| 00:00.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1289] by debhelper |
| 00:00.11 | wakd | should use mc more often |
| 00:00.13 | DestroyerZBR | ? |
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| 00:01.10 | shicy | DestroyerZBR, be more precise |
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| 00:02.23 | DestroyerZBR | shicy, I have a ATI radeon HD 2400, so I don`t know how to activate the accelleration 3d |
| 00:02.51 | DestroyerZBR | shicy, Now I`m using the "radeon" driver |
| 00:03.47 | DestroyerZBR | when I start a game, or something that uses 3d acceleration, the processor goes to 100% |
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| 00:04.54 | shicy | DestroyerZBR, look at this |
| 00:04.57 | shicy | http://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard#ATI |
| 00:05.03 | wakd | themill: when mc renders the manpage in 'more', I can't seem to PageUp. Maybe mc uses a pipe? |
| 00:05.27 | shicy | DestroyerZBR, http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 00:05.51 | shicy | it seems that you need radeonhd driver (if i'm right) |
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| 00:06.16 | Soru | Someone knows what does it means? → bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~doctormo/wizardpen/debian-packing": no supported schemes |
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| 00:07.13 | DestroyerZBR | shicy, should I use the proprietary driver or the radeon or radeonhd |
| 00:07.15 | DestroyerZBR | ? |
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| 00:07.29 | DestroyerZBR | shicy, I have a HD 2400 mobility |
| 00:08.37 | shicy | DestroyerZBR, have you installed firmware-linux-nonfree? |
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| 00:09.01 | DestroyerZBR | shicy, no |
| 00:09.10 | DestroyerZBR | shicy, I installed the fglrx |
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| 00:09.32 | shicy | you should install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 00:09.38 | DestroyerZBR | shicy, and I use it, so the performance is so bad |
| 00:09.57 | DestroyerZBR | shicy, Now I installed it |
| 00:10.16 | shicy | reboot and then try if anything changed |
| 00:10.43 | themill | wakd: hmmm.. pgup works here (also you can view it in the internal viewer with F3 rather than the external viewer with Enter) |
| 00:11.39 | DestroyerZBR | shicy, so I install according the website |
| 00:11.45 | DestroyerZBR | The proprietary driver |
| 00:12.22 | deveux | wakd: afaik, 'more' can't pageup, do you have 'less' installed? |
| 00:12.25 | themill | wakd: I do have PAGER=less though |
| 00:12.43 | shicy | did you, or not, install firmware-linux-nonfree? DestroyerZBR |
| 00:13.55 | DestroyerZBR | shicy, I installer it now |
| 00:14.18 | DestroyerZBR | when I tried to use this package wasn`t installed |
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| 00:14.36 | wakd | I am checking |
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| 00:15.08 | shicy | DestroyerZBR, now reboot your system |
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| 00:15.25 | shicy | and then you'll see if there is any improvements |
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| 00:16.21 | DestroyerZBR | shicy, but i should follow the steps in the website right? |
| 00:18.25 | wakd | Sorry I am slow. $PAGER is unset. When I am actually in the external viewer that mc has started, how can I test if it is 'less' ? |
| 00:19.02 | PlastikSpork | I am having an issue with "small white horizontal lines" flashing randomly on the scree and windows "redrawing" on the desktop when you move another window over the top of it. Also conky disappears when you move a window over it and takes a few seconds to redraw. Is this a video driver issue? Running new install of Debian Squeeze on Toshiba L305-S5934 laptop. |
| 00:19.23 | shicy | DestroyerZBR, if you installed firmware-linux-nonfree, just reboot your system |
| 00:19.24 | shicy | :D |
| 00:19.26 | shicy | please :D |
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| 00:20.00 | DestroyerZBR | shicy, ;P can you wait me come back please? |
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| 00:20.11 | shicy | i'll wait ;) |
| 00:20.12 | DestroyerZBR | shicy, I neeeeed your help |
| 00:20.31 | DestroyerZBR | shicy, Ohh thanks my friend, Rebooting |
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| 00:21.27 | themill | wakd: look in the process list at what mc is spawning ("ps f") |
| 00:22.05 | themill | wakd: but yeah, do you have the "less" package installed? |
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| 00:22.27 | wakd | my mc pager is 'more'. I checked by starting 'more' and 'less' in separate terminals, and comparing their help text, hehe |
| 00:22.45 | wakd | I have less. In future I will export $PAGER |
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| 00:23.39 | DestroyerZBR | shicy, I came back |
| 00:23.41 | shicy | are there any improvements, DestroyerZBR ? |
| 00:24.17 | DestroyerZBR | shicy, nops =/ |
| 00:24.57 | wakd | themill: also, thank you for giving me F3 in mc as alternative |
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| 00:25.59 | shicy | DestroyerZBR, according to this, you need radeonhd driver http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-radeonhd/plain/README |
| 00:26.17 | shicy | try that driver |
| 00:27.19 | shicy | i'm not sure, but maybe you should uninstall fglrx |
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| 00:29.05 | DestroyerZBR | shicy, I uninstalled it |
| 00:29.26 | shicy | ok, now try radeonhd driver |
| 00:29.39 | shicy | (as you can see, i'm not expert...) |
| 00:29.49 | PlastikSpork | shicy: when you are done helping Destroyer could you have a look at my issue? |
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| 00:30.44 | DestroyerZBR | shicy, I tryed it, but it conflicts with KMS |
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| 00:32.24 | shicy | DestroyerZBR, try this http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 00:32.44 | shicy | i don't know exactly how to help you :( |
| 00:33.14 | DestroyerZBR | shicy, no problems, thanks for your help! |
| 00:33.15 | shicy | solution from wiki should work... |
| 00:33.30 | shicy | no problem...i wish i could help more |
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| 00:34.13 | shicy | PlastikSpork, i saw you issue and i have no idea how to help you :( |
| 00:34.20 | shir | I think I screwed up my initrd |
| 00:34.43 | shir | For whatever reason, my ati radeon 4770 has hardware rendering disabled |
| 00:34.48 | shicy | maybe you should install new driver PlastikSpork |
| 00:35.09 | shir | [ 2.770809] [drm:r600_ring_test] *ERROR* radeon: ring test failed (scratch(0x8504)=0xCAFEDEAD) |
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| 00:37.18 | shicy | good night people :) |
| 00:38.00 | PlastikSpork | shicy: I've been looking at the documentation that you sent Destroyer... I don't seem to see if my graphics card is supported. I have a Radeon 3100 in a laptop |
| 00:38.38 | PlastikSpork | shicy: would you have any suggestions on which driver to try? |
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| 00:49.16 | leftyfb | I'm trying to run a script right before shutdown. I've created an init script, it's in /etc/init.d/ symlinked to rc0.d and rc6.d and is executable and begins with K01. It's not being run at all. I tried just putting a plain bash script in /etc/rc6.d/K01test and just have "/usr/bin/touch /root/file" and it's not being run either. Mind you, the proper init script runs if I run with with "stop" as does the test script if I just run it. |
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| 00:59.22 | somiaj | leftyfb: have you checked out the LSBHeaders |
| 00:59.29 | somiaj | leftyfb: I belive K01 scripts are ignored |
| 01:00.07 | somiaj | hmm, maybe not, but anyways, I would make sure teh LSBHeaders are correct |
| 01:00.25 | leftyfb | LSBHeaders? |
| 01:00.41 | somiaj | leftyfb: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 01:01.05 | leftyfb | that all works |
| 01:01.09 | leftyfb | it starts up on boot |
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| 01:01.20 | leftyfb | starts, stops, restarts and status's fun manally |
| 01:01.32 | leftyfb | but isn't called at all during reboot or shutdown |
| 01:01.49 | leftyfb | NOTHING I put into rc0 or rc6 seems to run on reboot or halt |
| 01:02.25 | leftyfb | but they all run fine manually |
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| 01:03.40 | abrotman | tried changing it to like K50 ? |
| 01:03.54 | leftyfb | nope |
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| 01:04.38 | leftyfb | didn't work |
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| 01:06.32 | abrotman | and logs no errors? |
| 01:07.28 | leftyfb | nope |
| 01:07.40 | leftyfb | grepped the entire /var/log for the name of the script |
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| 01:10.39 | themill | leftyfb: how are you testing this? |
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| 01:10.59 | leftyfb | running manually, rebooting, halting |
| 01:11.10 | themill | that's not really an answer |
| 01:11.26 | themill | or rather, it doesn't tell me anything I didn't know |
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| 01:11.57 | leftyfb | then I don't know what you're asking beyond what I've already said I've tried |
| 01:12.16 | themill | perhaps I'm wanting specifics? |
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| 01:12.46 | themill | do you shutdown by kicking the plug out of the wall? from a UPS signal? from telinit 0? |
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| 01:13.18 | leftyfb | 'shutdown -h now' or 'reboot' |
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| 01:22.17 | aieq | is it possible to create a symlink so that any files starting with say '123' are instead created in another directory? |
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| 01:24.30 | peterrooney | aieq: No. However, it seems prudent to ask, "What are you REALLY trying to do?" |
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| 01:27.26 | bmomjian | I just did 'upgrade' from the cpan command-line on Squeeze; should I restore the perl directory; I am afraid this will break something |
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| 01:28.51 | themill | bmomjian: did it upgrade perl modules installed from debian packages or only locally installed stuff? |
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| 01:29.09 | bmomjian | uh, I don't know |
| 01:29.24 | bmomjian | I do have a full backup from last night |
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| 01:29.46 | bmomjian | I didn't qualify the upgrade, I just said 'upgrade' |
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| 01:30.14 | bmomjian | it is doing a lot of stuff now. >:o |
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| 01:33.43 | bmomjian | do I just restore the ./usr/share/perl/5.10.1/ directory? |
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| 01:36.26 | themill | bmomjian: if there are perl modules that have built stuff, they'll be in /usr/lib too. You might like to run "debsums" to see if/what has been changed. |
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| 01:38.01 | Zeeflo | what would you suggest if I needed to run a virtual server on my server? |
| 01:38.54 | daemonkeeper | Windows Hyper-V |
| 01:39.09 | somiaj | Zeeflo: kvm or virtualbox will both work. some like xen, but I think that is the hardest of teh three to setup |
| 01:39.35 | Zeeflo | i have to be able to install it on my server without deleting anything |
| 01:39.37 | somiaj | virtualbox being the easiest im my experience |
| 01:39.47 | somiaj | either kvm or virtual box can do that. |
| 01:39.49 | daemonkeeper | Virtualbox is completely unsuitable for servers. |
| 01:39.54 | somiaj | kvm is my prefered one |
| 01:39.59 | Zeeflo | its running squeeze |
| 01:40.12 | Zeeflo | could I install kvm onto my squeeze server then? |
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| 01:40.56 | zykotick9 | Zeeflo: be aware, kvm does REQUIRE your CPU to support virtualization |
| 01:41.26 | Zeeflo | ohh! My cpu's will support it! |
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| 01:42.22 | Zeeflo | so, kvm? |
| 01:42.47 | daemonkeeper | Three people will give you three opinions. |
| 01:43.19 | Zeeflo | the virtual server only has to run ms sql server |
| 01:43.23 | cjfs | I'll go with kvm |
| 01:43.29 | cjfs | need someone to take the other two |
| 01:43.35 | daemonkeeper | I take Xen |
| 01:43.43 | cjfs | 1 more |
| 01:43.44 | Zeeflo | xen requires a reinstall |
| 01:43.48 | Zeeflo | thats not an option |
| 01:43.50 | daemonkeeper | Zeeflo: wut? |
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| 01:44.08 | Zeeflo | isnt xen server an O/S in it self? |
| 01:44.25 | daemonkeeper | apt-get install xen-hypervisor-4.0-amd64. Reboot. Done. |
| 01:44.41 | Zeeflo | hmm |
| 01:44.49 | daemonkeeper | well, apt-get install xen-linux-system-2.6-xen-amd64 really. |
| 01:45.02 | Zeeflo | does it have a control panel of sorts? |
| 01:45.11 | daemonkeeper | No. Neither has KVM btw. |
| 01:45.14 | Zeeflo | where i can install images.. etc |
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| 01:45.29 | Zeeflo | how would I create VM's then? |
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| 01:45.50 | daemonkeeper | Using the respective tools. But you got nothing to click. |
| 01:46.06 | Zeeflo | ah ok |
| 01:46.09 | Zeeflo | text based |
| 01:46.26 | Zeeflo | i was just wondering if there was a web based control panel or something |
| 01:46.34 | Zeeflo | tutorials are always easy to find |
| 01:46.36 | daemonkeeper | Surely. |
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| 01:46.54 | zykotick9 | Zeeflo: i just wish teh debian netinst was text based, so i could run it in kvm-curses mode :( |
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| 01:50.14 | daemonkeeper | zykotick9: xen-create-image will create you a Debian installation in less than 2 minutes. |
| 01:50.30 | Zeeflo | what? |
| 01:50.43 | daemonkeeper | Virtually nobody needs to run the Debian installer to install Debian in virtual machines |
| 01:50.45 | Zeeflo | will that create a debian install with xen in it? |
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| 01:51.00 | daemonkeeper | Vice versa, it creates a Debian inside a Xen guest. |
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| 01:51.18 | zykotick9 | daemonkeeper: thanks, i'll look into that. would make my life a lot easier. |
| 01:51.30 | daemonkeeper | It's in xen-tools |
| 01:51.39 | Zeeflo | hmmm... |
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| 01:52.04 | Zeeflo | Ok.. Would it be better to have xen installed as O/S and then create a Debian and MS SQL VM ? |
| 01:52.27 | daemonkeeper | Not if you ask cjfs |
| 01:52.44 | Zeeflo | would a xen debian install run as good as normally? |
| 01:53.02 | daemonkeeper | As said, no need to run the installer. |
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| 01:53.22 | daemonkeeper | Setting up a Debian guest, runs from a single command. |
| 01:54.18 | peterrooney | daemonkeeper: how else would I get debian running in a virtual machine? |
| 01:55.29 | peterrooney | ...aside from the problematic debootstrap, which requires (last I checked) manual intervention for fstab and interfaces, at least. |
| 01:55.54 | daemonkeeper | peterrooney: As a said, use xen-create-image (which creates an image, uses debootstrap and does network, kernel, boot, formatting for you automatically) |
| 01:56.18 | daemonkeeper | xen-create-image creates a ready to use, bootable Debian. |
| 01:56.22 | daemonkeeper | (Or Ubuntu) |
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| 01:57.43 | daemonkeeper | KVM has probably something similar. |
| 01:58.11 | bmomjian | Oops, spamassasin was updated too; seems I need to restore that too |
| 01:58.33 | daemonkeeper | Yes. I am to blame. |
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| 02:00.57 | peterrooney | daemonkeeper: Thank you. Looks good, may have to lose an evening looking into that. |
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| 02:13.09 | beyonddevnull | Hi, I am trying to find the location of the default "desktop wallpaper" in my "live-build" configuration. Can someone tell me where that would be located? |
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| 02:14.22 | themill | beyonddevnull: does the desktop-base package get pulled in? that normally gives the default wallpaper |
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| 02:16.21 | beyonddevnull | themill: yes it is. |
| 02:17.21 | beyonddevnull | themill: I do not want that one though, is there a way I can run a script during build time that will change it? |
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| 02:18.28 | themill | You could probably just not install the desktop-base package. I have no idea how whatever window manager you are using there sets its wallpaper though. |
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| 02:20.39 | beyonddevnull | themill: lxde; but I would like a custom one set. Is there a way to do that? |
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| 02:30.31 | themill | beyonddevnull: sure -- I would imagine you just need to tell the build to include a config file for lxde to do that and the wallpaper file itself. |
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| 02:37.44 | beyonddevnull | themill: is there any sort of documentation on how to do that though? |
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| 02:39.36 | themill | I assume lxde has documentation on what to do for it; live-* also has plenty of documentation -- I don't know if you need to put the files in a package or if you can just include files though. |
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| 02:43.59 | beyonddevnull | themill: thank's, I'll look into it |
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| 03:58.47 | bmomjian | turns out that my install was all in /usr/local because I am restoring /usr/local/lib/perl, /usr/local/share/perl, and .cpan |
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| 04:11.06 | innociv | Is there a way to have monit stop a program, wait some seconds or minutes, then start it, instead of stopping and starting immediately? |
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| 04:41.26 | shawnbon206 | Hey |
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| 05:29.43 | boudiccas | i've just added some things to hte menu, how do i 'refresh' the menu such that tehy appear please? |
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| 05:30.35 | rwp | boudiccas, Which menu? |
| 05:30.57 | boudiccas | gnome and lxde |
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| 05:42.56 | solidus-lake | is it possible to set up debian rules to not only use dh_python but also copy some files to the /? |
| 05:43.01 | solidus-lake | *root |
| 05:43.13 | solidus-lake | can i just put copying rules after the dh_python rules? |
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| 05:47.07 | phy1729 | Is there a scriptable way to add non-free to sources.list ? |
| 05:47.40 | grothendieck | phy1729: Yes, write a script to do it. |
| 05:48.07 | ParkerR | phy1729, echo "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:48.35 | ParkerR | Can also be changed to wheezy |
| 05:48.54 | phy1729 | right that'll be codename specific |
| 05:49.06 | phy1729 | although I suppose it doesn't chage very often anyway |
| 05:50.07 | phy1729 | just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing some apt-config option. thanks |
| 05:54.13 | grothendieck | for LINE in `cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep -v "^#"` ; do [ if -n "$LINE" ] ; then sed -e s/$LINE/$LINE non-free/ -i /etc/apt/sources.list ; fi ; done |
| 05:54.17 | grothendieck | something like that |
| 05:55.11 | grothendieck | that should just append 'non-free' to every non-empty line of sources.list that isn't a comment |
| 05:55.25 | grothendieck | honestly you could do it with a single sed script |
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| 05:55.36 | grothendieck | s/script/command/ |
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| 05:56.09 | grothendieck | or a single line of perl ;) |
| 05:56.23 | grothendieck | there's always a scriptable way to do anything |
| 05:57.18 | grothendieck | oops |
| 05:57.37 | grothendieck | for LINE in `cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep -v "^#"` ; do if [ -n "$LINE" ] ; then sed -e s/$LINE/$LINE non-free/ -i /etc/apt/sources.list ; fi ; done |
| 05:57.41 | grothendieck | mistyped |
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| 05:59.40 | grothendieck | for LINE in `cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep "^deb" | grep -v 'non-free'` ; do sed -e s/$LINE/$LINE non-free/ -i /etc/apt/sources.list ; done |
| 05:59.42 | phy1729 | grothendieck: but who wants non-free security and sources? |
| 05:59.54 | grothendieck | then add them to the -v |
| 06:00.06 | phy1729 | sed 's/$/ non-free/' |
| 06:00.31 | grothendieck | for LINE in `cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep "^deb" | egrep -v '(non-free|sources|security')` ; do sed -e s/$LINE/$LINE non-free/ -i /etc/apt/sources.list ; done |
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| 06:00.58 | grothendieck | yah good poiint with that sed |
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| 06:01.36 | grothendieck | I guess that initial 'cat' is also superfluous |
| 06:01.37 | grothendieck | whatever :P |
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| 06:02.00 | grothendieck | play with that and get something that owrks for you |
| 06:02.02 | grothendieck | I'm off, later |
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| 06:15.11 | adh0c | I'm having a postfix issue regarding receiving mail sent between two domains located on the same shared server. The mails are bouncing back with a "Status: 5.1.1" as well as: |
| 06:15.21 | adh0c | "Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 no mailbox by that name is currently available |
| 06:15.29 | adh0c | All the information I could google has returned a plethora of possibilities, many of which are not applicable: |
| 06:15.41 | adh0c | (eg. - both domains are on one shared server, antispam not being used on the client side) |
| 06:15.51 | adh0c | Any pointers in the right direction would be very helpful. |
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| 06:21.35 | hejux | hello, it's a little complicated, i have a proxy application, i run the server part on webenabled.net, it says listenning on 8080, but i my client part can't connect to that server port, this maybe because the server's firewall won't let me do it, how can i know which port on the server side is available to use? |
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| 07:07.30 | dizzylizzy | "Processing triggers for" messages when using aptitude take up like 90% of the entire time aptitude spends doing something |
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| 07:08.09 | dizzylizzy | I imagine it standing there frozen, a look of horror on its face, trying to process the terrifying memories that were just triggered, trying to process what was just seen |
| 07:08.20 | dizzylizzy | poor aptitude |
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| 07:11.55 | rryoumaa | it's just daydreaming |
| 07:12.02 | rryoumaa | don't worry |
| 07:12.11 | rryoumaa | what is a trigger/ |
| 07:12.12 | rryoumaa | ? |
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| 07:39.25 | dizzylizzy | rryoumaa, trigger, as in, emotional trigger. For example, if you have a traumatic memory of something, a trigger is something you see or hear that "triggers" the memory of that traumatic experience |
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| 08:02.47 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 08:03.32 | Agiofws | does anyone know why when i right click on a compressed file format nautilus will not give me an option to extract to here or decompress here etc... ? |
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| 08:04.00 | Agiofws | look @ www.imagebin.org/250207 |
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| 08:04.50 | ParkerR | Agiofws, sudo apt-get install file-roller |
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| 08:11.58 | Agiofws | thank you ParkerR |
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| 08:51.30 | rozie | http://blip.tv/problematyka/richard-stallman-w-panstwomiasto-13-03-2013-6550745 34 minuta. Stallman się pożywia. |
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| 08:52.07 | rozie | sry, wrong channel. Stallman eats. ;-) |
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| 08:54.30 | Aktau | Hey guys :) |
| 08:54.52 | Aktau | I successfully compiled and installed drivers for my ralink rt3290 wireless card |
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| 08:55.08 | Aktau | However, currently I have to perform "sudo ifconfig ra0 up" |
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| 08:55.21 | Aktau | Before the system activates the card |
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| 08:55.41 | Aktau | I tried putting "auto ra0" in /etc/network/interfaces but that doesn't seem to do the trick |
| 08:55.44 | Aktau | What more can I try? |
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| 09:12.10 | berzerka | hey there. |
| 09:12.50 | berzerka | can i perform a badblock scan on a ext4 root partition from single user mode, do i need a live medium, or is there another way to do it on debian? |
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| 09:13.51 | petan | berzerka you can check it online but it will be always dangerous |
| 09:14.04 | petan | it's better to unmount it |
| 09:14.22 | berzerka | petan, therefore i have to boot a live medium, is that correct? |
| 09:14.23 | petan | that doesn't necessarily mean you need a live medium... but that's a simplest way |
| 09:14.52 | berzerka | ok lets flash grml onto a stick. but out of interest how would i do it otherwise? |
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| 09:14.55 | petan | I believe you could for example boot just to init ramdisk |
| 09:15.03 | petan | and check it before you mount your root fs |
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| 09:15.10 | berzerka | oh yes, i would consider that a live medium in that regard. |
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| 09:15.19 | berzerka | thanks! |
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| 09:15.36 | petan | ext4 isn't really a best choice imho |
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| 09:15.48 | petan | I prefer btrfs but that isn't considered stable for production |
| 09:15.55 | berzerka | petan, its an ssd, and only ext4 supports the discard (TRIM) feature. |
| 09:16.10 | berzerka | petan, apart from btrfs, which is considered less stable. |
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| 09:16.24 | petan | ;) |
| 09:16.39 | berzerka | petan, also, ext4 is default in the wheezy rc1 installer which i used. |
| 09:16.58 | petan | well, of course it's default it's a best "stable" option |
| 09:17.25 | berzerka | petan, then i will stick with it. the system is already instable enough with ext4... |
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| 09:17.43 | berzerka | (which is probably due to hardware faults, which i am just trying to discover) |
| 09:17.55 | petan | regarding the fsck, you can also schedule it to be done on reboot |
| 09:18.05 | petan | dunno how to pass it options though |
| 09:18.24 | berzerka | petan, i read about the fedora init scripts supporting that with a /fsckoptions file. thus my question regarding debian. |
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| 09:20.53 | berzerka | petan, also out of interest, is there an easy way to instruct grub to boot into initrd only? |
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| 09:21.26 | berzerka | petan, or maybe supply a certain hook or create a file in the root fs... |
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| 09:34.31 | aeroot | hey together, I'm trying to create a reverse ssh tunnel. case: host A behind NAT, host b is a server used as middleman, host c should connect to host a (one specific port, 22 for example for ssh) via host b. enabled "GatewayPorts" on a and b in /etc/ssh/ssh_config and then connected from a to b with "ssh -R 8888:localhost:22 root@host-b". now i should be able to connect to host-b:8888 and actually connect with host-a:22. but it doesn |
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| 09:36.45 | gry | is there an approximate planned wheezy release date? |
| 09:37.40 | babilen | gry: "soon" |
| 09:37.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell gry -about wwwr |
| 09:38.41 | gry | thanks. |
| 09:38.55 | Alex123 | Hi all, im new to linux can someone please help... I just installed ufw, backup2, clam, pigin chat... and others via synaptic and they arent showing up even when i try to locate them via bash or via gui |
| 09:39.52 | Alex123 | im using debian 6.0.7 xfce |
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| 09:41.26 | mumpitzel | Alex123: locate how? |
| 09:41.40 | mumpitzel | for example pidgin should show up in your menu |
| 09:42.23 | Alex123 | using the run program gui and the search for appz gui also, and tryed to use the locate comand |
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| 09:43.18 | mumpitzel | dpkg -L <packagename> | grep bin <- shows you where a program put its binaries and how they are named |
| 09:43.19 | dpkg | No packages found matching <packagename> | grep bin <- shows you where a program put its binaries and how they are named |
| 09:43.19 | Alex123 | yes i would think it should... i dont know what to do... i know i have tons to read and learn but i dont get these... |
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| 09:43.55 | mumpitzel | and to use locate you have to install it, generally it's not installed by default |
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| 09:44.02 | mumpitzel | the package is mlocate |
| 09:44.16 | Alex123 | Humm... Thank you very much |
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| 09:44.36 | Alex123 | :) i will give one try :) |
| 09:44.49 | mumpitzel | also you can check if a package is actually installed with "dpkg -l <packagename>", then the first two letters need to be "ii" |
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| 09:50.33 | gry | Would you happen to know some gui or ncurses or whatever services manager for a debian desktop, please? Something like this: http://img.brothersoft.com/screenshots/softimage/w/windows_service_manager-451775-1302863135.jpeg, |
| 09:50.34 | gry | http://www.macosxautomation.com/services/servicesmanager/gfx/SMNG.png (I tried bum, but names of some services are replaced with gibberish, they don't have desriptions, and there is no way to change the manual or automatic startup type; I would be somewhat interested in ways which don't involve reading what rc.d is) |
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| 09:50.48 | babilen | gry: htop? |
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| 09:51.01 | gry | services, not processes; like mysql, gdm, etc |
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| 09:51.07 | babilen | ah, nfc |
| 09:51.19 | babilen | but then, simply group them accoridngly |
| 09:51.24 | babilen | *accordingly |
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| 09:51.29 | gry | ? |
| 09:51.33 | babilen | either way, /me → gone |
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| 09:53.42 | boudiccas | is there a problem with 'survey@popcon.debian.org' as my mkail to them was returned saying undeliverable? |
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| 09:56.09 | penguin1 | hi |
| 09:56.18 | penguin1 | Is there a generator for preseed files? |
| 09:56.36 | penguin1 | If I do a normal debian installation, can the preseed be generated from it? |
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| 09:58.04 | ParkerR | penguin1, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 10:05.45 | marens | Hello, can i force aptitude to download all packages from the repo before installing them? I saw aptitude download but that only downloads the packages. i need a tool that takes care of dependency resolution and is able to properly install all the downloaded packages. |
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| 10:07.20 | gry | I'd appreciate someone else's insight into the question I asked, if possible, please, and thanks |
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| 10:07.52 | Qnoox | marens: yes you can. |
| 10:07.53 | Infiltrator | marens: Doesn't aptitude already resolve dependencies and download before actually doing anything? |
| 10:08.36 | mumpitzel | marens: apt-get -d |
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| 10:09.11 | no_gravity | Good Morning! |
| 10:09.13 | mumpitzel | gry: what is a "service" and how do you classify it as such? |
| 10:09.25 | mumpitzel | gry: that's why such a thing doesn't exist |
| 10:09.35 | gry | mumpitzel: it is a thing I can manually stop using "sudo service itsname stop" |
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| 10:10.14 | gry | (network-manager, gdm, xdm, mysql, apache2 being a few examples) |
| 10:10.26 | mumpitzel | gry: so /etc/init.d/networking is a service then? |
| 10:10.41 | Infiltrator | gry: What's wrong with using `sudo service` for that, then? |
| 10:10.49 | gry | mumpitzel: yes, I also use sudo service networking {stop,start}, so yes |
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| 10:10.58 | mumpitzel | Infiltrator: he wants a list of services running |
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| 10:11.09 | gry | Infiltrator: the wrong bit is that I can start or stop it manually, but not control which ones start onboot or not |
| 10:11.20 | Infiltrator | mumpitzel, gru: sudo service --status-all |
| 10:11.24 | mumpitzel | gry: you cannot show a runnting "networking" service, can you? neither can you show /etc/init.d/mountall.sh or many others |
| 10:11.34 | gry | Infiltrator, this one doesn't resolve the issue I'm having afaik, just a list |
| 10:11.56 | jerd | Morning, am I correct in saying that backports are more up to date then the stable repo? |
| 10:12.03 | no_gravity | Its not possible to reconnect to orphaned ssh session, right? |
| 10:12.18 | no_gravity | I mean, when my client crashes while connected to a server via ssh. |
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| 10:13.07 | mumpitzel | no_gravity: no. use screen |
| 10:13.18 | wojtas | gintek: o/ |
| 10:13.20 | mumpitzel | jerd: that's the point of backports |
| 10:13.49 | jerd | mumpitzel: I'm thinking about it, why shouldn't I use backports then? |
| 10:13.55 | Infiltrator | Um. There is a command that lets you set the actions for initlevels; I forget the name of it though. |
| 10:13.59 | no_gravity | mumpitzel: most times i use screen, but this orphaned session is a plain ssh connect. |
| 10:14.03 | mumpitzel | jerd: who said you shouldn't and why not? |
| 10:14.46 | jerd | mumpitzel: Because there aren't truly tested as the packages in the stable repo? |
| 10:14.58 | mumpitzel | Infiltrator: rcconf? |
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| 10:15.14 | mumpitzel | jerd: obviously |
| 10:15.29 | no_gravity | In "ps aux", what does the "-" mean in front of "-bash"? |
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| 10:15.51 | marens | mumpitzel: that's the same as aptitude download |
| 10:16.00 | mumpitzel | no_gravity: login shell I think |
| 10:16.13 | jerd | mumpitzel: And what if I compile a package from source, how does that connect to apt-get? Or does is not connect? |
| 10:16.13 | marens | Qnoox: the interesting anwer would be how |
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| 10:16.32 | mumpitzel | jerd: it does not and is generally a stupid thing to do |
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| 10:16.44 | mumpitzel | jerd: that is if you simply use configure;make;install |
| 10:16.52 | Qnoox | that has already been answered by someone here apt-get -d |
| 10:17.13 | Infiltrator | mumpitzel, gry: update-rc.d |
| 10:17.15 | jerd | mumpitzel: So for the latest and greatest I should consider backports then? |
| 10:17.27 | Infiltrator | gry: Take a look at: http://wiki.debian.org/Daemon |
| 10:17.32 | no_gravity | mumpitzel: what is a login shell? |
| 10:17.40 | mumpitzel | jerd: depends on circumstances, there is no iron rule for anything |
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| 10:17.59 | jerd | mumpitzel: Hmm yeah that's true. |
| 10:18.00 | mumpitzel | no_gravity: google |
| 10:18.15 | marens | Qnoox: that downloads the packages, when using dpkg -i *.deb dpkg fails to install due to dependency problems as older versions of the packages are already installed |
| 10:18.18 | Infiltrator | jerd: You can create your own package so that it's tracked by apt. |
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| 10:18.41 | mumpitzel | marens: simply run apt-get install then. apt won't download anything |
| 10:18.46 | debianN00b | hi |
| 10:18.51 | mumpitzel | !tell jerd about ssb |
| 10:18.53 | Alex123 | Im going to do a fresh install of debian... what is the diference between kfreebsd-i386 and the i386 ? thx |
| 10:18.57 | jerd | Infiltrator: Ah that's good to know, I |
| 10:19.06 | debianN00b | Is kernel 3.7 on repos? |
| 10:19.08 | mumpitzel | Alex123: one uses a freebsd kernel and the other uses a linux kernel |
| 10:19.14 | marens | mumpitzel: and i can feed local debs to apt-get? |
| 10:19.48 | jerd | mumpitzel: Thanks |
| 10:19.52 | mumpitzel | marens: apt-get looks in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 10:20.08 | mumpitzel | debianN00b: packages.debian.org knows. |
| 10:20.13 | Infiltrator | jerd: It's not all that simple, though. |
| 10:20.19 | mumpitzel | ,kernel |
| 10:20.20 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.2-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.39-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.39-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.35-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 10:20.33 | Alex123 | humm... sorry im new on these things... So is there major diferences between them ? Probably the bsd are more hard for new users, right ? |
| 10:20.49 | mumpitzel | Alex123: yes. use the normal i386 unless you understand the differences |
| 10:20.53 | jerd | Infiltrator: No I guess not, I'm learning and was wondering about software management |
| 10:21.15 | mumpitzel | Alex123: and depending on hardware you might want to use amd64 |
| 10:21.36 | Infiltrator | jerd: The simplest way of doing it (which is just traking installed files and doesn't have proper Debian install/uninstall scripts) is with checkinstall. |
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| 10:21.46 | Alex123 | Ok i will, thank you very much for the info :) i will be around, keep the good work mumpitzel |
| 10:22.08 | Alex123 | Yes ii understand that, i own a low tech pc and its 32bits |
| 10:22.15 | jerd | Infiltrator: checkinstall is a tool? |
| 10:22.25 | Alex123 | so i will go for the i386 only, thank you :) |
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| 10:22.52 | Infiltrator | jerd: Yes. Having said that: what are you actually trying to achieve? There may a better/simpler way. |
| 10:23.08 | Qnoox | marens: just search for dependency that you need and install that just specify that you want to install that, that way you override it and install the new packs etc.. |
| 10:23.56 | Infiltrator | Qnoox, marens: Surely aptitude (ncurses mode) should be able to find a solution that you're happy with? |
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| 10:24.22 | jerd | Infiltrator: I'm trying to understand the management of software in Debian. I'm thinking about nginx for example and how there is a constant flow in security updates and how those get applied to the stable repo? |
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| 10:24.35 | Qnoox | Infiltrator: in my experince that is true but well yeah i don't know why in this case it's not. |
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| 10:26.08 | Infiltrator | Qnoox: I've found that if aptitude can't find a solution that you're happy with then there usually isn't a way to do it with the current inputs; usually because of one package or two related packages not being up to date. |
| 10:26.40 | Infiltrator | s/package// |
| 10:27.21 | Infiltrator | jerd: Do you know about Debian's security repo? I would say that things like that would flow through there. (Don't quote me.) |
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| 10:27.39 | Qnoox | Infiltrator: true |
| 10:27.41 | Infiltrator | jerd: You should be able to find out a lot more at debian.org and the wiki pages there. |
| 10:27.42 | jerd | Infiltrator: Hmm I should look into that |
| 10:27.51 | jerd | Yeah, good point |
| 10:28.18 | gry | Infiltrator: update-rc.d involves learning the startup things (2,3,4,5 or something), I would pretty please look for something with descriptions and ways to just edit two levels, either it starts, or it doesn't. I might resort to commandline, but it'd be a last resort hopefully, there have been a decade of linux being used as desktop and I ideally would not envision them all using commandline for this |
| 10:29.03 | jerd | Infiltrator: deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 10:29.12 | jerd | For the source list |
| 10:29.16 | gry | Infiltrator: it's not like a service which should start at a certain level should have this level changed; it should be saved, and a user says, whether it starts or not. afaik those levels aren't a thing users actually change, only tick or untick entirely for a service |
| 10:29.21 | Infiltrator | gry: Well, I remember gnome2 having a system > services thing where it had some (I don't know if it's all) "services" that you could configure. |
| 10:29.34 | Infiltrator | jerd: Yup; and for wheezy/updates as well, I think. |
| 10:29.40 | gry | (I'm on xfce) |
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| 10:30.04 | jerd | Infiltrator: And http://www.debian.org/security/faq + http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#securing |
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| 10:30.14 | jerd | Infiltrator: I'm gonna read up, thanks for the chat :) |
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| 10:31.46 | Infiltrator | gry: Hm. Well, services-admin is in gnome-system-tools so I guess it doesn't help you. |
| 10:32.02 | Infiltrator | gry: At least you know that this sort of thing exists. |
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| 10:33.18 | jargon | anybody know iptables? how do i block a specific subnet on my lan from the network? |
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| 10:33.55 | gry | Infiltrator, have gnome-system-tools installed but services-admin is an unknown command here |
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| 10:34.37 | Infiltrator | gry: Maybe sudo it? |
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| 10:35.41 | Infiltrator | gry: Or it might be a gnome2 thing. |
| 10:35.54 | Infiltrator | gry: Sorry that I can't really be more helpful. |
| 10:35.57 | gry | tried sudoing it, same thing |
| 10:36.17 | gry | it's ok, its good to know the thing existed somewhere |
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| 10:45.14 | Tendf | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.24 | Tendf | opps sorry |
| 10:45.26 | babilen | No, don't go there! |
| 10:46.14 | Tendf | why not? ff's nice! |
| 10:46.44 | babilen | hands Tendf http://mozilla.debian.net for a healthy dose of iceweasel goodness |
| 10:47.05 | babilen | Either way: Good luck and have a nice day :) |
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| 10:49.12 | Tendf | iceweasel == firefox == nightly anyway ;) |
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| 10:50.21 | debianN00b | what source do i need to append for installing 3.7 kernel please? |
| 10:50.34 | debianN00b | *link |
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| 10:50.57 | babilen | debianN00b: 3.7 is no longer available -- Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 10:51.10 | jamesarch | hello everybody |
| 10:51.11 | debianN00b | wheezy |
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| 10:51.15 | babilen | judd: kernels |
| 10:51.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.2-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.39-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.39-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.35-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 10:52.09 | babilen | debianN00b: You can grab 3.8 from experimental if you really need it (why?) - but note that experimental packages are, well, experimental. The kernel is typically quite okay and you also shouldn't forget to install firmware. |
| 10:52.20 | debianN00b | seems 3.8+ is more risky... But |
| 10:52.36 | babilen | How so? 3.8 is the officially released version ... |
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| 10:53.05 | babilen | You have a (patched) 3.2 kernel. Why is that problematic? Why do you need a newer one? |
| 10:53.14 | debianN00b | babilen, old version of kernel does not support on my Laptop |
| 10:53.49 | babilen | debianN00b: What is not supported? Would you mind pasting the output of "lspci -n" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 10:54.09 | debianN00b | sure |
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| 10:55.14 | babilen | debianN00b: I mean: Feel free to grab 3.8 and firmware (if needed) from experimental, but I simply would like to understand /why/ you need it. There might be something we can do about it (e.g. backport hardware support to 3.2) and it might make sense to file a bug. |
| 10:55.24 | babilen | Hence my question: "What is not supported?" :) |
| 10:55.54 | debianN00b | i am not on Debian now but here is the output: http://paste.debian.net/241623/ |
| 10:56.23 | babilen | debianN00b: I use that output to check support on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 10:57.02 | debianN00b | 3.2 screen issue, speed issue etc |
| 10:57.06 | debianN00b | okay okay |
| 10:57.09 | babilen | debianN00b: AFAICT all your hardware should be supported ... What is not working with 3.2 ? |
| 10:59.00 | debianN00b | Well, babilen I am going to reinstall debian on my Laptop, I will be right back |
| 10:59.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell debianN00b -about install wheezy |
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| 10:59.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell debianN00b -about firmware images wheezy |
| 10:59.33 | babilen | debianN00b: Have fun! :) |
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| 11:15.53 | chicognu | if i try to turn on a virtual interface it says there is no space in buffer |
| 11:16.07 | chicognu | chicao@chicao-VirtualBox:~$ sudo iw phy phy0 interface add ah0 type ibss |
| 11:16.08 | chicognu | chicao@chicao-VirtualBox:~$ sudo ifconfig ah0 up |
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| 11:20.51 | boudiccas | what log is used during bootup, and contains the flashing-by messages please? |
| 11:21.05 | Towzzer | type "dmesg" |
| 11:21.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell boudiccas about bootlogd |
| 11:21.10 | boudiccas | ah ta |
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| 11:46.24 | proby | hi , it seems like a grub question but they are asleep , i have applied a theme to grub 2 and it is pretty slow i don't know what is the reason , help please |
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| 11:47.08 | babilen | proby: What is slow? |
| 11:47.44 | proby | when navigating between options , it is very slow babilen |
| 11:47.59 | babilen | And it is faster with the default theme? |
| 11:48.09 | proby | yup |
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| 11:49.04 | proby | babilen , don't know am i missing something ? |
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| 11:49.21 | babilen | proby: Well, either: Don't care (how often do you use that anyway?) or use the default theme or ... Well, fix it. I can't really help you with that as I have never cared enough about the way the grub menu looks (I see for maybe 2 seconds every other week). |
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| 11:49.45 | proby | :p |
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| 11:50.03 | fog_ | hey guys, what image does one need to download to install debian? |
| 11:50.04 | babilen | proby: It might help us to debug your problem if you could tell us which theme you used and how you installed it. Is the background picture maybe unnecessarily large? |
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| 11:50.31 | proby | ok |
| 11:50.36 | babilen | fog_: That depends on what you want. Is this for your personal use? On what kind of hardware are you installing? Do you want 32bit or 64bit? |
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| 11:50.43 | fredl | hey guys, when I to 'top -bn1|head' repeatedly, I keep seeing exactly the same values in Cpu%: us and sy columns, is this normal behavior?? |
| 11:50.47 | fog_ | e.g. what is debian-6.0.7-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso |
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| 11:51.00 | proby | babilen , the theme is simpleBlue |
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| 11:51.03 | xlinkz0 | Hi, I'm trying to install debian on virtualbox but it says 'This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU , but only detected an i686 CPU", what debian version should i download? |
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| 11:51.20 | fog_ | babilen: i think to remember you only really need the first CD? |
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| 11:51.39 | proby | babilen : http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/simpleBlue+GRUB+Theme?content=155027 |
| 11:52.00 | babilen | fog_: There are /many/ options -- I simply try to recommend the best option to you. I guess that this is for your personal machine? |
| 11:53.12 | fog_ | babilen: not mine no, someone else. thing is it isnt quite clear what cd image i really need |
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| 11:53.35 | babilen | proby: I see that that theme makes /a lot/ of changes to the grub configuration. i wouldn't necessarily trust that install script and I am in no position to debug it within a few minutes. |
| 11:53.35 | fog_ | i mean... http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/i386/bt-cd/ |
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| 11:53.44 | b0lt | xlinkz0: either you set your vm to 64-bit, or you get the x86 version |
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| 11:54.01 | babilen | fog_: Okay, I didn't want to explain everything to you, but then .. it seems to be necessary :) |
| 11:54.28 | fog_ | sorry, just isnt explained anywhere what image contains what |
| 11:54.32 | xlinkz0 | b0lt, i'm on 32bit windows, so i should download the i386 debian CD ? |
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| 11:54.55 | b0lt | xlinkz0: your host os is not strictly relevant |
| 11:54.57 | babilen | fog_: First and foremost: You can install two versions of Debian right now. One is the last stable release (squeeze) and the other is the currently frozen testing release (wheezy). The latter will be released as stable soonish (1-3 months maybe) |
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| 11:55.20 | b0lt | xlinkz0: but you've set up a 32-bit x86 vm, so yes, if you don't want to reconfigure it, you need the i386 cd |
| 11:55.26 | babilen | fog_: If this is for your (or someone elses) personal use (as in: unimportant infrastructure) I would recommend to use wheezy right now. |
| 11:55.50 | fog_ | babilen: i know, i know. we have a slight misunderstanding here. |
| 11:55.58 | babilen | ok |
| 11:56.07 | babilen | Please elaborate on the misunderstanding :) |
| 11:56.14 | xlinkz0 | b0lt, thank you |
| 11:56.28 | fog_ | babilen: the point is that i have no clue if debian-6.0.7-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso.torrent contains the debian installer + xfce ldxe pacakges or just xfce and lxde |
| 11:57.16 | babilen | fog_: Well, that includes just the torrent. But that image does contain the debian installer (squeeze version) and most packages needed to install either XFCE or LXDE. |
| 11:57.36 | fog_ | babilen: ah ok. |
| 11:57.47 | babilen | fog_: It will still install the squeeze version (which I wouldn't necessarily recommend at this point in time) and does /not/ contain firmware. |
| 11:57.48 | fog_ | cancels download |
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| 11:58.53 | babilen | fog_: If you want to install Debian for your personal use /and/ if you have newer hardware (hence my question about that) /and/ if you have a working internet connection during the installation /and/ if your hardware requires firmware I would recommend to simply use the netinstall firmware for wheezy with firmware. |
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| 11:59.31 | babilen | fog_: Do you want to install squeeze or wheezy? Do you want to install XFCE, LXDE or another desktop environment? (if any?) Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? |
| 11:59.34 | fog_ | netinst might be a bit of a problem. |
| 11:59.39 | babilen | Why is that? |
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| 11:59.56 | fog_ | wifi only here and needs firmware |
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| 12:01.02 | fog_ | so currently im aiming for getting a somewhat minimal working system onto the box and figure out the rest from there |
| 12:01.04 | babilen | fog_: Ok, so you /do/ have a working internet connection and you simply require firmware. You can use the wheezy installer with firmware just fine in that case. (it supports WPA(2) just fine and configures /etc/network/interfaces or network-manager system connections by default) |
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| 12:01.21 | babilen | fog_: Why don't you tell me what you want to achieve and I tell you how to achieve that? |
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| 12:01.53 | babilen | There are simply too many variables to tell you about /every/ possibility first. |
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| 12:02.37 | fog_ | ok. for now all i want is a disk image that is capable of installing debian (without net) and give me a command line |
| 12:03.08 | babilen | really? |
| 12:03.12 | fog_ | yes |
| 12:03.24 | zykotick9 | fog_: to get just a command line, you can use the netinst (without network) |
| 12:03.28 | babilen | You don't want a working internet connection from the start and you don't want to install a graphical interface? |
| 12:03.49 | fog_ | zykotick9: will that include wpa_supplicant etc? |
| 12:03.51 | babilen | fog_: Every image is capable of installing said minimal system. |
| 12:04.02 | babilen | fog_: You said you don't want wpa_supplicant |
| 12:04.15 | fog_ | i did? |
| 12:04.16 | babilen | Well, you didn't say that .. but wpa_supplicant is not part of something minimal |
| 12:04.29 | fog_ | true that |
| 12:04.42 | fog_ | let me rephrase |
| 12:04.44 | babilen | So you want an installer that allows you to connect to the internet from the command line after the initial instalaltion? |
| 12:04.57 | babilen | And you also don't plan to install XFCE, LXDE or anything else? |
| 12:04.58 | fog_ | yes |
| 12:05.16 | fog_ | oh i do. but that aint a priority i guess |
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| 12:05.32 | zykotick9 | fog_: the RC installer (for wheezy) supports wpa OOTB |
| 12:05.32 | babilen | fog_: Why don't you want to install it during the initial installation? |
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| 12:06.02 | babilen | fog_: You /can/ install wheezy with LXDE or XFCE (which?) and have a perfectly configured network-manager after the installation for wifi ... If you want that. |
| 12:06.05 | fog_ | babilen: how? which image is it? 1? 2? 48? |
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| 12:06.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell fog_ -about firmware images wheezy |
| 12:06.21 | ParkerR | All you need is the first one |
| 12:06.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell fog_ -about install xfce |
| 12:06.47 | babilen | fog_: But /please/ tell me what you want to achieve in the end |
| 12:06.53 | babilen | ah, sod this |
| 12:06.56 | fredl | hmm this appears to be a bug to me, could anybody verify the same behavior perhaps? When I do top -bn1|head, in the Cpu%: us & sy columns I keep seeing exactly the same numbers. |
| 12:06.58 | babilen | moves on |
| 12:07.05 | fog_ | xfce4 |
| 12:07.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell fog_ -about install xfce4 |
| 12:07.19 | babilen | fog_: And now: Have fun!" |
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| 12:07.54 | fredl | I see it at least on all my Wheezy servers. |
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| 12:08.08 | fog_ | babilen: actually, what ParkerR said is pretty much all i wanted to know |
| 12:08.15 | babilen | But it is not true |
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| 12:08.28 | mashimaro | gnome3>kde>xfce4>lxde> |
| 12:08.28 | irk | looking for help with a linux software raid that configured by the debian installer. I've just had to replace a disk and I can't duplicate whatever the debian installer did to partition the disk by using 'fdisk'. how did the debian installer setup 'sdb1' to start at the same cyl that 'sdb2' ends at?? see http://pastebin.com/L429iN6p |
| 12:08.36 | fredl | a convenient lie babilen :) |
| 12:09.14 | zykotick9 | fredl: i get different numbers on my wheezy desktop? %Cpu(s): 9.1 us, 2.3 sy, |
| 12:09.26 | babilen | fog_: You can use the netinstall image to install XFCE4 just fine. If you use the CD1 for wheezy you won't have firmware and have to provide that seperately (/msg dpkg installer firmware wheezy) which forces you to install from CD (as you have to supply the firmware on the USB stick) |
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| 12:10.12 | babilen | fog_: The squeeze CD1 images don't necessarily contain all the packages needed to install the entire desktop task (e.g. network-manager is often missing) |
| 12:10.26 | fog_ | ah ok |
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| 12:11.02 | babilen | fog_: If you don't configure the network configuration during the initial configuration (e.g. because you lack the firmware for your card) the installer with also not configure your /etc/apt/sources.list to contain internet repositories and you'll have to configure that manually afterwards |
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| 12:11.44 | babilen | fog_: Furthermore it will /also/ not configure network-manager to have a perfectly working system connection for your wifi (or configure it in /etc/network/interfaces if you don't install the desktop task (that is network-manager) during the installation) |
| 12:12.06 | babilen | fog_: There are /a lot/ of variables and the best image to choose and how to deal with it simply depends on what you want to achieve. |
| 12:12.40 | fog_ | guess ill have to try my luck on that one |
| 12:12.48 | chris___ | Hi. Could someone be so kind as to show me what a fully working sources.list for wheezy looks like? I've just installed wheezy and uncommented all the lines in sources.list, run apt-get update, but the build-essential package cannot be installed/located. |
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| 12:13.09 | babilen | If you want to install wheezy, use XFCE4, require firmware for your wireless adaptor and plan to use network-manager in the end the /best/ way to achieve that (and have the installer autoconfigure everything) is to use the netinstall image with firmware and select XFCE4 in the boot menu (as discussed in "/msg dpkg install xfce4") |
| 12:13.45 | fog_ | hmm |
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| 12:13.51 | babilen | fog_: This (and many many other things that I am simply to lazy to discuss right now) brought me to the point that I simply ask a number of questions to recommend the best way now. |
| 12:13.54 | fog_ | ok, ill do that |
| 12:14.14 | babilen | So /please/ .... just answer my questions in the future and simply assume that I have a reason for asking them. |
| 12:14.32 | fog_ | best to my abilities |
| 12:15.00 | babilen | If something is unclear I have no problem to explain it to you ... (e.g. the network configuration in wheezy's RC1 installer now configures either nothing, /etc/network/interfaces or network-manager based on your selections) |
| 12:15.19 | babilen | fog_: Are you planning to install from a USB stick or from CD? |
| 12:15.25 | dmilith | aptitude in 6.0 has bug with "~i" |
| 12:15.29 | dmilith | throwing SIGABRT |
| 12:15.38 | fog_ | babilen: CD |
| 12:15.39 | dmilith | i reported it 4 fucking years ago, and it's still there |
| 12:15.47 | fog_ | babilen: usb booting isnt supported |
| 12:16.03 | babilen | fog_: Ack, that should work just fine. |
| 12:16.10 | babilen | dmilith: bug report? |
| 12:16.28 | dmilith | I have no time to bug report, I talked with some debian guys |
| 12:16.31 | babilen | dmilith: And please try to refrain from swearing in here. |
| 12:16.38 | babilen | dmilith: So you never reported the bug? |
| 12:16.41 | dmilith | I did |
| 12:16.48 | dmilith | I told debian staff about it |
| 12:16.50 | dmilith | nvm |
| 12:16.52 | dmilith | I don't care. |
| 12:16.55 | babilen | dmilith: Could you give me a link to the bug report then? |
| 12:16.59 | zykotick9 | chris___: why not paste what you have? << deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main >> works |
| 12:16.59 | dmilith | no |
| 12:17.09 | dmilith | I'm just kind reporter |
| 12:17.10 | babilen | dmilith: Ok, lets move on then. :) |
| 12:17.15 | dmilith | allright. |
| 12:17.36 | dmilith | it's your system, I moved to BSD from debian. Will never back ;] |
| 12:17.38 | babilen | cdn.debian.net has been deprecated in favour of http.debian.net |
| 12:17.51 | babilen | dmilith: Ok, have fun and enjoy BSD. Have a nice day! |
| 12:18.12 | zykotick9 | babilen: really? as wheezy's rc installer offers cdn but not h.d.n? |
| 12:18.19 | babilen | does it? |
| 12:18.28 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 12:19.18 | dmilith | babilen: you too! |
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| 12:19.53 | chris___ | zykotick9: thanks |
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| 12:21.20 | dmilith | babilen: give me a tool similar to github for debian, and I'll waste my precious time to give you short report |
| 12:21.24 | dmilith | and You should care. |
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| 12:25.09 | babilen | dmilith: Please, stop whining. There is no point to this and we have all better things to do than wasting our time on this. If you cannot run "reportbug aptitude" to report a bug, I cannot help you. You also don't strike me as someone particularly interested in helping to fix this bug ... so, lets move on |
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| 12:26.00 | dmilith | # reportbug aptitude |
| 12:26.00 | dmilith | zsh: command not found: reportbug |
| 12:26.50 | babilen | dmilith: really? |
| 12:26.50 | dmilith | I'm not whining. I'm just telling, that I wont waste my time on bugzilla like problem reports. Use github like - SIMPLE - solution for bug reports, and I will |
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| 12:26.56 | dmilith | and it's not whining. It's rage. |
| 12:27.03 | babilen | so, rage somewhere else |
| 12:27.12 | dmilith | it's fucking ridiculous how much things I need to do to report a fucking 4 y.o. bug |
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| 12:27.19 | dmilith | allright. |
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| 12:27.40 | dmilith | it's not destructive rage |
| 12:27.48 | babilen | dmilith: drop it |
| 12:27.52 | dmilith | it's crestive rage. To make things better |
| 12:28.06 | dmilith | and I can't use aptitude main features cause of it. |
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| 12:28.57 | babilen | dmilith: Please calm down. I am more than willing to discuss this issue with you /in a civilised and technical manner/ and I would also expect you to file a bug report this (if it turns out to be one) |
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| 12:29.20 | babilen | dmilith: I've silenced you for 10 minutes and hope that this allows you to relax. |
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| 12:30.21 | irgendwer4711 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:31.10 | b0lt | irgendwer4711: it could be you're doing it wrong? context would help |
| 12:32.01 | irgendwer4711 | xen-create-image --hostname=testn --ip=192.168.1.1 --role=udev |
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| 12:32.17 | irgendwer4711 | the maschin was created and boots up. but root pass is empty |
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| 12:32.36 | irgendwer4711 | the wizard asked for it before. but seems to be not saved |
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| 12:33.31 | irgendwer4711 | I mounted the image with loop,. chroot in and passwd, didnt work. then paste in a know hash in shaow, didnt work too. |
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| 12:35.58 | b0lt | irgendwer4711: how does it not work? does passwd change the hash as it's supposed to? do you get an error message? |
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| 12:37.08 | irgendwer4711 | after unmount the hash is empty again |
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| 12:37.23 | irgendwer4711 | I do the steps again now |
| 12:37.36 | Towzzer | are you mounting read only? |
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| 12:38.36 | irgendwer4711 | lok no |
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| 12:39.02 | irgendwer4711 | I try to login now. didnt work |
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| 12:39.29 | irgendwer4711 | I stop the guest and mount image |
| 12:39.34 | b0lt | well obviously if you're not changing the image the password you then didn't set will not work... |
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| 12:40.03 | pianino | I have problem with installing wireless network driver. Someone directed me to install wheezy package which probably contains my module. Unfotunately during the installation at the detect network hardware section, installation failed and the output was: 'NO driver in my pendrive or bad removable media I have!'. Would you help plz which version of Debian do I need to install? My ethernet card`s vendor is INtel. |
| 12:40.12 | irgendwer4711 | b0lt: change the image? |
| 12:41.06 | b0lt | irgendwer4711: you just said that when you unmount the image it remains unchanged, didn't you? so the image was not changed? |
| 12:41.28 | irgendwer4711 | I put a file in it for test |
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| 12:41.56 | b0lt | and the file remained? |
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| 12:42.48 | irgendwer4711 | I look |
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| 12:44.15 | irgendwer4711 | its gone too |
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| 12:44.40 | b0lt | so you're not mounting your image in a way that allows you to write to it |
| 12:45.22 | irgendwer4711 | mount -o loop /home/xen/domains/admin/disk.img /media/ |
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| 12:46.13 | Towzzer | try adding -w |
| 12:46.16 | Towzzer | though, that is the default |
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| 12:46.20 | tadp0le | can someone link me to a howto for adding to my encrypted LVM volume? |
| 12:46.23 | irgendwer4711 | nono the file is in now |
| 12:46.37 | irgendwer4711 | before boot |
| 12:46.43 | irgendwer4711 | now I boot the guest |
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| 12:47.59 | irgendwer4711 | its still in the image |
| 12:48.08 | irgendwer4711 | now again with the hash |
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| 12:49.10 | Towzzer | what is this for? |
| 12:49.22 | Towzzer | usually they don't give you root access but you can sudo su and add a password |
| 12:49.40 | tadp0le | Anyone? |
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| 12:50.00 | Towzzer | sorry tad I don't know |
| 12:50.15 | irgendwer4711 | its a new install |
| 12:50.20 | tadp0le | Alright :) |
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| 12:54.17 | pianino | This is three days that I m going to install the wireless network on my machine, unfortunately I have problem. I m not even sure that the current debian that I have is the latest version including the pertinent driver or not. PLease help! (I m new at debian) |
| 12:54.47 | mashimaro | wi-fi... |
| 12:55.07 | mashimaro | What is wi-fi chip? |
| 12:55.09 | rozie | pianino: what's the problem, exactly? |
| 12:55.23 | rozie | lspci for wifi device pls |
| 12:56.11 | mashimaro | lsusb |
| 12:56.29 | mashimaro | if using usb wi-fi adapter |
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| 12:56.46 | pianino | Tnx for help. This is the result> http://paste.debian.net/241648 |
| 12:57.02 | pianino | It is PCI. |
| 12:57.20 | mashimaro | RTL8101E |
| 12:57.30 | mashimaro | wait |
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| 12:58.37 | mashimaro | pianino: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=42324 |
| 12:58.37 | irgendwer4711 | I killed the guest. new setup |
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| 12:59.06 | irgendwer4711 | the wizard should aks me for root pass laster |
| 12:59.10 | babilen | pianino: Seriously, I talked you through this yesterday already. |
| 12:59.30 | tadp0le | Anyone familiar with LVM |
| 12:59.47 | babilen | pianino: Install wheezy using the netinstall installer with firmware |
| 12:59.53 | pianino | THanks for your helps. I downloaded it and tried to install! but that was the error ! |
| 13:00.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell pianino -about install wheezy |
| 13:00.08 | mashimaro | my link need to compile |
| 13:00.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell pianino -about firmware images wheezy |
| 13:00.17 | babilen | pianino: What was the error? |
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| 13:00.47 | pianino | the error was ' NO driver for ethernet card or bad recordable media'. |
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| 13:01.09 | mashimaro | pianino: you tested wheezy? |
| 13:01.15 | babilen | pianino: That happened when you used wheezy's RC1 with firmware? |
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| 13:01.48 | pianino | I downloaded the iso file and with UNetboot.. created a bootable pendrive. |
| 13:01.54 | babilen | pianino: That is you downloaded the image from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/ and burned it to a CD? |
| 13:02.08 | mashimaro | wheezy |
| 13:02.10 | babilen | pianino: Unetbootin is /broken/ does not work for Debian and is not supported. |
| 13:02.21 | babilen | pianino: Are you using windows or Linux right now? |
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| 13:02.32 | babilen | Did you download the firmware-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso image? |
| 13:02.40 | pianino | I m using Debian right now and I m connected via cable. |
| 13:03.00 | mashimaro | umm |
| 13:03.17 | mashimaro | you dont need to use wi-fi |
| 13:03.30 | babilen | pianino: Ok, please create the installer as discussed in http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/ch04s03.html.en or upgrade to wheezy by following "/msg dpkg release notes wheezy" or "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" |
| 13:04.23 | babilen | pianino: Just remember in the future that unetbootin does not work for Debian. |
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| 13:05.25 | irgendwer4711 | debian seems to have a bug in xen-create-image |
| 13:05.29 | pianino | Exactly! THanks I ll try to do next steps and tell the results. |
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| 13:06.30 | mashimaro | unetbootin does not support arch linux too |
| 13:06.43 | irgendwer4711 | xen-create-image asked for root pass. but didnt work again |
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| 13:08.05 | pianino | mashimaro Thanks for ur help. I ll burn it on CD.. |
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| 13:08.44 | lind | been working with BCB anyone reputable on any deals on 5-7 btc for paypal verified |
| 13:09.14 | mashimaro | secure boot... |
| 13:09.27 | mashimaro | disable |
| 13:09.57 | boudiccas | what is 'startpar' please? its not a package, yet holds a memory of 2 packages that i removed some time ago. so how do i remove them from startpar please? |
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| 13:12.29 | zykotick9 | boudiccas: (i have no idea what startpar is, but) "dpkg -S /sbin/startpar" shows it as from the sysvinit-utils package. |
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| 13:13.12 | boudiccas | ah, thanks |
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| 13:16.03 | jerd | ? |
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| 13:22.16 | babilen | pianino: Does the installer work if you create it in the documented way? ("cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" (with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and the block device of your USB stick) |
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| 13:24.28 | metze | hi, is this the correct channel to discuss packaging problems? |
| 13:24.51 | tadp0le | for debian likely |
| 13:24.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell metze about mentors |
| 13:25.23 | babilen | metze: See you in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (if you are asking about packaging for Debian) |
| 13:25.31 | tadp0le | dpkg: tell tadp0le about mentors |
| 13:25.32 | tadp0le | :P |
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| 13:26.28 | pianino | NOt yet! but I m trying to do it! somehow playing with codes!! |
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| 13:27.33 | debianN00b | Debian CD1 can be installed from USB ? |
| 13:27.43 | ksk | !tell debianN00b about usb |
| 13:27.48 | ksk | erm no |
| 13:28.03 | ksk | just do "cat $debian.iso > /dev/sdX" (where X is your usb-drive) |
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| 13:28.46 | babilen | debianN00b: But I would recommend to use the netinstall image with firmware if you have a working internet connection (e.g. "/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy") -- See also http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/ch04s03.html.en for further information |
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| 13:29.57 | debianN00b | babilen, download speed is my main issue. I have DVD writer but i am not understanding why it is always blank.... |
| 13:29.59 | babilen | debianN00b: Which desktop environment would you like to use? (Gnome 3, XFCE4, LXDE, KDE) |
| 13:30.05 | debianN00b | KDE |
| 13:30.41 | babilen | debianN00b: Ah, okay. I /think/ that the KDE image contains everything you need to install the complete desktop task, but I don't really follow anything KDE that closely. |
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| 13:31.18 | debianN00b | did not understand sorry |
| 13:31.19 | babilen | debianN00b: Which image exactly are you trying to burn? Do you know if your hardware requires firmware? How are you burning the CDs? (Or how did you create the USB installer?) |
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| 13:31.23 | pianino | babilen: I tried those two lines > cp .... .iso /dev/sdX; sync; THere were no output. DId I do something wrong? |
| 13:32.07 | babilen | pianino: You did "cp firmware-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" ? (exactly that? With the /dev/sdX ?) |
| 13:32.19 | pianino | Yes. |
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| 13:33.40 | babilen | pianino: You have to replace the /dev/sdX by the correct block device of your USB stick. Plug the stick in and run "dmesg|tail -n23" that should provide enough information ... It should be something like /dev/sdb (or /dev/sdc)) -- It is /very/ important that you get this right as you might overwrite important data. You also have to run it as root. Could you plug in your stick and run "dmesg|tail -n23" and paste it to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 13:33.42 | debianN00b | babilen, I am trying to burn debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso . I have tried to burn it on windows , linux but dvd is always empty. So i am think about unetbootin |
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| 13:34.04 | babilen | debianN00b: unetbootin /does not work/ and breaks the installer |
| 13:34.09 | babilen | debianN00b: Are you on Windows? |
| 13:34.15 | debianN00b | nah |
| 13:34.20 | debianN00b | Currently i am on Ubuntu |
| 13:34.34 | debianN00b | But i go on window too |
| 13:34.36 | debianN00b | s |
| 13:35.03 | babilen | debianN00b: Ok, then follow the instructions on http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/ch04s03.html.en -- unetbootin /does not work/ ... it is a pile of horrible code that should be abandoned |
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| 13:35.36 | babilen | debianN00b: Essentially: Plug in your USB stick and run "dmesg|tail -n23" and show me the output on http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:36.04 | babilen | debianN00b: Could you also run "md4sum debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso" and paste the output (with the command) as well? |
| 13:36.16 | pianino | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/241651 |
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| 13:36.30 | zykotick9 | babilen: md4sum? |
| 13:36.45 | jelly | md4typo |
| 13:36.47 | debianN00b | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/241652/ |
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| 13:37.25 | debianN00b | fb09dd0c34d06f7fed87d95b1a3fe35e debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso |
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| 13:37.45 | babilen | zykotick9: haha |
| 13:38.23 | babilen | pianino: That is the output /directly/ after you plugged in the stick? |
| 13:38.37 | tadp0le | Can someone point me in the right direction: I want to add my HDD to my Encrypted LVM on SSD on a new debian6 install. |
| 13:38.58 | babilen | debianN00b: Ok, so it is /dev/sdb -- You should be able to create the stick with "cp debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" (let me check the checksum) |
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| 13:39.25 | babilen | tadp0le: Add it in the LVM manager in partman |
| 13:39.35 | babilen | tadp0le: That is also discussed in the installation guide |
| 13:39.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell tadp0le -about install guide wheezy |
| 13:40.22 | babilen | debianN00b: The md5sum is wrong |
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| 13:40.30 | debianN00b | huh? |
| 13:40.53 | babilen | debianN00b: Could you download it again? It should be "ea1f3dca32daffb7b49da0c4949b00fe debian-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso" (cf. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS) |
| 13:41.00 | pianino | babilen: This is the output when I plugged it in again> http://paste.debian.net/241654 |
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| 13:41.22 | zykotick9 | babilen: b4 vs rc1! |
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| 13:42.00 | babilen | pianino: Ah thank you. Yes it is /dev/sdb -- You can create the installer by running "cp firmware-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" as root |
| 13:42.13 | babilen | debianN00b: Why did you download the beta4? |
| 13:42.23 | babilen | debianN00b: You /really/ should use the RC1 |
| 13:42.40 | debianN00b | Then it was my big mistake |
| 13:42.49 | debianN00b | I was not sure |
| 13:42.59 | babilen | debianN00b: Get it from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 13:43.18 | babilen | debianN00b: The beta4 is quite old and has a lot of problems compared to the RC1 |
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| 13:43.29 | pianino | Yeah!! It s working! |
| 13:43.31 | babilen | (sorry, I simply assumed that you use that ... thanks zykotick9 for spotting my mistake) |
| 13:43.34 | babilen | pianino: w00t! |
| 13:43.38 | babilen | Ok, lunch time |
| 13:43.50 | pianino | done! |
| 13:43.51 | tadp0le | Enjoy your lunch |
| 13:44.15 | fishsponge | we're seeing port 49490 going from a server to a NAS device trying to umount a volume... why is port 49490 used for umount over NFS?? |
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| 13:44.45 | pianino | SOmething happened though my pendrive is still empty. |
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| 13:45.22 | debianN00b | downloading it now |
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| 13:45.43 | debianN00b | oh no it wants 2h to finish the download |
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| 13:45.56 | fishsponge | also, when I run "df" i see the server trying to connect to our NAS device over NFS using port 49490... any ideas?? |
| 13:46.03 | mumpitzel | fishsponge: originating ports are always random |
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| 13:47.11 | Psi-Jack | Bleh, and fishsponge is cross-posting his question to multiple channels, and not paying attention. |
| 13:47.27 | debianN00b | babilen, I am downloading the ISO again. Just asking, Is Live Debian good too(I just want to use debian all the way :))? |
| 13:48.11 | fishsponge | mumpitzel, this isn't an originating port - this is a destination port... |
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| 13:49.11 | jelly | fishsponge: Sun RPC based services like NFS allocate their listener ports dynamically at start. You can look at the current state using eg. rpcinfo -p servername |
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| 13:50.16 | fishsponge | jelly, unfortunately, our Netgear ReadyNAS is not something we can SSH into at the moment. |
| 13:50.41 | jelly | fishsponge: ssh? |
| 13:51.07 | jelly | fishsponge: sorry, I don't get how that's relevant |
| 13:51.12 | debianN00b | perhaps debian live is not supported ! |
| 13:51.33 | fishsponge | jelly, well I thought i would have to run "rpcinfo -p servername" on the NFS server itself? |
| 13:52.31 | jelly | fishsponge: no, run it from the client. That's why you specify the server address or name. |
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| 13:53.35 | jelly | sure, if you had access you could run rpcinfo -p 0 on the server itself, but that's beside the point |
| 13:53.40 | debianN00b | babilen, Which DE are you using ? Gnome? |
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| 13:53.43 | fishsponge | jelly, I have run "rpcinfo" on the NFS client and get a list of ports from 100000 upwards |
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| 13:54.12 | jelly | fishsponge: read the output more carefully. |
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| 13:54.23 | jelly | fishsponge: take notice of the header line |
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| 13:55.49 | fishsponge | jelly, ah, good point... (i'm multitasking at this end too)... I can see 49490 is the rpcinfo list associated with mountd |
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| 13:57.25 | jelly | fishsponge: my point was... the port assignment changes on each server restart |
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| 13:59.31 | jelly | fishsponge: on a decent distro, you'd be able to force the relevant services to try and always use the same port. Eg. https://access.redhat.com/knowledge/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Storage_Administration_Guide/s2-nfs-nfs-firewall-config.html; in your case, you'll have to contact the vendor |
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| 14:00.25 | fishsponge | jelly, thanks for your help - I will phone up Netgear and ask them why it does this... I will also reboot it and see if it uses a different port to 49490 |
| 14:00.32 | fishsponge | sound like a good route to go down? |
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| 14:01.00 | jelly | fishsponge: "why" -- it's the default way sun rpc works. |
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| 14:01.52 | jelly | if you need to set up firewall rules, ask the vendor how to force specific ports for relevant services |
| 14:02.08 | fishsponge | jelly, ah, ok... so our firewall is crap then, basically! I have allowed the "NFS" object in our firewall, but it's not allowing these randomly assigned ports. i guess I will have to contact netgear to see if we can lock it down, and then contact our firewall support team to ask them to improve it! |
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| 14:06.47 | jelly | is not entirely sure how this was a Debian issue |
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| 14:07.14 | fishsponge | jelly, that's fine, but netgear readynas are based on debian... :-) |
| 14:07.25 | jelly | !based on debian |
| 14:07.26 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 14:07.43 | fishsponge | jelly, fair point! |
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| 14:08.22 | debianN00b | .dpkg is very smart ! |
| 14:08.27 | jelly | fishsponge: if it were debian, you'd have console access and be able to edit /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server and force listener ports |
| 14:09.01 | fishsponge | jelly, well I reckon it is debian, with a custom web interface and SSH turned off... I could be wrong though! |
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| 14:09.16 | jelly | it's not |
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| 14:14.57 | Soru | hi |
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| 14:17.35 | ivotkl | How are you doing? |
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| 14:18.11 | ivotkl | I have a media plugin questions. Seems like debian I've installed cannot handle videos properly out of the box. |
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| 14:18.46 | boudiccas | when installing 'firmware-linux-nonfree' on wheezy i get these error messagesshown ..': Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169' .. i know from past experience that if i reboot now it will lock me out, so how do i get round these error messages please? |
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| 14:19.23 | fishsponge | jelly, it appears that our firewall is blocking port 111 (sun-rpc) as well... i have only allowed the NFS protocol... is port 111 definitely needed by NFS? |
| 14:19.41 | jelly | boudiccas: figure out which package brings in /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw and install it? |
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| 14:19.52 | jelly | fishsponge: yes. |
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| 14:20.14 | fishsponge | jelly, ah, ok... could that explain the problem? |
| 14:20.27 | jelly | fishsponge: yes |
| 14:20.31 | fishsponge | port 49490 will still be blocked, but will everything start working if I allow port 111 ? |
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| 14:20.40 | ksx4system | how can I execute something just after networking kicks in? |
| 14:20.41 | boudiccas | jelly: hmm, how? never had to do it before nor know of anyone whos done it so got no past experience to go on |
| 14:21.08 | jelly | fishsponge: you might also need to allow access from _server_ back to client's portmap, unsure |
| 14:21.09 | zykotick9 | ksx4system: rc.local perhaps? |
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| 14:21.43 | fishsponge | jelly, we cannot allow ports through the firewall in the wrong incoming direction... i guess I will have to really read into the NFS protocol... |
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| 14:21.48 | ksx4system | zykotick9: it's now executed by rc.local and it's much too late. I *really* mean *just after* network kicks in |
| 14:22.23 | jelly | boudiccas: really? /msg dpkg apt-file or /msg judd file rtl8168f-2.fw |
| 14:22.33 | mtn | ivotkl: this may help: http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs |
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| 14:22.41 | boudiccas | jelly: ah, i was trying with dpkg -S |
| 14:22.51 | ksx4system | zykotick9: it's just ntpdate command which should fetch time before ramdisks will start, it had to avoid 1943-ish dates but it doesn't do its job well (too late execution) |
| 14:22.56 | jelly | boudiccas: that's only for already installed stuff |
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| 14:23.11 | ivotkl | Thanks mtn. |
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| 14:23.15 | zykotick9 | ksx4system: have you considered using ntpd instead? |
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| 14:23.44 | ksx4system | zykotick9: if it wouldn't kill my 233MHz cpu and old half gigabyte CF card - why not! |
| 14:23.45 | jhutchins_wk | ksx4system: Why are you using ntpdate? |
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| 14:24.09 | DanDare | well I just arrived. bios cmos battery is empty ? :p |
| 14:24.15 | ksx4system | jhutchins_wk: because it's light and it works? on this box maybe it's not perfect but it works |
| 14:24.27 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.33 | ksx4system | DanDare: nope, this box has no CMOS battery and no real BIOS at all |
| 14:24.44 | DanDare | I see |
| 14:24.49 | ksx4system | DanDare: just an old IBM thin client hacked to run Debian 5 |
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| 14:25.29 | DanDare | scrolls back |
| 14:26.54 | ksx4system | DanDare: well, months ago there were few discussions regarding my box (IBM NetVista 8363) |
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| 14:27.36 | ksx4system | DanDare: but it ended like "gtfo kid, we don't care that you can't exactly port newer kernel to run squeeze" |
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| 14:29.37 | DanDare | ksx4system, I see. fortunately you had that part sorted out already |
| 14:30.16 | jelly | boudiccas: since you're on wheezy, if you use judd you'll have to specify the release /msg judd file rtl8168f-2.fw --release wheezy |
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| 14:32.11 | ksx4system | DanDare: yup :) well, afaics editing (rewriting from scratch?) /etc/rc0.d/K25hwclock.sh should help |
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| 14:35.17 | DanDare | ksx4system, maybe not ideal but if you hack into /etc/init.d/ifupdown sccript adding ntpdate there ? |
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| 14:44.34 | n2diy_ | I can't start icedove, I get a message box saying it is already running but not responding, and I need to close the existing process, or restart the computer. I'm not sure how to find the existing process, and restarting didn't work. I uninstalled, and reinstalled via Synaptic, and that didn't work either? |
| 14:45.08 | babilen | some lock somewhere |
| 14:45.42 | n2diy_ | yes, but where? |
| 14:45.47 | babilen | n2diy_: Would you mind giving me the /exact/ error message? |
| 14:45.57 | wouter86 | I recorded an animated gif from my screen using byzanz, but the framerate is very high. Does anyone know a tool to reduce the size of a gif by filtering out a specified frequency of the frames? |
| 14:46.17 | zerick | Hello wonderful community! |
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| 14:46.32 | wouter86 | gifsicle is not capable of reducing framerate IMHO |
| 14:46.40 | babilen | n2diy_: In ~/.mozilla/ most likely - You could simply restart, but then .. I've seen this (frustrating) behaviour once in a while with Iceweasel, but apparently Icedove is a victim of it too. |
| 14:47.04 | babilen | n2diy_: Are you sure that you killed all running Icedove (and thunderbird!) processes? |
| 14:47.49 | mtn | n2diy_: I get the same thing, go into system monitor and find icedove and kill it works for me |
| 14:48.12 | zerick | I have some trouble while running a nagios plugin, I get this http://paste.debian.net/241671/ |
| 14:48.15 | n2diy_ | babilen, "Icedove is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing icedove process, or restart your system." |
| 14:48.17 | somiaj | you can also use ps -- 'ps fax' is what I ususally type -- to see running processes. |
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| 14:48.52 | zerick | so, I googled for that library but didn't find almost anything |
| 14:49.07 | somiaj | zerick: well the error tells you the exact problem |
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| 14:49.31 | somiaj | zerick: and a very quick search of debian packages finds that libary |
| 14:49.34 | somiaj | zerick: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libmemcached.so.5&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 14:49.36 | babilen | zerick: Which version of Debain ? |
| 14:49.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell zerick -about apt-file |
| 14:49.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell zerick -about search |
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| 14:50.02 | zerick | babilen: squeeze |
| 14:50.25 | somiaj | if it says file not found, it is most likely the libary is not installed. (: |
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| 14:50.56 | babilen | n2diy_: What does "dpkg -l libmemcached5|tail -n1" give you? |
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| 14:51.56 | zerick | babilen: rc libmemcached5 0.40-1 |
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| 14:52.03 | n2diy_ | babilen, "invalid number of lines." |
| 14:52.17 | babilen | n2diy_: Err, I meant zerick. Sorry :) |
| 14:52.38 | n2diy_ | :) and I thought we found the problem! |
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| 14:52.44 | babilen | zerick: So, you removed it :) |
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| 14:53.11 | babilen | n2diy_: Well, the easiest way would be to restart. If that doesn't fix it ... hunt down whatever horrible file is in ~/.mozilla/ |
| 14:53.11 | zerick | babilen: the "rc" means, removed? :O |
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| 14:53.48 | n2diy_ | babilen, I have restarted, and I've uninstalled and reinstalled, nothing kills it. |
| 14:53.54 | shawnbon206 | Question regarding non-free repos. Everything is non-tested? |
| 14:54.51 | babilen | zerick: Yes, run "dpkg -l libmemcached5" for an overview of the meaning of those options. The package is not installed (but was installed before) and it still has configuration files installed. (hence it was removed but not purged, it should show up in "aptitude search ~c") |
| 14:55.05 | anddam | the python (>= 2.6) | python-simplejson, dependency that w3af-console declares means that if python version is >=2.6 then simplejson isn't needed, it's like assuming that json is builtin in python >=2.6, is that correct? |
| 14:55.10 | babilen | shawnbon206: no |
| 14:55.20 | mtn | n2diy_: try moving your .icedove folder and starting icedove again. |
| 14:55.22 | babilen | anddam: yes |
| 14:55.41 | anddam | I'm installing w3af-consol with python 2.6.6 installed and w3af-consol will fail starting unless I install python-simplejson |
| 14:55.42 | babilen | anddam: Ask in #python for details, but that is the case |
| 14:55.45 | n2diy_ | mtr how about renaming it? |
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| 14:56.05 | mtn | n2diy_: same idea |
| 14:56.10 | anddam | maybe the python package changed its name as well when going builtin |
| 14:56.16 | babilen | anddam: IIRC there is a rename (simplejson to json or so, which means that you have to import the right module) |
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| 14:56.58 | babilen | shawnbon206: The Debian packages are tested (and supported) within our possibilities. We surely cannot patch (or maintain) non-free code. |
| 14:57.08 | babilen | *abilities |
| 14:57.11 | n2diy_ | mtr, progress, good idea, thanks. |
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| 14:57.49 | babilen | zerick: So in short: You simply have to install the package |
| 14:57.51 | mtn | n2diy_: just so you know, it mtn not mtr :p |
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| 14:58.12 | zerick | babilen: thanks a lot man :) |
| 14:58.23 | babilen | n2diy_: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_in_use |
| 14:58.26 | zerick | thanks you too, somiaj |
| 14:58.38 | n2diy_ | mtn, sorry, monitor is getting old and fuzzy, or my eyes are. |
| 14:58.39 | shawnbon206 | Babilen: but if there was a major known bug in a non-free software it would be held back until the developer fixed it? |
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| 14:58.52 | babilen | n2diy_: It is "lock" and/or ".parentlock" |
| 14:59.08 | shawnbon206 | Like a security exploit for example |
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| 14:59.13 | babilen | shawnbon206: held back? |
| 14:59.33 | mumpitzel | shawnbon206: said software isn't in debian so how would debian be affected? |
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| 14:59.59 | babilen | n2diy_: You might want to use tab completion for nicknames. Try typing "bab<TAB>" and see that my nickname is completed. (cycle by hitting the TAB key multiple times) |
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| 15:00.16 | penguin1 | I want to also define the port for a debian preseed file: d-i mirror/http/hostname string 192.168.1.2:<port number> |
| 15:00.26 | n2diy_ | babilen, roger that, but on a three letter nick? |
| 15:00.29 | shawnbon206 | I'm talking about non-free repos. And that's why I'm asking, because I don't know :] |
| 15:00.30 | penguin1 | apparently this doesn't work :( |
| 15:01.01 | babilen | n2diy_: m<TAB> -- It typically completes in order of recency (so that people you talked to recently come first) then alphabetically. |
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| 15:01.27 | babilen | penguin1: → #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net please (not sure if that is supported, never had to use it) |
| 15:01.29 | anddam | reportbug tried to start gvim even if my editor was set to vim, why is this? |
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| 15:02.10 | petn-randall | shawnbon206: non-free isn't part of Debian. That software is just packaged for convenience, without warranties. |
| 15:02.19 | babilen | anddam: Check ~/.reportbugrc and /etc/reportbug.conf |
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| 15:02.44 | moarrr | QX42qZjKGXgMFH6rNXzJK |
| 15:02.46 | petn-randall | shawnbon206: Since there's no libre code coming with it, it's impossible for the Debian people to fix. |
| 15:03.19 | babilen | moarrr: Do you need help? Did you mean to identify to nickserv? (if so, change your password and thank you for using sensible ones) |
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| 15:04.07 | babilen | shawnbon206: The /packaging/ of those packages is supported (free!) and taken care of. The software itself ... well, there is nothing we can do. You get whatever is packaged. |
| 15:04.50 | nkuttler | ,v subversion |
| 15:04.51 | judd | Package: subversion on i386 -- lenny: 1.5.1dfsg1-7; lenny-security: 1.5.1dfsg1-7; lenny-backports: 1.6.12dfsg-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.6.12dfsg-6; squeeze-security: 1.6.12dfsg-6; wheezy: 1.6.17dfsg-4; sid: 1.7.5-1 |
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| 15:05.17 | n2diy_ | ? |
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| 15:05.32 | babilen | nkuttler: huh? |
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| 15:06.50 | jouke | !seen moar |
| 15:06.50 | dpkg | jouke: i haven't seen 'moar' |
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| 15:07.00 | dpkg | moarrr <~protojay@host86-179-32-3.range86-179.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4m 16s ago, saying: 'QX42qZjKGXgMFH6rNXzJK'. |
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| 15:07.18 | boudiccas | i installed 'firmware-linux-nonfree freeware-realtek' onto wheezy, rebooted, the new graaphics started, but gdm3 did not start up and the display showed like a piece of tartan! not good and then it just hung till i rebooted. can anyone help me please as to get the graphcis card using the radeon drivers please and opengl |
| 15:07.36 | jelly | jouke: you can ask dpkg in private with eg. /msg dpkg seen moarrr |
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| 15:07.50 | shawnbon206 | Got it. I am trying to decide a district for my friend (he asked me to) who is a Linux virgin. I wanted to put something on there that was fairly bug less but also had easy access to software. And my other criteria is it is relatively easy to use but not to the point it prevents the user from learning |
| 15:07.52 | jouke | jelly: ah, sorry, I didn't know that |
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| 15:09.56 | shawnbon206 | And I wanted to start from a minimal base system and build a system which takes low memory because he is going to try and run some editing software from a virtual machine |
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| 15:10.14 | mtn | n2diy_: did you find a solution to your problem? |
| 15:10.18 | shawnbon206 | So Linux as a host can be made to take up very little ram |
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| 15:11.43 | n2diy_ | mtn, trying to track down a lock or parentlock file in "profiles" but all the profiles I've found are files, not directories. Otherwise I'll reconfigure the new .icedove directory. |
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| 15:12.04 | mtn | n2diy_: did moving the folder work? |
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| 15:13.13 | n2diy_ | mtn, yes, but I'll have to setup my accounts again in the new directory. If I can figure out/find the lock file, I won't have to do that, and can reuse my existing, old directory. |
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| 15:13.28 | mtn | n2diy_: okay, good to know |
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| 15:14.08 | n2diy_ | mtn, I'll let you know when I've reached a solution. |
| 15:14.32 | anddam | reportbug config file doesn't have any mention of gvim |
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| 15:14.42 | DanDare | n2diy_, browsing for all files in the package will not eventually show you what/where such a lock file is ? |
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| 15:15.00 | DanDare | maybe it have a distinctive name |
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| 15:16.06 | n2diy_ | DanDare, roger that, I'll look around for awhile, and if I can't find it, I'll use the new .icedove directory, and move my accounts there. |
| 15:16.16 | boudiccas | n2diy: have you tried using 'locate foo' to find /all/ instances of foo, including any locklfile or pid? |
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| 15:19.19 | Washu | Hi, I need help, can't install debian, says can't find common CD-ROM drive, can't progress with install, installing from memory stick, have installed loads because but can't on this pc, uses UEFI BIOS if that makes a difference, having a CD drive active doesnt make a difference :s |
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| 15:19.35 | Washu | before* not because |
| 15:19.49 | n2diy_ | mtn, would having my old .thunderbird directory be confusing icedove? |
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| 15:20.47 | mumpitzel | Washu: how did you create the usb stick? |
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| 15:21.10 | Washu | windiskimager i think it was called, have intalled on a different pc and it works fine |
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| 15:22.00 | joebew | Hi |
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| 15:22.16 | mtn | n2diy_: nope, it won't see it. it only looks for .icedove |
| 15:22.19 | joebew | anybody would join with me in the development of a free software program? |
| 15:22.48 | n2diy_ | mtn, roger that. |
| 15:22.55 | joebew | contact me in private for further info |
| 15:23.00 | DanDare | Washu, checked BIOS configurations about booting from USB, some have different settings, something like "HDD" or "ZIP-mode" well, cant exactly remember the names |
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| 15:23.54 | Washu | I doubt I'll find anything like that but ill look |
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| 15:24.47 | DanDare | Washu, its "USB-HDD" x "USB-ZIP" |
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| 15:25.19 | n2diy_ | mtn, nailed it!!! the path in my profile.ini file was pointing to the wrong directory! |
| 15:25.43 | DanDare | Washu, take a look at "Booting Linux using USB-ZIP on older systems" http://www.pendrivelinux.com/tag/boot-option/ maybe something to try |
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| 15:26.03 | Washu | DanDare: I said my system is UEFI, it's a newer system |
| 15:26.06 | tadp0le | Is there a reputable games repo for debian? |
| 15:26.08 | mtn | n2diy_: good deal |
| 15:26.14 | DanDare | oh, sorry |
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| 15:26.50 | Washu | oh i have one idea I'll try, it's in a USB3 port, i'll try use a 2.0 |
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| 15:27.37 | tadp0le | grr |
| 15:27.39 | tadp0le | ;/ |
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| 15:28.12 | tadp0le | Can I use getdeb.net on debian? |
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| 15:29.25 | mumpitzel | tadp0le: no |
| 15:29.46 | mumpitzel | well you can, but you will most certainly destroy your debian installation over time |
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| 15:30.00 | tadp0le | Are there any repo's like that for debian? |
| 15:30.02 | tadp0le | for games |
| 15:30.17 | penguin1 | ##debian-boot is a dummy channel |
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| 15:30.26 | penguin1 | only 1 in there |
| 15:30.33 | penguin1 | I want to also define the port for a debian preseed file: d-i mirror/http/hostname string 192.168.1.2:<port number> |
| 15:30.38 | penguin1 | apparently this doesn't work :( |
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| 15:31.26 | Soru | Hey guys |
| 15:31.39 | Soru | Someone bought the new humble bundle 5? |
| 15:32.34 | hyppias | in /boot I see two kernels: 2.6 and 3. But not in the initial blue screen menu.... what can I do? |
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| 15:33.02 | Washu | hyppias: sudo update-grub |
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| 15:33.28 | hyppias | command not found |
| 15:33.38 | Washu | btw, debian install doesn't work with USB3.0, at least on this system |
| 15:33.45 | Washu | grub-update*? ^^; |
| 15:33.50 | hyppias | yep |
| 15:34.00 | Washu | now it'll appear, should at least |
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| 15:34.27 | hyppias | no grub-update either |
| 15:34.39 | hyppias | cd / |
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| 15:34.54 | hyppias | nope |
| 15:34.55 | Washu | err, you're putting sudo right? you're on debian? |
| 15:35.05 | hyppias | yep. |
| 15:35.12 | Washu | oh wait, go to root, you might not have sudo. |
| 15:35.19 | hyppias | am root |
| 15:35.26 | Washu | ok dont use sudo then |
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| 15:35.50 | hyppias | nope nothing |
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| 15:36.47 | Ristovski | anybody kind enough to tell me what it takes to remove xorg, reinstall it, and compile the drivers manually instead of installing via apt-get? |
| 15:36.50 | Washu | no idea then, that should work; have you installed debian unusually? |
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| 15:37.12 | Washu | Ristovski, download the source and ./configure && make && make install |
| 15:37.14 | Guest62791 | Ristovski, patience and a lot of free time |
| 15:37.16 | hyppias | not that I know of |
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| 15:37.39 | redhat7_ | What is the hotkey to enter terminal mode in Debian? |
| 15:37.44 | Ristovski | Washu: but, doesnt xorg need any configuration? |
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| 15:37.59 | Washu | Ristovski: you don't have to touch it, forget about it :) |
| 15:38.04 | Guest62791 | redhat7_, ctrl+alt+F1-F5 |
| 15:38.04 | Ristovski | I dont think its just apt-get install xorg and compile drivers |
| 15:38.05 | bleutyler | In Gnome on Debian, I have the "Places" menu on the top right. It contains locations such as drives and my CD ROM. However, it contains 2 removable drives there, but they were disconnected yesterday and are no longer available. How can I flush those entries? |
| 15:38.17 | bleutyler | do I just unmount them? |
| 15:38.19 | Washu | Ristovski: you dont even need to compile drivers, just apt install them both |
| 15:38.32 | hyppias | Washu: apt-get grub did it... |
| 15:38.36 | Washu | bleutyler: that would work |
| 15:38.38 | Ristovski | Washu: I dont want that, they suck |
| 15:38.44 | hyppias | beats me... |
| 15:38.48 | Ristovski | and I am certain I can get better perf. if I compiled them |
| 15:38.54 | Washu | Ristovski: well you're opting for the difficult path |
| 15:39.03 | Guest62791 | !gentoosmite Ristovski |
| 15:39.03 | dpkg | spends 6 days recompiling Ristovski, and when it's all done, Ristovski runs 0.6% faster than previously |
| 15:39.03 | Ristovski | Washu: I actually did, tho xorg is fucked up and still uses the old version of Mesa etc.. |
| 15:39.16 | Washu | Also it's unlikely you can gain much I think Ristovski |
| 15:39.22 | redhat7_ | Thanks!I have one more question...when i try to "prepare-kernel-sources" from terminal it get me an error of command not found...how to solve this problem? |
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| 15:39.46 | Washu | no idea, dont know that command |
| 15:39.56 | Ristovski | Washu: if I dont it doesnt matter, atleast I will know how to install xorg and compile drivers myself :D |
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| 15:40.29 | jordanm | !tell redhat7_ about kp mantra |
| 15:40.31 | Washu | Ristovski: like I said download the source for xorg and ./configure && make && make install |
| 15:40.41 | ivotkl | I'm back. Wire got disconnected. |
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| 15:40.54 | Ristovski | Washu: but, will that compile the drivers too? |
| 15:40.58 | ivotkl | !tell ivotkl about iptables |
| 15:41.12 | ivotkl | Oh, nice command. |
| 15:41.13 | redhat7_ | Thanks a lot |
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| 15:41.51 | ivotkl | !tell ivotkl about sshfs |
| 15:42.03 | Washu | Ristovski: no, then you download the drivers and do the same with them. go to the websites of the project and research this is debian not xorg or noveau :P |
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| 15:42.15 | Ristovski | Washu: lol, ok |
| 15:42.28 | Ristovski | Washu: I just purge xorg and it gets rid of everything, right? |
| 15:42.34 | Washu | if you want to know how to do it go read from their websites and learn |
| 15:42.35 | Ristovski | (xorg, and drivers, mesa and stuff) |
| 15:43.05 | Washu | but since you dont know how to do it im telling you you'll get hardly any if any at all (if you dont make it worse even xD) performance from doing it and it'll probably take ages to compile |
| 15:43.41 | Ristovski | Washu: noone said I dont know how to do it, I already compiled the drivers myself, tho xorg fails to load the new ones and uses the old ones for some reason |
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| 15:43.48 | ivotkl | Hey, how can I raise my screen resolution? Only mode available is 800x600 and I can configure with a higher one under Ubuntu, but not under Debian. Any help? |
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| 15:44.05 | Ristovski | thats why i want to reinstall xorg WITHOUT the default xorg-xserver-video-ati driver |
| 15:44.15 | redhat7_ | Is there a link you can provide me on how to install amd radeon hd 6700 drivers on debian? |
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| 15:44.19 | Washu | ivotkl: maybe you need graphics drivers |
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| 15:44.56 | Washu | redhat7_: I think it's in the kernel normally |
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| 15:45.01 | jordanm | Ristovski, and you will also need to recompile everything that links against libxcb, unless you recompile the same version that's already in debian |
| 15:45.26 | Ristovski | jordanm: and by everything that links to libxcb you mean..? |
| 15:45.28 | jordanm | !tell redhat7_ about ati |
| 15:45.37 | Ristovski | (number of pckgs, and size in MB) |
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| 15:45.52 | Washu | redhat7_: if not (also, your name xD :P) try install xf86-video-radeonhd I think is the package |
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| 15:46.21 | redhat7_ | thanks a lot |
| 15:46.26 | jordanm | Ristovski, apt-cache rdepends libxcb1 |
| 15:46.39 | redhat7_ | i know my name is wierd for this chat :p |
| 15:46.47 | Ristovski | great |
| 15:46.57 | ivotkl | Washu: probably, but I do not know where to get them from under Debian. First time I've decided to install and it use as primary distro for learning purposes. |
| 15:47.02 | Ristovski | jordanm: will it recompile it automatically, or do I need to do it manually? |
| 15:47.03 | jordanm | Ristovski, about 25 packages on my machine |
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| 15:47.18 | Ristovski | if manually, that would suck |
| 15:47.22 | Washu | !tell ivotkl about apt |
| 15:47.44 | Washu | whoops wrong one |
| 15:47.49 | Washu | !tell ivotkl about apt-get |
| 15:47.53 | jordanm | Ristovski, you can rebuild the packages, but it's only needed if the version of X you compile is far enough off from what is in debian currently |
| 15:48.22 | Ristovski | jordanm: do I need to recompile if I dl'ed the latest source? |
| 15:48.39 | ivotkl | Haha, Ok. Washu, I have been using Linux since 2009. Even though I'm way too far from being a guru or knowledgeable person about this amazing OS, I know the basics. |
| 15:48.45 | Washu | oh that's not very helpful either :P ivotkl just type apt-get install and the package name if you don't know that, so apt-get install xf86-video-radeonhd, but i expect you have it |
| 15:48.48 | Washu | oh lol |
| 15:48.50 | jordanm | Ristovski, no idea, you will figure that out when your stuff doesn't work or not |
| 15:49.14 | ivotkl | I have a netbook with onboard graphics licensed under Intel. |
| 15:49.19 | Washu | ivotkl: well you said you dont know where to get them :P |
| 15:49.32 | Ristovski | jordanm: lol, ok, just one more question, is this how you do it: purge xorg, compile xorg, compile drivers, make install? |
| 15:49.32 | Washu | oh I thought you said you had ati graphics, mustve gotten confused xD |
| 15:49.33 | ivotkl | I also have a Raspberrypi, but I don't have issues with it. |
| 15:49.45 | ivotkl | Probably, not to worry. =P |
| 15:49.48 | Washu | well are you actually experiencing issues? |
| 15:49.49 | jordanm | Ristovski, if you think you can do better than Xorg developers, then yes |
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| 15:50.11 | Ristovski | jordanm: I dont :| |
| 15:50.29 | Ristovski | ok, now im actually questioning if its worth it |
| 15:50.34 | ivotkl | Not issues per se, but some windows won't fit under 800x600 and I cannot shrink them any further. So, that would be my only issue for the time being Washu. |
| 15:50.49 | Ristovski | also, my god, in every linux distro I have some sort of audio/video issue |
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| 15:51.21 | Washu | ivotkl, mm havent encountered that myself, what graphical interface are you using (GNOME, XFCE, KDE)? maybe their resolution software is misconfigured |
| 15:51.30 | jordanm | Ristovski, what driver are you using currently? |
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| 15:52.07 | ivotkl | Gnome, but tried xrandr command and it says there is only one desktop mode available. |
| 15:52.11 | ivotkl | (800x600) |
| 15:52.37 | Washu | gnome has a graphical app that can handle resolutions im sure, try use that whatever its called |
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| 15:53.30 | ivotkl | Washu: I have tried through the GUI, but it won't allow me to choose more screen resolutions. So, I'm trying to force it somehow or checking which is the appropriate driver to install. |
| 15:53.48 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.25 | Washu | forcing probably isn't the best idea but yea driver seems like a place to start, maybe try installing a newer kernel from backports |
| 15:54.47 | Towzzer | fredl, that's a standard call to check for access |
| 15:54.56 | Ristovski | jordanm: xserver-video-ati and/or xserver-video-radeon, since both are installed |
| 15:54.58 | Towzzer | many services check those files, it's based on the software code |
| 15:55.09 | ivotkl | Washu: Mmm... I'm running latest stable release and, IMHO, I would like it to keep being stable. =P |
| 15:55.16 | Towzzer | I mean, the author can choose to check those files to determine access |
| 15:55.16 | Washu | ivotkl: http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 15:55.20 | jordanm | !tell Ristovski about ati |
| 15:55.23 | Ristovski | jordanm: thats why i would like to reinstall xorg and use only one |
| 15:55.34 | Washu | ivotkl: testing is almost stable anyway and the kernel is unlikely to cause you problems even if it wasn't |
| 15:55.40 | jordanm | Ristovski, /var/log/Xorg.0.log will show you which one you are using |
| 15:55.50 | Ristovski | jordanm: please, I was here like 10 times before here about the ATI drivers |
| 15:56.02 | ivotkl | Ok, great. =) |
| 15:56.12 | jordanm | Ristovski, radeon is fine for basic 3d rendering, but if you are trying to play games or something, you will want fglrx |
| 15:56.13 | Ristovski | jordanm: and it doesnt, it loads them all |
| 15:56.20 | jordanm | Ristovski, no, it doesn't |
| 15:56.24 | Ristovski | jordanm: i tried fglrx, didnt work |
| 15:56.30 | jordanm | Ristovski, paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:56.33 | Ristovski | ok |
| 15:56.43 | ivotkl | Washu: Ok, now let's try gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list =P |
| 15:56.46 | fredl | Towzzer, I understand, this was in the past something usually done with tcpwrapper if I remember correctly... |
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| 15:57.03 | Ristovski | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/241686/ |
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| 15:57.42 | Washu | ivotkl: the only backports seem to be for 2.6 actually which is unfortunate because wheezy has 3.2 which might support intel hd better :s |
| 15:57.51 | jordanm | Ristovski, you are using radeon. what kind of graphics problems are you having? |
| 15:58.01 | Ristovski | jordanm: no problems, just lag |
| 15:58.09 | Washu | does anyone know if you can install linux 3.2 on stable? |
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| 15:58.13 | Ristovski | I used to get 135FPS with fglrx, now HARDLY 60, jordanm |
| 15:58.21 | ivotkl | Oh... So I'll just upgrade to wheezy. =P |
| 15:58.27 | Washu | since it's just a laptop really it might just be easier to go wheezy |
| 15:58.28 | Ristovski | jordanm: tho that was back when i was trying out ubuntu 12.04 |
| 15:58.31 | jordanm | Ristovski, while doing what? |
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| 15:58.39 | Ristovski | jordanm: playing games |
| 15:58.47 | mumpitzel | Ristovski: radeon is always slower than fglrx. that's normal |
| 15:58.56 | jordanm | Ristovski, and... hardly 60? that's probably higher than the refresh rate of your monitor |
| 15:58.58 | Washu | ivotkl: yea wheezy is pretty close to stable so that's worth doing, newer software and probably less bugs than ubuntu still xD |
| 15:59.03 | ivotkl | The thing is that I've learnt recently that my netbook in particular has embedded video licensed by Intel, but manufactured by someone else. And apparently Debian is not happy about it. =P |
| 15:59.10 | Ristovski | jordanm: no, its 60, tho I get like 58-35 |
| 15:59.13 | babilen | Ristovski: 60fps is native for modern displays |
| 15:59.37 | Ristovski | I know, I turned of vert. sync. couple mins ago, and I get like 57FPS |
| 15:59.40 | Ristovski | off* |
| 15:59.42 | jordanm | Ristovski, if you are going to game, just install fglrx. if you have problems installing it, or getting it to work, you can ask for help |
| 15:59.50 | ivotkl | which was the command? apt-get upgrade is not working. |
| 15:59.52 | jordanm | don't jump to solutions like "must recompile xorg" |
| 16:00.02 | jordanm | that wouldn't have got you anywhere |
| 16:00.05 | Ristovski | ok |
| 16:00.12 | Ristovski | jordanm: do I need to remove these drivers to use fglrx? |
| 16:00.14 | ivotkl | Ok, do I have wheezy installed? Hahaha. Wait a sec. |
| 16:00.26 | jordanm | Ristovski, no, the fglrx package will blacklist it for you |
| 16:00.36 | ivotkl | Washu: How come it won't let me upgrade? "Linux ivan-deb 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Feb 25 01:04:36 UTC 2013 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:00.37 | ivotkl | " |
| 16:00.41 | ivotkl | *Washu: How come it won't let me upgrade? "Linux ivan-deb 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Feb 25 01:04:36 UTC 2013 i686 GNU/Linux" |
| 16:00.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell ivotkl -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 16:00.52 | Ristovski | jordanm: any other steps, or just apt-get install fglrx? |
| 16:00.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell ivotkl -about wheezy release notes |
| 16:00.58 | ivotkl | Thanks babilen. |
| 16:01.06 | jordanm | !tell Ristovski about fgrlx |
| 16:01.13 | jordanm | Ristovski, see the PM from dpkg |
| 16:01.24 | jordanm | !tell Ristovski about fglrx |
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| 16:01.30 | ivotkl | Oh, slight big mistake... Forgot to include wheezy there. =P |
| 16:01.34 | babilen | ivotkl: If this is a very new installation it might be easier/faster to simply install wheezy from scratch using "/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy" and following "/msg dpkg install wheezy" |
| 16:01.41 | jordanm | !tell Ristovski about fglrx dkms |
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| 16:01.47 | jordanm | third try should do it :) |
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| 16:01.59 | Washu | ivotkl: what? did you just upgrade your system or soemthing? not sure what im seeing |
| 16:02.14 | Ristovski | jordanm: sorry, lost conn, did you say anything? |
| 16:02.18 | Ristovski | (btw on bouncer, tho no logs) |
| 16:02.30 | jordanm | !tell Ristovski about fglrx dkms |
| 16:02.31 | ivotkl | Washu: I just pasted the output of "uname -a" command. |
| 16:02.36 | jordanm | Ristovski, see the pm from dpkg |
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| 16:02.46 | Washu | ivotkl, babilen: it's not that hard, just go to /etc/apt/sources.list change squeeze to wheezy, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:02.48 | ivotkl | babilen: Even though it is not that old, I'd rather not do that. |
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| 16:02.58 | Ristovski | jordanm: thats... rather cheap |
| 16:03.07 | Ristovski | also, what do I add for "MyGPU" |
| 16:03.13 | Ristovski | model? |
| 16:03.32 | jordanm | Ristovski, you can leave it "MyGPU" |
| 16:03.41 | Ristovski | jordanm: how would that even work/ |
| 16:03.46 | babilen | Washu: I very much prefer to point people to the official instructions as they contain /a lot/ of useful information about the upgrade. |
| 16:03.48 | ivotkl | Breaking it all. I love it. =P |
| 16:03.57 | Ristovski | jordanm: doesnt it need atleast a model? |
| 16:04.08 | jordanm | Ristovski, it's just an identifier that you define |
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| 16:04.18 | Ristovski | oh, ok |
| 16:04.19 | Washu | babilen: im no pro but that method works for me, would you do something more? (also yea is good to get people aware of the docs) |
| 16:04.23 | jordanm | Ristovski, Driver "fglrx" # is what matters |
| 16:04.27 | ivotkl | Washu, babilen: Don't fight for me. I can learn from both of you, hehe. =P |
| 16:04.33 | Ristovski | jordanm: what do i add there? |
| 16:04.49 | Ristovski | oh, nvm |
| 16:05.03 | Ristovski | jordanm: if it borks I can switch to virt. tty, right? |
| 16:05.34 | babilen | Washu: Take a look at wheezy's release notes and you'll see. I don't feel like repeating everything. There are always various changes (e.g. volatile → squeeze-updates in the last one) that have to be taken care of |
| 16:05.45 | Washu | ivotkl, not fighting :D was curious if there were any steps I missed, babilen is right to point you do debian's docs because they'll always have more info there |
| 16:05.59 | ivotkl | Washu: I know, just kidding. Sorry. =) |
| 16:06.03 | babilen | ivotkl: When did you install that box? |
| 16:06.06 | Ristovski | jordanm: also, "linux-header-2.6" isnt that a bit outdated? |
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| 16:06.27 | ivotkl | babilen: let's say 15-20 days ago. |
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| 16:06.30 | babilen | ivotkl: Some bugs are specific to the upgrade path and you might prefer the configuration after you install wheezy. But then, I said that all already :) |
| 16:06.43 | babilen | Ristovski: No, it is not. |
| 16:06.50 | Ristovski | babilen: yes it is |
| 16:06.52 | babilen | Ristovski: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 16:06.58 | ivotkl | Washu, babilen: Anyway, I'd rather install it through update as it would lose Ubuntu's GRUB. Since I'm more familiar with Ubuntu... |
| 16:06.59 | babilen | Ristovski: How so? |
| 16:06.59 | Ristovski | babilen: "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-headers-2.6-3.2.35"" |
| 16:07.05 | Ristovski | it borks |
| 16:07.20 | Ristovski | babilen: wheezy 3.2.35 |
| 16:07.30 | babilen | Ristovski: So install headers for your platform |
| 16:07.34 | Ristovski | ok |
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| 16:07.45 | ivotkl | Alright, almost 1.2 GiB needs to be DL. I'll be done in 30 minutes. Time for a bath in the meantime hehe. |
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| 16:07.56 | Washu | I find ubuntu's dm to be the best these days, can anyone remember what it's called? ^^; |
| 16:08.24 | babilen | Ristovski: It might be that we need a "fglrx dkms wheezy" for people in your position. But just install the linux-header metapackage for your kernel ... (e.g. linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64) |
| 16:08.30 | deepy | unity? |
| 16:08.45 | Washu | no the dm is KDM, GDM, something |
| 16:08.47 | babilen | Washu: Ubuntu uses gdm3 as Display Manager doesn't it? |
| 16:08.57 | Ristovski | babilen: I have made a custom compiled kernel tho, does that change anything? |
| 16:09.02 | Washu | mm maybe im thinking wrong, the welcome/login screen |
| 16:09.04 | Ristovski | also, "linux-image-amd64", ? |
| 16:09.15 | babilen | Ristovski: Sure, you need headers for /your/ kernel. Why did you compile a kernel? |
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| 16:09.30 | Ristovski | babilen: wanted to try it out, what do i need to do now? |
| 16:09.35 | babilen | Ristovski: What is wrong with that package? (linux-image-amd64) |
| 16:09.43 | Ristovski | babilen: wont it replace my kernel? |
| 16:09.48 | Washu | mm maybe it is just gdm |
| 16:09.54 | babilen | Ristovski: Sure it would |
| 16:10.00 | babilen | Ristovski: What are you trying to do? |
| 16:10.05 | Ristovski | D: |
| 16:10.22 | Ristovski | babilen: install fglrx |
| 16:10.33 | Ristovski | I got the command from the bot, tho it fails |
| 16:10.33 | Washu | ive always wondered, why does debian leave the cd in the apt sources? this seems mad since it stops you installing if the disk isnt in |
| 16:10.38 | babilen | Ristovski: To break it down: 1. Install headers for your kernel 2. Install fglrx-driver 3. Configure Xorg |
| 16:11.17 | Ristovski | babilen: *sigh*, I just compiled the one I already had, now I need to replace it again? |
| 16:11.29 | babilen | Ristovski: You obviously cannot use the exact commands if you are on wheezy /and/ in particular if you have your own kernel. So, install whatever package is needed for /your/ kernel (you should know that as you compiled that) and /then/ install the fglrx-driver package |
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| 16:11.43 | babilen | Ristovski: Why did you compile your own kernel? |
| 16:11.50 | mtn | Washu: when I install debian the cd is not selected after install |
| 16:12.03 | Ristovski | babilen: I just wanted to try it out, never have before, i just got the latest one (that is also in teh repos) and compiled it |
| 16:12.13 | Washu | mtn: hmm i think that's sometimes the case with me too i wasnt sure but it certainly is uncommented sometimes |
| 16:12.14 | babilen | Ristovski: You don't have to compile or replace anything. The fglrx-driver package simply requires you to have kernel headers installed. It won't be able to compile the fglrx module otherwise. |
| 16:12.24 | babilen | Ristovski: Why did you do that? |
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| 16:12.31 | babilen | Ristovski: Just to learn how to compile a kernel? |
| 16:12.34 | Ristovski | yeah |
| 16:12.43 | mtn | Washu: if you choose net sources I think the cds are commented out |
| 16:12.52 | Washu | I did, odd |
| 16:12.54 | Ristovski | babilen: cant it generate the headers from the source code? |
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| 16:13.21 | Washu | massive sad face, ipv6 only debian mirror just died all over my face as my stupid old router doesn't support ipv6 |
| 16:13.35 | Ristovski | babilen: oh and also, I got a kernel panic in the old one when I tried to eject the cd, now I dont |
| 16:13.38 | babilen | Ristovski: Well, while that might have been a good exercise I would personally reocmmend to stay with the Debian kernels (and their updates). I would recommend linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64 and be done with it. (Iff you use amd64, if you have a i386 system replace amd64 with 686-pae |
| 16:13.43 | babilen | ) |
| 16:13.54 | Ristovski | ok |
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| 16:14.05 | babilen | Ristovski: Well, you compiled the kernel. I have no idea if you compiled the kernel header package as well. |
| 16:14.12 | Washu | if you want to compile everything use gentoo(dont use gentoo!) or freebsd |
| 16:14.18 | Ristovski | babilen: "linux-image-amd64" |
| 16:14.21 | babilen | Ristovski: But note that if you go this route that /you/ have to take care of upgrade. |
| 16:14.24 | Ristovski | oops |
| 16:14.24 | babilen | Ristovski: yes |
| 16:14.32 | Ristovski | babilen: i meant "linux-image-amd64 is already the newest version." |
| 16:14.32 | babilen | *upgrades |
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| 16:14.59 | Ristovski | babilen: also, its set to manually installed |
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| 16:16.07 | babilen | Ristovski: Well, then install linux-headers-amd64 and be done with it. And make sure to actually use the Debian kernel. Wait, do you mean that you didn't even set a local suffix for /your/ kernel package? Could you show me the output of "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'linux-image-*'" on http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 16:16.27 | babilen | Ristovski: Seriously, you are causing us and yourself a lot of work for nothing apparently |
| 16:16.36 | Ristovski | D: |
| 16:17.03 | babilen | How did you compile and install /your/ kernel? |
| 16:17.13 | Ristovski | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/241689/ |
| 16:17.31 | Ristovski | babilen: I used the autogen script I think |
| 16:17.41 | babilen | autogen? |
| 16:17.41 | Ristovski | it did everything on its own (which sucks) |
| 16:17.46 | Ristovski | babilen: lemme check |
| 16:18.07 | Ristovski | babilen: only make seems like |
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| 16:18.25 | Ristovski | "make oldconfig" |
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| 16:18.32 | babilen | Ristovski: So you did not follow the instructions in http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html ? |
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| 16:19.00 | Ristovski | babilen: I followed a similar one |
| 16:19.05 | Ristovski | let me try to find the link |
| 16:19.20 | babilen | "a similar one" |
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| 16:19.46 | babilen | Ristovski: Either way: You have the Debian kernel (no idea what you did, but *shrug*) ... install linux-headers-amd64 and then continue by installing the fglrx-driver package. You can use the identical configuration. |
| 16:20.04 | Ristovski | ok |
| 16:20.13 | babilen | Ristovski: Paste the output (and your commands) to http://paste.debian.net if you have questions and/or problems. You might want to make sure that you use only the Debian kernel. |
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| 16:20.29 | Ristovski | babilen: it wont install since already installed, -f? |
| 16:20.41 | Ristovski | i already have the headers D: |
| 16:20.52 | babilen | Ristovski: So ... skip that step. |
| 16:20.55 | Ristovski | ok |
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| 16:21.02 | babilen | You cannot install a package more than install it. |
| 16:21.15 | Ristovski | babilen: does it matter if I use apt-get or aptitude? |
| 16:21.20 | freefox | lol |
| 16:21.21 | babilen | There is no "install it twice" or "install it, but really! I mean it!" |
| 16:21.42 | babilen | Ristovski: It shouldn't. Feel free to use apt-get |
| 16:21.46 | Ristovski | ok |
| 16:22.03 | babilen | Ristovski: And please clean up your local kernel installation. |
| 16:22.15 | Ristovski | babilen: you mean delete older versions? |
| 16:22.19 | Ristovski | babilen: also "E: Package 'fglrx' has no installation candidate" |
| 16:22.26 | Ristovski | I need to add a new source? |
| 16:22.30 | babilen | dpkg: fglrx dkms |
| 16:22.31 | dpkg | For Squeeze and Wheezy users. Ask me about <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf». Restart your system to enable the <radeon> blacklist. |
| 16:22.44 | Ristovski | oh, missed it |
| 16:23.05 | babilen | Ristovski: As you can see ^^^ The package is called "fglrx-driver" (and I mentioned that a couple of times) ... Make sure to use the "-r" switch with aptitude. |
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| 16:23.28 | Ristovski | babilen: one question I want to know the most: what can I do if it messes up? |
| 16:23.40 | Ristovski | (aka, fglrx fails to load) |
| 16:24.28 | babilen | Ristovski: Well, show me the output of those commands ^^^^ (and in particular the fglrx-driver isntall) and iff you run into problems paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net and come here for support |
| 16:24.35 | Washu | how sane is aptitude? can I trust it enough to just say Y to whatever it's telling me while dist-upgrade ing on a fresh squeeze install? |
| 16:25.01 | babilen | Ristovski: I wouldn't even recommend to use fglrx, but you seem to want it. Did you check that you need fglrx and not the legacy one for your card? |
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| 16:25.34 | Ristovski | babilen: I used it in ubuntu, worked perfectly, great perf. too |
| 16:25.43 | babilen | Washu: A dist-upgrade shouldn't be too tricky on a fresh install. There should only be a small number of packages that need to be upgraded. |
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| 16:25.55 | babilen | Ristovski: So use it if you want to. |
| 16:26.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ristovski -about radeon |
| 16:26.22 | babilen | Ristovski: Note that the radeon driver is quite alright and provides acceleration. But then, I don't care. do whatever you want to do. |
| 16:26.23 | Ristovski | babilen: the manual config dialog came up, says I need to do aticonfig --initial |
| 16:26.24 | Washu | babilen: just unsure because it asks to remove libept1 and nfs-common(thought id need that one at least) and keep rpcbind as not installed which seems a little odd to me |
| 16:26.32 | babilen | Ristovski: No, you don't. |
| 16:26.48 | Ristovski | babilen: can i use http://paste.debian.net/plain/241692 , now? |
| 16:27.01 | babilen | Washu: Could you paste the entire output + your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 16:27.28 | babilen | Ristovski: yes, please paste the output of the driver installation step to http://paste.debian.net and let me check |
| 16:27.42 | Ristovski | babilen: ok, let it finish in a sec |
| 16:27.48 | Washu | babilen: cant really but it's just default with all instances of 'squeeze' replaced by wheezy |
| 16:28.25 | Ristovski | its at "depmod [insert many dots here]" |
| 16:28.27 | babilen | Washu: err ... you are upgrading from squeeze to wheezy .. That makes a /major/ difference. :) |
| 16:28.30 | dexta | afternoon |
| 16:28.35 | babilen | Washu: I would also recommend to use apt-get for that. |
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| 16:29.01 | babilen | Washu: But just follow http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html it discusses the upgrade process in great detail! |
| 16:29.13 | Ristovski | babilen: here is the log: http://paste.debian.net/241694/ |
| 16:29.14 | babilen | Washu: If you are really lazy ... well, are you? |
| 16:29.46 | babilen | Ristovski: Looks okay ... make sure to boot the /Debian/ kernel. |
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| 16:30.03 | Ristovski | babilen: do I make the mkdir step now? |
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| 16:30.22 | babilen | Ristovski: yes |
| 16:30.32 | onward | Wasn't there a dummy package that builds and teaches how to make a package? |
| 16:30.59 | Ristovski | babilen: done, now, if it borks, what can I do |
| 16:31.08 | babilen | Washu: Heed the advice about proposed-updates, and upgrade the kernel and udev, before the rest of the system |
| 16:31.22 | Ristovski | babilen: do i use the recovery option in grub? |
| 16:31.25 | babilen | Ristovski: I already answered that ... paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and come back |
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| 16:31.46 | Ristovski | how will I come back if it borks? |
| 16:31.53 | Ristovski | meh, live cd, rebooting |
| 16:31.59 | babilen | Ristovski: You can also boot a live cd and chroot or your installer and chroot from there or ... ssh into the box or ... |
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| 16:33.12 | Washu | ive never had an issue going from squeeze to wheezy with simply apt-get dist-upgrade tbh |
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| 16:34.11 | babilen | Washu: Then you haven't seen the various immediate configuration errors, but ... pray continye |
| 16:34.41 | Washu | naw i havent |
| 16:34.58 | Washu | it's a fresh install too, nothing changed |
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| 16:36.08 | mtn | Washu: a clean wheezy install is going to be better |
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| 16:36.36 | Washu | just gonna do dist-upgrade because it hasnt failed me before and i really dont get all this preparation, also aptitude also returns odd stuff like for some reason it's repeating itself when i tried installing linux-image-3.2 when apt-get did it fine so i'll stick to what i know |
| 16:39.14 | babilen | Washu: Why do you think that you should use aptitude? |
| 16:39.49 | Washu | babilen: because it's a more 'advanced' apt-get? i dont really use it anyway because it causes me more problems than it solves |
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| 16:41.36 | babilen | Washu: The release notes recommend to use apt-get for the ugprade (as they did for the lenny -> squeeze one) |
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| 16:47.32 | debianN00b | so finally USB is able to boot |
| 16:47.41 | debianN00b | But the problem is |
| 16:47.47 | Towzzer | wait for it |
| 16:48.08 | debianN00b | it is missing firmware |
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| 16:49.00 | debianN00b | "The missing Firmware file are: iwlwifi-6000g2b-6 iwlwifi-6000g2b-5.ucode |
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| 16:49.11 | tadp0le | How in the heck do I get bumblebee installed, the debian wiki is instructions are not working for me |
| 16:49.15 | debianN00b | How can i get those file please? |
| 16:49.21 | tadp0le | or nvidia for that matter |
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| 16:49.28 | tadp0le | things are not as easy as ubuntu ;/ |
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| 16:50.14 | babilen | debianN00b: Didn't I discuss this at great length? |
| 16:50.37 | tadp0le | debianN00b, http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/firmware-iwlwifi/download |
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| 16:50.39 | babilen | debianN00b: I thought I recommended to use the image with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy) |
| 16:51.16 | babilen | tadp0le: That doesn't help if you install from USB (because you can't IIRC not install from USB /and/ provide the firmware on the USB at the same time) |
| 16:51.24 | redhat7_ | "(gnome-panel:2858): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_accelerator_parse_with_keycode: assertion `accelerator != NULL' failed " on ~/.xsession-errors log |
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| 16:51.51 | tadp0le | oic sorry |
| 16:51.52 | redhat7_ | any thoughts of the problem that might causing this |
| 16:51.58 | tadp0le | I just googled :/ |
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| 16:53.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell debianN00b -about installer firmware wheezy |
| 16:53.45 | babilen | debianN00b: That requires you to have the firmware unpacked on a USB stick and burn the CD1 image you downloaded to a CD |
| 16:53.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell debianN00b -about firmware images wheezy |
| 16:53.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell debianN00b -about install kde |
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| 16:54.47 | babilen | debianN00b: Using those you can install KDE by selecting it in the boot menu and the boot loader will download all the packages it needs for that during the installation. |
| 16:55.25 | babilen | debianN00b: You can /also/ simply finish the installation without configuring your WLAN at this point (you should be connected via ethernet then!) and install the firmware-iwlwifi package afterwards. |
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| 16:56.01 | babilen | debianN00b: If you /have/ to connect via wireless I would recommend to either use the image with firmware /or/ to burn the KDE CD1 to a CD and provide the firmware on a USB stick. |
| 16:56.08 | babilen | debianN00b: Any comments? |
| 16:56.28 | debianN00b | I am reading your msg |
| 16:56.51 | debianN00b | Just i don't want to download anything at installation time |
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| 16:57.35 | debianN00b | If i finish installation without firmware then will i be able install later using apttitude? |
| 16:57.36 | babilen | debianN00b: I haven't tested that, but you /might/ be able to unpack the firmware file (http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/firmware.tar.gz) to a second partition on the USB stick you just created. But I am not sure if that partition is large enough. |
| 16:57.46 | babilen | debianN00b: Are you connected via ethernet right now? |
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| 16:57.52 | cheasee | hi |
| 16:57.54 | debianN00b | yeah |
| 16:58.00 | babilen | debianN00b: yeah, you are fine then. |
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| 16:58.36 | babilen | debianN00b: Just add contrib and non-free to your sources.list (if you haven't configured it in expert install already) and then run "apt-get update ; apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi") |
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| 16:58.52 | debianN00b | ah okay |
| 16:58.58 | debianN00b | going ahead then :) |
| 16:59.10 | babilen | debianN00b: As I said: "If you /have/ to connect via wireless ..." |
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| 16:59.41 | cheasee | i want to reconfigure a package, i tried dpkg-reconfigure which didnt output anything, i tried aptitude purge and afterwards install it again, still no questions about setup like on first install... how do i get those questions again from first install of a package? |
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| 17:00.01 | tadp0le | Debian is really a pain to switch to from ubuntu |
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| 17:00.12 | digdilem | i would see it as a relief |
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| 17:00.22 | babilen | debianN00b: You end up with a sources.list along the lines of http://paste.debian.net/241704/ |
| 17:00.28 | debianN00b | oh no, there are more firmware, rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw |
| 17:00.31 | babilen | tadp0le: How so? |
| 17:00.41 | Washu | tadp0le, isn't really :P |
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| 17:00.52 | babilen | debianN00b: Looks as if you need firmware for your ethernet card too :( |
| 17:00.53 | tadp0le | i cant get my optimus stuff working |
| 17:01.01 | tadp0le | all the debian wiki instructions do not work |
| 17:01.07 | tadp0le | nvidia drivers wont install |
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| 17:01.10 | Washu | ah, proprietary drivers stuff? |
| 17:01.23 | tadp0le | ubuntu I just click install everything else sucked though |
| 17:01.27 | tadp0le | sighs |
| 17:01.27 | Washu | well are the drivers the latest version on debian? |
| 17:01.28 | babilen | tadp0le: The wiki article on nvidia installation is horrible and should be taken down. |
| 17:01.41 | babilen | tadp0le: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 17:01.43 | jelly | babilen: do eeeet |
| 17:01.54 | debianN00b | Not sure what should i do now |
| 17:02.00 | tadp0le | 6.0.7? whatever the current stable iso is is what I got last night |
| 17:02.10 | babilen | jelly: I have nothing better to replace it with. gsimmons wanted to put something up somewhere ... I should bug him |
| 17:02.11 | blubberdiblub | cheasee, what package are you talking about, specifically? |
| 17:02.18 | tadp0le | Im sure I already screwed my install trying to get this working |
| 17:02.19 | debianN00b | perhaps manually coping the firmware to usb? |
| 17:02.20 | cheasee | blubberdiblub: citadel |
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| 17:02.51 | rryoumaa | dizzylizzy: let me restate: what is a trigger in the context of the computer program called aptitude? |
| 17:03.02 | babilen | tadp0le: First and foremost: I would recommend to install wheezy not squeeze (that is testing not stable) right now. You can install the nvidia drivers by following "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" or "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy" respectively |
| 17:03.29 | tadp0le | So I need to download a new iso or can i "upgrade"? |
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| 17:03.43 | blubberdiblub | cheasee, did you also try reconfiguring the other packages in the suite? |
| 17:03.49 | babilen | tadp0le: Not sure which version of the driver supports your GPU and it is quite likely that you need a newer version than the one in squeeze. Given that we will probably relese wheezy within a couple of weeks, I would recommend to simply install that. See "/msg dpkg install wheezy" for further details. |
| 17:03.54 | babilen | tadp0le: Which GPU do you have? |
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| 17:04.22 | tadp0le | lenovo y570 with Optimus setup so intel integrated and nvidia 550m |
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| 17:04.31 | cheasee | blubberdiblub: *shrug* i know what you want to tell me ... |
| 17:04.31 | babilen | tadp0le: You can upgrade (/msg dpkg wheezy release notes ; http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html ; /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy) |
| 17:04.52 | tadp0le | babilen Thanks. |
| 17:04.58 | babilen | tadp0le: Could you show me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" ? |
| 17:05.11 | cheasee | blubberdiblub: omg, i indeed took the virtual package -.- ok clear, thanks for pointing that out! :) |
| 17:05.15 | tadp0le | Yeah give me a sec |
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| 17:05.22 | blubberdiblub | cheasee, you're welcome :) |
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| 17:05.39 | tadp0le | Its two lines can i paste here? |
| 17:05.42 | babilen | tadp0le: Some of the bugs that prevent us from releasing wheezy are specific to the upgrade though and you /might/ get a better configuration/setup by simply installing wheezy from scratch. |
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| 17:06.08 | tadp0le | babilen That is like 10 hours of downloading the iso plus all the software i already installed ;/ |
| 17:06.26 | AlexLikeRock | hi whis media player can rename a lot song seam time ? |
| 17:06.29 | babilen | tadp0le: Well, it would have made sense to come here /before/ you installed Debian :( |
| 17:06.39 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: What? |
| 17:07.02 | babilen | tadp0le: You don't have to upgrade now ... You can install the nvidia driver (and even a slightly newer version) on squeeze just fine. |
| 17:07.08 | babilen | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 17:07.10 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; sid/non-free: 304.64-4; wheezy/non-free: 304.64-4; experimental/non-free: 313.18-2 |
| 17:07.12 | tadp0le | babilen, I stopped asking in support channels unless I had to after a couple weeks of #ubuntu :P |
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| 17:07.30 | tadp0le | babilen I cant seem to get any of it installed following the wiki :P |
| 17:07.44 | babilen | tadp0le: The wiki is /horrible/ |
| 17:07.48 | tadp0le | kinda funny following instructions for my specific version and not getting ANYwhere |
| 17:07.51 | tadp0le | nods |
| 17:08.13 | tadp0le | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0116] (rev 09) |
| 17:08.23 | tadp0le | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:0deb] (rev a1) |
| 17:08.34 | babilen | tadp0le: Thanks, I'll check which driver supports that card. I have /no/ idea about optimus though. |
| 17:08.34 | cheasee | AlexLikeRock: do you want to rename the files? then use command mv, if you want to change titles, you need an ID3-tag editor |
| 17:08.50 | tadp0le | babilen, For reference It sucks in linux. |
| 17:08.55 | babilen | tadp0le: I hear bumblebee mentioned once in a while, but I intentionally didn't buy hardware with it. |
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| 17:08.59 | tadp0le | DO NOT buy optimus. |
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| 17:09.19 | babilen | tadp0le: I know and I intentionally bought a T420 without it |
| 17:09.19 | AlexLikeRock | yuer, yes i need one "auto ID3-tag editor" |
| 17:09.25 | cheasee | tadp0le: why? i still want to buy the keyboard as soon as i can afford it :) |
| 17:09.29 | AlexLikeRock | what it the better one? |
| 17:09.35 | tadp0le | keyboard? |
| 17:09.59 | tadp0le | what are you talking about cheasee |
| 17:10.00 | tadp0le | :p |
| 17:10.14 | babilen | tadp0le: But lets check which driver version your card. That being said: It is quite likely that you want the 313.18-2 version from experimental (it contains all the patches that were integrated shortly before the steam release for linux) |
| 17:10.36 | babilen | tadp0le: But lets get some real information. One second please. |
| 17:10.50 | tadp0le | I would highly appreciate it. This is giving me a headache. |
| 17:10.56 | cheasee | tadp0le: arent you talking about: http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/ ? |
| 17:11.24 | tadp0le | cheasee Optimus in reference to hybrid graphics card setup for laptops integrated intel card and nvidia card |
| 17:11.33 | cheasee | oh hahaha |
| 17:11.38 | tadp0le | Windows has wonderful drivers for it |
| 17:11.49 | tadp0le | They said linux users can die though |
| 17:12.21 | tadp0le | infact I think optimus laptops come with a small pistol and one bullet for linux users |
| 17:12.24 | tadp0le | sighs |
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| 17:13.07 | cheasee | tadp0le: could be, to shoot the producer? |
| 17:13.18 | babilen | tadp0le: Ok, you need /at least/ version 295.59 of the nvidia driver for your card. (cf. ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/295.59/README/README.txt) |
| 17:13.31 | tadp0le | no for your self after trying to get things running. the producer deserves a slower method |
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| 17:13.39 | AlexLikeRock | cheasee what it the best "ATOMATIC ID3- editor" ? |
| 17:13.42 | cheasee | lol |
| 17:13.49 | babilen | tadp0le: You can install that on squeeze from backports (and not upgrade/install wheezy right now) -- See "/msg dpkg bdo" to enable then. |
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| 17:14.27 | babilen | tadp0le: But frankly: I would strongly recommend to install/upgrade to wheezy right now and then follow the instructions in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy" |
| 17:14.38 | cheasee | AlexLikeRock: dont know, im not into id3 editing .. but you can have a look at: aptitude search id3 |
| 17:14.54 | tadp0le | babilen Alright. Ill do that then. |
| 17:15.03 | cheasee | AlexLikeRock: or you look in the graphical ui and search for id3 |
| 17:15.13 | cheasee | there arent much, just try them :) |
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| 17:15.22 | AlexLikeRock | oh! grat idea :-) |
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| 17:15.34 | babilen | tadp0le: If that's okay with you. I can talk you through the backports route, but you'll have to upgrade shortly anyway. |
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| 17:16.03 | tadp0le | Ill upgrade now. |
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| 17:16.06 | babilen | ack |
| 17:16.08 | AlexLikeRock | im lookin to rename massively files on ID3 |
| 17:16.10 | tadp0le | stable is not stable for me :p |
| 17:16.23 | cheasee | stable is old in debian |
| 17:16.27 | cheasee | but its rock stable |
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| 17:16.36 | tadp0le | useless for my hardware |
| 17:16.41 | babilen | tadp0le: "stable" means "not changing" in the context of Debain and has nothing to do with "usable" / "bug free" or so |
| 17:16.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell tadp0le -about stable |
| 17:16.52 | tadp0le | I am starting to understand that :/ |
| 17:17.18 | babilen | tadp0le: We (naturally) still try to make sure that the stable release is bug-free and usable, but it simply means that it won't change. (yes, even the bugs stay the same) |
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| 17:17.37 | babilen | (well, security and grave ones are fixed) |
| 17:17.55 | cheasee | tadp0le: i use stable for systems where i dont need new software, where im ok with old software... and use testing where i need actual software and actual drivers .. just look at the kernel, stable uses 2.6 and testing 3.2 |
| 17:18.15 | tadp0le | That was the first thing I noticed. old kernel |
| 17:18.35 | tadp0le | Kicking my self in the butt for hours wishing I would have not done this :p |
| 17:18.35 | babilen | tadp0le: You /can/ probably get the stable release to a point that it support your hardware (by installing a newer kernel and drivers from backports), but then you can just upgrade to wheezy /at this point/ . |
| 17:18.53 | tadp0le | babilen, Already editing my sources |
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| 17:19.41 | jacksmithz | you can also just run bleeding-edge software in a virtual machine |
| 17:19.53 | tadp0le | I cant. |
| 17:19.56 | jacksmithz | if you dont mind the overhead ofc |
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| 17:20.02 | tadp0le | virtualmachines wont run my graphics card |
| 17:20.55 | jacksmithz | yeah virtual machines aint great for graphic-heavy applications |
| 17:20.55 | tadp0le | optimus R sux |
| 17:21.13 | tadp0le | No, virtualmachines wont even find my graphics card |
| 17:21.22 | tadp0le | just the intel crud one |
| 17:21.42 | cheasee | babilen: well, if it means "usable" ... i noticed e.g. when using qemu i get more network troughput than in testing (maybe kernel affects this) |
| 17:22.06 | babilen | cheasee: That would be a bug and should be reported |
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| 17:23.44 | tadp0le | Off to bash my head in the wall while this gig of stuff downloads. |
| 17:23.45 | tadp0le | ;/ |
| 17:23.50 | cheasee | babilen: a bug? you sure? then ill try to find out what part exactly causes this... |
| 17:23.56 | tadp0le | Thanks for the help. |
| 17:24.11 | babilen | cheasee: Well, isn't it? I would consider that a performance regression. |
| 17:24.12 | AlexLikeRock | not found :-( to rename massivele ID3 :-( |
| 17:24.29 | cheasee | babilen: i would guess old drivers? |
| 17:24.30 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: easytag? |
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| 17:24.41 | cheasee | oh sorry |
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| 17:25.16 | cheasee | not old drivers, i mean testing drivers |
| 17:25.26 | AlexLikeRock | hor to rename massively 150 song , jus only delete the firth 6 character "012 - Soda Stereo-Persiana Americana" to "Soda Stereo-Persiana Americana" ? |
| 17:25.28 | cheasee | which arent stable enough or so |
| 17:25.59 | babilen | tadp0le: I /really/ hope that the upgrade succeeds. You will be disappointed if not and you have to install wheezy from scratch. But then we can probably fix it. It /might/ be the more sensible idea to simply reinstall. Up to you. |
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| 17:27.14 | jelly | AlexLikeRock: rename -n 's/^......//' your files here |
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| 17:27.48 | AlexLikeRock | tanks jelly :-) |
| 17:27.49 | jelly | AlexLikeRock: when you're 100% sure it does the right thing, remove -n |
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| 17:28.03 | cheasee | jelly: he wants to change id3 tag as far as i understood, not change the filename itself |
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| 17:28.20 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: Wait? What do you want to do? Do you want to change ID3 tags or the file names? |
| 17:28.27 | jelly | oh? |
| 17:28.40 | cheasee | AlexLikeRock: in "aptitude search id3" there is an id3 editor called "ID3" |
| 17:28.46 | cheasee | did you try that? |
| 17:28.47 | jelly | AlexLikeRock: are you renaming files or editing ID3 tags? |
| 17:28.52 | babilen | recommended easytag to AlexLikeRock |
| 17:29.14 | cheasee | 18:16:03 < AlexLikeRock> im lookin to rename massively files on ID3 |
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| 17:29.19 | babilen | cheasee: That could be both :) |
| 17:29.26 | cheasee | heh |
| 17:29.28 | cheasee | true |
| 17:29.42 | babilen | Maybe AlexLikeRock wants to rename files using their ID3 tag information? |
| 17:29.51 | cheasee | maybe? :) |
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| 17:29.54 | babilen | Maybe AlexLikeRock should tell us what (s)he wants :) |
| 17:29.59 | AlexLikeRock | babilen, whichever , i need "guayadeque" (media player) detect the name to search lyrics |
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| 17:30.34 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: So you have to edit the id3 tag after all ... Doesn't guayadeque support that? |
| 17:30.47 | babilen | ,v guayadeque |
| 17:30.50 | judd | Package: guayadeque on i386 -- squeeze: 0.2.5-2; sid: 0.3.5~ds0-4; wheezy: 0.3.5~ds0-4 |
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| 17:31.34 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: Looks like it does: http://guayadeque.org/forums/index.php?p=/page/using_trackeditor |
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| 17:32.33 | tharkun | How can I pinpoint a firewall that is blocking comunication between servers on port 22? |
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| 17:33.29 | babilen | tharkun: pinpoint? have you lost your firewall? are you not sure which hop runs it? |
| 17:33.50 | somiaj | babilen: have you tried a traceroute? |
| 17:33.53 | somiaj | tharkun: ^^ |
| 17:34.08 | babilen | brb (fresh elizabethan lemon cakes have just been served) |
| 17:34.27 | tharkun | babilen: I hate you. (/me is on diet) |
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| 17:35.12 | tharkun | somiaj: telnet to several ports work fine. But port 22 is blocked where there should be no firewall at all. |
| 17:35.29 | somiaj | tharkun: how do you know it is blocked? |
| 17:35.49 | somiaj | tharkun: have you tried ssh -vvv foo@bar (maybe something else is prventing loging in) |
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| 17:36.38 | somiaj | tharkun: again a traceroute would help, it will identify the hops being made so try to figure out which one is doing the blocking. Have you also tried to say run your ssh server on another port (say 2222) and see if that works? |
| 17:36.48 | tharkun | somiaj: if telnet fails to connect because of timeout then ssh will also timeout. If I triangulate the conection through my laptop It works fine |
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| 17:38.18 | tharkun | somiaj: Every other port that needs to comunicate works fine but 22. I highly suspect of a firewall. I'm reading man traceroute at this moment |
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| 17:42.37 | martin796 | guys can anyone tell me ,how long squeeze is supported for , I mean the end of life |
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| 17:43.28 | byt | I have a computer that I want to install Debian on, but my network card isn't supported by Debian, how can I install it if it can't download anything? |
| 17:43.30 | babilen | martin796: A year after the release of wheezy (at least) |
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| 17:44.03 | martin796 | thanks when wheezy out ? |
| 17:44.15 | dmonjo_ | is there a way to know from apt-cache or get which version of the sotftware will be installed? |
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| 17:44.32 | ksk | dmonjo_: apt-cache policy $package |
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| 17:44.48 | dmonjo_ | cool thanks |
| 17:44.51 | AlexLikeRock | babilen guayadeque they yes support , but they are many files |
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| 17:45.12 | AlexLikeRock | i can do "rename 's/^......//' * " ? |
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| 17:45.21 | dmonjo_ | and if many versions are returned how can i force it to go with the version i want? |
| 17:45.23 | byt | I tried the firmware package but still my network card isn't supported in that, what should I do? |
| 17:45.25 | link15 | hey all, i havea debian rules question abou tpackaging, is this the place to go? |
| 17:45.37 | blubberdiblub | dmonjo_, apt-get install package=1.2.3 |
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| 17:46.03 | dmonjo_ | cool |
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| 17:46.29 | martin796 | anyone tell me when the final stable release of wheezy is out ? |
| 17:47.03 | Canar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.45 | byt | I have a computer that I want to install Debian on, but my network card isn't supported by Debian, how can I install it if it can't download anything? I have tried the firmaware iso but still my network card isn't supported in that, what should I do? |
| 17:47.56 | martin796 | ok ..as i was looking on the debian release wheezy pages and it doesnt say anything about a rough date or month |
| 17:48.03 | somiaj | martin796: /msg dpkg rc bugs |
| 17:48.09 | somiaj | when that reaches zero |
| 17:48.36 | somiaj | it never will |
| 17:48.53 | somiaj | debian's release cycle is when it is ready, and that you cannot put a date on |
| 17:49.18 | jhutchins_wk | byt: Possibly you should install something other than debian, or try to get a different network card. |
| 17:49.22 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: I am sure it supports changing the tag of many files at once ... What are you actually trying to do? |
| 17:49.33 | martin796 | ok thanks for the answers |
| 17:49.47 | byt | jhutchins_wk: I know the driver for my network card. |
| 17:50.02 | somiaj | byt: is your network card supported by the linux kernel? if so what kernel versions? |
| 17:50.05 | byt | But are you saying I cannot install Debian at all? |
| 17:50.05 | jhutchins_wk | byt: What network card? Do you have a PCI ID by any chance? |
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| 17:50.12 | babilen | byt: Which card is it? Could you show us the "lspci -nn" output for it? |
| 17:50.33 | babilen | byt: Is it supported in Linux? |
| 17:50.53 | byt | it's a USB dongle |
| 17:50.56 | byt | not PCI |
| 17:51.01 | tadp0le | debian servers are slow ;/ |
| 17:51.20 | jelly | byt: what does lsusb say about the card? wired or wireless? |
| 17:51.24 | jhutchins_wk | I don't think he's actually interested in getting help. |
| 17:51.49 | byt | ah,, "Atheros Communications, Inc. AR9271 802.11n" |
| 17:51.52 | byt | it is wireless |
| 17:51.56 | somiaj | yea he has nicely skirted multiple direct questions asked at him |
| 17:51.59 | byt | jhutchins_wk: What do you mean?! |
| 17:52.05 | jelly | byt: those numbers just before are what's interesting |
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| 17:52.26 | byt | What numbers? |
| 17:52.54 | AlexLikeRock | i do :-) renamed all my 120 files songs :-) |
| 17:52.55 | tadp0le | babilen You still around? |
| 17:52.55 | jelly | byt: Bus 008 Device 010: ID 0ac8:c423 Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. -- in this case, 0ac8:c423 |
| 17:53.05 | babilen | tadp0le: sure |
| 17:53.13 | tadp0le | What iso should I download? |
| 17:53.20 | byt | jelly: ? |
| 17:53.29 | tadp0le | dist-upgrade is going to take a year at 200kbps |
| 17:53.30 | babilen | tadp0le: For installing wheezy? |
| 17:53.32 | tadp0le | yes |
| 17:53.35 | tadp0le | or sid |
| 17:53.40 | tadp0le | whatever you suggest |
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| 17:54.07 | jelly | byt: what does the full line in your lsusb output for that card look like? |
| 17:54.16 | AlexLikeRock | babilen ,i do :-) renamed all my 120 files songs :-) , tanks jelly :-) |
| 17:54.26 | byt | "Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0cf3:9271 Atheros Communications, Inc. AR9271 802.11n" |
| 17:54.29 | babilen | tadp0le: Which DE (if any) do you want to use? How are you connected to the internet? Does your hardware require firmware? |
| 17:54.33 | somiaj | tadp0le: you are going to have to download the same approximate amount of data despite if you do a dist-upgrade or you download an installer and install from that |
| 17:54.44 | lxuser_ | hi. anyone here running Debian in a chroot under Android (on the Nexus 7 or other devices)? |
| 17:54.51 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: So you actually wanted to rename the /files/ not change the id3 tags? |
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| 17:55.09 | AlexLikeRock | after i will rename the ID3 |
| 17:55.16 | babilen | tadp0le: But you could just use a faster mirror. Use, for example, http.debain.net -- I mean you are downloading the same data regardless. |
| 17:55.18 | byt | jelly: ^ |
| 17:55.19 | tadp0le | babilen, xfce4 is preferable, wimax (4g), no |
| 17:55.38 | tadp0le | torrents = way freaking faster |
| 17:55.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell tadp0le -about install wheezy |
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| 17:55.58 | somiaj | byt: http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc#Supported_Devices |
| 17:56.00 | jelly | byt: righto, that card uses the ath9k_htc driver from wheezy (to be released as debian 7.0) onwards, |
| 17:56.12 | somiaj | byt: that card is supported in debian, it is even supported in squeeze with backports |
| 17:56.13 | byt | oh |
| 17:56.34 | byt | So there is nothing I can do? |
| 17:56.35 | babilen | tadp0le: You can download the XFCE/LXDE RC1 images from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 17:56.44 | AlexLikeRock | babilen for edit one by one this songs http://paste.debian.net/241720/ its hard |
| 17:56.45 | somiaj | byt: do you listen, you were told twice it is supported. |
| 17:56.47 | babilen | tadp0le: Oh, don't think there are torrents |
| 17:57.13 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: That are filenames. What do you want to achieve? |
| 17:57.15 | jelly | byt: can you get a wired connection temporarily? |
| 17:57.32 | somiaj | byt: you need a newer kernel, so you need to either install wheezy or install the 3.2 kernel from squeeze-backports |
| 17:57.36 | byt | somiaj: I sent that before I saw what you wrote |
| 17:57.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell byt -about install wheezy |
| 17:57.42 | byt | jelly: nope |
| 17:57.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell byt -about kmuto |
| 17:58.01 | byt | If I installed wheezy would everything be alright? |
| 17:58.05 | somiaj | byt: you will also need to get firmware. If you don't have a wired connenction you will have to download the files on another machine and copy them over to that machine. |
| 17:58.19 | babilen | byt: Use the former if you want to install wheezy and the latter if you want to install squeeze (I would probably recommend to insall wheezy at this point using the firmware images) |
| 17:58.28 | somiaj | you will still proabably have to download and copy the firmware over (unless you use the unoffical firmware installer for wheezy) |
| 17:58.29 | byt | somiaj: What firmware will I be needing? |
| 17:58.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell byt -about firmware images wheezy |
| 17:58.39 | somiaj | byt: read the wiki page I sent you |
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| 18:00.09 | tharkun | babilen: how was your lemon cake? |
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| 18:01.56 | byt | babilen: There is a wheezy iso with firmware? |
| 18:02.25 | babilen | tharkun: Oh, most delicious. There are still about 40 left ... |
| 18:02.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell byt -about firmware images wheezy |
| 18:02.45 | tadp0le | babilen, dist-upgrade = 200kbps iso download with downthemall = 2-7mb/s |
| 18:02.47 | tadp0le | :D |
| 18:02.52 | tadp0le | does the tadp0le dance |
| 18:02.59 | byt | babilen: ooh, sorry didn't realise you sent that before |
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| 18:03.28 | babilen | tadp0le: Ah, that makes a difference yeah :) |
| 18:03.43 | byt | babilen: so, is there anything else I need? |
| 18:04.04 | tadp0le | What are the channels oppinions on pros/cons for debian over ubuntu? |
| 18:04.06 | byt | Or should verything work if I use that iso? |
| 18:04.08 | babilen | byt: No |
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| 18:04.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell tadp0le -about why debian |
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| 18:05.01 | tadp0le | babilen, FYI the bot forgot the n in debian on that msg |
| 18:05.15 | babilen | byt: Well, "everything" is pretty much "everything" -- not sure if I want to answer "yes" to that. But your card should be supported, yes. |
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| 18:05.35 | byt | heh, okay |
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| 18:06.16 | babilen | tadp0le: yeah, it is truncated due to the "babilen wants you to know ... " |
| 18:06.17 | byt | babilen: thank you for your help :) |
| 18:06.21 | babilen | np |
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| 18:06.52 | babilen | byt: Also ask our bot about <install wheezy> <install guide wheezy> -- (/msg dpkg install wheezy) |
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| 18:07.20 | babilen | byt: Do you plan to install from USB or CD? |
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| 18:08.21 | boudiccas | locked myself out of wheezy and need to write to /etc/X11/xorg.conf but its RO, how do i access it as RW please? |
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| 18:09.16 | Jorgebio | Hi atrapado |
| 18:09.21 | atrapado | hi Jorgebio |
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| 18:10.03 | Jorgebio | Whats up atrapado? |
| 18:10.26 | tadp0le | Is there a preferred method of putting debian iso on usb? |
| 18:10.33 | thewanderer1 | Hi. I find that flock(1) from util-linux fails to lock files over NFSv4... this apparently has to do with it using flock(2), and flock manpage saying that the syscall does not work over NFS (?), as opposed to fcntl. Now, would that be considered a bug in flock(1)? It says "flock", after all... |
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| 18:11.23 | thewanderer1 | tadp0le: if I'm not mistaken, ISOs are hybrid now, i.e. you should be able to download one and dd it straight to the pendrive's raw block device |
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| 18:12.15 | tadp0le | thanks |
| 18:12.25 | boudiccas | locked myself out of wheezy and need to write to /etc/X11/xorg.conf but its RO, how do i access it as RW please? |
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| 18:12.33 | babilen | tadp0le: Don't use dd .. it is slow. Do you plan to install from USB then? |
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| 18:13.10 | thewanderer1 | ah, right. "cat" and some bash redirection is the new dd for pendrives, it seems |
| 18:13.13 | babilen | tadp0le: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 18:13.20 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: "locked out" how? |
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| 18:13.54 | tadp0le | was just trying to avoid using more cd's |
| 18:13.57 | tadp0le | not a big deal |
| 18:13.59 | babilen | thewanderer1: "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" it is. (the redirect with cat is problematic because you have to be root and it doesn't work with sudo) |
| 18:14.13 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: i'm on a live cd of ubuntu and have moiunted //dev/sda1 and have read only access to the drive and i want to amend xorg.conf |
| 18:14.33 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: well, mount it r/w |
| 18:14.39 | babilen | (with /dev/sdX being the block device of the stick (e.g. /dev/sdb), check "dmesg|tail -n23" after pluggin it in) |
| 18:14.53 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: how, never mountted it as r/w from the cli |
| 18:14.59 | thewanderer1 | babilen: thanks. I don't recall seeing that in the manual - must be new :) |
| 18:15.26 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: how are you mounting it r/o, then? if you're using -o ro, then the flag you need is -o rw |
| 18:16.02 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: just mounting witht eh default options, but i'l try -o rw |
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| 18:23.59 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: i'm mounting it like .. mount /dev/sda1 /mnt -o rw ........... is that stanza right please becuase i havent got rw access to it |
| 18:24.39 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: I usually give it -o rw first, and then the mount point - but it should be working anyway... what indication have you got that it is mounted read-only? |
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| 18:24.56 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: unable to save from kate |
| 18:25.07 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: well, are you root? (probably not, if running kate) |
| 18:25.30 | boudiccas | yes, going in as sudo [root under ubuntu] and starting kate as sudo as well |
| 18:25.55 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: first things first, can you look at `mount` output and check if the filesystem was mounted rw? |
| 18:26.58 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: oh! /dev/sda1 on /mnt type ext4 (rw) |
| 18:28.09 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: sorted now, thanks |
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| 18:29.36 | byt | babilen: USB |
| 18:30.32 | babilen | byt: Which operating systems are you using now (or do you have access to) ? |
| 18:30.37 | byt | Ubuntu |
| 18:30.52 | byt | and I have access to Windows |
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| 18:31.21 | babilen | byt: Ok, in that case follow the instructions in http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/ch04s03.html.en (essentially run "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" (with /dev/sdX being the block device of the stick (e.g. /dev/sdb), check "dmesg|tail -n23" after plugging it in)) |
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| 18:32.57 | byt | babilen: What happened to dd? |
| 18:33.22 | mikelo | hi guys, by dell notebook freezes 3/4 times a day... it used to freeze more but then i recently i switched from nvidia to mesa... i dont know which logs to check |
| 18:33.27 | babilen | byt: It's slower than cp and has a weird syntax that people often get wrong |
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| 18:34.11 | thewanderer1 | mikelo: check if nouveau gets loaded along the way - it used to cause lots of problems for me on a Dell L702x |
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| 18:34.35 | tadpole- | Weee |
| 18:35.04 | tadpole- | Reformatting drives is taking longer then the download haha |
| 18:35.31 | byt | babilen: Another question, for the wheezy iso files are they ever updated to have all the latest packages installed, or does it still include the packages from when it was first added? |
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| 18:35.56 | mikelo | thewanderer1, lsmod | grep nou returns nothing |
| 18:36.05 | babilen | byt: They contain whatever pacakge was in wheezy at their point of creation |
| 18:36.29 | babilen | byt: You will download most packages anyway if you use the netinstall |
| 18:36.48 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: thanks, i'm back on wheezy again |
| 18:36.49 | babilen | byt: Which desktop environment would you like to use? |
| 18:36.51 | byt | okay |
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| 18:36.58 | byt | I'm not really sure.. |
| 18:37.04 | byt | Maybe Gnome 3 |
| 18:37.50 | byt | I suppose I will install Gnome 3 for now |
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| 18:37.53 | babilen | byt: That would be installed by default. If you'd rather try XFCE, LXDE or KDE (see http://www.xfce.org http://www.lxde.org and http://www.kde.org for details) you have to select those manually during the installation. |
| 18:38.05 | byt | okay |
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| 18:38.43 | byt | babilen: But, do the wheezy isos ever get updated to include updated packages for it's rolling relese, or does it just stay with what it came with when it was first created? |
| 18:38.48 | thewanderer1 | mikelo: you'll need to state your hardware and versions of packages, then - please paste it onto paste.debian.net and provide a link to the channel - also, describe the nature of the freeze, is it a hard lockup? or can you still reboot using Alt+SysRq+B ? |
| 18:38.55 | babilen | byt: But just go along if you want Gnome 3 (the selection is in the boot menu Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > [XFCE|LXDE|KDE] > Install |
| 18:39.03 | byt | If someone was not to choose netinstall, that would mean a much larger download to update? |
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| 18:39.15 | babilen | byt: When what was first created? |
| 18:39.20 | byt | the iso |
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| 18:39.30 | Contessa | I cant seem to add a printer in Debian 7 |
| 18:39.46 | babilen | byt: As I said: The isos contain whatever packages were in testing at the point of their creation. |
| 18:39.53 | zinx | Contessa: have you tried using cups? |
| 18:40.05 | babilen | Contessa: Try it on http://localhost:631 |
| 18:40.06 | byt | ok |
| 18:40.12 | byt | well, I will install now |
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| 18:40.13 | Contessa | ok ... |
| 18:40.29 | babilen | Contessa: (oh, and make sure you have cups installed -- which printer is it?) |
| 18:41.02 | mikelo | thewanderer1, whats sysreq? ctrl? |
| 18:41.14 | babilen | mikelo: print screen |
| 18:41.30 | babilen | mikelo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 18:41.54 | mikelo | babilen, is this some secret debian trick :) ? |
| 18:42.07 | babilen | mikelo: It is "secret" trick, but not specific to Debian |
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| 18:43.09 | mikelo | babilen, oh yeah... i have an italian beyboard |
| 18:44.02 | babilen | mikelo: You probably still have a print screen key :) |
| 18:44.45 | babilen | Contessa: Does it work with the web interface? Could you see it or even add the printer there? Which printer is it? Is it maybe even working already? |
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| 18:47.08 | marksaitis | Lets say I have Ubuntu 12.04 or Debian as such installed. All my soft is controlled by package manager. But I go and create a file /lib/libsomething.so . If we visually imagine, a big portion of my system files came from packags which are installed using package managers. But this one file didn't. Is there an utility which would visually of somehow different show me what system files were installed from all packag |
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| 18:47.13 | marksaitis | es installed on the system and which did not. Such tool would be great to inspect system integrity, does anything like that exist? PLEASE HELP |
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| 18:49.06 | babilen | marksaitis: So, what is it? Ubuntu or Debian? |
| 18:49.35 | babilen | marksaitis: and no |
| 18:49.37 | marksaitis | Ubuntu |
| 18:49.49 | babilen | marksaitis: You want #ubuntu for Ubuntu support |
| 18:49.53 | marksaitis | guys say that package manager with a combination of some scripting would do that |
| 18:50.17 | marksaitis | well it is a general linux question :D |
| 18:50.21 | marksaitis | nothing ubuntu specific |
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| 18:50.45 | babilen | Then take it to #linux -- We only support pure Debian (and Debian users) in here for a number of technical and social reasons. |
| 18:50.47 | marksaitis | both systems have .deb package management and both are linux |
| 18:50.49 | marksaitis | I did |
| 18:50.51 | babilen | ##linux that is. |
| 18:50.52 | bazhang | ##linux as you are crossposting in #ubuntu already |
| 18:51.00 | marksaitis | ok |
| 18:51.28 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 18:51.40 | in2tactics | "social" reasons... i love that babilen |
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| 18:51.47 | in2tactics | :) |
| 18:51.58 | babilen | in2tactics: I am absolutely serious about that. (/msg me for details) :) |
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| 18:54.51 | educr0w | Hello, I speak spanish, I am banned from debian-es, how can I know why I am banned?? I didn't connect to irc for a couple of weeks |
| 18:56.40 | Towzzer | Your english is really good |
| 18:56.45 | Towzzer | you can ask questions here perhaps? |
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| 18:58.30 | educr0w | Thank you Towzzer, is a simple question, but I am in surprised abut the ban lol |
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| 18:58.47 | Towzzer | you pay the local gang, the los locos |
| 18:58.54 | haylo | testing, testing. Anyone know how to restart the initramfs ? I am trying to encrypt / decrypt the squashfs root filesystem of debian live |
| 18:59.25 | Towzzer | hi haylo, I don't think initramfs is a service, it's a small kernel used for booting |
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| 18:59.34 | haylo | I got it to "resume: once, but foolishly did not write down the commands as I went along. I had unlocked the encrypted luks partition by hand from within the intramfs |
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| 18:59.50 | haylo | "resume" |
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| 19:00.01 | educr0w | I had my pc with Thunderbird 11, now I change debian to crunchbang, I could install thunderbird 11 with my mail backup and no problem, but, Can I use Thunderbird 17 with my bakcup? |
| 19:00.24 | haylo | right its a small kernel with some kind of binaries or something. cause it has cryptsetup and some other tools, even vi |
| 19:00.29 | mumpitzel | educr0w: you ask the wrong channel. ask crunchbang folks |
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| 19:00.44 | haylo | well i guess that probably busybox vi symlinked |
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| 19:01.03 | educr0w | I think crunchbang will be wrong too, I tryed #thunderbird but just 1 user inside |
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| 19:01.19 | haylo | omg dont use crunchbang, its just a mess made from debian live |
| 19:01.34 | haylo | make your own "distro" with debian live build instead of using crap like that |
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| 19:02.21 | haylo | if you need support for it, only the debian ive people really know how to fix it |
| 19:02.28 | haylo | debian live * |
| 19:02.30 | educr0w | I started my debian stable..and I didn't like it, that is why I try crunch, should I start over from debian testing to get somthing similar? |
| 19:02.33 | mikelo | thewanderer1, just happened again ;) |
| 19:02.35 | Towzzer | crunchbang is a new cereal |
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| 19:03.21 | haylo | crunchbang live isnt even rolled up with cryptsetup, how lame |
| 19:03.27 | haylo | blegh |
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| 19:04.27 | thewanderer1 | mikelo: well, did the magic sysrq work? or was it a hard lockup? |
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| 19:07.13 | mikelo | thewanderer1, forgot to try it :( but the im pretty sure it was a hard lockup... i tried clicking and punching random keys (caps lock etc) |
| 19:07.56 | somiaj | sometimes x will take out the keyboard/mouse/video card and the machine is still running. Having an ssh server and another computer is the only way to test this I have found |
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| 19:09.02 | thewanderer1 | or ping, at least |
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| 19:10.58 | haylo | yeah, I always make sure my systems have ssh installed. even if it is just that micro dropbear ssh client |
| 19:11.17 | Contessa | babilen ... thank you ..cups installed printer OK ... the Printer install under System Tools doesnt work .. |
| 19:11.45 | babilen | Contessa: Great (or not) -- but unintuitive, but then .. you managed it! |
| 19:11.50 | babilen | *bit unintuitive |
| 19:11.58 | Contessa | lol |
| 19:12.16 | babilen | Contessa: happy printing :) |
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| 19:12.45 | Contessa | babilen ... they should probably fix the printer install ... its looking for stuff that I had a look, and is installed, but the Pnrter Install thinks isnt there |
| 19:12.58 | Contessa | like Samba |
| 19:13.56 | Contessa | Printer Install found my printer OK ... but then didnt do anything ... |
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| 19:17.27 | haylo | can you hot plug a printer, and find it in dmesg ? |
| 19:17.46 | haylo | I dont have one, I am just curious |
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| 19:18.19 | abrotman | usb, yes |
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| 19:26.33 | somiaj | Contessa: what printer install are you talking about? Is this something in gnome? |
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| 19:32.47 | haylo | so does intramfs-tools, actually build an initramfs from the existing kernel? or how does that work ? |
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| 19:36.13 | troydm | how do i list installed files from package in aptitude? |
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| 19:39.42 | ompaul | troydm: you mean like apt-cache show foo or something like that? |
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| 19:40.23 | troydm | ompaul: yes, only in aptitude |
| 19:40.27 | haylo | troydm: if you type "aptitude" it wil show you "installed pacakages" or something like this |
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| 19:40.56 | troydm | haylo: no i actually need a list of installed files from a package |
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| 19:41.14 | haylo | also "dpkg --get-selections" |
| 19:41.48 | haylo | ah i see. there is that "apt-file search" but I find it difficult to understand |
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| 19:42.56 | ompaul | troydm: you might look at aptitude show foo or something like that (subtle ;-) ) |
| 19:43.07 | thewanderer1 | troydm: not sure about aptitude, but dpkg manages installed packages and can do it (-L ) |
| 19:44.17 | ompaul | thewanderer1: if it works in apt-get it will have a corresponding end in aptitude - I could be corrected on this but as I understand it, aptitude tries to resolve conflicts where apt-get doesn't |
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| 19:45.00 | thewanderer1 | ompaul: I don't think it works in apt-get... (never had `apt-cache show` actually show me a list of files) |
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| 19:45.29 | ompaul | thewanderer1: well I did type apt-cache (it was implied but then we both remember too much :)) |
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| 19:48.42 | boudiccas | when i was locked out of wheezy i was able to get to the $USER login at the command line but no graphical greeter. how should i get the graphical greeter working then please? |
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| 19:52.01 | Captain_Claw | Hi. How do I replace gnome-screensaver with xscreensaver in Debian Squeeze? |
| 19:52.28 | Captain_Claw | When I try to uninstall gnome-screensaver from synaptic, it wants to remove a lot of stuff that I don't think should be removed .. |
| 19:52.41 | tharkun | how can I get /proc/net/xt_recent/somefile erased ? |
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| 19:52.52 | jch2os | anyone have any issues with debian 6 and BCM5709? I have two bonded 1gb ethernet cards and I'm only getting a rate of 100,000K |
| 19:53.07 | jch2os | another like setup I'm getting 176,000K |
| 19:53.23 | jch2os | it isn't the drive because I can copy on the same machine at 200MB/sec |
| 19:53.40 | thewanderer1 | jch2os: 1Mpps? you're probably pushing some limits, anyway |
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| 19:54.59 | jch2os | at 100,000K? with two crossover cables between two machines? why is it almost twice as fast on my other setup? Same HD's, and the other setup has an older broadcom card |
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| 19:55.23 | thewanderer1 | what exactly is 100,000K? |
| 19:55.40 | jch2os | what I'm doing is watch drbd sync |
| 19:55.53 | jch2os | I invalidate one side to cause a full sync |
| 19:55.56 | thewanderer1 | ok, are you talking about the packet rate or data throughput? |
| 19:56.14 | jch2os | data throughput I think |
| 19:56.34 | thewanderer1 | how are you measuring it, anyway? what does the 100,000K refer to? |
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| 19:57.05 | jch2os | when I cat /proc/drbd during the sync |
| 19:57.10 | jch2os | [=>..................] sync'ed: 11.0% (18244/20476)Mfinish: 0:02:58 speed: 104,756 (103,980) K/sec |
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| 19:57.18 | jch2os | that is what it shows on the slower cluster |
| 19:58.04 | thewanderer1 | looks like KB... so that would be some 103MB/s, about the limit of a single GbE link |
| 19:58.23 | thewanderer1 | what is your bonding setup? |
| 19:58.27 | jch2os | yeah, but I have two bonded |
| 19:58.33 | jch2os | smae as the other, let me pastebin it |
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| 19:59.58 | jch2os | http://pastebin.com/fABUmG0k |
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| 20:03.19 | thewanderer1 | jch2os: and where do you specify the bonding mode? |
| 20:05.52 | thewanderer1 | (cat /sys/class/net/bond0/bonding/mode to see what you are using at the moment) |
| 20:06.50 | jimcooncat | anyone recommend a live cd for computer testing? One with a memory test that will show which chips are bad? Nice disk testing? Or does the standard debian livecd do all that? |
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| 20:11.39 | jch2os | balance-rr 0 |
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| 20:12.37 | thewanderer1 | jimcooncat: well, you can install packages on the live CD once you boot it - but the chances are, if your memory is damaged, it won't boot... it's not really made for hardware testing :P |
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| 20:13.26 | jimcooncat | thewanderer1: thanks. I thought most of these came with memtest86+ (or whatever it's called) |
| 20:13.33 | jch2os | jimcooncat - I have tested tons of memory that is bad but tests good in software tests. A hardware tester works much better. As far as live cd's I like ultimate boot cd |
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| 20:14.10 | thewanderer1 | jimcooncat: there's a userspace tester available (memtester) - won't tell you which stick is bad though... but I'm not sure if memtest can do that, either |
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| 20:14.43 | thewanderer1 | it has a better accuracy than memtest86+ in my experience |
| 20:14.45 | jimcooncat | jch2os: thanks, I'll try that. I just need something handy when someone comes in with a flaky machine so it looks like I tried -- then send them down the street to a repair shop! |
| 20:15.40 | jch2os | jimcooncat -lol...nice! |
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| 20:16.59 | jch2os | thewanderer1 - any other ideas? |
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| 20:18.46 | thewanderer1 | jch2os: well, you could check if the interfaces really are attached to the bond |
| 20:18.56 | jch2os | how do I do that? |
| 20:19.16 | thewanderer1 | in the same sysfs directory as previously, there should be a file called "slaves" or something like that |
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| 20:19.52 | acu | can debian wheezy boot from an lvm ? -- I am creating a virtual machine with three physical partitions - 1 and 3 are lvm and on top is XFS, and partition 2 is swap ---- I am planning to make partition#1 as boot too - but again is LVM with XFS on top of it - do you think it works |
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| 20:23.20 | thewanderer1 | acu: you're better off creating a normal partition for /boot - pretty much the only thing that matters here is GRUB, and I don't know if it has support for /boot on LVM |
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| 20:23.48 | Captain_Claw | Hi. When I'm installing or uninstalling something on Debian Squeeze, it never asks for permission after "sudo apt-get .." |
| 20:23.54 | Captain_Claw | How do I make it ask for permission? |
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| 20:24.24 | thewanderer1 | Captain_Claw: try `sudo -k` - does it ask for permission now when you do sudo apt-get ... ? |
| 20:24.36 | bolt | Captain_Claw: probably because you used sudo already. it will keep you permitted for a while |
| 20:24.45 | bolt | Captain_Claw: see /etc/sudoers |
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| 20:25.53 | bolt | Captain_Claw: also make sure you haven't followed any ridiculous howto and put any NOPASSWD lines in there that you're not aware of :) |
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| 20:27.00 | bolt | saw one a couple of days ago that gave people general access to run "sudo vi" to edit config files... |
| 20:27.10 | bolt | config files such as /etc/sudoers not excluded |
| 20:27.39 | Captain_Claw | thewanderer1: so the format is "sudo -k apt-get .." .. will try it out now |
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| 20:27.52 | bolt | Captain_Claw: no. sudo -k makes sudo forget cached credentials |
| 20:28.21 | Captain_Claw | bolt: :) i'm pretty sure i didn't follow any such howto .. weird thing is this is happening when i open a terminal and give permission for the first time |
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| 20:28.51 | bolt | oh. wait. that's -K. sudo -k apt-get... should make it ignore cached credentials, not forget them. sorry. |
| 20:28.56 | zerooneone | any ideas how i can move postfix logs out of syslog? i'm using squeeze and rsyslog. i already edited rsyslog.conf and changed anything going to syslog mail.none |
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| 20:29.29 | Captain_Claw | bolt: thewanderer1 YES! thank you .. "-k" asks for permission :) |
| 20:30.07 | thewanderer1 | Captain_Claw: well, this is not a security measure you know :) |
| 20:30.16 | bolt | Captain_Claw: then you have cached credentials from something else. sudo -K should remove them. but it's better to figure out what makes them :) |
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| 20:30.57 | bolt | zerooneone: out to where exactly? |
| 20:31.18 | zerooneone | geez nm, there was a *.* going to syslog |
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| 20:31.25 | zerooneone | thanks anyway bolt |
| 20:31.30 | bolt | np :) |
| 20:31.48 | Captain_Claw | thewanderer1: bolt no idea how it got set .. i guess i'll just use "-k" everytime from now on .. |
| 20:31.57 | acu | thewanderer1, I just installed a virtual machine as described and boot it right now - with /root on XFS on a LVM - and it seem that is booting |
| 20:32.13 | acu | I do not know what to think of textbooks anymore :) |
| 20:32.14 | bolt | Captain_Claw: that makes no sense... you specifically specify -k because you want to type your password? |
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| 20:32.30 | thewanderer1 | acu: with /boot on LVM? interesting :) |
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| 20:32.39 | Captain_Claw | bolt: no, I want to receive the "do you want to continue (y/n)" option |
| 20:32.55 | Captain_Claw | bolt: which I am not getting without "-k" for some weird reason |
| 20:33.00 | thewanderer1 | oh what :D |
| 20:33.05 | acu | thewanderer1, yes, unless I drunk something - but I am now installing the second one - see what happens :) |
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| 20:33.26 | bolt | Captain_Claw: that comes up when it wants to install more than what you actually asked for. required libraries and such |
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| 20:33.34 | tadp0le | ckserv idnetify s4t4n |
| 20:33.35 | zerooneone | next question i have: there are two ip addresses on my squeeze box on eth0 and eth0:0. it doesn't seem like i'm able to make iptables rules based on interface (i.e. -A -i eth0), rather it only seems to be working with dest ip |
| 20:33.48 | tadp0le | there goes that password |
| 20:33.48 | tadp0le | :D |
| 20:33.49 | acu | and I learn a BIG Lesson - do Graphic Installation and take a Picture snapshot of the partitioning stage - is so important |
| 20:33.59 | bolt | he needs a new password... |
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| 20:34.27 | acu | I do not think there is a way to see it if you do a cli installation of Wheezy, is it ? |
| 20:34.34 | zerooneone | nice one tadp0le. i hate it when i do that |
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| 20:35.24 | Mohamed-Anwar | Anyway to use framebuffer or surfaceflinger for X ? |
| 20:35.28 | Captain_Claw | bolt: hmm. i am trying to remove gnome-screensaver and it wants to remove "gnome, gnome-accesibility, gnome-core, gnome-desktop-environment" .. but the total size freed is only going to be ~ 8MB. |
| 20:35.30 | tadp0le | xchat forgot it was loading #ubuntu |
| 20:35.33 | thewanderer1 | zerooneone: yes - the eth0:0 is only an illusion |
| 20:35.55 | Captain_Claw | bolt: so i am wondering that if all that is going to be removed, shouldn't it be more than 8MB? |
| 20:35.58 | bolt | Captain_Claw: meta packages don't take up much space :) |
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| 20:36.37 | Captain_Claw | bolt: ahh. so it must be fine to remove it .. |
| 20:36.44 | zerooneone | thewanderer1: so as i understand i can't make eth0:0 into eth1 because it's not a physical interface, right? |
| 20:36.45 | Captain_Claw | ok, here goes #fingers crossed |
| 20:36.57 | thewanderer1 | zerooneone: right |
| 20:37.12 | zerooneone | so i have to rely on ip address with iptables then? |
| 20:37.13 | bolt | Captain_Claw: meta packages are a thing that exists just to simplify installing a bunch of other packages. they have them as a requirement, but contain nothing. but removing one of the things they install requires removal of the meta package because it "depends" on them |
| 20:37.44 | thewanderer1 | zerooneone: you must use IP addresses if you have multiple on one interface, or use a more declarative firewal abstractionl such as Shorewall |
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| 20:38.04 | Captain_Claw | bolt: i see. thanks :) |
| 20:38.08 | zerooneone | thanks thewanderer1 |
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| 20:38.50 | babilen | tadp0le: And, how was the install? |
| 20:39.06 | tadp0le | Frustrating |
| 20:39.16 | babilen | Why is that? |
| 20:39.21 | tadp0le | the installer and lvm/crypt is NOT intuitive |
| 20:39.29 | bolt | Captain_Claw: beware that once you remove the meta package you might want to mark a few other packages as manually installed. otherwise apt-get autoremove and similar might figure out it wants to remove them because what had them as a requirement and caused them to be auto-installed is no longer there |
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| 20:39.48 | babilen | tadp0le: partman could be better, yeah, but what's wrong with the rest? |
| 20:39.49 | bolt | ..or just pay attention :) |
| 20:39.55 | tadp0le | nothing |
| 20:39.58 | tadp0le | everything else is fine |
| 20:40.01 | babilen | tadp0le: But, I take it that you /do/ have a working system now? |
| 20:40.23 | tadp0le | Yes :) |
| 20:42.00 | Captain_Claw | bolt: yeah, it showed like a hundred packages which it said i can remove using autoremove .. but i'm probably not gonna do that |
| 20:42.19 | babilen | tadp0le: btw, there are much better clients than xchat (quassel comes to mind, konversation, ...) |
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| 20:42.29 | babilen | (not to mention irssi, weechat) |
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| 20:43.20 | nullby7e | wheezy waiting |
| 20:43.50 | packetfrog | I dont like irssi |
| 20:43.56 | packetfrog | sighs |
| 20:44.02 | nullby7e | try mirc |
| 20:44.20 | packetfrog | I like mirc |
| 20:44.24 | ompaul | raises an eyebrow |
| 20:44.27 | bolt | Captain_Claw: you can simply "aptitude install" them to mark them as manual. there's also aptitude unmarkauto |
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| 20:44.31 | packetfrog | it runs in wine |
| 20:44.35 | nullby7e | :)))) |
| 20:44.39 | nullby7e | hehehehe |
| 20:44.41 | ompaul | my eyebrow still is raised |
| 20:44.51 | bolt | Captain_Claw: don't do that to libs and such :) |
| 20:45.05 | packetfrog | I used mirc when I was like 12 |
| 20:45.08 | packetfrog | mirc rocks :) |
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| 20:45.37 | bolt | with scripts! awesome, awesome scripts! that nobody reads and that have access to everything your user does! security! |
| 20:45.49 | packetfrog | babilen I have to go work - thanks for all the advice. |
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| 20:49.08 | sencha | I'm having issues with a USB 3.0 controller on Wheezy. I'm getting input/output errors while trying to read USB 3.0 and 2.0 devices. This same hardware works perfectly fine under Ubuntu 12.04 as well as in another machine running Debian Wheezy. |
| 20:49.24 | Captain_Claw | bolt: I definitely won't! :) |
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| 20:49.57 | sencha | I've literally tried everything I can think of to solve the problem, but nothing works. |
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| 20:55.39 | ParkerR | sencha, What does "uname -a" output? |
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| 20:56.52 | sencha | ParkerR, hold on |
| 20:56.56 | ParkerR | sencha, What I am wondering is what kernel it is at. |
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| 20:58.31 | sencha2 | ParkerR: Linux adam-desktop 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.39-2 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:59.09 | ParkerR | sencha, ok was doing some reading. Seems like some 3.0 issues may be fixed in kernel 3.6 and above |
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| 20:59.29 | sencha2 | ParkerR: well, I tested a 3.8.2 kernel on this machine, and still had the same issue |
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| 20:59.40 | ParkerR | Weird |
| 20:59.50 | ParkerR | sencha, liquorix? |
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| 21:00.05 | sencha2 | ParkerR: plus, this same USB 3.0 controller works on my desktop running the same kernel/version of debian wheezy |
| 21:00.22 | ParkerR | O.o |
| 21:00.36 | thewanderer1 | still sounds like funky hardware to me |
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| 21:00.53 | thewanderer1 | could be ACPI |
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| 21:02.05 | sencha2 | ParkerR: thewanderer1, brb, testing something |
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| 21:06.43 | lilibox | hi |
| 21:07.19 | lilibox | does anybody can point me at any good tutorial how to make mirror RAID on already running debian? |
| 21:07.32 | Towzzer | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-creating-software-raid-one-arrays/ |
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| 21:07.48 | lilibox | oh, that was fast :) |
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| 21:09.04 | Towzzer | we aim to please |
| 21:09.09 | thewanderer1 | lilibox: keep in mind that it will destroy your data :P |
| 21:09.23 | Towzzer | We want to offer a different kind of help, if you would like to be ridiculed and suffer please go to the redhat support channel |
| 21:09.37 | zerooneone | another question about iptables. i'm logging REJECTs with fwanalog in a file /var/log/iptables.log but it seems like not everything that is being dropped is getting logged. not sure what i'm doing wrong |
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| 21:11.00 | zerooneone | here are my iptables rules http://paste.debian.net/241756/ |
| 21:11.12 | lilibox | well, yes, i am reading that tutorial and some commands don't sound well, like fdisk and format :) |
| 21:11.23 | zerooneone | with two ip addresses on one interface |
| 21:11.51 | hrenovo | hi. just installed ufw. Where is ufw readme file located that tells you how to enable iptables ? |
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| 21:12.41 | thewanderer1 | hrenovo: I'd try /usr/share/doc/ufw/* |
| 21:12.59 | bolt | hrenovo: dpkg -L <package> (for future reference) |
| 21:13.27 | hrenovo | thanks guys |
| 21:13.29 | hrenovo | awesome! |
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| 21:14.01 | thewanderer1 | zerooneone: well, maybe the limit is kicking in? |
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| 21:15.39 | lilibox | Towzzer: thewanderer1: does exist any other easy solution for me? currently i have got 2 exact the same hdds, one is debian running for 2 years and seconds one is empty - untouched, wrapped yet |
| 21:16.00 | Towzzer | but |
| 21:16.03 | Towzzer | that was a pretty easy guide |
| 21:16.05 | Towzzer | what's wrong |
| 21:16.53 | zerooneone | thewanderer1: i don't think so because what i'm trying is pretty unique. i'm getting lots of DPT=53 but no DPT=81,etc |
| 21:17.03 | thewanderer1 | lilibox: setup a degraded (1-disk) RAID1 on the "clean" HDD, then migrate your install to there, verify it's booting fine, and add your original disk to it later |
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| 21:18.14 | thewanderer1 | (by migrate I mean copy) |
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| 21:19.47 | brontosaurusrex | what would one edit to change the bg color of selected text in gtk2 theme? |
| 21:19.52 | thewanderer1 | zerooneone: well, you can check that manually with nmap or similar |
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| 21:21.35 | zerooneone | thewanderer1: you were right the limit is kicking in. i thought limit was for duplicate packets... |
| 21:21.45 | thewanderer1 | it's per-rule |
| 21:21.50 | lilibox | thewander ok, thank you i will find some materials about what you mentioned |
| 21:22.45 | zerooneone | thewanderer1: i guess i should just drop the hundreds of DPT=53 packets per minute since i'm not running bind... |
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| 21:23.25 | thewanderer1 | zerooneone: it's your box... to be honest, if I was deploying a serious system, I'd implement rate limiting (with deduplication) on the logger side, not in iptables |
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| 21:24.08 | thewanderer1 | you can do fun things these days, such as pipe rsyslog to AMQP and consume the message stream at the other side with PHP/Node.js, applying custom logic rules :P |
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| 21:25.23 | sencha | thewanderer1, ParkerR, yeah, I've tired acpi=off, noapic, unloading/reloading xhci_hcd |
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| 21:25.47 | sencha | thewanderer1, ParkerR, I'm enabling xhci debug in the kernel now in hopes it'll help me |
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| 21:26.40 | sirspazzolot | on monday I burned the minimal install disk to a usb drive with unetbootin and loaded it up. it threw some error because it didn't know what my cd drive was or something like that |
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| 21:27.15 | sirspazzolot | it was asking for a driver cd, which is funny because it couldn't identify my cd drive |
| 21:27.23 | sirspazzolot | is there something obviously wrong that I'm doing? |
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| 21:28.48 | sencha | thewanderer1, I just don't understand why it works on ubuntu and not on debian wheezy on the same machine :S |
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| 21:30.32 | sirspazzolot | sencha complete shot in the dark because I wasn't here for your question but I'm p sure debian and ubuntu have different default hardware support |
| 21:30.49 | thewanderer1 | sirspazzolot: "unetbootin" sounds like it, yeah |
| 21:31.01 | thewanderer1 | sencha: tried the Ubuntu kernel with Debian userspace yet? |
| 21:31.17 | sirspazzolot | thewanderer1: hah. shall I dd from gentoo then or is that equally wrong |
| 21:31.27 | sirspazzolot | heck at this point I can probably google |
| 21:31.27 | sirspazzolot | thanks |
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| 21:34.50 | zerooneone | thewanderer1: your advice was helpful, thanks. i'm not ready to do anything really fancy at this point though |
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| 21:39.47 | zerooneone | is there a way to limit what messages go to dmesg? |
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| 21:41.58 | blackmagic | I own a Dell PE2950, i got the network running, but i cant get a full 100mbit duplex, at best i get 40 down, 60 up. any one know a solution for a fix? |
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| 21:42.18 | blackmagic | using debian 6 2.6.32-openvz as my kernel |
| 21:42.19 | thewanderer1 | sirspazzolot: it's probably documented in the Debian Manual |
| 21:42.49 | thewanderer1 | blackmagic: is this on a LAN? direct cable? no switches/bottlenecks on the way? |
| 21:43.13 | blackmagic | its on a 10GBPs switch. |
| 21:43.24 | blackmagic | i have other servers on that switch that work at full duplex. |
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| 21:43.37 | thewanderer1 | tried a different cable? |
| 21:43.44 | blackmagic | i cant til saturday |
| 21:43.50 | blackmagic | trying to try everything else first :P |
| 21:44.01 | thewanderer1 | (also, FE NICs often are so cheap that they don't really achieve their advertised speeds...) |
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| 21:44.21 | thewanderer1 | how's the system load? is the Linux struggling, or no signs of strain on the host side visible? |
| 21:44.27 | blackmagic | no load PERIOD. |
| 21:44.42 | blackmagic | its not in production mode til i can get it to 100mbit full duplex |
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| 21:57.45 | Ristovski | babilen: I tried, when I set driver to "fglrx" it threw "No screen found" setting it to "radeon" works, tho loads the driver I have been using before |
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| 21:59.32 | Ristovski | oh noes |
| 21:59.52 | Ristovski | babilen: can I uninstall fglrx and use the one previously? since it doesnt work |
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| 22:10.13 | p3rror | hello |
| 22:10.26 | Towzzer | hi there |
| 22:10.42 | p3rror | I've installed aspell-fr and my dashbord lang became in french |
| 22:11.13 | p3rror | please how to configure my locales to keep my first language |
| 22:11.25 | p3rror | I think that aspell-fr do some change in locales |
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| 22:12.45 | LtL | p3rror: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 22:18.44 | p3rror | LtL, does not work |
| 22:19.16 | LtL | p3rror: i had my doubts, what do you mean by 'dashboard'? |
| 22:19.20 | p3rror | LtL, I still have some character like this In function ���main���: |
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| 22:19.51 | p3rror | LtL, Debian menu |
| 22:19.57 | LtL | p3rror: you might try logout/login |
| 22:20.02 | daedeloth_ | so, hot swapable NAS running on debian. what to buy, what to do? |
| 22:20.20 | p3rror | LtL, OK |
| 22:20.28 | p3rror | LtL, and what about this In function ���main���: |
| 22:20.59 | LtL | p3rror: I have no idea what is causing that |
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| 22:22.27 | daedeloth_ | it doesn't really need to be hot swappable, what I mean is that, when I run out of space, I want to smash another hard drive nad and magicallyu have more space |
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| 22:29.05 | educr0w | is debian testin iso the one called debian wheezy DI rc1... ? |
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| 22:35.41 | LtL | educr0w: that would debian installer release candidate 1, so my guess is yes.. thats what you want to install wheezy (testing) |
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| 22:37.00 | educr0w | I installed crunch and I was adviced to make my own install, so I need to startover from testing, right? to have something similar but only with the package I choose |
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| 22:38.09 | LtL | educr0w: I feel somewhat embarrassed but i have no idea what crunch is. starting over sounds wise. |
| 22:38.31 | LtL | crunchbang? yes start over educr0w |
| 22:38.53 | educr0w | yes, sorry to shrink the word :$ |
| 22:39.18 | LtL | educr0w: no problem, i should have guessed quicker. |
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| 22:39.31 | educr0w | I apologize about my english too |
| 22:39.46 | LtL | educr0w: that's perfectly fine. |
| 22:41.38 | blast_hardcheese | I'm just getting started with Xresources, is there a way to determine whether or not my settings are even being picked up by xterm? |
| 22:41.56 | LtL | educr0w: many people install a bare minimum squeeze and dist-upgrade to wheezy, so you may want a squeeze .iso disk handy. |
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| 22:47.22 | LtL | blast_hardcheese: possibly typing 'env' in a terminal may reflect changes if any. |
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| 22:49.35 | azonenberg | So I'm having some trouble with a custom bash prompt |
| 22:49.44 | azonenberg | My PS1 is currently set to |
| 22:49.44 | azonenberg | \033[31;1m\[\e]0;$(/home/azonenberg/scripts/gettitle.php)\a\]${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ \033[0m |
| 22:49.51 | azonenberg | (when running as root) |
| 22:50.14 | azonenberg | when i use the up arrow. i see half of the old command mixed in with the new one |
| 22:50.20 | azonenberg | for example |
| 22:50.21 | azonenberg | root@rijndael:/tmp# ip route admount -v -t cifs -o user=azonenberg,rw //10.2.0.3/andrew /mnt |
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| 22:50.39 | azonenberg | the route command was run earlier and gets jumbled up with the mount command |
| 22:50.44 | azonenberg | when i hit enter the mount command runs normally |
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| 22:51.09 | azonenberg | backspacing will remove the mount command but cannot remove the half of the route command still there |
| 22:51.17 | educr0w | LtL: I downloaded that wheezy rc1 netinstall, is minimum, right? |
| 22:51.19 | azonenberg | So it looks like a display glitch of some sort in which that text somehow becomes part of the prompt |
| 22:53.05 | LtL | educr0w: by minimum i mean a minimum installation of squeeze. if the netinstall of wheezy works you are good to go. |
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| 22:54.11 | LtL | educr0w: sometimes its easier to dist-upgrade rather than run the wheezy installer but you can certainly try. |
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| 22:54.56 | educr0w | ohh ok, I'll do that |
| 22:55.03 | educr0w | thank you! |
| 22:55.16 | LtL | educr0w: if you have only one machine, i would have a squeeze install disk on hand just in case things don't work. |
| 22:55.47 | LtL | educr0w: best of luck :) |
| 22:56.16 | educr0w | Is for a netbook, not this pc :) |
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| 23:06.31 | hellyeah | is there any tool in debian for disabling touch pad |
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| 23:10.00 | abrotman | hellyeah: your bios doesn't have that option ? |
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| 23:10.10 | hellyeah | no |
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| 23:12.47 | sparadokos | I just used dpkg --set-selections < file And it is not installing the packages from the list. Am I missing something? |
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| 23:14.38 | sparadokos | Think I understand now. This is needed to have it install the new packages and uninstall the ones I removed. apt-get -u dselect-upgrade |
| 23:14.41 | abrotman | hellyeah: a) crappy bios, look for an update? b) gsynaptics might have something |
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| 23:17.20 | LtL | sparadokos: do dpkg --clear-selections then dpkg --set-selections <file |
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| 23:19.39 | sparadokos | LtL: then use the other command? apt-get -u dselect-upgrade? |
| 23:20.02 | sparadokos | I see why I would use --clear-selections now. |
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| 23:28.09 | visof | hello |
| 23:28.25 | Rix | if i download debian wheezy rc1 can i later update debian to normal release version without restarting? |
| 23:28.36 | visof | how can i create bootable iso cd using mkisofs , as example for openbsd 5.2 ? |
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| 23:29.57 | Towzzer | Rix- Yes , I'm 90% sure |
| 23:30.03 | visof | please anyone help me |
| 23:30.38 | shawnbon206 | Okay if I install wheezy right now, after it movies to stable will I be able to upgrade it normally with "apt-get upgrade" ??? |
| 23:30.50 | shawnbon206 | S/movies/moves |
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| 23:31.11 | Towzzer | yeah, it just updates the packages |
| 23:31.17 | Towzzer | which won't be that many |
| 23:31.50 | themill | Rix: sure. What you install with the rc1 installer will probably be identical to what is released in any case. There are probably only about 20 or so packages (of the 20k packages!) that will change between now and release. |
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| 23:33.17 | shawnbon206 | Will I have to change repo file? (I forget what it's called) |
| 23:33.41 | educr0w | sources.list :) |
| 23:33.46 | shawnbon206 | Yes |
| 23:33.55 | themill | shawnbon206: your sources.list should already say "wheezy" and there will be nothing to do |
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| 23:34.00 | shawnbon206 | Will I need to edit that |
| 23:34.05 | shawnbon206 | OK thanks |
| 23:34.07 | themill | (assuming that you have wheezy/updates and wheezy-updates already in there) |
| 23:34.24 | shawnbon206 | I don't know why but that was really hard to find that by google |
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| 23:34.59 | shawnbon206 | Some times its 100 times quicker to speak to a human. Unless you already know it and you just need a reference |
| 23:35.22 | shawnbon206 | In any case, thank you :) |
| 23:36.55 | sgn | PEM or PKCS#12 certs for strongswan ipsec? |
| 23:37.28 | Rix | thanks a lot themill :))) |
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| 23:41.08 | shawnbon206 | So is Debian really the way, the truth, and the light? |
| 23:42.31 | themill | of course |
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| 23:43.26 | shawnbon206 | My background is in osx but I know my way around a bash shell. For a Linux dist all my research points here |
| 23:44.00 | gnarface | dan is that you? |
| 23:44.23 | shawnbon206 | No, this is shawn |
| 23:45.09 | gnarface | that's cool shawn |
| 23:45.35 | gnarface | i hope you're enjoying your new debian install |
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| 23:47.07 | shawnbon206 | Its easy to setup. I used Slackware before and Ubuntu before |
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| 23:47.23 | gnarface | its way easier than slackware |
| 23:47.28 | shawnbon206 | I liked Slackware for k.I.s.s. but hated package management |
| 23:47.50 | shawnbon206 | Ubuntu I liked package man but hated bloatyness |
| 23:47.58 | shicy | dual-boot debian and slackware ftw :) |
| 23:48.27 | shawnbon206 | Most win will be Debian dual boot with freebsd |
| 23:48.46 | shawnbon206 | And Debian as a VM host for win 7 and osx 10.6.8 |
| 23:49.08 | shicy | :D |
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| 23:49.50 | shawnbon206 | And 32gb of ram for pro editing software |
| 23:49.58 | shawnbon206 | And engineering software |
| 23:50.26 | andermetalsh | sba |
| 23:50.37 | andermetalsh | shawnbon206: * I use both debian and openbsd |
| 23:51.22 | shawnbon206 | Why open? Openbsd for your server and Debian for desktop? |
| 23:51.24 | gnarface | i really do like packet filter on openbsd for firewalls, but you can theoretically do that on debian now with debian-kbsd |
| 23:52.03 | gnarface | openbsd is a great firewall distro |
| 23:52.14 | shawnbon206 | I wonder if debian-kbsd will ever gain momentum |
| 23:54.00 | shawnbon206 | Gnarface: I am using freebsd for my home media server, I have six 3tb HDDs in it and using raidz |
| 23:54.37 | shawnbon206 | I suppose debian-kbsd could do that too but the fbsd handbook is so all-inclusive |
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| 23:55.20 | shawnbon206 | Why the constant server splits |
| 23:55.43 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:56.19 | shawnbon206 | Mass quits and mass joins |
| 23:57.25 | LtL | shawnbon206: it's possibly lag, i haven't sseen any splits |
| 23:57.26 | shawnbon206 | I guess its not really doing that, they seem massive because I'm viewing this on a 4.8" screen :P |
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