in a 3U server form factor, complete with rackmount accessories |
| 06:19.29 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Help. Wheezy partition manager hangs up at "Scanning disks..." |
| 06:19.34 | somiaj | MrWGW-: there is a #debian-ia64 on irc.oftc.net, you could also try the net install and see if that boots. Though since the cd passed the md5sum, that is a shot in the dark |
| 06:19.52 | MrWGW- | the netinstall is on my to try list |
| 06:20.01 | MrWGW- | I might try the oftc channel although I hate leaving freenode |
| 06:20.16 | somiaj | yea, but that is the offical debian irc network over there |
| 06:21.41 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | i am installing wheezy in expert mode. And it hungs up at "Scanning disks..." when i come to partitioning the disk |
| 06:22.29 | somiaj | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: how many disks in the system, could it be having trouble scanning one? |
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| 06:23.03 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | erm... il try unpluging the usb i was thinking of copying files from while it installs it |
| 06:23.15 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | gonna try this now |
| 06:23.15 | somiaj | yea I'd try that, you can plug it in later |
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| 06:24.09 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | did fix it right like "unplug-unstuck". Will restart the installation |
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| 06:25.30 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | btw, what does debian installer do with location i give to it? |
| 06:25.37 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I mean exept timezones |
| 06:26.04 | somiaj | that should be it, you just set your timezone location. |
| 06:26.33 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | so i can just give it london if i wanna UTC on my machine. No other stuff? |
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| 06:26.42 | somiaj | that should work |
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| 06:27.28 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | What does C mean? (No localization) |
| 06:27.40 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | i see that it leaves everything english |
| 06:27.46 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | But whats the difference? |
| 06:29.21 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | oh... i see... |
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| 06:35.59 | Forced | any reason to not put /boot on linux MD/softraid? |
| 06:36.06 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I think wheezy is more stable than squeeze |
| 06:36.15 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | idk, never used any kind of raid |
| 06:36.45 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Only squeeze have amd64 assaultcube-data but not the game it self XD |
| 06:36.46 | Forced | I've seen guides for it and works fine, just wondering if there is a reason not to? |
| 06:37.00 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | any reason not to try? |
| 06:38.01 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | if you got time, you can try reinstalling until it works how you like |
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| 06:40.17 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | what does UDF modules do> |
| 06:40.18 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | ? |
| 06:41.45 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | oh... |
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| 07:06.25 | zentwin_ | What is the default user and pass is for GRUB? If I want to edit a command in GRUB then I hit TAB on boot. It says that I should press 'e' to edit boot commands. When I do that I get asked for username and password. |
| 07:07.08 | somiaj | Forced: the reason is dependin on the kernel it may not be able to read the raid array without the initrd image and stuff stored in /boot |
| 07:08.40 | somiaj | Forced: so it is safe pratice to not store the info about the raid away and stuff needed to boot inside the raid |
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| 07:10.25 | somiaj | zentwin_: I dind't know there was a deafult set, it isn't just blnak? |
| 07:11.26 | zentwin_ | somiaj: You mean Username: [enter] password: [enter] |
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| 07:13.04 | somiaj | looks like you cna try password too as the password |
| 07:13.39 | somiaj | didn't see any user name info in /boot/grub |
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| 07:23.53 | Forced | somiaj, thanks |
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| 07:26.32 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | i just installed debian without xorg. i got a hdtv. And the console have gone alittle to the left (so i can see only the half of first letter) |
| 07:26.38 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | anyone know how to fix? |
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| 07:28.17 | somiaj | can you adjust your hdtv's settings? |
| 07:28.37 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | You dare to say i am not searching for remote like crazy now? |
| 07:28.45 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | XD |
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| 07:30.21 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Does anyone here have superpowers to find my remote with his mind? |
| 07:30.52 | somiaj | you can sometimes use the buttons the the hdtv, though remote is usually easier |
| 07:31.26 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | max those buttons can do: volume + channel + input + shutdown |
| 07:32.20 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Ah... if only my TV had debian... |
| 07:33.57 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I my netbook/router died with the smell of burning chemicals recently :( |
| 07:36.08 | rozie | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: won't give you exact answer, but IMO you should read http://blog.samat.org/2010/11/09/High-resolution-text-console-with-uvesafb-and-Debian and https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=33214 |
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| 07:36.21 | rozie | and search for smth like that |
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| 07:37.30 | rozie | wrong. it's just not adjusted, not wrong resolution |
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| 07:37.52 | rozie | most TVs have auto positioning function |
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| 07:38.45 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | yeah. Thats why i am searching for remote right now |
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| 07:51.16 | boudiccas | i have 22 rar files which have ben created from one original file, how can i rejoin them to one file only please? |
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| 07:51.40 | Cavil | you dont |
| 07:51.54 | Cavil | just unrar the main rar and it will use the splits itself |
| 07:52.05 | Cavil | unrar x <archive>.rar |
| 07:52.07 | boudiccas | okay, thanks |
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| 08:04.22 | boudiccas | Cavil: i do this .. 'unrar x -o+ /home/boztu/News/MickeyMouse - Steamboat Willie 1955.part01.rar' and it returns 'ERROR: Unknown option' where am i going wrong please? |
| 08:04.53 | Cavil | boudiccas: theres a space for a start |
| 08:05.16 | boudiccas | theres lots of spaces, which one i particular please? |
| 08:05.20 | boudiccas | in |
| 08:05.36 | EmleyMoor | Put a \ before each space |
| 08:05.42 | Cavil | yes |
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| 08:06.30 | boudiccas | so it says 'unrar\ x\ -o+\ /home/foomanchu.etc' ? that looks weird! |
| 08:06.42 | EmleyMoor | Er, no, not quite |
| 08:06.43 | Cavil | just in the rar |
| 08:06.47 | EmleyMoor | In the filename |
| 08:06.58 | boudiccas | ah right, i get you |
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| 08:07.45 | ytrew | After installing Linux last night, I got chronic diarrhoea. Is Linux cursed? |
| 08:08.42 | Cavil | Linux in no way affects diet |
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| 08:11.09 | w|t | troll |
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| 08:12.05 | ytrew | okay |
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| 08:19.00 | dizzylizzy | I'm pointing jigdo at a bunch of year-old debian install CDs, the DI-alpha1 from ages ago, to help build a DI-rc1 DVD iso |
| 08:19.11 | dizzylizzy | saving so much bandwidth! :D I love the capabilities of free software |
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| 08:26.26 | dizzylizzy | jigdo isn't really set up to check multiple CD's though, so I have to manually mount them as /media/tmp1, /media/tmp2, etc, otherwise it won't scan the same location (/media/cdrom) |
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| 08:27.12 | dizzylizzy | i wish development of jigdo would return... maybe I should buckle down and learn enough code so I can do it myself? it's one of the coolest projects debian's put out IMHO |
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| 09:05.05 | dizzylizzy | oh sweet, i saved 838 packages by pointing jigdo to /var/cache/apt/archives! |
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| 09:22.57 | onebitxajax | hi to all |
| 09:23.01 | onebitxajax | i have this problem: |
| 09:23.43 | onebitxajax | with debian my connection don't go over 400kb, but with kubuntu for the same link i can download at 800kb |
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| 09:23.52 | onebitxajax | why this happen? can someone help in this? |
| 09:23.58 | onebitxajax | what test i must do? |
| 09:24.09 | rozie | what is you connection? |
| 09:24.27 | onebitxajax | wifi, |
| 09:24.46 | rozie | take a look at iwconfig on both systems |
| 09:24.51 | rozie | paste it |
| 09:24.56 | onebitxajax | wifi, 06:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43225 802.11b/g/n (rev 01) |
| 09:25.08 | onebitxajax | rozie: ok i do it now |
| 09:26.43 | onebitxajax | rozie: debian http://paste.debian.net/245896/ |
| 09:26.48 | onebitxajax | now i will reboot |
| 09:27.02 | rozie | this probably will be one of the iwconfig settings. or the other driver |
| 09:27.48 | onebitxajax | the only difference, i think but am not sure, that on debian there is the driver of manufacturer |
| 09:27.59 | onebitxajax | on debian there is the open source community drive |
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| 09:33.12 | fuszy | get the manufacturers drivers |
| 09:33.32 | rozie | easy, let's check iwconfig on the other system... |
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| 09:41.04 | onebitxajax | hi to all |
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| 09:41.08 | w|t | hi |
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| 09:43.46 | onebitxajax | i reboot the syste can someone paste me the log |
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| 09:44.02 | onebitxajax | where i pasted the link of the iwconfig debian? |
| 09:44.10 | onebitxajax | sorry i don't save it |
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| 09:48.19 | rozie | onebitxajax: http://paste.debian.net/245896/ |
| 09:48.23 | rozie | and now? |
| 09:48.49 | onebitxajax | iwconfig debian : http://paste.debian.net/245896/ |
| 09:48.50 | onebitxajax | iwconfig ubuntu : http://paste.debian.net/245897/ |
| 09:48.55 | onebitxajax | rozie: here it is |
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| 09:49.22 | onebitxajax | bit rate is lower |
| 09:49.41 | rozie | I'd give a chance to a non-free driver |
| 09:49.55 | rozie | you can also play with tx strength and power management |
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| 09:50.39 | onebitxajax | rozie: you are right , Tx excessive retries:2886 o,o |
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| 09:53.17 | Woet | any idea what this would indicate? http://i.imgur.com/Bc0ouWs.png |
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| 09:55.50 | rozie | Woet: there's no full trace |
| 09:55.58 | Woet | rozie: not sure where I would be able to get that |
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| 09:56.00 | Woet | nothing in syslog |
| 09:56.07 | Woet | and the screen doesn't go bigger / scroll |
| 09:56.19 | capellou | bonjour je voudrais savoir comment je dois faire pour redémarrer comme si c'etait pour la premiere fois mon ordinateur je suis sous Ubuntu 10.04 LTS ? |
| 09:56.25 | testericle_ | does debian's apt support the mirror:// method same as ubuntu? |
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| 09:56.35 | Woet | capellou: #debian-fr |
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| 09:58.00 | rww | more like #ubuntu-fr, from the look of it |
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| 09:58.16 | testericle_ | if yes, what do the lines look like? |
| 09:58.41 | onebitxajax | rozie: is there any ethod to save the config of iwconfig from ubuntu, and restore it on debian? |
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| 10:02.01 | Zoup | I can't build linux_3.2.39-2 with pbuilder :( any ideas? : http://codepad.org/AjIFaEDF |
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| 10:35.58 | mint | I have 4GB RAM and a 320GB HDD, so how much swap shall I have? |
| 10:36.29 | STMelon | 1.5/2 gb swap |
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| 11:01.02 | Stameni | hello, i installed wheezy last night and it is ok generaly however, it ocasionaly freezes |
| 11:01.18 | Stameni | i suspect that that is not unusual for relese candidate |
| 11:01.41 | Stameni | however, i can easily go to ctrl+alt+f1 and system itself is fine |
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| 11:01.53 | Stameni | is there a way to restart graphical enviroment from there ? |
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| 11:04.15 | nkuttler | Stameni: /etc/init.d/<yourdm> restart |
| 11:04.43 | nkuttler | Stameni: or if you can zap xorg, ctrl alt backspace, but i believe that's disabled by default nowadays |
| 11:04.46 | Stameni | nkullter what is <yourdm> |
| 11:04.59 | nkuttler | Stameni: do you use kde or gnome? |
| 11:05.20 | Stameni | gnome |
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| 11:05.29 | nkuttler | try gdm then |
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| 11:06.19 | Stameni | nkullter, i dont know what do you meen by gdm |
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| 11:06.44 | kimspindel | it's the log-in screen manager thing |
| 11:06.57 | xand | Stameni: that is what you need to restart |
| 11:07.36 | Stameni | so gdm is a program ? and i should get it throu apt-get ? |
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| 11:09.10 | Stameni | no, its <yourdm> i suspect |
| 11:09.33 | Stameni | anyway, it wont work |
| 11:09.39 | kimspindel | <yourdm> = your display manager |
| 11:09.53 | kimspindel | if you're using gnome it should be gdm (gnome display manager) |
| 11:09.56 | nkuttler | Stameni: you already have it installed.. |
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| 11:10.18 | nkuttler | !doesn't work |
| 11:10.19 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 11:10.26 | kimspindel | Stameni: so you should just run /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 11:10.29 | Stameni | nkuttler, thank you for the advice but it is not working |
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| 11:10.43 | nkuttler | Stameni: how do you figure that? |
| 11:10.43 | Stameni | kimspindel, it says no such file or directory |
| 11:11.00 | nkuttler | Stameni: ps auxw | grep dm$ |
| 11:11.25 | Stameni | returns nothing |
| 11:11.33 | nkuttler | ls /etc/init.d/*dm |
| 11:11.53 | Stameni | nkuttler, no such file or directory |
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| 11:12.09 | nkuttler | Stameni: how did you even manage to install debian and get gnome to start? |
| 11:12.15 | kimspindel | lol |
| 11:12.21 | Stameni | i dont know, it works fine |
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| 11:12.26 | Stameni | but occasionaly freezes |
| 11:12.50 | nkuttler | well sorry, i can't help you any more |
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| 11:13.04 | Stameni | thank you for the help |
| 11:13.08 | Stameni | ill reboot as usual |
| 11:13.11 | Stameni | :) |
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| 11:14.50 | Stameni | now it works fine |
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| 11:16.41 | Fratyr | Hi. im trying to install a squid proxy on my debian server. I'm getting "access denied" in browser. any ideas where to start looking from? logs are pretty empty. |
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| 11:24.18 | sonkey4 | Fratyr: acl rules? been a while, are you in a ip range allowed by squid? |
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| 11:24.55 | Fratyr | oh, no :p |
| 11:25.07 | Fratyr | i forgot that I set http_access deny all |
| 11:25.13 | Stameni | it freezed again but it seams that it allways happend when using icewheasel |
| 11:25.17 | Fratyr | actually my IP is dynamic, what do I do in this case? |
| 11:25.30 | Fratyr | can I ban all countries but mine? |
| 11:25.36 | Fratyr | and then set a password protection |
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| 11:26.16 | sonkey4 | I'm not sure on that, must be a way |
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| 11:28.14 | Stameni | nkuttler, its gdm3 |
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| 11:33.43 | rmad | i had installed debian without any swap. I have 3GB memory. Will i be having problems? |
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| 11:36.27 | petn-randall | rmad: You'll just not be able to swap or hibernate. |
| 11:36.53 | petn-randall | rmad: Depends on how you memory usage is if this will negatively affect you. |
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| 11:38.04 | rmad | i will be using things like eclipse, mysql, firefox/chrome. Is there any chance of my system crashing? |
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| 11:42.31 | abrotman | rmad: crashing? probably not, but I'd have serious concerns about the OOM killer hitting you |
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| 11:42.50 | rmad | what is the OOM killer? |
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| 11:43.11 | abrotman | Out Of Memory |
| 11:43.46 | abrotman | rmad: what WM/DE are you using? |
| 11:44.11 | rmad | Window Manager? I'm using Gnome |
| 11:45.39 | abrotman | would make a swap file |
| 11:45.53 | rmad | you are scaring me :( |
| 11:45.58 | testericle_ | does debian's apt support the mirror:// method same as ubuntu? |
| 11:46.04 | testericle_ | if yes, what do the lines look like? |
| 11:46.44 | abrotman | rmad: gnome3? firefox? eclipse/java? chrome? |
| 11:46.47 | abrotman | oh, and mysql |
| 11:47.19 | petn-randall | rmad: It's best to stick with the defaults of the installer unless you really know what you're doing. |
| 11:47.31 | petn-randall | rmad: the installer by default adds a swap partition. |
| 11:47.58 | abrotman | rmad: i just booted my laptop, haven't actually started doing any work yet. a couple gnome-terminals,Iceweasel with a bunch of tabs, and Pidgin .. i'm using 1GB with 700MB cached files |
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| 11:48.20 | PG1 | community!!!! |
| 11:48.24 | PG1 | i cant install x264!!! |
| 11:48.31 | PG1 | i cant install x264-dev! |
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| 11:48.35 | rmad | gnome 2, firefox 19, eclipse galileo, java 1.6, chrome 25 and mysql 5.1 |
| 11:48.38 | abrotman | PG1: use a pastebin!!!! |
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| 11:49.03 | laapache | Hello, how can i fail2ban or logwatch with busybox-syslogd ? logread the command which prints circular log buffer take them from nowhere so we can't do the job. And i don't see any responses from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=691002 wishreport ... |
| 11:49.05 | abrotman | rmad: so, you're not using any Debian packages? So who knows what memory leaks they have, etc |
| 11:49.15 | PG1 | apt-get install x264 apt-get install libx264-dev unable to locate packages!!! |
| 11:49.21 | abrotman | PG1: pastebin |
| 11:49.30 | abrotman | the full command, the full output |
| 11:49.34 | PG1 | abrotman: ! sure ! |
| 11:49.44 | rmad | i'm using debian packages other than firefox,chrome |
| 11:49.58 | abrotman | rmad: it's easy to create a swap file .. it's not its own partition |
| 11:50.16 | rww | testericle_: If memory serves, yes, but Debian went with http://http.debian.net/ (see the instructions there) instead |
| 11:50.27 | PG1 | abrotman: here you go!! http://pastie.org/7171337 |
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| 11:50.55 | abrotman | PG1: also pastebin your sources.list |
| 11:51.49 | PG1 | abrotman: all yours!! http://pastie.org/7171393 |
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| 11:52.11 | rww | oh my. |
| 11:52.22 | rmad | petn-randall, abrotman: I dual booted with windows. I had 3 windows ntfs partitions. So on the last unpartitioned space when I tried making a logical swap space of 2GB the rest became logical space too(i did not have any primary partition) and if I made it primary partition leaving 2 GB for swap the 2GB became unusable |
| 11:53.27 | abrotman | PG1: when's the last time you ran "apt-get update" .. what's the output of "apt-cache search x264" ? |
| 11:53.37 | PG1 | well 5:36 sec ago |
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| 11:54.03 | abrotman | judd: versions x264 |
| 11:54.04 | judd | Package: x264 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2:0.120.2151+gita3f4407-3~bpo60+1; sid: 2:0.123.2189+git35cf912-1; wheezy: 2:0.123.2189+git35cf912-1; experimental: 2:0.129.2238+git9c4ba4b-1; squeeze-multimedia: 3:0.118.2085+git8a62835-0.1+1; sid-multimedia: 3:0.130.2274+gitc832fe9-dmo1; wheezy-multimedia: 3:0.130.2274+gitc832fe9-dmo1 |
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| 11:54.28 | PG1 | root@debian:~/gstreamer/gst-plugins-ugly-1.0.6# apt-cache search x264 |
| 11:54.29 | PG1 | root@debian:~/gstreamer/gst-plugins-ugly-1.0.6# |
| 11:54.45 | abrotman | PG1: your system is amd64 ? |
| 11:54.49 | PG1 | yes sir |
| 11:54.57 | abrotman | PG1: pastebin the output of "apt-get update" |
| 11:55.15 | PG1 | uname -a |
| 11:55.16 | PG1 | Linux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Feb 25 00:26:11 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 11:55.21 | rww | PG1: why does your sources.list have entries for lenny-backports and etch debian-multimedia? |
| 11:55.25 | abrotman | PG1: also,do you have any pinning in your preferences file ? |
| 11:56.21 | PG1 | here you go! http://pastie.org/7171601 |
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| 11:56.44 | PG1 | what do you mean by "pinning" ?! :)) |
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| 11:57.59 | abrotman | wonders why he's grinning? |
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| 11:59.50 | ksuhku | !tell PG1 about pinning |
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| 12:00.03 | rww | or, to put it a different way: the first two non-comment lines of your sources.list are broken, and the remainder are squeeze and squeeze updates. The latter do not include the x264 package, hence you have no x264 package. |
| 12:00.31 | PG1 | rww: so? |
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| 12:00.36 | PG1 | what to do???? |
| 12:00.39 | abrotman | rww: he has regular squeeze sources? |
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| 12:00.50 | abrotman | PG1: i asked you forpastebin output |
| 12:00.53 | rww | abrotman: regular squeeze doesn't have x264, just squeeze-backports |
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| 12:01.08 | abrotman | ah, so it is .. |
| 12:01.19 | abrotman | well, there we go! |
| 12:01.21 | rww | and he has lenny-backports. because god only knows why. |
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| 12:01.30 | ksuhku | and even some etch stuff |
| 12:03.22 | rww | PG1: comment out the first two lines, amend whatever failed thought process led you to put them there in the first place, and then read http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 12:03.31 | abrotman | !tell PG1 about squeeze backports |
| 12:03.33 | PG1 | rww: will try that thanks! |
| 12:03.47 | PG1 | abrotman: Alexander T. Brotman are you into cycling? |
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| 12:03.58 | PG1 | i tihnk i know you |
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| 12:04.30 | PG1 | thanks guys it works!! :-)) |
| 12:04.35 | PG1 | appreciatedd |
| 12:04.48 | abrotman | PG1: you may have met my brother (based on the whois info on your IP) |
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| 12:05.09 | PG1 | excuse me??? |
| 12:05.13 | PG1 | shame on you. |
| 12:05.32 | abrotman | PG1: your IP, says you're in Lebanon? It's possible you've met my brother |
| 12:05.54 | abrotman | PG1: msg me if you want to talk about it |
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| 12:06.55 | PG1 | well yea i am on a business trip and i dont know about your brother r or your mother too |
| 12:07.21 | abrotman | PG1: you can msg me if you want to talk about it .. But yes, I do cycle a bit. |
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| 12:07.38 | PG1 | and i know you i dont know why are you being aggrssive |
| 12:07.42 | PG1 | anyyways forget about it |
| 12:07.51 | rww | raises an eyebrow |
| 12:07.53 | abrotman | i'm not .. i'm asking you to msg me if you'd like to talk about it :) |
| 12:07.54 | Aktau | Any idea why /usr/sbin and stuff like that is not added to the path for every user guys? |
| 12:08.05 | Aktau | I hate typing /sbin/ifconfig |
| 12:08.06 | abrotman | Aktau: because that's how it should be |
| 12:08.16 | Aktau | And it works fine for normal users |
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| 12:08.37 | abrotman | Aktau: does it? can you alter the settings of the interface with ifconfig as a normal user? |
| 12:08.40 | testericle_ | rww: thanks |
| 12:08.47 | Stameni | i have found a bug in glchess, he does not know the diference between mate and stalemate (draw) |
| 12:08.52 | Stameni | its relese critical |
| 12:09.12 | Aktau | abrotman: well of course the normal user has no rights to that, but it's handy to see some other things about the network |
| 12:09.21 | abrotman | Aktau: use the 'ip' command |
| 12:09.23 | Aktau | abrotman: don't you agree? Or is there another way |
| 12:09.39 | abrotman | Stameni: file a bug |
| 12:09.47 | Aktau | abrotman: what about iwconfig? |
| 12:09.50 | Stameni | abrotman, how ? |
| 12:09.59 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Stameni about reportbug |
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| 12:11.32 | b-kun | Good something everyone; i'm trying and failing to get perl scripts to run under apache as i'm getting "ExecCGI not enabled in this directory" despite it being enabled a Directory / in httpd.conf , getting a bit desperate X) |
| 12:11.46 | b-kun | oh and Squeeze 6 with apache 2.2 stock install |
| 12:12.58 | PG1 | cool guys it works thank you for yuor support as always! :) cheers |
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| 12:20.43 | soomsoom | What chances that gnome 3.8 will arrived to debian testing? |
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| 12:21.13 | abrotman | soomsoom: zero |
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| 12:21.24 | soomsoom | :\ |
| 12:21.39 | abrotman | soomsoom: at least before Wheezy's release, gnome3.8 will enter testing after that |
| 12:21.51 | soomsoom | ha ok |
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| 12:25.32 | Stameni | abrotman, i'v filled a bug but i accidently used wrong email as my adress but it said "Bug report submitted to: ... bla bla bla. .. Copies will be sent after processing to: wrongemail@adress |
| 12:25.50 | Stameni | abrotman, so, its ok ? no metrer that i used wrong adress ? |
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| 12:26.24 | Stameni | i have choosed debian offered smtp |
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| 12:29.36 | abrotman | Stameni: you may be able to correct it .. you can look on bugs.debian.org at the methods to control the bug report |
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| 13:04.53 | Aktau | I'm trying to use the anonymous pro font for my xterm |
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| 13:05.25 | Aktau | I like it (and the little arrow), but it's not displaying properly under Anonymous Pro |
| 13:05.35 | Aktau | Though it shows just fine under DejaVu Sans Mono |
| 13:05.42 | Aktau | What could I be doing wrong here? |
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| 13:14.26 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: What CPU do you have? It only works in a small set of Intel CPUs. |
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| 13:14.55 | JyZyXEL | petn-randall: i3 mobile |
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| 13:17.34 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: IIRC it only ever worked with Pentium M processors. |
| 13:18.14 | JyZyXEL | o_o |
| 13:18.31 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: All the other CPU generations didn't expose the voltage control to the OS. |
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| 13:18.50 | JyZyXEL | well why is there a windows tool to adjust the voltage then? |
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| 13:19.24 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: There is? Show me. |
| 13:19.54 | JyZyXEL | http://forum.notebookreview.com/hardware-components-aftermarket-upgrades/235824-undervolting-guide.html |
| 13:20.27 | JyZyXEL | actually this one is in better format: http://dottech.org/4932/lower-the-temperatures-on-your-laptop-by-undervolting/ |
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| 13:24.25 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: I haven't tested it, and haven't found any reference that it works with core i processors, but if you find something, I'm interested. |
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| 13:24.55 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: Does that work with your CPU on Windows? |
| 13:25.02 | JyZyXEL | i don't have windows :\ |
| 13:25.28 | JyZyXEL | i do have a windows on a usb stick though, so i might boot up from that and try that tool |
| 13:25.47 | JyZyXEL | next time my laptop shuts down from overheating u_u |
| 13:26.13 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PHC <== seems to work on core i processors on Linux, too. |
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| 13:27.26 | JyZyXEL | hmm its not in debian repos? |
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| 13:28.36 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: nope, though it looks like it's technically possible (which I didn't know). |
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| 13:32.45 | TheBondX | Hi, i'd like to have a debian liveUSB with some applications installed. i don't wanna install them each time i boot. |
| 13:32.50 | JyZyXEL | im having trouble finding where to download it |
| 13:32.55 | TheBondX | i need some guide. |
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| 13:34.34 | petn-randall | TheBondX: Start the installer and install it onto the USB driver. |
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| 13:35.30 | JyZyXEL | this looks like one of those things you will never be able to compile succesfully :p |
| 13:35.52 | petn-randall | TheBondX: That is, get the debian network installer, make sure to install on the USB disk, make sure grub installs there, too. |
| 13:35.53 | abrotman | file an RFP |
| 13:36.22 | petn-randall | TheBondX: Your BIOS needs to support booting from USB disks, too. Otherwise it won't work. |
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| 13:37.04 | TheBondX | petn-randall: all ok, but will this be a liveUSB ? i mean is it read only ? md5sum of this usb will always be the same ? |
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| 13:38.05 | petn-randall | TheBondX: You want a read-only system, but don't want to install your packages every time again? How should that work? |
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| 13:39.57 | mmnicolas | TheBondX: use a persistent partition, the debian-live documentation is very nicely done, you shouldn't have any trouble |
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| 13:40.02 | TheBondX | petn-randall: i'd like to have a liveCD or usb, see when you run debian from CD-ROM when you reboot everything is gone , except the ones already in CD |
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| 13:40.47 | TheBondX | petn-randall: but i want this live CD a custom one, i don't wanna install pidgin each time i boot it. |
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| 13:41.10 | mmnicolas | TheBondX: see the live-build package and the debian-live documentation |
| 13:41.23 | petn-randall | TheBondX: Oh, I see. I guess you |
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| 13:41.42 | petn-randall | 'll have to spindle your own live image. |
| 13:42.52 | mmnicolas | or just use a cd AND a usb with a persistent partition |
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| 13:44.43 | TheBondX | mmnicolas: persistent partition means read only ? |
| 13:45.15 | anddam | on wheezy I'm experiencing this https://bugs.launchpad.net/raspbian/+bug/1080966 that is after installing lxde and adding startlxde to .xinitrc the lxde session doesn't properly start due to missing config files |
| 13:45.23 | mmnicolas | no, the live image is read-only, the persistent part just accumulates your changes and merge back when you reboot |
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| 13:45.39 | anddam | I cannot find it in BDO, I'm not sure if I'm searching wrong or if it's actually not there, can anyone confirm? |
| 13:46.19 | mmnicolas | so it's part ro, part rw, seamlessly appearing as one through aufs |
| 13:46.49 | mmnicolas | anddam: im sure they have their own channel |
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| 13:48.13 | JohnathonDoe | JyZyXEL: I want to do that exact same thing, but on a Debian box. Right now, I just limit the CPU frequency to 800 MHz using kernel params. |
| 13:48.32 | anddam | mmnicolas: but it's a debian issue |
| 13:48.34 | JyZyXEL | the code doesn't work for series 3 kernels |
| 13:48.46 | anddam | mmnicolas: it's a *packaging* issue |
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| 13:49.05 | JohnathonDoe | JyZyXEL: I need the series 3 kernel for wireless support. |
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| 13:50.19 | TheBondX | mmnicolas: have you used tails live CD ? |
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| 13:50.55 | JyZyXEL | one would think this issue got more attention.. |
| 13:51.33 | JyZyXEL | lowering the cpu voltage is such a win for laptops |
| 13:51.41 | mmnicolas | TheBondX: no, debian-live |
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| 13:52.18 | mmnicolas | anddam: is there any record of this happening in debian ? |
| 13:52.51 | JohnathonDoe | JyZyXEL: I agree. I have to use this one as an underclocked server, because it won't run ANYTHING other than a basic debian CLI without shutting down in less than 10 minutes. |
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| 13:54.11 | JyZyXEL | how frustrating having the hardware become so useless when one little voltage setting cannot be adjusted |
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| 13:54.54 | JyZyXEL | one possibility is to find the voltage regulator on the hardware, find its datasheet and see if the value can be adjusted by changing some resistor |
| 13:56.04 | anddam | mmnicolas: you mean apart my wheezy system? |
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| 13:57.12 | mmnicolas | not a wheezy tweaked by a third-party community, I mean a real wheezy, from a real installer |
| 13:57.52 | TheBondX | mmnicolas: no, the live image is read-only, the persistent part just accumulates your changes and merge back when you reboot. This leaves some logs that can be digged with data recovery tools ? |
| 13:57.53 | mmnicolas | does the workaround provided by in bug report works for you ? |
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| 13:58.06 | anddam | mmnicolas: I'm on a real wheezy, upgraded from official netinst, and I installed lxde and it won't start |
| 13:58.13 | anddam | the workaround makes it work |
| 13:58.31 | anddam | let me check if _deleting_ .config/lxpanel breaks it again |
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| 14:00.03 | invariant | Do I need a shell to su -c a command as a different user? |
| 14:00.07 | mmnicolas | TheBondX: you can tune it not to, but yes, that would be the default behavior to write stuff on that partition |
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| 14:00.26 | invariant | (does the different user needs a shell) |
| 14:00.46 | anddam | mmnicolas: this is funny, it doesn't break. I had a Xorg session that didn't show lxpanel on boot, I copied LXDE from /etc/xdg and lxpanel started, now removing .config/lxpanel doesn't make a difference |
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| 14:01.07 | abrotman | invariant: i believe you can specify a shell with the su command? |
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| 14:01.44 | anddam | mmnicolas: I'll mark it as not-a-bug (in my mind) |
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| 14:02.14 | TheBondX | mmnicolas: how can i tune it ? i want the live USB /or HDDpartition never write after i configure. Unless i tell it to do so if i'd like to install another package. |
| 14:02.18 | anddam | thanks |
| 14:02.22 | mmnicolas | anddam: because the monitor is detected ? if it's the exact same context as the other guy, you should go bump his thread and/or report the bug to debian |
| 14:03.16 | anddam | mmnicolas: the monitor was detected even before, I had lxde's root window background and wm but no panel, now I do |
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| 14:03.40 | mmnicolas | TheBondX: http://live.debian.net/manual/2.x/html/live-manual.en.html start with a good read |
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| 14:04.54 | pave-low | can somebody please tell me what the heck i did??? i ran mv $1/* /path/to/folder |
| 14:05.34 | mmnicolas | invariant: try it, disable someone's shell: 'usermod -s /bin/false testuser' |
| 14:05.35 | pave-low | apparently i moved everything somewhere of course breaking everything |
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| 14:07.22 | mmnicolas | pave-low: exactly that. boot up some live environment and move it back |
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| 14:08.42 | pave-low | mmnicolas: i presume that the "somewhere" would be /path/to/folder/ but how would i move everything back to their original positions??? |
| 14:09.37 | mmnicolas | is the /path/to/folder on the same partition as the root partition ? |
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| 14:11.14 | pave-low | no it's /var/www which is on a different partition than /, but none the less, i can't even run ls |
| 14:11.52 | mmnicolas | that's why I mentioned using a live disc |
| 14:12.23 | mmnicolas | so you have something you can work from |
| 14:12.47 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | how to pipe to ls? |
| 14:12.58 | TheBondX | mmnicolas: ok i will read it in detail. but can you tell me if it's possible to install pidgin package in a liveUSB by first booting it as rw ? next time when i use it, changes are gone as it was before. |
| 14:13.05 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I wanna pipe directory name i want to ls |
| 14:13.16 | xand | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: I don't believe ls reads from stdin |
| 14:13.16 | mmnicolas | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: that does not make any sens |
| 14:13.34 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | xand, Sad... any way to do it? |
| 14:13.44 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | mmnicolas, What exactly didnt you understand? |
| 14:13.52 | xand | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: what are you trying to achive? |
| 14:13.53 | xand | +e |
| 14:13.55 | mmnicolas | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: ls accepting input |
| 14:14.15 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | yeah, i tryed ls -l - thinking that the - gonna do it.... |
| 14:14.25 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | After that i removed - still no effect |
| 14:14.26 | xand | just ls /directory |
| 14:14.36 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | yeah. But i need to pipe. |
| 14:14.43 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | the directory |
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| 14:14.49 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | through, i now got a idea |
| 14:15.17 | xand | why? |
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| 14:15.38 | xand | use xargs |
| 14:15.49 | xand | something | xargs ls |
| 14:16.06 | mmnicolas | can we have the big picture ? whats the goal of this ? |
| 14:16.14 | realman94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.27 | xand | realman94: you're not allowed |
| 14:16.37 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I wanted to do find / | ls -l > file |
| 14:17.08 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | through. I now suddenly understood 1 thing |
| 14:17.10 | xand | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: find -ls or find -exec ls {} \; |
| 14:17.31 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | tnx |
| 14:17.33 | xand | or rather find -exec ls -l {} \; |
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| 14:22.14 | Janusz1 | Hi. where can I found audio drivers for dell gx260? |
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| 14:26.05 | mmnicolas | Janusz1: is that a decade old ? it should already work, have you checked your mixer settings |
| 14:27.16 | Janusz1 | mmnicolas: I just found that it's snd-intel8x0, I did modprobe snd-intel8x0, and now I get alsactl: load_state:1686: No soundcards found |
| 14:27.49 | Janusz1 | in lspci I don't see anythink about audio |
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| 14:29.20 | abrotman | Janusz1: could be disabled in the BIOS or busted |
| 14:29.34 | Janusz1 | abrotman: in win xp it's working |
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| 14:30.28 | abrotman | is this a laptop? |
| 14:30.40 | Janusz1 | no, pc |
| 14:30.44 | abrotman | Janusz1: run "update-pciids", and then pastebin the output of "lspci -nn" |
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| 14:32.11 | Janusz1 | http://pastebin.com/fvFvGrum |
| 14:32.26 | Janusz1 | but I will check one more time if I didn't turn this off in bios |
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| 14:33.09 | abrotman | gosh that thing must be old |
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| 14:35.52 | Janusz1 | ok, I did turn this off |
| 14:36.08 | Janusz1 | abrotman: yes, but it's not my pc |
| 14:36.17 | mmnicolas | this guy didnt seem to have any issue with any of the three gx260 : http://debian-survival.os-finder.com/d-i/Dell_OptiPlex000.html |
| 14:36.24 | abrotman | did turn what off? |
| 14:36.34 | Janusz1 | in bios audio controller |
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| 14:36.42 | abrotman | Janusz1: so it all works now? |
| 14:36.46 | Janusz1 | sory for bother |
| 14:36.55 | abrotman | Janusz1: good luck! |
| 14:37.05 | petn-randall | [6~[6~[6~[5~[6~[6~[6~[6~ |
| 14:37.54 | petn-randall | (woops, sorry) |
| 14:39.45 | Janusz1 | yes, I have sound now :) |
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| 14:40.22 | Janusz1 | Could you recomend me some light pdf document viewer? |
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| 14:40.25 | abrotman | Janusz1: xpdf or evince |
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| 14:40.56 | mmnicolas | I use epdfview, not disappointed |
| 14:40.58 | Janusz1 | thanks, I will check that |
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| 14:41.44 | petn-randall | Janusz1: evince has a GTK-only and a gnome version, just so you know. |
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| 14:43.29 | mmnicolas | epdfview still use gtk2 if you have a grudge agaisnt gtk3 :) |
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| 14:45.15 | Janusz1 | mmnicolas: installed xpdf, seems good for this pc |
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| 14:45.51 | potatoe | if i already have a package installed via apt and I compile a newer version of said package manually, will it conflict? |
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| 14:46.00 | potatoe | it is a critical package (openssh-server) so i can't remove it |
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| 14:46.15 | Janusz1 | it's only 512 mb of ram here, so I have to adjust software for this pc |
| 14:46.35 | mmnicolas | potatoe: if you do it properly with say apt-src, it'll build a proper package and it'll see it as an update |
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| 14:46.59 | abrotman | potatoe: why are you compiling a new version? |
| 14:46.59 | potatoe | mmnicolas: sorry I am a gentoo user, what is apt-src |
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| 14:47.13 | potatoe | abrotman: some patches (hpn etc) |
| 14:47.17 | abrotman | !tell potatoe about uupdate |
| 14:47.37 | mmnicolas | potatoe: a tool to build debs from source, requires a deb-src entry in your sources.list |
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| 14:47.54 | abrotman | ah, then update isn't for you .. grab the soruce, apply patches, compile as normal |
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| 14:48.21 | potatoe | abrotman: but when i make install wont it conflict? |
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| 14:48.53 | petn-randall | potatoe: Why are you recompiling it? |
| 14:48.59 | mmnicolas | abrotman: can't he just apt-src, apply his custom patches and continue the process until a .deb pops out ? |
| 14:49.11 | Janusz1 | is someone using midori? |
| 14:49.27 | potatoe | petn-randall: like I mentioned above, I need to apply custom patches |
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| 14:50.00 | mtn | Janusz1: please ask your real question |
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| 14:50.26 | mmnicolas | right, assuming the patches are for this specific version |
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| 14:51.09 | abrotman | potatoe: upgrade with your new package? |
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| 14:53.06 | potatoe | abrotman: does it do that automatically? |
| 14:53.17 | Janusz1 | mtn: I see that it is based on webkit, so there shouldn't be problems with not supported website or somthing like that, but what about performance? is it beter than firefox or chromium? |
| 14:53.23 | potatoe | i think ill give apt-src a try later (assuming the version has the patch) |
| 14:53.40 | mtn | Janusz1: it is light, why dont' |
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| 14:53.46 | mtn | don't you try it and see? |
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| 14:59.57 | light_ | hey is there any (debian) program where you can create your own music? |
| 15:00.15 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:00.39 | nkuttler | plenty |
| 15:00.47 | gizmore | ghex might work, allabit complicated |
| 15:01.04 | nkuttler | really depends on how you define "create music" |
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| 15:04.39 | veelium | hello, anybody here who can give me some guidance concerning xrandr+ati+hdmi |
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| 15:05.42 | acu_ | veelium: I use the proprietary version of ati - and they have their own graphic tool to change resolution and so on fglrx will install everything - what debian are you using |
| 15:06.01 | light_ | like you compose your own music |
| 15:06.01 | veelium | testing, I also have the proprietary version |
| 15:06.02 | acu_ | you may need to add non-free repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:06.26 | veelium | acu: do you mean aticonfig? |
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| 15:06.50 | veelium | acu: I've never used it after installing |
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| 15:08.16 | acu_ | well you are cool - after installing everyting you need to boot into single user cli and launch ati - I forgot the command exactly - ati first start something like this - then you log on in your GUI desktop - GNOME or KDE and launch an application dccde (somethingl like this) as root - that will allow you to configure how many screens possible etc - sorry for being vague but if you search based on what I told you in 5 minutes you ar |
| 15:08.17 | acu_ | e good |
| 15:09.32 | veelium | oh, thanks I'll look. the install guide I followed didn't mention any of this |
| 15:09.34 | acu_ | veelium: I know you never use it because 1) You need to activate it (ATI start from cli when you boot on cli single user |
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| 15:10.07 | acu_ | basically there are only two commands and you are ok - one is when you are as ATI config start |
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| 15:10.38 | veelium | well I remember running something after install but my memory is vague |
| 15:11.03 | acu_ | aticonfig --initial http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 15:11.28 | acu_ | veelium ^^^ |
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| 15:12.30 | veelium | yep that was it! |
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| 15:13.47 | veelium | I overlooked the amdcccle note at the bottom |
| 15:13.48 | boudiccas | you can flush swap with'swapoff' and 'swapon', but can you do something similar to ram please? |
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| 15:14.17 | abrotman | boudiccas: flush what? |
| 15:14.31 | boudiccas | swap. but can you flush ram? |
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| 15:15.38 | abrotman | flush what from RAM? |
| 15:15.46 | boudiccas | its contents |
| 15:15.54 | abrotman | you want to terminate the programs? |
| 15:15.57 | boudiccas | to reduce the memory size of it |
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| 15:16.22 | abrotman | what are you actually trying to do? |
| 15:16.38 | boudiccas | i can close everyhting down but its still got some stuff left in, is ti possible to flush that out please? |
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| 15:17.25 | boudiccas | thats what i want to do, but is it feasible? |
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| 15:17.45 | abrotman | Please stop being vague |
| 15:18.17 | boudiccas | i'm not being vague, its a diffcult concept to explain. |
| 15:18.19 | BackEndCoder | lol |
| 15:18.20 | daemonkeeper | boudiccas: It's not possible. Where would you like to flush memory to? To /dev/null? Stop programs. To some magic data store? Well, you solved all memory problems forever. |
| 15:18.26 | BackEndCoder | if only i could say that to people at work |
| 15:18.28 | abrotman | boudiccas: what and why are you trying to do this? |
| 15:18.43 | abrotman | tell us why you think this is required |
| 15:19.18 | boudiccas | the programs are run from ram and when they close down and release the ram not all of it is released, you dont get 100% back. what i'd like to do is to issue a command that will give 100% of ram back tobe used again |
| 15:19.36 | abrotman | boudiccas: give us a concrete example with pastes that show the problem |
| 15:19.44 | boudiccas | its just an idea i've got |
| 15:19.56 | daemonkeeper | I can tell you why this would be required. We all run out of memory at some point. Wouldn't you like it to be magically free again abrotman but retain running programs? :> |
| 15:19.59 | zykotick9 | boudiccas: you might want to consult http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ for a linux RAM explanation |
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| 15:20.09 | erre | boudiccas: why wouldn't they give you all the RAM back? |
| 15:20.21 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: mmm magic |
| 15:20.22 | STMelon | boudiccas: this will clear your ram cache......... ----> echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
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| 15:20.36 | abrotman | boudiccas: you're not making sense because you're not telling us what you actaully want to do |
| 15:20.58 | erre | boudiccas: do you know how ram works? |
| 15:21.02 | boudiccas | abrotman: flush the b***y ram to regain 100% usage again |
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| 15:21.10 | erre | because you're not making sense |
| 15:21.30 | veelium | acu: amdccle shows me the connection and recognizes the tv but the screen stays blank, any ideas? |
| 15:21.56 | jhutchins | boudiccas: I don't think you fully understand Linux memory management. |
| 15:21.59 | abrotman | boudiccas: what makes you think you haven't released the memorY? PASTE IT |
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| 15:22.13 | abrotman | boudiccas: giving us your vague notions of what is supposed to happen isn't going to work. |
| 15:22.20 | boudiccas | jhutchins: true |
| 15:22.27 | abrotman | boudiccas: you likely have a misunderstanding of how this works |
| 15:22.44 | boudiccas | abrotman: fair enough, it was just an idea i had |
| 15:22.45 | jhutchins | boudiccas: I believe there have been OSs that had that kind of problem, but I've never heard of it happening in Linux. |
| 15:23.01 | jhutchins | boudiccas: Once you've killed a program, the kernel recovers the memory. |
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| 15:23.27 | abrotman | boudiccas: you're probably looking at the buffers/cache as not being released, but that's not a big deal, it will get reclaimed as needed |
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| 15:23.29 | abrotman | !tell boudiccas about free ram |
| 15:23.42 | jhutchins | boudiccas: You can still have "memory leaks" while a program is running, where it doesn't release memory when it's done with it, and allocates more and more, but those are solved by killing the program. |
| 15:24.07 | jhutchins | boudiccas: It's one of the reasons Linux doesn't need to be rebooted except to install a new kernel. |
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| 15:24.27 | erre | btw, what's the point of having 100% free memory? |
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| 15:25.02 | zykotick9 | erre: good point. free memory, is wasted memory ;) |
| 15:25.22 | erre | ;) |
| 15:25.28 | KsM | 11:20.11 < STMelon> boudiccas: this will clear your ram cache......... ----> echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
| 15:25.34 | STMelon | boudiccas: this website explains what linux actually does with your ram |
| 15:25.40 | KsM | STMelon: that will also get you data loss |
| 15:25.54 | KsM | if you're going to do that, you should use sync first |
| 15:25.58 | STMelon | just because it "looks" like all your ram is used... also means it caches it for the next time you load up the program |
| 15:26.01 | STMelon | http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
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| 15:27.22 | markovh | i'm late to the conversation, who originally had the query and why are they trying to flush disk cache? |
| 15:27.49 | erre | markovh: boudiccas is trying to "flush ram" |
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| 15:30.34 | ToApolytoXaos | question: i have added certain applications in my $PATH and from terminal finds them properly if i run their name partially and press tab. |
| 15:30.37 | KsM | boudiccas: su root -c 'sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches' |
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| 15:30.55 | ToApolytoXaos | that verifies to me that works properly. why run command from GUIs like Gnome and MATE cannot find them? |
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| 15:31.20 | KsM | ToApolytoXaos: they probably don't have a .desktop file |
| 15:31.29 | ToApolytoXaos | ah i see |
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| 15:32.10 | erre | ToApolytoXaos: they may be only on THAT terminals PATH |
| 15:32.11 | markovh | ToApolytoXaos: are you setting it in .bashrc? |
| 15:32.20 | markovh | try setting it in your .profile and logging out and back in again |
| 15:32.23 | jhutchins | That's disk caches, which is not what boudiccas is asking about. |
| 15:32.35 | ToApolytoXaos | markovh, yes in .bashrc |
| 15:32.53 | erre | ToApolytoXaos: you can make links in /bin |
| 15:33.23 | jhutchins | There were in fact operating systems where a program would reserve memory and that memory would not be released when the program closed, or if it crashed, but Linux afik has never had that problem. |
| 15:34.04 | ToApolytoXaos | is it wrong that i have done it in .bashrc? |
| 15:34.19 | jhutchins | The worst i've seen in linux is crashed programs leaving file locks. |
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| 15:35.14 | krisfremen | jhutchins: zombie processes! I've had plenty of them |
| 15:35.37 | KsM | I don't think zombie processes use ram |
| 15:35.54 | jhutchins | ToApolytoXaos: What you're trying to firure out is where the environment is set within X - paths and variables. To be honest, I'm not sure, but it's not the same as what's set in bash. |
| 15:36.31 | ToApolytoXaos | jhutchins, OK, i will try to do the same process in .profile |
| 15:37.15 | KsM | I think desktop environments and such use .desktop files; located somewhere around in /usr/share |
| 15:37.24 | KsM | I think /usr/share/applications |
| 15:38.24 | jhutchins | ToApolytoXaos: We used to log in to bash, then start X within the bash shell, but that's no longer the case. I suggest you find out what sets it (?dm?) and how. |
| 15:38.35 | erre | ToApolytoXaos: no |
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| 15:39.04 | jhutchins | KsM: I don't think .desktop file set environment. They're usually shortcuts/menu items. |
| 15:39.23 | jhutchins | There is xinitrc but that's not honored by several desktops. |
| 15:39.38 | KsM | well, he wants to have his programs in his DE, yes? |
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| 15:40.14 | ToApolytoXaos | i have just tested it with .profile and behaves the same |
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| 15:40.21 | KsM | the applications list / programs menu / whatever in MATE/GNOME/XFCE and others, I'm pretty sure, use the /usr/share/applications |
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| 15:40.30 | ToApolytoXaos | it tries to find the file in /home/<user>/ |
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| 15:42.11 | erre | ToApolytoXaos: have you tryed with "ln" in /bin? |
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| 15:42.34 | ToApolytoXaos | erre: who said about /usr/bin /bin or whatsoever? |
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| 15:43.07 | erre | ToApolytoXaos: wth... I did |
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| 15:43.24 | ToApolytoXaos | the apps i'm using are eclipse and Lua |
| 15:43.30 | ToApolytoXaos | they don't have bin included |
| 15:43.37 | erre | oh god |
| 15:43.48 | erre | make a freaking link with ln yourself |
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| 15:44.17 | ToApolytoXaos | who told you i haven't done so in /CUSTOM_APPS/ ? |
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| 15:44.33 | erre | you haven't told me the opposite |
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| 15:44.57 | erre | so wth man, am I supposed to read your mind? or your disk? |
| 15:45.06 | jhutchins | erre: I think we're trying to understand how it works instead of just a quick fix. |
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| 15:45.24 | erre | jhutchins: it's ok ;) |
| 15:45.28 | ToApolytoXaos | anyway, i will find it myself |
| 15:45.55 | erre | ToApolytoXaos: "< ToApolytoXaos> anyway, i will find it myself", alright, so, why ask? |
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| 15:46.12 | erre | don't answer, I'm getting mad as hell |
| 15:46.23 | ToApolytoXaos | erre, obviously i did not know you would behave like this and the last thing i want is an argument. |
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| 15:47.12 | erre | ToApolytoXaos: I'm like this because I told you the /bin thing more than once already, and you just ignored me, so sorry for behaving like this |
| 15:47.30 | anddam | jhutchins: don't DEs follow a freedesktop.org standard or so for application? |
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| 15:48.14 | jhutchins | anddam: Some do. |
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| 15:48.41 | ToApolytoXaos | erre, I did not notice you mentioned that. no need to make a fuss about it |
| 15:48.53 | jhutchins | anddam: That's why it's possible to have similar menues in several desktops on the same box. |
| 15:49.50 | anddam | jhutchins: desktops == DE? |
| 15:50.37 | erre | anddam: Deskot Environment |
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| 15:50.45 | erre | *Desktop |
| 15:50.45 | jhutchins | anddam: Yes. |
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| 15:52.37 | acu | veelium: sorry I did not pay attention - once you do amdccle you need to reboot (or logout) I forgot - I know preety inconvenient - but that how it works - change the settings then reboot and you will see |
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| 15:55.44 | jhutchins | Some desktops you can put settings and startup programs in .xinitrc, but there are other desktops that won't start if that file has anything in it. |
| 15:55.47 | lucas1 | hello, I'm running debian sid and trying to install ifuse, but ifuse is asking to install fuse-utils which is a virtual package. How to bypass that verification? |
| 15:56.07 | apm1 | impossible if its a dependency |
| 15:56.29 | lucas1 | so the solution is? because ifuse won't install |
| 15:56.43 | apm1 | is it not in the repos ? |
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| 15:56.53 | lucas1 | no |
| 15:56.56 | jhutchins | apm1: Run an actual release that's meant to be functional. |
| 15:56.59 | lucas1 | it says it's a virtual package |
| 15:57.17 | apm1 | jhutchins, idek whats ifuse |
| 15:57.18 | ompaul | lucas1: pastebin the following the exact command you are using the error message, and your /etc/apt/sources.list please |
| 15:57.21 | dondelelcaro | lucas1: install fuse |
| 15:57.27 | jhutchins | lucas1: That happens in sid. You can either build the package yoruself or wait for it to be updated. |
| 15:57.30 | ompaul | lucas1: using http://paste.debian.net |
| 15:57.33 | apm1 | i was just commenting on dependencies |
| 15:58.07 | lucas1 | ompaul: ok, I'll try rebuilding the package |
| 15:58.09 | jpinx | which works? ddrescue or dd_rescue ? I need to recover some files from a hdd which has lost its partition table |
| 15:58.20 | lucas1 | can't paste the output, because it's in spanish |
| 15:58.26 | lucas1 | thank for the help |
| 15:58.42 | dondelelcaro | lucas1: anyway, this bug is #698126 |
| 15:59.13 | dondelelcaro | lucas1: you can temporarily work around it by installing a fuse-utils transitional package from an earlier release |
| 16:01.54 | lucas1 | I think I'm going to make the package myself, don't want to mess with dependencies of another flavor |
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| 16:02.10 | lucas1 | thank you all for the answers |
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| 16:07.16 | jhutchins | !bcm4401 |
| 16:07.16 | dpkg | b44 is a driver supporting PCI devices based on Broadcom 44xx/47xx Fast Ethernet (100 Mbit/s) controllers. It is part of the Linux kernel and does not require <firmware> from userspace. |
| 16:08.19 | apm1 | !bcm4430 |
| 16:08.40 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | i have installed linux-sources-3.2. It seems this file (linux-patch-3.2-rt.patch) is a some sort of a patch. Should/how do i apply it? |
| 16:08.52 | olegfusion | !ath8250 |
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| 16:10.14 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Is there anything i should do with it? |
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| 16:12.27 | milligan | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE, I'm in unfamiliar territory.. but there did you get this .patch file from ? |
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| 16:12.33 | milligan | s/there/where |
| 16:13.49 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | milligan, I got it with the package |
| 16:14.10 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | apt-get install linux-sources-3.2 and voila! i got 2 files in /usr/src |
| 16:14.14 | milligan | So you installed using apt-get install, and you've found some .patch? |
| 16:14.20 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Yeah |
| 16:14.25 | milligan | No need to do anything with the .patch then afaik |
| 16:14.38 | apm1 | bcm 4331 |
| 16:14.38 | apm1 | !bcm4331 |
| 16:14.38 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4331 is a PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chip using a HT PHY (PCI ID 14e4:4331). Supported by the <b43> driver as of Linux 3.2, not supported by the <brcmsmac> or <wl> drivers. |
| 16:14.46 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | I am googling it.... |
| 16:14.47 | apm1 | ah finally |
| 16:14.56 | milligan | As far as I know, a .patch is only applied to source code, and you'd have to apt-src or something to get anything to work with. |
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| 16:15.47 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | i found this page about it: http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm#Unpack |
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| 16:17.19 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | it seems its just some optional patch |
| 16:17.35 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | that isnt very ready |
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| 16:37.42 | abrotman | is that a pakcage or a file ? |
| 16:37.56 | Stameni | its a pakcage i guess, its a game |
| 16:38.04 | abrotman | !tell Stameni about contrib |
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| 16:40.52 | Stameni | abrotman, tnx, isnt that package in wheezy ? on packages.deban.org it is listed in wheezy |
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| 16:41.02 | Stameni | why then, i cannot find it using apt-get ? |
| 16:41.23 | kimspindel | maybe apt-cache search it |
| 16:41.34 | Stameni | returns nothing |
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| 16:46.36 | ardvarticus | Hey, I've got a problem with DPKG , or maybe xrdp |
| 16:46.56 | ardvarticus | I'm running a headless server, and I'm trying to install some packaged with dpkg |
| 16:47.13 | ardvarticus | I started off with xrdp, but dpkg is now stuck installing it |
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| 16:47.48 | ardvarticus | it reports "starting Remote Desktop Protocol Server : xrdp is apparently already running" |
| 16:48.28 | ardvarticus | I've tried restarting dpkg with "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock; sudo dpkg --configure -a" but it returns to the same place when dpgk restarts |
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| 16:48.47 | ardvarticus | Any ideas? |
| 16:49.02 | ardvarticus | The issue has persisted across a couple restarts |
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| 16:50.49 | ardvarticus | The system is not frozen; I can open another SSH session in; top says that plymouthd is taking up 100% cpu |
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| 16:51.01 | rabby | hi |
| 16:51.11 | phasma | may i request advice on the best way to go about dynamically creating users for dovecot? Right now, I am manually creating via the mysql prompt |
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| 16:51.29 | phasma | i'd just like this to be scriptable (but also safe) |
| 16:52.05 | rabby | istn't `time` allowed in cronjobs? `which time` makes me feel that this is not a real binary. |
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| 17:01.49 | ksuhku | rabby, you probably just need to escape some chars in the time format |
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| 17:07.23 | zykotick9 | rabby: "which time" show /usr/bin/time on my wheezy box. are you getting the built-in instead? |
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| 17:09.11 | bolt | in X, i normally have a small and neat black mouse cursor. however, in icedove and iceweasel, it changes into a huge white thing. how can I set the cursor for those kinds of applications? using awesome wm, so i'll probably have to install something to control it |
| 17:09.47 | gizmore | bolt: i hope that huge white thing is not fluid when you iceweasel |
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| 17:10.14 | bolt | ... |
| 17:11.17 | acovatelmos | your friend iceweasel....mmm.....call me |
| 17:11.36 | gizmore | Happy Easter, debain community! ;) |
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| 17:11.50 | jhutchins | Is it Sunday already? |
| 17:12.01 | somiaj | bolt: some applications (such as iceweasel) use their own mouse icons. You wm can sometimes override this, but you may have to ask the people with awseome WM support or docs on how to do it. |
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| 17:12.52 | zykotick9 | bolt: just for info, i'm using awesome, and my cursor doesn't change in iceweasel... good luck. |
| 17:13.46 | somiaj | yea mine doesn't chnage in fvwm either...hmm, thought iceweasle, so might be awsome WM setting you have somewhere |
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| 17:14.49 | bolt | the word "cursor" isn't even in the config files for awesome. i don't think it deals with that by default |
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| 17:20.35 | bolt | jhutchins: soon, why? |
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| 17:25.45 | bolt | to answer my own question for future reference: lxappearance can be used to change gtk themes and mouse cursors while in awesome |
| 17:26.45 | rryoumaa | "pointer" is a term often used to distinguish the x windows mouse indicator from text cursors |
| 17:27.04 | rryoumaa | i never say cursor for the mouse becasue it is confusing |
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| 17:27.58 | bolt | that's why i prepend "mouse" to it. it's a common term |
| 17:29.03 | jhutchins | Some_Person: route6? |
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| 17:30.22 | bolt | the mouse cursor tab in lxappearance is even called "mouse cursor", btw |
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| 17:31.57 | xand | mouse pointer |
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| 17:32.33 | bolt | call it whatever you want |
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| 17:34.14 | bolt | "cursor", noun, "a movable indicator on a computer screen identifying the point that will be affected by input from the user". it follows that a "mouse cursor" indicates point affected by mouse input, no? |
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| 17:35.09 | ompaul | gets out his gold pedant stars and gets ready to distribute them |
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| 17:36.08 | ompaul | tbh mouse cursor is in my mind what is outside X, and pointer / mouse in X but that's my mind, ymmv |
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| 17:38.38 | ompaul | as for the original question it is not usual to have changing cursors at this time in awesome, they have some patches but don't seem to make them mainline yet (I may have some docs to read yet) |
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| 17:45.27 | ompaul | acovatelmos: is that a debian question? |
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| 17:48.58 | ompaul | acovatelmos: ENOPARSE |
| 17:49.17 | bolt | 500 |
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| 17:50.19 | bolt | heh. just uninstalling every cursor theme i had on the system left me with the default x mouse cursor in gtk apps too :) |
| 17:50.50 | bolt | wonder how the dmz-cursor-theme got on there in the first place. aptitude couldn't tell me why it was there. |
| 17:52.33 | ompaul | apt-cache depends and rdepends and apt-file are all useful |
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| 17:54.24 | dutchfish | acovatelmos, rephrase please. |
| 17:54.24 | bolt | i say about 42 |
| 17:55.26 | acovatelmos | are you saiying 1529 321c 10h 8====D |
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| 17:56.00 | acovatelmos | 1520? |
| 17:56.32 | acovatelmos | you say fingerslip? i do not. |
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| 18:02.24 | rabby | zykotick9: my time seems to be built-in. no result for which time and no time in /usr/bin/. |
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| 18:11.46 | ompaul | rabby: type which date |
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| 18:16.07 | rryoumaa | is there any reason not to use a swap file? in what circumstances would you ever want a swap partition? |
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| 18:16.28 | KsM | hibernating on a fully encrypted partition |
| 18:16.44 | dutchfish | rryoumaa, to prevent a system breakdown when you run out of memmory |
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| 18:17.10 | kasploosh | I have a system with a lot of RAM that I have run out of memory. :c) |
| 18:17.12 | KsM | dutchfish: he said swap file vs swap partition |
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| 18:17.39 | kasploosh | Oh right, file vs. partition. |
| 18:17.56 | dutchfish | KsM, you are right, my mistake. |
| 18:18.26 | rryoumaa | KsM: how so? |
| 18:18.51 | MACscr | so i needed to change the network interface name from eth3 to eth1 and i went ahead and updated that in network/interfaces and rules.d/70-persistent….. Anyway, what else do i need to do besides restarting networking? |
| 18:18.53 | rryoumaa | and is hibernating only for laptops? |
| 18:19.02 | KsM | no |
| 18:19.31 | rabby | ompaul: date is found, but not really the right tool for tracking the runtime of a command. |
| 18:19.32 | rryoumaa | why is partition better? |
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| 18:19.44 | dutchfish | rryoumaa, performance |
| 18:19.53 | ompaul | rabby: I looked back, you want crontab -e if root wants it |
| 18:20.05 | dutchfish | rryoumaa, and there are circumstances you want it on another spindle |
| 18:20.12 | rryoumaa | dutchfish: i heard performance was identical, because the kernel understands what you are doing |
| 18:20.36 | rryoumaa | you can't use file on another spindle? |
| 18:20.53 | Janusz1 | how can I add priviliges to shutdown for normal users? |
| 18:20.57 | Janusz1 | on wheezy? |
| 18:21.04 | dutchfish | rryoumaa, while the kernel might, the file system you use determines if it is really the same performance, think lvm, iscsii and lots of others |
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| 18:21.45 | dutchfish | rryoumaa, if we are talking desktop with a decent FS, performance does not differ much |
| 18:22.08 | ompaul | rryoumaa: the advise is use one, or failures can take on new and unusual formats, as for spindle it's a distraction most people stick 2xram on and live with it, unless you have a brilliant rational not to, (and if you I for one would love to hear it,) the standard is make it happen |
| 18:22.33 | ompaul | s/you/you do/ |
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| 18:23.23 | ompaul | rabby: if you don't find it there, the crontab of the running user, if that fails then maybe some program / daemon is running a job based on it running itself |
| 18:23.29 | rryoumaa | ompaul: the standard is to have 2x ram in a swap partition? |
| 18:23.31 | ompaul | rabby: which one |
| 18:23.47 | ompaul | rryoumaa: that's what I said, you can run to 2.5 times |
| 18:23.59 | dutchfish | rryoumaa, doing real world tests when the system runs with memory pressure quickly reveals the difference. Don't believe me, test it. |
| 18:24.15 | ompaul | dutchfish: don't be giving useful info on irc tut tut ;-) |
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| 18:24.41 | ompaul | rabby: which one as in which program or job is being called in case it is standard and we know |
| 18:24.42 | piti-piti | bonsoir |
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| 18:24.47 | ompaul | !fr |
| 18:24.47 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 18:24.49 | rryoumaa | 2x 8gb is 16gb which is fairly big on an ssd. tempting to run without swap. |
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| 18:25.15 | acovatelmos | try a german elite server as komatu.german-elite.net |
| 18:25.22 | ompaul | rryoumaa: in that case why not stick in a gig and give yourself some living room - but as I said standards |
| 18:25.51 | KsM | is swap even safe on an ssd |
| 18:25.59 | dutchfish | rryoumaa, if space is precious in that example, 1 8GB will do as well (its just a safety net) |
| 18:26.00 | Stameni | i really need help installing assaultcube in wheezy, can you help ? i dont know where to find deb package. Its not in repositories |
| 18:26.26 | rryoumaa | KsM: don't know, is it? |
| 18:26.51 | acovatelmos | am the fuckin guy? |
| 18:26.59 | DesertFox | Stameni, http://assault.cubers.net/download.html tada |
| 18:27.07 | KsM | I'd think if it was used much, swap on an ssd would wear it out relatively fast |
| 18:27.07 | dutchfish | KsM, it is, unless it is file based and your ssd start garbage collection on a critical moment |
| 18:27.23 | Stameni | DesertFox, tnx, but there is no configure in there so i dont know how to install :/ |
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| 18:27.39 | DesertFox | Did you go through the readme? |
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| 18:27.57 | acovatelmos | useitemwer |
| 18:28.03 | ksuhku | !ops acovatelmos spam |
| 18:28.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ksuhku complains about: acovatelmos spam |
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| 18:28.17 | Stameni | no, i didn't... |
| 18:28.26 | DesertFox | PRO tip, read the instructions |
| 18:28.33 | Stameni | i will |
| 18:28.45 | acovatelmos | ++ |
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| 18:38.11 | Stameni | i have a problem, assault cube dropped my screen resolution to 800 x 600 and when i ( nor anymore running assaultcube ) try to change resolution back to default ( 1920 x 1080 ) it turns off my monitor and i cant do anything |
| 18:38.43 | Stameni | nuw its running fine ( after reboot ) but still in low resolution |
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| 18:41.59 | ompaul | Stameni: now try to increase your resolution using your DE |
| 18:43.24 | Stameni | ompaul, can u please explain further, i don't know what DE stands for |
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| 18:44.05 | rww | desktop environment. GNOME or KDE or whatever |
| 18:44.34 | Stameni | whel, when i do that ( in system settings ), gnome, it turns my monitor off and i cant do anything |
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| 18:45.39 | mainas | what version of gnome are you running Stameni ? What release of Debian? |
| 18:45.47 | Stameni | wheezy rc |
| 18:46.01 | Stameni | gnom 3.4 i think |
| 18:46.14 | mainas | ah, have no experience with gnome 3, sorry |
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| 18:47.21 | ksuhku | does the same happen if you use xrander Stameni ? |
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| 18:49.19 | Stameni | ksuhku, tnx, it works when i change it using xrandr -s |
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| 18:49.42 | ksuhku | Stameni, perhaps put that in a script when you run the game |
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| 18:50.54 | Stameni | ksuhku, i think that maby not all dependencies are resolved cause i installed it from "source", didn'i found deb package |
| 18:51.46 | ksuhku | , version assaultcube |
| 18:51.47 | judd | Package: assaultcube on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1.0.4repack1-3; sid/contrib: 1.1.0.4+dfsg2-1; wheezy/contrib: 1.1.0.4+dfsg2-1 |
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| 18:52.12 | Stameni | judd, how do I add contrib to wheezy ? i didnt add anything since install |
| 18:52.28 | ksuhku | like any other version: edit sources.list |
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| 18:56.39 | Some_Person | What DE does the multi-arch DVD include? |
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| 18:58.02 | abrotman | probably a few |
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| 19:10.50 | petn-randall | Stameni: judd is a bot. |
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| 19:17.33 | Guest88986 | trying to install a deb package that has dependencies that dont exist in the debian repos |
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| 19:18.00 | Guest88986 | is there a document somewhere that describes howto make it work |
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| 19:18.35 | Guest88986 | like if i dpkg all the right versions of libraries it needs from say ubuntu repos i dont want to break my system |
| 19:18.48 | Guest88986 | is there a way i could contain all the libraries somehow |
| 19:18.51 | Guest88986 | idk |
| 19:19.17 | un214 | I think you can add a source repro pointing at ubuntu's source and try apt-get -b on each package in turn |
| 19:19.17 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 19:19.17 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 19:19.48 | Guest88986 | hmm |
| 19:19.57 | un214 | an alternative I used to use was install ubuntu in a chroot jail |
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| 19:20.02 | petn-randall | Guest88986: What specifically are you trying to install? Maybe there's a simpler alternative. |
| 19:20.08 | Guest88986 | steam |
| 19:20.37 | un214 | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/03/04/1716213/gamer-rewrites-valves-steam-installer-for-debian |
| 19:20.54 | petn-randall | Guest88986: That requires a libc6 not even in sid. I would strongly suggest not to update that on your Debian, it may break a lot of things. |
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| 19:21.32 | un214 | in this case, ubuntu in chroot sounds like a winning move |
| 19:21.35 | Guest88986 | i like the sounds of the chroot jail |
| 19:22.10 | un214 | I forget if it's schroot or dchroot you're interested in to run it |
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| 19:22.13 | MACscr | petn-randall: so i found out my system was booting, i just couldnt see the console because of all the continues errors. I suppressed them from console and had the DC remove the unused SAS drives and everything is good to go now concerning my drives |
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| 19:22.27 | MACscr | er, continuous |
| 19:22.40 | rryoumaa | MACscr: what did the screen look like? |
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| 19:23.09 | Guest88986 | so i could have a franken chroot that i can dpkg from a random mess and break it all i want? |
| 19:23.11 | petn-randall | MACscr: ATA errors are nothing you should ignore. Silencing the errors will *not* fix your system. |
| 19:23.19 | MACscr | rryoumaa: no worries, its behind me at this point. I was just updating him on the the progress from last night |
| 19:23.41 | un214 | Guest88986: the idea is to make an empty dir, then debootstrap ubuntu inside it |
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| 19:23.53 | MACscr | petn-randall: they were coming from unused drives. They are gone. The errors happened because i had sas drives connected to a sata controller |
| 19:23.54 | un214 | !schroot |
| 19:23.54 | dpkg | schroot is, like, an easy way of setting up a chroot of testing or unstable within your installation of stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/Kde4schroot and http://linuxgazette.net/150/kapil.html |
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| 19:24.07 | MACscr | i removed the drives, case closed |
| 19:24.12 | un214 | only in this case s/unstable/ubuntu/ |
| 19:24.21 | petn-randall | MACscr: oh, ok. Good work then :). Glad it worked out. |
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| 19:24.27 | Guest88986 | ok thank you |
| 19:24.28 | MACscr | and all i did was suppress them from console, they were still logged to syslog of course |
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| 19:24.35 | Guest88986 | sounds awesome |
| 19:24.44 | petn-randall | MACscr: sounds like the right way to go :) |
| 19:25.37 | MACscr | ok, so my new issue is with my network cards. Ive statically setup 4 nics, but ive only gotten my wan connection to work (eth1). Am i missing something simple? http://pastie.org/pastes/7186669/text |
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| 19:27.05 | abrotman | MACscr: what do you mean only the one works? are the others up? |
| 19:28.31 | petn-randall | MACscr: they don't come up automatically the way there configured. And 'mtu 9000' looks a little weird to me. Do the NICs support such big frame sizes? |
| 19:28.43 | petn-randall | s/there/they're/ |
| 19:29.00 | MACscr | abrotman: yes. Im not able to ping the other local lan ip's. Though whats odd is that it says "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted" |
| 19:29.23 | MACscr | petn-randall: yes they do, they are intel pro nics |
| 19:29.39 | MACscr | so should i add auto ethX to each one? |
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| 19:30.21 | petn-randall | MACscr: you can always bring them up manually with ifup. But if they should come up automatically, you need the 'auto ethX' line for each of them. |
| 19:30.25 | MACscr | or do i do that all on one line? aka: auto lo eth0 eth1, etc? |
| 19:30.44 | petn-randall | MACscr: uh, dunno, check the man page. |
| 19:30.53 | petn-randall | MACscr: man interfaces |
| 19:31.12 | abrotman | MACscr: route -n .. might help |
| 19:31.19 | MACscr | though i had already brought them up manually, so unfortunately that doesnt solve the main issue |
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| 19:32.26 | Guest27561 | guest111 |
| 19:32.53 | MACscr | yep, all on one line. cool |
| 19:33.58 | MACscr | abrotman: setting up static routes is still needed for lan communication? |
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| 19:34.54 | MACscr | i dont think i ever had to do that with centos 5 (thats where most my experience lives) |
| 19:35.07 | abrotman | MACscr: route -n shows us the routes |
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| 19:35.45 | MACscr | abrotman: here is the output http://pastie.org/pastes/7186746/text |
| 19:36.18 | abrotman | MACscr: can things ping your NICs? |
| 19:36.33 | MACscr | as in themselves? |
| 19:36.56 | MACscr | or other nics on the lan? which I cant |
| 19:37.32 | DesertFox | is your router blocking imcp? |
| 19:37.42 | petn-randall | MACscr: check with mii-tool or ethtool if they're connected properly. |
| 19:37.52 | MACscr | DesertFox: nope and i have iptables currently set to not apply to the extra nics |
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| 19:38.34 | MACscr | petn-randall: yep, ive confirmed they all have active links |
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| 19:38.55 | DesertFox | and i assume for shits and giggles you jsut shut off iptables for a sec to rule that out? |
| 19:39.10 | rryoumaa | MACscr: still wondering what it looked like |
| 19:39.23 | MACscr | rryoumaa: what did? |
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| 19:40.12 | rryoumaa | your console |
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| 19:45.27 | MACscr | oh, for the sas issue? http://www.screencast.com/t/5ZWqYkEfl |
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| 19:46.22 | MACscr | DesertFox: i did, but all it did was have the ping stall instead of that error. very weird either way |
| 19:47.22 | MACscr | DesertFox: crap, that is the issue. wth |
| 19:47.32 | MACscr | i needed to disable it on both |
| 19:47.39 | DesertFox | check your rules. |
| 19:47.56 | DesertFox | typo? |
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| 19:49.26 | MACscr | yep, i missed a setting. my bad. Thanks guys |
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| 19:52.05 | Guest88986 | if i want to bootstrap ubuntu do you need to download the bootstrap from ubuntu? |
| 19:52.27 | ompaul | Guest88986: you ask in #ubuntu and they will tell you all |
| 19:52.31 | Guest88986 | i guess the question is, is the bootstrap script specific to what your rying to bootstrap to |
| 19:52.42 | Guest88986 | or can you pass it arguments to get any system |
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| 19:53.20 | petn-randall | ompaul: he's trying to make a ubuntu chroot on his debian system. |
| 19:54.02 | ompaul | wow it's an olde wiki page |
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| 19:55.28 | ompaul | as I understand it, debootstrap is only for debian |
| 19:55.36 | ompaul | from reading the man page |
| 19:55.54 | ompaul | and kicking off some sid stuff |
| 19:55.59 | Guest88986 | well say you were trying to bootstrap latest debian |
| 19:56.14 | Guest88986 | do you need the specific bootstrap for it |
| 19:56.27 | ompaul | this is how you do it it's actually all in the man page http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?sektion=8&query=debootstrap&apropos=0&manpath=sid&locale=en |
| 19:56.29 | Guest88986 | or you can pass any bootstrap arguments to get the latest |
| 19:56.43 | Guest88986 | k |
| 19:56.45 | ompaul | tyhere is a lovely example at the foot of it |
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| 20:02.06 | NightPorter | Hi |
| 20:02.19 | NightPorter | i think how distr choice |
| 20:02.27 | NightPorter | ubuntu or debian ) |
| 20:03.15 | ompaul | dpkg: tell NightPorter why debian |
| 20:03.29 | ompaul | dpkg: tell NightPorter about why debian |
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| 20:04.15 | Some_Person | What DE does the multi-arch DVD include? |
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| 20:07.58 | ompaul | Some_Person: that was answered on oftc |
| 20:08.06 | ompaul | Some_Person: please keep questions to one irc server |
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| 20:16.03 | steve334 | When does Debian ask me to "Do you want to continue [Y/n]?"? For example: http://perl.nopaste.dk/p40356 Is this asked in case there extra packages installed? |
| 20:16.09 | Xabster | Hi, I want to make a service (possibly using debians init script thingies) and I'd like my program to stop gracefully.. how is it done? |
| 20:16.44 | ompaul | service foo stop |
| 20:17.12 | ompaul | or more than that you want to make a proper script for a package? |
| 20:17.17 | Xabster | how will my program know that it's been asked to stop gracefully? |
| 20:17.26 | Xabster | it's a custom java program |
| 20:17.42 | Xabster | i'd like to trigger some code that shuts down various things first, might take several minutes |
| 20:17.44 | ompaul | that's up to you to tell it to end when you input X Y or some such |
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| 20:18.28 | Xabster | what would i write to "tell it" that? |
| 20:18.45 | Xabster | can i send a command via normal standard input? |
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| 20:19.35 | rww | steve334: yes |
| 20:19.38 | erre | Xabster: look at scripts in /etc/init.d |
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| 20:20.00 | Coweatar | Xabster: normally a process is sent a signal to kill it, look at what's common in other init scripts and write your program and script to use those signals |
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| 20:33.07 | xmb | sorry a question .. whats the kernel cmdline to expliciply exclude a builtin to be loaded ? |
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| 20:34.53 | Hans_Henrik | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/31037 << have same problem as this guy, vino-server use 100% cpu after.. several hours of ideling after reboot while "gnome remote-desktop" thing enabled |
| 20:35.31 | Hans_Henrik | actually never even touched the screen (just ssh) |
| 20:35.58 | Hans_Henrik | fully updated debian 6 stable |
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| 20:37.37 | xmb | bad code i guess hans henrik |
| 20:38.02 | Hans_Henrik | xmb, isn't it always..sad |
| 20:38.10 | xmb | yea |
| 20:38.54 | xmb | i dont have stable but i can try it |
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| 20:39.09 | xmb | do i need any configs for this ? |
| 20:39.30 | Hans_Henrik | well, for me, it takes several hours before it starts (not sure how many but at least 3 hours) |
| 20:39.40 | xmb | lol whats this sw doing |
| 20:40.01 | xmb | i dont have any vino-server package around |
| 20:40.38 | Hans_Henrik | xmb, no, not afaik.. basically just did apt-get install gnome-desktop; << and then used the GUI to activate "remote desktop" (vino-vnc server thing) |
| 20:40.52 | xmb | aha |
| 20:40.58 | xmb | try xrdp |
| 20:41.01 | xmb | and its done |
| 20:41.02 | xmb | =)) |
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| 20:43.45 | xmb | bbl |
| 20:44.47 | Guest27561 | is away: Estoy ocupado |
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| 20:47.43 | himuraken | My google search terms are not finding the answer to this *seemingly* simple question. I want to make /srv/tftp writable/readable by all. I have already chmod 777 /srv/tftp and chmod s+g /srv/tftp but transfers still fail. The file gets created, but the contents do not. |
| 20:48.22 | Hans_Henrik | and /srv/ is mounted as? |
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| 20:50.09 | Hans_Henrik | anyway if you have mounted it VIA ftp, i guess its the ftp server that is fking with you |
| 20:50.09 | dennisRitchie | i've mounted as? |
| 20:50.19 | himuraken | Hans_Henrik, accessing it via tftp |
| 20:50.32 | Hans_Henrik | then i guess its tftp serv that is fking with you |
| 20:50.36 | himuraken | nmap shows udp/69 open, and it I: put /local/file.txt /remote/file.txt |
| 20:50.39 | Hans_Henrik | and won't let you write |
| 20:50.55 | himuraken | Yeah cant write. |
| 20:51.11 | himuraken | tftp is pretty basic so I am thinking its a file permission. |
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| 20:51.32 | himuraken | I wont always be able to control the name of the incoming file so I want/need to set the folder to 777 and all file to inherit. |
| 20:51.39 | Hans_Henrik | i hope you have checked the config files tho |
| 20:51.57 | himuraken | I've ran through them, they are spartan for tftp. |
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| 20:52.27 | dennisRitchie | pcjamesy |
| 20:52.34 | dutchfish | himuraken, under what user tftpd is running? |
| 20:52.57 | himuraken | dutchfish, at the risk of sounding ignorant, whatever user it defaults to. |
| 20:53.11 | himuraken | running atftpd btw, same results with tftpd however. |
| 20:53.27 | dutchfish | himuraken, no, not ignorant but i do not know which tftp package you are using |
| 20:53.59 | himuraken | Error always says " transfer timed out" No firewall etc, same LAN. Default squeeze install. hosts.allow and .deny are empty. |
| 20:54.05 | himuraken | dutchfish, using atftpd here. |
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| 20:54.34 | himuraken | files get created as user nobody. |
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| 20:56.29 | dutchfish | himuraken, the make that root dir for the files with group nobody |
| 20:56.38 | dutchfish | s/the/then |
| 20:57.00 | himuraken | so owner root/nobody? |
| 20:57.07 | dutchfish | yep |
| 20:57.37 | dutchfish | himuraken, i dont need to explain the security implication, right? |
| 20:57.55 | himuraken | invalid group: nobody |
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| 20:58.24 | himuraken | dutchfish, invalid group: nobody |
| 20:58.42 | dutchfish | himuraken, hmmm |
| 20:59.11 | himuraken | I dont feel like ive ever had this issue before on tftp in debian. |
| 20:59.13 | himuraken | Hrmm. |
| 20:59.35 | dutchfish | himuraken, well i use tftpd-hpa myself, never had this issue too |
| 20:59.53 | himuraken | If I am not mistaken, it should be apt-get install tftpd-hpa |
| 20:59.56 | himuraken | then you are done no? |
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| 21:00.12 | dutchfish | himuraken, yes, but remove atftp first |
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| 21:00.30 | himuraken | No, what I mean is, besides the apt-get command, you really shouldnt have to do much else. |
| 21:00.40 | dutchfish | himuraken, along with its clonky rlinetd |
| 21:01.06 | dutchfish | himuraken, accept checking the config file |
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| 21:01.16 | himuraken | rlinetd required with tftpd-hpa? |
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| 21:02.03 | dutchfish | himuraken, nope |
| 21:02.56 | himuraken | ok everything removed, isntalling tftp-hpa now. |
| 21:03.40 | jhutchins | himuraken: I believe significant configuration is required. |
| 21:03.44 | dutchfish | himuraken, after that check /usr/share/doc/tftpd-hpa/examples how to use it |
| 21:04.36 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | is upgrading a already "Broken deb hell" squeeze to wheezy. |
| 21:05.19 | ompaul | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -- change sources apt-get update && apt-get -d dist-upgrade |
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| 21:05.40 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Yeah, but i have already so much broken deps.... |
| 21:05.43 | ompaul | failure to dist-upgrade will break stuff it needs to remove to move the whole game forward |
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| 21:06.01 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Well, i am already updating it using another way |
| 21:06.10 | dutchfish | himuraken, you can configure more options with dpkg-reconfigure -plow tftpd-hpa |
| 21:06.12 | ompaul | dist-upgrade and then pastebin the full error message into http://paste.ndebian.net |
| 21:06.17 | ompaul | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: ^^ |
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| 21:06.46 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | sorry, but already using another way (no return point were 2 km ago) |
| 21:06.53 | himuraken | thanks dutchfish that made it even easier to add the --create switch ;-) |
| 21:07.02 | dutchfish | himuraken, yw |
| 21:07.09 | himuraken | dutchfish, testing now |
| 21:07.29 | ompaul | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: so really there was no point in reporting you got yourself in trouble in irc |
| 21:08.08 | darsie | Is installing http://downloads.metasploit.com/data/releases/metasploit-latest-linux-installer.run as root a security risk? |
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| 21:08.39 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | darsie, I always say to people never to use msf4 |
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| 21:08.54 | bolt | darsie: just read it |
| 21:09.08 | himuraken | dutchfish, same issue my friend. the file is created but no content in the file... |
| 21:09.11 | darsie | bolt: Read the installer? |
| 21:09.11 | bolt | darsie: running anything you do not know what is as root is a security risk. security related programs doubly so |
| 21:09.15 | Hans_Henrik | ompaul, that happens a lot to me.. i get a problem, don't have an solution asap, i ask for help on irc, wait for a answer, keep trying to solve it myself, find the solution before i get an answer on irc :p |
| 21:09.32 | dutchfish | himuraken, you have run through dpkg-reconfigure -plow tftpd-hpa ? |
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| 21:10.02 | himuraken | dutchfish, yes and nmap shows the port open |
| 21:10.10 | darsie | why is metasploit not in debian? |
| 21:10.25 | squisher | Hi folks, I'm compiling my own kernel and since 3.7 I don't get any console output on boot. I'm using UEFI to boot (and an nvidia card). Does anyone have some pointers? |
| 21:10.27 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | have closed eyes and runned apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:10.42 | bolt | darsie: may i suggest a virtual machine or livecd with kali linux instead of running weird unsupported stuff on your debian install? just a thought. |
| 21:10.44 | ompaul | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: it needs input now and again |
| 21:10.50 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | Y? |
| 21:11.01 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | i pressed yes |
| 21:11.06 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | what else? |
| 21:11.07 | ompaul | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE: to decide if you use maintainers version of programs etc |
| 21:11.07 | himuraken | dutchfish, just ran it from local host to local host and it succeeded. |
| 21:11.11 | darsie | bolt: good idea. |
| 21:11.15 | dutchfish | himuraken, take a peak at the manpage to add the right options besides --secure, it works over here |
| 21:12.21 | himuraken | dutchfish, at this point, must be a network/host issue. |
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| 21:12.46 | himuraken | I will confirm a few things. Ping and nmap are good however. By default does tftp-hpa deny all hosts? |
| 21:13.06 | otters | so I want a user to be able to run a certain init script with root privileges |
| 21:13.12 | otters | but not get root any other way |
| 21:13.14 | otters | and not be able to edit it |
| 21:13.25 | dutchfish | himuraken, no, per default it has no --create but i can read |
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| 21:13.41 | petn-randall | otters: sudo is what you're looking for. |
| 21:13.51 | LoCoZeNoz_ZUE | is working at 2 consoles same time. But first one is a machine where you can do as much dirty quickfixes as you like just to make it work. And another where no matter if it would not work without it, everything should be clean. And the hardest is not to start mixing those XD |
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| 21:13.58 | otters | petn-randall: actually, let me elaborate more on what I'm trying to do |
| 21:13.59 | himuraken | dutchfish, yeah I have the create option in there. From the tftp server iteself things are working. So I am thinking its a networking issue now. |
| 21:14.01 | petn-randall | otters: don't try to set the suid bit on a script, that'll break security. |
| 21:14.02 | dutchfish | himuraken, do you have some iptable rules in your way? |
| 21:14.22 | otters | I'm deploying my website using git, and I want 1. the init script to run on startup (to start the webserver and so on) and 2. the "git" user to be able to execute it when I push |
| 21:14.23 | bolt | you can't set suid on a (at least bash) script in debian |
| 21:14.25 | bolt | it wont listen |
| 21:14.33 | otters | 1. is easy |
| 21:14.40 | bolt | sudo. |
| 21:14.49 | otters | there you go then |
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| 21:15.05 | himuraken | dutchfish, iptables is uninstalled. Also, nmap shows that tftp port is open |
| 21:15.06 | dutchfish | himuraken, i double checked it (debian/wheezy x86_64) and over here it works |
| 21:15.20 | dutchfish | right |
| 21:15.21 | dennisRitchie | is not going to add the right word |
| 21:15.35 | himuraken | dutchfish, appreciate the help, I will troubleshoot it further. Thanks! |
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| 21:16.10 | dutchfish | himuraken, last thingy, have you checked that the rootdir has the tftp user, or the user you configured and that one is in /etc/apsswd ? |
| 21:16.20 | petn-randall | himuraken: uninstalling it won't clear your iptables, though. |
| 21:16.28 | dutchfish | s/apssd/passwd |
| 21:16.50 | himuraken | If ip tables were the issue wouldnt nmap show the port closed? |
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| 21:17.11 | dutchfish | himuraken, or half open if they got filtered, yes |
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| 21:18.39 | himuraken | all iptables rules are set to accept, its the default debian install. |
| 21:18.53 | dutchfish | himuraken, ok, so thats not it |
| 21:19.11 | himuraken | Last line in /etc/passwd: tftp:x:104:106:tftp daemon,,,:/srv/tftp:/bin/false |
| 21:19.27 | dutchfish | himuraken, thats fine |
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| 21:21.00 | himuraken | OK thanks for all the help dutchfish I will tshoot later, out of time. |
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| 21:21.10 | dutchfish | himuraken, have fun |
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| 21:54.33 | chomwitt | can i fix this in squeeze ? "/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.14' not found " |
| 21:56.03 | Towzzer | is gblic installed? |
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| 22:01.35 | pandemonium | hi, when i start debian my internet works, but after 5 mins my connection drops... i ping the router but its unreachable |
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| 22:03.11 | chomwitt | Towzzer: yes |
| 22:03.27 | rww | chomwitt: not using squeeze packages, no |
| 22:04.02 | rww | (or wheezy ones, for that matter, iirc) |
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| 22:05.10 | andkore | so backspace is ^[. what is ^]? and what are those values exactly? |
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| 22:08.08 | chomwitt | rww: ok . |
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| 22:09.37 | Jemt | Hi. I'm using wget to download a lot of files. Suddenly I have to press ENTER to have wget finish a download. It doesn't write "Done" until I press ENTER. Why is that? |
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| 22:11.01 | Jemt | Hmm, seems to be a problem on my Ubuntu box as well. Perhaps the server is not closing the connection properly? |
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| 22:29.06 | wimm | hi |
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| 22:38.44 | petn-randall | Jemt: wget doesn't take input from the command line, so that's not the problem. Are you using a bash loop or piping input into it? |
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| 22:42.08 | question | hello |
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| 22:43.23 | question | I am trying to install debian onto my new laptop. I have used unetbootin to make a bootable flash drive and when I start up my new laptop, it gives me the normal options. When i choose any of the options (run live, default, etc) the screen goes crazy. It looks like multicolor static and some blakc and white at the very top. |
| 22:43.30 | question | Does anyone have an idea of why this is happening? |
| 22:44.44 | question | ? |
| 22:46.17 | question | are there any active users here? |
| 22:47.12 | dvs | question: none that can answer your question. |
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| 22:47.21 | question | okidoki |
| 22:47.21 | question | :D |
| 22:47.30 | question | I didn't know if this was a dead room :D |
| 22:48.04 | dvs | with over 1200 users? hightly doubtful |
| 22:48.41 | Towzzer | hi question |
| 22:48.48 | Towzzer | do you have a question? |
| 22:48.51 | Towzzer | or are you a question |
| 22:49.06 | Towzzer | are you a riddle wrapped in an enigma stuffed into a burrito |
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| 22:51.53 | dvs | Towzzer: I question the way you question question |
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| 22:52.37 | MrMonkey1 | I once used the nomodeset parameter to install and boot into linux, and then updated my graphics driver to make the screen act right |
| 22:52.49 | bigbadben | I am kind of new but if I use ubuntu and arch on all my other computers and I set up a debian server on at home would I be able to access it when I am at work or school and use ssh to get files? |
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| 22:53.59 | question | Towzzer: HI! |
| 22:54.00 | Towzzer | bigbadben yes |
| 22:54.08 | question | Towzzer: sorry, i was learning about nomodeset |
| 22:54.20 | question | Towzzer: I think that might be my issue |
| 22:54.30 | Towzzer | I don't know what that is |
| 22:54.39 | question | Ok |
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| 22:55.04 | bigbadben | Towzzer, how would I get to it off a different network though? |
| 22:55.17 | question | Towzzer: well let me teach you what I just learned :D There are issues with diffrent linux operating systems, sometimes the graphics won't match and you will get a corrupted splash page. Nomodeset makes it all better :D |
| 22:55.20 | Towzzer | through the internet |
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| 22:55.34 | Towzzer | you will have to modify the firewall to allow access via port 22 tcp sir |
| 22:55.46 | Towzzer | or better, you can create what is known as a vpn to your school |
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| 22:56.54 | lnxslck | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ibPziLRGvkg - awesom new console |
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| 22:59.07 | bigbadben | Towzzer, then I have to do the whole public key thing right? Are there anygood tutorials on setting up a secure ssh server for squeeze? |
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| 23:02.57 | dizzie | Hi ! |
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| 23:04.08 | McLovin | is away: doing something |
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| 23:07.46 | Towzzer | bigbadben I'm sure if you google it |
| 23:08.13 | McLovin | is back (gone 00:04:04) |
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| 23:10.21 | m8 | Install mysql-server-VERSION is better than install mysql-server only? |
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| 23:12.03 | McLovin | is away: doing something |
| 23:12.20 | dvs | !tell McLovin about away |
| 23:12.33 | petn-randall | was just about to say ... |
| 23:13.01 | JedsDesk | what is away? |
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| 23:13.28 | petn-randall | m8: mysql-server is a meta-package that will always point to the latest mysql-server version available in the release. mysql-server-VERSION will give you just that version, no matter which release you're on. |
| 23:13.57 | JedsDesk | how do i get an asterisk by my comments? |
| 23:14.13 | m8 | petn-randall, if I install the pinned one i can manually upgrade in the future to a never pinned version? |
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| 23:14.39 | JedsDesk | help away |
| 23:14.46 | JedsDesk | man away |
| 23:15.19 | JedsDesk | sorry im new at athis |
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| 23:15.33 | petn-randall | m8: "pinning" is a different concept (see man preferences), but installing the version in the mysql case will simply not upgrade MySQL to a newer version when you upgrade the release. |
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| 23:15.36 | Zelda | hey |
| 23:15.44 | McLovin | anyone know why broadcom etho cards that use the tg3 driver wont report network info properly in debian? |
| 23:15.45 | petn-randall | JedsDesk: query dpkg and ask him to you hearts content |
| 23:16.03 | JedsDesk | i dont understand the asterisk * thing... |
| 23:16.08 | m8 | petn-randall, this pacakge in the future will be mysql-serer-version+1 |
| 23:16.41 | McLovin | anybody? |
| 23:16.42 | JedsDesk | what is query? |
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| 23:16.56 | m8 | ie: now there is 5.5 in the future when there are 5.6 the 5.5 package will be removed? |
| 23:17.03 | petn-randall | m8: I personally would just install mysql-server, but if you e.g. have programmed a plugin for that mysql version and it breaks in the next one, you have that option. |
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| 23:17.21 | m8 | good suggestion petn-randall |
| 23:17.24 | McLovin | anybody? |
| 23:17.44 | petn-randall | McLovin: Maybe missing firmware? |
| 23:17.51 | McLovin | it's installed |
| 23:18.03 | steve334 | When does Debian ask me to "Do you want to continue [Y/n]?"? For example: http://perl.nopaste.dk/p40356 Is this asked in case there extra packages installed? |
| 23:18.05 | McLovin | even when I do modprobe tg3 it loads |
| 23:18.05 | petn-randall | McLovin: then I don't know. |
| 23:18.18 | McLovin | but the no info is reported |
| 23:18.28 | JedsDesk | query dpksg |
| 23:18.40 | JedsDesk | query dpkg |
| 23:18.44 | petn-randall | steve334: it's asked every time more than the requested packages get installed. |
| 23:18.50 | JedsDesk | sorry for new |
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| 23:19.11 | petn-randall | JedsDesk: you're on IRC. Check google for an intro to it. |
| 23:19.36 | McLovin | I love Google, he's so nice, very helpful |
| 23:19.36 | JedsDesk | i dont need goodle |
| 23:19.48 | JedsDesk | i mean intor to google |
| 23:19.56 | JedsDesk | intro |
| 23:20.13 | JedsDesk | this is irc? |
| 23:20.53 | petn-randall | JedsDesk: Yes, you're on IRC. Live around the world. |
| 23:20.59 | McLovin | what is a juggalo? |
| 23:21.06 | dizzie | haha |
| 23:21.17 | JedsDesk | i live in us |
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| 23:21.54 | JedsDesk | how do i ric |
| 23:21.56 | JedsDesk | irc |
| 23:22.23 | petn-randall | JedsDesk: This is a Debian support channel. I'm sure google will provide you with all the info you need. |
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| 23:22.44 | JedsDesk | yes debian linux i am needing |
| 23:22.54 | JedsDesk | help aquery |
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| 23:23.33 | petn-randall | JedsDesk: /query dpkg |
| 23:23.50 | JedsDesk | JedsDesk: /query dpkg |
| 23:24.00 | JedsDesk | not work |
| 23:24.16 | steve334 | petn-randall, do you mean that if "The following NEW packages will be installed:" line has other packages than the one I specified as an argument to "apt-get install", then "Do you want to continue [Y/n]?" is asked? |
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| 23:24.41 | petn-randall | steve334: Yes. |
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| 23:25.14 | steve334 | petn-randall, ok, thanks! |
| 23:25.15 | McLovin | does anyone know about Broadcom NICs and the tg3 driver? |
| 23:25.51 | Freeaqingme | I have a debian repository that supplies a repository.key file to prove its authenticity. How can I get a fingerprint from this file? |
| 23:26.18 | petn-randall | Freeaqingme: you mean the public key? |
| 23:26.38 | Freeaqingme | petn-randall, yes. Is it as easy as importing it into gpg ? |
| 23:27.11 | McLovin | anybody? |
| 23:27.12 | petn-randall | Freeaqingme: if you've got the key in gpg, do 'gpg --export <keyid> | apt-key add -' |
| 23:27.29 | Freeaqingme | right. tnx! |
| 23:27.31 | JedsDesk | i not ujnderstanding this icr thing. |
| 23:27.44 | petn-randall | McLovin: no need to ask every 2 minutes. If someone knows, they'll read the backlog and answer. |
| 23:27.54 | McLovin | Bueller? |
| 23:28.14 | petn-randall | JedsDesk: No, no, you don't. |
| 23:28.47 | JedsDesk | i have to do no no ??? |
| 23:28.58 | McLovin | is back (gone 00:16:55) |
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| 23:29.42 | JedsDesk | for my new sorry |
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| 23:35.20 | suppy | i would like to live-build an iso that includes a specific package installed ? |
| 23:35.37 | suppy | how can i do this ? |
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| 23:56.16 | bozonius | I am new with deb dpkg and apt. Trying to install perl maybe 5.16 or even 5.14. Prefer to get a binary but haven't been able to find one. |
| 23:56.30 | bozonius | (perl 5.10 has an awful memory leak -- known problem) |
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