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| 00:00.22 | _DomY-Dom | naptastic: Why hello. So the next time they put it in rescue mode and give me my password, what should I do (commands) ? |
| 00:00.45 | naptastic | _DomY-Dom, 'fdisk -l' to find out what drives you have and their device names. |
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| 00:01.03 | naptastic | _DomY-Dom, then, for each /dev/sdX, do 'smartctl -a /dev/sdX |
| 00:01.04 | naptastic | ' |
| 00:01.20 | naptastic | Pastebin the output of each one. |
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| 00:09.43 | _DomY-Dom | naptastic: Alright, I have to ask my host first to reput the rescue mode and change the passwd.. |
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| 00:10.27 | _DomY-Dom | naptastic & blast_hardcheese : thanks a lot guys ;) I'll get back to you as soon as I can :) |
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| 00:14.53 | Erfang | Hi all, is this (http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers?action=show&redirect=NVIDIA#Non-free_drivers) page still the best way to install nvidia drivers? It still mentions kernel 2.* as stock kernel. |
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| 00:17.37 | rryoumaa | how do you verify the wheezy netinst (debian-wheezy-DI-rc1-i386-netinst.iso)? i can't even find a SHA-1 anywhere. |
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| 00:18.32 | ompaul | rryoumaa: where did you get it? |
| 00:18.51 | rryoumaa | ompaul: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:19.08 | rryoumaa | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-rc1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:20.05 | ompaul | rryoumaa: look in here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 00:20.17 | ompaul | MD5 and SJA2 and 2 and 512 sums |
| 00:20.35 | rryoumaa | ompaul: excellent thank you |
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| 00:29.29 | Erfang | Hi all, is this (http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers?action=show&redirect=NVIDIA#Non-free_drivers) page still the best way to install nvidia drivers? It still mentions kernel 2.* as stock kernel. |
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| 00:30.07 | RoenieLap | does anyone have an /etc/default/locale file in wheezy that is bilingual and works properly? |
| 00:30.11 | RoenieLap | i can't seem to get it right |
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| 00:31.00 | RoenieLap | if you do, please dump it in pastebin... |
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| 00:32.30 | daemonkeeper | Ugh. Most of that page is outdated Erfang. |
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| 00:33.53 | Erfang | daemonkeeper, Ouch... too bad. I'm looking to install prop. drivers under wheezy, but strangely I can't seem to find the information. apt-get install nvidia-glx doesn't work for me. Any suggestions where to look? |
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| 00:34.12 | daemonkeeper | Erfang: You need to add non-free to your souces.list |
| 00:34.24 | daemonkeeper | Once you did, do apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 00:37.05 | daemonkeeper | Erfang: Once you're past that, read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.Debian.gz how to activate it (the minimal xorg.conf snippet) |
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| 00:37.51 | coffeecup | i would like to setup xen with guests, but i cant get any ipv4 network access.. i'm trying to asign 192.168.0.x private ip's to my guests and then route the traffic through my eth0 on my dom0.. is this even possible to do with ip route add... ? |
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| 00:38.21 | Erfang | daemonkeeper, apt is giving weird results... http://pastebin.com/nFNp63iW |
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| 00:38.48 | daemonkeeper | coffeecup: Xen has support for routing setups. No need to do anything if you configured Xen properly (network-script) |
| 00:39.13 | coffeecup | when i listen to the bridge i bound xen to i get Request who-has test tell 192.168.0.3, length 28 on the dom0, but in the guest From 192.168.0.3 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable.. so i think im just failing somewhere |
| 00:39.37 | coffeecup | daemonkeeper: well ok.. guess i've to reinstall once again then |
| 00:39.51 | daemonkeeper | Or you edit xend-config.sxp |
| 00:41.17 | coffeecup | yea i did..i did set it to (network-script network-route6) and (vif-script vif-route) |
| 00:41.30 | daemonkeeper | You get no bridge at all then. |
| 00:41.35 | coffeecup | erm route6.. i patched it |
| 00:41.40 | daemonkeeper | However, you need to restart xend. |
| 00:42.30 | coffeecup | so when i use routing i shouldnt use a bridge at all? |
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| 00:42.55 | daemonkeeper | Why do you want a bridge then? Bridging is L2 (i.e. the same as a hardware switch), routing is L3 (IP baseD) |
| 00:43.00 | coffeecup | the thing is i've got a hetzner server with 1 ipv4 and a ipv6 subnet, i got the ipv6 routes working but i dont get any ipv4 access in my domUs |
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| 00:43.36 | daemonkeeper | You might want to use NAT then, that won't give you external access though. |
| 00:43.43 | coffeecup | so i thought i create a bridge for the ipv4 traffic.. i'm not very experienced with networking |
| 00:44.08 | daemonkeeper | and share a single IP or what? |
| 00:44.32 | coffeecup | no i would like to access the domUs over ipv6, i just need ipv4 inside the guests |
| 00:44.45 | daemonkeeper | Yeah, use routing + NAT then |
| 00:44.58 | coffeecup | ok thanks ill try that |
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| 00:45.48 | daemonkeeper | coffeecup: Make your dom0 being an IP forwarding router and use NAT, route packets from/to domUs using private IPv4 IPs. |
| 00:46.17 | daemonkeeper | That will give you IPv4 access to the outside. Of course not the way back (i.e. like your setup at home) |
| 00:46.24 | coffeecup | daemonkeeper: can i set this up with xen? the nat thing |
| 00:46.52 | daemonkeeper | No, but you just need to enable IP forwarding and an iptables masquerade rule. |
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| 00:47.02 | daemonkeeper | The IP routing from/to domUs is set-up by Xen |
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| 00:48.03 | coffeecup | well, i've to look into that thanks ! |
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| 00:48.43 | daemonkeeper | coffeecup: It's basically the same set-up you're most likely running at home if you got a ADSL and a home router from your ISP. |
| 00:48.45 | coffeecup | daemonkeeper: with ip forwarding you mean set ip.v4 foward in etc/sysctl ? |
| 00:48.52 | daemonkeeper | That's one way to do. |
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| 00:54.24 | daemonkeeper | Erfang: you probably got some distrubution/suite/repository mess you need to fix in order to solve your problem. Most likely you got a package from a third party repository or from another suite which causes your problems. A pristine Debian "just works" for that. |
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| 00:57.16 | freemind | hello mates, just installed squeeze 64bit on a 6tb hardware raid. used gpt-partition table and the install succeeded fine - but grub gives me "error: invalid arch independent ELF magic" - reinstalling grub succeeded but the error is still there. the bios_grub partition is 2MB |
| 00:57.18 | SSigSeg | "JoeShmoe's Bar Grill and Linux Support - Blog Post" - Just paste this into your terminal as root, everything will be ok |
| 00:57.30 | freemind | any ideas what is causing the problem exactly? |
| 00:58.01 | SSigSeg | ^^ a joke of course |
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| 01:02.08 | _DomY-Dom | napstic & blast_hardcheese : sorry what were the commands you had asked me to do to check all my hard drives and pastebin everything ? |
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| 01:05.16 | Erfang | daemonkeeper, is there an easy way to fix apt? I had a java ppa in /etc/apt/sources.list.d which I removed, and aptitude updated. But still nvidia-glx and dkms will not install. |
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| 01:07.07 | Strav` | He. I'm having some questions about nepomuk. I have a NAS with several TB of data and one of my wet dreams would be to be able to apply meta-tags to this data and from a cross-platform client, query this data to retrieve the appropriate files on the locally mounted share. Is this possible with nepomuk or should I look elsewhere (any suggestion would greatly be appreciated)? |
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| 01:11.00 | johndo | Erfang: search for obsolete and non-debian packages and remove them, that may help |
| 01:11.08 | johndo | aptitude search '~i!~ODebian' |
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| 01:14.55 | Erfang | johndo, I don't exactly know what that command does, but it gives a lot of packages in return, including things like xterm, zenity and zsh, which are debian packages. |
| 01:15.21 | _DomY-Dom | napstic & blast_hardcheese : sorry what were the commands you had asked me to do to check all my hard drives and pastebin everything ? |
| 01:15.31 | _DomY-Dom | what were the last commands you guys told me to do ? |
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| 01:17.10 | johndo | Erfang: then you have quite a mess with your installed packages |
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| 01:17.42 | johndo | this command lists all packages which are installed on your system but are not in the debian repository, at least not in the installed version |
| 01:17.54 | johndo | have you ever updated your system? |
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| 01:18.50 | Erfang | johndo, yes. it's wheezy, updated, and upgraded |
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| 01:18.59 | psiklops | hi. i am running wheezy and have noticed since the install that rpcbind in netstat ... i do not recall this in early installs. Is rpcbind essential for a standalone machine ? |
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| 01:20.16 | johndo | Erfang: just check some of the packages in the list with 'apt-cache policy package_name' and look what it tells you |
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| 01:21.49 | johndo | psiklops: usually not, check what package may need it with aptitude why rpcbind |
| 01:22.08 | Erfang | johndo, nothing special really. Installed and Candidate match (except for some experimental, which Isn't installed, but can be) |
| 01:24.02 | johndo | Erfang: and they are from debian, from one of the active repositories in your sources list? |
| 01:25.00 | Erfang | johndo, yes. |
| 01:25.54 | johndo | Erfang: sorry, than i can't help you further |
| 01:26.14 | Erfang | johndo, ok.. well. thanks for trying. |
| 01:26.42 | johndo | i only can confirm that nvidia drivers work out of the box with pure debian |
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| 01:29.56 | Aktau | Hey guys |
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| 01:30.16 | Aktau | Just tried to install the nvidia drivers with the dims method from the wiki on wheezy |
| 01:30.25 | Aktau | (I have an nvidia ion chipset) |
| 01:30.34 | Aktau | After installing them and rebooting X won't even start |
| 01:30.39 | Aktau | And mode setting seems to be gone as well |
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| 01:31.31 | Aktau | x.org logs say [drm] failed to open deviec |
| 01:32.16 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell Aktau about nvidia-dkms wheezy |
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| 01:32.33 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell Aktau about nvidia dkms wheezy |
| 01:33.11 | Aktau | Cool, perhaps it's a nouveau issue |
| 01:33.27 | Aktau | Arrowmaster: I don't see where nouveau gets blacklisted in that line though |
| 01:33.35 | Arrowmaster | its done by the package |
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| 01:33.51 | Aktau | Then I wonder why X.org tries to load it |
| 01:33.53 | Aktau | As I see in the logs |
| 01:34.04 | Aktau | perhaps also the reason X fails to start |
| 01:34.09 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
| 01:34.27 | Arrowmaster | i have no clue what the wiki says or how old that info is but the info from the bot should work |
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| 01:35.07 | Aktau | It's similar to the wiki, with the exception of that minimal xorg.conf |
| 01:35.13 | Aktau | I'm hoping that's going to work |
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| 01:37.24 | Aktau | Here's to hoping |
| 01:37.47 | Aktau | Damn |
| 01:37.50 | Aktau | Nothing |
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| 01:38.28 | Aktau | Now it actually wants to load the nvidia module |
| 01:38.44 | Aktau | But it can't because it says the module does not exist |
| 01:39.03 | Aktau | Maybe the dims package is not all that's needed? |
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| 01:40.56 | Aktau | Arrowmaster: there is also no nvidia_drv present on my system |
| 01:41.42 | Arrowmaster | the driver is just named nvidia |
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| 01:43.00 | xeon-enouf | all xorg drivers have a _drv.so, IIRC |
| 01:43.13 | xeon-enouf | the kernel module is nvidia.ko |
| 01:43.22 | Aktau | Yep |
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| 01:43.28 | Aktau | I needed another package extra |
| 01:43.32 | Aktau | nvidia-glx |
| 01:43.38 | Aktau | Which is now installing the x.org driver |
| 01:43.44 | Aktau | And a boatload of other stuff |
| 01:43.50 | xeon-enouf | heh |
| 01:44.01 | Arrowmaster | you should be good then |
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| 01:44.16 | Aktau | I hope so, when startx works, I'll breathe a sigh of relief |
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| 01:44.41 | Aktau | Has linux become way less painful than 6 years ago or did I get more lucky/proficient? |
| 01:44.42 | FluxD | Hi, I am looking to see if there are any tools to do process loggin every minute and calculate stats like up/down b/w usage memory etc ( OTHER than sar) |
| 01:44.47 | xeon-enouf | also, IIRC, one should reinstall libgl1-mesa-{dri,glx} |
| 01:45.02 | xeon-enouf | oh wait, nvm |
| 01:45.25 | xeon-enouf | that's when one reverts _from_ previously using nvidia proprietary |
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| 01:45.33 | johndo | FluxD: try collecd |
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| 01:46.06 | johndo | *collectd |
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| 01:47.38 | Aktau | xeon-enouf: perhaps. Also nouveau was working quite well, but I need VDPAU |
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| 01:48.56 | FluxD | thanks johndo |
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| 01:51.35 | xeon-enouf | good to know nouveau works well |
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| 01:56.10 | Aktau | Damn, checking the hardware acceleration box in VLC makes my video have a black background |
| 01:56.21 | Aktau | The only thing that appears it the apple logo on the bottom right of the vid, curiously |
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| 02:01.20 | Aktau | Holy shit |
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| 02:01.36 | Aktau | mplayer plays a 1080p hi-def file on this box with HW accel |
| 02:01.40 | Aktau | Smooth as butter |
| 02:01.46 | Aktau | I….am a very happy camper |
| 02:01.49 | Aktau | Thank you debian! |
| 02:02.07 | tzarc | vdpau is a wondrous thing |
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| 02:02.35 | Aktau | Too bad it's a bit garbled on VLC |
| 02:02.54 | Aktau | As in, VLC pegs a CPU and then proceed to not display anything |
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| 02:10.38 | dvs | !wb |
| 02:10.39 | dpkg | thanks, dvs. It's good to be back. |
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| 02:29.04 | rfarris | Anyone have experince using usb cams? I have one I cant find out how to use, I see it in the list of usb devices and it has the correct name |
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| 02:31.48 | SSigSeg | rfarris u still there? |
| 02:32.01 | rfarris | Yea |
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| 02:32.31 | rfarris | Trying to use motion, but my cam is not moutint to /dev/video |
| 02:32.37 | wsky | rfarris: have you got /dev/video0 in your filesystem? |
| 02:32.41 | SSigSeg | what kind of USB camera is it... make/model |
| 02:32.48 | rfarris | */dev/video0 |
| 02:32.57 | rfarris | MS VX-6000 |
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| 02:33.32 | LtL | rfarris: use VLC, it should work, point it at /dev/video0 |
| 02:33.44 | rfarris | LifeCam VX-6000 |
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| 02:34.17 | rfarris | headless system its plugged in to |
| 02:34.53 | LtL | rfarris: not much good without X forwarding |
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| 02:35.13 | rfarris | well motion will save pics or stream it |
| 02:35.51 | LtL | rfarris: very possible |
| 02:36.04 | wsky | rfarris: can you pastebin your dmesg and lsusb? |
| 02:36.23 | rfarris | sec |
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| 02:36.51 | SSigSeg | u using Microdia drivers? |
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| 02:37.24 | wsky | rfarris: ofc i'd like to see dmesg with the cam plugged in, bet to replug it before entering dmesg command |
| 02:37.30 | wsky | best* |
| 02:38.00 | rfarris | http://pastebin.com/fzgWY2gP |
| 02:38.50 | wsky | and what bout dmesg? |
| 02:39.00 | rfarris | http://pastebin.com/n7UsHUY1 |
| 02:39.06 | rfarris | I can only do it so fast! |
| 02:39.08 | rfarris | haha |
| 02:39.24 | rfarris | Thats just the important part I would think, I coudl do the whole thing if you wish |
| 02:39.47 | wsky | no need |
| 02:39.47 | dvs | ,usbid 045e:00f4 |
| 02:40.10 | wsky | either the device is damaged or the driver doesnt work properly |
| 02:40.25 | SSigSeg | are you using a USB 2.0 port or a hub? |
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| 02:41.02 | wsky | rfarris: what is your kernel version? |
| 02:41.41 | ScabbyMadman | any pointers on how to upgrade to Kernel 3.2x in Debian squeeze? |
| 02:41.51 | wsky | ScabbyMadman: backports |
| 02:42.00 | rfarris | 3.6.7 |
| 02:42.05 | dvs | !bpo |
| 02:42.05 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 02:42.10 | rfarris | its a usb 2.0 port from what I can tell |
| 02:42.51 | ScabbyMadman | wsky I added that repo and I can see the kernel 3.2 but Im stuck on the dependencies |
| 02:43.00 | rfarris | Did I mention its a Raspberry Pi? I might have to check for rpi focused support channels |
| 02:43.20 | wsky | arm... |
| 02:43.25 | rfarris | ARM! |
| 02:43.57 | wsky | ScabbyMadman: stuck? how? |
| 02:44.28 | ScabbyMadman | wsky I'll pastebin the exact message |
| 02:45.13 | wsky | ok |
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| 02:46.56 | ikhanh4x | I've tried Googling around, but haven't found anything useful. Can someone please explain how to increase the lines of scrollback (scrollback buffer)? I can only page up (Shift+Page Up) 3 times. |
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| 02:48.19 | wsky | ikhanh4x: that's a compiled-in feature of your kernel. either recompile your kernel or use a termianl emulator |
| 02:48.57 | wsky | ikhanh4x: ofc if you're asking about tty buffe |
| 02:48.58 | wsky | r |
| 02:49.14 | ikhanh4x | wsky: oh ok, thanks. I guess I will use a terminal emulator. Recompiling the kernel sounds difficult :) |
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| 02:50.08 | wsky | sounds odd from someone nicking himself ikhanh4x :-) |
| 02:50.11 | ScabbyMadman | wsky can you look at this: and point my thick skull toward a solution. Thanks http://pastebin.com/zgWH3Mg3 |
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| 02:51.48 | wsky | ScabbyMadman: dunno, you could try to update initramfs-tools from bpo manually first |
| 02:52.17 | ScabbyMadman | wsky lie from the shell and ignore/force deps? |
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| 02:52.21 | ScabbyMadman | like |
| 02:52.34 | wsky | i mean |
| 02:53.05 | wsky | apt-get -t squeeze-backports install initramfs-tools; and then the kernel |
| 02:53.26 | wsky | but i can't see why it's not working ootb |
| 02:53.31 | ScabbyMadman | I'll give that a shot |
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| 02:59.35 | coffeecup | daemonkeeper: thanks again, i just set up NAT and it kind works, just one thing - if i ping an ip which isn't available i don't get a response, is my route wrong? i just added default via 192.168.0.1 dev eth0 on the domU - or is it something iptable specific |
| 03:02.37 | haylo | sorry to all who have seen my other posts, but here goes... |
| 03:02.40 | haylo | in order to encrypt debian debootstrap install with aes-loop encryption, I will need at least 2 partitions correct? one for /boot and one for everything else? if so, will the modified initrd handle everything with decrypting the root="" filesystem I pass to grub ? or do i need to handle that myself from /etc/fstab ? |
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| 03:03.43 | wsky | that's interensting. i'd like to kow it myself. |
| 03:03.47 | wsky | know |
| 03:03.48 | haylo | meaning having another unencrypted partition for /etc/fstab , that i can mount the root fs using losetup to decrypt it |
| 03:04.10 | SSigSeg | o.O u got a fast computer? |
| 03:04.20 | ChibaPet | haylo: |
| 03:04.49 | ChibaPet | I believe GRUB 2 knows some varieties of disk encryption. You shouldn't need the unencrypted /boot as I understand it. |
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| 03:09.47 | coffeecup | daemonkeeper: ok nvm.. i'm too confused i thought there should be at least a timeout or something.... consider it as solved.. :-) |
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| 03:12.42 | haylo | ChibaPet: im getting some mixed info about grub2 supporting luks encryption. but I think for now people mostly use aes-loop still for this. And I would like to eventually be using syslinux anyway, and ditch grub |
| 03:14.08 | haylo | but if grub does offer a solution, and it is supported in debian- then I am very interested to try it. however im not sure its a replacement for aes-loop encrytion from the initrd |
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| 03:15.44 | haylo | basically: seems like the grub solution would be even less documented, especially this early in the development of the feature |
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| 03:18.41 | ScabbyMadman | wsky, you still around? |
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| 03:19.38 | wsky | ScabbyMadman: yea |
| 03:20.44 | ScabbyMadman | Im well on my way thanks for the tip. Something I dont understand though -- I figured the packag emanagement would do all that sort out the right accessory packages |
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| 03:21.16 | ScabbyMadman | But like you suggested I had to first install the later intitramfs tools |
| 03:21.27 | ScabbyMadman | Thanks again wsky |
| 03:21.39 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 03:21.40 | dpkg | from memory, bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 03:21.49 | wsky | ScabbyMadman: np, gl&hf |
| 03:21.59 | ScabbyMadman | :) |
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| 03:34.02 | MJBrune | http://pastebin.com/U50j0Xsv anyone have any idea whats happening with my apt? I can't seem to install or remove anything because of these errors |
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| 03:34.07 | MJBrune | I am not sure how to resolve them |
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| 03:38.10 | rryoumaa | i am doing netinst, but the keyboard is not being recognized. however, it works fine in the bios. |
| 03:38.16 | rryoumaa | any hints/ |
| 03:38.17 | rryoumaa | ? |
| 03:38.39 | rryoumaa | the video game spaceship screen comes up fine, but no response to keyboard |
| 03:39.08 | wsky | MJBrune: have done anything to any of your init scripts? |
| 03:39.21 | MJBrune | wsky: not at all |
| 03:40.46 | wsky | MJBrune: dunno but i'd use a message board to discuss this issue |
| 03:40.51 | wsky | +irc |
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| 03:41.21 | MJBrune | eh I think I will just back up and remove everything and switch to a better server os... crunchbang is trash. |
| 03:42.21 | wsky | so it isn't even debian |
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| 03:43.38 | MJBrune | eh its debian with openbox. |
| 03:43.40 | MJBrune | thats all |
| 03:44.35 | wsky | no, it's a debian-based distro, that's a difference |
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| 03:45.30 | RigidWig | if you aren't supposed to be logged in as root (bad practice?), then every time you need to cd somewhere and don't have permission (sudo cd doesn't work), you need to su into root and su back out once in the folder? |
| 03:45.46 | rryoumaa | is it a known problem that keyboards do not work for wheezy netinst? all i have been able to find is this from years ago: http://linux.bigresource.com/Debian-Installation-Wheezy-installer-not-recognizing-USB-keyboard-ExfeFkDzR.html |
| 03:45.50 | MJBrune | wsky: its not like it changes anything |
| 03:46.02 | MJBrune | the underlying systems are just the same |
| 03:46.30 | wsky | but has it's own packages, innit? |
| 03:46.31 | jnewt | /usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so crashes @ youtube. one suggestion is to install flashplugin-non-free . is there a way to get gnash to work, or is it just not compatible with chromium? |
| 03:46.41 | rryoumaa | RigidWig: you can try things like su - and then exit or sudo bash -i and then exit or sudo your command and no need to exit |
| 03:47.31 | RigidWig | rryoumaa seems like such a hastle (or am I a lazy bastard?), is being root that unsafe? nothing bad seemed to happen yet just cause I was logged in as root (I am most of the time)? |
| 03:47.39 | RigidWig | *hassle |
| 03:47.46 | MJBrune | wsky: nope it just uses debians |
| 03:48.03 | rryoumaa | RigidWig: it's just common sense. root can do anything. |
| 03:48.08 | dvs | !crunchbang |
| 03:48.08 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 03:48.34 | RigidWig | rryoumaa if I am doing something on a system/server, shouldn't I want to be able to do anything? |
| 03:48.44 | MJBrune | dvs: that literally provided nothing more than what I have said |
| 03:48.45 | rryoumaa | if that's what you are doing, yes |
| 03:49.20 | RigidWig | so, for example, you, yourself, how/when are you logged in as root, and when are you not? |
| 03:49.48 | dvs | MJBrune: except for the most important part: It is not supported in #debian. |
| 03:49.55 | rryoumaa | RigidWig: use your normal account for everything you can |
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| 03:50.05 | rryoumaa | you will be told if you need root |
| 03:50.32 | wsky | RigidWig: you can protect your computer a bit from yourself logging as root adding aliases to cp,mv and rm with -i flag |
| 03:50.42 | MJBrune | dvs: then if its so important why isn't the first thing in the sentence? |
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| 03:51.12 | wsky | RigidWig: also,enabling root loging with ssh is bad practice |
| 03:51.15 | jnewt | also, i have the standard desktop, and i sometimes get windows / applications stuck / docked to the edge or top of the desktop, and don't know how to undock them. |
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| 03:51.40 | jnewt | s/desktop/gui (xfce?) |
| 03:51.55 | rryoumaa | is there another place that is better for asking my wheezy netinst keyboard not working question? |
| 03:52.08 | RigidWig | wsky rryoumaa maybe I have weak fingers because it honestly annoys me to type sudo before everything when I am messing with permissions/ownership, moving files from locked folders, and editing config files.... |
| 03:52.15 | RigidWig | It's probably just me |
| 03:52.34 | rryoumaa | RigidWig: then try my other suggestions |
| 03:52.46 | wsky | RigidWig: personally i do not use sudo anywhere, just su |
| 03:53.18 | wsky | RigidWig: but yeah, aliasing cp, mv and rm with -i option can save you some trouble |
| 03:54.14 | wsky | RigidWig: because you will think twice before removing a directory with other filesystems mounted somewhere under |
| 03:54.26 | xeon-enouf | rryoumaa: just a guess, is it a usb keybd? |
| 03:54.31 | wsky | also when you slip a bit on your keyboard |
| 03:54.31 | rryoumaa | xeon-enouf: yes |
| 03:54.52 | xeon-enouf | rryoumaa: try disabling usb emulation mode in the bios, or .. turn it on |
| 03:55.08 | rryoumaa | xeon-enouf: actually it is a ps2 with a usb adaptor, but it is not practical for me to use ps2 directly |
| 03:55.18 | xeon-enouf | rryoumaa: also, try rear port, if older computer |
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| 03:56.06 | rryoumaa | xeon-enouf: duron processor, using rear port, there were usb options in the amibios bios setup, but they looked like just enabling vs. disabling usb. but i will try to see if i can make some unlikely change there that will magically work :). |
| 03:56.06 | xeon-enouf | ah, yea, i use them, but i actually like the usb w/ps2 adapter :-) |
| 03:57.13 | xeon-enouf | rryoumaa: also, just for install, could just try ps2, then usb later once installed; the installer is very scaled down versions of pkgs, .udebs |
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| 03:57.31 | rryoumaa | yeah, that will be my next try |
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| 03:58.11 | RigidWig | wsky I'll be googling that, thanks |
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| 03:59.22 | rryoumaa | 20:57 <xeon-enouf> rryoumaa: also, just for install, could just try ps2, then usb later once installed; the installer is very scaled down versions of pkgs, .udebs |
| 03:59.38 | xeon-enouf | i too have an older p4 system that a) won't work at all with a usb kbd in /front/ port. and b) doesn't work at all in grub (even plugged in back) -> ergo a ps/2 adapter :-P |
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| 04:01.33 | xeon-enouf | i'm actually now using an old DIN keys atm, plugged into a ps/2 adapter :-) (usb kbd is dead) |
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| 04:08.25 | sammy | I'm drawing a complete blank: trying to background a tail process while I do other things in the shell, and I thought I used to be able to just "tail -f file &" but when I try this, nothing appears on stdout, just a backgrounded process notification, and I get my prompt back. what am I forgetting? |
| 04:09.07 | wsky | sammy: use screen |
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| 04:09.53 | sammy | wsky: good call, but I used to be able to type commands at a prompt while the file tail'ed to stdout, sometimes spewing things all over my command line, but I'm okay with that :) |
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| 04:10.06 | sammy | I'm just... wondering how I used to do such a thing |
| 04:10.44 | wsky | idk maybe the file do not change at all when you do thil lol |
| 04:10.48 | wsky | this |
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| 04:13.17 | aTypical | Hi, all. Is synaptic still the primary graphical package installer for Debian? |
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| 04:34.45 | rryoumaa | ok, debian wheezy netinst does not work on the computer. the keyboard, plugged in as ps/2, is not recognized. pressing it a few times on "install" made the screen go blank, and nothing happened. |
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| 04:35.46 | SSigSeg | do you have a ps2 to USB adapter? |
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| 04:36.25 | rryoumaa | SSigSeg: yes, that is what i first tried. nothing at all happened there (even though it works fine on the computer with an old debian installation and works fine in the bios). |
| 04:36.51 | rryoumaa | i thought maybe the blank screen meant the installer was working, but that would be bad design and i don't think anything was happening. |
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| 04:37.35 | rryoumaa | i tried both ps/2 slots. but maybe i erred by plugging into one of them while the machine was on. i thought i turned it off with the power button, but the fan was on. |
| 04:37.40 | SSigSeg | same thing happens in nongraphical vs graphical? |
| 04:37.59 | rryoumaa | i can't select graphical. no kb or mouse detected with usb. |
| 04:38.22 | SSigSeg | if you try in bios now does it work? |
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| 04:38.50 | rryoumaa | i think it's fine in the bios |
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| 04:38.59 | rryoumaa | keyboard that is |
| 04:39.11 | rredd4 | how can i netinstall sudo? using wheezy |
| 04:39.16 | xeon-enouf | is that a cd/dvd you burned? |
| 04:39.26 | xeon-enouf | did you md5sum it? |
| 04:39.38 | rryoumaa | xeon-enouf: yes, verified with sha1 and 512 |
| 04:39.40 | rredd4 | oops using squeezy |
| 04:39.40 | rryoumaa | and gpg |
| 04:39.47 | xeon-enouf | ok |
| 04:40.32 | SSigSeg | i take it you wouldnt be able to try with another keyboard? |
| 04:40.46 | rryoumaa | correct |
| 04:40.48 | SSigSeg | i had a similar issue with usb keyboard but that's because i'm using a high voltage razor mechanical black widow |
| 04:40.53 | xeon-enouf | rryoumaa: you do have the i386 right? |
| 04:41.00 | rryoumaa | keyboard works fine on other computers |
| 04:41.03 | rryoumaa | too |
| 04:41.19 | rryoumaa | ahahahahahaa. it is an amd k7 and i am using i386. is that wrong? |
| 04:41.22 | xeon-enouf | version, i mean |
| 04:41.25 | rryoumaa | duron k7 |
| 04:41.38 | xeon-enouf | !k7 |
| 04:41.38 | dpkg | K7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD x86-compatible processors beginning with the Athlon and includes the Duron, Thunderbird, early Sempron and Athlon XP. It does not include the Athlon 64, Athlon 64 FX, Athlon 64 X2, Opteron, Turion 64 and later Sempron (all K8) or older processors (K5, K6). Use a 686 kernel as k7 kernels are no longer available, see <k7 dropped>. |
| 04:41.45 | rryoumaa | yes i am using 386 installer |
| 04:42.09 | xeon-enouf | yeah, you good |
| 04:42.21 | xeon-enouf | you got the right one |
| 04:42.23 | rryoumaa | wait, it says dropped |
| 04:42.24 | wsky | i miss my athlon-xp :-( |
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| 04:43.01 | rryoumaa | is 686 included in the i386 wheezy installer? |
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| 04:43.30 | SSigSeg | no |
| 04:43.31 | xeon-enouf | yeah, the installer kernel is likely still 486 compatible |
| 04:43.47 | rryoumaa | ok, well if you say i'm ok then i'm ok |
| 04:43.51 | SSigSeg | i386 != i686 |
| 04:44.06 | rryoumaa | ok, so i need a different installer? |
| 04:44.11 | xeon-enouf | well, i mean it'll eventually install the 686 kernel if it detects one |
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| 04:44.17 | xeon-enouf | no |
| 04:44.18 | SSigSeg | no you can install 386 on 686 but not vice versa |
| 04:44.18 | zykotick9 | SSigSeg: really? i find it difficult to believe that wheezy even supports 386. the cd is labed i386... |
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| 04:45.09 | wsky | !i386 |
| 04:45.10 | dpkg | methinks i386 is the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one. |
| 04:45.14 | xeon-enouf | i think debian still supports 486. the arch is just called i386 |
| 04:45.45 | un214 | puts a bounty on dpkg's head |
| 04:46.09 | xeon-enouf | since it was used, then amd64 is the 64bit x86 one, since amd was first with the enhanced instructions |
| 04:46.26 | wsky | maybe it prefers twix |
| 04:46.32 | wsky | !botsnack |
| 04:46.34 | dpkg | thanks, wsky |
| 04:46.37 | xeon-enouf | neither are ia64, so don't get me started :-p |
| 04:47.22 | zykotick9 | rryoumaa: i386 wheezy installer IS i686 really.... ;) |
| 04:48.21 | rryoumaa | i'm kind of full with numbers and letters now, just want the thing to install :/ |
| 04:48.41 | zykotick9 | rryoumaa: i386 is what you want |
| 04:48.51 | rryoumaa | ok, that is what i used |
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| 04:49.11 | un214 | everything starting with ! is making a surprise hyperlink that opens a new channel in quassel |
| 04:49.17 | un214 | I've got 3 of them up there now |
| 04:50.03 | xeon-enouf | is a quassel similar to a croissant? |
| 04:50.07 | xeon-enouf | runs |
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| 04:50.22 | un214 | chases |
| 04:50.31 | un214 | is probably faster than xeon over 20 miles |
| 04:50.47 | xeon-enouf | not in my car :-P |
| 04:50.57 | un214 | has driven 95 |
| 04:51.18 | xeon-enouf | add 100 to that |
| 04:51.42 | un214 | is that kph? |
| 04:51.52 | jnewt | i'm looking for a media player for debian, and wanted to try xmms. i did apt-cache search xmms and got a ton of stuff. what do i need to do to just install the media player? |
| 04:52.00 | xeon-enouf | nope, i was going to ask you actually :-) |
| 04:52.14 | un214 | xeon gets away |
| 04:52.42 | un214 | apt-get install vlc |
| 04:52.43 | wsky | jnewt: xmms is a terrible choice imo, better to use audacious or clementine |
| 04:52.45 | un214 | ducks |
| 04:52.46 | rryoumaa | so what are my options here? is it looking like getting (a modern) debian installed will be a lot of effort? |
| 04:52.50 | xeon-enouf | downshifts, slams on the brakes, and taunts un214 by revving engine :-) |
| 04:52.52 | zykotick9 | jnewt: xmms2 is a client/server thing. there should be serveral frontends for it. i've never used it (but fondly remember xmms's winamp like appearance). |
| 04:53.21 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: use --names-only option sometimes, it's very helpful |
| 04:53.25 | wsky | jnewt: afaik xmms doesnt support utf-8 and it's unmaintained anymore |
| 04:53.30 | un214 | plows into the back of xeon and laughs at the weight difference |
| 04:53.44 | wsky | rryoumaa: a w orking livecd and a remote installation with debootstraP |
| 04:53.45 | jnewt | wsky: i've been using winamp since like 2001, and wanted something as close as possible. |
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| 04:53.46 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: xmms is now audacious? or something |
| 04:53.53 | xeon-enouf | like xmms2 |
| 04:53.56 | zykotick9 | jnewt: audacious |
| 04:53.59 | wsky | jnewt: audacious with classic look then |
| 04:54.05 | rryoumaa | !tell me about debootstrap |
| 04:54.21 | wsky | jnewt: also supports classic winamp skins :-) |
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| 04:54.41 | jnewt | either that or a foobar2000 alt (use that one sometimes for flacs, as they sound better through foobar on my setup |
| 04:54.44 | un214 | it's really funny trying to figure out why a freshly debootstrap'd debian won't boot after installing bootloader |
| 04:54.53 | xeon-enouf | rryoumaa: file a bug report to install team? #debian-boot here on network, but do an installation-report |
| 04:54.58 | jnewt | ok, i'll check audacious |
| 04:55.04 | xeon-enouf | !installation-report |
| 04:55.04 | jnewt | tx |
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| 04:55.15 | xeon-enouf | !ig |
| 04:55.15 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata>, <installer firmware>, <release notes>. |
| 04:55.39 | xeon-enouf | !reportbug |
| 04:55.39 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 04:55.46 | wsky | rryoumaa: well you do not have to do that remotely actually, that was bs |
| 04:56.09 | xeon-enouf | meh - you got no install - heh --- does a debian livecd work? |
| 04:56.10 | wsky | rryoumaa: debootstrap itself from a working livecd will do |
| 04:56.30 | rryoumaa | so livecd, then debootstrap from command line? |
| 04:56.35 | wsky | yeah |
| 04:56.38 | rryoumaa | and that will set up ethernet? |
| 04:57.04 | wsky | well your livecd should set up the network |
| 04:57.23 | rryoumaa | ok, i will dl livecd (which version? rescue? xfce?) then do that. |
| 04:57.39 | wsky | even ubuntu will do |
| 04:57.49 | rryoumaa | ok |
| 04:58.06 | wsky | but you'll have to install debootstrap on it while it's running |
| 04:58.08 | xeon-enouf | but... |
| 04:58.15 | rryoumaa | i guess i could also try the squeeze netinst |
| 04:58.20 | xeon-enouf | he'll want to fetch debootstrap from debian repos |
| 04:58.34 | xeon-enouf | rryoumaa: that too - then upgrade |
| 04:58.35 | wsky | xeon-enouf: what do you mean? |
| 04:58.51 | rryoumaa | it's only 500mb memory though, i heard live cd cannot write to disk? |
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| 04:59.00 | wsky | is debootstrap from ubuntu repository worse than from debian's? |
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| 04:59.31 | xeon-enouf | wsky: how does he get debootstrap from ubuntu repos? oh, i don't use ubuntu; just that it's not debian ;-) |
| 05:00.04 | xeon-enouf | he /could/ also just http://goodbye-windows.com too |
| 05:00.11 | xeon-enouf | if windows is there |
| 05:00.12 | wsky | xeon-enouf: heh even portage contains debootstrap |
| 05:00.26 | xeon-enouf | s/there/installed already/ |
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| 05:00.33 | xeon-enouf | wsky: heh |
| 05:01.37 | xeon-enouf | rryoumaa: livecd /can/ write to disk, but you'd need to tell it too, specifically ...and some steps to do so |
| 05:02.12 | rryoumaa | is it common for people to have problems with an installer as basic as keyboards not working? |
| 05:02.16 | rryoumaa | ok |
| 05:02.29 | xeon-enouf | rryoumaa: rare, but it happens |
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| 05:03.49 | rryoumaa | is there a wheezy debian live? |
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| 05:04.31 | wsky | rryoumaa: try grml |
| 05:04.55 | wsky | basically i'd get anything that works and has necessary tools available |
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| 05:06.21 | jnewt | wsky: thank you. audacious looks great. |
| 05:06.37 | jnewt | sounds pretty good too |
| 05:06.49 | wsky | cool. however i still prefer clementine over it. |
| 05:06.50 | xeon-enouf | the i8042 is actually compiled into the kernel even, IIRC - wait, let me check initramfs modules |
| 05:07.04 | xeon-enouf | lsinitramfs == nice tool :-p |
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| 05:10.21 | xeon-enouf | oh, i'm on debian in freenode ..duh, rryoumaa just so you know, that #debian-boot is on oftc.net, but best to just file bug report |
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| 05:17.25 | rryoumaa | nk |
| 05:17.48 | rryoumaa | which i presume requires email right? |
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| 05:24.47 | slidesinger | Is there any documentation anywhere that explains how headers and headers common work? |
| 05:25.30 | slidesinger | The files that the program I'm trying to compile is looking for are there, but the program cannot find them. |
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| 05:30.30 | rryoumaa | ok* |
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| 05:51.24 | swampy | Hi, my keyboard multimedia keys show up correctly with showkeys and in acpi_listen, however they never seem to reach X, xev does not show them.. no XF86Audio*, however XF86MonBrightness works, any idea how I get them to X? |
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| 05:51.35 | DebianUsr | Hell all |
| 05:52.34 | DebianUsr | I need some help if it isnt' too much to ask. I've looked through articles on the internet. Downloaded 'wireless-tools' package, wpa-supplicant for WPA Keys. But yet, the wireless refuses to connect on my laptop. No GUI, just command line |
| 05:53.52 | swampy | you could try a gui for wicd or networkmanager |
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| 05:55.07 | DebianUsr | well the objective is for not having a GUI, I want to learn the command line, and believe me I wanted to come on this channel for awhile, but I finally gave in when I kept getting refusal from it lol |
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| 05:57.20 | wsky | DebianUsr: wicd has also a nice ncurses frontend |
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| 05:58.11 | DebianUsr | ncurses frontend? |
| 05:58.22 | wsky | !ncurses |
| 05:58.23 | dpkg | it has been said that ncurses is a free clone of curses, a library for the management of in- and output for character-cell based terminals and terminal emulators. If you want to install ncurses, you most likely want to: aptitude install libncurses5-dev |
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| 05:59.19 | DebianUsr | oh ok |
| 05:59.22 | DebianUsr | i'll try it |
| 05:59.39 | DebianUsr | and when if i can get connect, i can get out of this web irc and into a client |
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| 06:03.36 | slidesinger | Should the linux symlink point to linux-headers-(arch) or to linux-headers-common? |
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| 06:04.39 | wsky | linux-headers-(arch) i supose |
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| 06:18.33 | wsky | DebianUsr: can't you connect it with an ethernet cable to your router? |
| 06:18.49 | wsky | assuming you have one |
| 06:18.58 | DebianUsr | possibly wsky |
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| 06:43.12 | sencha | I set up my time on my Debian system using dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, but it's an hour behind when it should be (because of daylight savings time). How to switch to EDT instead of EST? |
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| 06:43.37 | sencha | or should I just set up NTP? |
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| 06:53.20 | rryoumaa | why are there 2 debian cd signing keys with exactly the same name but different key ids? |
| 06:53.37 | rryoumaa | DA87E80D6294BE9B Debian CD signing key <debian-cd@lists.debian.org> |
| 06:53.39 | rryoumaa | - 988021A964E6EA7D Debian CD signing key <debian-cd@lists.debian.org> |
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| 06:54.30 | rryoumaa | and, maybe silly question, but how do i verify those keys or know which one should be used? |
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| 07:33.06 | ExeciN | I just installed debian with grub-EFI but the volume does not show up in my boot selection screen. How can I proceed? |
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| 07:39.35 | xeon-enouf | ExeciN: try disabling SecureBoot |
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| 07:40.27 | sienloh | Hello. Can i ask questions related to installation of Debian? i still have not installed, but I have a few queries bfore which i can |
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| 07:41.05 | xeon-enouf | read the installation-guide already? |
| 07:41.33 | sienloh | Yep, the one for amd64 |
| 07:41.42 | xeon-enouf | ok |
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| 07:42.39 | sienloh | What I want to know is if 60GB is going to be adequate. I will be installating on a laptop and will dual boot with windows. Will linux allow me to see the windows drives, and do read/write operations on them? |
| 07:42.39 | ExeciN | xeon-enouf: Both of my boot loaders (apple's and rEFInd) couldn't detect my debian HD however I restarted without any overwrites and debian just booted (I can't really explain what happened though, it seems not-logical) |
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| 07:44.20 | LinaSovereign | Hey ! |
| 07:44.33 | xeon-enouf | *shrugs* - can you file an Installation Report ExeciN ? |
| 07:44.52 | xeon-enouf | !tell ExeciN -about reportbug |
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| 07:45.43 | sienloh | all my emails are on the windows partition so it would be good if the linux can read write to the windows partition. i can point thunderbird to use the same mail storage location.. i am not sure if this is possible though |
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| 07:46.26 | xeon-enouf | sienloh: ntfs rw is done using FUSE and ntfs-3g |
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| 07:46.59 | xeon-enouf | sienloh: over network, one would use CIFS/SMB |
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| 07:47.08 | sienloh | xeon-enouf: erm, i am not sure what those are, but seems those are packages that i need to install? |
| 07:47.25 | sienloh | no, i want it on the same machine. not much of a network at home. just 2 devices. |
| 07:47.46 | xeon-enouf | sienloh: with proper Share perms set to allowed on topmost dir, and then mount the share |
| 07:48.00 | xeon-enouf | i know, was just adding |
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| 07:48.16 | xeon-enouf | !ntfs-3g |
| 07:48.16 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 07:48.22 | xeon-enouf | sienloh: ^ |
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| 07:48.49 | xeon-enouf | !tell sienloh -about msgthebot |
| 07:49.04 | xeon-enouf | make use of it sienloh ;) |
| 07:49.06 | ExeciN | My computer is now stuck on waiting for /dev to be fully populated... No disk activity. Does that action takes long or is my computer stuck? |
| 07:49.23 | sienloh | hehe, reading, xeon-enouf .. thanks |
| 07:49.35 | Dewi | ExeciN: shouldn't take long no |
| 07:49.42 | xeon-enouf | sounds like udev/devtmpfs issue ExeciN |
| 07:49.47 | Dewi | ExeciN: wait what are you doing? |
| 07:49.59 | Dewi | just booting? |
| 07:50.16 | ExeciN | Dewi: Waiting for debian to load |
| 07:50.30 | ExeciN | *for the first time |
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| 07:51.57 | Dewi | shouldn't take very long even then |
| 07:52.28 | Dewi | 5 mins probably means stuck |
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| 07:52.32 | ExeciN | I got some PRAMIN flush timeout messages |
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| 07:55.30 | ExeciN | I restarted and I got the same PRAMIN flush timeout messages again (I am also stuck) |
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| 07:59.20 | sienloh | xeon-enouf: one more query - should i do a "net install", or should i download the CD iso/dvd? |
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| 08:02.01 | rryoumaa | does the installer create a black screen for a few minutes? or is that a bug? |
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| 08:05.46 | dizzylizzy | rryoumaa, is it only for a few minutes? or does it persist? |
| 08:06.09 | dizzylizzy | I had issues with the debian installer for 6.0 a while back... it seemed that every time I burned it to a CD, it would hang with a black screen indefinitely |
| 08:06.18 | dizzylizzy | Ultimately it was an issue with the media |
| 08:06.19 | rryoumaa | dizzylizzy: well, i assumed it was a bug and rebooted after a few minutes. there was no indicatin of activity at all. shouldn't it say /sopmething/ after you press return on install? |
| 08:06.26 | dizzylizzy | Yes, it should |
| 08:06.31 | rryoumaa | ok |
| 08:06.35 | dizzylizzy | i had just had very cheap CD's |
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| 08:06.42 | dizzylizzy | is there a blinking cursor? |
| 08:06.49 | rryoumaa | no |
| 08:06.52 | dizzylizzy | does it even say "ISOLINUX" or anything? just black? |
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| 08:07.20 | rryoumaa | it says that first, then has the menu, then return does nothing, then hitting return a bit more does the black screen |
| 08:07.21 | dizzylizzy | at what stage then? did you get the boot menu? |
| 08:07.41 | ExeciN | http://pastebin.com/6jfa0gTh no matter how many times I restart, I always get stuck with the same output messages |
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| 08:09.06 | dizzylizzy | I'm wondering if different monitor settings set at the boot prompt might help |
| 08:09.30 | rryoumaa | huh |
| 08:09.49 | rryoumaa | i don't think there is that option |
| 08:10.30 | Ixium | rryoumaa: you could try the option: nomodeset after the kernel-line |
| 08:10.35 | Red_M | http://imgur.com/pCOyELx -- one of my recent sketches |
| 08:10.43 | Red_M | if anyone wants to have a look |
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| 08:10.49 | rryoumaa | Ixium: this is netinst? |
| 08:10.51 | rryoumaa | Ixium: this is netinst |
| 08:11.04 | ircnode0 | Can I recovery removed file based on file name and the location? |
| 08:11.31 | Red_M | derp |
| 08:11.34 | Red_M | wrong chan |
| 08:11.36 | Ixium | hmmz |
| 08:11.40 | Ixium | text-mode? |
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| 08:12.56 | rryoumaa | it says isolinux... whatever, then menu, then you press return (not graphical) then nothing happens, then return a few times, then black screen |
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| 08:13.41 | Ixium | it looks like a modeswitch problem |
| 08:14.12 | rryoumaa | what is that? |
| 08:14.22 | Ixium | at the bootmenu, can you press the letter e? |
| 08:14.37 | rryoumaa | dunno, what does that do? |
| 08:14.54 | Ixium | you can edit the boot-line |
| 08:14.59 | rryoumaa | nice |
| 08:15.16 | rryoumaa | maybe i will try that when i try again |
| 08:15.26 | Ixium | don't know for sure if it works with debian |
| 08:15.56 | sienloh | downloading the iso before i do the netinstall. |
| 08:16.04 | xeon-enouf | sienloh: hrm .. i don't understand |
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| 08:16.46 | xeon-enouf | sienloh: the netinstall is an ISO, you usually burn to cd/dvd and boot and it runs the installer.. |
| 08:16.50 | sienloh | xeon-enouf: oh, i meant should i do a net-install, or is it better to download the full sized CD iso/DVD |
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| 08:17.12 | sienloh | xeon-enouf: yep, i realised that, just finished downloading it. i will use that., hopefully, my laptop's wifi nic is recognised |
| 08:17.16 | xeon-enouf | use whichever you like; the larger the cd/dvd the more software |
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| 08:17.24 | xeon-enouf | yep |
| 08:17.44 | sienloh | xeon-enouf: nah, let me first install a few things and get going. debian with xfce :) |
| 08:17.50 | xeon-enouf | sienloh: that could be checked prior |
| 08:17.56 | sienloh | how? |
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| 08:18.00 | xeon-enouf | many ways |
| 08:18.10 | sienloh | well, it is a stinkpad x230 |
| 08:18.34 | xeon-enouf | wireless.kernel.org ; ... oh, then thinkwiki.org ; ##ibmthinkpad |
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| 08:18.55 | sienloh | that's nice - thinkwiki :) |
| 08:18.57 | xeon-enouf | what's important is kernel version ; lspci vendorID/productID pair, etc |
| 08:19.04 | xeon-enouf | possibly firmware |
| 08:19.08 | xeon-enouf | !hcl |
| 08:19.09 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ , http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/lists/hardware_linux.html and http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ . Also ask me about <driver locator>, <judd-hardware>. |
| 08:19.41 | xeon-enouf | could boot any recent livecd/dvd and check that; even dmesg and lspci and ethtool from livecd boot |
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| 08:19.49 | xeon-enouf | sienloh: ^ |
| 08:20.14 | sienloh | i have downloaded the netinstall iso. let me put it on a usb stick and then reboot |
| 08:20.33 | xeon-enouf | sure - i'm going to sleep though :-P |
| 08:20.40 | sienloh | sleep well :D |
| 08:20.55 | xeon-enouf | Zzzz. zzz. zz..... |
| 08:20.58 | xeon-enouf | :-) |
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| 08:22.57 | LeLutin | hey there. |
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| 08:23.03 | wsky | hey |
| 08:23.35 | LeLutin | i've created users and can ssh/scp to them, but sftp won't work.. I get disconnected right away.. |
| 08:23.53 | LeLutin | I'm using the default line Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 08:24.30 | LeLutin | anyone know what's going wrong or how I could debug this? |
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| 08:25.57 | wsky | LeLutin: what tellnet tells you when you try to connect on that port? |
| 08:26.00 | wsky | telnet* |
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| 08:28.22 | LeLutin | wsky: I see the banner SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6 |
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| 08:29.43 | Infiltrator | Does iputils-* supercede inetutils-*? |
| 08:29.48 | LeLutin | wsky: in -vv output for sftp, I can see "debug1: Authentication succeeded (publickey)." and then connection is closed right after but I don't see anything usedful in the output |
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| 08:35.21 | jnewt | having trouble mounting a windows share to my debian desktop. it mounts, but it seems to be ro. in fstab i have defaults,rw,user=,password= what should i check? i don't think it's the server, windows clients can rw no problem. |
| 08:35.59 | wsky | jnewt: use ntfs-3g |
| 08:36.07 | wsky | LeLutin: i'm looking into it... |
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| 08:45.03 | jnewt | wsky: i'm looking at man ntfs-3g, for example of mounting via fstab. i don't see where they use a syntax like //fileserver/directory, is this not permitted? seems they only mount local fs. |
| 08:45.09 | xeon-enouf | whoa! .. any OpenBox enthusiasts here using it's virtual multiple desktops/workspaces? (i use 10) I just stumbled onto a neat little handyhelper inadvertantly ;-) |
| 08:45.40 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: that'd be CIFS, over network |
| 08:45.53 | xeon-enouf | you don't need ntfs-3g for that jnewt |
| 08:46.09 | jnewt | xeon-enouf: that's what i have, but i'm getting ro, even though i have explicitly specified rw in fstab |
| 08:46.26 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: what does /proc/mounts show about it? |
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| 08:47.39 | wsky | dir |
| 08:47.39 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: i have this in fstab cifs noauto,guest,rw 0 0 |
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| 08:47.49 | wsky | whoops |
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| 08:48.11 | jnewt | xeon-enouf, i show it in there twice, both lines show rw in them. |
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| 08:48.21 | xeon-enouf | then i just sudo mount /mnt/point i have listed |
| 08:48.31 | wsky | LeLutin: no idea, i've just ran 'sftp wsky@address' and it connected me witghout any speciall preparations |
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| 08:48.45 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: but - wait - what's the error? |
| 08:48.57 | jnewt | no error, i have no write access |
| 08:49.09 | jnewt | can't save any files i open from there |
| 08:49.11 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: then set the share permission better |
| 08:49.38 | wsky | jnewt: UUID=your_uuid /your/ntfs/mountpoint ntfs-3g dfaults 0 0 |
| 08:49.55 | wsky | jnewt: ah, and you have to install ntfs-3g if it's not present |
| 08:50.04 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: after Right-Clicking FolderName -> Sharing and Security; |
| 08:50.12 | xeon-enouf | [x] Share this folder on the network |
| 08:50.23 | xeon-enouf | [x] Allow network users to change my files |
| 08:50.30 | xeon-enouf | you need both jnewt |
| 08:50.59 | jnewt | wsky: i have ntfs-3g |
| 08:51.00 | xeon-enouf | wsky: he doesn't need, nor use ntfs-3g for this ;-) |
| 08:51.05 | wsky | jnewt: the default linux ntfs module doesnt suppirt writing on ntfs filesystems and even with that enabled, the writing on ntfs partition is very limited |
| 08:51.10 | xeon-enouf | this is a Networking FS |
| 08:51.37 | wsky | s/the writing/writing/ |
| 08:51.38 | xeon-enouf | he would only need it for a local FS ntfs mount |
| 08:52.03 | BenNZ | wsky: since squeeze /sbin/mount.ntfs is symlinked to /sbin/mount.ntfs-3g |
| 08:52.27 | BenNZ | wsky: so whether not he specifies it , he's using it |
| 08:52.31 | xeon-enouf | Maybe i misunderstand? -- the "//fileserver/directory" bit he posted makes one presume it's CIFS |
| 08:52.32 | wsky | ic |
| 08:52.36 | jnewt | xeon-enouf: are you saying that the permissions need to be changed specifically for a linux client (windows clients can access just fine). I'll have to check those boxes to see their setting, but it seems odd it would be different. |
| 08:52.42 | xeon-enouf | oh wait |
| 08:52.51 | xeon-enouf | he also said Windows Share |
| 08:52.59 | wsky | ah i've misunderstood you, it's a network share idd |
| 08:53.18 | wsky | dunno why i've thought about ntfs partition |
| 08:53.26 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: hrm, is it XP pro? it wouldn't seem to be so |
| 08:53.47 | jnewt | xeon-enouf: no, all are 7 |
| 08:53.50 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: also - you must get some error ; use a terminal to attempt to cp a file |
| 08:53.57 | xeon-enouf | oh |
| 08:54.10 | wsky | jnewt: mount.cifs //ip/sharename /mnutpoint -o rw,uid=your_uid,gid=your_gid |
| 08:54.19 | xeon-enouf | still - if no Server2008 or AD is involved .. |
| 08:54.33 | jnewt | xeon-enouf, no AD |
| 08:54.50 | xeon-enouf | but maybe Windows does someting on it's own through Map Network Drive |
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| 08:54.57 | xeon-enouf | so go look |
| 08:55.07 | LeLutin | wsky: found this, but I don't know yet if it relates to my issue: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=627050 |
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| 08:55.19 | xeon-enouf | i know what i had to do; listed above jnewt for xp pro |
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| 08:55.36 | jnewt | xeon-enouf, cannot create regular file, permission denied |
| 08:55.39 | wsky | ah and he's trying to mount it via fstab |
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| 08:55.57 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: perhaps you need some credentials file or so for user= pass= .. use CIFS. not samba |
| 08:56.05 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: exactly |
| 08:56.08 | wsky | jham: have you enbled write access in that share in windows |
| 08:56.09 | wsky | ? |
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| 08:56.17 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: that's the error i used to get |
| 08:56.33 | benedikt | When i remove a specific USB device from my computer, I get a kernel panic (I can even see a stack trace, this looks quite dangerous) |
| 08:56.34 | jnewt | wsky: yeah, i have a windows client right next to this debian one that can rw all day long |
| 08:56.42 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: note, i'm accessing as 'guest' - not sure you want to, but that's what works for me |
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| 08:56.54 | benedikt | The problem is that the message is never saved to disk, X is just turned off and I'm presented with this long message in the framebuffer. |
| 08:56.57 | jnewt | xeon-enouf, no guest allowed |
| 08:57.03 | benedikt | Shouldn't it end up in kern.log or dmesg? |
| 08:57.07 | xeon-enouf | ouch, heh |
| 08:57.09 | wsky | jnewt: anyways look into mount.cifs options |
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| 08:57.15 | sonnie | hi, can i ask twinview setting of nVidia on debian in this channel? |
| 08:57.55 | benedikt | sonnie: http://jeff.jones.be/technology/articles/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/ |
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| 08:58.32 | NyberMi1 | This is more of an #raspbian question, but it seems quiet there compared to here so i'll give it a shot: do you think the ARM on the raspberry pi will be a problem when installing printer drivers? for example, my samsung ml2525 might not have any drivers for ARM architecture and are linux printer drivers dependant on the architecture? |
| 08:58.40 | jnewt | wsky: man mount cifs options got me this far, but i'm stuck |
| 08:59.13 | wsky | jnewt: what about root access? can root write on the mounted share? |
| 08:59.31 | xeon-enouf | it's an error on the windows side |
| 08:59.39 | xeon-enouf | security setup |
| 08:59.55 | jnewt | wsky: yes, root can write |
| 09:00.09 | xeon-enouf | then it's user error |
| 09:00.18 | xeon-enouf | otherwise known as .. wait for it ... |
| 09:00.20 | wsky | there you go, mount it with uid and gid of your regular user |
| 09:00.26 | xeon-enouf | !pebkac |
| 09:00.26 | dpkg | pebkac is probably Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK, PEBMAC, PICNIC, PEBRHAL |
| 09:00.31 | xeon-enouf | :-) |
| 09:00.34 | wsky | xeon-enouf: yep |
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| 09:01.47 | jnewt | ah, i see all those files show being uid / gid root. so i need to spec root uid / gid or my user? |
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| 09:02.40 | xeon-enouf | man mount.cifs goes into all the sordid details |
| 09:02.57 | wsky | jnewt: your regular user, not root, but this doesnt matter for the windows side |
| 09:03.24 | xeon-enouf | would just enable guest account/access; but you might have different goals/reasons to keep things as user, to know who did what |
| 09:04.24 | wsky | jham: the files you write will have same permissions written from root or regular users |
| 09:04.33 | wsky | ehm |
| 09:04.39 | wsky | this was not pretty |
| 09:04.41 | wsky | nvm |
| 09:04.53 | xeon-enouf | you could use a credentials file as i mentioned so it's not in your fstab and not transmitted in clear text, or in your history |
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| 09:05.40 | jnewt | xeon-enouf: fstab doesn't transmit my user / password clear text right? |
| 09:05.45 | ^DEMOSS^ | hello |
| 09:05.56 | wsky | hey |
| 09:06.03 | xeon-enouf | right, but the other two, i meant |
| 09:06.15 | xeon-enouf | didn't feel like erasing .. |
| 09:06.16 | ^DEMOSS^ | anybody can help me with information for specialist, whose can help me restore my raid 5 on mdadm |
| 09:06.36 | jnewt | xeon-enouf, meh, i'm 1000 :) now everyone knows |
| 09:06.38 | xeon-enouf | some people type it all in on the cmdline |
| 09:06.53 | xeon-enouf | so is every default debian user :-P |
| 09:06.57 | jnewt | yup |
| 09:07.27 | jnewt | ok it is working now. thanks. i could have fought that for hours. |
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| 09:07.45 | wsky | jnewt: what was your problem again? :-P |
| 09:08.02 | xeon-enouf | jnewt: so all you needed to do was put user=1000,group=1000 in your fstab, right? |
| 09:08.36 | xeon-enouf | or... would you put your windows username? and password? gah |
| 09:08.48 | xeon-enouf | right, that ^ |
| 09:09.14 | wsky | uid and gid |
| 09:09.32 | xeon-enouf | no, that'd be for linux mounts |
| 09:09.39 | wsky | yes |
| 09:09.54 | wsky | user and password for credentialls |
| 09:09.57 | xeon-enouf | windows has no concept of unix perms, so it'd have to be windows username/passworkd |
| 09:10.07 | ChrisH | ^DEMOSS^: I assume all are waiting for your question. |
| 09:10.08 | xeon-enouf | that's why guest works here |
| 09:10.11 | wsky | now i'm lost |
| 09:10.25 | xeon-enouf | there's a guest account on windows |
| 09:11.03 | xeon-enouf | wsky: the userID/groupID is for linux; (windows) username/pass for windows |
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| 09:11.44 | wsky | xeon-enouf: username and password are options used to authenticate the connection yes |
| 09:11.54 | ExeciN | nvidia-versions.sh reports "Several NVIDIA cards detected. Check support manually." I currently don't have 3D acceleration. How should I proceed? |
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| 09:13.53 | wsky | it's wintersky |
| 09:14.13 | xeon-enouf | lspci -nn | grep VGA ? |
| 09:14.23 | xeon-enouf | lspci -nn | grep -i nvidia ? |
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| 09:16.51 | xeon-enouf | !tell ExeciN -about nvidia |
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| 09:16.57 | xeon-enouf | !tell ExeciN -about msgthebot |
| 09:17.54 | ExeciN | xeon-enouf: http://pastebin.com/JuCcY04p |
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| 09:18.24 | martin3z | buntu |
| 09:18.39 | martin3z | heh sorry |
| 09:18.52 | wsky | bow before me |
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| 09:19.59 | NyberMi1 | ExeciN: how can you have two mobile nvidia chips? |
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| 09:21.01 | ExeciN | NyberMi1: Lower consumption VS higher performance |
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| 09:21.42 | NyberMi1 | dual gpu takes less power than a single more powerful chip? |
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| 09:21.48 | jelly-home | NyberMi1: yes. |
| 09:22.11 | NyberMi1 | i see... all i can think of is more surface area to dissipate heat but ok |
| 09:22.29 | NyberMi1 | still curious why they aren't the same exact chip though |
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| 09:23.08 | ExeciN | NyberMi1: The are not working together. |
| 09:23.14 | wsky | NyberMi1: one chip consumes less power and is weaker than the other, and in normal environment (on windows) software swithes between them |
| 09:23.16 | ExeciN | *they |
| 09:23.33 | wsky | ExeciN: i'd turn off one of them in bios |
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| 09:23.55 | wsky | ExeciN: i do not excpect anything good to come with dual gpu on Linux |
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| 09:24.27 | wsky | at least for the present day |
| 09:24.35 | ExeciN | wsky: On MacOS the software switches between them (logout is required) in BIOS compatibility mode only the high quality is used |
| 09:24.40 | wsky | well at least when it comes to Optimus |
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| 09:24.50 | jelly-home | wsky: it works if they're both nvidia |
| 09:24.58 | xeon-enouf | Oh - forgot to tell you my whoa! about openbox; middle-click on any blank area of any desktop; you see all the deskops and windows; minimized or otherwise, and can jump right to whichever window you want ;-) |
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| 09:25.26 | xeon-enouf | personally has Emulate3Buttons enabled, so that works for me ;-) |
| 09:25.26 | wsky | xeon-enouf: did you modify openbox or is it some kind of addon? |
| 09:25.37 | wsky | never used openbox |
| 09:25.39 | xeon-enouf | wsky: no, it just works ;-) |
| 09:25.52 | xeon-enouf | wsky: i stumbled onto it, inadvertantly |
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| 09:26.06 | ExeciN | wsky: I boot debian natively using grub-efi |
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| 09:26.23 | xeon-enouf | wsky: i've been rolling mouse-wheel to traverse the desktops |
| 09:26.37 | wsky | cool |
| 09:26.41 | xeon-enouf | oh - an apple? Dual-link DVI? |
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| 09:26.58 | xeon-enouf | wsky: sure; and this though is way cooler ;-) |
| 09:27.14 | wsky | ExeciN: sorry, i personally have no experience nether with macs nor nvidia optimus |
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| 09:29.37 | xeon-enouf | ExeciN: bios compatibility mode vs EFI? |
| 09:29.47 | xeon-enouf | so grub-bios is then used? |
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| 09:30.17 | ExeciN | grub-efi is used |
| 09:30.24 | xeon-enouf | i bet powertop might be useful, if you think you're get bad battery life on linux |
| 09:30.31 | xeon-enouf | s/life/time |
| 09:30.59 | xeon-enouf | ExeciN: if you put it into bios compat mode, wouldn't you need grub-bios? which mode is it in now? |
| 09:31.08 | NyberMi1 | wasn't powertop made by intel or someone and hadn't been updated for like 4 years? |
| 09:31.20 | xeon-enouf | yeah |
| 09:31.23 | xeon-enouf | lesswatts.org |
| 09:31.31 | xeon-enouf | no idea if it's updated |
| 09:31.33 | NyberMi1 | this was... able to make changes and optimizations to get more battery life |
| 09:31.42 | xeon-enouf | yep |
| 09:31.42 | homes | NyberMi1: there anything better? |
| 09:31.56 | homes | fwiw my laptop is about 4 years old too |
| 09:32.31 | xeon-enouf | did you install using laptop-mode? not sure how that works; the Installer presents the options? |
| 09:32.53 | ExeciN | Yes I used laptop-mode |
| 09:33.12 | xeon-enouf | and likely does what, other than install cpufreq-utils and perhaps acpi-utils? |
| 09:33.28 | xeon-enouf | not that you'd know offhand ExeciN |
| 09:33.36 | NyberMi1 | homes: im afraid im too rusty with linux to be able to help you right now |
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| 09:34.00 | xeon-enouf | ExeciN: you can tell i know nothing of macs, nor much of nvidia, heh |
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| 09:34.18 | ExeciN | I don't want to boot debian using BIOS mode because it masks all the hardware and basically is creating a virtual bottleneck |
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| 09:34.28 | xeon-enouf | ExeciN: sometimes ##linux might be helpful |
| 09:34.42 | xeon-enouf | ExeciN: ouch ... |
| 09:34.47 | homes | might, hah |
| 09:34.52 | xeon-enouf | not sure what you mean, but i'll take your word |
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| 09:35.38 | xeon-enouf | homes: it can be yes; heh |
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| 09:36.33 | ExeciN | BIOS mode have made exclusively for windows so that the masked hardware will be matched with apple's drivers specifically made for windows |
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| 09:38.36 | xeon-enouf | yikes |
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| 09:39.10 | xeon-enouf | hardware is getting ... insane ..for no reason; everyone should be shooting for coreboot/flashrom |
| 09:39.21 | xeon-enouf | atleast for x86 |
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| 09:39.59 | homes | indeed. |
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| 09:40.11 | homes | i for one don't trust EFI |
| 09:40.21 | xeon-enouf | this secureboot crap has to go ... reminds me of the push for blackboxes in all new automobiles in US starting next year |
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| 09:40.51 | nevyn | homes: the problem is there's a LOT of code to trust |
| 09:40.56 | xeon-enouf | all about control man |
| 09:41.08 | homes | been pondering a lemote, |
| 09:41.30 | ExeciN | Apple is a bit selfish about everything it releases. It ensures that no one can use 3rd party drivers. |
| 09:42.01 | nevyn | zareason? |
| 09:42.04 | xeon-enouf | anyone hear of Raytheons new medussa creature called RIOT? |
| 09:42.34 | xeon-enouf | don't answer that - too OT for here |
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| 09:43.52 | xeon-enouf | oh, and gee - the NSA has a standard for Elliptical Curve Crypto? ..nice.. heh |
| 09:44.37 | homes | ECC certainly is getting traction now days, NI04:40:22 < xeon-enouf> this secureboot crap has to go ... reminds me of the push for blackboxes in all |
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| 09:44.52 | homes | sorry, using putty |
| 09:45.21 | homes | NIST has some standards re ECC, OpenPGP seems likely to get ECC support |
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| 09:46.27 | xeon-enouf | and gnupg too |
| 09:46.32 | jelly | homes: it's already in gpg. "The ECC support accomplished in this project was successfully merged into mainline GnuPG v.2 source tree in Feb 2011." http://code.google.com/p/gnupg-ecc/ |
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| 09:46.55 | xeon-enouf | there, heh |
| 09:46.57 | ExeciN | I think sgfxi saved the days |
| 09:47.01 | eptalon | hello all |
| 09:47.07 | ExeciN | *days |
| 09:47.15 | xeon-enouf | was just viewing that page yesterday jelly ! |
| 09:47.21 | ExeciN | hates autocorrects |
| 09:47.44 | wsky | i r smurtar dan u! |
| 09:47.47 | xeon-enouf | you would NOT believe how i came across it -- nay, you'd never guess in a million yrs |
| 09:47.51 | homes | jelly: ahh, didn't know it was merged |
| 09:48.08 | xeon-enouf | ready for this one? |
| 09:48.11 | homes | xeon-enouf: it was tatooed on the back of a hooker you were snorting crack off? |
| 09:48.44 | xeon-enouf | so .. i'm eyeing my swap partition for data (strings) and i notice convo spilledover/pushed onto swap from various irc channels i'm in ... |
| 09:48.54 | xeon-enouf | homes: close |
| 09:49.10 | homes | heh. |
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| 09:49.45 | xeon-enouf | homes: your scenario would be much more pleasant :-P |
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| 09:51.28 | xeon-enouf | that is if one could actually 'snort' 'crack' |
| 09:51.32 | eptalon | in debian sid, how do i setup subversion so that I can check in some code from a different computer? |
| 09:51.52 | homes | eptalon: what? |
| 09:51.53 | xeon-enouf | eptalon: more info |
| 09:52.02 | xeon-enouf | rephrase |
| 09:52.19 | xeon-enouf | check in == subversion lingo |
| 09:53.11 | eptalon | ok, backgrund, some development in Java, on a separate computer; I want to set up subversion, so that I can check in code into the repository; however this is not using the file:// interface, but "over the network". |
| 09:53.34 | eptalon | xeon-enouf: subversion is a version control system. |
| 09:53.42 | xeon-enouf | hobbles his sorry butt over to ##linux where he can talk about hookers/crack/snorting/being droned more freely |
| 09:53.48 | xeon-enouf | eptalon: i know |
| 09:54.37 | homes | eptalon: mount it over NFS, or use webdav, or copy your changes over manually and ci via file://, or switch to hg/git |
| 09:54.38 | wsky | xeon-enouf: try #police |
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| 09:54.44 | eptalon | so the very basic question is: how do I set it up on the comp running sid, so that I can actually use it over the network (as opposed to some command-line, executed from the same computer) |
| 09:54.56 | homes | eptalon: ahh, or there may b a ssh+svn :) |
| 09:55.06 | koollman | eptalon: http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_subversion_websvn (you can stop right before 'Setting up websvn') |
| 09:55.21 | xeon-enouf | the DEs do svn:// syntax, don't they? |
| 09:55.28 | ExeciN | How can I boot without the graphical environment started? |
| 09:55.39 | xeon-enouf | !nodm |
| 09:55.39 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
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| 09:56.50 | ExeciN | xeon-enouf: just temporarily |
| 09:57.03 | homes | eptalon: hmm, you do know about ssh right? |
| 09:57.20 | xeon-enouf | what is the proper term for the svn:// , http:// , file:// ... URIs? or just Protocols? |
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| 09:57.29 | eptalon | homes: I use it on a daily basis... |
| 09:57.40 | wsky | ExeciN: chmod 644 /etc/init.d/yourmanagerscript |
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| 09:57.58 | xeon-enouf | ExeciN: echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager #should do, but cat it first to see what's there |
| 09:58.07 | xeon-enouf | that too |
| 09:58.54 | eptalon | homes: git/hg worththe trouble if I will be the only one ever using it? |
| 09:59.00 | xeon-enouf | unless you have more than one; sudo update-alternatives --list x-session-manager ?should show all available |
| 09:59.01 | Ixium | xeon-enouf: i never noticed because i run a server without X, but no default X-runlevel? that's stupid! lol |
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| 09:59.24 | xeon-enouf | Ixium: well ; 2345 ... |
| 09:59.30 | eptalon | Ixium: w^ti yium what exactky is a rukevel? |
| 09:59.31 | xeon-enouf | since they're the same |
| 09:59.43 | xeon-enouf | !runlevel |
| 09:59.44 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (there are no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. See also http://debian-administration.org/articles/212, <startup>, <file-rc>, <single-user mode>. |
| 10:00.03 | xeon-enouf | eptalon: you're typing sucks worse than mithntttet |
| 10:00.03 | eptalon | basically there is single-user, and multi-user, but other than that, its arbitrary. |
| 10:00.15 | eptalon | xeon-enouf: I no |
| 10:00.26 | xeon-enouf | s/no/know/ |
| 10:01.00 | xeon-enouf | tried and liked file-rc .. but .. oh nvm |
| 10:01.26 | xeon-enouf | please .. someone tell me that systemd is /not/ coming to debian |
| 10:01.30 | Ixium | xeon-enouf: i know, but on my arch-desktop i have level 5 as a default X-runlevel... > 3 is Multi-user / 5 is multi-user +X :) |
| 10:01.35 | jelly | ,v systemd |
| 10:01.36 | judd | Package: systemd on i386 -- wheezy: 44-8; sid: 44-10 |
| 10:01.47 | jelly | xeon-enouf: it's already there. |
| 10:01.54 | wsky | \o/ |
| 10:01.55 | jelly | ,v upstart |
| 10:01.57 | judd | Package: upstart on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.6-1; wheezy: 0.6.6-2; sid: 1.6.1-1 |
| 10:02.00 | xeon-enouf | pulls his hair out, headdesks, then runs away screaming |
| 10:02.02 | jelly | that one too |
| 10:02.12 | xeon-enouf | !!! |
| 10:02.12 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 10:02.59 | Ixium | !systemd |
| 10:02.59 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. http://wiki.debian.org/systemd http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:03.18 | Ixium | yay \o/ |
| 10:03.22 | xeon-enouf | just puked all over his keyboard |
| 10:03.41 | Ixium | hands over a towel |
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| 10:04.54 | xeon-enouf | yay, xml madhouse right? .. the 'service <name> <action>' isn't so bad (RHEL wannabees) .. but |
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| 10:06.00 | xeon-enouf | jelly: i see the , is the judd trigger, what's the 'v' for, versions? |
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| 10:06.37 | xeon-enouf | and how the heck is themill? |
| 10:06.39 | Ixium | loves systemd :) |
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| 10:07.36 | jelly | xeon-enouf: yes. /msg judd list judd; /msg judd list piccy |
| 10:07.59 | xeon-enouf | bodyslams Ixium with someone known as leonart |
| 10:08.09 | xeon-enouf | jelly: thanks |
| 10:08.21 | Ixium | lol |
| 10:08.23 | jelly | xeon-enouf: may I suggest #debian-offtopic for continued non-support activities |
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| 10:08.27 | xeon-enouf | jelly: wow,... you're at work so early? |
| 10:08.34 | xeon-enouf | sure |
| 10:08.35 | jelly | it's 11AM here. |
| 10:08.42 | deepy | 10AM here |
| 10:08.47 | xeon-enouf | oh ok |
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| 10:09.18 | Ixium | xeon-enouf: seems to hate systemd :) |
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| 10:10.23 | xeon-enouf | Ixium: i tend to not like a lot of things; nothing to do with change though .. but let me stop the OT here |
| 10:10.35 | homes | eptalon: yes. hg has svn like commands, git has linus support[ers]. Even if i was the only one working on a codebase i'd consider it well worth the time. using hg over svn in a close-to-identical fashion, will provide a much faster experience |
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| 10:10.38 | ZenWalker | hi |
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| 10:11.06 | ZenWalker | an official date of wheezy? |
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| 10:11.22 | Ixium | ZenWalker: it's ready when it's ready :P |
| 10:11.26 | xeon-enouf | you mean release-as-stable? |
| 10:11.29 | xeon-enouf | !wir |
| 10:11.29 | dpkg | [wir] When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
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| 10:12.10 | xeon-enouf | ZenWalker: how have all those patches and fixes you've submitted been accepted? |
| 10:12.13 | ZenWalker | I remember squeeze launched on 14 february |
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| 10:13.09 | xeon-enouf | oh dear .. what i want to know .. there was some collaboration with canonical release cycle? .... i fell away then, no idea what is going on with that |
| 10:13.25 | xeon-enouf | s/collaboration/coordination/ |
| 10:13.57 | xeon-enouf | !freeze |
| 10:13.57 | dpkg | The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Also ask me about <slushy>. |
| 10:15.05 | xeon-enouf | oh! .. i did not know that about wheezy |
| 10:15.06 | wsky | i wonder what happened with my ath9k kernel 3.2 bug subbision |
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| 10:15.13 | wsky | s/with/to/ |
| 10:15.50 | wsky | and yeah, it was ath5k actually |
| 10:15.55 | xeon-enouf | sounds like johnny carson when he types |
| 10:16.04 | xeon-enouf | that matters wsky :-P |
| 10:16.11 | frikinz | Hi all. I'm about to launch a netinst of squeeze. I always manage to take the wrong options. What should I choose if I want a server setup? No X and some daemons like samba? |
| 10:16.30 | xeon-enouf | wsky: to bugzilla? or to bdo? |
| 10:16.31 | wsky | xeon-enouf: this reminds me of bill carson, i have no idea who johny carson is |
| 10:16.35 | wsky | bdo |
| 10:16.43 | xeon-enouf | ok |
| 10:16.52 | ExeciN | frikinz: You can always install those later |
| 10:16.54 | xeon-enouf | wsky: no resonses? |
| 10:16.59 | xeon-enouf | wsky: to report? |
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| 10:17.21 | wsky | i remember it being closed short time after submission |
| 10:17.28 | xeon-enouf | !tell frikinz -about tasksel |
| 10:17.43 | xeon-enouf | wsky: so .. fixed? or .. |
| 10:17.49 | wsky | i doubt |
| 10:18.01 | xeon-enouf | wsky: could ask in #debian-kernel on oftc |
| 10:18.37 | wsky | i don't care |
| 10:18.38 | babilen | frikinz: Just install the standard task when it is time for software selection. In particular do not install the Desktop one |
| 10:18.42 | xeon-enouf | why would it be closed if not fixed - or atleast .. ya know; "marked as" |
| 10:18.47 | wsky | i build my own kernels as routine |
| 10:18.52 | wsky | gentoo habbits |
| 10:19.18 | xeon-enouf | wsky: me too |
| 10:19.25 | xeon-enouf | know about make deb-pkg? |
| 10:19.37 | wsky | yeah i do that on debian |
| 10:19.47 | xeon-enouf | or do you use make-kpkg? |
| 10:19.52 | xeon-enouf | no |
| 10:19.59 | xeon-enouf | you do that on source |
| 10:20.04 | frikinz | babilen: ok |
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| 10:21.49 | wsky | i must say that web ui of debian bugtracker cnfuses me, cant find nothing there |
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| 10:23.03 | wsky | how do i find bugs not knowing the bug number? |
| 10:23.15 | babilen | wsky: You search by package |
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| 10:23.42 | wsky | and where shpuld i type the package name? |
| 10:24.01 | wsky | except google |
| 10:24.17 | babilen | wsky: In the "Select bugs" → "By package" input box?! |
| 10:24.27 | babilen | err, "in package" |
| 10:24.30 | ExeciN | I launched debian with no hardware acceleration before. Now that I installed my gpu's drivers correctly every time my mouse pointer goes on the top left corner a "vertical dock" appears. What is that? How can I get the other interface like when I loaded debian with no hw acceleration? |
| 10:25.07 | wsky | babilen: yay, sorry, the polish translateion i have confused me |
| 10:25.15 | babilen | ExeciN: Which version of Debian are you using and which desktop environment do you use? |
| 10:25.52 | babilen | wsky: Sorry, I have never seen those :) -- You can also use google with "site:bugs.debian.org foo" |
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| 10:26.48 | xeon-enouf | wsky: i too found bdo weird to use; but yeah, i always use the number for ease ;-) |
| 10:27.04 | Nik05 | guys yesterday fsck didnt find any errors in fs, but this morning im running seagate's seatool and it already found 5 errors. so time to buy a new harddisk :P |
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| 10:27.33 | babilen | Nik05: Ok, what can we help you with? |
| 10:27.53 | ExeciN | babilen: wheezy-DI-RC1 I think it's gnome 3 |
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| 10:28.08 | Nik05 | nothing :P but jhut and some others were helping with problem. |
| 10:28.18 | xeon-enouf | ExeciN: might it be suggesting another monitor/display to jump across to? |
| 10:28.23 | Nik05 | so now they know my harddisk is broken hP |
| 10:28.30 | xeon-enouf | ExeciN: not sure what you mean by dock |
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| 10:29.07 | babilen | ExeciN: Yes, you probably just discovered the normal Gnome3 interface. You might have been using the fallback mode before that will be deprecated soon. If you don't like Gnome3 you can try alternative desktop environment such as XFCE or window managers such as awesome, fluxbox or openbox |
| 10:29.48 | xeon-enouf | ExeciN: sudo update-alternatives --list x-{session,window}-manager |
| 10:30.05 | babilen | Nik05: Ah, I see. Sorry, I was looking for a question in there and it just, well, looked quite factual. :) |
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| 10:30.08 | xeon-enouf | see what i mean? what a PITA to type, heh |
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| 10:31.06 | babilen | xeon-enouf: It is typically much easier for users to simply select their desktop environment of choice in their display manager |
| 10:31.09 | xeon-enouf | Nik05: thank you for following up; it's important to the community |
| 10:31.15 | Nik05 | :P |
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| 10:31.57 | Nik05 | this is the second time this type of harddisk broke |
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| 10:32.32 | wsky | Nik05: is this seatool wndows only perhaps? |
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| 10:32.42 | Nik05 | no no ;) dos |
| 10:33.00 | wsky | :-( |
| 10:33.13 | xeon-enouf | babilen: what if one chooses no display managler? |
| 10:33.18 | Nik05 | but it is still running so waiting for log |
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| 10:33.29 | xeon-enouf | s/manager/ |
| 10:33.54 | xeon-enouf | Nik05: heat issues? |
| 10:34.03 | babilen | xeon-enouf: ExeciN does not strike me as the person that did that. Also you can set the alternatives link to one thing and select a different one in your DM. |
| 10:34.03 | wsky | Nik05: i doubt the disk is broken unless you experience some things like data loss |
| 10:34.05 | xeon-enouf | heat KILLS hdds dead |
| 10:34.28 | wsky | Nik05: or bs in dmesg |
| 10:34.33 | Nik05 | well got a fan blowing on it, and i dont live in a hot country :P |
| 10:34.36 | xeon-enouf | babilen: he specifically just asked how to disable any/all DMs prior |
| 10:34.51 | Nik05 | wsky i got data loss on windows utorrent |
| 10:34.56 | Nik05 | gave a CRC error |
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| 10:35.43 | wsky | have a peek in SMART |
| 10:35.45 | xeon-enouf | your choice of HDD sucks, or stop buying remans |
| 10:36.06 | xeon-enouf | badblocks might be better |
| 10:36.17 | Nik05 | smart hasnt been tripped is what seatools says. smartctl gave no errors |
| 10:36.34 | homes | never knew about catchsegv(1) |
| 10:37.09 | Nik05 | xeon-enouf im not a hardware expert :P |
| 10:37.31 | Nik05 | but i think the transporter dropped it, those guys really messup everything |
| 10:37.50 | Nik05 | but this is offtopic |
| 10:38.21 | Nik05 | will login into debian with my 10 years old pc that is still working :P |
| 10:38.29 | xeon-enouf | seatools likely utilizes smart |
| 10:39.14 | wsky | does it contain a harpoon? |
| 10:39.15 | xeon-enouf | tosses in agent99 for atleast a worthwhile function |
| 10:39.46 | xeon-enouf | Nik05: 10yrs? you n00b |
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| 10:40.10 | Nik05 | what xeon? |
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| 10:40.33 | Nik05 | the 10 year old is another pc, the other one is 2, 3 years old |
| 10:40.42 | xeon-enouf | you realize you're in the company of some neckbeards, right? i am /not/ one -- i've got just a touch of grey |
| 10:41.01 | xeon-enouf | but it's alright ~/o |
| 10:41.12 | Nik05 | i dont get you |
| 10:41.14 | wsky | O_o |
| 10:41.30 | wsky | this is so ot |
| 10:41.55 | Nik05 | odd? |
| 10:41.56 | xeon-enouf | hurls a CP/M console from 197x towards Nik05 |
| 10:42.03 | wsky | xeon-enouf: who are the neckbeards? |
| 10:42.21 | babilen | reminds everyone of #debian-offtopic |
| 10:42.33 | xeon-enouf | wsky: web search ; and don't use google ; see dontbubble.us |
| 10:42.34 | Nik05 | yeah back to ontopic :P |
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| 10:43.40 | martin3z | guys, any idea for communicator in console for debian? in ncurses? i'm window-app killer :) |
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| 10:44.00 | xeon-enouf | Nik05: as far as i can tell (AFAICT) your HDD is shot; replace it |
| 10:44.38 | xeon-enouf | martin3z: "communicator in console" what?! |
| 10:45.02 | xeon-enouf | i had to copy/paste that - i ain't typing that out |
| 10:45.05 | martin3z | xeon-enouf: sth like pigin, psi etc. but in console |
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| 10:45.21 | xeon-enouf | !bitlber |
| 10:45.24 | xeon-enouf | !bitlbee |
| 10:45.24 | dpkg | BitlBee is an IRC gateway to instant messaging networks (supports Jabber/XMPP (e.g. Google Talk), MSN, AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, Twitter/identi.ca/status.net). Since version 3.0, it can alternatively use the <Pidgin> libbpurple for all instant message communication (packaged for Debian as bitlbee-libpurple). http://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/faq.html http://www.bitlbee.org/ #bitlbee on irc.oftc.net. See also <minbif>. |
| 10:45.29 | nevyn | Nik05: what's smart say? |
| 10:45.31 | wsky | martin3z: there is several of xmpp clients that use ncurses |
| 10:45.45 | babilen | xeon-enouf: Please use "dpkg: tell USER [-]about FACTOID" :) |
| 10:45.47 | ksk | martin3z: didnt see your question, you look for a console jabber client? take a look at mcabber |
| 10:45.49 | martin3z | wsky: that's why i ask |
| 10:46.03 | martin3z | ksk: ok |
| 10:46.35 | martin3z | ok, i try bitlbee and mcabber for now, thx |
| 10:46.42 | wsky | martin3z: i used to use ekg2 but i know it's lacking some basic security |
| 10:46.53 | wsky | like hashin passwords |
| 10:47.03 | martin3z | and what about finch? is ok? |
| 10:47.27 | babilen | martin3z: And yeah, take a look at bitlbee - there are various console jabber clients and you might want to google for those and use "debtags search protocol::jabber uitoolkit::ncurses" to show some of them. (Add additional tags as you see fit) |
| 10:48.08 | xeon-enouf | babilen: read scrollback |
| 10:48.22 | babilen | whatfor? |
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| 10:48.35 | xeon-enouf | babilen: (< babilen> xeon-enouf: Please use "dpkg: tell USER [-]about FACTOID" :)) |
| 10:48.36 | martin3z | babilen: ok i try |
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| 10:49.53 | babilen | xeon-enouf: I don't quite follow. I simply meant that it is better to ask the bot to send private messages to specific users and not to "spam" the channel -- /msg me if you want to elaborate on that. |
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| 10:51.06 | martin3z | ok ok how to use this dpkg tell if i need to find info? |
| 10:52.11 | babilen | martin3z: "/msg dpkg listkeys FOO" or "/msg dpkg listvals FOO" to search the database. You can also simply use "/msg dpkg FACTOID" -- Read <dpkgbot> for further details. |
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| 10:53.06 | martin3z | babilen: ok thx it is quite good, and i will not bother ppl here :) |
| 10:53.22 | xeon-enouf | babilen: i know, but you don't know that i'm not a newb here |
| 10:53.33 | babilen | xeon-enouf: I am well aware of that |
| 10:53.52 | babilen | but that is also nothing that has to be discussed in the channel :) |
| 10:54.05 | xeon-enouf | babilen: if you read the scrollback you;d see atleast 5-7 instances of me using the bot in that fashion |
| 10:54.16 | babilen | great! |
| 10:54.18 | xeon-enouf | do /not/ type faster than me |
| 10:54.30 | xeon-enouf | otherwise all comm will decease |
| 10:54.32 | babilen | Can we move on now? |
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| 10:55.25 | xeon-enouf | now that i had to type 500+ more characters than needed to explain that - what do you have to say for your aggressive behaviour? |
| 10:55.51 | canvon | o_O |
| 10:56.02 | martin3z | omg |
| 10:56.22 | wsky | xeon-enouf: it's a support channel |
| 10:56.37 | xeon-enouf | see how fast typing supports the fastest clown? |
| 10:56.42 | babilen | xeon-enouf: Seriously, simply /msg me if you want to discuss this. I don't necessarily want to discuss it, but /lets move on/ |
| 10:56.49 | xeon-enouf | or do you bozos not see that? |
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| 10:57.08 | wsky | :-( |
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| 10:57.35 | babilen | xeon-enouf: Please do not insult helpers in here. Typing speed is also not important and why can't we just move on? |
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| 11:00.08 | NyberMi1 | sorry for going off-topic, but what is +q in that user? |
| 11:00.14 | wsky | quiet |
| 11:00.14 | NyberMi1 | on that* |
| 11:00.19 | NyberMi1 | thank you |
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| 11:08.33 | ^DEMOSS^ | anybody can help me with information for specialist, whose can help me restore my raid 5 on mdadm |
| 11:08.55 | ^DEMOSS^ | http://pastebin.com/4wDZTKbq - it is mdadm stat |
| 11:09.30 | ^DEMOSS^ | i have 5 disk 1tb in raid5 on nas. nas is die |
| 11:09.44 | hyppias | trying to get webdav working, but keep getting the 405 error running cadaver on local host, then it drops into "dav:!>". what can I do ? |
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| 11:14.33 | ChrisH | ^DEMOSS^: please add the output of this commands to your paste: |
| 11:14.48 | ChrisH | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:16.14 | jelly | ^DEMOSS^: see if anyone in #linux-raid channel is available for consulting |
| 11:16.39 | ^DEMOSS^ | here your command http://pastebin.com/nrfnLF1L |
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| 11:18.34 | ChrisH | ^DEMOSS^: a. this is #debian not #ubuntu b. It looks like all disks are answering and you "only" need to assable the array. But I expected the md-tools to do that on their own based on the UUID of the disks |
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| 11:19.43 | ^DEMOSS^ | ChrisH: i can reinstall system on server to debian, but mdadm workind on deb and on ubutu ) |
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| 11:19.59 | ^DEMOSS^ | for nas server i do not know, what linux they have |
| 11:20.31 | ^DEMOSS^ | i use usualy debian, but ubuntu have live cd |
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| 11:22.11 | ChrisH | ^DEMOSS^: follow jelly recommenddation and show them both pasts. I expect its possible to reassamble the array without the need to searching the backup. |
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| 11:27.07 | ^DEMOSS^ | ok? thanks |
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| 11:30.45 | ExeciN | My pointer's speed is too high. (I tried changing the sensitivity from System Settings but it doesn't seem to make any difference) |
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| 11:33.21 | homes | ExeciN: perhaps you should try using emulated 64 bit pointers in 32bit mode |
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| 11:45.18 | phix | homes: :) |
| 11:45.34 | phix | homes: Would that be big or little endian? |
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| 11:48.14 | martin3z | any idea how to color logs from irc chat? |
| 11:48.22 | martin3z | i read it by vim or by less |
| 11:48.59 | homes | martin3z: a vim syntax file? |
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| 11:50.12 | martin3z | ok i'll try |
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| 11:50.16 | homes | http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Creating_your_own_syntax_files |
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| 11:51.08 | martin3z | homes: good one :) thx |
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| 11:56.52 | _val_ | Since this is 100% off-toppic, does anyone have any idea what the solution is to this? http://serverfault.com/questions/480593/cant-reach-network-192-168-100-0-24 |
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| 11:59.16 | ChrisH | _val_: Did you ask this a while ago? I remember the IPs and the question |
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| 12:03.14 | _val_ | ChrisH: no. I did not ask it in here. |
| 12:03.36 | ChrisH | _val_: the eth1.100 is a VLAN enabled interface? |
| 12:03.38 | _val_ | I asked it in #networking but nobody is responding |
| 12:03.45 | _val_ | ChrisH: correct. |
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| 12:03.57 | _val_ | Though at first it was disabled. |
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| 12:05.09 | ChrisH | _val_: a while ago someone asked similar stuff and I recommended to get a piece of paper and a pencil and draw the interfaces. If you snoop/tcpdump on eth1.100 do you see anything? |
| 12:05.58 | wall_e | Hello. Can anyone helpe me with a sed/awk syntax. I need a command to remove all lines containing less that 5 symbols from a txt file. I'm not sure how do go about this. |
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| 12:06.27 | deepy | What are the symbols? |
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| 12:06.40 | deepy | .{1..5} might work |
| 12:06.45 | Towzzer | he probably means characters |
| 12:07.10 | deepy | Sure, but I can't help him with it unless he gives me a range of valid symbols :P |
| 12:07.11 | wall_e | yes chars |
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| 12:07.30 | nullby7e | how RC will have 7.0 ? |
| 12:07.33 | wall_e | deepy: any line with less than 5 chars |
| 12:07.39 | deepy | any char is fine? |
| 12:07.45 | wall_e | yes deepy |
| 12:07.53 | ^DEMOSS^ | ChrisH: have any things about where i can find specialists ? |
| 12:08.17 | deepy | Sec, let me work something out then |
| 12:08.21 | ChrisH | ^DEMOSS^: jelly recommended a channel, did you try that? |
| 12:08.25 | wall_e | ;) |
| 12:09.51 | ^DEMOSS^ | ChrisH: yes, pple do not know what to do |
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| 12:11.45 | _val_ | ChrisH: let me see |
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| 12:16.52 | wall_e | deepy: anything? :) |
| 12:17.26 | _val_ | ChrisH: does not happen much on the eth1.100 |
| 12:17.34 | _val_ | tcpdump -vvvi eth1.100 |
| 12:17.36 | _val_ | nothing.. |
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| 12:18.28 | deepy | wall_e: this will return true on lines that are longer than 5 chars |
| 12:18.30 | deepy | [^']{6,} |
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| 12:18.34 | martin_ | hi where could be the log of the software Vinagre located? |
| 12:18.42 | deepy | it also counts linebreaks |
| 12:18.45 | ChrisH | ^DEMOSS^: what did you try so far? mdadm --scan or similar commands suggested while reading man mdadm? |
| 12:18.48 | martin_ | I cant find also the config of Vinagre |
| 12:19.10 | wall_e | deepy: what would the entire syntax be? |
| 12:19.18 | deepy | I'm reading up on sed now :P |
| 12:19.35 | ChrisH | _val_: nothing is not much, so are you sure this VLAN enabled interface is OK? is it pingable form remote/outside? I do not have any VLAN enabled interface to test it |
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| 12:20.03 | ^DEMOSS^ | http://pastebin.com/4wDZTKbq \ http://pastebin.com/nrfnLF1L \\ http://pastebin.com/TY0SJvzj - do you know, can i rebild this ? i do not know, and jelly do not know, and manual can't say me , can i do that |
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| 12:21.17 | _val_ | ChrisH: within the router itself I can ping 192.168.100.1 |
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| 12:22.47 | ChrisH | _val_: not from inside, from any other box on 192.168.100.0/24 network. |
| 12:23.20 | _val_ | valentin@firewall-1:~$ ping 192.168.100.1 |
| 12:23.21 | _val_ | PING 192.168.100.1 (192.168.100.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 12:23.22 | _val_ | 64 bytes from 192.168.100.1: icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=3.56 ms |
| 12:23.36 | _val_ | ChrisH: this is from firewall-1. So yes I can ping the vlan interface from outside. |
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| 12:24.47 | _val_ | ChrisH: http://dpaste.org/MDYOA/ the route -n on firewall-1 |
| 12:24.48 | ChrisH | ^DEMOSS^: this is beyond my scope of mdadm at the moment. |
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| 12:26.10 | alami | hello i want to fix this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=685640 |
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| 12:26.26 | ChrisH | _val_: 192.168.100.11 is the GW for 192.168.100.0/24 ? on dc-dc show ip route het 192.168.100.11 |
| 12:27.16 | alami | but i don't found the folder /usr/lib/rinse/common |
| 12:27.26 | alami | can any one help to fix this bug |
| 12:28.22 | _val_ | ChrisH: http://dpaste.org/2pd2O/ |
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| 12:29.51 | deepy | wall_e: ~$ sed -n -r "/[^']{6,}/ p" test.txt works for me |
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| 12:30.59 | _val_ | CrazyEddy: http://dpaste.org/kWBLN/ on Firewall 1 |
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| 12:31.41 | ChrisH | _val_: http://dpaste.org/VOZXC/ check this idea. I am missing the route for eth1.100 currently. But I am ot sure if the gateway enty creates a default gateway which is not wanted |
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| 12:31.43 | _val_ | but then it makes sense. eth0.200 on fw1.. has the 192.168.100.20 ip |
| 12:31.45 | shoot | hello |
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| 12:33.04 | ChrisH | _val_: from man interafces it creates the default gateway... you need a route anyhow into the network |
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| 12:34.01 | shoot | I recently i have installed kernel and kernel header file (manually) but when installing vmware it can't find the linux-header file.... Where is the header file is located ? |
| 12:34.13 | alami | any one can help to fix a debian bux |
| 12:35.20 | strixbg | hey all |
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| 12:36.02 | _val_ | ChrisH: I could add something like route add default gw 192.168.100.11 |
| 12:36.08 | _val_ | on dc-dc right? |
| 12:36.26 | _val_ | I might talk rubish now since I'm strugling with it all day long. Just don't see it anymore |
| 12:37.14 | Ziarkaen | Is the amount of data send/received over a network interface stored anywhere by default? I can get the info since last ifup in /sys, but I want something like the last week/month. |
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| 12:37.53 | Ziarkaen | Or is vnstat the only option? |
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| 12:38.45 | _val_ | ChrisH: I could not have 2 default gw's on dc-dc though |
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| 12:42.20 | Ziarkaen | #erc |
| 12:42.30 | Ziarkaen | Apologies. |
| 12:44.34 | strixbg | could someone help me resolve some problems with debian 6.0.6 fresh install on HP Probook 4530s. 1) How can I have native screen resolution of 1366x768 (currently 1024x768) - Hybrid Graphics Intel HD 3000/ Radeon HD 6470M. 2) 2nd problem is consequent for the first one, I gather that I should install kernel 2.6.38 from backports, I can't do that. |
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| 12:48.07 | dn4 | yo debian people it hasn't been 24 hours and my .iso image for my live build is gone |
| 12:48.32 | wall_e | deepy: thanks! I had to tweak things a bit, but you've helped a lot. Gracias ^^ |
| 12:49.58 | babilen | dn4: yo, they are removed after that time |
| 12:50.21 | dn4 | it has only been 16 hours |
| 12:50.23 | dn4 | not 24 |
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| 12:51.10 | babilen | strixbg: I would rather install 3.2 from backports (cf. "/msg dpkg bdo kernel") but you might just as well upgrade/install wheezy. See <install wheezy> <release notes wheezy> and <squeeze->wheezy> (/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy) for details |
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| 12:51.53 | babilen | dn4: I guess the cron job kicks in once a day ... no idea, but just download it after it has been created. You might want to clarify particulars in #debian-live on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) |
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| 12:52.20 | _val_ | ChrisH: I did add the default gateway in the interfaces file. Does not make any difference |
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| 12:53.23 | babilen | strixbg: And yeah, you /definitely/ want to use wheezy on that one as you also need a newer Xorg. You could install that from backports too (cf. <bdo xorg>) but then, why not run a better tested and soon-to-be-released combination ? |
| 12:53.50 | syncbq | does anyone know if you can recompile scripts/basic/fixdep without recompiling the kernel? for a 2.6 kernel |
| 12:54.39 | strixbg | babilen: thanks |
| 12:54.47 | shoot | debian 7 will have newer version of kernel (such as 3.7.X) ? |
| 12:54.56 | jelly | shoot: 3.2 |
| 12:55.33 | babilen | strixbg: You will also require firmware and you /might/ have to take a look at bumblebee. (you seem to have optimus graphics, but I am not that familiar with it as I quite intentionally avoided to buy it) |
| 12:55.37 | jelly | pretty much the same version like in squeeze-backports |
| 12:55.54 | shoot | it is already on testing. Will it not change when will be released as stable ? |
| 12:55.57 | babilen | shoot: 3.7 is in experimental and will make its way to sid after the release |
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| 12:56.29 | babilen | shoot: Will what change? The kernel version in wheezy is and will be 3.2 ... unstable and testing will, eventually, get a newer one |
| 12:56.50 | babilen | (and consequently also wheezy-backports) |
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| 12:57.29 | strixbg | babilen: no, it's not optimus, it's radeon - fglrx driver |
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| 12:59.37 | blink | Cannot locate linux-3.2.0-3 at snapshot.debian.org |
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| 13:00.26 | babilen | strixbg: Ah, ok. You'll need firmware for that (cf. <radeon> and <radeon firmware>) or you might want to install the fglrx driver (cf. <fglrx dkms>) -- either way, I am quite sure that the respective versions of the drivers, kernel and Xorg are too old in squeeze. |
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| 13:00.55 | giabboo | hello |
| 13:01.15 | strixbg | babilen: Ok, thank. Going to download debian-testing and install it |
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| 13:01.57 | babilen | strixbg: Use the netinst installer with firmware if you have a working internet connection (cf. "/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy") and good luck! |
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| 13:06.06 | babilen | hmm, gtg |
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| 13:16.15 | ChrisH | _val_: back from lunch. can you manually try a route add for the eth1.100 net ? |
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| 13:30.15 | steinex | Hi. I wonder if it's possible with pinning to forbid the installation of a package, even directly. Let's say i pin a=etch with prio -1, apt-get install <package that only exists in etch> should be forbidden |
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| 13:30.19 | steinex | is something like this possible? |
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| 13:30.50 | steinex | Reasoning: I keep maaaany sources on my squeeze-box, even etch, lenny, and so on. Reason is that I need 'apt-cache policy <foo>' very extensively |
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| 13:34.21 | GranoSalis | hi |
| 13:34.29 | blink | babilen: linux-headers-amd64 |
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| 13:36.54 | GranoSalis | how do i change my audio output device? |
| 13:36.54 | _val_ | ChrisH: did |
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| 13:37.42 | _val_ | route add default gw 192.168.100.11 |
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| 13:38.01 | _val_ | also did add it into /etc/network/interfaces under the eth1.100 vlan |
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| 13:40.11 | ChrisH | _val_: this is not what I intented... rouet add -net 192.168.100.0/24 gw 192.168.1.IP_FROM_INTERFACE |
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| 13:41.16 | bureq | hi |
| 13:41.48 | bureq | I've got a problem booting my luks partition after an update. |
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| 13:42.10 | bureq | it gives me evms_activate is not available error |
| 13:42.42 | bureq | i've chrooted into the system and ran update-initramfs -u -k all |
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| 13:42.52 | bureq | it says boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 does not exist. Cannot update. |
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| 13:43.13 | bureq | uname -r is giving me this 3.4.30-std340-amd64 |
| 13:43.44 | bureq | uuids in fstab and crypttab look ok to me |
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| 13:47.25 | _val_ | ChrisH: that command does not work |
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| 13:50.17 | hyppias | I want the system to send me warning mail about system intrusion etc. Which mal package should I install? Exim4? |
| 13:50.25 | GranoSalis | how do i install flash player? |
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| 13:52.25 | ChrisH | _val_: please check man route for correct syntax. I wrote it from the top of my head |
| 13:52.30 | joltcan | hyppias: any MTA, exim is installed by default and is nice |
| 13:52.44 | pskosinski | Granis: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 13:52.56 | pskosinski | Sh… Sorry Granis, GranoSalis ^ |
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| 13:54.11 | bluesm | How can I update my drivers for intel graphics ? |
| 13:54.43 | abrotman | bluesm: you probably don't have to .. what's wrong with the ones you have |
| 13:54.59 | ksk | hey |
| 13:55.32 | hyppias | joltcan: I see in Aptitude the exim-deamon-light package. Would that be enough? |
| 13:56.11 | ksk | top shows me that much cpu time is spent in "sy" - is there any tool to get a deeper look whats happening? |
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| 13:56.44 | GranoSalis | pskosinski: thanks |
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| 13:57.14 | GranoSalis | and |
| 13:57.25 | GranoSalis | i have 2 audio output devices |
| 13:57.27 | Towzzer | and the chair |
| 13:57.47 | GranoSalis | how do i change from using one to another? |
| 13:57.57 | GranoSalis | not a chair |
| 13:57.58 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.07 | GranoSalis | im lying on my bed |
| 13:58.20 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:59.00 | jch2os | anyone know what package Sys/Guestfs.pm is in? |
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| 13:59.07 | pskosinski | GranoSalis: Do you have installed pulse audio? If so easiest would be to use pavucontrol. |
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| 13:59.33 | GranoSalis | no haven't |
| 13:59.37 | GranoSalis | ho |
| 13:59.37 | joltcan | hyppias: yes, just run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and follow the steps there |
| 13:59.42 | GranoSalis | how do i install it |
| 13:59.43 | GranoSalis | ? |
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| 14:00.09 | pskosinski | jch2os: apt-file search Guestfs.pm => libguestfs-perl: /usr/lib/perl5/Sys/Guestfs.pm |
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| 14:01.28 | pskosinski | GranoSalis: Is "service --status-all" showing pulseadio on list? |
| 14:02.17 | GranoSalis | no... |
| 14:02.46 | abrotman | bluesm: what is uname -r ? |
| 14:03.55 | bluesm | abrotman: 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 14:04.24 | pskosinski | GranoSalis: Then I guess that would be better to change ALSA settings instead of install Pulse Audio, but I have no idea how to change output device in ALSA… Maybe someone else will help |
| 14:04.26 | abrotman | bluesm: you can check the version on the intel website, but you're probably pretty up to date |
| 14:04.56 | GranoSalis | i'll search later for the answer |
| 14:05.01 | GranoSalis | and thanks for your help |
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| 14:05.29 | _val_ | clear |
| 14:05.35 | _val_ | oops wrong windows. |
| 14:06.11 | _val_ | ChrisH: I've tried all ways. Some syntax work adding networks and gateways.. but this line of yours seems to contain more parameters than the route command can handle |
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| 14:07.17 | jch2os | E: Unable to locate package libguestfs-perl |
| 14:07.35 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:09.11 | deepy | What am I doing wrong? I need to access the access.log from /var/log/apache2/ on my test system |
| 14:09.18 | deepy | I tried setting it 644, permission denied |
| 14:09.26 | deepy | added myself to the adm group, permission denied |
| 14:09.59 | deepy | tried changing the folder to 644 too |
| 14:10.07 | jch2os | pskosinski - can't find that package |
| 14:10.08 | deepy | still get permission denied when I try to access it |
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| 14:10.26 | pskosinski | jch2os: Oh wait, you are on squeeze. This package is in wheezy and sid but not squeeze… |
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| 14:11.05 | jch2os | pskosinski - yeah I'm finding that too. Anyway around it? I guess I could install it through perl, but I like using packages |
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| 14:13.00 | ChrisH | _val_: route add -net XXX dev eth1.100 |
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| 14:13.48 | deepy | err sorry, I set the folder to 655 |
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| 14:15.05 | pskosinski | jch2os: Meh, I can't find good link in Wiki. But here it is described well: http://www.macfreek.nl/memory/Mixing_Stable_and_Testing_in_Debian#Use_apt_pinning_for_both_stable_and_testing |
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| 14:15.49 | pskosinski | Bot had good link, but I don't remember how to use it. :x |
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| 14:17.03 | pskosinski | Yeah, this: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences#Installing_from_unstable |
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| 14:25.07 | nickn | Can I use UEFI boot for a Debian Squeeze (not Wheezy)? |
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| 14:31.40 | _val_ | ChrisH: route add -net 192.168.100.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth1.100 |
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| 14:32.02 | _val_ | this is the syntax that is accepted but does not work |
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| 14:38.54 | ChrisH | _val_: you did successfully ping the ip from outside. after spending another few brain cycles, this means the route is there, somehow. But you cannot ping 192.168.100.11, can you? |
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| 14:45.17 | _jacks | hi, i'm having problems with my sound setup, i can play mp3s for a while then for no apparent reason it refuses to play, i looked into it and the logs say that it failed to open ALSA device "plug:dmix" device or resource busy |
| 14:45.24 | _jacks | any suggestions on how i can fix this? |
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| 14:46.41 | _jacks | im not entirely sure why its locked like this in the first place |
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| 14:51.05 | _val_ | ChrisH: exactly |
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| 14:51.49 | _val_ | Actually from .200.0/24 network I have not bee able to ping .100.0/24 network at all.. except 192.168.100.1 since this is the IP of the vlan eth1.100 |
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| 14:51.57 | petn-randall | nickn: You can boot squeeze from UEFI in CSM mode, but not in pure UEFI mode. |
| 14:52.42 | petn-randall | Hi _jacks, it sounds like some other program is access your ALSA device and blocking it for your mp3 player. |
| 14:53.00 | _jacks | petn-randall: I thought dmixer allowed multiplexing? |
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| 14:53.25 | _jacks | petn-randall: i'm pretty sure its chrome.. |
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| 14:53.58 | _jacks | petn-randall: is there anything i can do about this? |
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| 14:54.21 | nickn | petn-randall: so debian squeeze can only boot on an emulated bios |
| 14:54.33 | nickn | petn-randall: will it be possible to boot with native uefi in future? |
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| 14:55.21 | petn-randall | nickn: Last time I checked squeeze's grub2 wasn't new enough. You can boot from UEFI with wheezy though, got it running on my laptop |
| 14:55.50 | nickn | petn-randall: grub2 is responsible for native uefi booting, right? |
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| 14:57.18 | petn-randall | _jacks: I haven't looked into this too much, but does the problem go away when you're not using chrome? (Just making sure this is actually causing the problem) |
| 14:57.39 | _jacks | petn-randall: it seems to yes |
| 14:58.55 | _jacks | petn-randall: i can't imagine wanting to use two channels at the same time, but i imagine i would like to be able to switch from playing music to say watching youtube without needing to close applications |
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| 14:59.38 | petn-randall | nickn: Yes, it's in grub2 > 1.99 I think. |
| 14:59.54 | petn-randall | nickn: grub2 >= 1.99 |
| 14:59.55 | _jacks | petn-randall: i am using mpd for music with alsa dmixer but every now and then it refuses to play music in mpc |
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| 15:00.40 | petn-randall | _jacks: I haven't ran into this problem yet, but maybe pulseaudio or some other abstraction layer might help with that. |
| 15:00.59 | _jacks | petn-randall: okay thanks i'll have a look into pulseaudio |
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| 15:01.46 | petn-randall | nickn: If you really depends on squeeze, you can either try booting with CSM, or upgrade grub2 to wheezy's version (no idea if that works cleanly, though). |
| 15:01.56 | petn-randall | nickn: *depend |
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| 15:05.20 | nickn | petn-randall: when will it be available for squeeze? Or does one have to wait for wheezy, first? |
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| 15:15.44 | petn-randall | ckn: Maybe it'll become available as a backport. But since wheezy is only months away, I doubt it'll happen. |
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| 15:16.02 | petn-randall | nickn: Maybe it'll become available as a backport. But since wheezy is only months away, I doubt it'll happen. |
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| 15:17.25 | ChrisH | _val_: you need to be able to ping 192.168.100.11 before thinking of routing the .200.0/24 |
| 15:17.50 | xsaidx | hello |
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| 15:19.36 | nickn | petn-randall: wow, only months away. how many? when can one expect it? |
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| 15:23.15 | Haris | Hello all |
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| 15:23.53 | Haris | does pdns-server 2.9.21.2-1+lenny1 support SRV records ? I know it has problems with CNAME record. Usually when we add CNAME record on it, all other records go to the bin |
| 15:24.50 | Sm0ke0ut | odd, though I know you need to enable fancy-records in pdns to support some record types |
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| 15:25.20 | Sm0ke0ut | ah well. you should upgrade anyway if you can ;-) |
| 15:25.27 | jelly | Haris: you should either NOT add CNAME records for the whole domain, or learn what CNAME does. |
| 15:26.10 | Sm0ke0ut | and yeah. you can't set cnames on the root domain |
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| 15:26.45 | petn-randall | nickn: That's a tricky question, and the Debian project doesn't give any ETAs. But if you look at the curve of release-critical bugs over time and extrapolate, you will notice that it'll likely happen in the next 3-9 months. |
| 15:26.53 | ExeciN | I successfully installed wheeze on a firewire HD and I am able to boot from it (thanks to grub-efi). My HD enclosure also has a usb port but I can't boot from it (when I rely on BIOS on a different computer). Can grub-efi and grub-bios co-exist? |
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| 15:27.07 | Haris | jelly: That! .. doesn't make sense |
| 15:27.26 | jelly | Sm0ke0ut: well technically you can, but it redirects all the queries. Including NS and SOA |
| 15:27.33 | Haris | CNAME is an alias for already existing A records |
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| 15:27.46 | Haris | with bind, I can have a wildcard CNAME record too |
| 15:27.55 | jelly | Haris: nope... CNAME redirects any and all record types. |
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| 15:28.04 | Haris | redirects ? |
| 15:28.05 | GranoSalis | its me again |
| 15:28.22 | jelly | Haris: A, MX, NS, SOA, you name it, CNAME points it elsewhere. |
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| 15:28.27 | GranoSalis | how can i edit a text file as root? |
| 15:28.39 | petn-randall | ExeciN: I've heard that you can format a disk to have both GPT and MSDOS partition table. Maybe with that it's possible to make it bootable by both. |
| 15:28.44 | Haris | from Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNAME_record ) -> A CNAME record is an abbreviation for Canonical Name record and is a type of resource record in the Domain Name System (DNS) that specifies that the domain name is an alias of another, canonical domain name. Here "canonical" usually means: a more generally accepted or standard name. |
| 15:28.53 | Haris | *alias* |
| 15:28.54 | petn-randall | ExeciN: I don't know the answer, but if you find out, make sure to tell me :) |
| 15:28.57 | jelly | Haris: it's NOT just an alias, and it's not just for A. |
| 15:29.07 | Haris | yea, I agree, its not just for A |
| 15:29.32 | Haris | the Q is, why does it over-whelm all other records in the DB when its added as an alias against an A record, as a basic measure |
| 15:29.51 | jelly | Haris: what particular CNAME record, and what zone name? |
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| 15:31.03 | Haris | I'll have to dig example(s) for that |
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| 15:31.23 | Haris | I don't have that right now |
| 15:31.32 | jelly | what an apt verb to use |
| 15:32.28 | Haris | I have a customer who wants to use SRV records. Judging from my experience with CNAME records for domains, I'm confused if it works good for SRV. Just need to know it this version of pdns will serve SRV records right |
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| 15:33.09 | DebianUsr | Hello! - Can anyone guide me on how to setup wireless internet on my linux laptop? I already have a wireless network established for my windows. And when I install debian, I used the minimal install, netints binary cd. At that point, I tried to set up the network in the installation, but did not accept WPA, only WPA, so I installed wpa supplicant after wards, did all the config (That I know of) and still does not work. |
| 15:33.20 | koollman | Haris: pdns has no problem with cname records. Also, it works fine with srv records. |
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| 15:33.50 | Haris | good to know |
| 15:33.58 | koollman | Haris: the problem you may have noticed is if you use both A and CNAME with the same record name. that's not specific to pdns |
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| 15:34.21 | GranoSalis | how can i edit a text file as root?? |
| 15:34.25 | Haris | but that doesn't cause problems on bind ? |
| 15:34.56 | DebianUsr | GranoSalis: I use nano, you can use pico if you want |
| 15:35.03 | Haris | I mean I'v had 1 A record for domain-name.com and used CNAME for www.domain-name.com and it worked, with bind |
| 15:35.08 | DebianUsr | But I think pico is depreciated? |
| 15:35.14 | Haris | it is ? |
| 15:35.20 | koollman | Haris: sure. that works with pdns too. you may have a misconfiguration |
| 15:35.21 | Haris | is pico going dead ? |
| 15:35.21 | GranoSalis | DebianUsr: what? |
| 15:35.28 | Haris | cool! |
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| 15:35.32 | Towzzer | haris, make sure you have a dot at the end of any FQDN |
| 15:35.39 | Towzzer | otherwise the root domain is appended to that record |
| 15:35.45 | DebianUsr | GranoSalis: That is how you edit a text file |
| 15:35.46 | Haris | Towzzer: I was just about to ask about the dots. lol |
| 15:35.53 | Haris | thanks! |
| 15:35.55 | Haris | that's probably it |
| 15:36.05 | Towzzer | like if your domain is domain.com and you make a record |
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| 15:36.13 | Towzzer | blah A 1.1.1.1 |
| 15:36.18 | Towzzer | it's blah.domain.com |
| 15:36.29 | Towzzer | if you do blah.domain.com A 1111, it's blah.domain.com.domain.com |
| 15:36.33 | GranoSalis | DebianUsr: how do i iopen a file in nano? |
| 15:36.42 | Towzzer | nano <filename> |
| 15:36.52 | koollman | I have rather large dns servers running powerdns, I would probably have noticed a huge cname problem. I hope :) |
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| 15:37.04 | DebianUsr | GranoSalis: nano /etc/hostname <- for eample |
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| 15:38.07 | GranoSalis | nano /file/location ? |
| 15:38.16 | DebianUsr | GranoSalis: : Yes |
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| 15:38.34 | Haris | Towzzer: That's what I would have expected, the way we do it. The problem I faced was, when I added the CNAME record, it would be like all other records didn't exist for that domain after that |
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| 15:38.47 | Haris | koollman: That's good to hear |
| 15:38.48 | _val_ | ChrisH: yeah weird thing is from firewall1 I can ping e.g ping -I eth0.200 192.168.200.20 the eth0.200 on firewall1 holds 192.168.100.200 |
| 15:38.54 | GranoSalis | DebianUsr: when i type this it opens the file in my default text editor |
| 15:39.03 | jelly | Haris: again, which particular record did you add, and to which zone? |
| 15:39.03 | _val_ | but not vice versa. I can't ping .11 from dc-dc no |
| 15:39.16 | DebianUsr | GranoSalis: So what is your problem, or stop trolling |
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| 15:39.22 | Haris | I'll see if I can dig up an example |
| 15:39.26 | GranoSalis | lol |
| 15:39.34 | GranoSalis | realy im not trolling im just plain stupid |
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| 15:39.46 | GranoSalis | when it opens the file |
| 15:39.54 | GranoSalis | i cant make any changes in it |
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| 15:40.13 | jelly | GranoSalis: that's correct, you need to be root to make changes to that file. |
| 15:40.13 | Towzzer | then you don't have the proper permissions |
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| 15:40.55 | GranoSalis | jelly: i become root with su |
| 15:40.55 | GranoSalis | * |
| 15:40.56 | GranoSalis | ? |
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| 15:41.26 | _jacks | GranoSalis: i recommend a quick introduction to linux course on youtube :) |
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| 15:41.59 | GranoSalis | _jacks: i will but first i have to set uo openbox |
| 15:42.29 | GranoSalis | DebianUsr: sorry,it opened the file in nano,now how do i save it? |
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| 15:42.58 | DebianUsr | ctrl x GranoSalis |
| 15:43.01 | DebianUsr | http://www.linuxquestions.org/ |
| 15:43.17 | GranoSalis | thanks |
| 15:43.22 | DebianUsr | sure |
| 15:43.44 | jelly | GranoSalis: yes. |
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| 15:44.27 | DebianUsr | jelly; are you familiar with linux, and if so, expert? |
| 15:44.56 | abrotman | ... |
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| 15:45.20 | DebianUsr | It's a normal question abrotman |
| 15:45.38 | ChrisH | _val_: Did you reboot this dc_dc box? |
| 15:46.07 | jelly | DebianUsr: I think I can safely say I'm an expert with Linux sysadmin work, Debian in practice. |
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| 15:46.54 | jelly | s/in practice/in particular/ |
| 15:46.59 | ksuhku | linux is a kernel |
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| 15:47.12 | jelly | ksuhku: don't go there. |
| 15:47.26 | _val_ | ChrisH: no never done so. This is our gateway. It's 110km driving from here if something goes wrong and the fw does not come up :> |
| 15:48.15 | DebianUsr | jelly; oh, no offense just asking. i am not, just learning myself. i am here because the articles on the internet give me no pleasure when it comes to what i need to find out |
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| 15:48.49 | jelly | DebianUsr: a lot, maybe a majority of people answering questions here, have extensive experience |
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| 15:49.15 | nickn | What will change with UEFI boot of debian? |
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| 15:49.22 | nickn | Will boot be faster? |
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| 15:49.37 | m0ksha | Hi, I can't seem to configure my wireless interface with a static IP in /etc/network/interfaces, but using DHCP works fine. If I configure it statically with the network-manager gui that works as well, but I'd like to do it manually in the interfaces file. Can anyone help? Thanks |
| 15:50.01 | DebianUsr | jelly, oh ok. maybe you can help me if it isnt too much work? how might i setup wireless internet on my linux laptop? I already have a wireless network established for my windows. And when I install debian, I used the minimal install, netints binary cd. At that point, I tried to set up the network in the installation, but did not accept WPA, only WPA, so I installed wpa supplicant after wards, did all the config (That I know of) an |
| 15:50.27 | jelly | DebianUsr: please ask the whole channel. |
| 15:50.34 | DebianUsr | jelly, i did |
| 15:50.36 | Glus | m0ksha: please, paste your "/etc/network/interfaces" file in a pastebin. |
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| 15:50.58 | m0ksha | Glus: ok |
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| 15:52.01 | DebianUsr | lol alright here i go again, hi guys, how might i setup wireless internet on my linux laptop? I already have a wireless network established for my windows. And when I install debian, I used the minimal install, netints binary cd. At that point, I tried to set up the network in the installation, but did not accept WPA, only WPA, so I installed wpa supplicant after wards, did all the config (That I know of) and still does not work. |
| 15:52.55 | jelly | DebianUsr: the most common situation is missing firmware for the particular wifi driver and card. Type "/msg dpkg wireless" in your irc client and see what the bot suggests. |
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| 15:54.03 | ChrisH | _val_: and both are connected to the same Switch? And while you ping from outside does tcpdump show the ICMPs incoming? My "feeling" still says the VLAN setup is not ok |
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| 15:55.21 | m0ksha | Glus: http://pastebin.com/vH4A8vtb |
| 15:55.52 | DebianUsr | Ok I think I might have gotten it, but refufes to ping, host unreachable so it might not be working properly. but ifconfig displays otherwise .. hmm |
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| 15:59.24 | Glus | m0ksha: any interesting messages in /var/log/wpa_supplicant.wlan0.log? |
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| 16:00.18 | babilen | DebianUsr: Please also note that only the wheezy and the kmuto installer support WPA connections. (cf. <install wheezy> <firmware images wheezy> and <kmuto>) -- Which wireless adaptor do you have? (lspci -nn|grep -i network) |
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| 16:01.47 | Glus | m0ksha: also, what's the output of: "ifup wlan0"? does bringing the interface up manually work? |
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| 16:04.53 | DebianUsr | babilen: , sorry. wasnt here. -nn: command not found |
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| 16:06.23 | babilen | DebianUsr: The command is "lspci -nn|grep -i network" |
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| 16:07.25 | DebianUsr | i misread pardon me |
| 16:08.29 | _val_ | ChrisH: fw1 has eth0.200 vlan configured as 192.168.100.20 which I don't see how it's using 192.168.100.11 as it's gw |
| 16:08.51 | DebianUsr | babilen: Intel Corporation PRO/Wirless 2200BG [Calexico2], which is ipw2200, I put it in the system already |
| 16:09.02 | _val_ | ChrisH: http://dpaste.org/fuCrz/ |
| 16:09.13 | _val_ | this is the traceroute to the 200.0/24 network from fw1 |
| 16:09.27 | ChrisH | _val_: I would expect the from ip route get 192.168.x00.33 replace x with 1 or 2 otr whatever :) |
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| 16:10.22 | _val_ | ChrisH: |
| 16:10.22 | _val_ | root@firewall-1:~# ip route get 192.168.100.11 |
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| 16:10.34 | _val_ | 192.168.100.11 dev eth0.200 src 192.168.100.20 cache mtu 1500 advmss 1460 hoplimit 64 |
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| 16:11.11 | johnfg | just did an update, and now have a few problems on squeeze. |
| 16:11.17 | ChrisH | _val_: and there we hace that route visible. This is missing on the dc_dc |
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| 16:11.42 | _val_ | ChrisH: and from dc-dc http://dpaste.org/GgsP3/ |
| 16:11.51 | johnfg | One: I usually bring up an urxvt terminal by doing Alt-F2, but now, after a reboot it doesn't work. |
| 16:12.54 | babilen | DebianUsr: That is /not/ the output of the command I gave you -- Did you install the firmware for that adaptor, did you reload the module or rebooted after doing so? Which version of Debian do you use? Which kernel? Which PCIID does your adaptor have? |
| 16:12.57 | _val_ | ChrisH: via 77..? this is an external address.. |
| 16:13.05 | _val_ | s/external/public |
| 16:13.43 | ChrisH | _val_: dev eth0.200 vs. dev eth0.200 I repeat, to me it looks like the VLAN is not setup properly. BTW, are firewall-1 and dc_dc connected to the same switch? |
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| 16:14.29 | DebianUsr | babilen: output? 06:06.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network connection [8086:4220] (rev 05). and also debian squeeze 6.0.6 |
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| 16:15.00 | _val_ | ChrisH: no, these fw's are seperated from each other in a global way |
| 16:15.22 | _val_ | fw1 and fw3 are within the same location where fw2 is 110km away. |
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| 16:15.47 | johnfg | also, there was a message (which I'm not sure where it was logged), prior to gdm showing the login, about ICE authority (I think). |
| 16:15.48 | ChrisH | _val_: and you are sure the switch port setup is ok? |
| 16:15.56 | phaedral | Double-checking: If I apt-get my way to a lamp-drupal setup, I need to tweek mod_rewrite manually? |
| 16:15.57 | johnfg | Any idea what's wrong or what happened? |
| 16:16.12 | phaedral | On wheezy... |
| 16:16.14 | johnfg | I don't find that msg in dmesg, messages, or syslog. |
| 16:16.25 | johnfg | on squeeze, if I didn't say, sorry. |
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| 16:16.56 | _val_ | Chris it probably is.. since I can ping the fw2 from every location but not vice versa |
| 16:17.24 | ChibaPet | Alright, a question... For some reason /dev/MAKEDEV is a link to /bin/true. Seems like it might be more useful for it to be a shell script that describes how new device nodes are to be made nowadays. What is the recommended mechanism? |
| 16:17.25 | _val_ | fw2 is pingable from fw1, fw3. fw1 and fw3 are not pingable from fw2 |
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| 16:18.29 | DebianUsr | babilen: PCIID? |
| 16:18.30 | ksk | ChibaPet: i could guess this has something to do with udev!? |
| 16:18.37 | ChibaPet | _val_: Do you have a corrupted arp cache? |
| 16:18.42 | jelly | ChibaPet: the recommended mechanism is "udev does it for you" |
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| 16:19.19 | babilen | DebianUsr: And you do have firmware-ipw2x00 installed? Could you paste the output of "dpkg -l firmware-ipw2x00 | tail -n1", "modprobe -r ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200 ; dmesg|tail -n23" and that of "ifconfig -a" and "iwconfig" to http://paste.debian.net ? Please also run "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" and let me know if you can scan for networks. |
| 16:19.20 | ChrisH | _val_: 1. Did you confirm using tcpdump its fw2 answering to fw1,fw3? 2. Sure not duplictae IP somewhere? |
| 16:19.26 | ChibaPet | jelly: Odd, when I say "ls /dev/loop9" it says "No such file or directory". |
| 16:19.39 | _val_ | ChibaPet: Hmm I could check something to see if that's corrupted |
| 16:19.40 | jelly | ChibaPet: but you ought to have /dev/MAKEDEV -> /sbin/MAKEDEV not -> /bin/true |
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| 16:20.05 | ChrisH | _val_: flush arp table? |
| 16:20.14 | ChibaPet | It's definitely /dev/MAKEDEV -> /bin/true - Squeeze. |
| 16:20.28 | ChibaPet | Same on a Wheezy box I just checked. |
| 16:20.34 | jelly | ChibaPet: modprobe -r loop && modprobe loop max_loop=10 or more |
| 16:20.35 | jhutchins_wk | Is there a way to query usernames > 500 (non-system accounts)? |
| 16:21.11 | jelly | ChibaPet: I have the correct symlink on a random wheezy and a random squeeze box |
| 16:21.15 | ChibaPet | jelly: The docs show the kernel supporting... I think it was a default of 255 loop devices, but I might be wrong. Definitely more than the eight there by default. |
| 16:21.17 | babilen | DebianUsr: Please also elaborate on /what exactly/ doesn't work. How are you configuring your network? How are you trying to connect? |
| 16:21.47 | ChibaPet | jelly: Don't know what to say. I'm seeing the same symlink across our infrastructure, every box I'm checking. |
| 16:22.29 | ChibaPet | will modprobe interact with udev to make more device nodes? trying it |
| 16:22.36 | DebianUsr | babilen: give me some time please. I am going back and forth between computers typing, I will let you know the outcome |
| 16:22.55 | jelly | ChibaPet: what happens if you try creating loop9 with losetup anyway? |
| 16:22.56 | babilen | DebianUsr: You mean that you cannot paste from the box we are debugging? |
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| 16:23.08 | ChibaPet | losetup - don't know, didn't know about losetup |
| 16:23.21 | _val_ | ChrisH: pretty weird. on fw1 I did tcpdump -vvvi eth1 which holds IP 192.168.200.20 I then pinged it from fw1 which but won't show anything. |
| 16:23.27 | johnfg | Any reason you can think of why my Alt-Function keys don't work? |
| 16:23.32 | ChibaPet | I've been evidently getting losetup for free from /etc/fstab. :P |
| 16:23.35 | jelly | ChibaPet: huh, that's the canonical tool to use when creating loopback devices |
| 16:23.40 | _val_ | It does ping but tcpdump does not show anything. I also can connect to the fe2 using ssh |
| 16:23.48 | ChibaPet | jelly: I believe you. Just wasn't aware of it. |
| 16:24.04 | johnfg | And, do we have rc.conf or its equivalent? |
| 16:24.04 | jelly | right, mount option loop does it for you |
| 16:24.05 | DebianUsr | No babilen. Its a laptop, and a desktop |
| 16:24.08 | ChibaPet | jelly: Setting the "loop" option in /etc/fstab evidently invokes it automatically. |
| 16:24.08 | ChrisH | _val_: tcpdump -i eth1.x00 |
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| 16:24.37 | ChibaPet | jelly: And by hand I've been specifying the loop option to mount directly, as needed for testing. |
| 16:24.39 | DammitJim | is there an easy to install plugin for vim to do autocomplete for python in debian? or is this specific to VIM? |
| 16:24.44 | _val_ | ChrisH: I shut the thing down.. the eth1.100 vlan interface on fw2 |
| 16:25.13 | babilen | DebianUsr: So you can not paste the output of commands I tell you? |
| 16:25.34 | DebianUsr | babilen: no I cannot, but I am copying itm anually from screen to this screen |
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| 16:25.37 | babilen | DebianUsr: That is: Not without copying it to the other computer with a removable medium or something similar? |
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| 16:25.45 | _val_ | ChrisH: http://dpaste.org/OhYBu/ |
| 16:25.55 | ChibaPet | jelly: I'll play around with it. Maybe if I pretend there are infinite loop devices, losetup will do the right thing magically. I'll tell you how it goes - will know in a moment. |
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| 16:26.18 | babilen | DebianUsr: Well, in that case: Answer my questions: Is the firmware package installed? How are you trying to use the network? What exactly doesn't work (see above for the rest) |
| 16:26.20 | johnfg | DammitJim, Just go to vim.org, click on scripts, then search for one. I'm pretty sure I saw one there. |
| 16:26.39 | DammitJim | johnfg, so this is no good? |
| 16:27.16 | DebianUsr | babilen: I am going to pastebin everything shortly. |
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| 16:27.51 | johnfg | DammitJim, I don't understand your question? |
| 16:27.56 | ChrisH | _val_: does that prove my feelings? |
| 16:28.18 | ChibaPet | Hm, no, it wants the device to already exist: "mount: could not find any free loop device" |
| 16:28.25 | ChibaPet | I guess I'll just dig around a bit. |
| 16:28.44 | _val_ | ChrisH: I think there is something messed up pretty bad |
| 16:28.54 | DammitJim | johnfg, I thought one had to download a plugin, but on that page, they just say to enable autocmd in .vimrc |
| 16:28.59 | DammitJim | I'll go to the vim channel... sorry |
| 16:29.02 | zykotick9 | ChibaPet: you might want to see this, same error, it one of the first results i've checked http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/red-hat-31/how-to-increase-the-loop-devices-number-541717/ |
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| 16:29.07 | DrZaius | jhutchins_wk: not perfect but-> for i in $(cut -d: -f 3 /etc/passwd); do if [ $i -gt 500 ]; then grep $i /etc/passwd; fi; done |
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| 16:30.17 | ChibaPet | Ah, I don't have MAKEDEV, but I've still got mknod. I guess I'll do it with that. |
| 16:30.29 | ChibaPet | zykotick9: Thanks, reading it now. |
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| 16:31.20 | gypsymauro | doh.. I done something very weird... I done an apt-get install libc6 on an amd64 wheezy, now I can't run any command :( |
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| 16:31.42 | gypsymauro | ls |
| 16:31.44 | gypsymauro | ls: error while loading shared libraries: libselinux.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:31.50 | jhutchins_wk | DrZaius: Thx, I did cat /etc/passwd |grep 6[0-9][0-9][0-9] |cut -d: -f1 | sort |
| 16:32.01 | johnfg | DammitJim, When I did what I told you on the vim.org page, it returned 403 results! Should be something there you can use. |
| 16:32.02 | jhutchins_wk | Can also grep for /bin/bash or for /home if that applies. |
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| 16:32.59 | johnfg | I don't do python, so can't answer about it, but do use the latex stuff in vim. It shouldn't be too hard for you to figure out. |
| 16:32.59 | Glus | Another way: awk -F':' '{ if ( $3 >= 500 ) print $1}' /etc/passwd |
| 16:32.59 | DammitJim | johnfg, no need for a plugin.... vim does it by default... I just didn't know I needed to use Ctrl + N |
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| 16:33.43 | Glus | Be aware that the number may not be 500. |
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| 16:34.15 | johnfg | glad you got it. |
| 16:34.26 | DrZaius | damn you awk!! always giving more streamlined solutions |
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| 16:34.44 | _val_ | Glus: maybe just awk -F: '$3 <= 500' /etc/passwd |
| 16:34.56 | _val_ | but anyways.. I think I should not interfere to that. |
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| 16:35.12 | _val_ | ehm $3 >= 500. |
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| 16:35.35 | Glus | _val_: that would print the whole line instead of just the username. |
| 16:35.48 | _val_ | ChrisH: I appreciate your help! Thank you very much. I'll have to figure out myself how the physical layer is set up |
| 16:36.20 | ChrisH | _val_: YW. I would like to get some feedback.BTW Where are you located? |
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| 16:37.06 | _val_ | ChrisH: Holland(The Netherlands) The rainy holland :> |
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| 16:37.30 | ChrisH | _val_: OK.. Germany, western part |
| 16:37.33 | dennisvb | Hi, I got an error when starting up my laptop. It said something about missing firmware, but it was too quick to read. I think it's about wireless because that does not work yet. |
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| 16:37.51 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell dennisvb about firmware |
| 16:38.10 | _val_ | ChrisH: danke sehr fur deine zeit :) |
| 16:38.32 | _val_ | Tomorrow I'll give some feedback about the progress (if) |
| 16:38.33 | dennisvb | ChrisH, How can I see what firmware I am missing? A boot log or something? |
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| 16:38.58 | ChrisH | dennisvb: get in touch with the bot, he should be able to help you. If not ask again. There are two main packages with firmware in name, install them and reboot |
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| 16:39.12 | gypsymauro | if I export manually LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ works again... |
| 16:39.15 | gypsymauro | any hint ? |
| 16:39.16 | zykotick9 | dennisvb: "dmesg | grep firmware" will probably show you |
| 16:39.46 | dennisvb | zykotick9, Yes, thanks. |
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| 16:40.46 | dennisvb | zykotick9, I will see if I see the message again now, hope I fixed it ;) |
| 16:40.51 | jhutchins_wk | gypsymauro: You installed this on a stable system from official stable packages? |
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| 16:42.07 | dennisvb | zykotick9, yes! fixed :) |
| 16:42.21 | dennisvb | One more question, how can I skip the GRUB screen at start up? |
| 16:42.58 | zykotick9 | dennisvb: /etc/default/grub is the file you want to play with. don't forget update-grub after making any changes. |
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| 16:44.36 | gypsymauro | jhutchins_wk: I done that on wheezy |
| 16:44.37 | dennisvb | zykotick9, I think I found it, thanks! |
| 16:44.48 | jelly | !tell gypsymauro about bat |
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| 16:45.29 | jelly | gypsymauro: at the very least, show the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy libc6" |
| 16:45.43 | dennisvb | zykotick9, Thanks, worked. I just set the timeout to 0 seconds. |
| 16:46.02 | dennisvb | Last one, How can I skip the login prompt and just auto-login with lightdm? |
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| 16:46.54 | jhutchins_wk | dennisvb: That's not good if you ever have a problem. |
| 16:46.58 | zykotick9 | dennisvb: consider not using auto-login is my suggestion ;) good luck. |
| 16:47.27 | dennisvb | jhutchins_wk, Maybe I will set it to 1 ;) |
| 16:47.32 | dennisvb | zykotick9, Why? |
| 16:48.16 | zykotick9 | dennisvb: it's your machine, do what you want with it ;) i'm not going to explain why i think auto-login is a bad idea... too long ;) |
| 16:48.35 | dennisvb | zykotick9, haha ok. Well I will look on the internet. |
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| 16:49.17 | gypsymauro | it seems that dpkg -r libc6-i686:i386 solved the problem |
| 16:49.19 | DebianUsr | oh my goodness babilen; here you go lol. sorry i am a slooow typer |
| 16:49.24 | DebianUsr | babilen: http://pastebin.com/ELHEJ27q |
| 16:49.41 | gypsymauro | definitely worked, now ls works :) |
| 16:50.47 | bleutyler | Is there perchance an admin of forums.debian.net online in here? I registered for that site with the incorrect email address |
| 16:51.06 | bleutyler | so I cannot authenticate/activate my new user registration :( |
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| 16:52.04 | dennisvb | My laptop boots really fast now :) |
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| 16:53.15 | dennisvb | When I reboot all the programs I had running return, how can I turn that off? |
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| 16:54.16 | babilen | DebianUsr: You kill switch is on. Install rfkill and run "rfkill list" and then "rfkill unblock all" -- You might also have a hardware kill-switch on that machine that you have to flip. It looks as if your wireless interface is called eth1 -- try scanning with that, but solve the kill switch situation first. |
| 16:54.22 | babilen | *Your kill switch |
| 16:54.46 | zykotick9 | dennisvb: you should state what DE you are using. i can't help - i have no idea on any of them. |
| 16:54.58 | dennisvb | I am using xfce |
| 16:55.00 | babilen | DebianUsr: And really, you don't have to type that /manually/. |
| 16:56.09 | DebianUsr | babilen: How do you mean? I don't? You asked me to. |
| 16:56.21 | DebianUsr | babilen: the more you know, the more I do ? |
| 16:56.24 | zykotick9 | dennisvb: check for a "setting manager" and an option like "save session on logout" |
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| 16:57.21 | babilen | DebianUsr: Well, I asked you to show me the output. I realised that pasting this information might be tricky and asked you to /not/ type it, but simply answer my question. (At that point I assumed that you create a text file with the output of copy that per USB stick or something, little did I know that you would actually type it) |
| 16:57.31 | DebianUsr | babilen: I can't install rfkill, unable to get on the internet. |
| 16:57.33 | babilen | dpkg: tell DebianUsr -about rfkill |
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| 16:58.32 | babilen | DebianUsr: You can download it from http://packages.debian.org and install it manually (with "dpkg -i rfkill*.deb") -- But please also check if you actually do have a hardware switch that enables/disables your wireless. |
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| 16:59.03 | babilen | DebianUsr: How are you trying to configure your wireless btw? Are you using network-manager or did you configure it in /etc/network/interfaces (or something else) ? |
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| 16:59.51 | DebianUsr | babilen: : All through command line, I have no GUI on that machine, since I did the debian netinst minimal cd. and also /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:01.24 | babilen | DebianUsr: Sounds like an unfortunate situation. Can't you connect via ethernet? Or why don't you use an installer that can actually connect to a wireless network? Is this for your personal machine? What will you use that machine for? Do you plan to install a desktop environment? |
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| 17:02.52 | DebianUsr | I don't wish to install a desktop enviorment because I want to learn and doing a desktop environment will make me lazy like windows did |
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| 17:03.14 | DebianUsr | Also, I did try to connect in the installation, but did not accept WPA, only WEP |
| 17:03.49 | DebianUsr | So I had to configure it later.. my bad. |
| 17:04.46 | dennisvb | I was trying to use my wireless network, but I get this message: sudo ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 17:04.46 | dennisvb | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-kill |
| 17:05.23 | zykotick9 | DebianUsr: i take it you tried squeeze install? you might consider trying the RC1 for wheezy instead (it for example supports WPA during install, and if you wireless is supported - it'll be configured when you boot up the installed os)... just a thought |
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| 17:06.21 | DebianUsr | zykotick9: yes i have squeeze installed right now on the system. if i do wheezy, everything will be outdated yes? |
| 17:06.28 | zykotick9 | DebianUsr: BUT, stable/wheezy is the BEST suggestion for new users... |
| 17:06.53 | zykotick9 | DebianUsr: outdated? wheezy is currently testing (newer packages) |
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| 17:08.04 | zykotick9 | DebianUsr: SORRY - i ment stable/squeeze is the BEST suggestion. NOT wheezy, wheezy isn't such a good suggestion! |
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| 17:08.28 | current_ | dennisvb>: try man rfkill |
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| 17:09.13 | jnewt | i'm trying to follow directions to generate a libpng library, an it's not going so well. i've downloaded the dependencies, and ./configure and make are successful, but i'm needing a file called libpng.so.14.8.0 which i have another app that depends on this. anyone know anything about libpng that could help? |
| 17:09.52 | somiaj | jnewt: sounds like it is looking for a very paticular version of the libary. |
| 17:09.54 | dennisvb | current_, Now I remember about rfkill, had used it before. Thanks, it worked :). |
| 17:09.58 | DebianUsr | zykotick9: i am using squeeze i think? |
| 17:10.00 | somiaj | jnewt: lets take a step back, what are you trying to compile and why? |
| 17:10.14 | somiaj | jnewt: also what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:10.33 | DebianUsr | babilen: ; I really didnt even notice your last message, my apologies. |
| 17:10.43 | jnewt | smiaj: i'm trying to compile eagle version 6.2.0, because our other windows clients and our license is for that version. |
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| 17:11.21 | somiaj | ,versions eagle |
| 17:11.22 | judd | Package: eagle on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 4.16r2-2; squeeze/non-free: 5.10.0-2; sid/non-free: 5.12.0-3; wheezy/non-free: 5.12.0-3; experimental/non-free: 6.4.0-1 |
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| 17:11.29 | DebianUsr | babilen: I do have a switch to turn it on and off. but when its on, it lights up blue, if not, it doesnt, and it does not turn blue. |
| 17:12.03 | somiaj | jnewt: what version of debian are you running? Would trying to compile the source package from experimental (6.4) work for you? |
| 17:12.06 | jnewt | judd: yeah, i need 6.2.0 to be safe. we've not upgraded / tested 6.4.0-1 |
| 17:12.26 | somiaj | jnewt: judd is just a bot. Anyways, you are running squeeze correct? |
| 17:12.27 | zykotick9 | DebianUsr: yes, and that's is the best suggestion for new users. BUT, i'm making the <not really suggested> suggestion of using wheezy's RC1 installer instead. which has support for more hardware, and WPA during install. but using "testing", which wheezy currently is NOT the "recommended" thing for new users. sorry i was unclear before. best of luck with debian, whichever you choose to continue with ;) you should be able to get squeeze wo |
| 17:12.27 | jhutchins_wk | jnewt: Now's your chance! |
| 17:12.28 | jnewt | somiaj: Linux debian1 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 09:49:36 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:12.35 | somiaj | ,version libpng |
| 17:12.36 | judd | No package named 'libpng' was found in i386. |
| 17:12.42 | jnewt | jhutchins_wk, ?? |
| 17:12.49 | somiaj | ,version libpng12-0 |
| 17:12.51 | judd | Package: libpng12-0 on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.27-2+lenny5; lenny-security: 1.2.27-2+lenny5; squeeze: 1.2.44-1+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 1.2.44-1+squeeze4; wheezy: 1.2.49-1; sid: 1.2.49-3 |
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| 17:14.39 | somiaj | jnewt: seems it is looking for a strange version of libpng, and I don't know why (As I am unfamilar with the source) |
| 17:15.16 | jnewt | am i correct that libpng14.so.14.8.0 is actually version 1.4.8-0 ? the filename to version is strange to me, for a while i though it was version 14, but now, especially after seeing that, i'm almost sure it's 1.4.8-0 |
| 17:15.19 | somiaj | jnewt: but you have done say 'apt-get build-dep eagle' and then when your run ./configure what is the exact error you get. |
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| 17:16.02 | somiaj | jnewt: yea it is a strange file name, and it appears not the standard that debian writes it in. Also debian seems to only have libpng12 and libpng3 (so version 1.2 or version 3 but no 1.4 that I saw) |
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| 17:16.19 | jnewt | somiaj: i don't do ./configure on eagle, it's an installer, so i do sh eagle.run or whatever the name is. |
| 17:16.23 | jnewt | error 1min |
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| 17:17.06 | somiaj | jnewt: oh this sounds like even a bigger issue, it sounds like you got a precompiled binary. Where did you get said installer? What os was it made for? |
| 17:17.09 | jnewt | /tmp/eagle-setup.8489/eagle-6.2.0/bin/eagle: error while loading shared libraries: libpng14.so.14: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:17.30 | jnewt | now libpng14so.14 is supposed to be ln 'd to the filename i pastad before |
| 17:17.54 | jnewt | but i don't have the file to create the link to. |
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| 17:18.00 | somiaj | jnewt: So what you could od is check to see if they provided you with that shard object. find /tmp/eagle-setup.8489/ (see if there is a libpng14.so.14 in there somewhere you just need to put in your libary path) |
| 17:18.22 | musashi | I need to install android bundle sdk and I am using wheezy 64bits I need to instal ia32libs I have read the option of multiarch and when I add i386 with dpkg and I run update and try to install libia32 apt asks me to install around 180mb of libraries and I am afraid of broken things, what do you think? |
| 17:18.24 | somiaj | jnewt: no it sounds like you got a precompiled binary that most likely was not made for a debian system and I doubt this will work for you |
| 17:18.25 | musashi | I need to install android bundle sdk and I am using wheezy 64bits I need to instal ia32libs I have read the option of multiarch and when I add i386 with dpkg and I run update and try to install libia32 apt asks me to install around 180mb of libraries and I am afraid of broken things, what do you think? |
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| 17:18.33 | musashi | I need to install android bundle sdk and I am using wheezy 64bits I need to instal ia32libs I have read the option of multiarch and when I add i386 with dpkg and I run update and try to install libia32 apt asks me to install around 180mb of libraries and I am afraid of broken things, what do you think? |
| 17:18.49 | jnewt | somiaj: they don't. i had to compile libjpeg and another ssl one, and then set an environmental var to point to the directory i put them all in. |
| 17:18.55 | wulllst | hi there. i just tried to have a look at my apt sources in /etc/apt/sources.list.d. but there is no file in there. and this seems strange because i've installed packages from squeeze-backports in the past (with aptitude on the command line as i usually do.). |
| 17:19.10 | somiaj | jnewt: you probabaly need to compile your own binary (so get the source code). You can look at the what debian had to do to get 6.4.0 working and I'd assume you could do something similar with 6.2.0 |
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| 17:19.35 | zykotick9 | wulllst: you sould probably see backports in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:19.38 | somiaj | jnewt: well either way this sounds like a support question for the people who made that precompiled binary for you. |
| 17:20.10 | wulllst | zykotik9: ok. |
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| 17:20.43 | wulllst | i see, i created a sources.list file in /etc/apt... |
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| 17:21.06 | somiaj | jnewt: but I would suggest looking at the debian source package and see what sort of things they had to do to get eagle to work in debian, and then mirror it for the version you want. |
| 17:21.36 | zykotick9 | wulllst: well, typically the install puts that file there... |
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| 17:22.00 | jnewt | somiaj: i already installed 6.4.0, and it didn't even need the libpng . i e-mailed support, and they said to upgraded all our other installs to 6.4.0. that ain't hapening, i'll have to ditch linux for windows first (which i don't want to do)...so basically i'm up a creek |
| 17:22.31 | freemind | hello mates, just installed squeeze 64bit on a 6tb hardware raid. used gpt-partition table and the install succeeded fine - but grub gives me "error: invalid arch independent ELF magic" - reinstalling grub succeeded but the error is still there. the bios_grub partition is 2MB. any ideas? |
| 17:22.33 | babilen | DebianUsr: Okay, I would recommend the following: Download the wheezy netinstaller with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware image wheezy) and connect to your network /during/ the installation. The wheezy installer is capable of connecting to WPA encrypted networks and will install a newer version of Debian than squeeze. (wheezy is the currently frozen testing branch that is expected to be released soon) |
| 17:22.47 | jnewt | somiaj: that sounds good in theory, but i'm pretty sure it's beyond my brainpower. |
| 17:22.51 | somiaj | jnewt: another option to test. '/msg dpkg ssbp' and follow that instructions and see if you can backport eagle 6.4.0 from experimential. If this works then you should be able to get 6.2.0 to work in a similar way. I just checked snapshot.debian.org seems you could get 6.3.0 but no 6.2.0 that way so you have a modified thing for debians setup. |
| 17:23.44 | somiaj | jnewt: where are you getting the 6.2.0 version? |
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| 17:24.00 | wulllst | i'm trying to list all packages that i installed from squeeze-backports. i had a look into the aptitude man page, but found that quite big and confusing. could anyone give me an easy idea? |
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| 17:24.21 | babilen | DebianUsr: I would /also/ recommend to install a Desktop Environment and I would recommend to check if you like Gnome3 (see http://www.gnome.org for details) or XFCE4 (cf. http://ww.xfce.org) or another (LXDE, KDE, ...) -- I would probably go with XFCE and you can read "/msg dpkg install xfce4" for installation instructions. (you /have/ to select it in the boot loader of the installer) |
| 17:24.33 | jnewt | somiaj: they sent it to me |
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| 17:24.36 | jnewt | cadsoft |
| 17:24.42 | somiaj | jnewt: so the 6.4.0 from their site works fine, but the 6.2.0 doesn't? |
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| 17:25.10 | babilen | DebianUsr: This procedure will make a couple of things easier: First and foremost you will have a working network connection from the start. That is that I assume that you can actually turn the hardware switch for wireless to "ON" ... |
| 17:25.30 | zykotick9 | !tell wulllst about bdo list |
| 17:25.35 | jnewt | correct, but 6.4.0 is problematic because if i open / use our files in 6.4.0, they then have errors if anyone opens them with 6.2.0 |
| 17:25.38 | DebianUsr | babilen: Thank you. I just want to be updated so if I ever need help you all can be here still |
| 17:25.39 | DebianUsr | :) |
| 17:25.40 | babilen | DebianUsr: I also wouldn't mind about getting lazy, you can still work on the command line, but nobody really wants to not do that in X. |
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| 17:26.15 | jnewt | somiaj: yeah, seems they've packed some of the code from the libs into the binary or possibly removed a dependency |
| 17:26.44 | ChibaPet | zykotick9 and jelly: fwiw, saying "loop max_loop=foo" in /etc/modules is evidently noted by udev start-up scripts, and causes the device files to be created appropriately. |
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| 17:26.59 | ChibaPet | I'm guessing mknod would have worked too, but this seems a little more civilized. |
| 17:27.04 | babilen | DebianUsr: All that being said: It looks as if all you have to do right now is to turn the hardware kill switch to "On" so that you have wireless. You might have to install rfkill and run "rfkill unblock all" if you /also/ have a software kill switch. After that you should be able to use your wireless and you should be able to configure it as detailed in http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
| 17:27.05 | somiaj | jnewt: did you try that find command I suggested and see if they provide you with that libpng shared object and it just needs to be put in your libary path? |
| 17:27.19 | jnewt | somiaj: yeah, it's not there. |
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| 17:27.26 | DebianUsr | Thanks for that doc |
| 17:27.32 | DebianUsr | Appreciated! |
| 17:27.34 | babilen | DebianUsr: My recommendation would still be to simply install wheezy with XFCE4 or Gnome (whichever you like best) and to configure the network during the installation. |
| 17:27.43 | jnewt | somiaj, you're talking about in the temp directory the binary makes right? |
| 17:27.43 | TuxFighter | Hi I got problem get my RTL8187L stick running |
| 17:27.43 | zykotick9 | ChibaPet: thanks. |
| 17:27.54 | TuxFighter | should this work with the kernel stock driver ? |
| 17:27.55 | babilen | DebianUsr: But feel free to play :) |
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| 17:28.51 | babilen | DebianUsr: See also http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 for further information about your wireless adaptor and its configuration (you've done this already) |
| 17:29.04 | jelly | ChibaPet: mknod would have created the entry, but the underlying driver still would have the default limit |
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| 17:29.31 | ChibaPet | Oddly, I'd read somewhere that there was a reasonably high limit baked into the kernel. |
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| 17:29.50 | ignotus | hi, I installed a second hdd and I want to boot from it (/dev/sdb1), but grub always finds the first one. I installed the mbr into sdb1, the bios boots to that drive, then root still gets mounted from sda1 |
| 17:29.54 | somiaj | jnewt: yea well https://www.element14.com/community/message/41331 seems to have instructions on how to obtain that libary on ubuntu |
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| 17:30.07 | babilen | DebianUsr: And it seems to be normal that the wireless interface is called "eth1" as opposed to "wlan0" -- You should (once you've taken care of the pesky kill switch) therefore be able to scan for networks by running "ifconfig eth1 up ; iwlist eth1 scan" (as opposed to the command with wlan0 I gave you earlier) |
| 17:30.07 | somiaj | jnewt: looks like you need libpng14 but that package never made it into debian |
| 17:31.15 | somiaj | jnewt: http://sourceforge.net/projects/libpng/files/libpng14/ seems you can get libpng14 there too |
| 17:31.31 | ChibaPet | Anyway, "working and comprehensible" is sufficient win for now. :) |
| 17:31.36 | somiaj | jnewt: note just be careful and keep track what you install (This should go into /usr/local so it doens't mess with dpkg) |
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| 17:31.52 | DebianUsr | babilen: Youve been most helpful! Thank you very much |
| 17:32.10 | jnewt | ftp://ftp.cadsoft.de/eagle/program/6.2/eagle-lin-6.2.0.run that's the one i've got |
| 17:32.22 | DebianUsr | msg dpkg firmware image wheezy |
| 17:32.28 | DebianUsr | oops |
| 17:32.31 | DebianUsr | ack |
| 17:32.37 | babilen | hands DebianUsr a / |
| 17:32.42 | babilen | :) |
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| 17:33.03 | DebianUsr | Well that wasnt very cool of dpkg. no idea he says |
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| 17:33.18 | babilen | DebianUsr: And it is "firmware images wheezy" as opposed to "firmware image wheezy" |
| 17:33.29 | DebianUsr | Ah wonderful :) |
| 17:33.30 | somiaj | jnewt: yea seems like that is why they changed it in 6.4, not many distros came with libpng14 nativally. You will have to get that libary (and maybe another one). The two links I gave you can help with that |
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| 17:34.07 | babilen | (sorry for the typo earlier) |
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| 17:35.09 | jnewt | somiaj: i have the source for the libpng library. but i try to build it, and i don't get the file they expect. i don't really understand exactly what i do get. |
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| 17:40.21 | jnewt | somiaj: when you make a library, what is the normal way to tell what file is actually the "made" library? |
| 17:41.00 | somiaj | jnewt: well the problem is that premade binary is compiled against a fairly paticular version of libpng14, so I think you just need to make sure you have the correct version. What did you do to compile/install the libpng libary? |
| 17:41.24 | TuxFighter | Hi I got problem get my RTL8187L stick running, wlan0 is listed in ifcofig but I can´t get a connection my router |
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| 17:42.06 | somiaj | TuxFighter: 1) do you have the firmware installed? 2) do you have wpasupplicant installed (needed for wpa networks). 3) what tool are you using to connect to your wireless router (i.e. networkmanager, cli, etc) |
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| 17:44.38 | jnewt | somiaj: i went to ftp.simplesystems.org and wget the directory with the source, the wen iton that folder, and did ./configure, where i had to get a few dependecies, then it succeeded, then make, and it succeeded. that's it, idk what else there is to it? |
| 17:45.29 | somiaj | jnewt: 'make install' will put the files in /usr/local (so /usr/local/lib) -- What version of libpng14 did you download? |
| 17:45.42 | somiaj | jnewt: note a tool like stow will make manging /usr/local installs easier |
| 17:46.44 | jnewt | i got 1.4.8, just like it asked |
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| 17:47.16 | somiaj | jnewt: well 'make install' should put all the libs in /usr/local/lib and then 'ls -l /usr/local/lib' you should see those various libpng so |
| 17:47.54 | jnewt | ok ima try that. |
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| 17:52.36 | jnewt | somiaj: well i'll be, there it is. that was easy. |
| 17:52.38 | jnewt | :) |
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| 17:53.32 | somiaj | jnewt: yea the compling made the libaries but kept them in your source dir. The install script copies them into place and then makes any links. Note pay attention to what files this installed as this is outside of apt and now you have to manually manage said things |
| 17:54.48 | jnewt | well there was about a dozen files placed into /usr/local/lib, i was planning on pulling the one i needed into the eagle install dir (as it directs me to), and delete the rest |
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| 17:55.16 | TuxFighter | Hi somiaja I am using network manager under xfce |
| 17:55.23 | TuxFighter | its a very basic system |
| 17:55.25 | jnewt | i will say, it didn't put those files into the source directory when just running make, i looked at every file. |
| 17:55.30 | somiaj | jnewt: aren't most of them links, might as well just leave them there as it could be the libaries depend on the other things |
| 17:55.47 | somiaj | jnewt: they were there, just maybe not named the same |
| 17:56.00 | somiaj | TuxFighter: well 'dmesg | grep firmware' do you see an error about missing firmware |
| 17:56.21 | somiaj | TuxFighter: 'dpkg -l | grep wpasupplicant' do you have that package installed. |
| 17:56.27 | jnewt | somiaj, there are 5 links, and the rest are files. the one i need is a file, not a link |
| 17:56.39 | DebianUsr | babilen: Something is very wrong: Wheezy failed at installation to setup the network. It keeps saying Failure of key exchange and association. The exchange of keys and association with the access point failed. Please check the WPA/WPA2 paramaters you provided. /But/ my input is correct, double checked it 5 times. |
| 17:57.04 | somiaj | jnewt: well it could be that one file you need depends on the other files it installed. I personally would just keep things in /usr/local. and then use stow or something else to manage it. (not just clober out what I needed) |
| 17:58.25 | TuxFighter | negative no firmware errors at boot |
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| 17:58.38 | somiaj | you typed out both those commands? |
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| 18:00.34 | jnewt | somiaj: thanks, got past that error to libjpeg, so i think i'm back on my way now. thanks again. |
| 18:01.19 | somiaj | jnewt: what libjpeg version does it want? Again I would check debian first before actually doing that compile by hand |
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| 18:01.53 | DebianUsr | babilen: : my wireless toggle keeps blinking? |
| 18:01.57 | jnewt | libjpeg.so.8 how do i do that version printout here? or is that in #linux? |
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| 18:02.54 | eagles0513875 | hey guys where should i look in terms of dependencies for building packages? |
| 18:02.54 | jnewt | i think apt has it. |
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| 18:05.07 | rryoumaa | what's the trick to making a fresh dired place point on the file that you are in, if the directory is the same as that file? |
| 18:05.25 | rryoumaa | mischan |
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| 18:07.22 | bleutyler | eagles0513875 try dpkg -I file.deb |
| 18:07.38 | babilen | DebianUsr: But the installer lists your network, doesn't it? |
| 18:07.46 | bleutyler | if you are using aptitude I think it has something similar |
| 18:07.47 | ikonia | eagles0513875: you're building for debian now ? |
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| 18:07.56 | babilen | DebianUsr: Sorry, I am a bit busy with something else right now. |
| 18:08.07 | eagles0513875 | ikonia: just trying to get an understanding how things work in terms of packaging |
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| 18:08.20 | ikonia | eagles0513875: for debian ? |
| 18:08.28 | eagles0513875 | no ikonia just more for my know how |
| 18:08.40 | ikonia | eagles0513875: then why are you asking in #debian ? |
| 18:08.45 | ikonia | eagles0513875: this channels for debian |
| 18:09.13 | abrotman | I'm sure the Ubuntu Developers have a channel they use for this sort of topic |
| 18:09.15 | eagles0513875 | ikonia: cuz im doing so on debian |
| 18:09.29 | eagles0513875 | on a debian vm |
| 18:09.33 | abrotman | ... |
| 18:09.37 | ikonia | eagles0513875: so the question "you're building for debian" and you said "no" |
| 18:09.46 | ikonia | eagles0513875: that seems either a.) you don't know what you are using b.) you are telling lies ? |
| 18:10.08 | eagles0513875 | ikonia: wait a min let me clarify the way i understood it is if im contributing to the distro as a packager |
| 18:10.18 | abrotman | which distro? |
| 18:10.20 | eagles0513875 | which im not im trying to learn backaging using debian on my vm |
| 18:10.23 | ikonia | please don't expand the lie |
| 18:10.27 | eagles0513875 | im not lying |
| 18:10.33 | DebianUsr | Take your time babilen , thank you, yes it does from the list |
| 18:10.54 | abrotman | watches with popcorn |
| 18:11.03 | ChibaPet | Where did he say he wasn't using Debian? |
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| 18:11.04 | eagles0513875 | abrotman: my vm is running debian |
| 18:11.07 | Spec | this is simple |
| 18:11.09 | Spec | eagles0513875: http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging |
| 18:11.18 | eagles0513875 | thanks Spec |
| 18:11.18 | abrotman | eagles0513875: that's not the question I asked .. |
| 18:11.34 | abrotman | eagles0513875: what is your target distro? |
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| 18:11.39 | babilen | DebianUsr: Not sure, you might want to change the credentials (i.e. the password) or disable WPA to test. I've used it successfully before. Please also check output on another console (ALT-F4) -- You might also want to ask the channel and not specifically me :) |
| 18:12.03 | DammitJim | is there a maximum number of files one can have in a directory in ext3? |
| 18:12.06 | eagles0513875 | thanks Spec |
| 18:12.38 | babilen | DebianUsr: yes there is, check specifications for particulars |
| 18:12.45 | babilen | err |
| 18:12.49 | rryoumaa | DammitJim: i once had a million files. it caused corruption. |
| 18:12.49 | babilen | DammitJim: ^^^ |
| 18:13.01 | DammitJim | lol |
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| 18:13.19 | DebianUsr | Hey guys, if I disable the security on my network, temporarily, can I re-enable it later on the linux system with the WPA Password? |
| 18:13.31 | babilen | DebianUsr: yeah |
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| 18:14.35 | babilen | DebianUsr: I'm just curious if that allows you to connect to your network. You have to edit the network connection later in network-manager though ... or simply reconnect ? |
| 18:15.00 | babilen | DebianUsr: Anything interesting that might explain the error on ALT-F4 ? |
| 18:15.11 | DebianUsr | I disabled it babilen, it worked, but now I need to figure out how to encrypt it in linux with the WPA2 password |
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| 18:16.36 | babilen | DebianUsr: Did you decide which desktop environment (if any?) you want to install? |
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| 18:18.38 | DebianUsr | babilen: probably XF.. something that is really low on resources, the laptop is slow as it is without the tons of hoogy garbage (games, etc) |
| 18:18.54 | babilen | DebianUsr: Ok, did you configure it in the installer boot menu? |
| 18:19.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell DebianUsr -about install xfce4 |
| 18:19.23 | DebianUsr | Right now babilen it is "Installing the base system" |
| 18:19.27 | DebianUsr | Unpacking stuff |
| 18:19.52 | babilen | ok, so you didn't? |
| 18:20.13 | DammitJim | oh ok 'cause I have a thumbnail directory with all the thumbnails from my albums and I have a lot of pictures... I should count them |
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| 18:21.33 | DebianUsr | babilen: it would appear so yes, but after this step, im sure it will come up |
| 18:21.41 | babilen | DebianUsr: In order to install XFCE4 (as opposed to gnome) during the initial installation (when you install the Desktop task) you have to ""Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install" |
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| 18:22.22 | babilen | DebianUsr: No, it will not. You have to configure that in the boot menu (I mentioned that before, but you might have forgotten) |
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| 18:22.58 | DebianUsr | Ah stupid me |
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| 18:23.37 | babilen | DebianUsr: You are being offered to install the "Desktop" task (among others) which will install Gnome by default. XFCE is a good choice, but you have to configure that before. You /could/ simply not install the Desktop task right now and install XFCE4 after the initial configuration though. |
| 18:23.57 | KrisB | hello, does debian have any resources for cryptography? |
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| 18:24.24 | babilen | DebianUsr: The "problem" with that is that your network connection will be configured in /etc/network/interfaces and /not/ as a system connection in network-manager. Given that you have to change the configuration anyway, I wouldn't regard that as a big problem. |
| 18:24.27 | DebianUsr | babilen: Planned on that :) |
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| 18:25.44 | babilen | DebianUsr: So you can either: Start the installation from the start and configure the installer to install XFCE4 OR not install the Desktop task right now, install XFCE4 (apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies network-manager-gnome) and /then/ edit /etc/network/interfaces to contain /nothing/ about your wireless (eth1) |
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| 18:26.12 | babilen | The former is probably easier |
| 18:27.39 | DebianUsr | babilen: I am at the installing and select software checkpoint. Hopefully I can install nothing and later XFCE4 with the bare minimum gui contexts |
| 18:28.17 | jhutchins_wk | DebianUsr: Having stuff like games installed doesn't slow your system down, just what's running. |
| 18:28.45 | DebianUsr | babilen: Debian desktop environment, laptop, standard system utils: I select the last two correct? |
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| 18:30.22 | DebianUsr | jhutchins_wk: Well, that I didnt learn yet to control them. Slowly bu steady |
| 18:30.24 | DebianUsr | but* |
| 18:30.26 | Aktau | Hey guys |
| 18:30.36 | Sander^home | How should I get this error message away?: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1356982504 |
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| 18:30.44 | Aktau | I'm experiencing some corruption with my nvidia drivers on wheezy (non-free) |
| 18:30.52 | Aktau | And I'd like to try some newer ones |
| 18:30.54 | Sander^home | I have the debian-archive-keyring installed. |
| 18:31.10 | Aktau | Is it recommended to try the official nvidia .run method or should I add the debian experimental repo? |
| 18:31.14 | Aktau | Both are bleeding edge |
| 18:31.21 | Aktau | (the version I want) |
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| 18:31.40 | luigi | Systemd, guys |
| 18:31.48 | luigi | It's been long enough |
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| 18:32.37 | Aktau | Or should I try to setup sfgxi? |
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| 18:32.52 | Aktau | Does anyone have any experience in how it interacts with already installed drivers? |
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| 18:34.52 | babilen | DebianUsr: yes |
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| 18:37.58 | initself | can anyone speak to a Core 2 Duo U9400 @ 1.4 GHz Processor running multiple VMs with 8 GB RAM? |
| 18:38.04 | initself | is that procesor gonna cut it? |
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| 18:41.23 | teraflop | hi multilib is still broken in wheezy/sid? |
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| 18:44.01 | teraflop | i mean the transition |
| 18:45.23 | pskosinski | Everything what I was installing with :i386 postfix on my x64 system is working well. A few months ago I couldn't install i386 version of some packages but I don't remember which. |
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| 18:46.37 | pskosinski | They are working well for sure: http://paste.debian.net/236011/ :p |
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| 18:48.51 | teraflop | thanks pskosinski , do you have ia32-libs installed on your system? |
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| 18:49.33 | pskosinski | teraflop: Hm… yes, I have, from times when I was using squeeze… |
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| 18:50.13 | pskosinski | So possible that there can be something missing still… |
| 18:50.20 | teraflop | you mean you upgraded from squeeze to wheezy/sid? |
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| 18:50.43 | abrotman | teraflop: not likely |
| 18:50.50 | pskosinski | yes, to wheezy, long time ago |
| 18:50.53 | abrotman | teraflop: considering wheezy is nearing release, should be fine |
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| 18:51.19 | teraflop | ok thanks abrotman |
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| 18:53.00 | bluesm | What mean the "syntax" beginning in man articles ? |
| 18:53.28 | Aktau | Anybody know that even though I installed nvidia-kernel-dkms, it's gone now? |
| 18:53.29 | bluesm | I mean what mean "[" "]" |
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| 18:54.34 | babilen | bluesm: Optional, well, options :) |
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| 18:55.40 | bluesm | babilen: And when it is not within [ ] it is required option ? |
| 18:56.00 | babilen | bluesm: Can you give an example? It would be much easier to discuss this :) |
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| 18:56.37 | bluesm | babilen: But I have no example. I just always "tinker" with syntax. |
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| 18:57.39 | babilen | bluesm: Yeah, generally speaking /everything/ that is optional is enclosed in square brackets and non-optional arguments are /not/ enclosed. |
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| 18:58.04 | babilen | bluesm: See "man 1 scp" for a good example |
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| 18:59.59 | format_c | e.g. scp [-P port] means giving -P is optional, but when, a portnumber has to follow the -P |
| 19:00.14 | pskosinski | teraflop: Looks like come packages still depend on ia32-libs, but only a few… http://paste.debian.net/236014/ |
| 19:01.03 | bluesm | babilen format_c: Ok thank you very much :) |
| 19:01.50 | teraflop | yeah pskosinski, ill give a try to the squeeze and apt-get -f install, nothing to loose, thanks for the answer |
| 19:02.08 | Sander^home | Why does apt-get update give?: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1356982504 |
| 19:02.20 | babilen | hehe, lenny :) |
| 19:02.41 | babilen | Sander^home: I would say: Because the key has expired |
| 19:02.53 | babilen | Sander^home: and please, upgrade .. lenny is not supported anymore |
| 19:03.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell Sander^home about lenny->squeeze |
| 19:03.42 | Sander^home | babilen, no. it was actually because I had the line: #deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main |
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| 19:03.59 | babilen | Sander^home: That's a comment :) |
| 19:04.17 | babilen | Sander^home: Doesn't change the fact that you should have upgraded quite some time ago. It is overdue and ... bla bla |
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| 19:04.43 | pskosinski | teraflop: Oh wait, I didn't read well packages names. >.> All packages requiring ia32-libs are packages from lib32* too. So simply looks like nothing requires ia32-libs now. |
| 19:05.03 | Sander^home | babilen, it was fixed when I commented the line |
| 19:05.10 | Sander^home | babilen, Ok.. I'll upgrade :-) |
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| 19:06.08 | teraflop | mmmm, well then multilib seems to work properly, thanks pskosinski |
| 19:06.30 | abrotman | multiarch ? |
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| 19:08.09 | Harzilein | hi |
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| 19:09.11 | Harzilein | i wonder if somebody cloned the old openlook/openwindows/sun "shelltool" utility on gtk or any other modern toolkit |
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| 19:09.32 | Harzilein | i feel using vte is pretty overkill for lots of uses where i'd want to show pty output ;) |
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| 19:10.54 | Yetanotherx | Hi all, I'm trying to install Debian over netinstall. I'm trying to find the MAC address of my computer, as the network I'm on requires computers to be registered in order to get a DHCP lease. Is there a way to find my MAC address from the stripped-down ash shell that I have during netinstall? |
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| 19:12.25 | rndnick4342 | Yetanotherx: "ip link" (maybe) |
| 19:12.26 | Aktau | How the blimey do I uninstall the non-free nvidia drivers?! |
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| 19:12.41 | Aktau | Do I need to remove things such as nvidia-alternative etc? |
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| 19:13.02 | Yetanotherx | rndnick4342: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff. That's useful >_< |
| 19:13.12 | jelly-home | Aktau: installed from packages? |
| 19:13.26 | Aktau | jelly-home: yep, dkms method on wheezy |
| 19:13.36 | Yetanotherx | Oh, found an actual one |
| 19:13.42 | rndnick4342 | Yetanotherx: nothing that looks like a mac? |
| 19:13.48 | Aktau | jelly-home: worked really well and easy actually. But I'm having some corruption issues and would like to try something more recent |
| 19:13.53 | rndnick4342 | Yetanotherx: ip addr |
| 19:13.57 | Aktau | jelly-home: for example by using sgfxi |
| 19:14.04 | rndnick4342 | Yetanotherx: ifconfig |
| 19:14.06 | Aktau | jelly-home: but for that I need to get rid of the dims one |
| 19:14.07 | Yetanotherx | Found one. I'll see if it works. |
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| 19:14.16 | x42 | my debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 machine lost ipv6 functionality - i don't find the ipv6 module - or is it compiled into the kernel? |
| 19:14.22 | Yetanotherx | rndnick4342: I tried ifconfig, but the command doesn't work. ip link got one that looks to be working, though |
| 19:14.22 | Aktau | jelly-home: and I can't find out how to do that anywhere, Just some vague references to purge |
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| 19:15.05 | Yetanotherx | Woo, it worked! Thanks, rndnick4342 |
| 19:15.17 | jelly-home | Aktau: I have no idea what sgfxi does. Did you use Debian's packaging of non-free nvidia drivers, or not? |
| 19:15.24 | Aktau | jelly-home: yes, I did |
| 19:16.24 | jelly-home | Aktau: alright. What does aptitude -F'%a%c%M %30p %10v %10d' search '~i?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)' say? |
| 19:16.58 | jelly-home | (use a pastebin site like paste.debian.net) |
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| 19:19.18 | Aktau | jelly-home: ok |
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| 19:20.05 | Aktau | http://paste.debian.net/236022 jelly-home |
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| 19:21.15 | jelly-home | Aktau: looks fine. You can just aptitude purge '~i?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)' |
| 19:21.57 | Aktau | The reason why I was hesitating to do something like that is because I also needed to install a dkms package |
| 19:22.06 | Aktau | Which conflicts with other ways of installing nvidia drivers jelly-home |
| 19:22.14 | Aktau | Now it is no longer there somehow |
| 19:22.21 | Aktau | I'm at a loss for what happened |
| 19:22.48 | Aktau | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Use_DKMS |
| 19:22.58 | Aktau | It installed fine though, but that package seems gone |
| 19:23.11 | Aktau | Now I'm fearing a borked install |
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| 19:24.25 | jelly-home | Aktau: do you want to install the drivers or remove them?? |
| 19:24.41 | Aktau | jelly-home: I want to remove them so I can install the drivers via sgfxi |
| 19:24.43 | jelly-home | I'm getting conficting signals |
| 19:25.52 | jelly-home | I don't know anything about sgfxi, it sounds like some 3rd party hackish installer |
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| 19:26.47 | Aktau | Yes it's 3rd party, though some debian derivates use it |
| 19:26.55 | Aktau | Many people proclaim it's really good |
| 19:26.59 | Aktau | And I'd like to try it |
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| 19:27.15 | Aktau | But, currently I have the debian non-free drivers installed |
| 19:27.22 | Aktau | I would like to get rid of them in the cleanest way possible |
| 19:27.44 | Aktau | English is not my native language so probably I'm not explaining myself well |
| 19:27.55 | Aktau | What is conflicting about my statements? So I can clarify... |
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| 19:29.51 | johnfg | I'm on a different box now, but...in regards to a squeeze update this morning, my Alt-Function keys aren't working. Any idea what happened or how I can check out what's wrong? |
| 19:30.03 | jelly-home | Aktau: I thought you were trying to get rid of the drivers. Is your actual goal to make them work instead? |
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| 19:30.28 | Aktau | jelly-home: I'm getting rid of them because they show corruption after prolonged video playing with VDPAU |
| 19:30.35 | Aktau | jelly-home: I would like to try more recent drivers |
| 19:30.47 | Aktau | jelly-home: I would like to do this through a tool called sgfxi |
| 19:30.57 | Aktau | jelly-home: for this to work, I need to remove the current driver set |
| 19:31.09 | jelly-home | Aktau: I'd suggest using the packages from experimental instead, for a start. |
| 19:31.09 | jelly-home | ,v nvidia-glx |
| 19:31.09 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; sid/non-free: 304.64-4; wheezy/non-free: 304.64-4; experimental/non-free: 313.18-2 |
| 19:31.36 | Aktau | That would be the experimental drivers |
| 19:31.46 | Aktau | Which is the same as the ones that sgfxi would install |
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| 19:32.16 | Aktau | This presents a similar conundrum, as I would need to know exactly which packages to upgrade |
| 19:32.26 | Aktau | And sadly, the nvidia dkms package is just gone |
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| 19:32.33 | Aktau | But I'm sure it's lurking somewhere |
| 19:32.39 | jelly-home | Aktau: exactly those that the search above finds. |
| 19:32.53 | jelly-home | nothing more, nothing less |
| 19:33.28 | Aktau | I'm kind of new to debian |
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| 19:33.38 | Aktau | How do I force them to experimental in the easiest way? |
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| 19:35.04 | jelly-home | Aktau: install nvidia-kernel-dkms again. While you're at it, install nvidia-settings as well. Then add the experimental repo, and do aptitude -t experimental install '~i?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)' |
| 19:36.02 | Aktau | Sounds great |
| 19:36.07 | Aktau | btw I just discovered something |
| 19:36.13 | Aktau | There is some kind of meta uninstall package |
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| 19:36.31 | Aktau | nvidia-installer-cleanup |
| 19:36.41 | Aktau | If you purge that, it will do a lot of the nasty work for you |
| 19:36.52 | AlexLikeRock | bueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenos dias |
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| 19:37.25 | jelly-home | Aktau: that one is supposed to clear the remains of nvidia's own installer. |
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| 19:37.40 | Aktau | You'd think so |
| 19:37.48 | Aktau | But if you ever get an nvidia system with non free drivers |
| 19:38.00 | Aktau | try sudo apt-get -s purge nvidia-installer-cleanup |
| 19:38.04 | Aktau | I just did |
| 19:38.07 | jelly-home | Aktau: I'm writing this from one. |
| 19:38.13 | Aktau | It removed all packages your command suggested and more |
| 19:38.37 | Aktau | And even nicely informed me I would have to edit a x.org conf file |
| 19:38.54 | Aktau | It's definitely an uninstaller package |
| 19:39.11 | korhojoa | I've got my wlan card to associate, but i can't get it to get an ip over dhcp, and it won't work with a static ip. I'm using wpa2, and it worked fine during the installer. |
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| 19:40.08 | KsM | what would be the packages to install to check up on battery and hard disk health |
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| 19:40.46 | jrp | hello, does anyone know off hand the most recent debian version to use a 2.4 kernel? yes, Im aware its horribly outdated |
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| 19:42.21 | Towzzer | debian 3.0 sarge |
| 19:42.31 | korhojoa | etch? |
| 19:42.32 | Aktau | jelly-home: going to try experimental pinning later. Now trying sfgxi after uninstalling, will report on success ;) |
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| 19:42.39 | Towzzer | etch was 2.6.18 |
| 19:42.50 | jrp | Towzzer: awesome, thanks |
| 19:42.58 | Towzzer | I remember way back then, we wore jeans and tee-shirts |
| 19:43.01 | Towzzer | that was the fad |
| 19:43.06 | jrp | Towzzer: wait, 3.1 is sarge right? |
| 19:43.08 | korhojoa | etch still ran 2.4 |
| 19:43.14 | korhojoa | if you wanted to |
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| 19:43.44 | jelly-home | !sgfxi |
| 19:44.13 | jelly-home | Aktau: good luck |
| 19:44.34 | Aktau | jelly-home: thanks, up to now it's running beautifully |
| 19:45.13 | jelly-home | korhojoa: sarge came with 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 I think, but etch userspace probably still worked with a 2.4 kernel for the most part |
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| 19:49.24 | korhojoa | jelly-home: yeah, etch should be okay with 2.4, but anything after that will more likely fail than work |
| 19:49.27 | Aktau | jelly-home: I gotta say that it did work flawlessly, now running 313.18 |
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| 19:54.01 | Nik05 | hey guys how do i get apt to read my pinning files in preferences or preferences.d/ ? |
| 19:54.19 | Nik05 | aptitude update doesnt do anything with it |
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| 20:01.32 | johnfg | so, no ideas about why Alt-Function keys aren't working? |
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| 20:05.25 | veelium | did you check the xev output |
| 20:06.17 | veelium | johnfg: that was directed at you |
| 20:06.35 | neil___ | I installed Apache in Debian stable, using name based vhosts. some of the vhosts works just fine, others aren't. getting 403's, error log shows .htaccess file is trying to be accessed but that file doesn't excist. Ideas via PM appreciated.. |
| 20:06.52 | johnfg | veelium: No, not familiar with it. |
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| 20:08.08 | johnfg | veelium: I'm gonna be at the debian box in a bit (lunch before 2nd job), and I can't run xev in a terminal. |
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| 20:08.16 | veelium | as a clarification, do you mean the fn keys? |
| 20:08.19 | johnfg | do I run it as user or root and with any flags? |
| 20:08.26 | veelium | just in a terminal |
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| 20:08.52 | mr0wl | will Ubuntu Unity on Android devices mean we get to have the Debian core also? |
| 20:09.01 | veelium | then press the desired buttons and see what the terminal prints |
| 20:09.07 | Dirkson | Hey all. As root I can read Japanese text on the terminal. As my user, I cannot. How do I fix this state of affairs? |
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| 20:09.50 | johnfg | veelium: Yes for the F meaning function keys. I'm used to doing Alt-F2 numerous times to be able to run a program. |
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| 20:10.33 | johnfg | But none of those keys are working. And xev doesn't run in a terminal from this gentoo box, it needs a display on the debian box. |
| 20:10.48 | veelium | hm |
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| 20:11.43 | germanstudent | Hey. Is it reasonable to run a live system on an usb flash drive for a longer time? |
| 20:11.53 | johnfg | veelium: I'll get back to you, probably around 1330 MST. |
| 20:12.16 | TuxFighter | I have installed the Reealtek firmware and wpasuppicant but I cant get the wlan0 working |
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| 20:12.27 | TuxFighter | even wlan0 is missing every time after reboot in ifconfig |
| 20:12.32 | Towzzer | germanstudent, log files and stuff will wear out the flash |
| 20:12.42 | veelium | johnfg: I'll probably be asleep by then |
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| 20:12.56 | johnfg | veelium: What's your time? |
| 20:13.11 | veelium | 9:30 pm |
| 20:13.19 | johnfg | veelium: Although I'd like to be asleep at 1330 too :-) |
| 20:13.26 | veelium | :) |
| 20:13.32 | johnfg | veelium: k. pleasant dreams! |
| 20:13.38 | veelium | you too^^ |
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| 20:15.28 | germanstudent | Towzzer, thanks. Isn't this basically the same as running a raspberry pi live system? Will it last a year? :) |
| 20:15.33 | Glus | germanstudent: I've been doing it for a few years without issues. Daily usage of the usb drive is about 4 hours. |
| 20:15.37 | slidesinger | Does anyone know where there is an explanation of how to set up the split linux-headers files... specifically with relation to how to use it when compiling from sources that are looking for it to be a single tree? |
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| 20:15.50 | germanstudent | thanks Glus! |
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| 20:16.04 | Glus | germanstudent: but keep a backup. |
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| 20:16.43 | germanstudent | will do, Glus :) Thanks. |
| 20:17.00 | dawud | neil___: no PM, please. use paste.debian to show config and/or errors |
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| 20:17.32 | dawud | Dirkson: real terminal or terminal emulator in X session? |
| 20:18.13 | slidesinger | find /usr/src/ | grep <filename> locates the files the makefile is looking for, some in common, and some in (arch) but the makefile cannot find the files. I have been unable to figure out why and have been unable to find documentation either. |
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| 20:18.48 | Dirkson | dawud: terminal emulator |
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| 20:19.20 | dawud | Dirkson: which one? Konsole? does it have locale settings available? |
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| 20:20.06 | Dirkson | dawud: In the real terminal, both root and my user cannot read japanese. I assume the language settings of my terminal (urxvt) are fine, as root as read japanese without issue. |
| 20:20.07 | dawud | slidesinger: can you use -I flags in your makefile? |
| 20:20.24 | Dirkson | *can read |
| 20:21.08 | slidesinger | Don't know, but at least I have something new to look up and to learn. I'll start from there. If I can, how do these headers work? |
| 20:21.13 | dawud | Dirkson: does echo $LANG in the user's session output the right one? |
| 20:21.13 | Dirkson | dawud: Buuuut xterm can read japanese fine. That's a fine workaround for now |
| 20:22.04 | dawud | slidesinger: header files are usually included from other files |
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| 20:22.15 | Dirkson | dawud: OH! When I SET LANG="ja_JP", I stop being able to read japanese file names! |
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| 20:22.40 | dawud | Dirkson: use unicode then |
| 20:22.47 | Dirkson | dawud: How? |
| 20:23.07 | dawud | Dirkson: lang settings have UTF-8 variants |
| 20:23.10 | Towzzer | germanstudent, I think you just need to modify logs and stuff that aren't needed |
| 20:23.36 | Dirkson | dawud: I suspect this will bork up the program I'm trying to install again - It responds favorable to LANG="ja_JP" |
| 20:23.56 | dawud | Dirkson: that I don't know, of course |
| 20:24.22 | Dirkson | dawud: I also can't seem to guess what LANG= setting produced UTF-8 |
| 20:24.25 | dawud | Dirkson: but you can safely use 'LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8 urxvt' |
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| 20:24.31 | slidesinger | I mean, they used to be monolithic, now they are two separate trees. Are they supposed to link together or are they used separately. I just can't find any information on how the change was implemented. The why, I guess, was to save on storage, bandwidth, and to make maintenance easier, but the how eludes me. |
| 20:24.33 | Dirkson | dawud: AHHH |
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| 20:24.59 | Dirkson | dawud: THAT'S got it. |
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| 20:27.09 | dawud | , linux-headers |
| 20:27.15 | dawud | meh |
| 20:27.19 | dawud | ,linux-headers |
| 20:27.22 | abrotman | you can msg the bot |
| 20:27.37 | abrotman | that way we don't have to watch you misuse it in the channel five times |
| 20:27.41 | whozatmac | germanstudent: point /var/log and /tmp into tmpfs so the constant writes go to ram, not the pen drive, make it without a swap. |
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| 20:27.59 | dawud | abrotman: I was trying to !tell slidesinger about linux-headers or something (no foo today, though) |
| 20:28.33 | dawud | abrotman: but point taken |
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| 20:28.53 | abrotman | what is slidesinger actually trying to do ? |
| 20:29.12 | slidesinger | Yeah, I already tried dpkg. It doesn't know about linux-headers |
| 20:29.36 | abrotman | or don't answer .. |
| 20:29.49 | dawud | slidesinger: try apt-cache search instead |
| 20:29.51 | slidesinger | I am trying to compile an kmod. I have tried from source and from git, neither works. |
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| 20:30.01 | dawud | abrotman: is that a question for me? |
| 20:30.09 | abrotman | slidesinger: aptitude search linux-headers .. install the one for your system |
| 20:30.21 | slidesinger | I have installed linux-headers-686 already. |
| 20:30.37 | abrotman | then what's wrong? |
| 20:30.53 | slidesinger | It installed linux-headers-common and linux-headers-<uname> |
| 20:31.06 | slidesinger | The sources cannot find the headers. |
| 20:31.23 | slidesinger | More accurately, make cannot find the headers. |
| 20:31.56 | slidesinger | The files that the process is looking for are there, but it just can't find them. |
| 20:32.10 | abrotman | look at the make file for what it's actually llooking for |
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| 20:32.37 | Towzzer | how can I force an overwrite with cp |
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| 20:32.58 | Towzzer | I have it in a script and I want it to overwrite existing files without prompting |
| 20:33.10 | whozatmac | might be searching /usr/src/linux, expecting it to be symlinked to /usr/src/$currentheaders |
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| 20:34.11 | slidesinger | If that is the include statement, that line is include/linux alsa-kernel |
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| 20:34.51 | yskapell | hello |
| 20:35.02 | slidesinger | I have tried pointing the symlink linux at both the common and the arch directories, but it makes no difference in the result. |
| 20:35.07 | yskapell | I just install debian wheezy and I did not know that was testing. |
| 20:35.15 | yskapell | Is any way to go to stable? |
| 20:35.41 | nkuttler | yskapell: no. you can just wait until it is relabeled stable though |
| 20:35.59 | Glus | Towzzer: "cp" should have this behavior by default. Perhaps you have it aliased to: "cp -i"? |
| 20:36.31 | slidesinger | yskapell: Two ways that I know of, reinstall squeeze if you don't have data on, or wait. Wheezy has already been frozen, so they are getting close to release. |
| 20:37.05 | yskapell | so the next stable release of debian will be Wheezy? |
| 20:37.12 | slidesinger | Yes. |
| 20:37.20 | yskapell | So I will wait |
| 20:37.33 | yskapell | I have setup Virtual Storage |
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| 20:37.47 | yskapell | and I cannot setup again from scratch |
| 20:37.48 | slidesinger | Wheezy should be pretty stable by now anyway. |
| 20:38.23 | slidesinger | It was frozen in July, if I recall correctly. |
| 20:38.29 | yskapell | I was copying 80G+ from ntfs partition to ext4 and the load was 5.04 at the best |
| 20:38.49 | yskapell | and I could modify a file using vi very very very extreme slow |
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| 20:39.26 | whozatmac | stable and testing have special meanings in the debian world. |
| 20:39.47 | Towzzer | glus I think I do |
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| 20:41.24 | yskapell | what meanings? |
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| 20:41.56 | ksuhku | !stable |
| 20:41.56 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 20:42.33 | TuxFighter | Hi, my network manager won´t find my networks |
| 20:42.34 | ksuhku | !tell yskapell about testing |
| 20:42.36 | evilbit2 | hi there... I'm trying to use preseeds to automate my installs. Is it possible to configure two nics, one static one dhcp? |
| 20:42.36 | TuxFighter | WLAN |
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| 20:44.11 | whozatmac | TuxFighter: you may need non-free firmware for your card. |
| 20:44.42 | TuxFighter | already installed |
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| 20:44.52 | TuxFighter | as well as propitary driver from realtek |
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| 20:45.27 | TuxFighter | I always have to add wlan0 manually to ifconfig |
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| 20:47.24 | Nik05 | guys how do get apt to read /etc/apt/preferences? |
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| 20:49.00 | dondelelcaro | Nik05: it reads it by default when you start apt. |
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| 20:49.14 | Nik05 | oh ok, then im doing something wrong probably :P |
| 20:49.34 | fAz4 | is it any way to disable "arp" packets from interface ? |
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| 20:50.18 | Nik05 | I want to update iceweasel from experimental automatically so added pin-priority: 101 to iceweasel |
| 20:50.30 | Nik05 | but apt-cache policy still tells pin-priority is 1 |
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| 20:53.13 | Towzzer | fAz4- I think you need those in order to communicate with devices on layer 2 :D |
| 20:53.19 | dondelelcaro | Nik05: use a paste site to show your /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 20:53.54 | fAz4 | Towzzer: you mean it's impossible to do that ? |
| 20:54.10 | Nik05 | dondelelcaro: just got Package: iceweasel\n Pin: release a=testing\n Pin-Priority: 101 |
| 20:54.18 | abrotman | fAz4: why do you think you need to do this? |
| 20:54.45 | dondelelcaro | Nik05: uh... that doesn't match experimental. |
| 20:54.50 | Nik05 | oh :p |
| 20:54.56 | fAz4 | abrotman: i think someone is doind MAC Flooding as ARP Cache Poisoning technique |
| 20:55.12 | fAz4 | in our company |
| 20:55.24 | Nik05 | so dondelelcaro i meant a=experimental :P |
| 20:55.25 | dondelelcaro | Nik05: that matches a release file with a testing alias. And you don't actually want 101, you want 500. |
| 20:55.36 | fAz4 | and my computer sends billions of arp requests ! |
| 20:55.38 | abrotman | fAz4: so you want to flush it? |
| 20:55.43 | Towzzer | that would hit your gateway though, it wouldn't go further right? |
| 20:55.49 | fAz4 | abrotman: yes |
| 20:56.02 | fAz4 | abrotman: our Net admin does nothing about it. |
| 20:56.09 | Nik05 | wait a second i wrote a=testing in my preference file -_- |
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| 20:56.37 | fizzle | did debian release a new version recently? |
| 20:57.14 | zykotick9 | fizzle: no. but a rc1 of wheezy just came out... |
| 20:57.25 | Nik05 | thanks dondelelcaro for noticing my error :p |
| 20:57.27 | abrotman | fizzle: did squeeze hit 6.0.7 ? |
| 20:57.35 | format_c | fAz4: afraid your network admin is the only one who can do anything about it |
| 20:57.55 | fizzle | i have a new desktop machine and its pretty good, what version of debian should i use? |
| 20:58.13 | format_c | that your host is seeing lots of ARP packets is normal depending of the size of the broadcast domain |
| 20:58.42 | Nik05 | stable (6 current stable) is recommend but wheezy (7 now testing) is going to be stable soon |
| 20:58.48 | fAz4 | format_c: it's active directory network, i just want to turn off arp |
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| 20:59.08 | format_c | u can't |
| 20:59.14 | format_c | it essential for IPv4 to work |
| 20:59.14 | fAz4 | abrotman: why ? |
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| 20:59.34 | format_c | especially if you use ethernet as Layer2 protocol |
| 20:59.38 | Nik05 | first word i said should be squeeze |
| 20:59.42 | fizzle | how soon will wheezy be release? |
| 20:59.42 | jamesbond-4711 | hi |
| 20:59.52 | format_c | you could switch to HDLC or FrameRelay |
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| 21:00.00 | format_c | is joking |
| 21:00.10 | jamesbond-4711 | I want to put this rule in my firewall script: $IPT –t nat –A POSTROUTING –o eth0 –j MASQUERADE |
| 21:00.23 | jamesbond-4711 | problem is: I get "Bad argument `–t'" error |
| 21:00.29 | format_c | Active Directory means Windoze |
| 21:00.37 | jamesbond-4711 | I guess I need to load some kernel module... |
| 21:01.03 | jamesbond-4711 | but I don't know exactly what to do. Can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 21:01.09 | format_c | Oh, now he found probably a way to disable ARP in Windows :-D |
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| 21:02.12 | format_c | however, came from Iran |
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| 21:03.03 | Nik05 | dondelelcaro: its all working, again thanks :) |
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| 21:16.20 | elusaith | Hi, what is the name of standard window menager in xfce? (line nautilus in gnome) |
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| 21:17.13 | Yakko | elusaith: yes there is |
| 21:17.22 | format_c | elusaith: xfce? |
| 21:17.41 | Yakko | elusaith: it's called Thunar |
| 21:17.54 | Yakko | should be in your lower bar |
| 21:18.01 | format_c | thats the file manager |
| 21:18.03 | Yakko | titled File manager |
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| 21:18.34 | format_c | elusaith: you mean file- or window manager? |
| 21:18.51 | Yakko | nautilus is the same as windows explorer |
| 21:19.06 | ^DEMOSS^ | anybody can help me restore info on my raid5 mdadm ( NAS server is die ) this is info how i can collect about raid http://pastebin.com/4wDZTKbq \ http://pastebin.com/nrfnLF1L \\ http://pastebin.com/TY0SJvzj there is all that i have |
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| 21:20.05 | format_c | why do I always speak to people just left the channel? |
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| 21:38.23 | TuxFighter | What does it say to you if you I have to ifconfig wlan0 up every reboot and if the network manager won´t find any AP ? |
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| 21:39.43 | daemonkeeper | That you either did not configure NM correctly or you should not use it at all. |
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| 21:41.10 | hje841 | in a shell script: how I make it so that the script reads command line arguments as numeric values to be used in a counter? |
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| 21:45.38 | emss | hje841: try #bash |
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| 21:58.58 | Quest | what do such scripts like a2ensite or a2dissite actually do in the backend? cp from avaiblable to enabled sites? or delete any. or something else? |
| 21:59.09 | Quest | like wise a2enmod for modules |
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| 22:02.53 | TuxFighter | It really seems its nearly impossible to get the most WLAN sticks running |
| 22:02.59 | TuxFighter | on debian |
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| 22:09.48 | jhutchins_wk | !raspberry |
| 22:09.48 | dpkg | The Raspberry Pi is an open hardware design for a tiny PC based on a Broadcom system-on-a-chip, requiring <non-free> <firmware>. Debian's <armel> port works fine on the Raspberry Pi but does not use its hardware floating point support. Debian's <armhf> port (wheezy onwards) targets a newer revision of the ARM chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it. http://www.raspberrypi.org/ #raspberrypi on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:11.09 | jhutchins_wk | tries to figure out where he saw the RP discussion. Nevermind. |
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| 22:13.11 | TuxFighter | ok, but that doesn´t help that much it is a realtek chip usb |
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| 22:15.12 | rwp | Quest, a2ensite and others creates symlinks. The config is really 'cat sites-enabled/*'. |
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| 22:16.09 | Quest | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14990973/tomcat7-and-apache2-on-ubuntu-in-integration-with-some-sort-of-proxy |
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| 22:21.57 | zmitya | hi Gents |
| 22:22.16 | zmitya | I have a squeeze and I'm trying to create a chrooted sftp account |
| 22:22.26 | zmitya | everything works well, except the umask |
| 22:22.32 | zmitya | I have this: http://paste.debian.net/236075/ |
| 22:22.39 | zmitya | (I have restarted sshd) |
| 22:22.55 | rwp | Quest, Seems reasonable to me. a2enmod proxy_httpd at least and then set up the reverse proxies. |
| 22:23.18 | zmitya | when I create a dir, the mask is set to 755 for some reason |
| 22:24.09 | rwp | zmitya, It has been a few years but I remember looking into sftp and finding out that it was running through PAM and umask 022 was buried in the PAM config. |
| 22:24.49 | rwp | zmitya, But your sftp umask question is one that is asked regularly. I would think that in the openssh mailing list archives you would find previous discussion many times on it. |
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| 22:25.09 | Quest | rwp, theres proxy_ajp and proxy_http. |
| 22:25.14 | zmitya | rwp: hm, thanks |
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| 22:29.18 | KittyPaws | okies... |
| 22:29.20 | KittyPaws | :( |
| 22:29.24 | KittyPaws | http://pastebin.com/2s4kNqhY |
| 22:29.29 | KittyPaws | X doesn't like meeeee. :( |
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| 22:31.55 | Yakko | you need to learn how to make friends with your code |
| 22:31.55 | zmitya | rwp: "session optional pam_umask.so umask=0027" in /etc/pam.d/sshd and /etc/pam.d/login solved the issue, thanks |
| 22:32.15 | KittyPaws | Yakko: huh hun |
| 22:34.00 | Yakko | it's a never ending process ;) |
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| 22:35.25 | rwp | Quest, What is proxy_ajp? |
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| 22:35.43 | rwp | Whatever it is you don't need it. |
| 22:36.00 | rwp | But you do need proxy_http and that depends upon proxy. |
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| 22:57.01 | Kvoth | I have a problem with cryptsetup, I get this error: Check that kernel supports blowfish-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher (check syslog for more info). |
| 22:57.09 | Kvoth | I have all the crypto modules up, less the sha256 that It's says don't found |
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| 23:15.32 | StefanQn | max C States 8, listed 3 ... where are all my beautiful power saving C states gone? http://pastebin.com/H7Hq4GwK |
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| 23:17.49 | Soundtoxin | Is anyone available to explain an error to me and help me fix it? |
| 23:18.16 | Soundtoxin | I'm running CrunchBang and got partial help in #crunchbang but haven't made any real progress. |
| 23:18.35 | Soundtoxin | The error I'm getting can be seen here http://pastie.org/6261924 I tried to fix it by running sudo apt-get clean and it didn't work. |
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| 23:24.10 | StefanQn | Soundtoxin: 'thunar-volman' depends on something, but the something is not in an appropriate form |
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| 23:28.43 | lalaland | hello, would like to invite everyone to start learn Krav Maga Self Defense, please visit my website if you like to get more info: 972kravmaga (dot) com |
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| 23:29.08 | lalaland | hello, would like to invite everyone to start learn Krav Maga Self Defense, please visit my website if you like to get more info: 972kravmaga (dot) com |
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| 23:33.47 | KittyPaws | laidback_01: Laidback Luke? Is that you?! :oi |
| 23:34.31 | laidback_01 | nope |
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| 23:35.10 | KittyPaws | laidback_01: I've got big feet. :o |
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| 23:39.49 | confusid | in /etc/mysql/my.cnf it has 127.0.0.1 bound.. Can I have local and the external ip bound on the same line? |
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| 23:42.36 | confusid | Googling I'm only finding this. If no address or 0.0.0.0 is specified, the server listens on all interfaces. So I'm under the impression it is set to 1 ip or all .. Cant choose which to use if I'm trying to use only 2 ip's. |
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| 23:47.01 | TuxFighter | Hi can someone help me get a wlan running |
| 23:47.18 | TuxFighter | iwconfig wlan0 scan gives me a network |
| 23:47.35 | TuxFighter | but I can´t connect and the manager under xfce won´t show me a network |
| 23:49.32 | confusid | TuxFighter: did you open the Wicd and go to Prefferences and Add the wifi device name there? That should be the only thing you need to do unless a driver is not loaded for it. |
| 23:49.51 | TuxFighter | wicd ? |
| 23:50.05 | confusid | in xfce you have Wicd Network Manager |
| 23:50.11 | confusid | it is the gui for Network Manager |
| 23:50.22 | confusid | if you have a default install of xfce it should be there. |
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| 23:50.49 | TuxFighter | negative id didn´t and ifconfig also won´t show wlan0 after I rebooted the pc |
| 23:50.49 | confusid | Menu > Network > Wicd |
| 23:50.52 | TuxFighter | is that normal ? |
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| 23:51.29 | confusid | what does "sudo ifconfig" show? |
| 23:51.57 | confusid | without the ""'s |
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| 23:52.44 | laidback_01 | confusid, you can quite easily use a firewall to listen on the public ip and forward the connections to the localhost. that's typically how I set up services - let them listen to localhost, and then control who I want connecting to what. |
| 23:52.49 | TuxFighter | http://pastebin.com/eGrv2y5d |
| 23:53.34 | confusid | laidback_01: ty, saw something about that on a wiki but was hoping I didn't need to have a firewall directly on it but that will work. |
| 23:54.20 | confusid | TuxFighter: in console type wicd and see if it pops up. |
| 23:54.23 | confusid | or if it is installed. |
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| 23:54.56 | laidback_01 | confusid, yeah, personally, I really like using firewalls for that kind of work, but to each their own. |
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| 23:55.17 | TuxFighter | yes it is the problem is that I am doing it via SSH and I can´t take look at the x-server personally |
| 23:55.22 | JCainLT | Evening all. |
| 23:55.33 | confusid | laidback_01: trying to use mysql in a test area so the out side world wont see it but then again.. someone might open something they shouldn't. :) |
| 23:55.48 | confusid | TuxFighter: ah ok |
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| 23:56.39 | JCainLT | TuxFighter - Isn't there a way to show x-server over the ethernet connection? |
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| 23:56.47 | confusid | TuxFighter: am I understanding your goal then? 1. You can connect with rj45 and want to have the wifi connect also. 2. Do you have the password or is the wifi open? |
| 23:56.51 | TuxFighter | yea but that impractical |
| 23:56.58 | TuxFighter | passworded |
| 23:57.02 | TuxFighter | wpa2-psk |
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| 23:57.40 | JCainLT | Gotcha |
| 23:58.38 | confusid | TuxFighter: I'm lazy with wifi.. I use the gui but if I remember you need the wpasupplicant package installed for wpa connections. |
| 23:58.54 | confusid | TuxFighter: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse has some good info |
| 23:59.29 | JCainLT | Feels good to be on IRC again. |
| 23:59.49 | JiKeidan | Problem: I loaded *squeeze* (deb 6.0.6) onto a desktop wielding the nvidia chipset drivers via the A8N motherboard... i wind up unable to load into either the virtual console, or the desktop as i get an error: failed to set mode on CRTC:10 ... assuming this is a driver imcompatability... |