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| 00:18.47 | penguin1 | Can the debian installer somehow use NFS/NBD for downloading the preseed file? |
| 00:18.58 | penguin1 | and the whole netboot thing, too? |
| 00:19.13 | penguin1 | I mean, currently the debian installer is downloaded over tftp as pxelinux |
| 00:19.22 | abrotman | are you trying to make this as difficult as possible? |
| 00:19.57 | penguin1 | no |
| 00:20.02 | penguin1 | but as efficient |
| 00:20.16 | abrotman | for how many installations? |
| 00:20.19 | penguin1 | ok, I am trying around with some stuff and I really want to try it over nfs/nbd |
| 00:20.25 | penguin1 | currently for only one installation |
| 00:20.28 | penguin1 | but I want to try this |
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| 00:25.31 | fellipe | hi I am testing a backup of the filesystem and mbr with rsync and dd. I run dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr bs=512 count=1 in the source host. After that I create a new vm with a bigger hard disk and run dd if=mbr of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 after I run the rsync to take back the filesystem. But when I reboot, I just see GRUB at the top of the screen and it freezes.. |
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| 00:30.07 | abrotman | is that really a filesystem test? |
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| 00:32.01 | fellipe | abrotman, hi! I am just trying to test if I can recover a backup of a host that lost the hard drive |
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| 00:54.44 | hdhd | hi, i wanna transfer a very big folder from a debian machine to a w8 one, and I thought the easiest and faster way would be via samba, mounting a shared windows folder with cifs and copying in it all the data |
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| 00:54.53 | abrotman | didn't you just ask that? |
| 00:54.55 | hdhd | but in this way I only reach 200~300kbps, the maximum upload rate of my internet connection, not my local network |
| 00:55.06 | hdhd | so I must doing something wrong :s |
| 00:55.17 | hdhd | i'm using this "mount -t cifs -o username=user,password=pass //192.168.1.xx/folder/ /mounting/point" |
| 00:55.27 | abrotman | feels like he just read all this |
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| 00:55.45 | DanDare | felipe, i dont really think you can restore the MBR to a different disk |
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| 00:56.02 | DanDare | felipe, its intended to restore a disk with same geometry I guess |
| 00:56.10 | DanDare | felipe, the MBR part ... |
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| 00:58.08 | felipe | DanDare: your guy was 'fellipe' .. quit ~15 mins ago. |
| 00:58.30 | DanDare | oh snap. im sorry |
| 00:58.42 | somiaj | hdhd: are you sure you don't have some other bottle neck like disk speed slowing you down? |
| 00:58.44 | felipe | all good :) just letting you know your answers weren't reaching him. |
| 00:59.01 | hdhd | disk speed wouldn't be so slow |
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| 01:00.29 | hdhd | unless, disk speed shouldn't be so slow |
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| 01:01.09 | hdhd | i mean, a crappy usb drive could go up to 4 mbps |
| 01:01.24 | DanDare | hdhd, its wireless ? |
| 01:01.31 | hdhd | yep |
| 01:01.55 | DanDare | check you not getting huge amounts of packet losses |
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| 01:04.41 | hdhd | there isn't too much lost packets in the statistics page of the router |
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| 01:08.32 | DanDare | hdhd, not much in the last year? last hour ? :p |
| 01:08.45 | hdhd | mmm |
| 01:08.50 | DanDare | not really something to be answered, just a though :p |
| 01:08.51 | hdhd | i don't really know xD |
| 01:09.09 | hdhd | let's reset the counter |
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| 01:11.33 | somiaj | check iwconfig, what wireless mode are you connencted as? |
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| 01:13.19 | hdhd | resetting the router counter, it isn't a problem of lost packets |
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| 01:14.07 | hdhd | ieee 802.11bgn Bit Rate=11 Mb/s |
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| 01:17.53 | DanDare | hdhd, not sure if it can help but take a look into samba logs |
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| 01:18.15 | hdhd | in /var/log? |
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| 01:20.31 | DanDare | hdhd, /var/log/samba |
| 01:21.23 | hdhd | the ones with related ips in their filename are empty |
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| 01:22.18 | somiaj | hdhd: do you have another method to test connenction between the two. Maybe try something outside of samba. |
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| 01:23.41 | DanDare | hdhd, errors usually goes to log.smbd. You can do '> log.smbd' to clean the logfile |
| 01:24.21 | hdhd | log.smbd is empty too |
| 01:24.44 | hdhd | how could i connect it in another way? |
| 01:24.46 | DanDare | but really im not used to samba logs. check http://oreilly.com/openbook/samba/book/ch09_01.html or something not so outdated |
| 01:25.03 | DanDare | maybe the manpage :p |
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| 01:26.59 | somiaj | hdhd: use scp from the windows box and just go over ssh (you will see slower data speeds cause of encryption, but ssh servers are fairly comon to have) |
| 01:27.46 | hdhd | tomorrow i'll try with ssh |
| 01:27.56 | mutante | hdhd: WinSCP |
| 01:28.05 | DanDare | yeah, thats what i use |
| 01:28.07 | hdhd | but is not my computer, i must install it |
| 01:28.14 | DanDare | *mutante |
| 01:28.45 | somiaj | putty has a pscp cli client |
| 01:28.46 | DanDare | or rsync over ssh, its great and has compression if you want |
| 01:28.57 | mutante | hdhd: http://winscp.net/download/winscp514.zip portable executable (not installer) :) |
| 01:29.00 | somiaj | you have to have rsync on both machines though |
| 01:29.21 | DanDare | oh true... thinking about linux-linux |
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| 01:30.51 | hdhd | thx for your help, i'm too sleepy to think clearly ;) |
| 01:31.04 | hdhd | tomorrow would be a better day |
| 01:31.10 | hdhd | even for samba and ssh |
| 01:31.11 | hdhd | xD |
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| 01:41.17 | Contessa | alloo |
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| 01:42.56 | Contessa | does anyone know why I have lost my login, and a couple of icons from my start up for Debian 7 ? |
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| 01:44.33 | abrotman | from your startup? |
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| 01:45.09 | Contessa | well .... I seem to have gone from a graphical login to console, and the netbeans I installed no longer has an icon, nor has the package manager |
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| 01:47.53 | Contessa | can I install gdm safely ? (I presume this graphical front end isnt Gnome ?) |
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| 01:48.02 | abrotman | gdm3 is probably what you want |
| 01:48.13 | Contessa | ok ..lets see what happens |
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| 01:48.54 | Contessa | whatever this interface is, its clumsy |
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| 01:49.21 | Contessa | ok ... back soon ...time to reboot |
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| 01:52.29 | Contessa | Thank you ... that seems to have fixed the issue |
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| 01:56.52 | wakd | On wheezy, I run aptitude interactive curses mode, press ^t for menu, Help > Users Manual where I can read a nice long informative "0.6.8.2 aptitude user's manual". Is this manual in a text file somewhere? I want to read it with 'less'. |
| 01:58.05 | abrotman | wakd: maybe in the aptitude-doc-en package |
| 01:58.26 | abrotman | eh, nope, all HTML |
| 01:58.46 | abrotman | though you could read it with links |
| 01:59.07 | wakd | abrotman: is it there in html? Sorry I am new to debian, I am a bit slow to check myself. |
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| 02:02.36 | return_0 | @wakd - The file can be found in /use/share/aptitude/README |
| 02:02.50 | return_0 | */usr |
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| 02:04.29 | return_0 | @wakd - i.e. less /usr/share/aptitude/README |
| 02:04.38 | wakd | return_0: got it, thank you! Also abrotman, thanks for identifying the package. |
| 02:04.55 | return_0 | No worries |
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| 02:31.14 | nezZario | so, never used ssd's until today, what is the best-case for ssd performance? ext4 + defaults,noatime,nodiratime,discard ? |
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| 02:36.04 | ZekeS | something something run fstrim in a cronjob something |
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| 03:07.24 | stew | wassup homies? |
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| 03:16.59 | Yoshi1 | hello |
| 03:17.14 | Yoshi1 | i am having trouble enabling php so i can write and test pages on my system |
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| 03:19.42 | krocos | Yoshi1, apachectl start |
| 03:19.47 | krocos | ) |
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| 03:20.46 | themill | Yoshi1: which web server? did you install the php module appropriate to that web server? what have you tried? what doesn't work |
| 03:20.50 | Yoshi1 | krocos: says already running |
| 03:21.16 | Yoshi1 | themill: well i was following http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp |
| 03:21.21 | krocos | so you need to install apache2-php |
| 03:21.34 | Yoshi1 | and aside from perl i got it all going |
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| 03:21.44 | Yoshi1 | down to the phpmyadmin |
| 03:23.06 | hongquan | Hello, today apt-get does not work: Connection Failed (Debian Squeeze). Any help? |
| 03:23.14 | krocos | do you <?php phpinfo(); ?> ? |
| 03:23.42 | krocos | Yoshi1, <?php phpinfo(); ?> |
| 03:23.46 | hongquan | but I can still retrieve file via wget |
| 03:23.58 | Yoshi1 | krocos: yes in a browser the browser tries to save it from the cli it works though |
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| 03:24.20 | themill | Yoshi1: please try testing it with wget or curl and not with your web browser |
| 03:24.41 | Yoshi1 | themill: how do you test a webpage with wget? |
| 03:25.11 | themill | wget http://your.machine/test.php -O- |
| 03:25.32 | krocos | what for wget? |
| 03:25.58 | Yoshi1 | themill: this isnt on an outside server this is on my own machine thats right in front of me |
| 03:26.29 | themill | Yoshi1: so the machine name is presumably "localhost" then. |
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| 03:26.56 | Yoshi1 | themill: ok that worked |
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| 03:27.24 | Yoshi1 | themill: i dont know what it did precisely but it didnt give an error |
| 03:27.28 | themill | Yoshi1: worked in the sense that you got a pile of info about php? or did you just get the raw php code? |
| 03:27.49 | yano | so i tried upgrading from squeeze to wheezy by doing %s/squeeze/wheezy/g in /etc/apt/sources.list and then did: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade. now when i bot, after getting past grub, and it asking for my hard drive encryption password, the screen draws a blank and the num lock light on my keyboard doesn't work. |
| 03:27.56 | yano | more importantly i can't get to any TTYes |
| 03:28.10 | yano | any advice for which direction i should go in trying to fix this? |
| 03:28.34 | yano | s/bot/boot/ |
| 03:28.39 | Yoshi1 | themill: neither i did use php5 -f test.php on the file though and that gives me a bunch of info about php |
| 03:29.42 | themill | Yoshi1: so what *did* wget give you? Please try to be specific about this and make it easy for us to help you. |
| 03:29.53 | Yoshi1 | wget http://localhost/test.php actually this gives me a 404 error |
| 03:29.54 | rww | yano: which graphics card do you have? |
| 03:30.13 | krocos | hmmm |
| 03:30.17 | themill | Yoshi1: so fix that url... |
| 03:30.31 | Yoshi1 | themill: i dont know whats wrong with the url |
| 03:30.32 | yano | rww: i'm not sure, i can't get to a working command line unless i use a live cd. i know it is an ATI video card. i can find out here in a minute |
| 03:31.03 | themill | Yoshi1: umm... how were you testing your php with the browser then? |
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| 03:31.12 | rww | yano: try adding "nomodeset" to your kernel command line, my ATI card causes something similar if firmware-linux-nonfree isn't installed (which I assume it isn't) |
| 03:31.13 | yano | i've been thinkging it might be my graphics card, but the keyboard light for when i toggle num lock doesn't do anything after i enter my encryption password. |
| 03:31.34 | Yoshi1 | themill: file -> open -> test.php |
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| 03:31.45 | Yoshi1 | themill: alternativly just drag it from folder windows into browser window |
| 03:31.51 | krocos | Yoshi1: meaby your file (test.php) is in subfolder in webserver rootfolder? |
| 03:31.54 | themill | Yoshi1: well that's never going to work |
| 03:32.02 | yano | rww: for clarification, by "kernel command line" do you mean what i edit when using "e" at the grub loader. the thing that calls init? |
| 03:32.20 | rww | yano: the line starting "kernel" in there, yes |
| 03:32.27 | Yoshi1 | themill: then how is one supposed to do it? |
| 03:33.13 | themill | Yoshi1: you installed a webserver, right? php is designed to be executed by the webserver. |
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| 03:33.52 | themill | (also, why are you writing php code if you don't already know this... please don't add to the piles of terrible php that are out there by making this sort of stuff up as you go along -- go and *learn* how to do this stuff *properly*) |
| 03:33.58 | Yoshi1 | themill: yes i know it is i'm assuming apache2 is a webserver |
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| 03:34.06 | yano | rww: put at that the top? the third line in this file is "load_video" |
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| 03:34.35 | yano | first line is "setparams" with a string describing Debian |
| 03:34.37 | themill | Yoshi1: so you have to use the webserver to execute the php and give you the results. Opening a file from disk doesn't do that. |
| 03:34.43 | Fare | hi. My git-buildpackage script for cl-asdf now fails. bitrot after a year or so |
| 03:35.01 | rww | yano: there's a line in GRUB on boot along the lines of kernel /boot/somethingorother root=somethingorother init=somethingorother. add nomodeset to the end of it |
| 03:35.12 | krocos | Yoshi1: your webserver run under root privilege |
| 03:35.13 | Fare | I get this error: dh_clean gbp:error: Unknown value 2.32 |
| 03:35.16 | krocos | ? |
| 03:35.26 | Yoshi1 | themill: actually php was one of the classes i took in college i just never ran one i wrote on my own system before |
| 03:35.38 | Fare | 2.32 is the tag for the version I'm trying to release |
| 03:36.17 | krocos | Yoshi1: may be your server does not have access to your folder www |
| 03:36.45 | krocos | Yoshi1: change you access rights? |
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| 03:37.03 | Fare | where do I get help creating a package? |
| 03:37.09 | themill | dpkg: tell Fare about mentors |
| 03:37.25 | krocos | Yoshi1:from which user daemon is running? |
| 03:37.26 | themill | Fare: you'd need to show people the d/rules file and whatever gpb config you have |
| 03:37.31 | Fare | themill, thanks |
| 03:38.19 | Fare | I never touched gpb. It's an old d/rules copy/pasted from whenever. Used to work a stable release ago. |
| 03:38.38 | Fare | dh_clean is the last command in the target clean: |
| 03:39.14 | yano | rww: hm mine line looks like this: Linux /vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/debby--enc-deb--root ro quiet |
| 03:39.19 | krocos | Yoshi1: change rights to run apache daemon for that he had access to the www folder |
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| 03:39.35 | rww | yano: so add nomodeset to the end of it |
| 03:39.42 | krocos | Yoshi1: are you here? |
| 03:39.43 | krocos | )) |
| 03:39.45 | yano | rww: alrighty, just checking |
| 03:40.10 | rww | although that line looks weird as all heck (specifically the "Linux" bit), but whatever |
| 03:40.26 | yano | crosses fingers and lets it boot |
| 03:40.35 | yano | well it's lowercase |
| 03:40.40 | yano | the "Linux" part |
| 03:40.42 | rww | ah |
| 03:40.58 | yano | i have WeeChat set to capitalize Linux to Linux. |
| 03:41.05 | rww | giggles |
| 03:41.11 | yano | i probably should turn that off |
| 03:41.27 | yano | anyways, i'm back to the same blank screen and the keyboard num lock light isn't toggling |
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| 03:42.30 | yano | also the weird thing is i tried following these sintructions here: http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-reset-debian-root-password.html |
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| 03:42.54 | yano | since i also conventiently forgot my root password, and that doesn't work. i'm wondering if those instructions weren't updated for wheezy? |
| 03:43.07 | rww | "doesn't work" means you get that blank screen, or...? |
| 03:43.43 | yano | rww: yes, blank screen and keyboard is not working (ie: num lock light can't be toggled by the num lock key). even after waiting a minute or so |
| 03:44.01 | yano | and i can't get a TTY when i press ctrl+alt+f1 -f8 |
| 03:44.14 | LtL | 314159 |
| 03:44.21 | LtL | sorry |
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| 03:44.48 | DanDare | hi yano. sometimes bad drivers (vidcard e.g.), can freeze PC or cause abnormalities |
| 03:44.52 | rww | yano: try radeon.modeset=0 instead of nomodeset |
| 03:45.14 | rww | yano: (this continues to sound like a graphics card problem to me too) |
| 03:45.20 | DanDare | well, "bad" as mis configured or not proper settings. also bugs i guess :p |
| 03:45.35 | yano | hm, well i was running proprietary drivers before the upgrade |
| 03:45.43 | rww | that would be relevant debugging information |
| 03:45.53 | rww | fglrx is batcrap crazy and I am neither able nor willing to support it :\ |
| 03:46.19 | yano | yea, i don't specifically feel i need proprietary drivers at this moment in time, just as long as i can get something to display |
| 03:46.22 | yano | heh |
| 03:46.26 | yano | i'll give that line a try, rww |
| 03:46.37 | rww | it won't do anything if you're using fglrx instead of radeon, but it can't hurt |
| 03:48.15 | yano | drats, yea i think it was fglrx. as the radeon.modeset line didn't help. hm |
| 03:48.22 | yano | goes back to searching the web |
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| 03:48.32 | DanDare | god bless VMs. just trying wheezy right now |
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| 03:50.39 | jpinx | DanDare: I have vm's of everything since etch ;) |
| 03:51.20 | DanDare | jpinx, like collecting these Vms since etch ? |
| 03:51.55 | jpinx | DanDare: I have some old apps that won't run on newer releases ;) |
| 03:52.10 | DanDare | oh, ok |
| 03:52.17 | rww | yano: I guess you could boot from a LiveCD, chroot in, and nuke fglrx from there |
| 03:52.25 | rww | yano: I haven't done that before though, so... |
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| 03:53.03 | DanDare | i just usually set some on the desktop pc (thats windows), to have some nice linux to perform linux tasks :) |
| 03:53.12 | yano | rww: yea, i have a fedora live *cd* laying around here. i found out last night that apparently my Linux mint 13 live dvd i had laying around doesn't support LVM! but yea, i'll give that a shot and see if i can nuke it from there |
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| 03:57.24 | Fare | any user of git-buildpackage? |
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| 04:00.51 | vamp774 | I just did a fresh install of Debian. I have 2 monitors but it only detects one. How can I get it to detect the other? |
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| 04:01.10 | yano | lspci |
| 04:01.12 | yano | er |
| 04:01.27 | yano | i think you want to see if both show up here: lspci | grep -i VGA |
| 04:01.40 | yano | then again, that might only show the video cards rather than the monitors |
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| 04:01.59 | vamp774 | yano, yeah thats the cards |
| 04:02.11 | yano | dang, sorry about that |
| 04:02.20 | vamp774 | np haha much appreciated |
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| 04:03.02 | nutcase | any idea why pidgin is giving me some weird error Server does not use any supported authentication method |
| 04:03.10 | nutcase | when I havent changed anything either on the client or the server |
| 04:03.15 | DanDare | vamp774, i guess its driver level supported. Not sure about interfaces but more like something to be tweaked on driver configurations |
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| 04:03.19 | nutcase | and its happening with multiple servers |
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| 04:04.15 | vamp774 | DanDare, ok. I just messed up with graphics drivers so I started over. I'd like to do things whatever way Debian supports. I guess thats Nouveau right? |
| 04:04.37 | vamp774 | Whenever I add an xorg.conf I cannot boot |
| 04:05.15 | DanDare | vamp774, im not sure. last time i tried dual monitor was xfree times. well, they probably have smarter ways of doing it nowadays |
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| 04:05.30 | DanDare | checks Nouveau |
| 04:05.58 | vamp774 | DanDare, ok. Yeah I really messed something up bad last time |
| 04:05.59 | DanDare | oh, nvidia |
| 04:06.32 | vamp774 | Yeah. I was able to get them to work on Trisquel somehow |
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| 04:07.08 | vamp774 | Somehow I removed a dependency of NVIDIA....that was fun... |
| 04:07.51 | DanDare | messing with drivers is troublesome... I mean after you install nvidia own installer at some point |
| 04:08.15 | vamp774 | Yeah I'd be cool with what I have now if it were not for my other monitor |
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| 04:08.41 | c4nuck | hi |
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| 04:08.57 | vamp774 | DanDare, At this point I figure I'll just stop doing the other monitor. I mean Linux supports multiple desktops anyways |
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| 04:09.23 | c4nuck | say i wanted to run "hddtemp" which requires superuser as a regular user. I could use sudo but since its in a script i don't want to have to enter a password. How would i go about running it as a regular user ? |
| 04:09.40 | vamp774 | DanDare, I appreciate your help |
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| 04:11.58 | c4nuck | anybody ? |
| 04:12.58 | DanDare | c4nuck, you can do "su - rod -c /etc/scripts/startvm.sh" to run the script as user "rod" e.g. |
| 04:15.07 | DanDare | stuff I add at /etc/rc.local run as root ? |
| 04:15.49 | c4nuck | DanDare, wouldn't i have to enter a password for that user though ? |
| 04:15.55 | DanDare | c4nuck, you can also add scripts to be run as root in crontab |
| 04:15.58 | c4nuck | its root i need though not a certain user |
| 04:16.21 | c4nuck | the thing with this is its for a program called "conky" and the command is run from inside a script on intervals |
| 04:16.41 | c4nuck | i have it set for every minute to update the hdd temp on the "conky" hardware monitor |
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| 04:17.04 | DanDare | c4nuck, no need for passwords. but i think its relative like you cannot try that using "root" from a script without right privileges |
| 04:17.10 | DanDare | e.g. |
| 04:17.42 | DanDare | c4nuck, well. adding a crotab job will do it, no ? |
| 04:17.46 | DanDare | *crontab |
| 04:17.52 | c4nuck | i'm not sure |
| 04:18.01 | c4nuck | i don't know much about crontabs tbh |
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| 04:19.33 | DanDare | c4nuck, take a look into it so. I think you can do it easily by adding a crontab job |
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| 04:20.05 | DanDare | I know that is a bad bad thing but i usually just edit crontab and add lines there |
| 04:20.11 | c4nuck | hmm |
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| 04:25.17 | twinkie_addict | what version of debian does sid refer to and i know its ustabel but will ever go stable or be mor like a rolling release ? |
| 04:25.31 | DanDare | popularity-contest results are used in a dynamic way, changing medias on a release or it takes effect in the next release ? |
| 04:26.30 | DanDare | hmm, changing medias on a same release doesnt make sense after all, it would be a big mess if so I guess .... |
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| 04:28.44 | rww | twinkie_addict: packages migrate from sid/unstable to testing. testing is eventually released. sid is not. |
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| 04:29.25 | rww | twinkie_addict: since sid is affected by testing freezes, it is not really what people tend to think of as a "rolling release" |
| 04:29.32 | twinkie_addict | i see |
| 04:30.00 | rww | ("affected" in that maintainers will often not upload new versions of packages to sid during freezes unless they're intended to migrate to testing to fix serious bugs) |
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| 04:30.31 | themill | there's not really such ting as a "rolling release" anyway... it's a contradiction in terms and is probably better off described as "untested dumping ground" |
| 04:31.04 | twinkie_addict | thanks for reply im off to bed now gnight all |
| 04:31.19 | rww | meanwhile in another channel I'm in, someone using Arch on a server is having Problems |
| 04:32.19 | DanDare | well, problems is very different than Problems I guess :p |
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| 04:34.10 | somiaj | did the idea of debian cut die, or is it just waiting until after wheezy is released. |
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| 04:34.56 | rww | http://cut.debian.net/ claims "Paused until Debian Wheezy is released." |
| 04:35.01 | ParkerR | Does anybody know of an alternative to sbmanager? ( http://www.ubuntugeek.com/sbmanager-manage-iphoneipod-touch-springboard-icons-from-ubuntu-desktop.html ) The last update was almost a year ago and compiling it now it throws an error after launching complaining about using gtk2 and gtk3 symbols in the same process |
| 04:35.05 | rww | no idea if that's accurate, though |
| 04:36.01 | haylo | any advice/expereince/walkthroughs/guides on using the debootstyrap option --unpack-tarball= ? I am trying to make the tarball right now with --make-tarball= |
| 04:36.13 | somiaj | rww: yea it could be something that looses momentum. Though I think I would rather just see more support with backports than having to create monthly snapshots of testing |
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| 04:37.35 | haylo | also once I have switched to using the tarballs, I will be going back to working on encrypting using dm-crypt. question about dm-crypt... If I encrypt / with a simple luks passphrase encryption, will the kernel automatically detect it while trying to mount the partition, and prompt for the passphrase ? |
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| 04:40.46 | haylo | I am trying to use this line, to start with... If this looks correct/ or not , opinions welcome: debootstrap --make-tarball=haylos_boot_tar sid /mnt http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ |
| 04:40.54 | DanDare | oh cool. the green [OK] at boot are back in wheezy :) |
| 04:41.03 | haylo | DanDare: lulz |
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| 04:41.18 | haylo | those green oks are pretty sweet huh |
| 04:41.23 | DanDare | sure |
| 04:41.48 | DanDare | also nice as distinctive way to detect red alerts |
| 04:42.05 | DanDare | well, for the casual observer |
| 04:42.19 | haylo | Where can you find that stuff in /var/logs ? |
| 04:42.40 | haylo | I always getr errors when I am trying to switch over to busybox login shell, especially with aufs |
| 04:42.44 | DanDare | hmm, i usually just do dmesg when i want to check things |
| 04:43.14 | haylo | hmm yeah same. but I dont htink it is in dmesg, not sure though |
| 04:44.16 | DanDare | haylo, im afraid they arent automatically saved to any log |
| 04:47.26 | yano | hm, i mounted my encrypted partition so i cna read/write to it from a live cd, but when i try to chroot into the debian partition, i get this: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/d620f654e830fea32bb0 |
| 04:48.00 | rww | yano: you're using a 32-bit live CD and chrooting into a 64-bit system, I assume. This will not work. |
| 04:48.09 | yano | drats |
| 04:48.11 | yano | checks |
| 04:48.18 | haylo | ParkerR: no reason to PM unless you have a question abotu a particular topic, and it is not ontopic for the channel |
| 04:48.20 | yano | dang nabbit |
| 04:48.26 | yano | the fedora live cd i'm using is 32bit |
| 04:48.28 | yano | /fail |
| 04:48.29 | rww | yano: I know because I did the exact same thing the other week :s |
| 04:48.55 | yano | rww: lol, awww |
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| 05:03.35 | yano | woot, i'm chrooted in \o/ |
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| 05:20.32 | yano | so, "aptitude search fglrx" doesn't yield anything installed, but i know it is using the proprietary driver, because of what, grep -i "driver" /var/log/Xorg.0.log shows, which is "(II) ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Version Identifier: 8.88.7 |
| 05:20.42 | yano | how can i disable X11 from using that driver? |
| 05:23.01 | yano | and this is my /etc/X11/xorg.conf -- https://gist.github.com/anonymous/11181476b05538547c50 |
| 05:25.08 | yano | and more specifically, grep -i "driver" /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- yields -- https://gist.github.com/anonymous/cbfbbf2c9aee3d36cb3d |
| 05:25.10 | rww | first step would be deleting /etc/X11/xorg.conf or moving it out of the way. You said it wouldn't boot with init=/bin/sh either though, so presumably it's breaking before Xorg gets involved |
| 05:25.24 | yano | hm |
| 05:25.45 | rww | I guess you could blacklist fglrx's kernel modules |
| 05:25.50 | rww | i have no idea what they're called though |
| 05:26.12 | yano | yea, though i'm curious if they are really called fglrx, especially after "experimental" line in the second gist i pasted |
| 05:26.28 | yano | lines 6 and 7 |
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| 05:29.21 | DanDare | yano, it worked for me in the past by just changing line 'Driver "fglrx"' to something else like 'Driver "vesa"' |
| 05:29.34 | DanDare | but its being a while since the last time i |
| 05:29.41 | DanDare | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.48 | yano | ah, hm |
| 05:30.09 | yano | whoa |
| 05:30.11 | yano | i got some success \o/ |
| 05:30.22 | yano | it's working \o/ |
| 05:30.26 | DanDare | :) |
| 05:30.30 | DanDare | yano, what you did ? |
| 05:30.44 | yano | i did, sudo mv /etc/x11/xorg.conf /etc/x11/xorg.conf.bak |
| 05:30.53 | yano | while in a chroot from a live cd |
| 05:31.15 | DanDare | nice deal |
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| 05:31.33 | yano | rww: thank you very much! \o/ |
| 05:31.37 | rww | yano: welcome |
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| 05:33.05 | DanDare | I dont have a "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" in wheezy. Where is it ? |
| 05:33.19 | DanDare | well, still Xfce4 just loads and all |
| 05:33.48 | rww | DanDare: Xorg does autodetection these days, so there isn't one by default |
| 05:34.08 | DanDare | I see, thanks |
| 05:34.55 | DanDare | video drivers are load as kernel modules ? |
| 05:35.40 | DanDare | well, nvm i guess. time to research on the innernets |
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| 05:38.08 | MrHatter | I just put a 3Tb drive into a Dell T7400 and the squeeze installer is showing 2.2Tb - the Dell BIOS shows 2Tb, anyone got any clues about this ? |
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| 05:39.56 | DanDare | MrHatter, BIOS not recognizing the disk size correctly ? |
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| 05:40.54 | DanDare | MrHatter, I guess its a matter to fix BIOS first than trying to fix linux. |
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| 05:54.36 | in2tactics | acpi |
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| 06:24.13 | PlastikSpork | Hello, I am trying to connect to my Laptop running Debian Squeeze with Teamviewer after a restart. My laptop is not set to automatically log in and therefore unable to connect to teamviewer. Is their a way to login through ssh or change my configuration to auto login through SSH? |
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| 06:34.15 | tobe1896 | the "new packages" rss feed for squeeze doesn't show any information. Works for sid. Any problems with this? |
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| 06:51.51 | dgriffi | can middle button problems on one mouse cause middle button problems on a known-good mouse also plugged into the same computer? |
| 06:52.16 | dgriffi | I have an aging Thinkpad T42 that has what I suspect is a dodgy internal mouse button |
| 06:53.13 | dgriffi | I plug in an external mouse and I get similar weirdness... like middle not registering.. or registering after a five or ten second delay.. also windows go unselected and I can't bring them up again. |
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| 06:59.50 | somiaj | dgriffi: my thoughts is if the issue is the middle mouse button is pressed down, it could cause weirdness elsewhere |
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| 07:00.10 | somiaj | you could try xev and see if the mouse is pressed down, or disable the first mouse |
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| 07:03.39 | dgriffi | somiaj: sometimes the middle presses register.. sometimes not |
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| 07:04.59 | dgriffi | middle clicks with the known-good mouse don't register at all with xev |
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| 07:07.31 | leehambley | I figure this kind of thing is always two way, we've clearly taken differnt approaches to learning, we'll both get something out of anything we talk about |
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| 07:09.29 | dgriffi | I'm about to pry up the middle button and rip out the actuator |
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| 07:11.13 | CruX| | hello i have 2 servers and i need to synchronize disks between these 2 machines, which filesystem can I use for this ? |
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| 07:12.06 | dgriffi | CruX|: have you looked at using rsync? |
| 07:12.41 | x10 | be more specific on your problem |
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| 07:13.41 | CruX| | dgriffi: i need to do that inside kernel |
| 07:13.58 | CruX| | 2 servers one is master and one backup |
| 07:14.23 | CruX| | backup becomes master if primary master fails |
| 07:14.45 | CruX| | I need to update backup server on the fly |
| 07:15.10 | CruX| | because if master fails i have no time for rsync |
| 07:15.32 | CruX| | now I'm using proprietary block device driver which is slow and unstable |
| 07:15.56 | in2tactics | CruX|: how are these two servers physically connected? |
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| 07:17.57 | CruX| | in2tactics: via ethernet |
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| 07:19.25 | in2tactics | CruX|: i'm just thinking that unless you are using something proprietary like vMotion from VMware you are not going to achieve anything close to a live mirror via ethernet |
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| 07:20.13 | in2tactics | well i guess that it is possible if you application is small. i am just used to mirrior very large enterprise servers |
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| 07:21.00 | x10 | what kind of data are we talking about? |
| 07:21.37 | x10 | ideally you want to solve it on a higher level than "block device" if possible |
| 07:22.17 | CruX| | x10: linux root filesystem |
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| 07:24.21 | in2tactics | CruX|: are your servers running bare-metal or are you using some sort of hypervisor? |
| 07:25.49 | CruX| | bare-metal |
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| 07:27.59 | x10 | drbd or solve it in your application / dbms if applicable |
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| 07:33.13 | x10 | have a look here: http://www.techrepublic.com/article/iscsi-on-the-cheap-turn-your-linux-server-into-an-iscsi-storage-target/5944108 |
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| 07:45.28 | nixbag | is Jessie gonna be using sysvinit? |
| 07:47.47 | Iridos | you'll see half a year before it releases |
| 07:48.17 | nixbag | i thought it was supposed to be 6 weeks? |
| 07:48.31 | Iridos | I mean half a year before jessie releases |
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| 07:50.25 | hero100 | 2013-02-17 Wheezy releases release candidate 1 (RC1) installer. Will Wheezy be released in stable quickly? Are you talking about this? |
| 07:52.02 | gnude | hi hero100 |
| 07:52.05 | gnude | good question |
| 07:52.09 | gnude | i am waiting for wheezy to |
| 07:52.15 | gnude | but i look at the rc bugs |
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| 07:52.34 | gnude | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 07:52.39 | gnude | at the moment 128 |
| 07:52.54 | gnude | i think this is too much for a "quick" release |
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| 07:54.25 | Iridos | hehe... Recent changes: 2 release-critical bugs were closed and 2 were opened. |
| 07:54.32 | Iridos | well, it's a step forward... kind of |
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| 07:55.55 | Iridos | well, the gedit one should be downgraded quickly |
| 07:56.15 | gnude | i follow this everyday |
| 07:56.52 | gnude | the good at debian is: no release date is given. so quality says when it is ready |
| 07:56.56 | Iridos | and that's considered to be fun? :) |
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| 07:57.13 | gnude | i love it. this makes debian to the best operating system i know. |
| 07:57.14 | gnude | but |
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| 07:58.14 | gnude | the big but: i am realy interested at the new release. i want wo use features of it on a new server. the hardware stand next to my workplace. but the new debian is not stable. it is a productive server, so testing is no solution for me. :-/ |
| 07:58.48 | Iridos | hehe... the gedit one is a non-bug, actually, I think. looks like he didn't give a new document a name, hence couldn't be saved.... |
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| 07:58.54 | y4h0 | what writes to auth.log ? |
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| 07:59.50 | y4h0 | my auth.log is empty i have perms set to 777, what writes to auth.log ? |
| 08:00.02 | Iridos | y4h0, depends... on my system it's configured in rsyslog |
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| 08:00.42 | y4h0 | i have it set like this auth.* -/var/log/auth.log |
| 08:01.10 | y4h0 | so the log is empty |
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| 08:01.55 | y4h0 | here are it's contents http://pastie.org/6468939 |
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| 08:07.28 | avi143 | hey frnds i am a nood, some body suggest me any solution! |
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| 08:08.15 | avi143 | i installe debian (chroot) in android mobile using complete linux installer app. bu i can not access mobile resources speakers etc. |
| 08:09.00 | avi143 | it just show debian@loxalhoast$ |
| 08:09.06 | ParkerR | avi143, Speakers and the android device's other hardware are not available to the chroot |
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| 08:09.26 | avi143 | and i want to access speakers an internet connection. |
| 08:09.37 | ParkerR | Internet should work |
| 08:09.46 | avi143 | thank you parkerR |
| 08:10.02 | avi143 | internet worked in terminal |
| 08:10.17 | avi143 | but not ib desktop view |
| 08:10.51 | avi143 | can i get su in chroot |
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| 08:11.47 | ParkerR | avi143, sudo command |
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| 08:11.54 | ParkerR | Then whatever password you set |
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| 08:15.33 | avi143 | i tried debian |
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| 08:15.55 | avi143 | password = debiab didnt worked |
| 08:16.35 | avi143 | at time of installing i entered password avinash that also didnt worjed |
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| 08:29.28 | Mohsen_Hassani | Is it a risk to upgrade my VPS from squeeze to wheezy? |
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| 08:33.26 | tralala | it always is |
| 08:34.19 | Mohsen_Hassani | tralala, thanks :) |
| 08:34.33 | Mohsen_Hassani | tralala, so I guess I just continue with my squeeze. |
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| 08:35.50 | tralala | this will become a risk at some point too - when security support is discontinued. Probably a couple of years from now. |
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| 08:37.39 | CruX| | can I use local file for root filesystem in User Mode Linux ? |
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| 08:41.02 | pats_Toms | hi, someone have any idea how to do wget from defined ip adress? |
| 08:41.17 | pats_Toms | I have vps with multiple ip's |
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| 08:41.42 | pats_Toms | is there any way to get wget working with defined one? |
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| 08:43.13 | et | --bind-address |
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| 08:45.42 | pats_Toms | thanks et |
| 08:45.56 | pats_Toms | but |
| 08:46.19 | pats_Toms | nothink, seems ok ;D |
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| 09:15.44 | local | hey there. Assume I want to make a directory only available to the owner. I could do "chmod -R 700 dirname" but this would set all files in the subdirs with +x flag (execution). I dont want this. I could use of course another command like "find /mydir/ -type d -exec chmod 700 {} +" and afterwards for the files "find /mydir/ -type f -exec chmod 600 {} +" |
| 09:16.01 | local | but is there a quicker and more comfortable solution to that? Maybe I can do that with chown somehow one one single line ?? |
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| 09:17.27 | b0lt | local: chown 700 dirname |
| 09:17.52 | ParkerR | local, What b0lt said |
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| 09:17.56 | local | b0lt: but that will only change the mode of "dirname". I want all all other subdirs changed to this mode, too |
| 09:18.01 | b0lt | local: why? |
| 09:18.08 | ParkerR | local, That prevents all other folder too |
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| 09:18.14 | ParkerR | *folder |
| 09:18.27 | b0lt | local: you need access down the entire tree to access a file |
| 09:18.34 | ParkerR | With chown 700 dirname only the user who owns that folder can make any moficiations anywhere within it |
| 09:18.38 | local | ? I just want to make ONE specific folde only accessible to the OWNER of this folder. Only HE should have FULL access to it |
| 09:18.55 | b0lt | local: that's what you'd get |
| 09:18.57 | local | but all the subdir, which are already in there, should take also mode 7 |
| 09:18.57 | ParkerR | local, Yes then chown 700 dirname will work fine |
| 09:19.16 | ParkerR | It even keeps other users from running ls |
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| 09:19.18 | local | No! It will change only the parent directory itself, but NOT the subdirs included there |
| 09:19.23 | b0lt | local: try it |
| 09:19.26 | ParkerR | Yes it does |
| 09:19.30 | local | are u kidding me? I know what chmod 700 does! |
| 09:19.40 | ParkerR | Try it |
| 09:19.45 | ParkerR | No -R |
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| 09:20.47 | local | ParkerR: aha, now you understand |
| 09:20.54 | b0lt | ? |
| 09:20.59 | local | of course I will need the -R to do it recursively |
| 09:21.04 | local | so .. back to my question |
| 09:21.06 | ParkerR | No |
| 09:21.07 | b0lt | local: no |
| 09:21.10 | ParkerR | Thats the point |
| 09:21.14 | local | ??? |
| 09:21.17 | b0lt | local: he said "no -R", meaning don't use -R |
| 09:21.30 | local | okok, lets begin from scratch |
| 09:21.33 | local | example: |
| 09:21.38 | b0lt | just try it already. chmod the folder, try accessing it as another user. it takes you less time than to write what you're about to |
| 09:21.46 | ParkerR | Running chmod 700 foldername will prevent users other than the owner to access ANYTHING under that folder |
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| 09:22.00 | ParkerR | Even subfolders |
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| 09:22.50 | local | ParkerR: of course, buT!!! listen --> I want to change the modes of ALL subfolders also to 700 |
| 09:22.50 | b0lt | local: why? |
| 09:22.50 | ParkerR | Theres no point |
| 09:22.50 | local | b0lt: because I want to! |
| 09:22.50 | local | damn it, are you kidding me? |
| 09:22.51 | b0lt | local: why do you want to? |
| 09:23.22 | local | because I have a directory /test and this directory contains 500.000 subfolders, which various modes . I want to put them all to 7 |
| 09:23.27 | b0lt | why? |
| 09:23.34 | local | oh my god |
| 09:24.16 | b0lt | local: find dirname -type d -exec chmod 700 '{}' \; |
| 09:24.20 | b0lt | local: now go learn about permissions |
| 09:24.44 | local | b0lt: very funny, I had written that just a few minutes before, and my question was, if theres somehow a way to do that in a one liner with chmod |
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| 09:24.52 | local | now go learn to read b0lt ! |
| 09:25.14 | b0lt | local: i'm not going to scroll up because you're unable to put your entire question and reason for that question on one line |
| 09:25.14 | local | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.18 | local | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.57 | local | 10:15 and 10:16, learn to read correct the lines ! |
| 09:25.57 | caf | if the directories are already 755 or similar and the files already 644 or similar, then you can just do: chmod -R g-rwx,o-rwx mydir |
| 09:26.18 | b0lt | local: and we said, multiple times, that to accomplish your stated goal, to "make a directory only available to the owner", just chmod that one directory to 700 |
| 09:26.20 | local | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.23 | b0lt | local: i suggest you try it |
| 09:26.24 | local | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.28 | b0lt | oh stop it |
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| 09:26.41 | local | just for you b0lt, cause you cannot read and put stupid answers! |
| 09:26.53 | b0lt | local: have you tried it yet? |
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| 09:27.00 | local | b0lt: go get some life |
| 09:27.02 | ParkerR | just walks away from this |
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| 09:27.24 | b0lt | local: stop |
| 09:27.57 | local | caf: thats a help, good point to start. Thank you pal. At least one guy who reads, understand and knows about what he's talking. Thank you mate |
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| 09:28.54 | b0lt | local: do you know that if a directory modded 700 has a subdirectory modded 777, a user who doesn't own the first directory can not touch the second one in any way? |
| 09:28.58 | babilen | Please relax, there is absolutely no need to escalate this discussion. AFAICT local's question has been answered even though it doesn't necessarily make sense to change the permissions recursively. |
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| 09:29.58 | local | b0lt: my question was not related if and how a user has permissions to do whatever, my question was how to change the modes recursively, but only applid to directories, NOT to files. |
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| 09:30.04 | local | babilen: I am as you see |
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| 09:30.32 | b0lt | local: no. you said you wanted to "make a directory only available to the owner" |
| 09:30.39 | b0lt | local: i told you how to do so |
| 09:30.47 | b0lt | local: i'm not going to bother with you anymore. bye. |
| 09:30.53 | local | thank you |
| 09:31.15 | local | caf: thanks again, I will build single-liner with that ... |
| 09:31.24 | local | good day to everyone, and good day also to you b0lt .. |
| 09:31.26 | local | relax |
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| 09:31.31 | b0lt | local: stop |
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| 09:33.22 | b0lt | he's going to run that one-liner of his in a cron job every minute, isn't he? in an attempt to keep his directories only readable to that user? |
| 09:33.24 | b0lt | sighs |
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| 09:34.29 | babilen | b0lt: It doesn't matter. I agree that this smells like a <xy problem>, but then … it might actually be that recursively changing permissions is *the goal* in itself :) |
| 09:34.32 | ParkerR | b0lt, You asked him to stop then you continued on. |
| 09:34.53 | b0lt | ParkerR: he left. so me continuing won't make him keep going :) |
| 09:35.01 | ParkerR | Oh heh |
| 09:35.01 | babilen | But lets please move on. There is no point to continue this meta discussion. |
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| 09:35.06 | ParkerR | Didn't see that |
| 09:35.10 | ParkerR | needs better IRC colors |
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| 09:36.03 | b0lt | babilen: this is true. i just have a feeling it wasn't the goal. which is why i kept asking "why". but fine :) |
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| 09:38.16 | ParkerR | b00b, Also fun fact. On kernel 3.3+ you can add a hidepid option to a proc line in /etc/fstab to disable users from using ps/top/htop to see processes of other users |
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| 09:43.11 | homes_ | not that i overly care |
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| 09:44.07 | ParkerR | homes_, http://www.linux-dev.org/2012/09/hide-process-information-for-other-users/ |
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| 10:17.10 | ksk | hey d3xter |
| 10:18.27 | d3xter | where can i specify the systemd action for power-button pressed e.g. |
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| 10:30.44 | babilen | jigal: http://www.directadmin.com/support.html |
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| 10:40.24 | d3xter | ksk: well, i've installed it and its running :) |
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| 10:40.43 | d3xter | ksk: just have to add a kernel parameter to use systemd instead of init-scripts |
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| 10:40.51 | d3xter | you just have to* |
| 10:40.59 | no_gravity | Good Morning Debian! I have a strange problem on a new server: I log in via ssh and use vim. Vim displays some lines twice. And when I move the cursor around, it changes the lines on screen. Any idea what that could be? |
| 10:41.27 | b0lt | no_gravity: bad terminal settings? |
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| 10:41.43 | b0lt | no_gravity: strange characters interpreted wrongly, perhaps |
| 10:41.49 | no_gravity | b0lt: i connect with this terminal to a ton of servers and have no problems. |
| 10:42.30 | no_gravity | b0lt: or do you mean something running on the server? |
| 10:42.38 | ksk | d3xter: ah okay thanks, found that wiki page |
| 10:42.48 | no_gravity | b0lt: echo $TERM says xterm. on the server. |
| 10:43.01 | no_gravity | b0lt: now im confused, what a terminal is! |
| 10:43.24 | b0lt | no_gravity: does this happen with any file? |
| 10:43.55 | no_gravity | b0lt: yes. im in screen, by the way. |
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| 10:45.08 | babilen | no_gravity: TERM should be "screen" in screen |
| 10:45.24 | b0lt | or screen.xterm |
| 10:45.49 | no_gravity | babilen: right! i exited screen when I tried echo $TERM. in screen it is screen. |
| 10:46.11 | b0lt | no_gravity: does it only happen in screen? |
| 10:46.15 | no_gravity | let me compare my vim and screen configs on different servers. |
| 10:46.18 | no_gravity | b0lt: yes, i think so. |
| 10:46.22 | babilen | .oO( What would I do for real information )_ |
| 10:46.29 | babilen | no_gravity: So this behaviour is specific to screen? |
| 10:46.34 | no_gravity | b0lt: maybe related to colors. |
| 10:46.43 | no_gravity | babilen: maybe. trying to figure it out. |
| 10:46.48 | babilen | please do |
| 10:47.02 | no_gravity | babilen: i havent seen the prob without screen yet. making more experiments right now. |
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| 10:47.24 | babilen | no_gravity: Haven't you been at this for days already? :) |
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| 10:48.01 | no_gravity | babilen: no, i started on this machine 10 mins ago. |
| 10:48.09 | babilen | hmm |
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| 10:48.58 | djp__ | trying to bring up my wifi connection. ifconfig -a shows wlan0. if i run ifconfig wlan0 up it returns "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 167". Any ideas? |
| 10:49.28 | babilen | no_gravity: Ok, I've heard about this problem before. What does "dpkg -l screen" give you on the remote host? |
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| 10:49.54 | babilen | djp__: wifi something error happens ... Which device is it? (lspci -nn|grep -i network) |
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| 10:51.30 | no_gravity | babilen: i disconnected already and pushed a ticket to my coder. |
| 10:51.59 | babilen | no_gravity: okay, then why ask here in the first place ? :) |
| 10:52.03 | djp__ | babilen: tried running lspci -nn|grep -i network but nothing is returned. just goes back to prompt |
| 10:52.21 | babilen | djp__: Is it a USB or a PCI connected adaptor? |
| 10:52.47 | djp__ | babilen: internal adapter so i presume pci |
| 10:53.16 | babilen | djp__: Ok, please paste the output of "lspci -nn" and "ifconfig -a" and "iwconfig" and "uname -a" to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 10:54.54 | no_gravity | babilen: firt i thought ill fix it myself. and i was curious. my curiousity went away when i realised "ah, probably some screen or terminal setting". thanks for the infos! |
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| 10:58.08 | babilen | djp__: ping? |
| 10:58.09 | djp__ | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/241412/ lspci -nn |
| 10:58.29 | babilen | Just paste them all into a single pastebing please ... |
| 10:58.33 | djp__ | babilen: apologies, machine with issue has no network connection |
| 10:58.37 | babilen | (and append to it :) |
| 10:58.57 | babilen | That way all information is in a single place and I don't have to open 15 tabs :-D |
| 10:58.57 | djp__ | babilen: ok, will do. not so easy though. i'll get there ;) |
| 10:59.04 | babilen | Why is it not easy? |
| 10:59.23 | djp__ | babilen: machine has no network connection |
| 10:59.31 | babilen | Why didn't you say so? :) |
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| 10:59.51 | djp__ | babilen: i did ^^^ :) |
| 10:59.52 | babilen | Ok, stop pasting. I will ask more specific questions from now on. |
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| 11:00.15 | babilen | djp__: You did? I must have missed that. |
| 11:00.22 | djp__ | babilen: np |
| 11:00.40 | djp__ | babilen: i can do it, don't worry. it won't take me too long. |
| 11:00.44 | babilen | I simply thought that your wireless connection is not working. I didn't realise that you had no connection at all. |
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| 11:01.36 | djp__ | babilen: :) np. i'm using another machine for this irc session |
| 11:01.56 | babilen | djp__: Ok, I don't see the device. Do you have further information about this hardware? Is the wifi adaptor listed in "lsusb" ? |
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| 11:02.11 | babilen | djp__: Which version of Debian do you use and do you know the name of the adaptor? |
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| 11:03.54 | babilen | Is this some weird yeelong notebook? |
| 11:04.08 | djp__ | babilen: debian mips |
| 11:04.12 | djp__ | babilen: yes |
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| 11:04.48 | djp__ | babilen: i have the info pasted into pastebin now... posting now |
| 11:04.54 | babilen | okay, I guess that you can figure out which wifi adaptor is in there. Which /version/ of Debian do you use? |
| 11:05.04 | babilen | Which yeelong is it exactly? |
| 11:05.24 | babilen | But I'll have to leave now for a little while (thought this is going to be much faster) :) |
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| 11:05.32 | no_gravity | Is there an estamination, when debian 7 will come out? |
| 11:05.43 | djp__ | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/241413 |
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| 11:06.01 | djp__ | babilen: it's the 8089 |
| 11:06.16 | babilen | Ah, thank you (yay!) |
| 11:06.27 | babilen | djp__: You should mention important bits like this every time |
| 11:06.37 | djp__ | babilen: ah, sorry |
| 11:06.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell djp__ -about Rtl8187B |
| 11:06.48 | babilen | dpkg: Also: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 11:06.49 | dpkg | babilen: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 11:06.53 | babilen | *sigh8 |
| 11:06.57 | babilen | djp__: ^^ |
| 11:07.31 | djp__ | babilen: debian wheezy |
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| 11:07.35 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 11:08.19 | Agiofws | when i right click on a compressed file format i usually had an option to unpack the file now this option is gone in wheezy does anyone know what i should install or look into ? |
| 11:09.14 | babilen | djp__: I think this is a USB device. Is it listed in "lsusb" ? (in particular something like "USB: 0BDA:8197 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187B Wireless Adapter" ? (the usbid might differ a little) |
| 11:09.15 | b0lt | Agiofws: that depends entirely on which program you're right clicking on it in. not everyone uses your desktop environment :) |
| 11:09.42 | Agiofws | gnome 3.0 ? |
| 11:09.45 | djp__ | babilen: ah, i see. though the device is fitted internally |
| 11:09.47 | Agiofws | 3.4 i think |
| 11:09.52 | babilen | djp__: So it is listed? |
| 11:10.01 | Agiofws | usually in its file manager |
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| 11:10.31 | djp__ | babilen: lsusb says command not found |
| 11:10.50 | Agiofws | look @ www.imagebin.org/250078 |
| 11:11.18 | babilen | djp__: You probably don't have usbutils installed ... |
| 11:11.33 | babilen | djp__: Is the rtl8187 module loaded? |
| 11:11.42 | djp__ | babilen: installing now |
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| 11:12.48 | djp__ | babilen: yes listed |
| 11:12.53 | babilen | djp__: Ok, have to leave. I would continue with: Make sure the device is listed in lsusb then check "modinfo rtl8187" if that module does actually support your specific card. If it does, reload the module with "modprobe -r rtl8187 ; modprobe rtl8187" and check the result of that with "dmesg|tail -n 23" |
| 11:13.20 | djp__ | babilen: bus 002 device 003 |
| 11:13.39 | babilen | djp__: If that doesn't result in an error: Yay! If the module wasn't loaded in the first place (check that first!) and the device works now (after loading the module) you probably just have to add rtl8187 to /etc/modules |
| 11:13.42 | djp__ | babilen: ok will do |
| 11:13.59 | djp__ | babilen: thanks |
| 11:15.00 | no_gravity | Anybody here using EC2 micro instances? |
| 11:15.13 | babilen | djp__: If that still doesn't work: Investigate further! It /might/ be that your device has a hardware and/or software kill switch that is triggered. To check that install rfkill and run "rfkill list" ... If it is indeed soft killed run "rfkill unblock all" (or unblock specific devices) which should enable the device. If you have a hardware kill switch you /have/ to switch it manually. |
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| 11:16.37 | babilen | djp__: That are the "normal" debug steps that pop into my mind immediately. Check the status at every stage with "ifconfig -a", "iwconfig" and "ifconfig wlan0 up" (or down) ... |
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| 11:17.17 | djp__ | babilen: thanks for all the advice |
| 11:17.32 | babilen | djp__: Good luck! :) |
| 11:17.33 | djp__ | babilen: trying out what you've posted now :) |
| 11:17.43 | djp__ | babilen: thanks! |
| 11:17.48 | babilen | djp__: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
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| 11:29.51 | Jarris | using a keyfile to decrypt a luks partition, the volum group now stayes inactive and boot stucks... how to auto activate this VG at boot? |
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| 11:42.28 | ChrisH | Jarris: a coworker did such a setup, keyfile on USB Stick and it works. I currently cannot access the host as I forgot the hostname |
| 11:43.01 | babilen | heh |
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| 11:44.11 | Jarris | ChrisH: are there also lvm partitions on the encryptet partitions? |
| 11:45.38 | ChrisH | Jarris: sure... I/We do not use anything else. |
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| 11:48.43 | pats_Toms | somoone know any way to read big xml files on linux? |
| 11:48.54 | pats_Toms | I mean - something that makes that xml readable... |
| 11:49.36 | Jarris | ChrisH: than it would be very interesting how u got this working :) |
| 11:50.08 | babilen | djp__: Any progress? |
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| 11:51.08 | a7x | hi, to install wheezy it's better to install stable and then upgrade or install directly the weekly release? |
| 11:51.57 | babilen | a7x: neither |
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| 11:52.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell a7x -about install wheezy |
| 11:52.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell a7x -about firmware images wheezy |
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| 11:52.51 | babilen | a7x: I would recommend to use the RC1 installer. You can use the netinstall one with firmware if you have a working internet connection during the installation. Do you know which desktop environment (if any) you would like to use? |
| 11:53.22 | a7x | sure, gnome 3 |
| 11:53.24 | djp__ | babilen: great, you're still about. yes, thanks. working. |
| 11:53.33 | babilen | djp__: What was it? |
| 11:54.17 | djp__ | babilen: though i'm not sure what's wrong. it seems i have to manually press the fn/wifi keys on the yeeloong before starting my wifi connection |
| 11:54.35 | babilen | a7x: Ok, in that case you don't have to do anything special. Simply install the Desktop task (if you want the complete Gnome desktop environment) during the initial installation. If you want a more minimal selection see "/msg dpgk install gnome" for a short overview of the available metapackages. (they changed a little in wheezy though) |
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| 11:54.52 | djp__ | babilen: if i don't i get the original unknown error 167 |
| 11:54.55 | babilen | djp__: So it is/was soft blocked? |
| 11:55.22 | a7x | babilen, i just hope it will work with an usb installer since i tried a weekly release and didn't work at all |
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| 11:55.33 | ChrisH | Jarris: I did some quick checks, as I did not did the setup. but http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/W1EXazCGoKKqjzGdQGno looks like its done |
| 11:55.48 | djp__ | babilen: but by physically using the keyboard keys to activate wifi, then attempting to bring up wifi, all works |
| 11:55.50 | babilen | a7x: Plenty of people used the RC1 and installed from USB. When did you try the weekly and what /exactly/ didn't work? |
| 11:56.07 | Jarris | ChrisH: i will have a look |
| 11:56.18 | babilen | djp__: So the device is listed as blocked in "rfkill list" ? |
| 11:56.23 | djp__ | babilen: i gather, though when i tested that as you advised it reported no |
| 11:56.37 | a7x | OS not found/ i actually never was able to see a debian logo or anything like that babilen, tried unetbootin imagewriter and liveusbinstaller |
| 11:56.39 | babilen | before or after you pressed the button? |
| 11:57.15 | babilen | a7x: unetbootin is not supported (or recommended). The primary reason for that is that it simply doesn't work and produces garbage. |
| 11:57.20 | djp__ | babilen: before |
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| 11:57.46 | a7x | babilen, i guessed so, that's why i tried two more |
| 11:58.13 | ChrisH | Jarris: just saw its, wheezy |
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| 11:58.21 | babilen | a7x: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/ch04s03.html.en -- On which platform are you creating the USB stick? |
| 11:58.26 | a7x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:58.32 | djp__ | babilen: though i'm going to re-test that... i've been attempting so many things i'm not 100% confident... |
| 11:58.37 | a7x | thanks babilen, i used dpkg to check for the link : |
| 11:58.38 | a7x | :D |
| 11:58.38 | babilen | a7x: So you are on windows? |
| 11:58.44 | a7x | yes |
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| 11:59.21 | ChrisH | Jarris: IIRC he did initally setup using a passphrase with installer and then migrated/added the keyfile in /boot and then moved it onto the USB connected storage |
| 11:59.39 | babilen | a7x: It /might/ be that win32diskwriter is no longer working as expected. :-/ -- That would essentially mean that Windows user have no way to create a usable USB stick ... If /that/ doesn't work you might want to try burning a CD. |
| 12:00.24 | djp__ | babilen: aha! yes... rfkill list reports soft blocked: yes hard blocked: no |
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| 12:00.43 | djp__ | babilen: so it was/is soft blocked |
| 12:00.50 | babilen | a7x: It used to work (and I haven't heard anything to the contrary) fine up until now and you should be able to simply write the image to the stick with it. (IIRC you had to rename the .iso to .img as Windows is a bit anal about file extensions, but that might have been a bug in an earlier version) |
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| 12:01.09 | a7x | let's just check then, badiane |
| 12:01.10 | a7x | babilen* |
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| 12:01.23 | babilen | djp__: There you go ... There might be a way to get it into the "unblocked" state when you start, but at least you understand what is going on now. |
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| 12:01.42 | Jarris | ChrisH: my problem is not the decryption it self, both of my disks become decrypted but the VG located on the second disk is inactiv while booting and so mount fails... |
| 12:01.51 | djp__ | babilen: so i would need to manually switch my keyboard each time i wanted to access wifi, correct? |
| 12:02.29 | djp__ | babilen: yes, sure. thanks to you. i appreciate all your patience and hard effort in helping me today. |
| 12:02.29 | fahi | Hi, I'm packaging a package that uses autotools. I'm wondering if it is better to base the package on a tarball that includes the autogenerated scripts (configure, Makefiles, ...) or just work on a git archive that does not include these files and use dh $@ --with autoreconf in debian/rules. Any recommendations? |
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| 12:02.45 | babilen | djp__: You can run "rfkill unblock all" /or/ figure out a way to have the device unblocked when you start. I am not that familiar with this module, but there might be a way. Unblocking it with rfkill before restarting (or something like that) might also influence the behaviour. |
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| 12:03.20 | babilen | djp__: Maybe it even behaves like that (Hey, I am unblocked now, I better stay that way") already? |
| 12:03.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell fahi -about mentors |
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| 12:04.26 | babilen | fahi: I think the latter is preferred, but lets take it to -mentors |
| 12:04.38 | djp__ | babilen: i'll test that... |
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| 12:05.24 | babilen | fahi: Wait, but doing the latter wouldn't allow you to use the tarball? How about packaging the tarball and /then/ simply generating it during the build (essentially not using the pregenerated ones?) |
| 12:06.47 | fahi | babilen: I am actually upstream and I was not intending to release a tarball made by "make distcheck". Instead, I would just use the github archive from a tag. |
| 12:07.27 | babilen | fahi: Lets take it to -mentors .. You might also be interested in http://wiki.debian.org/UpstreamGuide |
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| 12:08.57 | Torrian | hello, i have trouble with debian and scsi raid with this infamous aic-7902B raid controller. I have successfull instal debian on the raid but when i install the raid manager (adaptec raid manager or ibm raid manager or all CLI for this card) it says that there is no controller on the system. This is weird because when i type lspci -v i clearly can see the adapter. It is now 4 days i crawl the web without finding a solution. Please g |
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| 12:10.01 | djp__ | babilen: it seems to reset itself to soft blocked: yes on reboot |
| 12:10.51 | richard_ | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 12:11.13 | babilen | djp__: bloody bastard! |
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| 12:12.03 | babilen | djp__: ... have to run now. Maybe there is a way to convince it to /not/ do that. |
| 12:12.38 | djp__ | babilen: sure. anyway. wifi is working at least. thanks again for everything! :) |
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| 12:24.01 | ChrisH | Jarris: then you need to modify initrd to activate all VGs during boot. |
| 12:24.32 | Jarris | ChrisH: and how? |
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| 12:29.04 | thanasisk | is there a way to have tomcat7 on debian squeeze via apt-get ? |
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| 12:30.09 | ChrisH | Jarris: I does automagically for me. |
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| 12:31.21 | dawud | thanasisk: yes, backporting, i.e. adding a deb-src line pointing to wheezy, apt-get source tomcat7; apt-get build-dep tomcat7; cd tomcat7; debuild -us -uc. You need build-essentials and devscripts |
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| 12:32.36 | Jarris | ChrisH: u mean like update-initramfs -u ? did that.. not fixing my problem |
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| 12:34.31 | pav5088 | I'm using some software which depends on tftpd... the only thing is I want to use an alternative tftpd (atftpd). I think this could be classified as a dependency bug, but where does the problem lie? Should alternative tftpd packages have a "provides tftpd", or should each package that depends on a tftpd also include alternatives such as atftpd and tftpd-hpa? |
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| 12:52.39 | a7x | well babilen, nothing worked from usb except the unofficial netinst image |
| 12:53.13 | a7x | but it's bugged ( the partition manager doesn't see 50GB of unallocated space on my hd) |
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| 13:03.49 | tapas | hi.. is the debian new maintainers guide the ultimate place to start reading if we want to provide debian packages just for a local installation? |
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| 13:05.43 | no_gravity | Hello! How is the path called that gets searched when you type the name of an executable in bash? |
| 13:05.58 | tapas | no_gravity: it's called the "path" |
| 13:06.05 | felipe | $PATH |
| 13:06.08 | tapas | no_gravity: it's stored in the environment variable PATH |
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| 13:06.49 | no_gravity | tapas: ah! so you say "make sure xyz is in you $PATH" when you want to tell somebody that he has to have xyz? |
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| 13:07.38 | tapas | no_gravity: that means that xyz should be part of the contents of PATH.. here's an example: /usr/bin:xyz:/my/super/awesome/directory |
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| 13:07.51 | Ristovski | can I compile the "linux-source-3.2" to get the latest source? or do I need to get the exact version I have and compile it? |
| 13:08.09 | tapas | with $PATH you reference the value of the environment variable.. |
| 13:08.22 | tapas | with PATH you reference the variable itself.. here's an example: |
| 13:08.47 | tapas | export PATH=/usr/local/bin:xzy:"$PATH" |
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| 13:12.18 | penguin1 | hi |
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| 13:12.54 | penguin1 | Debian Installer = Linux kernel + some kernel modules + installer menu + scripts in userspace + apt, right? |
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| 13:13.02 | no_gravity | tapas: yes |
| 13:13.10 | penguin1 | Is for a debian installation theoretically only apt necessary? |
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| 13:14.14 | Ristovski | tapas: using debian wheezy, does the linux-source-3.2 kernel work? |
| 13:14.34 | tapas | Ristovski: how should i know? :D |
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| 13:14.44 | Ristovski | ... |
| 13:14.47 | penguin1 | anyone? |
| 13:14.53 | Ristovski | well, I dont want to bork my system |
| 13:15.21 | tapas | Ristovski: afair you can just get a kernel source package and build and install it |
| 13:15.31 | tapas | Ristovski: the specifics evade me at the moment though.. |
| 13:15.50 | Ristovski | tapas: I dont want the latest kernel, since its not in the repos |
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| 13:16.11 | Ristovski | which means it probably doesnt work |
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| 13:16.39 | tapas | it might just mean that noone has gotten around to create the package, test it, and ship it to the repos.. |
| 13:16.50 | waynr | Ristovski: installing the 3.2 kernel should not bork your system as long as you don't uninstall the current kernel |
| 13:17.06 | Ristovski | waynr: if it doesnt do that automatically, i wont |
| 13:17.14 | waynr | Ristovski: if you are using grub, you will simply have multiple entries in your grub boot menu which allow you to select hich kernel to boot with |
| 13:17.38 | tapas | penguin1: note: you will also need a way to install the boot loader |
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| 13:17.41 | Ristovski | waynr: I mean, I have "3.2.0-4-amd64" but no idea what the one is, since its only "3.2" |
| 13:17.43 | mallxs | penguin1: yes but it is all on de net install |
| 13:17.45 | tapas | penguin1: configure partitions, format them, etc.. |
| 13:17.51 | waynr | if the 3.2 kernel doesn't work then go ahead with the previous version :1~ |
| 13:18.05 | waynr | Ristovski: hmm, not sure i understood your last message |
| 13:18.07 | tapas | penguin1: create fstab and other support files in /etc/. i reckon it's a bit more complicated than just running apt ;D |
| 13:18.11 | Ristovski | waynr: ok, just move config to .config and "make oldconfig" ? |
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| 13:18.39 | penguin1 | tapas: so the really task of installer is to bootstrap dpkg/apt, right? |
| 13:18.44 | tapas | penguin1: debootstrap might be interesting for you, too |
| 13:18.50 | Ristovski | waynr: I currently run "3.2.0-4-amd64", but the source package for the one I want to compile is just "3.2" |
| 13:18.56 | penguin1 | tapas: debootstrap can install a complete debian system? |
| 13:19.01 | tapas | penguin1: and setup partitions, network configuration, hostname, all kinds of stuff in /etc/ |
| 13:19.13 | penguin1 | tapas: so debian also got a configuration tool? |
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| 13:19.23 | penguin1 | tapas: or are those configs generated by scripts / hardcoded? |
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| 13:19.33 | waynr | Ristovski: why do you want to compile another 3.2 kernel if you already have one installed? just for the hell of it? |
| 13:19.35 | tapas | penguin1: the installer does this initial configuration i think.. |
| 13:19.40 | Ristovski | waynr: yup |
| 13:19.46 | tapas | penguin1: i never looked at it in detail.. writing a good installer is a hell of a task |
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| 13:20.10 | Torrian | hello, i have trouble with debian and scsi raid with this infamous aic-7902B raid controller. I have successfull instal debian on the raid but when i install the raid manager (adaptec raid manager or ibm raid manager or all CLI for this card) it says that there is no controller on the system. This is weird because when i type lspci -v i clearly can see the adapter. It is now 4 days i crawl the web without finding a solution. Please g |
| 13:20.22 | Ristovski | waynr: is this right: move /boot/config* to kernels source dir as .config, and "make menuconfig" ? |
| 13:20.23 | Ristovski | I mean, oldconfig |
| 13:20.30 | penguin1 | tapas: all necessary apt packages are hosted on a local network server. I need a maximal minimum debian installer, as little and minimal as only possible. |
| 13:20.36 | penguin1 | tapas: what installer is suited for this task? |
| 13:20.38 | waynr | Ristovski: yeah, give that a try |
| 13:20.42 | Ristovski | ok |
| 13:20.56 | penguin1 | tapas: is the net install such a thing? |
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| 13:21.30 | tapas | penguin1: i guess it's as close as you can come to a minimal installer without writing your own.. i'm a bit out of the debian loop though for a while now.. |
| 13:21.36 | Ristovski | waynr: do I need ".config-3.2.0-4-amd64" or just .config? |
| 13:22.09 | tapas | penguin1: if you have a network, there are other options, too, though.. E.g. booting the whole system from the network and having the / filesystem served from e.g. NFS |
| 13:22.21 | waynr | Ristovski: probably go with the more specific one |
| 13:22.21 | tapas | penguin1: this needs support from the NIC though.. |
| 13:22.34 | tapas | penguin1: what's the ultimate goal here? |
| 13:22.39 | mallxs | penguin1: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
| 13:22.44 | Ristovski | waynr: the tut im reading says just a .config file |
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| 13:22.52 | penguin1 | tapas: this is the point! I already provision over PXE. PXELinux chainloads the debian installer. I want that the debian installer loads all necessary stuff over NFS from a network server. |
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| 13:23.40 | waynr | Ristovski: i don't think it matters very much but go with whatever the tutorial tells you...i am about to leave for work so will be afk for a bit, but if you PM me i can help some more once i am there |
| 13:23.47 | tapas | penguin1: the link mallxs provided has some pointers.. |
| 13:23.53 | Ristovski | ok |
| 13:23.55 | mallxs | penguin1: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#netboot |
| 13:23.57 | Ristovski | thanks! |
| 13:24.04 | Nik05 | more people haveing problems with http.debian.net ? |
| 13:24.06 | penguin1 | tapas: what me really interests is, what the Debian Netinstaller differentiates from the other installers. Does it contain some special stuff? |
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| 13:24.41 | tapas | penguin1: i never used it.. |
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| 13:25.29 | penguin1 | tapas: could I use also use another Debian Installer over PXE? |
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| 13:25.40 | penguin1 | tapas: Can I use any installer for PXE? When pxelinux chainloads it? |
| 13:25.43 | tapas | penguin1: i don't know.. read up on it a bit. |
| 13:26.17 | tapas | i just remember that we had a setup like this at my last workplace at a uni.. |
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| 13:26.39 | mallxs | penguin1: the diff is form where the files are loaded .. if you have install from the netinstall then most of the base config files are already downloaded sheap (torrent) and the rest goes by ftp .. |
| 13:27.31 | pav5088 | penguin1, have you looked into FAI? |
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| 13:28.03 | chipotle | i'm trying to install findutils and i get this error, E: Wow, you exceeded the number of versions this APT is capable of. E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/debian.lcs. mit.edu_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 13:28.05 | chipotle | any ideas? |
| 13:28.11 | chipotle | i've never seen this before |
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| 13:29.12 | pav5088 | penguin1, I've used FAI to install debian via PXE in the past, and at the moment I'm looking into using Fusion Directory to graphically control installing both windows (via OPSI) and Debian (via FAI) systems. |
| 13:30.01 | invariant | If I have a core file, how do I install all the source code, debugging symbols, in order to be able to navigate the source code associated with a backtrace in gdb? |
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| 13:30.23 | stew | penguin1: the netinst installer is no different than the other installers. the only differences are what else is contained on the cd. for the netinst, the stuff contained on the cd is the base install, which is exactly the set of stuff you need to get a complete debian installation without needing a network |
| 13:30.29 | invariant | In Fedora, I think you are asked while in gdb to automatically download those. |
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| 13:30.36 | invariant | How do Debian developers do that? |
| 13:30.46 | pav5088 | penguin1, Fusion Directory is just a web GUI for controlling a network infrastructure (controlled via LDAP and RPC). |
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| 13:32.11 | penguin1 | mallxs: but I could also use the minimal installer and it would download all necessary stuff over ftp, too, right? |
| 13:32.24 | penguin1 | fai = amalgam for dhcpd, tftpd? |
| 13:32.28 | penguin1 | like cobbler? |
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| 13:33.19 | stew | penguin1: the minimal installer meaning the businesscard? there is no reason to use that installer (unless you happen to actually be targeting tiny CDs which I've never actually seen blanks of) |
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| 13:34.14 | stew | but yes, the businesscard installer can download the base packages via ftp or http |
| 13:34.26 | ubuntu_1 | lol |
| 13:34.39 | stew | the problem is that when you restart the installer for whatever reason, it downloads them again. the netinst already has evertying that must be downloaded |
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| 13:34.52 | ubuntu_1 | Is debian strictly free software? |
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| 13:35.07 | stew | ubuntu_1: that is the goal |
| 13:35.24 | stew | !dfsg |
| 13:35.24 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 13:35.36 | ubuntu_1 | What about the kernel? |
| 13:35.57 | stew | yes, the debian kernel has been stripped of the non-free software |
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| 13:37.24 | ubuntu_1 | ok well I guess I will try it |
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| 13:37.49 | ubuntu_1 | this looks like the place to be |
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| 13:38.28 | ubuntu_1 | I know there has been some security holes in the past is the debian team tight knit? |
| 13:38.51 | stew | I'm not sure how one would measure that |
| 13:39.01 | jelly | secuirty holes happen all the time; response and fix time is what's interesting |
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| 13:39.08 | stew | there have been security holes in every operating system |
| 13:39.18 | b0lt | no! cp/m is safe! |
| 13:39.25 | ubuntu_1 | I know there was a problem with the randomization which made all the crypto produced from debian vulnerable |
| 13:39.48 | deepy | Wasn't that ages ago? |
| 13:40.02 | b0lt | didn't have a beard at that time... |
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| 13:40.30 | stew | ubuntu_1: that's not very accurate |
| 13:40.38 | jelly | b0lt: really? Have you tried using a serial line and telling it to +++ATH0\n? |
| 13:41.08 | b0lt | jelly: physical access voids most security measures though :) |
| 13:41.29 | deepy | That's not a security hole, that's an undocumented feature |
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| 13:43.19 | ubuntu_1 | b0lt: thats what underground compounds are for |
| 13:43.24 | jelly | b0lt: connect to my remote dial-in and the remote side will to the thing |
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| 13:43.50 | ubuntu_1 | is anyone here a beleiver in Jesus Christ? |
| 13:44.00 | b0lt | probably |
| 13:44.09 | b0lt | no need for a poll though |
| 13:44.24 | ubuntu_1 | I am looking for someone to team up with |
| 13:45.03 | b0lt | points to #debian-offtopic |
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| 13:46.13 | hellyeah | i dont have a sound on my debian pls help |
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| 13:47.43 | Towzzer | if you want to believe in jesus type apt-get install --yes jesus_christ |
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| 13:49.52 | jelly | Towzzer: let's not go there kk |
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| 13:51.19 | Towzzer | jelly- I just had to respond to ubuntu_1 |
| 13:51.20 | Towzzer | sorry |
| 13:51.28 | hellyeah | there is no sound really ??? |
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| 13:51.59 | ksk | !ask hellyeah |
| 13:52.12 | ksk | hum.. what was the trigger again.. |
| 13:52.31 | hellyeah | there is no sound in debian what could be the possible reason? |
| 13:52.31 | ksk | !tell hellyeah about ask |
| 13:52.31 | b0lt | hellyeah: debian supports quite a lot of different sound setups, but to get an answer you would need to provide a lot more information about your particular problem. |
| 13:52.32 | stew | ksk: alsa checklist |
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| 13:52.37 | penguin1 | OK, I downloaded the business card installer (only 50 mb, nice) |
| 13:52.52 | penguin1 | it also contains an autorun and exe with welcome screen, I don't need this crap |
| 13:52.54 | b0lt | !tell hellyeah about alsa checklist |
| 13:52.59 | penguin1 | is there also a more stripped down version of it? |
| 13:53.00 | b0lt | hellyeah: check your messages from "dpkg" |
| 13:53.03 | stew | penguin1: yeah, that's the one I was saying there is no good reason to use |
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| 13:53.58 | stew | penguin1: with the businesscard, it boots and then downloads everythign that is on the netinst that isn't on the businesscard, so there is no reason to choose the businesscard over the netinst, unless you are targetting install media which actually cannot hold more than 50mb |
| 13:54.04 | dutchfish | hi, how can i find out which mirror aptitude took from the pool on debian/wheezy on update? |
| 13:54.14 | stew | i really wish we would stop distributing the businesscard |
| 13:54.26 | jelly | dutchfish: pool? |
| 13:54.31 | b0lt | dutchfish: apt-cache policy <package> maybe? |
| 13:54.35 | b0lt | dutchfish: not sure what you're asking |
| 13:54.47 | stew | dutchfish: it should say during the update, otherwise you cannot know |
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| 13:55.01 | stew | there is no way to find out after the fact |
| 13:55.04 | dutchfish | stew, so you sure it is not logged? |
| 13:55.07 | stew | dutchfish: yes |
| 13:55.14 | dutchfish | stew, thank you. |
| 13:55.19 | jelly | dutchfish: dns resolver takes whatever you got configured; the log unfortunately does not contain the used resolver result |
| 13:55.29 | jelly | file a wishlist bug! |
| 13:55.54 | dutchfish | jelly, no, my proxy does already, but others might ask the same q. |
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| 13:57.46 | jelly | others will get the same snarky answer, then |
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| 14:01.07 | no_gravity | Hello! When logging into my servers I often get a "System Restart Required" message. Is there a way to see why? |
| 14:01.30 | stew | no_gravity: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:01.32 | TheWarden | Hi, anyone in here ever had to add a bunch of iptables rules when using Samba 4 on Debian Squeeze by chance? See bottom of post, http://opentodo.net/2013/01/samba4-as-ad-domain-controller-on-centos-6/. |
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| 14:02.40 | no_gravity | stew: 3.2.24-something. ("something" being the customized kernel on that machine) |
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| 14:03.07 | Logos01 | Howdy folks. I am trying to set up apt-mirror to synch the debian repositories locally... for some reason it looks like none of the packages are located at ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/ (both to the script and when I navigate). I've tried w/ both ftp:// and http:// ... what am I missing? |
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| 14:03.12 | stew | people should use somethign more descriptive than "something" |
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| 14:04.25 | b0lt | stew: it helps when you name your kernel after your girlfriend, or something embarassing :) |
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| 14:05.38 | penguin1 | stew: the debian installer should use a proxy which holds all necessary packages in a local network. |
| 14:06.04 | penguin1 | stew: apt-cacher-ng / squid. It is tested with normal apt. I don't know if one can also assign a proxy to the debian installer |
| 14:06.21 | stew | yes, it asks you for a proxy during the netword setup |
| 14:06.26 | no_gravity | stew: well its a custom kernel of a specific company. |
| 14:06.53 | stew | no_gravity: if a company gave me a kernel that was named "-something" i'd question if they knew what they were doing |
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| 14:07.24 | no_gravity | stew: its not literally "something" |
| 14:08.05 | waynr | looks like "something" was used as a meta syntactic variable |
| 14:08.19 | felipe | way to not answer his actual question |
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| 14:08.34 | stew | ah, we're playing a guessing game |
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| 14:08.58 | penguin1 | stew: so I can use the business card and it will download everything from the proxy server on local network |
| 14:09.14 | penguin1 | stew: now I want to let pxelinux chainload the debian installer from the business card |
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| 14:09.25 | penguin1 | stew: so I extracted the contents of iso |
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| 14:09.40 | penguin1 | stew: there is crap like windows welcome exe and autorun.inf, I want to clean it up |
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| 14:10.36 | waynr | no_gravity: to address your original question about "System Restart Required", I see that on an Ubuntu 12.04 LTS server that I have |
| 14:10.46 | Logos01 | penguin1: Just because it has a *.exe or *.inf doesn't necessarily mean it's a Windows thing. |
| 14:10.52 | stew | yeah, i was assuming that he's not actually running debian |
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| 14:11.08 | stew | perhaps that is part of why he is playing guessing games |
| 14:11.14 | Logos01 | (DOS used/uses *.exe/*.inf as well) |
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| 14:11.36 | no_gravity | stew: i know that you have been guessing that. |
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| 14:11.58 | no_gravity | stew: i never give out server specific data on irc |
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| 14:12.18 | no_gravity | stew: and since that kernel is just used by one company, im not pasting it here. |
| 14:12.19 | stew | no_gravity: that's a terrible way to get help with server specific questions |
| 14:12.30 | no_gravity | stew: i rebooted that fucking machine now :) |
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| 14:13.41 | no_gravity | stew: i got helpful answers from another channel. for example to check the running kernel verses the installed one to see if its due to a kernel update. |
| 14:13.43 | waynr | no_gravity: do you still get the "System Restart Required" in /etc/motd? |
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| 14:14.10 | no_gravity | waynr: no |
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| 14:14.24 | stew | no_gravity: yes, that was my goal, to check running kernel versus installed, but when you wouldn't tell us the version of the running kernel I gave up |
| 14:14.47 | no_gravity | stew: i gave you enough to know that its based on 3.2.24 |
| 14:15.08 | no_gravity | anyhow. everything is fine now. |
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| 14:15.15 | stew | no_gravity: what operating system are you running? |
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| 14:15.27 | no_gravity | stew: its customized shit. |
| 14:15.49 | stew | which operating is this shit based on |
| 14:15.55 | stew | operating system* |
| 14:16.03 | no_gravity | stew: debian |
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| 14:17.00 | b0lt | no_gravity: cat /etc/issue.net |
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| 14:17.16 | jhutchins_wk | stew: As in "ubuntu is based on debian". |
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| 14:17.47 | no_gravity | b0lt: customized shit GNU/LINUX 18.4.21 |
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| 14:18.51 | Iridos | am I glad that's not my machine... |
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| 14:20.10 | inics | Maybe someone can help me a little bit with VBA(Visual Basic in excel) of course who understand it :)))) |
| 14:20.42 | Iridos | blinks |
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| 14:21.18 | no_gravity | where is that inics guy now? i got a customized debian distro that is entirely based on visual basic! |
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| 14:21.58 | b0lt | points to #debian-offtopic again |
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| 14:31.13 | flomax | Is it possible to have a Windows PC with wifi card, to share its internet via ethernet cable to a debian box ? |
| 14:31.34 | et | why wouldn't it be |
| 14:31.42 | uberushaximus | yes, or even the other way around too |
| 14:31.55 | et | it's a windows thing though if you do it, on the debian side you'd just plug it in |
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| 14:32.19 | armin | you would also have to tell the debian box to forward packets. |
| 14:32.38 | flomax | is there some sort of guide I should look at ? |
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| 14:32.57 | flomax | tried googling but couldn't really find an answer to what I want to do |
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| 14:33.37 | armin | flomax: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/home-router-howto.xml |
| 14:33.48 | somiaj | flomax: internet connenction sharing. But you have to decided which machine is gonna share it's internet connenction |
| 14:33.59 | armin | flomax: you can very likely ignore 2.2 |
| 14:34.13 | et | armin: wrong way around. |
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| 14:34.45 | Nik05 | w00t audio is working |
| 14:34.57 | Nik05 | ho should be in offtopic :p |
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| 14:37.13 | flomax | so basically set the windows box up as a gateway. seems simple enough |
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| 14:38.04 | flomax | got a bit of reading to do then. thanks yall :) saved me some hair pulling. |
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| 14:40.38 | badiane | alx: Yes |
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| 14:44.09 | c4nuck | hey guys i'm wondering how to get "aticonfig" to output all the information it has. i know aticonfig --pplib-cmd "get fanspeed 0" shows fanspeed and aticonfig --adapter=0 --od-getclocks shows clockspeed. I don't see either of those flags in the man pages for ati-config though. Does anybody know what other options are available for information on my card available with ati-config ? |
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| 14:52.15 | jhutchins_wk | c4nuck: ATI does. Unfortunately they don't share. |
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| 14:54.42 | streamlinx | Hello! I have a problem with setting up an external monitor on my laptop with Debian |
| 14:54.53 | berzerka | salam hombres. |
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| 14:55.34 | berzerka | streamlinx, please state your problem then. (and have a look at the xrandr tool) |
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| 14:59.54 | berzerka | i want to build wine-1.5.25 by hand on wheezy. seems like debian supports true multiarch now, thus lib32-...-dev is no longer available. i expected apt-get build-dep --target-architecture=i386 wine to work, that fails with oss4-dev missing, however. has anyone built the 32bit wine source on debian? |
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| 15:00.49 | berzerka | well, i have actually some time ago, but has anyone recently and can explain the least painful way to get all the deps right? |
| 15:00.52 | Nik05 | berzerka aptitude -R build-dep wine |
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| 15:01.16 | Nik05 | oh wait you already did that |
| 15:01.35 | jelly | berzerka: do you have a 32bit or a 64bit debian installation? |
| 15:01.39 | berzerka | Nik05, yup.. --ignore-missing also doesn't help. |
| 15:01.46 | berzerka | jelly, 64 install, 32 bit wine build. |
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| 15:02.12 | jelly | berzerka: eh, setting up an i386 chroot is probably the simplest way at present |
| 15:02.17 | Nik05 | berzerka do you have i386 in dpkg foreign archs? |
| 15:02.26 | berzerka | Nik05, yes. |
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| 15:02.53 | berzerka | jelly, alright then, lets have a look at this... thanks! |
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| 15:03.39 | jelly | berzerka: you might read /msg dpkg schroot, /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 15:04.02 | jelly | (debootstrap is a lower level script than most others) |
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| 15:04.34 | berzerka | jelly, cool thanks. aww thought sid would have 1.5.x but theres also 1.4.1. well then lets set up that chroot.. |
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| 15:14.10 | berzerka | also i still wonder: how do you SSD users set the IO scheduler per device? using sysctl.conf i would expect, but i don't see how i can refer to devices by label/uuid there. i can of course put the echo "deadline" > /sys/block.... lines in rc.local, but i really dislike the idea of both hardcoding the device names as well as using a local post-boot script to set that up. |
| 15:14.22 | Towzzer | did you know most ssd users don't have trim support enabled? |
| 15:14.29 | Towzzer | since it requires you use ext4 with a certain mount option |
| 15:14.32 | Towzzer | that no one ever talks about |
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| 15:14.46 | berzerka | what a coincidence :) i have it enabled, just yesterday. |
| 15:14.57 | Towzzer | and what is the name of the secret option |
| 15:15.01 | berzerka | discard |
| 15:15.06 | Towzzer | ah but is it nodiscard? |
| 15:15.11 | Towzzer | it's nodiscard |
| 15:15.14 | berzerka | no, it is discard. |
| 15:15.15 | Towzzer | oh wait, is it discard |
| 15:15.20 | berzerka | :) |
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| 15:16.05 | Towzzer | imagine how many people are ruining their drives |
| 15:16.27 | penguin1 | Debian Business Card installation disk: setup.exe; install.bat; win32-loader.ini; autorun.inf (open=setup.exe). |
| 15:16.35 | penguin1 | This is all windows related stuff |
| 15:17.08 | penguin1 | Probably for advertising Debian to windows users. I don't want this stuff, I simply want to install Debian using a minimal installer. Can I strip it off? |
| 15:17.44 | berzerka | Towzzer, other nice stuff is to mount /tmp and /var/lock into ramdisks (/etc/default/tmpfs) and set the deadline io scheduler for the ssd (no idea, see above). |
| 15:18.11 | c4nuck | jhutchins_wk, so..... how would i go about getting the information i need ? |
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| 15:18.51 | berzerka | Towzzer, and dont forget the noatime and nodiratime mount options as well! |
| 15:19.27 | ksk | hum, do you have any resources about that? been using a ssd for some days but didnt think about it so far.. |
| 15:19.53 | berzerka | Towzzer, finally, i put swap and /var on the hdd to reduce writes. |
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| 15:20.43 | Nahiyan | Uhh |
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| 15:26.28 | petn-randall | penguin1: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 15:28.11 | Towzzer | berzerka, I like those ideas but I get worried about the size of files that might be written to temp |
| 15:28.15 | Towzzer | what if they are gigantic |
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| 15:28.28 | Towzzer | they proby could be very big |
| 15:28.34 | berzerka | penguin1, you can always mount the iso file in a loopback device, delete the files which you don't like, then use genisoimage to make a new image. |
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| 15:29.05 | proby | Towzzer: hlooooool |
| 15:29.08 | petn-randall | berzerka: IMHO putting swap to your slowest block device will hurt performance if you hit it. |
| 15:29.51 | abrotman | so don't hit swap? :) |
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| 15:30.07 | berzerka | Towzzer, petn-randall, well depends on the size of your RAM of course.. i just got this system with 16g and that means /tmp will fit and also that i will not have to swap under normal load, this is only if i want to hibernate at some point. i thought about omitting swap at all. |
| 15:30.23 | Towzzer | sometimes I write scripts that dump alot of crap to tmp |
| 15:30.57 | berzerka | petn-randall, you can also influence that using the vm.swappiness option. |
| 15:31.21 | petn-randall | Well, a SSD is there to use it. You'll probably replace it for a faster/bigger SSD far before it runs out of write cycles. |
| 15:31.34 | petn-randall | That's why I'd use as much as I can on it. |
| 15:31.39 | penguin1 | petn-randall / berzerka: What I don't understand is why they fill their extra small ISO up with unrelated stuff. They should make it as small as possible. |
| 15:31.47 | petn-randall | especially for hibernate |
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| 15:32.06 | penguin1 | crazy question: Can I compile the debian installer + aux files myself? |
| 15:32.13 | berzerka | petn-randall, well, my hypothesis is that swap wont be hit anyway, thus 16/60 gigs of my ssd for swap which will never be used was too much for me. |
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| 15:32.31 | samuel_ | hello guys |
| 15:32.32 | petn-randall | penguin1: Again, what are you trying to achieve? |
| 15:33.00 | berzerka | petn-randall, you are right. writing everything to the hdd swap will take about 2 minutes. that's why i will go and omit the swap entirely next time, i guess... |
| 15:33.12 | penguin1 | petn-randall: a clean and small installer for debian which bootstraps and downloads everything from a proxy server in local network. |
| 15:33.16 | berzerka | petn-randall, assuming that i use my full physical ram, that is.. |
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| 15:34.20 | petn-randall | penguin1: The Installer can already do that. |
| 15:34.31 | berzerka | petn-randall, i thought about that for a while these days. and i think IF this were a laptop and i would really be interested in hibernation i would have put swap on the ssd, as you say. |
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| 15:35.26 | penguin1 | petn-randall: ok, so where resides the kernel of installer and how can I let pxelinux chainload it? For netboot there is an example which works. Now I want to archieve the same with the minimal installer, too. |
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| 15:36.53 | humbolt_air | Hey guys |
| 15:37.04 | Jorgebio | Hi humbolt_air |
| 15:37.13 | petn-randall | penguin1: The netboot installer solves your problem, and now you want to duplicate that work on the minimal installer, to achieve what? Why? |
| 15:37.30 | humbolt_air | Does anybody know, how to send a UDP Stream to a RTMP server? |
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| 15:38.05 | 77CAASSYG | how can I find what package contains a file if the package is not installed? |
| 15:38.23 | berzerka | 77CAASSYG, apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search <filename> |
| 15:38.34 | berzerka | samuel, ^ |
| 15:38.34 | samuel | thanks! |
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| 15:40.06 | berzerka | humbolt_air, don't you stream FROM a RTMP server, not to it? what is the source of your data? |
| 15:40.25 | penguin1 | petn-randall: because the netinstall already contains packages. I want, that the installer downloads all packages. |
| 15:40.30 | humbolt_air | berzerka: an UDP multicast. |
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| 15:40.58 | berzerka | humbolt_air, what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 15:41.50 | Ristovski | guys, any idea why my debian has been stuck on "building package `linux-image-3.2.35'" for the past 15 mins |
| 15:41.50 | humbolt_air | I want to pick up a UDP Mpeg TS multicast and send it to an RTMP server. |
| 15:41.55 | Ristovski | the file didnt even change size |
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| 15:42.02 | humbolt_air | berzerka: It is my own broadcast |
| 15:42.13 | berzerka | humbolt_air, do RTMP servers even listen for incoming traffic? |
| 15:42.30 | humbolt_air | berzerka: Oh man, you have no idea. |
| 15:42.55 | berzerka | humbolt_air, no i haven't actually. however i think ffmpeg should be able to do stuff like that. i was just trying to understand your question. |
| 15:43.18 | petn-randall | penguin1: Look, netinstall will still download the updated packages if they're available. What do you want to achieve? You don't like the idea of having packages in netinstall? |
| 15:43.21 | Towzzer | are you using red5? |
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| 15:43.39 | petn-randall | penguin1: You've only got 5 MB of disk space? What problem are you trying to fix? |
| 15:43.40 | humbolt_air | I am going to send it from wowza for now. |
| 15:44.10 | mint | hi, someone could spare a minute to help me fixing a corrupted ext 4 file system? (already started the pc with a live CD) |
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| 15:45.15 | c4nuck | in /proc/cpuinfo it shows "model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU Q 840 @ 1.87GHz |
| 15:45.17 | c4nuck | " but "cpu MHz : 1199.000" why would cpu MHz not be 1870 ? |
| 15:45.32 | penguin1 | petn-randall: I just want to also try the other way. I read the minimal installer can also be pxe booted. |
| 15:45.52 | berzerka | c4nuck, intel speedstep technology clocks down your cpu. |
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| 15:46.37 | c4nuck | berzerka, why would it do that ? |
| 15:46.46 | berzerka | c4nuck, have a look at cpufreqd and cpufrequtils to influence that by choosing different "governors". |
| 15:46.47 | c4nuck | and how can i make it run at its full potential ? |
| 15:46.58 | berzerka | c4nuck, to save energy and reduce heat dissipation. |
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| 15:47.14 | jhutchins_wk | c4nuck: Why should it be running at full speed if it's not doing anything? |
| 15:47.17 | berzerka | c4nuck, cpufreq-set -c <cpuid> -g performance, or something. |
| 15:47.26 | c4nuck | okay but say i loaded up something resource hungry. would it speed up ? |
| 15:47.40 | petn-randall | penguin1: Ok, have fun with that then. |
| 15:47.45 | berzerka | c4nuck, depends on the governor. on my laptop i use "ondemand" which does exactly that. |
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| 15:48.10 | petn-randall | c4nuck: using up all cpu cycles will usually set it to the max. |
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| 15:49.09 | petn-randall | c4nuck: for an idling system it makes sense to run with the slowest clock the hardware supports. Slower clock means lower voltages, less heat, less fan noise, smaller electricity bills. |
| 15:49.38 | penguin1 | petn-randall: right |
| 15:50.18 | Washu | Hi, is software in Sid always the latest available? Are the only delays due to maintainers taking time? Are there any reasons they're considered unstable besides them being new(&bugs), do they need debian-specific patches or at least inspecting to see if they're required first? |
| 15:50.22 | c4nuck | okay thanks for the help guys |
| 15:50.27 | c4nuck | i'll look into this cpufeq-set |
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| 15:50.57 | petn-randall | Washu: sid at the moment it rather close to testing |
| 15:51.21 | berzerka | Washu, the latest available in debian, normally. however it might be older than upstream releases. e.g. i am just building wine 1.5.25 by hand since even sid only has 1.4.x. |
| 15:51.50 | Washu | oh, so sid is where testing is put together initially? meaning that once wheezy goes stable sid will get a flood of new packages? |
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| 15:52.00 | petn-randall | Washu: only release-critical bugfixes get uploaded to sid to migrate to testing. Testing is frozen at the moment. For this reason there's quite a lot of the newest software in experimental. |
| 15:52.13 | c4nuck | berzerka, wouldn't it be set "ondemand" by default ? |
| 15:52.31 | berzerka | c4nuck, i don't know, would have to check that, but that is likely. |
| 15:53.16 | Washu | petn-randall: so would what i said be accurate if I said sid gets a flood of new packages once testing freezes? |
| 15:53.17 | berzerka | c4nuck, you can just do a 'cat /dev/random > /dev/null' and see if the actual clock rate goes up. |
| 15:53.54 | berzerka | c4nuck, then it is probably ondemand or conservative. |
| 15:53.54 | petn-randall | Washu: Kind of. Packages going to testing have to be uploaded to sid first. If you upload v3.0 of the software x to sid, and v2.4 in testing needs a bugfix to v2.4.1, the maintainer will have a problem. |
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| 15:54.35 | petn-randall | Washu: It's more that sid gets a flood of new software once a new stable release is out. |
| 15:54.39 | Washu | ah, no wonder debian's sid isn't used in more distros |
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| 15:54.49 | c4nuck | berzerka, ya jumped up to 1.87 immediatly but dropped back down to 1.2 within a second and stayed there |
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| 15:55.33 | petn-randall | Washu: it's usually bleeding edge, but there's a 6-9 month window every few years when testing freeze happens where this isn't the case. |
| 15:55.38 | stew | maintainers *can* upload directly to testing, skipping sid, but it's something only to be done when there is no alternative, and requires manual poking from the already overworked release team |
| 15:55.44 | berzerka | c4nuck, sorry it should be /dev/urandom! my bad. |
| 15:55.45 | Washu | wheezy will be so great, so much major things changed since squeeze |
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| 15:55.56 | Washu | petn-randall: ah ok thanks :) |
| 15:56.06 | c4nuck | berzerka, ya i should have caught that to no worries |
| 15:56.11 | berzerka | c4nuck, /dev/random blocks as soon as not enough entropy data is available. |
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| 15:56.34 | c4nuck | same result though |
| 15:56.52 | c4nuck | jumped up for a second then back down |
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| 15:57.11 | berzerka | c4nuck, hmm shouldn't be the case... if you really want to test heavy load have a look at the cpuburn package ;) |
| 15:57.23 | petn-randall | stew: And they'll probably frown upon the package since it probably hasn't seen wide spread testing. |
| 15:57.24 | Towzzer | c4nuck |
| 15:57.31 | Towzzer | are you the same c4nuck as on linknet? |
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| 15:58.06 | stew | petn-randall: they are only going to allow such a thing if the diff to the package already in testing is small enough that they can reason about it |
| 15:58.38 | stew | at this point they are looking at every line of every diff of packages going into testing no matter how they are getting there |
| 15:58.47 | berzerka | c4nuck, CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_ONDEMAND=y is set in the stock wheezy kernel config, that should answer your question. |
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| 15:59.50 | berzerka | c4nuck, if you start #cores of the cat random tasks, it should definitely stay at max clock. |
| 15:59.51 | Washu | how unified is the debian devs in the current development model (this is just passing interest) |
| 16:00.01 | c4nuck | Towzzer, whats it to ya? |
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| 16:00.23 | c4nuck | :) |
| 16:00.27 | c4nuck | berzerka, thanks |
| 16:01.11 | berzerka | c4nuck, yw. |
| 16:01.23 | Washu | (upon thinking about it I think I was actually asking if there's much interest in a rolling release debian distro) |
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| 16:03.14 | stew | Washu: there is lots of interest in a rolling debian, there is not enough consensus on how exactly it would work, nor is there likely to be enough volunteer manpower to make it work |
| 16:03.25 | stew | Washu: if you haven't already, take a look at CUT |
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| 16:03.50 | stew | !debian cut |
| 16:03.50 | dpkg | "Constantly Usable Testing" (CUT) is a proposal to make a rolling branch of Debian. See the proposal: http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ and the discussion: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/09/msg00502.html . http://cut.debian.net/ |
| 16:04.41 | stew | however since cut is a periodic snapshot of testing, and testing is frozen... |
| 16:04.50 | Washu | it would certainly counter the concerns with have with debian's "out of date" package repos |
| 16:04.53 | penguin1 | Is Continuous Integration used for Debian? |
| 16:05.36 | stew | penguin1: can you define that term? |
| 16:06.21 | stew | or what it would mean for debian? |
| 16:06.35 | Washu | wouldn't it have made sense to have it be a release above sid? so sid can still freeze with testing but the new one could keep streaming packages in |
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| 16:07.05 | stew | Washu: sure. but there isn't the available manpower for this |
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| 16:09.06 | Nahiyan | Is it possible to get Debian to run from RAM totally? |
| 16:09.14 | somiaj | Washu: this debian is outdated is old nonsense. With backports being offically part of debian and security support being added to them, the issue is manpower to keep making backports. I would rather see effort spent here than creating a rolling release. |
| 16:09.37 | somiaj | Washu: that is what expermential is being used for, the biggest reason sid freezes is the effort by the matainers is to fix bugs in wheezy, not just upload new packages. |
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| 16:09.52 | penguin1 | stew: they got a build process for all debian packages? Compiling from source, testing, deployment (to debian repo)? |
| 16:10.01 | stew | penguin1: yes |
| 16:10.01 | jbn | Not sure if this is a FAQ, but it's not in the FAQ ;) What would be the best/most needed place to join in helping the Debian project? |
| 16:10.12 | berzerka | Nahiyan, looks like it is: http://live.debian.net/ |
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| 16:10.34 | stew | penguin1: anytime a package is uploaded it is sent off to something like 15 build servers to be built on every arch. if the package as part of its build script runs tests, the tests are run |
| 16:10.43 | Nahiyan | berzerka, mm, thanks (I can't surf, HDD is dying) |
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| 16:10.51 | Nahiyan | (chromium not loading) |
| 16:11.01 | stew | penguin1: https://buildd.debian.org/ |
| 16:11.23 | somiaj | jbn: what are your skills? The wiki could use improvment to bring some of the older info up to date, if you have the ability to be a matainer there are plenty of orphaned packages (provided you want to go though the processes of becoming a matainer) |
| 16:11.33 | penguin1 | stew: the ssl certificate is invalid? |
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| 16:12.39 | jbn | somiaj: General programmer (mostly web, but happy to delve elsewhere to learn), been using Debian since earli 2000 for servers, desktop and whatnot. |
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| 16:13.02 | Guest15459 | Greetings |
| 16:13.12 | stew | penguin1: I don't think so |
| 16:13.24 | jbn | somiaj: So python, PHP and all that jazz are my defaults |
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| 16:13.39 | Guest15459 | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch3.en.html 3.7 Install the minimum amount of software required |
| 16:13.53 | Guest15459 | How can i get table like this one? |
| 16:14.07 | Guest15459 | Packages against its size? |
| 16:14.12 | petn-randall | Washu: There actually is a release above sid. It's called experimental. Well, it's not a full release, but it's on top of sid. |
| 16:14.23 | Washu | somiaj: yea I understand this, it's much more important to keep the distro working as it is right now, but with the manpower argument depending on how it'd work I see the people working on sid doing the new release and just having to move packages to sid when appropriate |
| 16:14.25 | somiaj | jbn: I wouldn't know the best place to start, but I would narrow down what sort of contributation you could make. There is improving documentation (I think the wiki is good for this because by design anyone can modify it). There is providing a mirror/finicial donation support and there is being an actual matainer. And as a user, you could make sure you use the bts, provide good bug support, or even if you think you can fix a bug, ... |
| 16:14.31 | somiaj | ... submit a patch to the bts. |
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| 16:15.22 | Washu | petn-randall: oh yea, sadly still not bleeding edge, like I said to somiaj it would be nice but we all prefer to keep the existing system working over a convenient faster paced one |
| 16:15.24 | jbn | somiaj: Bug hunting I might be able to do. Is there a lot of triage-work that needs doing in the issue queue? |
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| 16:15.55 | stew | !sort packages by size |
| 16:15.58 | petn-randall | somiaj: I think the whole mirror thing is pretty well covered. Unless you can provide university level ftp server, they're probably not interested. :) |
| 16:16.17 | stew | !sort by package size |
| 16:16.17 | dpkg | to see a list of installed packages by installed size install dctrl-tools and run 'grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size,Package -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " n" | sort -n' |
| 16:16.20 | stew | Guest15459: ^ |
| 16:16.34 | somiaj | petn-randall: yea, for the most part it isn't an issue, I was just thiking of things that could be used to do support. But yea a mirror probabaly woudln't be that useful. |
| 16:16.34 | jbn | petn-randall: Only if my company gets a lot more profits sometime soon ;) |
| 16:16.35 | petn-randall | somiaj: I think writing good bug report is already doing 90% of the work needed to fix the bug. |
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| 16:17.39 | somiaj | petn-randall: yup, two issues there. If you can write a report that allows the matianer to reproduce the bug then he can most likely fix it. The issue with providing a fix is some packages don't really have an active matianer who can do the testing and fix. |
| 16:18.20 | somiaj | the list of orphaned packages keeps increasing last I looked |
| 16:18.20 | jbn | So being a maintainer would be good. I think that would be a while off. But maybe someday. |
| 16:18.42 | jbn | Hard to prioritize what to adopt I guess as well. |
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| 16:18.53 | jbn | From a prospective maintainer's point of view. |
| 16:19.06 | penguin1 | stew: I got a warning |
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| 16:19.08 | sparadokos | somiaj: where may I find a list of the orphaned packages? |
| 16:19.20 | stew | wnpp-alert is a good start, which checks the list of packages marked as needing help against your list of installed pacakges |
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| 16:19.43 | stew | penguin1: you probably don't have the debian ca certificate in your browser |
| 16:19.48 | et | see http://xkcd.com/306/ |
| 16:19.57 | somiaj | jbn: debian has a fairly drawn out process to become a matainer, it starts with finding a mentor and then shoing compentance. Reading the debian new matianers guide and working on bugs is a good place to start if that is your evental goal |
| 16:19.59 | petn-randall | sparadokos: check the bugtracker for the wnpp package. |
| 16:20.00 | stew | sparadokos: /msg dpkg wnpp |
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| 16:20.02 | somiaj | sparadokos: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned |
| 16:20.26 | sparadokos | TY! |
| 16:20.38 | pianino_ | I m connected to the internet via cable but need to install my wireless internet. MY machine is equipped with INtel Centrino-n 1030. Could someone help me plz? |
| 16:20.39 | Sevet | http://xkcd.com/306 |
| 16:20.52 | jelly | Sevet++ |
| 16:21.13 | Sevet | et++ - i meant to be putting that into my browser ;) |
| 16:21.15 | jbn | somiaj: Right now I just want to find a place to contribute. I use almost exclusively open source and I'm finally feeling like I get most of the code I encounter and I really feel like I should be contributing and can contribute. So yeah. I want to :P |
| 16:21.40 | jbn | No hurries to the fame and glory ;) |
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| 16:22.10 | stew | jbn: bug triaging / bug fixing is the best way to get started |
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| 16:22.35 | jbn | stew: guess that will be where I start looking |
| 16:22.52 | ivotkl | Hello everyone. I'm trying to use wget in order to download VLC and its dependencies to port them to a box that does not have internet access. Any help? |
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| 16:22.59 | jbn | Thanks for the responses people. Leaving work now so signing off in a bit |
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| 16:23.17 | petn-randall | jbn: Start with fixing bugs, maybe meet up with debian people in your city, carry on from there :) |
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| 16:23.44 | Sevet | !tell ivotkl about apt offline |
| 16:23.45 | penguin1 | right |
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| 16:24.08 | mtn | pianino_: you probably need a firmware package. have you checked out the debian wiki for wireless? |
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| 16:24.33 | ivotkl | Thanks Sevet! =) |
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| 16:26.50 | Washu | Why isn't libre-linux packaged for debian? is there just noone who wants to do it? seems weird since debian is mostly free already and working on FSF compliency |
| 16:27.11 | pianino_ | Yes, but I m not sure which one is mine! |
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| 16:27.43 | mtn | pianino_: lspci -nn and look for it there |
| 16:27.49 | jhutchins_wk | !iwlwifi |
| 16:27.50 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports Intel 3945 ABG, 4965 AGN and several Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>. |
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| 16:28.39 | Washu | jhutchins_wk: was that to me? I know the proprietary blobs have practical value but that's not what this is about |
| 16:28.48 | rww | Washu: last I checked, the Debian kernel doesn't have non-free firmware in it (hence there being a separate non-free firmware package), so I'm not sure what the point would be? |
| 16:28.52 | Twinkletoes | A quick postfix question... the default value for 'virtual_alias_domains' is '$virtual_alias_maps' but I can't get it to work using a combined file, even though it works if I specify the virutal_alias_domains in main.cf manually. |
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| 16:29.30 | Sevet | Washu: probably because the linux kernel in debian already has all non-free / binary blobs removed |
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| 16:29.40 | Washu | Oh. :P |
| 16:29.51 | Washu | Well, that's awesome |
| 16:30.04 | Sevet | Washu: http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101215 |
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| 16:30.18 | Washu | thinking about it, librelinux keeps with the latest kernel so it would be unstable |
| 16:30.24 | babilen | Washu: Which is why we ship firmware-linux-nonfree (and a couple of other firmare packages in non-free) |
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| 16:30.38 | Washu | Oh nice, that's awesome thx |
| 16:30.52 | pianino_ | http://paste.debian.net/241496 |
| 16:30.58 | Sevet | it was a release goal in squeeze iirc |
| 16:31.02 | babilen | yeah |
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| 16:31.54 | pianino_ | These are the only modules that have been indicated in the output! |
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| 16:33.05 | mtn | pianino_: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 16:45.12 | somiaj | confusid: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net will be able to answer your question. I only know the vague basics. |
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| 16:45.36 | confusid | somiaj: ty |
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| 16:55.47 | berzerka | jelly, that was easy.. only used plain debootstrap. just create dir, bind-mount /dev /proc /sys, debootstrap --arch=i386, chroot, apt-get build-dep wine, build the thing, done. did everything in a ramdisk for lightning-fast complation :) thanks! |
| 16:56.46 | jelly | berzerka: you probably don't even need the bind mounts |
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| 16:57.04 | berzerka | jelly, well, better be on the safe side ;) |
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| 16:58.23 | somiaj | berzerka: I have a set of notes for making a custom wine package from the upstream wine source if you are intersted. And yes you want to do this inside a i386 chroot |
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| 16:59.38 | berzerka | somiaj, i am fine with a local install, but thanks. hope that 1.5 will make it to sid soon, then i will rather do a mixed install with the relevant packages from unstable. |
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| 17:00.53 | somiaj | berzerka: 1.5 is in sid, it is just an older version. And yes I like local installs, I just prefer to have it all nested in a single wine_i386.deb package to manage with dpkg |
| 17:00.59 | somiaj | berzerka: it is called wine-unstable |
| 17:01.03 | somiaj | ,v wine-unstable |
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| 17:01.06 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.5.6-2 |
| 17:01.10 | Kaurin | hmm... running aptitude upgrade on my test server hangs at "found initrd image..." (third entry). I have three domUs on that box, that are turned off during upgrade. Any idea what might be causing this? |
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| 17:01.19 | Kaurin | xen test server * |
| 17:02.00 | berzerka | somiaj, duh.. didn't notice that one. well i am fine now, since i prefer having the latest dev release (1.5.25 right now) anyways. |
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| 17:04.25 | somiaj | berzerka: http://paste.debian.net/241499/ -- just incase you want it. It takes only a little more to make it into a .deb |
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| 17:05.54 | berzerka | somiaj, hey that really looks easy. i will keep it around for the next build. thanks! |
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| 17:07.47 | somiaj | berzerka: yea it is just a few commands before the compile so it makes a .deb. I like this because I like to manage my installed files with dpkg |
| 17:08.03 | somiaj | berzerka: you do know to keep the source tree you compiled in for 'make uninstall' |
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| 17:08.59 | berzerka | somiaj, this is for a single user, so i rather keep the copy in ~/local/wine (which i can comfortably delete at any time) and have the "stable" 1.4 version systemwide for all users. |
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| 17:09.43 | berzerka | somiaj, i never install to /usr/local for that reason.. |
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| 17:10.02 | berzerka | somiaj, i don't trust any uninstall target after all :P |
| 17:10.21 | babilen | berzerka: You might like stow -- See <stow> and <stow usage> for details. (/msg dpkg stow) |
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| 17:11.24 | berzerka | babilen, ah, nice! in case i need that version for all users that seems very handy. |
| 17:12.03 | babilen | yeah, i use it whenever I have to install something to /usr/local (it'll work just as well elsewhere though) |
| 17:12.46 | berzerka | great to know. thank you all again! |
| 17:13.31 | berzerka | now i will tar away that ramdisk in case i want to use the i386-chroot again :) |
| 17:13.31 | darsie | 'man openssh' has a 'sha256' "command", but this is unkrown to my openssh. I need to use 'openssh sha -sha256'. This syntax is not in the man page. Where is the documentation for my openssh? |
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| 17:26.58 | berzerka | darsie, echo text | openssl sha256 works for me (tm). this is OpenSSL 1.0.1e on wheezy. |
| 17:27.17 | darsie | Bercik: I have squeeze. |
| 17:27.33 | jelly | Towzzer: your behaviour passes the tests with flying colors! |
| 17:27.51 | jelly | colours* for consistency |
| 17:27.55 | kaste | can someone please tell me how to debug tftp? It doesn't seem to have any way to get logs, I strace it and all i see is that after select forking it quits with exit_group. Connecting with socat i just see nothing |
| 17:28.05 | darsie | Bercik: openssl 0.9.8o-4squeeze14 |
| 17:28.16 | kaste | I am a little desperate and out of ideas |
| 17:29.02 | berzerka | darsie, hmm well maybe they fixed it in the meantime. |
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| 17:30.45 | zykotick9 | kaste: i know little, to nothing, about tftp. but the one time i needed it - i didn't have success until i used the tftpd-hpa package. but best of luck. |
| 17:31.15 | kaste | that's the one I'm already using unfortunately |
| 17:31.32 | kaste | it feels like the package is completely mute |
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| 17:32.50 | berzerka | damn guys. this new debian wheezy install freezes completely again and again for no apparent reason. no ssh, no nothing, sound stutters and whole system crashes. are those SysRq keys enabled per default? i would really like to get an idea what is going wrong here! |
| 17:32.54 | jhutchins_wk | kaste: What are you trying to do with it? What do you expect to happen? What happens instead? |
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| 17:33.42 | berzerka | this is my gfs machine which i just convinced to move to free software, it sucks hard if the system is that unstable :/ |
| 17:33.45 | subthalamus | is there an accentuated character that exists on ANY keyboard layout? |
| 17:33.47 | kaste | I want to boot off of it, nothing, profit. I tried debugging with tftp localhost but one i hit get pxelinux.0 nothing happens at all |
| 17:35.22 | berzerka | this is brand new hardware maybe i should do a memtest... any ideas or suggestions are very welcome. |
| 17:35.47 | jhutchins_wk | berzerka: That's probably not a bad place to start. |
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| 17:36.09 | jhutchins_wk | berzerka: Check that everything's seated properly, check the BIOS for overheating. |
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| 17:37.07 | subthalamus | nobody? |
| 17:37.23 | berzerka | jhutchins_wk, that might be the problem... i am not able to DISABLE those fancy TurboBoost features of the board. probably related to that... i will check rams, then do a bios update and see if i can disable that crap. |
| 17:38.11 | subthalamus | but turboboost is the chiznit yo!!!! |
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| 17:38.47 | berzerka | jhutchins_wk, pretty ironic, bought a super energyefficient system with 35W TDP cpu and wd green harddrives, but that bios insists on overclocking. asus P8H77-I mini-itx board.... |
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| 17:39.26 | berzerka | sighs |
| 17:40.10 | jhutchins_wk | berzerka: Well, yes, I would start without overclocking and maybe try it once you have everything stable. Lock-ups are often thermal related. If you built this yourself, did you use thermal grease to mount the CPU heatsink? |
| 17:41.12 | berzerka | jhutchins_wk, was a boxed cpu with heat paste already on the core.. i will have a continous look at the sensor data for the next "run". |
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| 17:41.44 | jhutchins_wk | kaste: I installed ltsp and that works pretty well, but I tried to build a clonezilla pxe and never got it working. iirc I got bogged down in the menu. |
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| 17:41.58 | ubuntu_1 | Must I burn a cd or may debian be installed form a flash disk |
| 17:42.01 | berzerka | jhutchins_wk, interestingly i had the hangup also when it was freshly booted and i clicked a certain link on a certain webpage. maybe its the ram after all. i will investigate. thanks. |
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| 17:42.16 | jhutchins_wk | ubuntu_1: It can be installed from a flash drive. |
| 17:42.32 | jhutchins_wk | !install guide |
| 17:42.33 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata>, <installer firmware>, <release notes>. |
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| 17:43.42 | jhutchins_wk | ubuntu_1: I belive the guide tells you how to prepare a flash drive. |
| 17:44.16 | subthalamus | jhutchins_wk: I could be wrong, but I don t see it |
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| 17:44.33 | subthalamus | http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ that makes it pretty easy though |
| 17:44.52 | jhutchins_wk | subthalamus: We've had problems with that, but we've had problems with other Windows methods as well. |
| 17:45.12 | subthalamus | unetbootin isn't winders only |
| 17:45.17 | subthalamus | but point taken |
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| 17:45.41 | subthalamus | there is yumi |
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| 17:45.56 | vv0rm | hello, can someone help me setup DKIM properly with Postfix ? I tried this http://www.linuxlasse.net/linux/howtos/Postfix_with_DKIM_(OpenDKIM)_and_SPF as it seemed pretty clean but I keep getting "no signature data" when sending emails |
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| 17:46.41 | chris___ | Hi All. I have just installed debian 6 for the first time and I'm having problems installing google chrome from the deb file. I have copied the text into this pastie and would appreciate it if someone could help me, http://pastie.org/6474290 |
| 17:46.50 | ubuntu_1 | jhutchins_wk: ok |
| 17:47.07 | somiaj | chris___: any reason the chromium-browser package in squeeze won't work for you? |
| 17:47.18 | chris___ | somiaj: I'll try that |
| 17:47.19 | subthalamus | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ |
| 17:47.22 | chris___ | somiaj: thanks |
| 17:47.29 | ubuntu_1 | stop spamming |
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| 17:47.53 | somiaj | chris___: if that package was built for debian squeeze (i.e. those libaries are of the right version) |
| 17:48.00 | loredan | hi |
| 17:48.13 | kaste | jhutchins_wk: that sounds further than where I am stuck |
| 17:48.16 | loredan | yesterday i had a discussion with someone |
| 17:48.21 | ubuntu_1 | http://www.discgolfstation.com/DGA-Discs_c_262.html |
| 17:48.21 | subthalamus | ubuntu_1: http://www.sarducd.it/ |
| 17:48.25 | loredan | the guy sended me a link |
| 17:48.31 | loredan | i foget the adrees |
| 17:48.32 | korhojoa | chris___: well, did you install the dependancies |
| 17:48.36 | somiaj | chris___: after you run that command type 'apt-get -f install' it should fix your install and get the missing libaries |
| 17:48.53 | loredan | can owner of the channel view private converssation and send it to me? |
| 17:48.58 | chris___ | somiaj: yes I tried that but no got no luck. It couldn't install the dependencies. |
| 17:49.07 | loredan | because i forget that link |
| 17:49.21 | ubuntu_1 | quit pasting random links its crowding the chat |
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| 17:49.56 | chris___ | somiaj: I just tried installing chromium-browser with no luck : http://pastie.org/6474304 |
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| 17:50.41 | babilen | chris___: fwiw, you almost certainly want to use wheezy and not squeeze these days. See "/msg dpkg install wheezy" for installation instructions and "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" for upgrade instructions. |
| 17:50.46 | somiaj | chris___: what is your /etc/apt/sources.list file, something is wrong with your sources |
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| 17:50.58 | subthalamus | is there an accentuated character that exists on ANY keyboard layout? |
| 17:51.15 | ubuntu_1 | and stop with the platonic stories |
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| 17:51.45 | babilen | ubuntu_1: Play elsewhere please. |
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| 17:53.37 | chris____ | For some reason my IRC crashed, so I haven't got any of the messages you might have sent me. |
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| 17:53.41 | Sevet | chris___: re your first pastie, dpkg doesn't install dependancies... read the errors and install them first via apt-get |
| 17:53.52 | babilen | chris___: fwiw, you almost certainly want to use wheezy and not squeeze these days. See "/msg dpkg install wheezy" for installation instructions and "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" for upgrade instructions. |
| 17:53.58 | Sevet | re your second, try apt-get update first... and check your sources.list is sane (no mixing of different distributions) |
| 17:54.13 | somiaj | chris___: I want to see a copy of your sources.list file, I think you have something wrong there. You should not be getting that error trying to install a package on squeeze |
| 17:54.21 | babilen | chris___: And please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 17:54.55 | chris____ | somiaj: my sources.list file : http://pastie.org/6474337 |
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| 17:55.29 | somiaj | chris____: yea that is your problem, you do not have internet sources for squeeze. You have secuirty and updates, but no main sources |
| 17:55.31 | jhutchins_wk | LordDeath: No. |
| 17:55.32 | streamlinx | hello, can someone help me setting my primary monitor permanent? |
| 17:55.46 | jhutchins_wk | LordDeath: Sorry, n'mind. |
| 17:55.51 | LordDeath | ^^ |
| 17:56.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell chris____ -about make squeeze sources.list |
| 17:56.15 | streamlinx | I have a external monitor (CRT1) and my laptop monitor (LVDS) and CRT1 has to be my default if it's there |
| 17:56.21 | somiaj | chris____: comment out your deb cdrom line, and follow that factoid to add a correct squeeze line. |
| 17:56.25 | somiaj | chris____: that hsould fix all your issues, (: |
| 17:56.39 | Sevet | don't forget apt-get update after you save the file |
| 17:56.40 | babilen | chris____: You end up with something like http://paste.debian.net/241511/ -- but then I /still/ recommend to use wheezy |
| 17:56.54 | babilen | shuts up now |
| 17:57.02 | Kaurin | Follow up: I had a faulty system, I could not even do df -h on it. (no output, df hangs). So, it's no wonder os-prober hanged, too |
| 17:57.09 | Kaurin | after reboot, everything upgraded fine |
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| 17:59.51 | chris____ | babilen: why wheezy? |
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| 18:00.30 | chris____ | I just installed the latest stable version from the debian website, i think. |
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| 18:00.59 | chris____ | somiaj: thanks, it worked |
| 18:01.01 | chris____ | babilen: thanks |
| 18:01.06 | ParkerR | chris____, Squeeze in it's current state has some very outdated packages |
| 18:01.22 | uberushaximus | wheezy is almost stable and has very very minor bugs at this point |
| 18:01.28 | uberushaximus | and it's up to dateish |
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| 18:01.37 | ParkerR | Wheezy is soon to become stable so Wheezy is recommended |
| 18:01.49 | chris____ | I came from ubuntu and I just want stable. |
| 18:01.50 | ParkerR | uberushaximus, :) |
| 18:02.02 | Eino | how do I get the "restricted" drivers or whatever they are called working? (the ones that pop in the tray in ubuntu [for example screen drivers]) |
| 18:02.04 | babilen | chris____: stable in Debian means "not changing" |
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| 18:02.45 | ParkerR | Eino, There are other methods. You usually just have to google what you are doing "debian install <whatever>" |
| 18:03.02 | babilen | chris____: wheezy is quite stable in the sense of "usable" or "bug free" -- You will also soon want newer software than what is in squeeze. But you /can/ use squeeze for now and upgrade in one or two months. I simply think that it would make more sense to use wheezy now. But its your box. |
| 18:03.10 | chris____ | It's unfortunate that the sources.list file wasn't setup correctly after the installation |
| 18:03.25 | ParkerR | chris____, How so? |
| 18:03.29 | babilen | chris____: You probably didn't configure a network connection during the installation. |
| 18:03.46 | chris____ | I'm behind a proxy so it couldn't connect |
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| 18:03.54 | GranoSalis | hi |
| 18:04.04 | chris____ | ..during the installation |
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| 18:04.27 | redhat77 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.31 | babilen | chris____: The isntaller support proxies ... btw, on what kind of hardware is this installed? Could you paste the output of "lspci -n ; lspci -nn" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 18:04.43 | chris____ | babilen: Virtual Box |
| 18:04.49 | babilen | ack |
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| 18:05.03 | babilen | chris____: okay, that shouldn't be a problem then |
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| 18:05.19 | babilen | redhat77: Anything interesting in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 18:05.39 | Eino | ParkerR: whats the easiest way? |
| 18:05.46 | chris____ | babilen: I had a quick look around the installer (the command line one) but couldn't find a place to put the proxy settings. |
| 18:05.54 | redhat77 | oh...i'm in windows now...let me chet it...will you wait? :p |
| 18:05.56 | ParkerR | Eino, Well what drivers are you wanting? |
| 18:06.02 | babilen | chris____: You mean debootstrap? |
| 18:06.09 | Eino | I have a laptop with intel hd graphics card |
| 18:06.15 | Eino | some integrated thingy |
| 18:06.33 | chris____ | babilen: I just picked "Install" on the boot cd menu and not "Graphical Install" |
| 18:06.40 | babilen | redhat77: Which version of Debian do you use and which GPU is that? Which driver do you use? |
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| 18:06.50 | babilen | chris____: Ah, yeah. That is not that. |
| 18:06.57 | ParkerR | Eino, What does "lspci" list as the graphics chipset? |
| 18:07.18 | redhat77 | i've just installed kali linux distribution which i know is based on debian |
| 18:07.57 | ParkerR | redhat77, #kali-linux |
| 18:08.00 | chris____ | Is there a recommended widget/app to use that will allow me to search, by typing, and quickly run any of my apps? |
| 18:08.25 | jhutchins_wk | redhat77: We can't support it because we don't know what changes they make. |
| 18:08.28 | redhat77 | ParkeR:they sent me here :) |
| 18:08.46 | jhutchins_wk | redhat77: Perhaps it would be a good idea to install debian then. |
| 18:09.09 | babilen | chris____: You are most likely asked during the expert install, but let me have a look. |
| 18:09.24 | Eino | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
| 18:09.27 | redhat77 | btw my graphics card is AMD radeonHD 6700 series |
| 18:09.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell redhat77 -about install Debian |
| 18:09.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell redhat77 -about install wheezy |
| 18:09.36 | Eino | ParkerR: ^ |
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| 18:09.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell redhat77 -about firmware images wheezy |
| 18:09.55 | zykotick9 | chris____: a terminal, with tab completion, lets you run anything installed on your system (in your PATH anyways) |
| 18:10.25 | babilen | redhat77: Give those a try and let us know if you can reproduce the issue in Debian. We can and will not support anything but pure Debian for a number of technical and social reasons |
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| 18:11.21 | redhat77 | ok thanks a lot...if i provide you with the /var/log/Xorg.0.log or ~/.xsession-errors will you be able to help me anyway? |
| 18:11.37 | babilen | redhat77: no |
| 18:11.48 | redhat77 | ok :) |
| 18:11.48 | ParkerR | Eino, Also what version of Debian are you running? |
| 18:12.10 | babilen | redhat77: If you want help in here: Use Debian, if you don't want to use Debian ask elsewhere |
| 18:12.55 | Eino | ParkerR: 6 I think |
| 18:12.58 | redhat77 | i understand thanks anyway |
| 18:13.04 | babilen | redhat77: Good luck! |
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| 18:13.52 | ParkerR | Eino, This may be of help http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1849 |
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| 18:14.29 | GranoSalis | does someone in here use awesome wm? |
| 18:14.53 | ParkerR | GranoSalis, I have before. Never too seriously. |
| 18:15.23 | GranoSalis | ParkerR: do you know a little more on modifying the rc.lua? |
| 18:15.26 | babilen | GranoSalis: Plenty of people do (me included) and there is also a special channel for it #awesome |
| 18:15.36 | ParkerR | GranoSalis, Sadly I do not. |
| 18:15.37 | babilen | GranoSalis: You probably should ask in there. |
| 18:15.51 | GranoSalis | babilen: no one is using #awesome |
| 18:16.06 | GranoSalis | i asked the same question in there for abut 30 times |
| 18:16.11 | GranoSalis | and no response |
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| 18:16.21 | GranoSalis | ParkerR: :( |
| 18:16.24 | zykotick9 | GranoSalis: what is your question? |
| 18:16.29 | babilen | GranoSalis: Oh, the official (and active) channel is over at irc.oftc.net |
| 18:16.33 | berzerka | GranoSalis, i switched from awesome to dwm to wmii to i3 by now, for different reasons. what are you trying to do? |
| 18:16.40 | ParkerR | GranoSalis, If you ask the specific question you are more likely to get a response |
| 18:16.52 | GranoSalis | babilen: same in there |
| 18:16.52 | babilen | GranoSalis: But simply ask your question, I simply think that this is most likely /not/ a Debian related issue. |
| 18:17.09 | cj | how do I check the default permissions of /etc/mail and /etc/mail/* in the sendmail package? |
| 18:17.17 | GranoSalis | so how do i enable gasps between windows |
| 18:17.43 | GranoSalis | for it to look like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mMb7qXwhuU |
| 18:17.45 | GranoSalis | ? |
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| 18:19.03 | streamlinx | Can someone help me setting up dual monitors on Debian (Gnome)? |
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| 18:19.25 | dexta | evening |
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| 18:21.19 | berzerka | GranoSalis, copy /usr/share/awesome/themes/default/theme.lua, e.g. to ~/.config/awesome/themes, then edit that file changing theme.border_width = 1 to any value you desire. |
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| 18:21.55 | berzerka | GranoSalis, then, in your rc.lua, change the line beautiful.init("/usr/share/awesome/themes/default/theme.lua") to the location of your new custom theme. tadaa. |
| 18:22.13 | babilen | GranoSalis: It is explained in the comment of that video (did you read that even?) |
| 18:22.24 | GranoSalis | i know how to change the rc lua |
| 18:22.25 | babilen | GranoSalis: I guess that you have to increase border_width ... but then I only ever wanted to achieve the opposite ;) |
| 18:22.43 | berzerka | GranoSalis, what is your problem, then? |
| 18:22.53 | GranoSalis | and when i change the border width the border becomes a greenish line |
| 18:22.58 | GranoSalis | i want it to be transparent |
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| 18:24.13 | babilen | GranoSalis: Have you read the author's comment yet? |
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| 18:24.23 | jbn | So if I'm interested in helping debian by looking at bug reports, confirming, complementing bug reports or simply triaging bugs? How and where can I get a decent list of bugs to browser for some humble beginnings. The debian.org site for contributors hands me straight at the bug searcher :) |
| 18:24.49 | berzerka | GranoSalis, man, if you really intend to make use of awesome wm, and not just show off to your friends, you should get accustomed to digging a little bit deeper into things yourself. |
| 18:25.19 | GranoSalis | berzerka: im reading it now,didnt saw it |
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| 18:25.29 | berzerka | GranoSalis, alright. no offense. |
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| 18:25.37 | ParkerR | jbn, https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/linux.debian.bugs.dist |
| 18:25.40 | GranoSalis | berzerka: sorry i meant babilen |
| 18:26.03 | babilen | jbn: Good question for #debian-bugs on irc.oftc.net -- You can get a list of RC bugs that affect you by running "rc-alert" (from the devscripts package) -- There are also some bugs tagged with "gift" but this is unfortunately not used as often as it should. |
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| 18:27.06 | jbn | ParkerR: thank you, I'll just wade on in shall I ;) |
| 18:27.10 | berzerka | GranoSalis, i personally find the lua config format pretty inconvenient. especially since the api is far from stable. it is more for people who like to spend most of their time tweaking some details of their window manager, thus the comment. |
| 18:27.38 | jbn | babilen: oftc.net? what IRC-servers are those? Something non-freenode for some reason? I'll check the rc-alert thing. Thanks |
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| 18:28.07 | babilen | jbn: And yeah, you can subscribe to debian.bugs.dist and take over some of the work algernon (Gergely Naly) is doing right now. A lot of bug work is simple house keeping in that it needs to be checked, tagged, reproduced and so on. A lot of bugs are also simply categorised wrongly so you might want to re categorise them. Either way you should know how to use the BTS. Let me dig up some links for you. |
| 18:28.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell jbn about oftc move |
| 18:28.35 | babilen | jbn: irc.debian.org == irc.oftc.net -- all official channels are over there. |
| 18:28.47 | jbn | babilen: that would be great, thanks |
| 18:28.53 | babilen | this channel is simply a remnant of an old forgotten past |
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| 18:29.22 | ParkerR | badiane, Maybe that's why the support has seemed better ;) |
| 18:29.28 | rryoumaa | "irc.debian.org == irc.oftc.net"? |
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| 18:29.39 | GranoSalis | berzerka: im perfectly fine with the default setup,just had to change the theme and now it fits my preferences |
| 18:29.44 | ParkerR | rrehbein, It means join either of those servers |
| 18:29.47 | ParkerR | They are the same |
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| 18:30.10 | babilen | jbn: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.html#bug-handling + http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control is a start. |
| 18:30.51 | babilen | rryoumaa: irc.debian.org points to irc.oftc.net these days (and most Debian channels are over there) |
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| 18:31.07 | berzerka | GranoSalis, ok. my motivation to move away from awesome that i indeed had some custom things scripted, but when the next awesome version came out, so much changed in the interfaces that i would have had to do everything all over again, which was too much fiddling for me then. |
| 18:31.10 | rryoumaa | oftc = debian? |
| 18:31.22 | rryoumaa | is it a superset of debian? |
| 18:31.28 | ParkerR | rrehbein, No oftc is its own network |
| 18:31.33 | babilen | rryoumaa: No, but Debian uses OFTC as IRC network |
| 18:31.35 | jhutchins_wk | rryoumaa: Suggest you visit the web page and see what they're about. |
| 18:31.36 | ParkerR | Debian just happens to use the network |
| 18:31.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell rryoumaa about irc move |
| 18:31.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell rryoumaa about oftc move |
| 18:31.47 | babilen | that :) |
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| 18:32.44 | berzerka | jhutchins_wk, rams are fine. lets tackle that bios. there are several bios updates with the remark "improves system stability" the last one from two days ago. that gives some hope. |
| 18:32.58 | jbn | babilen: thanks, looking through it now |
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| 18:33.14 | raptor67682 | is there too a pope for Linux ? |
| 18:33.47 | babilen | raptor67682: → #debian-offtopic please |
| 18:34.05 | raptor67682 | oh i forgot. thanks |
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| 18:35.28 | rryoumaa | i was wondering if oftc had non-debian channels. will look at the announcements. thank you. |
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| 18:35.51 | pianino | I have I can not handle installing my wireless network connection! IN firmware I have rtl-nic folder with specific realtek chipset driver which is rtl8105e-1.fw BUt still I do not have connection. Is there someone who can help me step by step how to do it? |
| 18:35.52 | ledus | i'd like to stream audio from a laptop to another pc connected to my hifi system. is there a way to control the stream FROM the laptop |
| 18:35.53 | jhutchins_wk | berzerka: Heh. |
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| 18:36.40 | streamlinx | Looking for help configuring dual screens with ATI drivers |
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| 18:37.08 | taime1 | hello.. i am testing permissions of a directory. when i create the dirctory as root, then give ownership to a group that my user is in, then set it 777, my user is still able to delete that folder. is there a way to give the user write permissions (create and delete files inside the directory) without being able to delete that directory? |
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| 18:39.16 | streamlinx | Someone here who can help me with configuring dual screens with ATI drivers? |
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| 18:40.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell streamlinx about xrandr |
| 18:40.47 | babilen | streamlinx: You might prefer something like arandr though (or whatever comes with your desktop environment) |
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| 18:41.10 | babilen | streamlinx: That should work regardless of driver. What do you mean by "ATI drivers" ? |
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| 18:42.52 | pianino | Is there anyone who can help me how to install wireless network driver on my machine step by step please? |
| 18:42.58 | babilen | pianino: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you? What about "uname -a" ? |
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| 18:47.25 | babilen | ok, guess you are both busy with something else :) |
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| 18:52.58 | Hyperi | Sorry for asking this question which has been probably asked several tiems |
| 18:52.59 | Hyperi | times |
| 18:53.22 | Towzzer | what question |
| 18:53.31 | Hyperi | Is there coming package update for bind9 that would fix the current critical security hole, or should one just compile it from the sources ? |
| 18:53.41 | berzerka | taime1, first of all, 777 is a nogo, pick 775 instead. and, as long as the user does not have write permission for the PARENT directory, he should be able to create and modify files beneath it, but not delete the directory itself. |
| 18:53.57 | Towzzer | if there is a security issue they will probably release an updated package but there isn't a timeline |
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| 18:54.10 | Hyperi | Towzzer: This security issue has been quite a long time now |
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| 18:54.41 | taime1 | berzerka: when i give the group owned directory 550, my user cannot delete the folder but also cannot create or delete files inside of it |
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| 18:55.18 | Hyperi | Towzzer: https://kb.isc.org/article/AA-00801 |
| 18:55.44 | berzerka | taime1, that is correct. you have to set the writable bit, which would correspond to 7. 1 (execute) 2 (write) 4 (read). man chmod. |
| 18:55.59 | pianino | lspci -nn|grep -i network |
| 18:56.38 | pianino | Network controller [0280]: INtel Corporation Device [8086:008a] (rev 34) |
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| 18:57.01 | taime1 | berzerka: i figured it out sir |
| 18:57.32 | taime1 | berzerka: the reason i am able to delete that folder is because like a dope, i created that folder as root in the user's folder |
| 18:57.38 | pianino | Linux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 18:57.48 | babilen | pianino: You need a newer kernel and firmware for that device |
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| 18:57.53 | taime1 | d'oh! |
| 18:57.58 | babilen | pianino: When did you install your system? |
| 18:57.59 | berzerka | taime1, yup. so the user owns the _parent_ that was my point :) |
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| 18:59.01 | berzerka | taime1, and never ever set 777 or 666 on files again, i hate when people do that... |
| 18:59.17 | taime1 | berzerka: its been a looong day... ive smoked too much weed and read too many damn tutorials for various other stuff (small home project) |
| 18:59.29 | taime1 | berzerka: oh also he 777 was for testing |
| 18:59.49 | berzerka | taime1, yeah yeah they always say that ;) theres really no point to it, don't do it. |
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| 18:59.58 | taime1 | berzerka: aye |
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| 19:00.15 | babilen | pianino: hmm? |
| 19:00.22 | taime1 | anyway, brilliant. thank you very much for your time |
| 19:00.31 | berzerka | taime1, you're welcome. |
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| 19:01.25 | babilen | pianino: Are you still there? |
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| 19:02.22 | babilen | pianino_: hello? |
| 19:03.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell pianino_ -about install wheezy |
| 19:03.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell pianino_ -about firmware images wheezy |
| 19:03.15 | pianino_ | (I don t know why today I frequently log out!!! Suddenly I see no more message into the webchat! |
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| 19:03.33 | babilen | pianino_: simply install wheezy using the installer with firmware and your wifi will work |
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| 19:03.46 | babilen | pianino_: You might want to use a /real/ IRC client :) |
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| 19:04.05 | crolab | does anyone have any interest in xtdesktop? |
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| 19:04.27 | crolab | i'm trying to complete compilation for wheezy |
| 19:04.36 | babilen | pianino_: Alternatively (if you want to use squeeze) you can install a newer kernel from backports. (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) -- Note that you need firmware too (firmware-iwlwifi) which you have to install from backports too. I would simply install wheezy. |
| 19:04.53 | crolab | sorry squeeze |
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| 19:06.14 | crolab | im trying to compile it for squeeze and have error with http://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib/window/XChangeWindowAttributes.html |
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| 19:07.36 | babilen | crolab: That is a web page not an error message. If you want our help you might want to paste the build log, but then we cannot fix the code of random projects. |
| 19:07.45 | babilen | (→ http://paste.debian.net ) |
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| 19:08.41 | gabgab | hello, seeking for some help to install grub on raid0 + dual boot |
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| 19:10.10 | babilen | gabgab: okay |
| 19:10.12 | pianino_ | Thus I try to install wheezy first |
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| 19:10.52 | babilen | pianino_: yes, use the firmware netinst from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/ |
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| 19:11.10 | babilen | gabgab: It is quite hard to help you without knowing your problem |
| 19:11.42 | gabgab | I encounter a problem when installing grub during debian process install |
| 19:12.04 | twinkie_addict | i upgraded to wheezy i was a little suprized when saw it used gnome 3 not bad though at all |
| 19:13.34 | twinkie_addict | though i did it through a clean install |
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| 19:16.18 | crolab | babilen: i made lots of changes to the original source code just to get it to work on 2.6.16 kernel with xfree86 - now on the 2.6.32 wheezy kernel and xorg-server 1.7.7 release date 2010-05-04 i get X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) Major opcode of failed request: 2 (X_ChangeWindowAttributes) |
| 19:16.42 | hellyeah | hey no sound at all i follow steps dpkg told but no result |
| 19:16.55 | hellyeah | what can i do |
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| 19:17.10 | crolab | i don't have a 'github' page - and was hoping someone might help work on it with me - i'd send them a tar of what i've done etc |
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| 19:20.10 | babilen | crolab: Ok, maybe you want to ask the upstream author about that? Or somebody who can help with the programming side of this. i really don't see how this is related to Debian at all. |
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| 19:21.26 | crolab | maybe you missed the part about it being on debian squeeze |
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| 19:21.47 | crolab | it compiles on other distros just fine |
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| 19:22.59 | babilen | crolab: I still haven't seen the build log |
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| 19:23.19 | pianino | THe download has been finished! Do I need to uninstall my current debian? and reboot my machine to load up with 'firmware-wheezy-Dl-rc1-amd64-netinst' |
| 19:23.43 | babilen | pianino: You don't have to remove it. Simply install it "over" the old one :) |
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| 19:25.10 | crolab | there is no build log - it compiles fine - it just gives that error when run and nothing in strace |
| 19:25.20 | supastuff | hi, is there a document somewhere which shows how to setup encrypted swap/root in manual mode upon install? I need it to be manual in order not to wipe out existing partitions |
| 19:25.58 | somiaj | babilen: oh yea, do you use that method? (: |
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| 19:26.16 | babilen | somiaj: which method? |
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| 19:27.23 | jhutchins_wk | I downder why he didn't just upgrade? |
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| 19:28.21 | hellyeah | there is no acroread package why? |
| 19:28.27 | crolab | in fact the compiled executable works on every system we have except the debian one - so what did you guys do to X lol |
| 19:28.47 | babilen | jhutchins_wk: It is a very new install without working network .. Feel free to talk him/her through it. I simply deemed it easier/faster/more likely to succeed with a new install |
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| 19:29.01 | crolab | the one compiled on the debian system ... works when copied to other systems just to be clear |
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| 19:29.44 | somiaj | babilen: installing over an old install. (: |
| 19:29.51 | hellyeah | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e17RiMwThNc |
| 19:29.52 | hellyeah | ops |
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| 19:30.59 | babilen | somiaj: I might have used it, but ... well .. not sure actually. Maybe to help somebody with a fresh start and a "guided" installation. I probably have during the annual install fest for our freshman |
| 19:31.06 | crolab | just another reason to debian |
| 19:31.06 | babilen | *shrug* |
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| 19:31.21 | babilen | hellyeah: ops indeed |
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| 19:32.21 | somiaj | babilen: I just found it as humuorous, ;) |
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| 19:35.51 | jhutchins_wk | Would you recommend formatting the disks for a reinstall like that? |
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| 19:37.41 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: depends on the situation/setup. I would just be weary of any ghosts hiding if you just install right on top of an old one. Though the new install will work just fine, you just may have old binaries/libs hiding around. |
| 19:37.49 | _DomY-Dom | Is there a really easy (in the sense that takes a small amount of time) to configure redirecting of example@example.com to example@gmail.com on a server which has a mail server and is using exim4 and courier? |
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| 19:39.08 | somiaj | _DomY-Dom: yea that is easy, might take a bit to learn how to do it in the paticular setup. |
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| 19:40.31 | somiaj | _DomY-Dom: in a simple case, seems you can use the /etc/aliases file, http://www.wheatleyfamily.net/forwarding-email-in-exim/ |
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| 19:40.40 | somiaj | so just add a line example: example@gmail.com |
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| 19:42.06 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: though I wonder what debconf would do when installing a new package but seeing an old/existing config file.... |
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| 19:44.45 | dgriffi | does anyone here use a Brother MFC-7360N? |
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| 19:45.06 | somiaj | dgriffi: do you have an actual question? |
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| 19:45.45 | dgriffi | somiaj: I'm having a problem with misaligned prints when using Wheezy, but not Squeeze. |
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| 19:45.59 | dgriffi | somiaj: I'm wondering if anyone else is using this printer under similar conditions |
| 19:46.14 | somiaj | dgriffi: are you using the same driver/configuration on both with cups? |
| 19:46.31 | dgriffi | somiaj: yes |
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| 19:47.09 | somiaj | that would be the first place I would check, make sure you are using the same model in both cases, sometimes just a slight difference can do that. |
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| 19:47.30 | somiaj | and you are positive it isn't a problem with the source (as opposed to the cups driver)? |
| 19:47.47 | dgriffi | somiaj: examine same driver packages (offered at Brother's web page) |
| 19:48.16 | dgriffi | somiaj: source meaning the document I'm trying to print? Yes, I'm sure there's no problem with that. tried printing the same file on both |
| 19:48.23 | somiaj | oh so these are third part drivers? You should try to get support from them. Maybe their drivers have an issue with the newer cups. |
| 19:48.42 | somiaj | dgriffi: well I'm thinking the actual program that is printing them. maybe the pageset up is missaligned |
| 19:49.31 | dgriffi | somiaj: the misalignment is that prints are shifted about 1cm up and 1cm right |
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| 19:50.34 | somiaj | what software are you using to print? |
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| 19:51.38 | dgriffi | somiaj: lpr, evince, atril, glabels... the problem is most obvious with glabels because proper alignment is critical for the application working or not |
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| 19:52.44 | dgriffi | somiaj: I also tried with a freshly-installed VM of Wheezy. same trouble |
| 19:52.48 | somiaj | I would suggest the BTS, but you are not using debian drivers but third part drivers so debian won't support those. I would try to get support from the drivers you are using. Maybe there is a slight issue with the version in wheezy. |
| 19:53.31 | dgriffi | somiaj: "BTS" == Brother Tech Support? |
| 19:54.09 | somiaj | no BTS = bug tracking system, if it was an issue with debian printer drivers that is where I would look. But you already said you are using third party drivers. debian will not support them. |
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| 19:54.55 | dgriffi | somiaj: oops. I opened a ticket there (#701954) and the general conclusion was that the source to the lpr driver is needed |
| 19:55.23 | somiaj | well it is easy to get the source for debian packages |
| 19:55.33 | somiaj | what did they say they needed the source for? |
| 19:56.12 | dgriffi | somiaj: they think perhaps the problem involves that.. and it hasn't been updated since 2011 |
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| 19:56.27 | ElDiabolo | Hi. I want to write a script that sends me a mail with a webcam pic and a traceroute if someone boots up my laptop without entering the correct cryptdisk password. What is an early hook in the boot process to do that ? |
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| 19:57.56 | avi143 | can i play music files from terminal. |
| 19:57.58 | somiaj | dgriffi: Yea read though that bug, yes I don't see why you are asking here, you got your answer from a debian matianer already. |
| 19:58.25 | somiaj | dgriffi: I see two things you do that make it hard to debug. First is the closed source drivers, which is why I said go get them to support it. |
| 19:58.26 | Aleks3Y | hey guys! I'm compiling my own kernel, but i can't figure out how to compile linux-libc-dev with it |
| 19:58.28 | dgriffi | somiaj: I'm just wondering if anyone is currently using that printer under Wheezy and has it working right. |
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| 19:59.01 | somiaj | dgriffi: second is you downgrade some package, I doubt that is the issue. But yea if you think it is a compadability with the newer cups, you may have to downgrade all of cups |
| 19:59.01 | ElDiabolo | I need working video4linux and a possibilty to spool mail. |
| 19:59.20 | frikinz | avi143: moc does it |
| 19:59.29 | Aleks3Y | i got two deb files, linux-headers and linux-image. I can install them, but linux-libc-dev is old... |
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| 20:00.04 | somiaj | Aleks3Y: where are you getting the kernel sources? |
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| 20:00.12 | somiaj | Aleks3Y: and how are you compling the kernel? |
| 20:00.44 | Aleks3Y | somiaj: from kernel.org with fakeroot make-kpkg |
| 20:01.41 | Aleks3Y | somiaj: i've tried just make-kpkg, but originally used: fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image kernel-headers modules_image |
| 20:02.01 | somiaj | Aleks3Y: what kernel version do you want? |
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| 20:02.47 | somiaj | Aleks3Y: I'm a bit weak on experience with newer kernels, but you possibaly need the debian soures with the debian/rules script to generate that package. My suggestion was to grab the source package from experimential if you wanted 3.8 |
| 20:03.19 | somiaj | also thought make-kpkg was not suggested any more interms of a make option provided in the actual mainline kernel |
| 20:03.20 | Aleks3Y | somiaj: i have debian/rules but don't see libc there... |
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| 20:04.08 | frikinz | I'm running 3.8 packaged in experimental on my laptop. works great |
| 20:04.13 | Aleks3Y | kernel: 3.8.2. Any ideas how to compile it the right way? i've read so much info and everything is different |
| 20:04.32 | Aleks3Y | frikinz: it's working - the problem is linux-libc-dev is old |
| 20:04.33 | frikinz | 3.8.2 exactly |
| 20:04.41 | frikinz | oh |
| 20:05.22 | frikinz | I see libc-dev 3.8.2 in experimental too |
| 20:05.32 | somiaj | Aleks3Y: add a deb-src for experimential, 'apt-get source linux' that should get the debian source package. Maybe look at that, because that source package will create the file |
| 20:05.47 | Aleks3Y | ok, let me try |
| 20:06.45 | somiaj | Aleks3Y: according to packages.debian.org that source package produces the right version of the libary you want, and that is a 3.8 kernel. I'm not sure if this is something done in the debian sources that doesn't come from the upstream sources though. |
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| 20:08.53 | Aleks3Y | ok, removing what i did, and will try from dedian source |
| 20:09.12 | Aleks3Y | never did it before :) will it generate deb files? coz i have few servers i need to install it on? |
| 20:09.25 | somiaj | Aleks3Y: might want to compare the two debian/ or grep for that name in the debian/ dir and see what you can find. |
| 20:09.52 | somiaj | Aleks3Y: yes, a debian source package contains the original upstream source + all debian patches and the debian/ as provided by the matainer |
| 20:10.11 | somiaj | Aleks3Y: you can actually use apt-get -b source linux (it will build it all in one command) |
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| 20:10.40 | Aleks3Y | need to change a lot in config) |
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| 20:12.17 | somiaj | Aleks3Y: I was more suggesting that as something to compare the debian/ and see if you can figure out how/why to create the package you are missing |
| 20:12.32 | somiaj | but yes, if you want to just take the debian source (with debian patches) and modify the config, this is the way to do it |
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| 20:13.05 | somiaj | there is also a linux-source package, but I belive the source package will contain all the info required to build all debian packages from that source |
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| 20:16.54 | Aleks3Y | so, i guess i need linux-source-3.8 ? |
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| 20:20.35 | Aleks3Y | downloaded it via aptitude install linux-source-3.8? - is it ok? |
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| 20:22.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell Aleks3Y -about kernel handbook |
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| 20:26.16 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 20:26.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.2-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.39-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.35-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 20:29.49 | Aleks3Y | looks ok with debian source. libc was created |
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| 20:33.08 | booyah | I installed ubuntu packages on Debian and now I think I ruined my computer |
| 20:33.30 | nkuttler | booyah: easy to fix, just reinstall |
| 20:33.33 | mtn | booyah: way to go! no you get to keep the peices |
| 20:33.41 | mtn | no=now |
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| 20:36.31 | babilen | booyah: Just don't do that again in the future. There are /always/ better options. |
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| 20:37.26 | DarkKnightCZ | hi, anybody knows how to solve "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" issue? it worked without problem before, its not user-specific |
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| 20:37.35 | babilen | booyah: There might be something we can do, but you would have to provide more information about your system (e.g. sources.list) and the actual problem on http://paste.debian.net -- It might very well be necessary to reinstall the system though. (see "/msg dpkg install wheezy" and "/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy" for instructions on how to do that) |
| 20:37.38 | DarkKnightCZ | other server services works as usual |
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| 20:38.41 | nkuttler | DarkKnightCZ: ssh -vvv, check log on server, etc |
| 20:39.40 | penguin1 | Interesting question: What kernel append is needed for launching the debian installer in unattended / preseed mode? |
| 20:40.22 | DarkKnightCZ | nkuttler: i cannot check log on server, i cannot log into server :), -vvv output is here - http://pastebin.com/PbEFautp |
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| 20:41.15 | jhutchins_wk | DarkKnightCZ: Worked before what? |
| 20:41.31 | DarkKnightCZ | before several hours ago... no changes on server, no changes on clients |
| 20:41.57 | nkuttler | DarkKnightCZ: well you'll need the server logs to see why the connection is closed i guess.. |
| 20:42.12 | DarkKnightCZ | server is not overloaded, halted, ddosed, every service works as usual except this one |
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| 20:42.15 | nkuttler | DarkKnightCZ: time to call your hoster |
| 20:42.25 | DarkKnightCZ | yeeah |
| 20:42.30 | nkuttler | don't you have some kind of rescue console? |
| 20:43.09 | booyah | babilen: I'm not near the computer, but what's the worst that can happen? Usually this can be fixed with apt-get install -f? |
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| 20:43.26 | DarkKnightCZ | well, its not exactly hosted in proper housing :) |
| 20:43.39 | nkuttler | booyah: who knows.. you could have pulled in a new libc |
| 20:44.26 | DarkKnightCZ | could someone of you try to ssh the server to determine, if its ip-based? |
| 20:44.32 | jhutchins_wk | booyah: You get the opportunity to run the installer again! |
| 20:44.41 | nkuttler | DarkKnightCZ: you want to share your password? |
| 20:45.08 | DarkKnightCZ | nope, just if you gain access to login prompt |
| 20:45.26 | nkuttler | DarkKnightCZ: pm me the host if you like |
| 20:45.31 | DarkKnightCZ | thanks |
| 20:46.09 | jhutchins_wk | DarkKnightCZ: Clearly, SOMETHING changed. If it's absolutely not on the server and absolutely not on the client then it's somewhere in between. |
| 20:46.30 | nkuttler | DarkKnightCZ: yeah, i get a password prompt |
| 20:46.39 | DarkKnightCZ | nice, so its ip based |
| 20:47.14 | nkuttler | you probably got yourself on a blacklist.. if it's denyhosts iirc it's limited to 30 minutes, but who knows.. |
| 20:47.20 | jhutchins_wk | DarkKnightCZ: Do you have something like fail2ban installed? |
| 20:47.30 | DarkKnightCZ | yeeah :) |
| 20:47.31 | nkuttler | or was fail2ban 30 minutes.. hm.. |
| 20:48.02 | jhutchins_wk | nkuttler: iirc it can be permanent. |
| 20:48.12 | babilen | booyah: NO, it can most likely not fixed with "apt-get -f install" (-f == --fix-broken and simply installs missing dependencies) -- Mixing Debian and Ubuntu can/will break your system and is also not a supported configuration. I wouldn't recommend to do it. |
| 20:48.15 | nkuttler | jhutchins_wk: yeah, but i think it defaults to 30 minutes |
| 20:48.20 | DarkKnightCZ | i dont think i have perm-based config |
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| 20:48.46 | DarkKnightCZ | nkuttler - you can try port 22 with user root and pass 12345 (i think its something like that)? |
| 20:48.55 | nkuttler | DarkKnightCZ: heh |
| 20:49.19 | booyah | babilen: Why? isn't Ubuntu just Debian under the hood? |
| 20:49.27 | nkuttler | DarkKnightCZ: Connection refused |
| 20:49.38 | DarkKnightCZ | damn, so kippo is down |
| 20:49.39 | booyah | babilen: To be clear, I know not to do it now |
| 20:49.45 | booyah | I'm just wondering why it breaks |
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| 20:49.56 | mtn | booyah: they are very different |
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| 20:50.07 | booyah | mtn: how so? |
| 20:50.26 | mtn | booyah: lots of ways, most files are different one way or the other |
| 20:50.41 | DarkKnightCZ | i will just try to wait several minutes :) thanks again for discovering its ip-based :) |
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| 20:51.42 | penguin1 | What http server is good for serving simple static content, not much, just some static content? |
| 20:51.44 | mtn | booyah: they take debian and then bend, fold, and mutilate :) |
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| 20:52.14 | jelly-home | mtn: and debian is a very nice platform to do that |
| 20:52.29 | mtn | jelly-home: indeed |
| 20:53.05 | DarkKnightCZ | penguin1: nginx is pretty good, but you could use every other low-level http server |
| 20:53.59 | penguin1 | DarkKnightCZ: I need something very very simple. A dumb http server |
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| 20:54.44 | jelly-home | so try that one and if it works, you're set |
| 20:54.58 | DarkKnightCZ | penguin1: well, then use python's webserver, if you know python :) |
| 20:55.17 | DarkKnightCZ | like this - http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/tech-tip-really-simple-http-server-python |
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| 20:56.13 | frikinz | there's boa also |
| 20:56.33 | jhutchins_wk | penguin1: I would recommend using Apache. It's well documented and well understood, works out-of-the-box, and lots of people can help you if you have trouble with it. Using something obscure just because it's "lighter" really doesn't give you much advantage over all. |
| 20:56.45 | amgarchIn9 | Hi! Is there any way to find out what exactly takes 12.52% of cycles in libm? Other libm symbols like sin/cos are resolved, this one not: http://pastebin.ca/2331885 That is "perf" profiler. |
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| 20:59.26 | aguitel | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.50 | jhutchins_wk | !radeon |
| 20:59.50 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 21:00.14 | jhutchins_wk | !fglrx |
| 21:00.14 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon HD and FirePro graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:12-6~beta-1, R600 and R700 based GPUs (Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series) are no longer supported; use the <radeon> driver for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:02.23 | frikinz | amgarchIn9: nm could give you the offset of some symbols within the .so and you would need the base adress of where it is in your system |
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| 21:04.08 | Canar | aguitel: Have firmware-linux-nonfree installed from the non-free repo? |
| 21:04.47 | aguitel | Canar, yes |
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| 21:08.30 | Twinkletoes | I had to install squeeze without networking and am trying to configure a wireless conncetion, but can't seem to get it right |
| 21:08.44 | somiaj | Aleks3Y: linux-source-3.8 is a package that installs the source on your machine. This is different than a source package, but in this case they are closely related. |
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| 21:09.11 | Twinkletoes | Isn't there any way to reconfigure networking ala setup, using dpkg? |
| 21:09.40 | Aleks3Y | somiaj: i couldn't install as you said, via apt-get source linux - error was sonmething like no such source, but all good now ;) thanks a lot |
| 21:09.44 | zophy | how can i get bash to execute a script automatically when i logout ? |
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| 21:09.58 | somiaj | Aleks3Y: did you add a deb-src line? |
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| 21:10.33 | frikinz | I never remember the difference between fetching the kernel deb-src and kernel-source packages |
| 21:11.00 | berzerka | jhutchins_wk, DAMNIT! rams are not the problem. it is not a thermal problem. i set all the variable clock settings manually to the defaults as far as possible. ran 4x cpuburn without any core getting above 55 degrees.. still, e.g. while randomly marking-and-dragging in dwb or firefox freezes the whole box. |
| 21:11.03 | Aleks3Y | somiaj: yes |
| 21:11.29 | berzerka | maybe this isn't offtopic after all? :/ |
| 21:11.49 | frikinz | Aleks3Y: followed by apt-get update right |
| 21:12.01 | Aleks3Y | right :) |
| 21:12.11 | berzerka | somehow i suspect it is the xorg intel driver... |
| 21:12.14 | Aleks3Y | when i install linux-source-3.8 - it downloaded it from experemental |
| 21:12.22 | somiaj | Aleks3Y: well the source packge is called 'linux' according to packages.debian.org, maybe you need to add a -t experimental to that |
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| 21:12.41 | somiaj | Aleks3Y: either way looks like it works, I was just surprised you couldn't get the source package |
| 21:13.22 | Aleks3Y | maybe, anyway - it's all good now :P |
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| 21:14.26 | jhutchins_wk | berzerka: Intel drivers are pretty stable, but Intel's been pushing the API a bit lately. |
| 21:14.52 | jhutchins_wk | berzerka: You say firefox. WHich version? And which version of Debian? |
| 21:15.06 | berzerka | jhutchins_wk, well, its a fresh wheezy install. |
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| 21:15.37 | jhutchins_wk | berzerka: So Debian Iceweasel or Mozilla Firefox? |
| 21:16.12 | berzerka | jhutchins_wk, iceweasel, of course. |
| 21:16.26 | jhutchins_wk | Can you access a console when it freezes? |
| 21:16.42 | berzerka | jhutchins_wk, no, nothing, no ssh, no ping. total freeze. |
| 21:17.17 | jhutchins_wk | When that sort of thing happens it very rarely logs anything useful because the logs freeze too. |
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| 21:17.29 | jhutchins_wk | berzerka: I presume gnome or you would have said something. |
| 21:17.43 | berzerka | jhutchins_wk, happens in i3 as well as xfce. |
| 21:18.00 | berzerka | jhutchins_wk, no gnome installed. |
| 21:18.01 | jhutchins_wk | Well, there goes my suggestion then. |
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| 21:18.37 | berzerka | jhutchins_wk, let me try hard to reproduce. i hate random failure... |
| 21:19.29 | jhutchins_wk | berzerka: Have you done a completely clean cycle yet? Boot, do stuff but don't freeze, reboot? |
| 21:19.55 | berzerka | jhutchins_wk, hmmm now that you say it, i think i havent. lets see. rebooting now. |
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| 21:20.38 | jhutchins_wk | berzerka: I would suggest shutdown -Fr now - check the disk (provide some activity). |
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| 21:22.24 | amgarchIn9 | frikinz: thanks! I see offsets, but have no idea how to get a base address of a shared lib. Isnt it random on every program startup? |
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| 21:23.38 | pzn | I have a document digitally signed by an A3 certificate from ICP-Brazil trust chain... which package in debian can I use to check this signature? |
| 21:24.26 | berzerka | jhutchins_wk, wrote about 500Mb random data to each disk. root is on ssd, /home /var on hdd, /tmp /run /var/lock on tmpfs. |
| 21:24.35 | berzerka | jhutchins_wk, now lets shutdown -Fr.. |
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| 21:26.23 | berzerka | jhutchins_wk, no errors during fsck. |
| 21:26.53 | berzerka | jhutchins_wk, however, when writing to the ssd, i just noticed with iotop that i only write with 13-14Mb/s. that seems pretty odd. |
| 21:27.14 | frikinz | amgarchIn9: for a shared library it should be the same as soon as its in use. not sure how to get it though |
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| 21:27.15 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 21:27.27 | Twinkletoes | Can anyone confirm if (I haevb the wireless-tools package installed), I should be using the wireless- commands in the interfaces file? |
| 21:27.47 | ZenWalker | md5sum on cd disk, uses with unit mount or unmount? |
| 21:28.36 | frikinz | amgarchIn9: /proc/self/maps maybe |
| 21:28.54 | berzerka | jhutchins_wk, to note: bios detected my rams as 1333, however, they are definitely 1600Mhz and the board also supports 1600 rams. |
| 21:29.26 | berzerka | jhutchins_wk, so i manually set the 1600 in the bios. when memtest ran without errors they were also clocked at 1600 so i don't think that is it.. |
| 21:29.33 | frikinz | amgarchIn9: or /proc/<PID>/smaps maybe :) |
| 21:30.55 | penguin1 | jhutchins_wk: I like apache2, too. I hear many times in web that nginx is faster and more secure (not so bloated) than apache2. What do you think about that? |
| 21:31.16 | amgarchIn9 | this gives a lot of entries cat /proc/*/maps | grep libm-2.15 | sort | uniq |
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| 21:31.54 | somiaj | Twinkletoes: it depends, are you on a wpa network, in that case you want to use wpasupplicant and wpa-foo |
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| 21:34.56 | penguin1 | How can I get a tar.gz instead of an iso for debian businesscard? |
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| 21:35.39 | somiaj | penguin1: why do you want it tar.gz format? Anyreason you cannot just mount the iso as a loopback device to get the files off it that way |
| 21:35.44 | jhutchins_wk | penguin1: I think the thousands or millions of apache servers argue that it can be successfully secured. |
| 21:35.50 | somiaj | note a tar.gz won't contain the mbr to make it bootable |
| 21:36.04 | jhutchins_wk | penguin1: Benchmarks are, well, everybody has one. |
| 21:36.15 | penguin1 | jhutchins_wk: what do you think about nginx? I find it a little bit too leightweight |
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| 21:36.18 | penguin1 | *lightweight |
| 21:36.24 | fredl | hey folks. |
| 21:36.25 | penguin1 | somiaj: there are no tar gz files, right? |
| 21:36.41 | fredl | is it still possible that wheezy gets affected by the leap second bug? |
| 21:36.49 | jhutchins_wk | penguin1: I know that when people have problems with it they have a hard time finding help. |
| 21:36.54 | somiaj | penguin1: I don't see why there would be. The isntall media needs to contain not only the files (what would be in a .tar) but also the ability to boot |
| 21:37.19 | somiaj | fredl: check the BTS if you are really courious. |
| 21:37.26 | fredl | we're running 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.35-2 x86_64 and have been seeing the weirdest things |
| 21:38.12 | frikinz | amgarchIn9: smaps looks like gives you the start_adressx-....[..] offsetx so base is start-offset |
| 21:38.21 | fredl | I'm not just curious somiaj, I'd like to know as we are setting up more and more wheezy servers nowadays. |
| 21:39.07 | fredl | BTW, what kind of wording is that 'if you are really curious'? Of course I am, or would I ask? |
| 21:39.12 | somiaj | fredl: Do you know what the bug effects? Do you know when it was fixed? You can check changelogs and the BTS to answer this question is what I"m saying. |
| 21:39.54 | jhutchins_wk | fredl: I don't think you understand what the "leap second bug" was at ALL. |
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| 21:40.14 | fredl | oh, really? |
| 21:40.29 | frikinz | amgarchIn9: man proc for the details |
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| 21:41.30 | jhutchins_wk | fredl: Among other things, a leap second bug would require ... |
| 21:41.33 | Twinkletoes | somiaj: Thank you for that - is there anywhere where it lists the correct commands to put in for wlan0 in interfaces? |
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| 21:41.38 | frikinz | amgarchIn9: at best you will know in which function it is. you would need to disassemble libm to know which opcodes takes cpu |
| 21:41.40 | fredl | let's see, we have a mysql server with 48 cores and 64GB memory. It is really not doing much, hardly any queries, hardly any io activity. Suddenly the load shoots up to 100+ and all 48 cores seem to be 99% busy in system calls. |
| 21:41.48 | jhutchins_wk | fredl: ... a leap second!!! |
| 21:42.05 | fredl | the *symptoms* resemble the exact symptoms of the leap second bug. |
| 21:42.09 | somiaj | Twinkletoes: I never found a single resource, but it wasn't difficult for me to track down the syntax for both wep and wpa networks for my wlan0 |
| 21:42.22 | Twinkletoes | somiaj: ok - thanks :) |
| 21:42.42 | somiaj | Twinkletoes: I just was pointing out there is a differnce in syntax depending on open/wep networks vs wpa networks |
| 21:42.57 | Twinkletoes | somiaj: Yeah - thanks... and this is wpa |
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| 21:42.58 | jhutchins_wk | fredl: Suggest you do some more reading. |
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| 21:45.24 | fredl | I know what a leap second is, it's when the time goes from 23:59:59 to 23:59:60 instead of 00:00:00 |
| 21:45.27 | frikinz | have to keep in mind this cause for exaplaining my bugs. the leap second. its even better than the heavy ion like curiosity got |
| 21:46.00 | jhutchins_wk | Because, y'know, our last leap second may have been in July, but YOU NEVER KNOW!!! |
| 21:46.21 | fredl | and it happened on June 30th last year. |
| 21:46.56 | tremon | how do you know it's spinning in a syscall? or do you mean in-kernel? |
| 21:46.57 | jhutchins_wk | fredl: Gotta watch those leap seconds. THey'll just leap out there any ol' time. |
| 21:46.59 | fredl | look at the symptoms though. |
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| 21:47.34 | fredl | tremon - in top, '1', and then seeing all cores locked up in sys CPU |
| 21:47.42 | jhutchins_wk | fredl: If my towel is wet, should I conclude that it's raining, even though I am indoors? The symptoms are the same. |
| 21:47.54 | berzerka | screw it i'll build my own kernel first. |
| 21:48.01 | tremon | ah, sys -- but that's any process in-kernel |
| 21:48.53 | berzerka | what could be a reason for my SSD being so slow? cat /dev/urandom > test writes only 13mb/s... |
| 21:49.22 | somiaj | berzerka: SATA cable? SATA controler? |
| 21:49.49 | fredl | indeed. The bizarre thing seems to be; we had this happen to one server which has an older SUSE install with a much older kernel. We exchanged the server with a somewhat faster hardware and a much newer OS (Debian Squeeze) but it seemed to happen again. |
| 21:50.02 | somiaj | berzerka: try it with /dev/zero (not sure if there is a bottle neck in creating random numbers) |
| 21:50.25 | fredl | Now we installed much more powerful hardware with Wheezy and we're *still* experiencing the same problem. |
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| 21:50.30 | tremon | fredl: 48-cores is not a regular deployment, it could very well be a mysql or kernel scheduler bug |
| 21:50.36 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: I was wondering about that myself. |
| 21:50.45 | berzerka | somiaj, thought about that, |
| 21:50.45 | packetfrog | Do i need to download all of the debian cd iso's Or can i just download cd1 and install? |
| 21:50.54 | berzerka | somiaj, and you are right. -.- |
| 21:51.06 | tremon | fredl: if you throw more powerful hardware at a spinloop, it'll just spin faster ;) |
| 21:51.09 | jhutchins_wk | fredl: Are there elements of the system that are the same? SAN? |
| 21:51.16 | fredl | tremon - we've been seeing the same thing on 3 different servers with 3 different OS'es. |
| 21:51.21 | berzerka | somiaj, how difficult can a mersenne twister be for a 2.8 ghz cpu, i thought, but it really seems to be the bottleneck. |
| 21:51.23 | somiaj | berzerka: 13mb/s is a lot of random numbers the cpu has to figure out. |
| 21:51.31 | packetfrog | nevermind |
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| 21:51.59 | jhutchins_wk | fredl: What do they all have in common? |
| 21:52.01 | berzerka | ok with 8gb written in short time, lets reboot and fsck. |
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| 21:52.24 | fredl | nope, no SAN, local disks. Not even the network is the same as DB connections used to come in over another switch while with the current server I bonded two gig interfaces on a Cisco switch |
| 21:53.01 | fredl | what they do however have in common is the PHP software, Drupal and a home-written library |
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| 21:53.28 | amgarchIn9 | frikinz: I was mislead by "perf" showing me sin/cos/erf symbols. If I install libc6-dbg more of them are shown: http://pastebin.ca/2331917 Must have been exp/log helpers. |
| 21:53.50 | fredl | that was my first thought actually that some programmer had introduced a huge-ass query that made the server go ballistic. |
| 21:54.10 | frikinz | amgarchIn9: yes that was a much better approach.. |
| 21:54.21 | berzerka | no errors.. off to building a 3.8 kernel, if noone has any suggestions anymore :/ |
| 21:54.42 | tremon | fredl: most sql queries will max out the i/o paths before maxing out the cpu, even if the dataset fits in ram |
| 21:54.52 | somiaj | berzerka: what was your error/issue? |
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| 21:55.04 | amgarchIn9 | what are those *-dbg packages anyway? Do I get performance penalty if i install them? |
| 21:55.09 | berzerka | somiaj, sudden death. |
| 21:55.15 | jhutchins_wk | fredl: Which my.cfg did you use? Have you done any tuning? |
| 21:55.24 | fredl | correct, when I see loads of 100+ the first thing I look at is iostat but no luck. In fact the IO was virtually non-existent |
| 21:55.32 | somiaj | berzerka: have you ran memtest86? Video ram can sometimes do strange things |
| 21:55.38 | berzerka | somiaj, total freeze, non-reproducible. no network, no nothing. rams are fine and it is not thermal related. |
| 21:55.58 | jhutchins_wk | fredl: drupal is pretty much the answer. You need to tune the sql buffers for it. |
| 21:56.16 | fredl | jhutchins_wk, yes we made a local cfg file in /etc/mysql/conf.d to supplement the default config |
| 21:56.27 | berzerka | somiaj, speedstep seems to work fine, ran 4 cpuburn instances, everything cool. |
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| 21:56.35 | somiaj | berzerka: well could be a bad driver, but any time I ever had situations like that it always turned out to be hardware. My last nvidia card use to do random crashes |
| 21:56.43 | fredl | hang on, lemme cut and paste the mysqltuner output |
| 21:57.06 | somiaj | berzerka: because I was using the sid drivers took me about a month of testing to finally decided bad hardware, and sure enough I got a full RMA on the card |
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| 21:57.42 | berzerka | somiaj, well if the cpu is flaky i think cpuburn over half an hour should trigger it, don't you? |
| 21:57.53 | berzerka | somiaj, memtest ran without errors. |
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| 21:58.10 | somiaj | berzerka: maybe it is a bad video card (you said the crashes always happen in X with graphics?) |
| 21:58.14 | fredl | jhutchins_wk, http://pastebin.ca/2331919 |
| 21:58.37 | somiaj | berzerka: sometimes small hardware bugs are hard to diagnose but sure a pain in the ass. I wasn't able to do any 3d operations for a month and thought it was the video drivers, turns out it wasn't |
| 21:58.40 | jhutchins_wk | fredl: https://github.com/rackerhacker/MySQLTuner-perl |
| 21:58.42 | berzerka | somiaj, well it is an integrated intel hd graphics 2500 on the i3 cpu (3220T). |
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| 21:58.50 | tremon | berzerka: I'd put my money on graphics or maybe even networking firmware, although any motherboard defect will give the same effect |
| 21:59.00 | somiaj | yea but if only a small bug in the video portion of it, the main cpu may not notice it |
| 21:59.02 | fredl | jhutchins_wk, there's tons of queries that save rather large temp tables hence the temporary tables but those are on a ramdisk |
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| 21:59.14 | berzerka | somiaj, right.. |
| 21:59.38 | fredl | I take no responsibility for the quality of the queries themselves :) |
| 21:59.39 | philluminati | Help guys. A day or two ago I did 'aptitude update; aptitude upgrade' on my debian stable (no backports or any source.list modification) and yet X won't start for me |
| 21:59.40 | berzerka | somiaj, there seem to be some gl issues as well, but i thought that was wine and configuration related. |
| 21:59.43 | philluminati | I didn't get a new kernel |
| 22:00.00 | philluminati | I think gnome-policy-authorisation or something has gone wierd |
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| 22:00.26 | somiaj | philluminati: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and figure out why it won't start |
| 22:00.31 | somiaj | 'it won't start' is not useful at all |
| 22:00.49 | fredl | jhutchins_wk, is that mysqltuner.pl you gave the link to substantially different than the mysqltuner package in Debian? |
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| 22:01.01 | berzerka | i wonder how i can trigger the failure somehow. i fail to reproduce it at all... very strange. |
| 22:01.12 | philluminati | ok.. since I only one terminal (I'm in recovery mode) how can I put irssi into the background with losing my connection please? |
| 22:01.26 | jhutchins_wk | fredl: I can't recommend that script highly enoug if you're running drupal. Dunno about the package in Debian, that one evolved from some work by the mysql team. |
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| 22:01.32 | somiaj | philluminati: alt-f2 won't open another terminal |
| 22:01.40 | philluminati | somiaj: no |
| 22:01.46 | fredl | okay I'll check it out then. |
| 22:01.51 | fredl | tnx. |
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| 22:02.01 | somiaj | philluminati: well ctrl-z stops a process. you can type 'fg' to bring it back |
| 22:02.09 | beepie | rsync --progress -ah debian.iso to a usb device, (i'd like to have a progress bar), good idea? |
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| 22:02.12 | abrotman | or use screen if that's installed |
| 22:02.13 | berzerka | tremon, hmm networking firmware is from the wheezy non-free repo, firmware-realtek |
| 22:02.16 | somiaj | though you may get some unexpected results and should be running things in screen |
| 22:02.20 | philluminati | ctrl-z doesn't work with irssi |
| 22:02.24 | tremon | berzerka: just fyi, my last freeze was because of a fried usb port. As soon as anything was plugged into that port, everything would lock up |
| 22:02.28 | philluminati | it typically just disconnects |
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| 22:02.41 | philluminati | I'll disconnect, start screen and come back again after I've read the logs.. |
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| 22:03.05 | tremon | my mother's machine gets equally panicky if you fiddle with the ps/2 port |
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| 22:03.12 | berzerka | tremon, ok. i will try to unplug anything but keyboard and switch ports. |
| 22:03.55 | beepie | anyone knows of a way to get a progress bar with a copy command? |
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| 22:04.27 | tremon | fredl: not your concern right now, but Joins performed without indexes: 52155 |
| 22:04.33 | berzerka | beepie, i read about that some days ago, use rsync --progress |
| 22:04.47 | day | is debian going to adapt MIR? |
| 22:04.59 | tremon | beepie: https://chris-lamb.co.uk/posts/can-you-get-cp-to-give-a-progress-bar-like-wget |
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| 22:05.07 | fredl | tremon - I'm aware of those, those joins are rather impossible to index, that's why I made a fairly big ramdisk for the temp tables. |
| 22:05.18 | zykotick9 | day: you must be kidding |
| 22:05.41 | fredl | jhutchins_wk, I installed it but it appears to be the exact same script as is packaged in Debian |
| 22:05.42 | day | zykotick9: i knew this question might be risky. I take that as a no? |
| 22:05.58 | fredl | jhutchins_wk, at least it gives a completely identical output :) |
| 22:06.07 | abrotman | day: a) it was just announced a week ago? b) few of us are DDs |
| 22:06.10 | zykotick9 | day: well, i'm no DD, so i have no "real" idea. but common sense would suggest not. |
| 22:06.20 | jhutchins_wk | fredl: It's the same script. |
| 22:06.33 | fredl | yup and same version even in wheezy. |
| 22:06.34 | tremon | day: debian isn't a leader in such, if mir gains traction debian will follow. I consider the likelyhood of that happening very small though |
| 22:06.39 | day | abrotman: sorry i tried googling it...the issue is "mir" is a common german word :P |
| 22:07.04 | abrotman | day: that's great and all, but at this point .. think about this .. how many distros use Xorg, how many use Wayland, how many use Mir ? |
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| 22:07.07 | fredl | that said, other than the problem tremon just indicated, I see no problems in this config, do you? |
| 22:07.20 | DanDare | Im DD.... DanDare |
| 22:07.22 | fredl | maybe I'd better head over to #mysql for this one. |
| 22:07.24 | tremon | fredl: I don't think the problem is in the config |
| 22:07.34 | jhutchins_wk | I imagine Debian will stick with xorg for quite a while, but that mir and weyland may become available if they become mature, stable, and well supported. |
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| 22:07.53 | day | abrotman: but wayland started because people thought xorg is outdated and needs to be updated (im not sure why, but that doesnt matter) |
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| 22:08.10 | fredl | tremon, the most logical explanation is a faulty query.... |
| 22:08.13 | abrotman | day: and to further that, why does Mir exist? |
| 22:08.18 | day | abrotman: considering that MIR probably surpassed wayland already its only logical to adapt mir over wayland, isnt it? |
| 22:08.20 | jhutchins_wk | fredl: So the best way to use that script is to run it in a daily cron job, make the adjustments it suggests and see what it does. |
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| 22:08.46 | tremon | fredl: no, the most logical explanation is faulty locking semantics. A query doesn't consume all 64 cores |
| 22:08.50 | abrotman | day: already? it's a week old! |
| 22:08.52 | day | abrotman: does it matter at this point? its already programmed. just look at status q and make the best of it |
| 22:09.13 | jhutchins_wk | day: xorg is under fairly constant development, so hardly outdated. |
| 22:09.19 | tremon | fredl: all imho, of course. I never worked with mysql or more than 12 cores |
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| 22:09.25 | abrotman | day: I can't see this happening for jessie (the release after wheezy) .. check back in two years |
| 22:09.28 | day | abrotman: i thought they pumped lots of development into it before announcing it |
| 22:09.39 | fredl | tremon the previous servers didn't have 48 cores. |
| 22:10.06 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: It's pretty easy to google "mysql cpu spikes" |
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| 22:10.28 | berzerka | MIR is developed by canonical under their contributor license agreement. i hope this makes it practically non-existent from debians perspective..? |
| 22:10.41 | abrotman | day: i honestly don't see why everyone is in a hurry to replace Xorg |
| 22:10.45 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: You will get hits for drupal - on the drupal site in fact - and stories about successfully tuning the buffers. |
| 22:10.50 | tremon | jhutchins_wk: that they are common doesn't mean it's automatically operator error :) |
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| 22:11.44 | tremon | fredl: I'd go with jhutchins_wk on this one :) |
| 22:11.56 | fredl | jhutchins_wk, well the second hit on 'mysql cpu spikes' mentions the leap second :) |
| 22:12.10 | day | w/e lets wait and see what the future brings us :P |
| 22:12.18 | DanDare | replace Xorg? Now that im being used to it :( |
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| 22:13.21 | fredl | well going out on a limb here, the leap second bug gets hit because ntp sees a sudden 1s. time shift, correct? |
| 22:13.38 | gerlosgm | hello everyone! Do you know how to change the message that appears on the console BEFORE login prompt? I'm running some virtual machines for networking experiments, and need to know their ip addresses right after boot, without the need to login |
| 22:14.08 | jhutchins_wk | fredl: THERE IS NO LEAP SECOND! |
| 22:14.10 | tremon | fredl: unless your servers think it's June 2012, leap seconds are not your problem |
| 22:14.52 | fredl | Agreed, but I'm talking about the effect of it, a sudden 1s. or so time shift. ntpd could cause that couldn't it? |
| 22:15.09 | tremon | no, ntpd uses clock skewing |
| 22:15.13 | berzerka | gerlosgm, /etc/issue |
| 22:15.15 | tremon | ntpdate can cause it |
| 22:15.21 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: Even if his servers thought it was last June, there isn't a leap second on the time network, so it doesn't matter. |
| 22:15.25 | DanDare | gerlosgm, the login motd is located at /etc/motd file |
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| 22:16.03 | fredl | well I'd be most annoyed if somebody were introducting extra leap seconds on the time network :P |
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| 22:16.28 | gerlosgm | berzerka: many thanks, /etc/issue was really what I was looking for!!! |
| 22:16.36 | jhutchins_wk | chalks it up to a frumious Bandersnatch and heads off for a beer. |
| 22:16.48 | berzerka | gerlosgm, you are welcome. |
| 22:17.28 | fredl | anyway, mysqltuner is one of the first things I look at when there's any problems on a mysql server, and then some. This server is brand new and has a rather unusual amount of resources so it could well be off a little bit.... |
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| 22:18.41 | fredl | I don't think it'll be off that much though for this to happen, so I'll continue my search on the #mysql channel. |
| 22:18.55 | fredl | thanks guys :) |
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| 22:19.30 | frikinz | is it planned that debian upgrade to mariadb? |
| 22:19.54 | abrotman | you mean offer packages for? |
| 22:20.25 | abrotman | dpkg: dbugs 565308 |
| 22:20.34 | dpkg | #565308:W[wnpp] ITP: mariadb-server-core-5.5 -- MariaDB dropin alt server (); Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:54:05 UTC [688505] |
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| 22:21.30 | frikinz | something comparable to fedora "replace mysql with mariadb" |
| 22:21.47 | frikinz | abrotman: thanks. wish dpkg would generate a link :) |
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| 22:22.21 | twinkie_addict | why whould syaptic check fo a new version of ubuntu ? this is debian right |
| 22:22.31 | abrotman | frikinz: bugs.debian.org/<bugnumber> |
| 22:22.34 | philluminati | Ok I'm back. Problem. X won't start on debian stable |
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| 22:22.48 | philluminati | from /var/log/X.org.log |
| 22:23.00 | philluminati | sorry Xorg.0.log |
| 22:23.16 | philluminati | it looks like the nvidia driver cannot connect to the acpi daemon |
| 22:23.50 | philluminati | basically the system leaves me at a blank screen after X starts and the monitor suggests there is no input |
| 22:23.55 | philluminati | (or output from the computer) |
| 22:24.27 | philluminati | Any thoughts from anyone? I don't really know anything about acpi |
| 22:25.11 | tremon | philluminati: paste your log please, and /etc/X11/xorg.conf{,.d/*} |
| 22:25.36 | frikinz | twinkie_addict: this one? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=666869 |
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| 22:27.10 | twinkie_addict | yeh i just set it to never |
| 22:27.16 | fredl | *sigh* |
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| 22:28.45 | glennpratt | Trying to use dpkg-buildpackage to update a package, works fine, but if I bump the version in changelog, I get dpkg-genchanges: error: cannot read ../libapache2-mod-xsendfile_0.12-2.dsc: No such file or directory |
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| 22:29.11 | zmitya | hi guys |
| 22:29.39 | zmitya | is it possible to DNAT 192.168.1.x to 10.1.1.x in one iptables rule ? |
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| 22:30.02 | philluminati | http://paste.debian.net/241572 # X log |
| 22:31.49 | aguitel | how install this driver ? http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/fglrx-legacy-driver |
| 22:32.00 | tremon | philluminati: if that is the full log, X never starts |
| 22:32.12 | tremon | the driver appears to be waiting for the card to initialize |
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| 22:34.15 | berzerka | ok guys i am desperate. i am now running 4x cpuburn. periodic hdparm -tT on both disks. have two xservers running, with videos playing in both of them, as well as music playing from an internet stream. the crash is not reproducible. any ideas how to stresstest differently or components i am missing? |
| 22:34.59 | abrotman | berzerka: you realize it could be a single bad instruction, right ? |
| 22:35.06 | Towzzer | have you memtested? |
| 22:35.12 | berzerka | Towzzer, yes. |
| 22:35.15 | Towzzer | how many passes |
| 22:35.20 | gerlosgm | berzerka: are you sure your RAM is OK? |
| 22:35.24 | berzerka | Towzzer, just one, actually. |
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| 22:35.29 | Towzzer | do 3 |
| 22:35.33 | abrotman | 4! |
| 22:35.53 | Towzzer | don't listen to him, his lies know no bounds and his deception is unboundable |
| 22:36.00 | abrotman | berzerka: have you tried some GL stuff? |
| 22:36.10 | tremon | berzerka: I always let memtest run overnight, but I don't think it's your problem. bad ram hardly ever causes hands, it triggers spontaneous reboots ime |
| 22:36.22 | tremon | s/hands/hangs/ |
| 22:36.36 | Towzzer | bad ram can do anything |
| 22:36.41 | Towzzer | because the contents of an instruction can change |
| 22:36.44 | abrotman | can it make eggs? |
| 22:36.44 | Towzzer | or a variable |
| 22:36.48 | gerlosgm | berzerka: got some bad experiences with bad RAM, it can crash your system at random, test it more, just to be sure of it |
| 22:36.49 | berzerka | abrotman: gl stuff didn't quite work when i tested it, however, in all the crashes there were no gl graphics involved. |
| 22:37.21 | berzerka | ok guys i will test the ram over night, thanks. |
| 22:37.26 | tremon | true, but before bad ram triggers a write instruction into pci space, many programs will have segfaulted first |
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| 22:37.49 | mike | greetings all |
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| 22:40.22 | twinkie_addict | im out latter |
| 22:41.02 | berzerka | however, something is really strange about this. i already THOUGHT i could reproduce the bug since the system crashed 3 times when clicking the same link on the same webpage. but now, i cannot reproduce that! its just weird. |
| 22:41.03 | Guest94861 | I have just installed the latest stable on a dell m4300 laptop, I am running gnome 2.30.2 and I want to be able to vpn into my work network with is windows based. What is the best vpn client to do this? I need a pptp connection. |
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| 22:42.20 | Towzzer | berzerka, please trust me, random crashes = bad memory first |
| 22:42.28 | Towzzer | then less likely, bad motherboard |
| 22:43.10 | gerlosgm | berzerka: stupid question: not sure if it may be related, but after ram I'd check disks using smarctl and badblocks |
| 22:43.52 | Soru | Hello. I've just downloaded this driver → https://launchpad.net/wizardpen for my drawing tablet. I've uncompress it, but now I don't know how to install it. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance |
| 22:43.54 | berzerka | Towzzer, gerlosgm, ok i will do some more memtest runs and test all block devices (multiple times) with bad blocks. |
| 22:44.05 | berzerka | thanks everyone for your help! |
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| 22:44.13 | Towzzer | 3 pass min! |
| 22:44.25 | abrotman | 4! |
| 22:44.26 | berzerka | nods |
| 22:44.33 | berzerka | i'll do 5 :P |
| 22:45.01 | berzerka | thanks guys, you're great. have a nice evening everyone. |
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| 22:51.02 | AFlyingMonkey | how do I change the default group for files? |
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| 22:51.23 | Towzzer | files get the group of the user that created them |
| 22:51.24 | aguitel | i have this error :root@debian:/home/aguitel# aptitude purge xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 22:51.25 | aguitel | [100%] Building dependency treeSegmentation fault |
| 22:51.30 | Towzzer | the primary grou[ |
| 22:51.32 | aguitel | any clues |
| 22:52.44 | themill | aguitel: dodgy memory? |
| 22:52.56 | tremon | aguitel: most likely, apt's cache has been corrupted. try removing everything from /var/cache/apt first, then /var/cache/aptitude, then run apt-get update again |
| 22:53.06 | tremon | although memory can be dodgy too :) |
| 22:53.29 | aguitel | tremon, what means memory dodgy |
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| 22:53.48 | AFlyingMonkey | ok well I have a user user1 and when I create a fle as user1 the file is owned by user1 and group1 |
| 22:53.56 | tremon | broken, defunct, kaputt |
| 22:54.07 | AFlyingMonkey | however I cant chown that file without sudo |
| 22:54.10 | dgriffi | I found a solution to my Brother printer offset problem |
| 22:54.19 | AFlyingMonkey | I want the ownership to bu user1:user1 how cna I do that? |
| 22:54.32 | tremon | do you have a group called user1? |
| 22:54.49 | tremon | AFlyingMonkey: man chgrp |
| 22:55.12 | dgriffi | a semi-solution. I'm passing it off to the maintainer, who I hope will be able to figure out the necessary changes to be made to CUPS and pass that up the line |
| 22:55.13 | AFlyingMonkey | yes I do |
| 22:55.31 | dgriffi | see ticket number 701954 in case you're interested |
| 22:55.50 | Soru | Hello. I've just downloaded this driver → https://launchpad.net/wizardpen for my drawing tablet. I've uncompress it, but now I don't know how to install it. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance |
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| 22:57.08 | AFlyingMonkey | tremon: chgrp changes the files group? it seems like this is something that changes the files group after the fact, Is there a method for changing the default group for every file created by that user?? |
| 22:57.45 | tremon | AFlyingMonkey: yes, multiple ways |
| 22:58.03 | ctmjr | Soru: he/she tells you how on the website |
| 22:58.13 | tremon | for one, use sg to assume membership of a new group in a subshell |
| 22:58.30 | tremon | for another, use newgrp to make another group your primary user group |
| 22:59.05 | tremon | yet another method, use the setgrp bit on the directory in which you want files to be owned by a certain group |
| 22:59.35 | tremon | or just change the primary group of the user permanently with usermod |
| 23:00.01 | tremon | AFlyingMonkey: it all depends on what you want to achieve |
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| 23:04.31 | phix | morning |
| 23:05.00 | AFlyingMonkey | tremon: Ive set the primary group for user1 to user1 but when I touch a file as user1 the group is still group1 instead of user1. The directory group bit is still set to group1? |
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| 23:05.40 | tremon | AFlyingMonkey: did you logout and login again after changing the primary group? |
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| 23:06.20 | Soru | ctmjr: Thansk for answering. Can you help me to find the zone where it tells that? I don't know where it says how to do it :S |
| 23:06.24 | philluminati | ok guys I'm back. I think the root cause of my X11 problems on debian stable is the following command fails during boot up: |
| 23:06.46 | philluminati | alsactl restore |
| 23:07.09 | phix | philluminati: most likw |
| 23:07.14 | phix | likely not |
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| 23:08.41 | philluminati | yeah, sorry I don't think that's the root cause either |
| 23:08.55 | philluminati | plus I think I've seen that error before an ignored it and it's been fine |
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| 23:09.52 | x420 | is upgread from stable a bad idea ? |
| 23:09.59 | AFlyingMonkey | tremon: nope that fixed it thanks :) |
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| 23:10.14 | abrotman | x420: from stable to what? |
| 23:10.23 | x420 | testing |
| 23:10.23 | mtn | Soru: I couldn't see the answer on the web page, but you need to use the make command. do a little searching reading about doing that. |
| 23:10.46 | abrotman | dpkg: tell x420 about squeeze->wheezy |
| 23:10.49 | abrotman | x420: good luck! |
| 23:11.00 | x420 | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:11.53 | Soru | mtn: Thank you for the clue |
| 23:13.22 | mtn | Soru: this might be an answer too: https://answers.launchpad.net/wizardpen/+faq/1021 |
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| 23:15.19 | philluminati | anyone know how I can fix my acpi/nvidia/X11 problem please? |
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| 23:16.32 | Nik05 | no |
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| 23:18.26 | STMelon | brb |
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| 23:18.40 | somiaj | philluminati: what was the errors in your x logs? |
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| 23:19.44 | somiaj | philluminati: you could also paste you whole Xorg.0.log at paste.debian.net |
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| 23:25.57 | Soru | mtn: Thank you, I'm going to read what you say |
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| 23:26.27 | mtn | Soru: good luck |
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| 23:29.32 | gntmach | hello |
| 23:29.35 | gntmach | Should i create a group only for my user? what are the advantages? |
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| 23:32.19 | dondelelcaro | gntmach: it's usually a good idea |
| 23:32.28 | gntmach | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 23:33.44 | dondelelcaro | gntmach: though it's certainly not required if you're going to have lots of users who should all be in the same group |
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| 23:41.57 | wakd | If I want to read eg 'man approx' before installing it, I could download the .deb and look inside. Is there a better debian way to do this? On the www or some special apt* feature? |
| 23:42.39 | shicy | apt-cache show maybe? |
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| 23:43.33 | shicy | sorry, i didn't follow your conversation from beginning... |
| 23:43.39 | themill | !man approx |
| 23:43.39 | dpkg | man approx is probably at http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=approx where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
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| 23:45.55 | wakd | themill: nice, thank you :) |
| 23:47.52 | shicy | i have just one question |
| 23:48.21 | shicy | which version of KDE is going to be next in Sid? |
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| 23:48.38 | ParkerR | shicy, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/454 |
| 23:48.44 | ParkerR | Downloads the deb and views it |
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| 23:50.25 | shicy | ParkerR, thanks ;) |
| 23:50.34 | PlastikSpork | I was wondering if someone could help me install ATI Radeon 3100 graphics driver on a Toshiba L305D-S5934 laptop running Debian Squeeze |
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| 23:52.26 | themill | wakd: you could also "aptitude download $package" and then look into the package with mc to wade down into it to look at the man page. |
| 23:53.16 | wakd | shicy: thanks, themill answered my question |
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| 23:56.47 | wakd | themill: thank you, I did not know mc can look inside deb package |
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| 23:57.37 | themill | yeah, it's very handy for having a poke around, looking at what maintainer scripts are going to do etc. And mc will render the man page for you too |
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| 23:59.16 | wakd | themill: so it does! nice :) |
| 23:59.16 | DestroyerZBR | Hello guys |
| 23:59.32 | DestroyerZBR | COuld someone help me with accelleration 3d? |
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