| 00:00.18 | [sr] | themill: need an extension for a particular server, that i cannot upgrade right now :) |
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| 00:00.39 | themill | that would be a reason to run stable not testing on servers... |
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| 00:40.34 | L8D | Hey guys, I need to know how to setup a telnet server... |
| 00:40.48 | L8D | I know, I know, SSH is safer, blah blah blah... |
| 00:40.53 | L8D | I have legacy clients... |
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| 00:41.22 | L8D | But so far when I install openbsd-inetd and/or telnetd, nothing shows up in /etc/init.d/ |
| 00:42.10 | themill | telnetd would be run from inetd not from an init script |
| 00:42.13 | caf | that would be because it's started out of inetd, not init.d |
| 00:44.45 | dondelelcaro | wonders exactly how legacy a client would have to be to not support ssh.... |
| 00:45.30 | L8D | Where's inetd? |
| 00:45.46 | dondelelcaro | L8D: /etc/inetd.conf or similar |
| 00:45.51 | jhutchins_wk | dondelelcaro: Default protocol. |
| 00:45.55 | L8D | I found that... |
| 00:46.06 | L8D | How do I start the daemon? |
| 00:47.08 | jhutchins_wk | L8D: Do you know how to access man pages? |
| 00:47.47 | L8D | Yes... |
| 00:47.54 | L8D | I have none for inetd or telnetd |
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| 00:48.06 | jhutchins_wk | dondelelcaro: Primitive operating systems like Windows don't have ssh clients by default. |
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| 00:48.25 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_wk: sure, but they're easily installable. |
| 00:48.42 | jhutchins_wk | L8D: They are multiply published on the web and easy to find with google. |
| 00:49.18 | dondelelcaro | L8D: inetd won't start unless there is something for it to serve in inetd.conf. |
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| 00:49.24 | jhutchins_wk | dondelelcaro: True. I have a laptop on which I can not install anything. |
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| 00:50.03 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: i don't think putty even needs to be installed, just run |
| 00:50.04 | dondelelcaro | L8D: but really, if you're configuring telnetd, you really should know all of this, and should probably only be allowing it via a VPN or similar |
| 00:50.12 | jhutchins_wk | dondelelcaro: "Security" don't ya know. |
| 00:50.45 | themill | jhutchins_wk: you don't need to install putty to use it. |
| 00:51.36 | jhutchins_wk | themill: Therefor I can do my job by using putty. I understand that executables in user paths can be blocked in recent versions of W. |
| 00:52.01 | L8D | Oh...That's why...My entire problem has spawned from /usr/sbin not being in my PATH. |
| 00:52.15 | themill | jhutchins_wk: the brokenness of other operating systems doesn't make telnet a good option |
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| 00:52.37 | L8D | Well, I'm not allowing people to login in telnet... |
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| 00:52.43 | L8D | Nor am I using telnet to login |
| 00:52.52 | L8D | I just want to be able to run a single program... |
| 00:52.58 | abrotman | that uses telnet? |
| 00:53.05 | jhutchins_wk | themill: Yes, of course. It's primitive nature still makes it a useful troubleshooting tool, but at least it's not rsh. |
| 00:53.46 | L8D | The program doesn't use telnet...I want to be able to do 'telnet server.com' and have it run a program in the terminal |
| 00:54.15 | abrotman | so you are going to login |
| 00:54.36 | jhutchins_wk | L8D: Have you considered installing a finger server? I believe there's one that will provide a usable password hash. |
| 00:54.46 | L8D | Well, I don't want to have any username or password prompts... |
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| 00:55.11 | L8D | Something like towel.blinkenlights.nl |
| 00:55.40 | jhutchins_wk | L8D: Really, if you were to back away from the method and tell us what you are actually trying to do instead of how. |
| 00:55.41 | L8D | And let's say that the program it runs is /usr/bin/starwars-ascii |
| 00:56.13 | L8D | I want to be able to run dwarf fortress in text mode through tlnet |
| 00:56.16 | L8D | telnet* |
| 00:56.32 | L8D | Without prompts for usernames or passwords |
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| 00:56.50 | L8D | How would I do that with a debian server? |
| 00:56.57 | deepy | L8D: iirc, dwarf fortress requires SDL |
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| 00:57.38 | L8D | deepy: What? |
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| 00:58.23 | deepy | hmm, I might be wrong. But I recalled it requiring X |
| 00:58.37 | L8D | nonono, there is a text mode |
| 00:58.39 | sencha | L8D, I'm looking into it now, but you probably want to install either inetutils-telnetd, krb5-telnetd, or telnetd |
| 00:58.48 | L8D | That will run in a unicode terminal |
| 00:59.00 | deepy | If you have something that works in a console, check out dgamelaunch if you want to expose a text-mode applcation to the internet |
| 00:59.15 | L8D | I've already installed telnetd, and kind of have it working...But I want to setup the seamless autostart. |
| 00:59.16 | sencha | L8D, and then once you have that installed, check the config files for it to see if you can replace the normal 'telnet prompt' (e.g. /bin/login) with /usr/bin/dwarfwhatever |
| 00:59.32 | L8D | looks into dgamelaunch |
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| 01:00.29 | deepy | dgamelaunch is best known from nethack.alt.org |
| 01:01.19 | L8D | Oh wow...That's almost exactly what I wanted to do eventually. |
| 01:01.32 | L8D | But have dwarffortress instead. |
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| 01:01.49 | deepy | Okay, your motives have been exposed. Now you no longer have a choice, you must use dgamelaunch |
| 01:02.06 | L8D | K. I'm going through the install |
| 01:02.39 | L8D | Though I'm not entirely sure if it supports other games. |
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| 01:03.08 | L8D | thanks |
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| 01:03.48 | deepy | It does support other games, but there's not many games that make sense to serve in that way |
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| 01:32.25 | nvz | Would anyone have any suggestions about how to make multiple videos (vlc) playback better? I can do two fine on here, but if I open 3 one or more will start freezing the video for long periods |
| 01:32.48 | abrotman | suspects nvz has a problem |
| 01:33.19 | Zone | lol. And how can you zoom in in one window, and using only one hand? |
| 01:33.23 | nvz | I got a Core2 T7500 w/ 4 gb ram and nvidia graphics and 3d drivers.. I'd think I could play more video than that at once |
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| 01:33.48 | nvz | abrotman: that kinda goes without saying.. I got more issues than time magazine. :-P |
| 01:34.29 | nvz | I pretty much always got one thing playing I'm always watching/listening to or otherwise ignoring.. heh.. but the thing I most use multiples for is when trying to review long video clips more quickly.. |
| 01:34.41 | nvz | if I got 4 playing, I can watch it in 1/4th the time.. heh |
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| 01:35.59 | nvz | I'm not sure where my bottleneck here is.. but its gotta be the GPU I guess.. I'm just wondering if I can tweak something and get more videos to playback without skipping |
| 01:36.52 | nvz | I mean 4GB ram, a dual 2.2ghz, and a brand new 500GB sata HDD should all be able to handle playing back 3 videos I'd think.. if its not the mobile graphics causing the problem then IDK what is |
| 01:38.24 | nvz | I just dont know anything really about benchmarking this sort of thing or about tweaking video output modules, xorg drivers and the like. *shrugs* |
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| 01:43.01 | nvz | I already tried adjusting the process priority and crap like that in vlc settings so idk.. guess I'll just have to keep trying to change the video settings or something.. I just dont want to have to use my desktop too when seems like this computer should be able to play 3 or 4 videos without locking up.. |
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| 01:43.50 | blumenkraft | Hi, I have an Asus Zenbook Prime with Debian, and I cannot get any input from the built-in microphone |
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| 01:44.14 | ploo | does debian squeeze support sandy bridge xeon procs with the old kernel? |
| 01:44.17 | nvz | blumenkraft: well idk what that is, but most often its mixer issues when a mic doesnt work.. |
| 01:44.35 | blumenkraft | I tried to follow the single command available here: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/UX32VD |
| 01:44.44 | blumenkraft | I ran as root: |
| 01:44.46 | blumenkraft | echo options snd-hda-intel model=alc269-dmic >> /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
| 01:45.06 | blumenkraft | And then /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
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| 01:45.25 | blumenkraft | nvz: All of the volume sliders in alsamixer are up, and unmuted |
| 01:46.01 | nvz | blumenkraft: did you check for switches? sometimes these days there are not only hardware but software switches |
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| 01:46.13 | nvz | ports can change from input to output..etc |
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| 01:49.17 | LV-426 | fixes his non-responsive dhcpd issue by updating $INTERFACES at /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server |
| 01:49.26 | tharkun | I have this strange problem. I open up a document, I tell the program to print it and according to every possible log of cups on all the hardware involved that document was printed. The problem is that the printer never actually prints it. How can that be debugged? |
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| 01:50.03 | L8D | deepy: Not sure if you could help, but I'm having troubles compiling dgl |
| 01:50.19 | ploo | which kernel version is in wheezy? |
| 01:50.26 | tharkun | ,kernels |
| 01:50.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.2-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.39-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.35-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 01:50.52 | L8D | I keep getting 'connot find input file |
| 01:50.57 | L8D | config.h.in |
| 01:51.07 | L8D | whenever I ./configure --prefix=/usr |
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| 01:51.29 | LV-426 | too bad dhcpd issues no warning when subnet definitions exist for interfaces which are not being listened to... |
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| 01:52.26 | nvz | blumenkraft: actually that page you posted mentions that its a shared input/output jack.. so maybe when something is plugged in it turns off the built-in stuff.. for example |
| 01:52.36 | nvz | I'm going to bed though.. good luck.. |
| 01:52.45 | blumenkraft | nvz: I just tried unplugging the speakers and still no internal mic input |
| 01:52.47 | blumenkraft | bah |
| 01:53.59 | tharkun | blumenkraft: are you sure that computer has a built in microphone? |
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| 01:59.09 | blumenkraft | tharkun: Of course... it's a Zenbook Prime |
| 01:59.18 | blumenkraft | very modern ultrabook, it has a mic |
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| 02:54.39 | ChibaPet | Ewige blumenkraft! |
| 02:54.51 | blumenkraft | Hail Eris! |
| 02:55.18 | ChibaPet | Hail yes! |
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| 02:55.49 | ChibaPet | So, in the space of scant days, I've gone from fearing LVM to loving snapshot-based back-ups. |
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| 02:56.23 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.7>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
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| 03:04.16 | ManoftheSea | yay ChibaPet |
| 03:04.19 | ChibaPet | Hey there. |
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| 03:05.00 | athit | hey, |
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| 03:07.16 | athit | I can install Oracle on Debian? |
| 03:07.42 | ChibaPet | athit: It's not supported, but I've heard of it working. Oracle client certainly. |
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| 03:08.52 | ChibaPet | athit: This looks not too ancient to be useful: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/656 |
| 03:09.16 | cjfs | be afraid http://wiki.debian.org/DataBase/Oracle |
| 03:09.30 | cjfs | mind you, I scare easily |
| 03:10.51 | ManoftheSea | Oracle doesn't meet DFSG, right? |
| 03:11.21 | athit | So, I can install FreeRadius on Debian, and configure radius + external Oracle server ? |
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| 03:13.49 | ManoftheSea | athit, I believe you can both install oracle on Debian, as well as do RADIUS + external server. |
| 03:13.51 | ManoftheSea | I believe in you. |
| 03:14.21 | cjfs | ManoftheSea, no, it wouldn't |
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| 03:14.38 | cjfs | wouldn't meet dfsg that is |
| 03:15.38 | ManoftheSea | athit: It will work when you make it work. Do you have a specific concern? |
| 03:16.05 | ManoftheSea | on the other hand... doesn't Oracle have an Oracle OS for running their DB on? |
| 03:16.17 | ManoftheSea | called... Slowaris, or something? |
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| 03:17.32 | ChibaPet | They're pushing their EL clone lately. |
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| 03:20.11 | ChibaPet | night all |
| 03:20.31 | cjfs | g'night ChibaPet |
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| 05:05.18 | Dewio | what's the best way these days to stream music from debian to other locations over the internet? |
| 05:05.33 | Dewio | cifs/webdav/dlna...? |
| 05:05.56 | amit^ | Dewio: Does vlc provide streaming? |
| 05:05.56 | Dewio | (if I can get video on my LAN into the deal that's cool too) |
| 05:06.09 | Dewio | amit^: only 1 file at a time afaik |
| 05:06.30 | amit^ | Dewio: I tried to do something like that to broadcast TV , music over ethernet , wireless lan. |
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| 05:07.03 | Dewio | I'm thinking something that either serves a directory of files or a "media library" |
| 05:07.40 | amit^ | Dewio: Perhaps there are multimedia NAS devices which do the same now. |
| 05:08.27 | Dewio | there are, but the DLNA solutons I've seen are always very vague about what formats they support, and how you'd make them work over the internet |
| 05:08.44 | amit^ | Dewio: What is DLNA? |
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| 05:09.27 | Dewio | amit^: a set of protocols for exposing, consuming, and controlling media over a network. Also known as uPNP |
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| 05:09.44 | amit^ | Dewio: Yes, there are |
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| 05:10.17 | amit^ | Dewio: I've actually seen this implementation in somebody's house a few years back. |
| 05:10.32 | amit^ | Dewio: He was running linux and some media console which ran linux. |
| 05:10.36 | Dewio | most smartphones have been capable of it for years |
| 05:10.52 | Dewio | but I don't know how to connect it to anything |
| 05:11.19 | amit^ | Dewio: You mean with those apps , cable operators provide? |
| 05:11.27 | Dewio | no |
| 05:11.43 | Dewio | samsung stuff all has DLNA capabilities in it |
| 05:12.21 | amit^ | Oh I see, perhaps they're geared for the future and dont want to limit consumers with stupid product restrictions |
| 05:12.36 | Dewio | yeah |
| 05:12.49 | Dewio | I am sure if I plugged my samsung tv into the LAN it would probably talk to my samsung phone |
| 05:13.11 | Dewio | but I'd like to set up other devices to interop and don't really know where to begin |
| 05:13.11 | amit^ | Dewio: That is more like convergence |
| 05:13.35 | whdi | just an apple airplay clone... |
| 05:13.58 | amit^ | whdi: what is apple airplay, a protocol or an interface? |
| 05:14.01 | Dewio | not really, since airplay is more proprietary |
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| 05:14.46 | whdi | amit^: wikipedia is for you |
| 05:15.15 | amit^ | whdi: dont really rely on wikipedia but its enough for an overview. |
| 05:15.35 | Dewio | okay admittedly wikipedia does list a bunch of non-apple implementations at this point |
| 05:15.37 | whdi | say no to dlna, miracast, widi and whdi -- just stick to apple airplay |
| 05:15.41 | Dewio | but which ones are mature? |
| 05:15.43 | Dewio | whdi: why? |
| 05:16.00 | Dewio | note: I don't own a single piece of apple hardware |
| 05:16.01 | whdi | the original is the best |
| 05:16.16 | Dewio | er |
| 05:16.35 | Dewio | dlna was established in 2003 |
| 05:16.53 | Dewio | and has 225 members |
| 05:17.31 | whdi | but there wasn't a real product then |
| 05:17.50 | Dewio | is airplay a real product now outside of apple gear? |
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| 05:18.10 | adamsilver | guys what is the reason of this: http://bpaste.net/show/lgcrdEQfWPUXAOQdJ7EP/ |
| 05:18.20 | whdi | why should apple do that? |
| 05:18.38 | Dewio | huh? |
| 05:18.51 | adamsilver | I am trying to install apache2-threaded-dev but it's not found |
| 05:18.52 | Dewio | this is #debian right? |
| 05:18.58 | Dewio | I'm not asking how to get apple hardware working |
| 05:18.59 | dizzylizzy | whoa, ipv6 |
| 05:19.19 | dizzylizzy | how to get apple hardware working would be on-topic for #debian |
| 05:19.22 | dizzylizzy | if it was with debian |
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| 05:19.48 | Dewio | ... but that is not what I am asking |
| 05:20.16 | themill | adamsilver: when did you last run "apt-get update"? |
| 05:20.35 | Dewio | if the airplay implementations on debian are more mature than dlna, cool, I'm willing to look into it |
| 05:20.44 | Dewio | but... be specific |
| 05:21.14 | adamsilver | themill: Thank you so much |
| 05:22.51 | Dewio | I have streamed media over the internet in the past with samba, or mpd+shoutcast, but I wondered if there was a more modern solution |
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| 05:25.20 | whdi | file-based streamming is the fastest |
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| 05:30.21 | anon_2 | installed wireless tools and try to configure /etc/network/interfaces. but what should be the entries? ifconfig shows a eth0, but http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-wpa-wpa2-wireless-wifi-networking/ shows wlan0. and i have nod dhcp |
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| 05:31.55 | daemonkeeper | You're probably missing drivers for your WiFi card. |
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| 09:25.21 | Contessa | duh ... |
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| 09:30.43 | jpinx | Contessa: what is "doesn't work" ? |
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| 09:32.10 | Contessa | jpinx ... I cant install it ... it is looking for a file that is misnamed |
| 09:32.52 | Contessa | I think it is a type in the .deb file? |
| 09:32.55 | Contessa | typo |
| 09:33.10 | jpinx | Contessa: where are you installing it from, what is the name of the misnamed file , what is the error output -- use pastebin |
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| 09:33.26 | Contessa | hmmm /et me try again |
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| 09:36.58 | Contessa | jpinx .. http://pastebin.com/3BRDXjyq |
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| 09:39.08 | jpinx | Contessa: what was the command that produced that error? |
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| 09:40.25 | Contessa | ljpinx .. dpkg -i --force-architecture skype-debian_4.1.0.20-1_i386.deb |
| 09:40.37 | babilen | Contessa: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 09:41.13 | Contessa | netinstall |
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| 09:41.32 | babilen | Contessa: What does "cat /etc/debian_version" give you? |
| 09:42.19 | Contessa | 6.0.7 |
| 09:43.38 | babilen | Contessa: Ok, you cannot install that skype version on that Debian version. Recent skype versions target Debian 7 which is the yet unreleased testing branch also known as wheezy. This is because skype relies on a feature called multiarch which allows you to install i386 packages on amd64 machines. |
| 09:44.11 | Contessa | ok .. how do I fix ? Can I update without reinstalling ? |
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| 09:44.31 | babilen | Contessa: I would probably recommend to simply install wheezy (which will be released soon) and the procedure to do that is detailed in <install wheezy>. I would furthermore recommend to download the netinstall images with firmware from the link in <firmware images wheezy> |
| 09:45.10 | Contessa | ok ..let me go look - thank you ... I only downloaded the net install today |
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| 09:45.36 | babilen | Contessa: You could also upgrade to wheezy by following the procedure in the <wheezy release notes> or <squeeze->wheezy>, but there are some bugs that are specific to the upgrade path. Yet another way is to simply install an older version of skype (2.0.35) on squeeze. See also <skype squeeze> for details. |
| 09:46.01 | babilen | Contessa: All the <…> refer to factoids you can ask our bot. Use "/msg dpkg install wheezy" to learn about how to install wheezy. |
| 09:46.07 | jpinx | missed the solution... |
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| 09:48.21 | babilen | Contessa: Given that you only installed today and furthermore given the fact that wheezy is quite usable for end users I would recommend to simply use that. You can then follow the instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/skype → On Debian 7.0 → amd64 → multiarch ... If you are new to Debian you might also want to read the Debian Handbook at http://debian-handbook.info/ (also see <debian handbook>) and the multiarch howto linked in <multiarch> |
| 09:49.34 | Contessa | babilen ... thank you ... I tried "Calculate" as a quick way of loading up Gentoo ..but it keeps on breaking |
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| 09:51.52 | babilen | Contessa: Debian wheezy should be just fine. The "problem" (well actually that's great) is that we are very close to a release and that it makes more sense for end users to install the testing/development version of Debian at this point in time. That, however, isn't very obvious to people unfamiliar with Debian how (rightfully) assume that the best thing to install is the newest stable release. |
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| 09:52.59 | Contessa | I m having a problem finding the download for Wheezy |
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| 09:54.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell Contessa -about firmware images wheezy |
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| 09:55.57 | babilen | Contessa: You have to ask our bot about all the factoids in <...> that I mentioned. E.g. if I write something like <installation guide wheezy> you would write a message to our bot (dpkg) with "/msg dpkg installation guide wheezy" that would cause it to tell you about the installation guide. |
| 09:55.57 | Contessa | thank you ...and I want multiarch ?? |
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| 09:56.23 | Contessa | babilen ..thank you ... I think I am starting to get it |
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| 09:57.01 | babilen | Contessa: multi-arch in this case (confusing, I know) simply means that you can install amd64 and i386 using the same medium. I take it that you want to install amd64 (64bit) and would simply download that. |
| 09:57.26 | hyppias | I have an intel Atom N270 processor board. Which wheezy linux kernel should I use? |
| 09:57.28 | Contessa | thank you .... clarifies |
| 09:58.02 | babilen | Contessa: multiarch is either: 1. The feature that allows you to install packages for multiple architectures on the same system <multiarch> or 2. A classification of the install images and in particular those that allow you to install /either/ amd64 or i386 using the same image |
| 09:58.45 | Contessa | thank you ... |
| 09:59.06 | Contessa | so I have to go and install the lib32 packages |
| 09:59.50 | babilen | hyppias: You want the i386 architecture and you can download netinstall images with firmware from the link in "/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy" |
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| 10:00.16 | hyppias | babilen: thank you |
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| 10:00.52 | babilen | Contessa: No, you do no longer need any lib32 packages. The whole point of the multiarch feature in wheezy is that you can simply install the /original/ 32bit i386 libraries on an amd64 system. The procedure is detailed in http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
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| 10:01.11 | Contessa | yup |
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| 10:01.51 | babilen | Contessa: But I would simply install wheezy (or upgrade to it) now and then follow the instructions on the skype page to install that. If you want to understand what you are doing read the multiarch howto. |
| 10:01.55 | babilen | :) |
| 10:02.31 | Contessa | babilen - thank you - I though I knew what I was doing, but it simply wasnt working |
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| 10:03.12 | Contessa | I'll set the netinstall running, and go to sleep (its 11pm here) |
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| 10:04.02 | babilen | ack, have a good night and see you soon :) |
| 10:04.09 | Contessa | :) |
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| 10:22.14 | MO_Handes | I want to copy colorful codes from geany or gedit to libreoffice writer, but I don't want to lose the colors. how to do that? |
| 10:23.41 | joltcan | MO_Handes: Sorry, I think that information is part of the copying process |
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| 10:23.48 | joltcan | MO_Handes: "is not" even |
| 10:23.53 | MO_Handes | !syntax highlighting |
| 10:24.07 | ksuhku | in case it is, try paste special in LO |
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| 10:27.40 | Iridos | err, you're talking about syntax highlighting? |
| 10:27.47 | Iridos | that's not part of the text as such |
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| 10:27.59 | Iridos | that's just how gedit represents it |
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| 10:31.02 | olivier_bK | i have a question how do you for incrementation flotant variable ? in shell script |
| 10:32.19 | oskar- | olivier_bK: i am not sure, if you mean it, but maybe it is: let x++ |
| 10:32.35 | TheGrey | o/ In debian, how can I find out what driver I need from the repos? I have a Thinkpad T20 with a NVS 4200 Quadro card |
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| 10:33.12 | Iridos | MO_Handes, http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Pasting_code_with_syntax_coloring_in_emails ... open resulting html with libreoffice |
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| 10:33.40 | oskar- | olivier_bK: "let" is bash specific |
| 10:34.29 | Iridos | olivier_bK, what? |
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| 10:35.05 | Iridos | olivier_bK, please do not ask questions in multiple channels at the same time. it is considered rude too do so. thank you |
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| 10:40.15 | mrtnt | I have a Debian server with IP address 10.10.10.1. I would like to make following rule to this server: if 10.10.10.1 receives a IPv4 packet with source IP 10.10.10.99 and destination IP 10.10.10.1, then it should send a reply to 10.10.10.5(using 10.10.10.1 as a source IP) instead of 10.10.10.99? If this is possible, which utility should I use? |
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| 10:43.24 | systemr | hi |
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| 10:43.31 | systemr | I dont know much about debian |
| 10:43.40 | systemr | but I need to mount a samba share |
| 10:43.45 | systemr | I give the command |
| 10:44.07 | systemr | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.12 | systemr | but it doesnt work |
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| 10:51.33 | oskar- | mrtnt: SNAT in PREROUTING does not seem to be possible, maybe because it is far away from all standards |
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| 10:53.30 | oskar- | mrtnt: even that would not help, because the reverse translation would be applied for answer packets... |
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| 11:18.10 | Footur | systemr: try mount -t cifs "//10.130.68.44/Software_IT/Security/Kaspersky Open Space Security" /media -o user=domain\\myuser |
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| 11:31.51 | mrtnt | oskar-: ok. So probably such packet manipulation is not possible? |
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| 11:32.45 | y4h0 | hey |
| 11:33.38 | y4h0 | i have no user rsyslog, is that troublesome ? rsyslog is set to run as root, well auth.log is still empty |
| 11:34.34 | oskar- | mrtnt: at least not with standard tools... why would this even be necessary? can't the other use SNAT? |
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| 11:35.31 | y4h0 | here is my main config http://pastie.org/6459573 |
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| 11:36.21 | ksk | y4h0: why should you have one use rsyslog? |
| 11:36.29 | ksk | dont you think the basic debian setup is fine? |
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| 11:36.41 | txomon | hi, where may I contact with someone in charge of reading new tickets to have a look into this one? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597860 |
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| 11:42.17 | y4h0 | ksk, i want to get familiar with it, and see what it can do, basically |
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| 11:44.32 | y4h0 | so i have auth.* /var/log/auth.log in my conf file |
| 11:44.40 | y4h0 | it should log to auth.log right |
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| 11:45.28 | y4h0 | perms are 777 and it isn't |
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| 11:47.07 | y4h0 | with that configuration rsyslog writes only to syslog.log and kern.log |
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| 12:07.50 | caraconan | Hi all. After a fresh wheezy install using live CD I realise that (I think) because my new hard drive has 4096 bytes sector size I'm getting a "Partition 2 does not start on physical sector boundary." (http://paste.debian.net/241187/) |
| 12:08.11 | caraconan | Question: should I re-install the OS or there's a quick way to solve it with gparted etc....? |
| 12:08.41 | caraconan | If I need to re-install again, how to prevent this happening again since I choose automatic partitioning? Maybe doing it manually? |
| 12:09.39 | ompaul | caraconan: when you finished the install did the machine restart ok? |
| 12:09.53 | caraconan | Everything is ok, just this message |
| 12:10.05 | ompaul | so why is that a problem |
| 12:10.05 | acemi | caraconan: fdisk -lc |
| 12:10.17 | caraconan | And i don't want to go ahead doing stuff before clarifying if the loose of performance is acceptable or not |
| 12:11.01 | ksk | if its a desktop it should be fine |
| 12:11.07 | caraconan | <acemi> http://paste.debian.net/241188/ |
| 12:11.14 | caraconan | <ksk> is a server |
| 12:11.31 | ksk | if its a server where you want to have every bit of performance (writing small files) you maybe want to inform yourself about this topic |
| 12:11.34 | caraconan | I'm considering to install wheezy rather than squeeze (it's a development server) |
| 12:11.45 | ksk | im not into that im afraid. |
| 12:12.04 | caraconan | Looks like the reason of the error is an old fdisk implementation |
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| 12:12.08 | caraconan | Still reading |
| 12:12.13 | ompaul | loss of performance is not something a beginner is going to be concerned with, and perfermance will not be impacted by unless it is a highly important critical server with thousands of hits |
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| 12:13.18 | ksk | ompaul: might be right :) |
| 12:13.57 | caraconan | Thanks, but I'm gonna try to fix the partitions by hand. I don't want this message flying around from the very beginning. Thanks all for the help |
| 12:14.00 | ompaul | and in fact in most users won't even be bothered unless it's tens of thousands of hits with a performance critical database sitting beside it |
| 12:14.11 | ompaul | heh |
| 12:14.23 | ompaul | this message flying around - how many times are you going to see it ... ok well |
| 12:15.00 | ompaul | ignorance and fear and prejudice all go together hand in hand |
| 12:15.24 | ompaul | I doubt he has a use case it's important for - if he does - irc is not the place for a fix |
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| 12:22.25 | txomon | where may I contact with someone in charge of reading new tickets to have a look into this one? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597860 |
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| 12:24.57 | jelly | txomon: I suggest waiting a couple days for the maintainer to read and answer |
| 12:25.41 | jelly | txomon: there is no specific team assigned to triaging all the new bugs -- each maintainer deals with their own |
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| 12:42.42 | ocei3ko | Why do I get: Can't exec "/tmp/shorewall.config.116101": Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.14/IPC/Open3.pm line 186. when installing? |
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| 12:43.04 | kjetiln | Hi, i have some issue a software. getting the following error: libX11.so.6: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 how can i install the 64bit version? |
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| 12:44.51 | babilen | ocei3ko: tmp mounted noexec? Installing what? Could you paste the /entire/ output + your commands and the output of "mount" along with your /etc/fstab to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 12:44.57 | vaillor | hi guys |
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| 12:45.01 | vaillor | i installed openvpn |
| 12:45.15 | vaillor | from aptitute but it is too much old |
| 12:45.20 | vaillor | how to upgrade it? |
| 12:45.26 | babilen | kjetiln: Which software is that about? Which command exactly results in that error? Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 12:45.48 | babilen | vaillor: Which version do you need and which version of Debian do you use? |
| 12:45.51 | ocei3ko | babilen, tmp is noexec, thanks |
| 12:46.29 | babilen | ocei3ko: You might want to remount it exec whenever you use the package manager. You can setup dpkg hooks to do that or simply not mount it noexec. |
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| 12:47.42 | vaillor | babilen, squeezy |
| 12:47.43 | kjetiln | babilen: 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 11:00:33 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:47.47 | ompaul | vaillor: you know that security patches are applied to debian as it moves along it doesn't have to be the latest $anything, if you step outside the debian packaging mix you won't get debians security patches and you will have to maintain that delta, if you are like that about all packages then debian is not for you |
| 12:47.51 | ocei3ko | Assuming var/home/tmp are different partitions, would 12G be enough for /? |
| 12:48.04 | babilen | ocei3ko: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Making_/tmp_non-executable |
| 12:48.09 | vaillor | i need last version of openvpn |
| 12:48.13 | ompaul | vaillor: one assumes you have apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 12:48.17 | ompaul | NEED? |
| 12:48.23 | vaillor | yes |
| 12:48.27 | babilen | vaillor: Which version /exactly/ ? Why do you need that version? |
| 12:48.40 | ompaul | last I looked I could make it work old with new since I started with it in 2003 |
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| 12:48.45 | vaillor | babilen, how to know it? |
| 12:48.56 | vaillor | because the version i installed is wrong |
| 12:49.04 | ompaul | how did you install it? |
| 12:49.08 | babilen | vaillor: Well, apparently you need it. I am simply asking which version /you/ need. |
| 12:49.26 | vaillor | of what? |
| 12:49.31 | babilen | openvpn? |
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| 12:49.59 | vaillor | 2.3.0 |
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| 12:50.05 | kjetiln | babilen, dpkg-architechture shows DEB_BUILD_ARCH=i386 . how can i get it to install x64 instead? |
| 12:50.27 | abrotman | kjetiln: which version of Debian ? |
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| 12:50.45 | kjetiln | abrotman, squeeze |
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| 12:51.23 | babilen | vaillor: You can find a 2.3 in experimental ... |
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| 12:51.29 | babilen | ,v openvpn |
| 12:51.30 | judd | Package: openvpn on i386 -- lenny: 2.1~rc11-1; squeeze: 2.1.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2.2.1-3~bpo60+1; sid: 2.2.1-8; wheezy: 2.2.1-8; experimental: 2.3~rc1-1 |
| 12:51.43 | vaillor | babilen, how to install it? |
| 12:51.44 | abrotman | kjetiln: there is no multiarch for squeeze |
| 12:52.06 | babilen | vaillor: Guess that is a release candidate though. I am having lunch now and will be back later. Please explain /why/ you need that version. |
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| 12:52.24 | kjetiln | abrotman, hmm ok, just confused since my kernel is 64bit but software install is 32 |
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| 12:53.46 | abrotman | kjetiln: right, 64bit kernel, 32bit userland .. not a great plan, but it works |
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| 12:54.21 | SouL_ | Hello |
| 12:54.23 | kjetiln | abrotman, yeah.. so no way to change that without a reinstall.. no idea how i ended up like this |
| 12:54.45 | abrotman | kjetiln: inexperience :) |
| 12:54.55 | SouL_ | Somebody knows what I can do with this? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=100033 |
| 12:54.57 | vaillor | babilen, because doesn't work well with tsl-client flag |
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| 12:55.03 | vaillor | and i get problems |
| 12:55.15 | vaillor | standard policy that only support the latest version |
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| 12:56.15 | abrotman | SouL_: that's completely lacking in useful information |
| 12:57.18 | kjetiln | abrotman: thanks |
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| 12:57.30 | SouL_ | abrotman: I'm new, I don't know what It's important for resolving that. Do you know what I can do for giveng useful information? |
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| 12:59.00 | ompaul | vaillor: whose standard policy, I mix it for multiple sites at many levels and don't get issues - seems to me something else is wrong |
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| 13:01.01 | ompaul | vaillor: I offer this as evidence http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/downloads.html |
| 13:01.46 | vaillor | ompaul: http://sprunge.us/ZTCH |
| 13:01.50 | vaillor | this is my debug |
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| 13:02.44 | vaillor | as you can see, i get an error when i try to connect |
| 13:03.02 | vaillor | TLS Error: client->client or server->server connection attempted from 229.76.227.83:5001" |
| 13:03.08 | ompaul | vaillor: note this client->client or server->server |
| 13:03.18 | ompaul | vaillor: it should be client to server |
| 13:03.40 | ompaul | vaillor: get certs from server put on client - bingo |
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| 13:03.47 | vaillor | http://pastebin.com/NRC1dCMk |
| 13:03.53 | vaillor | this is my config |
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| 13:07.08 | ompaul | vaillor: the box yo utry to connect to is a windows machine? |
| 13:07.17 | vaillor | y |
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| 13:08.57 | ompaul | vaillor: something in the back of my mind says windows should use tap |
| 13:09.18 | vaillor | i tried |
| 13:09.21 | ompaul | vaillor: can't find anything online but I have a vague memory of it only working with tap on some windows servers |
| 13:09.23 | vaillor | i get the same error |
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| 13:10.31 | ompaul | vaillor: note the comment client->client or server->server --- openvpn is telling you exactly what is wrong the certs on the server are setup for a client or some such |
| 13:10.36 | ompaul | or the other way around |
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| 13:11.24 | vaillor | ompaul, i geave you my config on both sides |
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| 13:11.29 | vaillor | [14:03:43] <vaillor> http://pastebin.com/NRC1dCMk |
| 13:11.35 | ompaul | vaillor: I saw |
| 13:11.47 | ompaul | however ~I don't know how you made those keys |
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| 13:12.04 | ompaul | I presume you made the keys on the server and handed them to the user on the client |
| 13:12.19 | vaillor | easy-rsa |
| 13:12.25 | ompaul | all on the server? |
| 13:12.35 | vaillor | yes |
| 13:12.52 | lapache | Does someone successfully "glxgears" on debian domU with vga passthrough (pvhvm) |
| 13:12.55 | lapache | ? |
| 13:13.43 | ompaul | vaillor: which windows version is involved? |
| 13:14.00 | vaillor | windows xp |
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| 13:14.12 | ompaul | I think that will ONLY support tab |
| 13:14.13 | ompaul | tap |
| 13:14.45 | vaillor | i already told you that i also tried with tap |
| 13:14.50 | vaillor | but i get the same error |
| 13:15.23 | greenit | hi, i have a problem: i installed debian on my notebook, however, i didn't have a network connection and my wlan-card needed the iwlwifi driver... now when i boot into debian, there is no network-icon, the ifaces are down and apt-get does not upgrade any package even though i have changed the sources to testing... can you help me? |
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| 13:16.39 | ompaul | vaillor: http://openvpn.net/archive/openvpn-users/2004-07/msg00242.html so note this, I create my server. put all references in place, and then I create the client keys 1 at a time on a per client basis |
| 13:17.41 | ompaul | vaillor: I don't do it any other way |
| 13:17.47 | ompaul | goes for lunch |
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| 13:18.16 | abrotman | greenit: do you have a usb stick ? |
| 13:18.30 | ompaul | babilen: there are two pastes by vaillor above - the critical part is client->client / server->server ime but you may differ :-) |
| 13:18.32 | greenit | abrotman, yeah, i installed from usb-stick |
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| 13:18.56 | abrotman | greenit: do you have another computer/OS? |
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| 13:19.11 | greenit | yeah, i am in irc-chat with it |
| 13:19.26 | vaillor | i created all certs on my server |
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| 13:19.36 | vaillor | then i copied client certs on each client |
| 13:19.40 | berzerka | hey homies. is there a recommended way to configure the io-scheduler per device in debian? |
| 13:19.42 | abrotman | greenit: so grab the iwlwifi package from packages.debian.org |
| 13:20.27 | greenit | abrotman, the iwlwifi-package is already installed, but even though i changed my sources.list to point to testing instead of squeeze, apt-get does not find any single package to upgrade... |
| 13:20.39 | berzerka | i want to set the deadline scheduler only for my ssd system drive, preferrably by device id / disk label. |
| 13:20.46 | Towzzer | abrtoman why does debian use new kernals that are awesome and red hat uses old kernels with only security fixes back ported |
| 13:20.52 | Cyis-work | Anyone know if it's possible to get multi path root installation in either Squeeze or Testing/Wheezy? Wiki page doesn't look like it's been updated in almost a year |
| 13:21.05 | abrotman | greenit: a) point at wheezy, not testing b) pastebin your sources.list and hte output of 'aptitude update' |
| 13:21.06 | greenit | abrotman, oh, and btw... how can i connect to a network via wlan without gui? there is no network-manager installed as it seems.... |
| 13:21.20 | abrotman | greenit: man interfaces |
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| 13:21.37 | ompaul | vaillor: two things, one I am 99.9999999% sure that you must use tap on xp, and secondly when that is done, if your errors are identical then I suggest you recreate the keys and share them again, it looks like a copying error to me - you can test this by using the default keys that come with openvpn and if it works thenyou know you made an error, I can't offer any other help as the issue is on windows with zero regard to the fact that the client is |
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| 13:21.38 | ompaul | debian |
| 13:21.45 | gucki | hi guys. i have a problem: i have eth0 defined as dhcp and eth0:0 as static. whenever the dhcp client (isc-dhcp-client) renews its configuration it removes/ brings down eth0:0. How can I fix this? |
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| 13:22.29 | ompaul | vaillor: your configs look reasonable but without being hands on on them I can't say otherwise |
| 13:22.50 | ompaul | vaillor: and I don't want to be hands on |
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| 13:23.45 | bicchi | is it possible to upgrade a server incrementally? I am running 6.0.2 and i just wish to upgrade to ONLY 6.0.3 but not to 6.0.4 or higher. |
| 13:24.33 | abrotman | bicchi: eh, why? |
| 13:24.40 | abrotman | and not really without a fair amount of work |
| 13:25.35 | bicchi | i have requirements for this. i though about putting a DVD for that release and upgrading that way. is there another way? |
| 13:25.58 | abrotman | that's a weird requirement |
| 13:26.01 | greenit | abrotman, nvm, i found the reason... i forgot to write "main" in the deb-line..... |
| 13:26.15 | abrotman | "Let's ignore security and bug fixes" :) |
| 13:26.18 | abrotman | greenit: good deal! |
| 13:26.23 | greenit | abrotman, but, how do i get the network-icon and automatic interface-up in kde? |
| 13:26.51 | abrotman | greenit: you'll install network-manager-kde eventually |
| 13:26.58 | greenit | abrotman, ok, thx |
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| 13:28.28 | kaste | Is it normal that tftp doesn't leave any trace of output in the logs? |
| 13:28.48 | kaste | and that it returns with error code 71 upon trying to start in.tftpd -L or -l |
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| 13:31.42 | gucki | no idea? :-( |
| 13:31.49 | berzerka | gucki, you have to configure the static ip alias via dhclient.conf, not simply via interfaces since the physical interface will be put up/down if dhcp configures it. at least that from my understanding of man dhclient.conf, that is (section Alias Declarations). |
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| 13:32.14 | berzerka | gucki, sorry for bad grammar :P |
| 13:32.17 | gucki | berzerka: mh ok, thanks...i'll have a look at this :) |
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| 13:34.21 | vaillor | ompaul, now i need to update version |
| 13:34.24 | vaillor | of openvpn |
| 13:35.22 | ksk | hey. im using chrome and mailto: links seem to open firefox - how do i set it to $mailclient? (in general, how do i find out which "mime-type" to feed xdg-set with to tell him to use claws-mail for it?) |
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| 13:35.33 | ompaul | vaillor: wrong, but if you must you must http://wiki.debian.org/DebianExperimental however be aware that mixing repos is a critical error in my judgement if you are not used to it |
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| 13:36.09 | ompaul | vaillor: and if you want to install from openvpn make sure you remove the current version and it's configs (but the error is in your keys I'm telling you) |
| 13:36.25 | ompaul | vaillor: apt-get remove --purge openvpn |
| 13:36.26 | edheldil | Hi all, is there a good doc on packaging django apps? I have found one that was rather fuzzy in details |
| 13:36.43 | edheldil | (packaging into debs) |
| 13:36.50 | berzerka | ksk, xdg-mime query filetype <file> |
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| 13:37.18 | ksk | berzerka: and file is what? :> |
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| 13:37.40 | berzerka | ksk: oh sorry didnt read carefully enough.. |
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| 13:39.59 | saiarcot895 | Can an upstream tarball generated by Gitorious (online) be repackaged into xz to save space? |
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| 13:42.39 | Towzzer | I was thinking they should switch to lzm |
| 13:42.40 | Towzzer | a |
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| 13:42.48 | Towzzer | imagine the worldwide bandwidth savings |
| 13:43.26 | ompaul | vaillor: what that error you got means is that you are trying to mix versions of debian with different dependencies never a good idea you will break one or the other |
| 13:43.39 | ompaul | please keep conversation in this channel thank you or I will use /ignore |
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| 13:45.07 | ompaul | !tell vaillor about it |
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| 13:46.26 | saiarcot895 | Towzzer: I read that xz is expected to replace lzma, and that based on tests, they have roughly the same compression ratio for non-binary files |
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| 13:47.12 | Towzzer | lzma is usally much better |
| 13:47.17 | Towzzer | than gzip |
| 13:47.27 | saiarcot895 | that is certainly trye |
| 13:47.29 | saiarcot895 | *true |
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| 13:48.23 | saiarcot895 | But I was talking about xz, not gzip |
| 13:48.29 | zjhxmjl | hi,guys |
| 13:48.36 | jangkr|k | hi |
| 13:48.55 | berzerka | ksk: you mean if you click mailto: links inside chrome, firefox opens? |
| 13:49.00 | zjhxmjl | how to enable pseudo static in apache |
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| 13:51.06 | berzerka | ksk: which desktop environment are you using, if any? |
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| 13:51.34 | ksk | berzerka: yes, thats what i wanted to say. using fluxbox (that does not really matter, because chrome uses xdg-open whatever desktop you use IIRC) |
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| 13:54.13 | berzerka | ksk, looking at /usr/bin/xdg-email as well as /usr/bin/xdg-open, they seem to try to detect your running desktop environment. emails seem to be opened using the BROWSER variable in the generic DE environment case, thus firefox opens. |
| 13:54.30 | berzerka | s/DE/desktop |
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| 13:55.59 | HAPPYFUNBALL | how can I check for users who are able to log into my host via password? |
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| 13:57.32 | berzerka | HAPPYFUNBALL, check /etc/ssh/sshd_config for PasswordAuthentication and PermitRootLogin, and look at /etc/passwd for the user's shell. those with an interactive shell (and not e.g. /bin/false) are permitted to log in. |
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| 13:58.44 | HAPPYFUNBALL | hm |
| 13:59.00 | berzerka | hm? |
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| 13:59.41 | mtree | hi there |
| 13:59.42 | HAPPYFUNBALL | seems like there are a lot of users who can login then |
| 13:59.50 | ksk | berzerka: thanks for that information. setting BROWSER does not seem to help. but this issue is not too serious anayway. |
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| 14:00.13 | HAPPYFUNBALL | berzerka like, www-data has /bin/sh |
| 14:00.18 | HAPPYFUNBALL | does that even make sense? |
| 14:00.38 | ksk | its debians default. |
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| 14:00.59 | HAPPYFUNBALL | does that mean someone could login as www-data? |
| 14:01.00 | ksk | but not too much sense, no. only if you want the www-data user to login.. |
| 14:01.10 | mtree | Im running sshd server for my friends to run some irc sessions and django/node websites. We ran out of memory lately and i'm wondering what is the best non-intrusive control of memory usage? We have grsec hardened kernel 3.2. Any ideas? |
| 14:01.10 | ksk | that depends on furhter things ;) |
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| 14:01.35 | HAPPYFUNBALL | ksk like what |
| 14:01.47 | berzerka | ksk: setting BROWSER to thunderbird is not such a good idea after all. other people seem to have the same problem.. |
| 14:01.54 | HAPPYFUNBALL | there are a ton of users in passwd |
| 14:02.09 | ksk | berzerka: i set it to google-chrome, but firefox is still called |
| 14:02.09 | HAPPYFUNBALL | how can I go about determining which ones are actually necessary> |
| 14:02.18 | berzerka | ksk, anyways cant you just configure chromium to use tb insteead of xdg-{open,email}? |
| 14:02.32 | ksk | dont think so, but will look this up |
| 14:02.34 | berzerka | ksk, are you sure the BROWSER setting is effective for the running chromium instance? |
| 14:02.48 | ksk | good point. restarting :) |
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| 14:03.48 | mtree | One of our users executed this code http://sprunge.us/MTfK?c, what is the best way to protect from memory exhaustion? |
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| 14:04.20 | ksk | mtree: maybe ulimits? maybe virtualisation |
| 14:04.28 | HAPPYFUNBALL | hm |
| 14:04.53 | ksk | HAPPYFUNBALL: like www-data has a valid passwort (not ! in /etc/shadow) |
| 14:05.02 | ksk | which he should not have per default |
| 14:05.08 | ompaul | selinux or something like that - but if you have users who can do that - and they do it over and over again - I'd be inclined to remove their access |
| 14:05.22 | ksk | mhm he has "*" in etc shadow, just wondering what that means.. |
| 14:05.24 | ompaul | mtree: ^^ |
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| 14:05.31 | berzerka | HAPPYFUNBALL, oh yes, they need to have a password set, as well.. |
| 14:05.45 | deepy | mtree: I hope you informed your user about the consequences of his actions |
| 14:05.45 | HAPPYFUNBALL | ok |
| 14:05.53 | deepy | mtree: and subsequently nuked his homefolder |
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| 14:06.02 | deepy | mtree: and blamed it on memory loss |
| 14:06.02 | berzerka | HAPPYFUNBALL, * or ! mean no password |
| 14:06.32 | HAPPYFUNBALL | ok |
| 14:06.54 | HAPPYFUNBALL | so to be clear, I can set /bin/false for any accounts that I do no specifically use to login to this machine, right? |
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| 14:07.25 | jhutchins_wk | HAPPYFUNBALL: Generally you shouldn't mess with it. |
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| 14:07.53 | ompaul | HAPPYFUNBALL: altering the defaults which are somewhat sensible may lead to unexpected results - ones you don't want |
| 14:07.56 | jhutchins_wk | HAPPYFUNBALL: Unless it's an account you created manually, you should leave the defaults as they are. |
| 14:08.03 | HAPPYFUNBALL | ok |
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| 14:08.29 | berzerka | HAPPYFUNBALL, yes. but then you also won't be able to su - into that account.. which might matter or not. but jhutchins_wk advice is definitely best, just leave default stuff as it is. |
| 14:08.40 | jhutchins_wk | HAPPYFUNBALL: The man pages explain a little more about what the various settings mean in the different files. |
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| 14:09.25 | HAPPYFUNBALL | hm |
| 14:09.26 | HAPPYFUNBALL | ok |
| 14:10.22 | berzerka | so anyone knows how to set the per-device by-label/id io scheduler using sysctl.conf for example? i don't like putting stuff in rc.local, really. |
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| 14:11.56 | HAPPYFUNBALL | ok |
| 14:12.22 | HAPPYFUNBALL | now, what is the easiest way to restart a machine? I need to switch out of single user mode |
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| 14:12.46 | et | "reboot"? |
| 14:12.46 | neglesaks | halt, i should think |
| 14:12.52 | berzerka | HAPPYFUNBALL, init 2 |
| 14:13.26 | HAPPYFUNBALL | init 2? |
| 14:13.31 | berzerka | HAPPYFUNBALL, to reBOOT your should of courst halt/shutdown/reboot/ctrl-alt-delete, whatever |
| 14:14.07 | berzerka | HAPPYFUNBALL, yes to switch from runlevel 1 (single user mode) back to runlevel 2 (default multi user mode) |
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| 14:15.53 | HAPPYFUNBALL | lol |
| 14:16.00 | HAPPYFUNBALL | mounting local filesystem: failed! |
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| 14:17.24 | berzerka | HAPPYFUNBALL, depending on what you have done, might be better to reboot entirely, but of course everyone wants to avoid that if possible :) |
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| 14:17.46 | HAPPYFUNBALL | how can I determine what the "local" filesystem is? |
| 14:17.47 | vaillor | i downloaded sources of openvpn |
| 14:17.49 | vaillor | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.51 | vaillor | finished |
| 14:18.03 | HAPPYFUNBALL | I mean, I can access my websites on that server |
| 14:18.03 | vaillor | but when i type "openvpn" i get "command not found |
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| 14:18.16 | HAPPYFUNBALL | so obviously the local filesystem is mounted |
| 14:18.33 | ompaul | HAPPYFUNBALL: type reboot and see how you go |
| 14:18.42 | HAPPYFUNBALL | I did reboot |
| 14:18.50 | HAPPYFUNBALL | and it worked |
| 14:18.55 | jhutchins_wk | berzerka: halt != reboot. For a remote machine it means no more access. |
| 14:19.00 | HAPPYFUNBALL | but it stil said the local filesystem isn't mounted |
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| 14:19.06 | HAPPYFUNBALL | no, I used reboot |
| 14:19.29 | ompaul | HAPPYFUNBALL: on that machine type the following as root fsck -l and put put the output on http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:19.53 | HAPPYFUNBALL | what will that do? |
| 14:19.54 | berzerka | HAPPYFUNBALL, oh yes. i did not propose halt in the first place. wanted to mention reboot and shutdown -r actually. good point of course. |
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| 14:20.17 | neglesaks | i did. sorry i didnt catch that the machine in question was not immediaely acessibæe |
| 14:20.22 | ompaul | HAPPYFUNBALL: tell us what you need to do next to fix that mystery error |
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| 14:23.16 | HAPPYFUNBALL | ok |
| 14:23.21 | HAPPYFUNBALL | I will have to do that in a bit |
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| 14:23.35 | HAPPYFUNBALL | my host needs to unblock SSH |
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| 14:26.16 | dmonjo | i have a tcp open port 35034 |
| 14:26.19 | dmonjo | what is it used for |
| 14:26.26 | dmonjo | how can i know which process is running it? |
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| 14:29.34 | berzerka | dmonjo, netstat --inet -p |
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| 14:29.53 | berzerka | dmonjo, -n to suppress dns lookups |
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| 14:30.14 | dmonjo | rpc.statd 606 statd 7u IPv4 3067 0t0 TCP *:35034 (LISTEN) |
| 14:30.26 | dmonjo | lsof -i |
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| 14:38.14 | ogzy | i need help on suexec settings on squeeze, i followe the article: http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-set-up-apache2-with-mod_fcgid-and-php5-on-debian-squeeze but it didn't worked, still i can run the php files belongs to the root |
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| 14:40.08 | dmonjo | I do not issue any guarantee that this will work for you! |
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| 14:45.39 | geekwani | What is the expected release date of Debian Wheezy ? |
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| 14:47.03 | jelly | !wheezy pool 1 |
| 14:47.05 | dpkg | ! blubberdiblub=2013-04-07 lisandro=2013-04-26 enrico=2013-03-25 madamezou=2013-04-01 5ynrg=2013-04-26 shirish=2013-05-15 LtL=2013-05-21 rizlah=2013-01-02 bolt=2013-04-01 TCW=2013-02-17 bab1len=2013-05-04 cousin_luigi=2013-01-14 tremon=2013-01-26 je11y=2013-05-07 comps=2013-02-20 m1|=2013-06-13 chealer=2012-12-20 jordanm=2013-08-21 peterrooney=2013-02-08 Arrowmaster=2012-12-12 s1monr7n=2013-03-23 themi11=2013-03-15 abrotman=2013-06-01 |
| 14:47.12 | jelly | geekwani: pick a date, any date |
| 14:47.37 | berzerka | geekwani, when its done ;) from the latest debian project news: http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2013/05/#wheezy |
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| 14:48.37 | sianios | hello guys, I have removed gnome3-environment and i think there are some leftovers also I installed MATE-environment but I want also to uninstall it to install something else, can u help me? :D |
| 14:48.56 | geekwani | ok :) |
| 14:49.47 | berzerka | sianios, do apt-get autoremove to get rid of leftovers |
| 14:50.00 | berzerka | sianios, i don't know MATE-environment |
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| 14:51.42 | sianios | berzerka: MATE-desktop is a fork of GNOME2 :) thanks btw |
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| 14:53.02 | somiaj | sianios: you can actually have various desktops/wm living side by side. So you don't have to unintsall one to install the other |
| 14:53.19 | somiaj | sianios: but yes use autoremove (or aptitude) to uninstall all the auto packages that got pulled in with the meta package |
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| 14:55.47 | sianios | somiaj: my computer is kinda old and slow, Gnome3 makes it even more slower so I wanted to try something else :) |
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| 14:57.50 | berzerka | sianios, i would recommend xfce4 if you need a full desktop environment with a feel similar to gnome/kde. it is much more lightweight. |
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| 15:00.18 | sianios | berzerka: ok thanks, I was thinking about installing it |
| 15:00.27 | Brigo | sianios: what are you looking for? |
| 15:00.29 | berzerka | sianios, even less bloated ones would be enlightenment or blackbox, and if you really don't need all those desktop features, but rather advanced (keyboard oriented) window management capabilities, look at one of the thousand tiling based wms, like dwm/i3/awesome... of the tiling window managers, the |
| 15:00.47 | jhutchins_wk | lxde |
| 15:01.20 | berzerka | sianios, sorry, my sentence structures are really horrible today :P |
| 15:02.02 | sianios | it's ok Brigo berzerka helped my enough thanks! |
| 15:02.50 | jerd | Hi, I was wondering how I should response when people ask me what kind of 'Linux' I'm running? Is it GNU/Debian or Debian? I just started with some simple practice related servers but boy do I get caught up in politics, hehe. |
| 15:03.06 | berzerka | jerd, it is Debian GNU/Linux. |
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| 15:03.38 | jerd | berzerka: Can you elaborate on that? |
| 15:04.40 | berzerka | jerd, well. "Linux" is, after all, just the operating system kernel, which does not compromise a complete operating system. |
| 15:04.58 | jerd | berzerka: Yeah I understand that |
| 15:05.15 | deepy | I would argue against you on that point |
| 15:05.39 | deepy | It's meaningless to add in GNU, Linux is Linux, no matter what software you run on it |
| 15:06.04 | jerd | I don't want to start a flameware, mind me, I just want to understand it :) |
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| 15:06.14 | berzerka | deepy, well i am about to try a Debian GNU/Hurd installation which even the wheezy installer will support if i am informed correctly. no linux on that system, then. |
| 15:06.29 | deepy | berzerka: that's GNU/Hurd :-) |
| 15:06.42 | deepy | It's Hurd, they can call Hurd whatever they want |
| 15:06.43 | jerd | I read about GNU, it's a set of tools/OS/philisophy? |
| 15:06.58 | Brigo | deepy: yes, Linux is linux. And GNU/Linux is GNU/Linux, and GNU/Linux is not Linux :-) |
| 15:07.01 | berzerka | jerd, ok i will just stop here in order not to start a picky flamewar about this. |
| 15:07.20 | deepy | jerd: the rationale behind the naming is flawed and the arguments from the people against it are equalled flawed |
| 15:08.00 | jerd | berzerka: :) |
| 15:08.04 | berzerka | jerd, point is, that people should mention the GNU part when referring to the system as a whole, in order to give proper credit to the whole userland stuff which was developed as part of the GNU project, which is not directly related to the linux kernel. |
| 15:08.06 | Brigo | deepy: you can ask gnu.org |
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| 15:08.34 | jerd | berzerka: I understand that, credit is where credit should be I believe. |
| 15:09.21 | deepy | An userland does not make an operating system, the OS is independant of the userland. There is no need to make names silly by naming it after applications being run by the operating system |
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| 15:09.51 | Trewas | berzerka: OTOH GNU is responsible for quite small part of a current desktop linux userland |
| 15:09.54 | berzerka | deepy, yes you are correct. linux is the operating system, in the strict sense. but really lets not get too picky. |
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| 15:10.05 | Brigo | Trewas: OTOH? |
| 15:10.11 | Trewas | Brigo: on the other hand |
| 15:10.17 | Brigo | Trewas: thanks :-) |
| 15:10.20 | deepy | berzerka: let's replace GCC with CLANG and move into the 21st century |
| 15:10.32 | jerd | I like debian cause it's proven to be stable. I think I made the right choice starting with this OS |
| 15:10.40 | berzerka | ok i am definitely out of that discussion. have fun ;) |
| 15:11.04 | tjiggi_fo | heh, I'm using Intel-Nvidia-Debian-GNU-Linux |
| 15:11.16 | jerd | tjiggi_fo: lol |
| 15:11.34 | deepy | tjiggi_fo: have a closer look at the NVidia, who made the components? |
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| 15:11.58 | tjiggi_fo | deepy, my point exactly |
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| 15:17.51 | Uranio | exist any support for Trippe Lite UPS in debian? |
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| 15:19.11 | jelly | Uranio: since NUT is available in Debian, try and google for: tripplite NUT |
| 15:20.20 | Uranio | jelly: thanks |
| 15:20.36 | djevlenn | im looking for iptables expert who could take a look on my iptables.rules file and just check if this is acceptable. http://pastebin.com/hzvh0rzR |
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| 15:20.53 | jelly | Uranio: the driver and support available will vary depending on the particular model |
| 15:23.02 | petn-randall | djevlenn: unacepptable :) |
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| 15:23.12 | streulma | hello |
| 15:23.15 | petn-randall | s/unacepptable/unacceptable/ |
| 15:23.23 | streulma | hello, my nas says passwd: module unknown |
| 15:23.54 | petn-randall | streulma: hi, but what does this have to do with Debian? |
| 15:24.19 | streulma | petn-randall: debian 6 on the nas :) |
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| 15:24.49 | petn-randall | streulma: ok, accepted then :) |
| 15:25.01 | jelly | djevlenn: there's a #Netfilter channel for iptables, if you're looking for consultants |
| 15:25.16 | jelly | or just iptables support in general |
| 15:25.25 | erry | :D |
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| 15:25.31 | erry | oops mistab |
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| 15:25.58 | petn-randall | djevlenn: I'd put the RELATED,ESTABLISHED as the first rule. Also, you can skip all those extra drop check at the end if you just set your policy to drop. |
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| 15:27.11 | jelly | setting policy to drop is not a great idea unless you have easy console access |
| 15:27.22 | DammitJim | what is the proper way to write a script to update the smb.conf file? |
| 15:27.34 | DammitJim | or any configuration file for that matter? |
| 15:27.56 | jelly | DammitJim: on how many servers? |
| 15:28.01 | DammitJim | I thought I could just do an echo " " > /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 15:28.09 | DammitJim | but I get errors of permission even with sudo |
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| 15:28.30 | DammitJim | jelly, not sure... I'm just laying the ground for the next server we set up |
| 15:28.38 | DammitJim | does that make sense? |
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| 15:28.44 | jelly | DammitJim: the redirection gets evaulted by the local shell, before sudo is run |
| 15:28.50 | jelly | evaluated* |
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| 15:29.17 | jelly | DammitJim: run the script as root. |
| 15:29.24 | DammitJim | evaulted sounds pretty professional, though... don't change it to evaluated |
| 15:29.33 | streulma | petn-randall: fixed :) ln -s /lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/security/pam_cracklib.so /lib/security/ |
| 15:29.44 | DammitJim | oh ok, just specify that the user needs to call sudo when running the script, right? |
| 15:29.51 | petn-randall | jelly: that's why you accept ESTABLISHED,RELATED first to make sure your current SSH connection still works even if everything else doesn't :) |
| 15:30.21 | jelly | petn-randall: step a) human admin does iptables -F to clean up current rules |
| 15:30.58 | jelly | step b) human admin wonders why the connection is stalled |
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| 15:31.43 | jelly | DammitJim: that's an option. If you're going to create the file from scratch, you might as well cp it. |
| 15:31.49 | zophy | nytimes.com is down |
| 15:32.12 | petn-randall | jelly: I prefer to have a fail deadly setup regarding firewalls. I'd prefer to drop things if in doubt, instead of letting stuff through I didn't think of. |
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| 15:32.27 | sianios | ok guys one question, i kinda destroied a Debian VirtualMachine and i want enter terminal before it loads any environment, how i do that? |
| 15:32.38 | DarkKnightCZ | hi, anybody knows, how to force freshclam to use ipv4 instead of ipv6? |
| 15:32.46 | petn-randall | jelly: Though I can live with it if other people have a diffent opinion about that :0 |
| 15:33.55 | jelly | petn-randall: that can be accomplished using the last drop all rule, while still taking care of this specific human error |
| 15:34.07 | jelly | but yeah |
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| 15:35.24 | petn-randall | jelly: Ah, I see what you're getting at. A '-j DROP' at the end without any conditions instead of a DROP policy. Sounds like it makes a lot of sense. |
| 15:37.18 | petn-randall | jelly: Of course the question is what the admin will notice first, a firewall that lets everything through, or one that lets through nothing :-> |
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| 15:38.55 | et | sianios: make it mount the installer iso and boot that, it has a rescue prompt ... |
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| 15:52.59 | et- | i made the move from squeeze to wheezy. can i check for leftover packages from squeeze? |
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| 15:55.09 | kruug | I'm trying to be able to view foreign fonts in irssi running in screen on Debian 6 |
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| 15:55.21 | kruug | I followed this guide: http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi/#utf8_in_irssi_and_screen |
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| 15:55.24 | kruug | Still no luck |
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| 16:09.18 | asturel | hi i have debian 6 (32bit) what needs for ipv6 support?:D |
| 16:09.28 | asturel | since i cant set up 6to4 tunnels |
| 16:09.40 | asturel | ioctl: No such device |
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| 16:10.11 | asturel | i think it needs sit and ipv6 module |
| 16:10.20 | sparadokos | when I chown -R me:me /home/me Everything but the .. changes. .. stay's as root:root is it normal for that to never change? |
| 16:10.41 | rww | sparadokos: .. refers to /home/, so yes. |
| 16:11.04 | sparadokos | rww: k, ty! |
| 16:11.31 | sparadokos | I just copied my /home/me over to a drive and it is all mangled on who owns it so I fixed it or think I did. |
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| 16:13.55 | somiaj | sparadokos: you should look at rsync or cp -a (that way all your permissions are preserved in the copy) (: |
| 16:14.20 | sparadokos | somiaj: looking now :) |
| 16:14.55 | somiaj | the -a (or archive flag) for cp is nice, I just prefer rsync myself |
| 16:15.15 | sparadokos | I've never used rsync so it might be time :) |
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| 16:20.43 | sparadokos | somiaj: Think I like rsync more. thanks for the recomendation |
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| 16:28.39 | djp__ | what is the debian way to set http_proxy? is it to manually edit /etc/environment? |
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| 16:29.37 | djp__ | sorry i should have made it clear, system-wide changes... |
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| 16:34.30 | DX099 | hello, I'm running Ubuntu 12.10 and have Virtualisation software. As I'm starting to be displeased by the Canonical handles the community among other things. I want to try it the "mama" of all those derivatives (Ubuntu, Mint). I really like aptitude and don't want to lose the ability to install from ppas. I willing then to try out a Debian virtual machine, and was wondering whether I should go for Testing or Unstable since stable woul |
| 16:34.31 | DX099 | d be too old for me I think. |
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| 16:35.43 | Towzzer | dx099, you should use wheezy which is testing |
| 16:35.44 | ksk | testing. |
| 16:35.55 | ksk | one should not use unstable if you have no good reasons. |
| 16:36.12 | Towzzer | thanks yoda |
| 16:36.14 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.40 | DX099 | alright. I found torrents for stable but are there any for Testing ? |
| 16:36.51 | DX099 | I'm still a green horn regarding rsync |
| 16:37.17 | somiaj | DX099: wheezy is almost stable anyways, so use it. Note don't use ppas with debian, they are rarely designed for debian. |
| 16:37.37 | DX099 | somiaj, ah :/ |
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| 16:38.15 | Towzzer | dx099 http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:38.18 | somiaj | DX099: debian has tons of packages so most are available in debian. But since most ppa's are not complied against debian's libs you do not want to install binaries, instead you will want to compile the code. |
| 16:38.45 | somiaj | DX099: you can use third party sources that are designed for debian (not any of its dervatives), but even in that case some are known to cause issues. |
| 16:39.23 | DX099 | somiaj, I like ppa for not having to compile when I want the slighest piece of software that 's too new for being in the repos... |
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| 16:40.31 | djp__ | let me try and put my question a better way... if i want to set a system wide env variable for http_proxy, should i edit /etc/environment manually? |
| 16:40.41 | zykotick9 | DX099: honestly, if using PPAs is a big thing for you - i'd suggest sticking to ubuntu/mint. |
| 16:40.57 | somiaj | DX099: the problem is the binaries are complied against specific versions of libaries. The version of the libs in ubuntu are different than that of debian are different than that of mint. So you can cause problems by installing random binaries |
| 16:41.09 | DX099 | ok |
| 16:41.28 | somiaj | DX099: now if the binares are compiled against debians libaries, that is a different story. In most cases ppa's do not provided a debian version. |
| 16:42.19 | somiaj | I recntally ran into an issue where ubuntu 10 was to old and ubuntu 12 was to new to run a precompiled binary on debian wheezy. |
| 16:42.47 | DX099 | somiaj, alright http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/ which image can I choose ? |
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| 16:43.39 | somiaj | DX099: the netinstall is enough in most cases |
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| 16:45.43 | Towzzer | dx099 you are going to love debian |
| 16:46.19 | somiaj | also stick with debian stable and learn about backports, running testing or unstable should only be done if you really love breaking things when they break |
| 16:46.35 | somiaj | my last unstable upgrade made me waste a whole day fixing things instead of breaking as an example. |
| 16:46.51 | Towzzer | this is for a server right? |
| 16:46.55 | DX099 | no |
| 16:46.56 | Towzzer | you aren't planning to watch videos or anything right? |
| 16:46.57 | Towzzer | oh |
| 16:46.58 | Towzzer | oh my |
| 16:47.01 | DX099 | desktop install |
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| 16:47.46 | Timsole | Hi all |
| 16:47.51 | DX099 | hi |
| 16:48.38 | Timsole | Hi dx |
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| 16:48.58 | somiaj | Towzzer: debian works just fine as a desktop. (: |
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| 16:52.25 | somiaj | Towzzer: no need to PM me, and I am able to view all media from debian packages with out having to install additional codecs |
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| 16:52.57 | somiaj | I will admit that libdvdcss is a slight pain for dvd's, but I haven't ran into media files I cannot play. |
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| 16:53.31 | somiaj | (note this was an issue in the past, but isn't that much any more) |
| 16:53.58 | DX099 | really ? it reads mkvs and ogg and flac right from install ? |
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| 16:54.23 | nezZarioz | Ok |
| 16:55.04 | mtn | somiaj: so libdvdcss is not necessary for dvds? |
| 16:55.20 | somiaj | mtn: only for encrypted dvds, which many are |
| 16:55.29 | mtn | somiaj: ah so, no change then |
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| 16:55.54 | somiaj | and due to leagel reasons is not in debian. You can get a copy from deb-multimedia that works fine to install (I just wouldn't suggest usint the repo) |
| 16:58.31 | nezZarioz | I always had issues finding the xen install kernels |
| 16:58.31 | nezZarioz | anyone have the link handy? |
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| 17:03.04 | somiaj | nezZarioz: what do you mean by xen install kernels? Are you looking for an installer that has a dom0 kernel to install from the start? |
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| 17:05.26 | nezZarioz | no there is a special little kernel/initrd to install debian as a domu |
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| 17:05.39 | nezZarioz | it's the installer packaged in those two files |
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| 17:07.03 | somiaj | nezZarioz: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen -- does that help. One note is Xen was removed from debian, so as of wheezy debian won't have native xen support. |
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| 17:08.41 | ksk | somiaj: nonono |
| 17:08.59 | ksk | there may have been some extra xen packages removed from debian |
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| 17:09.20 | ksk | but xen itself went into mainline some months ago - so you will be able to use it in wheezy (with the standard debian kernel i guesS) |
| 17:09.52 | somiaj | ksk: oh that is what happened, I didn't realize xen made it into the mainline kernel. I thought it was being replaced with kvm |
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| 17:11.53 | ksk | iirc some distros (rhel,..) said that kvm would be their primary virtualisation in future releases |
| 17:12.00 | nezZarioz | it's just dom0 support |
| 17:12.03 | ksk | dunno what debian says about that |
| 17:12.09 | nezZarioz | domu support will be in the mainline linux kernel |
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| 17:12.43 | nezZarioz | xen went into mainline linux much longer than months ago :) |
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| 17:14.50 | somiaj | well xen-utils package are only in squeeze and sid, no wheezy version |
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| 17:15.26 | somiaj | oh nevermind, just to many version, yea xen-utils-4.1 is in wheezy, guess I miss understood what I read about xen when I decided to go with kvm |
| 17:15.26 | nezZarioz | i don't need xen-utils for a domu, pretty sure those are for a dom0 |
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| 17:15.31 | nezZarioz | http://cdn.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/xen/ |
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| 17:15.39 | nezZarioz | they hide the crap ouutta those two little files |
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| 17:18.35 | DX099 | alright, I've got the netinstall installled. Now I want to plug in the network but ifconfig doesn't exist ? |
| 17:19.09 | nezZarioz | DX099 what do you mean ifconfig foesn't exist |
| 17:19.16 | nezZarioz | command not found? |
| 17:19.19 | DX099 | yes |
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| 17:19.27 | DX099 | well not installed ? |
| 17:19.34 | somiaj | are you running the command as a user or root? |
| 17:19.38 | DX099 | user |
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| 17:20.09 | somiaj | it is a root command located in /sbin, so it is not in the users $PATH |
| 17:20.19 | DX099 | ah |
| 17:20.20 | somiaj | either run it as /sbin/ifconfig or use root |
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| 17:21.59 | DX099 | how do I run sudo ? |
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| 17:22.18 | Nik05 | `sudo` |
| 17:22.34 | DX099 | command not found |
| 17:22.39 | Nik05 | then install it |
| 17:22.47 | DX099 | no network |
| 17:22.51 | Nik05 | then install it |
| 17:23.01 | DX099 | from where ? |
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| 17:23.07 | Nik05 | CD ? |
| 17:23.12 | jhutchins_wk | DX099: You can also use su - to become root. |
| 17:23.13 | somiaj | DX099: didn't you do this on a VM? Why don't you see a network? what does /sbin/ifconfig -a tell you? |
| 17:23.20 | jhutchins_wk | DX099: That's the default on Debian. |
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| 17:24.40 | DX099 | somiaj, I'm setting up network right now. I just wanted to simulate real time install, because my real computer can only connect via wifi. And I doubt that it will be available as a mean of connection in the netinstall. |
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| 17:25.17 | jhutchins_wk | DX099: It's getting better. I think the wheezy installer can use wpa |
| 17:25.55 | nullby7e | does will have a rc2? |
| 17:25.57 | somiaj | DX099: my suggestion is to copy over the firmware on a usbstick after you get a base install done. |
| 17:26.13 | somiaj | which is usually the problem with wifi |
| 17:26.21 | jigal_ | how can i mount my root partition with usrquota/groupquota ? |
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| 17:27.14 | jhutchins_wk | jigal_: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Quota.html |
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| 17:28.45 | DX099 | somiaj, sounds complicated for just install. Isn't there any desktop image with already working drivers ? |
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| 17:29.18 | jigal_ | jhutchins_wk, i saw tomething like this /dev/sda1 / ext3 usrquota,grpquota,errors=remount-ro 0 1 . But i don't have /dev/sda1 |
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| 17:29.42 | DX099 | now network install is done but it's very basic. How do I get a GUI and more ? |
| 17:30.32 | somiaj | !tell DX099 about installer firmware wheezy |
| 17:30.45 | somiaj | DX099: you can rerun 'tasksel' |
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| 17:31.10 | somiaj | DX099: or use apt-get/aptitude to install the software you want (you may have to set up your /etc/apt/sources.list first) |
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| 17:31.36 | DX099 | somiaj, when running tasksel, it does nothing |
| 17:31.41 | somiaj | jigal_: so modify it to the actual partition you want to mount, or use a UUID |
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| 17:31.59 | DX099 | I've already run aptitude update/upgrade but nothing happened |
| 17:32.18 | somiaj | check your /etc/apt/sources.list make sure you have internet sources |
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| 17:33.07 | somiaj | and running tasksel should open up a curses gui you can select pre defined tasks to install, you may need to update your sources.list first |
| 17:33.57 | SouL_ | Hello |
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| 17:34.06 | SouL_ | Someone knows what I can do with this? → http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=100033 |
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| 17:34.22 | DX099 | ah nano is installed at least :) |
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| 17:34.40 | DX099 | indeed, sources were still pointing at CD |
| 17:35.07 | somiaj | SouL_: what does dmesg say about that device, lsusb just shows it is plugged in |
| 17:35.31 | SouL_ | Ah, sorry, I'm new somiaj. Thank you, I'm going to do it. |
| 17:36.22 | SouL_ | I paste it here or with pastebin? |
| 17:36.45 | ompaul | never paste here |
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| 17:36.47 | DX099 | so can anyone help me getting a graphic interface and more basic packages ? |
| 17:36.58 | ompaul | http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:37.12 | somiaj | SouL_: there is a lot of info from dmesg, first you should try to read though it and see if you can figure it out, maybe paste any errors you get in dmesg in google |
| 17:37.25 | somiaj | DX099: debian gives you choice, what desktop/wm do you want to use? |
| 17:37.39 | DX099 | I'll go for Gnome shell |
| 17:37.42 | somiaj | DX099: again run 'tasksel' or 'apt-get install tasksel' and then run it, do you get an option to select various tasks? |
| 17:37.47 | somiaj | DX099: apt-get install gnome |
| 17:38.08 | DX099 | tasksel returns nothing even after updating from network |
| 17:38.23 | DX099 | no output at all. I'm running it as root |
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| 17:39.47 | ompaul | DX099: type tasksel it should do if you have put it in a terminal in debiqan |
| 17:39.48 | SouL_ | somiaj: This is my dmesg output → http://paste.debian.net/241261/ |
| 17:40.02 | somiaj | that is strange, it should open up a curses interface where you can select different things. |
| 17:40.09 | somiaj | DX099: apt-get install gnome will install gnome for you |
| 17:40.16 | ompaul | DX099: have you adjusted the size of the terminal you are running it in? |
| 17:40.19 | DX099 | yes it did so during install |
| 17:40.25 | DX099 | ompaul, all is default |
| 17:40.36 | DX099 | but right now, nothing |
| 17:40.44 | ompaul | DX099: ping www.google.com |
| 17:40.47 | ompaul | do you see the internet>? |
| 17:40.49 | somiaj | DX099: what about 'tasksel --list-tasks' |
| 17:40.53 | DX099 | yes |
| 17:41.12 | DX099 | I've already modified the sources and ran aptitude update |
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| 17:41.33 | ompaul | DX099: tasksel-data << did you install that? |
| 17:41.48 | DX099 | somiaj, I saw the man and tried that very command. It looks like it works for some more seconds but then nothing |
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| 17:42.08 | ompaul | DX099: if not please do so and run tasksel again |
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| 17:42.57 | DX099 | ompaul, tasksel-data package is installed |
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| 17:43.38 | ompaul | DX099: then you have something very wrong |
| 17:44.01 | ompaul | DX099: you hinted you modified sources - to what might I ask |
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| 17:47.03 | cheasee | hi |
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| 17:51.57 | DX099 | ompaul, all I did was commenting out the two lines beginning by "deb cdrom" |
| 17:52.05 | cheasee | im on wheezy and everything runs perfectly fine, just that the internal microphone isnt beeing used by audacity/skype/.. as all volume bars are on 100% in alsamixer and i noticed i may input sound via line-in plug, so recording works, just the wrong device gets selected. as the applications use pulseaudio ive looked in the pulseaudio config but there is no device selection config? where do i set that? |
| 17:52.05 | DX099 | *comment |
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| 17:52.34 | DX099 | and then removed comment characters on the right sources |
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| 17:54.14 | ompaul | DX099: all very good, but doesn't tell me what you have there so I can validate it. |
| 17:54.35 | DX099 | somiaj, when running tasksel with "--new-install" option I get that same interface as the one during install, but I can only select "Common system utilities" (rough translation from me) |
| 17:54.42 | DX099 | there's nothing else. |
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| 17:55.57 | somiaj | seems like your tasksel-data package is having issues, there should be more there |
| 17:56.05 | DX099 | ompaul, "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" |
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| 17:56.14 | ompaul | that's not all of it I hope |
| 17:56.15 | somiaj | oh you only have security.debian.org sources |
| 17:56.19 | somiaj | you need real sources |
| 17:56.29 | somiaj | (those are needed but will not contain anything right now) |
| 17:56.45 | ompaul | DX099: where are you located? |
| 17:56.54 | DX099 | France |
| 17:57.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell DX099 -about make wheezy sources.list |
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| 17:57.40 | ompaul | ah babilenI was going to write one up ;- |
| 17:57.42 | ompaul | ) |
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| 17:57.58 | babilen | DX099: You end up with something like http://paste.debian.net/241271/ |
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| 17:58.22 | DX099 | isn't there some utilities that can put up these for you automatically ? |
| 17:58.33 | babilen | ompaul: I simply have dpkg send that factoid and paste my ~/txt/notes/debian/wheezy_sources.list |
| 17:58.37 | ompaul | DX099: babilen just gave you want I want :) |
| 17:58.39 | DX099 | -I'll write them, I'm just asking- |
| 17:59.06 | DX099 | -> why it's not default ? |
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| 17:59.33 | ompaul | DX099: it does happen by default - perhaps you were not connected to the internet while you started your install |
| 17:59.39 | babilen | DX099: The sources.list are created according to your selections during the installation. (you might not have been offered all of them due to not using the expert install) |
| 17:59.50 | babilen | DX099: The installer also has to be connected ... |
| 17:59.51 | ompaul | or skipped something |
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| 18:00.06 | DX099 | ompaul, yes, that's what I explained, I wasn't connected to the internet to simulate real install. |
| 18:00.42 | ompaul | DX099: then it's not real, I didn't see that as I didn't use enough scroll back - anyway you now have enough info IF the box is wired up to make it all good |
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| 18:01.25 | ompaul | and as we see expert wasn't suitable |
| 18:01.44 | DX099 | alright. Shouldn't there be some way to rewrite sources.list automatically even in the case the machine wasn't connected to the internet during install , |
| 18:01.48 | DX099 | *? |
| 18:01.53 | ompaul | DX099: you picked expert |
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| 18:02.03 | DX099 | ompaul, hmm no |
| 18:02.07 | ompaul | it thinks you know what you are doing and yes there is but you have to know what you are doing |
| 18:02.25 | ompaul | DX099: if you think that's a bug file it, personally I don't |
| 18:02.55 | ompaul | you used netinstall? |
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| 18:03.00 | DX099 | yes |
| 18:03.28 | DX099 | I asked for desktop but I was told netinstall would be fine. |
| 18:03.38 | ompaul | again I think the hint is in the name - and if you think it should say in the installer - please make sure you have an internet connection - then file that box |
| 18:03.44 | ompaul | s/box/bug |
| 18:04.00 | ompaul | DX099: it is fine if you put a wire in the computer |
| 18:04.03 | babilen | DX099: We don't know what you want and using an editor to edit a single file is hardly magic. There /are/ frontends that make this "easier" such as synaptic, but in the end it boils down to simply writing the correct entries in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:04.06 | ompaul | DX099: I'm not here to debate the issue |
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| 18:06.27 | ompaul | DX099: before you consider filing such a bug have a look at this page http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 18:06.42 | blumenkraft | Hi, I have an Asus Zenbook Prime with Debian, and I cannot get any input from the built-in microphone |
| 18:06.50 | blumenkraft | I tried to follow the single command available here: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/UX32VD |
| 18:06.57 | blumenkraft | I ran as root: |
| 18:07.03 | blumenkraft | echo options snd-hda-intel model=alc269-dmic >> /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
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| 18:07.43 | DX099 | It's just that, I'm testing Debian, I will be installing it on a machine that is only connected through wifi, so I first wanted a sort of desktop install. But then I was told netsintall would be fine. So in order to do perfect simulation, I disabled the network in my vm to see if after installing on a real thing I would be able from there to connect to the internet and start installing the system. |
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| 18:08.45 | sparadokos | I'm trying to use scp to copy a file to my laptop and the directory has spaces in it so I use scp m3@host:hitchhicker's\ Guide/file.mp4 . But it returns me on a line with a > Does scp not recognize spaces in directories? |
| 18:08.46 | DX099 | I guess it's my fault for not specifying the wifi issue. |
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| 18:10.40 | dexta | evening |
| 18:11.03 | k-t | sparadokos: you need to escape the ' in hitchhiker's |
| 18:11.29 | ompaul | DX099: I'm going to tell you now that if you want to do that where there is no wire to get the box into the wifi you are going to make your life very very very hard - the easy way is four euros in cora should buy you a cable and then make netinstall perfect |
| 18:11.40 | ompaul | or one of those other shops |
| 18:12.40 | sparadokos | k-t ty |
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| 18:17.58 | ntzrmtthihu777 | Ubuntu user here, have a question about debian. there is a feature in ubuntu for organizing .desktop files, is this in debian? |
| 18:18.21 | babilen | DX099: What is the "wifi issue" ? |
| 18:18.40 | babilen | ntzrmtthihu777: Which feature do you refer to? |
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| 18:19.37 | ntzrmtthihu777 | babilen: in the .destop files there is a line (optional) called Categories. with this the .desktop file lands in the right tray in the gnome menu. |
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| 18:20.03 | chrisirc | Hello. I've got a case (once again? Seems like I had this in the past?) where ext4 would not release space that I freed. |
| 18:20.41 | babilen | ntzrmtthihu777: Okay, Debian ships .desktop files as well. (and Ubuntu is based on Debian) |
| 18:20.48 | chrisirc | I rm -rf'ed a whole /usr/src/linux directory containing 1.2GB of data, and free space went from 188MB to 206MB. |
| 18:21.04 | chrisirc | "sync", no change. |
| 18:21.21 | babilen | chrisirc: Any process that is still using those? (use lsof for example) |
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| 18:21.23 | chrisirc | So I scratched my head. Unpacked the new linux tgz, of course it ran into out of space quickly, 0 bytes left. |
| 18:21.27 | ntzrmtthihu777 | babilen: Yeah, I knew that ubu was based on deb, I just wanted to know if debian had the same feature in that department. |
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| 18:21.44 | ntzrmtthihu777 | babilen: does debian have anything akin to the gnome menu? |
| 18:21.45 | chrisirc | rm -rf'd the partially unpacked new linux dir, now I've got 50MB left. |
| 18:21.48 | babilen | ntzrmtthihu777: I don't think that it is Debian or Ubuntu specific but simply the way Gnome works |
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| 18:22.12 | chrisirc | babilen, see above, I didn't start any process that would keep those files open. Fresh untar, rm -rf and still lost space to it. |
| 18:22.14 | babilen | ntzrmtthihu777: Gnome has the Gnome menu and Debian ships gnome :) |
| 18:22.22 | Asmageddon | Hello |
| 18:22.27 | Asmageddon | I have an issue with Debian |
| 18:22.32 | Asmageddon | I can't find firefox in repos |
| 18:22.34 | Asmageddon | O.o |
| 18:22.40 | ntzrmtthihu777 | babilen: thankya, surveying different distros/de's for about this, possible change to PlayOnLinux |
| 18:22.44 | dexta | o_O |
| 18:22.46 | zinx | ntzrmtthihu777: there are Gnome menu editors for Debian, if that's what you're asking |
| 18:22.53 | Asmageddon | That said |
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| 18:22.56 | babilen | ntzrmtthihu777: If you are interested in installing Debian I would recommend to install wheezy at this point. See "/msg dpkg wheezy" and "/msg dpkg install wheezy" for further details. |
| 18:22.57 | ntzrmtthihu777 | zinx: nope, I got what I needed :D |
| 18:22.58 | Asmageddon | The install screwed up halfway |
| 18:23.07 | Asmageddon | Had nothing installed and had to add sources for apt-get manually |
| 18:23.19 | zinx | is wheezy frozen? |
| 18:23.24 | ntzrmtthihu777 | babilen: thankya, but I am pretty satisfied with my system as of right now. |
| 18:23.49 | ntzrmtthihu777 | babilen: like I said, just gathering info |
| 18:23.51 | babilen | Asmageddon: Firefox is not in Debian, but Debian ships Iceweasel which /is/ Firefox. (see "/msg dpkg why iceweasel") -- If you want/need a newer version than what comes with your release take a look at backports or http://mozilla.debian.net |
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| 18:24.07 | chrisirc | babilen, also I *did* check using lsof just for the sake of it, and didn't see any processes keeping those files open. |
| 18:24.16 | babilen | chrisirc: ack |
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| 18:24.20 | babilen | brb |
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| 18:30.38 | Asmageddon | Alrighty, thanks for help |
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| 18:32.53 | blubberdiblub | chrisirc, the old files that you deleted might have been hardlinked somewhere (tho the question would be by what/whom and why). so as long as there are links to the files, they will take up space |
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| 18:33.48 | chrisirc | blubberdiblub, yep, found out that I had them hardlinked. |
| 18:33.58 | chrisirc | Got the space of the first rm -rf back now. |
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| 18:34.20 | chrisirc | Although I'm still missing the ~150MB that went missing on the tar xf and then rm -rf. |
| 18:34.30 | chrisirc | There was no hardlinking involved there in between. |
| 18:34.42 | chrisirc | Strange, but anyway, back to work. |
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| 18:36.04 | kor | Hi, does some one knows? how can i change the priority and memory usage of some app? i mean permanently, thanks. |
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| 18:36.18 | SouL_ | Hey |
| 18:36.25 | SouL_ | Someone knows what I can do with this? → http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=100033 |
| 18:36.48 | sewen | when will wheezy finally release? The latest so called stable is now 25 months old... |
| 18:37.10 | rww | sewen: when it's ready |
| 18:37.13 | jhutchins_wk | sewen: So? What's wrong with that? |
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| 18:37.26 | jhutchins_wk | sewen: It's had ongoing updates. |
| 18:37.26 | ompaul | sewen: stable is stable |
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| 18:37.50 | sewen | wheezy is also inherently stable |
| 18:38.22 | sewen | and I find it ensnaring to still advice people to install squeeze... |
| 18:38.33 | ompaul | sewen: has it been released? |
| 18:38.45 | chrisirc | Ah, mystery solved, the commands I issued for the second part were: bzcat KERNELORG/linux-3.7.9.tar.bz2| tar x; rm -rf linux/ |
| 18:38.49 | chrisirc | note the path linux/ |
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| 18:39.01 | chrisirc | now, the tar unpacked it to linux-3.7.9/ |
| 18:39.04 | chrisirc | "LOL". |
| 18:39.17 | HS^ | is it very hard to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy ? |
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| 18:40.10 | sewen | !tell HS^ about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 18:40.50 | HS^ | i mean when its stable of course |
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| 18:41.25 | jhutchins_wk | HS^: Process will be the same. You can look at the errata now for any known problems. |
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| 18:41.58 | sewen | HS^: It will even be easier, essentially, it's updating the sources.list and dist-upgrade'ing with apt-get or aptitude |
| 18:42.13 | jmd | What is the correct way to clear apt's cache ? |
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| 18:42.49 | jhutchins_wk | jmd: aptitude/apt-get clean |
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| 18:43.21 | jhutchins_wk | sewen: We usually recommend apt-get, aptitude can get into dependency loops. |
| 18:43.35 | HS^ | the process looks easy... if itss also proble m free |
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| 18:43.44 | sewen | jhutchins_wk: okay |
| 18:43.53 | HS^ | i will only upgrade after its been stable for a long time |
| 18:44.04 | jmd | jhutchins_wk, Thanks |
| 18:44.07 | sewen | jhutchins_wk: but it's confusing since I read numerous official Debian literature, primarily on its website, that recommended aptitude over apt-get |
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| 18:52.18 | sianios | Hello guys, after long time in Ubuntu I want to install Debian, i have a netinstall of 6.0.6 but won't boot, my laptop is HP Pavilion dv6770se it came with windows installed |
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| 18:55.00 | kian_ | everything i type in terminal just reply: bash: su: command not found |
| 18:55.19 | kian_ | how to solve this problem |
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| 18:57.02 | rww | kian_: where "su" is the command you ran, or...? |
| 18:57.32 | djp__ | if i want to set a system wide environment variable for http_proxy, should i edit /etc/environment manually? |
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| 18:57.59 | kian_ | bash: where: command not found |
| 18:58.09 | rww | I'll take that as a yes |
| 18:58.16 | rww | kian_: what's the output of echo $PATH |
| 18:58.59 | kian_ | rww bash: $PATH:/opt/android-sdk-linux/tools:/opt/android-sdk-linux/platforms:/opt/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools: No such file or directory |
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| 18:59.27 | nkuttler | kian_: well that's wrong. you want /bin/ and /usr/bin/ at least |
| 18:59.30 | rww | kian_: go find the place where you messed with your PATH variable when setting up android, and fix the syntax |
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| 19:00.19 | kian_ | rww how to correct pass? |
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| 19:00.48 | kian_ | path |
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| 19:03.32 | rww | first step would be finding where you broke it. I don't have your memory, logs, or browser bookmarks handy, so I don't know what steps you followed that did that |
| 19:03.49 | rww | next, if you can't figure it out yourself, paste the broken line here and we'll figure it out I guess? |
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| 19:23.51 | NcW2233 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:28.36 | dondelelcaro | NcW2233: what's your question? That just means that it is difficult to guess the sequence numbers, which is good. |
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| 19:29.58 | dizzylizzy | it's safe to run "grub-install /dev/sda" on a system currently running off of /dev/sda right |
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| 19:31.33 | blubberdiblub | dizzylizzy, generally it's safe, unless you have some other bootloader there that you want to preserve |
| 19:31.44 | dizzylizzy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.46 | dizzylizzy | okay thanks! |
| 19:31.51 | blubberdiblub | dizzylizzy, you can also do: dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
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| 19:34.44 | dizzylizzy | Neat, thanks! |
| 19:34.55 | dizzylizzy | I've been learning the joys of dpkg-reconfigure lately :P |
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| 19:37.15 | blubberdiblub | dizzylizzy, hehe :) if you want to be asked more questions when installing or upgrading packages, you can also do "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" and choose low priority for the minimum priority of questions asked |
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| 19:39.20 | DX099 | hello again |
| 19:40.12 | dizzylizzy | oh yeaaaah |
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| 19:40.25 | dizzylizzy | blubberdiblub, I remember something like that when I was first trying debian back in 2008 or so |
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| 19:40.32 | dizzylizzy | thanks for the reminder :) |
| 19:40.38 | DX099 | now tasksel is showing interesting things however, I don't know how to select : when I press enter, the programs returns to prompt... |
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| 19:43.40 | DX099 | ompaul, can you help me ? |
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| 19:44.20 | zykotick9 | DX099: try SPACE to select |
| 19:45.00 | DX099 | thanks |
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| 19:46.31 | babilen | DX099: You can also simply install the packages directly (using tasksel or apt-get) -- See "man tasksel" for appropriate commands. |
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| 19:47.23 | DX099 | babilen, that's what I'm doing :) I was stuck with taskel, because it said nowhere that SPACE BAR = SELECT... or I misread |
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| 19:47.57 | babilen | DX099: I've never used tasksel interactively, but using the space bar for selection is pretty common |
| 19:48.23 | babilen | Okay, yes .. I did, during the installation :) |
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| 19:51.59 | DX099 | babilen, :) That's the first time I encounter such behaviour. |
| 19:52.25 | babilen | DX099: Run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" for another one :) |
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| 19:52.50 | cj | how do I check the default permissions of /etc/mail and /etc/mail/* in the sendmail package? |
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| 20:07.50 | mmcji | anyone have any experience with Kamailio and the Kamailio ims modules build on debian? |
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| 20:08.18 | babilen | !Kamailio |
| 20:08.18 | dpkg | Kamailio (formerly OpenSER) is an open source SIP proxy server. OpenSER is packaged for Debian, ITP for Kamailio in bug #527615. http://www.kamailio.org/ #openser and #kamailio on irc.freenode.net. See also <opensips>. |
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| 20:08.50 | babilen | mmcji: Maybe ^^^ has more people. (you would expect at least one person with /some/ experience to be in that channel) |
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| 20:10.25 | mmcji | babilen: Thank you, we have posted there in the past and to mailing lists. I was looking more for anyone with experience from the pure debian community that might have worked with Kamailio. |
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| 20:13.33 | mutante | is there a way to get a diff of all changes that have been made after i installed a newer version of an existing package? kind of like dpkg -L before and after, but telling me which files have changed content now? |
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| 20:14.54 | djp__ | is it the "debian way" to set a system wide environment variable for http_proxy by editing /etc/environment manually? |
| 20:14.55 | larstr | I've tried to disable ipv6, but apt-get is still trying to use it. |
| 20:15.48 | Dagger2 | larstr: on a v6-only system, it typically tries it as a last resort when it couldn't connect over v4 |
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| 20:16.54 | larstr | Dagger2: I have no problems with ipv4 here so why does it turn to ut as last resort? http://i.imagebanana.com/img/hem4x3ly/Selection_302.jpg |
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| 20:17.31 | larstr | Dagger2: because it starts out fine using ipv4 |
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| 20:17.35 | et | can i search for installed packages that are not from repositories currently in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 20:18.31 | babilen | et: "aptitude search ~o" |
| 20:18.44 | babilen | et: Also see "/msg dpkg not available" |
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| 20:19.43 | sianios | Hello guys, im trying to install debian on a laptop but when i boot the cd doesn't seems to spin, the laptop is with windows, when i boot it stuck wit a flashing _ |
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| 20:20.11 | Dagger2 | larstr: perhaps the problems are intermittant (also it can be DNS issue rather than a network issue) |
| 20:20.26 | et | babilen: thanks |
| 20:20.32 | larstr | Dagger2: I've tried changing to google's dns servers |
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| 20:21.18 | Dagger2 | you could try `wget -O/dev/null http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/`. check that the "Resolving ftp.no.debian.org" line shows a sensible list of IPs (in a sensible order), and check there's no connection errors |
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| 20:22.35 | larstr | Resolving ftp.no.debian.org... 128.39.3.170, 2001:700:0:12e::f70 |
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| 20:23.45 | larstr | Dagger2: I can ftp fine to that ip |
| 20:24.03 | Dagger2 | that is sensible, assuming it also downloaded the page fine |
| 20:24.12 | Dagger2 | try it when apt-get is failing and see if it's the same |
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| 20:25.58 | DX099 | is there a metapackage in Debian that is in charge of installing minimal packages for dev ? |
| 20:26.00 | larstr | Dagger2: hmm.. it timed out |
| 20:26.44 | larstr | Dagger2: and now it's working again |
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| 20:27.50 | Dagger2 | larstr: there you go, sounds like an intermittant v4 problem. no need to disable v6, just fix that |
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| 20:28.56 | larstr | Dagger2: so where do I start troubleshooting? I don't have such problems on any other computers |
| 20:29.21 | sianios | Hello guys, im trying to install debian on a laptop but when i boot the cd doesn't seems to spin, the laptop is with windows, when i boot it stuck wit a flashing _ |
| 20:29.38 | jhutchins_wk | larstr: I suspect it might be ipv6 related. |
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| 20:29.52 | babilen | sianios: Which version of Windows? |
| 20:30.00 | Dagger2 | jhutchins_wk: we just established that it wasn't |
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| 20:30.02 | babilen | sianios: And which image did you use? |
| 20:30.04 | larstr | sianios: try installing from an usb thumb drive |
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| 20:30.20 | jhutchins_wk | Dagger2: You sure? He says he tried to disable it but he didn't. |
| 20:30.23 | larstr | jhutchins_wk: ok? |
| 20:30.38 | babilen | DX099: build-essential |
| 20:30.40 | jhutchins_wk | larstr: I think you need to get it properly disabled. |
| 20:30.46 | sianios | babilen: the laptop is with windows 7 and im using netinstall 6.0.6 |
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| 20:30.49 | DX099 | sianios, and not adding to the confusion : did you md5checked the iso ? |
| 20:31.06 | larstr | jhutchins_wk: I've tried to disable it, but it still seems to be trying to use it. |
| 20:31.08 | Dagger2 | jhutchins_wk: v6 doesn't cause v4 connections to fail |
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| 20:31.23 | DX099 | babilen, thanks |
| 20:31.41 | jhutchins_wk | larstr: How did you disable it? |
| 20:31.45 | babilen | sianios: Ok, I /guess/ that your laptop uses UEFI which is not supported by squeeze (current stable release) -- Either way it is quite likely that you need a newer kernel (and probably software) anyway. I would therefore recommend to install wheezy (currently frozen testing) |
| 20:31.58 | sianios | DX099: i used that image to install on VirtualMachine and also i instaled it with the same cd on a friend's pc |
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| 20:32.08 | babilen | sianios: The wheezy installer supports UEFI ... Do you have a working internet connection? |
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| 20:32.41 | DX099 | sianios, ok, must be something else then. |
| 20:32.43 | babilen | sianios: Or you could check if you can choose something along the lines of "legacy boot" or so in the BIOS |
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| 20:32.59 | larstr | jhutchins_wk: echo net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 in sysctl.d/disableipv6 |
| 20:33.18 | babilen | sianios: But then, I would recommend to install wheezy these days to anybody installing a box for personal use. :) |
| 20:33.23 | larstr | jhutchins_wk: and a setting in gai.conf |
| 20:33.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell sianios -about install wheezy |
| 20:33.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell sianios -about firmware images wheezy |
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| 20:35.14 | sianios | ok i will get a wheezy image, btw i installed debian a year ago on my laptop and now doesn't get any linux disc, not even ubuntu :/ |
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| 20:35.46 | babilen | sianios: Sorry, I don't quite understand the last part of your sentence. Could you rephrase that? |
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| 20:37.41 | jhutchins_wk | larstr: add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your |
| 20:37.43 | jhutchins_wk | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.06 | Dagger2 | jhutchins_wk: the only thing disabling v6 is going to do here is buy time for the v4 problem to fix itself |
| 20:38.13 | jhutchins_wk | larstr: Where did you get those instructions? |
| 20:38.18 | sianios | babilen: A year ago I installed Debian Squeezy on my laptop and after a month I removed them and installed windows 7 now, now when I try to boot with debian or ubuntu i get the same results as i told you before |
| 20:38.20 | jhutchins_wk | Dagger2: Ok. |
| 20:38.49 | jhutchins_wk | Dagger2: Having ipv6 enabled when it doesn't actually work can cause problems. |
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| 20:39.09 | jhutchins_wk | Dagger2: It may not address the one you were working on, but it's something he wants to do anyway. |
| 20:39.33 | Dagger2 | the same could be said of v4, of course. if your v4 network is broken, fix the v4 network |
| 20:40.18 | Dagger2 | v6 doesn't magically cause problems on a v4-only network. the only time you might see breakage is if you're on a network with v6 and the v6 is broken (in which case you should fix the network, not disable v6) |
| 20:40.51 | jhutchins_wk | v6 is broken. Period. |
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| 20:41.39 | Dagger2 | uh... well. less broken than v4 is by virtue of having enough address space, perhaps |
| 20:42.11 | jhutchins_wk | Enabligh v6 is just fatuous pedantry unless you're in a micro-environment where it's actually used. |
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| 20:42.49 | jhutchins_wk | Dagger2: more broken as in "no-where implemented end-to-end in the real world". |
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| 20:43.42 | jhutchins_wk | If you're going to get around the internet, you need ipv4 working. THe only place ipv6 is going to do you any good is within an isolated implementation. |
| 20:43.43 | Dagger2 | you can and should leave it enabled; it won't break your existing connectivity just by being there, and you're only going to forget that you disabled it and how, and spend hours scratching your head later on |
| 20:44.10 | jhutchins_wk | Dagger2: Having it implemented but not working breaks things. |
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| 20:44.53 | Dagger2 | v6 works just fine on the public internet too. dual stack hosts can pick between addresses appropriately |
| 20:45.21 | jhutchins_wk | Dagger2: It's entirely theoretical. It breaks the first time it hits a normal router. |
| 20:45.59 | jhutchins_wk | Dagger2: Picking between protocols is also theoretical and doesn't work in many implementations. |
| 20:46.01 | larstr | jhutchins_wk: thx! It's working great now. :) |
| 20:46.02 | Dagger2 | your problems are entirely theoretical. it's working just fine through my normal router, and all the normal routers the traffic goes over |
| 20:46.23 | jhutchins_wk | Dagger2: There are still too many parts of the system that either can't handle it at all or handle it wrong. |
| 20:46.41 | Dagger2 | jhutchins_wk: I'm not seeing it |
| 20:46.57 | Dagger2 | I'm seeing v4-only software, yes, but that software works on my dual-stack system without problems |
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| 20:47.07 | jhutchins_wk | Dagger2: Too much legacy equipment and software that can't handle it properly. If you can't see it, well, you don't have a very broad view. |
| 20:47.23 | Dumbo | Can anyone tell me how i can add my usb netinstall to the list for installing packages? |
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| 20:47.53 | Dagger2 | jhutchins_wk: are you talking about software/hardware that can't just do v6, or are you talking about software/hardware that breaks when v6 is present? |
| 20:47.59 | jhutchins_wk | Dagger2: Yes, it can work given current hardware and software, which means it can work in an isolated environment. In the overall real world it just plain doesn.t |
| 20:48.01 | Dagger2 | the former I see, but the latter just isn't common |
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| 20:48.35 | Dagger2 | jhutchins_wk: I use v6 in the real world. it works. as a result, I don't believe you. |
| 20:48.43 | jhutchins_wk | Dagger2: Both are still more common than fully functional v6 compatibility. |
| 20:49.15 | jhutchins_wk | "I've never been shot with a 45, therefore I don't believe it can be fatal". |
| 20:49.33 | larstr | Dagger2: jhutchins_wk: My firewall here is quite old and has no ipv6 support, so I need to use ipv4. |
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| 20:49.48 | et | when i browse wikipedia, i do so over v6. is that an isolated environment? |
| 20:50.03 | ev0lve | there are available ipv6 gateways nowadays. in fact is becoming a standard: http://bgp.he.net/ipv6-progress-report.cgi |
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| 20:50.23 | Dagger2 | jhutchins_wk: I HAVE been shot with a 45 (or rather, I do have v6 enabled). I haven't died from it (or rather, stuff hasn't broken) |
| 20:50.57 | mutante | et: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/IPv6 |
| 20:51.19 | jhutchins_wk | Dagger2: I work for a very large organization that you are likely to deal with in some way. Although we have ipv6 enabled, a majority of our services do not work with it. |
| 20:51.46 | ev0lve | jhutchins_wk: ISP? |
| 20:51.48 | jhutchins_wk | Dagger2: You won't see the breakage, but you won't actually be working over v6. |
| 20:51.55 | jhutchins_wk | ev0lve: Bigger. |
| 20:52.04 | ev0lve | jhutchins_wk: ESP ;D |
| 20:52.10 | jhutchins_wk | ev0lve: Heh. |
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| 20:52.22 | Dagger2 | larstr: that's fine, I'm just saying that you shouldn't disable v6 on your hosts just because your network can't do it |
| 20:52.32 | ev0lve | jhutchins_wk: what's your biggest allocation/allocated space? |
| 20:52.40 | jhutchins_wk | Yes, in fact, you should, because you shouldn' |
| 20:52.49 | jhutchins_wk | t storm your network with useless traffic. |
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| 20:52.59 | larstr | Dagger2: well.. it works now and that's all I need |
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| 20:53.51 | jhutchins_wk | It's like having a network printer doing constant WINS discovery packets when there aren't any Windows boxes on the net. |
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| 20:54.24 | Dagger2 | jhutchins_wk: your work example is kinda supporting my point |
| 20:54.43 | Dagger2 | you have v6. sure, some of your services don't support it, but those services still work |
| 20:54.49 | Dagger2 | they aren't broken by the v6-enabled services |
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| 20:55.43 | Dagger2 | larstr: it's quite possible that it would keep on working if you undisabled v6. in the half an hour it took you to disable it, the actual problem could easily have gone away |
| 20:55.45 | jhutchins_wk | They're broken, we just make sure you don't see it. |
| 20:56.06 | jhutchins_wk | Dagger2: Keep telling yourself that. |
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| 20:56.53 | jhutchins_wk | It's like pulseaudio. You can argue all you want that it's a superior system and is compatible and shouldn't break things. Removing it still fixes things. |
| 20:57.30 | Dagger2 | jhutchins_wk: I'm telling you that |
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| 20:57.43 | Dagger2 | I run my own v4-only services on dual-stack enabled networks. it's fine |
| 20:57.45 | dondelelcaro | though in this case, disabling v6 when you don't need to means you can't talk to anything that uses v6. But hey, that might not be a problem for you |
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| 20:57.54 | jhutchins_wk | Dagger2: Disabling it still fixes things. |
| 20:58.20 | jhutchins_wk | dondelelcaro: He can't talk to anything beyond his router anyway! |
| 20:59.05 | Dagger2 | jhutchins_wk: well, it will fix problems caused by a broken v6 network, true. but in that case you should fix the broken v6 network |
| 20:59.22 | dondelelcaro | Dagger2: there are also some daemons which have broken v6 implementations too |
| 20:59.39 | Dagger2 | fix them then? |
| 20:59.49 | DX099 | somiaj, thanks for the help, I'll do some further testing later |
| 20:59.53 | Ristovski | hmm, this is weird |
| 20:59.54 | Dagger2 | a daemon with broken v6 implementation doesn't mean v6 is broken. it means the daemon is broken! |
| 20:59.55 | dondelelcaro | Dagger2: that's the general answer, but not everyone has the time |
| 21:00.04 | DX099 | ompaul, thank you as well |
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| 21:00.21 | Ristovski | I was burning a CD, when it tried to eject the disc, I got a kernel panic, log here: http://pastebin.com/xLppH6j5 |
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| 21:00.25 | DX099 | babilen, thanks for all, later |
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| 21:01.12 | Dagger2 | dondelelcaro: that position makes a bit of sense. I can understand lack of time |
| 21:01.29 | Dagger2 | I just can't understand concluding that ipv6 is broken from that |
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| 21:17.35 | SmashingX | where can I get support for the package mame for debian? |
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| 21:20.15 | dondelelcaro | SmashingX: you can ask here |
| 21:20.28 | dondelelcaro | (though it's possible that we won't be able to help you) |
| 21:20.34 | SmashingX | :( |
| 21:20.43 | TheWarden | How does one make iptables rules perminate? I'm very new to dealing with iptables... I know its an awful question but so many ways and not sure which is the right way to do it. |
| 21:20.48 | SmashingX | well, I get this error message Unable to load opengl library: <default> |
| 21:20.59 | SmashingX | so I was wondering how can I solve it |
| 21:21.28 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: There's a standard utility to save and restore them. |
| 21:21.44 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: oh please enlighten me. |
| 21:22.10 | jhutchins_wk | !tell TheWarden about iptables |
| 21:22.20 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: I didn't say I knew what it was <grin>. |
| 21:22.41 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: I used a custom script, and I've used shorewall which is overkill. |
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| 21:23.30 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: Best tutorials I know of are http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ and http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html |
| 21:23.42 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: there's iptables-save and iptables-restore. I'm personally a fan of ferm, though. |
| 21:23.58 | SmashingX | any help on this please? |
| 21:24.18 | jhutchins_wk | dondelelcaro: Isn't there some standard debian way to implement those on shutdown/startup? |
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| 21:24.24 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_wk: no |
| 21:24.32 | dondelelcaro | I mean, there's an example script |
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| 21:25.12 | dondelelcaro | (well, there was one; it seems to have gone away) |
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| 21:25.55 | dondelelcaro | frankly, though, I'd just use ferm or something similar instead. Much easier than calling iptables directly |
| 21:26.14 | dondelelcaro | (but close enough to iptables so that you don't have to learn something entirely new) |
| 21:27.26 | TheWarden | do I need to put pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.rules and this post-down iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules in my /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 21:28.28 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: you could do it that way if you wanted |
| 21:28.47 | SmashingX | well, I get this error message Unable to load opengl library: <default> |
| 21:28.53 | SmashingX | so I was wondering how can I solve it |
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| 21:31.00 | dondelelcaro | SmashingX: is this the debian package of mame? |
| 21:31.19 | dondelelcaro | SmashingX: which version of Debian? which version of mame? |
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| 21:32.48 | devios | hope someone can help me out - my client runs filezilla ftp server and has it set such that 'Implicit SSL' (ftpes???) setting is needed in FlashFXP to connect to it. I need to send files to it from my Debian server. I've tried curl, lftp, and pftp-shit. |
| 21:32.52 | devios | They all hang at what lftp calls "TLS negotiation", that is if you use the lftp option to bypass using the FEAT command. I found a lot of people with the same problem via google but no solutions. |
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| 21:32.54 | firstworld | does lilo still run freenode? |
| 21:33.36 | firstworld | nvm |
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| 21:37.30 | dondelelcaro | devios: you should just be able to connect using ftp://foohost in lftp |
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| 21:37.55 | dondelelcaro | devios: if it's hanging in TLS negotation, you should look at what is being sent by the client and server using tcpdump or similar |
| 21:38.00 | devios | dondelelcaro: client doesn't allow non-SSL connection |
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| 21:38.29 | dondelelcaro | devios: explicit TLS means that you start with a non-SSL connection, and then negotiate TLS. |
| 21:39.10 | devios | dondelelcaro: Filezilla server doesn't do explicit TLS, right? only "implicit"? |
| 21:39.18 | dondelelcaro | devios: if it's implicit, then use ftps:// |
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| 21:41.56 | devios | dondelelcaro: that might have actually worked - need to figure out the options to stop checking their self-signed certificate now (snore) - thank you very much! |
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| 21:42.21 | dondelelcaro | devios: no problem |
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| 21:43.30 | devios | dondelelcaro: hours of wasted time instead of just bothering you... lol ;-) |
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| 21:44.41 | TheWarden | I issued the following command, iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 21:44.52 | TheWarden | then I issued sudo sh -c "iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules" |
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| 21:45.21 | TheWarden | I reboot the system and the rules are saved in the file but are not being used and therefore I have to manually do sudo iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -s 10.8.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE again |
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| 21:45.53 | nullby7e | how can i install grub into another hdd of default partition? |
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| 21:46.14 | nullby7e | default grub installs asks to install it by default how can I change that |
| 21:46.20 | TheWarden | ohhh I see why it's not being restored |
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| 22:14.07 | djp__ | is this url correct? http://xmodulo.com/2012/05/how-to-set-system-wide-environment.html debian doesn't use /etc/profile.d? |
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| 22:14.52 | ompaul | djp__: you mean you look in your /etc/profile and get your system wide vars |
| 22:15.02 | ompaul | then custom ones in .profile |
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| 22:15.57 | ompaul | djp__: such as export http_proxy=http://on.my.faked.network:3128 and the like |
| 22:16.07 | djp__ | ompaul: yes, to set system wide settings for http_proxy. i want to do it the debian way if possible. |
| 22:16.18 | ompaul | I just tole you |
| 22:16.48 | ompaul | :) |
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| 22:18.14 | djp__ | ompaul: so you edit /etc/profile? not create a cstom file like proxy.sh in ~/etc/profile.d or edit /etc/environment? ok, i think i've got you. edit /etc/profile is the way to go. thanks. |
| 22:18.45 | ompaul | djp__: after that >> source /etc/profile << for the current user next login will pick it up |
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| 22:19.07 | ompaul | djp__: local changes in .profile |
| 22:19.09 | djp__ | ompaul: great, thanks. |
| 22:19.16 | ompaul | djp__: as in single user |
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| 22:34.14 | LordDeath | I just tried a dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy in a vmware vm |
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| 22:34.49 | LordDeath | it downloaded 2gb new packages and immediately aborted with "E: »default-jre« konnte nicht unmittelbar konfiguriert werden. Lesen Sie »man 5 apt.conf« unter APT::Immediate-Configure bezüglich weiterer Details. (2)" |
| 22:36.18 | abrotman | LordDeath: we don't speak Spanish, could you preprend a "LANG=C" to whatever command you're using |
| 22:36.24 | abrotman | hides |
| 22:36.45 | crowonawire | LordDeath, I just tried this recently and had success with "apt-get update", "apt-get upgrade", and "apt-get dist-upgrade" using only the wheezy repos. No volatile or updates repos. |
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| 22:45.41 | vamp774 | Hello all, I read the Debian help on how to install NVIDIA drivers and followed it through and have been unsuccessful. If someone might help me if they're free I would appreciate it. |
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| 22:46.23 | rasusto | hi vamp774 |
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| 22:46.36 | vamp774 | rasusto, very funny rob |
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| 22:47.27 | vamp774 | Basically I cannot boot with an xorg.conf. I installed drivers from NVIDIAs page and now Im getting dpgk errors |
| 22:47.35 | WaterRatj | Can anyone tell me how i could install my wireless on my laptop? says firmware missing and don't have internet on it and cant use wire |
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| 22:48.18 | mtn | WaterRatj: there are installers with firmware or you can download firmware somewhere else and put it on usb stick |
| 22:48.21 | zykotick9 | vamp774: if you downloaded the driver from nvidia.com, then you went the non-debian route |
| 22:48.59 | vamp774 | zykotick9, yes. I don't have a problem doing it any which way however. It was like 3am lol |
| 22:49.00 | WaterRatj | mtn, trying to find firmware but not sure how i can find out what i need and debian is alreadyisntalled with gnome desktop |
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| 22:49.29 | zykotick9 | vamp774: if you've installed from nvidia.com, i wouldn't touch that with a 30 foot pole. best of luck. |
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| 22:50.09 | mtn | WaterRatj: been to the wiki to check if it helps? |
| 22:50.16 | vamp774 | zykotick9, OK then. Can you advise me in removal of them? So I can do it the Debian way? |
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| 22:50.47 | zykotick9 | vamp774: i believe there is a ##nvidia channel perhaps? i really don't know how to undo what you've done. |
| 22:51.28 | WaterRatj | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 think this is the one but the only installation info is on how to install trought sources wich is ironic cause i don't have internet till i have the driver |
| 22:51.49 | vamp774 | zykotick9, Removing them is not related to NVIDIA and their drivers. I'm just asking for a command to remove them. |
| 22:52.17 | zykotick9 | vamp774: and because you've used nvidia.com driver, that IS a nvidia issue - and NOT a debian one. |
| 22:53.02 | ev0lve | vamp774: try this - dpkg -l | grep nvidia | awk '{ print $2 }' | xargs sudo dpkg --purge --force-all ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install nvidia-current nvidia-settings nvidia-common --yes |
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| 22:53.20 | LordDeath | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/241330/ |
| 22:53.27 | vamp774 | ev0lve, thanks Ill try that |
| 22:54.05 | penguin1 | hi |
| 22:54.16 | penguin1 | why is it called 'd-i' in Debian Preseed? |
| 22:54.23 | penguin1 | what means 'd-i' ? |
| 22:54.30 | zykotick9 | penguin1: debian-installer |
| 22:55.24 | mtn | WaterRatj: how did you install debian without internet? |
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| 22:56.22 | penguin1 | d-i is a abbrv for it |
| 22:56.39 | WaterRatj | usb install |
| 22:56.56 | zykotick9 | !tell penguin1 about d-i |
| 22:57.09 | abrotman | looks |
| 22:57.12 | WaterRatj | fixed it, installed the firmware trought usb |
| 22:58.21 | abrotman | LordDeath: can you remove the package and try again ? |
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| 22:58.31 | LordDeath | did it |
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| 22:58.58 | LordDeath | now the same message about openjdk-6-jre |
| 22:59.07 | abrotman | ugh |
| 22:59.21 | abrotman | LordDeath: what does 'dpkg --configure -a' say ? |
| 22:59.21 | LordDeath | but now it may be working |
| 22:59.30 | LordDeath | still reading changelogs |
| 22:59.34 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 22:59.37 | abrotman | probably a good sign |
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| 23:00.15 | LordDeath | yes, it started |
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| 23:05.40 | sparadokos | Is there a way to log all user commands typed in console? |
| 23:06.05 | Fenaralan | history |
| 23:06.36 | sparadokos | sorry. I mean for users othen then my self. All who login to the box? |
| 23:08.09 | Towzzer | they have their own history in their home folders but they are able to prevent it from logging |
| 23:08.12 | abrotman | sparadokos: there's an audit package that may do that |
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| 23:08.22 | penguin1 | one can boot the debian installer by using pxelinux |
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| 23:08.44 | penguin1 | there is vga stuff which renders a nice startscreen. I don't need and want it. Can I use plain text mode instead? |
| 23:08.59 | abrotman | did you look at the instructoins when you started? |
| 23:09.03 | abrotman | it's also, just the installer |
| 23:09.09 | sparadokos | ty |
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| 23:10.15 | penguin1 | abrotman: they don't write how to disable the wesa vga stuff |
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| 23:23.50 | ledus | hello |
| 23:24.46 | ledus | i have an old laptop with a broken cd-r, floppy and 1 usb1.1 port |
| 23:25.11 | ledus | how can i install debian here? can't see usb at boot |
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| 23:25.39 | themill | !rube goldberg install |
| 23:25.39 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 23:26.11 | cusco | external cd drive |
| 23:26.17 | themill | or netboot |
| 23:26.46 | themill | or something like setup.exe if it has some other legacy operating system already on it |
| 23:26.58 | Towzzer | normally I think those bot responses are kinda mean |
| 23:27.01 | Towzzer | but that was funn |
| 23:27.01 | Towzzer | y |
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| 23:34.38 | ledus | can I boot deian from a floppy and then install from a usb stick? my usb port is not seen at boot time |
| 23:35.19 | Tramp | !floppy |
| 23:35.19 | dpkg | [bf] Boot floppies are Debian-Installer images written to floppy disks, then used to install a Debian system. These were last made available for the Etch/4.0 release, see <etch floppies>. From the <lenny errata>: "Due to an increase in the size of the Linux kernel, we are unable to provide installation images for installs from floppy disk." |
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| 23:36.22 | ledus | Tramp, well I think etch will be fine on this laptop. it's very old.. |
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