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| 00:49.43 | Kanisterschleife | hi. my testing system crashed while I was trying to burn an iso image to my usb stick. now the stick doesn't show up anymore. dmesg recognizes it when I plug it in, but neither fdisk nor gparted can find it |
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| 00:50.16 | Kanisterschleife | any idea what to do? there is no importnat data on the stick, so I'm happy with any suggestion, even if it means all data will be lost |
| 00:51.25 | abrotman | Kanisterschleife: dmesg shows what? |
| 00:53.25 | Kanisterschleife | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/0wjUuZ14 |
| 00:55.01 | abrotman | Kanisterschleife: and 'fdisk -l /dev/sdc' ? |
| 00:55.20 | Kanisterschleife | abrotman: nothing |
| 00:55.37 | abrotman | Kanisterschleife: and if you run 'fdisk /dev/sdc' .. does it let you create a partition ? |
| 00:55.52 | Kanisterschleife | abrotman: no, medium not found |
| 00:56.02 | abrotman | taht's cute |
| 00:56.15 | abrotman | and it exists in /dev/ ? |
| 00:56.35 | Kanisterschleife | yes |
| 00:56.44 | Kanisterschleife | /dev/sdc exists |
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| 00:57.11 | abrotman | and you can't write an iso to it again ? |
| 00:57.53 | Kanisterschleife | abrotman: no, again no medium found |
| 00:58.10 | abrotman | tried another port? |
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| 00:58.27 | Kanisterschleife | abrotman: yes |
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| 00:58.36 | abrotman | and another usb drive? |
| 00:58.47 | Kanisterschleife | abrotman: no, unfortunately have only one here atm |
| 00:58.54 | abrotman | another OS? |
| 00:59.01 | abrotman | it's possible it fried |
| 00:59.15 | Kanisterschleife | yes, atm I'm in ubuntu |
| 00:59.38 | Kanisterschleife | abrotman: meaning that I can throw it away? |
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| 01:00.17 | abrotman | Kanisterschleife: i'd verify on another system if you can before you just toss it |
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| 01:01.02 | Kanisterschleife | abrotman: ok |
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| 01:01.18 | Kanisterschleife | abrotman: thank you, I'll do so and get a new stick otherwise |
| 01:01.31 | Kanisterschleife | gtg, bye! |
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| 01:43.23 | leftist | hi i'm doing a quick netinstall for a test app. I have wondered in the past whether it's worthwhile to have a separate partition for home directory? |
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| 01:44.45 | Towzzer | desktop machine or multi-user |
| 01:45.22 | leftist | i get you towzzer. |
| 01:45.28 | leftist | i get it now. |
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| 01:45.57 | leftist | it makes sense from your question now. thanks. |
| 01:46.45 | Towzzer | I wasn't trying to do that |
| 01:46.56 | Towzzer | I was just going to tell you which way I'd do it based on the purpose of the machine |
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| 01:47.53 | leftist | towzzer this instance is a vm so it would be desktop however after evaluating the behavior of the apps for this build i will install, it would be multi. |
| 01:48.34 | leftist | i'm listening let me hear your thoughts |
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| 01:50.18 | Towzzer | this is very awkward, like when uncle badtouch would come to my birthday parties |
| 01:51.03 | leftist | haha |
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| 01:51.57 | leftist | i'm sorry it's just that i am so familiar with irc and the old bbs scene..you get familiar with the feel of things.. |
| 01:52.12 | leftist | laughs |
| 01:52.43 | leftist | however i am sincerely interested in your approach to my query. |
| 01:53.10 | Devastator | this is probably very simple, but how do i add a grub2 menu entry? |
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| 01:55.49 | zykotick9 | Devastator: try "update-grub" and see if it's automajically added. |
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| 01:57.42 | Devastator | zykotick9 nops, I'm following a tutorial to update my bios using grub, I just need to add kernel line and initrd |
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| 01:59.51 | zykotick9 | Devastator: have a look at /etc/default/grub to add kernel options |
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| 02:01.32 | zykotick9 | Devastator: i'm guessing you'll need an entry however! so look at 40custom or some such thing. |
| 02:02.33 | zykotick9 | Devastator: and it's 40_custom in /etc/grub.d/ |
| 02:03.02 | Devastator | zykotick9 kernel is now called linux?! |
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| 02:03.26 | zykotick9 | Devastator: sorry i don't follow? |
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| 02:05.51 | Devastator | zykotick9 this is the lines for grub1, I don't see any kernel line in any grub2 entry |
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| 02:07.53 | leftist | Towzzer i want to hear! |
| 02:08.04 | zykotick9 | Devastator: you'll obviously need more assistance that i have, sorry - best of luck. but i "believe" you need to add whatever it is you want to 40_custom |
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| 02:17.23 | dvs | Devastator: You want to add a command line option to your kernel using grub 2? |
| 02:18.04 | Devastator | dvs yes, I guess I did now, but I can't select it, keyboard doesn't work |
| 02:18.12 | zykotick9 | dvs: Devastator is trying to update bios through grub somehow. |
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| 02:18.43 | dvs | ??? I never thought that was possible |
| 02:18.54 | zykotick9 | dvs: i've never heard of it either. |
| 02:18.56 | Devastator | it is.. |
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| 02:21.42 | Devastator | I now just need to figure out how to make keyboard work under grub |
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| 02:26.08 | Devastator | yes, ps/2 keyboard doesn't work during grub |
| 02:27.29 | zinx | Devastator: o_O |
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| 02:33.31 | Devastator | fixed, had to disable usb legacy |
| 02:34.32 | dvs | yay |
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| 02:41.56 | Guest82936 | Is there an HTML editor in Debian Linux? Or something, where I can practice html code? |
| 02:42.37 | MooseElkingtons | gedit. |
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| 02:43.25 | MooseElkingtons | then you could open it up locally with your preferred web browser. |
| 02:43.32 | abrotman | Guest82936: bluefish or the editor in iceape |
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| 02:53.15 | Guest82936 | abrotman, MooseElkingtons , thanks |
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| 02:57.04 | MooseElkingtons | mhm |
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| 03:02.06 | leftist | i just did a netinstall. it should be up to date correctd? |
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| 03:02.48 | abrotman | leftist: pastebin your sources.list |
| 03:03.06 | leftist | it's on another system |
| 03:03.53 | leftist | i'll deal with this tomorrow i am exhausted...thanks abortman :) |
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| 03:04.12 | abrotman | ok |
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| 03:07.40 | KsM | can I enable the 'GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true' parameter for grub and change all the UUIDs in my /etc/fstab to /dev/sdX |
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| 03:08.44 | xxzz | uuid is more reliable though |
| 03:08.48 | zykotick9 | KsM: not really a great idea. /dev/sdX have a habit of changing. i personally use LABELS in fstab |
| 03:09.11 | abrotman | KsM: but yes, you can! |
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| 03:09.21 | xxzz | KsM use blkid |
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| 03:10.02 | leftist | abrotman are you still around? |
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| 03:10.21 | abrotman | i'm a bit square |
| 03:10.23 | leftist | i wonder why firefox isnt included in the default build for debian? |
| 03:10.26 | leftist | haha |
| 03:10.28 | abrotman | leftist: iceweasel |
| 03:10.47 | KsM | zykotick9: my /dev/sdX has not changed through reboots or jumping through the 3 different distros I have installed |
| 03:10.52 | xxzz | trying to figure out why grub-installer hangs during grub setup |
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| 03:11.20 | leftist | i see it |
| 03:11.20 | abrotman | !tell leftist about mdn |
| 03:11.20 | zykotick9 | KsM: ;) when you least want it to happen, it will. muphy has some law about that ;) |
| 03:11.30 | xxzz | KsM, I had a dead disk and due to UUID i didn't suffer |
| 03:11.59 | xxzz | if you get a dead disk in your pool and then remove it you will see how it works out |
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| 03:12.10 | abrotman | or not |
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| 03:12.24 | leftist | http://pastebin.com/0y02Vs7v |
| 03:12.28 | KsM | xxzz: I have a single disk with a few partitions on it |
| 03:12.46 | xxzz | okay |
| 03:12.58 | xxzz | so use /dev/sdaX |
| 03:13.07 | abrotman | leftist: yep, sources.list looks good |
| 03:13.33 | leftist | ok great thanks abrotman |
| 03:13.41 | xxzz | how i can i stop update-grub during install |
| 03:13.47 | dvs | no contrib or non-free? |
| 03:13.55 | xxzz | it hangs while reading zfs partitions |
| 03:14.04 | abrotman | dvs: if you don't need it, you don't need it ? :) |
| 03:14.12 | dvs | heh |
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| 03:16.01 | johnfg | xxzz: Are you using zfs with debian? |
| 03:16.12 | xxzz | no |
| 03:16.24 | xxzz | i have freebsd with zfs on sda2 |
| 03:16.30 | xxzz | debian on sda5 |
| 03:16.43 | xxzz | installing grub2 on sda5 |
| 03:16.50 | xxzz | install works |
| 03:17.08 | xxzz | but later when it runs update-grub it hangs |
| 03:17.14 | xxzz | for 30-40 mins |
| 03:17.19 | abrotman | and then ? |
| 03:17.36 | johnfg | Huh. Did you see any warnings about grub not reading zfs? |
| 03:17.44 | xxzz | yeah plenty |
| 03:17.55 | abrotman | do you have to tell grub2 to load the zfs module ? |
| 03:18.02 | xxzz | no |
| 03:18.12 | xxzz | i use suse grub to boot everything |
| 03:18.22 | xxzz | just want this install to finish and let me boot in |
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| 03:19.04 | xxzz | i halted the install and tried booting debian from grub> but it drops me to (initramfs) |
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| 03:19.58 | xxzz | wonder why there is no skip option for bootloader |
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| 03:20.57 | xxzz | and it doesnt say if it is install efi grub or regular grub2 |
| 03:22.49 | xxzz | okay done |
| 03:23.00 | xxzz | had to get to tui installer |
| 03:23.07 | xxzz | gui installer got me confused |
| 03:23.10 | xxzz | thx |
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| 03:27.50 | Devastator | bios successful update with flashrom, but it still doesn't have boot from usb option, I wonder if I can use grub to boot my flashdrive |
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| 03:27.57 | Devastator | to boot from my flashdrive.. |
| 03:28.02 | MooseElkingtons | can I use xmodmap to assign hotkeys to one key? |
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| 03:47.37 | zjhxmjl | guys,how to exclude some packages from updates using 'apt-get update' |
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| 03:48.39 | zykotick9 | !tell zjhxmjl about pinning |
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| 03:49.39 | zjhxmjl | zykotick9:thanks |
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| 03:50.29 | abrotman | !tell zjhxmjl about hold |
| 03:50.34 | abrotman | better than pinning probably |
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| 03:52.01 | zykotick9 | abrotman: thanks. didn't know about that. |
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| 03:56.39 | MooseElkingtons | can I use xmodmap to assign hotkeys to one key? |
| 03:56.58 | abrotman | did you try it? |
| 03:57.04 | MooseElkingtons | I don't know how. |
| 03:57.15 | MooseElkingtons | I'm trying to assign alt+f1 to key 133 (my windows logo key) |
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| 03:57.27 | zjhxmjl | abrotman:thanks too |
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| 03:59.58 | xxzz | 20 mins into grub-install /dev/sda5 |
| 04:00.16 | xxzz | wonder if it is broken or how |
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| 04:00.34 | xxzz | 100% cpu |
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| 04:01.16 | cardamon | is there a debian package for a kde audo controller? a frontend for alsa maybe? I can't seem to find one in the system tray |
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| 04:02.55 | xxzz | alsamixergui |
| 04:04.51 | abrotman | judd: info kmix |
| 04:04.51 | judd | Package kmix (sound, optional) in squeeze/i386: volume control and mixer. Version: 4:4.4.5-1; Size: 343.4k; Installed: 1036k; Homepage: http://www.kde.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/kmix |
| 04:05.57 | cardamon | abrotman: Thanks...and installed...so where's it's little widget thing... |
| 04:06.12 | abrotman | oh FIIK .. widget .. wtf :) |
| 04:06.21 | abrotman | right click and add it ? |
| 04:06.26 | cardamon | well, not widget. |
| 04:06.45 | cardamon | The System Tray isn't showing it and it doesn't appear in the list of things you can add to the tray. |
| 04:07.01 | cardamon | Hmm, Dock in System tray is on. |
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| 04:07.18 | abrotman | you might want to ask #debian-kde on oftc |
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| 04:09.59 | Devastator | I've put netinstall into a flashdrive, but motherboard bios doesn't have usbhdd boot support, is there a way I can boot it using grub? |
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| 04:11.04 | zykotick9 | !tell Devastator about usb install |
| 04:11.30 | zykotick9 | Devastator: notice the plop link there |
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| 04:12.16 | Devastator | zykotick9 I managed to find the website, but the link is outdated |
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| 04:14.13 | Devastator | zykotick9 my problem is how to call the flashdrive with grub, I've already created the flashdrive.. |
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| 04:15.22 | zykotick9 | Devastator: no clue sorry. do you not have an optical drive you can use instead of USB? |
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| 04:15.51 | Devastator | nops |
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| 04:16.06 | abrotman | it doesn't boot off usb, and there's no optical ? |
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| 04:23.35 | kruug | Hey, I'm looking to set up an e-mail server (just for fun). Which one would be the best for casual use as well as learning from the experience? |
| 04:26.35 | abrotman | exim or postfix |
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| 04:27.18 | caf | concur |
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| 04:27.41 | caf | exim gets a lot of hate but i've found its configuration both flexible and explicable |
| 04:28.35 | abrotman | prefers postfix .. but understands the appeal of exim |
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| 04:31.49 | oneand0 | kruug, agree with caf, have run exim very happily for years, flexible, stable...a bit more complex to setup.. but imho worth the time |
| 04:32.11 | kruug | Reading the wiki now...thanks :) |
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| 04:33.58 | civillian | is tftpd terribly broken in debian? I just tried 3 different packages and they all say transfer timed out |
| 04:34.05 | MooseElkingtons | gah, I give up trying to map a hotkey to one key with xmodmap. |
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| 04:35.39 | abrotman | civillian: no, it's just not dead simple |
| 04:36.17 | civillian | ok so tftp locahost is broken but tftp [myhostname] isn't, even though it's using 0.0.0.0:69... |
| 04:36.20 | civillian | odd |
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| 04:44.46 | boudiccas | i've just installed 'enlightenment' to my LXDE desktop and wheezy setup for testing purposes. i rebooted and was able to get into a 'enlightenment' desktop with no problems. however when i come back to LXDE, its still openbox and LXDE. How do i get rid of the openbox please, but keepign it for future reference? |
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| 04:47.47 | caf | civillian: I've used the standard tftpd in debian to ship configs to and from cisco boxes without any trouble |
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| 04:50.54 | zykotick9 | civillian: fyi, i ran into issues with tftpd myself - but using tftpd-hpa worked for me YMMV |
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| 05:04.58 | bonks | Hey guys is there a way to specify which wifi dongle wlan0 and wlan1 should use? |
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| 05:06.57 | phatypus | does it get assigned to one of them automatically? |
| 05:07.24 | bonks | phatypus: They are assigned automatically, I think based off the USB port it's connected to |
| 05:07.46 | bonks | But I want to explicitly map wlan0 to the mac address if possible |
| 05:08.56 | phatypus | i was just about to say this is total shot in the dark because i've never used a wireless dongle, but if it get assigned based on mac address there may be a way by editing a file in
[goes to check] |
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| 05:09.35 | zykotick9 | !tell bonks about udev mac |
| 05:10.01 | phatypus | /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
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| 05:10.48 | phatypus | check this: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/udev.htm |
| 05:11.11 | bonks | I don't have 70- file, let me read |
| 05:11.24 | phatypus | it may begin with something else |
| 05:11.47 | phatypus | XX-network-* something like that |
| 05:11.56 | phatypus | sorry, but i don't have access to my debian machine right now |
| 05:15.05 | bonks | Looks pretty straight forward, I will try it |
| 05:15.07 | bonks | Thank you |
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| 05:16.06 | phatypus | make a backup of the files you are about to edit outside of /etc/udev/rules.d/ ;) |
| 05:16.22 | bonks | I think I will create a new one |
| 05:16.48 | bonks | The link you pasted suggested naming it XXX-netinterfaces.rules, and I don't have anything near that |
| 05:17.06 | phatypus | all of mine were XX- |
| 05:17.21 | bonks | Does the numerical prefix have significance? |
| 05:17.30 | bonks | Yeah actually mine's all XX- too |
| 05:17.31 | phatypus | not sure |
| 05:17.45 | Infiltrator | The numbers have to do with the order in which they're read. |
| 05:18.15 | bonks | Ah ok in this case nothign should conflict |
| 05:18.40 | Infiltrator | Don't quote me, but I think that 00 loads first, and then 01 and so forth. |
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| 05:20.07 | bonks | Alright. What I'm doing is connecting my raspberry pi to my phone's tether with one wlan and the other wlan on my router |
| 05:20.45 | bonks | And it's headless so I need to make sure it's persistent |
| 05:21.23 | Devastator | should I use rt kernel on an old Sempron 478? |
| 05:21.38 | Infiltrator | Devastator: Do you need an rt kernel? |
| 05:22.02 | Devastator | Infiltrator rt kernels are faster.. |
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| 05:23.04 | phatypus | bonks: this is probably a better source http://wiki.debian.org/udev |
| 05:23.31 | phatypus | which links to http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 05:23.45 | bonks | Excellent /me bookmarks |
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| 05:24.22 | shifty | any brilliant ideas how to "duplicate" a serial port like "tee"? I've got a whole bunch of NMEA sentences coming in on a serial port, and I wanted to duplicate the incoming data so that more than one program can read it (fooling them that they are reading from a "real" serial port). Any ideas or pointers? |
| 05:26.03 | Infiltrator | Devastator: Where did you hear that? |
| 05:26.52 | Devastator | Infiltrator I saw it, my other notebook was incredibly fast with rt kernel |
| 05:28.09 | Infiltrator | And it was exactly the same setup, kernel versions, and what-not except for the RT patch? |
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| 05:29.39 | Devastator | Infiltrator yes.. |
| 05:29.57 | Devastator | it dropped about 3 seconds in boot time |
| 05:30.34 | Devastator | but this is other computer, old cpu, that's why I'm asking.. from what I'm seeing, doesn't worth it |
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| 05:31.39 | Trewas | Devastator: boot time has nothing to do whether kernel is realtime or not, RT kernel is useful only when something needs guaranteed low latency (mainly audio work) |
| 05:31.54 | simonlnu | hi |
| 05:32.07 | Devastator | Trewas I just got lucky then.. |
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| 05:38.32 | bonks | So does udev rename my usb wifi THEN try to match the renamed-NAME with an entry in my /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 05:39.47 | bonks | It didn't seem to work the first time so I'm copying from another sample, rebooting |
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| 05:42.51 | bonks | Hmmm. How about a different approach. I want USB wifi A to use SSID A and USB wifi A to use SSID B, how do I configure this? |
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| 05:43.47 | bonks | I currently have wlan0 and wlan1 configured in /etc/network/interfaces but they are paired with my usb dongles in unexpected order |
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| 05:54.33 | blastwave | hello ... wheezy user here with an AMD integrated Radeon HD 6310 graphics card in my laptop. Apparently I need a non-free linux-firmware-nonfree package and to see my boot options for the kernel to radeon.modeset=0 to get things working reasonable. where do I change that kernel option ? |
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| 05:57.48 | blastwave | did I ask the wrong question ? |
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| 06:00.49 | blastwave | looks around |
| 06:01.17 | gnarface | blastwave: kernel command-line options are typically changed in the grub config and module options are typically changed by adding a file to /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 06:01.34 | gnarface | woops |
| 06:01.42 | gnarface | oh well |
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| 06:09.00 | Zitter | is pulseaudio good? I have two soundcards on my box, and the second one doesn't work very good with alsa |
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| 06:12.44 | gnarface | Zitter: pulseaudio is only good if you're good at configuring it, have a simple setup, and only require stereo. it excels in a couple niche cases but they mostly comprise of "times when it the defaults just happened to be good enough" which doesn't sound anything like a hybrid two-card solution to me, but i admit the extent of my pulseaudio experience is with removing it to fix bugs it causes |
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| 06:13.37 | gnarface | Zitter: "doesn't work very good with alsa" is usually a mis-diagnosis based on your own lack of practical alsa configuration knowledge combined with a dangerous obfuscation of the real hardware's features in the windows driver |
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| 06:14.30 | gnarface | Zitter: (software mixing is common-place these days but its not common knowledge that almost no new soundcards, especially onboard ones, actually do hardware mixing) |
| 06:14.57 | gnarface | Zitter: (and yes, this is one of those situations where the windows drivers do a good job of hiding that from you) |
| 06:15.52 | Zitter | gnarface, I have snd-1 (a pci card) and snd-0 (usb one). I've tried speaker-test and it works, but ir doesn't from any window application. |
| 06:15.56 | gnarface | Zitter: its common for people to opt to use pulseaudio when it works out of the box and alsa would require per-application configuration changes to set up right |
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| 06:17.49 | gnarface | Zitter: yep, sounds like the type of shit that happens to me when pulseaudio gets accidentally installed. you're running Gnome or KDE i'm guessing? their respective own support channels may be more helpful for you on this |
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| 06:18.43 | Zitter | GNOME |
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| 06:19.08 | rgr | trying to get adb to reocgnise my android device but no joy. someone here recently corectly set up udev on wheezy for adb to work? |
| 06:20.02 | Zitter | One thing I have to say: installed Pulseaudio, it works out-of-the-box! |
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| 06:21.48 | gnarface | Zitter: well there may be a way to accomplish what you want to do by using pulseaudio, but i don't know it, sorry. |
| 06:22.19 | gnarface | Zitter: Gnome/KDE i think both require pulseaudio though so i'd expect their user bases to have more info on advanced configs |
| 06:22.35 | Zitter | yes |
| 06:22.46 | rgr | you think? |
| 06:23.18 | vvz | Zitter: play a bit with pavucontrol |
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| 06:24.22 | gnarface | i typically just give a per-application configuration specific to its use of the audio card and the audio card's capabilities |
| 06:24.30 | Zitter | yes, as I said, after apt-get install pulseaudio usb sound card works perfectly |
| 06:25.11 | gnarface | "perfectly" if the only thing you test is stereo audio playback with no concurrent activity you m ean... |
| 06:25.16 | gnarface | *mean |
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| 06:25.38 | Devastator | nfs-common is failing to start during boot, I've tried the solution here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621707 but it didn't work, as rpcbind also gave errors |
| 06:25.45 | Devastator | suggestions? |
| 06:25.46 | Zitter | gnarface, yeah you're right |
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| 06:27.05 | gnarface | Zitter: that's a common problem for non-hardware-mixing (onboard) soundcards as well as dual-soundcard setups in my experience with alsa too, its just that with alsa alone i know what to do about it. pulseaudio is inscrutible to me |
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| 06:27.25 | Zitter | tried with sound from mpg123 and browser: they play together |
| 06:29.27 | gnarface | Zitter: that's a good start. clipping+stuttering can be a problem in software-onlyl mixing in alsa with some configurations/hardware but pulseaudio is supposed to do better at quality software mixing+resampling ... |
| 06:29.54 | gnarface | Zitter: my problem was always with playing say, WoW in wine while trying to play mp3's through audacious |
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| 06:31.08 | gnarface | Zitter: eventually i figured out my onboard card couldn't do hardware mixing, and that it sucked at software mixing, so while software mixing wine and audacious caused stuttering/collisions, i could easily set wine to only use hardware playback and just make sure it starts first. then it wouldn't stutter even if i started up several audio/web players all in software mixing after that |
| 06:31.12 | Zitter | anyway, thanks for support |
| 06:31.14 | Zitter | :) |
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| 06:31.28 | gnarface | Zitter: eh, it wasn't really support. good luck though |
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| 07:03.03 | lkthomas | Does debian have frontend dialog script which could use to change static IP address ? |
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| 07:04.20 | gnarface | lkthomas: probably, but i'd advise you to just read the man page for /etc/network/interfaces and change the file directly instead |
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| 07:05.17 | lkthomas | gnarface: I need to design a simple dialog menu for junior engineer to deal with IP changing |
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| 07:06.09 | gnarface | lkthomas: a junior engineer should have absolutely no trouble comprehending the format of the /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 07:06.49 | lkthomas | gnarface: our environment does not have that kind of people around |
| 07:07.15 | gnarface | so by junior engineer you mean "completely unexperienced intern" |
| 07:07.22 | lkthomas | yes |
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| 07:07.54 | lkthomas | instead of asking me change IP everytime, better script it for them to use |
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| 07:07.57 | gnarface | well most people use network-manager but that won't let you keep them from being able to change everything else. |
| 07:08.04 | McClane | hi, my gcc thinks it is on a windows machine |
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| 07:08.29 | gnarface | lkthomas: if its important that they ONLY be able to change the IP address it would be better if you write something custom. this can be done with a 1-line bash script |
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| 07:08.53 | gnarface | McClane: lol. do tell. |
| 07:09.06 | itry | hello! did anybodyanswer my wifi question? i got disconnected again. |
| 07:09.16 | McClane | i can't compile anything, it is confused |
| 07:09.32 | gnarface | McClane: copy +paste the output to paste.debian.net |
| 07:09.38 | McClane | i purge it and reinstall it, but It always try to compile for windows |
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| 07:11.02 | McClane | http://paste.debian.net/230910/ |
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| 07:11.13 | itry | android and windows work fine with this wifi. but on debian, it stops responding after a few seconds. anybody an idea how to go about it? |
| 07:11.14 | McClane | gnarface, http://paste.debian.net/230910/ |
| 07:12.20 | gnarface | McClane: i think it means you have the wrong or are missing development headers for installed |
| 07:12.29 | gnarface | for compiling m |
| 07:12.31 | gnarface | i mean |
| 07:12.40 | gnarface | itry: what is your question again? |
| 07:12.54 | McClane | gnarface, what can i do? |
| 07:14.10 | McClane | could it be fixed? i don't want to reinstall the system |
| 07:14.48 | itry | gnarface: wifi stops responding after a few seconds of use |
| 07:15.42 | gnarface | McClane: well typically you would find just need to install the *-dev named package matching whatever requirements you're missing (debian keeps development /compilation headers and stuff in seperate packages from main ones typically named [packagename]-dev) but since it appears you're actually compiling a toolkit i would recommend you just use the stock debian package instead .... |
| 07:15.53 | gnarface | itry: oh. sorry, no idea. |
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| 07:16.17 | McClane | thank you gnarface |
| 07:16.55 | gnarface | McClane: good luck |
| 07:17.19 | gnarface | McClane: i was clear on the part about the fact i think it sounds like you're doing something you shouldn't be doing, right? |
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| 07:20.39 | gnarface | *sigh* |
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| 07:22.00 | gnarface | itry: a good place to start is to find the model name of the specific wifi chip you're using in order to identify the driver it uses so you can read the documentation for it. common misbehavior is often placed in the packaged docs |
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| 07:24.14 | itry | it works with other routers. you think its still a driver issue? |
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| 07:25.59 | asc | I just installed wheezy beta4 from netinst cd and, after installing, aptitude and apt-get can't seem to find most standard packages. Is something up? |
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| 07:27.42 | itry | how can i boot without acpi support? |
| 07:28.22 | caf | asc: does the output of apt-get update look normal? |
| 07:28.27 | gnarface | itry: no idea |
| 07:29.48 | asc | normal-ish, but much shorter than normal. Only 5 lines starting in "hit" or "ign" |
| 07:30.49 | asc | That... hm. I did an "expert" install because I wanted to finesse some things. Do you have a location for what sources.lst should look like? |
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| 07:31.13 | gnarface | itry: if you're using a tablet or phone or some such weird hardware you may want to look for documentation specific to it |
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| 07:31.24 | gnarface | itry: or maybe a support group for it... |
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| 07:33.44 | vvz | asc: by default you have only the 'main' repo enabled, if you need sth from 'contrib' or 'non-free' you have to enable them by editing your sources.list |
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| 07:35.40 | asc | I think I deselected something during the install process; the only thing in /etc/apt/source.lst are two entries for security.debian.org |
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| 07:39.03 | vvz | asc: so add the main repo: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
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| 07:39.24 | vvz | asc: but choose a mirror server near you |
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| 07:40.37 | asc | That did it. Thanks for your help. |
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| 07:44.31 | nancy | someone know how to set up a domain .whatyouwant? |
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| 07:57.07 | mntzn | Hi, is there a place where I can check why certain package is not in the repos anymore? |
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| 08:06.54 | asc | which package? |
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| 08:07.03 | mntzn | zabbix-agent from wheezy |
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| 08:11.22 | asc | Nothing in the debian changelog. You could try asking the maintainers. |
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| 08:12.42 | asc | Looks like the .deb is still downloadable, but that wasn't the question. |
| 08:13.03 | mntzn | it doesnt show in packages.debian.org |
| 08:13.32 | mntzn | by contact them you mean like email directly? |
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| 08:16.35 | asc | It's all I can think of. There isn't even a page for the wheezy package, just unstable and squeeze |
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| 08:27.56 | vvz | mntzn: checkout this page: http://packages.qa.debian.org/z/zabbix.html |
| 08:29.09 | vvz | mntzn: it seems there are unresolved issues that prevent its migration from unstable for the moment |
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| 08:34.41 | mntzn | vvz: thanks |
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| 08:38.50 | Lewoco | I have mounted a remote filesystem using NFS. I can browse most of the files *except* for the ones that are themselves NFS mountpoints (for some other machine). Why does this happen and how can I fix it? |
| 08:40.08 | Lewoco | Essentially I want to access machine A from machine C but I can't (because of software incompatibility) so I want to use machine B as an intermediary. |
| 08:40.40 | rwp | Lewoco, Can't. Basic NFS has never allowed to daisy-chain mounts. |
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| 08:40.49 | I-330 | hi! |
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| 08:42.02 | Lewoco | rwp, Not the answer I was hoping for, but at least I now know to stop searching. Thanks. |
| 08:42.02 | rwp | Lewoco, Look into using sshfs. It should do what you want. |
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| 08:44.26 | I-330 | I upgraded to wheezy, now thunar shows icons for the wrong theme for the special folders in my home directory |
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| 08:45.30 | I-330 | cf. http://paste.xinu.at/H5h01/ |
| 08:46.20 | I-330 | (same happens with tango instead of tangerine, but I installed tangerine to check if the icons might be present in there) |
| 08:46.58 | I-330 | does anyone know by chance where I can grab the missing icons? |
| 08:47.13 | I-330 | also obligatory "sorry in case this is the wrong channel to ask" |
| 08:48.21 | boudiccas | I-330: slow down, chill. what DE? |
| 08:48.42 | I-330 | xfce |
| 08:49.24 | boudiccas | I-330: and does this happen with a new user? |
| 08:49.43 | I-330 | good question |
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| 08:51.21 | Lewoco | rwp, Unfortunately in my scenario, only machine B is linux and is therefore able to run sshfs. I was able to mount machine A using sshfs but I still couldn't access from machine C. |
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| 08:52.01 | Lewoco | rwp, I assume you were expecting me to run sshfs on machine C? |
| 08:52.17 | I-330 | boudiccas: yes, it does |
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| 08:55.07 | I-330 | sorry, previous screenshot is messed up for some reason, here is one that works: http://paste.xinu.at/r1z4/ |
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| 08:58.57 | I-330 | Lewoco: what does machine C run? |
| 08:59.28 | Lewoco | I-330, os x 10.7 |
| 08:59.39 | Lewoco | machine A is win7-64 |
| 08:59.59 | I-330 | oh, can't help you there. I have successfully used sshfs on *BSD, though |
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| 09:00.40 | Lewoco | We use pretty much every OS except BSD here =/ |
| 09:00.48 | I-330 | typical ;) |
| 09:01.09 | Lewoco | Well os x is just a dirty ripoff so I suppose that half counts. |
| 09:01.49 | I-330 | userland is from FreeBSD, kernel is mach, which is an entirely different beast |
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| 09:02.09 | Lewoco | I see |
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| 09:02.24 | I-330 | anyway, NFS (aka black-magic-voodoo-fs) should work for all three of them |
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| 09:02.55 | I-330 | if it doesn't have to be over ssh (I joined after your question) |
| 09:04.37 | Lewoco | Actually my first attempt was CIFS, unfortunately OS X 10.7 CIFS is terribly unreliable. My next attempt was NFS, but I had compatability problems between OS X nfs client and the cygwin NFS server on windows. sshfs was actually my 3rd attempt. |
| 09:04.41 | I-330 | (at least I saw an option to install an NFS client in win7. in case that doesn't work out, you can also install samba, or run a webdav server, or use good bad old FTP) |
| 09:04.49 | I-330 | hmm |
| 09:05.04 | I-330 | how about running both an NFS and a SMB server on the linux machine? |
| 09:05.15 | Lewoco | Actually I am. |
| 09:05.45 | Lewoco | But NFS doesn't allow daisy chaining, so I can't access the SMB shares through the linux box using NFS. |
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| 09:05.58 | I-330 | oh, sorry |
| 09:06.19 | I-330 | bleh |
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| 09:07.00 | Lewoco | Most simple would be if I could just get NFS to work directly from OS X to windows. It lets me mount but when I try to 'ls' mountpoint it says "Program version wrong". |
| 09:08.28 | I-330 | ah, so B is just a hub? |
| 09:09.05 | Lewoco | Well all the machines are on the same subnet. |
| 09:09.37 | Lewoco | I was just trying to abuse B, because I can't get A and C to talk directly to each other. |
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| 09:10.03 | I-330 | because the protocols don't work together? |
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| 09:11.37 | vvz | Lewoco: Samba protocols should be the best choise in a hybrid environment like this, at least for me it worked fine more than once in similar setups |
| 09:12.30 | Lewoco | vvz, At first everything looked good to me too, but once I started using it in earnest I started having intermittent errors. |
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| 09:13.26 | Lewoco | vvz, For small numbers of files it's ok but if I try to compile a library that #include's hundred of headers then it will occassionally return read errors. |
| 09:13.36 | vvz | Lewoco: or maybe you could centralize, i mean setup all the shares on B and use different access methods from A and C |
| 09:13.51 | Lewoco | well |
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| 09:14.42 | I-330 | did you use apple's proprietary SMB server? (google says they have one) |
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| 09:14.53 | Lewoco | the error it was giving me had the word 'version' in it so I looked though all the options for NFS client on os x and discovered that if I pass vers=2 it works... go figure |
| 09:14.57 | I-330 | (and first result is about it being flaky :D) |
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| 09:15.13 | I-330 | o |
| 09:15.16 | Lewoco | yay |
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| 09:15.36 | I-330 | meh, nfsv2 |
| 09:15.49 | Lewoco | cygwin nfsd is only v2 |
| 09:15.59 | Lewoco | and that's the server I'm using on windows |
| 09:16.09 | I-330 | meh |
| 09:16.23 | marsje | I need to build a custom kernel. This works, but the system starts with a kernel panic. I get the feeling my initrd.img is way too small and does not contain necessary modules. How do I fix this? |
| 09:16.26 | Lewoco | Well, what is so bad about v2? |
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| 09:16.41 | Lewoco | I mean if it's really terrible I will look for another nfsd implementation |
| 09:17.06 | I-330 | I had problems with error diagnosis on NFS with anything before 4 |
| 09:17.10 | kyr0 | exit |
| 09:17.15 | I-330 | also NFS seems rather terrible in general |
| 09:17.17 | vvz | I-330: to your question, did you check the alternatives, maybe you try 'update-alternatives --get-selections' to see if there is a symlink pointing at the wrong icon theme |
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| 09:18.11 | I-330 | vvz: doesn't seem so |
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| 09:18.28 | vvz | I-330: it was a wild guess anyway ;) |
| 09:18.35 | Lewoco | I-330, yeah, but I already powered through my error diagnosis (I agree the messages are not very helpful). Now that it works I don't need good error diagnosis anymore =) |
| 09:18.43 | I-330 | thanks. your wild guess is appreciated :) |
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| 09:19.20 | I-330 | Lewoco: oh, believe me, I would so like to know why our nfs server at work is suddenly making clients hang |
| 09:19.53 | I-330 | it used to just be slow ;) |
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| 09:20.01 | Lewoco | I-330, Yeah, it's true that it will no doubt screw up again at the most inopportune time. |
| 09:20.07 | gnarface | I-330: NFS is only terrible if you're trying to mix non-linux clients/servers in there. the mac os x NFS client is particularly poorly behaved. |
| 09:20.08 | Lewoco | And then I'll be cursing myself. |
| 09:20.26 | I-330 | gnarface: this is a pure linux network, by the way |
| 09:20.32 | I-330 | the work one |
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| 09:21.33 | Lewoco | gnarface, Well if the SMB client doesn't work and the NFS client is poorly behaved, then how to share files? Should I get a AFS server for windows? |
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| 09:21.53 | Lewoco | Hopefully apple at least got their own file sharing client right... |
| 09:22.04 | I-330 | webdav might work... |
| 09:22.28 | gnarface | Lewoco: the SMB client can be made to work but it'll always be slow. if that's acceptable however SSHFS is similar in throughput problems but way way easier to set up |
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| 09:26.05 | gnarface | Lewoco: the best option for NFS if you need to use non-linux NFS clients and they are giving you trouble (mac os X clients i've even seen lock up otherwise perfectly stable linux NFS servers) is only have them connect to NFS servers that are also of the same version and run on the same OS (don't mix+match nfs implementations) then synchronize on some back channel |
| 09:26.56 | Lewoco | You guys are really scaring me away from nfs. |
| 09:27.01 | vvz | Lewoco: also, you can replace the Apple supplied services with the open source Samba version through macports |
| 09:27.36 | Lewoco | vvz, I already tried that and it didn't help. |
| 09:27.40 | gnarface | Lewoco: well to be fair, in many cases by carefully configuring the NFS mount options and having cooperative staff that can be trusted not to break things to get out of work you can avoid most problems, and nothing will be as faster than NFS that doesn't require repartitioning or specialized hardware |
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| 09:28.32 | gnarface | Lewoco: if you don't have patience for all that documentation reading and you just want it to work and throughput isn't the critical factor, then i highly recommend SSHFS instead |
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| 09:34.37 | aristoteles | i'm using the free radeon driver but unfortunately i want to try fglrx because i want to try opencl. can anyone advice as to how to safely switch to fglrx? |
| 09:34.59 | aristoteles | i think i need to blacklist the old driver and then apt get fglrx and then reboot? |
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| 09:35.36 | gnarface | aristoteles: i don't really know but it sounds reasonable |
| 09:37.01 | aristoteles | some info on it i found here for arch linux, i'm not sure how to translate the pacman commands into debianese though http://chakra-linux.org/wiki/index.php/Switching_Between_Free_and_Non-free_Video-Drivers |
| 09:38.26 | gnarface | !fglrx |
| 09:38.26 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon HD and FirePro graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:12-6~beta-1, R600 and R700 based GPUs (Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series) are no longer supported; use the <radeon> driver for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 09:38.40 | jacks_appendix | little bit of an emergency here.. I did Debian Unstable updates without apt-listbugs and now my wireless doesn't work and my gnome system menu doesn't list "applications" or "system" any ideas on how to fix any of these issues? |
| 09:38.54 | gnarface | aristoteles: i suggest you /msg dpkg fglrx dkms |
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| 09:40.20 | aristoteles | gnarface, i just got some amazing output from that /msg -- gave me a command and everything |
| 09:40.48 | gnarface | aristoteles: you will find that the bot is a fountain of knowledge about many topics |
| 09:40.57 | DanGer | hi guys, I am getting this, anyone has an idea how to fix it? http://openpaste.org/90D1b204 |
| 09:41.05 | BenNZ | hi , having problems with bluetooth , i can search and add devices , but as soon as i try to transfer data to/from my phone the system lockups and i need to press the power button to shutdown , i have tried several kernels 3 generic and 3 i compiled myself to no avail , anyone know what might be wrong? |
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| 09:42.43 | gnarface | BenNZ: if you are on wheezy or sid, your problem is "being on wheezy/sid" (bluetooth is currently broken and has been for some time, squeeze still works though) |
| 09:43.05 | BenNZ | gnarface: ok thatll be it then , so theres nothing i can do? |
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| 09:43.57 | gnarface | BenNZ: bribing the developer with the bluetooth hardware you're trying to use might help |
| 09:44.20 | gnarface | BenNZ: i think |
| 09:44.26 | BenNZ | gnarface: lol , ok so is it intended to get fixed or is it a permanant problem? |
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| 09:45.29 | gnarface | BenNZ: last i heard there was no other known solution, other than to just use squeeze |
| 09:45.39 | BenNZ | gnarface: ok thank you , ill continue using vbox for bluetooth |
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| 09:47.39 | petan | I have a bunch of proccesses that I can't kill, because they are probably waiting for something, how do I check out what they wait for and kill that so that I unfreeze the system |
| 09:48.15 | petan | beside rebootig |
| 09:48.19 | aristoteles | gnarface: the only part of that command that looks fishy is echoing the string Identifier "My GPU" into 20-fglrx.conf, if that Identifier is supposed actually be some specific string, then I guess i need to figure out the right string |
| 09:49.01 | aristoteles | i know i have Wrestler [Radeon HD 6290] |
| 09:49.15 | aristoteles | but that doesn't necessarily tell me what string to write as "identifier" |
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| 09:49.28 | gnarface | aristoteles: its an arbitrary string and you can make it whatever you want to make it, but you can usually use lspci to find out what the card says officially if you want to make it "true" |
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| 09:50.10 | gnarface | aristoteles: its only practical use is as a marker in the log file output |
| 09:50.17 | aristoteles | gnarface: that's fine then it can say "My GPU", i got the info above from lspci |
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| 09:54.02 | aristoteles | okay, this is weird, and i've seen it before. the second part of that command was to echo into a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ when i tried it 'permission denied', when i tried it with sudo: permission denied. but when i tried it with sudo vim and just put the info in by hand, no problem with permssions. what's up with echo and sudo and permissions? |
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| 09:54.56 | aristoteles | well, actually, i'm gonna reboot now, so wish me luck, i'm still curious about that permissions thing though |
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| 10:02.33 | aristoteles | hi again friends, well something didn't go completely right, after reboot, X failed to start but debian gracefully let me log in at the virtual terminal |
| 10:03.16 | aristoteles | seems that i'm missing an xorg.conf, i think iwas using kms to avoid having any xorg.conf anymore, but maybe fglrx doesn't support this. |
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| 10:03.55 | gnarface | aristoteles: pastebin the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.conf, and no, xorg.conf is just not mandatory anymore because in most people's cases it default autodetects something acceptable. that simply may not be your case |
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| 10:04.58 | gnarface | aristoteles: the answer to your other question from before you rebooted is that either you have selinux running and being annoying, or else your sudo configuration does not give you access to *all* commands |
| 10:05.15 | gnarface | aristoteles: i'd recommend trying su instead |
| 10:05.42 | aristoteles | gnarface,is there a terminal application to do the pasting, i'm not in a graphical environment. gentoo has wgetpastebin which is for this kinda situation. |
| 10:06.10 | aristoteles | gnarface: about su in answer to my question about why echo was failing to let me write a file that i could use vim on? |
| 10:06.17 | gnarface | aristoteles: sure, the package is named pastebinit (but you can configure it to use paste.debian.net instead) |
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| 10:06.46 | gnarface | aristoteles: yes, that was the question i was referring to |
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| 10:07.21 | aristoteles | http://paste.debian.net/230933/ |
| 10:07.27 | themill | (it's not sudo and echo that are the problem but the use of output redirection) |
| 10:07.27 | gnarface | aristoteles: i suppose there are other possible causes of those symptoms (partitions mounted read-only perhaps) that was just the two that came to mind first |
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| 10:08.06 | aristoteles | themill: this sounds like the right answer to me. i knew bash was gonna be at fault somehow |
| 10:08.39 | themill | well... it's not really bash's fault as such. |
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| 10:09.04 | aristoteles | themill: you have a point about assigning blame to algorithms. |
| 10:09.33 | aristoteles | gnarface: do you have a suggestion for getting X working in this context? |
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| 10:09.55 | themill | it's not even a bug in bash, unless you believe that bash should parse output redirection in a completely different way if the first 5 characters of the line are "sudo " |
| 10:09.56 | gnarface | aristoteles: well i see the problem clearly at the bottom (do a string search for "(EE)" but i'm not familar enough with that hardware to know really what caused it |
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| 10:10.25 | gnarface | aristoteles: line 112 and the next few after it look suspicious as well |
| 10:10.50 | vvz | aristoteles: dif you do 'aticonfig --initial' |
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| 10:11.01 | cornor | hello |
| 10:11.14 | jelly | themill: it's a bug in the factoid! |
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| 10:11.19 | cornor | how i can this package included in my repo http://packages.debian.org/sid/libmp4v2-dev ? |
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| 10:11.49 | gnarface | aristoteles: typically this type of problem is an issue with a specific driver version and card model, and occasionally you can make some manual xorg.conf to fix it... |
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| 10:14.27 | aristoteles | gnarface: that sounds encouraging. some funny stuff to me, the first EE says "GPS not intialized", i'm like, why should my graphics card have a global position system. okay, also, i see that my failure regards drm connection, i thought that acronym was for digital rights managment and copywrite stuff. |
| 10:14.42 | jacks_appendix | Anyone know how to backup public keys via command line? |
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| 10:15.15 | aristoteles | i think i'm gonna have to install the lynx browser to google this! |
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| 10:15.32 | gnarface | aristoteles: i think in this context the DR stands for Direct Rendering |
| 10:15.58 | gnarface | aristoteles: i could be wrong though i suppose i don't know shit about HDMI |
| 10:17.33 | aristoteles | well, sounds good. i'm going to google these errors and see what i find, it definitely gets a long way through loading up and doing color checks and whatnot before suddenly failing |
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| 10:21.40 | aristoteles | there are definitely lots of google records on atiddxInitScreen failed, GPS not been initialized. but trying to figure out what's up using the terminal browsing is slow going. |
| 10:21.51 | gnarface | aristoteles: lynx is good. i think you can get a mouse cursor with gpm |
| 10:21.53 | jelly | elinks-lite! |
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| 10:21.53 | gnarface | brb |
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| 10:23.22 | vvz | aristoteles: do you have the kernel module actually loaded? what does 'lsmod | grep fglrx' give? |
| 10:23.57 | vvz | aristoteles: can you paste you xorg.conf too? |
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| 10:25.06 | aristoteles | vvz, let me check lsmod; no xorg.conf because i was using kms. i think. |
| 10:25.48 | aristoteles | vvz, you have found something crucial, i think. the output of lsmod | grep fglrx is null |
| 10:26.13 | babilen | aristoteles: You /do/ need a xorg.conf (or better a suitable section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/) for fglrx. Please see "/msg dpkg fglrx dkms" for installation and configuration help and "/msg dpkg empty xorg.conf" and "/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d" for further information on moden Xorg configuration practices. |
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| 10:27.15 | vvz | aristoteles: you do need the kernel module loaded on top of that |
| 10:27.15 | aristoteles | babilen, thanks! i think i installed fglrx using the output of "/msg dkpg fglrx dkms". i will read on the empty xorg.conf message now. |
| 10:27.36 | aristoteles | isn't there a variant of lsmod or modprobe that tells you what kernel messgages are available? |
| 10:27.37 | freeayu | hi, all |
| 10:27.43 | aristoteles | sorry, i meant kernel modules |
| 10:28.01 | petemc | modprobe -l |
| 10:28.12 | vvz | aristoteles: you need just fglrx, so make sure it's not blacklisted |
| 10:28.37 | babilen | aristoteles: Note the creation of /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf in that factoid. But if the module failed to compile or is not loaded Xorg cannot use it. Would you mind running "dpkg-reconfigure fglrx-driver" and pasting the output on http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 10:29.03 | babilen | aristoteles: Include "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf" too so we can check that you've done that correctly. |
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| 10:30.20 | aristoteles | aristoteles, i already had .../xorg.conf.d created because i've got a 50 synaptics rule in there for a touchpad, i think you're absolutely right that the module failed to compile or is somehow unavailable |
| 10:30.47 | aristoteles | to babilen, not to me. :( |
| 10:32.20 | babilen | Sure, pasting the output of "dpkg-reconfigure fglrx-driver" should provide information on what went wrong during the installation. |
| 10:32.44 | babilen | aristoteles: Also include "apt-cache policy fglrx-driver" and "aptitude search '~i~n^linux-'" |
| 10:33.01 | aristoteles | well, dpkg-reconfigure fglrx-driver gave no output, i guess that's a good thing. i can paste the 20-fglrx.conf file as well |
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| 10:33.21 | vvz | aristoteles: look up the module: find /lib/modules -name fglrx.ko |
| 10:34.17 | aristoteles | paste.debian.net/230942 |
| 10:34.38 | aristoteles | that's the 20...conf file. |
| 10:34.43 | babilen | aristoteles: Hmm, what about "aptitude reinstall fglrx-driver" ? |
| 10:35.20 | babilen | yeah, the configuration file looks fine. Lets see the apt-cache policy and aptitude output |
| 10:35.35 | vvz | aristoteles: i'd suggest to add a Screen section too |
| 10:35.44 | aristoteles | babilen, i think that's a good idea to try again. the find command failed to find the module |
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| 10:36.43 | babilen | aristoteles: Ah, we want to reinstall fglrx-modules-dkms I guess. Could you try "dpkg-reconfigure fglrx-modules-dkms" ? Does that triggers the recompilation of the modules? |
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| 10:37.33 | babilen | aristoteles: Do you, by chance, have the installation of recommends disabled? I guess the output of "dpkg -l '*fglrx*'" might come in handy too |
| 10:38.21 | aristoteles | i put the policy in paste.debian.net/230943 |
| 10:38.51 | aristoteles | i tried aptitude reinstall and no errors. |
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| 10:39.51 | gnarface | uh... should i be seeing unstable and testing both listed in the output of that command...? |
| 10:39.53 | babilen | aristoteles: The package that actually takes care of the module compilation is, I guess, fglrx-modules-dkms. You have to reinstall and provide information about that package rather than fglrx-driver (which merely pulls f-m-dkms in via Recommends:) |
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| 10:40.37 | babilen | gnarface: No idea, I guess that aristoteles it running unstable but has testing in his/her sources.list for cases in which that is needed |
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| 10:41.01 | aristoteles | i put the dpkg -l "*fglrx*" info at paste.debian.net/230945 |
| 10:41.34 | aristoteles | gnarface: babilen is correct that i use both sources in certain cases |
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| 10:41.51 | vvz | aristoteles: babilen is right fglrx-driver provides the xorg driver, and fglrx-modules-dkms -- the kernel module. you do need the latter |
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| 10:42.13 | aristoteles | babilen, i will try to reinstall fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 10:42.21 | aristoteles | and vvz |
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| 10:44.49 | aristoteles | oh, here i'm seeing 'module building for the running kernel skipped since the kernel source doesn't seem to be installed |
| 10:45.07 | aristoteles | so i guess i need to install the kernel-sources package and then retry the module? |
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| 10:45.44 | babilen | aristoteles: Did you forget to install the linux-headers package for your kernel? |
| 10:45.47 | vvz | aristoteles: install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 10:46.03 | subthalamus | I don't suppose anybody knows of a free for life cloud server service? |
| 10:46.08 | aristoteles | babilen, i didn't think i did but it is possible |
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| 10:47.09 | babilen | aristoteles: Well, install linux-headers-686-pae and linux-image-686-pae and reinstall fglrx-modules-dkms ... btw, installing the headers is part of the procedure in "/msg dpkg fglrx dkms" |
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| 10:48.02 | aristoteles | huh, 'unable to locate headers for 3.2.0-2-686-pae', maybe it's because of the 'pae' part. |
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| 10:48.57 | babilen | aristoteles: Huh, installing linux-headers-686-pae shouldn't result in that error. Could you show me the exact command and its output? |
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| 10:49.58 | aristoteles | sure, exact command was 'sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)' |
| 10:50.08 | babilen | aristoteles: When did I mention that? |
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| 10:50.26 | aristoteles | babilen, mention what? |
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| 10:50.58 | babilen | aristoteles: "apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" -- I asked you to install "linux-image-686-pae" and "linux-headers-686-pae" |
| 10:51.00 | aristoteles | oh, that command was vvz's suggestion, i thought it looked reasonable (!). i'll try linux-headers-686-pae instead ( i see that one in apt-cache) |
| 10:51.46 | aristoteles | even weirder: linux-header-686-pae is already the newest version |
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| 10:51.52 | Virtualmix | Hello all. Do you know what is the recommended way to tell a maintainer when the new version of a software have been released so he can update the package? |
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| 10:52.23 | Virtualmix | Should I fill a bug or send an email directly? |
| 10:52.23 | vvz | aristoteles: that's the package that depends on the latest version, so it will do exactly the same thing, but will take care of upgrades later, too |
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| 10:53.40 | babilen | aristoteles: Paste the /entire/ output of the reinstallation of fglrx-modules-dkms, "aptitude search '~i~n^linux'" and everything else you've done. It is impossible to help you like this. |
| 10:53.44 | aristoteles | vvz, make sense, i seem to already have linux-headers-686-pae installed, but yet installing fglrx-modules-dkms says that i don't have headers for my running kernel. strange, no? |
| 10:53.52 | vvz | aristoteles: do 'apt-get update', i think the version should be linux-headers-3.2.0-4-686-pae, not 3.2.0-2-686-pae' |
| 10:54.09 | aristoteles | babilen, i appreciate your advice i'll paste those now |
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| 10:54.15 | babilen | aristoteles: You have not shown us the exact output nor any of the bazillion commands I asked you about. |
| 10:54.34 | babilen | aristoteles: I do have to leave now, see you later! |
| 10:54.37 | aristoteles | babilen, i don't think its fair to say 'any'. |
| 10:54.43 | aristoteles | okay, thanks for the help. |
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| 10:55.34 | babilen | aristoteles: Either way: Make sure you have a matching kernel/headers package combination installed (apt-get install linux-headers-686-pae linux-image-686-pae) should take care of that |
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| 10:56.46 | aristoteles | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/230951/ |
| 10:57.43 | aristoteles | i'm working from only virtual terminals with no cut and paste bouncing back and forth between commands and irc in differnt vts, and i've been googling in the lynx broswer i do have to apologize i've not been so swift with the pastes. |
| 10:58.03 | vvz | aristoteles: what kernel are you running now? uname -r gives what? |
| 10:58.06 | aristoteles | babilen: i agree, i think i need to get matching kernel and headers installed then retry to make the fglrx-module-dkms and see what happens |
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| 10:58.50 | aristoteles | uname -r give 3.2.0-2-686-pae |
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| 10:59.17 | aristoteles | it's that same string we saw when i was trying to install "linux-headers-$(uname -r)" |
| 10:59.19 | dawud | aristoteles: you can use screen if you need copy-paste functionality in terminal consoles (just a 2 cent tip) |
| 10:59.40 | aristoteles | dawud, thad sounds very helpful, i'll check it out |
| 11:00.27 | vvz | aristoteles: upgrade to 3.2.0-4 to match headers |
| 11:01.09 | aristoteles | interesting, when i do apt-get upgrade, i see a bunch of packages have been 'held back'. now i notice that my kernel package is amongst those. is there a safe way to say 'why are you holding these back?' and/or force it to go ahead with upgrade? |
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| 11:01.43 | vvz | aristoteles: do a dist-upgrade |
| 11:02.14 | vvz | aristoteles: or, aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 11:02.45 | aristoteles | well, calling out the specific kernel package in an apt-get install seems to have been enough to get the kernel to update |
| 11:02.49 | aristoteles | it's installing now |
| 11:03.56 | vvz | aristoteles: so all your trouble stems from version mismatches, keep your system uptodate in future |
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| 11:04.53 | vvz | aristoteles: you will have to reboot with the new kernel before rebuilding the modules with dkms, too |
| 11:05.13 | ddalton | I'm trying to make a bootable live usb but I wanna be able to save changes on reboot that is files and installed packages. howto do this? I read a guide but do I have to type a special boot prompt every time? |
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| 11:14.06 | aristoteles | hi again friends, after upgrading kernel and rebuilding fglrx-modules-dkms i rebooted and again X failed to start, but this time with a different error, so that's good. also now i see a fglrx.ko file in /lib/modules/.../ |
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| 11:14.20 | aristoteles | http://paste.debian.net/230959 |
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| 11:14.44 | laddu | o/ I was here last night with a wifi problem. I still have the problem. I followed this guide: http://www.rvdavid.net/how-to-get-gigabit-speeds-from-rtl81118168b-pci-express-gigabit-ethernet-controller-on-ubuntu-linux/ . After typing in this: $ readlink /sys/class/net/wlan0/device/driver I found my drivers is rt18192se. Should this be blacklisted instead of the r8169. I really need help. Thanks |
| 11:15.14 | laddu | Also another fun problem: after uninstalling pulseaudio, I have no audio now in my system, even though ALSA I'm sure is still on my system |
| 11:16.22 | ddalton | laddu: whatcha trying to do? pulseaudio is a pain in the ass |
| 11:16.47 | vvz | aristoteles: so, is fglrx loaded this time? lsmod | grep fglrx |
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| 11:17.13 | laddu | ddalton: I've uninstalled pulseaudio. But now there is no sound on my system. I did sudo apt-get ourge. but now no audio |
| 11:17.14 | jelly | laddu: rtl8192se is wireless. rtl8169 is gigabit ethernet. |
| 11:17.29 | aristoteles | vvz: that grep gave back two modules: fglrx and button |
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| 11:18.31 | laddu | jelly: right, so how can I fix these problems? Blacklist the rt18192se and install the wifi wireless driver for my card? |
| 11:19.33 | jelly | laddu: no idea, just commenting on r8169 being a completely different thing unrelated to your wireless |
| 11:19.37 | ddalton | laddu: why did u uninstall pulseaudio? |
| 11:19.52 | aristoteles | the EE error in that Xorg.0.log file I posted looks very intimidating "not enough memory to allocate primary surface framebuffer" |
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| 11:20.29 | yeehi | I want to track over the coming year, and intervals within, the total amount of data up and downloaded on my system. It would be nice to have some stats about speed, too. Which package would be good to install? |
| 11:20.50 | vvz | aristoteles: you may try generate a xorg.conf with 'aticonfig --initial' |
| 11:20.56 | laddu | ddalton: I'm running crunchbang, and I was havin crazy audio problems and wa srecommended to remove pulseaudio,which I believed was the cause of these problems. I installed ardour a DAW which I though brought hte pulse into my dystem.. I am just want this to work. |
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| 11:21.12 | jacks_appendix | Anyone know how to bring back the application menu item in the system menu in gnome? |
| 11:21.13 | laddu | *a solution so I have audio |
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| 11:22.13 | Guest32037 | I f I use gedit for HTML code , how can I test it? |
| 11:22.15 | aristoteles | vvz, that command seemed successful, perhaps i reboot now |
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| 11:23.11 | Nik05 | Guest32037 test what? |
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| 11:23.19 | ddalton | laddu: well I have a documentation to get pulse working correctly if that would be of any use? |
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| 11:23.41 | Nik05 | guest... never heard of a browser? |
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| 11:24.15 | laddu | ddalton: every little bit helps |
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| 11:26.34 | Guest32037 | Nik05, I what to type the HTML code and then see how it would look as if I was creating a we.b page |
| 11:26.36 | ddalton | laddu: Lemme see if I can pm the steps to u if its not too much |
| 11:26.49 | ddalton | actually no, gimme ur email address cause there is an attachment |
| 11:27.02 | Nik05 | Guest32037 do you have a browser? |
| 11:27.19 | ddalton | Guest32037: do not use gedit for that |
| 11:27.21 | Nik05 | like Iceweasel, Chromium? |
| 11:27.32 | Guest32037 | Nik05, I have iceweasel |
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| 11:27.44 | Nik05 | well then open the file with iceweasel :P |
| 11:27.46 | ddalton | i think u need a wysiwyg |
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| 11:28.22 | ddalton | laddu: wanna pm an email? |
| 11:29.07 | Guest32037 | Nik05, how do I open the file with iceweasel? |
| 11:29.12 | aristoteles | vvz: that wsn't it, i guess, two errors in xorg.0.log this time, |
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| 11:29.33 | aristoteles | http://paste.debian.net/230963/ |
| 11:29.41 | babilen | ddalton, laddu: Please keep it in the channel. If you think you've written a goog tutorial post it somewhere online (e.g. Debian wiki) and give the link to people. |
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| 11:30.14 | pioconiglio | ciao |
| 11:30.20 | pioconiglio | !list |
| 11:30.20 | dpkg | pioconiglio: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 11:30.30 | aristoteles | whoops, wrong kernel, i'm trying again. |
| 11:30.53 | babilen | aristoteles: You really shouldn't need anything apart from the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf -- May I see the output of "aptitude search '~i~n^linux'" and "dpkg -l '*fglrx*'" and "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" please? |
| 11:31.03 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 11:33.57 | ddalton | babilen: no. i didn't write it. and its not really a tutorial |
| 11:34.00 | aristoteles | well, now back on the kernel with the module, my error looks as before running aticonfig --initial. |
| 11:34.10 | ddalton | havent got time to write something up either |
| 11:34.23 | aristoteles | pasted here: http://paste.debian.net/230965/ |
| 11:34.57 | Guest32037 | Nik05, thanks, I could just use "open file" in iceweasel |
| 11:35.12 | aristoteles | lsmod | grep fglrx pasted here: http://paste.debian.net/230966/ |
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| 11:39.50 | aristoteles | whelp, i'm about out of ideas. i think i have to get the other computer going and do some googling. |
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| 11:40.11 | babilen | aristoteles: You really shouldn't need anything apart from the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf -- May I see the output of "aptitude search '~i~n^linux'" and "dpkg -l '*fglrx*'" and "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" please? |
| 11:40.15 | pioconiglio | ciao |
| 11:40.21 | pioconiglio | !list |
| 11:40.21 | dpkg | pioconiglio: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 11:40.26 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 11:40.33 | babilen | pioconiglio: No warex here - Try free software! |
| 11:40.39 | babilen | *warez even |
| 11:40.47 | aristoteles | babilen, sure thing. |
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| 11:42.47 | aristoteles | babilen http://paste.debian.net/230967/ , 230968/ , |
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| 11:44.15 | aristoteles | pastebinit seems to be weirding out now, not sure why i can't paste the lspci output you asked for |
| 11:44.41 | aristoteles | pastebinit is just showing http://paste.debian.net/ without the subdir/ (strange) |
| 11:44.48 | babilen | aristoteles: That is /not/ the output of "aptitude search '~i~n^linux-'" but okay |
| 11:45.37 | babilen | pastebinit is a pile of horrible Python code that gives me the hibby jibbies -- Use nopaste (/msg dpkg nopaste) for something that is better |
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| 11:45.57 | ChrisH | babilen seen lines 335- in http://paste.debian.net/230965/ ? |
| 11:46.50 | babilen | ChrisH: No, but it looks like an error message that can be easily googled for ;) |
| 11:47.06 | babilen | aristoteles: Just out of curiosity: Is Xorg working with the free radeon driver? |
| 11:47.18 | aristoteles | babilen, indeed. |
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| 11:47.47 | aristoteles | i just thought i'd try the other driver so that i could try to run some opencl programs. |
| 11:48.48 | aristoteles | i agree completly about the usefulness of googling for errors. |
| 11:49.51 | babilen | aristoteles: So the free radeon driver is working, but you need fglrx for OpenCL? |
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| 11:50.47 | aristoteles | babilen, i think 'need' is a bit strong in my context, but that was the idea. |
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| 11:52.38 | babilen | aristoteles: Do you have multiple distributions installed on that box? |
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| 11:53.02 | aristoteles | maybe i need to double check the blacklist to make sure video-radeon isn't getting in the way? |
| 11:53.11 | aristoteles | babilen, indeed, i have a gentoo partition |
| 11:53.16 | tbvdm | hi. i have downloaded debian-6.0.6-i386-CD-1.iso both from bittorrent and ftp, but in both cases the sha256 and sha512 checksums don't match. the signatures for the checksum files are good, though. any idea? |
| 11:53.17 | vvz | aristoteles: looking at the output of aptitude, i suggest a 'aptitude full-upgrade' before attempting anyting else |
| 11:53.20 | aristoteles | the gentoo also runs the video-radeon driver. |
| 11:53.36 | babilen | aristoteles: Is Debian or gentoo managing grub? |
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| 11:54.08 | aristoteles | debian is, the debian install is about 1.5 years old, the gentoo is recent |
| 11:54.18 | vvz | aristoteles: if you don't see radeon in lsmod's output you should be fine |
| 11:54.58 | babilen | tbvdm: What about MD5? Where do you get the checksums from? Which checksums do you get and what did you expect? (I'll check in a second) -- Apart from that: You might want to consider installing wheezy if this is for your personal (i.e. unimportant) box |
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| 11:55.53 | aristoteles | i do see radeon.kms in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 11:56.16 | aristoteles | radeon-kms.conf that is actually |
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| 11:56.35 | babilen | aristoteles: Ok, thanks. Could you edit /etc/default/grub and add "nopat" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet" so it looks like GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet nopat" -- Please run "update-grub2" and "grub-install /dev/sda" (if sda is correct!) afterwards and try to reboot. |
| 11:56.57 | babilen | aristoteles: This recommendation is based on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1004546/comments/30 btw |
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| 11:57.51 | aristoteles | babilen, sounds interesting. i am curious though, what's the 'nopat' option do? i think that 'quiet' surpresses some messages. |
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| 11:58.33 | babilen | aristoteles: See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1004546/comments/32 for further information (Or just read the entire bug report) |
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| 11:59.16 | aristoteles | man, i am not going to have a lot of luck getting that url into lynx. i'll have to look it up later. is there a high level description? |
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| 11:59.29 | babilen | no |
| 11:59.34 | aristoteles | fair enough |
| 12:00.06 | babilen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_attribute_table |
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| 12:00.55 | disbrained | in windows my dhcp client gets a lease, but with debian (etc) I don't get an IP. whyyyyyy |
| 12:01.33 | jpw | disbrained: can you share your interfaces file with us? |
| 12:01.46 | babilen | aristoteles: I do /not/ know about how this relates to your problem, but it is worth a try. I would recommend further research (maybe getting people from #ati involved) if this does not fix it. You /might/ want to try booting with nomodeset and/or vesafb.invalid=1 too |
| 12:02.58 | disbrained | jpw: what file (directory specifically) |
| 12:03.11 | jpw | disbrained: /etc/interfaces |
| 12:03.17 | jpw | disbrained: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:04.00 | tbvdm | babilen: false alarm. it seems the checksum program i'm using is confused by the checksum file format. the checksums do match. sorry, and thanks for your help |
| 12:04.11 | aristoteles | okay, i found that nopat vs pat is page level memory table, a kind of kernel option for better granularity on memory searches, and apparently some hardware is having some trouble on it. yeah, i think it might not be a bad idea to try those other options as well. |
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| 12:04.15 | disbrained | i'll check that and brb |
| 12:04.59 | babilen | tbvdm: Wonderful -- Please note my comment regarding wheezy (which is the current testing, but is expected to be released soonish) |
| 12:05.32 | Nik05 | what is soonish babilen? :) |
| 12:05.36 | tbvdm | babilen: noted, thanks |
| 12:05.51 | babilen | Nik05: Hmm, 2-5 months maybe -- See "/msg dpkg wheezy pool 1" for our guesses |
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| 12:06.50 | Nik05 | babilen doesnt work |
| 12:07.40 | Nik05 | dpkg is broken |
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| 12:08.36 | babilen | Nik05: dpkg was just away for some seconds, try again please |
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| 12:08.45 | I-330 | boudiccas: vvz: seems other people on wheezy have the same problem, guessing it's a debian bug |
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| 12:08.50 | Nik05 | yeah i saw him |
| 12:08.57 | disbrained | jpw: this is the default /etc/network/interfaces : auto lo |
| 12:09.00 | disbrained | iface lo inet loopback |
| 12:09.00 | aristotles | happy news! nopat solved it. |
| 12:09.00 | disbrained | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 12:09.02 | disbrained | allow-hotplug wlan0 |
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| 12:09.03 | disbrained | iface wlan0 inet manual |
| 12:09.05 | disbrained | wpa-roam /etc/blabla |
| 12:09.06 | disbrained | iface default inet dhcp |
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| 12:09.19 | babilen | aristotles: Wonderful -- looks as if your hardware and PAT is having issues. |
| 12:09.22 | aristotles | it took quite a long time to load X, but i think the graphics actually look a lot better. this must be the 3d thing ppl were talking about. |
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| 12:09.42 | aristotles | babilen, agree. now with mouse in hand, what can i paste for you? |
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| 12:09.55 | aristotles | just kidding, but i have to sleep now. thanks again to all. |
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| 12:10.02 | babilen | disbrained: Could you paste the entire file to http://paste.debian.net /and/ explain what the actual problem is? Do you want to use ethernet or wireless with DHCP? |
| 12:10.12 | babilen | aristotles: Enjoy! :) |
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| 12:10.33 | disbrained | I'll try and explain it |
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| 12:10.54 | disbrained | i am using windows as well as linux |
| 12:11.17 | disbrained | in windows i use dhcp and i get my io |
| 12:11.20 | disbrained | ip* |
| 12:11.40 | disbrained | and with dhclient i cant seem to get an ip on any linuxes i try |
| 12:11.46 | babilen | disbrained: (do me a favour and use punctuation characters in lieu of the enter key, it is much more readable that way) |
| 12:12.20 | babilen | disbrained: Ok, please show me /etc/network/interfaces on http://paste.debian.net and the output of, say, "ifconfig eth0 up ; dhclient eth0" |
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| 12:18.03 | disbrained | god damnit having to type all that is making me insane |
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| 12:18.25 | disbrained | dhclient keeps sending discover but gets nothing back |
| 12:18.26 | babilen | disbrained: The commands really aren't that much to type ... |
| 12:18.35 | disbrained | yeah but the output kinda is |
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| 12:18.49 | babilen | disbrained: Oh, you are not connected to the internet on the box you are pasting from? |
| 12:19.08 | disbrained | yes |
| 12:19.17 | babilen | Ah, you could have mentioned that :) |
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| 12:19.45 | wols | disbrained: wlan or lan? |
| 12:19.50 | disbrained | wired |
| 12:20.12 | babilen | disbrained: So, to clarify: You plugged in the ethernet cable, the link indicator is green, you can bring up the interface with "ifconfig eth0 up", but you do not get a DHCPPACK when you run "dhclient eth0" ? |
| 12:20.12 | wols | what NIC? when pluggin in the cable, you get a notice in your kernel log? |
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| 12:20.58 | babilen | disbrained: Could you run "lspci -nn|grep -i ether" and give me the alphanumerical PCI-ID at the end ([abcd:1234]) please? |
| 12:21.08 | disbrained | yeah a bunch of sucess messages i also can get some stuff out of /proc or wherever, it s sending and recieving packets |
| 12:21.18 | babilen | disbrained: Which interfaces are listed when you run "ifconfig -a" ? |
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| 12:21.47 | sKeiths | can't install libgtk2.0-dev. any help apreciated http://paste.debian.net/230981/ |
| 12:21.52 | babilen | disbrained: What is running the DHCP server? Anything interesting in the logs of that? |
| 12:22.29 | babilen | judd: v libgtk2.0-dev |
| 12:22.30 | judd | Package: libgtk2.0-dev on i386 -- lenny: 2.12.12-1~lenny2; lenny-backports: 2.18.6-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.20.1-2; sid: 2.24.10-2; wheezy: 2.24.10-2; experimental: 2.24.14-1 |
| 12:22.52 | disbrained | i just have lo and eth0 in ifconfig -a, as it should be i assume? |
| 12:23.09 | disbrained | i sadly dont control this dhcp server |
| 12:23.20 | babilen | judd: why libgtk2.0-dev libpixman-1-0 |
| 12:23.31 | disbrained | cant lspci because its a raspberry pi |
| 12:23.41 | judd | Packages libgtk2.0-dev and libpixman-1-0 in squeeze/i386 are linked by 2 chains: libgtk2.0-dev ▶ libgtk2.0-0 ▶ libcairo2 ▶ libpixman-1-0; libgtk2.0-dev ▶ libpango1.0-dev ▶ libcairo2-dev ▶ libpixman-1-dev ▶ libpixman-1-0 |
| 12:23.44 | babilen | disbrained: Are you running Debian on it or Raspbian? |
| 12:23.55 | disbrained | raspbian |
| 12:24.24 | disbrained | but i have had the dhcp issues also with laptops, other distros, and such. windows gets it and linux doesnt |
| 12:24.26 | babilen | disbrained: Well, you want to ask in #raspbian in that case. We (#debian) do not support it and they are much more likely to know about Raspbian and the hardware platform anyway. |
| 12:24.49 | babilen | disbrained: That sounds as if your DHCP server is buggy |
| 12:25.05 | disbrained | i am really thankfull for you trying to help me out, this place just seemed an obvious place to ask |
| 12:25.10 | babilen | but that is mere conjecture |
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| 12:26.17 | vvz | disbrained: simetimes adding the MAC address of the card as dhcp-client-identifier in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf helps with certain routers |
| 12:26.20 | babilen | disbrained: Sure, no problem. It is just that we only support pure Debian for a number of technical /and/ social reasons. #raspbian is most likely a better channel for Raspbian problems (or #raspberrypi), but if you have this problem with multiple Linux clients (/all/ of them?) it sounds like a problem with your DHCP server. |
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| 12:26.56 | disbrained | i have tried passing the identifier but it doesnt help either |
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| 12:28.05 | disbrained | it just feels awkward, without the knowledge from "ipconfig /all" i would be lost in setting up my network |
| 12:28.13 | babilen | sKeiths: That looks like a problem that is hard to solve ... What does "aptitude why libpixman-1-0" give you? What about "aptitude why libcairo2" ? Plase also show me the output of "aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' -F'%100p'" |
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| 12:28.37 | babilen | sKeiths: all of that → http://paste.debian.net please |
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| 12:29.28 | babilen | disbrained: You might want to try it with a different DHCP server -- That would be my first approach in order to rule out problems on that end. DHCP works on Linux, but if you have problems with multiple clients it is most likely the server. |
| 12:29.58 | sKeiths | results: http://paste.debian.net/230986/ |
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| 12:30.27 | censor | hi all |
| 12:30.30 | disbrained | okay, I'll try and compile some more info on that matter and be back tomorrow or something |
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| 12:30.52 | disbrained | have a nice day you guys |
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| 12:30.59 | babilen | sKeiths: yeah, looks as if your iceweasel installation conflicts with the dependencies of the package you want to install |
| 12:31.23 | babilen | disbrained: Good luck! (and remember to ask in the correct channel, #debian is only appropriate if you are using pure Debian) |
| 12:31.48 | censor | i'm trying to get a coredump from apache2 (been in their channel already) because i've been getting reproduceable segfaults on a page, so i set the CoredumpDir directive and set ulimit -c unlimited |
| 12:31.55 | sKeiths | i could try uninstall iceweasel, then install libgtk2.0-dev, then after reinstall iceweqasel |
| 12:32.18 | censor | but then the segfaults didn't happen anymore! so i set it back to ulimit -c 0, there they were again ... but no coredumps, of course |
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| 12:32.21 | babilen | sKeiths: You won't be able to install libgtk2.0-dev /and/ that IW version at the same time |
| 12:32.29 | censor | any way i can fix this strange behaviour? |
| 12:32.36 | babilen | censor: *sigh* heisenbug! |
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| 12:33.06 | censor | yea, seems like |
| 12:33.13 | sKeiths | thanks babilen. i'll figure something out :) |
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| 12:34.28 | daedeloth | I'm trying to install nodejs. I've upgraded my machine to testing, but nodejs does not seem to be in the repository |
| 12:34.32 | daedeloth | anything that could cause this? |
| 12:35.15 | jpw | daedeloth: I highly recomend installing nodejs from source |
| 12:35.41 | daedeloth | well, I'm in sid now anyway... |
| 12:35.53 | TheGrey | o/ I'm currently attempting to compile this driver from realtek, but when I type in make I get a bunch of errors. This must be quite a nooby problem but I am sure there must be a simply solution to it: http://pastebin.com/VHNnmfah |
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| 12:36.11 | daedeloth | ah ok it's available in sid |
| 12:36.14 | jpw | there's an ongoing debate about nodejs and the package that does exist is still in the 0.6 build |
| 12:36.28 | daedeloth | what is the debate? |
| 12:36.41 | jpw | ill try and find a link |
| 12:37.07 | sKeiths | babilen: still blocked, i've repeated the command you requested before, does this mean network-manager-gnome is now blocking it? http://paste.debian.net/230987/ |
| 12:39.15 | jpw | daedeloth: i can't find it right now. There was a binary naming conflict with nodejs and the ham radio package node |
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| 12:40.13 | jpw | obviously one has to give way to the other. |
| 12:40.15 | daedeloth | yea, I've noticed that on my ubuntu setup |
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| 12:45.04 | jpw | TheGrey: You are missing your kernel headers. |
| 12:46.59 | jpw | TheGrey: Run this then retry the make |
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| 12:47.05 | jpw | # apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 12:54.06 | TheGrey | jpw: I installed the headers and rebooted. But still the same errors come up. What run command do I need to type to load the headers? |
| 12:54.33 | jpw | Nothing they just need to exist. |
| 12:56.29 | TheGrey | jpw: right, it seems that my headers are not located in the /usr/src/ dir. Do I need to move the driver folder to the home dir or something like that? |
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| 12:57.54 | jpw | TheGrey you're on ubuntu aren't you? |
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| 12:58.22 | jpw | regardless. Is there not a configure script? |
| 12:58.44 | jpw | the configure script will go and find the headers for you if they weren't installed when you ran it initially. |
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| 12:59.27 | sKeiths | i'm fine now. abandoned program I was trying to install and an alternative worked first time without any dependency issues :D |
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| 13:10.13 | Armand | derp |
| 13:10.15 | juanp | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 13:31.13 | aminpy | I installed debian in virtual machine (kvm), cant ping sites in there. I add auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet static to interfaces but I cant ping any site! |
| 13:31.34 | aminpy | can anybody help me? |
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| 13:32.14 | zykotick9 | aminpy: are you specifying a valid ip address? are you using NAT or have you setup bridging? if you try DHCP does it work? |
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| 13:34.53 | zykotick9 | aminpy: also, are you using kvm directly, or libvirt (via virt-manager)? |
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| 13:35.44 | I-330 | hmm |
| 13:35.59 | I-330 | I have another problem |
| 13:36.15 | aminpy | zykotick9: I'm using libvirtd virt-manager |
| 13:36.19 | I-330 | apparently support for mobility radeon 7500 was dropped from the radeon driver |
| 13:36.28 | aminpy | zykotick9: I don't use valid ip |
| 13:36.39 | I-330 | now I assume it uses the vesa driver as a fallback |
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| 13:37.31 | zykotick9 | aminpy: perhaps you don't understand that question? if "I don't use valid ip" how do you expect it to work? |
| 13:37.32 | aminpy | zykotick9: I want have a debian in virtual machin simply in my laptop |
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| 13:38.12 | aminpy | zykotick9: I only want connect to the internet in the virtual debian |
| 13:38.22 | zykotick9 | aminpy: i'd recommend you start by using DHCP, verify that works. if it does - then try static ip. |
| 13:38.32 | aminpy | zykotick9: how can I setup network on it? |
| 13:39.30 | colo-work | is there infiniband/ofed support in "vanilla" debian, either squeeze or wheezy, and I just cannot find it? :) |
| 13:39.34 | aminpy | zykotick9: I changed static to dhcp and restart networking but I can't ping any site yet |
| 13:39.36 | zykotick9 | aminpy: i use kvm directly, i don't really know how virt-manager manages networking. BUT you are probably limited to NAT if you haven't taken steps to setup bridgeing. |
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| 13:39.58 | rgr | trying to run Flashtool (an android flashing program) I get (on only one of my three debian wheezy 64 bit installs) "Java version must be 1.6 or 1.7"- Looking at the flashtool script its checking for an env called isjava6 and isjava7. Are these commonly used ? Google sheds next to nothing on the subject. I have the openjdk 7 installed. |
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| 13:40.43 | colo-work | flashtool is utterly crappy android-kiddie-horseshit |
| 13:41.04 | zykotick9 | aminpy: you might want to seek assistance in #virt on oftc |
| 13:41.06 | rgr | Thanks for that, now do you have anything adult to add? |
| 13:41.10 | babilen | sKeiths: Well, you naturally have to downgrade whatever you installed from backports to the version in Squeeze. Is this your personal box? |
| 13:41.37 | judgen | heated discussion... better stay out of it. |
| 13:41.53 | boudiccas | rgr: i was totally unable to get flashtool working on squeeze,good luck |
| 13:41.59 | rgr | cheers |
| 13:42.27 | boudiccas | rgr: i ended up installing java from oracle but still didnt work |
| 13:42.50 | TheGrey_ | o/ I've installed debian non-free aptitude stuff for my wifi realtek driver. Whilst my system uses a PCI-E wifi card, for some bizzare reason the driver that my system uses is not the pci wireless driver (rt8192se_pci). It uses the rtl8192se driver. What the hell can I do? I tired blacklisting the rtl8192se driver and rebooted and received no wifi signal. Help is muuch obliged. Thanks. |
| 13:42.58 | rgr | I was just looking at that too. One thing you can be sure of with linux is that java will always come and bite you in the arse. |
| 13:43.36 | aminpy | why every config is hard in debian |
| 13:43.40 | aminpy | ?/????? |
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| 13:43.49 | aminpy | I hate debian |
| 13:43.58 | burble | my debian does not work. I found an ethernet cable and it still won't configure apt |
| 13:43.59 | ChrisH | loves debian |
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| 13:44.12 | boudiccas | aminpy: thrn #try something else, goodbye |
| 13:44.25 | boudiccas | aminpy: then try |
| 13:44.26 | aminpy | burble: because debian is a shit distro |
| 13:44.49 | boudiccas | aminpy: my debian just works out of the box |
| 13:44.49 | rozie | PEBKAC |
| 13:44.49 | babilen | aminpy: Please keep it professional |
| 13:44.52 | rgr | boudiccas: the google land info for rooting from linux an xperia pro is such a total and utter mess polluted with "I did" updates from people with absolutely no clue. Its painful trying to find correct info. |
| 13:45.37 | boudiccas | rgr: take it to #d-o and i'll chat more |
| 13:45.39 | ChrisH | TheGrey_: Does it work with the driver the system selected? |
| 13:45.56 | rozie | TheGrey_: blacklisting and loading proper modules should help |
| 13:46.42 | rozie | TheGrey_: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x - take a look on this |
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| 13:49.23 | TheGrey_ | ChrisH: I get the same 8 kb/s per secound with this driver. I believe that I am using the rtl8192se driver. I think my system should use the r8192se_pci. I have so far spent sadly my entire morning trying to fix this issue. rozie: I have followed those instructions and there has been no diffrence to these issues. What troubleshooting/basic checks do I need to do? What do I need to do to know what wifi driver I am using. Any help is much obliged. Thanks |
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| 13:51.50 | TheGrey_ | rozie: How can I remove the rtl driver and load the other driver |
| 13:52.21 | ChrisH | TheGrey_: pastebin lspci ; dmesg ; iwlist or iwscan or iwconfig ; ifconfig -a to paste.debian.net to start |
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| 13:52.35 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell TheGrey_ about rtl8192se |
| 13:53.55 | rozie | TheGrey_: rmmod |
| 13:54.07 | vvz | apt-cache policy firmware-realtek |
| 13:54.10 | TheGrey_ | ChrisH: thank you : http://pastebin.com/FrDLBgfM |
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| 13:57.17 | m8 | Hi do you know a ftp daemon which support events I.E. call a script when i drop a file |
| 13:57.47 | m8 | Conoscete un demone ftp server che supporti eventi? Dovrei chiamare uno script quando viene trasferito un file con successo |
| 13:58.02 | boudiccas | !it |
| 13:58.02 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 13:59.37 | ChrisH | TheGrey_: all looks fine... Only weird: Bit Rate=2 Mb/s The Routers signal seems to be week |
| 13:59.59 | m8 | boudiccas, xchat error /amsg is for all servers argh |
| 14:01.05 | TheGrey_ | ChrisH: right, I do have a wifi problem anyway (to make things more complex). Its just that my sons computer is fine on occassions, when mine is bad. It seems that for me there is both a wifi driver problem and a wifi router problem |
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| 14:02.11 | TheGrey_ | ChrisH: I think that if I can load the r8192se_pci driver instead of the rtl8192se driver I may be in luck. I know how to remove the r8192se module. How do I then load the r8192se_pci module into my kernel?! |
| 14:03.43 | wols | TheGrey_: you blacklist the one you don't want (including initrd) and put the _pci module in /etc/modules |
| 14:03.48 | wols | TheGrey_: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 14:04.56 | ChrisH | TheGrey_: can you show me the one line from lspci -n -s 06:00.0 here? |
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| 14:05.43 | TheGrey_ | wols: thanks. when can I find my r8192se_pci module? when I tried modprobe it told me it doesn't exist. I'm pretty sure it must be installed considering I followed the guide from the debian wifi guide with the aptitude non-free wifi stuff. |
| 14:06.12 | TheGrey_ | ChrisH: thanks: lspci -n -s 06:00.0 |
| 14:06.27 | TheGrey_ | ChrisH: I nmean: 06:00.0 0280: 10ec:8172 (rev 10) |
| 14:06.31 | saban | hi. i have raid 5 with 6hdds with system on it. if i insert a new hdd and install system there will this system be able to read raid 5? |
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| 14:07.17 | wols | TheGrey_: what stuff exactly, and what makes you think that installs additional modules? |
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| 14:07.34 | wols | saban: depends on the RAID. possibly |
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| 14:07.52 | ChrisH | TheGrey_ I cannot http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x states rtl8192se top be used for that PCI IDs. nothing else. |
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| 14:08.04 | TheGrey_ | wols: sorry: stuff: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Wheezy . |
| 14:08.16 | saban | wols: its standard software raid in debian |
| 14:09.05 | wols | saban: then any linux kernel and any other linux distro should work. just have backups, as always |
| 14:09.36 | saban | wols: ok tnx will geave it a try |
| 14:10.05 | TheGrey_ | ChrisH: right ;_;...In essense on occasion I cannot get wifi, when my windows laptop in front of me does. On occasions the wifi is very poor 8kb/s. I though that if I load the r8192se_pci driver, I will be able to fix these problems. I am in darkness and have no idea what to do now. |
| 14:11.02 | saban | just another thing. if i change sata order on mother board will this brake raid5? or debian can read it without bios hdd order |
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| 14:13.40 | TheGrey_ | Is my wifi problem practically insolvable? |
| 14:13.42 | ChrisH | saban: md is expected to find the raid while scanning the disks and detect the UUIDs. I never tried it in real life with a reaid 5 only with Raid 1. There the devicefiles changed during some upgrade from hd to sd |
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| 14:13.56 | jhutchins_wk | Realtek network cards are typically priced at less than $10. You get what you pay for. |
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| 14:14.27 | TheGrey_ | jhutchins_wk: so what would be a better card? |
| 14:14.29 | burble | you get what your manufactuergives you |
| 14:15.01 | ChrisH | TheGrey_: Wifi is not as stable as a cable. Check if its easy possible to get a cable there. Otherwise change the place of the card, add an external antenna |
| 14:15.03 | jhutchins_wk | TheGrey_: Intel is pretty solid. |
| 14:15.12 | burble | get a linksys pcie. they are awesome and still pretty cheap. and compatible with everything |
| 14:15.15 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: for wireless, too? |
| 14:15.29 | jhutchins_wk | TheGrey_: You can mess with channels, you can play around with antenna orientation. |
| 14:16.01 | TheGrey_ | and if I add the card, will I need to remoev all the realtek module . or will they be fine sitting in my system? |
| 14:16.04 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Yeah, they're ok, nothing particularly brilliant. |
| 14:16.27 | jhutchins_wk | TheGrey_: The modules should not load if they don't see the hardware. |
| 14:16.33 | rgr | leave them |
| 14:17.08 | TheGrey_ | thanks and which specific model you recommend ? there must be loads of pci e cards to choose from |
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| 14:17.46 | wols | I prefer atheros since intel is not available. and I have great luck with my 10$ Atheros TP-Link cards so far |
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| 14:18.10 | jhutchins_wk | Broadcom has a good reputation. Atheros is well established as being reliable. Marvell claims extreme speed. |
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| 14:18.33 | wols | broadcom has the shitties reputation possible jhutchins_wk |
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| 14:18.40 | wols | it's below ralink or realtek |
| 14:18.53 | rgr | broadcomm? With linux? |
| 14:19.22 | wols | I and don't know any marvell wlan chips, or rather never heard of any. maybe they do exist after all? |
| 14:19.42 | jhutchins_wk | Intel 802.11n: http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Ultimate-633ANHMW-802-11n-Adapter/dp/B0038A9HSK |
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| 14:20.09 | jhutchins_wk | wols: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/010308-ces-marvell-80211-chipset.html |
| 14:20.30 | wols | generally mini PCIe is not PCIe jhutchins_wk |
| 14:20.55 | jhutchins_wk | It's a chipset, you can put it on any bus board. |
| 14:21.07 | rgr | yes, but its hardly mainstream and common. |
| 14:21.09 | wols | jhutchins_wk: I'd be more impressed with a 5 year old driver in 2.6.18, not some CES announcement |
| 14:21.18 | rgr | ditto |
| 14:21.28 | jhutchins_wk | For 11n. Right. |
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| 14:21.47 | wols | it's a 5 year old announcement, so I expect a 5 year old driver. what else? |
| 14:22.01 | wols | marvell doesn't make shit basically. not anything you can readily find in anything |
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| 14:22.10 | wols | what driver this this chipset you dragged out use? |
| 14:22.36 | jhutchins_wk | Then again, you're probably not going to get 450G through a $25 router. |
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| 14:23.13 | wols | yep, even pogoplug, marvell linux device par excellence seems to use realtek |
| 14:23.18 | Macca- | why do i keep getting this error https://gist.github.com/4691555 ? |
| 14:23.27 | Macca- | i have python2.7 installed |
| 14:23.57 | wols | ,versions python-bcrypt |
| 14:23.58 | judd | Package: python-bcrypt on i386 -- lenny: 0.1-1; squeeze: 0.1-1+b1; sid: 0.1-1+b2; wheezy: 0.1-1+b2 |
| 14:24.23 | wols | Macca-: the dependency is for a version lower than 2.7 |
| 14:24.24 | jhutchins_wk | wols: I think I missed your chipset recommendation. |
| 14:24.25 | ksk | and it needs a version < 2.7 |
| 14:24.52 | wols | jhutchins_wk: intel, since not available atheros. 7 minutes ago |
| 14:25.00 | jhutchins_wk | k. |
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| 14:25.11 | Macca- | hmm. |
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| 14:25.56 | jhutchins_wk | wols: Not an AR9287? |
| 14:26.12 | wols | jhutchins_wk: give it up |
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| 14:35.08 | quebre | how can i change debian language from german to english ? |
| 14:35.11 | quebre | from command line? |
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| 14:37.29 | daemonkeeper | quebre: Update your locales and/or set /etc/default/locale |
| 14:37.49 | quebre | thx |
| 14:38.14 | jpw | there's also the `update-locale` command |
| 14:38.24 | daemonkeeper | Which writes the latter |
| 14:38.25 | jacks_appendix | So debian unstable destroyed my whole system, and to add insult to injury, installed gnome3 on there too. I can no longer decrypt a password file of mine because gedit no longer has the option to "decrypt" in the edit menu. How can i decrypt this txt file on command line? |
| 14:38.26 | jpw | which is the 'debian way' |
| 14:39.01 | quebre | so for english it would be en_EN.UTF-8 ? |
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| 14:39.53 | quebre | *** update-locale: Error: invalid locale settings: LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
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| 14:40.57 | jpw | this is my /etc/default/locale: |
| 14:40.59 | jpw | LANG="en_GB.UTF-8" |
| 14:40.59 | jpw | LANGUAGE="en_GB:en" |
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| 14:41.19 | quebre | yes but seems that en_US.UTF-8 is also correct |
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| 14:41.27 | abrotman | jacks_appendix2: that's the danger of running 'unstable' .. try running 'file' on the file, see if it can tell how it's encrypted .. i'll guess it's just gpg encrypted, alternately, install squeeze in a VM |
| 14:41.27 | quebre | i guess i don't have it installed |
| 14:41.33 | quebre | and wondering how to install this english lang |
| 14:41.38 | themill | quebre: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:41.41 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: It is. |
| 14:41.49 | abrotman | so why is he whining? |
| 14:41.51 | quebre | themill: ok |
| 14:42.06 | abrotman | kids these days .. don't understand debian unstable or gnupg :) |
| 14:42.20 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: Because it lacks the "decrypt" button, you know no GUI is almost the same as disappeared :p |
| 14:42.33 | abrotman | OMGBROKENZ |
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| 14:43.12 | SpeedyG | hi, i'm having issues that when a youtube video starts in chrome, both youtube and audacious gets muted and are impossible to get playing again without quiting both and muting/unmuting audio... |
| 14:43.26 | SpeedyG | does anyone have a clue where to look for solving this issue as I can't find it :( |
| 14:43.29 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: Moreover, about 5 seconds of googling reveal, the plugin comes from a gedit plugin (package: gedit-plugins) and contacts seahorse. |
| 14:43.40 | daemonkeeper | *button |
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| 14:47.58 | jacks_appendix | abrotman, i know how it's encrypted. I use pgp keys. |
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| 14:48.15 | daemonkeeper | quebre: You don't need to "install" English locales by the way. That's the default anyway. |
| 14:49.04 | daemonkeeper | You can only localize programs, especially large GUI toolkits have separated non-English locales into their own packages. |
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| 14:49.07 | themill | daemonkeeper: it is? |
| 14:49.08 | ChrisH | jacks_appendix: try gpg -r "YOUR KEY" --decrypt-files - < $FILE |
| 14:49.09 | quebre | daemonkeeper: yeah but i needed to do dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 14:49.27 | quebre | daemonkeeper: after i did that i then did 'update-locale' and then it worked without error |
| 14:49.33 | jacks_appendix | Thanks ChrisH, i'll try that now. |
| 14:49.46 | ChrisH | jacks_appendix: at least thats the way I do it |
| 14:49.56 | daemonkeeper | themill: Well, I have yet to find a program with LANG=C not printing out English strings? :> |
| 14:50.07 | themill | daemonkeeper: C != en_US.UTF.8 |
| 14:50.16 | daemonkeeper | themill: FSVO it is. |
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| 14:50.58 | themill | you'd still do very nasty things to any program if you asked for en_US.UTF.8 but it wasn't installed on the system |
| 14:51.00 | jelly | gives daemonkeeper backup software that insists on filenames being encoded properly |
| 14:51.06 | daemonkeeper | Either way, whether you use C locales, or en_* (or de_*), it's there already for non-GUI programs. |
| 14:51.48 | themill | daemonkeeper: C is configured, but are en_XY.UTF-8 actually configured on systems when the user has chosen something other than english in the installer? |
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| 14:52.19 | themill | gettext and friends will just return errors if you set environment variables to a locale that is not available on the local machine. |
| 14:52.25 | daemonkeeper | themill: It's pretty hard to come there, even if you bootstrap and install locales yourself you get the prompt. |
| 14:52.25 | jelly | themill: yes on sane OSes like Ubuntu! |
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| 14:52.33 | jelly | hides |
| 14:52.52 | daemonkeeper | themill: But if I'm bored enough I may try :> |
| 14:53.01 | daemonkeeper | themill: I'd hope it defaults to C then. |
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| 14:53.30 | themill | daemonkeeper: yes. And ASCII. And US-letter. |
| 14:53.41 | SpeedyG | slaps jelly around a bit with some pieces of slackware |
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| 15:00.00 | quebre | what is the difference between C and en_US anyway? both seems to be english.. |
| 15:01.37 | ksk | C should only be ASCII? |
| 15:01.45 | jelly | quebre: 7 bit clean vs. ISO-8859-1 |
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| 15:01.58 | babilen | There is also C.UTF-8 fwiw |
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| 15:02.38 | quebre | so better option would be en_US than C as en_US have more hmm characters ? |
| 15:02.38 | themill | I have no idea what currency, date format, paper format or collation differences there could be |
| 15:03.03 | jelly | yeah, didn't want to touch those |
| 15:03.23 | jelly | collation will definitely be different |
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| 15:04.15 | themill | You can poke around in /usr/share/i18n/locales/{C,en_*} for amusement if you like |
| 15:05.24 | themill | en_US defines a decimal separator (so it's "1,000") whereas C does not ("1000"). There are lots of little differences. |
| 15:05.41 | themill | s/decimal/thousands/ |
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| 15:07.58 | Towzzer | everything should be ascii |
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| 15:08.37 | JordiGH | Hey, can you guys help me diagnose something? This looks like weird ldd output. Supposedly this is a squeeze system, but /lib/i686? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=699300#82 |
| 15:09.45 | emper0r | hay what is the apt-(command) to see if /usr/bin/foo/bar exist in some packages? |
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| 15:10.05 | themill | !utf8smite Towzzer |
| 15:10.06 | dpkg | ѕtrіkеѕ Towzzer wⅰtҺ а ρⅼаgυе оf Uηіϲօԁе ϲҺаrаϲtеrѕ. |
| 15:10.20 | themill | dpkg: tell emper0r about apt-file |
| 15:10.31 | emper0r | thxn... file file right |
| 15:10.36 | themill | emper0r: or dpkg -S or dlocate if you're talking about packages that are installed |
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| 15:11.39 | emper0r | uhmm good.. i prefer anyone... so i want to get with 1st tips.. and thx again for the rest to my info update |
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| 15:13.50 | emper0r | themill: um my local mirror not have dists/unstable/main/Contents-amd64.gz ... in my debmirror options .. what optios would be add to get it? |
| 15:13.59 | emper0r | apt-file is failed about that |
| 15:14.19 | JordiGH | Hm, no, looks like libc6-i686 on squeeze does have these files: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/libc6-i686/filelist |
| 15:14.44 | ChrisH | JordiGH: check http://packages.debian.org/de/squeeze/kfreebsd-i386/libc0.1-i686/filelist |
| 15:14.53 | themill | emper0r: --getcontents |
| 15:14.58 | JordiGH | /de/ ? |
| 15:15.23 | JordiGH | ChrisH: Why are you showing me the one for kFreeBSD? |
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| 15:15.41 | ChrisH | JordiGH: because there the lib/i686 is visible |
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| 15:16.41 | emper0r | uhmm nice |
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| 15:17.17 | wald0 | is the second time that i try debian wheezy in a (different) acer laptop and i see a big flickering in the screen, anybody has also this problem ? it doesn't happens in older versions of debian |
| 15:17.18 | ChrisH | JordiGH: honestely I only put it into google and found it.. found another less nice one http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i386/libc6-i686/filelist |
| 15:17.42 | JordiGH | ChrisH: You put it into google.de, no doubt. |
| 15:17.49 | JordiGH | ChrisH: Anyways, it looks like my ldd output isn't so weird. |
| 15:18.04 | ChrisH | JordiGH: My chromium offers de as primary language |
| 15:18.18 | ChrisH | JordiGH: and ignore the ubunut one. |
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| 15:18.52 | themill | JordiGH: libc6-i686 in debian. apt-file is your friend |
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| 15:20.46 | JordiGH | themill: apt-file won't work for me, because it's for a different arch than the one I'm running. |
| 15:21.06 | themill | JordiGH: man apt-file. |
| 15:21.15 | themill | (or you can use judd) |
| 15:22.10 | ChrisH | themill: apt-file does not seem to be my friend. I tried apt-file search /lib/i686/cmov/librt.so.1 |
| 15:22.32 | ChrisH | why did it not find any match? |
| 15:22.34 | themill | libc6-i686: /lib/i686/cmov/librt.so.1 |
| 15:23.09 | themill | ChrisH: are you running i386? did you update your indicies? if not running i386, did you explicitly tell apt-file to update and search i386? |
| 15:23.34 | JordiGH | Whatever, point is, this ldd output seems normal. |
| 15:23.47 | themill | ChrisH: (similar questions for squeeze vs wheezy/sid) |
| 15:23.52 | JordiGH | So, does someone have an i386 squeeze system to test the Octave 3.6.2 backport on? I'm starting to wonder if something is actually broken. |
| 15:24.04 | ChrisH | themill: http://paste.debian.net/231011/ is what I got... and I am on wheezy amd64 |
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| 15:24.49 | themill | ChrisH: yeah, so not squeeze and not i386, so you'd have to tell apt-file that's what you wanted. (or just use judd) |
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| 15:27.09 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 15:28.01 | johnfg | is there a way I can get the net working on wheezy in virtualbox? I installed it last night on my squeeze machine. |
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| 15:28.18 | johnfg | (not virtualbox, but wheezy...) |
| 15:28.31 | ChrisH | themill: thanks. |
| 15:28.46 | wols | johnfg: you come a cross a little garbled. maybe try again? |
| 15:28.50 | johnfg | It looks good, although the full features of gnome 3 won't work on this system, an older one. |
| 15:29.08 | themill | johnfg: sure, but you need to define precisely what you want to be able to do on the network. (virtualbox manual has quite an extensive chapter on networking) |
| 15:29.54 | johnfg | wols: I installed wheezy in virtualbox. All went well. But I don't know what to do to get the network up. |
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| 15:30.23 | johnfg | themill: ok, you think it's virtualbox rather than wheezy? |
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| 15:30.43 | themill | johnfg: it's a configuration issue, yes. |
| 15:31.12 | themill | johnfg: you need to configure all of host system, virtualisation software and guest system |
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| 15:31.48 | johnfg | I'm just wanting to test testing, i.e., wheezy. It installed flawlessly, right up until it's not allowing another repo for updates because of the lack of network connectivity. |
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| 15:34.38 | ChrisH | johnfg: Is this your first VM in that virtual box setup? Can we assume Virtual Box is configured correct? What is the Host OS? |
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| 15:36.56 | johnfg | ChrisH: No, I've done too many VM's to remember, and squeeze is the host OS. |
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| 15:38.12 | johnfg | I may not have it configured correctly, especially in regards to the network. I remember linuxmint-debian working fine, but not any since. |
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| 15:40.41 | johnfg | Besides the simple choices inside virtualbox, settings, network...is there somewhere else to configure the network for it? |
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| 15:42.41 | themill | johnfg: for what you want, telling vbox to just use NAT should be sufficient. Then tell your guest to use dhcp |
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| 15:47.00 | ChrisH | johnfg: if it still does not work, show us /etc/network/interfaces ;ifconfig -a to paste.debian.net |
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| 15:47.48 | johnfg | From wheezy, right? |
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| 15:48.18 | ChrisH | johnfg: from the guest, yes |
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| 15:50.02 | ggherdov_ | Hi all. I have done this a hundred times but *always* forgot how. I need to change the language and keyboard layout for *all users*, *system wide*. What was the trick? |
| 15:52.00 | johnfg | Ok, after deleting the wired connection, then adding it, the network is working. weird! |
| 15:52.30 | johnfg | Is synaptic package manager not part of wheezy? |
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| 15:53.16 | johnfg | nevermind, it was hidden... |
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| 15:56.54 | johnfg | What do I have to do to get nautilus-open-terminal? so I can right click and get a terminal? I don't see it in spm. |
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| 15:58.14 | jpw | ggherdov_: HINT: `update-locale` |
| 15:58.40 | ggherdov_ | jpw: thanks, trying that |
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| 16:01.20 | Meakeel | Hello All, I have a couple of CGI scripts, how can I get them to start on startup of the server and run in the background? |
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| 16:01.56 | koollman | Meakeel: cgi scripts usually are called by web requests. So the only thing that is actually started is a webserver |
| 16:01.58 | jordanm | CGI scripts don't run in the background |
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| 16:02.14 | jordanm | fcgi will make it more persistent I guess |
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| 16:02.30 | Meakeel | # 12. Install RRDtool (at least version 1.4) |
| 16:02.30 | Meakeel | # 13. Create FlowTracker_Filter and FlowTracker_RRDtool directories |
| 16:02.31 | Meakeel | # 14. Configure FlowViewer_Configuration.pm variables as necessary |
| 16:02.31 | Meakeel | # 15. Start FlowTracker_Collector, FlowTracker_Grapher in background |
| 16:02.31 | Meakeel | # 16. Point browser to FV.cgi |
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| 16:03.04 | quebre | # 17. Don't spam |
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| 16:03.06 | quebre | :D |
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| 16:03.27 | johnfg | Ok, even though the connection says it's active, it's not really connected. |
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| 16:03.56 | johnfg | I'm not able to paste from the guest into the host. Is there a trick to allow this? |
| 16:04.09 | jordanm | virtualbox? |
| 16:04.10 | jpw | !paste |
| 16:04.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 16:04.16 | Meakeel | :( got kicked |
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| 16:04.28 | Meakeel | I'll try the fcgi |
| 16:04.46 | Meakeel | thanks jordanm |
| 16:04.47 | jordanm | johnfg, you have to install guest additions on the guest and restart X |
| 16:05.07 | johnfg | jordanm: Ok, will do. |
| 16:06.40 | Devastator | nfs-common is failing to start during boot, I've tried the solution of replacing portmap to rpcbind but it didn't work, in /var/log/syslog I see something like: rpc.statd: Caught signal 15, un-registering and exiting, any suggestions? |
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| 16:09.51 | nn0101 | hi #debian! |
| 16:09.57 | nn0101 | how's it going |
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| 16:10.42 | nn0101 | i am trying to install debian into this laptop. stuck at trying to find a cd-rom. |
| 16:11.03 | nn0101 | (booting off a usb net isntall done through dd) |
| 16:11.08 | abrotman | did you use unetbootin ? |
| 16:11.10 | nn0101 | can anyone help me? |
| 16:11.23 | nn0101 | abrotman: thanks. no i didn't. |
| 16:11.26 | nn0101 | abrotman: should i? |
| 16:11.39 | abrotman | no |
| 16:11.59 | abrotman | the manual says to use zcat, not sure how dd affects that |
| 16:12.20 | wald0 | is the second time that i try debian wheezy in a (different) acer laptop and i see a big flickering in the screen, anybody has also this problem ? it doesn't happens in older versions of debian |
| 16:12.22 | nn0101 | abrotman: the image is debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 16:12.30 | nn0101 | abrotman: oh btw, i use osx dd |
| 16:12.32 | ChrisH | Devastator: that logentry does not really help. it just states statd does a proper shutdown. |
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| 16:13.03 | nn0101 | abrotman: i tried mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /cdrom but /cdrom is empty! |
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| 16:13.41 | ChrisH | Devastator: did you made any changes to /etc/default/nfs-common ? |
| 16:14.06 | abrotman | nn0101: it's not vfat |
| 16:14.10 | abrotman | !tell nn0101 about usb install |
| 16:14.13 | nn0101 | abrotman: the usb boots ok. the stage where it fails is "Detect and mount CD-ROM" |
| 16:14.27 | ggherdov_ | jpw: the update-locale didn't make it. I suspect my system misses the locale I want, i.e. I am with QWERTY en_US, but want to go to AZERTY and french. Any gotcha? |
| 16:14.28 | abrotman | right |
| 16:15.05 | ChrisH | Devastator: I never had issues starting nfs in near past. Some days ago there were some weird ordering in starting portmaper, nis, autmounter, and all the other nfs stuff. |
| 16:15.09 | Devastator | ChrisH no, this is a fresh install with kernel and a few upgrades from backports |
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| 16:15.39 | nn0101 | abrotman: are you saying that the installs wrong? that i should be using different approach to dd? |
| 16:15.54 | Devastator | ChrisH I couldn't find why it fails to start.. |
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| 16:16.03 | abrotman | nn0101: what doe s the manual say? |
| 16:16.05 | ChrisH | Devastator: does nfs-common start when the box is up? |
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| 16:17.48 | ggherdov_ | jpw: sorry to abuse of your patient; my locale currently is http://bpaste.net/show/4nx5Y2XA5dcFeKpHnLhR/ --does this show that I miss the french configuration (it looks so) |
| 16:18.02 | Devastator | ChrisH that's what I'm reporting, it fails to start during boot |
| 16:18.14 | nn0101 | abrotman: yes. i did dd if=debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/disk2 bs=4m on osx (disk2 is the usb stick) |
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| 16:19.23 | nn0101 | abrotman: and sync'ed couple of times |
| 16:19.33 | nn0101 | abrotman: i'll try cat now. |
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| 16:19.46 | nn0101 | but will it help? |
| 16:19.50 | nn0101 | shall see |
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| 16:20.36 | abrotman | the manual doesn't say dd .. |
| 16:20.54 | abrotman | or it does for the complicated method .. which is silly to use unless you have a good reason |
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| 16:21.11 | ChrisH | Devastator: Just wanted to confirm. Please pastebin: rpcinfo -p and ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S* to paste.debian.net |
| 16:21.24 | ChrisH | nn0101: is disk2 a partition? |
| 16:21.39 | nn0101 | ChrisH: no. partition is disk2s1 |
| 16:21.56 | Devastator | ChrisH will do, but I have to leave now, I will ping you later |
| 16:22.16 | ChrisH | Devastator: I might be offline later |
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| 16:22.30 | nn0101 | abrotman: i am using 4.3.1. Preparing a USB stick using a hybrid CD or DVD image. |
| 16:22.35 | MooseElkingtons | Err |
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| 16:23.19 | MooseElkingtons | I am trying to log into my account, but every time I hit 'login', it just restarts |
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| 16:23.48 | MooseElkingtons | Like gdm3 crashes or something |
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| 16:24.11 | abrotman | nn0101: which uses zcat, not dd |
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| 16:24.37 | nn0101 | abrotman: no. the manual says cat :) |
| 16:24.43 | nn0101 | abrotman: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 |
| 16:24.47 | drAvanti | hello guys |
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| 16:25.20 | drAvanti | I have many files in a dir. I want to search to find the filename that contains "XYZ". Just the filename, not the content |
| 16:26.03 | MooseElkingtons | When I usually start up my laptop, it shows a console dosplaying that its loading gdm3, then it goes black for a second, then loads the nvidia logo, and it proceeds to the login screen |
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| 16:26.29 | MooseElkingtons | Now whenever I try logging in, it just restarts. |
| 16:26.35 | ChrisH | drAvanti: man find |
| 16:26.45 | ChrisH | drAvanti: or man ls |
| 16:27.12 | MooseElkingtons | It keeps doing it :/ |
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| 16:27.34 | ChrisH | MooseElkingtons: switch to console CTRL-ALT-F1 and login there and check the log below /var/log |
| 16:27.35 | jordanm | MooseElkingtons, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:27.40 | khaije|callisto | how should I understand the difference between device names, particularly tty0 and ttyS0 ? |
| 16:27.43 | MooseElkingtons | Hmm |
| 16:27.47 | MooseElkingtons | That's odd |
| 16:27.53 | drAvanti | ChrisH - hat doesnt work |
| 16:28.01 | MooseElkingtons | It said the system default wasn't gnome |
| 16:28.18 | MooseElkingtons | Not /var/log/ |
| 16:29.06 | ChrisH | !doesnotwork |
| 16:29.37 | ChrisH | drAvanti: what does not work? reading man pages? |
| 16:30.04 | drAvanti | ChrisH: ow ok, I thought that was the command |
| 16:30.23 | abrotman | nn0101: zcat works just as well, it will see it's not compressed |
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| 16:30.49 | nn0101 | abrotman: ok |
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| 16:33.29 | nn0101 | abrotman: still saying no common cd-rom drive was detected |
| 16:34.07 | nn0101 | abrotman: zcat debian.iso>/dev/disk2 |
| 16:34.12 | MooseElkingtons | anyways, thanks for helping me. |
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| 16:35.37 | nn0101 | what should i modprobe after i drop to shell? |
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| 16:41.17 | jhutchins_wk | nn0101: Are you sure disk2 is the device, not a partition on the device? |
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| 16:41.40 | nn0101 | jhutchins_wk: yes |
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| 16:42.00 | Jaleks | anyone got an idea why my apt-mirror is not downloading all files, but just only a few at each run? |
| 16:42.14 | nn0101 | jhutchins_wk: partition is disk2s1 for e.g |
| 16:42.21 | nn0101 | /dev/disk2s1 |
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| 16:43.29 | nn0101 | i don't understand this. all other distros i've used you dd. |
| 16:43.48 | nn0101 | debian is special |
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| 16:45.43 | abrotman | nn0101: is that the wrraw deffivice? |
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| 16:48.16 | nn0101 | abrotman: i shall try that too sire. one moment. |
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| 16:53.53 | nn0101 | detect and mount cd-rom: There was a problem reading data from the removable media. Please make sure that the right media is present. if you continue to have trouble, your removable media might be bad. "Cannot read removable media, or no drivers found". |
| 16:54.15 | abrotman | nn0101: normally, you write to the device, not hte partition |
| 16:54.40 | nn0101 | abrotman: i did write to the device /dev/rdisk2 |
| 16:55.05 | abrotman | okay, normally, it's like /dev/sdc |
| 16:55.39 | nn0101 | abrotman: yeah :) osx. maybe i should do it on my pi. |
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| 16:56.06 | nn0101 | abrotman: yeah :) osx. maybe i should do it on my linux on pi. |
| 16:56.40 | Anuska | hi, i use: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward , and iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE , to share my network, if i reboot the linux not work anymore the internet |
| 16:56.41 | Anuska | hmm |
| 16:56.45 | Anuska | on other computer |
| 16:56.46 | Anuska | why? |
| 16:56.57 | Anuska | and ip_forward is 0 not 1 |
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| 16:57.59 | Towzzer | settings like that don't hold after boot |
| 16:58.06 | Towzzer | reboot* |
| 16:58.22 | Anuska | i type: iptables-save |
| 16:58.26 | Anuska | what i need to do? |
| 16:58.43 | Towzzer | /etc/sysctl.conf modify that and change ip_forward |
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| 16:59.07 | Anuska | net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 16:59.08 | Anuska | this? |
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| 16:59.32 | Towzzer | yes sir |
| 16:59.42 | Anuska | i am girl not sir |
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| 16:59.44 | Towzzer | then iptables commands can be placed in /etc/rc.local |
| 16:59.51 | Towzzer | yes mam |
| 17:00.00 | Anuska | :P |
| 17:00.24 | Anuska | if i have 2 lan ? i put in /etc/rc.local |
| 17:00.29 | Anuska | ifup eth0 |
| 17:00.31 | Anuska | ifup eth1 |
| 17:00.31 | Anuska | ? |
| 17:00.43 | Towzzer | that should happen automatically if you modify the /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 17:00.50 | luminous | I have a debian laptop which overheated, locked up, and which I hard-rebooted. now, on boot, I get dropped to cli and don't see gdm or x at all. trying to start manually doesn't really work, but I haven't really located any errors. where should I start debugging this to resolve? |
| 17:00.51 | Towzzer | and have auto eth0 and auto eth1 |
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| 17:00.55 | Anuska | let me show you |
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| 17:01.24 | Anuska | Towzzer, http://pastebin.com/ikBDFu39 |
| 17:01.50 | Jaleks | luminous: any message when starting pure 'X'? |
| 17:02.13 | luminous | tests |
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| 17:03.11 | luminous | Jaleks: ahah. |
| 17:03.23 | Anuska | dear Towzzer, is oki? what i put? |
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| 17:03.26 | luminous | so failing to load video drivers, and then vailing to create a screen |
| 17:03.28 | luminous | *failing |
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| 17:03.52 | luminous | it tried ati, vesa, and fbdev.. so that is no good.. even the super generic |
| 17:04.28 | jordanm | luminous, pastebin the log |
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| 17:07.19 | nn0101 | abrotman: hmmmm |
| 17:09.29 | nn0101 | i am out of ideas. |
| 17:10.35 | jelly | luminous: did you boot a different kernel than last time? |
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| 17:11.06 | nn0101 | i used linux dd, cat to get the iso onto /dev/sda (on my linux). it boots but still says that it can't find cd-rom. |
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| 17:11.27 | abrotman | nn0101: any better? |
| 17:11.38 | nn0101 | abrotman: not an inch. |
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| 17:12.19 | luminous | jelly: I don |
| 17:12.21 | nn0101 | detect and mount cd-rom: There was a problem reading data from the removable media. Please make sure that the right media is present. if you continue to have trouble, your removable media might be bad. "Cannot read removable media, or no drivers found". |
| 17:12.23 | luminous | jelly: I don't believe so |
| 17:12.33 | luminous | pasting, but got kid distractions |
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| 17:13.18 | nn0101 | abrotman: if i mount the same disk, mount -t iso9660 /dev/sda /mnt/ (on linux), i see all the directories - |
| 17:13.21 | nn0101 | README.html README.mirrors.txt README.txt css dists g2ldr install isolinux pics setup.exe win32-loader.ini |
| 17:13.24 | nn0101 | README.mirrors.html README.source autorun.inf debian doc g2ldr.mbr install.amd md5sum.txt pool tools |
| 17:13.32 | jelly | non-maskable kidterrupt |
| 17:14.13 | geggam | duct tape and become an internet meme |
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| 17:14.50 | geggam | is there a #taxes ? |
| 17:15.28 | Jaleks | nn0101: sorry, what are your trying to do exactly? |
| 17:15.48 | nn0101 | Jaleks: install debian 6 from usb. |
| 17:16.04 | nn0101 | Jaleks: thanks |
| 17:16.07 | geggam | ive had some thumb drives just not work for usb booting |
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| 17:16.35 | geggam | same img file and everything... some sticks just refuse to boot |
| 17:16.50 | geggam | think i wasted a day on that once |
| 17:16.51 | abrotman | nn0101: well, that's fun .. which installer is this? |
| 17:17.35 | nn0101 | abrotman: debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 17:17.44 | abrotman | nn0101: for a laptop or server? |
| 17:17.45 | luminous | jordanm: it's a simple "module does not exist, 0" for each that i named |
| 17:17.53 | nn0101 | abrotman: i got it from my mirror did a sha512sum |
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| 17:18.02 | nn0101 | abrotman: laptop |
| 17:18.08 | luminous | so maybe i just need to reinstall |
| 17:18.29 | luminous | maybe the crash took out thosefiles |
| 17:18.36 | jordanm | luminous, kernel module or X driver? |
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| 17:22.35 | Anuska | work |
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| 17:24.07 | nn0101 | abrotman: samsung np700z3a |
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| 17:24.20 | nn0101 | abrotman: brand new! :) |
| 17:24.25 | nn0101 | DOH! |
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| 17:24.38 | nn0101 | this beast has 2 usb3.0 lolz |
| 17:24.44 | nn0101 | and 1 usb2.0 |
| 17:24.50 | nn0101 | i plugged into usb2.0 and viola |
| 17:24.51 | nn0101 | :D |
| 17:25.20 | nn0101 | abrotman: Jaleks ^^^^ |
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| 17:26.07 | nn0101 | hmm.. what's a good hostname |
| 17:26.10 | nn0101 | figures |
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| 17:26.20 | geggam | nn0101, http://www.pcworld.com/article/2026807/booting-linux-via-uefi-can-brick-some-samsung-laptops.html |
| 17:26.26 | geggam | not sure if you are impacted |
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| 17:26.33 | geggam | but i would check first |
| 17:26.34 | nn0101 | geggam: uefi is disabled |
| 17:26.37 | geggam | heh |
| 17:26.40 | nn0101 | ;) |
| 17:27.04 | geggam | we are having issues with dell servers and uefi with centos too |
| 17:27.16 | geggam | uefi is da new debbil |
| 17:27.36 | nn0101 | maybe i should name this tarzan |
| 17:27.52 | nn0101 | hostname |
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| 17:31.00 | luminous | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:32.37 | luminous | i guess, to be more specific, the log is not 100% clear. it says that X failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist, 0) and eventually that "no drivers available" |
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| 17:36.47 | hellhammer | im running ubuntu 10.04 software center and synapatic are not letting me install anything because of a segmentation fault error how do i fix this? |
| 17:37.28 | bazhang | hellhammer, why ask in #debian |
| 17:37.29 | jpw | hellhammer: the first step is to /join #ubuntu |
| 17:37.48 | bazhang | he's crossposting there and about 5 other channels |
| 17:38.07 | jpw | yea i just noticed that too |
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| 17:42.24 | peterrooney | !cross post |
| 17:42.25 | dpkg | Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>. |
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| 17:48.27 | TheGrey | o/ my audio is only making me hear the background sounds of videos/music. the vocals are either absent or too low. If I restart things seem to work for a while. What can I do to solve this problem? |
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| 17:49.31 | Towzzer | TheGrey |
| 17:49.45 | Towzzer | I know this is not software related but due to the way audio is encoded these days |
| 17:49.49 | Towzzer | something called joint stereo |
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| 17:50.11 | Towzzer | assuming this is 2 channel, that is, make sure your plus is all the way in the jack |
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| 17:51.34 | TheGrey | Towzzer: i've been having quite a few audio problems. AFter installing ardour I installed pulseaudio, and then attempted to uninstall it and bring back alsa. is there like a way in which I can get reinstall all the audio stuff I need? |
| 17:52.34 | Towzzer | oh, no idea |
| 17:52.35 | Towzzer | sorry |
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| 17:52.43 | Towzzer | I don't know desktop linux anything : ( |
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| 18:03.50 | peterrooney | Give the pulseaudio guy a winning ten million dollar lottery ticket, so he'll stop working on it? |
| 18:04.37 | EmleyMoor | pulseaudio is good, except when it gets in the way. |
| 18:05.09 | D-Boy | I have splitted staff between vms, If i compile things on VM A, Can I just copy the binaries to the VM B without compiling again on VM B? (same VMs : debian squeeze) (for example nodejs) |
| 18:05.55 | dawud | D-Boy: you can even do better and package it and distribute it in deb format |
| 18:06.20 | D-Boy | dawud : cool do you have a how-to ? |
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| 18:07.33 | dawud | D-Boy: no, but if there are several tools around to generate debs easily, check for instances fpm https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm |
| 18:07.41 | dawud | s/if// |
| 18:08.48 | D-Boy | dawud : Thx, i'll check that out |
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| 18:09.52 | ksuhku | EmleyMoor, which is pretty often |
| 18:10.11 | EmleyMoor | ksuhku: Yes :[( |
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| 18:11.48 | TheGrey | o/ |
| 18:11.51 | TheGrey | I have this bizzare audio problem. My sound is like only the background sounds, no vocal sounds in like any videos or music files |
| 18:12.15 | TheGrey | I've tried using alsamixer to turn up all the settings, but no avail |
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| 18:13.40 | bluenemo | hi guys. i'm trying to setup ssl on apache (i know how), but i got a certificate zip that looks strange to me, the .key file is missing. is that normal now and what can i do now to get it :) ls -R of the unzip: http://pastebin.com/0RRTsAE6 |
| 18:15.32 | jordanm | bluenemo, the CA does not give you the private key. you use the private key to generate the CSR |
| 18:16.22 | jordanm | bluenemo, the private key remains private, even the CA should not get it |
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| 18:16.31 | bluenemo | well i got this zip from a customer telling me "install the certificate on the apache installation" |
| 18:16.37 | bluenemo | i got nothing but those files :( |
| 18:16.56 | jordanm | bluenemo, tell the customer that you also need the key used to generate the CSR |
| 18:16.58 | Towzzer | email the customer and ask them for the private key |
| 18:17.04 | dawud | bluenemo: probably the private key is _bundled_ with the server certificate |
| 18:17.08 | Towzzer | if they had someone generate the csr, ask them for the private key |
| 18:17.22 | bluenemo | ok thank you guys |
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| 18:23.58 | sepisultrum | oups, wrong chan |
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| 18:30.34 | luminous | I have X erroring on startup, saying that is unable to load gfx modules / drirvers. this started happening after a system crash (hard reboot), so it is likely that they are corrupt/unloadable. what can I do to reinstall / reload? |
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| 18:31.47 | maxxe | paste X log file |
| 18:31.56 | wols | and the output of lspci -nn |
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| 18:32.53 | abrotman | nn0101: use the wheezy installer |
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| 18:41.39 | c0rnel | hello all |
| 18:41.43 | c0rnel | debian's grub-pc "sees" arch linux but does not add it to it's grub menu. d6 and d7. is this a known problem? |
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| 18:44.18 | luminous | maxxe / wols ok, working on it.. |
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| 18:46.17 | maxxe | just use paste.debian.net and upload it from /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:48.19 | maxxe | hmm |
| 18:48.24 | maxxe | err |
| 18:48.28 | maxxe | if you don't have X |
| 18:48.35 | maxxe | maybe that's hard |
| 18:48.46 | maxxe | if you don't use w3m or lynx that is |
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| 18:51.44 | luminous | maxxe: I have added cmdline script to do so ;) |
| 18:51.56 | luminous | grabbing lspci now.. |
| 18:52.09 | maxxe | neat :) |
| 18:52.16 | luminous | dpaste.de/about |
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| 18:53.47 | luminous | maxxe: http://dpaste.de/zUSCv/ |
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| 18:57.05 | maxxe | wierd. try to mark the packages that contains these modules for re-install in aptitude, and reinstall them, perhaps also whole xserver-xorg |
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| 18:58.42 | r00t-err0r | any1 who have problem with flash player in debian wheezy ? :) |
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| 19:00.24 | maxxe | luminous: just browse to for example xserver-xorg-video-ati and press 'L' to mark it for re-install |
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| 19:00.52 | ompaul | r00t-err0r: you do, from what you said |
| 19:01.49 | r00t-err0r | i have a big problem with flash plugin in wheezy :/ thats why i`m on windows right now :/ until i downgrade my disto |
| 19:02.12 | r00t-err0r | no1 can help me here, i lose 4 hours here, but nothing :D |
| 19:02.23 | ompaul | and you were on oftc also |
| 19:02.43 | maxxe | luminous: xserver-xorg-video-fbdev for fbdev and xserver-xorg-video-vesa for vesa |
| 19:02.56 | luminous | ok, will do |
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| 19:03.33 | ompaul | r00t-err0r: did you ever do the "build an alternative user" and use that user to test flash, if so what was the result |
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| 19:03.50 | r00t-err0r | [ompaul] i do all :D |
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| 19:03.58 | ompaul | r00t-err0r: and what was the restul |
| 19:04.01 | ompaul | result |
| 19:04.02 | r00t-err0r | same shit |
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| 19:04.22 | ompaul | so basically you have something on that box that breaks flash from what you have said both here and oftc |
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| 19:04.38 | ompaul | r00t-err0r: I don't know how you installed debian or what you installed after that |
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| 19:04.55 | r00t-err0r | wanan give you my root to login to check? |
| 19:05.13 | ompaul | r00t-err0r: but that is not a reported error except by one person, you, so therefore I think it means you have to look at what else is installed on that box |
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| 19:05.27 | ompaul | r00t-err0r: you never offer anyone root on your box, you don't know what they will do |
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| 19:05.46 | r00t-err0r | i dont give a damn what they do |
| 19:05.48 | ompaul | r00t-err0r: and you should not let $random people onto your machine - bad security |
| 19:05.50 | r00t-err0r | just to fix problem :D |
| 19:06.43 | jelly-home | I have no issue logging in as root to someone's machine to fix things... for $65/hr |
| 19:06.57 | ompaul | do a clean install (time less than 1 hour) and before you install flash contact us here or on oftc and get a hand with ALL alterations to your clean install is my advice, you have spent far too long trying to work out why something which shouldn't break broke |
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| 19:07.16 | maxxe | luminous: does output of ls `ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers' list for example ati_drv.so? |
| 19:07.35 | luminous | nope |
| 19:07.42 | luminous | I'm reinstalling stuff now though |
| 19:07.45 | r00t-err0r | [ompaul] i install clean disto, and i frist thing i install is flashplugin |
| 19:07.50 | r00t-err0r | didnt work, and i came here |
| 19:08.14 | ompaul | r00t-err0r: one question, which desktop is installed |
| 19:08.16 | r00t-err0r | to ask 4 help, nobody help me, and i bootup again windows with big hate to wheezy :D |
| 19:08.18 | maxxe | luminous: ok nice :) |
| 19:08.19 | r00t-err0r | xfce |
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| 19:08.54 | ompaul | r00t-err0r: given the info the other night where you named flash by it's name from the time before it was bought by adobe you did more than you are letting on there |
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| 19:09.19 | ompaul | r00t-err0r: you tell me what I should think about that? |
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| 19:10.01 | r00t-err0r | i dont understand :D |
| 19:10.07 | r00t-err0r | i`m bad english :D |
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| 19:11.43 | wols | r00t-err0r: if you want to run windows again and hate wheezy: good riddance. blackmail like this will just annoy everyone here. and if you can't read this due to your bad english: translate.google.com |
| 19:12.06 | r00t-err0r | i understand this |
| 19:12.18 | r00t-err0r | but i spend 4-5 hours to try to fix this issue |
| 19:12.39 | r00t-err0r | and all other users here |
| 19:12.45 | r00t-err0r | they try everything |
| 19:12.53 | r00t-err0r | BUT EVERYTHING! |
| 19:12.55 | luminous | maxxe: how could I say, "reinstall all packages previously installed" |
| 19:13.00 | ompaul | r00t-err0r: I'm telling you now having read the transcript of the conversation the other night where you stuck in gnash and a lot more to do this now clean install on the box if you want so much as a hand with this |
| 19:13.09 | luminous | sorry, dunno why I directed that to you |
| 19:13.22 | wols | ompaul: frankendebian? |
| 19:13.33 | ompaul | wols: no frankly not listening ;-) |
| 19:13.59 | ompaul | wols: either it's a clean install he had lightspark and gnash and who knows what installed |
| 19:14.00 | r00t-err0r | i will try to install it again |
| 19:14.11 | ompaul | r00t-err0r: and don't do anything other than come here straight after |
| 19:14.39 | ompaul | wols: sorry either he does clean or he should use windows |
| 19:14.52 | ompaul | wols: I'm under pressure to be social back in a bit |
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| 19:15.00 | r00t-err0r | ok, but if there is a problem again, who will pay me my spend time :D |
| 19:15.31 | maxxe | luminous: don't know if you mean by perviously, if that means ALL installed packages on the system at the moment, mark the whole category `Installed packages' and press L... else i don't know, maybe you can see what packages you've installed from aptitude.log |
| 19:16.05 | luminous | hrm, ok |
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| 19:16.33 | luminous | I guess I don't mean "previously" as in that vague, but "installed and not uninstalled" |
| 19:16.43 | tremon | luminous: there is aptitude reinstall ~i but you should expect to run into dependency and/or immediate-configuration issues |
| 19:17.17 | luminous | tremon: maxxe's sugestion ought to work |
| 19:17.36 | maxxe | luminous: purged? |
| 19:17.53 | maxxe | not purged i mean... |
| 19:18.03 | luminous | nah, you are right with the installed category |
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| 19:18.21 | luminous | at least, I hope this works, I think this'll help :) |
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| 19:18.39 | maxxe | let me know if X starts :) |
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| 19:18.49 | luminous | will do |
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| 19:20.08 | r00t-err0r | [ompaul] can i downlaod sqeezy :D |
| 19:20.14 | r00t-err0r | and why to download from here |
| 19:20.15 | r00t-err0r | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 19:23.58 | Silent | Hello :) |
| 19:24.13 | Silent | Can I do NIC bonding with WAN interfaces? |
| 19:24.31 | jelly-home | Silent: not directly, and not really |
| 19:24.48 | Silent | In my area, we are only able to get 10 MB/s download intenet. I would like to get 2 connections and have better perforamnce. |
| 19:25.12 | Silent | Hmm.. Is it at least possible to downlaod 2 files, each at 10 MB/s ? |
| 19:25.18 | jelly-home | I'd give good money for 80Mbps |
| 19:25.36 | Silent | If I have for example a router that will have an IP pool to do round-robin with |
| 19:25.47 | maxxe | long for wheezy |
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| 19:26.30 | jelly-home | Silent: if you have multiple providers, you can do something like http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
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| 19:27.11 | Silent | Ah.. And what if I only have a single provider but two DSL accounts? |
| 19:27.28 | jelly-home | Silent: how many DSL lines? |
| 19:27.41 | Silent | Two of them |
| 19:27.45 | jelly-home | same thing |
| 19:27.50 | Silent | Oh wonderful |
| 19:28.07 | jordanm | that load balancing is different than link aggregation |
| 19:28.11 | Silent | Thanks, I will read it |
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| 19:28.31 | jelly-home | jordanm: that's why I dismissed aggregation in the start |
| 19:29.19 | jordanm | jelly-home, I see now |
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| 19:31.42 | Aut0Exec | what you guys think about me upgrading debian stable on my vps to debian wheezy? |
| 19:31.45 | Silent | Would that work with say, 5 connections? If each connection has 3 MB/s download, how fast will I be able to go? Or alternatively, how many files will I be able to download at 3 MB/s at a time? |
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| 19:32.43 | jordanm | Silent, depends on your router and it's QOS settings |
| 19:32.47 | Towzzer | without provider interaction one connection can't exceed 3mb |
| 19:33.04 | jordanm | on a cheap router with no QOS, you could end up with 2 connections at 10MB/s and 3 at 1KB/s |
| 19:33.19 | Silent | I'm going to build my own router with ClearOS |
| 19:33.38 | jordanm | where does debian come in? |
| 19:33.39 | Silent | Or similar |
| 19:34.07 | Silent | I'm going to test it with some router distro, but I plan to hook it up directly to my server later |
| 19:34.34 | Silent | Which runs Debian Lenny. If it's not possible on Debian, it's not worth getting into |
| 19:34.47 | TheGrey | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.38 | jelly-home | TheGrey: x14? |
| 19:35.41 | jhutchins_wk | TheGrey: Opinions differ. NOT realtek. |
| 19:36.50 | TheGrey | jhutchins_wk: I know, I remmeber you recommened a laptop intel wifi card. why a laptop card? |
| 19:37.47 | jhutchins_wk | TheGrey: I thought we were talking about laptops I guess. |
| 19:38.44 | jhutchins_wk | TheGrey: You're not likely to find anybody who has tested a bunch of alternatives. Like you we pretty much just run what came in the box. |
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| 19:39.00 | TheGrey | fair enough |
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| 19:39.11 | jhutchins_wk | TheGrey: We do see a lot of complaints about realteks. |
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| 19:39.25 | Towzzer | realtek cards work properly when you use the drivers on their site |
| 19:39.32 | Towzzer | they offer a very nice automated installer scritp |
| 19:39.54 | jhutchins_wk | See? Everybody's got an opinion. |
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| 19:40.20 | jhutchins_wk | Also, what was true of a given card 18 months ago may no longer be true. |
| 19:40.43 | Towzzer | I have an objective opinion |
| 19:40.48 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.14 | jelly-home | Towzzer: and a sample size of 1? |
| 19:41.20 | Towzzer | yep |
| 19:41.29 | Towzzer | actually, seriously |
| 19:41.40 | Towzzer | I ran a cluster of 80 desktop style rack servers |
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| 19:41.52 | Towzzer | with realtek rt811l |
| 19:42.13 | Towzzer | the kernel driver, r8169 had problems often, the realtek driver that replaced it was r8168 |
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| 19:42.30 | AlexLikeRock | i need a ALARM then they "turnon " my pc when i invernate |
| 19:42.32 | Towzzer | however, they were all the same card and I didn't do proper testing :D |
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| 19:42.50 | Towzzer | invernate, is when your spine leaves your boday? |
| 19:42.52 | Towzzer | body* |
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| 19:43.37 | AlexLikeRock | ***hibernate |
| 19:43.39 | AlexLikeRock | sorry |
| 19:43.42 | AlexLikeRock | jejeje |
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| 19:46.54 | ompaul | r00t-err0r: if you want to install wheezy then installing sqeeze is a good way to start |
| 19:47.15 | r00t-err0r | i dont know what iso to download :/ |
| 19:47.23 | r00t-err0r | netinstall i try but i got VSF error :/ |
| 19:47.33 | r00t-err0r | i scare to download it again :D |
| 19:47.35 | r00t-err0r | lol |
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| 19:54.45 | pats_Toms | is here someone who is using Totem Movie Player? |
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| 19:55.50 | zykotick9 | pats_Toms: perhaps you should ask your "real" question. Not me, i'm not a fan of Totem at all, mplayer FTW. |
| 19:56.16 | Nik05 | mplayer 1 or 2? |
| 19:56.23 | pats_Toms | I am using it for listening music too. (not for playlists but for just - open and listen). There is ultra cool feature like disalble "show controls" option. |
| 19:56.38 | pats_Toms | and if I disable visualization there is album art |
| 19:56.42 | zykotick9 | Nik05: i'm using 2 right now, historically it's been 1 ;) |
| 19:56.42 | ompaul | r00t-err0r: you can read the instructions in your own language if you care to tell us what it is |
| 19:56.46 | pats_Toms | but if song don't have it |
| 19:56.54 | pats_Toms | the default is some icon or something |
| 19:56.56 | maxxe | "ultra cool" nice :D |
| 19:57.02 | pats_Toms | someone have any idea how to change it? |
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| 19:57.42 | pats_Toms | I am just thinking... |
| 19:57.46 | pats_Toms | any ideas? ^_^ |
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| 20:05.20 | pats_Toms | ok, I found solution |
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| 20:05.41 | socomm | pats_Toms: check out audacious |
| 20:05.56 | pats_Toms | totem is using svg icon from .icons |
| 20:06.11 | pats_Toms | when it don't have album art |
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| 20:14.14 | kb2 | very quite in here, so here's something: choice of windows manager. I'm a blackbox user myself because it's super lightweight. |
| 20:14.24 | socomm | quite? |
| 20:14.36 | kb2 | quiet, I meant :-) |
| 20:15.16 | socomm | kb2: use whatever works for you, I flip back and forth between kde/cinnamon/fluxbox - depending on my boredom/frustration level |
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| 20:17.19 | kb2 | considered changing to fluxbox since blackbox development seems to have ceased, but hey, bb works for me for now. |
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| 20:19.13 | kb2 | anybody else into minimalistic lightweight desktop software? like xfe for visual file management. |
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| 20:27.52 | Towzzer | kb2, I am but what keeps annoying me is that functionality is reduced as well |
| 20:28.00 | Towzzer | I'm looking for like windows 95 |
| 20:28.05 | Towzzer | flat, simple |
| 20:28.09 | Towzzer | but alot of functionality |
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| 20:29.20 | gatuno_123 | Hi |
| 20:29.59 | gatuno_123 | I'm having troubles with one custom deb package |
| 20:30.23 | gatuno_123 | it builds correctly, but, I updated the dep to a newer version |
| 20:30.52 | gatuno_123 | for example, the bin program depends on SDL-tff (> 2.0.11) |
| 20:31.16 | gatuno_123 | and in build-depends it says: sdl-ttf (>= 2.0.11) |
| 20:31.39 | gatuno_123 | but the final deb doesn't depend on sdl-ttf > 2.0.11, it just depend on sdl-ttf |
| 20:32.03 | gatuno_123 | how can I force to depend on sdl-ttf > 2.0.11 on the final deb? |
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| 20:32.45 | gatuno_123 | (Yes, it's important to depend on such version, because the program uses new functions) |
| 20:33.35 | jelly-home | ,v sdl-ttf |
| 20:33.36 | judd | No package named 'sdl-ttf' was found in i386. |
| 20:33.48 | tremon | gatuno_123: have you looked at similar control files? iirc, versioned depends are exactly as they appear in apt-cache show |
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| 20:34.35 | gatuno_123 | judd: its libsdl-ttf2.0-dev |
| 20:34.36 | gatuno_123 | sorry |
| 20:34.56 | gatuno_123 | tremon: let me search that... wait a second |
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| 20:36.12 | gatuno_123 | I mean, its something weired, because, the program also depends on SDL-image, but with this package it generates a "libsdl-image1.2 (>= 1.2.10)" |
| 20:36.18 | gatuno_123 | but not with sdl-ttf |
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| 20:36.35 | tremon | gatuno_123: did you declare a build-depends? |
| 20:36.41 | jelly-home | ,v libsdl-ttf2.0-0 |
| 20:36.43 | judd | Package: libsdl-ttf2.0-0 on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.9-1; squeeze: 2.0.9-1; sid: 2.0.11-2; wheezy: 2.0.11-2 |
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| 20:37.18 | jelly-home | gatuno_123: do you have output of the build (dh_shlibdeps in particular)? |
| 20:37.25 | gatuno_123 | Yes, "Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 8), |
| 20:37.25 | gatuno_123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.25 | gatuno_123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.25 | gatuno_123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.25 | gatuno_123 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:37.35 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 20:37.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 20:37.40 | jelly-home | oops. |
| 20:37.43 | tremon | too soon |
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| 20:37.48 | Towzzer | how come no one recommends pastebin anymore? |
| 20:37.50 | tremon | or too late ;) |
| 20:37.56 | gatuno_123 | sorry, |
| 20:37.58 | gatuno_123 | judd: I compiled a special backport |
| 20:37.59 | judd | No package named 'compiled' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 20:38.26 | tremon | Towzzer: because of captcha's and ads, I guess |
| 20:38.33 | gatuno_123 | judd: what? |
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| 20:38.40 | jelly-home | gatuno_123: it's a bot. |
| 20:38.43 | tremon | gatuno_123: don't argue with the bot |
| 20:38.52 | gatuno_123 | ok, sorry |
| 20:39.18 | gatuno_123 | let me check the output of dh_shlibdeps |
| 20:39.35 | tremon | !tell gatuno_123 about paste |
| 20:39.47 | tremon | (in case jelly hadn't yet) |
| 20:39.52 | jelly-home | did |
| 20:40.00 | gatuno_123 | Yes, I got it, next time paste bin |
| 20:40.32 | gatuno_123 | dh_shlipdeps doesn't output anything |
| 20:40.44 | gatuno_123 | maybe the debhelper log? |
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| 20:41.24 | tremon | gatuno_123: just to reiterate what I pointed at earlier, a versioned build-depends does not automatically get translated to a runtime dependency |
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| 20:41.51 | tremon | so make sure you have the same version dependency on the depends: line as you have with build-depends |
| 20:42.05 | gatuno_123 | ahh |
| 20:42.13 | gatuno_123 | so simple as it? |
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| 20:42.26 | tremon | only if I did hit the nail :) |
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| 20:44.26 | gatuno_123 | mmm, now I get 2 depends of libsdl-ttf |
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| 20:44.47 | tremon | both unversioned? |
| 20:44.59 | gatuno_123 | nope, "Depends: libsdl-ttf2.0 (>= 2.0.11), libsdl-ttf2.0-0" |
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| 20:45.13 | gatuno_123 | ahh, I see the problem |
| 20:45.17 | gatuno_123 | wait a second... |
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| 20:46.06 | gatuno_123 | Yes! |
| 20:46.08 | gatuno_123 | fixed |
| 20:46.20 | gatuno_123 | I should write libsdl-ttf-2.0-0 |
| 20:46.27 | gatuno_123 | I miss the last "-0" |
| 20:47.22 | gatuno_123 | thanks, there something I learned today: Versioned build-depends, doesn't generate versioned runtime depends |
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| 20:49.15 | gatuno_123 | thanks, guys |
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| 20:49.23 | tremon | np |
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| 20:50.50 | gatuno_123 | ,v libsdl-tff2.0 |
| 20:50.51 | judd | No package named 'libsdl-tff2.0' was found in i386. |
| 20:51.02 | jelly-home | eyup. |
| 20:52.47 | gatuno_123 | ,v libsdl-ttf2.0-0 |
| 20:52.49 | judd | Package: libsdl-ttf2.0-0 on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.9-1; squeeze: 2.0.9-1; sid: 2.0.11-2; wheezy: 2.0.11-2 |
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| 20:53.30 | jelly-home | hm... it didn't change from 15 minutes ago |
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| 20:54.23 | JoeHazzers | i'm interested as to the debian-specific /etc/zsh/zshrc... mostly, where the hell is this $terminfo variable coming from? |
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| 20:55.25 | tremon | JoeHazzers: I don't have zsh here, but have you asked grep? |
| 20:55.33 | JoeHazzers | no >.> |
| 20:56.00 | tremon | at a guess, I would try /etc and /usr/share/zsh* first, then maybe /usr/share/terminfo |
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| 20:57.43 | JoeHazzers | it would seem that there was a change to the file a while ago, but i seem to not have got it |
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| 20:59.10 | jelly-home | JoeHazzers: the shell defines it for easy access to terminfo capabilities of a certain $TERM. |
| 20:59.42 | holycrab | when i apt-get install any package, it tries to install somd java packages that i cannot install. how can i remove packages previously marked for installation? |
| 20:59.45 | JoeHazzers | jelly-home: and what if this variable does not exist? |
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| 21:00.14 | jelly-home | JoeHazzers: it ought to exist in any interactive shell after TERM is properly defined, I guess |
| 21:00.28 | holycrab | somehow i selected a package for installation that depdnds on packages that i cannot install... |
| 21:00.33 | gatuno_123 | judd: help |
| 21:00.35 | judd | (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 21:00.38 | JoeHazzers | the $TERM variable is set, but this mythical $terminfo is nowhere to be seen. |
| 21:00.46 | holycrab | i dont know what package it was |
| 21:00.56 | jelly-home | JoeHazzers: echo $terminfo | less returns nothing/ |
| 21:00.57 | jelly-home | ? |
| 21:01.14 | JoeHazzers | jelly-home: yep |
| 21:01.33 | jelly-home | no idea, mine's defined on wheezy. |
| 21:01.46 | jelly-home | seems to be an associative array |
| 21:01.54 | JoeHazzers | yes, but for me... nada. |
| 21:02.16 | jelly-home | JoeHazzers: does it magically appear if you do, say, TERM=vt100 ? |
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| 21:02.31 | JoeHazzers | no. |
| 21:02.58 | tremon | holycrab: you can use aptitude why $package_that_wants_to_install to find out which package is pulling in those dependencies |
| 21:03.15 | quebre | when i do 'df -h' i get |
| 21:03.18 | quebre | /dev/disk/by-uuid/127fda34-76ed-4526-92c0-e3cda8cadfc5 46G 37G 7.4G 84% / |
| 21:03.26 | tremon | also, apt-get install -f (or aptitude -f install) may be helpful |
| 21:03.35 | quebre | what can i do to prevent it being that long in 'df' output ? |
| 21:03.42 | jelly-home | JoeHazzers: echo $ZSH_VERSION |
| 21:03.46 | tuvwx | what program can i use to put a debian-installer image on a usb stick? |
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| 21:03.59 | holycrab | tremon: aptitude what? i dont know the name of the pacjage |
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| 21:04.21 | JoeHazzers | sorry, i was being an idiot about this. yes, it's there |
| 21:04.32 | tuvwx | what Windows program can i use to put a debian-installer image on a usb stick? |
| 21:04.41 | jelly-home | JoeHazzers: let that serve as a lesson! |
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| 21:05.53 | tremon | quebre: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=coreutils.git;a=commit;h=1e18d8416f9ef43bf08982cabe54220587061a08 |
| 21:06.22 | tremon | quebre: which is in coreutils 8.20.1 |
| 21:06.42 | Towzzer | there is an awesome new feature on dmesg, which is in coreutils, dmesg -T |
| 21:06.44 | Towzzer | it shows the time |
| 21:06.50 | Towzzer | when I saw it I was so happy |
| 21:06.57 | tremon | holycrab: you don't know the name of the package that apt-get is trying to install? |
| 21:07.36 | holycrab | i see what you mean, tremon |
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| 21:07.39 | JoeHazzers | jelly-home: NOW, time for the ultimate question. how do i get the home and end keys to work how i'm used to? |
| 21:07.58 | tremon | JoeHazzers: get the coffee out of your keyboard? |
| 21:08.00 | holycrab | gah cant i just clear all the packages marked for installation that arent already k stalled |
| 21:08.04 | JoeHazzers | tremon++ |
| 21:08.49 | jelly-home | Towzzer: don't try using it if you suspend your machine, tho. Mine thinks it's 2013-01-16. |
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| 21:09.15 | JoeHazzers | jelly-home: would you have any idea how i could tell if /etc/zsh/zshrc is being run? |
| 21:09.30 | jelly-home | JoeHazzers: change to emacs keybindings? :-) |
| 21:10.00 | jelly-home | and use ^A and ^E that work everywhere! |
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| 21:10.02 | jelly-home | hides |
| 21:10.12 | tremon | holycrab: aptitude remove ~ainstall maybe, have never tried it though |
| 21:10.27 | tremon | try aptitude search ~ainstall first |
| 21:10.29 | JoeHazzers | jelly-home? |
| 21:10.50 | jelly-home | JoeHazzers: bindkey -e, see if they work then |
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| 21:11.28 | JoeHazzers | jelly-home: the home and end keys, or? |
| 21:11.35 | jelly-home | JoeHazzers: yes. |
| 21:11.41 | JoeHazzers | jelly-home: lovely little ~ instead |
| 21:12.32 | jelly-home | JoeHazzers: no idea, you might have an incorrect TERM setting |
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| 21:17.35 | holycrab | tremon++ |
| 21:18.14 | tremon | has already achieved two advances today |
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| 21:22.32 | Anuska | hi, i have some problem with my linux debian, i crash |
| 21:22.37 | Anuska | how i see what is the error? |
| 21:23.09 | wols | do you get a kernel panic? |
| 21:23.23 | wols | how does it crash exactly? |
| 21:23.40 | Anuska | all frozen, i need to halt the computer and power on again |
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| 21:24.00 | Anuska | to run |
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| 21:24.27 | dioz | single user mode more than likely |
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| 21:30.18 | Anuska | wols, you see any error http://pastebin.com/m03FHMVg ? |
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| 21:33.31 | tremon | Anuska: that looks like a really old machine. You don't suspect hardware error? |
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| 21:34.00 | Anuska | trebaum, no know |
| 21:34.19 | Anuska | tremon, you see? |
| 21:35.15 | tremon | there are no errors logged, this is from a clean boot. If you have any hope of capturing a crash log, you will need to get kernel logs from just before the crash, or see if you can connect remotely when it has crashed |
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| 21:35.39 | Anuska | i connot connect |
| 21:35.52 | Anuska | the machine is frozen and connot be accesed |
| 21:36.00 | tremon | how long did you wait? |
| 21:36.14 | Anuska | for crashed? |
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| 21:37.01 | Anuska | yestarday crased 28 , today 18 |
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| 21:37.44 | tremon | you have 6G swap space. If the machine is thrashing because of a memory condition, it will take many minutes to recover |
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| 21:38.51 | tremon | but you should be able to see that by looking for blinking disk lights |
| 21:38.53 | Anuska | i have 8gb ram |
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| 21:41.31 | tremon | other than that, "radeon radeon defaulting to userspace modesetting" doesn't seem right either. What video card is that? |
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| 21:41.46 | Anuska | i use text mode |
| 21:42.02 | Anuska | no know :( |
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| 21:42.42 | tremon | that machine also requires 3 non-free packages: firmware for radeon and tg3, microcode for the cpu. are they installed |
| 21:42.44 | tremon | ? |
| 21:42.56 | Anuska | no know |
| 21:43.04 | Anuska | how i install? |
| 21:43.47 | Anuska | :(( 4 days and i connot resolve the problem of computer uff |
| 21:43.56 | Anuska | help me please |
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| 21:45.15 | babilen | would think that installing with a firmware image is the best way (/msg dpkg firmware image) or http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/ for wheezy |
| 21:45.55 | Anuska | is a linux? |
| 21:46.04 | Anuska | an image? or.. |
| 21:46.05 | tremon | Anuska: you need firmware-linux-nonfree for both the radeon and tg3 chips, and intel-microcode for the cpu |
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| 21:46.19 | Anuska | tremon, yes and how i install? |
| 21:46.29 | Anuska | i need to change the linux version? |
| 21:47.05 | tremon | !tell Anuska about non-free sources |
| 21:47.37 | Anuska | yes |
| 21:48.20 | Anuska | trebaum, i am new in linux |
| 21:48.35 | Anuska | what line i add in this /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 21:49.34 | Anuska | deb http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ squeeze-updates main |
| 21:49.49 | tremon | Anuska: have you tried to run the bios diagnostic tools? |
| 21:49.57 | Anuska | yes and work |
| 21:49.59 | tremon | !tell Anuska about sources.list |
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| 21:51.04 | Anuska | can me pm you? |
| 21:51.05 | ScabbyMadman | question: anyone here use wheezy? |
| 21:51.12 | tremon | you may want to start with the Debian Administrator's Handbook |
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| 21:51.30 | tremon | ScabbyMadman: do you really want 1285 people to answer that question? |
| 21:51.50 | zykotick9 | ScabbyMadman: the answer to that is obviously yes. do you have a "real" question? |
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| 21:52.24 | ScabbyMadman | yes my real question is I tried to install wheezy from the beta4 installer but none of the mirrors were working for me |
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| 21:52.54 | Anuska | tremon, i need to burn that image and install that version ? |
| 21:53.22 | Anuska | i add this deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main non-free |
| 21:53.28 | zykotick9 | ScabbyMadman: are you sure your network was working? |
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| 21:53.36 | tremon | Anuska: if you're new to Linux, the best way to educate yourself is to ask for pointers on where to look, not to ask other people to dictate how to solve your issues. But yes, a clean reinstall with firmware already provided may help you |
| 21:54.06 | OHNOZ | google knows more about linux/bsd than probably anybody on irc....just sayin |
| 21:54.10 | tremon | Anuska: that line is fine, but you may need to add contrib too (so main contrib non-free) |
| 21:54.18 | Anuska | tremon, this version http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso ? |
| 21:54.38 | OHNOZ | and dont forget apt-get update afterwards.... |
| 21:54.42 | tremon | Anuska: if your machine is 64-bit capable, yes |
| 21:54.48 | ScabbyMadman | zykotick9, pretty sure because I was surfing the net to download the installer, and during the install the dhcp client configured t he net |
| 21:54.50 | Anuska | thanks |
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| 21:55.17 | moo | hello all! |
| 21:55.20 | ScabbyMadman | moo |
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| 21:55.36 | Guest47930 | O_o |
| 21:55.37 | zykotick9 | ScabbyMadman: if dhcp was working, it's most likely your network was working then. sorry no suggestions... good luck. |
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| 21:55.53 | ScabbyMadman | zykotick9, thanks |
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| 21:56.26 | tremon | ScabbyMadman: wireless or wired connection? |
| 21:56.27 | n1md4 | hi. installing debian on an intel mac mini appears to work, until it's rebooted. does any one have any tips? |
| 21:56.34 | ScabbyMadman | wire |
| 21:56.49 | ScabbyMadman | tremon wired ethernet tried n true |
| 21:57.13 | jerky | hopefully someone can help me with this: I'm trying to get the command "sed -i 's/blah/blah2/g' file" to work in a bashscript, but the -i flag seems to kill it. when i remove the -i it works fine. any ideas on why this is happening? |
| 21:57.14 | tremon | ScabbyMadman: did you test whether there was a network connection at all in the installer? (alt-f2 gives you a regular console) |
| 21:57.37 | Anuska | trebaum, i install that: glutg3-dev glutg3 firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 21:57.42 | Anuska | reboot? |
| 21:57.43 | jerky | n1md4: does it start at all or is it just a black screen? |
| 21:57.56 | ScabbyMadman | tremon I looked at the logs saw my local ip 192...bla bla |
| 21:58.02 | tremon | Anuska: you don't need glutg3, but install intel-microcode before rebooting |
| 21:58.02 | n1md4 | jerky: flashing folder with a question-mark in it |
| 21:58.21 | Anuska | k |
| 21:58.29 | n1md4 | jerky: I just want debian, does it need refit? |
| 21:58.34 | jerky | n1md4: so you're assuming it worked because you were able to install it? the flashing folder usually means a missing partition. |
| 21:58.53 | Anuska | tremon, intel-microcode : Depends: microcode.ctl but it is not installable |
| 21:59.07 | ScabbyMadman | tremon, I'll give it a try later ....strange though since I did get an ip from my local dhcp server and was surfing also from my netbook |
| 21:59.13 | n1md4 | jerky: Yes, that was my assumption. I allowed the installer to auto-partition, and noticed the addition apple parts. |
| 21:59.32 | tremon | ,v microcode.ctl |
| 21:59.33 | judd | Package: microcode.ctl on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 1.17-9; squeeze/contrib: 1.17-13; sid/contrib: 1.18~0+nmu2; wheezy/contrib: 1.18~0+nmu2 |
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| 21:59.42 | jerky | Right. It's not starting because it can't "find the right software" |
| 21:59.59 | tremon | ScabbyMadman: ok, that seems to suggest at least basic connectivity. only thing to try is whether the installer configured your nameserver (/etc/resolv.conf) correctly |
| 22:00.12 | jerky | This could probably mean that the bootloader wasn't installed on the mbr, or it just crapped out. |
| 22:00.27 | tremon | Anuska: if you already added contrib to your sources.list, you need to re-run apt-get update |
| 22:00.42 | Anuska | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/microcode.ctl |
| 22:00.43 | ScabbyMadman | tremon I will say that the wget script did reach the repos but returned a No such file or directory message |
| 22:00.43 | Anuska | oki |
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| 22:00.52 | n1md4 | jerky: ... not sure what to think about this reall |
| 22:00.53 | n1md4 | y |
| 22:00.58 | jerky | anyone can help me with the above and why sed -i won't work in a bash script |
| 22:01.09 | Vasistha | jerky: let's see the script |
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| 22:01.20 | tremon | ScabbyMadman: that would suggest a problem with a particular mirror, or a caching proxy server. How many servers did you try? |
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| 22:01.26 | Anuska | tremonm, i add this: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main non-free |
| 22:01.27 | jerky | n1md4: I would suggest doing a reinstall again and ensuring that everything installed okay (especially grub) |
| 22:01.39 | Anuska | i type update |
| 22:01.39 | ScabbyMadman | tremon all of the canadian and us servers |
| 22:01.45 | babilen | Anuska: You have to add "contrib" to your sources.list as well. The entire line should end in "main contrib non-free" |
| 22:01.48 | tremon | Anuska: add contrib, so "squeeze main contrib non-free" |
| 22:01.53 | jerky | Vasistha, it's pretty much "sed -i 's/blah/blah2/g' file" |
| 22:01.57 | Vasistha | Just got a used Asus Eee PC, 701SD. Recommendations for Squeeze vs Wheezy? I'm perfectly competent to run Wheezy, since it's frozen |
| 22:01.58 | Anuska | aa |
| 22:02.10 | Vasistha | jerky: you're sure you're running gnu sed? |
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| 22:02.18 | jerky | Vasistha: it just seems like the -i breaks it in the bash script. removing it works fine |
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| 22:02.22 | Vasistha | jerky: and, what is the file? Is it a symlink? |
| 22:02.50 | Vasistha | jerky: you say it "breaks" it, what does it do? |
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| 22:03.01 | Anuska | Downloading a new version of microcode. |
| 22:03.01 | tremon | ScabbyMadman: very unlikely that they'd all be down. Leaves an interfering proxy server (or a resolv.conf that points to a lying dns server) |
| 22:03.03 | jerky | Vasistha, not at all. I'm pretty much just trying to automate the process of replacing a specific string in a file so that users can run it and not worry about anything else |
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| 22:03.27 | jerky | Vasistha: spits out an error when using the "-i" flag. Removing it runs the sed command inside the .sh file perfectly fine. |
| 22:03.45 | Anuska | tremon, is big this Downloading a new version of microcode. ? |
| 22:03.51 | Anuska | Setting up intel-microcode (0.20100826-1) ... |
| 22:03.53 | Anuska | tremon, now reboot? |
| 22:03.57 | tremon | jerky: is your shell /bin/bash, and does it work differently if you explicitly call /bin/sed? |
| 22:04.05 | ScabbyMadman | tremon I am wondering if the beta4 installer has a script error...the repos were up because I see the wget process reaches the repo |
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| 22:04.06 | tremon | Anuska: yes |
| 22:04.11 | Anuska | thanks |
| 22:04.13 | Anuska | :* |
| 22:04.14 | Anuska | let me try |
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| 22:04.23 | jerky | tremon: hrm... |
| 22:04.30 | tremon | ScabbyMadman: that's a possibility too, hadn't noticed you using the wheezy beta installer |
| 22:04.31 | jerky | never thought about /bin/sed. let me try that. |
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| 22:05.47 | ScabbyMadman | tremon, well Ill try again later....might have beena problem upstream with my isp too.....Thanks |
| 22:05.53 | jerky | nothing happens when I replace #!/bin/bash with #!/bin/sed |
| 22:06.12 | tremon | jerky: no, not there ;) |
| 22:06.13 | ScabbyMadman | jerky, sed is not a shell |
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| 22:06.41 | Anuska | tremon, now i want to see if crashed again, i need to do another stuff? |
| 22:06.45 | ScabbyMadman | the #! is a shell notation in a script |
| 22:06.50 | Vasistha | jerky: uh. no. that's not how you would do it. |
| 22:06.57 | jerky | ScabbyMadman: I figured as much and was confused lol |
| 22:07.11 | tremon | I'm asking because busybox provides both /bin/sh and has an internal sed implementation. It's hard to imagine busybox getting involved if you call /bin/bash explicitly |
| 22:07.20 | ScabbyMadman | jerky, perl will do that kind of thing tho |
| 22:07.37 | ScabbyMadman | sed is a stream editor |
| 22:07.50 | tremon | Anuska: not sure what you're asking? |
| 22:07.54 | Vasistha | jerky: does it work if you run sed manually outside the script? |
| 22:07.58 | babilen | Anuska: On what kind of hardware have you installed Debian? (processor, gpu, ...) |
| 22:08.19 | ScabbyMadman | Vasistha, sounds like jerky is having a ' ' issue somewhere |
| 22:08.26 | jerky | Vasistha: indeed |
| 22:08.37 | jerky | One sec everyone. Work calls. UGH! |
| 22:08.42 | Vasistha | haha |
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| 22:08.56 | tremon | babilen: it's a xeon 3.2GHz machine, but looks quite old (piix disk controller) |
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| 22:09.07 | Anuska | tremon, i reboot the computer, now i do someting else? for see if i work, etc.. |
| 22:09.11 | babilen | tremon: Ah, well squeeze should be fine then :) |
| 22:09.59 | tremon | Anuska: ah, you want to know if it's stable. Well, I don't know how you triggered the crashes before. I'd suggest you try to load the machine as you normally would, and see how it responds |
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| 22:11.20 | tlund | when preseeding, how can I preseed the location of the iso image? I want to have several different ISO files on my USB stick. |
| 22:11.33 | Vasistha | jerky: anyway, you should pastebin the script so we can actually see it, there may be a bug we can identify |
| 22:11.37 | Vasistha | !eeepc |
| 22:11.38 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:11.55 | Anuska | tremon, thanks :**** |
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| 22:12.53 | Anuska | reboot |
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| 22:15.19 | tremon | Anuska: you may want to read up on smartmontools and lm-sensors to monitor your disks and machine temperature |
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| 22:16.44 | Anuska | tremon, no this i do not |
| 22:16.54 | Anuska | good ideea |
| 22:17.09 | Anuska | thanks |
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| 22:21.17 | Anuska | hiren's is good |
| 22:21.22 | Anuska | is a program |
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| 22:31.44 | JohnnyL | my cable wasn't hooked up when installing debian 6.0. i can now ping, but i get unrecognized package for: apt-get install gnome-desktop |
| 22:31.50 | JohnnyL | i changed source.list, but no good. |
| 22:32.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell JohnnyL -about install gnome |
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| 22:32.27 | JohnnyL | nope |
| 22:32.32 | JohnnyL | shot in the dark, eh? |
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| 22:32.44 | JohnnyL | apt-get install vim also doesn't work. |
| 22:32.46 | tremon | opines that someone should change that factoid to DON'T! |
| 22:32.52 | JohnnyL | the install wanted mirrors but didn't get a lick |
| 22:33.04 | tremon | JohnnyL: did you run apt-get update after changing sources.list? |
| 22:33.21 | JohnnyL | tremon: ah ok, right, that i didn't do. |
| 22:33.49 | JohnnyL | to open source programmers.. add that 'update' as default. |
| 22:33.53 | tremon | ++ |
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| 22:35.33 | JohnnyL | anything else i should look for? (the work has been deferred) |
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| 22:36.18 | tremon | JohnnyL: look for? |
| 22:36.46 | jelly-home | JohnnyL: yum does it by default, it's very annoying |
| 22:36.48 | JohnnyL | whats trully retarded is that sources.list is never right. |
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| 22:37.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell JohnnyL -about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 22:39.34 | JohnnyL | the question still remains, why isn't this idiotic file default to what I want just immed? |
| 22:39.45 | JohnnyL | want=was |
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| 22:41.24 | tremon | JohnnyL: I'm sure that if you phrase your request nicely (prio wishlist unless you supply a patch), the apt authors will be more than willing to add a warning to apt-get if sources.list is newer than its cache |
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| 22:42.27 | JohnnyL | with windows it's a little more simpler, and saves at least 1/2 hour. you do what is called a 'mouse click'. |
| 22:42.57 | drphitheta | Hey guys, on debian Wheezy. I have strange wifi issues, randomly my bandwidth will drasticly reduce over my router. Also pings take over 6000ms |
| 22:43.08 | drphitheta | But wicd reads a >80% connection status |
| 22:43.23 | tremon | and then you add another mouse click to update Flash, and another 2 to update adobe reader, add another 4 clicks to update java... |
| 22:43.31 | drphitheta | Just starting happening maybe last night? two days ago at the most |
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| 22:44.00 | tremon | drphitheta: your neighbours have a new wireless router? |
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| 22:44.23 | drphitheta | Not that I'm aware on, I'll try to change the frequency tho |
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| 22:45.19 | drphitheta | It's fine for a while, then maybe 120 seconds into the connection it blows up |
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| 22:45.49 | drphitheta | Also I'm getting normal bandwidth with rtorrent. seems to just be my browser(chromium) |
| 22:45.58 | drphitheta | but also ping? Ugh, makes no sense |
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| 22:46.25 | drphitheta | Can't even connect to my router over http |
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| 22:47.04 | tremon | drphitheta: is your torrent client overloading your router? wouldn't be the first one... |
| 22:47.29 | drphitheta | My torrent client is rtorrent, running on my laptop |
| 22:47.37 | drphitheta | which is connected over wifi |
| 22:47.42 | OHNOZ | behind a proxy or no? |
| 22:47.44 | jhutchins_wk | drphitheta: Try using a drastically different channel. Sounds like you're getting noise. |
| 22:47.51 | OHNOZ | ^ that too |
| 22:47.52 | drphitheta | no proxy |
| 22:47.58 | tremon | yes, and it's probably maintaining some 1000+ connections |
| 22:48.13 | drphitheta | Can't connect to my router over http |
| 22:48.21 | tremon | what's the memory size of your router? |
| 22:48.21 | drphitheta | page doesn't load |
| 22:48.33 | drphitheta | Uhh, 32MB I believe |
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| 22:48.37 | drphitheta | using dd-wrt mega build |
| 22:49.03 | mmnicolas | I have a dilemma, static IP + mdns or DHCP. anyone has an opinion ? |
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| 22:49.15 | OHNOZ | depends on what youre doing |
| 22:49.16 | OHNOZ | obvs |
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| 22:49.52 | tremon | let's make it a trilemma: I'll add in rs/ra |
| 22:50.00 | Crataegus | Hi all, how to packup installed packages from command line? |
| 22:50.02 | OHNOZ | if its a dvr box or camera, static. if its a random ass box, dhcp |
| 22:50.04 | mmnicolas | Home network, 5-10 network capable peripherals |
| 22:50.10 | Crataegus | *backup |
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| 22:50.39 | tremon | Crataegus: dpkg --get-selections? |
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| 22:50.57 | vaillor | hi guys |
| 22:51.01 | drphitheta | nmap says router latency is only 0.021s ping says >6s and data over http is non responsive |
| 22:51.10 | vaillor | i need to create an https proxy server |
| 22:51.15 | OHNOZ | dpkg --get-selections > packages.log |
| 22:51.15 | dpkg | OHNOZ: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 22:51.20 | OHNOZ | lololol |
| 22:51.22 | Crataegus | tremon, I don't want to download them again if that's possible |
| 22:51.33 | OHNOZ | that just outputs your packages to a .log file |
| 22:51.47 | OHNOZ | to restore later its just apt-get dslecet-upgrade |
| 22:51.49 | tremon | Crataegus: then you need to backup /var/cache/apt and never run apt-get clean |
| 22:51.55 | OHNOZ | well, set-selections first |
| 22:51.56 | OHNOZ | my bad |
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| 22:52.35 | JohnnyL | tremon, yes one conditional statement and a writeln() would save thousands many half hours. |
| 22:53.48 | tremon | ponders the ratio of mouse clicks to half hours |
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| 22:56.37 | JohnnyL | A) It's good to let users know whats happening 2) it's not good to force them to read man pages in alphabetical order. |
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| 22:57.47 | tremon | prefers to read manuals in chronological order |
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| 23:07.14 | hellyeah | hey |
| 23:07.19 | drphitheta | Hey guys, I think I fixed it(temporarily). I switch the wifi chanel on my router to 'auto' and removed my static IP for dhcp |
| 23:07.20 | hellyeah | what does s -ef | grep httpd stand for |
| 23:07.35 | drphitheta | s -ef is not a valid command |
| 23:07.55 | drphitheta | grep searchs and | grep http searches stdin for lines containing 'http' |
| 23:08.30 | imran-uk | hellyeah, i think "ps -ef" makes more sense? |
| 23:08.43 | hellyeah | yeah |
| 23:08.49 | hellyeah | ps |
| 23:08.52 | imran-uk | hell, yeah |
| 23:08.55 | drphitheta | also, in the future use man |
| 23:09.02 | drphitheta | man <command> |
| 23:09.31 | hellyeah | i didnt know ps command |
| 23:09.41 | hellyeah | someone mistyped to command s -ef |
| 23:09.52 | imran-uk | that command will list all running apache processes on your server/pc |
| 23:09.57 | drphitheta | Oh I see |
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| 23:11.42 | gimpy23 | Running an HTPC on Squeeze with Openbox it turns off the display after 10 minutes. Any clue what is doing that? I can't find any power saving settings causing it. |
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| 23:14.11 | tremon | gimpy23: man xset? |
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| 23:15.23 | gimpy23 | tremon: xset just gives me "No protocol specified" when I try anything. |
| 23:15.40 | tremon | gimpy23: logged in through ssh, I guess? |
| 23:15.51 | tremon | or no X running? |
| 23:16.20 | tremon | try DISPLAY=:0 xset q |
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| 23:17.30 | gimpy23 | tremon: Same, also 'unable to open display ":0"'. I'm setting 'Option "NoPM"' in xorg.conf to see if X itself is doing it. We'll see in 11 minutes. |
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| 23:18.07 | tremon | you should be able to run xset q from within X |
| 23:18.28 | gimpy23 | tremon: I'm doing it over SSH, there's no keyboard attached to this machine. |
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| 23:23.50 | JohnnyL | any problems with wheezy (i'm using it now, seems to work fine). But I'm going to install it on my other computer. |
| 23:24.30 | tlund | I need help trying to figure out the correct way to preseed "iso-scan". I have several isos in different directories on my media, and the installer selects the wrong one. I have tried different combinations on both kernel command line and in the preseed file. none of the examples i find on google seems to work. |
| 23:24.31 | JohnnyL | it'd bee cool if the auto complete search also searches files instead of just apps in gnome. |
| 23:24.38 | gimpy23 | JohnnyL: Isn't Wheezy still testing? That itself has issues. See http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
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| 23:26.09 | tremon | tlund: if you get no response here, try #debian-boot on oftc |
| 23:27.11 | tlund | tremon: thanks! |
| 23:27.14 | gimpy23 | tremon: Nope, that option in xorg.conf didn't fix it. |
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| 23:28.36 | tremon | gimpy23: for my htpc, I have a .xsessionrc that explicitly sets xset -dpms s off |
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| 23:29.06 | tremon | seems to work for me, but I run enna directly from X (no session manager) |
| 23:29.33 | gimpy23 | tremon: So, it must not be X doing it then. .xscreensaver looks to say it is disabled: http://dpaste.com/904385/. I'll try .xsessionrc. |
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| 23:30.36 | gimpy23 | tremon: I should move to no DM but I'm too lazy to figure out how to change it. |
| 23:31.17 | tremon | gimpy23: if you also have gnome-screensaver installed, try removing it. X and Gnome don't always share the same settings |
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| 23:32.19 | tremon | gimpy23: going from memory, the last line of your .xsessionrc should be "exec my_fullscreen_binary" |
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| 23:32.57 | gimpy23 | tremon: Ok, but I would also disable gdm, right? Then what makes X start on boot? |
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| 23:33.50 | tremon | no, you need some sort of display manager unless you want to write a manual X script. I'm using lightdm on my htpc, with autologin |
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| 23:34.22 | tremon | should be doable with gdm as well |
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| 23:37.36 | Armand | I'm just pondering on something.. what is the total storage requirement for a debian repo? |
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| 23:38.58 | nvz | does anyone have any idea why doing ssh -X nvz@nvz will allow me to run an X client from nvz locally from the terminal, but loses connection to the x display after? |
| 23:39.02 | gimpy23 | Armand: http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 23:39.24 | nvz | i.e. can only play one video in vlc or if I run one program then try run another it doesnt work unless I exit and login again |
| 23:39.36 | Armand | gimpy23, you are awesome! That's great. :) |
| 23:39.44 | gimpy23 | nvz: What error do you get when running the second program? |
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| 23:39.48 | Armand | Not much, really.. |
| 23:40.40 | gimpy23 | Armand: Not sure if that is correct but I figured 'How big is the Debian archive?' was a good title. |
| 23:40.45 | nvz | oh you got to be kidding me.. |
| 23:41.16 | nvz | I've been doing this and having this problem for almost a week.. neither of these machines have been rebooted. and now that I come to ask someone about it, its not doing it anymore.. heh |
| 23:41.37 | Armand | yeah, spot on, gimpy23.. i r no-braining right now. :/ |
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| 23:42.03 | gimpy23 | nvz: Try this: xeyes; xeyes; xeyes |
| 23:42.18 | tremon | s/;/&/g |
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| 23:43.47 | gimpy23 | tremon: You mean s/;/&&/g ? |
| 23:44.13 | nvz | gimpy23: idk right now its working fine all of a sudden.. heh |
| 23:44.19 | tremon | yeah, whatever you need to do to get a literal & in the substitution :) |
| 23:44.51 | gimpy23 | tremon: I though his/her issue was program start - close it - start next program. & wouldn't replicate that. |
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| 23:44.55 | nvz | I got two laptops here and I got new hdds for em but I've been just PXE booting them off my desktop and running apps off there.. been using one like a tv.. playing shows via vlc.. |
| 23:45.20 | nvz | and when I'm sitting here relaxing it craps out.. then when I come to ask about it, it starts working. |
| 23:45.24 | tremon | gimpy23: ah, I read it as "starting two programs simultaneously". Anyway, it's all academic now :) |
| 23:46.00 | tremon | nvz: that's just the threat of knowledge |
| 23:46.17 | gimpy23 | Knowledge can be a terrible thing. |
| 23:46.24 | nvz | I know vlc spews to the console "using buggy X11 server - SSH proxying?" and "error: shared memory server-side erro: X11 error 10" even when it IS working |
| 23:46.40 | nvz | which may be hints as to why it screws up sometimes |
| 23:46.48 | tremon | yes, it's because shared memory isn't available over a tunneled session |
| 23:46.53 | gimpy23 | Knowledge is why I was working off and on during my day off. I have knowledge certain coworkers lack. |
| 23:47.10 | tremon | ah, you have tenure... |
| 23:47.13 | nvz | tremon: oh.. its screwing up when I'm ALSO running vlc over here.. |
| 23:47.23 | nvz | tremon: right now I'm not running vlc on the desktop |
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| 23:48.00 | nvz | at least thats what you made me think of.. its only screwing up when I run the same app both places |
| 23:48.13 | nvz | tests |
| 23:48.41 | tremon | that tends to trip up firefox too, but the other way around (try running firefox on two machines from the same nfs-mounted home dir) |
| 23:49.07 | gimpy23 | tremon: The worst part is that I'm the youngest guy working there. |
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| 23:49.18 | tharkun | ERROR 2013 (HY000): Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading authorization packet', system error: 0 <-- What does that mean? |
| 23:49.23 | nvz | tremon: well I'm not able to purposely make the problem occur.. but it happens ALOT when I'm using both machines |
| 23:49.30 | nvz | A LOT even. |
| 23:49.52 | tharkun | ups wrong channel |
| 23:49.54 | gimpy23 | Oh, that reminds me, how does this work: SSH -Y into a box, run 'firefox', a new windows of firefox opens on the *source* machine. What? |
| 23:50.04 | nvz | tremon: do you know any tricks to getting this to play nice and let me run apps properly on both machines |
| 23:50.17 | gimpy23 | Yea, I know about --no-remote but still....how did local know what I did remote? |
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| 23:51.08 | tremon | gimpy23: firefox looks for existing Firefox sessions. Since your X is tunneled, firefox is able to see your local instance |
| 23:51.11 | nvz | I only use a handful of programs.. heh.. and I make them do everything.. even stuff they're not probably meant to or best suited to do.. |
| 23:51.31 | nvz | so when I'm running apps from the desktop on multiple machines, they're gonna be a lot of the same apps.. heh |
| 23:51.42 | gimpy23 | tremon: I tripped that with obconf today and messed up my source machine. |
| 23:53.13 | nvz | I mean if its just not gonna work, I can either install an OS on a hdd to have the apps I need on these laptops, or just make the image I'm pxe booting have more features.. heh |
| 23:53.17 | tremon | nvz: I have no suggestions, I tunnel only apps that I can't run locally |
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| 23:53.31 | nvz | currently I'm just booting parted magic which doesnt have vlc or such for me to just access my files over nfs |
| 23:53.41 | nvz | hell it probably doesnt even have nfs.. idk |
| 23:54.06 | vaillor | i need to create an https proxy server |
| 23:54.44 | nvz | d-i and parted magic are simple to setup .. and thats all I got on my pxe server currently.. nothing more like a full featured desktop os |
| 23:55.06 | nvz | that gets into being a lot of work to setup a pxe boot with remot nfs mounted dirs and crap |
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| 23:55.55 | gimpy23 | nvz: I only mess with PXE with beowulf but I assume you can change the boot image/scripts to mount whatever you like. |
| 23:57.19 | gimpy23 | tremon: My screen hasn't turned off since your .xsessionrc trick. |
| 23:57.43 | nvz | gimpy23: yeah I'd like to make my pxe server more adcanced.. right now its just a simple boot menu to install debian or boot parted magic |
| 23:57.49 | gimpy23 | tremon: Though now I have a title bar on xbmc.....fix one problem, create another. |
| 23:58.17 | nvz | in other news if I were paranoid I'd think someone is fuckin with me |
| 23:58.39 | gimpy23 | nvz: I see, so you would have to have to build a custom image (I also work with Cluster Rocks which does that but haven't built an image myself). |
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| 23:58.56 | nvz | cause when iCarly entered, I just so happened to have iCarly playing in vlc.. and went to hit next, and now its erroring again showing no video playback |
| 23:59.14 | nvz | could just be a coincidence.. heh |
| 23:59.25 | nvz | but I never seen anyone with that nick in here before |
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