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| 00:04.25 | somiaj | Rix: http://wiki.debian.org/OpenVz -- you could also try to trace down the mailing list on the why |
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| 00:19.26 | daemonkeeper | somiaj: Because there is no kernel support for non antique platforms, and OpenVZ as technology is mostly dead (and abandoned upstream) |
| 00:20.41 | daemonkeeper | (by abandoned I mean: Ignored by Parallels) |
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| 00:22.36 | txomon | daemonkeeper, why not xen? |
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| 00:22.43 | daemonkeeper | Why not what? |
| 00:23.06 | txomon | sorry, r |
| 00:23.10 | txomon | I read wrong* |
| 00:23.14 | alanjf | I'm not sure if this is the best place for this question, but I cannot find another. Does anyone know how exactly APT gets the arch of the system? |
| 00:23.25 | daemonkeeper | alanjf: dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 00:23.44 | txomon | alanjf, apt-get is a high-level layer over dpkg |
| 00:24.05 | alanjf | daemonkeeper: Ok, then how goes dpkg obtain it exactly then? |
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| 00:24.35 | alanjf | s/goes/does/ |
| 00:26.00 | daemonkeeper | alanjf: I guess it's an implementation detail, based on what you provided at installation time. |
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| 00:29.20 | owen1 | I got RTL8188CE device so i followed the debian wiki installed firmware-realtek and wireless-tools. When i run 'ifconfig wlan0 up' i see in dmesg: 'rtl8192c_common: Loading firmware file rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin' and 'ADDRCONF (NETDEV_UP): wlan: link is not ready'. btw, 'iwlist wlan0 scan' is working and i can even see my ESSID. Here is output of other relevant commands - http://pastebin.com/2ze3FWc8 |
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| 00:35.08 | reavengr1y | Woo hoo, got firefox working using a nightly build <3 |
| 00:35.13 | reavengr1y | Feeling at home finally lol |
| 00:35.18 | petn-randall | owen1: looks like it all works fine. What's the problem? |
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| 00:43.30 | alanjf | daemonkeeper: Is there no file that it reads? |
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| 00:48.07 | owen1 | petn-randall: oh. wicd-client doesn't show me the wirless networks |
| 00:48.18 | owen1 | wicd-curses |
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| 00:48.30 | owen1 | 'no wireless networks found' |
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| 00:48.52 | owen1 | petn-randall: oh wait |
| 00:49.04 | owen1 | petn-randall: wireless interface is empty |
| 00:49.35 | kulfon | need assistance with iptabels..is this correct place to be ? |
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| 00:52.19 | kulfon | what is the magic word in these irc channels to get help ? |
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| 00:53.51 | Nik05 | HELP |
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| 00:54.12 | Nik05 | kulfon state your problem |
| 00:56.00 | owen1 | petn-randall: got internet. thanks! |
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| 00:56.32 | petn-randall | owen1: uhm, glad I could help :). So, there wasn't a problem after all? Or how did you fix it? |
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| 00:56.55 | kalujny | Hey guys! anyone else had that weird idea of building libc6 with march=corei7-avx and mtune=corei7-avx, and then rebuilding half of their system with that? |
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| 00:57.03 | kalujny | or is it too late and i`m dreaming? :O |
| 00:57.13 | owen1 | added wlan0 in the preferences of wicd-curses |
| 00:57.28 | petn-randall | kalujny: I think Gentoo has that covered. |
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| 00:58.30 | petn-randall | kalujny: I once tried rebuilding stuff with cpu optimizations for my CPU back then, spent weeks recompiling packages for the system, and in the end I didn't notice a difference. |
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| 01:00.56 | kalujny | interesting |
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| 01:01.51 | kulfon | HELP ! with iptabels..any iptable experts here ? |
| 01:02.12 | belundger | is there an equivalent to the wheel group in debian? |
| 01:02.26 | petn-randall | kulfon: oh for fuck's sake, just state your problem! |
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| 01:05.00 | babilen | kulfon: You want ##netfilter not #debian in that case |
| 01:05.34 | babilen | petn-randall: Please, don't do that. I can understand that it might be frustrating, but there is no need for that. |
| 01:05.54 | awshidahak | belundger, would the sudo group do? |
| 01:06.18 | babilen | probably, it does the same thing |
| 01:06.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell belundger -about sudoers |
| 01:08.05 | kulfon | just looking for some one who can help me configure iptables so my VPN works |
| 01:09.07 | petn-randall | kulfon: sorry to use such harsh words. But you're not doing a survey here, so just explain your problem. If someone knows the answer, they'll help. |
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| 01:10.34 | petn-randall | kulfon: so that "magic words" are to explain the problem in detail. |
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| 01:16.12 | kulfon | i have VPN..so my interfaces are tun0 and eth 0. I want that the eth0 is not available to connect to interhet..it must work only for lan, and tun0 only for vpn. I managed to make it working but i blieve that putting my IP in lines 16-17 is very bad idea ? or is it exactly how it has to be ? http://pastebin.com/HBxeAKXY |
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| 01:19.47 | petn-randall | kulfon: eth0 is the interface that is connected to the internet? |
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| 01:20.27 | petn-randall | kulfon: could you maybe post the output of route -n? |
| 01:20.56 | kulfon | eth0 is always connected to router...and tun0 is virtual iface when openvpn start |
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| 01:24.03 | petn-randall | kulfon: could you post the output of route -n please? |
| 01:25.14 | kulfon | just 1 moment |
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| 01:27.45 | atomi | on debian where is eth device history stored? |
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| 01:28.52 | petn-randall | atomi: if you have udev installed, it's /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 01:29.15 | atomi | thanks petn-randall i'll check that |
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| 01:35.39 | kulfon | http://pastebin.com/PBSJhpb9 |
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| 01:40.57 | petn-randall | kulfon: so you don't want any ip forwarding between those device, you just want to access the internet via tun0, and not via eth0? |
| 01:41.05 | petn-randall | *devices |
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| 01:41.28 | kulfon | exactly...the thing is that tun0 is not physical device..its working through eth0 |
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| 01:44.48 | justinstalled | Is just finished installing stable.What do I need to add/modify to the sources.list ? |
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| 01:45.28 | petn-randall | kulfon: then I think you're missing a rule to allow the vpn connection to establish. Is this openvpn? udp? This computer is initiating the connection? |
| 01:45.53 | petn-randall | justinstalled: nothing, it should work out of the box. |
| 01:46.19 | justinstalled | petn-randall: what about nonfree ? |
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| 01:47.00 | petn-randall | justinstalled: if you want it, you need to add it. |
| 01:47.36 | justinstalled | petn-randall: What exactly do I need to type? |
| 01:48.22 | petn-randall | justinstalled: http://serverfault.com/questions/240920/how-do-i-enable-non-free-packages-on-debian |
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| 01:50.28 | petn-randall | kulfon: what is my_public_VPN_ip? Is it your IP address you connect with (from eth0), or is it the IP you got assigned within the VPN? |
| 01:50.42 | kulfon | openvpn connects fine ..everything works..im just conserned about the way i made it work by putting external ip in the rule list in order to make it work. all the iptables examples on internet dont do that.. |
| 01:51.41 | kulfon | the problem is that all examples for what i want to do is for server..not client |
| 01:51.57 | justinstalled | petn-randall: deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main These are the 2 lines in my sources.list not theones mentioned in the link you gave me |
| 01:52.13 | petn-randall | justinstalled: don't paste into the channel |
| 01:52.43 | petn-randall | justinstalled: after main, you can add 'contrib non-free', just like the link I gave you says. |
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| 01:53.51 | petn-randall | kulfon: what is my_public_VPN_ip? Is that IP address assigned to tun0 or eth0? |
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| 01:55.40 | petn-randall | kulfon: either way, lines 16/17 don't make any sense. |
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| 01:56.47 | petn-randall | kulfon: because you're accepting incoming packages coming from your own IP (which would go via loopback, anyway), and accept outgoing packets going to your IP. |
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| 02:02.14 | new1 | I want to install xchat but cant find it in the repos |
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| 02:04.23 | ParkerR | new1, sudo apt-get install xchat |
| 02:05.36 | new1 | ParkerR: http://pastebin.com/UH4PfEhN |
| 02:06.18 | ParkerR | new1, Try a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xchat |
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| 02:06.25 | petn-randall | new1: can you show us the content of /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 02:06.35 | ParkerR | It's in the default repos so if your sources.list isn't messed up it should be there |
| 02:07.16 | petn-randall | ParkerR: he's already root :) |
| 02:07.44 | new1 | ParkerR: http://pastebin.com/ch2G135p |
| 02:07.52 | ParkerR | petn-randall, Shhh try to advocate not logging in as root :P |
| 02:07.57 | ParkerR | *trying |
| 02:08.16 | new1 | I used "su" |
| 02:08.41 | ParkerR | new1, Oh yeah thats not right http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 02:08.57 | ParkerR | Use that to make a correct sources.list |
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| 02:09.14 | petn-randall | new1: you've only got the security repo in there, you're missing the main debian repos |
| 02:09.29 | new1 | Okay |
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| 02:53.42 | zykotick9 | ParkerR: please don't recommend 3rd party sources generation sites in #debian. people should learn to edit, take control, of their /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:54.33 | ParkerR | zykotick9, Well there isn't a first party generator and that makes it so he can get back in working order quickly and effeciently |
| 02:56.12 | zykotick9 | ParkerR: nor should there be, no need. and installer does to a great extent, especially expert install (which unfortunatly even over contrib and non-free). i believe it's the install taking place without a network in the 1st place which results in only secuity being enabled (seem quite common). |
| 02:57.03 | ParkerR | I was thinking he already had an install but something messed up. |
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| 03:11.30 | john_rambo | I have removed wicd & installed network manager but it is not appearing in the tray |
| 03:12.39 | zykotick9 | john_rambo: have you installed the de specific n-m package? like the gnome-N-M or KDE-NM, or whatever? i don't use N-M, so don't know the specifics. |
| 03:13.19 | john_rambo | zykotick9, I installed apt-get install network-manager |
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| 03:13.38 | john_rambo | I am running xfce |
| 03:15.33 | dvs | john_rambo: yeah, but not gnome-network-manager or kde-network-manager |
| 03:15.57 | john_rambo | dvs, Installing now..... |
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| 03:23.14 | atomi | okay I added a user to sudo group using "adduser atomi sudo" but debian wont allow me to sudo still |
| 03:23.44 | atomi | and /etc/sudoers has "%sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" in there |
| 03:24.01 | ParkerR | atomi, try sudo usermod -a -G group user |
| 03:24.20 | ParkerR | atomi, Also you have to log out for it to take effect |
| 03:24.27 | zykotick9 | atomi: have you logged out back in? |
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| 03:25.36 | zykotick9 | ParkerR: use adduser is way safer to recommend then usermod (due to a missing -a possibility). just personal opinion i suppose. |
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| 03:26.07 | ParkerR | What do you mean due to a missing -a? I included it |
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| 03:26.27 | john_rambo | I just installed network-manager-gnome but it is still not appearing in the systray |
| 03:26.34 | zykotick9 | ParkerR: i know. but if the person running the command doesn't include that, they're now in 1 group only. |
| 03:26.55 | zykotick9 | john_rambo: in nm-applet or whatever running? |
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| 03:28.00 | john_rambo | zykotick9, How do I start nm-applet |
| 03:28.08 | zykotick9 | john_rambo: nm-applet i believe |
| 03:29.21 | john_rambo | zykotick9, When I start it from the terminal it starts. How do I add it to startup? |
| 03:29.55 | zykotick9 | john_rambo: sorry, i'm not sure. does xfce have some startup gui thing? good luck. |
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| 03:31.19 | zykotick9 | john_rambo: s/startup/session startup/ the gui isn't a system service like n-m itself. |
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| 03:32.02 | Lars_G | Greets all. |
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| 03:32.04 | john_rambo | zykotick9, Found the GUI. Added nm-applet. Thanks |
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| 03:35.38 | Lars_G | Question. I'm finishing migrating my wheezy system from 32bits to 64bits. Right now I want to reinstall all my packages, that were originally 32 as 64 (the non base stuff), but to do so I want to eliminate the i386 foreign arch (it's already foreign), but I cant because dpkg says it's used in the database. And I'm sure it's for all of the packages I uninstalled but that left configs in /etc which are in state uninstalled config (cp in aptitude).. |
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| 03:39.17 | atomi | that worked, thanks guys |
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| 03:40.34 | atomi | also it's interesting that debian's default shell for users isn't bash |
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| 03:40.59 | atomi | I had to chsh -s /bin/bash atomi |
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| 03:41.42 | zykotick9 | atomi: i believe /bin/bash is teh default shell? |
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| 03:42.13 | atomi | I don't think so, I added myself as a user and it was set to /bin/sh |
| 03:42.32 | Lars_G | atomi: sh tends to be a link to bash, afaik |
| 03:42.33 | atomi | maybe I did something wrong |
| 03:42.44 | Lars_G | check it with ls -l /bin/sh |
| 03:42.49 | zykotick9 | atomi: you used useradd and not adduser right? ;) |
| 03:42.58 | atomi | zykotick9: yea |
| 03:43.28 | atomi | zykotick9: are there problems I should be concerned about with using useradd? |
| 03:43.48 | zykotick9 | atomi: no. BUT, you have to tell it everything ;) |
| 03:44.32 | atomi | zykotick9: well yea, it was a good lesson anyway |
| 03:45.12 | zykotick9 | atomi: try creating a use with adduser and compare to differences, if you're interested in "more" default debian |
| 03:46.27 | atomi | zykotick9: yea, I'm on a VM and it's a good learning experience |
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| 03:48.44 | john_rambo | I cant mount ntfs partition. >>> http://pastebin.com/hJc1hqnz |
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| 03:53.33 | dvs | john_rambo: umount means unmount |
| 03:54.45 | john_rambo | dvs, Got it |
| 03:55.41 | Lars_G | Question. I'm finishing migrating my wheezy system from 32bits to 64bits. Right now I want to reinstall all my packages, that were originally 32 as 64 (the non base stuff), but to do so I want to eliminate the i386 foreign arch (it's already foreign), but I cant because dpkg says it's used in the database. And I'm sure it's for all of the packages I uninstalled but that left configs in /etc which are in state uninstalled config (cp in aptitude).. |
| 03:57.09 | zykotick9 | Lars_G: <only my unknowledgable opinion!> i consider any 32->64 "migration" to be a severly broken system. best of luck. |
| 03:57.48 | Lars_G | zykotick9: The system is already up and running |
| 03:57.57 | Lars_G | zykotick9: I just need to go beyound base system now. |
| 03:58.05 | zykotick9 | Lars_G: i hope it stays that way. good luck. |
| 03:58.32 | zykotick9 | in the time of multi-arch that must be even more fun then before ;) |
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| 03:59.23 | Lars_G | It is simpler than before, so far :D |
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| 04:16.25 | archetech | why is there a monitor button in the gnome UI menu if it does nothing? |
| 04:16.36 | LinuxGuy2020 | Hello I have an M-Audio Mobile Pre USB and I'm not sure how to get it working with Ardour. It doesnt show up as a system audio device in sound settings either. Just shows my onboard audio. |
| 04:16.43 | archetech | cant change the screen res |
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| 04:37.02 | holycow | hi guys |
| 04:37.14 | holycow | i don't run a desktop enviornment like kde or gnome |
| 04:37.25 | holycow | are there any applications that control the look of gtk apps? |
| 04:37.43 | holycow | it would be nice to kinda make gtk apps look a little better than default. |
| 04:39.02 | holycow | nm. i think i found one. |
| 04:39.04 | s00pcan | my life is simpler now that everything is ugly |
| 04:39.58 | holycow | heh |
| 04:40.01 | holycow | you know what? |
| 04:40.04 | holycow | you are right |
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| 05:11.14 | andkore | is there anything (beyond legal considerations) that would prevent me from just copying the fonts in my fonts folder on my windows installation to my linux fonts folder, and using them like that? |
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| 05:18.44 | Some_Person | Does 'uptime' give you the amount of time it has been running since the last startup, or just since the first time the server came online? |
| 05:18.58 | Some_Person | s/server/machine |
| 05:19.42 | andkore | last startup |
| 05:19.49 | Some_Person | thanks |
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| 05:47.43 | Some_Person | I'm trying to use apt pinning (which I think I have set up correctly) to install inspircd from testing, but I'm getting this: http://pastebin.ca/2334081 |
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| 05:56.30 | somiaj | Some_Person: are you trying to install testing packages on stable. Bad bad juju, use backports |
| 05:56.53 | Some_Person | somiaj: Backports are great when there is one for the software you want |
| 05:56.57 | somiaj | You do not want to mix libaries and versions between the two |
| 05:57.04 | somiaj | then make your own |
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| 05:58.56 | somiaj | you can /msg dpkg ssbp for the easy case |
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| 06:03.23 | Some_Person | Compiling it could be a problem -- I'm low on disk space |
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| 06:14.21 | somiaj | well then compile it on another system |
| 06:14.30 | somiaj | it is the libc6 and other core libary dependencies that are the issue. |
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| 06:17.07 | aQute | I need help installing debian wheezy |
| 06:17.37 | homes | go on |
| 06:17.49 | aQute | how do I create a usb for debian wheezy rc1 ? |
| 06:18.07 | aQute | i downloaded the iso file |
| 06:18.14 | somiaj | aQute: you can just cat any of the iso files to the usb drive |
| 06:18.53 | aQute | somiaj: debian-wheezy-DI-rc1-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso is this file ok ? |
| 06:19.12 | aQute | i mean there were many iso's i downloaded this one |
| 06:19.16 | somiaj | aQute: yes, make sure you cat (or dd) it to the actual drive /dev/sdb as opposed to /dev/sdb1 -- it will wipe the data on the drive |
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| 06:19.28 | somiaj | aQute: if you have a good net connenction y ou can get away with the netinstall iso |
| 06:20.03 | aQute | my net conn is ok but i need to login in order for my net conn to work so that's not an option |
| 06:20.20 | aQute | somiaj: how do i cat an iso |
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| 06:20.40 | aQute | cat is used for viewing file contents right ? |
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| 06:21.54 | homes | well, cat is used for concatenating, too, and as an easy means to pipe file contents places |
| 06:22.33 | homes | i like dd as one can get a progress indication with USR1 signal |
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| 06:25.53 | aQute | cat /path/to/deb.iso > /dev/sdb |
| 06:25.55 | aQute | sync |
| 06:25.59 | aQute | that's it ? |
| 06:29.18 | homes | presuming sdb is the right drive, yah |
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| 06:33.46 | aQute | this will make it bootable or I havve to do some thing else its not detecting it properly @ boottime |
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| 06:41.19 | debianN00b | wheezy xfce version is 4.8? |
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| 07:03.28 | peterrooney | ,version xfce4 |
| 07:03.30 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.3; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; experimental: 4.10.0 |
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| 07:03.42 | peterrooney | ,version e16 |
| 07:03.43 | judd | Package: e16 on i386 -- lenny: 0.16.8.13-4; squeeze: 1.0.0-4 |
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| 08:38.30 | bolt | I have a problem with awesome in combination with rdesktop. When awesome has rules to put rdesktop on a specific tag and I'm not viewing that tag at the moment, rdesktop doesn't log in until I switch to it. If I don't switch to it for a long time, rdesktop will get stuck on a black screen without logging in at all. Has anyone got a neat solution to this? |
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| 08:42.43 | zetheroo | I have this directory named "Kids' Movies" and I want to rename it to "Kids_Movies" ... what's the command to do that? |
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| 08:44.05 | babilen | zetheroo: You have to escape both the space and the ' -- mv Kids\'\ Movies/ Kids_Movies/ |
| 08:44.19 | babilen | zetheroo: tab completion should work btw |
| 08:45.17 | zetheroo | ah ... tab completion worked after I did "mv Kids\' <tab>" |
| 08:45.19 | zetheroo | thanks |
| 08:45.47 | babilen | You can also simply use the name of the directory in quotes (e.g. mv "Kids' Movies" Kids_Movies) |
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| 08:47.22 | zetheroo | oh ok |
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| 08:55.40 | peterrooney | zetheroo: there's also a rename utility included with perl. I use it all the time, eg. "rename 's/ /_/g' *" |
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| 09:23.51 | azizLIGHTS | something is wrong with my wifi. it intermittently dissapears or disconnects or something. lspci says i have "02:0a.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI" and i have installed the package firmware-ralink and still experiencing this problem (i believe i already had firmware-ralink installed during netinst setup when i was asked for firmware file rt2561s.bin, but i reinstalled it to make sure, and ... |
| 09:23.57 | azizLIGHTS | ... still experiencing the same drops) |
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| 09:28.42 | azizLIGHTS | its a gigabyte Giga-byte Technology GN-WP01GS PCI card |
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| 09:31.29 | tuv | azizLIGHTS: there may be a more stable non-free driver. consult google |
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| 09:32.46 | ompaul | and sit nearer the wireless base station |
| 09:33.24 | azizLIGHTS | im about 1 foot away from the wireless router |
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| 09:34.01 | azizLIGHTS | that brings me to my next question |
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| 09:34.28 | azizLIGHTS | the wired network doesnt seem to be connected even though ive wired it to the router |
| 09:35.12 | azizLIGHTS | how do i trouble shoot this |
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| 09:43.55 | tuv | azizLIGHTS: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 09:44.32 | tuv | azizLIGHTS: if it's there, but doesn't have an ip, run dhclient or assign it a static ip |
| 09:44.53 | azizLIGHTS | dhclient says: |
| 09:45.06 | azizLIGHTS | i did dhclient because there is no ip in eth0 |
| 09:45.12 | azizLIGHTS | dhclient says: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:06:5b:a4:c5:c3 BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 |
| 09:45.16 | azizLIGHTS | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.16 | azizLIGHTS | whoops |
| 09:45.19 | azizLIGHTS | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.21 | azizLIGHTS | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.23 | azizLIGHTS | wrong paste |
| 09:45.24 | ompaul | stop |
| 09:45.26 | azizLIGHTS | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.32 | ompaul | quit and come back |
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| 09:46.01 | azizLIGHTS | im sorry |
| 09:46.34 | azizLIGHTS | i was saying that dhclient says RNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 09:46.52 | azizLIGHTS | what does that mean |
| 09:47.39 | tuv | try 'ifdown eth; ifup eth0' |
| 09:47.46 | tuv | try 'ifdown eth0; ifup eth0' |
| 09:48.19 | azizLIGHTS | ifdown says eth and eth0 not configured |
| 09:48.32 | tuv | eth was a typo |
| 09:48.51 | azizLIGHTS | and for ifup, it says ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0 |
| 09:49.00 | tuv | then try 'ifup eth0', if that's your interface name |
| 09:49.12 | azizLIGHTS | yes, ifdown says eth0 not configured |
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| 09:49.23 | tuv | is there eth0 in ifconfig's output? |
| 09:49.28 | azizLIGHTS | yes |
| 09:49.32 | azizLIGHTS | i flood pasted that |
| 09:49.34 | azizLIGHTS | above |
| 09:49.42 | tuv | ifconfig eth0 up |
| 09:49.54 | aQute | hi all the files on my external drives are showing up as readonly in thunar how do I delete them |
| 09:50.03 | azizLIGHTS | tuv: that gave no error |
| 09:50.37 | azizLIGHTS | tuv: "ifconfig eth0 up" gave no error or completion mesage or anything. |
| 09:50.40 | tuv | azizLIGHTS: was it working before? or is this the first time you're using it? |
| 09:50.47 | azizLIGHTS | tuv: first time im using it |
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| 09:51.08 | tuv | do you have a dhcp server on the network? |
| 09:51.22 | tuv | try ifup now |
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| 09:52.02 | azizLIGHTS | sudo ifup eth0 says: Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0. |
| 09:52.22 | tuv | do you have NwtworkManager running? |
| 09:52.32 | tuv | *NetworkManager |
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| 09:52.47 | aQute | hi all the files on my external drives are showing up as readonly in thunar how do I delete them |
| 09:52.55 | azizLIGHTS | what package is network manager |
| 09:53.06 | tuv | that last message means eth0 is not configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:53.17 | azizLIGHTS | i dont have a gui |
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| 09:53.32 | azizLIGHTS | all the packages for network manager seem to be gui related |
| 09:53.41 | azizLIGHTS | gnome related |
| 09:53.48 | tuv | so you did not install a desktop? |
| 09:53.54 | azizLIGHTS | nope |
| 09:53.57 | azizLIGHTS | i used netinst |
| 09:54.11 | azizLIGHTS | and i put a ssh server, and the system utilities option |
| 09:54.14 | azizLIGHTS | thats it |
| 09:54.16 | tuv | is eth0 mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 09:54.20 | azizLIGHTS | lets see |
| 09:54.28 | peterrooney | azizLIGHTS: "apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update; apt-file search thunar" will answer many questions |
| 09:54.39 | tuv | back in a minute |
| 09:54.48 | azizLIGHTS | isnt thunar a file manager for xfce |
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| 09:54.59 | jacobw | Yes |
| 09:55.51 | peterrooney | azizLIGHTS: maybe, but apt-file can tell you what package it is in for sure. I frequently use apt-file search bin/FOO |
| 09:57.55 | azizLIGHTS | what package am i looking for |
| 09:58.07 | azizLIGHTS | er what file am i looking fr |
| 09:58.30 | tuv | azizLIGHTS: what's in your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 09:58.50 | azizLIGHTS | there is no eth0 in there |
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| 09:59.30 | tuv | if you have a dhcp server, add a line: 'iface eth0 inet dhcp', then ifup eth0 |
| 09:59.47 | tuv | also, checkout 'man 5 interfaces' |
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| 10:00.10 | azizLIGHTS | alright, gimme a sec |
| 10:00.35 | azizLIGHTS | this is /etc/network/interfaces btw: http://paste.debian.net/242230/ |
| 10:01.50 | azizLIGHTS | ok now im bound to 192.168.1.114 |
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| 10:02.15 | tuv | azizLIGHTS: if you want eth0 up on boot, add 'auto eth0', like the one you have for wlan0 |
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| 10:02.20 | azizLIGHTS | its working |
| 10:02.23 | azizLIGHTS | thank you! |
| 10:02.25 | azizLIGHTS | now i wont use wifi |
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| 10:02.43 | azizLIGHTS | tuv: good idea, thanks!! |
| 10:02.56 | tuv | azizLIGHTS: np |
| 10:02.59 | azizLIGHTS | how come the eth0 wasnt set at setup? |
| 10:03.10 | azizLIGHTS | no wires connected? |
| 10:03.38 | tuv | probably. were you asked to configure it during install? |
| 10:03.48 | azizLIGHTS | i dont remember exactly |
| 10:03.55 | azizLIGHTS | it must not have been i guess |
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| 10:04.28 | tuv | it may have asked about the wireless first, and ignored the wired when the wireless was working |
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| 10:07.25 | azizLIGHTS | how do i make sure that samba uses the lan always, not wifi |
| 10:07.31 | azizLIGHTS | besides disconnecting the wifi |
| 10:07.38 | ompaul | it uses the default gateway |
| 10:08.01 | azizLIGHTS | alright, what is my default gateway? |
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| 10:08.52 | ompaul | whatever interface is up - if you give me moment I'll see if I can fing you something to read |
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| 10:09.43 | azizLIGHTS | thanks ompaul :) |
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| 10:10.21 | ompaul | azizLIGHTS: http://www.samba.org/~tpot/articles/multiple-interfaces.html |
| 10:10.31 | azizLIGHTS | thanks |
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| 10:12.20 | aQute | hi all the files on my external drives are showing up as readonly in thunar how do I delete them |
| 10:12.26 | aQute | please help |
| 10:12.45 | aQute | I can't chown or chmod them |
| 10:12.47 | azizLIGHTS | ompaul: that was perfect. thanks |
| 10:12.52 | ompaul | azizLIGHTS: np |
| 10:13.03 | ompaul | azizLIGHTS: clue install debian on wire attached to wall and build from there :) |
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| 10:13.06 | aQute | it gives Read-only file system error |
| 10:13.15 | azizLIGHTS | ompaul: haha :D |
| 10:13.19 | ompaul | aQute: so the drive isn't mounted |
| 10:13.43 | aQute | I can copy files from it |
| 10:13.45 | ompaul | aQute: for whatever reason, so you might consider plugging it out and back in and see |
| 10:13.53 | ompaul | so it's mounted read only |
| 10:13.58 | aQute | yes |
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| 10:14.14 | aQute | how do i mount it with write access as well |
| 10:15.06 | ompaul | so you need to change that to >>> mount -o remount,rw /partition/identifier /mount/point <<< obviously you need to substitute your own values in there |
| 10:15.09 | ompaul | do it as root |
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| 10:16.46 | aQute | you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 10:17.43 | aQute | it gives an error saying you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 10:22.27 | tuv | azizLIGHTS: there is nothing specific about samba. any program will always use the default route, unless explicitly configured otherwise. run 'route' and 'man route' to find out about the default route/gateway |
| 10:23.14 | tuv | aQute: what's the drive's filesystem? |
| 10:24.00 | aQute | its ntfs i specifed it with t option still its not working |
| 10:24.18 | tuv | aQute: for write access to ntfs, use ntfs-3g |
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| 10:24.39 | aQute | there is no package ntfs-3g |
| 10:24.51 | aQute | apt-get can't find it |
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| 10:25.04 | tuv | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ntfs-3g |
| 10:25.56 | aQute | Reading package lists... Done |
| 10:25.56 | tuv | aQute: which version/release of debian are you running? |
| 10:25.58 | aQute | Building dependency tree |
| 10:26.00 | aQute | Reading state information... Done |
| 10:26.01 | aQute | Package ntfs-3g is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 10:26.03 | aQute | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 10:26.04 | aQute | is only available from another source |
| 10:26.06 | aQute | E: Package 'ntfs-3g' has no installation candidate |
| 10:26.08 | aQute | wheezy |
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| 10:26.30 | tuv | what was the command you used? |
| 10:26.32 | invariant | What happens when I pull the plug on a machine on which another machine has mounted a directory via sshfs? Nothing? |
| 10:27.15 | invariant | What happens when the machine comes back online later and I navigate to the directory? |
| 10:27.19 | aQute | apt-get install ntfs-3g |
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| 10:27.37 | tuv | aQute: try again after 'apt-get update' |
| 10:27.48 | aQute | already did |
| 10:27.49 | tuv | and check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:27.59 | tuv | which mirror are you using? |
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| 10:28.40 | aQute | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux wheezy-DI-rc1 _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot i386 xfce-CD Binary-1 20130214-11:13]/ wheezy main |
| 10:29.05 | tuv | aQute: is that all? |
| 10:29.24 | TheGrey | o/ I'm not sure if I can ask this..but is there an ebook that explains linux in full? I want to "know" linux fully. Like exactly how the OS operates, what the process is for me to ask the computer to do something and then it does it, how the whole thing functions... I just feel like an idiot not knowing precisely what my whole OS does. Thanks |
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| 10:29.54 | aQute | rest are commented |
| 10:30.19 | aQute | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 10:30.20 | tuv | aQute: is the machine online? why aren't you using a debian mirror? |
| 10:30.25 | aQute | added this |
| 10:30.45 | aQute | tuv: how i am connected to irc then |
| 10:30.55 | tuv | aQute: from another machine, perhaps? |
| 10:31.01 | tuv | aQute: use one of those: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 10:31.02 | aQute | no |
| 10:31.08 | aQute | alright |
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| 10:31.52 | aQute | how to use them ? |
| 10:32.19 | tuv | ha.. http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
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| 10:33.53 | aQute | my country is not there |
| 10:34.00 | aQute | I am from india :( |
| 10:34.03 | tuv | aQute: choose the closest one |
| 10:34.30 | tuv | aQute: also, checkout http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList and 'man sources.list' |
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| 10:41.55 | Arafangion | dpkg: sound? |
| 10:41.56 | dpkg | [sound] Ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>. See also <default alsa>, <devdsp>, <dmix>, <microphone>, <oss4>, <pulseaudio>. |
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| 10:44.47 | aQute | tuv: installed ntfs-3g now what |
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| 10:47.05 | aQute | ?? |
| 10:47.21 | Arafangion | Bah. How do I get sound working? Apparently I have no sound devices although I am fairly certain I've plugged in a speaker. |
| 10:47.39 | tuv | aQute: man ntfs-3g |
| 10:48.16 | tuv | aQute: basic usage: ntfs-3g <device> <mount-point> |
| 10:48.34 | tuv | (first line in manpage) |
| 10:48.34 | Arafangion | This appears to be my audio device in lspci: |
| 10:48.39 | Arafangion | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Patsburg High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05) |
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| 10:49.14 | tuv | Arafangion: first check: make sure it's not muted in the mixer |
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| 10:50.16 | Arafangion | tuv: alsamixer gives this error: cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
| 10:50.49 | eric_498 | I installed Squeeze and then upgraded to Wheezy, weird thing is that I don't have the hot corner, just an applications and places menu. I have checked Synaptic and Gnome shell is installed, my options at login are - Gnome, Gnome classes, system default and TWM, I've tried them all. |
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| 10:52.07 | tuv | eric_498: may have to do with 3d acceleration. make sure your video card is properly configured |
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| 10:53.14 | eric_498 | Ok, glxgears looks fine though, does this mean anything? |
| 10:53.47 | tuv | not sure. look in /var/log/Xorg* |
| 10:53.50 | ompaul | !glxgears |
| 10:53.50 | dpkg | hmm... glxgears is an OpenGL demo, or <bogomips> for graphics cards. It is not a benchmark. In fact, in recent versions you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark option in order to report FPS information. Provided by the mesa-utils package. |
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| 10:54.30 | tuv | Arafangion: look for hints in dmesg about the sound card not being recognized |
| 10:54.36 | tuv | or /var/log/syslog |
| 10:55.26 | eric_498 | I'm not an expert as you can tell, I tried fedora recently and liked the hot corner, naturally I then installed Debian over the top but no hot corner :-( |
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| 10:56.29 | ompaul | eric_498: here's something, I have no clue what a hot corner is, does or anything, and I'm happy, what functionality does it provide? |
| 10:56.30 | Arafangion | tuv: It's as if I don't have the driver. I've never done audio in linux before, it's a bit confusing. ALSA vs OSS and all that. |
| 10:56.33 | tuv | eric_498: wait. did you install stable or testing? |
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| 10:56.49 | ompaul | tuv: he dist-upgraded |
| 10:56.57 | ompaul | so should be wheezy from reports so far |
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| 10:57.05 | eric_498 | stable first then upped it to testing |
| 10:57.27 | Arafangion | tuv: I can't see 'audio' mentioned at all in the log files. |
| 10:57.31 | tuv | eric_498: is gnome-shell running? |
| 10:57.41 | lx4r | Hello everyone, I have a serious problem with my server: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kqvtudxly1j8l7w/prepass.JPG Can anyone help me? |
| 10:57.46 | lx4r | Thanks in advance |
| 10:57.53 | eric_498 | it's installed, how do I tell if it's actually running? |
| 10:58.31 | ompaul | lx4r: put in the password |
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| 10:58.57 | lx4r | Ompaul: But isn't that error already not good |
| 10:58.58 | lx4r | ? |
| 10:59.20 | ompaul | lx4r: get the box running install your firmware |
| 10:59.44 | tuv | eric_498: ps ax | grep gnome-shell |
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| 11:00.34 | eric_498 | That gets me - 6263 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep gnome-shell |
| 11:00.44 | lx4r | ompaul: *confused* |
| 11:00.58 | lx4r | ompaul: This appears after the login |
| 11:01.02 | lx4r | https://www.dropbox.com/s/k14jmpweu90j8ii/afterloginprompt.JPG |
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| 11:01.41 | tuv | eric_498: if that's all you get, gnome-shell is not running |
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| 11:02.42 | eric_498 | It is installed so how do I start it and would it then be available at login? |
| 11:02.49 | ompaul | lx4r: looks like you got ram issues as well |
| 11:02.51 | Arafangion | tuv: APparently I don't have /dev/dsp or even a mixer. |
| 11:03.03 | ompaul | lx4r: shut the machine down and do a memtest before you proceed |
| 11:03.17 | tuv | Arafangion: /dev/snd/ ? |
| 11:03.30 | Arafangion | tuv: Nope, don't have those either. |
| 11:03.51 | tuv | eric_498: try gnome-shell --replace |
| 11:04.19 | Arafangion | tuv: See, I'm deaf. For many, many years, I've simply neglected to install anything remotely related to sound, and I also neglected to learn anything associated with them. |
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| 11:04.30 | tuv | Arafangion: which debian is this? and is this recent hardware? |
| 11:04.33 | Arafangion | tuv: But apparently, watching movies without sound is weird, so I'm on a quest. |
| 11:05.05 | eric_498 | That gets me - Failed to connect to session bus: The connection is closedroot@Eric-debian:/home/eric |
| 11:05.15 | eric_498 | I tried as root as you can see |
| 11:05.19 | Arafangion | tuv: I haven't updated in quite a few months, I'm on squeeze. |
| 11:05.24 | tuv | eric_498: no. no root |
| 11:05.26 | lx4r | ompaul: Yes, Sir, doing that now ;-) |
| 11:05.33 | Arafangion | tuv: But yes, I'm on recent hardware. At least, it was recent last year. |
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| 11:06.30 | tuv | Arafangion: it may be that you're using hardware newer than squeeze kernels. one option is to install a newer kernel from debian backports |
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| 11:07.51 | Arafangion | Hmm, I am on kernel 2.6.32-5. |
| 11:08.51 | jelly-home | Arafangion: for a start, try the one in /msg dpkg bdo kernel |
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| 11:09.01 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Thanks for the tip. |
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| 11:12.01 | lx4r | ompaul: Is there a tool to detect missing firmware and install it automatically? |
| 11:12.51 | ompaul | no you find you miss it you install it |
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| 11:14.02 | ompaul | lx4r: your machine will report to you about it - sometimes people don't want firmware - nvidia etc |
| 11:14.06 | jelly-home | lx4r: this "firmware" means the server bios firmware, you'd get the updates from your hardware vendor and flash using vendor tools. |
| 11:14.10 | ompaul | so you really wouldn't want to to bd throwing this in |
| 11:14.10 | Arafangion | Bah, how do I kindly ask aptitude which version of the kernel is now available? |
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| 11:15.00 | lx4r | ompaul: Where can I find the report? ^^ |
| 11:15.10 | luffy_ | someone tell me why fbterm cant input Chinese? |
| 11:15.20 | Arafangion | Or does one normally blindly install 'linux-image-amd64'? |
| 11:15.26 | tuv | Arafangion: seach (using /) for linux-image |
| 11:15.33 | lx4r | jelly-home: I thought it was only firmware for one component, how can you know that this is my problem? |
| 11:15.43 | ompaul | lx4r: your screen shot |
| 11:15.53 | tuv | Arafangion: you can also see the dependencies of 'linux-image-amd64' (d) |
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| 11:16.02 | Arafangion | tuv: I see, using the curses UI. |
| 11:16.13 | tuv | Arafangion: yes |
| 11:16.35 | Arafangion | It used to display that information on the command line. |
| 11:16.44 | jelly-home | lx4r: I don't know, but that what your first screenshot says. |
| 11:17.04 | tuv | Arafangion: you can do 'aptitude search linux-image' and it will list 'em all |
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| 11:19.04 | jelly-home | lx4r: of course it might be a kernel bug as well. A google search for those messages might confirm that |
| 11:19.12 | Arafangion | Well, I'm going to install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64, lets hope that works. :) |
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| 11:19.37 | Arafangion | tuv and jelly-home, thanks for your tips, I should get some sleep now once I get this kernel running. |
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| 11:20.55 | tuv | Arafangion: yw |
| 11:21.12 | lx4r | jelly-home: okay, I see ... |
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| 11:22.42 | jelly-home | Arafangion: don't forget the matching linux-headers-* if you have any non-free drivers in use |
| 11:23.34 | Arafangion | jelly-home: The only one I can think of is nvidia, and I am reasonably certain I use nouveau... So I think I'd need those in either case. |
| 11:23.42 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Or is that part of 3.2.x now? |
| 11:24.09 | jelly-home | should be fine if you use nouveau at present time |
| 11:24.23 | lx4r | jelly-home: That's weird, the mainboard I use is only 3 months old |
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| 11:24.34 | Arafangion | In any case, I can always get back to my previous kernel, or else use the command line. |
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| 11:34.03 | Arafangion | Well, updating to 3.2.0 was reasonably smooth, although video playback's broken so I need to look into the video driver. |
| 11:34.10 | Arafangion | But it seems I have sound devices now. |
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| 11:36.45 | lx4r | ompaul: Hmmm, I remember that it asked me to install rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw from DVD while the installation but I couldn't because I don't have that DVD. Is that firmware important? |
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| 11:39.22 | Arafangion | lx4r: Only if you use that device. |
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| 11:40.16 | jelly-home | ... that's the wired gigabit ethernet btw. |
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| 11:41.00 | Arafangion | Those drivers tend to be bundled together, so if that one's missing, the rest usualyl are, too, but again, for the rtl8168 stuff. |
| 11:41.31 | Towzzer | you can get the r8168 driver from realtek's site, it's worth the upgrade |
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| 11:41.49 | ghost751 | i did bug report for wheezy and it was closed with new version, but repository for wheezy still points to old version - why is this? |
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| 11:42.06 | Towzzer | did you apt-get update? |
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| 11:43.11 | fairway | hi all |
| 11:43.12 | local | hey all. anyone knows if and when samba4 will be available in the repos of Debian Squeeze? |
| 11:43.22 | fairway | I have the problem that I can use jk_mod and apache2 only with localhost |
| 11:43.45 | fairway | on debian it somehow fails to use a virtual host as entry in jk_mod and server.xml for tomcat |
| 11:44.18 | ghost751 | Towzzer: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gir1.2-cogl-1.0 <- this is old |
| 11:44.28 | jelly-home | local: it won't. If it's not in squeeze-backports, you won't have it available. |
| 11:44.33 | ksuhku | local, never but it is on wheezy which is going to be stable soon |
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| 11:45.02 | Towzzer | maybe they haven't compiled the fixed version yet and packaged it up |
| 11:45.04 | local | ksuhku: oh ok. Can you tell me when it will be safe for a productional server to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy ? |
| 11:45.23 | ksuhku | local, probably after it's officially released |
| 11:45.36 | ksuhku | !tell local about rc bugs |
| 11:45.38 | Arafangion | I seem to have lost xvideo... Despite still using nouveau. |
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| 11:45.46 | local | ksuhku: I have no idea, is there a near-by date known about this? And could you tell me which version of samba4 is on wheezy repo ? |
| 11:46.04 | jelly-home | ,v samba4 |
| 11:46.05 | judd | Package: samba4 on i386 -- sid: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3.1; wheezy: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3.1; experimental: 4.0.3+dfsg1-0.1 |
| 11:46.18 | Towzzer | what's new in samba 4? |
| 11:46.24 | Towzzer | anything interesting |
| 11:46.30 | local | Towzzer: A lot, the most important thing is AD :) |
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| 11:46.53 | abrotman | local: there is no release date for wheezy |
| 11:46.55 | ghost751 | i wouldnt update production now |
| 11:46.59 | Towzzer | AD authentication is built in now? |
| 11:47.02 | local | oh ok, thanks |
| 11:47.14 | ghost751 | alone this multi arch thing |
| 11:47.15 | abrotman | Towzzer: the samba website should tell you |
| 11:47.17 | local | Towzzer: Of course, own LDAP/Kerberos-server with GPO |
| 11:47.26 | jelly-home | Towzzer: click the first link on your fav'rite search engine for samba 4 |
| 11:47.27 | local | complete AD, but you can read more at samba.org of course |
| 11:47.57 | local | abrotman: ok, thank you. So I will still wait and work with my own compiled samba 4.0.3 (stable) for the moment |
| 11:48.15 | Towzzer | i'm just trying to have a conversation while also getting information D: |
| 11:48.22 | Towzzer | human interaction soothes my savage soul |
| 11:48.24 | local | just wanted to hear if there are already packaged samba4 versions for squeeze and I didnt know :) |
| 11:48.37 | abrotman | Towzzer: so go learn about it yourself so you can actually be part of the conversation .. |
| 11:48.53 | abrotman | local: you could backport the packages if you want, but your method probably works just as well |
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| 11:49.07 | abrotman | local: you could also use stow/checkinstall to manage the source |
| 11:49.15 | jelly-home | or hope for 4.0.x stable to appear in wheezy-backports after wheezy gets released |
| 11:49.58 | abrotman | jelly-home: one would really hope so |
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| 11:50.09 | ghost751 | but still dont understand why they close bug if wheezy repo is still old |
| 11:50.29 | abrotman | close what bug? |
| 11:50.35 | local | no matter, 4.0.3 is running fine for the moment and as I have created my own start script everyhting's ok so far ... I'll wait and look what the future says |
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| 11:50.51 | ghost751 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702453 |
| 11:51.32 | abrotman | ghost751: because the bug is resolved |
| 11:51.43 | ghost751 | but not in wheezy |
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| 11:51.51 | jelly-home | ghost751: takes some time for 1.10.2-7 to get into wheezy |
| 11:51.53 | abrotman | ghost751: it tells you which version it is found in |
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| 11:52.50 | jelly-home | !why is cogl not in testing |
| 11:52.51 | dpkg | cogl is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=cogl |
| 11:53.29 | ghost751 | i see |
| 11:53.29 | abrotman | besides the fact wheezy is frozen and the fix is a day old ? |
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| 11:53.53 | jelly-home | changelog says whooping four days!! |
| 11:54.05 | ghost751 | wheezy is completely frozen? |
| 11:54.19 | jelly-home | oh, I misread, it's one day |
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| 11:54.38 | ghost751 | i thought only kernel is frozen |
| 11:55.04 | abrotman | ghost751: /topic |
| 11:55.14 | Arafangion | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't ask any questions!? |
| 11:55.20 | abrotman | Arafangion: nope |
| 11:55.48 | jelly-home | !wayttd Arafangion |
| 11:55.49 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Arafangion? |
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| 11:56.41 | ghost751 | a package breaking upgrade is considered critical? |
| 11:56.43 | Arafangion | jelly-home: I'm attempting to ensure that I have nouveau working correctly, it appears that I don't actually have it running anymore, although I'm a bit confused. |
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| 11:57.35 | abrotman | ghost751: sure, but it's sitll *0* days old |
| 11:57.37 | Arafangion | My Xorg seems to be using the framebuffer, so it must be using KMS somehow, so it must be using nouveau. Yet I don't have xvideo support. |
| 11:58.00 | ghost751 | The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. |
| 11:58.16 | ghost751 | i opened bug as serious, not critical |
| 11:58.18 | abrotman | ghost751: do you understand how unstable and testing work? |
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| 11:58.32 | ghost751 | that i was asking lol |
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| 11:58.37 | jelly-home | ghost751: "serious" is good enough to make it a RC bugs |
| 11:58.50 | abrotman | ghost751: even if your bug is "critical", it still takes at least 2 days |
| 11:58.53 | jelly-home | (release critical, stopping the release) |
| 11:59.35 | jelly-home | ghost751: you've done everything right, just wait a couple more days |
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| 12:00.23 | ghost751 | excellent |
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| 12:03.23 | Arafangion | Ok, it's in /proc/fb, I'm definitely using nouveau. Excellent. Now, to find out why Xorg doesn't let me change resolution, or xv. |
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| 12:05.17 | imran-uk | hi, i just dd if=/of= from an 80G HDD to a 120G SSD and i'm having a problem creating new partitions, do i need to fiddle with the mbr or something? |
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| 12:05.55 | abrotman | what was the actual command you used |
| 12:06.06 | abrotman | imran-uk: and which version of Linux is this? |
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| 12:06.31 | imran-uk | abrotman, dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdc bs=4M |
| 12:06.46 | imran-uk | abrotman, i've booted into an arch live usb |
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| 12:07.18 | abrotman | imran-uk: that's not really what i'm asking .. which OS is installed on the HDD? |
| 12:07.26 | imran-uk | trying to use cfdisk to create a new partition, it shows 40G as "unusable" but when i highlight that entry i do not see the "new" option |
| 12:07.43 | imran-uk | abrotman, ok sorry - i have win vista and debian squeeze |
| 12:08.03 | abrotman | imran-uk: if i had to guess, you'll need to use something like parted to clean that up .. what you did was generally not advised |
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| 12:08.37 | imran-uk | abrotman, ah ok, will try gparted and google a bit. what is the advised method? |
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| 12:16.36 | mallxs | Morning all: got me a other dual core amd64 MB and a fresh install ... now with 4 nic's and a onboard eth all seems to work (still testing) |
| 12:17.47 | abrotman | mallxs: you never figured out why your other two NICs weren't working ? |
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| 12:19.12 | mallxs | for every nic i added to that one the onboard eth stopped talking to the net even do it still showed up in lspci and ifconfig |
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| 12:19.30 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 12:21.11 | mallxs | it was also a old debian install now the RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10) also works out of the box |
| 12:21.38 | abrotman | isn't sure what the question is here |
| 12:22.37 | mallxs | correct i was just telling i stop working on the old MB (new fresh start) |
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| 12:24.33 | mallxs | but have a question .. is there a way to stop ICMP forwarding (or is that a dump question) |
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| 12:26.09 | dawud | mallxs: yes, use iptables |
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| 12:27.38 | mallxs | dawud: thx |
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| 12:33.36 | kriestof | Hi, do you know some good guide on settuping mail server on Debian 6.0? |
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| 12:34.38 | abrotman | kriestof: that's a bit vague .. what kind of mail server? what purpose? |
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| 12:36.52 | kriestof | I need mail server for few accounts. More generally I need to handle few mails on custom domain. I seek for the simplest free solution. |
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| 12:37.31 | abrotman | folks generally consider exim4 or postfix to be the easiest |
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| 12:38.26 | kriestof | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 12:38.42 | kriestof | I had bad luck, few months before I will use gmail. |
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| 12:40.30 | bga_ | what do you think about grsecurity? |
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| 12:43.53 | neon__ | anyone know how to fancontrol asus p5k? |
| 12:44.21 | jelly-home | bga_: it appears to help limiting issues, esp. on multiuser systems |
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| 12:46.14 | ubuntuw1204 | can i continue using debian 6 and install any software that i like? |
| 12:46.24 | abrotman | we can't stop you |
| 12:46.41 | abrotman | it might break the system, but you can do it if you want to |
| 12:46.44 | jelly-home | ubuntuw1204: isn't that what an operating system is for |
| 12:46.55 | hetOrakel | hi all, still strugling with a strange dns problem: i get a webpage on a non-existing domain. There is no dns-hijacking by my provider or my router since a nslookup gives me a nice NXDOMAIN. So i blame some setting, maybe in dnsmasq? |
| 12:47.25 | abrotman | hetOrakel: sounds like your provider |
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| 12:47.38 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: what does a getent hosts thathostname give you? |
| 12:48.16 | hetOrakel | abrotman: i said nslookup gives NXDOMAIN |
| 12:48.34 | hetOrakel | jelly-home: i don't understand what you ask from me |
| 12:48.37 | abrotman | right .. and? |
| 12:48.56 | abrotman | hetOrakel: run the command "getent hosts <domain>" |
| 12:49.04 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: run "getent hosts whatever-name-that-shouldnt-exist" |
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| 12:49.50 | jelly-home | it uses the system resolver, including all the zeroconf or other resolving that's configured |
| 12:49.58 | hetOrakel | it gives 141.255.181.11 www.fake-fake-site.com.cuijpers.it |
| 12:49.59 | jelly-home | nslookup uses just dns |
| 12:50.13 | hetOrakel | it is not my provider. cuijpers.it is my domain |
| 12:50.38 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: I get the same from "dig www.fake-fake-site.com.cuijpers.it". Do you have control of all your dns servers? |
| 12:50.54 | hetOrakel | 141.255.181.x is from a company called digitalus where i registrered my domain |
| 12:50.55 | ubuntuw1204 | jelly-home: actually i am a bit confused, like if i use windows i dont need any update or any thing and can install any software that i want, but with linux os the i can not get software as the repos go ofline after newer releases or it gets difficult to find the softwares |
| 12:51.27 | hetOrakel | i can control my own dns entry's |
| 12:51.50 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: sure, but do you have control of what the current dns servers do? |
| 12:51.58 | hetOrakel | i requested a getent hosts for www.fake-fake-site.com |
| 12:52.10 | hetOrakel | not for the cuijpers.it version! |
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| 12:52.20 | neon__ | anyone know how to fancontrol asus p5k? |
| 12:52.30 | abrotman | ubuntuw1204: go offline? |
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| 12:52.56 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: pastebin your /etc/resolv.conf, please |
| 12:53.14 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: you may have nonstandard options in there, esp. ndots |
| 12:53.29 | hetOrakel | if have just 1 line, no need to pastebin: nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 12:53.34 | ubuntuw1204 | abrotman: i mean they are not supported after a certain amount of time |
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| 12:54.23 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: no "search" or "domain" line in it? |
| 12:54.35 | hetOrakel | no, just that one |
| 12:54.51 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: hm. What about /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
| 12:55.23 | hetOrakel | see http://pastie.org/6581312 |
| 12:56.00 | abrotman | ubuntuw1204: and Windows is the same |
| 12:57.34 | reavengrey | Hey, if I wish to upgrade to wheezy right now, how can I go about doing that? |
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| 12:57.44 | abrotman | !tell reavengrey about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 12:58.27 | hetOrakel | jelly-home: i think the question is "why does it append .cuijpers.it" when it is a nonexisting domain |
| 12:59.05 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: nothing out of the ordinary. I don't know how mdns works exactly, but I don't think it appends your domain to queries just for fun, and the dns resolver should not do that either if you don't have any "search" or "domain" lines in resolv.conf |
| 12:59.19 | reavengrey | So, simply changing my sources.list file to point to "wheezy" where it says "squeeze", will cause the kernel and everything to be updated? |
| 12:59.31 | reavengrey | When I run dist-upgrade? |
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| 13:00.03 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: can you comment out the current hosts: line in nsswitch.conf, replace it with just "hosts: files dns" and try getent hosts again? |
| 13:00.16 | abrotman | reavengrey: what does it telly ou ? |
| 13:00.35 | reavengrey | It seems to suggest that, so I'd guess yes |
| 13:00.46 | reavengrey | One last thing then, |
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| 13:01.01 | reavengrey | If I have to bail out, and downgrade, how would I go about doing that? |
| 13:01.02 | hetOrakel | jelly-home: do i need to restart something? |
| 13:01.07 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: no |
| 13:01.37 | abrotman | reavengrey: downgrade not supported |
| 13:01.44 | hetOrakel | jelly-home: after the change: getent hosts whatever-name-that-shouldnt-exist gives: 141.255.181.11 whatever-name-that-shouldnt-exist.cuijpers.it |
| 13:01.53 | reavengrey | Right, so fresh re-install, thanks |
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| 13:02.44 | abrotman | or fix the bug |
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| 13:03.50 | reavengrey | I'm mostly investigating getting my installation to use the radeon drivers |
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| 13:04.10 | reavengrey | What I'm experiencing now, is that the kernel is not loading the radeon driver by default |
| 13:04.39 | reavengrey | TBH, I'm not sure which driver it's using in its place, since none of the other loaded modules look like a graphics related driver |
| 13:04.50 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: no change, then. well, reconfigure your registrar's dns servers not to give a catch-all result. |
| 13:04.52 | reavengrey | Don't see anything like VESA/VBE loaded |
| 13:04.58 | abrotman | reavengrey: did you install the firmware? |
| 13:05.14 | reavengrey | Not explicitly |
| 13:05.23 | reavengrey | Lemme see if it's there |
| 13:06.11 | hetOrakel | jelly-home: thx i could (and gonna) do that, but the question stays: why? |
| 13:06.25 | hetOrakel | i mean why does it append the domain |
| 13:06.33 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: man resolv.conf suggests the resolver does that by default. |
| 13:06.58 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: it's just normal dns servers don't answer to every silly query. |
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| 13:07.50 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: what's unusual is www.fake-fake-site.com should not get the domain appended, just the queries with no dots should, by default |
| 13:08.13 | reavengrey | Kk, thanks abrotman, it seems they're not installed |
| 13:08.17 | hetOrakel | jelly-home: i'm reading that part just now |
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| 13:08.57 | newbie|8 | hi |
| 13:09.01 | reavengrey | as per "ls /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon" |
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| 13:09.26 | newbie|8 | between debian, fedora, lubuntu, opensuse with LXDE What is the lightest and most stable nucle? |
| 13:09.33 | abrotman | reavengrey: in the firmware-linux-nonfree package I think |
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| 13:09.40 | abrotman | newbie|8: try them all, let us know |
| 13:09.46 | reavengrey | Kk ty |
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| 13:11.15 | slick666 | Hey all |
| 13:11.15 | slick666 | I just upgraded the space on a home server of mine and I wanted to add some torrents for debian ISOs |
| 13:11.19 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: this is expected behaviour: http://paste.debian.net/242256/ |
| 13:11.50 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: I have no idea why your resolver tries to append even when there are two dots already in the name |
| 13:11.53 | slick666 | but I have enough room that I think I can handle all the archs now, I was wondering if anyone knew of a good way to grab all the torrent files |
| 13:12.07 | abrotman | wget |
| 13:12.08 | newbie|8 | abrotman: what distribution you use |
| 13:12.16 | abrotman | newbie|8: i'm in #debian, what do you think? |
| 13:12.24 | jelly-home | Fedorantu! |
| 13:12.47 | slick666 | I was thinking of doing a "wget -r" and then grepping for the .torrent files |
| 13:12.48 | abrotman | peers out from behind his DOS terminal using the Maryland TCP package .. |
| 13:13.13 | slick666 | uses AMD64 |
| 13:13.26 | slick666 | but I have Used the armel on an old NSLU2 |
| 13:13.34 | slick666 | and I have used the x86 |
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| 13:13.44 | slick666 | I just wanted to show some of the other archs some love |
| 13:13.48 | hetOrakel | jelly-home: can i debug this in some way? |
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| 13:14.07 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: strace and ltrace might help |
| 13:14.08 | newbie|8 | abrotman: yes hehe thanks |
| 13:14.11 | boudiccas | In LXDE with openbox I've managed to expand geany to take up all the screen, and i cant minimise it. how can i do it please? |
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| 13:14.44 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: which debian release is this again? |
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| 13:16.07 | abrotman | boudiccas: alt-space,n |
| 13:16.58 | hetOrakel | jell-home: 6.0.6 |
| 13:17.12 | hetOrakel | jelly-home, ^ |
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| 13:17.51 | bga_ | jelly-home do you recomend to use grsecurity instead selinux for webserver? |
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| 13:18.31 | boudiccas | abrotman: it hasnt got the options for max, min, or alt+-resize, sorry |
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| 13:18.51 | jelly-home | bga_: they serve different purposes. If you're able to create selinux policies for all your web applications, sure, go ahead and use it |
| 13:19.02 | abrotman | boudiccas: so you decided to remove teh defaults? |
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| 13:20.00 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: hmph. Well you can pastebin the output of strace getent hosts foo.bar.baz, but I'm not sure what else to do |
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| 13:20.07 | bga_ | jelly-home i want to choose what is more robust |
| 13:20.33 | jelly-home | bga_: they do different things and are not directly comparable. |
| 13:21.00 | bga_ | ok. let me google more |
| 13:22.10 | hetOrakel | jelly-home: it's total abracadabra for me, but here it is: http://paste.debian.net/242258/ |
| 13:22.35 | boudiccas | abrotman: no, thats hwat shows up in the dropdown in the top left corner |
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| 13:22.57 | abrotman | boudiccas: mine does .. not sure what you've done |
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| 13:23.27 | abrotman | or right click on the program in the menu bar |
| 13:24.37 | boudiccas | abrotman: highlighted - send to desktop, layer, iconify, all the rest are greyed out |
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| 13:25.35 | abrotman | iconify |
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| 13:25.48 | abrotman | boudiccas: i have no idea how you've messed up your config |
| 13:26.19 | boudiccas | abrotman: right-clicking isnt allowed, it has no effect, neither does middle-clicking or left-clicking either! |
| 13:27.01 | abrotman | see previous statement .. good luck |
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| 13:27.23 | neon__ | anyone know how to fancontrol asus p5k? |
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| 13:29.23 | mallxs | is there by default some kind of Spanning Tree protocol running ? |
| 13:29.38 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: okay. Apparently this is how glibc resolver works, it always adds the local domain if one exists, after trying the original query first. |
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| 13:30.03 | hetOrakel | hetOrakel: don't like it :( |
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| 13:30.38 | hetOrakel | hmm talking to me myself and i ;) |
| 13:31.15 | hetOrakel | i'm going to change the dns.. but you already suggested this. Thanks a lot! |
| 13:31.16 | derdon | hey, I'm new to using mailing lists. what is the recommended way of using them? I thought there would be special clients for mailing lists, but appearently one uses his/her favourite mail client. if this is true, is sylpheed (my current mail client) good enough for this? how should I configer it for comfortable usage? |
| 13:31.34 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: if the domain of your local machine wasn't cuijpers.it but something nonexistent like cuijpers.it.lan, the resolver would try that and fail, instead |
| 13:32.08 | hetOrakel | hmmm. that sounds better to me |
| 13:32.57 | jelly-home | but still, that catch-all resolver thing your dns servers do is ugly |
| 13:33.00 | hetOrakel | but that would be strange on a "real" internet connected server |
| 13:33.30 | hetOrakel | so you would say catch-all is bad? |
| 13:33.38 | jelly-home | it's needless. |
| 13:34.00 | hetOrakel | in this case: yes |
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| 13:34.09 | jelly-home | if it wasn't enabled, you would not notice this issue at all |
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| 13:34.21 | hetOrakel | thats right |
| 13:35.50 | boudiccas | abrotman: sorted! just renamed the config file and restarted with a pristine one :) |
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| 13:38.00 | boudiccas | derdon: s#Simon, just use it as normal, but be prepared to get a lot of emails come down the pipeline :) |
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| 13:39.34 | derdon | boudiccas: I just added a filter rule to put the mails from certain mailing lists to a seperate folder. but that's still a mess because you have multiple posts in one mail which don't belong together |
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| 13:40.53 | boudiccas | derdon: create the rule when you get the first email from the list and create it from 'mailing list'. works well in claws-mail |
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| 13:43.02 | jelly-home | bga_: selinux can be compared to grsecurity's own RBAC I guess. However grsec patch has many more features than just RBAC, and one can use all the other stuff without ever using its RBAC. |
| 13:43.26 | derdon | filtering takes a long time here for ~1400 messages. I think I just don't like the concept of mailing lists. why not use the usenet? |
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| 13:45.36 | abrotman | derdon: we have a forum if you'd rather use that |
| 13:46.43 | derdon | abrotman: I have to get familiar with mailing lists in general because I want to attend the coming google summer of code |
| 13:47.00 | derdon | abrotman: and a lot of open source projects use mailing lists to communicate |
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| 13:48.41 | jeeger | GHey! I have a realtek network card connected to a switch, connected in turn to my router. When connected to the switch, the network card refuses to work (no connectivity even with manual ip configuration), even though ethtool says a link is established. When connected directly to the router, everything works. I have other hosts connected to the switch, and they all have no problems connecting. What could be the problem here? |
| 13:48.57 | boudiccas | derdon: you could use 'gmail' for your mailing lists |
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| 13:49.08 | abrotman | boudiccas: wtf |
| 13:49.49 | derdon | boudiccas: you are the first person ever who recommends that |
| 13:49.51 | abrotman | jeeger: managed switch or dumb switch ? |
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| 13:50.03 | abrotman | derdon: which mailing lists did you sign up for ? |
| 13:50.19 | jelly-home | gmail's probably faster and more usable with searching than claws or kmail |
| 13:50.24 | boudiccas | derdon: thats the only thing i use it for, not for owt else |
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| 13:50.27 | abrotman | jeeger: also, possibly dead port ? |
| 13:50.28 | derdon | abrotman: why is that important? |
| 13:50.30 | hetOrakel | jelly-home: thanks a lot really. I removed the catch-all and now i get the expected behaviour... I activated DNS-management on another domain and this wildcard record is there by default....... I should maybe send a mail to the provider.... |
| 13:50.48 | abrotman | derdon: if the volume is too much, you may be subscribed to too many lists |
| 13:50.58 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: it's intentional, they grab each typo and misclick they can |
| 13:51.13 | derdon | abrotman: I have yet received less than 5 mails from mailing lists :D |
| 13:51.27 | abrotman | derdon: so why did you mention 1400 messages? |
| 13:51.27 | derdon | the other mails are usual mails |
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| 13:51.37 | abrotman | derdon: oh, so it's not a mailing list problem at all |
| 13:51.40 | jeeger | abrotman: dumb switch. The network card is works intermittently, so I don't know if its a dead card |
| 13:51.44 | hetOrakel | jelly-home: but it sucks if i want 1 specific subdomain on another location (IP) |
| 13:51.56 | abrotman | jeeger: bad cable? |
| 13:52.04 | derdon | abrotman: because I guessed this is the reason why sylpheed is still (!) doing the filtering task |
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| 13:52.20 | jelly-home | hetOrakel: then you add an A record, and the * does not apply to that one |
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| 13:52.56 | jeeger | abrotman: hm, i've tried several different cables |
| 13:53.30 | hetOrakel | that's exactly what i did...... that's the machine wich had this strange behaviour |
| 13:53.47 | abrotman | derdon: probalby ought to make sure |
| 13:54.01 | jmd | The debian installer is really clever. It has detected a CDROM drive on my netbook which doesn't have one! |
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| 13:55.20 | abrotman | but you used a netinst on USB to isntall? |
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| 13:59.59 | jmd | yes |
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| 14:04.50 | zykotick9 | jmd: are you having an issue, or was that a statement? did you use unetbootin to create the usb perhaps? |
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| 14:08.46 | korst3n | Hi, I need to download a single, big file over SCP but it takes ages with single thread, is there a way to download it with 10 threads? |
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| 14:09.32 | abrotman | korst3n: use split to break it up |
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| 14:10.33 | korst3n | abrotman: thanks! |
| 14:10.50 | ompaul | just remember to use cat afterwards |
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| 14:20.14 | jmd | I've just installed the squeeze base system. What's the root password? |
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| 14:20.59 | abrotman | jmd: if you didn't set one, use sudo |
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| 14:21.31 | jmd | abrotman, But I don't have any users . |
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| 14:22.35 | abrotman | jmd: you didn't create any users? and didn't set a root paswd? |
| 14:22.47 | jmd | right. |
| 14:23.07 | abrotman | doesn't believe it |
| 14:23.25 | jelly-home | I've managed to do that as well |
| 14:23.47 | jelly-home | well, the no root password asked thing |
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| 14:24.24 | jmd | I suppose I have to do the init=/bin/sh trick |
| 14:25.31 | _jacks | hi, iceweasel is locking the sound device, even if its not using it, say for example a flash app that uses sound is being used in a window and im listening to music via mpd, when the song finishes it refuses to play any more songs, i've got pulseaudio installed and i've tried iceweasels dsp wrapper without any success, all i want to do is stop iceweasel blocking the sound device, or at least multiplex the sound |
| 14:25.42 | _jacks | any ideas? im completely out of ideas and its really really really pissing me off |
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| 14:26.29 | rockeiro13 | _jacks: remove flash |
| 14:26.40 | _jacks | i use flash all the time i cant just remove flash |
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| 14:27.46 | mrproper | hello. How can I verify a putty download? I'm trying with gpg --verify rsa_file putty_file but I get this error "Can't check signature: public key not found. I tried to import putty keys but i get a "no valid OpenPGP data found" error |
| 14:28.07 | mrproper | ls |
| 14:28.08 | _jacks | it happens if its iceweasel or chrome, it doesn't matter on the browser, it seems to default to using alsa sources |
| 14:28.41 | jelly-home | _jacks: if pulseaudio gets started at the beginning of your X session, right after you log in but before iceweasel gets run, things should work and every app, including iceweasel and its plugins, should use pulseaudio |
| 14:29.15 | _jacks | jelly-home: okay so obviously its not being run prior i see |
| 14:29.38 | jelly-home | _jacks: did you log off and back on after installing pulseaudio? |
| 14:29.51 | _jacks | yeah, i've even rebooted. |
| 14:29.59 | awktion | eh |
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| 14:30.34 | jelly-home | _jacks: a long time ago, forcing alsa to use pulse by default was needed, and you'd put http://paste.debian.net/242277/ into ~/.asoundrc, but it should not be needed any more |
| 14:30.51 | awktion | _jacks: how did you get into this install |
| 14:31.06 | awktion | what version/disk did you go from, and what basic pakages did you install on top of it |
| 14:31.18 | awktion | maybe a history of installs will give us an idea of what your missing |
| 14:31.57 | _jacks | awktion: its basic squeeze with X (gnome), amd priority drivers basically it |
| 14:32.04 | awktion | ok |
| 14:32.31 | awktion | i forget the package in debian, but do a TEST run to see what it would pull in for the full gnome experience |
| 14:32.38 | awktion | then you can look @ what is audio related |
| 14:32.43 | _jacks | jelly-home: so asoundrc is loaded by X before i login i assume? |
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| 14:33.17 | awktion | see what cha missed |
| 14:33.35 | jelly-home | _jacks: it gets read by every alsa app. |
| 14:33.52 | _jacks | jelly-home: okay so restarting the browser should be sufficient |
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| 14:34.16 | jelly-home | it might be enough if nothing else is hogging the devices |
| 14:34.38 | jelly-home | _jacks: you'll want to install and use pavucontrol to tune each app's volume |
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| 14:36.22 | _jacks | hopefully this works cheers |
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| 14:36.26 | Carlitos__ | hi all |
| 14:36.43 | Carlitos__ | I have an mysql erro any help ? mysqlcheck --all-databases --check-upgrade --auto-repair ? |
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| 14:37.43 | dvs | !tell Carlitos__ about paste |
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| 14:38.14 | _jacks | yeah didn't work |
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| 14:41.09 | Carlitos__ | hi all, I have a mysql error http://paste.debian.net/242287/ |
| 14:41.11 | jmd | It's not very good when the netinst image doesn' have wpa_supplicant |
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| 14:42.15 | zykotick9 | jmd: are you using squeeze? wheezy's netinstall supports wpa. |
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| 14:42.50 | penguin1 | In preseed, one can use the following settings: d-i network-console/password password |
| 14:43.03 | penguin1 | What I ask me myself now is, why this is necessary for ssh? |
| 14:43.10 | penguin1 | I mean, there is the openssh-server package |
| 14:43.11 | jelly-home | _jacks: yeah, you might have to log off and back |
| 14:43.25 | penguin1 | When it is installed, one can simply connect. Why this extra setting then? |
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| 14:44.17 | jelly-home | penguin1: it's used to get remote access for the installer itself |
| 14:44.40 | jelly-home | it's not necessary for ssh. |
| 14:44.51 | penguin1 | jelly-home: this confuse me, why does the installer require remote access? |
| 14:45.01 | penguin1 | jelly-home: the installer connects over ssh, right? |
| 14:45.12 | jelly-home | penguin1: maybe you want to install remotely instead of at the physical console |
| 14:45.42 | penguin1 | jelly-home: the debian installer can install a debian system over plain ssh? |
| 14:45.44 | penguin1 | jelly-home: ? |
| 14:45.47 | jelly-home | penguin1: yes. |
| 14:46.17 | jelly-home | this is documented in the install guide, I believe |
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| 14:46.52 | Carlitos__ | hi all, I have a mysql error http://paste.debian.net/242287/ this is in a fresh install any help ? |
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| 14:46.58 | penguin1 | jelly-home: but for using ssh one needs already a base system? |
| 14:47.07 | penguin1 | jelly-home: is this an alternative to pxe? |
| 14:47.33 | odirus | Can I use gnome2.6 on Wheezy ? |
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| 14:47.37 | jelly-home | penguin1: it's an addition, after pxe you need to get access to the installer UI somehow -- that's where you use ssh |
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| 14:48.25 | penguin1 | jelly-home: ah, now I understand. The user can use the installer gui over ssh. |
| 14:48.37 | jelly-home | yes. |
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| 14:48.44 | Carlitos__ | ja |
| 14:48.48 | odirus | ? |
| 14:48.54 | penguin1 | jelly-home: but why is it needed? I thought, preseeding covers all options? |
| 14:49.02 | Carlitos__ | dvs: any help ? |
| 14:49.16 | dvs | Carlitos__: I don't use mysql |
| 14:49.21 | ompaul | odirus: you won't get any support for trying to do it, if that is what you mean. |
| 14:49.27 | jelly-home | penguin1: it's not necessarily needed, but is a useful option |
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| 14:50.04 | odirus | ompaul: Thank you, I just want to update some software, but I donnot like Gnome3 |
| 14:50.42 | penguin1 | jelly-home: or are there also options which cannot be covered by preseeding? |
| 14:50.48 | ompaul | odirus: the gnome project has moved on, you have many choices, they are all yours. :-) |
| 14:51.19 | zykotick9 | odirus: just to be clear, gnome2 on wheezy is a bad idea. |
| 14:51.32 | jelly-home | penguin1: I don't know what can and can't be configured in preseed |
| 14:52.03 | ompaul | odirus: zykotick9 has a point there |
| 14:52.36 | penguin1 | jelly-home: but now I got the point |
| 14:52.45 | odirus | ompaul: Thank you, squeeze's software is so stable that I can't update some software to newest version. |
| 14:52.52 | penguin1 | installing openssh-server for having an ssh-access is sufficient I guess? |
| 14:53.03 | ompaul | odirus: start playing in a vm and see how you go |
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| 14:53.49 | odirus | zykotick9: Thank you all the same, Do you think Xface is a good idea? |
| 14:54.19 | odirus | ompaul: I'm sorry, what's the meaning of vm??? |
| 14:54.27 | zykotick9 | odirus: try it, and see for yourself ;) there is a gnome3 fallback available, but i think most gnome2 expats have moved to xfce yes. |
| 14:54.30 | ompaul | odirus: test it and find out, fvwm will suit some cases (virtual machine) |
| 14:55.27 | odirus | ompaul: Ok, I will have a try. |
| 14:55.56 | odirus | zykotick9: Thank you! |
| 14:56.02 | odirus | ompaul: Thank you! |
| 14:56.09 | ompaul | odirus: you're welcome |
| 14:56.23 | odirus | ompaul: :-[ |
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| 14:58.09 | jelly-home | penguin1: yes |
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| 14:59.25 | zykotick9 | penguin1: fyi for the lazy, there is "ssh" metapackage which installs both client and server |
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| 14:59.59 | penguin1 | zykotick9: I only need ssh server |
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| 15:11.32 | penguin1 | What means this?: # The wacky dhcp hostname that some ISPs use as a password of sorts. |
| 15:11.36 | penguin1 | in the preseed file |
| 15:11.43 | penguin1 | I wasn't able to find anything about this |
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| 15:13.31 | ManoftheSea | penguin1: what are you looking at? |
| 15:14.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | dis looks like pickin a fight |
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| 15:15.37 | penguin1 | ManoftheSea: screen |
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| 15:16.02 | ManoftheSea | Right, I'm not helping you then |
| 15:16.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ManoftheSea, <penguin1> in the preseed file |
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| 15:19.34 | penguin1 | ManoftheSea: oh, there is an option |
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| 15:19.41 | penguin1 | ManoftheSea: I want to know why they added it |
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| 15:20.06 | penguin1 | ManoftheSea: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/example-preseed.txt |
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| 15:20.12 | ManoftheSea | the preseed for D-I? I don't know about that |
| 15:20.14 | ManoftheSea | sorry |
| 15:20.19 | penguin1 | ManoftheSea: yes |
| 15:20.59 | ManoftheSea | I would suggest that if you need to ask for a dhcp with a wacky hostname to get internet connectivity, it would be needed in the preseed. |
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| 15:21.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think some dhcp servers will only give you network when you supply your own hostname and it's one of those on their list of allowed hosts? |
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| 15:23.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | just from description. don't think I ever encountered this in real life |
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| 15:24.24 | penguin1 | hm |
| 15:24.35 | penguin1 | alright, this won't affect me, so I leave this option out |
| 15:24.47 | monoglets | someone could advice me a way to boot from pendrive system? instaling it, or by live fixed? |
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| 15:27.32 | monoglets | if I use dd to copy the system to pendrive, it will boot normaly? |
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| 15:29.01 | leex | hmm, with the wheezy netinst I always get ab installer error: no suitable kernel. is that a known but or something wrong on my end? tried to fix it by installing a kernel by hand and that left me with an unbootable system. |
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| 15:30.59 | rodolfo | hi, i'm going to install debian on a uefi system , how i can write debian wheezy rc1 on a usb stick |
| 15:31.03 | rodolfo | ? |
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| 15:32.41 | jelly-home | rodolfo: "Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows." |
| 15:32.45 | mtn | rodolfo: does this help?: http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 15:32.58 | mtn | monoglets: same for you maybe: http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 15:34.01 | mtn | leex: sounds like a problem on your end. the wheezy netinst worked fine for me. |
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| 15:34.47 | phasma | yeah, i did a wheezy netinstall just yesterday. was fine |
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| 15:40.02 | nkl908 | I've got an image of a whole hdd done with gddrescue and now I'm restoring it to the original hdd by dd if=image of=/dev/sda - I won't need any more dd params, right? /dev/sda will be restored as it originally was (hopefully), right? |
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| 15:42.50 | ompaul | in theory you should be ok, let us know how you go, |
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| 15:55.40 | leex | mtn: ok, thanks. I am going to try and figure out what's wrong there |
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| 16:12.06 | monoglets | I have an image of my system, how to put it on a pen drive making be bootable? |
| 16:12.38 | bazhang | hybrid iso? |
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| 16:15.23 | giusi | lista |
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| 16:15.36 | monoglets | someone could help me? |
| 16:17.25 | ompaul | monoglets: cat foo.iso > /dev/sd-whateverusbitis if the image is what I think it is |
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| 16:17.51 | ompaul | monoglets: if not I'm not going to say this is right but it might be useful check out syslinux |
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| 16:18.38 | monoglets | ompaul: the image is a full image of system, used by dd cloning all sda disk |
| 16:19.14 | monoglets | I think this way I get boot failure |
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| 16:20.20 | ompaul | monoglets: I think is not I try with real evidence |
| 16:20.45 | ompaul | monoglets: you asked a question based on something I know works in one domain, you may have left out lots of useful info |
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| 16:21.23 | Washu | Hi, not python2.7 backport for squeeze? |
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| 16:22.40 | monoglets | ompaul: I'm really glad to you be helping, but which kind of information you mean.. I need something more practical |
| 16:23.15 | ompaul | monoglets: cat yourimage.iso > /dev/usbkey where you use the device name works - unless you give me an error I can't take it further |
| 16:23.30 | ompaul | monoglets: this works on the assumption you know how to make yourimage.isp |
| 16:23.36 | ompaul | .iso even |
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| 16:24.50 | ompaul | monoglets: so if you feel I am not giving you enough info, how did you make your iso image you want to put on the machine |
| 16:24.57 | monoglets | ompaul: okay I'll try this way |
| 16:24.57 | ompaul | did you use squash fs |
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| 16:26.10 | monoglets | ompaul: I did like that dd if=/dev/sda of=image.iso |
| 16:26.43 | ompaul | monoglets: how big was /dev/sad |
| 16:26.45 | ompaul | monoglets: how big was /dev/sda |
| 16:26.56 | monoglets | 4gb |
| 16:27.25 | ompaul | monoglets: have you done cat image.iso > /dev/sdb (if sdb is your usb key?) |
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| 16:27.42 | monoglets | yes ompaul, with boot failure |
| 16:28.00 | monoglets | seems have a key to boot from pen drive I still dont know what it is |
| 16:28.22 | monoglets | I don't understand pre boot and boot |
| 16:28.41 | ompaul | monoglets: well starting with imaging |
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| 16:28.53 | ompaul | you didn't create a suitable image for your usbkey |
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| 16:29.02 | ompaul | monoglets: let me get you some reading material |
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| 16:29.42 | monoglets | just wanted something easy to read and do... |
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| 16:29.57 | monoglets | tried lots of reading without success |
| 16:30.01 | ompaul | monoglets: what you are doing isn't trivial :) |
| 16:30.53 | ompaul | monoglets: have a look at the frenchb00b entry for 1-05-2010 for an idea about what you need http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/easiest-way-to-make-a-bootable-pendrive-of-debian-stable-i386-netinst-779811/ |
| 16:31.27 | ompaul | monoglets: btw that is not an iso image you made - make one using k3b or some such |
| 16:31.57 | ompaul | monoglets: it's a good thing to do, it shouldn't take too much time |
| 16:32.45 | monoglets | ompaul: I'm trying |
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| 16:33.12 | ParkerR | Just use dd |
| 16:33.32 | ParkerR | ompaul, http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/statler_usb_installation |
| 16:33.44 | ParkerR | * monoglets http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/statler_usb_installation |
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| 16:34.33 | ParkerR | Also |
| 16:34.51 | ParkerR | I don't think it's possible to staright copy a harddrive to thumbdrive like that |
| 16:34.55 | ParkerR | *straight |
| 16:36.23 | Vibster | I'm having trouble setting up my thinkpad T430 with debian. Eerytime I fullscreen a youtube video, it moves really slowly. I've checked xorg.log and it says it can't find the drivers for my inegrated graphics and it's reverting to doing it in software. The thing is I've deffinately installed the drivers. Anybody have any experience with this? |
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| 16:37.36 | ompaul | monoglets: do this boot off something, rsync your working machine onto the usb stick - edit fstab - run |
| 16:38.23 | monoglets | ompaul: ok |
| 16:39.12 | ompaul | monoglets: also forgot install grub to usb stick |
| 16:39.20 | ompaul | woops big woops but that sorts it out |
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| 16:53.53 | nmeum | I added the squeeze backports repo to my sources.list and I want to upgrade all packages from this repo how do I do this? |
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| 16:56.46 | jelly-home | nmeum: that's not what squeeze-backports is meant for, it's used to get newer versions only if you have issues with a specific package from squeeze |
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| 16:57.01 | jelly-home | nmeum: that's why automatic upgrading is disabled for that repo |
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| 16:58.56 | erob | hi guys, any ideas why mounting dvds on linux fails 99% of the time with recent burned disks ? |
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| 16:59.42 | erob | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.53 | erob | is this because isofs module must be present during boot ? |
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| 17:02.50 | erob | hmmm |
| 17:02.53 | erob | hell |
| 17:04.53 | erob | can util-linux become out of sync with kernel thus making isofs to fail somehow? |
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| 17:09.11 | nmeum | jelly-home: okey, what package do I have to install if I want to upgrade my linux kernel just linux-base? |
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| 17:09.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | erob, I'd say because your reader on the linux machine isn't focused correctly anymore... or your burner burns kinda crappy disks... |
| 17:10.04 | zinx | erob: either the media you bought is crap, or the burner you bought is now crap |
| 17:10.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | zinx, well... that's of course a shorter way to put it |
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| 17:10.30 | jelly-home | nmeum: read /msg dpkg bdo kernel |
| 17:10.30 | erob | yah indeed ;) |
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| 17:11.01 | erob | but sometimes with older discs (dvd/cds) i can read them... |
| 17:11.05 | jelly-home | nmeum: do you want just linux-base, or the packaged updated kernel as well? |
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| 17:11.10 | jelly-home | that's for both |
| 17:11.15 | erob | plus burning to dvd seem to works fine |
| 17:11.25 | zinx | erob: different lasers are used for CD/DVD |
| 17:11.42 | nmeum | jelly-home: I want the packaged updated kernel too |
| 17:11.57 | erob | zinx: it seem only affecting some brand of dvdrw discs |
| 17:12.13 | zinx | erob: then the read laser is probably going bad |
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| 17:12.32 | zinx | erob: DVDRW has significantly less reflectivity than DVD-R/DVD+R |
| 17:12.46 | erob | hm |
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| 17:13.07 | erob | i bough high quality maxwell discs, but they all useless know |
| 17:13.10 | erob | now |
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| 17:14.03 | zinx | there aren't any high quality discs for sale anymore, really :/ |
| 17:14.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | vinyl ftw? |
| 17:15.19 | erob | zinx: this is truely a pita as far im concerned with linux dvd usability.. :/ |
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| 17:15.41 | zinx | erob: ... it has nothing to do with Linux |
| 17:15.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | erob, the point we were trying to bring across was: it's got nothing to do with software |
| 17:15.56 | ompaul | erob: yeah hardware failures are always linux's fault :) |
| 17:16.04 | erob | ll |
| 17:16.06 | erob | lol |
| 17:16.14 | erob | +1 |
| 17:16.26 | ompaul | erob: now we understand that - you get yourself less crappy hardware and get on with your life |
| 17:16.54 | erob | right... noted ty ;) |
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| 17:17.02 | ompaul | erob: go on, make me laugh, tell me how old that dvd player / recorder is |
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| 17:17.26 | Nik05 | hey ompaul |
| 17:17.55 | ompaul | Nik05: 'elo *I'm guessing about 4-6 years* |
| 17:18.06 | Nik05 | ? |
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| 17:18.24 | erob | ompaul: in this era things were working fine on ubuntu.. |
| 17:18.24 | ompaul | Nik05: the guess at the age of erob's dvd thingy |
| 17:18.24 | erob | :) |
| 17:18.40 | Nik05 | ok |
| 17:18.42 | ompaul | erob: eh so how old is it :) |
| 17:18.58 | Nik05 | my pc is 10 years old :D |
| 17:19.28 | erob | ompaul: the laptop is so old that it must stick in "powersave" mode to not over heat :) |
| 17:19.49 | erob | *-cdrom |
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| 17:20.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !next |
| 17:20.02 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 17:20.09 | ompaul | CutMeOwnThroat: +1 |
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| 17:20.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ompaul, :D |
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| 17:21.15 | linduxed | i know that logrotate is used for splitting up logs into smaller ones and deleting those that are of a certain age |
| 17:21.15 | TheGrey | o/ |
| 17:21.30 | erob | ompaul: laptop survived bycliing in traffic, thiefts, coffee, and so forth |
| 17:21.42 | linduxed | but isn't there also some package that sends a mail with a report about those logs, or something like that? |
| 17:21.48 | ompaul | linduxed: actually if logs are important you should rotate them by date |
| 17:22.08 | linduxed | ompaul: that's just just a configuration detail |
| 17:22.31 | erob | ompaul: maybe i can sell this laptop on ebay as-is lol |
| 17:22.34 | TheGrey | ..I'm getting myself familar with debian. Is there a book I that goes into massive detail into the UNIX OS itself? Like not for just learning a few commands. I want to know how UNIX handles everything |
| 17:22.34 | linduxed | i'm looking for the package that sends an e-mail with a report about the state of the server |
| 17:22.48 | ompaul | linduxed: there are many tools to examine logs apt-cache search log | grep analysis |
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| 17:23.52 | erob | TheGrey: gotta believe in UNIX |
| 17:23.57 | erob | :) |
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| 17:25.48 | erob | TheGrey: if you dare say you have UNIX experience it might be risky for you |
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| 17:26.48 | erob | kiddin... i believe the risks is commeasure with the benefits of staing in control of your pc |
| 17:26.55 | erob | :) |
| 17:27.22 | TheGrey | erob: :D |
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| 17:29.20 | erob | anyways, i'm quite satisfied with systemd... quite impressive system |
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| 17:30.55 | recon_lap | anyway to stop scp timing out? |
| 17:31.44 | erob | argh |
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| 17:32.00 | ChrisH | recon_lap: Keep the server and network connection up? |
| 17:32.39 | nmeum | I added some ipv6 related things to my /etc/network/interfaces and I have a IPv6 connection for a few minutes after reboot but after some time is it possible to fix this? |
| 17:33.00 | ChrisH | recon_lap: you might want to check man ssh_config and search for timeout/keepalive. There are several ways to add keep alive to a ssh connection. |
| 17:33.41 | recon_lap | i've added -o ConnectTimeout=60 in the hope it's just a glitch , file is only .5gb |
| 17:34.38 | ChrisH | recon_lap: From my understanding this is only for the connections setup, not for established connections |
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| 17:44.23 | erob | also, guys, any hints why opera/flashplayer require a functional OpenGL for playback? |
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| 17:45.47 | jmd | erob, In order to render the graphics? |
| 17:45.55 | erob | yup |
| 17:46.20 | Nik05 | :S so whats the question erob? :P |
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| 17:46.34 | erob | opera is weird.. i wish to replace this with something like gnash :) |
| 17:46.40 | erob | closed source .. |
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| 17:47.04 | ompaul | erob: well it is your choice, but a lot of sites won't work with gnash (sadly) |
| 17:47.20 | erob | :s |
| 17:49.17 | erob | ompaul: good to know... i still have good hopes for gnash until sites start to offer mp4 streams |
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| 17:50.33 | erob | probably the last app in the laptop along with skype to replace with open source alternatives :) |
| 17:51.03 | nkl908 | i need to take a look on debian's package manager doc to see how can I make flashplayer-nonfree executable only by a particular user group |
| 17:51.45 | erob | video ? |
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| 17:53.48 | nkl908 | erob: no, a dedicated flashplayer group |
| 17:54.04 | nkl908 | for both productivity and security reasons |
| 17:54.27 | erob | what security reasons? |
| 17:54.42 | recon_lap | look like my VPS might just be throttling my upload until it stops sending altogther |
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| 17:55.05 | erob | nkl908: usually flashplayer.so runs under non-priviledged user group |
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| 17:56.26 | dgriffi | suppose I want to have df and mount refer to disks by device name instead of UUID. Ubuntu seems to do this out of the box, but not Debian. What am I missing? |
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| 17:56.50 | Towzzer | are you using squeeze or wheezy? |
| 17:57.02 | Towzzer | because on my squeeze installs it should the device name |
| 17:57.05 | Towzzer | shows* |
| 17:57.18 | erob | dgriffi: devfs is deprecated.. was replaced with udev... which in turn is being replaced with systemd |
| 17:57.41 | dgriffi | Towzzer: I'm using Wheezy |
| 17:58.15 | erob | wheezy you! |
| 17:58.22 | erob | :P |
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| 17:59.14 | nkl908 | erob: yeah, I know. I just want to limit access to flashplayer to specific users |
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| 18:01.35 | dgriffi | so, is there any way I can get df and mount to report device names? |
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| 18:02.54 | jelly-home | dgriffi: what do they report now, if not device names? |
| 18:04.02 | dgriffi | jelly-home: UUID |
| 18:04.07 | linduxed | so i've read a few pages and it seems like the application people generally use for log monitoring is "swatch". for someone who only needs some basic stuff (mail sent when a partition is getting close to full, for instance) is swatch the package to use? |
| 18:04.45 | jelly-home | dgriffi: can you pastebin your df output, please. |
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| 18:06.15 | dgriffi | http://pastebin.com/gFbfdg6i |
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| 18:07.16 | jelly-home | oh, that's just the root filesystem. That's normal for wheezy. I thought you had other mountpoints using that device name as well. |
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| 18:07.54 | jelly-home | it's a consequence of wheezy not having a real /etc/mtab, and of how root fs gets mounted at initramfs time |
| 18:08.17 | jelly-home | ugly? Yes. |
| 18:08.29 | dgriffi | jelly-home: I want the whole output to talk about /dev/sdwhatever instead of UUID... it makes the output look really ugly |
| 18:08.40 | jelly-home | but here's a thing: doesn't happen if you use LVM: |
| 18:08.41 | jelly-home | /dev/mapper/vg-root 25671996 18613716 6848568 74% / |
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| 18:09.44 | recon_lap | ok, think my VPS is running out of memory uploading using SCP , anyway to make it send chunks? |
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| 18:10.42 | Towzzer | it sends in chunks already |
| 18:10.50 | jelly-home | dgriffi: at the expense of making your boot less robust, you can uncomment GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true in /etc/default/grub, run update-grub, and verify your boot params use the "normal" device path in resulting /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 18:13.36 | dgriffi | oh look... |
| 18:13.42 | dgriffi | found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=653073 |
| 18:13.42 | nkl908 | the FAQ specifies dpkg-override but it doesn't seems to exist anymore. Is it a typo or was it replaced by dpkg-divert? |
| 18:14.06 | dgriffi | it looks like other people have been annoyed with this long df output too |
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| 18:14.42 | recon_lap | anyway to find out why a scp stalled? |
| 18:14.47 | nkl908 | anyway, it doesn't seem to be able to do what I want |
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| 18:16.18 | nkl908 | ah! dpkg-statoverride! beautiful. |
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| 18:16.43 | fredl | hey folks, is there a way to find out which process is sending resolver queries? |
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| 18:17.59 | dgriffi | jelly-home: I think I've found my solution.. that bug report I referenced ended in a patch to df and mount that corrects the super-wideness gripe |
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| 18:18.13 | fredl | is that even possible? |
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| 18:21.45 | recon_lap | so aggravating , cant upload my OS backup to the server to restore it |
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| 18:22.23 | somiaj | recon_lap: do you have rsync on both machiens? It will transfer over ssh and make it so if it stalls you don't have to tstart the copy over |
| 18:22.40 | dgriffi | fredl: is what even possible? |
| 18:23.18 | JamesGatz | Is it possible to get a global menu (like Unity's on Ubuntu) on the Debian desktop? |
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| 18:23.34 | somiaj | JamesGatz: what desktop? Debian provides more than one |
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| 18:23.48 | fredl | dgriffi - finding out which specific process is trying to do a DNS lookup |
| 18:23.54 | somiaj | JamesGatz: debian also provedes a debian 'menu' package the integrates with debian packages to create menus for the various desktops |
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| 18:30.26 | recon_lap | somiaj: afraid not , guess I'll go install it. |
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| 18:34.39 | somiaj | recon_lap: yea rsync is really nice, it has many uses, one is being able to resume copies on large file systems. Note I don't htink it resumes the copy on a large file. You may need another tool to do that |
| 18:34.52 | somiaj | recon_lap: so are you copying up a large .tar, maybe get an sftp client |
| 18:35.59 | JamesGatz | somiaj: Are you familiar with Unity's global menus? |
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| 18:36.08 | jelly-home | somiaj: it does, for remote rsyncs |
| 18:36.29 | recon_lap | somiaj: it the OS backup, starting to think my VPS are crap for not providing a better way to do this |
| 18:37.55 | Alfarin | How do I set the default capath for openssl? I do openssl s_client -connect api.twitter.com:443 and verify fails (unable to get local issuer certificate) but if I do openssl s_client -CApath /etc/ssl/certs -connect api.twitter.com:443, it works just fine. I've edited /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf but it didn't seem to work :X |
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| 18:48.54 | enuguri | hi I am trying to configure trac to authenticate with ldap I am not sure where I am gng wrong can anyone plz help me |
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| 18:52.51 | tokern3 | hi. i want to add windows to my operating systems. but i don't know what to do: add win7 to virtualbox or add it to my hard? which is better? |
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| 18:54.46 | alfplayer | jimcooncat: there's http://liveusb.info/dotclear/ |
| 18:54.48 | tubaman | tokern3, what are you going to use win7 for(gaming, itunes, etc)? |
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| 18:55.33 | tokern3 | tubaman: 1- when i want to use socks 2-internet download manager 3-watch and listen media with kmplayer winamp |
| 18:55.45 | tokern3 | and also microsoft office |
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| 18:56.16 | tokern3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.28 | tubaman | virtualbox is the way to go... I only install win7 non-VM when I need direct access to the hardware or performance |
| 18:57.05 | tubaman | it will be slower than installing native... the question is: does it matter in your case? |
| 18:57.17 | jimcooncat | thanks alfplayer |
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| 18:57.46 | reavengrey | Hi, if I have an Xorg installation (vanilla, exactly how Debian left it) which does not seem to have an xorg.conf configuration file |
| 18:57.55 | tokern3 | tubaman: how much slower? so much? |
| 18:58.14 | reavengrey | And seems to have its .conf files in usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 18:58.30 | reavengrey | Instead of one of the locations listed in 'man Xorg' |
| 18:58.46 | reavengrey | Where would I go about trying to create an xorg.conf file? |
| 18:58.47 | tubaman | I don't have actual performance metrics on it |
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| 19:05.09 | debianN00b | hi |
| 19:05.19 | format_c | hi |
| 19:05.26 | Towzzer | hey |
| 19:05.51 | debianN00b | I am trying to update firefox from following guide : http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 19:06.30 | debianN00b | everything fine but when i run apt-get install -t experimental iceweasel , I get error : iceweasel : Depends: xulrunner-19.0 (>= 19.0.2-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 19:06.54 | debianN00b | I need to install xulrunner-19.0 ? |
| 19:07.33 | debianN00b | I am not daring to install some random things without advices from experts here :) |
| 19:07.42 | jelly-home | debianN00b: xulrunner is the better part of firefox/iceweasel, so yes |
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| 19:07.58 | debianN00b | ah nice |
| 19:08.02 | debianN00b | gonna install |
| 19:08.31 | debianN00b | oh shit, It also depend on many things |
| 19:09.00 | debianN00b | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.18 | debianN00b | So what i am going to jelly-home ? |
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| 19:09.31 | jelly-home | debianN00b: experimental is meant to be used with debian unstable. Which debian release are you using?> |
| 19:09.50 | debianN00b | i am using "testing" wheezy 7 |
| 19:10.37 | jelly-home | debianN00b: replace "apt-get" with "aptitude" in the command line |
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| 19:11.15 | jelly-home | pastebin the whole output, and don't just press "n" or quit aptitude when it asks you things. |
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| 19:11.58 | jelly-home | you can guide aptitude's offered choices so it leads to a successful installation |
| 19:12.09 | pppoe | I can dial my pppoe in win7 but when I dial from Debian via network manager I get authentication failure |
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| 19:13.48 | debianN00b | jelly-home, SHould i direly install the iceweasel using aptitude or the dependency? |
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| 19:14.26 | jelly-home | just iceweasel. |
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| 19:17.14 | debianN00b | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/xqhibqmP |
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| 19:18.09 | debianN00b | jelly-home, "Y" ? |
| 19:18.16 | jelly-home | debianN00b: you should have r1, rejected the offer to "remove iceweasel", since you want to install it. |
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| 19:18.26 | jelly-home | redo from start |
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| 19:18.50 | jelly-home | er. |
| 19:18.53 | jelly-home | debianN00b: you should have r1, rejected the offer to "keep current iceweasel", since you want to install it. |
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| 19:19.10 | debianN00b | 1) iceweasel [Not Installed] |
| 19:19.24 | debianN00b | 2) xulrunner-19.0 [Not Installed] |
| 19:19.33 | jelly-home | pastebin the whole thing again. the line above that 1) is important. |
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| 19:20.34 | debianN00b | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/yxGgL5Zp |
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| 19:20.45 | jelly-home | aptitude offers to do silly things for you, and that often includes doing the opposite of what the command was all about. However you can refuse or accept parts of what it suggests, and then tell it to try again |
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| 19:21.05 | amigamia | hi is anyone familiar with a debian derivitive called boss? |
| 19:21.08 | jelly-home | debianN00b: r1, then n |
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| 19:21.24 | MO_Handes | in the setup process it wants me to change the label of the flash (which is mounted on /media/cdrom) to "Debian GNU/Linux blah blah" how can I do it? |
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| 19:21.33 | jelly-home | debianN00b: then pastebin the situation again |
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| 19:22.37 | jelly-home | !boss |
| 19:22.42 | dpkg | [boss] a powerful, annoying creature, usually devoid of any clue, especially when ordering people around. "Bharat Operating System Solutions" (BOSS), an Indian GNU/Linux distribution <based on debian>; support is at #boss-nrcfoss on irc.freenode.net and http://bosslinux.in/ |
| 19:22.52 | jelly-home | amigamia: that thing? They seem to have a channel. |
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| 19:22.57 | debianN00b | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/90kcnQkS |
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| 19:23.40 | LinuxGuy2020 | I'm currently running the testing branch and my USB mouse is acting goofy. Doesn't move in straight lines.It moves diagonally, and the horizontal and vertical sensitivity is not the same at all. Where do I report that. |
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| 19:24.23 | jelly-home | debianN00b: ok. That means aptitude can't find any way to install iceweasel from experimental. |
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| 19:25.12 | jelly-home | debianN00b: this is becuase of missing libnss3 (>= 2:3.14) which is only available in unstable |
| 19:25.56 | debianN00b | jelly-home, Should i include unstable source ? |
| 19:25.57 | jelly-home | debianN00b: you will have to make a real mess of your system to install iceweasel from exp. I suggest using iceweasel 17.0.x "esr" for the time being |
| 19:26.24 | debianN00b | jelly-home, I am okay with 15+ version of firefox |
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| 19:26.46 | debianN00b | How can i install 17? |
| 19:26.54 | jelly-home | debianN00b: pick testing and iceweasel version "esr" on the mozilla.d.n page |
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| 19:28.21 | jelly-home | let's see if that's broken as well, or works better |
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| 19:30.29 | debianN00b | jelly-home, apt-get update error: http://pastebin.com/dPCk21BB |
| 19:31.00 | debianN00b | i have added deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ experimental iceweasel-esr and removed the previous link |
| 19:31.18 | mac- | anyone who knows usb_modeswitch ? |
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| 19:31.40 | debianN00b | oh perhaps it was my network problem :( |
| 19:32.03 | jelly-home | debianN00b: you seem to have ipv6 support enabled, but no actual ipv6 connectivity |
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| 19:33.29 | jelly-home | debianN00b: as for the mozilla.debian.net key error, that's explained on the web page. Install pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring |
| 19:33.31 | debianN00b | jelly-home, this time signature does not match : W: GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net experimental Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 85A3D26506C4AE2A |
| 19:33.54 | jelly-home | debianN00b: after installing it, rerun aptitude update |
| 19:33.58 | mac- | http://pastebin.com/xkrcAZKL |
| 19:34.38 | mac- | why the hell there is no mention about usb_modeswitch when udev reached vendor/product IDs ? |
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| 19:35.10 | opr | hi friends, I want to be able to control which applications output through the headphones and which through the speakers (got jack speakers and usb headphones) can I do this / |
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| 19:35.25 | MO_Handes | in the setup process it wants me to change the label of the flash (which is mounted on /media/cdrom) to "Debian GNU/Linux blah blah" how can I do it? |
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| 19:35.43 | debianN00b | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/R8Q3XhVH |
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| 19:37.33 | jelly-home | debianN00b: eh... are you calling gpg manually? |
| 19:37.56 | debianN00b | jelly-home, nah , i just am following the guide from the page |
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| 19:39.06 | jelly-home | debianN00b: run it again |
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| 19:39.44 | jelly-home | debianN00b: or just skip that bit, run aptitude update again, and try installing again |
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| 19:41.58 | debianN00b | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/dxHch6ix , Will it install the version 17? |
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| 19:44.52 | jelly-home | debianN00b: it appears so! |
| 19:44.54 | john_rambo | I am using xfce stable. Openoffice is in the menu but cant create any docs |
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| 19:45.41 | debianN00b | jelly-home, I am installing , seems its okay . just small WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! , I just ignored |
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| 19:46.26 | jelly-home | debianN00b: hm, pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring was supposed to fix that warning |
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| 19:46.54 | debianN00b | i suppose so ... |
| 19:46.59 | jelly-home | try not to ignore those, or you may pull in malware one day |
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| 19:48.00 | debianN00b | Sure, But i have to learn how to install the signature key in proper way(No copy paste!) |
| 19:48.32 | jelly-home | merely installing pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring and running aptitude update ought to have done the trick |
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| 19:50.09 | john_rambo | I just want to install the openoffice writer. WHat is the package name ? |
| 19:50.44 | debianN00b | jelly-home, 17.0.3 ! |
| 19:51.09 | jelly-home | good, that's the up-to-date version for firefox esr |
| 19:51.10 | rudi_s | john_rambo: openoffice-writer? (or libreoffice-writer) |
| 19:51.12 | debianN00b | This is how peoples become real Linux's system administrator! |
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| 19:51.41 | jelly-home | by asking stuff on irc? Yes, in part. ;-) |
| 19:51.49 | john_rambo | rudi_s, openoffice is in the menus not libreoffice |
| 19:51.58 | debianN00b | :) |
| 19:52.09 | rudi_s | john_rambo: Well, on squeeze it's open on wheezy libreoffice. |
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| 19:52.10 | reavengrey | Hi, how can I go about asking Xorg to dump its current configuration into a fresh xorg.conf file? |
| 19:52.25 | jelly-home | john_rambo: what happens after you open oowriter, type some stuff in, then try to save it? |
| 19:53.22 | reavengrey | jelly-home: I've found that my X server is able to work with fbdev, but the optimal driver for my hardware (radeon HD6520) is the proprietary fglrx driver |
| 19:53.25 | john_rambo | jelly-home, when I click on openoffice in the menus it opens but all the links to create new document is greyed out |
| 19:53.41 | reavengrey | jelly-home: My installation has no xorg.conf, so it means X is auto detecting settings |
| 19:53.52 | reavengrey | I'd like to have a dump of its current automatically applied settings |
| 19:53.52 | jelly-home | john_rambo: ok, let's ignore the menus for a bit. Can you run oowriter & in a terminal? |
| 19:54.00 | debianN00b | jelly-home, I was tired of 2 Distro of linux which was stuck with Kernel 3.2 and i did not able to use my wifi even, crashing etc . But Debian is perfect! |
| 19:54.02 | reavengrey | And then change the driver to fglrx |
| 19:54.20 | reavengrey | Could you offer some guidance? |
| 19:54.31 | john_rambo | jelly-home, command not found |
| 19:55.22 | jelly-home | john_rambo: ok. Is package openoffice.org-writer installed? |
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| 19:55.37 | jelly-home | john_rambo: dpkg -l openoffice.org-writer | tail -n 1 |
| 19:56.05 | debianN00b | Is there any issue using the adobe flashplayer with debian firefox? Sometime i get slow browsing speed |
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| 19:56.35 | reavengrey | debianN00b: I went and got a build of mozilla firefox from nightly |
| 19:56.42 | john_rambo | jelly-home, un openoffice.org-writer <none> (no description available) |
| 19:57.03 | jelly-home | john_rambo: that's a negative, then. Go ahead and install it. |
| 19:57.11 | john_rambo | Okay |
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| 19:58.06 | jelly-home | john_rambo: you may also get the whole shebang by installing the openoffice.org metapackage |
| 19:58.13 | debianN00b | reavengrey, you are not using firefox from debian? |
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| 19:59.06 | john_rambo | jelly-home, No, I just want the writer. As I am typing in xchat my pc is beeping continuously |
| 19:59.22 | reavengrey | debianN00b: No, I don't use iceweasel |
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| 20:00.15 | debianN00b | firefox nightly is not for testing only? reavengrey |
| 20:00.26 | reavengrey | You can get backversions |
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| 20:00.34 | reavengrey | Like, current nightly is v21 or something |
| 20:00.37 | reavengrey | I took version 19 |
| 20:00.40 | reavengrey | A stable release |
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| 20:01.14 | reavengrey | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/19.0-candidates/build1/ |
| 20:01.32 | abrotman | use mozilla.debian.net |
| 20:01.37 | reavengrey | can choose linux-x86 or the 64 bit build |
| 20:02.48 | reavengrey | abrotman: Hi, when one uses Xorg -configure, a guess config file is generated -- the guess configuration generated by my Xorg is terribad and doesn't work |
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| 20:03.03 | reavengrey | but running Xorg without a config file works |
| 20:03.08 | reavengrey | And my system has no xorg config file |
| 20:03.26 | reavengrey | I did a full find / -type f | grep 'xorg.conf' |
| 20:03.30 | reavengrey | Nothing |
| 20:03.38 | jelly-home | reavengrey: ok... is there a question? |
| 20:03.56 | reavengrey | So, if possible, I'd like to know if there's a way to cause Xorg to dumpm its current working config to a confgi file |
| 20:04.05 | jelly-home | not really :-( |
| 20:04.09 | reavengrey | Since Xorg -configure doesn't generate whatever it auto detects on load |
| 20:04.14 | reavengrey | Ah, kk ty |
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| 20:06.13 | abrotman | it should? |
| 20:06.23 | reavengrey | I'd like to think so |
| 20:06.37 | reavengrey | Or did you mean, the config generated by -configure should work? |
| 20:07.04 | reavengrey | I dropped into runlevel 1 and ran -configure, then I copied the file that was generated into /etc/X11/ |
| 20:07.26 | reavengrey | Wholesale, no changes, and it cause my screen to flash repeatedly, continuously |
| 20:07.37 | reavengrey | Deleting the file, cause my x session to work again |
| 20:07.49 | reavengrey | The core issue here is that my installation uses fbdev driver |
| 20:08.00 | reavengrey | When the "correct" driver is either radeon or fglrx |
| 20:08.17 | abrotman | did you read the wiki about fglrx? |
| 20:08.32 | reavengrey | Yes, and I've done as much as I can to follow it |
| 20:08.50 | reavengrey | I'm pretty bad with Linux internals, I don't reading |
| 20:08.55 | reavengrey | *I don't mind reading |
| 20:09.53 | reavengrey | Kk, going back over the various things I read |
| 20:10.00 | reavengrey | brb if I get nowhere |
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| 20:10.05 | reavengrey | \o/ |
| 20:10.10 | debianN00b | is there any risk using firefox debian from firefox.com? I don't want remove iceweasel , i just want to test firefox from real source only. |
| 20:10.33 | abrotman | debianN00b: we dont support it |
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| 20:11.01 | debianN00b | abrotman, i know, No advices too .. right? |
| 20:11.12 | abrotman | not from me |
| 20:11.22 | debianN00b | ok |
| 20:11.42 | abrotman | would say flash is the problem, not iceweasel |
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| 20:13.39 | debianN00b | abrotman, Okay, I will test it after removing the flash... But it suddenly have wired browsing speed(sometime even "Not found") |
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| 20:17.17 | Bronz_ | hi, trying to find the correct command name or option to use the network manager from the command line, all I recal is it has "cli" in the name or the option and I cant winkle it out of the system |
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| 20:18.16 | Bronz_ | aha - nmcli |
| 20:18.20 | Bronz_ | thanks |
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| 20:19.57 | debianN00b | abrotman, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=70529 |
| 20:20.03 | debianN00b | same issue |
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| 20:22.41 | azizLIGHTS | is there a way to see what time a power outage happened |
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| 20:23.15 | digdilem | azizLIGHTS, /var/log/syslog often has stuff happening. when that stops, followed by startup messages, might be a clue |
| 20:23.21 | rryoumaa | find the most recent access time |
| 20:23.30 | digdilem | but for accuracy, you want a third party monitoring thing like nagios |
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| 20:23.48 | abrotman | or an UPS daemon |
| 20:23.50 | ompaul | azizLIGHTS: if you have a ups yes, else it's a stab in the dark sometime between the last log file and the restart |
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| 20:24.37 | azizLIGHTS | i should have left the bios to power on automatically after the power outage |
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| 20:33.34 | defenestrator | azizLIGHTS: is your nick a reference to fifth element? |
| 20:33.46 | azizLIGHTS | yes :) |
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| 20:34.34 | defenestrator | haha |
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| 20:45.59 | boudiccas | where does 'fslint' delete its files to please when run? |
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| 20:47.30 | kdawg | k |
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| 20:49.43 | zykotick9 | boudiccas: i rather doubt that fslint uses a trash-like feature, if that's what you are asking. |
| 20:49.53 | boudiccas | ooops |
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| 20:50.59 | philipp__ | hey, anyone know how to set pulseaudio to a specific output device? |
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| 20:53.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | philipp__, you cannot do it with pavucontrol? |
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| 20:54.53 | philipp__ | CutMeOwnThroat: so how can i do it? |
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| 20:55.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | DID you try calling pavucontrol and setting it in there? |
| 20:55.54 | philipp__ | CutMeOwnThroat: yes but that would cange my general output for ALL programs. I just want it to changed for espeak |
| 20:56.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not what you asked, though |
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| 20:58.10 | philipp__ | CutMeOwnThroat: turend out pavucontrol can do it |
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| 21:01.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | philipp__, how? |
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| 21:02.03 | philipp__ | you can change the output for 1 application to an other device |
| 21:02.08 | philipp__ | on playback |
| 21:02.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, haven't seen that in puvcontrol |
| 21:02.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | but then... only have it in wheezy at work, where I hardly ever use sound |
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| 21:03.57 | jelly-home | philipp__: and pa remembers it for next time it's started. The only bad thing is you can only change it with pavucontrol if the app is open right now |
| 21:03.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, and also only have one sound device there... no wonder :) |
| 21:03.59 | philipp__ | CutMeOwnThroat: superb! getting espeak output into my microphone |
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| 21:04.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | your microphone is speaking?! |
| 21:04.41 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: most GPUs give you a second device, their hdmi output |
| 21:04.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | /o\ |
| 21:04.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | who's got gpus |
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| 21:05.06 | jelly-home | intel cpus and chipsets do |
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| 21:05.11 | jelly-home | most webcams now have a microphone as well |
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| 21:05.33 | jelly-home | thus bringing the typical number of audio cards to at least 2-3 |
| 21:05.42 | philipp__ | okey guys... can you help me creating a dummy output device? |
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| 21:05.55 | jelly-home | what for? |
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| 21:06.16 | jelly-home | doesn't know how because he never needed it |
| 21:06.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think that gets more into the direction of #pulseaudio |
| 21:07.11 | philipp__ | jelly-home: i want espeak to send the output there, then i say skype/teamspeak to capture it as microphone. |
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| 21:07.32 | blastwave | is there a location to download old debian ETCH cdroms ? |
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| 21:07.57 | jelly-home | blastwave: cdarchive.debian.org ? |
| 21:08.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | blastwave, http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 21:08.11 | blastwave | cool .. let me look |
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| 21:08.38 | jelly-home | blastwave: make that http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ |
| 21:09.58 | blastwave | okay .. found .. some empty dir for dvd images .. there may be a cd image .. |
| 21:10.37 | blastwave | found something here http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/4.0_r9/powerpc/iso-cd/ |
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| 21:11.04 | jelly-home | blastwave: you'd use jigdo files and packages from archive.debian.org to recreate full iso images if you needed them |
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| 21:11.06 | blastwave | unless anyone knows of some docs for the powerpc port that will work on older equipment .. looks like CHRP is not supported at all |
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| 21:11.43 | blastwave | has no clue what a "jigdo file" is |
| 21:11.51 | jelly-home | netinst image seems to be available in http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/4.0_r9/powerpc/iso-cd/ |
| 21:12.01 | f8l | blastwave: apt-get install jigdo-lite # ;-) |
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| 21:14.05 | philipp__ | hey, someone know how to create a fake output device where you can send sound too but nothing happens? |
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| 21:15.54 | jelly-home | blastwave: it's just an instruction of what packages to put in correct places to recreate an .iso image |
| 21:16.42 | jelly-home | blastwave: I'd suggest looking at install guides for etch or sarge or even woody, see if there's mention of CHRP |
| 21:16.50 | jelly-home | also, |
| 21:16.52 | jelly-home | !powerpc |
| 21:16.53 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <macsound>, <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:17.21 | jelly-home | (the channel(s)) |
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| 21:24.34 | blastwave | okay .. thanks all |
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| 21:39.46 | Kloxi | hello, i cant decide between debian and gentoo, and want to know from you guys: What can I expect from a debian system? What are the positive sites? |
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| 21:40.47 | mtn | Kloxi: http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
| 21:41.00 | abrotman | Kloxi: what attributes in an OS are you looking for? |
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| 21:41.57 | reavengrey | !tell reavengrey about squeeze->wheezy |
| 21:42.29 | Kloxi | abrotman: I would say, it should be fast and optimized for my computer, to use the best perfomance. And for sure, it should be stable, easy to manage packages. Secure, too. |
| 21:42.34 | Kloxi | abrotman: I think thats it. |
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| 21:42.59 | bga_ | Kloxi is stable but old. Gentoo is fresh, require more skills, manual compilation of everything (prepare to pay alot) |
| 21:43.30 | abrotman | Kloxi: you're looking at the amd64 arch? |
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| 21:43.50 | Kloxi | bga_: With old you mean, programs got old versions? So, the newer one doesnt 'work' safe? |
| 21:43.55 | Kloxi | abrotman: Yes amd64 |
| 21:44.07 | rryoumaa | iirc, they both have large repos, maybe those are the two largest, but debian is binary by default, which is imo good. |
| 21:44.08 | bga_ | extractly |
| 21:44.18 | Kloxi | extract :P |
| 21:44.19 | abrotman | Kloxi: stable has an older set of packages, but Debian will be more stable in most cases |
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| 21:44.59 | boleklolek | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kloxi -about install wheezy |
| 21:45.05 | Kloxi | abrotman: Hows about kernel compiling, would it be suggested under debian to compile the own kernel, or use the debians? |
| 21:45.16 | babilen | boleklolek: *Never* do that in a channel and change your password *now* |
| 21:45.18 | jelly-home | boleklolek: might want to change that password, eh |
| 21:45.22 | SpacedOut | I'm looking for a replacement for the old xmms audio player. Something lightweight, will take the list of files from the command line and play those (xmms2's client/server playlist model doesn't support that), play, pause, seek, volume, no video strobe window for just audio (xine). |
| 21:45.53 | abrotman | Kloxi: you can do as you wish, but if we(IRC helpers) suspect that a problem is kernel-related, we may make you prove the problem still exists with a packaged kernel |
| 21:45.55 | babilen | boleklolek: (and use stronger passwords next time, if you used that password for more than one account change it there too) |
| 21:46.07 | abrotman | Kloxi: but yes, as babilen pointed out, i'd recommend installing wheezy at this point |
| 21:46.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kloxi -about firmware images wheezy |
| 21:46.17 | deldenk | Kloxi: Arch runs in most cases much faster then debian. since the last 8-9 month i manage both systems |
| 21:46.20 | abrotman | Kloxi: much newer, about to be released as stable (within a few months) |
| 21:46.51 | deldenk | Kloxi: arch = rolling release |
| 21:46.56 | abrotman | deldenk: thank you for confusing the situation even more ... |
| 21:47.17 | babilen | Kloxi: Give Debian a try. I can assure you that it is a good distribution and that you will like it. If you realise that you do have certain problems come here and discuss your options. Most problems (e.g. "I want version X.Y.Z of FOO") can be solved pretty easily. |
| 21:47.42 | deldenk | Kloxi: but after all - my choice is debian! |
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| 21:49.11 | Kloxi | babilen: For sure I will give it a try, I search an OS as my main system, so everything must be fine (for me in this case). And, I want to start programming, too. And looking up for a community to work together as a team, which program language is supported for debian developement? |
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| 21:49.37 | babilen | Kloxi: If you decide to use Debian I would recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/ (also see "/msg dpkg debian handbook") in due course. |
| 21:49.41 | Pumtrix | Hi, When I'm trying to set up a Mobile Data connection.. I get to the end page and all the options are greyed out and so is also the Save button. Any ideas? |
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| 21:50.14 | Pumtrix | It identifies the correct device upon setting up the connection. |
| 21:50.26 | Pumtrix | I've also installed modeswitch. |
| 21:51.01 | babilen | Kloxi: Debian has very good support for a plethora of programming languages. In fact you will probably be hard pressed to find a distribution with more packages in the repositories than Debian. |
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| 21:51.44 | abrotman | dpkg: dstats unstable |
| 21:51.59 | SpacedOut | Just wanted to let everyone know that with the multiarch in wheezy I did an i386 to amd64 changeover in place without reverting to a fresh install. The manual process is a pain and had some rocks, but I made it through it. |
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| 21:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | SpacedOut, \o/ |
| 21:52.40 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 39294 packages, 2306 maintainers, 130865 MB installed size, 51133 MB compressed size. |
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| 21:53.15 | Kloxi | That seems really great for me. My last question would be : What do you think about Ubuntu, is it the 'look' that makes ubuntu "ubuntu". Or are there any changes? |
| 21:53.23 | tuvwx | SpacedOut: trans-arch ;) |
| 21:53.28 | babilen | Kloxi: I do not see the point in trying to convince you to use Debian. My wish would be that you use the system you feel most comfortable with and if it turns out that this system is Debian then I am even happier. I can assure you that Debian is a very reasonable decision if you are looking for a reliable platform and a supportive community. There are also many different ways in which you can run your Debian system (from "I want packages with ... |
| 21:53.34 | babilen | ... some testing" to "Give me the bleeding edge") that cater to different needs. |
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| 21:53.41 | neon__ | anyone know how to fancontrol asus p5k? |
| 21:53.45 | owen1 | i try to enable trackpoint scrolling on my thinkpad. the instruction tells me to create a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-thinkpad.conf but i don't have xorg.conf folder! |
| 21:53.47 | owen1 | any ideas+ |
| 21:53.50 | owen1 | ? |
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| 21:54.47 | Kloxi | babilen: Yeah, downloading right now the Net-installer :P |
| 21:54.54 | tuvwx | owen1: create it |
| 21:54.57 | abrotman | owen1: you mean you don't have an xorg.conf.d folder? |
| 21:55.34 | babilen | Kloxi: (presumably the wheezy netinst with firmware?) |
| 21:55.41 | owen1 | abrotman: correct |
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| 21:56.06 | owen1 | here is ls /etc/X11: app-defaults fonts rgb.txt X xinit xkb Xreset Xreset.d Xresources Xsession Xsession.d Xsession.options XvMCConfig Xwrapper.config |
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| 21:56.34 | Kloxi | babilen: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst the amd64 version. |
| 21:56.46 | Kloxi | babilen: I dont know what you mean 'with firmware'. |
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| 21:57.17 | petn-randall | Does anyone have detailed info on CVE-2013-1051? |
| 21:57.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kloxi -about firmware images wheezy |
| 21:57.43 | SpacedOut | I tried to write a program to automatically replace the i386 with amd64 packages, and that helped, but aptitude was a real pain because my program didn't record that I wanted the packages removed and so I had to manually tell it that. One warning is the automated upgrade would remove i386 dpkg, then try to install amd64 dpkg, which fails for obvious reasons, Packages like that installing the amd64 version will remove the i386 so you can't do it |
| 21:57.43 | SpacedOut | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.47 | babilen | Kloxi: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/ ← you want that version |
| 21:58.09 | Kloxi | So for example, supports packages like Adobe flash etc.? |
| 21:58.13 | Kloxi | NON-GNU |
| 21:58.14 | babilen | yes |
| 21:58.16 | Kloxi | Ok |
| 21:59.12 | SpacedOut | Now that I've lost xmms in the upgrade, what would be a good gui program for audio playback to playback a list of files on the command line? |
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| 21:59.32 | babilen | Kloxi: You would enable archive areas called "contrib" and "non-free" for that and you can then install proprietary software such as flash. See <adobe flash> <contrib> and <non-free> for details. (/msg dpkg contrib) |
| 21:59.40 | abrotman | SpacedOut: audacity is a general replacement |
| 21:59.43 | petn-randall | SpacedOut: why don't you just re-install it? |
| 21:59.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kloxi -about install guide wheezy |
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| 22:00.29 | SpacedOut | xmms hasn't been in the Debian archives for I don't know how many release. Audacity is an editor and I do use it, but I don't want to decode the entire file just to play it back. |
| 22:00.29 | abrotman | petn-randall: xmms1 is gone |
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| 22:00.38 | abrotman | SpacedOut: sorry, audacious is what i meant |
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| 22:01.56 | petn-randall | SpacedOut: ah, you also went from squeeze to wheezy in the arch changing process? |
| 22:02.16 | babilen | Kloxi: Do you have any idea which desktop environment (if any) you would like to use? (e.g. Gnome 3, XFCE, LXDE, KDE) |
| 22:02.20 | SpacedOut | abrotman: audacious sounds like it is what I'm looking for thanks. |
| 22:02.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | petn-randall, I guess he had xmms left over from before.... upgrades don't remove packages that cannot be upgraded if they don't cause conflicts |
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| 22:03.07 | SpacedOut | petn-randall: Yes, but don't do that directly. Upgrade to wheezy i386 before attempting the changeover. |
| 22:03.29 | petn-randall | SpacedOut: I'm not planning on an arch changeover :) |
| 22:04.08 | Kloxi | babilen: I think I would use Gnome, and maybe try out XFCE or LXDE later, when knowledge comes :) |
| 22:04.10 | petn-randall | SpacedOut: Though I do admin a 64bit server with a i386 Debian at work. I might do the transition on that machine some time in the future. |
| 22:05.05 | SpacedOut | I did the arch changeover partway in a vm before trying it on the system I cared about. It isn't easy. |
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| 22:05.44 | babilen | Kloxi: That's fine. In that case you just have to install the "Desktop" task during the initial installation. You can easily install additional desktop environments later as you see fit. |
| 22:05.46 | Kloxi | babilen: But I think console will help me more to understand how Linux works, and how I get it to work. |
| 22:05.49 | abrotman | i'd be skeptical if it also is 100% done |
| 22:06.30 | Kloxi | babilen: Ok thank you. The handbook is fantastical, starts at 0, good work ! ;) |
| 22:07.31 | babilen | Kloxi: I would recommend to still install a graphical system and use terminals in there. :) Glad that you enjoy the handbook and it is definitely a good reference and introduction to Debian. There is also the "Debian Reference" and various other good introductory documents. |
| 22:07.31 | john_rambo | I am running Debian stable. At the end of every file mplayer crashes http://pastebin.com/7UmE8bEN |
| 22:07.34 | Kloxi | If I install the 7.0 without Firmware, am I able to add the support for non-free packages later? Is it only a 'mirror' that needs to be added later? |
| 22:07.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kloxi about introduction |
| 22:07.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kloxi about general cli tutorial |
| 22:08.26 | abrotman | Kloxi: yes, you can get the firmware later |
| 22:08.40 | babilen | Kloxi: That should cover the most important bits ;) (well, much more than that) -- Have fun! I bid you farewell now and hope you have a good and pleasant installation. Let us know if you run into problems. |
| 22:08.43 | owen1 | abrotman: so just created a folder called xorg.conf.d ? |
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| 22:09.59 | Kloxi | babilen: For sure I will, thanks for the friendly support. |
| 22:10.00 | babilen | Kloxi: If you ask this because you are currently not downloading the image I linked you to, I have to say: Don't continue. You are most likely downloading the stable squeeze version in that case and I wouldn't recommend to install that version right now. (we are /very/ close to releasing the next version) |
| 22:10.07 | abrotman | owen1: yes |
| 22:10.25 | abrotman | owen1: FWIW, "mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/" |
| 22:10.52 | babilen | Kloxi: If you ask because you download a wheezy installer without firmware: Yes, you can always install everyhting later on. That assumed that you can actually connect to the internet and, in particular, that your hardware for networking does not require that firmware. |
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| 22:11.03 | owen1 | abrotman: before doing it, i noticed that this exists - /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 22:11.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kloxi -about installer firmware |
| 22:11.21 | abrotman | owen1: not the same AFAIK |
| 22:11.23 | owen1 | abrotman: so maybe in wheezy the location changed? |
| 22:11.34 | abrotman | owen1: no, i use /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
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| 22:11.48 | owen1 | abrotman: ok. i'll try it |
| 22:12.05 | babilen | Kloxi: So, that's it for now. Just make sure you install wheezy (and best use the installer with firmware) :) |
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| 22:13.59 | Deele | hello |
| 22:14.25 | Deele | anyone can help set up my first NS/DNS server |
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| 22:14.45 | abrotman | Deele: which version of linux are you using? |
| 22:14.46 | Deele | I'm really confused with so many new words... |
| 22:14.51 | Deele | debian 6 |
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| 22:14.58 | abrotman | Deele: have you read the Bind ARM ? |
| 22:15.02 | Deele | working from webmine |
| 22:15.09 | abrotman | i can't help with Webmin |
| 22:15.26 | Deele | it is just interface for config files |
| 22:15.33 | abrotman | i know what it is .. |
| 22:15.37 | Deele | BIND DNS Server |
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| 22:15.59 | abrotman | have you read the Bind ARM? |
| 22:16.03 | Deele | arm? |
| 22:16.08 | Deele | manual? |
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| 22:18.08 | Deele | abrotman, oh, it IS manual |
| 22:18.15 | Deele | no, I haven't |
| 22:18.15 | inthl | is spamhaus.org down via http just for me or is it really unavailable for 2 days by now? |
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| 22:18.23 | Deele | so many new words... |
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| 22:19.40 | jelly-home | inthl: <rob0> A Spamhaus rep on the bind-users list yesterday (I think) mentioned that they were under a DDoS attack. |
| 22:19.46 | abrotman | inthl: seems like the website is down, but the zone files are okay? |
| 22:19.59 | inthl | yes, but one of my servers is in the RBL |
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| 22:20.04 | inthl | and I can't get it removed |
| 22:20.19 | Kloxi | babilen: Thanks you, I will let you guys know if something doesnt work. Best wishes! |
| 22:20.31 | inthl | damn ddos I hope some lightning hits them while seated on the toilet |
| 22:20.47 | abrotman | inthl: seems like a convenient way to contain the mess? |
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| 22:23.48 | SpacedOut | abrotman: audacious with the winamp skin was even better than I was expecting, thanks for the tip. |
| 22:23.58 | parabyte | Bonded GRE Tunnels Via Debian |
| 22:24.00 | parabyte | can it be done |
| 22:24.07 | abrotman | SpacedOut: enjoy |
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| 22:25.06 | john_rambo | I have added the the multimedia repo & have installed deb-multimedia-keyring but still its says http://pastebin.com/aZnZRtif Should I go for it ? |
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| 22:50.55 | mitch|grounded | hm, it seems win32-loader does not work on my laptop... runs windows nt 4.0 |
| 22:51.02 | mitch|grounded | CD drive does not work so... |
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| 22:52.12 | fnmueller | detects wrong # |
| 22:52.37 | mitch|grounded | fnmueller: ? |
| 22:53.07 | fnmueller | mitch|grounded: nothing to add to that. No more comments needed.... |
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| 22:54.50 | mitch|grounded | I'm getting "Error: Unable to open \win32-loader\linux |
| 22:54.51 | mitch|grounded | " |
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| 22:55.36 | abrotman | mitch|grounded: while trying to install what? |
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| 22:57.59 | mitch|grounded | abrotman: I'm trying to use win32-loader to isntall debian |
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| 23:05.07 | owen1 | how to hibernate wheezy? 'sudo hibernate' |
| 23:05.14 | owen1 | and i get 'command not found' |
| 23:06.02 | fnmueller | owen1: what does uname .a tell you? |
| 23:06.11 | Nik05 | -a |
| 23:06.11 | fnmueller | uname -a, that is |
| 23:06.49 | owen1 | fnmueller: Linux laptop 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.39-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:07.05 | fnmueller | ok, which version of debian are you using? |
| 23:07.14 | owen1 | wheezy |
| 23:07.41 | owen1 | 7.0 |
| 23:07.46 | fnmueller | hmm, sorry, don't know anything about that, besides checking here, you might check debian-next on oftc |
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| 23:08.45 | fnmueller | owen1: personally, I would suspect there simply is no such command |
| 23:09.44 | owen1 | fnmueller: so how do i hibernate my laptop? thinkpad x120e |
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| 23:10.16 | owen1 | fnmueller: thanks for debian-next. didn't know such channel exist |
| 23:10.17 | mitch|grounded | It seems win32-installer just plain refuses to work on pre-XP systems... sucks because no working disk drive |
| 23:10.22 | mitch|grounded | and no floppies |
| 23:10.33 | mitch|grounded | or usb1.1 flash drives |
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| 23:12.06 | Duality | hey all |
| 23:12.22 | rww | owen1: pm-hibernate (from pm-utils) is how I usually do it at the command line |
| 23:12.43 | fnmueller | yepp |
| 23:12.52 | rww | though I usually don't do it at the command line, because that's what cute pointy-clicky things are for |
| 23:12.59 | Duality | can i install lxdm on debian ? |
| 23:13.24 | abrotman | Duality: don't think the package exists as of yet |
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| 23:13.36 | rww | It doesn't. The ITP is at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560004 |
| 23:13.47 | Duality | abrotman: so i have to build it myself ? |
| 23:13.55 | CissWit | owen1: i use /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh |
| 23:14.01 | abrotman | if you can't satisfy yourself with another DM, yes |
| 23:14.17 | Duality | ah well i'll wait till it's in the repos :) then i'll be sure it works |
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| 23:17.35 | fnmueller | owen1: hth, you are welcome |
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| 23:23.09 | owen1 | rww: sudo pm-hibernate did something. not sure yet |
| 23:23.29 | owen1 | screen light is off and the power light is blinking |
| 23:23.38 | owen1 | but i heard the cpu |
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| 23:27.21 | i_tarzan | which iso dvd files should i download (i386) in order to fully install kernel (squeeze) and grow up to postgres and pidgin ? |
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| 23:27.42 | abrotman | i_tarzan: if you have broadband, use the netinst |
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| 23:28.55 | i_tarzan | no broadband |
| 23:29.14 | abrotman | i'd guess DVD1 should be enough |
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| 23:32.08 | owen1 | rww: CissWit adding HIBERNATE_MODE="shutdown" to /etc/pm/config.d/hibernate_mode fixed my hibernation issue! |
| 23:32.46 | john_rambo | when I use open with smplayer video doesnt play but when I drag & drop on the smplayer window video starts |
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| 23:52.11 | cinvoke | debian or centos for just running mysql, python and mongodb? |
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| 23:53.08 | rww | Either would work. Given that you're in #debian, the one we'll pick seems rather obvious. |
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| 23:56.28 | somiaj | cinvoke: I'd say depends on your taste, I prefere debian. You may want to look at the versions offered by both as that could be important. |
| 23:56.46 | somiaj | as in mysql, python etc. |
| 23:57.16 | cinvoke | somiaj: good point. ty |
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| 23:59.45 | somiaj | cinvoke: in debian wheezy will be stable soon (few months maybe more) and squeeze will only have a year of security support from the release (though you can upgrade it to wheezy via apt) |
