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| 00:05.32 | zykotick9 | jacksmithz: i used SLIM on squeeze for a while, i certainly don't recall it causing any "mounting" issues |
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| 00:06.09 | jacksmithz | allright thanks alot :) |
| 00:06.16 | themill | it doesn't use console kit properly |
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| 00:07.17 | zykotick9 | jacksmithz: see themill message above (i'm not sure what it means exactly, but i bet it's important) |
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| 00:08.30 | themill | ,bug 690127 |
| 00:08.31 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/690127 in release-notes (open, help): «Issues: switch dm to get an active consolekit session»; severity: important; opened: 2012-10-10; last modified: 2013-01-28. |
| 00:09.57 | jacksmithz | does that bug also exist on squeeze? |
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| 00:20.24 | MrGeneral | Folks. I need some tool to get me the daily bandwidth usage in all my ips, what do you recommend? I want the totals as well |
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| 00:21.31 | rwp | MrGeneral, Many tools exist. I am using 'bandwidthd'. Simple. Enough for me. |
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| 00:28.30 | MrGeneral | thanks rwp ! :) |
| 00:29.17 | rwp | Try several. All have pros and cons. You might like a different one better. But that one was good for me. |
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| 00:36.49 | KrisB-mobi | Black screen after installing nvidia drivers. xorg log: failed to load the nvidia kernel module. failed to load module nvidia (module speciffic error,0) |
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| 00:43.07 | rmbell | I can't seem to get a virtual machine to connect to ipv6. im not sure whats wrong with the config if someone wouldn't mind taking a look: host /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/fSCu9Xtq virtual machine /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/Z0DgFaMX |
| 00:44.14 | Dagger2 | oh, OVH |
| 00:44.23 | Dagger2 | if you were hoping things would be simple, you're kinda screwed |
| 00:44.38 | rmbell | :D |
| 00:44.45 | Dagger2 | they won't route you any space to use on a private network |
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| 00:45.24 | rmbell | mainly ive got znc running on a vm, with some ipv6 vhosts that im trying to get work |
| 00:46.32 | rmbell | Dagger2: can i use the ips static on the host then do some iptables magic to get it to world to a private v6? |
| 00:46.59 | rmbell | world = connect |
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| 00:52.32 | Dagger2 | rmbell: depending on your Linux version, the answer is either "no" or "proxy NDP would be less horrible" |
| 00:54.34 | Dagger2 | there is also the option of moving to a host that is willing to route you space to use |
| 00:55.08 | Dagger2 | and that understands enough IPv6 to realize how retardedly their network is set up... |
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| 00:55.48 | rmbell | but that host wouldnt be so cheap, and its only a private dev server |
| 00:58.10 | Dagger2 | there's a reason they're cheap |
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| 00:59.02 | factor | Are the debian testing images working again |
| 00:59.22 | factor | last I checked last week it woudl not even boot |
| 00:59.57 | plzhelp | i am trying to make a bootable USB. i forgot to delete the ubuntu.iso off this USB and now unetbootin is telling me its out of space (it is) how do i delete the .iso from the USB? it states "unable to create trash directory" (USB is full) how do i delete the .iso so i can continue the creation process? |
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| 01:01.08 | zykotick9 | plzhelp: is this for a debian ISO? if so, just cat (or 2nd choice dd) the debian iso to the root of the usb drive. no unetbootin required, and it'll wipe whatever is there currently. |
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| 01:03.58 | plzhelp | more info: my HDD is full, the USB is full, unetbootin is copying the debian.iso from a "broken" USB that is slow to initial IO transfer. its taken me all day to get to 20%. i am going to be installing a new hard drive in this computer (this is where deb will install to) is there another answer becides to start all over from the begining? |
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| 01:11.27 | plzhelp | for log purposes: delete from context menu faled. i was able to delete the file with rm -f debian.iso |
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| 01:20.12 | factor | Does usb have a netinstall image |
| 01:20.42 | dvs | factor: the netinstall IS a USB installer |
| 01:20.46 | zykotick9 | factor: what? the netinst is hybrid iso/usb |
| 01:20.55 | factor | nice ok thanks |
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| 01:21.32 | factor | dvs, zykotick9 how do I image it to the usb |
| 01:22.08 | KrisB | hello, problems with nvidia drivers again, but i'm on some progress I guess, x server didnt start, after I installed the drivers, so I removed /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, now the desktop runs, but I guess, not with nvidia driver... |
| 01:22.15 | zykotick9 | factor: just cat it to the root of the usb device like sdb as an example, not partition number at the end! |
| 01:22.29 | zykotick9 | s/not/no/ |
| 01:22.52 | factor | nice thanks |
| 01:24.00 | ctmjr | KrisB: what nvidia driver on what system |
| 01:24.51 | KrisB | ctmjr, I run the command "# apt-get install nvidia-glx${VERSION}" to install it |
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| 01:26.44 | KrisB | ctmjr, before I did run this file: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=nvidia-versions.sh which returned : Your card is only supported up to the 96.43 legacy drivers series. You can use VERSION="-legacy-96xx" |
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| 01:31.37 | ctmjr | KrisB: read this http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries the part about use DKMS is what you need to do |
| 01:32.18 | nitz | Is it reasonably safe use unstable or testing versions of programs with dependencies on squeeze? Wouldn't it cause problems for squeeze's programs that depend on older versions of those dependencies or files/programs? Or is that mixing of different versions handled in a relatively safe way? |
| 01:32.49 | nitz | s/safe use/safe to use/ |
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| 01:32.56 | zykotick9 | nitz: see "/msg dpkg ssb" to see how to backport things properly |
| 01:33.09 | nitz | zykotick9: Thanks. |
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| 01:35.37 | zykotick9 | nitz: just to clarify, there are certainly things that will NOT backport easily, or at all... |
| 01:36.16 | KrisB | ctmjr, I have read all this before, but which one should I pay attentin to ? DKMS or Libraries part? |
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| 01:37.23 | ctmjr | KrisB: the easiest way is to use dkms |
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| 01:38.33 | KrisB | ctmjr, is it for building kernel, right? |
| 01:38.40 | zykotick9 | nitz: you can use the judd bot to get some idea before proceeding, like "/msg judd check-backport foo" |
| 01:39.25 | ctmjr | KrisB: the nvidia kernel yes |
| 01:40.09 | KrisB | ctmjr, "m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source", cant I use this? |
| 01:40.40 | RigidWig | would someone kindly explain why mysql isn't showing up at /etc/init.d ? http://pastebin.com/sipPGFJM |
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| 01:41.02 | r31n3r | does dpkg or apt provide package groups? |
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| 01:41.45 | nitz | zykotick9: Thanks again. |
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| 01:44.50 | ctmjr | KrisB: that would be using the module assistant way but you can do what you want i just said using dkms is the easiest |
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| 01:46.44 | KrisB | ctmjr, it went through well, i didn't manually change ${VERSION}. in the commands. I thought nvidia-versions.sh sets t the variable. |
| 01:47.52 | KrisB | ctmjr, how to check if kernel is successfully installed? |
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| 01:52.13 | ctmjr | KrisB: reboot if all goes well run "grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log" it should say nvidia module |
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| 02:23.19 | antiisolo | does someone know the terminal command to open a directory, giving you read/write permissions to window paritions that won't let you copy because of permissions? |
| 02:23.49 | well_laid_lawn | you need to mount them properly first |
| 02:24.10 | well_laid_lawn | and you need ntfs-3g for proper write |
| 02:24.57 | factor | I dont have a cdrom drive on my system but netinstall keeps asking for cdrom media, how do I get it to install from usb drive only |
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| 02:25.58 | BenNZ | well_laid_lawn: since squeeze you havent needed to specify ntfs-3g as /sbin/mount.ntfs is symlinked to /sbin/mount.ntfs-3g |
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| 02:28.33 | well_laid_lawn | til |
| 02:28.37 | well_laid_lawn | cheers |
| 02:29.26 | simpson_ | hey |
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| 02:30.17 | antiisolo | ah gksu nautilus is what i was looking for |
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| 02:31.32 | factor | can I install debian without cdrom |
| 02:31.39 | factor | the netinstal seems to want cdrom |
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| 02:31.47 | factor | I have booted from usb key |
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| 02:50.48 | Ognid_Ikubay | HEY GUYS, CHECK OUT THIS AMAZING VIDEO I FOUND ON THE INTERNET! =^_^= goo.gl/QvRfr |
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| 02:51.37 | simpson_ | dont clik that guys |
| 02:51.41 | simpson_ | click* |
| 02:51.49 | simpson_ | its a URL shortener link |
| 02:51.52 | simpson_ | could go anywhere |
| 02:52.21 | Ognid_Ikubay | No |
| 02:52.24 | Ognid_Ikubay | It goes to YouTube. |
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| 02:56.50 | enbloc^ | I just migrated from ubuntu to avlinux (debian variant). My ecryptfs directory works, except that it doesn't decrypt filenames. How do I decrypt the filenames? |
| 02:59.55 | zykotick9 | !tell enbloc^ about based on debian |
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| 03:00.08 | zykotick9 | !dpkg tell enbloc^ about based on debian |
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| 03:00.33 | enbloc^ | thanks buddy |
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| 03:22.50 | irep | I need help installing the alx driver for atheros ethernet. I installed the driver and rebooted, but i still have no networking capabilities. |
| 03:23.41 | irep | Ifconfig only returns with lo. |
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| 03:25.04 | scanwinder | Hi, I'm trying to start gnome over read only NFS and getting the following error: "Could not update .ICEauthority file /var/lib/gdm3/.ICEauthority". I tried adding the following to ~/.gnomerc: "export ICEAUTHORITY=/tmp/.ICEauthority" but it doesnt seem to do the job |
| 03:25.37 | scanwinder | Is there any way to make gdm look to /tmp/ for the .ICEauthority file so that it can update it? |
| 03:25.41 | irep | can anyone help me install the alx driver? |
| 03:26.38 | well_laid_lawn | irep: you might have to modprobe it |
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| 03:27.23 | irep | modprobe eth0 returns FATAL: Module eth0 not found. |
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| 03:30.07 | irep | Does anyone know what to do from here? I think the alx driver has to be patched in, but i cant run the .patch file. |
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| 03:33.00 | r31n3r | irep: there's a module called eth0? |
| 03:33.12 | kristijonas | is it save editing grub to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="acpi_osi=Linux" ? |
| 03:33.37 | kristijonas | safe* |
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| 03:37.51 | zykotick9 | kristijonas: backlight issues? |
| 03:38.52 | kristijonas | zykotick9, http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=102397 Desktop effects on KDE do not work even I now finally have nvidia non-free drivers installed. |
| 03:40.25 | zykotick9 | kristijonas: i see. well i certainly can't help with your actual issue. i doubt acpi_osi=Linux will help, but maybe? it's unlikely to hurt anything, and you can always undo your change. i'd just try "e" at grub menu to test it once to see if it works, before editing grub permanently. |
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| 03:41.39 | kristijonas | zykotick9, what is the "e"? |
| 03:42.03 | zykotick9 | kristijonas: it allows you to Edit the grub line, on a one-time basis |
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| 03:43.00 | kristijonas | zykotick9, so the change affects grub only the first time after editting? |
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| 03:43.18 | zykotick9 | kristijonas: yes, it's one time only with the "e" option |
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| 03:44.15 | zykotick9 | kristijonas: to make changes permanent you need to edit /etc/default/grub then run "update-grub" as root. TEST IT FIRST ;) |
| 03:44.29 | KsM | and then maybe check dmesg to see that there are no errors |
| 03:44.34 | KsM | before saving |
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| 03:44.38 | arch | ay niggas |
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| 03:44.54 | kristijonas | zykotick9, so how to use "e"? |
| 03:44.58 | arch | can i sing to you guys? |
| 03:45.04 | arch | if i dont get a response ills start singing |
| 03:45.08 | KsM | no |
| 03:45.09 | zykotick9 | kristijonas: when the system boot, and you see grub press e |
| 03:45.15 | arch | but i want to sign |
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| 03:45.45 | kristijonas | zyko, okay, and then i'll be able to edit grub file, right? |
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| 03:46.23 | zykotick9 | kristijonas: the grub LINE only, and i think it's ctrl-x to boot, but confirm that - i'm pretty sure it's typed on the grub screen somewhere. |
| 03:46.56 | KsM | select, 'e', edit, 'F10' or 'ctrl-x' to boot |
| 03:48.48 | kristijonas | zykotick9, so is it "E" as you said before or "Ctrl -X" as you say now? |
| 03:48.57 | kristijonas | KsM, , ok. |
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| 03:49.24 | zykotick9 | kristijonas: e to edit, ctrl-x to boot |
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| 03:50.04 | kristijonas | zykotick9, thank you, i'll try. ) |
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| 04:45.28 | jgiorgi_ | dmesg shows e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: 10/100 speed: disabling TSO then nic link down and link up repeatedly, any idea what's causing this |
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| 05:23.58 | _jacks | hi, i dist-upgraded from sqeeze to sid, gnome was working prior to the upgrade, post install i reinstalled the graphics drivers (amd ati) and gdm3 loads a login screen, i login and the desktop is blank, it's just showing a desktop background and no icons,menubar etc .. anyone had a similar issue and knows how i can resolve this? |
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| 05:25.20 | _jacks | i assume it must be fairly common and has an easy fix -- i just can't think of it. |
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| 05:25.53 | DrakkenWarr | in my experience _jacks a dist-upgrade from squeeze to sid brings nothing but problems |
| 05:26.17 | DrakkenWarr | I had to do a fresh install to my / partition to fix most of the issues when I tried the same migration. |
| 05:26.27 | _jacks | there were a whole bunch of packages that i needed in sid though, that had alot more functionality |
| 05:26.30 | irep | Can anyone help me install drivers for Atheros ethernet? |
| 05:26.57 | _jacks | is there a way to find out what isn't being loaded by gdm3 |
| 05:27.19 | DrakkenWarr | That they do _jacks. The same reason I made the switch. But like I said. If you have a designated / partition. It's not all that much of an issue to get thing back to normal |
| 05:27.32 | fluffywolf | so, I'm having an annoying this-is-what-I-get-for-mixing-releases issue... several upgrades want to upgrade gcc, removing the old version - which would break compiling anything for my current kernel, compiled with said old version. Is there a way to fix this other than a kernal upgrade, which I can't do due to driver-blob issues? shouldn't gcc versions co-exist? |
| 05:27.33 | DrakkenWarr | not that I know of |
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| 05:28.13 | irep | Has anyone installed the alx driver on their computer? |
| 05:29.11 | irep | Nobody else has an Atheros ethernet card? |
| 05:29.19 | nkuttler | fluffywolf: you should probably get on a real release and package the legacy gcc yourself |
| 05:29.40 | zykotick9 | irep: do you know the pciid of the device? perhaps judd can help? use "lspci -nn" and look for something like [11ab:6121] |
| 05:29.58 | DrakkenWarr | fluffywolf, when you do a mix and match-hodge-podge it is hard to give ya help. Being most of us would not know where to start |
| 05:30.27 | fluffywolf | DrakkenWarr: yeah, hence the "this is what I get" bit. :P |
| 05:30.50 | zykotick9 | frankendebian is a monster ;) |
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| 05:31.27 | fluffywolf | irep: I have an atheros ethernet card in my netbook... it just works, except for when it just doesn't, just like the atheros wifi it has too... I couldn't figure out the stability issues. |
| 05:31.39 | irep | I think it's [1969:1090] |
| 05:31.53 | zykotick9 | ,pciid 1969:1090 |
| 05:31.54 | judd | [1969:1090] is 'AR8162 Fast Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1090 |
| 05:32.19 | zykotick9 | irep: i don't think that's a good sign. good luck. |
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| 05:33.22 | irep | How about a Realtek wifi adapter with pciid 10ec:8176? |
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| 05:33.38 | fluffywolf | zykotick9: yes, this box is rather frankendebianish... there's everything from original packages from a decade or so ago when it was first installed (like xmms! why was xmms removed?!) to libc from sid. :) |
| 05:33.49 | zykotick9 | irep: try "/msg judd pciid 10ec:8176" and see what it says. |
| 05:33.58 | fluffywolf | it's the sid libc and similar that's causing problems now, methinks... |
| 05:34.31 | zykotick9 | fluffywolf: best of luck with that then ;) gosh, i'd almost forgotten i used to miss xmms ;) |
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| 05:34.55 | irep | ? |
| 05:35.04 | fluffywolf | the current problem is stupid though... cmake got removed when installing something else, and I can't get it to re-install without aptitude trying to screw up badly. |
| 05:35.26 | irep | It just printed *judd* pciid 10ec:8176 |
| 05:36.14 | zykotick9 | irep: did you look for a PM from judd? |
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| 05:36.52 | irep | oh ok its a pm |
| 05:37.41 | irep | no known kernel module in squeeze but kernel module rtl8192ce in sid |
| 05:37.42 | fluffywolf | ah, aptitude is refusing to install sid's cmake unless I force it to... and now the frankendebian gets even worse. :) |
| 05:37.58 | irep | ...so do i have to install sid? |
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| 05:38.21 | nkuttler | irep: to build a newer kernel? certainly not |
| 05:38.32 | zykotick9 | irep: be aware that you could try backports, or you should try backports first |
| 05:38.45 | _jacks | i decide to purge xorg,x11-common,gnome etc and reinstall and hopefully that fixes the desktop issue.. i assume it has to be one of the packages |
| 05:38.49 | BenNZ | fluffywolf: youre at least using some form of apt pinning i hope |
| 05:39.09 | _jacks | can you verify gnome is working on sid in general ? |
| 05:40.04 | fluffywolf | benf: when I need a newer version of something, I use =whatever, and see if aptitude can find a way to make it work. usually involves lots of use of the "r" command, and it complaing it's using too much time and asking if I want it to keep trying. |
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| 05:40.36 | fluffywolf | grr, broken autocomplete. |
| 05:40.42 | fluffywolf | BenNZ: |
| 05:40.46 | _jacks | is anyone here running gnome on sid? |
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| 05:40.47 | nkuttler | fluffywolf: and all of this because of some binary kernel blob you think you need? |
| 05:41.02 | nkuttler | fluffywolf: that doesn't seem to make any sense |
| 05:41.05 | irep | Backports has a firmware package available, but I have to build realtek's drivers myself |
| 05:41.24 | civillian | I have some processes that show up owned by user 503, yet 503 is a local user in /etc/passwd. Why doesn't it resolve [Dthe user ID properly? |
| 05:41.43 | irep | which would be no problem except for the endless dependencies of build-essential when installing manually |
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| 05:42.08 | nkuttler | irep: endless dependencies? |
| 05:42.37 | _jacks | civillian: getent passwd 503 |
| 05:42.54 | irep | it has to have lots of libraries, some of which seem to depend on different versions of themselves |
| 05:42.55 | zykotick9 | civillian: are you using wheezy? most of my "ps aux" is UID instead of names... |
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| 05:43.40 | civillian | _jacks: shows the line out of /etc/passwd |
| 05:43.55 | civillian | zykotick9: yes, this is for 'ps aux'. interesting. |
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| 05:46.10 | irep | When I run dpkg -i firmware-realtek.deb, it ends with "update-initramfs: /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd-64 has been altered. (newline) update-initramfs: Cannot update. Override with -t option." |
| 05:46.52 | zykotick9 | irep: rather then installing the DEBs, you really should add teh repo and install that way. |
| 05:47.14 | irep | But I don't have internet access to get to the repo. |
| 05:47.30 | zykotick9 | irep: right, sorry! duhhh. |
| 05:48.17 | irep | I think I altered the initrd.img when I tried installing the atheros drivers |
| 05:48.34 | irep | any way to revert it to the original? |
| 05:48.38 | zykotick9 | irep: no wired or wireless - that's a big pain! good luck. |
| 05:49.13 | fluffywolf | double-ended usb cable? usb network adapter? |
| 05:49.21 | fluffywolf | pcmcia/expresscard adapter? |
| 05:49.27 | fluffywolf | got to be some way to network it. :) |
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| 05:50.29 | irep | We dont have a usb network adapter, though I might have to get one. I have a pcmcia card lying around somewhere, but my laptop doesnt have the port. |
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| 05:52.56 | fluffywolf | waits for openscad to build, and dreams of a faster box |
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| 05:54.08 | irep | So, should I just get a usb adapter for installing it? |
| 05:54.43 | fluffywolf | I'd let you borrow one, but the chances of you being anywhere near here are approximately nil. |
| 05:55.06 | irep | Any chance you live close to Birmingham, Alabama? |
| 05:55.41 | fluffywolf | nope |
| 05:56.28 | irep | Ah, oh well. looks like officemax has some relatively cheap. I'll have to look around. Goodnight, everyone. |
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| 05:58.19 | fluffywolf | nor do I ever plan to go to alabama... fucking backwards state labels me a criminal just because I have more than five dildos... |
| 05:58.46 | Deece | Anyone know why gnu sort under debian 6 (coreutils 8.5) wouldn't have support for the --parallel flag? under arch with coreutils 8.2 I have it. |
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| 06:01.42 | fluffywolf | hrmm, cc1plus is using 471MB of ram and my box is swapping hard... that seems excessive... |
| 06:03.25 | fluffywolf | 575 and growing... wtf. |
| 06:03.55 | fluffywolf | did that manage to devise an input file that breaks g++? heh |
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| 06:05.54 | Deece | ah, figured it out - i'm running 8.20 on arch, not 8.2 |
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| 06:07.33 | fluffywolf | 632MB and still growing... |
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| 06:07.49 | fluffywolf | running out of both ram and swap |
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| 06:17.06 | fluffywolf | bbl, wolfy bedtime |
| 06:19.50 | fluffywolf | grrr! and upgrading to the latest CGAL still didn't fix the constant crashes. |
| 06:19.56 | fluffywolf | bbl |
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| 06:42.46 | factor | Does anyone know if testing is working this week |
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| 06:49.05 | zykotick9 | factor: i'm not sure about daily/weeklys BUT the b4 works |
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| 06:49.25 | factor | oh ok |
| 06:50.02 | factor | zykotick9, can you give me the link again to b4 |
| 06:50.21 | zykotick9 | factor: i'd have to go looking for one as well... |
| 06:51.58 | factor | zykotick9, does the b4 image require a cdrom |
| 06:52.09 | factor | or special mount a usb stick. |
| 06:52.14 | zykotick9 | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ a cd/dvd/usb |
| 06:52.20 | factor | yes I ffound it |
| 06:52.34 | zykotick9 | factor: cat (or dd) it to the usb and you should be good |
| 06:52.41 | factor | even though it booted usb , it still wanted a cdrom on the system |
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| 06:52.58 | zykotick9 | factor: what did you use to create it? |
| 06:53.03 | factor | cat |
| 06:53.11 | factor | it booted |
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| 06:53.12 | zykotick9 | that's odd. |
| 06:53.19 | factor | and went through the installer |
| 06:53.26 | factor | but the stable instalelr only wants cdrom |
| 06:53.33 | factor | its not usb aware. |
| 06:53.37 | factor | usb only |
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| 06:53.43 | zykotick9 | squeeze is hybrid? |
| 06:53.45 | factor | i imagine if i had a cdrom it would have went on |
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| 06:53.55 | factor | its a hybrid but the installer wanted cdrom |
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| 06:54.15 | factor | I will try the b4 version this though |
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| 07:09.14 | darsie | What's the current debian version number? |
| 07:09.34 | LtL | darsie: 6.0.6 |
| 07:09.40 | darsie | ok |
| 07:10.01 | darsie | Looks like there is no skype for the current debian version. |
| 07:10.27 | LtL | darsie: I don't think so, no |
| 07:10.41 | darsie | on skype.com they only have a version for debian 7.0. |
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| 07:11.04 | darsie | Aptitude recently uninstalled my old skype. |
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| 07:14.50 | darsie | found /home/bernhard/skype-debian_2.2.0.35-1_i386.deb |
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| 07:16.35 | factor | ok rebooting to see if b4 will install on a usb only system |
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| 07:24.21 | darsie | does testing have a version number? |
| 07:24.32 | zykotick9 | darsie: 7 |
| 07:24.48 | darsie | Ok, that implies yes :). |
| 07:24.59 | zykotick9 | darsie: well, wheezy is 7 - which is currently testing ;) |
| 07:25.36 | darsie | Does sid have a version number? |
| 07:25.44 | zykotick9 | darsie: no. |
| 07:25.49 | darsie | k :) |
| 07:26.28 | nkuttler | testing neither |
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| 07:26.39 | darsie | I hear some disagreement :). |
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| 07:26.57 | LtL | wheezy will be 7 |
| 07:27.02 | nkuttler | it will be 7.0 at some point, but referring to it as 7.0 now is not right |
| 07:27.09 | darsie | thx |
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| 07:27.27 | darsie | skype.com has a skype version for debian 7.0 ... |
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| 07:27.56 | zykotick9 | nkuttler: lsb_release shows 7.0 and wheezy... right now ;) |
| 07:28.09 | nkuttler | zykotick9: that's because it *will* be 7.0 somewhen... |
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| 07:28.25 | nkuttler | zykotick9: and the version string obviously has to be in the os |
| 07:29.18 | zykotick9 | nkuttler: i agree with you, in "testing neither" why i corrected myself to say "wheezy" is 7. you point about it not being 7 now, i'm not as convinced. |
| 07:30.57 | nkuttler | so testing has no version number, but wheezy, which is testing, does? |
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| 07:31.25 | KsM | it has to get a number before it's made stable |
| 07:31.46 | nkuttler | it's also bizarre that debian 7.0 today would mean something different than, say, in a year |
| 07:32.13 | LtL | its beats lsb_release ? |
| 07:32.55 | darsie | Is it possible that the next stable will be 6.5? Or 8? |
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| 07:33.26 | zykotick9 | darsie: wheezy will always by 7.X, and it'll be the next stable |
| 07:33.45 | darsie | ok |
| 07:34.16 | LtL | darsie: theres a stable point release due february 28th. 6.0.7 for what it's worth. |
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| 07:35.53 | zykotick9 | darsie: stable's point isn't going to help with your skype issue, which requires wheezy ;) also you might want to see "/msg dpkg skype" (it's not really supported in #d, for the reasons given) |
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| 07:36.43 | LtL | zykotick9: true, didn't mean to allude to that. |
| 07:37.02 | darsie | My skype problem is solved for the moment, as I found and installed /home/bernhard/skype-debian_2.2.0.35-1_i386.deb |
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| 07:37.56 | homes | when HP says they support Debian, is that 'support' as in they'll help you get Debian running on their HW, or 'support' as in if you have an issue that isn't related to their HW, they'll help you? |
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| 07:39.25 | darsie | homes: You could ask that the HP support. |
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| 07:40.19 | LtL | HP would say anything if it helps their bottom line |
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| 07:42.29 | homes | what LtL says |
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| 07:43.28 | homes | when you're looking at these really fucking expensive support contracts, i want to know what other customers say. their sales team will tell me $X, because they're paid on commission |
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| 07:45.06 | LtL | if you're willing to spend countless hours on the telephone and pay them, they're down with that. |
| 07:45.36 | LtL | anyway that's OT |
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| 07:48.13 | dsds | hey. whats a good alternative to update-rc.d? |
| 07:48.36 | dsds | samba fails to start when I "update-rc.d samba defaults" |
| 07:48.43 | zykotick9 | dsds: i like rcconf myself |
| 07:48.51 | dsds | let me try that |
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| 07:50.54 | darsie | We need video conferencing so remote people can participate in a local meeting. They should see us and we should see them. Is there something that works? |
| 07:51.29 | darsie | see/hear |
| 07:52.16 | darsie | ideally cross OS, mac/linux/windows. |
| 07:52.52 | homes | darsie: is it two end points? |
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| 07:53.23 | darsie | It's one big meeting and several remote ppl. |
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| 07:54.18 | darsie | big meeting = like 20-40 ppl in a room. |
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| 07:54.56 | nkuttler | darsie: hm, not sure if so many are possible, but have a look at google hangouts |
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| 07:55.22 | darsie | hmm, I'll pass that on. I don't use google hangout. |
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| 07:56.37 | darsie | I was thinking like one stream of the meeting to every remote person and a thumbnail of each remote person on a beamer screen and enlarging one if s/he talks. |
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| 08:06.31 | powerboxxx | I added a nullroute using 'ip route add blackhole <IP-HERE>, but when I try to delete it using 'route del -host <IP-here>'. I get this error 'SIOCDELRT: No such process' |
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| 08:22.10 | duffduff | hi, I'm using wheezy and not quite happy with the look and feel of gnome 3. Is there a way to go back to gnome 2? |
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| 08:23.55 | jalalsfs | duffduff, You can use Mate, or basically use gnome classic. |
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| 08:28.53 | powerboxxx | I added a nullroute using 'ip route add blackhole <IP-HERE>, but when I try to delete it using 'route del -host <IP-here>'. I get this error 'SIOCDELRT: No such process' |
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| 08:29.17 | powerboxxx | THe commands I've tried |
| 08:29.25 | powerboxxx | route del -net <IP-HERE> netmask 255.255.255.255 reject |
| 08:29.31 | powerboxxx | didn't work |
| 08:30.07 | powerboxxx | route del -host <IP-HERE> reject also |
| 08:30.09 | homes | makes note to learn how to use the ip cmd so ifconfig can die |
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| 08:31.49 | powerboxxx | sup homie |
| 08:31.59 | powerboxxx | yo yo |
| 08:32.30 | homes | yo boxie |
| 08:32.50 | powerboxxx | how goes it brotha |
| 08:33.24 | homes | not bad, installing LFS |
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| 08:33.49 | powerboxxx | Wow, good for you |
| 08:34.00 | cjfs | route del -host IP reject? |
| 08:34.00 | homes | slow process on this atom |
| 08:34.36 | powerboxxx | cjfs: SIOCDELRT: No such process |
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| 08:35.16 | cjfs | oops, missed that |
| 08:35.18 | cjfs | disregard |
| 08:35.35 | powerboxxx | route -n |
| 08:35.37 | powerboxxx | shows this |
| 08:35.38 | powerboxxx | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 08:35.38 | powerboxxx | XX.XX.XX.XX 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 * |
| 08:35.52 | powerboxxx | I read this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1183541 |
| 08:36.11 | powerboxxx | I should put 'reject' if the flags is !H |
| 08:36.19 | powerboxxx | but the flags is UH |
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| 08:36.28 | powerboxxx | I don't know what will I put |
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| 08:37.21 | powerboxxx | homes, help me brotha |
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| 08:37.35 | powerboxxx | I need yow skillzzzzz dawg |
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| 08:39.39 | powerboxxx | I already search around google but couldn't get any correct results. |
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| 08:43.01 | peterrooney | powerboxxx: don't expect stuff intended for ubuntu to work on debian. try "/msg dpkg based on debian" |
| 08:44.35 | powerboxxx | Solved |
| 08:44.45 | powerboxxx | ip route del blackhole <IP-HERE> |
| 08:44.51 | powerboxxx | works perfectly! |
| 08:44.57 | cjfs | success! |
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| 08:46.23 | homes | powerboxxx: i aint got the routing mojo brother |
| 08:46.26 | lledu | Anybody use wicd to connect wifi? Why I always got error: bad password? I google it before, but it doen't work for me. Any suggestions? |
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| 08:47.28 | homes | lledu: could configure wifi directly in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:50.23 | duffduff | jalalsfs: sorry, I went AFK and didn't respond to your message. I tried gnome classic, but it looks pretty much the same as gnome3. I don't have icons on the bar or abbility to right-click on the background, etc. |
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| 08:50.43 | duffduff | jalalsfs: what is Mate? |
| 08:51.08 | lledu | homes: interface is no problem, the password is ok too. but why it says bad password? |
| 08:51.13 | duffduff | just read through wiki |
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| 08:51.23 | duffduff | sounds exactly like what I am looking for |
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| 08:54.24 | jalalsfs | duffduff, MATE is a fork of Gnome 2 |
| 08:54.48 | jalalsfs | duffduff, http://mate-desktop.org/ |
| 08:55.49 | jalalsfs | duffduff, http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download |
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| 08:59.39 | r4co0n | Can someone point me to some documentation/tutorial about a virtual mail system with exim4, dovecot2 and mysql? I found some that does suit my needs, but no one seems to work with salted password storage... To be run on squeeze |
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| 09:13.52 | homes | brontosaurusrex: or /etc/cron.d |
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| 09:17.57 | homes | brontosaurusrex: or for a one off...at |
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| 09:19.26 | axion | is there a package for 'cpupower'? |
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| 09:26.56 | streuner_ | axion, is lshw | grep -i cpu , enough? |
| 09:28.05 | axion | that requires lshw, when cpupower is from the kernel tree and exists on other distros as a package... |
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| 09:29.15 | streuner_ | so just use cat and search in /proc :-) |
| 09:29.59 | streuner_ | cat /proc/cpuinfo looks fine to me :-) |
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| 09:30.22 | axion | thats what i'm doing on my debian box at the moment |
| 09:30.35 | axion | but my aliases from network mounted homes dont agree |
| 09:30.45 | axion | as /proc is not always the same across kernels/distros |
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| 09:32.01 | axion | and cpuinfo does not suffice on all devices |
| 09:32.16 | axion | take for instance raspberry pi, will always should the lowest clock speed, not current |
| 09:32.27 | axion | should=show |
| 09:32.47 | axion | might even be specific to ARM |
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| 09:40.58 | rccc | hello |
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| 09:41.22 | rccc | i have the same problem listed here : www.mentby.com/Group/debian-user/no-sound-with-new-install.html |
| 09:41.32 | rccc | no sound on my debian wheezy |
| 09:42.13 | rccc | the guys says to download alsa from their website and then compile it with linux header and linux-source |
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| 09:42.23 | rccc | i want to try this |
| 09:43.01 | rccc | should i remove alsa ( that was installed via apt ) before doing this ? |
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| 09:43.12 | rccc | thanks by advance |
| 09:44.06 | homes | heh, df -a...never new there was more stuff mounted! |
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| 09:44.48 | hanibana | hi, this iptables rule: // iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 8080 // to redirect 80 to 8080 does not work. Any clue?! |
| 09:44.56 | Iridos | rccc, which of the multiple issues people seem to have in that lengthly thread is yours anyway? |
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| 09:46.07 | Posterdati | please I've got problem with kde on wheezy: kwin freezes the session at login, only killing kdm and relogin fixes the problem |
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| 09:47.28 | rccc | Iridos: the fact that i have no sound |
| 09:47.56 | rccc | as i said no sound on my debian wheezy |
| 09:48.08 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:52.17 | rccc | Iridos: i just ask a question : should i remove the installed alsa package befre download it and compile it |
| 09:52.28 | rccc | from thier website |
| 09:52.32 | rccc | *their |
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| 09:53.32 | Iridos | hard to say... generally you shouldn't install stuff like this outside the package system... independent of if you remove or not, there will be problems, just different ones |
| 09:54.20 | Iridos | installing from their website will among other things replace the kernel module or add a new one to the tree (which is the component you probably want/need) |
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| 09:54.47 | Iridos | if you have the packages installed, you will overwrite the files from it |
| 09:55.17 | rccc | Iridos: ok |
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| 09:55.31 | Iridos | if you try to remove alsa packages... well, dunno if you can. other packages can depend on it |
| 09:55.59 | rccc | but the packaged alsa does not work with my sound chipset |
| 09:56.04 | rccc | ... |
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| 09:57.08 | rccc | the problem comes with this : Realtek ALC887-VD |
| 09:57.14 | Iridos | yeah... so go ahead. perhaps try just copying the kernel module in first and use the alsa-utils and alsa-base (config files) from the system |
| 09:57.34 | rccc | ok thanks |
| 09:58.01 | Iridos | if that doesn't work think what you can handle better... a year or so from now when you forgot about it and weird stuff happens on an upgrade :) |
| 09:58.53 | Iridos | hm |
| 09:59.31 | Iridos | actually, there's also module-assistant for this kind of thing |
| 09:59.45 | Iridos | only... yesterday or so someone said that's deprecated(?) |
| 10:00.01 | rccc | is it a package |
| 10:00.02 | rccc | ? |
| 10:00.16 | Iridos | yeah, one for compiling kernel-modules |
| 10:00.23 | rccc | ok |
| 10:00.30 | Iridos | judd, versions alsa-source |
| 10:00.31 | judd | Package: alsa-source on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4; squeeze: 1.0.23+dfsg-2 |
| 10:00.47 | Iridos | argh... that doesn't look so great |
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| 10:01.34 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 10:01.35 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.7-trunk-686-pae (3.7.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.35-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 10:02.32 | Iridos | hm. there's also a 3.7 kernel in experimental... |
| 10:04.07 | rccc | gonna ask the alsa guys |
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| 10:14.22 | shomon | hi, how do I share a drive on a windows network, or so it can appear to other linux users under "browse network" in the file manager? |
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| 10:14.33 | shomon | or not a drive.. even just a folder |
| 10:14.39 | jellf | hi all |
| 10:15.08 | shomon | hiya |
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| 10:28.16 | Iridos | shomon, samba |
| 10:28.42 | shomon | hi.. ok installing it :) |
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| 10:29.43 | Iridos | dpkg, samba |
| 10:29.43 | dpkg | Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). Documentation resources: http://samba.org/samba/docs/ , http://wiki.samba.org/ . Backported packages are available, ask me about <bdo>. http://samba.org/samba/docs/FAQ/ http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Category:Category_FAQ http://samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>, <dfs>. |
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| 10:38.16 | jellf | there is a link for build a webserver with debian? |
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| 10:40.34 | shomon | dpkg: apache |
| 10:40.34 | dpkg | Apache HTTPD is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server. Ask me about <apache2>, <install apache2>, <apache manual>. See also <cnrd>, <userdir>, <htaccess>. http://wiki.debian.org/Apache http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/FAQ http://httpd.apache.org/ #httpd on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 10:43.09 | jellf | shomon: thereis a doc for build a good performance of apache |
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| 10:43.53 | xcheng | nginx ftw |
| 10:45.18 | multi_io | why does no desktop environment support setting environment variables for the whole desktop, such that newly started processes see them? |
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| 10:45.30 | jellf | xcheng: ngix |
| 10:45.35 | jellf | xcheng: nginx |
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| 10:46.54 | xcheng | multi_io: guessing... would be pretty inefficient to refresh environment every time a process is spawned |
| 10:47.20 | xcheng | could work with "smart" refreshes |
| 10:47.44 | xcheng | but none bothers to "fix" it |
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| 10:48.42 | brontosaurusrex | jellf: what kind of page? |
| 10:50.11 | ruslanas | hello, i am using debian with KDE 4.8.4 and kmail 1.13.7 ; and kmail is configured with pgp key; sometimes it do not signs my messages and when i came to Settings > Configure > Identities > Cryptography and i cannot see my key, then i pres change and get error message that says "Cannot allocate memory" |
| 10:50.16 | ruslanas | when i relaunch kmail everything is ok |
| 10:50.21 | ruslanas | my memory usage during error was: Mem: 7856 7607 248 0 0 1669 |
| 10:50.25 | ruslanas | any ideas? |
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| 10:51.15 | multi_io | xcheng: why refresh? Just set the variable in the environment of the desktop process, which launches all programs as child processes, which mean they'll inherit the environment... |
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| 10:53.45 | xcheng | environment data is passed in the same manner as program arguments iirc |
| 10:54.12 | xcheng | new processes inherit from parent when they are forked |
| 10:54.32 | xcheng | but from that point on they are detached |
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| 10:55.57 | xcheng | so essentially they have their own set of env variables |
| 10:56.50 | xcheng | set/copy |
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| 11:00.18 | ChrisH | ruslanas: can you show me free -m ; top -n 1 | head -15 |
| 11:00.32 | ChrisH | ruslanas: on paste.debian.net to get an idea |
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| 11:01.57 | multi_io | xcheng: right. I was only talking about processes started after the environment is changed in the desktop. Those should inherit the new environment. |
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| 11:03.07 | xcheng | like similar behavior in a shell? |
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| 11:05.30 | ruslanas | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/234113/ |
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| 11:08.19 | Iridos | you have no swap whatsoever? |
| 11:08.53 | ChrisH | ruslanas: I cannot see swap and over 7GB of the 8GB installed are in use. So lets check which proccess do eat up the memory |
| 11:08.58 | ruslanas | Iridos: yes, no swap |
| 11:09.01 | DummyMode | good morning |
| 11:09.21 | ruslanas | ChrisH: google-crome |
| 11:09.26 | multi_io | xcheng: yes |
| 11:09.55 | ruslanas | i have installed unstable from deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main < repo |
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| 11:10.40 | ChrisH | ruslanas: run LANG=C ps -efl | sort -k+10n | tail -15 |
| 11:11.45 | Morrolan | Been having some issues with cpu frequency scaling. Trying a 'modprobe acpi_cpufreq' leads to 'FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device' |
| 11:11.51 | Morrolan | Cool 'n Quiet is enabled in the BIOS. |
| 11:12.18 | xcheng | multi_io: ah, i guess it could be useful if there was a tool that could change the environment variables... |
| 11:12.46 | ruslanas | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/234116/ |
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| 11:13.55 | xcheng | apparently not useful enough for others to bother building it |
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| 11:15.54 | ChrisH | ruslanas: looks like chrome is leaking memory. I stop my chromium instances at least once a day therefore. Is the load still > 1 ? (show uptime output here please) |
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| 11:17.44 | ruslanas | ChrisH: i closed ggl-chrome |
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| 11:19.03 | ChrisH | ruslanas: add swapspace |
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| 11:19.40 | ruslanas | and exited ggl run in background |
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| 11:20.26 | babilen | ruslanas: Oh, and please don't cross-post -- Now I have to read /everything/ in here again in order to understand what has been done about your issue. |
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| 11:23.11 | ruslanas | after restart of kmail everything goes fine |
| 11:23.32 | ChrisH | ruslanas: What about uptime output? |
| 11:23.59 | ruslanas | ChrisH: load average: 0.18, 0.24, 0.43 |
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| 11:24.30 | ChrisH | ruslanas: OK. in your top it was > 1 |
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| 11:25.09 | ruslanas | babilen: by the way, why i have posted to both channels, because sometimes debian channel do not help when using debian testing :) |
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| 11:26.22 | ruslanas | ChrisH: hm, I was thinking some day ago, that maybe i should try to install ggl-chrome-stable, maybe it will fix my problems... |
| 11:26.28 | babilen | ruslanas: So, do you still have memory related problems? |
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| 11:27.14 | ruslanas | babilen: at the moment no, but it will apear... :) |
| 11:27.18 | ruslanas | in some days :) |
| 11:27.22 | babilen | ruslanas: Well, testing (and unstable) is explicitly supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and a number of regulars are in all three channels (or should!) |
| 11:27.31 | ruslanas | after not closing kmail |
| 11:28.09 | ChrisH | ruslanas: maybe using chromium from debian repos is more the debian way |
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| 11:28.45 | ruslanas | also, sometimes kmail takes moch memory too... but i managed to handle it by reniceing kmail and ggl-chrome |
| 11:29.24 | ruslanas | ChrisH: that's a choice i think... |
| 11:31.36 | ruslanas | ok, thanks to you ChrisH and babilen I will try to reproduse this with other wersions of chrome or chromium, and let debian-team know about it... do not want to post bugs because it may be my problems, have a nice days. |
| 11:32.04 | ChrisH | ruslanas: nice is not expected to chance anything on memory usage. |
| 11:32.23 | ruslanas | ChrisH: yes, but other apps a moving better :) |
| 11:32.51 | ruslanas | such like desktop... |
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| 11:34.09 | ruslanas | moving = performing |
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| 11:37.59 | pythonsnake | hi |
| 11:38.15 | pythonsnake | is it possible to install gstreamer >1.0 on squeeze? |
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| 11:42.51 | jacksmithz | how stable is debian testing, when testing is NOT frozen ? |
| 11:43.32 | ChrisH | jacksmithz: depends on you definition of stable... _I_ use testing for desktop system |
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| 11:43.53 | ectospasm | when testing is not frozen, it gets bug fixes slower than unstable |
| 11:44.11 | ectospasm | ...so could be less secure than unstable, and definitely less secure than stable. |
| 11:44.16 | ectospasm | jacksmithz: ^ |
| 11:44.40 | ectospasm | Only use testing if you're willing to suffer through any transient instability |
| 11:44.51 | jacksmithz | allright thanks |
| 11:44.51 | ectospasm | ...same could be said for unstable, too |
| 11:48.22 | themill | jacksmithz: transient instability (and uninstallability) is most definitely the case for unstable. /msg dpkg moving target |
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| 11:52.28 | eyedea | spotify: error while loading shared libraries: libQtNetwork.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:52.34 | eyedea | How do I install LibQtnetwork? |
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| 12:04.22 | ChrisH | eyedea: aptitude search spotify does not show up anything, so it does not seem to be anything debian packaged. |
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| 12:08.49 | Iridos | dpkg, tell eyedea about apt-file |
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| 12:09.27 | Iridos | eyedea, the library file is in libqt4-network |
| 12:09.58 | Iridos | well, and in ia32-libs-gtk for 32-bit programs on amd64 systems |
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| 12:20.00 | neon__ | my cpu ghz is on 2, even though the usage is high |
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| 12:20.22 | neon__ | one cpu is on 100% |
| 12:20.30 | neon__ | wtf |
| 12:21.10 | ChrisH | neon__: thanks this information, what is your question? |
| 12:22.00 | neon__ | hi ChrisH , guess |
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| 12:23.54 | ChrisH | !smart questions |
| 12:23.54 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 12:26.21 | harmaahylje | lets play the guess game? |
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| 12:29.01 | Iridos | harmaahylje, 42 |
| 12:29.22 | neon__ | ChrisH, I think you should read that one too |
| 12:29.28 | ChrisH | Iridos: you are right |
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| 12:29.57 | fontprob | hey guys |
| 12:30.22 | fontprob | i updated and upgraded debian last night |
| 12:30.27 | fontprob | and now im having this problem |
| 12:30.32 | fontprob | http://postimage.org/image/b03us82mh/ |
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| 12:30.40 | fontprob | how do i fix it, i dont see anything |
| 12:30.52 | harmaahylje | oh my :D |
| 12:31.05 | fontprob | its all boxes oh my god |
| 12:31.10 | harmaahylje | that is something really |
| 12:31.13 | ChrisH | fontprob: did you restart the DE? |
| 12:31.28 | fontprob | i restarted my pc and its not solved |
| 12:31.41 | fontprob | i donno what to do really |
| 12:31.46 | shomon | I usually agree with esr |
| 12:31.47 | shomon | he has a gun |
| 12:32.58 | ChrisH | fontprob: OK. does dpkg -l show any upper case letters in the first 2 columns? instead of ii ? |
| 12:33.21 | fontprob | its all boxes |
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| 12:33.32 | ChrisH | fontprob: I assume its all OK on tty1 or via ssh login. |
| 12:33.46 | matlock | so, what is kdeinit4 required for? |
| 12:34.21 | matlock | like i run a gnome system, but kdeinit4 is running, to my knowledge i don't have any kde apps installed, (i may though) so can i safely remove it without any ill effects? |
| 12:36.26 | ChrisH | fontprob: can you test with another user? To determine wether its a global or a user-specific issue. |
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| 12:37.32 | matlock | nvm, i use kmymoney |
| 12:37.45 | Kingsy | I am interested in using debian with xfce, which installer would be best to use for this? |
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| 12:42.07 | babilen | Kingsy: Do you have a working internet connection and is this for your personal use? |
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| 12:45.26 | Skilz | When I want to compile large programs, can I use my GPU to help the CPU? |
| 12:46.02 | homes | yes but don't bother. |
| 12:46.08 | Skilz | WHy? |
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| 12:46.16 | Towzzer | how long does it take to compile right now? |
| 12:46.36 | Skilz | 1 hour |
| 12:46.48 | Towzzer | wow |
| 12:46.51 | homes | get an 8 core cpu, make -j8 |
| 12:46.54 | bluesm | What is the meaning of "resource" field in Pidgin ? |
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| 12:47.07 | wwraith | tackles towzzer |
| 12:47.07 | Towzzer | what program is this? |
| 12:47.08 | Skilz | I have a quad core |
| 12:47.13 | Towzzer | hey WW |
| 12:47.19 | wwraith | sup ;p |
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| 12:48.26 | bluesm | Here : http://imgur.com/K03RR1D |
| 12:48.26 | Skilz | Can it be done? |
| 12:48.46 | shpank | bluesm: this identifies the device. you can enter laptop, mobile, tablet etc. |
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| 12:49.03 | shpank | it is useful if you use your jabber account with more than one device simultaneously |
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| 12:49.16 | jelly | Skilz: not easily. the highly parallel cores of GPUs don't deal well with that diverse a workload |
| 12:49.44 | shpank | with the priority value, you can specify which device gets new messages if you are logged in with more than one client at a time |
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| 12:50.22 | homes | Skilz: check out distcc if you can't get one machine fast enough |
| 12:50.43 | Skilz | thanks |
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| 12:51.28 | bluesm | shpank: In XMPP ? Device name in XMPP ? |
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| 12:55.04 | shpank | bluesm: yes, if you use xmpp |
| 12:55.33 | shpank | but nevermind the rant about the priority value. i don't think pidgin has a field to set that option. |
| 12:56.43 | homes | pidgin is a pretty shitty xmpp client, or any other protocol for that matter |
| 12:56.59 | shpank | i kinda like it. |
| 12:57.22 | shpank | and: everything is better than the xmpp client that's built into thunderbird. |
| 12:57.33 | Kingsy | babilen: sorry I was away there, yeah I have a working internet connection, and yes this is for personal use but its for my work PC, hence the reason for debian, it looks really stable and low bloat |
| 12:58.38 | babilen | Kingsy: Note that "stable" in the context of Debian means "not changing" and has very little to do with "unbroken" or "usable". See "/msg dpgk stable" for further details and keep in mind that Debian is /also/ stable in the other senses .. |
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| 12:59.36 | babilen | Kingsy: I simply ask because we will release a new stable version soonish (within the next months) and it is an option to use that version right now. I would recommend to do that and also to use an installer that simply downloads everything you need from the internet. |
| 12:59.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kingsy -about install xfce4 |
| 13:00.33 | babilen | Kingsy: Our bot just sent you a factoid which explains how you can install XFCE either by configuring the installer to do that if you install the Desktop task or afterwards. (I would simply configure the installer) |
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| 13:01.44 | babilen | Kingsy: The images that download everything from the internet are called netinst images and you can find those /with/ firmware for wheezy on http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/amd64/ (if those don't work (they are brand new) use the beta4 from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/) |
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| 13:02.16 | babilen | Kingsy: You can find further information on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/installmanual |
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| 13:03.38 | babilen | Kingsy: If you, however, prefer to install stable you can download the netinstall image from: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ -- You probably want to ask the bot about a couple of things, such as <firmware> <installer firmware> <netinst> <various cd1> (/msg dpkg various cd1) |
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| 13:04.04 | babilen | Kingsy: Please let me know if you would prefer stable as I would like to make sure that it supports your hardware (and so on) |
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| 13:23.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps whats the nm-applett thing for wifi? |
| 13:23.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | i cant seem to find it.. |
| 13:23.46 | Kingsy | babilen: wow.. all very cool information, I am going to take a look into installing this after my lunch, hopefully you will be around then, I will give you a shout. |
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| 13:29.50 | iQuestion | Hello |
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| 13:31.47 | mutagen_too | hi |
| 13:32.04 | mutagen_too | i'm trying to install using debootstrap .. |
| 13:32.24 | mutagen_too | after a while it got stuck wanting devices.tar.gz |
| 13:32.30 | mutagen_too | thing is .. |
| 13:32.35 | babilen | !enter |
| 13:32.36 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 13:32.46 | mutagen_too | chroot works |
| 13:32.54 | iQuestion | i have a question about resolv.conf that i'm not really sure that i understand... i found that on one server that it had a line that said search lan and i can see that the server has been generating a lot of root dns server traffic... from what i could see this search lan searches the local domain but if there is less than ndots it can be used for man-in-the-middle attack which will generate root dns traffic is this correct? |
| 13:33.12 | wsky | mutagen_too: change mirror |
| 13:33.40 | mutagen_too | wsky: ok .. but that means do it again |
| 13:34.09 | mutagen_too | wsky: chroot worked .. apt-get update too |
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| 13:34.32 | iQuestion | can someone explain to me what exactly happens with this "search lan" in resolv.conf --- and why it is generating this much traffic? |
| 13:34.35 | wsky | so what excly is not working? |
| 13:34.47 | mutagen_too | wsky: install |
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| 13:34.53 | wsky | what install |
| 13:35.13 | wsky | you've debootstrapped and chrooted to the new environment |
| 13:35.19 | mutagen_too | wsky: yes |
| 13:35.30 | wsky | so what is not working |
| 13:35.44 | mutagen_too | wsky: aptitude .. |
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| 13:35.50 | mutagen_too | wsky: apt-get source works |
| 13:35.52 | cyberbootje | hi, anyone knows if debian squeeze/wheezy is working on Dell h710 raid controller? |
| 13:35.52 | hroi | hi |
| 13:36.05 | mutagen_too | wsky: dpkg works |
| 13:36.22 | babilen | cyberbootje: Do you know their pciid ? |
| 13:36.23 | hroi | am I right that aptitude or dbpk keep their package records and install packages somewhere under /var ? |
| 13:36.25 | mutagen_too | wsky: but apt-get install is stuck |
| 13:36.45 | hroi | I am wanting to create a separate partition for /var, and wondering how big it needs to be |
| 13:36.47 | abrotman | hroi: huh? |
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| 13:36.59 | cyberbootje | babilen: no |
| 13:37.07 | wsky | mutagen_too: can you ping google from chrooted environment? |
| 13:37.16 | wsky | ping -c 5 google.com |
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| 13:37.21 | abrotman | ping is a horrible test |
| 13:37.23 | hroi | abrotman: ah you know... when you do apt-get clean, and apt-get update... where is all the stuff kept/deleted |
| 13:37.24 | mutagen_too | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.28 | mutagen_too | i can wget google |
| 13:37.36 | babilen | cyberbootje: name or any other information? You can check on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ -- Do you know which kernel supports them? |
| 13:37.52 | abrotman | hroi: in /var/, but packages are not generally installed there |
| 13:37.58 | abrotman | some are |
| 13:38.01 | wsky | mutagen_too: change the mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list then |
| 13:38.08 | hroi | abrotman: no, not installed there but they are kept... until apt-get clean |
| 13:38.28 | wsky | mutagen_too: and re-run apt-get update |
| 13:38.28 | hroi | abrotman: ok, hmm... that means /var/ needs to be substantial for comfort. |
| 13:38.39 | abrotman | hroi: but the size of /var/ is dependent on far more important things than where apt sotres things |
| 13:38.54 | mutagen_too | i did that already |
| 13:38.55 | abrotman | hroi: databases, logging, mail .. |
| 13:38.56 | hroi | abrotman: yeah log files mostly right? |
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| 13:39.08 | hroi | abrotman: which databases? |
| 13:39.17 | hroi | abrotman: I can ignore email |
| 13:39.32 | babilen | mutagen_too: Would you mind pasting actual output (see, for example, "/msg dpkg bat" for some pointers) to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 13:39.36 | mutagen_too | gives W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release: No keyring installed in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/. but i dont think this is important |
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| 13:39.45 | cyberbootje | babilen: i know redhat en suse are supported |
| 13:39.53 | abrotman | hroi: databases |
| 13:39.55 | babilen | mutagen_too: Please also elaborate how you debootstrapped the chroot |
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| 13:40.28 | mutagen_too | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 13:41.06 | babilen | cyberbootje: Well, I would be surprised if Debian is not, given that hardware support is mainly about the kernel. I can't give you any better information without at least knowing the name of the raid controller or its pciid (or /something/ about it) -- I will, however, now have lunch :) |
| 13:41.10 | mutagen_too | but i created the paths for debootstrap |
| 13:41.27 | mutagen_too | as they were not there |
| 13:41.34 | hroi | abrotman: ok I see, probably webservices things like that, including their db. |
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| 13:41.52 | hroi | abrotman: I suppose 10GB should be enough |
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| 13:41.55 | abrotman | hroi: you can relocate that DB data, but by default, they generally go there |
| 13:42.29 | cyberbootje | babilen: name is H710 |
| 13:42.37 | hroi | abrotman: can I easily let all log-files in /var/ keep from exceeding some fixed size? |
| 13:42.52 | babilen | hroi: Why don't you use LVM and leave some free space that you can later use to enlarge logical-volumes (and filesystems thereon) if the need arises. That way you don't have to make definite decisions right now ... |
| 13:43.11 | babilen | cyberbootje: I thought that is the name of the dell server, not the RAID controller |
| 13:43.18 | mutagen_too | wsky: :( ok delete again .. |
| 13:43.34 | mutagen_too | wsky: any mirrors you can recommend ? |
| 13:43.39 | hroi | babilen: yeah, you are right... I am already using that and I will be able to change it. |
| 13:43.49 | hroi | babilen: still good to get it right in one go. |
| 13:43.58 | cyberbootje | babilen: well it's this one: http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dell.com%2Fdownloads%2Fglobal%2Fproducts%2Fpvaul%2Fen%2Fdell-perc-h710p-spec-sheet.pdf&ei=AeocUeT5A_CV0QXdxICoBQ&usg=AFQjCNH_fIIDAcS11RluXcaTQzJcsJDnKQ |
| 13:44.10 | cyberbootje | sorry about that.. |
| 13:44.20 | cyberbootje | should have shortened the link |
| 13:45.06 | shomon | yeah deplorable ;) |
| 13:45.08 | cyberbootje | babilen: perc H710P |
| 13:45.15 | mutagen_too | but i could run debootsrtrap again .. |
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| 13:46.09 | cyberbootje | babilen: think the pciid should be 10281F31 |
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| 13:47.29 | abrotman | hroi: learn about logrotate |
| 13:48.04 | mutagen_too | retrieving *.deb again :( |
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| 13:48.49 | wsky | mutagen_too: i just told you to try a differnt mirror in chrooted /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:49.12 | wsky | mutagen_too: i recommend a mirror in your national domain or close to |
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| 13:49.42 | mutagen_too | wsky: well does selecting the mirror solve the problem ? |
| 13:50.02 | mutagen_too | wsky: after all a mirror hosts the same files ;) |
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| 13:50.55 | wsky | yes but they're different servers, if the problem happens even when you change your mirror we could exclude one issue |
| 13:51.08 | mutagen_too | no /usr/share/debootstrap/devices.tar.gz. cannot create devices |
| 13:51.25 | mutagen_too | will try that now .. |
| 13:51.38 | mutagen_too | just a moment |
| 13:52.44 | wsky | are you debootstraping with your root account? |
| 13:52.50 | wsky | or with a regular user |
| 13:52.55 | mutagen_too | root |
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| 13:53.31 | wsky | so when does it show up that error? |
| 13:53.36 | wsky | wfter what command? |
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| 13:53.46 | mutagen_too | while extraction .. |
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| 13:53.54 | mutagen_too | same error with a mirror .. |
| 13:53.59 | mutagen_too | I: Extracting zlib1g... |
| 13:54.00 | mutagen_too | E: no /usr/share/debootstrap/devices.tar.gz. cannot create devices |
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| 13:55.01 | wsky | looks like a PEBKAC |
| 13:55.02 | mutagen_too | debootstrap can only run as root .. |
| 13:55.54 | wsky | have you got enough of free space on these filesystems? and what kind of filesystems do you use?> |
| 13:56.08 | mutagen_too | ext3 with loads of space |
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| 13:56.50 | mutagen_too | 21G |
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| 13:57.07 | wsky | mutagen_too: can you pastebin the full output of the command? |
| 13:57.32 | wsky | including the command you've typed in |
| 13:57.37 | mutagen_too | ok .. |
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| 14:00.10 | mutagen_too | http://dpaste.com/927890/ |
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| 14:01.41 | mutagen_too | oops the last two lines .. slipped into it .. |
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| 14:03.06 | mutagen_too | now apt-get install looks as if working |
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| 14:04.46 | mutagen_too | but not really .. |
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| 14:05.07 | mutagen_too | tried installing nano via dpkg .. and apt-get .. gone fishing .. |
| 14:05.58 | mutagen_too | what if I bind the dev filesystem in now ? |
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| 14:06.51 | wsky | you haven't bind your /dev after debootstraping? |
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| 14:07.03 | wsky | and proc? |
| 14:07.14 | mutagen_too | no |
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| 14:07.31 | wsky | no wonder it does not work |
| 14:08.04 | mutagen_too | alright .. binding .. (will not solve the problem i guess) but lets do .. |
| 14:08.36 | wsky | also you should copy your resolv.conf to the chrooted /etc |
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| 14:08.56 | mutagen_too | i can write a newone .. its just my dns .. |
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| 14:09.31 | wsky | i thoughht copying is faster but whatever |
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| 14:10.07 | connected | hey guys |
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| 14:10.16 | connected | i still ahve the problem with fonts |
| 14:10.19 | connected | i see only squares |
| 14:10.41 | connected | this is just too much for me |
| 14:10.41 | mutagen_too | ok now running debootstrap with proc and dev .. |
| 14:10.48 | wsky | what |
| 14:10.52 | connected | i did update/upgrade last night and all letters turn to squares |
| 14:10.58 | wsky | !debootstrap |
| 14:10.59 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 14:11.15 | wsky | here, have a howto, i'm going out |
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| 14:18.32 | connected | im downloading kde |
| 14:18.41 | connected | i hope i wont have this same problem in kde |
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| 14:22.42 | chrisbuchholz | Is it possible to install vim 7.3 on squeeze via a repository? Like a third party or something ? |
| 14:22.44 | chrisbuchholz | I can't find anything myself |
| 14:23.54 | themill | dpkg: tell chrisbuchholz about squeeze-backports |
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| 14:25.17 | Towzzer | what's the default vim on squeeze? |
| 14:25.56 | chrisbuchholz | themill: I can only find 7.2 in backport |
| 14:26.15 | chrisbuchholz | Towzzer: 7.2 |
| 14:26.19 | themill | chrisbuchholz: how did you look? |
| 14:27.58 | chrisbuchholz | themill: apt-cache search -t squeeze-backport vim |
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| 14:28.25 | themill | well that doesn't show version numbers... |
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| 14:28.45 | themill | (and apt-cache doesn't have a -t option) |
| 14:28.46 | chrisbuchholz | themill: you sure? |
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| 14:28.53 | chrisbuchholz | themill: oh sorry |
| 14:29.02 | chrisbuchholz | That's not it |
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| 14:34.47 | ctmjr | 7.3 is in backports |
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| 14:38.59 | chrisbuchholz | themill: it was the policy argument I used |
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| 14:39.40 | themill | chrisbuchholz: did you add backports to your sources.list? did you run apt-get update after? |
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| 14:41.01 | chrisbuchholz | Yup both, themill |
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| 14:41.18 | chrisbuchholz | It even says its from backport in policy |
| 14:41.33 | themill | so what's the issue then? |
| 14:42.14 | themill | is confused |
| 14:42.51 | chrisbuchholz | That it says 7.2 and not 7.3 |
| 14:43.01 | themill | can you pastebin the output of"apt-cache policy vim" then? |
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| 14:44.01 | frjo | My Shorewall installation on Debian 6 suddenly decided to stop all traffic. Only thing that has happened is a aptitude safe-upgrade of openssl libssl-dev etc. |
| 14:44.09 | frjo | Does these rules look ok or bad? http://pastebin.com/HjGTtGDy |
| 14:44.36 | chrisbuchholz | themill: I'm on a mobile phone so that'll be tough |
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| 14:45.14 | themill | chrisbuchholz: I predict that it will list 2:7.3.547-6~bpo60+1 as being from backports |
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| 14:46.03 | chrisbuchholz | themill ah yes how do I install that ? |
| 14:46.14 | themill | aptitude -t squeeze-backports install vim |
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| 14:51.49 | chrisbuchholz | themill: it says there's nothing to install |
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| 14:52.43 | Uranio | hi, running checkinstall make install |
| 14:52.51 | Uranio | create a empty package |
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| 14:52.57 | Uranio | is that normal?? |
| 14:54.32 | chrisbuchholz | themill: I miss typed. Now it works. Thanks! |
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| 14:55.59 | mvt007geek | hi |
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| 14:56.13 | mvt007geek | when we connect a usb where usb mount to? |
| 14:56.21 | mvt007geek | i mean where the address is? |
| 14:56.49 | mvt007geek | is it in /home |
| 14:56.51 | mvt007geek | ? |
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| 14:57.50 | ksk | mvt007geek: which desktop? take a look at "places" or sth like that |
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| 14:58.21 | mvt007geek | whith df -h i know which sdx it is |
| 14:58.35 | mvt007geek | ksk: but don't know the addres |
| 14:58.38 | mvt007geek | s |
| 14:58.47 | ChrisH | mvt007geek: If you connect an USB memory device, it can be mounted automagically. check df -h and/or mount on a terminal to see if it is mounted. If not check dmesg to see how the kernel detected it and what device file was assigned. |
| 14:58.49 | babilen | mvt007geek: Most automounters would mount it to /media -- Which desktop environment/filemanager do you use? |
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| 15:00.38 | mvt007geek | babilen: thanks igot it ;) |
| 15:02.00 | mvt007geek | oh noooo http://paste.debian.net/234165/ |
| 15:02.11 | mvt007geek | babilen: |
| 15:02.15 | mvt007geek | :p |
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| 15:02.54 | babilen | "cd New\ Volume" (or simply /don't/ use spaces in labels |
| 15:02.56 | babilen | ) |
| 15:03.13 | mvt007geek | i want to use a file system simulatur in my usb.i need to enter it's place by comman |
| 15:03.16 | mvt007geek | d |
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| 15:03.21 | babilen | btw, tab-completion should have got that right. Try "cd New<TAB>" |
| 15:03.42 | babilen | Could you be more specific about what you are trying to do? |
| 15:04.05 | mvt007geek | babilen: ye |
| 15:04.05 | mvt007geek | right now i entered |
| 15:04.08 | babilen | Spaces in filenames are a common source of headaches and if you are writing/using a script you should check if it handles them correctly. |
| 15:05.08 | babilen | (cf. "ask in #bash on irc.freenode.net about spaces and filenames", let them tell you about http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/020) |
| 15:05.25 | mvt007geek | http://paste.debian.net/234167/ |
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| 15:06.05 | mvt007geek | babilen: i want to change my usb fs into yaffs fs.but i heard it's not possible for yaffs |
| 15:06.28 | mvt007geek | babilen: so i want to use it's simulature : nandsim |
| 15:06.42 | mvt007geek | babilen: on the flash to see what will happend |
| 15:06.56 | babilen | hehe, well something in that makefile has problems with the Volume LABEL -- You might want to label it differently. And I have no idea what "nandsim" or "yaffs" are |
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| 15:07.29 | mvt007geek | yaffs a kind of file system |
| 15:07.36 | babilen | And I also don't know why you need to compile something /on the stick/ |
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| 15:08.07 | mvt007geek | how can i fix lable problem |
| 15:08.09 | mvt007geek | ? |
| 15:08.29 | mvt007geek | babilen: |
| 15:09.19 | babilen | mvt007geek: "man tune2fs" → -L volume-label |
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| 15:10.08 | babilen | mvt007geek: But you could just compile whatever it is you are compiling there somewhere else. In particular in a location whose full path does not include spaces. |
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| 15:10.46 | mvt007geek | babilen: yes i did compile on pc.not stick |
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| 15:11.02 | mvt007geek | babilen: what i want is doing it on stick :D |
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| 15:11.33 | babilen | pretends he understood and nods knowingly |
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| 15:11.50 | mvt007geek | babilen: :D |
| 15:12.01 | alexwaters | when I try 'service supervisord stop' i get "-bash: service: command not found" but if I add a sudo it works. Does anyone know how I can get the service to stop without sudo? |
| 15:13.46 | ksk | alexwaters: if you are root, you can do that. is that a ubuntu question? |
| 15:14.01 | babilen | alexwaters: Well, "service" is in /usr/sbin/ and you might have to add that to your user's path (which is perfectly fine and I've been doing that for ages) -- That way you can call "service" without specifying its full path |
| 15:14.22 | babilen | alexwaters: That, however, doesn't mean that you don't need root privileges in order to run service (which typically needs them) |
| 15:15.15 | babilen | If you are running the command as root it should already work (unless you fiddled with PATH) |
| 15:15.31 | babilen | alexwaters: In short: Please provide more information (preferrable on a pastebin) |
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| 15:27.10 | alexwaters | ksk: no, debian 6.06 |
| 15:27.48 | alexwaters | babilen: not running as root, i need to run it from jenkins |
| 15:28.16 | ChrisH | alexwaters: then try /usr/sbin/services in your script |
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| 15:30.26 | pmade | For some reason my mouse cursor is corrupted (garbage pixels). Is there a way to fix this without restarting X? Can I ask xorg to flush the video ram or something? |
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| 15:32.34 | alexwaters | ChrisH: awesome, thank you |
| 15:32.54 | ChrisH | pmade: I saw this several times when using Sun Secure Global Desktop to access remote Servers happen. It fixed most times itself. Maybe changing the KDE or Gnome Theme might help. |
| 15:32.56 | alexwaters | now i'm getting cp: cannot create regular file permission denied - but I imagine i can fix that if i tinker with chown / chmod |
| 15:33.05 | alexwaters | when trying to cp a file^ |
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| 15:33.37 | ChrisH | alexwaters: most probably.... try to fix it with chown |
| 15:33.49 | pmade | ChrisH: I don't use a desktop environment. Any other ideas? |
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| 15:35.15 | ChrisH | pmade: pure X ? |
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| 15:35.43 | mactheknife7 | Can someone help? Trying to mount sd-card with an usb card reader. Do I need a new usb driver? |
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| 15:36.27 | somiaj | mactheknife7: when you plug in the usb card reader does your kernel detect it? (check dmesg for output regarding that device) |
| 15:36.36 | Kingsy | badiane: ok I am back, I am sorry I have been in and out all day, you mentioned an installer that downloads exactly what you desire from the web? |
| 15:36.36 | ChrisH | mactheknife7: it is not expected. insert the SD Card into the USB reader and then plug the Reader into your computer. check dmesg to see what happened |
| 15:36.40 | pmade | ChrisH: X and a window manager (xmonad) |
| 15:36.50 | somiaj | mactheknife7: most drivers come with your kernel, so if i is supported it should just detect it and load the corect module. |
| 15:37.03 | Kingsy | babilen: *^^^^^ |
| 15:37.24 | Kingsy | babilen: is this some kinda one fits all installer that allows you to choose packages? |
| 15:37.25 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: well nautilus reflects them, but clicking on it does not help... |
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| 15:37.59 | badiane | kingsy: I'm sorry but I'm not sure what you are referring to. |
| 15:38.04 | ChrisH | mactheknife7 check dmesg and df -h |
| 15:38.30 | babilen | Kingsy: Every installer lets you pick different "tasks" -- You cannot pick individual packages and the difference between the images lies not in the installer, but in the number and collection of packages they contain. If you have a working internet conenction you can download everything during the installation. |
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| 15:38.50 | babilen | badiane: Kingsy tried to address me, not you :) |
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| 15:39.25 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: ok done, but what info should I look to? |
| 15:39.49 | ChrisH | mactheknife7: show it to us on paste.debian.net |
| 15:39.50 | babilen | Kingsy: What do you desire? |
| 15:40.01 | Kingsy | babilen: right, I read the installer however lets you choose say "print server" or "desktop" or whatever, if you choose "desktop enviroment" it gives you gnome right? |
| 15:40.11 | Kingsy | gnome3 or some crap ? |
| 15:40.25 | Kingsy | hates gnome :P |
| 15:40.34 | abrotman | then don't use it |
| 15:40.40 | abrotman | some people are so negative |
| 15:40.54 | Kingsy | abrotman: I was half jokin, of course I am not going to use it |
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| 15:40.59 | babilen | Kingsy: If you install wheezy it would install Gnome3 by default, unless you change that. I had the bot sent you the <install xfce4> factoid that explains who you can either configure the installer to install XFCE4 /or/ how to install it yourself |
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| 15:41.15 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: ok, done, see http://paste.debian.net/234175/ |
| 15:41.16 | abrotman | there's an installer option to have that desktop task change IIRC |
| 15:41.16 | Kingsy | babilen: ahhh I see.. |
| 15:41.19 | Kingsy | thankyou sirt |
| 15:41.21 | Kingsy | sir* |
| 15:42.09 | babilen | Kingsy: "/msg dpkg install xfce4" -- I would still recommend the wheezy daily netinstall with firmware: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/ (brand new off the hot press and hopefully usable) |
| 15:42.15 | Kingsy | babilen: what does that mean when it says --> (if not using Xfce CD-1) ? |
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| 15:42.42 | Kingsy | oh cooool |
| 15:42.52 | Kingsy | is excited |
| 15:43.06 | babilen | Kingsy: There is a XFCE CD1 (see <various cd1>) that installs XFCE by default and contains the pacakges you need for that. That installer does, however, only come without firmware. |
| 15:43.27 | ChrisH | mactheknife7: I am missing the dmesg, but a cd /media/5e9045e3-8d14-48d5-9797-5b1b0df7c0a7 in a terminal should show you your data |
| 15:43.37 | babilen | Kingsy: You can use it (it is linked on the http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ page) you have to provide firmware yourself (if you need it) |
| 15:43.56 | Kingsy | babilen: so for example --> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/amd64/iso-cd/ <-- that iso image, will install debian base.. I would install xfce afterwards manually? along with xorg and such? |
| 15:44.08 | babilen | Kingsy: That is explained in "/msg dpkg installer firmware" -- But I mentioned all of this before. Please re-read my original comments :) |
| 15:44.28 | abrotman | can you not use "desktop=xfce" at the installer prompt with the firmware netinst? |
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| 15:44.49 | babilen | Kingsy: If you know that you want XFCE you can just configure the installer to install that. "/msg dpkg install xfce4" explains how to do that. You can, however, also install it manually later on. |
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| 15:45.15 | babilen | Kingsy: In particular you want: from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install" |
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| 15:45.37 | abrotman | oh, i'm doing it the manual way :) |
| 15:45.44 | Kingsy | babilen: right yeah I see.. |
| 15:45.59 | Kingsy | I would prefer to install it manually, I have done that before when I used arch linux, its easy enough |
| 15:46.08 | babilen | Kingsy: IIRC that only works if you /don't/ boot it in EFI mode, but I haven't used that installer before. It really is /very/ new and not that tested. It should contain a couple of nice things that aren't in beta4, which is why I recommend that. |
| 15:46.43 | abrotman | Kingsy: manually meaning compile? |
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| 15:46.58 | Elouin | abrotman: no from the repos |
| 15:47.06 | Kingsy | abrotman: oh no, I meant using a package manager |
| 15:47.08 | abrotman | wasn't asking you ? |
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| 15:47.17 | abrotman | has no idea why Elouin answered |
| 15:47.18 | babilen | Kingsy: There won't be much of a difference -- Just let the installer do it as it will configure certain aspects of the system differently if it /knows/ that you plan to use a Desktop Environment. |
| 15:47.29 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: ok, see dmesg http://paste.debian.net/234177/ |
| 15:47.42 | abrotman | Kingsy: personally, i'd use the task from the installer |
| 15:47.46 | wsky | abrotman: because this is piblic chat |
| 15:47.52 | Elouin | abrotman: because i know what he meant |
| 15:47.54 | wsky | public |
| 15:48.07 | abrotman | of course you did .. |
| 15:48.13 | Elouin | abrotman: query him if you think he is the only guy who can help you.... |
| 15:48.19 | babilen | Kingsy: But do whatever you want, installing it manually is fine and will probably result in a different package selection. I see that the XFCE4 tasks recommends libreoffice, so if you don't want that ... |
| 15:48.19 | mumel | Kingsy: unless you plan to install some packages but not all (as in: --no-install-recommends), the task in the installer "just works". |
| 15:48.19 | Kingsy | babilen: ok cool np, so am I right in thinking, that I would download the installer, and download the new firmware. you can then feed in the new firmware into the debian installer? |
| 15:48.20 | abrotman | Elouin: or just stay out of it? |
| 15:48.31 | abrotman | Elouin: i wasn't asking you, and you weren't involved prior |
| 15:48.53 | abrotman | and it's certainly not your system |
| 15:48.56 | Elouin | abrotman: sry tha i talked to you in a public chat oh high lord |
| 15:49.23 | abrotman | weird people |
| 15:49.30 | VanceX | cccccc cant we just all get along? |
| 15:50.01 | babilen | Kingsy: The netinst installer that I linked to before does contain firmware. If you decide to /not/ use that one you have to provide firmware on a removable medium during the installation. That is detailed in the installation guide http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/ch06s04 |
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| 15:51.29 | ChrisH | mactheknife7: see lines 157-159 potential HW issue with HDA? Are you sure the SD Card is properly seated in the Reader? I cannot see the kernel detecting the SD Card |
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| 15:52.51 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: yes it is but is a an sd adapter with another 2gb smaller card in it. |
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| 15:53.30 | babilen | Kingsy: I would recommend to use the daily from today ... If you decide /not/ to use it (e.g. because you want to use the xfce CD1) you'll end up with the beta4 installer that has /some/ issues. |
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| 15:54.01 | Kingsy | babilen: you recommend using firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso <-- correct ? |
| 15:54.03 | babilen | Kingsy: OTOH the daily hasn't been tested, so I am simply curious if all the shiny new things work :) |
| 15:54.05 | ChrisH | mactheknife7: sd 2:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to offline device did you unplug the device? |
| 15:54.12 | Kingsy | babilen: in /cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/amd64/iso-cd |
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| 15:54.27 | babilen | Kingsy: yeah, exactly |
| 15:54.53 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: yes, I did. |
| 15:55.01 | Kingsy | if its untested its probably not a good idea :S |
| 15:55.06 | babilen | Kingsy: There might be some problems with them, but it should™ be the best installer for wheezy right now. Use the beta4 if that one does not work as expected. |
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| 15:55.24 | abrotman | Kingsy: it's been tested, it's nearing RC1 .. but it's not a "beta" tagged ISO |
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| 15:56.12 | Kingsy | perhaps I should go with a stable to be safe, this is for work after all. |
| 15:56.13 | Pricey | I have a Dell Latitude E5530 with an intel i7 3520M, various other bits and bobs. Every so often it hangs. I can't find any illuminating logs. I haven't managed to 'netconsole' anything. Save me? :) |
| 15:56.24 | babilen | Kingsy: The software it installs (wheezy) is well tested, and the installer will be released as RC1 very soon. It just hasn't been released as RC1 yet (due to some internal problems) and the daily from today is the first build that works again |
| 15:57.20 | ChrisH | mactheknife7: Unplug USB Reader from Computer. put the SD Card into the Reader and THEN plug the Reader into the Computer. Wait 30sec and then please pastebin: dmesg; df -h; blkid; lsusb # you can easy use sleep 30 to count the 30seconds :) |
| 15:57.20 | Kingsy | babilen: what is sid ? |
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| 15:57.51 | babilen | Kingsy: You are free to do whatever you want. I simply tried to provide the best advice I can give you ... I recommend to use wheezy (still) and the comments regarding "not tested" were simply about the daily installer from today. |
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| 15:58.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kingsy -about introduction |
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| 15:58.48 | babilen | Kingsy: I do /not/ recommend to run sid to you btw :) |
| 15:58.58 | Kingsy | babilen: of course, and tbh I will lesten to your advice, I have NO experience with debian AT ALL, this will be my first experience. I heard good things, so I am binning ubuntu and picking up debian |
| 15:59.50 | Kingsy | ah so sid is a no go.. heh |
| 16:00.03 | abrotman | Pricey: uname -r ? |
| 16:00.07 | Elouin | Kingsy: for a beginner absolutely |
| 16:00.31 | Pricey | abrotman: Currently booted into windows where it seems fine. What specific info were you after from that? |
| 16:00.40 | abrotman | Pricey: the kernel .. version |
| 16:00.41 | Pricey | If it matters, I've also left it overnight on memtest which got 18 Pass's. |
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| 16:00.54 | Pricey | abrotman: I was as up to date as the debian uk ftp mirrors. |
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| 16:01.04 | Pricey | *passes...? |
| 16:01.07 | abrotman | that doesn't tell me which version you were running |
| 16:01.26 | babilen | Kingsy: Well, you are free to do whatever you want, but /I/ would recommend to use wheezy now. It is the currently frozen (/msg dpkg freeze) testing (/msg dpkg testing) that will be released in a couple of months. You will, automagically, run "stable" (then wheezy) once it has been released. |
| 16:01.27 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: ok, done, see output http://paste.debian.net/234187/ |
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| 16:02.06 | Sarajevo | guys |
| 16:02.10 | Sarajevo | i am the fontguy |
| 16:02.12 | Sarajevo | listen to me |
| 16:02.20 | Kingsy | babilen: cool.. I will be installing the system tomorrow, should I install tomorrows daily build? or will it be the same as todays? |
| 16:02.26 | Sarajevo | i think i know why im seeing squares instead letters |
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| 16:02.47 | Sarajevo | gtk+ is screwed and all programs built upon gtk are screwed also |
| 16:02.52 | Sarajevo | i need to reinstal pango library |
| 16:02.54 | Sarajevo | help me |
| 16:03.04 | babilen | Kingsy: I don't expect them to be different, but yeah .. use tomorrows if the builders did work overnight :) |
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| 16:03.14 | Kingsy | wicked. |
| 16:03.37 | Kingsy | babilen: out of curiousity, who decides on these names? squeeze? wheezy? sid? |
| 16:03.51 | Kingsy | the next stable will be sid? what comes after that? heh |
| 16:03.55 | ctmjr | Toy Story |
| 16:04.02 | Kingsy | woody? |
| 16:04.04 | Sevet | Jessie is next |
| 16:04.06 | babilen | Kingsy: They are characters from toy story and some cabal in Debian-land picks the next one. |
| 16:04.20 | ChrisH | mactheknife7: there is something wrong with your USB Reader. It does not show the SD Card |
| 16:04.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kingsy -about releas history |
| 16:04.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kingsy -about release history |
| 16:05.14 | Kingsy | haha thats actually quite fun.. could he expect a "Mr Potato Head" ? |
| 16:05.15 | Kingsy | :P |
| 16:05.19 | Kingsy | funny* |
| 16:05.24 | Kingsy | we* |
| 16:05.32 | abrotman | we already had potato |
| 16:05.33 | Sevet | we already had potato :) |
| 16:05.37 | ChrisH | mactheknife7: dmesg shlould look this way http://paste.debian.net/234189/ |
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| 16:05.42 | Pricey | abrotman: It doesn't, no. Thanks for the awesome support :-) |
| 16:05.48 | Kingsy | oh yeah.. hahgaha |
| 16:05.59 | babilen | Kingsy: I am waiting for "Debian Troll" and we had potato already ... but lets take the off-topic chatter to #debian-offtopic if you don't mind. |
| 16:06.00 | Kingsy | 2.2 |
| 16:06.14 | Kingsy | oh sure, sorryh |
| 16:06.19 | abrotman | Pricey: i'm asking because a newer kernel may help with an i7 |
| 16:06.20 | babilen | no problem at all |
| 16:06.32 | abrotman | Pricey: but depending which you have, there may not be a newer kernel available |
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| 16:07.45 | Pricey | abrotman: I was going to upgrade to unstable anyway at some point, I guess there's more merit to it then. |
| 16:08.02 | abrotman | Pricey: if you're already on wheezy, it's the same kernel |
| 16:08.08 | abrotman | so that won't get you any advantage |
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| 16:09.04 | Pricey | abrotman: Are you suggesting building my own? |
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| 16:09.44 | babilen | Kingsy: Also read http://debian-handbook.info/ -- It is a very good book and will teach you lots |
| 16:09.59 | abrotman | not quite .. there are other methods .. but first we need to know which kernel you're currently using |
| 16:10.10 | Kingsy | grabs the link |
| 16:10.11 | abrotman | Pricey: also, your VGA driver might be useful to know |
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| 16:14.18 | Pricey | abrotman: I'm not going to be able to reboot any time soon to check on that. Can only answer that I was fully dist-upgrade'd. Is there any advice you could unload on me for when I find out? |
| 16:15.18 | abrotman | Pricey: do you know which version of Debian you were running? |
| 16:15.37 | Pricey | abrotman: wheezy. |
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| 16:16.06 | abrotman | Pricey: okay, so your video driver is also useful |
| 16:16.15 | abrotman | are youusing the binary fglrx or nvidia stuff? |
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| 16:16.29 | abrotman | when the system locks, have you tried to ssh in remotely? |
| 16:16.58 | Pricey | Intel HD 4000. I haven't installed anything else. Even resisted the non-free wireless drivers until I was sure it was stable. |
| 16:17.05 | Pricey | Unable to ping or ssh when its locked. |
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| 16:18.04 | Pricey | Magic sysrq keys don't work. |
| 16:18.17 | abrotman | Pricey: the only kernel you can try is the 3.7 in experimental |
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| 16:18.39 | Pricey | abrotman: "You never know" :-) |
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| 16:19.23 | abrotman | Pricey: so when you're back on your linux box, go to packages.debian.org .. grab the linux-image-3.7-trunk or whatever it is for your architecture |
| 16:19.54 | Pricey | abrotman: Makes sense, thanks. |
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| 16:24.15 | zafu | hi, any idea why xlockmore is no longer in sid? |
| 16:24.30 | abrotman | judd: file bin/xlock --release sid |
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| 16:24.37 | judd | No packages in sid/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 16:24.57 | abrotman | zafu: xscreenserver doesn't ahve that ability? |
| 16:25.18 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: the sd card reader is a techsolo |
| 16:25.26 | jordanm | zafu, it was unmaintained with security bugs |
| 16:25.36 | zafu | abrotman: ok, I'll try that |
| 16:25.44 | jordanm | there were ways to bypass it's locking |
| 16:25.52 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: the sd card reader is a techsolo tcr 1810 |
| 16:25.52 | zafu | hmm, I see |
| 16:26.14 | nkuttler | zafu: use xtrlock? |
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| 16:26.51 | zafu | nkuttler: more choice :) |
| 16:27.28 | ChrisH | mactheknife7: It can be anything, it does not show up. Last idea, please pastebin lsub ; lsusb -vn |
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| 16:32.11 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: ok, see http://paste.debian.net/234198/ |
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| 16:32.40 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: I guess I did something wrong. |
| 16:33.00 | ChrisH | mactheknife7: I meant, run these commands: lsub ; lsusb -vn and paste the output |
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| 16:36.21 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: no problem, see http://paste.debian.net/234201/ |
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| 16:39.34 | bcdonadio | I'm trying to config NFS4+krb5, but root_squash is being enforced, altough I explicitely set no_root_squash on exports. Therefore, all my IO as root is being seen as "nobody:nogroup". What am I doing wrong? |
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| 16:40.51 | nadar | hi. how do i get grub2 to use a theme installed from the repository? (right now i'd like to have grub-theme-starfield) |
| 16:41.08 | nadar | *use |
| 16:41.15 | mengesb | wondering if I could get some help with a blocked proc question: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1652290/ |
| 16:41.38 | mengesb | I run a ramdisk vm on 1gb, wondering if that's enough for a resize2fs operation consistently |
| 16:41.51 | ChrisH | mactheknife7: apt-get install usbutils and plese paste lsb_release -d |
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| 16:43.44 | ChrisH | mactheknife7: forget the apt-get install. |
| 16:44.58 | ChrisH | mactheknife7: lets start with lsb_release -d |
| 16:45.04 | ChrisH | mactheknife7: lets start with lsb_release -d and lsusb |
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| 16:45.43 | mengesb | is there someplace that I can get some help with http://pastebin.com/S8zFnczg |
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| 16:46.19 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: ok, see http://paste.debian.net/234204/ |
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| 16:47.36 | ChrisH | mactheknife7: lsb_release -d missing |
| 16:48.43 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: ok, see http://paste.debian.net/234206/ |
| 16:49.59 | ChrisH | mactheknife7: does it work with lsb_release -d or lsb_release -a |
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| 16:50.51 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: lsb_release -d gives the operating system |
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| 16:52.00 | mengesb | anyone know of where i can get some help with resize2fs besides the man page itself? i have a crash question |
| 16:52.09 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: lsb_release -a also |
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| 16:52.55 | ChrisH | mactheknife7: and we want to see that |
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| 16:53.09 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: ok, one moment |
| 16:53.31 | metaphysician | What is the URL of this server "master:/srv/leader/news/" ? |
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| 16:54.31 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: see http://paste.debian.net/234209/ |
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| 16:55.55 | ChrisH | mactheknife7: What is Joli OS? and why are you asking in #debian? |
| 16:55.56 | metaphysician | Is it ftp-master.debian.org? |
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| 16:57.33 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: It is a linux distribution based on debian. You can install it like a windows program and than you can boot into linux with an installed bootmanager. |
| 16:58.08 | needle | ubuntu is also based on debian |
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| 16:58.21 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: see http://www.jolicloud.com/jolios |
| 16:58.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell mactheknife7 -about based on debian |
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| 16:59.04 | ChrisH | mactheknife7: I cannot find the word debian in http://www.jolicloud.com/jolios |
| 16:59.22 | needle | looks like joli OS has no IRC support |
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| 17:00.01 | mactheknife7 | ChrisH: it mentions ubuntu but that one is also derived of debian too. |
| 17:00.05 | ChrisH | http://www.jolicloud.com/jolios/support |
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| 17:00.26 | ChrisH | dpkg tell mactheknife7 about ubuntu |
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| 17:00.52 | babilen | hands ChrisH a bunch of colons |
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| 17:01.12 | ChrisH | babilen: ? |
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| 17:02.10 | babilen | ChrisH: "dpkg:" vs "dpkg " |
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| 17:03.12 | jmd | Anyone know of a tool like filelight which is - well - lighter ? |
| 17:03.18 | ChrisH | babilen: I see. but dpkg did inform me he was happy to explain mactheknife7 about ubuntu :) |
| 17:03.25 | babilen | ah, wonderful :) |
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| 17:03.35 | babilen | jmd: What does it do? |
| 17:04.14 | jmd | babilen, It gives a heirachial view of diskusage. |
| 17:04.46 | zykotick9 | jmd: ncdu perhaps? |
| 17:04.56 | babilen | jmd: baobab comes to mind ... you can also play with du, sort, uniq, tail, head, more, less ... |
| 17:05.25 | babilen | ncdu looks useful :) |
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| 17:06.13 | jmd | I'll checkout ncdu, Thanks |
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| 17:07.50 | babilen | jmd: "apt-cache search disk usage" (and variations thereof) comes up with some alternatives that might be worth a look too (haven't used them though) |
| 17:08.16 | jmd | babilen, OK Thanks. |
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| 17:22.01 | rethus | whats the default-version of php on squeeze? |
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| 17:29.16 | nkuttler | ,v php5 |
| 17:29.18 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; sid: 5.4.4-12; wheezy: 5.4.4-12; experimental: 5.4.11-1 |
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| 17:29.22 | nkuttler | rethus: ^^ |
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| 17:29.52 | dennisvb | Hello everybody, just installed Debian for the first time in my life! |
| 17:30.00 | nkuttler | dennisvb: good for you! |
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| 17:30.47 | babilen | dennisvb: yay! which version did you install? |
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| 17:31.07 | dennisvb | babilen, I installed 6.0.6 squeeze. |
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| 17:31.31 | dennisvb | babilen, Now trying out XChat :) |
| 17:31.36 | babilen | dennisvb: Is this for your personal use? |
| 17:31.47 | dennisvb | babilen, Yes, it is. |
| 17:32.01 | dennisvb | babilen, I am going to program on it. |
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| 17:32.43 | metaphysician | packages.debian.org is down? |
| 17:32.52 | babilen | dennisvb: Ok, you might want newer software soon. (such as a new version of iceweasel (firefox)) -- You can either upgrade to the next version (that will be released soonish) by following http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html or you can install software from backports or http://mozilla.debian.net (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 17:32.58 | mumel | metaphysician: works fine here. |
| 17:33.07 | dennisvb | metaphysician, works for me. |
| 17:33.14 | babilen | metaphysician: yeah, wfm right now, but the error is being investigated |
| 17:33.35 | babilen | metaphysician: Do you still get the varnish cache error (503) ? |
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| 17:33.49 | dennisvb | babilen, I did install the newer 3.x.xx kernel and got google chrome, but I will look into the url you gave me. |
| 17:34.05 | babilen | dennisvb: How did you install the newer kernel? |
| 17:34.09 | metaphysician | babilen: yes, Guru Meditation: XID: 175081007 |
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| 17:34.23 | confusid | I just install the radion drivers from backports and now my arandr has a set screen size and I cant change it. Where should I go to try and fix this? I've only used the gui part of randr using the arandr. |
| 17:34.33 | babilen | metaphysician: yeah, give it some time |
| 17:34.52 | babilen | confusid: Did you upgrade the rest of X too? |
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| 17:35.15 | dennisvb | babilen, Using this tutorial: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToUpgradeKernel |
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| 17:36.19 | babilen | dennisvb: And what did you do exactly? It mentions backports for Debian stable .. |
| 17:36.42 | babilen | dennisvb: And that information is wrong (for the experimenal one) :( |
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| 17:37.14 | dennisvb | babilen: Oops, wrong link. I used this one: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-6-apt-get-install-linux-kernel-3-2/ |
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| 17:37.44 | ompaul | babilen: pm |
| 17:37.51 | babilen | ompaul: sure |
| 17:38.36 | babilen | dennisvb: yeah, that looks a little bit better, but is still not perfect. First and foremost add "contrib non-free" after "main" in the backports line. Then run "apt-get update" |
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| 17:39.05 | dennisvb | babilen: I did that before for something else. |
| 17:39.16 | babilen | dennisvb: Could you run "aptitude search '~i~n^linux-image'" and "aptitude search '~i~nfirmware'" and "lspci -nn" and paste it to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 17:39.32 | ompaul | babilen: you have my cynical comments :) |
| 17:39.40 | ompaul | babilen: part two on the way |
| 17:39.44 | confusid | babilen it installed many files but I only used apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 firmware-linux-free xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
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| 17:39.53 | babilen | dennisvb: Ah, okay ... I would also recommend to install a metapackage such as "linux-image-amd64" from experimental rather than a specific version. |
| 17:40.10 | confusid | said I needed a newer kernel but I'm not sure if I installed all of the video stuff correctly. |
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| 17:40.27 | babilen | confusid: You have to upgrade the rest of Xorg as well ... but I would strongly recommend to just upgrade to wheezy if you have to do that. |
| 17:40.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell confusid -about bdo xorg |
| 17:40.42 | confusid | ty |
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| 17:41.27 | confusid | babilen I have backports already in my source file. Can I do apt-get upgrade to upgrade the system? |
| 17:41.28 | babilen | confusid: But just upgrade to wheezy if you need the newer Xorg -- Using the backported one is, well, a little but unusual and you might have problems |
| 17:41.34 | rethus | judd nkuttler: thanks php 5.3.3 thanks |
| 17:41.51 | babilen | confusid: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html explains how to do that (also "/msg dpkg squeeze->whezy") |
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| 17:41.57 | rethus | someone knows a list with websoftware and compatible php-versions? |
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| 17:42.26 | confusid | ty i just isntalled this box yesterday but would like to upgrade instead of just installing fresh again. Never have done an upgrade. |
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| 17:42.55 | dennisvb | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/234218/ here you go! |
| 17:43.01 | babilen | dennisvb: Well, looks as if you are good to go. Just to let you know: It is quite fine to just use wheezy these days and I would recommend to simply upgrade to that if you find that you install lots from backports or that you need specific features. (e.g. current skype only works with that) |
| 17:43.51 | dennisvb | babilen: Maybe I will update later if I need to. I will see! Thank you for you help. |
| 17:45.53 | babilen | dennisvb: sure, have fun! (just wanted to give some hints of which I think newcomers would appreciate them) -- oh, and you most definitely want to read http://debian-handbook.info/ in due course |
| 17:45.58 | babilen | ) |
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| 17:47.20 | dennisvb | babilen: Ok, I will! |
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| 17:50.05 | babilen | dennisvb: I would also install the "linux-image-amd64" package and mark linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 as being automatically installed (apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 ; aptitude markauto linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64) |
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| 17:50.44 | confusid | babilen: would the wheezy beta4 be the one to go to? |
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| 17:52.29 | JohnA | Is there a simple central authorization system that could be used with Postfix, Dovecot, Davical, Apache ++++ without using LDAP? The user base is arround 30-50 users, for that I think LDAP is overkill! |
| 17:52.46 | TheGrey | o/ I have excrudingly slow wifi..please can you help me. I use the ath9k driver and my wireless wifi is AR928X...Everything was working, but I decided to change rc.local, by adding a line to it. I rebooted twice. There was slow wifi. I removed it and rebooted. The slowness is still there. Could the impact of adding the code to the rc.local, affected anuthing else? I've removed those lines, but still evyerhting is really slow. Code was: iwconfig wlan2 ra |
| 17:52.47 | TheGrey | te 54M |
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| 17:53.00 | babilen | confusid: there are new dailies today that you can use (http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/) |
| 17:53.24 | badiane | babilen: OK. |
| 17:53.53 | confusid | babilen: is there a recomendation on update or upgrades when running current? |
| 17:54.03 | JohnA | sorry I should have stated thT THE CONFIG AND AUTH SYS ARE FOR A SERVER. |
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| 17:56.42 | TheGrey | anyone? ;_; |
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| 17:58.51 | babilen | confusid: I told you already, didn't I? |
| 17:59.41 | metaphysician | babilen: packages.debian.org works now. (had to wait for TTL of DNS record to reach 0?) |
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| 18:00.31 | babilen | metaphysician: yeah, the machine has been taken out of DNS rotation and was fixed ... all should be back to normal. Let me know if you encounter further problems :) |
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| 18:56.20 | NChief | I have a server running debian, and I have get several ipv4 address assigned to one interface. I can "listen" and reach the server with the second address, but I cannot "go out" with the second address |
| 18:56.30 | NChief | i.e with curl or wget |
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| 18:56.56 | NChief | "curl --interface eth0:1 ifconfig.me" gives me the main IP, not the one assigned to eth0:1 |
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| 18:59.30 | NChief | http://pastebin.com/QRWV7nFV my interfaces config. (the ip addresses is obviously made up) |
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| 19:00.29 | babilen | NChief: Why don't you configure it directly in /etc/network/interfaces and get rid of the hooks? |
| 19:01.27 | jelly-home | NChief: netmasks for those addresses are incorrect, they should be the same as the first address when they're in the same segment |
| 19:01.39 | NChief | babilen: what do you mean? |
| 19:01.42 | jelly-home | babilen: this is shorter. |
| 19:02.14 | jelly-home | NChief: broadcasts are incorrect as well, then |
| 19:03.41 | NChief | the extra ips are actually not in the same range as the main ip. (they are totaly diffrent) |
| 19:04.17 | markovh | what would be involved if you wanted to install an additional io scheduler (bfq) |
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| 19:04.22 | jelly-home | NChief: my willingness to help is dramatically lowered now. |
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| 19:04.33 | NChief | why |
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| 19:04.50 | pestilence | how do you change the theme in gnome shell? there seems to be nothing in the system settings |
| 19:04.53 | jelly-home | because you expect help and provide misleading info |
| 19:04.57 | lennox | anyone know how to fix screen when it says No more PTYs? |
| 19:05.06 | lennox | it works fine as root, just no other users can use it. |
| 19:05.17 | NChief | I dont sea how I have provided misleading info |
| 19:05.37 | pestilence | oh. advanced settings. |
| 19:05.53 | babilen | NChief: The IP addresses you pasted are not in line with reality |
| 19:06.18 | pestilence | what is the default font supposed to be? |
| 19:06.36 | pestilence | comic sans? |
| 19:06.40 | jelly-home | NChief: but here's a free hint: you'll have to set up separate addresses and networks on the same interface, you make data got thru their respective routers, you'll have to set up policy-based routing with multiple routing tables. lartc.org might be of help. |
| 19:07.08 | jelly-home | s/you make data/and make traffic/ |
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| 19:08.20 | NChief | http://pastebin.com/DR4BVrLv this should be more in line with reality |
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| 19:10.13 | pestilence | what are the dotrc files that i could remove that would re-set all font and theme settings to their default values? |
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| 19:10.37 | blairsooley | aptitude: /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libapt-pkg.so.4.10) |
| 19:10.38 | blairsooley | ?? |
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| 19:10.52 | Lars_G | Does anyone know of a .dsc for 3.x kernels I could use as a starting poing for a squeeze/wheezy 3.x package build? All I see in the repos even for experimental is 2.6 :/ (searching as linux-image) |
| 19:11.23 | jelly-home | blairsooley: either remove that custom built zlib from /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1, or remove /usr/local/lib from /etc/ld.so.conf*/* |
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| 19:11.59 | jelly-home | blairsooley: in both cases, you'll have to run "ldconfig" after fixing |
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| 19:12.15 | Lars_G | duh I should've included 3. in the search, sorry |
| 19:12.16 | Lars_G | nvm |
| 19:12.38 | tremon | Lars_G: there's also linux-image-trunk in experimental |
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| 19:13.10 | Lars_G | tremon: Yeah I found it. thanks I'll use 3.7-trunk-686-pae's dsc as a starting point |
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| 19:13.51 | tremon | !tell Lars_G about make-kpkg |
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| 19:14.31 | jelly-home | NChief: you might get help in ##networking or ##linux if noone answers here; personally I'm not going to look at further munged configs, sorry |
| 19:14.36 | Lars_G | tremon: I use dget generally, and then twiddle on the options, but thanks |
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| 19:15.09 | Lars_G | Aha |
| 19:15.12 | NChief | jelly-home: ok, thanks. |
| 19:15.22 | Lars_G | tremon: Thanks for the heads up, this would be my first kernel .deb |
| 19:15.40 | tremon | Lars_G: although, I saw too late that it says "is *no longer* the recommended way" |
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| 19:17.49 | Aut0Exec | hi guys... i need some serious help with getting iptables setup on a new vps .... i add rules based on http://wiki.debian.org/iptables but... they dont all work... ports 443, and 30000 are still showing closed when i portscan |
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| 19:18.34 | Aut0Exec | please help |
| 19:18.38 | Lars_G | tremon: But it guided me to the handbook, which I'll have to tweak a little as I want a kernel version "outside" my distro |
| 19:18.45 | jelly-home | Aut0Exec: which debian release do you have installed? |
| 19:18.50 | Aut0Exec | stable |
| 19:18.59 | Aut0Exec | jelly-home: stable |
| 19:19.15 | Lars_G | Aut0Exec: Do you have stuff actually listening on these ports? You can let it thorough with iptables but if there's nothing listening there.... |
| 19:19.22 | jelly-home | Aut0Exec: that's not saying much. what does "dpkg -l libc6 |tail -n 1" say? |
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| 19:20.05 | Aut0Exec | ii libc6 2.11.3-3 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 19:20.19 | Aut0Exec | jelly-home: ^^ |
| 19:20.22 | jelly-home | squeeze then, good, that _is_ current stable |
| 19:20.27 | Aut0Exec | ok |
| 19:20.38 | Aut0Exec | Lars_G: you sure something has to be listening? |
| 19:21.06 | Aut0Exec | Lars_G: i thought once i open the port it will still show open when i scan even if something is not listening |
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| 19:21.11 | jelly-home | Aut0Exec: pastebin the output of "netstat -tapn |grep LISTEN" and "iptables -S", please |
| 19:21.27 | Hrym | Anyone that could point me in the right direction on how to debug a computer which randomly freezes? MagicSysRq doesn't work, no visible output or anything saved to the logs. I have done some runs with memtests, but so far no errors. :( |
| 19:21.43 | Lars_G | Aut0Exec: No, the port will show open only if something is listening. Else there will be no response, thus, closed. |
| 19:22.05 | Aut0Exec | perhaps thats why |
| 19:22.18 | jelly-home | actually, there WILL be a RST response, "connection refused" |
| 19:22.38 | Aut0Exec | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:587 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 19:22.40 | Aut0Exec | tcp 0 0 198.147.21.27:8337 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 19:22.42 | Aut0Exec | tcp 0 0 198.147.21.27:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 19:22.43 | babilen | !paste |
| 19:22.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 19:22.44 | Aut0Exec | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.2:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 19:22.46 | Aut0Exec | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 19:22.48 | Aut0Exec | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 19:22.50 | Aut0Exec | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 19:22.51 | babilen | Aut0Exec: STOP |
| 19:22.52 | Aut0Exec | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:953 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 19:22.54 | Aut0Exec | tcp6 0 0 :::6667 :::* LISTEN - |
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| 19:23.08 | jelly-home | babilen: you stop, he would have been kicked by now |
| 19:23.09 | babilen | Aut0Exec: Use a pastebin! |
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| 19:23.27 | tremon | I think that last one depends on the iptables policy. A dropped port (-j DROP) is indistiguishable from nothing listening |
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| 19:23.42 | Aut0Exec | sorry |
| 19:23.49 | tremon | but an actively rejected port (-j REJECT) shows up differently |
| 19:23.52 | Aut0Exec | wont happene again accident |
| 19:23.55 | babilen | jelly-home: Not at that rate |
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| 19:24.15 | jelly-home | :-( |
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| 19:25.32 | abrotman | do it faster! |
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| 19:27.04 | Aut0Exec | Lars_G: you was right... thanks brother |
| 19:27.24 | Aut0Exec | Lars_G: i did a netcat -l -p xxxx and it works.. shows open |
| 19:28.02 | jelly-home | oh look an irc server! |
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| 19:31.04 | w0rm-_x | why installing emacs takes millions of years. |
| 19:31.29 | babilen | w0rm-_x: Please elaborate :) |
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| 19:32.07 | w0rm-_x | babilen, good suggestion. |
| 19:32.37 | jgiorgi_ | attempting to switch a running system over to a software raid1 setup, when I boot grub only sees the recovery mode entry, it boots but doesnt show the original boot entry or the new raid entry, im thinking grub is falling back to the original boot partition |
| 19:33.31 | w0rm-_x | when installing emcas,, apt-get install emacs, it says ""'Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20120929-15:56'in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter"" |
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| 19:33.39 | w0rm-_x | are you serious? |
| 19:33.58 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:34.03 | w0rm-_x | Media change: please insert the disc labeled |
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| 19:34.06 | w0rm-_x | what disc |
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| 19:34.16 | abrotman | it tellls you which one |
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| 19:34.23 | w0rm-_x | I don't have a disc. |
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| 19:34.33 | w0rm-_x | I installed Debian from a usb |
| 19:34.41 | abrotman | then comment out that source, run aptitude update, do it again |
| 19:34.41 | babilen | w0rm-_x: Are you connected to the internet on that box? It is most likely the disc you installed from. |
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| 19:34.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell w0rm-_x -about make squeeze sources.list |
| 19:35.13 | babilen | w0rm-_x: You might want to edit your sources.list if you don't want to use CDs but online repositories |
| 19:36.02 | w0rm-_x | babilen, ok thanks, this did not happen when installing other softwares |
| 19:36.15 | w0rm-_x | such as nedit |
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| 19:41.37 | confusid | just installed testing and it started up and I'm in what looks like gnome but it gave an error saying gnome 3 did not load. |
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| 19:44.57 | dennisvb | Hi! |
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| 19:48.48 | alexwaters | can anyone tell me why this init.d script start my process but won't stop it? http://codepad.org/ifFltq2t |
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| 19:49.31 | nkuttler | alexwaters: well.. you should look at /etc/init.d/skeleton, and use set -x to debug |
| 19:50.37 | benedikt | Is there a sensible (and safe) way to resize an LVM volume on top of LUKS? |
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| 19:52.03 | benedikt | My scenario. I want to put a small-ish SSD as my main system (and use LUKS), and use my old drive for large data and /var. I the need to make room on it for /var (hence the resizeing) and I don't have a spare drive to store my data on temporarily while I would format the drive and set it up fresh. |
| 19:53.01 | dennisvb | benedikt: how much data do you need to backup? |
| 19:53.28 | benedikt | dennisvb: about 1.3TB |
| 19:53.34 | benedikt | the SSD is 120G |
| 19:53.47 | benedikt | and I dont have any other drives large enough to use a temporary storage. |
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| 19:53.53 | benedikt | the platter drive is 2T |
| 19:54.29 | eyedea | I did apt-get autoremove and it deleted a BUNCH of programs for some weird reason, I don't have the default terminal left, how can I install it again? |
| 19:54.40 | dennisvb | benedikt: mmm then I can't help you sorry. |
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| 19:55.07 | benedikt | eyedea: sounds like it deleted a metapackage for you. what window manager do you use (i.e. what is your default terminal)? |
| 19:55.28 | eyedea | xfce4 |
| 19:55.48 | eyedea | fixed it |
| 19:55.53 | eyedea | install gnome-terminal |
| 19:55.55 | eyedea | thanks :) |
| 19:56.11 | tremon | benedikt: don't resize without backups |
| 19:56.36 | benedikt | i havent resized a partition in ~10 years. is it still as unsafe as it was? |
| 19:57.01 | tremon | eyedea: sure you don't want xfce4-terminal? |
| 19:57.03 | dexta | i woudnt see how it makes a difference |
| 19:57.05 | jhutchins_wk | benedikt: Always a chance for error, especially if a human operator is involved. |
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| 19:57.16 | benedikt | fair enough |
| 19:57.34 | tremon | benedikt: no it's pretty safe, I've lvm-resized servers without downtime. But not without backups |
| 19:57.47 | jhutchins_wk | benedikt: I've found that since you need to do the backup anyway, just repartitioning and restoring can be a lot faster. |
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| 19:59.20 | benedikt | jhutchins_wk: the problem is that i'm lacking disk space to do the backup |
| 19:59.31 | benedikt | maybe i'll just buy another drive.. |
| 19:59.50 | tremon | benedikt: if I understand you correctly, you currently have all your data on a 2tb drive? and you want to add an ssd for / ? |
| 20:00.00 | benedikt | yup |
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| 20:00.02 | benedikt | except /var |
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| 20:00.08 | benedikt | i'd like to keep that on a platter |
| 20:00.27 | benedikt | maybe it's not nessecary any more though? |
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| 20:00.42 | tremon | you don't need to resize existing partitions for that |
| 20:01.44 | tremon | just create a new lv to hold your / partition, then init 1 and rsync/copy/tar your / over |
| 20:01.59 | tremon | then make sure the system can boot from the new root lv |
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| 20:02.05 | benedikt | hum |
| 20:02.20 | benedikt | i don't quite follow |
| 20:02.37 | tremon | ok, which part? |
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| 20:04.28 | benedikt | you mean i should create a new lv for / on the ss? |
| 20:04.30 | benedikt | ssd* |
| 20:04.56 | tremon | yes, that's probably your easiest option. Instantaneous backup too ;) |
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| 20:05.01 | benedikt | and then move my old / to the SSD? |
| 20:05.14 | tremon | yes, without the dirs you don't want moved |
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| 20:05.28 | OltreIrc`40304 | hi |
| 20:05.45 | benedikt | fair enough. but i wanted to take this oppertunity and do a re-install. this install got out of hand somewhere along the way |
| 20:05.50 | tremon | I'm assuming that you have /home in a separate lv already |
| 20:05.58 | benedikt | nope. |
| 20:06.04 | benedikt | tahts one of the things i want to fix |
| 20:06.20 | benedikt | i'm leaving ubuntu (permanently this time) and going back to debian (hence why i am here) |
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| 20:07.07 | tremon | ah. ok, that complicates things. Still, you can re-install debian on the ssd and worry about moving /var off the ssd later |
| 20:07.22 | benedikt | yeah, thats probably a good approach |
| 20:07.30 | benedikt | but |
| 20:07.34 | benedikt | then i have one extra question |
| 20:07.36 | factor | I cant seems to get a kernel I compile to boot any more. I make the kernel with fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=.00000 kernel_image |
| 20:07.45 | benedikt | will i have to enter two different passphrases? |
| 20:07.52 | factor | Why wont my kernel boot, on a newer UEFI system |
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| 20:08.03 | factor | does that have anything to do with it |
| 20:08.09 | tremon | by default, yes, but you can reconfigure it |
| 20:08.34 | benedikt | right. but the init deamon is intelligent enough to prompt for both? |
| 20:08.38 | factor | it says somehting about cand find root. |
| 20:08.57 | benedikt | but this means i will have two separate LUKS, right? |
| 20:09.04 | babilen | factor: There could be many reasons. Why do you compile a kernel in the first place. make-kpkg has also been slightly deprecated in favour of pkg-deb (cf. http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html) |
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| 20:09.30 | tremon | benedikt: yes, two separate luks. If you don't want that, you can use luks-on-lvm instead, but I don't recommend that |
| 20:09.42 | factor | I need to make a CUDA kernel , plus would like the latest kernel |
| 20:09.42 | babilen | factor: Sounds as if you forgot to compile support for filesystems you use into the kernel (or generate a suitable initramfs) |
| 20:09.43 | benedikt | tremon: thats sounds horrible. |
| 20:09.59 | factor | its just ext fs |
| 20:10.00 | benedikt | i can deal with two LUKSes. Specially if i can make them have the same passphrase and just be prompted once. |
| 20:10.05 | tremon | you should look into keyscript_derived from cryptsetup, you can have cryptsetup automatically unlock your second luks from the first |
| 20:10.11 | babilen | factor: You can grab 3.7 from experimental fwiw -- and what is a CUDA kernel? |
| 20:10.19 | benedikt | tremon: awesome. thanks for your help. |
| 20:10.27 | babilen | factor: cuda for me is related to a computing platform on nvidia GPUs |
| 20:10.40 | factor | CUDA means I compile CUDA on top of it from NVIDIA |
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| 20:11.02 | factor | but the fs is ext4 |
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| 20:11.06 | tremon | benedikt: anytime. It's always better to ask before bricking than after :) |
| 20:11.30 | benedikt | thats a lesson i learned the hard way |
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| 20:12.00 | factor | babilen, so does ext4 need to be compiled as core and not as module? |
| 20:12.02 | tremon | most people do |
| 20:12.24 | babilen | factor: Well, try the instructions in the kernel handbook, but IIRC you can just install the nvidia-cuda-* packages can't you? |
| 20:12.56 | babilen | factor: You need a suitable initramfs (with ext4 modules) if you don't compile it into the kernel |
| 20:13.00 | factor | well i want the latest kernel , woudl like to know how to get it working, so I can make new images when releases come out |
| 20:13.06 | babilen | factor: But as I mentioned: you can just install 3.7 from expeirmental |
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| 20:13.49 | factor | So I would need to add module to it make-kpkg --append-to-version=.030401 kernel_image modules_image |
| 20:14.13 | ompaul | factor: custom kernels read this: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 20:14.24 | babilen | ompaul: I already mentioned that |
| 20:14.29 | babilen | :( |
| 20:14.43 | ompaul | babilen: it seemed to be overlooked ok ;-) |
| 20:14.59 | ompaul | stupid like break killed my spatial recognition |
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| 20:15.29 | babilen | factor: you have to add --initrd before kernel_image if you want that. But simply use the "pkg-deb" make target in lieu of make-kpkg ... I still don't quite understand why you have to compile the kernel yourself though. |
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| 20:16.06 | factor | ahh ok yes that sounds familiar |
| 20:16.52 | somiaj | babilen: is make-kpkg obsoleted these days then? I haven't built a kernel since 3.0 as I got tired of keeping up with the kernel changes |
| 20:17.08 | babilen | somiaj: same here, but yeah that is my understanding |
| 20:17.27 | factor | just using make deb-pkg then |
| 20:17.35 | luminous | hello! is there a relatively straightforward way to "reinstall the GUI" - everything included in a default 6.x install? |
| 20:17.54 | somiaj | luminous: what do you mean reinstall? Is this a fresh system or one you are trying to fix? |
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| 20:18.27 | factor | babilen, thansk for the help |
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| 20:18.38 | luminous | somiaj: one I am trying to fix |
| 20:18.40 | somiaj | luminous: if it is just a fresh system, the default is to use a program called 'tasksel' -- you can just install that (or if it is already installed) run it and select the default desktop enviorment and it will install all the packages like a fresh install |
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| 20:19.00 | somiaj | luminous: if you are trying to fix, you may want to narrow down what the problem is as opposed to reinstall everything |
| 20:19.10 | luminous | I'm gone that route |
| 20:19.17 | somiaj | luminous: also what is broken? If what is borken is your users config files in $HOME/ then reinstalling will do you no good |
| 20:19.23 | somiaj | luminous: as it won't modify the users config files at all. |
| 20:19.30 | luminous | x11 packages |
| 20:19.42 | luminous | video drivers mainly |
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| 20:20.02 | somiaj | luminous: msg dpkg reinstall -- you can reinatll everything that way, or refine your search |
| 20:20.09 | babilen | factor: and once again: You can just install the 3.7 kernel from experimental, you get Debian patches hand-picked by Ben himself and no need to compile anything |
| 20:20.10 | somiaj | luminous: well then just reinstall the video driver packages. |
| 20:20.34 | luminous | somiaj: tried that and I get stuck in areally nasty dependency hell hole |
| 20:20.43 | Posterdati | please I've got problem with kde on wheezy: kwin freezes the session at login, only killing kdm and relogin fixes the problem |
| 20:20.49 | luminous | that is why I'd like to ask debian to reset itself |
| 20:21.05 | luminous | in terms of default X packages installed |
| 20:21.34 | somiaj | luminous: if you got stuck in dependencies, you must be mixing things. Care to provide a copy of your sources.list |
| 20:21.35 | ompaul | Posterdati: not seeing this myself. Can you check if you are launching sessions clean or trying to pick up where the previous session left off? |
| 20:21.35 | babilen | Posterdati: Anything on http://bugs.debian.org ? |
| 20:21.44 | factor | But not the latest NVIDIA kernel drivers. |
| 20:21.48 | somiaj | luminous: if you are in a dependency loop, you have to kinda manually fix what ever you broke |
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| 20:21.49 | luminous | sure, one moment |
| 20:21.50 | babilen | Posterdati: Does it happen with a new user? |
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| 20:22.01 | dennisvb | If I want to install Debian wheezy can I use the net install iso on this page? |
| 20:22.08 | babilen | factor: Which version do you need? |
| 20:22.08 | dennisvb | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:22.15 | factor | when a new one comes I like to grab the newest. Just installingon a new system and D7. having to switch up to the new stuff |
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| 20:22.40 | factor | NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-313.18.run |
| 20:22.41 | babilen | dennisvb: No, use the one with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/ that I mentioned earlier |
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| 20:22.55 | luminous | somiaj: I'd rather not get stuck investing more and more time, to be honest, so that is why I was looking to get it back up and running quickly. I need to extract some information that is only available through gnome, and then nuke the system and start fresh |
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| 20:22.59 | dennisvb | babilen: thanks |
| 20:23.20 | babilen | factor: 313.18 is in experimental as well (nvidia-kernel-dkms) and you can just install that (assuming you use wheezy or sid) |
| 20:23.31 | somiaj | luminous: well if the problem is you are mixing unoffical sources and getting dependency issues because of that, there is no automated way to reinstall things. |
| 20:23.32 | luminous | somiaj: I spent a few hours, a few times, trying to get through the dependency issues, so I'm not feeling warm and fuzzy with apt |
| 20:23.33 | babilen | dpkg: tell factor -about nvidia kernel dkms |
| 20:23.42 | tremon | luminous: if the system state is broken, you need apt-get install -f . If your packages are broken, you need aptitude reinstall. If your config is broken, you need dpkg --force-conf{ask,new} |
| 20:23.46 | luminous | somiaj: yea, let's confirm that bit :) |
| 20:23.52 | luminous | I will dig up sources.list |
| 20:23.57 | somiaj | luminous: so that is why I want your sources.list, if you are really running debian 6.0, you should not be getting these 'dependency' issues |
| 20:24.02 | tremon | luminous: and if apt is giving you dependency hell, you need paste.debian.net ;) |
| 20:24.02 | luminous | I did not change much, added mozilla and I think maybe one other |
| 20:24.03 | babilen | factor: That comes with the additional advantage that the drivers don't mess in strange ways with symlinks on Debian they shouldn't touch |
| 20:24.21 | luminous | tremon: awesome, ty for that info |
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| 20:24.46 | somiaj | luminous: so yea there is no automated way to fix things. One way you could try is this. a) remove all but the offical debian soures. Then b) /msg dpkg obsolete |
| 20:24.47 | luminous | tremon: are any of those potentially dangerous if what they act on is NOT broken? |
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| 20:24.56 | babilen | factor: You need "aptitude -r -t experimental install nvidia-kernel-dkms" to pull them from experimental (and you naturally have to enable experimental before htat) |
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| 20:25.23 | tremon | luminous: yes, the last one removes any custom configuration you might have done to your system |
| 20:25.35 | somiaj | luminous: that factiod will tell you how to track down all of the packages you have installed that did not come offical from debian sources (since you removed them from your sources.list) |
| 20:25.42 | factor | looking at my boot structures I can see initrd was not built for kernel compile I made |
| 20:25.42 | somiaj | luminous: so that could help narrow down what you need to fix. |
| 20:25.42 | babilen | factor: I would strongly recommend to follow that way as it makes a bunch of things easier. (e.g. you get a kernel that works + correctly installed nvidia drivers) |
| 20:25.54 | luminous | somiaj: nice, ty |
| 20:25.56 | somiaj | luminous: anyways I have to go, good luck |
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| 20:26.05 | luminous | ok, will try a few htings and post sources.list |
| 20:26.07 | babilen | factor: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 20:26.10 | luminous | ty somiaj |
| 20:26.21 | factor | Debian 7 |
| 20:26.23 | dorphalsig | Hello, I'm trying to set up a tape drive under debian 6. However I can't see it anywhere |
| 20:26.28 | factor | I just installed it |
| 20:26.32 | tremon | luminous: while you're at it, also paste the output of apt-cache policy |
| 20:26.36 | factor | bought a new quad 4.2 ghz |
| 20:26.55 | cviebrock | hi … bit of a weird question: I can only ssh into a remote server if I explicitly do "ssh -oPreferredAuthentications=password user@host". Without the -o… part, it skips asking for a password (only tries public key) and fails |
| 20:27.05 | factor | has the two pcie slots so I can test nvidia SLI |
| 20:27.10 | luminous | cviebrock: use -v or -vv |
| 20:27.40 | cviebrock | plus, this probably only happens on some of my machines (like my Mac), but not forinstance on an Ubuntu 12.10 box I have |
| 20:27.44 | babilen | factor: Well, so just add experimental to your sources.list, install the 3.7 kernel from there along with kernel headers. Then you can easily install the 313.18 nvidia driver in a /supported/ and /working/ way by running "aptitude -r -t experimental nvidia-kernel-dkms" (see "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy" for configuration help) |
| 20:27.56 | cviebrock | luminous: i've tried that, but i don't see anything obvious |
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| 20:28.05 | tremon | cviebrock: man 5 ssh_config |
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| 20:28.11 | luminous | cviebrock: how about on the other side, if you ca? |
| 20:28.15 | luminous | *can |
| 20:28.30 | babilen | factor: But I am not sure why you need 3.7 - but I am not going to argue that point. (you can use the 313.18 nvidia-kernel-dkms package just fine with 3.2 in wheezy) |
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| 20:28.36 | cviebrock | i don't have access to the other side (ie. the server I'm sshing to) |
| 20:28.39 | tremon | cviebrock: check for explicit host definitions |
| 20:28.54 | cviebrock | and, ssh_config on all of my client boxes are identical |
| 20:29.03 | babilen | factor: Using the nvidia installer and compiling your own kernel just complicates things and will /at best/ work as good as the supported and recommended variant :) |
| 20:29.10 | dorphalsig | Hello, I'm trying to set up a tape drive under debian 6. However I can't see it anywhere. All I can see is scsi target 3:0:3 mptspi: ioc0: mpt_config failed |
| 20:29.23 | tremon | cviebrock: have you checked both ~ and /etc versions? |
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| 20:31.07 | cviebrock | there are no ~ versions |
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| 20:31.16 | cviebrock | or host defs |
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| 20:31.26 | cviebrock | one sec, i'm just diffing the output from -vvv |
| 20:31.44 | tremon | ok, are all clients the same versions? the -o options only override client-side config |
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| 20:33.03 | factor | Anyone know why KDE audio or networking manager is not working. net works but lower level I guess. but dont have control of on the panel , nor the audio |
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| 20:34.12 | factor | I have to use alsamixer to set audio |
| 20:34.19 | babilen | factor: What do you mean by "networking manager" not working? Is it installed? (dpkg -l network-manager-kde|tail -n1) Do you have interfaces you want it to manage defined in /etc/network/interfaces ? How did you install wheezy? |
| 20:34.20 | factor | and not kmix |
| 20:34.34 | cviebrock | clients are different versions, OpenSSH_5.9p1 and SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.6 (on my mac) fail … OpenSSH_6.0p1 works |
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| 20:34.50 | cviebrock | also, Putty on a WinXP virtual machine works |
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| 20:35.06 | factor | babilen, how about audio with kmix? |
| 20:35.23 | tremon | cviebrock: the only thing I can think of is that on the non-working clients, they changed the compiled-in defaults about what authentication methods to try |
| 20:35.33 | babilen | factor: I have and probable will never use KDE. I have absolutely no idea about KDE and how its audio system interacts with ALSA and pulseaudio. |
| 20:35.44 | babilen | *probably |
| 20:35.46 | luminous | tremon: http://dpaste.de/cpOXB |
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| 20:36.39 | tremon | luminous: ok, nothing special there. Also, no files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
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| 20:37.11 | luminous | tremon: http://dpaste.de/m3wRR |
| 20:37.12 | cviebrock | tremon: on a one that fails, I get "Authentications that can continue: password,publickey" in the verbose output |
| 20:37.22 | cviebrock | which, to me, suggests that it would try password |
| 20:37.28 | luminous | tremon: they were included in that paste, last two |
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| 20:37.50 | tremon | however, if you have installed the X server from backports, you may need to use -t squeeze-backports if you try to reinstall |
| 20:38.12 | tremon | cviebrock: that would seem to, yes. Unless that line was a server response |
| 20:39.11 | tremon | I don't know enough about the ssh protocol to know how auth negotiation works exactly |
| 20:39.30 | luminous | tremon: so if trying to install xserver-xorg-video-ati, i should include -t squeeze-backports ? |
| 20:39.47 | luminous | i should not have installed from backports, but maybe it happened |
| 20:39.51 | tremon | luminous: yes, if you already have that version installed |
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| 20:40.07 | tremon | you can check with apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 20:40.08 | luminous | I added backports after getting GUI on default install |
| 20:41.13 | cviebrock | fwiw, here is the output with -vvv of a failed attempt |
| 20:41.14 | cviebrock | http://paste.laravel.com/hBP/raw |
| 20:41.26 | luminous | going to see what tasksel gets me |
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| 20:43.29 | ompaul | cviebrock: at the end you get the clue ... debug1: Trying private key: /home/cmv/.ssh/id_dsa your client and target don't know each other at all |
| 20:43.44 | cviebrock | corect |
| 20:43.45 | cviebrock | they dont |
| 20:43.53 | cviebrock | but, it should prompt me for a password |
| 20:44.14 | cviebrock | when all the pk attempts fail |
| 20:44.15 | ompaul | cviebrock: the .pub file from the client should be sitting on the server side in a file called "authorized_keys" |
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| 20:44.24 | cviebrock | no |
| 20:44.27 | cviebrock | you misunderstand |
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| 20:44.36 | ompaul | goes back to smoking crack |
| 20:44.39 | cviebrock | I'm not trying to do key-based auth |
| 20:44.40 | cviebrock | : |
| 20:44.50 | ompaul | what do you want to do? |
| 20:44.59 | cviebrock | i *want* password-based … but the server isn't prompting me |
| 20:45.15 | cviebrock | *and* … it does prompt me on some of my clients, but not others |
| 20:45.25 | Posterdati | ompaul: it happens after I logged out from another user |
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| 20:46.12 | ompaul | cviebrock: are they keys which need passwords from some clients |
| 20:46.19 | luminous | hrm, no better |
| 20:46.29 | ompaul | you can have keys with passwords on them |
| 20:46.32 | cviebrock | ompaul: not passphrases … passwords |
| 20:46.38 | cviebrock | plain password-based auth |
| 20:46.44 | luminous | tremon: do you have any suggestions where i should pursue this next? |
| 20:46.52 | Posterdati | babilen: it happens after I logged out from another user, the session freezes at the kwin config icon, but desktop applications are launched, I heard the skype starting sound :) |
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| 20:47.23 | ompaul | cviebrock: and have you an example of ssh -vvv from a working host? |
| 20:47.30 | cviebrock | one sec |
| 20:47.36 | tremon | luminous: well you can start by describing the problem you have. Otherwise, you've already been given the commands you need to reinstall packages |
| 20:47.42 | Posterdati | babilen: 5760 angel 20 0 2659m 72m 50m R 99.9 3.9 27:23.67 kwin |
| 20:47.53 | Posterdati | babilen: this was the first line of top |
| 20:47.57 | Posterdati | output |
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| 20:48.13 | babilen | Posterdati: Looks as if something is wrong with kwin, have you checked the BTS? |
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| 20:48.44 | Posterdati | babilen: yes, bug nvidia related, but I purged the drivers and reinstalled from scratch |
| 20:49.19 | cviebrock | ompaul: this one works http://paste.laravel.com/hBQ/raw |
| 20:49.49 | babilen | Posterdati: How did you install? Can you consistently reproduce the issue? |
| 20:50.06 | Posterdati | abrotman: same issue |
| 20:50.12 | jhutchins_wk | cviebrock: Paste your sshd_config from the target host please. |
| 20:50.25 | marcel` | how do i connect to my daap server using banshee, cannot find a plugin or dialogue to set it up :-( |
| 20:50.46 | abrotman | looks at Posterdati quizically .. |
| 20:51.07 | Posterdati | babilen: install what? |
| 20:51.25 | cviebrock | jhutchins_wk: the server I'm trying to connect to? I don't have access to that file |
| 20:51.27 | babilen | Posterdati: The nvidia driver in this case -- Can you consistently reproduce the issue? |
| 20:51.36 | cviebrock | lemme see if i can get it though |
| 20:51.38 | Posterdati | via apt-get |
| 20:51.43 | Posterdati | babilen: via apt-get |
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| 20:52.12 | ompaul | cviebrock: hosts.deny? just random idea |
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| 20:52.44 | cviebrock | dont think so |
| 20:53.03 | cviebrock | i can't connect from my mac, but can from a Windows virtual machine running on my mac |
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| 20:54.21 | cviebrock | jhutchins_wk: it appears the server is running CoreFTP-0.3.1 … which I think is a Windows thang |
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| 20:55.10 | Posterdati | babilen: issue happens everytime I logged off and login |
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| 20:56.43 | tremon | cviebrock: so, in short, you can't connect from OS/X to Windows, but you can connect from Debian to Windows? |
| 20:57.02 | cviebrock | from one version of debian to Windows, yes :) |
| 20:57.18 | cviebrock | and from windows to windows |
| 20:57.20 | tremon | do you have non-working debian versions? ;) |
| 20:57.28 | cviebrock | yes |
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| 20:58.43 | tremon | the trace you just gave was from the debian machine? I though it said openssh 5.9? |
| 20:58.55 | tremon | anyway, I'm still thinking it's a client configuration issue |
| 20:59.23 | tremon | there's no way you'd be able to solve a server problem specifying ssh -o "anything" user@server |
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| 20:59.52 | ompaul | cviebrock: eh, what version of debian again? |
| 20:59.58 | tremon | *by* specifying |
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| 21:01.06 | cviebrock | yeah, it's clearly something odd about particular clients |
| 21:01.17 | ompaul | cviebrock: eh, what version of debian again? |
| 21:01.25 | cviebrock | the machine that doesn't work is Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS, the one that does is Ubuntu 12.10 |
| 21:01.30 | ompaul | cviebrock: and the -vvv you showed us said Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-3ubuntu1 works this does not debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.9p1 Debian-5ubuntu1 and my sidish box says Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-3 |
| 21:01.30 | cviebrock | so … not really Debian :? |
| 21:01.32 | cviebrock | :/ |
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| 21:02.05 | ompaul | yeah so like for like comparisons are not going to work are they - and how are we to replicate the exact differences? |
| 21:02.18 | ompaul | ubuntu has it's own channels for this reason |
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| 21:02.38 | cviebrock | my mistake … although it doesn't work from my actual Debian box either :) |
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| 21:02.58 | ompaul | cviebrock: run debian everywhere - it works :-) |
| 21:03.13 | ompaul | MrCupp: that is the best domain name I have seen in years :) |
| 21:03.14 | cviebrock | :P … not on this one |
| 21:03.27 | ompaul | that is ubuntu ... and there you go |
| 21:03.30 | cviebrock | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5 |
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| 21:03.46 | ompaul | -5 |
| 21:03.58 | cviebrock | yeah, a bit out of date |
| 21:04.11 | MrCupp | :D |
| 21:04.46 | cviebrock | does this make any sense: http://answers.tectia.com/questions/1276/unable-to-connect-to-coreftp-sftp-server |
| 21:04.59 | cviebrock | have a look a the first (only) answer |
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| 21:05.18 | cviebrock | obv. if this is a bug in their crappy SFTP server, then so be it. |
| 21:05.20 | ompaul | it's trying to be ssh on windows - run it via cygwin and lock down the network to only allow conversations from the right box |
| 21:05.36 | cviebrock | I have no access to the server I am trying to connect to |
| 21:05.51 | ompaul | in more than once sense ( |
| 21:05.54 | cviebrock | hehe |
| 21:05.59 | ompaul | s/once/one/ |
| 21:06.06 | cviebrock | could it be a difference in agent forwarding on my clients? |
| 21:06.38 | ompaul | cviebrock: after reading that report you can't claim it is a known good ssh server so trying to work with known working stuff is hard |
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| 21:07.05 | ompaul | cviebrock: talk to the box owner and suggest they get a clue or some such but that is a windows issue as far as I can see |
| 21:07.06 | cviebrock | i have no illusions about this server being good or bad .. :) |
| 21:07.12 | martin_ | hi, when i try to use patch i get patch command not found |
| 21:07.27 | abcdefg_ | With kickstart I can do a full debian install? So I can set up all the stuff like hostname, what packages, boot from where and so on? |
| 21:07.32 | martin_ | which package contains patch? |
| 21:07.32 | ompaul | once you can get in with any one box and you say you are doing exactly the same with other boxes and they fail - not the clients ime |
| 21:07.36 | abcdefg_ | How does kickstart interface with debian installer? |
| 21:07.50 | cviebrock | ompaul: i agree |
| 21:07.52 | ompaul | cviebrock: it takes some serious nasty messing to break clients in a bad way |
| 21:08.06 | ompaul | so that request must be filed in /dev/null |
| 21:08.16 | cviebrock | thanks for your help |
| 21:08.22 | ompaul | cheers |
| 21:08.43 | tremon | martin_: patch |
| 21:08.58 | ompaul | cviebrock: as a test case set up sshd on your own boxes you can access and ssh back and forth and be happy the clients work |
| 21:09.18 | ompaul | if they don't check down about four channels -->> over there in #ubuntu given what you mostly rujn |
| 21:09.18 | cviebrock | oh, i have no problems sshing all over the place :) |
| 21:09.23 | martin_ | where can i download the package tremon ? |
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| 21:09.52 | ompaul | then why ask - reduce the issue logically and agree with yourself |
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| 21:10.22 | cviebrock | hehe … just wanted to double check it wasn't something on my end before I tell them to fix their end |
| 21:10.53 | ompaul | have confidence in your work |
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| 21:12.06 | tremon | !tell martin_ about refcard |
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| 21:21.02 | ttyS1 | Hello why does Debian Chromium default home page asks me to Join the commercial google service. This browser is under the main repository. If i try and click join Chromium it takes me to the Google login page. I would think that since Chromium is free and open source software and it's listed under the main Debian repository it would not be advertising a company's services. |
| 21:21.54 | ompaul | ttyS1: is there a bug opened about that? if not perhaps you should do that. |
| 21:22.09 | nkuttler | ttyS1: what is the default home? |
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| 21:23.00 | Nik05 | ttyS1 iceweasel also got the google spyware |
| 21:23.26 | Nik05 | standard google search bar, standard google url bar |
| 21:23.40 | ompaul | Nik05: is there a bug reported? if not perhaps you should do that. |
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| 21:24.00 | Nik05 | ompaul will they really remove that? |
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| 21:24.05 | ompaul | the world does not work by drive by bug reports but the use of BTS and its associated services |
| 21:24.15 | ompaul | Nik05: you can but ask |
| 21:24.28 | Nik05 | but its not really a bug... |
| 21:24.29 | ttyS1 | nkuttler: the page that opens when you first open chromium after installing it. it says "not signed in to Chromium (you're missing out sign in)" then at the bottom has a link to the Chrome Web Store |
| 21:24.35 | ompaul | Nik05: freedom is not a bug? |
| 21:24.41 | ompaul | chuckles |
| 21:25.00 | nkuttler | ttyS1: sounds like google's sync service |
| 21:25.05 | confusid | babilen: finally have wheezy installed but the randr is still doing the same thing. Going to google more on it. |
| 21:25.48 | Nik05 | lol ompaul what do you mean? :P |
| 21:26.40 | ompaul | Nik05: the issue you raise is one of the software being free, last time I checked Debian took freedom as a serious issue. |
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| 21:27.33 | ttyS1 | I will open a bug for that. Doesn't really make sense to me. don't think a company should have a free ride at the cost of free software contributors |
| 21:27.34 | Nik05 | yes ok but i dont think they will change it. Google is normal for most people. Sending all your browsing history to Google is normal ;) |
| 21:27.36 | nkuttler | free software/open source doesn't mean you can't use services offered by a company |
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| 21:28.10 | nkuttler | ttyS1: well, google wrote chromium. if you don't like it there are other khtml/webkit browsers |
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| 21:28.45 | ompaul | opera for instance is moving to webkit ... with it's 300 million users but wait opera isn't free ;-) |
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| 21:29.02 | nkuttler | ompaul: free as in beer, isn't it? |
| 21:29.15 | ttyS1 | nkuttler: since they decided to make it free software they are benefiting as well from contributors. in the same way they benefited from Linux |
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| 21:29.52 | ompaul | nkuttler: that one is true, but then too many free beers and you won't know how they took advantage ... when the service is free, you are the product |
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| 21:30.11 | nkuttler | ttyS1: you should check their licensing, it isn't really "free software" |
| 21:30.50 | nkuttler | ompaul: sure, it's an issue the debian project should consider |
| 21:30.53 | mumel | nkuttler: it isn't? |
| 21:31.01 | ttyS1 | ompaul: yes the service is free because they capitalize on it in a different way |
| 21:31.13 | nkuttler | mumel: depending on what "free software" means to you |
| 21:31.28 | mumel | Webkit isn't? Chromium isn't? I prefer to use free software and was unaware of this. |
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| 21:31.49 | nkuttler | mumel: well install vrms and have a look |
| 21:32.14 | ttyS1 | Nik05: giving google all your serach history, bookmarks, files and in short your whole live is only normal because they make it sound like it is. You are only giving a company a lot more control over you |
| 21:32.29 | ttyS1 | f |
| 21:32.32 | Nik05 | yes but why is it in iceweasel? |
| 21:33.02 | nkuttler | Nik05: what is in iceweasel? |
| 21:33.03 | ompaul | Nik05: because some search will be there, you can look at others or set wikipedia |
| 21:33.07 | mumel | nkuttler: vrms reports that there isn't non-free software on my machine, so... is Chromium free software or not? |
| 21:33.16 | nkuttler | yeah, the default search |
| 21:33.27 | ompaul | Nik05: if you feel it should be changed please file a bug |
| 21:33.28 | ttyS1 | Nik05: good question I would like to know that as weel. perhaps the company is so big that it even ends up in Free software some how |
| 21:33.33 | nkuttler | mumel: well it's triple licensed or something |
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| 21:33.56 | Nik05 | nkuttler iceweasel searchbar and urlbar and safebrowsing sends all your stuff to Google on default |
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| 21:34.24 | ompaul | VRMS is a bad program that just checks something against a list of policies as they were some time ago - it is not a good judge it should not be used |
| 21:34.27 | jebb | Has any one been able to install Steam on the latest version of debian with out to much trouble? |
| 21:34.43 | nkuttler | Nik05: i see. yeah, open a bug, and include a list of alternatives |
| 21:35.11 | ompaul | VRMS has been written about many times about how it told people that things were wrong (in particular some fonts) when this was no longer the case and they had been set free by their author |
| 21:35.25 | nkuttler | yeah, not really sure what vrms does. considering debian and the fsf disagree about freedom anyway.. |
| 21:35.41 | ompaul | using VRMS won't help you if your goal is freedom |
| 21:35.42 | nkuttler | ompaul: with sources? |
| 21:36.07 | ZekeS | n |
| 21:36.09 | ttyS1 | Well the truth is that Google is trying by all means to take control and monopolize by giving out great services for free. But at the fine print at the bottom you are giving away your privacy |
| 21:36.14 | ompaul | nkuttler: it used to just do apt-cache policy or something like that and it build results from that |
| 21:36.48 | nkuttler | ttyS1: i agree it's something to consider, but it's probably not limited to a single package |
| 21:36.52 | ompaul | nkuttler: it kept reporting a fonts package wrong - remember where I came from ;-) |
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| 21:37.06 | nkuttler | ompaul: i see |
| 21:37.06 | ttyS1 | nkuttler: yes i agree |
| 21:37.10 | mumel | ompaul: is there a better alternative to vrms? |
| 21:37.26 | ompaul | mumel: checking the package copyright |
| 21:37.30 | nkuttler | ttyS1: and it's kinda hard to draw a line between this company is bad, and this one is good |
| 21:37.41 | Nik05 | nkuttler i see there is already a bug report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=667050 |
| 21:37.42 | nkuttler | ttyS1: what about, e.g. links to documentation hosted by corps? |
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| 21:38.00 | confusid | I'm using arandr and when I try to have left and right monitors it does not change the virtual screen to match and tells me that I cant use a resolution size due to it being out of the virtual screen area. How do I change the virtual screen? with squeeze arandr would do this for me then when I updated my video driver from backports things changed. Then updated all of xorg from back ports. Now I have wheezy installed and |
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| 21:38.03 | peterrooney | nkuttler: sometimes it's easy. Google bought Doubleclick, and had it continue as before. That's easy. |
| 21:38.10 | ompaul | perhaps this isn't really debian ontopic ... |
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| 21:41.06 | ttyS1 | nkuttler: if a company protects your privacy, it's good if it doesn't it's bad |
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| 22:01.00 | Nik05 | oh nkuttler i see here a bug report about the urlbar that send information to google |
| 22:01.47 | Nik05 | and there are alot more but they guy how is answering the bug reports just says "well other browsers do it, so we do it to" |
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| 22:02.19 | Nik05 | so bug reports dont even work, they just get ignored |
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| 22:06.52 | w0rm-_x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:07.19 | Nik05 | ls -i |
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| 22:09.26 | Nik05 | no problem w0rm-_x |
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| 22:11.15 | abcdefg_ | With kickstart I can do a full debian install? So I can set up all the stuff like hostname, what packages, boot from where and so on? |
| 22:11.20 | abcdefg_ | How does kickstart interface with debian installer? |
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| 22:15.27 | w0rm-_x | Nik05, sorry was away, thanks a lot :) |
| 22:15.34 | confusid | is there another gui that handles xrandr but works in wheezy? |
| 22:15.44 | Nik05 | ;) |
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| 22:33.31 | GNU\colossus | it seems impossible to install iceweasel 18.0 from experimental under wheezy. am I doing something wrong? |
| 22:33.48 | wsky | yes |
| 22:33.50 | jhutchins_wk | GNU\colossus: Yes. |
| 22:33.50 | GNU\colossus | "apt-get install -t experimental iceweasel xulrunner-18.0 libnss3" yields: |
| 22:33.51 | GNU\colossus | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.02 | GNU\colossus | yes to the me doing wrong part? |
| 22:34.12 | jhutchins_wk | GNU\colossus: Yes. |
| 22:34.13 | wsky | you're trying to install a package build for experimental in debian wheezy |
| 22:34.19 | tremon | ,v libnss3 |
| 22:34.19 | GNU\colossus | 17.0.1 installed just fine |
| 22:34.21 | judd | Package: libnss3 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2:3.13.5-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 2:3.13.6-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:3.13.6-2; sid: 2:3.14.1.with.ckbi.1.93-1 |
| 22:34.34 | jhutchins_wk | !mdn |
| 22:34.34 | dpkg | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel and Icedove are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze or in <experimental> for wheezy and sid. |
| 22:34.36 | GNU\colossus | wsky, jhutchins_wk that's what mozilla.debian.net suggests. |
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| 22:34.56 | tremon | GNU\colossus: packages from experimental are targeted towards sid. if testing is frozen, that means you can expect incompatibilities |
| 22:34.59 | wsky | GNU\colossus: you could always use officiall mozilla builds from mozilla.org |
| 22:35.19 | jhutchins_wk | I suppose that it's because breaking testing is normal behavior and not considered a production risk. |
| 22:35.23 | tremon | in this case, the required libnss3 is in sid but won't be included in wheezy |
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| 22:37.10 | GNU\colossus | so I'll have to wait for wheezy-backports to appear to get up to date iceweasel/firefox builds? |
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| 22:38.06 | abrotman | you can use mozilla.debian.net |
| 22:38.06 | tremon | if you want to stay with wheezy, then yes |
| 22:38.31 | abrotman | GNU\colossus: how up to date do you want? |
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| 22:39.37 | abrotman | i guess the ESR isn't that up to date anymore |
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| 22:40.19 | abrotman | GNU\colossus: can you pastebin your sources.list and the output of "aptitude -t experimental install iceweasel" ? |
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| 22:41.42 | akoimeexx | Hey all. Does anyone have any experience with using debootstrap to install to a flash drive? |
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| 22:44.04 | bolt | !tell akoimeexx about polls |
| 22:44.38 | cardiel | where can i find mplayer package compiled with vdpau? |
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| 22:49.50 | akoimeexx | Alright, fair enough. I'm having trouble trying to build a bootable USB for an Intel-based Mac Mini. The Mac Mini's hard drive will not boot. I only have access to Linux systems. I'm currently running Crunchbang on the laptop I'm using right now, and would like to install that to the flash drive. After a few attempts, I have finally gotten a little further along in the process by creating a symlink to the suite named waldorf and ignoring the gp |
| 22:50.01 | akoimeexx | Sorry for the god-awful block. |
| 22:50.36 | akoimeexx | When I check the debootstrap.log file, it states mount cannot be found. |
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| 22:51.34 | akoimeexx | Is it trying to execute mount from the chroot /media/tmp? |
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| 22:52.25 | GNU\colossus | abrotman, the latest iceweasel there is. sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/234307/ - aptitude: http://paste.debian.net/234308/ |
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| 22:54.22 | abrotman | GNU\colossus: lookin |
| 22:55.27 | abrotman | GNU\colossus: can you grab just the libnss3 from unstable via packages.debian.org and try that? |
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| 22:58.51 | GNU\colossus | abrotman, I installed libnss3 and libnss3-1d from sid manually via dpkg, and iceweasel from exp. installs fine |
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| 22:59.33 | GNU\colossus | better yet, it even starts and runs ;) |
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| 23:02.16 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:03.10 | zykotick9 | cardiel: are you sure the mplayer in main isn't? i'd be surprised. i was using the mplayer from deb-multimedia a couple months ago with vdpau |
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| 23:05.57 | GNU\colossus | good night all |
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| 23:17.02 | zykotick9 | cardiel: mplayer2 from main list vdpau in "mplayer2 -vo help". i'd guess the same for mplayer1. |
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| 23:21.20 | alexwaters | where will i see errors from init.d? or start-stop-daemon |
| 23:21.32 | alexwaters | are they in a log |
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| 23:22.44 | tremon | they're in /var/log/boot if bootlogd is installed and configured correctly |
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| 23:25.51 | confusid | I'm still fighting with arandr and xrandr. Keeps telling me I cannot go beyond a certain size of display but the size changes depending on what I try. Could there be something with the newer radeon driver that would stop xrandr from working? |
| 23:26.07 | abrotman | it's a blob ... |
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| 23:28.27 | alexwaters | tremon: it just says (Nothing has been logged yet.) :( |
| 23:28.39 | alexwaters | thank you though, i'm sure I can google it |
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| 23:33.00 | wsky | what was the name of the ubuntu fontset package? |
| 23:33.06 | wsky | is it present in sitd? |
| 23:33.08 | wsky | sid* |
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| 23:36.57 | jroysdon | Is there a way to list what services are set to start at runtime and take into account /etc/default/service_ files? |
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| 23:38.18 | jroysdon | For instance, I know to look in /etc/rc#.d, but many of these files parse /etc/default/service_SERVICENAME for enabled |
| 23:38.34 | jroysdon | I'm looking for a simple clean way to just list the enabled services at boot. |
| 23:38.48 | zykotick9 | jroysdon: "rcconf -list" perhaps? |
| 23:39.31 | jroysdon | No rcconf (this is a hardened router appliance running a stripped version of Debian) |
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| 23:40.56 | abrotman | jroysdon: ls |
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| 23:41.29 | bolt | jroysdon: ps |
| 23:41.44 | abrotman | jroysdon: there isn't a fully clear way .. You're right, even if the init script is enabled, the service file may not be |
| 23:41.46 | jroysdon | bolt, ps is after the fact. I will document that as well, but I need to document startup config |
| 23:42.00 | abrotman | though, those scripts still run |
| 23:42.23 | petemc | ls -la /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 23:42.24 | jroysdon | So at this point I am writing a custom script to list the files in /etc/rc#.d and check to see if they check for /etc/default/service_SERVICENAME and then see if that is set to enabled |
| 23:42.34 | Celelibi | p3rror: here also. :) |
| 23:42.36 | abrotman | petemc: but the 'default' files can say that it's disabled |
| 23:42.49 | jroysdon | right, exactly |
| 23:43.18 | jroysdon | so I wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking a simple method to get this info |
| 23:43.26 | p3rror | Celelibi, yes I see you |
| 23:43.31 | jroysdon | (I'm used to RH, and chkconfig --list would just tell me all of this) |
| 23:43.36 | p3rror | Celelibi, =) |
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| 23:44.27 | abrotman | jroysdon: but that would possibly have the same issue with a conf file thta disables it |
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| 23:45.32 | jroysdon | abrotman, could be true, but I've never seen that be the case with RH, but could be (obviously any process could have it's own method to check if it should be enabled as well) |
| 23:45.41 | jroysdon | I'm going to do a two-step manual method |
| 23:46.04 | abrotman | jroysdon: it's very easy to demonstrate with RHEL .. you can easily wipe out the iptables in /etc/sysconfig/ to have no effect, but the init script will still attempt to load them |
| 23:46.36 | jroysdon | abrotman, right, I'm not trying to document misconfigured servicse, but rather if they are configured to start or not |
| 23:46.45 | jroysdon | documenting each service is its own task |
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| 23:46.58 | jroysdon | So, here is step #1: |
| 23:46.59 | jroysdon | runlevel=$(runlevel | awk '{ print $2}') |
| 23:47.01 | jroysdon | for s in /etc/rc${runlevel}.d/*; do basename $s | grep '^S' | sed 's/S[0-9].//g' ;done |
| 23:47.05 | jroysdon | then step #2: |
| 23:47.07 | jroysdon | grep . /etc/default/service_* | sort |
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