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| 00:00.41 | nvz | but what vlc says when IT errors out over ssh -X is essentiall could not init SwScaler and/or allocate memory, cannot connect to X server (default) and video output creation failed |
| 00:01.23 | nvz | other apps that have given me grief I think just give the typical could not connect to X errors when I run them subsequently |
| 00:01.47 | nvz | guess I can try and see.. cause ones vlc screws up that means I shouldnt be able to close it and run xeyes from here anymore |
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| 00:02.12 | gimpy23 | nvz: What's your $DISPLAY before and after? |
| 00:02.22 | nvz | yeah says "Error: Can't open display: localhost:12.0" now when I run xeyes |
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| 00:03.39 | nvz | gimpy23: well in the terminal not working it says "localhost:12.0" I have no way of knowing for sure what it was before I ran vlc, but if I open another terminal and ssh -X it is "localhost:13.0" |
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| 00:05.08 | gimpy23 | nvz: Hmm, I'm not sure then. Anything in X's log? |
| 00:05.23 | nvz | seems to just make a new sequentially numbered one for each session.. so thats normal.. I have no way of knowing what it was before though short of trying to make the error occur again in a terminal and checking $DISPLAY first before running anything |
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| 00:07.13 | nvz | nothing curious other than a LOT of messages that seem to indicate my mouse is either bad or goes to sleep or something.. cause it shows my USB laser wheel mouse reconnecting a lot |
| 00:07.18 | nvz | gimpy23: ^ |
| 00:07.55 | gimpy23 | If non of the logs show anything then I think I'm no help. |
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| 00:09.38 | nvz | idk.. its weird.. I just started doing the TV on the desktop to reduce the annoyance.. cause it'll commonly just screw up when it switches videos in vlc and its a pain to have to keep restarting that and getting it all setup properly since I have to setup the playlist, window, aspect ratio..etc.. |
| 00:10.29 | nvz | its far less annoying to have other apps not work cause they fail when I go to run them, not while I told them to play 30days worth of video and then they screw up ever half hour.. heh |
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| 00:21.27 | ageis | so I have a Dummy Output sound device that doesn't work as a regular user... But if I run gnome as root then my sound is fine. This has been broken ever since I inadvertently installed oss. I've pretty much tried everything possible to get alsa working again |
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| 00:22.46 | ageis | if anyone has any experience with this and has some recommendations please let me know. |
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| 00:25.23 | gimpy23 | ageis: Wrong perms on the sound device? |
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| 00:28.11 | ageis | dunno |
| 00:30.17 | ageis | well it works on this new user I just created |
| 00:30.21 | ageis | so it's only broken on one user.... |
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| 00:36.18 | neon__ | why does my disk thrash |
| 00:36.30 | neon__ | I don't even have swap |
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| 00:46.15 | decaf | hi all. pepperflash doesn't work on squeeze. anyone else got similar problem? |
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| 00:46.16 | gimpy23 | neon__: What does iotop say? |
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| 00:50.04 | JodaZ | how do i get crashdumps on debian squeeze ? |
| 00:50.32 | JodaZ | process crashdumps that is |
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| 00:53.18 | ageis | whew finally fixed it |
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| 00:59.57 | LtL | JodaZ: gdb i think |
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| 01:00.12 | LtL | it's been awhile |
| 01:00.19 | JodaZ | LtL, i mean how do i set stuff up so they are generated in general |
| 01:01.12 | LtL | JodaZ: somewhere and i forget where is a setting to ignore core dumps |
| 01:01.31 | LtL | which is on by default afaik |
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| 01:01.48 | JodaZ | that'd leave me with the question where the dumps are |
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| 01:02.00 | Derpadong | Is there a channel for Debian sid issues? |
| 01:02.24 | Anuska | hi, i have some problem with my debian, he crash... how i test him? or i need a cmd to play all night to see if the computer not crash |
| 01:03.09 | JodaZ | Anuska, did you check syslogs for suspcicious stuff ? |
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| 01:03.58 | Anuska | JodaZ, noting... he freezen and i need to turn power off and on to run again |
| 01:04.04 | Anuska | nothing in log |
| 01:04.19 | Anuska | i install firmware-6.0.6-amd64-netinst now |
| 01:05.24 | JodaZ | Anuska, maybe look here http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=486495 |
| 01:05.43 | Anuska | thanks |
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| 01:07.05 | Anuska | JodaZ, i use mod text not graphic but i will test with this programs the computer |
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| 01:12.29 | Anuska | this /dev/sda: SAMSUNG HD160JJ: 34°C |
| 01:12.31 | Anuska | is oki |
| 01:13.54 | Anuska | cpu |
| 01:13.54 | Anuska | stress: info: [6288] dispatching hogs: 8 cpu, 4 io, 2 vm, 0 hdd |
| 01:13.54 | Anuska | stress: info: [6288] successful run completed in 10s |
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| 01:17.31 | JodaZ | Anuska, 10 sec run is a bit short, maybe better run longer |
| 01:17.47 | Anuska | i put 1min |
| 01:17.51 | Anuska | i install other |
| 01:17.53 | Anuska | root@server:~/nbench-byte-2.2.3# ./nbench |
| 01:17.53 | Anuska | unexpected reloc type in static binarySegmentation fault |
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| 01:18.35 | JodaZ | you might wanna install that from source or use another binary version |
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| 01:18.48 | Anuska | yes i install the source |
| 01:19.09 | Anuska | root@server:~/nbench-byte-2.2.3# ./hardware |
| 01:19.09 | Anuska | CPU : Dual GenuineIntel Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz 3200MHz |
| 01:19.09 | Anuska | L2 Cache : 2048 KB |
| 01:19.09 | Anuska | OS : Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 01:19.14 | Anuska | ups |
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| 01:23.36 | Anuska | i use root@server:~/tiobench-0.3.3# ./tiobench.pl and stress at time |
| 01:23.42 | Anuska | and no crash.. |
| 01:25.43 | Anuska | stress: info: [6497] successful run completed in 300s |
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| 01:26.44 | Anuska | is posible to run memtest86++ in text mode? |
| 01:27.24 | sebper | I'm having problem setting up the dns... the /etc/bind/db. doesn't seem to be created.. Any clue? |
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| 01:32.19 | Towzzer | anuska, you can download memtest and put it on a usb drive |
| 01:32.37 | Towzzer | sebper, are you setting up a dns server ? |
| 01:32.49 | sebper | yes |
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| 01:33.22 | Anuska | Towzzer, yes i have memtest on cd |
| 01:33.31 | Anuska | now i test all computer |
| 01:33.42 | Anuska | and i give him a little big stress |
| 01:34.05 | Anuska | how i run cpuburn ? |
| 01:34.37 | Anuska | i found on google |
| 01:34.38 | Anuska | thanks |
| 01:35.12 | Towzzer | sebper, what is the file /etc/bind/db |
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| 01:35.30 | Towzzer | I ask this in a serious manner |
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| 01:36.15 | ctmjr | Anuska: cpuburn if not run right will destroy your cpu |
| 01:36.17 | tharkun | Towzzer: cat one of those and you will see. Those are plain text files |
| 01:36.35 | zinx | ctmjr: .. |
| 01:36.56 | sebper | tharkun, thx... used the wrong command I guess |
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| 01:37.08 | zinx | ctmjr: if cpuburn is destroying your CPU, you have inadequate cooling. |
| 01:38.14 | Towzzer | tharkun, what is it suppose to contain? |
| 01:38.16 | tharkun | sebper: you have to create your own zone files. But take a look at the ARM which is the official documentation. IIRC comes with the bind-doc package |
| 01:38.27 | Anuska | thanks for helping me |
| 01:38.28 | Anuska | time to sleep |
| 01:38.31 | ctmjr | zinx: I guess that's one way to find out if have inadequate cooling |
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| 01:39.06 | tharkun | Towzzer: usually they contain zones of your tld. |
| 01:39.07 | sebper | Towzzer, it's used after creating zones to see what addresses and then create CNAME |
| 01:39.22 | tharkun | sebper: avoid CNAME by all means |
| 01:39.28 | sebper | tharkun, didn't work for me... just says that it doesn't exist |
| 01:40.12 | tharkun | sebper: pastebin your /etc/bind/named.con.local file |
| 01:40.21 | Anuska | contest - i see this on http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=486495 |
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| 01:40.38 | Anuska | where i find this program? |
| 01:41.14 | Anuska | contest? |
| 01:41.16 | Anuska | ,v contest |
| 01:41.17 | judd | No package named 'contest' was found in i386. |
| 01:42.33 | Towzzer | I'm thinking he installed bind and didn't create any domain |
| 01:42.38 | Towzzer | because by default bind does not create any zone files |
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| 01:44.04 | tharkun | Towzzer: bind by default installs db.root db.0 db.127 db.255 and several other files which contain basic information to work as a caching name server out of the box |
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| 01:47.29 | koshie | Hey |
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| 01:49.03 | sebper | tharkun, http://pastebin.com/fSKawrBX |
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| 01:51.29 | koshie | I've a problem, I've installed BOINC from my repository (Wheezy) and it's unfonctionnal, I can do nothing. Boinc seems to be complaining about my version of GLIBC, after a quick search on Google I see there is a problem with Wheezy and Boinc 7.*. Can I use debootstrap to install a stable system to run BOINC ? |
| 01:51.44 | koshie | /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by /home/koshie/BOINC/boinc |
| 01:52.36 | tharkun | sebper: and you did create your zone files accordingly. Right? Personal question why use a .local M$ crap? |
| 01:52.54 | tharkun | sebper: use dig to test your setup |
| 01:54.45 | sebper | should I use .lan instead? |
| 01:55.13 | tharkun | sebper: use your tld That is one of its puposes. :) |
| 01:55.49 | sebper | I'm a n00b what's tld and how to use dig |
| 01:55.51 | Rix | If i run a process in bg that requiers 10 000 file descriptors, then i change the limits.conf to lets say 20000 - changes take effect after i logout and login again. My question is - do I need to kill and run that process again so that it won't have the old limits (default 1024), or the new limit will be applied? |
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| 01:56.24 | tharkun | sebper: man dig and tld == Top Level Domain (whatever your rented domain is called) |
| 01:56.29 | Rix | and i don't need to kill and run the process after relogging |
| 01:56.38 | Rix | do I? |
| 01:58.02 | sebper | ok.. so the rented domain is on a host right now... thougt that I should setup with local first.. before changing |
| 01:58.13 | sebper | and move the content |
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| 02:01.48 | l0p3n | Hello I'm not able to get any sound when using Debian. When started I alsactl init it loaded the same driver I use under CentOS where the sound works. But still, no luck. How can I fix this? |
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| 02:04.44 | sebper | tharkun, dig goes for 127.0.0.1#53 while dig @server goes 192.168.1.100#53 |
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| 02:11.54 | tharkun | sebper: dig example.com != dig @8.8.8.8 example.com |
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| 02:13.48 | sebper | yes |
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| 02:15.03 | tharkun | sebper: Ok so what is your actual isue? |
| 02:16.30 | sebper | in the tutorial i'm following, i've config the /etc/bind/named.conf.local |
| 02:16.55 | sebper | now I'm supposed to open /etc/bind/db.egs.local |
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| 02:36.06 | smallfoot- | Why Debian latest have Chromium 22, when Windows have Chrome 24? |
| 02:36.14 | smallfoot- | Chromium 22 is old and vulnerable |
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| 02:38.32 | Tronic | How does Debian handle programs that depend on ffmpeg (rather than libav)? |
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| 02:40.11 | Tronic | The differences between these forks are becoming too much burden to support and I am now wondering whether to stop supporting libav. |
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| 02:42.13 | boudiccas | Tronic: ffmpeg is deprecated and i think to use avutools but check it first |
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| 02:43.43 | boudiccas | l0p3n: check all settings to see if they are muted, most often they are |
| 02:44.33 | boudiccas | l0p3n: and also check tyresm, battery, |
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| 02:45.30 | Tronic | boudiccas: I mean the libraries (libavcodec/format), not the command line tools (ffmpeg/avconv). And FFmpeg is *NOT* deprecated, this was simply bullshit takeover attempt by the libav fork. |
| 02:45.48 | smallfoot- | so which are the good guys and which are the bad guys? |
| 02:46.17 | Tronic | I'm sure that both on them are pretty damn good, coders at least, even if not guys. |
| 02:46.51 | MaXim_ | what does this mean :S |
| 02:47.10 | MaXim_ | E: Release file for http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/InRelease is expired (invalid since 2d 6h 27min 23s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 02:50.17 | eap | MaXim_, make sure the keyrings are installed |
| 02:50.32 | MaXim_ | i don't see why they wouldn't be |
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| 02:50.42 | MaXim_ | was working fine till now |
| 02:50.46 | eap | ah |
| 02:50.56 | MaXim_ | guess the mirror is screwed up or something |
| 02:51.12 | eap | ive been having issues with that au mirror past few months |
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| 02:51.40 | MaXim_ | does it work for you? |
| 02:52.51 | eap | nope, i use the optus net one now.. not tried that lately |
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| 03:08.10 | kambuz1234 | kambuz: hey! |
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| 03:14.25 | MaXim_ | what :/ |
| 03:14.27 | MaXim_ | E: Release file for http://mirror.optus.net/debian/dists/wheezy/InRelease is expired (invalid since 1d 18h 54min 54s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
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| 03:19.46 | MaXim_ | none of the files in the mirror have been updated since 24-Jan |
| 03:22.53 | LtL | MaXim_: so use another miror |
| 03:22.57 | LtL | mirror |
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| 03:25.53 | MaXim_ | well i tried, but it had the same issue |
| 03:26.04 | MaXim_ | both linux.org.au/ftp.au.debian.org and optus |
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| 03:45.22 | G-Known | Hello everyone |
| 03:45.41 | G-Known | I'm trying to play an audio file on my Cd, Totem is stuck with an error: The playback of this movie requires a Audio CD source plugin which is not installed. |
| 03:46.10 | G-Known | Now, people said totem don't player cd files so use another application is recommended: mplayer, rhythmbox...etc |
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| 03:48.11 | G-Known | I'm running version 2.30.2 |
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| 03:51.18 | G-Known | The strange part is that when I moved the file to my desktop, it can be played. |
| 03:51.21 | G-Known | Just not on the cd. |
| 03:51.27 | G-Known | Has anyone got that problem? |
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| 03:52.06 | G-Known | So I looked on this forum, saying that its problem got solved because he didn't realized that it doesn't launch mplayer instead totem. |
| 03:52.10 | G-Known | I was like: what? |
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| 03:53.13 | G-Known | The guy basically have two players installed and isn't even a similar problem to mine despite all the symptoms he's producing. |
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| 04:24.56 | G-Known | Hello? |
| 04:25.04 | G-Known | Anyone here not idle? |
| 04:25.30 | xbanux | yea.. |
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| 04:26.14 | G-Known | So I have a problem with totem not able to play CD audio, with the exception if the audio file is extracted to the desktop. |
| 04:26.54 | G-Known | Seems to me and apparently everyone said that totem unable to handle to play audio file on the mounted drive |
| 04:28.25 | G-Known | People call it a bug, others call it "non feature" function. |
| 04:28.59 | G-Known | Then again, majority people here doesn't seem to be familiar with Totem |
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| 04:44.48 | johnfg | jordanm, a lot earlier today, you mentioned guest additions for virtualbox. The only thing I see for debian squeeze, which is the host, is virtualbox guest source. Is this what I want? |
| 04:45.05 | johnfg | anyone else that knows can answer too. |
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| 04:46.10 | BenNZ | johnfg: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 04:46.32 | johnfg | I just found the virtualbox guest additions, but installing it wants to remove virtualbox! |
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| 04:47.03 | johnfg | BenNZ, I just installed wheezy in virtualbox on my squeeze machine, but I can't get network working. |
| 04:47.08 | BenNZ | johnfg: you install guest additions on the client , not the host |
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| 04:48.43 | johnfg | Oh, ok. Not sure if I'll be able to do that without a network connection. You know which dvd it's on? |
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| 04:50.29 | BenNZ | johnfg: start a vm , press host + d , or devices menu , install guest additions , then mount the virtual dvd , open a terminal , run su -c 'sh VBoxAdditions' |
| 04:50.49 | BenNZ | johnfg: or similiar named file anyway cant think of the exact filename at the moment |
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| 04:52.28 | johnfg | BenNZ, What I thought when I tried that...it failed as it's not connecting to the internet. |
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| 04:52.54 | BenNZ | johnfg: you dont need to be connected to the internet |
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| 04:53.38 | BenNZ | johnfg: there is a section in the help for installing guest additions |
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| 04:55.36 | joecool | hey i think my hosting provider uses older sources than current, their mirror was down and i switched to the main mirror but the system then refused to safe-upgrade, (no packages shown) |
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| 04:56.03 | johnfg | BenNZ, before I do that, the network for virtual box itself looks pretty weird. Where is it getting this IPv4 Address: 192.168.56.1? |
| 04:56.12 | joecool | so i found another mirror for my hosting provider, and updated to that but it ignores the lists (likely) because sources are older than official mirrors |
| 04:56.27 | joecool | any way to tell aptitude to wipe newer sources and use old? |
| 04:56.40 | BenNZ | johnfg: probably from your router , usually vbox would give one like 10.0.0.2 , but check the adapter type etc |
| 04:56.41 | johnfg | My lan for sqieeze os 192.168.0.107. |
| 04:57.34 | johnfg | s/sqieeze/squeeze |
| 04:58.06 | johnfg | I do have a vpn, and this host is 10.8.0.1. |
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| 04:58.37 | BenNZ | johnfg: not sure then sorry , but check your settings |
| 05:00.14 | johnfg | That's weird, because the other machines on this router are all getting something like 192.168.0.10?. |
| 05:00.26 | joecool | nvm i got it |
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| 05:00.47 | joecool | their other mirror has a different link to debian-security than the main does |
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| 05:01.07 | johnfg | Should I change this to an ip like that? |
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| 05:04.33 | BenNZ | johnfg: depends on what connection type your using , i use nat , so whatever vbox gives is fine , but sounds like your needing to use bridged |
| 05:05.12 | BenNZ | johnfg: but as i know next to nothing about vpn's i couldnt say for sure |
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| 05:15.56 | johnfg | BenNZ, I got it going for now, at least in the part i've tested. |
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| 05:16.08 | johnfg | What do I actually need the guest additions iso for? |
| 05:17.22 | BenNZ | johnfg: shared folders , vboxvideo driver |
| 05:17.44 | BenNZ | johnfg: also you might need the extentions pack for usb support |
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| 05:19.29 | johnfg | the net is still a little squirrelly. |
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| 05:25.30 | johnfg | BenNZ, looks like setup for apt is a little different in wheezy than squeeze? Where do I find out what to do? |
| 05:25.50 | BenNZ | johnfg: what are you trying to do with apt? |
| 05:27.30 | johnfg | Just gonna do an aptitude update and aptitude upgrade. |
| 05:27.41 | johnfg | Like I do in squeeze. |
| 05:28.01 | BenNZ | ok |
| 05:30.51 | johnfg | But, it doesn't have the sources.list like I'm used to. |
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| 05:31.25 | BenNZ | johnfg: wheezy still does use a sources.list |
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| 05:48.18 | johnfg | Ok, I'm now doing this with empathy within wheezy. |
| 05:48.24 | mcurran | Anyone here use Nexpose that could help me get it installed on Debian/LMDE? |
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| 05:49.02 | johnfg | bennz: could you paste your sources.list for wheezy? |
| 05:49.16 | johnfg | And how can I paste between host and guest? |
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| 05:56.16 | johnfg | bennz Are you still here? |
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| 05:59.22 | johnfg | Is there a nautilus-open-terminal for wheezy like squeeze? |
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| 06:00.08 | johnfg | Hey BenNZ! You're back! |
| 06:00.29 | BenNZ | johnfg: yes , sorry had to go before |
| 06:00.32 | johnfg | I came back to squeeze because I didn't think you were seein me from in wheezy. |
| 06:00.44 | johnfg | What time is it there? |
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| 06:00.53 | johnfg | It's 11 pm here in Montana. |
| 06:01.14 | johnfg | I've got 323 updates goin! |
| 06:01.34 | BenNZ | johnfg: its 7pm in nz |
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| 06:01.53 | johnfg | tomorrow, sunday, right? |
| 06:02.07 | johnfg | saturday, I meant. |
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| 06:02.53 | BenNZ | saturday |
| 06:02.56 | johnfg | I'm gonna crash pretty soon, but really appreciate your help. |
| 06:03.34 | johnfg | Do you know if there's a nautilus-open-terminal? It didn't show up in synaptic package manager. |
| 06:04.04 | dgriffi | has anyone here used glabels recently to make business cards? |
| 06:04.13 | BenNZ | i dont use gnome , so not sure |
| 06:04.32 | dgriffi | I'm having a problem with the cards being printed about 1cm too far to the right |
| 06:05.02 | johnfg | gnite all! |
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| 06:36.10 | anddam | do I need to create a certificate in order to use TLS? |
| 06:36.58 | MaXim_ | not using one kinda defeats the purpose of TLS |
| 06:37.03 | anddam | or better, I set up exim4/dovecot and somehow I managed to use TLS only, but I thought that I had to do some configuration I'm missing |
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| 06:37.22 | MaXim_ | better to sign your own certificate |
| 06:37.43 | MaXim_ | if you can't afford to sign up to a CA |
| 06:39.13 | anddam | MaXim_: from your first response I understand that they are mutually exclusive, using a certificate (SSL?) | using TLS |
| 06:39.16 | anddam | is that correct? |
| 06:40.00 | MaXim_ | no |
| 06:40.04 | anddam | the point is that I thought that once I set up TLS in exim/dovecot it would have stopped working, that it didn't |
| 06:40.08 | MaXim_ | TLS is just the successor to SSL |
| 06:40.23 | MaXim_ | it is probably using some default certificate that shipped with dovecot |
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| 06:40.56 | anddam | ok I need a tutorial about that, I know the basics of asymmetric cryptography but I nothing practical |
| 06:41.13 | MaXim_ | http://wiki.dovecot.org/SSL/CertificateCreation |
| 06:41.20 | MaXim_ | oops |
| 06:41.23 | MaXim_ | http://wiki2.dovecot.org/SSL/CertificateCreation |
| 06:41.54 | anddam | that I read, actually dovecot on debian has its own certificate-creation script |
| 06:42.02 | MaXim_ | ah |
| 06:42.03 | MaXim_ | did you use it? |
| 06:42.05 | anddam | that was then asking about a CA server |
| 06:42.19 | MaXim_ | you just enter any hostname |
| 06:42.26 | anddam | but since the guide I was following was generic and didn't talk about that I hanged |
| 06:42.58 | anddam | like my server's fqdn… I thought it *needed* something official |
| 06:43.33 | anddam | MaXim_: actually I'm surprised it's working but I'd like to be more familiar with what I did |
| 06:43.40 | MaXim_ | fair enough |
| 06:43.47 | anddam | " MaXim_ | not using one kinda defeats the purpose of TLS " |
| 06:43.56 | anddam | can you further elaborate that one? |
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| 06:44.11 | MaXim_ | the reason why you need a certificate is so a connecting client can verify the authenticity of the server |
| 06:44.46 | MaXim_ | otherwise any old cracker could come along and masquerade as your mail server and nobody would know |
| 06:44.59 | anddam | I see the point |
| 06:45.04 | anddam | why the cracker need to be old? |
| 06:45.15 | MaXim_ | any old as in anyone :P |
| 06:45.21 | MaXim_ | i could do it for example |
| 06:45.40 | MaXim_ | and if you weren't verifying the certificate, you wouldn't know that i'd be intercepting your messages |
| 06:45.48 | anddam | ok I'll watch myself from any suspicious, long white beard sporting guy |
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| 06:46.28 | anddam | how does the certificate help with that? |
| 06:46.46 | anddam | I mean the masqueraded server could just provide a certificate and the client would accept it |
| 06:46.53 | anddam | oh the external Authority, right? |
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| 06:46.56 | MaXim_ | yes |
| 06:47.11 | MaXim_ | preferably, your certificate is signed by one of many "trusted" authorities |
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| 06:47.43 | MaXim_ | although they really all just act as agents for ValiCert lol |
| 06:47.43 | anddam | ok, that's a remote scenario for me, it's a small business and I highly doubt any MiM attack |
| 06:47.56 | MaXim_ | at least if you sign your own certificate, you can accept it once and not worry about it |
| 06:48.00 | anddam | I just didn't want their client to send password in plaintext |
| 06:48.13 | MaXim_ | if the certificate does change (such as man in the middle attack), the client will notify you |
| 06:48.15 | anddam | MaXim_: is TLS actually using a certificate? |
| 06:48.27 | MaXim_ | yes |
| 06:48.45 | MaXim_ | it is one of the steps in the TLS handshake process |
| 06:48.47 | anddam | ok, so I'll have to track those down in exim4.conf and dovecot.conf |
| 06:48.50 | MaXim_ | ask for a certificate |
| 06:48.54 | MaXim_ | indeed you will |
| 06:48.55 | anddam | how do I sign those? |
| 06:49.13 | MaXim_ | you have to create your own certificate authority and generate a certificate for the server |
| 06:49.26 | anddam | any factoid about? |
| 06:49.31 | anddam | that* |
| 06:49.55 | MaXim_ | http://workaround.org/ispmail/squeeze/ssl-certificates |
| 06:49.59 | MaXim_ | this might help a bit more |
| 06:50.10 | anddam | <CA> <rootca> <ssl> |
| 06:50.16 | anddam | thanks a lot |
| 06:50.21 | MaXim_ | no problem |
| 06:50.54 | anddam | so I'm actually using a certificate that isn't verified, is that correct? |
| 06:51.07 | MaXim_ | it might be |
| 06:51.15 | MaXim_ | which is why your mail client never complained |
| 06:51.42 | MaXim_ | but probably a good idea not to use the default certificate, as anybody could have one of those |
| 06:51.58 | anddam | I couldn't really say since I was using GNUmail on OSX for test, so it crashed whenever I hit "GET mail" button |
| 06:52.06 | anddam | I mean I couldn't say if it complained |
| 06:52.11 | MaXim_ | lol |
| 06:52.16 | MaXim_ | well that's your problem to sort out |
| 06:52.34 | anddam | sure thing, I'm installing another client |
| 06:52.44 | MaXim_ | what's wrong with Mail.app? |
| 06:52.54 | anddam | what's a light (== little dependencies) IMAP client with GUI? |
| 06:53.31 | MaXim_ | well theoretically thunderbird doesn't have any dependencies on OS X since they're all included inside the app bundle :P |
| 06:53.42 | anddam | MaXim_: it's bloated and I never cared to set it up, since OSX owz you and I have Google info in my user preferences starting it will fetch megatons of email messages |
| 06:53.56 | anddam | s/owz/ownz/ |
| 06:54.18 | anddam | no I meant on Debian |
| 06:54.22 | MaXim_ | oh ok |
| 06:54.32 | MaXim_ | I just use thunderbird on Debian |
| 06:54.51 | MaXim_ | mutt if I don't feel like using a GUI |
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| 06:55.27 | MaXim_ | anyways, love to stay and chat but I must prepare dinner :) |
| 06:55.31 | MaXim_ | wagyu steak awaits |
| 06:55.53 | anddam | ok I just had breakfast |
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| 06:56.00 | anddam | we're in an amazing century |
| 06:56.03 | anddam | thanks again |
| 06:56.39 | anddam | I spent most of my time in CLI but I don't like reading email/usenet in it |
| 06:57.08 | anddam | probably I just have to still see a comfortable client, possibly someting with vim-like shortcuts |
| 06:57.36 | anddam | also next big topic: my terminal font sucks |
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| 07:28.35 | russ_ | I've just found out that my wheezy install is prioritizing my wireless interface over my wired (GigE) interface, Looking into how to fix this I've tried setting 'metric' priorities with ifconfig, but it is failing. |
| 07:29.07 | russ_ | digging further I see that I may need to fiddle with my routing tables to fix this |
| 07:29.24 | russ_ | Am I way off track here? Seems like a standard thing to just prioritize wired over wireless... no? |
| 07:29.36 | anddam | and found console-setup |
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| 07:30.15 | anddam | russ_: how did you configure network? |
| 07:30.42 | russ_ | anddam: which part? I didn't do much... it is all dhcp |
| 07:31.10 | russ_ | so far it "just worked", but I just ran iperf tests between local machines and confirmed wireless was in use |
| 07:31.38 | mcurran | Weird. I previously installed LMDE/Wheezy and all 3 of my wireless were detected and had their modules installed/working. This time only one was detected and installed. The broadcom is 4318 and I've done the usual, with b43-fwcutter and extracted the firmware to /usr/lib/firmware... but ifconfig does not show the device, nor does lspci. |
| 07:31.45 | russ_ | 20 Mbps, then disable wireless, jumps to 990 Mbps |
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| 07:32.31 | anddam | russ_: I would check /etc/network/interface and see if there's an order in ethX |
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| 07:33.03 | anddam | russ_: I really don't know how auto-magic network configuration works |
| 07:33.15 | mcurran | ah, I think you're right. I forgot you had to add wlan1 and wlan2 in there. |
| 07:33.54 | mcurran | do you remember the file that holds the static naming convention, so I can redefine wlan0 and so on, so they get named according to my preference |
| 07:33.56 | russ_ | anddam: hmm - eth0 is listed as "allow-hotplug eth0" ... never seen that before |
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| 07:34.39 | russ_ | anddam: and no mention of th wireless in there?? http://pastie.org/pastes/6028291/text |
| 07:35.03 | anddam | you're running some network manager |
| 07:35.31 | anddam | but I don't know how these work, I usually manually set up what little config I need |
| 07:35.32 | mcurran | probably |
| 07:35.39 | mcurran | don't know which one, hold on |
| 07:35.49 | mcurran | I had the same thing, the hotplug crap |
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| 07:35.57 | russ_ | NetworkManager Applet 0.9.4.1 |
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| 07:36.16 | anddam | probably it has a meaning to define the sorting order of ifaces |
| 07:36.16 | russ_ | came stock with debian (xfce) ... I did not add it |
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| 07:36.30 | mcurran | yeah |
| 07:36.37 | anddam | can't help you with that |
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| 07:36.42 | russ_ | dang |
| 07:37.02 | mcurran | /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 07:37.55 | russ_ | mcurran: is that for me? |
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| 07:38.30 | mcurran | no, i was answering my own question. To redefine the naming convention if you want. |
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| 07:38.42 | russ_ | ah |
| 07:38.51 | mcurran | just make sure you enter the correct lsusb / device id info. |
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| 08:02.12 | phorce1 | is copying complete directories any faster with a tar pipe than just using cp -ar when the number/aize of files is VERY large (hundreds of Gigabytes of files ranging from hundreds of megabytes to 2 gigabytes in size)? |
| 08:02.31 | phorce1 | s/aize/size/ |
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| 08:10.41 | phix | phorce1: That is a very interesting question |
| 08:10.52 | phix | When you find the answer out I would be intertested to know what it was |
| 08:11.05 | phix | Who uses Lenny any more? |
| 08:11.32 | phorce1 | I just asked on OFTC also. Figured everybody here was off doing weekend things |
| 08:12.03 | phorce1 | phix: I'm still on Lenny. Need to build my local mirror before I start upgrading machines |
| 08:12.14 | phix | I am about to do a weekend thing |
| 08:12.31 | phix | You should skip Squeeze and go directly to Wheezy |
| 08:12.36 | phorce1 | I only go out on Saturday nights since Sunday is the only day I don't work |
| 08:12.46 | phix | 7:12PM here |
| 08:12.51 | phix | Time for scotch |
| 08:13.03 | phorce1 | phix: I lied ... Got the order mixed up. I'm on Squeeze |
| 08:13.07 | phix | It is Saturday here |
| 08:13.22 | phorce1 | phix: It's 0200 Saturday here |
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| 08:13.39 | phix | 17hrs hey |
| 08:14.00 | phorce1 | I just dumpd the Lenny mirror files off the drives. Have squeeze, need to add Wheezy |
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| 08:14.43 | phorce1 | I think some friends are DJing at a club tonight. I'll probably go |
| 08:15.14 | phorce1 | creates only painful noise when trying to mix or remix |
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| 08:15.48 | phix | I have flash in my eyhes |
| 08:15.56 | phix | nice |
| 08:16.21 | phix | *IDSH IDSH ODSH ODSH* or *RAARGGHHJ WUB WUB WUB WUB WUB!* |
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| 08:16.46 | phorce1 | I should probably get some sleep. I have to take apart an IdeaPad N585 to replace the LCD later. First one I've had in the shop |
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| 08:16.59 | phix | you should probably answer my question |
| 08:17.01 | phix | it is importabnt |
| 08:17.29 | phorce1 | Tonight probably DibStep, Maybe a little trance remixes |
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| 08:17.48 | phix | aah |
| 08:17.52 | phix | so WUB WUB WUB WUB! |
| 08:18.13 | phix | ??? |
| 08:18.17 | phorce1 | If my heart doesn't stutter a little ... It's not low enough. |
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| 08:18.34 | phix | ah |
| 08:19.18 | phorce1 | Have to take a sec and get your breathing back on track if you walk in front of a monitor |
| 08:19.57 | phix | ok |
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| 08:25.29 | phorce1 | Oops ... looks like the weekends go switched around. There'll be a few indie/folk/psychedelic bands instead ... hmmm, to go or not to go |
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| 08:27.34 | phorce1 | is gone. Starting te next leg of copying the 2TB drive. Watching my system performance go to crap for a few hours |
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| 09:01.15 | juk | why apt-get hangs on install/update, goes up to 50% and freezes |
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| 09:01.40 | juk | says 'waiting for headers' |
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| 09:16.00 | juk | why apt-get hangs on install/update, goes up to 50% and freezes |
| 09:16.05 | juk | says 'waiting for headers' |
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| 09:21.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell juk -about bat |
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| 09:21.41 | babilen | juk: Please include the exact command, it's entire output and your sources.list |
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| 09:33.59 | ross` | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release Unable to find expected entry unstable/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 09:34.04 | ross` | apt-get update fail |
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| 09:35.53 | Pinchiukas | What is the correct way to make cron-apt upgrade the packages automatically? |
| 09:36.07 | babilen | ross`: Could you run "curl http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release | head" and show me the output on http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 09:36.54 | babilen | ross`: Also include the entire output of that run and your sources.list please |
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| 09:45.33 | babilen | ross`: I assume that you have something like "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze unstable ..." in your sources.list, but that is mere conjecture |
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| 09:54.29 | fr0ggie | If youtube or other flash stuff on chrome gives "Couldn't load plugin" the fix is at https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/chrome/PEgELQH5zcg/c5lHKwslBcwJ -- basically rm -r ~/.config/google-chrome/PepperFlash/ |
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| 09:55.11 | Pinchiukas | Anybody can tell me how to make cron-apt mail me on errors AND when it upgrades something? |
| 09:56.05 | fr0ggie | hope it helps some people! |
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| 09:59.57 | TheGrey | o/ I have no audio. I though my computer has reverted to ALSA. But in the tint2 volume conrtrol settings for some bizzare reason there is *Connection to Pulse Audio Failed*. Why and how can I make it connect to ALSA?! |
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| 10:18.38 | TheGrey | o/ Is someone wants to remove pulseaudio should they remove the libraries for it too> |
| 10:18.41 | TheGrey | *? |
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| 10:23.14 | savask | Hello. I was trying to install wine on a 64bit Debian 6.0.6 and ended with wine asking me to enable multiarch and install wine-bin:i386. But apt-get says that there is no package wine-bin. What should I install instead of it? |
| 10:26.13 | EmleyMoor | savask: The clue is in the message: wine-bin:i386 - that package should be available if you have enabled multiarch |
| 10:26.49 | savask | EmleyMoor: But I have enabled multiarch and it's still not available. |
| 10:27.08 | EmleyMoor | Have you done apt-get update? |
| 10:27.14 | savask | Yes. |
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| 10:27.34 | EmleyMoor | savask: Can you tell me, step by step, what you did? |
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| 10:28.29 | savask | su; then dpkg --add-architecture i386; then apt-get update; then apt-get install wine-bin:i386 |
| 10:28.41 | tlund | I need help trying to figure out the correct way to preseed "iso-scan". I have several isos in different directories on my media, and the installer selects the wrong one. I have tried different combinations on both kernel command line and in the preseed file. none of the examples i find on google seems to work. |
| 10:28.43 | savask | EmleyMoor: And then it said that there is no such a package. |
| 10:29.39 | EmleyMoor | savask: Can you pastebin your sources.list and the output from that last command? |
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| 10:31.23 | EmleyMoor | Also, /var/lib/dpkg/arch |
| 10:31.37 | savask | EmleyMoor: http://pastebin.com/GjuAgtEf Output is in Russian, so you probably won't understand. |
| 10:31.53 | savask | EmleyMoor: That file contains two words: amd64 and i386 |
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| 10:33.42 | EmleyMoor | Right - so that has taken. Indeed, I probably won't understand Russian output - but maybe someone here will... that package does exist, I have it. |
| 10:35.10 | savask | EmleyMoor: Well, basically it says: Packages containing "wine-bin:i386" haven't been found, no packages were installed, updated or removed. |
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| 10:37.52 | EmleyMoor | That's it, a one-liner? |
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| 10:38.16 | savask | EmleyMoor: Ehm, that was a main idea. |
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| 10:41.21 | Anuska | is the same, my computer is crashed again, but i dont see any log :(( |
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| 10:54.06 | savask | EmleyMoor: Can you, please, show me your sources.list? |
| 10:55.26 | EmleyMoor | http://paste.debian.net/231177/ |
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| 10:56.06 | EmleyMoor | Basically line 3 is the one that matters |
| 10:56.41 | savask | Is there any difference in wheezy and wheezy-updates? |
| 10:56.54 | savask | Cause I have wheezy-updates and you have just wheezy. |
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| 10:57.31 | EmleyMoor | You have testing, which is currently wheezy |
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| 10:58.05 | EmleyMoor | Your first line is my line 3, effectively |
| 10:58.27 | savask | Right... |
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| 11:04.54 | Avernos | how can i scan wireless networks from the terminal? |
| 11:04.58 | Avernos | on wheezy? |
| 11:05.09 | Avernos | tried iwlist: command not found |
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| 11:05.38 | Anuska | http://wiki.debian.org/iwconfig |
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| 11:06.18 | Anuska | Avernos, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-wpa-wpa2-wireless-wifi-networking/ |
| 11:06.35 | Anuska | and http://pc-freak.net/blog/how-to-connect-to-wifi-network-using-console-or-terminal-on-gnu-linux/ |
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| 11:08.12 | Avernos | oh man.. |
| 11:08.17 | Avernos | i just had to apt-get update... |
| 11:08.51 | Anuska | debian is for women :P |
| 11:09.17 | Waxhead | Could someone please shed some light on what the current status is with systemd adoptationn (if any)!? I personally have no strong feeling for or against systemd but I do find the topic interesting and from what I've read portabillity is the main showstopper. What are the current plans?! |
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| 11:10.54 | octol | I'm quite interested in this as well |
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| 11:15.50 | gnarface | Waxhead, octol: i'm not an official source but the general understanding i got from overhearing others talk about it is that its 1) broken, 2) buggy, 3) all its for is parallelizing the boot process which is something debian already did natively years ago |
| 11:16.40 | gnarface | Waxhead, octol: basically, there's no demand for it from anyone who has actually timed debian booting up |
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| 11:18.06 | Waxhead | gnarface: well I think I can agree with 1 and 2 at least from testing the package in wheezy. As for 3 systemd are supposed to bring other nice features as well, just not speeding up the boot process afaik. But as for booting who on earth reboots a Linux system so often that you would actually benefit from <unknown seconds> speedup in boot time anyway.... ;) |
| 11:19.09 | gnarface | Waxhead, octol: so, in other words, 5+years ago debian's "why the hell would you bother, but debian bothered anyway" is now today's ubuntu's "OMGZ GUYS WE GOTTA ALL HAVE THIS NOW!!! PARALLEL BOOT FTW OMGZ!!!" |
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| 11:19.34 | Waxhead | picks his nose.... |
| 11:22.06 | Waxhead | ...well speeding up the boot process might be useable on other evil operating systems that bears the name of something you put in your wall and look out through and now appears to be something you might (willingly I might add) step on. |
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| 11:24.02 | octol | I did not know that the boot process was already parallel |
| 11:24.05 | octol | interesting |
| 11:24.10 | octol | good ot know |
| 11:24.50 | Waxhead | octol: have a look at /etc/init.d/README |
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| 11:31.39 | kukac | Hi, I would like to use the ada parser from gcc, but it seems that the directory that contains eg. par-utils.adb is not installed. I installed too the gcc source package, but it is impossible to find. What package should I check/install? I am perplexed |
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| 11:50.49 | dawud | ,versions gnat |
| 11:50.50 | judd | Package: gnat on i386 -- lenny: 4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4.4+1; sid: 4.6; wheezy: 4.6 |
| 11:51.01 | dawud | kukac: ^^ maybe |
| 11:51.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell kukac -about apt-file |
| 11:52.26 | dawud | FWIW, apt-file search par-utils.adb returns nothing on my system |
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| 11:56.20 | babilen | Yeah. No idea why kukac thinks that it exists somewhere. |
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| 11:59.18 | boodie | Hi, I'm trying to print from Windows 7, via wireless, to CUPS (Linux box: debian stable). I managed fine until yesterday, no problem, then it stopped working, CUPS log says "bad URI" from the device 198.168.0.3 (which is the W7 laptop) ... any hints? |
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| 12:01.39 | dawud | boodie: I'd try the usual workflow in a windows machine, which would go along the lines of deleting the printer and adding it again |
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| 12:03.11 | drphitheta | Can anyone help me get mpd in debian wheezy? |
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| 12:03.24 | drphitheta | I see it in sid, but I'd prefer an official repo version |
| 12:03.53 | SomeoneWeird | 'official'? |
| 12:04.27 | drphitheta | I could download it from the website, but I'd rather have it 'tracked'? I guess from an official source |
| 12:04.39 | drphitheta | for updates, etc. |
| 12:06.35 | kukac | babilen: because it is contained in the official gnat source package |
| 12:06.38 | boodie | dawud: tried, no use. If I put the printer URL ("http://192.168.0.2:631/printers/Officejet ... ") in IExplorer, I can browse the CUPS page, print a test page perfectly ... when it comes to installing a printers in Win7, it doesn't print. CUPS detects a bad URI and that's that. |
| 12:07.53 | drphitheta | How can I find out which component a pkg is in? |
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| 12:08.31 | kukac | bablilen, dawud: it is strange, because all other libraries are in the adainclude directory, but not those that are necessary to the compilation |
| 12:08.36 | dawud | boodie: well, that means CUPS is up and running, I'm sorry but I can't help with the windows end, I'm quite ignorant in that respect |
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| 12:09.04 | boodie | There's something more: what happened is, I conneceted via VPN to the company, and it blocked the connection to CUPS, or any other net, I suppose, but when I got out the VPN, the printing never worked again ... |
| 12:09.27 | homes | drphitheta: dpkg -S /path/file |
| 12:10.00 | drphitheta | homes: For a pkg I don't have installed? |
| 12:10.21 | drphitheta | I don't know which component to add to my repo to get a certain pkg(mpd)? |
| 12:10.23 | dawud | boodie: maybe establishing a VPN modified routing in the w7 machine? (no idea) |
| 12:10.37 | homes | drphitheta: oh, i see |
| 12:10.57 | homes | drphitheta: as in music player daemon? |
| 12:11.02 | drphitheta | I checked the wheezy online repo, but that have 'sections'? |
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| 12:11.12 | boodie | Well, as many I have a poor opinion of Windows :-) , so I'm little surprised that things go wrong on that side (CUPS work flawlessly, on the debian box, of course) ... |
| 12:11.21 | dawud | drphitheta: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/mpd |
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| 12:11.34 | drphitheta | dawud: I check that, but it doesn't list the component |
| 12:11.51 | dawud | drphitheta: because it's a virtual package maybe? |
| 12:12.16 | babilen | kukac: So you are saying that the file you want/need is part of upstreams tarball - but not shipped in the Debian package even though you would expect it to in a binary package? |
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| 12:12.24 | drphitheta | dawud: No idea :/ |
| 12:12.27 | homes | Package: mpd |
| 12:12.28 | homes | Versions: |
| 12:12.28 | homes | 0.15.12-1.1 (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_binary-i386_Packages) |
| 12:12.33 | homes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:12.56 | dawud | drphitheta: anyways, apt-file (search) is what you need |
| 12:12.57 | ompaul | ,versions mpd |
| 12:12.58 | judd | Package: mpd on i386 -- lenny: 0.13.2-3lenny1; squeeze: 0.15.12-1.1; wheezy: 0.16.7-2; sid: 0.17.1-1 |
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| 12:13.09 | ompaul | homes: ^^ cleaner way of doing it ;-) |
| 12:13.16 | homes | nods |
| 12:13.20 | homes | this is a new bot! |
| 12:13.39 | ompaul | that depends on how you #define new |
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| 12:13.48 | dawud | :) |
| 12:13.59 | drphitheta | I get the version numbers, I just need the component the package resides in so I can add it to my repo |
| 12:14.05 | drphitheta | I have main contrib non-free |
| 12:14.11 | ompaul | wols: did he bother to come back? |
| 12:14.25 | ompaul | wols: the root error |
| 12:14.26 | babilen | homes: http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ |
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| 12:14.37 | dawud | drphitheta: is apt-cache show mpd useful? |
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| 12:15.06 | drphitheta | Ahh, it says it's purely virtual |
| 12:15.16 | drphitheta | What does that mean? ^.^ |
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| 12:16.41 | wols | ompaul: didn't see (or cared) and I had some connection problems: irssi segfaulted and not long ago apt-get did too. I guess some part of this cheap thing here is dying :( |
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| 12:17.52 | dawud | drphitheta: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackage#Virtual_Package |
| 12:19.31 | ompaul | wols: ah and :-( |
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| 12:19.53 | jellow | I've just purchased a laser mp4-m7t and it crashed Xorg and fdisk -l gets stuck in a loop trying to list it as does lsusb , here is dmesg http://paste.debian.net/231185/ . I would like to mount it and put / remove music |
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| 12:22.30 | BeWilled | Anyone know of a debian distro that ONLY comes with aditional non free drivers? |
| 12:22.49 | jellow | I've never come across anything as vile as this music player makes apple devices look linux friendly |
| 12:23.17 | ompaul | jellow: well here is the good news that is a lenny kernel |
| 12:23.31 | wols | BeWilled: there is only one debian distro. and you can get debian or debian with firmware blobs for the installer |
| 12:23.46 | jellow | ompaul: I need to upgrade kernel i take it ? |
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| 12:24.03 | ompaul | I'd be loath to use lenny at this point or even try to support it, I'm not going to say squeeze will work for you because I don't know what software you have installed |
| 12:24.36 | ompaul | jellow: BUT if you have a default lenny and no crazy repos in there it should work just ask the bot |
| 12:25.12 | ompaul | !lenny -> sqeeze |
| 12:25.16 | BeWilled | wols: where can I find debian with firmware blobs? |
| 12:25.32 | ompaul | dpkg lenny -> sqeeze |
| 12:25.32 | dpkg | ompaul: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 12:25.48 | ompaul | dpkg lenny->sqeeze |
| 12:25.48 | dpkg | i don't know, ompaul |
| 12:26.16 | wols | !tell BeWilled about firmware images |
| 12:26.18 | ompaul | drat actully jellow do this /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze <<< no spaces and it will tell you |
| 12:27.07 | ompaul | jellow: is it a lenny box or something older? if it is older it might be faster to do a backup and clean install but that's an opinion not an instruction |
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| 12:27.33 | ompaul | jellow: even if it is lenny it might still be faster to do it cleanly depending on your bandwidth |
| 12:27.39 | BeWilled | wols: wow thanks for this. it will save me loooots of time |
| 12:27.59 | jellow | ompaul: Sort of confused at the moment I thought I was on squeeze these are my repos http://paste.debian.net/231187/ , perhaps I just need to update more often ? |
| 12:28.35 | ompaul | jellow: you have a backported kernel backported to lenny |
| 12:29.11 | ompaul | jellow: that was a crunchbang box all bets are off it was never debian it might look like but it is what we call frankendebian |
| 12:29.15 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 12:29.15 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 12:29.43 | ompaul | jellow: clean install of squeeze, take a while and check out what debian testing in the form of wheezy would offer |
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| 12:30.03 | ompaul | jellow: then choose |
| 12:31.27 | ompaul | jellow: crunchbang is not nor will it ever be debian it is different and we don't support it, you could ask them but hey that is your call, however the rule is if crunchbang no support jhere we don't know what or how they changed stuff it's not debian that much is for sure or it would be called debain |
| 12:31.31 | ompaul | debian even |
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| 12:32.36 | jellow | ompaul: This of course makes me sad but hey its all in th game you've got your turf and what not , thank you anyway |
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| 12:35.24 | ompaul | jellow: it's not a game, they make something change debian, we don't know and as you see it is not what we have nor to we have lots of calls. It does look to me like you need your kernel sorted, and upgrading and talking to them might find you a solution. It is a bit like getting a car modding it and expecting the main dealer to know the specs of the mod. They could find out but it is not core to the operation. |
| 12:35.43 | ompaul | wow enoparse |
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| 12:37.10 | ompaul | jellow: it's not a game, they make some change to debian, we don't know what it is, as you can see it is not what we have. is how the first bit should have read. |
| 12:39.01 | jellow | ompaul: I was joking I understand completely same for any major distro channel , I just thought would give it a go here first as I've had great help here in the past :D |
| 12:39.03 | kukac | babilen: exactly. At the main site, the tarball contains it: http://libre.adacore.com/download/configurations/gnat-gpl-2012-src.tgz |
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| 12:40.18 | ompaul | jellow: I think the phrase get with the debian might help you more - the rest is candy on the window dressing |
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| 12:41.39 | kukac | babilen: I expect it on my system in the /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.6/rts-native/adainclude/ directory |
| 12:42.13 | kukac | babilen: some parts of the tarball are there, but the parser part etc |
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| 12:42.31 | babilen | ,v gnat |
| 12:42.32 | judd | Package: gnat on i386 -- lenny: 4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4.4+1; sid: 4.6; wheezy: 4.6 |
| 12:42.57 | babilen | kukac: Which version are /you/ referring to and which version does that tarball correspond to? |
| 12:43.25 | kukac | judd: I have installed gnat-4.6, but it does not contain aformentioned files |
| 12:43.26 | judd | No package named 'have' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 12:44.15 | babilen | kukac: So this is on wheezy or sid? |
| 12:44.43 | kukac | babilen: I think, it is sid, it is linux mint debian edition which uses debian apt source files |
| 12:45.03 | ompaul | !mint |
| 12:45.03 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 12:45.20 | ompaul | kukac: what I said about crunchbang applies |
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| 12:46.30 | kukac | ompaul: what is it? |
| 12:46.44 | babilen | kukac: Well, take it to the correct channel and consider filing a bug /on their bugtracker/ -- I'll stop investigating this issue now. Have a nice day! |
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| 12:48.50 | kukac | babilen: thanks. BTW, linux mint debian edition uses debian packages from debian |
| 12:48.51 | ompaul | kukac: we don't do other distros |
| 12:49.00 | ompaul | kukac: why isn't it called debian? |
| 12:49.22 | ompaul | kukac: because they change things - what - we don't know |
| 12:50.01 | kukac | ompaul: ok, thanks, I am trying there. |
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| 12:59.08 | kukac | ompaul: just one more question: there is a way to browsee the source package on debian repositories? |
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| 13:03.28 | ompaul | that was neither a statement or question http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages ;-) |
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| 13:45.24 | babilen | glongo: What are you really trying to do? |
| 13:46.02 | glongo | babilen: for my some test, i need to add cflags BIG_SECURITY_HOLE to apache2 |
| 13:46.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell glongo -about package recompile |
| 13:46.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell glongo -about debian/rules |
| 13:47.14 | glongo | thanks |
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| 14:01.01 | Macca- | is it possible to find what libraries i have installed that aren't used by anything and remove them? |
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| 14:03.03 | et | Macca-: aptitude does that kind of automatically |
| 14:03.36 | Macca- | but if i happen to uninstall something that references a library at some point, but choose not to uninstall it's dependencies |
| 14:03.45 | Macca- | hwo can i find out later what's been orphaned? |
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| 14:06.32 | anddam | Macca-: can you actually understand your own penultimate line? |
| 14:07.25 | Macca- | ideally i just want to get rid of any unused crap |
| 14:07.30 | Macca- | that i may have installed along the way |
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| 14:09.21 | anddam | you should do some search using the right query parameters |
| 14:09.33 | anddam | like nothing depends on it and I didn't explicitly installed it |
| 14:09.54 | anddam | there's a page about aptitude's flags in docs |
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| 14:10.12 | anddam | that's assuming that aptitude didn't already clean those, like et said |
| 14:11.30 | Macca- | hmm k |
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| 14:23.13 | dawud | Macca-: there's deborphan, which includes orphaner |
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| 14:26.12 | bool | my root user has better looking java-fonts than my regular user using openjdk-6-jre. why? and how to fix? |
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| 14:28.49 | Macca- | thanks |
| 14:29.37 | glongo | anyone know the error "undefined reference to `SSLv2_client_method" ? |
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| 14:35.04 | Towzzer | glongo, maybe you don't have openssl installed? |
| 14:35.06 | Towzzer | just a random guess |
| 14:35.19 | un214 | hey I just discovered something |
| 14:35.35 | un214 | it is possible to install linux to a GPT disk without a supporting bios |
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| 14:36.43 | Towzzer | Is it booting off it? |
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| 14:36.55 | un214 | ya |
| 14:36.56 | un214 | lilo |
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| 14:40.01 | Guest8954 | is syslinux ok to use instead of grub |
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| 14:40.41 | un214 | uhh syslinux doesn't boot hard disks unless you have fat12 |
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| 14:41.01 | un214 | which means your fat partition is less than 8 mb |
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| 14:46.23 | kukac | babilen: the aformentioned packages come directly from debian, their maintainer is a debian member... |
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| 15:09.21 | pav5088 | Do the wheezy Samba4 packages actually work? I'm getting the following error : Error loading module '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba//vfs/acl_xattr.so': /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba//vfs/acl_xattr.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:10.11 | pav5088 | I can find others with the same problem and bug reports, but nothing on if this is a show stopper bug, or if there's a workaround. |
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| 15:19.03 | crilly | I keep getting a 'Fatal error' during installation whilst trying to install GRUB to the MBR on /dev/sda. Any ideas where to even begin looking for a cause/fix? |
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| 15:23.01 | metasansana | Debian Stable won't boot after I install to a 16GB usb. |
| 15:23.15 | metasansana | Any tips on installing/troubleshooting this? |
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| 15:23.32 | metasansana | I just get a black screen with cursor. |
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| 15:25.35 | crilly | Err, OK. Debian is trying to GRUB to /dev/sda... yeah that's the USB installer, Debian. It needs to write /dev/sdb. *sigh* does it manually |
| 15:26.04 | Traucet | Not a Debian specific question I guess..I am using Debian as a development environment. Have Apache, MySQL, PHP installed. Question is I need someway to test emails coming from my development sites. I n Windows I used Antix SMTP server for developers. When googling I find lots of articles about setting up an e-mail sever, but this all seems for production. This is just development, Any suggestions? |
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| 15:27.27 | metasansana | Traucet: You could write a script that just dumps the email to a file |
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| 15:27.40 | metasansana | and name it /bin/sendmail |
| 15:27.43 | metasansana | or whatever |
| 15:28.24 | anddam | [D/close |
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| 15:28.46 | metasansana | #!/bin/bash cat $1 >> email.file |
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| 15:32.55 | Traucet | metasansana: Hmm, sounds like it would work. I will get to googling how to accomplish that. |
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| 15:34.38 | pupuser944b3a | anybody use SSD ? |
| 15:34.49 | crilly | Needless to say, this is a bug in the installer. |
| 15:34.52 | crilly | pupuser944b3a: Yes. |
| 15:35.19 | pupuser944b3a | pupu are they reliable ? |
| 15:35.49 | crilly | Did you just ask your self that question? |
| 15:36.03 | metasansana | lol |
| 15:36.09 | pupuser944b3a | crilly got it wrong, when replying, i asked you :) |
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| 15:36.53 | crilly | Yes they are reliable. If you want Enterprise reliability, get an SLC SSD for four times the price. |
| 15:37.03 | metasansana | crilly: How did you find out where debian was writing to the installer? the log? |
| 15:37.29 | crilly | I have customers who have several RAID1s with SLC SSDs in them pushing GBs per second in throughput - these are production systems. |
| 15:37.46 | crilly | metasansana: It tells you. The error messages states where it's trying to write to. |
| 15:37.51 | metasansana | ok |
| 15:37.58 | crilly | You can also pull up a console and look in /dev |
| 15:38.02 | metasansana | I'm trying to find out why the hell it won't boot |
| 15:38.34 | metasansana | hmmm, maybe the issue is with GRUB |
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| 15:39.00 | metasansana | well between power on and GRUB at least |
| 15:39.25 | pupuser944b3a | hard disk is dying :( badly.. more and more COMMRESET :( |
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| 15:40.48 | crilly | :( |
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| 15:40.59 | crilly | How long have you had it? Is it a cheap'o SSD? |
| 15:41.13 | krisfremen | w/g 35 |
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| 15:41.34 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 15:41.55 | johnfg | I'm running wheezy in virtualbox, and working and looking pretty good so far. |
| 15:41.57 | pupuser944b3a | crilly no, actually i have a regular hard disk / mecanic, but it is on its way out.. failure more and more on daily basis, hence i must seriously think of a replacement |
| 15:42.02 | johnfg | All updates applied. |
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| 15:42.41 | johnfg | However, I installed nautilus-open-terminal so I can right click on the desktop and get a terminal, but it's not working. |
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| 15:43.38 | johnfg | The dm is gnome3, but not with all features as this older hardware doesn't allow it. Is there another way to get the equivalent of nautilus-open-terminal? |
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| 15:43.43 | crilly | pupuser944b3a: I hope you've got a good backup plan :) |
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| 15:45.58 | pupuser944b3a | crilly not that much unhappily, only part of it was backup.. i did a "full" backup.. when it crashed.. and now each time i try to recover, force mkfs, to check for badblock first.. the next round, it looks it finds other badblocks.. definitly a dying hard disk, only windows seems to work.. as of now |
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| 15:46.00 | metasansana | johnfg did you logout and log back in? |
| 15:46.09 | johnfg | metasansana: Yup |
| 15:46.15 | metasansana | hmmm |
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| 15:46.23 | metasansana | It should work. |
| 15:46.33 | pupuser944b3a | but curiously barely at the same time, i started to see disk failure on another machine (desktop) ? |
| 15:46.42 | metasansana | This sounds silly but: try a reboot |
| 15:46.43 | johnfg | metasansana: And the mouse works fine and normal for all else, afaik. |
| 15:47.12 | johnfg | metasansana: That's actually what I did in the vm; so not so silly. |
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| 15:48.14 | pupuser944b3a | i wonder if this could be my first real hard disk failure in 30 years :( |
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| 15:50.25 | metasansana | johnfg: Crap gnome3! I've never tried it sorry. |
| 15:50.41 | johnfg | metasansana: What are you using for wheezy? |
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| 15:51.32 | metasansana | they are all servers, I'm going to put xfce on this one if I could just get it to boot |
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| 15:52.27 | johnfg | metasansana: I'm using xfce4 with gentoo. mebbe I should trash this vm of wheezy and start over. |
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| 15:52.52 | johnfg | Seems to me like it might not be trivial to get rid of all gnome3 stuff. |
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| 15:54.08 | moebius_eye | Hello everybody |
| 15:54.14 | metasansana | johnfg: afraid it messes up your settings? back up /home |
| 15:54.56 | johnfg | metasansana: No need, as my production machine/server is running squeeze. I *could* just delete wheezy from the vm. |
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| 15:57.38 | metasansana | wow this channel is pretty dead for 1294 people! |
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| 15:58.08 | metasansana | that's like an irc army. |
| 15:58.47 | johnfg | over a brigade! |
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| 15:59.07 | moebius_eye | Hey, I have a friend who wants to install mpd. It seems it isn't in the wheezy repos. |
| 15:59.38 | dvs | ,v mpd |
| 15:59.40 | judd | Package: mpd on i386 -- lenny: 0.13.2-3lenny1; squeeze: 0.15.12-1.1; wheezy: 0.16.7-2; sid: 0.17.1-1 |
| 15:59.58 | moebius_eye | Could it be because he installed a amd64 debian version? |
| 16:00.11 | dvs | ,v mpd amd64 |
| 16:00.12 | judd | Package: mpd on amd64 -- lenny: 0.13.2-3lenny1+b1; squeeze: 0.15.12-1.1; sid: 0.17.1-1 |
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| 16:00.35 | moebius_eye | Thanks judd. :) |
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| 16:13.54 | Jimmothy | is there a command to install xfce4 exactly like it would have been from the install options upon initial install? |
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| 16:17.35 | jda2000 | after I apt-get source whatever and then cd whatever can I be sure that the right thing to do is ./configure with no options? Will that cause the build to go exactly as it did for the binary package in the repository? |
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| 16:18.14 | Traucet | Pretty sure checking GUI in initial install would install gnome. Although, XFCE can be installed via an advanced installation, I have never done so. |
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| 16:19.51 | ilius | hi |
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| 16:20.58 | ilius | I know how to create debian source and binary packages, I also made a ppa repo in launchpad, now I want to register my package to debian's official repo, what should I do? |
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| 16:21.06 | crilly | Would I use http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting to report a bug on the mini.iso Debian installer? |
| 16:21.45 | abrotman | yes, there's a metapackage for that |
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| 16:23.30 | crilly | Indeed. Cheers. |
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| 16:23.48 | jda2000 | ... or is there some place I should look for how the official packager invoked ./configure? |
| 16:24.08 | jda2000 | assuming he did.... |
| 16:24.17 | metasansana | ilius: grab the debian maintainers guide |
| 16:25.08 | ilius | metasansana: thanks |
| 16:27.24 | bool | how do I create a symlink that also passes an command line option? ln -s "<target> -option" <linkname> does not seem to work. it gives me command not found when i run <linkname> |
| 16:28.15 | jda2000 | the thing is, I just built mpd from source to compile in the avahi code. It took me a while to catch the fact that the make install was putting it at a different location from the original install. |
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| 16:29.09 | jda2000 | this is an issue with ./configure, true? |
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| 16:30.51 | sharky | bool, I can only suggest that you can use "alias" for your command as a workaround |
| 16:31.13 | jda2000 | am I asking a FAQ question? |
| 16:32.35 | bool | hmm, ok |
| 16:32.36 | bool | thanks :) |
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| 16:33.29 | sharky | bool, I have not tried it myself, just a thought, but you can try it and see if it will work |
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| 16:39.04 | Traucet | Cant believe its so hard to set up a dummy smtp server for testing purposes |
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| 16:40.54 | et | "aptitude install postfix"? |
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| 16:43.00 | Traucet | I saw postfix, but did not see how to capture all emails internally. Although, metasansa suggests writing a script to forwars all outgoing emails to file, which I have not figw to do either. LOL |
| 16:46.39 | Traucet | Wonder if dumbster would work event though it is a wheezy package. |
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| 16:51.35 | jda2000 | is there a channel where people will discuss building from source? |
| 16:52.55 | jda2000 | s/will/can/ |
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| 16:57.32 | ompaul | jda2000: do you mean building debian packages so you can install stuff on your debian box? |
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| 16:59.33 | jda2000 | ompaul , yes. |
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| 17:00.16 | jda2000 | I just built mpd to compile in avahi support |
| 17:01.23 | ompaul | !mentor |
| 17:01.23 | dpkg | from memory, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 17:01.28 | ompaul | jda2000: ^^ |
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| 17:01.43 | jda2000 | the question I often have is what ./configure options did the debian developer use? |
| 17:02.03 | dondelelcaro | jda2000: in general, you can find that out in debian/rules |
| 17:02.41 | jda2000 | dondelelcaro , thanks! |
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| 17:02.57 | dondelelcaro | (but you'll have to look at the source package) |
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| 17:04.20 | jda2000 | sure I remember there was a debian directory in the source tree I got from apt-get source. |
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| 17:24.13 | drasko | Trying to apt dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy I get : E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'phonon-backend-vlc'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. |
| 17:24.20 | drasko | what to do to resolve this ? |
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| 17:26.51 | dondelelcaro | drasko: depends. if you can upgrade apt-get first, the newer apt-get will be likely to find a workaround |
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| 17:27.50 | drasko | dondelelcaro, I can not upgrade it |
| 17:28.10 | drasko | there are unmet dependencies |
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| 17:29.03 | drasko | I removed multimedia from the sources.list dor now |
| 17:29.07 | drasko | *for now |
| 17:29.26 | drasko | Now it says : E: Couldn't configure pre-depend xml-core for docbook-xml, probably a dependency cycle. |
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| 17:34.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell drasko -about immediate configuration |
| 17:34.23 | babilen | drasko: Thanks for testing the upgrade path! |
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| 17:35.15 | drasko | babilen, dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove phonon-backend-vlc which isn't installed |
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| 17:38.00 | themill | drasko: you need to remove "phonon" as well |
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| 17:38.26 | drasko | themill, will upgrade work without Python ? |
| 17:38.43 | themill | apt doesn't use python -- but why do you ask? |
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| 17:38.58 | drasko | themill, how to remove python |
| 17:39.11 | jhutchins_wk | drasko: Why? |
| 17:39.40 | drasko | jhutchins_wk, to continue dist-upgrade |
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| 17:39.59 | themill | drasko: why do you believe you need to do that? Can you pastebin the full output for us? |
| 17:40.24 | drasko | themill, output of what ? apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 17:40.41 | themill | whatever output is making you think that you need to remove python |
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| 17:41.11 | deed02392 | how do I force an ntp update? |
| 17:41.47 | deed02392 | ntpd -g has no effect |
| 17:41.53 | abrotman | did you read the man page about it? |
| 17:41.57 | drasko | http://pastebin.com/hdtc74Vr |
| 17:42.19 | deed02392 | yes abrotman |
| 17:42.25 | deed02392 | I installed the ntp package |
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| 17:42.35 | themill | drasko: right -- so what does that have to do with python? |
| 17:42.48 | deed02392 | I want to force an update with a big step change |
| 17:42.54 | deed02392 | sometimes days |
| 17:42.56 | drasko | themill, you told me that python has to be removed |
| 17:43.10 | drasko | <themill> drasko: you need to remove "phonon" as well |
| 17:43.10 | abrotman | deed02392: google does hav the answer .. |
| 17:43.10 | themill | drasko: phonon... not python. |
| 17:43.14 | edakiri | deed02392: You need '-q' |
| 17:43.21 | drasko | whoops |
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| 17:43.32 | edakiri | deed02392: ntpd -qg |
| 17:43.34 | deed02392 | ntpd -q ? |
| 17:43.39 | drasko | what is phonon ? |
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| 17:43.58 | deed02392 | nope, neither of those are changing the system time (as given by `date` |
| 17:44.01 | deed02392 | I've tried those already from google/manpage |
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| 17:44.26 | themill | drasko: kde sound libraries |
| 17:44.30 | edakiri | drasko: a hypothetical particle form of a sound atom. Or a sound software. |
| 17:44.35 | deed02392 | i've set the time with date -s to midday today, it's now 17:44 |
| 17:44.36 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: what does date report? |
| 17:44.45 | deed02392 | that it's about 10 mins passed 12 now dondelelcaro |
| 17:45.08 | deed02392 | i did a date when I first installed ntp and it was accurate |
| 17:45.08 | deed02392 | set the time to test forcing an update over several hours |
| 17:45.11 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: and this is on the machine that you're running ntpd? |
| 17:45.15 | deed02392 | and the solutions given online for forcing that update isn't working |
| 17:45.22 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: and ntpd is running now? |
| 17:45.39 | drasko | http://pastebin.com/LueRpcpP |
| 17:45.43 | deed02392 | i presume I am, I installed the ntp package |
| 17:45.43 | deed02392 | yes ntpd is running |
| 17:45.44 | drasko | can not remove phonon |
| 17:45.52 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: have you modified the ntpd configuration? |
| 17:46.19 | deed02392 | not at all dondelelcaro |
| 17:46.24 | deed02392 | this is a completely fresh debian install |
| 17:46.27 | edakiri | I take back what i wrote about 'ntp -q' . '-q' is to set and then exit -- which may not be what you want. |
| 17:46.30 | xauth | deed02392: ntp can take quite some time to get sync and start updating your time. |
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| 17:46.48 | themill | drasko: see what dpkg told you earlier: "dpkg -r --force-depends phonon" |
| 17:46.53 | deed02392 | i just want to say 'update the time now regardless of the change in time' |
| 17:47.04 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: ntpd will do that when it first starts. |
| 17:47.12 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: if you've got it wrong now, restart ntpd. |
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| 17:47.23 | deed02392 | how long? can I see progress? |
| 17:47.23 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: once you've restarted ntpd, give us the output of ntpq -c peers |
| 17:47.34 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: it does it immediately. Then it slews. |
| 17:47.53 | deed02392 | i get 4 random servers |
| 17:47.56 | deed02392 | i can't copy and paste it because it's in a VM |
| 17:48.04 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: so? output it to a file and scp it. |
| 17:48.11 | xauth | deed02392: dunno, but it's probably not minutes. Except perhaps with -g. See man page. |
| 17:48.15 | dondelelcaro | or use pbinit |
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| 17:48.28 | deed02392 | what are you looking for in it, it'd be easier that way |
| 17:48.29 | drasko | Ok, now situation semms to be even worst : |
| 17:48.30 | drasko | http://pastebin.com/ca8DriD8 |
| 17:48.47 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: I want to see the entire output. |
| 17:48.54 | et | commmand | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us |
| 17:49.02 | et | gives you an url with the output |
| 17:49.38 | deed02392 | ok ntpd -g has just worked suddenly |
| 17:49.49 | xiaoy | Ìû |
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| 17:50.13 | deed02392 | it is indeed taking quite a long time from issuing the command to the sys time actually updating |
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| 17:50.21 | themill | drasko: what does "aptitude full-upgrade" want to do now? |
| 17:50.21 | dondelelcaro | and this is a VM? |
| 17:50.23 | dondelelcaro | heh. |
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| 17:50.52 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: VMs often don't handle time properly. Time should be set correctly from whatever system the VM is running on. |
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| 17:51.23 | deed02392 | thing is I want to use snapshots |
| 17:51.29 | drasko | No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n] |
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| 17:51.58 | deed02392 | and when I revert to these snapshots talk to another server which requires the clocks be in sync for authentication |
| 17:52.03 | dondelelcaro | so use a snapshot, then restart ntpd after you resume |
| 17:52.25 | dondelelcaro | or have the resume do a htctosys call, or similar. |
| 17:52.37 | dondelelcaro | whatever VM system this is should already have hooks to do that |
| 17:52.51 | dondelelcaro | (since this is a common problem) |
| 17:53.03 | deed02392 | yeah dondelelcaro but restarting /etc/init.d/ntp restart and ntpd -g doesn't update the time instantly |
| 17:53.11 | themill | drasko: apt really struggles on squeeze->wheezy at the moment, as you'll have seen... Say no to that. We're at the stage now where we're just going to have to rip some bits out and then get it to complete the upgrade and then reinstall them |
| 17:53.28 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: no, it takes time for it to calculate round trip time to the time server, and resolve the time servers, etc. |
| 17:53.44 | themill | drasko: what does "aptitude -f install" want to do? |
| 17:53.53 | deed02392 | ok I think i've figured the trick |
| 17:54.13 | deed02392 | i've got to restart ntpd THEN issue ntpd -g |
| 17:54.13 | deed02392 | then it updates within a few seconds |
| 17:54.14 | deed02392 | if i just do ntpd -g nothing seems to happen for several minutes |
| 17:54.27 | drasko | I am trying... |
| 17:55.31 | deed02392 | that is, if i just do ntpd -g after changing the time with date -s |
| 17:55.46 | xauth | deed02392: ntpd -g sets the time once, but keeps running to keep it synced. |
| 17:56.16 | drasko | No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n] |
| 17:56.33 | deed02392 | so subsequent calls to ntpd -g do nothing then? |
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| 17:57.06 | xauth | deed02392: it would be unwise to have multiple ntpd's running, fighting to keep the clock in sync. |
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| 17:57.44 | deed02392 | does it allow that by default then |
| 17:57.44 | xauth | deed02392: If you want to set the clock once, first make sure no ntpd is running in the background. |
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| 17:58.18 | deed02392 | okay |
| 17:58.18 | deed02392 | so that's why it was being ignored |
| 17:58.18 | deed02392 | ntpd was already running |
| 17:58.20 | themill | drasko: hmmph. Try removing amarok and then see if apt-get can work out what to do next (dpkg -r amarok; apt-get -f install) |
| 17:58.31 | xauth | deed02392: Just do not run multiple ntpds. |
| 17:58.41 | drasko | did this already ;) |
| 17:58.48 | drasko | same situation |
| 17:58.53 | deed02392 | i don't intend to |
| 17:59.21 | ghost75 | somebody willing to help me with nfs4 exports? |
| 17:59.50 | drasko | themill, these should be removed also, right : http://pastebin.com/kK5ebxGZ |
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| 18:00.39 | themill | drasko: that's not "apt-get -f install" -- what did it want to do? |
| 18:00.48 | ghost75 | showmount is displaying the export on remote client but i cant mount it (shows no such file) |
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| 18:01.49 | drasko | http://pastebin.com/y0HYmsZb |
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| 18:04.25 | ZitZ | hi, if I setup an ssh tunnel connection for myself, is it possible to whitelist only specific mac-addresses? |
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| 18:06.53 | xauth | ZitZ: ssh does not know about mac addresses, for all I know. |
| 18:07.25 | ZitZ | that's what I was thinking |
| 18:07.47 | themill | drasko: we can keep pursuing this manually, but I wonder what "aptitude install kde-standard" wants to do. |
| 18:09.00 | drasko | I am trying this |
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| 18:10.21 | drasko | themill, No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n] |
| 18:10.42 | drasko | themill, can I force remove of all kde ? I do nto use it anyway... |
| 18:11.01 | themill | would have been easier to do so prior to starting the upgrade |
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| 18:12.16 | themill | drasko: just manually get rid of those bits that apt was complaining about then (dpkg -r ...) and then try again with apt-get -f install. |
| 18:12.31 | drasko | ok, let's try this |
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| 18:12.56 | qoreqyas | *rrrrrrrr1q1~~ |
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| 18:17.03 | edakiri | drasko: you could remove kdelibs and all which depends on it. |
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| 18:17.23 | xiaoy | Ìû |
| 18:17.42 | edakiri | drasko: eg. remove kdelibs5-data |
| 18:18.08 | drasko | seems to be proceeding after removing several packages |
| 18:18.13 | drasko | so dist-upgrade |
| 18:18.14 | themill | xiaoy: can we help? |
| 18:18.23 | drasko | is doing something |
| 18:19.01 | drasko | it asks me now for default display manager : gdm or gdm3. Which one is recommended ? |
| 18:19.32 | xiaoy | themill, sorry a guy trying to send me a file in another chat room |
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| 18:19.47 | themill | drasko: gdm3 |
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| 18:27.40 | qoreqyas | jjjjjjjjjj9~z6-äökmjkkkkkkkkkyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyùùùùù8→↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 18:27.46 | qoreqyas | 19:11 < themill> would have been easier to do so prior to starting the upgrade |
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| 18:33.35 | herpy | anyone here have experience with e17? |
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| 18:36.05 | abrotman | herpy: ask your real question please |
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| 18:36.57 | herpy | well I am using e17 on Debian Sid and when I load a new theme or restart e17 in any way the icons in my systemtray vanish |
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| 18:40.37 | babilen | qoreqyas: ping me if you need help / want to be unquieted |
| 18:40.54 | babilen | (/msg that is) |
| 18:41.58 | babilen | herpy: Have you checked the BTS for reports about that problem? Can you reproduce it with a new user / with the default configuration? (last time I checked e17 was very beta, but granted that was shortly before its release ... like 8 years ago ;) ) |
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| 18:43.03 | abrotman | is he actually using the sid packages for e17? |
| 18:43.07 | herpy | I've searched high and low and canno't find a fix |
| 18:43.40 | herpy | I always had this problem with e17 no matter the distro |
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| 19:07.49 | edakiri | herpy: If it is all distros, then it is probably something an upstream issue. |
| 19:08.22 | herpy | Yeah, I'll just use trayer or another systemtray only app |
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| 19:31.20 | touki | Do someone have an idea how to solve the "operation not supported" problem when opening trash or computer with gnome desktop ? |
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| 19:35.13 | scooty_puff | have you tried 'nautilus ~/.Trash'? |
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| 19:36.08 | zykotick9 | scooty_puff: i don't use gnome/nautilus (anymore), but i thought they moved .Trash to some other location... |
| 19:37.35 | abrotman | touki didn't say which version of gnome either |
| 19:38.25 | touki | abrotman:2.3 |
| 19:38.34 | touki | abrotman I'm on stable distrib' |
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| 19:40.15 | babilen | touki: And what exactly is the problem? Could you try doing the same with a new user? |
| 19:41.28 | touki | babilen: the problem is with nautilus, it says "Can't display network://" or trash or computer. |
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| 19:42.49 | touki | (I don't know if it's linked, but I have a general mounting problem too) |
| 19:42.52 | babilen | touki: Are you sure that that is the /exact/ message? Isn't it "Could not display ..." ? |
| 19:42.58 | markovh | is there anyway to subscribe to the bugs for a package? |
| 19:43.20 | touki | babilen: probably my desktop is in french ;) |
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| 19:44.20 | babilen | touki: Alright. What is that mounting problem you refer to? |
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| 19:45.01 | abrotman | markovh: yes |
| 19:45.41 | korholan | hi guys. I managed to scramble up my framebuffer by apparently using the wrong mplayer vout. is there some way to get it neat again? |
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| 19:46.08 | babilen | markovh: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#subscribe |
| 19:46.15 | touki | it's maybe a different source, but it might be linked. Nothing is never mount except if I use pmount / pumount (I installed it to temporary solve the problem) |
| 19:46.50 | babilen | touki: When do you get the message you refer to? Does it happen with a new user too? |
| 19:46.51 | touki | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/231255/ here is the error message with mounting |
| 19:47.08 | touki | Wait, I'll try it |
| 19:47.13 | markovh | babilen: that's for subscribing to an individual bug |
| 19:47.17 | markovh | not to all bugs for a package |
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| 19:47.45 | babilen | markovh: Ah, okay :) |
| 19:47.57 | markovh | abrotman: can you elaborate? |
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| 19:49.14 | markovh | oh wait i see, there's a link in the bottom left hand cornor of packages.qa.debian.org |
| 19:49.15 | markovh | nvm |
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| 19:51.29 | touki | babilen: ok, i've just adduser, the problem is the same |
| 19:51.36 | touki | even with a new one |
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| 19:53.17 | edakiri | korhojoa: some times changing VTs. |
| 19:54.26 | korhojoa | edakiri: nope. no success. I tried launching links2 in graphical mode, but that didn't help either |
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| 20:02.54 | alanjf | Can someone please tell me the proper way to parse a line from a deb control/package/status file that looks like: |
| 20:02.57 | alanjf | Depends: mobilesubstrate (>= 0.9.2966-1), libvncserver, com.saurik.iphone.ske, preferenceloader, jp.ashikase.mousesupport | firmware (<< 3.0), libstatusbar | firmware (<< 4.0) |
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| 20:03.33 | alanjf | I know it's comma separated, but I'm really not sure how to interpret the | parts. I realize it's some sort of alteration, but how would one parse this? |
| 20:04.33 | alanjf | (I'm writing code in Perl to do this but I just can't figure out the proper way to parse the contents of Depends: lines |
| 20:04.47 | alanjf | Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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| 20:07.37 | themill | alanjf: there's already perl and python code out there to do this -- don't reinvent the wheel. |
| 20:07.43 | edakiri | korhojoa: you could try fbset , but i doubt it will work. |
| 20:07.59 | themill | ,i libdpkg-perl |
| 20:08.00 | judd | Package libdpkg-perl (perl, optional) in squeeze/i386: Dpkg perl modules. Version: 1.15.8.13; Size: 678.7k; Installed: 1764k; Homepage: http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Dpkg |
| 20:08.00 | digdilem | alanjf, you could also look at the source of existing dpkg tools for inspiration |
| 20:08.20 | themill | alanjf: ^^ the canonical place for such information is debian policy, btw. /msg dpkg policy |
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| 20:12.32 | abyxcos | Does anyone know a good guide offhand for installing debian off another running system? |
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| 20:13.03 | abrotman | which other running system? |
| 20:13.09 | abyxcos | Gentoo. |
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| 20:13.26 | abrotman | on the same computer, or preparing a separate HDD ? |
| 20:13.32 | rndnick464 | how do you distribute data via bittorrent? is there a howto? how does debian do it? |
| 20:13.37 | abyxcos | Got a zfs root partition, and I don't really feel like doing more surgery with live-cds. |
| 20:13.40 | abrotman | rndnick464: yes |
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| 20:13.57 | abyxcos | abrotman: New partition. |
| 20:14.03 | abrotman | debootstrap ? |
| 20:14.05 | rndnick464 | abrotman: didn't find it - do you have a link? |
| 20:14.17 | abrotman | rndnick464: it distributes installer CDs via bittorrent |
| 20:14.26 | rndnick464 | abrotman: yes, but how? |
| 20:14.39 | rndnick464 | abrotman: what do i have to do to do the same |
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| 20:15.18 | abyxcos | abrotman: Ahh, fancy. |
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| 20:15.49 | rndnick464 | abrotman: which tracker to install? which software to use to create the .torrent files? |
| 20:16.12 | abyxcos | abrotman: I feel like the wiki page is mocking me thugh. "for instance, you can use debootstrap to install Debian onto an unused partition from a running Gentoo system." |
| 20:16.17 | alfplayer | my question too, if there is a script to configure debian after installing it using debootstrap |
| 20:16.44 | abrotman | rndnick464: cna't help you there ...never done it myself |
| 20:16.50 | rndnick464 | abrotman: or does trackerless actually work? web seed and that .... i am really confused |
| 20:16.54 | abrotman | abyxcos: heh |
| 20:16.59 | abrotman | rndnick464: i don't torrent much |
| 20:17.11 | Miesco | Does wicd use wpasupplicant? |
| 20:17.14 | rndnick464 | abrotman: thanks anyway |
| 20:17.15 | abyxcos | rndnick464: Most torrent clients can create the .torrent files. |
| 20:17.40 | rndnick464 | abyxcos: do you have an example (cli prefered) |
| 20:17.48 | abyxcos | rndnick464: I've never used the debian tracker, but my assumption would be that debian.org is just hosting the tracker. |
| 20:18.08 | abyxcos | rndnick464: c/d/e/ftorrent, whatever prefix it's going by these days. |
| 20:18.12 | alfplayer | rndnick464: you just create a torrent, specify a tracker, and seed it |
| 20:18.43 | rndnick464 | if i do "btshowmetainfo ./debian-6.0.6-amd64-CD-1.iso.torrent" output includes "announce url..: http://bttracker.debian.org:6969/announce" |
| 20:18.47 | abyxcos | rndnick464: It was ctorrent/dtorrent that last time I pulled it down on a bsd system, not sure what Linux/Debian ahve. |
| 20:18.50 | acx0 | are there any disadvantages to setting umask to 027? I'm debating if I should since I have a ~/public_html dir which requires ~/ to be o+x, but this allows other users on my server to read my files |
| 20:19.21 | rndnick464 | alfplayer: and if i want to run my own tracker? |
| 20:19.51 | abyxcos | rndnick464: Try wiki for that. I don't know what people use for tracker software. |
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| 20:20.14 | rndnick464 | i really didn't expect it to be that complicated ... |
| 20:20.20 | alfplayer | rndnick464: there must be a real reason to do that, as there are already many tracker services |
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| 20:20.42 | rndnick464 | alfplayer: i prefer to be able to do all stuff myself |
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| 20:21.04 | rndnick464 | after all that is why i like debian |
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| 20:22.38 | Deesl | rndnick464: if you like doing things *yourself* you should try LFS |
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| 20:22.54 | Deesl | if you think you are using debian and doing things yourself, then you are in illusion |
| 20:23.01 | Deesl | trolls ;) |
| 20:23.04 | rndnick464 | Deesl: i don't want to do things myself |
| 20:23.15 | rndnick464 | Deesl: it should only be possible |
| 20:23.26 | abyxcos | rndnick464: Running a server is always complicated/tedious/etc. |
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| 20:23.36 | rndnick464 | abyxcos: have my own server running |
| 20:23.46 | Deesl | so you want to have a food that you don't want to eat |
| 20:23.49 | rndnick464 | abyxcos: it runs just fine - thanks to debian! |
| 20:23.52 | abyxcos | rndnick464: And I bet you just downloaded a web client, and hit go? |
| 20:23.52 | Deesl | that is some logic :D |
| 20:24.13 | abyxcos | (I mean you can do that in Opera...) |
| 20:24.29 | abyxcos | But for the majority of software, the client and server are separate programs (packages, even.) |
| 20:24.52 | Deesl | abyxcos: I remember a thing I saw on the Yahoo Email Sign in page a few days ago... The new master of Digital Universe... YOU |
| 20:24.59 | Deesl | felt like saying.. yeah up your arse |
| 20:25.40 | rndnick464 | ?? |
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| 20:27.18 | rndnick464 | really don't get it |
| 20:27.28 | abyxcos | Get what? |
| 20:27.31 | Deesl | never mind |
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| 20:27.49 | rndnick464 | if i want to setup a web server there are clear instructions how to do it |
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| 20:28.00 | abyxcos | Also, how hard are initrd's to create on debian? |
| 20:28.23 | abrotman | update-initramfs -u |
| 20:28.35 | rndnick464 | if i want to setup a complete torrent-bases solution, i really can't find any instructions |
| 20:28.41 | abyxcos | rndnick464: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BitTorrent_tracker_software |
| 20:28.43 | rndnick464 | use some service foo |
| 20:28.48 | rndnick464 | abyxcos: been there |
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| 20:30.29 | abyxcos | rndnick464: http://erdgeist.org/arts/software/opentracker/ |
| 20:30.33 | abyxcos | rndnick464: Seems simple enough. |
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| 20:31.39 | LittleFoot | :D |
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| 20:31.53 | rndnick464 | abyxcos: not in debian |
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| 20:32.20 | abyxcos | rndnick464: Not even ./configure, just run make. |
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| 20:32.57 | rndnick464 | abyxcos: i want a solution where the software is part of debian (stable prefered) |
| 20:33.26 | abyxcos | rndnick464: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 20:33.39 | abyxcos | rndnick464: File a bug for the inclusion of the package? |
| 20:33.50 | abyxcos | Or send me 20euro and I'll make a .deb for you. |
| 20:34.01 | abrotman | ... |
| 20:34.14 | abyxcos | abrotman will do it for only 15euro. |
| 20:34.15 | rndnick464 | if the answer is: this is not possible using debian, then ok |
| 20:34.24 | abrotman | abyxcos: enough |
| 20:34.30 | abrotman | rndnick464: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:34.36 | abyxcos | It's possible using debian. Debian has a compiler in the repository... |
| 20:35.12 | rndnick464 | abrotman: distribute data via bittorrent without relying on external services / tracker |
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| 20:35.37 | rndnick464 | abrotman: similar how debian distributes its isos |
| 20:35.50 | abrotman | rndnick464: there are programs in Debian to create torrents .. |
| 20:35.56 | alanjf | themill: I would still like to know how it actually breaks down. |
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| 20:36.08 | abrotman | rndnick464: but i'm not sure about the "external" tracker bit |
| 20:36.09 | alanjf | themill: does "mobilesubstrate (>= 0.9.2966-1), libvncserver, com.saurik.iphone.ske, preferenceloader, jp.ashikase.mousesupport | firmware (<< 3.0), libstatusbar | firmware (<< 4.0)" |
| 20:36.13 | alberto | Hi |
| 20:36.21 | rndnick464 | what runs bttracker.debian.org ? |
| 20:36.24 | themill | alanjf: policy describes this. |
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| 20:36.48 | alanjf | themill: break down into: "mobilesubstrate (>= 0.9.2966-1), libvncserver, com.saurik.iphone.ske, preferenceloader, jp.ashikase.mousesupport" OR "firmware (<< 3.0), libstatusbar" OR "firmware (<< 4.0)" ? |
| 20:37.03 | alberto | See this topic http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=698322 Exist the possibility of being included in the DVD of Debian which is greater? |
| 20:37.25 | rndnick464 | Server: mimosa |
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| 20:37.33 | themill | alanjf: it is comma separated; as I said earlier, /msg dpkg policy |
| 20:37.44 | abrotman | alberto: say again? |
| 20:37.57 | alberto | See this topic http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=698322 Exist the possibility of being included in the DVD of Debian which is greater? |
| 20:37.59 | alanjf | themill: but I'm confused how the | separated sections break down |
| 20:38.07 | abrotman | alberto: which is greater? |
| 20:38.09 | alanjf | themill: And I'm not familiar with this policy you meantion |
| 20:38.26 | alberto | greater = big |
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| 20:38.40 | alberto | sorry for my bad english rs |
| 20:38.41 | themill | dpkg: tell alanjf about policy |
| 20:38.45 | abrotman | alberto: still not making sense .. |
| 20:38.46 | abrotman | !br |
| 20:38.47 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 20:39.17 | alberto | The dvd of debian is larger than the Cd |
| 20:39.21 | alanjf | themill: thanks |
| 20:39.32 | abrotman | alberto: the installer is the same in both |
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| 20:40.59 | alberto | He says that the Dvorak layout does not fit on the CD. |
| 20:41.31 | alberto | But is the DVD could have more layouts in the list. |
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| 20:43.32 | rndnick464 | ah this one looks good: http://wiki.tryphon.eu/how_to_use_bittorrent |
| 20:44.00 | rndnick464 | (maybe a bit dated) |
| 20:44.15 | abrotman | alberto: ask him on the bug, asking us won't really help |
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| 20:45.17 | abrotman | alberto: but it seems pretty clear, he says it makes the installer too bloated |
| 20:45.45 | alberto | I've asked, but if have a developer here. |
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| 20:46.15 | abrotman | alberto: he told you why he won't do it .. if you want to persuade him, do it in the bug, we can't help you with that bug |
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| 20:46.56 | mikehaas763 | I saw that someone brought up a discussion on some mailing lists about enabling ACL on Debian by default. Does anyone know where this left off? Is it something that may be considered still? |
| 20:46.57 | alberto | The feature on the DVD would be nice. |
| 20:47.26 | alberto | abrotman: ok |
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| 20:49.16 | dondelelcaro | mikehaas763: uh, as far as I know, ACL is supported by ext3 by default in Debian. |
| 20:49.20 | Akuw | hi |
| 20:49.29 | Akuw | i installed firmware-realtek_0.28+squeeze1_all.de |
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| 20:49.44 | Akuw | but i can see my wifi card when i do ifconfig |
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| 20:51.36 | mikehaas763 | dondelelcaro, I think it is supported, but not enabled. As far as I know you have to enable ACL in /etc/fstab and then install the facl utilities |
| 20:52.00 | mikehaas763 | I just don't see why it's not something that is a default |
| 20:53.13 | dondelelcaro | mikehaas763: you don't need the facl utilities to have it enabled. You have to have the acl utilities installed to change acls, but that's not that surprising. |
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| 20:53.36 | dondelelcaro | mikehaas763: The default mount options for ext3 at least include turning on ACLs. |
| 20:53.46 | dondelelcaro | mikehaas763: you have to specifically specify noacl to disable them |
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| 20:54.00 | dondelelcaro | (if you're using some other filesystem, then it may not support acl, or may have different defaults) |
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| 20:55.34 | dondelelcaro | ah; sorry; it looks like it's the default for ext4 now. |
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| 20:56.29 | Toby12 | Hey, I'm new to debian and want to install Keepass2. What do I have to do to install newer packages? Almost everything is install via apt is very old (6.0.6) |
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| 20:56.32 | mikehaas763 | dondelelcaro: Ah, I see. Do you happen to know if what the "default" filesystem for Deb 7 is going to be |
| 20:56.56 | abrotman | !tell Toby12 about squeeze->wheezy |
| 20:57.19 | mikehaas763 | !tell mikehaas763 about squeeze->wheezy |
| 20:57.25 | mikehaas763 | I wanna try it ha |
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| 20:57.51 | drasko | HI all, on upgrade from squeez to wheezy, I am hitting error : Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/gdb_7.4.1-3_i386.deb |
| 20:58.05 | Akuw | i installed firmware-realtek_0.28+squeeze1_all.de |
| 20:58.07 | Akuw | but i can see my wifi card when i do ifconfig |
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| 20:59.37 | abrotman | drasko: pastebin please |
| 20:59.53 | Toby12 | abrotman, "remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates" really commend out those lines? |
| 21:00.04 | Toby12 | ...comment |
| 21:00.07 | abrotman | comment, but yes |
| 21:00.13 | abrotman | !tell Toby12 about wheezy sources.list |
| 21:00.19 | Toby12 | thanks |
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| 21:03.18 | themill | drasko: Hi again! what's the full output of "apt-get -f install" |
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| 21:03.52 | Akuw | hi abrotman |
| 21:04.08 | drasko | abrotman, themill, I am currently running "apt-get -f install" , it is setting-up a bunch of packages |
| 21:04.20 | Akuw | abrotman: i installed firmware-realtek_0.28+squeeze1_all.de in thinkpad l420 |
| 21:04.28 | Akuw | but i can see my wifi card when i do ifconfig |
| 21:04.46 | blast_hardcheese | That was kind of weird; I booted Windows inside of virtualbox from a physical partition on my laptop; Windows applied updates and restarted by itself. I didn't notice as the VM rebooted, went through grub, and then happily booted what I'm currently booted into. |
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| 21:05.02 | abrotman | Akuw: hi ? |
| 21:05.40 | blast_hardcheese | In the past, system boot has waited for my input since ext3 wasn't "cleanly unmounted" (true, it's currently in use), but I didn't get that error this time. |
| 21:06.03 | drasko | themill, apt-get -f install went OK. What now ? Should I restry "apt-get dist-upgrade" ? |
| 21:06.07 | drasko | *retry |
| 21:06.13 | blast_hardcheese | Is this a feature of ext4, and should I be worried about filesystem corruption? |
| 21:06.29 | abrotman | drasko: sure |
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| 21:06.54 | Anuska | hi, what is diference from: auto eth0 and allow-hotplug eth0 in interface? |
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| 21:07.48 | blast_hardcheese | Anuska: auto starts when the system starts, allow-hotplug ifdown/ifup on hotplug of the cable |
| 21:08.11 | blast_hardcheese | Anuska: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#list-of-stanzas-in-eni |
| 21:08.23 | drasko | themill, abrotman : http://pastebin.com/GRvYyNew |
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| 21:09.06 | Anuska | about allow-hotplug, if i unplug the cable the eth0 , eth0 dissapair no? |
| 21:09.17 | abrotman | dpkg: tell drasko about overwrite |
| 21:09.21 | Anuska | if i plugin eth0, upload the info in eth0 |
| 21:09.29 | blast_hardcheese | Anuska: "Disappear"? |
| 21:09.56 | nathan28 | o/ #debian, i'm building a VPS and trying to get python 3.3 on it--i should enable sid then, correct? i don't entirely get the security patching policy w/ sid |
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| 21:10.08 | blast_hardcheese | Anuska: Try /sbin/ifconfig -a, it will show interfaces that are down as well |
| 21:10.17 | Anuska | thanks |
| 21:10.30 | Anuska | reboot |
| 21:10.31 | blast_hardcheese | nathan28: use testing, not sid |
| 21:10.36 | drasko | abrotman, if I understood well, I have to do : "apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install gdb" ? |
| 21:10.39 | abrotman | no, use wheezy, not testing |
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| 21:11.01 | abrotman | nathan28: and you really shouldn't use wheezy on a system that's on the internet .. it has no security support yet |
| 21:11.13 | nathan28 | abrotman: gah rtfm strikes again |
| 21:11.20 | blast_hardcheese | abrotman: Why not use testing? Ah, that makes sense. |
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| 21:13.10 | nathan28 | i'm an arch user, this whole 'version' thing makes my head hurt :| |
| 21:13.26 | abrotman | !tell nathan28 about releases |
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| 21:14.42 | drasko | What does it mean : The following packages have been kept back: libboost-dev ? |
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| 21:15.29 | abrotman | !tell drasko about held back |
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| 21:18.05 | mikehaas763 | Does anyone know what the default FS will be in Deb 7? Will they be moving up to ext4> |
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| 21:20.32 | drasko | abrotman, themill : all seem to be OK now... I think I am ready for reboot |
| 21:20.44 | drasko | Any last check that should be done ? |
| 21:21.22 | Towzzer | ext4 |
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| 21:22.01 | drasko | i.e. how to verify that distribution was upgraded well, and thet it is safe to try rebooting into new system ? |
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| 21:26.24 | onebitxajax | hi to all |
| 21:26.27 | onebitxajax | hi to all |
| 21:26.41 | onebitxajax | can someone tell why there is a cron that run every tot |
| 21:26.45 | onebitxajax | Feb 2 22:15:01 localhost CRON[5594]: (root) CMD (command -v debian-sa1 > /dev/null && debian-sa1 1 1) |
| 21:26.52 | onebitxajax | what it mean? |
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| 21:31.55 | Forty-3 | I'm trying to purge postfix |
| 21:32.05 | Forty-3 | but it then says that it must install exim |
| 21:32.30 | Forty-3 | how can I get apt-get to purge postfix without installing exim? |
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| 21:32.54 | dvs | Forty-3: I think you must have a mail transport agent of some sort. |
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| 21:34.05 | abrotman | Forty-3: install another MTA .. if you want something simple, use nullmailer |
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| 21:56.10 | ghaud | what streaming clients (mms, m3u8, etc.) are recommended for Debian? |
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| 22:19.57 | mmnicolas | ghaud: recommended ? theres too many to recommend just one |
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| 22:20.23 | thomasd | Hello everybody |
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| 22:21.37 | thomasd | I'm trying to setup a custom daemon, but I have troubles with the update-rc.d |
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| 22:21.46 | thomasd | I got the message "start runlevel arguments (none) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 4 5)" |
| 22:22.01 | abrotman | !tell thomasd about lsb tags |
| 22:22.03 | thomasd | what did I do wrong ? |
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| 22:22.29 | mmnicolas | thomasd: specify runlevels |
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| 22:25.42 | anigma | what flag should I use to avoid answering those prompts when removing a file? |
| 22:26.15 | dvs | -f |
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| 22:27.03 | thomasd | abrotman, thanks ! Here is my header, is there something wrong with it ? http://pastebin.com/8Qa9RERR |
| 22:27.12 | thomasd | mmnicolas, thanks, how ? |
| 22:27.29 | mmnicolas | thomasd: this header is just for informational purposes |
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| 22:28.13 | mmnicolas | any particular reason you didn't use the asterisk shipped with debian ? |
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| 22:28.30 | mmnicolas | im sure there are backports if youre using squeeze |
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| 22:30.06 | thomasd | mmnicolas, I am using the asterisk shipped with debian, this is another script which connects to asterisk manager and listen for events (and then will pause and restart transmission bittorent when I'm making a call to free bandwidth) |
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| 22:30.39 | mmnicolas | oh, that's cute |
| 22:30.50 | thomasd | and, http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts says this header is not just informational |
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| 22:31.30 | thomasd | but I need this script to start on boot for it to be of any use |
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| 22:31.31 | mmnicolas | thomasd: a quick read of update-rc.d's man page is likely to solve your issue, you probably just got the syntax wrong |
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| 22:31.33 | thomasd | :-) |
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| 22:33.57 | Akuw | i configured iptables, but every time i restart all config is lost |
| 22:34.11 | anigma | where can I find the default virtual host file that comes with apache? The one you get when you install apache right away, not talking about the one in /etc/apache2/sites-available which I've modified now. |
| 22:35.26 | mmnicolas | Akuw: yes thats how it works, you typically put it in a script somewhere in etc/networking/if-up.d |
| 22:35.47 | Akuw | hooo, ok |
| 22:35.49 | Akuw | thanks |
| 22:36.10 | mmnicolas | Akuw: that looks interesting: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 22:36.27 | thomasd | mmnicolas, well a quick read of update-rc.d did not solve my issue ... unless ... do I need to create the rcN.d symlinks befor or is update-rc.d supposed to create them for me ? |
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| 22:36.55 | mmnicolas | thomasd: what is the update-rc.d command you're doing |
| 22:37.34 | thomasd | update-rc.d astransk default |
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| 22:38.16 | thomasd | (astranks is the name of my script, starting it with service astransk start works) |
| 22:38.16 | zombie05 | hello |
| 22:39.01 | mmnicolas | and this command returns ? what you pasted earlier ? |
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| 22:40.29 | thomasd | mmnicolas, The command returns http://pastebin.com/VasG5w9B |
| 22:40.56 | mmnicolas | thomasd: try with update-rc.d astransk defaults |
| 22:41.34 | thomasd | mmnicolas, that's what I'm doing |
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| 22:43.56 | mmnicolas | cause you had no s |
| 22:44.14 | mmnicolas | and you built that file using the skeleton in /etc/init.d ? |
| 22:46.44 | mmnicolas | try update-rc.d astransk start 2345 |
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| 22:59.01 | drphitheta | mpd for amd64 is not in wheezy. Anyone know of a similar program? |
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| 22:59.19 | themill | drphitheta: mpd should reappear quite soon |
| 23:00.05 | drphitheta | themill: Cool, any idea how long? |
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| 23:00.33 | mmnicolas | yea thats weird, its there for almost every other arch |
| 23:00.35 | themill | tomorrow I would think. It disappeared by accident |
| 23:00.44 | drphitheta | Ahh, thanks guys |
| 23:00.53 | mmnicolas | wow |
| 23:01.16 | themill | #699187, if you're curious |
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| 23:02.45 | drphitheta | Anyone know why debian uses glibc 2.15? |
| 23:02.54 | drphitheta | is 2.16+ not stable? |
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| 23:03.57 | themill | drphitheta: there were one or two pretty crap glibc releases in there, yes. But also, changing glibc isn't something you do while you're trying to make a release. |
| 23:04.20 | drphitheta | good point |
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| 23:04.54 | drphitheta | Does changing glibc change anything more than just the headers? |
| 23:05.08 | drphitheta | If not, why would it affect already compiled C programs? |
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| 23:05.25 | drphitheta | Or does it change some linking libraries, etc. ? |
| 23:05.30 | mmnicolas | it may |
| 23:06.07 | themill | drphitheta: libc6 is a dynamic library, not a static library |
| 23:06.31 | drphitheta | That's what I thought |
| 23:06.41 | drphitheta | What are the implications of changing it? |
| 23:06.53 | drphitheta | Do all programs need to be recompiled? |
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| 23:09.47 | themill | drphitheta: no, and as long as there are no regressions in it, it can be changed underneath existing compiled programs without issues. Changes may prevent existing packages from being recompiled or introduce bugs into programs. |
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| 23:10.33 | drphitheta | themill: Hmm, thanks. |
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| 23:11.08 | drphitheta | themill: I wasn't even able to build mpd without glibc >= 2.16. So I was just wondering why debian was a bit behind |
| 23:11.44 | themill | mpd in debian builds quite happily with glibc 2.13 |
| 23:12.18 | themill | 2.11 even -- I did that not long ago. |
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| 23:13.39 | drphitheta | ./configure failed on glibc 2.15 :/ |
| 23:13.46 | drphitheta | using the latest stable |
| 23:15.46 | themill | glibc 2.15 isn't anywhere in debian at all... |
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| 23:16.43 | Akuw | Starting NFS common utilities: statd is taking so much time to start |
| 23:16.57 | Akuw | Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed! |
| 23:17.06 | Akuw | i remove and install again |
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| 23:18.04 | qoreqyas | Akuw: maybe you should check the logs and see if there is something else wrong |
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| 23:19.34 | qoreqyas | sudo egrep -i '(statd|nfs)' /var/log/syslog |
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| 23:24.12 | Akuw | http://pastebin.ca/2310148 |
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| 23:38.39 | drasko | I have a problem : dkms.conf: Error! No 'BUILT_MODULE_NAME' directive specified for record #0. |
| 23:38.47 | drasko | http://pastebin.com/SDYzKvhD |
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| 23:43.41 | qoreqyas | why do you have an invalid line in /var/lib/dpkg/available? |
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| 23:46.20 | DanDare | Sorry Im not sure if Im at the right channel but not sure also where to ask about this: Its too bad having a domain name and a site without any *@domain.com e-mail ? Its against any RFC but more specifically it can brings important issues like blocking the domain or something bad? |
| 23:47.31 | DanDare | For instance is my father asking to add his site to my VPS. Just a static page without any considerable visitation or traffic |
| 23:48.00 | qoreqyas | DanDare: why is it against any RFC. Which RFC are you talking about? To Answer your question, afaik, as long as you dont use *@domain.com as email adress (like info@domain.com at whois) it shouldnt be a problem. |
| 23:49.27 | qoreqyas | idk which smtpd of $ISP could make problems because it checks if there is any *@domain.com. i can not imagine, but its theoreticaly possible. |
| 23:49.55 | DanDare | qoreqyas, not refereing about any specific RFC reference just wondering if its problematic at any instance. I mean lets say for foo.com I doesnt present any @foo.com email address or MX records |
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| 23:50.33 | qoreqyas | DanDare: as long as you dont use the domain for emails, you wont need a MX record. |
| 23:50.34 | Armand | I own a domain with no e-mail.. O_o |
| 23:50.48 | DanDare | qoreqyas, understand. |
| 23:50.51 | qoreqyas | i asked about the RFC because i was curious. never heard about sth like that. |
| 23:50.51 | DanDare | I see Armand |
| 23:50.58 | DanDare | Thank you guys very much |
| 23:51.12 | DanDare | qoreqyas, yeah sorry... just guessing here really about RFC |
| 23:51.13 | qoreqyas | you are very welcome sir. |
| 23:51.36 | qoreqyas | DanDare: yea, it always looks pro if you refer some RFC in the beginning. SCNR |
| 23:51.37 | Armand | The registrar has my regular e-mail address.. but, I haven't setup anything for my domain yet. |
| 23:51.54 | DanDare | maybe it turns into a good experiment about hosting the e-mail by myself :p as it isnt important for him. He will be using his yahho email |
| 23:51.59 | DanDare | heh |
| 23:52.08 | DanDare | I see Armand |
| 23:52.22 | uglytermite | hello. my drive is renamed "cdrom4" instead of "cdrom" |
| 23:54.43 | qoreqyas | uglytermite: my shiny crystal ball tells me you want it back to cdrom? maybe man udev will help you. |
| 23:55.32 | uglytermite | qoreqyas: thank let me check |
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| 23:59.13 | uglytermite | qoreqyas: I did ln -s /dev/cdrom4 /dev/cdrom and eject worked well |
| 23:59.45 | uglytermite | qoreqyas: but after reboot the same problem |