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| 00:01.52 | xiaclo | I have a really strange issue with logrotate, for some reason /var/lib/logrotate.status is showing a file as rotated even though it isn't. Running logrotate manually obviously says it doesn't need rotating, and logrotate -f works as expected. Any ideas what could be causing it to not rotate or falsely update the status? |
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| 00:05.02 | seravitae_ | Hi, I seem to be having some wierd network issues in debian. My network card was working fine but for some reason now it fails to find the right DHCP server (132.234.* range) and instead quickly connects to something else (10.36.* range) and as such I can't use the machine on the internet. My windows machine next to it is finding the correct DHCP server. |
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| 00:05.57 | seravitae_ | Was wondering if anyone knew somehow I could get more information from debian to see why it might be doing this. |
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| 00:06.37 | xiaclo | usually that is caused by dual DHCP servers, clients will randomly get an address from whatever responds faster |
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| 00:08.12 | xiaclo | look into the /var/lib/dhclient/dhclient*.leases files, those will tell you which DHCP server it is getting the lease from |
| 00:09.51 | seravitae_ | there's a lot of lease files in there. can I safely delete them, attempt to reconnect so I can discover the appropriate one? |
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| 00:10.52 | xiaclo | yep, they are safe to delete, just re-run dhclient afterwards |
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| 00:15.15 | seravitae_ | xiaclo: interseting, it seems to be picking up teh right dhcp-server-identifier |
| 00:15.45 | seravitae_ | but it seems to list a fixed-address IP which is incorrect, its not even in the same subnet as the dhcp server. |
| 00:16.41 | xiaclo | DHCP is fairly low-level, you mean the same network segment? |
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| 00:20.25 | seravitae_ | xiaclo: sorry, im not all up on the network lingo. enabling the adapter gives me lease properties of fixed-address 10.36.25.45 subnet-mask 255.255.255.0 routers 10.36.25.209 dhcp-server-identifier 132.234.241.1 .. |
| 00:20.41 | seravitae_ | i should be getting a 132.234.* IP ideally |
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| 00:22.55 | xiaclo | seravitae_: I'm asking if there a reason it can't get that address. IP subnets do not come into play until after it gets an address, so that doesn't matter. For example, is it physically on a different network port, or vlans on the switch, etc. |
| 00:24.23 | seravitae_ | I have no idea why it cant get the desired address. It is physically attached do a different network port to my windows machine, obviously. They are both connected within the same room, i imagine they are on the same switch. This was working a few days ago. Im not sure what changed. |
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| 00:27.43 | Miesco | How do I get firefox? |
| 00:27.50 | Miesco | My iceweasel is wayy outdated |
| 00:27.52 | xiaclo | seravitae_: can you explain how the network is laid out? Here's what I am seeing so far: You have 3 computers (or 2 + DCHP server of some sort). One is a windows machine, the other is debian. The DHCP server has two different subnets it is giving out, but only connected once to the switch. Is that roughly correct? |
| 00:27.54 | Miesco | like 3.6 |
| 00:28.04 | Miesco | http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 00:28.14 | Miesco | I did that but aptitude says 404 not found |
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| 00:28.59 | Miesco | !firefox |
| 00:28.59 | dpkg | Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian, ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. For actual Mozilla Firefox® support, try #firefox on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:29.07 | Miesco | !iceweasel |
| 00:29.08 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, which replaced Firefox in Debian since Etch. Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. In GNOME, sse gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. See also <iceweasel backports>. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
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| 00:29.25 | seravitae_ | xiaclo: i have two desktop machines, connected in a corporate environment (bit of a black box, I just plug into the wall). One is windows machine, and works fine, the other is debian, and retrieves an unexpected IP adress |
| 00:29.41 | seravitae_ | and my sysadmin is uncooperative |
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| 00:30.30 | xiaclo | seravitae_: Fair enough, although that makes things much harder. If you switch ports, does the windows machine get the expected IP? |
| 00:30.52 | seravitae_ | that's something i will have to try in a second, that will cause a disconnection on my end here though. |
| 00:31.02 | seravitae_ | the debian box (10.36.25.45) can ping the DHCP/DNS server IP (132.234.241.1) for what it's worth |
| 00:32.02 | seravitae_ | I will try swapping network cables(and thus ports) for the windows and debian machines, ill be back in about 5 or so minutes once I've tested it. |
| 00:32.05 | xiaclo | seravitae_: can you traceroute 132.234.241.1 |
| 00:32.08 | seravitae_ | ok |
| 00:32.30 | xiaclo | seravitae_: from the windows box, it should be one hop (on the network), but I'm wondering if the debian box goes via the internet |
| 00:33.44 | seravitae_ | xiaclo: 7 hops on the windows box, all look ok. the debian box makes 30 hops (maximum), all of them are completely blank. |
| 00:34.00 | seravitae_ | like 1 * * * 2 * * * etc. |
| 00:34.09 | xiaclo | yeah, that's the DHCP server? |
| 00:34.19 | seravitae_ | DHCP/primary DNS server IP yep |
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| 00:35.51 | xiaclo | seravitae_: haven't seen that before, 7 hops for a DHCP server is REALLY strange, and should be impossible without some really stupid routing |
| 00:36.00 | seravitae_ | it's a university |
| 00:36.04 | seravitae_ | everything here is stupid |
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| 00:37.17 | xiaclo | seravitae_: more than you think, DHCP isn't routable. So if your DHCP server is 7 hops away, it should never be able to get an address in the first place. Unless it's also on the local network ... but via the default gateway it's 7 hops away ... |
| 00:37.46 | seravitae_ | unless the DHCP server's IP isnt the same as the DNS ip, but i'm not sure how to tell that definitively |
| 00:38.04 | seravitae_ | it'd be nice if i could actually see where the DHCP handshaking was occuring |
| 00:38.14 | xiaclo | seravitae_: from the debian machine at least, it should be the dhcp-server-identifier |
| 00:38.36 | seravitae_ | yeah, 132.234.241.1 |
| 00:38.54 | xiaclo | on windows if you run "ipconfig /all" it will give the DHCP server as well |
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| 00:39.19 | seravitae_ | yep, its the same |
| 00:39.41 | seravitae_ | i don't understand why the debian box can see the same dhcp server, but get a totally different IP range. |
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| 00:40.03 | caf | xiaclo: it's possible for DHCP to be forwarded - "DHCP relays" |
| 00:41.01 | xiaclo | caf: yeah, but 7 hops seems excessive, and usually the proxy replaces the the dhcp-server-identifier to itself. |
| 00:41.28 | xiaclo | seravitae_: Taking random guesses at this point, but was the windows machine supplied by the university? |
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| 00:42.20 | seravitae_ | yes, and mine isn't. i've already thought about things like whether they've filtered out MAC addresses or something |
| 00:42.23 | caf | 7 hops does seem excessive, but i don't think the second thing you say is true, the dhcp-server-identifier is supposed to stay as the original server afaik |
| 00:43.00 | caf | i suspect your machine is just getting its older lease wrongly renewed or something, if it was ever plugged into a different part of the campus network |
| 00:43.04 | seravitae_ | thing is, usually when you connect a machine directly to the network that hasnt been 'authorised', you get dns redirected in your browser from all sites to a site saying to contact the IT support. |
| 00:43.27 | seravitae_ | and then you manually set the DNS servers and everything works fine. |
| 00:43.42 | seravitae_ | which is what i've been doing for many years, and then just this week this happens |
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| 00:43.54 | xiaclo | caf: already tried that earlier, wiped /var/lib/dhclient/*.leases during debugging |
| 00:44.08 | xiaclo | seravitae_: maybe they just got smarter |
| 00:44.15 | seravitae_ | maybe |
| 00:44.21 | xiaclo | seravitae_: either way, do you need both of the machines on at the same time? |
| 00:44.24 | seravitae_ | yes |
| 00:44.38 | seravitae_ | i'm going to try swappign the cables like you said, maybe to see if theres a wierd port issue |
| 00:44.42 | seravitae_ | ill be back in a few minutes |
| 00:45.05 | xiaclo | seravitae_: sure, alternatively I can walk you through doing dodgy things with MAC address spoofing |
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| 00:49.46 | jtomasrl | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.47 | jtomasrl | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.49 | jtomasrl | why is that? |
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| 00:50.22 | xiaclo | ls -la /etc/init.d/http-proxy |
| 00:50.34 | xiaclo | look like it's missing execute permission |
| 00:50.44 | jtomasrl | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 401 feb 4 17:52 /etc/init.d/http-proxy |
| 00:51.02 | xiaclo | sudo chmod +x /etc/init.d/http-proxy |
| 00:51.09 | jtomasrl | i did chmod -x |
| 00:51.10 | jtomasrl | +* |
| 00:51.27 | xiaclo | with sudo? |
| 00:51.44 | jtomasrl | good point |
| 00:52.00 | xiaclo | your user doesn't have write permission, so can't change permissions |
| 00:52.17 | jtomasrl | sorry im new into this |
| 00:52.28 | jtomasrl | that worked |
| 00:52.58 | xiaclo | no worries, the errors are fairly cryptic at times |
| 00:53.18 | jtomasrl | :P |
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| 00:57.56 | ksx4system | is there any command line iD3tag tool available? |
| 00:58.14 | ksx4system | I'd like to write my own script to automate tagging mp3 files for my podcast |
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| 00:59.27 | caf | id3ren - id3 tagger and renamer |
| 00:59.27 | caf | id3tool - Command line editor for id3 tags |
| 00:59.27 | caf | id3v2 - A command line id3v2 tag editor |
| 00:59.31 | caf | those all look promising |
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| 01:04.34 | BigMoe | Evening guys! I have a slight problem and need a little help please? |
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| 01:05.02 | abrotman | problem with what? |
| 01:05.08 | BigMoe | Debian |
| 01:06.17 | BigMoe | If i type "reboot" in the terminal the system hangs at shutdown, but if i hit menu reboot it works. Any ideas |
| 01:06.39 | abrotman | which version of linux is this? |
| 01:06.48 | BigMoe | wheezy 64bit |
| 01:07.47 | allorder | !debian-next |
| 01:07.47 | dpkg | #debian-next is a channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 01:08.04 | BigMoe | ok, thanks anyway |
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| 01:08.35 | abrotman | allorder: please don't do that |
| 01:08.44 | allorder | sorry. |
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| 01:22.10 | Spookie | Hello? |
| 01:22.24 | Armand | Hello! |
| 01:22.30 | Spookie | I'm having a problem. |
| 01:22.43 | Armand | Do tell.. I'm sure there may be someone that can help |
| 01:23.40 | Spookie | I just installed Linux, and when I go to open my external I get this message: http://pastebin.com/SFHSvBhb |
| 01:23.54 | abrotman | your external what? |
| 01:23.59 | Spookie | Hard drive. |
| 01:24.19 | abrotman | Spookie: what's uname -a |
| 01:24.36 | jaggz-- | have any of you gotten dovecot to work with virtual hosts? I used to have it working in lenny, but in squeeze the dovecot version is different and things aren't working right.. |
| 01:24.53 | abrotman | jaggz--: there's a friendly #dovecot |
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| 01:25.04 | Spookie | abrotman: Partdon? |
| 01:25.09 | jaggz-- | haven't gotten help in there.. |
| 01:25.15 | abrotman | jaggz--: the configuration chagned quite a bit between lenny and squeeze from what i recall |
| 01:25.23 | abrotman | Spookie: in a terminal "uname -a" |
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| 01:26.03 | Spookie | "Linux crunchbang 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Jan 16 16:04:25 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux" |
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| 01:26.56 | abrotman | Spookie: you're in teh wrong channel |
| 01:27.07 | nevyn | !cb |
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| 01:27.18 | abrotman | Spookie: you'll get spuport in #crunchbang or ##linux .. have a good day |
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| 01:29.08 | jaggz-- | yeah.. I was using userdb static {}, but the new version says to use that for very limited reasons, like if there's one password for all users.. so I'm using userdb { driver=passwd-file } .. my problem right now is between two things: either the uid not being accepted (so I added it to the passwd file), and also it otherwise wants to look up the full username@virtualhost in the passwd file |
| 01:29.54 | abrotman | what's wrong with the full UID ? |
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| 01:30.44 | jaggz-- | right now these aren't real users, so I'm using virtualmail as the user/group |
| 01:30.46 | klakier | hello |
| 01:31.08 | jaggz-- | dovecot is using its own (dovecot 107/107) |
| 01:32.01 | jaggz-- | excuse me, the gid is dovecot but a different number. nevertheless, even with adding my uid/gid to the passwd file, and with userdb overrides uid=virtualmail gid=virtualmail it still goes with dovecot |
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| 01:40.21 | wsky | anyone here with selinux experience? |
| 01:40.43 | wsky | i cannot run X in enforcing mode, X has no write access to /tmp |
| 01:40.44 | xiaclo | a little bit, what's the issue? |
| 01:41.45 | wsky | X: cannot stat /tmp/.X11-unix (Permission denied), aborting. |
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| 01:42.48 | wsky | i've added my user to user_u, before that it had no access to X at all |
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| 01:43.59 | xiaclo | if you run "tail /var/log/audit/*", it should give you an idea of what was blocked |
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| 01:45.41 | wsky | seems that consolekit |
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| 01:45.53 | xiaclo | in centos at least you can use audit2allow, basically takes audit lines and turns them into policies to allow, but I'm not sure where it is in debian |
| 01:45.56 | crawln | does debian use the notify-osd like ubunt by default |
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| 01:46.15 | crawln | or does it need to be installed |
| 01:47.57 | xiaclo | wsky: apt-get install policycoreutils, then run 'echo "<logline>" | audit2allow' |
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| 01:49.03 | wsky | xiaclo: didn't help, same errror, no access to /tmp |
| 01:49.18 | wsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.23 | wsky | bt X |
| 01:49.26 | wsky | by X* |
| 01:49.30 | abrotman | crawln: by default in what? |
| 01:49.35 | xiaclo | wsky: audit2allow generates a .pp file, did you apply it? |
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| 01:49.44 | wsky | ah, no, how do i? |
| 01:49.57 | xiaclo | wsky: semodule -i *.pp |
| 01:50.22 | wsky | xiaclo: where should i search for the pp file? |
| 01:50.48 | wsky | because it's not present in the current directory |
| 01:51.11 | xiaclo | wsky: probably missed a flag, sec |
| 01:52.09 | xiaclo | wsky: run 'echo "<logline>" | audit2allow -o output', it should create an output.pp file |
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| 01:52.45 | wsky | it created output file but without .pp extension |
| 01:52.59 | xiaclo | should work anyways, semodule -i output |
| 01:53.13 | wsky | libsepol.module_package_read_offsets: wrong magic number for module package: expected 0xf97cff8f, got 0x3d230a0a |
| 01:53.16 | wsky | libsemanage.parse_module_headers: Could not parse module data. |
| 01:53.19 | xiaclo | okay, just a minute |
| 01:53.19 | wsky | semodule: Failed on output! |
| 01:53.25 | wsky | ok |
| 01:53.34 | crawln | i was just trying to figure out if pynotify would work on stock debian systems |
| 01:54.20 | abrotman | crawln: seems like something easy to try in a VM |
| 01:56.46 | jaggz-- | abrotman: oh it's actually failing to find the user@host in the passwd file (which it does access), so it moves on to look in /var/virtualmail/host/user as a passwd file |
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| 01:57.38 | jaggz-- | that's possibly why it's using uid=dovecot to access that file.. so the problem is it can't find the user in the first passwd file (and I'm not sure why it's trying this 2nd method) |
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| 02:03.42 | xiaclo | wsky: run 'echo "<logline>" | audit2allow -M output', it should create an output.pp file ... really |
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| 02:04.06 | abrotman | jaggz--: figured it out? |
| 02:04.12 | wsky | yeah, i've found out that but still, this doest allow my yserr to run X |
| 02:04.13 | jaggz-- | no not yet |
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| 02:05.43 | xiaclo | wsky: you may have to do it a few times, it only fixes the single selinux error, there is probably quite a few blocking |
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| 02:06.11 | wsky | xiaclo: shold i run audit2allow -a M? |
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| 02:06.49 | xiaclo | wsky: you can, the issue with that is it will allow everything in the log, which could be some things you don't want |
| 02:07.39 | wsky | should i reload the police afterwards or something? |
| 02:07.44 | wsky | policy* |
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| 02:10.38 | wsky | xiaclo: ok thanks, runs now, seem that i had a little bit of pebkac here. i have had added my user to user_u |
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| 02:11.15 | xiaclo | wsky: for future issues you can try something like "cat /var/log/audit/audit.log | grep X | audit2allow -M output" |
| 02:15.21 | wsky | xindz: ok now i can run X from the console but i cannot do that from kdm |
| 02:16.24 | wsky | whoop he left |
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| 02:24.06 | mike024 | I have an issue: I enabled the sudo group in sudoers(also had to install sudo using apt-get) and added a user to the sudo group. I have logged out/in and they still can't sudo, it says they aren't in the sudoers file |
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| 02:25.48 | jaggz-- | GAW |
| 02:26.11 | abrotman | mike024: verified with 'groups' or 'id' ? |
| 02:26.45 | mike024 | abrotman: groups gives sudo and ssh, just as expected |
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| 02:27.53 | mike024 | sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL is the line I added(rather uncommented) |
| 02:28.18 | abrotman | mike024: pastebin your sudoers file |
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| 02:30.37 | BenNZ | wouldnt it be %sudo for group sudo? |
| 02:30.58 | dvs | !win BenNZ |
| 02:30.58 | dpkg | Congratulations, BenNZ! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 02:31.11 | dvs | $10! |
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| 02:32.12 | BenNZ | dvs: so his sudo line should read %sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL is the line I added(rather uncommented) not sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL is the line I added(rather uncommented) <--what hes stated it read? |
| 02:32.59 | abrotman | isn't that the line that's normally in the example ? |
| 02:33.43 | mike024 | derp. I thought there should be a symbol or something there. Thanks for helping me |
| 02:33.55 | BenNZ | perhaps he removed the % aswell when he removed the # |
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| 02:34.22 | mike024 | BenNZ: it wouldn't have been the first time I fat fingered something, but I don't remember seeing it |
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| 02:35.03 | BenNZ | mike024: i dont , perhaps it was an example for a sudo user |
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| 02:36.02 | mike024 | BenNZ: You would think they would have the % in there, having a sudo user isn't as common as having a sudo group |
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| 02:37.00 | abrotman | mike024: they do have it in there, you removed it |
| 02:37.42 | mike024 | abrotman: not the first fat finger I've had, and not the last. :-) Thanks! |
| 02:37.52 | abrotman | probably 10 or so |
| 02:38.05 | mike024 | heh |
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| 03:18.04 | hanasaki | openbsd-inetd and xinetd - which is recommended and why? |
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| 03:36.28 | jebb | has anyone used ipxe with debian? |
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| 03:42.18 | Blue1 | I am having a problem with kubuntu and video. I get a black screen and a white mouse cursor. That's all. |
| 03:42.35 | Blue1 | and If I got the right channel sorry about that. |
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| 03:46.02 | Devastator | !kubuntu |
| 03:46.03 | dpkg | well, kubuntu is yet another Debian derivative. It is <Ubuntu> with KDE instead of GNOME. As such, it is not Debian and is not supported on #debian (see <based on debian caveats>). For kubuntu support, please join #kubuntu on chat.freenode.net. |
| 03:46.32 | nutcase | has anyone ever seen this error while trying to install debian, http://i.imgur.com/CJxY8ou.jpg |
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| 03:47.24 | Devastator | have you checked virtual console 4? |
| 03:47.32 | dvs | nutcase: the answer looks obvious to me |
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| 03:48.06 | nutcase | how do I check that? |
| 03:48.14 | nutcase | im doing a remote install on a kvm |
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| 03:48.53 | dvs | nutcase: That should have been one of the questions during the install |
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| 03:54.35 | jaggz-- | dovecot's now finding my user .. then getting "requested auth for nonexistent client" |
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| 03:57.16 | jaggz-- | now that's working.. just checking mail again fixed it. strange. |
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| 03:58.07 | jaggz-- | still, dovecot's looking at one file, finding the user@host (put full u@h in the passwd.virtualhost.com file), but then it looks at the mail dir for the username as a passwd-file again |
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| 04:07.56 | jaggz-- | abrotman: I think I finally got it. |
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| 04:17.51 | wsky | so ok, now i'm able to run kde with selinux enforcing mode but i'm unable to mount removable media from it |
| 04:18.22 | jaggz-- | seriously, one must learn each software package's configuration each release to keep systems working.. |
| 04:18.27 | jaggz-- | boggles |
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| 04:19.15 | jaggz-- | do you guys have any recommended virtualhost management systems where someone else is keeping track of these things? dovecot + postfix is all I need in this case |
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| 04:20.28 | jaggz-- | I tried DTC one time and it made everything horrible, imo. |
| 04:21.37 | wsky | and audit.log raports nothing related to accessing removable media from a de |
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| 04:21.48 | jaggz-- | there are a lot of them: http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
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| 04:22.23 | jaggz-- | wsky, what's the problem? just need to mount something? |
| 04:22.32 | wsky | .... |
| 04:22.44 | jaggz-- | I mean, can you look at the messages log and see the device, when attached, then mount it manually? |
| 04:22.51 | wsky | yes i need to mount something from kde with enforcing mode of SELINUX enabled |
| 04:23.09 | jaggz-- | not experienced with "enforcing mode" nor selinux |
| 04:23.13 | wsky | no i have kde and i wont resigne from clickability of it |
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| 06:12.16 | awc737 | if I press the power button it sleeps or hibernates, but when I press it again, it logs me back in and the graphics look fine |
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| 07:41.30 | iam_ | Hey there, how can I find out which kernel version supports my wireless card? It isn't supported in the Squeeze kernel. The driver in question is Atheros ath9k_htc. |
| 07:42.03 | Cultist | !ath9k_htc |
| 07:42.03 | dpkg | ath9k_htc is a driver for Atheros AR9271 and AR7010-based 802.11n USB wireless LAN devices, introduced in Linux 2.6.35. Firmware is required, ask me about <atheros firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc |
| 07:42.09 | Cultist | there ya go. |
| 07:42.16 | iam_ | Whoa |
| 07:42.19 | iam_ | All hail dpkg |
| 07:42.25 | iam_ | Thanks Cultist |
| 07:42.28 | Cultist | np |
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| 07:50.42 | wsky | iam_: ath9htc is stil prety unfinished, i'd recommend you upgrading to the one of the newer kernels |
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| 07:51.03 | iam_ | I just upgraded to 3.2 from the backports |
| 07:51.13 | wsky | that's too old |
| 07:51.24 | iam_ | oh |
| 07:51.37 | wsky | i have 3.6 here and it's still far from being perfect |
| 07:52.31 | iam_ | It was working great in ubuntu, the last LTS |
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| 07:53.14 | iam_ | But that isn't as stable as debian in any case and causes overheating problems on my half broken machine |
| 07:53.49 | wsky | still i'm disapointed because of ot when i reboot from windows |
| 07:53.59 | wsky | because of it |
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| 07:54.23 | iam_ | Throughput issues? |
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| 07:54.57 | wsky | that and connection breaking |
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| 08:01.38 | iam_ | http://superuser.com/questions/545329/blank-screen-if-kids-yell-too-much |
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| 08:06.02 | microcode | iam_: gah, too bad it's closed, I would've suggested the elegant solution of using listener... |
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| 08:06.21 | iam_ | Hah |
| 08:07.03 | microcode | could even have it as a systemd unit |
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| 08:08.17 | microcode | listener -l 0.7 -y "chvt 3" -e "chvt7" should do the trick.. |
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| 08:21.07 | nikil | if i remove a file that is part of a package, then apt-get upgrade that package, will the file be restored? if so, is there a way to keep the file deleted? |
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| 08:23.13 | microcode | nikil: create a script which checks for files in a list, and deletes them |
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| 08:23.29 | microcode | run it on a cron job or as a trigger in APT |
| 08:23.50 | nikil | oh, you can trigger a script in apt upon the upgrade? |
| 08:23.58 | microcode | pretty sure, yeah |
| 08:24.10 | nikil | neat thanks |
| 08:24.17 | microcode | other package managers do this, I've not needed to do it with APT :P |
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| 08:25.51 | nikil | fyi i think the answer is dpkg-divert, just found it |
| 08:26.25 | microcode | cool |
| 08:26.36 | microcode | I'll put it in my list of potentially-cool stuff to check out :P |
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| 08:29.26 | wsky | ok i'll try my luck again: are there any KDE and SELINUX users here? i'm trying to get my KDE fully functional on my Debian SID |
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| 08:30.59 | Slydder | am currently putting together a package that needs ruby-rails 1.9 but the only available version of rails available in squeeze is 1.8. I could do gem installs to get this dependancy though. is that allowed based on normal SOP for debian packages or would I need to use a rails 1.9 package to stay conform? |
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| 08:31.33 | swi | Hello. Is it hard to make deb from tar.gz ? |
| 08:32.00 | Slydder | swi: depends on what you want to do and what package/software. |
| 08:32.18 | Slydder | if it's just for your use you can try checkinstall. |
| 08:32.29 | swi | Slydder: i need python-sybase. it's depends on python-dev and freetds-dev to compile |
| 08:33.04 | swi | checkinstall.. hm |
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| 08:33.14 | Slydder | like I said. checkout checkinstall if it's just for your use. |
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| 08:34.27 | Slydder | you may need a custome .configure command but you will see that once you start taking a look at how every thing is done in some of the other python packages. |
| 08:34.30 | rudi_s | Slydder: If you want to handle the correct dependency tracking, then built your own ruby-rails 1.9 package and depend on it. |
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| 08:35.03 | Slydder | rudi_s: that's what I was afraid of. grrrr. what happened there with rails and squeeze. very annoying. |
| 08:35.15 | Hero | when i downloading software im getting this error :. bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 08:35.50 | Slydder | Hero: somewhere before the line where the error shows up you have a syntax error in your script. |
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| 08:39.09 | swi | Slydder: wow. seems it's ok for me :) |
| 08:40.12 | rudi_s | Slydder: Nothing in backports? |
| 08:40.12 | Hero | (mozilla).rar |
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| 08:40.12 | Hero | thats the software |
| 08:40.12 | vizzy | hi |
| 08:40.12 | Slydder | don't really want to rely on BP packages. |
| 08:40.12 | Slydder | may be no other choice though. |
| 08:40.12 | rudi_s | Hero: '(mozilla).ra' |
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| 08:40.12 | vizzy | what is tracker-store and do i need it on my wheezy or can i kill the process which eats up all ressources and makes my harddisk crazy? |
| 08:40.13 | Hero | ty rudi_s Its Working :) |
| 08:40.13 | rudi_s | np |
| 08:40.13 | vizzy | and tracker-miner.... |
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| 08:40.14 | rudi_s | vizzy: According to $searchengine it looks like it's generating a database for local searches. |
| 08:40.21 | rudi_s | But I don't use Gnome/<any DE>, so I'm not sure what's the best way to disable it. |
| 08:40.33 | Slydder | swi: enjoy |
| 08:40.59 | swi | Slydder: but, if required lib will be updated, i need to rebuild this package? |
| 08:41.13 | Slydder | depends. |
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| 08:41.22 | rudi_s | vizzy: This might help: https://live.gnome.org/Tracker/Documentation/GettingStarted |
| 08:41.28 | swi | Slydder: i see |
| 08:41.32 | vizzy | rudi_s however i dont want these trojaners without beeing asked! |
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| 08:43.27 | vizzy | ok, seems this trojan is a gnome package, crazy, i dont have gnome installed at all using kde4 |
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| 08:43.45 | vizzy | however, seems i need to uninstall this stuff to get rid of it and use my computer again |
| 08:44.04 | ectospasm | um, calling tracker a trojan is a bit disingenuous. |
| 08:44.06 | vizzy | i really hate indexing processes which runs automagically. |
| 08:44.20 | ectospasm | vizzy: so don't use a heavyweight DE |
| 08:44.21 | vizzy | ectospasm, if i didnt dsstart a indexer, its a trojan for me |
| 08:44.33 | ectospasm | ...both KDE and GNOME start one by default, IIRC |
| 08:44.54 | vizzy | informations about tracker and what it ts good for is very sparse |
| 08:45.08 | ectospasm | vizzy: it's good for doing local searches of your file system |
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| 08:45.33 | vizzy | oh, i dont do local searches, i know where my files are laying around and if not find is my best friend |
| 08:45.37 | ectospasm | ...I don't use one, because I tend to be fairly organized. I ran one for a while but never really used it. |
| 08:45.47 | vizzy | i dont need an indexer from which i dont know how to use it on cli :) |
| 08:46.02 | ectospasm | vizzy: then aptitude remove it |
| 08:46.14 | vizzy | thats what i said :) |
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| 08:46.44 | vizzy | but i guess because of dependencies all other stuff will be removed too , muahahaha |
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| 08:48.18 | rudi_s | vizzy: Don't use a DE, just a window manager. Then you won't have all these packages on your system ;-) |
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| 08:49.56 | vizzy | this helps http://verahill.blogspot.de/2012/08/disabling-tracker-miner-fs.html |
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| 08:51.36 | rudi_s | apt-get remote tracker |
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| 08:55.13 | damel | Hey all...I am following ChrootOnAndroid from the debian wiki and I cant get chroot to work. I get the following error : chroot: can't execute '/bin/bash': I/O error....any ideas ? |
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| 08:56.38 | damel | Differences from the tutorial : I formated my disk with ext4 and did a debootstrap --arch=armhf wheezy |
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| 08:58.27 | foo357 | Hello, I'm looking for a good book on (*nix) system administration. I've heard that these books are supposed to be good: "Essential System Administration" Æleen Frisch, "Linux Administration Handbook" Evi Nemeth et.al., "The Complete Systems Administrator" Curt Freeland & Dwight McKay. |
| 08:58.32 | foo357 | has anyone checked these books or have any other opinions on the matter? |
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| 09:01.33 | zw | Hi. How can I add french char support to squeeze ? Installing the locale is not enough to use accents and stuff ... ? |
| 09:02.49 | EmleyMoor | zw: Should be. Do you mean you want to type French characters? |
| 09:04.52 | zw | EmleyMoor: Well, yes. I'm creating an e-mail script (perl) based on templates. When I edit a template (vi) all accents on letters are ... yeah well, bogus. :) |
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| 09:05.05 | EmleyMoor | zw: What is your keyboard layout? |
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| 09:06.02 | zw | EmleyMoor: azerty |
| 09:06.13 | EmleyMoor | Belgian AZERTY or French? |
| 09:06.21 | zw | Be :) |
| 09:06.36 | blubberdiblub | zw, are those "all accents on letters" you were talking about letters that were already in the text or letters that you just typed? |
| 09:07.00 | paxcoder | Is there a prog for consolidating files based on their diffs? |
| 09:07.01 | zw | blubberdiblub: I tried copy/pasting the text, but the chars are replaced by for example ééé |
| 09:07.10 | zw | wel, other signs :) |
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| 09:07.37 | zw | Qu�~@~Yest-ce qui |
| 09:07.42 | zw | you see :) |
| 09:08.46 | paxcoder | anyone? |
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| 09:09.12 | EmleyMoor | zw: Hmmm... that looks like character set mismatch - are you using UTF8? |
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| 09:22.33 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... Luxembourg uses the Swiss-French QWERTZ keyboard in public education, Belgian AZERTY in banking, and either, or the US keyboard, elsewhere... that does strike me as an odd mix |
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| 09:29.50 | SPF | I'm trying to make snapshots with my webcam, but I cannot get the resolution upto 1280x720. v4lctl -c /dev/video0 snap jpeg test.jpeg. The program cheese is able to save in this resolution, but I want it done automatically |
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| 09:34.46 | sweb | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.51 | sweb | but during ping from anotherdomain.com ip of name server not return ... return unknown host |
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| 09:35.17 | sweb | how can i set my domain to zvb server |
| 09:35.18 | sweb | :( |
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| 09:50.50 | marty | quic question |
| 09:51.00 | marty | my company start doing opensource |
| 09:51.04 | marty | started* |
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| 09:51.20 | marty | the only problem is the opensource is only with in the company |
| 09:51.25 | marty | and not to the general public |
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| 09:51.59 | marty | what would you call that |
| 09:52.00 | LinaSovereign | Hey ! |
| 09:52.32 | caboche | marty: try to be more precise. Your company is using open source internally? |
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| 09:53.00 | marty | sorry |
| 09:53.09 | jelly | sweb: ping doesn't have much to do with DNS functionality. Do you have control of ns1.zvb.ir zones and did you add the second domain there? |
| 09:53.12 | et | marty: that's typical closed source stuff. It's normal that the source is available within the company, and intra-company licensing is not that important ;) |
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| 09:53.41 | sweb | jelly: how can i set this domain on zvb.ir zone file ? |
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| 09:53.54 | jelly | sweb: each domain has its own zone file. |
| 09:54.06 | marty | we are developing software within the company now and managers are calling it open source because other parts of the company can use it. No one out side the company could use or see this code |
| 09:54.19 | sweb | e, i cant use same zone file for all domains ? |
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| 09:54.30 | koollman | marty: nope. that's just internal development. not open source |
| 09:54.36 | jelly | sweb: not with Bind, to the best of my knowledge |
| 09:54.53 | marty | would you call it closed source |
| 09:54.59 | jelly | sweb: basically one zone = one domain |
| 09:55.01 | AciD` | marty > no |
| 09:55.14 | marty | trying to give them another buzz word cause i hate them using the opensource word when it is not |
| 09:55.16 | AciD` | koollman > you are a bit wrong, it can be open source |
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| 09:56.10 | AciD` | koollman > if the code is used internally, and the source is available internally, it's ok |
| 09:56.16 | koollman | AciD`: sure. but I'm pretty sure they didn't put an open license on it |
| 09:56.19 | caboche | I'd say it depends on the license. If you use it only internally and don't publish it, it still can be OS |
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| 09:56.48 | AciD` | there is a problem only if the company sells the software to outside client, without giving them a way to get the source |
| 09:56.51 | AciD` | (more or less) |
| 09:56.53 | marty | it is like opensource with in a company |
| 09:57.03 | jelly | sweb: other authoritative dns servers have different backends that may use a single file or a database to store zone contents. |
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| 09:57.18 | koollman | marty: is there a license on the code ? or simply copyright mention ? |
| 09:57.30 | caboche | But does the software leave the company? Is it beiong sold/distributed or so? |
| 09:57.33 | marty | copy right |
| 09:57.53 | marty | just anyone in the company can submit changes to the code |
| 09:58.00 | osfd | Hi there, what's the su password for debian live, please |
| 09:58.21 | marty | i think they do this in google also where some one working on youtube can submit code changes for gmail. That is opensource with in a company |
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| 09:58.27 | jelly | marty: that's correct usage of "open source" |
| 09:58.53 | jelly | it doesn't have to be exposed to public; it doesn't have to be costless, either. |
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| 09:59.18 | marty | ok just thought opensource would mean that code is available to the 6 billion people in the world to change |
| 09:59.22 | jelly | it just means all the users of the software have access to the source and may change it |
| 09:59.37 | jelly | 7 billion. Nope. |
| 09:59.44 | marty | ok so that is what it is |
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| 10:01.30 | marty | cool well you have saved me from writing on the internal posters on opensource that is it closed sourced |
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| 10:02.14 | _sYnfo | Hi there, this is very general question, I know, it was a test question, if someone could give me some pointers I'd be grateful: You are connected to a linux box using serial port, there should be one interface configured but ifconfig (or something) says the interface is unrecognized, what would you do to figure out what's wrong and to fix it? I only guesses it could be either a problem with drivers or maybe hw failure :/ |
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| 10:04.58 | iam_ | I upgrade my kernel and Squeeze started recognizing my wireless car (ath9k_htc) firmware, I rebooted it and it isn't recognizing it anymore o_o |
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| 10:06.28 | iam_ | dmesg | grep ath gives mes - http://pastie.org/6051968 |
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| 10:09.41 | osfd | please, do you know the root password for debian wheezy live, please ? |
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| 10:16.31 | osfd | unless I don't need it for maintenance operation |
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| 10:20.09 | Gemclip | By default, there is not any root password. You can switch to root with sudo -i or set a password for root with sudo passwd. |
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| 10:24.36 | sq9 | hi, I am installing Debian Testing, at the partitioning stage i get the message that no EFI Partitions were found, how do i fix this? |
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| 10:35.13 | babilen | sq9: You create an EFI compliant partitioning scheme (or boot in legacy mode if you want to use MBR) -- If you don't get it right, let the automatic partitioner create them for you and customise that scheme (if wanted) |
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| 10:38.13 | osfd | what is the main differences between ext3 and 4 and should I use ext4 for e new wheezy install, please ? |
| 10:39.24 | Gemclip | google is your friend |
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| 10:47.40 | sq9 | what is an EFI compliant partitioning scheme and how do i create it? I am trying to install dual boot with Win7, will allowing automatic partitioning wipe out Win7? |
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| 11:02.28 | jimcooncat | I'm curious to know which accounting package is the most popular, like openerp or tryton or sqledger. Is there a website or bot command that gives a score from popcon? |
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| 11:04.49 | themill | jimcooncat: /msg judd popcon $package |
| 11:05.00 | jimcooncat | thanks themill |
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| 11:05.43 | themill | there's also a fork of sqledger that sounded like it was becoming popular and joey hess was blogging about hledger I think, |
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| 11:25.17 | Gemclip | gnucash? |
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| 11:25.37 | blackshirt | hello debian peoples |
| 11:26.28 | wsky | hello |
| 11:27.34 | blackshirt | i have a simple stupid question, when we look at http://packages.debian.orgcom/ .. i think this was web based front end for APT .. where can i get the source code for this if this is was released ? |
| 11:27.41 | blackshirt | i have a simple stupid question, when we look at http://packages.debian.org/ .. i think this was web based front end for APT .. where can i get the source code for this if this is was released ? |
| 11:28.29 | babilen | blackshirt: Read the stuff at the bottom -- It includes "Web site source code is available." where "available" is a link |
| 11:29.06 | blackshirt | babilen: i would happy to look it |
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| 11:29.34 | Pupeno_w | What's the name of that program that easily creates a package from source code (configure, make, make install)? |
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| 11:31.25 | petemc | checkinstall |
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| 11:31.49 | blackshirt | babilen: greats .. do you know about webml ? |
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| 11:34.28 | babilen | Pupeno_w: And I would recommend to use stow in lieu of checkinstall. IMHO a much cleaner solution to the "problem" of local installs. Read "/msg dpkg stow" and "/msg dpkg stow usage" for an overview. |
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| 11:35.22 | gele | when i schedule jobs using 'at', is there a way to tell it to run the jobs immediately when the computer boots if it has missed them because the computer wasn't on at the scheduled time? |
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| 11:35.42 | homes | i second that, stow is a very clean option |
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| 11:36.15 | tgs3 | is there any good comfortable way to have connection to your server always (e.g. if nated, if firewalled, if restarted, if ip changed etc etc)? other then autossh, tor |
| 11:36.26 | homes | i added a build user, that could only write to /usr/local/stow/irssi-0.9.x.y/, for example, when i do the ./configure make make install stuffs |
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| 11:44.03 | icarus | Hi guys |
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| 11:44.47 | icarus | how can i get wine 1.5.23 (current wine dev version) in a repo for wheezy/sid? |
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| 11:47.28 | naveko | hi everybody! I have been trying to install Debian on a partition on my Macbook, but without success.. could anybody help? |
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| 11:47.50 | seek | hey, is there a program which shows me the power usage? |
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| 11:48.54 | naveko | I have used this manual: http://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel but that didn't help |
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| 11:51.07 | klakier | hello |
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| 11:51.19 | pats_Toms | hi, I want to install this package - http://packages.debian.org/sid/gitalist-fastcgi . But apt-get install shows, that it's unable to locate it. Any ideas? |
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| 11:52.39 | blackshirt | pats_Toms: what repo are you using now ? |
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| 11:53.07 | pats_Toms | I have default sources |
| 11:53.39 | blackshirt | pats_Toms: thats package was available on sid (unstable) repository |
| 11:53.46 | pats_Toms | http://sprunge.us/hWLR |
| 11:53.57 | pats_Toms | hmm, how to locate it? |
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| 11:54.05 | hellyeah | hey |
| 11:54.14 | klakier | you must add sid repos |
| 11:54.16 | hellyeah | why there is no opera package in debian repos? |
| 11:54.26 | klakier | cause you have only testing |
| 11:54.28 | seek | found one myself.. i'll try http://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/powerstat |
| 11:54.35 | klakier | hellyeah, there is |
| 11:54.58 | klakier | but not in default repos |
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| 11:55.34 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 11:55.40 | hellyeah | which repo has opera? |
| 11:55.40 | Kaurin | Where does apt-get (or aptitude) get the checksums from? From the same repo server it downloads from, or from some sort of central authority? |
| 11:55.44 | klakier | hellyeah, try this: deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free |
| 11:55.44 | themill | dpkg: tell hellyeah about opera |
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| 11:56.13 | themill | Kaurin: they are in the Packages file in the repo; /msg dpkg secure apt |
| 11:56.15 | wsky | hellyeah: you'll find the repository on opera's page |
| 11:56.19 | babilen | pats_Toms: You are using squeeze and you should /not/ simply add testing or sid repositories as this will break your box. You can try to backport that package though. |
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| 11:57.36 | babilen | pats_Toms: No, backporting is not an option either. |
| 11:57.51 | pats_Toms | hmm, so I will run it manually |
| 11:58.03 | pats_Toms | compile it for my own |
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| 11:58.12 | pats_Toms | thanks babilen for info |
| 11:58.20 | babilen | pats_Toms: Well, it looks as if you can't install a number of build dependencies on squeeze (which is why you cannot backport it easily) |
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| 11:58.32 | babilen | pats_Toms: What kind of box is this? Would upgrading to wheezy be an option? |
| 11:58.52 | pats_Toms | upgrading? |
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| 11:58.58 | pats_Toms | how that works? |
| 11:59.15 | klakier | adding repositories and apt-get dist-upgrade ;P |
| 11:59.19 | babilen | pats_Toms: What are you using that computer for? When did you install it? |
| 11:59.25 | klakier | imho not even an option |
| 11:59.39 | babilen | klakier: It is a /bit/ more involved than that and discussed at great length in the (WIP) release notes |
| 11:59.46 | pats_Toms | I am using that pc for some random servers, like mumble... |
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| 12:01.02 | babilen | pats_Toms: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html gives an overview. Please note that /some/ of the bugs that prevent wheezy from being released are specific to the upgrade path (cf. "/msg dpkg immediate configuration") and that wheezy is /not/ yet absolutely ready. I don't really expect many changes, but still something to be aware of. |
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| 12:01.22 | klakier | if it is, then sorry, i just remember situation when i was upgrading sarge to etch with help from some forums |
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| 12:01.36 | klakier | it was just messing out whole system |
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| 12:02.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell pats_Toms -about make wheezy sources.list |
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| 12:02.39 | babilen | pats_Toms: Once you've done that you can follow "/msg dpkg ssb" to backport gitolite-fastcgi to wheezy. |
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| 12:04.25 | babilen | pats_Toms: It might, however, be a better idea to simply use a different web frontend for your git repositories. |
| 12:04.38 | babilen | I guess that is my actual recommendation :) |
| 12:05.12 | pats_Toms | babilen, thanks for help, but seems like I can run it without os update... |
| 12:05.29 | pats_Toms | I just asked, maybee I am missing somethink |
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| 12:05.56 | babilen | pats_Toms: I would simply use gitweb or cgit ... but meh, your call. If you can run gitalist on squeeze and you like it (I don't really, but meh) fair enough |
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| 12:23.18 | damel | hello all...I have been trying to install debian on my android phone...following more or less the instructions from ChrootOnAndroid on the Debian Wiki. I keep getting the following error when chrooting : chroot: can't execute '/bin/bash': I/O error |
| 12:23.21 | damel | any ideas ? |
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| 12:24.47 | Sm0ke0ut | I don't that's really supported here |
| 12:24.57 | Sm0ke0ut | anyhow. I've no clue |
| 12:25.58 | damel | in chrooting in general...do you know what could give me this error? |
| 12:26.10 | damel | I was thinking its the way I have been mounting the drive |
| 12:26.37 | damel | mount -t ext4 -o rw,exec,dev,suid ... ... maybe not correct? |
| 12:26.50 | damel | I can see the drive perfectly |
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| 12:43.45 | damel | #join ubuntu |
| 12:43.47 | damel | lol |
| 12:43.50 | damel | oops |
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| 12:44.04 | Towzzer | how insulting |
| 12:44.36 | grzeslaw | hello guys.. tell me, why when I have in rsyslog.conf entry: *.*;mail.none;audit.none;cron.none -/var/log/syslog I have still CRON messages? |
| 12:44.37 | Towzzer | I beleive ubuntu just announced that their next version is going to feature a desktop called "unity 8" which will mimic windows 8 |
| 12:45.19 | damel | great :( |
| 12:45.42 | damel | I was just thinking that maybe they would answer / could answer my question |
| 12:45.59 | schwatvogel | damel: tried writing on the device? |
| 12:46.13 | damel | because no one seems to konw/want to /care here ;) |
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| 12:46.43 | schwatvogel | grzeslaw: not in /var/log/syslog |
| 12:47.26 | damel | schwatvogel : just did a touch followed by vi wq |
| 12:47.28 | damel | worked fine |
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| 12:48.00 | schwatvogel | odd |
| 12:48.19 | schwatvogel | you can execute a script/binry residing on the device? |
| 12:48.37 | damel | yup...rw works fine |
| 12:48.38 | grzeslaw | schwatvogel: why CRON messages are loggin still to syslog.. I have cron.none entry which should prevent this messages in syslog ..? |
| 12:49.12 | damel | schwatvogel : i dont think they are binarys that are on the device |
| 12:49.36 | schwatvogel | damel: well copy one onto it and execute it |
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| 12:50.12 | schwatvogel | grzeslaw: it should yes, depending on your configuration it may be overwritten anywhere else in the rsyslog config |
| 12:51.40 | schwatvogel | grzeslaw: try http://www.rsyslog.com/discarding-unwanted-messages/ |
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| 12:52.53 | met4verse | hello all |
| 12:53.00 | Towzzer | hi |
| 12:53.06 | KnownSyntax | hi |
| 12:53.15 | Towzzer | syntax error |
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| 12:53.24 | met4verse | im intermediate gnu/linux user |
| 12:53.32 | grzeslaw | schwatvogel: thank you.. I read it before.. I will try to investigate it.. btw: do you know what are the diffrence beetween separating unwanted or wanted args in rsysclog.conf.. in some case there is "," and in some ";" what is the diffrence between that? |
| 12:53.40 | met4verse | which distro should teach me more about it |
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| 12:53.46 | met4verse | is debian good choice |
| 12:53.56 | met4verse | perhaps arch,slackware? |
| 12:54.01 | met4verse | what do you recommend |
| 12:54.07 | ksk | this is #debian, so we reccomend you use it ;) |
| 12:54.11 | met4verse | i cannot decide really :) |
| 12:54.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell met4verse -about why debian |
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| 12:54.45 | ksk | maybe you should try on dpkg based distro (debian, ubuntu) and some rpm based (rhel, centos) |
| 12:54.59 | schwatvogel | grzeslaw: , is for separating arguments (for filters eg :msg, contains, "bla blup") ; is for separating log entries |
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| 12:55.24 | schwatvogel | like mail.*;news.crit;... |
| 12:55.26 | babilen | met4verse: Give it a try! It is the only way to learn about the system. Debian is definitely not a bad choice, but you might like other distributions more. The only way to find out is by using it! (I would recommend to install wheezy using the netinstall image with firmware if you have a working internet connection) |
| 12:55.39 | babilen | met4verse: You can get it from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/ |
| 12:55.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell met4verse -about wheezy installer |
| 12:56.11 | grzeslaw | schwatvogel: thx ;] |
| 12:56.16 | babilen | met4verse: You might also want to read http://debian-handbook.info/ to learn more about Debian |
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| 12:58.39 | met4verse | thank you,i ask this because if i get job as linux sys admin i want to be ready for it,to know what to expect |
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| 12:59.26 | met4verse | will debian force me to use command line ? |
| 12:59.35 | KnownSyntax | If you don't install the GUI, yes |
| 12:59.53 | ksk | if you are going to be a sysadmin you should work with the commandline ;) |
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| 13:00.32 | KnownSyntax | You should also work with .rpm distro too since they mostly use one of the two. |
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| 13:00.46 | babilen | met4verse: I'd say: You /definitely/ want to learn about Debian (and reading the Handbook will teach you a lot of useful stuff), but you should also have some experience with RPM based distributions and SUSE. |
| 13:01.18 | ksk | suse.. there are people still using it? :> |
| 13:01.20 | damel | schwatvogel : you were right...I can't exec the binarys on from outside the chroot either...I'm more or less sure that my mount is not correct or working like I thought it should...thx for you help :) |
| 13:01.39 | met4verse | suse seems too bloated to me :) |
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| 13:02.07 | met4verse | what about arch,slackware,gentoo? Are they used in corporate environment? |
| 13:02.16 | dD_ | Since I installed Debian on a windows Machine, the computer won't even boot into the BIOS unless I take out the battery and put it back in. What could be happening? I |
| 13:02.24 | babilen | ksk: A lot of commercial applications are only certified for SUSE and RH (think SAP, Oracle, ...) but that is out of this channel's scope. met4verse should definitely learn about Debian as it is an important culture among the distributions. |
| 13:02.45 | babilen | met4verse: I wouldn't expect to find any of these "toy" distributions in a commercial environment, no. |
| 13:03.05 | KnownSyntax | Gentoo would make you learn the most about doing things, although it's community is great it has a very long compile time for everything. |
| 13:03.14 | jacksmithz | is the debian kernel more stable than the "pristine"/vanilla kernel? |
| 13:03.20 | Armand | suggests babilen tries the BeiberOS... *trollolololol* |
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| 13:04.07 | babilen | jacksmithz: You are aware that the Debian kernel developer /is/ the upstream developer for the 3.2 kernel aren't you? |
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| 13:04.23 | babilen | "maintainer" |
| 13:04.28 | schwatvogel | babilen: i've seenn my good share of gentoo in commercial environments |
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| 13:06.07 | babilen | schwatvogel: Yeah, that might be. I never came across any of those three in any larger company, but meh. The best approach is certainly to learn about /everything/, but I would personally recommend to learn Debian + RH/CentOS if the aim is to find a job in that field. |
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| 13:06.28 | jacksmithz | nope I was'nt |
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| 13:07.27 | jacksmithz | so is the debian kernel modifications added to the mainline kernel? |
| 13:07.34 | jacksmithz | are* |
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| 13:07.51 | met4verse | imagine doing linux from scratchin corporate environment :D |
| 13:08.04 | met4verse | that would be fun :) |
| 13:08.05 | babilen | jacksmithz: Ok, you are now. :) -- Ben (the maintainer) gave a talk about stable kernel maintaenance for distributions at this years FOSDEM. You might find the video of it online soonish (https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/event/kernelmaint/) |
| 13:09.00 | met4verse | Ok,so the thing is to learn RPM and DEB package formats regardless of distro.. |
| 13:09.21 | babilen | jacksmithz: Some are -- Most changes to Debian's kernel are backports of features (in particular hardware support) and other bugfixes. Ben is very much involved with the upstream kernel development and we (that is Debian) typically try to get /any/ patches integrated upstream. |
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| 13:09.54 | babilen | met4verse: Well, not only packaging itself but also the tooling and culture around these packaging systems. |
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| 13:10.19 | met4verse | babilen: yeah,i understand |
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| 13:10.39 | schwatvogel | babilen: might be a good aproach, i dondt want to start debian ubuntu flamwars, but i've seen a rapid decrease in debian usage in favor of ubuntu (at least in my business) |
| 13:10.43 | met4verse | Does debian forces you to user configuration files? |
| 13:10.53 | babilen | met4verse: Give Debian a try and read the Debian Handbook. That will teach you /a lot/ of things that will come in handy in /any/ environment. Learn as many systems/cultures as you can handle as you will be introduced to many different styles and ways to solve things. |
| 13:11.05 | schwatvogel | thats trze |
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| 13:12.05 | met4verse | babilen: thanks man im going to try it...what do you recommend unstable or testing? |
| 13:12.41 | babilen | met4verse: wheezy |
| 13:12.46 | babilen | (current testing |
| 13:12.47 | babilen | ) |
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| 13:13.48 | met4verse | Ok,thank you very much guys...this seems like great community :) |
| 13:14.00 | met4verse | very friendly :) |
| 13:15.30 | babilen | met4verse: You are welcome and may you have a nice day! (and yeah, support opportunities should play a role) -- For an even better overview you might want to learn something about FreeBSD and Solaris too (but meh, a human has only so much time) |
| 13:16.00 | jacksmithz | aahh :S I can't decide between slackware and debian :S someone manipulate me into making a choice lol |
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| 13:16.44 | zamba | hi there.. i want to boot the debian installer from an usb |
| 13:16.45 | babilen | jacksmithz: You clearly want Debian! |
| 13:16.50 | zamba | how can i create this bootable usb in windows? |
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| 13:16.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell zamba -about usb install |
| 13:17.00 | zamba | (no linux machine available where this has to be done) |
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| 13:17.31 | babilen | zamba: Use the image writer linked in the factoid our bot (dpkg) just sent you. You'll have to rename the .iso to .img IIRC as Windows is a bit, well, peculiar when it comes to fileextensions. |
| 13:17.53 | zamba | image write has no downloads |
| 13:17.58 | zamba | https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/ |
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| 13:18.26 | babilen | Oh, wonderful ... what happened to them? |
| 13:18.59 | babilen | zamba: https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer → External Downloads |
| 13:19.08 | zamba | external downloads worked |
| 13:19.10 | zamba | yeah |
| 13:19.17 | jacksmithz | how up-to-date is Debian stable? compared to slackware which have a more rapid release cycle? |
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| 13:19.26 | babilen | zamba: Or http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ |
| 13:19.31 | blip2 | jacksmithz: at the moment not very |
| 13:19.38 | blip2 | but wheezy is about to be released |
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| 13:20.38 | Megaf | Hi folks, i'd like to instal Debian on my girlfriend's laptop, it has windows 7, it would be a dual boot setup, problem is, Debian installer wont show any partition, it just show the whole disk as free space, any idea? |
| 13:20.46 | babilen | jacksmithz: stable is as old as it gets right now. Debian will release the next stable (wheezy) soonish™ (2-5 months I reckon) and you could use that already. Another way to get newer versions of software is by using backports (/msg dpkg backports) or by creating them yourself (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 13:21.31 | babilen | jacksmithz: A common misunderstanding about Debian is the meaning of "stable" -- In the context of Debian it means "not changing" and has very little to do with "bug free, working, ..." (cf. /msg dpkg stable) |
| 13:22.08 | babilen | Megaf: Which version of Debian did you install? Does it boot in UEFI mode? |
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| 13:22.28 | AciD` | jacksmithz > or if you like playing with fire, you can still use the unstable version, sid :) |
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| 13:22.57 | babilen | jacksmithz: What do you need that box for? |
| 13:24.00 | Megaf | babilen, its the weekly installer, in UEFI mode it wont boot at all, it just shows the GRUB screen for a couple of seconds an then the screen blinks and goes blank |
| 13:24.20 | jacksmithz | allright, what I actually meant was, how fast does Debian Stable go "out-of-date" when its released (I'm not so much interested in knowing how up-to-date debian currently is, but more interested in knowing how up-to-date it generally is)? |
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| 13:26.01 | babilen | Megaf: Could you give http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/amd64/ a try? Which one did you use? |
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| 13:26.08 | jacksmithz | babilen: box? |
| 13:26.20 | babilen | jacksmithz: box == computer |
| 13:26.36 | babilen | jacksmithz: Well, I would say Debian stable ages a month each month |
| 13:26.46 | babilen | jacksmithz: (sorry, I really don't know how to answer your question) |
| 13:26.57 | zykotick9 | jacksmithz: stable gets supported for one year after the next release (as debian doesn't have a release schedule, beyond "when it's ready" this time is never known) |
| 13:27.45 | babilen | jacksmithz: Debian stable /does not change/ -- that is the whole point of it and the entire meaning of "stable" -- It therefore ages one day each day. No idea when /you/ call something "out-of-date" and that decision is entirely up to you. |
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| 13:28.30 | jacksmithz | im gonna use the box for software/web development and some graphical work in gimp/blender and such |
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| 13:29.26 | babilen | jacksmithz: there are many ways to get newer software on stable (official backports, self created backports, local installations) and it really depends on what /you/ want. There is also squeeze-updates fo volatile software. On top of that you /could/ use either testing or unstable, but that might not be appropriate in a production environment. (hence my question about your usage and requirements) |
| 13:29.38 | babilen | jacksmithz: Will this be your personal box? |
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| 13:30.33 | babilen | jacksmithz: Use wheezy right now and maybe switch to testing/unstable in the future. My suggestion for you in that case. |
| 13:30.47 | babilen | jacksmithz: Install using http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/ |
| 13:30.49 | grzeslaw | I am trying to setup the rsyslog to log everythig without mail,ftp and cron messages... but my entry: *.*;mail,vsftpd,cron.none -/var/log/messages seems not to work.. any ideas? |
| 13:30.53 | babilen | waves (lunch) |
| 13:31.11 | jacksmithz | allright thanks for all the answers :) |
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| 13:32.48 | grzeslaw | for example now I reload the bind configuration, and it was logged to deamon.log but anything was logged in messages.. ;/ |
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| 13:35.11 | Megaf | babilen, actually I used one like this http://ftp.acc.umu.se/cdimage/daily-builds/daily.new/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 13:35.20 | jelly | grzeslaw: there is no "vsftpd" syslog facility |
| 13:35.28 | Megaf | gonna try the one you suggest |
| 13:35.55 | grzeslaw | jelly: so why do I not get anny error msg? |
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| 13:36.46 | jelly | grzeslaw: I have no idea how rsyslog reacts to nonsense in configuration; have you deleted that word yet to see what happens? |
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| 13:39.30 | grzeslaw | jelly: thx, i suppose that I solve it by typing auth,authpriv,none insted of vsftpd. now I have bind kernel messages in messages log file |
| 13:39.34 | grzeslaw | thx |
| 13:39.36 | grzeslaw | ;] |
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| 13:44.10 | Haris | I have saslauthd + pam. mysql as the auth backend to pam on 5.0.8. http://pastebin.ca/2310887 . Need insight into this |
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| 14:08.51 | xbanux | Im trying to import a VM created from Virtual Box & exported as a ovf file...im facing an issue while importing... |
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| 14:09.14 | xbanux | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.40 | xbanux | works...but when i enter VBoxManage list vms |
| 14:09.53 | xbanux | it doesnt show the imported vm |
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| 14:29.57 | wsky | so, when newer kde will make it's way to sid? |
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| 14:31.13 | wsky | like 4.9 or something |
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| 14:33.51 | somiaj | wsky: /msg dpkg slushy (basically until wheezy is released sid won't be getting to much new stuff -- espically big collections like kde |
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| 14:34.06 | somiaj | my guess is sometime after the release the debian kde project will be looking at bringing in a newer kde to sid |
| 14:34.30 | wsky | ic, ty. |
| 14:34.57 | wlados | i think debian gnu/linux is one of the best and purest-libre distros out |
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| 14:35.33 | Towzzer | it's a very clean distribution |
| 14:35.37 | somiaj | yet stallman won't let us be called libre because we provided non-free for those who don't mind...(: |
| 14:35.43 | Towzzer | just gets annoying when the stable gets out of date compared with others |
| 14:35.47 | somiaj | or he doesn't classify us as a purly free os |
| 14:36.23 | somiaj | Towzzer: desktop wise it isn't as bad as it use to. Now that backports are offical (and soon will be getting security support I belive) that limitation is going away. Though many people still don't know about backports it seems |
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| 14:36.42 | wsky | somiaj: i wonder what he says about gentoo |
| 14:36.45 | Towzzer | I would say the desktop version is bad compared with mint |
| 14:36.49 | Towzzer | debian is a great server os |
| 14:37.07 | Towzzer | from hanging out here seems like most problems are video,wifi, and audio |
| 14:37.16 | Towzzer | nothing related to servers |
| 14:37.21 | koollman | and outdated versions of stuff :) |
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| 14:37.43 | babilen | Towzzer: Getting out-of-date is the /definition/ of stable ("not changing") -- So it is no surprise that it happens. People who complain about it don't understand that. |
| 14:37.46 | zykotick9 | koollman: s/outdated/well tested/ |
| 14:38.18 | koollman | zykotick9: not always. sometimes outdated just is outdated. but yes, I agree with the debian principle of stability |
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| 14:39.30 | wlados | i tested ubuntu, mint, but i think debian is most robust-well maintained and stable. i upgraded from 6.06 to 7 wheezy without big problems, apt, tools, packages everything works |
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| 14:39.56 | Towzzer | there is a debian distro with mate as the desktop |
| 14:39.58 | Towzzer | produced by mint |
| 14:40.00 | wlados | i dont use non-free or other only free non-proprietary and its great |
| 14:40.01 | Towzzer | it uses wheezy's packages |
| 14:40.09 | wlados | yes but its not pure debian |
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| 14:41.09 | zykotick9 | wlados: s/pure// |
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| 14:41.28 | somiaj | wsky: http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html (there is a link near the bottom that gives reasons the common distros don't make it http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html) |
| 14:41.59 | babilen | Towzzer: That is mint and /not/ Debian. There are hundreds of Debian based distributions -- See http://futurist.se/gldt/ for a nice timeline |
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| 14:42.15 | Towzzer | yeehaw! |
| 14:42.31 | somiaj | wsky: gentoo doesn't make it because "Gentoo makes it easy to install a number of nonfree programs through its primary package system." |
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| 14:42.39 | wlados | i dont like mint, i like debian - its really universal operating system. its number one!) |
| 14:42.49 | bipul | Any one use "nse" Network simulator emulator in debian |
| 14:42.57 | babilen | bipul: Be the first! |
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| 14:43.14 | wlados | yes and gentoo is very interesting but its not good for everyone |
| 14:43.34 | Towzzer | isn't the mp3 codec non-free? |
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| 14:43.58 | bipul | babilen, :( what you mean ? |
| 14:43.59 | _martin | hi, I want to remove dpkg -r ../../libaprutil1-dev_1.2.7%2Bdfsg-2.netgear1_sparc.deb but i get dpkg: you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in |
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| 14:44.15 | babilen | bipul: I don't know -- Is it packaged for Debian? |
| 14:44.15 | _martin | but i dont know the name of the deb package :/ |
| 14:44.19 | Towzzer | try dpkg -r libaprutil1-dev |
| 14:44.24 | _martin | thanks |
| 14:44.27 | Towzzer | sans the path |
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| 14:45.01 | babilen | _martin: Or just use apt-get/aptitude to do that. You might want to purge as well -- Using dpkg directly is typically neither needed nor recommended. |
| 14:45.06 | zykotick9 | _martin: are you really on a sparc machine? if not, i doubt that installed correctly. |
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| 14:45.26 | _martin | yees |
| 14:45.27 | _martin | ok |
| 14:45.28 | bipul | babilen, yes it is there . but i have issue while runing it. |
| 14:45.39 | Towzzer | best command, apt-get purge <package> |
| 14:45.42 | babilen | bipul: Which package is that and what are your issues? |
| 14:45.49 | Towzzer | I think it's silly the default remove keeps files around |
| 14:46.12 | babilen | Towzzer: Why is that? And remove is as much a default as purge .. |
| 14:46.19 | babilen | (as in: not a default at all) |
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| 14:47.11 | Towzzer | I think when you type remove it implies that you are getting rid of the entire program |
| 14:47.23 | Towzzer | people complain about add/remove on windows always leaving crap in the registry or empty directories |
| 14:47.34 | Towzzer | apt-get remove does the same thing |
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| 14:48.03 | bipul | babilen, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/ns2 issue http://pastebin.com/bQHjgs4Z, it is related to emulation in ns-2 |
| 14:49.23 | babilen | Towzzer: Well, "remove" and "purge" are two independent actions with a clearly defined behaviour. Your criticism is that "remove" is wrongly named and people think that it does what "purge" does. The distinction between these two commands are IMHO important and they are also aptly named (IMHO). Do you have a better idea? |
| 14:49.44 | babilen | bipul: What does this have to do with Debian? |
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| 14:50.06 | Towzzer | I can't think of a way to describe only removing the files and not configuration |
| 14:50.10 | Dwarf | Can anyone shed some light on when mpd x64 will be in the wheezy repo? |
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| 14:50.57 | babilen | Dwarf: It won't, ever. |
| 14:50.57 | somiaj | Dwarf: you can check the QA page, but if it isn't in wheezy now it probabaly won't be (as wheezy is frozen) |
| 14:51.17 | somiaj | Dwarf: but you can go check the qa page and it usually gives a link to the email saying why it didn't make it |
| 14:51.27 | Dwarf | It was in wheezy before |
| 14:51.32 | Dwarf | So that's why I'm wondering |
| 14:51.33 | babilen | I don't really care much about mpd, but the last thing I heard about it was: The package is in a bit of a messy state. |
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| 14:52.25 | zykotick9 | Dwarf: someone (i certainly don't remember who) said mpd should return to wheezy "shortly" - a couple of days ago. |
| 14:52.27 | Dwarf | Got a link to said QA page? |
| 14:52.28 | somiaj | Dwarf: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mpd.html might be a place to look |
| 14:52.32 | babilen | Oh, it is in i386 though. Well, no idea .. something must prevent it from building on amd64. |
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| 14:52.47 | babilen | Dwarf: You might also want to check on http://bugs.debian.org |
| 14:52.50 | Dwarf | Oh god those colours |
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| 14:53.02 | somiaj | yea I noticed that, but the version in i386 seems to be slightly different than the version in a few of the other ports |
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| 14:53.41 | Dwarf | I tried to build it from source but me being a complete newbie apparently didn't build the alsa plugins and whatnot, so it was pointless |
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| 14:54.27 | Dwarf | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=mpd#_0_2_4 |
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| 14:55.34 | babilen | somiaj: Well, I don't recall the particulars but this topic came up on #d-devel (or another dev channel) and all I took away from glimpsing at it was "It's a mess" |
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| 14:56.10 | babilen | Dwarf: Which colours are you referring to? And why do they evoke religious feelings? |
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| 14:56.29 | Dwarf | Hahaha the qa page |
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| 14:56.39 | Dwarf | Pink EVERYWHERE |
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| 14:56.47 | boudiccas | i've just been looking at organiser programmes to deal with recurring appiontments in the same day, everyday. i've looked at 'plan', 'xcal' and 'osmo', which seems to be the best. can anyone rcommend any others for me to try out please?? |
| 14:57.00 | somiaj | seems tehre are two serious bugs that are preventing it from being released, but not much info is given on the bugs (and one of them seems to effect the sid version, not the testing one according the bug report) |
| 14:57.10 | babilen | well ... it is ... unfortunately ... the Debian colour. "If I could change one thing about Debian it would be: ...." |
| 14:57.18 | Dwarf | Pink! |
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| 14:57.40 | babilen | somiaj: There was also some NMU snafu ... Ah, I don't care enough about mpd to really look into it. |
| 14:58.03 | jordanm | boudiccas, lightning for iceweasel/thunderbird |
| 14:58.03 | somiaj | babilen: I guess I kinda like the colours, because of the feelings it invokes. I hear that alot about debian colors. (: |
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| 14:58.48 | boudiccas | jordanm: i'm trying to stick to cli stuff, sorry, my bad for not stipulating it |
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| 14:59.06 | mr_daniel | I am installing Debian 6.0.6 on a small server and chosed "LVM with encryption". Writing random numbers on the HDD took about 4 hours(!). Now the installer asks for a password of at least 20 characters. |
| 14:59.13 | mr_daniel | Is it possible to change the password later? What crypto system the installer uses, e.g. LUKS or TrueCrypt? |
| 14:59.15 | jordanm | boudiccas, how about at + wall? |
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| 14:59.34 | boudiccas | at + wall? whatys taht? |
| 14:59.49 | zykotick9 | boudiccas: i use calcurse but not sure it has the feature(s) you're looking for |
| 14:59.56 | jordanm | well, not at, cron since you want it to reoccur. wall sends a message to all logged in users |
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| 15:00.46 | babilen | somiaj: I know what you mean. I like colours though (my colourscheme of choice is molokai and the red is really close to pink/debian) |
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| 15:01.24 | babilen | mr_daniel: It uses LUKS and you can't change the password later, but you can add additional keys to the LUKS device. |
| 15:01.28 | verxion | hello. I've got an ANCIENT debian 4.0 system. Anyone know of repos that still exist for that? |
| 15:01.43 | boudiccas | zykotick9: can it cope with timed appoinments every 6, or so, hours in every day |
| 15:02.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell verxion about etch |
| 15:02.12 | verxion | It just has: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main |
| 15:02.13 | verxion | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main |
| 15:02.25 | babilen | verxion: You /really/ want to upgrade that. Well, I guess you want to just install squeeze from scratch (or wheezy in some months) |
| 15:02.34 | zykotick9 | boudiccas: ahhh, i'm really not sure (sorta doubt it actually), but it's what i use for calendar/appointments |
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| 15:02.48 | verxion | babilen: can't do a wholesale upgrade at the moment |
| 15:02.57 | babilen | verxion: Read the factoid our bot (dpkg) just sent you and as the bot about <etch sources.list> |
| 15:03.08 | boudiccas | i have to take a parkinsins drug |
| 15:03.13 | verxion | this particular company hasn't even rebooted these machines in more than three years |
| 15:03.15 | zykotick9 | boudiccas: i haven't tried to setup anything recurring, i just add one-time stuff to it. |
| 15:03.35 | babilen | verxion: Well, you should have done that ... something like ... two/three years ago :) |
| 15:03.43 | boudiccas | every 6 hours otherwise life gets very painful, so thats a major criteria for it |
| 15:03.47 | verxion | I only just began doing contract work for this place |
| 15:03.52 | verxion | wasn't involed back then, lol |
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| 15:04.28 | verxion | the bot basically said "you are sol" |
| 15:04.42 | boudiccas | zykotick9: but thanks, i'm looking at it now |
| 15:05.17 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: You can always come up with your own thing based on a crontab. |
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| 15:06.42 | Ratio_ | Hellose |
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| 15:06.54 | Ratio_ | *Hello |
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| 15:07.04 | boudiccas | jhutchins_wk: hmm, i'm hoping to use someone elses script/programme first, but that may be the last resort. |
| 15:07.15 | Ratio_ | I recently installed Debian on my system, along with Debian. |
| 15:07.20 | Ratio_ | *Windows 7 |
| 15:07.28 | Ratio_ | That is, I just did so. |
| 15:07.47 | babilen | Ratio_: Which version of Debian and which installer image did you use? |
| 15:08.06 | Ratio_ | 64-bit PC netinst-iso |
| 15:08.20 | Ratio_ | Newest version, downloaded today. |
| 15:08.38 | Ratio_ | Does the installer probe for OSes automatically? |
| 15:08.46 | Ratio_ | I have the feeling I just made a big mistake. |
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| 15:09.31 | Ratio_ | Even when I used a boot repair from Ubuntu Secure Remix, Windows did not show up. |
| 15:09.40 | Ratio_ | *the boot repair tool |
| 15:10.31 | ChrisH | Ratio_: does blkid still show a partition with some windowish stuff on? |
| 15:10.41 | Ratio_ | What is blkid? |
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| 15:11.03 | babilen | Ratio_: Which version exactly? (6.0.6 (squeeze) or wheezy? Does the computer use EFI ? |
| 15:11.05 | ChrisH | Ratio_: a command, just tpe and run |
| 15:11.11 | Ratio_ | Wait a second |
| 15:11.15 | jhutchins_wk | Ratio_: If you reinstall the kernel and probably grub it should repopulate /boot |
| 15:11.20 | Ratio_ | Might as well get the laptop |
| 15:11.27 | zykotick9 | ChrisH: /sbin/blkid might be required. Ratio_ |
| 15:11.35 | ChrisH | Ratio_: if you are not root run /sbin/blkid |
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| 15:11.56 | babilen | Ratio_: Just paste the output to http://paste.debian.net -- It would also help if you could install os-prober (if not installed already) and run "os-prober" and show us the output of that along with that of "update-grub2" on http://paste.debian.net too |
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| 15:12.41 | Ratio_ | booting |
| 15:13.09 | babilen | Ratio_: The last two commands have to be run as root |
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| 15:13.49 | Ratio_ | wait a second |
| 15:13.53 | Ratio_ | real life business |
| 15:14.21 | Ratio_ | I typed in /sbin/blkid, but it didn'd do anything at all |
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| 15:14.32 | Ratio_ | It just went to the next ratio@debian:~$ prompt |
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| 15:15.49 | ChrisH | Ratio_: as root: fdisk -l |
| 15:15.54 | zykotick9 | Ratio_: what's the output of "lsb_release -s" |
| 15:16.02 | zykotick9 | Ratio_: what's the output of "lsb_release -sc" |
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| 15:16.57 | zykotick9 | ChrisH: in the age of GPT, "parted -l" might be a better suggestion then "fdisk -l" |
| 15:17.33 | ChrisH | zykotick9: You are right, I am used to fdisk for 15+ years, I am not into the EFI/GPT times :) |
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| 15:17.46 | Ratio_ | Yeah... |
| 15:17.51 | Ratio_ | It shows three partitions in total. |
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| 15:18.09 | Ratio_ | No of system 'Linux', one 'Extended', and one 'Linux swap / Solaris' |
| 15:18.41 | babilen | Ratio_: Are you connected to the internet with that computer? Can you use a browser? |
| 15:18.42 | Ratio_ | One of type "ext3", one of type "swap" |
| 15:18.52 | ChrisH | Ratio_: use paste.debian.net and show us the requested data. parted -l and lsb_release -sc |
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| 15:19.06 | Ratio_ | I'm using an other computer right now |
| 15:19.11 | Ratio_ | So typing it all over might take some time |
| 15:19.14 | Ratio_ | But will do |
| 15:19.36 | Ratio_ | On Debian, all I have now is a CLI interface, no connection set up yet. |
| 15:19.39 | ChrisH | Ratio_: not ssh possible? Has the system in question internet access? |
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| 15:20.06 | Ratio_ | Haven't set anything up yet. Figured I would do that after installing. |
| 15:20.12 | Ratio_ | Stupid, stupid... |
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| 15:21.49 | babilen | Ratio_: Ok, which version of Debain did you install? (what does "cat /etc/debian_version" give you?) Which version of Windows is on there? Which installer image did you use? (netinstall?) Did you configure network during the installation? |
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| 15:22.51 | Ratio_ | Version 6.0.6.. Windows 7 64-bit. I used netinstall, the 64-bit version. I did not configure the network during the installation |
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| 15:25.06 | ChrisH | Wasn't there an issue with stable and win7 64bit not beeing detected properly? some bells did ring |
| 15:25.13 | babilen | Ratio_: Do you have a working internet connection? How can you connect? |
| 15:25.39 | Ratio_ | I have no internet connection set up on the laptop with Debian running right now. |
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| 15:25.46 | Ratio_ | I have no idea how I can connect. |
| 15:25.48 | babilen | Ratio_: But you /do/ have internet? |
| 15:25.54 | Ratio_ | On this computer. |
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| 15:26.29 | babilen | Ratio_: And how is "this" computer is connected to the internet? Would connecting the "other" (Debian) computer be an option? |
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| 15:27.01 | NoWired | hi |
| 15:27.07 | Ratio_ | This computer is connected to the internet through a wireless internet connection using a router, if that's what you mean. |
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| 15:27.23 | NoWired | I need to install "JasperServer" anybody can tell me what is this packet on debian? |
| 15:27.33 | Ratio_ | I could connect the other computer, but I have never 'manually' set up an internet connection on a computer. |
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| 15:27.44 | DrSeuss | is there a way to know what program i have configured to print screen? when i push it, screen goes white for a second like its taking a picture... but i have no idea where is being saved or what program is taking the picture |
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| 15:27.51 | babilen | Ratio_: And the "other" computer would theoretically be able to connect to the same wireless network? Is that network encrypted? (if so: How? WPA/WPA2 or WEP or something else?) |
| 15:27.52 | Ratio_ | So it is an option, but it might take some time to figure out for me how to. |
| 15:27.59 | ChrisH | NoWired: check aptitude search jasper |
| 15:28.06 | Ratio_ | The network is encrypted using WEP. |
| 15:28.15 | Ratio_ | I think it should be able to connect. |
| 15:28.18 | Ratio_ | I have the WEP key. |
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| 15:28.30 | ChrisH | Ratio_: Is there an option to use a LAN cable to connect the Laptop to the router? |
| 15:28.45 | babilen | Ratio_: Can you connect to the internet using ethernet? |
| 15:29.26 | Ratio_ | I already looked for the ethernet cable. |
| 15:29.31 | Ratio_ | I guess I should look some more. |
| 15:29.34 | Ratio_ | I can't find it, damn... |
| 15:29.48 | Ratio_ | http://pastebin.com/vkGJYbRS |
| 15:29.53 | Ratio_ | My fdisk -l output. |
| 15:30.07 | babilen | Ratio_: I am simply asking because you've installed Debian in the worst possible way. First and foremost I would recommend to install a /newer/ version of Debian which is expected to be released soon called wheezy using a netinstall image from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/ |
| 15:30.43 | Ratio_ | I'm never following advice from archived forum topics again. Lesson learned. |
| 15:30.46 | babilen | Ratio_: Given that you installed Debian already we might be able to get you online and get your Windows configured in grub, but that requires some manual work. |
| 15:31.33 | babilen | Ratio_: Well, you only should use the netinstall if you /are/ able to connect to the internet. The easiest way to connect is by using ethernet, but the squeeze installer supports WEP and the wheezy one WPA2 ... and all that. |
| 15:31.34 | ChrisH | babilen,Ratio_ given there is only one Disk in your Laptio, it looks like you wiped windows |
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| 15:32.20 | babilen | Yeah, and I do have that impression as well. Which is unfortunate and I am truly sorry for that, but that was, well, a mistake. (You probably chose "Use entire disk" or something like that during the partitioning stage) |
| 15:32.23 | ChrisH | Ratio_: what size does df -h / show. |
| 15:32.26 | zykotick9 | NoWired: if you mean http://www.jaspersoft.com with it's "Download a Free 30 Day Trial", i highly doubt you'll find anything packaged _in_ debian. |
| 15:32.47 | Ratio_ | Alright. |
| 15:33.03 | daaxma | 6c6c6 |
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| 15:33.30 | Ratio_ | Well, it prints a lot of stuff. |
| 15:33.58 | Ratio_ | The size of what? /dv/sda1? tmpfs? udev? tmpfs (why is this in there twice)? |
| 15:34.12 | ChrisH | Ratio_: 'df -h /Ä' should only print 2 lines, one header and one line for / |
| 15:34.23 | ChrisH | ups.. "df -h / " |
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| 15:35.18 | NoWired | zykotick9, I don't know if is this trial program, I only know that it's a dependence of an aplication based on java/tomcat, it's a report server |
| 15:35.24 | babilen | Ratio_: So, to summarise: You can connect to the internet (your wlan) by following the manual configuration instructions in /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian -- that is a bit hard and I would just recommend to either search for an ethernet cable or use DVD1 for the installation (and install a desktop environment) |
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| 15:35.57 | Ratio_ | http://pastebin.com/PbhRQmXn |
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| 15:36.09 | Ratio_ | df -h / output. |
| 15:36.11 | zykotick9 | NoWired: well there did appear to be some libs related to it in repo. best of luck. (i'm no help) |
| 15:36.33 | Ratio_ | That would appear to be a very small amount of data used. |
| 15:36.38 | Ratio_ | I installed lots of things on Windows. |
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| 15:36.41 | Ratio_ | Kept tons of data. |
| 15:36.52 | Ratio_ | Like half of the disk? Don't remember the exacts. |
| 15:37.06 | NoWired | zykotick9, thanks anyway |
| 15:37.29 | Ratio_ | Seems like I screwed up then~! |
| 15:38.08 | ChrisH | Ratio_: you used abt. 450GB from your 500GB Disk for Linux, so its time to install windows again and give only some space to win7 _Then_ install Wheezy. |
| 15:38.10 | babilen | Ratio_: What did you do during the partitioning scheme? Did you chose "Use entire disk" or something like that? |
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| 15:38.41 | ChrisH | Ratio_: Its allways recommended to start installations with the most complicated installation process, so Win first |
| 15:39.04 | Ratio_ | I think I did 'guided partitioning' or something like that. |
| 15:39.23 | somiaj | the only real issue with doing windows second is you have to manually get your mbr back so you can boot the linux partition |
| 15:39.29 | babilen | Ratio_: yeah, guided partitioning defaults to using the entire disk (which would include your windows installation) ... |
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| 15:39.39 | babilen | If I remember correctly |
| 15:39.40 | Ratio_ | Well... |
| 15:39.43 | Ratio_ | Seems like there's no hope then. |
| 15:39.49 | Ratio_ | Thanks for your help. |
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| 15:40.03 | nh2 | bugzilla.intellinuxwireless.org is down. Somebody know how I can find out the IP? |
| 15:40.07 | Ratio_ | I guess I am now just going to cry into a corner or something. |
| 15:40.32 | babilen | Ratio_: Ok, but to reiterate: I would /still/ recommend to install wheezy (using either DVD1 from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/) or the netinst with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/ |
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| 15:40.44 | somiaj | nh2: the IP for what? |
| 15:40.45 | Ratio_ | Thanks. |
| 15:40.55 | Ratio_ | I guess I need something on my laptop in order to be able to use it, then. |
| 15:41.01 | nh2 | somiaj: the IP of that bugtracker; the DNS record is gone |
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| 15:41.22 | babilen | Ratio_: You can install that either /before/ or /after/ you install Windows. If you install it afterwards you definitely want "Manual" partitioning so that you don't overwrite Windows again. |
| 15:41.38 | Ratio_ | Yes. |
| 15:41.47 | Ratio_ | I never partitioned things 'manually' before. |
| 15:41.55 | Ratio_ | So I guess this was bound to happen at some point. |
| 15:42.10 | Sidze | In the case of I install Windows on the bootloader, what is the instruction to remake the bootloader ? |
| 15:42.12 | babilen | Ratio_: The wheezy installer should support your wireless network out of the box, but I would still recommend to use ethernet. If you use wireless you have to edit /etc/network/interfaces after the installation and remove the entries for your network if you want to use the graphical network-manager. |
| 15:42.13 | Ratio_ | What did I lose... Some minor things for school. |
| 15:42.20 | Ratio_ | And a lot of games. |
| 15:42.35 | Ratio_ | Could be worse. I have most of the important things on Dropbox and USB sticks. |
| 15:42.47 | nh2 | Ratio_: what happened? |
| 15:42.49 | Ratio_ | Again, thanks for your help, will pay heed to your advice. |
| 15:42.59 | zykotick9 | !tell Sidze about fixmbr |
| 15:43.05 | Ratio_ | I used guided partitioning and thereby unwittingly wiped Windows, nh2. |
| 15:43.10 | babilen | Ratio_: Well, I am truly sorry and I also guess that you don't have good backups. This is, ultimately, a user error, but I can understand that you ran into this. |
| 15:43.14 | jacksmithz | is there a "The Debian Administrator's Handbook" for Debian 7.0 "wheezy" ? |
| 15:43.29 | babilen | jacksmithz: The Debian handbook should cover wheezy just fine |
| 15:43.30 | nh2 | Ratio_: with data override or did you just screw up the partition boundaries? |
| 15:43.32 | somiaj | nh2: I dont know of any archive of dns that could help. You could maybe try to contact the admin for intellinuxwireless.org |
| 15:44.19 | Ratio_ | I think I did nothing about the partition boundaries, so I guess the problem lies there. |
| 15:44.35 | jacksmithz | yeah I guess, was just interested in knowing if there was an unofficial/draft 6th edition |
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| 15:44.51 | babilen | I guess you simply used "Guided Partitioning - Use entire disk" which used the entire disk. (including Windows) |
| 15:45.15 | babilen | jacksmithz: No, and most of the stuff in there shouldn't be squeeze specific. |
| 15:45.29 | jacksmithz | yeah I know, nevermind :) |
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| 15:46.30 | Ratio_ | Thanks for your sympathies I guess, babilen. I don't have any backups. |
| 15:46.50 | Ratio_ | I have backups of all non-free games (Steam, yay) but not of the freeware. |
| 15:47.02 | Ratio_ | So this is more of a logistic disaster than anything else, really. |
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| 15:47.08 | Ratio_ | But still incredibly, incredibly inconvenient. |
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| 15:47.27 | Kingsy | why is fdisk not installed as standard on debian ? |
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| 15:47.43 | Towzzer | kingsy, use parted my good man |
| 15:47.49 | Towzzer | fdisk is lacking support for newer technologies |
| 15:47.54 | somiaj | Kingsy: it isn't? Are you sure? it is just located in /sbin (so not the normal users $PATH) |
| 15:48.24 | somiaj | fdisk is a part of util-linux which is a required package. It should be there |
| 15:48.31 | wsky | Kingsy: maybe you should try running it from root |
| 15:48.46 | Kingsy | somiaj: nope, which fdisk returns nothing. |
| 15:48.52 | babilen | util-linux /should/ be installed |
| 15:48.57 | Kingsy | it is |
| 15:48.59 | somiaj | Kingsy: are you running this as root or a normal user? |
| 15:49.02 | babilen | Kingsy: "ls -l /sbin/fdisk" ? |
| 15:49.05 | zykotick9 | Kingsy: try "whereis fdisk" |
| 15:49.16 | somiaj | Kingsy: if you are running it as a normal user, then of course you won't see it. It is not in a normal users $PATH as I already said |
| 15:49.33 | Kingsy | hrm it worked as riit |
| 15:49.35 | Kingsy | root |
| 15:49.49 | somiaj | maybe if you would listen, that is what we have been saying. |
| 15:49.50 | Kingsy | shouldnt it say "you need to be root" not that the binary was not found. |
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| 15:50.22 | somiaj | Kingsy: no, it is about teh $PATH variable. binaries put in /sbin and /usr/sbin are not designed to be ran by a non root user so they are not in that users $PATH |
| 15:50.25 | Kingsy | somiaj: well wsky suggested it, I tried it, it worked.. so I did listen :D |
| 15:50.32 | boudiccas | Kingsy: if you want your hand to be held, then maybe Debian isn't for you |
| 15:50.34 | Kingsy | somiaj: ah right |
| 15:50.47 | Kingsy | well that answers that :D |
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| 15:50.51 | somiaj | Kingsy: the very first thing I said was it is located in /sbin not your normal users $PATH. (: |
| 15:51.29 | Kingsy | got ya, thanks |
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| 15:57.25 | markit | hi, I've downloaded http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso checked md5 but does not boot |
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| 15:57.41 | markit | "failed to load ldlinux.c32" |
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| 15:57.44 | markit | any idea? |
| 15:57.59 | babilen | hehe |
| 15:58.24 | babilen | markit: Yeah, the syslinux maintainer thought it is funny to break the debian-installer |
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| 15:59.02 | babilen | markit: Could you try the daily? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/ or the beta4 ? |
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| 16:04.07 | markit | babilen: ho, so much fun, ok, thanks I'll try :) |
| 16:04.34 | GNU\colossus | I'm on wheezy using xfce. what's my best option to make the look and feel/theme settings of gtk2 and gtk3 apps match as closely as possible? |
| 16:04.42 | johnfg | Anyone know of a workaround for nautilus-open-terminal to work on desktop, not just when another window's open? This is on wheezy with gnome3. |
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| 16:04.47 | babilen | markit: One second (I asked the installer devs in #debian-boot on OFTC about this) |
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| 16:05.08 | johnfg | It's current behavior isn't very helpful. |
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| 16:05.11 | markit | babilen: ok, also because in that dir there is not cd1 that I need |
| 16:05.31 | markit | only netinst... |
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| 16:06.57 | tuxhat | oi i'm trying to put debian testing cd-1 on my usb i tried fat, fat32 , ext2 and ext4 and no avail i keep getting ldlinux.cfg something error and i do it right u know dd if=image iso of=usb drive |
| 16:07.04 | babilen | markit: You want the beta4 -- dailies and weeklies are broken right now. (sorry) |
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| 16:07.08 | tuxhat | and it doesnt boot i tried unetbootin doesnt boot |
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| 16:07.38 | Towzzer | tuxhat, you don't need to partition it because you are overwriting that with dd |
| 16:07.38 | tuxhat | any idea people ? |
| 16:07.42 | babilen | markit: See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=699382 and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=699808 for the (sad sad) details. |
| 16:07.52 | Towzzer | dd if=image.iso of=usb bs=1000000 |
| 16:08.06 | GNU\colossus | ah, installing gtk3-engines-xfce seems to have helped. |
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| 16:08.17 | markit | babilen: thanks a lot, do you have handly a link to a -CD1 of weezly that boots? I'll upgrade from there |
| 16:08.22 | tuxhat | well the thing is |
| 16:08.29 | tuxhat | its not booting up |
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| 16:08.32 | babilen | markit: lets see |
| 16:08.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell markit -about wheezy installer |
| 16:09.11 | tuxhat | doesn't even get to the grub or syslinux or whatever it uses |
| 16:09.13 | johnfg | Is there some other app or equivalent of nautilus-open-terminal that works in gnome3 the same way as gnome2 and earlier? |
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| 16:09.19 | bitfury | hello, I have two boxes with exactly the same sources.list and when I do a aptitude search for libmysqlclient18 it comes up on one but nothing in the other |
| 16:09.24 | bitfury | what am I doing wrong here? |
| 16:09.32 | bitfury | did apt-get update |
| 16:09.34 | tuxhat | ok people try it urself and see what u get |
| 16:09.39 | markit | babilen: ok, I'll go with beta4 net install, seems there are not CD available thanks again |
| 16:09.43 | tuxhat | i think something wrong with the iso |
| 16:09.46 | Towzzer | tuxhat, I've done this, did you issue the command as stated |
| 16:09.48 | tuxhat | to be honest |
| 16:09.49 | Towzzer | what iso also |
| 16:10.01 | tuxhat | cd-1 |
| 16:10.12 | tuxhat | 631mb |
| 16:10.16 | Towzzer | and the DD command you did? |
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| 16:10.52 | tuxhat | dd if=debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso <something like that> of=/dev/sdd |
| 16:11.07 | Towzzer | and that doesn't boot? |
| 16:11.11 | markit | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.11 | tuxhat | nope |
| 16:11.18 | markit | mmm seems is available |
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| 16:11.34 | babilen | tuxhat: Is that a daily or weekly? |
| 16:11.34 | tuxhat | i format it to may different partition |
| 16:11.50 | tuxhat | umm |
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| 16:12.06 | Towzzer | the file system or partiton doesn't matter because you completely destroying them with that dd command |
| 16:12.08 | babilen | tuxhat: And btw, it is recommended to use cat or cp in lieu of dd (faster and less awkward syntax) -- See "/msg dpkg usb install" for a link. |
| 16:12.20 | foxtrot9 | hi i'm having some trouble installing debian, installation seems to ask for missing firmware files b43/ucode15.fw and b43-open/ucode15.fw, where can I get these files? |
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| 16:12.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell bitfury -about bat |
| 16:12.25 | netsrot | Hi, anyone who knows how to get sunjre in debian testing? |
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| 16:12.43 | babilen | bitfury: Could you paste the "apt-cache policy" output and sources.list from both boxes on http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 16:12.49 | jelly | babilen: which block size do cat or cp use for writes? |
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| 16:13.17 | babilen | jelly: IIRC they both scale the blocksize during the write |
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| 16:13.36 | jelly | netsrot: download the tarballs from Oracle, then use make-jpkg tool from java-package package to create .debs |
| 16:13.43 | tuxhat | yeah ok but i want a 64 bit its giving me i386 |
| 16:14.06 | tuxhat | should i just use squeeze iso instead |
| 16:14.07 | Towzzer | dd is faste rthan cat when you use a high bs for usb drives |
| 16:14.16 | tuxhat | i can just upgrade it to wheezy |
| 16:14.20 | jelly | netsrot: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 16:14.40 | zykotick9 | tuxhat: there is a amd64 b4 installer. |
| 16:14.41 | babilen | tuxhat: The current dailies and weeklies are /broken/ due to a major error of the syslinux maintainer (cf. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=699808) -- Use beta4 for now |
| 16:14.46 | tuxhat | yeah dd is faster u can use bs=1024k or whatever |
| 16:15.10 | tuxhat | ok thanks man so the weekly and daily are broken |
| 16:15.23 | tuxhat | yeah thats the problem im getting is with the syslinux |
| 16:15.34 | tuxhat | ok thanks for the information people |
| 16:15.36 | tuxhat | :) |
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| 16:15.49 | tuxhat | hey valdino |
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| 16:16.12 | tuxhat | well im gonna get rid of arch linux system meh its crap |
| 16:16.13 | Domaci_ | hey |
| 16:16.20 | Domaci_ | great |
| 16:16.27 | tuxhat | debian always been good for me |
| 16:16.29 | tuxhat | :) |
| 16:16.50 | netsrot | or does openjre work with minecraft yet? |
| 16:16.53 | Domaci_ | i like that you will be installing it |
| 16:17.41 | tuxhat | may i ask one more question is it now possible to put kfreebsd iso on a usb ? |
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| 16:18.26 | tuxhat | debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso 2013-02-04 06:07 631M << thats the iso i used |
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| 16:18.52 | tuxhat | where are the b4 iso ? |
| 16:19.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell tuxhat -about wheezy installer |
| 16:19.27 | toad_ | i'm getting an SSL certificate error on a website on my debian box but not on windows. windows says it's verisign class 3 so it seems highly unlikely it's been revoked. packaging issue ? |
| 16:20.24 | tuxhat | debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-CD-1.iso 17-Nov-2012 22:05 634M |
| 16:20.29 | tuxhat | thats the one i should get eh |
| 16:20.57 | tuxhat | im downloading it |
| 16:21.04 | tuxhat | thanks for the help people |
| 16:21.19 | Domaci_ | ))great |
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| 16:21.36 | tuxhat | hmm |
| 16:21.42 | zykotick9 | toad_: i had an update for ca-certificates on wheezy in the last day-or-so... is your system up-to-date? |
| 16:21.51 | tuxhat | well i will give this a shot |
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| 16:21.58 | tuxhat | and go from there |
| 16:22.14 | toad_ | zykotick9: yes apparently |
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| 16:26.56 | toad_ | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ca-certificates shows the same as i have now |
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| 16:27.27 | zykotick9 | toad_: can i ask what site it is (so i can test) - or does it require a login/account? |
| 16:27.43 | toad_ | it needs a login *AFTER* the SSL works |
| 16:27.47 | toad_ | http://www.studentfinance.direct.gov.uk |
| 16:27.49 | tuxhat | useless info but ok thanks |
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| 16:27.52 | toad_ | click on "continue to login" |
| 16:28.01 | babilen | bitfury: Would you mind pasting it somewhere else? I cannot access that one. (e.g. http://paste.debian.net http://refheap.com or http://gist.github.com or http://sprunge.us ...) |
| 16:28.20 | zykotick9 | toad_: i get Untrusted in iceweasel :( |
| 16:28.25 | toad_ | breaks in iceweasel (packaged) (and in firefox too, non-packaged) |
| 16:28.30 | toad_ | right, so something is broken |
| 16:28.40 | toad_ | (legitimate, up to date) windows box does not get this error |
| 16:28.47 | toad_ | checks whether it is in fact up to date, 1mo |
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| 16:29.24 | babilen | toad_: Works fine here (chromium on sid) |
| 16:29.49 | toad_ | babilen: is chromium packaged? |
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| 16:30.02 | ChrisH | I get validated by verisign. |
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| 16:30.36 | toad_ | it's very unlikely that it's a problem with the site imho |
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| 16:30.40 | babilen | ,i chromium --release wheezy |
| 16:30.42 | judd | Package chromium (web, optional) in wheezy/i386: Google's open source chromium web browser. Version: 22.0.1229.94~r161065+dfsg-0.1; Size: 34970.6k; Installed: 92581k; Homepage: http://code.google.com/chromium/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/chromium |
| 16:30.45 | ChrisH | toad_: iceweasel 3.5.16 squeeze |
| 16:31.03 | babilen | I've tried Chromium in sid (works) and Iceweasel in sid (barfs) |
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| 16:31.25 | toad_ | so chromium doesn't use the global certificates list then... |
| 16:31.28 | bitfury | babilen: sorry about that, here it is http://pastebin.com/hq8vJ5MQ |
| 16:32.19 | toad_ | so the workaround is to use chromium ... which in spite of being packaged, doesn't use the distro's cert list |
| 16:32.25 | babilen | toad_: No idea, just wanted to provide some additional data. |
| 16:33.46 | babilen | bitfury: I also need the "apt-cache policy PKG" output for the package in question (and maybe throw in your sources.list (and please try to use anything by pastebin.com in the future (it mangles input and bombards me with ads)) |
| 16:33.55 | toad_ | chromium here rejects it |
| 16:34.05 | toad_ | "the server presented a certificate issued by an entity that is not trusted by your computer's operating system" |
| 16:34.18 | babilen | wfm |
| 16:34.20 | toad_ | which is remarkable, did verisign have to dump a root cert recently? |
| 16:34.28 | babilen | ,v ca-certificates |
| 16:34.30 | judd | Package: ca-certificates on i386 -- lenny: 20080809; lenny-backports: 20090814~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 20090814+nmu3; squeeze: 20090814+nmu3squeeze1; sid: 20130119; wheezy: 20130119 |
| 16:34.52 | ChrisH | chromium 6.0.472.63 (59945) Built on Debian 6.0, running on Debian 6.0.6 is also happy with the certificate |
| 16:35.08 | toad_ | odd .. that's what i'm running |
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| 16:35.37 | toad_ | yep, that's exactly what i'm running |
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| 16:36.42 | ChrisH | http://paste.debian.net/231982/ does that help? |
| 16:37.09 | toad_ | how do you generate that? |
| 16:37.17 | toad_ | oh yeah |
| 16:37.43 | toad_ | it's exactly the same as mine :| |
| 16:38.07 | ChrisH | toad_: are you behind some company firewall/proxy? |
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| 16:38.27 | toad_ | nope |
| 16:38.39 | toad_ | and other people here have been getting the same error |
| 16:38.46 | toad_ | and anyway it works in windows |
| 16:38.51 | toad_ | so clearly it's not been MITMed |
| 16:38.54 | bitfury | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/231983/ i included sources.list in the last paste :) |
| 16:39.10 | bitfury | sorry about the ads |
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| 16:41.04 | WormFood | how can I get a list of sectors already marked as being bad? |
| 16:41.29 | WormFood | I see nothing in tune2fs and debugfs, which is the only tools I can think of. |
| 16:41.38 | Towzzer | smartmontools might have it |
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| 16:41.44 | ChrisH | WormFood: why do you wnat to do that? If current disks show bad secotrs, there are no more backup sectors left |
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| 16:42.18 | WormFood | I doubt smarttools would have it. It would be recorded in the file system, not the smart status |
| 16:42.19 | toad_ | https://www.tbs-internet.com/php/HTML/testssl_verif.php |
| 16:42.21 | toad_ | damn |
| 16:42.28 | toad_ | looks like it's a genuine breakage |
| 16:42.37 | toad_ | but since it works on windows, they will never, ever, ever fix it until the end of time |
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| 16:43.30 | babilen | bitfury: Ok, that is the output from one box. And the other? You should have (the outdated) 5.5.28-rel29.1-334.squeeze on one box |
| 16:43.36 | babilen | judd: v libmysqlclient18 |
| 16:43.37 | judd | Package: libmysqlclient18 on i386 -- wheezy: 5.5.28+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.29+dfsg-1 |
| 16:43.40 | ChrisH | toad_: both are recognized in both of my tested browsers |
| 16:43.42 | WormFood | ChrisH, I want a list of sectors that are already marked as bad. The fact that the firmware has no spare sectors is moot. |
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| 16:44.28 | bitfury | babilen: hmm that was for both boxes |
| 16:44.36 | babilen | bitfury: I also don't see the percona repository in your first paste. |
| 16:44.45 | babilen | And that version isn't in Debian |
| 16:44.49 | ChrisH | WormFood: check smartctl might be an option |
| 16:45.05 | WormFood | actually smartctl shows no problems with bad sectors |
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| 16:45.06 | foxtrot9 | What is the difference between the testing sources and backports? |
| 16:45.12 | toad_ | ChrisH: that suggests that somebody is MITMing it for half the internet (the part that me and the others who said it was busted are on) with a busted verisign root cert, that's been revoked on debian but not on windows? that seems rather unlikely ... |
| 16:45.13 | markit | babilen: also beta4 is broken |
| 16:45.21 | babilen | bitfury: It looks as if you installed libmysqlclient18 from an unsupported third-party repository. |
| 16:45.27 | WormFood | however, I'm sure I manually gave it a list of bad sectors (which has more sectors marked as bad, that really aren't bad) |
| 16:45.29 | babilen | markit: huh? broken how? |
| 16:45.54 | markit | ldlnux.c32 at boot |
| 16:46.01 | markit | (let me check if I used the right iso) |
| 16:46.07 | babilen | I feel so bad for Ratio_ -- (S)he is probably trying the wheezy daily only to discover that that doesn't work as well. *sigh* |
| 16:46.18 | bitfury | babilen: yeah someone else set that box up so that might've been it |
| 16:46.29 | markit | babilen: my foult, sorry!!! |
| 16:46.35 | ChrisH | toad_: I am not deep into certificates and need to trust what the browser tells me. |
| 16:46.39 | babilen | markit: That shouldn't happen with the beta4 image. This issue just came up and the beta4 images have been around for a while and used by a bunch of people (me included) |
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| 16:46.55 | bitfury | babilen: thanks for help |
| 16:46.56 | toad_ | ChrisH: my usage of this website is not optional |
| 16:47.03 | markit | babilen: yep, I uploaded to Proxmox server but forgot to change VM cd link |
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| 16:47.28 | toad_ | I guess I'll just have to take a chance with identity theft - there's obviously something seriously wrong, but it could be relatively minor (debian have revoked it but windows hasn't) |
| 16:47.42 | babilen | bitfury: It looks as if someone tried to force MySQL 5.5 into Squeeze by installing it from some third-party repository. That is neither recommended nor supported by us, but it probabl explains the problems you have. |
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| 16:48.57 | toad_ | http://www.tbs-certificats.com/FAQ/en/disable_vs_G5_2036.html |
| 16:49.00 | toad_ | is this relevant? |
| 16:49.18 | toad_ | it looks like MS had a bad root cert, taking it out fixed the problem |
| 16:49.48 | toad_ | maybe debian has a similar issue? |
| 16:50.35 | toad_ | but afaics that's a server-side issue ... it definitely showed the wrong certificate expiring in 2036 ... |
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| 16:52.41 | ChrisH | toad_: if you go in iceweasle: Edit / Prefernces / Extended (most right one) / crypotography (most right one) / show certifcates / Signers // need to translate fom my localized browser. Does it show verizsihn certificates? |
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| 16:53.19 | tuxhat | ok yeah thanks man |
| 16:53.27 | tuxhat | it was the weekly iso that is the problem |
| 16:53.32 | tuxhat | this one work :) |
| 16:53.35 | tuxhat | thanks people |
| 16:53.43 | toad_ | yes but i think this is a dodgy one that they've misconfigured and isn't widely used any more |
| 16:53.52 | tuxhat | go debian :) |
| 16:53.54 | tuxhat | cheers |
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| 17:01.26 | toad_ | okay, the problem is the website doesn't serve the intermediary certs. these are supposed to be served by the website, therefore debian doesn't include them. downloading the comodo certs manually and importing them into iceweasel fixes the problem. |
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| 17:02.40 | awc737 | I just installed deb7 on my new laptop, and the graphics are horribly distorted, static |
| 17:02.46 | awc737 | if I press the power button it sleeps or hibernates, but when I press it again, it logs me back in and the graphics look fine |
| 17:03.01 | awc737 | on every fresh boot however, graphics are horribly distorted |
| 17:03.33 | wsky | awc737: what kind of a graphic chip have yu there? |
| 17:03.40 | awc737 | wsky, intel hd4000 |
| 17:04.25 | wsky | seems like a river issue |
| 17:04.28 | wsky | drivr* |
| 17:04.35 | wsky | driver .. |
| 17:04.43 | awc737 | are there any debian drivers for intel 4000? |
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| 17:05.03 | somiaj | awc737: do you have linux-firmware-nonfree installed? (that might help but not sure why a suspend fixes the issue) |
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| 17:05.25 | somiaj | awc737: well the drivers come with the linux kernel and xorg. you can check out the log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if you can see anything there |
| 17:05.36 | somiaj | awc737: it could be just some sync setting not working |
| 17:06.07 | awc737 | Unable to locate package linux-firmware-nonfree |
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| 17:06.16 | awc737 | I've added contrib non-free to my sources |
| 17:06.21 | ChrisH | toad_: FYI, I asked two additional persion to check the last URL and nones browers complain. But all from .de |
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| 17:07.38 | awc737 | I am on kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64, should I upgrade? |
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| 17:08.43 | somiaj | awc737: na that kernel should be fine. It is probabaly a setting issue. But I cannot think of what. |
| 17:09.13 | toad_ | ChrisH: yes, it works if you have those certificates cached in your browser due to previously visiting sites that use that particular comodo chain |
| 17:09.32 | awc737 | hmm |
| 17:09.34 | toad_ | ChrisH: the problem is they don't include the intermediary certs, so it won't work if you haven't visited other sites using it previously |
| 17:09.52 | toad_ | unless you download them manually and import them from https://support.comodo.com/index.php?_m=downloads&_a=viewdownload&downloaditemid=122 |
| 17:10.03 | awc737 | somiaj, I can't imagine there is a "distort my display on startup" option :) |
| 17:10.46 | somiaj | awc737: it is probabaly a sync issue. xorg these days tries to auto detect everything from reading the EEID of your monintor. Maybe you just have a setup where the initial setup doesn't read things correctly. |
| 17:10.53 | somiaj | awc737: you are using gnome right? |
| 17:10.59 | awc737 | yes gnome 3, not classic |
| 17:11.16 | awc737 | I installed firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 17:11.41 | awc737 | brb ill try again |
| 17:11.43 | somiaj | awc737: there is a command called |
| 17:11.47 | awc737 | ? |
| 17:11.55 | somiaj | awc737: xrefresh -- try to run that command if it is distorted |
| 17:12.05 | somiaj | awc737: if the refreshign of the screen fixes it you may just have to script that in |
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| 17:13.24 | awc737 | ok thanks I'll try |
| 17:13.30 | wsky | dimir: lulz |
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| 17:19.15 | awc737 | is still just happened |
| 17:19.22 | awc737 | I tried xrefresh while the graphics were distorted, nothing |
| 17:19.46 | wsky | you could try upgrading kernel |
| 17:20.01 | somiaj | I don't think it is a kernel issue, can you paste the /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:20.05 | awc737 | apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 17:20.08 | awc737 | lol |
| 17:20.30 | wsky | you havent had this installed |
| 17:20.31 | somiaj | also you cannot easily get a newer kernel in debian wheezy at the moment (as there isn't even a newer one in sid yet) |
| 17:20.33 | wsky | ? |
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| 17:20.42 | _ramok | hi |
| 17:20.50 | awc737 | lol I do have that installed |
| 17:20.54 | awc737 | was just checking |
| 17:20.56 | _ramok | how can i see if libc is installed |
| 17:20.57 | wsky | yes he can, just let him build it. |
| 17:21.03 | netsrot | minecraft seems to work with openjre now =) |
| 17:21.06 | _ramok | isn't "make" available in gcc package? |
| 17:21.22 | darkskiez | build-essential |
| 17:21.24 | somiaj | wsky: I wouldn't say building a kernel is 'easy' for many |
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| 17:21.54 | wsky | somiaj: maybe but there should be /proc/config.gz available |
| 17:22.02 | somiaj | _ramok: gnu make is in it's own package. as darkskiez build-essential is a nice meta package (note it also pulls in a some debian specific building tools as well tha tmay not be needed just to run make) |
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| 17:22.22 | somiaj | wsky: debian is nicer than that, /boot/config-ver for all debian kernels |
| 17:22.35 | wsky | ah. ok. |
| 17:22.37 | somiaj | wsky: and it is still not a trivial task to always get a working kernel from that config |
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| 17:22.58 | wsky | just run make menuconfig with the old config loaded and save new .config |
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| 17:23.06 | wsky | that's one of the easier ways |
| 17:23.07 | _ramok | somiaj: i just need the make tool currently |
| 17:23.10 | _ramok | i want to install redis |
| 17:23.14 | awc737 | maybe I just try linux mint to get latest kernel :( |
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| 17:23.48 | codekK | hi all, someone know freenode channel for vala language? |
| 17:24.08 | somiaj | _ramok: well the package surprising enough is called 'make' |
| 17:24.12 | somiaj | _ramok: so apt-get install make |
| 17:24.43 | somiaj | _ramok: in general build-essential is a nice meta package though (but I do like compling my source into .deb packages) |
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| 17:25.43 | awc737 | which kernel should I get ? apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 17:25.57 | awc737 | following this link (if it works with wheezy) https://ticketing.nforce.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/27/0/upgrading-the-kernel-to-2638-in-debian-6-squeeze |
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| 17:25.59 | somiaj | awc737: you have an old cache (I didn't think that kernel was still in backports) |
| 17:26.20 | somiaj | awc737: the current kernel in squeeze backports is 3.2 |
| 17:26.22 | wsky | awc737: taht's an older kernel tahn default of wheezy |
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| 17:26.54 | somiaj | awc737: but you are using wheezy (not squeeze) so the default kernel in wheezy is 3.2. Since it works after you do a suspend I doubt it is a kernel/driver issue. |
| 17:26.55 | wsky | awc737: you should get a newer one |
| 17:27.08 | awc737 | oh my bad, I thought that was 3.6 |
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| 17:27.42 | awc737 | same process though? with debian? |
| 17:27.50 | wsky | awc737: why not give building a kernel.org vanilla kernel a try? |
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| 17:28.48 | somiaj | awc737: I still think the kernel is not the issue. As you said it works fine after a suspend, I have asked you multiple times for your Xorg.0.log file to see if there is any clues in there |
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| 17:29.05 | wsky | awc737: also i'd look into your driver configuration options |
| 17:29.09 | awc737 | k |
| 17:29.29 | somiaj | yea look at the output of dmesg as well (look for info regarding the intel video driver) |
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| 17:30.16 | jacksmithz | anyone here successfully installed wheezy in virtualbox? |
| 17:30.33 | nkuttler | jacksmithz: why do you ask? |
| 17:30.39 | codekK | Hi all, i added a PPA on my debian and now when i try apt-get update i get errors, i want to remove this ppa. How i can do it? I add the ppa like this --> add-apt-repository ppa:vala-team |
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| 17:31.20 | somiaj | codekK: PPA's are for ubuntu, not debian |
| 17:31.30 | awc737 | let me reboot and grab whatever the latest log says |
| 17:31.37 | somiaj | codekK: do not add PPA's and do not install packages from them as their dependencies are for ubuntu releases (not debian) |
| 17:31.46 | codekK | somiaj, yes i know now |
| 17:31.55 | jacksmithz | because I just tried two times, and installations goes fine, but then when i try to run the OS virtualbox just stops responding. dunno if it is a virtualbox issue or a wheezy issue |
| 17:32.00 | somiaj | codekK: the repos should be in either /etc/apt/sources.list or a snippet in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 17:32.23 | codekK | hmm at /etc/apt/source.list dont appear the changes :S i go to see in the other file |
| 17:32.23 | codekK | thanks |
| 17:32.50 | somiaj | jacksmithz: I would guess it is a vbox configuration issue on your end. |
| 17:33.02 | nkuttler | jacksmithz: hm... i guess the wheezy kernel couldn't like the vbox 'hardware'.. |
| 17:33.15 | nkuttler | so yeah, different config could help |
| 17:33.31 | jacksmithz | yeah allright |
| 17:33.53 | nkuttler | jacksmithz: can you boot into rescue mode? |
| 17:34.02 | codekK | somiaj, thanks in a /etc/apt/source.list.d/ is a file called ppa-vala-team... i remove it and now works fine the apt-get update |
| 17:34.04 | codekK | thanks a lot |
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| 17:34.54 | jacksmithz | yeah |
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| 17:34.59 | somiaj | codekK: /msg dpkg oboslete (you can make sure you don't have any packages left from there and posibally fix any libs that got messed up while having that) |
| 17:35.13 | jacksmithz | but it crashes in non-rescue mode when I login |
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| 17:35.21 | somiaj | jacksmithz: do you have a display manager/gui? |
| 17:35.37 | somiaj | jacksmithz: maybe try to disable that and see if you can at least get to a console. Then figure out the graphics issue for the display |
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| 17:36.07 | jacksmithz | allright, thanks |
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| 17:36.40 | awc737 | who wanted to see my Xorg.0.log |
| 17:37.02 | awc737 | and where do I get to modify the intel graphic driver options |
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| 17:37.06 | somiaj | awc737: paste it at paste.debian.net |
| 17:37.28 | awc737 | http://paste.laravel.com/gLm |
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| 17:40.56 | somiaj | awc737: lspci (What intel chipset do you haev again)? |
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| 17:41.19 | codekK | somiaj, with aptitude search ~o i see some packages (more than 10) this is a obsolete packages no? to remove it i need to do it manually with apt-get purge, no?? |
| 17:41.48 | awc737 | somiaj, intel hd4000 |
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| 17:42.56 | _sYnfo | How would you test how certain program (say apache) resonds to no free disk space without interupting other services? Does chrooting it into its own small partition and filling it up? Is there a way to test this while it's running? |
| 17:43.11 | _sYnfo | *Does...Sounds like a sensible idea |
| 17:43.45 | awc737 | how can I configure Xorg |
| 17:44.11 | jordanm | _sYnfo, link a file it writes to /dev/full? |
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| 17:44.24 | jordanm | awc737, usually doesn't require configuration these days |
| 17:44.30 | _sYnfo | jordanm: That's and interesting idea |
| 17:44.34 | _sYnfo | *an |
| 17:44.36 | ksk | there is /dev/full? luzl |
| 17:44.51 | zamba | i need to get the file tg3_tso.bin.. what can i do? |
| 17:45.17 | somiaj | codekK: that means those packages are no longer available in your current sources.list |
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| 17:45.22 | awc737 | do you see anything that could be wrong somiaj |
| 17:45.27 | jordanm | ,file tg3_tso.bin |
| 17:45.33 | judd | Search for tg3_tso.bin in squeeze/i386: firmware-linux-nonfree: lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso.bin |
| 17:45.37 | somiaj | codekK: that could be that you installed them from somewhere else, or it could be that your haven't upgraded to the newest packages aailable to you from debian |
| 17:45.39 | jordanm | zamba, ^ |
| 17:45.45 | zamba | yeah, but i need just the file.. i don't want a deb package |
| 17:45.50 | somiaj | awc737: it seems to load the intel driver just fine, nothing poped out saying this is the issue |
| 17:45.53 | zamba | i need to install debian and i need just the file |
| 17:45.57 | somiaj | awc737: I was wondering if the modelines could be the issue |
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| 17:46.15 | somiaj | awc737: my next suggestion would be try to use xrandr or xvidtune and see if changing the resolution/display fixes it |
| 17:46.21 | codekK | somiaj, aham, and its bad? :S |
| 17:46.23 | jordanm | !tell zamba about installer firmware |
| 17:46.32 | somiaj | codekK: it really depends on the package. |
| 17:46.46 | somiaj | codekK: if it is a core libary, yes it is bad that it is obsolete and not installed from your offical debian repo |
| 17:47.00 | somiaj | codekK: if it is some untility you like but doens't come from debian, it is totally explainable why it is there |
| 17:47.06 | codekK | hmmm can i paste the output and u can see it? |
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| 17:47.26 | somiaj | codekK: note all that does is give installed packages which the version is not installable via your current cache (which is genrated with apt-get update from your sources) |
| 17:48.19 | somiaj | codekK: I would first upgrade to the current security/package versions in what ever debian ersion you are running, then try that command again. And have to ask yourself on a package per package, is this a package that got pulled in from that PPA, etc |
| 17:48.45 | codekK | i do a update, upgrade, dist-upgrade all days |
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| 17:49.15 | codekK | i just did too |
| 17:49.17 | somiaj | codekK: so then look at the package version installed see the package version you can get from debian. If they differ it was probabaly pulled in from some unoffical source |
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| 17:49.30 | codekK | i have this http://paste.debian.net/plain/232004 |
| 17:49.31 | somiaj | codekK: if it is a package you cannot get from debian, then ask yourself if you want it or not. |
| 17:49.39 | codekK | im using wheezy |
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| 17:49.46 | codekK | where i can see the pacakges and versions? |
| 17:49.59 | codekK | packages.debian.org? |
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| 17:50.23 | somiaj | codekK: apt-cache search <string> and apt-cache show package_name shows you what is available via your sources.list |
| 17:50.28 | somiaj | codekK: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:50.55 | codekK | wheezy |
| 17:50.59 | codekK | testing |
| 17:51.30 | somiaj | codekK: seems some of the packages are just left behind from squeeze would be my guess. again this is a package by package basis |
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| 17:51.40 | awc737 | somiaj, lxrandr? |
| 17:51.44 | somiaj | codekK: the broadcom package you may have compiled yourself for the network card. Proabaly needed |
| 17:51.49 | codekK | y |
| 17:51.49 | somiaj | awc737: that is a gui front end ot xrandr |
| 17:51.50 | codekK | i do it |
| 17:51.55 | martincz | Hi. Could you please advice me on fonts? I installed Tahoma because the default font (gnome) looked like crap. Now Tahoma size 8 only looks good when smoothing is disabled. But now the rest of the fonts look like crap (for example text in web browser, mono space font in IDE etc.). What am I doing wrong? Do I need to patch the libcairo library as some people mention in discussion forums? |
| 17:51.59 | codekK | i compiled it when i install debian for wierelss |
| 17:52.08 | somiaj | codekK: the 2.6.32 linux image was the default kernel installed from squeeze |
| 17:52.24 | somiaj | codekK: the dhcp3- are transition packages and can safely be removed |
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| 17:52.35 | wsky | codekK: alternativly you can run some ui like aptitude or synaptic to browse you packages more comfortably or somethin |
| 17:52.41 | somiaj | codekK: i'm unsure why you have obsolete berkly v4.6, 4.7 databases |
| 17:52.42 | codekK | and the linux image? can remove it? |
| 17:52.45 | awc737 | somiaj, I forgot to mention this is a strange res laptop, 1792x768 |
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| 17:53.09 | awc737 | could simply having lxrandr installed help? it didn't seemto have any configs |
| 17:53.11 | somiaj | awc737: yea try some other resolutions see if that helps. Again I was wanting you to change things around, maybe the modelines are just slighlty off |
| 17:53.32 | somiaj | awc737: lxrandr is a front end to xrandr which allows you to change monintors/resolutions on the fly |
| 17:53.53 | somiaj | codekK: if you aren't using that kernel image any more and are happy with the image you have (and don't want that as a backup) then yes |
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| 17:54.27 | somiaj | codekK: but ya got it now, kinda just ask yourself what is this package and why do I not have the version from wheezy (usually there is an answer) |
| 17:54.33 | iam_ | Hey guys, has anyone dabbled with hostapd? |
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| 17:54.39 | somiaj | codekK: also with libaries sometimes 'aptitude why package_name' is useful |
| 17:54.56 | codekK | somiaj, aham |
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| 17:55.52 | iam_ | I have successfully setup hostapd, dhcp, and bridged my two interfaces eth0 and wlan0. Everything works fine, but I can't seem to reach anything but the server running hostapd using the soft AP. I can give you outputs if anyone would be interested in taking a look :( |
| 17:55.57 | Gusteru | anyone can help me please ? |
| 17:55.58 | Gusteru | d@irc:~$ unzip doc.zip |
| 17:55.58 | Gusteru | Archive: doc.zip |
| 17:55.58 | Gusteru | [doc.zip] IMG_1257.JPG password: |
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| 17:56.22 | Gusteru | I don't remember my doc.zip password ... anyone can help me with this please ? |
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| 17:57.38 | codekK | somiaj, the uname -r output this --> 3.2.0-4-amd64, and the package linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 its not a backup made by me, then i can remove it safely? |
| 17:57.43 | somiaj | Gusteru: looks like you are gonna have to go find some zip password cracker |
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| 17:58.07 | somiaj | codekK: yea you can safely remove it. It was the kernel installed when you installed squeeze (Before you upgraded to wheezy) |
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| 17:58.28 | Gusteru | somiaj I find the zip password cracker ... but need 1-2 years to recover the password :( |
| 17:58.43 | codekK | somiaj, yes :) |
| 17:59.04 | somiaj | Gusteru: well that is how encryption passwords work. You can't dencrypt it without the password. If you forgot it you have to crack it |
| 17:59.36 | somiaj | seems there might be some tools if you know the program that created the zip to speed it up. Also if you have some idea what the password may be, that can speed it up to |
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| 18:02.32 | Gusteru | somiaj but need 1-2 years to crack it with brute-force |
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| 18:03.17 | codekK | somiaj, when i do aptitude why xulrunner-16.0 i get this output iceweasel Depende xulrunner-16.0 (>= 16.0.2-1), so i should not to remove it ? |
| 18:03.20 | somiaj | codekK: the packages I would be most worried about are those berkly db libs and the kerbos libs -- try to identify where they came from and why they are there and not from the wheezy debian repo |
| 18:03.24 | doug1 | Packaging question.... if the control file defines several packages, is there a way to build just a specific one? |
| 18:03.36 | somiaj | codekK: are you uinsg iceweasel from expermential? |
| 18:03.39 | codekK | yes |
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| 18:03.53 | codekK | or so i think |
| 18:03.53 | codekK | xd |
| 18:04.08 | kyconquers | how can you set a wallpaper to be a gif? |
| 18:04.15 | kyconquers | *an animated gif? |
| 18:04.47 | somiaj | codekK: seems the version is probabaly upgraded and you need to reinstall the newest iceweasel and xulrunner from experimential |
| 18:05.15 | somiaj | codekK: note in general be careful with experiemental packages and wheezy (They are built against unstable not testing. Right now it won't be a big issue, after wheezy releases it will be) |
| 18:05.43 | somiaj | kyconquers: not sure if they can be animated. But there are lots of tools. I know feh can set wallpapers and view gifs, not sure if you can put the animated gif in the wallpaper though |
| 18:05.47 | codekK | hmm and u recommend me to remove experimental repos? |
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| 18:06.08 | kyconquers | thanks somiaj |
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| 18:07.07 | somiaj | codekK: but then you can't get the most recent iceweasel. experiemntal should be pinned low enough it isn't going to be an issue. I'm just saying in the future if you want to install the newest iceweasle, installing form experimental on wheezy is a bad idea |
| 18:07.28 | somiaj | codekK: but yes right now that is the suggested method on mozilla.debian.org to get a newer version than 10.0 (I belive that is what is in wheezy by default) |
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| 18:09.04 | codekK | somiaj, and if i update my system to sid? i get the newest pacakges no? newest iceweasel than 16.x ? |
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| 18:09.56 | ksk | ,versions iceweasel |
| 18:09.57 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.6esr-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.12esr-1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; experimental: |
| 18:09.58 | judd | 18.0.1-1 |
| 18:09.58 | codekK | in unstable is the 10.x version too of iceweasel |
| 18:09.59 | somiaj | codekK: my suggestion is you do not know debian well enough to run sid |
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| 18:10.27 | somiaj | codekK: once wheezy is released there will be backports made (that is the prefered method) |
| 18:10.41 | somiaj | codekK: so that is my suggestion. Stabalize with wheezy and install backports |
| 18:10.57 | somiaj | codekK: if you want to run sid go for it. (that is my prefered debian version) |
| 18:11.09 | ksk | isnt tehre a repo from mozilla for debian? 3rd party yes, but still better then going to sid for a browser.. |
| 18:11.20 | somiaj | and yea, sid is slugish right now in that until wheezy releases it won't be getting many new packages either. |
| 18:11.31 | codekK | I agree with you I have not sufficient knowledge of debian |
| 18:11.39 | somiaj | ksk: debian.mozilla.net which suggests installing the experiemental package on wheezy (but backports it for squeeze) |
| 18:11.48 | codekK | i just want a estable debian with most update packages :s |
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| 18:12.03 | thisboy | Hello. I'm running this simple HTML+CSS+jQuery website using nginx. It works fine here from my laptop and also from my shell server. But when attempting to access it using mobile, the server won't respond at all. I tried hosting the same site elsewhere, and accessing it through mobile there works just fine. Any idea where to look for errors? |
| 18:12.19 | somiaj | codekK: in general 'most up to date' is not needed. It is a few things you want (and alywas is just a few things) newer than the frozen stable |
| 18:12.34 | somiaj | codekK: that is what backports are for. But until wheezy is offically released there won't be any backports made for it |
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| 18:12.56 | ksk | thisboy: ping it. try connecting with netcat/telnet to port 80 |
| 18:13.00 | ksk | see what happens |
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| 18:13.23 | thisboy | ksk: i can connect just fine except from mobile |
| 18:13.31 | codekK | Aham and how i can use backports? |
| 18:13.37 | codekK | its a repos no? |
| 18:13.38 | ksk | !tell codekK about backports |
| 18:14.02 | ksk | yes it is, see the bots query |
| 18:14.15 | codekK | ksk, ok thanks and sorry for my bad english :( |
| 18:14.18 | wsky | codekK: backports.debian.org has a short tutorial of backports usage |
| 18:14.18 | somiaj | codekK: wheezy-backports will be an offical debian repo (once wheezy is released and backports start being made) |
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| 18:14.45 | somiaj | codekK: right now in wheezy such a thing isn't set up -- in general a backport is a newer package compiled against the core libaries of the current version |
| 18:14.57 | ksk | codekK: you are welcome |
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| 18:15.13 | codekK | okey i understand, but i then i cant use it on wheezy??? |
| 18:15.17 | codekK | or i dont understand as well? |
| 18:15.40 | somiaj | I'm saying my suggestion is stabalize with wheezy (you are kinda stuck with the versions in wheezy right now) |
| 18:15.59 | somiaj | but once wheezy is released, lots of popular software will have newer versions avaiable via the backport system |
| 18:16.07 | somiaj | and if a backport isn't made for you, you can learn to make your own |
| 18:16.36 | somiaj | again this is gonna take time, it maybe a few months after wheezy is releasd for backports to start being made |
| 18:17.06 | codekK | i dont understand "stabalize with wheezy" |
| 18:17.15 | wsky | so. when will you release wheezy? this month? |
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| 18:17.45 | somiaj | wsky: when it's ready of course....it is getting closer, next few months, but no set date yet |
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| 18:17.59 | somiaj | codekK: wheezy is frozen and in the process of becoming the new debian stable |
| 18:18.00 | wsky | i think squeeze was out february 2 years ago |
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| 18:18.26 | somiaj | codekK: stabalize with wheezy means stick with wheezy but stay with it as stable once it is release (i.e. make sure you have 'wheezy' instead of 'testing' in your sources.list) |
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| 18:18.54 | somiaj | so basically run debian stable....the backports are ways to get newer packages in debian stable |
| 18:18.57 | wsky | i don't get why i have 7.0 in /etc/debian_version on my sid system |
| 18:19.20 | codekK | somiaj, more newer than testing version? |
| 18:19.29 | somiaj | wsky: because usually testing/unstable have lots of overlap so lots of times things like that get set in sid and filter to testing |
| 18:19.31 | codekK | or same version? |
| 18:19.41 | somiaj | codekK: backports are usually made from the testing repo |
| 18:19.47 | codekK | yes i read it |
| 18:19.49 | blackmirroxx1 | hi |
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| 18:20.06 | somiaj | codekK: rare cases (such as mozilla.debian.net) sometimes make it from a newer version than is in testing |
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| 18:20.51 | codekK | So what u recommend me is that i wait until wheezy is stable, no? |
| 18:20.59 | ksk | iirc, there is a ubuntu/debian package one can install in userspace? you will have to trust mozilla for updates then, but.. |
| 18:21.03 | somiaj | no I recomended you stabalize with wheezy |
| 18:21.09 | codekK | :( |
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| 18:21.41 | codekK | editing the source list? changing testing for wheezy? |
| 18:21.41 | somiaj | ksk: a debian package? Or do you mean just grab the static linked binary tar and extract it in $HOME? |
| 18:22.07 | somiaj | codekK: page up and try to understand what I said. Yes you want 'wheezy' as opposed to 'testing' in your sources.list |
| 18:22.31 | somiaj | wheezy is the offical code name, testing is mearly a link. Right now that link points at wheezy. Once wheezy becomse stable that link will point at the new testing |
| 18:22.31 | ksk | somiaj: oh just a binary tar. but yes |
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| 18:22.52 | somiaj | ksk: yea that works well, I suggest that to people as well. (: |
| 18:23.01 | somiaj | ksk: I was just confused when you said debian package...haha |
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| 18:23.31 | codekK | somiaj, aham i understand u now |
| 18:23.40 | ksk | somiaj: just bad memories. using chrome now ;) |
| 18:23.46 | codekK | somiaj, and u recommend me to remove the experimental repos? |
| 18:24.15 | somiaj | codekK: eventally, but right now that is the suggested method to install iceweasel 18.0 |
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| 18:24.32 | somiaj | codekK: but once wheezy stabalizes, yes do not use testing, unstable or experimental packages in stable |
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| 18:25.17 | codekK | only backports |
| 18:25.18 | codekK | no? |
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| 18:26.31 | somiaj | yes wheezy-backports are packages built for wheezy |
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| 18:26.36 | somiaj | so they can be installed safely |
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| 18:29.11 | somiaj | well I guess will be. Note things take time. So it may be a while until wheezy-backports starts to get newer packages. |
| 18:29.27 | somiaj | again if you want to just run sid if you want the newest and greatest debian. Be prepared to fix things when they break |
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| 18:33.40 | martincz | Hi. Could you please advice me on fonts? I installed Tahoma because the default font (gnome) looked like crap. Now Tahoma size 8 only looks good when smoothing is disabled. But now the rest of the fonts look like crap (for example text in web browser, mono space font in IDE etc.). What am I doing wrong? Do I need to patch the libcairo library as some people mention in discussion forums? |
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| 18:34.23 | nkuttler | martincz: ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
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| 18:35.19 | martincz | nkuttler, I do have this package... |
| 18:35.38 | martincz | People say that fonts look better in ubuntu |
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| 18:35.55 | nkuttler | oh well, i don't use gnome. my fonts are crisp |
| 18:36.06 | somiaj | I don't use gnome and I think my fonts are just fine |
| 18:36.08 | nkuttler | i'm looking at terminus all day anyway |
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| 18:38.05 | kyconquers | I have a hp probook 6460b on debian testing. The network settings does not seem to allow wireless networks. Is wireless supported for my laptop on debian? |
| 18:38.29 | somiaj | kyconquers: what chipset is the wireless card? |
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| 18:38.38 | somiaj | kyconquers: what network settings do not allow wireless networks? |
| 18:38.41 | jordanm | lscpi |
| 18:38.44 | korhojoa | kyconquers: use lspci |
| 18:38.45 | martincz | i just dont get it... why is it always such a mess with fonts in linux? |
| 18:38.55 | somiaj | kyconquers: /sbin/ifconfig -a (do you see a wlan0 or a device that may be your wireless device)? |
| 18:39.20 | nkuttler | martincz: i'd blame gnome |
| 18:39.32 | martincz | ok so what window manager should i try? :) |
| 18:39.50 | nkuttler | martincz: it depends. what do you expect your gui to do? |
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| 18:40.02 | somiaj | the fonts should be independent of gnome. |
| 18:40.04 | martincz | i am kind of advanced user |
| 18:40.09 | nkuttler | martincz: i'm very happy with openbox, but i like a minimal setup |
| 18:40.19 | martincz | but i also want web browsing |
| 18:40.22 | kyconquers | somiaj, no only a eth0 and lo. Does this mean that the laptop doesn't have a wireless card? |
| 18:40.24 | somiaj | I like fvwm here because of it's configurability |
| 18:40.25 | nkuttler | somiaj: he turend on "smoothing" |
| 18:40.32 | nkuttler | whatever that is.. |
| 18:40.48 | somiaj | kyconquers: no it just means that your wireless card is not detected by default |
| 18:41.08 | somiaj | kyconquers: what version of debian? If it is squeeze it could be one of two things. 1) missing firmware, 2) need a newer kernel (and possibaly firmware) |
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| 18:41.22 | somiaj | kyconquers: but until you tell us what wireless chipset you are using we are blind |
| 18:41.25 | wooster | what's the fastest debian mirror on the west coast of the USA? |
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| 18:41.30 | wooster | im doing an install so i can't run apt-spy |
| 18:41.39 | korhojoa | somiaj: < kyconquers> I have a hp probook 6460b on debian testing. |
| 18:41.50 | martincz | on windows xp i have cleartype and everything looks just great |
| 18:42.14 | somiaj | korhojoa: that is not a wireless chipset, and sometimes the tech specs on laptop web sites (not that i'm going to look it up for him) do not give the chipset |
| 18:42.50 | korhojoa | somiaj: kyconquers: what version of debian? |
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| 18:44.05 | kyconquers | korhojoa, http://pastebin.com/CxruTPyC |
| 18:44.06 | somiaj | wooster: you can try cdn.debian.net -- it gives you the closest decent mirror (may not be the fastest but lots of times the bottle neck is not the mirror speed) |
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| 18:44.37 | babilen | kyconquers: Did you install firmware-iwlwifi? |
| 18:44.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell kyconquers about iwlwifi |
| 18:44.57 | korhojoa | ahh. he's got a centrino. |
| 18:45.26 | kyconquers | babilen, I did not, I just install debian and a few elective packages. |
| 18:45.59 | somiaj | kyconquers: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi -- and looks like it isn't supported by default in squeeze and you'll need a newer kernel/firmware from squeeze-backports |
| 18:46.11 | babilen | kyconquers: That chipset should be well supported and work without a problem -- Please enable contrib and non-free in your sources.list (see "/msg dpkg make wheezy sources.list" if you need help) run "apt-get update" and then "apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi" to install it. |
| 18:46.29 | somiaj | and yea if you have wheezy, you are just missing the firmware |
| 18:46.33 | babilen | somiaj: Didn't kyconquers just say that (s)he is using wheezy? (testing) |
| 18:46.39 | kyconquers | somiaj, I think I am on wheezy. |
| 18:46.47 | babilen | "I think" :) |
| 18:46.49 | somiaj | babilen: I must have lost it in looking up the wiki page |
| 18:47.02 | somiaj | ahh there it is yea, wheezy. |
| 18:47.04 | babilen | Well, lets check :) |
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| 18:47.09 | kyconquers | babilen, config and non-free are already enabled. |
| 18:47.09 | somiaj | I just did |
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| 18:47.31 | babilen | kyconquers: Could you run "cat /etc/debian_version" and "dpkg -l apt multiarch-support libc6" and show us that on http://paste.debian.net along with /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 18:48.05 | babilen | kyconquers: Ah, well .. I guess that is not needed. Just install the firmware and you should be good. |
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| 18:48.34 | somiaj | yea the firmware should be enough. note 'dmesg | grep firmware' and you should most likely see and error about not able to load firmware |
| 18:48.47 | kyconquers | babilen, 7.0 |
| 18:48.50 | somiaj | which will jsut reinforce all you need is the firmware to get it up and running |
| 18:49.04 | kyconquers | so just that iwlwifi? |
| 18:49.22 | babilen | kyconquers: do you have an intel processor? |
| 18:50.04 | kyconquers | babilen, I'm not sure, I just got it from a friend yesterday. |
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| 18:50.24 | kyconquers | somiaj, yes that command gave an error about the package being missing |
| 18:50.38 | babilen | kyconquers: What does "grep model /proc/cpuinfo|sort|uniq" give you? |
| 18:50.39 | somiaj | kyconquers: you cold also read the wiki linnk I sent you. It gives step by step instructions so babilen and I don't have to repeate them to you |
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| 18:51.23 | kyconquers | babilen, Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2520M CPU @ 2.50GHz |
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| 18:51.29 | korhojoa | babilen: according to lspci he's got an intel chipset |
| 18:51.30 | babilen | guesses that the chances are high for an Intel given that it is using Centrino |
| 18:51.32 | korhojoa | so probably, yeah |
| 18:51.40 | babilen | korhojoa: I haven't checked that, but thanks :) |
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| 18:52.50 | babilen | kyconquers: Ok, install "iucode-tool" and "intel-microcode" as well. That will upgrade the microcode (think firmware for processors) of your CPU if it is outdated. Old microcode could lead to hard-to-debug errors/bugs and everybody should have that installed. (or amd64-microcode for AMD processors) |
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| 18:52.57 | kyconquers | I installed the firmware-iwlwifi package but still get this error http://pastebin.com/SQX5JDyz |
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| 18:53.33 | somiaj | hmm, maybe I should install the microcode, didn't realize that was important |
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| 18:53.46 | babilen | kyconquers: You will, most likely, have to reboot. You could try a "modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi" but that might not be enough. (that would reload the module) |
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| 18:54.13 | somiaj | guess it is non-free so it isn't installed by default. Installing it makes stallman cry |
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| 18:54.47 | babilen | somiaj: Most firmware/bios upgrades contain new microcode, but those packages allow you to have the current version if you didn't flash the most recent firmware or if your vendor does not offer updates. |
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| 18:55.33 | babilen | somiaj: It should really be installed by default. CPUs with old microcode are simply broken. |
| 18:55.40 | somiaj | babilen: yea I usually don't flash/upgrade my bios unless I run across an issue. |
| 18:55.41 | kyconquers | it is showing loaded firmware version 17.168.5.3 build 42301 now. I am going to restart my laptop and try to detect the wireless again. |
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| 18:56.19 | somiaj | babilen: yea, firmware is a strange thing. If it is on the processor/chip is is okay. But if it is provided as a piece of software it is now non-free and frowned apon |
| 18:56.24 | babilen | somiaj: But yeah, it is /very/ sad that firmware and microcode (in the end hardware) forces us to install non-free software. I wouldn't mind to have some form of distinction between firmware-type-non-free and non-free-software |
| 18:56.43 | somiaj | babilen: I really wish they would get over that. I think firmware should be considered part of the hardware and not be a part of the 'freeness' of the software |
| 18:56.45 | babilen | somiaj: I was about to say exactly the same thing "If it is on the ..." :) |
| 18:56.52 | babilen | Exactly! |
| 18:57.13 | somiaj | since providing it as a binary file is much easier for everyone. Yet the free world hates it |
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| 18:57.22 | somiaj | i.e. I'd rather just update a file then flash my bios |
| 18:58.22 | babilen | either way: People of #debian: Install the microcode packages for your CPU! Intel → iucode-tool intel-microcode (wheezy) microcode.ctl intel-microcode (squeeze) AMD → amd64-microcode |
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| 18:58.52 | somiaj | yea the whole idea that some hardware is 'better' (or free) because it puts its firmware on the chip and doesn't just distrubite a binary file to me is just silly. |
| 18:58.55 | kyconquers | It Works! Thank you babilen, somiaj, and korhojoa |
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| 18:59.17 | somiaj | babilen: thanks for the pointer |
| 18:59.23 | babilen | dpkg: congratulate kyconquers |
| 18:59.24 | dpkg | Huzzah kyconquers, you did it! |
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| 19:00.14 | babilen | somiaj: No problem. Ever since I read Henrique's comment on this on debian-devel I try to spread the word. |
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| 19:01.32 | miss0r | LtL: I was just wondering if you have had an epiphany since we last spoke? |
| 19:01.44 | korhojoa | I wonder if there's any updated microcode for my cpu. |
| 19:01.45 | korhojoa | model name : Mobile Pentium MMX |
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| 19:01.59 | babilen | somiaj: <20121105201253.GA18888@khazad-dum.debian.net> and other |
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| 19:03.13 | babilen | korhojoa: Check "grep microcode /proc/cpuinfo" before and after installing the appropriate microcode packages. (and a reboot) -- It it changes you have a new one! (and if it doesn't you know that you will never have outdated microcode) |
| 19:03.58 | korhojoa | babilen: there's no microcode part in cpuinfo for me |
| 19:04.05 | babilen | http://lists.debian.org/<20121105201253.GA18888@khazad-dum.debian.net> has some information (and a thread discussing this) -- It came up more than once on debian-devel, but this thread is probably best. |
| 19:04.31 | babilen | korhojoa: Oh, I wasn't aware of that. |
| 19:04.43 | johnfg | Anyone have any ideas on how I can get a terminal to open on the gnome3 desktop in wheezy with a mouseclick? nautilus-open-terminal, apparently needs a window open to offer it. |
| 19:04.59 | johnfg | Kinda defeats the point. |
| 19:06.17 | korhojoa | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/232028/ |
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| 19:09.09 | babilen | korhojoa: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/ has microcode files for all mobile pentium processors. I'd say: Install it! The worst thing that could happen is that nothing changes /now/ |
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| 19:09.58 | korhojoa | babilen: heh. okay. if this bricks it, i'm gonna be sad |
| 19:10.10 | babilen | It will not™ |
| 19:10.16 | jacksmithz | does the debian kernel have any differences from the mainline kernel beside the firmware modifications? |
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| 19:10.49 | babilen | (This statement does not imply any liability I take for damage to your hardware by following or not following my advice.) |
| 19:11.06 | babilen | jacksmithz: Plenty |
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| 19:11.55 | jacksmithz | is there a comprehensive easy to read list of them somewhere (i find the changelogs very hard to understand)? |
| 19:11.57 | babilen | jacksmithz: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/kernel/dists/sid/linux/debian/patches/ (for example) |
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| 19:12.42 | eoliva | I'm having problems with Intel Series 7/C210 chipset and my sound is not working, I tried a lot of things: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=98cdb628090699b07d5eea844b19c725668f7706 |
| 19:12.44 | korhojoa | babilen: I couldn't find any microcode for it :| there's a Frequency ID utility, but no microcode on downloadcenter.intel.com |
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| 19:12.53 | tremon | jacksmithz: just fyi, the firmware modifications (I presume you mean the kernel/blob split) is upstream too |
| 19:13.01 | socomm | How can I list metapackages? |
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| 19:13.19 | socomm | I want to see all metapackages available for install |
| 19:13.23 | DarthExpeditor | Anyone know how to image an SD Card without the image being the same size as the card? |
| 19:13.32 | jacksmithz | allright thats good to know |
| 19:13.36 | Towzzer | darth- what? |
| 19:13.44 | Towzzer | like if you have an SD card that is 10GB and the contents are 5GB |
| 19:13.46 | Towzzer | you would like 5GB? |
| 19:13.52 | DarthExpeditor | correct |
| 19:13.59 | Brigo | DarthExpeditor: copy it and resize it. |
| 19:14.08 | Towzzer | you need to work on the filesystem level, DD does not understand whether a block is filled with valid data |
| 19:14.24 | bir | \ |
| 19:14.40 | Towzzer | slash indeed |
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| 19:14.57 | alfplayer | Brigo: resize it first |
| 19:14.58 | DarthExpeditor | Its a raspberry pi card |
| 19:15.15 | Brigo | alfplayer: good point :-) |
| 19:15.16 | DarthExpeditor | I want to copy my card so a friend up north can download it. |
| 19:15.40 | Towzzer | dd it, then using a heavy compression |
| 19:15.43 | jacksmithz | babilen: I'm not smart enough to understand the link you provided :( is there a different more easy to read source for debian-specific kernel modifications/features? |
| 19:15.46 | Towzzer | like lzma |
| 19:16.00 | DarthExpeditor | Hmmm.... Think that will work? |
| 19:16.20 | socomm | DarthExpeditor: should |
| 19:16.26 | DarthExpeditor | kk |
| 19:16.26 | tremon | DarthExpeditor: you want a filesystem clone, not a disk duplicate then. You may want to see if fstrim/sparse copy does what you want |
| 19:16.29 | DarthExpeditor | I will try it. |
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| 19:16.38 | DarthExpeditor | k |
| 19:16.46 | DarthExpeditor | Thanks for the advice guys |
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| 19:16.55 | alexwaters | will I notice much difference moving to debian 6 from ubuntu cli? |
| 19:17.10 | alexwaters | doing python web development^ |
| 19:17.29 | tremon | alexwaters: depends on the ubuntu version, debian 6 is two years old |
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| 19:17.56 | alexwaters | debian 6.06 from ubuntu 12.04 lts |
| 19:18.17 | alfplayer | DarthExpeditor: clonezilla does this kind of resizing, but i don't know if it works if one of the storage devices is not available |
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| 19:20.26 | tremon | alexwaters: squeeze has python 2.6 and python 3.1, if you need newer then you can either wait for wheezy (debian 7) to be released or run testing for a few months |
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| 19:21.29 | babilen | jacksmithz: Well, the changelog and the release notes for point releases. Apart from that: What do you want to know? |
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| 19:24.06 | jacksmithz | nothing actually :) thanks for the help |
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| 19:33.33 | pmo | i was wondering, im running wheezy and i want to stay on testing.. does the old way of switching out the codename with "testing" still work to get it rolling? |
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| 19:34.19 | tremon | it won't start rolling again until after the release of wheezy |
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| 19:34.38 | pmo | yes but i mean stay on testing ( all codenames ) |
| 19:35.10 | pmo | so like when sid is testing, it will use that instead of going stable |
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| 19:36.08 | WilDFuzzY | Hello, setup: debian 6.0.6, using samba only, I have mounted a samba share as a local mount(mnt) so anonymous users can access the share via a athenticated mount(redirect), question: when using a mount redirect to a share on another machine how many samba connections does it use ? I am hoping debian handles multiple access but only one share, if this correct? |
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| 19:36.24 | tremon | sid will never be testing, next release will be jessie. But yes, what you want still works |
| 19:36.37 | pmo | then jessie my bad |
| 19:36.49 | pmo | ok thanks tremon :) |
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| 19:37.53 | babilen | pmo: If you use "testing" you will stay on testing (jessie after the release) -- Expect a /very/ bumpy ride directly after the release for some weeks/months. You've been warned! |
| 19:38.16 | pmo | babilen: i like bumpy :) |
| 19:38.31 | babilen | (I will remember that when you come here for help then) |
| 19:38.38 | babilen | ;) |
| 19:38.44 | pmo | i will not come for help :P |
| 19:38.50 | pmo | i have a sid box too :P |
| 19:39.25 | pmo | sid is quite "stable" |
| 19:39.56 | tremon | remembers libc breaking on amd64 some 8 months ago |
| 19:40.02 | pmo | + should it go wrong i dualboot, not hard to wait it out :) |
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| 19:41.10 | pmo | also i do backups |
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| 19:43.03 | Sailor_Moon | hi all; is any (possibily, very old) version of Debian Gnu/linux for old PC with 16 mb RAM? |
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| 19:47.56 | tremon | Sailor_Moon: you would need to go very far back. IIRC, even the etch installer wanted 64MB ram |
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| 19:48.48 | babilen | slink! |
| 19:50.05 | Sailor_Moon | tremon: thx |
| 19:50.09 | babilen | Sailor_Moon: Something like emdebian might also be an option, but I guess that the processor is equally old. What is it? And what could that be used for? |
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| 19:51.07 | Sailor_Moon | processor 486, used for elinks web browser, reading manga, chatting... |
| 19:51.36 | Sailor_Moon | babilen: emdebian? |
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| 19:51.53 | ZekeS | You don't run into ram issues looking at today's scans? Interesting |
| 19:52.09 | babilen | Hmm, not sure but you definitely need an older version of Debian. Todays packages all target 586 ... |
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| 19:52.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell Sailor_Moon -about emdebian |
| 19:53.35 | Sailor_Moon | babilen dpkg: thanks |
| 19:53.45 | babilen | Sailor_Moon: dpkg is our bot :) |
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| 19:54.15 | Sailor_Moon | I quess:) when I say "thanks" to dpkg, - it was a joke :) |
| 19:54.24 | jhutchins_wk | Why do people think web browsing is a task for low-powered systems? |
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| 19:54.44 | tremon | they've never heard of flash? |
| 19:54.46 | Sailor_Moon | it is a good task, succesfull |
| 19:54.57 | Sailor_Moon | tremon: I not need flash |
| 19:55.13 | Sailor_Moon | :) |
| 19:55.36 | Sailor_Moon | can I ask question about one debian package? |
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| 19:55.44 | jhutchins_wk | Still, rendering web pages requires a CPU, GPU, and RAM. |
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| 19:56.15 | Sailor_Moon | about elinks? - it hangs on some pages with subdomain, "m.vk.com" for example |
| 19:56.30 | Sailor_Moon | jhu: I use text-browsers :) |
| 19:56.32 | fignew | Has anyone seen a situation where a daemon will run as UID -1 ? |
| 19:56.48 | zykotick9 | Sailor_Moon: i use elinks on a regular basis, do you have an example site that this happen on? |
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| 19:57.01 | Sailor_Moon | fignew: what a cute situation :) fantastic ) |
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| 19:57.15 | tremon | fignew: that a sign error |
| 19:57.35 | tremon | needs an 's |
| 19:57.42 | Sailor_Moon | zykotick9: m.vk.com google.com (a few sites I forget) |
| 19:57.43 | fignew | tremon: ? |
| 19:58.04 | zykotick9 | Sailor_Moon: i'm not going to hunt for one, so best of luck. |
| 19:58.12 | tremon | fignew: the nobody user has uid (unsigned) -1 |
| 19:58.44 | fignew | tremon: ahh, good to know. thanks |
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| 20:00.27 | ellic | .steams |
| 20:00.34 | Sailor_Moon | zykotick9: few sites with .com and few sites with subdomains |
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| 20:01.25 | Sailor_Moon | maybe, it is DNS-elinks problem? |
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| 20:05.54 | Towzzer | sailor moon! |
| 20:06.03 | Sailor_Moon | pong |
| 20:06.06 | Sailor_Moon | :) |
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| 20:06.58 | Sailor_Moon | towzzer: I listen you |
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| 20:08.33 | Towzzer | I remember see some comic about sailor moon on the internet |
| 20:08.39 | Towzzer | very graphic stuff |
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| 20:09.02 | Sailor_Moon | :) |
| 20:09.18 | iam_ | Guys, I set up a soft-AP using hostapd and bridged my interfaces. I can connect, I get DHCP assigned just fine, but I cann't access any other system on the network or the internet. Any help would be great. I think it's a routing issue but I have gone full retard trying to figure this out. |
| 20:09.28 | iam_ | TL;DR - Need help :( |
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| 20:16.25 | iam_ | Anyone? |
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| 20:17.06 | zykotick9 | iam_: the TL;DR probably didn't encourage anyone to help... just speculating. |
| 20:17.12 | iam_ | :( |
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| 20:17.50 | iam_ | Well I can give more details in case anyone is willing to help solve a problem |
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| 20:18.19 | Towzzer | I don't even understand your network setup |
| 20:18.55 | iam_ | Modem/Router ----> Server [eth0 + wlan0] ----> clients on wireless |
| 20:18.58 | WilDFuzzY | any1 any idea abt my question? |
| 20:19.01 | iam_ | If that helps. |
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| 20:19.26 | Sailor_Moon | iam_: nise network |
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| 20:19.33 | Sailor_Moon | *nice |
| 20:19.39 | iam_ | :) |
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| 20:19.48 | Towzzer | are you routing between the two networks? |
| 20:19.51 | klakier | Hello. |
| 20:19.59 | zamba | how can i check if i have physical link on a NIC? |
| 20:20.10 | Towzzer | ethtool <nic> |
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| 20:23.54 | iam_ | interfaces - http://pastie.org/6074076, hostapd.conf - http://pastie.org/6074086, routes - http://pastie.org/6074091 , ifconfig - http://pastie.org/6074096 | I can connect to the AP, but can't ping any other system on the network or the internet. |
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| 20:25.07 | Towzzer | what' |
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| 20:26.33 | Sailor_Moon | iam_: maybe, you can ping, but can not see "answer"; or "incoming" packages locked by firewall; (but I am newbie and dummo, so, skip it) |
| 20:27.01 | iam_ | I can't connect to any of the services running either |
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| 20:29.14 | Towzzer | iam , can you traceroute each ip to see if it's being routed properly |
| 20:29.26 | Towzzer | what's your two networks? |
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| 20:32.27 | phogg | iam_: I am suspicious of your 169 net |
| 20:33.03 | iam_ | phogg: I thought that was for clients that couldn't be assigned IPs on DHCP |
| 20:33.24 | iam_ | I never put that entry there in any case. Always been there on a clean install |
| 20:33.26 | iam_ | :( |
| 20:33.28 | Towzzer | 169 is the automatic ipv4 network |
| 20:33.40 | phogg | iam_: clients that can't obtain an IP may assign themselves a 169 address, but your AP doesn't know or care |
| 20:34.24 | iam_ | I have a dhcp server setup as well that assigns IP in the 10.0.0.0/24 range |
| 20:34.38 | phogg | iam_: it looks like that route probably does nothing, but deleting it should not matter |
| 20:34.41 | iam_ | On the same machine as the AP/bridge |
| 20:34.44 | iam_ | gmm |
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| 20:35.14 | iam_ | Would you be able to advise as to how to do so, and if a route could probably fix this issue? |
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| 20:35.48 | phogg | iam_: I am by no means a networking expert, I just play one on TV and manage to muddle through my own setups. |
| 20:35.51 | Forsvin | Do anyone have an idea why i can't find my .xinitrc? |
| 20:36.05 | phogg | Forsvin: not having one is not unusual |
| 20:36.08 | zykotick9 | Forsvin: it's not there by default, create one. |
| 20:36.20 | Forsvin | ah, that explains a lot. |
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| 20:36.30 | enveezee | I have a bit of confusion here on how to forward ssh to the outside to get access to my server this is my rube-golberg network map http://paste.debian.net/hidden/01236803/ |
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| 20:36.57 | enveezee | currently I have both routers forwarding directly port 22 to 10.1.0.10, obviously thats not working. heh |
| 20:37.45 | enveezee | my thought was the first router needed to forward to either 10.0.0.10 or 10.1.0.1 but since I was trying it from inside it was timing out anyhow |
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| 20:38.04 | phogg | enveezee: doing NAT at any point? |
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| 20:38.15 | Towzzer | these crazy network setups |
| 20:38.28 | phogg | that one's not very crazy, except if it really has to WANs in it. |
| 20:38.32 | phogg | s/to/two/ |
| 20:39.03 | enveezee | phogg: yeah it has two NATs |
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| 20:39.23 | phogg | my own home topology is modem->linux box->switch->WAP (all on the same logical net, except the linux box which is also on the internet) |
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| 20:39.41 | phogg | enveezee: that'll be a source of trouble for sure |
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| 20:39.56 | enveezee | yeah well the first net is the more public one.. the 2nd is my private one in my work area |
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| 20:41.32 | phogg | enveezee: tomato would have to forward 22 to gibson which would have to forward 22 to whatever 10.1 IP needs it, but I vaguely recall that there's something tricky about multiple layers of NAT |
| 20:41.58 | phogg | enveezee: IOW, avoid it if you can. Why do you need to NAT again between the two private 10. nets? |
| 20:42.12 | phogg | routing should be sufficient, right? |
| 20:42.22 | enveezee | phogg: yeah I'm gonna walk a few hundred feet and get on the tomato ap and try access SSH from there.. cause I can't access gibson without actually putting this thinkpad back in the dock and accessing it directly |
| 20:43.05 | enveezee | phogg: well I did have it that way then I wanted to be able to change my network setup for the pxe server.. and it seemed easier to have my own net I can change without effecting the first network |
| 20:43.26 | enveezee | dont want people on the first router able to even get to that pxe server |
| 20:43.31 | phogg | enveezee: a sufficiently configured firewall should be enough. |
| 20:44.04 | phogg | but I can't recommend it, not being the one who'd have to maintain it... |
| 20:44.17 | enveezee | heh |
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| 20:45.25 | enveezee | yeah im not really savvy with dnsmasq to even know how to set that up without it being on the main router and I rather have it all on my router so I dont have to touch that one.. so basically I should have a vpn |
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| 21:03.32 | invariant | Is it possible to upgrade an ext3 fs to a true ext4 fs (not distinquishable from a clean install)? |
| 21:04.29 | Pei | npo |
| 21:04.30 | Pei | no* |
| 21:05.38 | Pei | be happy with ext3 |
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| 21:05.50 | Pei | plz...... |
| 21:06.44 | invariant | Pei, it takes more than 30 minutes to fsck it. |
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| 21:08.52 | tDa | Hello, I've got an aging desktop I'd like to repurpose as a NAS. I was thinking of sticking in four equally sized disks, setting them up with software RAID5 and removing the graphics card. Would this be easily doable (never done RAID on a Linux system before)? Also, the main reason for the graphics card removal is that the damn thing is noisy as hell. As long as I can SSH into it, I should be fine, right? |
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| 21:09.32 | Towzzer | with linux software raid I don't think you can boot on a raid 5 |
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| 21:09.43 | Pei | invariant: yeah, then you need to switch |
| 21:09.49 | tDa | Well, it has an old 32GB SSD I can use as / |
| 21:09.50 | tremon | tDa: systems don't boot with no graphics card, so you can only remove it if you have some gfx adapter on-board |
| 21:09.55 | Towzzer | then it's easy |
| 21:10.02 | tDa | I just need the hard drives to be a large storage pool |
| 21:10.16 | Towzzer | that's super easy, you can even install freenas |
| 21:10.21 | f8l | invariant: As far as I know you can enable some of ext4 options on an ext3 filesystem without recreating it, but if I remember correctly some options can only be enabled on filesystem creation. |
| 21:10.22 | Pei | yah |
| 21:10.22 | Towzzer | which is a cool free nas |
| 21:10.36 | Pei | what tremon said about the gfx |
| 21:10.44 | Pei | he beat me to it |
| 21:10.45 | tDa | Hmm... I see. Well, I guess I could find some cheapass passively cooled graphics card. |
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| 21:10.55 | Pei | you need some kind of gfx card |
| 21:10.56 | tDa | doesn't FreeNAS require a large quantity of RAM? |
| 21:10.59 | Towzzer | no |
| 21:11.05 | Pei | just find some old pos lying around |
| 21:11.12 | Pei | a 2mb video card would work |
| 21:11.15 | Towzzer | obviously a tad more than a shell only system but it gives you a nice web interface |
| 21:11.18 | Pei | anything |
| 21:11.19 | Towzzer | to manage the raid |
| 21:11.22 | invariant | f8l, yes, that's how I understand it too. I don't quite get why run-time in place update would be such a big deal to implement. |
| 21:11.37 | tDa | Oh, actually, now I remember - someone said that FreeNAS uses ZFS, which for some reason requires a lot of memory |
| 21:11.46 | tDa | Not sure why that is |
| 21:11.47 | Towzzer | You don't have to use zfs, zfs doesn't require more member |
| 21:11.52 | Towzzer | memory |
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| 21:11.58 | Towzzer | de-duplication does |
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| 21:12.00 | Towzzer | but that's optional |
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| 21:12.11 | tDa | Oh. How much memory? The system has 4GB |
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| 21:12.57 | Towzzer | http://doc.freenas.org/index.php/Hardware_Recommendations |
| 21:12.57 | tDa | Also, I'll probably have to put the computer somewhere with no ethernet connectivity, so I'll have to get a fast WiFi card. |
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| 21:13.42 | f8l | invariant: Probably it would require too much resources to carry out. Possibly as much as or more than backup → recreate → restore. |
| 21:14.05 | TheGrey | o/ I have no sound. I run ALSA. When I check my alsamixer everything is fine. no still no audio. When I check my default sound card, the same applies. If I type "speaker-test" I get: Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy. If I reboot things work. Sometimes when I start JACK for Ardour, afterwards, I get no sound from any of my devices. I have to reboot and pray for these issues to go away.ALLL the time....Please can someone help me.... |
| 21:14.18 | invariant | f8l, too much resources? How about the time of the user? |
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| 21:15.30 | mythos | hello there. as i build openjdk-6 from sid, i found a rather weird looking patch, which causes dpkg-buildpackage to fail. http://pastebin.com/pvXm8ECp |
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| 21:15.52 | mythos | should i report a bugreport? |
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| 21:16.14 | Ristovski | well thats a new feature, terminal bell sound being 3D BASED on position of window |
| 21:16.27 | Ristovski | since when did that get implemented? |
| 21:17.00 | invariant | f8l, how can I make a full copy including all ownership data of everything stored in a given file system such that it actually works for hundreds of GBs? |
| 21:17.51 | Towzzer | tar can store permissions |
| 21:18.04 | invariant | I think I have tried tar before, but for some reason that didn't work. |
| 21:18.41 | mullein_ | invariant, rsync might be worth looking at |
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| 21:19.16 | invariant | There should be standard programs for these things. |
| 21:19.44 | f8l | invariant: Hey, I don't know the real reasons it's the way it is. It may be design related. As an metaphor, think of upgrading the tree of a tree-house; it's easier to remove the tree-house from one tree and place it on another, than to replace the tree under the tree-house while keeping it in the air. |
| 21:19.51 | gnarface | invariant: tar is the best choice. the documentation is largely incomplete and misleading though. the info page is slightly better, if you can figure out how to install it |
| 21:19.55 | invariant | Something as simple as makecopy-of-unmounted-system /dev/sda1 /usbmounted |
| 21:20.01 | zykotick9 | invariant: ahhh, cp has a -a switch which does what you want. but i'd say rsync is a better option. |
| 21:20.33 | Ristovski | is terminal bell sound being in 3D based on position of terminal window on the screen a feature or a bug? |
| 21:20.46 | invariant | gnarface, how do you mean, if I can figure out how to install it. It's a completely standard tool. |
| 21:21.02 | invariant | gnarface, oh, sorry, the info page. |
| 21:21.49 | Ristovski | anyone? |
| 21:22.08 | Dwarf | Ristovski: that amuses me |
| 21:22.13 | Dwarf | I'd say a feature |
| 21:22.17 | Towzzer | 3d? |
| 21:22.28 | Dwarf | I think he has surround sound ._. |
| 21:22.33 | Ristovski | Dwarf: Yeah, its kinda annoying tho, my terminal starts up on the left |
| 21:22.39 | Dwarf | Heh |
| 21:22.40 | Towzzer | or do you mean the stereo's phase is modified depending on the location |
| 21:22.46 | Dwarf | Terminal emulator? |
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| 21:22.53 | Ristovski | Dwarf: gnome-terminal |
| 21:22.59 | Ristovski | on Debian Wheezy |
| 21:23.08 | Ristovski | might be a metacity feature |
| 21:23.09 | Dwarf | So gnome3 |
| 21:23.13 | Ristovski | Dwarf: mate |
| 21:23.21 | invariant | gnarface, thanks. That info page helps. |
| 21:23.22 | Dwarf | Ah |
| 21:23.29 | Ristovski | Dwarf: not some fancy feature |
| 21:23.50 | Dwarf | I've never heard of it tbh |
| 21:24.03 | Ristovski | neither have I |
| 21:24.08 | gnarface | invariant: no problem. |
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| 21:24.24 | Ristovski | Dwarf: I was always wondering why my terminal bell was weird |
| 21:24.33 | Ristovski | today I moved the window and felt a difference |
| 21:24.39 | Dwarf | Heh |
| 21:24.40 | Dwarf | Awesome |
| 21:24.40 | Ristovski | well... heard a difference* |
| 21:24.57 | Ristovski | anyways, gtg, be back tomorrow |
| 21:25.02 | Dwarf | Goodnight |
| 21:25.13 | Ristovski | night! |
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| 21:28.49 | tDa | Thanks for your NAS advice, folks :) |
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| 21:40.51 | emper0r | hi... i have +70 servers all with debian and i want to implement a software to check inventory hardware/software.. somebody knows anyone good.. fast.. and atractive at the same time.. checking changes each some times automaticlly? |
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| 21:42.22 | tremon | I have no experience with it, but most seem to prefer puppet |
| 21:42.25 | emper0r | i hear about this Packt_Publishing_-_IT.Inventory.and.Resource.Management.with.OCS.Inventory.NG.1.02.pdf but i want to know if exist some other experience with any other.. |
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| 21:43.33 | emper0r | erm no but not in admin the servers at same time.. i mean checking inventory in hardware/software versions somethings like that |
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| 21:45.03 | blackmirroxx1 | does anybody know how to turn off bug reports in a debian / bash shell - yes I am interessted to have these reports but please in one window an not in every shell ... ? |
| 21:45.28 | tremon | bug reports? |
| 21:45.59 | tremon | I'm guessing you want man dmesg, option -n |
| 21:46.12 | blackmirroxx1 | kbuildservicefactory is spaming my hole screen - it is realate to one kde tool |
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| 21:46.32 | blackmirroxx1 | however the priority is set on low since I am using xmonad |
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| 21:47.17 | tremon | well if some X program is trashing your display, I'd think that's a bug not a feature |
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| 21:48.31 | blackmirroxx1 | tremon yes and man dmesg -n is a good guess I ll try it |
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| 21:52.02 | blackmirroxx1 | tremon thx ... I put dmesg -n 1 as default to prevent unimport bugs and one window with report all still - works |
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| 21:52.07 | blackmirroxx1 | tremon thx |
| 21:52.38 | TheGrey | on normal videos, or music, flash or avi, etc, I occassionally have a bizzare audio problem where I can hear the background sounds perfeectly, but no or very quite vocals: for example on this video: I can hear the electric jazz guitar, but no voice.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQGO_cnf03I..If you can help me troubleshoot and identify the problem I will be exceedly thankful! |
| 21:53.22 | blackmirroxx1 | I googled it it was a missing dependancy - needed to download some missing libraries in order to prevent warnings |
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| 21:53.53 | zmitya | hi Gents |
| 21:54.16 | zmitya | is there a way to set a temp name during an sftp upload (on the server side) ? |
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| 21:55.57 | ompaul | zmitya: your question is not understandable, temp name for whom or what where when during this upload |
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| 21:56.49 | zmitya | ompaul: hmmm.. ok, so lets say I upload a big file which takes long time |
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| 21:57.18 | ompaul | 5 gigs or so ok and the file is called foo.d |
| 21:57.43 | ompaul | what are you trying to achieve - if the service falls over you can resume? |
| 21:57.43 | zmitya | during the upload, the (by default) the server side see exactly the same filename during the upload, however it does not know when will the upload finish |
| 21:58.03 | ompaul | it can't predict the feeding side's speed |
| 21:58.14 | ompaul | which could vary a lot |
| 21:59.12 | zmitya | ompaul: the speed does not matter here... lets say takes 2323 hours |
| 21:59.22 | ompaul | rsync -ave ssh ../foo.d user@farawaymachine.com: |
| 21:59.30 | ompaul | is how I would do it but go on |
| 21:59.42 | zmitya | ompaul: sure, I know rsync has this feature |
| 21:59.49 | zmitya | but my client has no rsync |
| 22:00.36 | zmitya | so that is why I'm here, want the same with the sftp server, without touching the client side |
| 22:00.37 | ompaul | install cygwin and rsync then learn the little bit of windows insanity about rsync paths and you will win the day? |
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| 22:01.11 | zmitya | ompaul: ok, so please talk about the subject |
| 22:01.29 | zmitya | if you have no idea, then please don't talk |
| 22:01.34 | ompaul | -a statistics |
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| 22:01.54 | ompaul | I think I just answered your not asked yet question |
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| 22:04.39 | zmitya | ompaul: what is -a statistics ? |
| 22:04.51 | ompaul | its scp |
| 22:04.58 | ompaul | which is almost sftp but not the same |
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| 22:05.06 | ompaul | same ssh used |
| 22:05.15 | zmitya | ompaul: the problem is that I have a client who want to use sftp |
| 22:05.36 | awc737 | can anyone please help, I've been troubleshooting this all day. my display is extremely distorted and static-looking on startup. After sleep/hibernate awaking, it looks fine |
| 22:05.36 | zmitya | I don't have any idea what are they using, which client, which OS |
| 22:05.55 | Towzzer | bad refresh rate? |
| 22:05.57 | ompaul | asking wouldn't hurt in sftp you can type progress |
| 22:06.02 | Towzzer | but I'm not sure why a sleep would fix that |
| 22:06.28 | awc737 | Towzzer, it happened with Deb7, now it also happens with a Linux Mint live USB |
| 22:07.23 | awc737 | this is my laptop (1792 x 768 resolution) http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/U840W/U845W-S410/ |
| 22:07.42 | ompaul | zmitya: typing help on the command line once in sftp will give you that |
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| 22:09.26 | zmitya | ompaul: I did that |
| 22:09.44 | zmitya | what should I check ? |
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| 22:10.03 | ompaul | the text in front of you should have it |
| 22:10.20 | blackmirroxx1 | does anybody know how to configure "getmail" to leave the message on the mail server but still just pulling new messages and not everything every time |
| 22:10.40 | Towzzer | say that one more time |
| 22:10.46 | tremon | awc737: sounds like a bug in the intel video driver. I'd ask on #dri or browse the freedesktop bug list |
| 22:10.49 | Towzzer | oh |
| 22:11.31 | blackmirroxx1 | I mean I am using mutt + msmtp + getmail |
| 22:11.41 | tremon | is freaked out by a 24:10 widescreen |
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| 22:12.41 | tremon | blackmirroxx1: afaik, it can't. It doesn't mark retrieved mails as read |
| 22:13.00 | tremon | fetchmail can (iirc) |
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| 22:13.37 | blackmirroxx1 | tremon: in this case I have to build my on script using a filter . remembering Date and time and just pulling newer onces |
| 22:15.21 | blackmirroxx1 | or is there a filter and delete function to remove all doubled emails ? |
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| 22:16.03 | awc737 | tremonis there any bootflag you think I can try? |
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| 22:16.41 | tremon | awc737: no idea |
| 22:17.14 | awc737 | it is amazing it looks great after suspending and coming back |
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| 22:23.37 | Mp5shooter | what's the best way to wipe a hard drive? |
| 22:23.44 | klakier | rm -rf / |
| 22:23.52 | klakier | :D |
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| 22:24.18 | Mp5shooter | I'm booted into a live CD and I need to wipe the hard drive in teh computer |
| 22:24.24 | RMiranda | Where and when should i store and instantiate a ConnectionString (got from web.config) object to be used in an ASP.NET WebApp UI layer, to be passed be passed through Business Layer and Data Access Layer (all layers are different projects/dll). |
| 22:24.24 | zykotick9 | klakier: actually, that will fail with modern systems ;) |
| 22:24.25 | tremon | Mp5shooter: with a few nails and a sledgehammer? |
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| 22:24.44 | klakier | Mp5shooter, what live cd? knoppix? |
| 22:24.54 | Mp5shooter | klakier: alpine linux |
| 22:25.11 | Mp5shooter | cli |
| 22:25.12 | tremon | Mp5shooter: dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sdX bs=4k count=128 |
| 22:25.28 | ZekeS | .... count=128? Really br0 |
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| 22:25.40 | tremon | well, why do you need more? |
| 22:25.54 | klakier | or delete partitions on fdisk |
| 22:26.07 | ZekeS | Mp5shooter: do you need the hard drive formatted or actually WIPED? |
| 22:26.13 | Mp5shooter | actually wiped |
| 22:26.14 | Mp5shooter | for sale |
| 22:26.19 | klakier | uh-huh |
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| 22:26.37 | klakier | dd is perfect for the job |
| 22:26.52 | ZekeS | Mp5shooter: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=1M or similar |
| 22:27.01 | Mp5shooter | mm |
| 22:27.02 | ZekeS | Mp5shooter: if you're really paranoid, google "ATA Secure Erase" |
| 22:27.03 | Mp5shooter | ok |
| 22:27.59 | ZekeS | (in fact look up ata secure erase anyways, because that means you'll see hdparm's manpage and hdparm's manpage is awesome) |
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| 22:29.19 | brong_ | ZekeS: I can't believe they didn't find some function for -G |
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| 22:30.04 | tremon | brong_: it's reserved for querying the drive's geolocation |
| 22:30.13 | brong_ | ahh |
| 22:30.49 | brong_ | I'm glad they reserved -j for bzip2 compressing data to/from the drive too |
| 22:30.55 | brong_ | nice to be compatible with tar |
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| 22:38.04 | _genuser_ | hello folks. What is the latest kernel that current debian is using? |
| 22:38.23 | Pei | you mean that LINUX is using? :P |
| 22:38.36 | mmnicolas | LINUX. |
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| 22:38.48 | awc737 | LiNuX? |
| 22:38.54 | _genuser_ | what is the latest kernel version in the GNU/Linux operatin system flavor we know as debian. |
| 22:38.58 | Pei | Lunix? |
| 22:39.01 | mmnicolas | -_- |
| 22:39.02 | _genuser_ | correct. |
| 22:39.02 | awc737 | linus? |
| 22:39.11 | klakier | Leehnucks? |
| 22:39.16 | awc737 | Lienucks |
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| 22:39.34 | awc737 | Leh Nawks? |
| 22:39.35 | tremon | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 22:39.36 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+44~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; sid: 3.2+46; wheezy: 3.2+46 |
| 22:39.37 | mmnicolas | _genuser_: the latest stable is still Squeeze, for at least another month easily |
| 22:39.47 | nevyn | _genuser_: debian runs on more than one kernel now. |
| 22:39.51 | mmnicolas | sorry, totally misread that question |
| 22:40.06 | _genuser_ | mmnicolas: I was wanting to know the kernel. Since on gentoo we're at 3.5.11. I know debian doesn't force users to move to the latest quickly. |
| 22:40.23 | _genuser_ | linux kernel version. dangs what's with my incomplete tags. |
| 22:40.34 | klakier | debian is freezed for a long time |
| 22:40.42 | klakier | i mean debian testing |
| 22:40.44 | mmnicolas | _genuser_: 3.2.0 |
| 22:40.57 | _genuser_ | mmnicolas: thanks. appreciate it. :) |
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| 22:41.32 | mmnicolas | _genuser_: although if you intend to use Squeeze, it shill ships with 2.6.29 or something, a 3.2.x kernel is available in the backports |
| 22:41.59 | tremon | see above, 2.6.32 |
| 22:42.03 | zykotick9 | mmnicolas: see judd above |
| 22:42.21 | _genuser_ | mmnicolas: cool. My co-worker wanted a raid setup without much hassle. Told him to install debian. He wondered if it has an old enough kernel to keep supprot for his ATA drives. |
| 22:42.40 | babilen | judd: kernels |
| 22:42.41 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.7-trunk-686-pae (3.7.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.35-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 22:42.46 | babilen | _genuser_: ^^^ |
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| 22:42.58 | _genuser_ | ashley judd is a mod ? |
| 22:43.03 | klakier | kernel isn't a problem for debian, you can have any kernel what you want |
| 22:43.08 | babilen | _genuser_: What? |
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| 22:43.15 | _genuser_ | babilen: sorry dumb joke. |
| 22:43.28 | babilen | ack |
| 22:43.46 | _genuser_ | I see kernel version souldn't be a problem. I don't think even ATA support will go away real soon anyway. |
| 22:44.00 | babilen | awc737, Pei, klakier: Nothing against a joke, but please answer question if you make one. A little professionalism comes a long way. |
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| 22:44.15 | mmnicolas | klakier: well, let's say you want to keep it clean, you can use theses, not *any* |
| 22:44.20 | DexterF | hi |
| 22:44.35 | klakier | babilen, mmnicolas, understood. |
| 22:44.39 | Pei | yeah sorry, i just am not sure myself which is latest version |
| 22:44.41 | _genuser_ | it's cool. hilarity ensures community bonding. as long as someone chimed in with the version. |
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| 22:45.30 | babilen | _genuser_: Yeah, but endless jokes /without/ a proper answer are, well, counterproductive :) -- Lets not discuss this further, just wanted to note that. is all. |
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| 22:46.11 | _genuser_ | thanks all. I appreciate your help. I will tell my co-worker to use debian and not worry about his ATA drives and just go ahead and raid away. :) |
| 22:46.12 | mmnicolas | _genuser_: basically the answer is yes, chances are it'll work :P |
| 22:46.27 | mmnicolas | if not out-of-the-box, with a little tweaking |
| 22:46.56 | _genuser_ | mmnicolas: yeah, I just recently upgrade my kernel to not use autodetection for RAID and has to build an initramfs. 'coz of that I was a little cautious of what is going away and what is stay in the kernel for old architectures. |
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| 22:47.38 | DexterF | need some advice on java: squeeze has 6update26, now recently I learned that 7update13 fixes some major security issues. now - is only 7 affected? should I upgrade? and: where would I get 7update13 debs for squeeze? |
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| 22:48.37 | tremon | !install java |
| 22:48.37 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea6-plugin (squeeze) or icedtea-plugin (wheezy) package. For other Java programs, install the default-jre package to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old <sun-java6> packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>. |
| 22:49.11 | tremon | DexterF: if you really need Oracle's JRE, you need to get it from them. Otherwise, use openjdk |
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| 22:49.47 | DexterF | tremon: ok. so debian ditched Oracle's java altogether? |
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| 22:49.57 | tremon | not by choice, but yes |
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| 22:50.07 | DexterF | by license? |
| 22:50.07 | zykotick9 | DexterF: actually Oracle ditched gnu/linux distros |
| 22:50.59 | tremon | DexterF: yes, as zykotick9 says. Redistribution is prohibited, so no distribution can provide proper packages |
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| 22:51.35 | DexterF | ok, clear to see. |
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| 23:08.24 | enveezee | It would seem when I close this thinkpad and it suspends, then I open and wake it, the screen is black I have to actually switch to tty1 then back to X to get it to show the desktop |
| 23:08.28 | vmassuchetto | I have several invalid entries in my menu of software I installed ages ago, how can I 'clean' or 'regenerate' the menu to match the current valid apps? |
| 23:08.47 | mac | i m using acroread from deb-multimedia on debian/sid+xfce. from a few days i get "Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libxfce.so: classe ELF errata: ELFCLASS64" and it doesn't start. how can i fix it? |
| 23:09.23 | enveezee | though its clearly something to do with the nvidia driver as it didn't do that until after I installed the nvidia packages |
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| 23:10.18 | enveezee | mac: warnings wouldnt stop anything from working.. a good step is always to create a new user and see if you can run the app in question |
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| 23:11.05 | enveezee | vmassuchetto: it should do that automatically as software is installed or removed.. |
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| 23:11.33 | enveezee | vmassuchetto: update-menus as root to do it manually |
| 23:12.55 | mac | enveezee: ty. i killed some process with "acroread" and now it works as usual. |
| 23:13.26 | vmassuchetto | enveezee: update-menus as root have no affect |
| 23:13.30 | vmassuchetto | *effect |
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| 23:13.49 | enveezee | vmassuchetto: what menu are we talking about here? |
| 23:14.10 | vmassuchetto | the panel menu |
| 23:14.18 | zykotick9 | vmassuchetto: i'd guess "update-menus" only applies to the Debian menu... |
| 23:14.18 | vmassuchetto | not sure how it's called |
| 23:14.24 | enveezee | that narrows it down to about 50 things |
| 23:14.32 | enveezee | is it GNOME? |
| 23:14.46 | vmassuchetto | yes |
| 23:14.49 | enveezee | Debian 6 'squeeze'? |
| 23:14.57 | vmassuchetto | debian 7 |
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| 23:15.07 | vmassuchetto | #debian-next is closed for me not sure why |
| 23:15.36 | zykotick9 | vmassuchetto: #debian-next is on OFTC, not freenode... |
| 23:15.52 | vmassuchetto | zykotick9: ok, thanks |
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| 23:25.07 | shakaponk | hey guyz, downloaded the debian wheezy image dvd 1 today, burned on disk, try to install now. geting corrupt deb (example libamg... now libpam0g) errors... whats wrong? |
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| 23:26.17 | enveezee | sounds like your disk, image, or drive is corrupted |
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| 23:27.05 | shakaponk | enveezee: hmm, thats bad... very bad |
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| 23:27.44 | enveezee | yeah.. typically burning software will checksum for you, but you still gotta compare it to the checksums on the mirror |
| 23:28.04 | zykotick9 | shakaponk: do you not have internet access while installing? netinst would be my recommendation. |
| 23:28.26 | shakaponk | zykotick9: no, unfotunatly not |
| 23:28.43 | zykotick9 | shakaponk: well, that's a good use-case for dvds then ;) good luck. |
| 23:28.55 | shakaponk | :-D thx |
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| 23:30.29 | markovh | is there an ntp service that only queries remote servers and doesn't listen or provide a time service itself? |
| 23:30.35 | markovh | packaged that is |
| 23:31.28 | zykotick9 | markovh: "ntp"? |
| 23:32.07 | markovh | that provides it as a service setup on the box no? |
| 23:32.34 | markovh | as in listens and provides an ntp service to others.... metaphoricly i want a browser not a browser and a web server packaged together |
| 23:32.54 | zykotick9 | markovh: ntp runs as a service, to get time... not provide it. |
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| 23:33.18 | markovh | you mean ntpd? |
| 23:33.30 | blackmirroxx1 | found a solution for dubbled mails to delet when using mutt : # Therefore it is *very* easy delete duplicates from folders: Type 'o' and |
| 23:33.33 | abrotman | zykotick9: it can |
| 23:33.33 | blackmirroxx1 | # 't' to sort the folder by threads, then 'D' (delete-pattern) with "~=" as |
| 23:33.36 | blackmirroxx1 | # the pattern, then type '$' (sync-folder) - and they will be gone! (with |
| 23:33.38 | blackmirroxx1 | # mutt 1.5.x the sorting by threads is not necessary any more. |
| 23:33.57 | zykotick9 | abrotman: interesting... sorry markovh i guess i'm wrong. |
| 23:33.57 | tremon | markovh: just disable all listen interfaces (only listen on 127.0.0.1) |
| 23:34.44 | abrotman | zykotick9: see the ntp-doc package |
| 23:35.01 | abrotman | zykotick9: but by default, it doesn't act as a daemon IIRC |
| 23:35.24 | zykotick9 | abrotman: i must say, i certainly believe you - but am a bit surprised |
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| 23:35.47 | abrotman | zykotick9: or rather, a listening daemon |
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| 23:36.08 | markovh | not too sure how. config files only allow blocking or allowing on interfaces or ips |
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| 23:36.49 | markovh | in addition, it's actually rather annoying having it binding to every interface. takes up 6 lines in netstat with ipv4 and ipv6 |
| 23:36.57 | markovh | every interface and every ip* |
| 23:37.12 | zykotick9 | markovh: ntp != ntpd |
| 23:37.44 | markovh | Zyferus: ? ntp is the protocol, ntpd is the daemon that get's installed from the ntp package |
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| 23:38.10 | zykotick9 | ,version ntp |
| 23:38.12 | judd | Package: ntp on i386 -- lenny: 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-8lenny3; lenny-security: 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-8lenny3; squeeze: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b1; sid: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2; wheezy: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2 |
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| 23:38.36 | enveezee | there is also ntpdate which just sets the clock on boot or when you run the command |
| 23:38.59 | markovh | zykotick9: ...and? |
| 23:39.02 | zykotick9 | markovh: sorry, i see what you mean - there is no ntpd. my bad. |
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| 23:39.09 | NoDLL | Is there any plan to switch (like in fedora) from mysql to mariadb as the default mysql db on the distribution? |
| 23:40.15 | tremon | markovh: as yes, that was the funny thing. ntpd doesn't distinguish between incoming and outgoing synchronization. If you tell it to ignore certain interfaces, it will not synchronize itself either via that interface |
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| 23:40.47 | tremon | NoDLL: no, the default already is postgresql |
| 23:40.50 | markovh | unless it's crafting packets, that shouldn't really be necessary if it's just syncing outwards |
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| 23:41.11 | NoDLL | tremon thanks |
| 23:41.12 | markovh | i do understand why it does by default though. it CAN accepts broadcast updates. |
| 23:41.13 | tremon | it's udp traffic... |
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| 23:41.40 | markovh | tremon: tag the name, not sure who you're talking to |
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| 23:42.28 | tremon | markovh: it's udp traffic... (so packets don't really have a inbound or outbound designation) |
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| 23:43.31 | abrotman | also note, you can do a mesh |
| 23:43.43 | markovh | designation? |
| 23:44.19 | markovh | no idea what you mean. udp just like tcp has a source and destination ip, and a source and destination port combo in order to associate the packets with a network socket |
| 23:45.14 | DexterF | manually installed java7upd13 on debian 6 64bit. calling java -version I get "cannot execute file". "file" says: 64bit ELF LSB executable, but ldd says: bot a dynamic executable. now what is with that binary? |
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| 23:46.02 | tremon | markovh: yes, but the protocol can't tell whether a packet coming in is a response to a request sent by ntp, or whether it's a new request from another server. That doesn't mean that ntp wouldn't be able to distinguish, but I guess ntp doesn't bother either |
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| 23:48.42 | DexterF | nevermind... 32 vs 64 bit... |
| 23:48.59 | markovh | tremon: why would you think that? |
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| 23:49.49 | tremon | markovh: because it looks to be impossible to configure ntpd not to act as a server |
| 23:50.38 | markovh | in all seriousness, are you just coming up with plausible suggestions or something you've researched to be true |
| 23:50.55 | markovh | because i'm fairly sure if i had to guess, it's about accepting broadcast ntp data |
| 23:51.27 | tremon | broadcast is just one of the ways in which ntp can synchronize |
| 23:51.56 | markovh | i realise that yes, but i'm suggesting it as the reason why ntp needs to bind to the port even if it's not providing a service |
| 23:51.58 | tremon | in fact, all my clients use unicast, and two of my servers peer with each other and sync with several unicast servers on the outside |
| 23:52.21 | markovh | yes i realise that also |
| 23:52.34 | tremon | I have spent time on this before, so if you do find a way to make ntpd a client-only, please do share |
| 23:52.56 | tremon | so far I've not found a way to make ntp not accept unicast queries |
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| 23:55.33 | teotwaki | tremon: firewall it :) |
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| 23:55.56 | markovh | teotwaki: he means not to listen for connections. came in a little late on the conversation |
| 23:56.16 | teotwaki | which is what I meant |
| 23:56.19 | markovh | does also, ntp package isn't installed by default right? What's the default method of keep time? cron job on ntpdate or on boot? |
| 23:56.27 | dondelelcaro | markovh: there's no default method |
| 23:56.30 | markovh | firewall won't stop you from listening for connection |
| 23:56.34 | dondelelcaro | markovh: if you want to keep time accurately, you install ntpd. |
| 23:56.49 | teotwaki | markatto: but it'll stop connections arriving. |
| 23:56.53 | markovh | really? by default no time sync? isn't there some time sync options when you go to install or on the gui in the clock |
| 23:57.01 | tremon | markovh: the "default method" is cmos' rtc :) |
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